HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Cecil signs :-( :-( :-(
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:33:06 GMT

In article <2357@blue.cis.pitt.edu> genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave) writes:
>>a first baseman with 50 points of ops more than the average
>>first baseman will bat somewhere in the middle of the lineup.  a shortstop
>>with 50 points of ops more than the average shortstop will bat, what,
>>eighth instead of ninth? whoop-de-doo.  the first baseman contributes
>>more, since he comes up to the plate more often, and has runners on base
>>more often when he comes up, and is on base more often when a decent
>>batter comes up.
>
>Agreed.  I was being sloppy for brevity's sake.  You can account for most of
>this by normalizing the PA's (which isn't that much of a difference anyway).
>Lineup effects are small, in general.  

C'mon!  A #1 hitter can expect to have 144 more PA than a #9 hitter over
the course of a 162-game season.  That's a lot of PA.
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Phillies/Cards Trade Rumor
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:48:20 GMT
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In article <1993Jan21.182725.2940@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>with the bat to match.  Stan Royer is the only interesting one of the
>bunch; he's 25 years old, and has hit for some power in the minors, though
>he doesn't walk much.  The Cardinals may be frightened off by his high
>error totals in the minors (though his assist totals are also quite high).

In fact, the Cardinals probably are guilty of just this, because last year
they moved Royer to 1B at Louisville, giving 3B to Woodson. The stated
reason was that Zeile had proven he was their 3B but they still likes
Royers bat so they were giving him a shot at the 1B job. I like Zeile
as much as anybody, as Sherri well knows, but even I have to admit he
is not much of a 3rd baseman and if Royer has better range, they should
have moved Zeile and given Royer 3B. Of course they would have had to
bench the big cat to do that and that would make Maxvill look like an
even bigger idiot.

Their best 3B prospect is 19 year old Dmitri Young but he is likely to
start the year in AA, and the Cards doubt he is really a 3B. He is prone
to being a bit heavy, and 1B figures to be his future position.

Kruk is better than Zeile right now, but is older and with his weight
problem, probably not likely to be that good for that much longer. I  
would trade Zeile for Hollins but I doubt Philadelphia would be that
stupid.




Russ Smith
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From: pieter@ford.ee.up.ac.za (Pieter Vermeulen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: The best ever 1 day XIs
Date: 27 Jan 93 07:37:16 GMT
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sbasu@huey (BASU) writes:

>================================

>SOUTH AFRICA
>------------
>Barry Richards
>Andrew Hudson
>Peter Kirsten
>Graemae Pollock
>Adrian Kuiper
>Clive Rice (d)
>Jonty Rhodes
>Eddie Barlow(k)
>Mike Procter (c)
>Merrick Pringle
>Allan Donald

>=================================

I would not rate Hudson, Rhodes, Pringle and Donald that high and
assuming Denis Lindsay and Lee Irvine do not qualify for the keeper
slot, my team would look like this: 

Barry Richards
Jimmy Cook
Kenny McEwan
Graeme Pollock
Eddie Barlow (c)
Clive Rice (d)
Mike Proctor
Alan Kourie / Brian McMillan (depending on the pitch)
Ray Jennings (k)
Garth le Roux / Peter Pollock 
Vince van der Bijl

If you need a spinner, then Kourie is the man and if there are ssome
snakes around, Mac is the man. You need one of them to fille first and
second slips, because better hands man have not seen. As for le Roux
and Pollock; it is a toss-up. Peter Kirsten, Henry Fotheringham and
Adrian Kuiper are unlucky to be left out.  This team would have vd
Bijl, le Roux / Pollock, Proctor and Rice as strike bowlers, with
Barlow, McMillan / Kourie for the 2nd change.  BTW, if Lamb was
eligible for SA, he would not make this tem either I think.

