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From:         "Michael J." <JASPER@HELIX.MGH.HARVARD.EDU>
Subject:      Re: OS/2
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Well, I must be crazy to contradict Paul Bodin on the subject of OS/2,
but my experience so far, using NB 4.0 without Lingua under OS/2, is that
if I load it with the /B switch,  it doesn't load the NB font (including
italics, subscripts,etc.). I also find that using the OS/2 8514/A video
drivers, NB's command to reload fonts causes the screen to be totally
corrupted. Finally, I find that if I have OS/2 start up NB automatically
by putting it in the startup folder, I get a blank screen, although
starting "manually" works fine. Beats me. Just some things to be aware of.....

Despite all this, it still beats Desqview cold.

Michael Jasper
Jasper@helix.mgh.harvard.edu
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From:         Aaron Schart <SCHARTA@YALEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Who gives me more information about NB ?
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              22 Jan 93 10:14:02 SET from <UETX01@UNIDOZR.HRZ.UNI-DORTMUND.DE>

To Peter Resch in Dortmund/Germany

Ich benutze NotaBene schon seit einigen Jahren. Ich benutze es deshalb, weil
ich vokalisiertes biblisches Hebraeisch schreiben musz. Und bisher fuer diese
Zwecke noch kein besseres Programm gefunden habe.
   Um welche speziellen Informatinen geht es?

                            Aaron Schart
                            SCHARTA@YALEVM
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From:         "J-P Takala, University of Helsinki,
              Sociology" <JTAKALA@FINUHA.BITNET>
Subject:      adding to ibid. from temporary files
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Jonathan Barker wrote:
    > Just copy the *.dat file in your special database into the
    > master database under the name NBBIB.DAT and update.  I
    > think I also have removed the ID numbers,  but I am not
    > sure that is necessary.

    It IS necessary that the new items do not to have similar ID
    numbers  (R#:NNNN) as have old items that you want to save.
    Otherwise the new R#:3333 AU:Smith etc will replace the old
    R#:3333 AU:Jones in your bibliographies, at least when generated
    with the help of Extract and a file which contains an X6 delta
    that has <tab>3333 as its last element.  The next clean-up
    ("Maintain/rewrite data files...") will also physically delete all
    but the last item bearing this number.   I've seen both things
    happen.

    I now 'manually' start such separate nbbib.dat files with an
    unused R#: number (and merge them with the master files before the
    number range is used, hopefully).  Didn't think of deleting those
    numbers, but that might be a more flexible solution for many
    cases. Thanks!

    J-P Takala
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From:         "Ada_W.Finifter" <FINIFTER@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: NBI Technical Support
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Dorothy, thanks for the advice about XYWrite IV.  I do not have high blood
pressure about the lack of support from NBI.  On the contrary, after ten years
of dealing with them if I have any physical reaction, it is better
characterized as weariness.  I also have my doubts about how long the
Technology Group will be supporting two programs with similar functionality.
From what members of the forum have reported about press reports I wonder if
Technology Group bought out NBI precisely so they could adopt their code for
XYWrite.
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From:         Paul Caron <g9026163@MCMAIL.CIS.MCMASTER.CA>
Subject:      Re: strange
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On Wed, 27 Jan 1993, Paul J. Bodin wrote:

> For Austin Kerr:
>
> [...]
>
>     2) Some versions of DR DOS 6.0 are not compatible with Windows 3.1 and
>        can cause this kind of corruption.  There is a patch to repair the
>        problem available directly from Digital Research at no cost.
>
> [...]
> ___________________________________________________________________________
> Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
> Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
> (718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220

Actually, you shouldn't be able to run Windows at all without the DR DOS
6.0 update disk from Novell.  If your command.com is dated 4/07/92, then
you don't have to worry.  If it isn't, the patch is available by anonymous
ftp from SIMTEL20.  To check whether that A file is actually password
protected, go into the subdirectory and type

        password <filename.ext>

If it isn't protected, you'll see

        --- filename.ext

If it is protected, you'll see letters instead of dashes.  See your manual
(p. 285) for details.  You may have to place a call to DR DOS if it is
protected and you want to get rid of it, since the lowest form of protection,

        --d

prevents an unauthorized user from deleting the file.

