HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gjm11@cus.cam.ac.uk (G.J. McCaughan)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.christia
Subject: Re: Freedom Withheld
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:51:35 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge, England

In article <CHRISTIA%92110904185840@ASUACAD.BITNET>, MKLINE@VDH.BITNET (Michael A. Kline) writes:
> On Mon, 9 Nov 1992 02:33:16 GMT (G.J. McCaughan) said:
> >In article <CHRISTIA%92110717545056@ASUACAD.BITNET>, "Michael A. Kline"
> ><MKLINE@VDH.BITNET> writes:
> >
> >> A junior from South Albany High School stated that he has been forbidden
> >> (...)
> >
> >Careful. The Bible contains war, adultery, attempted gang-rape, actual
> >rape, demons, all sorts of things. Just because a book mentions something
> >doesn't mean it approves it; I'm pretty sure "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's
> >Nest" is not advocating any of the things you describe.
> >
> Yes. Did you then hear there is an atheist trying to have the Bible removed
> from the school library for these very reasons? He is trying to get the
> Bible "X rated" so that it will have to be removed from all children.

No, I didn't hear that. But by arguing against books on those grounds yourself,
you are preparing the way for people to do just that sort of thing. If the fact
that "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest" contains gang-rape and such is enough to
make it unsuitable for schools, then the same *is* true of the Bible.

Now, of course I wouldn't suggest that the Bible should be banned from schools.
But then nor would I suggest that other books which refer to unpleasant things
should be forbidden.

-- 
Gareth McCaughan     Dept. of Pure Mathematics & Mathematical Statistics,
gjm11@cus.cam.ac.uk  Cambridge University, England.    [Research student]
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From:         Tom Brewer <NOTTMB@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Point to Eric.
              10 Nov 1992 14:17:04 -0500 from <eje@IRENAEUS.MLO.DEC.COM>

Yo Eric:

> Still, we need to ensure that we have the rights we need to spread the
> Gospel unfettered, for if the government prevents us from spreading the
> Gospel, the Gospel proclamation suffers.

Think about what you're saying here. Can the government really prevent anyone
from spreading the Gospel of Almighty God? It's going to go wherever God
chooses to send it, no further and no shorter. He puts the bounds on it.
Government can only do what He calls on it to do. Remember, God has the
kings heart in His control.

Tom Brewer
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From:         Cindy <CHAMI01@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Prayer Request

My mother is a diabetic and she is having laser surgery on her eyes today.  Her
 eye is leaking.  Please pray for the doctor doing the surgery and for my mothe
r's speedy recovery.  The doctor has indicated it may take months for her visio
n to clear.  Thank you.


Cindy
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From:         "(dave talaga x2752)" <talaga@E5SB.OSDHW.SYR.GE.COM>
Subject: Re: What IS the G O S P E L ???

Jesse,

A worthy summation of the Gospel of our Lord and Savior.  It puts the
 responsibility of our sin, our evil deeds, and the resultant suffering,
 precisely where it belongs: on our individual shoulders.  And yet, shows how a
 perfectly righteous and just God could love His chosen to the point of
 providing the means necessary to save them.

By any human standard, the gospel of Jesus Christ is a radical one; but, then
 again, we serve a radical God.

Dave Talaga
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Subject:      Re: RUN DMC *****SAVED*****!

Yo Jermaine!!   How did Hallelujah night go???  How's RUN DMC and VANITY
goin'  Gotta run, but update me!!
Matt - your bro at IC
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From:         Z_STAFF_CL@SOUTHAMPTON-INSTITUTE.AC.UK
Subject:      RE: My Election Results

Bill,

Not a bad percentage.  A testing time I know.  Bear your disappointments.
God normally has something in store for us at times like these.
One door closes .... etc
Regards
Carol L
From: jon@spss.com (Jon Fry)
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Subject: Re: discriminant analysis
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:34:17 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

In article <1992Nov6.211152.7385@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> alden@coos.dartmouth.edu (Laurie F. Alden) writes:
>I have four groups of cases, 1, 2, 3, and "I can't tell".
>How can I use DISCRIMINANT to put the "I can't tell" observations into
>one of the other groups, based on the many other variables per
>observation?
>
>SPSSX regards "I can't tell" as a legitimate group into which to put
>these cases, which obviously isn't my aim.
>
>Help!  How to fix it?
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>Laurie

Either define the range of the GROUPS variable so it does not include
the "I can't tell" code, or define that code to be missing.  Either
way, the DISCRIMINANT procedure will not use those cases in the
analysis phase, but will classify them.


