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From: rday@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert E Day)
Subject: Re: Combat Archery
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:16:27 GMT

In article <714141627snx@babel.DIALix.oz.au> del@babel.DIALix.oz.au (D Elson) w
rites:
>In article <1992Aug17.000449.14394@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au> mdewis@esk.compse
rv.utas.edu.au writes:
>
>  > On the subject of Heavies tap-dancing on arrows, the only solution I can
>  > offer is education.
>
>A simpler answer that we have found in Aneala (since many heavies do not
>respond to education -- said while wearing flameproof vest) is to use
>a rule where a heavy can wave his foot or weapon over an arrow/bunch of arrows
>javelin/axe/etc, rendering the arrows "useless".  The marshal watching will
>note that the weapons have been destroyed, and can not be re-inspected for
>re-use.
>

Maybe a way to "correct" this problem would be to demand that the rule be
applied to the "heavies" weapons. I could wave my foot(or weapon) over a Duke's
weapons, and then he could not play with _them_ for the rest to the event. I
could have jumped up and down on them until they broke.

The rule allows a tactical advantage to be ganed by dishonorable means, without
the guilt that _should_ come from purposefully distroying someone else's 
property. The rule will save arrows(and therefore money) but I would feel that 
more people will abuse this rule to "distroy" arrows than would have actually 
broken them.

The SCA should be a place where gentles should not need to worry about others
purposefully dammaging the property. Those gentles(and I use that term lightly)
who persist in this vile behavior, should be brought before a court of 
chivalry.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

Otto.
-
-- 
If the price that I must pay to obtain my *  Robert E. Day/Syr Otto von    *
freedom, is to acknowledge that the Gov-  *  Schwartzkatz, Shire Mugmort   *
ernmet was granted the power to infringe  *  Barony Middle Marches,        *
on them, then I am not free. Paul Anderson*  Middle Kingdom                *
Organization: Comp & Comm - Computer Operations, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 11:08:09 -0400 
From: Gretchen Miller <grm+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Welcome back!
	<h#dyxz#@rpi.edu>

Welcome back to the Rialto to all those who braved the wilds and
travelled to Pennsic!

toodles, margaret
From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: a thought
Date: 22 Aug 92 06:20:05 GMT
Organization: Ailanthus Project

assuming that a number of wild flights of fancy actually happen, to wit:

1) i learn to do battle;

2) i win the crown tourney; and

3) I actually HAVE a lady;

can i make my lady queen by my side?  or do i have to come up with a lord
somewhere?  i'd really rather have my lady, and sit upon my throne and listen
as the scealds sing of her beauty (ok, so i lack a lady, but thelady i would
have if she woudl have me is beautiful).  of course, i doubt that Wyrd holds
out the kingship for me, but it is good to plan ahead!

                                         -Walburga Ingsdottir

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com                   ________
      No visible means of support          Silence \      / Action
      and you have not seen nothing yet.      =     \    /    =
      Everything's come together.           Death    \  /    Life
                                                      \/
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Subject: Anyone see the Pennsic mumming?
From: jvincent@eagle.wesleyan.edu (The Ulair)
Date: 19 Aug 92 10:18:32 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

Greetings all!

     I am wondering if anyone here had the chance to see the mumming which took
place at the War Friday evening. It seemed a most impressive spectacle, from my
position holding the Emperor's sedan chair.
    
     Hopefully, Caitrin will post a description of it soon. I believe it was
very much like one performed for Richard II, but I am not positive.

            -Eirik Bjarnason/"Sir Galahad"
From: tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: WAAAAAAAAAA
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:10:03 GMT
Distribution: na, usa, world
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

Hello, from a very subdued Tom Perigrin (16'th C mode long gone)

Yesterday, while I was at work, we had a tremendous wind and rain storm.
Over 2 inches of rain.  Last night when I came home I had the "fun" of finding
my garage roof waiting for me in the driveway.   My shop is in the garage.

It is a minor disaster.

