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From: j_reid@snkerz.enet.dec.com (Jim Reid)
Subject: Re: Neely & Bs (was Re: TEAMS TO WATCH (Sabres - better watch quickly))
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 19 AUG 92 12:55:14    


In article <DRAKE.92Aug19104238@dragon.cpe.ulowell.edu>, drake@dragon.cpe.ulowell.edu (Frank Drake) writes...
>In article <4725@balrog.ctron.com> mattb@ctron.com (Matt Brown) writes:
> 
>>>I think they have to face the sad reality that Neely will probably
>>>be several paces behind where he used to be.
>>
>>I tend to agree.
>>> Neely was a great player, but
>>>I doubt that he'll be able to continue his banger style now.
>>
>>Disagree here.  The banging might well increase, given the lack of other
>>bangers on the team.  Think: if he is less of a scoring threat, and slower,
>>he will probably feel inclined to hit more, or will be frustrated and do same.
> 
>[Sorry for jumping in on this late, but here goes...]
> 
>The word here is that Cam has been working hard at being in shape and that
>he should be ready for camp (anyone hear otherwise?). I know that anything
>can happen in a few games (cripes, even Chris Nilan had a scoring streak over
>2 or 3 games last year ;-) but Cam did have a pretty impressive 9 game
>show last season. He was off his stride, but don't you think that if he
>is working out now and has a good, strong camp that he'll be ready to go?
>IMO, he'll be ready. And if Cam is wearing skates, I can't see him avoiding
>a check.
> 
>I also predicted Steph Quintal would emerge as a top notch blueliner after
>each of the last 2 or 3 training camps. He still may emerge in the future,
>but not in the Black-n-Gold :-(
> 
>BTW, don't forget that Bob Sweeney was signed a couple of weeks back. I'm
>sleeping better these nights knowing this. To quote a local sportswriter,
>he's GOTTA have some nasty pictures of SOMEONE in the organization ;-)


I have Heard that Neely is in the best shape in his life with the exception 
of his knee.  That is a Big exception.  He is said to be making good progress
and should be ready for some of the later exihibition games.  I feel that if
Neely can come back even close to his original form, the Bruins will be 
a very good team.


Jim
From: kolasinski@rz-berlin.mpg.de (Rebell ohne Schlips)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Bowman says No!(USA Today WAS wrong!)
Date: 17 Aug 92 10:55:46 GMT
Organization: Dynamics of Laser-Surface Interactions

In article <1992Aug15.160016.2517@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
> In article <4eXFrU_00WBKE1PHJD@andrew.cmu.edu> Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>
>>Everything the Penguins do seems to be screwed up from a PR standpoint.
>>I think this is another area in which they need serious improvement.
>>Of course, when rumors abound it is sometimes difficult to separate
>>fact from fiction; nevertheless, I think the organization should take
>>a look at how it handles all of its public information activities.
>>Craig Patrick is looking more and more like the bad guy; not only from
>>my personal perspective but from that of other people I've talked to.
>>I guess that goes with the territory but I can't decide if I'm being
>>fair to him in my new assessment that he's not doing a spectacular job.
>>
> 
> Point the finger where the blame is due...and that is Howard Baldwin...
> 
> Gerald

	Exactly.  Everything the organization does (read Patrick does) 
regarding negotiations and contract matters seems to go astray PRwise because 
Patrick is always wrigling around like a fish out of water.  That's because 
the guy's got his hands tied.  He must really want another Cup to put up with 
Squeeze-the-Green-out-of-the-Team Baldwin after haveing worked for "As an 
investment, a hockey team stinks" DeBartolo.  You can fault Patrick for not 
handling the PR very well, but look at his esults and you've got to say he's 
done a pretty good job hockeywise.
 
-----------------------------------------------------------
Kurt Wolfgeng Kolasinski
Fritz-Haber-Institut	Abteilung physikalische Chemie
From: am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Stanley Cup not engraved for 91-92 yet
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:36:53 GMT
Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Jim Murawski writes:

>Just got back from seeing the Stanley Cup.  The keepers of the Cup must
>not have yet decided what to do regarding adding new names to the Cup.  The
>Cup was only completely engraved through 90-91.  There was no new, added
>ring with the 91-92 Penguins names on them, and the oldest large ring was
>still on the Cup.
> 
>Anyone know if they've made up their mind on what to do with the Cup yet?

