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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 08:39:08 -0400 
From: "James J. Murawski" <jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Islanders Front Office Rumour: Torrie Out? (Was: Bowman: my 2 cents)
	<1992Aug15.170754.990@news.columbia.edu>


On 15-Aug-92 in Islanders Front Office Rumo..
user Gary L Dare@cunixb.cc.co writes:
>The Islanders might be making him a better offer ... news is that
>the new ownership is on the verge of announcing the dismissal of
>Bill Torrie as General Manager, with Dan Maloney taking the helm
>and Bryan Trottier coming back to The Island to be groomed for a
>future executive position.

I heard on the radio this morning that Trottier will become Vice President
of the Islanders.

====================================================================
    Jim Murawski
    Sr. Data Base Analyst               (412) 268-2650  [office]
    Administrative Systems              (412) 268-6868  [fax]
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Adams division Analysis and Predictions
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:07:53 GMT

In article <Bt8rq7.KDq@acsu.buffalo.edu> micbrian@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (MAD MAX - THE ROAD WARRIOR) writes:
>
>>There is enough talent on the Sabres to make the playoffs. Goaltending
>>should be helped by the addition of Hasek. (Although admittedly the
>>Sabres already had several goaltenders who can play great when
>>healthy and properly motivated.)
>
>Only partially agreed here.  Clint Malarchuk has been exceptional in Buffalo.
>However, his obessive disorder screwed up his season last year.  A recovery
>from this and some time in goal should return him to form.  Puppa and Draper
>are something else.  Puppa has floated through the past two seasons, and
>is destined to be traded.  Draper is solid, but as backup only.  He's just
>not a #1 goalie.  Hasek is #1 right now, no matter what the Sabres say.
>It's his job to lose.  Look for Draper to back him up, Puppa to be sent
>packing, and maybe even Malarchuk to be moved.
>

Malarchuk was a loser in Quebec, a loser in Washington, and a loser
in Buffalo...how many more teams does he have to lose playoff series
for before people realize this.  Puppa and Malarchuk are 5 and 6 on
the depth chart...Hasek, Draper, Littman, and Ketterer (if he has
signed) should be the goaltenders...the Sabres will go nowhere with
Puppa or Malarchuk...and you can bet on that.

Gerald
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Marc Foster)
Subject: OKC get the real thing!!!
Keywords: YESYESYESYES!!!!!
Organization: University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:27:27 GMT


Oilers vs. Islanders: December 13, 7:30PM at the Myriad in OKC.

There is a God.

Tickets aren't on sale yet, but will run from $12 to $35.

I guess the OKC people really had to sell it to Stein, because I
never expected to get a game here. Dallas yes, OKC hell no.
I do feel sorry for Seattle and Houston, though.  I think they 
should have gotten a game each.

Now, if only this game wasn't on the Sunday of Finals Week...

Marc
From: PORTIGAL_STEVE@tandem.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Rebound -- valid hockey term or not?
Date: 13 Aug 1992 19:40:02 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Simple question, yes or no. Trying to resolve a small debate.

thanks,

steve portigal
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From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Subject: Dek Hockey rulebook?
Keywords: Where to find
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:25:17 GMT

Does such a thing as a Dek Hockey rulebook exist?  And if so, can someone
give me advice on how to get one?  I tried the local book stores and sporting
good stores without success.   (I haven't tried Rupp's yet.)  Would contacting
Mylec be a good idea?

If no book exists, could someone who knows the rules either send them to me
via e-mail or surface mail?  I'll pay surface mail postage.


Thanks in advance,
Lori


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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Bowman says No!(USA Today WAS wrong!)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 00:30:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.214003.12501@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>Bowman was really asking for a token difference, and the Pens wouldn't
>oblige...what a team...what a way to treat a person who stepped into
>the breach like he did last year.

