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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 11 Apr 1992 21:35:17 CDT
From: Bob Jackiewicz <U09046@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Bug in GA or is my copy corrupted?
 <rdippold.703038085@cancun>

>>On my copy, WPS tries to MOVE the folder.  I've been told that it's
>>supposed to COPY the folder since it's between drives.  But I've gotten
>>MOVE the last three times I've reinstalled.
>
>It MOVEs for me.  I actually prefer it that way.

A MOVE is more consistant with the way the WPS works. Again, to COPY,
drag with the Ctrl button down. I would think that this is the way
that it should work. Who told you that it should do a COPY? Is this
documented somewhere??

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From: balesej@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Eric J Bales)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Does anyone have French OS/2 prices?
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:52:10 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <92098.162455TURGUT@FRMOP11.BITNET> Turgut Kalfaoglu <TURGUT@FRMOP11.BITNET> writes:
[stuff about getting software in Europe deleted...]
>stuff directly from USA, or do you fork() out the money for it?
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Now wouldn't THAT be nice!  :-)

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From: prs@turing.acs.virginia.edu (Phillip R. Scarr)
Subject: OS/2 2.0: A few simple questions...
Reply-To: prs9k@virginia.edu
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:25:24 GMT

I posted a couple of questions before from another account but I think
the ole' RS-6000 ate 'em so I'll try again.

First, I'd like to get some impressions of the Trident 800x600x16
seamless windows drivers.  How do they work?  Is the performance pretty
good?  Do I need to install a separate 800x600 driver for full-screen
windows sessions or not?

Second, how do I convert the truckload of ATM fonts I have for windows
to ATM for OS/2?  And if I need to use these fonts in my winapps, do I
need to keep the windows versions around too?  And more importantly, do
I need to run the windows version of ATM to get the winapps to use ATM
or do they find the OS/2 version?

Third, I'd like to know from you old OS/2 hand which Presentation
Manager COMM program is the best one around.  I plan to give PMCOMM a
try and I'm looking for other suggestions.

I'm sure a great many questions will occur to me once the *&#%$ code
shows up, so until then, thanks for the help!

	-Phil
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: mcover@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark Coverdill)
Subject: Re: HELP!! Access Denied!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 15:17:11 GMT

In article <92107.224348MICHAELB@UCF1VM.BITNET> Michael Brunetti <MICHAELB@UCF1VM.BITNET> writes:
>I just installed OS/2 2.0 and now I am denied access to ALL .EXE and .COM
>files on only my C: partition.  I am using FAT not HPFS and am on a 486/33 with
>8 megs of RAM and a 210meg IDE.  Everything else is working fine, I just can't
>run, copy, or move any of the above mentioned files.  This only happens on the
>C: partition, the D: and E: partitions are accessable.  Any help would be great
>ly appreciated!!!!
>                           Extremely grateful,
>
>                                   Mike


See my previous post on this but essentially you have to run chkdsk /f
on the c: drive.  Search under the info icon for chkdsk for directions.

Mark
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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: IBM!!!  Please get it together!!
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:03:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <11987@ns-mx.uiowa.edu> jsvec@umaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu (Joe Svec) writes:
>
>   2)  What if IBM gets everyone "hooked", and then jacks the price of
>       upgrades?  Answer: It's the 90's, and I really don't think they
>       would get away with doing that.

So?  Microsoft, Lotus, Borland, and almost everybody else does that.
I purchased Word for Windows 1.1 through my campus software store for
$109.  Microsoft now wants $130 to upgrade it to 2.0

I purchased Every version of Turbo Pascal from 3.0 through 5.5.  Every
upgrade cost more and more and more.

At least IBM has a history of FREE upgrades.  That's one up on all the
competition put together.  Microsoft is charging $50 for current users
of Windows 3.0 (forget 2.x and 1.x users - they probably pay full
price). 

>   3)  It take too much hard disk space.  Answer: It is a REAL operating
>       system WITH DOS and WINDOWS compatibility - what do you want?  Buy
>       a bigger hard disk and more memory and be EXTREEMLY HAPPY, or stay
>       with Windows and get left in the dust.