I had heard a while ago that a new ring would be added.  I remember thinking
at the time the Pens would be the last on the old and the first on the new --
surely a question that would end up on Jeopardy! in about 15 years. So now
I don't know what the story is.  Whatever they decide to do, I hope they
decide soon so it's ready for the opening of the season.  I assume they
plan on skating that baby around for the fans.  

While we're on the subject, what's the deal again on traded players getting
their name on the Cup?  
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: NHL in the Olympics
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 04:32:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.155218.12767@ll.mit.edu> lsa@ll.mit.edu (lisa s anderson) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.051748.22601@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>
>|>
>|>Since Edmonton has won a Stanley Cup and three Smythe division
>|>championships (whereas LA has not)...and with a little bit more
>|>luck in staying healthy might have made 3 SC finals, I would
>                          ^^^^^ 
>Wow!  This is first time (that I can remember) you didn't say "WOULD 
>have won had Messier not been injured".  I guess you can't count on 
>anything anymore...
>

If you recall, I did say I would stop whining about Pittsburgh's
soft competition in the 1991 playoffs if they repeated...I am
a man of my word...occasionally or by accident anyways!

Gerald
From: 832989@SKUL.USASK.CA (Glenn Chin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: NHL to showcase game in 15 non-league cities
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:26:31 GMT

From: clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI)
>	A total of 15 games will be played in 12 different non-NHL cities
>across the United States, including two each in Milwaukee, Sacramento,
>Calif., and Cleveland, and one each in Indianapolis, Phoenix, Miami,
>Oaklahoma City, Okla., Dallas, Atlanta, Cincinnati, Providence, R.I.,
>and Birmingham, Ala.
>	In Canada, four games will be played in each Hamilton, Ontario, and
>Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, and one in Halifax, Nova Scotia.

I'm surprised that Hamilton and Saskatoon are getting as many games as they are.
Houston and Seattle, on the other hand, aren't getting any.

Cincinnati may be an NHL expansion site soon.  The Cyclones, who played in the
ECHL last season (IHL upcoming season), led all minor league franchises in
attendance in 1991-92, averaging over 9,000 per game.  The absence of the NBA
from Cincinnati was probably a factor.

Glenn
From: willis@oracle.SCG.HAC.COM (Stan Willis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: LA Kings neutral site games
Date: 21 Aug 92 23:12:18 GMT
Reply-To: willis@empire.dnet.hac.com (Stan Willis)
Organization: none

The LA Kings announced the location of their two neutral site regular
season games.  They are:

Dec. 1 vs Chicago  @ Milwaukee
Dec. 8 vs Montreal @ Phoenix


On another note, the Kings announced the hiring of Rick Minch as director of
public relations.  Minch is the former director of public relations for the
Cleveland Indians.


Stan Willis
net contact: L.A. Kings

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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Re: Senators/Lightning Rosters Wanted
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 01:17:01 GMT

I haven't been keeping up, so some of these players may have been traded and
others added. This was the roster a few days after the draft. Stats are for
last season.

