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From: mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu ()
Subject: Re: TCBY and crabs
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 09:11:19 EDT

In article <1992Jul21.031109.23722@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.163332.17757@newstand.syr.edu> mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu writes:
>>to the foods as they're digested that's the problem.  Isn't this
>>true with alcohal, which is sugar free but bad for diabetics?
>
>I'm frankly ignorant about the effect of alcohol on blood sugar
>in diabetics, but you're absolutely right about some starches.
>A food's _glycemic index_ is an indication of the effect it can
>have on blood sugar levels in diabetic individuals (with the
>following caveats: the food is taken fasting, on an empty stomach.
>In the context of a meal, all predictions are off.)  It has been
>found that certain "complex carbohydrates" like potatoes
>seem to raise blood sugar levels as high as simple sugars.

Yup, that exactly what I'd understood to be true!  Thanks.
>
>The point when it comes to potatoes or concentrated fruit juice
>or whatever is that such datapoints are of interest to diabetics,
>but not to a large majority of otherwise healthy individuals.
>There are some hypoglycemics who exhibit an exaggerated insulin
>response to an elevated blood sugar, but not as many as think
>they do. :-/

Absolutely...but the blood sugar problems described by Covert Bailey,
ie you're burning sugar 'cause you're not efficient at burning fat,
is a different response than  an "exaggerated insulin response",
right?  What you're describing can't be controlled by exercise but
what Bailey describes can (and should...).  I ask about this 'cause
I used to get really shaky and light headed if I hadn't eaten in
several hours.  I find it happens less and less now that I've been
eating healthier and exercising (but I've only lost 1 lb in the
past 3 WW weigh ins :( Bummer!).



>
>
>-- 
>Steve Dyer
 
Margot

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From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Cool recipe for very low-fat dessert
Date: 29 Jul 92 06:34:55 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

I just made this. It is good, but I am hoping someone will use their
program to tell us the calorie and fat content!!! It is very low, but
the actual numbers would be nice!

Fruit coffee cake

1/2 c. non-fat cottage cheese
1/2 c. skim milk
1 Tblsp oil
1/4 c. honey ( I used maple syrup. it worked fine)

Blend the ingredients above in a blender and pour into bowl.

In another bowl mix: 

1 1/4 cups flour ( I used whole wheat)
2 tsp baking powder

pour the two together and mix until a thick batter is formed ( it will
be thick!)

Pat into a 8 X 8 cake pan that has been sprayed with Pam or something
similiar.


Topping:

2 cups of peaches,apples,pears or berries (sliced or chopped)
2-4 Tblsp all fruit spread ( I used orange marmalade-type spread)
some maple syrup
Cinnamon

Mix fruit and fruit spread, put on top of cake batter. Sprinkle
cinnamon generously on top and then drizzle a few Tblspoons of maple
syrup over all.

Bake at 350 for 25 -30 minutes.


I used strawberries and peaches. YUM!
From: abascal@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Liana B. Abascal)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: muffins!
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:38:15 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

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For anyone planning to flame the muffins:

Hello?  SOME of us appreciate the recipes and SOME of us are on diets
(no sorry, life time habit changes) where we can eat what ever we want.
Heck, I could go and eat a Twinkie (I hate them, but a good example) and
still be on my WW diet as long as I count those calories into my optional
for the week.  It would not be recommended that I eat a Twinkie, but I
could if I wanted to.

Flour?  Sugar?  You have got to be kidding.  Don't most people eat bread
while on a diet anyway?  Last time I checked these ingredients were in
there too (maybe less sugar) but flour, yup, it's there.

I was very happy for the recipe becuase it doesn't have butter or some
other oil in it - it shows that it is possible to make good things with
out a lot of fat.