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SPSS Inc.           |  are my own and not those
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Subject: speed of SPSS-PC and SPSS
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:43:00 GMT
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We are considering using 486/50 MHz machines to run SPSS-PC in our office,
instead of SPSS on a VAX mainframe.  Does anybody have experience on ways to
accurately compare the relative speed of processing for the two SPSS systems?
The VAX is a time-sharing system, so processing times for SPSS programs depend
on the number of VAX users and what they're doing.  The 486/50 system would be
a single-user system for each computer.  We often work with datasets exceeding
20,000 records.  Most of our activities are:  MATCH FILES, ADD FILES, TABLES,
REPORT, FREQUENCIES, CROSSTABS, and DESCRIPTIVES.  Any advice would be greatly
appreciated.

Joe Meyer, Assistant Director
Institutional Research & Planning
Southwest Texas State University
San Marcos, Texas  78666
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Hello ,  my name is Philip J. Wang.   I am now programming in FORTRAN77
could anyone tell me if there is any FORTRAN subroutine library that
I can use ?

Thank you very much indeed!

Philip J. Wang

Santa Clara University
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Subject:      Conjoint Experts
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CONTENT:   Conjoint Analysis
SUMMARY:   Using a subset of an orthogonal array in conjoint
REL/PLTF:  SPSS 4.01/Mac, 4.0/MVS/CMS
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NAME:      Greg Nelson
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This is being cross-posted.  Disregard if uninterested in conjoint....

Greetings!  I am assisting a researcher here at the University of Georgia
who would like to conduct a conjoint study which has 3 factors. It is a 6 x
5 x 2 design with 60 possible combinations.  Obviously one cannot possibly
digest 60 alternatives and discriminate but only a small amount of them.

   Question #1 - Is there any research which suggest the optimal number of
alternatives that respondents can process?

I then use the PLANCARDS procedure to obtain the orthogonal array.  The
programming looks like....

ORTHOPLAN /FACTORS=
    BRAND 'Brand Name' (1 'A*' 2 'B*' 3 'C*' 4 'D*' 5 'E*' 6 'F*')
    PRICE 'Price' ('$7.99' '$9.99' '$11.99' '$13.99' '$15.99')
    FORMAT 'Formatted' (1 'Yes' 2 'No')
    /HOLDOUT=4.

And produces (with the default seed) 49 experimental cards.  That seems
like a lot considering I started with only 60 possible.  Furthermore, 49
alternatives is also too many cards to digest.

   Question #2 -  If I use a card sort procedure and have each respondent
rank order a random subset (say 6 cards) I assume that SPSS will treat the
others as missing.  Is there a problem with that?

OR ...

since the researcher really wants all the levels of each factor retained in
the study, can I randomly assign a subset of the levels and create several
mini-studies using the entire orthogonal array for each mini-study?  For
example, if I use a 3 x 2 x 2 design I end up with only 9 cards.  I could
randomly generate all the possible subsets and have subjects card sort and
then somehow combine the results of the "mini-studies:....?

I appreciate hearing from anyone who has experience with designing and/or
conducting a conjoint study....  TIA  :-)
Greg Nelson
UCNS - Client Services
The University of Georgia
gnelson@uga.cc.uga.edu
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I would like to hear from any current or former Unisys/Burroughs A-Series sites
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From:         "J. A. HARTOG" <ABRAMSE@HROEUR1.BITNET>
Subject:      Heywoord cases and SPSS/PC+ output

