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From: sef@sef-pmax.slisp.cs.cmu.edu
Subject: Re: Ensoniq KS-32
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 21:53:07 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon


    ...But did they do the same bogus
    endplate design on this unit as they did with the SQ-2, adding useless
    decorations that make the keyboard a half inch too wide to fit on a normal
    --
    dr. michael metlay

Not a big problem for most of us.  In fact, I've seen no evidence that
there is such a thing as "a normal dr. michael metlay".  The KS-32 would
fit nicely onto the more familiar "not-very-normal dr. michael metlay," at
least if dropped from a sufficent height.  But the T-8 would clearly be
better for this purpose.

-- Scott
===========================================================================
Scott E. Fahlman
School of Computer Science
Carnegie Mellon University
5000 Forbes Avenue
Pittsburgh, PA 15213

Internet: sef+@cs.cmu.edu

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: jawalsh@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (John Anthony Walsh)
Subject: Mac Classic II for MIDI?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:47:06 GMT

Looking for advice (again)?  Can some one tell me if a Mac Classic II
(w/ the Motorola '030 processor) is sufficient for most Mac MIDI
applications?  Sure the little black and white screen is a pain in the
butt, but shouldn't most of the software work?  There are no expansion
slots in the Mac Classic II, but don't Mac MIDI interfaces hook into the
serial port?  

Thanks for the replies, everyone.

John 


-- 
**********John A. Walsh, Dept. of English, Indiana University************
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From: jwright@nsc.nsc.com (John Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.misc
Subject: Kurzweil Char. Recognition / Voice Device
Keywords: Chararacter Recoginition, Kurzweil
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:06:27 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: National Semiconductor, Santa Clara

Please excuse the intrusion, I am new to this sort of stuff.

I have a handicaped friend in need of a character recognition and voice
synthesizer setup for reading.  He was in a car accident and can function
in limited ways, but is no longer able to read.  He can write and type.

I seem to remember an add on TV where Stevie Wonder is using a device made
by Kurzweil to read what looked like handwriten fan mail into a computer and
the computer voice was keeping pace with the scanning.  Sounded terible, but it
worked.  Does anyone know how to tract down more information about this 
device, or anything like it?

I have recommended using an Amiga with a text processor and Perfect Grammer
to assist in his writing, but he still needs help reading things that are 
not in computer text form, like text booksi and letters. 

Any suggestions or info on this device, please respond to:
	jwright@nsc.nsc.com

Thanks.
From: webster.henr801c@XEROX.COM
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: re: SY99 has no peers
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:43:54 GMT


>> Hey... there's the SY99 from Yamaha.

> Can you say "K2000" ?

Since everybody is pointing out K2000 over SY99, I thought I would add what I
consider an important point: Kurzweil and Yamaha have totally different styles
when it comes to what they think sounds good.  If you live in Rochester, NY, go
to Brighton Sound -- they have a K2000 and an SY99 set up next to each other.

FM and VAST aside, 76 keys and cheap SIMMs aside, etc, etc, the two synth's
"sound personality" are coming from opposite side of the spectrum.  Kurzweil is
fat and warm, Yamaha is light and clear.  The difference isn't just their
synthesise method -- even their raw samples of the same acoustic sound are
totally different (e.g. their acoustic pianos).  Before you drop money on
either, you better be sure you understand the difference and decide your
preference for your situation.  For example, people with rock background will
probably prefer the Kurz, people with R&B/Dance background will probably prefer
the Yamaha; if you need something to fill a mix you probably want the Kurz, if
you want to add something ontop of the mix without getting in the way you
probably want the Yamaha; etc, etc.

You can argue over various aspects of the two machines -- the Kurz is stronger
on the sampling side, Yamaha is stronger on the effects processing, etc -- but
the bottom line is the sound, and in my opinion you can't really compare the
sound since they are so totally different.  You just have to decide which style
of sound you want: fat and warm or light and clear.

Ideally, you would have both (IMHO) -- and between the two you could probably
cover most any situation.

marc webster
From: metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: New Oberheim OB-MX?
Summary: HAH!
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:49:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Atomic City

In article <1992Jul24.010358.16718@riacs.edu> glennd@george.arc.nasa.gov (Glenn Deardorff) writes:
>Does anyone have any information on when the new Oberhiem OB-MX (or whatever its 
>present name is) is to be released?  Or what its supposed to retail for?
>This sounds like the perfect fix for a retromanic.

