HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From:  David Christopher Rogers <drogers@riacs.edu>
Subject: Re: BofA reverses BSA stand
Originator: drogers@solstice.riacs.edu
Organization: RIACS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 00:23:58 GMT

Given that General Neon has an account at BofA, I called them up,
announced that I was a customer of theirs, and expressed
my disappointment at their change.

First, the fellow claimed that BSA had changed their policy towards
gay scouts (and carefully explained their distinction between 
discrimination towards gay scouts (opposed to it) and gay leaders
(no problem with them).)  I gave direct quotes back from BSA spokesperson
stating otherwise.  He put me on hold and talked to his manager.

Next, he said that BSA had told THEM they had changed their policy; 
I asked them whether they planned to inquire further, and find out
the truth, and if the truth was that gay scouts are not allowed, if
they would reinstate their former policy.  Back to the manager.

Finally, he returned and told me he was in no position to speak for
the board, but he hoped they would find out the truth and act
accordingly.  I asked him to write down my comments, and asked for
an address to write to.

BofA Corporate Communications
Unit #3124
PO Box 37000
SF CA  94137

General Neon will be sure to write and ask them if they will reinstate
their policy if the BSA will not accept gay scouts.

David Christopher Rogers



Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Oregon
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 03:45:29 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: ca

In article <s#!n!2r.jfh@netcom.com> I wrote:
>
>Yes, the OCA is important, but that doesn't mean that nothing else is
>important.  The poster's apparent insistence that Oregon is the *only*
>topic worth discussion strikes me as fanaticism, and I do like it.
                                                          ^

Insert "not" at the caret.  Oops.
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Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: smith_bob_e@tandem.com (Robert Emery Smith)
Subject: Re: Filipino support groups ?
Followup-To: ba.motss
Organization: Tandem Computers
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:36:31 GMT

In article <16a02hINNoql@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, oprdxc@ucscb.UCSC.EDU
(99500000) wrote:
> 
> 
>  My new Filipino boyfriend has decided our relationship required
>  him to assert his independence and to some extent, come out to
>  some of his family. He is having more trouble with trying to gain
>  his independence than with anything else. I have some trouble
>  understanding how someone over 21 should be having so much 
>  trouble. He tells me it is his culture that dictates it so.
>  He seems to be torn between what he wants to do and what his
>  family tells him he must do. I thought if he could talk to 
>  other Filipinos who have had similiar issues, he might not
>  feel so all alone. Does anyone know of such a group in the
>  Bay area ?

An organization called Asian Americans for Community Involvement
(AACI) has started a support group for gay Asian men; it meets on
Wednesday nights in San Jose.  The coordinator is a great guy 
(recently graduated from UCSC) named Dino Ago, and his phone number 
is 408.452.5151.

                                    Bob
Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: max@queernet.org (Max J. Rochlin)
Subject: Re: Stop Smoking .
Organization: QueerNet
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 17:12:51 GMT

In article <16gocoINNbi7@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU writes:
>I know I will get flamed etc. for this, but as a 
>(non,never)smoker I really dislike other people
>smoking around me.

	I was a smoker once, but I know what you mean.

>Won't it be great to go to a bar/club where no one
>smoked?  

	It's been tried and failed.  There is a partial solution, 
	though.  GO to bars that have 'patios' like the Eagle or
	LoneStar in SF.  That way you can avoid the smoke

	...Max
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Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: wjw@leland.Stanford.EDU (Wilhelmus Johannes Wytenburg)
Subject: Morrison & Foerster:  any comments?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 18:25:52 GMT


A general question to all the motssies out there:
Does anyone have any info about or experience with 
the EOE/non-descrimination policy of the law firm
Morrison & Foerster?  Any comments about good, bad,
or indifferent experiences are welcomed.

Thanx,

wjw@leland.stanford.edu

------------------------ + ------------------------
From: max@queernet.org (Max J. Rochlin)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: Northern Exposure
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:25:14 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <F31qPB3w165w@llustig.palo-alto.ca.us> david@llustig.palo-alto.ca.us (David Schachter) writes:
>
>doesn't include Oregon... yet.  Now, what I want to know is: Why isn't there
>a decent chocolate store in Palo Alto open at 3:17 am?

	Most Palo Alto homes have a 32 byte chocolate cache, David.  At
	least they did when I lived there.  Keeping some Prolific Oven
	goodies around is also a good idea.

>(I want gratification, and I want it NOW.)

	Sometimes, instant gratification isn't quick enough!

