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From: elsonliu@leland.Stanford.EDU (Liu)
Subject: Re: What a crappy Championship game
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 07:03:50 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.205438.7465@talon.ucs.orst.edu> navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre -- Botany and Plant Pathology) writes:
>Duke-Fab5 sucked. What a letdown. In fact, what a lousy final 4.
>A few more games like this and the Final 4 will be just like the superbowl--
>all hype followed by (more often than not) a pathetic game.
>

Actually, there was a problem in the women's championships where Stanford
basically won because of endurance, and not necessarily pure ability.
There was a quick turnaround between semifinals and finals, and W. Kentucky
couldn't recover from their marathon (3 hour +) game, while Stanford was
prepared with a rigorous conditioning program under its belt.

Is it possible that the level of play in the men's finals had been
influenced by fatigue?


					.....Elson.....
From: burgin@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Robert Burgin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: WAS LAETTNER EVEN IN THE LAST 17 MINUTES LAST NIGHT???
Summary: Duke Wins It All!!!
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:13:20 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

In article <1992Apr5.184434.7210@ncsu.edu> bolton-b@sparc.ncsu.edu (Bennie) writes:
>Watching the Indiana-Duke game last night hopefully made all of us realize
>just how overrated Christian "Antichrist" Laettner is. ...
>we'll see Monday who rules when Michigan hands Duke the beating they so
>deserve.

	Sorry, Bennie.  I hope you watched the entire Duke-
	Michigan game, especially the second half, when Duke
	cranked it up a level and your friend Laettner got
	back into his game.

	Laettner's play in the first half of the title game
	and in the entire Indiana game just shows that even
	a great one can have a slump.  (And that Indiana
	can play serious defense on him.)  His 8 points
	against the Hoosiers marked the first time in 46
	games that he hadn't scored in double figures.

	First-team all-American, Player of the Year, leading
	scorer in NCAA tournament history, led his team to
	the first back-to-back NCAA titles in 19 years...
	Yeah, sounds overrated to me too.

	Get a life, Bennie!  Laettner's the best player to
	ever wear a Duke basketball uniform.

	--rb
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From: sbanerj@eos.ncsu.edu (Sanjeev Banerjia)
Subject: Re: SHAQ to Charlotte?
Reply-To: sbanerj@eos.ncsu.edu (Sanjeev Banerjia)
Organization: Project EOS - North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:42:18 GMT

This'll never happen as Charlotte doesn't have enough room under the salary
cap, and they don't have a lot of people they can unload/deal with i.e no one
really wants J.R.

Gidi, the idiot that ones the Hornets is George Shinn.  And, yeah, he is stupid
enough to think that Laettner can play center and draft him...

Sanjeev
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From: sbanerj@eos.ncsu.edu (Sanjeev Banerjia)
Subject: Duke: The Changing of the Guard is now official
Reply-To: sbanerj@eos.ncsu.edu (Sanjeev Banerjia)
Organization: Project EOS - North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:35:40 GMT

What's to say about the champs from Durham?!  I didn't think that they would
do it, as the season is a long one and who-knows-what can happen.  But they
did, in grand style to boot.

It's now official.  There has been a changing of the guard in college
basketball: Duke is now the best program in the land, head and shoulders above 
the rest.  The Blue Devils remarkable success has now relegated, IMHO, Dean
Smith, the inimitable Deano-meister, to the role of second-best coach in the
ACC, much less the nation.

Carolina fans can flame away, but they don't have enough ammo to counter Duke's
annual pilgrimmage to the Final Four and BACK-TO-BACK championsships.  Also,
those who've seen me most previously know that I harbor no latent anti-UNC or
pro-Duke biases.

Congrats to the 1991-92 Duke Blue Devil's, the greatest college team in the 
history of the ACC (yes, better than 81-82 Tarheels or 73-75 WolfPack!).

Sanjeev

P.S. Dov, does this mean you're gonna start a FOURPEAT sig?
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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: 1987 Iowa Hawkeyes
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:53:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.004118.21124@athena.mit.edu> bdlaugh@athena.mit.edu (Corn) writes:
>For those of you Bill Frieder fans, the Michigan-Iowa game that year was the
>game where CBS got the extra-close mugshot of Frieder yelling, "Hey Moe,
>you're a f***ing a**hole!  Tell Moe he's a f***ing a**hole!" after Jeff Moe
>intentionally fouled Glen Rice in the last few minutes.  The loss was
>painful, but the sight of Frieder chomping at the bit and shouting
>obscenities at a college player before a nationwide audience made me feel
>a little better.
>
>By the way, that's not to say old Bill wasn't right.  From what I heard on
>campus, Bill was right on target with the accusation.

