From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: "democratic" Estonia
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 11:00:07 GMT

muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:
: >British did in India after independence.
: 
: Am I wrong that English is at least among official languges of India?
: I think I can find couple of other examples. If you are so eager to 
: call your country colony, you should think about fact that the colonies
: which did not expell their colonizers are much better off :).


What Mukharsky is writing is bad joking. We find a lot of examples
which are quite contrary and  one not far away from Estonia. When the
russians were expelled 1917 from Finland first then real progress began
in Finland, Finland as an independent country.



1940 when SU troops came to Estonia they took 28 army installations
from the Estonians as such and kept them for themselves. Now when demanding
the XSU troops to go away for Estonia CIS troops are not compensating
the damages made, the opposite, the recruits try to destroy accommodation,
sell the property abroad. In Tallinn CIS officers have build a company
which sells metals from the army installation abroad. When the Estonians
try to prevent such, The CIS people get angry because it is harmful for their
businesses.
It seems to me and so is also Finnish newspapers writing that their
is going on a campaign against Estonians where the Estonians are
exposed as crooks and the russians "pitiful" victims of Estonian
colonialism!  Itar-Tass is active in this and a huge machinery of
the old XSU, today CIS/Russia, has traditionally know how how
 to spread disinformation for instance about citizenship laws in Estonia. 

Viszniyk and many other Russian net-writers seem to be a part of this
campaing actively. Important seems to be an opinion building against Estonians
and show up that there are the russians in danger in Estonia so that
the presence of Russian/CIS army were justified. Unfortunately the Estonians
have not the rescourses to explain to the people facts falsified
by the Russia and russians.

When the Estonians require a stay of three years as a minimum length of
stay in Estonia before one can apply citizenship so the russians
are spreading information about discrimination. In Russia it  is
possible that people get hooked on that information because people
over there lack know how about these kind of things. Sometimes I really
suspect that Vizniyk is a KGB people because he is so active in spreading
such information what KGB would like and some ultra nationals in Russia.
Also the way to turn up and down the contents of the words like democracy,
rasism,SU v. russians seem to me very typical tactics of KGB.
You just try to give an other content for the words,disinfomation etc.
So I were not at all suprised if Vizniyk & Co were revealed as 
former or present KGB people.

When the Nazis had to give up Baltic states c. 1945 had not the germans have to
leave the area? I think yes. They were occupants and had to leave.
So are considered XSU citizens in Estonia too.
 Why this is so difficult to understand for the russians/ukrainians?
Poor education in history? Bad know how about past and presence?
Prapaganda? Something fundamental between the ears hinder to understand
what XSU (russians) have done in Baltic states? Too little knowledge
about Europe, because of a long isolation?
There is needed research and adult education among the russians surely
in these things. 
We have a hard work ahead but we will do it. I am sure. Those russians
who are well educated and travelled around understand these things I
have written abouve very well. It is not a problem. They are unfortunately
so few still.
Jarmo Ryyti

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