From: StarWatcher@uiuc.edu (StarWatcher)
Subject: Re: Useless Bots
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Organization: UIUC Actuarial Science Program
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:29:04 GMT
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dougmc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Doug McLaren) writes:
: StarWatcher@uiuc.edu writes:
: >Then the channel would not be a reasonably "open" one.  Is there a way
: >to code a bot to "invite all people except those who have been jerks
: >on this channel before, or who have harassed regular channel users
: >in /msg's under various nicks"?  That kind of bot would, IMHO, be too
: >cumbersome to write and maintain to be practical.
: Not difficult at all ...

[description of a bot with different access levels for #hottub regulars
elided]

That kind of bot would be no problem, I agree.  However, let me show
you the lines that preceeded my question:

StarWatcher@uiuc.edu writes:
:asamonte@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Just some loser...) writes:
::StarWatcher@uiuc.edu writes:

::>I don't see any problems with bots with invite/op
::>lists of 50-60 people for one "regular" channel, especially if the bot
::>is being updated fairly frequently, and if the human channel ops are
::>willing to let new people on channel fairly regularly.   The bots in between
::>*shrug* I haven't had to deal with them.
::Your main argument for the robot is for invite purposes?  Then why doesn't
::it jsut do that instead of oping people?  What's the point there?

also, after my question I explained some of the problems of having an invite-
only channel without a bot that opped at least some channel regulars.

After going back and thinking about it, and after reading your article, 
I do admit that a bot could be written to do more detailed channel managing
(/inviting all, and allowing trusted channel regulars to maintain a bot's 
no-invite list and have the bot /kick offensive users off channel), but
that still doesn't address some of the difficulties of having a major
invite-only channel without having an op-bot: what to do if, through
some combination of the invite-bot (if any), net.death, ops signing
off without spreading op, and/or having away ops, you are left with 
the invite-only channel being (essentially) op-less.

Yes, it can be handled.  But life is certainly a heckuvalot easier
on invite-only channels with invite and op-bots...as opposed to
just invite bots, or no bots at all.

The point of my past couple of articles being: many of the op-bots are
NOT useless bots....if they are banned from irc, there will prolly be
a lot of cyborgs (human ircers with bot scripts in their .ircrc's)
popping up all over the net.

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