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From: jim.wray@cutting.hou.tx.us (Jim Wray)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Hand-loads for defens
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:21:56 GMT
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525

Russ Kepler wrote:

[hoping the moderator will allow a little latitude here since I don't have
access to tpg yet]

RK>Subject: Re: Hand-loads for defense (was Re: Occasional Dud in Glock 20)
RK>Date: 27 Aug 92 02:37:46 GMT

RK>If you should happen to have to fire in self defense it's likely that
RK>you will go to court.  "Going to court" isn't a simple matter of
RK>showing up at a trial and making a statement, allowing a few folks to
RK>mull it over and waiting for a thumbs up (or down) - it's a whole hell
RK>of a lot more involved.

RK>Believe me - I just spent better than 2 million dollars in a civil
RK>action.  It wasn't all my money, but better than 20% of it was, and
RK>that hurts.

        ....much interesting stuff deleted....

This is a horror story that has every chance of being duplicated *many*
more times in the future as our judicial system tends more and more to
be only interested in the "rights" of the criminal.

How in the world does a poor slob like myself who has spent nearly everything
he has ever made in raising five kids and maintaining a home where the wife
was able to stay at home handle something like this? If I'm forced to
defend my home and a worst case scenario occurs where I am *have* to use
deadly force, what do I do...get put in the hole because *I* don't have
that kind of money and probably couldn't get it (at least in time to do any
good). Without the slick lawyers to help me as they help the vermin, I'm
in a world of hurt.....more so since I am one of those evil gun-nuts and was
obviously looking to play Rambo.

Does anyone else have similar concerns...this can't be news....I've been
aware of this kind of stuff for a long time and this is just the latest
(and perhaps one of the "worst") cases that illustrate the current insanities.

Maybe firearms enthusiasts should form some sort of insurance collective or
maybe the NRA ought to consider offering something to it's members (at some
additional cost, of course) and/or make available those lawyers who are
"good in this area and sympathetic to our cause"....I wouldn't have the
slightest idea who to turn to for such legal help in a situation of this sort.

My feeling is that it's gonna get worse before it gets any better.

Am I over-reacting to a "non-problem"?
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From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: suggested weapons (was: Killing burgla
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:03:06 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


[Forwarded out of misc.consumers.house, since some people over there are
bitching about this thread.]

In article <1992Sep03.013517.19092@slammer.UUCP> brad@slammer.UUCP (Brad Isley) writes:
#In article <180auiINNkh@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
#>In article 4913@henson.cc.wwu.edu, n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
#>>
#>>Revolvers are just aim and fire, no fiddling with safties, etc.
#>
#>Which you may want to consider if you have children around.  A pistol
#>can be stored with a full magazine (clip) nearby, even if a separate
#>drawer or whatever, and is almost completely child-proof.  With
#
#OK, class.  Let's try this again.
#
#All together, now.  Say, "speedloader."
#
#I thought you could.

Forgiveness, but what's a speedloader?
From: sporay@adm.brl.mil (Ralph Sporay)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Beretta 92 problems
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:32:46 GMT
Organization: Ballistic Research Lab (BRL), APG, MD.




Thats it I can't take any more! The truth is that the Seals did use hot
ammunition in their Berettas. They continue to use weapons and demolitions
with out regard for safety, and many team members have paid for this
stuipidy. Rich Marchinko is an advocate of the Seals and would never
admit to the extra-hot ammunition or the stuipidy. Many have bought
his book thinking they can learn more about the Seals, the fact is that
the book is not accurate. The last I heard of Marchinko was that he was
scheduled to speak at a Navy war college seminar, the Navy decided to
cancell his visit.

sporay@brl
From: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: .40 s&w questions
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:58:10 GMT
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH

As quoted from <1992Aug25.235550.21651@nsc.nsc.com> by nsc!jrr@decwrl.dec.com (Jerry Roe):

# In article <9208191756.AA17991@relay1.UU.NET> gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) writes:
# #Yes.  There was in an ad for it in American Handgunner, several months
# #ago.  It's designated the model 100, as I recall.  One thing about it,
# #and I think this is true of all Taurus clones of the Beretta, is that
# #they have a 3-position safety-decocker.  I forget the ordering of the
# #positions, but remember misgivings about hitting the safety too hard in
# #a tense situation and ending up with weapon unable to fire.
# 
# Hmm.  I don't own any DA semi-autos, but when you have a DA pistol and
# de-cock it, isn't all that's required to fire it just simply pulling the
# trigger through?  (Assuming a round is chambered, which is implicit in
# de-cocking.)  Isn't that the whole idea behind DA semi-autos?  Granted,
# you'd have to cycle the trigger again, but I don't see how the weapon
# would be *unable* to fire.

