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From: monson@coho.ECE.ORST.EDU (Tyrus Monson)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Wooden fields as mantle pieces?
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:22:06 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Oregon State University, Corvallis

In article <DENNY.92Jul30161531@helium.tss.com> denny@tss.com (Denny Page) writes:
>Hmm...  I was in a camera store today (Bear Images in PA if anyone
>is familiar) and briefly discussed my intended purchase of a Wisner
>TF with the (owner?).
>
>The man seemed almost alarmed that I was considering the purchase of a
>*wooden* camera.  He claimed that people who owned wooden cameras used
>them mostly as mantle pieces, rather than for shooting.  He seemed
>particularly fond of the word "warp" and its derivatives.
>
>He also told me a "true" customer story, which goes like this:
>  Customer1 buys a wooden camera (presumably from somewhere else,
>  because this guy would not have sold him one).
>  Customer1 decides the wooden camera is worthless, and buys a metal
>  one (from this store).
>  Weeks/months later on, while Customer1 is in the store, a second
>  customer asks if the store carries wooden cameras (which of course
>  they do not).  Overhearing Customer2's inquiry about wooden cameras,
>  Customer1 proceeds to "unload" his wooden camera (a Wisner BTW) on
>  Customer2.  (The guy expressed real distaste about Customer1 doing
>  this to Customer2, and further having it happen in his store).
>  "The next week", Customer2 has also decided that wood cameras are
>  worthless, and is back in the store to purchase a metal one.
>  Etc.
>Comments?
>
>Denny

    The story may be true, but it hardly serves as a basis for
    concluding that wood cameras are worthless. They have been
    used successfully for many years. I personally use a Wista,
    which I purchased used (i.e. I don't know how old it is.)
    I notice no warpage, it works smoothly, and I like it.
    - Yes, it really does get used out of doors.
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From: goldis@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Al Goldis)
Subject: Re: Kodak Q-Labs (Was Re: Quality of "E-6" Hobby Pac and Fuji RD.)
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:29:39 GMT

In <198@metran.UUCP> jay@metran.UUCP (Jay Ts) writes:
>This reminds me to mention that I was talking with a guy at Fuji Tech Support,
>and he told me that some of the "followers", namely Unicolor, are not
>compatible with Fuji films.  At least he said that Unicolor chemistry does
>not work right with Velvia.  I am wondering if anyone on the net has
>experienced problems processing Velvia in Unicolor "E-6" chemistry?

No problems with Velvia or other Fuji films in particular; the
problems were with any film (Fuji or Kodak) in Unicolor chemistry.
This was the "Rapid E-6" chemistry.  Maybe the regular Unicolor E-6
stuff is okay, but the Rapid kit was a nightmare.

It sounded attractive at the time--fewer solutions, considerably less
processing time--so we gave it a try.  It was great to use but the
results were a disaster.  The chemistry seemed totally out of control.
You never knew what density your film would have or what color cast
you would get.  Also, once mixed, the stuff just wouldn't keep.

So we went through two kits (ordered at separate times) then abondoned
it and went screaming in horror back to Kodak.
--
Al Goldis         goldis@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu
"Pictures are moments truth, touched by light, that show character."
                          --Annie Griffiths-Belt
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From: mfolivo@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Mark Newton-John)
Subject: Contax T2
Keywords: Superb
Organization: Sacramento Public Access Unix
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 07:37:46 GMT

You can not get a better camera than the T2 in it's
price/performance range. I swear, the Zeiss Sonnar lens is
extremely sharp, and the build quality is spectacular.

Titanium body, ceramic pressure plate, sapphire shutter release and
viewfinder windows, flocked insides... Better than the Leica Mini,
but of course it does cost more.

Full auto with manual overides. Manual focus and aperture preferred
automation. The bloody thing even has a pre-flash. Exposure
compensation, so if you want to push film... Not bad.

The perfect companion to the Contax RTS III.

