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From: bcg42647@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hasaneenee Dingo )
Subject: Re: Batman vs. Spiderman
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 07:18:04 GMT

agapow@latcs1.lat.oz.au (paul-michael agapow) writes:

><rauser.702945880@sfu.ca> rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes:
>>
>>   If Batman fought Spiderman, who would win? Granted Spidey is much stronger
>>and faster...but Batman's got a wealth of gadgets and his studly armour. 
>>Both are brilliant (remember, Peter Parker was a science grad student) but
>>Batman is much shrewder IMHO. More importantly, if these two heroes were to
>>fight to the death, who would you netters cheer for?

>What i really want to know is, if the Ewoks fought the Smurfs, who would
>win? Like while the Ewoks are hardened combat veterans, and might have a
>few ATTs still hanging around, the Smurfs have magic and the wisdom of
>Grandpa Smurf. And of course they could always distract the ewoks with
>Smurfette and make a flanking attack. But the Ewoks could probably
>convince the Care-Bears to join their side which would even up the fight.
>i'm not sure if ET would join the Smurf side, he/it might hire him/itself
>out as a mercenary to either side, and since neither side has a monetary
>system, this would present problems. 

>So what do you think?

I believe the Alliance kept all the AT-ST's for themself, so the Ewoks are
down, there, and, as you all recall from the Saturday Night Live where
Sigourney (sp?) Weaver was host, [in the segment entitled "Alienses"], E.T. is
in fact dead - shot to death by hyperactive over-muscled space marines.

In any event, you forgot the Smurfs' ace-in-the-hole: Ah-nold Smurf.
							*Heenop!*
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: WakeUpCall from the Real World!
Keywords: Could Batman Beat the T-1000
Date: 10 Apr 92 02:21:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


     This is quite possibly the stupidest thread I have ever
     seen on this, or any other, newsgroup, and that's saying
     something.    


          ^Hot Damn, That Pie Was Good!^
                     Common Phrases Heard at
                     RR Diner #32.

          ^Scott Gorcey, v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu^
From: daffy@daimi.aau.dk (Per Posselt Munck)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Terminator, what book?
Date: 9 Apr 92 10:25:43 GMT
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark

It has been mentioned a few times that Terminator is based on a book.
What book then if anyone can help me out.

Per Munck
From: mephron@tronsbox.UUCP (Mephron)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Maniacs vs. madness.
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:10:01 GMT
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.

In article <92103.183211JMH131@psuvm.psu.edu> JMH131@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
> Wouldn't it be cool if they had a movie where Jason, Freddy Krueger, Michael
> Myers, Pinhead, and Leatherface formed an alliance against the forces of good.
> What could possibly stand in their way?  Or would they fight against each
> other because they spoiled each others plans?

Silly boy.  Xipe Totec (Pinhead, to you) would dominate the others.  Any who
would not follow his commands would find a great deal of pleasure on the
Torture Column.

And then it would be, truly, "Time to play."
From: boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The fox so cunning and free)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Why not Warrior Queen?
Date: 10 Apr 92 10:48:19 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <XCcoWo5Cu3Y@catzen.GUN.de>, scot@catzen.GUN.de (Scot W. Stevenson) writes...

} Hmpf. I have heard a lot about the film "Warrior Queen," even seen it
} quoted in other films, but my trusty Video Movie Guide (1990) is silent.
} Depressingly silent. What is with this movie, is it so porn that the
} book that put in Gwendoline won't touch it, or is it so bad that they
} who reviewed Scream don't want to talk about it?

That depends. If your "Video Movie Guide" only lists films available on
video, then that's your answer. WARRIOR QUEEN was never (that I know of)
released on video.

As for the film itself, I've seen it on one of the cable TV movie channels,
and it's laughably bad. It's not porn, though it has Samantha Fox (the
porn star, not the singer) in it, as well as some amount of nudity and
suggested sex. It's set in the decadent final days of Pompeii (and even
steals some footage from THE LAST DAYS OF POMPEII -- it's amazing how
much better the volcano scenes are than anything else in the movie),
and also "stars" Donald Pleasance.

