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From: stodola@hns.com (John Stodola)
Subject: Re: Need to import some Scribe docs...
Organization: Hughes Network Systems Inc.
Distribution: hns
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:47:12 GMT

>We have a need (desire) to import a good number of Scribe documents
>into Interleaf (5).  The 'scribefilt' program they offered with release
>4 seems to do little if anything at all with the input, generating a
>basically empty result file.

We experienced the same problems.  The filter is far from perfect, but if you structure your conversion with some of the following factors, you should be able to get useful output.

The filter is quick but is has limitations.  It does not recognize all environments and commands.  It does not convert headings and footers.  It usually crashes on front matter (all the definitions before the actual text starts with @chapter[]).  It does not handle tables well.

We use the following sequence of steps and get reasonable results:

   Combine all source files into a single sequential file (helps with 
   global component renaming later)

   Strip out any unnecessary front matter, headers and footers

   Transfer the .mss file to your desktop or subdirectory

   Invoke the filter at a UNIX shell

   The output of the filter will be a new file with a .doc extension 

   Cut this entire document and paste into your target template document
   component bar

   Open the target document, and change all filter-defined components to 
   standard components used at your company

   Optionally, break the target document into multiple documents if using a book
   template.

It's important to us to keep consistency in our templates and components - that's why we process the Scribe input as a single file and then change component names.  If you're satisfied with the Interleaf output document components, you need not do this.

The output is TPS4, of course.  But, by opening it in an Ileaf5 desktop, it is automatically changed to Ileaf5.

An alternative to the Scribe filter is to force Scribe output to an ascii file, and then import that to an Interleaf document.  Works best if the front matter and headers/footers are striped out and text is not justified.  We generally have better luck with the Scribe filter.  

There are a few more tricks with the filtering.  Anyone interested can call or email me...


John Stodola	Hughes Network Systems		Germantown, Maryland
		301-428-2758
		email  stodola@hns.com
From: ltaylor@blinky.East.Sun.COM (Laura Taylor)
Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
Subject: Tadpole Port
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:14:36 GMT
Reply-To: ltaylor@blinky.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: blinky.east.sun.com

I have been having quite a bit of trouble getting Interleaf5
to start-up on a SPARCbook Tadpole. First there was a bug which
did not allow hostids that began with a number larger than 7.
When running license_install, you have to end up moving the
file called hpw00000000 to hpw<hostid>. Okay, so I did this.

Now, when Interleaf comes up, the desktop is totally unreadable.

So I was told to make a UI-Painter which I did. (Seeing as
nothing was legible on the desktop this was not easy.) I 
Custom -> Load the UI-Painter to change to greyscale, and
still and unreadable desktop.

Has anyone else encountered these problems?


 
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From: pavelz@tekeda.PEN.TEK.COM (Pavel Zivny)
Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
Subject: Re: Rotating text in frames
Summary: convert the text into an 'outline', then rotate
Date: 23 Aug 92 05:32:49 GMT
Reply-To: pavelz@tekig6.pen.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.


	If you have text, that is "Text" (not micro_document or some such),
    you can 'Convert to Outline' and then it becames outline and you can do
    graphic things to it (shrink it, rotate by whatever, etc.)

	One problem is that you have to have the some option installed, I think
    it's the 'advanced graphics'.

				Pavel

				  Pavel R. Zivny

	email			   work phone			M.S.
pavelz@tekeda.PEN.TEK.COM	 (503) 627-4755, or -2316 	47-786
Organization: Tektronix, Beaverton, Oregon
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Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
From: sehamb01@vulcan.spd.louisville.edu (Steve Hamburg)
Subject: Rotating text in frames
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 21:30:22 GMT

I was wondering if anyone could tell me how to rotate text in a frame other
than on 90 degree increments.  Thanks in advance-

Steve.
sehamb01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu

Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
From: sghate@eng.clemson.edu (Sudarshan Ghate)
Subject: Retrieving Interleaf Files
Keywords: Purge, Retrieve
Reply-To: sghate@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 21:42:21 GMT

Hi!
I accidently purged all my interleaf files. Is it possible to retrieve these files?
I know the files are not in the clipboard. 
Any help on this matter will be highly appreciated.  Please email me at 
sghate@eng.clemson.edu or post follow ups to this newsgroup.

