From: emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: I had an abortion two days ago
Date: 4 Oct 92 03:19:46 GMT
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In article <1992Oct2.195925.1206@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c164-ad@po.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero) writes:
>In article <lcotrnINN24i@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct1.213814.25101@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c164-ad@po.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero) writes:
>>>In article <1992Oct01.070324.149832@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.IBM.com writes:
>>>>In  <1992Sep30.185401.4741@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>  c164-ad@po.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero) writes:
>>>>> In article <1acr4vINNr0q@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com> regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne R

>>>>I think you're a little confused.  Nothing's being "dehumanized".  We all
>>>>know that it's a human fetus.  The point is, it's not a *child* until it's
>>>>*born*.

>>>Which allows us to say that abortion, does indeed, destroy and kill
>>>human life.

>>Yes, your correct. So what? 

>Have we been so accustomed to death that we fail to acknowledge the importance
>of human individuals?  In a way yes.  We hear in the news everyday that
>a plane crashes, 200 die.  AN earthquake happens and 1000 die.  All in all
>we say, how tragic, then go on with our lives with little concern for the
>1000.  Yes, I too have gone through this phases.  

>But are those lives any less important simply because we don't care too much
>for them?  Face it.  We don't think of those who died in the crash as John
>Doe, Julie Mansfiend, Katerina so and so.  We think of them as the 200 people
>that died, nameless faces.

>Abortion treats our fellow humans, our own children in similar fashion.  
>The value of those we abort becomes virtually set to zero.  Some would say,
>the value of those we abort is actually negative.  Let us put human life in
>a better position lest we ourselves become victims of those who look down
>upon human life.

Again, so you are killing human tissue... I don't see that as a
significant concern.

I have looked long and hard at the facts, and my conclusion is that
none of the attributes that we value as human (IMHO) exist in a z/e/f.
I value my cats more, because they are sentient creatures that can
relate to me, as I relate to them. All of the people you referred to
as dying in accidents are also sentient beings who are self aware, and
can relate to me as I can relate to them. This is what gives them value
and why we give them rights. A z/e/f has non of these attributes;
in fact, the only attribute that gives it even potential value is its
genetic code, and there is no shortage of the human genetic code in this
world. So what you are doing is putting the welfare of a potential
person (read potential, "doesn't exist yet") before the welfare of
a real live, sentient being (the pregnant woman). 

Sorry, but I don't buy it. What's more, I consider your attitude damn
cold. 

You can continue to attack the rights of people in this country if
you like. Just keep in mind that there are alot of people like me
who take those attacks very seriously, and will fight as hard as
necessary to see that you don't succeed.

Eric
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