HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill)
Subject: Re: Eagles Sign Andre (Dirty) Waters
Keywords: 3 to go
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:14:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.172259.24025@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> dick1@hera.uucp (25443-vaughn) writes:
>Three to go:  Keith Jackson, Eric Allen, Byron Evans.
>
>My prediction: they'll all sign by the 9/6 Saints opener,
>with Jackson the last to sign.
>Dick V.

	Did anyone else see this story on ESPN? They showed Andre Waters
   highlight film, and it was one knee shot after another. Does he always
   go in so low? Sorry, but that is just dangerous and not good football
   tactics. Spearing someones knees, is the way to end a career. If I was
   a opposing coach, I would just send some TE, or down lineman, to
   give him a leeson he wouldnt forget.

								Mark
								GO VIKINGS!


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From: robertd@ecs.comm.mot.com (Robert Day)
Subject: Re: Are the Bears 2 players away from the Super Bowl?
Organization: control_centers
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:28:44 GMT

In <1992Aug17.152421.16217@makesys.com>, john@makesys.com (John Turman) writes

>Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't `Da Bears about 4 bricks shy of a load? By

Ok, you're wrong :)

>that I mean sure you need two OL's but if you ask me I think you could use two
         
Yes, we need Hilgenberg (sp?) at center and either Troy Auzenne, Stan Thomas or
Louis Age to step up.

>speed burners as wide outs too. Yeah I know you have Willie Galt but where is
>the other deep threat? If you want to make it to the super bowl nowadays you 

Boy, news must travel slowly down South :) The Bears HAD Willie Gault.  
He's been playing with the Raiders for about 4-5 seasons now.  The 
only "burner" the Bears have is Anthony Morgan, and he just sprained 
his surgically repaired knee yesterday.  The Bears also have a rookie 
(John Brown III ?) who is supposedly pretty fast.  I agree about the 
need for speed though.

What I think the Bears need:

1) 1 or 2 OL 
2) A solid DL to pair up w/ McMichael
3) Speed at receiver
4) A clue for Ditka about how to run a passing attack.  They
    did fine with the ball control passing game early last year.
5) SPECIAL TEAMS WORK!  Kickoff & punt coverage sucks.

Rob
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From: quangl@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Quang Le)
Subject: Re: POOL - Separate Newsgroup?
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:18:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.193759.1665@colorado.edu> davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) writes:
>
>Just a note here.  The "small group of people" you speak of is, in my case,
>over 450 and still growing at a clip of 50 new people per week.  I already
>maintain a list of about 50 users who want the information mailed to them
>each week.  While I would consider a mailing list for all 450+ people, I
>don't think it is very practical.  As for the "cheapness" of a new newsgroup,
>I'm not sure I know where you are coming from.  Creating a new group is
>very simple to do.
>
>Still, perhaps the mailing list I already have combined with the posts here
>are enough.
>
>Anyone else care to comment?

Personally, I appreciated Dave's willingness to run the pool in which
I am proud to be in the first 100 :-) (Hope not to slip farther).  But
creating a new group is not easy. It takes one month of discussion. Then
it takes more time for voting process. Even after the group is approved
system admin at each site will decide to add the new group to the server.
if he won't newsreader in his site never have a chance to see that
newsgroup. In short, if we start now many of us wouldn't see that group
until the season is over :-)

I suggested that Dave should post his messages to this group. Pool
participants should dig harder in their news server. For example, if
they miss a message they should do

cd /usr/news/rec/sport/football/pro
egrep Pool *

to find neccessary messages.

Regards,
Quang Le
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From: ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Sheridan's picks for Superbowl
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:56:32 GMT
 <1992Aug10.195712.28544@usl.edu> <1992Aug12.143346.2911@abode.ttank.com>
 <xc6nb82k@csv.warwick.ac.uk>
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <xc6nb82k@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, csuah@warwick.ac.uk (~WISP at CU~)
says:
>>>Here are Sheridan's odds against winning Super Bowl XXVII
>>>
>>>Cincinnati            500,000:1
>>>Phoenix               750,000:1
>>>Indianapolis          1,000,000:1
>>>
>>>(source: Playboy Sept. 92' written without permission)
>>
>>I am going to go bet $1.00 on each of these teams and hope that the Colts win
>>it all! :)
>
>I'm with you. In a 28-horse race (even over long distance...), it's crazy
>to quote odds of 1,000,000:1 against the win. (UK bookies did it once,
>500:1 against England winning a cricket match, and boy did they take a
>pasting...)
>
>On that score, are these actual odds, or just the opinion of a pundit?
>
     I can't imagine that odds like that are genuine betting odds... I
remember reading in USA Today a couple of years ago that someone had
established the odds of UNLV's first round opponent (Montana State?) at
a billion to one to win the NCAA tournament.  Literally.  It was at the
bottom of a 64-team list that began with UNLV at 1:3 or something.  Why
do I have a hard time believing that *any* gambler would take that bet?
Does anyone actually think that if the tournament was played a *billion*
times Montana State would come away with one win at most?
     Campbell was a noticeably better team at a mere 100,000,000:1...

