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From: slynn@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen G. Lynn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Obscene not from DPEREIRA
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:46:36 GMT
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business


It's rather disturbing that dpereira keeps referring to the "backwoods" of
 India, and waxes sarcastic about people worming their way out of these 
backwoods and then talking about the laws of "this great country", 
particularly the First Amendment. I'm not an expert, but doesnt the 
Indian constitution guarantee more or less as much freedom of speech as 
the (US, of course) First Amendment?! I'm pretty sure that the rather 
free speech on this network could have been just as free in the Indian 
"backwoods", (tho' of course, it might have provoked a riot or two.)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: editor@rbhatnagar.csm.uc.edu (digest editor)
Subject: alt.hindu Newsgroup
Organization: Univ of Cincinnati
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:33:20 GMT

As many of you know, alt.hindu a moderated newsgroup is now
online.  We welcome you to take a look at it and invite your
postings that are of general interest to our readership.  We post
the charter of this newsgroup for your information.

              Charter for alt.Hindu

We propose the formation of a moderated alt group, alt.Hindu
 
Hindu dharma (religious philosophy and way of life) is followed by over 650 
million people in the world.  Prominent among its teaching are the 
acceptance of various religious paths, and the sprit of universal family.

Although there is soc.religion.eastern, alt.Hindu will be different.  It will
be the forum to discuss various Hindu docterines as they are applicable to
day to day living.  Unlike soc.religion.eastern, it will also be used as
a forum to discuss various issues that affect Hindus living around the world.
These issues include, environmental awareness from the Hindu perspective, 
war and peace, human rights and participlation of Hindus in political process
to promote the universal ideals mentioned above.  It will also be used as a
forum for cultural news about Hindus from around the world.

This forum will also be different from soc.culture.indian (sci) because,
sci is more concerned with the issues affecting India, whereas alt.Hindu
will be of interest to the people from around the world who are eager to
learn about the Hindu dharma (religious philosophy + way of life) and culture.

Currently, the only other forum for promoting such a forum is a list
called the Hindu Digest (HINDU-D), however, there is overwhelming 
interest in having an alt group.

******************************************
Posted By: Editors of alt.hindu
editor@rbhatnagar.csm.uc.edu
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose)
Subject: Re: Bekel bela, Theker somoai
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:07:55 GMT



	THE CHANGRAS GET DRUNK
	----------------------

After drinking a bit they start talking bullshit .

Parthoda--> Ore aamar Chumki , kothae geli re tui ?

Deepokda--> Abey chup kor majnoo ka bachchaa , bokach%$ . 
	
Parthoda--> Hum to mohhabat karega , duniya se nahi darega .....

Samitda--> You gaaij shood laarn english laeek me and drink
		english beeyaar .

Nishitda-->(after drinking raashiaan Bhodkaa)
		Aamaader daabi mante hobe - mante hobe .
		MOOstaphar gand marte hobe-maarte hobe .
		DUNIYAR MOJDOOR........

Samitda--> Kothae galo ooi Pakistani gulo . Sob koetar pod mere rekhe
	   debo . 

Deepokda--> Ha ha ! Ki bolcho Samitda ?

Samitda--> Aare tui ki jaanish , saala koto Pakistanir daant-mukh
		bhenge diyechi .

Ruchirda--> Huh - haah ! Huh - haah ! Kothai gelo oi bihari phophot ta .
	   Aajke oke khoob maar maarbo . Huh - haah !

MOOstapha--> YAAAAAA HOOOOO !!  YAAAAA HOOOOO!!

Debda--> ( after drinking TRIPAAL EKSH RAAM ) JOY SHRI RAAM !
	I bhill phaak all the katuaj . I don't gibh a damn .
	You shood phaaeet phor your raaeethsh .




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From: an4234@anon.penet.fi
Subject: statistics - statewise representation in the indian army
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.indian
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:39:55 GMT

   Source: India Today Dec 15 1992

    States which contribute more than their population ratio:
    =========================================================

     Punjab               +12.16    
     Himachal Pradesh     + 3.73
     Haryana              + 3.10
     J&k                  + 1.87


    States which contribute less than their population ratio:
    =========================================================

     Bihar		  -5.90      
     W. Bengal            -4.15
     MP                   -3.39
     Andra Pradesh        -3.30




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From: yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: Indo-china issues, Sum lien
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:45:21 GMT
Organization: New York University

atulpule@sebastian.carleton.ca (Ajit Tulpule) writes:

>In <C0JM5M.4oA@cmcl2.nyu.edu> yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang) writes:

>[..]

