HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: relocation
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:33:06 GMT
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Nov12.221353.10794@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, rjones@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Randolph M. Jones) writes:
=What's all this I keep reading about facism?  I think that it's wrong to judge
=a person just on their facial features, ignoring any other parts of their
=bodies.  Hands and feet can be very important indicators of a person's
=character.

How can anybody doubt that California is a fascist state?  Just look at the
most prominent decorative motif on the state capitol building:  fasces. 
Repeated over and over again.
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Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: dks@sr.com (Dave K. Sprow)
Subject: Re: relocation
Reply-To: dks@srhqla.UUCP (Dave K. Sprow)
Organization: Silent Radio, Los Angeles
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:41:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.201201.19306@netcom.com> ssturgis@netcom.com (Scott Sturgis) writes:
>>
>>	California has two liberal women senators.  We are only allowed
>>two senators, so 100% of our senators are liberal women.
>
>Feinstein is actually quite conservative.
>>
>I think we may see a change in the definitions of the terms liberal and
>conservative over the next few years. As one analyst commented the other
>day .. "The Liberal Republican doesn't' exist anymore."
>Labels are such fun aren't they.
>
>I would be interested to hear about the turnout in the precints across the
>state. Mine was reporting an 82%-85% turnout. How did others do?
>
>
I *believe* I remember LA County bveing in the mid-seventies.

David S.



Newsgroups: alt.california
From: hlee@nyx.cs.du.edu (Henry Lee)
Subject: Help requested - city map of Berkeley, CA
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 06:43:54 GMT

I'm planning on heading down to Berkeley for about a week
in mid-December.  May I ask where I can find a city map of Berkeley?
Better yet, if something like it is included with a map of
San Francisco -or- the East Bay Area, help along those lines would
be of great help as well.

Thanks in advance,
Henry Lee

Newsgroups: alt.california
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: relocation
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 00:41:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.192202.21384@netcom.com> ekman@netcom.com
(Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear) writes:
>Ronald Reagan was assassinated during his first term.  What you saw
>after that was a rubber suit made by Walt Disney, which various people
>took turns wearing.

Wow!  I'm impressed.
I guess the technology was not there when Kennedy died.

>How would you know the difference?

The Turing test?
Put the thumb screws to Nancy?

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
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Newsgroups: alt.california
From: donb@crash.cts.com (Donald Bowen)
Subject: Re: relocation
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:04:51 GMT

	Remember that the John Birch Society was formed in Orange County.
California has always had its conservative side but it is now more polarized
than ever before.  Sure we had Ray Gun as a gov but he was followed by
moonbeam.  The duke took lessons from Bush in how to do nothing and let brown
run amuck.  This let petee start his run for pres from the calif gov seat.
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Term Limits, NOT (was Re: relocation)
Date: 13 Nov 1992 07:25:27 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <23887@galaxy.ucr.edu>, judson@watserv.ucr.edu (Michael Judson) writes:
=I whole heartedly agree.  I voted 'No' on the term limits initiative.  As
=someone said earlier, if the people want to vote into office a person 6, 7,
=8, or how ever many times that they want, then they should be allowed to do
=so.  I would agree with the term limits for Presidents because that is
=giving one person too much power if he is elected more than twice.  Even if
=the people want it (as in with FDR's case), it still should not be allowed  
=because the country, the constitution, was founded on the grounds of a  
=non-monarchical rule.  However, for Senators and Representatives, I see
=nothing wrong with unlimited terms because they are not inherently vested  
=anywhere near as much power as the President.

My point was simply that, if we're going to impose term limits, the rational
way to do it is the same way we imposed term limits on state offices:  Enact an
amendment that limits the terms of ALL members of the legislative body in
question.  In the case of the state offices, we limited the terms of all state
senators and assemblymen, not just those from a few districts.  Rather than a
handful of states throwing away any chance for seniority in the Congress
piecemeal, it would've made more sense to push for a Constitutional amendment
imposing such limits.
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Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: relocation
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 17:36:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.041657.5216@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
twlane@nyx.cs.du.edu writes:
>Ronald Reagon started out as a low grade actor and a fascist McCarthyist.
...
>At best president Reagon was a senile, doddering old fool.