Everything which was properly put away was okay.   I had planned for
leakages or such.  But anything which was left out is in a sad sad
state.   My set of hand forged carving tools...  I had left the top of 
the box OPEN... so the box COLLECTED the water.  They were swimming.
My 15 hand carved linen fold panels (representing a LOT of work) all
soaking, swelling, warping and stained.   Several hundred dollars worth
of white oak which I hadn't gotten around to putting in the elevated
wood rack was swimming in dirty water.   The iron filings from the
grinder and the tannin from the oak were busily combining to make
ink, right in the surface of the wood.  Now I have blue-black oak.

And it was absolutely heartbreaking to what had happened to those
authentic 1800's tools I had left out...

Why am I writing?  Well, two reasons.  One, a problem shared is a
problem lessened.   Thanks for listening.  But also,  I just wanted
to remind all the craftsman to clean up and put away, and plan for
roof leaks, broken water mains, etc...      Everything I had put away
properly was okay.
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From: sharons@juliet.ll.mit.EDU (Sharon Stanfill)
Subject: lost and found from Pennsic
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:56:22 GMT



Greeting to all the gentles gathered here!

During the Pennsic misunderstanding, I had the ill
fortune to lose an electronic tuner. I shall spare
this company the long tale of my woes and delights,
but suffice to say that when all was said and done,
I had not one, but two such tuners returned to me.
The one which was not mine, I returned to the 
Pennsic lost and found on Saturday evening. The
gentle there mentioned that someone had checked
for it several times -  I believe it may have
been someone who was at the
Enchanted Ground on Friday evening. I am concerned
that he may not have checked at lost and found again
before leaving Pennsic.  If such is the case, he
should contact the appropriate authorities, to 
retrieve his tuner.

Nesta ferch Meriadoc Hartley, Carolingia, EK
sharons@juliet.ll.mit.edu 
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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: Pennsic, Some Thoughts
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 04:07:53 GMT

In article <714411360.F00003@therose.pdx.com> Leonard.Erickson@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Leonard Erickson) writes:
>
>I did a *very* rough calculation comparing a 12x12 room illuminated by 4 100 
>watt lamps with a 12x12 space illuminated by sunlight (using fairly 
>questionable assumptions). Most people would think that the room is brightly 
>illuminated.... but the sunlight looks to be *thirty* times brighter...
>
>There are reasons for using sunlight... 

Unless you want the imitate Christian Huygens--and do it a near-period
way--I suggest that a photographic light meter will get solid number
for you.  Just remember that one F/Stop is a factor of 2 . . .

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
From: EDK.LASPAU@mhsgw.harvard.EDU (EDK)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: SCA in Minneapolis 9/4-6?
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:08:00 GMT
Organization: The Internet


Greetings,

I am going to be travelling to Minneapolis over the Labor Day weekend and I 
was wondering if there will be any SCA events or practices in the area that 
weekend.

Y.I.S.
Avelina

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Avelina Perceval                              Ellen Kranzer 
Lieutenant, Carolingian Company of Bowmen     18 Riverdale Street
Barony of Carolingia                          Allston, MA 02134
East Kingdom                                  h:617-254-0057, 
w:617-495-5255
(email: ekranzer@harvard.edu or ccrazy@athena.mit.edu)
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From: christer@sue.komunity.se (Christer Romson)
Subject: WHy all this redundancy in SCA buerocracy (Was: How long does it take?
X-Unparsable-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 10: 33 MET DST
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 08:35:57 GMT

Unto the Rialto and particualrly Arval and Berwynn from Lindorm, Greetings!

Berwynn:
> We organized our group in February. Just LAST WEEK we have been recognized
> as a group,

Arval:
> What you've experienced is not particularly unusual.  Consider the
> paperwork trail: You send [the forms] to your regional seneschal.  That
> officer checks everything to make sure that it is correct, and if
> everything is ready, he sends it off to his superior.  Once he gets your
> package, he has to re-verify everything.  Basically, things take time in
> a decentralized, volunteer organization.

Well, I can accept most of the delays Arval listed, but why does the
Kingdom Seneschal tell the regional deputy to verify that the package is
OK, if he's going to re-verify it anyway? (Or, why have that person as a
deputy if you don't even trust him to verify the corectness of a new group
package). 

