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From: nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau)
Subject: Re: Sydney Sharpe and Don Braid's new book on the Reform Party
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 18:04:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.140634.6190@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>In article <1992Apr08.043038.19322@bmerh2.bnr.ca> nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau) writes:
>>
>>Well, some Christians believe people will be held accountable to their
>>god.  Some Christians (Fundamentalists) seem to think it's their job
>>to do the accounting right away - you'd better play by THEIR reading
>>of god's rules, or else!
>>
>>In which group of Christians do you think Manning fits?  I don't know,
>>and that worries me.
>>
>
>Did Trudeau's religious background, and his charisma, and the cult of
>personality which developed around him ever concern you?  Manning's
>father was premier for Alberta for two decades...Alberta didn't
>exactly become hell on earth...Trudeau was PM of Canada for over
>a decade...Canada didn't exactly become hell on earth.  Politicians
>too are are entitled to freedom of religion...note how easily you
>can push a ridiculous innuendo because Manning is a Christian...
>you could not engage in this kind of innuendo if Manning were 
>Jewish, or Islamic, or Buddhist, without what you are doing 
>probably being called hate-mongering.

Note that I was very disappointed to see Trudeau sneak that reference
to God in the preamble to the Constitution (remember, this wasn't
part of the initial tabled document - it was the last change
introduced before ratification).  I don't see what benefit this
provided, and it does provide the opportunity for future abuse on
religious grounds.

I would be even more nervous is a Muslim fundamentalist was to
start gaining political power, given what I've seen happen in
other countries.  I am opposed to ANYONE trying to impose his
religious agenda - whatever that religion would be.  How would you
feel about a radical atheist taking power?

>Whose agenda is more vague...Preston Manning's or Jean Chretien's?

I have seen Chretien perform - he's a known quantity.  If anything,
he's grown TOO predictable (I used to be a Chretien supporter, but
agree that his wishy-washy attitude since taking the Liberal
leadership has been a disappointment).  I still have little idea
of what to expect from Manning.  But since he might well wind
up as a minor partner in a coalition government in the near future,
we should be able to find out without too much fear...

The Rhealist (Rheal Nadeau)                 |  Bell-Northern Research
Internet:  nadeau@bnr.ca                    |  Ottawa, Ontario, Canada 
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From: umcho000@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Connie Cho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Canada and the U.S.
Date: 6 Apr 92 05:01:28 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

In article <sg9PiB1w165w@halcyon.com> raoul@halcyon.com writes:
>de@cray.com (Duane Eitzen) writes:
>
>> In article <1992Apr4.183354.20792@midway.uchicago.edu> mss2@midway.uchicago.e
>> >
>> >Reading the net, I've gotten the distinct impression that many
>> >Canadians are dissatisfied with US citizens and the way they perceive
>> >and treat Canada and Canadians.  So I'm curious: given Canada and the
>> >US as they are, what should be changed?  What are the primary

[stuff deleted]

>there? They just say "eh?" and play hockey- right?" 
>The biggest change that I would like to see is that Americans look upon 
>Canada as a distinct country apart from the USA.  There are many 
>similarities- but very many differences.
>

Would be better first for Canadians to see Canada as a distinct COUNTRY
(singular)

CKC
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.usa
From: albion@bnr.ca (Alan Buchanan)
Subject: Re: Canada and the U.S.
Originator: albion@bcrks63
Reply-To: alanbu@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Ottawa
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:55:05 GMT


In article <204579@unix.cis.pitt.edu>, jsast@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Jonathan S. Anderson) writes:
> In article <1992Apr5.070324.18773@mdivax1.uucp> robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jim Robinson) writes:
> >
> >- the US practices economic and cultural imperialism wrt Canada
> 
> .....  I think
> the cultural imperialism charge is somewhat unfounded, however.  If Canadians
> really feel that this is the truth, I would humbly beg you to lobby your
> government to increase their funding and support of Radio Canada International.
> Yes, there are people in the US who listen to the service and enjoy it a great
> deal.  Lately, RCI has done little but rebroadcast CBC transmissions.  Many
> of us in the South have never had a problem picking up Canadian AM on our
> transceivers and wish RCI would bring back the programming that we miss.
> In reality, they used to explain Canadian culture and society in rather great
> detail.
> 


The only case of 'cultural imperialism' that I know of is in the attempts
of the US to dislodge the Canada content rules which set quotas for radio
and TV. I think that the Canadian government is less innovative than it
might be in encouraging local development. On the other hand, I believe
that George Bush and Carla Hill have a real problem knowing what culture
is and know nothing of how it is crushed.

