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From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.buaf,alt.fan.warlord
Subject: Re: New signature
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:33:17 GMT
Organization: Danish Trainspotter Society

echeverr@chaph.usc.edu (5150) writes:

>Hey guys, like my new .sig? Great, isn't it?

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>RUSH are way, way kool!!!

Go away and don't come back before that BUAF has shadows and comes
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From: milliken@athena.cs.uga.edu (Brewmeister)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.gooley,alt.politics.gooley,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Short shameful confession
Date: 30 Jul 92 03:19:18 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <g0nm_sl.gooley@netcom.com> gooley@netcom.com (Mark. Gooley) writes:
>In article <BceooB1w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
>>I am often seized by a ghastly desire to poke cruel fun at Markian Gooley.
>>
>>Most recently, I found myself incredibly tempted to start a "Gooley for Pope"
>>thread, on the off-chance that John Paul II was about to kick the bucket.
>>After all, I reasoned, Gooley has the three most important qualifications for
>>a Pope.

Which are what?

   1.  Being catholic
   2.  Being filthy rich
   3.  Owning at least one gaudy, post-hole-digger hat.

>
>Go ahead.
>
>Poke cruel fun at me.
>
>Carasso does it.

Who gives a frog's fat ass what Carasso does?

>
>You all secretly either dislike me or don't give a damn about me.

Hey Mark:  Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

>
>Mark., disqualified from being Pope because I have the backing neither of
>God nor even the College of Cardinals

Why would you want to be the Pope?  He dresses in things even Liberace would  
have found gaudy.
>gooley@netcom.com


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From: lchang@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Origins of Eddings' different peoples
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:09:23 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <9220521.29430@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, crmilton@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Christopher Robert MILTON) writes:
> 	Noticed someone mention how Tolkein based his stories
> on Norse mythology or something and just thought I'd mention where
> I think Eddings' gets the basis for all his races : from different 
> peoples all over the Earth in different time periods...
> 
> 	I'll elaborate. This is just where I've always thought all the
> different races derive from...
> 
> 	Chereks	:	Vikings (obviously - need I say more)
	I don't think anyone could quite debate this one... :)	

> 	Drasnians :	Russians (cold, northern, secretive place)
	I never thought of Russians, but now that you mention it....

> 	Nadraks :	Middle East/Arabs (they're almost gypsy-like, they
> 			own their women - and these women belly dancy)
	Except for the fact they live in cold weather....

> 	Arends :	English Middle Ages (the Knights joust etc., the 
> 			Asturians are like Robin Hood and his archers)
> 	Tolnedrans :	Ancient Rome (they have legions of troops, political
> 			intrigue, an emporer and bath houses!)
	I don't really think one could say much on this...

> 	Nyissans :	The Orient (drugs, slave trade)
	Hmm... Yeah, I gues that would be the closest relationship...

> 	Algarians :	American Indians (horses, pony tail of Hettar!)
	Well, if I remember correctly, American Indians didn't get
horses until europeans arrived. Anyway, I don't think American Indians
used sabers and the lake. Maybe the turks.... ?
> 
> 	I haven't really thought about the other races yet though I think 
> somewhere/when on Earth could apply.  This is just a theory I thought
> up anyway...

	Murgos:		???? I dunno. I think most of the Angaraks are
			more or less a creation.

	Anyway, Feldegast (a.k.a. Beldin) was quite obviously Irish,
doncha' know? :) 

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> 
> 	Any views?
> 	Chris.
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From: greg@pomona.claremont.edu (Tigger)
Subject: Re: changing history (was Eddings vs. Tolkien)
Organization: Pomona College
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:46:38 PDT

In article <matth.0ybm@terapin.com>, matth@terapin.com (Matt Houlahan) writes:
> 
>   If you look into the Belgariad enough, you'll see that Eddings was basically
> making up the story as he went along, and throwing in little sub-plots with it.