Everyone CHILL!  Just don't make the recipe if you don't want.  Please
don't stop people from posting something that may be benificial to
others; we are here to help eachother.
    Happy dieting!
               Liana
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From: mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu ()
Subject: optifast again
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 12:02:30 EDT

I was talking to my friend, M., who is doing Optifast.  She's
quite discouraged because of her slow loss.  The first week she
lost 7 lbs, next 5 and this week 1.6!  I'm beginning to wonder about
something.  They tell you not to exercise, yet she's been riding
her bike (stationary) about 5 days/week for 20+ mins.  Since
its not possible to lose more than 2 lbs a week of fat (is this a
generally accepted number?  If not, what is?)  I wonder if
they tell them NOT to exercise so that they will show a greater
loss (muscle)?  Does that make any sense?  

I mean, would you show a smaller loss on the same caloric
intake if you were building muscle than if you were very
sedentary?  Any ideas on this?

Margot

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Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: fran@Cadence.COM (Fran Peterson)
Subject: Re: need help getting back on track
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:43:22 GMT

In article <3642@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> jsl+@pitt.edu (John S Lundberg) writes:


>
>I was discussing motivational problems with a friend and he claimed 
>that quitting smoking was easier than losing weight because one simply
>can't give up eating. 

I'm a smoker and a life-time dieter.  I can tell you it's a lot easier
to quit smoking than to loss X number of lbs.  I've send this several
times to people.  It's nice to hear it from someone else out there.

TX

F [:)

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: fran@Cadence.COM (Fran Peterson)
Subject: Diet Pep 
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:15:34 GMT



Has anyone heard of a product called Diet Pep.  Suppose to curb
the appetite and boost energy?

I've seen it in several health food stores and asked mine if I
could copy the ingredients down.  

It contains concentrated extracts from  Ma Huand and Kola Nut,
plus Siberian Ginseng, Pugongying, Zingiber, Gymnema Sylestre,
Pullulan, and Kelp.

Also, have seen another product in health food stores refered to
as Dieter's Tea. There's no explantion or info on the box and
it's to expensive to buy just to read the info inside, if there
is any.


Any feedback or experience with any of these two items?

Thanks,

"Think Slim - Be Slim"

"I like myself unconditionally"

F [:)

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From: lgold@callahans.Cadence.COM (Lynn Gold)
Subject: Re: sugar and blood glucose levels
Organization: /mnt4/lgold/.organization
	<1992Jul21.031109.23722@spdcc.com>
	<1992Jul22.160834.6873@inmet.camb.inmet.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1992 08:16:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.160834.6873@inmet.camb.inmet.com> mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.031109.23722@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>>The point when it comes to potatoes or concentrated fruit juice
>>or whatever is that such datapoints are of interest to diabetics,
>>but not to a large majority of otherwise healthy individuals.
>>There are some hypoglycemics who exhibit an exaggerated insulin
>>response to an elevated blood sugar, but not as many as think
>>they do. :-/

>How do we know this?  Do most labs test insulin levels when they do
>a blood gluclose test, or do they test glucose only?  The point
>that the insulin-resistant camp is making is that these exaggerated
>insulin levels do not affect the glucose normally, so if only glucose
>is checked, that might appear normal.

I've had some generic bloodwork done, and they have only checked sugar
and not insulin levels.  I've come out within what they call "normal"
range, yet I exhibit all the classic signs of hypoglycemia.  

When I do the pin-prick test to get my blood sugar level, about 75% of
the time I'm fatigued, my blood sugar level seems to reflect it and
sits near 20 or 40.  I've never seen my blood sugar level go above
120.  In spite of this, the endocrinologist I was sent to claimed my
hypoglycemia was in my head, and that exercise would cure my symptoms.

Well, suffice it to say that exercise isn't making a dent in my
symptoms.  If anything, it's aggravating them a bit.  I'm doing
aerobic (NOT anaerobic) exercise several days a week (at least three)
for at least 1/2 hour duration (usually an hour, though).

The internist my health plan sent me to also wants to believe it's in
my head and more or less forced me to lie that I was having no more
symptoms so she wouldn't tell the DMV to take away my driver's
license.

