From: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's))
Subject: Re: Get Your Pet Neutered
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:02:08 GMT

In article <C1Fr0p.r82@austin.ibm.com> me@vikings.austin.ibm.com (Michael E) writes:
>In article <C1F7Cv.Dsy@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's)) writes:
>>In article <roop-250193094144@karen.swarthmore.edu> roop@cc.swarthmore.edu (Karen Roop) writes:
>>>In article <31781@nntp_server.ems.cdc.com>, nancyl@ems.cdc.com (Nancy
>>>Little) wrote:
>>>
>>><Stuff Deleted>
>>>
>>>If your not a reputible breeder (one with many years of proven experience)
>>>- SPAY AND NEUTER YOUR PET.  
>>>
>>
>>Only one problem... To become a reputible breeder with "many years of 
>>proven experience" you have to either breed a lot of dogs
>No. experience comes with working with current masters of breeding. Work
>with such people and they can provide hands-on experience (after all
>they appreciate a helping hand now and then). 
>s

Yes that too, but you stil have to BREED the dogs.  Not every pup ends up a
show dog.  Yes I know about working with current established breeders, but they in 
turn must breed dogs in order to contine their work and "hands-on experience".
The point is, you will have to breed in order to gain experience and to
gain more experience and to become even better at judging your breed you
need both to  study a lot of materials and
test your breeding approaches through breeding.
Sometimes your research leads you to the "perfect breeing" only to result in a       
litter of all pet quality dogs.  It happens, not intentially, but it does happen.
As a result you have just contributed to the pet over-population by
getting a litter that  you can not show and need to place in pet homes.
The responsible breeder will place every pup in that litter on spay-neuter 
contracts and not repeat that breeding.  Sometimes champions come from the
most unexpected places like a pet-quality dogs with a very sound and complete
backgroud where their Champion litter mates only produce average quality pups.


>> ... or spend some
>>time studying.
>Heaven forbid! OF COURSE YOU NEED TO STUDY! Would you prefer going
>to a doctor who didn't study? Or a lawyer? Or your vet?
>
>Sorry to sound harsh, but your statement struck me as silly. I know
>you probably didn't mean to say it.
>
>>  The only way to get there is to eventually breed some dogs,
>>and yes, usually it starts out as a person getting a "pet" and
>>ending up "Hooked" in the world of dogdom.  
>And such people end up produce dogs that I and many others have to
>put down. Just because it's usual does not make it right.  
>
>>I have no gripe about encouraging people to spay/neuter pets,
>>but no one can force them to do so.  They best way is for all
>>breeders to place "pets" on spay/neuter only, no exceptions.
>Bravo. I agree completely. But many breeders breed to make money
>and the money comes from breedable dogs. How to make such
>people breed for love and not the green- I don't know how to solve
>that without legislation and repressive enforcement. Suggestions?
>
>>Then we have to get the "pet stores:" out of the picture.
>>I know of two people right now that have "Pet store" dogs
>>that are breeding them and selling pups for outragous prices
>>because they wouldn't take the time to find a reputatable breeder
>>and do it the proper way.
>I wonder if we can legislate them out of selling animals like this.
>Active boycotting probably would work faster, but there's no
>long term effect.
>
>>
>>>There are enough unwanted pets in this world!!!! 
>>>
>>
>>Yes, there are, but you will find that almost all those
>>in shelterrs come from "DIS-reputable breeders".
>>(Meaning, if you don't care that your puppies end up in
>>shelters down the line -- you are a disreputable breeder
>>ain my opinion.)
>Regardless whose more at fault (owners or breeders), both problem
>sources need to change because both produce so much wasted lives.
>
>BTW, the primary source of sheltered dogs varies from area to area.
>

Hope I have corrected what was probably not the written in the best way.
I have a tendence to rush my writing between classes.  Keep reading my posts and you will see 
that my opionions are made from some experience.

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