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From: ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: KHARE
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:44:47 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <92311.223338U56503@uicvm.uic.edu> U56503@uicvm.uic.edu writes:

>I think Ollie is volunteering to start up the a.s.h.flame group all
>on his own.  He's too easy of a volunteer though.  We know he is having
>a bad day when he sinks into juvenile anal terminology.  Sigh.
>And there was even an Oedipal term too!  I'm impressed.  Ollie, what
>happened bad to you in the fourth grade that you like to go back to
>that stage of coping so often when you can't control others?

Actually I'd find the subdivision of a.s.h. objectionable.
Energy/Creativity is in diversity...in this case diversity of opinion.
This of course directly contradicts the image you have formed (and
apparently set in stone within your mind) of me. That's your problem.

*Laughter*

Freud Brady?? How quaint. 

>Why do you think it is that some people on this group just *have* to
>try and control the ideas and opinions of others?  I think people should
>be free to post what they want.  No one had to agree with them.  If they
>don't agree, anal terminology is not the only response is it?

Hmmm...not really sure. You seem to be one of them though. Actually the
anal terminology is easy to explain...I refer you to Robert Anton
Wilsons 'Schrodingers Cat' trilogy. Heheheheheheh!

>Do you think some people's opinions are so fragile that they simply
>cannot tolerate an opposing view.  Do some people feel they must
>flame every person who does not feel as they do?  Do some people feel
>they *own* a.s.h?  Do they feel their ideas are more equal than others?

Sigh. Ok...I don't have any objection to any opinion. I have no
objection to people posting that suicide is wrong/a bad choice/a lot of
fun. What I have an objection to is way some people feel these opinions
have to be put. This seems to be what you can't understand Brady...I
have no problem with your opinions. I have a problem with the way you
choose to express those opinions. 

Now you'll note that (excepting a minor indulgence wrt to Freud) this
has been couched in a reasonable tone. We had a similar argument ~1
month ago (i.e. a shouting match) I told you then I wasn't interested
and that we could take it to email if you *really* wanted to discuss the
issue. You didn't take me up. I drew my conclusions. I extend the same
offer now.

Your choice.

Ollie/Luicfuge...

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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: a.s.?holiday?
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 03:12:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.202156.789@panix.com> rpowers@panix.com (Richard Powers)
writes:
>Why is it alt.sucide._holiday_?  Besides making it "ash"- a nice tla.

Suicide is a holiday from life--a permanent holiday.

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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: rpowers@panix.com (Richard Powers)
Subject: What ash is about.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 07:04:33 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Nov10.010612.14003@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au>
wkinman@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au (Warren Michael Kinman) writes: 

>  In case you're wondering, yes we are a Christian-based group, but
>I wouldn't like to get involved in any theological or ?religious? debates here,
>I can go to my christian.society ng for that.  

Thank you.  I respect people who don't feel they have to bash their
beliefs into other peoples heads.

>I don't condemn or condone this group.  I find it informative in regards to 
>feelings (Physco Kitten is very expressive), and attitudes.

I agree.  I wish I were as eloquent in expressing my feelings as is Ms.
Psycho Kitten.

>I will keep lurking and may occassionally post, but I think that this group is 
>a good idea.  Maybe if more people can talk, find friendship, then they won't
>feel unwanted or useless.

Not everyone here feels unwanted or useless.  What I feel is
closer to hopeless.  :-]  


This group, for me, is a place to vent.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!

See...  That feels much better.  Or should I try...   *THUNK*

Ouch!  Gee PK, I don't know how you do it!



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From: sherig@jett.EBay.Sun.COM (Sheri Gillette)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: What the hell kind of a name is Sheri, anyway?
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:49:48 GMT
Reply-To: sherig@jett.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: jett.ebay.sun.com



>>> Couldn't your parents 
pronounce Cherry?


no, not when they were DRUNK...

on Sherry!

HUH?

O8*P

and what kind of name is Dave Budd???

Couldn't the UPS man and your mom pronounce BUTT?

hee!

