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From: djohnson@cs.ulowell.edu (Daniel T. Johnson)
Subject: Re: >>>> What is essence of SUCCESS
Originator: djohnson@bigmax.ulowell.edu
Organization: U. Mass. at Lowell
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:21:54 GMT


In article <ssimmons.725722026@convex.convex.com>, ssimmons@convex.com (Steve Simmons) writes:
|> >>In article <EfEDuOC00WBNM2ZpMM@andrew.cmu.edu> zh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Zhengguo Hu) 
|> writes:
|> >>
|> >>
|> >>     I was recently interviewed by a consulting company. The interviewer
|> >>   ask me the question:
|> >>     "How would you describe the essence of success?"
|> >>
|> >>     This question surprised me. What are your answers?
|> 
|> > In article, Allan Adler writes
|> > You have the right to know the purpose of every question that is asked
|> > of you. So ask. For questions about your experience, the purpose might
|> > be self-evident. On the other hand, questions about your sex life would be 
|> > inappropriate in most professions. You don't have to assume that every question
|> > put to you is legitimate and the one they asked you sounds to me to be
|> > way out of line. If you are not satisfied that they have the right to ask you 
|> > something like that, then don't answer it.
|> 
|> Huh.... not relevant... If the EEO has problems with this question, we might
|> as well conduct interviews using those black dot tests, like on SATs. 
|> 
|> The question is trying to establish your values and to see if they match 
|> with the company's values.  It is a very good question and you would see 
|> so if you have ever worked in a situation where everyone has different 
|> values/goals.   

I totally agree with this question.  I think it is a very important question.

As far as an answer, I think one should answer exactly how one feels.  If you don't two problems might happen:
     1)  You may guess wrong on what you think the company wants to here.
     2)  You may get the job and have to work with a bunch of people that have            entirly different values than you do.

My answer is that as long as I am happy in what I do and I feel that I am doing something useful then that is success.  From a company point of view if a company can hire people that love what they do and make them feel useful then they have a good shot at being very successful.
-- 
Daniel T. Johnson

-------------------------------------------------
Problems make life interesting and fun
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: dtl8v@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Heracleitus)
Subject: Re: Northerners moving south - questions
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:55:29 GMT

In article <Jan.1.10.09.23.1993.17564@cadenza.rutgers.edu> masticol@cadenza.rutgers.edu (Steve Masticola) writes:
>Specifically, have you had trouble with the, ah, insularity of the
>natives? Was it possible to adjust after a period of time, or is one
>always pegged as a damyankee? It seems like a serious quality-of-life
>issue. 
>
>- Steve "actually, I was born south of the Mason-Dixon line, by about
>         five miles" masticol@cs.rutgers.edu.

  Well, Steve, I was born north of the Mason-Dixon line, not far from
Rutgers, actually, and I think the very question itself strikes of
some, ah, insularity.  I can't imagine what some of you "damyankees"
must think of us Southern boys, with a question like that.  My only
concern, should I move North, would be surviving the cold, and Rutgers
certainly isn't the coldest place on the planet.  Most places you are
probably looking for a job in are as metropolitan as any up North,
save some city traffic, such as Atlanta and Charlotte, Richmond,
Jacksonville, New Orleans.  You probably won't end up living among the
stereotypical hics and hillbillies, and even if you do, I sure they're
not any worse than the New England rock growers. :-)

Doug Lamb
University of Virginia
dtl8v@Virginia.EDU

P.S.  I'd be more worried about the quality of education for the kids,
if any.  Schools in Virginia, N.C., Georgia, Florida are relatively
good, but others...  It really depends on the locality you move into,
anywhere.
From: robjohn@ocdis01.UUCP (Contractor Bob Johnson)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: What is essence of SUCCESS
Date: 31 Dec 92 15:01:20 GMT
Organization: Tinker Air Force Base, Oklahoma

In article <EfEDuOC00WBNM2ZpMM@andrew.cmu.edu> zh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Zhengguo Hu) writes:
>  I was recently interviewed by a consulting company. The interviewer
>ask me the question:
>  "How would you describe the essence of success?"
>  This question surprised me. What are your answers?

If I were to ask this question while interviewing, it would be to get a 
feeling for the overall maturity and life viewpoint of the candidate.
As you get older, there seems to be a point at which you realize that
success has to do with life, not just your job.  Unfortunately, most of
us hit this point when we realize that our kids have grown up while we
were pulling 60 and 70 hour weeks to "get the job done".  I tend to feel
that job-centered people are more difficult to manage, and they are at
more risk of changing jobs in order to better their position.  This is
a very subjective opinion, though.  A company might view the job-centered
person as a better risk because they could push them harder and get more
output (albeit for a shorter time).  As an example, a family-centered
employee might tell the boss that their son's little-league game is more
important than his deadline.  A job-centered employee would forgo the
game and work overtime to meet the deadline.  Since you were interviewed
by a consulting company, this could very well be the reason for asking
the question.  Either that, or they read some cute book like "1,000
Great Questions for Interviewing Prospective Employees".

