HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Aspirin, heart disease, and women?
Date: 30 Sep 92 11:47:19 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Followup-To: soc.men
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH

schultz@unixg.ubc.ca (Stewart Schultz) writes:

>In article <1992Sep29.011341.2517@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf) writes:
>>
>>Do you know, for
>>example, if the "aspirin-a-day helps cardiac patients" claim works for
>>women, since no women were included in this study?
>
>The last time I heard this bizarre claim, I did a little digging on
>Medline.  What I found was about 20 studies on the link between heart
>disease and aspirin, dating back to the mid-1970s.  Most used both
>sexes as subjects (a couple with several hundred each); some used women
>only.  The largest and most recent study used over 1000 subjects of
>each sex, and was reported in the popular press in March last year
>('Aspirin lowers coronary risks: tests indicate principle applies to
>both genders,'  Calgary Herald  March 16, 1991 pg F19).
>
>That this is an urban myth seems the obvious conclusion.  If anyone has
>a source for the story I'd be interested in seeing it.

First, a claim in the Calgary Herald that test indicate it works 
for both sexes is not exaclty the same thing as a controlled study 
using women.  I wonder what the "tests" were, and how the Herald
arrived at this conclusion?

Secondly, while I don't claim her to be a "source" of the 
myth (merley a perpetuator *if* it is a myth), Surgeon General 
Antonia Novello repeated this on McNeil Lehrer news hour a week 
or so ago.

Thirdly, I'm not sure what "20 studies on the link between heart disease
and aaspirin" you're refering to.  The evidence for taking aspirin
prophylacticly is, I thought, less than five years old.
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
Newsgroups: soc.men
From: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Unisex bathrooms
X-To: ESKO MATIKAINEN
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 02:33:00 GMT

matikain@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Esko Matikainen) writes...
EM> >So why one MEN and one WOMEN?  Why not two bathrooms and
EM> >you do your stuff?  Anyway, there were NO women present at the time.
EM> >NONE!  But there were 12 guys all hopping on one foot outside the
EM> >MEN door.  So we all looked at each other and we took our turns in
EM> >the ladies room (alone) and went on our way.  The question is not
EM> >why we did that - but why the other guys didn't.

EM> One good reason for having one MEN and one WOMEN is that the "MEN"
EM> usually mess up their's so that few women feel like using it after them.


How delightfully non-sexist of you, Esko.

---
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ZOOiD BBS, Toronto, Ontario - The Zoo Of Ids            "GOiDS Rule"
(416) 322-7876
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 * SLMR 2.1a * What does NCC stand for? - Naaaaah, that's too easy!
From: kamchar@ibm.cl.msu.edu (SunCat)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Political Correctness
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:47:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Michigan State University

In article <30SEP199210153854@mary.fordham.edu> nissim@mary.fordham.edu  
(Leonard J. Nissim) writes:
> In article <1992Sep29.201429.27066@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, 
> me@isnext19.msu.edu (My Account) writes...
> ^^                   ^^^^^^^^^^^
> [garbage deleted]
> 
> If you don't have the guts to use your own name in a statement of  
political
> views, then don't post. 
>  
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
-----
> Leonard J. Nissim  (nissim@mary.fordham.edu)   
> Disclaimer:  "I speak only for myself."
>  
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-----
Happens every so often when I use NewsGrazer for the NeXT.  Hope this will  
remedy any confusion.
kamchar@ibm.,cl.msu.edu
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: SAFE SEX -- IT'S YOUR DUTY
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:24:04 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <6598@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> abbst@vms.cis.pitt.edu writes:
>Who knows what undiscovered disease you might be carrying right now? 

	The Shadow does.
						"ha,ha,hahahahaha"
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women
From: mec6@quads.uchicago.edu (Rini Clarkberg)
Subject: Re: Violent Di Batters Charles
Reply-To: mec6@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:29:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.093634.1@mdcbbs.com> rivero@mdcbbs.com writes:

>>   A) Should Charles fight back?
>
>However, I think that the only way for
>Charles to have avoided this escalation is to have decked her the first time
>she hit him.