The new safety on the Taurus is a three position device in the same location
as the original and the safety on the M1911A1.  Up is safe, a la Colt.  In the
middle is fire.  Down is decock.  On some of the examples that I've seen, the
lever doesn't rebound from the decock position and pulling the trigger will not
cock the hammer until the lever is raised.  On the other hand, others that
I've seen rebound, preventing such an accident.  I think it could be that the
99s don't rebound and the 101s do.  All of them SHOULD.  I think it's a good 
system, so long as the rebound feature is included.  I don't see why it
couldn't be added to an M1911A1 type pistol.


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From: jd@latcs1.lat.oz.au (John Dimogotsis)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: REQUEST for info on "Ruger Speed Six".
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:16:35 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia


	Can anyone comment on the handling and accuracy of the 
	"Ruger Speed Six" from his/her personal experience?
	(recoil in particular)			Thanks.
From: jheath@fieldofdreams.npirs.purdue.edu (Jim Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: .40 s&w questions
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:09:53 GMT
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University

#From article <1992Aug29.215146.19850@crash>, by jca@crash.cts.com:
# In article <9208290548.AA16254@outmail.microsoft.com> alane@microsoft.com (Alan Ezekiel) writes:
# #bbx!bbxrbk!russ@unmvax.cs.unm.edu (Russ Kepler) writes:
# ##
# ##Rule #1 for gunfighting: Bring a gun.
# #
# #Quite true.  But does anybody know rule #1 for KNIFE fighting?
# #
# #Bring a gun!   :-)
# 
# No, keep the perpetraitor at least 7 yards away from you so you can
# ready your gun.  A gun is ineffective at distances less than 7 yards if
# the gun is holstered.
#

Unless you're Rob Leatham, Jeff Cooper or one of the top ten (or
so) IPSC shooters ;-{).  Actually, my first choice would be to
not go ;-{)........
-- 
"Land of song, said the warrior bard,           Jim Heath
Though all the world betrays thee.
One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard, (The Minstrel Boy)
One faithful harp will praise thee."         (Thomas Moore)
From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: What are some famous actor's guns (i.e. James Bond's Walther)
Date: 26 Aug 92 02:14:30 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <1992Aug25.055441.18967@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au> ghm@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Geoff Miller) writes:
#mbh@sdphu1.ucsd.edu (Matt Harrington) writes:
#
##Perhaps some readers know the types of guns used by movie characters. 
##An example is that James Bond frequently uses a Walther PPK, if memory
##serves me correctly.
#		    Beretta .25, model unspecified
#		    Colt .45, long barrel
#		    S&W Centennial .38 Special
#		    Walther PPK
#		    Savage 99, .250/3000
#		    Sniper rifle (can't remember make) in Living Daylights
#		    Other guns used in the John Gardner books, but
#		    they don't count (IMHO, of course).

		If Fleming didn't use it, it don't count. ;-)

##How about others such as:

(Will Rogers's name removed; he used ropes, and a sharp wit, not guns :-)

##		John Wayne's characters
#		    Nominally a Colt .45 (in most cases), actually
#		    I think it may have been a Great Western replica

Don't forget yer Winchesters. 

##		Detective characters

Oh, Geoff, how could you forget this one:
		Mike Hammer
		    Colt 1911 (A1?) .45ACP
Or this one ;-)
		Thomas Magnum
		    Colt 1911A1

						James

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From: berenson@cookie.enet.dec.com (If you think software is complex, try relocating!  28-Aug-1992 1602)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: re: Interesting news from Colt
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:38:23 GMT

The whole purpose of the new 1991A1 was to provide a better (lower cost)
base for full-house customization than the standard Series 80.  With the
standard Series 80 you were paying for a high-price polish/blue job that
is ruined in the full-house customization, better sights that are
generally replaced, etc.

The new "Enhanced O-Frame" guns come with all the basic modifications
normally done to a combat-ready 1911.  The magwell is beveled for more
reliable reloads, it has a beavertail grip safety, the ejection port is
scalloped for more reliable ejection, etc.

