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From: dave@snitor.UUCP (Dave Till)
Subject: Re: Hey, I'm a NICE Jays fan!
Organization: Jays Fans Wondering How Long It Will Last
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:54:09 GMT

In article <carl.703256190@warper.jhuapl.edu> carl@warper.jhuapl.edu (Carl Lamy) writes:
>Could a Toronto fan enlighten me here? Whenever I listen to a baseball game
>out of Toronto, the announcers always talk about how quiet it is in Skydome.
>Is that because of the huge size of skydome, or is it really because the
>fans are quiet, and if so, why?

It is quiet in SkyDome for both reasons:  the fans are quiet, and the
place is huge.

Toronto fans are naturally more quiet than most other fans, it's true.
However, the sound of one person yelling or cheering seems so small
in comparison with the vastness of the building.  Besides, we're too busy
*worrying* about whether the home side is going to win or not.  This leaves
us too busy to yell.  :-)
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 00:49:59 -0400 
From: King-Han Yao <ky0l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Bill James Interview (was Re: Oh No..
Distribution: na


I missed the interview.
Did James say anything new and/or interesting?
If so, could someone please inform me?

Thanks,
King


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King Yao                       
Economics 
Class of '92                   
Carnegie Mellon 

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From: craig@jido.b11.ingr.com (Craig Presson)
Subject: Re: Cardinal Club
Reply-To: craig@jido.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, Alabama
	<1992Apr14.125246.5393@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:30:10 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.125246.5393@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> ehlerswm@hackney.ecn.purdue.edu (William Mark Ehlers) writes:

So who wants to be left out? I also auto-nominate:

CARDINAL CLUB ROSTER
Semi-Official

Member			UserAddress			State

Dan Carpenter		cscdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu		IL
Steve Parvin		parvin@suna0.cs.uiuc.edu	IL
Mark Laventhal		msl@hpcvlx.cu.hp.com		OR
Jeff Wayman		wayman@lamar.ColoState.edu	CO
John Petterchak		japg6581@uxa.uiuc.edu		IL
Aaron Packman		aaron@juliet.caltech.edu	CA
Bob Netherton		exurln@avata.NoSubdomain.NoDomain-TX
Steve			ccford@uqvax.cc.uq.oz.au	Australia
Steve Hubbard		sfh@po.CWRU.Edu			OH
James Berry Austin	jcj6@ace4.sps.mot.com		TX

Dave Vessell		dave@Bradley.Bradley.edu	IL
Tom Durian		durian3660@iscsvax.uni.edu	
Angel Puerta            puerta@camis.stanford.edu       CA
Mark Ehlers	        ehlerswm@hackney.ecn.purdue.edu	Indiana
Craig Presson           pressonc@ingr.com               AL



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From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Subject: Re: Most complete statistical record of 1991?
Reply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:47:57 GMT

In article <ku4cb2INN6i4@saltillo.cs.utexas.edu> colaluca@cs.utexas.edu (Mark  
Colaluca) writes:
> Can someone recommend the best statistical record for 1991?  I'm looking  
for
> a single source which gives all stats for batters/pitchers, including 
> complete fielding records, batting vs. left/right, and pitchers vs.
> left/right batters.

The STATS Inc. Major League Handbook has all of those stats, and a
few more.
 
> BTW: when people in this newsgroup "project" stats to 1992, what type of
> system are they using?  Forgive me, I'm new here :)

The STATS handbook has those projections, too.
Several years ago, Bill James introduced his 'Brock2' projection
system in one of his abstracts (BJbbA). The projections in the STATS handbook
use 'Brock6' or 'Brock7' (updated versions) with major league statistics
and  major league equivalences (MLEs) or minor league stats. 
The MLEs were detailed in the 1985(I think) BJbbA.

john rickert
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Trivia: What to the numbers mean...?
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:19:34 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <ku74r1INN4p3@aludra.usc.edu> winstonc@aludra.usc.edu (|) writes:
>In article <92099.185021GRM100@psuvm.psu.edu> GRM100@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>Give the significance of the number and the player
>>who holds the record.
>>
>>1) .424
>
>Possibly

Yep.

