HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: louis@aie.nl (Louis Kossen)
Subject: Re: What makes a giid guitarist?
Organization: AI Engineering BV, Amsterdam, Netherlands
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 10:45:26 GMT

In article <BxJ78G.Mzu@unix.amherst.edu> hjwulfso@unix.amherst.edu (Harris Wulfson) writes:
>Being able to play what you hear in your head doesn't make you a good 
>guitarist. It makes you a good musicain. Let's say you are a great 
>musician and you play the clarinet, and you have great ear-hand
>coordination and you also can read. You're still not a good _guitarist_!
>    A good guitarist is someone who plays good music on the guitar.
>How 'bout that?!

You couldn't have said it better. I like guitarists who play in a natural
way and not in an academic way. I would call Lou Reed a very good guitarist
as well as Blixa Bargeld of Einsturzende Neubauten. It's obvious that
they can't play in a way Steve Vai and Satriani do but in my opinion the
last two are technical good but their music is boring for me. I can
understand that people who play guitar very well have more feeling for
the music these guys play.

I play guitar now for about 5 years, I have never had any lessons and I
still don't understand a damn thing about the guitar. Nevertheless I am
very enthousiastic about playing and I try to be far from any technical
knowledge as far as possible. Off course, it's handy if you know the
names of the chords. It makes communication with the people you are 
playing more easy. For the rest I would say let your ears do the rest
as far as possible (ha ha ha ha ha). The advantage of being a very poor
guitarist is that you never have to deal with  the challenge to make music more 
difficult than needed. The last thing is the great disadvantage fo being
a great guitar player with a great technical background. Even songs of
two or three chord can be fun to play and listen to. 

Louis, an enthousiastic but bad guitarist.
--
From: brunetm@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Brunet Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: Re: buzzing noises
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:40:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.1992Nov12.144013.3755
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <1992Nov11.224757.5737@cs.tulane.edu> butterwo@cs.tulane.edu (Blake Butterworth) writes:
>
>    I already posted this question to alt.guitar, but since some of you may
>not have had the chance to see it, I'll ask again.  Every time I plug my
>guitar into my amp, I can hear a faint buzzing noise in the background.  It
>occurs only while I am -not- touching something metal on the guitar like the
>strings or bridge.  I'm pretty sure that the problem is with the guitar.  If
>someone knows what my problem is or how to fix it, could you email me?
>Thanks
>
    I don't thing that the problem is with your guitar cause when you touch the 
metal part of your guit you stop the problem. Simply, the guitar's bridge is
shield with the electronic so the string and keys are. When you touch the strings
you are doind a ground to the amp. The may be the amp. Check you if you have ground
switch on your amp, it's the commun problem. Next, check if you amp has a ground
(if you have a 3 pin plug) and if your house is ground to the earth(old house aren't
ground to the earth).

    The other problem can be your pickups. Most problem are single. Do you have 
jap fender or any single coil guitar? When you have single coil, these are less
"ground" and when you're playing they get every magnetic field around (T.V. radio,
amp, light...). So just move as far as possible of every magnetic source and find out
if it's the problem.That's the only help I can give.


 {Electric CountryMan}

 
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: claire@chopin.udel.edu (Claire Elizab Barna)
Subject: Re: Favorite Pickups (was Re: First Post?)
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:13:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.090444.24979@paramount.nikhefk.nikhef.nl> templon@paramount.nikhefk.nikhef.nl (Jeffrey Templon) writes:
>srfergu@rufus.erenj.com (Scott Ferguson) writes:
>
>>Here's a thread to start: What's your favorite single-coil pickup?
>>I've got a Jap Strat that's reall noisy. I've played the Strat Pluses that
>>have FenderLace Sensors, and they're much quieter. I put a FenderLace in
>>my Strat, but it's still pretty noisy. Anyone know how to quiet this 
>>baby?
>
>On favorites - the single coil on a real stratocaster.  Not too
>noisy at least not for me!  I have heard from many that the
>best solution for Jap Strat pickups' problems is to buy another
>set of pickups ...  My favorite single coil on a real Strat is
>the neck one!
>
>The Fender Laces are nice if you like that sound, but they are
>a bit too smooth for me.  I should mention that the American
>Standard Stratocaster won "Best Clean Tone" Honors in the recent
>"19 Guitars Under $750" rating in Guitar Player magazine.
>A good article.
>
>					JT
I am a beginner looking for a cheap acoustic guitar. Please e-mail if
you have one or know anybody who wants to sell one.
(claire)


Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Post #1. . .Hurray!!
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:37:06 GMT

>>So what's this newsgroup about?
>>
>>How is it different than alt.guitar?


