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From: chenm@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Ming chen)
Subject: Inquiry: Contaminant Transport Models
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 23:21:24 GMT
Distribution: *.engr *.environment
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

 Hello, everyone.

 I am currently looking for some contaminant transport models. 
 I wander if there is any ftp sites/archives for such models or
 other numerical models (finite elements, finite difference or
 boundary elements).

 Thanks in advance.

 /ming

 chenm@tuns.ca
From: rrw@.cse.nau.edu (Bob Wier)
Newsgroups: sci.engr.civil
Subject: Kelsh Plotter
Date: 29 Dec 92 23:11:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ
Originator: rrw@sunset.cse.nau.edu

Ok, here is just the thing for you surplus fanatics (assuming you've
got LOTS of extra room).  I just found out that the civil
engineering department here has placed into property surplus
a Kelsh plotter.  This is the device which was (is?) used to
draw contour maps such as you can buy from the USGS.  I took
a course in surveying about 10 years ago and used one of these
machines.  Basically they consist of two large projectors
which shine two images down on a massive (to damp out vibrations)
table.  They are either polarized or have an alternate shutter
Ok, here is just the thing for you 3d fanatics (assuming you've
got LOTS of extra room).  I just found out that the civil
engineering department here has placed into property surplus
a Kelsh plotter.  This is the device which was (is?) used to
draw contour maps such as you can buy from the USGS.  I took
a course in surveying about 10 years ago and used one of these
machines.  Basically they consist of two large projectors
which shine two images down on a massive (to damp out vibrations)
table.  They are either polarized or have an alternate shutter
mechanism.  There are two photos taken from an airplane looking
at the ground (spaced some distance apart).  Thus you get a
strong hyperstereo effect.  You then could move around a
stylus on the table top, and to draw the contours you moved the
stylus around, while looking at the stereo image and attempting to
keep the stylus at the same "height" in the projection.

This is truly a massive piece of equipment, but I suspect it
will go out to be sold publicly and will probably only bring
a small amount of money (since nobody knows what it is).

Probably you'd need to be close enough to Flagstaff to come
in a truck and move it yourself if you were to successfully
bid on it.  I'd expect it to come up for auction in 6 weeks or
so.

If you think you might have a use for it, drop me a line and
I'll provide more details...

- Bob Wier

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                   College of Engineering
      Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff Arizona
  Internet: rrw@naucse.cse.nau.edu | WB5KXH | fax:602 523 2300
From: jayakris@translab.its.uci.edu (R. Jayakrishnan)
Subject: Re: Software requests.. Summaries ?...
Newsgroups: sci.engr.civil
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 23 Dec 92 15:50:44 GMT

In article <2B3251C4.14374@news.service.uci.edu> jayakris@translab.its.uci.edu (R. Jayakrishnan) writes:
>
>
>  Software requests seem to be coming up on this newsgroup all
>  the time, but I never see summaries from people who get responses.
>
>  Here is a request. Please post the summaries of software requests.
>
>  If those who got responses to their requests in the past would send
>  me (jaykay@translab.its.uci.edu) their responses, I would be willing
>  to compile them and post (unless I get so many that I cannot find time
>  to do that...).  Requests on any topic related to civil engineering
>  would be welcome.  This could be an ideal item to go into an FAQ file
>  that I hope somebody would compile and maintain in the future.
>
>  Jay


   I just noticed that I made a mistake in my e-mail address above.
   Please send whatever you have, to  jayakris@translab.its.uci.edu

   Jay
   Dr. R. Jayakrishnan, asst.prof, civil engg (transp), UC-Irvine.
From: jayakris@translab.its.uci.edu (R. Jayakrishnan)
Subject: Re: Archive for sci.engr.civil?
Newsgroups: sci.engr.civil
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:11:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.040236.12421@spang.Camosun.BC.CA> aa002@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Peter Gordon) writes:
>
>
>Greetings!
>     Is anyone keeping an FTPable archive of this group?
>I work in transportation and I'd like to see what has
>transpired with regard to roads and bridges.
>     Please drop me a line at aa002@freenet.victoria.bc.ca
>thanks!
>-- 

   Sorry for the late reply on this request.

