HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: janhen@sci.kun.nl
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Big numbers
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:37:01 GMT
Distribution: soc.bi
Organization: Intravenous News Addicts

In article <10582@scott.ed.ac.uk> bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies) writes:
>Y'know, the first thing Kay said to me at Norwich (after the accommodation
>dubris) was 'The safer sex materials are behind you'.... and he didn't say
>it to anyone else, either.... <sniff>.

No, he did mention it to me, too!

>I think you lot are tarnishing my reputation....

Then mine would be undergoing the same treatment, I suppose... if I had any
reputation to begin with.

>                                 Bethan
--
___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert      B4f+-t-w--g+k+(+)svmrp+  janhen@sci.kun.nl
\X/   It'sneveragoodideatoarriveinthepastwithyourpantsaroundyourknees -Sam
From: mlloyd@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Lloyd)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Cracker crumbs and where to put them
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:14:48 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Aug27.170900.49566@ccvax.ucd.ie> pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler) writes:
[in generally excruciating discussion of under-foreskin irritants]
>Doesn't *anybody* here have a foreskin?

I confess to being in posession of same ... I find it's most fun
when in bed (or alternatives) with Americans - at least two US partners
of mine have claimed >never< to have seen an uncut one before (apart
from pictures .. hey, that reminds me - must buy a polyester suit :)
They, um, ah, well, tend to be, ah, inquisitive, and, um, want to, er,
play with it a little.  Now far be it from me to hold back their
education .... *grin*

Whoops - there I was holding a vow of silence after dropping
out of this group while I'm in San Francisco.  Damn.  Most of the
time out here I've been too busy for net.stuff (and in that regard,
it's appropriate to pass on huge e-hugs to the other 5 hot-tub
occupants), but just recently I've been suffering a little health-wise.
Hence I can sit here, naked on this waterbed (just me and my foreskin :-)
spending my recouperation time in electronic bispace.  What a blissful way
to be.

*Hugs* to you all
Mike, for whom claims of one-track thesis mind have been well and
truly demolished
-- 
Mike Lloyd                         | B0/1 h- f- t w- c g+ k(+) s m- e? 
Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and     | "The Trouble with Normal is it
owner of a one-track mind:         |  Always Gets Worse" - Bruce Cockburn
   "thesis .. thesis .. thesis"    |    (-:   F**k Your Gender!  :-)
From: pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Cracker crumbs and where to put them
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:09:00 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <j4npbn5v@cck.coventry.ac.uk>, idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
> In article <1992Aug26.233055.49560@ccvax.ucd.ie> pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler) writes:
>>In article <72mpbg0c@cck.coventry.ac.uk>, idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>>> Hah! *You* get digestive biscuit crumbs under your foreskin and see how
>>> your sexual appetite dwindles...
>>
>>No, no, no, *you* get them under your foreskin and I'll be happy to remove 
>>them...
> 
> Can't; it's long gone, along with the tonsils and the vermiform appendix
> and the virginity.  Eheu, fugaces, as the poet says.

To say nothing of plange virginitatem meam. Alas, my foreskin is also gone,
but I retain my appendage^H^H^Hix and I'm due to have the tonsils removed
in the next month or so :-(

Doesn't *anybody* here have a foreskin?

///Peter
Xref: sparky soc.bi:11402 soc.motss:36969
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Re: Homoerotic bible quotes?
Date: 26 Aug 92 04:42:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.37249
Followup-To: soc.bi
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Aug22.003218.13062@thinkage.on.ca> atbowler@thinkage.on.ca (Alan Bowler) writes:
+
+Me, I went and bought on the other day.  I finally have a reference
+for those crossword puzzle clues "son of Jacob and Leah" etc.

Well, that narrows the field, since Jacob and Leah had 6 sons.
Rachel being 'baren' gave her handmaiden to Jacob, who bore 2 sons.
Then Leah, being jealous gave Jacob her handmaiden who also bore 2
sons. Eventually, Rachel bore 2 sons of her own. (Only one daughter
is mentioned, Dinah).

Well, there you have it, 'Traditional Family Values' as advertized
on TV. Boy, I really think that if Hollywood would take some of
those lurid stories of the bible, give them the full biblical
discription, they would be banned.

