Organization: Rohm and Haas Company
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:37:07 EST
From: <MAH76X@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Net worth

In article <1ik4d7INN8ah@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cp068@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(Joseph H. Back) says:
>
>One of these days you will all learn what a sad state the net is in.  There
>hasn't been two bytes of decent discussion on the net in over two years.

Thats subjective.  If you honestly feel that way, then you are certainly a
fool for hanging on.  But then again maybe you don't really read this group
and just read small portions of it posted in other places?  I don't know
exactly who you are Joe, but I have a good idea where you come from :-).  Why
is it that whenever the net as a whole touches on a certain subject (and I
won't point out what that subject is) you feel the need to come here and
grace us with your anonymous presence?

>Many of the good folks left the net last year, and none of you noticed,
>until they got caught.

Folks noticed.  I can remember reading posts about people wondering where the
other net.folks had gone.  As for your comment 'many of the good folks left'.
That too is subjective.  I think many of the large egos have certainly left
the net.  I think we have become better for that too.  When is the last time
we had to read a 500+ line review of the car somebody drove to a show, the
company the person went to the show with, the hotel the person stayed at, and
finally a long drawn out review of the show, breaking it down song by song
(of course telling us the better versions that person knows of each song
(yeah guys I've got all these tape, I'm in the know :-)).  I think those
'good folks' when they were here tried to set up some sort of political system
here placing themselves as being 'more important' than those of us who are
just the pions.  That may have been a mis-perception by me, thats quite
possible.  But the friends I've made here and spoken to here have then been
mis-preceiving it that way too :-).  At this point in time, the way I see the
net, my point of view is as important as yours, or Bob's, or John's, or Ralph's
We're all equal now!  There aren't those who think that you can't disagree
with them because they have done this in the past, or because their tape
collection is yeah big.

I think the net, now, is better than it ever has been!  I've made quite a few
friends out there, who I enjoy talking to and feel comfortable with!  I've met
a few folks from flamewars of the past were we have both had opposing views.
But after arguing the point, and listening to the other person, we find that
we do have some stuff in common :-).

If you think that the net is all that horrible and in such an indecent state,
why would you even bother posting here to tell us so?  What could your possible
 motives be from doing this?  If it is such a wasteland (as I've heard it
called before :-) why do you bother to be in our presence?  Do you think you
are going to be our Savior, and come here and show us what the net once was,
and then offer us suggestions on how to make it better?  I sure as hell
wouldn't take a suggestion from a person who is afraid to tell us your real
name.

>I don't know what makes me sicker, that or the worthless drivel that has
>been spewed out in this newsgroup for the last two years.

Well Joe, why would one read this newsgroup for 2 YEARS if it is nothing
but 'worthless drivel'.  I can not understand why you would read 2 years
worth of 'worthless drivel'.  I would imagine that if I read alt.flames for
2 years I would see nothing but 'worthless drivel'.  What, however, would
make me want to go into there, and post that?  I don't have any idea what
your motives are Joe.  Maybe you could give us a little insight as to what
your reasons are for putting us down here?  Maybe you could tell us all
what is to gain from your posting here.  Maybe you could tell us all who is
supposed to benefit from your posting here?  Do we, and if so how?  Or do
you, and of course how?

Joe Doheny