I'll take a perhaps unpopular stand: the Pens should *not* hire Bowman as
coach.  Just because he was successful in last year's playoffs doesn't
change the fact that there were serious problems between Bowman and the
team during the regular season.  They shouldn't fool around like this,
either, but I think they should move Bowman back where he was, and hire
somebody else as coach.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com



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From: gjl@phx.mcd.mot.com (George Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Any city with more leagues in it?
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:50:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.115043.8737@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes:
>
>Has there been another city, besides Cleveland, which has had so teams
>in as many existing pro leagues?
>
>Check this out:
>
>AHL - Cleveland Barons
>IHL - Cleveland Lumberjacks
>NHL - Cleveland Barons
>WHA - Cleveland Crusaders (Well, the WHA is carried on in spirit by NYI
>and Quebec.  (-:)
>
>I guess that means we can get the teams, but we can lose them too!
>-- 
>Eric Rickin (ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu)
>University of Michigan Class of 1996
>East Quad - Cooley

Phoenix Roadrunners  WHL, WHA, CHL, PHL, IHL

Could the NHL be around the corner?

*******************************************************************************
When I asked a Chinese Malay if he was going to give blood for a Blood Drive 
he said:
"What is inside a Chinaman should stay inside a Chinaman....
                               .....Unless there's money to be made from it!"
Ditto for Motorola's opinions!

George James Lloyd 
Motorola Microcomputer Division
2900 S. Diablo Way       DW234
Tempe AZ 85282
********************************************************************************
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From: mgreen@cs.toronto.edu (Marc Green)
Subject: re: Bowman Says No!(USA Today WAS wrong!)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:52:18 GMT

>From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)

>Now it's my turn to say Amen.  I haven't trusted that guy from day one.  I
>think all his wonderful talk is just that...talk.  The only big plans he has
>for the Penguins is to gut the team of talent, unload it, and take the money
>and run.

This, of course, contrasts with the rational behavior of losing
millions of dollars in a market too small to support a team in the
time of escalating salaries. Jesus, some people are really generous
with other people's money.

Don't blame Baldwin for the current situation. The blame for all this
falls squarely on McNall and and especially Caron, who changed the
economics of hockey.

Marc Green
Trent University



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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: NHL in the Olympics
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:25:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.061639.21942@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>
>If, as time is already indicating, Detroit made a bad deal in trading Johan
>Garpenlov for Bob McGill, that takes nothing away from Murray's great
>efforts in rebuilding the Red Wings into a power.  You don't have to, like
>you are doing with Sather, try to defend the Garpenlov deal in order to
>portray Murray as a perfect trade-maker.
>

Bryan Murray inherited a team which had already drafted great players...
Fedorov, Konstantinov, Lidstom, Cheveldae, etc. are choices that 
pre-date Murray...it remains to be seen how good a GM Murray is...he
is a good coach, however, (but who overcoaches in the playoffs).

>You have yet to answer my assertion that Sather's greatness comes more from
>deals like the Carson deal, the Damphousse deal, and the Kurri deal, and *not*
>from the deals like the Gretzky deal or the Messier deal.
>

You judge a person by wins and losses...the Carson deal was not possible
without the Gretzky deal...its not clear that Carson wouldn't have lived
up to his potential in Edmonton...it matters not however.

Sather's reputation comes from different things at different times...
from his great drafts initially, then from coaching via a Canadiens
style skating offense, and now from timing trades of aging stars for
younger talent, and for winning on a limited budget, not overpaying
players...loyalty and deference to the people he hires to do their
jobs.  The NHL was also turning back to an obcessive defensive game,
and he basically went against the conventional wisdom, and transformed
the mindset of the league about how the game should be played.

Gerald
From: veikko@vipunen.hut.fi (Vesa J Pyyluoma)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Hawks-Jets Trade
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:40:35 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

In article <1992Aug10.205705.8403@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb) writes:

 > Well, the other shoe dropped this afternoon, as the Blackhawks traded just-
 > acquired goaltender Stephen Beauregard to the Winnipeg Jets for center
 > Christian Ruutu.

 > According to you netters, this is the other half of the trade that will
 > benefit the Hawks. I hope Ruutu becomes that playmaker forward we're
 > looking for, or the Hawks will be in trouble again.

