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From: sgraym02@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Re: Getting Angry in Australia
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:08:29 GMT

In article <1b69fpINNj7g@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano) writes:
> 
>    Mr. Ohayon:  interesting that you mention some unusual
>              Australian behavior perhaps.
>              It appears you are from Japanese culture!
>              If so, pardon me for asking, why is it
>              that Japanese gentleman commit harry carry
>              or suicide when he lose a little money
>              in business or stock market?
> 
> -- 
> Capt. Kirk: let's head for that planet, third from the sun, it
>             looks promising.... |-)

	I could be wrong here Mr Romano, but I believe that Japanese
	businessmen ( or businessmen of any other nationality for that
	matter) rarely commit suicide when they lose a little money.

	(Australian businessmen for instance simply move to Spain)

	 
********************************
Mark A. Gray
sgraym02@cc.curtin.edu.au
grayma@cipal.cs.curtin.edu.au
********************************
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: st1s0@rosie.uh.edu (Hans, Samir)
Subject: Australian sense of humour
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:21:00 GMT

Good day,

I just happened to browse through this newsgroup and I must admit that 
Australians sure do have a good sense of humour. It was fun reading the witty
answers to not so intelligent questions! Think shall subscribe to this news-
group.

Regards,
Samir Hans
University of Houston
USA.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: dmarble@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Duane F Marble)
Subject: Re: Ausbuy!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:54:25 GMT

Nabisco comes from Niagara Falls, New York!
-- 
Duane F. Marble			       E-mail: dmarble@magnus.acs.osu.edu
Department of Geography                Telephone: (614) 292-2250
The Ohio State University
Columbus, Ohio 43210                   Fax: (614) 292-6213
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: CHAP000 <CHAP@UNB.CA>
Subject: Melbourne University, Monash or Victoria Minist. of Education
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:15:20 GMT

Good Morning;

I am trying to establish a link (Bulliten Board) via E-mail between
a 5th grade/year class at Koonung Heights in Austalia and Forest
Hill Elementary in New Brunswick, Canada.  The teacher at the shcool
in Melbourne needs technical assistance on how to dial into a hook
up and send E-mail.  If someone there could help establish that link
I will establish a link here for my Australian friend to complete
the connection and get the kids going electronically.  The advice to
my friend in Melbourne has been questionable.  There is need only
for a gentle nudge and we can lead some students into a first step
to passing by me.

Please assist if you can.  We may be able to start a series of
healthy exchanges.

Thank you,

Victor
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: s92428ym@sfc.keio.ac.jp (Yuichi Matsumoto)
Subject: Aborigine
Organization: Keio University Shonan Fujisawa Campus.
Distribution: soc
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 06:40:17 GMT

 I am a Japanese univercity student.I am very interested in the Aboriginal
culture,especially in the corroboree. If anyone know any good  books about 
Aborigines ,please let me know.And What part of Australia should I visit 
to see the taraditional Aborigines? Thank you very much.
                                            
                                        Yuichi Matsumoto
                                       s92428ym@sfc.keio.ac.jp
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: jain@grok106.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (jain)
Subject: Need help for australian visa
Originator: jain@grok106.ColumbiaSC.NCR.com
Organization: NCR Corp
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 12:39:56 GMT

Hi,
Can someone tell me how do I go about getting the visa to Australia. 
If someone can provide me the phone number and the postal address from 
where I can get the form I shall be really grateful to him/her.
Thanks in advance.
- Arun
From:  (Thomas Mc Neill)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Vegemite and the Bank
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:08:34 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.australian
Organization: Loughborough Uni. Technology

In article <1992Oct7.110412.1740@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, afc@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
wrote:
>
>>  What is Vegemite?  Can a non-citizen of
> 
> Answers: Disgusting. 
>          ^^^^^^^^^^

De gustibus non est disputandis Mate!