Its release date keeps getting pushed back and the price keeps climbing.
Don't believe anything you read or hear until it's IN the stores....
(Some recent data to disbelieve: in stores this fall starting at $2000
for 2 voices, climbing to $6000 for 12.)


--
dr. michael metlay          \ 
atomic city                  \ "ZIS ist ze pahrt ov Shprocketz vhen ve TANZ!"
                              \ 
metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu \                                     (dieter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: ereidell@media.mit.edu (Evan A. Reidell)
Subject: Dealer Prices
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 01:19:44 GMT

A music store in a rural part of the state
sells a $299/list product for $240.

A store in the city does the following:
 * tells you the list price
 * asks you "have you been shopping around?" and
    you tell them about the store that had it for $240
 * gasps and wheezes upon hearing this, goes to some back room
   (shouldn't he already know what the dealer price of the item is? i.e.
    what the store bought it for...  is that what he's looking up?)
 * comes back, says:
    "well, i don't know how they did it -- that price BORDERS ON INSANITY!
    the best we can do is $289."  $10 less than list.  Hmm.

OK, the store in the city pays more rent.  But don't they move more
merchandise?  Do the synth manufacturers charge different prices to
different stores depending on where they are?  I can imagine that
various factory/dealer package deals move the price around, but by
$50 for a $300 item?

People who have worked in music stores, please email me all the gory
details.  I always feel uncomfortable playing such price games, I
also get paranoid that they see me and think "Oh, here's this guy
again.  He payed list for that thing we sold him last week...  he's
got cash, let's try to nail him again."  Which they probably do.

Is it OK to start another "dealership horror stories" thread?

- Evan A. Reidell
From: sk1y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Shuntaro Kawakami)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Wanted
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:40:44 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

If someone want to sell D-110 or 8 channel mixer, send me an E-mail.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: AS.TLK@forsythe.stanford.edu (Timothy Kaufman)
Subject: Re:      The K2000 vs. SY99 continued...
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:41:24 GMT

sef@sef-pmax.slisp.cs.cmu.edu writes:
>
>Well, here's my two cents' worth on the K2000 vs. the rest of the world.  I
>own a K2000.  I've only messed with the SY99 for a while at a local store,
>though I've owned and programmed a number of Yamaha's earier FM synths.
>

>3. The great thing about the K2000 -- the thing that has whipped all of us
>up into a frenzy -- is the powerful synthesis engine.  The all-digital
>filters and other DSP options are incredibly powerful and flexible, and
>they can use either samples or simple generated waveforms as raw material.
>The K2000 can sound extremely fat and analog or extremely edgy and FM-like,
>as you like.  You can also get very complex evolution of sounds over time.
>The SY99 filters are not in the same league, in my opinion.  FM synthesis,
>even of the extended kind, does a few things very well and many other
>things poorly or not at all.
>

Uh...since you've programmed FM, I don't need to tell you, but for
someone who might be confused by the filter comment...

I'm no expert on FM, but aren't the SY filters just an icing on the
cake add-on?  The DX-7 had no filters;  indeed FM achieves it's
timbral effects in other ways (varying the volume or tuning of the
modulator operator, using a different algorithm, etc.).

I guess having a good filter on top of that would be nice too.

Question:  How do the capabilities of the DX and the SY (just the FM
component) compare?  If the SY outperforms, is it due to:
1)  Additional algorithms?
2)  Increased digital resolution?
3)  Those filters?

I too tend to think of the DX sound as somewhat weak or cheesy,
with certain exceptions (the trademark Rhodes sound of course).
Yet there's no denying the timbral response FM is capable of,
as another poster mentioned.  Have I been prejudiced by DX's that
just happened to have lousy patches or what?

One thing most seem to agree on--FM sounds like FM.  Then there's
the K2000.  Its architecture is so powerful, if you punch up the
orchestral pad, close your eyes and play....you'd miss-hit several
black keys.