	...Max

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Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: max@queernet.org (Max J. Rochlin)
Subject: Re: BofA reverses BSA stand
Organization: QueerNet
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 16:34:08 GMT

In article <Bt8vIv.Dzs@well.sf.ca.us> casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton) writes:
>
>Why is there reason to believe Wells Fargo won't do the same?

Well, if you make it clear that you're closing your account at BofA
and moving it to Wells because they have backbone maybe Wells won't.

In general, though, Banks have no interest in priniciple. (Money talks).

...Max

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Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Stop Smoking .
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 18:53:50 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <16gocoINNbi7@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU writes:
>
>Won't it be great to go to a bar/club where no one smoked?

Yes.  It's been tried.  Turns out that people who don't smoke also tend not
to drink, and bars aren't enthusiastic about losing money.

>Well go ahead now and give me a lot of shit.

Why the chip on your shoulder?


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From: pauli@sgi.com (Paul Isaacs)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: Stop Smoking .
Date: 14 Aug 92 23:46:04 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics

In article <16gocoINNbi7@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU writes:
>I know I will get flamed etc. for this, but as a 
>(non,never)smoker I really dislike other people
>smoking around me.
>
>Won't it be great to go to a bar/club where no one
>smoked?  Well go ahead now and give me a lot of shit.



You should probably just stay home.


pauli.
From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: The melody lingers on
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:44:52 GMT
Organization: Memes-R-Us
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

AT.PLC@forsythe.stanford.edu (PCURRY (415)723-0730) writes:

>Did I mis-remember a melody, or tonight while George, Barbara, and
>all the little Bushes were standing on the podium, did the band
>jubilantly play over and over a song from "La Cage aux Folles"?
>Well, that's family values by my lights.

Hear, hear !!		(-:

-- richard


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Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye)
Subject: Re: Northern Exposure
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 19:29:16 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ca

In article <1992Aug17.145614.7794@pcnntp.apple.com> (Craig Webb) writes:
>Don't you people have anything better to do than discuss your
>being irritated because your clothing smells of smoke upon
>returning from a bar?  Jeepers.  Why isin't there a non-smoking
>bar here?  I don't know and don't care.  It's things like the
>following that irritate me.  Doesn't it you?
>Smelling cigarette smoke in your clothes.  Come On!
>
You are so right. My unending pursuit of the perfect buffalo caprese
and pinot grigio, my obsession with baseball and the grand opera and
my trivial concern with the health effects of smoking have been the result
of a False Consciousness and a Reactionary Upringing that only now,
as a result of your Clarion Call, I can discard in the hopes of
becoming a Pure and Righteously Ascetic Demigod Who Knows What Is
Important. My wasted hedonistic life is at an end and a New Millenium
is at hand!  
>
[long description of Oregon Measure 9 and Colorado Initiative 2
omitted since it is being extensively discussed in soc.motss and
elsewhere]

>Please, enjoy washing your clothes.

Thank you, but I have an excellent french laundry that does it
quite well for me.


-- 
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                         Fax: 805.944.5958
From: deutsch@SMLI.Eng.Sun.COM (L. Peter Deutsch)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Oregon
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:23:28 GMT
	<g29mnzq.foucault@netcom.com> <1992Aug18.152845.10985@pcnntp.apple.com>
	<1992Aug18.213450.21650@spdcc.com>
Distribution: ca
Organization: Sun Microsystems Laboratories Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: luxembourg
In-reply-to: dyer@spdcc.com's message of 18 Aug 92 21:34:50 GMT

> I don't know whether to stomp on this twit or ignore him.

I'd like to back off from the personalities and agree with some of the
intent of the original posting, namely, to call attention to the fact that
something very threatening to important aspects of our lives is being put
to a vote in Oregon, and that it's worth spending some time discussing how
best to influence the outcome.

For example, I'd be really grateful if someone could post the name and
address of some good organization in Oregon that's actively working against
this despicable piece of proposed legislation, so I could send money.

On the other hand, this is ba.motss (I don't read soc.motss), so if this is
all being discussed on soc.motss, my apologies; I'd appreciate it if
someone could forward the information I requested to me privately.

