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From: mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness")
Subject: Re: interracial dating
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:24:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.114603.1@opie.bgsu.edu> bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
$	I agree that love is where you find it, but at what expense.  I have
$had many friends that have dated interracially.  They had to sneak around and
$meet their girlfriends at certain times of the night and week.  My friends
$could not call the girls homes out of fear their parents would answer and
$figure out their little secret.  Once a friend of mine was caught by a girls
$father in their home and chased out with a colt 45.  He was called nigger and
$told  by the girls father never to see his daughter again or else. My friend
$continued to see the girl.  Now you tell me, is it worth it? 
$                                             

Yawn...just when you thought it was safe to come out again...dun dun
dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun DUH-DUH!!! THE INTERRACIAL DATING
THREAD!!!

Gawd, when are we ever gonna lay this thing to rest?  Never, I guess.
Well let me tell you what I think.  I'll date any woman who comes
within 10 feet of me, be she white, black, purple, green, whatever.
If she's white, I date her simply because of curiosity and that
"forbidden fruit" factor.  If she's white, I'll date her because I
hate black women.  If she's white, I'll date her to get attention.
Cos you know I just lo-ooves attention.  Or because I feel ashamed and
SISTAS AIN'T NO GOOD I TELL YA!  ALWAYS WANTIN SHIT, GOLD-DIGGIN-ASS
B**CHES!!  "WHAT YOU GETTIN ME??  *SNAP!*  WHERE'S MY MOTHA
FUCKIN DIAMOND RING, YOU SHIFTLESS, BROKE ASS NIGGA?!!! Can't even get
no fuckin job!"   If the woman I'm dating is white I DO IT SIMPLY TO
BE A SELL-OUT, TOKEN-ASS NIGGA, nothing else.  (gasp, gasp! I did it!
I admitted it! I'm a sell out!!! Can I still keep my ghetto pass,
though?)

I dated a sista who was just like what I wrote above, too.  That shit
ended quick.

Seriously though, the story you told above is no different if the
father were black.  I've had friends that have been shot in the toes
by the girls father as he was runnin out of the house.  Called the
brother "nigger" and the whole bit.  It don't make any difference.

Look, I'll date any color, ain't no shame in my game.  If people would
stop trying to make this world more complicated it just might be a
better place to live.  But society has taught us that we must expound
our opinions on other people.

Oh, and BTW if you think I'm datin a white girl, so be it, but I bet
75% of yall talkin that smack about "Oh I'd NEVA date a white girl",
if a white girl kicked you some flavor you'd be on it in a New York
minute.


-- 
Malcolm Diallo Moore, CIS-Univ. of Minn.                mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu
				            	    moor0009@student.tc.umn.edu
"Arresk the Presidink!"                           malcolm@mermaid.micro.umn.edu
		-- Popeye the Intelligent Hoodlum
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,talk.politics.misc
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Death Penalty, for or against?
From: galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 21:08:56 PDT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

hans@iesd.auc.dk (Hans Huttel) writes:

> happened to be Irish in the wrong place at the wrong time. What on
> earth would prevent the U.S. police from using similar tactics against
> Black people ? How do we know that it hasn't happened ?
> 
> 
> - Hans
> --
> Hans H{\"u}ttel                          - hans@iesd.auc.dk  
> Mathematics and Computer Science
> Aalborg University, Fredrik Bajersvej 7E,
> 9220 Aalborg, DENMARK                     Ad slagne veje ?


Hans:
It has happened, it does happen, and in all likelihood, it will continue 
to happen.
G.

