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From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: USA/Japan Protest
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:06:30 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.174007.19521@rice.edu>, reed@owlnet.rice.edu (Kevin Niles Reed) writes:
|> While listening to the discussions about the US Volleyball team, I was given
|> the impression that they are likely to win the Gold.  They were expected
|> to win all the preliminary games quite easily.  The problem I have with the
|> protest, is that if we set up an analagous situation in Basketball, we would
|> accuse the players of being petty(boy am I going to get flamed for this).
|> The US in all likelyhood will advance, with or without a victory over Japan.
|> If the call was going to make a difference in the end, I could understand
|> people's anger with the ruling.

The call will make a difference if Japan makes the finals. The team which misses
the finals will be very upset. As far as how good they are, both teams are VERY
good (although the Men could really use Ivie), but they are not heavily favored
and there are some who do not even think they should be favored for gold. It is
supposed to be (as Olympic volleyball always seems to be [even when there is a
rout]) close.

Jason W. Solinsky
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From: clamen@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Subject: Re: NBC :- State owned telecast :-)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 10:41:37 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
	<1992Jul30.183812.6808@ulowell.ulowell.edu>
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Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <1992Jul30.183812.6808@ulowell.ulowell.edu> wledder@cs.ulowell.edu (William Ledder) writes:

   In article <1992Jul30.173129.15666@cc.gatech.edu>, kamal@cc.gatech.edu (Kamal Karlapalem) writes:
   |> 
   |> After watching NBC's olmpic telecast for four days it seems 
   |> to be that NBC is using its position as a sole broadcasting 
   |> station to thrust whatever it feels like on the general 
   |> viewing audience.
   |> 
   |> I would like to get a good picture of what is going in all the 
   |> events in olympics. Not just swimming, diving and the dream team.
   |> 

   [Additional comments deleted]

	   Believe it or not, according to _USA Today_, the ratings
   for the games are much higher than the ratings for 1988.
   Apparently, NBC decided to change their approach for olympic
   coverage to be "family-oriented".  The article went on to say that
   after the 1988 games, the execs at NBC looked at all the data and
   determined exactly what the prime-time viewer wanted to see.

I wonder how many of those families know that THREE flags go up while
the winner's anthem is playing?  1/2 :-)

Anyhow, it is obvious to me that a sport-/internationally-oriented
could not be financially justifiable on one of the broadcast networks.
PPV might be the right idea, but it might be possible to do a
commercial version on some existing superstation or cable channel.

TNT's effort during the Winter Olympics was appreciated by many of us.
Does anyone know if it made Ted any money?

Part of the problem with the Summer Olympics is that there are too
many events for complete coverage, so there will always be someone who
is dissatisfied with what *does* get shown.  Parcelling out specific
events to stations would likely result in smaller/less popular events
(eg. Field Hockey; Shooting) not getting any coverage.

Anyhow, I do think there is a market for "European" style Olympic
coverage in the US.  However, NBC is not the place for it.


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From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: Isn't Olympics for Amateurs?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:40:55 GMT

In article <131953@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>, ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi) writes:
|> In article <WARKENT.92Jul30124553@ltisun9.epfl.ch> warkent@ltisun9.epfl.ch (Ken Warkentyne) writes:
|> > Look for "unpopular" sports such as greco-roman
|> >wrestling to be replaced by events such as American football
|> >and cricket.
|> 
|> While it is possible that sports like American football and cricket
|> will be added to the games, it's highly unlikely that any current
|> medal sports will be removed.  Certainly not a sport like greco-roman
|> wrestling, which is very popular in many parts of the world.  Even
|> in the US, to some extent -- remember Jeff Blatnick?

Actually, it appears that the modern Pentathalon is on its last legs and
very close to dying. It is likely that the IOC would permit it. Its not
like shooting where there is a considerable following, the Pentathalons
following is very quickly dying.

Jason W. Solinsky
From: rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: SWIMFINAL: Result-M's 4x100m Medley Relay
Keywords: gymnastics
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:56:23 GMT
Expires: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 05:00:00 GMT
Organization: Rice University, Houston

SWIMMING - Men's 4x100m Medley Relay FINAL
==========================================
at Picornell Pool, Montjuic
 
World Record		3:36.93		held by UNITED STATES (USA) - 1988
Olympic Record		3:36.93		held by UNITED STATES (USA) - Seoul 1988

Gold	United States		USA	3:36.93		Equalled WR, Equalled OR
Silver	Unified Team		EUN	3:38.56
Bronze	Canada			CAN	3:39.66
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4	Germany			GER	?
5	France			FRA	?
6	Hungary			HUN	?
7	Australia		AUS	3:42.65
8	Japan			JPN	?

