HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pab1@quads.uchicago.edu (paul andrew braier)
Subject: Re: Supplemental v Day Schools
Reply-To: pab1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:52:34 GMT

>> clmn@midway.uchicago.edu (Bill Coleman) writes:
>> Here in Chicago, Russian immigrant children with zero
>> background are entering the day school system at all grade levels, from
>> high school on down.  Getting them up to speed is not easy but the schools
>> try very hard.  Parents who opt for day schools at a late date are, in my
>> experience, treated more like heros than scum.

> dcs@witsend.tnet.com (D. C. Sessions) writes:
> I would have to say that based on the people that I have met in
> Baltimore coming in at all levels, Bill is a lot closer to what is
> going on.  Perhaps it is a function of the community, but a number
> of families have moved in and been accepted with open arms.  The
> children in the upper grades have helped tutor those who need it
> and there are shiurim for the parents as well.

My experience in Pittsburgh is the same as the two above.

There was a major teachers' strike in the public school system in 1975.
Many kids from the public schools went to Hillel Academy and to Yeshiva
Achei Tmimim (Lubavitch) for the duration of the strike. I was one of the
ones who went to YAT. They welcomed us even though they didn't even have
the room. They made arrangements to have morning classes (Jewish) in a
synagogue several miles away, and bus us into the primary building for
afternoon (secular) classes. The girls did the opposite, having secular
classes in the morning and Jewish in the afternoon. This way, they
managed to fit everybody in.

While I was there, they taught us Torah, Mishna, Pirkei Avos, etc., 
all on a third grade level compared to the rest of the kids who had
always been there, so they hired new teachers and formed new classes
for us. Many of us (myself included) loved it so much that we stayed
there even after the teachers' strike ended.

Even though the Lubavitch way of life is not for me, it is in no small
part their work that made me Orthodox today.

Paul Braier

-----------------------
Paul A. Braier
pab1@quads.uchicago.edu
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From: jeybbu@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: more of ...can of worms....
Reply-To: jeybbu@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:22:19 GMT

STan,

I would suggest that this, tallit, is a case of each should do what 
is right in his own eyes.....

If your son anticipates being a full, regular participant of the
Othodox schul, he should go with the minhag of that biet..  

If his true sense of self is in the conservative minhag, then
he should go with that, and be preparred to respectfully, state his
position if questioned (which some jerks may do).  

If he want to be recognized as a potential shitach, he should
not wear the talis, if he want to pass for married, he should.

With or without the tallis, he should say the words
kol israel chaverim with great conviction and should greet all
persons with a good countenance...

Have a good shabbos with your family,

Julian Yudelson,,Rochester, NY Galus
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: clmn@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bill Coleman)
Subject: Re: Jewish summer camps (Was: Hebrew school)
Reply-To: clmn@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Department of Economics
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:39:02 GMT

In article <2421@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:


I wrote:
>
>>My ten year-old just got back from Camp Moshava ... She also wrote
>>letters to Mr. & Mrs. Wm. Coleman, even though her mother uses her
>>maiden name. 

And Warren replied:

>I'm not sure if this is one of the good things about the Moshava
>experience or not.  Wouldn't kibud em require a child to address her
>mother the way she wishes to be addressed?
>-- 

Yeah, but I want to take Moshava off the hook for this.  The father (me) 
shouldn't have posted this in the first place but he thought it was too
hilarious.



-- 
Bill Coleman
clmn@midway.uchicago.edu
From: MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni)
Subject: The 15th of Av
Organization: Weizmann Institute of Science, Israel
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 12:19:25 +0300

Just in case someone has forgotten, today is the 15th of Av.  This day
is sometimes referred to also as  the Festival of Love (not quite like
St Valentine Day, just a little bit).

The  Talmud says  that  this  day was  celebrated  greatly in  ancient
Israel. ("There were no holidays in Israel like Av 15 and Yom Kippurim
etc.").

Those who pray should remember NOT to pray Tahanun today.

Shabbat Shalom

Michael Shimshoni
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: goer@ellis.uchicago.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz)
Subject: Re: Advertising on the Net - NOTES FROM A SEALED ROOM
Keywords: Persian Gulf War
Reply-To: goer@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 03:39:27 GMT

mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger) writes:

>Welcome to soc.culture.jewish, where you can flame away at anyone
>who's handy. Moral superiority comes cheap in these parts.

I guess I'm handy, and you're superior.  Indeed, welcome to soc.
culture.jewish.  Many thanks for another useful contribution to
the ongoing debate over commercialism on the net.

