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From: rubio@HAN.Paramax.COM (Stuart Rubio)
Subject: Re: Village Origins
Originator: rubio@hpwisf1.han.paramax.com
Organization: ^
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:22:26 GMT

In article <SPANTON.92Sep30091703@oswald.cs.odu.edu> spanton@oswald.cs.odu.edu (William Spanton) writes:
>    While reading B.F. Skinner's Walden Two, originaly published in 1948,
>                                 ^^^^^^^^^^                              
>I couldn't help but notice the resemblence it had with the Village.  A society
>where one does not need to strive for happiness, people earn "work units,"
>and no one knows who the real boss is.  Are there any other would-be models
>for the Village?  Was the Village based on anything?

How about the European Not-so-united Common Market?

How about the defunct Soviet Union?

How about the written declaration of the National Education Association
goals for American youth by the year 2000?

How about the Perfect Society of Aristotle>

History is filled with people who have believed in the perfection of
some architecture over the human spirit. Philosophers and dictators
have always clung to such fantasy.
Fortunately, they always fail in the end.


>P.S.  On page 210 (Walden Two) "She made a little ring with her thumb and
>forefinger and held it near her eye."
>
>Be seeing you?

Peace and long life,

Stuart
From: mjs@wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu (The Lord of the Damned)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: The "alternate" version of Chimes of Big Ben...
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:12:07 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Angst Programming I.G.


i have just recently purchased the "alternate" version of _The Chimes of
Big Ben_ (the version that was used as a press release before the show was
initially aired) and have noticed that the sounds is really abomidable in
places... This is the MCI (??? i think that is the company name that sells
prisoner tapes) tape... 

i was simply wondering if anyone else has this tape and if it _is_ really
bad quality or if it was just my tape...

mark
thedamned

p.s. ObPrisonerWeirdness:  After watching _Arrival_ for the first time in
quite a long time and then _Chimes of Big Ben_ i noticed a VERY VERY
similar seen, almost identical in both.  #6 is sitting playing chess on the
lawn above the stone boat with an ex-miliary person (an Admiral in
_Arrival_ and a General in _tCoBB_) when he looks behind him at the
incoming helicopter and the ex-military person says something like:
"Now young man, you are not paying attention".  It was just odd, deja-vu
inside of a TV show...

p.p.s. (well i thought it was odd anyway....)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: voiceovers
From: mnor1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Mark Hiro           Norman         )
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 08:43:21 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

In <19923.4713.2058@dosgate> "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com> writes:

>RE: Voiceovers

> They are everywhere, and I HATE them. 'bout time we did something, like
>calling the TV Stations. But, would they listen? Probably not.

Interesting. They only introduced voiceovers in New Zealand a few years ago,
and there was a big stink but now they're all over the place. The argument
FOR them (made by the TV stations) was something like: you want them, at least
you'll realise you want them in the end, so we're going to stuff the damn
things down your throats until you get used to them. Everybody complained,
especially when voiceovers were used over the closing credits of programs
where the music was the actual point of the program (eg video show, choir
singing show), or where the action onfilm was still going on (some movies).

The latest development here (somehow I get the idea that all of these
'developments' were really just imported from overseas advertising firms)
is to crunch up the picture to leave a margin in the left about 1/5 of the
width of the TV, to place an ad in (for a program to come). Insane! I wonder
what they'll do when they crunch up the credits for a movie which has had
the picture crunched up already (common practice when screening pan&scan
movies is to show the credits (before and after) squeezed in the TV ratio).

Aren't we lucky we have the nice marketing executives of TV stations to
make these important decisions for us?

>Regards,
>Dale Clayton
>-----------------------
>dale.clayton@canrem.com


-- 
Mark Norman           | My university doesn't let me send email.
mnor1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz | "We Hate It When Our Friends Become Successful..."
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From: Cohena@mdc.com (Andy Cohen)
Subject: Re: The End
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 21:43:58 GMT
Organization: MDSSC-Space Station
Followup-To: alt.tv.prisoner

In article <28048@nntp_server.ems.cdc.com>, rickh@ems.cdc.com (Richard
Herwig) wrote:
> 
> I hate to do this but I just found this newsgroup and I have to 
> know.  What happened in the end?  I've never seen the last show
> 'cause everytime it's been on I either out of town or something.
> (Obviously I didn't have a VCR either).

I've seen it a dozen times over the years....and these days I got my own
copy.....
What happened in the end?       DARNED IF I KNOW!!!!!!

Actually a lot of stuff.....rent it and the one before it from Blockbuster
Video and don't expect it to be as obvious as Secret Agent.
From: bb099@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Adam Trent Phillips)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Looking for FAQ
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:49:45 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


	Please send FAQ to any address in my signature file.


