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From: cadesjar@leibniz.uwaterloo.ca (Curtis Desjardins)
Subject: Re: Narcissus - We all KNOW who it is
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:42:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.224146.9207@zip.eecs.umich.edu> macika@emunix.emich.edu (Dominic Macika (Asst. Lab Supervisor)) writes:
>In article <C0CL63.AIy@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> cadesjar@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Curtis Desjardins) writes:
>>
>>Jim Garvin is just non-worker who always seems to get an undeserved
>>push or title. (Now that Jim is WWF-bound, is he going back to his
>>"It's not my fault!" days?)
>
>I disagree a little here.  Back in his WCCW days his workrate was above
>average and he drew excellant heat with the sharp dressed man gimmick.
>Remember his feud with David VE? 

I'm not sure if I can remember that far back.  ;-)

Actually, all I remember of Garvin's "early" days (probably more like
*my* early days) is Garvin and his valet Precious. Garvin was pretty
arrogant in the ring from what I remember, but not that great to
watch. I just remember his interviews, and how everything wasn't his
fault. "I know I'm good looking, but it's not my fault. I know I'm
the greatest wrestler there is, but it's not my fault, etc, etc."

How far back does that go? Nine years? More? I vaguely remember coming
across his sharp dressed man gimick, but can't fit it into the above
chronology. Was that before, after, or around the same time that it 
wasn't his fault??

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From: monster@cix.compulink.co.uk (John Nelson)
Subject: Re: This Group Should Be Killed         
Cc: Monster@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: monster@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:27:00 +0000

Steve Hooper sez...
>BUT, marks know nothing about blading, nothing about certain moves that look
>tough are actually easy to do etc. THAT is what I am referring to.

 I showed a very-casual-wrestling-fan friend of mine the Mr Pogo /
Matsugawa(sp) barbed wire baseball bat match. Could I convince him the blood
was real? Nope. Marks don't know about blading, they think the blood's fake.

 I watched a Backlund squash a coupla days ago where Bob let go the guy's arm
just before a move and they fumbled about for a couple of seconds getting
back into position. Looked real smooth. Not.
 In general so long as the "other guy" blatantly cooperates with his
opponent, throwing himself into bodyslams and suplexes, the "sport" doesn't
need exposing.

 In a way I wish I could agree with you and something could be done to keep
the wrestling mystique, but the wrestlers do more to ruin its credibility as
a "sport" than anyone on here ever could.


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From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston)
Subject: Re: USA Cutting Back on WWF Coverage?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:42:57 GMT


What time will the Monday night show be aired?  The first half or second
of the old Prime Time slot?

Tom
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Subject: Re: Rude etc.,
From: pmbarlow@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Pete Barlow... 'The Candy Guru')
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:27:38 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <1993Jan05.021242.13325@rose.com>, marv.bloom@rose.com (marv bloom) writes:
>  Well, cowpie tossed a wrench into said "works", so now Vader is WCW 
> Champion and (This is) Sting defeated Vader at the last PPV......oh 
> well ...........
>  The local WWF Syndies had the Event at Toronto Maple Leaf Gardens 
> advertised (Jan 31st) and the Main Event is WWF Champ Bret Hart vs 
> Razorrrr....Ramone.

Ah,  but remember the "card subject to change" clause... something WCW knows
how to use quite  well.   WWF probably  does too.

>  The U.S. Syndies mentioned that the Winner of the RR will get the 
> "shot" at the current WWF Champion at WMxxxxxxx (sorry, I've forgot 
> exactly what the next onee is). 

They've been saying that since  day 1.

>  I'd think it's Hart vs Flair (perhaps they'll take Jesse's comment 
> about how the Wrestlers should "gang up" and get rid of the real
> "heavyweight" First.

Doubtful.  The  concensus here  seems to be Hennig-Flair, but  my  vote is  for
Hart-Backlund.

