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From: todd@cleo.abt.com (Todd Nix)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Texas Centuries
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:21:55 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Alternative Broadcast Technology

In <1993Jan8.015543.15419@oakhill.sps.mot.com> mack@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Gregg Mack) writes:
>I have heard that Texas Bicyclist magazine, the one that has been 
>given away for free at nearly all of the bike shops, has gone out
>of business.  Is this true?  If so, how are you finding out the
>"when and where" of all the centuries in Texas this year?

I just called Bicycle Sports and they just got a stack of the January issue.
Apparently the December issue mentioned that they weren't going to be
around anymore. The details aren't in yet, but there is another issue.
Perhaps it got bought by someone? I do remember seeing a "For Sale" ad 
in one of the previous issues. They also put out California Bicyclist.

I hope they don't go away. I found some great rides this year through
their listings. Maybe we shouldn't take them for granted anymore and
send them some money. ;}

-- 
Todd Nix                                                           todd@abt.com
 Movement1981-1982Power,Corruption,andLiesLowLifeBrotherhoodSubstanceTechnique
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From: o.zechlin@link-njd.nbg.sub.org (Oliver Zechlin)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Highway #1, equipment?
Reply-To: o.zechlin@link-njd.nbg.sub.org
Date: 06 Jan 93 18:33:00 MET
Distribution: world
Organization: Mailboxsystem LINK-NJD, FRG
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I am still figuring out what to buy for my planned trip down Highway 1 from
Seattle to ?.  Are there any recommendations regarding camping-equipment,
like tents, sleeping-bags, Therm-a-Rests (which type is the best?), stoves
(which one would YOU recommend?  MSR WhisperLite, MSR X-GK II, or Coleman
Peak One?  money no object).

General advice, saftey, etc. ?

Thanks!  Oliver

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From: jackson@cc.und.ac.za (Clive Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Largest number of cyclists in a ride
Date: 11 Jan 93 07:12:32 GMT
Organization: University Of Natal (Durban)
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Hi all,

I'll be taking part in the Argus Cycle Tour in Cape Town, South Africa in 
March this year. The cut off for the maximum number of cyclists is 17500. I 
was wondering how this compares with similar mass rides in other countries.
I would be grateful for any replies.

Thanks,
Clive.
From: D5.JJC@forsythe.stanford.edu (Judy Colwell)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Highway #1, equipment?
Date: 10 Jan 1993 21:16:14 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <11629@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au>,
harold@cs.uq.oz.au (Andrew Wood) writes:
>In <1993Jan10.162809.17643@oakhill.sps.mot.com> mack@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Gregg Mack) writes:
>
>>o.zechlin@link-njd.nbg.sub.org (Oliver Zechlin) writes:
>
(some things deleted...)

>>>like tents, sleeping-bags, Therm-a-Rests (which type is the best?), stoves
>>>(which one would YOU recommend?  MSR WhisperLite, MSR X-GK II, or Coleman
>>>Peak One?  money no object).
>
>>Yes, I have some opinions on some of this stuff.  Buy the Therm-A-Rest
>>"Campo Rest" model.  It is the 2 inch thick model.  The couple of extra
>
>>For the stove, get the Coleman Peak 1 Multi-Fuel model.  Use it with
>
>I had to laugh when I read this because it is almost exactly the opposite
>of what I was going to post!
>I was going to recommend the light weight 3/4 length thermarest.
>
>For the stove -- I have an MSR Whisperlite Internationale (burns either
>white gas, or kero) that I have used for the past 3 or 4 years in all
>
>Sleeping bag? Well, I really like my down one! It is light, packs down
>small and is warm. Only thing with down is IT MUST BE DRY! Down maintains

Just to add my $0.02...  Having spent a couple summers doing three
week self-contained trips in the UK (read:  "rain"), I have some
thoughts for you as to what worked well for us.  The first trip I
used a 3/4 length thermorest, but it is pretty heavy (comparatively
speaking...and on a bike, every ounce counts!).  This year I
switched over to a RidgeRest which is nearly a pound lighter but I
found that my over 40 year old body survived just fine on the
RidgeRest.  It packed easily around the tent.

