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From: cyliao@iastate.edu (Jessy Liao)
Subject: Re: CB Walkie-Talkie
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 18:45:34 GMT

>Although I really have to question the usefulness of even carrying
>the thing around on trips. Once when visiting a friend in Reno, NV,
>
>It was about 20 degrees outside, our hands were freezing, and he
>couldn't get the lugnuts off his wheel to change to his spare tire.
>So I said "Hey, Joe, let's try my CB and see if we can get the CHP
>or an auto-club driver to respond for help." So for about 15 mins
>he stood there trying to raise someone on the "help" channel #19.
>(Joe's a pilot and knows how to converse on radios). 

	funny, since when emergency channel is #19. It's been channel
	9 since my knowledge about such a thing called CB.

	Anyway, we have traveled coast to coast with 3 car group,
	and CB provided lots of usefulness. Sure there's always someone
	messing around channels in some where (just like there's crime
	everywhere) but that doesn't mean everyone is bad.
	If your friend can't get ppl on channel #19, why not try others?
	you haven't tried other 39 channels, did you?
	It's not like everyone else HAS to be on the channel you are using.

	from those trips, CB proved us to be useful, and we'll definitely
	use it in our comming trip to colorado in January.

	have a safe trip.



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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: Car Phones
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 21:31:05 GMT

In article <78776@hydra.gatech.EDU> ph279sw@prism.gatech.EDU (FR Siqing WEI) writes:
>In article 91468,  Goudreau wrote:
>
>|In any case, do you *never* look away from the road when driving, even
>|for an instant?  If never, then how do you deal with, say, turning on
>|the defroster in an unfamiliar car (borrowed, rented, etc.)?
>|
>
>Now wait a second, the way to argue a point is not to try:
>
>I got away once, hence I can get away ALWAYS!
>
>Using your logic, can we say this:
>
>Some people manage to put their make-up while driving, 
>hence it is a safe practice to put make-up while driving?!
>(or you prefer, read newspaper, or whatever your favorate
>activities).
>
>The point is: permitting more distractions to the driver is
>(and will never) be a safe practice!
>
>Wei

I agree, I am against most drivers putting on make-up, reading
the newspaper, shaving, styling their hair (and continuously 
combing and/or brushing it - both male & female), carrying on
conversations with passengers that take your eyes off the road,
sightseers/rubber-neckers/etc, people who have to entertain
their babies/children.....while driving

the majority of us don't live in rural, unpopulated areas, we
live in metropolitan areas that have a lot of people trying to
get from one place to another - with this, plus the cars we have
today, there's no room for people who don't take driving seriously,
driving is not a game or a right, it is a privilege, and no one 
owns the road (although a lot of people tend to think they do)
we all owe it to each other to be the best driver we can be, and
if talking on a car phone, or anything else, that can/may distract
you, then don't do it

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From: donald@sq.sq.com (Donald Teed)
Subject: Re: Big Three Efforts to Fight Rust?
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 14:30:05 GMT

romansks@unvax.union.edu (Steve Romanski) writes:

>The problem with any undercoating is the first nick that you recieve in it
>allows water to get underneath it. It then holds the moisture very well,
>just check out an older car that was rustproofed, you will probably
>be able to stick you finger through any part that has been rustproofed.
>The bare metal will just be rusted.  

>Its best just to take your chances without rustproofing and keep it clean.

I think you are refering to only one type of undercoating - the rubberized
type.  There is also motor oil and a variety of hydrocarbon
coatings which are not solid coatings but just a wet surface.  You
don't need to be a rocket scientist to know that a piece of
metal coated with oil inhibits rust.  The best type of coating costs
roughly one hundred dollars and you can get it from Rust Check or
Crown Rust Control.  It doesn't involve dozens of holes, it doesn't
use regular oil which can dissolve rubber and plastic, and it is backed
by consumer groups such as the Canadian Automobile Protection Association.
Not all undercoating are the same.  Not all undercoating is a rip off.
We see loads of salt on the roads up here, and we need the protection to
keep a car from deteriorating in four years from being new.

