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From: buckmr@rs6421.ecs.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Congressional Contacts on Military Unban?
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:20:59 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:


>I was thoroughly pissed yesterday that Sam Nunn got on TV
>and said no more than 30 Senators would support changes in
>the law to support unbanning us in the military.
Yes, and it was very scary, too.

>I looked on the QRD without finding (could have missed it)
>for a list of the names and addresses of all 100 US Senators
>and all 435 (or is it 535) members of the House for the new
>Congress.  In addition, I want to know who's on the Armed
>Services Committee.  I want to know who all the just-elected
>people are.
Hmm, well, it's mentioned in the HIGHLIGHTS file [though, true it doesn't say
where to find it, maybe I'll do that next]

The info is in the /pub/QRD/qrd/info/GOVT/congress file. [on 128.2.35.7]

Here's something Sim Aberson sent me:


Let General Powell know how you feel about his stand against gays and
lesbians in the military.

Gen. Colin L. Powell
Chairman
Joint Chiefs of Staff
The Pentagon
Washington, DC  20301-5000

vox: 703-697-9121.   [not busy very often]
fax: 703-697-8758.   

Bill Clinton
President of the United States
1600 Pennsylvania Ave, NW
Washington, DC 20500
(202) 456-1414 [switchboard]
(202) 456-1111
(202) 456-2883 [fax]


--->House Armed Services Committee:  (202) 225-4151 [Dellums]
--->Senate Armed Services Committee:  (202) 224-3871 [Nunn]


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From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Audrey
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 11:03:59 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
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Arne writes:
>Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>> Arne writes:
>> >Melmoron burbles:
>> >> There are very few "great" actresses, and the name was already
>> >> taken by one.
>> >It must be because I've been hideously sick with the flu
>> >for the past few days, but I don't get the allusion.
>> *Katherine* Hepburn.
>
>(She spells it Katharine.)

Whoops -- my mother spells it with the "e", so that's how it
tends to come out of my keyboard. ;-)

 
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From: larry@bradley.bradley.edu (L. D. Stratton)
Subject: Hofstra U and skibberene
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 02:26:08 GMT


   Gay content: questionable

   In "As Is" by William Hoffman, Hofstra U is mentioned.  Is that
   a) the correct spelling and b) in New York?

   The word skibberene (phonetic spelling)?  Whaaaaaa??????

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From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: High School Athletes (lusher)
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:09:20 GMT

In article <ALLEMANG.93Jan21144020@liasun7.epfl.ch> allemang@lia.di.epfl.ch (Dean Allemang) writes:

>With apologies to Tim

I should hope so!  I'm my *own* sysadmin, and don't you forget it!

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Audrey
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 07:38:35 GMT

In article <C1BH9o.4rp@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org
(Roger B.A.  Klorese) writes:

>In article <1jr4iqINNdhv@mizar.usc.edu>
>adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

>>Oh.  I just never think "great actress" and "Katharine Hepburn"
>>at the same time.  "Great movie star", yes, but not "great
>>actress".

>"Runs the gamut from 'a' to 'b'," eh?

Ah, but said that?  Was it not Brooks Atkinson?

Another favorite: Miss Bankhead barged down the Nile last
night as Cleopatra and sank.

But the all-time best theatrical review, I think, appeared
in the New Yorker, and I quote it in its entirety:

I AM A CAMERA (John Van Drouten)
No Leica. -- Dorothy Parker

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From: rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden)
Subject: Re: The Crying Game (AGAIN..) NO SPOILERS.
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, Ca.
	<73479@cup.portal.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 05:17:51 GMT
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In article <73479@cup.portal.com> Minotaur@cup.portal.com (A Frank Swilling) writes:

   I also thought it was a good, but not great, movie.  What kept it
   from being great (IMO) is that there was a fundamental logic flaw:
   if the hero was so essentially moral as he proved to be, what was
   he doing mixed up with the IRA in the first place?