As I like to say of it: "It's full of tits and lava, signifying nothing."

-- 

	"Buster, this trip downriver has been truly special.
	 Downright Twainian in a Hitchcockian sort of way."


--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)

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From: cleggp@aix.rpi.edu (Paul Jason Clegg)
Subject: Re: The Blood Of Heroes
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:01:10 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.170837.13977@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> awalsh@mta.ca writes:
>I saw it in surround at a friend's house. The coolest part by
>far was when the chainman would spin the chain around and it
>actually WENT AROUND in surround. Way cool. Great idea for a sport
>too. No need to replace Monday Night Football though, but have it
>with an Arenaball game. What a doubleheader!!

Maybe they'll add it as a part of "American Gladiators"...  :)

BTW, has anyone ever figured out what the rules to Jugging are?  I mean, there
obviously aren't too many, but things like field size, spike positioning (for
the dog skulls to be placed on) and so forth...  Anyone figured them out yet?

I kinda think the field is a circle, with a smaller circle in the middle
for the Quicks to go after the skull.  I figure there's also a "quasi-line"
that prevents teams from starting too close to the opponent's spike...

Maybe a 50-foot diameter circle and a 10-foot diameter inner circle?

...Paul

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Subject: Script summary (It's Alive)
From: bill@mathnx.math.byu.edu (Bill Smith)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 18:05:29 GMT
Organization: Brigham Young University -- Mathematics Department
Keywords: Got one?

Does anyone out there have a script summary or even a script for the movie "Its
Alive" that could be sent to me email?  I understand a sequel was made.  What
was that about?? [It's Twins?? ;-)]

--
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From: willimsa@unix1.tcd.ie (Gavin Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: T-1000 vs. The Blob?
Date: 11 Apr 92 21:03:07 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <92101.174932TJS107@psuvm.psu.edu> TJS107@psuvm.psu.edu (Sime) writes:

>In article <8r5tqt=@rpi.edu>, cleggp@aix.rpi.edu (Paul Jason Clegg) says:

>(Gosh I hate threads like these...)
>Seriously, they are getting a bit away from the movie concept.
>Most of them just lead to posts like this, which really don't have mush to say,
>and probably will result in flame wars (i.e. Enterprise vs. Galactica:   That
>would be a fun argument...).
					^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Been done already.

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From: gt1926b@prism.gatech.EDU (NIX,MORRIS LAMAR)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Leia's age (was: Re: Star Wars canon stuff. Stop it please)
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:21:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: hydra.53682
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Leia was 20.  How do I know?  Simple:  Luke was 20, Luke and Leia are twins,
ergo Leia was 20.

Either that, or it was one incredible pregnancy. :)

Later...
From: mikka@sssab.se (Mikael Karlsson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Mistake at ending of T2
Date: 8 Apr 92 11:43:17 GMT
Organization: Scandinavian System Support AB
Posting-Front-End: Winix Conference v 92.04.07  1.20 (running under MS-Windows)

In article <1992Apr6.031335.11748@unlinfo.unl.edu>, gberigan@cse.unl.edu 
(Life...) writes:
>SCHLEGEL@Zeus.unomaha.edu (Mark) writes:
>
>>Throughout the movie Terminator 2 they made a big deal about the 
>>importance of destroying all the dangerous terminator parts from the 
>>first terminator that would give scientists a jump on the advanced 
>>technology that made the skynet possible.  Did anyone notice that one 
>>of Arnold's arms got left in that big gear at the end of the film and 
>>they didn't throw it in the melted steel?  They clearly showed them 
>>throw in the original arm, the microprocessor and the T1000.
>
>Yeah, but then you need to reason away the leg from the first movie that
>was intact!  Think about it, that leg was intact, that arm was crushed!

