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From: Tom_Jacobs@qms1.life.uiuc.edu (Tom Jacobs)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re- What's wrong with anarc
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:59:31 GMT
Reply-To: Tom_Jacobs@qms1.life.uiuc.edu
Organization: The Internet

Re: What's wrong with anarchy?

Anarchy has got a bad rap from fascists, capitalists and other cold warriors. 
It WAS a real "system", with a thoroughly elaborated, evolved (and evolvING,
until the 1930's) philosophy of decentralized governance, owing mostly to the
pretty hard thinking of one Mikhail Bakunin (Russian, mid-19th C.).  It almost
got off the ground in Andalucian Spain, until Franco torched it and imposed HIS
answer.  Anarchy only LOOKS like chaos from within the heavily centralized
system which controls us.  It has also been MADE to look like chaos by those
for whom its flourishing represents a threat.

Take Bill Gates, for example.  As evidence of the thoroughness with which the
collective brain of our society is washed clean of the noble ideals of this
eminently humanistic -- and eutopian -- political philosophy, here are the
synonyms for "anarchy" provided by the thesaurus Mr. Bill so generously bundles
with Microsoft Word 5.0 for the Mac:

disturbance
bedlam
pandemonium
agitation
furor
turmoil
confusion.

"Take the young'ns down to the cellar, ma, the anarchists are a'comin!"


Tom "OK Bill, Lara, let's go get a pitcher at 'zots" Jacobs

ODC:  Franco is still dead
From: mattb@ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: SF Chronicle Article (Neil on the Net?)
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:23:10 GMT
Reply-To: mattb@olympus.ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

sjeck@isi.com writes:

>"It wasn't long after such a Christmas chorale show in 1957 that
>Diamond wrote his first song, entitled 'Hear Them Bells,' which 
>he included in his current concert shows.  'I warn the audience
>that it's pretty bad, even though I like it, and they can use the
>time to go to the bathroom if they want.'

>----------------------
>what an honest guy admitting that he  sings a "bathroom" song!!

So, is this the proof we've been looking for that Neil is on the net and
lurking on r.m.gd? How else would he know about the "bathroom" songs
discussion? I, for one, am convinced.

Matt
Actually, I was surprised (even disappointed) that we didn't get a bogus
Neil posting from the Well during that September craziness. After all,
all the minor deities were represented.

PS - Has anybody investigated these clandestine connections between Neil
and the Dead? "Rose"? "Flowers"? The Dead, out of nowhere, play Vegas, then
Neil does Europe '92? "In the Round"? Tell me that's not connected to Round
Records. "Here Them Bells"? I'll bet it was the inspiration for Franklin's
Tower. Mock me now, but when the Dead release a Christmas album, you'll
be convinced.  Where's Geraldo Rivera when you need him?
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From: Steve -- The Other One <sjeck@isi.com>
Subject: Re:  Good Road footnote
Reply-To: sjeck@isi.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:04:21 GMT

 tomas@leland.Stanford.EDU (Thomas J. Monica) writes:

|Where's the revision.  Are you saying the white men came and improved things
|for the natives? 

I guess that depends on whether you think computers are an improvement
or not.  this is exactly the kind of question i am refering to.  are 
you guilty of being of European decent also?  maybe you should deed
all your property over to your local Native American and go back to
wherever your great-great-great-great...grandfather is from?  Is that
the solution you are proposing?  or is this some kind of contest to
see who can publically proclaim themselves to be *MOST* sorry for
the Native Americans?

|I'm afraid that you're a bit self-absorbed.  Should we not worry about the
|kurds or ethnic cleansing? It's ok cause it happened before?

Well, the Kurdish-American society that we've supported has been
trying to deal with that situation for several years now.
Greenpeace, whom i also contribute to, is doing many things to
raise the consciousness of people about the problems that exist TODAY!

which is exactly my point.  done is done.  lets do something about the
problems that exist NOW.  otherwise in 500 years, our childrens children
will have to mourn the stupidity of our decisions today.

Oh, and BTW before you make this some kind of personal attack, I HAVE
read: "Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee"  Memoirs of Red Fox, Black Elk Speaks...

