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From: okes@essex.ac.uk (Simon Oke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ADVOCACY: Re: PC VS ST
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:23:06 GMT
	<C0v1rE.LqK@ecf.toronto.edu> <1993Jan16.150427@cs.bham.ac.uk>
	<H.ea.Rt9C9xWE1S6@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca>
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Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Essex, UK.
In-reply-to: rlcollins@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu's message of 19 Jan 93 19:37:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.143745.15153@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> rlcollins@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins) writes:
|------======={{{{{{{{((((((Ryan 'Gozar' Collins))))))))}}}}}}}}=======--------
|"You can never own enough /    __    ___  ___  \rlcollins@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
|computer equipment"      /    /  /  /  /    /   \RC1DSANU@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu
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|/ | \     The Price"  /                            \
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Let's see... 80 column club (remembered it that time - phew!)
TabDamage (tm), BUAF, obsolete Atari marketing slogan,
StoopidQuote (tm), Multiple mail addresses.

--
Simon Oke, 3rd year Computer Science
undergraduate at the University of Essex, UK.
From: cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: DeskJet Fault
Date: 27 Jan 93 04:35:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: csi.1993Jan27.043512.18042
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa

In article <1k4o5dINN8qe@golem.wcc.govt.nz> sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>Well can any one help me, I have a second hand Deskjet to evaluate,
>but things don't look right..

Question:  Which model?  There are 3 (I assume you're not talking
about the colour editions :-)):
a) Desk Jet  ("Classic")
b) Desk Jet+
c) Desk Jet 500

They're all rather similar, but ARE distinct, and have somewhat
different features.  For instance, the set of built-in fonts grows for
the later printers.

>If I use Script to print out ver 1.0 , it looks a bit fuzzy, dots that
>should not be there, even happends in Epson mode as well, with the correct
>printer driver, this error is repeatable 100% and is not random like
>a faulty print head...
>
>Could this be a Script fault..??

It could be, but it's not 100% clear.

>If I try the built in test, the text looks clean, but the top parts of the 
>letters are lighter than the bottom, this is on every line of text...

This probably indicates that you need to replace the ink cartridge.
I've never had this particular problem with my DJ, but then I tend to
replace the ink cartridge, and you may have a nearly dead one.

Not a major problem, depending on how much HP charges for the
cartridges Down Under.

If some of the ink nozzles have gunked up, that could cause the
problem.  I'd suggest running it through a couple of "priming" cycles;
there's a button marked "PRIME," which I think makes the printer try
to run some ink through ALL of the nozzles while sitting off-line.
That might clear the nozzles.  Otherwise, you probably just have to
get a new cartridge.

>What program can I use that supports this printer with its built font
>and with external fonts, like what Script does...

That's Write supports both internal and "external" fonts; FSM/FONTGDOS
support the Deskjet too.  There's a driver file for ST-Writer on
atari.archive.umich.edu; I'm not TOO familiar with the support of
other word processors for the DJ.

Any of the major desktop publishing packages (Pagestream/Calamus)
support the DJ; they tend to do bitmapped graphics, and thus make
little use of the internal fonts.

I use TeX to get "the most" out of my Deskjet; unfortunately, there
are implementations of TeX that run under UNIX, which presumably
disqualifies it from being a "quality" piece of software, under
certain classifications.  On the other hand, TeX was written by Donald
Knuth.  Enough said :-).

>Or is it correct that these printers don't work to well with the ST range
>of computers..??

The only printers that have "better" support on the ST are the Atari
laser printers, and there's some question there...

-- 
Christopher Browne                |     PGP 2.0 key available
cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca           |======================================
University of Ottawa              | Genius may have its limitations, but
Master of System Science Program  | stupidity is not thus handicapped.
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Why Atari can't succeed in the United States
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 00:03:01 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Jon Clarke writes:

> While the context of your article may be sound I suspect they have not
> thrown the best computer designs away at all.  Atari is now 
> repositioning itself in the global marketplace and with the aid of the

> Lynx games machine is putting itself on a renewed financial footing.
 
> With all this in mind when the Falcon is released I think you will find
> Atari well placed to take market share in all global markets including 
> the USA.
 
> [Bob this is not a flame but an observation of the last 8 years]


Jon, no offense, but your statement reads almost exactly like the statements
made over the years every time Atari talks about releasing a new computer.
 
When the Mega line was released, it was going to reposition Atari Corp as
a real competitor in the business market. It was going to revitalize the
company and place Atari among the true giants of business computers.
 
It never happened.

When the 1040 STe was released, it was going to be the "Amiga Killer", and
revitalize the Atari market with its "superior graphics and sound", and
win back Atari's position in the entertainment software market.
 
It never happened.

