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From: dudley.chi@xerox.com (Tim Dudley)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Whats Mario's excuse this time?
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:18:11 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research

In article <1992Jul25.003202.2152@grebyn.com> dougw@grebyn.com (Doug
Worthington) writes:
>When was the last time you saw an open wheeel driver become so 
> intent on passing and/or not being passed that they would bump like the
> GOB's and use the walls to help throught the turns like Michael did
> with Paul Tracey?   

Villeneuve and Arnoux in the French GP, Mario Andretti and Carlos 
Reutemann in the Dutch Grand Prix, Villeneuve and Keke Rosberg in the
Mosport FAt races, Cogan and Rosberg in the Quebec City FAt races, etc, 
etc...

Tim
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: Magazines/papers for IndyCar
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:24:42 GMT

In article <346@rehab1.UUCP> dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein) writes:
>
>  Currently I receive "Winston Cup Scene" for good NASCAR information. Its
> a newspaper and comes every week. It covers all the race results along with
> news and rumors. Very good since the news is only 3-4 days old vs 3-4 months
> with a magazine.
>
>  Does any such item exist for the IndyCar/CART fan?
>
The only IndyCar-exclusive rag that I know of is "IndyCar Racing
Magazine", a monthly edited by Ned Wicker.  It's $29.00/year for
the 12 issues.  I get it through the show, but I'd say it's only
so-so.  Obviously, it's intention is to PROMOTE IndyCar Racing.
Lots of 'personality-type' articles without much meat to them, IMO.

I continue to rely heavily on National Speed Sport News, which of
course is a weekly.

-c'ball-

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From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: F1 Pick6: administrator's picks for German GP
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:36:37 GMT


To eliminate the chance of we Pick6 administrators fudging the results, here
are our picks for the upcoming German GP:

Player: Paul Winalski
1. Mansell
2. Patrese
3. Schumacher
4. Brundle
5. Berger
6. Hakkinen

Player:  John Francis
1. Mansell
2. Patrese
3. Schumacher
4. Brundle
5. Hakkinen
6. Herbert

Player: Spyros Potamianos
1. Mansell
2. Patrese
3. Schumacher
4. Senna
5. Brundle
6. Alesi
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: PITSTOP (7/21) Guests
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:47:54 GMT

Tonight's guests:

6:10-7pm(PDT):  Robby Gordon 
7:05-8pm(PDT):  Hurley Haywood

Caller phone # (503)733-5399

Thursday's show (so far):
8-9pm(PDT):  Doc Bundy
"  "   "  :  Don Kitch/Cass Whitehead
9-10pm(PDT): Parker Johnstone/Dan Marvin
(plus whomever else happens to wander by the lobby
of the Columbia River Red Lion)

And don't forget that TNN will be broadcasting live the
Inductions to the Motorsports Hall of Fame Wednesday night.

-cannonball-

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From: mclellan@maximillion.cp.mcc.com (David McLellan)
Subject: Re: WC Mfg's Points & Talladega Controversy
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Organization: MCC Corporate Computing
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:36:00 GMT

In article <tlm1.712288654@Ra.MsState.Edu>, tlm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Terry Matula) writes...
> 
>About Sunday's Talladega race...(spoilers ahead)
>
>I just saw a local news report showing that Sterling Marlin and his
>crew chief Mike Beam were very angry about Ricky Rudd's drafting of
>Ernie Irvan at the end of the race.  
> 
>IMHO, Rudd's action was acceptable.  I've seen stuff much more unfair.  

I agree, Terry.  It's easy to say that's racin' an leave it at that, 
but ... 

1) The three Ford drivers had no problems pitting together on the last 
two stops and leaving Ernie out on a lap by himself. 

2) Sterling Marlin - at the May Talledega race, the broadcast crew 
(ESPN?) commented that Sterling had left so many people hung out in 
the past that when he would need help to win a race, he might not get 
it.  It seems as if Sterling had a very good chance to catch and pass 
Irvan, if he had only hooked up with his teammate Elliott.  Just 
think, he could have caught Irvan and Elliott could have caught Rudd, 
helping both of them.  Why didn't they?  Who knows, except the teams 
involved.

