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From: raym@runner.asd.sgi.com (Raymond Mascia)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: RE: Galloway's Marathon Schedule
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:20:16 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <840@jgaltstl.UUCP>, terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt) writes:
|> In article <43VO020T20ep01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, tad10@ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Dickinson) writes:
|> 
|> > I also like his idea of cutting your long run mileage in 
|> > half on alternate weeks (your long runs for the last
|> > several weeks would be ...18,9,20,10,22,11,24,12,26,13 for
|> > example) to give your body plenty of rest, but I'm not
|> > sure it provides enough overall mileage for a successful
|> > marathon.
|> > 
|> So what do YOU define as a successful marathon? If you are defining
|> a successful marathon as finishing, then yes, you will be
|> successful. Overall mileage is not as important, in my opinion,
|> as the number of long runs.
|> 

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|> -- 
|>   Terry Linhardt                ...!wupost!jgaltstl!terry 
|>                                 terry%jgaltstl.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu  

I have a theory regarding long runs. I believe the ability to run >10-12
miles consistantly without injury is not given to most runners.
I've seen many follow this type of schedule and get injured. They build up
to 18-20 miles and then it's limp city.

Assuming that you want to complete a marathon, and not set a PR.
I suggest to build your long run up to 10 to 15 max, and maintain this
distance for a couple of months. If your careful, you can increase your
speed on the successive runs to build strength and confidence.
Then run the marathon as that really long run. It will really tire you
out because you don't have a great base. But you won't waste your
bodies ability to run long once on the streets. Even if you develop a
problem you'll most likely limp in to finish the BIG one. Remember
whats-his-name only ran it once.

I've run 8 marathons, and successfully completed 7. Best of 3:09, worst
(naturally in Boston) of ~3.30. Based on never running farther than
15 miles, and never repeated longer than 12 miles. I don't feel I
have any speed in my genes, ie not gifted. This technique worked for
me.

As an aside, I use the alternate week 15 miles now for 10K racing. I
believe that technique is good, and allows recovery.

Ray Mascia
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: teshima@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (A. Lani Teshima)
Subject: Re: New York Times Article on Jazz 3000
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:24:56 GMT

In article <5700029@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com> smay@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Scott Smay) writes:
>I don't get it. Consumer Reports rates a product highly, the product is advertised with the facts of CR's rating, and CR and its readers get all upset. Big 
>deal--if I was the mfger, I'd ignore it--unless I thought it would affect
>CR's rating of my product in the future, inwhich case CR isn't very objective
>anyway. What is CR's interest in not having their ratings mentioned by the
>manufacturer, unless it was represented as an endorsement?

Consumer Reports accepts _no_ advertising, period. Not from anybody.
This way, they will avoid any sort of conflict of interest with a
paying advertiser's products and a bad rating for the product. Some
magazines are notorious for giving rave reviews for companies that
spend tens of thousands of dollars every issue for full-page ads (Skin
Diver Magazine is the first that comes to mind), while they ignore
products on the market that the manufacturer won't advertise in the
magazine. CR advertises itself as completely objective and unbiased.
It does not print advertisements in its magazines, and neither do they
accept manufacturers who were rated highly to advertise their rating
in their own ads, hence the ire of CR readers about Hyde mentioning CR
in their ads. Hyde is seen by CR as using their high rating to boost
sales. The rating iself would boost sales, but CR does not allow it to
be mentioned in ads. Hope this makes sense. CR readers are very
loyal--whenever readers find companies mentioning CR ratings in their
ads, they are encouraged to "turn them in," so to speak. The way
companies get around this policy is to be generic and say "our shoes
were rated "Best Buy" by consumers!" and not mention CR by name. CR
apparently let these slide.
>
>Incidentally, I find CR's ratings of running shoes truly bizarre. The most
>durable shoe I ever found (going on 6 pairs--is this contradictory?) was
>rated as having especially poor durability by CR. I can't fault their
>objectivity, though--they just reported what happened on their wear
>simulator.