Tom Mc Neill
Loughborough University
Leics.,UK, LE11 3TU
Email: T.Mcneill@lut.ac.uk
From: bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Ausbuy!
Date: 17 Oct 1992 01:09:04 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


As far as economics in Australia, I have heard that there is
no serious problem since the opium poppy is a tremendous
income producer in Australia, supplying the drug companies
with codeine, morphine, etc.
Too bad we can't be that responsible here in U.S.
Does seem ironic to grow poppies but mary jane is illegal, etc.
Reminds me of this issue concerning farm alcohol production.
Only about 8 acres of corn or similar crop is needed to
produce enough fuel alcohol to power an average car for a
whole year.
Problem is, will the gas station become a bar?
And to wax =really=  philosophical, does this mean gov is
always necessary since people cannot control their own
appetites?
sorry, not sure how much this has to do with Ausbuy.

-- 
Capt. Kirk: let's head for that planet, third from the sun, it
            looks promising.... |-)
From: brendan@cs.uq.oz.au (Brendan Mahony)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Getting Angry in Australia
Keywords: Dick, Balls, Ears
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:15:23 GMT
Reply-To: brendan@cs.uq.oz.au


To add a serious note, the story does sound apocraphal. Cutting off
one's penis with a kitchen knife is likely to prove fatal without very
immediate medical attention. Given the number of arteries present, it
could be compared with cutting your throat.

--
When soldiers form lines or hollow squares, you call it reason.
When wild geese in flight take the form of a letter V, you say instinct.
When the homogeneous atoms of a mineral arrange themselves into shapes
mathematically perfect you have nothing to say. You have not even invented a name to conceal your heroic unreason."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: sgcclmj@citec.oz.au (Liz Jones)
Subject: Re: Australian Newspapers
Organization: CITEC
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 06:52:03 GMT

harrity@sumax.seattleu.edu (Zak) writes:
: 
: This provides the perfect opportunity for me to ask a question I've been
: wondering about for a little while now...
: 
: Why are Aussie newspapers so damn expensive here?  Geeze, I mean, European
: dailies are extremely more affordable (if any foreign rags can be said to be
: so to begin with), but why the ungodly expense for things from Australia?
   
   I guess the main hassle is with the distance to travel in the time allowed.
   Europe is a *leetle* closer to the USA than either of them is to Oz, 
   is it not?!

: Are North American or European publications really pricey in Oz?  
:
    Yes, and worse again in NZ.  European magazines take about 2.5-3 months
   to come out and are quite expensive compared with their R.R.P in their
   originating country;  
  and I hear (can anyone fill me in?) that books published in America have to 
go through some kind of process that doesn't allow them into Australia until
  a certain amount of time is up or something.  Don't know about papers but
   books from the US cost up to $10 above their US prices (possibly more).


Liz
From: rowlands@ra.csc.ti.com (Jon Rowlands)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Ausbuy!
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:08:05 GMT
Reply-To: rowlands@csc.ti.com (Jon Rowlands)
Organization: Texas Instruments, SPDC, DSP Technology Branch, Dallas

And it doesn't stop there - Campbell's (soup etc.) is trying
to buy Arnott's, so I've heard. Sacrilege! Next thing you know,
Proctor and Gamble will get Nabisco, and Tim Tams will come
in convenient squeeze tubes and roll-ons. Gak.

-- 
Jon Rowlands			email: rowlands@csc.ti.com
Texas Instruments		phone: +1 214 995-3436
DSP Technology Branch, SPDC	  fax: +1 214 995-0304
Dallas, Texas, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: mb009b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Wombat's Revenge)
Subject: Vegemite and the bank
Summary: you can open an account at commonwealth w/o a problem
Keywords: vegemite
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 22:49:21 GMT

Just to give you a bit of information, there shouldn't be a great deal of
trouble opening a bank account in the wonderful land of OZ.  I spent my
junior year of high school in the Melbourne area, and had two savings
accounts without any problems.  These were at Commonwealth Bank, but I 
knew other forieners who had them at different banks.  Also look into 
getting an atm card as they are accepted at many different places, from
stores, to the post office.  Good luck, just bring your pasport and visa
with you.

I will also give you a bit of information regarding that wonderful Aussie
food called Vegemite.  By all means do not eat it by dipping your finger
or spoon into the jar.  Try a VERY SMALL amount on toast with LOTS of
butter.  Just enough to turn the butter brownish.  Vegemite by the way
is a yeast extract spread, and requires proper care in attempting to eat\\\\

Have fun, and good luck.  Also check out Aussie Rules Football, and remember
the Demons rule.

