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From: IS480P02@WCUVAX1.BITNET (Joe Morris)
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Subject: Re: 'in the news...'
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:16:00 GMT
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 09:09:00 CDT
From: Daniel Henry <DHENRY@NNOMED.BITNET>

>From Zahir:
>> America is popular all over the world....(TV, magazines, music)...so the
>> world watches America.... Its unrealistic to expect America to present
>> countries that are not in the news.....
>
>I think you're right about the *market forces* driving TV specifically
>and news in general...      but why is it that whenever I hear a news
>anchor report about some catastrophe outside of the US, I get that
>sinking feeling as s/he describes the victims simply as:
>    "no americans were involved..."  or...
>    "x americans were on board..."
>I guess it just seems harsh to my sensibilities.
>as if:
>    "Oh, who cares... no americans were there."
> ........

I AGREE!  I think it is very insensitive on the part of the American
press for them to distinguish between the Americans and the "other people"
when it comes to peoples lives and their injuries.

I don't care about just the Americans--I am concerned about ALL of the
people involved.  I find it emabarrasing when the press reports only on the
American statistics.  It shows a complete lack of concern for everyone else
who is not American.

Is the American press the only one that favors its own people like this?

Joe Morris, undergraduate & Assoc. Data Analyst in Raleigh, NC
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 08:03:29 -0700
From:         OLIVER@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU
Subject: Re: The seven or eight of us.

In reply to Emmy's query, one of the curious features of BITNET lists
is that many of them are quite large but have very little traffic.
We now have around 250 members in XCULT-L, but as Emmy has pointed
out, there seem to be only 7 or 8 taking part in the discussion.

I'd like to invite the rest of you to tell us something about yourselves
and your interests.  Where do you live, what are you studying/teaching
and why did you decide to become a member of XCULT-L?

Oliver Seely
Listowner, XCULT-L
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 11:14:41 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: National Identity

Marilyn,

Whether its changing careers or changing spouses or changing residence
from state to state.....America allows that.....

Its not that it is disallowed in other cultures..... In America, laws
are enforced strictly by those in Law enforcement...where in more
homogeneous cultures laws/values are enforced by society.... in effect,
one faces ridicule, ostracization and disapproval for doing any of the
above because the one who does this is a poor example to a lot of others...

The concept of privacy and individual rights are superceded by what is
considered good for society as a whole...and people are often expected to
settle for jobs (on economics not interest), encouraged to make the
marriage work (accept a boring spouse because he is a good income
generator?), and to stay where the extended family is rather than move to
another part of the country....

On the other hand the same values lead to fewer problems, lots of support,
and best of all, less need of psychologists, counselors and LAWYERS!

zahir
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:21:12 -0700
From:         OLIVER@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU
Subject:      RE: Lost address
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I would remind all XCULTers that the list of addresses of all
subscribers to a list may be obtained (by another subscriber) by
sending the following message to LISTSERV@<node address of list>

review <name of list>

For example, for a list of subscribers to XCULT-L, one would send
the following message to LISTSERV@PSUVM.BITNET

review xcult-l

Your original welcome message contains this command as well as some
others and, as I recall, a reference to a command that will get you
a detailed list of other commands available to you.

Oliver
Listowner, XCULT-L
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:06:44 CDT
From:         "Patrick Christian" <AEZPATR@UICVMC.BITNET>
Subject:      Bosnia/Somlia

 I must admit that I forgot this, ABC reminded me of it.

 >> supplied by two major superpowers, Russia and China.... Who do the
 >> Serbs have....

 They had Tito.  Remember, Tito didn't want to play along with the Soviet Union.
 Gen. Mackense (sp) of Canada said that Tito armed that country to the teeth in
 order to disuade the Soviets from coming in there.  I can't believe I forgot
 that.
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 09:09:00 CDT
From:         Daniel Henry <DHENRY@NNOMED.BITNET>
Subject:      'in the news...'

From Zahir:
> America is popular all over the world....(TV, magazines, music)...so the
> world watches America.... Its unrealistic to expect America to present
> countries that are not in the news.....