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From: rslugg@med.unc.edu (Robert Slugg)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: E-6 in Jobo
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:14:55 GMT
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine

CIBA recommends that one start with their filter pack, then adjust to
correct for the bulb.  From there, one simply adds or subtracts the
correction factor from the filter recommendations of each package of
paper.  The bulbs do change over time, so a slight color shift may appear,
especially if lots of B&W is done between CIBA sessions.  Do not use the
yellow speed easels as they will give a +40 yellow shift, which also
affects sharpness.  Use only black backed easels with CIBA.The best part
of CIBA and home E^ is that one develops better and more consistent
techniques, whereas the nearly foolproof nature of B&W allows sloppiness.

For those doing CIBA with CIBA tubes, I recommend the 11x14 drum.  This
allowed me to get a final print from one slide and a preliminary print
from the next slide with each run.  I would do the first preliminary print
in an 8x10 drum, then recycle 75mm of that chemistry with 75 fresh to do 2
8x10's in the 11x14 tube, and on and on.  For my last 8x10, I would use
the small drum and 40ml of fresh chemistry.  Two drums also makes drying
time more efficient, and one can mix 8x10 and 11x14 in one session.

Bob
From: jacobson@cello.hpl.hp.com (David Jacobson)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Any Nikon 8008 regrets (get the F4?)
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:46:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories

In article <1992Jul29.180447.19879@linus.mitre.org> val@mitre.org (Colin Valentine) writes:

>The F4s can matrix meter with a non-AF AIS lens, while I believe the 8008 
>will not (because it can't tell maximum lens apeture?).  
>
>Can someone confirm this?

Correct.  The 8008 will only Matrix Meter on lenses that have
computers to tell it the max aperture.  The F4 can read the max
aperture mechanically.  I'm not sure if the lens even has to be AIS,
probably just AI will do.  (Isn't AIS just AI plus ability for the
body to set the aperture?)

  -- David Jacobson
From: andyc@hplsla.hp.com (Andy Cassino)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:32:46 GMT
Subject: Re: Pentax 67 -- lenses w/shutters
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.photo

Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John) writes:
| 
| Has anyone found lenses for the Pentax 67 with
| integral shutter (and perhaps X synch?)
| 

Well, Pentax makes a couple of leaf shutter lenses and they can be found at a
good camera store or purchased mail order!

| BTW -- now making adaptors for 67 to attach
| good, flat-field enlarging lenses w bellows.
| any other market for these or am i reinventing
| the wheel?

Again, Pentax makes a bellows for the Pentax 6x7, and if it's like most other
bellows units, a variety of lenses can be attached to the front of the
bellows with some fussing about. (A knowledgeable dealer is invaluable for
figuring out the attachments).


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From: jay@intermec.com (Jay Schlegel x6878)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: olympus IS1, eats batteries or defect...?
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:48:09 GMT
Reply-To: jay@intermec.com (Jay Schlegel x6878)
Organization: Intermec Corporation, Everett WA

>
>On my Maxuum 7000i, I loaded the battery when I bought it in 90 Oct.
>It still is strong. I have taken about 3035 rools of 24 frames.


   I think we just found another definition for "pro".       :-)



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From: ka1gt@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (robert.m.atkins)
Subject: Re: Amateur vs. Pro (was Re: International Photographer)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:57:54 GMT

In article <xxhmg_b.hchong@netcom.com>, hchong@netcom.com (Hoi Chong) writes:
> From article <1992Jul24.041623.15860@PacBell.COM>, by jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria):
> > Your second point has validity insofar that a press pass is
> > required.  However, if it looks *official*, you can get by
> > most lines of security.  Case in point.  A friend of mine
> > sent something like $50 to an organization (IFPO?) and he
> > received a very official looking Membership Card.  He has
> > strapped his F4 & 8008 Nikons with his 300mm lens on one
> > body and a zoom on the other, monopod, photo vest and his
> > Membership Card pinned to his vest and has been able to
> > shoot with the *press* folks at the Oakland A's/San
> > Francisco Giants/49er's/concerts without anyone ever
> > stopping him. (I believe he pasted a passport photo on the
> > card and re-laminated it.)
> 
> So we need maybe a camera jacket, a 2nd camera, a 300/2.8 or any non-mirror
> lens with a big, big, front element, some official-looking badge with
> your photo.  Wonder if we can have a survey on how well it works?
> 
> p.s. F4s = $1500, 8008s = $700, 300/2.8 AF = $3000, and more.  After those
>      kind of money, they better let me in! 
>       

This is a generic flame - not really intended for any particular poster....

