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From: rnk@cbnews.cb.att.com (ram.n.kumar)
Subject: Si-Lay-Dai (Note: NOT See-Dai)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:25:30 GMT



Folks:

In Tamil, there is a special category of poems known as "Si-Lay-Dai"
that essentially describes two things simultaneosuly. Songs that
have multiple meanings. Is "pun" the english word for it?
I am not talking about one word or one phrase having multiple meanings,
rather about a whole poem/verse with multiple meanings.

There are quite a few of these written from SangaKalam to ThaRKalam.
Some of the old ones may not be very appealing to everyone (for example
there is a VenBa (VenPA?) that talks about both Lord Siva and Coconut using
the same set of words; I do not remember it now.).
Some of the more recent ones may seem intriguing and interesting
to most of us. I am giving below my favorite one which is not too ancient.
What about posting your favorite, if you have one?


	PettiKKuLLae SuruLum; pin Padamay Thaan Kattum
	MuttiKKondu Oduvar, Mun ParKKa; Kottagai-Yil Adum;
	Adum Pothu Nagarum; Padum ThiraiPPadam
	Thaan Pambu.

This verse talks about both movies and Cobras.

PettiKKuLLae SuruLum;
	Movie:	Refers to the film reel/tape wound on a spool and
		kept in a box
	Snake:	Refers to the snake coiled and stored in a Bamboo box
		of the PamBatti.

pin Padamay Thaan Kattum
	Movie:	Refers to the Padam (ThiraiPPadam or picture)
	Snake:	Refers to Cobra's hood.


MuttiKKondu Oduvar, Mun ParKKa; Kottagai-Yil Adum
	Same meaning. Refers to eager crowds surging forward to see the
	show. Kottai refers to the movie theater and the PamBatti's stage
	(which could be a street corner).

	Actually for PamBu, you can interpret this line in another way

	MuttiKKondu Oduvar, Mun;
	When people see a snake they get scared and run for their lives
	in a Naan-Mundhi or Nee-Mundhi manner.


	ParKKa Kottagai-Yil Adum
	Self explanatory; same as previous interpretation.

Adum Pothu Nagarum;
	Refers to the fact that the movie is run, the tape/reel moves.
	Same about cobra, too.

Padum ThiraiPPadam Thaan Pambu.
	Because of these reasons, the movie and the PamBu are the same!


I forget who the author of this verse is. Definitely I did not write it.
Are you aware of similar songs? Care to share?

Unfortuantely Si-Lay-Dai in Tamil these days seems limited
to some film songs that have an obscene second meaning, that our censor
board promptly fails to recognize.  So what about a healthy exchange of
poems on the topic of Si-Lay-Dai. What about English? Do you know of any
English (or other) poems that fall into this category?

Thanks.
Ram Kumar
From: s0169625@titan.ucc.umass.edu (anantha nageswaran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: BRAHMINS AND SACRED THREAD
Keywords: SACRED THREAD
Date: 24 Aug 92 02:32:49 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Amherst, Dept. Math & Stats

This is just an honest question. Recently my friend and I had an argument

on the subject. Is there any other reason (other than for the fact that they

are brahmins) for the brahmins to wear the sacred thread. They could very well

do the 'sanndhi' without wearing the sacred thread which was a symbol of 

Brahmin supremacy in the middle ages. Is there a special significance attached

to it? This is an honest question and not intended to start a flame war

Please reply to ganesan@thales.math.umass.edu

swami
From: vaidhyan@ecn.purdue.edu (Ramesh Vaidhyanathan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Sighappuk Kuzhanthai(Sirukathai + Villakkam).
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:46:33 GMT
Reply-To: vaidhyan@cn.ecn.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

I read a similar story ("Oru pakkak kathai" in kumudham magazine)
based on the same theme years ago. In that story, `a black slattuk
kuchchi (or palappam?) writing on a black slate to produce white
letters' is given as the 'viLakkam' for this.

BTW what are your openions on the "Oru pakkak kathaigal" which
are found now in every tamil magazine. My openion is these are
junk. Any one know how these "Oru pakkak kathai" trend started
in tamil magazines?

-Ramesh Vaidhyanathan.
From: raghu@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Raghu B)
Subject: Re: Senthil Jokes.
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:06:37 GMT

In <1992Aug25.230256.8153@coe.montana.edu> prem@cs.montana.edu (M.P.Premkumar) writes:

>Goundamani: [paadugiraar] Enakkoru magan pirappaan....