Exactly.  DOS 5.0 takes up about 3MB, Windows 3.0 takes up about 6MB.
That's 9 of your 32 right there.

And think of it this way - the only other OS for 386's with preemptive
multitasking and DOS boxes is Unix.  Expect to give up 70MB of disk +
a swap device disk VOLUME (not swap file, swap volume) and lots more
memory.  And Unix costs close to $1000 (about the expected price for
NT, if I remember correctly)


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From: hafting@solan.unit.no (Helge Hafting)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 and 386SX?  How fast?
Date: 9 Apr 92 10:15:19 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: University of Trondheim

In article <1992Mar31.090458.11419@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>, b39y@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
 > Is anyone running OS/2 2.0 on a 386SX?  I've got a Zeos 20MHz 386SX, 80Meg hard
 > drive, and 4MB RAM.  I'm running OS/2 2.0 6.304 on my work machine (an IBM
 > Model 70 486, 6MB) and am considering getting OS/2 for home.
 > 
 > But that's a lot of work (not to mention a lot of disk space, which I don't
 > have right now) for a system that may be too slow to run.  So, does anyone have
 > any insight on how fast OS/2 2.0 GA will run on a 20MHz 386SX Box?  All replies
 > will be greatly appreciated.
 > 
 > Dave Rodger
 > b39y@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
 > 
I think os/2 runs fast enough on a sx, but not fast enough with 4MB ram.
5MB may be enough, if you don't loose 384k on shadow ram and such.
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From: ry01@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT YUNG)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Benefits of OS/2?
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:57:14 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>The other type of multitasking is all the little things that are
>running. For example the clock, the screen saver, the keyboard locker,
>the free memory counter, the eyes that follow the cursor, your
>favorite Unix cron clone, your pop-up meeting reminder, etc.

Can't I have a clock, screen saver, keyboard locker, and a ton of other TSR's
running in Dos to serve the same purpose???

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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Trident... The saga continues...
Date: 11 Apr 92 15:46:03 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <1992Apr11.062550.22569@cs.rose-hulman.edu> swartzjh@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Jeff H. Swartz) writes:
>	Well I got my SVGA drivers installed and WHAM they work!!!  I am  
>really disappointed in that I can no longer multitask VGA programs in DOS  
>windows.  I want a 256 color (640X480 or 800X600) that I can still run my  
>VGA DOS apps in windows under.  Is this possible???  Are there drivers  
>coming out that will do this???  I really like the 800X600 or 640X480  
>drivers but I want to be able to run VGA DOW windows.  When I try it with  
>the Trident drivers installed it says that this is not supported under  
>these drivers.  Any info is much appreciated...

First, make sure you are using the drivers contained in the file
trios220 -- other drivers are OLD.  Second, make sure you run the
program SVGA ON from a DOS full screen session BEFORE installing the
drivers.  And lastly, make sure you're using hardware that supports
the drivers (right chipset, enough memory, etc).
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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: "EA DATA.SF" ?
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:28:15 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Apr13.091931.21651@rtf.bt.co.uk> traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub) writes:
>In article <kui6lfINNfp8@coltexo.cs.utexas.edu> easyrob@cs.utexas.edu (Robert Depew Reynolds) writes:
>>
>>The down fall of OS/2 total DOS compatability caused by a simple " ".
>>
>>Wouldn't all DOS programs back up the EA information if the file had only
>>been called "EA_DATA.SF" and remained marked as a hidden system file??
>>
>>This decision must have been made late at night by some very tired, over
>>worked programmer in Boca.  Don't you just hate when that happens!??
>
>I could be totally wrong here but I think EA DATA holds cluster information.
>This means that it doesn't matter what the file is called, if you start
>moving things around it screws up.

You're totally wrong here.  :-)

"EA DATA. SF" contains the extended attributes that OS/2 files have.
(Such as icon information and file associations).  EA's (for short)
don't exist in DOS file systems.  And they aren't needed there.  The
EA DATA file is useless to DOS.

