HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: euamgk@eua.ericsson.se (Marina Kohnen)
Subject: What About All Those Fat Cows?
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Distribution: sci.med
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 08:33:01 GMT

I've been reading lately about this theory that states that carbohydrates
never get converted to fat, only fat gets converted to fat, or something
to this effect.  Sorry if I got it wrong.

My question is this:
What about all these fat cows that graze in pastures, subsisting exclusively
on grass?  Grass doesn't have any fat.  Where is the fat in cows 
metabolized from?

The same thing goes about sheep.

If this has been covered recently, would someone please anyway send me a
short e-mail explaining this, 'cause this has been bothering me lately.

Thanx.
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Sports medicine reference books
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:48:44 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland


I heard a guy named Fred Few (spelling?) at the University of Pittsburg is
completing a new sports medicine text to be released in a couple months, but
it is unavailable as of now. People familiar with the effort say it will be
an excellent book.
From: echyatt@eos.ncsu.edu (EDWARD CRAIG HYATT)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: trachea scarring
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:06:58 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos

My friend, T., has a chronic breathing
problem caused by a ring of scar tissue
in her trachea.  She is about 40 years
old, and has had the problem for at
least 10 years.  She has an operation
every 18 months to "stretch" the opening
in her trachea to allow her to breathe
more easily.  At times, her breathing
sounds rough, as if she had a case of
bronchitis or asthma.  Her breathing is
also affected by an allergic reaction
to many different materials in her
environment--detergents, foods, smoke,
and so forth.  Evidently, her doctors
have not been able to find the source
of the ring of scar tissue, and they can
only treat it using the "stretching"
method--inserting increasingly larger
sections of tubing while T. is under
anesthesia.

I have no medical background whatsoever,
but I am very curious about this condition.
Has anyone on the net heard of a similar
case?  Does anyone have a guess as to
the diagnosis?

I have heard of "cold laser" surgery
for removing scar tissue in the fallopian
tubes.  I wonder if this kind of surgery
would remove the ring of scar tissue
in T.'s trachea so that it would not grow
back.

Thanks in advance,
Craig Hyatt
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echyatt@eos.ncsu.edu
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From: dmr@alice.att.com (Dennis Ritchie)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Subject: Re: Colonic irrigations
Date: 26 Jul 92 04:36:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23317
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ

The radiology textbook belonging to a colleague has a `chamber of
horrors' chapter near the end.  Beside the expected sort of things
(crowbars through the head, unusual objects in the colon) there is
an X-ray image of the upper body of a nurse with a predilection for
mainlining metallic mercury, which she obtained from thermometers.
Seemingly, her habit did less immediate harm than one might have
predicted, and it sure did lead to an interesting picture.

People do odd things sometimes.

        Dennis Ritchie
Newsgroups: sci.med,talk.politics.drugs,pnw.general
From: sswart@sandbox.kenn.wa.us (Shawn Swart)
Subject: Re: FDA still at large
Keywords: FDA, unconstitutional illegal action,single-issue blindness
Organization: The Sandbox, Kennewick WA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:51:54 GMT

Psss. You're giving us away.... They think we don't know this.



Newsgroups: sci.med,talk.politics.drugs,pnw.general
From: davidb@zeus.ce.washington.edu (David W. Barts)
Subject: Re: government still at large (was Re: FDA still at large)
Followup-To: sci.med,talk.politics.drugs,pnw.general
Keywords: FDA, unconstitutional illegal action,single-issue blindness
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:49:27 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.163407.11060@SSD.intel.com>, jerryg@ssd.intel.com (Jerry Gaiser) writes:
> In article <1992Jul25.180505.2817@eskimo.celestial.com> kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum) writes:
> >Do you have a problem with panhandlers on the street?  They are trying
> >on a private basis to support themselves.  Yet there are those who would
> >make such acts illegal.  It really sticks in some people's craw (usually
> >some "hard-working" mean-spirited Pioneer Square boutique owner or feather
> >merchant) to see somebody making a go of it panhandling (or trying to, at
> >any rate), and they want to fuck it up.
> 
> Excuse me!? Since when is panhandling a job? Panhandling is begging and if you're
> truely hungry and homeless, there are services available (admittedly not the best).
> Most of my research on the subject is that the majority of the money panhandled is
> spent on alcohol or drugs. And I refuse to support either of those habits for other
> people.