>Senthil: Avan ennaip pOlavE iruppaan.
>[Athukkappuram enna nadanthirukkumnu neengaLe yoogichiruppeenga]

>M.P.Premkumar


	Podaa Chatti thalaiya, Aduppu Vaaya, appuram enna enna solluvan.
Ellam marandhu pochaee. 
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From: balarama@cae.wisc.edu (Prabhu Balaraman)
Subject: Re: Vinayaga (Pillaiyar) Sadurthi.
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:10:15 CDT

" OK, you asked for it...

                lll
               lllll
              lllllll    = "l" urundai. :-)
              lllllll
               llllll
                llll

Arun ( very hungry ) Krishnan.    "

      ^^^^^^^^^^^^

   I can see that! A few 'l's are missing from the first two lines
   of the "l"urundai. Most original idea, though. Keep 'em coming..

  yelling for more
  PB
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From: gt4084c@prism.gatech.EDU (SRINIVASAN,K)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Tirupati, Madras etc..
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:13:53 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.tamil
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <41982@ogicse.ogi.edu> partha@mse.cse.ogi.edu (R. Parthasarathy) writes:
>T, "Neenga Paappaara
>pasanga, Thiruppathiya eduththukkittenga illa?" (You brahmins took
>over Thirupathi, right?). He used to say that Thirupathi was a Murugan
>temple and that the Vaishnavaites, during one of the emperors' time
>(I think a Vijayanagar emperor), took over the temple and converted
>it to a Vishnu temple. The points he put forward sound interesting
 I have heard the same story from others.  The supporting points were
quite convincing too.   Is anybody aware of any archeological reasearch
in this area?

There are two examples of such "god conversions" in the Coimbatore area.
The Anuvaavi Subramaniaswami Koil has a Hanuman statue and the Murugan
also has a male and a female statues with him -- suggesting Lakshmanan
and Sita but advertised as Idumban and Valli.

The Kaaramadai Ranganathar looks amazingly like a siva lingam.  An attempt
was probably made to carve a vishnu out of it: there is a cut on the top
of the statue which is explained by some story.

We complain about conversion attempts by other religions.  However, we seem
to have been busy converting gods themself to our own sub-sects-:)

-- 
SRINIVASAN,K
School of Textile Engineering   Georgia Tech.
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From: babu@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Natarajan Sureshbabu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Anti-brahmin postings
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:23:18 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

In article <1992Aug25.121834.24635@engage.pko.dec.com> thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (RT) writes:
>
>I am getting tired of replying to these postings. Will these guys stop
>especially sri-lankans like Mr Vishnu so that we can discuss some useful things
>other than these castes? 

As they say, a single hand can not create noise. 
You are a prolific poster on the issues you
are talking about. It is not the posting as 
such that creates problems, but the incredible
number of replies, most of them with no substantiated
matter in them, and you should know that you are
a big contributor in that category. Not that I 
support the views some people hold, but I would 
rather ignore the postings, than start a big flame war
on that. I could have replied to you by e-mail, but I
hope all of us understand that the group was 
created for discussing literature than to start or
propagate flame wars.

Expecting meaningful discussions from you in future,

Babu,

PS: If any of you want to flame me, please do so by e-mail
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: naik@nynexst.com (Jay Naik)
Subject: Re: ammA/appA
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 17:26:51 GMT


>From: selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering)
>Message-ID: <BtJpur.7os@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>
>          For a child it is easy to grasp a single syllable words
>          especially if it is conspicuously visible such as labial
>          sounds. The adjoining vowel "aa" is also the most natural
>          since mere opening of the mouth ( in Tamil it is called
>          "angaaththal") with little effort produces these sounds.
>          But why "pa" refers to father and not mother is probably more
>          subtle. "pa" involves more effort than "ma" and probably
>          the mothers felt it is a better word to address themeselves.
> 

	Yes, this is indeed shown to a reasonable hypothesis from various 
experiments in language acquisition (I don't have any references, there are
plenty available). A baby begins to associate sounds with objects because
of positive reinforcement, and for a number of other reasons. A mother being
the one closest to the baby responds with delight and approval when a baby
makes the 'ma ma' sounds, so perhaps the mothers had their pick! The fathers
had to settle for the 'pa pa' sounds, which came next. 
	These sounds are quite common in a wide variety of languages. Building
some sort of a grand language/ethnic  scheme around such a common set of words
is tenuous at best and rather silly.