			Thanks --

					Peter-the-bear
From: casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Text of US Bishops' Letter?
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:00:06 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link


Does anyone have the text to the (purported) letter from US Roman Catholic
Bishops re "gay rights" and the *source* of this letter?  If you don't
know the source, I'll take the text only.  Thank you!
-- 
Kathleen Creighton                     {pacbell,hplabs,apple,ucbvax}!well!casey
San Francisco                          casey@well.sf.ca.us
       Just another annoyingly devoted Akita owner
Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: dgreen@sti.com (Dan R. Greening)
Subject: Management Group?
Organization: Software Transformation, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:17:44 GMT

I like to occasionally lunch with other lesbian/gay (or l/g friendly)
managers or entrepreneurs in the South Bay, to share experiences, thoughts, 
and so forth.

Are there others reading who have a similar bent?  Send me e-mail if 
interested.
-- 
____
\  /Dan Greening    Software Transformation   1601 Saratoga-Sunnyvale Rd, #100
 \/dgreen@sti.com   (408) 973-8081 x313       Cupertino, CA 95014
Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Oregon
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 02:11:40 GMT

In article <DEUTSCH.92Aug18172328@luxembourg.SMLI.Eng.Sun.COM> deutsch@SMLI.Eng.Sun.COM (L. Peter Deutsch) writes:
>> I don't know whether to stomp on this twit or ignore him.
>
>I'd like to back off from the personalities and agree with some of the
>intent of the original posting, namely, to call attention to the fact that
>something very threatening to important aspects of our lives is being put
>to a vote in Oregon, and that it's worth spending some time discussing how
>best to influence the outcome.

Oh, is THAT what he was saying, Peter?  Thanks for informing all of us.
I thought he was saying "fuck you".  Silly me.

>On the other hand, this is ba.motss (I don't read soc.motss), so if this is
>all being discussed on soc.motss, my apologies; I'd appreciate it if
>someone could forward the information I requested to me privately.

Mostly we're eulogizing Rob Bernardo who died last week.
Perhaps we should be working against OCA instead.  After
all, there are priorities, and only so many hours in a day.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: miller@dewey.udel.edu (Loris Miller)
Subject: Visitor info
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:31:34 GMT

Hello!  My partner and I will be visiting the Bay Area for the next two weeks.

We would greatly appreciate any info on places to go like bars, book stores, restaurants, etc. (women only or mixed ok, please let me know which is which).

It's hard to keep up on the good places (or ones still open) from a distance.  Please respond to the newsgroup or to my e-mail address.

Thanks in advance... Order good weather for us :)

Lorie
miller@farm.asel.udel.edu
Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Stop Smoking .
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:52:39 GMT
Organization: Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: orchid.ucsc.edu

I know I will get flamed etc. for this, but as a 
(non,never)smoker I really dislike other people
smoking around me.

On rare occasion I go to a gay bar/club and end
up feeling sick from all of the smoke, never mind
that my cloths stink as well.

Usually I am constantly shifting my position becuase
there is always someone lighting up next to me.  And
the other aspect is, a lot of people think it makes
them look better- you only have to watch their behavior
when they have that cigarette between their fingers.

Won't it be great to go to a bar/club where no one
smoked?  Well go ahead now and give me a lot of shit.
Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: slf@netcom.com (Sharon Fisher)
Subject: Re: GRANDPA WALTON: Is he gay? Help please....
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 14:25:14 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba

dgwelton@ecst.csuchico.edu (David G. Welton) writes:


>In a speech a few days ago Bush said:
> 
>[He'd like] "to make American families a lot more like the Walton's
> and less like the Simpson's."
> 
>Well I seem to recall that the actor Will Geer, who played Grandpa
>Zeb Walton, has come out and proclaimed he is gay. Is this fact
             ^^^                            ^^
             had                            was

Will Geer died some time ago.
From: david@llustig.palo-alto.ca.us (David Schachter)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: Northern Exposure
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 03:16:38 PDT
Organization: Greenwire Consulting, Palo Alto, CA, USA

(Craig Webb) writes:

> So.  Is ba.motss for personal grievance only?

Um, no, actually, but it IS for "Bay Area" only.  The San Francisco Bay Area
doesn't include Oregon... yet.  Now, what I want to know is: Why isn't there
a decent chocolate store in Palo Alto open at 3:17 am?

(I want gratification, and I want it NOW.)