>  Should this happen, it will be the first WM Main Event that has gone 
> beyond 14 minutes!
> (would expect a Flair/Hart Match to go at least 20+ minutes) 

Not true.   Hogan-Warrior at WM6 went over 20 minutes.

> PS with regards to The Brain (Luv the Guy) and Narcissus being Lugar,
>   yup would bet "the farm" on that (I don't own a Farm but certainly
>   I could find someone that is in TAX arrears to wager it).

I agree.  It's  probably Lex.

TCG, pb.
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From: 1910694ps380@vaxr.sscl.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Suplex list
Organization: Social Science Computing Laboratory
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:36:21 GMT



What about the "patented" side suplex, a la Dino Bravo, where it appears that
the wrestler is going to execute a Hitman-type backbreaker, but instead drives
his opponent straight down to the canvas? I don't think that the side suplex
has been mentioned yet.

	"Ravishing" Russ

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From: shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Rick Shrum)
Subject: Re: Names list (Only a few)
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:44:54 GMT

In article <1ii24mINN59b@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ar389@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tom Perrine Jr.) writes:
>
>Mr.Perfect - Curt Henning
                   Hennig
>Kamala - James Harris
>Nailz - Kevin Kelly
>Randy Savage - Randy Poffo
>The Genius - Lanny Poffo
>The Undertaker - Mark Callaway
>Hulk Hogan - Terry Bollea
>Brutus Beefcake - Ed Bollea

Actually, its Ed *Leslie*. It was only rumoured the 2 were brothers.
BTW, was Bruti permanantly Ran Out Of(tm) the WWF by Sid "RBI" Juicetice?


>Skinner - Steve Keim
                 Keirn or Kiern

>any disagreements mail me any more names post them please


 
Aw shucks; I posted them!

*Oodles* more in *the* (not "an") FAQ.






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From: jsteeves@ac.dal.ca (Jason Steeves)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Suplex list
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:38:33 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1993Jan11.123621.1@vaxr.sscl.uwo.ca>, 1910694ps380@vaxr.sscl.uwo.ca writes:
> 
> 
> What about the "patented" side suplex, a la Dino Bravo, where it appears that
> the wrestler is going to execute a Hitman-type backbreaker, but instead drives
> his opponent straight down to the canvas? I don't think that the side suplex
> has been mentioned yet.

I've always considered it a side slam and ignored whatever the announcer
named it. It's one of those "grey area" moves that could go either way.
The Bossman slam is similar, as is the tilt-a-whirl slam, so I prefer
to think of it as a slam.

Going back to (my) definition of a suplex, it involves a change in
direction (pick up and then drop), so shouldn't be called a suplex.

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From: yonatan@csri.toronto.edu (Gary Will)
Subject: Re: realism?
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 7 Jan 93 04:03:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan07.025847.22580@rose.com> marv.bloom@rose.com (marv bloom) writes:
>
> This is one area where the WCW veers off path. One example would be 
>Ricky Steamboat vs Windham. There is no way one can give away fifty 
>pounds and be victorious (perhaps "on the street") but not in a Ring 
>(boxing included).

It's actually not uncommon for people with big weight advantages to
lose in either boxing or wrestling.  Just look at Chris Taylor -- he
had more than a 150 lb advantage over most of his opponents and never
won an Olympic or world title (bronze medallist in 1972 Olympics).

Evander Holyfield had a 40 lb disadvantage to George Foreman and beat
him easily.  And Steamboat and Windham would be in the same weight
classification in boxing and in amateur wrestling, so it's really not
ridiculous to have them in the same class in professional wrestling.

--Gary Will
From: scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM (David Scheid)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Steiners etc.,
Date: 8 Jan 1993 16:26:28 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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In article 5Au@mentor.cc.purdue.edu, rusbasan@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Bob Rusbasan) writes:
>I didn't watch the NWA back then, but didn't Kevin Sullivan start
>a "Varsity Club" with Rick Steiner and Mike Rotundo with one of
>the gimmicks being that they wrestled in amateur wrestling outfits,
>including the headgear?  I always thought that Rick Steiner just
>never dropped the headgear part of the gimmick.