Brett
From: irwin@sealy.uchicago.edu (Mark Irwin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Ty Detmer and other Heisman winners
Keywords: n
Date: 20 Aug 92 06:03:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Department of Statistics, University of Chicago

In article <1992Aug20.050717.8559@news.stolaf.edu> alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.200206.27041@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso) writes:
>>>I would like a list of Heisman trophy winners and the teams they play on.
>>>Only active players would be nice.  All I can think of is the following:

Most of list deleted

>>>
>>      Doug Flutie         Toronto Argos...(CFL)
>
>
>Flutie plays for the British Columbia Lions of the CFL, not Calgary (as another
>post said) or Toronto (as this post says).  The QB for Toronto is former
>Minnesota Gopher great Rickey Foggie (he had quite a season with the Argos last
>year, too).
>
>Joel Alvstad
>St. Olaf College
>Northfield, MN
>alvstad@stolaf.edu
>
The person who posted that Flutie plays for the Calgary Stampeders is
correct.  Flutie played for the BC Lions for two season and signed with
Calgary during the offseason.  The BC Lions quarterbacks this season are
Danny Barrett and Tony Kimbrough.

Mark

Mark Irwin     Dept of Statistics, Univ of Chicago
irwin@galton.uchicago.edu
irw1@midway.uchicago.edu
mark@stat.ubc.ca
From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Worst Rules in NFL
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:56:08 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


I'm just curious as to what the opinions are out there as to the absolute
SINGLE worst rule the NFL currently has.  There are some pretty bad ones out
there.  IMHO, the worst has to be the rule allowing a penalty to be called
on a home team for "excessive crowd noise."  I always thought that was to
be encouraged and was part of the home field advantage.  What do you guys
think the worst is?
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From: jono@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Jonathon Oliver-Summer 92)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Who won on the weekend?
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:28:44 GMT
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division

Could someone please post the results of the weekend?
Thanks
	Jon Oliver
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Where are they now?
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:13:58 GMT
Organization: Chevron

vreddy@husc3.harvard.edu writes:
>WHERE ARE THEY NOW?
>
>I was wondering wher some of the greats were? 
>
>For example, what happened to Joe Theismann? (sp?)

Oh, he makes up half of THE WORST PAIR OF COMMENTATORS in any sports
coverage:  ESPN, along with Mike Patrick(?).  "Well, when I was in
Washington, we ran the . . . <insert most obviously play in the given
situation>, and, WELL!  Looks like I should be on the sidelines, huh!"

>Steve Walsh? (Where IS he now, ever since

He's a Saint, but he's not great. :@)


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From: dmercer@oracle.com (David B. Mercer)
Subject: Re: Head Coaches
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, CA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:22:28 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <0095F0A7.07CD7DC0@vms.csd.mu.edu> 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>Hi there
>If anyone knows the names of the head coaches of
>the following teams please post/email.

>New England Patriots

Dick Macpherson, bonehead.  The best coach in the NFL.

---DBM
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From: twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf)
Subject: Re: Terminology question
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:25:21 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <92232.134432343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> William Grant <343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.160918.12741@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu>, ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu
>(nod sivad) says:
>>
>    This brings an interesting question.  WHY don't some pro team use a
>wishbone type of offense.  Teams like San Fran or Philadelphia would be
>perfect for this type of offense.  A good scrambling quarterback,  and
>3 running backs.  You wouldn't even need 3 huge name backs,  just 3
>'little better than average' (ambigious as hell I know!) backs.  It could
>work.  It does for some college teams.  Any other opinions??
>
>

Yes, this is a good way to get your quarterback killed. There are several
problems with the wishbone at the pro level.