>	Well, there is no difference in content.  The only difference
>is in the name.  The alt. music groups are going to be removed
>soon so get used to this group.

Also, the signal-to-noise ratio is MUCH lower in rec.
newsgroups than the ones on alt.


						Buck
From: kevin@sherman.pas.rochester.edu (kevin mcfadden)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: Re: Heritage Prodigy????
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:12:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Rochester

Make that the Heritage 535? or 550?

Kev
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: figmo@netcom.com (Lynn Gold)
Subject: Re: Acoustic Guitars...
Organization: The Burn the Candle at Both Ends Club
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 09:16:31 GMT

I recently bought a used Takamine 12 string for just under $200.00.
(I then took it to another guitar place; they said they'd give me
$350.00 for it! :-) )

If you buy a used guitar, you'll get a better deal than if you buy a
new one.  There are bargains to be had where the outside finish is
less than perfect but the body is intact, such as my Takamine.

Of course, if you're just learning for the first time, you might want
to consider a Fender, Yamaha, or Epiphone acoustic.

Whatever you do, don't buy the $20.00 guitar from Sears; that was MY
first guitar (Dad wouldn't let me pay more than $25.00 and INSISTED it
HAD to be NEW, and I was under age).  Its action was so awful I had to
play it wearing band-aids.

--Lynn



Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:10702 rec.music.synth:17688 news.groups:20252 news.admin:8286
From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,news.groups,news.admin
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Date: 5 Nov 92 01:06:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: bradley.1992Nov5.010656.12128
Organization: Bradley University

dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes) writes:

>As a news admin and a reader of rec.music.synth, and noticing that the
>vote passed by one measly vote (there were 101 more yes than no votes)
>I am officially stating my intent to NOT honor the newgroup for 
>"rec.music.makers.synth" and to keep alive the "rec.music.synth" newsgroup.

The vote adhered to Usenet guidelines.  Note that the guidelines don't say
"100 plus enough of a cushion to make us feel warm and fuzzy".  That is
what the 100 vote margin requirement is THERE FOR.  So if you wanna screw
up your own users, that's your decision.


>My reasons are the following:
>
>1) There are many mailing lists and other ilk that are connected to r.m.s.
>as well as a few international MIDI networks that are connected to it. 

And how were they connected in the first place?  It can't be that hard to
change, maybe a couple strings here and there?  If it's more than just a
simple name change, then say so.  Even then, it probably won't do you much
good because you should have said something when the THREE discussions were
going on.


>2) The group name makes absolutely NO SENSE for the intended audience.

I disagree.  It makes perfect sense.  This newsgroup is primarily
frequented by people who create music using synthesizers.  Therefore,
rec.music.makers.synth makes sense for the intended audience, and it is
also sufficiently descriptive enough to give new readers an idea of what to
expect.


>3) It wasn't broken, why was it "fixed"? 

It was fixed because the other related newsgroups were 'broken', and one
goal of the referendum was to create a logically sound hierarchy of
related newsgroups, which was accomplished.  To leave rec.music.synth the 
way it was would have been introducing inconsistency.


>As always on the net, I am open to discussions and debate. Flames even.
>I also encourage other news admins out there to look into this problem as an
>example of an officially sanctioned act that will turn out to inconvienence
>a lot of people. This is bogus, folks.

I don't see how you can say it's bogus.  All the Usenet guidelines were
followed, and all five of the votes passed by the margins required, so if
there were a lot of people who felt they were being inconvenienced, they
must not have voted.