Tampa Bay Lightning

GP Pts  G   A PG SG EG PS PIM Cty Tm  Ps  #  Name
-- --- -- --- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- -- --  ----
10   0  0   0  0  0  0  0   4 USA STL  G  1 *Pat Jablonski
18   0  0   0  0  0  0  0   0 CAN PIT  G  1  Wendell Young
 0   0  0   0  0  0  0  0   0   ? MON  G  -  ? Bergeron
 3   1  0   1  0  0  0  0   0 CAN NYR  D 38  Jeff Bloemberg
 2   0  0   0  0  0  0  0   2 USA WAS  D 25  Shawn Chambers
26   8  0   8  0  0  0  0  14 CAN DET  D 29  Doug Crossman
74   4  3   1  0  1  0  0  91 CAN DET  D  4  Bob McGill
34   9  4   5  2  0  0  0  69 CAN MIN  D  5  Rob Ramage
54  16  4  12  0  0  0  0  85 CAN NYI  D 29  Joe Reekie
22   1  0   1  0  0  0  0   8 CAN STL  D  - *Rob Robinson
44   4  1   3  0  0  0  0  57 USA PIT  D 32  Peter Taglianetti
22   5  1   4  0  0  0  0   2 USA WAS  C 11  Tim Bergland
59  31 10  21  4  0  0  0  48 CAN TOR  C 44  Brian Bradley
50   7  5   2  0  2  0  0  43 CAN NYI  C 18  Rob DiMaio
36  15  3  12  2  0  0  0   6 CAN STL  C 41  Michel Mongeau
59  42 20  22  3  0  1  0  16 CIS EDM  C 19  Anatoli Semenov
75   8  4   4  0  0  0  0 264 USA WIN LW 20  Mike Hartman
30   4  1   3  0  0  0  0 167 CAN CAL LW 19  Tim Hunter
12   3  2   1  0  0  0  0   2 CAN QUE LW  -  Steve Maltais
59  13  5   8  0  0  0  0 245 CAN MIN LW 17  Basil McRae
29   8  3   5  0  0  0  0  56 CAN CHI LW 17  Daniel Vincelette
46   4  1   3  0  0  0  0 166 CAN STL RW 29  Darin Kimble
 5   1  0   1  0  0  0  0   2 CAN BOS RW 32 *Shayne Stevenson
 0   0  0   0  0  0  0  0   0 CAN TOR  ?  -  Keith Osborne
 0   0  0   0  0  0  0  0   0   ? STL  ?  -  Steve Tuttle

 0   0  0   0  0  0  0  0   0   ?   -  C  -  Cory Cross
 0   0  0   0  0  0  0  0   0   ?   -  D  -  Roman Hmrlik
 0   0  0   0  0  0  0  0   0   ?   -  D  -  Drew Bannister
 0   0  0   0  0  0  0  0   0   ?   -  C  -  Brent Gretzky
 0   0  0   0  0  0  0  0   0   ?   -  C  -  Aaron Gavey
 0   0  0   0  0  0  0  0   0   ?   - RW  -  Brantt Myhres
 0   0  0   0  0  0  0  0   0   ?   -  C  -  Martin Tanguay
 0   0  0   0  0  0  0  0   0   ?   -  G  -  Derek Wilkinson
 0   0  0   0  0  0  0  0   0   ?   -  D  -  Dennis Maxwell
 0   0  0   0  0  0  0  0   0   ?   -  D  -  Andy Kemper
 0   0  0   0  0  0  0  0   0   ?   - LW  -  Marc Tardif
 0   0  0   0  0  0  0  0   0   ?   -  C  -  Tom MacDonald

Tom
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From: pyacm@trentu.ca (A Colin Morton)
Subject: Re: John Kordic (Toronto Star Article)
Summary: Non-steroid drug testing in the NHL (was Re: John Kordic) 
Organization: Trent University, Ontario
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:58:30 GMT

In article <2A8AD4FB.22032@noiro.acs.uci.edu> assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site) writes:
>I believe Grant Fuhr had a drug problem for awhile and was suspended from
>playing until he cleaned up.
>
Actually, he was suspended after he cleaned up.  The NHL dealt with Fuhr
the same way they dealt with Borje Salming; both players admitted that
they had, in the past, used cocaine, and both received suspensions for
doing so.  Fuhr had actually been addicted and cleaned himself up; he
had been clean for several months when the story broke and the NHL
slapped him with a one-year suspension (later commuted to six months or
so).

The NHL has no comprehensive policy for dealing with substance abuse
amongst players.  The logic used does not encourage coming forward with
problems and getting help; it encourages carrying on in secret to avoid
getting caught.  This same logic was applied at the Dubin inquiry into
the Ben Johnson affair, as any athlete who testified that he/she had
used performance enhancing drugs received an automatic two-year
suspension.  While some may feel that the athletes themselves are
responsible for their actions, and that the league should turn their
back on anyone with a drug or alcohol problem, the league itself can not
afford to.  The players are role models; while they have a
responsibility to stay clean, they also have a responsibility to come
forward when they do get into trouble.  The league has a responsibility
to help them out, for if they don't they send out a message to the
people watching these athletes that says "If you have a problem, you
will be abandoned."  Yes, the athletes have to get themselves out of
trouble; the league also has to be willing to help them.  Punishing
people for admitting their failings is not a good way to do this.