>===========================================================================
>Scott E. Fahlman

Tim Kaufman
Controller's Office
Stanford University
as.tlk@forsythe.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: dpm@cray.com (Donald P. Maghrak)
Subject: Kurzweil 250
Summary: keyboard for sale
Keywords: for sale
Distribution: usa
Date: 21 Jul 92 11:09:52 CDT

for those interested in such things;

Hi Tech Consignments of Minneapolis has a Kurzweil 250 keyboard for
sale at the price of $1999.  This is the same model that Paul Schaffer
uses on Letterman (I think).  It has the manuals and I think some pedals.
The price may be negotiable according to the sales guy.

I checked it out a little and noticed that one of the keys is erratic.
Thats all I know about it's operation.

Call them for details as I am not sure what all comes with it.
In fact, please DO NOT respond to this account as I will ignore it.

	HI-TECH Consignments
	3743 Nicollet Ave So
	MPLS,MN. 55409

	612-822-7602

Don 
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From: markp@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Mark A. Pitcher)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Skinny Puppy MIDI song files
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 08:54:03 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Dark Park

rej@bob.sal.wisc.edu (Randy Jones) writes:

> markp@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Mark A. Pitcher) writes:
> >	
> >	Does anyone have any MIDI songfiles for Skinny Puppy? Is there an
> >archive site for such things? 
> 
> Why, sure. The tracks make heavy use of the IGMIDI (Industrial General MIDI)
> extensions to the GMIDI standard, naturally. It's a good thing that IGMIDI 
> is so comprehensive, because the songfiles just wouldn't do the original musi
> justice without such definitions as instrument 912 (chainsaw), instrument 169
> (Oberheim synthbass w/ Big Muff distortion) and instrument 4193 ("ta-take
> out my stomach, my kidneys...").
> 
> To play IGMIDI files, you need either Roland's Sound Abattoir or the
> Proteus 4/Angst. The Roland is cheaper but the samples on the 4/Angst 
> are done much better. Especially the stereo Burroughs stuff, a nice touch.


	That's pretty good (but don't give up your day job).

	I still need these MIDI files. I'd hate to go through
the trouble of creating them, then finding out someone else has
better versions.


-------------------------------------------------------------------darkPARK BBS

markp@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Mark A. Pitcher)

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Return-Path: crispen <@ada3.ca.boeing.com:crispen@efftoo>
X-Envelope-To: SYNTH-L@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 07:42:48 CDT
From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject: Re: I need help with my FZ-1
Comments: To: SYNTH-L@ada3.ca.boeing.com

bassler ryan p <bassler@UXA.CSO.UIUC.EDU>

>I bought an FZ-1 about two months ago and I'm having a few problems
>with it that I hope someone can help me with.

Ryan, the reason that you're having problems is that the FZ-1 is
a completely worthless dog of a sampler.  If I were you I'd throw
it away -- better yet, save the landfill charges and send it off to

Bob Crispen
1308 Runnymead Ave SW
Decatur AL 35601

Oh, all right, ;-) -- I lust after that keyboard!  An honest-to-god
sampler (not a canned sample playback unit) with not-too-bad keyboard
and pretty good built-in editing for under $1K!  About the only
thing that really pisses me off about it is that it doesn't remember
the MIDI channel assignment, and can't load it from disk.  I've got
one at work (a long story) and I wish I could find one for home.
Congratulations on finding one.  Let me know what you find out about
your problems.

Bob
crispen@foxy.boeing.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.music,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: mccreary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (MCCREARY SEAN)
Subject: Turtle Beach Multisound
Keywords: Price
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 02:00:28 GMT

I received a flyer in the mail today announcing that PC-Zone is having a
sale.  Well, it seems that they are offering the Multisound card for $728,
and on top of that they are offering a 5% discount, so the net cost is
$691.60!  This is $100 less than I have seen this card going for anywhere
else, so if you want one, this may be the time to buy.  The number to order
is 1-800-258-2088, and give them the number 22562 to get the extra 5%
discount.

