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From: prestonm@cs.man.ac.uk (Martin Preston)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.ads,comp.graphics,comp.graphics.animation,comp.sys.amiga.graphics,alt.graphics.pixutils,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Your one stop GRAPHICS shop!
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:24:21 GMT
Followup-To: alt.bbs.ads

This is all a bit pedantic, so unless anyones got anything better to do
press n now! :-)

In <1ih060INNc8m@cc.tut.fi> jk87377@cc.tut.fi (Kouhia Juhana) writes:

>No, it is a bug in design.
>I saved a jpeg image with it, and never got the note that xv saved
>only the quantized image, instead of the 24bit version.

Well xv has a lot of processing to do in order to JPEG something (that is
use JPEG compression on an image). In order to use JPEG it is sensible to
store the image in a buffer, perform the compression on the data held there
and write it out. Consequently as xv only possesses an 8-bit buffer, it has
to compress a quantized image.

I agree it would be nice if xv sort of held a collection of "image
operations" seperately, which could then be applied to the original,
un-quantized, image file when the user wishes to write it out in another
format. Sadly it doesn't.

>JPEG is roughly standard for the compressing still images.
>Thus it is image format.

The Joint-Photographic Experts Group (JPEG) wanted to create a joint
ISO/CCITT standard for compression. What they produced was a "toolkit" of
image compression methods, both lossy and lossless. The idea is that the
different techniques would be used where they were best required. 

Since then .jpg files have begun to appear, which use compression methods
designed by the JPEG group. 

My original point was that JPEG is a suite of compression methods first,
and a file format second. Consequently other image formats can use JPEG
compression techniques, but that doesn't necesarily make it a JPEG file. 

The reason i said this was because the quality of .jpg images was being
criticised as being in some way inferior to GIFs in certain situations,
where really its not that the "file format" is inferior, just that the
software that used it either used the wrong technique (lossy compression
perhaps) or did it badly.

I don't remember disputing that GIF was a file format, it is. Maybe i was
having a brain storm at the time :-)

Does that explain why i wanted to mention what JPEG actually is any clearer?

No well perhaps not! 

Martin

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From: bobl@bobsbox.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdmin)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.ads,comp.graphics,comp.graphics.animation,comp.sys.amiga.graphics,alt.graphics.pixutils,comp.sys.ibmpc.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Your one stop GRAPHICS shop!
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:48:14 GMT
Organization: Raven Enterprises -- Piscataway, NJ USA
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <C0CqCJ.A3z@avalon.nwc.navy.mil> dejesus@saturn.nwc.navy.mil (Francisco X DeJesus) writes:
> In article <Ad-Robot.aokv@bobsbox.rent.com> Ad-Robot@bobsbox.rent.com (Robotic Posting Menace) writes:
> >
> >                           -=* ANNOUNCING *=-
> >
> >                       T H E  G R A P H I C S  B B S
>
> [... long list of nice features deleted ...]
>
> >
> >   The Graphics BBS currently runs on an IBM AT at 8mHz with 4 meg of
>
> Yikes! Is that one over-taxed machine or what?
>
> --
>       Francisco X DeJesus  ----- S A I C -----  dejesus@chinalake.navy.mil
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>   * disclaimer: Opinions expressed here are mine. Typos and errors are yours *
>  "Duck Season!" "Rabbit Season!" "...rabbit season." "It's Duck Season! SHOOT!"

Well, I plan on upgrading very soon but it's not really overtaxed.  It
is currently a single line system and it cooks right along for what it
is.  In fact, I've had several people login and say they thought they
were on a 386 or a 486 system!  I have a very fast controller and fast
drives so the system moves along quite nicely.

I hope to upgrade to a multiline system by the first quarter of the year
along with at least a few hundred more megs of 3D files available as
well.  I have alot of objects and images on floppies now that I just
don't have HD space for.  Of course I could always remove those GIF
images to make more room for 3D...does anyone think this is a good idea?
Do people use GIF images anymore?  I have gone to JPEG myself with
important 24bit images saved at 100% boosted quality settings.

--
 Bob Lindabury

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From: klaus@cscns.com (Klaus Dimmler)
Subject: Re: SOME ONE TELL mE
Organization: Community_News_Service
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 13:31:10 GMT

Paul Williams [SysOp] (thantos@runic.via.mind.org) wrote:
: ms496s553@sycom.mi.org (Mark Foren) writes:

: > I called this local Board that was listed in a MAGAZINE and it supposedly has
: > ELITE-Net ...and some sorta 0 day Files or Sumtin...Hmm Has anyone come 
: > accross this system...It listed on in Tennesse xxx-xxx-xxxx that was down so
: > called the Other one xxx-xxx-xxxx...