When the TT was released, it was going to mark the emergence of Atari Corp.
into the workstation market, competing with the likes of Sun and Apollo.
Finally Atari would be vindicated by rising to the top ranks of "professional
workstations.

It never happened.

The Atari Transputer Workstation (formerly known as the ABAQ) would bring
Atari into the world of the scientific parallel processing machine.  It would
revitalize the Atari name and bring Atari to the cutting edge of
technology.
 
It never happened.
 
And here we are today, with the lastest technological stride from
Atari still unseen by most of the world, still unknown by most of the
buying public, and still unproven...

Will it happen this time..?

I really do hope so...   but you have to understand why this all feels
like hearing the little boy up on the hill crying "Wolf" one more time...
 
(There are other parallels to the idea that the Lynx will bring an influx
of marketing money for the computer products (that never happened), but
this is long enough already...)

I really do hope that the Falcon is as good a product as Jack Tramiel is
said to finally think it is..  the word is that while he never believed in
the ability of the ST to succeed in the US market, he's willing to put
his backing behind the Falcon.  I guess we'll see if that's true or not...
 
BobR
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: m91der@tdb.uu.se (Daniel Eriksson)
Subject: GNU ZIP v0.8.1 ported to Atari
Organization: Uppsala university, Sweden
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:24:15 GMT


I've just put the binaries of the latest GNU ZIP (v0.8.1) at ftp.uni-kl.de
in the /pub/incoming/atari-directory. Unfortunately I didn't mange to get a
connection to atari.archive (too many users), so if someone could put it
there for me I would be happy since I can't put it there myself (I'm off
back to the army within less than 10 minutes :-). Otherwise I'll put it
there next weekend when I'm home again...

Enjoy!

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From: wbdst+@pitt.edu (William B Dwinnell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: FALCON is DEAD.... NOT, IBM is...
Date: 27 Jan 93 04:03:52 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


But mainframe sales have already peaked (back in 1991, at 8.22 billion),
and shows no signs of reversing.  Also, most mainframe sales are replacements
for older mainframes.  That, plus the fact that technological development
is advancing on microcomputers workstations, and midrange systems is
why IBM is in trouble, and why DEC is betting the farm on Alpha and Unix.
No, mainframes aren't gone yet, but their glory days are over, 
especially now that you can get "mainframe replacements" from companies
like Pyramid which will compete (technologically) with IBM's ES/9000s, at
a fraction of the cost.
So much for rusty iron....
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: leo@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Leo Hendry)
Subject: Re: A1200 versus Falcon 030 once again (FAQ?)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 08:48:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.222138.21584@infodev.cam.ac.uk> cpb1001@cl.cam.ac.uk (C.P. Brown) writes:
>In article <C1GrMM.C2C@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk>, mapmh@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk (Mark Hagger) writes:
>|> Depends what you mean by most?  Granted anything that was sprite based
>|> run a damn site faster on an Amiga, but anything that was processor
>|> intensive like any 3d simulations or other such interesting games
>                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Not strictly true, the custom chips can be used to draw polygons in hardware,
>much faster than the main processor can. Most of the 3D stuff that ran slowly was
>ported ST stuff, which wasn't reprogrammed to take advantage of the graphics
>processor :-)
>
>Chris Brown

I have heard programmers say more than once that it is just too much hassle
using some of the Amiga's hardware (and naturally, too slow when used through
the OS, which is the only compatable way), and they much prefered a machine
with a processor fast enough to handle things itself (ie STs).
  I was looking through an Amiga manual some time back now, and I from what I
remember, all the hardware can do is draw horizontal lines.  Now while this
is exactly what is needed by most polygon drawing routines, unless the polygon
is very large the setting up of the coprocessor takes longer than embeded
68000 code would to draw the horizontal lines.  If you access the hardware
through the OS (Which is now the only way because CBM no longer document the
new chipsets at a hardware level), then you would have to have a gigantic
polygon for it to be faster using some coprocessor or other.
  Sprites are a different matter though - from what I remember they are
overlaid on the screen memory by the video circitry with out taking any
processor time or changing the screen memory.  As has been said this makes the
Amiga far, far better than the ST for those moronic Super Mario-type games
that 5 year olds seem to like to much.

- Leo
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: mbernar@erenj.com (Marcelino Bernardo)
Subject: Re: Incompatibility FAQ
Organization: Exxon Research and Engineering, NJ
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 06:36:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.111119.13061@cs.hw.ac.uk> neil@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Forsyth) writes:
>With recent net discussions about software incompatibilities with new Atari
>hardware perhaps we should have a technical section in the FAQ which points
>out the things one should avoid. Not that I think that every commercial
>software developer reads News but at least it would help the ST net community.
>

On this subject:  Is there a FAQ or a person who could answer if Dungeon
Master, Falcon, Pha$ar etc. would break if I upgrade my 1040STf to TOS 2.06?
A TOS 2.06 compatibility list would be nice.