-- 
Science, like Nature/ Must also be tamed/ With a view towards its preservation
Given the same/ State of integrity/ It will surely serve us well -- Neil Peart
Sean McCreary   University of Colorado at Boulder   mccreary@ucsu.colorado.edu
From: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Mac MIDI librarian
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:46:00 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Originator: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se

I need a Mac MIDI librarian that handles the Yamaha V50.
Anyone know of one, or do I have to do a Q&D one myself ?

-- 
      Jon W{tte, Svartmangatan 18, S-111 29 Stockholm, Sweden
                  h+@nada.kth.se    +46-10-141652

              My cat usually runs around on the roof.
From: germond@popov.Eng.Sun.COM (Tom Germond)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Alesis quadraverb GT, Zoom 9030
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:50:21 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: germond@popov.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: popov.eng.sun.com

I just bought a Zoom 9030 for $550 U.S. from a local dealer. I like it--
don't love it. It's a bit noisy for my tastes, but the effects are good
and there are lots of them, with lots of parameters to play with. The
presets are okay--a little too much on the heavy side for my tastes,
but I'm a guitar player and don't like to program these little boxes
too much. The foot pedal that's available with this thing (I think
it's the 8030 or something like that) is supposed to be great. It makes
it easy to change patches on stage. I plan to get one sooner or later,
but I didn't have the money when I bought the 9030.

Hope this helps.

Tom

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: jgeniec@cis.ohio-state.edu (Joseph Geniec)
Subject: Yamaha RX-7 drum machine for sale
Originator: jgeniec@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Distribution: oh
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:45:18 GMT

	I am interested in selling a Yamaha RX-7 Drum machine. I paid
$660 for it and a RAM-4 cartridge several years ago, but I'll part with
them for around $250. You get:
	-The Drum Machine 
	-RAM-4 cartridge
	-cassette interface (for saving data)
The RX-7 comes standard with:
	-24 drum pads
	-16 simultaneous voices permitted
	-100 drum and voice samples
	-midi sysex capable
	-100 songs permitted in memory at once
	-100 patterns "	      "    "    "   "
	-midi in, out, thru ports
	-LR output and phone jacks
	-foot switch jack
	-8 demos
	-pitch, volume, pan & decay editing allowed on each individual note
	 in songs
        -backlit LCD
	-step and real time recording allowed
	-echoing effects
	-and it's in perfect condition, too!

In case you were wondering, the drum pads are NOT velocity sensitive. However,
if you own a velocity-sensitive keyboard or electronic drum setup, the machine
will respond to velocity thru MIDI.
I'm sorry to say that I do not have the manual anymore, but you can probably
find it at a local music dealer for under $10. Also, if you don't live near
Akron, Cleveland, Cincinnati or Columbus, you'll have to cover shipping
charges too. For info email me at: jgeniec@cis.ohio-state.edu
From: rosensta@spade.rutgers.edu (Michael "Trott" Rosenstark)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Alesis quadraverb GT, Zoom 9030
Date: 24 Jul 92 04:09:06 GMT
Distribution: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I have a 9030.  I paid slightly more than $500 for it, and it's
amazing.  

cheers,

mike
-- 
rosensta@ace.rutgers.edu
rosensta@silvertone.princeton.edu


      "Domini caveat e smilium, diem e smilium, Corpus Christi e smilium."

--Caesar, proposing a ban on the use of smileys on Rome's "usenet", ca. 40 A.D.
From: rfisel@informix.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Attn: MIDI Newcomers!
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:21:58 GMT
Reply-To: rfisel@informix.com
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

> asrbb@acad2.alaska.edu writes:
> 
> >Attention MIDI Newcomers!                                            
> 
> >Don't post to this newsgroup if you need assistance or information about
> >MIDI topics.  Speaking from experience, the people who post here are not
> >interested in your problems or troubles...you're on your own!
> 
> >Sorry about that, but that's just the way it seems to go and I thought
> >I'd save you some time.  Try the magazines and users groups in your area
> >if you want support.
> 
While I'm basically in sympathy with this poster (aren't we all tired of those  
"tell me what synth to buy for $25" posts), I was a newbie not so long ago  
myself, and still get a few problems with my setup. I also notice a LOT of  
posts by people who know just a little music theory (just enough to be  
dangerous ;=)), and there was an FAQ assembled from that, including all the  
posts that were way wrong. That is another topic where books and courses are  
readily available, but no one said "Hey kid, go get a B.Mus. before posting" on  
that one. 