I don't view the announcement as a big deal.  Well, yes I do.  It's about
time that Colt made the Series 80 more suitable for defensive use right
out of the box.  They've done that, and left the 1991A1 for the
traditionalists and people planning to do customization.

By the way, there is also a rumor of a blued 1991A1 coming down the road.
.............................................................................

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From: lucifer@world.std.com (Kevin S Green)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Weapon naming competition (FOR REAL!)
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:27:21 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

In article <01GO9XXRQ9FM9QWQ5N@Levels.UniSA.Edu.Au> xabaea@levels.unisa.edu.au writes:
{edited for brevity}
|
|
|British Aerospace Australia has just produced a markedly superior FLIR (forward
|looking Infra-Red) system for helicopters operating in a tropical environment.

|The only trouble is, we can't think of a catchy product
|name for it, suggested names are things like "night-scanner", "view finder"
|and that sort of thing.

{criteria deleted}

X-TARGETS 

The X refers to competition shooting...center of bullseye
TARGETS =

      Tropical
      Arena
 infraRed
      Guidance
      Enemy
      Target
      Seeker or Stalker
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From: JJD118@PSUVM.PSU.EDU (John Donovan)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: clay targets and throwing machines
Date: 29 Aug 92 23:41:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92242.133005JJD118
Organization: Penn State University

I've shot the champion and AA clays, and have less than 1-2 breaks per 100
thrown.  I use a hand thrower, at $4 it beat spending $40 on a mechanical
and I can throw them as fast as most mechanicals I have seen, pluss I can
realy vary how and where I put the target.

John Donovan JJD118@PSUVM.PSU.EDU JJD118@PSUVM donovan@WILBUR.PSU.EDU
Lab Attendant, Student consultant and Team Leader for Penn State University
  Well you're pretty good ol' son,
but just sit down in that chair right there
and let me show ya how its done
    - Charlie Daniels Band
From: rhoten@a.cs.okstate.edu (rhoten r p)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Rusting of Casting Pot
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:20:10 GMT

Here's a question for you expert bullet casters.  I
cast only once or so a month.  I use Marvelux to flux.
Well, the stuff fluxes great, but is hydro???? (that
word that means attracts water like fantastic).  By the
time I'm ready to cast again, my pot will be rusty
unless I drench it in WD-40 or other rust preventative
treatment.  Neither is a good thing - the particles of rust
plug the spigot (I have a bottom pour), while the oil
takes forever to burn off.  It stays in an outbuilding
that is heated and airconditioned, but just barely,
so the humidity is fairly high ( I also have trouble with
tools rusting).  I've thought of trying:
1. Sealing in a giant plastic baggie.
2. Putting dessicant in aforementioned baggie.
3. Or VPI paper.
4. Or using the new Bianchi rust bags (I'd have
   to splice a couple together.
5. filling the empty pot with loose dessicant.
6. Leaving the pot absolutely full with lead.
7. Bringing it in the house.
8. Changing fluxes.
Any thoughts from anyone who has experienced this problem.
r. p. rhoten
From: andy@sail.stanford.edu (Andy Freeman)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: 2" long 12 gauge shotgun shells
Date: 3 Sep 92 00:11:59 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organizatoin

The folks at Blammo sell them in 00 and #4 buck and a slug.  (The
slug round is 1 3/4 inches.)

Their phone number is (803) 882-1768.

I've never seen a blammo product, let alone used one; they just
sent me a catalog.

-andy
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From: storm@atlantis.cs.orst.edu (Mutant Wierdness)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Black Talon Bullets
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:08:30 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

dwc@philabs.philips.com (David W. Cuccia) writes:

#I was visiting my brother a while back, and found his July copy of Shooting
#Times. In it was an article about Black Talon bullets. I forget who the
#manufacturer was. The idea behing these bullets is a specially shaped jacket
#that expands on impact in such a way that small points of the jacket are
#extended at right angles to the bullet body. These bullets were said to incur
#serious wound channel damages to the target.

#My question is, has anyone else heard of these things? They're still in the
#experimental stage (supposedly). Are they really as effective as the article
#says? Have other magazines run similar articles on this bullet? I'm trying to
#get my brother to mail me a photocopy of the article, but until then, can
#anyone tell me the manufacturer of these bullets?


