HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes)
Subject: Re: gayfolk and cats
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:01:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.040446.8575@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>What *I'd* like to know is not what it is about gay people and cats, but
>what it is about cat people and cat litter boxes?  You go to some people's
>houses, you have to share the same damn bathroom with their cat(s), and
>they don't even empty the box on a timely basis.  Do they just stop being
>able to smell the stench, or do they just come to love it?  It's revolting.
>How would Miss Manners handle this, other than refusing future invitations?
   
   You just know the wrong people, Steve, something I've always suspected.
   Most cat people I know are pretty fastidious about their cat litter.
   (But you're right, it *is* revolting.)

>In article <1992Nov18.235035.22755@rigel.econ.uga.edu> hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes) writes:
>>  Same here.  We have ten cats; fortunately we also have 30 acres for
>>  them to get lost in.
>
>I can't imagine a better place for them.
>
  Neither can I.  To top off the eccentricity, I'm fairly allergic
  to cats myself.

  Wayne
From: dise@decoy.uoregon.edu (David Casti)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: COLORADO: Addresses
Date: 22 Nov 92 19:37:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntp.1992Nov22.193707.28394
Reply-To: dise@oregon.uoregon.edu
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services

Hi,

Can someone email me the latest list of who to write in Colorado?  I would  
like to post it on the friendly BBSes here in Oregon.

Thanks,
David.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor)
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Organization: University of North Carolina
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:45:31 GMT



In article <qPRHuB2w165w@ailanth.UUCP> ailanth!ailsa@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov15.162201.11450@wixer.cactus.org>, lazarus@wixer.ca
>> (Michael Lax) writes:

>> |> Some of us think he's a hunk, others think he's white trash.

>> Some of us think he's both.

>and, of course, some of us wouldn't recognize him if we ran into him
>on the street, and wouldn't notice him even if we recognized him.
>*yawn*


some of us even had to ask our roomates who the hell he is 


season, off to ask her roomate yet another strange question




-- 
                     ____  
Season Taylor        \  / "thought i knew my mind/like the back of my hand/
czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu\/   the gold in the rainbow/nothing panned out as i
(yes, as in the 4)         planned"   --indigo girls
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Inconsistency re CO boycott
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:50:53 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <17933@autodesk.COM>, owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley) wrote:

[about Andersonianism]
 
> I am astonished that you can write this about someone else.
> I've watched you fill this newsgroup with the official 
> Anderson line for a few years now, and have also watched you
> heap your special brand of creamed scorn on those who dare to think
> aloud outside of your accpted gnorm.
> Oh, you are always so sincere in expressing that the offendors
> must be morons though. 

[example of Andersonianism...]
 
> > You think all the self-righteousness is out here, huh?
> 
> another gem!

Oh, bless you, bless you, bless you.  

Can I call you Alistaire Rowley?

*X*
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tzs@carson.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Subject: Schedule Conflict
Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 12:05:04 GMT

I see on the soc.motss Secret Homosexual Conspiracy Mailing-list Calendar
that my shift for posting pro child-molestation stuff to annoy Clayton
Cramer is coming up.

Due to an oversight on my part, I have a conflict then.  Thursday, I'm
supposed to be cruising the local elementary school to find boys to
convert, and Friday I'm supposed to be stuffing letters for the
"Release Jeffrey Dahmer" effort, so I need to ask someone else
to handle my shift here.  Gene?  Jess?

Thanks in Advance,
--Tim Smith
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: larry@bradley.bradley.edu (L. D. Stratton)
Subject: Dracula/Kenau/Winona
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 14:38:04 GMT

   One of the worst movies of all time, Drac was saved by Winona, a 
   truly beautiful woman.  Kenau, poor boy, had better start showing
   some skin.  His acting (ha, ha, ha) is never going to get him
   anywhere.

   What is it with Francis Ford?  Mr. C hasn't made a decent movie in
   eons.
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Mouse Balls
Date: 15 Nov 92 19:46:19 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Nov15.075742.11730@microsoft.com>, georgere@microsoft.com
(George V. Reilly) wrote:

> Omigod, Melanoma: the beast with (at least) two heads.
> So much for two heads are better than one.

But certainly better than none...

*X*
From: hwt@bcarh11a.BNR.CA (Henry Troup)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: MOTSS pix
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:37:06 GMT
Reply-To: Henry.Troup@BNR.CA
Distribution: world
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada


|>>>ursa-major.s    up 8338 days, 14:57,    load average: 0.27, 1.17, 3.37
|>
|>>What about that, Steve, have you had it up since you were 14?
|>>8338 days is 22.8 years!
|>
|>Is this a UNIX machine?  If so you need a commemorative plaque, 'cause
|>at 22.8 years the last down time would have had to have been in early 1970.