-code 8!

love and kisses...
From: jjozwiak@shearson.com (Jenny Jozwiak)
Subject: David Conibear?
Reply-To: jjozwiak@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:55:49 GMT


What? I have not read ash for some time now....can someone send me a copy of David
Conibears note...was that the one where he simply stated how he was going to do it?

Let me know.  thanks.  

PS. any other detail would be appreciated. 



Jenny
From: G.I.West@bradford.ac.uk (Graham West)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: today
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:58:56 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 91670332@ccw306
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Pheonix 14 (euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: Remember, boys and girls...today is the first day of the rest of your life!
: ....However long that may be....bwahahahahahhaha!    }8-\

Please don't remind me it might be LOOONG - I do my best to forget that fact.

I've spent long enough in this shitty world - another 50 years is too
horrible to think about.

: (gads. who slipped the drugs into my caffeine?!? :-|  )
: 
: e
: --
: Emily Dickenson, euclid@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (preferred)
: standard disclaimers apply
: The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a 
: Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven --John Milton "Paradise Lost"
-- 
Graham West, University Of Bradford, UK   ....   g.i.west@bradford.ac.uk
"Red, crimson red, am I the invisible boy?" W.A.S.P. - The Crimson Idol
From: euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Pheonix 14)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: a.s.?holiday?
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:25:19 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

vance@lpl.arizona.edu (Vance Haemmerle ) writes:


>Why not holiday?  We all celibrate the day we enter this world, why not
>when we leave it?  

       Weeeelll, Mark Twain had something to say on that.  (All due apologies
if the quote isn't verbatim)
 
       "Why do people laugh and celebrate at birthings and cry and mourn at
someone's death?  Because they are not the person involved...."

It's gonna be a great day today; the fog is so beautiful...

euclid
--
Phoenix 14, euclid@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (preferred)
standard disclaimers apply
It will be generally found that those who sneer habitually at human nature
and affect to despise it, are among its worst and least pleasant examples
                                     ----Charles Dickens
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: dsteinbe@nmsu.edu (David Steinberg)
Subject: A change of scenery
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: alt.suicide.holiday
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:41:43 GMT

I went to camp out for Grateful Dead tickets on Friday with my
ex-student who I talk about here occasionally.  First I got front row
tickets for both nights and I am in a very good mood.  (That is if you
guys know the meaning of those last three words :@) ).  However it
lead me to dwell some of the idea of grad school.
Even for someone who takes his work as lightly as I do (e.g. very), I
find much of my time is spent talking/thinking about math.  Now that
isn't a big deal, but I find as a result that I have lost most of my
interpersonal skills.  It's hard for me to have a conversation of the
"Nice weather we're having" variety.  I think that- as a result-
people think that I hate them.  Of course, I've also been known to
(when I'm in a manic mood) to tell everyone-like janitors- about this
most amazing proof I have discovered for problem 6.12 (Unfortunately,
it is too big to fit in this post), which leads them to think that I'm
weird.

My point is that is what nice to be in an enviroment where I had
something safe to talk about (10/12/84 that's a good tape, let's put
it on), that had nothing to do with math.  Maybe I should get out more
often...
(BTW if you're ever driving on I-10 in Arizona, be sure to stop at The
Thing? ; it's well worth the $.75... if you have my sense of humor)
-David "ZZYZX" Steinberg- King of the ellipses
       (dsteinbe@emmy.nmsu.edu)
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From: sherig@jett.EBay.Sun.COM (Sheri Gillette)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: His turn to rant...
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:05:35 GMT
Reply-To: sherig@jett.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: jett.ebay.sun.com


>>>The female human seems to be attracted only to the
>		type of man who is "dangerous".  This usually translates
>		into complete jerks who have no respect for women.  Nice
>		guys definitely finish last in this arena.  


uh-yeah...

that's what *I* always look for in a guy!

NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>> Nice
guys definitely finish last in this arena. 

