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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 09:55:05 CDT
From:         "Don Baker,
              Systems Manager - Cline Library" <BAKERD@NAUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: CARL access to ERIC

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I never said that I doubted that there were free sources on the net for access
to ERIC data.  What I doubt is that CARL will continue to offer free access.
My basis for that assumption is that they make us per contract pay $5,000
annually for the privilege of bringing their ERIC up on our OPAC terminals.

I called 1 800 USE-ERIC and spoke to a very knowlegeable and friendly ERIC
representative who said she thinks free ERIC on CARL "won't last long."  I am
a little surprised a CARL rep hasn't spoken up here to clear the confusion.  I
will copy my message to CARL along with other messages in this thread.

The free ERIC data that I am aware of on WAIS is limited to ERIC Digest.
Syracuse's SUINFO PRISM ERIC is the CIJE/RIE database and is VERY nice, but
I'm told it only goes back 5 years.  I would like to hear if there is a _full_
ERIC database free to all net users that is here to stay.

The purpose of my original message was to warn non-subscribing users of _CARL_
ERIC not to become too dependent on it as it must soon go away.

Don Baker                     "Where the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum
Systems Manager                tubes and weighs 30 tons, computers in the
Cline Library                  future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes and
Northern Arizona University    weigh only 1 1/2 tons."
bakerd@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu      Future shock in March, 1949 _Popular Mechanics_
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 08:58:31 CDT
From:         John Iliff <jiff@well.sf.ca.us>
Subject:      Job Listing

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The following is a job posting for the Tampa Bay Library
Consortium.

CATALOGER/AUTOMATION LIBRARIAN.  Exciting opportunity for
self-starter beginning October 1, 1992.  You must be energetic,
eager to learn the details of retrospective conversion, tape
conversion, and automation planning.  This 20 hour a week (may
increase) position requires:

1 year minimum MARC cataloging experience preferably on an
automated library system.  Experience with Bibliofile, OCLC, AACR2,
and MARC formats a plus.  Salary is $12.00 per hour.

Send resume to:  Barbara J. Stites, Executive Director; Tampa Bay
Library  Consortium, 10002 Princess Palm Avenue, Suite 124, Tampa,
FL 33619.
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 12:09:29 CDT
From:         Pam Epe <pam_epe@central-gw.uow.edu.au>
Subject:      F.I.D. Conference?

Please reply to the author, not PACS-L. Thanks, Jill

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I have received a request from an academic at my university requesting
information (if possible details of the programme) on the 46th International
Federation of Information Documentation conference to be held in Madrid in
October this year.
Has anyone any details that they could forward electronically to me?
Thank you
Pam Epe
(pamepe@uow.edu.au)
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:22:41 CDT
From:         Bernard Lang <Bernard.Lang@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: Library Automation Questions
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From: rdebrece@alsvid.une.edu.au
Subject: Re: formats for bibliographic data

My vote goes to the BibTex/Refer format so that the document can be read
into ProCite, EndNote or one of the mainframe based bibliographic packages
 ...
Roger Debreceny
--------------------------------

  Indeed, this is a most commonly used format, ... for lack of anything
better. But in my view it is very inadequate.
  Many situations cannot be handled, e.g. a conference proceeding that
is also an issue of 2 distinct journals, all 3 being the same
document. Or a PhD dissertation which is also a technical report.  And
what about authors who keep changing the spelling of their names.  I
once made a list of such problem and it was long enough to make me
quite dissatisfied. I did not make up any of them, but encountered
them in my work (and I am not a librarian, just a CS researcher).
  I doubt there is a universal system, but existing one could be
greatly improved with a little bit of thinking and experience (in
reverse order), without going to the extremes of UNESCO 500 pages
standards (I have not really counted, but it is big).

  This being said, BibTex/Refer format is certainly a nice first step.

I would also emphasize that a bibliographic database is most useful
when it can be directly used to incorporate citation in documents,
which is precisely the purpose of the BibTex/Refer format. However,
they become unmanageable when the database becomes large.

Bernard Lang
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 11:54:27 CDT
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Subject:      Spelling: DISC

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From: pbaker@ltpsun.gsfc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: Re spelling: disc-with-a-c
>Since CD-ROMs are also CDs, and since the name that appears
>on every CD (and every CD-ROM?) is "Compact Disc" or
>"compact disc," I will continue to assert that the only
>legitimate spelling for a CD-ROM is disc-with-a-c.
>-walt crawford-

How about read-only optical disc, which becomes ROOD (pronounced "rude")?
Anything to save keystrokes...