Granted, sometimes redundancy is a good thing. The redundant conflict
checking among the heralds is probably neccesary if want to check for
conflicts. But there seems to be a lot of double work going on that is
completely without value. Why is that? Do officers feel the presure of
resposiblity do greatly that they feel they have to check and
decide/approve everything in person? Do we fail to spread information about
our ryles and procedures, that we cannot trust deputies and lower level
officers to know their job? 

On a related tropic: Is it customary for American organisations to expect
the members to pay to get a copy of the by-laws? I have to buy the
Organizational Handbook and the Marshal's Handbook from the Stock clerk,
pay for a subscription (or a back issue) of my Kingdom newsletter to get
the Kingdom Laws and the Earl Marshal's Policies (kingdom newsletter isn't
included in foreign membership). The Principality laws are available for
free, but as far as i know the Principality marshal's policy isn't
announced as available anywhere. One could almost suspect that the
hierarchy wants to keep the subjects uninformed...
 ----------------------------  
  |\  | |   /|   | |\  \ | /   
  | \ | |  * |  /| | >  \|/    SCA: Lindorm Eriksson, Nordmark, Drachenw., East
  |   | |\   | / | |/    |     Mundane: Christer Romson, Stockholm, Sweden.
  |   | | \  |  /| |\    |     Email: christer@Sue.KOMunity.Se
  |   | |    | / | | \   |   
  |   | |    |   | |  \  |   
 ----------------------------
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From: jailbait@wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jailbait)
Subject: Re: Pennsic Update (End)
Reply-To: jailbait@gnu.ai.mit.edu
Organization: JB Distribution Uninc.
	<1992Aug17.213516.10595@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:50:03 GMT

The Horseclans, Allies to my own House Drunken Badger, claim
innocence.

Noting that, indeed, it was the Salisbury Horse on both 'devices'
(Is there a record for largest device?) and not an obscure,
self-created horse, would make their claim more valid.

Of course, myself, I think it /would/ have been great if they /had/
done it...

Jailbait
"The Loud and Pushy One"
Instigator: The Pennsic Late Night Dance Cabal
--
"No, I /DON'T/ know where Karl is!"
From: jb7m+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jon C. R. Bennett)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Pennsic Tournament
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:20:00 GMT
Organization: Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Please excuse some of the missworded sentances in my pervious message, i
need some sleep, but i think its still understandable

regards

jon
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From: sussman@socrates.umd.edu (Jeff Sussman)
Subject: Pennsic Tournament
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:14:57 GMT

Greetings Unto the Rialto from Richard Fitzgilbert!

A couple of questions:

Does declaring a tourament, instead of a War, have any real impact on the
attitudes of the participants?  I don't think so.  Pennsic cultural 
inclinations have much more inertia than can be dismissed with a wave of the
indestructible arrow.  (Is it true that Ruslan almost broke the arrow by 
mistake?).  Many of the allies claimed that the result of the Friendship Battle
was indicitive of what happens when one side is having a war and the other is
having a tournament.  Pure bluster of course, but an interesting attitude.

What does everyone think of the Town Battle?  I thought it was a good battle.
It showed creativity and flexibility not often seen by Pennsic planners.  It
needs some tweaks (marshalling this battle was way too dangerous) but I'm sure
they can be addressed.


Richard Fitzgilbert		Barony of Storvik		Atlantia
Jeff Sussman			Silver Spring			Maryland
From: Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Suze Hammond)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: kids in SCA
Date: 14 Aug 92 06:23:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.713887374.F00001

AM>  From: habura@vccnorthb.its.rpi.edu (Andrea Marie Habura)
AM>  Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
AM>
AM>  William asks what to do with "the kids" that have recently descended
AM>  on his Canton.