	The Big Ten has had its share of foul-mouthed coaches over the years
	(and still does), but Frieder was the foulest of all.  His "You're
	a f***ing asshole" line was tossed at many a referee during his
	tenure, too.  I'll never forget him going into one of those tirades
	at Illinois a few years ago...

-- 
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| peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu    |
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Duke: The Changing of the Guard is now official
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 03:59:39 GMT

dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (david j warner) writes:
>Agreed. The 81-82 UNC team was one of the greatest in history in terms of
>talent (Jordan, Worthy, Perkins, etc.), which supports my argument that Mike
>Krzyzewski is a better coach than Dean Smith.  Smith always gets talented
>players that turn into NBA players (King Rice being the main exception), and
>he had a very talented team this year as well.  The fact that Duke has been
>to 6 of the last 7 final fours with less talent than Smith is a tribute to
>Coach K's coaching abilities.  A lot of people thought he would fall off after
>'86 and never return, but he continues to mold and shape not just excellent
>teams, but winning teams.  UNC wins, too, but in the last 7 years, they have
>2 ACC championships, 7 sweet 16s, and one final four.  Duke now has 3 ACC
>championships, 6 final fours, and 2 national titles.  Smith has one for his
>career, and he's a legend.

	I agree with most of your points -- except for the fact that Coach K
	has had less talent to work with since '86.  Maybe not less talent --
	but a different sort of talent -- the type that plays the Duke style
	of all.  Duke has had TONS of talent.  Here's a list of McDonald's
	All-Americans who have played over the years for Coach K:

	Johnny Dawkins, Tommy Amaker, Jay Bilas, Martin Nessley, Billy King,
	Quin Snyder, Danny Ferry, Christian Laettner, Crawford Palmer, Greg
	Koubek, Billy McCaffrey, Bobby Hurley, Grant Hill, Antonio Lang.
	Cherokee Parks, etc. (And probably some others I may have missed)

	Quite a group of players there.  But as U mentioned, Coach K has been
	able to put together the pieces to produce some great teams.

	Jazzy J
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: knight out at IU
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:08:17 GMT

burtonr@qso.Colorado.EDU (Richard Burton) writes:
>[...] try to get the attention
>of a bunch of college athlets by yelling "well gosh golly shucky darn,
>fellas! I'm so mad I could yell poop!" Well okay, granted you may get
>their attention, but...

There once was a college coach who never *ever* uttered a profanity.
When he would get really mad he would say ``Gracious Sakes Alive!''
Still, he got his players' attention enough to win 10 championships.

Of course, that was out in California.  Maybe in the Midwest attention
spans are shorter and profanities are necessary.

--Gidi

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From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: UK News
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:45:37 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Bytes: 

Local courts today ordered the University to make public its response
to the NCAA about its internal investigation into the NCAA charges of
a few years back. The report is about 4000 pages and includes the names
of those who gave testimony in the investigation. Future investigations
involving the NCAA around the country may be "chilled" because of this
outcome: fewer people may be willing to come forward with testimony if
they can expect their testimony to be made public. This is not altogether
a "bad thing" since it may cut down on frivolous or malicious accusations.
It will certainly make NCAA investigations more time consuming and 
expensive and may make the NCAA's "find anything" attitude more prevalent to
justify their time. I want to make clear that these are Kentucky courts
without jurisdiction in other states, but there is a lack of case law
on these questions and it is common practice in the courts to peek at
what other jurisdictions have done. Expect more details about this
in the future since there is no "dead horse" with more life to it than
this.
-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu>  
You know, there's many a damned fool woulda swallered that.
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Billy and Nantz
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:38:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr6.113837.10721
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin - Madison
Originator: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Apr6.153044.7408@u.washington.edu> mus@milton.u.washington.edu (Mustafa Patwa) writes:
>What about when Nantz said 'if Nick Van Exel and Jalen Rose were on the same
>team you'd have a real rock -n- roll backcourt; Exel Rose and Van Jalen.'
>He should do stand -up

Nantz doesn't bother me.  Sure, he isn't a real play-by-play man (he's a
Marv Albert wanna-be), but he wasn't obviously rooting for a specific team.
Packer, on the other hand, was a complete idiot.  Even if I was a Duke fan,
I would have been pissed off at his constant "Laettner, Laettner, Laettner"
while ignoring the great game Hurley was having.

Does anybody have a number for CBS Sports?
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Illini - crappy final four team
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:57:51 GMT

fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:
>>Can you think of any other college teams with 4 starters that went on
>>to play in the NBA?

>Several (this should be a FAQ, if we had a FAQ).
>Ohio State 1960 and 1961 (5 players)
>Indiana  1975-1976 (7 players in the NBA)
>I don't recall the year but Mitch Kupchak, Tom LaGarde, Walter Davis,
>Phil Ford, and John Kuester (briefly) all went to the NBA from North 
>Carolina
>and there was an Arizona St team which sent 5 players from what may
>be the most underachieving team in history. I can't recall immediately
>any of their names (the shooting guard for the Lakers was on that
>team).

	That Arizona St. Team:
	G - Byron Scott -- LA Lakers
	G - Lafayette Lever -- Dallas Mavs
	F - Sam Williams -- played for the Philly 76ers
	F - Kurt Nimphius -- played for Detroit Pistons, among others
	C - Alton Lister -- Golden St. Warriors

	A lot of talent -- but as it has been said before -- having a lot
	of pro talent doesn't translate into college success.

	Jazzy J
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From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Subject: Re: Net Basketball Talent (was Re: Duke Tourney Observations)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:57:58 GMT

> >In article <1992Apr10.184028.6292@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
> >>
> >>This brings up an interesting question:  how good are most of you net.gods
> >>at playing basketball?  What types of players are you?  And come on, be
> >>honest - no false claims.
> >

I'm not a net.god but I'll answer anyway.  Actually, I'm a net.wit
or was that nitwit?

What kind of a player am I?  The kind that understands the game
is played above the rim.  I establish my territory in the paint.
Rebounding is my thing.  At the awards ceremony the coach introduced
me like this:  "Eric Dieckmann.  He wasn't the tallest player
in the game but he always played like he was."  (At my age,
I live sports through my kids)  Eric is pretty damn good.

While I'm bragging about my kids, let me tell you a cute
Eric/basketball story.  If you can't take cute,
hit the 'n' key now.

Eric is is now 14. --  When he was 5, I took him to a basketball game
at the Meadowlands.  We arrived a little early and found our
seats.  Both teams were warming up; they had their jackets on.
One team firing up a dozen basketballs at one side of the
court and the other team doing the same at the other end.
The crowd is filing in and the organ player is playing
some music.  After about 5 minutes of this, Eric turns
to me and asks:  "Hey Dad, who's winning?"


-- 
"Listen up son, and pay attention.   |  Bob Dieckmann (rwd@mtfme.att.com)
How ya' gonna learn anything if you  |  GO: Mets (& dear old Rutgers)
always got your head in a book?"     |  GONE: Brooklyn Dodgers
                -- Foghorn Leghorn   |  **usual disclaimer**
From: crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Donta Bright/UMass/Dana Dingle
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:05:09 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <18458@ector.cs.purdue.edu> sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin) writes:
>}} In article <17497.29eb0e8f@ecs.umass.edu> mcglynn@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>}} 
>}} It looks like next year's front court should be all set.  I hope Coach Cal
>}} picks up a decent point guard before next season--I think that is where we
>}} are hurting....
>
>Well, Purdue has a couple to spare.  Apparently both Travis Trice and
>Linc Darner are thinking about transferring.  If you want a slow,
>steady player who shoots well from the outside, take Darner.  If you
>want a player who inconsistently shows flashes of brillance and drives
>well, take Trice.
>
>Of course, you'll have to wait a year to use them, but Trice could use
>a year of development anyway.  He should have gotten it this year, but
>Keady isn't patient enough.
>
>}} -- Mike McGlynn
>
>sjc@cs.purdue.edu             Steve Chapin             Today's Grammar Lesson:
>                      I advise that you take his advice.
>
>                      Beef:  Real food for a dead planet.

Well, we here at the UW want both of them.  As of right now, we only have
two guards on scholarship.  Two were kicked off the team and two others
have decided to transfer.  Furthermore, I heard on the news last night that
Coach Nance is not expected to announce any signings today (the first day
of the spring signing period).

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Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *  Earn cash in your spare time!
University of Washington      *  Blackmail your friends.
Seattle, WA 98195             *
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: knight out at IU
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 04:23:34 GMT

burtonr@qso.Colorado.EDU (Richard Burton) writes:
>And if we all hug, hold hands, and hope real hard all of the problems
>of the world will go away, right?

Burton, I didn't say that and you know that I didn't.  What's your
point then?  Anybody who doesn't feel exactly like you has to be a
new-age yuppie wimp?  Maybe it makes your world easier to deal with,
but it has nothing to do with me.

>Most people (especially those in California, that
>land that reality forgot) don't see or understand this. I realize
>that I am overgeneralizing here, but I don't care.

Yes, obviously you don't care about making sense or answering straight
or replying to what I actually wrote (as opposed to what you seem to
*think* that I wrote).

As for your implicit assumption that I am some kind of feelgood pop
psychologist from California, all I can say is, LOOK AT MY FUCKIN
NAME, you boob.  I come from the MIDDLE EAST, okay?  A region not
exactly known for being benevolent and laid-back.

As for your half-baked ideas on education -- well, we'll leave that
for some other time and place.

--Gidi
						I'm not angry.
						(Elvis Costello)

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From: mgarber@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Max D Garber)
Subject: Re: DUKE #1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:22:55 GMT

Amen boy-Duke is #1!

THE HYPEMAN
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From: kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge)
Subject: Re: Tournament Coverage
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 15:00:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.234805.3701@gw.wmich.edu>, x90sanson@gw.wmich.edu writes:
|> 
|>   In the Michigan game they spent all the game criticizing Michigan's strategy
|> and impotence and, sooner than they could handle it, Michigan was leading and
|> had the game won.

Yes, but the announcer's criticisms on Michigan were right on.  The team
was turning the ball over left and right, which resulted in many UC points
during the first half.  They were correct in noticing that.  Fisher realized 
this too and put Talley in to handle the point, because Rose was not handling 
the ball that great.  If Michigan's strategy was to play the kind of ball
they did in the first half (careless passes and lots of turnovers), then
the announcers had every right to criticize it.  I'm sure most Michigan
fans like myself were thinking the same thing (Stop turning the ball over!).  

I would also say that Michigan must play a better game tonight than they
did Saturday night if our team expects to beat Duke.  I don't think we'll
be able to get away with the kind of careless passing and numerous 
turnovers against Duke and still win like we did against UC.

-- 

Kevin H. Klinge
Bell Communications Research
kevink@soac.bellcore.com

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From: jbhuber@iastate.edu (Joseph B Huber)
Subject: Orr named president of NABC
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:59:04 GMT

Iowa State men's basketball coach Johnny Orr was named president of the
National Association of Basketball Coaches, a group consisting of several
thousand collegiate and high school basketball coaches. The appointment lasts
for one year. Orr has served as first vice president of the organization for
the past year.

Way to go Johnny !!

-- 
Joe Huber 
(jbhuber@iastate.edu)        | Capt. James T. Kirk on the 2nd law of thermo: 
Dept. of Mech. Egr.          |  "It's not a hundred percent efficient,
Iowa State University        |   but nothing ever is."
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Legend Bird
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:35:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1992Apr17.143535.31654
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Apr16.194339.17597@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Richard.S.Miyara@dartmouth.edu (Richard S. Miyara) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.192135.31002@uvmark.uucp>
>davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>
>> are career averages... So, with the likelihood of Bird not playing the
>> last 2 games, and this being his final year, he will apparantly be the
>> first one to ever accomplish this...
>
>I was curious if there were anything concrete about "this being his
>final year".  I have not seen / heard / read that this is going to be
>his last season, except for unsubstantiated speculation.  Do you know
>something I've missed ?  I was at the game in LA where they retired
>Magic's number, and 
>I found Bird's comment about it not being long before he too retired
>quite telling, but not definite.


Nothing concrete.  However, he has stated on many occasions that he would
not play in pain again.  Current rumours in town go from him not even 
returning for the playoffs to finishing the playoffs and not coming back.
It is possible that he will play next year, but no one really expects it to
happen.

-- 
David T. Meeks                    ||" Strange how laughter looks like crying
VMark Software, Inc.              ||  with no sound.
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  Raindrops taste like tears, without
davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||  the pain."
From: wakankar@egr.msu.edu (PUT YOUR NAME HERE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: CELTICS---AWESOME!!!!
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:13:29 GMT
Reply-To: wakankar@egr.msu.edu (PUT YOUR NAME HERE)
Organization: Michigan State University
Originator: wakankar@frith.egr.msu.edu

I think Celtics have peaked too early and problably would lose to Indiana in thefirst round
.
From: schulman@hydra3f.cs.utk.edu (NEIL WAYNE SCHULMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Oh yeah smartypants?
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:54:39 GMT
Reply-To: schulman@hydra3f.cs.utk.edu (NEIL WAYNE SCHULMAN)
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Tennesee, Knoxville
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra3f.cs.utk.edu

>All right!  another Bulls-hater!  I'm sick and tired of hearing about how high
>and mighty the bulls and jordan are!  Even though I live in the south east, 
>at least I can admire a basketball star who never had questions of gambling,
>infedelity, AIDS, depression, greediness, and that's Larry Bird, probably
             ^^^^
>still one of the hardest workers in the NBA!

>Neil

What's wrong with having "questions" with AIDS ?

Is this pure ignorence or are you one of those
discr...  type ?

P.S.  You may want to learn more about AIDS.

****************************************

Who said I don't know anything about AIDS?  All I was making a point about was that Larry doesn't currently have it (to the best of my knowledge) and that shows something about responsibility.  I was not speaking of Larry asking people about AIDS.  BTW, I am not ignorant, I be a Mensan, member # 1130662 with a 140 I.Q.,
so what's yours?

Neil
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