The space is to prevent inadvertant tampering with it, and to make it
show up invisible to DOS programs which ignore "illegal" filenames.

If it was with the other file name, yes, DOS programs would back up
the file.  And they would restore it.  But it wouldn't restore linked
to all the OS/2 programs that use EA's.  Every OS/2 file which
contains EA's has a pointer into this file.  These pointers are stored
in unused portions of the directory structure and aren't backed up or
restored by DOS backup programs.

Not to mention that EA's are integrated in HPFS volumes, eliminating
the "EA DATA. SF" file completely.  DOS won't back them up this way,
either.


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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Benefits of OS/2?
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:57:46 GMT


I should note in all this that OS/2 2.0 does have work group folders.
Open it up and it opens up a setup, applications, data, etc.  Close it
and they are all closed.  You then open up another work group to work
on something else.
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From: hafting@Lise.Unit.NO (Helge Hafting)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Effective 2.0 Demo: Reference Diskette in Window
Date: 8 Apr 92 08:14:49 GMT
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology

In article <5gcjc+nrcain@netcom.com>, rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:
 > This must have passed by but how *do* you boot a diskette into a DOS
 > window?
 > -- 
 > Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007
 > 
 > "There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
 >                                                     Victoria Roberts
Open the folder with command prompts.  Make a copy of the dos-window
object. (Or the dos-fullscreen object if you want that.)
Then double-click with the rigth button on the new object, and select
dos settings.  There is a lot of settings, and one of them should be
"boot drive" or something like that.  This field is usually blank, so that
Os/2 will use the dos emulator.  If you type A: in this field, then your
new dos-windo object will boot a diskette with msdos when you use it.
You may also type C: if you have a primary dos partition named C
Msdos isn't the only diskettes you can boot this way, any real-mode
boot disk will work.  If you want the booted msdos to be able to read a
HPFS partition, you must copy a device driver to the diskette and put it
in its config.sys file.  I don't remember wich drive, but you can find it if
you select help for dos settings.
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From: adhir@cygnus.umd.edu (Alok Dhir)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Unix under OS/2
Keywords: OS/2 Unix PC
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:16:44 GMT

Question:  I read somewhere that you can run Unix in a DOS Box under
OS/2.  Is this true?  My machine is a large university instituton and
I need a multiuser os...but I also WANT OS/2.  So this brings me
to my question... A) What version of Unix should I run (AT&T, Xenix, etc
etc etc), B) Will it actually run acceptably in a DOS Box, C) Will
my OS/2 system take a big performance hit, D) Will the Unix system be
incredibly slow, E) How big a HD should I have...

The machine is a 486/50 with 240mb and 8mb ram.

Thanks...

						- Al
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: Andrew Bros <bros@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: swap disks for os/2
Originator: bros@mikey.convex.com
Reply-To: bros@convex.COM (Andrew Bros)
Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Richardson, TX
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 17:58:11 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <9204091136.AA14608@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> pebly@vnet.ibm.com writes:
>If you are installing on a empty system or don't mind re-partitioning,
>a separate partition for the swap file is a good idea.  Since it is a
>dedicated partition, other files don't eat up up your swap space and
>fragmentation isn't a problem.
>
>Bob Pebly

  Any advice on how large a partition to make?  I have a 120Mb hard
drive, and I could afford a 20Mb partition for swap.  Is that about
the right ballpark?  (Coming from a unix background, it sounds about
right :-))

  I was also wondering about the effect of putting a swap partition at
the end of a hard disk.  Do the gains from keeping a contiguous swap
outweigh the longer seeks that it will cause?  I only have one hard
drive (ESDI), so I can't put the swap on a second drive.

  Thanks.
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Hacker's Dictionary:  DOS: Dain-bramaged Operating System
From: ian@vnet.ibm.com (Ian Stirling)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 12:26:56 BST
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: OS/2 GA ReadMe File
Reply-To: ian@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM UK Laboratories Ltd, Hursley, England
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: Usenet 3.0

I received a request this morning for this file.  I sent it off to the
From: address in the note header.  The IBM gateway bounced this file as
as being addressed to an unknown address.