We used the MSR Whisperlite International - it's a great stove!!

And for a sleeping bag...the first trip I gave up my wonderful down
bag and bought a synthetic because of the potential rain problem.
Nothing got wet (double bagged it in a kitchen trash compactor
plastic bag which is a bit thicker than a regular plastic garbage
sack).  So this year I went back to my down bag...the weather was
MUCH wetter (rained daily and every night...Ireland) and stowed it
in my Madden pannier (by the way, these are fantastic panniers!!)
with pannier covers to provide water proofing.  The only time my
down bag got damp was when I slipped some plastic over the foot end
one night.  The dampness was due to condensation from my feet rather
than rain coming in the tent (North Face tent...another terrific
brand...water *never* came in, in spite of hellacious winds and
driving rain (the tent was the tadpole)).

Hope this helps!  Have fun-

Judy Colwell
d5.jjc@forsythe.stanford.edu
From: pershng@watson.ibm.com (John A. Pershing Jr.)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 09:36:47 EST
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject:  Dilemma

    Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:23:57 GMT
    From: Richard_Hennick@mindlink.bc.ca (Richard Hennick)
    I'd like to ask some advice on a matter of cycling etiquette [...].
    [...]
    Another cyclist was approaching on the wrong side of the road [...]

I used to carry a small stock of leaflets that I got from the League of
American Wheelmen that had a short summary of the rules of the road,
and explained, e.g., why bicyclists must ride on the correct side of
the road, flowing with the traffic.  When I would encounter a wrong-way
cyclist, I would stop in such a way that I could then stop the cyclist
(wrong-way cyclists are usually Very Cautious (read: paranoid), so it
is quite easy to flag them down) and proceed to deliver a quickie 30-
second mini-lecture on riding with traffic, and give them a leaflet.
In about a third of the cases, I also succeeded in recruiting the
cyclist into joining our bicycling club (I happened to be the
membership person :-), where I presume they learned to become
comfortable with the role of bicycle-as-vehicle.

      John Pershing                             pershng @ watson.ibm.com
      IBM Research, Yorktown Heights, NY        PERSHNG at YKTVMH.BITNET
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From: Richard_Hennick@mindlink.bc.ca (Richard Hennick)
Subject: Dilemma
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:23:57 GMT

I'd like to ask some advice on a matter of cycling etiquette, or perhaps
"street smarts" would be a better expression.

This afternoon I was heading home pulling my trailer (empty, as it happened).
That stretch of highway is four lanes, with a painted median, and the curb
side alternating between shoulder and curb/sidewalk.  Right now the road is
clean and dry, but there's plenty of snow banked up along the edges.

Another cyclist was approaching on the wrong side of the road.  In my mirror
I could see there was traffic coming up in both lanes behind me.

I didn't know which side the oncoming cyclist intended to pass, but I figured
he could see the traffic better than I could anyway, and had the more
manoeuvreable vehicle.  I stayed quite close to the curb, leaving about a
foot (or maybe less) between the nearside trailer wheel and the snowbank.  As
it turned out, that was where he passed me.  From the sound of it, he hit the
snowbank while passing my trailer, and it serves him right, as far as I'm
concerned.  I didn't hear a crash, so I didn't stop or look back, but I
certainly hope the expression on my face had told him something as he went
by.

Question: did I do the right thing?  Or should I have swerved out into the
traffic to give him more room, and risk being rear-ended?  Or should I have
stuck even closer to the curb, giving him the choice between a collision with
me or taking his chances with the oncoming traffic (he wasn't wearing a
helmet)?


--
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From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
Subject: Re: Bike paths (yeah paths! - warning: rambling comments)
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:21:55 GMT

kcary@pepvax.pepperdine.edu writes:

> In article <1992Dec31.025801.9135@slc.com>, you write:

> >It isn't the "competitive" cyclist for which paths fail, but the
> >"practical" cyclist. Bike paths just can't get you everywhere you may need 
> >to go, safety issues notwithstanding.

