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From: WCHE@vm.poly.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Luke and Leia confusion
Date: 3 Jan 93 06:46:30 GMT
Organization: Polytechnic University

In article <29DEC92163204@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu>
dkemper@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu (David Kemper) writes:
 
>In article <C0193w.Iut@news.udel.edu>, darkstar@ravel.udel.edu (Jerry Garcia) writes...
>>Ben might have wanted
>>to train Luke because he wasn't as well hidden as Leia.  Also, Luke may
>>have expressed more of an affiliation to the Force at that time.  And we
>>are missing the argument that Kenobi may have been acting patriachical!
>
>Or perhaps it was simpler: Kenobi never MET Leia....
>
>--Gallandro
>
>    "Take it easy, kid.  It's only a movie."   --Ham Salad, "Hardware Wars"
 
 
   Or perhaps Ben is sexist.  Maybe he feel that women is too weak to
be a Jedi.   That's why he wants to teach Luke, and not Leia.  (This is
just a thought, so try not to take it so seriously.  :)
 
 
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From: lucas@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Derek Crowngaard, Knight of Solamnia)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Lucas the literary genius?
Date: 22 Dec 92 01:36:05 GMT
Organization: Conclave of High Sorcery, Wayreth Forest

>julie@alaska.et.byu.edu (Julie Gritton) said:
JG> Shakespeare has a timeless genius that speaks to every
JG> generation. I have yet to see SW do that. I know the kids in my
JG> classes (third grade and up) have no concept of Star Wars and
JG> would much rather see Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. So far, I
JG> don't see Star Wars spanning the generations.

	Well, it hasn't been around that long yet has it? Anyway,
I'm a 9th grader who first saw Star Wars when I was three years
old..... I loved it then, I still love it... Anyway.... how many
3rd graders do you know who are going to like Shakespeare? Let me
see a six year old quoting MacBeth. Besides, kids tend to like
certain sorts of toys, when I was in 3rd grade, I wouldn't play
with anything but Star Wars action figures (albeit, my SMALL Star
Wars action figures collection), A few years later, it was He-man,
G.I. Joe.... Barbie, whatever. My point is, 3rd graders (usually up
to about sixth?) aren't going to go out of their way to read
Shakespeare, or, to watch Star Wars, when they can turn on the T.V.
and watch Mutant Gerbils or whatever the current fad is... (anyone
remember Adolescent Radioactive Black-belt Hamsters? :) )

JG> And don't tell me they have to be older to appreciate SW. I think most
JG> of us here discovered it when we were their age.

	As above, when did you appreciate Shakespeare? Maybe you
were a well read child by the age of two, but Joe Six-pack America
isn't usually until at least (if at all) around seven or eight...
and we're not talking Heinlein or even Niven either. Heck...  I'm
rambling.... Oh well... you get my point....
From: shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Another error?
Date: 1 Jan 93 00:11:29 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1992Dec31.144916.2940@watson.ibm.com> roy@trigger.watson.ibm.com writes:
>In <1992Dec30.232949.24642@ifi.unizh.ch> knecht@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (knecht roland) writes:

>You are correct.  There are quite a few spfx goofs:
>
>  1)  People/scenes jumping when sabers are turned on/off.
>
>  2)  Matt lines around ships (especially tie fighters).
>
>  3)  Orange sand beneath Luke's speeder as it moves through the
>      streets of Mos Eisley.

>We can accept these for what they are, or go the purist root and
>explain each (in order) as follows:
>
>  1)  The sudden turn on/off of the saber sucks the Force out of
>      (or radiates the Force into, obviously) making the people nearby
>      jump.

I love that explaination, after all life DOES create the force, and it does
power the LS (as we all agree now, I trust :-). This is much like turning on
or off a high-amp electrical appliance - it makes all the lights in the house
dim (or brighten). :-) :-) :-)

>
>  2)  Already explained - the ghost of fallen Clone War fighters (I
>      like that one).

Shields sounds better. :-)

>  3)  Part of the propulsion unit of the speeder actually shoot downward
>      to help levitate the speeder.  This downward jet of energy
>      slightly heats the sand below, changing it's molecular lattice
>      and therefore its color.

Actually, When I first noticed this (and still), I considered that color
change as an intended effect (or a side-effect that was deliberately not
removed). It is not required to assume a change of the sand color, just
that when sand is viewed THROUGH the jet-exhaust, it is blurred "orangely"
(much like when viewing objects through Earth-jets exhaust).