Neither has sent me for a) a glucose tolerance test or b) insulin tests.
I'm convinced if they tested me for insulin levels, they'd find something.
What do I do (other than get another doctor)?  How do I convince the
doctors that I'm not making this up?

Thanks,

--Lynn

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From: tlr@penguins.East.Sun.COM (Tammy Roncadori - Administrator Sun Washington D.C.)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Carob
Summary: Olives
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:12:45 GMT
Reply-To: tlr@penguins.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: penguins.east.sun.com


Are all olives high in fat?  I thought all olives were high in fat but was told last night
that black olives aren't.  Any truth?


Thank you --


Tammy
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: shores@hiatt.unx.sas.com (Veronica Shores)
Subject: Re: Taste for Pepsi
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:00:21 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

In article <1992Jul20.194254.6323@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <19920720112245CSMSCST@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> CSMSCST@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Chris Thomas) writes:
>>>Here lately I've had the "desire" to have a Pepsi a day.  I've lost a pound!!!
>>>Seven more to go to my goal.  I can't seem to shake the Pepsi thing.  I
>>>drink LOTS of water and have a pretty low fat diet.  Any suggestions?
>>
>>Try making yourself pour 1/2 the can down the drain before you start
>>it.  That will at least cut the calories from 150 to 75.  Then, you
>>might try replacing the 1/2 you discard with cold water.

  Instead of pouring half down the drain, just pour some in your glass and
  put the rest in the refrigerator for the next day!

>
>Or seltzer.  Even some of the seltzers flavored with essenses.
>

This idea has really helped me.  I love pepsi and several years ago in a
weight watcher meeting I asked for help on controling my need for pepsis!
The leader suggested making a drink of pepsi and plain seltzer (or soda
water).  She told me to start out at a ratio of 1/3 seltzer to 2/3 pepsi
and try to get to a 1/2 to 1/2 ratio.  Now, I can't stand to drink a pepsi
without the seltzer added (it's way too sweet to me now without the seltzer).

A friend of mine does the same thing, but since she is bothered by the extra
fizz that the seltzer adds to the pepsi, she uses plain water.

I also drink the caffeine free variety. Also, make sure the seltzer is 
fat and calorie free.  Some of the flavored varieties have a lot of calories
from suger!

-- 

                     | "Well, I used to think that I had some duty;
Veronica L. Shores   |  Now I only want the booty"
(shores@unx.sas.com) |                      --  John Hiatt
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Caffeine
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:31:45 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.153548.28309@inmet.camb.inmet.com> mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:
>>Awhile back I read something on here about people giving up caffeine
>>while dieting. What is the reason for this? 
>Because caffeine is supposedly a diuretic and an appetite stimulant.  The
>liquid diet I was on was no caffeine (although, don't tell--I cheated :-).

Caffeine is a weak diuretic.  Its evil actions in this respect are
grossly overemphasized by the new Puritans of dieting.  As for its
efficacy as an appetite stimulant, I would not have thought to call
it that, and I'm not aware of any evidence that this is the case.
It doesn't seem to suppress appetite, however.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Caffeine
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 03:26:36 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.202957.9191@microsoft.com> frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) writes:
>Weak diuretic though it be, and it's true that a pot of
>chamomile tea is decidedly more dehydrating than a pot of
>coffee, coffee is also a laxative as I'm sure anyone who's
>gone off coffee will testify. When I'm actively dieting, the
>number of b.m.'s goes way down for me even with drinking a
>couple of doppio lattes a day. I see this as a definite
>problem, both in terms of being comfortable and in terms of
>long term health (colonic cancer is what I'm thinking about
>here). By drinking coffee every day, I'm effectively taking
>a laxative every day, something the docs tell people not to
>do, and become laxative-dependent to some varying extent. Of
>course, if I give up coffee, my system will eventually
>adjust, but by that time I will have lost my job (I took up
>coffee-drinking after five years of herb tea and Postum au
>lait when I came here to work).

