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From: jeremy@lion.inmos.co.uk (Jeremy Thorp)
Subject: Re: Oznews, 29th of August, 1992.
Organization: INMOS Limited, Bristol, UK
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:24:23 GMT

In article <moorerr.170.715304198@msu.edu>, moorerr@msu.edu (richard r. moore) writes:
|> In article <8369@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au> brad@winnie.cs.adelaide.edu.au (Brad Alexander ) writes:
|> >From: brad@winnie.cs.adelaide.edu.au (Brad Alexander )
|> >Subject: Oznews, 29th of August, 1992.
|> >Date: 30 Aug 92 04:26:27 GMT
|> 
|> 
|> >"Daintree road upgrade"- Brisbane: Premier Wayne Goss has promised to
|> >upgrade the controversial costal road through the Daintree rainforest in
|> >far North Queensland.
|> >  Mr Goss yesterday announced a $6.8 million project to convert the
|> >unsealed track to a major tourist route.
|> >---------
|> 
|> >Brad Alexander.
|> 
|> Any information about where this road will go and when it will be completed?

I am writing as a Pom who saw (some of) the Daintree Track 3 or 4 weeks ago.

The road north from Cairns is sealed as far as the Daintree River (north of Port Douglas).
Beyond the river the road is unsealed. At a point just north of Cape Tribulation the
"Controversial Daintree Track", as it was dubbed by the coach company, starts, and goes 
up to Cooktown.

The track goes up and down like a yoyo, and is (or should be) for 4-wheel drives only
apparently. Normal vehicles, apparently find it hard work (impossible?) if it rains a little.

We visited the area on a one day (4-wheel drive) coach tour from Cairns. I have vague memories
of a TV program about the nasty clashes at the site of the road 
when protesters tried to stop the road being built.

The trees around the track are indeed rather covered in dust. As for the Barrier Reef, I don't
know. The coach driver (who did definitely NOT sound like a Green),
said that one of the original
arguments against the track was the runoff into the sea, and that this runoff didn't occur.
If he is right then there goes part of the argument for sealing the road.

We visited the rainforest information centre and were told some of the grim statistics.
Apparently a very large number of the plants/trees are dependent on a single bird, the
Casuary (sp?). The birds population has been depleted alarmingly recently, and the main
cause of this loss was, apparently, the birds being killed on be vehicles on the roads.

Upgrading the track to a full tourist road sounds like a bad move. And, of course, that
statement comes from a recent tourist to the area, and one who would love to come back and
see the rainforest again (if it has not been destroyed :-()

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: phjm@fairfax.com (Phillip Merrick)
Subject: Re: enquiry for job opportunities in australia.
Organization: Fairfax Software Corp., Fairfax VA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:21:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.021000.8402@mailhost.ocs.mq.edu.au> s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA) writes:
>In article <holdensj.53@BusLab.cba.ufl.edu> holdensj@BusLab.cba.ufl.edu (STEPHEN J HOLDEN) writes:
>|In article <21AUG92.11095856@enh.nist.gov> raghu@enh.nist.gov writes:
>|
>|>I am looking for any info you might be able to give on companies in 
>|>the oil industry that will be interested in hiring process engineers.  
>|>The person interested in this info is an australian green card holder and 
>|                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|
>|he is, is he?  i have never even heard of an ozzie green card.  is it
>|a work permit?  any idea how he got it?  i know many people who would
>|like to know how to get permission to work in australia
>|
>|stephen
>
>There is no such thing as green card in Oz. There was a proposal to 
>introduce one about five years ago, but Aussies were united against 
>it. If you want to get permission to work in Oz, you have to apply
>for a work visa or residency visa.

I think the proposal to which you refer was for a national identity card,
and had little or nothing to do with immigration. A U.S. "green card" (which
incidentally is no longer green) is roughly equivalent to an Australian
residency visa.
-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: torda@igc.ethz.ch (Andrew Torda)
Subject: Greiner (Was : What's happening in Victorian and Federal politics)
Organization: Computational Chemistry, ETH, Zuerich
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 07:15:13 GMT

In article <dyfl.714971075@munagin> dyfl@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Daniel Y Lam) writes:
[... lots deleted...]
>This makes the Liberals sound better than they really are.  I have
>grave doubts as to how much resolve they have to carry out an
>extensive privatization programme.  Greiner promised privatiztion
>too; what's he done in NSW?  For once, I hope you're right.
[...]