Pieter
From: sanjay@crackle.uucp ()
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Newsflash - Martyn out of test team
Date: 22 Jan 1993 06:03:07 GMT
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Just heard that Damien Martyn was accidently pokes in the eye by Bob Simpson
during fielding practice today. He was taken to hospital and will not play
in the test starting tomorrow. I'm not sure who will replace him, but one
option is to play Warne and May (I hope not!). Matthew Hayden, who was
on standby for Boon, is currently playing a Shield game against Tasmania
and will probably not be selected. I guess the selectors may go with Dean
Jones. Knowing Deano he'll get a big hundred and get selected for England.
Damn, I thought we'd got rid of him for good. Maybe the selectors will be
creative and select Justin Langer. I'm sure he wouldn't mind the red-eye
5am flight from Perth to Adelaide :-)
From: prakash@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: QUESTION ABOUT GAVASKAR( consecutive 4 s )
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:42:32 GMT

In article <21JAN199305041145@vill.edu>, 000087384@vill.edu (GUNNA, SANDEEP) writes:
> In article <1993Jan21.170113.1@economics.adelaide.edu.au>, ecrjbruce@economics.adelaide.edu.au writes...
>>In article <Jan.20.20.06.18.1993.10698@maya.rutgers.edu>, govindra@maya.rutgers.edu (S Govindarajan) writes:
>>> 
>>> Speaking of successive boundaries, what is the world record in tests?
>>> I can't think of any batsmen who had more than 4 in succession. 
>> 
>>Didn't David Hookes hit Tony Grieg for 5 in a row in the Centenary test??
>> 
> And what about Sandeep Patil's 6 fours in an over, though the first 5
> were consecutive and the last was off the 7th ball of the over.


	If my memory is not playing tricks with me(using r.s.c's famed cliches
:-)), Sandeep Patil hit 3 fours each off the first 3 and the last 3 deliveries
of a 7-ball over.


Guru Prakash


				Live and let live !!!!!
From: drinnen@deakin.edu.au (Philip Shead)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Overall team figures for Australian first class season.
Date: 24 Jan 1993 18:50:40 -0600
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Team Figures

Batting
Team                M   I  N/O   Runs    HS     50   100  Avge  Ct /St
Australia            3  56   7     1812  112     8     4 36.98  30   2
Australia XI         1  17   3      634 100*     3     1 45.29   9
New South Wales      6 101  20     3303  200    15     6 40.78  73   2
Pakistan             1  14   4      659 125*     4     2  65.9  12   1
Queensland           7 128  19     3324 161*    12     6  30.5  69   2
South Australia      6 116  16     3575 189*    17     4 35.75  42
Tasmania             6  89  13     2817 161*    15     4 37.07  55   1
Victoria             5  77  12     2524  205    16     4 38.83  45   1
Western Australia    7 129  17     3739  139    12     9 33.38  70   1
West Indies          6 110  14     3453  277    16     8 35.97  61   1

Bowling
  Team    M  Overs  Mdns   Runs   Wkts   Avge    5  10  Best  S/R  RPO
A         2 530.67    120   1562     48 32.54    2     7-52  66.3 2.94
A XI      1    164     31    595     15 39.67          4-104 65.6 3.63
NSW       6 1093.2    228   3593    103 34.88    3     6-104 63.7 3.29
Pak       1 171.33     29    658     17 38.71          4-70  60.5 3.84
QLD       7   1143    281   3534    114    31    4     6-59  60.2 3.09
SA        6    951    207   3037     63 48.21    1     5-42  90.6 3.19
Tas       6 1056.5    237   3408     91 37.45    2     5-48  69.7 3.23
Vic       5 897.83    214   2447     74 33.07    3     6-83  72.8 2.73
WA        7 1143.3    207   3783    101 37.46    4     6-71  67.9 3.31
WI        6 1165.7    220   3323     86 38.64    2     5-66  81.3 2.85
From: ynesiah@skat.usc.edu (Yogala Nesiah)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Standard of SL U-24's Opposition in RSA
Date: 22 Jan 1993 07:39:25 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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SL U-24 in South Africa:

Would either Feroz or Peter rate the opposition faced by  the touring
Sri Lanka U-24 team.
For instance, how strong was the Western Province Team that got bundled out
for 62 runs?


