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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:20:39 EST
From: <ELM113@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Stunt Kite Newbie has a question

I have an interest in entering the realm of stunt kites, but I a little
stuck as to which kite to buy, and there's nobody for me to ask.  Can anyone
give me suggestions.  I'd appreciate it very much if someone responded.
Please, e- mail me an answer at the address listed below..

Edward Mar              Penn State University   elm113@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne)
Subject: Re: UK Source for spars? 
Organisation: STACK Finland
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network Project - FUNET
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 08:28:50 GMT

In <728172342snz@dstrike.demon.co.uk> dadams@dstrike.demon.co.uk ("David Adams") writes:

>>>
>>>Does anybody know from where I can get spars in the UK?
>>>I am particularly interested in Beeman and Prospar graphite spars.  If
>>>I can get long lengths to be cut to size then so much the better.
>>
>>You could try to EMAIL simonr@cix.compulink.co.uk who owns?/runs
>>Kite Corner in London. I use Tradewind Kites in Reading, Berks
>I have already visited Kite Corner.  Simon (who is deupty editor of PCW)
>is the son of the propietors.  I was looking for a more direct source 
>for some of the more esoteric spars seen advertised in the American 
>magazines.  Kite Corner (along with the other London shops) will get 
>individual spars to order, at a price.

Customized sizes (up to 1.5 m) of Beman spars ("ultralight", 
"strong", "pro"), a "kite manufacturer" can buy directly
from the manufacturer. MINIMUM order is 1000 (one thousand) sticks!

Anybody who needs 1000 sticks can be considered a "manufacturer".
(Just my opinion!)

Beman "standard" quality (I believe they are arrow shaft seconds,
because only one length/diameter is available) can be bought in
batches of 100 (one hundred) sticks.

You did not mention the amount you need:-)

Smooth Winds
Simo Salanne
From: salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Help Translating German
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:48:57 GMT
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network Project - FUNET
Organisation: STACK Finland

In <1993Jan26.154443.26471@newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de> MOD21290@ipc1.rrzn.uni-hannover.de (Mathias Sauter, Modula) writes:

>   >3. Aub(Beta)ensegal
>   >4. Gestange Mab(Beta)e

>3./4. I've no idea what that means.

I don't speak German, and my English is poor, but could 

3. mean "Aussensegel" ... outer sail?
4. mean "Gestange Masse" ... the weight of a stick/spar?

Eben Winde
Simo Salanne
STACK Finland
From: jkn@ohm.york.ac.uk (John Nicoll)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: plotfoil
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:22:53 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

In <C1GpzC.4KC@acsu.buffalo.edu> trljim@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (JIM SONNENMEIER) writes:

>In article <18149@umd5.umd.edu>, jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) writes...
>> 
>>Quite a while ago somebody posted a postscript program to plot 
>>airfoils.  A friend of mine needs this program, and I didn't save it, 
>>silly me.
>> 
>>If anyone could either mail it to me or point me to an appropriate
>>FTP site, I would greatly appreciate it.
>> 
>>Thanks,
>> 
>>Jeff
>>-- 
>ftp site for plotfoil ....

>bigwig.geology.indiana.edu (129.79.146.87) in directory 
>/models/airfoil/plotfoil

>Jim

This is probably the program that Jeff wants, although it doesn't
_quite_ fit his description. Plotfoil takes a coordinate list
and _generates_ a PostScript program to plot it on your laser
printer. I may be the original source of his information, since I
used PlotFoil to generate a template for making a `Speedfoil'
Flexifoil clone a while ago (Almost finished a 10foot version now,
which I'm looking forward to flying).

I mantion all of this because (i) if there is another program out
there, I'd like to hear about it, and (ii) to mention that I have
just downloaded a program from the net which allows you to edit,
view, and print airfoils (on `a PC with Graphics capability').
I haven't even tried it yet, but will pass it on if people are
interested.