For the benefit of those of us out of town, could you tell us,
What has Greiner managed to sell off ?
-Andrew
-- 

Andrew Torda, Computational Chemistry, ETH, Zurich, torda@igc.ethz.ch
From: bcockburn@acorn.co.uk (Bruce Cockburn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: "Waltzing Matilda" lyrics??
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:06:29 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

People,

  The copy of Waltzing Matilda I have is in the Australian Scout Song Book. 
It contains two versions, the first is the 'normal version' and it is noted
at the bottom that "The words of 'Waltzing Matilda' by A. B. (Banjo)
Paterson have been reproduced by permission of the copyright proprietor." 
An authoritative version IMHO.

    Once a jolly swagman camped by a billabong,
    Under the shade of a coolibah tree,
    And he sang as he watched and waited till his billy boiled,
    "You'll come a-waltzing Matilda with me."

    *Chorus:*
      "Waltzing Matilda, waltzing Matilda,
      You'll come a-waltzing Matilda  with me;
      And he sang as he watched and waited till his billy boiled,
      You'll come a-waltzing Matilda with me."

      (Substitute third line of verse in each chorus.)

    Down came a jumbuck to drink at that billabong,
    Up jumped the swagman and grabbed him with glee;
    And he sang as he shoved that jumbuck in his tuckerbag,
    "You'll come a-waltzing Matilda with me."

    Up rode the squatter, mounted on his thoroughbred,
    Down came the troopers -- one, two, three;
    "Whose that jolly jumbuck you've got in your tuckerbag?"
    You'll come a-waltzing Matilda with me.

    Up jumped the swagman and sprang into the billabong,
    "You'll never catch me alive ", said he;
    And his ghost may be heard as you pass by that billabong,
    You'll come a-waltzing Matilda with me.


  The second version is refered to as the 'Queensland version' and has not
acknowledgment of copyright.

    O there once was a swagman camped in a billabong,
    Under the shade of a coolibah tree,
    And he sang as he looked at his old billy boiling,
    "Who'll come a-waltzing Matilda with me?"

    *Chorus:*
    Who'll come a-waltzing Matilda, my darling?
    Who'll come a-waltzing Matilda with me?
    Waltzing Matilda and leading a waterbag --
    Who'll come a-waltzing Matilda with me?

    Down came a jumbuck to drink at the waterhole,
    Up jumped the swagman and grabbed him with glee;
    And he sang as he stowed him away in his tuckerbag,
    "You'll come a-waltzing Matilda with me."

    Down came the squatter a-riding his thoroughbred;
    Down came the policemen -- one, two, three.
    "Whose is the jumbuck you've got in the tuckerbag?
    You'll come a-waltzing Matilda with me."

    But the swagman he up and he jumped in the waterhole,
    Drowning himself by the coolibah tree;
    And his ghost may be heard as it sings in the billabong
    "Who'll come a-waltzing Matilda with me?"

  If you're interested this book is available by mail order from the Sydney
Scout Shop price $2.65.  Call them on +61 2 7999640.

  Bruce.



Any views expressed are my own and are not necessarily those     _--_|\ 
of Acorn. Any factual information is given in good faith and    /      \
neither I, nor Acorn can accept liability for loss or damage    \_.--._/
resulting from its use.                                               v
From: 02h@oasys.dt.navy.mil (CDR Fred C. Wyse)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: National Anthem lyrics
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:44:23 GMT
Reply-To: 02h@oasys.dt.navy.mil (CDR Fred C. Wyse)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In soc.culture.australian, cbs@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Syed) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.073215.15590@syacus.acus.oz.au> steven@syacus.acus.oz.au
>(Steven Malikoff) writes:
>>:
>>: Australians all let us rejoice, for we are young and free;
>>              ^^^
>>When we first had to sing this in school in the early 70's, it started
>>'Australia's Sons...'.
>>Not quite sure when it was surreptitiously replaced, but I guess it goes
			     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>along ok.
>
>  I wonder if AA was changed during the Gough Whitlam years? That would make
>  it before '75... I believe it was his counterpart (in many ways) P.E.
>  Trudeau that the Canadian lyrics were being fought over...

