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From: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: End of the Ace Thing
Date: 10 Nov 1992 07:13:06 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) says:

>
>I'm sure I would please many people by announcing my unsubscription to this
>newsgroup...but I know there are some people out there who have the ability
>to distinguish between a statement of opinion and a petulant little boy
>who shouldn't be allowed to use a keyboard spouting his views irresponsibly. 
>I don't think I'm guilty of the latter.  Therefore, I shall continue to
>post...but not about Ace.
>

I couldn't care less if you unsubscribe or not. I  just wish you'd learn
how to use the line editor. It's hard as hell to follow these strings with
the multiple indents. By the time I get halfway through an article, I have
no idea who thinks what anymore.

PLEASE NOTE: Drewcifer is not the only offender in this. Many, if not
most people in this forum do it.

Please take pity on my attention span and try to use the line editor
whenever possible.

Thanks much,
-- 
Bill White, aa634@Cleveland.freenet.edu OR aa037@Medina.Freenet.edu
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From: rubinoff@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Robert Rubinoff)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Seventh Doc Quality
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:46:14 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov10.121030.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au> c8643631@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Mr Flibble) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.184103.15052@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:
>> ridiculous on video.  And worst of all, the sound--I cannot tell you how
>> irritating it was to be watching the videos and constantly having to rewind
>> to understand the dialogue, which was not recorded loudly enough. 
>I had no problems understanding the dialogue. They were talking as people
>talk in real life, so if people can understand real people standing next to
>them talking then I can't see why they can't understand the dialogue on the
>TV.


The copy of the last season distributed by Lionheart in the US had serious
problems with the sound quality; it was in fact very hard to hear what people
were saying in many places. 

   Robert


Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: timelord@cs.mcgill.ca (Jeffrey JACOBS)
Subject: Re: Dr who anyone?
Summary: Most popular Doc on Tele?
Keywords: Spam, Lemming
Organization: The Query Master Syndicate.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:17:46 GMT

In article <domalley.721328842@unix1.tcd.ie> domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley)) writes:
>In <1992Nov7.161803.3073@micom.com> sarah@micom.com (Sarah Menolly/K.J. Montgomery) writes:
>
>>In article <gate.gsBuTB1w165w@infopls.chi.il.us> prisoner@infopls.chi.il.us (Pat Mondi) writes:
>
>>>... Who is the most popular Doctor on television? You are correct!
>>                ^^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^
>>Quincy!
>
>No, no, no...
>It's Doctor Kildare! ;-)

No.  You're both wrong.  It's:

Doctor McCoy.

[Or is it McCoy's Doctor?]
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From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: I like Ace, dag-nabbit! AND SO DO I
Date: 10 Nov 92 05:02:17 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Nov9.133544.20424@yang.earlham.edu> marcs@yang.earlham.edu (Marc Seebass(Thunderbolt)) writes:

>In article <1992Nov8.163226.281@rivers>, ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:

>> You're in the vast minority Drewcifer, and you keep responding to everyone's
>> posts about this too, making you a very, very vocal minority, so do us a
>> favor and quit posting about it.
>> 
>Now hold on there a bit. I agreed with much of your post, but I don't care 
>for this last line. Are you saying that people should just shut up if 
>their oppinions are in the minority? Does this mean the Catholic Church 
>was right in telling Gallelo to shut up? Do you mean to say that the First 
>Ammendment of America's constitution only applies to people in the majority?
>Well, I sorry but that is BS. Drewcifer has every right to post his 
>oppinions, though he could stand to make them more polite. Drewcifer, I 
>may not agree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it.


>----Marc Seebass

>P.S. I'm a Taurus not a Scorpio, but my grandfather use to own a Scorpio, 
>and it looked a bit like a Taurus (they're both made by Ford) :-)

Well, I could make them more polite, but the followups are ruder.  Thanks
for defending me, anyway.   Apparently some people think I only have the
right to speak if I agree with them.