I'm afraid that you're wrong on this one.  Eddings spent the better part
of a decade planning out The Belgariad in minute detail before he actually
wrote any prose.  When Eddings submitted his ideas to get a publishing
contract, it was the most detailed outline Lester Del Rey had ever seen.

> I don't have my books with me right now (they're at home and I'm stuck here),
> but if you remember how the Mrin Codex's prophecy developed. First, Plogara
> said it obsucrely mentions "the bear, the rat, and the man who will live
> twice." then they add a few more characters, and finally at the end we have the
> Knight Protector, the Bowman (who didn't do diddly), the Mother of the Race who
> had died, etc, etc. 

There are no changes in the Mrin Codex version of the prophecy during the
course of the series.  Eddings simply reveals more and more as time goes
on.  Would you have prefered that he spelled everything out in the first
chapter?

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From: jhpace@eos.ncsu.edu (The Paladin Knight)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Origins of Eddings' different peoples
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:55:35 GMT
Reply-To: jhpace@eos.ncsu.edu (Jerrold H. Pace)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: jhpace@c00562-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu


Posted:

     	Noticed someone mention how Tolkein based his stories
     on Norse mythology or something and just thought I'd mention where
     I think Eddings' gets the basis for all his races : from different 
     peoples all over the Earth in different time periods...

	I'll elaborate. This is just where I've always thought all the
     different races derive from...

     	     Chereks:	Vikings (obviously - need I say more)	
	     Drasnians: Russians (cold, northern, secretive place)
	     Nadraks :	Middle East/Arabs (they're almost gypsy-like, they
			own their women - and these women belly dancy)
	     Arends :	English Middle Ages (the Knights joust etc., the 
			Asturians are like Robin Hood and his archers)
	     Tolnedrans:Ancient Rome (they have legions of troops, political
			intrigue, an emporer and bath houses!)
	     Nyissans :	The Orient (drugs, slave trade)
 	     Algarians:	American Indians (horses, pony tail of Hettar!)

This was disscussed about a month ago already.  The viewpoints of the replies
agreed that any list of people could be put together, with a few major peoples
listed.  Such as Egyptians, American Indians, English, etc.  Eddings just
wrote of peoples that a reader could identify and be familiar with.

I'm sure that the other readers will post their lists - I erased mine by
accident.

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From: stud5s32@bnr.ca (Paul Smelters)
Subject: Re: Pet hates of Eddings' work!
Organization: Bell Northern Research
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:43:16 GMT

Yeah, I've noticed a lot of technical inconsistencies in Eddings' works
too.  Mind you, I think they're good bedtime reading...

Like in the Belgariad (Castle of Wizardry to be exact) when Garion becomes
the Rivan King, Eddings specifically states that Brand takes his staff of 
office from his oldest son, Bralon.

But in the Malloreon, Eddings' also specifically states that Brand only
had 4 sons; Olban, Kail, Verdun, and one other (Brin, I think) but Bralon 
isn't mentioned and Verdun was stated to be the oldest son.

I spent a lot of time trying to figure that one out.

Ash
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From: casmacin@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Sean MacIntosh)
Subject: Eddings Mush
Originator: casmacin@atlas.cs.upei.ca
Organization: University of Prince Edward Island
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 10:40:45 GMT



Greetings,

I seem to remember not long ago some one posting a message stating that
there was an Eddings MUSH (MUD, etc) out there somewhere.  I am interested
in signing on but I don't know the site name or port number.  

