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From: jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: BOOTS!
Date: 27 Aug 92 00:27:51 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames

"banshee" == Wailer at the Gates of Dawn <banshee@cats.ucsc.edu> writes:

banshee> 	What kind of boots do you wear and WHERE did you get
banshee> them?  I dunno about the big ass shitkicker cowboy boots.
banshee> I'm heading over to road rider later this week to look there.
banshee> I've checked a few of the places in SC and I wandered through
banshee> the Winchester Western Wear last weekend.  WWW says that
banshee> they'll be getting in some new shipments in a week or two --
banshee> they've got a damn lot of boots.

Cowboy boots are a bad idea in any place where slippery roads are
common.  More than once I've seen friends w/ cowboy boots almost drop
their bikes at stoplights, gas stations, whatever, because of the lack
of traction with leather soles.

I'm currently wearing a pair of Sears engineer boots.  Oil resistant,
rubber soles, leather, steel toes, all for $50 (in 1986).  Nice thing
about them is I can wear them at work (look sort of like cowboy boots)
and they can be worn *under* my non-bootcut jeans.

However, I'm also in the market for new boots (soles are wearing past
traction on these boots).  I'm probably going to go to someplace like
S leather or an engineers supply store to buy a pair of tall,
ass-kicker engineer boots and a pair of smaller, everyday engineer
boots.  I probably won't splurge on roadracing boots since I'd have to
change into regular shoes for work, walking long distances, etc.  (But
now that I'm buying a bike with luggage, I could just toss in a pair
of sneaks or sandals, hmm....)

At the AFM races at Sears point, there were some nice roadracing boots
for only $100.  I forget the manu, but it was a top name, and they
regularly go for around $150-200/pr.  (keep in mind it costs $12 or so
to get into the races :-)

--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
           '91 CB750, soon to be replaced by a '92 R100R, DoD# 0378
      "Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads." -- R & G Are Dead
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: FAQ
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:23:46 PDT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <17h1tqINNcjc@agate.berkeley.edu>, gtchen@glacier.berkeley.edu (George Chen) writes:
> I just found this newsgroup and haven't located any FAQ yet.
> 1.	What do you recommend for someone who has never ridden
> 	a motorcycle (but who does have a lot of cycling 
> 	experience--don't know how well the skills carry over).

subscribe to rec.motorcycles and look for the monthly FAQ posting from dave
williams.  or ftp them from cerritos.edu in [anonymous.dod]. 

> 2.	Are there courses for beginners.

yes: call 1-800-CC-RIDER

> 3.	What's the annual cost for things like gas, maintenance,
> 	and insurance.

depends on the bike & the rider.  laurie's XL200R (36, female, clean record)
costs $69 for 100/300 only.

> 4.	Where can I buy one.

a motorcycle?  want ads & dealerships. 

> 5.	What about size.  This is the biggest problem for me as
> 	of now.  I went to a Honda showroom, just browsing, and
> 	didn't find a single bike that I would feel comfortable
> 	riding.  I'm only 5'4" so I'm on my tippy toes for most
> 	bikes.  Any recommendations?

look for a rebel 250 or an srx 250.  that should fit you well and will 
be easy to learn on.

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: tires (was Re: misc. ramblings)
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:05:43 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization

In article <1992Aug26.123812.369@halfdome.sf.ca.us> bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker) writes:
>In article <qybnfjm.blave@netcom.com>, blave@netcom.com (David W. Blevins) writes:
>>PS I'm probably going to go
>> for Metzler (sp?) ME33 front/ME99 rear.  Any naysayers?

The 55 did good work for me.

>the 55 was supposed to be an updated version of the 99, i.e. newer
>compound and tread design.  i got seriously quick lousy weare from the 
>55 on my k75s: about 3500 miles. the 88s wore better on that bike (till
>i crashed it :), and i'm getting 8k out of an 88.