-- 

   -Richard L. Goerwitz              goer%midway@uchicago.bitnet
   goer@midway.uchicago.edu          rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: curcija@medr0.ecs.umass.edu (Dragan Curcija)
Subject: Re: Stopping Another Holocaust
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:22:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.083403.14657@husc3.harvard.edu> stojanov@husc10.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic) writes:
>...
>
>So you have a last word.  I have not seen a single clear statement why 
>is what is happening in Bosnia not a civil war, but aggression.
>I want to hear an argument if possible.  Probably not.  
>
>Regards,

	Maybe you did not see a single clear statement because you keep your
eyes closed, like some other proliferant (ex)writers on this group.  Open
your eyes, and maybe you will start seeing something.

Dragan


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: Holocaust
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:13:27 GMT

In article <93963@bu.edu> gene@cs.bu.edu (Gene Itkis) writes:
>
>In an earlier article, I believe Adolpho says that rather than helping "jews
>like Shamir, Sharon, Begin or those who collaborated with the Nazis in
>concentration camps" he'd prefer helping non-jews like Mandela (and others, I
>won't mention). I am just wondering if Mandela that Adolpho has in mind is the
>infamous child molester and the inventor of "necklacing" (the practice of
>burning a person alive by putting a tire on his/her (the one I actually saw on
>PBS was indeed a woman) neck and splashing it with gasoline). If yes, I wonder
>about Adolpho's reason(s) for such preferences.
>-- 


If you are refering to me, it is Adolfo.
Then, the Mandela I have in mind is the one on the NAC.
I never heard anything about him being a child molester, nor did I know 
that he has a patent for the invention of whatever you saw in PBS.
Even more, I do not believe any of this.


> ---Aa
>	Gene Itkis		(gene@cs.bu.edu)

AAP
Organization: Masters student, Information Networking Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:52:50 -0400 
From: Radu Eugen Edelstein <re0x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Irony continues in our history

Harley Davis writes:
The kind of generalization and re-particularization you are suggesting
is the root of the great tragedies of the 20th century.  It's a shame
you haven't learned this simple lesson.

   Often you have to generalize in order to perceive the real movement
   of a group, as a whole.

The problem is not just the generalization but the particularization
to individuals.
I say:
That's not a problem.  It is much easier to get to know someone
when talking to them one on one.  It takes more knowledge to
understand what are the attitudes of a larger group, as a
whole.  Not using generalization means loosing knowledge, as even
strict science has lots of exceptions, yet we have to learn first
about the general case in order to understand why and how there are
exceptions.  You can't disregard a generality because there are
exceptions.  It would be a total laissez faire in regard to
synthetizing knowledge.
In Europe such generalizations are common.
Rad
From: stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Can of Worms
Date: 20 Aug 92 04:02:07 GMT
Organization: Summit NJ

From: sa@corner.wpb.fl.us (Sheldon Ackerman)  
> 
> 
>SMK> "technically" a goy, I ask who are you to "decide" that only
>SMK> your sect
>SMK> knows how to define who a Jew is?  Also, who gave you
>SMK> monopoly control over
>SMK> our religion (in fact, don't you represent barely 10% of the
>SMK> worldwide
>SMK> Jewish population; that's hardly a controlling interest)?
>SMK> --
>SMK>        Stan Krieger 
> 
>What do percentages have to do with it? If 90% of the Jews intermarry or 
>eat bacon, it makes it OK? If the majority of individuals are on drugs, 
>then who are we to make drugs illegal?

No, it does NOT make it OK, but what does it have to do with the basic
question that I asked?

We are not talking about actual degree of adherence to God's Law to
us, which is what this bacon thing implies; it is strictly an issue
of whether the Orthodox have the right to force their INTERPRETATION
of that Law on those Jews who believe in the EQUALLY LEGITIMATE
and EQUALLY VALID (for ALL Jews) Conservative or Reform interpretations.

