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From: dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Religion and morals
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:09:14 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada

In article <pavenant.7.718872479@dos-lan.cs.up.ac.za> pavenant@dos-lan.cs.up.ac.za (Paul Avenant) writes:
>To some extent, our post-Christian western world is increasingly run
>on this rational moralilty. I would see the rise in divorce,
>abortion, euthenasia, financial wheeling and dealing, political
>opportunism, environmental irresponsibility, indifference to poverty
>etc. are all based on this "as long as its OK for me" morality. It
>seems to me to be the *logical* consequence of rejecting God as the
>basis of morality.

When did the Western world become post-Christian?  Which world am I
living in?  When were financial wheeling and dealing, political
opportunism, environmental irresponsibilty, and indifference to
poverty ever not problems?  The only one of these that may not have
been a visible problem until recently, is environmental irresponsibilty,
but that's only because never before have there been so damn many
of us, and never before have we had the technology to make a visible
impact on our environment.

As for divorce and euthanasia, these make perfect rational sense.
Can you give any rational reason for why people who no longer enjoy
each others company should spend the rest of their lives together,
or why somebody who's quality of life is near nil should be forced
by modern technology to extend a life of pain and helplessness?
Abortion is another issue, but I won't start that here.
--
Doug Graham          Unk, the big trouble with dumb bastards is that they
dgraham@bnr.ca       are too dumb to believe there is such a thing as being
My own opinions.     smart.    --Kurt Vonnegut from _The Sirens of Titan_
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
From: bittrolff@evans.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Proof that Colleen is not the One True God!
Keywords: COLLEEN IS NOT GOD
Reply-To: bittrolff@evans.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:19:28 GMT


|>>The request is to prove that Colleen is not a god.
|>	She is afraid of her demise
|>	From the dead she cannot rise


AH! But already has She risen! For first, I knew Her not, and She was as dead to 
me, and then, yea and verily, She was revealed to me in all Her Glory, and Power,
and Wisdom, and came alive, and was resurrected. (And She has hung around for
more than 3 days, beating some other pseudo gods that shall remain nameless).

And She could do it again if She wanted, but it's probably such a drag to be dead
that I don't expect her to.

And so it was writteneth, and became the Truth, that the Almighty Colleen has 
rissenth from the state of deceasediosity.

Or:

She was dead
Her disciples said,
But now She's alive
and we must strive
to brighten the sheen
of the Great Colleen.

The one true first disciple of Colleen
Steve
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: To All Truth Seekers!
From: kmagnacca@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:17:01 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <1992Oct9.163435.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
> In article <1992Oct9.150735.23962@cs.tulane.edu>, goff@intruder.navo.navy.mil (Victoria Goff) writes:
> 
> Oh, no, not the Intruder again...

   Isn't this the same person who showed up last year, and
there was a big argument over whether it was actually her
posting or someone breaking into her account?

Karl
From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (Wild Child)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: soc.religion.christian is moderated.
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:59:31 GMT
Organization: University of South Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: sirius.itd.adelaide.edu.au
Originator: daemon@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au

In article <1992Oct08.203819.1108@convex.com>, tonyp@convex.com (honey bunny) writes:
> I tried to post something, and it won't let me.

Must have been something particularly abusive. The moderator just recently
passed an article of mine (Master & serf, if anybody's interested). They
know I am an atheist, I said so in a couple of previous posts there.
Mine were not exactly friendly, but not abuive rants either.

> Soc.religion.christian is MODERATED!

I knew that!

> I don't believe it!
NMP
> On second thought, I shouldn't be surprized: That says it all,
> doesn't it: 
> 
>     As usual, Christianity is censoring postings that they don't
>     want you to see - and keeping their people in the dark, as they
>     usually do. 
What was your post - stick it here for us to read & comment.

> I have a good mind to over ride their moderation. If I could post
> without my company's name appearing, I would.
> 
> --
>     Tony J. Podrasky             BIBLE : 
>      San Diego , Ca                       BUY BULL ? 
>     tonyp@convex.com                                  ( NO ) 
> QSL? QRU? QRZ? QLZ? QFA?                                      BYE, BULL !
Love the sig. My favourite is:
"First the tooth fairy, then easter bunny, followed by Santa, and finally ___.
Fill the blanks. Why is it so many are too scared to complete the last step.?"