Drewcifer
From: af_jone@pavo.concordia.ca (Andrew F. Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Dr. Who Pinball Game
Date: 14 Nov 92 01:11:00 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.drwho
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov3.151837.252@rivers>, ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes...
>In article <95914@netnews.upenn.edu>, kupiec@hp800.lasalle.edu (Bob Kupiec) writes:
>> Just saw a new game at the local "arcade" today.  It's the "Dr. Who"
>> pinball game made by Bally Midway (1992).  It has the 7 doctors pictured and
>> you do various things to thwart The Master.  You try to "build" a TARDIS 
>> and a transmat.  Pretty cool, but I only played twice, so I did not catch
>> all the details.  Look for it in you local arcade!
>> 
>> -- 
>> \/\  Bob Kupiec - Amateur Radio: N3MML   UUCP: (My machine is down,  )   /\/\/
>> /\/\   Internet: kupiec@hp800.lasalle.edu      (use INTERNET address.)  /\/\/\
>> \/\/\    LaSalle University, 20th St. & Olney Ave., Philadelphia, PA   /\/\/\/> /\/\/\     Self-Quote: "I'm MS-DOS free: never had it, never will."   /\/\/\/\
> 
> 
>Wicked!  Brill!  I've been waiting for this!  (I like pinball)
> 
>Is there any way to get an arcade to carry a particular pinball machine
>do you think?
> 
>Also, are there any other neat features, like sound FX from the show itself,
>Daleks, Cybermen, the theme music, UNIT, etc?
> 
>Steve/usedtobeIain
You are in luck!!!!!!!!
To give you a partial list......
Sylvester's voice (Quick Ace, here's your second chance!  and transmat stuff)
The TARDIS materialization...(One stroke for ball return, full for match score)
The TARDIS internal hum (during match score)
Davros....usual grumbling...
Daleks (You will be exterminated...etc)
The theme is very much like the one used for _The Making of Doctor Who_, the
Silver Nemisis production story.....
That's all I can remember at the moment.
It also has some video mode fun...like KILLING DALEKS!!!! (Tee-hee)
Up here in Montreal, Canada, it is configured as a 1 game $.50, 2 game $.75,
3 game $1.00 machine.  Oh, by the way, it has a dalek head on top that swings
around with the flashing lights on its head during the dalek killing mode.

Also, you can choose which Doctor is currently being used as your bonus 
selector, which can be fun.

I hope this is of some assistance!

Andrew Jones (Montreal's own Ninth Doctor [well, one of me at least! :)])
From: tellenburg@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: questions of new doctors
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:55:42 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

Hi.  This is the first time I have ever posted something on this thing.
I just have a question that I would like answered.  I heard a rumor that
there will be an eigth doctor.  Is that true?  If so, when and who?
	I have been a fan of the doctor for about eight years now.  I 
enjoy watching Tom Baker and Peter Davison the most.  Jon Pertwee is
humorous also.  I haven't seen much of William Hartley and Patrick
Troughten (mispelled, I'm sorry).  I also haven't seen, but one episode
of Sylvester.  Colin Baker is my least favorite to watch, though I like
the trial episodes.
	Hope to hear from somebody.

   TC aka Timelord Rogaenon {from one of my FASA Dr. Who campaigns}

	Jellybabies for everyone!!  8)
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The Doctor is...
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:41:29 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

> 
> Question.  Did they actually state in "Planet of the Spiders" that
> K'Anpo was THE hermit of song and story?  The only time that the hermit
> appears as himself is in "Timewyrm: Revelation", and in that one, he
> has one eye.  Maybe this can be explained away by regeneration, but
> I'd just like to know what's official.


Yes, it was said that K'Anpo was the hermit, the teacher, or whatever
you want to call him.  The guy the Doctor visited in the mountains 
of South Gallifrey behind his house.
And it was said in "Planet of the Spiders."

Glad to be of service.

Steven.K.Manfred



Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: nsmith@tms390.micro.ti.com (Neal Smith)
Subject: The Doc, the Master, and the Academy (was Re: The Doctor is...)
Organization: Texas Instruments, Houston
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:29:15 GMT


>doctor@polaris.unm.edu (Doc) writes:

>>Also, Don't anyone forget that the Doctor and the Master had the same teacher
>>at one point in their youth, but "The Master was always the Brighter one of 
>>the two."  A quote from the the Dr. Who game - I think.

xoanon@carina.unm.edu (timothy k istian soholt) writes:

>However, there is a bit from "The Sea Devils" which supports your
>It goes something like this (the underlined portion I'm almost com-
>pletely sure is accurately quoted, the rest probably isn't):
>     JO:     (referring to the Master) You feel sorry for him,
>             don't you?
>     DOCTOR: He and I go back a long way, Jo. In fact, you might
>                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  
>             almost say we were at school together.
>             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>-- Tim Soholt (xoanon@carina.unm.edu)
>(I was beginning to wonder if I was the only person at UNM
>reading the newsgroups!)

Actually, there's an even clearer reference in _The_Five_Doctors_, when
the 1st Doctor and Tegan see the Master enter the tower.  The Doctor 
doesn't recognize the Master (we know that's not his original body, but
since I always thought that Ainley and Delgado looked a lot alike, I've
often wondered if Ainley wasn't the Master's first incarnation, but I
digress...), and asks who he is.  The Master replies, "Believe it or not,
we went to the Academy together."

Of course, many people ignore the 5 Docs because of the excess of
YATI's in it.  Myself, I really liked it as a story, but I had to grit
my teeth and try hard to ignore the YATI's.