HINT:  Many (most?) interviewers don't have a clue on how to pick out
the best candidate.  They have no training, and they're as scared as you
are (or they just don't give a damn, 'cuz it ain't their department).

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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: stanton@athena.cs.uga.edu (Catherine Stanton)
Subject: Interview with PR Firm
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:23:50 GMT

Hi guys, you all might remember me from a post yesterday, the
southerner in Baltimore going to an interview today.

Well, I went.  And quite frankly, I am amazed.
It was my first "formal" job interview.  Basically I made a cold
call to a Public Relations firm in Baltimore, and somehow, miraculously,
the secretary to whom I spoke managed to set me up an appointment with
the Vice President of the firm.

I was AMAZINGLY nervous, I felt rather unprepared despite some hours
in the local library trying to research this firm.  One of the problems
I ran into was that it was so small, it was rarely written up in the news,
etc.  I figured I'd go in, crash and burn, chalk it up to a learning 
experience, and move on with my tail tucked neatly between my legs.

Let me preface this by saying I have NO PR or internship experience.  I 
am an almost (5 hour independent study short) journalism graduate from UGA.
I honestly never expected to get the remotest chance to even darken the
doors of this place -- but you never know until you try.

I spoke to the Vice President who was simply WONDERFUL.  He answered some
of my queswtions, expressed regret at my lack of experience, but gave me    
another option to check out.

He spent a good while talking to me then mentioned a Graduate Internship
program with the company.  He brought in the woman who heads up this program
which is a three month internship, at the end of which there is no guarantee
of a job, but a good many of their interns stay on and work with them.  Then,
he brought in the ad executive for whom I would be working if I were to intern,
and after talking to all of them, offered me the position.  

I am just amazingly confused, my resume is either better than I thought,
or I just presented myself unbelieveabley (and I mean *unbelieveably*
well).  Either way, this is a great opportunity but I am understandably
thoroughly panicked about moving up to Baltimore for three months for a
"maybe maybe not" possiblity at a job.  At any rate, this would be 
INCREDIBLE experience for a person like me, and I know firsthand that such
internships are amazingly difficult to find, at least in Athens.

Do you all happen to have any suggestions, comments, ideas?  Would you
just pick up and move for the opportunity to gain some invaluable
experience?  I'm just really curious to hear your output, since you all
have been very supportive in answering my previous questions.

Thanks

Cat

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
    Cat Stanton
    stanton@athena.cs.uga.edu
_______________________________________________________________________________
From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Salary range for Sys/Lan admin
Keywords: Salary,job description,network
Date: 8 Jan 93 03:37:22 GMT
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Totally Unorganized


Hi - 

Perhaps some folks out there can provide some information ... I am trying
to find out what a person working as a System/Lan administrator(?) should
expect to receive as an annual salary in the PNW area.

As an example, consider an employee with 3+ years of experience, who is
responsible for equipment selection, a Netware LAN layout and setup, as
well as as the same for a UNIX system using an X.25 link to remote
equipment.  Of course, familiarity with MSDOS and windows (at the API
level) is also required.   The responsibiliits include trouble-shooting,
equipmemt repair ranging from simple component exchange to M/B replacement,
drive and O/S installation, and overall configuring/tuning.  Employee
adds/maintains user accounts, and establishes and maintains security
procedures.  Being able to plan and impliment proper archiving procedures
and schedules is also a must.  Additional tasks include writing utils
to perform special jobs as required, using C, sh, perl, etc., as well
as occasional user apps (nothing overly involved - the sort of things
that one does in 1 to 4 weeks in 'spare time').  Since the site is fairly
small, the employee must be completely self-sufficient, able to handle
whatever problems that may arise, as there are no other technical
employees on site to provide assistance.

Also the employee is required to handle all the routine operator type
stuff such as after-hours backups, running assorted processing apps
during the times the system(s) are not in use, generally at night, mainly
since the system related stuff doesn't (shouldn't) fill a whole day
other than periodically.

In short, sort of a jack-of-all-trades.

What I am looking for is the sort of salary information one can include
in a job description that is being put together.

I would appreciate e-mail replies if possible, as the news is sometimes
spotty, and the information is needed rather badly.

