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From: barzjw@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Joachim W Barz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: RE: Out or Not?
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:24:44 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology

Distribution: world

In article <1992Sep8.011625.29614@morrow.stanford.edu>  
GE.TEG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tito E. Gervacio) writes:
> 
> >From: AS.TLK@forsythe.stanford.edu (Timmer)
> >Subject: Re: What's out?
> >
> >>        In tennis, when is a ball out or in?  I mean, what part of the
> >>ball & what part of the line do you use?  Both ball & line are fairly
> >>thick objects, but I have never known anyone to address this fine point.
> >>
> >>        I used to call balls in if any part of the ball seemed to touch
> >>any part of the line, but I found that this put me at a disadvantage
> >>because most people seem to use the center of the ball & the center
> >>of the line.
> >>
> >>                Jeff Hanson (jph@u.washington.edu)
> >
> >
> >Sounds like you're being cheated.  As far as I know, the court
> >includes the entire line, to its outer edge.
> >
> >I can't quote the rulebook, but it's hard enough to see whether the
> >ball hits some white.  How are you supposed to judge whether it
> >touched some imaginary, infinitely thin line down the middle of the
> >real line?
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
>  If the ball hits any part of the line, the shot is definitely
>  in.  In the spirit of sportsmanship, if I'm not sure whether the
>  ball hits the outer edge of the line or not, my opponent gets
>  the point.  No such thing as, "When in doubt, call out."
> 
>                                                -TEG
From what I've practiced, you have to be able to see the color of the court  
between the ball and the line to call it out.  I was also taught that if you  
hesitate about a call, it is in.  However, in competition, this is not always  
the case.

About the electronic line callers, I think that the machine is aimed a few  
inches behind the line to allow the ball enough space to hit the back edge of  
the line and still be ruled in.  However, they are only as accurate as the  
person who aimed the machine.

Joe
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From: hari@robios.me.wisc.edu (Kambainathan Hari)
Subject: Re: US Open Final
Organization: U. Wisconsin-Madison, Robotics Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:19:36
In-reply-to: robrod@csa.bu.edu's message of 14 Sep 92 17:30:48 GMT


> I think that if Sampras had not gotten sick he would have ended it in
> three sets just like in '90.  I would expect something like 6-3, 6-3, 6-2.

.. Just another dedicated fan giving to make excuses for his
favourite's loss.

- Hari

K.R.Harinarayan
Robotics Lab., Dept. of Mech. Engg.
Univ. of Wisconsin, Madison

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From: mamohamm@vela.acs.oakland.edu (SKEPTICAL)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Sanchez Vicario
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:21:56 GMT
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.


	I would not count Sanchez Vicario out. Seles has lost 
	in her last 3 final appearences and Vicario was the 
	one of the three she lost to.

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From: PH412000@brownvm.brown.edu
Subject: good news for Lendl/Becker lovers or haters(live on tv)
Organization: Brown University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:24:32 GMT

USA will stay on today so Becker/Lendl match will be live. Sabatini-Fernandaz
match is on now(4:28pm EDT) so Lendl/Becker match will be on around 5:30pm.
Thanks for USA, we may have more than 12 hours live tennis today.

Quan
From: jpt@telecaster.think.com (James P. Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Number of Posts during US open
Date: 11 Sep 92 09:31:30
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
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In-reply-to: PH412000@brownvm.brown.edu's message of Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:32:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.124417.19357@cs.brown.edu> PH412000@brownvm.brown.edu writes:


   People may have more to talk about last year but we for sure have
   much more good tennis to watch this year. I am glad it
   turns out this way.

   Quan"Finally, we have some real tennis to watch. Thank you, Lendl!"

I agree completely.  The men's matches have been wonderful.  There are so
many good men players.  All of them are playing well.  All of them are at
this tournament. Truly remarkable.  

My first US was in the late 50s [at Forest Hills and all amateur.]  Since
then I have been a student, teacher, coach, and quite competent player of
the game.  I can't recall a time when there were more good players, nor a
tournament with so many competetive matches.  Wonderful.  [And USA's
coverage -- sigh -- we are now going to CBS and brain-dead Trabert and
Sommerall (?sp)-- has been "tolerable" -- maybe a bit too much focus on the
marque names, but, afterall, they are selling soap powder.;-)]

jim taylor Thinking Machines Corp Cambridge MA
           Ass't Tennis and Squash Coach MIT


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From: ianr@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Ian Rowlands)
Subject: Re: No Tie-breaker Tourny ??
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering - University of Melbourne 
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:51:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.165732.4074@ulowell.ulowell.edu> wex@cs.ulowell.edu writes:
>
>Would there be any real interest in an "Old Fashioned" Tennis
>Tournament that used no tie-breakers (like before 1970).

