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From: vaisnavi@m-net.ann-arbor.mi.us (vaisnavi)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.eastern
Subject: Buddha and Malunkya Putta
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:08:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.47414
Distribution: world
Organization: ----


     Once a monk by the name of Malunkya Putta grew
dissatisfied  with Buddha's teaching. He challenged
Buddha in an open assembly.

      "Many things  you have omitted in your doctrines"
he said. "You have not said whether or not the world
is eternal;  whether or not it is finite; whether or
not the soul and the body are one thing; whether or
not the soul exists after death -- all  such questions
you have not covered. Unless you can answer them I will
leave the order. If you don't know the answers,  say so
and don't prevaricate."

      Buddha replied, "Malunkya Putta, did I make it a 
condition that I should answer all these questions of
yours to be in the order? Did I say, "Come, Malunkya
Putta, come into the order, and I will explain all these
matters to you?"

     Malunkya Putta replied, "No, reverend sir."

     Buddha continued, "Then why do you threaten me,
Malunkya Putta, about leaving the order? Now listen,
Malunkya Putta. All your questions are in vain. It is
profitless to explain them or to speculate on them. 
What have I explained, then? I have explained misery.
I have explained the cessation of misery. I have done
so because these are profitable exercises, they deal 
with the fundamentals of religion and lead to certain
attitudes, ethics and modes of behaviour. I don't deal
with idle fancies, Malunkya Putta."

[ From Buddhiam ]

Peace,
Vaisnavi.
From: kish@kish.rutgers.edu (Kish)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.eastern
Subject: wisdom from the bean-curd way, pt. 1
Date: 13 Dec 92 16:05:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.47221
Distribution: world
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Given the recent threads on effort and practice, I thought the
following letter to Tofu Roshi, master of the bean-curd way, might
provide us with some food for thought.

---

Dear Tofu Roshi:
	How can I get my higher and lower self to cooperate with each
other ?  I am torn apart by conflicting desires.  To sleep, or sit
shivering with cold in the early morning dark of the zendo ?  To make
love with my wife, or to go to a class on the Heart Sutra ?  It's not
just a time conflict, but a philosphical conflict as well.  The sutra
says, "No eyes, no ears, no nose, no tongue, no body, no mind," and
this makes lovemaking very difficult, if not impossible.  I could
probably muddle through without the first three, but the other stuff I
need. 
						--- Zendoid

Dear Zendoid,
	Your dualistic thinking is causing you unnecessary suffering.
Stand on your head and ask yourself where is your higher self, where
is your lower.  Or ask yourself, "Who is it, who makes love with my
wife ?"

---


Plenty to chew on here, indeed.  Has anyone seen the tahini ?



Yours in Dharma,
-Bill


ps.  The above letter is taken from "The Life and Letters of Tofu
Roshi", by Susan "Ichi Su" Moon.
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From: mcfarlan@corona.math.washington.edu (Thomas J. McFarlane)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.eastern
Subject: Re: 4 Noble Truths
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:38:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.47574
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Washington, Mathematics, Seattle

In article <47420@ogicse.ogi.edu> kris@bsg8.Corp.Sun.COM (Kris Skrinak) writes:
>I think that 'suffering' as a basis of spirituality has no relevance in
>Western culture.
>
>I am not suffering. I am wealthy, healthy, in touch with my
>surroundings and those around me. Further, I am happy and optimistic.
>
>I believe and espouse non-dualistic teachings. But avoiding or ending
>suffering has nothing at all to do with it.
>
First, I think it is wonderful that you are not suffering.  A compassionate
look around you,though, will reveal that other people are not so fortunate
as you.  There is suffering all over the place in Western culture, as there
is in any and all cultures.  And, as a believer and espouser of non-dualistic
teachings, there is no difference between your suffering and the suffering
of those around you.  The world's suffering is your suffering.  So, in this
sense (in Truth), you are suffering.

Second, ending suffering has everything to do with non-dualistic teaching.
For suffering arises from selfishness, which arises from the duality of
self and world.  Thus practicing non-dualism implies practicing compassion
and selflessness, and helping others (who are oneself) to be free from their
suffering, which is the suffering of the whole world.  We're in this together.

Tom McFarlane
From: seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: More total blatant fluff
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:11:15 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1992Dec15.215555.10995@vpnet.chi.il.us> orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons) writes:

Yeay, he's back!!
Welcome back.
>
>                ____
>  david parsons \bi/ "That's *MR* Vanilla to you"
>                 \/
O you of the many sigs, Come and amuse me again.