A major problem for Canadian production is the economic imperative of
selling into the US. This means that many Canadian productions are skewed
either to have a stereotype Canadian flavour or to be rendered bland 
'North American'. Neither of these would properly reflect contemporary
 Canada.

Last year I saw a very good play located in either Winnipeg or Calgary. 
I remember that Erica Emm was in the cast but I have forgotten the title.
When it was reviewed in New York, it was criticised for having no Canadian
stereotypes like references to hockey. This, in spite of the fact that
it named locations, featured homosexuality, love triangles, and a serial 
killer, all of which have existed in Canada for good or ill.
 


                                Alan


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,rec.sport.misc
From: hlee@unixg.ubc.ca (Henry Lee)
Subject: *** 1992 World Curling Championships (how did Canada do?)
Followup-To: soc.culture.canada
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:00:12 GMT
Expires: Fri, 1 May 1992 05:00:00 GMT

(All follow-ups directed to soc.culture.canada)

		     1992 Safeway World Curling Championships
		     	Garmisch-Partenkirchen, Germany
			    March 29 - April 5, 1992

	Final Standings after Round Robin Play (top 4 teams advancing)

	Men		W L			Women		W L

	Canada		7 2			Sweden		8 1
	Switzerland	6 3			USA		7 2
	USA		6 3			Switzerland	6 3
      x Scotland	5 4			Canada		5 4
	Finland		5 4			Denmark		4 5
	Australia	4 5			Norway		4 5
	England		4 5			Scotland	4 5
	Sweden		4 5			Germany		3 6
	France		2 7			Finland		2 7
	Germany		2 7			Japan		2 7

      x Scotland defeated Finland 5-3 in the tiebreaker to advance.

        Canada - Men : Vic Peters' rink from the Granite Curling Club,
			Winnipeg, Manitoba
			
        Canada - Women : Connie Laliberte from the Fort Rouge Curling Club,
			  Winnipeg, Manitoba

Saturday, April 4

Men Semifinals
		Canada   00010 10010		3
		Scotland 00101 01001		4

		USA	 00200 02002 0		6
		Switz.	 11011 00020 2  	8

Women Semifinals
		Switz.   01030 01002 0		7
		USA	 10201 10110 1		8

		Canada	 10020 01010		5
		Sweden	 02101 10101		7

Sunday, April 5

WOMEN FINALS
		USA	 00100 2010x		4
		Sweden   21011 0201x		8

MEN FINALS
		Switz.	 20100 0201x		6
		Scotland 01010 0010x		3

Notes : The 4 losses incurred by Canada - Women are the most number
	of losses by a Canadian women's team in the world championships.
      : The USA Women appeared for the 1st time in the championship final game.

The 1993 World Curling Championships are to be held in Geneva, Switzerland.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: st17y@rosie.uh.edu (Belding, Troy C.)
Subject: Need Queen Info, Canada, Britain
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:22:00 GMT


To settle an argument with a friend, I need to know what sort of actual 
role in government (Britain's and Canada's) the queen has.  Please email
your responses.  Cutoff date for responses is April 17, please.

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than what I am currently                   HSSM@MENUDO.UH.EDU
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.british
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: Canada and the U.S. and the U.K.
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:52:02 GMT

cthorne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Charles E Thorne) writes:
>
>First, one of the errors I see in U.S. (as well as Canadian) thinking 
>is that we really don't have a world outlook.

Actually, from having lived in a grad dorm with lots of grad students
from all over the world and having rich interaction, this is a problem
all over the planet ...  the only exceptions come from people who have
lived in more than one country, parents of different nationalities, or
embattled minorities who live in segregated communities.

>I'm not sure what this means, but if Britain becomes part of the 
>Common Market,

Britain is one of the twelve stars on the European Community's flag
(12 yellow stars in a circle on a dark navy blue background).  There
is a question of the upcoming European Union, however ...

>I'm not sure Canada would also (France and Germany would probably
>consider both the U.S. and Canada to be former British colonies, 
>not entitled to free trade with the rest of Europe as the result 
>of Britain being in the Common Market

Being seperate, independant countries from Great Britain along with
Australia, New Zealand, etc. they would not be considered elegible for
the EC.  The Trudeau government attempted associate membership with
the EC in the early 70's when they realized we (Canada) were not being
taken very seriously (we opened up to them, but they hedged when it
came the other way); knowing this, we're stuck with sitting down for
the NAFTA with Mexico and the U.S. rather than being part of the EC
*and* the US-Canada FTA (and thus being a bridge between the two).

(Philip Carney of Lancaster (an exchange-visitor at Texas A&M) and I
tried to start up something on this last topic ... no follow-ups by
anyone else.)

>(You really don't think Germany and France will allow American
>Agricultural imports into Europe do you?)