_____________________________________________________________________________
David Schachter                                 david@llustig.palo-alto.ca.us
801 Middlefield Road, #8                  ...!{mips,decwrl,sgi}!llustig!david
Palo Alto, CA  94301-2916                 After 10 am, voice: +1 415 328 7425
From: max@queernet.org (Max J. Rochlin)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: 8th Int'l Conf. on AIDS: Review and Discussion.  Aug 24, San Jose.
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:39:17 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: QueerNet

In article <Bt9Cu6.E9p@sti.com> dgreen@sti.com (Dan R. Greening) writes:
>
>Two local South Bay doctors went to the International Conference on AIDS,
>and will discuss their observations.  
>
>  Dr. Dow Covington
>  Dr. William Lipil
    
(ALSO AT)

   Monday, August 31
   7:00PM to 9:00PM

   Clinical Consortium
   1048 El Camino Real
   Redwood City

>  For more information:  415-364-6563 or 415-369-1985
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From: coyote@sti.com (Ron Lussier)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: Stop Smoking .
Date: 16 Aug 92 22:24:32 GMT
Organization: National Man-Smurf Love Association

In article <16gocoINNbi7@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU writes:
>I know I will get flamed etc. for this, but as a 
>(non,never)smoker I really dislike other people
>smoking around me.
>
>Won't it be great to go to a bar/club where no one
>smoked?  Well go ahead now and give me a lot of shit.

Well, you can get some small satisfaction in the fact that people who smoke are
not only stupid, but will most probably die a slow, lingering death as well.
(This satisfaction may be offset by the other fact that they are doing this to
tens of thousands of innocent non-smokers as well...)

If this isn't enough for you, then commit terrorist acts.  The thought has
often crossed my mind, when walking almost anywhere and seeing smokers' trash
(they do seem to think they can litter at will.)  When I'm in a more aggressive
mood, I'll yell at people for throwing lit cigarettes on the ground when there
is a trash receptacle a few feet away.  (A recent study resulted in a statistic
showing that smokers are more aggressive than non-smokers, but that's probably
the stimulant in nicotine.)
 
Peace,
Ron
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From: dgwelton@ecst.csuchico.edu (David G. Welton)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: GRANDPA WALTON: Is he gay?  Help please....
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:09:10 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: California State University, Chico


In a speech a few days ago Bush said:
 
[He'd like] "to make American families a lot more like the Walton's
 and less like the Simpson's."
 
Well I seem to recall that the actor Will Geer, who played Grandpa
Zeb Walton, has come out and proclaimed he is gay. Is this fact
or urban legend?
 
I'm writing an article about the Convention and would love to
be able to add this little tidbit...if I can substantiate it.
 
Can you help?
 

-- 
David G. Welton                             dgwelton@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu
Master's Candidate			    
Social Science				    California State University, Chico
Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye)
Subject: Re: Stop Smoking .
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 01:08:36 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <Bt3Kww.3xx@sti.com> coyote@sti.com (Ron Lussier) writes:
>In article <16gocoINNbi7@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU writes:
>>I know I will get flamed etc. for this, but as a 
>>(non,never)smoker I really dislike other people
>>smoking around me.
>>
>>Won't it be great to go to a bar/club where no one
>>smoked?  Well go ahead now and give me a lot of shit.
>
I've wondered about the prevalence of smokers in gay and lesbian establishments
as well as the noise volume and the purveyance of unhealthy beverages. When
When I'm in the City I invariably prefer to meet at 20 Tanks or SF Brewing Co.
simply because there is less smoking and I can get a relatively healthy
potable that isn't pasteurised and rife with carcinogenic nitrosamines. People
can patronise whatever establishments they choose, but with so many of us
in need of protecting our general health an alternative to loud smoky bars
resonating with the sound of Bud longnecks would very nice.


-- 
Howard Arthur Faye * Panglossian Acres * Box 7 * Littlerock, CA   93543
                         Fax: 805.944.5958


Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: Cupertino, Ca. (Craig Webb)
Subject: Burning Bush
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:38:15 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc

In an interview given to Stone Phillips for NBC's "Dateline" on 8.11,
George Bush (alias Mr. President) said that we, as Gay or Lesbian Americans     
were not "normal".  Gosh!
Asked what he would do if one of his grandchildren were gay, Bush replied
that he would counsel the young person not to "go out and try to convince
people that this was the normal lifestyle, that this was an appropriate
lifestyle, that this was the way it ought to be."
Bush said he does not favor same-sex marriages but at the same time: "I would
love that child."

And remember...

This platform says gays should not be considered a protected minority under
fed, state or even local civil rights laws.  It opposes marriages or adoptions
involving gay couples, supports the ban on gays in the armed forces, and makes
a point of calling AIDS "a cummunicable or sexually transmitted disease" in an
attempt to differentiate it from cancer or heart disease.

Please exercise your rights and VOTE!


aliscafo
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