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From: uzun@crash.cts.com (Roger Uzun)
Subject: Mac LC II and 16 bit video
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:05:54 PDT

Does one need any special monitor to run the 16 bit/pixel mode
on a VRAM expanded mac LC II?  Can a regular IBm VGA monitor
display this mode?  Is it in 512X340 resolution only?
Can one get a 640X480X8 bit/pixel mode using a VGA monitor
and a VRAM expanded LC II.

Please answer by email if possible.

-Roger
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From: jfw@neuro.duke.edu (John F. Whitehead)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: QUADRA 700 FOR SALE
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:36:05 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Sep28.221217.2245@merrimack.edu> ouellettemj@merrimack.edu 
writes:
>I would like to sell my Quadra 700 system 
>It consists of the following:
>
>Quadra 700 CPU,80 meg Hard Drive,4 meg RAM (8 available if needed)
>Apple 13" High-Res Monitor,Apple Extened Keyboard,Apple Mouse
>System 7.0 software with updator
>
>I'm asking $4,800 or best offer and I'll wait 
>until December to sell.  Will ship COD if needed

I just wanted point out that your asking price is quite high.
(I know you said "best offer", but your suggested price indicates
you are overestimating the value of your equipment.)

Looking at the current educational price list, for $4139 plus tax
I could get everything you have offered plus a QuickTime, Adobe
Premiere, Aldus Persuasion, and a SuperMac Video Spigot card.

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From: segall@blaze.rutgers.edu (Ed Segall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Accelerator card for Mac SE
Date: 26 Sep 92 22:00:17 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
To: jchin@prodigy.bc.ca

Novy sells the Quick30 for about $500.  It allows up to 16MB, but you
need to use Virtual 3.0 to get beyond 4MB (check to see if it's
bundled with the accelerator).  Otherwise, it's about $100 or maybe a
bit less.

I believe it allows you to connect other SE cards, so check with Novy
for compatibility with your favorite SE ethernet card.  Also, I
believe Mirror has an ethernet/accelerator card, but their
accelerators are slower.

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Subject: Apple 13" Monitor Recall??
From: jtarr@husc8.harvard.edu (Jeff Tarr)
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:46:01 GMT
Summary: What are details of 13" recall?

I read some message that implied that some Apple 13" monitors have been
recalled.  Can someone please tell me the details?

Thanks.

Jeff Tarr
Harvard University
jtarr@husc8.harvard.edu

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From: tsirbasc@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Tsirbas Christos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Let's talk Performas, Boys and Girls
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:47:48 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In response to my post, Brian writes:

>Secondly, the Performa has Mono sound (it basically has the same sound
>chip as the LCs), I doubt very much that the IIVX will have mono sound.
 
    Yup, mono input, and stereo output, just like all the other Macs
that have built in sound out.

___________________________

Well, Brian, the Classic II, LC and LC II all have sound-in, sound out capacity
and all these machines are mono-in, mono-out.  If the Performa 600CD has stereo
out ports, then these are for sounds recorded on CD-rom and traditional CD's
According to Byte magazine, november issue, the Performa 600 has the same
sound chip as the LC and LC II thus, mono sound.

'Nuff said
Chris Tsirbas
tsirbasc@brise.ere.umontreal.ca
From: bx341@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert E. Winston)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: New Mac Price Cuts
Date: 28 Sep 1992 17:23:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


              Apple Cuts Macintosh Prices
    Apple Computer says Monday it is slashing US prices on
 Macintosh personal computers and accessories by 11%-36% in
 a bid to bolster its market position.
    The company, whose PCs have been most successful in the
 education market, says the cuts include its high-end Quadra
 line as well as most Macintosh models.
    "This year, Apple has seen solid gains in market share,
 unit share and overall revenue growth while many of our
 competitors have struggled to maintain their position," says
 Bob Puette, president of the company's Apple USA division.
    Apple cut prices 11% on the Quadra 950 model to $8169
 from $9199. The computer, Apple's most powerful PC, is
 targeted for the corporate market.
    The suggested price of the Macintosh Classic II, Apple's
 low-end PC for consumers, fell 36% to $1079 from $1699.
    The company also said its Apple USA division authorized
 Merisel Inc and Tech Data Corp to distribute selected
 software products.
    Beginning in October the 2 companies will distribute
 8 Apple software products. Terms weren't disclosed.
    "We intend to continue our offensive posture by
 attracting new customers through aggressive pricing,
 excellent products and unmatched value," Puette says.
    Apple's move follows the adoption of aggressive new
 pricing and distribution strategies on PCs and PC products
 by other major computer companies, including IBM.
    Increased competition in a PC market already swept by a
 price war has raised worries among some computer industry
 analysts about the ultimate impact on the bottom line of big
 computer makers.

