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From: wolfgang@rahul.net (Wolfgang Henke)
Subject: Re: Problems with "tip" on a Sun 3/60
Organization: a2i network
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 07:34:37 GMT

doom@leland.Stanford.EDU (Joseph Brenner) writes:
: 
: But for some reason, "tip" will only make a connection at
: the default speed of 300 baud.  At any other speed, we get
: error messages like "can not synchronize with Hayes" (which
: is the kind of modem we're using). 

I use tip on a 3/60 between 2400 to 38400 baud DTE speed without problems.
I assume that the modem does not autobaud correctly. Is there a way to set
the DTE speed on the modem? Set it to the speed you have in /etc/remote.   
In some modems there is not explicit command to set the DTE rate. In this
case you hook it up to a computer which can talk to the modem the desired
speed and do AT&W. Then the DTE should be set to the speed this AT&W was
given at.


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Wolfgang Henke <wolfgang@rahul.net>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: jchin@prodigy.bc.ca (Joseph Chin)
Subject: Thermal output of 690MP
Reply-To: jchin@prodigy.bc.ca
Organization: Prodigy Technologies Corp.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:00:31 GMT

Does anyone know the thermal output (in B.T.U.) for a 690MP with 4 processors, 8 IPI drives, a CD-ROM drive, and an Exabyte drive? I asked all the local Sun reps I know and none can give me a straight answer. I also call their Canada-wide 1-800 tech support line to no avail.

Also, any recommendation for an online power backup unit for the 690MP?

Thanks.

Joe
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From: wilker@hopf.math.purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Sun 3/60 questions.. Color Buffers and VME bus
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:47:06 GMT

1) What color frame buffers are usable in the 3/60? will the cgfour from
   a 3/80 work?
2) If the 3/60 motherboard is plugged into a VME multislot chassis, is there
any access to the other slots? My impression is that the 3/60 has a one
slot VME chassis. I wondered if anything actually happened on the bus.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.dcom.modems
From: mrs@osustat.mps.ohio-state.edu (Michael Robert Savage)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: comp.sys.sun.admin comp.sys.sun.misc comp.sun-managers
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:57:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: zaphod.16bfukINNrqe
Followup-To: mrs@payne.mps.ohio-state.edu
Distribution: world
Organization: Department of Astronomy, The Ohio State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: osustat.mps.ohio-state.edu

Dear SUN People:

 I'm trying to connect an Lenmark (IBM) Laser Printer 10L to a SUN
SPARCstation 1+ via the SUN's RS-232 Serial Port. I am having alot
of trouble with this installation. Has anyone on the Internet
done this before and can supply me with their /etc/printcap file?

I can communicate with the laser printer when I send it straight
and simple ASCII files but I cannot get it to work with Postscript.
I keep getting communication errors whenever I send out any postscript
files. Does anyone have any history with these new printers?

I would love to get a working /etc/printcap file for this printer. The
Lenmark (IBM) people are "working on this problem", but so far no help.
Please send E-Mail to the following address:

   mrs@payne.mps.ohio-state.edu

Take care and have a great day.

M. R. Savage
The Ohio State University
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From: aek@Apple.COM (Al Kossow)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,misc.forsale.computers
Subject: Sun 3/260 board set available
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:27:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: RISC Products Group, Apple Computer, Inc.

Sun 3/260 board set, includes

1) 501-1206 CPU
3) 8 mb memory boards (24mb total)
1) Xylogics 7053 disc controller
1) 501-1236 SCSI-3 controller         $1500.00/lot