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From: JRGS@db1.cc.rochester.edu (JORGE SOARES)
Subject: re:Kirelin and HGH
Organization: University of Rochester, Rochester NY 
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 17:58:57 GMT
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How can you condemn somebody so easily? Because he doesn't have "normal"
fetures?
Did you notice the physical difference between the dream team players and the
other ones? You must think they use steroids too.
 Jorge
From: bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com (Beverly M. Zalan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Swimming Results
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:39:17 GMT
Reply-To: bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com (Beverly M. Zalan)
Organization: Chevron CEPS

Is anyone posting swimming results today?  There must have been
some action already today...

Beverly M. Zalan
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics,aus.sport,aus.general,aus.tv
From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: Contacting Aust. Olympic Team
Organization: -=[ Curtin University ]=-  Perth, Australia.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 13:01:59 GMT

CONTACTING THE AUSTRALIAN OLYMPIC TEAM
======================================

Messages can be sent to the Australian Olympic Team members via FACSIMILE
to the following number...

			0015-34-3-221-0290

		(Call costs are at normal IDD rates)

Rod
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From: josh@loglady.ninds.nih.gov (Joshua (Summer student))
Subject: Re: MEDAL COUNT su 26.7.
Reply-To: josh@loglady.ninds.nih.gov (Joshua (Summer student))
Organization: National Inst. of Health, NINDS, LMCN
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:48:36 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.185554.22119@cs.hut.fi>, killer@punisher.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa) writes:
|> (Adminstrative note:  Please feel free to correct errors especially
|>  in the names of the countries)
|> 
|>       MEDAL COUNT AS OF 26.7.
|> 
|> CIS		   2	  0	 0
|> China		   1      3      0
|> USA		   1	  1	 1
|> Bulgaria	   1	  1	 0
|> Hungary		   1	  1	 0
|> Australia	   1	  0	 1
|> Germany		   1	  0	 1
|> Korea		   1	  0	 0
|> Sweden		   0	  1	 1
|> France		   0	  1	 1
|> Italy		   0	  1	 0
|> Finland		   0	  0	 1
|> Holland		   0	  0	 1
|> Romany		   0	  0	 1
|> 
|> Aranka Binder	   -	  -	 1


Could someone post the standings also. (i.e. how many points per gold, silver, and
bronze.  i'm pretty sure not all medals are weighted the same.)

thanks

josh@loglady.ninds.nih.gov
From: gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Amateur vs. Pro (Was: Re: TripleCast Update)
Date: 24 Jul 92 02:29:12 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA
Originator: gharris@jade.tufts.edu

In article <1992Jul23.145615.27189@walter.bellcore.com> kenl@origami.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ken Lehner) writes:
>
>Anita Nall is the world record holder in the women's 200m breaststroke.  She
>is also a high school student.  Joe Hudepohl is going to the Olympics in the
>200m free and a relay, and is also a high schooler.  So, "vlad", are they
>"idle aristocrats" or "millionairs" (sic)?  If not, then they must be
>receiving "money for their ahtletic performance".  What nefarious sponsor
>do they have, other than their parents?
>
	US Swimming, which is the national governing body for the sport.  It 
pays $5000 for a world record, $3000 for one of the top four times in history,
and $1500 a month for members of the Olympic team.  Of course, for high school
and college students who don't want to jeopardize their NCAA eligibilty, pay-
ments are limited to $2500/year, which is allowed by NCAA regulations.  I'd say
that makes them professionals, don't you?

	Incidently, you might want to talk to whoever runs news on your system,
since people who pst from bogus addresses tend to be viewed as cowardly jerks.

>When one uses "all", "none", "never", or "always" in a statement, it only
>takes a single counter-example to allow the audience to dismiss the entire
>content of the statement, and often serves to cast doubt on anything else
>presented by the speaker.

	Fine.  Let us know when you come up with one, we're all waiting with
bated breath.

--
"If you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce, they taste more like
prunes than rhubarb does."              -Groucho Marx 

gharris@jade.tufts.edu          George Harris, Tufts Univ. Dept. of Mathematics
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
From: killer@robocop.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: Barkley is a jerk...
Keywords: Barkley
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:50:16 GMT

In <1992Jul27.055658.15252@ccad.uiowa.edu> bhat@ccad.uiowa.edu (Dinkar N. Bhat) writes:
>The "Dream Team" can get away with anything and everything. Pack a bunch

He didn't get away with it.  He got a technical, which is a quite major
penalty in basketball, as the other team gets two free throws AND the
posession.