Cyberdyne Systems and Dyson got their ideas for the neural net processor 
from the CPU, not from the arm or leg of the old terminator. I guess they 
just kept the arm because it (especially the hand) is a very powerful 
symbol of engineered life. Having a foot on display wouldn't have quite 
the same impact.

/Mikael
From: mjln_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mikeey J. Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: The Blood of Heroes
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:39:43 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <js8t3w@rpi.edu> cleggp@aix.rpi.edu (Paul Jason Clegg) writes:

>Has anyone besides myself seen "The Blood of Heroes" with Rutger Hauer?

>Do any of the above people actually like it?

>Does anyone think the sport of "Jugging" would be a really cool replacement
>for Monday Night Football?

>...Paul  (Thought this place needed a new kind of message besides "X vs. X"
>          and "I hate X vs. X message" messages...)

>|FQT 1.10| Do not Disturb.  Already Disturbed.

	Hmmm... I wouldn't mind playing the sport. (assuming I'm armored)
However, I would make it more interesting by making it a requirement for 
the players to compete against many teams at once. This way, the "weaker"
teams can team up against the "strongest" team. It's more diversed this way.
As for it replacing Monday Night Football, why not? I'l like it.

							Mikeey
					    mjln_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
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From: csmith@onetouch.COM (Craig Smith)
Subject: Re: Ending of ALIENS...
Organization: MCS/OneTouch, Inc.
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 23:15:50 GMT

In regard to the references to a "Bug Hunt".

It is not at all uncommon in the military to run training in places without
letting the troops know it is only training.

I believe the reference is to Heinlein's "Starship Troopers", where the
militia hunts around for things to pop out of the ground.

Of course, none of them were actually expecting anything to pop out,
since nothing had before.

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From: tron1@tronsbox.xei.com (Kenneth Jamieson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Beastmaster ][
Date: 14 Apr 92 03:23:47 GMT
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.


	I am watching this movie now - and will give you a capsule review.

	RENT IT!!

	It's twice the movie I thought it would be, and they took it
half as seriously as I thought they would!

	The best almost line in movie history....

	"Can I hold your weasel?"

			       *******

	Best line that WAS in the movie...

	"This carriage, it moves without horse power!"

	- reply -

	"I keep telling Dad to get this thing tuned up but he never
	 listens to me!"
 
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From: sh_strawn@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Review for Lawnmower Man?
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:28:29 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

 
the review of sleepwalkers is mostly right.  it was very toughh to buy.  

can anyone write a review for lawnmower man?  i hope it was better than
sleepwalkers.

keep eyes peeled for 'split second', probably this summer, with rutger hauer as
a future hardass cop chasing something strange... and very bad.  i saw a review
and it looked like a good sci-fi flick up and coming.  if anyone sees a review
or preview, mention so.  thanks

shane s.
From: slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Unterhund)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Beastmaster ][
Date: 17 Apr 92 12:26:34 MDT
Organization: United Order of Non-joiners

In article <1992Apr15.183209.5474@vax.oxford.ac.uk>,
warda@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>> 
> Let me get this straight - they made a sequel to Beastmaster???!!!  (Shock, 
> incredulity).  I didn't think anyone but me liked that film, and even I'm
> vaguely ashamed of doing so.  It was so corny it was actually pretty good. 

     A nearly universally-panned film, as I recall.  I haven't seen it
myself, so I'm only reporting what I've read.

> The girl (Tanya something?) was gorgeous, but about as good at acting as Marc
                  ^^^^^^^^^^
                  Roberts.  Yes, great physical appearance. 
Ex-Charlie's Angel.  After Beastmaser, a Bond girl.  "View to a Kill." 
She can't act in that one, either.
-- 
Patrick S. Clark            | "Sugar and spice and brains on ice."
Internet:  slb3y@cc.usu.edu |  --me a couple days after a rather
Bitnet:    slb3y@usu        |    nasty GURPS game.  
Disclaimer:  Not a general slur, just a one-datum observation.
From: boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The fox so cunning and free)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Terminator, what book?
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:19:31 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <1992Apr10.032510.23169@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, sdt8s@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Stephen Daniel Tilson) writes...