> REPLY TO MARK'S COMMENTS:
> What Mark says is true for most people; there is a current dearth of
> bikepaths. For myself, I commute to work on 'em. 

That's 'Marc'.

You seem to suggest that I am for more bike paths. I am not. I am for more 
wide roads, preferably with stripes and a team of street sweepers keeping 
pace just ahead of me.


> THE POINT:
> More paths mean more viable destinations; I want more money spent on this.
> Not that I'll use 'em, but there are more like me out there that will.

I don't much care who uses bike paths. I care a lot that cyclists have 
reasonably unlimited access to the same roads used by motors. I can't get 
to the grocery store, to the car repair shop, to my favorite restaurant, by 
using anybody's system of bike paths. I need to use the roads.

    Marc San Soucie
    Portland, Oregon
    marcs@slc.com
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Tuesday, 5 Jan 1993 14:06:06 PST
From: <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: Whatcha get for Christmas?
 <103723@netnews.upenn.edu> <8151@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM>

A "Uni-Cycle!", Now how the hell do you ride it?
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From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: Consumer product injury rates
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:27:18 GMT

In <schinder.726340986@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov> schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul J. Schinder) writes:

>In <19289@mindlink.bc.ca> Richard_Hennick@mindlink.bc.ca (Richard Hennick) writes:

>>I know this is the wrong group to be getting into such a discussion...
>>but shouldn't chainsaws be in there somewhere?

>The two most obvious omissions are automobiles and guns.  Anyone have
>any data as to where they would sit on this list?

Chains and saws  37,278
Trimmers & small power tools  12,150

Cars & guns aren't treated as consumer products, but there are
some stats in Vital Statistics.  These aren't from the same
source, so data may not be entirely comparable.

The following are deaths from accidents in 1989.

95,028 All accidents & adverse effects
46,586 Motor vehicle accidents -- traffic
   989 Motor vehicle accidents -- nontraffic
12,151 Accidental falls
 4,716 Fire & flames
 1,489 Firearms accidents
   702 Electric current

The death rate involving firearms is higher than this, of course,
but most firearms deaths aren't accidental.

The death rate (deaths per 100,000 population) from accidents and
violence varies by sex and race.

                       Wht.M   Wht.F      Blk.M   Blk.F
Total                   81.1    32.8      138.6    39.4
Motor vehicle accident  27.0    12.1       28.3     9.3
All other accident      24.5    12.7       37.0    15.0
Suicide                 21.4     5.2       12.2     2.4
Homicide                 8.2     2.8       61.1    12.9

The death rate from natural causes is about 867 for males of
either race, 826 for white females, and 714 for black females.

Firearms deaths come across primarily as a young, black, and/or 
male affliction.  Among black men 20-24, the rate is 119.2, vs. 
29.8 for white men the same age, 42.7 for black women 20-24, and 
18.2 for white women the same age.  
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From: quan@kpc.com (Steve Quan)
Subject: Re: How old is your Peaugeot?
Keywords: Peugeot bicycle
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Inc, Santa Clara, CA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:39:19 GMT

In article <kasdorf.726466504@honte> kasdorf@alpha.uleth.ca (Matthew Kasdorf) writes:
>Oops!  Think I spelled it wrong!  I own a Peugeot 10 speed that is at
>least 20 years old....known as a 'super light weight'.  I really enjoy
>riding and maintaining this machine.  Would like some info about Peugeot
>bikes and their maintenance.....history, etc.
>
>-- Mark Swanson on a friend's account.
>

	well in the early 70's the top of the line Peugeot was a PX-10,
	it was made with double butted Reynolds 531, it had Simplex
	dropouts and that might help you identify your frame.
	
	I have one :^) if you opt to upgrade your equipment I suggest 
	tapping out the bottom bracket to accept english threaded cranks.