I got 10,500 miles on my Me55, and it had 2 patches in it. Had a bit of tread
left, too. I replaced it when I had my bike in for the 10,000 mile checkup 
and they offered me a good deal on a new one. Got the 33 on the front and 
still have LOTS of tread (BTW, I have a K75)

FWIW

Mike
-- 
Disclaimer - I'm only doing what the little voices tell me to do. 
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From:  (Dean Cookson)
Subject: Re: where to go for honda service
Followup-To: ba.motorcycles
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 01:34:05 GMT

In article <88an8ak.rbp@netcom.com>, rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker) wrote:
> 
> BA.MOTO IS GREAT!!!!

True.  'Course it's only an artifact of how screwy news software is that
lets
me get it here in Cleveland. :-)

Dean
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: dealer quality (Re: was:a mission honda/yamaha testemonial)
Date: 4 Sep 92 09:43:17 PDT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <txd.715617754@Able.MKT.3Com.Com>, txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich)
proposed that the problems with dealers may be related the mcy service 
people's interpersonal skills.

of course, tom, the problem is perception.  how someone deals with us
is of no consequence, per se, but our perception of how that person
deals with us is paramount to our our reaction to them.  some people 
may get screwed, but if they think they're getting a good deal, then 
the feel good and react well, neglecting the pathological cases.  this
is true in all relationships; there is nothing that always works in 
every culture, (or even in ours).

and there is some truth to the rumour that computer people (which
includes most r.m people) have less than perfect social skills as
well. 

and there is some truth to the rumour that testosterone (the idea, not
the hormone) which are a part of motorcycling can raise 'tude levels. 

where i think all this breaks down, however, is in quality control. 
not only in fixing bikes, but also in service.  at best, QC is
inconsistent, often its just plain bad. witness the guy on r.m who has
been complaining about competition accessories.  neither blaine nor i
have had any problems with them, but no doubt there are gaps in their
service, and this guy stumbled upon one of them.  (distance (i.e. the
phone) and the bureaucracy of mail order and credit card companies
compound the issue). 

there is no perfect dealer for the same reason why there is no perfect
bike (except the GS).  eveyone has their own expectations about what a
dealership is supposed to do/be, and not every dealer can be allthings
to all people. we are attracted to those places who conception (and
practice) of how to deal with customers meets ours.  when it diverges,
we diverge to another dealer. 

the other issue, of course, is that personel changes, even at the same
dealership.  that's why when we see a recommendation for service, we
sometimes see the qualifying "ask for X, but don't deal with Y." 

this is much longer than i wanted it to be...

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
From: trc@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Conroy)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: where to go for honda service
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:54:01 GMT
Distribution: ba

jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend) writes:

>My cb750 needs its 8000 mile service.  Where should I go/avoid?  Is
>Penn. Honda really the ripoff joint people claim it to be?

I would never buy a whole bike there (at least from the old salescritters)
and the prices are high for pretty much everything, but somehow I keep
going back.

The service and parts folks all seem to have a clue and care for your bike.

They keep a good stock on hand, special orders are quick, no unreasonable
waits for service, cood, clean environment.

Basically, a satisfied customer. YMMV (of course)

Good luck,

trc

Tom Conroy, 91 Hawk GT, 78 CB550K, No DOD #, No .sig
From: elef@smarmy.Corp.Sun.COM (elaine 'BEANO' leffler)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: van gives biker hard time
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:58:09 GMT
Reply-To: elef@smarmy.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: smarmy.corp.sun.com


the author of this message is trying to find the motorcyclist 
involved before filing a police report - if this was you or 
someone you know, contact lockwood@acidqueen.eng.sun.com

-----------------

In article 17e8l5INNgg9@smli.Eng.Sun.COM, lockwood@acidqueen.Eng.Sun.COM (Jim Lockwood) writes:
My vote for this weeks BOTWA goes to the owner/driver of a gold
colored Chevrolet Van, Illinois license "BADE" who deliberately
tried to run a motorcyclist off of I-280 last evening around 
7:00PM near the 880/280 interchange.  

I watched the driver of this van pull along side the motorcycle and
suddenly change lanes into its lane twice.  I also watched in
amazement as the driver accelerated furiously in an apparent attempt
to run into the back of the motorcycle.

I have NF idea what preceded my witnessing this that so aroused
the van driver to such acts of stupidity, but nothing could have
justified the potential for harm the driver created for the motorcycle
rider.