Do any of these "want-to-be pros" give any thought to the fact that they may
be interfering with the work of real pros - i.e. guys who are trying to make
a living, not just having fun? If I were a photographer who's livelyhood
depended on getting good shots I'd be very annoyed (to put it mildly) at these
guys getting under my feet. 


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Bob Atkins  AT&T Bell Labs  email (direct)  att!clockwise!rma
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From: sparks@col.hp.com (John Sparks)
Subject: Re: Novice 4x5 field gear questions
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:54:56 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

In article <Brw6y3.89w@world.std.com> dp@world.std.com (Jeff DelPapa) writes:
>...
>good luck, and tell us how things work out. I am particularly interested
>in any system you work out for packing gear... (I currently use the zone vi
>bag grafted onto an old pack frame, and don't really care for it - 
>I have not been able to really securely mount it, and it popped off once. 
>It also deprives me of a means to carry anything else (I had to remove 
>the regular bag) All suggestions welcome...)

I went to a backpacking store and got the most comfortable internal
frame pack that was big enough to hold everything (but not so big that
everything has room to move around).  It's a Gregory something or other.
There are little pockets at the bottem and straps on the sides made to
hold skis.  The tripod tips go in a pocket and the straps hold it in
place.  The film holders are in a large Calumet wrap in the bottem
compartment.  The lenses in a rubbermaid container in the bottem of the
main compartment.  The camera wrapped in a thick darkcloth above the
lenses.  Spot meter, loup and misc accessories in a stuff sack above the
camera.  Filters in a Domke filter file (relatively flat) in a pocket on
the back of the pack.  The equipment is placed in the pack so that I
don't have to dig though everything to get to what I need next when I'm
setting up.  I also have I Zone VI bag, but only use it over my sholder
when working close to my car.  Everything gets transfered to my backpack
for longer trips.

John Sparks
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From: duane@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (duane.galensky)
Subject: Re: PZ-1 over the EOS 10s, N8008s
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:59:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.071517.2132@sactoh0.sac.ca.us> mfolivo@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Mark Newton-John) writes:
>Subject: Re: advice wanted on the Pentax PZ1 vs the Canon EOS 10s
>Keywords: Get the PZ-1
>References: <1992Jul21.073517@wrl.dec.com>
>
>The PZ-1 is a step up from the EOS 10s.
>1/8000 shutter			1/4000 shutter
>
>The PZ-1 has a programmable image tracking and "zoom clip", you can
>preset two focal lengths that the lens will go to when you press
>the button on the lens. That is if you are at 28mm for a tennis
>match, and all of a sudden you see a good shot, press the button
>and presto, 105mm without thinking! (with 105mm preset).
>
>You should have spot metering if you do serious stuff, as sometimes
>you really have to have exposure control.
>
>But the PZ-1 is $599 from the EOS 10s $399. Pretty big difference.
>
>Between the Nikon N8008s and the Pentax PZ-1, PZ-1.
>Between the Nikon N6006 and the Canon EOS 10s, EOS 10s.
>
>The PZ-1 and N8008s are comparable, and the EOS 10s and the N6006
>are comparable.
>
>

just a thought: assuming that one has fundamental competency
in obtaining correct exposure, recognize that the camera body 
itself has (under most conditions) little to do with the quality 
of the result, whereas lenses have primary and fundamental effect
for each and every photograph...

duane
From: gasser@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Nathan Gasser ><>  )
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: EOS Rebel vs. Minolta 3xi vs. Nikon 5005: Best Entry-level AF?
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:16:52 GMT


Hi all,

I'm in the market for a beginner's AF SLR.   I'm looking at the 
Canon EOS Rebel/Rebel S, the Minolta 3xi/SPxi, and the Nikon 5005.

