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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: How about alt.visa.can?
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 03:53:13 GMT

bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca (Luc Bauwens) writes:
>rlerdorf@netcom.com (Rasmus Lerdorf) writes:
>>
>>Canada is also not picky about multiple citizenships and I would 
>>assume the same would apply to multiple permanent residencies.
> 
>I am sure that Canada doesn't care about you being a permanent 
>resident in other countries *if you are actually in Canada*.

I'm told by people who are landed immigrants (a term that I don't
like as much as permanent resident though more descriptive, much
better than resident alien anyways ... ah, definitions!) going to
school here in the States is that they have one of the few excuses
to "freeze" the clock counting towards their citizenship ... else,
the clock starts ticking BACKWARDS and Immigration Canada knows of
it when you come back into the country from abroad (I don't know
whether there is a short period in which the clock merely freezes,
or if it starts decrementing immediately -- certainly an incentive
not to cross-border shop too often! (-;).

gld
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Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
From: rlerdorf@netcom.com (Rasmus Lerdorf)
Subject: Re: How about alt.visa.can?
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 16:56:11 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

stella@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Ricky Suave Stella) writes:

>But I knew someone that did ask this.  In this case, this person was Italian
>Argentinian.  He wanted to become Canadian. And when asked what country he
>was citizen from, he said both.  So the Canadian officer told him that he 
>was going to loose the Italian but not the Argentinian.  Why? You can't hold
>both Italian and Canadian.

You are still missing the point.  The fact that you cannot be both Italian
and Canadian is an Italian rule and has nothing to do with Canadian
immigration laws.  

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From: cariapa@Tied-House.Stanford.EDU (Sandeep Cariapa)
Subject: Re: H-1B approval, how long?
Organization: EECF, Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 16:50:46 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.142619.6522@cis.ohio-state.edu>, menon@cis.ohio-state.edu 
|> (Satish Menon) writes:
|> I am looking for information on how long it takes to get the H-1B
|> approval from INS these days. So, if you have got a H-1 approval after
|> the new immigration laws went into effect please send mail on how long
|> it took for the approval.

	Satish, I have heard that it takes between 4 to 6 weeks	after filing for
approval. 

	Does anybody know how the labor certification process works now? Is it
the same as before, where an ad is placed in a journal? I remember reading
somewhere that the process had somehow changed so that the H1 processing and the
labor certification were now the same. Is that true? 
Thanks,

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From: envrej@epb2.lbl.gov (Richard Jansky)
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
Subject: Re: Help
Date: 29 Jul 1992 17:23:59 GMT
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In article <1992Jul28.164029.1638@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu>, porsupah@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
|> In article <1992Jul28.181449.30589@dcc.uchile.cl>, pchris@dcc.uchile.cl (Chris Perleberg) writes:
|> 
|>  Seconded. I'm aware of the procedure involved in obtaining the magic green
|> card through employment (/very/ straightforward :-P), and the timescale
|> (typically a year, but anywhere between 6-24 months - please correct me if you 
|> know better), but a summary of the different categories, with their
|> requirements, associated rights, and timescales, would be most helpful.
|> 

The above statement is incorrect. The process to obtain a labor certification
is about 6 months from sending the ad to approval.
The INS has currently a 8 months waiting period for the interview.

Richard

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From: avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov)
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
Subject: a question about H-4
Date: 31 Jul 1992 15:13:24 -0400
Organization: Berkeley Software Design
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Excuse me for the ignorance, but does a person with H-4 have
a right to be employed? If not what it the procedure to get a
working permit? What are the rules about self-employment (i.e.
can she start her own small business?)

Thank you!

-vadim
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
From: rlerdorf@netcom.com (Rasmus Lerdorf)
Subject: Re: How about alt.visa.can?
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 17:31:19 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:

>I've seen enough queries in Misc.jobs.misc and Soc.culture.canada to
>justify it.  It can serve to clarify questions on the Free Trade Agt.
>work visas (TC in the U.S.) that citizens of either country (sorry,
>not permanent residents) can use to work in the other one, as well
>as other questions.

Why does it have to be related to the US at all?  There are enough people
in the world who have no desire to live in the US, but dream about getting
into Canada..