I believe the article said the shoes were also worn by people and
tried out for something like 50 miles. Perhaps you wear your shoes
differently than the CR people or their wear simulator. :)


--
A. Lani Teshima (teshima@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.edu)       o | /_/_/ "Sea Hare"
Student, UH School of Library & Information Studies     o|<0_0>--------*
A small mind is easily filled with faith.                 \=^-| |____| | 
Blessed is a mind too small for doubt.                        \_}B   \_}B
From: paul_tarantino@jhuapl.edu (Paul Tarantino)
Subject: Re: Galloway's Marathon Schedule
Followup-To: rec.running
Organization: JHU Applied Physics Laboratory
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 12:07:01 GMT

In article <43VO020T20ep01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, tad10@ccc.amdahl.com
(Terry Dickinson) wrote:
> 
> Has anyone followed Jeff Galloway's marathon training
> schedule and successfully run a marathon?  His plan
> appeals to me, but I've heard that no one uses it more
> than once.  I'm currently 10 weeks into his 30 week
> training plan and would like to know if it really
> does work well.  
> 
> His plan calls for long runs on alternate Sundays that
> increase in mileage up to marathon distance.  You run
> 26 miles three weeks before the marathon and taper down
> for the race.  I'm concerned about recovering in 
> time for the marathon, but it appeals to me to cover
> the distance in training before race day.
> 
> I also like his idea of cutting your long run mileage in 
> half on alternate weeks (your long runs for the last
> several weeks would be ...18,9,20,10,22,11,24,12,26,13 for
> example) to give your body plenty of rest, but I'm not
> sure it provides enough overall mileage for a successful
> marathon.
> 
> What'da think?

I was one of a group of about a half-dozen first-time marathoners who
followed Galloway's schedule successfully in training for a marathon in
California in May '84 (we actually used a plan from a late '83 article in
Runners' World, not his later book, which describes a very similar
program). The program worked well for me, and I finished pretty close to my
goal (3:50:22 vs 3:45), although there definitely was a wall out there (my
longest training run, three weeks before the race, was 21-22 miles).

Tried to follow a similar training plan for the Marine Corps Marathon in
1986, but job situation and other conflicts precluded being as faithful to
the plan as before. East coast humidity did me in (76 degrees, 90% RH :()
and I dnf'd. Since I'm still on the East coast and have no confidence in
the dependability of the weather, I'll stick to 10k-10 mile events
hereafter.
From: tachaimov@hou.amoco.com (Tom Chaimov)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Irregular heartbeat, running and caffeine
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:33:15 GMT
Reply-To: tachaimov@hou.amoco.com (Tom Chaimov)
Organization: Amoco Production Company

In article <1992Aug25.231448.14729@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> 
   rit@wagner.Physics.McGill.CA (Dave Britton) writes:

>>I regularly get irregularities in the beat, but only when it
>>is beating slow.

In <2245@bigfoot.first.gmd.de> <1992Aug25.231448.14729
@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> (David Franklin) writes:

>>I have a similar problem, though it is entirely due to
caffeine.

Hey, wow, I just tuned into this.  I guess I missed
Dave B.'s original posting, but I'm really pleased to
hear that I'm not the only one around with this
"problem".  My name, however, is Tom:  maybe
I have a different problem.

Seriously, I'll lie in bed at night or sit in a chair
reading and if I pay attention to my heart, it'll kind
of skip a beat or two and then WHAM it
kicks in with a real enthusiastic beat and we're
back to normal for about a minute or two when
it'll skip a beat, etc.  I'll make a concerted effort to knock
off the caffeine (how long until I expect results?),
but I'm not a big caffeine addict.  In fact I've
gone weeks w/o so much as a Coke, but have
never noticed any change in my heart's
irregularities.

Tom
From: mvm@caesun6.harris-atd.com (Matt Mahoney)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Soda Pop
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:18:36 GMT
Reply-To: mvm@epg.harris.com (Matt Mahoney)
Distribution: na
Organization: CAE Design Center, Harris Corp., Melbourne, Fl.

hweingra@oracle.UUCP (Howard Weingram) writes:
>lamontg@milton.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:

>>Of course the sweet taste will cause you to start producing insulin but
>>w/o raising your glucose level...

I don't believe that artificial sweeteners affect insulin production.

>Is this what causes me to really need to urinate soon after drinking
>a diet soda?