				Wombat's Revenge
				a.k.a. Maura Brown
				mb009b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu

* When the Vogon poets get you down, think 42, and DON'T PANIC*


Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: lalford@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu (LYNN ALFORD)
Subject: Re: Looking for things to do in Townsville
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: lalford@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University
Distribution:  world
Date:  6 OCT 92 21:50:26    

In article <1992Oct6.011103.14796@appleoz.apple.oz.au>, bill@appleoz.apple.oz.au (William Logan Lee) writes...
>In article <1992Sep30.215922.6192@ncar.ucar.edu> cook@barleywine.atd.ucar.edu (Forrest Cook) writes:
>>I will be visiting Townsville from October 11 through November 11...

>Visit the reef, visit Magnetic Island.  Apart from these two activities you
>might as well take a good book to read. Oh, there was a casino there if you


Another couple of suggestions.  There are a few organised tour groups that 
will take you to see a collection of places (like Charters Towers and 
Ravenswood).  ANd take a trip up to Paluma to see the rainforest.  While 
there, be sure to have Devonshire tea at the Ivy Cottage.  Trust me, this 
is necessary.

And do beware the Friendless.  He bounces.

Lynn Alford (missing tropical weather and home)
From: reno@darlo.Eng.Sun.COM (Reno Marioni)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Getting Angry in Australia
Keywords: Dick, Balls, Ears
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:14:24 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: darlo

In article <15@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP> ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon) writes:
>Hi out there.
>
>I just read that a guy in Perth was so angry at his wife that he decided
>to mutilate ... himself. He therefore cut off his dick, removed his 
>testicles and still that wasn't enough so he cut off his ears too, all with a 
>kitchen knife. He then went to the hospital on his own but refused to have the
>"pieces" sowed backed on. He put the body parts in his freezer before
>making it to the Hospital.
>
>This was serious stuff, I read it on my Reuters screen. I work with quite
>a few Aussies but they are not as rash (well at least our man may not get any
>more rashes down there) as our man.
>
>Is this type of behaviour common in Australia ?
>
I'm sure that this sort of bahaviour happens everyday.  get serious.
I could say something else but what's the point.

--Reno

>-- 
>----8<--------------------------------------------------------------->8------
>Tsiel:ohayon@jcpl.co.jp	   | If you do not recieve this E-mail, please let me
>Employer may not have same | know as soon as possible, if possible.
>opinions, if any !         | Two percent of zero is almost nothing.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: spreddan@glenn.uwaterloo.ca (Sean Reddan)
Subject: Medicare in NZ?
Organization: Earth Observations Lab
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:05:20 GMT

What is the health insurance status of Aussies in New Zealand?  Does Medicare
apply in NZ?  If someone can help, would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,

Seano
 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: torda@igc.ethz.ch (Andrew Torda)
Subject: Re: Getting Angry in Australia
Organization: Computational Chemistry, ETH, Zuerich
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:40:22 GMT

In article <15@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP> ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon) writes:
>I just read that a guy in Perth was so angry at his wife that he decided
>to mutilate ... himself. He therefore cut off his dick, removed his 
>testicles and still that wasn't enough so he cut off his ears too, all with a 
>kitchen knife. He then went to the hospital on his own but refused to have the
>"pieces" sowed backed on. He put the body parts in his freezer before
>making it to the Hospital.
[..]
>Is this type of behaviour common in Australia ?

Sure is.
One of the things I miss in Europe is the fun we used to have
looking in the freezers at friends places.
-- 

Andrew Torda, Computational Chemistry, ETH, Zurich, torda@igc.ethz.ch
From: mb009b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Wombat's Revenge)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Rotary youth exchangees
Summary: I'm looking for rotary exchange students
Keywords: rotary
Date: 10 Oct 92 17:36:11 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

G'day everyone.  My name is Maura, and I'm looking for past Rotary exchange
students who went to that great land called OZ!  In particular district
9810.  My writing skills are really poor, so I decided to see if there may 
be any chance that people I lost touch with are following this newsgroup.
I was in Melbourne, Ringwood in particular, during the year 90-91. So if
by some small chance you happen to remember me, or are interested in
learning more about life here in the US, ect... E mail me, or Post a
response. 
					Thanks :)
					Wombat's Revenge
					a.k.a. Maura Brown
					mb009b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
*******************************************************************************
It takes courage to push youself to places that you have never been
before...
To test you limits...
To break through barriers.
To be a female, AFROTC, EE Major, Metal Head!!!
*******************************************************************************