Marcelino Bernardo
mbernar@erenj.com
From: rasas@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Greg Patten)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Julian Reschke involved wi
Date: 21 Jan 1993 19:04:02 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au
Originator: rasas@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU

Julian_Reschke@ms.maus.de (Julian Reschke) writes:

>Edmund Ramm (dk3uz@mcshh.Hanse.DE) wrote:
>>   I can only agree: bring out an English language version of the Profi Book,
>>forgetting about he German language edition, and you will have a bigger mar-
>>ket than you ever dared dreaming about!

>Sure, I would win some hundred english readers, but I would lose at least
>a quarter of the German customers. And nobody pays *me* for these
>few hundred hours of translation. I might be crazy, but I'm not *that*
>crazy :-)

<*sob*> (as in cry, as opposed to Son of..) ...I wish you were *that* crazy.
-- 
  _-_|\      Greg Patten. 
 /     \      
 \_.-.*/ <-- Melbourne, Australia.
      v      email: rasas@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au
From: wbdst+@pitt.edu (William B Dwinnell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ----------->HELP<-----------
Date: 24 Jan 93 12:19:05 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


  Can you be more precise than just "I'm getting these lines going
across and up and down"?  On the monitor, or just on the diaplxxx
display area?  Is the monitor flickering?
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: an atari IBM
Date: 24 Jan 93 10:35:17 GMT
Organization: The CServer at the Z*NET International Global News Gateway

craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz (Craig Shore) writes:

> In <1993Jan20.011911.4724@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au>, Barry Lightbody writes:
> 
> >He has the feel of the IBM keyboard, which required some eprom burning
> > by the way, fan cooled, and has plenty of space for expantion.
> >
> >If any one is interested I will get details from him and post it to the grou
> 
> I'd be interested in seeing the details of how to connect the keyboard
>  posted to this group.
 
 If you do not want to do it yourself there is a great kit from "CT" in
 Germany.  I have written an article in Z*NET back in 1989 about how to
 convert your ST to an IBM case and the pros and cons. 
 
 This is why I jump into the Atari is NON upgradeable flame all the time.



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From: awest@ub.d.umn.edu (The Piano Man)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: ******  Thanks  ******
Date: 27 Jan 1993 13:31:37 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
Distribution: world
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I know that this is wasted bandwidth in some people's opinions, but I just
wanted to thank all of the people that answered some of my recent questions
posted here.  Even with all of the bickering and such going on, it's nice to
have a GREAT resource like this to get going with my computer.  I had put my
1040ST on ice for a couple of years because I had no support what-so-ever
where I live, and this group has given my computer new life!

Andrew West
awest@ub.d.umn.edu


ps...as long as I'm here, I'll ask another silly question:

	On the panel of my computer it says "Atari 1040ST" and then there is
	a tiny letter "f" right next to the 1040ST.  What does this mean?

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:46:10 EST
From: <SML108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Falcons made in Iraq?

One question to the people who have claimed the Falcon is being produced in
Iraq:  If this is true, then how do they get past the total trade embargo
placed on Iraq by the United Nations?

Methinks they're not being made there...

Scott
From: neurom@stein.u.washington.edu (Neuromancer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ADVOCACY: Re: re W Magro's posting
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:21:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1k3vf5INNj7j
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

Okay, let me put in my two cents worth.  I work at a computer store.  Therefor, I know the prices.  I'll do my best to list off some of the things that you'd need in a PC to do what the Falcon comes standard with.

     Falcon                 PC                   Price
     ^^^^^^               ^^^^^^                ^^^^^^
     68030                80386dx               $240 (+100 for case)
     2mb RAM              4mb RAM (minimum)     $160
     MultiTOS             OS/2 2.0/Windows NT   $120+ (and a wait on windows)
     TOS Roms             Boot from HD/Floppy   We'll get to that later
     16-bit color         Windows accelerator   $170+
       w/ 640x480x32k
     Graphics Blitter     ""          ""
     1.44mb FDD           1.44mb FDD            $60
     16-bit stereo        16-bit stereo card    $230
     8voice playback      Not available.  Probably VESA.
     SCSI II connector    SCSI II board         $100 or on sound board
     MIDI ports           MIDI extender         $75+
     LAN port             Ethernet Board        $80+
     Internal IDE         IDE board             $35 (w serial, parallel, game)
                                   

Hard disks and monitors I won't go into, because they can use the same ones.
They both need monitors ($250-$300), but the PC requires an HD, at least 85mb
more if you're not a fool.  That adds at least $280.

Welcome to the real world, folks.

