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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 09:12:28 LCL
From:         Bridget Rutty <SYSBXR@SUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Tracking Software utilization. How?

On Tue, 7 Apr 1992 10:17:07 LCL Jan B. Wilson said:
>Tracking modules is interesting.  (Wonder about saved segments.)

For the most part tracking modules can be done by creating an
exec with the same name and then executing the module with
address command.  There are only two products I have done this
to which failed.  One is VMSECURE and that didn't exactly fail,
it just made the commands Mike uses agonizingly slow.  The other
is PIPE.  When using PIPE in an exec it must be prefixed with
address command in order to set rexx variables.  If one then
prefixes pipe with exec to get the usage call, it  doesn't set
the rexx variables.

Once we are using LINKER to link product disks, pipes will be the most
frequently used product.  Each disk linked involves at least 9
executions of pipe.

If you think it would be worthwhile to capture this information
I'll ask Nick about it.

>
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>We did a CMS mod to LOADMOD to send an SMSG to a disconnected server.
>There is currenly code to only do this for modules off selected disks
>(based upon the disk's label).  We also have mods in many EXECs to do
>the same.  The contents of the SMSG are fairly arbitrary, though we
>have some specific formats we use.  The server is written in ASSEMBLEr
>and could do most anything with the incoming data.  Ours currently
>time/date/cpuid stamps each incoming record and PUNCHs it as a part of
>an MVS job.  The job gets closed off automaticly each day at midnight.
>We collect the data over the month and then run bunchs of analysis on
>the data.
>
>If I were writting one today I think the data collection portion would
>continue to be via mods to CMS, and would include more than just
>LOADMOD (usage of TXTLIBs during LOAD/INCLUDE, running EXECs off the
>Y-disk, etc).  I think the server could be wiped off in no time using
>PIPEs today.
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 13:15:28 EDT
From:         "Nick Gimbrone (WIRDI)" <NJG@CORNELLC.CIT.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Tracking Software utilization. How?

We did a CMS mod to LOADMOD to send an SMSG to a disconnected server.
There is currenly code to only do this for modules off selected disks
(based upon the disk's label).  We also have mods in many EXECs to do
the same.  The contents of the SMSG are fairly arbitrary, though we
have some specific formats we use.  The server is written in ASSEMBLEr
and could do most anything with the incoming data.  Ours currently
time/date/cpuid stamps each incoming record and PUNCHs it as a part of
an MVS job.  The job gets closed off automaticly each day at midnight.
We collect the data over the month and then run bunchs of analysis on
the data.

If I were writting one today I think the data collection portion would
continue to be via mods to CMS, and would include more than just
LOADMOD (usage of TXTLIBs during LOAD/INCLUDE, running EXECs off the
Y-disk, etc).  I think the server could be wiped off in no time using
PIPEs today.
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:46:07 EDT
From:         Hugh Kelsea Moore <MOORE@GE1VM.SCHDY.GE.COM>
Subject:      Re: No system console when IPL
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              7 Apr 1992 14:34:00 EDT from <GEORGEH%MSU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>

I seem to remember that VM would load a low order 5  in low core (x'0')
if the system console wasn't found.  In any case, display low core and find
out why the IPL failed.

Hugh Kelsea Moore
Lead System Programmer
Knolls Atomic Power Laboratory
Schenectady, New York
(518) 395-4880
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Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 17:17:17 EDT
From: Spyros D. A. Antoniou <SDA106@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: RBROWSE Module or SOURCE

I am looking for the source of the RBROWSE program (ReaderBrowse) anybody
has it available, the RBROWSE MODULE I have does not run on the VM/XA
environment over the line.

   Thanks for any responses,
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:39:12 EST
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD@AKRONVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: help
              8 Apr 1992 13:17:01 EST from <MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU>

KAT, from what I read in the paper this morning, Iran and Libya are the
places Carson wants to send Jay Leno's producer/manager.  WOW, fireworks!

On a slightly more serious topic, will Tsongas get back into the race
after the primaries yesterday?

Evelyn
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 09:37:09 EDT
From:         GE777009@BROWNVM.BITNET
Subject:      one redneck on gun control and hunting

howdy. i came in a little late on the gun control/hunting/killing snails
debate, so forgive me if i have left out any of the
particulars...(i was getting my rebel flag pressed for my
pickup truck...)

First off, let us be reminded of the age old addage: Guns don't
kill people, people kill people.  I understand that
people basically are against killing other people.  And
that some people are against  killing animals, for whatever
reason. And then there are people who have no regard for
life, but this is all kind of irrelevent.

here's my bottom line. There should be gun control. For
guns that are not used in hunting, like handguns,
semiautomatic machine guns, and things of that nature.
I don't believe that the NRA has a leg to stand on when
they say that you need a machine gun to hunt ducks.