Better yet... LEAVE. I say, better to nip it in the bud, and let's stop 
beating eachother up, okay?  

>The root cause has
>to do with Di not having her head screwed on streight.

Hmm... it always looked streight (sic) to me.  Nice posture too.

rini
From: throop@hsvaic.boeing.com (David Throop)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Victims of False "Memories" Form Organization
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:59:33 GMT
Organization: The Boeing Company, Huntsville, AL

A family friend has been active for years in Cult Awareness Network,
(CAN).  It was formed mainly to oppose religious cults.  He reports
seeing a recent surge of people turning to CAN to help with situations
in which a young adult has become involved with theraputic groups
which have many of the hallmarks of cults, and are coming up with
implausible stories of childhood sexual abuse.

David Throop
From: pepke@ds1.scri.fsu.edu (Eric Pepke)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Choice for men: moving beyond anti-feminism
Date: 4 Oct 92 00:56:41 GMT
Reply-To: pepke@ds1.scri.fsu.edu (Eric Pepke)
Organization: Florida State University, but I don't speak for them

Oh boy!  I get to disagree with both sides of an argument!

In article <1adhr7INN38b@gap.caltech.edu> peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
>But how can you ever be *absolutely* sure "where your partner has been"?

You can't.  And, you can't be *absolutely* sure that the next UV photon that
hits your skin will not cause a case of melanoma severe enough to kill you.
However, there is a point beyond which worrying about risks is ridiculous.
It is reasonable to lessen one's risks.  It is not reasonable to become
obsessive about risks once they are a couple orders of magnitude lower than 
getting into an automobile.

In article <1aicf4INN8uo@bigboote.WPI.EDU> walkerr@wpi.WPI.EDU (Robert A Walker) writes:
>	You don't know were they have been.  But if they won't tell you or
>you don't trust them why would you want to have sex with them.

There does exist such a thing as betrayal of trust, you know.  People have
been known to lie from time to time.  Further, people who are in love have
been known to have a greater difficulty detecting falsehoods from the beloved.

Maybe if we all had absolute knowledge about everything everywhere we'd have
an easier time of it, but we don't.  We have to strike a balance.

-EMP
Xref: sparky soc.men:17356 soc.women:17391 talk.religion.misc:17682 uk.misc:132
From: s0rah@exnet.co.uk (R A Hollands)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,talk.religion.misc,uk.misc
Subject: Re: I.T. aspects of religion and gender in teaching
Keywords: Religious Education, Information Technology, Equal Opportunities
Date: 5 Oct 92 11:16:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: exnet.BvnBBA.1qq
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK

A demo of "God's Word for Windows" is available from hensa. Gospels only.
This gives you access to original source material if Religious Studies use
that. :-)

Richard
Xref: sparky soc.men:17108 soc.women:17193
From: comp_oper@darwin.ntu.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women
Subject: Re: What irritates you or your partner?
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:11:35 +0900

In article <1992Sep29.145124.19856@gdr.bath.ac.uk>, ccsmh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Mark Harding) writes:
> I'd like to start a new thread on what you find irritating about your
> partner's habits around the house - and If possible provide an explanation
> for the peeve.

A several years ago, I had the misfortune to be living with my sister and her
daughter.  This lasted a few years.  The main ground rule that my sister asked
for was that I wasn't to move her unversity books and related study gear which
were usually on the dining table (we usually ate in the loungeroom) so that she
would know where she was up to when she got back to them and that I would leave
her room alone when I was doing the housework.  Her pre-school aged daughter
didn't like any one moving her dolls around, especially when she had them
sitting up nice and straight on the lounge chairs.  Which didn't leave much
else left, housework wise.