 Cheers,
------------------------
 Jayant Naik
From: gt4084c@prism.gatech.EDU (SRINIVASAN,K)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Vinayaga (Pillaiyar) Sadurthi.
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:45:00 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <BttvD2.FtM@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> crathina@tesla.uwaterloo.ca (C Rathinavelu) writes:
>      food(Vadai-both masal and maedu,Kasa-vatral,Payasam,Chundal,
>      Kozhu-kattai,Ellurundai,fruits etc...) with family and have
>      a nice fun. Really kids will enjoy this Hindu-festival.

Anbar Rathinavelu avargaLE,

Kaalai cereal'uckum madhiya sandwich'ckum idaiyil allaadum engalucku
ippadi list poattu veRuppetruvadhu muRaidhaanaa?!

Ungal paavathirku parigaaramaaga udane ELLurundaiyaavadhu anuppi
vaickavum-:)


-- 
SRINIVASAN,K
School of Textile Engineering   Georgia Tech.
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From: thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (RT)
Subject: A reply to Prem kumar on reservation
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 14:48:46 GMT


In one of replies to this issue Mr Prem Kumar asked for evidence when I told
about reservation. Anyway I want to let the netters know that I have sent him
all details about my personal experience (it involves some personal data, that
is why I did not post in sct). Anyone who wants can get the confirmation from
Prem Kumar.

Prem Kumar also wrote than since netters did not follow up his article he
assumes that it is widely accepted. I think this may not be true. Many may
simply pass-over articles without taking time to express their views. So if
some one do not follow up my article with a different view I will not assume
that it is accepted

I will write a response to Mr Prem Kumars posting when I have time

RT

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From: prem@prem.lbl.gov (Shirdi R. Prem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Bhagavad Gita on animal sacrifice in yajnas
Date: 2 Sep 1992 18:22:49 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Reply-To: prem@prem.lbl.gov (Shirdi R. Prem)
NNTP-Posting-Host: prem.lbl.gov

In article <1992Sep2.140224.27881@unislc.uucp> sandeep@unislc.uucp (Sandeep Kulkarni) writes:
>From article <1992Sep2.093745.10395@wuecl.wustl.edu>, by sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian):
>>          Bhagavad Gita on animal sacrifice in yajnas
>I get the impression from your posting that only Brahmins/priests can perform 
>yagnas and hence are the only ones who offer sacrifices (animals).
>But I really haven't seen that depicted in Ramayana etc where they have all
>kinds of yagnas. All the yagnas just show offerings of food , ghee etc.
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
	Doesn't the Ramayana predate the Gita ?? Since the Ramavatara
	precedes the Krishnavatara..... Maybe animal sacrifice was
	something that became chic in the period between the two avatars.

	Prem!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: Animal Sacrifices in the Rig-Veda
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:34:01 GMT

  This was performed by the great Aryan king ChandraGupta
and we studied this in history.
Kathiravan.
From: partha@mse.ogi.edu (R. Parthasarathy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: SILADAI
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:11:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.42184
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute, Material Science & Engineering



It has been very interesting to read the siladaies, especially
the one one movie film and a snake. I remeber on siladai by
the famaous Kalamega pulavar. I read this long ago in Kalki.
The occasion is when the poet stayed at one Kaaththaan Chaththiram
in Nagapattinam.  When the poet was about to leave, the Chaththiram
owner requested him to compose one poem in praise of his place.
So Kalamegam recited one. It goes like this:

Kaththu kadal soozh Naagaik       |  In Nagai surrounded by roaring sea
                                  |
Kaaththan Chaththirathil          |  In Kaththaan's choultry
                                  |
Aththamikkum podil arisi varum    |  Rice will come at sunset time
                                  |
Kuththi Ulaiyilida oor adangum    |  By the time it's on the stove
                                  |  the town will be calm
Oru pidi annam ilaiyil ida        |  By the time a handful of food
                                  |  is served
Velli ezhum                       |  Sun will rise.