Dan Shoham               shoham@ll.mit.edu
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From: boro@ph2.uni-koeln.de (Rene Borowski)
Subject: Re: ftp site
Organization: Institute of Theoretical Physics, University of Cologne, F. R.
	Germany
Distribution: world,local
Date: 21 Dec 92 09:51:04


Hi Glen

Try the ftp-server "wpi.wpi.edu" there you will find a lot of pictures, 
datas, texts and what else.

To log yourself in just type "anonymous" and use as password your e-mail adress.

May the force be with you - always.

Rene Borowski
II. Physikalisches Institut
der UNIVERSITAET zu KOELN
Zuelpicher Str. 77
5000 Koeln 41

GERMANY
From: lyon@egr.msu.edu (Scott Lyon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Leia and ben (Was Re: Favorite Star Wars Moments)
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:53:26 GMT
 <BzCt5A.F5o@newcastle.ac.uk>
Reply-To: lyon@egr.msu.edu (Scott Lyon)
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In article <BzCt5A.F5o@newcastle.ac.uk> Gavin.Dodds@newcastle.ac.uk (Gavin Dodds
) writes:
>
>  I just remembered something about this scene.
>
>  After this Luke says something to the effect of;
>
>    "I'm here with BEN Kenobi"
>                       ^^^
>
>  And this is what convinces Leia to go with him, but how did she know that Ben
>  was calling himself Ben?
>
>  She only refers to him as Obi-Wan in her message that R2 delivered.  How did
>  she know that Ben Kenobi was Obi-Wan Kenobi?
>

My guess would be that Leia heard the name Kenobi, and just assumed it must be
him(ie. perhaps "Ben" is just a nickname, a shortened form of Obi-Wan).

Besides, she probably wasn't thinking "Here is a stranger to rescue me, and
he's with a guy named Kenobi, but I'm not sure if it's Obi Wan... Maybe I
better wait here while I make sure..."   :)

-Scott Lyon
 "Never tell me the odds..."
From: knecht@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (knecht roland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Another error?
Date: 30 Dec 92 23:29:49 GMT
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

: As for Darth's lightsaber, this is further proof of a previous, long-lasting,
: unresolved thread.  Some stated that the non-glowing blade of Ben's saber
: near the end of one of the duel scene segments (when Ben is backing up,
: and parrying (sp?) and Darth is taunting him, just before cutting to a
: different scene) is an indication that Ben was weak in the Force, and it
: is the Force that powers the lightsaber (or helps to power it).

Star Wars Fans are so cute...!
There is a slight bug in the FX and they go searching an explanation.
Maybe the boxes around the starships on the videotapes are the ship's
shields, visualized by the "ghost" of a jedi knight that was killed in the
clone wars and now found a new home in the recorder...

Carry on... it's funny!

Roland
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From: AVRK90@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Kevin Cox)
Subject: C-3PO Schematics
Organization: Motorola
Date: 28 Dec 1992 17:46:40 MST

I found this in some Star Wars news paper that was published in '77 (I
think).  It's probably copywrighted, oh well....



SEE-THREEPIO - SERIAL #: C-3PO/Z195A46
               TYPE: Translator
               DROID CLASS: Servant/Domestic
               OWNER: Luke Skywalker
               PROGRAMMING: Protocol; Human-droid Relations Specialist
                            Class C
               CONSTRUCTION: Imperial Cybernetics Corporation

DESCRIPTION: Height - 1.92 meters
             Weight - 226 kilos
             Finish - burnished duralloy, a scratch-resistant alloy

Bipedal, roughly human in appearance.
C-3PO model droids are programmed to blend perfectly with human society,
even to the extent of mimicking human gestures and idiosyncrasies.
Their external arrangement, conforming as closely as possible to the
pan-human norm, is designed to convey an expression of neutrality--there
is still considerable hostile feeling for droids on the more backward
worlds of the galaxy, and a droid so resembling a human must watch his
step.See-Threepio is equipped with a complete range of visual, auditory,
olfactory and sensile receptors, as well as a broadband antenna for
receiving the electronic communications of less-sophisticated robots.His
main function--as a cosmeticized interpreter--is to translate instantly
any one of thousands of galactic tongues.  As a translator, the
creativity output of his motivator is minimal, and he has little
aptitude for embellishing his translations.