Whether or not he should have been ejected is debatable, I personally
would say no.
--
* I teleported home one night; With Ron and Sid and Meg                   *
* Ron stole Meggie's heart away; And I got Sidney's leg.                  *
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From: kumar@b30.ingr.com (Mahesh S. Kumar)
Subject: Cricket, baseball, shot-put etc.
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:06:31 GMT

recently a nettor had compared shot-put and baseball to justify
the inclusion of baseball in the olympics.  Shot-put is an
'athletic event' while baseball is a sport.  Comparing the two
to justify a viewpoint is IMHO not correct.  I would be more 
convinced (regarding inclusion of baseball) if you can give 
some examples of other 'sports' (where the following is limited
but still justifies inclusion).
Mahesh kumar
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
From: hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld)
Subject: Re: Table Tennis : Results (3)
Reply-To: hau4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:44:26 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.161221.13320@cc.umontreal.ca> desjarly@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Desjardins Lyne) writes:
>
>TUESDAY 28 JULY:
>
>Slobodan Grujic/Ilija Lupulesku, Yugoslavia         21  21
                                  ~~~~~~~~~~
There is no such country. Grujic and Lupulesku (whose first name is Ilie,
not Ilija) are permitted to compete strictly as individuals.

Sven
From: xepama@usmi02.midland.chevron.com (P.Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: GYMNASTICS: results (top three of women's all-around)
Keywords: gymnastics
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:42:13 GMT
Organization: chevron

In article <1992Jul30.205644.24215@rice.edu> rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless) writes:
>
>...... the top three finishers were:
>
>1. Tatiana Gutsu, EUN
>2. Shannon Miller, USA
>3. Lavinia Milosevici, ROM
>
I am impressed at the prescience of the people who not only predicted that
an EUN gymnast would be 'injured' to allow Gutsu to compete, but also
named the victim.  I didn't see all of the competition; did the US 
commentators discuss how convenient it was the the weakest of the 3 EUN
competitors should drop out this way?
-- 
Parker Mann                    xepama@usmi02.midland.chevron.com
 
"Keep those cards and letters."
From: zoon@cs.umd.edu (Sungzoon Cho)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Volleyball rule change ?  Scoring when being served ?
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:35:38 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742


   Hi, I watched a little bit of Volleyball game betn' Espana and the US
last night.  In the 5th set, the US led Espana 13-10 when an Espana
player served.   The US team won two consecutive points from there
and eventually won the game.   In other words, they scored while 
being served !!   My understanding of a rule, practiced at least 
until early 80's, is that a team does score only when they DO serve.   
What's going on ?   Did they change the rule and fogot to notify me :-) ? 
Can anyone enlighten me on this please ?   Thanks in advance.

  Sungzoon Cho (zoon@cs.umd.edu)

Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
From: richter@mcc.com (Charlie Richter)
Subject: Re: Chinese athlets
Organization: MCC, Austin, TX
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:45:29 GMT

> I had previously thought that the East Germans swimmers were merely
> widely suspected of having used drugs. I found it startling to find
> that the people who ran the East German swimming program
> openly admitted that the program was based on steroids.

The suspicions were confirmed by records discovered after the East
German government fell.  NBC did a piece on this last night or the
night before.  The East German women were not all that competitive in
the Munich Olympics in 1972;  they won some medals, but few golds.
In 1973 in the Belgrade world championships, the East German women
dominated -- they won most of the events, sometimes by surprising
margins.  And they looked huge -- really bulky arms and legs.

By the way, Kornelia Ender has said that she was given growth
hormones without her knowledge.  She said she noticed that her arms
continued to grow bulkier even when she wasn't seriously training.

> What is truly disturbing is that I had previously known that in 1986 an East
> German went to China to set up a program based on the East German system.
> I would like to believe that the Chinese incorporated East German training
> techniques without incorporating the drugs, but given that the East Germans
> used increasingly sophisticated anabolic steroids for twenty years, and were
> able engineer them to avoid detection, I don't believe that the spectre of
> drugs will ever be lifted from the program.

Well, I'm a little skeptical of the charge that Chinese swimmers are
systematically using steriods for two reasons.  First, while the
Chinese swimmers have improved in the past couple of years, they
aren't suddenly dominating events like the East German women did in
1973.  Second, the Chinese swimmers, at least the ones I've seen on
NBC, don't look like the East Germans did back then.

I'd like to see more extensive testing of the swimmers, so that either
the Chinese can clear their reputations, or, if they have been using
steroids, their guilt can be determined.  Test all the finalists from
all countries.  (Maybe some USA swimmers are guilty, too.)
-- 
Charlie Richter   MCC   Austin, Texas
  uucp: richter@milano.uucp     arpa: richter@mcc.com
"The panic ... was not due to anything fundamentally weak in either business
   or finance.  It was confined to the market itself."   - WSJ, Oct. 31, 1929
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics,soc.culture.british
From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: Why only ONE british olympic team
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:21:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.211404.15588@cs.hut.fi>, killer@robocop.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa) writes:
|> In <1992Jul27.183820.2386@stsci.edu> wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes:
|> >>Because USA has only one, too.  So does Denmark and Finland.
|> >See below; Puerto Rico is considered separate from the rest of the
|> >segments which make up the United States (including the fifty states,
|> >the District of Columbia, and territories governed by the US).
|> 
|> I won't argue about the status of Puerto Rico, but I have a *VERY*
|> vague feeling that P.R. is very often considerd a country of its
|> own right.  That is not, however, the case with Northen Ireland,
|> Scotland, Wales, Far Islands (belong to Danmark), Greenland (ditto)
|> or Ahvenanmaa (Finland).

