From: mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP)
Subject: Re: ISLAM ON ABORTION
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:07:00 GMT

In article <dogar.712331695@opal4>, dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Haroon H. Dogar) writes...
>gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
> 
>>In article <19664@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken) writes:
> 
>>>I only find it puzzling that so many educated people pose indirect
>>>questions like this, since they are trivially answered depending on
>>>whether or not one believes that the unborn child/fetus is a clump of
>>>cells or a human baby.  If we are talking about a clump of cells then
>>>abortion should be restricted no more than clipping one's toenails.
>>>If, however, we are talking about a human baby, then how could any
>>>of the above justify killing the baby?  Because of the sins of others?
>>>And just because it is less than perfect?  A lot of people with
>>>``severe handicaps'' go on to have productive lives and teach us
>>>all about the true value of life.  Few of them wish that someone else
>>>had killed them in the womb.
>>>--
> 
>Dave,
> 
>There is one question that I think is valid and that is,
>"What if the life of the mother is at risk?"
>To date, the only time that I have heard a scholar say that
>it was ok was when it was understood that the child would
>probably not survive, and if the pregnancy were carried to
>term, the mother would probably not survive either.
>Still, I am not a scholar nor do I play one on TV etc.
>[I assume that the scholar viewed "it" as a human baby
>and not just a clump of cells.]
> 
> 
>>That's why the women should be given the choice of abortion. 
>>Her choice will depend on whether she considers it as a clump 
>>of cells or a life ?  Even if she considers it as a life, her 
>>decision can be altered by whether she considers it as dangerous 
>>to her own life or not. By dangerous, I mean it need not always 
>>be in terms of physical danger. It might mean ruining her 
>>whole emotional and social life which she might not want to 
>>sacrifice for the sake of another life. No one should be forced 
>>to sacrifice their own lives for the sake of another. That choice
>>should be left up to the person. 
> 
>Gopal,
> 
>"Should" according to your opinion MAY or MAY NOT agree with what
>"should" be done according to Islam--which, I believe, was the
>original poster's question. Just wanted to point that out before
>this degenerated into a pro-life/pro-choice debate. That said, :-)
>I can take your argument to ridiculous extremes: "There are people
>that I view as lower than life, and less than human [Adhvani, Shamir,
>Solarz, etc]. These people have ruined my life emotionally, physically,
>religiously, whatever. Ergo [I love this word don't you?] ergo,
>I am morally justified in "aborting" them."  Note that I am even
>making greater allowances, because I am saying that X individual
>has already ruined my life, not that he/she has the potential
>of ruining it.  Again, I am not a scholar--just leftovers from the
>logic portion of my GMAT :-) .
> 
>-hd
> 

	Why dont you let the the women in peace and let them decide
        what they want. Why you or me have to decide things for them?

Mirza Ilyas