1) Almost every play is a run (80+%), so the defense could stack the front
	line and stuff most plays.

2) In the pro's, the talent level is more even than in college. Thus you have
	to fool more players that you do in college. The defensive players
	taken as a whole are bigger, faster, and smarter than the average
	college defensive player. Thus they are harder to muscle, harder
	to fool, and recover much faster.

3) In the wishbone, the quarterback gets hit hard every play. You would
	probably need 3 quarterbacks every game (or 7+ during a season).


If you look at pro-ball, you can see the trend is away from a all-or-nothing
running game. You have the passing attacks of Detroit, Buffalo, S.F., Atlanta,
Houstan, Washington, ect... Teams that use the pass primarily and keep you
off balance with the run. Even those teams that run most of the time, like
the Giants, still want to have the option of passing.

Tom wolf
From: kennedy@inter-tel.com (Matt Kennedy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
Date: 20 Aug 92 01:12:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: inter-te.1992Aug20.011256.29535
Organization: Inter-Tel, Inc. (Chandler, AZ)

In <1992Aug14.144740.25428@das.harvard.edu> vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy)
writes about the immediate spike:

>It's NOT a bonus. Actually, it's a penalty. The "spike" is ruled as
>"intentional grounding", and a yardage penalty (5 I think) is assessed.
>It`s actually a concession to stop the clock. That way, if the QB needs 
>a huddle to get his line in gear, he doesn't run the clock while doing it.

This is quite incorrect.  Intentional grounding is a rule against
intentionally throwing an incomplete pass *to avoid a loss*.  When
the QB immediately spikes the ball, the officials do not access
an intentional grounding penalty because the QB is not throwing the
incomplete pass *to avoid a loss*.

=====================
Matthew S. Kennedy
kennedy@inter-tel.com
=====================
From: Derek_Juntunen@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Derek Juntunen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Lions vs. Bills stats Wanted
Distribution: world
Date: 18 Aug 92 12:51:31 EST
Organization: Amiga BitSwap Central Dispatch

Could someone please Email me the stats of the Lions vs. Bills game?
Thanx alot.

Derek

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From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: Instant Replay
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:14:43 GMT

In article <seWElVi00WDKA5rKZP@andrew.cmu.edu> Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Well, after the ABC team making a point of letting everybody know that
>IR has been done away with, I for one can say I am really not looking
>forward to this season's calls. After, what, 4 years? of replay and the
>refs getting lazier and lazier about actually making calls correctly and
>decisively, I have a feeling we're going to be treated to a feast of bad
>calls this season, but I have to admit it'll be fun to have the ol'
>"human error" part of the game back again--of course, now it's gonna be
>a lot easier to start those "they paid off the refs" rumors again...! :D
>
>anybody else have any thoughts on this?
>
>--Vernon.

Well having seen the results of the IR refs rulings I don't think it would
ever allay the fears of referee corruption. I've never seen such
incompetence in my life. Even with all the cameras and all the angles covered
there were all kinds of rules interpretations problems as well as outright
blindness. Sure they got it correct occasionally but usually they would screw
it up even worse. 

The thing that got me was that every play was subject to scrutiny, personally I
think they should have used the old WFL system, where the coach could ask for a
review and if it went against him he lost a timeout. If the ruling was in his
favor nothing was taken from his team. This would prevent review burnout as was
practiced the last 4 years. The only other plays that should be subject to scrutiny
should be on close scoring plays with neither teams timeouts subject to jeapordy.

IR can be a good thing if it's used sparingly, the way the NFL used it was a joke.

Opinion mode off.

John T.
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From: den@cci632.cci.com (Dennis J. Buttery)
Subject: NFL Sub-Rosters
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:47:12 GMT


   I was just wondering if anyone knew what all of the "sub-roster's" are that an NFL team has??  I know that there is the Injured Reserve and Developmental Squad and I believe there is a separate one for Physically Unable to Perform.  Are there any others???   Also, if anyone knows the maximum number of players that can be held on each of these sub-rosters, I'd appreciate that info as well.
 