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From:         Walter Giesbrecht <WALTERG@VM2.YorkU.CA>
Subject:      Re: Re spelling: disc-with-a-c
This issue has been with us as long as CD-ROMs have been around. I remember
seeing an announcement, in either ONLINE or DATABASE, that the editorial
style would be for the spelling 'disk'; the announcement stated that the
world only needed one spelling for a word describing a round, flat object.
The most reasonable compromise I have seen for this disagreement was that
if it was an optical recording, it would be "disc"; if magnetic, "disk".
Where this leaves magneto-optical discs (or disks) is left as an issue for
the reader to ponder ...

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From: tdowling@lib.washington.edu (Thomas Dowling)

As I was taught in library school (must've been a *real* slow day)--

Analog discs are spelled with a "c", as in laser disc video and vinyl
record album discs.

Digital disks are spelled with a "k", as in hard disks, floppy disks (or
diskettes), and WORM disks.

The only exception is the compact disc, which is digital but spelled with
a "c".

Has anyone else run across a purported rule like this?

Thomas Dowling
University of Washington Libraries
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 09:39:32 CDT
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Subject:      Bush/Quayle Bulletin Board

From: kclelan1@cc.swarthmore.edu
Subject: For reference questions...Bush/Quayle bulletin board?

Is there also a Bush/Quayle automated mail server?  As a Reference
Librarian
I'd like to be able to answer questions about access to information about
both campaigns...otherwise I'm not starting from a non-partisan base
(regardless of personal politics, which probably match those of most
college
and university librarians).

Kate Cleland
Social Sciences Librarian
500 College Ave.
Swarthmore College
Swarthmore, PA 19081
(215) 328-8503
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:07:44 CDT
From:         Gerald L Isaacs <gli@carroll1.cc.edu>
Subject: Re: Network Access to Clinton/Gore Campaign. ILLEGAL???
              92 2:18 pm

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Is it legal to use the Internet which is a federally funded
network for Campaign Propaganda????
--
Jerry Isaacs
Director Academic Computing
Director Telecommunications
Carroll College
100 N. East Ave.
Waukesha Wi 53186
414-524-7148
gli@carroll1.cc.edu
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 10:37:40 CDT
From:         "Michael S. Hart" <HART@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu>
Subject:      Project Gutenberg Newsletter
X-cc:         Chris Leja <cleja@attmail.com>, Chris Leja <chris@eagle.ibc.edu>

----------------------------Original message----------------------------


We need a Shakespeare fan who will test samples of our various etext
editions against print editions for copyright information to prove a
text is Public Domain (or they are in the Public Domain).

All you have to do is send us xeroxes of the copyright and title.


=====================================================

Thank you for your interest,

Michael S. Hart, Professor of Electronic Text
Executive Director of Project Gutenberg Etext
Illinois Benedictine College, Lisle, IL 60532
No official connection to U of Illinois--UIUC
hart @uiucvmd.bitnet or hart@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 10:05:21 CDT
From:         Charles Hildreth <hildreth@eagle.sangamon.edu>
Subject:      Subject Access for Gopher

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Reading the responses to the proposal to use Library of Congress Subject
Headings (LCSH) for subject access via Gopher has been both fascinating
and heartening. The level of insight and analysis revealed in these
responses has been quite high.

I do not recall anyone speaking in favor of using LCSH for this purpose!
This is both heartening and sad, as LCSH is our primary national subject
access vocabulary.

The majority of the responses recommend consideration of a classification
scheme or system, such as LCC, Dewey, or the UDC, instead of LCSH. This
is fascinating, as U.S. librarians are often thought to be less than
enthusiastic about the role of classification in bibliographic control
and access than, say, our U.K. and European colleagues.

The best suggestion made to those beginning work on this project was that
they do a bit of reading. If they are still considering LCSH, from the vast
body of literature on its shortcomings and limitations I would recommend:

    William Mischo. "Library of Congress Subject Headings: A Review of
    the Problems, and Prospects for Improved Subject Access." Cataloging
    & Classification Quarterly, 1(2/3), 1982. 105-124.

    Mary Dykstra. "LC Subject Headings Disguised as a Thesaurus." Library
    Journal, March 1, 1988. 42-46.