	If I remember correctly the bikes of the day ranged from

	22 lbs - PX-10, a white simplex dereiller, stronglight cranks,
		 mavic comp brakes
	24 lbs - straight guage reynolds, main tubes
	26 lbs - something
	28 lbs - steel frame, red simplex, cottered cranks, mavic racer brakes.

	enjoy!
	steve (on steve's account)
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From: "Michael Smith" <p00004@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Consumer product injury rates
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:12:21 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3)

>DATE:   12 Jan 1993 19:16:59 GMT
>FROM:   Chris Moll <chris@carnival.lbl.gov>
>Michael Smith writes:
>>300k plus from *bedding*? How, how, how?
>
>Well, I do know a women who herniated a disk flipping her mattress.
>I suppose you could strangle in the sheets.  It's really hard to imagine
>how you could hurt yourself with a pillow, though.
>--

I have to admit, now that I think of it, that I once did pull a muscle 
rather badly, reaching for a martini glass on a high shelf. Presumably 
this went into the "glassware" category of the consumer product danger 
index. 

--Michael Smith

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
From: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Subject: Re: Dilemma
Reply-To: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:46:15 GMT

Richard Hennick writes

> Question: did I do the right thing?  Or should I have swerved out
> into the traffic to give him more room, and risk being rear-ended?
> Or should I have stuck even closer to the curb, giving him the
> choice between a collision with me or taking his chances with the
> oncoming traffic (he wasn't wearing a helmet)?

You definitely should *not* have swerved out into traffic.  It
sounds like you ended up with what was the best solution.  I
personally also would have added, in a loud, gruff voice, "ride
*with* traffic, please".

If riding against traffic is illegal in B.C., that phrase could
have been "ride legally, please".  (Ideally, one would want to say
"riding against traffic is illegal", but that is impractical to
say in the short "within earshot" time.)  If riding against traffic
isn't illegal yet, you have something to fight for.

Personally, I get really pissed off at so-called cyclists who ride
in the wrong direction.  They put real cyclists in more danger than
a left turn in Denmark.

--
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Adobe Systems Incorporated               These are *my* opinions, and  
1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900        do not necessarily reflect
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From: shari@modcomp.uucp (Shari Bernhard)
Subject: Re: Whatcha get for Christmas?
Organization: MODCOMP, an AEG company
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 13:47:45 GMT

I got Pearl Isumi shorts and socks, and some Cannondale shorts.  I got
my husband Jeff a Cannondale shorts and jersey set, and shorts which
match his CCCP collector's item jersey.  Also gave him a book, "The
Science of Cycling".  I forget the author's name, but got the idea from
a post in this group.  We got a couple of other books from a friend.

This was fun!  Happy New Year everyone.


Shari Bernhard                  *** Built for comfort, not for speed ***
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: Whatcha get for Christmas?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 14:02:16 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu


   A Rhode Gear rear-view mirror, and a Cateye cyclometer.  Finally,
after ~23 years of semi-serious riding (my hometown has a velodrome),
I can clock myself!
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
Disclaimer: Involuntary vocalization may occur.
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From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
Subject: Re: Drawing lines
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:16:51 GMT

Frank Krygowski (ae505@yfn.ysu.edu) writes:

> I agree precisely with Howard Gerber.

> Marc San Soucie wrote:

> "Trash should be swept off the road by the local road crew.  You 
> can help make that happen by persistently reporting dirty bicycle
> lanes and shoulders, and getting your cycling friends to do the 
> same."

> Impractical.  My experience (or rather, our experience ... there
> are several of us) is that we have to choose carefully which issues
> we are to complain about.

Agreed.


> Likewise, they won't stripe off a bike lane on most roads. Here,
> the number of cyclists is too small to justify the expense.

Yes, but in rural areas I have no problem sharing a narrow road with
motors, since the frequency of encounter is low, and the safety in passing
is high. It is in more densely packed areas that it becomes an issue, and
in those areas there are other reasons to provide shoulders, such as for
cars to (carefully) pass left-turning cars, and for pedestrians to be able
to get around.


> (In fact, if I polled our area cyclists and asked if they'd rather
> have county road money spent on striping/sweeping or on paving
> rough roads ... well, I KNOW what my cycling friends would say!
> I've heard them compain about potholes, but never about a lack
> of a striped lane!)

Agreed, but the potholes tend to be fixed for the benefit of cars as well. 
I'd still push for width myself, striped or not.