Offers on individual boards will not be considered
-- 

Al Kossow @ Apple Computer, Inc., Cupertino, CA
Internet: aek@apple.com
Phone: (408) 974-5136
From: bender@oobleck (Duke of Canterbury)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Additional RS232 ports
Date: 13 Aug 1992 23:08:49 GMT
Organization: SPARK's R US
Reply-To: bender@oobleck.eng.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: oobleck
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

adar@taurus.math.tau.ac.il (Adar Wesley) writes:
: In article <l8fbnjINN2jd@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> bender@oobleck.eng.sun.com writes:
: >bumbles@leland.Stanford.EDU (Steven Alexander) writes:
: >: We have a need for using 15-20 serial RS232 ports on our
: >: Sun Sparcstation 1. It comes with 2 serial ports. What
: >: are our options for the additional ports?
: >
: >You can get the SPC/S card from Sun - it offers 8 serial ports and one
: >parallel port per card.
: 
: We have the card that Mike is describing on a SparcStation-2.
: 
: The problem is that sometimes when people logout they leave a
: process hanging on the port in the state <exiting>.
: From then on, the only thing that we found to bring that port
: back to life is to reboot the machine.

There is a new release of the software out, 1.2 SPC/S, that fixes this bug.
The bug manifested itself typically with dial-in modems and was caused by
the phone line connection being dropped while there was still data waiting
to be sent from the device driver to the modem, but data transmission from
the driver to the modem was stopped because of flow control.  The 1.2 SPC/S
software fixes this problem in the driver.  The root cause of the problem,
however, has to do with AT&T's STREAMS code not honoring a non-blocking
close() call nor following the STREAMS close() semantics of timing out after
a certain period of time from when the user application did a close() to the
serial port and there was still data to be sent to the device.  As far as I
know, this behavior was never fixed in any SunOS release up to SunOS 4.1.2,
and can sometimes cause wierd serial port problems, especially with modems
and software flow control.

mike
From: aj681@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Carlin Wiegner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Questions about Sun 3 as server?
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:11:52 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


First of all what do the numbers after the Sun 3 (i.e. Sun3/60,
or Sun 3/280, etc. mean?) Also if I want to run a UNIX BBS over
the internet would a Sun 3 be a good machine to do it off of?
How much are Sun 3s going for now? (I don't need one with a
monitor per say but would be nice....) Please email replies...
Thanks.
CW
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: philf@xymox.palo-alto.ca.us (Phil Fernandez)
Subject: HELP!  Hard disk recovery after PHYSICAL failure
Organization: Jade and Jett Incorporated
Distribution: us
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:08:29 GMT

HELP!  Our Sun/Seagate 424mb disk from a Sparcstation 2 failed today.
The failure mode indicates physical failure -- the disk spins up for a
second, then clicks and spins back down, or it doesn't spin up at all.
We've swapped it into several machines with the same result, so it's
definitely the disk itself.

Can anyone point me to a hard disk recovery service that has some
chance of repairing the disk -- electronics of physical as necessary
(and if possible) -- and hopefully get me the data back on tape?

A location in the SF Bay Area would be best, but I'm posting this more
widely to drag the net broadly.

Thanks...e-mail is best.

pmf
From: adh@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (andrew.d.hay)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Sun's SCSI Target Addresses
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:11:22 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <5gdycfa@rpi.edu> kyriazis@mistral.rdrc.rpi.edu (George Kyriazis) writes:
"They are used.  If I am not mistaken, your average SCSI <--> ESDI, or
"SCSI <--> MFM converters can have 2 drives attached.  One of them is
"LUN 0, and the other one is LUN 1; both with the same SCSI ID.

you *should* be able to attach *4* drives to a converter -- it's in
the esdi & mfm specs (max 4 drives/controller).  at&t allows it with
their (emulex-made) shoeboxes, but sun's implementation may be
crippled... ;^>

on second thought, why not 2 esdi controllers/converter & all 8 LUNs?
for those really *big* disk farms. >^;

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From: devil@HellNet.org (Gil Tene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Hyundai (sp?) SS-10 compatibles?
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:52:11 GMT
Organization: Diablery, cloud seven, Hell. (also 10A Inc.)

Has anyone heard/seen/touched/used a Hyundai Sparc-10 compatible?

What I hear about it sounds great. It's supposed to be fully
SS-10 compatible. Same chips, same board, same everything.
On the other hand there are these rumors that Sun has bought
all Viking processors to be produced this year, which would
greatly influence delivery times on clones/compatibles.