I think it only plots to a dot matrix printer tho'.

	cheers
		john N
 
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Tel +44 (904) 433221   Fax +44 (904) 432335
From: pat@cs.strath.ac.uk (Patrick Prosser)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Flexi's and the CoE
Keywords: Flexi, Church of England, Archbishop, Monarchy
Date: 25 Jan 93 11:16:56 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.
Originator: pat@kelvin-02.cs.strath.ac.uk


The Archbishop of York flies a flexifoil ... I thought you should know this. 

As you probably know, the Prince of Wales (Chuck) has been effing
about, and it has been over heard that he wishes to be re-incarnated
as a tampon. The King/Queen of UK is also the head of the Church
of England (CoE). Therefore, if Chuck gets promoted, he will be 
head of CoE. Not surprisingly there has been a debate regarding this, 
ie does the CoE want as head a man who eff's about, and wants to be a tampon.

On the BBC news last night the Rev. Dr. John Habgood, Archbishop of York,
was interviewed with respect to the relationship between
the Church of England, and the Monarchy. The interviewer also
mentioned as an aside that the Archbishop was a keen kite flier.
They then gave a 10 second clip of Dr John (the Gris Gris man?)
flying a 6' flexi. He was wearing all the black gear, and he
was flying the flexi off a pole. Absolutely wonderful, surreal,
the best advert I've seen for years. Gobsmacked.


Patrick (a Scotsman who disnae have a flexi, and disnae want a king) Prosser
From: lucifer@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Light-Bearer)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Graphite spars for the Scorpion
Date: 25 Jan 1993 12:47:08 -0600
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas
NNTP-Posting-Host: emx.cc.utexas.edu
Keywords: Good replacements

In article <1993Jan19.155954.22471@das.harvard.edu> sasaki@netop3.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki) writes:
>
>In article <1j7hbpINNp09@emx.cc.utexas.edu>, lucifer@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Light-Bearer) writes:
>>Anyway, I was setting up my Scorpion this weekend and as I was
>>connecting the fly-lines, a bit of breeze barely bent the leading edge
>>and POW!... one busted leading edge.
>
>My guess is that a small crack had developed the last time you flew,
>and the small bend just opened up the crack. That's a good reason to
>give your kite spars a good flex before putting them away, if you have
>developed a small crack, it will show up and you can repair the kite
>before your next trip out to the field.
>
Yeah, good suggestion.

>>I really like the way the Scorpion does ground work, but if I bust leading
>>edges all the time...
>
>My guess is that the Scorpion usually comes with Beman rods. Bemans
>are lighter for the same stiffness than AFC, but AFCs are tougher. If
>you have the weather that will let you go with a heavier rod, switch
>to AFC. If you often find yourself grounded or barely flying then I
>would stay with Beman.
>
I usually fly in very light winds <= 5 MPH, so the lighter rods are better.
I think this is a good lesson: Learn to do tip stands and leading
edge launches with a a stronger frame BEFORE I do them with the 
Scorpion (or NS Kona)! 

>>BTW - I plan to post a set of my expeiences with various different kites. 
>>I also got a Joel Sholz Kestral (SP?) for Christmas and a Cobra Impulse!
>
>Definitely post your experiences. I'm sure many will find them
>interesting.

I definitely will. Sometime this week I should have a bit of free time
to write something up. I was really hoping to fly this weekend, and do 
a good side-by-side comparison of all my kites..., but the weather 
didn't cooperate. 

Anyway, thanks to Marty, Simo and everybody else who commented on the 
spar problem.

BTW - what ever happened to the rec.kites pin?

>--
>Marty Sasaki               Harvard University           Sasaki Kite Fabrications
[stuff deleted so my stupid news reader won't cancell my message because
I haven't included more new text than old...AAARRRGGGHHHHH!!!!!]



Dean


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From: sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Join the AKA
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:52:10 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Come fly with us!

Join the worldwide membership of the 
American Kitefliers Association.

Benefits include:

	The bimonthly newsletter KITING with events calendar, plans
	for kites, articles, regional report and more. A great way to keep 
	up with what is going on in the world of kites.

	10% discount on purchases from member merchants, who are among
	the finest to be found.

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	you fly. $1,000,000 worth of coverage when flying in sanctioned events.

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	at same.

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	Of course you also get the fellowship of other AKA members to boot.

