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From: tran@sun-valley.Stanford.EDU (Hy Tran)
Subject: AMC TAN Summer story line, lurking
Organization: stanford
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:47:21 GMT

This summer's story line, again, looks boring (fortunately, nothing as bad as Natalie
in that well).  Which is just as well, since

(a) My advisor scheduled my defense (October 14), and I *still* don't have
sufficient experimental data, (and I'm getting panicky),

(b) I'm getting married December 12.  Mind you, if it were up to me, we'd go
across the stateline and do it, but both sets of in-laws are determined to have
a large traditional ceremony,

(c) Not to mention not yet having found employment near my fiancee (though my
brother-in-law suggested we continue the long-distance commute, since then,
we would never fight with one another),

(d) Ergo, I have to return to lurking.  I'm no longer taping or watching AMC, and
if it's crunchtime, I may even have to totally lurk (i.e. stop reading rats).  But
I'll be back... :-)

Mondo thanks to Jeep, Tia, MARgaret (did I get the caps right?), and all those
who put such wonderful effort into the yearbook.  I still haven't seen it, but
I'm expecting to see Jeep or a package anytime now.

Welcome to all those first-time posters, and would-be first-time posters.  As
MargARET suggested, why don't you would-be posters unlurk next Monday?

Also, my thanks to CAZ, Mary "kneecap" Allison, Mark "What's that last name again?",
Alex (and her substitute), Donna (actually, it's not Donna anymore), Lance, and
all the updaters.  It's been wonderful, and I hope to rejoin you all in a few
months.

-- 
Hy "only 10 weeks left, and still no data" Tran
tran@sun-valley.stanford.edu

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From: thompson@waldron.Stanford.EDU (Sharon Thompson)
Subject: The smooth Carter Jones
Organization: Psychology Dept, Stanford Univ.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 05:58:32 GMT


Did Brooke REALLY buy Carter's "I read Tempo every day in jail and just
HAD to come work for the magazine when I got out" story??  I didn't
think she was that clueless.And why were they all at Tempo working so
late?  And why does the new guy already have such an important story to
work on that Edmund could yell at him to get to work.  Didn't he just
meet Brooke YESTERDAY (we're still on the day after the garden party,
right??).  

I loved it when Stephen told Galen (while trying to convince her that he
should move in) "We've been seeing each other for months" and she
replied "We've been seeing each other for weeks."  That's Ok, Dr. Denim,
we get confused about the timeline too sometimes!!!

SHARON



Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
From: GC.AVW@forsythe.stanford.edu (RAGIN CAJUN)
Subject: Re: GL:  Not Mindy and Hart!
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 09:28:40 GMT

In article <1992Jul17.111141.1@us.oracle.com>,
kcastro@us.oracle.com writes:
>In article <1992Jul17.082753.6849@morrow.stanford.edu>, GC.AVW@forsythe.stanford.edu (RAGIN CAJUN) writes:
>
>> Granted, Chris Berneau was the BEST Alan and they'll never find his equal,
>> but Daniel Pilon did a respectable (and believable) job.  I know he's
>> currently working on another soap, but who knows, maybe within the next
>> few months he'll be free.
>
>In article <1534@emdeng.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>,
> jreeves@emdeng.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Jacki.A.Reeves) writes:
>>
>>NO!  DO NOT BRING BACK DANIEL PILON.  I didn't like him in the part of
>>Alan AT ALL.
>>
>>--JR
>
>In article <1992Jul7.153348.1@vax1.umkc.edu>, wmetz@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>>
>> I didn't like him either at least not
>> in the role of Allen.  I doubt if they will use him if they bring
>> Allen back he is on another soap.
>>
>> Alma
>
>Ah, but here the plot gets curiouser and curiouser...daniel pilon's role on
>that other soap (can't remember what it is at the moment) just ENDED.  as of
>YESTERDAY, he is officially free.  this leads me to strongly suspect that
>the person at the train station was indeed alan.  how else is w-b going
>to survive this nick/alex thing?  what a delicious power struggle this could
>be.  i do not recall this daniel pilon person (i have never seen an alan other
>than the original one) but why do you all not like him so much?
>
>Kathy

Once you see him you will know.  He just didn't have the depth or
personality Chris had as Allen.