I'm told that it's not uncommon for people to get involved in the IRA
as young and naive people because it's the cool thing to do, rather
than for any particular ideological reason.
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From: lazarus@wixer.cactus.org (Michael Lax)
Subject: Re: G&L MILITARY BAN: Call the White House NOW!
Organization: Real/Time Communications
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 00:03:27 GMT

Jack B. Nimble (ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU) wrote:
: In article <C1GJF1.2wn@acsu.buffalo.edu>, on 26 Jan 93 10:51:00 GMT,
: viejones@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Michael A. Jones) writes:
: 
: >
: >In article <9648052325011993/A05354/POSSE/1171CDC11400*@mrgate.uwyo.edu>, LASAGA@corral.uwyo.edu (LASAGA) writes...
: >>
: >>In article <chavez.727989434@quorum.com>, chavez@quorum.com
: >>Would congressional legislation be able to override an executive
: >>order by Clinton?  Or would an executive order by Clinton be able
: >>to override congressional legislation?  Anybody know?
: >>
: >>-maria 
: >
: >Congress prevails and could pass a law overriding an executive order
: >issued by Clinton.
: >
: True, but any such law could presumably be vetoed. Thus, as a practical
: matter, it would take a 2/3 vote in the House and in the Senate to
: override an executive order prohibiting exclusion and/or discrimination
: based solely on sexual orientation.
: 
: >Furthermore, the military code contains
: >provisions outlawing homosexual behavior (sodomy, other stuff?) and can
: >only be amended by Congress.
: >
: This is true. In order to achieve equal treatment wrt sexual conduct, a
: majority of each of the houses would have to enact legislation revising
: the applicable sections of the military code.
: 
: >A quote I saw from Senate Minority leader Dole indicates that he's confident
: >Clinton doesn't have enough support on the Hill.
: >
: The estimate that I heard is that only 30 out of the 100 senators
: supported a lifting of the ban. This does not necessarily mean that
: an executive order would be overturned in the Senate, because some of
: the 70 opposed might not vote to overturn a presidential veto on party
: loyalty grounds. At least this was what happened in the case of Bush
: having had almost all of his vetoes sustained.
: 

So does anyone know which Senators support the ban, which oppose it,
and who's on the fence?  NGLTF might have this info - if not,
they need to get it _quickly_.
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From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Clinton may not issue Executive Order
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 14:21:45 GMT

In article <106074@netnews.upenn.edu> sfsmith@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Sandy F. Smith, Jr.) writes:
>..and if you asked me, a decent enough first step, given the eggshells on
>which the President is walking.  Given that so much of the hysteria coming
>from the military brass is over this notion that somehow we queers will be
>all hormones once we're allowed to enlist openly, a change in policy to
>disallow investigations unless based on conduct will help show how silly
>this objection is.

I agree with you, too.  But, it seems that the joint chiefs are
concerned on exactly where and when Bill is headed... maybe they
tapped the discussion here :) and are afraid that Bill will sign
something on 25 April.  Anyway... they want to have a face-to-face
with Bill before doing whatever Les requested.


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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: All ELEVEN States with anti-gay initiatives planned
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 15:53:26 EST
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_NEWSWEEK_ magazine has reported that anti-gay ballot initiatives are being
organised in 11 states, namely: 

MICHIGAN
IDAHO
OHIO
WASHINGTON
MONTANA 
MINNESOTA
MISSOURI
IOWA
CALIFORNIA
MAINE
GEORGIA.

   
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From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Melmon, pro or con (Re: Are Gay Men Richer, Really?)
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:58:17 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <C1J6w0.M5@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Real
Life?!?! HA!!) wrote:

> funny guy.  So he pisses some people off.  Who doesn't?  To paraphrase
> Hannibal Lecter, the net's a much more interesting place with him in
> it.

Well, if one *must* be something, a crazy psychopath locked in an
iron cage making life miserable for Jodi Foster isn't all *that*
bad...
 
> Still chuckling at the "Ode to Federal Express".....

Still mooning over Federal Express....

