From: stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: Nazism and Socialism (was: LaRouche is a fucking Nazi!)
Summary: National Socialism is not a misnomer.
Keywords: Socialism
Date: 21 Nov 92 21:55:04 GMT
Reply-To: stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce)
Organization: Handmade Designs, Salem, OR, USA

In article <13NOV199222300153@reg.triumf.ca> orwell@reg.triumf.ca
(BALDEN, RON) writes:
<In article <1116@bug.UUCP>, stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce) writes...
<>In article <1992Oct28.195121.9455@vexcel.com> dean@vexcel.com
<>(Dean Alaska) writes:
<>>Note that the party of Adolf Hitler was a fascist party that had the
<>>word "socialist" in its name. 
<> 
<>And correctly so.  Nazism was a form of socialism.  Most or at least many
<>of the important industries were nationalized under the Nazis.
<
<This is quite wrong;

No, it is indisputably correct.  And many prominent socialists of the day
(before the war) had no problem admitting this and approving of *some* of
Hitler's actions, although certainly not all of them, nor necessarily his
reasons for doing them.  You can read about this in, "The Road to Serfdom",
by F. A. Hayek.

<if Steven Fordyce wants to attack socialism then he should do so directly
<without resorting to utterly disreputable smear tactics.

I wasn't commenting on socialism with that post.  Is the truth an attack on
socialism?

...
<One of the first things Hitler did upon coming to power was to smash the
<German trade unions.

So?  That doesn't mean National Socialism wasn't a form of Socialism, just
that its goals were different than the ones you have.

<If Steven Fordyce thinks this represents socialism, then perhaps he would
<also accept the definition of a guillotine as a headache cure.

Death does stop headackes.  That doesn't mean I think it is an acceptable
cure, or that all forms of socialism are equivalent, that Swedism Socialism
is no better than Nazism.  I don't think that, and I certainly didn't say
it.

I don't think your problem is so much with me, Ron, as it is with the
truth.  You seem to gauge truth by how it reflects (in your mind) on
socialism.  Saying that National Socialism is a form of socialism, is no
more an attack on other forms of socialism, than saying Hitler was a human
being is an attack on you (or me).  It is simply the truth in both cases.

<BTW, as long as we're discussing Nazis, does Steven Fordyce know who
<Reinhard Gehlen was, and how he ended up as founding chief of West
<Germany's secret service? Does he know the connection between Werner Von
<Braun, Nordhausen (*not* Peenemunde), and the Dora concentration camp? 
<Perhaps he would care to explain to me how Von Braun and his happy crew
<(including V-2 rocket project head German General Walter Dornberger)
<ended their careers at the very apex of the U.S. military-industrial
<complex.

Because they were the world's formost experts on rocket science?  Perhaps
you could explain what any of this has to do with the subject?  Is it your
effort to smear capitalism as you think I have socialism (even though this
has nothing to do with either)?
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orstcs!opac!bug!stevef          I am the NRA              Steven R. Fordyce
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