I've always wondered why coffee wasn't more notorious as having a
laxative effect, because I find that it works remarkably reliably and
repeatedly, but then I like my coffee extremely strong, and usually a
dark roast.  I won't say that caffeine is absolutely uninvolved here,
but I suspect strongly that the difference comes primarily from the
quantity and quality of the aromatic oils, which have a stimulant
effect on the motility of the colon.  Here's a thought experiment: when
you drink weak office dishwater coffee, does it have the same effect on
you?  I don't think it does for me.  And for that matter, caffeine
pills (not that I take them often at all) don't seem to have the same
effect on me.

As for bulk-during-dieting and worries around "regularity" (gad, what a
word) and colon cancer, Metamucil or generic psyllium is handy, if
you're not getting it some other way like through grains, fruits and
vegetables.  Such preparations are sometimes called "laxatives" but
they're simply added bulk and don't cause dependence.


-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Subject: Re: support!
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 19:33:03 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.182631.21870@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, abascal@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Liana B. Abascal) writes:
|> Received: by comm.Tandem.COM (5.52.1/2.D)
|>         id AA4921; 23 Jul 92 11:25:19 -0700
|> Date: 23 Jul 92 11:10:00 -0700
|> From: ABASCAL_LIANA@tandem.com
|> Message-Id: <199207231125.AA4921@comm.Tandem.COM>
|> To: abascal@cory.berkeley.edu
|> 
|>   Margot,
|>      Keep up the good work!  Don't get discouraged!  I'm having the same
|> problem - I lost 5 pounds in 5 weeks on WW (a slow rate but at least it
|> is coming off - I have to weigh in today and I have a feeling that I am
|> staying at the same weight).  My problem is that I don't have that much
|> to lose - about 10 more pounds is my goal.  So I pretty much started in
|> the place where most people start slowing down.  Let's try and support
|> each other.
|>   I think everyone can use extra support anyway.
|>        Happy dieting,
|>                 Liana

When I got discouraged over *very* small losses, someone pointed out
to me that if I'm eating right and exercising (so most of what I'm losing
is actually fat, not just water and lean tissue) and lose only 3 
lbs/month - less than 1 lb/week - I was losing the equivalent of the 
contents of a 3-lb can of Crisco in a month.  That made me feel much 
better, 'cause a can of Crisco contains a LOT of fat!

Hang in there and think of how much "Crisco" you're losing off your body!

Jan
From: hitzeman@cs.rochester.edu (Janet Hitzeman)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: snack ideas
Date: 25 Jul 92 17:57:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester

WARNING: THIS ARTICLE DISCUSSES FOOD.












In the book "Food Cop" I found a marvelous list of low-cal snacks
available in health food stores.  --My best success w/ diets
has come when rather than denying myself my favorite foods I
find low-cal substitutes and just restrict my intake of 'em.
My latest discovery is a brand called "Barbara's", which is
not only low-cal but tastes good too.  My favorite is her
cheese-puffs, which are baked rather than fried and much cheaper
than the Slim Fast version (which I haven't tasted).  Barbara's
contain bleu cheese and another cheese, I think cheddar, and
not only are they great, but they satisfy my craving w/o
tipping the scales the wrong way.

Another snack I've used successfully in the past is
Jello pudding pops, which satisfy my craving for chocolate
at 90 calories a pop.
From: sm@space.mit.edu (Sherry Modestino)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: recipe: Dannon muffins
Date: 28 Jul 92 04:24:59 GMT
Reply-To: sm@space.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Center for Space Research
Originator: sm@space

I see nothing particularly diet-deathly with this recipe... If you
use no-fat yogurt there is NO fat and anything edible with no fat in it
is certainly something worthwhile in old a.s.d.  Yes, there are more
calories than a piece of fruit, but it depends where you place this in 
your daily intake... as part of breakfast, it would be fine!