While I lived in Australia from 1983-1986, Prime Minister Hawke declared
"Advance Australia Fair" as the national anthem to be played instead of "God
Save the Queen" ('cept when royalty was present).  At that time, the
"official" lyrics were prescribed, and they included the _neutering_
of "sons".

I recall that the first time "AAF" was played (at a Coral Sea Celebration
in 1985/1986?), there was considerable tittering and muttering from
the audience.  Seemed to me that that crowd would have preferred "GSTQ".
Maybe it was just the newness.  "AAF" seems to be a lovely national
anthem; certainly more musical than the Star Spangled Banner!  8-)!!!

					    Sincerely,
					    Fred Wyse
From: michael@vk2bea.UUCP (Michael G. Katzmann)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Sydney Harbour Tunnel
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:56:06 GMT
Reply-To: michael@vk2bea.UUCP (Michael G. Katzmann)
Organization: Broadcast Sports Technology, Crofton. Maryland.

In article <miw.714896444@cc.uq.oz.au> miw@cc.uq.oz.au (Mark I. Williams) writes:
 >michael@vk2bea.UUCP (Michael G. Katzmann) writes:
 >> >the oxygen-poor environment. In addition, cracks can be repaired if they
 >> >get too big. 
 >
 >>There are a few people in Chicago who might not agree with you!  I think
 >>it would be better to repair the cracks BEFORE they get too big!
 >
 >The chicago tunnel didn't flood because of corrosion. Didn't somebody
 >drive a pylon into a tunnel?
 >

Yes, a crack appeared after some pylons were sunk into the chicago river.
The cracks were discovered, but there was quibbling about who would pay
the < $100G to fix the problem. It went from committee to committee for
a while, whilst the cracks got bigger and bigger. Now its estimated
the bill will be in the 100s of millions!

-- 
Michael Katzmann	  >	Broadcast Sports Technology Inc.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~	 <	Crofton, Maryland. U.S.A
Amateur Radio Stations:   >
NV3Z / VK2BEA / G4NYV	 <	opel!vk2bea!michael@uunet.uu.net
From: brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: USA Agricultural Subsidies
Date: 4 Sep 92 04:01:02 GMT

George Bush has recently announced an expansion of the agricultural Export
Enhancement Program (EEP) to US$3 billion.  This action is expected to cost
Australia's efficient and unsubsidised farmers up to A$750 million in lost
export earnings.

It's fascinating to think that the USA, the land of the free market and free
enterprise, sees nothing wrong with agrarian socialism.  It looks as though
the USA believes that distortion of market forces and increased agricultural
production unrelated to demand (in a time of falling commodity prices) is
what capitalism is all about.

Why not go the whole way, George, and instead of subsidising your apparently
inefficient farmers, just pay them a salary unrelated to their production and
efficiency?  Then you could have agrarian communism in the land of the free.
That'd be a neat little paradox you could get a few votes with.

I hope the American farmers drown in their own sea of overproduction, because
the USA economy won't be far behind if this sort of subsidy of inefficient
industries continues.  Same goes for the EEC!

There, I feel much better now.
-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: miw@cc.uq.oz.au (Mark I. Williams)
Subject: Re: "Waltzing Matilda" lyrics??
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:09:22 GMT

rowlands@ra.csc.ti.com (Jon Rowlands) writes:

>I was told once that Michael Jackson has some sort of copyright on
>this song. It's almost certainly not true, but it's a nice idea
>anyway. Fits in well with the way he looks more and more like
>Rolf Harris as time passes. He still has a ways to go, though,
>before he's that Bad.