Tough luck, Ruuttu is a first-class penalty killer and a solid
defensive forward, but he didn't really prosper as a creative
playmaker in Sabres.  But then again that could have just been his
role in the team.

cheers,

Vesa J Pyyluoma		veikko@vipunen.hut.fi		DoD# 200h
Avionics rules!				 Helsinki Univ. of Tech, Finland

P|rr p|rrrr p||||rrrr ........................................... XV535!
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From: stefano@hal.astro.uiuc.edu (Stefano Casertano)
Subject: Re: TEAMS TO WATCH (Sabres - better watch quickly)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:03:23 GMT

In <Bsy2ro.MyD@acsu.buffalo.edu> v057p7nk@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Andrew W Korbut) writes:

< omissis >

>Hey, Matt, I have to commend you for being a B's fan who isn't looking at the
>hockey world through Black-N-Gold glasses.  Many amusing, and more importantly,
>accurate comments (or is that vice versa?).  I salute you, raising a Sam
>Adams lager in tribute...

Isn't that the famous Boston beer that's really made in Pittsburgh by the
Pittsburgh Brewing Company or some such?

Just a question... think about the hockey implications...

Stefano Casertano
stefano@sirius.astro.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Oilers upset over Neutral Site games (was Re: OKC get the real thing!!)
Keywords: YESYESYESYES!!!!!
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:19:49 GMT


Ooops, I must be loosing my mind... I made a mistake in my previous posting...

allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) writes:

>According to the Edmonton Journal, the Oilers are upset over
>the selection of their Neutral site games... They play one
>in Oklahoma City, and another in Clevland. Neither site fits
>in well with their travel plans, and the Oilers and the
>Canadiens are the only two teams who don't play at least
>one Neutral Site game in Canada.

That should be, 'the only two CANADIAN teams who don't play
at least one neutral site game in Canada.'

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (roger maynard)
Subject: Re: John Kordic (Toronto Star Article)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:53:39 GMT

In <1992Aug13.153419.3507@trentu.ca> pyacm@trentu.ca (A Colin Morton) writes:

>In article <92Aug13.091527edt.47897@neat.cs.toronto.edu> mgreen@cs.toronto.edu (Marc Green) writes:

>>[...] Kordic was a cement-brained, illiterate, thug. He is
>>best known for sneaking up on Keith Acton, a player half his size, and

agreed.  I remember hearing about the time he challenged Allen Bester!
Of course, I don't know for sure that it is true..

>>too much. If the NHL should be crticized, it should only be for
>>employing such people in the first place.

agreed.  Employing Kordic and the other cement-heads legitimizes violence.
The only time Kordic received approval was when 16,000 people cheered as
he hammered somebody.  What a rush.  And imagine the feeling he would
get when he was booed for acting in an otherwise civilized manner.

>Excuse me -- addiction is an illness, and if the NHL were truly
>major-league, they would have a substance abuse program in place.  Of
>course, Kordic could have also found help for himself, but he failed,

Many familiar with the problems of addictive personalities feel that the
only hope an addict has is to find help for himself.  The best thing the
NHL could have done, for it's own image and most importantly, for the
good of John Kordic, would have been to turn it's back on Kordic.  That
is the only way to let these guys know that their behaviour is not 
acceptable to society.  Witness MLBB and Steve Howe.

>self-destructed.  Everyone knew it was coming; it was just a question of
>when.

Hardly.  Most of these guys end up with huge beer-bellies, a rotting liver
and a bunch of stories that nobody wants to hear twice.

>By the way Marc, us Trent folks are supposed to be compassionate,
>liberal radical types.  You're destroying that image.  Keep up the good
>work (no sarcasm intended).

I went to Trent as well.  Briefly, in 1973.  Peter Robinson College.  Is 
that right? 

rm

-- 
roger maynard                    
91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca 
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: NHL in the Olympics
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:49:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.135716.1@abo.fi> mlindroos@abo.fi writes:
>I'm 100% for an "open" Olympic tournament, despite the problems. It will
>help the NHL in the States, CBS & co. reportedly have been building their 
>coverage of the Olympics around the hockey tournament since Lake Placid'80.
>Too bad many of the playing sites (like Lillehammer in 1994) aren't "hockey 
>markets" in the first place. A separate World Cup (with games in North America 
>and the big European nations) might make more sense, but you do what is best 
>for the NHL. And let's not forget that IIHF (not NHL) rules will aply this 
>time. No question we Europeans will have an edge:-)  
>

There wouldn't be any more TV money available in Canada for the NHL
in the Olympics...CBC already had a Stanley Cup final type of
audience...2 million plus at 9 AM on a Sunday morning to watch
the final between Canada and the Unified Team last year...you can't
get better than that, and you can't get more money from US TV unless
you are already famous...for the American audience, it doesn't really
make any difference if it is Wayne Gretzky or Ray LeBlanc, since
most of them don't know the difference between Wayne Gretzky or
Ray LeBlanc.

