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From: aaron@serss0 (aaron)
Subject: Re: Galaxy-class Starships
Reply-To: aaron@fiu.edu  (StanleY!)
Organization: Florida International University, Miami
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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 20:07:48 GMT
Disclaimer: all comments are solely my remarks...

>ez033589@chip.ucdavis.edu wrote: ::
>>L.A. Melloy writes:
>>>Terence Wai-Juinn WONG writes:
>>
>>>   Hmmm...why didn't we see the wreck of one in "The Best Of Both Worlds"...
>>>fighting the Borg, wouldn't they have used their 'best' ships?  I think that
>>>sight of such a vessel in the 'graveyard' scene would have made the plight
>>>of our heroes a little more desperate.  BTW, I loved BOBW. Please don't flame
>>>me - just trying to stimulate intelligent converse!
>
>StarFleet didn't send their best ships to Wolf 359... they sent their best
>ships, their worst ships, cargo carriers... basically anything that could get
>to Wolf 359 before the Borg. Many of Starfleet's ships couldn't (Obviously,
>since we see some Excelsior-class ships in later episodes. I doubt Starfleet
>is still building new ships to such an old design, so they must have been
>80 year old ships that missed that battle.)
>
	I think the gentleman from Cal-Davis writes truly.  In meeting the
Borg at Wolf 359, StarFleet would be looking for *any* ships, and not just
the best -- although all of those which were possibly available would have
been called on.  Yet, the Federation is a *HUGE* entity, with far-flung
borders; how many StarFleet ships were too far out of range to respond?
(Would any number of such ships, I wonder, have made any appreciable
difference?)

>>From what I understand, only two Galaxy class starships have been built:
>>the U.S.S. Yamoto and the Big E.  Rumors abound amongst my friends (rumors,
>>'cause I don't know how valid they are) that the reason only two have been
>>built is because they're very expensive, they're coming out with a newer model
>>soon, or because they're so new, only two have had time to be built.
>
>There has to be at least one more... the USS Galaxy. They are *Galaxy* class
>ships, not *Enterprise* or *Yamato* class. 

	Not necessarily true, though in this case it is.  From _Star Trek 
The Next Generation Technical Manual_ (which, I understand, is a canon
source, having been written by Michael Okuda and Rich Sternbach, who are
the technical brains behind the show) we have that the _U.S.S. Galaxy_ was
in existence, and even sent a congratulatory message via subspace radio
upon the launching of the _Enterprise_.  It also goes on to mention that
the _Yamato_ did the same, making _Enterprise_ only the third
_Galaxy_-class ship built by the Federation.  It is conceivable that the
_Galaxy_ herself *thus* could have been at Wolf 359, but it could have just
as easily been far out on the border somewhere, exploring.  I would find it
interesting to see the two ships together, however.

Regards,

Stanley!
aaron@fiu.edu
From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: CoC II - What was left out? <Spoilers>
Date: 27 Dec 1992 08:51:54 GMT
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As far as I can tell, the conspiracy theory was never resolved.  I didn't
see any references to Adm. Nechayev in the episode.  Are we to assume the
Federation was so easily fooled by the Cardassians?  No explanation was given,
but perhaps they will address the conspiracy/Nechayev in a DSN episode or
future TNG entanglement with the Cardassians?

If Worf, Bev, and Picard needed the Ferengi to get to the planet for their
mission, how did they get off it?  I think this was explained by I just didn't
follow.  Did the Ferengi actually wait for them?? (WHY would he?)

It looks like the reason Jellico changed from 3 to 4 watches, and his other
changes, related to the fear of Picard divulging Enterprise secrets when
captured.  If so, it turns out that his changes were clever and quite 
reasonable.

Is there a "Picard recovers from torture" episode like "Family" planned?  I
assume some period passed between his return and resumption of command
(Long enough for his report t be assimilated by StarFleet and distributed to
the likes of Troi), but was he fully recovered?

Mike
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From: molin@ptb.cl.msu.edu (Michael Olin)
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Subject: Re: `Cheers woman
Date: 3 Jan 93 19:13:12 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University
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an92@anon.penet.fi writes:

>My friend and I were watching STIII:TVH the other night and noticed that
>the woman who played Savick looked very similar to that woman from
>Cheers, was it just us or is this the same woman?  Or arewe we spending
>too much time in front of the ol' boob tube?  :-)  ;)

Kirstie Alley.  Yes indeed, that was her.  I think she's beautiful!

