From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:06:47
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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In-reply-to: Furr@cup.portal.com's message of Tue,  5 Jan 93 23:26:24 PST

>>Rod Williams writes:
>>> Much more serious, in my estimation, was the decision to
>>> change the date of the parade from the traditional 4th
>>> Sunday in June (commemorating the Stonewall Riots) to the
>>> 3rd Sunday, thereby coinciding with parades in Los Angeles
>>> and other California venues.  But someone just told me
>>> that the uproar over this was enough to force the committee
>>> to change its mind again and revert to the 4th Sunday (June
>>> 27, this year)...

> Michael Thomas writes:
>>...The only reason that LA moved theirs is
>>so that SF might reciprocate. Talk about giving an inch
>>and taking a mile. Somebody needs to educate this moron
>>that the gay world does *not* revolve around SF, much
>>as he might think it ought to.

Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) said:
> *A*-men. Of course, we've had this argument here in .motss
> before; but when CSW here in LA tried to simply open a 
> discussion on the idea, they got little more than "FUCK OFF"
> in response.  Whether you like the idea or not, the group 
> that puts on the SF event could take a few lessons in
> SIMPLE COURTESY.

Some of the statements above have a bit of misinformation in them.  In
most recent years, San Francisco and Los Angeles have both had their
celebration on the 4th weekend in June.  For reasons I don't entirely
understand, it is very hard to change the date of the San Francisco
parade (I believe it is written in the City Charter?)  In 1991, there
happened to be 5 weekends in June, so Christopher Street West (CSW) in
Los Angeles voted to move their festival to the 5th weekend in June,
with the hope that Los Angeles and San Francisco could start
alternating weekends.  (e.g., One year LA would be the 4th weekend,
and the following year SF would be the 4th weekend).

However, in 1992, when it was San Francisco's turn to switch, they
refused.  Throughout the past year, CSW has had an ongoing dialog with
the San Francisco Pride folks to try to get the alternate weekend idea
working.  Many of the San Francisco organizers are in favor of it, but
there is a fairly vociferous dissension among the SF community.

[Los Angeles' parade/celebration, incidentally, is older than the San
Francisco parade/celebration, and will probably have grown to be the
largest one in the country by 1994.]

In addition to the pissing contest going on between SF and LA, there
are other practical issues.  At CSW, we are reluctant to move our
festival to the 3rd weekend in June, as that is Father's Day weekend
and it doesn't sit well with West Hollywood (Los Angeles County)
Sherriff to ask his officers to do overtime on that day.  The following
weekend is 4th of July weekend, and isn't good either.

I wouldn't bet my life on the finality of either San Francisco or Los
Angeles dates at this point, although they have both been publicized.

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