Don't get me wrong, I like Marlin ( I like Irvan better, though)

It seemed like in the early part of the season, the Ford drivers were 
working together well and the GM drivers were not, as well as having 
horsepower problems.  Now, the Ford drivers don't seem to be working 
together as well as before.

just my opinion,

>Terry Matula
>tlm1@ra.msstate.edu
>matula@ee.msstate.edu

David
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From: fsp@westford.ccur.com (Fritz Pattison)
Subject: IMSA,  Times will tell ...
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp. Westford MA.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:25:05 GMT

	Not only are the IMSA boys beating, sometimes crushing
	last years CART records, but this years also ie PORTLAND.
	It will be interesting to see at the end of the season
	which series has more track records on common tracks.
	Laguna Seca, Portland, Road America, Mid-Ohio.  So far
	Portland goes to IMSA,  at Laguna the top 3 cars topped
	last years INDY car record.  It just goes to show ya it
	doesn't take a fat head and ego to be a fast race car
	driver. ;^)

			F.


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From: naze@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Daniel J Naze)
Subject: Re: IMSA,  Hate to burst the bubble ...
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 01:55:40 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.214905.5982@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>In article <1992Jul30.203027.6845@cbfsb.cb.att.com> kevinc@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (kevin.j.coulter) writes:
>>While I agree thats one of the problems, its the same for everyone.
>>Besides, they can do it at daytona and sebring, and at least at sebring,
>
>Yeah, but you've got to remember that these are endurance races of 24
>and 12 hours respectively, and not 1 or 2 hour sprint races (though I've
>seen a lot of guys think differently).  There's no way you could justify
>separate events for GTP/L and GTS/O/U in these cases.
>
>bob
>
  Starting in 1979, while IMSA still operated most events as endurance 
races, Road America held a 500 mile event.  GTX, GTP, GTO, GTU, all raced
at the same time, which was not a bad thing.  After a number of years at 
500 miles, the event was reduced to 500 kilometers and the classes were
separated.  Now, the event is timed and even shorter.  It's a shame because
I really liked the endurance aspect of the races, but now, with TV and the
desire to have a "good show", IMSA is mostly sprint races just like every
other major road racing series.

Dan Naze
From: b617zbb@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Misc. Weekend Ramblings
Date: 20 Jul 92 18:37:00 GMT
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In article <1992Jul20.171914.14494@ncube.com>
bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes...

>INDYCARS Toronto:  Great start (again) for MiAndretti.  Even my
>wife was impressed, and she's just a casual fan.  IMO, Carl Hogan
>had 
>no reason to complain about either the start or the pit incident
>between MiAndretti and Rahal.  I think Michael did a masterful job
>avoiding Rahal on the pit exit.  What else was he supposed to do?
>Mr. Penske must be down, down, down at the moment.
> 
You need to rewind your tape then and watch the start again. Not only was
Fittipaldi leading on the corner before the start, but, he actually had the
nerve to pull across Rahal's car as they passed over the start/finish line.
If that is not a rule infraction then they need to throw the rule book
away. You can't pass the leader before the start and you can't take his
line away before the start forcing him to drive in the grey stuff. This
was Hogan's beef about the start. Emmo balked Rahal at the start and then
held him up allowing Andretti to pass the both of them. As for the pit
lane incident, Andretti was supposed to slow down. Andretti had a slower
stop (by some 2 seconds) than Rahal. True he left his pit about a second
before Rahal, but, you are not supposed to pass a moving car in the pits,
it is unsporting and against the rules. Had Rahal not been slighly slowed
by a car pitting in front of him they would of crashed hard. I think, in
the season ending analysis, this result bodes well for Rahal. He and
Andretti have been lapping the field and he showed that he is as every
bit as fast as Andretti on road circuits (unlike last year when Andretti
blew him away) and perhaps a bit faster on ovals. One more win and seconds
at every other race and the championship is his.

