From: Ron.Feigen@panther.mot.com (Ron Feigen)
Subject: Re: BACK TO LIMBAUGH'S SECRET NONAGENDA
Organization: Motorola New Enterprises
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 20:28:24 MST

  
> Frankly, I don't know where to begin with the list of 
> misrepresentation about Israel that we have been fed.

How true Jack, now only if you would stop making up these foundless
lies.
> 
> Let's just start out with the frequently repeated myth about 
> the only Democracy in the Mideast.  That is, the only 
> democracy that officially sanctions torture, imprisons 
> without trial, practices collective punishment on innocents.

Hmmm, well Jack some of this is extreme, lets see, last month
a couple of terrorist were killed and one captured while attempting
to shoot up tourists on the beach at a resort in Elat.  Of course these are 
the guys who you are soooo worried about.  Yes the Israeli court
did approve limited physical abuse (torture) in the case of 
people like these.  Is this terrible, repulsive, ect... ABOLUTELY.
Terrorists have been attacking Israeli school children (they
lined up the population of a grade school and machine gunned all 
the children and teachers).  They put bombs in shopping centers, planes,
shoot up tourist busses, they hack up children with knives ect...
If I was an Israeli, as repulisive as turture is, if one of these guys
were caught I would sure like to know where his "buddies" are before
they murder more civilians.  I have never heard you once complain about
Iran. Syria, PLO  ect.. supporting terrorists attacking Israel, or even
the USA.  Mr. Klinghoffer was an American, as have been other victims
of these terrorists.

> Or the only "democracy" in the Mideast with two classes of 
> citizenship, one for Jews and one for non-Jews.  Aparteid 
> yes, democracy, hell no.

In Israel all citizens are the same, you know that, it has been
discussed before, but you of course you choose to ignore any
facts that contradict your continual BS. Instead you
continue with your constant "misrepresentation about Israel"

> 
> Then how bout our true friend in the Mideast.  A friend that 
> bombs and slaughters American sailors on the USS Liberty, 
> sends spies to steal our secrets and sells them to the USSR.  
> Sabatoges US embasies to make it look like evil Arabs again.

Again the Liberty incident has been beat to death, the US took
the blame for having the Liberty in a war zone and not knowing it 
was there.  They told Israel they had moved all ship out of the area.
They acknowlege that Israel asked the US prior to the attack if the Liberty
was in fact a US ship, the US said they had no ships in the area.

Please tell us what secrets were sold to anybody, where do you get this BULL.
Even in the case of Johnathan Pollard, the "secrets" in question were all
related to intelligence related to the M.E. (M.E. satelite photos ect)
and Israel's security.  Not the secrets of US weapons systems, maybe you are
confusing Israel with Japan who sold US submarine equip. to USSR in the 86 or
F-15 nav. computers to Iran in ~90.  Why don't pou get on their case for awhile
and give us a break.  By the way Jack, considering the USSR was backing the 
Arab gov'ts with weapons and money in their attempts to destroy Israel, only
a mindless, pathetic, liar (like you) would fabricated a story like this. 

I see, it is Israel that is doing all the terrorism, making it look like
the Arabs, by fooling the US and European intelligence agencies and
getting folks like Arafat to take credit publically.  Please tell us more about
this embassy fantasy Jack.  
> 
> Get serious man.  Every cent sent to Israel is stolen under 
> false pretense.

Get a life Jack.
> 
> > First of all, you insist on injecting the word "JEW" in 
> this > discussion to smear me as an antisemite.  But all you 
> do is
> 
> <Your reputation as such is so well established that I'm 
> amazed to see you continue to question its use.
> 
> ARF says:
> 
> I see and you judge me by my "reputation" but can not quote 
> a single statement by me that would back up that opinion.

Jack your statement are quoted constantly, and you still pretend you
never made them.
> 
> 
> BTW, you will note I changed the subject back again.  I 
> refuse to get sucked out of the origional issue.
> 
> Why does Rush refuse to talk about Israel?

Can't say Jack, I never listen to him.  However I do recall you stating
that the Chicago tribune prints at least one pro-Israel editorial a day, and
wouldn't print any of you submittals.  You also stated something like
they only print 1 negative (Israeli) article every 10 days.  Fortunately
for us someone who lives in the Chicago checked your facts and guess what.
You were lying again, there where very few editorials about Israel period.
Those that were printed where about 50/50.  The point being, you have over
and over, proved you are a blatant lier.
> 
> js
> 
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Ron Feigen
ronf@panther.mot.com