The NHL in the Olympics, I predict, won't happen, because basically
there is no money in it and a lot of the players aren't going to
be interested...and any money there is will go to the IOC mostly
and not to the NHL or NHLPA.

The NHL is going to take real NHL games to Europe eventually with
neutral site games as a prelude to expansion, and this makes
infinitely more sense than the NHL in the Olympics.  

The collective hysteria about NBA Dream Team kitsch will collapse
under the weight of fiscal reality.  The NBA has kitsch to sell...
which it did, the NHL doesn't...and that is actually a good thing. 

Gerald

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From: bui@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (BUI/DON/MR)
Subject: Re: 1994 Olympic teams?
Organization: EE Lab, McGill University EE Lab, Montreal
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 20:26:20 GMT

In article <9208120235.AA07748@booth.usask.ca> 832989@BOOTH.USASK.CA (Glenn Chin) writes:
>USA	K. Stevens	J. Roenick	M. Modano 
>	T. Granato	P. LaFontaine	E. Olczyk
>	Kevin Miller	C. Janney	B. Hull
>	Kelly Miller	R. Wood		Doug Brown
>					T. Amonte
>
>		B. Leetch	E. Weinrich
>		P. Housley	A. Iafrate
>		G. Suter	K. Hatcher
>				C. Chelios/D. Hatcher
>
>			M. Richter
>			J. Vanbiesbrouck
>			T. Barrasso
>
>- A fast team with lots of offence; team defence a question mark.
>- Not many proven winners.
>

Scott Lachance will be on this team.  Guys like Weight, Donato and Donatelli
are going to press for a spot too, I don't know about Wood or Brown.

>
>CANADA	J. Sakic	M. Lemieux	R. Tocchet
>	L. Robitaille	W. Gretzky	E. Lindros
>	D. Hawerchuk	M. Messier	C. Neely/R. Courtnall
>	G. Roberts	D. Gilmour	T. Fleury
>			B. Sutter
>
>		S. Smith	A. MacInnis
>		S. Stevens	E. Desjardins
>		D. Manson	J. Patrick
>		M. Tinordi
>
>			B. Ranford
>			P. Roy
>			S. Burke
>
>- A balanced team with lots of experience (too old?), but may need more speed to
>  keep up with the Russians.
>- Gretzky and Messier are essentially sentimental selections, since they will
>  both be 33 by the time the Lillehammer Games roll around.  The quality of the
>  competition precludes other sentimental choices such as Coffey and Bourque.
>

This ends up exactly like the Canada Cup team.  Lots will be changed: Courtnall
and Neely look finished; Roberts, Hawerchuk, Gilmour and Sutter will be old
men.  Manson, Tinordi over Coffey and Bourque?  Never.  Don't forget Belfour
in nets.
 
>RUSSIA	P. Bure		S. Fedorov	A. Mogilny
>	V. Kamensky	Via. Kozlov	A. Kovalev (NYR property)
>       +D. Khristich	A. Semak	V. Zelepukin
>	E. Davydov	A. Zhamnov(Win)	A. Kovalenko (Que)
>			S. Nemchinov
>+ born in Ukraine
>		I. Kravchuk	V. Malakhov (NYI)
>		A. Gusarov	M. Tatarinov
>		A. Zhitnik(LA)	V. Konstantinov
>				S. Zubov (NYR)
>
>			M. Shtalenkov
>			A. Trefilov (Cal)
>
>- A young team with a ton of speed up front, which will help on large ice.
>- Goaltending might be a question mark.

What a team up front !!!