HISTORY:Several translator
droids of the highly-sophisticated C-3PO model were ordered by the Royal
Family on Alderaan for use as servant/domestics.  This particular droid
was given the usual tests for normalcy, and was found to be slightly
erratic; but instead of returning him to Imperial Cybernetics, a minor
clerical error ordered him put to work as a Drudge; programming binary
load lifters.  Reassigned as a personal valet to the Viceroy of
Alderaan, See-Threepio was added to the staff of a privately-manned
Galactic Cruiser, and narrowly missed seizure by Imperial stormtroopers
when the vessel was boarded.  Escaping to the inhospitable surface of
the planet Tatooine, See-Threepio was sold by local scavengers to Owen
Lars, the late uncle of the legendary Luke Skywalker.

CONDITION: Although See-Threepio suffered various forms of damage on the
hot, abrasive world of Tatooine, he was recently reconditioned by
technicians on the rebel base of Yavin.  New servomotors were installed
in a severed right arm, and a completely new finish applied.  In spite
of the continued erratic functioning of the logical and analytical
sections of the droids's motivator, he has not been subjected to a
memory erasure as might be expected under the circumstances.  His heroic
actions in helping to deliver the vital readouts to Yavin amply proved
his dedication to the rebel cause.  See-Threepio has shown a unique and
remarkable tendency to commit deliberate falsehoods, an action
completely independent of his protocol programming.
From: producer@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: SW CARDS AGAIN
Date: 2 Jan 93 05:37:59 GMT
Reply-To: producer@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: University of Florida - CIRCA

Well, once again i'm trying to get my cards in order. This will
be my third time working to get this right. Maybe i can this time.

I have one list of cards i need and another list of cards i have to
get rid of. I would much rather preferr to trade, but i am willing
to sell at and buy at a fair price. If you need help with your
collection, or if you can help me, please respond via e-mail
and i'll get those lists to you right away.


Thanks. 


Randy...
Producer@maple.circa.ufl.edu

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Date: Sat,  2 Jan 93 21:36:01 MST
From: julie@kentucky.et.byu.edu (Julie Gritton)
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Another error?
Reply-To: julie@bones.et.byu.edu
	<1992Dec30.132945.4217@hemlock.cray.com>
	<1992Dec31.204345.3686@schbbs.mot.com>

Um...I don't remember Spielberg being involved with ANH...

"You could use a good kiss!"		JULIE
From: shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Meaningless dialogue
Date: 29 Dec 92 01:22:11 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1992Dec26.152050.1@camins.camosun.bc.ca> comptec92023@camins.camosun.bc.ca writes:
>Meaningless dialogue
>ANH C-3PO  "...the dammage doesn't look as bad from out
>             here."
> Can anyone explain the significance of this useless statement???

"That's funny, the damage doesn't look as bad from out here."

I think this line ties in with another mysterious C3PO statement a short time
earlier: "Did you hear that? They've shut down the main reactor. We'll be
destroyed for sure. This is madness!".

One might ask, why was the main reactor shut down? Well, it wasn't madness :-),
the Blockade Runner decided to avoid destruction by (apearing to) surrender.
A very sensible thing to do when you have the Rebel's sole copy of the DS plan.
Furthermore, the rebels hoped that diplomatic immunity and fear of senatorial
action will moderate whatever the Empire had in mind for them. After all, only
DV is so bold as to ignore both factors (according to Leia). It was the
rebel's bad luck that exactly DV was on the attacking SD.

C3PO, not privy to such delicate command decisions is mystified at the decision
to shut down the main reactor. Thinking that the BR was too damaged in battle
to offer resistance, C3PO was again surprised to find that it has surrendered
(nearly) intact.

- This is NOT a highly speculative interpertation (unlike most of my posts :]).
The only way one can explain the decision to shut down the main reactor, is as
a decision to (appear to) surrender. (This brings up the evil of DV who ignore
diplomatic norms). C3PO surprise at the low level of damage only reinforces
the point that the BR choose not to fight to the end.

-- On another level, C3PO may actually be viewed in a favorable light in this
incident (uncharacteristic, but not unique). While the rebels hoped diplomatic
norms would protect them, the simple minded C3PO actually had the Imperial
intentions figured out in his "black and white" understanding of things.


- What do you guys think?


Dan Shoham               shoham@ll.mit.edu
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From: knecht@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (knecht roland)
Subject: WideScreen London again...
Summary: Where in London can the Widescreen-Box be bought?
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 00:43:28 GMT


Hi There!