Colin.
Trent University
From: p_emond@pavo.concordia.ca (PATRICK EMOND)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Hockey?
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:23:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <16ea0sINNmv8@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>, bwelch@incinerator.East.Sun.COM () writes...
>Is a seperate news group really needed in the off season. I don't mean to insult
>anyone but a Canadian game should be kept in their own na. newsgroup. Esp
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 Could anyone help this person find a clue? Canadian game? Granted, we invented
 it, Gretz, Howe, Richard, etc. are Canadian, but it's not a 'Canadian game'
 to the millions of US, Russian, Scandinavian, Europeans, who watch and play it.

 Besides, r.s.hockey lets us discuss trades, prospects and predictions in the
 summer, so if you don't like it, check out rec.party-pooper.

 I think I speak on behalf of all r.s.hockey regulars when I say--
 PBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-Pat
Organization: Sophomore, Metallurgy and Materials Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:15:25 -0400 
From: "Carl D. Lovejoy" <cl3d+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: OH Anna.....

> So what do you say Anna? How about a date? Perhaps a quiet night
>watching the smoke-stacks in ol Pittsburgh burn down on some crisp
>fall night? Maybe a trip to your favorite frozen yogourt stand
>and a stop over at Lori's place? Two out of three falls and the winner
>gets me for the night - how's that sound???
> 
> 
>				gln


    Not to butt in or anything, but may I make a suggestion.

    I think taking a stroll through the brisk Arizona evening air
watching the Alzimier's (sp?) patiences stumble around the streets of
Tuscon would be quite entertaining not to mention romantic. Don't you
think so...

The CMU Kiddie
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Bowman says No!(USA Today WAS wrong!)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:09:51 GMT

In article <92230.61927.J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>Well, fair enough.  I didn't feel like filling in the entire story, though the
>picture is certainly clearer for those who hadn't heard the situation.  The
>point is that it was primarily Baldwin who initiated the process that landed
>an NHL team in San Jose.  And he did wind up in Pittsburgh after a stop in
>Minnesota, but that doesn't change my opinion of him.

But your opinion of him seemed to be based on an erroneous history of the
process.  You claimed that he was a corporate raider type, and the history
doesn't support this.

>And I'll guarantee you that the folks in Minnesota are glad Baldwin left...
>judging by the reaction I saw in the '91 Stanley Cup final, Norm Green was
>practically revered up there.  Far more than I can say for Baldwin...

Baldwin wasn't there long enough for the folks in Minnesota to form any
opinion of him.   Norm is revered mostly because he was lucky enough to
have the Stars go to the final right after he bought them.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com



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From: zeke@meadow.uucp (Samuel Lee)
Subject: Re: Olympics in 199?
Reply-To: zeke@meadow.UUCP (Samuel Lee)
Organization: Amdahl Canada Ltd., Software Development Center
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 16:40:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug7.160859.19672@btree.uucp> terry@btree.uucp (Terry Whalen) writes:
>>Much like the American team in Olympic basketball, a sport
>>which incidentally was invented by a Canadian, Dr. James Naismith,
>>contrary to the common U.S. misconception that Americans "invented"
>
>Give the Americans some credit: Dr. James Naismith was in Boston when he
>invented the game.
>
So what's your point?  Americans didn't invent basketball, a Canadian did.

-- Zeke.
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From: laura@pixar.com (It's Howe, Not How Many)
Subject: Re: NHL Marketing (the beginning?)
Organization: Pixar -- Point Richmond, California
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:47:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.223525.9755@regina.cs.uregina.ca> vipin@regina.cs.uregina.ca (vipin) writes:
>
>
>When I see baseball players I see amazing catches or great hits.  When I see
>football players I see great runs or catches (sometimes good solid hits).
>When I see basketball players I see great manouvers and slam dunks.  When I
>see hockey players I fights and that's all.  The NHL for some reason refuses
>to market great plays by Hull, Lemieux, Gretzky, MEssier, etc.  IF you are
>about to respond that they do market great plays look at the videos that are
>put out for hockey.  Hockey's greatest fights!  Hardest hits!  Bloodiest 
>battles!  You rarely see a title like Greatest Goals!  And if you do, you can
>bet it has lots of fighting in it too.
>
>The NHL has to change its marketing strategies from the ground up.  They must
>find a commisioner strong and willing enough to do that.  You don't have to
>eliminate fighting totally, you just have to find a better marketing method
>than fighting.  Until this is done there will be diddly-squat for TV contracts
>
>
>Vip


I completely agree with this! I just picked up about 3or 4 tapes this week. 
They were supposed to be "funniest moments","gags" and "highlights". Well 
guess what they mostly consisted of...?