All of this can be your's for the bargain price of as little $20 per year. When
you compare these dues to other international organizations, you will see
how favorably the AKA compares to other similar groups.

What are you waiting for? Do it today and join the growing ranks of 
happy kitefliers around the world who are glad to be members. You can
even charge your membership due. What more do you want for convience?

So call 1-800-AKA-2550 or mail a check to:

	American Kitefliers Association
	1559 Rockville Pike
	Rockville, Maryland 20852-1651

You'll be gald you did. 

And be sure to tell them you heard about in on rec.kites.

  
-- 

The Mad Hata  

"Hey, Mon....Tako Kichi!"
From: Colin_Douthwaite@equinox.gen.nz (Cfbd)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Stunt Kite Newbie has a question
Date: 25 Jan 93 03:17:41 GMT
Organization: Equinox Networks
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

ELM113@psuvm.psu.edu wrote:
: I have an interest in entering the realm of stunt kites, but I a little
: stuck as to which kite to buy, and there's nobody for me to ask.  Can anyone
: give me suggestions.  I'd appreciate it very much if someone responded.
: Please, e- mail me an answer at the address listed below..

: Edward Mar              Penn State University   elm113@psuvm.psu.edu

If you care to fly (yourself) to New Zealand you could buy an ARROWHEAD
STUNTER from GLOBAL SKY KITES , the maker for about $US 30.

It is shaped like an arrowhead and it really flies. Doesn't turn on a wing
tip but it really likes to fly, not crash. Simple really - even I can keep
it in the air for hours non-stop.
Good luck !!
From: ajd@oit.itd.umich.edu (Arthur Delano)
Newsgroups: rec.mag
Subject: Re: fanzine history
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:23:32 GMT
Organization: finchhaus
NNTP-Posting-Host: helen.oit.itd.umich.edu

i recall reading several years ago that the small press
predated science fiction fanzines by about fifty years,
and that the first small press zines (in the sense most
of us are using the term) were apazines.

Apparently there were little hand-operated printing presses
marketed in the 1880s; people bought them, began printing
personal thoughts and news, and started collating them for
exchange.

There's a copy of the article somewhere in the house;
if i find it i'll provide a summary and references.

AjD
-- 
                       ajd@oit.itd.umich.edu
"You'll never find happiness as a human being, kid." -- Suehiro Maruo
Newsgroups: rec.mag,alt.zines,alt.postmodern,alt.slack,alt.music.hardcore,alt.cyberpunk,alt.homosexual,alt.thrash,alt.fandom.misc,alt.startrek
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: Factsheet Five subscriptions
Organization: (getting there)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:17:14 GMT


jerod23@well.sf.ca.us (Jerod Pore) writes:

 >As I've posted before, we will be partially fulfilling outstanding
 >subscriptions.  We would like to fulfill them fully, but we have received NO
 >money from Hudson Luce.  Also, while Hudson did send us his subscription
 >list, he decided to send it via email (over his infamously noisy phone line)
 >in a format that made little sense to us.

 >As it is, anyone who had an outstanding subscription with Mike Gunderloy
 >will be getting half their remaining subscription sent out with the bulk
 >mail.

 >Anyone who sent money to Hudson Luce is SOL.

 >This policity is subject to change.  We'll try to fulfill the subscriptions,
 >even if only partially, as long as we are publishing F5.  IF (and that's a
 >big, 24 point boldface IF) we get the money that Hudson promised to send us,
 >or we get a flood of grants, donations and advertising revenue, then we'd be
 >able to fulfill subscriptions to their full value.  We'd also be able to
 >fulfill Hudson's subscriptions IF we received said windfall AND a copy of
 >his subscription list in a format we could understand.

This article is completely incomprehensible to me.  I think the
newsgroups line should be revised.

-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.

Newsgroups: rec.mag
From: lroberts@bellahs.com (Laurence Roberts PSE)
Subject: Re: F5 tear-sheets
Organization: Bell Atlantic Healthcare Systems
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:49:51 GMT

> I received 2 of the postcard tear-sheets from hardcopy F5 on
> Wednesday of last week.  A few days later, I read here that
> F5 has already gone to press.  What the heck is the purpose
> of sending these things out if F5 doesn't give us enough
> leadtime to inform them of corrections that need to be made?