Alma
From: scott@phlpa.pha.pa.us (Scott Scheingold)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: OLTL: Neither Max nor Kevin is Daddy?
Date: 21 Jul 92 10:25:19 GMT
Organization: Ians' Playhouse

In article <1992Jul20.183814.21413@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> asao5@convx1.lerc.nasa.gov (Kris Gessner) writes:
>In article <9207201624.AA06234@crdgw1.ge.com> root@hp546.ae.ge.com (Chuck Sanford) writes:
>>I thought of another possibility about who the father of Lee Ann's
>>baby is.  Remember that she went to Sweetwater Texas after breaking it
>>off with Max.  During this time, she got drunk and went to bed with
>>some bar bum -- was his name Tom something?  Anyway, I expect they
>>will say that since Max failed the paternity test that Kevin MUST be
>>the father.  However,  everyone seems to have forgotten about the
>>incident in Sweetwater.  This story line will, no doubt, have to be
>>dragged out for several weeks.
>>
>>						Chuck
>
>Was this the time that LeeAnn left to get away from Max because Asa
>was harrassing her, or was this another time?  Because I do
>remember her waking up one morning next to some guy, but I thought
>that nothing actually happened between them.
>
>Did I miss something?
>
>Kris
>asao5@convx1.lerc.nasa.gov


From what I remember I don't think that anything happened between them. I
know that Asa has pictures of the whole thing and Asa did confront her with
them before the wedding. I remember her saying that nothing happend but I
don't know if she was lying to Asa or it was really true. Anyone know for
sure??


Cheers,


Scott

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From: njs@ghost.lahabra.chevron.com (n.j.spera)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: DOOL: Spoilers Of Upcoming Stuff
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:08:16 GMT
Organization: Chevron Oil Field Research Company, La Habra, CA

In article <iThor*EZ0@cecily.UUCP>, rose@cecily.UUCP (Rose M. Delckum) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul21.181233.4844@panix.com>, Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira writes:
|> 
|> > 
|> > One last chance to escape
|> > 
|> > > 
|> > 
|> > Molly continues to have trouble dealing with the ramifications of Gavin's
|> > attack.  Tanner realizes he has to take things slowly with her.
|> > 
|> > 
|>    *Grrr*  Does any of this sound vaguely familiar?  Like real real familiar?
|> Like done to DEATH!  Tanner realizes he has to take things slow with
|> Molly cause she was sexually assaulted.  Just like Justin realized he had
|> to take things slow with Adrienne; Steve had to take things slow with Kayla;
|> Jack had to take things slow with Jennifer.  Enough with the damn sexual
|> assault and ramifications storyline people!  Why doesn't anyone in this
|> damn town suffer from the trauma of being mugged?  Or the emotional ramifications
|> of unemployment, or just plain shyness/low self-esteem?  Why is every woman
|> sexually assaulted?
|> 
|> 
|> Pissed off Shrubbery
|> --

You've hit on one of my pet peeves about DOOL - it's incredible overuse
of sexual assault - I don't even want to count up all the characters - 
going all the way back to Laura - I realize it can be great plot device - 
but PLEASE - enough is enough - could we go more than 1 year without
someone facing sexual assault - !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tangy
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From: dias@milton.u.washington.edu (Vivian Dias)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: SB: Cruz, BJ and Frank
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:58:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Jul23.175819.25520
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <3633@randvax.rand.org> pboren@rand.org (Pat Boren) writes:
>
>Haven't the past two shows been dynamite?  First the talk between
>BJ and Frank, where BJ says 'you don't listen to me!' and Frank
>nearly cracks and says he'll go to counseling.  Then yesterday
>Frank tries to convince BJ her article made it sound like what they
>had shared was ugly -- great hidden anger and confusion in that man.
>And then Cruz piecing it all together -- the expressions on his
>face said it all.

  I just can't believe the emotional depth that the actor playing Frank
  has brought to this role.  This man is deeply troubled, disturbed,
  confused and the actor playing him is portraying this so well I find
  myself almost feeling some slight sympathy for him.  The scenes with
  the and BJ have been awesome.  The immense confusion that BJ is feeling
  Finally coming to grips with what's happened to her and having to confront
  her abuser has got to be overwhelming if not a trifle terrifying. When
  Cruz finally found the doll and realized what was going on and BJ saw
  him I felt this great sense of relief for her.  Finally she has someone
  she can share all of this with, someone to talk to to, someone she can
  trust.  More great subtlety from the writers and the actors.  When
  Santa Barbara is good it is very, very good and it's been outstanding
  the last couple of days.  
>
>I wonder if Cruz tells Reese about Frank, would Reese call him
>a liar who just trying to ruin Reese's family, that 'stealing'
>Jody just isn't enough?