-- 
Jim Dilmore - seamus@brahms.udel.edu    or    dilmore@che.udel.edu 
               SILENCE = DEATH      Safe sex doesn't mean no sex.          
Give me life, Give me pain,         It just means use your imagination. 
Give me myself again.  Tori Amos.            Billy Bragg
From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: height (was Re: Introduction, or De-Muffining)
Date: 19 Dec 92 17:21:09 GMT
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Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
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In-reply-to: woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au's message of Sat, 19 Dec 1992 02:16:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.021628.5169@latcs1.lat.oz.au> woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) writes:
>safarj@jec311.its.rpi.edu (Jonah Emanuel Safar) writes:
>>Okay folks, here's an intersting question,
>>what is the perfect height?

>5'1", 5'2", 5'5", 5'6", 5'7" & 5'7", I'd say.

*suffer*...and I'm 5'8"...6' in the 4" heels that go with that dress in
my gif.  Will you love me if I kind of scrunch down, Joe? (*smile*)

Muffy
--

Muffy Barkocy                      | ~Can you tell me how much bleeding/it
muffy@mica.berkeley.edu            |  takes to fill a word with meaning and/
"amorous inclinations"? Aha! I'm   |  how much how much death it takes/to give
not "not straight," I'm *inclined*.|  a slogan breath?~ - Bruce Cockburn
From: mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: "Straight Suck"
Date: 20 Dec 1992 08:42:57 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: earthquake.berkeley.edu

rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
>hetbashing graffiti: It's about time.

S'funny.  I was just thinking that (although not for the first time) on
my subway ride home tonight.  All these Marlboro ads of Clint Eastwood
style emotionless hard men, and every woman is either caring, nurturing,
or most often simply decorative.  I look at that backdrop, then watch
the people (especially couples) around me on the platform, acting out
these roles which to them seem like Natural Law, and to my jaundiced
(enlightened?) eyes they seem like wooden, hollow formulas.  The phrase
for daubing that ran around my head was "Gender roles suck".  I was too
much the realist to think it would change much of anything to do it, but
I'd feel better knowing that I'd had my say, that I'd told these
supports of our gender kitsch, marketing people, that their images
offend these eyes.

Didn't do it though.  No pen.  And I'm a wimp.  (There was a cop there
too, but thankfully I'm the "right" colour - any Michelle Shocked fans
out there will know what happened to Michael Stewart.)

Mike
-- 
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      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and      |  Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion          |                 - Bruce Cockburn
               --The end of confusion is the beginning of death--
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: an3258@anon.penet.fi
Subject: some questions for a newbie
X-Anonymously-To: soc.bi
Organization: Anonymous contact service
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 02:14:00 GMT

Readin this service and the bisexu-l listserv has aroused my
curiosity (among other things).  I would welcome suggestions
as to "gentle" ways to further explore the world of bi.  I fully
accept it intellectually.  However, I really don't feel a physical
attraction to other Ms.  I would appreciate corresponding with others
(especially biFs).  Also, is there any way to post to the listserv
bi-sexu-l anonomously?

Thanks,
Curious and Intrigued
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From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: Re: Sexual consent (Was: Roy's "consenting" slave)
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 02:33:04 GMT

In article <1h2o1nINN774@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
>In article <1992Dec19.211201.18627@midway.uchicago.edu> h431@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>->
>->Or apathetic?  Or passive?  Or when you ask if this is "ok" they don't 
>->say anything?
>[...]
>->Again, what if they respond passively?
>
>Pardon me, but, while I think that someone already said this, there's
>something that I'd like to repeat (in case nobody already said it :) ).  
>
>In the US, at least, we've had repeated and wide-spread campaigns to educate
>people that "no means no."  
>
>Now, please don`t get me wrong -- "No" _does_ mean "no."  It also means
>"stop."

Actually, in this situation, I did ask, and didn't get "no" for an answer.
But I didn't get "yes", either.  I got silence.  I interpreted the silence
as "no".  
>
>But lack of resistance is _not_ the same as consent, IMHO.  Lack of
>resistance, coupled with a passive response (which isn't really a response
>in this case, or at least not one that should be taken to mean 'yes'),
>sounds like lack of consent here.  
>
>It isn't important just to not have hir resisting.  It is essential, IMHO,
>to have the person's clear and explicit consent.

I definitely agree with you.
>
>-roy
>-- 



-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: gtoal@rachel.ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: De-muffinning 
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:23:57 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

shelly@rachel.ibmpcug.co.uk (Shelly DelVeccio) writes:
: So here I am, hug me, quick!