Anyone like to comment from personal knowledge/experience
on the product, delivery times, Viking availability, etc.?
(I will summerize).

AdvThanks,

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From: was@gdwb.oz.au (Warren Stokes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Twisted Pair Ethernet
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:06:30 GMT

lupe@ukw.uucp (Lupe Christoph) writes:

>kens@netcom.com (Ken Schneider) writes:

>>I'm trying to set up a network with two Sparc 2's using 
>>twisted pair. We've got w 10baseT transceivers from Marvell Technology
>>that hook right on to the AUI connectors on the Sparcs. I've configured the 
>>systems' software correctly (I think), but when I ping - the transmit light 
>>flashes, but the other node doesn't receive any packets. I think the problem 
>>may be the twisted pair cable that we put together. Does anyone know the 
>>correct wiring for a twisted pair cable (xmit, receive wires ??).

>You have not mentioned a hub. Is it possible taht you tried to
>connect the two transceivers directly? This will not work.
>A twisted pair transceiver contains only part of the logic.
>The rest resides in the hub.

Not true. Two TP transceivers can talk directly to each other on a single
piece of 10BaseT cable.  All you have to do is make sure that the TX on one
goes into the RX on the other.  A minor alteration to the cable only.


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Phone: +61 52 262598		61-67 Ryrie St Geelong
Fax:   +61 52 218236		Victoria 3220 Australia
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: jrt@omega.kcr.uky.edu (J. Randall Thompson)
Subject: Improving 490 performance
Organization: Kentucky Cancer Registry, Univ. of Ky
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:32:27 GMT

I apologize if this is a FAQ or not appropriate for this group...

We have a SUN 490 with 32MB memory, 2-1GB IPI drives and are
essentially running one (yes 1) database application. We need to
improve the performance of our system on queries (we are using
db_Vista data manager) and may have some money coming down the road.
I would like input on the following upgrade issues, please:

1. Is it worth upgrading to a 690 or should we put the money into
	more memory/faster IPI drives in our 490?

2. I fwe upgrade to the 690, will our application (which compiles
	and runs under SUN OS 4.1.1 w/ SUN C compiler) still run on
	the 690?

3. If there is an OS upgrade for the 690 (I suspect there would have
	to b eto use MP) will our application still run and/or will
	it take advantage of the MP technology without new software
	or program modifications?

4. What would an s-bus NFS accelorator do for us?

5. What would a VMEBus Network Co-processor do for us?


I realize these are broad questions and am looking more for direction
than specific questions. I would appreciate any information you
people could provide.


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[]  University of Kentucky, Lexington, Kentucky                              []
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: dlt@pt.com (Don Turrell)
Subject: Re: Any experince with PTI PT-SBS540 ???
Organization: Performance Technologies, Incorporated
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:04:48 GMT

In article <fh5mxkq@lynx.unm.edu> reg@aquarius.unm.edu (Reg Clemens) writes:
>
>Does anyone have any experience with the PTI PT-SBS540 SBUS card
>that they would share either to this list or privately via e-mail?
>
>I currently need additional serial ports, and the 3 on this board
>would be enough. (I WOULD like to see an interface speed greater
>than 38400,- but would settle for that if necessary).  
>
>AND, since all of my SCSI addresses are currently in use, the
>addition of a 2nd SCSI port would either 
>	(a) keep me out of trouble in the future
>    or  (b) allow me to split the load between the two now.
>
>STILL, I have tried twice to get a spec sheet on this item
>from PTI (once by e-mail, once by phone).  Both time I was
>promised that something would be in the mail the next day.
>Its 6 weeks later and I have yet to see anything...  Not a promising
>start.

Reg

Ceratinly not a promising start........a simple data bulletin should
not be a difficult thing to get your hands on.   I'm sorry
we have been so difficult to deal with here. A set of data sheets
will be sent via "overnight" to you.

Hope this solves the problem with lack of info from us.