So if you are SF@ARINC.COM then can you please send me an alternative
address for yourself.

Cheers,
Ian Stirling                      Internet: ian@vnet.ibm.com
CICS/ESA Systems Facilities         Bitnet: ian at vnet
IBM UK Labs Ltd, Hursley, England IBMIPnet: ian@stirling.hursley.ibm.com

Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: PC Magazine coverage
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 06:12:54 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price) writes:
: 
: Agreed. Send constructive email to :
: 
: Joel Dreyfuss, a PC Mag editor at 72241,264@compuserve.com
: 

And destructive subscription cancelations to:

	[hell, if you have the rag you have the address]

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"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: MLONG@isucard.card.iastate.edu
Subject: Central IA OS/2 UG Meeting
Organization: CARD
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 00:03:36 GMT

                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                      
The Central Iowa OS/2 Users Group will be meeting on April 16, 1992 at 1:00 PM.                                                                       
The location is the IBM Customer Center, 4th Floor Capital Square, 400 Locust S                                                                       
treet, Des Moines IA 50309.  Please call 515-283-2823 if you plan to attend.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                      
All are invited to attend...                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                      
See you there,                                                                                                                                        
Mike Long                                                                                                                                             
Iowa State University
From: prao@ucsb.edu (Parik Rao)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.0 on Minimal HW
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:29:28 GMT
Reply-To: prao@bluemoon.ucsb.edu
Organization: U.C. Santa Barbara

I installed OS/2 v2.0 on a 386SX, 16 mhz, with a 40 megabyte HD.  It was
useless.  The machine was SO slow (I'm taking 4 minutes to boot) I just
wanted to scream.  HOWEVER, by adding 4 more megs of RAM, the performance
increased DRAMATICALLY!  So get that extra 4 megs...you'll need it under
Windows as well!  Performance probs abound if you only have 4 megs and
windows 3.0/3.1 as well (both have been tried).

The second part is the disk drive.  With OS/2 installed, it left me something
like 6 megs free (after a swap file had been created, etc).  So you definitely
need to buy another drive.  Luckily, we have novell networks here so all
I needed was a "bootstrap" for OS/2, and the netware v3.11 stores all my
files.

To sum up: more memory, necessary, necessary.  More HD space, good, good.

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From: dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
Subject: Re: A silly question.
Reply-To: dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:06:53 GMT

In article <1992Apr06.170516.29212@watson.ibm.com>, dwl@watson.ibm.com (David W. Levine) writes:
|> Yes. OS/2 uses the same filesystem as DOS on floppies. All of your
|> OS/2 formatted floppies are DOS readable and Vice Versa. You have
|> the choice of using either FAT (DOS compatible) or HPFS (not compatible)
                                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> for formatting your harddisk. If you chose FAT, you can boot DOS from
|> either another partition or floppy and access your files. You probbaly
|> won't need to do this, since OS/2 will run your DOS programs.

Not really true, DOS programs sitting on top of HPFS can read/write just
like it's a FAT and know no better.  You can't boot DOS on an HPFS file
system but DOS programs can read/write it, so it's sort of compatbile,
at least for what really counts (the applications).  That's sort of what
you said in the last line, but it was a little unclear.

Don
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Benefits of OS/2?
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 02:04:37 GMT

ry01@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT YUNG) writes:
>>The other type of multitasking is all the little things that are
>>running. For example the clock, the screen saver, the keyboard locker,
>>the free memory counter, the eyes that follow the cursor, your
>>favorite Unix cron clone, your pop-up meeting reminder, etc.

>Can't I have a clock, screen saver, keyboard locker, and a ton of other TSR's
>running in Dos to serve the same purpose???

Certainly, if you a) can spare the memory that could be used by your
applications instead (and/or can fit them all in high memory if you
have a 386), and b) can get them to work together and with all your
different software (good luck with the clock and memory counter,
forget the cron).

And then don't try to do two things at once (format a stack of
floppies while you word process, say).   Much of this stuff you can
just get using DesqView or Windows, actually, but not as efficiently
and as safe.  And it isn't OS/2's only advantage, certainly.
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