[WARNING: flame alert]

I trust this is the voice of experience (a person who has actually
lived on the streets) speaking, not just another white middle class
suburban computer professional who is angry at the poor for existing
because they interfere with his ability to delude himself into
believing a falsely rosy picture of the current state of American
society.

--
David Barts  N5JRN                      UW Civil Engineering, FX-10
davidb@ce.washington.edu                Seattle, WA  98195
From: m0102@tnc.UUCP (FRANK NEY)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Anti-vitamin bill passes committee
Date: 29 Jul 92 11:42:30 GMT
Reply-To: m0102@tnc.UUCP (FRANK NEY)
Organization: The Next Challenge, Fairfax, Va.


Is there any way to get the text of both bills?  Trying to get one
from a congresscritter is like pulling teeth, and you usually get it
too late to do you any good.

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Commandant and Acting President, Northern Virginia Free Militia
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Xref: sparky sci.med:14551 talk.politics.drugs:5364
From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Newsgroups: sci.med,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: FDA still at large  (long)
Keywords: FDA, unconstitutional illegal action,single-issue blindness
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:48:22 GMT
Followup-To: sci.med
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department


In article <1992Jul26.185412.24583@klic.rain.com> keithl@klic.rain.com (Keith Lofstrom) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.164209.16428@intelhf.hf.intel.com> hutch@hutch (Stephen Hutchison) writes:

			..........................

>Hutch, it pains me greatly that so many people do so many stupid things.  Why,
>if I examined your life carefully, I could probably point out dozens of things
>*you* do that *I* consider stupid.  Now imagine me and a few dozen thugs
>come over to your place and forcibly prevent you from doing anything I
>consider stupid - and forcibly prevent you from calling for help - for your
>own good, of course!  After a week of that, you would be ready to kill. 

			....................

>                Certain vitamins, taken far in excess of the RDA, can help
>you live longer.  The FDA response?  They are talking about making vitamins
>require a prescription.

>Why is the FDA doing this?  They aren't the monsters that certain of my
>libertarian friends would have you believe.  The problem is that they are no
>more omniscient than you or I, and they have no way of telling what will
>be eventually learned about these things.  Since their charter is to prevent
>anything unconventional that might be harmful, they go after things that are
>unconventional - because they have no way of determining what will be harmful
>in the long run.

This is NOT the charter of the FDA.  They have even admitted that much to
Congress and the public.  They are quite aware that there is no such thing
as safe and effective.  But they have the attitude, which should disqualify
them from being in any position of authority, that they must protect us
from themselves.  It is THIS which makes them monsters.

They have also publicly stated that the people cannot understand the
information upon which to make decisions.  Now if a person cannot handle
decisions primarily affecting himself/herself, I do not see how such a
person can intelligently decide upon those who will govern.  The very
idea of keeping information from people should, IMHO, make the person
an arch-criminal.  This applies to everyone; manufacturers, distributors,
teachers, salesmen, teachers, and also MDs and, except for military
secrets, government minions.
-- 
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
{purdue,pur-ee}!pop.stat!hrubin(UUCP)
Xref: sparky sci.med:14750 alt.drugs:13707
From: km@speedy.cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Newsgroups: sci.med,alt.drugs
Subject: Re:  What is the Health Risk from Smoking MJ?
Keywords: Smoking, Tobacco, Marijuana, Health
Date: 29 Jul 92 12:54:49 GMT
Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Followup-To: sci.med
Organization: Computer Science Dept., University of Pittsburgh

In article <153qroINNkdi@cs.utexas.edu- turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes:
--*----
-The greatest danger from smoking marijuana is that by possessing,
-using, buying, and selling this drug, one risks the attention of
-a group of thugs who will steal one's property, abuse one's person,
-deprive one's liberty, and otherwise make one's life miserable.  