>>2) 2.17      lowest era
>
>Definitely not. Bob Gibson had a 1.12 in '68; Clemens 1.96 (or 1.93) in
>'90.

No clue here, either.  Maybe career ERA?

>>3) 56        \
>>4) 57        /  Is one of these 50's, Hershisers inning streak
>
>Hershiser pitched 59 consecutive scorelss innings, I think.

56 is probably DiMaggio's streak.  57 is the number of Heinz varieties.

>>10) 7
>
>Longest World Series played (in games) ?  :-)

No, that would be eight.
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Subject: Griffey/head/ass (was Re: Will Clark ...
From: guilford@otago.ac.nz
Date: 17 Apr 92 11:58:47 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

In article <204965@unix.cis.pitt.edu>, dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:

> In article <1992Apr14.222718.24632@u.washington.edu> tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:

>>>Griffey is the only active player with a reasonable chance to be the best of
>>>all time at his position.  

>>Not until he gets his head out of his ass and decides to give the game more 
>>respect than he does now.  

> What the hell is this supposed to mean?

It means that the Mariners aren't winning enough and it's time for
another episode of "let's blame our best player."  A beloved pastime
of fans in other cities, but one which Mariner fans had to have
taught to them by Dick "Langston's guts" Williams.

Bill Guilford
From: abg144@milton.u.washington.edu (Andrew Gross)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Reds' injuries status
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:44:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Heard tonight during the Mariners game that Hal Morris is out for 4-6 weeks,
and that Larkin was injured.  Yuch.

Could some kind soul in/near Cincinnati e-mail (or post) the extent of the
injuries to:

Chris Sabo, Rob Dibble, Barry Larkin, and Hal Morris.
 
I am particularly interested with estimates of when these folks will be back
in the lineup.

Also, any ideas about who will play first base? 


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often; and it never does anything more important... The idea that governments
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peculiar than the idea that government can be neutral."  -- George F. Will
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From: hewlett@media.mit.edu ( Greg Hewlett)
Subject: Bill Spiers
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:22:14 GMT


Could someone give me information about the condition of Bill Spiers?  
I know he has been having back problems, but are the Brewers expecting 
to play him anytime soon?  Is Fletcher expected to get a lot of 
playing time at SS for a while?

Thanks,

Greg Hewlett
hewlett@media.mit.edu 
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From: wilbanks@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Dylanus Deus Latinus)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Colorado Rockies? no.
Summary: Rockies name sucks
Keywords: Colorado Rockies Zephyrs Bears
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:57:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucsu.1992Apr16.215717.22175
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

Honestly, this is a little late in coming but I feel strongly that 
the Colorado Rockies name sucks. The name reminds me of a failed hockey team
that strayed through this area a few years ago on their way to New Jersey.

I believe that there are much more dignified names for a baseball team than 
referring to them as igneous or sedimentary.

The current minor league team here is the Zephyrs, a AAA Brewers farm team.
The name has been around for a couple of years. Not a bad name, though 
the uniforms are very American League - green and blue.

For years, though, they were the inimitable Denver Bears, a name that still
makes the people of Denver wish for the old days. Simple, and marketable.

If I had been named GM, the LAST thing I would have named the NL franchise
would be the Rockies. True, it is the only baseball above triple A in the
high country, but Rockies is a loser name. A player is a "Rock", the 
fans are stuck between a rock and a hard place over seats (yet another
fiasco engineered by the lousy managment - there will be no day to go and
check out the park and look at seats.), and think of the dumb headlines:
COLORADO STONED BY CUBS
EXPOS BURIED IN AVALANCHE OF RUNS
COLORADO OFF TO A ROCK START
ROCKIES ERODED BY INJURIES

And so on.

So here are just a few minor suggestions for a better team name:
Colorado Grizzlies (aren't many left, but there are no wolverines in Mich.
Denver Miners (how Colorado was settled)
Colorado Skiiers (and they could get an advertising fee)
Denver Highlanders (after another team in baseball lore)
Denver Bears (a sentimental favorite)

Anyway, support your morbidly bad expansion teams, NLers! Rockies in '17!