No, the caffiene is a diuretic.

--------------------------------        _\/_
Matt Mahoney, mvm@epg.harris.com       |(TV)|  Drug of the Nation
#include <disclaimer.h>                |____|
From: guest@ulysses.atmos.colostate.edu (Guest)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Hash House Harriers in Colorado
Keywords: running
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:01:46 GMT
Organization: Atmos. Science, Colorado State Univ.

Does anyone out there know of any hash house harrier groups in Colorado! I 
have tried posting to alt.hash.house.harriers, but to no avail. I have been a 
member of the Ramstein Hash House Harriers in Germany and wish to stay active.

Any replys are appreciated

John Knowles                           "Roads...We don't need roads where we
-- 
My plan is ever changing, ever flowing, ever evolving, ever turning, ever 
climbing, ever clear, never ending..............
From: berkery@emmax5crd.ge.com (jack berkery)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Running nerd wants computer log software
Date: 31 Aug 92 12:56:56 GMT
Reply-To: berkery@emmax5crd.ge.com (jack berkery)
Organization: GE Research Center


There is a Shareware program in the WUSTL archives available through anonymous
ftp. (also on other archive sites) Look into ../msdos/database/joggr105.zip
I didn't exactly like it but it may suit your style. It works with CGA/EGA/VGA
graphics. Don't know how it functions under windows.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jack Berkery, Computer Scientist, GE Research, Schenectady NY
  berkery@crd.ge.com  "The Common Sense Coach"
From: berkery@emmax5crd.ge.com (jack berkery)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Pikes Peak
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:54:04 GMT
Reply-To: berkery@emmax5crd.ge.com (jack berkery)
Organization: GE Research Center



A lesson in perseverence
------------------------

I've been reading a lot about the Pike's Peak race recently and then I get a
note in the mail from Liz Norris. Remember, she was the one I told y'all
about a few weeks ago who used to be an ultra runner from Colorado but then
had heart surgery just last September and now she was taking things more
slowly. I couldn't type in the whole letter but here are some excerpts.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Aug 24, 1992

"... I went to Pike's Peak last weekend. I have a best ascent time of 3:25
and a round trip time of 5:40. Because of my heart I didn't know if I could
do the race this year. Last year I did the ascent only in 5:45. Two days
later I had cardiac surgery..."

"... I belong to a group called the Peak Busters and they heard about my
surgery and gave me special honors at their annual meeting. I was surprised.
I get a lot of unsolicited attention just because I had heart surgery."

"... I worked the medical on ascent day this year... There was a man in his
30's that died from a cardiac arrythmia. He was the first fatality in the
race's 37 year history. It was sad but maybe he died doing something he
really wanted to do. How many people never try at all?"

"... The next day I started the round trip. The slowest ever. I barely made
the cutoffs. I fell and broke my arm with a few miles of the the race to go.
I got up and fininshed..."

"... It took me 6:00 hrs to get up there and 9 hrs and 10 mins to finish yet
they gave me a welcome like I was first place... I heard people yelling my
name as if I was a winner. It was an emotional moment I will remember forever."

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I don't know off-hand what the definiton of a winner is, but this is good
enough in my book. Makes me feel like a total wuss compared to Liz.

Jack Berkery, Computer Scientist, GE Research, Schenectady NY
  berkery@crd.ge.com  "The Common Sense Coach"
From: hawkes@hillrun.corp.sgi.com (John Hawkes)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: San Francisco Marathon
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:25:32 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics

In article <1992Aug27.183855.17841@unocal.com>, stgprao@st.unocal.COM
(Richard Ottolini) writes:
|> In article <17j46nINNn4n@agate.berkeley.edu>
|> paulw@ieor-next1.Berkeley.EDU (Paul Worhach) writes:
|> >Anyone out there with SF Marathon experience?
|> 
|> I ran a couple there.
|> Check if there are small hills near the end.
|> After one hits the wall, a ten foot hill can feel like a mountain.

