From: cms@dragon.com
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re:  Lost postings.....
Date: 28 Jan 93 08:27:55 GMT
Organization: Computer Projects Unlimited

In article <Jan.19.00.23.53.1993.2116@farside.rutgers.edu>, mikeh@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (michael p.herlihy) writes:
> I wonder if someone on the net can help me. I'm trying
> to find a book.  It was written by a French Protestant
> monk.  The book was a discourse on the Rosary titled
> something like:
> 
> 	"Five for Sorrow, Ten for Joy"
> 
> If you know the real title, author and ISBN it would be great.
> 
> If you know if it is still in print, it would be fantastic

 "Five for Sorrow Ten for Joy:  A Consideration of the Rosary" was 
written by J. Neville Ward.  I have a copy of the revised edition with 
a new introduction by the author.  It is published in the US by:

	Cowley Publications
	980 Memoria Drive
	Cambridge, MA   02138

 The author, Neville Ward, is a Methodist minister serving an 
ecumenical parish in Canterbury and "is principally concerned with 
seeking a contemporary understanding of Christian prayer."  This is 
according to the back of the book.

 Cowley Publications, by the way, "is a work of the Society of St. 
John the Evangelist, a religious community for men in the Episcopal 
Church.  The books we publish are a significant part of our ministry, 
together with the work of preaching, spiritual direction, and 
hospitality.  Our aim is to provide books that will enrich their 
readers' religious experience and challenge it with fresh approaches 
to religious concerns."  They've put out some really terrific books, 
including a really excellent book on the Sacrament of Confession in 
the Episcopal Church.  The Society of St. John the Evangelist is 
dedicated to encouraging Christians to make use of this wonderful 
Sacrament.  I picked up my copy, by the way, in an Episcopal Cathedral 
bookshop (no surprise).

 At any rate, FIVE FOR SORROW TEN FOR JOY is a wonderfully spiritual 
book and has helped me in my prayer life tremendously.  Praying the 
Rosary has more than enhanced my personal relationship with Jesus 
Christ.  Neville takes you through each of the Mysteries, offering 
profound insights.  From the Fifth Glorious Mystery, the Coronation of 
Mary as Queen of Heaven and Earth:

	As the years go on and the Church's memory becomes long, its 
	experience of the communion of saints, of the continual giving 
	and receiving of love throughout the whole body, becomes so 
	full of meaning that the mind cannot comprehend it.  There is 
	the need for some form and instance of it all to stand clear 
	and lovable in the mind and be the particular through which 
	the whole is represented.  Nothing could be more natural than 
	that Christians should find this is the Blessed Virgin Mary, 
	their most loved sister in Christ, the first Christ-lover and 
	model of the Christ-centred life, the sign of the call and 
	destiny of the Church.  Representing all, she becomes the 
	Queen of Saints whose prayers all lovers of Christ need and 
	want, to help them love him more and serve him better.

	In the Rosary the Mother of Jesus is not asked for anything 
	other than her prayers.  In the public worship of the Church 
	she and the saints are normally only asked for their prayers.  
	The private prayer of the Christian is rightly freer, and in 
	this freedom, under influences of temperament or personal need 
	or misunderstanding of the truth as it is in Christ, it may 
	take forms which may be difficult to justify.  But Christian 
	praying is learned primarily not in isolation but within a 
	tradition, in communion with the whole Church in the liturgy.  
	By continually taking his personal praying into the common 
	prayer of the Church the believer exposes it to enlargements 
	and purifications that save it from eccentricity and 
	immaturity.

This is from page 133.  The Church is comprised of people who pray.  
How we pray can affect our experience with the divine.  I don't agree 
with everything Neville says in his book, but I appreciate his 
insights.  I highly recommend it.

> MIke
> Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly.
> Orthodoxy (1908), Chapter 7, G. K. Chesterton 1874-1936  

In Jesus Son of Mary,

Cindy Smith
cms@dragon.com

p.s.  The ISBN is 0-936384-36-0

Persevere in prayer, being watchful in it with thanksgiving; at the 
same time, pray for us, too, that God may open a door to us for the 
word, to speak of the mystery of Christ.
                                         -- Colossians 4:3