These issues are being addressed in the current Uruguay Rounds of the
GATT talks, negotiations prolonged as a matter fact by this very issue
regarding France's "subsidy" system (actually, it's the guaranteed
purchase of product by farmers, hundreds of thousands of them with a
cow, a couple of chickens, and a small plot of land workable by hand
who receive the equivalent of a welfare cheque).  Recent editions of
the New York Times, the Globe & Mail, the Economist magazine (U.K.)
or business shows on PBS or CNN cover this.

gld
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From: henning@crunch.ikp.physik.th-darmstadt.de (Dr. Peter A. Henning)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Is Canadian Culture European or USA ??
Date: 10 Apr 92 10:33:40 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.canada
Organization: TH-Darmstadt


 
Hi folks !
 
In July and August of this year I will be working in Edmonton, Alberta
as a guest scientist of the Physics Dept., UAlberta. My family will join
me then (wife, son of three years and a baby 9 months), and we will
travel Alberta for some weeks. 

What bothers me is the following: 
when my son was 8 months, we went to New York for one year.
We had a lot of trouble with the child then: American baby food glasses are
20 % flour, diapers are scented, water is both polluted and chlorinated,
you do not have decent washing machines etc. We also had problems to move 
in the house we had rented, with my status as research scientist, and lots
more of unpleasant things.

The first few weeks in the US were so difficult for us  -- 
when a guy asked me how I like it then, I told him it was exactly as in
Moscow (USSR, not Illinois), where I had worked some months earlier. Now
it has grown worse in Moscow, but also in New York City.

How, and that is the point, how will it be in Canada ? It is a much shorter
visit - unfortunately, because that means we have much less opportunity
to learn about you people. Are you, pardon me, more the American kind,
more European -- or simply (and of course more specific) Canadian ?   
 
I would appreciate some comments on this (deliberately) provocative
question.

  
--
pah 

______________________________________________________________________________
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  Institut f. Kernphysik der TH Darmstadt, W-6100 Darmstadt, Germany 
  ++49-6151-16-2579
  henning@crunch.ikp.physik.th-darmstadt.de 

  Gesellschaft fuer Schwerionenforschung GSI, W-6100 Darmstadt, Germany
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.british
From: cthorne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Charles E Thorne)
Subject: Re: Canada and the U.S. and the U.K.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:14:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.155109.27768@mdivax1.uucp> robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jim Robinson) writes:
>jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr8.084346.6620@midway.uchicago.edu> mss2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>As noted above, this does happen, though I still think that the
>>>US and Canada are too valuable to one another to let those
>>>disagreements get too bitter.

>>I think, as a Canadian, it would be incredibly good for the morale of the
>>Canadian people (and might just push Mulroney's popularity up enough for
>>him to get re-elected) if Canada severed all trade ties with the US.  We
>>can survive easily without US trade.  I don't think the US can say the same.

>I believe that Canada generates about 25%-30% of its GDP from exports. The
>US is by far Canada's largest trading partner. Thus, severing all trade
>ties with the US would be economic suicide. As well, it would only delay
>the inevitable restructuring of the economy required to go into the 21st
>century. The globalization of the economy means that Canada has the choice
>of trying to compete with everyone else (including the US) or turn into an
>economic Albania.

>The US, on the other hand, generates a smaller percentage of its GDP from
>trade - the number 12% comes to mind, but I could be wrong. In other words,
>Canada would hurt quite a bit more than the US would if all trade ties were
>severed.

I'm cross-posting this to scb as well since I think these issues include
the United Kingdom as well as the U.S. and Canada.

First, one of the errors I see in U.S. (as well as Canadian) thinking is that
we really don't have a world outlook.  That's partly the fault of our schools
since (although we study World history) it turns out to be the World before
the U.S. rebelling from Britain and then occasionally including European events
if they involve the U.S.  The last time U.S. students study the British Parliament is re: George III.  Likewise, many Europeans don't know much about U.S.
government (even though it hasn't changed much in 200 years).

>>What the clowns in Ottawa should realize is that Canada can afford to bargain
>>from a vantage of strength.  We have more resources to offer.  Reducing trade
>>with the US could increase the strength of the Canadian dollar on the world
>>market (but would also increase inflation; something we could stand with 
>>one of the lowest inflation rates in the world).

I'm not sure what this means, but if Britain becomes part of the Common Market,
I'm not sure Canada would also (France and Germany would probably consider both
the U.S. and Canada to be former British colonies, not entitled to free trade
with the rest of Europe as the result of Britain being in the Common Market (You really don't think Germany and France will allow American Agricultural imports into Europe do you?)