   Yes, I do keep `unofficial' archives for this newsgroup (I felt 
   obliged to do that as the `creator' of this newsgroup :-)). 
   Nothing fancy.. just ASCII files of all articles so far.
   If somebody gives me the approximate time when an article was
   posted, I can find it (no guarantee, and depending on how busy I am..)

   As far as roads and bridges go, I don't think there has been much
   discussion so far. I will see if I can dig something up for you,
   as time permits.

   Jay

   Dr. R. Jayakrishnan, asst prof, civil engg (transp), UC-Irvine.

Newsgroups: sci.engr.civil
From: malik@engr.LaTech.edu (Omesh Malik)
Subject: Underground steel-pipe joints
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:30:58 GMT

I need to conduct a lit. search on the various types of joints used in 
steel pipes for underground construction, and their behaviour.  I would
appreciate any help from anyone.

Thanks in advance.

Omesh Malik
From: sljlx@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: sci.engr.civil
Subject: Info. on Geotech Engg.
Date: 28 Dec 92 15:07:25 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Subject: Info. on Geotech. Engg.



Hi friends,
One of my friends back in India has asked for some info. on funding in the
following univs: a)L.S.U. b)V.P.I.& S.U. c)Urbana-C d)Lehigh.
He has done his B.E. & M.E. at Roorkee and his area of interest is "Effect
of Industrial Wastes on Clayey Soils".  He is applying for Ph.D. to those
Univs.
Now if anyone has some info. regarding some Prof. having some good project
in that area having lots of funding, please inform me the project and the
Profs. name.
Thanx in anticipation.
Ashish Sharma  E-Mail: ashar@kernel.uwrl.usu.edu
Newsgroups: sci.engr
From: danr@ais.org (Daniel Romanchik)
Subject: Re: I don't want to keep looking for new jobs.
Organization: UMCC
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 12:33:06 GMT

In article <BzMox1.Jyt@vcd.hp.com> edmoore@vcd.hp.com (Ed Moore) writes:

>HP understands that no product family lasts forever, and engineers must
>be prepared to change jobs _within_the_company_ several times in a
>career.  Specialties may disappear with a product family, so specialists
>are rare.  Many job openings in growing HP divisions are restricted to
>people declared excess by a shrinking division.  I've been with HP for
>7 years and believe I can stay until I retire (19 years), but I don't
>know what product families I'll work on or what engineering functions
>I'll perform in those years.
>
    This reinforces my opinion that Hewlett Packard is one of the
well-managed companies.

Dan
Newsgroups: sci.engr
From: rizzo@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (anthony.r.rizzo)
Subject: Re: I don't want to keep looking for new jobs.
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:06:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.091508@roper.mc.ti.com> a722756@roper.mc.ti.com (W. Donald Rolph) writes:
>
>May I pose for consideration the possibility that management would love to have a
>generalist workforce so that they can treat engineers as identical replacement
>parts?  It is difficult, and requires a high level of understanding, to
>effectively manage specialists.


Of course you may.  In fact, I would agree with you.
That's exactly the way that many managers treat employees, hence
the terms head count, and human capital.  HUMAN CAPITAL?  Just
SEEING those words makes me furious.  This is one term that I find
most degrading.  It makes me feel like a piece of hardware, to be
used and discarded when the job is finished.


>As an aside, it would appear to me that all the technical advances are made by
>personages which are specialists, at least while they are making the advances!
>-- 

Bingo!

Tony Rizzo
Newsgroups: sci.engr
From: ninassup@athena.mit.edu (Nikos I Nassuphis)
Subject: ASHRAE 93 ??
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 08:59:43 GMT

Hmmm... I think I have broken
som rule of nettiquette by posting this
request twice, but its kind of ugent...
Soooo, here it is:

I need to find the list of participants to
ASHRAE 93, taking place in Chicago in the
last week of January.

Is there anyone who can give be a pointer
on where to get this info ?

Thanks
NN
ninassup@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: sci.engr
From: lam@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken Lam)
Subject: Best spreadsheet for large data sets
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:11:02 GMT

I've got some large data sets over 10K lines.  I've got WINGZ but it chokes
because of comma separated values and the script that I have, sucks up all the
memory and kills the machine(a SS10 with 32MB of ram).  So I'm looking for a
more engineering oriented spreadsheet.