Thank you...

-- 
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From: bobert@informix.com (Robert Murphy)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: AMWAY : why isn't it pyramid selling?
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:46:43 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins) writes:

>I've been introduced to "AMWAY" and whilst it seems to be an interesting
>concept in marketing it smells awfully of "pyramid selling". Though their
>representative assures me that it isn't (but then they would wouldn't
>they?).

There are two ways to make money as part of AMWAY:
1. Sell their products to other people and get your markup on them.
2. Recruit other people; you get a cut of what they sell (and what the
people they recruit sell, and ad infinitum down the line).  This is a
type of pyramid scheme.

In theory, AMWAY is not a pure pyramid scheme because there is a real
product base behind it.  However, of everyone I've ever known who got
involved with AMWAY, only one has just tried to sell me product; everyone
else has tried to recruit me.

>How real is the claim that someone can "make a living at it"?

Some people make a living at it.  Some make a VERY nice living at it.
My understanding, is, though, that there are only two groups of people
who make that kind of money:
1. People who have a large pyramid under them.  For instance, some of the
very early AMWAY distributors are multi-millionaires.
2. People who have landed sales contracts to supply AMWAY products to
large commercial or industrial concerns.  For instance, one woman in
the Cleveland area landed the contract to supply all cleaning products
to Sea World of Ohio, and she's set for life.

My guess is that (a) these people amount to far less than 1% of all
AMWAY distributors, and (b) you'll never make a living just selling
AMWAY products to your friends and neighbors.

>What, if any, is their philosphosical/religion alignment?

I don't think AMWAY has any overt alignment.  However, the two founders of
AMWAY are noted for their devotion to conservative forms of Christianity
and politics, and I've noticed the same bent in most of the AMWAY
distributors I've known.

>How are the products rated in use?

They're actually quite good.  My nephew recently became an AMWAY distributor,
and my wife and I plan to buy from him.  We're doing it partly as a way
to encourage his entrepreneurial bent, but we wouldn't do it at all if
we didn't think the products were superior quality.

>Is it true that they just bailed out one of the US' major automobile
>manufacturers?

No idea.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: lhughes@b11.b11.ingr.com (Lawrence Hughes)
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE 9 DRINKING GAME
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:01:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan09.073820.391066@sue.cc.uregina.ca>, beuker@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Craig Beuker) writes:
> carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso) writes:
> 
> 
> >THIS IS AN ORIGINAL DRINKING GAME I MADE UP FOR ST:DS9!!!
> 
> >FOLLOW-UP THIS POST WITH SOME OF YOUR OWN AND IT WILL BE PUBLISHED!!!
> 
> <[misc stuff deleted]>
> 
> a beer for each time o'brien(sp) has to kick the transporter to get it to work.
> <grin>
>  
>      Craig

And for those tee-totalers among us, a beer everytime you see a white male in
a position of authority, or exhibiting any degree of competence!

"the Midnight Misogynist" 
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)
Subject: Re: Northerners moving south - questions
Organization: American Software Development Corp., West Babylon, NY
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:55:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.005339.3029@cactus.org> ortega@cactus.org (Paul Ortega) writes:
>Speaking as someone born and raised in the South, I think it's safe
>to say that if you act like a "damyankee", you will be pegged
>a "damyankee".  :)

Sometimes it is not acting.  If you live and work in the south, have
professional contact with people and don't "act" like a "damyankee" you
can be branded on just on accent alone.  It has happened to me only
because I have a Brooklyn accent (born in Brooklyn to Brooklyn-born
parents).  If something doesn't seem right to you and all you do is
politely question it with the Brooklyn accent, you're branded a
"damyankee."  If you're doing business and try to play a little hardball
in negotiations, as anyone would do, but you do it with a Brooklyn
accent, you are branded a "damyankee."

This is from first hand experience.

I've taken my money and run... so I guess that makes me a "G-D damned
Yankee!"  :-)

>For example, saying things like the following will not endear 
>you to others:
>
>"We know how to eat Chinese food in New York.  We never use a
>fork, we always use chopsticks."