The course is slightly different this year, again, but the course is
basically similar to the last couple of years.  The nasty part is the
climb up the Hayes Street Hill (the same route as the Bay To Breakers).
It's a little rolling in the last few miles (up into the Park), and there
are some straight sections near the Ocean which might give you headwinds.
-- 

John Hawkes		hawkes@sgi.com
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: reidyj@mist.CS.ORST.EDU (Jay Reidy)
Subject: Re: USMC Run in DC
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.
Distribution: va
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 18:28:28 GMT

  The Marine Corps Marathon will be run on the Sunday closest to 10 November.
  That's the 227th Birthday of the World's Finest!!!!

  For information, write to:
    Marine Corps Marathon
    Marine Corps Base Quantico
    Quantico, Virginia 
  
  They will send you everything you need to know.  It's a wonderful race, and
  EXTREMELY well organized.  AND, wonder of wonders, they start on time! So
  you can get warmed up and be ready to run at the appointed hour.
                                                           
  Semper Fi
  Jay Reidy
  reidyj@storm.cs.orst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: burhans@teal.csn.org (Jackie Burhans)
Subject: Re: Hash House Harriers in Colorado
Keywords: running
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 02:16:30 GMT

In article <Aug27.210146.37302@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> guest@ulysses.atmos.colostate.edu (Guest) writes:
>Does anyone out there know of any hash house harrier groups in Colorado! I 
>have tried posting to alt.hash.house.harriers, but to no avail. I have been a 
>member of the Ramstein Hash House Harriers in Germany and wish to stay active.
>
>Any replys are appreciated
>
>John Knowles                           "Roads...We don't need roads where we
>-- 
>My plan is ever changing, ever flowing, ever evolving, ever turning, ever 
>climbing, ever clear, never ending..............
>


There is no end to hashing in Colorado. This coming weekend
is the Colorado Invihashional in Winter Park, CO, call
the Denver hotline 303-279-5066 Choirboy or Boulder 303-443-3334 Baboobs

There is a Fort Collins hash too 303-484-2505, Malingering Gimp

And Pikes Peak H3 719-633-6185

Colorado Full moon 303-494-5825

and Sept 12 a Pueblo H3 doing its first run, call Pikes Peak

onon

Mustang Sally

-- 
Jackie Burhans
Technical Trainer
From: os2user@dougp.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Need Tidbits of Advice
Date: 25 Aug 92 15:24:33 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

I have just started running again after a two month layoff. I've got some
questions, not about starting training, but about little pieces that might
add to it.

1. Are there any tricks to keep myself stretching?  I personally don't like
   it.  I normally start off fairly well, but tend to lose interest because it
   doesn't seem to be doing anything.

2.  Does anyone out there have any tricks to getting up early?  I've been
    trying for years, but have almost resigned myself to just running at night.

I've been running for eight or nine years, so I know most of the normal tricks.
If you've got any ideas or suggestions that are off the beaten path, I'd
really appreciate it.

Thanks,

Doug Poirier
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: hweingra@.com (Howard Weingram)
Subject: Re: Soda Pop
Reply-To: hweingra@oracle.UUCP (Howard Weingram)
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:47:04 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Aug27.171836.24589@mlb.semi.harris.com> mvm@epg.harris.com (Matt Mahoney) writes:
>hweingra@oracle.UUCP (Howard Weingram) writes:
>>lamontg@milton.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:
>
>>>Of course the sweet taste will cause you to start producing insulin but
>>>w/o raising your glucose level...
>
>I don't believe that artificial sweeteners affect insulin production.
>
>>Is this what causes me to really need to urinate soon after drinking
>>a diet soda?
>
>No, the caffiene is a diuretic.
>
That doesn't explain why it happens with Caffeine-free Diet Coke and Diet Sprite.

			hal

Organization: Studio for Creative Inquiry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.running
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 15:54:08 -0400 
From: Jennifer Brodt <jb8o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Pittsburgh area races??


As you all might have heard by now, we have not had
a local paper in Pittsburgh, PA for quite a while.
So I'd like to hear from those in the know about any
local races (10k or 5k or anything in between) coming 
up this fall.  Of course I already received my Great 
Race application, but I'd love to do a few smaller 
races as well.  Any information you have on where I 
can get an application would be appreciated.