Methinks that the installed kernel ( /vmunix) is not the running kernel
and the boot time pointer points at zeros - the epoch being 1 January 1970.

Motss relevance: minimal.
                      
Henry Troup - H.Troup@BNR.CA (Canada) - BNR owns but does not share my opinions
	"It's a good thing we don't get all the government we pay for."
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Size of LGB Vote
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 23:10:29 GMT


In article <1992Nov16.200709.10905@gordian.com>
mike@gordian.com (Michael A.  Thomas) writes:

>In article <1992Nov16.183905.25643@macc.wisc.edu>,
>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>> A few hundred well-chosen phone calls and a very well
>> designed questionnaire instrument can indeed tell you a lot
>> about any population you want to look at.  

By "any population" I meant "any population."

>>You can, if you
>>work at it, determine within about three percent how many
>>closeted gay men buy "green" toilet paper or any other
>>cockamamie statistic you want.  Randomizing the sample is
>>not difficult, but the questionnaire is *really* tough.

>I might buy this for uncloseted, but *closeted*?

The example was far-fetched to underscore "any."  The added
difficulties appear in devising the instrument, I think.

<> What's the point of self-restraint if you can get someone
<> else to do it *for* you?
<> -- Roger Klorese (rogerk@unpc.queernet.org)
-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
From: black@lester.sybase.com (Chris Black)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Combined Federal Campaign
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:54:01 GMT

In article <5NOV92.16500234@enh.nist.gov>, aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
|> To federal employees:
|> 
|> It is time once again for the Combined Federal Campaign.  Given recent
|> events, this could be very important.  You can have part of your
|> salary deducted as a contribution to the following organizations.
|> All you need to do is fill out your CFC card and turn it in the
|> the proper person.
|> 
|> #1026  Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund (212)995-8585
|> #1093  New Ways Ministry  -  A ministry for LGB Catholics (301)227-5674
|> #1292  National Center for Lesbian Rights (415)621-0674
|> #1214  Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (202)638-4200

I'd like to put in a word for the National Center for Lesbian Rights.
They provided us with a lot of our best info/ammo in our successful
fight for partner benefits at Sybase. 

-- Chris
black@sybase.com
Xref: sparky soc.motss:48377 alt.politics.homosexuality:7382 co.politics:2195 co.general:1858 talk.politics.misc:60804 co.politics.amend2.discuss:71 boulder.general:1074
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: what to do in holland?
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:10:25 GMT

> tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen) writes:
>Anyone have any must-sees/dos for Amsterdam or Utrecht?...

I'd say FJ!! falls into both categories.
-- 
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From: raffin@fhr.ma30.bull.com (Patrick Raffin)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Queers in military in other countries???
Summary: In France
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:10:52 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Bull HN Information Systems Inc.

My boyfriend is currently doing his Service National, he is gay (!),
he does not show it because he has gay officers and I'm jealous !

All the reasons given by the US military to not lift their ban on gays/lesbians
seem completely irrelevant to me.

--
Patrick RAFFIN, raffin@fhr.bull.com 
  __       Just a French tourist,
  \/       doesn't speak English, nor Unix
From: jaw@castle.ed.ac.uk (Graeme Wood)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: MOTSS pix again
Keywords: pix pictures gif
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:33:00 GMT
Organization: Distributed Unix Support, Edinburgh University Computing Service

I have redone all the montages of the pictures on ursa-major.  The new files
are available from ftp.ucs.ed.ac.uk in /pub/images/motss.new. The old gifs 
have been removed.

The directory contents a 18 sets of three files.  The three files are:

	a table of contents
	a montage gif file
	a compressed encapsulated PostScript file containing a greyscale image of
	the gif file 

The files are called:

	1.contents
	1.gif
	1.ps.Z
	2.contents
	2.gif
	2.ps.Z
	...etc..etc...

The images are not necessarily in alphabetic order so you really need to fetch
the contents files to find out which gifs you want.  However, they are much
better laid out with 25 pictures to each page.  This seemed to give a reasonable
balance between legibility and compression.

Enjoy.

Graeme
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
From: chuck@fourier.ssd.kodak.com (Charles S. Collins 726-9461)
Subject: Re: Some sad news from Colorado
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 16:24:44 GMT

In article <13260@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>
>Is [Janie Spahr] the lesbian pastor that admitted that she filed a false 
>police report in San Francisco about being attacked by homophobes?
>That she made the whole thing up to get sympathy for the cause?
>

No.