  Can you imagine what Reese and Jodie will be feeling when they find out
  that someone they trusted, someone they shared their lives and family
  with has betrayed them like this?  I can see Reese going totally beserk
  because Cruz figured it out and was there for BJ. The fact that it looks
  like Cruz will be the one to confront Frank and not Reese will only add
  fuel to the flame.  Reese will feel he's losing his family to Cruz and
  give up.  I think this is why we're being set up for Cruz leaving for
  Mexico to join his kids per CC's suggestion.  Cruz will feel the only
  way for the Walker family to heal itself will be for him to remove
  himself from the scenario.

  I would just like to say that while this whole child abuse story has been
  very difficult to watch I think the writers have done a very good job of
  presenting it.  Instead of making it black and white it has been tinged
  with shades of gray that have made Frank, while not likeable, human. I'm
  not defending Frank but it has been interesting to watch his descent
  from being somewhat in control of his emotions to this blubbering mass
  of insanity. 

  Vivian 
>
>Pat
>-- 
>
>	Patricia Boren
>	pboren@rand.org
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From: MZ6@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: B&B: Y&R: Sheila
Date: 23 Jul 92 03:43:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92204.234315MZ6
Organization: Penn State University

B&B viewers have been able to watch Sheila for several months now.

In my opinion, she is more effective on B&B than she was on Y&R.
B&B needed an infusion of energy, and Sheila is being played more
broadly (with more explicit intentions and a little more humour and
malicious plotting).  Sheila was locked into endless repetitions with
Lauren-Scott-Molly and sometimes Silva and Ruthie....  Conversely, on
B&B Sheila is already pretty well integrated into the Forrester
stable, and shows all signs of becoming more involved.

I'm not the only one to feel this.  B&B's ratings have climbed
substantially since Sheila moved, and I think the move was a great
idea.

All of this leads me to a nagging speculation...Is Sheila BAD?  Or
is she just SICK?  Although she has shown a ruthless (even violent)
bent, she seems to be sincere in her love and affection for the men
(Scott, Eric) and children (little Scotty, little Eric) in her life.

One nice thing about the B&B story is that Sheila is matched with better
actors.  Lauren Fenmore on Y&R is too strong to play a very convincing
victim (although she was GREAT when Dylan died), and does much better
as a villainess (witness our recent loathing of her custody manipulations
with Scott).  Conversely, as bad as she gets, Brooke on B&B always
radiates a core decency that means we will pity her greatly when Sheila
finally makes her move.

The most important difference between Y&R's Sheila and B&B's Sheila is
the choice of a leading man to pair her with.  Let's face it....Scott
Grainger is not a particulary strong actor.  He has little chemistry
with any actress he has been paired with (Cricket, Lauren, Sheila),
and can barely handle a range of emotions.  He never showed the
requisite despair over losing Lauren to explain why he would be
vulnerable to Sheila.

John McCook, (former Lance Prentiss, Y&R) as Eric Forrester, is a MUCH
better actor.  He plays romantic hurt and confusion (over his failing
marriage with Brooke) very convincingly, and he seems genuinely
vulnerable and attracted to Sheila.  This makes for a much more
interesting Story, because it is less one-sided.  Eric isn't purely
a blind victim of Sheila.  Brooke (who is mistreating Eric) isn't
just some guiltless creature to be hurt by Sheila.  Rather, Eric
is returning Sheila's advances with his own expressions of desire.
And Brooke is already sparring deliciously with Sheila.

And there is so much more to come....Sheila vs. Stephanie....Sheila
is already acting as friend to Kristen, and will undoubtedly do
the same with Felicia....wait till Sheila begins to interact with
Ridge and Thorne.....

Moving Sheila to Los Angeles was one of the most inspired casting
choices Bill Bell has made in recent years, and proves that he
remains the talented "king" of daytime.  Anyone else agree?