One day, in fit of anger before going out the door, my sister complained that I
didn't do enough housework!  There wasn't much left if I didn't touch her
stuff.  "So bugger it!" I thought.  In an energetic fit, I swept throughout the
house and cleaned up EVERYTHING.  My sisters books, teaching practice gear and
her assignments all got thrown into her room.  My neices dolls also got thrown
into her room (sister and niece shared the same room).  By the time I had
finished, the bedroom floor could not be seen at all!  When darling little
sister arrives home and surveys the results, the phone, which just happens to
be in her room at the far corner from the door, rings.  Darling little sister
could not get to phone without stepping on something.  After she finishes her
phone call, she rushes out of the house again to cry to daddy.  She admitted
later that dad just laughed.

I recomend that every man should spent some time living with is sister as a
preperation for marriage.  There are plenty of arguments and there is never any
sex!

> 1. The toilet seat must always be closed after use.
>    To me this seems trivial, ok it's aestetichally more pleasing maybe but
>    I believe a house is to be lived in not displayed like a showroom. Also
>    leaving the seat up will allow those nasty smells to go out through the
>    window :-)
Occasionally, I would come out and say "OK!  Who left the toilet seat down!"

-- 
Glenn Wallace					comp_oper@darwin.ntu.edu.au
Northern Territory University
Darwin, Northern Territory,
Australia, World, Universe, etc...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
DISCLAIMER:
This is not necessarily the views of the management of this establishment:-
We just chain him up in that little cubby hole of his and leave him be!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: soc.men
From: noraa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (aaron.l.hoffmeyer)
Subject: Re: Catharine MacKinnon, Playboy and feminist propaganda (Was: Value of...)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 04:06:28 GMT

In article <BvHJvK.Fx@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <717917196@lear.cs.duke.edu> gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel) writes:
>
>>I wondered if Catharine A. MacKinnon became a different person,
>
>A lot of people tend to wonder this, I think.  That's when they start
>to read what MacKinnon actually writes, and not the thrice-revomited
>pap that people like Gazit and Vidiguris and Dyer pass off as her
>writing.
>
>I wondered this when I discovered that MacKinnon agrees with Susie
>Bright on a number of issues of womens' sexuality.
>
>-- 
>____ Tim Pierce                

Yes, Tim, I believe you are definitely on to something here....  Gazit,
Vidguris and Dyer were much too quick to judge the eloquence,
morality, the "higher" purpose of Catherine's writings.  Surely mere
USENET mortals cannot be experts in determining the validity of her
sentiments.  Besides, they have those awful penises corrupting their
opinions.

That's why I defer to Camille Paglia, that self-important, learned
literate and diligent professor and take heed when she asserts that to
the best of her understanding Catherine MacKinnon is a repressed prude
with little understanding of legal concepts, little value for individual
rights, little appreciation for the differences among us (and I
seriously doubt that she respects your "difference" Tim), and virtually
no understanding of metaphysics.  In effect, she is calling MacKinnon a
twit.

MacKinnon relishes the power that she has accrued in asserting her
personal beliefs about legal theory and human sexuality.  She seeks to
oppress her "enemy" with the same disregard for her "enemy's" rights
that she claims her enemy has for her gender.  She seeks to oppress men
in retaliation for what she deems as man's oppression throughout history
of women.  Individual or constitutional rights are of no importance or
consequence.  The bottom line for her is "correcting" this gender-based
injustice at all cost by replacing it with a different gender-based
injustice system - one which oppresses the oppressing gender. 

I agree with Paglia--the woman is a twit--a powerful, dangerous twit.

Aaron L. Hoffmeyer
TR@CBNEA.ATT.COM
From: scb1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Sam Blackman)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Aspirin, heart disease, and women?
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:22:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Sep30.182219.8723
Reply-To: scb1@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Sep29.043611.18661@unixg.ubc.ca> schultz@unixg.ubc.ca (Stewart Schultz) writes:
>
>The last time I heard this bizarre claim, I did a little digging on
>Medline.  What I found was about 20 studies on the link between heart
>
>That this is an urban myth seems the obvious conclusion.  If anyone has
>a source for the story I'd be interested in seeing it.