Yeah, ... not a bad assessment. 8^)

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
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Newsgroups: alt.california
From: ekman@netcom.com (Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear)
Subject: Re: relocation
Organization: Home for the Terminally Infirm
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:22:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.173601.17637@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.041657.5216@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
>twlane@nyx.cs.du.edu writes:
>>Ronald Reagon started out as a low grade actor and a fascist McCarthyist.
>...
>>At best president Reagon was a senile, doddering old fool.
>
>Yeah, ... not a bad assessment. 8^)

Ronald Reagan was assassinated during his first term.  What you saw
after that was a rubber suit made by Walt Disney, which various people
took turns wearing.  How would you know the difference?
-- 
Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear              ekman@netcom.com
Home for the Terminally Infirm, Redwood City, California
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: danco@titan.ucc.umass.edu (DANIEL F COHEN)
Subject: Re: Help requested - city map of Berkeley, CA
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:59:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.064354.29630@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> hlee@nyx.cs.du.edu (Henry Lee) writes:
>I'm planning on heading down to Berkeley for about a week
>in mid-December.  May I ask where I can find a city map of Berkeley?
>Better yet, if something like it is included with a map of
>San Francisco -or- the East Bay Area, help along those lines would
>be of great help as well.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Henry Lee
>

Unless things have changed since I last lived in SF, by far the best map of
area, Berkeley included, is the bus & subway map put out by the Muni.
Should be available damn near anywhere.

--Dan//too far East


Newsgroups: alt.california
From: CSMSETS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: LA<-->San Diego Too far too commute?
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:42:36 PST

In article <Bx8KFx.IEy.1@cs.cmu.edu>,
maf+@cs.cmu.edu (Michael Franzini) writes:

>
>I am moving to Los Angeles, and there are several companies
>in San Diego which work in areas of interest to me.  Would it
>be unreasonable to commute between the two cities?  Do many
>people do it?  Can it be done easily by train?  By car?
>About how long is the commute?

Hi Mike, 
  I would say you're crazy for commuting from S.D. to L.A. but I
work with people (2 of them) that run that commute and (two) people
that commute from Lancaster and one person that commutes from San
Bernadino. So, yes people do it but I wouldn't. They all leave home
around 4-5 in the morning and leave work 3-3:30 in the afternoon
to get home between 6-7. They claim they have time to eat, and
go to sleep to start it all over again the next day (now do you
know why I say its crazy? If not it may be the life for you).
       Good luck,
          --Ed
From: rblewitt@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Richard Blewitt)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: relocation
Date: 9 Nov 92 08:16:41 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Nov6.111453.18851@gdr.bath.ac.uk> mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf) writes:
>In the referenced article, steiny@steiny.com (Don Steiny) writes:

>>	Pete Wilson seems pretty liberal to me.    He is pro-choice and more.

>It all depends where you are coming from.  If you are looking at it from
>the point of view of the Christian right, Pat Buchanan is conservative,
>Pete Wilson is liberal, and Ted Kennedy is a socialist.  But if you
>look at it from the point of a European Social Democrat, Ted Kennedy is
>conservative, Pete Wilson is arch-conservative, and Pat Buchanan is 
>a fascist.

And of course, if you're looking at it from an average, midwestern
American, Pat Buchanan is a fascist, Pete Wilson is a moderate, and
Ted Kennedy is a Kennedy who deserves to be shot :)

Rick

-- 
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From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: relocation
Date: 8 Nov 92 16:56:34 GMT
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <40698@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, rblewitt@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Richard Blewitt) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.201201.19306@netcom.com> ssturgis@netcom.com (Scott Sturgis) writes:
>
>>>	California has two liberal women senators.  We are only allowed
>>>two senators, so 100% of our senators are liberal women.
>>
>>Feinstein is actually quite conservative.
>
>Only when compaired to Boxer.  The word to describe Feinstein is
>moderate.  