--
Gregory Alan Gross      Welcome to life, where no good deed goes unpunished.
San Diego Union-Tribune         (619) 293-1270 (voice)
P.O. Box 191                    (619) 293-2333 (fax)
San Diego, CA 92112-4106        galan@netlink.cts.com (Internet)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: chriswa@microsoft.com (Chris Waldron)
Subject: Re: Its about F****** time!
Date: 07 Oct 92 02:34:37 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Sep29.165701.8473@cas.org> cwm54@cas.org writes:
>In article <MelnnGK00WBMM4QG1I@andrew.cmu.edu> dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway) writes:
>>For those of you who watch the Sunday morning political talk shows (Meet
>>the Press, Face the Nation, the Mclaughlin Report), it seems to me that
>>high-ranking officials in the current administration are evidencing a
>>great deal of frustration and are, indeed, flustered with their
>>inability to chop (or at this point even chip) away at Gov. Clinton's
>>lead.
>>
>>I, for one, am damn happy that the experiences of the last twelve years
>>are coming to an end.  While it is too true that America has never
>>treated African-Americans particularly kindly, the last twelve years
>>have witnessed the regression of ANY kind of values, spurred on by
>>Messers. Reagan, Bush, Baker, Cheney, Darman, Quayle, et al.
>>
>>These men, for all intents and purposes, ushered in an era of economic
>>disaster, increasing racial intolerance and strife, apathy, and an
>>unwillingness to seek justice on a myriad of counts.
>>
>>The twisted logic and self-serving behavior of the upper (cited by
>>itself, for the sole reason that the average $20,000 a year Bush
>>follower is so blind and utterly ignorant that its difficult to blame an
>>idiot for an inability to make good decisions) echelons of the
>>Republican party has spawned an atmosphere bent on supressing those
>>different from themselves (Rich, white, elitist...).
>>
>>If you happen to be in Pittsburgh on November 3rd, I extend an open
>>invitation to you to come PARTY with me and my friends when this
>>nastiness is swept out for at least four years.
>>
>>DCAL
>
>
>
>    I wish I could share your optimism and having read your articles I share
>    many of your opinions but "our long national nightmare" isn't over yet.

...And it won't end just because Clinton is in the White House.

ChrisWa.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Af-Ams in the military
From: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:29:28 GMT
Organization: Bowling Green State University

I am a veteran on the Gulf War.  Your student is correct the GI Bill still
exist.  There are several chapters which one may qualify under it though.
Being a reservist I qualify under chapter 106.  Under this you receive $170 a
month for school(full time Enrollment) for 3 years.  If you are considered a
veteran, that is if you have served under contract for active duty service for
three years or more, you qualify under a different chapter.  Since I served in 
Desert Storm/Shield, I am considered a veteran, therefore I recieve some of the
full benefits of an active-duty veteran.  I am qualified for a low interest
housing loan from the VA. 
	I agree that the military is a good place for a lot of blacks.  Like
you stated in your reply: cheap housing; healthcare are major pluses.  I get
sick of people complaining that the military is full of minorities.  Would they 
rather see these people in the streets.  Now that the gov't is planning to 
reduce the military, you will see more people in the streets.

Black people wake UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Subject: Me and Wesley
Organization: Bowling Green State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:57:40 GMT

 Wesley Snipes?  Damn, if I would have starred in "Jungle Fever" you would
probably typing with your knuckles right now!!!!!! 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: aburt@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Andrew Burt)
Subject: Re: peculiar language
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 13:51:20 GMT

In <1b0h5lINN8ao@agate.berkeley.edu> ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202) writes:

>In article <1992Oct7.171149.11823@cas.org> cwm54@cas.org () writes:
>>    Irrelevant. Who doesn't know that words CAN have many meanings.
>>    Besides, my post was not meant to illicit semantics problems.
>>    Get a clue and try another newsgroup like soc.pseudointellectual.

>Your post?  It came from aburt@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu NOT cwm54@cas.org.

Yes, exactly -- huh?  I (aburt@du.edu) wrote it; I have no idea who cwm54 is.

>Well if you wrote it, you should already know that the whole thing was
>about semantics and stemmed from a misunderstanding of the useage of
>the word "black".  The original poster was reading it as only identifying
>dark skin whereas the newspaper instead meant it as an accepted synonym
>or shorthand for African American.  To follow the post's line, the test
>would not be to substitute another physical feature like "bignose" but
>rather another ethnic group like Latino.