} Regarding the Harlan Ellison angle, it's interesting to note that some
} versions of the T1 video have an extra final credit: "With acknowledgment
} to the works of Harlan Ellison."

Not "some" versions of the video. *All* versions.

} On one tape I saw years ago, this title had obviously been added after the
} other titles, as it was of a somewhat different typeface and "jiggled"
} (the best word I can think of to describe it) as it scrolled up the screen. 

} Maybe Harlan Ellison came close to taking action, but didn't follow
} through. Or maybe Hemdale or HBO Home Video realized they were opening
} themselves up to a messy legal situation. Does anyone know anything else
} about this?

Yes, I do. Ellison sued. Lawyers girdled for battle. Depositions were taken.
One was from a worker on the set who claimed he heard Cameron baldly state
that he got the idea for THE TERMINATOR from a couple of OUTER LIMITS
episodes. The studio lawyers had massive coronaries. They agreed to settle
out of court.

The settlement had a non-disclosure clause, so it was never revealed how
much Ellison was paid, but the part of the settlement that *is* known is
that all future (from that point, obviously) releases of the film would
contain the additional credit that you noted.

-- 

	"Buster, this trip downriver has been truly special.
	 Downright Twainian in a Hitchcockian sort of way."


--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)

    boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com
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From: dvlrab@cs.umu.se (Roger Abrahamsson)
Subject: Re: Highlander 1
Keywords: Was this a successful movie?
Organization: Dep. of Info.Proc, Umea Univ., Sweden
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:45:53 GMT

jaimiep@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (Jaimie Polson) writes:

>I was talking to a friend recently about Highlander. We both aggree that
>Highlander 2 is not so good, but I felt that Highlander 1 was very good. He,
>on the other hand said that it was a bomb, and that judging from earnings
>this could not be disputed.
>My question:
>How much did Highlander make, and what is this compared to some big,
>successful movies? Is the general consensus that Highlander 1 was successful
>or a flop?

Highlander 1 was most certainly not a flop, why would they do a sequel on
it otherwise. As for Higlander 2: SHIT,GARBAGE, I WISH I HADN'T SEEN IT!!!
But Highlander 1. Gosh... I think I'll go home now and see it for the
111th time.. 

>Jaimie

/Roger


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From: cleggp@aix.rpi.edu (Paul Jason Clegg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Star Wars canon stuff. Stop it please
Date: 12 Apr 92 15:49:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: rpi.kq7t+la
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY

In article <1992Apr12.101810.24285@en.ecn.purdue.edu> brown@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Anthony C Brown) writes:
>
>    Hey guys, I have a question that's been bothering me for many years.
>Why didn't Han Solo use a lightsaber.  He was a jedi knight after all.

Where did you come up with that silly idea?  It certainly isn't a canon source!
(chuckle).  Seriously though, he absolutely was NOT a Jedi.  He stated this
point explicitly in Star Wars.  He used Luke's old (blue) lightsaber once for
a short time in Empire, to slit open the Tauntaun on Hoth, but he obviously
didn't know how to use it correctly.

...Paul

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From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: Could Batman beat the T-1000?
Keywords: Buford, pass me that extra straightjacket
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 00:50:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.000948.19138@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@isis.cs.du.edu (andy) writes:
>
>Ob. sci-fi:
>Who would win:  Darth Vader or the alien guy in the Bugs Bunny cartoons?

Why, the Martian, of course!  He's got that disintergrating gun, after
all!