:   Has anyone ever told you you're well and truly a stupid fuck?  I just
:   thought I'd pass that along.

I am missing something.. What caused such a strong reaction to this
message? Is there something going on behind the lines? Perhaps the problem
is that I do not know what an "ELITE-Net" is. I am curious.. Can anyone
shed some light on this for me?

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From: jmccorm@a.cs.okstate.edu (MCCORMICK JOSHUA C)
Subject: Re: Your one stop GRAPHICS shop!
Organization: Oklahoma State University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 19:32:18 GMT

From article <bobl.aw4c@bobsbox.rent.com>, by bobl@bobsbox.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdmin):

> > Do people use GIF images anymore?  I have gone to JPEG myself with
> > important 24bit images saved at 100% boosted quality settings.

You bet they do. Outside of the internet world, GIF is still *the* method for
storing pictures. I hate to start any kind of flame war here, but JPG's a
a lossy compression method that is often used improperly, resulting in
pictures with severly butchered quality. 

Because of the quality loss, I don't touch JPG unless I have to. Usually, if 
I'm wanting to save some space, I'll use a program on the PC called GIFLITE.
It usually reduces the size of pictures by 30%, quality loss is completely
unnoticeable, and most importantly, the pictures stay in GIF format so that
large amounts of time don't have to be spent in order to convert the pictures
to a format that can be easily viewed. 

If I need to save space and I don't want to even remotely touch the quality of
a picture, I convert to .PCX then ARJ it up.

For the reasons of conversion time, and quality loss, JPEG will never
become *the* format for images, IMHO.

-- 

--- Josh McCormick
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From: acme@netcom.com (Myles Olson)
Subject: The Acme BBS (510)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 06:44:06 GMT
From: thantos@runic.via.mind.org (Paul Williams [SysOp])
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.ads
Subject: Re: SOME ONE TELL mE
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 14:13:43 EST
Organization: Runic Writings / Lawrenceville, GA

klaus@cscns.com (Klaus Dimmler) writes:

> Paul Williams [SysOp] (thantos@runic.via.mind.org) wrote:
> : ms496s553@sycom.mi.org (Mark Foren) writes:
> 
> : > I called this local Board that was listed in a MAGAZINE and it supposedly
> : > ELITE-Net ...and some sorta 0 day Files or Sumtin...Hmm Has anyone come 
> : > accross this system...It listed on in Tennesse xxx-xxx-xxxx that was down
> : > called the Other one xxx-xxx-xxxx...
> 
> :   Has anyone ever told you you're well and truly a stupid fuck?  I just
> :   thought I'd pass that along.
> 
> I am missing something.. What caused such a strong reaction to this
> message? Is there something going on behind the lines? Perhaps the problem
> is that I do not know what an "ELITE-Net" is. I am curious.. Can anyone
> shed some light on this for me?

  Since I'm the strong reactor here, let me clarify things a bit here...

  Elite boards = boards where pirated files can be found...

  In general, elite boards are PRIVATE.

  I have no direct objection to piracy per se, I do it, and I also buy
  the software I find fits my needs, however, posting such a lame and
  inept message on a global message base is the most idiotic action I've
  seen someone take in a long time...


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From: vrv@cimage.com (Victor Volkman)
Subject: Sysops Modem Discount Report #19 Now Available!
Organization: Cimage Corp, Ann Arbor, MI
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 16:04:03 GMT


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                Straight Talk About Modems For Sysops Since 1991

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    soon find yourself chasing down every BBS in the country trying to get
    all the details.  When you get the details, you still have to sort
    through and find out who really has the best deal.  Since I've spent a
    couple years doing this for myself, I figured other people would like
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    and would like to help anyone else along that I can!

    [HOW TO GET SYSMOD19.ZIP]

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                   latest version in /pub directory

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From: mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Your one stop GRAPHICS shop!
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:13:18 GMT

In <38346@cbmvax.commodore.com> chrisg@cbmvax.commodore.com (Chris Green) writes:
>	The quality loss from reducing your 24 bit data to only 256 colors
>(GIF) is much higher than the loss from a jpeg compression.

of course many people won't see that because they only have a 256 color
display or will generate further losses by jpeg'ing 256 color images.