Paul Caron                              G9026163@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca
McMaster University
Hamilton, Ont.
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From:         Robert D Hoberman <RHOBERMAN@CCMAIL.SUNYSB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Multi-lingual scholar
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               State University of New York at Stony Brook
                       Stony Brook, NY 11794-3355

                                            Robert Hoberman
                                            Comparative Studies Dept.
                                            516-632-7462, -7460
                                            25-Jan-1993 10:52am EST
FROM:  RHOBERMAN
TO:    STRAUSS%UNCA.EDU@VM.TAU.AC.IL        ( _NOTABENE@VM.TAU.AC.IL )

SUBJECT: RE: Multi-lingual scholar

I've never used MLS, but yesterday I received a brochure from Gamma
Productions in Santa Monica, CA.  Multi-Lingual Scholar 4.1a is a special
version that includes only two alphabets: "all the Roman based European
languages, plus [the purchaser's choice of] one non-Roman alphabet"--the chlice
includes Arabic/Persian, Burmese, Georgian, Gujaratic, IPA, Korean, Malayalam,
Cyrillic, and many others.  If ordered before Feb. 15 it is $149.95, after that
date $249.95.  They claim the following features, among others:  Edit up to 8
docs. simultaneously, "2 alphabets with unlimited fonts in any file", spell
checking for Englihs and "most Western European languages", and "spell check
multi-language files in one pass", "style sheets simplify formatting of
documents", bitmap font scaling on the fly.

MLS 4.1 Professional ($695) offers in addition Font Scholar for editing fonts,
utility for editing keyboard map files, CTIU for importking and exporting
multi-lg. or non-ASCII files.  Also, it seems that a few alphabets available
with Professional aren't available with 4.1a: Amharic, Coptic, Hieroglyphic,
Phoenician, Syriac, Sanscrit (though Hindi is avail. in 4.1a), Ugaritic.

Personally, I could do without lots of what I think of as technical
capabilities, but would love to have IPA and Arabic in NB.  And they could add
these, so easily!!  What are they waiting for?

Bob Hoberman
rhoberman@sbccmail.bitnet
rhoberman@ccmail.sunysb.edu

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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 93 10:06:00 GMT
From:         JAE2@VAXB.YORK.AC.UK
Subject:      thanks again (ibid) and warning
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I owe the solution of my ibid problem to Mervyn, sort of... .  (I now have
search across all fields, etc etc.)  I was checking the dates at his
suggestion when I decided to reinstall one more time but from a never
used master disk; then checked the first set of files: an exe file -
sort, I think - corrupt.
So anyone else with this problem should get Norton Utilities, PcTools,
whatever
Judy Evans
York
England

(Mervyn, sorry for the lack of a personal reply. Have had an eye op & the
less work, the better!  It is by the way revolting here now, v. cold,
part of my roof blew off in the gales... .)
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 93 10:44:07 EST
From:         Dorothy Day <DAY@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: DEFAULT.SET? (Was: Re: Unchangeable minimum page length)

>I think, Mervyn, that the "pace" has to do with the fact NB 4.0 does
>not *have* a DEFAULT.SET file! (If yours does, well . . . .) NB 4.0
>has two SET files: NBCUSTOM.SET, and NBFORMAT.SET. I can't recall if
>Peter said he was working with 3.0/3.1 (if so, forgive me!). Sometimes
>the pace is just too much....

>David.
--
>David J. Reimer, Religion & Culture                  Fax: (519) 886-9351
>Wilfrid Laurier University                   Phone: (519) 884-1970 x2680
>Waterloo, ON, Canada N2L 3C5             Internet: dreimer4@mach1.wlu.ca

Most of the settings that are relevant are in NBCUSTOM.SET,
(Unannotated Version). See the NB4DEF file that has been distributed
over this list (and perhaps included in one of the ZIPs at TAUNIVM and
Simtel mirror sites).

The difference between NB3 and NB4 may actually be in how PL is
calculated in relation to Form Depth. See the NB3 manual for the
convoluted calculations which EXCLUDE the Bottom Margin (but not the
Top Margin) in calculating the number of lines you'll manage with
variable PL. The online help diagrams for Page Layout give some
visual guidelines in each version. NB4's QRG pp 82-83 gives some
further help.

And then, yes, Hewlett Packard LJ's do have minds of their own about
how close to the edges of the paper (all sides) they will print. Trial
and error, and then write down what works! You DON'T want to have to
go through this again next time.

Dorothy Day, Indiana University
Bitnet: DAY@IUBACS
Internet: day@ucs.indiana.edu
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From:         Tom Cravens <CRAVENS@MACC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: IBID problem with SELECT
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I have exactly the same problem with SELECTing across all fields: nothing
found. If anyone has a solution, please post it for all.