Yes. Sullivan said that Steiner was having difficulty staying focused
in the ring and by returning to his varsity days, he might be able to
go back to his championship form. Remember this was when Steiner was
talking to his hand and hearing voices in his head. The headgear was
to get rid of the voices (I believe).

>Perhaps he just found the tights and headgear more comfortable
>(especially for his ears).

Or, Maybe, Sullivan was right!

---
Dave Scheid - All Disclaimers Apply
From: jsteeves@ac.dal.ca (Jason Steeves)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: What is a suplex?
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:39:52 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <ventura.726118334@camelot>, ventura@camelot.bradley.edu (Brian Wawczak) writes:
> Is Scott Steiner's "Tilt-A-Whirl" considered a suplex or a bodyslam?
> 
> I've heard it described as both. It's probably closer to a slam, but I see
> it as a suplex since it starts off like a gutwrench suplex.

Actually, it starts out as more of a side slam. Pretty hard to catch a
man running at you in a gut wrench.

I've always heard it called a tilt-a-whirl slam. Scott doesn't actually
fall to the mat with his victim, so if you were still using that qualifier
for a suplex, it would be a slam.

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From: dkempste@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David N Kempster)
Subject: Re: Rude etc.,
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:46:00 GMT

Keep
In article <1993Jan5.132738.14862@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> pmbarlow@miavx1.acs.mu
ohio.edu (Pete Barlow... 'The Candy Guru') writes:
>In article <1993Jan05.021242.13325@rose.com>, marv.bloom@rose.com (marv bloom)
 writes:

K
>>  I'd think it's Hart vs Flair (perhaps they'll take Jesse's comment
>> about how the Wrestlers should "gang up" and get rid of the real
>> "heavyweight" First.
>
>Doubtful.  The  concensus here  seems to be Hennig-Flair, but  my  vote is  fo
r
>Hart-Backlund.
>
The Observer reports that they are going to be doing Flair-Hennig at house 
shows and not saving them for Wrestlemania. This may be because Flair is trying
make his escape back to WCW - we can only hope.


                                              David Kempster
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From: hekunze@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Herb Kunze)
Subject: Re: Suplex list
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:30:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.192424.9938@ac.dal.ca>, jsteeves@ac.dal.ca (Jason Steeves) writes:
> Belly-to-back (aka back suplex - like Atomic drop, but you fall back)
> Saito suplex (as above but faster... named after Saito)

  The description is a bit off.  The typical belly-to-back suplex has
  the suplexer put one hand around his opponent's torso and one on his
  opponent's leg, a la the atomic drop.  The Saito suplex starts from
  a side waist lock, sort of like the German suplex but with the guys
  not standing directly behind each other. 

> That includes everything so far. Any more?

  Several of the AJW women, most noticeably Akira Hokuto, do unique
  suplexes.  There's one where the suplexee gets her arms wrapped
  around her waist, sort of as if she had a stomach ache, and the 
  suplexer grabs the suplexee's wrists and does a German suplex.

  There's also the Soviet judo suplex that Hiro Hase, among others,
  does.  It's hard to describe, but we've probably all seen it in a
  match against the Steiners.  The way that the suplexee moves 
  resembles the way the victim of a choke slam (a la Van Vader)
  moves.   

                                                           Herb... 
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From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston)
Subject: Re: WCW Rescue? Does Turner Listen?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:41:35 GMT

dkempste@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David N Kempster) writes:

>>sounds like it has a lot of potential.

>Smoky Mountain Wrestling is great but it is worth clearing up a couple of 
>misconceptions. If you really don't like seeing OLDER wrestlers, SMW is NOT for
>you. Most of their wrestlers have been around for years and years. This is NOT 
>an indy where you send people like Erik Watts to mature. They would have no use
>for him. Jim Cornette has picked up people like Stan Lane, Tom Prichard, Ricky 
>Morton, Robert Gibson, Paul Orndorff, Ron Garvin, Kevin Sullivan etc. These are
>not spring chickens. They are vetrans who know how to put on a good show.