-- 
"Speak to me in many voices, make them all sound like one.
 Let me see your sacred mysteries. Reveal to me the unknown tounge."--B.O.C.
A. Trent Phillips | bb099@cleveland.freenet.edu | alias: White Rook
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From: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Subject: voiceovers
Reply-To: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 3 Oct 92 17:12:45 EST

RE: Voiceovers

 They are everywhere, and I HATE them. 'bout time we did something, like
calling the TV Stations. But, would they listen? Probably not.

Regards,
Dale Clayton
-----------------------
dale.clayton@canrem.com
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From: fts5792@zeus.tamu.edu (SRONCE, FRANK T)
Subject: Re: general cluelessness
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:35:00 GMT

>A:	The whole surreal saga was an attempt by the Village to break No.6
>	by getting him to accept a number, any number, in this case No.2!
>	If No.6 had become the new No.2 the Village would have won him over.
>	This theory is supported by "Shattered Visage" the Prisoner sequel
>	graphic novel.
> 
>B:	The whole episode, like the whole series, is an allegory. (SPOILER
>	ALERT, SPOILER ALERT!) This is supported by No.6 discovering that 
>	No.1 is in fact himself, he is his own jailer, we are all prisoners
>	of our own desires, etc., etc.
> 
>C:	Half way through "Once Upon a Time" (the 2nd last episode) No.6
>	goes insane, completely ga-ga, as a result of the strain of
>	Degree Absolute. Everything in Fall Out, therefore, is an
>	hallucination. I favour the point in OUaT just after the "bombing
>	raid" where No.6 and No.2's positions have suddenly been reversed
>	as being the point where No.6 lost a few sandwiches out of his
>	picinic basket.
> 
>I hop that all this helps, but remember:
>		"Questions are a burden to others,
>		 and answers a prison for oneself".
> 
>Be Seeing You,
> 
>XO4.

Personally, I hold for the idea that the Village is being run by an inhuman
agency (see the not-too-hot-but-interesting-anyway GURPS Prisoner suppliment) 
and that FALL OUT was entirely literal. 

Any computer not built with error codes (the General does not have an
"insufficient data" or "insufficient memory" error code... it just keeps trying
to solve the problem until it explodes) is definitely Cthulhean in origin.

Kiz

"Personally, I adhere to the Bergsonian idea of laughter as a social sanction 
against inflexible behavior... Oh, excuse me for a moment."

"And now for something completely different."

Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
From: spanton@oswald.cs.odu.edu (William Spanton)
Subject: Village Origins
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, USA
Distribution: alt
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:17:03 GMT

    While reading B.F. Skinner's Walden Two, originaly published in 1948,
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^                              
I couldn't help but notice the resemblence it had with the Village.  A society
where one does not need to strive for happiness, people earn "work units,"
and no one knows who the real boss is.  Are there any other would-be models
for the Village?  Was the Village based on anything?

P.S.  On page 210 (Walden Two) "She made a little ring with her thumb and
forefinger and held it near her eye."

Be seeing you?
From: Bernard.Stern@info.unine.ch
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: Avengers In-Joke?
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:18:07 GMT
Organization: University of Neuchatel, Switzerland

In article <1992Oct2.071039.4775@u.washington.edu>, friesen@stein.u.washington.edu (Craig Friesen) writes:
> musjjh@lure.latrobe.edu.au writes:
> 
>>Last night I was watching an episode of The Avengers, Iv'e forgotten the title
>>but it was a Dianna Rigg episode in colour and dealt with homing pigeons
>>being used to secretly make ariel photos of missle bases. 
> It's called "The Bird Who Knew Too Much" or very close to that. 
> 
>>Does anyone know when this episode was filmed?
> I looked it up.  My book didn't know when it was filmed, but it first aired
> in England February of 1967.  (5th season, 3rd episode)
> 
> Don't know how any of the prisoner stuff fits in...I haven't seen the episode.

(rest deleted)


Well, someday an 'Avengers' item had to pop up in this newsgroup.

This summer, the French public TV FR3 aired (alas, I have to use the past, here)
many Avengers episodes (The Avengers in Color), amongst which was the one you 
query about. All episodes were briefly introduced by a British journalist whose
name I forget for the moment (but who interviewd Diana 'Emma Peel' Rigg this
summer). Anyway, here's the info:

Title of episode : The Bird who knew too much.
Subtitle         : Steed fancies pigeons-Emma gets the bird.

That's all I know about it; as my VCR utterly distastefully ran amock, I 
couldn't check for the date. I guess you should be reading the book called
'The Complete Avengers'.

                                           Bonjour chez vous, Le Baron Alucard.
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
From: buckmr@vccsouth24.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: My opinion on it
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:34:37 GMT

berninge@iron.ecn.purdue.edu (James A Berninger) writes:

>It may not seem preachy to most of us, but there are more than
>enough <derogatory namecalling> in this country to raise a big
>enough stink that such a scene would only serve to propogate a
>"sinful and abnormal lifestyle".  Anyone remember the supposed
>boycott that one Detroit woman tried to raise against virtually
>every Fox program (in particular, Married with Children) because she
>thought it was trashy?