Maybe you should know just what kind of ARENA you are jumping into
before you decide to play?

er?
From: sloey@kodak.com (Jim Sloey)
Subject: Re: call for creation of alt.suicide.holiday.flame
Organization: dis organization
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 15:52:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.044759.21629@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> tjones@orville.psu.edu
(Brain Drain) writes:
>considering some of the recent traffic, and YES, i know im guilty too,
Aren't we all at times? As for the subject, depends, who's the target?
If the flames are self-inflicted anger, that seems to belong here (or ASB :-)
If the flames are for the world in general, ditto (not the cartoon character)
If the flames are for work, school, parents, spouses, children, and how they
effect our lives, same as above.
If the flames are for each other? Then maybe they belong in their own group.
Some might ask -Why, can't you take the heat?-
Thanks, but I get enough or I wouldn't be here. 
I'd be one of the shiny people.

Jim
reply path for flames /dev/null
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: His turn to rant...
From: emiddlec@mora.gac.edu (Eric Middlecamp)
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:14:00 -0600

In article <1doq8mINNmfh@male.EBay.Sun.COM>  writes:
>
>>>>>Maybe you should know just what kind of ARENA you are jumping into
>>before you decide to play?
>>
>>er?
>
>Hmm.. A "Nice singles only" bar??
>**********************************

What I meant WAS.. A "NICE" singles (only) bar.

>oh! is THAT where we go to meet *nice* people???
>
>yeah, [NICE] singles bars...that's the ticket!
>
>i yi yi!!!
>
>i don't theeeeeeeeeeeeeeenk so!
>
>"would you like to sit in the boinking, or non-boinking section?"
>
>O8*P

Exactly. So then you have:
	Mean singles bar, boinking
	Mean singles bar, non-boinking (just there to insult each other, I guess.)
	Nice singles bar, boinking     (it could happen! shee-yaa..)
	Nice singels bar, non-boinking

And then.. if you add smoking..
	Mean singles bar, boinking     ,smoking
	Mean singles bar, non-boinking ,smoking
	Nice singles bar, boinking     ,smoking
	Nice singels bar, non-boinking ,smoking
	Mean singles bar, boinking     ,non-smoking
	Mean singles bar, non-boinking ,non-smoking
	Nice singles bar, boinking     ,non-smoking
	Nice singels bar, non-boinking ,non-smoking

As if you wanted to know! (By the way, that could be done in binary...)
From: megazone@pitt.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Call me when...
Date: 5 Nov 1992 06:14:31 GMT
Organization: WPI USAF -- United Society of Animation Fans
NNTP-Posting-Host: pitt.wpi.edu

In article <1992Nov5.024039.18039@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> tjones@orville.psu.edu (Brain Drain) writes:
>file?  or did you mean the one that the shiny happy people like to post?

Exactly... :-)

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#Email megazone@wpi.wpi.edu  Moderator, WPI anime FTP site 130.215.24.1 /anime#
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From: ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: KHARE
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:26:34 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <92308.150547U56503@uicvm.uic.edu> U56503@uicvm.uic.edu writes:

>If I were you, I'd leave a.s.h. in the ashes and go on with your life.
>Those still here might try to pull you back into their
>cynical world.  Hope you stay in your new one.

Brady,

Follow your own advice huh? I'm sorry man but you are one arrogant,
ignorant mofo. Please, please get your head out of your ass and stop:

a. Trying to shrink people online.
b. Being so irritatingly superior.
c. Being such a dry fuck.

Yes I've tried talking politely to him. Though not recently.

Lucifuge...

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From: vance@lpl.arizona.edu (Vance Haemmerle )
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: *thunk*thunk*thunk*
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:38:51 GMT
Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.

In article <1992Nov5.205223.22884@udel.edu> awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson) writes:
>
>	**THUNK****THUNK****THUNK****THUNK****THUNK****THUNK****THUNK**
>
>	SOMEONE HIT ME OVER THE HEAD WITH A 2x4 PLEASE!!!!
>
   *BONK*

   Feel better now? :)

   Now it's my turn.
   Hit me!

