From: bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: CFV: soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya moderated
Date: 18 Nov 92 03:53:05 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <dogar.722025866@opal4> dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Haroon H. Dogar) writes:


>I bet y'all thought that you had seen it all didn't ya?  :-)


Oh yeaaaah!

And you thought that if somebody advocates tolerance of distinct 
religions he/she must also tolerate politics of separation, murder,
persecution etc. as long as it is hidden in the garb of "religion"?


No. Sir. No  No   No    Noooooooooooo.


>Here we have one of the greatest defenders of Hindu chauvanism,
                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

and you thought the destruction of Hindu civilization can be
justified in the name of politico-cultural objectives of
religion(Islam). Sir, the boundary of a religion extends *only* as
far as the relationship of a human with his/her God/Maker is
concerned. Creations of Dar-ul-Islams is not religion, it is
politics, and when you dub the opponents of this politics as
"hindu Chauvinists" all you are doing is to very cleverly hide
your political objectives behind the shield of religion. And
that won't do now, even if it had worked in the past. 


>apologist for...nay denier of... the genocide in Kashmir,

Apologist for the genocide in Kashmir? Are you thinking of
Pakistani support for the terrorism and holding me responsible
for the training and supplies of the terrorists? You sure are
mistaken Sir, once again!

>unsympathetic to the complaints of the Sikhs, 

Oh yeah? Are these keyboard-dreams or what, emanating from
under your name?

>unaware of the
>sufferings of the Muslims, 

And I thought the noble thing to do was to pray 

"sarve bhavantu sukhina sarve santu niramaya
 sarve bhadrani pashyantu, maa kashchid dukh bhaag bhavet"

and your polarised vision sees no humans in this world other than
the Muslims. may Allah give you non-polarised vision, pronto!

>desiring the destruction of the
>Babri Masjid and who knows what other Muslim holy sites,

No. Not destruction, but only a move to a nearby site, Or 
preferably, an acceptance by all indians that no dar-ul-herbs
need to be carved out of India.


>calling for the forced reunification of Pakistan, Bangladesh, and India,

Isn't unity a good India, O messenger of divisions!

>demanding that Muslims not feel any affinity for Arabia or
>for other Muslims but only for "Hindu" India and other Indians .....

Oh no. I don't demand that for all Muslims, only for all Indians.
And is there any thing wrong in it?

>...........        now trying to present himself as "tolerant."  :-)


May be it should be made very clear - - 

tolerant of religious freedom and extremely intolerant of
any persecution carried out in the name of religion.
Is that clear now?



>Raj Bhai, I don't know how other nettors feel, but as for me ...
>well when it comes to the subject of tolerance, you have a *bit*
>of a credibility problem. :-)


No, sir. its not my credibility, its your polarised vision which
looks at the whole world thru the glasses of political structures
of Muslims-vs-dhimmis. 

>
>-hd
  


---raj