In my original post I made three objections to the usage, this was only one
of them.  Nonetheless, I still object to it on this basis.  Yes, I know it
has *become* a synonym for that; but I'm saying that it is harmful for it
to be a synonym.  I'm arguing that since in FACT it alludes to nothing more
than skin color (which is why it became the synonum), it should be used
only when skin color is a relevant fact.

I object to using Latino based on my other two objections -- we should not
isolate people when talking about them.  If it had said, "Latino named to
high court" -- it would still be obnoxious.  I don't *care* if the judge is
Latino, Black, Left-Handed, Size 10 shoe, etc.  It *shouldn't* be an issue,
but it always will be as long as we keep using the words this way.

I know it won't eliminate discrimination to avoid discriminatory language,
but I do believe it would help immensely.

>As the newspaper used it, "black"
>referred to a specific ethnic group, including all perceived physical and
>cultural attributes.  Likewise, when Florida growers advertise oranges
>they're talking fruit and not just some color.  Now whether we wish to
>be known as African Americans and not blacks, is a separate issue.

How anybody wants to be called is, I feel, up to them.  But that's a separate
issue from *when* that a designation is used.  I'm saying *never* to use
designations except when they are a factual necessity, and are not being used
to imply anything other than the fact itself.
-- 

Andrew Burt 		   					  aburt@du.edu

      "And that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana-shaped"
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 08:04:54 EDT
From: <AAA5@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Suggestions on Malcolm X Literature

----
I would appreciate suggestions about books/articles/films on Malcolm X that I
should check out for a project I'll be working on soon. I am approaching this
from a mainly political communication perspective. However, I am aware of the
historical, race, sociological, media, Afrocentric, and other valuable
perspectives that will be helpful to my work. Suggestions can be e-mailed to me
at the above address. Thank you.
----
Dr. Akin Akioye
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Those debates
Date: 12 Oct 92 11:51:53 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory


It was great!

Perot won the soundbite war.  The best line:

On Bush's claim of experience:  "Well, they got a point.  I don't have
any experience running up a 4 trillon dollar debt."

Ann Richards got the best after-debate line:  "You can stick a fork
into Bush... 'cause he's done."

The analysis:

Perot:	He won the battle
	He won the soundbite war
	He regained his respect and focused the issue (was
	self-deprecating enough but still in control--got into it near
	the end--expect an even more energized performance next time)
	He utterly neutralized Bush.
	Was too one-note (also his greatest strength)

Bush:	He lost the "patriot" issue early on
	He recovered and seemed very Presidential and relaxed (and
	after the second question, took the high road mostly)
	He pissed off Magic Johnson
	He managed to get his tax&spend, experience issue out there
	(and must have been thinking "why did I let Perot on this
	stage?")

Clinton:
	Perot won the battle, but by the nature of his victory gave
	Clinton the war
	Clinton acheived all of his objectives, looked presidential,
	maintained control
	Of the three, looked the "smoothest" may have walked the fine
	line between control and slick... only time will tell.
	Won the camera battle.  Looked at Bush when attacking on the
	patriot issue, then turned to the camera and said "we don't
	need a president who divides us, we need a president who brings
	us together" (or something like that).  Obviously practiced,
	but it may play well.


Hilarious strategy point:  Bush & Clinton would quickly acknowledge
Perot... then attack their *real* opponent.

In short:  Perot won the personal battle, but it was a tied debate I
suppose.  Which means Clinton wins and Bush loses.

We'll see.

--
Peace.
     "Why wouldn't an enhanced deterrent, a more stable peace, a better
      prospect to denying the ones who enter conflict in the first place
      to have a reduction of offensive systems and an introduction to
      defensive capability.  I believe that is the route this country
      will eventually go."
                            -- Vice President Dan Quayle
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: hans@iesd.auc.dk (Hans Huttel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: The Real Issue (Was: Re: Death Penalty, for or against?)
Date: 11 Oct 92 16:38:06 GMT
	<HANS.92Oct10140633@ravn.iesd.auc.dk> <BvyMo1.4C2@NCoast.ORG>
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


This is going to be my last article in the current thread on the death
penalty. I'll be brief.