Bureaucrats?

 -km


Newsgroups: sci.med
From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: monopril
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:53:54 GMT
Keywords: fosinopril sodium

Anybody know anything about a drug called "monopril", or, generically,
fosinopril sodium?

What is it's effectiveness/sideffects?

- Mark
ihlpq!gmark
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein)
Subject: Re: Clinical Trials on Homeopathic Remedies
Organization: Strawman Incorporated
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:44:21 GMT

In article <15817@pitt.UUCP> geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.201233.6875@island.COM> green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein) writes:
>
>>Only low-potency homeopathics are generally available OTC. 
>>-- 
>But since high-potency homeopathics are made by diluting low-potency
>homeopathics, that's kind of ingenuous, isn't it?

Not really, because simple dilution won't affect the potency. Besides,
how do you dilute a pill? But certainly it is possible to properly 
dilute an extract, thereby increasing its potency. 
-- 
******************************************************************************
Robert Greenstein           What the fool cannot learn he laughs at, thinking
green@island.com            that by his laughter he shows superiority instead
                            of latent idiocy - M. Corelli
From: mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: A Question/Proposal for "Health Care Consumers"
Summary: Who says college professors are bad teachers?
Date: 26 Jul 92 04:59:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

>In article <1992Jul21.135225.1@zodiac.rutgers.edu> morris@zodiac.rutgers.edu writes:
>
>>However their teaching was ineffective because they did not know how
>>to teach.  It is the problem with most college professors - they are
>>experts in their field but they have never been taught to teach.

My friends and I, on making the transition from high school to college,
were almost all surprised at the _increase_ in the quality of the teaching.
College professors are specialists who are genuinely interested in their
subject.  They know _why_ it is interesting, whereas the high school
teacher often has merely been handed a textbook and told, "Teach this."
Knowing why your subject is supposed to be interesting makes all the
difference.

Sure, there are students who claim that college professors are all
bookworms who can't teach.  But -- seeing this from the other side of
the lectern -- I get this complaint regularly only from _one_ kind of
student, the kind who, if he were more honest, would say, "This course
wasn't easy enough for me.  Courses are supposed to be easy."  And
although vociferous, these are only a small part of the student
population.

Now back to medical science.  (This was a discussion of health education
in high school as I recollect.)
-- 
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:02:55 EDT
From: <DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Weight/appearance of professional models; Re: Obesity...
 <1992Jul19.163655.2700@cs.tulane.edu> <15738@pitt.UUCP>
 <61dm6+n.sss@netcom.com>

In article <61dm6+n.sss@netcom.com>, sss@netcom.com (Small Systems Solutions)
says:

>Male bulimia has been common in one sport -- wrestling -- where a premium
>is placed on achieving the lowest possible weight in order to be competitive.
>The whole team goes out for pizza, then purges together...

Very few wrestlers that I wrestled with would agree to throw up with me!
While bulimia is not uncommon among wrestlers, IMO dehydration was a much
more common approach to weight loss.  In addition, the bulimia that does take
place is hardly as organized as the above suggests.  Very few people that I
wrestled with ate pizza during the season.

Dennis Shea
From: rind@binoc.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Mitral Valve Prolapse
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:05:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Beth Israel Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston Mass., USA

In article <1992Jul20.181040.18635@newstand.syr.edu>
 mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline) writes:
[my definition of a convincing study deleted]
>Demanding criteria allright.

MVP is common. So are anxiety disorders.  A well done cohort study
would be relatively cheap and easy.