But what difference does it make?  By limiting their terms, we've guaranteed
they'll never get enough seniority in Congress to make any difference.
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Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: largeman@aol.com (Beefta LargeMan)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Help requested - city map of Berkeley, CA
Date: 13 Nov 92 20:06:20 GMT
Followup-To: alt.california
Distribution: usa
Organization: HeadGuy Software

In article <1992Nov7.064354.29630@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, hlee@nyx.cs.du.edu
(Henry Lee) wrote:
> 
> I'm planning on heading down to Berkeley for about a week
> in mid-December.  May I ask where I can find a city map of Berkeley?
> Better yet, if something like it is included with a map of
> San Francisco -or- the East Bay Area, help along those lines would
> be of great help as well.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Henry Lee

Berkeley/Oakland/Alameda County city & surrounding areas maps are available
in auto-parts stores (i.e.,Grand Auto), bookstores (Cody's, etc), AAA (on
University Ave), Cost-Co (membership store), Thrifty Drug, and many other
places. 
Ask any real estate agent. 
Or try the yellow pages when you get here

They aren't hard to find.
From: cicero@hotcity.COM (Andreas Locicero)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Car Registration and Insurance
Date: 7 Nov 92 13:52:07 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Nov3.075456.21405@netcom.com>, ssturgis@netcom.com (Scott
Sturgis) writes:
>>>Well there is the $300 "environmental impact fee" that they assess if your
car
>
>>>doesn't have a sticker under the hood saying that it meets CA emmissions. 
>>>(This has nothing to do with passing the smog test (about $35 every 2 years)
>>>mind you.  Your car will probably pass that if it is in good running order,
bu
>t
>>>to avoid this fee you must have a "California Car" with the appropriate
>>>certificate sticker under the hood.)
>
>>A recent court ruling (finished after >14 years) decided that higher charges 
>>for registration for cars coming into California was unconstitutional due
>>to its interference on insterstate commerce.  So, ask about this!
>>
>Thats interesting .. when I moved in 3 years ago I was charged $300 for
>the envoronment impact fee. My car had the sticker but they shower me the
>law that said that ALL new vehicles would pay this 'smog impact fee' This
>went into effect in 1990
>
>

Hmm, sounds like you were reamed.  As it was explained to me, any car with the
sticker should have been exempt.  But I got the impression that the law was not
well understood or even evenly enforced.  ie. I know people who brought cars in
and didn't pay.

On the previous topic, that new ruling (as I understand it) refers to a
different charge, an excise tax on CA residents who buy cars "abroad."  The 300
dollar "impact fee" is for non-residents who move here and bring their cars. 
(primarily anyway) and is not affected by this ruling.

A.J. LoCicero >> cicero@hotcity.com

The opinions expressed above ARE those of my employer!
This message comes to you from beautiful Morgan Hill, California, U.S.A.:
The front line in the war against suburbanization!
From: lefty@apple.com (Lefty)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: relocation
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:59:03 GMT
Followup-To: alt.california
Organization: Our Lady of Heavy Artillery

In article <1djthvINN44r@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, fuzzface@cats.ucsc.edu (Aaron
Priven) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Nov6.111453.18851@gdr.bath.ac.uk> mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf) writes:
> > Please be sure who you are attacking and for what!
> 
> Why is it necessary to attack anybody?

You're new around here, aren't you?

--
Lefty (lefty@apple.com)
C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: rjones@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Randolph M. Jones)
Subject: Re: relocation
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:13:53 GMT

What's all this I keep reading about facism?  I think that it's wrong to judge
a person just on their facial features, ignoring any other parts of their
bodies.  Hands and feet can be very important indicators of a person's
character.

What's that?  Oh...never mind.
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Orange County, LA and S.D. Police Dept
From: Steve_Grant@kcbbs.gen.nz (Steve Grant)
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:14:19 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

Hello,
     Can some kind soul who lives in any of these areas please get me 
the fax numbers for any of the following ploice depts, you may have 
to ring them to get it, I dunno if they are listed. I would prefer the 
fax number of the public relations dept. If you are reading this and 
live in any of the following areas PLEASE help.