- Neal
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From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: McCoys portrayal of the Doctor
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:04:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: rivers.1992Nov6.220420.276
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

> 
>>Ace, on the other hand, has always had a consistent characterization, and
>>I _know_ sixteen- and seventeen-year-olds (at my sister's high school) who
>>have exactly that kind of "I've never had no mum and dad" attitude and
>>quick temper.  And best of all, she and Sylvester have developed exactly the
>>kind of mentor-student relationship that they tried and failed with Adric.
> 
> Note: sixteen or seventeen year olds.  Wasn't that her mum who was a baby in
> WWII?  How old does this make Ace?
> 

Audrey is born in 1943, Ace is 16 years old in 1987 (given to us in 
"Dragonfire," this is canon), so Ace was born in 1971, giving Audrey
28 years to get to child-bearing age.


Also, did you know that Sophie Aldred was _25_ when she got the part,
thus 27 by "Survival," and now 30?

Steven.K.Manfred
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: I like Ace, dag-nabbit!  AND SO DO I
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:28:24 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <1992Nov9.133544.20424@yang.earlham.edu>, marcs@yang.earlham.edu (Marc Seebass(Thunderbolt)) writes:
> In article <1992Nov8.163226.281@rivers>, ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
> 
>> You're in the vast minority Drewcifer, and you keep responding to everyone's
>> posts about this too, making you a very, very vocal minority, so do us a
>> favor and quit posting about it.
>> 
> Now hold on there a bit. I agreed with much of your post, but I don't care 
> for this last line. Are you saying that people should just shut up if 
> their oppinions are in the minority? Does this mean the Catholic Church 
> was right in telling Gallelo to shut up? Do you mean to say that the First 
> Ammendment of America's constitution only applies to people in the majority?
> Well, I sorry but that is BS. Drewcifer has every right to post his 
> oppinions, though he could stand to make them more polite. Drewcifer, I 
> may not agree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it.



Certainly.  You are absolutely correct, but that was not what I meant
in the first post.  I meant that it is a little unfair of Drewcifer to 
continue to post his objections to Ace CONTINUALLY as it makes it look
as though he is in the majority (by having more messages on his side on
the net, all posted by him) when in actuality he isn't.  This is one of
the reasons I eventually stopped posting in the "Mawdryn Undead" argument,
even though I did have a few people on my side.  The consensus was coming
down against me, so I shut up about it (after I had thrown every argument
I had against them).  Drewcifer just seems to keep repeating the same
objections over and over.  If he were to come up with some other, more
original, reasons for disliking Ace, then that wouldn't be so bad.

Perhaps it has something to do with my intense dislike for cliches.
Seeing Drewcifer just say exactly the same thing over and over again just
gets my juices flowing.


> 
Steven.K.Manfred
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Logopolis title theory
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:09:20 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <BxKt1p.8vs@hfglobe.intel.com> hilp@hfglobe.intel.com (Robin Rosenbaum) writes:

>In article <Bx5C8x.6A3@newcastle.ac.uk> G.M.Suddes@newcastle.ac.uk (Gareth Suddes) writes:
>>
>> Here's a theory ....
>>
>>      the LOGO of the POLIS.            TA-DA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>> Coinicidence? Can anyone shed any more light on how Christopher H. Bidmead
>>came up with the title?
>>
>> So if my theory holds, what does CASTROVALVA and FRONTIOS have to do with the
>>content of their stories??

>A quick (note, quick) scrounge through the dictionary and Latin and Greek
>textbooks yields the following alternatives:

>  Logopolis:  City of Discourse; City of Study ... The Logopolitans "mutter".
>	      :-) I think I prefer the Logo of the Polis idea.
>  Castrovalva:  Cut into small pieces and rolled or wrapped up ... that does
>		kind of describe what happened to Castrovalva.
>  Frontios:  On the very edge (or limit) ... Wasn't Frontios a planet on the
>	     farthest edge of the galaxy, inhabited by the last of the humans?
>	     (been a while since I watched that one)

>The Castrovalva design looks like M.C.Escher art, IMHO.  Was "Castrovalva"
>something he drew?

>And, anyway, would the authors etc. of Dr. Who *really* have gone into all
>that etymology for their titles?

>Robin Hilp  rosenrob@ccm.hf.intel.com
>"All most of us get is Mind that bus, What bus, Splat."
>Beliefs, opinions, and attitudes expressed herein are mine.

yes, I think they might very well have done that very thing.  Note that your
search through the dictionary was quick...maybe theirs was too.  And yes, I
think it is an Escher painting....