>IMHO, there's always *someone* who'll think any scene is "preachy".
Well, we definitely don't have to limit what reasonable people see because of
right-wing extremists who think any mention of homoexuality is wrong.

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C., April 25 1993''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
``Our erogenous zones are not demilitarized.''--Essex Hemphill,_Ceremonies_.
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From: berninge@iron.ecn.purdue.edu (James A Berninger)
Subject: Re: My opinion on it
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:41:38 GMT

In article <cornell.717453618@vivaldi> cornell@syl.dl.nec.com writes:
>berninge@iron.ecn.purdue.edu (James A Berninger) writes:
>>...  For that
>>matter, how can a gay character be used that *can't* come across as
>>preaching?
>How about show up to one of the pool-party/BBQ parties that they have
>at the apt. complex with a date?  Maybe mention some of his friends
>or why he doesn't have any?  Perhaps just put him in a romantic
>situation like the few Billy has been in?  Those didn't seem too
>preachy.

It may not seem preachy to most of us, but there are more than
enough <derogatory namecalling> in this country to raise a big
enough stink that such a scene would only serve to propogate a
"sinful and abnormal lifestyle".  Anyone remember the supposed
boycott that one Detroit woman tried to raise against virtually
every Fox program (in particular, Married with Children) because she
thought it was trashy?

IMHO, there's always *someone* who'll think any scene is "preachy".

Jim Berninger                   ______ "This is no 'Whoops!'  This is
berninge@cs.purdue.edu          \    /  an 'Aaaaaaaauuuuuggggghhhh!'"
B0.2 f(~) w- c- g k? s- e r- p   \  /   - Harvey ("Arnold") Fierstein
Green Lantern Fan, Extraordinaire \/      "Torch Song Trilogy"
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
From: huangf@athena.ecs.csus.edu (Francis Huang)
Subject: twentysomething/thirtysomething
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 01:40:52 GMT

Greetings,

   This is just a test posting, but I was also wondering if anyone knew
how I might get a copy of the scripts to thirtysomething.  I didn't know
where else to put this question, so I put it in alt.tv.melrose-place
since it seemed more relevant than other newsgroups and isn't getting
much action.  (and the news.announce.newusers isn't working here).

	Thanks.
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
From: mbn@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Mike Northam)
Subject: Re: Anchor Steam Beer
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro  OR
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 22:56:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.195406.23568@news2.cis.umn.edu> lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
>In article <1aa3dkINN211@agate.berkeley.edu> kpatel@roger-rabbit.cs.berkeley.edu (KETAN DASHARATH PATEL) writes:
>>Love the show, love the newsgroup.
>>I saw someone mention Anchor Steam beer being served at the Brick,
>>and thought I would comment.
>
>[stuff deleted.]
>
>>The funny thing is that there are a LOT of Seattle beers they could 
>>have chosen to add local flavor or they could have gone with Henry's,
>>the quintessential Oregon beer that's been around for a long time and
>>very popular on the West Coast. 
>
>If you haven't seen Seattle beers on Northern Exposure, then you need to
>look a little more closely. Last night for example, I noticed a Ballard's
>Bitter sign at the bar. In the past shows, many of the Seattle micro
>breweries have had some product placement. I think I've seen a couple
>of Oregonian beers too. (Hood River Full Sail Ale and Pyramid? Is that right?)

Pyramid is brewed in Kalama, Washington, not far from Portland, OR.

>
>As far as beers go, the taps & bottles all tend to be smaller breweries. You
>almost never (ever?) see a Miller or Bud bottle. Maybe they consider
>Blitz-Weinhardt too big for the the show.

Don't forget that the interior scenes for The Brick are actually
filmed in a tavern in Redmond, WA, so it's not surprising to see all
those northwest beer neons on the wall.  Microbreweries are very
popular in this part of the country and there are *many* taverns
around here that look like "The Brick" in this regard.