	It used to be called the Davis Cup.

>Would TV cover it?

	They cover the Davis Cup.

>Would Players Attend?

	Most players make themselves available.

>Could modern players handle it?

	They were able to about 5 years ago, I can't see why they can't now.

>Proposal is that one of the existing tour tourneys suggest this format
>(Not one of the GS.)

	It's a damn good proposal, and I hope it works. The Davis Cup lost
its magic when they introduced tiebreakers. I also note that Australia
has performed very poorly since tiebreaks were introduced, or is that just
a coincidence?

				Ian

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From: manuvir@cs.wisc.edu (Manuvir Das)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: speed of a serve
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:32:23 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept

In article <BuLI3L.82x@ecf.toronto.edu>, bonacci@ecf.toronto.edu (BONACCI John) writes:
|> Referring back to the original poster's question, I would ask why, in
|> a tennis context (rather than, say, interest in the science of it), it
|> even matters where or how (but especially where) the speed is measured.  
|> [Try to diagram that sentence!!]  But really, it is an index for relative 
|> rating only, no?  The absolute number (Tanner's 150+ or Forget's 129) only 
|> impresses you when you learn the speed of others' similarly measured.
|>

It impresses you when you learn the speed of your own serve.
 
|> Considering that it can most likely sense only one component of the ball's
|> motion, it is probably not justified to distinguish between 128 and 129 mph
|> anyhow.  Serves down the middle may clock inherently faster than ones out
|> wide.
|>

Doesn't matter. Serve speed (not velocity) is used to indicate how long the
receiver has to react to the serve. Hence only the lengthwise component (in
terms of the court) matters. 

Also, you won't find people like Ivanisevic serving out wide from the Deuce
court at 129mph. They lose too much speed in serving wide, and that's not
because of the extra sideways component but simply because they slice the
ball to get in to move wide after the bounce.

Manuvir.
 
|> --
|> JB
|> "M or W?"
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From: dlee@iti.gov.sg (Dennis Lee)
Subject:  US Open - Men's 3rdand4th QF
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, Singapore.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 05:18:36 GMT

Just got word about the 2 matches:

Chang(4) bt Ferreira(10) in 5 sets, I forget the score, but think Chang
came back from 1-2 down to take the last two sets.

The last quarter final apparently has been postponed.  Reuters reports
the score as:

Edberg(2) leads Lendl(9) 6-3,6-3,3-6,4-3.
I have no idea whether Edberg is up a break in the 4th or not.  In all
likelihood, the long match played by Chang-Ferreira led to the failure
to complete this match.

Please post if anything is known about the progress of the Edberg-Lendl
match.

Thanks,
>Dennis.
From: dklee@cs.umd.edu (Dennis Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: 5th set TieBreak?
Date: 12 Sep 92 00:08:44 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

I always had the impression that the 5th set of a match at a Grand Slam
would never be decided by a tie-breaker.  Anyone who knows the
rule about this care to give me a brief lesson?

Thanks,
>Dennis.
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From: palmer@uvmark.uucp (Filaman)
Subject: Re: Agassi beats himself
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 18:07:31 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <92254.082427BUSBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> <BUSBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>I said Yesterday to Anne Dolce that whoever won last nights match would go
>on to win the mens Open title, and I still stand by that statement. John
>MacEnroe seems to agree. Friday and Saturday will determine if I'm right.
>Now Courier faces Sampras and I predict Courier in four sets.

I think Sampras has Courier's number, I don't think Jim has fared very well
against Pete lately. I picked Sampras to win the tournament, since he was
the hottest player coming into the Open. I was a little worried when he
struggled against Martin and suffered lapses against Forget, but I figured
only Agassi could take him down. Either way, it should be a great match!
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From: GE.TEG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tito E. Gervacio)
Subject: Monica, the Yugoslavian
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 22:09:38 GMT

>
>From: sunder@altair.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
>Subject: Question
>
>Could someone tell me what Monica Seles' nationality is? I thought
>all along that she was a Czech, but was startled to read a UPI report
>that said that she was from Yugoslavia (or at least the former Yugoslavia).
>
>Please reply by e-mail to sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu.
>I don't read this newsgroup.
>
>--
>Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu
>
>If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised.
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Monica Seles is a Yugoslavian citizen, or at least what's left
of it.  Was this one reason why she did not participate in the
Barcelona Olympics?  She calls Sarasota, Florida her home, most
likely because this is where she practices a lot.  She sounds
and acts American, doesn't she?

                                                -TEG
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From: donna@bae.bellcore.com (Donna Feliciano)
Subject: Re: 1992 US OPEN observations
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 14:18:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.225204.12237@cbis.ece.drexel.edu>, arijeet@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Arijit Das) writes:
|> After watching this year's US open I feel my tennis appetite
|> has been satisfied to the full. I feel since most of the men's seeds
|> were not eliminated early there was a high level of tennis played.
|> 
.. stuff deleted

|> Also Lendl commutes from his home in Conn., but does he have to drive
|> especially after a long match ?