:
A

M
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: S112397@UMRVMA.umr.edu
Subject: Zillions of Questions
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:19:08 GMT
Organization: Univ of MO - Rolla

Hi! All ya little flamers out in c.s.a.s land how is it going?
I wish to apologize to any one who sent me mail(like, right, we really
sent you mail, like get REAL),  my mail file was erased before I got
back for Christmas  and I don't know if I got any repys or letters on my
old posts.
Well its time to cause trouble for you all(i.e. read the subject line)
so let's get it over with quickly so you won't be in too much pain.

1.) I downloaded Manix from the archive at umich a tried to list it
    with lzh(I think), now when I did this lzh loaded and then started
    to access the disk.  After waiting half an hour, I reset the
    computer and checked the disk info -- there was no space on it
    left at all, now get me straight this disk only had lzh and
    Manix on it and was 800K when I formated it.  I decided to
    delete this copy(I had another) of the file and
    glorybetellitonthemountainyesyesyesyes all the missing disk space
    appeared.  I tried this twice more, each on a different disk, same
    situation.  What happened? (If it matters I only had 1/2 meg
    on the ST I was using(figured if it was any bigger I'd use
    my dad's 1 meg ST with a single sided disk drive.)

2.)I also downloaded a few arc files such as Gaunt_ed,  now on a few of
   these files I got an error message of damaged or encrypted info,  being
   being optomistic I prefer to try finding out what type of encryption
   might be used that way and how to test the file for that,(i.e. I want to
   find out if i need to decoded the file first and how to do so)? Any
   suggestions?

3.)Any one know a way to back-up floppies, and/or how to copy all the files
   onone disk to a larger disk without switching disks 1000000+ times. I've
   been using a ramdisk, but the larger the disk the slower the file is read.
   (esp when using the max disk you can use before the computer bombs(got some
   mighty big files there people!)?
4.)I've been wanting to catalog all my disks,  and do to the fact that many
   of my disks are single-sided and many are double-sided, I have a problem,
   I need to use FMC.prg to get my drive to work correctly(Forced Media Change)
   but the ST does nt ever realize when I use a single sided disk and change
   to a double sided disk.  So, when cataloging I can't catalog both my single
   sides and my double sides at the same time.  Any clues on how to get around
   this?



Thanks for reading this,
Sam Groves, S112397@umrvma.umr.edu
From: cstadbs@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr P M Donovan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Falcon on TV again
Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:09:33 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: poppy.csv.warwick.ac.uk
Keywords: Falcon TV

Atari UK really do seem to be pushing the Falcon here in the UK.
They have been taking it to the directors of the popular computer
games programs with a view to getting it shown on the programs.

Someone has already reported the review of the Falcon on the program
'Bad Influence', where they showed ray-traced animations and the
excellent 16-bit sampling.

The Falcon was on TV again last night, on the Channel 4 program 'Gamesmaster'

This program consists of kids and celebrities competing on different games,
but they also have reviews and special features.

Last night they had a feature on the new 32-bit machines, namely the Falcon,
the Acorn A3010 and the Commodore A1200. They had a spokesman from each of
the companies talking about their new machines. Atari were shown first and
Commodore last!

The demonstrations of the machines were a bit hard to see because they were
shown behind the spokeman, but the Falcon looked very inpressive.

The demo was a ray-traced animation of a colourful cartoon-style bird
walking along a pavement(sidewalk). The bird was held in the centre of the
screen, and the pavement and wall behind were scrolled along in an isometric
view giving the impression that the bird was walking down the street.

The guy from Atari also stressed the 16-bit recording and playback at
'better' than CD quality.

The demo of the A1200 was just an ordinary looking Amiga game.

It has also been reported that a new games program to be broadcast at 6:30
in the evening every weekday on the satellite channel Sky One may use
a Falcon to run a game that viewers can play using touch-tone phones.
The Falcon is being considered because the DSP casnn be used to process the
incoming calls from the contestants.

So, it doesn't look at all bad here in the UK at the moment in terms of
marketing.

Paul Donovan
cstadbs@csv.warwick.ac.uk

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: BWWL@ibm.rz.tu-clausthal.de (Wolfgang Ley)
Subject: Re: PD Spreadsheets
Organization: Rechenzentrum der TU CLAUSTHAL
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:06:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan16.191808.5118@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
jeffmay@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeff A May II) writes:
 
>Anybody know of any public domain spreadsheets for the ST.
>I vaguely remember seeing some at umich in a Spreadsheet
>directory, but can't seem to find this directory anymore.
>Thanks.
>
>                                --Jeff
>
>jeffmay@magnus.ohio-state.edu
 
Hi!
 
Try OPUS 2.0 (you need GDOS).
Available via anonymous FTP from ftp.tu-clausthal.de (139.174.2.10) or via
mail to "mail-server@ftp.tu-clausthal.de".
get /pub/atari/math/sheet/opus200.lzh
 
Bye,
  Wolfgang.
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