>The article you cite supports my original point that MVP as an isolated
>cardiac finding is benign.  They suggest that if the  i
>mitral valve is prolapsed, and has thick leaflets redundant tissue, THEN
>you are at higher risk of eventual complications.

Here is my statement in my original post that you took issue with:
  "Not entirely true.  For some people with MVP (those with large
   redundant mitral valve tissue) there seems to be an increased risk..."

I never suggested that MVP without redundant valve tissue was 
dangerous.  In fact, I don't even think it's associated with
anxiety disorder :-).
-- 
David Rind
rind@binoc.bih.harvard.edu
From: loftis@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Loftis)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:39:39 GMT
Subject: Re: Genes
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: sci.med

	I want to thank all the e-mail in response to my posting.  

	I have gotten advise on who to see.  Lots of people supplied me
with their own personal genetics and how it hasn't affected their
children.

	Thanks for the infor......Kirk
From: young@serum.kodak.com [Rich Young] (x37176)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Undetectable AIDS
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:44:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: pixel.1992Jul23.124407.28292
Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Originator: young@sasquatch


   News flash on CNN this morning:

	Apparently, scientists in California (Stanford?  Berkely?) have
	identified a new virus, called HICRV (for Human Inter-Cisternal
	Retro-Virus) which is associated with the "undetectable" variety
	of AIDS in 9(?) patients.

   That's all I know, so go check CNN for more details.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>|<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Rich Young                             | Phone: (716) 253-7176
Eastman Kodak Company                  | FAX: (716) 253-7254
Clinical Products Division             | Internet: young@serum.kodak.com
100 Carlson Road                       |
Rochester, New York, USA   14653-9122  | These are MY opinions, not Kodak's!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>|<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Don't get angry, get accurate information.
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Estrogen in wheat ???
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:07:42 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <dcox-310792112131@dcoxmac.nswc.navy.mil> dcox@relay.nswc.navy.mil (David Cox) writes:

>1) Does Wheat contain estrogen?

No

>2) If so, would eating the estrogen contained in wheat have
>     any effects?

If you ate enough.

>3) Do males have naturally occurring estrogen in any
>    amount in them?

Yes.  But not enough to cause gynecomastia, usually, as long as the
liver works.

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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Subject: Re: RU-486 Confiscation
Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 04:24:40 GMT
Keywords: abortion, RU-486, FDA, confiscation, Bush, paternalism 

In article <1992Jul22.055020.155542@zeus.calpoly.edu> dfield@zeus.calpoly.edu (Daniel R. Field) writes:
>The recent case of the government confiscating a woman's personal supply of
>RU-486 is very distressing.  The FDA "allows" a person to import personal
>supplies of drugs (other than the psychedellic variety) for personal use,
>such as as many unapproved AIDS drugs.
>
>Abortion is currently legal (and, I hope, will remain so) in this country.
>Since the action of this drug is not illegal, what other than sour
>politics on the part of the Bush administration could justify this
>confiscation?  Is there any paternalistic arguement about this drug that
>demands that a grown woman needs to be "protected" from this particular
>unapproved drug any more than those others that they allow in? 
>
>Argh!

RU-486 is a potent weight loss drug which completely precents Zucker
fatty rats (a mutant strain that naturally becomes hyperobese) from
getting fat.  It has also been discussed as a life extension drug.

RU-486's potential social and fiscal consequences dwarf the abortion aspects.
-- 
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX          ...!tektronix!reed!omen!caf 
Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, and DSZ
  Omen Technology Inc    "The High Reliability Software"
17505-V NW Sauvie IS RD   Portland OR 97231   503-621-3406
From: David.McKendrick@f152.n253.z2.fidonet.org (David McKendrick)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: NHS Support Federation Campaign News Issue 2/1
Date: 13 Jul 92 13:09:41 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 2:253/152 - UK Healthlink, Wigan UK

NHS MATTERS ***

KEEP 90% OF NHS BEDS AND SERVICES FOR NHS PATIENTS

In 1986, a 10% limit on the number of beds and services the NHS could offer to 
private patients disappeared very quietly.
 Now there is no limit at all. Trusts are not even required by law to make 
contracts with the NHS. Meanwhile the private insurance companies are looking 
to Trusts hospitals for cheaper prices than private hospitals to keep their 
premiums down.
 If Trusts sell the best and fastest service to paying patients, NHS patients 
will get what's left: longer waits, fewer services and steadily deteriorating 
standards.
 Please support our campaign to keep a minimum of 90% of NHS services for NHS 
patients.