-- 
Chuck Collins				Product Software Engineering
chuck@pixel.kodak.com			Eastman Kodak Company
(716)726-9461				901 Elmgrove Road
					Rochester, NY  14653-5811
From: jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Bear Crap
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:03:01 GMT
Organization: 3L Ltd, 86/92 Causewayside, Edinburgh EH9 1PY, UK

In article <1992Nov19.235841.38769@slate.mines.colorado.edu>,
htran@slate.mines.colorado.edu (Harry Tran) writes:

> "Hey, rabbit!  When you take a dump, does the shit stick to your
> fur?"
> "Well no," replied the rabbit, "I don't have that problem."
> "Good.", snarled the bear, who reached behind him, scooped up
> the rabbit with his paw, wiped his ass with it and flung it
> back down the hole.

Myuh, excuse me for moment, if you will.

I am, I confess, a little perplexed.  Clearly, the bear's
wiping of his arse had as its objective the removal of the
shit from that region.  Yet, if shit does not stick to the
rabbit's fur, what use would it be for that purpose? It
would appear, would it not, that the rabbit's pelt would
merely skid over the shit deposits, leaving them in situ. 
It is possible, I feel certain some will point out, that the
bear relies upon the greater adhesiveness of his own shit
vis-a-vis the rabbit's; in which case, I fear, the relevance
of the parable escapes me.

It is, of course, possible that my primary premiss is wrong,
and that the bear does *not*, in fact, intend or wish to
remove the shit from his arse; that he wishes rather to
consolidate the deposit, as it were, and employed the rabbit
to effect this *precisely*because* of its fur's lack of
adhesiveness.  In which case, although the parable makes
sense, the, aha! yes!, the sense does not make sense, one
might say.  Yes. 

I would therefore suggest that the parable should be, let
us say, retold as follows:

> "Hey, rabbit!  When you take a dump, does the shit stick to your
> fur?"
# "I fear that is indeed the case," replied the rabbit.  "It
# is a cause of not inconsiderable annoyance, I admit."
> "Good.", snarled the bear, who reached behind him, scooped up
> the rabbit with his paw, wiped his ass with it and flung it
> back down the hole.

--John
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: What Gay Sex (was Re: How Many Homosexuals?)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 19:30:07 GMT


In article <102165@bu.edu> kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young
Star) writes:

>au.toch.tho.nous \o.-'ta:k-th*-n*s\ \-ne-\ aj : INDIGENOUS, NATIVE - 
>   au.toch.tho.nous.ly av

Further clues:

Thesaurus:
autochthonous  adj
   syn    NATIVE 2, aboriginal, endemic, indigenous
   con    alien, extraneous, extrinsic, foreign; imported, introduced
   ant    naturalized

>I must say, Jess, you've been waxing Paglian lately!

I can plead innocent, still not having read word of that
worthy's material.  I saw a TV interview, though.

>Are you an Appolonian or a Dionysian?

Yes, Apollonian or Dionysian, that's me, all right.  More
seriously, both/and.  Very Dionysian about some things, very
Apollonian about others, somewhere between about most
things.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Ugly
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:35:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.151556.8993@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca writes:
|George Dalton Madison writes:
|>  This simply isn't true.  _HONCHO_ has done a couple of
|>  "bear" oriented issues...

|So, are we MARGINILIZED, or NOT???

You're not, George is.  
--
           Hate is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado

       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks)
Subject: Re: Military info needed
Organization: Not yet, but we're working on it...
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:30:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.193451.19287@PacBell.COM>, rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:

>You have to remember that these generals and admirals --
>Powell, Crowe, Schwarzkopf -- are not in the business of
>implementing or even supporting social justice.  Their job is 
>to maintain an effective and cohesive military.  Decisions
>like integrating the military racially, allowing women to
>serve in combat roles and overturning the ban on gays and
>lesbians are *political* decisions, all of which were or
>are "prejudicial to good order and discipline."  The generals
>wouldn't be doing their job if they supported these changes.

I never thought about it this way before.  Actually, though,
I think it has more to do with age.  Society's values change
over time.  Personal values rarely change to any great extent.

>The question is not whether opening the military to out gays
>and lesbians would hurt it in some way -- plainly it would
>(will) to some extent *in*the*short-term*.  

I'm not so sure it's that "plain."  The military is already
crammed with homosexuals.  A great many of them, regardless
of what they think, are not as hidden as they'd like to be.
Everyone I worked with just assumed I was queer.  They were
right.  I never had a single problem.  The real problem is
with the Generals and other high ranking officials that 
can't admit to having homosexuals already.  

When the ban is lifted you wont see thousands of uniformed
queers popping out of the closets.  You wont see gay pride
marches down the center of the base.  You wont see pink 
triangles on M-16s.  What you will see is a military that
looks very much the same as it does now.

As for the UCMJ sodomy laws... fooey.  They also have a
law that forbids sex out of marriage and adultery.  Get
real.  


Right now, homosexuality is the #1 tool used to kick women
out of the military.