You should hear the Tom Waits version. It's a real scream.

cheers,


--
Mark Williams         The University of Queensland       miw@cc.uq.edu.au
+61 7 36 54012   (w)  Prentice Centre
+61 7 36 54477  (fax) Qld 4072  Australia
Nullum magnum ingenium sine mixtura dementiae fuit.  -- Seneca
From: nsp00@ccc.amdahl.com (Nigel S Pope)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Oznews, 29th of August, 1992.
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:52:54 GMT
Reply-To: nsp00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Nigel S Pope)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Sep1.164744.25706@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> barth@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barth.richards) writes:
>
>In article <20p002Ih20pB01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> nsp00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Nigel S Pope) writes:
>
>>"This here's the Wattle, the symbol of our land.  You can stick it
>                              ^^^^^^
>                              emblem
>
>> in a bottle, or you can hold it in your hand."  (MP - Circa 1970)


It all depends on what book that you take the quote from.

I took the quote from 'MONTY PYTHON, All the Words, Volume 1.' and it 
states 'symbol'.

Anyway, how 'bout reposting the OZNews from August 29th for us poor expats
over here in the Good Old US of A.

Thnks.


-- 
nsp00@juts.amdahl.com: 'All opinions mine - Not my employers...so there'

"This here's the Wattle, the symbol of our land.  You can stick it
 in a bottle, or you can hold it in your hand."  (MP - Circa 1970)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Japanese Imports
From: brownt1@lincoln.ac.nz
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:41:05 +1200

In article <1992Aug30.180551.21472@leland.Stanford.EDU>, davidnz@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Richard Bell) writes:
> 
> I fail to see the logic in a recent posting about Japanese imports that stated
> that these cars are somehow contributing to lower safety levels on the 
> roads in NZ. The influx of imports has dramatically *lowered* the average
> age of cars on the road. Surely newer cars are "better", safer, and more
> fuel efficient than the wrecks that used to populate our roads.

it's not quite that simple.  japanese cars are designed for japanese 
conditions, which in many cases means creep along a 40k in a traffic jam 
and throw it away when the ash-tray gets full.

cars assembled here and in australia are more likely to allow for the fact 
that it will sometimes be required to cruise along at 120k for a couple of 
hundred k's.

while concerns about fuel efficiency of older cars are quite valid, bear 
in mind that if we weren't buying their cars the japanese would probably 
be dumping them every 3 years, and 1 car adds up to a lot of pollution 
during construction.

Cheers -tb
----------------------------------------------------------------------
     Terry Brown, INTERNET brownt1@lincoln.ac.nz, 
                  UUCP     tb@tbnode.equinox.gen.nz,
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: 19 September referendum
From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 08:31:45 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <1992Sep3.020154.21901@cs.aukuni.ac.nz> cwes1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Clare West) writes:
> Michael.Norrish@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Michael Norrish) writes:
> >
> >ii) the party doesn't have the monopoly on power that is implied by
> >    the fact that parties specify party lists.
> 
> I would once have thought this a problem but have you noticed that
> most MPs are elected on the basis of the party which they represent
> rather than on their own merits? This means that the current selection
> of MPs iis largely down to what candidates the pary puts forward in
> safe seats. MMP just makes this more open and up front than it is
> right now. Under MMP it is possible to vote against your 'preferred'
> party in the local vote - if you don't like their candidate or
> whatever and still vote for them in the national vote. A big
> improvement I think.
> 
> (Someone please tell me If I'm interpreting MMP wrong!)
> 

You have it right.
 
Steve
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Good on you
From: moselecw@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (C.W. Moseley)
Date: 1 Sep 92 11:09:35 +1200
Distribution: world
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Canterbury, New Zealand

 ct@dde.dk (Claus Tondering) writes:
> Could someone please explain the New Zealand/Australian expression
> "Good on you!"?
> 
> Does it mean: "Something good happened to you" (i.e. you were fortunate)?
> Does it mean: "You did something good" (i.e. you were clever)?

generally the latter. Mostly a male bonding thing, frequently followed
by `mate'. Almost an archaism now? Mind you, I don't really have many
male friends who do the `mate' thing. It's more associated with the 
rugby culture, I think.