I agree with whomever it was who said that the only thing
a gun is used for is to shoot things. That's true. So, i guess
that means that logic must be used for all markmanship tools,
like Archery...I don't believe that hunting is the root of all
evil, probably because i grew up hunting, but never killing.
I'm a pretty good shot though, and if i had to kill my own meals,
i would hunt the elusive pizzabeast, because i don't like venison,
and certainly shooting cows is hardly sporting.  Sure, there
were jerks in town who belonged to the jacklighting school of
hunting, but even these folks used every part of the animal...

So, what was the argument again? was it that hunting is a bad thing?
or that guns are a bad thing? or that killing things is bad?
or that killing people is wicked bad...?

Jenna "a little bit of annie oakley here in the wilds of RI"

PS...is fishing evil too? that sport fishing where all those
rich business men go out and hunt tuna and shark and stuff?
or the fishing where you go and sit in the middle of a still
pond with a waterlogged worm at the end of your line...?
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:00:00 EDT
From:         ANDREW ALLEN <E7L8ALL@TOWSONVX.BITNET>
Subject:      Rambo 'n andy

What is the sound of one knee jerking?

andy responds to my posting lyrical content of a song which makes fun
of a fringe group of gun owners...

>>"Trigger Happy"

>And to think that there's currently a discussion about the evils of
>unjustified negative portrayals of some group....  Unjustified
>negative characterization is wrong unless it is done to "them" and
>then it's "can't you take a joke"*.  The principle involved is
>obvious.

>It really is a culture war.

First, it is different to poke fun at someone because of something that
they posess as opposed to something that they *are*.

Second, gun owners enjoy the benefits of a legal status that some take
issue with the breadth of the interpretation; since I presume that you
were primarily referring to the homosexual portrayal issue, homosexuals
are seeking to attain the rights guaranteed them (like every other citizen)
by the constitution, but are not currently enjoying.

Third, there is a greater balance in (media) portrayals of gun owners/users
(think of all the cop movies featuring cops using their weaponry heroically)
than of homosexuals.


>* - The song IS funny, but so is Amos and Andy....

It *has* to be, how insulting would it be prudent to be to a well-armed
crowd? B)

I assume that Jay will probably take umberage at this and point
out that most gun owners don't have carry permits, do some patriotically
correct math, and state that gun owners aren't really well armed because
they are only really *armed* 30 percent of the time. B)


>-andy

-other Andy
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:26:12 CDT
From:         Jay Steven Sultan <sult@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Where's the politics in POLITICS??

Mr. Heidlage:

If you think that one can have politics without ideology, then you have a
unique view of man's attempt to govern.  Without ideology, what meaning do
elections have?

Mabye Bush is a capitalist working for a better world.  Mabye he is a
sadistic butcher.  This is a matter of ideology, not fact.

If this last can be used to bridge the lack of understanding that exists
between, say, homosexuals and others, then it has a noble purpose.

Busedes, we do the forcasting stuff also.  It is all the same, you see.  You
will find that people's projections of future elecvtions is motivated by
their ideology.

Jay Steven Sultan                 Internet: sult@quads.uchicago.edu
University of Chicago

"I smoked pot, but don't worry, I didn't inhale."  - Bill Clinton
"I shot heroine, but don't worry, I missed the vein." - man at Clinton rally
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:58:37 -0700
From:         Andy Freeman <andy@SAIL.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Speech, Arms, and Ben Franklin

>Not true.  One of the specific purposes of guns is killing/
>wounding people/animals.  The other two purposes that I can
>think of are target practice and collecting.  Can you think
>of any other purpose(s), (saving propelling projectiles :-) ?

Apart from decorative uses, the purpose of guns is to propel
projectiles.  That purpose can be put to different uses.  One can
propel projectiles to make holes in (or break) targets.  One can
propel projectiles to murder someone, or to stop someone who's
attacking yourself or another.  (Some killing is bad, but other
killing is better than the available alternatives.  Guns don't care
any more than cars do about how they're used.)  One can also use a gun
to make a credible threat involving propelling projectiles; again,
that can be good or bad.  One can also use a gun to feel secure; fire
extinguishers share that purpose.  (The last two are mental "uses",
but can't exist without the physical property of being able to propel
projectiles.)

-andy
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 11:16:43 EST
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD@AKRONVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: liberal intelligensia

On Mon, 6 Apr 1992 09:35:50 CDT fred said:
>I have noticed that Jay often refers to the liberal intelligensia but
>never to the conservative intelligensia. Does this mean that the two
>terms are mutually exclusive?
>
Not at all; remember William Buckley, Fred Barnes, George Will, and
P. J. O'Rourke.