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LUTAN!        "Sex, Drugs and Rock-n-Roll!" - Woodstock 1969     LUTAN!
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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown)
Subject: Re: My turn to rant.
Organization: Oak Road Systems, Cleveland Ohio USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:30:49 GMT
Keywords: life sucks

In article <1992Nov7.093155.21596@panix.com> rpowers@panix.com (Richard Powers) writes:
>So.  Why do I continue through [... lots of reasons not to]
>Why aren't I getting out the razor
>blades?  I don't know.  Maybe because I don't entirely believe some of the
>things in the top of the message?  Maybe.  I really don't know.

I've asked myself that question too.  And the best answer I can come up
with is "inertia".

In Forster's novel {Maurice} there were several little phrases that
affected me strongly.  One of them was about the title character's
"proving on how little the human soul can survive" even though "He
hadn't a god.  He hadn't a friend."  (I'm quoting from memory, but I
believe the quotes are accurate.)
-- 
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems                      brown@Ncoast.ORG
Cleveland, Ohio, USA
"Only the futility of the first flood prevents God from unleashing another."
            --Chamfort, as quoted in Claude Arnaud's {Chamfort: A Biography}
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Subject: Re: KHARE
Organization: The Eternal Order of Chaos 
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:06:32 GMT

	
	Brady, I find it amazing how you can say you're not interested
in controlling people (afa ASH is concerned) yet you consistently try
to control how people think they feel (which is one of the worse forms
of control IMB).

	Personally, I don't see that many 'controllers' slinking about
in ASH.  For the most part, they get ignored or flamed constantly (like you).
You seem to be the worst culprit right now... and we flame not because
we're trying to censor you thoughts or 'control' you, we just find your
articles irritating in some way and we express our distaste for them.

	You say you're not trying to control people, yet you constantly
try to tell everyone why (you think) they are feeling the way they do.  No
one asked you to analyse the minds of any ASHers (esp. since you have 
such limited contact with any of them).  Your attempts to coax/shame
people into doing what you want them to do [post articles that follow your
personal tastes for opinions/expressions] is an attempt to control ASHers
whether you care to admit it or not.

	You say that taking your flames to email "just results in mindless
flaming and a nasty headache."	And just what do you think it results in
when you insist on doing it in public???  Can you say "hypocrite" boys and 
girls?  

	Flames are a fundamental part of the net.  But your insistance
on _always_ doing it in public just shows how much you desire to control
the minds of ASHers.  You accuse Luicfuge of trying to censor you
words (which I don't think he was)... but you try to censor people's
_thoughts_ which is a much greater evil by far IM(NSH)O.

	Don't worry, we'll always feel free to flame you to a cinder...



				Psycho Kitten



P.S. I would have sent this via email, but I don't trust Brady to not
post private messages.
-- 

Angela M. Watson / awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu /       [.sig under] 
Psycho Kitten   / zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu    /       [construction]
From: kay@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (k)
Newsgroups: wpi.students.voxhumana,alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Promises are Made to be Broken
Date: 7 Nov 92 17:25:52 GMT
Organization: Project Quantum Gweep
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

Never had to tell a lie
Never had to say goodbye
It was only you and I then
Memories will have to do
They will take the place of you
Can't you tell me what is true when
Words are lies the day they're spoken
Love's a lifetime's only token
Words are lies the day they're spoken
Promises are made to be broken

Life is always compromise
Ties that bind are a bind that ties
All I had was your two eyes then
Never had to tell a lie
Never had to say goodbye
It was only you and I then
Words are lies the day they're spoken
Love's a lifetime's only token
Words are lies the day they're spoken
Promises are made to be broken
They're made to be broken
	--Promises are Made to be Broken
	Information Society, _Peace and Love, Inc._

bah.