In one case Leah bartered with Rachel for sex with Jacob. In another
time, and this is the only real mention of Dinah, Dinah had sex with a
local lothario, who then offered to marry her. Jacob made the 'must
be circumsized' requirement, which was met. The man took the woman, but
her brothers attacked the town and killed every male there.

Gosh with 'Family Values' like that it's no wonder the Christians have
had a hard sell on their high moral background. Well, the god did indicate
that that kind of behavior was a little out of order, but not enough
to have Jacob recind the name Israel.
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: fwi@cco.caltech.edu (Bill Irion)
Subject: Re: OUT!
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 07:56:27 GMT

cjohnson@zeus.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber) writes:

[demuffining]

>Hi cutie!  <mussing that lovely hair> [...]

*blush*
*mussed hair*

>[...] Found any non-geeks at CalTech 
>yet?  (yes, i know there _are_ non-geeks there, it's just that upon our 
>last conversation, Bill hadn't been able to locate any.)

*gasp*  Did I say that ?!?!  Oh, the things my alcohol-addled brain will
come up with.  Around here, I've got my requisition of geekiositude like
everyone else.  I must have been joking, but what does that matter now that
I've lost half my friends here and my name is mud?  *sigh*  I can see it
happening.  Oh, it'll be subtle at first.  People will stop lending
me their slide rules.  The ice cream truck won't stop at my door anymore.
Then big, burly men wearing lab smocks and pocket protectors drag me away
in the middle of the night.  "No! Please!" I scream.  "I'll do anything!
I'll T.A. Advanced Quantum Mechanics for Computer Scientists!  I'll take
History of Polyester 101!"  All to no avail.  My penalty is to do a post-doc
at the University of Burwash, Wyoming.

Seriously, this place isn't bad.  In fact, I'd rather be here than anywhere
else.  And it is NOT true that the school colors are plaid.  But I'll get
you for this Coe! *snuggle*

--
Bill Irion    fwi@cco.caltech.edu
"I'm not a geek, but I play one on soc.bi."
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: another unsubtle coming-out idea
From: pwiebe@ecst.csuchico.edu (s mandell)
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 17:34:25 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico

In article <1992Sep1.150951.19367@sci.kun.nl> Olaf the wild writes:
>Or what about calling collect from abroad to your student union, to
>tell them that you can't attend tonight's meeting because you got
>delayed half a day (stupid bank holidays - why just this weekend???)
>coming back from the 10th National Bisexual Conference, where you
>actually had no business of being because you're not British...

But what about the next conference, it's International, so it won't
work.

Steph (whose kicking herself for not going last year when it was in
A'dam)


Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: janhen@sci.kun.nl (Olaf)
Subject: Re: another unsubtle coming-out idea
Organization: Intravenous News Addicts
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:27:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep01.173148.5825@ecst.csuchico.edu> pwiebe@ecst.csuchico.edu (s mandell) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.150951.19367@sci.kun.nl> Olaf the wild writes:
>>[...]
>>coming back from the 10th National Bisexual Conference, where you
>>actually had no business of being because you're not British...
>
>But what about the next conference, it's International, so it won't
>work.

Right. Except that it's only 2 days and crossing the Channel for a 3rd
time in one year just might be a little too much. On the other hand,
some nice and interesting (in the meaning as attached to the Norwich
conference, of course) ideas to do things afterwards with people in or
near London just might convince me.

>Steph (whose kicking herself for not going last year when it was in
>A'dam)

Several people asked me if I was there, and I regretfully had to tell
them that I wasn't, because I didn't know it was on. It was only later
that I realised that I probably didn't know about it because I wasn't
even out to myself around that time...

--
___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert      B4f+-t-w--g+k+(+)svmrp+  janhen@sci.kun.nl
\X/   It'sneveragoodideatoarriveinthepastwithyourpantsaroundyourknees -Sam
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Subject: Re: The War Between Us (Long)
Keywords: *DeFlower* ME will you...
Organization: Ministry of Skritching
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 21:35:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.203039.183587@zeus.calpoly.edu> cjohnson@zeus.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber) writes:
[a bunch of stuff about trains]
|
|Eeeeek, don't call me a trainspotter now!