And before some of the Christian-style Jewish missionaries on this net
start crying that they're the only Jews observing the Law passed down
from Sinai (implying the rest of us aren't), be assured, you're not
(and this has been shown over and over again; all you do is post your
rationalizations of why you think it's so, but then, so do those
affiliated with the Reform and Conservative movements, so at best
it's a push).
-- 
Stan Krieger                     All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even
AT&T UNIX System Laboratories    if related to my employment, are my own.
Summit, NJ
smk@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: medb@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Dieter Britz)
Subject: Life is Like a Glass of Tea, by Richard Raskin
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:00:07 GMT

I want to put in a plug for a book written by a friend of mine. He is Richard
Raskin, and the book is "Life is Like a Glass of Tea". Avail. from Aarhus
Universitets Forlag, 8000 Aarhus C, Denmark, with ISBN nr.: 8772884096. Richard
lives and works in Denmark, where I met him. The book is NOT a collection of
Jewish jokes (JJ); it is an analysis of six classics (the title one included).
Along the way, a fair number of others are given, and Richard clearly loves his
JJ. He is a sharp analyst of Jewish culture (and in fact anything else). I
worry that this excellent book will not get the exposure it deserves, being
published by a Danish university, hence this plug. There are vague plans for a
US edition but nothing is certain. The book IS rather scholarly and might not
appeal to people just looking for fun. Anyone, however, who wants to know what
makes (some) people laugh at JJ's should read this book.
Why the "some"? I myself have some books of JJ's and love them - although not
being Jewish. Visiting my home country Australia, I have told some of these to
various (non-Jewish) people. They all "get" the one about the two shirts, and
"Hey, he had a hat!", but the title joke mostly gets me strange looks in this
country. Incredible, I say. If you don't know what I'm talking about with these
references, get hold of the book and find out.
Dieter Britz   alias  medb@cc.newcastle.edu.au
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From: millman@ursa.UUCP (Phillip Millman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Kosher Rest. Request for FAQ
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:11:38 GMT
Organization: Bear Stearns, NY
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Based on the suggestion of Matthew Wiener I have included at the bottom
of the list a field called VALID_THRU.  This is the date that the 
Kosherus is no longer valid.

Hope this  helps.

Phillip millman
millman@bear.com
From: hayim@locus.com (Hayim Hendeles)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: More on O-C-R
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:35:13 GMT
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

In article <2420@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:
>
>Of course in Judaism nothing can be proved ...

So what about the Sefer Hakuzari?

You may not be able to prove anything mathematically, but then again
you couldn't prove mathematically that we exist either. On the other
hand, you can make an awfully good case for it.

Rabbi David Gottleib (PhD in Philosophy from John Hopkins) has a
fascinating tape on this subject called Historical Verification of the
Torah.  This tape is available from Ohr Sameich, and well worth
listening to.


Hayim Hendeles
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: amir@cc.gatech.edu (Amihood Amir)
Subject: Re: Breaking a Glass in the Marriage Ceremony - Why?
Organization: College of Computing
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:02:11 GMT

To symbolize  mourning for the destruction of the Temple.
In the wedding of (I think) Mar bar rav Ashi the sages were
getting too happy. So rav Ashi broke an expensive crystal in
front of everyone. The idea was, if you all are aghast at a broken
piece of glass, why were you so rowdy when the Temple is 
destroyed.

--  Ami

					
					-Amihood Amir (amir@cc.gatech.edu)
From: murray.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Holocaust
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:51:59 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

From: Jacob Avigdor, K-Net
 
 
SS> However, I believe that if we want to stop another
SS> Holocaust, Israel will not
SS> help us. The only thing that will help us is to fight
SS> against the roots of
SS> anti-semitism and segregation. And, to do that, we cannot do
SS> it alone.
SS> It is my feeling that we should stop thinking We first. We
SS> should think: All
SS> together to end discrimination. All together to make a
SS> better world.
SS> After all, if I have to choose between helping Jews like
SS> Shamir, Sharon,
SS> Begin, or those who collaborated with the Nazis in
SS> concentration camps,
SS> and Madre Teresa, or Mandela, or those who were in Sabra and
SS> Chatila, for
SS> example, I will choose to help the non-Jews.
SS>  
SS> AAp
 
Nice thought but seriously flawed. When the Nazis went around gathering 
the Jews for extermination they took anyone who was Jewish, even the most 
assimilated, cultured, non Jewish Jew, who one would mistake for a non 
Jew, therefore the only place safe is Israel because they will protect 
all Jews. 
---
 * Origin: WORLDS LARGEST strictly JEWISH BBS - (718) 756-7201 
(1:278/610)
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From: ishalev@unity.ncsu.edu (Itzhak Shalev)
Subject: Re: Taking a Computer to Israel
Organization: North Carolina State University Project Unity
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:50:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.233836.22779@midway.uchicago.edu>, clmn@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bill Coleman) writes:
|> Two questions:
|> 
|> Will a $15 step-down transformer work safely with a 110-volt USA PC in
|> Israel?  Any cautions to be aware of?
|> 
My experience with a PC XT and a C64 has been that it should work fine. You will need a to bring a compatible monitor though.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Should a jew settle in Israel?
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:28:25 GMT
Organization: "The Private site of Manfredo Tichauer"

horen@rs.com (Jonathan B. Horen) writes:

> In article 17390@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM, nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (
> >>In article <-#!nfbp.yosi@netcom.com> yosi@netcom.com (Yosi Almog) writes:
> >>
> >>What about you, do you think there is any importance for a jew to live
> >>in Israel?
> >
> >You are asking the wrong person. However I will be honest with you and tell
> >you my opinion. If you ask the question "Does a Jew have the right to live
> >in Israel?" I would answer "A Jew have the right to live anywhere in the 
> >world and so does anyone else". As far as is it important, I would say I don
> >know simply because I am not a Jew.
> 
> Well, then, do I, as a Jew, have the right to live in Mecca? Do you think tha
> I have the right to go up onto the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, into the
> Al-Aksa mosque, and worship in my Jewish way?
> 
> Be honest.

Jonathan, what do you pretend by asking such stupid questions to a Muslim ?
You are just provocating him although he gave  the right answer. I think
Nabil will answer you that if you are so keen to live in Mecca, you can go
and live there (at least that would be my answer to you). On the other hand,
you are forbidden by JEWISH LAW to go up onto the Temple Mount, because it
is too holy.   
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From: goer@ellis.uchicago.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz)
Subject: Re: Jewish friends -- Kosher Irony
Reply-To: goer@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:04:12 GMT

hayim@locus.com (Hayim Hendeles) writes:
>>> 
>>> Any advice would be appreciated.
>
>
>
>BTW how come no one suggested the obvious answer of fruit?

Sure you don't mean

	BTW how come we're suggesting answers to this obvious fruit?

-- 

   -Richard L. Goerwitz              goer%midway@uchicago.bitnet
   goer@midway.uchicago.edu          rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: The Fact Of Armenian-Nazi Collaboration: Partners In Nazi Practices.
Date: 16 Aug 92 03:47:39 GMT





<1992Aug17.045246.3069@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
al037@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Polewka)

>  ###  1.  A cannibal must munch a mad hooligan!!  Huh!!         ###::

This is not in Prof Shaw's book, as you try to make us believe. Read it
a little bit at a time - there's no hurry and no resolution of the plot
at the end.

 Source: "Mitteilungsblatt, Berlin, December 1939, Nr. 2 and 5-6"

 Yet another historical fact: a fact that for years has been deliberately 
 forgotten, concealed, and wiped from memory - the fact of Armenian-Nazi 
 collaboration.

 A magazine called Mitteilungsblatt der Deutsch-Armenischen Gesselschaft
 is the clearest and most definite proof of this collaboration. The 
 magazine was first published in Berlin in 1938 during Nazi rule of Germany
 and continued publication until the end of 1944. Even the name of the
 magazine, which implies a declaration of Armenian-Nazi cooperation,
 is attention-getting.

 This magazine, every issue of which proves the collaboration, is historically
 important as documentary evidence. It is a heap of writing that should be
 an admonition to world opinion and to all mankind. Every issue embroiders
 the themes of enmity towards Turkey and towards Turks.

 In Nazi Germany, Armenians were considered to be an Aryan race and certain
 political, economic, and social rights were thus granted to them. They 
 occupied positions in public service and were partners in Nazi practices.
 The whole world of course knows what awaited those who were not considered 
 "Aryan" and what befell them.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


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From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: What kind of people are Turks?
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:07:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 


 Kosta,

 I doubt that we will ever see such a message. Not because all Turks are
like Mutlu; far from it. They are however afraid of being black-listed
by the Turkish Government. One day they may have to return to Turkey
and serve the army and look for a job. The Turkish government has proven
again and again that they know how to deal with "problem citizens",
whether they are minority Kurds/Armenians or national Turks.

 Anyone ever seen the turkish movie "The Wall?" (Duvar?). I am trying to
remember who the director is, but he is a well-known Turk dissident.
D***, I'm 100% sure I'll remember 10 seconds after I post this note. In
any case, "The Wall" makes "Midnight Express" look like amateur hour. A
Turkish slassmate of mine lend me his copy of the tape once. It is the
true story of what happens behind Turkish prison walls, esp
regarding political prisoners.

Michael
                            
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