On a general note...the PT-SBS540 is no longer available. The product
has been upgraded to the PT-SBS540A which includes a full SCSI-2
narrow/fast (10 Mbytes/sec) SCSI port.

Don Turrell
Performance Technologies, Inc.
315 Science Pkwy, Rochester, New York 14620 USA
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From: unruh@physics.ubc.ca (William Unruh)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Need SPARCprinter help
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:56:59 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada

was@gdwb.oz.au (Warren Stokes) writes:

>eburns@ADS.COM (Edward Burns) writes:

>>Our SPARCprinter is giving us an "out of toner" error
>>but even a brand new cartridge doesn't clear it.  Our
>>manual has been misplaced so I was hoping someone could
>>tell me if there is anything in it to help.  Thanks
>>in advance.

>After replacing the toner you need to reset the error message by pressing a
>little white reset button just near where the power cord goes into the
>SPARCprinter.


>-- 
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>Phone: +61 52 262598		61-67 Ryrie St Geelong
>Fax:   +61 52 218236		Victoria 3220 Australia

If that does not work get back to Sun-- you may have a defective
printer
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From: raoul@eplunix.UUCP (Nico Garcia)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.wanted
Subject: CD-ROM sampling
Keywords: CD-ROM, audio, random samples
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:37:12 GMT
Organization: Eaton-Peabody Lab, Boston, MA

Recent notes about sampling audio from CD-ROM's have caught my eye.  My lab
does audio testing, and it would be very useful to computer control a CD
with the word and syllable sequences on it, to automate the gain settings
and randomize the sequences. I know that there are structures for
manipulating audio in the cdromio manpage, but does anyone have some
freeware or shareware for playing short sounds from the CD drive? 

I suspect we'd have to do our own indexing of the specific CD, but it would
beat the heck out of the cassette tapes we're using for this now.
-- 
			Nico Garcia
			CIRL/MEEI
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From: hbryant@braves.East.Sun.COM (Henry Bryant-Sun-Atlanta GA-Atlanta District FE)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: SPARCPRINTER ERROR J5
Keywords: SPARCPrinter ERROR j5
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:15:08 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc., Vienna, VA.
NNTP-Posting-Host: braves-gw.east.sun.com

Recently there have been articles here about the sparc printer

with the J5 error flashing....

there is a Sun FCO(field change order) out # A0018

I don't have it here but is goes as follows

Review FCO A0018 and see if it applies.  If the SPARCprinter serial
number is between 9124806901 and 9124808280, and is p/n 365-1089-01
(365-1089-02 not affected) then replace the printer.

In the US I had customer letters go out to every address where SPARCprinters
were shipped to according to sales order information.


Letters were sent out to all customers who purchased sparc printers telling
of this problem...

Call 1800-872-4786 for all the details....

this problem usually shows up after replacing a toner cartridge
the fix is very simple..the alternative is that sun will replace the
printer at NO CHARGE...


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From: irl@glas.apc.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Date: 18 Aug 92 01:58 MDT
Subject: Re: Audio CD on sun CD-ROM
Nf-ID: #R:1992Aug17.170822.17958@t4d.carri:1367729426:glas:58100051:000:398
Nf-From: glas.UUCP!irl    Aug 18 01:58:00 1992


Yes, you can. LYou may use programs from /usr/demo/CDROM which are
cdplayer (for SunView) and x_cdplayer( (for OpenWindows). They are very nice
to use (especially the second).

Good Luck.

Volodya. Moscow Data Center.
e-mail: irl@glas.apc.org

PS.: Because data artransmittie data are transmitted thru the internal paths of the CD_-ROM
drive, music is always fine now matter how the CPU is loaded.
From: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Subject: Re: Sun's SCSI Target Addresses
Reply-To: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 18:04:18 GMT

In article <4914@calmasd.Prime.COM> gdh@calmasd.Prime.COM (Gerald Hall) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.151826.10568@emr1.emr.ca> craven@cg.emr.ca writes:
>>I would also like to know the mystery behind the addressing scheme of Sun's
>>SCSI disks.
>
>Making target 3 sd0 actually makes some sense to me in terms of
>internal and external drives on Sun workstations.  Many of our external
>drives are not easily jumpered to change the drive target number
>and these are all set (with no jumpers) target 0.  