Steve-TOO
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Favorite venue
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:33:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Oct15.170729.5531@morrow.stanford.edu> EP.LLD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lara) writes:
>isn't the worst place to see a show to be sitting in the parking lot

	No, the worst place to see a show is the Capitol Center in
Landover Maryland.  And they won't let ya sit in the parking lot there,
either.
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Scarlet Begonias
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:10:52 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Oct7.180724.25048@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> SIMON%HUXTAL.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu writes:
>|think is the best Scarlet Begonias.  My personal favorite is 3-27-88, the
>Yes !  It was during the post-Scarlet musical jam at this show

	I took my mother to this show.  My mother and my friend Debbie's
12 yr old.  During Scarlet I looked over an' Ma was bouncing away like
any other body in the place...  



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From: Jeff Althoff <jeff@max.physics.sunysb.edu>
Subject: RE: She's an Artist == She Belongs to Me
Reply-To: jeff@max.physics.sunysb.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:54:38 GMT

| 
|>Is "She's An Artist" actually the song "She Belongs to me"? 
 
   Yes.
| 
| "She's An Artist" might also be "Visions of Johanna"

   No.

--------------------------------------------
Jeff Althoff    jeff@max.physics.sunysb.edu
From: EP.LLD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lara)
Subject: Re: 500 Years of Genocide/AIM
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:23:04 GMT

think this through with me ... let me know your mind

my personal point on this issue is that to many americans the
natives in our country are invisible.  in many cases, we seem to
have forgotten that they exist, or if we remember, it's in the
context of 'oh, yeah, we screwed them a LONG time ago, but that's
over now, so what's the big bleeding-heart deal.'

have a friend who has taught her son some of the truths about
columbus that aren't in the elementary school history books.  this
son is 5 years old and very smart.  on Monday, he stood up in class
and said, columbus wasn't a good man, he took slaves and stole, and
killed people.  his teacher kept him after class and phoned his mom:
where did he LEARN this stuff, which mom readily copped to.  one
good answer would have been "he SHOULD have learned it here in
school."

if you're sitting around feeling guilty about what happened 500
years ago, then YOU are wasting YOUR time.  if you're sitting around
'feeling sorry' for the situation, again you are wasting your time,
and IMHO committing a sin of omission, knowing that the situation
exists, but not attempting to positively affect it.  some people
sleep very well at night under these circumstances, however ...

if you're trying to affect the evils being perpetuated TODAY and
EVERY DAY on EVERY RESERVATION in this country (and i certainly am
NOT stating that this is the only thing we're doing wrong, as a
country), then there's nothing to apologize for, and nothing being
wasted by that energy.  TODAY kids are starving on the reservation,
and at least in montana and south dakota and other northern states,
probably freezing.  TODAY livestock is being confiscated on the dine
reservation.  TODAY indigenous tribes in the northwest struggle for
fishing rights against sportsmen who think that sport fishing is
more important than feeding the tribe.  TODAY is what really
matters, and TODAY is what we can change, or at least TODAY we can
work to change tomorrow.

i'd like to also add that i believe the A.I.M leadership learned
many of their less-than-effective tactics at the hands of the
F.B.I., and apparently learned their lessons too well.  for the most
part, A.I.M. doesn't seem to be too effective, but there are many
grassroots organizations that are on the front lines.

giving back the land is going to be a little complicated, for
obvious and already-stated reasons.  but is that a reason to give up
on the rest of the good fight?  how about just simply doing your
part by boycotting black hills gold?  how about the leonard peltier
defense fund?  how about Native American Rights Fund in Boulder?


all i want to know is .... are you kind?

in the spirit of crazy horse
lara
-->-@

free leonard peltier!!!!!!!!
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 09:50:15 EDT
From: <MAH76X@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Dead as a Cult

In article <PHawRB1w164w@wharf>, ltgtr@wharf.UUCP (Scott Catey) says:
>me wondering.  When I saw the boys in Vegas '91 I remember one of the
>dealers at Ceasars, an older woman, telling the people at her table that
>all this deadheads were a satanic cult.
>
>WHY do people think this, you would thing heaven on earth would have
>gotten a better reputation than that!