>>TAM incident and CR (what the hell is Gulags?) are different from those 
>>religious wars, these
>>happened in a rapid changing society, when a complex system is facing
>>something new, we expect violent comflicts inside the system, it's
>                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>understandable for me.
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>So ! Expected violence is understandable and ratified is it ? Firstly
>the people are persecuted, killed, massacred. Then you say that that's
>fine because its "expected" inside your system. Pray tell me what else
>do you "expect" in your system ? Is cannibalism also to be "expected 
>inside the system" and thereby be considered "understandable" ?

I was only saying that it's understandable, I haven't said it's good or
bad. I have a lot of examples:  when some organ is transplanted to 
a living body, when a
country exposed to a new outside world, similiar things happens,
no matter you like it or not, you cannot help.

What I said is 'we expect violent conflicts inside the system', not
'violence', sure those conflicts might lead to violence, it seem that 
300 (?) years British government is not enough for a nation to adopt
English language fully.

>>The differnce is that China is changing, it's moving forward.


>And by how many TM squares has it moved forward ?

I don't understand 'TM'.

>>Ze Yang

>Ajit.

Ze Yang
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From: rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel)
Subject: Re: Indians should be wiped off the map
Keywords: stupid fucks
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 13:59:23 GMT

In article <1ibkr4INNcv9@discovery.ksu.ksu.edu> srmhbk@discovery.ksu.ksu.edu (Mohan Sayani) writes:

(a lot of nonsense from the heartland. Apparently another frustrated grad 
student with no life)

>Well I'm off to eat some of my great-great-great grandmothers 
>charboiled butt steak.  I love COW! 


Pray, tell! What is charboiled?????????


Rakesh Patel



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From: fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: Sneaky posts from women's net
Date: 11 Jan 1993 10:34:09 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu
Keywords: sleazeballs, sleazebuckets,poker,BIG JOB, Dating.

Susan Chako writes:
>I thought this was mildly funny when I read it, but since the followups
>seem to have taken it seriously, I must point out that this is a 
>complete fabrication by Mr Fafat, who appears to be eaten up with  
>curiosity about the discussions on the email list for Indian women.

	:) wrong. While I had expressed an interest in being an observer
	right in the beginning, it's too presumptuous of you to make that
	sort of a statement :)


>That it's a fake is obvious from the fact that the entire quoted
>discussion centers on men -- a patently male assumption that they 
>are the centerpiece of all female conversation, and also the topic
>most likely to excite discussion on sci.

	The former part is totally off mark but the latter one is bang on :)
	For the record, the above article was'nt written by me. btw, Susan,
	your argument is a non sequiter. I had already said that I've edited
	the originals and posted only those which are likely to attract the
	predominantly male readership on sci. That, in no way, conveys an
	"assumption" that males are the *centerpiece* of female discussions.

	FFT




Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
Subject: Re: TAJ MAHAL using ASCII char set
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date:  9 JAN 93 22:22:32    


In article <C0M2xr.62s@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, vtg1714@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Vishwanath Tirupattur  ) writes...
>Nice piece Selva.  
> 
>The BJP/RSS/VHP combine have actually a theory that the Taj Mahal was originally
>a Shiva temple - Tej Mahal.  Long time ago, I heard a Prof. Oak expound on the

	Sounds familiar psuedo-Secularists propaganda. Is Prof. Oak a member
	of BJP/RSS/VHP combine?

namaste,

-- Virendra Verma
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From: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Subject: Re: Kashmir massacre (?)
Reply-To: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:51:49 GMT

 mghayalo@uceng.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod) writes:
===================================================================

Javed I agree with you.  I have two questions for you.
1. Do you think that Kashmir should continue to hold its special
status? and why?
2. How should we counter Pakistan's aid to the terrorists in
Kashmir?

Thank you in advance.

Manoj
====================================================================


1. Personally, I support the scrapping of the special status. In that case
   this principle must be unformly applied all over the country. 
   Having said that I think that with so much bad blood it is doubtful if it is
   enough to solve the Kashmiri problem.    

    
2. The situation is bad and will take a long time to solve if it can be solved 
   at all. I'm no expert on matters of security and countering insurgency. But
   common-sense would dictate that the root cause for the continuing  
   aleniation is the indiscriminate handling of the common populace by security
   forces. If they are not going to sympathise with the common innocent people
   but treat all of them as terrorists, then the situation is bound to go out
of
   hand.

   Its obvious that there is a need for greater control and training which 
   needs to be imparted to the forces. And I'm not saying that this is easy to 
   do but IMO its imperative. Read the latest issue of India Today (Jan 15 
   issue) about custodial deaths and the latest report about the security
forces
   indulging in a massacre. What ever goodwill is gained is demolished by 
    such acts. Its very difficult to buildup goodwill and so easy to destroy
it.
   This incident should bring out exactly what I was talking about.