Mike at Penn State (How AM I going live without my Sheila-fix????)

(Growing wistful for the imminent loss of Bill Bell soaps!)
From: escheele@us.oracle.com ("Erik Scheele")
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: DOOL: Skimming the Fat
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:24:18 GMT


Sean Duncan writes:

>>P.S.  How much do I have to post before I get a groovy nickname???  Huh?

I don't think there's a minimum number of posts required.  You just have to
come up with a catchy name that has the syllable "core" in it somewhere.  It
should also describe something about you.  For instance, I'm Core Onary,
because women (in the real world, not in net.land) are always breaking my
heart.  Toomces is Cor-neous 'cause he's always getting... he's always
getting... well, I'll let him explain it.

Lemonhead replies:

>Does this mean you want to join that disorganized band of
>cool.net.guys known as the Core Brotherhood?  Well, gee...aren't
>one of you Core guys gonna help Sean out, here?  Hello?  Did I
>say something about disorganized?  :-)  Uh-oh...now they'll be
>comparing me to The Pungent One.  Oh, well.  *shrug*

Nahh, JoJo, we won't compare you to the Vixen.  Disorganized is actually kinda
accurate.  I don't even know what to call my brothers (it seems like some of
them have more than one Core name), so I just end up calling all of them "bro."
No, to be compared with Stinky, you have to demonstrate malicious intent, and
use four-letter words, like "lame."

BTW, thanks for the elaboration on skimming/trimming the fat.  I guess you
would skim the fat off of milk too, huh?

Hasta,
Core Onary, the Mad Poet
                                                                      
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Oracle Corporation		surprise."
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From: psr@calmasd.Prime.COM (Peggy Randalls)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: SB:  Previews 8/3 - 8/7
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:13:33 GMT
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA


Thank you Gidget for all of your hard work.  I love spoilers! :)

Peggy

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From: ginger@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.gallagher)
Subject: Re: GH: Hooked
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:12:58 GMT

In article <92204.174408U14780@uicvm.uic.edu>, U14780@uicvm.uic.edu (John R. Andrews) writes:
> I first started years ago before I knew it was habit forming. I told myself
> I could quit any time, but after a few days, I'd be asking my friends for
> some info on AMC or Ryan's Hope. When I got into college, all my friends were
> turning on (their TV's), I didn't want to be an outsider so I did a little Y&R
> with them. Finally, someone turned me on to GH. It was during the Grant Putnum
> "secret disk" era. Now, that was a story line. Ya, I was hooked good, and now
> I can't get this video monkey off my back. I'm up to two soaps a day, and worse
> I've become a pusher; I do GH updates. Where will it end, a job writing soaps?
> 
> John

       We all need a little diversion John.  It's healthy!!!!!!(I hope).
       I tape three soaps daily, read the soap papers, and have
       even attended a luncheon given for one of the shows.  I
       often wonder where it will end, too.  Being an extra?????


      Eleanor Gallagher
      ginger@cbnewsg.cb.att.com
From: bjag@nwu.edu (Bharathi Jagadeesh)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: B&B: Wed 7/22 & Y&R & ATWT
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:04:14 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Organization: Northwestern University

In article <92204.232724MZ6@psuvm.psu.edu>, <MZ6@psuvm.psu.edu> wrote:
>Description of designer applicant interviews:
> Designer one was an effete sort, wearing a Nehru jacket.  Acknowledging
> that "fashion runs in cycles", he proclaimed the return of the Victorian
> era, and presented a series of Victorian gowns.  As the foursome's
> eyes bulged, he extolled the "virtue" and "purity" of his designs.

[Excellent description deleted]

> Mike at Penn State

This sounds great! Thanks a lot for the update, Mike. I really wish I'd
taped this show. 

It always annoys me when people on soaps are supposed to have a real skill
(like fashion design, photography, or even medicine) but act like total
denseheads about it, never actually having it interfere with their lives.
I've been really disappointed with Y&R lately--the last episode I watched
it seemed like nothing actually happened (except Connaly kissing Tracy) and
everyone just spent time telling eachother stuff that already happened. But
I have to give the Bell soaps credit for at least _attempting_ to integrate
people's work lives into the soap. Maybe Scott Grainger's looking at
microscope slides and Brooke boiling blue liquids in beakers, Ashley
playing with testubes, and Felicia designing is a silly approximation of
what those jobs are really like. But at least they try! Taylor even
periodically blubbers gibberish about psychology.