--Donald Teed

Xref: sparky rec.autos:30526 ba.market.vehicles:4381
Newsgroups: rec.autos,ba.market.vehicles
Subject: Re: Impact is DEAD [was: Electric Vehicles]
From: stubbs@hawk.cs.ukans.edu (Jerry Stubbs)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 17:31:40 GMT
Organization: University of Kansas Computer Science Dept
Keywords: electric battery car vehicle solar

Yes, I think the gas car can't be totally replaced with the electric
car, but they could be a good supplement for short errands/commutes,
etc.  There might have to be some infrastructure in place, battery
exchange stations, plugs on parking meters, etc., before people 
will trust them enough to use them a lot. I think they will have
there place some day. There have been some made with 40mile/40mph
capability that might be suitable for these uses without hightech,
high-dollar batteries.  Those typically use 4-6 golf cart batteries,
and last forever, except for those batteries that have to be replaced
everyfew years. There is essentially zero fuel cost, typically less
than a penny per mile. Just pump air into the tires and charge it
daily.  Think of that the next time you pop $20K for a gas car
that will wear out in 4-8 years.
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: ELECTRICAL PROBLEMS WITH 1992 ACCORD EX-R
Date: 31 Dec 92 03:24:38 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <C01yL3.EMt@ecf.toronto.edu> yanr@ecf.toronto.edu (YAN RAYMOND TZE-HENG) writes:
>Hello netters,
>    As a response to a posted article, I frequently have the experience of
>getting shocked almost every time when I get out of my car. Personally I
>believe that it's a problem with the electrical system. I have my car checked
>up in a dealer but the explanation I got was normal 'static charge'. 

   1.  What do you mean by "response to a posted article"?  Do you
       only get shocked when you leave your car after reading the
       net?

   2.  With the exception of the spark plugs, there is NOTHING in
       car that generates the 30 Kv or so you would need to get a
       static shock.

   3.  Try spraying fabric softener (or wiping with a dryer sheet)
       your interior...or your hindquarters.  Fabric softener is an
       excellent and cheap antistatic product.
From: esl_manager@gimme.uh.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Saturn SL2 test-drive results
Date: 29 Dec 1992 20:54:36 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
Reply-To: esl_manager@gimme.uh.edu ()
NNTP-Posting-Host: gimme.cc.uh.edu

Hi Saturn enthusiasts,

I have been reading quite a lot of literature on the Saturn line of cars
and finally went to a local dealership for a test drive. It was quite an
eye-opening experience. I sum up the experience into two catagories:
likes & dislikes. Before you begin, please bear in mind that I have
never owned an American-made car and I am still open to buy one if they
are comparatively better.

Car tested: SL2, 4dr, DOHC (twin-cam), 5-speed
Date tested: 24th Dec, 1992

Likes:
1) [Steering]: As far as its ability to make U-turns in very tight
swings, I must say that it very impressive, compared to other cars of
the same (or almost the same) size, like the Honda Civic and Acura
Integra.
2) [Handling & external noise]: As for the shocks, struts performance, I
would rate them excellent, considering the cost of the car. In short,
the handling feels firm when the situation calls for it, like when
you're negotiating a nice curve at, say, 45 MPH, but at the same time,
it is more comfortable than most Japanese cars when the car goes over
bumps or holes. The interior of the car seems to receive significantly
lower noise level when the car is going over bumps or holes compared to
the Honda type of cars.

Dislikes:
1) [Engine Noise]: The subject matter of this posting tells it all ---
noise. You may not believe me, but I feel that the engine-noise level of
the SL2 is higher than my Acura Integra RS 1988! I couldn't believe my
ears when I drove it. Could someone illuminate me on that matter? Is it
the noise of the timing-chain or some other design problems?
2) [Transmission]: The gears are a little heavy and sticky. Maybe I
should try another SL2 elsewhere but that was what I felt when I drove
it. May be someone can explain to me. Could there be a major difference
between Japanese transmission and that of American technology?