I think you're right about the *market forces* driving TV specifically
and news in general...      but why is it that whenever I hear a news
anchor report about some catastrophe outside of the US, I get that
sinking feeling as s/he describes the victims simply as:
    "no americans were involved..."  or...
    "x americans were on board..."
I guess it just seems harsh to my sensibilities.
as if:
    "Oh, who cares... no americans were there."
Granted, some people want to know if travelling relatives etc. may
have been involved, but why not give a more even handed reporting, or
give an account of those who are not natives to the area...

off on another strange tangent...
Dan Henry               __o
DHENRY@NNOMED         _ \<,_
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 09:25:56 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: USA or United Nations

Hi Joe,

Yes I am a cynic and do think that Bush will attack Iraq..... the recent
exercises have already killed two pilots...and its the New York Times
that has reported that the strategy is to provke Iraq to another
confrontation ....

I don't believe Bush HAS to do anything to Iraq anymore....there is
incredible poverty and pain and suffering in Iraq as a result of the
previous war and the continuing embargo....  And, I have no doubt that if
Saddam goes and things cool off, we will find newer excuses (to balance the
power in the Middle East!!!!...and counter act the growing power of Iran
and Syria?????) and Bush will cater to our defence industries and corporations
to rearm them........

zahir
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:12:32 -0700
From:         "AUGUSTINE F. DURAN" <BELLM3084@BESTSD.SDSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: National Identity
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Zahir,
When I first got access to this system and I read your responses and comments
I felt that you were a very pompous individual.
I apologize for my first impressions.  As I have read your responses I have
come to respect your experience
and your knowledge.  I had beenen tempted to write to you and let you what I
thought of you but fortunately I tempered my immediate feelings.  I guess thats
what comes of maturing.  I plan to be in Chicago in November on a company
conference.  If at all possible I would like to meet with you.
Gus Duran.
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:43:37 EDT
From:         Mary Ellen Ugactz-Fernandez <ugactz@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: British vs American Humor

Humor: Has anyone ever visited Ireland?! Oh, I find them to be one of
the most wittiest group of people. Maybe I'm biased since I went to
visit family but they have a way of telling a story that sort of
resembles the way southerners here tell stories, with a lot of colorful
language and unusual metaphors. It's quite impressive and creativ!
/Emmy

Trying to lighten up this newsletter a bit. there's a lot of political
criticisms nowsadays.(smile)
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:44:00 EDT
From:         IPW <WILSONT@MCMASTER.BITNET>
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oliver ... i keep either losing your address or messing it up ... thank you for
your help ... i would have never recovered from losing my original netlist ...

daud?
ruth?
sy?

what/who else have i missed?

trish/witchy
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:44:20 CDT
From:         "Patrick Christian" <AEZPATR@UICVMC.BITNET>
Subject:      Bosnia/Somalia

 Maybe I'm the Devil's avocate here, but please think about what I'm going to
 contribute about the current world situation.  This situation seems far more
 complicated than the Gulf War.

 In Bosnia, what can be done that will work?  I've thought about that and I come
 up with this.

 1)  Bomb artilary sites.  That will work for a very short time.  It doesn't
     take much to realize that if a pilot want's to take out you artilary piece,
     you just fire a few shots and move the artilary piece.  That keeps them
     relatively hidden.  Not much is gained.

 2)  Open a corridor with force to bring in food.  It can work, but it has it's
     problems.  If the "bad guys" don't want you suceed, all they do it harass
     the column with snipers.  If you attack the snipers, then you need more
     people and guns to accomplish the same thing.  Your only other choice is
     to withdrawn.  Either way, you put your people at great risk, basically
     make them targets.

 3)  Invade in order to pasify the population.  That will require a huge force.
     Even if you have the huge force, there is still no guarantee that it will
     work.  The Nazi's brought 35 divisions into Yugoslavia during World War II
     and still their plans did not succeed.  Are occupation troops the answer?