*MEGA-HUGS!!!!*

Glad you could make it <smooch, smooch, naughty licks etc>

G
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Hello World -
Date: 20 Dec 92 01:05:00 GMT
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin

In <1992Dec17.143344.7017@penet.fi>
an2072@anon.penet.fi writes his first (anon) posting to soc.bi

Welcome. Interesting choice of Subject: line. You must be a C
programmer :-)

>BTW ima Bi White Male - mid 30's - 
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Well, if you're a BMW then I guess that Sara Hopkins is a mountain
bike :-)


Ciaran.
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\bi/ Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.
 \/  Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-6772204
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Subject: Is personality visible through email
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:16:41 GMT

In <1gltqpINNhsr@agate.berkeley.edu> mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd) writes:
>[...] I just want to observe that I am still amazed at the
>extent to which email can convey personality to a careful reader.  [...]
>It's my HO that people project more of themselves than they think they
>do, in the main. [...] I'm equally amused by misreads, I should add.

When I met some soc.bi folk at the London Pride march and then up in
Edinburgh, several people were surprised that I was not much like I
appeared on the net. It appears that I come across as being 40+ years of
age and have no sense of humour. I was amused when I met Kay Dekker and
after chatting to him for about 5 minutes he proclaimed "You're nothing
like what I expected. You're *smiling*!"


Ciaran.
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---- Ciaran McHale (cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie)
\bi/ Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.
 \/  Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-6772204
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (Alan R. Weiss)
Subject: Re: Porn (was Re: Vikki's Problems With Kerry&Me)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:13:47 GMT
Organization: (speaking for myself, 'natch)

In article <1992Dec17.094936.8981@nwnexus.WA.COM> elf@halcyon.com writes:
>In article <1gp8ufINN8rb@agate.berkeley.edu>
>     mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd) writes:
>
>>rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
>
>>>One of the more memorable things that I believe she's said is that all
>>>het intercourse is rape.
>
>   "Fucking annihilates the woman, overwhelming her with a sense of
>possession that ultimately leads to degredation and death.  This happens
>regardless of how 'good' the woman thinks the fucking is."

Even if the one doing the fucking is, say, a woman, and the,
er, fuckee (giggle) is the man.  Orrrrr, just for kicks, if
two males are fucking each other ...... Orrrrrr, hmmmm, two
females are fucking each other (use your imagination, kids :-)

Although, the French *do* call orgasm "le petit morte"
(the little death).  Could this be what the eloquent
Ms. Dworkin means??  Not.

Andrea Dworkin as sexist pig.


>   "This loss of self is a physical reality, not just a psychic
>vampirism; and as a physical reality it is chilling and extreme,

If you've seen Andrea, you can believe this much!


> a
>literal erosion of the body's integrity and it's ability to function
>and survive.  This sexual posession is a state of being that borders on
>antibeing until it ends in death.  The body dies, or the man discards
>the body when it is used up, throws away like an old, useless thing,
>and empty bottle.  The body is used up, the will is raped.  Intercourse
>itself is sheer rape."
>
>      - Andrea Dworkin.  "Intercourse," pg 78.  (Macmillian, 1987)

God, I love it when she talks dirty to me.  Lest you doubt
the wisdom of Ms. Dworkin -- she's just invalidated ALL your
pleasant feelings during sexual intercourse (penile variation).
Congratulations - now YOU are eroded, now YOU have been raped.
Please.


>   Just to clear it up... more to come.
>
>         Elf !!!
>--
>Elf Sternberg.   (elf@halcyon.com)


Oh, keep those ditties coming, Elf!

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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: Introduction, or De-Muffining
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:10:03 GMT

In article <93j29m+@rpi.edu> safarj@jec311.its.rpi.edu (Jonah Emanuel Safar) writes:
> Well, I wouldn't call 5'10" tall... but certainly not short either.  Hell,
>I'm 5'10" and like it just fine. :) Okay folks, here's an intersting question,
>what is the perfect height?  And take make matters even more strange, can
>we come up with an equation relating your height to the perfect height of
>your partner(s)....?

Perfect height?  Tricky...

	A few inches taller than I, so I can gaze up into their eyes.
	Just my height, so I can kiss them straight on the lips.
	A few inches shorter, so I can wrap myself round them and
	    nuzzle the back of their neck while hugging their front.

	Not so tall I have to stand on a box to see anything other
	    than their crotch.
	Not so short that I tread on them when I'm not looking.

				Kay
-- 
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37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss,cmh.lesbigay
From: magarret@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (CAT LOVER)
Subject: Looking for someone!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: oh
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:05:52 GMT

Well, here goes again!
I'm 34, SWF, bi, 5'2" and 108 lbs, brown eyed and haired, and been told I'm
pretty, for what it's worth!
I have just recently come to the conclusion that I am bi, but very much want to
have an experience/relationship with a woman but don't know where to begin!
I've posted here before, and only got guys writing me back saying their
girlfriends were curious and could set me up with them, but that's not quite
what I had in mind, and besides, they always get cold feet!
I am looking for someone in Ohio, preferably even Columbus, if possible,
for a possible relationship/friendship.
I am attracted to feminine types, in general, who are in shape and attractive.
If you are interested, and NOT a guy, please write!
From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: answers (was Re: Attack of the Seperatists)
Followup-To: soc.bi
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:08:42
Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
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In-reply-to: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu's message of Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:14:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.031456.10153@news.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
> what's Muffy's favorite color ;) (things like that)

I know, I know!  "Black."