The chaththiram owner was baffled at hearing this. However, Kalamegam
meant differently.

Let me see how many of you can guess the actual meaning..

Partha sarathy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering)
Subject: Re: echo words
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:14:57 GMT

In article <BtM5xD.6M6@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca>, nasokan@yoho.uwaterloo.ca (Asokan) writes:
> In article <BtLvvx.CsM@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering) writes:
> [...]
> >> Unrelated memory associations:
> >> 
> >> 	kIchchu mAchchu
> >        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> >         Is it the expression used when "tickling" children ?
> >         If so, "kichchu kichchu" and  "kichcu muchchu' are also used 
> >         but these *might* not be echo words. 
> 
> Now that I think about it, I remember the pair from a nursery
> rhyme which went something like "kIchchu mAchchuth thAmbALam".
> It was in the Grade 1 Tamil reader in Sri Lanka I think.  I
> don't know the meaning in this context.  Perhaps some other
> valaignar can shed more light.  When I made the first
> posting, I assumed that the pair was used to denote the noise
> made by birds.
> 
> 
> >> 	mUlai kAlai (maybe only in TE)
> >        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> >          I'm sorry i don't know this. Does mUlai means a corner here ?
> >          Can you please give the meaning and context of this saying ?
> >          Thanks. [ it might also be a case of "pair-words" rather than
> >          echo words. ]
> 
> Yes, it means "corner".  Example usage:
> 	mUlai kAlaiyellAm thEdinEn
>     (I searched in every nook and corner)
> "kAlai" is just an echo whereas "mUlai" does have a meaning
> relevant to this context.
> 
> [...]
> 
> Regards,
> 
> - Asokan


         Yes, I understand now. I also know this "kichchi muchchu thaambaaLam"
         from my childhood. In this "kichchu muchchu" is tickling. I don't
         think it's the usual echo word in the sense that the first word
         should be a reguular word. I think it's more like onomopoetic
         ( olikuRippu) phrase ( I'm assuming this because *both* the words
         kichchu and muchcu appear to be meaning less word).


         The second example about "mUlai kAlai" is definitely a echo
         word except that the Srilankan pronounciation appears to be
         differnt from TN. In TN we say mUlai kIlayilE thEdip paar
        ( search in nook and and corner ). The "kIlai" in tamil naadu
         is equivalent to "kAlai" in Srilanka ( some subtle pun
        intended with some l/L interchange (-: )


    anbudan

    Selva Selvakumar
From: prabhu@cs.tulane.edu (Prabhu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: ammaa/appaa or appaa/ammaa :-) (was Re: ammA/appA
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:51:49 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-20573]: babylon


In article <14699@borg.cs.unc.edu>, krishnar@chopin.cs.unc.edu (Rajarama Krishnan) writes:
> 
> One thing common about several languages I have heard about is that the
> sound "pa" is associated with father and the sound "ma" is assosiated
> with mother. This is true about Tamil, English, Sankrit, Hindi and several
> other Indian and European languages. Does anyone know the reason for this?

	Surprisingly, in tuLu, the word "amme" means father and "appe" means
mother.  While so many languages apparently have other words for appaa 
and ammaa,  I do not know of any other language which uses the "pa" for mother
and "ma" for father. 

	Just my sixty-paise worth contribution..  And, for the title-change
net-police, Boooooooooo :-)

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Dept of Comp Science
Tulane University 
New Orleans

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From: sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy)
Subject: Re: pudhumaiyum piththamum
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:08:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.191115.1445@news.acns.nwu.edu> rags@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Raghavan Jayaraman) writes:
>
>I was referring to writers of Pudumaipittan era.
>
	I first thougt you mean 'our contemporaries', not Pudumaippittan era.
>
>To write about the war between Manikodi  and Ananthavikatan, I don't think
>it  is worth it.

	Yes, it is too late to discuss.
>
>To quote Sujata" Jana-ranjana pattirikaiyil illakiyam padaikka mudiyAdu
>endru oru kOOtam vidumurai-ilLAtha mattra elLA NAtkalum kaTthi kondu
>irukirathu"

	In the most recent interview (I believe), in 'Subhamangala' ,
	Sujatha himself joins this 'koottam' (Does he works seven day
	a week now? :-) ). He says, "vegu-janap
	paththirikaikaLil ilakkiyam ceyya mudiyaadhu. vENdumaanaal, 
	konjam konjam ilakkiyaththaik kadaththalaam. adhaith thaan
	naan ceydhuk koNdirukkiREn".
>
>Leeme stop at this time. There is an interesting interview with Sujata
>by 'Padigal'. I think Nagarajan once said that he would post. If he is
>not, I will post some excerpts.