Jim
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Where can I buy a good leather/aerostitch jacket
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:31:16 GMT

-
     As Dan pointed out, Road Rider in San Jose has ten times as much
as anyone else I've seen.  I've been real picky and am still looking
for jacket and pants myself.  Golden Gate Cycles hasn't nearly the same
selection.  I've also been to alot of hole in the wall places out here
in the East Bay.  What they have on stock varies alot.  One place I
thought had a great selection last December has had practically nothing
all summer.

     My strategy will be the try the stuff on locally, and if they can
come within 10% of mail order, buy it there.  If they can't match mail
order prices, I'll buy $50 or so of something else as a sort of
consolation prize, and otherwise save myself the money.  I do believe
in supporting my local shops, as long as the price isn't too high.

							George


----
George J Wu, Software Engineer         | gwu@tcs.com or uunet!tcs!gwu
Teknekron Communications Systems, Inc. | (510) 649-3700
2121 Allston Way, Berkeley, CA, 94704  | Never be the first to believe . . .
From: ramarren@apple.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: where to go for honda service
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:55:45 GMT
Followup-To: ba.motorcycles
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer

(J. Eric Townsend) wrote:
> 
> My cb750 needs its 8000 mile service.  Where should I go/avoid?  Is
> Penn. Honda really the ripoff joint people claim it to be?

Peninsula Honda does an excellent job for parts; I've ordered quite a bit
from
them, it's been delivered expediently, their prices are decent.

The shop I have reservations about. They seem to want to do a good job,
and I'd trust them for very standard maintenance work. But they don't seem
to be able to go the extra foot or two that good service requires... they
only do exactly what you tell them to without looking for the cause of a 
problem or looking forward to things that might be a problem in a short 
while.

I've been told time and again that CoEd Honda in Milpitas is the best
service
in the south bay. I'll try them next myself. My newbie riding friend had
his
bike serviced there and they seemed to do a decent job (at least they
caught
everything I caught when I inspected it for him :).
========
Godfrey DiGiorgi | ramarren@apple.com | DoD #0493
"Logic may be the beginning of wisdom, but logic never bought
 me a Ducati."
 Rule #1: Never sell a Ducati.
 Rule #2: Always obey Rule #1.
Honda VFR700 Interceptor 1987, "Bright White" 
Ducati 750GT             1975, "Thunder"
Ducati 250 Mk III Diana  1966, sleeping beauty
Toyota MR2               1985, "VSSC"
========
From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: dealer quality (Re: was:a mission honda/yamaha testemonial)
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:47:30 GMT


Good, I got the sort of responses that I was trying to raise...
Remember, recomendations are subjective, as are interpersonal
relations. 

*********************************************************************
'86 Concours.....Sophisticated Lady            Tom Dietrich             
'72 1000cc Sportster.....'Ol Sport               DoD # 055
^^^^^^^^^^^It *LIVES*!^^^^^^^^^^^^              AMA #524245
                                    Cool as a rule, but sometimes....
Two Jousts and a Gather, *BIG fun!*            (H. Lewis)
e-mail txd@Able.MKT.3Com.COM                   Ma Bell (408) 738-8301
Disclaimer: 3Com takes no responsibility for opinions preceding this.

*********************************************************************
From: tcox@netcom.com (Thomas Cox)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: i'm sick and tired of this!
Keywords: silly boy can you swim
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:36:48 GMT
Followup-To: ba.motorcycles
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <4!bn09a.rbp@netcom.com> rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker) writes:

>all this spaglethorpe bashing has gone too far!!! i'm sick and tired of
>non-spaglethorpers who dont understand the lifestyle.  i vote we start
>ba.motorcycles.spaglethorpe!!!

>--- bob pasker
>---- rbp@netcom.com

Bob, calm down.  You'll overheat.  That's very bad.

Hey, maybe we could toss Bob into the Bay.  Chained to a Spaglethorpe.
Cool off Bob, and lose a Spag -- a double win.

Heh.  ;-)

So, who's gonna organize a ride up to Alice's for Saturday 29-Sept?
Anybody feel like picking a nice twisty route?  I still haven't taken
the new toy up there -- must get right on that...