Evelyn
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 23:52:00 CDT
From:         Jay Steven Sultan <sult@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Daed political prisoners?

marrou was arrested for trying to crash a debate.  I am not supprised he was
let out.  We don't have political prisoners in this country.

Jay Steven Sultan                 Internet: sult@quads.uchicago.edu
University of Chicago

"Type faster."    - Issac Asimov (?-1992), when asked what he would do if he
                    knew he only had six months to live.
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 01:16:54 CDT
From:         Jay Steven Sultan <sult@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject:      EuroDisney
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              gaw3@UCHIMVS1.BITNET, crc2@UCHIMVS1.BITNET,
              jhopkins@cbacc.cba.uga.edu, bfb1@UCHIMVS1.BITNET,
              dgh@edsi.plexus.com, goldstne@athena.mit.edu

Last week, another example of the US's greatest export opened outside Paris.
American culture is so popular all over the world that it is easily our
biggest export industry.

And now we have FrogLand, without daniel Boone (all the french keep trying to
surrender to him).  While the intellectual elitist lament the arrival of
american culture, their kids are having a grand time at the park.

I wonder if it occurs to any of these intelectuals that there would be no
demand for american culture in their countries if their indigenous culture
wasn't so god awful?

Well, I expect that EuroDisney will become a target of terrorism.  A group of
students here at Chicago have a fairly good history in predicting such
things.

Besides, with the onset of German hegemony in Europe, it really is a smaller
world after all...

Jay Steven Sultan                 Internet: sult@quads.uchicago.edu
University of Chicago

"Entitlement does not lead to Empowerment."   Jay Steven Sultan
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 20:48:45 EST
From:         renee <RLLESS00@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      limits on federal campaigns

Suppose you have  federally regulated campaign elections. How do you decide
how much each race would get?
Is a Senator's race worth more than a Congressman, or a President?

 -Renee
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:13:05 CDT
From:         Jay Steven Sultan <sult@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject:      Victory for America, Loss for UAW
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              gaw3@UCHIMVS1.BITNET, crc2@UCHIMVS1.BITNET,
              jhopkins@cbacc.cba.uga.edu, bfb1@UCHIMVS1.BITNET,
              dgh@edsi.plexus.com

Along with the other bad news for the left (you know, the fall of communism,
the success of reaganomins, 4 of 5 national elections, etc) UAW forced a bad
position into a worse position and lost.

UAW lost, plain and simple.  Cat wins.  America Wins.  The employees win,
especially the union workers that were out on strike.  The only loosers are
the fat cats who run organized crime, er, labor.

With a flood of qualified applicants for replacement jobs, massive defections
of the picket lines, and a complete lack of sympathy from the middle class of
america, the UAW gave up unconditionally, taking an offer that Cat had put on
the table foour months ago.  This is the same plan that the UAW rejected just
three days ago.  This is the same plan that the UAW refused to let the
workers vote upon, in fear that they would approve it.

Cat has benefited in other ways.  They will only take back about 80% of the
workers, while they reduce the size of their workeforce (it is amazing how
few non-union people it takes to do the same job) and hire some of the new
applicants who are far better suited than those on the union roles.

The anti-union movement will go too far, and then it will be management that
once again wears the black hat.  But we are a long way away.

Oh, and isn't good that President Clinton, Brown, LaRouche and the others
didn't have a chance to pass the anti-business law that would have ensured
not only the continuation of the strike and the destruction of Cat, but the
loss of all those jobs as well.

Thank you democrats, for drafting laws that make a terrible situation even
worse.

Jay Steven Sultan                 Internet: sult@quads.uchicago.edu
University of Chicago

"Entitlement does not lead to Empowerment."   Jay Steven Sultan
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From: ncovey@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (neil covey)
Subject: Brown's records
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 14:17:24 GMT

Question for those who know something about the inner workings of
Brown's campaign.  Does he keep accurate records of his donors?  Is he
bound to list all donors who give him $100? (ok, two questions).  He had
a pretty bad night last night.  He lost Wisconsin and Minnesota, states
where he was supposed to have a good chance of winning.  He finished
third in a two-man race in NY and fourth (possibly fifth) in a two-man
race in Kansas.  To top it off he had spent as much, if not more, money
in NY as Clinton.  His treasury must be pretty bare.  And I doubt he'll
continue to get the free air time he's been getting.  Which all leads up
to a third question:  If someone gave him $100 in Feb. and writes a $100
check in April to "Brown for President" does that someone get his check
back when the campaign receives it?  Or to rephrase the question: Does
Brown's campaign have the wherewithal to monitor its contributions to
make sure it is getting $100 and no more from any contributor?  A fourth
question: Do the Unions and other organizations who endorse Brown use
money to further their own independent campaigns for him-- as did, for
instance, an "independent" group which used "soft money" to make the
Willie Horton ads for Bush in '88?
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 09:41:00 EST
From:         "Peter J. Schledorn" <UNCPJS@UNC.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Thoughts?