(Stolen from this morning's news wires) (Sosumi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: aleskine@niksula.hut.fi (Arto Leskinen)
Subject: Laser Ten -> Script Ten
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:51:54

Is it possible to update Qume Laser ten ptinter to Script ten. 
I would like to have Appletalk connection and Post script.

Thanks!

Arto Leskinen
aleskine@cs.hut.fi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: straka@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (richard.j.straka)
Subject: Re: Let's talk Performas, Boys and Girls
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:18:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.202620.29122@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> hades@Dartmouth.Edu writes:
>tsirbasc@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Tsirbas Christos) writes:
>
>>Having to buy an extra video card to drive a page monitor kind of
>>defeats the purpose and intent of 'a low-cost Mac'. 
>
>>Let's face it, with a $250 dollar investment for a cache card with FPU
>>for my IIsi, I would still have of Performa 600% speed.  If I were to
>>add a full page monitor to the Performa, I would only be one-slot up
>>from the IIsi, and have paid an extra $400 bucks fora single slot, in my
>>opinion, this is not worth it.
>    Yes, you could get a cache card and an fpu for your IIsi, but then
>you would not be able to expand it any further than that because you
>would have used up your only slot, but you would still be a good deal
>slower than a P600, about 1/2 the speed.

Let's get this one out on the table, as I've seen a *lot* of conflicting
reports on this one:

IIsi: 20 MHz 030, no cache
P600: 32 MHz 030, no cache possible (only an accelerator)
IIci: 25 MHz 030, cache

Now, *I* thought that the P600 would probably be on an even keel with a IIci
(not counting FPU, which is a spearate issue), but then MacWorld did some
performance tests with a 7.1beta, and reported only a 60-80% performance
level of a IIci!

By this data point, the P600 can't be *that* much faster
than a IIsi (let's not include the issue of the shared video RAM for
simplicity, since we can avoid that by the use of a separate monitor card).

Can anyone shed some insightful analysis on the relative CPU performance
of these three models?

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From: redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie (Judge Raz)
Subject: Re: New Mac Price Cuts
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 10:42:21 GMT

In <1a7t3nINNhn6@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu> shu@uicadh.csl.uiuc.edu (Tzi-Hsiung Shu) writes:

>This surely is a good news for a student like me in the
>market for a MAC. :)

>Anyone care to comment how long it will take for the price cut
>to be reflected in the asking prices of Apple dealers?

Well the local AppleCentre started a sale yesterday. Surely more than
coincidence. All those businessmen buying Macs thinking they're getting
a bargain only to find out that they're actually paying the new price.

Judge Raz
From: gt7391a@prism.gatech.EDU (PREMINGER,JOHN)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Powerbook Carrying Cases
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:43:12 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Within the last week or so, someone posted a very good summary of
carrying cases for the Powerbooks, mainly for the 100, as I recall.

I've misplaced my copy of the posting, though, so it would be much
appreciated if that person would e-mail his findings to me, or post
them again for the benefit of those that missed it the first time
around.

Thanks.

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From: das@eplunix.UUCP (David Steffens)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: How to switch on computer system?
Date: 27 Sep 92 22:27:21 GMT
Organization: Eaton-Peabody Lab, Boston, MA

One thing no one has yet mentioned on this topic...
All power switches have a finite lifetime, and will eventually fail.
Which is cheaper... buying a new power box when its power switch
goes bad... or taking your computer, printer or what-have-you
to the shop for a replacement power switch?  Leave the equipment
power switches ON and use a power box or power controller!
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From: ns111310@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (The BLaCKSMiTHE)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Apple 21" grey-scale monitor ***FOR SALE***
Date: 27 Sep 92 22:39:52 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College


I have a Apple 21" (yes, twenty-one-inch) greyscale monitor for sale.

It comes with a NuBus card, which has the RAM expanded, so it displays
in 4-bit grey (16 shades)... I believe it is a Phillips tube, and it
it VERY clear and VERY sharp, no distortions anywhere on the screen,
and the whites are very white...  I have all the original boxes and 
manuals and everything.  I am only getting rid of it because I have
purchased a NeXT, and need to sell this monitor.  The cable is very
long (about 1.5 meters) and it comes with the power and video cables.