The crime rate in the United States will only start to go down, once
something serious is done about the gross social inequalities that
pervade U.S. society. The death penalty does not reduce the crime
rate; it is cruel and ethically wrong. At best it amounts to smashing
random deckchairs on the Titanic. At its worst the death penalty is an
instrument of prejudice.


- Hans (a self-confessed sentimental socialist who does not think 
        Martillo is a "cool guy")
--
Hans H{\"u}ttel                          - hans@iesd.auc.dk  
Mathematics and Computer Science
Aalborg University, Fredrik Bajersvej 7E,
9220 Aalborg, DENMARK                     Ad slagne veje ?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Passing for white (was Re: Pessimism)
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:17:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.133548.23324@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
brs@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Blanche R. Steppe) writes in response
to my item re "passing.":
.
(Previous good stuff deleted.)
.
>I knew a girl who at age 18 was told by her white mother that her father
>was black.  She moved from N.J. to Va. to find her black relatives.  She
>could have stayed "white" but she decided to be black.
>
>Also, check the October issue of Ebony magazine.  There is an interesting
>article on a lawyer named Gregory Williams.  He was "white" until age 10,
>then he became black.  Actually, he is 3/4 white but that's black in the
>good ole U.S. of A.  His children are 7/8 white.
>
.
.
My friend Omonike flagged my attention to this article last week.  I
saw this guy's picture and his story today. Good God. Enough to slap
sense into some folks, major. I urge y'all to read this one.  The
cover is "The Year of Black Women."
.
This reminds me of the older woman from Louisiana several years ago
who had nearly had a spasm when she found out, after ordering up a
passport, that her birth certificate showed that she was black.  The
woman was white as a piece of paper, so to speak, and was outraged.
She went to court over it, because she wanted to be declared white,
and lost. White husband, white children, etc.
.
I'm from Louisiana, and there's plenty of that self-hatred for a
million folks in that state. Check: the white family had begun a
branch of black folks during slavery.  One branch was "bright."  The
other were Hershey bars. Some in the bright branch passed. This was
where this poor misguided stepsister came from.
.
The bright branch was put off because she had exposed their sorry
asses.  Of course, the white branch disowned any connection.  And
the black brothers and sisters were laughing behind their hands.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney)
Subject: Re: Pessimism
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:52:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1b9t0iINNnrc@agate.berkeley.edu> ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202) writes:
>It really makes no difference.  Given any multigene trait, e.g. kinkyness
>of hair, width of nose, pigment of skin, the resulting possible combinations
>work similarly.  For example, given six genes for the control of skin color,
>a child inherits three from the mother and three from the father.  Let B be
>a gene for black skin and W be a gene for white skin.  Suppose someone with
>pure white skin, i.e. WWWWWW, had a child with someone with half black and
>white skin, BBBWWW.  The possible gene combinations for skin color in the
>child will be
>BBBWWW  (20 ways)
>BBWWWW  (180 ways)
>BWWWWW  (180 ways)
>WWWWWW  (20 ways)
>Here there's a 85 percent chance the child with have skin darker than the
>white parent.


Note also that there's a 5% chance that the child will have no black
genes at all.  This puts the lie to those who have been posting
bullshit about how "whiteness" is a recessive trait (and therefore
blacks *must* be the original humans).

Note also that if a person with "pure black skin" (BBBBBB) has a child with
someone of mixed geneaology (WWWBBB), the child has an 85% chance of
having lighter skin than the darker parent.