     Thanks Very much -

     Steve Grant
From: judson@watserv.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Term Limits, NOT (was Re: relocation)
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:14:29 GMT

In article <1djgs2INN7gh@gap.caltech.edu> carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J  
Lydick) writes:
> In article <40698@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, rblewitt@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Richard Blewitt)  
writes:
> >In article <1992Nov5.201201.19306@netcom.com> ssturgis@netcom.com (Scott  
Sturgis) writes:
> >
> >>>	California has two liberal women senators.  We are only allowed
> >>>two senators, so 100% of our senators are liberal women.
> >>
> >>Feinstein is actually quite conservative.
> >
> >Only when compaired to Boxer.  The word to describe Feinstein is
> >moderate.  
> 
> But what difference does it make?  By limiting their terms, we've guaranteed
> they'll never get enough seniority in Congress to make any difference.

I whole heartedly agree.  I voted 'No' on the term limits initiative.  As
someone said earlier, if the people want to vote into office a person 6, 7,
8, or how ever many times that they want, then they should be allowed to do
so.  I would agree with the term limits for Presidents because that is
giving one person too much power if he is elected more than twice.  Even if
the people want it (as in with FDR's case), it still should not be allowed  
because the country, the constitution, was founded on the grounds of a  
non-monarchical rule.  However, for Senators and Representatives, I see
nothing wrong with unlimited terms because they are not inherently vested  
anywhere near as much power as the President.

--

judson@watserv.ucr.edu
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: boltz@chopin.psu.edu (Mark Boltz)
Subject: Re: german beer
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 14:52:30 GMT

Define "real" German beer?  Ok...how about any beer that comes from Germany?
(Not to be a smart-a.. or anything, but that's about right.)  Austrian beer
is from Austria, Canadian beer is from Canada and American beer is from cow-
...well, I'll save the opinions.

------------------------                        ------------------------------
boltz@vivaldi.psu.edu                         The Pennsylvania State University
"Buster" Boltz, Toonster Extraordinare                "...no relation"
"Dost thou not know, my son, with how little wisdom the world is governed?"
					Count Oxenstierna (1583-1654)
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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: deboer@lri.jur.uva.nl (Peter de Boer)
Subject: Re: Belgian beers are best!! 
Organization: Social Science Informatics
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:09:11 GMT

Dear Wilgenhof,

I must say I disagree about the fact that Duvel tastes of bananas, in fact I
do consider it an insult to the Emperor beer Duvel. But let's cut the grap.
Where trying to start a good discussion here about the Belgian beers in
general. Let's stick to the trappist beers for a moment. There are  few in 
Belgium : Westmalle, Leffe, Orval, Chimay, Rochefort and Duvel.
Rochefort is a beer which comes in 3 different ways: 6, 8 and 10, the labels
are of different colors. Yellow = 6, Green = 8 and Blue = 10. These numbers
don't stand for the alcohol percentage. This beer contains a lot of yeast so
be careful when you pour it. The blue 10 contains 12.3 percent alcohol, try
this one first, allthough it will be very difficult to purchase even in
Belgium. 
============================================================================
deboer@jur.lri.uva.nl
From: ubacw00@ucl.ac.uk (Mick Farmer)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Advice for a Yank goin' to London
Date: 4 Nov 92 23:54:45 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

Hi,

English beers, served at cellar temperatures, can be
difficult for foreigners to taste.  My advice is to go to a
pub serving a wide range of draught beers and sampling them.

If you try contacting me when in London (Mick Farmer, 071
631 6351), then I'll point you in the direction of good pubs
in the area where you're staying.  We may even get to meet
for a few pints!

Regards,

Mick
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: jbunn@seanews.akita.com (John E Bunn)
Subject: Simpatico
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News + Mail
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 08:32:26 GMT

I was drinking Simpatico about 5 to 6 years ago in central Illinois...
The flashy black bottle sure was cool...  Was it south of the border?
Hmmm... makes me wonder...  Iowa makes alot of sense....  I want my
money back.........

--
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From: kentheri@starbird.WPI.EDU (Kenneth Merri Theriault)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Mead?
Date: 13 Nov 1992 18:41:30 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
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Originator: kentheri@starbird.WPI.EDU


	I was wondering if any one knows where I could buy mead?

  Ken Theriault


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