Conclusion:
I would try as far as possible to buy American but considering the fact
that price of an Acura Integra RS and that of a Saturn SL2 pretty close,
I have no doubt that the former is a better buy. Note that I have not
test-driven the latest Integra yet. I was basing my comparisons with my
current 1988 Integra.

--
Arthur





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From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: What is the resonable oil comsumption?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:42:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.202523.18803@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser) writes:

>Are you using synthetic, Kenny?

Off and on. I was losing so much thru the valve cover gasket before I got
the new neoprene rubber one, I didn't feel like wasting good synth. I
haven't changed back to Mobil 1 since I've made the change.

>Weren't/Aren't you the one getting 16mpg on the highway?

Don't remind me....

>BTW, is the mailing list still up?  I had something bounce twice.  It's
>merkurlist@pcad.UUCP, right?

Yep, that's the address- what you probably saw were bounce paths back from
members whose addresses are messed up/defunct. If you're actually having
propagation problems (I don't recall seeing anything from you), try 
running it thru UUNET first, i.e., "merkurlist%pcad.UUCP@relay1.uu.net".

	-Kenny

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From: yuru@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Yuru Wu)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Help, scratches on the accord
Date: 22 Dec 1992 18:32:00 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: yuru@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

Recently my car (1992 Honda Accord, dark bule) hit the corner of the garage 
and left some scratches on the rear body panel. The scratches are about a
few inches long, and are just above the rear wheel. The paint in that area
was damaged and the metal is visible. 

I took the car to a bodyshop and a Honda dealer and got different estimates.
The bodyshop guy said the repair work will cost around $250, and the
dealer wanted something like $450. My question to the netters are, are these
estimates reasonable? How difficult it would be to do the work my self? I
would also appreciate your recommendations of reputable Milwaukee area 
auto bodyshops.

Thank you for your help.

Yuru Wu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: glk9533@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (Greg L. Kimnach)
Subject: Re: Car bras
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center / Cleveland, Ohio
Distribution: na
Date: 24 Dec 1992 11:02 EST  

In article <4924@ceylon.gte.com>, hhd0@newshost.gte.com (Horace Dediu) writes...
>In article <92357.110207SROWELL@ESOC.BITNET>, SROWELL@ESOC.BITNET writes:
>|> The US seems to be the only country in the world that uses these 'Car
>|> Bras' (correct me if I'm wrong). Whenever I see a car with one of these
>|> vinyl sheets strapped to the bonnet, it's often one of those cars that
>|> have those parking sensor probes sticking out of it, the hifi blaring out
>|> through heavily tinted windows and driving conspicuously slowly so everyone
>|> can notice 'the wheels'.The owner probably still has the polythene wrappers
>|> on the front car seats!
>|> 
>|> No, Car Bras are very silly and if you don't tailgate (as has already been
>|> pointed out by some sensible gentleman)you are very unlikely to need one.
>|> 
>|> Save your money and buy a small pot of touch-up paint...
>|> 
>|> Simon
> 
>Thanks for all the advice.
>It has been overwhelmingly against the bras.  What I was concerned about is
>protection against the enormous amount of debris that is thrown onto my car.
>There is almost nothing I can do to protect it.  Most of the roads I travel
>daily are under construction, furthermore the roads are sanded and/or salted
>after every snowstorm.  You can hear the shower of particles hitting the car
>every day.  Trucks are the biggest problem, and the potholes which dislodge
>the missiles are here to stay.  I don't have a cosmetic fetish, but seeing
>a new and expensive car get a 1/2 inch chip of paint removed in the first
>two weeks of operation breaks my heart.  Some enterpreneur should consider
>a solution which will not detract from the appearance of the car.  In the
>meantime I'll grit my teeth and bear it.  Touch-up paint will retard rust, but
>the appearance of the clearcoat is gone forever (and the car is black...sigh...)