Anyway, here's my philosphical contribution. I made it up, but sorry
if I step on someone's copyrighted toes! (who who!???)
Those who belive in an afterlife won't be dissapointed.

-- 
John J McVey, Whyalla, Uni S. Australia    9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au
Electronic Engineering student & Terror Tekkie!
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#! rnews 1242
From: 9211116j@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy
Subject: Re: Brain and Mind (was: Logic and God)
Date: 14 Oct 92 09:52:59 +0930
Organization: University of South Australia

Gary Forbis writes:
 
> I suspect that for consciousness to arise, there must be some synchronization
> between the entity being conscious and the thing about which the entity is
> conscious.  That is to say, it seems unlikely to me that an entity will be
> conscious of events which cannot be presented to it within the natural time
> scale of its recognition.  Events may be so short that the entity only
> perceives spurious events of no consequence.  Events may be so long that the
> entity only perceives stability.

This surely applies to animals with "processing" capabilities much
short of consciousness. An animal which doesn't quite make the grade
gets eaten :-).

Q. Would we recognise a conscious entity that was operating at a
different "processing" rate than ours as conscious?

Mike Sunners

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From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (Wild Child)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves,alt.politics.correct,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Esoteric Skinhead O'Connor
Date: 14 Oct 92 11:42:09 +0930
Organization: University of South Australia

In article <1b1rrgINN2tj@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, padutton@wpi.WPI.EDU (Peter Alan Dutton) writes:
> In article <92282.110029SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
>>In regard to Sinead O'Connor's tearing up the Roman Pontiff's picture

> The point you miss is that Sinead indicated that he was "evil" before
> she tore up the picture, and then told the crowd to "fight the REAL
> enemy" afterwards, which is slightly different than making a coherent
> religious or political stand against him.

> Ireland. She spoke out against the Pope, who many feel (whether you
> or she likes it or not) is a great force for peace in the world, because
> apparently he is causing the mess in Ulster, instead of going to Belfast
> and picketing the IRA offices or whoever is directly involved. Of course,
> she'd risk getting her ass blown off.

Where have you been the last few days? That old fart just did another
anti-contraception sortie in yet another badly overpopulated country.
'Evil' on Sinead's part may be a bit over the top, but he is an enemy
of the world.

-- 
John J McVey, Whyalla, Uni S. Australia    9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au
Electronic Engineering student & Terror Tekkie!
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#! rnews 320
From: 9107047w@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: unisa.help
Subject: cancel <18897.2ad6472e@levels.unisa.edu.au>
Date: 14 Oct 92 11:54:47 +0930
Control: cancel <18897.2ad6472e@levels.unisa.edu.au>

cancel <18897.2ad6472e@levels.unisa.edu.au>
#! rnews 1306
From: 9208657l@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.personals
Subject: STOP AND READ! ( ... any St. Aloysians out there?)
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:05:52 +0930
Organization: University of South Australia

Howdy to y'all!

Are there any SMA St. Aloysius, Bandung, Indonesia (St. Aloysius High School)
graduates in the big-somewhere-out-there? Let's keep in touch, exchange mails,
and maybe chat. I'm one of the 92'ers and kinda feeling 'friendsick'.

Anybody who are not St. Aloysians can also write to me and I'll do my best to
answer all the mails. I'm a 20 y'o guy and studying in Adelaide, South
Australia. Have heaps of hobbies, and .... find out later!

PS	:	To Charles Kosan, in University of Wisconsin (?), Madison.
		please write to me, my address is
		9208657l@ntx.city.unisa.edu.au
	:	To Jim Verst, in Northern Kentucky University, I hope we can
		exchange mails through the Internet. Please contact me.