George.
From: jjn@cbjjn.cb.att.com (Jeff Nappi)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: More IMSA Notes
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:10:17 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs

In article <1992Jul28.160327.3384@ncube.com>, bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:

As a IMSA fan I really appreciates Bob's updates on the races. I watched the 
race on ESPN and was amazed at how fast the Mazdas would scream through the 
turns but just didn't have the HP in the straights to get by anyone maybe the
new weight miniums next year will help. I was also amazed at how dominate the
Toyotas are, they just didn't beat everyone they did it by three laps!

-- 
Jeff Nappi
Columbus Bell Labs
jjn@cbjjn.att.com
From: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Salt Walther in trouble again
Date: 24 Jul 92 01:56:45 GMT
Reply-To: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Distribution: na
Organization: Reading Rehab Hospital, Reading PA

DAYTON, Ohio (AP)
   Former Indianapolis 500 race-car driver David "Salt" Walther was
released from jail Thursday after posting bond on an arrest warrant
issued when he failed to appear for a probation hearing in Indiana.
   Montgomery County Common Pleas Judge John Meagher set bond at
$2,500. Carl Bell, a jailer at the county Jail, said Walther posted
bond and was released.
   Walther didn't go to a July 2 hearing in Hendricks County, Indiana,
to determine whether his probation should be revoked, said Casey
Daganhardt, the assistant Montgomery County prosecutor.
   Walther, 45, of Dayton, likely will post bond in Ohio then turn
himself in to Indiana authorities, Daganhardt said. He said that if
Walther fails to do so by Aug. 29, an Ohio warrant would be issued for
his arrest.
   Walther, who drove in seven Indy-500 races from 1972 to 1979, was
arrested in Dayton on Monday. Bond was set Thursday.
   Walther was on probation after being convicted of a misdemeanor
charge of reckless driving April 30, 1991, said Todd McCormack,
director of the Hendricks County Probation Department. A 60-day jail
sentence was suspended.
   He said Walther is accused of not reporting to his probation
officer, not paying part of his supervision fees and being charged for
stealing a golf cart from the Indianapolis Speedway after the 1991
race, McCormack said.
   Detective Sgt. Joseph Kramer of the Speedway (Ind.) Police
Department said a warrant for Walther's arrest was issued after he
failed to appear in Marion County Criminal Court last week to face the
charge, Kramer said.
   Walther can be held on the theft charge unless he posts a $40,000
bond in Indiana, Kramer said.
   If convicted, Walther could face up to three years in prison,
Kramer said.

-Dan
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From: cnl@bnr.ca (Christopher Larmour)
Subject: Re: Senna and Me
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:03:05 GMT

mayor@bayes.ece.cmu.edu (Gilberto S. Mayor) writes:

: There are two things that you should never believe:
: 1. Some stupid and silly words,
: 2. Words that the author is ashmed (sic) to sign below,
: 
: Gilberto

So you're obviously not in category 2......

Look. NO SIGNATURE. Look up. MESSAGE HEADER. Simple, isn't it?
From: arsic@cs.uwp.edu (Dragan Arsic)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Rally schedulle?
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:33:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Jul31.153312.27424
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside

Can anybody send me a schedule for the rally racing. 

Thanks.

Dragan

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Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: dudley.chi@xerox.com (Tim Dudley)
Subject: Villeneuve at Trois Rivieres
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:12:28 GMT

Gilles Villeneuve's son, Jacques, is entered in the Players Formula Atlantic 
race at the meeting in Trois Rivieres, Quebec, which will be run the weekend
of August 14-16.  He's now 21 (!), and currently 2nd in the Japanese Formula 3
series.  This will be his first race in North America.

This could be interesting - his uncle (Jacques) had an Atlantic drive in the 
support race for the Molson Indy in Toronto  (notice all these plugs for
sponsors?  :-)  ), but I haven't heard whether he'll be driving in Trois 
Rivieres, or whether he's associated with his nephew's (Jacques, Gilles' son)
team.  Anybody got any more information on this?