Drewcifer
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: GGPERRY@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU (ggreg)
Subject: complex stories
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:59:38 GMT

one reason i love dr. who so much:   the literary quality of writing.
watching a really good dr. who episode is like reading a good book.  all
the characters are well developed, the stories are well fleshed out and
very substantial.  when a show is over, i feel like i do when i've just
read a good novel.  and i rarely get that feeling from anything on tv or
movie screens!  especially something known as st:ng.  give me a break!
not only do i have almost every episode figured out in the first five minutes,
but i remember all the commercials more than the show!  why doesn't st:ng
hire all those out of work dr. who writers?  hell, i've seen better sf on
northern exposure!   sorry, i shouldn't even be mentioning this crass crap
on this list, but with everyone around me raving about how great st:ng is, and
complaining how long and boring dr. who is, well i guess people today just don'
t read much anymore.  they have no idea of the complex world and sensation
you can get from reading a good book, something, as i've mentioned earlier,
dr. who also gives me.  and only dr. who.  sorry for the tirade.  'tis just
that i really love sf (DR. WHO) and not watered down, puerile(sp?) sci-fi
(st:ng)  end of rant!!      -ggreg
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Subject: Re: McCoy
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 23:10:19 GMT

In <1992Nov6.135135.266@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:

>> 
>> 	Off the McCoy topic, I was just wondering if anyone else notice how
>> the series seemed to lack something after the sonic screwdriver was destroyed
>> in "The Visitaion"?
>> -- 
>> 			     ---David---
>> 			perl@acsu.buffalo.edu
>> 
>> "If I knew everything that was going to happen, where would all the fun be."


>Yes, David, I did notice something lacking after the sonic screwdriver
>was destroyed in "the Visitation," and I'm surprised somebody else saw
>it too.  After "The Visitation," the show lacked the sonic screwdriver!
>Makes you think, eh?

>Steven.K.Manfred


Jeez!  Intolerant, aren't we?

Drewcifer
From: 1-1@tardis.cojones.com (Peter W. Losher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: RE: Caves of Androzani
Date: 5 Nov 92 01:23:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: tardis.a2wwcp5


 Regarding Message : RE: CAVES OF ANDROZANI
 Written By        : doug.vermes%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Doug Vermes)

> Well, you'd have to figure that even if that were the case, the queen
> bat wouldn't just have enough milk to fill one small vial. Even if the
> Doctor was trying to be nice to Peri, he'd fill the vial first. But in
> all reality, he'd STILL (after filling the vial) see if there was any
> more milk (which undoubtedly there was), and then drink some himself.

     . . . But wouldn't he fill the vial, drink it up and then fill it up again
to give to Peri . . . That would sound more logical, but then in Doctor Who . .
. "What Is Logical?" . . . 

Peter W. Losher
1-1@tardis.cojones.com

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From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Missing episode list needs to be posted
Date: 11 Nov 92 10:41:58 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <thp1l4g@rpi.edu>, danaf@rs6405.ecs.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:
> In article <1992Nov5.124506.263@rivers>, ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
> |> In article <Bx7zKE.8K9@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jasstev@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (stevens jason) writes:
> |> 
> |> THE MISSING EPISODES  (by story names only)
> |> 
> |> FIRST DOCTOR - WILLIAM HARTNELL
> |> 
> |> Season Four
> |> 	The Smugglers (all 4)
> 
> Aren't we being optimistic, removing The Tenth Planet?   8)
> 


No, I don't think so.  Its return to the Archives has been confirmed and
even though the quality is a little dubious, it IS back....


> 
> |> Steve.K.Manfred
> 
> -- 
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> (718)             (212)                        (516)             (518)
> =======Amiuser============Frank R. Dana, Jr.============Doc Ami=======     
> --------My opinions rarely reflect those of any sane person,----------
> 	   living, dead, or undead... that's gonna CHANGE.


Steven.K.Manfred
From: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Subject: regenerations???
Reply-To: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:10:33 EST

Here's my guesses:

        1.  You can still tell, genetically, that it is the Doctor, so
DNA must not change very much, or there must be some kind of DNA
"signature" that still follows the 1st incarnation's pattern.  I'd say
FACETS of personality change, but the complete personality is NOT
overwritten.  We have never seen a cross-gender regeneration, and I do
not think this is possible, although there is no evidence to support
this belief.

        2.  The TARDIS is a mathmatical construction, the controls
included, and can be "reconfigured" by the Doctor quickly and easily to
suit his tastes.  The First Doctor might not have done any reconfiguring
when he stole the TARDIS----he didn't really know how to use it that
well.  My guess is, as the Doctor "improves" with age, he takes more and
more of the machine's controls off "automatic" and adds them to the
controls he can set.  This might explain the Seventh Doctor's uncanny
precision with the TARDIS as well.
--
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World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: labaks@emory.edu (Abraham Song)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Tardis ASCII Pictures Wanted.
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:21:38 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3


Please post to the news group.


:) thanks

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