Thanx in advance

Sudarshan Ghate



Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
From: Wolf.Paul@rcvie.co.at (Wolf Paul)
Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf,comp.lang.postscript,gnu.ghostscript.bug
Subject: Printing Interleaf 5.3 Postscript files with Ghostscript
Summary: Can it be done?
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:34:55 GMT
Reply-To: Wolf.Paul@rcvie.co.at (Wolf N. Paul)
Followup-To: comp.text.interleaf,comp.lang.postscript,gnu.ghostscript.bug
Organization: Alcatel Austria - Elin Research Center, Vienna
Apparently-To: <gnu-ghostscript-bug@uunet.uu.net>

All my attempts to process Interleaf 5.3-generated PostScript files
with Ghostscript 2.4 fail with various error messages.

Anyone have any hints or experience with this combination?

Thanks!

Wolf

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Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
From: jonsi@axeln.damek.kth.se (Jon Ingason)
Subject: Problem converting PostScript file to Interleaf image file
Reply-To: jonsi@axeln.damek.kth.se (Jon Ingason)
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 10:44:41 GMT


I have problem converting PostScript file to Interleaf image file.

I am using Interleaf 5.2 on IBM RS6000 and trying to convert Encapsulated
PostScript file (from Matlab) with "psfilt" and get segmentation fault:

	rotorn>psfilt cdbode.eps cdbode.img
	Start....
	 [----- Interleaf PostScript -----]
	Segmentation fault
	rotorn>ls cdbode.*
	cdbode.eps
	rotorn>

Does someone have some idea why segmentation fault occure here?

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From: ivory@e7sa.epi.syr.ge.com (John Ivory)
Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
Subject: Need to import some Scribe docs...
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:25:16 GMT
Reply-To: ivory@e7sa.epi.syr.ge.com
Organization: Tower Concepts


We have a need (desire) to import a good number of Scribe documents
into Interleaf (5).  The 'scribefilt' program they offered with release
4 seems to do little if anything at all with the input, generating a
basically empty result file.

Are there any other filters to do this for us?  Will I be forced to
write my own filter?  Any and all help appreciated.


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From: connie@uga.edu (Connie M. Doss)
Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
Subject: Re: EQUATIONS
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:05:40 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

Connie Mobley
Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
From: wargopl@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Peter L. Wargo)
Subject: Re: Retrieving Interleaf Files
Keywords: Purge, Retrieve
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 12:45:18 GMT

sghate@eng.clemson.edu (Sudarshan Ghate) writes:

>Hi!
>I accidently purged all my interleaf files. Is it possible to retrieve these files?
>I know the files are not in the clipboard. 
>Any help on this matter will be highly appreciated.  Please email me at 
>sghate@eng.clemson.edu or post follow ups to this newsgroup.

>Thanx in advance

>Sudarshan Ghate


Uhhh, I hope you have a backup tape.  If you're running under *NIX,
they're gone.  Bit bucket forever.

Even under DOS, it would be difficult to pull off, unless you haven't
created any new files in the mean time.

-pete

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From: johnd@phred.UUCP (John Daynes,,4392,)
Newsgroups: comp.text.interleaf
Subject: Importing into Interleaf
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:54:11 GMT
Reply-To: johnd@phred.UUCP
Organization: Physio-Control

I'm not an Interleaf user myself, but I'm looking for information on how well
Interleaf imports files from other software and other platforms.  So here goes:

1.  Can Interleaf import files from ProEngineer?  Ideally, it would be nice 
    to be able to bring an IGES file into Interleaf and paste it in as a hidden
    line view, or better yet, a shaded image.  Or would the ProEngineer model
    file have to be oriented in ProE first, then saved out in a 2d format which
    could be imported into Interleaf?

2.  What graphic file formats will Interleaf accept from Macintosh software 
    such as PageMaker and Photoshop?  I may have to take a snapshot of a shaded
    image in ProE, add some other graphics in Photoshop or PageMaker, and then
    try to import it into Interleaf.

We want to be able to take a model created in ProEngineer and use it instead of
photographs to illustrate an operator's manual.  If any of you have any experience
with this, or just have suggestions for things we can try, please let me know.

Thanks, 
John

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Newsgroups: comp.text
From: deldeen@watson.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Survey (second posting)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:32:22 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Sorry about the dummy posting.  Must have lost my message in the translation.

In  <23420@alice.att.com>  jaap@alice.att.com (jaap) writes:
> In article <1992Aug10.130747.4963@watson.ibm.com> deldeen@watson.ibm.com writes:
>  > Dear Reader,
>  >
>  > IBM Pennant Systems is interested in how you use various text processing
>  > tools.  We are interested in gathering documents with text and/or graphics
>  > in the following formats:
>
> What is IBM Pennant Systems and why do they want to know all this?
>
>       jaap

Following is IBM Pennant Systems Mission Statement:

"Be the premier provider of print related systems and services."