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Xref: sparky soc.culture.australian:4532 rec.sport.baseball:29685
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian,rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Major League Baseball in Australia.
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:09:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.Bw2I8E.GGH
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


What is the popularity of baseball in Australia. Do Australian
sports TV network show Major League Baseball games(USA)
regularly.

In other words, if a baseball fan who is relocating to Aus.
for a temporarily, can catch all the action of North American
Major League Baseball on a regular basis.

Thanx
S.H
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: CHAP000 <CHAP@UNB.CA>
Subject: Help required to establish penpal exchange
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 11:41:18 GMT

Good Morning

I have a friend in Melbourne and one in Canada who wish to set up a
sort of E-mail exchange between their grade 5 classes.  Sounds
simple.  Yet.....

My friend in Melbourne needs help on how to access E-mail and
bulliten boards and resoundingly interesting news groups like
this... (well I read it!)

I am looking for a knowledgable volunteer to do a 'little' leg work
and get the Melbourne leg moving.  The advice that my friend has
been offered so far is to get a phone number.

I resent paying phone rates to accomplish a simple task.

Please respond to Victor at this E-mail address as he writes
frantically from the frozen north we call Canada.

I cheered for Australia in the Olympic Football.

The goal is to connect two grade five classes and then the two
teachers involved will connect other teachers.

Thank you for your consideration.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: wallace@titan.trl.OZ.AU (Glenn Wallace)
Subject: Re: Vegemitet and tthe Bank
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:50:42 GMT

harsant@headplant.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant) writes:

>In article <1992Oct7.110412.1740@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> afc@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>>In article <1au3tvINNp3a@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, as215@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alexander Aingworth) writes:
>>> 	Well, I have two questions, which several individuals here ought
>>> to be capable of answering.  What is Vegemite?  Can a non-citizen of
>>Answers: Disgusting. 
>The food of the Gods!  Lot's of Vitamin B.  It's a dark brown spread
>made from yeast extract, you put it on buttered toast or Salada
>biscuits.  It gives you a suntan, an Australian accent, and raises
>your intelligence.  Makes you modest, too.

Dave, you forgot to say that it makes you grow to be 6'4" in height!

While I was in the states on holiday, I couldn't believe how much I
missed it - saw some in a store for some heuuge premium, but luckily some
expatriot Aussies in San Francisco had some so I survived, just...

Glenn



Net: g.wallace@trl.oz.au | Help me escape this country! You can't buy Jolt
RealTime: Glenn Wallace  | here, and they don't have Tower records, or
Work: Telecom Australia  | Fry's or anything! Argh.... Oh to be at WDW!
      Drift Project      | I'm on the next plane outta here!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: mcrosby@nyx.cs.du.edu (Matthew Crosby)
Subject: Re: Ausbuy!
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 00:28:51 GMT

In article <Bw6GHq.D98@acsu.buffalo.edu> dunleavy@acsu.buffalo.edu (Houston Dunleavy) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.160805.24024@csc.ti.com> rowlands@csc.ti.com (Jon Rowlands) writes:
>>And it doesn't stop there - Campbell's (soup etc.) is trying
>>to buy Arnott's, so I've heard. Sacrilege! Next thing you know,
>>Proctor and Gamble will get Nabisco, and Tim Tams will come
>>in convenient squeeze tubes and roll-ons. Gak.
>>
>	Actually, I have a feeling that Nabisco is actually a US company. They
>ceratinly make enough products here (like Oreos for example).
>
Most certainly.  It stands for National Biscuit Company! (and you thought the
Merkins didn't have bikkies!)   An American IBM (irresponsibly behaved
multinational)

For that matter, many of the companies on the list where already American.
Vegemite, for instance, is made by Kraft  (or was last time I looked), and Kraft
has always been Merkin. 