Oh, this reminds me of another product that JC Whitney used to carry: a 
fiber-glass facia that was paintable.  This seemed silly, but they had it.
And there was a "stealth, radar absorbing" option....these fit the "feeler, 
slow cruising, 3000W bass, juvenile profile.
Greg
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From: gpn0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (GARY PHILIP NEWHART)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Impact is DEAD [was: Electric Vehicles]
Date: 27 Dec 92 16:23:55 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Dec24.135201.8745@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, bqueiser@magnus.ac
s.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser) writes:
>troyf@microware.com (Troy Frericks) writes:>
>Well, ladies and germs...
>
>According to yesterday's (Wed., Dec 23, 1992) Cleveland Plain Dealer,
>Business Section, Page 1:
>
>GM is killing the Impact.  Dead.  Gone.  Kaput.
>
>Don't have the article with me now, but I remember the following:
>
>- Engineers/marketers/etc. are having a hard enough time keeping the
>  cost of the vehicle below $25,000.
>- Performance/utility wouldn't be as good as what most drivers have
>  now or expect to have.
>- Technology is expensive and isn't really paying off (read:  Only the
>  government can afford it).
>
>Since this was to be pretty much the premier, mass-produced electric
>vehicle in this country (or the world, for that matter), I'd be willing
>to bet that other manufacturers are having the same problems and coming
>to the same conclusions.  What does this mean will happen to GM in CA?
>Zero emissions is gonna be pretty tough to beat without electric
>vehicles.
>
>Not that I'm upset about the whole thing; long live the internal
>combustion engine!
>
>Flame away, eco-freaks!  Electric cars aren't gonna solve the problems,
>just make some tree-huggers feel good about themselves.
>
>Regards,
>
>Brian

And what do you suggest, oh wise one? Do you own stock in the petroleum
industry? Let me guess, this green house gas and pollution of the atmosphere,
and not to mention increase lung disease is a phenomenon not attributed to
the internal combution engine? Are you kidding?

Not a tree hugger, just trying to content with reality
cheers,
gary
From: chan@sumax.seattleu.edu (Anthony K.B. Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: audi - luxo-lemons?
Date: 30 Dec 1992 02:11:05 -0800
Organization: Seattle University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sumax.seattleu.edu


In article <1992Dec23.4168.43193@dosgate> "jim hepworth" <jim.hepworth@canrem.com> writes:
>I'm thinking of getting a used Audi (83,84,85?) for a second car for
>just wheeling around in town (non-commuting). I like the styling and
>handling reputation of these cars, but I hear negative comments on this
>car as well. The APA (Automobile Protection Agency (Canada)) gives the
>thumbs down on these car in terms of expensive maintenance, poor gas
>mileage and high depreciation after three years. The 4000 with the 2.3
>litre engine is smooth and peppy but cramped. The 5000 is roomy, but has
>more problems thna the 4000 series. I'd like to hear feedback from
>owners on how they have liked their Audi, and is it really deserving of
>its reputation. Thanks in advance.

In another reply Mike writes:

>Now some more pummeling of a deceased equine (unintended acceleration):
>Clearly the drivers were hitting the wrong pedal, but why?  (1) The pedals were
>closer together than on some cars, which makes it easier to drive but also
>easier to hit the wrong one if your foot is coming from far away from the
>pedals.  (2) The driver's seat was moved to the right to protect the driver
>from side impacts, and the pedals were moved to the left because of the big
>auto. trans. hump in the middle.  So the pedals were slightly farther to
>the left than on some cars.  (3) The idle stabilizer sometimes raised the
>idle shortly after cold starting to maintain smooth running.  If you had
>already shifted into gear before this happened, you may have had to apply a
>little more brake pressure to maintain the same crawling speed.  This
>wasn't a sudden surge.