The output of the procedure FACTOR can contain a part called
"Initial Statistics" and next a part called "Final Statistics".
The output under the heading "Initial Statistics" contains
two tables: one table with particulars of the solution and a
table called "Factor Matrix".
Then follows the heading "Final Statistics" and then a table
with particulars of the final solution.
Part of my problem is: does the Factor Matrix table belong to
the final solution ? It is included under the heading "Initial
Statistics" but when the option "Initial" is omitted from the
print subcommand the Factor Matrix table is printed nevertheless.
Why is this important for me ? Well, as long as all the commu-
nalities are smaller than one everything is allright. But in the
other case some peculiarities arise.
Using the ULS extraction method the loading of a particular variable
in the Factor Table is 1.01209 (the solution is a one-factor one), while
the communality of the variable is given as .99900 and the corres-
ponding diagonal element of the reproduced correlation matrix is
.99999.
Using the ALPHA method the corresponding numbers are 1.03203,
1.06564 and again .99999. This result looks a little better
than the ULS one because the communality is the square of the
loading.
Does anyone know the background of these decrepancies ? Many thanks.
                               Jaap Hartog
From: WINCHELL@KENTVM.BITNET (Janice Winchell)
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Subject: Q Factor Analysis
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:29:37 GMT
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I have a grad student with a question as to the abililty of doing Q factor
analysis with SPSS.  Apparently, someone vaguely recalls an article
somewhere that implied that it was possible.  Can anyone on the list confirm
or deny this ?


TIA

Jan Winchell
Systems Analyst
Academic Computer Services
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From:         Murph Sewall <SEWALL@UCONNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: finding their last answer (fwd)
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              5 Nov 1992 09:54:39 WET from <R.A.Reese@SEQUENT.CC .HULL.AC.UK>

On Thu, 5 Nov 1992 09:54:39 WET you said:
>Sorry Murph, but you're answer looks like the standard exam answer -
>the correct answer to another question.  However, it's quite likely
>that the original user wants both pieces of information: WHICH was
>the number of the last response and what was its VALUE.  Looking
>again at the question I realise that I'd assumed that non-responses
>had been coded MISSING, but it looks implicit, i.e., sample data would
>list something like
>
>   var1 var2 var3 var4 var5 var6 var7 var8 var9 var10 var11 var12 var13
>    .     .   .    1    .     .    .    .   .     .     5     .     .
>    .     8   .    .    .     .    3    .   .     .     .     .     .
>    .     .   .    .    .     .    .    .   .     4     .     .     .
>
>and the user wants
>
>   answer
>     5
>     3
>     4

I ask (and answer) that sort of (pick the applicable item from this
list) kind of question all the time.  As Marco's later note pointed out,
my impression was accurate.  However, changing what I had to provide the
value in the last variable answered is trivial -

compute answer = 0
do repeat v = var1 to var13
if (not missing(v)) answer = v
end repeat

>>In SPSS/PC it means writing 13 IF statements.

Ah, back in the 'old days' (two years ago), there was no SPSS for
Windows which is why I told my employer I wanted a Mac (I could have
opted for OS/2, but software other than SPSS is still sparse in that
environment).  I knew SPSS PC had limitations, but having nimbly avoided
them, I'm not aware when one applies.

/s Murph Sewall <Sewall@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
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> From:  Osmo Kolehmainen
>        Department of Statistics
>        University of Joensuu
>        Finland
>
> Can anyone explain this? When I want a sample (perhaps 10%) from a population
> of size 505, I almost every time get get a different result. Changing the seed
> number does not help. Whereis the BUG??

I believe that you must re-set the seed each time you sample.   Otherwise, the
"RANDOM" sampling process continues on where it left off.

Hope this helps.

Howard Kaplon
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From:         "Mrs. S.M. Byrne" <sbyrne@UXB.LIV.AC.UK>
Subject:      Compute median

Hope someone can help me.  I have had a request from a user who
needs to compute a new variable to be the median of 5 existing variables
in SPSS-X.

e.g.

Variables:          A     B     C      D     E     newvariable
                    =     =     =      =     =     ===========

                    7     2     3      9     1     should be set to 3

I cannot find any reference to a median function and he is using Version
3 of SPSS-X, so cannot use the FLIP command.

Please reply direct to me and I will summarize to the list.

Thanks for your help,

Sue Byrne.