-- 
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----> Do not put hands or burning coals
----> out the windows.
----> -Translation of sign on Denver city bus.
From: SASCHO@mvs.sas.com (SASCHO)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: How do I apply for this job?
Date: 6 Apr 92 11:45:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: mvs.19920406114539SASCHO
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
X-Bytes: 643

>Dawson is clearly the closest fit on the team.  If he goes down, who do we
>have left?  Sandberg fails #1; Grace fails #2 and #3; Dunston fails #2 and
>#4; Dwight Smith is a possible, but weak on #2.  Walton fails on #2; Scott
>isn't enough of a hitter; Salazar fails on #4.
>
>Mostly what I come up with is Hector Villanueva.  He qualifies across the
>board.
 
Hector would be my choice as well. Problem is, I'm not sure if
his defense will allow him to play everyday. If he does play every
day, he's the guy. BTW, thanks for going easy on me :-)
 
 
 
Chuck Oertli
SAS INSTITUTE INC.
AUSTIN, TX                           SASCHO@MVS.SAS.COM
From: g_waugaman@nac.enet.dec.com (Glenn R. Waugaman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Sierra and Clemente
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:38:46 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <204487@unix.cis.pitt.edu>, dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes...
> 
>(BTW, this is tantamount to heresy here in Pittsburgh.  I'd be tarred and
> feathered and "rode outta town onna rail" if I were to say things like this
> aloud at Three Rivers...)
> 
>Comments?  Objections?

As far as I can see, the *only* reason that the particular comparison to
Clemente is made for Sierra is because Sierra is also from Puerto Rico and
idolizes Clemente, wears his #21, plays right field, etc.  I don't know
how many times I've heard some baseball commentator say that the physical
resemblance to Clemente is uncanny, but for the most part I think it's
just the usual blatant stereotyping and over-simplification that's
commonplace in the sports world.  Even accounting for the fact that Sierra
bats lefthanded while Clemente was righthanded, I don't see the
similarities in style and ability, either.  [I think the current player
whose swing and running stride-- but not necessarily results-- most
resembles Clemente's is Eric Davis, for what it's worth.] 

Am I correct in assuming that the *main* reason Clemente falls short in
your comparison with Sierra is that he was a free swinger whose OBP
doesn't measure up to what one might expect from a player with such a high 
batting average?  I can't argue with that, but I do think some allowances 
should be made for Clemente in the power department because of the park 
he played in, Forbes Field.  Clemente was a spray hitter who would go with 
the pitch to all fields, which in the spacious outfield at Forbes was one
big reason why he had so many triples.  I guess what remains to be seen is
whether a home park like Forbes benefited Clemente overall, by turning
many more potential Clemente singles and doubles into triples than homers
into doubles, triples, or even outs.  I do feel fairly confident that
Clemente could have hit 300+ homers with another home ballpark, which
might be a starting point for a fair comparison with Sierra...

---
Glenn Waugaman
Digital Equipment Corporation
Littleton, MA
g_waugaman@nac.enet.dec.com
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From: peltz-russell@CS.YALE.EDU (Russell Peltz)
Subject: Rotisserie - American League
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:05:40 GMT

My Rotisserie league just had its draft last week, and I came out VERY weak
in starting pitchers.  I have pretty good hitters and relief pitching, so I
should be able to make a trade.  Do any American League fans out there know
of any starting pitchers I should try to get?  Of course, all of the proven
pitchers have been taken, so I need some lesser-known fourth or fifth starters
who you think will have a good year (i.e. get some wins).  Please respond
via e-mail.