>These were not basic flaws in the Audi's design and construction, but
>merely slight differences from other cars, to which one quickly adjusts.
>End of story.  So, now, please, can we all just get along?

I agreed with Mike that the unintended acceleration is probably due to 
drivers' errors more than anything else. I remember reading an article in 
a car magazine, can't remember which one but it's one of the big three; stated
that the DOT later admitted that the probable cause was due to drivers' errors.
Also in the same article it pointed out that other makes also have similar
problem reported and the funny thing is Audi was not on the top of the list.

By the way I didn't think there was any unintended acceleration problem
reported in Europe, well at least in U.K.. I have been living in U.K. from
82-85. One of my neighbour has an 82 100 (5000s in US) and then another
one across the street has and 84 100. They both seems to be very happy
about their Audi. Audi is very well respected in Europe. I have an 85 5000s
an it seems to be fine, but I do agreed that Audi are expensive to maintain.

Anthony

From: seghers@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (David Seghers)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 18:30:20 GMT
Subject: Re: Buying auto dealership??
Organization: HP Response Center Lab
Newsgroups: rec.autos

If you are worrying about the cost of a $250 pair of book - you might
want to reconsider wanting to take over such a business.  If it is
focused on exactly the decision you are trying to make, it is probably
the cheapest tuition you could find.  It sounds like you don't even
know the right questions to ask at this point.  (Not a flame, by
the way.  Everyone starts at this level.  How quickly they learn
is a good indicator of success in the future.)  Committing funds to 
reseach is not a waste, especially if it keeps you from making a *really*
dumb mistake!


David Seghers (seghers@hpcc01.HP.COM) 415-691-3730

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From: ce423@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Josh Lackey III)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Chain Driven "New" Cars?
Date: 2 Jan 1993 03:02:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce423@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Josh Lackey III)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



I'm very impressed with everything about the new Dodge Intrepid,
Eagle Vision, and Chrysler Concorde, i.e. overall design, quality
of workmanship, features, etc.   From what I've seen and read,
Chrysler will have great success with these entries.

  The only thing that concerns me about these cars is how the transmission
is linked to the gearbox. The engine is not tranverse mounted, but 
longitudinally mounted which is fine. The car is front wheel driven,
which is also OK. The transmission mounts to the back of the engine,
and is very similar to the conventional front-engine/rear-wheel-driven
design, but is linked to front gearbox using a chain. 

  I'm wondering what the reliability of this design will be after say,
50,000 miles, and am wondering if any other recent model front wheel driven
cars have chains in the drive trains?  If so, how realiable have they
been?
-- 
Josh Lackey III      Internet E-Mail:     ce423@cleveland.freenet.edu 
                                          lackey@eglin.af.mil
From: tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Lemon Frequency, by Manufacturer
Date: 26 Dec 1992 01:08:40 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: cairo

[From Consumer Reports, January 1993]

"Number of 1991 lemon law cases each carmaker lost in six
state-run arbitration programs...  A score of 1 means the
company lost as many cases as its market share would predict.
A score of 2 means it lost twice as many; and so on...  We
can't say from the data whether the carmakers at the bottom
of the list built more lemons or simply failed to resolve
the cars' problems prior to arbitration."

Honda	 .1
Toyota	 .3
Nissan	 .5
GM	 .6
Subaru	 .7
Mazda	 .8
Mitsub.	1.0
Volvo	1.1
Ford	1.3
Saab	1.6
BMW	2.3
Chrysl.	2.7	
Hyundai	3.1
VW	3.2
Isuzu	3.6
From: ah190@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stuart Pearl)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Saturn Pricing Policy
Date: 25 Dec 1992 05:26:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Is it true that Saturn dealers are totally inflexible when it comes
to "dealing" on their cars?  I visited one showroom and the rep said
that it really didn't make any difference what time of the year a client
stopped in - pricing was according to their published schedules and they
didn't discount.

-stu
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