- Vasee
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From: an5812@anon.penet.fi (BRITISH PUPPIE)
Subject: Chandrasekhar and Prasanna
Organization: Anonymous contact service
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 01:59:46 GMT


Can anyone tell me which states Chandrasekhar and Prasannaplayed for, before and while they were in the national
team ?

thanks

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From: farrell@coral.cs.jcu.edu.au (John Farrell)
Subject: Re: 1980s Dream Teams Matchup
Organization: James Cook University
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:33:47 GMT

In <1993Jan21.024303.24770@samba.oit.unc.edu> Sanjay.Naik@launchpad.unc.edu (Sanjay Naik) writes:
>In article <farrell.727571222@coral> farrell@coral.cs.jcu.edu.au (John Farrell) writes:
>>  This is taking things a bit far! Sid Barnes scored 234 in a test match, what
>>does he have to do to be as good as Hadlee?

>I reckon you've got the wrong Barnes there. That was S.G. Barnes who scored
>234 in a test. The original poster is referring to S.F.Barnes, the great
>England bowler.

  Never heard of him, give me S.G. any day. Two Sid Barnes, must remember
that. Two Wayne Phillips, must remember that too.


Friendless, who suspected as much.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: sbasu@sulu (BASU)
Subject: Re: The best ever Test  XIs
Keywords: New Zealand squad modified
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:21:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.222219.6280@grace.cri.nz> howard@grace.cri.nz  
(Howard Silby) writes:
 
> Good try if your not a New Zealander but it looks like an `NZ 70s and  
80s team'
> not an all time great XI.

Thanks! I concede that I don't know much about NZ teams before then. But  
knowing what I know about Burgess & Congdon, I would not like to exclude  
them.       

 To which you might respond "But NZ hardly won any
> matches before then".

That wasn't a consideration when I made my XI.

 This is true. But for a brief period decades before NZ
> had a strong team which most certainly would have beaten England in  
England had
> they not accorded them the absurdity of 3 day tests. (all tests were  
drawn
> not surprisingly).
> Donnely was regarded as the best left-hander in the world immediately
> post WWII, Dempster was world class. Both have 50+ test averages. Among
> Donnely's greater achievements was a test double-century at Lords.
> Bradman was one of many who have paid tribute to Cowie's bowling.

Accepted. Given your list, this is my final XI

NEW ZEALAND
-----------             
Stu Dempster
Glen Turner      
Martin Donnely
Martin Crowe             
Bev Congdon            
Mike Burgess (vc)   
John Reid (c)           
Sir Richard Hadlee                                            
Ian Smith (wk)          Lance Cairns
Jack Cowie

Regards,
Scrooge 

> Regards,
> Howard
> Applied Mathematics Div.
> Gracefield Reseach Centre
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Subject: Re: CRICKET HUMOR !
From: WEABEP@DEVAX1 (Peter ABELA)
Date: 25 Jan 93 10:04:26 +1000
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In <C14us4.CMD@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> jlaranha@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu writes:

> 
> ....There are many tales of W.Grace, a personality not averse
> to bending the rules to suit his own ends.
>       On one occasion, he was guest player against a village team. Their 
> fast bowler charged up and with his first ball uprooted Grace's middle
> stump. Grace fixed a piercing eye on him.
>       ' A very good trial ball,' he said. ' And now let us begin !'.......... 
> 
Reminds me of another W.G. Grace quote. On being bowled in an exhibition match,
WG replaced the stumps, and said to the bowler, "The people have come to watch
me bat, not you bowl."


The Speaker.