This is funny - I noticed on TV after the Lendl/Edberg match was 
suspended, they showed Lendl driving out of the parking lot,
coach in front seat, wife in back seat - and Lendl was driving!
Gosh, I'd be much too tired to drive!!!


|> 
|> Did Volkov have another tournament to play or what, I have never seen a more
|> half-hearted effort, he is ranked #20, and this is his best showing in the 
|> Open so I guess loosing to Sampras does not hurt his rankings.


I didn't understand this either.  I'd always thought of him as a
tough player.  He has quite a few upsets.  Is it possible that there
is more to this story?  Something personal?  I noticed the way
he played, and I just don't get it!!!!!!!


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From: ericm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Eric Means)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Exhibition match
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:54:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.42757
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

Tomorrow night in Portland there will be an exhibition match
between John McEnroe and Jonathan Stark. Stark is an Oregon 
product, from Medford.  In addition, a doubles match will be
held. My question to the net: McEnroe's doubles partner will 
be Brian Joelson (sp?). Was he Mac's regular partner in recent
seasons? Of course Stich and Mac have paired up this year, but
who remembers anything about Joelson?

This will be the first tennis match on ANY level that I've 
seen in person, excepting my own attempts at mediocrity. I'm
curious what the game is like viewed in person compared to
via the tube. Any tips from veteran match-witnesses out there?

< Eric Means >
From: adolce@bbn.com (Anne Dolce)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Snapple
Date: 11 Sep 1992 17:46:23 GMT
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Sep11.162101.8023@news.iastate.edu>, taab1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Chris Hardisty) writes:
|> Snapple will give Lendl the winning edge... Any other Snapple drinkers
|> out there?


  After Jennifer Capriati won the gold medal this past summer,
  she also signed an endorsement contract with Snapple.

Anne
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From: m14430@mwunix.mitre.org (Lawrence Larson)
Subject: Yonex RQ-380 variations...
Summary: Anyone else noticed????
Keywords: Yonex, RQ-380
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:16:26 GMT

About a year ago I switched from my old Slazenger Vilas Pro wood/graphite
midsize composite to the Yonex RQ-380. I hefted one in a tennis store in
Denver and loved the feel instantly - playing with it reinforced the
feeling, so I bought two in 4-5/8 grip size. I recently added a third one,
but have found that it feels like a completely different racquet and I
can't even play with it! Looking more closely reveals that all three
weigh the same (within 1/4 oz.), but the new racquet is considerably
more head-heavy than the older ones. It feels like a war-club, very
slow at net, on the serve and overhead. I know that the RQ-380 varies
in weight depending on grip size, but this dramatic difference in balance
within one grip size seems really unusual. I've never noticed a variation
like this before, in 20+ years of playing many different racquets, usually
owned four-or-so at a time.  No added weights involved, the same head-
protection tape, varied stringing (gamma gut XL, prince topspin,VS) -
anyone have any observations or suggestions? an address or phone number
for Yonex in the US? Thanks...

-- Larry


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From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Subject: US Open - Edberg-Lendl match (spoilers)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 00:01:57 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: clin@bandwidth.eng.umd.edu


    Unlike the fourth set, where Edberg had his chances and blew them,
Lendl had his chances and blew them.   He had Edberg down a break, but
got broken back, and then had break point, but couldn't convert.  Then
at 4-5, he went up 40-15, but lost two points to bring it to deuce
before winning the fame, then at 5-6, he was up 40-love, and again
had it brought back to deuce before winning the game.

   Lendl tried to change strategies a little bit.  This time, he
came into net a bit more often.  He was still unsuccessful using
the sliced lob which Edberg put away time and again.  Even in the
tiebreak, on the initial point, he had a chance to go up 1-0 on
Edberg's serve and had him at the net, when Edberg popped a volley up
and Lendl hit it into the net, attempting the pass.

   On the whole, Edberg played pretty well.  Those who says he has the
best backhand, well, I'll meet you part way.  Edberg has the best sliced
approach shot in the game, and since he blankets the net so well, it
even adds more pressure.  I also take back that Lendl has the best
backhand.  I think I might opt for Sampras.  In any case, Lendl seems
to have used his sliced backhand so much that he doesn't have the same
kind of confidence in his backhand.  For the first time in a while, he
was trying to hit topspin backhands to keep Edberg back on the baseline.
However, he mishit a few of these shots.