Muffy
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Muffy Barkocy                      | ~Can you tell me how much bleeding/it
muffy@mica.berkeley.edu            |  takes to fill a word with meaning and/
"amorous inclinations"? Aha! I'm   |  how much how much death it takes/to give
not "not straight," I'm *inclined*.|  a slogan breath?~ - Bruce Cockburn
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: ktfizazi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Kamal Tayeb Fizazi)
Subject: Re: Oooh, am I miffed!
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 05:22:46 GMT

In article <MlR=7x#@engin.umich.edu> rowe@engin.umich.edu (Steven Rowe) writes:
>Growf!  I just got back home from a night out at a local disco (it's
>gay night 2-nite).  I almost had a wonderful time, but...
>
>I just posted recently about the cute little pin (button) I bought.
>Pretty inocuous, 1.5 cm diameter, interlocking mars/venus signs.
>So, I'm walking along, I pass a group of folks, and pull up a stool.
>Then I hear them saying stuff like "Did you see that pin?  Imagine
>walking around saying 'I'm bisexual.'  Yuck!  What audacity!"
>So I look over, and yes, they were talking about ME.  I smiled
>demurel, got up, and found a much more bi-friendly environment...
>Here.  Hug me?
HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG*HUG!!!
i'M SORRY Steve.  That sounds horrible.  I feel bad b/c I know what it's like
to fear that.  I just had a wonderful night last night at an LGBA (assoc.)
party, where I had a gay friend stand up for me when some asshole complained
about straight people being there: non-gay (asshole!!!I can't believe he thinks
like that)...  I went home with seven friends, and was gradually closer to a 
woman in the group, all in front of two gay friends...  I was afraid that I was
going to get some sort of rejection or comments from them.  They were really
supportive!  There are some non-bi-phobic guys out there, trust me!  
Have some more HUGS (how long is the flight from Newark or New York? any idea?)

>Steve Rowe: B0 f- w- c g+ k+ s- e+ r-
>I drank too much beer, then tried to sober up by drinking
>too much coffee.  The result was that I was still making
>irrational decisions, but I was making them *FAST*!  -me
Kamal


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From: safarj@jec311.its.rpi.edu (Jonah Emanuel Safar)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Introduction, or De-Muffining
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:29:42 GMT

moragw@castle.ed.ac.uk (Alloy Serving Woman) writes:

>RE: And is everyone so tall around here?
>I don't know about the others but I'm 5'10 and I _love_ being tall (and
>maybe its the only thing I'm not so insecure about...)

>*hugs* to all, tallbis and shortbis together.
>Mo

 Well, I wouldn't call 5'10" tall... but certainly not short either.  Hell,
I'm 5'10" and like it just fine. :) Okay folks, here's an intersting question,
what is the perfect height?  And take make matters even more strange, can
we come up with an equation relating your height to the perfect height of
your partner(s)....?

>(Its pathetic how many letters I'll answer just to put off the
>programing but I can hear it whimpering from my folder so I'll go and
>put it out of its misery now.)

 Hrm.. beter be careful, when work reaches a critical mass it gets ornary,
mine bit me last night.

-Jonah
(One who has been up waaaay to long and is just feeling silly in general.)
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From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Re: Liberty (was something relevant about CO-2 long ago...)
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:56:02 GMT
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ

In article <1992Dec20.113945.26727@panix.com> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
>
>
> >Secondly, you're absolutely correct about one thing:  I don't
> >think this is a very big priority, in my life.  No, I'm not
> >insensitive or boorish or stooopid --> 
>I guess you're just a pretty good actor, then.  You sure had me
>fooled.

Me too.  Why is it these idiots always stand up and say:

1) Not me!  However....

2) I don't understand why you think this is a big deal and I
don't think about it much but....

3) Since I don't think its important, and since I don't think
about it, here's my completely uninformed opinion which I'm sure
you're just dying to hear, since I'm so smart and am going to tell
you things with my "shoot from the hip" analysis that in all your years
of thinking about this will never have occurred to you.

4) Why are you mad?  I'm really on your side!  Gosh, how rude of you
to reject my great wisdom on this subject, if you'd just shut up and
listen to clueless me, you'd realize how smart I am! Pout! scream!
whine!


I guess I see this pattern often enough that I want to shoot quick
as soon as I see the not me, so I don't have to listen to the rest.


Ry Schwark
ry@usl.com
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