This is funny.  I never used these types of phrases but have heard
others say things like this.  I agree, if you liked where you're from so
much, then why did you leave?  But it is more of an issue in the
south.  I used to work for a large company in midtown Manhattan that
employed all types--even southeners!  :-)  These southerners used to
complain all the time on how North Carolina was like this or they can do
that in Georgia or this is how it was in Tennessee.  Most of us just
said, "this is how we do it in New York.  You don't like it?  F*ck you!"
and not make a bigger issue out of it (I love New York elegance! :-).
-- 
scott barman			| <This space intentionally left blank>
scott@asd.com			|
 (I can barely speak for myself, you expect me to speak for my employer??)
From: gcook@horus.cem.msu.EDU (Greg Cook|xxxxxx)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Ads for working at home
Date: 13 Jan 93 02:48:50 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: horus.cem.msu.edu

From article <93012.155524F0O@psuvm.psu.edu>, by <F0O@psuvm.psu.edu>:
>    I called one of the ads in the our paper today which said you could
> make between $300-$500 week by doing assembly work in your home.  This
> company said they would send me a catalog which would cost me $49.95,
> with over 230 different companies which offered work at home jobs.  They
> said I would get my money back on the catalog if I was not satisfied with
> it.
>    I've not pulled out my card and ordered yet, but it does sound ok if
> the claims they make are true.  I saw a previous poster mention that
> many of these places are scams.  Has anyone else ever tried this, and if
> so, is it worth it?

Tim,

They are not in the business of assembling products.  They are in the
business of selling catalogs.  i.e. - it's a scam.  Why in the world
would they pay you $300-500 a week to assemble products at home when
they could hire local people for half that?

BTW, many of the "stuffing envelopes" ads aren't very good either.  You 
pay for the information and all you get is a letter telling you to run
an ad in a local paper, like the one you responded to, and send out
the same damn information.

Rule of thumb, if you have to pay for it, it's a scam.

DO NOT GIVE YOUR CREDIT CARD NUMBER TO THEM!

     Gregory R. Cook         |  INTERNET:    gcook@horus.cem.msu.edu
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From: loosemore-sandra@cs.yale.edu (Sandra Loosemore)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Interview situation: what happened?
Date: 9 Jan 1993 09:07:11 -0500
Organization: staff hacker @ Yale Haskell project
Distribution: usa
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In-reply-to: me@vikings.austin.ibm.com's message of Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:51:28 GMT

me@vikings.austin.ibm.com (Michael E) writes:

   o	I demonstrated thoughtfulness for others, which translates to thoughtfulness of peers
	   and CUSTOMERS.
   o	I demonstrated I knew a part of the business cultural rules, which translates to 
	   having the ability to learn/know internal business cultural rules and the cultural 
	   rules of customers.

   [Etc, Etc.....]

How about demonstrating some of that thoughtfulness for others and
knowledge of cultural rules by keeping your line width to 80 characters
or less?

-Sandra
From: rmdubash@cs.uh.edu (Rumi Dubash)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Need Address...
Date: 4 Jan 1993 16:11:57 GMT
Organization: Computer Science dept.,  Univ. of Houston (Main Campus)
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodin.cs.uh.edu

Hi Folks,
  I was wondering if any one has the address of the Human Resources/Recruiting
dept. of Matsushista Electronics (U.S.A.)
  Thanx a lot
Rumi Dubash
rdubash@geoquest.com
rmdubash@cs.uh.edu

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From: lmulcahy@nyx.cs.du.edu (Larry Mulcahy)
Subject: Re: What is essence of SUCCESS
Summary: A: getting paid
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 23:46:53 GMT

In article <EfEDuOC00WBNM2ZpMM@andrew.cmu.edu> zh00+@andrew.cmu.edu
(Zhengguo Hu) writes:

>  I was recently interviewed by a consulting company. The interviewer
>ask me the question:
>  "How would you describe the essence of success?"
>
>  This question surprised me. What are your answers?

"The customer is satisfied."  (oh yes, and I get paid).
From: douglash@meaddata.com (Douglas Holzworth)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Ethics Question
Date: 4 Jan 1993 21:40:08 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Distribution: na
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In article <9301020809.AA11708@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu>, baker-j@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (john t baker) writes:
|> 
|> I would like some opinions on the following:
|> 
|> The company I work for offers a $150bonus for proffering candidates that they
|> actually hire and stay with the company for 90 days.  I would assume that they
|> think that anyone I refer in this way I personally know their ability level.
|> My company does not have net access.  What if I post positns open to 
|> misc.jobs.offered and forward the replies I receive as referrals?  I can see
|> myself heartily increasing my salary in this way.
|> 
|> Please tell me your opinions by posting or sending email.
|> __
|> John Baker

Depends on the rationale behind the bonus.

Not ethical: if the assumption is that you know enough about the candidate to
     endorse them/recommend them.
Ethical: They don't want to do their own recruiting and are trying to save on
     headhunter/placement fees.

Warning: I suspect that sooner or later one of these candidates will spill the
beans about the posting, so don't do anything that you wouldn't want everyone
at your company to know about.

-- Doug Holzworth
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