	I will also post some excerpts from his Subhamangala interview after
	you or Nagarajan do.
>
>raghavan

M. Sundaramoorthy
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
From: mvishnu@morse.uwaterloo.ca (m vishnu)
Subject: Re: Animal Sacrifice in Temples
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 23:12:33 GMT

In article <Btwxtv.Byt@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (K.Srinivasan) writes:
>A recent news report in Deccan Herald says, "The traditional annual
>goat sacrifice was performed in Sri Rangam. Hundreds of goats were
>killed and the blood dripped on the Rajagopuram."
>
>Is there anybody from Sri Rangam, who know about this 'annual bali'?
>People outside never heard of this until this year.
>I can surmise on the following possibilities.
>
>1. With the opening of 'Tamil Nadu's own personal Vedic Institute' (of course
>open to all castes), more publicity is given to 'vedic' practices.
>Hope, the 'Rakshasas' interrupt the yaagam, before it advances to human bali
>Or perhaps, it is the raakshasas who are doing the 'yaagam'.

Quite a few of recent issues of "Hindu" magazines have carried articles
purporting the holy-ness of Veda.  One of them (jnaanaboomi) concluded
in one article by writing that "vEdham puthithalla puthiralla avai
punithamaanavai" (Vedas are not new, not a puzzle but they are holy).

Once the populace is convinced that Vedas are eternal and infalliable,
the stage is set for animal sacrifice and the history would be repeated.
For this reason, the populace must be reminded about the great Indian
sages who questioned the importance/relevance of Vedic rituals for one's
spiritual advancement.  That is, it should be understood clearly that
the Vedic rituals did not appeal to all the great minds of India in 
history! 

I witnessed a Vedic ritual in India, where the priest held a cow (?)
skin and pretented as if he was slaughtering it.  When the populace is 
convinced that Vedas are holy, they might no longer be satisfied with
any feign ritual and may want them to be real (ie. spill blood).  Already
the Hindu leaders both within India and outside (sankaracarya, prabupada
of ISCKON for example) have had the guts to write that the animals
sacrificed in a Vedic ritual go to heaven!

>
>2. The temple, in its desperation to find funds, permit any ritual, which
>gets money. The 'prasadham' of the 'yaagam' must have fetched very high
>prices at the Tiruchchi meat market.
>
>3. This action, though appears cruel and uncivilized, is unlikely to
>increase the number of animals killed, though.
>I am reminded of an incident which happened in Canada a few years ago.
>
>      The meat farmers were protesting the decrease of their subsidies.
>      To show their anger, they blocked some highways and slaughtered
>      some cows in the middle of the road. There were so many letters
>      and talk show phone calls, in which people said, after seeing it
>      before their eyes, they decided to stop eating meat altogether.
>
>K. Srinivasan  srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca

Killing of innocent animals for spiritual upliftment only reflects the
stupidity of the people who are perforoming/sponsoring them.  It also
reflects, in my opinion, the primitive (ie backward) nature of the Vedas.

Meenan Vishnu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: murugan-aruNagirinaathar-anupUthi
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:25:32 GMT

      thiru. ganesan avarkaL aruNagiri thirupugazh paRRi nalla
oru madal ezhuthinaar. athanaith thondarnthu kandar anupUthiyilirunthu 
(knowledge gained from experience i.e empirical)
sila paadalkaLai murugan thiruvadikE samarpikiREn.
There are 51 songs.
Please suggest corrections and correct the transliteration
for ADAMI.
1. aadum parivEl aNisEval yenap
   paadum paNiyE paNiyaa aruLvaai
   thEdum kayamaa mukanaich seruvil
   saadum thaniyaanaich sakOtharanE!

 O murukaa! brother of vinaayakaa, who killed the
elephant faced demon Gajamukaa(the guy who searched and
troubled the devas) in the battle, grant me the gift of
singing the eulogy of the dancing peacock,
vEl (spear) and the beautiful cock.


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