> I must admit, though: there's a chance that if we had bike lanes 
> everywhere, some more folks would try riding to work or the stores.
> I don't believe they'd be safer, but they'd think they were.

Aye, here's the issue. So many people with so many bicycles never ride at 
all! What structural amenities must be in place before a significant 
fraction of these people will emerge from the shells and get out on their 
bikes? I suspect striped shoulders/lanes, at a minimum.

There is also the matter of driver intolerance. Wide lane or not, many 
drivers think bicycles do not belong on the roadway. Off on a striped 
shoulder or bike lane is fine. Ride on the black and the horn's a-honking.
It only really bothers me when it's persistent, but yipes, it gets tiring.


> What are things like in Oregon, Marc?  Do you have separate lanes
> everywhere?  I've not been there since 1970.

No, only in the larger urbanish areas, and only occasionally there. Most
roads out where I live are still rural, or rural-with-new-development,
which is the most insidious of all. We desperately need width on most of
our roads.

    Marc San Soucie
    Portland, Oregon
    marcs@slc.com
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From: jeff@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Jeff McAffer)
Subject: Re: Consumer product injury rates
    <schinder.726340986@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov> 
    <1993Jan6.212718.4826@Happy-Man.com>
Reply-To: jeff@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp
Organization: University of Tokyo / Object Technology International
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 08:17:00 GMT
X-Bytes: 163

This sounds like a great book.  Where can I get one of these?  

You know what they say, truth is stranger than fiction.

--
ato de, |m        -- Death by stereo!
From: dps@delhi.esd.sgi.com (D.P. Suresh)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.ride
Subject: On nicities of bicycling.
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:43:07 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

Just this new year I made the holy (non-polluting) decision to commute
by bicycle to my work place. And keeping up with the decision (with utmost
difficulty) I bicycled to my work place On monday 4th 1993.
It was not a pleasant one.

I would prefer to take some general advice, if any, on

        * How to commute with bicycle
	* Getting back home at night.

I would appreciate if any of you mail this to me. Whats esp difficult
are the signals. The DMV rule (blue) book says that a bicycle is no
different from any other vehicle on road. But I see lots of difference.
For instance, changing from the bike lane that is on the right most
end of the road to the left most end to accomodate a left turn as
easily as a car.

D.P.Suresh
dps@esd.sgi.com

        YOU CAN BE HAPPY THAT YOU HAVE DONE A GOOD DEED :
                Keep another sole from polluting mother earth.
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From: jciccare@adobe.com (John Ciccarelli)
Subject: Re: On nicities of bicycling.
Summary: Kudos for *starting* a bike commute in dark, rain, cold
Reply-To: jciccare@adobe.com (John Ciccarelli)
Organization: Adobe Systems, Mountain View, CA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:58:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.180400.23415@ncar.ucar.edu> ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern) writes:
>
>In article <uf9eu3g@zola.esd.sgi.com>, dps@delhi.esd.sgi.com (D.P. Suresh) writes:
>
>> Just this new year I made the holy (non-polluting) decision to commute
>> by bicycle to my work place. And keeping up with the decision (with utmost
>> difficulty) I bicycled to my work place On monday 4th 1993.
>> It was not a pleasant one.
>
>May I make a suggestion, not intended to be derogatory?  If you really
>hate riding, find another way to commute in an environmentally friendly
>manner.  Carpool or take the bus.  Don't make yourself miserable.  I
>hope that you discover that commuting by bicycle can be fun, a time-saver
>(combining work-out and work), and earth-friendly as well!
>
>Ilana (who commuted by bike today, too)

I don't think D.P. hates riding per se.  I work just around the corner 
from him, and can testify that it was rainy, fairly cold, and of course 
dark that evening.  Most local folks I know got into bike commuting 
during the dry, warm, and daylight that prevail 8 months a year around 
here (SF Bay Area).  So I'd like to congratulate D.P. for *starting* 
in what's arguably the toughest season.  I'm sure we experienced 
commuters can quickly help him up the learning curve regarding street 
maneuvers, clothing and equipment -- that's what's great about the net.

-- 
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