The other disturbing thing was that in the narration, they kept trying to 
reinforce the idea that the fans go to games specifically to see the fights.
I admit that I enjoy seeing them once in a while but that IS NOT "THE" reason 
I go.

I wonder if they poll people before they read these narratives...

  
 *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*
Laura Shaffer                               He's got 30 seconds to defuse    
PIXAR - The Computer Picture Company        the bomb before blows.    
Richmond, CA   USA                          All he needs is...A HOCKEY TICKET!! 
email: laura@pixar.com  		
							- MacGyverism #6
From: p_emond@pavo.concordia.ca (PATRICK EMOND)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: re: John Kordic (Toronto Star Article)
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:15:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <92Aug13.091527edt.47897@neat.cs.toronto.edu>, mgreen@cs.toronto.edu (Marc Green) writes...
> 
>From: cs4cb3@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Peter Granic)
> 
> 
>>     Kordic should be remembered in hockey not for what he did, but
>>for what might have been done for him.  
> 
>A similar article appeared in the Globe & Mail and it is enough to
>make you puke. Kordic was a cement-brained, illiterate, thug. 
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

   Agreed. I'll admit, when Kordic was a Hab, I yelled 'Kordic, Kordic' whenever
 he dropped the mitts against McRae, etc. But two years ago here in Montreal, an
 incident occurred where a bunch of blacks were essentially driven out of their
 own apartment building by other residents, mostly whites. Many nearby residents
 who were later interviewed spewed racist insults about the blacks; one of the
 interviewed was John Kordic. It's normal to be a goon on the ice, but off the
 ice is a different story. Kordic had many opportunities to help himself along 
 the line, but didn't use them. He abused alcohol, he took steroids; he knew
 the risks. It's unfortunate, but 'cementhead' is as good a one word description
 of Kordic as any other...

********************************************************************************
Patrick Emond * '...Odelein's got the puck behind his own net, skates out... 
Concordia U.  * he's at center ice, picking up steam... he moves into the Hawks
Montreal, Can.* zone makes a move on Belfour HE SCORES!!!!! Unbelievable!'
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From: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Subject: Any city with more leagues in it?
Reply-To: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 11:50:43 GMT


Has there been another city, besides Cleveland, which has had so teams
in as many existing pro leagues?

Check this out:

AHL - Cleveland Barons
IHL - Cleveland Lumberjacks
NHL - Cleveland Barons
WHA - Cleveland Crusaders (Well, the WHA is carried on in spirit by NYI
and Quebec.  (-:)

I guess that means we can get the teams, but we can lose them too!
-- 
Eric Rickin (ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu)
University of Michigan Class of 1996
East Quad - Cooley
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From: bimson@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (GREG)
Subject: Coaching
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:25:00 GMT

Okay, Okay, Okay.  I did jump the gun just a bit.  If anyone could 
turn the Kings around, it would probably be Melrose.  I did want to 
see how many would bite on that remark, but the Kings do have a bad 
habit to hire a coach just to be Wayne's babysitter.  After this 
year's Cup playoffs, I realized how important a coach is, and Webster 
just wasn't cutting it.  Also, Gerald was right, the Kings trade just 
to bring old Oilers to them and the Great One.  Let's see what happens 
in another five years, when all the ex-Oilers retire from the Kings, 
and then where will they be?  They keep trading future prospects and 
young players for an over-the-hill gang.  I had to laugh when the 
local sportstalk show on radio picked the Kings to come out of their 
division during the Cup.  I called him and asked if he knew anything 
about the Mighty Quinn and the Canucks; now he listens to me.

But now, who are the Pen's going to get for a coach, is it going to be 
a coach like Badger Bob or Bowman, or is it going to be another Pierre 
Whats-his-name, baby-sitting?  I do like the chances of the Pen's 
three-peating, but only if they hire a, a-hem, righteous dude.

Greg
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