Charlie


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.usa
From: robinson@mdivax1.uucp (Jim Robinson)
Subject: Re: Canada and the U.S.
Reply-To: robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jim Robinson)
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Distribution: na
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:52:05 GMT

jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.084346.6620@midway.uchicago.edu> mss2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>As noted above, this does happen, though I still think that the
>>US and Canada are too valuable to one another to let those
>>disagreements get too bitter.
>
>I think, as a Canadian, it would be incredibly good for the morale of the
>Canadian people (and might just push Mulroney's popularity up enough for
>him to get re-elected) if Canada severed all trade ties with the US.  We
>can survive easily without US trade.  I don't think the US can say the same.

I believe that Canada generates about 25%-30% of its GDP from exports. The
US is by far Canada's largest trading partner. Thus, severing all trade
ties with the US would be economic suicide. As well, it would only delay
the inevitable restructuring of the economy required to go into the 21st
century. The globalization of the economy means that Canada has the choice
of trying to compete with everyone else (including the US) or turn into an
economic Albania.

The US, on the other hand, generates a smaller percentage of its GDP from
trade - the number 12% comes to mind, but I could be wrong. In other words,
Canada would hurt quite a bit more than the US would if all trade ties were
severed.

>What the clowns in Ottawa should realize is that Canada can afford to bargain
>from a vantage of strength.  We have more resources to offer.  Reducing trade
>with the US could increase the strength of the Canadian dollar on the world
>market (but would also increase inflation; something we could stand with 
>one of the lowest inflation rates in the world).

I'm sorry but I do not see how *reducing* trade would *increase* the
Canadian dollar. Reducing trade would be seen as a step backwards by the
money people. They would take their money out of Canada; thus, the dollar
would fall. Interest rates would rise in response in an attempt to bolster
the dollar. Thus, we would be left with higher interest rates and a dollar
of less value than present. The lower dollar would make imports cost more
- thus increased inflation. The higher interest rates would make local
goods and services cost more - thus increased inflation. So we would be
left with a lower dollar, higher interest rates, and higher inflation. Not
exactly a good situation.

-- 
Jim Robinson
robinson@mdivax1.mdd.comm.mot.com
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.british
From: jswilson@mta.ca (SCOTT_WILSON)
Subject: Re: Queen of Canada
Reply-To: jswilson@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 14:28:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.031710.11425@watserv1.waterloo.edu>, asaranga@sunee.waterloo.edu (Andrew Sarangan) writes:
>Some were surprised to find that our largest province is actually French 
>speaking. 

Sure our largest province is french.... but the rest of Canada speaks english
it may be big, but land size doesn't count the same as the number of people


>Obviously their argument was based on the observation that our
>head of state was the queen of England and that we carry her symbol
>in most of our currency notes.

It is called tradition!!!
This was a British Colony, we always had the queen on our money... and in
case you didn't notice most of the big bills now have Canadians on them!

>I was somewhat insulted when someone remarked that I couldn't possibly be 
>a Canadian since I was a visible minority and clearly not an anglosaxon.  

There are lots of ignorant people in the world aren't there... don't take
to heart what everyone says... obviously they don't know that Canada is one
of the most culturally diverse countries in the world. But don't judge the
people on a whole because of a few comments.

I also spent a year in England, besides the few comments on the snow
(ie. do we all drive snowmobiles - live in egloos  -- which I took as
jokes), and the english/french problem... most English people loved 
Canada, viewing us as an America with nice people (ie. not arrogant, etc.)
 
>Although the queen has no power and serves only as a symbol
>for ceremonial purposes if it brings insult to Canadians like me and
>millions of others who are not of British descent there is little
>purpose in keeping her in that position.

First of all, the Queen does serve a purpose.  She is responsible for signing
all the bills.  In Canada we have a governor general, and that person acts
as an agent to the Queen, who signs bills, etc.

I say bullshi-, if you do not understand that Canada is British based then
piss off back to Norway or where-ever.  Britain fought many years to secure
Canada from the French.  If it insults you're poor little ego then go home
the Queen is as much as a part of Canada as the beaver and the maple leaf.
She is OUR queen as well.

>Some of my Norwegian friends couldn't understand why we have the 
>queen on our currency. They went around showing all their friends
>"Wow, these guys have the queen of England on their money!"
>
>Andrew


Obviously your friends are as nieve as the people who said you weren't 
Canadian because you are a visible minority.  If they don't understand
the traditions of Canada then they shouldn't comment should they.
The Queen of England is also the Queen of Canada.  Maybe you should 
enlighten them so they don't remain in the dark  - (opps guess they'll
have to wait till summer, 24 hour darkness in Norway in winter isn't
there?)


JSWILSON@MTA.CA 
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