> I agree with Kerry about
>
> 1) the enforcement of the SC ruling keeping unions from spending the money
> they
> force from non-members trying to elect democrats

I would like to point out that this money is payment for services
rendered by unions to the employee.  The unions are forced to be
representatives for ALL employees in a shop, members or non-members.
The composition of the unit is set up by the NLRB, if necessary.
The payment (equal to union dues, though it doesn't involve membership)
prevents non-members from freeloading on the work of the union reps,
not paying for the expenses of the union while still getting the
contract benefits.

BTW, the unions don't "force" the money out--the law does.

And I also agree that the timing is purely political.  Bush has had
since 1988 to set up these rules.  But if he had announced them last
year, say, the unions would have had enough time to get their new
procedures running smoothly.  Now, they cause the maximum disruption
to the other side.

Best,
Peter

> Jay Steven Sultan                 Internet: sult@quads.uchicago.edu
From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner)
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Subject: Re: Tsongas Again?
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:18:07 GMT
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In <CMM.0.90.2.702198423.sult@quads.uchicago.edu> sult@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Jay Steven Sultan) writes:

>It would seem the Speedo king is about to do a Gary Hart.
>No, the women of Mass are safe and he doesn't plan to take a 180 degree
>reversal of his [policies.
>But, he announced to day that he would re-enter the race for the Democratic
>nomination in 1992.

Not a suprise. He has been hinting that for some time now. Stepping down
for the New York primary saved him a lot of money and grief at the hands
of Clinton's propaganda people and still og thim 29%.

>This is not an April Fools joke.  He placed one small condition on his
>return, though.
>He wants the democratic leadership to endorse him, first.  When Ron Brown and
>Ted Kennedy not only endorce his presidency, but agree to his economic
>principles and plans, he will come back.

Oh that is cute. But it does make sense. Tsongas' campaign got into
trouble in the first place when people like Tom "Bank? What Bank?" Foley
and other Democratic Party 'leaders' snubbed his candidacy and said he
didn't have a chance at the convention. Of course, Tsongas would be out
for major reform in the party if he won so they are just protecting their
pathetic jobs.

I agree with your deleted commentary on Tsongas' chances of getting his
endorsement. Not a chance in hades. It is too bad but if he doesn't get
some party support he can't win so why re-enter the race without it.

It also saves Paul the trouble of making the decision himself :-)

>Still, anything you Tsongas supporters want to do to ensure the re-election
>of Bush is fine with the sadow government.

Sure, beating Tsongas would look so much better than beating Clinton. Not!
The Democrats have yet to field a winning combination.

-Geoff
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 be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 07:17:53 EST
From:         K=A*T <MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: gun control again?
              12 Apr 1992 18:23:44 -0700 from <andy@SAIL.STANFORD.EDU>

From:         Andy Freeman <andy@SAIL.STANFORD.EDU>

> A self-defense "expert" who says that guns aren't useful for
> self-defense is lying, ignorant, or stupid.  The victimization stats
> show that folks who use guns for self-defense are significantly less
> likely to be killed or injured than people who submit.  Submission is
> associated with less injury/death than using other weapons*, but that's
> not relevant to the "are guns useful?" question.

Could this be as a result of the TYPE of people who would use gun
as self defense as opposed to the fact that they use the gun for
self defense?  In other words, is it possible that the same group
of people would less likely to be killed even if they did not use
a gun for self-defense?

> -andy

> * - If you lump guns in with other weapons, you find that "all
> weapons" is associated with more injury/death than submission, but....

But what?  Is this a game you are playing?  Why are you spitting
out info in small quantities.  I think we (at least I) agree that
you have more info on this subject than the rest of us.  So please
stop toying with us and tell us but what..........

--KAT
From: acm@Sun.COM (Andrew MacRae)
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Subject: Re: Term Limits
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:40:45 GMT
Reply-To: acm@Sun.COM (Andrew MacRae)
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In article <01GIVCYNPV5U8WYLQQ@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU>, KILBURN@WVSVAX.WVNET.EDU writes:
 > Interesting point.  I remember hearing, way back in high school civics, I
 > think, that our founding fathers intended the Senate, with its longer terms
 > , to be the real power in the legislative branch.  It would consist of
 > reasonably wealthy, educated, upper-class types, while the House would be
 > composed of the "little people".  A cynical view, but I don't know but what
 > it makes some sense.


I have a vague recollection of something like that as well, but the
years have obscurred it.

Could it be that the reason the Founding Parents made no mention of
term limitations was that they just could not concieve of anyone
daft enough to wish to spend their entire adult life in congress?

						Andrew MacRae
						
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