>One burning question I'd have is: how long would it take for a
>Canadian citizen to bring a foreign spouse into the country, and would
>it matter if the spouse was a permanent resident of a third country?

If you are a permanent resident of Canada or a Canadian citizen, getting
your spouse a permanent residence status is automatic and is usually done
in under 3 months.  Canada is also not picky about multiple citizenships
and I would assume the same would apply to multiple permanent residencies.

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Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
From: menon@cis.ohio-state.edu (Satish Menon)
Subject: H-1B approval, how long?
Originator: menon@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:26:19 GMT

I am looking for information on how long it takes to get the H-1B
approval from INS these days. So, if you have got a H-1 approval after
the new immigration laws went into effect please send mail on how long
it took for the approval.

Thanks

Satish Menon
(menon@cis.ohio-state.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: Getting a job in the US
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:30:09 GMT

If you are a Canadian citizen, get the job by starting on practical
training (avoid FICA) and then transition to the TC visa available to
citizens of the US and Canada working in each other's countries, upon
expiry of practical training.  American students in Canada have to go
directly to the TC, as we have no practical training that I have heard
of.  The TC is a personal visa, obtainable with a job offer, annually
renewable after obtaining it for the initial year, and thus there is
no direct sponsorship on the part of your employer.

My resume includes the following line:

"Canadian; eligible to work under the U.S.-Canada Free Trade Agreement"

The only problem stateside is that while NAFTA negotiations are in the
news, most companies don't know about the existing FTA and to make
things worse, will sometimes confuse the two.

gld
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Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
From: rlerdorf@netcom.com (Rasmus Lerdorf)
Subject: Re: Immigration officer ignorance (was: Greenland status?)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 20:35:46 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

gumby@Cygnus.COM (David V. Henkel-Wallace) allegedly wrote:

>   Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 05:59:57 GMT
>   From: rlerdorf@netcom.com (Rasmus Lerdorf)

>   I had a hard enough time convincing Canadian immigration officials that
>   Greenland was not an independant country.

>He finally pointed to the crown on the cover (this tells you how long
>ago this was) and asked, "Is this part of Britain?"  Swallowing hard I
>said "Yes" and he let me through (this was a western European country!)

Well, I doubt that it takes a degree in geography to become an immigration
officer.  Yet, it does surprise me that this happened in Europe.  

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Newsgroups: alt.visa.us,misc.legal,soc.culture.usa
From: lagman@CS.ColoState.EDU (annette)
Subject: Re: X-Y-Z of nonimmigrant visa (humor)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:17:42 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University

In article <1992Jul29.043338.2915@tamsun.tamu.edu> e422sk@tamuts.tamu.edu (Kalara Sunny) writes:
 
>  	INS was upset that none of the movies SupermanI,II,III clarified
>  	superman and his friends immigration status, So they created V category.

   	   Since he was here before 198?, I think he was granted amnesty.

Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
From: lucy@beaufort.sfu.ca (Lucy Chan)
Subject: TC-1 visa questions
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:37:39 GMT

I'm planning to move to the U.S. in the near future and would like to take
advantage of the TC-1 visa, which allows Canadians with bachelors degrees to
obtain a U.S. work visa with a minimum of hassles. From what I have researched,
it sounds like I would just have to show up at an INS office at one of the
border crossings (land or airport), show them my degree and a letter offering
me a job in one of the categories listed for the visa, fill in the forms,
give them 50 bucks, and they'll give me the visa. Some questions I'm hoping
that net.people can answer:

1) Some of the jobs that I've applied for have a title such as "marketing
   communications coordinator", which isn't covered by the visa. However,
   some of the duties that would be performed, such as graphic design
   and technical writing, are covered by the visa. If I have an employer
   write a letter offering me a job as "a marketing communications
   coordinator, working as a graphic designer and technical publications
   writer for XYZ company", would that satisfy the INS office?

2) Does anyone have an up-to-date version of the list of "Occupations and
   Professions Eligible for Temporary Entry to the United States" (a/k/a
   Schedule 2 to Annex 1502.1)? I have a list obtained from a book called
   "Doing Business in the U.S.A. Under Free Trade" (Self-Counsel Press,
   1481 Charlotte Rd, North Vancouver, BC, Canada, V7J 1H1 _or_ 
   1704 N. State Rd, Bellingham, WA, USA, 98225) but the book was last
   updated in 1990.

