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From: swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu ( EVENSONG)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,rec.music.synth,misc.forsale,misc.forsale.computers
Subject: Atari ST Midi software
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:16:02 GMT
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.

I have the following for sale:

   Passport Master Trax Pro (v 3.6) for Atari ST
   MidiMouse ULTRAMidi workstation


make me an offer....

swood
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From: mforget@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Michel Forget)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: Making the screen one line shorter (at the bottom) -- How?
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 10:13:32 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems, Edmonton, AB, Canada

rlcollins@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins) writes:

>      I know I'll probably get jumped on for saying this, but why not
> just use GEM and put it in a window? (a.k.a. STalker & Rufus) It would
> be slower, but who doesn't use some sort of screen accelerator nowadays?
> 
> Later.......
> 
> ------======={{{{{{{{((((((Ryan 'Gozar' Collins))))))))}}}}}}}}=======-------
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> you don't intend to keep."		      rcollins@apsvax.aps.muohio.edu
>   -Cogsworth	 			      R.COLLINS1 on GEnie
> (Beauty and the Beast)
> 	------======={{{{{{{{(((((())))))))}}}}}}}}=======--------


There is a GOOD reason not to use a GEM Window.  The first reason, which 
you mentioned, is that the speed is VERY slow.  Even with accellerators, 
the output can't keep up with more than 2400 baud in Stalker.  Without an 
accellerator it would be hideously slow.  Also, a GEM window takes up 
space.  Instead of 25 lines (24 with a status bar) you would have 23 
lines and be forced to put the status bar at the top of the screen.  
There is also the added joy of having to handle more complex redraws.

No, a window is not the way to go for me.  The mailer and newsgroup 
machine was not working regularly, so I think I missed a lot of this 
thread.  I did find out one way to shorten the screen.  Subtract 1 from 
the value contained at $2AB2 and you have a shorter screen.  Add 1 when 
you want to update the status bar.  It was as simple as that.  At least 
for monochrome.  I'll have to try it with color as well, since I am not 
sure if the address applies to all ST machines.


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<<     ersys!mforget@nro.cs.athabascau.ca       >>
<<               Michel Forget                  >>
<<  "This offer is valid on absolutely ANY day  >>
<<           of the year, except...."           >>
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From: chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: mega ste price
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:54:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucsu.1992Apr16.035427.1975
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Apr15.152914.9456@newshost.lanl.gov> hutch@bellman.lanl.gov writes:
>In article 8558@actrix.gen.nz, Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz () writes:
>
>>Have you ever been to New Zealand, no I don't think so, so you comments
>>are a load of rubish, you are nothing but a Atari bigot, get with it..
>
>Yes, I _have_ been to New Zealand... several times as a matter of fact.
>And it's a fabulously beautiful country with _mostly_ wonderful, intelligent,
>friendly people... of course, there are always exceptions, right, Roger?
>
>And make up your mind, Roger, first you call me a nerd and now I'm an
>Atari bigot?  I think "nerd" is probably more accurate since I own 4
>computers (Atari, Apple and yes, a 386 clone).
>

I don't think NERD is definied by how many computers you have.  I alone
have 7 computers(2 ATARI, ST, 486-33, 386SX20 Notebook,286, MAC 030).
It's true that alot of my old high school buddies call me a computer geek,
but look at what most computer science majors would have in their homes.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
From: rickhall@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (Richard Scott Hall)
Subject: Lattice C Support
Keywords: Lattice C
Organization: Universtiy of Coloardo, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:12:30 GMT

Does anyone know if Goldleaf still is supporting Lattice C?

Thanks...

-- 
            Richard Hall - University of Colorado at Boulder

                "Life's like holding water in your hands,
                 No grip is tight enough to keep it in." - me
From: as666@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jonathan Roy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: RE GALAXY CAD
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:59:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr16.165946.8839
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


 - Hi EveryOne
 - 
 - I tried running Galaxy Cad on my TT machine ( 2 Meg ST Ram
 - and 4 Meg TT Ram ).
 - I got a Boot strap loaded message followed closely by 2 Bombs,
 - (Bus Error !!). Has anybody been able to get this program to
 - work on the TT. Is anybody out there able to do a port of the
 - ST spacific bits to the TT machine, and sort out the 'BUGGY' 
 - user interface at the same time ????
 
The source code for the Atari ST G-SWIM is pub/galaxy/AtariSrc.
Anyone interested in doing some work to clean up is free to... (I asked
the author...)
 