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From: scott@athena.mit.edu (Scott D Bradburn)
Subject: Re: Mistake at beginning of T2
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:29:58 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.202530.1687@vax1.mankato.msus.edu>, mscs057@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
|> You people don't even know what you are talking about. I have seen both movies
|> at least 20 times. In the first, Reese said that they would destroy the time
|> traveling machine after he went through but he does not know if it was
|> successful. Arnold was the Cyberdyne System 101!!!!!

Right CSM 101, Terminator series 800 therefore it is CSM 101 and also is a
T-800

I would expect the HK's have a CSM number too.  Probably the CSM number
is in reference to the general function of the device.  CSM 101 would refer to
all life-like infiltration devices.

|> 
|> In the second, Arnold said that it can assum living forms but can not assum
|> mechanical for it is a living form.

It is not living, it's pure metal.  It can assume living forms (that is shape)
but not complex mechanical devices because they're too detailed.  It turned
into a floor, and that's not organic.  It can form knives, and they aren't
organic.  Simple metal shapes are all it can do.  It can form into a very
realistic metal statue of a human, and can then, since it is liquid, it can
move while in that shape.  It could also do simple machines, like levers,
inclined planes, etc. but not complicated things like cars, guns, or bombs.

|> 
|> Uncle Bob - Cyberdyne System 101.


Scott
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From: napalm@next13pg2.wam.umd.edu (Warren L. Mohn)
Subject: Aliens similarities to Heinlein
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 06:17:36 GMT

bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
>gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...) writes:

>>They are using the term "bug hunt" in the sense of computers and other
>>electronics.  "Is this going to be a stand-up fight [battle], sir, or
>>another bug hunt [debugging]?"

>Greg, you gotta be kidding.  Do you think "bug hunt" was referring to
>electronics?  No way!!!
>
>I suggest you read R.A.Heinlein's "Starship Trooper".  
>That's what a bug hunt is: Hunting aliens.

Mr. Bole tagged this one exactly right.  There are a couple similarities  
to Robert A. Heinlein's "Starship Trooper" that I've noticed since I first  
saw "Aliens".  

1. USE OF THE TERM "BUG HUNT".

- *Anyone* who has read "Starship trooper" would immediately recognize  
this line from the book.  Another term in both book and film is the word  
"xenomorph", said alone I might think it was just a coincidence in two  
stories that concern aliens, but it is said in "Aliens" within 6 or 7  
seconds of "bug hunt" leading me to believe it is not a coincidence.

2.  THE SPACE MARINES.

- In 'trooper I believe they are called space infantry but the concept is  
very similar.  

3. HIGH-SPEED ATMOSPHERIC RE-ENTRY FOR INSERTION.

- In "Aliens" the space marines method of entering the area of concern is  
to drop from a mother ship in a geosynchronous orbit.  The drop ship burns  
through the atmosphere at a very high speed and is a rather rough ride for  
the marines.  In "Starship trooper"  they drop through the atmosphere from  
a mother ship at very high speed, except they are encased in personal  
pods.

4. FEMALE PILOT FOR THE DROP SHIP.

- The pilot for the drop ship in "Aliens" is a woman.  This could be just  
another way of Cameron showing us the equality in the space marine ranks  
(like heavy-gunner Vasquez, for example) but she is the the main pilot and  
the only one we see actually flying, (except for Bishop's emergency flight  
at the end, which normally he wouldn't be doing), hence 100% of the  
routine flying for the space marines is done by a woman.  In Starship  
Trooper, 100% of the flying is also done by women because of the better  
visual perception or calmness(something like that in the book), of  
females.

5.  GENERAL PLOT

- In 'trooper they hunt and battle the "bugs"(aliens) in hopes of finding  
the mother hive or den and then hope to destroy it.  Kind of like the  
story of "Aliens", huh? where they battle the aliens and Ripley destroys  
the den.

With Cameron's reputation of "borrowing" material, such as the Outland  
story "Demon with a glass hand" for the story of Terminator, the  
similarities to Heinlein's "Starship Trooper" start looking even more  
concrete. 

















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