I personally think you're abusing your position as a news administrator to
go against a net decision you don't oppose.  That's your prerogative, but
you're only hurting your own users, and your childish tantrum won't
accomplish much other than get a whole lot of people annoyed with you.

-- 
 davE.  Making the world safe for intelligent dance music.  dave@bradley.edu.
######### David L. Vessell -- Bradley University Computing Services #########
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,news.groups
From: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Reply-To: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Lab - Pasadena, CA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:31:51 GMT

martel@marvin.mr.sintef.no (Paulo Martel) writes:
>That's the problem with you, Dave... What will be your next charge when the
>current one doesn't suit your point any more ?...

Anything that I can find of substance. My central point still stands.
R.m.s readers do not want their name changed. 

>Let's face it, people. D.Lawrence and R.Kulawiec (sp?) conducted a perfectly
>correct voting process, 

Not entirely correct. The point has been made that the CFV was not entirely
clear. 

>and you (David) have been jumping from argument to
>argument in a desperate attempt to make your point come trough. 

Damn straight. 

>less and less convincing. NOW LISTEN.You do one of two things:
>   a) Issue a formal CFD on the appropriate groups for renaming 
>      r.m.m.s back to r.m.s.

Done.

>   b) Shut up and accept the vote 

Never. My site will not rmgroup r.m.s.

>one more I want to add. I think that most of the noise around the renaming
>started with Joe Macmahon's (sp?) cry that the connection between 
>rec.music.synth and SYNTH-L would be lost. 

True. SYNTH-L goes to a lot of places. That would truly be a shame that a
few control freaks have ruined it for the rest of that list. 

>doesn't want to bother the people who are allowing him to run SYNTH-L for
>free, then again he will be the sole responsible for the break. If he says he
>doesn't care, then I hope that SYNTH-L readers don't care either.

Not true. He didn't do anything to break it. 
-- 
Dave Hayes - Network & Communications Engineering - JPL / NASA - Pasadena CA
dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov       dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov         ...usc!elroy!dxh

    What seems to be absurdity and is not, 
         is better than the ignorance of the man who thinks it is absurd.
Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:10848 rec.music.synth:18175 news.groups:20983 news.admin:8439
From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,news.groups,news.admin
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored 
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 11:33:48 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Distribution: world
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes) writes:
> cuz@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Cousin It) writes:
> >	Yes. It is absolutely good practice. If you can't bother to
> >look at CFVs and CFDs posted in a group that you read, tough. It's
> >your fault.
> 
> I don't buy that for a second. If you'd have looked at the subject line,
> being a random r.m.s reader, you'd have thought the subject a crosspost
> of no relavence (and it's not like that doesn't happen all the time). 

Oh, Christ on a Bike.  It's rec.arts.startrek all over again.  Take this crap
to the weenie newsgroup.


mathew

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: US30139@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU
Subject: Re: Jazz Improvisation Primer
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 13:55:58 CST

Help!
 
I'm trying to get to ftp site njit.edu; however njit.edu will not accept
anonymous as the user for me.  Is there some other user name I should be
using?
----------
MikeJames
US30139@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU
From: smithj@sr.hp.com (Jim Smith)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored 
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:45:54 GMT
Organization: no risk to you!
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

David Vessell (dave@bradley.bradley.edu) wrote:
: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes) writes:
: 
: It was fixed because the other related newsgroups were 'broken', and one
: goal of the referendum was to create a logically sound hierarchy of
: related newsgroups, which was accomplished.  To leave rec.music.synth the 
: way it was would have been introducing inconsistency.

Gee, then I wonder how the creation of rec.music.banjo slipped by the
net-dogooder talons.

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: cwilliam@dunned.socal.com (Chris Williams)
Subject: Getting that great "tube distortion" sound on tape
Organization: Dunn-Edwards Corp. - Los Angeles, CA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:30:42 GMT

I've got a great sounding vintage Fender amp ('62 Temolux with matching 2x10"
cabinet), but I have not been able to capture its wonderful warm distortion
effectively on tape (Tascam TSR-8 1/2" 8 track). I'm miking it with the
standard issue SM-57. I have played around a bit with mike placement, moving
it within the range of 3" to about 1'6", but I always end up losing that
full-bodied sound. 