Unfortunately for the last number of days my news port has not been acting
very stable so if this message DOES get posted to the list and if some one
has a reply to my question, I would appreciate a reply directly to my email
address.  casmacin@atlas.cs.upei.ca

Thanks in advance for any replies!!  ;-)

Sean MacIntosh
Another Eddings Fan
casmacin@atlas.cs.upei.ca


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From: thumim@nevada.edu (Scrooge McDuck)
Subject: Re: New Subject: Sendaria
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 20:18:17 GMT

In article <76906@ut-emx.uucp> chris@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Chris Casey) writes:
>Well, on a new & different topic, I've been wondering something.  Each kingdom
>pretty much had their respective gods: Aloria (Riva, Cherek, Drasnia, & Algaria)
>had Belar, Arendia had Chaldan, Tolnedra had Nedra, Ulgoland had UL, Nyissa had
>Issa, Maragor had Mara, the Angarak kingdoms had Torak, & of course the Socerers
>(Belgarath, Beldin, Polgara, et all) had Aldur.  So where does that put 
>Sendaria?  I mean, it was at *least* as old as Riva Iron-Grip, according to the
>prologue in Pawn of Prophecy.  Well, just looking for insight....
>
Well, I believe that Sendaria was created as a buffer between the
Alorns and the Tolnedrans and Arends.  It is part of Aloria, though.

Pace.
Jon
From: crs@castle.ed.ac.uk (C R Smart)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Tolkien vs. Eddings (rankings)
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:51:55 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

podesta@qut.edu.au writes:

>    2. Terry Brooks

>    Brilliant stuff - Magician trilogy and its surrounding novels, and
>    even "Magic Kingdom for sale/sold" trilogy was excellent reading.

Are you sure that you have the right (write:-) author?  Terry Brooks
wrote the "Shannara" series of books.  Raymond E. Feist wrote
"Magician", "Silverthorn" etc.

>James.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Eddings vs. Tolkien
From: glngar01@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:34:35 +0200
Organization: University of Cape Town

In article <1992Jul21.161429.202061@uctvax.uct.ac.za>, vhspet01@uctvax.uct.ac.za (Peter van Heusden) writes:
> As for the characters: Well, obviously many of Tolkien's characters are not as
> human as Eddings', since they aren't human. OK. I hate Elves too, and 
> believe that Tolkien made a stylistic and thematic error in presenting them
> as he did, but overall, I, and I believe most of the fantasy reading community,
> would give the mastership awards to Tolkien, and applaud Eddings as the 
> writer of a interesting little comic ditty.
> 
> Peter
  OK Peter, if you think I'm being stingy with MY 'slap chips' which I buy
  for MY lunch and *ALWAYS* let YOU have some, tell ME!!!

Jeez, it's amazing to see there are those who DO bight the hand that feeds *IT*

  GARY
  
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From: crs@castle.ed.ac.uk (C R Smart)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Eddings vs. Tolkien
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:44:13 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

Too often writers are compared to Tolkien when all they have done is
write a sequence of books.

There is no way that I would consider the work of Eddings to have the
imaginative volume that the work of Tolkien has.  The characters in
Eddings work are fairly shallow with the possible exceptions of Silk
and Barak.  None of the characters in his latest(?) triolgy "The
Ellenium" carry much weight.

All the above aside I still enjoy his work particularly "The
Belgariad."

The only two authors that I can think to compare with Tolkien are
Frank Herbert for his Dune sequence and Stephen Donaldson for "The
Chronicles of Thomas Covenent".

And the winner is...

Colin.

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From: goosen@cc.und.ac.za (Chris Goosen)
Subject: Re: alt.fan.eddings
Organization: University Of Natal (Durban)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 06:13:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.173508.202050@uctvax.uct.ac.za> glngar01@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes:
>From: glngar01@uctvax.uct.ac.za
>Subject: alt.fan.eddings
>Date: 20 Jul 92 17:35:08 +0200

>I'M GLAD TO SEE THIS NEWSGROUP.
>IN MY OPINION,EDDINGS IS THE MASTER OF FANTASY(EVEN BETTER THAN TOLKIEN-A SOUTH
>AFRICAN BY BIRTH I SHOULD TELL YOU.)
>HE PUTS SO MUCH LIFE INTO HIS CHARACTERS THAT THEY AQUIRE TRUELY HUMAN
>TRAITS & QUIRKS.
>IF YOU REALLY ENJOY HIS WORK YOU WOULD NOT EVEN SEE THE ERRORS (AT LEAST FIRST
>TIME ROUND) AS YOU WOULD BECX  TOO INVOLVED IN THE STORY TO NOTICE OR EVEN
>CARE.
>ACCEPT THE ERRORS AS A PART OF BEING HUMAN AND FORGET THEM.

>GARY GLEN-YOUNG   UCT,CAPE TOWN,SOUTH AFRICA

Errors....What Errors.

Yes I agree, Eddings' characters are amazingly life-like, I rather like Silk 
myself.
From: lchang@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Eddings vs. Tolkien
Date: 25 Jul 92 23:57:36 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

>>>> IN MY OPINION,EDDINGS IS THE MASTER OF FANTASY(EVEN BETTER THAN TOLKIEN-A SOUTH
>>>> AFRICAN BY BIRTH I SHOULD TELL YOU.)
>>>
>>>Heresy! How can you say this! I do not have the time to discuss this in full,
>>>but to even compare Eddings and Tolkien on the same scale is ludicrous. Eddi
ngs

> Now I will add my humble opinion ;) to this chain.  Personally I think
> that the Belgariad and the Mallorion rank way above Tolkien in quality
> and pure enjoyability.  I don't mean to belittle Tolkien, because if it
> wasn't for him there probably wouldn't even be a Belgariad.  Tolkien was
> the first author that I know of that took fantasy as something more than
> pulp novels to be churned out for a quick profit.  On the other hand, I 
> really hope that David Eddings isn't abanoning these characters that he
> created, or thier world.  There are plenty of stories left to be told,
> before Belgarion was born, and about now that the prophecies are complete.

	Ok, I don't know if I have any real right to contribute to this
conversation; I haven't ever read any JRR Tolkien (maybe I'll get around to
it someday), but I thought I would like to have my 2 bits' worth.
	Point is, IMHO, the Belgariad (and the Mallorean even), are 10
of the best reads I've ever had. I think Eddings is a good writer, or, at
least, a good story teller. Okay, maybe it won't be a literary classic
to remember and treasure for 1000 years to come, but it's a good story,
like James Clavell books. And it's far from some of the trash cheap authors
are turning out nowadays.
	I, too, hope that Eddings won't abandon these characters (tho'
I have to say, the Mallorean wasn't very open-ended). I think Eddings
has a good potential plot in the past (Belgarath and Polgara), aand also
in Hell (literally). In the Seeress of Kell, the voice in Garion's
head said the Hell is totally different universe from their own, so...
Some crisis with the Lord o' Hell, and there ya go! :)

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From: wardw@CS.ColoState.EDU (william bradley ward)
Subject: Re: changing history (was Eddings vs. Tolkien)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:28:01 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University

>Actually, The Mallorean did butcher The Belgariad in the sense that it
>invalidated one of the central pieces of the story.  Eddings makes it
>*very* clear in The Belgariad that the meeting of the Child of Light and
>the Child of Dark is going to be *THE* event that will put the universe
>back on track or send it into chaos forever.  This is stated in totally
>unequivocal terms, on more than one occasion.  If anyone doesn't believe
>that, let me know and I'll go home and get my books and give you the
>quotes.
>

I disagree.  After reading both series MANY times, I believe that Eddings only
led us to believe that the meeting with Torak was the last.  Throughout
the Belgariad this event was mentioned, but it was always mentioned kind of
obscurely.  I don't believe that it was stated anywhere in the Belgariad
 on "unequivocal terms."

Brad
From: wardw@CS.ColoState.EDU (william bradley ward)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: changing history (was Eddings vs. Tolkien)
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:36:45 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University

>>Actually, The Mallorean did butcher The Belgariad in the sense that it
>>invalidated one of the central pieces of the story.  Eddings makes it
>>*very* clear in The Belgariad that the meeting of the Child of Light and
>>the Child of Dark is going to be *THE* event that will put the universe
>>back on track or send it into chaos forever.  This is stated in totally
>>unequivocal terms, on more than one occasion.  If anyone doesn't believe
>>that, let me know and I'll go home and get my books and give you the
>>quotes.
>>
>

Towards the end of the Belgariad, just as Torak died, Eddings specifically
stated that the spirit of the Child of Dark "fled".  I could probably find a quote to that.  

Brad
From: podesta@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: more changing history.
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:56:43 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology

Just posting to say that there was a slight blunder with my last posting.
I got Terry Brooks mixed up with R.E.Feist, both of who rate highly with me.


I also agree with the current trend of thought about the mallorean.
I don't like how it suddenly, completely belittled the quest in the first
series. If there are all these meetings between Child of Dark and Child of
Light, why bother winning any of them until the last one? I'd be interested
to know if the Child of Dark has ever won one of the meetings.

James.
From: greg@pomona.claremont.edu (Tigger)
Subject: Re: Transfer to the big (or little?) screen
Organization: Pomona College
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:22:58 PDT

In article <BPOSTOW.92Jul16015228@occs.cs.oberlin.edu>, bpostow@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Brian Postow) writes:
> HEY, animation is not just for kids anymore, look at the ads for Cool
> World. I am not saying anything pro or con to the movie, but from the
> ads, it LOOKS like it deserves an R rating. i thing that the raters
> thought "HEY< it is a cartoon, we can't give it an R, so we will give
> it a PG 13" but I think it deserved an R, it is not for kids.

_Cool World_ was done by Ralph Bakshi, coincidently the same one who
did the animated movie of _Lord of the Rings_.  If you really want a
good example of an adult cartoon, check out his first film, _Fritz
the Cat_.  It was rated X, and yes the characters do have graphic
sex.  Even _Roger Rabbit_ wasn't exactly a kid's movie...

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From: matth@terapin.com (Matt Houlahan)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Eddings on TV!
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:10:45 GMT
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Jul26.153938.29376@sdf.lonestar.org>, steve@sdf.lonestar.org
(Steve Fuller) writes:
>Well, his book at least...
>
>a girl reading Diamond Throne actually. A PBS show called Degrassi High.
>
>Steve Fuller
>steve@sdf.lonestar.org

  ACK! Degrassi High? I HATED that show. We were forced to watch it in Junior
high Skills class. 
  Bleck! It hasn't been taken off the air yet?
There `aint no justice anymore...

Matt Houlahan  matth2terapin.com  Berkeley, CA 
***** "Hey, was that ANOTHER earthquake?" *****
From: timo@terapin.com (Tim Oravasaari)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.eddings
Subject: Re: Animation or Movie
Date: 21 Jul 92 10:53:31 GMT
Organization: BBS

In article <ms.0t24@terapin.com>, ms@terapin.com (Benjamin Craycraft) writes:
>In article <timo.0suc@terapin.com>, timo@terapin.com (Tim Oravasaari) writes:
>>  I agree that maybe the Belgariad series should be put in either an animated
>>or tv format, but as most adaptions go, I doubt we'll get the same pleasure
in
>>watching it than in reading it. For one thing, we all seem to have a bunch of
>>different views of the characters...
>
>   I agree. We all have different views of how people looked and what the
>places are like, and no matter how good the movie or animated film was, we
>still would be less than ecstatic because the directors or whatever would have
>used a different view than we liked. I think everyone would say that the books
>were better. Hey, Tim, look at my origin line. Small world, eh?

  I think that calls for your basic <Grin> eh Ben? hehe. 

  BTW, didnt know you we're into Eddings. So you do have taste then eh? =)

 Anyways, I think it would still be a good to go into either a movie or
animated format because even if the movie isnt what we expect in characters, we
may still enjoy it (and still have our own different views if we like)...
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