The mood I'm in doesn't quite fit on a.s.h., I'm afraid...but there isn't
an alt.mass.homicide.holiday, so it'll have to do.

k
-- 
mosh!  nosh!  mosh!  don't stop moving!  or: the problem of dining punks
just one of the many pressing metamechanical problems being addressed at
the institute for applied wedge physics and petrarcosmology worcester ma
kay@wpi.wpi.edu  chief observer and research head  project quantum gweep
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:54:01 EST
From: Princess Lillith <JD3415A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Hmmmmmm???

I'm a survivor in several ways: tried to kill myself two years ago, one of my
closest friends tried to kill herself this summer, another close friend lost
his lifelong best friend (no note, no explanation, just shot himself in his
garage one afternoon...) so I have a lot of real tangible experience with it
all.  But as experienced as I am there are still so many questions, so many
doubts as to the value of living.  I've been feeling pretty good for a while
but I hit another low today...pure loneliness.  No one even to be lonely with.

But my point is, that light at the end of the tunnel doesn't always help,
because right behind it is another long dark stretch.  When I was in the
hospital "recovering" from my attempt my mother lashed out at me:

"Why do you want to die?  You're a beautiful, intelligent, tallented woman."

"Yes mom.  I'm beautiful, intelligent, tallented, and miserable.  None of it
 helps."
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: tjones@wilbur.psu.edu (Brain Drain)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Election Day!!!
Date: 6 Nov 92 03:33:06 GMT
Organization: The Leaking Spinal Fluid Co.

In article <Bx9qA4.JH9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Emily Dickenson) writes:
>Not necessarily.  You can still take refuge in sundry philosophies,religions,
>substances of varying efficacy, and your navel.  Check out alt.slack; 

considering some of the dreck that passes for philosophy over in alt.slack,
its not so suprising we have a.s.h.  and considering the choice we had in this
year's election, i dont think there are substances strong enough to take
refuge in.  well, unless they prove exceedingly toxic, that is.  and im too
much of a doubting thomas to get hooked on religion.

>let Bob show you the way! 

must admit, the ascii dobshead used to be a great shout macro on the muds i
used to wiz for  :)

>Failing that, consult your pineal gland.

nah... im much more for letting my amygdla show me the way.

-- 
Thomas H Jones II 			       "Hmm... that wasn`t at all what I
      aka.	                                            expected." --me
	thj@csn.org or  tjones@orville.psu.edu or tjones@vivaldi.psu.edu
From: EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: # 7 (archival material)
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:45:22 GMT
Organization: C.C.S.O.

Now, what should i do with my life
With my mind?
 
Drain my soul of blood and let the pallor wax,
Till cold and salty sweat beads on my head
And struggling i collapse??
 
               e.k. circa '84
Euclid@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
standard disclaimers apply
"What!?!  Whaddaya mean, 'no mustard'??!??"
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Subject: Longing for the land of long grass...
Organization: The Eternal Order of Chaos 
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 12:57:28 GMT


	Thanks for all the concern and advise I've been getting...

	Well, I know I'm _not_ getting married any time in the 
next few years (and I'm _not_ getting married to my housemate).  Now all
I have to do is figure out how to get this through his head...

	I can't really afford to move out until spring semester... and
while my name isn't on most of the bills, I feel somewhat morally
responsible to pay for my fair share of them.  If I up and left now (as in
acutally moved out) he'd be hard pressed to find a new place or a 
housemate to take my place... 

	He also would probably never do anything with his life either...
he only started to try to change his life for the better when he 
thought I was just threatening to leave him (but I was serious)... I
find it hard to live with the idea that I'll be leaving him when he
finally starts to do the things that he'd always said he'd do.

	But I know that I have to leave sometime...  I'll wait till
Monday to have a long talk about all this with him... I don't want to
screw up the exam I have Monday morning like I did the one I had Friday.

	This would be so much easier if I didn't know he based his
entire life around me...  =P

	Psycho Kitten

-- 

Psycho Kitten   \ zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu    \ See me at pecan \ Can I buy a  
Angela M. Watson \ awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu \ for more info   \ clue please?