I've tried using my digital effect processor (Digitech GSP 7) for both pre and
post processing, and frequently end up recording direct. The GSP 7 seems to
sound best on the recordings when I go direct. Of course, it sounds great
when I use it live through my amp. But when I mike it, it sounds like crap :-/

Though I've got a vintage amp, I'm not just looking for the vintage
sound. (My band is somewhere between the Pixies, U2 and the Doors.)
I'd love to hear a discussion of guitar recording techniques that includes:

	- miking amps
	- EQ (pre and post)
	- Digital Effects Processors
	- Tube Pre-amps (and devices such as Sans-Amp, Quadraverb GT etc.)
	- Compressor/Limiters
	- Stomp Boxes, Rockman and other misc. devices

Does anyone have some light to shed on this elusive art?

-- 
Chris Williams 			chris@dunned.socal.com
Dunn-Edwards Corporation	Home
4885 E. 52nd Place		5940 Airdrome St.
Los Angeles, CA 90040 		Los Angeles, CA 90035
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: doit@ihspb.ih.att.com (45261-Roeseler)
Subject: ART SGX-2000 patches
Reply-To: a.roeseler@att.com
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:31:30 GMT
Originator: doit@ihspb


Anybody interested in swapping ART SGX-2000 patches? E-mail me and
I set up an alias for us to speed up the trial-and-error process.

Armin
a.roeseler@att.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,news.groups,news.admin
From: emcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Followups-To: news.groups,news.admin
Organization: Intellection, Inc.
	<1992Nov5.203852.29784@jato.jpl.nasa.gov>
	<Bx9qJ6.D2o@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <BxABLq.2FE@unix.amherst.edu>
	<1992Nov6.184419.22560@jato.jpl.nasa.gov>
	<cuz.721098670@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 05:53:17 GMT

In article <cuz.721098670@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> cuz@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Cousin It) writes:

   Since it seems you are the only one complaining here, I think you
   should just drop it. Unless you want to go into the anals [sic] of
   net history with the likes of Kent Paul Dolan and Alok Viajaria.

The anals of net history?  Nobody deserves such a fate!  :)
-- 
Ed McGuire                   1603 LBJ Freeway, Suite 780
Systems Administrator/       Dallas, Texas 75234
 Member of Technical Staff   214/620-2100, FAX 214/484-8110
Intellection, Inc.           <ed@intellection.com>
From: CA.JNL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Joshua Loftus)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Sabine RT-1600 Summary
Date: 9 Nov 1992 12:46:21 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu



If you've managed to tear yourself away from the facinating debate
on r.m.m reorganization, I reward you with a little summary of what
I've heard from folks about rackmount tuners, the Sabine RT-1600 in
particular...

I received messages from 5 people.  Everyone that has a Sabine is
perfectly pleased with it.  The Sabine is:

* Very inexpensive (compared to other rackmounts)
* Easy to use
* Accurate
* Fast
* The little LEDs are easy to see across a dimly lit stage
* Handles low freq (low B on a 5 or 6 string bass) very well

No one reported any quality control problems w/ the Sabine.  A few
knocks on the Sabine:

- The LED's are easy to see, but the letters under them which
designate the frequency you are tuning to are *not*.  The only ways
around this problem are to memorize the relative positions of the
notes you use most often and hope you only have to tweak a little
during a gig, or buy a Juice Goose/Furman power supply with lamps in
it to illuminate the legend.

- The unit is *very* sensitive, so you have to give it a second for
the string to stablize on pitch before you start tuning.  This is
especially noticable if you pluck hard, causing the note to read a
little sharp.  (this may be a quality found in many tuning devices)

- Sabine has essentially taken their hand-held tuner, put it in a
rackmountable box, and jacked the price way up.  However, it is
still the least expensive model I've seen on the market.