3) Testimonials requested: is the TC-1 process as simple as it sounds?
   Has anyone had problems obtaining one?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Lucy_Chan@sfu.ca
From: bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca (Luc Bauwens)
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
Subject: Re: How about alt.visa.can?
Date: 31 Jul 92 04:00:29 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <Jul.30.12.19.53.1992.3736@gandalf.rutgers.edu> stella@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Ricky Suave Stella) writes:
>
>Canada accepts double citizenship (not multiple) with some countries, ie
>Argentina and recently the US.  It will not accept dual citizenship with
>Italy (where you are Italian by blood and not where you are born)
 
I think you got it upside down.  Canada does not care about other
citizenship that you might carry.  They don't even ask.  I know of
a case of a person with four citizenship; my kids got three.

Now they might loose some of those *if the other country* finds out.

So, it may well be that Italy care, or Argentina.  But it's not that 
Canada minds.

>It doesn't allow multiple permanent residencies.  Only one.  And the 
>requirements of not loosing it are much tougher than on any other country.
>You must be in Canadian territory for at least 180 days of any particualr
>year.

But what about being in Canada but maintaining permanent residence
elsewhere?

And BTW, the 180 days is, except if you obtain a Returning Resident
Permit (I was in the US for 5.5 years on a Returning Resident
Permit and had no trouble at all).

Now, *if you are working, say in the US* and you become a permanent
resident there, it's another story.  Still, I think it's up to
the immigration officer to decide.  It may well be that if you 
would take a job, say, in Quatar, and became a permanent resident
there, the immigration officer would believe you if you told him
that no, you don't really plan to stay there, just weathering the recession.

Luc B
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: How about alt.visa.can?
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:18:17 GMT

stella@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Ricky Suave Stella) writes:
>
>Another example of this was when I became Italian.  When I applied for 
>it, I did it in Toronto's Italian Consulate.  First thing I was aske 
>was "you are not Canadian, are you?" I asked why and they told me they 
>coudn't issue me an Italian passport without loosing my Canadian 
>citizenship.
>
>It used to be the case with the US until not too long ago, when they 
>agreed to accept dual citizenships.

Ricky -- it sounds like the problem is on the Italian end, not the
Canadian one.  I don't know if it's political, or whether the dual
citizenship they allow with the U.S. has to do with "legacy" passport
applicants from America who want to work in Europe (like all those
young Americans getting Irish passports).

gld
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From: stella@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Ricky Suave Stella)
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
Subject: Re: Help
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:44:34 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

envrej@epb2.lbl.gov (Richard Jansky) writes:

>In article <1992Jul28.164029.1638@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu>, porsupah@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>|> In article <1992Jul28.181449.30589@dcc.uchile.cl>, pchris@dcc.uchile.cl (Chris Perleberg) writes:
>|> 
>|>  Seconded. I'm aware of the procedure involved in obtaining the magic green
>|> card through employment (/very/ straightforward :-P), and the timescale
>|> (typically a year, but anywhere between 6-24 months - please correct me if you 
>|> know better), but a summary of the different categories, with their
>|> requirements, associated rights, and timescales, would be most helpful.
>|> 

>The above statement is incorrect. The process to obtain a labor certification
>is about 6 months from sending the ad to approval.
>The INS has currently a 8 months waiting period for the interview.


WRONG!... The first statement was true.  Labor certification can take between
3 to 18 months, depending on what state the employer is located... ie, in NY
it takes about 18 months.. in NJ only 6...

INS usually takes 3 months, no matter how busy they are, though interviews
tend to take longer...

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Newsgroups: alt.visa.us,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.china
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Subject: newgroup alt.visa.us
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[Please note Reply-To and Followup-To headers.]

alt.visa.us	Discussions/Information on visas pertaining to US.

---Original charter as posted in alt.config-------
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Status:	Unmoderated

Charter:	

o	All announcements and discussions reg. US visas.
o	Presently soc.culture.china and soc.culture.indian carry a lot
	of discussions on visas (SCC and SCI are among the big 25) and
	it would be worthwhile to put it all such material in the alt
	group. There are mailing lists for the same purpose too.
o	This is only a request for discussion. Please let alt.config
	know about any objections/brickbats/bouquets etc.
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	group. Please let me know if they are any.
o	I personally feel that the newgroup may be restricted to
	"usa". Is there any interest outside of USA?
o	Any other points?