Anyone have any comments regarding the above selections?  Something
in the same category I'm ignoring?

My concerns:
Is the Rebel's construction too flimsy?
Is the Minolta's xi autozomming worth anything?
Is the Nikon's many dials and guages clumsy and slow to use?
What are the (dis)advantages of built-in flash?

And the question of the day:
How do I get one of these cameras to take a 40-minute exposure?  None
have a cable release connection.

Any/all comments welcome.  Email unless you think it's relevant to all.

Nate.


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From: cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Subject: Re: New Nikon Body?
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Reply-To: cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 24 Jul 92 04:30:15 GMT

In article <37166@unix.SRI.COM>, Mitch_Halpern@qm.sri.com (Mitch Halpern) writes:
|> 
|> A while back, the net was filled with rumors about new cameras from Nikon 
|> and Minolta.  The Minolta rumor has obviously panned out with the release 
|> of the 9xi, but info about any new Nikons have been nonexistent.  Does 
|> anyone on the net have any additional insight into the Nikon situation?  
|> If I remember correctly, there was a post that stated that when Nikon 
|> offers rebates on a camera model it is a good clue that they are about to 
|> replace it; at least that's what happened with the 8008/8008s.  Since it's 
|> rebate galore time on both the 8008s and 6006 until the end of August, 
|> beginning of September are we to expect 2 new models? (This would appear 
|> highly unlikely for a company as conservative as Nikon, but who knows...)
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> There is no one to blame for these opinions except myself....
|> 
|> 

Yah ! I've been wondering for a long time.  Nikon has 2002,4004,5005,6006,
8008, what about 3003 and 7007 ?  Similarly, F701 has been missing from
the line (which should be the same as 7007, right ?).
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From: ALLAM@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Seyed Allameh)
Subject: Problem with Yashica FX-7
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:38:34 GMT

My Yashica FX-7 shoots a picture each time I try to load a new frame. Sorry
if this is not the right place to post this. Would a kind soul either comment
on this or refer me to a more appropriate newsgroup?

Regards,

Seyed
From: gsnow@clark.edu (Gary Snow)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Amateur vs. Pro (was Re: International Photographer)
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:42:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: clark.1992Jul24.184231.20250
Distribution: na
Organization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa.  USA

In article <1992Jul24.170312.14059@aus.intel.com> dennisg@aus.intel.com (dennis grifith X64683) writes:
>
>I always thought a 'pro' was someone who made more than $500.00 a year from
>photography.  At least that is what I was told it was for painters (artists).

Def: Professional (noun): one who has acquired special skill in or knowledge
                          and mastery of something.

I don't know of anyone who can truely claim to have "mastery" of photography,
so I guess that rules out all the so called pros.

Gary

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From: ria@dash.udev.cdc.com (Richard Askew)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: X-rays (airports) and film
Date: 30 Jul 92 11:28:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

pmt@sbcs.sunysb.edu (Tromovitch Philip) writes:
: A few questions about what is safe, and what is not safe, for film.
: 
: Is it safe to let the airports X-ray my carry-on camera bag w/ film in it?
: 
: On international flights, the baggage that goes under the plane
: is supposed to be X-rayed, is this safe for film?
: 
: How about a box of film mailed from Europe to the USA; does it get
: X-rayed as it comes through customs?
: 
: And lastly, are the answers to the above questions the same for exposed,
: as well as unexposed film?
: 
: Thanks in advance,
: 
: Phil

Recently I did a 4 stage flight round Europe with several rolls of CP 
(ASA 100 & 200) with the film being X-ray'd at each stopover.
As I used up the film there was therefore combinations of unexposed/exposed
film being Xray'd - No detectable effects noticed !
I've  also done a similar 3 stop flight around the USA, again with no
effect.
What is more susceptible is the fast film (around 1000 ASA plus), but if
mention this to the staff they will usually hand-search these films.
Although, they don't like this when there big queues behind you AND be polite!
FORGET using these lead baggy's. If they can't 'see' thro. the bag they just
increase the X-ray power!