Ummm...  Chances are likely, yes, that you ARE spending too much
time in front of the boob tube.  Most Americans do, so why not
you too?   :)
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Subject: Re: *** Spoiler Comments *** on "Chain of Command Part I"
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI
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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 18:12:07 GMT

In <1992Dec16.034458.17477@eng.umd.edu> wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez) writes:
>- Now, the complaint that will no doubt crop up (already has): Why are they
>sending such a "noted officer" as Picard on such an important mission?  About
>a third of the way through, I had a theory: The Cardassians want to get back
>at Picard for the defeats he's brought them.

Actually (having not yet seen part II), I would have to ask, "WHAT defeats?"
The Cardassians have barely appeared in Trek.  Only in "The Wounded" (where
Captain Maxwell was more instrumental than Picard in detecting the
Cardassians' efforts) and maybe "Ensign Ro", right?

>						Jelico wants the Enterprise.
>They, along with the admiral, get together and devise a plan to deliver
>Picard to the Cardassians.  As the episode wore on, it looked like I was
>right.  I was congratulating myself.  Jelico goes to talk to the admiral on a
>secured channel.  Now, I'm sure I'm right, and *then*: "I hope we will see
>our *friends* again."  AAAAARRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!  Get the picture?  Leaving
>whether Jelico and the admiral are involved (or just one of them) in the plot
>totally up in the air was a brilliant idea.  Now, I'm not so sure.  It's
>seems like they're setting us up for one direction, but they could go the
>other way.  I'll guess we'll find out next week.

Like I said in my review, I think having Jellico in on some sort of treasonous
activity would be a big letdown.  The Vice Admiral I don't much care about (or
for).  I'd just rather she didn't appear again.  I think this episode would do
best without trying to get clever, but actually turning out to be what it
appears to be.

-- 
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University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
( Now in the Boston, Massachusetts area! )

"Go?  Where are we going?"
"Where they went."
"Suppose they went nowhere?"
"Then, this will be your big chance to get away from it all."
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From: chuckm@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Chuck Melikian)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Who is Ronny Cox?
Date: 21 Dec 92 09:29:01 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <85290018@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes:
>He was the head honcho on Mars in Total Recall.

Ronny Cox was also the Chief of the Beverly Hills Police Department in Beverly
Hills Cop.

Chuck

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From: aa317@Freenet.carleton.ca (Mike Porter)
Subject: Re: Picards french lines (spoilers for CoC2)
Reply-To: aa317@Freenet.carleton.ca (Mike Porter)
Organization: The National Capital Freenet
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:17:30 GMT


In a previous article, avik@icase.edu (Avik Banerjee) says:

[discussions of "Sur la Pont d'Avignon" deleted for brevity...]

>now why do i doubt that picard would scream lines from a song
>about dancing to a man who had been torturing(sp) him? i think
>t. lynch's synopsis had him screaming something about your still
>a little boy 6yrs old, or something to that effect. that makes more
>sense than a childs song (all responces have stated to some effect that
>they were taught the song in their early school years). 
>
>avik@icase.icase.edu

Avik--did you SEE the episode?  In an earlier scene, JPL awakes and makes
some comment to his torturer about a dream he was having about being back
in France, sitting around the dinner table with his family,
singing--obviously a comforting memory for him.  Later, when he is being
tortured, he sings "Sur la Pont..." right AFTER the remarks about 6 yrs
old, etc.

Next time, pay attention to the show instead of assuming we're all stupid!
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Cheers, Mike
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From: paul@pj.tmc.edu (Thorongil)
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE 9 == WHERE?!? == The List
Organization: Mississippi State University ERC
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:32:24 GMT

>
>SIDE NOTE TO THE LIST. I only get to read R.a.s.c once in a long while and
>don't always get the info. If you want the info to be on the list,
>replying to the newsgroup will probably not get back to the DS9 list I'm
>maintaining. I wish I could, but I don;t have the storage. If someone can
>pull info off r.a.s.* compile & e-mail it to me it would be deeply
>appreciated.
>
>Th'nks
>	Greg (a. Tapolow) 
>	Maintainer of DS9 Station List
>
>--
>Begining my quest for the ultimate (working)    Greg A. Tapolow
>sig						gtapolow@nyx.cs.du.edu
>all rights turned left				probably at albequerque
>

Hey I'd love to be able to e-mail you but it keeps on bouncing back to 
me.  I would tell you that DS9 will be on ch. 4 WCBI in Columbus, MS 
but since I can't e-mail you that and since you don't read R.a.s.c that
much, I guess you won't find out.  So this information is for anyone else
else in this area of the South looking for DS9.