Arry Tanusondjaja
-The-bugging Adelaidian-------------------------------------------------------
9208657L@ntx.city.unisa.edu.au       |       
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#! rnews 622
From: 9208657l@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.personals
Subject: Re: STOP AND READ! ( ... any St. Aloysians out there?)
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:15:13 +0930
Organization: University of South Australia


Oops .... I'm getting old!
I'm one of the 92'ers, I'm one of the 91'ers!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

And if you want to write to me, please use the 9208657l@ntx.city.unisa.edu.au

Thank you,

Arry Tanusondjaja
-The-bugging Adelaidian

#! rnews 349
From: 9106027l@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: WARNING ON NITROUS OXIDE
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:47:58 +0930
Organization: University of South Australia

Well, after takin many a  nitrous trip, I warn all of you to

stop, as it is making me go brain dead!
#! rnews 411
From: marwk@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: CD-ROMS with audio and video?
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:30:28 +0930
Organization: University of South Australia

Do the CD-ROMS which supply sound from nusic CD's also supply video
and sound from VIDEO CD's?

What do I need in order to do this?

Thanks.

--
Raymond Kennington
#! rnews 1308
From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (Wild Child)
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: Running up the score on Colby (why pick on him? Salem's cool!)
Date: 15 Oct 92 09:11:23 +0930
Organization: University of South Australia

In article <69@fedfil.UUCP>, news@fedfil.UUCP (news) writes:

And the winners of the Gut-Buster Awards are:

> Bruce B. Salem:
For general comments.
> Jim Merritt:
Also for general comments.

> R. Day:
for interesting word constructs
> 
>         In other words, we can just get Bales, the wonder doof, to quit
>           posting.

and > Chris Colby: for this gem:
>         Not content to be merely ignorant, Luis tries his hand at
>          stupidity and dishonesty...

> -- 
> Ted Holden
> HTE

Mr T Holden is penalised a triple loss for failing to see possible humour
in his own post.

-- 
John J McVey, Whyalla, Uni S. Australia    9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au
Electronic Engineering student & Terror Tekkie!
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...and you're starin' at me, like I, like I need to be saved!.. Soundgarden
#! rnews 2199
From: wrb@teal.csn.org (William R. Bishop)
XPosted: ccdps@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: PC + DOS Emulator Source Code for UNIX
Date: 15 Oct 92 09:17:46 +0930
XNewsgroups: comp.unix.msdos
Followup-To: comp.os.linux,comp.unix.msdos
Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.9C 19/12/89 VAX/VMS V5.4; site levels.unisa.edu.au
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:52:31 GMT
Organization: William R. Bishop
Keywords: DOS, UNIX, Emulate


  Greetings DOS-doers:

  I worked on a project for over a year to develop a PC AND DOS emulator 
under unix.  This was supposed to be our "BIG" break (and it just about broke
John Stevenson-jks@nomadic.com and I).  We both had a lot to learn about 
marketing.  A lot of your potential buyers got the shakes when Microsoft 
announced their effort to bring a DOS emulator to every machine (for free?).

Please post all responses to comp.unix.dos-under-unix or Email wrb@wrb.com

  It only emulates an XT (or most of one) and a monochrome display adapter,
though it was designed to be extended.  The code traps interrupts and executes 
UNIX code for the DOS interrupts (thus obviating the need for DOS).  
Many of the important DOS calls have been emulated, but quite a few have not.
We figured to use the code as a "wrapper" around PC packages, thereby only
needing to implement the calls that a particular package uses (and what do
you know, just like most compilers use only a small subset of a machines 
instructions, most programs use only a small subset of DOS calls).

It was developed on an SGI 3030, 4D/35, and Indigo so the keyboard and 
display I/O is tailored to these machines (GL).

It runs Quicken, most of WordPerfect and Microsoft word as it sits.  The 
mouse stuff still has a few problems.

  The code has been sitting on the shelf for a year or so now, waiting for
its "BIG" break.  I am posting this notice to see how many people would be
interested in using and improving it.   Also any suggestions on how to 
support it would be appreciated (like pearl?)