I don't know if Jerod's answered your posting yet (it's probably
better to mail him than to post if you have specific Factsheet 5
questions).  I just edit the queer zine section, and I haven't been
as involved with production as Seth and Jerod.  So I'm not really
speaking from a position of authority.

The reasoning behind the postcards was that for financial reasons, it's 
impossible to send out trade copies of Factsheet 5.  When Hudson Luce 
published issue 45, not only didn't he send out trade copies, nobody who 
was reviewed in it was notified that the issue had come out.  And there
was virtually no distribution of the zine.  The idea with doing
tear sheets was that people could see their reviews and know the
zine was out.  I guess we didn't think that there might actually
be typos! :-)

It might be a good idea to print up the postcards and send them out
a couple weeks before printing.  That means that the reviews will be 
a couple weeks older before they get to the readers, but they'll also 
be more accurate.  It also means yet more work (entering in corrections)
for the already overworked editors.

Jerod did say in his posting that there will be an errata column
next time.  And hopefully the kinks will get worked out in future 
issues.

Larry-bob
lroberts@bellahs.com
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey)
Newsgroups: rec.mag
Subject: Re: fanzine history
Date: 27 Jan 1993 16:09:41 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.larc.nasa.gov

In article <1k46k5INNht8@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> ajd@oit.itd.umich.edu (Arthur Delano) writes:
>Apparently there were little hand-operated printing presses
>marketed in the 1880s; people bought them, began printing
>personal thoughts and news, and started collating them for
>exchange.

True enough, but this really was an outgrowth of the broadsides of the 
eighteenth century.
--scott
Newsgroups: rec.mag,alt.zines,soc.motss,alt.postmodern,alt.slack,alt.music.hardcore,alt.cyberpunk,alt.homosexual,alt.thrash,alt.fandom.misc,alt.startrek
From: jerod23@well.sf.ca.us (Jerod Pore)
Subject: Factsheet Five subscriptions
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:29:52 GMT



As I've posted before, we will be partially fulfilling outstanding
subscriptions.  We would like to fulfill them fully, but we have received NO
money from Hudson Luce.  Also, while Hudson did send us his subscription
list, he decided to send it via email (over his infamously noisy phone line)
in a format that made little sense to us.

As it is, anyone who had an outstanding subscription with Mike Gunderloy
will be getting half their remaining subscription sent out with the bulk
mail.

Anyone who sent money to Hudson Luce is SOL.

This policity is subject to change.  We'll try to fulfill the subscriptions,
even if only partially, as long as we are publishing F5.  IF (and that's a
big, 24 point boldface IF) we get the money that Hudson promised to send us,
or we get a flood of grants, donations and advertising revenue, then we'd be
able to fulfill subscriptions to their full value.  We'd also be able to
fulfill Hudson's subscriptions IF we received said windfall AND a copy of
his subscription list in a format we could understand.

Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin)
Subject: Re: Light Weight Back Packing?
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
	<1993Jan26.183924.1013@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>
	<Jan26.205738.26003@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
	<1993Jan27.213706.21030@nas.nasa.gov>
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 01:26:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.213706.21030@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:

   Back in 1972, had a Mt. Whitney trip.  That was 14 pounds for three days.
   The thing you have to realize is that all that gear is mostly luxury
   like the Thermarest.  And none of this means resorting to survival gear.
   Intelligent use of limited gear and food in certain environments
   and conditions is easily doable.

Do you think the thermarest is worth it?  Mine got stolen recently
and I'm thinking of switching to a full length Ridge Rest for both
weight and cost savings.  I'm wondering whether the comfort and
insulation will suffer enough to make me regret the switch.
I'm skinny and get cold easily, and use a lightweight sleeping bag.
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: abl9y@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Andrew B. Lederman)
Subject: Recommendation: a place to go with my father?
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:00:26 GMT

After years of claiming that I am crazy, my father hsa decided that he wants 
to share a wilderness experience with me.  We are planning to go somewhere
in mid-July, but don't know where to go.  He could probably not deal with 
carrying a heavy pack for a long time, and canoeing is out, so we are loking
for a good place to day trip from a lodge or something.  Anywhere in the U.S.
is fair game, but we'd prefer someplace in the Rockies.  Any suggestions,    
experiences would be  a great help.  I have to make this a good trip!