Yeah, but if this was the logic behind it, they ought to have just shifted
everything by one after that, instead of doing a straight swap of 0 and 3.
Under the current scheme, if you connect your new disk at target 0, the
default kernel configures it as sd3. So then you have sd0 and sd3 and nothing
in between. Yuck!

Only the oldest drives are difficult to change, and even then you usually
only have to take the cover off and move a couple of jumpers. Lately I have
started requiring external SCSI ID select on all our desktop drives.
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: SLOW IPC!
Organization: Inland Sea
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 00:46:49 GMT

bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser) writes:

>We just set up an IPC in an office that used to have a 3/60.  The 3/60
>had 16mb of memory and was used for OW 2.0 and Sunview.  The IPC actually
>feels much slower than the 3/60!!!!  The IPC only has 8mb of memory and
>is a color display instead of mono like the 3/60.  The IPC is used for
>sunview and OW 3.0, and runs sunos 4.1.2 instead of 4.1.1_U1.

Moving simultaneously from mono to color, sunview to OW, 16MB to 8MB,
and mc68030 (small core images) to sparc (gigantic core images), the
IPC *is* slower than the 3/60.  More memory will help a lot (I consider
24MB the abosolute minimum for OW) but the biggest win will be to dump
OW.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: gt1111a@prism.gatech.EDU (Vincent Fox)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Prestoserv?
Date: 16 Aug 92 07:01:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In <1992Aug14.042821.18360@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au> rodney@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Rodney Campbell) writes:
>adm@einstein.canterbury.ac.nz (Andrew McGregor) writes:
]]We saw this gadget mentioned in sun's pricelist.
]]some questions:
]]I gather it speeds up performance for server type activities;
]]by how much? Exactly which activities?

>It basically speeds up NFS writes by caching incoming writes over NFS and
>then writing them out to disk when there is time. You put the card and
>software on the server and the NFS clients don't know the difference.
>It does make a difference (only to NFS writes) but how much I don't know -
>I have heard figures such as 600% quoted.

For moderately sized sequential writes it's the greatest thing
since sliced bread. Look at nfsstat -s and see if your write percentage
rate is much above 10% to see if this is going to help much.
If you've got I/O-bound applications with moderate to large sequential
writes, you might want it. I'ts pretty expensive, at around $2K. 
In our CAD environment, writing model files of 512K to 2M size is
pretty common, making this baord very desirable.

]]does user activity on the system slow down serving as much
]]as when unaccelerated?
]](i.e. due to budget restrictions, we have to let our users
]]log in to the server, which at present is a bad idea...)

>The load on the server is fairly minimal as its the card which does most
>of the work.

I have a Sparc II with PrestoServe, and running the eNFS software.
I have noticed that it is now possible for even a single poky machine to push
the load on the server up to 2! Even our dinky Sparc I's and the HP 9000/835
after upping the number of biods to 6 did this. Obviously the client is
getting quick service since the enfsd's on the host aren't sitting blocked
most of the time. Everything zips into memory, and thus on the server
you actually see enfsd's taking up real CPU time (like 10% each) if you
watch top. An HP 9000/750 with 6 biod's can push the server up to 4 in
my experience.

Obviously this may have an impact on users logged into the server :-)

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From: swlodin@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Steve Lodin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: 386i Imprimis 155 MB Drive in PC
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:52:13 GMT
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.
Originator: swlodin@kocrsw15


I'm trying to get an old Imprimis 155 MB SCSI drive working with an
ST-02 controller with no luck.  I've been told I need a ROM upgrade
for the controller to rev 3.03.  I also got sketchy information on
whether a terminator in needed and what it looks/acts like.  Can
anyone offer any advice or experience?

Thanks alot!!


Steve
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