Regards,
-- 
Michael van Elst
UUCP:     universe!local-cluster!milky-way!sol!earth!uunet!unido!mpirbn!p554mve
Internet: p554mve@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de
                                "A potential Snark may lurk in every tree."
From: briang@bari.Eng.Sun.COM (Brian Gordon)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.ads
Subject: Re: THE NEWEST IN SHAREWARE!!
Date: 11 Jan 1993 21:31:46 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: bari

In article <1993Jan10.055856.2405@vpnet.chi.il.us> mox@vpnet.chi.il.us (William Moxley) writes:
<gene.frazier@filebank.cts.com (Gene Frazier)  writes:
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<You do know that this is unreadable, don't you?
<
<		William Moxley
<		mox@vpnet.chi.il.us
<

Do you mean it is supposed to be something other than some lines of semi-random
dots?  Why do you think so?  I don't see any evidence of it ;-}

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From: chrisg@cbmvax.commodore.com (Chris Green)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.ads,comp.graphics,comp.graphics.animation,comp.sys.amiga.graphics,alt.graphics.pixutils,comp.sys.ibmpc.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Your one stop GRAPHICS shop!
Date: 6 Jan 93 13:11:45 GMT
Reply-To: chrisg@cbmvax.commodore.com (Chris Green)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1993Jan5.193218.6394@a.cs.okstate.edu> jmccorm@a.cs.okstate.edu (MCCORMICK JOSHUA C) writes:
>
>You bet they do. Outside of the internet world, GIF is still *the* method for
>storing pictures. I hate to start any kind of flame war here, but JPG's a
>a lossy compression method that is often used improperly, resulting in
>pictures with severly butchered quality. 
>
>Because of the quality loss, I don't touch JPG unless I have to. Usually, if 
>I'm wanting to save some space, I'll use a program on the PC called GIFLITE.
>It usually reduces the size of pictures by 30%, quality loss is completely
>unnoticeable, and most importantly, the pictures stay in GIF format so that
>large amounts of time don't have to be spent in order to convert the pictures
>to a format that can be easily viewed. 
>

	The quality loss from reducing your 24 bit data to only 256 colors
(GIF) is much higher than the loss from a jpeg compression.
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From: mcastle@cs.umr.edu (Michael R Castle)
Subject: Re: Your one stop GRAPHICS shop!
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:34:40 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla, Rolla, MO

In article <1993Jan7.163314.23704@fys.ruu.nl> hooft@fys.ruu.nl (Rob Hooft) writes:
>
>JPEG=compression method, JFIF=File format that is used for '.jpg' files.
>
>>GIF compress too, thus it is not image format?
>
>Yes. LZW=compression method, GIF=File format that is used for '.gif' files.

Don't forget to add:
JPEG=compression method, HSI=File format used for some '.jpg' files.
JPEG=compression method, TIFF=File format used for '.tiff' files.
LZW=compression method, TIFF=File format used for '.tiff' files.
RLE=compression method, TIFF=File format used for '.tiff' files.
RLE=compression method, TGA=File format used for '.tga' files.
RLE=compression method, UtahRLE=File format used for some '.rle' files.
RLE=compression method, CompuserveRLE=File format used for some '.rle'
RLE=compression method, PCX=File format used for '.pcx' files.

Part of the problem is using the same name for both the compression 
method and the file format, and in the case of jpeg, using '.jpg' instead
of '.jff' for the file extension.  Too late now, I suppose.  We're
stuck with it.  *sigh*

mrc
-- 
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S087891@UMRVMA.UMR.EDU   and be right at least twice a day.  -- mrc
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From: sysop@pwrtools.wariat.org (Valkyries--j. rowland)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.ads
Subject: The Last Stand BBS -- A New Year's Resolution...
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 22:37:14 EST
Organization: Lud's Powertool Boutique--Lakewood, Ohio


                            The Last Stand BBS
                              (216) 228.o462
                              Lakewood, Ohio
                          3oo-144oo Baud Welcome
                            In Black and White
                          (Thank-you very much.)


Happy New Year!  1993 is an odd year.  There may now be much rejoicing.  An 
odd BBS has just been officially opened to The Masses.  The grinches from Ohio
Bell will only grant the system One phone line despite my protestations and
lunch money, but the place is still pretty froody.  The system is running on 
a BBS program which frightens a good number of people, but that's our own way
of weeding out the useless.  (Waffle, Waffle, Waffle, Waffle)

Feel free to call, we have about 136 megs of hard drive space waiting to
get filled-up with conversations, files, and spleens.  We also have begun
to build a fairly extensive information archive with neat-o liberation files.
The system carries Usenet groups (ranging from rec.music.info to
alt.spleen) and we offer Internet mail access.