I remember seeing a few Spectrum runs in a row, where a bunch of what I would
consider 'culty looking folks' were there.  If I can remember correctly there
were a handful of folks hanging together, who were all wearing sheets and had
shaved their heads.  It looked 'culty' to me.  The rest of the people at the
show weren't dressed that way of couse, but if I were an outsider looking in?

Joe Doheny
From: NIEDFELD@MIAMIU.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: All our colors How was it ?????
Date: 11 Oct 92 19:50:44 GMT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

Well I just couldn't make the trip out there from Oxford, OH. I was
wondering if someone could tell me all about it. Did Mickey and friends
sound good. Did Santana jam ? (old stuff or new?) How was the drum
circle before the concert. I would have loved to have been there with my
8 congas (and bongos) and a few friends.    Please elaborate.
 
John Niedfeldt     niedfeld@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu
Miami University
Oxford, Ohio
Member of Santana Fan Club
 
Everyone should be jammin' congas. A good pastime, a great stress reliever,
good for the soul, and a whole lot of fun. Start a group like we have done.
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From: ADJS000 <ADJS@nmumus.bitnet>
Subject: Come back to us, Barbara Lewis
Reply-To: ADJS@nmumus.bitnet
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:06:59 GMT

Really? Jose Feliciano is now tooold to be remembered? sigh..... pass
the Geritol, I geuss.
Ol' Jim S.
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From: HF.PEC@forsythe.stanford.edu (Doug Peckler)
Subject: Good Road
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 06:19:02 GMT

here's a few notes from the Good Road benefit celebration in Mt View
on Saturday.  This was really a lovingly produced beautiful day of
music and celebration of Native American life. Representatives from
many Indian groups were on the stage during the opening ceremony.
We arrived as Carlos Santana was being acknowledged for his vision
in bringing the event together, among others.  The first band was
Red Thunder, which had a great beat played out on traditional drums
among rock instruments.  There were many outstanding speakers
between sets, including Oren Lyons and Dennis Banks, who made
special mention of upcoming hearing for Leonard Peltier Nov 9 in St.
Paul.  The next band was White Boy and teh Wagon Burners, who i
missed. Next was Mickey with an amazing ensemble of folks he put
together for some serious tranced out music.  Sorry i don't have
more names, but among them were Kitaro, Michael Shreive (sp?
Santana's old drummer, the four members of D'Cuckoo, Steve Miller,
and several others with great drumming and singing talents.  Santana
also joined this amazement.  Next was one of the real highlights,
John Trudell and band.  He's an amazing with an incredible history,
which he pours into his poetry, which he chants forth over a real
tight rock band.   in style reminiscent of Jim Carroll or Lou Reed,
but with a very heartfelt cosmological view of 20th century
politics.  I believe he has some recordings, which i intend to check
out.  Next was a short set by John Lee Hooker and Ry Cooder.  They
pulled off one great jam on their instruments that was especially
hot.  Next was Steve Miller with Norton Buffalo and another
gentleman.  Everybody around me was really pleasantly wowed by their
jumping set.  Next was Jackson Browne, fresh from an engagement
earlier in the day for the benefit of Esalen Institute.  He had a
full band and they were also great.  Sorry i don't know the song
titles, but they mixed them up.  David Lindley played fiddle on the
first song; Bonnie Raitt sang on two others.  The day and night
ended with a remarkable and a half Santana set.  I was in seventh
heaven, as a good part of the set was with Ry Cooder -- two of the
best ever guitarists on one stage; and it got even hotter when Steve
Miller joined in.  Nope, Garcia did not materialize despite rampant
rumormongering, but for me, this set was just omniwonderful.
Exodus, the Marley song, was stupendous.  (if anyone has tapes,
please drop me a line).

the other night i was fortunate to attend another evening of music.
the Mill Valley Film Fest showed the old Fillmore movie on a big
screen.  It was very enjoyable and afterwards down the street the
New Riders played two really hot sets.  I recognized Marmaduke, but
can someone fill me in on who else is currently in the band?
From: jones@fred.cis.udel.edu (Mark Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: the so called cure all libertarian party
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:29:33 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark

In article <1992Oct7.221642.13687@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> CDA001@acad.drake.edu writes:
>i know this isn't dead related, but the net's going slow.  i
>had to respond to this.
>
>whoever said we should read the platform, i did.  well, at least
>until i saw enough thinking that i totally think would never
>work in the way it is intended.  most of this party's goals are
>for good, but the way they want to get them done will turn
>into most likely chaos.  otherwise, it's crap.
>
>would you libertarians please do us people who do believe in some
>form of legalization of drugs by not hiding your shotty platform
>behind signs reading "want legalization of marijuana? vote so and
>so from the libertarian party for such and such office."  this is
>probably how your party's candidates got on half the tickets.
>

Was the Libertarian Party misrepresenting itself?  I don't think so.

It is rare for a citizen to find a political party that they agree with
on 100% of the issues.  

I know that I will not vote for candidates that want to send some of
my peaceful friends (or favorite musicians) to jail for a long time!

I call it a priority.

-mark (jones@udel.edu)
       "A democracy cannot be both ignorant and free"  - Thomas Jefferson
From: gmthomas@boole.seas.ucla.edu (Gregory M. Thomas)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Scarlet Begonias
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:59:35 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

I think that the S->F from 3/22/90 Copps Coliseum is pretty damn dominant,
myself.  The jam between verses just soars...sends chills down my spine
every time I hear it.  The Fire rocks, and the guitar intro to it is
Jerry at his best.

Greg
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: belli@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jack Belli)
Subject: Re: Got my Jerry tix!
Organization: University of Hawaii
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:53:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.115811.13997@grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com> gaile@grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com (Gail Edwards) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.165842.15713@adobe.com> lstein@adobe.com (Larry Stein) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct4.205257.18636@lclark.edu>, hall@lclark.edu (Matthew Hall) writes:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> p.s. 
>>> Is this the first time JGB has played the Coliseium?
>
>Will this be the first JGB "Werewolves of Oakland"?  Ahooooooooo!

 No there was a JGB Werewolves done in 1986 at HJKaiser 






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From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: Re: JGB east coast tour on sale dates!
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:14:05 GMT


on election night, after it is apparent that king george has been de-throned,

the dead will play a stealth show on a floating platform above the city

of san francisco, and they will open the first set with "Ding Dong the Wicked

Witch is Dead" Phil will turn into a green monkey, belt out Unbroken Chain,

and split home so he can get up for his raquetball game the next morning.

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From: blewis@helix.nih.gov (barbara lewis)
Subject: DB VI
Organization: National Institutes of Health
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:36:58 GMT

Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Keywords: 

Just got off the phone with Terrapin Tapes, DB VI is due out October 26th,
whatever that may mean to anyone..... no cost info avail yet.  Does anyone
have any info on P & H charges for ordering tapes via Terrapin??  Mucho
gracias!

"If the thunder doesn't get you, the lightening will!"

:)    Barb

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From: Joseph Galewsky <joe@miles.ucsc.edu>
Subject: JGB Haloween Ticket Grovel
Reply-To: joe@miles.ucsc.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:32:23 GMT

I can't believe it sold out already!! I am kicking myself for not getting
my tickets right away.  So PLEASE PLEASE does anyone have ONE extra
JGB Ticket? I can pay $$ or trade tapes or any combination. Please
email me at  joe@miles.ucsc.edu  or phone 408-426-0433.
Please oh please.
:(
Joe Galewsky
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From: mlaurenc@world.std.com (Matt Laurence)
Subject: Hypnotic Clambake info
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:51:41 GMT

!
Hey now, 'Bake-heads!

Hypnotic Clambake has finalized their late October/November
tour, and you're all invited! Following are the confirmed dates
of shows, and more may be added (if they are, I'll let you all
know). Anyway, on with the shows:

OCTOBER:
28th  The Penguin, Ottowa, Canada
29th  Calumet Arts Cafe, Buffalo NY
30th  Club L'Afrique, Rochester, NY
31st   Hallowe'en BASH at The Nines, Ithaca, NY

NOVEMBER:
1st   The Curve, Buffalo, NY
4th   Biddy Mulligan's, Chicago, IL
5th   The Unicorn, Milwaukee, WI
7th   7th Street Entry, Minneapolis, MN
11th  The Beer Mug, Erie, PA
12th  BJ's, Fredonia, NY
13th Niezsche's, Buffalo, NY
14th  Hickey Tavern, Allegheny, NY

All shows are cheap, too (like between $4 and $5), so take
a chance and join the dance! Be sure to bring lots of friends to
make the show a real riot... EVERYONE must hear "Chef
Mobie's Gumbo Gator," the song that induced James Dineen
(lighting man for Shockra) to pick up the clarinet again after 13 years.