                                                    - Don


Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: mitch@cirrus.com (Mitch Wright)
Subject: Sharks Draft picks
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: SJ Sharks
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 05:47:32 GMT

Could someone please forward me a copy of this years draft picks by the
San Jose Sharks.  Thanks.

   ~mitch

mitch@yahoo.cirrus.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: cs902117@ariel.yorku.ca (TONY D'ALFONSO)
Subject: Re: Bill Torrey??
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:59:27 GMT


Let me explain a few things to you Jerry...  

Yes LaFontaine was a spoiled little brat, but he is a superstar and the 
problem was he knew it, which caused him to be such a brat.  I have been
fed up with his antics, but if you put that aside, you must admire his skill.

As for reluctancy on Torrey's part to do trades then turning around and 
trading Sutter and LaFontaine, it was merely to make both players happy as 
they weren't with the situation in Long Island, and to make Torrey look like
he's doing something.  It wasn't a bad move though.

Trottier was always a thorn in the side of the Isles since he left as, as much
as he didn't become a top scorer for the entire NHL, he still had spirit - a
winning spirit.  He was the type of leader character that could help a team.
What happens?  Isles let him go on NO compensation, and he ends up winning 
two cups in Pittsburgh.  When Lemieux was out of the lineup, Trotts played a
BIG role for the Pens...
 
Anyways, gotta cut it short as I am being "called"...
 
    ____
     / o n y.
From: mgreen@cs.toronto.edu (Marc Green)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: re: John Kordic (Toronto Star Article)
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:22:57 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto


From: lange@reg.triumf.ca (QUANTUM PARTICLE: THE DREAMS OF WHICH STUFF IS MADE)

>Excuse me Marc, but you are way off the mark! As someone who know John, (Well,
>I knew his sister, but did meet him on several occassions), you're trirade
>smacks of bitter jealousy.  John was not a bad guy, 

Tell that to Keith Acton. 

>but he did have a LOT of problems.  

That was Kordic's fault, no one else's. 

>I agree with the article.  It's time that the NHL, and all sports
>leagues for that matter, got tough on substance abuse.

If the NHL were like any other business, he'd have been kicked out
long ago. Do you think GM would give a drunkard and trouble maker as
many chances as Kordic got? 

It's absurd to think that either business or society should be held
liable for every bit of vile behavior exhibited by some sociopath like
Kordic or for the consequences of that behavior. 

>A solid stance on substance abuse and a program to aid in recovery would be a
>nice testament to a troubled man whose life ended in tragedy.

Troubled man? Is that suppose to excuse the fact that he was a goon
and a thug? I know, Adolph Hitler had an unhappy childhood and Charles
Manson was too severely toilet trained. Save the pschobabble for your
next encounter group. 

Marc Green
Trent University
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan)
Subject: Re: NHL in the Olympics
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:58:11 GMT

vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad) writes:

>In article <allan.713558026@menaik> allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) writes:

>> Olympic hockey
>>would overshadow the other Olympic events and remove much-deserved
>>attention from deserving atheletes.

>Another true piece of NHL-style logic. Let me get it straight: you advocate
>not including the most popular sports into the Olympics because they "would
>overshadow the other Olympic events"? Thus, I presume, you suggest removing
>hockey, figure skating, speed skating, skiing from th eWinter Olympics so
>that the bobsled guys got their deserved atention?

No, the problem isn't with including hockey in the Olympics, its with
including stars in the Olympics. With an amature hockey team, people
would watch Olympic hockey because they liked it, or because the team
was doing well. Other people would watch figure skating, skiing, etc.

With a team of professionals, people would watch hockey only because
they have 'stars'.

>Also, given the fact that ice hockey is truly popular in only 7 or 8
>countries, why woul dit overshadow other Olympic sports?

Internationally, it wouldn't overshadow other sports, but if they had
professional hockey players in the Olympics, hockey would overshadow
the contribution of atheletes FROM COUNTRIES WHERE HOCKEY IS POPULAR!

Years from now, Canadians will probably still remember Elizibeth Manley.
But if the hockey team was stacked with professionals, they would
probably remember 'That great Olympic hockey team of 19XX'.
Manley? Who's that?