Sridhar.
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The responses (a couple by email and one on alt.config) suggested a
wider distribution. Hence this newgroup is sent out to "world".

No objections were raised. Please mail me if you have queries
related to this message. Thanks,

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Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
From: reznik@robios.me.wisc.edu (Dan S. Reznik)
Subject: J-1 2 year rule
Organization: U. Wisconsin-Madison, Robotics Laboratory
Distribution: alt.visa.us
Date: 27 Jul 92 10:18:34


First of all congrats for the creation of this newsgroup. It should be
of great help for many of us, foreigners, living, working and/or
studying here in the US. We are often faced with a set of rules and
laws overwhelmingly complex.

I have a question about my J-1 Visa and the so-called 2-year rule.
Does the latter immediately apply to anyone having a J-1 Visa ? My
understanding was that this would only be true if the visa-holder had
received some form of government funding (either from his home country
or from the US) to support his stay. Can anybody elaborate on that ?

Dan Reznik
Robotics Lab
UW-Madison
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
From: dasu@sscux1.ssc.gov (Sridhara Dasu)
Subject: Re: H-1B approval, How long?
Organization: SSC Laboratory, Dallas, TX
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:42:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.142301.6143@cis.ohio-state.edu> menon@cis.ohio-state.edu (Satish Menon) writes:

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   I am looking for information on how long it takes to get the H-1B
   approval from INS these days. So, if you have got a H-1 approval after
   the new immigration laws went into effect please send mail on how long
   it took for the approval.

   Thanks

   Satish Menon
   (menon@cis.ohio-state.edu)


My employer (UW-Madison) applied for H-1B in early Jan. soon after the new
rules were written. The approval came in late Feb. The process included
the labor departement aprooval. Part of the delay can be attributed to
the backlog caused due to confusion during Oct.91-Jan.92 when there were
no new rules available. I would say count on 4-6 weeks.
				- Sridhara Dasu
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
From: pchris@dcc.uchile.cl (Chris Perleberg)
Subject: Re: Help
Originator: pchris@pehuen
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:14:49 GMT
Reply-To: pchris@dcc.uchile.cl
Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion


In article <PRZEMEK.92Jul28121121@rrdstrad.nist.gov>, przemek@rrdstrad.nist.gov (Przemek Klosowski) writes:
> 
> I went once to the library and looked up the US Code, containing the 
> immigration act which includes the complete classification of visas. In 
> fact, the visa designations (F1, H1 etc) come from the names of sections 
> of this law. I don't have the proper reference to the publication, but 
> any reference librarian will be able to provide it

Anybody out there that can post the visa designations and their description?
It could be interesting to a lot of people outside the US (and inside ;-) 
that are considering getting, changing, or renewing a visa.

Thanks,	
	Chris Perleberg
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
From: sgs1679@usl.edu (Sudhindranath Sira G)
Subject: F-1 ---> F-2 conversion.
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:11:24 GMT

The subject line says it all. How easy/difficult is such a
conversion ? Does the person have to go back to the country
where the original (F-1) visa was issued ? Or is it possible to 
get the conversion done in USA itself ?

And, with specific reference to India ---- will there be any
problem regarding RBI and release of foreign exchange ?

Please mail/post your responses.

Thank you.

Regards,

--Sudhi.

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Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
From: tipparaju@lheavx.gsfc.nasa.gov (SURYARAO TIPPARAJU)
Subject: a revalidation of F1 required for late entry?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA/GSFC Laboratory For High Energy Astrophysics
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:23:00 GMT


	My friend has been issued a F1 visa to start his graduate
	studies from aug'92.  His visa is valid until some time in 
	1993.  He wants to postpone his arrival until decenmber 92
	to start his program from dec92/jan93.  

	The university has no problem to issue a new I20 to this
	effect; but does he need to go to the consulte for any reason?
	does he need any kind of revalidation?

	Anyone knows the source of gov. publications for specific rules/laws 
        regarding this and similar issues?
	

	thanks


	tipparaju 
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