-- 
larry kolodney:(lkk@panix.com) 
_(*#&)#*&%)@(*^%_!*&%^!)*&#+!*&$+!?&%+!*&^_)*&#%)*&^%#+&
The past is not dead, it's not even past.   - Wm. Faulkner
From: tuff@ellis.uchicago.edu (Geoff Tuffli)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Human Unity
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:48:10 GMT
Reply-To: tuff@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Oct16.135857.19262@wam.umd.edu> lovegod@wam.umd.edu
	 (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:

>Yeah, it was originally the White man's name for me that he used to shout at
>me boastingly and with intimidation.
>Now, I'll call myself nigger, or my friends,  
>(I used to have reservations about this; obviously now I don't), simply
>because  
>I want Whites to hear it and remind them of its origins as it puts that fear  
>into their hearts.  They KNOW that word can't be uttered from THEIR lips
>when I'M in their presence!  I know they want to say it SO BAD.
			      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^		
Hmm. Does the word "paranoid" fit here?
Sure, there are probably some people who would like to, but saying that all
people with a low melanin content in their skin want to call you a "nigger"?

As the expression goes, "Huh?"
Don't know about you, but I prefer to deal with people's actions rather than
their skin color. I'll readily tell someone that I think what they did was
stupid...but secretly yearning to say the word "nigger"? Come on. Give me a
break.

	Geoff Tuffli
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: chriswa@microsoft.com (Chris Waldron)
Subject: Re: Marxism (was Re: Pessimism
Date: 07 Oct 92 03:38:54 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Oct5.181741.26913@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.004932.27961@gagme.chi.il.us>,
>.
>In regards to the above:  the reason why I think so many Silicon
>Valley nouveau riche here in California and elsewhere are ponying so
>much moolah to Clinton is that they feel threatened by the
>disparities between rich, middle-class and poor.  Now it's only rich
>and poor.  Folks are beginning to look real hard at WHY, and that
>puts the rich on the hot seat.  Better back this cornpone dude no
>matter how much you hold your nose. The alternative may be their
>ass.  Plus, no body likes Bush, the phony!



Clinton's economic program will not redistribute wealth with is what is 
necessary for the economic mess to be repaired.  Clinton defines the 
middle class as income below $200,000.  This is ridiculous when the MEDIAN
income is below $30,000.  While Clinton may throw people a bone with more
moderate or liberal court nominees, Clinton, chairman of the corporate right-
wing lap originization known as the Democrat Leadership Council is indebted to
ARCO, the American Petroleum Institude, Dow Chemical, Prudential Bache, 
Georgia Pacific, and Martin Marietta to name a few.  Recall eariler this year
that the Democrats did not even transfer a penny of defense spending to the 
social side of the budget when they had the opportunity too.  They decided
to salvage Chris Dodd's (D-CT) ass by ordering two new SeaWolf submarines to
save the US I presume from the non-existant Soviets.

And don't be fooled by Al Gore.  He is a bullshiter as far as the environment
is concern.  No environmentalist would have voted for fast tracking the North
American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), voted for the MX Missle system, voted
for the B-2, and other weapons of MASS distruction.  Let's not forget that
Gore also voted for the environmentally damaging Gulf War and played the race
card during the 1988 Presidential Campaign -- Willie Horton orginated from 
AL GORE's campaign as an attack against Michael Dukasis.

Please do not be fool by these guys.  Clinton is also implicated with S&L
failures in his state and also knew about the cocaine smuggling that the 
government was engaged in using an airfield in Mena, Arkansas.  He played 
dumb on the issue but PUBLIC documents showed that he was fully informed.
Clinton is up to the whazoo in deep doodoo!

This election is merely a choice between a Republicrat and a Republican of the
Corporate Policital System.

Happy Voting.
ChrisWa.
From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Pessimism
Date: 12 Oct 1992 02:47:35 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <1b9t0iINNnrc@agate.berkeley.edu> ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu
(;;;;7202) writes:
}                     The possible gene combinations for skin color in the
}child will be
}BBBWWW  (20 ways)
}BBWWWW  (180 ways)
}BWWWWW  (180 ways)
}WWWWWW  (20 ways)
}Here there's a 85 percent chance the child with have skin darker than the
}white parent.

Opps.  That should read: *95* percent chance ...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american