Tom Cravens
cravens@wiscmacc.bitnet
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 93 16:36:00 EST
From:         "Ada_W.Finifter" <FINIFTER@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: NBI Technical Support
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Bob, thanks for the phone number.
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From:         Tom Schlesinger <tos@OZ.PLYMOUTH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NB4.0 and Windows 3.1 -- AND OS/2 !!!
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>
>
> I have just upgraded to NB4.0, which I am trying to run under Windows 3.1
> Nota Bene ran fine at first, but when I set the symbol set to "ASCII and
> italics" the screen goes blank when I run it from Windows, though it's
> still fine when I run NB from DOS.  I deeply suspect there is something
> I should do to a .PIF file.  Any suggestions?
>
> Peter Just
> Anthropology, Williams College
>
     Exactly the same happens in OS/2, without Windows.  I learned, however,
that that "blank screen" is actually NB still running with loused up video.
So, when I was fooling with it to see if I could fix it, I learned I didn't
have to do a cold reboot... with that "blank screen" if I hit the NB-crash
exit, i.e. CTRL+ALT+SFT+ESC, and then "Y" -- I get out to DOS without resetting
the machine.

     But I haven't been able to figure out how to get past the basic problem...
I've settled for just "vanilla" ASCII again.  I'd also like to hear from
anyone, besides Paul Bodin (TO WHOM i OWE ENORMOUS THANKS FOR LOTS OF HELP WITH
OS/2 ALREADY) who has tried running NB (whatever version) from OS/2, -- and
though not exactly relevant to this list, anyone who has installed an NEC
CD-ROM driver in OS/2 successfully.  (I've obtained a driver, though perhaps
not exactly the right one, by ftp -- why does that always remind me of sending
flowers by wire).

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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 93 23:36:34 -0500
From:         haynese@ACAD.WINTHROP.EDU
Subject:      Multi-Lingual Scholar
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I, like the pervious note-sumbmitter, received the MLS brochure.  Based on
several years on on-and-off (and w/ problems w/ NB, increasingly "on"!)
use of MLS, I'd personally rtecommend a good close look at the more proicey
"Professional" (aren't we all?!) version.  No, I don't work for the MLS
folks or get anything from them!  Think about it, look at it, if you need
true multi-lingual word processing.
   Why hasn';t NB done this?  Frankly (and all of us respect and like the
parents of NB, as far back as the Green Box), I don't think those who did
ML (oops!) NB needed or wanted or valued what they saw as "exotica."  Once
languages for Biblical word (Greek & Hebrew) were theere, and Cyrillic was
added (as "fluff"?), then they felt they were "done".  Other scripts have
been promised, unpromised, talked about, "excused about," but nothing has
been done.  And the rest of us have ha dto look elsewhere.  MLS is a place to
look.
From: RMB@CUNYVMS1.BITNET (Robert Braham)
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Subject: Re: saving ibid items
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:18:19 GMT
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>I believe in backups with
>passion; I wear a belt and braces, and would push a skewer through my
>navel if I could......

>Do others agree with this advice?

 [ascii landscape deleted]

> Mervyn E. Bennun, Law Department, University of Exeter

I don't.
If I understand you correctly, you wear your pants so high
up to navel level?  Not necessary, and looks very fashionless.
Thumb tacks, or even rubber cement would do the trick. Or velcro.

BTW, the "how to work with home/office Ibids" discussion raged
on the list a few months ago.  If you do a database query on the
logs they'll turn up.

BTW+, thanks for "Select" help.  I mentioned this to Seibert
2 months ago, and he said "he'd look into it."

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From:         Luuk Houwen <houwen@FREYA.LET.RUG.NL>
Subject:      Re: scholarly authors as compositors
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              Jan27, 93 05:08:00 pm

I have not followed this debate but when it comes to converting NB files to WP
that should be quite easy. Make sure the file has been written in NB3 and then
load it in WP for Windowsw using the XyWrite filter. The end result will be a
file in WP 5.1 which will need little or possibly no editing at all.

Luuk Houwen
--

___________________________________________________________________
L.A.J.R. Houwen

Department of English,                  Tel: 31-50-635852
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From:         STRAUSS@UNCA.EDU
Subject:      Re: Want ad: NB Icon
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I use a very nice Quill pen and paper. It's either in moricons.dll
(in Windows) or one I got from Indiana (CICA). I can send it if you
can't find it.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++           Bob Strauss              Head of Cataloging       ++
++         Ramsey Library             & Asst. Tech. Svcs. Libn.++
++          UNC-Asheville             Strauss@uncavx.unca.edu  ++
++       Asheville, NC 28804          Strauss@UNCA.BITNET      ++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 93 14:11:10 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar,
              Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM.BITNET>
Subject:      NB4HLP01.ZIP
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I have uploaded a new version of NB4HLP01.ZIP in view of the
fact that 2 new files in that archive could be extracted only
by the new version of PKZIP  (204c). I am sorry for this mistake.
The new version is zipped with version 1.1. throughout.