First thanks to all who answered my question about the
Widescreen-Collection (is it available in London?).

The answer(s) I got said there should be a boxed set for about 35 pounds.

A friend who spent some days there just found the three single tapes for
about 17 pounds each (51L to buy all three of them.)

No store (Virgin, Forbidden Planet,..) knew anything about a set...

Now some relatives of mine will go to London... where shall I have them
look for the boxed set?

Thanks!!!

Roland Knecht

--------------------------------------------------------
Yes, I'm swiss, so don't mind my english... :-)
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From: knecht@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (knecht roland)
Subject: Re: RPG - "Haste"-question
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 17:25:26 GMT

Hi!

Thanks for the answers!!!!


There is one thing that still irritates me:

In the Rules Companion (are there more than one?) on page 14 there are
"Optional Haste Rules". A character declares speed-action (2H), shot (1H),
shot(1H), speed(1H) - I would say: 9 actions (2 speed, 2 shots, 5 haste).
But they talk about an penalty of 5D (instead of 8D). A bug in the book?


Happy New Year!

Roland Knecht
From: wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars New Movie
Date: 3 Jan 93 18:54:07 GMT
Reply-To: wag5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <A15090@HB.maus.de> Joachim_Hoss@k.maus.de (Joachim Hoss) writes:
>Hi!
>
>A few months ago (In july, I think) there was an ad in a magazine in Berlin,
>Germany. It was from Fox Germany and they were lokking for: "...extras for the
>Film STAR WARS: The Fall Of The Republic." I don't know wether it was some kind
>of Hoax or not.
>Joachim Hoss
>Cologne, Germany

	Interseting. A year or so ago there were postings around campus
that the next Indiana Jones film would be partially filmed here and that
people should show up on such and such a date at some place to audition.
It looked very authentic but it was a hoax.

				John
From: crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Star Wars: The Pinball Game!
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 23:33:58 EST
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

I just got back from the arcade and about ten dollars lighter.  Aside 
from Sega's new Virtua Racing (a most AWESOME racing simulator), I spent 
way too much money on the new Star Wars pinball game!  Sitting right next 
to it was the Dr. Who pinball machine.  Both were excellently done, 
except for one thing.  The SW game had a thin, plastic Darth Vader bust 
on the top of the machine that wobbled furiously every time the machine 
was nudged, making his head bob.  I don't know... it just looked, well, 
weird. =)


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From: support@fy.chalmers.se (F-sektionens Entusiaster)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Meaningless dialogue
Date: 1 Jan 93 13:15:00 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Univ. of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden

In article <1992Dec29.192845.23654@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>, barth@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barth.richards) writes:
|> My translation:
|> 
|> 
|>      C3PO: "The dammage doesn't look as bad from out here."
|> 
|>      R2D2: "You're such a schmuck!  That's not our ship!"
|> 
|>      C3PO: "Oh."
|> 

LAUGH !

Agree.

// Anders Liden
Mysse of Kingdoms
You dont know the power of the dark side of the force.
al@fy.chalmers.se
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From: chad@quality.ta.ford.com (Chad Childers)
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Subject: ConFusion @! party
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Date: 22 Dec 1992 16:23:44 -0500
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Keywords: Net TrekMuse FurryMuck Jan 22-4 Detroit

Transcendental ConFusion is coming soon... and we are once again planning a
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a general computer room, an Amiga room, a con suite, gaming, a fanzine room,
art show, masquerade ball, picnic, movies, panels and a writing workshop.

-- 
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From: USR6184A@cbos.uc.edu
Subject: Millenicon -8, Dayton, Ohio
Keywords: CONVENTIONS, MIDWEST, OHIO
Organization: At Home; San Jose, CA USA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:50:58 GMT

                          Millenicon Minus-Eight

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From: kt1@herahera.cc.bellcore.com (tellefsen,karen a)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.announce
Subject: New Jersey Science Fiction Society
Date: 22 Dec 1992 12:41:02 -0500
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
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The New Jersey Science Fiction Society (NJSFS) is a group of
shy, quiet people who like to read. It is a non-profit, literary
organization registered in the state of New Jersey. SMOFs, while 
not excluded, are not encouraged. NJSFS generally meets the third
Saturday of the month at the Belleville Masonic Temple, and features 
writers, artists, editors and other pros in the field.  Its newsletter, 
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or write to: 

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