Just to show you how weak my pitchers are:

1991 STATS:   W - L   ERA (BB+H)/IP
Mark Gubicza  9 -12  5.68   1.579
Matt Young    3 - 7  5.18   1.635
Joe Slusarski 5 - 7  5.27   1.582
Storm Davis   3 - 9  4.96   1.627   <-- not even starting
Tom Bolton    8 - 9  5.24   1.700   <-- ditto
Dave Stieb    4 - 3  3.17   1.257   <-- injured

I'm afraid none of them are going to get any wins this year...Matt Young can't
even win a no-hitter!  Against CLEVELAND!!!!  AAAAAaaarggghhh!!  :)

-Rusty

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From: jhelm@rucs.faculty.cs.runet.edu (John Helm)
Subject: Re: Cardinal Club
Organization: Radford University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 18:53:45 GMT

>>> 
>>> >                     CARDINAL CLUB ROSTER
>>> >                         Semi-Official
>>> >
>>> >Member			User Address			State
>>> >
>>> >Dan Carpenter		cscdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu		IL
>>> >Steve Parvin		parvin@suna0.cs.uiuc.edu	IL
>>> >Mark Laventhal		msl@hpcvlx.cu.hp.com		OR 
>>> 							^^
>>> >Jeff Wayman		wayman@lamar.ColoState.edu	CO
>>> >John Petterchak		japg6581@uxa.uiuc.edu		IL
>>> >Aaron Packman		aaron@juliet.caltech.edu	CA
>>> >Bob Netherton		exurln@avata.NoSubdomain.NoDomain - TX
>>> >Steve			ccford@uqvax.cc.uq.oz.au	Austrailia
>>> >Steve Hubbard 		sfh@po.CWRU.Edu			OH
>>> >James Berry Austin	        jcj6@ace4.sps.mot.com		TX
>>> >
>>> >Dave Vessell		dave@Bradley.Bradley.edu	IL
>>> >Tom Durian	         	durian3660@iscsvax.uni.edu	
>>   Angel Puerta               puerta@camis.stanford.edu       CA
>>-  John Helm                  jhelm@faculty.cs.runet.edu      VA
>
 Add me to the list. I've been following the Redbirds since 1953.
>
>


-- 
Best regards,
     John

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From: carl@warper.jhuapl.edu (Carl Lamy)
Subject: Re: ALL-Troublemaker Team :)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Distribution: na,world
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:18:46 GMT

gpeters@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:

>In article <carl.703190739@warper.jhuapl.edu>, carl@warper.jhuapl.edu (Carl Lamy) writes:
>> Hey, how come everyone's forgetting the popular Mr. Sabo. Nobody beats
>> people up as well as he does!
>> 
>> 		See you later, Carl
>> 
>Excuse me, but could you possibly elaborate more on these beatings?

>             Thanx,  Greg P.

Sorry, you're going to have to get a determined Reds fan to give you more
info. All that I remember is that he pushed somebody into a (and through) a
window. Can anyone add the specifics?

			See you later, Carl

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From: byrnes@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (Ronald Byrnes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Notes on Rangers/Mariners series
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:48:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: larry.4613
Reply-To: byrnes@cs.nps.navy.mil
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA

In article <1992Apr9.195831.24149@u.washington.edu> sgs@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith) writes:

>Trivia: The M's announcers last night said that Palmer has a shot at
>becoming only the second player ever to hit home runs in each of the
>first four games of a season.  Question: who was the first?

Willie Mays, 1971. (First three against the Padres, fourth against
the Cubs).  A short time later, another record was set:  worst
trade, Frank Duffy for George Foster.  

Ron
From: Elliott Slater
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Rotisserie - NL Player/Position list wanted
Keywords: rotisserie, draft, list
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:19:00 GMT
Reply-To: joes@village.princeton.edu
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

Hi, Rotisserie fans.

  I have a somewhat desperate request....I need a Draft Day list (by friday  
night) of eligible NL players, by position. My normal pre-draft-day preparation  
has been shot to hell, and I'm staring the horror of being unprepared on Draft  
Day in the face.

  email is fine. Anything you've got would be fine. Heck, I could even use  
*somebody else's* player evaluations...we're a standard variety $260 NL  
rotisserie league.