This is a perfect solution for CAD and DTP, as it easily has room
for 2 side-by-side pages, PLUS room for tool-pallets, etc...  It has
a resolution of 1152 x 880 pixels, which is 72 dpi (Macintosh WYSIWYG)
the horizontal and vertical sizes are 15in (horizontal) and 12in
(vertical)... it is VERY spaceous... and the redraw is quite fast aswell,
even on a IIcx that I was running it off of.

I am asking $1,200 for the monitor, card, and cables...  I am flexable on
this, so make me an offer (by email please)....

								-Nate Sammons


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: "mike walker" <mike.walker@canrem.com>
Subject: abaton color scanner?
Reply-To: "mike walker" <mike.walker@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 27 Sep 92 02:44:15 EST


Hi all; I am thinking about getting an Abaton 300 Color flatbed
scanner. It comes with Adobe Photoshop, and I will use it with an LC
II & a H-P Colour DeskWriter C. Any comments or suggestions? Is this a
good match? If there are significant suggestions I will post a summary.
Thanx in advance . . . Mike
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: mmartin@dante.nmsu.edu (Marilyn Martin)
Subject: Video Spigot/Sound
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:36:51 GMT

I am considering purchasing a Video Spigot board for my Quadra.

I borrowed a Spigot to prepare a presentation and was thrilled
by the results EXCEPT the sound. I used the built in sound input 
on the Quadra to record sound off my camcorder. The result was
very distorted - I did turn down the volume in the control panel 
but even at 11 mhz, voices were muddy.

I also recorded music off one of those CDs that our TV had purchases
(so it was legal). It was OK unless the music volume rose at which  
point it totally distorted out.

Question: Is there someone hardware or software that I could use to 
          improve sound quality? An equalizer? How much will this cost?

          Is Premiere 2.0 bundled with the Spigot?

Thanks in advance
Marilyn

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: lsr@taligent.com (Larry Rosenstein)
Subject: Re: Performas, LCII's and questions!
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: Taligent, Inc.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:43:49 GMT

In article <1aqgodINN43t@agate.berkeley.edu>,
daver@sunspot.ssl.berkeley.edu (David Ray) wrote:
> 
> >What are you talking about in respect to 32-bit clean? The LCII
> >has always been a 32-bit clean machine.
> 
> I think he is referring to the fact that in 32 bit mode, the LCII runs at
> 1/2 the clock speed to handle 32 bit data on the 16 bit bus. It will
> run 32-bit mode (this is referred to as "32-bit clean") but it does so at
> 1/2 the speed.

24- vs. 32-bit addressing has not bearing on this.  That refers to the
number of address bits.  The 16 bit bus refers to the number of data bits.

> >>How far apart is this Mac from other Macs - if I bought, say a Performa
> >>600, will there be any 'gotchas' with respect to my machine and Dad's
> >>machine sharing data and/or applications?
> 
> To see a list of "gotchas" read the latest "vaporware" article telling
> Apple's (rumored) long-term plans for their computers in the next 2 years.

The original question was about sharing files and there should be no
problems in that respect just because the computer is in the Performa line.

> I don't think you can escape the "gotcha" mentality of Apple. I own an LCII
> and I'm loving it- and hating it. My advice is, buy a computer whan you know
> you are going to get a lot of use out of it. No matter when you buy one, 
> Apple will come out with better computers just months later and make you think

That's a fact of life in the computer industry.  What's Apple's
alternative?  Don't introduce any new computers?

 I think he's referring to discontinued models. Apple generally stops
> providing support for discontinued models regardless of when they were

I think Apple will continue to service and support a discontinued computer
for several years.  If it breaks there should be no problem getting it
fixed.

> The things that I don't like are 1)Apple discontinuing support for their
> older products and 2)their pricing strategy. Somebody with an SE from 3 years
> ago ought to be able to get the same service and support as somebody with

I think they do.

