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From: st902485@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: I have this Soft Machine tape...
Reply-To: st902485@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 15:39:23 GMT

I have a double-CD called "The Complete Soft Machine Peel Sessions" (or
something like that). The cover has a nifty illustration with the legend
"The Soft Machine Turns On". My guess is that this is from an old concert
poster. The 2 CDs contain material from 5 radio appearances, ranging from
volume 2 to "5" material, including 2 tracks with the coveted horn section.
The CD sells for about $25, and apparently, there's also a cassette version.
Here's all the songs as best I can remember them. "moon in June" (w/ clever
new lyrics), "Dedicated to you but You Weren't Listening," "Esther's Nose
Job," "Mousetrap/Noisette/Backwards" (Esther's and Mousetrap include horns),
"Slightly All the Time/Out Bloody Rageous/Eammon Andrews", "Virtually,"
"Facelift," "Neo Caliban Grides," "As If," "Drop." These last 2, I believe,
are with Phil Howard, although it doesn't say so on the disc. Merry Christmas
-Ely.
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From: eric0139@student.tc.umn.edu (Grant Erickson)
Subject: Utah Saints New Album (Was Re: Kate Bush and Utah Saints)
Followup-To: alt.music.progressive
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: alt.music.progressive
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:38:36 GMT

I current own the EP release (which I thought was THE record). Is the new
full length release with the proclaimed 8 "new" tracks worth the buy, or is
it pretty much just a duplication of the EP?

I like the EP quite a bit, and would buy another one of their discs IF it
were comprised of new material not just remixes.

E-Mail OR Post your opinions (depending on whether the rest of the group
wants to hear 'em :-) )

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From: pardue@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Bill Pardue)
Subject: Brand X...power trio?!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:03:31 GMT

Just saw Brand X in Chicago last night.  The show started much
too late for a Wed. night (11:30 after a "just adequate" fusion
band).  The crowd was the usual mix of musicians and '70's left-
overs (before you flame me...remember, I was there, too! :-)).

I haven't heard the new CD, so I wasn't ready to see the band
reduced to a three-piece!  Goodsall, Jones and a baby-faced
drummer (with all the requisite chops).  Goodsall's guitar synth
work pretty much erased the need for keyboards.  Surprisingly, even
though most of the crowd seemed to be there to worship Percy Jones on
bass (and a damn fine job he did...) it was Goodsall who really stole
the show.  Very fast, very clean playing...kinda reminded me of a
British DiMeola (playing much stranger songs).  They only played a
couple of older tunes ("Nuclear Burn" comes to mind), but the new
stuff sounded very good...a touch heavier than the older stuff.

Do me a favor, old Brand X fans, catch these guys in concert, let
their management know they can make some money...and maybe next time
they'll get to play at a humane hour.

By the way, bring some friends who don't know about the band...you don't
have to tell them that they're "fusion" (too many folks are afraid of
the word) or that they've been around since the '70's.  The hipsters
might be impressed by Jones'work with Eno.  Just tell them it's some
new power trio with great chops...that'll get them in the door.  Let
the band do the rest.

P.S.--(If you have the drummer's name, pass it along to me, I'd like
to keep an eye out for him.)
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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: Steve Hillage: Guitar-Centered Albums?
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 03:50:03 GMT
Organization: Usenet Power Elite: Crush-The-Innocent-Newbies Strike Team

stegner_g@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:

> Incidentally, I'm very interested in these projects you mention that
> Hillage has been involved in.  I stopped following him after 1983 and
> have no idea what he's been up to.  Can you describe these recordings
> for me?

To recap, Hillage has been involved recently with UK band The Orb, and The
Orb have returned the favor by collaborating on Hillage's project System 7.
Hillage cowrote and coproduced two tracks on The Orb's first album
'Adventures Beyond The Ultraworld' ("Supernova At The End Of The Universe"
and "Back Side Of The Moon") and the leadoff single from their current
'U.F.Orb' ("Blue Room").  The Orb are primarily an ambient-dub-house band,
which sounds like what you might expect: organic space music with a beat. 
Stylistically, it's not too distantly related from what people like
Hillage, Eno, and Oldfield were doing in the 1970s.  Hillage allegedly
linked up with the band after attending a rave where Orb founder Alex
Paterson was mixing Hillage's 'Rainbow Dome Music' into the other tracks
he was DJ'ing. 