>                                            David Kempster

Smoky Mountain wrestling sounds promising.  My remarks about older
wrestlers weren't really directed at, say, just everyone over the
age of 40.  My favorite wrestlers include Ric Flair, Arn Anderson,
Roddy Piper, etc. who aren't exactly rookies.

Older wrestlers who work are great.  The older wrestlers who really
aren't worth watching IMHO are people like Sgt. Slaughter and
Nikolai Volkoff.  I'm not even sure these guys are that old, they
just move very slowly, and look to be in such awful shape that
there's little chance of them ever putting on better shows than
their recent work.

Tom
From: jsteeves@ac.dal.ca (Jason Steeves)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: What is a suplex?
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:39:11 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <C0C0z9.1p0@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca>, hekunze@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Herb Kunze) writes:
> In article <1993Jan3.220840.9846@ac.dal.ca>, jsteeves@ac.dal.ca (Jason Steeves) writes:

>   I don't believe that you have to bridge into a pin for a the move
>   to be a German suplex.  When Rick Steiner routinely throughs jobbers
>   over his head in a belly-to-back suplex, that's a German suplex.

Agreed. Bridge and pin optional. I meant belly-to-back as the "Atomic
drop but you fall backwards" one.

>   There's also the suplex where the wrestlers stand belly-to-back and
>   the person in back grabs each of the other person's arms (sort of
>   wrapping them around the waist) before doing a german suplex.  

I've seen the same move performed from the belly-to-belly position as
well.

The revised suplex list:
------------------------

>> Vertical suplex (most common, "textbook")
>> Snap suplex
>> Gut wrench
>> Double underhook (butterfly)
>> Belly-to-belly
Belly-to-back (aka back suplex - like Atomic drop, but you fall back)
German suplex (belly to back straight over head - may be bridge and pin)
>> Northern Lights suplex (belly to belly into a bridge for a pin)
>> Inverted suplex (like vertical, but drop on chest rather than back)
>> Front face suplex
>   Slingshot suplex 
>   Fisherman suplex (aka perfectplex)
    (aka Cradle suplex)
>   Dragon suplex (start in a full nelson, then do a suplex)
Running suplex
Double Armbar Suplex (from behind)
Double Armbar Suplex (from the front)

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:37:06 -0500 
From: Gary James Patalsky <gp2f+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Ric Flair --> WCW; Jim Ross


Otto Heuer writes:

>Anyone willing to admit that they called Jim Ross' 900 line
>so we can find out what he said about Ric Flair.  I'm assuming
>he's just giving us the same info we've heard on rsp-w; that 
>Slick Rick is coming back to WCW in the next month or two, 
>but I'm curious about how he worded it.

When a caller on Jim Ross's radio show asked what he said, Ross replied
that a station in Charlotte is reporting that Flair will be returning to
WCW.  Ross said  the report was of Flair's initiative.
From: chrispy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christopher Palacios)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Chrispy's House Show Review - COMING SOON!
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:38:17 GMT
Reply-To: chrispy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christopher Palacios)
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin
Originator: chrispy@doc.cc.utexas.edu


This Wednesday night, January 6, Chrispy's Wrestling Video Review will
leap into the unexpected when I attend a house show at the University
of Texas Frank Erwin Center.  

This will be my first house show since the Hogan vs. Earthquake fued.
The Earthquake attack on Hogan was filmed in Austin about 2 months prior
to its showing on the syndies and the subsequent Tugboat card drive.

I was lucky enough to get SECOND ROW seats to see these matches and others
I'm not sure of as of yet:

Bret Hart vs. Ric Flair for the WOOOOOOOrld title
Shawn Michaels vs. Marty Jannetty for the Intercontinental title
Bob Backlund vs. Berzerker

Undertaker/Nailz in a Prison Yard (lumberjack) match was scheduled, but is
doubtful due to Nailz practicing his character on McMang.