   No, when you start being able to tell the difference between the two
types of BART cab-cars, *then we'll start calling you a trainspotter. Give
it time ;-)
                __
  david parsons \/ "Part gay, part straight, all trainspotter"
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: Appreciate Me Now and Avoid the Rush!
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 00:53:30 GMT

 cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:

>[Ellen writes]
>>Then there's always:
>>The 'someone-please-remind-me-of-what-country-I'm-in-so-I-know-what-to-
>>call-that-item-across-the-room-without-folks-laughing-at-me' syndrome.

Yup. We spend a lot of talk time defining stuff, still. & I'll probably never
understand the U.S. school system, or the political hierarchies, but I've
already had people on MUCKs not believe I'm not an American because I catch
phrases like "Y'all" & use them.

>Tell me about it, I still have a really hard time when ordering vegetables
>in the US, all the @*&^%#* names are different - after day one, I realised
>that Zuccini was in fact Courgette (and not, as I had previously imagined,
>some italian sausage), Eggplant was in fact Aubergine. 

Isn't this Zucchini? I've got the entry from Zohar's Dictionary of Dreams
about zucchini in my .plan on curia (finger tweaver@curia.ucc.ie). I thought
it was fun: I'm unlikely to dream of zucchini - unless I've caught American
cultural contamination badly enough to dream your vegetable names...

[comment about dreaming of long green vegetables given innocuous phrasing]

>And while we're on the subject, shall I pop over and pick up that bumper
>pack of Oreos? :-) In my current state of mind all I really want to do is
>sit in front of TV, with a glass of milk and make like a couch potato -
>and it would be so much nicer with a box of Oreos! Calvin and Hobbes style.

We've got Pop Tarts now. The Co-Op seems to sell them in the breakfast cereal
section, since they're made by Kellogg's. Why couldn't we have Baby Ruth bars
instead? 

Tanaqui (No toaster, no grill, no pop tarts)
From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Norwich
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:19:11 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <memo.602067@cix.compulink.co.uk> cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk
(Clive Grace) writes:

>I'll try and put my thoughts together on this one, there was simply just
>too much information to deal with in one go... all those workshops (heck,
>some of them were so good we did our own discussion groups), I put more
>names to netters and non netters faces... met the delightful Owen, who is
>not at all what I expected... Tee Hee, cute freckles those Owen...

If this sort of thing carries on much longer I'll start having an identity
crisis :-). But it is very easy to get completely the wrong idea about net
people. I was very surprised when I met Kay in person. Reading some of his
posts now I'm back, I just can't imagine them being Kay. On the net he's far
too intellectual; in real life he's a playful tart :-).

>Kay and
>Justin, Olaf (doing his best to not look like Jesus with his "Too Cute
>to be Gay..." Tee Shirt,

Olaf does indeed look like a classic cinema depiction of Jesus. (His 
English is extremely good - well done Olaf.)

>Dave Berry's "Trilogy" of tee shirts for the
>conference [wicked grin, well, it ended up as a bi-logy], Colin Dente
>looking more like a puppy or a bear cub every day (he's so strokable when
>he's tired), then there was the aforementioned Bill with his flugel-valve
>sexual orientation chart (no, don't ask....),

Hey, if you're going to quote things get it right! Us brass players have our
reputation to defend you know :-) I think it's the "Flugel Horn with the
Sexual Orientation Valve". I asked Bill if that was a bit like an Echo
Cornet, but he said that sounded far too complicated.

>Wow! The coffee's brewed, I must get some in me and then start writing
>this stuff up, but in the mean time, here are a few quotes: 
>
>"Oh dear me... people with furry animals" - Olaf
>(upon seeing Kay putting his hand up the behind of a furry friend)

Hey, that wasn't just any furry animal you know. In the words of Kay:
"Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's Furry Dyke!". Furry Dyke developed
Nipple Vampire tendencies at some time over the weekend too.

>I'm not desparate, but I *need* to get on a terminal *now* - Kay Dekker
>(Kay doing a very good job of looking like a techno-junkie)

Was he wearing the thermochromic shorts when he said this? :-)


Hmm. You're all going to accuse me of having the kind of mind that remembers
all sorts of entirely inconsequential but amusing little facts. And you'll
all be right. I'm a mine of useless information.

