From: cblanc@pomona.claremont.edu
Subject: is this lie or confusion?
Organization: Pomona College
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:28:11 PDT

In article <1992Apr8.040739.2158@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, Kevin.J.Feury@dartmouth.edu (Kevin J. Feury) writes:
> again, that simple sound was what they were after, given the long,
> twisting patterns of AJFA. read an article or two about it. hell, i
> think i even wrote one about ten minutes ago. and i think 'harvester'
> is by far the worst song on AJFA. i didn't find it catchy at all. as
> for METALLICA, other than 'sandman', i don't find it catchy at all. 

	Brilliant, Kev.  Pure brilliance!  YES, I have read articles about it;
I've heard what they have to say.  Ever think THEY COULD BE LYING?  What do
they want?  Money!  Why would they want to complicate their earning cycle? 
NOT!  Catchy ... let's see.  This is harder to prove because it's pure
subjectivity, but think about the cadenced chants of Harvester of Sorrow; it's
a simple pop sound, a chanting followed by an echoed vocal.  The riff surely is
a simpler sound.  From "Metallica," let's see:  Enter Sandman has that neat
singsong "Exit Light/Enter night" hook and the purely silly lyrics sung with
the same fervor as Nirvana.  What about Sad But True?  "Hey-ey!"  Sounds like
pop rock to me.  The Unforgiven ... that neat little "la nah nah" or whatever
it is he sings at the end...what, is this MetalliJovi or something?

> they picked him for the sound they could get, not for what else he
> produces. don't you ever listen to what the band say? although alex

	Why?  What's their incentive to tell the truth?

> would have given the band better sound than flemming, rick rubin would
> certainly not have, and neither of them would have given the quality

	I thought he did a better job for metal than Rock did.

> that bob rock does. say what you want about the other groups he
> produces, but the man gives a good sound. regardless of this, the band
> wrote the songs, not the producer.

	But he was "like a fifth member of the band" - Hetfield, I think.

> and my point is that he doesn't care what everyone else thinks.

	Then why the Rolling Stone interview?  

> besides, anyone with even part of a working brain should look at the
> big picture, not a single song. a normal person should be able to look
> past what a song says and try to see what the group is actually saying.

	It's not my fault they cannot write coherent lyrics.

> for example, i like the insight suaron (and if you read this thread,
> you know how much he likes g'n'r) gave me in a post he made about the
> lyrics. he thinks they were written with axl's idea what the thoughts
> of a racist person look like. step back and examine that for a second.
> i like this idea. it's new to me, and very interesting. of course,
> giving that explanation, they still should not pull the song, because
> it demonstrates that the band is not racist...

	I originally thought that was the basis for the song.  I don't care if
they yank it - I'm not convinced they're not racist - but they are presenting
an unclear image at best to the public.

> very good interpretaion on your part about the debate. i have been for
> nearly seven years.however, what i wrote was that it was silly for
> people to consider g'n'r racist because of one song they wrote and the
> lyrics in that song. if you say that the lyrics alter the way people
> think about axl and g'n'r, then in effect, they do twist people. you
> said it, not me.

	No, I didn't.  The lyrics portray Axl as racist, but do not twist
people into thinking along racist lines.

> no, but it would impress me if you could put up some facts instead of
> opinions without backing.

	Have you put forward any facts?  Most of this is interpretive anyway;
what do you want?  A confession from James Hetfield?

> true, especially when one party doesn't actively engage. and your

	What's the point when arguing with closed minds who dish out squirrel
arguments?

> 'worse fights' don't scare or impress me. what you're saying is that
> you'll fight solely to fight, regardless of whether you're right or

	No.  I'm fighting because I hate ignorance and deception.

> wrong. that's moronic. and you don't piss me off. you rather make me
> laugh.

	Kev, you make me wonder...and laugh.  :]=
 
>> So leave me now, little man.
> 
> wouldn't you just love that.

	Actually, yes. 

> as if...

	As if this were real?

> 
> -kev.