--Javed.
From: savel@hal.COM (Bharat Baliga-Savel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Instant coffee, Info req.
Keywords: Instant coffee
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:55:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HaL Computer Systems Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: gorn.hal.com

shenoy@iastate.edu (Shiva Shenoy) writes:


>In <1993Jan05.161653.17498@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> chakri@yesac.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Chakrapani.Avala) writes:

>>I would like to have some suggestions on instant coffee. I tried Nescafe,
>>Folgers etc.But I could't get the maza of Indian instant coffee.  I feel, the
                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
OOOooooooo! being a madrasi, i'd love to flame that

>>of Nescafe is different between Indian and US makes. Anybody had any idea of 
>>any brand(instant coffee), which has a taste near to Indian instant coffee. 
>>I highly appreciate your suggestions.

the best that ever came in the indian market was Sunrise by Nescafe. was really
good. this was way back in early 80's

>>Chakri.
>Try Nescafe - Mountain Brew. This is inexpensive (contains chicory, just
>like Indian coffee).

you may also want to try Hills Bros. "perfect balance" this is the Hills Bro.
blue coffee. as you mentioned nescafe, folgers don't cut the taste. the price
is in-between generic and Taster's Choice
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From: seetam@hub.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Uday Bhaskar Sarma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: .... ameena begum ...?
Date: 10 Jan 1993 01:56:20 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Isnt the word `begum' used only to address or refer to married women ?
(Among muslims)

So I was wondering if someone observant enough found the tru name
of `ameena begum', the teenage ``wife'' of a senile arab.

BTW, is the islamic marriage still valid for her, now that she may not ever
go to saudi arabia?
((Or am I underestimating the influence of shahabuddin, & naib imaam)).

the naib imam's name triggered this thought :- all the topmost religious
leaders of the major religions are higly prone to the foot-in-the-mouth
disease, having made many `inappropriate' statements, in today's
politically-correct-attitudes (PC) world. 


Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rroy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raja R Roy)
Subject: Re: President Sharma not signing govt. acquisition of site in Ayodhya
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:37:33 GMT


In article <1993Jan6.151759.10785@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com> gupta@mailhost.aa
.cad.slb.com (Sanjay K. Gupta) writes:
>
>Hi,
>
>Just got news from India.
>
>President Sharma is not signing the central govt. aquisition of the land near 
>disputed site.
>

     Thank god. We have a sensible president, who is not a boot-licking
 President like Boota Singh. What happens next? I guess President has to sign
 it if it is sent thrice.

  P.S. : Democracy has been murdered. Should it be cremated or should it be 
  buried ???

 Raja
>Sanjay K. Gupta
From: x92pathak@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: <None>
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:58:37 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

DEAR FRIENDS,

PLEASE HELP ME IN FINDING THE ADDRESS OF MY FRIEND ' JITESH AGRAWAL '

WHO IS RIGHT NOW FOR THE M.S. COURSE IN MECHANICAL ENGG. AT MISSOURI-COLUMBIA
AT ST. LOUIS.


KINDLY MAIL HIS ADDRESS TO MY E-MAIL ADDRESS- X92PATHAK@WMICH.EDU

THANKX IN ADVANCE.

NIMISH  616-387-5788
From: slynn@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen G. Lynn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Obscene not from DPEREIRA
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:32:35 GMT
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business

It's rather disturbing that dpereira keeps referring to the "backwoods" of India, and waxes sarcastic about people worming their way out of these backwoods and then talking about the laws of "this great country", particularly the First Amendment. I'm not an expert, but doesnt the Indian constitution guarantee more or less as much freedom of speech as the (US, of course) First Amendment?! I'm pretty sure that the rather free speech on this network could have been just as free in the Indian "backwoods", (tho


' of course, it might have provoked a riot or two.)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel)
Subject: A Million Mutinies Now
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:52:11 GMT


For all the pseudo-intellectuals out there, what ever they maybe, Hindu,
Muslim, Aryan, Dravidian, high-caste, low-caste or what ever, you
might wish to read a recent book by V.S. Naipaul, "India - A Million
Mutinies Now". The book is quite prophetic in light of the recent events.
I won't pontificate on the virtues of the book, find out for yourselves.

A most worthwhile book.


Rakesh Patel



Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana)
Subject: On the Historicity of December 6th.
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian 
Keywords: Hinduism, Psuedo-intellectuals, History, Renaissance 
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:22:06 GMT

Come to think of it, is Dec 6th 1992 going to be a historic
day in the calander of India? Somehow intuition strikes me
that it is going to be one. For this is the first time in
India that an independent challenge was mounted on Islam.

Note that events such as Shivaji, Krishnadevaraya, Prithvi Raj,
etc., are different. They were resisting invasions of the
islamic barbarian hoardes, but they have not tried to throw
out an established Islam from the soil. 

