From: jad@Turing.ORG (John DiNardo)
Subject: Part 20, The Casolaro Murder --> The Feds' Theft of Inslaw Software
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy 
Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Keywords: CIA = Murder Inc.,  CIA desecrates the People's Constitution
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:07:38 GMT

        I made the following transcript from a tape recording 
        of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station
               WBAI-FM (99.5)
               505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
               New York, NY 10018       (212) 279-0707

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                        (continuation)
PAUL DeRIENZO:
I see, from my investigations over the years .... I understand 
the type of organization that Wackenhut is. I've covered them 
in writing before and read stuff about them, and I know their
connections to the C.I.A. It's interesting, reading your article
here, about some of the capabilities of PROMIS, the software that
was stolen from Inslaw, and that there's an updated version in 
the works that would allow the deduction of future or potential
actions of a person being traced.

HARRY MARTIN:
It's really frightening to think what the computer age is going
to do to individuality.

PAUL DeRIENZO:
Can you tell us a little bit about what this software does? 
It's worth a lot of money, on one hand. But, on the other hand, 
it seems that this software has a tremendous amount of power.

HARRY MARTIN:
It has power because, again, it was designed by Bill to trace 
and track everything. Consider the number of court cases and the
number of witnesses, and the number of people in the witness
protection program, and the number of criminals that exist in the
United States. This was to be a nationwide system that could track
all that. I mean, that's tremendous information. It's tremendous
power. And it's quite an innovation. And, of course, it has been
used by the Israelis and some of the others for tracking military.

Now, we ran into a strange case ourselves. Back in the early `80s
I was the publisher of several defense publications. And the 
Israelis came to us with a program to market to the different
defense companies in the United States. It dealt with the complete
military structure, and who's who and what's what. I mean, it even
got down almost to the number of shoelaces, how many handguns --
everything. And the Israelis said that they couldn't market it.
Later on, what we found out was the reason that they couldn't
technically market it -- besides that it was Mossad information --
but it also dealt, probably, with the Inslaw software which they
should not have had. You know, they didn't have the license to it.
I found those military reports and I notified Bill Hamilton. 
I found them in a box in storage. I had forgotten all about them,
and the letters that went with them. The fact is, if you see 
those reports, it tells you EVERY SINGLE ITEM of any military
organization. I'm talking about: every vehicle, every handgun,
every rifle. It gets into numbers and details. And that's what
this software has this tremendous power to do. 

ANDREW PHILLIPS:
Give us a sense of how valuable this is. What sort of dollar 
value do you put on this kind of software?

HARRY MARTIN:
Inslaw had a ten million dollar contract just to do the Justice
Department. Mind you now, we're talking about intelligence 
agencies throughout the United States and many countries, and 
we're talking about even the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. So, 
if it's ten million dollars just for the U.S. Justice Department,
what is it to military intelligence and to all these other
organizations around the world? It's got to be mind-boggling. But
remember -- it wasn't because of the particular dollar value of
Inslaw as much as the "Eagle" project to replace all computers in
the whole Justice System. But it required the Inslaw software 
program in it. That's where the value was -- in setting up all
that hardware. And they needed to get the Inslaw in order to get
the contract fulfilled. 

PAUL DeRIENZO:
It's my understanding that there are a number of companies -- that
were built up along the lines of the Wackenhut security group --
that, in fact, owe their beginnings to intelligence personnel who
were purged in the `70s after the revelations of the involvement
in Chile and with the involvement in the assassination attempts in
Cuba, and the Bay of Pigs, etc. etc.; and that the Brooks Intelligence
Committee led to a certain amount of light being shined on these 
activities, and a number of these people were retired early, and
they went into the private security field. 

Also, these people, who went into the private security field, made
an alliance with a number of wealthy right-wing individuals who
collected private personal files, tracking liberals and potential
trouble-makers to the numbers of thousands and tens of thousands
of names. As a matter of fact, I did a story a few years ago on a
case where the Los Angeles Police Department was told that they 
had to get rid of these files that they had been keeping from the
60s and 70s on radicals or whatever (liberals, really) judges, etc.
They lied and said they had destroyed this material, and then
it was discovered in one of their officers' storage facility.
And it was then discovered soon afterward that the contents of the 
files had been sent to an agency of the John Birch Society that
specifically followed and created its own database on individuals.

So, you can believe that there are out there private organizations,
that are well funded, that keep track of people whom they feel that
the C.I.A. and the F.B.I. have been scared away from following.

HARRY MARTIN:
Yes. For instance, Riconosciuto was shown, by a Congressional      
committee, a list from Wackenhut which is a complete (I don't know
if you want to call it a hit list) dossier on various newspaper
reporters throughout the country; for instance, on a newspaper
reporter in Seattle who was successful in blocking two nuclear
power plants from being built. And this is a complete dossier on
all these reporters, as well. So they were tracking those things.
And maybe this is where Danny and some of those names got on 
that list. I have not gotten a copy of the list yet. It is in
Congressman Miller's [of California?] office from what I understand.

We're trying to get the list because I think that would be a 
pretty shocking revelation for the national media to carry. As you
know, sometimes the national media will not carry anything until
someone like Danny Casolaro, a reporter, goes down. Then they'll
write a story about it. But the main issue is lost. They're more
concerned with the death of a reporter.

PAUL DeRIENZO:
How did this list become publicized?  How did it get into the 
Congressman's hands?

HARRY MARTIN:
Well, apparently it was part of an investigation. I'm not sure if
it's from the Brooks Committee. But apparently, it's a list that 
was compiled on the behavior of different journalists.        
Basically, it has [identifies] people who have not gone along
with the system of what they [the trackers] believe the system
should be.

PAUL DeRIENZO:
But it seems that, on the bottom of it, after all the complexity
is stripped away, it's the same old story of following potential
trouble-makers and liberals, investigators, etc., ad nauseum.

ANDREW PHILLIPS:
The question I want to ask is: Do you think the American People
are ready to hear this? Because if we do hear this -- then what
the HELL are we going to do about it?
                       (to be continued)
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     This is one of countless stories unveiling the deeply corrupted     
     and subverted state of our theoretically democratic Government.  
     This story makes disgustingly obvious the fact that patriotism
     is not the waving of flags, the tying of yellow ribbons and the 
     mindless support of the Government, just because it happens to be ours.
     You don't support cancer just because you happen to have it.
     Patriotism is telling the truth to the people of our country
     in order that they may unite to conquer the anti-democratic
     cancer that is gradually destroying ours and our children's
     freedom. So please post the installments of this ongoing series
     to other bulletin boards, and post hardcopies in public places,
     both on and off campus.  That would be a truly patriotic deed.

         John DiNardo

If we seriously listen to this "God within us" ["conscience",
if you will], we usually find ourselves being urged to take the
more difficult path, the path of more effort rather than less.
.... Each and every one of us, more or less frequently, will hold
back from this work. .... Like every one of our ancestors before
us, we are all lazy. So original sin does exist; it is our laziness.

                                        M. Scott Peck
                                   THE ROAD LESS TRAVELED


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