I believe that your MedLine search wasn't too thorough ... there have been
large, controlled, clinical trials of aspirin in heart attack prevention
that have been published in the New England Journal of Medicine (which is
where your newspaper story probably got its info.).  The one fameous one
involved male physicians who were given either an aspirin every other day,
or a placebo every other day, for a number of years (I believe it was
five) and followed to see what the incidence of heart attack was in each group.
It turns out that the treatment group had a significantly lower incidence
of MI than the placebo group (I do not have the citation on hand, but can
provide it if requested).  My father was/is a participant in this trial, and
to the best of my knowledge it is still in progress (I assume in an effort
to look at longer term results).

As it stands, I'm know that aspirin is also prescribed to patients at a high
risk for other thromboembolic conditions (such as stroke) because of aspirins
inhibition of platelet aggregation.  So the use of aspirin in heart disease
is much more than an urban myth.  You doctor, however, should approve the
initiation of regular aspirin therapy, as it is not without its own risks.

-- Sam


-- 
Samuel C. Blackman        ! InterNet : scb1@midway.uchicago.edu
University of Chicago     ! Disclaimer : Who cares what I say, I'm a student!
Lost on the south side    ! Quote : Help! I've fallen and I can't get up!
Chicago, IL  60637        ! Phone : 312/752-1082 (h)   312/702-6582 (w)
Xref: sparky soc.men:17076 soc.women:17160
From: peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women
Subject: Re: [Pet Peeves] What irritates you or your partner?
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:31:21 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

jlacey@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (james.w.lacey) writes:

>Worst anti-male decorating feature:  carpeted toilet tank and
>seat sets... turns the toilet into a mini-guillotine for the
>unsuspecting male.

In a previous apartment I had the toilet seat rigged so that it
would suddenly come slamming down.  Boy you should've seen then jump!

							--  Michal
Xref: sparky soc.men:17370 soc.women:17403 soc.singles:27058
From: wjb@moscom.com (Bill de Beaubien)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Book Rec.: _Bodies: Overcoming the Tyranny of Perfection_
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:48:46 GMT
Reply-To: wjb@moscom.com
Organization: Moscom Corp., Pittsford NY
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.3 beta PL7]

Kiran Wagle (kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote:
: The four food groups are actually Pizza, Chocolate, Ice Cream, & Barbecue.
What, no Lasagna?  Sacrilege.
-- 
Who needs lime jello?  We had lasagna...
-------------------------------------------------------------
Bill de Beaubien / wjb@moscom.com
From: acp@cray.com (Anthony Peterson)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Choice for men: moving beyond anti-feminism
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:47:31 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

In article <1acnngINN2fr@gap.caltech.edu> peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
>
>If she takes the Pill because he refuses to use condoms or wait while she
>puts in a condom, then it may imply that he is a sexist.  Of course, it may
>also imply that she is a fool.
>
	Only to a sexist, or of course, a fool.
Xref: sparky soc.men:17387 alt.child-support:3422 alt.politics.clinton:8674
From: kolassa@bio1.bst.rochester.edu (John Kolassa)
Newsgroups: soc.men,alt.child-support,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Recent Bill Clinton quote regarding child support
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:12:27 GMT
Reply-To: kolassa@bio1.bst.rochester.edu (John Kolassa)
Organization: University of Rochester, Rochester NY


> In article <1992Oct6.020205.10257@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> kolassa@bio1.bst.rochester.edu (I) write:
> 
>May I remind you that alimony is not the same as child support?  The
>bluring of the distinction, and the assumption that it's only moms
>that do or should get custody and the assumption that all deadbeat
>parents are fathers are two of the things that made my election choice
>clear.
> 

In article <1992Oct6.180827.8764@Warren.MENTORG.COM>, tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli) writes:

> Woa!  Just because I confused the two don't take it out on Clinton.  I
> should have been more careful with my wording.
> 
> Clinton has only talked about "child support".  Any national effort to
> enforce payment would be equally applied to both men and women.
> 
> Tom
> -- 
> Tom Limoncelli -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work) -- tal@plts.uucp (play)

Perhaps I took an unfair shot in response to a minor error of yours, not
Clinton's.  I still think, however, that it's an indication of the mindset
of the Clinton campaign on this issue, but that's my personal inference.