MOZ
From: Bill Bennett <billy@sideways.welly.gen.nz>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: car prices and need advice
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 21:51:56 +1200
Organization: Sideways Bulletin Board, Lower Hutt, New Zealand

tfarmer@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Farmer) writes:

> The reason that we can get second-hand Japanese cars cheaply is
> because their system is set up to encourage buying new cars. This is
> done through increasingly expensive 'roadworthiness checks'. We don't
> get the cars that fail - we get the cars that it isn't worth to check
> because the fee is so high!
> 
> 
> 
That's not the whole story. New Zealand is the only first world country 
with slack enough safty laws to allow thse cars in. (at least that's what 
I was told by the deputy head of the MOT at a party earlier in the year). 
He is convinced this has something to do with the extremely high road 
toll in NZ.
 
I'm not so sure about that, but even East Germans don't buy second hand 
Jap imports.
 
I think there's something in that for all of us. %-)
 
Bill Bennett
** Someone who hasn't yet discovered how to write those funny bits at the
** end of messages.
From: Michael.Witbrock@cs.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: NZ news to 29 August
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:18:10 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

> Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.new-zealand: 4-Sep-92 NZ news to 29
> August Alan C. Operations@csc.c (7625)

>  The storm, billed as the worst natural disaster for decades, caused
> havoc throughout the region. 
....
> Christchurch residents awoke to 10-30cm of snow in the city with deeper
> drifts in the suburbs. 

Look, I don't like to sound mean or anything, but that's hilarious.  If
10cm of snow is the worst natural disaster in decades, then ChCh must
indeed be the idyll I remember,
From: andy@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Bond)
Subject: snow in Dargaville
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.
X-Mailer: mail-news 4.0
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 06:28:14 GMT


Well that's what someone on the radio just said ... no snow in
Wellington yet but I'll keep an eye out :-).

andy
From: smk1@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Dame Cath Tizard and Paul Theroux
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:17:14 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1684C13383.CHEGERH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>, CHEGERH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>    I was in Singapore recently when there was an article in the Straits
> Times (the local paper there) about Paul Theroux's latest book - Happy
> Isles of Ocenia.  Apparantly he wrote some rather uncouth and uncalled-
> for comments about Dame Cath Tizard.
>    He wrote : 'Dame Cath had an odd, coarse way of eating.  She scraped
> food on her fork, but before she heaved it she nudged more onto the fork
> with her thumb. And after she ate the forkful she licked her thumb.'
>    'Once I caught her grinning at me but she was not grinning. She was
> trying to dislodge a bit of food that had found its way between her teeth,
> and still talking to me and grinning, she began to pick her teeth.'
>    'Having freed the food from her teeth, she glanced at it and pushed it
> into her mouth.'
>    This seems to be the sort of cheap journalism that Paul Theroux and
> most other American writers are capable of writing when they visit
> places they consider 'less developed' than the U.S.  Paul Theroux's book
> certainly reveals more of himself than he may have realised.
>    I am not sure if anyone has brought this up in this net during my absence.
> However,  such literary sleaze should not be tolerated.
>  
> Gerald Cheang
> Dept of Statistics
> Yale University
>  
> Disclaimer : My views do not necessary reflect that of Yale University.

Dear Gerald,

It's Summer and Anna here, we were fascinated with your comments, firstly
Dame Cath is not as described by Paul Theroux. Mr Theroux irritates us
because he is but a mere travel writer, but likes to write with the
authority of an anthropologist. As post-graduate students of Soc Anthro
we think that his work is very superficial and that unfortunately Joe
Public read his works and this only serves to compound stereotypes and
ethnocentric biases. It is unfortunate that American journalists think that
the rest of the world should be as 'civilised' as they are.

I have read and reviewed the book for our university newspaper and think it
is cute but there is better literature out there.

Regards,   S & A.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: spleong@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Leong Siew-Peng)
Subject: Looking for someone
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:22:13 GMT

	Hi!  I'm trying to locate this friend of mine who is in
Auckland.  His name is LEON HO.  I'm not very sure which uni he goes to
but I think he is studying some computer stuff and should be in his
second year now.  What are the unis there?  Or the nearest to
Birkenhead.
	Thank you for reading this...