Trois Rivieres is, of course, where Gilles got "discovered" after trouncing
some F1 drivers in the Atlantic races there - among them:  Depaillier, 
Laffite, Hunt, Brambilla, Tambay.  I imagine Jacques (the son) will be
getting some serious media pressure.  Hope it doesn't screw up his drive.

Tim

(open to suggestions on how, in print, to distinguish Jacques from Jacques...)
From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mansell's handling problems ?
Date: 29 Jul 92 02:37:20 GMT
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd

In <1992Jul28.113258.10226@news.clarkson.edu> taylor@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Ross Taylor,Peyt312,6652,2655436) writes:

>I haven't seen any comments about this so here goes.

>Yesterday morning (US Eastern time) a friend grom GB told me on the
>telephone that Mansell had serious handling problems for a lot of the
>race.  Very bad vibrations that caused him to slow down so that he
>could see where he was going.  That's why Senna and Patrese were able
>to close up so much at the end and, perhaps, why Mansell did not pull
>out as much a lead as he has in the past.

Vibrations like that are nearly always from the tyres, and they should
have ceased after the tyre stop (or started then). If they had come 
from the new tyres then it is doubtful that Mansell could have passed
Senna. Unless he flat-spotted his tyres at the Ostkurve immediately
before being waved through. 

The BBC feed we had in Australia said that the Williams-Renault people
had told Mansell to slow down in the last few laps because he was
running low on fuel. Of the two excuses, I'd tend to believe the first
was Mansell's idea of the truth (as he can never win a race without
overcoming some problem) and the second is what actually happened.


Now, how many people out there think that Hockenheim is improved by
the Ostkurve as it is now? I certainly don't.

>Ross Taylor

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From: D.F.White@lut.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: GP racing in the '30s was Re: Car identification request
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:41:56 GMT
Reply-To: D.F.White@lut.ac.uk (Dave White)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.

see very few American based racers over here, and its not at all the same on
the TV. Although a few cars have made it over here recently , namely three
model A ford dirtrack racers now on Dunlop racing tyres and mixing it with
the Bugattis, a Turtle Drilling Special of 1959 outdragging all the Maseratis
and Ferraris but sadly having no brakes or cornering ability and a wonderfull
sounding chevrolet? engined Scarab sportscar beating some of the D type Jags.
Do old Indianapolis cars come up for sale much? How about failed Indianapolis
cars, what happens to them?    Dave White
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From: rs3596@sarah.albany.edu (Robert B. Scott)
Subject: WC Points?
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 16:08:36 GMT


Hello all out there.  Somebody usually posts the point standing for the GOB's.
My local paper does a hideous job of covering the races.  They sometimes print
the standings pu usually only the top 10.   Any way could someone post the 
standings. I really want to know how my man Mark Martin is doing?


I was at the race Sunday.  We have great seats for the July race. 
Start/finish line, second row from the top.  From where we sat you could see
daylight between DA car and the motorhomes in the third turn. (fortunately I 
was following that pack of cars at the time)  Hope Davey is back soon.


Thanks in advance.

Rob... 


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From: bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Re: Boo Boo Senna (German GP minor spoiler)
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:05:29 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

> Senna defended his position brilliantly, despite an attack from a
> driver in a clearly faster car.

The Williams are clearly faster in the corners. 
I'm not sure they are that much faster on the straights. 
I would think that on circuits where they don't have to use too much wings 
to compensate for the bad chassis the McLaren are as fast or faster 
on the straights.

If this is true then it is very difficult to pass them. All they have to
do is make themselves large enough in the turns so that you can't pass them.
Then with about the same power coming out of a turn there is no way you 
can pass them at the turn exit or on the following straight. All by itself
I would assume that the Williams have a faster corner exit speed. But with
a car in front of you making you take the turn slower that advantage goes
away.