    ------------. "Can Subject Headings be Saved?" Library Journal,
    September 15, 1988. 55-58.

    Marcia J. Bates. "Rethinking Subject Cataloging in the Online
    Environment." LRTS, 33(4), October 1989. 400-412.

    Pauline A. Cochrane. Improving LCSH for Use in Online Catalogs.
    Littleton, CO: Libraries Unlimited. 1986.

If, on the other hand, they are thinking of using a classification system,
I would urge them to read about *faceted* classification. This is a great
time to consider a new system. Why put new wine in old bottles? A good
introductory read is:

    Eric J. Hunter. Classification Made Simple. Aldershot, England: Gower
    Publishing. 1988. (Chapter Three is on faceted classification.)

The References at the back of Hunter's book point to some of the best
work in this area, including:

    Brian C. Vickery. Faceted Classification: A Guide to the Construction
    and Use of Special Schemes. London: ASLIB, 1960.

    Jean Aitchison, and Alan Gilchrist. Thesaurus Construction: A Practical
    Manual, 2nd edition. London: ASLIB, 1987.

And most anything written by John Mills or the Fosketts will be rewarding.

Charles Hildreth
READ Ltd.
(hildreth@eagle.sangamon.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:36:23 CDT
From:         BM.NCD@RLG.BITNET

Please reply directly to the author, not PACS-L.  Thanks.

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Date: 8-26-1992
From:Ewa Jankowska-Lategano - NYPL
I will be attending LITA conference in Denver and I would like
very much to talk to any colleagues who had any experience
introducing electronic reference services in Eastern Europe.
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 10:00:37 CDT
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Subject:      Library Automation--Comments & Questions

4 Messages, 71 Lines
1) Screen Capture--Reply
2) Using WAIS and GOPHER Clients on VMS Systems
3) UNIX/NOVELL Software
4) Handicapped NOTIS Workstations
Please reply directly to the author, not PACS-L.  Thanks, Dana
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From:     USERKURM@UALTAMTS.BITNET
Subject:  Library Automation--Comments & Questions

Try applying citeread to the screen capture file.
Format is: cr inputfile outputfile
with inputfile=screen capture file.
Package is available as CITEREAD.ZIP on various anonymous ftp sites.

Bill Kurmey
Information Technology Systems
U of Alberta Library
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From: "Bill Drew-Serials/Reference Librar. SUNY Morrisville"
 <DREWWE@snymorva.bitnet>
Subject: Using WAIS and GOPHER clients on VMS systems

Has anyone successfully implemented gopher and/or wais clients on their VAX VMS
systems?  I am in particular interested in anyone that is using it in a
personal account with just normal user privileges.  I have looked at various
clients and can't seem to get them to work.  I have not looked into this in
several months.  My frustration is that most of the clients seem to need  more
than just user privileges.

Please reply directly to me and I post to the list.

Wilfred Drew (Call me "Bill")   Serials/Reference/Computers Librarian
State University of New York  College of Agriculture and Technology
P.O. Box 902;  Morrisville, NY 13408-0902
BITNET: DREWWE@SNYMORVA Internet: DREWWE@SNYMORVA.CS.SNYMOR.EDU
Phone: (315)684-6055 or 684-6060  Fax: (315)684-6115
Any opinions expressed here are mine and are subject to change without notice.
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From: Frank Simmons <fsimmons@ua.d.umn.edu>
Subject: UNIX/NOVELL software

I am given to understand that at the last ALA meeting there was a
presentation by the LITA folks on some software that lets UNIX talk to a
NOVELL network and thence to maybe a CD-ROM mounted on a PC. I have a need
for just this thing. Can anyone shed more light on it for me or point me to
the right folks to communicate with ?
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Frank Simmons                             Hollernet: 1-218-726-7587
Senior User Services Specialist           Help Desk manager
Information Services                      CWIS - INFO manager
University of Minnesota, Duluth           Internet: fsimmons@ua.d.umn.edu
Duluth MN, 55812                          BITNET: fsimmons@umndul
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From:    "Robert H. Wittorf (219) 239-6429"   <AX46LY@IRISHMVS.BITNET>
Subject: HANDICAPPED NOTIS WORKSTATIONS

[EXCUSE THE CROSS-POSTING ON NOTIS-L AND PACS-L]
I am interested in finding hardware/software configuations for
handicapped workstations for blind and partly-sighted individuals.
I am especially interested in workstations that primarily access
NOTIS.
Please reply to me directly.
Bob Wittorf
LZZTHW@IRISHMVS
University of Notre Dame
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Subject:      Wais Protocols

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From: (Dirk Herr-Hoyman) <dhoyman@fammed.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: Fully WAIS indexed speeches

>  Would someone mind helping a rookie? What exactly is a WAIS protocol?
>(Even though I can't use it, running a humble antique Apple...)