To that extent what happened on Dec 6th is an event of historic
dimensions. It says, and says firmly, that  islamic rule of india is
alien and vestiges flowing from that rule have to be done away 
with. There is a disinct difference between Islamic rule and muslims.
Muslims are like any another religious subjects, and India always
entertained a diversity in religious pursuit; this may be largely
a consequence of the intellectual freedom that Aryan metaphysical 
speculations entertained and the absense of dogma in them.

The challenge occurred, in hindsight, with meticulous planning.
An impression of studied divergence of views between the 
prime minister of the day (PVNR) and the challengers (VHP/BJP combine)
was maintained. This impression left the opposition to it totally
on the defensive, and careful planning and planting of information
took place to counter the disinformation and the malicious 
propaganda of the communists, the liberals, and other pseudo-intellectuals.

That the prime minister of the day who had complete knowledge of the
events leading upto the assertion of the barbarity of islamic rule
and the dethroning of its glorification by the pseudo-intellectuals is
evident for any person who has any faint understanding of how the
intelligence apparatus of the state works. That PVNR chose not to
act then surprises no one. In all probability then, PVNR is a direct
accomplice to the events of Dec 6th. This is no minor accomplishment
of the forces seeking to reassert Hinduism in India; more importantly
the intellectual side of it.

A renaissance of Hinduism was thus born. Whatever the ramblings and
rumblings, thereafter are, this phenomenon is unstoppable. For some
time to appease the disinformation and malicious information of the
communists, the liberals, the looney left, and the pseudo-intellectuals,
there may be measures directed against the forces like RSS/VHP etc. But
these are only secondary instruments to a fundamental surge towards 
a renaissance in the nation. After Dec 6th, the nation shall not be the
same again.

Pursued sensibly and with tolerance, December 6th, 1992 will mark
a historic day in the renaisaance of Hinduism in India and the
reassertion of the secular principles of the nation-state that
have been so trampled upon for centuries.

...kt
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan)
Subject: Re: President Sharma not signing govt. acquisition of site in Ayodhya
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 12:47:40 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1993Jan6.173733.13213@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rroy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raja R Roy) writes:
>
>In article <1993Jan6.151759.10785@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com> gupta@mailhost.aa
>.cad.slb.com (Sanjay K. Gupta) writes:
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>Just got news from India.
>>
>>President Sharma is not signing the central govt. aquisition of the land near 
>>disputed site.
>>
>
>     Thank god. We have a sensible president, who is not a boot-licking
> President like Boota Singh. What happens next? I guess President has to sign
                 ^^^^^
????????????????????????????????????
You mean Zail Singh?

> it if it is sent thrice.
                   ^^^^^^
Again, ???????????????????????
If I'm not wrong this would be an ordinance, not a bill passed by Parliament to
be ratified by the President. If such is the case, he can refuse to sign it n
times.

Sudhama
>
>  P.S. : Democracy has been murdered. Should it be cremated or should it be 
>  buried ???
>
> Raja
>>Sanjay K. Gupta
From: mshah@cs.arizona.edu (Munil A. Shah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Ahmedabad news
Date: 10 Jan 93 19:46:20 GMT


	I just called up home yesterday. My brother told me that
at least 108 people have been killed(unofficial figure) in last
3 days. One of my indirect cousin got stabbed in the back.

-Munil
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana)
Subject: 20-20 program of CBS on Ameena.
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Keywords: Ameena, concubines, herems, slave trade, Saudis 
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 03:44:27 GMT

Yesterday on the 20/20  program of CBS, the issue of Ameena
the child bride of the Saudi slave trader was aired. I only
watched the last 5min. Can some one who has seen the program post
some details....

For those of you who do not know, Ameena was is the hyderabadi
muslim kid was was sold by her father to be concubine of some
saudi scum. She was rescued from the aircraft by some
stewardess.

...kt
From: banerjee@hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Asshole, you have to produce better evidence.
Date: 5 Jan 1993 08:48:49 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: hsc.usc.edu

In article <1993Jan5.155250.22298@udel.edu> chitoor@dwalin.cis.udel.edu (Srikrishnan R. Chitoor) writes:

>be his/her remain for lifetime. Just by pointing out that the number
>of the user account is different from the number on the offensive
>posts, the person would have proved that (s)he did not make the posts.

This was already done in an earlier article. Reproduced below is the
paragraph from that posting:

>Yesterday when I replied to his posting, and asked him to desist from using
>my.sig file, the anonymous server in Finland gave me a number that is an4404. 

Hope this clarifies the point you were making.

-- 
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Internet: banerjee@scf.usc.edu      |  has found somebody to blame it on.
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