*X* 
(beyond belief, baby dolls, his butt was beyond belief... And those
*forearms* - my God!  I'm feeling phleklempt....  Very phleklepmt.
Tawk amongst youwa selves - tawk amongst youwa selves...  I'll give
you a topic - Michaelangelo's David, in addition to being the most
famous piece of meat - er, art - in the World, was a *twink*

discuss...)
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From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Tips for coming out to friends?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:51:47 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.223928.449@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, ctc10@cl.cam.ac.uk (C.T. Charlton) writes:
> In article <1993Jan25.184923.7160@osf.org> coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
> suggests:
> 
> > you might try to think in terms
> > of *not hiding* it. Like, if your friends are talking about who they
> > went out with last weekend, you can talk about it too, without
> > changing pronouns. Similarly if the discussion is about who's
> > attractive: "Say, look over there, she's pretty cute, isn't she?" --
> > "He's not bad either."
> > 
> > You probably want to choose pretty carefully *which* friends you do
> > this with.
> 
> I disagree, I have found altering pronouns works fine. Those who're prepared
> to notice, will; those with closed minds won't; if anyone makes an issue of it
> and you don't want to, it can be dismissed as humour.

Either you misunderstood what I meant, or I'm misunderstanding what
you mean. My "without changing pronouns" meant that, if your friend
tells you about a date he had with a MOTOS, you can tell him about
your date with a MOTSS, without hiding, or switching, the gender of
your date.
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From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: soc.motss brunch in NYC: thank you
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:39:58 GMT

In article <C1JL5D.Enx@panix.com> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
>ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) confronts Doron:
>
>See what happens when I don't get there?  Everyone else has to take
>up the slack.  And where, when we need him most, is Jeff Shaumeyer 
>and the soc.motss.nice crew?  Nice indeed.  Have an eclair.

SNARF!
>
> >Now you go back out there and tell them how awful we were to you
> >this instant!  Quick boy, our reputations as heartless, cruel,
> >Cobra People is at stake!  Fail to obey, and I shall summon
> >*THE* Cobra Woman, then you'll be sorry.  really you will.
>You rang?

Yeah.  bite that boy, he's being *NICE* he needs a good dose of
venom.
>
> >Cobraette
>Uh huh.  You bet.

SSSSSssssssssssssss.
>
>Cobra Woman

Ry
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From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Lesbian and Gay Band at Inaugural, update
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:27:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1993Jan22.102739.27175
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <1993Jan21.200607.24701@hemlock.cray.com> steven@cray.com (Steven Levine) writes:


Wonderful story, thanks for sharing it and I would have been crying
on the ground in front of the president's review stand if he
would have said thank you to me twice!!!


>But the gay press has, for the most part, ignored us as
>well (that's another story and another post).


Yep!!!!!  We Portland Gay Men's Chorus get more reviews and
stories from the non-GBLO press than our own press.  

Good example is this December.  The musical community, Portland Gay Freedom
Band, Portland Lesbian Choir, and Portland Gay Men's Chorus, put on
a free concert on December 20th.  That is over 100 GLBO people performing
and well over 400 people in attendence, a great audience in Portland and
not one story about.  The biggest event in the GLBO community that 
month and nothing.  The concert was free and we ask for donations that
go to various organizations in the Portland area.

When PGMC and PLC went to southern Oregon, Klamath Falls to be
exact, (during the measure 9 scare) the Klamath Falls paper, a
non-GLBO paper, gave us a wonderful little blurb in their entertainment
section.  This is a real homophobic place folks, and this towns newspaper
printed a story about our visit.  Anything from the GLBO rags?  Nope!!!!

Just another sore point in my little humdrumb life.