On ATWT, they seem to completely ignore this stuff. Most of the people are
employed in mythical "consulting" businesses. What does Iva do anyway? And
even Barbara Ryan, who's actually supposed to be a designer almost never
actually does any designing. Margo, who's supposed to be a policement
almost never does that, really, either. 

Bharathi Jagadeesh                 bjag@nwu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
From: gck@hector.uucp (24641-kemmerling)
Subject: Re: AMC: Am I here?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 17:07:01 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.151206.29496@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>, holder@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Carmen M Holder) writes:
> Hello all...just wanted to make a post and say I am coming out
> of lurking...thanks to CAZ!!!!  Someone please let me know if
> I got through...and if I did things okey dokey!  Thanks
> in advance.
> 
> Carmen (too clueless for a .sig yet)
> 
> P.S.  Thanks a million CAZ!!!
> 
> P.P.S  I love all of your posts! :)

Hi Carmen - got ya here in Jersey!
 

Gayle
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
From: ladc@cogfog.cognet.ucla.edu (Laura Da Costa)
Subject: Re: GL: cast requests
Organization: none
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:48:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.160451.25968@usl.edu> drsres00@ucs.usl.edu (Schwartz Donald R) writes:
>In article <1682F1174A.LHAAS@kentvm.kent.edu> LHAAS@kentvm.kent.edu (Leslie M. Haas) writes:
>>My cast suggestion would be get  Nola and Quint back.  Has anyone
>>forgotten that Quint is a son of HB Lewis?  (A Lewis never married to
>>Reva, what a novelty?!)  
>
>i thought he was henry chamberlain's son.  kyle sampson
>is h.b.'s son (who was  ALMOST  married to reva!)

OK, let's get this cleared up....
Donald is right, Quint is Henry's son.  However, Kyle Sampson is
not H.B.'s son (his father actually became a bishop or something).
Kyle thought he was H.B.'s son because he knew there was some
connection between his mother Miss Sally and H.B.--he discovered
that connection was Bill who was their son and Kyle's half-brother.
>
>> 
>>Leslie
>> 
>--donald
>...still waiting for susan piper to return!!!
>

Laura Da Costa
Psychology Department--Cognitive
University of California, Los Angeles

Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
From: mitch@cdthq.UUCP (Mitch Harris)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 11:56:38 CDT
Organization: Garys' Home for Obsolete Computers

Well, I must say I enjoyed the little slaps & smack Ava was giving
Alley-cat at the Alden mansion before she hauled Alley-cat home. I am
tired of that girl! I like Casey, it's too bad he'll eventually be
paired up with the cat.

           ............Beverly H.
From: kallan@bingo.ncc.umn.edu (Kris Allan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: DOOL -- SOM's tidbits on DAYS and its "changes"
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:50:19 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Organization: Nutrition Coordinating Center, University of Minnesota

In article <POEqr*8-0@cecily.UUCP> rose@cecily.UUCP (Rose M. Delckum) writes:
 >In article <45778@shamash.cdc.com>, Doreen Matsuzaki writes:
 >> stapleto@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Kathy Stapleton) writes:
 >> 
 >> >     Bo and Carly:  "While there's a fall wedding planned, there's
 >> 
 >> just what is wrong with getting married in September?!?!  Yeah, I'd
 >> just like to see them plan this wedding in two months!  Hahahaha!
 >
 >  Two months?!?  Two months?!? *snicker*  *giggle*  *guffaw*
 >Like get real folks!  And I'll bet it'll be a huge extravagant
 >wedding too!  Hee hee.  Two months.  Right.  And they won't have

Two months is a pretty long time in soapdom for planning a wedding, 
wouldn't you say?  Usually it goes something like this:

	"How about a week from Friday?"
	"No, I can't wait that long.  Let's do it this Friday."
	"OK, Friday it is."

 >                                         They won't have to deal
 >with shopping for dresses, alterations and fittings for Carly and

Of course not.  Calliope will be dropping into Salem any day now, and
will whip something up in a couple of hours, no problem.  

-- 
"I hate it when that happens."                     kallan@bingo.ncc.umn.edu
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