It's also true, however, that at least from what I've heard Clinton has only
talked about deadbeat dads, and not about deadbeat moms.  I find this very
frightening.

-- 
Thanks, John Kolassa, kolassa@bio1.bst.rochester.edu
From: me@isnext19.msu.edu (My Account)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Political Correctness
Keywords: political correctness PC P.C.
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:14:29 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

--"[P]olitical correctness" does not exist, and has never existed, as
a body of political ideas. It is not an ideology, like socialism,
liberalism, 0 or nationalism, nor is it an organized (or disorganized)
social movement. Nor is it a world view, a moral philosophy, a
partisan organization, an intellectual trend, or even an academic
faction. As a description of political ideas, "political correctness"
expresses, literally, nothing. It is an empty vessel of a signifier
into which meaning is poured on a purely expedient and ad hominem
basis."  "Enforcers of today's brittle status quo now employ
"politically correct" to describe any political position which
disputes the soundness of economic life, the validity of the assertion
that racism and sexism no longer influence our society, the
infallibility of corporate power, the nobility of right-wing culture,
the value of militarism, or the wisdom of any given policy of the
Reagan-Bush tenure."

                                --Jamin Raskin, from "The Fallacies of  
                                'Political  Correctness'" in January Z.
Xref: sparky soc.men:17375 soc.women:17407 soc.singles:27071
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Book Rec.: _Bodies: Overcoming the Tyranny of Perfection_
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:08:27 GMT
Followup-To: soc.men
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <4615@moscom.com> wjb@moscom.com writes:
>Kiran Wagle (kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote:
>: The four food groups are actually Pizza, Chocolate, Ice Cream, & Barbecue.
                                                                    ^^^^^^^^
Hey, wow, didn't know this existed outside of North Carolina.  And to 
think when I got here more than five years ago I thought it looked like
chunk light tuna.

>What, no Lasagna?  Sacrilege.

Speaking as an italian, yes.

>-- 
>Who needs lime jello?  We had lasagna...
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>Bill de Beaubien / wjb@moscom.com 

later.

andy
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,alt.feminism
From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Subject: Re: Re :Female "Wiring"
Organization: LLNL
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:28:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.231158.3964@netcom.com> sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) writes:
>I did enjoy your comments about Susie Bright's Joy of Fistfucking; I wasn't
>aware that stretching the vagina for childbirth was generally considered
>a pleasurable experience. Most women tend to say it hurts like hell.
>But then Camille Paglia keeps reminding us that in the pursuit of "pleasure", 
>"pain" is susally not far off. See, maybe Bright and Paglia can agree on
>something? :)

	Susie Bright's books are:

	Susie Sexpert's Lesbian Sex World

	and

	Susie Bright's Sexual Reality: A Virtual Sex World Reader

	The former book covers such subjects as dildos, vibrators,
vaginal fisting, and her favorite lesbian erotica.

	The latter book covers such subjects as dildos, Camille
Paglia, heterosexual men who like lesbians, appearing on Phil Donahue,
and the question of the Political Correctness of bisexuality.

	Enjoy!

Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Statistics, Threats, Sex Selection (was: Guilty of ... Thoughtcrime
From: rivero@mdcbbs.com
Date: 6 Oct 92 11:29:41 GMT
Organization: Electronic Data Systems, Unigraphics Division, Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: oakey

>> Larry Margolis writes...
>> LM> > She, however, threatened *me* three times.  Just *who* is the violent
>> LM> > person here?  Me, who dared to have *thoughts* of it, or her, who actually
>> LM> > *threatened* me three times?  You decide.
>>
>> LM> Saying "I'll kill you if you tell anyone about this" is not, generally
>> LM> speaking, a serious threat.

  From a legal standpoint, a threat is considered a valid cause for
court actions. As is typical of the current court
biases, it's usually applied by women to obtain no contact
decrees or to deny visitiation.






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