AM>  Offices and other services: No, really. I was a pursuivant-at-large
AM>  at 15, and
AM>  my Barony's pursuivant at 17. at 14, I acted as a runner for the
AM>  Minister of
AM>  Lists (and that's a very useful thing!) Not all offices have age
AM>  requirements,

The main problem with this is that some adults will ignore a child, thinking
it's just wanting something childish. If you have unusually young people in
responsible jobs, make sure their masters or senior officers show them 
around and make darned sure that everybody knows when little Annie/Andy 
calls, they'd better come, as Annie/Andy speak for Master of the Lists!

(I often think we should recreate minor sorts of badges, tabards, etc., for 
just this purpose, so the responsible young get the necessary respect. Make 
a small cloth "sandwich board" with your arms for small pages and runners. 
I've seen too many children ignored for the sake of their child-ness who 
have something important to say...more often in Mundania...but even in the 
SCA. Give them a red belt or something!)

Moreach NicMaolain
trifid@agora.rain.com <email> 
 
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From: doug@telly.on.ca (Doug Young)
Subject: Re: Pennsic, Some Thoughts
Organization: Vest Yorvik Fishermen's Guild
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:14:21 GMT
Keywords: PENNSIC

In article <16847A08C.00030929@ysub.ysu.edu> 00030929@ysub.ysu.edu writes:
>Greetings to all, from Vajk!
> 
>Did anyone else get the same feeling I did about Pennsic this year, that it
>was rather subdued?  I have come away feeling as if it were not quite the
>usual this year.  It might be PPD, but I don't think so.  It is true that
>I commuted quite a bit, much of it with SCA business as well as mundane, so
>was not on-site for the whole time, and that may have influenced it.  Still,
>something seemed to be missing.
> 
Well . . .  I was there for the whole thing, beginning to end.
What was missing was any feeling of animosity between East and Middle
Which MOST might agree was a feature of Pennsic XX.  There were excellent
parties beyond count, and all of my circle of comrades think it was their
BEST WAR EVER.  
+---------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
| Justinian Clarus, a humble herald in  | Douglas Young                      |
| the service of the Principality of    | doug@telly.on.ca                   |
| Ealdormere, the Middle Kingdom and    | ..!uunet!attcan!telly!doug         |
| a life dedicated to fighting          | Orangeville, Ontario, Canada       |
| feasting and frivolity                | (519) 942-2514                     |
+---------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
From: ca855@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert Allen Coody)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Rapiers
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:04:25 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


Are there rules relating to the use of rapiers at SCA enevts?
[C[A[A[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[[Cvents?
-- 
"The Past Lives within the Present"
From: Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tim)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Megalomania
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:18:07 GMT


 LE> In a message to All <08-06-92 13:10> Tim wrote:

 Ti>  From: Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tim)
 Ti>  Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
 Ti>
 Ti>      Therion-who-thinks-he's-God wrote:
 Ti>
 Ti>      T> Ahem. Is this thing on? Hello, hello? Okay, it's working, go
 Ti>  ahead.
 Ti>
 Ti>      T> YO!  PEOPLE!  IF YOU DON'T KNOCK IT OFF RIGHT NOW I'M GOING TO
 Ti>  REACH
 Ti>      T> RIGHT THROUGH THIS TERMINAL AND YANK OUT YOUR WIRES!
 Ti>
 Ti>   Well, you're certainly welcome to *try*....
 Ti>

 LE> Tadhg, do you mean to tell me that you don't have your imp (for surely
 LE> these devices are run by such :-) trained to take care of such
 LE> intrusions? :-) :-)

 Of course ... you haven't heard any more from him, have you?

    Tadhg, whose imp is named "Guido"....


 * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
From: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Pennsic Great Court
Date: 19 Aug 1992 21:13:21 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug19.192301.16178@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bq434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A. Chance) writes:
>
>
>.....  The "Hoobah" refrain is fairly
>unique to the Midrealm.  While the exact origin is probably lost in the
>mists of time, the apocryphal story told is that it originated as an
>attempt to devise a more "period" way of shouting "Hubba, Hubba!" at a
>particularly enthusiastic Middle Eastern dancer.

Oh, well, if we're getting back into the mists of time....

If you look into various editions of the West Kingdom Ceremonies Book
(possibly not the current ones), you find the rubric "And the Herald shall
elicit the cheers of the populace."  If you look into really old editions,
you find the rubric "And the Herald shall elicit the cheers of the people
in the following manner...."