   I got the feeling watching this that it was more Lendl's determination
keeping him in this match, rather than pure stroke production.  True,
Lendl can still hit some shots well, and had a good summer, but he seems
to miss a lot more than usual, except on the backhand.  I think Chang will
be a more effective gauge of how well Edberg is volleying, though Edberg
was volleying quite well.  Edberg's problems were occassional mental lapses,
but perhaps pulling out the Krajicek match helped him out.  He seems to
escape out of close ones nowadays.

   Spoilers on Sanchez-Vicario and Maleeva-Fragniere.  Arantxa appeared to
be running away with this match.  Maleeva couldn't hold serve in the
first set, spraying some shots, while Arantxa was able to hold twice, and
got broken twice, to win the first set 6-2.  She was up 2-0 in the second
when I left.

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu

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From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Subject: Re: Women's Tennis
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:23:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.181640.22626@walter.bellcore.com> donna@bae.bellcore.com (Donna Feliciano) writes:
>
>I think people are right that Jennifer Capriati and Mary
>Pierce need to learn more strategy.  But I disagree to
>put Monica Seles in the same category.  She not only
>hits the ball harder, but she plays a lot smarter than
>the other two.  Sure, she doesn't go to the net, but she
>has an idea of how to manipulate the other player around
>the court. And of course, she has the concentration and
>the will to win like no other.

Perhaps I shouldn't have put Seles into the same category,
but Seles herself admits that she plays with no strategy.
Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean that she indeed
plays with no strategy, but that is what Seles says. I agree
that Seles is generally a smart person although I am not
crazy about some of the things she does. Seles is good at
finding openings and generate amazing angles with her
ground strokes.

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From: palmer@uvmark.uucp (Filaman)
Subject: Re: What kind of racquet does Courier Use, A Wilson _____ ?
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 10:57:13 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Sep8.174309.23624@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com> shear@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeff Shear 3769) writes:
>
>
>
>Does anyone out there know what kind of racquet Jim Courier 
>uses as well as an approximate cost.  I believe that 

Courier, Edberg, Sampras and Krajicek all use the Wilson Pro Staff, not
to be confused with the Wilson Pro Staff Classic. You can find them at
mail order places for about $120. This racquet was supposed to be discontinued,
but because of it's popularity, it will remain in production as Wilson's only
non-widebody frame.

NOTE: Edberg's racquet looks different since he's promoting the Pro Staff
Classic. His frame has the same graphics as the new widebody model.
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From: ac1@cec2.wustl.edu (Anuj Chandra)
Subject: courier vs agassi
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:41:25 GMT

Is the Agassi/Courier match an evening match ( 7:30 est) or
night match ?

thanks

anuj
From: jason@cs.uq.oz.au (Jin Song Dong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: RESULT of Lendl/Becker match
Summary: Lendl won.
Keywords: RESULT of Lendl/Becker match
Date: 9 Sep 92 07:36:27 GMT
Reply-To: jason@cs.uq.oz.au

Lendl beat Becker in 5 sets. But I don't know the scores.

Well done, Lendl.

Hope Lendl can pass Edberg.
From: lemopr@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: ***THANKS***
Date: 11 Sep 92 11:30:31 EDT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

i missed watching the us open this year due to devastation of hurricane ANDREW.
it will take several months before the florida power & light co. restores the
power in south dade (if i decided to re-build my house). tennis courts are all
gone in my area, very depressing, if you are addicted to tennis. thanks for
posting the results....
From: v071rw4p@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (EMIL MARCUS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Snapple
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:48:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


     In article <BuFBF1.5A7@ecf.toronto.edu>, 
     	bonacci@ecf.toronto.edu (BONACCI John) 
     			writes...

$	In article <1992Sep11.162101.8023@news.iastate.edu> 
$>     	taab1@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
$>Snapple will give Lendl the winning edge... Any other Snapple drinkers
$>out there?

$Dwinkers.  You meant Snapple dwinkers!  



     The rather surprising thing about this Snapple concoction is the fact 
that Lendl's add was never show during tennis shows... or was it... 
I've seen it during a... football match...

Emil
--------

     Emil Marcus    V071RW4P@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu    MARCUS@acsu.buffalo.edu
     		
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From: markmc@sierra.com (Mark McWiggins)
Subject: Accurate sour grapes (was: US Open - General Observations)
Organization: Sierra Geophysics Inc.,  Kirkland, Wa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:05:23 GMT

clc5q@hemlock.cs.Virginia.EDU (Clark L. Coleman) writes:

[somebody else]
>>At the post match interview, Agassi is reported to have said
>>that Sampras will take Courier easily in the semis...
>>room must have come from a bad batch!!

>Classic behavior from an 8 year old boy, and unfortunately also from our
>little boy wonder tennis stars who never grew up ...

>So, now Agassi is a childish, sore loser ...

And a 100% accurate predictor of the semifinal match in question.


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