 I admit that I don't know enough about the Somalian situation, other that rival
 army's are making such a mess that delivering food becomes a teribly risky
 situation.  Who are the bad guys there?  Who are the good guys?  Who gets angry
 when you bring food in and how will they attack you if continue?  Does anybody
 know?

 Don't get me wrong, I don't like what happening there.  But, if the UN rolls
 in there like a proverial "John Wayne", it will be a disaster.  The Vietnam
 War taught us that.  The Vietnamese Communists were successful using tactics
 that were similiar to what the Serbs are using now.  I'm afraid that I don't
 know enough about the Somlians to know how they operate.

 I would dearly love to see relief get to these people, but we got to plan this
 or the forces sent in might as well paint targets of their backs!
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Date:         Sat, 22 Aug 1992 11:15:41 G+3
From:         CCA3203@SAKAAU03.BITNET

 FROM     Hashim Al-attas
 SUBJECT  Bosnia & Somalia
 DATE     23/08/92




  It is really the 1st time to participate in this discussion list and
  the reason is that there are no such interesting topics recently have
  been discussed, As well as i am a new participant.
  In addition i am realy reading most of lists daily for curiousity and
  surely when found what interests me i would give my full attention to-
  wards it.

  I liked very much indeed what had been writen regarding bosnians and
  think that world did't give massive attention towards them, I do't
  know why people are being so surly there is no more fairness nowadays
  we can see (bosnians & somalians) screaming things over there have
  been declined & no one is......., No many actions.

  Surely you are right.. Whom said there are no economic interests over
  there, But if we look at it from a point of view being humans would see
  it very hard situation and needs big attention. I do hope u agree with
  me about it.



  Hashim
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:55:47 -0400
From:         x91ahmed4@GW.WMICH.EDU
Subject:      Re: Voting

I guess President Bush will win the election...


Dilshad
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 10:49:00 PST
From:         JROUTH@EWUVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Anti Americanism.......?

Well let me apologise in the beginning if I have offended any of you guys. I
did relent sending my last mail to Phil and I sure got carried away.

To make it clear on the onstart itself I do not host any anti american feelings
Basically in a democracy when you try being a conformist because you
speak out openly about things that PLAGUES; you are immediately clubbed into
something ANTI......

My questions, demands whatever you name is more fudamental. I want a govt that
says and does things straight (Utopia! possibly) "Of the people, by the people
and for the people" in a simple honest manner. My vexation is with a coetrie
of people namely the politicians be it American, Soviet, Indian, British, South
African, Israeli or anybody else who manage to put PRIORTIES and INTERESTS
before anything else and ignores basic human values and cry of anguish from
people who need help.

I have been working actively as a social worker for the last 6 years (since I
was 18) and I have the greatest compassion for the people who need help be it
in the US (I'm working here with the Salavation Army and DARE as a volunteer),
India, Ethopia or Bosnia. What frustrates me is when people are affluent and
are and can help to make the world a better place to live (too philosophical)
by bringing about peace and love then why this INDIFFERENCE, CALLOUS ATTITUDE
etc. It was in this context that I had criticised the US foreign policy often.
Yes, when I was in India then also I had been equally vociferous on some of the
issues as anti Hindu fanatism, caste system, the reservation policy of the
Indian govt., and freedom of press which made me and sometimes others
squeamish. People like me I guess are difficult to be at peace bec we tend not
to be hoodwinked by the glib talks of some demagogues.

YES, I certainly will like to participate in something totally apolitical for a
change. Would anybody care to know more on INDIA religion, heritage,
spritualism? I greatly enjoyed reading the piece of humor by the unidentified
guy.

Joyanto
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:37:52 -0400
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Anti Americanism.......?

Joyanto:

Sometimes the process of becoming affluent....seems to change people....
They claim they get wiser...... You are probably too young to have any interest
in Neil Young...he sings that they (the activists and hippies of yesteryear)
as being interested in "a 100,000 miles and seven year warranties" in a great
song called the "days that used to be" I think....