Bil Snodgrass III

>
>-Steven Levine
> steven@cray.com
>
>
>
>  
Xref: sparky soc.motss:57898 rec.music.cd:9081 rec.music.misc:30783
From: todd@cleo.abt.com (Todd Nix)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for YAZZ "Wanted" CD or tape
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:22:36 GMT
Organization: Alternative Broadcast Technology

In <1jkncrINN4li@epic.truevision.com> scott@truevision.com (Scott Stevens) writes:
>In <mattm-200193101630@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan20.164032.8596@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>,
>>rosario@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Rosario Gennaro) wrote:
>>> I am looking for the only album of a group called YAZZ. 
>>> The album came out around 6-7 years ago and its title is "Wanted".
>>In fact and without doubt, there are *two* albums by YAZZ(OO) -
>>the post-Depeche-Mode pre-Andrew-Bell with Alison-Moyet brainchild
>>of Vincent Clarke.  Very cool.
>**BZZZT** Sorry, wrong answer.  Thank you for playing.
>Clarke's "brainchild" was called Yaz.  "YAZZ" is another group
>entirely.

OK, since I have all of these records in question, let's get it straight.

1982 - Yazoo (UK) = Yaz (US) - Upstairs at Eric's
1983 - Yazoo (UK) = Yaz (US) - You and Me Both
	This is the duo of Vince Clarke and Alison (Alf) Moyet

1989 - Yazz - Wanted
	This is pop-oriented house music. The lead singer Yazz is
	a tall black woman with short bleached-white hair.
	She also sang on one of Coldcut's singles.
	
	I purchased this CD domestically about the time it came out. You
	ought to be able to order it fairly easily.

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From: libfgr@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Frank G. Rogers)
Subject: Re: Random Straight Bashing Post
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:43:16 GMT

elliott@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jr. Frank W. Elliott) writes:

>A previous post discussed a fantasy of "random straight bashing."
>This was despicable.  More than a few lgb people on this group have
>straight best friends, and almost all have straight family members.
>Moreover, whether or not you like a group of people, the thought that
>this group might be treated in an arbitrary manner should repel and outrage
>you.

>--Frank

Hey, lighten up.  Didn't see the original post, but I'm sure it was said in 
jest.  Lets save up all our righteous indignation for the homophobes....

-f 

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From: kfj@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kirk Johanning)
Subject: Re: Whil Wheaton -- The China Doll Syndrom
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:14:14 GMT
Organization: HP Response Center Atlanta

In <1993Jan20.202722.20695@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> ste@hudson.att.com (Shaun Erickson [94]) writes:

>If you have a copy of Whil's last episode as a regular on Star Trek (Final 
>Mission, I think), check him out as they leave the shuttle and start out 
>across the desert.  There is a nice camera angle of him, from just below 
>waist level, walking practically right into the camera. You can CLEARLY see 
>the outline of his "manhood" hanging down his pantleg. It was the first time 
>I couldn't call him "Crotchless Crusher". He MOST CERTAINLY has "quite a bit 
>there to blow ..."! I have played that scene over and over ...

Unfortunately, I didn't tape it the first time it aired and the last
time it was on I did not have cable and the reception was marginal at
best, so I could not decern "the outline of his manhood" (but one can
fantasize ;-)

>On another note, I was at a Star Trek Convention once, where he was the 
>guest star. When it came time to have him autograph his photo for me, I 
>asked him if my friend could take a picture of us together. He said sure, 
>so I went behind the table and squatted down beside of him, shoulder to 
>shoulder - with him leaning up against me. Great picture! Every time I 
>look at it though, I keep remembering that at the very instant of the 
>flash, I wanted to turn towards him, grab him and give him a big smooch 
>on the cheek. What a picture THAT would have made! If only a security 
>guard hadn't been standing RIGHT behind us ... :(

I think that you might have been able to catch the security guard
off-guard with the kiss.  The guard might have also been sufficiently
blinded by the flash...                    

Anyway, why don't you scan the picture (gif, jpg) and either e-mail to
me or post to the net :-)

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From: tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson)
Subject: Re: Are Gay Men Richer, Really?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<mattm-210193132157@mcmelmon.apple.com>
	<1993Jan22.020145.3637@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:51:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.020145.3637@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes: 

   The problem is that 90% of all people believe that as long as you can
   quote numbers, you must really know what you're talking about.

Well, I remember reading some survey that showed that four-out-of-five
times when people quote statistics they're lying.

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