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Organisation: Westfaelische Wilhelms-Universitaet, Muenster, Germany
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 10:10:40 MES
From: Bjarne Pohlers <ZX0013@DMSWWU1A.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Reply-To: Bjarne Pohlers <srb110@math.uni-muenster.de>
Subject:    MicroEMACS 3.11a-beta3available


Sorry for posting this again, but it seems that this did not get out of
Muenster...
-                                                                             -
Now there is a beta-test version (patchlevel 3) of MicroEMACS 3.11a
available at ftp.uni-muenster.de (128.176.120.210).  There are three
versions:
o me.prg : A dirty programmed version with linea-calls (I
  would not guarantee that it will run on future versions of TOS)... But
  that does not matter, because there are two other versions:
o gemme.prg: A fine gem-based version. Each MicroEMACS-screen is
  displayed in a seperate GEM-window.
o tcme.ttp: A termcap-based version. It works under mw and should also
  work under mgr.

Please report any problems and bugs to <srb110@math.uni-muenster.de>.
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: -dbx- Debugger for Atari
Date: 11 Apr 92 17:54:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr11.175458.18552
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville

Is there a dbx-ish debugger for C source code for the Atari on the
net anywhere?

gdbx doesn't work -- 1Meg isn't enough for it (and the buggy program).
In fact, all the GNU stuff doesn't work in 1 Meg except gawk... 

sozobozo's adb clone is nice, but I don't really have much use for a machine
language debugger. I want something that will let me step through the
code a line at a time & see why it's crashing :)!

Thanks!

Scott
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: mark.thomas@rose.com (mark thomas)
Subject: (None)
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:53:39 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.2)


Date Entered: 04-14-92 00:33
I am looking for advanced mathematics programs for the ST. I believe the
someone made a reference to a program called "Maple". Could someone
please fill me in as to what this and other programs are capable of
doing? A symbolic manipulator or statistical package would be nice. :-)
As I am taking university sciences, I am not interested in the
highschool level progams I see in my local computer store.

Thanks, Mark
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From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: Founder of Atari?
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:59:15 GMT

In article sd0viINN7l3@agate.berkeley.edu, cgeorges@cory.Berkeley.EDU (chris georges) writes:
>
>Could someone tell me who the founder of Atari was?
>I think it was Nolan Bushnell, but my friend thinks Chris
>Crawford had something to do with it, which seems totally wrong to
>me.  
>

And the winner is... NOLAN BUSHNELL!

Chris Crawford is a talented programmer who cut his teeth on the Atari 8-bits (he programmed the very popular "War on the Eastern Front-1941" <or some title like that>) but he had nothing to do with founding Atari.

-Hutch-
From: be824@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Selick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: High density 3.5" floppy drives on ste's
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:19:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr15.151955.29969
Reply-To: be824@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Selick)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


What is the final word on high density 3.5" floppies on an atari 1040ste?
Will it work? Will it work with Spectre GCR? Will it work with PC-Ditto
(1 and/or 2)? Will TOS 1.6 recognize it and use it correctly, or is there
an autoboot utility for it? How much does the mod cost? What units a
currently working correctly for other users? Bottom line...is it worth it?
From: steve@thelake.mn.org (Steve Yelvington)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:58:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: thelake.A1599019144

[In article <6618@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>,
     willing@pantheon.icsl.ucla.edu (Scott Willingham) writes ... ]

 > Eight bits per color is certainly as good or better than typical video
 > systems.  Production quality video cameras (including HDTV types) typically
 > have a dynamic range of 40 to 50 dB in each color channel.  High-quality
 > CRT and projection displays are little better.  Eight bit channels have
 > a signal-to-noise ratio of 49 to 50 dB.  Only very specialized systems
 > would need more than eight bits per color channel.

``Very specialized'' includes anything having to do with color printing
and publishing. Video quality just won't hack it in that market. 24-bit
color is the standard for electronic darkrooms and artwork. We grab frames
off television when there's nothing better available, but it's obvious
where the image came from even when printed at 85-line resolution on cheap
newsprint at high speeds.

 ---
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 steve@thelake.mn.org          umn-cs!thelake!steve 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: cs902117@ariel.yorku.ca (TONY D'ALFONSO)
Subject: Re: mega ste price
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 04:23:56 GMT

I agree totally!  Bashing a machine, or just simply stating "my machine is 
better than yours" is totally childish, yet most clone users feel that way.

I own a TI 99/4A as well as my ST, and I am happy with both machines.  Whenever
I mention TI, people say stupid things like "my PC is better than that trash",
and I can't stand it, especially when that same clone user has never seen what
the machine can really do.  I have been seeing the same attitude being applied
to other machines, such as the ST as well.  I saw beyond Atari's reputation as
being the producer of game machines, and saw some useful utilities for it.  
Yes, software support for the 99/4A or the ST is not as large as that of the
IBM world, but we, the users, know it is there and are happy with what we have.