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From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: Troi is capable of wearing a uniform (SPOILERS)
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 04:40:12 GMT

Arun Bhalla writes
> The whole idea of Troi not wearing an officer's uniform is [..]

If she isn't an on-duty officer when people come to her for counseling,  
then why is she doing it?  Just for the fun of it?  She gets bored and  
decides to counsel people?  I don't recall anyone on the show ever  
saying anything to lead one to believe that she is not on duty when she  
counsels.  However, I have heard her discuss her education and  
according to her, her field of concentration is psychology and  
counseling people is her job aboard the Enterprise.

I have yet to see anyone respond to the main point of this thread which  
I have elaborated upon in another post I made today.  In a nutshell, if  
it is necessary for her to not wear a uniform during counseling, why  
can't she wear regular non-uniform clothes like other women on the ship  
have been seen wearing?
-- 
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From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: Piccard's butt - Chain of Command II - SPOILERS
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:35:33 GMT

Eric Schlene <eschlene@indiana.edu> writes
> So what was gained by making poor ol' Pat appear in the buff? [..] 

I find it very interesting how this shot of Patrick Stewart prompts you  
to post here like you did, yet you neglect to mention (or refrain from  
posting this) due to the fact that Marina Sirtis' body is constantly  
being pressed unnaturally by that body suit normally seen on ST:TNG.  
Your post leads me to believe that you don't feel it was proper for the  
show to show Patrick Stewart's body as it did, and at the same time  
your silence on Marina Sirtis' overtight suit in your post leads me to  
believe that you feel it's okay for her to compress, display and  
distort her body.  Put simply, episode after episode it's alright to  
see Marina Sirtis' breasts practically pop out of the top of her shirt,  
and for her to wear girdles which restrict her air supply just to make  
her look more thin (as a sidenote, she has been quoted remarking how  
she has fainted many times on the set because of her unusally  
restrictive clothing).   But one shot of Patrick Stewart's butt and the  
show should be re-edited.

> And I don't want to hear "well it wouldn't have been a realistic 
> torture [..]

You think the torture would have been more realistic had the victim  
been clothed?  I seriously doubt that the vast majority of torture  
victims are clothed.

So, where Sirtis' breasts or body figure have no role in Troi's  
counseling, it's a good idea to show them off, yet when it's more  
realistic for victims of torture to be naked, it's a bad idea?  I don't  
think that argument is winnable either and I have a strong feeling that  
if it were a woman who was caught, stripped until naked and tortured  
you wouldn't be posting about anything regarding her being naked and/or  
tortured.

I don't think this post is unlike many men's posts here or unlike the  
rules that the MPAA has decided on a long time ago for rating movies --  
extended shots of women's genitalia is R-rated whereas a single shot of  
a penis is beyond the most restrictive rating the MPAA gives.

This is exactly the kind of attitude that keeps attitudes towards women  
focused on differences between their body and some unattainable and  
non-existent perfect body while attitudes toward men are much more  
lenient; allowing them to be socially accepted with a wide variety of  
body types and enjoy their life without always being reminded how  
unattractive they are, how much weight they should lose, how they  
should lose that weight, and so on.

> Taste and respect for our intellegence just took back seat to
> trashy sensationalism. 

I agree, but I don't think it happened here.  I think it happened with  
the exposure of Marina Sirtis' breasts for no other point than to  
acquire ratings.
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From: mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu (MARC Y. WASSERMAN)
Subject: Re: Chain Of Command Part II -- review
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 19:40:06 GMT

In article<1992Dec28.114848.538@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>> 
>> What Star Trek have you been watching?  ST, both TOS and TNG, has always
>> been about people and society, not about science and space battles.  It
>> uses the futuristic settings and future-tech plot devices in order to frame
>> allegories about the human condition.
>> 
>
>But this was the problem with the episode, there were no science fiction
>plot devices at all in this story, and there should have been.  Big ones.  
>I have no objection to parallels to today's Earth, and in fact I like them,
>but they have be drawn with the pencils of science fiction.  This was
>drawn with a twentieth century ballpoint pen.
>
>Steven.K.Manfred

I agree.  The perfect example of a crossover; sci-fi tied in 
with parallels about today's Earth; is the old show episode
"Miri".  That's the sort of thing I expect from Star Trek,
not a World War II movie plot.