                William R. Bishop (Bill) -<wrb@wrb.com>
#! rnews 1251
From: 8918927y@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Can IRQ exceptions malloc memory ? (&using IPL7)
Date: 15 Oct 92 09:40:18 +0930
Organization: University of South Australia

Gday
	On the subject of TSR's malloc'ing memory - can hardware interrupt
exceptions in supervisor mode also malloc memory ?.. I'm trying to get a
exception routine working that calls a Lattice 5.06.01 malloc call (in
the library, but gets bus errors half way through...).. Should I be
calling gemdos directly via a trap ?

	And - also is it safe to use IPL7 for hardware interrupts ?? -
or should I use IPL5 (I'm using an Atari MEGA ST)

Thanks
Kym
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   "`Get back' I screamed, `I'm an Australian!'.I new this was a pretty
   lame excuse and prepared myself for the truth. `Australia is merely an
   Island of Antarctica' came the voice,`and of no further significance.'
               Suddenly I understood the secret of Atlantis."
--`What's Rangoon to you is Grafton to me' by Russell Guy. JJJ-FM circa 1978--
 Kym B Newbery : 8918927y@lux.levels.UniSA.edu.au : 4th Year electronic eng.
#! rnews 1631
From: 8918927y@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m68k
Subject: Using BSET & BCLR on write only registers ?
Date: 15 Oct 92 09:48:17 +0930
Organization: University of South Australia

Hello,

	Is it possible to use the 680x0 instructions BSET and BCLR on
write only registers ? .. my problem may be that I'm trying to program a
Signetics QUART that has an interrupt mask register and an Interrupt
status register in the same register location, but the ISR is readonly
and the IMR is writeonly (ie depends on wether you read or write to that
location as to what happens.)  .. and I'm using 

		BSET.B #3,IMR(a3) 
	
	to set the bit (where IMR(a3) points to the correct
register)..but not to test it. In the process of reading executing the
instruction I assume the 680x0 reads the location then masks the byte
and then writes it back  . is this correct ? and if other bits are set
will they be reset by the instruction _IF_ the write & read values are
different (ie on write only registers)

Thanks for any clues and hints..
Kym
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   "`Get back' I screamed, `I'm an Australian!'.I new this was a pretty
   lame excuse and prepared myself for the truth. `Australia is merely an
   Island of Antarctica' came the voice,`and of no further significance.'
               Suddenly I understood the secret of Atlantis."
--`What's Rangoon to you is Grafton to me' by Russell Guy. JJJ-FM circa 1978--
 Kym B Newbery : 8918927y@lux.levels.UniSA.edu.au : 4th Year electronic eng.
#! rnews 2322
From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (Wild Child)
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: pi=3 (was Re: Abuse By t.o Regulars)
Date: 15 Oct 92 11:29:50 +0930
Organization: University of South Australia

In article <1992Oct12.061257.11171@trl.oz.au>, jbm@hal.trl.OZ.AU
(Jacques Guy) writes:
> gascan@dcst16.dc (Bill Gascoyne) writes:

> You've just answered your question: "the ratio of circumference to diameter
> of a *Euclidean* circle". The original poster (I tried to retrieve the
> message, but it was expired) had written that pi<3.1416 in a NON-Euclidean
> space (he'd used the surface of the earth, I think). I was certain he must
> have had his tongue in his cheek and was just trying to see if he could
> start a wonderful red herring, up the garden path etc. So I put my tongue
> in the same place, too. But perhaps he was being serious. You get all
> kinds here. Perhaps he did believe that, because that Biblical vessel
> was on the earth, and the earth is spherical, the ratio of its circumference
> to its diameter could be 3? 

I'll bite:
r=radius of earth = roughly 40,000,000 / 3.14159265 metres
					 ^^ I have this in my head. Shows
					    how sick I am...
z=temple circumference = about 30m
y=temple diameter = about 10m

m=real diameter through surface
X=angle between earth centre and lines to opposite sides of temple
p'=apparent pi, z/m

               m
               ______
               \    /
               r\X /r
                 \/

simple triangle rule: m^2=r^2+r^2 -2rrcosX
                      m=r*sqrt(2-2cosX)    [9.991 metres]
therefore, p'=30/m, which comes to 3.0025. Given the accuracy
of the data used, I'd say that this is indeed 3.
It doesn't go to 3.14 until the radius drops to 9.543 metres...

I don't know what to make of this result...    anybody spot an error?


Ominous...
-- 
John J McVey, Whyalla, Uni S. Australia    9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au
Electronic Engineering student & Terror Tekkie!
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#! rnews 426
From: 9107047w@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: unisa.cse.ds
Subject: 8 Kings answer - can someone check?
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:03:28 +0930
Organization: University of South Australia

right - i did an 8 kings problem, and got an answer of 116,000,000 or so ...
does anyone wanna run there's to check my answer?

 - MZ

PS it took 7:30 user time ...
#! rnews 1878
From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (Wild Child)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: source of morality for atheists
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:34:07 +0930
Organization: University of South Australia

In article <92450@netnews.upenn.edu>, stuart@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (Joseph Stuart ) writes:
> 
> Since coming to disbieve the existence of god a few months ago, I have
> come pretty far in defining my own personal philosophy.  However, one point
> still bugs me that I can't quite get around: morality.  I feel that there
> are certain things which are immoral.  While I don't expect everyone to
> have the same moral code as me, I still feel a bit disturbed when others
> do things that I consider wrong.  Have any other atheists grappled with
> the question of where morality comes from, and produced any cogent
> thoughts?  If so, I would love to hear them.
> 
> scott

Start with one word: empathy.

From this we get our version of the golden rule.
(individuals have the right to do anything xcept deprive others of this right.
Corrollary: the group exists to protect the rights of the individuals
who are in it - ie I don't believe in the involuntary sacraficing an individual
for the good of the group. Choosing to do so is OK).

Anything else is specifics derived from it or religous garbage (eg public
nudity).

I have sent you a larger email version. Hope these help. (applies to
me only. Others may have similar ideas).

An atheist AND a capitalist.
-- 
John J McVey, Whyalla, Uni S. Australia    9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au
Electronic Engineering student & Terror Tekkie!
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     ---|  Obligatory disclaimer: UniSA hates my opinions...  |---
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#! rnews 831
From: marwk@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: unisa.cis.prog.c.05286
Subject: PRACTICAL 9: Due data change
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:38:35 +0930
Organization: University of South Australia

PRACTICAL 9 is the last offical practical.

There will be an optional practical which you can take if you have the
time and interest to boost your marks; it involves self-referential
structures.

The due date of PRACTICAL 9 is the last day of semester with no extensions.

--
Raymond Kennington
LECTURER
University of South Australia   | Act in haste and repent at leisure
P.O. Box 1                      | Code too soon and debug forever
Ingle Farm                      | Knobs, knobs everywhere,
South Australia                 |              just vary a knob to think!
#! rnews 4997
From: 9209571d@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: Australia
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:48:32 +0930
Organization: University of South Australia

For the best pinnies in the world, Greasy Joes, O'Connell St, North, Adelaide
, South Australia. Fine wine, Fine women and fine tilting
#! rnews 744
From: mamjpc@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: unisa.cis.dslss
Subject: final submission for pretty printer
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:10:34 +0930
Organization: University of South Australia

For the integrated pretty printer which is due in the last week of semester,
you will need to hand up the following:

(1) all 9 (or 6 for groups of two) modules which MUST be compiled to run
    together. This means the you MUST spend the time modifying the parser
    AND fixong any bugs in your earlier output.
    This will be submitted as a shar file to the marking account as before.

(2) you must also submit electronically the diary output.

I think thats all.....


Michael.
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Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.9C 19/12/89 VAX/VMS V5.4; site levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Auto Insurance
From: condict@next19.osf.org (Michael Condict)
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:42:41 GMT
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Keywords: Good, bad and ugly

Would anybody who really likes or really hates their auto
insurance company please send me a short note about it?
(I am about to buy auto insurance.)  A simple:

	"I [hate/like] [Company X] because [ . . . ]"

would suffice.  Thanks.  I'll summarize for the net.  If
this has been done recently, please just send me a copy
of the summary.

Michael Condict
OSF Research Inst.
Cambridge, MA