--
-Matt
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the net!
mcrosby@nyx.cs.du.edu  -or-  crosby@kinglear.cs.colorado.edu
From: paulq@spider.co.uk (Paul Qualtrough)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Interest rates
Summary: look carefully at the figures....
Date: 15 Oct 92 10:03:31 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <1992Oct14.154758.28233@lut.ac.uk> C.V.Copas@lut.ac.uk (Conn Copas) writes:
>Can somebody mail me information on the probable direction of Australian
>mortgage rates over the next year? At the moment, I'm stuck with a fixed rate
>of 14.5%, which seemed like a good deal 18 months ago. I'm now being offered
>10.75% for 30 months (plus a renegotiation fee), and am wondering whether to
>accept now or hold off till later, like around election time. Comments?

In some UK paper last weekend there was an article warning that there are a
lot of such "deals" being offered at the moment, and in the end the "reneg-
otiation fee" ends up costing more than the savings on interest.  Ask your-
self this: are the banks really so kind and such fair players that they will
part with money they could have earned by offering a cheaper deal to you?
Hell no!  They want to make it look cheaper to you, but rest assured they're
gaining from somewhere, and you'd best be very sure that that somewhere is
not your pocket before you change anything.
-- 
paulq@spider.co.ukBeingPaulQualtroughOfSpiderSystemsSpiderParkStanwellStreet
EdinburghEH65NGUnitedKingdomTel+44(31)5549424ext4269(atleastforthetimebeing)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: harsant@headplant.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant)
Subject: Re: Vegemitet and tthe Bank
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne Australia
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:28:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.110412.1740@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> afc@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>In article <1au3tvINNp3a@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, as215@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alexander Aingworth) writes:
>> 
>> 	Well, I have two questions, which several individuals here ought
>> to be capable of answering.  What is Vegemite?  Can a non-citizen of

>Answers: Disgusting. 

The food of the Gods!  Lot's of Vitamin B.  It's a dark brown spread
made from yeast extract, you put it on buttered toast or Salada
biscuits.  It gives you a suntan, an Australian accent, and raises
your intelligence.  Makes you modest, too.

--
Dave Harsant,
Telecom Australia Research Laboratories  |  d.harsant@trl.oz.au
From: nsp00@ccc.amdahl.com (Nigel S Pope)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Vegemitet and tthe Bank
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:24:02 GMT
Reply-To: nsp00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Nigel S Pope)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1au3tvINNp3a@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> as215@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alexander Aingworth) writes:
>
>	Well, I have two questions, which several individuals here ought
>to be capable of answering.  What is Vegemite?  Can a non-citizen of
>Austtralia open up a bank account down under?  I know thtat in tthe
>Unitetd States is it not possible for a non-cittizen of this fine
>countrty to do so, butt it is possible in some parts of the world.
>
>
>
>-- 
>   any turkey
>    can smoke!


No non-US Citizen can open a bank account in the US?????
  
Wannna bet?
  
I've got several - mind you, none of them are full.
   

-- 
nsp00@juts.amdahl.com: 'All opinions mine - Not my employers...so there'

"This here's the Wattle, the symbol of our land.  You can stick it
 in a bottle, or you can hold it in your hand."  (MP - Circa 1970)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Subject: Re: Getting Angry in Australia
Keywords: Dick, Balls, Ears
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 02:11:59 GMT

In article <15@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP> ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon) writes:
|Hi out there.
|
|I just read that a guy in Perth was so angry at his wife that he decided
|to mutilate ... himself. He therefore cut off his dick, removed his 
|testicles and still that wasn't enough so he cut off his ears too, all with a 
|kitchen knife. He then went to the hospital on his own but refused to have the
|"pieces" sowed backed on. He put the body parts in his freezer before
|making it to the Hospital.
|
|This was serious stuff, I read it on my Reuters screen. I work with quite
|a few Aussies but they are not as rash (well at least our man may not get any
|more rashes down there) as our man.
|
|Is this type of behaviour common in Australia ?
|

It sure is. What's more fascinating is that
those dicks, balls and ears will grow back.




--
 _________Josef Widjaja____________  
|  s8923098@mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au  |
|  Macquarie University, Australia | 
|__________________________________| 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian,rec.sport.baseball