Owen.
From: li40163@prism.gatech.EDU (Mary A. Axford)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Birthday Greetings
Keywords: Flynn
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:53:38 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


	Celebration is in order.  Our famed and beloved Official
Muffin Taster (Peter Flynn) is having a birthday on Saturday
September 5th.

	Hip, hip, Hooray!!



	HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


	Hope its a happy one.

-- 
Mary A. Axford
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332-0900
Internet: li40163@prism.gatech.edu
Man is born to live, not to prepare for life. -- B. Pasternak
From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Who am I anyway?
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:47:15 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <1992Aug26.000635.18848@cbnews.cb.att.com> eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans) writes:

>I do _so_ understand how you feel.  I went from a CRX Si (Honda) to 
>a Dodge Colt, which had compression problems and just died completely.
>I looked at a Mitsubishi Starion (1989) last night--and _drooled_.
>She went around corners on rails.

That's funny - I think of my Renault 5 GT Turbo as female too. I know
ships are often referred to as she, but I don't really know about cars.

>I think I would like to see you as a woman--picture, maybe?

Hmm. Wait until I pass better I think. Maybe when we get the picture
archive going I'll post male and female pictures. Eventually.

>This is one of the 
>concepts I've had difficulty explaining to certain of my ex's--that
>I can be and frequently want to be a woman in dress-downs.  Not that
>I'm not a woman anyway, it's a sexiness perception.

Oh I don't know, when a woman bends over in jeans her backside looks
pretty damn sexy to me. (Depends on the woman of course.)

>We've been known to call it a dinner jacket.  A real tie, of course,
>not one of those wimpy pre-ties.

Hey - who do you think I am? :-) I always use real ones. Buying them is
tricky though. I have a black silk bow tie and a white cotton one. I wanted
white silk instead but couldn't get it. Cotton is actually a lot harder to
tie. At least they're the right length for my neck rather than the generic
ones with length adjustment. The uniform of the brass band I play in uses
pre-ties. I've been trying to find a real one in the right shade of blue but
they don't exist it seems.

>Have you seen 9&1/2 Weeks?  Kim Basinger pretending to be a man,
>in black tie.  (It was black tie, wasn't it?  It's been a while...)
>Awesome and awe-inspiring.

The thought of Kim Basinger in black tie just made me go weak at the
knees. This I have to see. I'll rent it on video.

Owen.
                                     /
      +--+          +--+         +--/
 Male |  |   Female |  |   Other |\/|
      +--+          +--+         +--+
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mhk@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mark Kaepplein x1517)
Subject: Re: Sexual Harassment (was Re: Michigan Wom*n's Music Festival)
Reply-To: mhk@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mark Kaepplein x1517)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 04:41:16 GMT

> h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair) writes:
> 
> >This has been an interesting spin-off of my original Music Festival post.
> >Being at the music festival made me wonder just what is the difference in
> >the way that men look at people and women look at them.  I was certainly
> >looking around, and sensed myself being looked at.  But none of it felt
> >yucky or threatening.  What makes the difference?
> 

I'm glad my post generated all this volume AND the thread came to this.
I hope overt harrasment of women is infrequent, but what happens every
day to them is (in my mind) like living in a cruse bar and feeling that
all eyes are upon you and checking you out. I find it flattering once in
a while, but if I was feeling bad and looking worse, it'd be the last
thing I'd want.

I think women are less intense and less agressive checking each other
out; more discreet, less invasive. Men are trained by society to be
the sexual aggressor and pursuer, and many live in cruse mode, even
if unconscously. There's been plenty of times when I've been daydreaming
and found myself fixated on some woman, though not particularly lustfully.