and, since i'm on the soapbox, the previously mentioned "pie", if made
judiciously (low or no fat everything, and very little of anything with
fat) would also fit into a dieter's lifestyle occasionally....

okay, here's one that I like...

take an angel-food cake (no fat!), ice very lightly with low-fat
Cool Whip, and cover with fruit (bananas and strawberries wok nicely,
but other combinations would probably do so as well)...if you are not
heavy handed with the Cool Whip, this is an almost fat-free dessert that
tastes great...

okay, my turn to be flamed now

.
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: aivano@condor.ycc.yale.edu (Sandy Aivano)
Subject: Re: Support Needed!
Organization: Yale Computer Center (YCC)
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:46:07 EDT

In article <1992Jul22.170838.94701@cs.cmu.edu>, jennie+@cs.cmu.edu (Jennifer Kay) writes:

>So, some questions for the group. First I'd like to second the question I just
>read: any yo-yo dieters out there who have finally succeeded in losing the
>weight and keeping it off? It'd be great to hear your story!  ...  Or just
>post if you had a weight problem for a long time and finally managed to lose
>the weight. 

Jennie,

I had a serious eating problem for at least 12 years.  I solved it over 9 
years ago and have maintained a normal weight (5'4", 120lbs) since then. 

I could never manage to diet successfully for longer than about 3 days.  I was
on a constant (unsuccessful) diet for 12 years. Those years were a constant
replay of this scenario:  resolve to diet, diet successfully for 1-2 days,
binge for 1 day, resolve to diet and this time really mean it, etc., etc.  I
found that my ability to control my eating got worse over the years, despite my
sincere attempts to diet. At the end, I resorted to using laxatives and forced
vomiting to try to control my weight.

I tried MANY! techniques to control my eating without success.   I thought
about food constantly.  I knew the calories of everything and was constantly
figuring out calories or feeling guilty about how many calories I had eaten. 
Dieting seemed like a simple matter for some people.  After all it is a simple
concept - you just eat fewer calories than your body needs each day.  But I
couldn't seem to do that.  Despite all my seemingly sincere resolutions, I was
unable to stop overeating for any significant length of time.

Here's how I managed to lose the weight permanently: For me overeating was the
result of obsession about food.  I would have unwanted thoughts about eating
that I could not banish from my mind by will power. I might be reading,
working, driving in my car, or watching TV, and would begin to think about
food.  The obsession was the result of an illness which centered in my mind,
and which I no longer had power over. No matter how firm my resolve to diet had
been that morning, I was compelled to act on these food thoughts.  

My food obsession was relieved by working the 12 Step Program of Recovery
described in the book Alcoholics Anonymous. When I was no longer obsessed with
food and no longer compelled by thoughts to overeat, I could eat normal
quantities without difficulty or any sense of deprivation. 

I NEVER EVER believed that I could get the "food monkey" off my back.  I
believed that I would struggle with food for the rest of my life.  But now I
have not binged in over 9 years. I no longer have to fight with food, and I
maintain my weight easily.  It helps me to try to help others with this 
problem. So anybody who thinks they might be a compulsive eater and wants to
solve the problem permanently is welcome to send email to me.

Sandy    
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Subject: Re: Hypnosis - Personal Experience (long)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 23:41:09 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Jul29.171859.28760@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ab5y@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Ann Bailey) writes:
  First there are differents kinds.  The tapes
>that you listen to before falling asleep are subliminal tapes.  These
>tapes usually have the sound of the ocean (sounds that are relaxing or
>soothing) playing and then in the background (you're not supposed to
>hear this) suggestions (for me: relax, be confident, calm, & collected, etc.)
>are made to the sub-concious.

Hi Ann,

Just wanted to clarify that the tapes I was describing were not
subliminal. They are called" guided imagery" type of hypnosis. I had
no luck whatsoever with subliminal tapes!

robbie
>
>Ann
>ab5y@virginia.edu