We don't like oysters or portugese, but we do like new ideas.  If you have
an idea for us to add to the system, or if you'd like to run a message area,
let us know...all the more power too you.  (That's how King Zog I of Albania
came to power in the 1920's.)  

If you call and the system hangs-up on you, DON'T PANIC!  Brush and floss
your teeth, and call back after that.  (Nine out of ten dentists prefer The
Last Stand BBS over any other name brand BBS.)  Occassionally the system
dials out other systems to exchange e-mail, files, and all that nonsense.
Blah, Blah, Blah.  Call our BBS, not only do we not disembowel wombats,
but the BBS is totally free (unless of course, you're calling from some
far away place like No Name, Colorado--then the phone companies getcha.)

Remember, the number is 228-o462.  Weirdness without malice (a la mode).

Thank-you, and hope to see you soon.  

                        Oogle be shnoop,
                        
                        John Rowland / Valkyries / lC!
                        Jason Kraley / Jeczalik
                        Mark E. Hricko / Galwin
                        Joe Navratil / Tapin
                        Ernest Petti's
                         Pet Tick / Bill

--
John C. Rowland, Adminstradictator of the
Last Stand BBS: +1 (216) 228 o462 
sysop@pwrtools.wariat.org     

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From: urkastig@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Robert Kastigar)
Subject: Labor Union Bulletin Boards
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 12:10:57 GMT

As of January, 1993:

       The CURRENT list of SoliNet BBS Participants 
               (Data Phone Numbers)
----------------------------------------------------------------
SoliNet now carries two labor related echo conferences:
       LaborChat - the public form open to all
       UnionTalk - for those associated with the labor movement
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HOST: Pipefitters Local 533 - Kansas City, Missouri
     System Operator: Gary Goodman
     (816) 737-3406  Hayes HST
     (816) 737-5257 (Dual Standard HST)

HUB: IUE International - Secacus, New Jersey (201) 223-0485 
     International Union of Electronic Wokrers
     System Operator & NET ADMINISTRATOR: Mike Lostutter

HUB: IBEW Local 1220 - Rosemont (Chicago area), IL (708) 292-1223
     International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers
     System Operator: Bob Kastigar

HUB: San Diego Labor Council, San Diego, California 
     (619) 283-6672 
     System Operator: Sue Schaffner

Node: IAFF Fireline, White Plains, NY (914) 684-0188
     International Association of Firefighters
     System Operator: Duncan Macrae

Node: IBT Local 1149, Syracuse NY 
      (315) 695-3077 (Salt City Caverns)
      International Brotherhood of Teamsters
      System Operator: Steve Richmond

Node: IAFF Fireline, Albany, NY (518) 436-8143
      International Association of Firefighters
      System Operator: Duncan Macrae

Node: UWUA, Lynn (Boston area), Mass (617) 592-3241
      Utility Workers Union of America
      Sysop: Leo Macgillivray

Node: University of Connecticut 
      U. of C.  Labor Education Dept.
      Sysop: Michael Spellman  (203) 486-5362

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From: bobl@bobsbox.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdmin)
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Subject: Re: Your one stop GRAPHICS shop!
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:51:16 GMT
Organization: Raven Enterprises -- Piscataway, NJ USA
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <C0CwsA.J68@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au> Me, Myself & I writes:
> dejesus@saturn.nwc.navy.mil (Francisco X DeJesus) writes:
>
> >In article <Ad-Robot.aokv@bobsbox.rent.com> Ad-Robot@bobsbox.rent.com (Robotic Posting Menace) writes:
> >>
> >>                           -=* ANNOUNCING *=-
> >>
> >>                       T H E  G R A P H I C S  B B S
>
> >[... long list of nice features deleted ...]
>
> >>
> >>   The Graphics BBS currently runs on an IBM AT at 8mHz with 4 meg of
>
> >Yikes! Is that one over-taxed machine or what?
>
> Actually, I've seen an IBM XT bbs. Not that it actually lasted that long or
> anything. Heard it blew up after 3 days.
>
> --
>
>  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                    " The chicken has to be right only once. "

Sorry, I had to respond to this.  The system has been runnng 24 hours a
day 7 days a week for well over 2 years.  I've been running different
incarnations of this BBS since 1985.  How's that for longevity!?  The
longest the system has ever been down has been probably 2 days when it
crashed and I was away on a trip.

--
 Bob Lindabury

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