Thanks
 
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Newsgroups: sci.engr
From: a722756@roper.mc.ti.com (W. Donald Rolph)
Subject: Re: I don't want to keep looking for new jobs.
Originator: a722756@roper.mc.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments / Attleboro Mass / USA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 14:15:08 GMT


May I pose for consideration the possibility that management would love to have a
generalist workforce so that they can treat engineers as identical replacement
parts?  It is difficult, and requires a high level of understanding, to
effectively manage specialists.

As an aside, it would appear to me that all the technical advances are made by
personages which are specialists, at least while they are making the advances!
-- 

Regards.
 
Don Rolph  a722756@pan.mc.ti.com WD3 MS10-13 (508)-699-1263
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
From: rwbrigg@srv.PacBell.COM (Rick Briggs)
Subject: Re: Egyptian Race
Reply-To: rwbrigg@srv.PacBell.COM
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:34:09 GMT

In article 10887@trl.oz.au, mathers@sibelius.trl.OZ.AU (Steven Mathers) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.023421.5705@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu>, tratclif@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Tracy Ratcliff) writes:
>|> >In article <1992Dec16.201341.26769@ee.gatech.edu>, ldh@eedsp.gatech.edu (Lonnie D Harvel) writes...
>|> >> 
>|> >>Hello,
>|> >> 
>|> >>   Recently I have noticed alot of references within the
>|> >>African-American society to Egyptians being black Africans.
>|> 
>|> I'm surprised there hasn't been more from the 'Egyptians as Blacks' people.
>|> Someone has mentioned the Newsweek article on multiculturalism in another 
>|> post, and as I remember it listed several authors and books.  One that was
>|> mentioned (that I haven't read yet) is _Black Athena_ which tries to trace
>|> most everything good about Greek culture to Egypt and thus to African culture.
>
>What actually is the root of the egyptian race?  Did they migrate to the
>Nile from the near east?


In early Neolithic times, there was a migration into Egypt either via Palestine
or via the Red Sea, which migration marks the beginning of Naqada II.   The
new people are physically distinct from the original inhabitants.  

In the Archaic Period, the first Dynasty may or may not have consisted of a 'master race'
distinct from the other inhabitants circa 3100 BC (this is controversial).  The Narmer
palette shows King Mena subjugating the native people of Lower Egypt, but the latter are
depicted at foreigners.

In any case, Bernal's thesis is ridiculous.  The 'master race' was NOT black at all.
Early myths posit a different means of creation for the black peoples vs. the
native egyptians.

-- rick
From: mikeross@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Mike Ross)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: roman britain
Date: 30 Dec 1992 23:02:13 +0800
Organization: The University of Western Australia
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Newsgroups: sci.archaeology,sci.lang
From: claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird)
Subject: Re: elks, plus bone and stone
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 13:14:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.035044.9967@csx.cciw.ca> hcp@csx.cciw.ca (H.C. Pulley) writes:
			.
			.
			.
>"Wapiti" is an indian name for elk (sorry, I don't know what nation).  (Is 
Shawnee.  It analyzes as "white rump", I'm told
(but maybe only in Proto-Algonkian, not in con-
temporary Shawnee).
			.
			.
			.
-- 

Cameron Laird
claird@Neosoft.com (claird%Neosoft.com@uunet.uu.net)	+1 713 267 7966
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From: woody@knapper.cactus.org (Woody Baker)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: elks
Date: 23 Dec 1992 08:52:35 -0600
Organization: Aurora Contracting
Reply-To: "Woody Baker" <woody@knapper.cactus.org>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

So what do the Europeans call the animal that WE call ELK?
Sheesh, how can they get so mixed up ;^)

Antler billets made from MOOSE are solid, and massive.  Those of 
ELK tent to be lighter, and not a large as moose, but they are both
highly prized by knappers.  Moose seems to get denser with age, and

an older moose billet is the best rock whacker you can get.  I have a
48 ounce one that I use for REALLY removing spalls.  I'll take moose over
elk any day of the week, but in the event of not having moose, then elk
is the next best choice.  (NOTE:  these are all the American meanings of
the words, elk and moose).