If you want to bash some PC's then you can always state the fact that the 
clones are simply upgraded outdated technology.  First came the 8086, 8088, all
the way up to the 486.  Looking at the machines, how much change is there?
Yes, there is a change in speed, and architectural changes to update the out-
dated technology, but other than that, there is no new original thought being
implemented.  The computer business has become a fast food service where every
once in a while, they put an extra ingredient to your hamburger.  The clones 
with their big expensive graphics cards, can't even do what a simple TI takes
for granted:  sprites.  Which brings me to another point about these machines:
Use it for your own purposes.  If you are going to deal with business, fine,
get yourself a clone as most businesses use them.  If it is for recreational
uses, or educational, is a clone really the machine for you?  If you were to
put someone infront of a clone for the first time and told them to use it, they
would look at you strangely and ask for the manual.  Machines like the TI and
ST are user friendly, which makes it easier to use.  With the TI, you have 
menus where you pick the corresponding number.  With the ST, it's as simple as
move the mouse and click.  Software support for the machine is not always the 
main reason to buy a machine.  So as limited as our software libraries are, we
are happy with our machines and that is what is important.
 
  ____
   / o n y.
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: Problems with a HD drive in a Mega STe
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:50:43 GMT

That's interesting.  I thought the only problem with installing a HD in a
MegaSTe0 was that you had to mill away the plastic reinforcement in the 
case where the HD usually goes.  But I thought the HD controller and 
cables were in there already.

Some great buys on MegaSTe machines right now folks (a lot cheaper than what
I paid as a "good guy Atari developer" last year).  If your old ST is worn
out or if you are looking for a new unit, you could do a lot worse for the 
money.  As a minimum, everyone should jump for CodeHead's TEC board (or a 
similar unit from someone else) because TOS 2.06 is an even bigger 
improvement than 1.4 was over 1.0.  You might want to opt for the switchable
TOS option though, as with any new TOS variant, some old favorites (mostly
games) don't like 2.05 or 2.06.


___________________________ John "HUTCH" Hutchinson _________________________
___________ Chief Cook & Bottle Washer - Fair Dinkum Technologies ___________
________________ "No worries, mate... it's from Fair Dinkum!" _______________
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: GFA dropping support for ST?  NOT!
Keywords: GFA
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:25:32 GMT

There has been a few rumors flying around that GFA was dropping support for the Atari.  I just spoke with John Barger of GFA Software Technologies in Salem, Mass, and he assures me that nothing could be further from the truth.  They are, in fact, about to release GFA BASIC version 3.7 for Beta testing so that should be available RSN ("real soon now").

GFA Data Media (the UK office) has worked a deal with ST FORMAT magazine to supposedly release a version of GFA BASIC on the ST FORMAT cover disk next month or the month after.  I believe this may be a slightly cut down version, perhaps with the SAVE feature disabled and of course, no compiler or documentation.  It is simply a ploy to try to increase GFA sales such as they did with GFA RAYTRACE a year or so ago (which did have the effect of greatly increasing Raytrace sales).

Just thought you GFA users might like to know the _real_ story.

-Hutch-



Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: seimet@rhrk.uni-kl.de (Uwe Seimet [Chemie])
Subject: Re: Overview of MultiTOS Reprint
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 10:47:35 GMT

EENG6801@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca (Carlos Varela) writes:

>Well I have to say 2 things about MultiTOS:

	stuff deleted

> I think it's a good idea to release it on disk since I'm happy with
>  my TOS 1.0 that runs all software. I don't want to get a new TOS
>  that doesn't run half the software on the market.
Did you ever think about the software being the problem and not TOS? I
made the experience that clean software runs on MultiTOS and that it is not
too difficult to adapt programs to it. This only applies of course if these
programs are more or less clean regarding the current standards.

***************************************
*        Uwe Seimet                   *
*        seimet@rhrk.uni-kl.de        *
*        seimet@chemie.uni-kl.de      *
*-------------------------------------*
* I really hate this damned machine,  *
*     I wish that they would sell it. *
* It never does that what I mean      *
*     but only what I tell it.        *
***************************************
From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: GEMULATOR (WAS RE: SUDDEN VIEW VS.
Date: 12 Apr 92 23:43:28 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au

monsoon@cats.ucsc.edu (Len A. DeJesus) writes:

>	Well, all of this arguing is fine and dandy, but I wonder if anyone
>thought about the notion that perhaps more developers will come out to make
>stuff for this gemulator on the pc (if it gets popular enough) which might
>in turn create more ST software...