I will be taking pictures and will provide a full review the day after the
matches.  If anyone has any requests for pictures, recommendations on how to
get autographs, etc.  please mail me.

BTW, RSPW has made me want to see house shows even more than before.  RSPW
is not ruining this sport.  If anything, with Herb and Dave's tapes and
the enlightening talk on RSPW, it has made me fall in love with wrestling
all over again.  I'll admit that at first, I was a bit of a mark, but now
I appreciate the wrestlers more than ever.

  

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From: karnecki@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (The Jian)
Subject: Warrior.gif
Originator: karnecki@hphalle1d.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:01:40 GMT


Hi !

Has someone something like this ??
If so, mail or post it, please.

Thanx,  Robert

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From: bh929@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Palij)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: realism?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 15:10:27 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bh929@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Palij)
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In a previous article, foleye@xanth.CS.ORST.EDU (Stilt Man) says:

>In article <1993Jan6.230337.402@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> yonatan@csri.toronto.edu (Gary Will) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan07.025847.22580@rose.com> marv.bloom@rose.com (marv bloom) writes:
>>>
>>> [stuff deleted]
>>It's actually not uncommon for people with big weight advantages to
>>lose in either boxing or wrestling.  Just look at Chris Taylor -- he
>>had more than a 150 lb advantage over most of his opponents and never
>>won an Olympic or world title (bronze medallist in 1972 Olympics).
>>
>>Evander Holyfield had a 40 lb disadvantage to George Foreman and beat
>>him easily.  And Steamboat and Windham would be in the same weight
>>classification in boxing and in amateur wrestling, so it's really not
>>ridiculous to have them in the same class in professional wrestling.
>>
>
>When you consider that all of these guys are strong enough to lift the larger
>men (i.e. Windham) off the mat and throw them around with some ease, a weight
>advantage doesn't matter a heckuva lot.  Wrestling a Pontiac isn't too hard
>if you can lift the Pontiac off the ground and slam him on the mat just as
>easily as he can to you.
 
I think there are several dimensions that have to be considered in this
situation: (a) how much of the weight is due to lean muscle and fat
(this can be thought of a strength dimension), (b) whether the person 
is aerobically fit (this is an endurance dimension), and skill. The
box below represents the weight and aerobic factors and the cells of
the table identify who might have an advantage in a match (assuming
that we're having a real contest and the two guys have equal skills).

                                     Aerobically 
Weight is due to            Fit                    Unfit
                      (high endurance)         (low endurance)
                 ----------------------------------------------------
Lean Muscle      | advantage to heavier   | Advantage to lighter    |
(Strong)         |   guy                  |  guy                    |
                 |------------------------|-------------------------|
Fat              | advantage to lighter   | advantage to lighter    |
(Weak)           |   guy                  |  guy                    |
                 |------------------------|-------------------------|

I think that there is a weight advantage only when the weight is due
to lean muscle and the person is aerobically fit.  Otherwise the
adavantage would go to the lighter guy (under the assumption that
the two guys have equal levels of skill). If we vary skill then
a big guy with a lot of lean muscle and high endurance would dominate
lighter guys but a skilled lighter guy who has high endurance would 
dominate an unskilled fat guy with low endurance (like Hulk Hogan;).

-- 
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From: Steve_Hooper@tvbbs.wimsey.bc.ca (Steve Hooper)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Rose & Quake
Distribution: world
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:50:27 PST
Organization: Tunnel-Vision BBS!

Carlton@hfglobe.intel.com wrote:

>Earthquake has moved to West Coast Championship Wrestling, and will
>appear at the Jan. 30 card against Buddy Rose in Cloverdale, BC.

 CC> I wonder if WCCW if this match will follow SUMO or Belly Bouncing
 CC> Rules? -)

Yes, Rose and Quake are both VERY overweight, but you might be surprised. 
Rose has a great work rate when he wants to, and so does Quake.



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