A heavy billet, removes large, thin flakes with little effort.
cheers
Woody
-- 
Woody Baker Postscript consultant/Flint knapper  512-837-8317 (Austin, Tx)

"If you ain't bleedin' you ain't knappin'" ---> go ahead, ask me...

woody@knapper.cactus.org
woody@chinacat.unicom.com (temporary) is forwareded to woody@knapper
Xref: sparky sci.archaeology:3068 soc.culture.china:33716
From: young@clpd.kodak.com (Rich Young)
Subject: Re: elks, plus bone and stone
Originator: young@sasquatch
Reply-To: young@clpd.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 23:48:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.135602.9750@ac.dal.ca> hecate@ac.dal.ca writes:
>From what I have heard, elks = reindeer = caribou.
>Anyone else know the exact taxonomic relationship
>between these creatures.

	I don't know about Canada, but in the U.S., reindeer = caribou, and
	elk is something a little different.  From my limited sources, the
	caribou (genus Rangifer) is the North American variety of reindeer,
	while the elk is Cervus canadensis, or more properly called "wapiti"
	in common usage, not "elk."  In Europe, the elk is Alces alces, and
	is related to what we call the moose, Alces americana.  I believe
	they are ALL in the family Cervidae, but then I just got all this
	out of a dictionary, so I could be wrong!


-Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.)
Xref: sparky sci.archaeology:3072 soc.culture.china:33729
From: xiong@shape.mps.ohio-state.edu (Chuyu Xiong)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Ancient Chinese Deep-Drilling Technology ???
Date: 1 Jan 1993 13:06:47 -0500
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: shape.mps.ohio-state.edu

In article <72722@cup.portal.com> mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes:
>I recently acquired a copy of _A_Petroleum_Handbook_, 2nd ed.
>(Asiatic Petroleum Company, 1938), and on page 44 it has an
>amazing account of early Chinese well-drilling technology which
>I find almost unbelievable.
>
It is "unbelievable". I am always wonder how those antient people 
could sail cross ocean, how could make iron and copper, how could
invent china, how could solve complicated math problems in mind,
.... You can doubt it, very heathly, just like I always try to do.
But, you have to face the facts: they are true. 

I came from Sichuan where the antient drilling tech is still living
today. I think you can go there to find a 1000 meter deep well 
drilled several hundrad years ago easily. You can also find some
place such tech is in exhibit. About west media, I do not know where
you can find hard evidence. But, I remember about 2 years ago, Nova
aired a movie titled something like "The genius was Chinese", in it,
you can see the scence of the antient drilling and tech. You may try
to find out by calling PBS.

I think some day, we are going to become antient people too. Perhaps,
people in next century will wonder how those people in this century
can do such such just having some junk computer, just exactly like
you can I are doing today. I would say, while tech are moving fast,
the talent of people are actually not moving. So, the so called talent
things which today's people can do can be done by antient people too.

Chuyu Xiong

 
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
From: ed_eck@milkwy.enet.dec.com 
Subject: Re: Dating methods
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:32:19 GMT


In article <BzKKG4.BKo@iat.holonet.net>, remmons@iat.holonet.net (Robert Emmons) writes...
>I'm interested in a layman's guide to determining the age of fosils, 
>rocks, artifacts, etc. I've heard about dating via carbon and other 
>radio active decay methods, as well as tree ring counting, but I'd like 
>to see a more detailed explaination. Are there any layman's books on the 
>subject?



You might also want to post this in talk.origins. Radio dating is one of the
frequently debated topics there. There's probably even
a FAQ that covers different dating methods, with references.

Ed E.
From: rcmolden@parmesan.cs.wisc.edu (Robertc. Moldenhauer)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: Re: First city and longest continuously inhabited city?
Date: 21 Dec 92 23:22:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

The longest continuously inhabited city is considered to be Jericho, in the
Israeli occupied West Bank, which was a town of 1 to 2 000 in the Pre Pottery
Neolithic period (8500 - 7500 BCE).
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
From: dchapman@well.sf.ca.us (Dave Chapman)
Subject: Re: First city and longest continuously inhabited city?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 05:45:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.232211.421@cs.wisc.edu> rcmolden@parmesan.cs.wisc.edu (Robertc. Moldenhauer) writes:
>The longest continuously inhabited city is considered to be Jericho, in the
>Israeli occupied West Bank, which was a town of 1 to 2 000 in the Pre Pottery
>Neolithic period (8500 - 7500 BCE).