Aren't we being overly harsh to tell newbies to just go away? Would  
rec.music.beginners be a possibility for these folks to ask questions, while  
still reading here for info?

Rick Fisel 
opinionated employee of opinionless
Informix Software
I prefer replies by email.
From: jtn@ADS.COM (John T. Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: SY99 has no peers?
Date: 23 Jul 92 04:58:34 GMT
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mtn. View, CA (415) 960-7300

>   I do notice they have a Waldorf Wave.
>
>aaaAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaiiiiigh!!!
>
>Sure you don't mean a MicroWave?

You're right Nick.  Sorry.  I also notice that I characterized the
Roland JV-80 as not using samples which is clearly untrue.  The JV-80
sounds are all based on samples.  In fact you can add samples rather
easily to this synth via modules you can install yourself, right in the
privacy of your own home.  I have NO idea where my brain was when I
wrote that article.

Must be getting old.

- John
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:14:51 EDT
From:         "AED-FD Homesh R. Lalbahadur" <hlalbah@PICA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject:      Samples on CD's
Comments: To: synth-l@american.edu

  If anyone has used CD's that contain material for sampling (i.e., grand
pianos, drums, sounds from other synths, etc.) for sale , please email me
and I will get back to you in a few days.  Thank you.

-- Homesh L.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: plate@cdsmn.mn.org (Doug Plate)
Subject: Attention r.m.s Veterans: Don't Post to This Newsgroup!
Organization: Dicomed Inc, Burnsville, MN.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 05:47:05 GMT

Then the only thing in here will be "which synth should I buy".
Don't complain, um, write a song about it!  Yeah!  "Nobody in
r.m.s. loves but mike metlay,  and he might be jivin too!"
Sorry, I'm tired and crabby ( I didn't get my nappy )'

Besides everyone knows that the best way to answer the question
"which synth should I buy" is to walk into the local guitar center
waving a handful of hundreds, and simply ask the sales person.
They will tell you.

Anyone have any questions about DX7 sysex?  OMYGOD! I've outlived my
usefullness!

One of these days that little "this message will be posted to a gazillion
computers throughout the universe and you may end up looking like an idot,
are you sure...?"  message is going to come up and the pressure of such an
intense burden is just going to crack me in half.

Okay, so this wasn't my best post, but that's...okay.

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: feng@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Wuchun Feng)
Subject: E-mu MPS
Reply-To: Wuchun Feng <feng@cs.uiuc.edu>
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:30:18 GMT

Does anyone out there have any information about the new E-mu MPS Music
Workstation (featured on the back of Keyboard, August 1992)?

Please reply via e-mail.  I will post a summary if there is sufficient
interest.

-Wu
-- 
Wuchun Feng // feng@cs.uiuc.edu // University of Illinois // Urbana, IL 61801
From: chris@clarinet.music (Chris Scudds)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Power Cuts/Lyrics
Date: 23 Jul 92 10:36:29 GMT
Reply-To: chris@uk.ac.gla.music
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Service

There was a power cut in the studio last night and I lost around
10Meg of lovely crumhorn samples.

So today's message is *save them as you go*.

A crumhorn is a 16th century poor man's oboe. Shaped like a walking
stick, it sounds like a cross between a kazoo and an evil minimoog.
Excellent!

I have had several replies to the lyric competition, and the standard
has been high. Keep them coming. This could be your big break :-)

I should also point out that the chris@uk.ac.gla.music account receives
NeXTmail, so if any of you want to post me a whistled ( or even sung )
tune to go with your lyrics, go ahead.

Now where's that musician's directory...`C'...crummy drummers, crummy
bass players, ah yes, crumhorn players...

--
*****  Who am I ? - Chris Scudds, BSc, MSc, ( PhD? Wait and see )  *****
*    Where am I ? - Dept. Of Music, University Of Glasgow, Scotland    *
*                      Why do I feel this way ?                        *
*            >>  chris@uk.ac.gla.music   NeXTmail accepted  <<         *
*****         >>  " I'd rather Jack, than Famous Grouse "  <<      *****