-- 
Mike Northam, Shorter Software Solutions, on contract to Intel Corp.
(h) (503) 324-1831 (intel office) (503) 696-4860 (shorter) (503) 357-1010
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From: firenza@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Timothy Mark Collins)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Ooops!  Adjoiner to "Season Premiere"
Date: 29 Sep 1992 16:10:13 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Sep29.142846.26464@news.acns.nwu.edu> velour@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michelle Wiener) writes:
>
>Forgot to mention that Steve, the one lover who never appeared on the show,
>had been struck by lightning while working on an oil rig.  So the curse
>started long before Maggie reached Cicely.  :)
>
>Michelle

  Actually, I think Steve was only on the rig taking pictures for some reason.
That sort of makes it even more of a fluke.  I loved that the boyfriend who
froze on the glacier was shivering the whole time.  

firenza@wpi.wpi.edu

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From: gworrell@carina.unm.edu (Gayla M. Worrell)
Subject: Re: One more time- Who did Toy Cows?
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 17:13:27 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Oct2.040556.7617@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (John Grabowski) writes:
>
>So why not write to the producers of NE and ask them who did it?
>
A group called `Chance' did it.  But it's not been released as a recording
and now were waiting to see if they call (oops, I'm terribly sorry that I've
forgotten the name of the really nice person who worked really hard to find
all of this information and for whom I'm waiting patiently to post more
information) to say if we can get it!  

			Gayla


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From: ertle@kira.uvm.edu The Sneaky Devil
Subject: Re: Chris-in-the-morning
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: default
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:34:50 GMT

In <1992Sep29.222926.29424@oct17.dfe.dec.com> hensley@melkor.enet.dec.com (Irene Hensley) writes:



>Maybe I noticed this because I was already keyed into the possibility that
>Chris has a past_to_hide, but I twigged on his getting his engineers
>certificate as not only a way of becoming 'legit' in his field, but an
>inadvertent way of making himself visible.  This looked like a "seed" for 
>an episode later in the season where his past concould confront him.

>just my taking note...

   There has been a little said about Chris's past - there was one
episode in which they are holding elections and Chris can't vote
because he had been convicted of a felony.
   I'm sure that there have been other references which more avid
watchers will be able to remember.
--
James A. Ertle                       |... she's actin' happy, inside her
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From: george@tessi.com (George Mitchell)
Subject: Re: "Season Premiere"
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:30:30 GMT

bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
>Hey guys...it was a illness-induced dream!  Steve is not for sure dead.
>And there is no curse...just a few strange coinsidences...  :^)

And, as I have to keep reminding myself every so often, they're all
fictional characters.  That's not even Janine Turner we're seeing!
It's Janine Turner's image, after passing through a staggering number
of optical, chemical, and electrical transformations.  In fact,
these aren't even real words you're reading . . .
-- George Mitchell (george@tessi.com)
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From: rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen)
Subject: Re: Canoe last night
Organization: University of Virginia
 I just need to see if my editor is posting.. email me if you see this.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:49:50 GMT
From: zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (John Grabowski)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: One more time- Who did Toy Cows?
Date: 2 Oct 92 04:05:56 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5


So why not write to the producers of NE and ask them who did it?


John
From: hansell@fire.atmo.arizona.edu (Seth Hansell)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Anchor Steam Beer
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:40:10 GMT
Organization: Department of Atmospheric Physics


  Speaking about beers, hanging on the wall at the brick is a beer 
logo for Full Sail Ales.  This is a little unlikely (IMHO) since I
don't beleive that it distributes far from the Seattle area, but 
even still it is better than a Bud logo or some such.
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: sex & death & Joel
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:06:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.025843.26200@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek) writes:
>Prediction:  When Rob Morrow's contract runs out, Joel will have sex with
>Maggie.  Afterwards, he will be mauled by a bear.

Arthur?

How 'bout the moose?



--
"Sounds interesting....  Sounds interesting...."
				-- Homer Simpson
From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Season Premiere
Date: 2 Oct 92 02:26:52 GMT
	<1992Sep30.183926.28531@indetech.com>
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

Maybe Joel will sleep with Maggie and then become convinced he is
dying? 
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: A question about bears...
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 04:08:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.160602.15038@tamsun.tamu.edu>
jps4800@tamsun.tamu.edu (John Parrish Schweers) writes:
>Shooting a bear will just piss him off.

Perhaps.
Or it might reduce the species by one more.  Then another, then another,
and if the reproductive rate is exceeded by the mortality rate, then
we have succeeded in extincting them.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
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From: 002369c@ace.acadiau.ca (WILLIAM FREDERICK CUSTANCE)
Subject: GOOD MORNING DOCTOR FLEISEMAN?
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:26:14 GMT

Sorry 'bout the name guys...But I'd like to settle a small dispute.
I say Marilynn has said "Good morning Dr. Fleichman",pardon the spelling.
He says Marilynn says "Good morning"
Who's right? Who's wrong? We both wrong? 
			



			WF
			C 

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From: smorine@nyx.cs.du.edu (Suzanne Morine)
Subject: Re: Season's premier, loud musical score?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 20:58:39 GMT

[about volume of music on premiere, whether it was just cable, and/or
just local]

I don't get cable here (Denver) and I thought the music was too loud, too.

--
--Suzanne Morine          smorine@nyx.cs.du.edu
--"Toleration is the greatest gift of the mind; it requires the same effort
--of the brain that it takes to balance oneself on a bicycle."  Helen Keller
--
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