Mark

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: elf@halcyon.com (Omaha Sternberg)
Subject: Re: the "oh" experience
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Reply-To: omaha@eisley.wa.com (Elf Sternberg)
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 23:37:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.113329.49545@ccvax.ucd.ie>
      pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler) writes:
>In article <1992Aug24.135150.13653@nwnexus.WA.COM>,
>      elf@halcyon.com (Omaha Sternberg) writes:

>> which I get sexually arroused is `sex' to me. And these wrestling matches
>> get me HOT! Oh, and by the way, YOU broke the first bed, remember. You
>> flopped down and then we heard that wonderful `crack' sound. Hmmpf! Try to
>
>Hey, do I detect competition in the bed-breaking stakes?
>
>///Peter
>

   (Omaha ruffles her fur) Well! I never! (Giggle) I have no desire to break
the next bed, but Elf told me that he liked it, because he could brag to
everybody that we have such rambunctious sex that we break beds. I, of
course, would NEVER stoop to such depths to prove our sexual capabilities. I
prefer to cry out loud enough for the neighbors to hear me during sex. :)

-- 
Elf Sternberg    __   |     I have looked into the abyss, and the abyss
elf@halcyon.com  \/   | has looked into me.  Neither liked what we saw.
elf@polari.online.com |                              - Brother Theodore
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Saturday, 29 Aug 1992 09:25:27 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: another unsubtle coming-out idea

yes, i wouldn't dare wear that, for fear of someone thinking that
i was a child molester.  my housemate already had to correct
someone in the BBS community here for saying that i was "into
little girls."  i'm totally out on all the local bulletin boards,
and dont' hesitate to mention lesbianism or bisexuality whenever
it seems appropriate, but i never expected it to mutate into THAT!

                                   -ailsa
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Assorted ramblings (long)
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:23:15 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>Then too, Peg is still mostly off-line and some of the notorious flirts
>seem to be gone for the summer. (While others -- our world travelers --
>our busy with each other.)  I admit I haven't done my share of flirtation
>and light fluffy conversation -- can I make it up to you all somehow ? ;)

Do I fit into "others" or "notorious flirts" here?  I don't think I
could exactly call myself a world traveller, but I am at any rate now
back from the US, so I guess it's time for

ObFlirt
-------
*Hug*, *snuggle* and a monstrous big *flirt* to you all out there!  To
be dealt in person to those lucky enough to be at Norwich this weekend
for UK BiCon.

Sara
-- 
 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<                \/\/ The Swamp
From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Disturbed
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:36:14 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <1992Aug31.162741.23475@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:

>Certainly the State in Britain is quite keen to stop people killing themselves.
>I forget if suicide is still illegal (i.e. the will becomes invalid and the
>person cannot be buried in consecrated ground - Church and State stuff; they
>don't actually prosecute corpses), but euthanasia apologists still haven't
>succeeded in their attempts to enable a sharp EXIT.

Suicide is legal in the UK. Helping someone do it is not. This reminds me of
my mum talking to me about old age. She told me that if she ever became a
cabbage case, I was to put her wheelchair near the edge of a cliff and she'd
manage the last foot or two herself somehow. Knowing my mum, I'm sure she'd
manage it even if she was paralysed from the neck down. The trouble is, I
love her so much I'm not sure I could do it. I'd have to talk myself round
to the viewpoint that I owed it to her to do it BECAUSE I love her.

My mum seems to have though about these things. For instances, once
her organs have been donated she wants whatever's left to be cremated
and the ashes scattered. She is insistent that there must be nowhere that
anyone can go and visit claiming to be visiting her, since a) she won't
be there and b) she saw her grandma visit her three husbands' graves
every weekend and it saddened her.

By contrast the only thinking my dad has done about this is that he
doesn't carry a donor card because he thinks it means they'll pull the
plug on you sooner. I think he's very wrong.

Owen.
Newsgroups: soc.bi,talk.bizarre
From: elee74l@Rosie.UH.EDU
Subject: Re: NightTalk
Reply-To: elee74l@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 05:08:24 GMT

In article <7338@skye.ed.ac.uk>, ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Ken Johnson) writes:
>#  Bare with me, this might get a little long
>
>
>Of course I will...  and it's supposed to get long...  you may put it in
>here if you like.
>
>-- Ken "unfortunately, he probably meant `bear with me'" Johnson

Ohhhhhh.... poor soul.  First he's confused, then you tease him even
more, getting him more confused.

Shame on you!!!  I guess I need to get my whip out of the closet and 
punish some net juvenile delinquents, needn't I?  c(-8


--From Ken N. to Ken J.