 Potentially in your debt,

 Joe Studholme,
 Sherlocks owner, MUDVIL league
 joes@princeton.edu
From: as547@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Winter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: misc. stuff
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:45:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr13.034555.16485
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


Why did Pat Hentgen and Randy Trileck (or whatever) make the
Jays instead of David Weathers.  I can see Hentgen
but why Trileck.
##
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in Saaskatoon   I  the 51st state I  Do it in '92
Saskatchewan    I "No way, eh"    i
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From: ktw@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Ken Wolman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: What do the numbers mean?
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:56:37 GMT
Organization: AT&T

From article <204961@unix.cis.pitt.edu>, by traven@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Neal Traven ):
> In article <1992Apr13.172312.27514@asd.com> scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) writes:

>>It's been removed.  Who cares if you are a Ruth fan, it's still THE OFFICIAL
>>record!
> 
> Actually, the asterisk never existed at all.  For a number of years, the 
> 'official' records said something like:
> 
> 	Maris		61	1961	(162 games)
> 	Ruth		60	1927	(154 games)
> 
> Anyway, the 'asterisk' was never anything but someone's figurative way of 
> trying to retain the sainted Ruth record.

Hasn't something similar happened every time an "unbreakable" record
was finally broken?  I recall that when Henry Aaron slugged No. 715 to
break Ruth's career home run total, there was that mumbling that Aaron
played in more games than Ruth, mumble-mumble, it's not really
legitimate, The Babe Forever, etc., etc.

I think this was also applied when Pete Rose broke Ty Cobb's career
hits total.  As though longevity alone were a detriment.  (Of course,
Pete proceeded to self-destruct in 5 seconds like the tape in Mr.
Phelps' machine....)

I wonder what will happen if/when Cal Ripken passes Lou Gehrig's
consecutive games played record?  Someone, I am sure, will have a
complaint.  Even now that Dick Young has been dead for a few years....

Maybe we should start the Camden Yards Watch now: isn't Ripken about
three seasons away?

Ken Wolman   AT&T Bell Laboratories   (201)564-2866   ktw@hlwpk.att.com
	"Stare.  It is the way to educate your eye, and more.  
	Stare, pry, listen, eavesdrop.  Die knowing something.  
	You are not here long." -- Walker Evans
From: rinehart@aramis.rutgers.edu (Mark J. Rinehart)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: I Told You Bonilla Was Worth the Money
Keywords: Seriously:  A Truly Different Mets' Team
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:57:52 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Apr7.182619.27305@auto-trol.com> mattel@auto-trol.com (Matt Telles) writes:

> In article <1992Apr7.135124.26463@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> dick1@hera.uucp (25436-vaughn) writes:

> >In their place are (again, in order of importance):  Al Harazin,
> >Jeff Torborg, Bobby Bonilla, Bret Saberhagen, Eddie Murray and
> >Willie Randolph.
> 
> Murray and Randolph will have to prove themselves to me, as ballplayers.  The
> rest are just great acquisitions.

Will have to *prove* themselves to you, as ballplayers???? Do you
doubt their worth as ballplayers? Or do you doubt their worth to the
team? What? Your statement mystifies me.






Mark
From: mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Re: Rickey's Defense (was Re: Rickey Henderson v Nolan Ryan -- Stat-head call to arms)!
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:02:30 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

In rec.sport.baseball, spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira) writes:

> I believe that early in his career Rickey became the only non-centerfielder
> in MLB history to lead all outfielders in putouts one year.
> 
> (If this is wrong, which is always possible considering my brain's fried state,
> please correct me.  Assault me.  Insult me.  Whack me over the head a few
> times. Whatever)

Well, as long as we're reaching into the dim uncertain reaches of our memories,
I recall something similar, except it was Dave Parker, not Rickey.

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From: steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Errors (was Re: Robinson and Boyer)
Date: 11 Apr 92 23:31:04 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

Here's a legitimate use of errors:

Calculating ERAs.

Here is a (fictitious) situation in which error totals actually tell 
you something about the fielders:

		Inn	Chnces	Errors
Murphy, RF	700	700	  2
Lucy,   RF	700	700	100

Assuming ballpark effects, L/R effects, and equivalent leagues :->, we
can tell that we have two outfielders with equivalent range, but one
is a lot better than the other.

Of course, if these are the ONLY statistics available you need new
statisticians.
-- 
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