Cheers, all.  Blub blub, Bob. ;-P

	-- Tom
-- 
Tom Cox      DoD #1776   '91 CB 750 Nighthawk   tcox@netcom.netcom.com
"My opinions are just that:  mine, and opinions."  
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: ewodzien@genghis.borland.com (Ed Wodzienski)
Subject: Re: where to go for honda service
Originator: ewodzien@genghis.borland.com
Organization: Borland International
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 23:53:00 GMT

Does anyone have any experience with Honda Peninsula in Sunnyvale?
They seem to know what they are doing but they are expensive and seem
to "nickel and dime" you to death.....

Tx,
Ed
From: bguest9@bsg9.Corp.Sun.COM (Kristian Skrinak)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Wana be on TV?
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:29:49 GMT
Reply-To: bguest9@bsg9.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: bsg9.corp.sun.com


Wana be on TV?

I'm doing a cable access TV show in SF and the Penninsula with a segment
devoted to Motorcycle Stories. If you'd like, either:

	- catch me on Skyline on Sunday mornings, or 
	- reply to this post directly, or kris@netcom.com, or
	- Call: 415/974-5782

This is strictly non-profit, just for fun. I'll get some great shots of
you or/and your bike and put it in what will be the greatest collection of
everyday motorcycle stories ever made!
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Modem Cycle II BBS
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:34:55 PDT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <35jnfd_.dhawk@netcom.com>, dhawk@netcom.com (David Hawkins) writes:
> denis@apldbio.com (Denis Concordel) writes:
>>For those with access to a modem, you might want to try to connect with
>>ModemCycle II BBS (637 9876). It's a free access BBS dedicated to 
> Area code?  There are at least 4 area codes in the Bay Area:
> 510, 707, 408, and 415.

its 415.  i called once, but its down the peninsula and the toll charges
add up quickly.

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Who's goldish R-bike is that at moffett?
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 1 Sep 92 12:56:07
Distribution: ba


I passed an older, goldish-colored R-bike coming into Moffett around
noon today.  Any clues as to the owner?

--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
                              '92 R100R, DoD# 0378
      "Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads." -- R & G Are Dead
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: raible@nas.nasa.gov (Eric Raible)
Subject: Re: misc. ramblings
Organization: Applied Research Office, NASA Ames Research Center
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:44:32
Reply-To: raible@nas.nasa.gov
Distribution: ba


In article <qybnfjm.blave@netcom.com> blave@netcom.com (David W. Blevins) writes:

   Now, a question: the CBR needs a rear tire real soon now; is there a 
   reasonably priced local (south bay) resource for mounting tires?  I'd
   really prefer taking the whole bike in.  PS I'm probably going to go
   for Metzler (sp?) ME33 front/ME99 rear.  Any naysayers?

Roadrider in San Jose has some of the best prices around, and the tire
guys seem to really know what they're doing.

You must remove your own wheels, though (but you can still ride the
whole bike there :-) ).

- Eric
From: dcook@garnet.berkeley.edu (Dan Cook)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: FAQ
Date: 28 Aug 92 02:04:58 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug26.202346.375@halfdome.sf.ca.us> bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker) writes:
>In article <17h1tqINNcjc@agate.berkeley.edu>, gtchen@glacier.berkeley.edu (George Chen) writes:
>> 5.	What about size.  This is the biggest problem for me as
>> 	of now.  I went to a Honda showroom, just browsing, and
>> 	didn't find a single bike that I would feel comfortable
>> 	riding.  I'm only 5'4" so I'm on my tippy toes for most
>> 	bikes.  Any recommendations?
>
>look for a rebel 250 or an srx 250.  that should fit you well and will 
>be easy to learn on.
>

Hear, hear for the srx 250! A friend of mine just bought one (she is
probably about 5'4'' or maybe less) and she likes it a lot... They are
really light and have pretty good brakes although not a whole lot of
power, which is OK for someone just starting out...

I have seen one for sale around the berkeley campus (on the northside,
parked on hearst ave.)... 


-uncle dan

srx-6 kz1000j 

I'm always looking....
From: dcook@garnet.berkeley.edu (Dan Cook)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: where to go for honda service
Date: 27 Aug 1992 05:01:28 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

I like the parts people at Pineapple Honda/Kawasaki on E. 14th
in Oakland... I'm having them do some minor work on my KZ tomorrow
so I guess I will know then whether they have decent service
people...