And from a brochure printed 3/92:

"... Pennant Systems provides distributed printing solutions on large, midrange
and local area network environments."

We hope the survey will provide more information about user patterns in printing
for our tests.

I hope this answers your questions and you decide to participate in our survey.
You may mail me direct if you would like to have more information sent to you.


Sincerely,

David Eldeen
From: harcoh@cs.kun.nl (Harco de Hilster)
Newsgroups: comp.text
Subject: Looking for RTF format
Keywords: RTF
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:34:13 GMT
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands

Hi,

I looking for a description of the RTF format that is used by Microsoft Word.

If someone knows how to obtain it, please let me know.

Many thanks in advance,


Harco.

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Newsgroups: comp.text
From: cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (KYLE CASSIDY)
Subject: text compression
Organization: Glassboro State College, Glassboro, NJ
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:31:02 GMT


	while ftping i frequently see programs with the .z suffix, which i 
assume is some type of text compression. what is is? and what do i need to 
de-arc something compressed with it?

thanks...kc
Newsgroups: comp.text
From: schuh@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Schuh RAA)
Subject: Re: postscript in troff
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 01:54:32 GMT

I found out that I have not been forwarding my mail from pioneer
to the machine I read mail on.  Because of this, I just found
several responses to my original posting.  Thanks to all for the
help.

Michael

In article <1992Aug13.205415.522@riacs.edu> schuh@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Schuh RAA) writes:
>Several weeks ago, I asked on this group how to include a postscript
>file in troff.  I did not get back to rn until today and so I missed
>many messages.  I am in hopes that someone answered my question
>but I can not tell because I did not get a chance to read all
>of the messages.
>
>Two questions:
>
> 1) How can I include a postscript file in troff?
>
> 2) Is there an archive for this news group and if so where is it?
>
>I would appreciate it if you would email me directly with your
>response.
>
>Thanks,
>  Michael
>
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From: mathieu@npdiss1.StPaul.NCR.COM (Tom Mathieu)
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: SGML under WordPerfect
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:26:19 GMT
Reply-To: mathieu@npdiss1.StPaul.NCR.COM (Tom Mathieu)
Distribution: usa
Organization: StPaul

WordPerfect is working on a new version of their product that
will "support" SGML.  Has anybody heard anything about this or
know when it'll be available?
From: srn@techno.com (Steven R. Newcomb)
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: SGML in newspapers?
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:45:45 GMT

(1) I would like to know of any examples of newspapers, etc., that use
SGML to represent their copy. 

(2) Is there a ``standard'' DTD for newspapers and/or newspaper
articles? Is there any DTD, standard or not, used by any newspaper?

Steven R. Newcomb, President
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From: connolly@convex.com (Dan Connolly)
Subject: SGML-B -- compiled SGML?
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 06:56:25 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

What's the word on SGML-B? Does it exist? I think I want to use it.

I want to process SGML documents interactively, and parsing markup is a
batch mode thing to do.

Some "compiled" representation should allow me to navigate the document
quickly. I should be able to load the data and compute things like:

  what's the value of the SUBTITLE attribute of the element with id x123?

Here's a C++ description of what I have in mind:
The above example translates to
   SGML_document *doc = SGML_document::open_SGML_B(cin);
   SGML_TOKEN *n = doc->intern("SUBTITLE");
   SGML_TOKEN *id = doc->intern("x123");

   doc->idref(id).attributes().value(n);

class SGML_ATTLIST;
class SGML_TOKEN;
class SGML_GI;
class SGML_ELEMENT;
class SGML_data;

class SGML {
  SGML_ELEMENT& parent();
  int data(); // returns 1 if this is a character data element
  int rank(); // rank() == -1 for root
              // else parent().child(rank()) == this

  SGML_ELEMENT* idref(const SGML_TOKEN& id);
	// resolve idref within the document
};

class SGML_data : SGML {
public:
  size_t length();
  const char* string(); // C character array
};

class SGML_ELEMENT : SGML {
public:
  SGML_GI& gi();

  int children(); // 0 for empty
  SGML& child(int i); // for 0 <= i < children()
  SGML& child(int n, const SGML_GI& gi);
	// e.g. 4th paragraph child, 5th header child

  SGML& sibling(int n){
	return parent().child(rank()+n);
	};
  SGML* next() { return rank()<parent().children() ? &nth_sibling(1) : 0; };
  SGML* prev() { return rank()>0 ? &nth_sibling(-1) : 0; };

  SGML_ATTLIST attributes();
};

class SGML_document : SGML_ELEMENT {
public:
  static open_SGML_B(PositionableStream&);