No, this is absolutelly incorrect. Puerto Ricos international situation is
VERY similiar to Northern Ireland (If you forget the IRA and stuff like that
that is). Lets remember that in the original olympic games, five or ten of
the "countries" would have fit into Ireland. The real answer to why Britain
only has one team, is that they only had one team in 1896. This set the
precedent. I suspect that the primary consideration back then was the cost
involved in sending the athletes. four countries can be four times the cost.

Jason W. Solinsky
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
From: fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric West)
Subject: ROLLER HOCKEY: Results 7/30
Followup-To: rec.sport.olympics
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 20:26:14 GMT
Expires: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 05:00:00 GMT


			ROLLER HOCKEY COMPETITION
			THURSDAY'S RESULTS

Pool A:	Italy 25, Japan 1
	Argentina 2, Switzerland 1
	Portugal 7, United States 3
Pool B:	Brazil 7, Australia 4
	Netherlands 5, Germany 2
	Spain 10, Angola 0

		FINAL PRELIMINARY STANDINGS

POOL A		W	L	T	Pts.	PF	PA
Italy		4	0	1	9	54	 8
Portugal	4	1	0	8	59	 8
Argentina	2	1	2	6	22	 9
United States	2	2	1	5	24	27
Switzerland	1	4	0	2	12	28
Japan		0	5	0	0	 4	95

POOL B		W	L	T	Pts.	PF	PA
Spain		5	0	0	10	45	 3
Brazil		4	1	0	8	27	12
Netherlands	2	2	1	5	23	23
Germany		2	3	0	4	12	17
Angola		1	3	1	3	 7	23
Australia	0	5	0	0	 6	42

"Second round games" start Saturday.  When I find out what these are, I'll
let you know. :)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
From: fielden@spot.Colorado.EDU (j.a. fielden)
Subject: Re: GYMNASTICS: my opinions of the women's competition on Tue night
Keywords: gymnastics
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:20:39 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.043059.29401@rice.edu> rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless) writes:
>Notes from the women's team competition:
>
>7. Bela Karolyi, gymnastics' most famous coach, announced his
>retirement from the coaching of Olympic gymnasts.  He did look
>somewhat tired out there... but how can he retire now with the '96
>Games in Atlanta, Kerri Strug not retiring, and two very promising
>upcoming 10-year-olds at his gym in Houston?
>
	Again. He said last time that he was going to retire.  He also said
if he was offered the coaching job for the U.S. team he wouldn't accept,
he did . I'll believe it when it happens. I don't think he'll retire until 
he has a team that takes gold.
From: wth@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Tracey Haldane)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Urgent Help Needed
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:31:10 GMT
Reply-To: wth@aiai.UUCP (Tracey Haldane)
Organization: AIAI, University of Edinburgh, Scotland


Does anyone know where the rowing events in the Olympics will be held
and what is the best way to travel there once in Spain.  How long does
it take to get there from Barcelona, is Barcelona the best airport to
fly to and any general information about the rowing events.  We need
to know by tomorrow (Thursday 23).


Thanks in advance

Tracey Haldane
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From: calving@netcom.com (The Lindsay-Geyer Corp)
Subject: Re: Kirelin and HGH
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 04:44:48 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Now and then, a superathlete happens.  I believe he is one of these.  I suggest borrowing (it's out of print) the book: The SuperAthletes.  Read about the strongest man in modern recorded hsitory (ca. 1750).

I went to school with a man who was 6' 2" and weighed 210.  In the eighth grade!  He eventually became 6'4", 250.  Last I knew, he was working as a pipefitter.  This is fitting, as about ten years ago, I was a guest at a pipefiitters' xmas party.  They all resembled Mr. Kirelin.  It seems that higher paid pipefitters can work faster, as they do not usually need wrenches -- they just use their hands!

If any of these gentlemen (especially my friend) had trained as athletes, especially with the zeal of Mr. Kirelin, they would have been bigger, more powerful, and given his attitude, meaner.

Another example I recall is the actor who played "Mr. Caruso" on the TV show "Welcome Back Kotter."
As for signs of steroid abuse, look to "professional wrestling".  Remember Lou Thez?  Remember Bruno Sammartino?  How did they look?  How do the "competitors" look now?  Who among these most resemble Mr. Kirelin?

Let's give a superathlete his due.

May we persue our own endeavors with the same zeal.

CalvinG.