You probably got bombarded, but let me add my 2 cents.

WAIS stands for Wide Area Information Systems.  Basically, this means you
have a client/server lookup via wide area networks, like the Internet.  So,
I run a WAIS client on my local computer and the query is sent out to some
other computer on the Internet.

Now, there's a little more to WAIS then just querying.  WAIS is able to do
full text retrival and supports graphics/sound and other multimedia
formats.  The WAIS protocol is currently become an "official" standard.
Right now it's called z39.50, but that number may change when it's
official.  A company in Boston that specializes in large, parallel
processing computers, Thinking Machines, has been spearheading WAIS.

WAIS appears to have the critical mass needed to be useful.  I have seen
lot's of interest in it of late.

If you want a more thorough discussion, Byte had a good article just about
a year ago (I can't recall the month).

Dirk Herr-Hoyman                              |      Are we
University of Wisconsin-Madison               |      kinder and gentler
Dept. of Family Medicine and Practice         |      yet?
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(608) 262-6368   voice                        |
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From: Paul Jones <pjones@mento.oit.unc.edu>
Subject: Re: Fully WAIS indexed speeches

You may pick up WAIS clients for most any platform (unix, X, DOS,
MS-Windows, Macintosh, VMS--but not for VM or MVS) via anonymous ftp from
think.com or sunsite.unc.edu in the pub/wais directory at either site.
There you will find documentation and examples of wais sessions as well.
If your mac is on the Internet, you can WAIS directly from your mac. If
not you may have to connect to a host that is on the internet, such as a
unix host. If you want to try out a simple terminal window client, telnet
to bbs.oit.unc.edu and login as bbs and follow the instructions or telnet
quake.think.com and login as wais.
Welcome to the world of free text searching

       Paul Jones
       Office FOR Information Technology
       University of North Carolina
       Chapel Hill, NC
       Paul_Jones@unc.edu
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From:         Elizabeth Lane <ELANE3@UA1VM.BITNET>
Subject:      Thesaurus Lingua Greci

Please reply to the author, not PACS-L.  Thank you.

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
A professor of philosophy I know who either doesn't have Internet access
or isn't sure how to get it at his institution asked me to post this
query for him. Please reply via e-mail to me, not to the list.

Does anyone know of an institution which has the Thesaurus Lingua
Greci (sp?), aka the TLG, available in electronic form? Ideally, he'd
like to find a place that would provide access over the Internet,
but even a school with local access would be a start. He'd appreciate
any leads on this. (If there's a better list for me to post this
query to, I'd appreciate suggestions on that, as well.)

Thanks in advance to anyone who can help.

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Reply-To:     Mel Roseman <mrosema@sol.CalState.EDU>
From:         Mel Roseman <mrosema@sol.CalState.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Accessing ERIC

Thanks to all who also let us know ERIC doesn't require a password.  -Jill

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Although a password is required to access many of the CARL
databases, ERIC is, happily, an exception and is available to all.

telnet> (open) pac.carl.org

- Mel Roseman

mrosema@eis.calstate.edu
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 10:28:04 CDT
From:         Edward Vielmetti <emv@msen.com>
Subject:      network treasure hunt - here are some clues

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I did some of the scout work for the network treasure hunt.  If you
have "gopher" installed on your system, point it at
	Msen gopher (gopher.msen.com)
	 Lots of interesting things
	  Network Treasure Hunt
You'll see gopher links to WAIS servers, library catalogs, WHOIS and
X.500 name servers, and much of the rest of what I think you'd need
to solve the problems.

None of the actual *answers* are there, just the resources.  And you'll
need to poke around some even so just to get some use out of these,
what with not everything being set up the same way.

If you don't have gopher you can get the software from
	boombox.micro.umn.edu:/pub/gopher
by anonymous FTP.  Or telnet to
	consultant.micro.umn.edu; login: gopher
to connect up.

--Ed

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