Keep up the good work.

zahir
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:42:13 EDT
From:         Mary Ellen Ugactz-Fernandez <ugactz@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Voting

Deborah:

I don't know what to say... I'm not heere to force anyone to vote..and
even though, I don't agree with your way of thinking..I can respect
that that is your opinona and your way of thinking...I don't wish to
fight over who is right, because then we get into quarrels..

I guess owe all have to face here that some of us define citizen
responsibilities as one thing and some of us define it as another... or
in other terms...

I do wish we would avoid sarcastic remarks as you  mnetioned before. I
tkae some offense to your "good little citizen" term but it probably
wasn't meant as such.

Is anyone else out there besides the seven or eight of us? (smile_)
I'd like to hear some new questio ns.

/Emmy
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From:         EDUARDO CHAVES -- UNICAMP <CHAVES@CCVAX.UNICAMP.BR>
Subject:      Re: National Identity (Brazil)

Shows produced by Globo Television in Brazil, most of them
very well produced sequential series (soad opera style), are
broadcast in more countries than Dinasty is. I have watched
them in France, Switzerland, Italy, Cuba and Communist China.
They are regularly broadcast in the US in Spanish speaking
channels. When things are well done, there is demand for them.
Those who know me from this list know that I am not a Brazilian
chauvinist. Brazilian movie films, for example, are awful, for
the most part. But these programs are well done and sell well.

Eduardo CHAVES
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:11:00 EDT
From:         Allan Schramm <SCHRAMAN@SNYONEVA.BITNET>
Subject:      Abortion

I'm happy to have abortion or any other subject discussed on the List...It
doesn't take me long to delete and skip any topics that don't interest me.

However, I do like to have the contributions framed in a cross cultural contest
whenever possible. I would be very much interested in how other cultures deal
with this issue of abortion.

        --Allan Schramm, Oneonta, New York   USA
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From:         "Debra A. Berkeley (813) 974-2651" <DECABAA@CFRVM.BITNET>
Subject: Re: The seven or eight of us.

Oliver:

Several weeks ago I wrote a letter concerning the little traffic that takes
place on this list. I also wrote another one about where I was from and a few
little details about my island. Just in case you did not receive it and since
you asked, I am from the U.S. Virgin Islands, which is considered a territory
of the U.S. The VI has being under U.S. rule since 1917 and was purchased from
Denmark in that year. They were primaraly purchased, along w/ Puerto Rico, for
military strategic purposes in the Caribbean. Although no military practices
occur in the VI, which includes the islands of St. John, St. Thomas and St.
Croix, military exercises does occur on a tiny island called Viecuz
(spelling?). Viecuz is off the coast of Puerto Rico and is part of that
island. These islands lie only 20 minutes apart from each other by plane. I
remembered long time ago when I lived in St. Thomas (which is where I am from)
when the entire island seemed to have shaken when military exercises went on
on Viecuz.

Now for the reasons why I rarely participate. Firstly I usually like to listen
to the ideas of others and mull them over before I respond, if I do at all. If
there is a topic that really interest me, I will put my 2 cents in. Lately the
topic of discussion is politics. When it comes to politics, I usually shy
away. Plus lately tempers have being running rampant on this list and w/ good
reason, however I do not feel like getting caught up in the cross fire. I do
read them though.

Why I joined the list. Well I joined because I enjoy hearing the opinions of
others concerning the world around us. I enjoy meeting people from around the
world, seeing how I cannot visit every country.In this case, I like
'networking' w/ others from other countries.
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:19:00 CDT
From:         "Phil Gerdes K-State Univ." <PHILG@KSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Bosnia/Somalia

From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET

>But Ofcourse,  we don't have any economic interests and unless corporate
>America is interested we never do anything.....

Bzzzt, wrong again.  Corporate America is very interested in Europe.
They are interested in a peaceful safe Europe.  A corporation builds
a factory, an office, a Pizza Hut to make money.  They don't build
them to have them blown up in a civil war.  There is lots of money
to be made and lots of new jobs to be created in those countries that
used to be behind the Iron Curtain.  Don't take financial planning
as a parttime job, you will be wasting your time..

-Phil--------------PHILG@KSUVM----------"Phir Milengay."-------------
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