Marc
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: picards french lines
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 2 Jan 93 12:46:36 EST

 -=> Roy babbled to All and look what he said! <=-

 Ro> I don't know french and I recited it from memory, so it is
 Ro> correct, "from a certain point of view".  :-)

"A certain point of view"?!

You told me Vader betrayed and KILLED my father!  :-)


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From: dhg2@po.CWRU.Edu (David H. Gorski)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Troi Smut????
Date: 30 Dec 1992 19:38:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dhg2@po.CWRU.Edu (David H. Gorski)
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In a previous article, brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton) says:

>In article <1992Dec30.030652.6199@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) writes:
>>In article <1hqeteINN79b@bigboote.WPI.EDU> norbert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Timothy James) writes:
>>>
>>>A very trustworthy friend of mine SWEARS that
>>>Marina Sirtis (Coun. Troi) made a porn movie...
>>>Can anyone clear this up?
>>>
>>
>>Yea...  Your friend doesn't know what he/she is talking about.
>>
>>Either that or they consider R-rated films to be "porn".
>>
>>Sigh.  WHEN will this idoitic excuse for a "rumor" EVER end?
>
>The movie that I have confirmation on was a "hard" R.  It does contain
>nudity, including chest of Marina Sirtis.  I have a GIF or two from this
>movie.
>
>I also have an authentic GIF from a movie that I haven't identified yet.
>(Actually two pics).  One is her nude in a pool and the other is her tied
>to a bed with a female hand playing with one of her breasts.  These two,
>I have been told, are from the rumoured porn movie.

There are also three other GIF's floating around the BBS's (they're in
CompuServe, too) featuring nude pics of her.  I don't know if they're
from a porno flick or a "hard-R" flick, but they're pretty tame (just
breasts showing, no one else in the shot).
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From: mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu (MARC Y. WASSERMAN)
Subject: Re: SF in Trek (was Re: Saturday Night Review - "CoCII")
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 19:51:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.170840.540@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>> 
>> If you want good SF, I suggest you take your TV, sell it, and go to a
>> used
>> book store. You WILL NOT find *good* SF on TV, maybe ever. I love Trek,
>> and I never miss it, but it ain't good science fiction. Some people
>> said Relics was good SF, but they screwed up what little science they
>> had in it.
>
>This depends severely on what your definition of good science fiction is.
>Personally, I'll settle for science fantasy, but the point of the original
>review was that even this was not seen in "Chain of Command."
>
>Steven.K.Manfred

I might also add that there was good SF on TV for a long time in the
form of a show called "Doctor Who".  And a lot of the old Star Trek,
and even, when they try TNG can be sciece fiction in a *good* sense.

Marc
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From: molin@ptb.cl.msu.edu (Michael Olin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Keywords: stupid question
Date: 1 Jan 93 15:02:20 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University
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doctor@cs.mcgill.ca (Howard PICAIZEN) writes:

>Jellico is exactly what the Enterprise needs. He can shakes things up,
>get rid of Riker, give Data his much-deserved promotion to full
>Commander, keep Troi from wearing her pyjamas on the bridge, and give
>Worf the respect he deserves as a Chief of Security. Yup, my vote is
>for Jellico.

Worf does NOT deserve any respect.  Lately the CHief of Security (as
you call him...) has been getting beat up on every episode.  How many
times has he been shot recently?  The guy is always on his back when
he's needed the most!

Compare his safety record to that of Tasha Yar, and you'll see he needs
to go back to his mommy for defense lessons.
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From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Chain o' Command 2 <Spoilers>
Date: 27 Dec 1992 07:10:10 GMT
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Hit return if you see 4 lights...

The torture scene was excellent.  I agree with Picard about letting a child
in there!  The last scene when he asks Picard how many lights he sees was
probably Picard's most powerful scene ever.  And, I liked the conversation
at the very end, with Troi.  Goose bumps, it gave me!

I thought Riker was way out of line and the removal from command a proper
decision.  What a whining baby. ;)

Great episode, best this year, I wish they could all be this good.

Mike
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From: srcguard@src.dec.com (Lytton (SRC) Guard)
Subject: DEEP SPACE NINE
Organization: DEC Systems Research Center
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 19:47:47 GMT






	I'm suprised no comments about it.
	I'm very curious on what it's about.


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