Thanks,
Andrew

abl9y@virginia.edu
From: ho@helen.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Kinson Ho)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Heavy Weight Backpacking (was Re: Light Weight Back Packing)
Date: 27 Jan 1993 19:43:29 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: helen.cs.berkeley.edu


What are the unusual (and RARELY USED) items people carry when they
go *heavy* weight backpacking?  

For example: elaborate repair kits (what?), signal flares, IV sets,
satellite phones etc.


Kinson Ho
From: tucker@shiva.edsg.hac.com (George Tucker)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: gaiters for crossing streams
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:15:55 GMT
Reply-To: tucker@shiva.UUCP (George Tucker)
Distribution: rec
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA

In article <PSHANNON.93Jan19081423@iapetus.cv.nrao.edu> pshannon@iapetus.cv.nrao.edu (Paul Shannon) writes:
>One of my favorite walks takes me across a stream 5 times in 
>a couple of hours.  Usually the water is no deeper than a foot,
>and often I wish for an alternative to the lengthy process of
>shedding boots and socks, wading across, drying feet and putting
>socks and boots back on. 
>
>Colin Fletcher, (Complete Walker III, page 69) mentions "the
>knee-length Yeti gaiter by Berghaus ... (which has) a 1.5-inch-deep
>rubber seal that grips the boot sole tightly enough to exclude all
>moisture."

Well, it might work for 1.5-inch deep streams, but the effort to put on
and take off Yeti gaiters would make up for at least half your time 
saving, they cost a lot, and you will wear them out on the trail.
Save them for winter snow climbs.

For the same amount of weight, you could carry some old sneakers, put
them on once, change back to boots a couple of hours later.  Or you
could just leave the boots on and have wet feet for awhile.  If it's
trail, you could just skip the boots and wear lightweight shoes that
dry quickly.  People who aren't coddled like us norteamericanos might
just go barefoot all the way, but that is not the generally recommended
way to cross streams.

	 George Tucker        tucker@shiva.hac.com
	Signature line awaiting FDA approval.

Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: dave@krakatoa.austin.ibm.com ()
Subject: Information on Gila Wilderness sought
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:50:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM, Austin

	I'm considering a trip to the Gila Wilderness Area in New Mexico 
	the week of July 5th. I would appreciate any suggestions/comments
	concerning the area in general and specifically on the following:

	- Any good trail guides to the area ?

	- Any suggestions on good, moderately difficult trails for a 4
	night trip into the backcountry (Scenic geology and hydrology
	are always a plus). 

	- Any problems with H20 that time of the year.

	- Is the week after the 4th of July going to be packed with poor
	slobs like myself.

	- Is this height of the misqueto hatch.

	- I seem to have the vague idea in my head that the Gila Wilderness
	requires some type of permit/reservation; are there any such 
	restrictions ?

	- Any good fishing ?

	- Have you been there at different times of the year and found early
	July to be vastly inferior to other times of the year. If so, why
	was early July so bad and what time was better. I could put the
	trip off to late summer or fall.


Thanks,
	Any responses appreciated.
	Email to dave@voyager.austin.ibm.com 

dave
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From: diverson@phys.ksu.edu (David Iverson)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: define adventure
Date: 21 Jan 1993 16:46:08 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: bose.phys.ksu.edu

In <30238@optima.cs.arizona.edu> evans@cs.arizona.edu (Richard C. Evans) writes:

>As Bilbo Baggins said, "Adventures make one late for dinner."

Or as my friend turned me on to saying, "Adventure puts holes in things,
backpacks, boots, fuel bottles, people, etc..."

Simple pleasures like a quiet, smooth river to paddle on or a sun-washed
quiet knob to lounge on ring my bell much more than ADVENTURE!

-David Iverson


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