System 7's music (filed under 777 in the US, probably thanks to Apple's
legal department) is more of a mixed bag, since there's no fixed lineup,
though Hillage is the driving force and Giraudy's there for most of it as
well.  Overall, the music is more overtly dancy than most of The Orb's
material: think of it as thick, well-produced, prog-flavored house.
Some of it is absolutely transcendant.

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
From: u2d92@seq1.keele.ac.uk (MJ Gumbley)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: *Hoodoo Gurus* (Lyrics by ANON FTP, anyone?)
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:54:39 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

Hello folks, as we all know, the Hoodoo Gurus are **WITHOUT QUESTION**
the FINEST guitar band in the WORLD. 

Well, I think they're rather good, anyway :-) 

(No flames, please - I like YES and ELP as well....!)

I was wondering if anyone out there knows of an anonymous FTP site which
holds copies of their lyrics, and/or tablature? I tried ftp.uwp.edu, but 
no luck there.

Hope you can help, but if you can't, get a 'Gurus album in your ears, and
see if you agree with me!

Thanks all! Please send any replies to my e-mail address, as I don't read
the net as often as I should!

Best wishes for the festive season & the new year.


--
Matt J. Gumbley 
u2d92@seq1.cc.keele.ac.uk 
University of Keele, England
From: borella@cs.ucdavis.edu (Mike Borella)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Kurt Rongey
Date: 15 Dec 1992 17:18:09 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



Since a few people have asked me to describe Kurt Rongey's music, here
goes (this may look familiar to some of you :-):

He plays in the style of Banks and Watkins, maybe with a little
Wakeman thrown in too (i.e: the guy's very talented).  But his style is
unique.  The CD contains a wide spectrum of moods, including a couple
of slower tracks that sound more like Banks, but then he cuts loose
with some intense solos.

His playing is good, better than any other new keyboardist I've heard,
and his writing is very advanced.  He plays around with counterpoint
not unlike Gentle Giant.  Some of the songs towards the end of the
disc are complex to the point of GG or ELP.  

But he's a one man band which is a bit of a let down.  *Some of the
drums are programmed*, but they are programmed well.  In other words,
he programs the drums to play better than Alan White on Big Generator,
which isn't saying much.  It basically sounds like a fairly competent
drummer is on the album.  Kurt plays drums himself on some cuts too.
He's not bad.  He also sings.  To me he sounds like no one in
particular, but other people have said he, "Sounds like Geddy Lee"
(because his voice is high?), "Sucks" (whatever), and "Has a fragile,
beautiful voice".  It doesn't bother me at all.  It is high, but
sensitive and clear.

Kurt fools around with some electronic stuff and some Floydian
weirdness on one track (which is the only one on the CD that I don't
care for), but the description of slushy new age is completely
innaccurate.  He's got balls, which is what too many new-agers are
missing (Steve Roach and some others being exceptions, of course).

I got into him by accident.  Someone sat me down with the disc.
I told him I didn't like Tony Banks, but he played the first couple of
songs for me.  I wasn't impressed.  So the CD stayed on while we
talked, and the third track with a blistering keyboard break comes on.
I took notice and he gave me the CD to listen to.  At first I thought
it was pretty dull, but after a week I started listening more closely.
After a month I realized the guy is brilliant.  This disc is a
grower.  I like it a little more at each listen.  It's a natural
progression for those of us who grew up on early Yes/Genesis/ELP and
are now looking for something different.

His new album should be out.  If its as good as he (Rongey) professes, 
it'll be better than *any* other new prog band around.  I've got my finger
crossed on this guy.  He's totally anti-commercialism and anti-business.

-Mike
From: pra@aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de (Pedl Rau)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Grobschnitt, anyone? revisited...
Date: 17 Dec 1992 13:27:39 GMT
Organization: AIFB, University of Karlsruhe (Germany)
Distribution: world
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In article <phil.02dn@hyphen.equinox.gen.nz>, phil@hyphen.equinox.gen.nz (phil stuart-jones) writes:
>
> My brother (Mark) is trying to re-establish contact with the German group
> Grobschnitt (now dis-banded).  He was friends with the members but has lost
> contact since they split.  If anyone has any info about the activities or
> whereabouts of the former members, please post/e-mail this info and I'll
> forward it to him.  Thanks.
>
> phil out

The only thing I know is that Toni Moff Mollo did the lead vocals on one
song ("All my ways") of the 2nd (recently released) Chandelier-Album
"Facing Gravity".

 Pedl
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: jhopkins@cbacc.cba.uga.edu (John Hopkins)
Subject: Seventies Pop lyrics quiz
Organization: Terry College of Business, University of Georgia
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:41:37 GMT


A few months ago, a gentleman named John Hiatt came up with a nifty idea: post a lyrics quiz that is easy enough that an average radio listener can do well at it.  His quiz was based on music of the eighties.  In that vein, this is a relatively easy quiz A few months ago, a gentleman named John Hiatt came up with a nifty idea: post a lyrics quiz that is easy enough that an average radio listener can do well at it.  His quiz was based on music of the eighties.  In that vein, this is a relatively easy quiz b

ased on the music of the seventies.  If you listened to the radio, saw "Saturday Night Fever," and liked K.C. and the Sunshine Band, you should do well.

Please do not post your answers.  You may mail them to me at jhopkins@cbacc.cba.uga.edu.  Answers are due in my mailbox by 0700 GMT on Tuesday, December 22.  I will post the results the following day.

I'm sorry that I can't offer a prize to the winner.  Hopefully the fun of playing is incentive enough.

Good luck, and above all, have fun!!

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1.	Well I didn't want to bring her
	and I know it will make her worse.

2.	And they whirl and they twirl and they tango.

3.	So here I am with pockets full of good intentions,
	but none of them will comfort me tonight.

4.	One chromosome too many.

5.	We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

6.	There's an open road that leads to nowhere,
	so just make some miles between here and there.

7.	Know that the Lord is well and inside of you.

8.	It'll take you a couple of vodka and tonics
	to set you on your feet again.

9.	She's mighty mighty, just lettin' it all hang out.

10.	A woman that I know just came from Majorca, Spain.

11.	Don't play B-17, it was our song, it was his song.

12.	I was on the dance floor acting strange.

13.	Writing something nasty on the wall.

14.	We were at the beach;
	everybody had matching towels.

15.	Have you ever had to push push push push?

16.	You may feel a little sick.

17.	Ain't no beauty queens in this locality, I'll tell you.

18.	Well your big brown eyes are all filled with tears
	from the bitterness of those lonely years.

19.	I'm the one you're using, please dont push me aside.

20.	In a silk dress, running like a watercolor in the rain.

21.	I think I had met my match.
	He was singing.

22.	I got the world calling me up here tonight on the phone.

23.	This world was never meant for one as beautiful as you.

24.	You can get yourself clean,
	you can have a good meal,
	you can do whatever you feel.

25.	In these old familiar rooms, children would play.
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From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Steve Hillage: Guitar-Centered Albums?
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:07:08 GMT

stegner_g@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:

>In article <sr_r_gc@lynx.unm.edu>, lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>> After hearing Hillage's guitar work with The Orb and his System 7/777
>> project and doing a little asking around, I picked up his album 'Rainbow
>> Dome Music'.  It's a great album, but more ambient than guitarry, and I'm
>> more interested in hearing the guitar-sounding stuff right now.  Any
>> recommendations?
>> 

>If you want to hear more of Hillage's guitar work, your best bet would be his
>1983 double-album set "For To Next/And Not Or". 

Since it's sort of midway between the techno stuff he's doing now and 
his work in the 70's this may be good advice for Lazlo. Though these two
were packaged together as lps they are findable as single lps. On cd they
are both on one disc. Personally I much prefer the instrumental lp AND NOT
OR to the poppy songs and vocals on FOR TO NEXT - the pair are polarized
and ANO has everything I like about Hillage and FTN has everything I 
don't like... I just start the cd on the first track of ANO.  

I'd pretty strongly recommend Hillage's first solo, FISH RISING, as it's
a cool concept lp and captures much of the essence of Gong - the Salmon
Song was actually a song Gong played live a bit, long before Hillage released
it. 

Based on Lazlo's tastes and leanings towards dance music I'd also suggest
GREEN, which is a bit funky at times and very nicely produced. Rainbow Dome
musick is much more ambient than any other Hillage.

I'm curious about the System 7 stuff. One Hillage fan I know likes it
and one doesn't. I saw an interesting comment by some guy on rec.music.misc
months ago from a guy who liked the new System 7 but hated the guitar - he
was asking why those awful guitar solos were there. But I think from his
perspective he thought that guitar solos don't belong in techno-dance music. 

  - Malcolm   
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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Steve Hillage: Guitar-Centered Albums?
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 21:49:17 GMT
Organization: Usenet Power Elite: Crush-The-Innocent-Newbies Strike Team

After hearing Hillage's guitar work with The Orb and his System 7/777
project and doing a little asking around, I picked up his album 'Rainbow
Dome Music'.  It's a great album, but more ambient than guitarry, and I'm
more interested in hearing the guitar-sounding stuff right now.  Any
recommendations?

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
From: ma155fan@b432-1.ucsd.edu (AxigallyRules!)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Yes Union Bootlegs?
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:22:26 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego


I have seen a double CD called "Say Yes!" at Blue Meanies here in
San Diego.  It looked like it was a complete recording of one of
their Union shows, as it was over 140 minutes long.  I asked the
owned of the store how the sound quality was on it, and he said it
was excellent.  The cover was a shot of the Union stage with a Roger
Dean-ish Yes logo and the title, and the back was a mixture of
Dean-ish landscapes and the track listing.  The only reason I didn't
pick it up myself is that it cost $60, and I honestly couldn't
afford it.  If anyone's interested in getting ahold of it, e-mail me
and I'll see what I can do...

Eric Warner
University of California, San Diego Department of Mathematics
ma155fan@sdcc14.ucsd.edu
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From: gpkatch@alcor.concordia.ca (Gary Katch)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Emerson, Lake & Palmer In Concert
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:16:58 GMT
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  dated "09 Dec 92 01:22:14 GMT"
  from "falcon@camelot.bradley.edu (D. Nathan Hood) "
Originator: gpkatch@alcor.concordia.ca

D. Nathan Hood writes:
>In <ByyDDz.F8q@DMI.USherb.CA> lachm00@DMI.USherb.CA (MARTIN LACHANCE) writes:
>>  There's an ELP album called Emerson,Lake & Palmer In Concert,
>>recorder at the Olympic Stadium in Montreal (in 1977 or 1978 I think)
>>  Is there anyone who has seen this show?  Comments would be appreciated.
>i have the album but didn't see the show.. then again i was 5 at the time

I was at the Olympic Stadium and saw the show.  My clearest
memory is of trying to concentrate on the opening movement of
Piano Concerto #1, while sitting 1000 feet away.  In the middle
of this music, a stadium concession worker came up the aisle with
a tray of paper cups full of Molson, screaming "Cold beer!  Biere
froid!"

My most cherished ELP memory was getting to go to the arena
where the band and orchestra rehearsed for that tour.  A friend
of mine knew some record company bigwig, and he let us sit
and watch.  I got to see my heroes casual, up close, goofing
off.  Emerson would often break into funny improvisations
after the conductor interrupted or after mistakes.

Now that I'm getting older and completely fed up with arena
rock and sound, my dream is to see ELP in a small venue, with
the drums and grand piano _unamplified_,  and only stage amps
for Keith and Greg's electric stuff.  I am hoping their upcoming
concert here in Montreal at Theatre St. Denis will have fewer
than 40,000 watts aimed at me.

-- gk
From: kers@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Chris Dollin)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:48:12 GMT
Subject: Re: Question about Curved Air
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive

In article ... kalang@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (kenneth.lang) writes:

   In article ... kers@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Chris Dollin) writes:
   >In article ... kalang@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (kenneth.lang) writes:
   >
   >   Curved Air - Second Album,  released 1971. ... and its pretty
   >   good. 
   >
   >``Pretty good''? I'd rank it as the definitive Air album. Checking someones

   I must admit I haven't listened to it in quite some time. However, didn't
   they release an album called Phantasmagoria or something like that which is 
   considered by critics to be their best work ?

Exactly like that, in fact. (The title track is inspired by the Lewis Carrol
poem with that name.) I don't know what the critics thought; *I* thought it
wasn't as good as Second Album. _P_ has (from memory):

Marie Antionette - nice track, some pure drifting synth, slow vocals from
Sonja; a plus.

Melinda (More-or-less) - violin, harpischord, flute? (probably synth),
providing an excellent gentle combination to go with Sonja's clear and
unsettling lyrics about nightmares. I think.

xxx - can't recall the title; light, pretty pointless song about masturbation.

Cheeta -- an excited but so-so instrumental.

Ultra-Vivaldi -- short synth rip-off of Vivaldi. Space filler.

Phantasmagoria -- Fun song about meeting a ghost, no real depth.

Whose Shoulder ar you looking over anyway? -- experimental piece hacking
Sonja's voice around with synths and (I think) a PDP-8. Interesting.

Over and Above - longish Monkman jam, best thing on the album for me but
spoiled a bit by the brass toward the end. Theme of OOBE (what? you don't read
sci.skeptic? Perhaps I should cross-post ...)

yyy -- another whose title I can't recall, fluffy piece about turning youself
into a ghost -- perhaps suicidal undertones? Never occured to me before ...

_P_s winners are _Marie_, _Melinda_ and _Over_, as opposed to _2nds_ _Young
Mother_, _Piece of Mind_, and _Back Street Luv_. But _2nd_s other tracks --
_Jumbo_ (slow vocal + violin piece about coming home), _You Know_ (brisk
percussion), _Puppets_ (piano background, slow theme, suggestion of
we-are-puppets in the lyrics) -- are, to my mind, far better than _P_s; even
_Everdance_ is better. The weakest track on _2nd_, _Bright Summers Day 68_, is
on a par with the weaker tracks of _P_.

Hmm. I didn't expect to write so much and say so little.

--

Regards, Kers | "Once   I would have been glad   to have made your acquaintance
Renaissance:  | Now   I feel the danger   brought about   by circumstance."
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Question for all
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:16:54 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Dec16.185316.17232@cs.tulane.edu> piscine@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (Mike Taylor) writes:
|> Motto for the day: Progressive listeners should be progressive
|> thinkers!! Listen to everything and anything with an open mind!
|
|Who says we don't?  Just because we may not like something doesn't mean we
|haven't listened with an open mind.

Can we make this the motto for the day instead?

-- 
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| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
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From: moleface@next05cville.wam.umd.edu (Ashley Edward Collins)
Subject: Re: Who mattered in Yes
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:00:02 GMT


> 
> About him coming back -- Cinema was a *tight* rock group, not a lot
> of soloists, and the rock emphasis was so different than Yes.
> Kaye probably never dreamed of the Yes reunion when Chris Squire
> got him in on keys! Besides, other than Squire, he'd never worked with
> White or Rabin, cos Anderson was not brought in until later on...
> 
> Scott

	This is true.  It actually occurred to me about 78 seconds after I  
posted this that there was only one person with whom he'd worked  
previously at the time, so I guess I've wasted however much space on the  
net.

Moleface
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