I think the company that made them went out of business. You can find them 
being liquidated by several mail order places. The Portland Police Bureau
[portland, OR] wanted them for thier new "duty rounds". They were not allowed
to buy and issue them because some city counselmen claimed that the name was
racist. i.e. "Black" talon. IMHO yeah, right! he can shove it. They are
GREAT rounds! They also lokk very impressive...

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From: mlf3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Matt Fante)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Reloading Presses
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:44:00 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Greetings,


	What is the best reloading press (under $300 with at least 1 die) that
will reload rifle and pistol cartridges.

	
	I'm interested in reloading the .40 S&W/10mm and .30-06 Spfd.

Matt


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From: bobwest%code3@uunet.UU.NET (Bob Westover)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Opinions sought on Ruger Mini 14/30
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:27:14 GMT
Organization: 3M HIS

In article <1992Aug31.043406.8591@news.eng.convex.com> cash@convex.com (Peter Cash) writes:
#In article <11933@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.com (Clayton Cramer) writes:
##
##In article <1992Aug26.133500.25522@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Bob.Smith@lambada.oit.unc.edu (Bob Smith) writes:

[much discussion on the topic of Mini-14 vs AR-15 deleted]

#
#Still, I don't feel that I need a battle rifle, and I don't feel
#under-armed with the Mini-14. Maybe someday when I'm rich, I'll trade up to
#an AR-15.  ...  
	What if you NEED one before you become rich?

#
##The SKS is about 1/4 the cost of a Mini-30, fires the same ammunition, 
##and is accurate enough for any sort of home defense use. Besides, at 
##that cost, you buy two of them, and have a spare available if the 
##first one is damaged.
	Nah, buy 10 or 20 and supply all your neighbors when the next
	LA-type riot comes to a neighborhood near you.

#
#The SKS is indeed very rugged, and is indeed a real battle rifle. I don't
                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^
	Somehow I never equated the SKS to a battle rifle;  caliber
	is too wimpy, not enough energy. When you think battle rifle,
	think major caliber, at least 7.62x51 (.308 Win).

#think its handling characteristics are as ergonomic as the Mini-14, though.
#Somehow, the SKS and the AK-47 just don't feel like real rifles to
                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^
	You mean like an M1 Garand, M-14, FN-FAL, HK-91, etc...
	Maybe it's because the AK-47 is the semi-auto version of
	a REAL assault rifle which is: a) select-fire, b) detachable
	box magazine, c) carbine sized, and d) fires a caliber
	intermediate between a sub-machine gun and a battle rifle.
	Therefore, the SKS cannot be a genuine battle rifle because
	of caliber and size constraints.

#me...irrational, I know. If I can't have an AR-15, I'll stick to my
#Mini-14. 
	As long as it functions, it's better than throwing rocks.

#-- 
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#Peter Cash   |       (apologies to Ludwig Wittgenstein)      |cash@convex.com
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#

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From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Stupid shooter tricks
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:43:33 GMT
Organization: Western Washington University

forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona) writes:

#There was a store in the Arizona Republic last year with a similar 
#situation.  A 16 yr old boy was sitting in his room playing with
#a bullet (I think it was a 9mm or .45).  He hit the end of the 
#cartridge and it discharged sending the bullet throught the wall
#an into his mother (she was only mildly injured).  

	I don't understand how this could happen.  It seems to me that
the only possibilities would be:

	A)  The _case_ would fly back, away from the bullet, because 
the case is far less massive than the bullet.

	B)  The case would shatter, spewing hot brass chunks.


In either case, I would not expect the bullet to go anywhere.


I was trying to pry a .22 LR bullet out of the case once, and
I set the primer off (no suprise now).  The bullet went about
one inch, but I got some brass bits in my face and ringing ears.

Jim Del Vecchio
From: exuses@exu.ericsson.se (Stacy Scott,exu-xt-df,5959)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Shotgun
Date: 3 Sep 92 00:12:04 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems

Forsale:

Winchester Model Ranger         

12 gauge Autoloader with Winchoke tubes (Full, Modified, Improved Cylinder)
28" barrel with bead front sight and ventilated rib also
22" Slug barrel with rifle adjustable sights and tapped for scope.
 
Makes a great all-around hunting gun.
           
Price: $300

If you are not in Texas you will need to find an FFL.

Contact:  Stacy Scott                       Ericsson Network Systems
          Home: (214) 494-1007              Work: (214) 907-5959
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