Same thing happened a few years ago when Prost/Ferrari were challenging
Senna/McLaren. There were a couple of races that were won in the pit.
All by itself the Ferrari had a slight advantage, but when stuck behing 
the McLaren it couldn't pass it.

bruno.
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: PITSTOP review
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:46:46 GMT

Quick review:  Had both Robby Gordon and Hurley Haywood on
PITSTOP last night.  Nothing of any significance to report.
I did ask Robby how he interacts with Eddie Cheever, like 
do you share chassis setup info.  Robby said that as Eddie's
Lola is a 92 and Robby has a 91, there isn't much of anything
you can share between them.

Hurley was his usual, informative self.  He did tell me that
if I look him up on Thursday, which is media day down at
PIR, that he'll give me some laps in his Supercar Porsche.
Something I'll definitely want to take advantage of.

One note to you guys here in the Portland area.  You always
say you'll call in and talk with our guests.  But I never see
it happen.  It still amazes me how most of the calls come in
the last 15 minutes of the show and all of the sudden we have
to rush things.

Hope to hear from you Thursday night.  I'll work on seeing if
we can get Al Jr. on for awhile.

-c'ball-
Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services
Date: Thursday, 23 Jul 1992 14:53:01 EST
From: <MREED@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: NASCAR Pocono - DA vs DW

 After following this discussion that seems to involve 2
 distinct opinions, that being DA did xxxxxx and DW did
 xxxxxx. Is it possible that DA whom I admittedly do not
 care for is no different from those 1000's of road going
 morons we've all encountered at some time who think they
 are the only car on the road/track that change lanes
 right in front of you when your obviously moving much
 faster than them (or just slam into the side of you in
 my case).  These same people seem to think that mirrors
 on cars are just for decoration, fixing hair, or checking
 out the babe in the car behind you at a stop light.

                                 Mike
From: b617zbb@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: McLaren Engines
Date: 20 Jul 92 18:43:00 GMT
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In article <l6luf4INNf4b@news.bbn.com>, tdonahue@BBN.COM (Tim Donahue) writes...
>Rumors suggest that Honda may be opting out of F1.  This leaves Ayrton
>and Gerhard to push.  Where might Ron find engines?  Here's some
>speculation:
> 
>1. BMW
> 
>The F1 from McLaren Cars is powered by a 3.5L V12 from BMW Motorsport.
>While not an F1 engine, it does have some of the right characteristics.
>BMW has been long rumored to be returning to F1; this could be their
>opportunity.
> 
>2. Peugeot
> 
>The V10 is currently leading motor in the SWC.  Having won LeMans, the
>French team may be ready for more pie  they appear capable of building
>an F1 chassis and clearly has race team organization pretty well sorted.
>While they might be interested in supplying an engine, they might also
>want to do the entire thing  assuming they can afford it.
> 
>3. Nissan
> 
>Perhaps they need to win LeMans first?
> 
>4. Toyota
> 
>Ditto.  However, this company has much deeper pockets than Honda.
> 
>5. Ford
> 
>The HB is a commodity and could easily be bought by McLaren,
>guaranteeing Ayrton sixth or so on the grid.  The V12, badged as a
>Jaguar, could propel the redandwhite cars.  Perhaps unlikely given the
>recent progress of Benetton.
> 
> 
>Driver Scenario:
> 
>Williams:		Prost/Unser		Prost/Brundle
> 
>McLaren:		Andretti/Senna		(watch who's faster)
> 
>Ferrari:		Patrese/Berger
> 
>Benetton:		Unser/Schumacher	Brundle/Schumacher
> 
>Lola:			Andretti/?
> 
> 
>Cheers,
>Tim

Ah, thank goodness, Mansell out of F1. Senna would be faster than Andretti
for at least one season (too much Senna F1 experience and lack of Andretti
testing due to inordinate number of crashes and/or fistfights with one
M. Schumacher). Andretti/Tracy to Lola if Tracy knows what is best for
himself. True Penske is a CART guru, but, the Penske is has been looking
awfully slow the last couple of seasons.

George.