After talking to Dave and Alex at the Omar Saeed show last
night, folks around Boston and Providence may want to keep
an eye out for an Omar/Bake double header sometime in
late November or December! Anyway, try to get out and see
these guys - they are still the only rock-bluegrass-reggae-
klezmer-hoedown-fusion-folk band to sing a really GOOD song
about meatloaf.... 

Take care, and thanks for listening!

Matt

P.S. If anyone wants to get on the real live paper mailing list 
for these guys, drop me an e-mail note with the subject header
HYPNOLIST (or something like that). Include your name, e-mail
address, real address and any comments, and I'll try to make sure
they get it.

P.S. I was privileged to hear tonight a preview of some of the
songs that will be on the next album. These were just 4- and 8-track
demos, but let me tell you, "Faraway Cows" and "The Girl Is
Psychic" are killer!
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Enuff flames (Re: DiamondBack mtg)
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:10:46 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <BvrA0M.DJp@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> jjmckay@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim McKay) writes:
>I love the Dead and happen to like some of Neil as well.  And I would like
>to think that an attitude of the Deadheads is acceptance. In other words

	I accept your right to go off and form rec.music.diamondback.  
	Bye. :-)
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:04:44 EDT
From: <MAH76X@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: more nit picks on overdubs...

In article <1992Sep30.142306.17261@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU>,
andrejkow@tbosch.dnet.ge.com says:
>
>        Wasn't "In the Dark" done with live instrumental tracks and overdubbed
>vocals?  Why wasn't that pitched as a "live" album?  Perhaps "Without A Net"

I've never heard that.  Doesn't mean that it isn't true, but I've never heard
it.

>is truly THE definitive "live" recording of the band in the '80's, in that it
>showcases a period of the band in which some of its members were incapable of
>producing coherant performances.  Now that I know the truth behind this
>recordinI find the title offensive.  How fitting for the carnival and circus
>packaging.
>I'm sure P.T. Barnum would have approved.

I think I have to agree with you.  When I think of the meaning of 'without a
net' I think of laying your balls down and suffering the consequences if you
fall.

As far as your statement 'band in which some of its members were incapable of
producing coherant performances'.  I would imagine the record company had
something to say about the overdubbing.  I don't know it as a fact, but I bet
they put a little pressure on the boyz to do so.

I would bet that the bottom line for puting out CDs is $$$$.  If they are
going to put one out, they want to make some money, as does the record company.
 The record company is going to want to make the highest profit margin
possible.  In their eyes, I would imagine a disc which will be played on the
radio will sell some extra discs if it sounds good.  I seriously doubt the
record company would say, well this isn't really how it was, and we want to
show the world the real picture.  They want to show the picture which will
put the most 'bread in their breadbox'.

On the subject of these live CDs I would like to say that OFTV I & II are
my favorite live discs I've ever owned :-).  They are representations of
what happened one night in time.  The sound quality is awsome.  I don't
want to see the Dead waste time on another collection of songs from various
shows, when they could be spending that time releasing more vault stuff.
But the record companies may not see it from my point of view :-O.

Joe Doheny
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Steve -- The Other One <sjeck@isi.com>
Subject: First Grandmother on Sex
Reply-To: sjeck@isi.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:26:44 GMT


On TV's "Larry King Live" when asked whether her
previously stated view that abortion shouldn't 
be a matter of public debate conflicts with her
husband's anti-abortion position, Barbara Bush said:

"I think the issue is that we ought to tell children
that  SEX IS -- IS DEATH.  Promiscuous sex is death.
They shouldn't be doing that."

------------------

How many people are old enought to remember your 
parents  telling you this in the late 1960's and
early 1970's?

Steve-TOO



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