Okay, I've ignored this up until now, but do you REALLY THINK that
anyone would develop for an EMULATOR?  WHY?  Would you develop for the
atari 8-bit emulator thing?  You might very well develop for Aladin, or
something, where the base machine is cheaper than the machine you're
emulating.  The GEMulator is just for people who want to move away from
Atari ST's and into the world of MessDOS.  I would say that the
majority of these people will be end-users, since programming a PC is
just the biggest DOG you've ever heard of (you spend the whole time
worrying sbout 64K limits and other irrelevant shit).  But if you want
to USE a PC, and still USE some of your ST software (for a while, until
you pirate all the commercial PC equivalents [you have to pirate them,
because even word processors cost ~$300]), then the GEMulator is for
you.  I'm a programmer, so I'm not interested.


Warwick
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Overscan Mod
From: cosc226@otago.ac.nz (Neil Gardner - Otago, NZ)
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:48:11 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

Regarding your question about the overscan mod...

I have a Mega 2 (pretty old) with a customised version of TOS 1.4 (UK) in it
and I decided to have a go at the overscan mod because for my machine it
consisted of nothing more than a couple of trace cuts and a couple of wires
being soldered in... It took about 40 minutes (as that was the first time
I'd ever cut any traces) and required only a fine tipped soldering iron
and a sharp craft knife.

The result was a machine with an unobtrusive rocker switch on the back that
can do 840*288 in 'medium' rez and 688*512(?) in 'hi' rez. (Low rez is
improved too - 420*288 I think)

It's compatible with amost all GEM software like Neodesk, Calamus, 1st Word
Plus, Gemini, GIFview etc etc. It's also thoroughly transparent, that is,
when it's turned off, it's _GONE_ No compatibility problems at all.

However, there is a newer version of overscan about, that can switch from
overscan to normal in software, I have to do that in hardware and reboot.

The autoswitch overscan (as it's called) is a little more complex to install
but is more convenient.

All I can say, is if you have a free afternoon and the bits, it's a
worthwhile hack...

Cheers, Neil Gardner
"I know what you're thinking, let's do it!" :-)
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From: pbh@jake.cc.wayne.edu (Patrick Haggood)
Subject: Re: ACE'92 show: Report
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:26:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.200515.15958@cis.ohio-state.edu> tbrown@mussel.cis.ohio-state.edu (Ted Brown) writes:
>
>It was $2500!  Please tell me this is a misprint!

I can't remember exactly, but I believe it's closer to $2,000.
Admittedly, it's hard to look at this price and remember 'power without
the price', but it's not so bad when you realize that it comes with the
hard drive and all the development tools.  Interactive Unix for the
Intel platform is about $1,700, and NeXTStep for the Intel platform is
expected to be about $2,400.  Since SunSoft is offering a $200 upgrade
from Interactive, their cost is expected to be close to the $2K mark
also.

Of course, there's a bit of salt on the wound when you realize that NONE
of the Unixes (Unii?) mentioned above cost *more* than the
platform they run on, except Atari's.... (yes, even the Intels, as the
price of an loaded EISA box can approach $5K, while ISA boxes are not
generally considered proper Intel-Unix boxes..)	


>Did they say weather they had the ability to run ST/TT programs in a window
>while running UNIX?
>Ted Brown

No, but rumor is that this capability is being worked on; however to
keep it from becoming a vapourware frenzy, the authors are making no
preannoucements.  This should definitely be applauded.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: TOS 2.06 for the MegaSTe
From: Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 09:10:13 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <1992Apr14.032618.8894@demon.co.uk> Iain Laskey <ilaskey@cix.compulink.co.uk> writes:
> I recently bought an STe (Jan 92). It had an Ajax chip already in place
> instead of the Western Digital job. Atari UK said that the factory would
> put in whatever was cheapest at the time. Unfortunately it didn't come
> with a 1.44/2.88 meg drive to go with it :-(
> 
>    /********************************************************************
>    ** Iain R Laskey  ** I don't want to start any blasphemous rumours **
>    ******************** But I think that God's                        **
>    **   Unix >= DOS  ** Got a sick sense of humour - M L Gore         **
>    *********************************************************************
>    ** ilaskey@cix.compulink.co.uk **    Atari user & proud of it      **
>    ********************************************************************/

This will not work as there is no hardware inside the STE to support this
Ajax chip, so fitting a 1.4 meg floppy drive is still out of the question,
you will nead to get one of those hardware hacks that change the clock
rate to this chip..
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