Well, it sounds to me like the Sabine works great in a studio or
other well-lit environment.  As far as stage use, it's just a matter
of how dependent you will be on your tuner to stay in tune;
as you know you're off by a few cents to a half step, you can tune
your open strings quickly and easily.  If you really need an
explicit display of the note you are playing, you might look at some
other options:

Korg DT-1-Pro
Roland (don't know of any particular model)
Boss TU-50
Peterson Strobe Tuners

Any other comments?


Thanks for your time!
Joshua Loftus
ca.jnl@forsythe.stanford.edu
------------------------------------------------------Towhead

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,news.groups,news.admin
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Disagreement about music group reorg
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:23:21 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov:
>We did it with Alok...conforming to the spirit of the guidelines instead
>of the letter. Why is everybody now arguing the reverse?

Perhaps because most people don't think that the spirit was violated
sufficiently to justify tossing the vote.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "I am truly as big a genius as all other Rush fans." -- Bruce Bufalini
Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:10745 rec.music.synth:17825 news.groups:20418 news.admin:8315
From: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,news.groups,news.admin
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored 
Date: 6 Nov 92 10:57:48 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Nov5.203852.29784@jato.jpl.nasa.gov>, dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes) writes:
> There now appears to be a consensus of evidence that implies that the
> discussions WEREN'T posted to rec.music.synth.

The following are the headers from the 3rd RFD. Note that
rec.music.synth is in the Newsgroups: header:

>Path: kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!caen!uunet!uunet!bounce-back
>Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,alt.guitar,alt.guitar.bass,alt.guitar.tab
>Subject: 3rd RFD: rec.music.makers.* groups
>Message-ID: <BuBy7w.C0C@uunet.uu.net>
>From: rsk@aspen.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
>Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:26:19 GMT
>Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence)
>Followup-To: news.groups
>Organization: Cardiothoracic Imaging Research Center
>Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net
>Lines: 61

>...
>Proposal E: Rename rec.music.synth to rec.music.makers.synth
>Charter: "Synthesizers and computer music"  [UNCHANGED FROM CURRENT]


	The rationale for moving the group is to place it with
	other newsgroups specifically designed for the discussion of
	instruments and techniques.  While discussion in this group
	also covers samplers, organs, pianos, MIDI devices, etc.,
	it does not seem appropriate to make a possible subdivision
	and/or renaming of this group part of this proposal.
-- 
USmail: Bob Sloane, University of Kansas Computer Center, Lawrence, KS, 66045
E-mail: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu, sloane@ukanvax.bitnet, AT&T: (913)864-0444 
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,news.groups,news.admin
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 05:59:55 GMT

In <1992Nov9.192254.2285@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes) writes:
>>Okay.  Those who care, will find out what they want to know.  Those
>>who don't care, won't.  Therefore, those who care _will_ know how to
>>involve themselved in the process.
>What wonderful reasoning. "Care" is defined as "intent to know". How should
>a person even know that they need to care? Some people think newsgroups
>are set in stone...and they'd never change. Does that make them subject
>to your will because you know and they don't? 

You know, dave, you are free to force the world to care.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
         We are obviously very close to reproducing the Muslim paradise
                   where every orgasm lasts six hundred years
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Music Group Reorg Disagreement
Date: 13 Nov 1992 18:11:39 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <JAAPJL.92Nov13105202@cmb00.larc.nasa.gov> J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@larc.nasa.gov> writes:
>In article <74623@hydra.gatech.EDU> jkg@prism.gatech.EDU (Jim Greenlee) writes:
>   >Really?  What instrument is "percussion?"
>   It should be obvious - this is the group for piano players!
>
>Hmmm.  In a book I'm currently reading, the pianoforte and harpsichord
>are called string instruments.  Well, the book was originally printed
>in 1965.  And I guess theory collides with practice again. :-)

[I removed news.groups from the Newsgroups line.]

   It's a floor wax *and* a dessert topping!  Um, I mean, a piano
has strings, which are struck by a hammer, so it's both.  I believe
a harpsichord has strings which are (mechanically) plucked, so may
not qualify as a percussion instrument. :-)
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,news.groups,news.admin