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From: mattair@sun44.synercom.hounix.org (Charles Mattair)
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,comp.org.eff.talk,soc.culture.usa,alt.activism
Subject: Re: E-Mail Access to Congress (Was Re: Clinton Office Requests Comments
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:52:41 GMT
Organization: Synercom Technology, Inc., Houston, TX

In article <-=b=gaA@engin.umich.edu> ronda@ais.org (Ronda Hauben) writes:
>
>The point is that Congress has email access among itself but the 
>public is barred from that access.
>
>We're paying for Congress's email access and we are barred from it.
>

In article <4JAN199309385422@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu>,
		mitcheec@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (Elliott Mitchell) writes:
> Good Idea.  What's the address again...  BTW, in a previous life when I was 
> a cable television activist, I tried to get Senator Al Gore's D.C. fax 
> number and was told, in no uncertain terms, that it wasn't for public use.  
> Harraumph.  Next time I pay my taxes I just may deduct that portion of then 
> that I believe go to buy him fax paper <arf!>

Decided to see what my congresscritters had to say about this.  First call to
Mike Andrews (Bentsen's replacement, almost).  Nobody had ever heard of the
Internet (sheesh).  Try Phil Gramm and spoke to their systems manager.

EMail - I really couldn't tell but I got the impression Congress really doesn't
think it's on the net.  The idea of connections to an untrustworthy (that is,
non-governmental) site was unthinkable.  He did tell me they all have CC:Mail
but it was strictly intra-congress.  Comment from Andrews office was "We all
have Lotus and WordPerfect."

FAX - they would like to but....  The perception is there are too many of us
out here with FAXs, computers and money to pay phone bills.  He related the
story of one congressman who decided to keep in touch with his district by
FAX - after six weeks of 24 hours a day, they turned the machine off and
changed the phone number.  Gramm has a machine for use by the public (I was
given the number) - they give it out if you ask for it but will not volunteer
it.
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Any opinions offered are my own and do not reflect those of my employer.
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Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,comp.org.eff.talk
From: ae547@yfn.ysu.edu (Ronda Hauben)
Subject: Re: [misc.activism.progressive]  Clinton Office Requests Comments
Reply-To: ae547@yfn.ysu.edu (Ronda Hauben)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:10:57 GMT


ae547@yfn.ysu.edu (Ronda Hauben) says:


In a previous article, mitcheec@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (Elliott Mitchell) says:

>In article <1i8r1lINNlke@pongo.West.Sun.COM>, 
>johnch@smaug.West.Sun.COM (John Chandler [Contractor]) writes...
>>In article <30DEC199221400138@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu> 

>>mitcheec@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (Elliott Mitchell) writes:
>Good Idea.  What's the address again...  BTW, in a previous life when I was 
>a cable television activist, I tried to get Senator Al Gore's D.C. fax 
>number and was told, in no uncertain terms, that it wasn't for public use.  
>Harraumph.  Next time I pay my taxes I just may deduct that portion of then 
>that I believe go to buy him fax paper <arf!>

And now Congress is claiming that the public (i.e. their constituents)
are NOT allowed to have their email addresses.

Fax numbers are now available (aren't they?) - But Email Addresses
to Congress are not available despite the fact that the public is 
paying for Congress to have a network that they deny the public access
to.
    ronda


>
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Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp
From: ae547@yfn.ysu.edu (Ronda Hauben)
Subject: Re: Internet Connection to Congress
Reply-To: ae547@yfn.ysu.edu (Ronda Hauben)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 04:02:27 GMT


In a previous article, ae547@yfn.ysu.edu (Ronda Hauben) says:

>
>
>I found this posted in misc.activism.progressive.
> Does anyone know anything about it?
>
>  It would be good to know what the email addresses are, then we can
>help Congress test them.
> 
>In a previous article, rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu (Rich Winkel) says:
>
>>/** pn.announcemen: 50.0 **/
>>** Topic: Internet Connection to Congress **
>>** Written 10:38 pm  Jan  1, 1993 by peacenet in cdp:pn.announcemen **
>>~From: <peacenet>
>>~Subject: Internet Connection to Congress
>>
>>/* Written 11:10 pm  Dec 30, 1992 by jlohrmann@igc.apc.org in igc:elections.usa */
>>~From: <jlohrmann>
>>~Comments:     Originally-From: loeb@ai.mit.edu (Eric Loeb)
>>~From: Lee Sakkas <URLS@MARISTC.BITNET>
>>~Subject:      News from Eric Loeb on Congress/Internet connectivity
>>
>>This came this morning from Eric Loeb at MIT via one of the
>>Clinton servers.  It is definitely a step in the right direction
>>and I think he has the right idea on how we can utilize our
>>skills to good advantage to help promote and nurture it.
>>Lee Sakkas
>>--------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------
>>
>>It turns out that all members of the House of Reps.
>>are going to have the option of accepting email over
>>an internet gateway to the House system as of January.
>>
>>The new House system (ISIS) will be released then.  It
>>is in test now.
>>
>>I would recommend that we all go out and volunteer to help
>>our local congressional district office with their
>>computers.  At some point we will also each need to take
>>some responsibility for getting a good lobbying effort
>>going within our districts, so that our congress-people
>>will know that the Internet connection is desired by the
>>constituents.
>>
>>
>>eric
>>
>>** End of text from cdp:pn.announcemen **
>>
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>Ronda Hauben                    email address:ae547@yfn.ysu.edu
>Amateur Computerist Newsletter              or
>P.O. Box 4344                   rhauben@heartland.bradley.edu
>Dearborn, MI 48126
>
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From: jak@panix.com (Jack Krueger)
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,soc.culture.usa,alt.activism
Subject: Re: E-Mail Access to Congress (Was Re: Clinton Office Requests Comments
Date: 9 Jan 93 17:29:45 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

In <WRf=q!=@engin.umich.edu> ronda@ais.org (Ronda Hauben) writes:


>I've gotten a postmaster address for email for Congress. It is
> Postmstr@hr.house.gov

>Anyone have any further info about particular representatives?

>      ronda
No I don't and am looking. Thanks for supplying what you have.
Jack
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp
From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine)
Subject: Re: E-Mail Access to Congress (Was Re: Clinton Office Requests Comments
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:30:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.192159.22462@panix.com> simona@panix.com (Simona Nass) writes:
>In <1993Jan02.015607.13246@hounix.org> wlarkin@hounix.org (Ward Larkin)
>writes:
>
>>The House election would become national, and voters would simply
>>cast a vote for a single political party.  Then each politcal party
>>would get to have the same percentage of representatives as they
>>received in the popular election.  A minimum percentage could be
>>set to qualify for any representatives, but my thought is that
>>approximately 1 per cent ( or four representatives ) would be a
>>good minimum.
>
>Hope I'm reading your suggestion correctly. I object to having people vote
>for House reps on the national level by party because it eliminates voter
>discretion. I want to know which *individial* will be representing me, not
>what party they belong to. I study their stances on issues and find
>combinations I can live with. It's not always clearly correlated with
>party.

Also consider the 'entrenchment' observed in todays congress would become
the way things would work!  Make sure you are in the upper third on the
party list, sit back and take office, who cares beyond that - make sure that
no major newspaper picks up on your Ted Kennedy-esque escapades and you
are in for life! [even if you *did* inhale! :)]

No thanks!  Party lists would just make the congress that much more
removed from the people!`

>Also, what about having several democrats running against each other and
>the benefits of choice among candidates? If % percent of the nation votes
>democrat, who decides which of the people running get to fill that spot?

Why not then abolish parties?

>How is it determined which person represents a particular voter? It is
>utterly demoralizing to talk with your representative and know he doesn't
>care about your pro-choice (e.g.) vote because it is another geographic
>area, with completely different demographics, that will continue to vote
>him into office.

Yea rah for Gerrymandering!`

>Voters must be able to control whether *that particular person* gets
>reelected, or else we lose even more accountability by legislators to the
>people who have to live with their decisions. Direct accountability to
>voters is vital to the integrity of some legislators and certainly the
>system's responsiveness to the public's needs, and I see your suggestion
>as weakening that connection. -S.

But I also would note that some of your sugestions might spell as much
chaos and corruption!

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Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,soc.culture.usa,alt.activism
From: marks@halcyon.com (Peter Marks)
Subject: Re: E-Mail Access to Congress (Was Re: Clinton Office Requests Comments
Reply-To: marks@halcyon.com
Organization: NCR Seattle Technology Center
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 14:54:49 GMT

jganson@stein.u.washington.edu (Jeffrey Ganson) writes:

>>I've gotten a postmaster address for email for Congress. It is
>> Postmstr@hr.house.gov

>Is this address for both the House and Senate?

1: whois house.gov

House Information Systems (HOUSE-DOM)
   House Annex II
   2nd and D Streets SW
   Washington DC 20515

   Domain Name: HOUSE.GOV

   Administrative Contact:
      Collins, Bud  (BC263)  bud@oxygen.HOUSE.GOV
      (202) 226-6280
   Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Schnizlein, John  (JS592)  johns@oxygen.HOUSE.GOV
      (202) 226-6290

   Record last updated on 14-Aug-92.

   Domain servers in listed order:

   NITROGEN.HOUSE.GOV		137.18.128.1
   ICM1.ICP.NET			192.94.207.66


To see this host record with registered users, repeat the command with
a star ('*') before the name; or, use '%' to show JUST the registered users.

2: whois senate.gov

No match for "SENATE.GOV".


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Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp
From: ckincy@cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy)
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,soc.culture.usa,alt.activism
Subject: Re: E-Mail Access to Congress (Was Re: Clinton Office Requests Comments
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:44:39 GMT
Followup-To: alt.amateur-comp,soc.culture.usa,alt.activism
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla, Rolla, MO

In article <JOHNCH.93Jan6165042@test22.sun.com> johnch@test22.sun.com (Where are the Prawns?) writes:
>You must have a truly nightmarish excuse for a mail reader.  With
[...]
>The only advantages of paper mail that I can think of are 1. you don't
>need a computer to read it and 2. you can use the huge pile of torn
>envelopes to start a nice fire.

Just the envelopes?  *grin*

P.S.:  The eff.net.police don't want this thread in *their* newsgroup.
Just thought I'd help out a bit with the follow-up line.

cpk
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Technology always seems to keep one step ahead of human wisdom.
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From: johnch@test22.sun.com (Where are the Prawns?)
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,comp.org.eff.talk,soc.culture.usa,alt.activism
Subject: Re: E-Mail Access to Congress (Was Re: Clinton Office Requests Comments
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:50:42 GMT
Organization: Impossible Missions Force
NNTP-Posting-Host: test22
In-reply-to: erwin@trwacs.fp.trw.com's message of 2 Jan 93 14:32:47 GMT

In article <erwin.725985167@trwacs> erwin@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Harry Erwin) writes:

   From: erwin@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Harry Erwin)
   Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,comp.org.eff.talk,soc.culture.usa,alt.activism
   Date: 2 Jan 93 14:32:47 GMT
   Organization: TRW Systems Division, Fairfax VA
   Lines: 11
   Xref: smaug.West.Sun.COM alt.amateur-comp:361 comp.org.eff.talk:5024 soc.culture.usa:6725 alt.activism:12957

   I doubt the White House would want its email addresses known. My son is
   working for the Transition Team filtering mail, and they're still trying
   to finish up November's intake. If the White House email address became
   known, they'd soon be snowed under with mail. Probably the same is true
   for Congress. With surface mail, the filtering is easier than if you have
   to go through each email message.

You must have a truly nightmarish excuse for a mail reader.  With
mine, I can display a single message much more quickly than I can open
an envelope, I don't have to decipher anyone's handwriting, and I can
throw it into the appropriate electronic pile with a few keystrokes.

And this applies to messages I actually read -- I believe I could
write software to sort email messages based either on the subject line
or the contents and route them to other people for further analysis.
I don't know at what rate this hypothetical software could process
messages, but I am sure it would be faster than any human at this
task.  Actually, I'd be surprised to discover that software like this
hasn't been developed by someone already, to a fair degree of
sophistication.

The only advantages of paper mail that I can think of are 1. you don't
need a computer to read it and 2. you can use the huge pile of torn
envelopes to start a nice fire.

-- John C
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp,news.misc
From: hauben@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Hauben)
Subject: Re: New Column Idea: Neat Notes from the Net
Keywords: Amateur Computerist Neat Note Children Kids
Reply-To: hauben@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Hauben)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:26:49 GMT


In article <1993Jan8.062050.27333@pegasus.com> you write:
>hauben@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Hauben) writes:
>
>>The other interesting newsgroup in this same vein is
>>alt.kids-talk. Again we see the same type of honest true-to-earth
>>discourse. It all seems like the beginning of yet more expansion
>>of the Net, both age and spatially-wise.
>
>Michael: I'm sure not looking for an argument but I wonder how you or
>for that matter anyone can describe alt.kids-talk as "honest and
>true-to-earth"... at least any moreso than any other newsgroup on the
>net.
>
>...
>Again, don't misunderstand me I'm not trying to start an argument, I just
>can't figure out where most of these unsubstantiated beliefs come from.
>
>It reminds me when people say things like "she is such a pretty little
>girl who would have thought she would shoplift ?"

First of all, I want to thank you for responding. And true,
honesty would be good throughout the age ranges. (I also didn't
mean to say that other people aren't honesty, but it does happen
on the net.) Some of the things I read were truthful. Kids saying
how Christmas vacation was "boring." The pure simple hinest truth
- not dressing it up anyway. Also kids saying how certain
teachers are bad, etc. It's also just great to see kids of all
ages (or lets say anything below college age, and in hopefully
some cases above a certain age too.) having access on the Net. I
started playing and learning about computers when I was 8, but
sadly didn't have net access. It is good to see a constantly
expanding audience and participation of a wider and wider range
of people all size, age and nationality. I don't know if I really
answered your question or not, but I still find it fresh to see
some pure honest somehow, that somehow doesn't seem slanted,
opinionated or otherwise from a certain angle. I dunno, maybe I
am wrong, but maybe I am not. :-)

>
>tom
>

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Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: E-Mail Access to Congress (Was Re: Clinton Office Requests Comments
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<JOHNCH.93Jan6165042@test22.sun.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:02:49 GMT

HE> == erwin@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Harry Erwin) writes:
JC> == Where are the Prawns? <johnch@test22.sun.com>

 HE> I doubt the White House would want its email addresses known. My son
 HE> is working for the Transition Team filtering mail, and they're still
 HE> trying to finish up November's intake.

 JC> You must have a truly nightmarish excuse for a mail reader.

I believe the transition team mail address is a CompuServe address; if
they're using the stock mail reader (instead of Navigator or Information
Manager or TAPCIS or somesuch program), then it probably *is* a "truly
nightmarish excuse for a mail reader" by our standards.

I managed to get through about 900 mail messages in a couple of sittings
(fairly long sittings :) upon returning from vacation.  It would have taken
longer if I'd tried to do it over a modem, though; the slower screen
redraws would have been painful.
--
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<ckd@eff.org>   EFF #14   |   for the TV generation, Klingon) high command.
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+1 617 864 0665  [CKD1]   |   --Peter da Silva <peter@ferranti.com>
Newsgroups: alt.amateur-comp
From: bbs.lar@tsoft.net (Larry Greenfield)
Subject: USENET BBSs
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 05:45:32 GMT

   Hi all. I know this is off the subject, but please, I
NEED YOUR HELP if you can help!
   I don't think I can afford to call long distance from the
LA area up to San Fransisco every day to get usenet/internet
anymore.  Does anyone have a list of public access
internet/usenet BBSs in the Orange County/Seal Beach area of
Southern California? --- in the (714) or (310) area codes?
   Please help if you can!  I've been on usenet for quite a
while now, and I find myself suddenly facing the prospect of
being without it.  Please email me if you can help in any
way!  I know there is some board in Stanton, but I don't
know the guest log-on or where to contact the sysop. 
Please, any information you might have would GREATLY be
appriciated!  Thanks very very much!   Please email me
(auto-respond, or mail to    bbs.lar@tsoft.net)  
   Thanks again!!!


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Larry Greenfield (bbs.lar@tsoft.net)
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
From: eng10406@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN KAR GEE)
Subject: Barbis
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:03:12 GMT

I saw the directory containing the GIFs of the Barbi twins in
erratic.bradley.edu but was unable to get in. The error message was
"Permission denied." Can anyone possibly help, either helping me to get
in or posting it in this newsgroup. Thanks.

KG Tan





Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
From: corsa@shell.portal.com (Eric Richard Elliott)
Subject: Re: Claudia Shiffer is going to be married?
Organization: Portal Communications Company
Distribution: alt
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 17:15:57 GMT

sorita@fhl.fujitsu.co.jp (Megumi Sorita) writes:


>Hi!
>Have all read TIME?
>It said that Claudia Shiffer and Prince Albert of Monaco are going to be 
>married.

>He is now 34 and she is now 22, and she said she's not going to be married
>so soon.



>Megumi Sorita
>sorita@fhl.fujitsu.co.jp

	Haven't read the TIME article, but this was reported in USA Today and
	my local newspaper about 2 or 3 weeks ago...she said the same thing.
	It was also the cover story of another magazine (which is where the
	reports in USA Today, etc. came from)...I think it was Vogue or 
	Mademoiselle or something...not sure which...anyone know for sure?

	Hmmm....Princess Claudia.


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From: tage@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Subject: Male AND Female height requirements for Modeling
Date: 6 Jan 93 02:15:58 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada







      just wonderin' what is the average height for a female model and a male 
model in the business of fashion modeling????
      Is there a specific height requirement for models (male and Female)???

      What about weight??? what is usually accepted here???

      Victor , maybe you can answer these questions!




                                                          Tony tage
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
From: cs922138@ariel.yorku.ca (MICHAEL R. ACAB)
Subject: Re: erika eleniak movie/tv roles?
Originator: cs922138@c02.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: york
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:54:57 GMT


>
>
>what movies/tv programs did erika eleniak have
>parts in? i know she was in under siege and bay watch.
>thanks.
>
>avik@icase.icase.edu

I think Erika will also be playing that blond chick from 
the Beverely Hillbillies.


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Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
From: tsv@Unify.com (Tim Vannaman)
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Subject: Re: erika eleniak movie/tv roles?
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:47:04 GMT
Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)

In article <C0FpEC.14o@ecf.toronto.edu>, funga@ecf.toronto.edu (FUNG Alexander Yok-Wai) writes:
> In article <1i9kgiINNqne@rave.larc.nasa.gov> avik@icase.edu (Avik Banerjee) writes:
> >
> >
> >what movies/tv programs did erika eleniak have
> >parts in? i know she was in under siege and bay watch.
> >thanks.
> >
> >avik@icase.icase.edu
> 
> 			Under Siege (1992)

What is her role in this movie?

Tim.