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From:         AJK@NIHCU.BITNET
Subject: Re: sampling

> > From:  Osmo Kolehmainen
> >        Department of Statistics
> >        University of Joensuu
> >        Finland
> >
> > Can anyone explain this? When I want a sample (perhaps 10%) from a populati
on
> > of size 505, I almost every time get get a different result. Changing the s
eed
> > number does not help. Whereis the BUG??
>
> I believe that you must re-set the seed each time you sample.   Otherwise, th
e
> "RANDOM" sampling process continues on where it left off.
with a given seed a particular RNG (random number generator)
should produce the same stream of random numbers.  Usually
these numbers are real and between zero and one.
SAMPLE percentage
reads a case, generates a random number, compares %/100 to
the random numberr and in/excludes the case from the sample.
the result is a sample of about x% of the cases.
SAMPLE n FROM n
does much the same thing except that the percntage is constantly adjusted
to assure that an exact sample size is obtained.

Between runs if you don't change the seed
with the same pop size and the same SAMPLE statement
you should select the same cases.
Different seeds with the same pop should give you a different set of cases.
In the same run if you are doing temporary samples you
should get different sets of cases on each pass of the data
UNLESS YOU RSET THE SEED TO THE SAME NUMBER.
this is because k passes of 505 cases results in k*505 calls
to the RNG.  and as the earlier reponder said the process goes
on where it left off.

art kendall
ajk@nihcu
From: cids05@vaxa.strath.ac.uk (Dr Stephen K Tagg)
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Subject: Re: Formatted Values in LIST command
Date: 9 Nov 92 10:52:51 GMT
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In article <92311.143454U58664@uicvm.uic.edu>, 
Francine Cannarozzi <U58664@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
> I have a simple question about the LIST command.  If value labels
> have been defined, why aren't the formatted values displayed in the
you may think it is simple but.....
value labels associate a label with a coded value
In SPSS this is seperate from changing format
which is done with the format command.
However what i believe you are looking for is the
Report /format=list which lists cases with the 
value labels rather than the numerical values
> LIST output?  The proper formatted values are used, for instance,
> for tables or crosstabs.  Is there an option to use to get the
> LIST output with formatted values? Or perhaps another procedure
> I should use?  Thanks.
>  +                                              +
>  | Francine Cannarozzi <U58664@UICVM.UIC.EDU>   |
>  | University of Illinois at Chicago            |
>  | School of Public Health                      |
>  | Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics |
>  +                                              +
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 92 10:03:37 MET
From:         "J. A. HARTOG" <ABRAMSE@HROEUR1>
Subject:      Heywoord cases and SPSS/PC+ output
To:           spssx-l@uga

The output of the procedure FACTOR can contain a part called
"Initial Statistics" and next a part called "Final Statistics".
The output under the heading "Initial Statistics" contains
two tables: one table with particulars of the solution and a
table called "Factor Matrix".
Then follows the heading "Final Statistics" and then a table
with particulars of the final solution.
Part of my problem is: does the Factor Matrix table belong to
the final solution ? It is included under the heading "Initial
Statistics" but when the option "Initial" is omitted from the
print subcommand the Factor Matrix table is printed nevertheless.
Why is this important for me ? Well, as long as all the commu-
nalities are smaller than one everything is allright. But in the
other case some peculiarities arise.
Using the ULS extraction method the loading of a particular variable
in the Factor Table is 1.01209 (the solution is a one-factor one), while
the communality of the variable is given as .99900 and the corres-
ponding diagonal element of the reproduced correlation matrix is
.99999.
Using the ALPHA method the corresponding numbers are 1.03203,
1.06564 and again .99999. This result looks a little better
than the ULS one because the communality is the square of the
loading.
Does anyone know the background of these decrepancies ? Many thanks.
                               Jaap Hartog
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From: nichols@spss.com (David Nichols)
Subject: Re: discriminant analysis
Organization: SPSS Inc.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:49:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.211152.7385@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> alden@coos.dartmouth.edu (Laurie F. Alden) writes:
>I have four groups of cases, 1, 2, 3, and "I can't tell".
>How can I use DISCRIMINANT to put the "I can't tell" observations into
>one of the other groups, based on the many other variables per
>observation?
>
>SPSSX regards "I can't tell" as a legitimate group into which to put
>these cases, which obviously isn't my aim.
>
>Help!  How to fix it?

What you would want to do in this case would be to use the SELECT
subcommand in DISCRIMINANT to select only those cases with grouping
values of 1, 2 and 3 for use in the analysis. SPSS will then automatically
separately classify the unselected (can't tell) cases into one of those
three groups. You can use SAVE to keep these classifications, or the
posterior probabilities of each group membership.

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