-------
Time out to explain why "the following manner" is what it is.  Back in the
Year Two Sir Bela of Eastmarch, Lady Karina of the Far West (Poul and
Karen Anderson), their daughter Astrid, some other SCA-folk and fringe-
SCA-folk and I put together a Star Trek parody of G&S's _H.M.S. Pinafore_
and performed it at Westercon XX.  It contained the lines:

YEOMAN RAND AND CHORUS:
Give three point one four one six cheers
For the Science Officer with pointed ears.
RAND:
Hip, hip!
CHORUS:
Hurrah!
RAND:
Hip, hip!
CHORUS:
Hurrah!
RAND:
Hip, hip!
CHORUS:
Hurrah!
(beat)
Hip!
STACKSTRAW:
Hip?  HIM?  You've got to be kidding!
RAND:
That was the residual point one four one six of a cheer.
SPOCK:
Though I appreciate your sentiments, I find their expression irrational.
....
Well, you can guess the rest--we started giving pi cheers at court, and
since this didn't seem quite the thing, the Ceremonies Book read:
----------------------
" ... The Herald shall say, "Hip, hip!" and the people shall say, "Hurrah!"
and this shall be repeated thrice, after which there shall be silence."



Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin                               Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West                                              Albany CA
Argent, a cross forme'e sable

Disclaimer: This is the Cozzarelli Lab's account, not mine--but I don't
think anybody else ever reads it.
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From: habura@vccnorthb.its.rpi.edu (Andrea Marie Habura)
Subject: Re: Searching for Long Lost Friends
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 12:51:04 GMT

Well, I can tell her where they are; I "grew up" in Concordia, and remember
the lady who's asking. (Tell her Flavia Danegeld/Alison ni Jerochame/Alison
MacDermot says "hi", and to Email her at her leisure.)

Alison
From: bmdunfee@silver.sdsmt.EDU ("Barbara J. McCormack-Dunfee")
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: casig
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:47:29 GMT
Organization: The Internet


Thanks to all who sent me info on bowling!  Our demo went well; we think we've 
started a new shire! (in Spearfish, SD)

P.S. for ABOZ--I got your mail, but can't seem to mail back :(     I'm about to
move to the east end of S. Dak. so hopefully will run across you at an event.

In case my sigfile doesn't attach, I remain in service,

Rhiannon Heledd of Mathrafal
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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: kids in SCA
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:34:17 GMT

In article <199208111738.AA24146@meryl.csd.uu.se> vader@meryl.csd.uu.se ("]ke Eldberg") writes:
>It is the younger
>ones, 9-13 years old, who I don't know what to do with.
>
>They are so young that they still need to PLAY. They want to run
>around with wooden swords and be Robin Hood. This is okay at events,
>it is always possible to entertain kids at tournaments and such. 

As you note, there are useful activities at tourneys.  (List Pages
come immediately to mind--which affords a chance to be sure they
understand what's going on.  They can be told that they have to
understand things like "Hold!" before they can do it.)

As for other activities . . .

Letherwork has a couple of advantages--first some armoring skills can
be developed, and second, it doesn't require the use of heavy tools.
When my daughter was was at the upper end of the range you gave she
built herself a leather helm for boffing in--using the spangenhelm
patterns in _Knowne World Handbook_.  With some help and supervision,
this is probably possible right down to the 9-year-olds.  The they can
do, not just Robin Hood, but more Chivalrous pursuits.

A 9-year-old can learn to sew.  (Want neat clothes, kid?  Start here.)

The kids can learn to spin.  In period, that's what a fair amount of
their time might well have been spent doing.

Inkle looms are both period and within the capability of these kids.
(And portable, too.)

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
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Subject: How to fold/wear gre
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:42:36 -0500

Joe.Bethancourt@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org writes:

 JB> Remember to use shoes of the one-piece construction 
 JB> type, similar to dance ghillies,

...which you are now going to explain how to make, yes?

From: Bob.Upson@f333.n142.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Upson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP