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From: eng10039@nusunix1.nus.sg (CHEW KOK CHOR)
Subject: Lecturing Lecturers
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:05:32 GMT

	I was really glad when news of lecturers in tertiary educational
institutes being given a chance to take up courses on teaching came
out.  I think it is about time that they learn how to really teach
properly.

	I am sure many of the local undergraduates will testify to the
horrendous 'lecturing' and 'tutoring' of some of our lecturers/tutors.
The lecturers have a great impact on cultivating or stimulating the
interest of the students in their particular subjects, and so if the
lecturer cannot deliver his lecture properly, the students tend to lose
interest in that subject.  The consequence is obvious.

	In NUS, the 1st year engr undergrads have to take a subject known as
Technical Report Writing(TRW); and the 2nd year undergrads have to take
Technical Communication Skills (TCS, I hope I got that right).  These
subjects are to make us more efficient in communicating, to dispel the
myths (facts?!) that engineers cannot, in general, communicate
'normally'.  I think that it's high time that the lecturers get to take
some course in the spirit of TRW/TCS.  So as to dispel the myth (fact!)
that lecturers can't lecture.

	Too bad they did not make it compulsory for all lecturers to go
through the course.  But let us be the judge.  Let the students vote who
should go for the course.  If not for the whole of NUS, let it be for
the whole of engineering faculty.

	The general population of engineering lecturers (at least for
1st years) is proficient in their teaching.  But there is always the few
(not really that few) who deserve to be taught how to teach.  Let those
beware.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Subject: Re: Lecturing Lecturers
Reply-To: khor@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:22:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.110532.3805@nuscc.nus.sg>, eng10039@nusunix1.nus.sg (CHEW KOK CHOR) writes:
|>      I was really glad when news of lecturers in tertiary educational
|> institutes being given a chance to take up courses on teaching came
|> out.  I think it is about time that they learn how to really teach
|> properly.
|> 
.....
|>      Too bad they did not make it compulsory for all lecturers to go
|> through the course.  But let us be the judge.  Let the students vote who
|> should go for the course.  If not for the whole of NUS, let it be for
|> the whole of engineering faculty.
|> 
There are always good lecturers and bad lecturers.  And this is not
unique to NUS.  Also I thought NUS have a year-end evaluation, where
each student fills in a questionaire on each lecturer/subject.  That's
where you provide feedback (or vote :) if you prefer). And believe me
these feedbacks work, that is if a significant proportion of students
provide consistent feedback (positive or negative).

...Kyle
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: yu@plains.NoDak.edu (A. Yu            )
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Singapore?
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 22:55:25 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1993Jan24.194438.17313@fuug.fi> an1975@anon.penet.fi (I. AMI) writes:
...(mesg. deleted)...

>Wow, what superlative!  I suppose some International Agency did a 
>survey world wide and found yours the best.  Your drivers are 
>certainly not bad. Your system even nuture ``road bullies'' who
>would break your arm, twist your neck and smash your windshield.
>I think some are far superb in HITTING SOMETHING!

Road bullies! Well, show me some proof! Are you Singaporean? Please don't
blemish my countrymen. I take it that you have been thru some unpleasant
circumstances, every places has their bad eggs.

>Doesn't this animal looks like one that had its neck under 
>a tire??

Thanks for the comment, but I love the animal.

>I. AMI
^^^^^^^^ who are you?

Al...
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: eng20009@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN GIM WEE)
Subject: Re: S`poreans own Modems
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 07:00:11 GMT

Liang Tien CHIA (L.T.Chia@lut.ac.uk) wrote:
: Keywords: 
: 
: From Chris Wee..
: Computer Science, University of California at Davis
: 
: 
: About Modems and working at home... Is there a govt policy that don't 
: encourage working at home... Please Comment...
: 
On the contrary. With the upgrading of the national telephone network to
have ISDN capabilities, more people will be expected to work at home.
Besides this, there is benefit in working from home in that there will
be less need for commuting, which will mean less traffic jams. With any
luck, if there are enough people working from home, there might be a day
when car ownership here will be less restrictive. :)

COEs? Down! Down!

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: sci20007@nusunix1.nus.sg (MA SOON PENG)
Subject: Re: Meaning of `Sekali'
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:09:59 GMT

Dani Suleman (suleman@netcom.com) wrote:
: >Can you give an appropriate gloss to the word?  What are its origins?
: I think in the "Singlish" context, "sekali" means once. 

  I'm more inclined to think that sekali fits "What if" (if negative
  consequences) better.  Wht do you think ??

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: sbog6936@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bin Ong)
Subject: Re: Meaning of `Sekali'
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:44:21 GMT
Keywords: Sekali Singlish English Malay

elltankw@nuscc.nus.sg (Tan Kok Wan Peter (Dr)) writes:



>                                      27th Jan. 93
>Can I just get some response about a Singlish word `sekali', sometimes
>spelt `scully'.  This I take to be of Malay origin, but in Malay it means
>`once' (> se = satu = `one' + kali = `time').  This is obviously not the
>sense in which it is used in Singapore English, e.g.

>     Sekali he come in, he'll kill me.
>     I smiled at her.  Sekali she thinks I'm interested in her, gone case.

>Can you give an appropriate gloss to the word?  What are its origins?

>                                    Peter Tan

Apparently the context in these 2 examples imply 'sekali' to mean 'if'?
  
Bin Ong
Univ of Illinois




Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: mrynders@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Maurice Rynders)
Subject: Re: Neon Lights ***
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:00:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.040215.17074@nuscc.nus.sg> eng10005@nusunix1.nus.sg (CHIONH CHOON LEE) writes:
>Kelvin Cheu (cheu@venus.its.uci.edu) wrote:
>: 
>: Why don't we suggest to them to take out all the traffic lights
>: as well. Plus street light...and car and bus head lights.......
>
> Great!!!!! Wonderful idea!!!!!
>

OK, but don't come to me complaining when thhefts and rapes are way up!

MCR 1/25/93
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: kevin@iti.gov.sg (Kevin Patt (SE))
Subject: Re: 1st non-S'porean but S'pore-bred ( I hope )
Organization: National Computer Board, Singapore
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:11:00 GMT

Bertrand Lee <chameleon+@CMU.EDU> writes:

>The Bukit Timah MGS has been around for some time already.
 
Err, not really.  I believe the building is up, but I doubt it's ready for
occupancy.

>+---------------------------------------------------+
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: gz@sei.cmu.edu (Gregory Zelesnik)
Subject: Expatriots in Singapore
Keywords: employment, American
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:51:38 EST


Hi to everyone in this newsgroup.  I'm an American and have been recently
introduced to Malay culture by a good friend who is from Ipoh, Malaysia.

I have known her for 3 years, and we communicate regularly.  She was a 
student here at Carnegie Mellon University, in the States, but now she is
working in Kuala Lumpur.

Since I've known her, I have been extremely interested in Malaysia and in
Singapore.

I was wondering how difficult it would be for an American (or any other 
non-Singaporean person) to obtain employment in Singapore.  I have a 
BS in computer science, and a masters in software engineering.  

If I found a company in Singapore that would hire me, what difficulties
(if any) would I experience with obtaining the required permits for working
as a foreigner?

Is it even possible for me to work there, even temporarily, as a foreigner?

I would love to spend 2 years there, working, and traveling in my spare time
to learn more about Singapore and Malaysia.  I would appreciate any 
information you can help me with.


Gregory Zelesnik                  Software Engineering Institute
gz@sei.cmu.edu                    Carnegie Mellon University
(412) 268 7797                    Pittsburgh, PA   15213
				  U.S.A.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: winston@kuamp.kyoto-u.ac.jp (SEAH Winston)
Subject: Re: Lecturing Lecturers
Reply-To: winston@kuamp.kyoto-u.ac.jp
Organization: Applied Systems Science, Kyoto University, Kyoto, JAPAN
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 08:45:49 GMT


One of the reasons may be that some of these lecturers are foreigners
from non-native English speaking environments and have not been conversing
much of English at all. They may be good researchers and even experts
in their fields of research, but their inability to communicate well in
English hinders their teaching.

So, one suggestion that I can add is that such lecturers should also be
sent to English Proficiency classes, similar to those attended by under-
graduates who have not performed well in the 'A' Level GP or English.

Winston.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: ncl@philabs.philips.com (Nai-Chi Lee)
Subject: Re: Mentality of Singaporean (Grossly over generalization)
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:03:54 GMT

In article <1k6lsuINNrpt@falcon.natinst.com> fellow@natinst.com (Osbert Tan) writes:
>In article <C1Ix5G.Go6@news.iastate.edu>, s_perera@iastate.edu (Sunil M Perera) writes:
>> In article <1993Jan27.135016.9507@philabs.philips.com> ncl@philabs.philips.com (Nai-Chi Lee) writes:
>> >
>> > [Sabo (heroic ?) stuff deleted]
>> 
>> Outstanding..."Sabo-King"...
>> 
>> Best piece of news on the newsgroup that i've seen in a looooonnnnnnng time!
>> (Finally...something interesting has happened)
>
>At the risk of making some overly generalised statements, I will attempt to
>point out the importance of Freedom of speech, and the lack of in Singapore.
>...
>-Osbert

Oh no! more Osbert!

Please, everybody, do NOT encourage this person by arguing with him 
over the network.  We all know how fruitful was the last round of 
"holy-spirit" business this guy started.
--
Nai-Chi
From: ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
Subject: Re: Joke about Singaporean
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:54:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.YfNQwRK00iV1I7WYkL
	<lm6v3sINN5me@earth.cs.utexas.edu>
Organization: Masters student, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Mr.Tan writes:


.

> 
>Sorry you didn't catch the joke.  It was not meant to put down Malaysians
>nor Malays.  On the contrary, it is for illustrating the 'kiasi' nature
>of Singaporeans.  
> 
ph

Okay. What does 'kiasi' mean?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: eng10205@nusunix1.nus.sg (LING SIEW WEE)
Subject: Re: Lecturing Lecturers
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 07:09:16 GMT

SEAH Winston (winston@kuamp.kyoto-u.ac.jp) wrote:
: 
: One of the reasons may be that some of these lecturers are foreigners
: from non-native English speaking environments and have not been conversing
: much of English at all. They may be good researchers and even experts
: in their fields of research, but their inability to communicate well in
: English hinders their teaching.
: 
: So, one suggestion that I can add is that such lecturers should also be
: sent to English Proficiency classes, similar to those attended by under-
: graduates who have not performed well in the 'A' Level GP or English.
: 
: Winston.
: --

But I guess they need to be given some respect. The EP classes are
compusory for students who fail to meet the requirement. But the
lecturers are no more students. I think the best way is to pursade them
to attend such courses but not forcing them to do so.

Wilfred Ling

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: engp2065@nusunix1.nus.sg (Won-Soon Lau)
Subject: Re: Best views of the island?
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 12:41:33 GMT

Robert Jacobson (cyberoid@stein.u.washington.edu) wrote:
> 
> I'm staying downtown.  If I can get out (via feet or public transpor-
> tation), what might be my best destinations to get a good feel for
> Singapore and the best visual outlooks?  Thanks.

Well you can take the MRT (aka subway) to the Eastern or Western part of
Singapore.  Most of the journey will be above ground so you can see a lot
of stuffs.  There are several tourist attractions along the way too so you
might want to stop by and check them out.  To have a good view of the
city you can either go to Mount Faber or check out the "Compass Ross"
restaurant at Raffles City's Westin Hotel.

-Won Soon
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From: renoir@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Khemdut Purang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
Subject: exchange rate
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:28:28 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]


		hi

		anyone know the exchange rate US$ / S$ ?
		anyway of finding that from the net?

		thanks
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: ipacs@solomon.technet.sg (IPACS PTE LTD)
Subject: Re: exchange rate
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:22:57 GMT

Khemdut Purang (renoir@picasso.ocis.temple.edu) wrote:

: 		hi

: 		anyone know the exchange rate US$ / S$ ?
: 		anyway of finding that from the net?

: 		thanks

About US$1.00 --> S$1.66
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: laakkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Tero Laakkonen)
Subject: Re: romantic spots in Singapore
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 07:28:46 GMT

In <27JAN199313195095@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg> sa2263263@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg (ROLAND U) writes:

>In article <1993Jan26.190404.17808@ncsu.edu>, big@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Alan Porter) writes...
>> 
>>I will be visiting Singapore in a couple of weeks, and I'd like to
>>find a nice romantic spot to take my girlfriend.  Something like a
>>park or a quiet spot with an inspirational view...  A good place for
>>an afternoon walk...
>> 

>Try Fort Canning, the look out point is not bad. Or maybe, Sentosa. 
>Can't really remember the other places. Anyway, think others will chip in.

try the east coast of peninsular malaysia...
From: aungk@uproar.enet.dec.com (Kyaw Aung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
Subject: Locating a friend in Singapore
Keywords: locating friend
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:29:36 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Hello Singaporeans out there,

I was looking through the list of news groups and I thought you chaps might be
able to help with locating this Singporean matey of mine working for Motorola 
in Singapore. If anyone knows email address of Motorola in singapore 
( Even Admin/OPs/Root address of Mot ) could you please let me know.

Details :-

Ng See Woon
Development Engineer ( I Think )
works for Motorola @ Ang Mo Kio  (sp?)
resembles cabbage patch kid.
known to have attended some sort of Singaporean Government Dating Agency.

Hope above details have narrow things down somewhat!!

Cheers,

Kyaw Thet Aung
email : aungk@uproar.enet.dec.com
From: spence@cbmvax.commodore.com (Spencer Shanson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
Subject: Contact Lists
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:59:50 GMT
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

I don't know if this is the correct place for such a posting, but here goes. If
not, could someone please cross-post to the relevant newsgroup.


Companies with a commercial interest in SouthEast Asia will profit by renting a
list of about 2000 promotional names (mostly Singapore). These are specially
culled prospects, available at $200 per thousand to rent, or $650 per thousand
to buy. These names are all available electronically.

Other Asian lists are available at lower prices, but are not available
electronically.

Contact:

Mr.T.L.Shanson
127 Aldermans Hill
Palmers Green
London N.13 4QB
England
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: mathew@cs.iastate.edu (Mathew Manathara)
Subject: Singapore Airlines, can someone from Singapore contact me?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 08:40:54 GMT

Hi,

Could someone from Singapore contact me as soon as possible?
I need some information on a ticket from Singapore to Madras (India)
and back. I would really appreciate any help.

I also need similar help re ticket between Kuala Lumpur and Madras.

Thanks in advance,

-- Mathew Manathara
(mathew@iastate.edu)
From: esl_manager@gimme.uh.edu ()
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
Subject: The Best is Yet To Be (ACS)
Date: 22 Jan 1993 20:40:59 GMT
Organization: University of Houston-University Park
Distribution: world
Reply-To: esl_manager@gimme.uh.edu ()
NNTP-Posting-Host: gimme.cc.uh.edu


My God, there are so many of you guys (ACSians) distributed all over the
world --- US, England,  Newfoundland, what else could I ask for ...
Well, it's a small world, I guess.  

Allow me to send this greeting to all of you ACSians: "Happy & a
Prosperous Chinese New Year."
And to bring a little of  our old sentiments back to live:

	"Sing ACS for forevermore,
	Our ACS forever,
	God save our land and heaven bless,
	Our ACS forever!"

--
Arthur K. S. Yeo
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		  akyeo@cs.uh.edu	(Research) 
		  AksYeo@UH.Edu		(Others)
U.S. Mail	: Attn: ESL Manager (Arthur Yeo)
		  Campus-wide Software Library Grant (CSLG)
		  University of Houston - University Park 
		  Houston, TX. 77204-1961
From: bumbles@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Wei Chi Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
Subject: Re: Differences between Singaporen Cantonese and Hongkong Cantonese ?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 16:16:40 -0500
Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
From: ho@ksl.Stanford.EDU (Hiang-Kwee Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
Subject: Re: info request
Date: 21 Jan 1993 22:09:16 GMT
Organization: KSL, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpp.stanford.edu
Keywords: SCO


DSO is directly on Technet/Internet, and MINDEF also has dial-in
subscribers to Technet. The gopher at solomon.technet.sg has details
of the latter. I don't know if any of the SCO people are in that list.

HK
From: cyberoid@stein.u.washington.edu (Robert Jacobson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
Subject: Best views of the island?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 06:35:57 GMT
Organization: WORLDESIGN, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu


I'm staying downtown.  If I can get out (via feet or public transpor-
tation), what might be my best destinations to get a good feel for
Singapore and the best visual outlooks?  Thanks.

Bob Jacobson
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: suleman@netcom.com (Dani Suleman)
Subject: Re: Meaning of `Sekali'
Keywords: Sekali Singlish English Malay
Organization: The Whatever Group
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:23:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.071351.13746@nuscc.nus.sg> elltankw@nuscc.nus.sg (Tan Kok Wan Peter (Dr)) writes:
>
>     Sekali he come in, he'll kill me.
>     I smiled at her.  Sekali she thinks I'm interested in her, gone case.
>
>Can you give an appropriate gloss to the word?  What are its origins?
>
I think in the "Singlish" context, "sekali" means once. 

--dani
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: eng20009@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN GIM WEE)
Subject: Re: Info needed on NTU Vax
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:17:59 GMT

Kwan Ping Chua (kwanping@leland.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
: 	Does anyone know how to use the talk command to talk to someone on the
: NTUVAX?  It seems that the finger method given (@ntuvax.ntuix.ntu.ac.sg) cannot
: be used for the talk command as the message host unknown will come up.  I'm
: desparate to know how to talk to my friend in NTU..... Thanks a lot for any
: info> :)
: 
: 							Cheers,
: 							       Kwan Ping
: 
: "In some things, you just have to go on faith."
Just do this: talk userid@vXXXX.ntu.ac.sg

where XXXX is the node that the person is on, eg v9000, v9001 or v8803
etc

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