From: ratinox@meceng.coe.northeastern.edu (Richard Pieri/Stainless Steel Rat)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Mistake at beginning of T2
Date: 13 Apr 92 01:50:58 GMT
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In-reply-to: gberigan@cse.unl.edu's message of 12 Apr 92 18:51:22 GMT
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>>>>> On 12 Apr 92 18:51:22 GMT, gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...) said:

gberigan> ratinox@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Stainless Steel Rat) writes:

>Come to think of it, Reese is just plain wrong. Evidence to wit: every time
>the temporal displacement device is used, a spherical area in the target
>time frame is swapped with whatever is in the device, organic or otherwise.
>Support: visuals in both movies, where parts of a dumpster, semi-trailer,
>pavement, etc., vanish from the ``now'' of the movies. Secondary support
>from the novelization of T2, when Reese is sent back: ``Oddly, in its place
>was a sphere filled with whirling debris: crushed beer cans, faded yellow
>newspapers, dated 1984, and a slice of dumpster, filled with garbage from
>that year.'' Obviously, *anything* may be displaced, not just living
>things. Reese appeared in 1984 buck naked because he left 2029 in that
>state :-).

gberigan> I disagree.  It may be that only living things can be sent back
gberigan> in time, but anything can come forward.

Now this strains the ``reality'' defined by the films. Why would it only
work one-way for organics, but both for inorganics? Remember, Skynet built
the device specifically to send it's own Terminators, not humans. Humans
stumbled upon it after Skynet's defeat.

gberigan> If you say Reese is wrong, and inorganic material can be sent
gberigan> back in time, why didn't SkyNet know this and do so itself?

It did. It sent a T-800 and a T-1000 through. As for it sending weapons, it
did. It sent two. A T-800 and a T-1000. If those aren't weapons, I don't
know what is.

gberigan> It certainly should know how it works, and the limitations.

I never said that Skynet didn't know how it worked, I said that the HUMANS
who found it didn't know how it worked. Not completely, anyway. Skynet
built the device specifically to displace two Terminators in time. The
device worked according to Skynet's specifications.

--Rat
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