Thanks!!

jennifer

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 <<<<<<<<  >>>>>        Jennifer Brodt
     <<<<  >>>>>>>        Office Coordinator
     <<<<  >>>>>>>        STUDIO for Creative Inquiry
     <<<<  >>>>>          College of Fine Arts
     <<<<  >>>>>>>      Carnegie Mellon University
  << <<<<  >>>>>>>        Pittsburgh, PA  15213
   <<<<<<  >>>>>        Internet:  jb8o+@andrew.cmu.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: rxr@gtech.com (Ravi Raja)
Subject: Any 10+ mile races in NJ on labor day weekend
Keywords:  10+ mile , NJ, labor day weekend
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich, RI
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:49:29 GMT

I am visiting NJ on the labor day weekend and I would like
to race in 10-15 mile race. If anyone knows a list of 
long distance races in NJ, please mail them to me or
mail it on the network. I would highly appreciate this.
Thanks

Ravi
From: reidyj@CS.ORST.EDU (Jay Reidy)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Speed Improvement Training
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:20:11 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Oregon State University


  I was running between 6 and 10 miles a day when I started doing speed work.
  I started doing it once per week on a track.  My routine was sort of:
  1.5 mile warm up to the track
  build up and build down beginning with 1/4 mile up to a mile at 100 percent
  1.5 mile cood down from the track.

  Total workout was about 5 miles.  It really helped.d

  After about a month of that, I ttook my speed workouts on the road.  I'd
  jog out ot the trail then alternate fast and slow moving between 60 and 85
  percent with an occasional blast as fast as I could go for several minutes.
From: smay@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Scott Smay)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:37:50 GMT
Subject: Re: The Bible of running ...?
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: rec.running

Are you sure it wasn't "the Lore of Running" by Tim Noakes (Ithink). It
seems like the closest thing to the bible of running to me.

scott
From: dutfield@sumax.seattleu.edu (Stewart Dutfield)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Running on cold, rainy days
Date: 23 Aug 92 19:37:55 GMT
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA

In article <22926@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> dguerrer@lyra.cel.scg.hac.com (Daniel Guerrero) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.152308.2090@vu-vlsi.vill.edu> kmv@vu-vlsi.vill.edu (Kunal M. Varty) writes:
>>
>>What precautions are recommended before running on cold, rainy,
>>or cold + rainy days? 
>(something to the effect that shorts are OK if the head, upper body and hands
> are wrapped up)

There is no universal guideline except to do what seems sensible and feels
comfortable in the light of csometimes bitter experience. I find it much more
important to wrap the legs--in lycra, Ron Hill Tracksters (try Sport Hill as an
expensive substitute) or even sweats--as I think I am more likely to get
injured if my legs get cold. Also, running in gloves slows me down, for some
very obscure reason.

If it's very cold, then safety is even more important than comfort. Insulation
and protection against the wind (head, gonads, and the extremities of the limbs
are especially important) are given by a breatheable windshell (goretex is 
expensive but offers rain and snow protection too) with polypropylene--Helly
Hansen Lifa for quality and durability--underneath. None of this newfangled kit
is biodegradeable, but then even newspapers last for centuries in a landfill :-)

Stewart Dutfield    dutfield@seattleu.edu
From: naapw@comlab.ox.ac.uk (Andrew Weir)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: New York running scene
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:44:47 GMT
Organization: Oxford University Computing Laboratory, UK
Originator: naapw@merlin.comlab

I will be working in New York for a couple of months from October.
Could anyone tell me if there is a cross country scene over there
and possibly give me any contacts for running clubs and stuff..


	cheers in advance
			Andy Weir
From: nevai@ops.mps.ohio-state.edu (Paul Nevai)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Nike Air Haurache < $100 ???
Date: 31 Aug 1992 18:37:56 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: ops.mps.ohio-state.edu

>I was recently at one of the Nike factory outlet stores (the 
>Silverthorn, Colorado one) and they had the Huarache for ~$76.00, I 
>think (the Air 180's were $90.00).

I'm a great factory outlet expert so believe me when I say: most (but not
necessary all) merchandise sold at factory outlets are either defective (to a
lesser or greater degree) or older models. So let the buyer carefully caveat!
Take care...Paul