Shawn

From: gum@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Arnold Gum)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:13:03 GMT
Subject: Thanks/Psych?/G'bye
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: soc.motss

Motssers:

Thank you all for your friendly support over the last two years or so.  I'd
have never made it out without you.  Jess: thanks for patiently explaining 
things over the phone that one night a very long time ago.  It seems I'll 
be leaving techno-weenie-dom to pursue a career in psych/counseling.
It seemed the most meaningful way for me to help the community through some
real hard times.  Hence, I'll probably be signing off the air somewhere around
Christmas.  Meanwhile, if someone has opinions on a top notch, family friendly,
school for a PhD in Clinical Psych, please let me know.  I can be reached at:

Home: (303) 221-3781
Work: (303) 229-3656
EMail: arnold@hpcndaw.cnd.hp.com (for now anyhow)

Caringly yours (from Sunny but biggotted Colorado),

Arnold (Gum)

PS
Yes, 2 passing was a real shock to all of us in Ft Collins as well.  At least
the City of Fort Collins, Denver, Boulder, and Aspen voted it down within
their cities.
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Nationwide lesbigay political organization
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:43:03 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, kingdon@east-wind.org (Jim Kingdon) wrote:
> 
>The main difference between the Task Force and HRCF (as far as I can
>tell) is that the Task Force takes all kinds of additional stands, for
>example, against racism and sexism and opposing the Gulf War.  

The major difference is that NGLTF is 501(c)3 (tax exempt educational
organization) and HRCF is a PAC (political organization).  Their
offices, I believe, are down the hall from each other, and their
work complements each other.

Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu

Hate, bigotry, and discrimination are not family values, even in
Colorado and Tampa.
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Can anyone tell me about this TV show?
Keywords: Are You Being Served?
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:37:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Nov17.013714.8532
Organization: insert anything here

thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:

>>fascinated by it at first, but now it's quite a yawner, with the notable
>>exception of the excitement brought to me by the constantly changing
>>hair color of one character "Mrs Slocombe".

>Note to hair queens: go to a drug store and find colored mousse.
>It's fab! I was introduced to it this weekend as I was getting
>ready to go out at my friend Wendy's house. 2 minutes and I had
>a lovely copper woop in the front. I was exstatic all night.

	Hair mousse has electro-magnetic properties?????  Who'd've 
thought it!

>John, thinking Nelson would be smashing as a redhead

	Hon Nelson would be smashing no matter which color he chose
out of the Crayola box...  Then again so would you.

	Now what I'm waiting for is someone to make a good plaid hair
color...

BBC
thinking that John could do a great rainbow flag with his hair for GP day...
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: discrimination at CMU
Date: 16 Nov 1992 13:19:25 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Nov16.195358.15986@oracle.us.oracle.com> 
schiles@us.oracle.com writes:

> I've known and worked with *lots* of effiminate actors and there has
> been and always will be roles for them.  Not necessarily "leading man"
> roles, but characters roles in abundance.  I've seen some delicious,
> quirky, and wonderful performances by effiminate actors, and the theater
> would be a sadder place indeed if the drama schools began to turn out
> homogenized leading men.  

Absolutely my feelings on the matter, too.  But I know one
of the principles in this case, and the facts that have been
presented so far are partial at best and do not take into
consideration a whole host of other issues having to do
with the change in adminstration that occured at the time 
and the unwillingness of a number of students to adjust
to a restructured program.

Arne
From: tdober@llnl.gov (TDO)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Fundamentalists and the clitoris
Date: 19 Nov 92 03:26:52 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: llnl

In article <1992Nov16.183813.19959@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>,
gsmith@clio.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith) wrote:

> In article <9NOV92.11344298@enh.nist.gov> aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:

> >In sexual-education, the clitoris does not exist.  It cannot be shown,
> >and it cannot be mentioned.

> When I was in high school, I heard a lot of the usual boasting from
> boys who "made out" last night.  One day we were dissecting a fetal
> pig, and we got to the clitoris.  I was astonished to discover that my
> lab partner did not know what the clitoris was or did, and ever after
> listened to all that talk with a lot more scepticism.

Gene, did you *really* think that the average male high school student
knows or cares anything about pleasing his (female) sexual partners? I have
the distinct impression that the vast majority of them are mostly if not
exclusively concerned with their own satisfaction.* They may really have
been as sexually active as they claimed, and still been completely clueless
about women's sexual responses. I pity their partners, who probably thought
there was something wrong with *them* that they weren't having more fun.


* based on no concrete evidence whatsoever, so I could be completely wrong.

>      Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University 


TDO
--
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Pain, like time, is going to come on regardless. Question is, what glorious
moments can you win from life in addition to the pain? -- Lois McMaster
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