A related subject: Mag tape & diskettes. I've had these X-ray'd and once
or twice they've arrived with errors (although I've never lost the data completly)
- I've heard that its not the X-rays which effect the tape - Rather the
magnetic effect of the transformers, et al.

Regards,
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Control Data Systems Inc
London (UK)
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From: robert@sys.sweden.dg.com (Robert Claeson)
Subject: Re: print protection
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:52:41 GMT
Organization: Data General AB, Akalla, Sweden

In article <1992Jul22.133340.4127@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, eugene@briar.lle.rochester.edu (Eugene Kowaluk) writes:

> The reason I mention this is that after you visit the International Museum
> of Photography at George Eastman House here, you have to stop at Light
> Impressions which is just five minutes away.  You have to check
> their specials:  several years I picked up sixteen issues of the journal
> History of Photography for only $25, and they were over ten years old.
> And a couple years ago they were getting rid of cases of 8x10 archival
> mounting board for only $5 per case (normally around $5 per 25 boards).
> They also have on hand many items that are slightly damaged for very
> reduced prices.
> 
> Order their catalog, if you are not familiar with them.  They are also a
> mail-order house.

Anyone knows who's selling their stuff in Sweden or in other parts of Europe?
The only L.I. product I've seen here is their acid-free mounting tape (I
use it to mount prints when I frame them -- great stuff).

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From: scott@yuma.acns.colostate.edu (Scott Baily)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Agfa APX 100 processing hints?
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:08:26 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523


  Does anyone have a favorite recipe for processing Agfa APX 100
they would like to pass on? I'd prefer one for D-76, but would be
interested in hearing about experiences with other developers as well. 
I'll be processing roll film in a small tank.

  Thanks in advance,

	  Scott Baily
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From: accwai@math.uwaterloo.ca (Andy Wai)
Subject: Re: Flash Photography
Organization: Math Faculty Computing Facility, University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:26:54 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.044513.7899@cello.hpl.hp.com> jacobson@cello.hpl.hp.com (David Jacobson) writes:
>[...]
>Auto flashes: Sometime in the last 20 years, someone invented
>"automatic" flashes.  [...]  When a selected amount of light
>is reached, a fancy electronic circuit "quenches" the flash.

Speaking of quenching, how exactly does the thyristor circuit work?
I've never seen a satisfactory explanation of this.  I would assume
that it's not just shorting the caps to the ground...

Andy Wai
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: print protection?
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 22:32:28 GMT

In article <+rqx5cf@rpi.edu> changj@nova.cs.rpi.edu (John Chang) writes:
>
>Does anyone know of anything that would protect prints (primarily from 
>scratches), preferrably in something easily applicable like a spray?
>As many people know, Cibachrome is very easily scratched (and dirtied),
>and I'm tired of having it scratched up just from carrying it with
>other prints.  I've seen a spray for retouching photos and one for
>generic art/photo, but haven't seen one specifically for scratches.  
>Does such things exist?

People who send photo portfolios around sometimes have them laminated
between 2 sheets of plastic.  There are companies that specialize in
doing this here in NYC and professional photographers and models often
do this.

Lamination can be with shiny or matte fronts, with any size borders 
or none at all, with black or white borders, etc.  After laminating,
Velcro can be applied to the back and they can be hung on fuzzy walls.
Note that not all papers are suitable for laminating; one (I forget 
which) tends to grow fungus or somesuch inside after a while.

I've seen laminated prints and they can be very impressive. 
I've never done this to any of my prints, though.

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