"The NHS Support Federation exists to persuade government that health is too 
important to be left to the free play of market forces"
                                           - Sir Douglas Black
                                        (Author of The Black Report)

"Do not let market forces determine the future of the NHS. It was founded not 
for profit but for people."
                                  - Archbishop Trevor Huddleston CR
                                     Vice President, NHS Fed.


CHAIRMAN'S MESSAGE

Commercial forces have displaced the primary social and professional goals of 
the NHS. The transaction now overshadows the treatment. 
Hospitals must sell to survive, and will sell to the highest bidder, NHS or 
private. Preferential care now goes to some patients at the expense of others. 
Secrecy enshrouds this public service: accountability has shrivelled. Money 
has been diverted from patient care to finance a great new army of accountants 
and administrators.
 Our members continue to share deep concern that the changes in the NHS may 
yet destroy it. We also share the profound determination to campaign for the 
principles of fairness, adequacy of funding, responsiveness to change and 
forward-lookingness of the NHS. We need the active helpof every member and 
supporter. 
 What you can do:
* Request copies of this newsletter for colleagues, your surgery, or   friends
 
 * Recruit more members
* Help us financially
* Send us information. How is Fundholding affecting services? Is the   system 
working to the patients advantage? Are patients of ordinary GPs   being 
disadvantaged? What's happening to ECRs, waiting times,   availability of 
services? Are more cuts planned or taking place? Are     standards of care 
improving?
 And don't forget to make use of our updated list of Briefing Papers; they are 
particularly useful for people who address groups or correspond with their 
MPs.
                                  - Professor Harry Keen

 - cont'd


 
 

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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: lawson@acuson.com (Drew Lawson)
Subject: Re: 6 fingers/toes
Reply-To: lawson@aldia.UUCP (Drew Lawson)
Organization: ACUSON, Mountain View, CA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:45:47 GMT

In article <harris.712212967@drvax3> harris@drvax3.msfc.nasa.gov (Mitch Harris) writes:
>The condition is called polydactyly, it's fairly common, & the ability
>to use the extra digits would depend on how much digit was present & how
>much the person tried to use it.
>
>       In TSOTL (book), Hannibal Lecter had 6 digits on one hand. :)

According to the script of Steel Magnolias, Anne Bolin (sp) (wife of Henry VIII)
had 6 fingers on one hand (5 on the other).

-- 
Drew Lawson                      If you're not part of the solution,
lawson@acuson.com                you're part of the precipitate
From: esc@ulysses.att.com (E. Steve Crandall)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Chronic Fatigue Syndrome pointers needed
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:38:54 GMT


My sister has been diagnosed as having Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS
or even Yuppie Fatigue Syndrome).  Does anyone have any pointers towards
schools that specialize in CFS?

many thanks

Steve Crandall
evan.crandall@att.com

PS -- She lives in Mesa, AZ
Xref: sparky sci.med:14701 alt.drugs:13665
From: lc2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lawrence Curcio)
Newsgroups: sci.med,alt.drugs
Subject: Re: What is the Health Risk from Smoking MJ?
Date: 28 Jul 92 11:51:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.IeROIqq00iUyE4eYZO
Organization: Doctoral student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Regarding Bob Marley's lung cancer or brain tumor: Lung cancer commonly
spreads to the brain. It is frequently unnoticed until this happens. I
personally lost two aunts and an uncle in just this way.

-Larry C.