Itamar Even-Zohar

PS. The new PKZIP version is excellent; it can use XMS, and
is fast as lightning. It can be downloaded from simtel20.
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From:         Rob Rittenhouse <RITTENHO@FAUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: NBI Technical Support
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    The number for The Technology Group in Infoworld is (410) 576-2040

Rob Rittenhouse
Internet: RITTENHO@ACC.FAU.EDU
Bitnet:   RITTENHO@FAUVAX
 (305) 355-5218
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From:         don spinelli <DSPINEL@WAYNEST1.BITNET>
Subject:      converting NB files to Microsoft word for the Mac
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I am new subscriber to NB so please excuse me if this problem has been dealt
with in the past.  I must also say that my computer knowledge is based on
wordprocessing only using NB so I anybody can be of help, I am hoping it will
not have to get too technical. In a moment of anger at NB, I decided to
chuck the whole thing and switch to a Mac for a long project.  The publisher
requires camera-ready copy and I just decided the Mac would be a better tool fo
for that rather than my PC.  Here is my problem: I have some 500 pages in three
large files written in French.  I would like to convert these to microsoft
word for the mac.  My directions for the Apple Exchanger tell me to convert
the NB files to DCA and then using the Apple Exchanger convert those to DCA-RFT
which I can then convert to Microsoft Word for the Mac. I have had success on
only one small file of about three pages.  The other big ones blow up between
the NB-DCA and the end of the DCA-RFT conversion process.  A bomb literally
comes on the screen and says after about 90% conversion that I have fallen
into a heap. The people in my computer center are unable to help since not
one uses NB, and they all maintain the problem is with the NB-DCA files.
Any help to resolve this problem would be greatly appreciated.  I'm not sure
this is a problem for the open forum but it makes no difference if anybody
wants to discuss it there.My e-mail address is Dspinel@waynest1.edu.
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From:         Tom Schlesinger <tos@OZ.PLYMOUTH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: scholarly authors as compositors
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> with no problems.  They don't even have to go through a translator.  I am the
> only one whose contribution has been produced in a non WP package and I am
> having it retyped in WP by a secretary in my dept. to avoid translation prob-
> lems - truly ridiculous since I am the editor but it turned out I was the odd
> person out in terms of word processors.
>
    I would hope that the word "retyped" above is not to be taken literally.
The EXPORT into ASCII feature in NB 4.0 works quite well, and WP has no problem
importing ASCII.  Therefore the dept secretary should be just going through
already typed copy and reformatting it properly.
From: jbarker@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA (J. Barker)
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Subject: Ibid select & copy
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:35:53 GMT
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Using Ibid Plus and NB4, I found that Select would not work across all
fields until I saved the *.dat files I had copied from NB3.1 in NB4.
The import function for *.dat files in the NB4 menu system did not
write the new files, it just changed the old *.dat files to *.bak
files.  But once I Saved or Stored the old *.dat files within NB4,
Select worked as it should.

If more than one person is adding to a bibliography, one solution is
to create a special database under Ibid Plus for each contributor.
Then the new additions of each contributor can be added to a master
database which is then copied back to each contributor's machine.  The
same method will work for adding items you record in a notebook
computer to the master file in your desktop.  Just copy the *.dat file
in your special database into the master database under the name
NBBIB.DAT and update.  I think I also have removed the ID numbers, but
I am not sure that is necessary.

Jonathan Barker
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Subject:      Re: Want ad: NB Icon
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On Wed, 27 Jan 1993, Gerald W. Schlabach wrote:

> Now that I've just gone public about running NB under Windows 3.1, still
> a bit tentatively but not just experimentally, I can ask whether anyone
> out there has a nice-looking icon for NB?  Paul Bodin posted one for OS2
> recently, but if there is a way to bring it over onto Windows, I don't
> know it.  Richard Betts mentioned that he had a rough one six months ago,
> but he doesn't seem to have the same E-Mail address anymore (Richard are you
> there?)  My preference would be for a mini-version of the red-on-black
> opener on NB 3.0 and 3.1.  Anyone?
>
> Gerald W. Schlabach           |     Item bellum nullum argumentum est
> Theology  U. of Notre Dame   |     pro veritate fidei Christianae.
> Schlabach.1@nd.edu            |          --Francisco de Vitoria, 1539

If you can wait a day or two, I've been meaning to write (draw?) one of my
own, and I'd be more than happy to send it.  I haven't got NB 3.x, so I'm
not sure what you're looking for, but I am planning on reproducing the
cover of the Quick Reference Guide I got with 4.0--black background, dark
gray NB, red stripe down the right-hand side, and, _maybe_, a vertical Nota
Bene in white along the red stripe if I can swing it.

Paul Caron                              G9026163@mcmail.cis.McMaster.CA
McMaster University
Hamilton, Ont.
CANADA
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