Thanks.                                        -DJB-

Geaux Saints!
Geaux Bills!
North & South in '92........
From: Arthur.E.LaMarche@dartmouth.edu (Arthur E. LaMarche)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: RE: L.A. Rams outlook
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:21:38 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Marcus Dupree Ran for 100 yds on 22 ca. against the Raiders. It was
late in the second half of the game when he looked the best.  Granted,
he was not running against the Raiders starters, but he did not have
the Rams starters blocking for him, either.  Maybe, he has returned to
his old form and will be the back the Rams need.

art LaMarche
LaMarche.Dartmouth.edu
 If you aint the lead dog, the scenery never changes.
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From: tf0y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Todd Harris Fletcher)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins - Rypien Finally Signed!
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:12:03 GMT
	<23539@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
Organization: University Relations - Diane, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Steve Williams writes:
>Rypien's contract calls for $3 million base salary plus $350,000 incentive 
>package for total of $3.35 million which puts Rypiens ahead of Montana.  

If he earns all of the incentives.

>Rypien is believed to have gotten an incentive package that includes
>an additional:
>    $10,000 for every victory he starts;
>   $100,000 for leading the NFL in quarterback rating, with increments
>	           down to $30,000 for 10th place
>    $60,000 for leading the NFC in quarterback rating, with increments
>       	    down to $35,000 for fifth place
>   $125,000 for being starter in a Super Bowl victory
>   $100,000 for being the Super Bowl MVP

So let's see.  16 wins = $160,000 plus $100,000 for leading NFL, plus
$60,000 for leading NFC, plus $125,000 for winning Super Bowl, plus
$100,000 for being the MVP adds up to $545,000.  So where are you wrong?

>    - Rypien probably will rate 3rd in both quarterback ratings.
>      Hence, $70,000 for NFL and $47,500 for NFC.

It took a career year to finish second last year.  I see him 3rd in the
NFC and 6th in the NFL.  Behind Kelly, Marino, Moon, Miller, and Aikman.

>    - The Redskins naturally are going to win the Super Bowl. :-)
>      Hence, Rypien gets $125,000.

And who's the MVP?  Seriously though, I don't think there is any way
they are going to repeat.  I don't even see them winning the NFC east. 
What have they done in the years after a Super Bowl victory before? 
8-8? 9-7?

Todd
From: davelb@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Dave Butler)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:59:40 GMT
Subject: Attention Sports Challenge Football 92 Players
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

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From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins Roster as of Aug. 16, 1992
Date: 18 Aug 92 11:01:11 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

In rec.sport.football.pro, bradletm@ntmtv.UUCP (Tim Bradley) writes:
>From article <23725@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, by swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Wi
>lliams):
>>
>>    Washington Redskins Roster
>>  (against San Francisco Giants)
>                          ^^^^^^

Well, considering how awful the Redskins were in the second half last 
Sunday, the Redskins must have been playing the Giants baseball team 
in a game of baseball .....  :-)

My mistake.  My apologies.  It should have been the 49ers.


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From: Fil Sapienza <Fil.Sapienza@med.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Lion news - 8/18/92
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 14:15:53 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan - Surgery Tech Svc
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1

In article <Derek_Juntunen.06oz@abcd.Houghton.MI.US> Derek Juntunen,
Derek_Juntunen@abcd.Houghton.MI.US writes:
>Andre Ware did not do well as usual, although he could have used some
help
>from his offensive line and recievers fhe was 0-3).  Rodney Peete looked
>pretty good and ready to go for the season.  Hopefully he'll stay healthy
>this year.  Chuck Long was so-so.  Erik Kramer didn't look that good. 
>There were some passes he threw that were terrible.

I only saw the third quarter.  I don't see how the Lions can expect to win
many games if they don't develop a consistent passing game.   With Barry
Sanders, they wouldn't even need a great passing game, but slightly
better than average.    

If this does not happen, defenses will continue to stack him, instead of
spreading out so that he can run.

>Barry Sanders didn't play much, but he was spectacular as usual. 
Tilliman
>looked pretty good most of the game, aside from his fumble.  And I was
very
>impressed with Byron Sanders (is he related to Barry?).  The guy looks
like
>an exact clone of Barry Sanders, with a few less moves.  
>
Byron is related to Barry - I think they are brothers.

>The offensive line did not do well.  Lomas Brown was the only starter
>though.  But hey, there was no excuse of the OL terrible play.
>
Although it is a young offensive line.   Still, the number of penalties
(not just OL, but in general) is something good coaching can and should
change. 

>The defensive line was also bad; letting the Bills get 5+ yards on every
>running play.  That won't happen when Jerry Ball, Chris Spielmon, and
Mike
>Cofer playing though.  

What is the status with those guys?

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