  SGML_TOKEN intern(const char*);
}

class SGML_ATTLIST {
public:
  int qty();
  SGML_GI& name(int i); // for 0 <= i < qty()
  int index(cost SGML_GI& name);
  SGML_data value(int i);
  SGML_attribute attribute(const SGML_GI& gi);
};

class SGML_NAME {
  SGML_NAME(const char* from_string); // like interning a symbol in lisp
};
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: Re: Semantics and SGML Application
From: raudabaugh@idicl1.idi.battelle.org
Date: 16 Aug 92 13:39:19 EST
Organization: IDI-Dublin
Nntp-Posting-User: raudabaugh

Seems to me that a lot of verbage has been expended on something so trivial.
SGML is not the end-all on document interchange.  A DTD describes the content
of a document but does NOT describe how an application should deal with the
content.

Guess what, ANSI C doesn't either.  A compiler should compile valid ANSI C,
but the good ones complain about unreachable code.  A source code analyzer
will tell you bad things but won't run your program.  A source code management
system will do other things.

Also, RE: interchangeability, ever ported a C program?  Compatibility, NOT!

An SGML document is in the eye of the beholder (or application).  SGML affords
an expected input for printing, editting, searching, ... whatever the app wants
to do.

I do hope that this group "lightens up" to a certain extent.  SGML is YAS
(yet another standard) that I know some of you have put blood/sweat/tears
in.  But it is still a YAS, a good one at that.

Speaking of YAS, I will be attending the IEEE WG on SFQL, a query language
that has a deep SGML roots.  Dates are 18-19 August.  Anyonelse going?
Love to continue the arguments over a brew.  Also willing to EMAIL/post
my observations if anyone cares.

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Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
From: stevenh@meaddata.com (Steven Hankins)
Subject: Models of Parsers
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:27:50 GMT

Has anyone developed mathematical or simulation models of an SGML
parser?  I am particularly interested in models of computer resource
consumption which would utilize characteristics of an SGML document
(size, tag type, etc.) as model inputs.

Thanks, Steve
From: WOHLER@BLDVM1.VNET.IBM.COM ("Wayne Wohler")
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: BookMaster to SGML Conversion
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:40:51 GMT


Rick Matzen asked about a GML-to-SGML or BookMaster-to-SGML converter
and, in the referenced note, Eliot Kimber responded.  I need to clarify
a few things that Eliot said and give a few hints which may make the job
implied by Rick's note a bit easier.

First of all, the GML2SGML converter does exist but is a quickly done IBM
internal tool to generate testcases for the SGML Translator product that
Eliot mentioned.  It is NOT shipped as part of that product.  Eliot did
mention the correct way to see about getting support for this and other
applications of SGML; "contact your local IBM representative".  Feel
free to reference either or both of us when discussing this with them.

I would like to expand upon the point Eliot made about the need to have
a very careful definition of what it is you are translating to.
Without knowing what your needs are it is difficult to know if
BookMaster (or an SGML derivative of it) will meet your needs, especially when
the needs we are discussing are the needs you will encounter in the
future, not just the requirements you have today.  Anyway, this is a
topic which deserves much more consideration and thought.  It will also
probably entail more than a simple delimiter transformation, which is
what GML2SGML does.

When thinking about what your SGML application will look like, Eliot
gives a good overview of the problems of converting the GDOC DTD to better
represent BookMaster, BUT it really isn't necessary to do much of this
work.  The DTD (Ericbook) in the back of Practical SGML by Eric van
Herwijnen is a DTD that is in use by CERN in production today.  I
believe that Eric has had some success in getting this DTD used in other
high energy physics labs around the world (though I haven't seen
anything in it that limits its use to that field!).
That would be where I would start if I were you in terms of finding an
SGML expression for today's BookMaster product.  NOTICE that this is
certainly NOT an official IBM position but an observation I had while
reading Eliot's note.

Wayne L. Wohler
International Business Machines Corporation
Publishing Solutions
Boulder, Colorado

The opinions expressed are my own and do not represent the opinions of
IBM.
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
From: bosak@netcom.com (Jon Bosak)
Subject: Re: SGML under WordPerfect
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 05:45:48 GMT
Organization: Netcom, a Commercial Internet Service in San Jose


Tom Mathieu writes:

TM> WordPerfect is working on a new version of their product that
TM> will "support" SGML.  Has anybody heard anything about this or
TM> know when it'll be available?

A Unix version of the product is in beta test.

You can expect the commercial introduction of significant SGML
products from several mainstream software vendors during the first
quarter of 1993.

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