Larry Rosenstein
Taligent, Inc.

lsr@taligent.com
From: stan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Stan Twiefel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: ** Hard drive in Classic II mounted UPSIDE-DOWN?!? **
Keywords: Mac, Classic, Hard drive
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:38:06 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Sep28.165041.16380@ultb.isc.rit.edu> clf3678@ultb.isc.rit.edu (C.L. Freemesser) writes:
>Last night, I get up the courage to open up my Classic II and take a
>look inside.
>
>Imagine my astonishment when I find that the 40MB hard drive in my
>Classic II is actually mounted UPSIDE-DOWN!
>
think about this.  Hard drives have heads on both sides of the platters.. 
like this:

  --------|
         \|/
=================
         /|\
  --------|


so why should it matter which side is up?  
i've been told that the only orientation that is bad is mounting the drive
on one of its ends.... 
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From: data@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Ram Laska)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: P600 and 24bit color
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:03:21 GMT
Reply-To: data@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Ram Laska)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: data@bashful.cc.utexas.edu

I was wondering if a Performa 600 loaded up with the
maximum amount of VRAM running a 12" (512x384) monitor
could get up to 24 bit color. Please respond by e-mail.
________________________________________________________
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: harry@DIALix.oz.au (Harry Werkman)
Subject: Interface Adaptec 4000A and ST506 drive
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 12:55:59 GMT
Keywords: Adaptec 4000A ST506


I have an Adaptec 4000A and MAXTOR 60Mb ST-506 drive.    
What software drivers and formating software are required to get this  
combination working on my Macintosh LC?
 

Thanks in anticipation.
From: oueichek@imag.fr (Ibaa Oueichek)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Fuji, Connor, Quantum, which drive is better?
Date: 26 Sep 92 21:41:01 GMT
Organization: IMAG Institute, University of Grenoble, France
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Paul Siu (upsiu@KING.MCS.DREXEL.EDU) wrote:
: 
: I have been looking into getting a large hard disk (300-500) range.  The
: three drive that come to mind were the Fujitsu M2624 series of drives, the
: Connor 540 meg, and the Quantums pro 425.
: 
: I got specs from each drive manufacturers.  The seek times for each is pretty
: much the same.  Quantum claimed that their drive can handled a disk transfer
: speed of 4 Mb maximum (I suspect that this is really a burst mode rating,
: actual transfer will probably less).  Connor claimed a sustain 2.5 Mb/sec.
: Fujitsu claimed about 3 Mb.
: 
: Does anyone have experience with each of these drives?  Which one is better?
  I've seen Fujitus's on Next's. They are quite fast, but they tend to be a
little hot. I think they have the best warranty among other drives, and you
should be able to have a Fujitsu 520Mb for the same price (maybe less) of the
QPro425.
: 
: Thanks
: 
: Paul Siu                upsiu@mcs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: mvivino@helix.nih.gov (Mark A Vivino)
Subject: Internal HD to external, SCSI ID wire?
Organization: National Institutes of Health
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 12:48:04 GMT

I have several internal drives that I'm putting in different external drive
cases. These are both older Apple drives. One is a 80 Mb Quantum, the other
is an 160 Mb Imprimis. The only confusion is which pins take the SCSI ID
wires.The Quantum shows two rows of 8 pins for ID selection. The Imprimis
shows two rows of four pins. The external drive case has two rows of three
female.

Any ideas?

Thanks
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: P600 and 24bit color
From: stanger@otago.ac.nz (Nigel Stanger)
Date: 4 Oct 92 13:42:16 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

data@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Ram Laska) writes:
> I was wondering if a Performa 600 loaded up with the
> maximum amount of VRAM running a 12" (512x384) monitor
> could get up to 24 bit color. Please respond by e-mail.

I can't remember how much VRAM you can stuff in a 600, but if you
can get a meg of it in there, you're made: 512x384x24 = 576K.

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From: deane@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Kimo Kanaka De`ane)
Subject: Re: Do you think a Color Pivot/LE will work with a PB 160?
Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:37:24 GMT

In article <38708@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> stine@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Blaine Stine) writes:
>Well the subject about says it. I know that nobody has their 
>hands on a PB 160 yet but it seems like it would be a great
>match if it works!
>
>Blaine Stine
>stine@jeeves.ucsd.edu

	The new powerbooks should be similar enough to the old ones to use
the Radius PowerView box. Mail order prices seem to be around $500. It
allows a PB to drive "any external monitor."

	I have not used it; only seen it in adds. 

	Kimo

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: sandrov@vxcrna.cern.ch (VENTURA,SAND./EP)
Subject: DAT : Backup & Music?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:50:00 GMT

Just wondering...

Anybody knows about DAT devices which could be used both as a tape backup system
and as an HiFi audio component (of course not simultaneously...) ? 
It could be more tempting as an investment for upgrading the home equipment.

Sandro --
From: sjmz@otter.hpl.hp.com (Stefek Zaba)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 14:05:39 GMT
Subject: Re: Tape Backups
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.