-uncle dan
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: BOOTS!
Keywords: ME NEED BOOTS!
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:09:47 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization

In article <17h69nINNs3t@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> banshee@cats.ucsc.edu (Wailer at the Gates of Dawn) writes:
>
>	Any preferences for pullon/laceon boots?  I'd hate to have my boots
>fly off in a crash and let my tender tootsies get all scratched up....

I got my laceon/pullon at Kaplan's on Market in SF; cost about $65 and they
have a THICK rubber sole, just the thing for setting one's foot down on
those slick, Bay Area grease spots in front of toll booths on the bridges.
Never been in a wreck, so I can't say how good they are for that. A friend 
recommends steel-toed shoes, though, and he's got a well scraped boot (right
down to the metal) to back up his rec'.

Mike
-- 
Disclaimer - I'm only doing what the little voices tell me to do.
From: beard@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (Patrick C. Beard)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: BMW Service in Davis Area?
Date: 4 Sep 92 09:33:55 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of California, Davis

I'm new to the Davis area, a Berkeley transplant. I drive a '78 BMW R80 and
am wondering where a good place to have it serviced/buy parts would be in
the area.

Any tips, pointers, stories are welcome.

Thanks!

Patrick

Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: avery@netcom.com (Avery Ray Colter)
Subject: Re: where to go for honda service
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 19:19:56 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba

jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend) writes:


>My cb750 needs its 8000 mile service.  Where should I go/avoid?  Is
>Penn. Honda really the ripoff joint people claim it to be?

I just got my 8000 mile service done at Coed Honda in Milpitas last week
for my little Nighthawk. There was very little backlog and the total cost
was just a shave under $100.

It is real easy to find: you just take 237 eastbound, past the Holiday Inn,
over the 880, keep going dead straight where Calaveras veers to the left,
and the peel-off road you stay on by going dead straight T's into Main St
in Milpitas. Look to the right, and there Coed is.

Since they deal ONLY in Hondas, they tend to have less of a backlog for
routine maintenance than do the multi-dealerships like Fremont.

-- 
Avery Ray Colter ("Elfcat") - 	avery@netcom.netcom.com (IP 192.100.81.100)
(510) 656-1902          	{elfcat|arcolter}@aol.com
"Heaviness is the root of lightness; calmness is the controller of haste"
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
From: rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker)
Subject: i'm sick and tired of this!
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 02:03:27 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

all this spaglethorpe bashing has gone too far!!! i'm sick and tired of
non-spaglethorpers who dont understand the lifestyle.  i vote we start
ba.motorcycles.spaglethorpe!!!




-- 
--- bob pasker
---- rbp@netcom.com
From: mellon@ncd.com (Ted Lemon)
Newsgroups: ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Looking for non-anal-retentive moto examiner
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:40:11 GMT

leighann@sybase.com (Leigh Ann Hussey) writes:
>"The first time you put your foot down, I should have failed you.  But
>I'll pass you.  Take this to the window..."

That's what happened when I took the test, too.   Actually, I was a bit
pissed off - if the test is legitimate, they should make you pass it, and
if it's not, they should change it.   Of course, they'd probably be just
as happy to make it even harder and stop people from getting new licenses
entirely...

BTW, has anybody noticed that the new motorcycle test is more realistic and
also much harder than the one that they were giving out four years ago?
That's the way it seemed to me, but it's been quite a while.   I seem to
remember a flamefest about some of the more bogus questions on the test
last time I took it (e.g., they claimed in the Rider's manual and on the
test that the only safe lane position is right in the middle), and I didn't
notice any questions that were as bogus this time, although there was one
that seemed a bit meaningless and unclear.   Well, they are bureaucrats,
after all...

				_MelloN_
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From: blave@netcom.com (David W. Blevins)
Subject: Re: Where can I buy a good leather/aerostitch jacket
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 18:30:15 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

re: long delivery time on Aerostitch Catalog:  I got mine within a week.
This was about 3 weeks ago.


Blave.