   Jerico also has, I believe, the dubious distinction of being the
first city to be destroyed by conquest.  (Can't remember the reference.)
   It seems that there is a deep layer of _beehive_ buildings, similar
to round mud huts.  Above this is a layer of charcoal and wreckage, and
above that is a town built using square buildings, a wall, etc.  Other
evidence suggests that there was a major cultural change at the same time,
leading to the suspicion that the place was conquered by invaders.
   Several thousand years later, nothing has changed.  :-(

-dave
From: mikeross@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Mike Ross)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: Iron Age Britain
Date: 30 Dec 1992 23:15:05 +0800
Organization: The University of Western Australia
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Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
From: ah287@yfn.ysu.edu (Murray Kahl)
Subject: Re: First city and longest continuously inhabited city?
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 20:22:06 GMT


I have seen the dig and witnessed first hand the strata indicating the destruction at a period that appears to match the biblical account. How do you account for this?
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From: Bruce.Scott@launchpad.unc.edu (Bruce Scott)
Subject: Re: [ARCH] Re: Which Came First, Agriculture or Pastorialism? [LONG]
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:17:40 GMT

claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird) writes:
> stcmille@panix.com (Steve Miller) writes:
>>[Cameron Laird wrote:]			.
>>>3.  domestication isn't irreversible.  Elk
>>>    ("moose" to North Americans) and stinging [...]

>No, I'm serious.  Europeans say "elk", and
>mean <<Alces alces>>, which is what all
>English speakers in North America call
>"moose".  Any Scandinavians care to confirm
>this?

I can confirm it in the case of Germany. The German "Elsch" is the
North American "Moose".

Bruce Scott
Max-Planck-Institut fuer Plasmaphysik, Garching, Germany

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From: jlove@ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu (Jack Love)
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Subject: Re: First city and longest continuously inhabited city?
Date: 2 Jan 1993 03:00:42 GMT
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In article <1993Jan1.202206.5662@news.ysu.edu> ah287@yfn.ysu.edu (Murray Kahl) writes:
>I have seen the dig and witnessed first hand the strata indicating the destruction at a period that appears to match the biblical account. How do you account for this?

I can't account for it, particularly since it appears from the way you
phrase this that you would prefer to be confrontational rather than
informative. You might, for example, cite a published excavation
report or present the details of your experience in a framework
that would allow better scrutiny.

As those who have followed my occasional forrays in this group know,
I don't claim to have the most current data on any archaeological
topic. It was my honor to be Ph.D. candidate in the Group for
Ancient History and Mediterranean Archaeology at UC-Berkeley. But
I left the program in 1978 and pursued a different career. Therefore
I follow newsgroups and contribute when I can, but claim no special
expertise.

As for the issue at hand, the citations I can provide are old, and I
don't have the time to research the current material. Kathleen Kenyan
and her assistant HJ Franken are among the recognized authorities on
Jericho from the decade of the 60s and into the early 70s. Kenyon's
well known final dictum on Jericho is "It is impossible to associate the
destruction of Jericho with such a date (from the exodus to the 13th
century BCE). The town may have been destroyed by one of the other
Hebrew groups, the history of whose infiltration is, as generally
recognized, complex. Alternatively, the placing at Jericho of a
dramatic siege and capture may be an aetiological explanation of a
ruined city. Archaeology cannot provide the answer." [Kenyon in
Archaeology and Old Testament Study, ed.  D. Winton Thomas, Oxford,
1967, p. 273.]

I should hasten to add that I believe that Kenyon's work on Jerusalem
has been justifiably criticized on a number of important points, so I
am by no means a blanket defender of her work. But she is one of the
primary authorities of old, and if you have new evidence, I think it
should be respectfully presented to this newsgroup. That is precisely
why I tune in.
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