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From: SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu (Spaceman Spiff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Leading Test Averages.
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:57:25 GMT
 <93025.224111SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu> <C1GwMn.29K@cs.uiuc.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

In article <C1GwMn.29K@cs.uiuc.edu>, bharat@cs.uiuc.edu (R. Bharat Rao) says:
>
>Spaceman, you are making, IMO, a common error when judging Ian Botham.
oh no, i'm not. botham was one of the best test players of all time (i'm
assuming his test career is over). however, the reasons for my comments are
mentioned below.
>
>And there is another curious fact about Imran -- was he ever really an
>all-rounder?  before this appals people let me explain.  In the early 80s
>he was a superb bowler, and a so-so bat.  In the late 80s he was a very
>good bat (top 10 in the world rankings?) but his bowling was at best
>above average....  Due to injury, here was a very short time when
>Imran was great with the bat and the ball at the same time...
>
well, he definitely was an all-rounder between 82 and 84. then he had his
injury problem. then in his last english tour he performed magnificently
with both bat and ball.
>
>This is the way I see it -- you are remembering Imran the bowler
>in 1982, and combining him with Imran the bat in 1989
>-- IMHO, you can;t have both at once.
that was never my intention. i was discussing a player who could make the
test team either as a batsman or a bowler. imran would definitely make the
team as a bowler. and based on his performance since 1981 or so(when he
scored his 1st test 100), he would make the team as a pure batsman as well.
if i wanted to select a pure all-rounder, i probably would go with botham-
or sir gary sobers.

Stay cool,
Spaceman Spiff

Non illegitimati carborundum          Don't let the bastards get you down
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From: ccrob@uqvax.cc.uq.oz.au (Rob McMillan)
Subject: Re: 1980s Dream Teams Matchup
Organization: University of Queensland
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:17:47 GMT

In article <farrell.727571222@coral>, farrell@coral.cs.jcu.edu.au (John Farrell) writes:
> In <del.727498197@hawk> del@hawk.adied.oz.au (D Elson) writes:
>>vr@cs.brown.edu (Viswanath Ramachandran) writes:
> 
>>I'd only make one change -- replace Richards with Bradman as captain.
>>I was never impressed with Richards' captaincy.  If you wanted to bat
>>a bit further down the order, you could replace Barnes or Grimmett
>>with Hadlee or Imran.
> 
>   This is taking things a bit far! Sid Barnes scored 234 in a test match, what
> does he have to do to be as good as Hadlee?
> 
> Friendless

And you have to admire a man who can play 15 years of Test cricket, and still
manage to make a comeback 30 years later!

--
Rob.
From: RAHULI@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (RAHUL INDRAYAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Recall Maninder
Date: 26 Jan 1993 05:40:32 GMT
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During the last few domestic matches Mani performance has been excellent. His batting has improved 100 times. His bowling is still deadly.
So I suggest to the Indian Board to recall Maninder, the great
Rahul
From: KSRAO@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: WI after 30 minutes
Date: 22 Jan 1993 18:59:55 -0600
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After 30 minutes, WI are:  26 -   after 7 overs
Haynes 10 and Simmons 8, one a very good shot through square leg, another a
lucky uppish shot thriugh point.
Haynes hit a very good square cut for 4

00:20 GMT on 23-1-93  (7:20 pm EST on 1-22-1993)

    WI/AusAdelaide test is comong on thesatellite G6 Channel 20 - startsat
00:30 GMT

Warne and May in Dodemaide 12 th man. Langer in
Benjamin in, Adams out Walsh in.


Richie won the toss and will bat
From: govindra@maya.rutgers.edu (S Govindarajan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: QUESTION ABOUT GAVASKAR
Summary: Srikkanth Vs Holland
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:52:09 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <93021.000032SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu>, SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu (Spaceman Spiff) writes:
> i'm pretty sure that david hookes hit 4 consecutive 4's off tony greig in
> the centenary test.

Aaahhh!!! It all comes back to me. Wasn't this match shown on one of
"Sunny Gavaskar Presents" episode in DD back home?

> srikkanth hit 4 successive balls for 6,6,6 and 4 off bob holland in 85-86.
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I think it was more like 4 4's and a 6, the sequence being 444064. I'm
not very sure of this.

> 
> Stay cool,
> Spaceman Spiff
> 
> Non illegitimati carborundum          Don't let the bastards get you down

Govind
email: govindra@maya.rutgers.edu
From: evan@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Evan Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: WI Physical Assault? - Not! (was Re: Pak win by 33)
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:31:20 GMT
	<1993Jan20.184041.14786@maths.nott.ac.uk>
	<1993Jan21.194806.11435@vax.oxford.ac.uk>
	<1993Jan26.153938.10329@maths.nott.ac.uk>
Reply-To: evan@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Evan Harris)
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

On 26 Jan 93 15:39:38 GMT, anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker) said:

> In article <1993Jan21.194806.11435@vax.oxford.ac.uk> mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk
> writes [and writes and writes -- more than 300 lines ...]:

mcbean> A bouncer hits you in the chest (protected nowadays) or on the
mcbean> helmet, if you are an inept batsman.

If you are inept, then you will be hit (eventually).  True.
If you are hit, then you are inept.  False.

For example, a pitch with variable bounce can cause real problems if
balls just short of a good length can rise between the knee and the
head (say).  What do you do?  Play for the hook and get out
bowled/lbw, or play for it to go low and get hit in the head?  There
isn't any way to cover both options and not get hit occasionally.
This doesn't make you inept.

anw> Ironically, we read only yesterday about the Australian
anw> battering.  Boon, scarcely inept or lacking in moral fibre, was
anw> hit on the arm and lucky to suffer only bruising.  More
anw> seriously, according to reports, new batsman Langer was hit on
anw> the helmet and concussed [the helmet split]; next ball, Bishop
anw> bounced one at his head, and was roundly booed by the crowd.  If
anw> the reports are substantially true, I don't think *anyone* who
anw> was involved [Australian physio, who should have got Langer to
anw> hospital for observation, Bishop or the umpires] comes out of
anw> that with much credit.

Fortunately, Langer was not concussed, though the helmet did split.
He was hit in the head a couple of weeks ago fielding in close (the
ball went between the visor and peak of the helmet and hit him above
the eye) and was concussed, I believe.

Bishop did bowl a bouncer towards his head next ball, and was roundly
booed.

--
Evan Harris                                     evan@cs.mu.OZ.AU
Dept of Computer Science, The University of Melbourne, Australia
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Subject: WI/Aus T4 D1 Tea
Date: 23 Jan 1993 00:04:21 -0600
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Lara is just out caught by Healy off McD 52 - Aus 6 for 189

WI are 5 for 181 (at tea). Lara is 45 no and Murray 24 no
Arthurton was out for zero, Hooper for 2 and Haynes for 45.
30 minutes of the game was lost before tea and 30 minutes after tea (due to
rain).

WI are 2 for 100 at Lunch. Haynes 39 and Richardson 0. The fall of wickets are
84,99. There will be no updates - probably after lunch.

Simmons c Hughes b SWaugh 46  (8 fours). 
There are 14 boundaries - including three all run boundaries.
At lunch WI are  
Hughes got Richie out lbw  for 2. Rich 99 for 2 

After 90 minutes, WI are:  none for 81, Haynes 23, Simm Simm 46: 23 overs, I
think.

83extras in a Sheffield Shield game if noballs count for 4

At drinks in the first session - WI are   none for 62, Haynes 12, Simmons 40
and 16 overs are bowled.

Straight drive off McD for a four all 
run and a three straight drive.

In the fifth over of McD, Simmons hit two fours thrugh gully, one an uppish
shot and and beautifully hit four along the ground. McD was relieved and Steve
Waugh came and had a maiden over. Later, Simmons hit a straight drive off Waugh
for a four.

WI got their 50 in 50 minutes off 77 balls. They seem to be scoring the first
hour ad an ODI. Haynes is very tentative and is lucky to be stll at the crease.

After 30 minutes, WI are:  26 -   after 7 overs
Haynes 10 and Simmons 8, one a very good shot through square leg, another a
lucky uppish shot thriugh point.
Haynes hit a very good square cut for 4

00:20 GMT on 23-1-93  (7:20 pm EST on 1-22-1993)

    WI/AusAdelaide test is comong on thesatellite G6 Channel 20 - startsat
00:30 GMT

Warne and May in Dodemaide 12 th man. Langer in
Benjamin in, Adams out Walsh in.


Richie won the toss and will bat