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From: stnd@gibbs.physics.purdue.edu (Scott N. Dickson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: DieHard 500
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:09:23 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department

In article <24917@dog.ee.lbl.gov> leres@ee.lbl.gov (ucbvax!leres for uucp weenies) writes:
>All in all, CBS did a better job than I was expecting. Sure, they made


True, except for the last "gas and go" pitstops.  CBS was so busy covering
Richard Petty's "last pitstop at Talledega" that they missed the 28 car's
stop.  Now, the RP storyline is somewhat important, but couldn't they use
videotape?  We never found out how the 28 car ended up a straightaway
back after the stops.  Grrr.
From: slana@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (charles.e.slana)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: What would you have asked Tom Sneva?
Keywords: sneva cart indy
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:20:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsd.1992Jul21.222032.9353
Organization: AT&T

In article <jsnow.711740446@moons>, jsnow@moons.sim.es.com (John Snow) writes:
> Tom Sneva was playing in a local charity golf tournament. After his
> round, I was hanging around talking with him when one of the
> tournament workers asked him if he had a ride back to his hotel. He
> said he didn't and I volunteered to give him a lift which he agreed
> to. It was a half hour ride and I found Sneva to be a very friendly
> talkative guy. So what would you have asked him if you had him all to
> yourself for half an hour? Here are a few of the comments he made to
> me:

Never met him myself, though a friend of mine did on a few occasions.
All indications are that he's a real friendly and anything but a prima donna..
Thanks for sharing your conversation!

(I might of asked him his opinion of Dave Mann, the owner who used the
media to make Sneva look like an idiot when Sneva went golfing on the
last day of Indy qualifications in '91.  (Sneva was bumped and nobody'd
contacted him about a ride, so he took off) But then, I like to stir up
a bit of dirt every once in a while ;-) 

> I asked him how he got his ride with Menard this year. He said that
> "the guy" (he didn't say who) who had given Menard a $50,000 check
> for the ride wouldn't fit in the car, so Sneva got the ride.

Rocky Moran, I believe.  He's like about 6'4" tall, and his head was
too high relative to the rollbar.  Sneva alluded that once in the 70's
he had that problem himself at a race, and that his crew took some radiator
hose and taped and wrapped it to look like a rollbar extension...
Hmmmm... Glad he kept it on all 4 wheels that weekend...

> I asked about how to improve the safety of the Indy cars. He said,
> "Move the driver back. This will allow them to build a U shaped fuel
> cell around the driver to help protect him and will keep the driver's
> feet out of the way in a frontal crash."  I asked why they haven't
> done it. Much head shaking a mumbling about the technical directors.

What a concept!  Protect the driver by wrapping methanol around him...
I guess it could work, though....


Chuck Slana
AT&T Bell Labs
Naperville, IL
email: ..!att!ihlpm!slana
   or  slana@ihlpm.att.com
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From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: Patrese at Hockenheim (why why why)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 01:34:34 GMT

It escapes me why Patresse tried the same passing trick
Schumacher tried and failed. He should have drawn the car
in front onto the inside of the curve by pretending to
pass on the inside, and then swerve out onto the clean
racing line just after onset of braking. The car in front
will be forced to brake heavily on the dirty surface.

But then, the car in front was driven by Senna, and it
was the last lap, while Patresse is the same ol' Patresse

... Ohhhhh well.

Michael MY Hui          myhui@bnr.ca           Ottawa Canada
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From: marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti)
Subject: Re: McLaren Engines
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 07:28:57 GMT

In article <92202.155207JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu>, Jonathan Swaby <JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|> In article <l6luf4INNf4b@news.bbn.com>, tdonahue@BBN.COM (Tim Donahue) says:
|> 
|> >Rumors suggest that Honda may be opting out of F1.  [ ... ]
|> >Where might Ron find engines?  Here's some speculation:
|>
|> >5. Ford
|> >The HB is a commodity and could easily be bought by McLaren,
|> >guaranteeing Ayrton sixth or so on the grid.  The V12, badged as a
|> >Jaguar, could propel the red-and-white cars.  Perhaps unlikely given the
|> >recent progress of Benetton.
|> Unlikley indeed.  What are the chances of McLaren running a Mugen/Honda ?
|> How 'bout McLaren investing money into an engine like the Judd of Ilmor.
|> When I say investing I mean helping the company with R&D. Who knows,
|> maybe they might just buy the Ilmor F1 engine. Ilmor was shopping it
|> around to see if a company wanted to put their name on it like chevy did
|> the indy ilmor engine.

I don't think McLaren will have Illmor power.  First, Illmor have an
_exclusive_ contract with Sauber for next year.  Second, although
Illmor have markedly improved with respect to the last season,
especially in terms of reliability, I just don't think that Illmor
has had the kind of results that catch the imagination of Ron Dennis.

Other scenarios which haven't been mentioned (I think) are:

6. Renault
Dennis apparently has had contacts with Renault back in 1986 to replace
the Porsche TAG engines with Renault power, when Lotus (partly under
pressure from Senna, I believe) decided to switch from Renault power
to Honda power.  If Williams (under pressure from Mansell) decides
to _not_ take Prost, I just could see Ron Dennis taking Prost, and
getting Renault engines in turn.  I don't know the contracts between
Williams and Renault, but in the worst case, this could result in
Williams losing the Renault engines.  (History would almost repeat
itself, with Dennis getting the Honda's despite Piquet's title in 1987.)

7. Porsche
OK, so I am not being serious here.  Still, when Porsche got dumped by
Footwork/Arrows last season, their PR guy claimed that this was only
a brief pause to get their act together.  So here is a chassis supplier
looking for an engine and an engine supplier looking for a chassis ...

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From: slana@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (charles.e.slana)
Subject: CART safety (Re: What would you have asked Tom Sneva?)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:33:38 GMT
Keywords: sneva cart indy

In article <jsnow.711760801@moons>, jsnow@moons.sim.es.com (John Snow) writes:
> slana@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (charles.e.slana) writes:
> >> <John Snow wrote about his conversation with Tom Sneva:>
> >> I asked about how to improve the safety of the Indy cars. He said,
> >> "Move the driver back. This will allow them to build a U shaped fuel
> >> cell around the driver to help protect him and will keep the driver's
> >> feet out of the way in a frontal crash."  I asked why they haven't
> >> done it. Much head shaking a mumbling about the technical directors.
> 
> >What a concept!  Protect the driver by wrapping methanol around him...
> >I guess it could work, though....
> 
> I did talk to him in more detail about this and he seemed fairly
> confident in the safety of the fuel cell and wasn't too worried
> about it rupturing. The benefits of having the fuel cell material and
> the fuel absorb crash energy seemed to outweigh the negatives of a
> possible fuel cell rupture and resulting fire in his mind.
> 
> I may be mistaken, but I believe F1 cars surround the driver with the
> fuel cell.  They carry a lot more fuel and there is only so much room
> to fit it into.

I've seen at least one Formula Vee (Citation, probably '91) where the fuel
bladder comes up partly alongside the driver's hips (seperated from the driver
by the sheetmetal seatback, of course).  I don't think it was enough to
provide any sort of protection, though.

The biggest problem with doing something like that with the Indy Cars is
that the designers are very concerned about the width of the cockpit,
due to aerodynamic drag concerns.  The cockpits are so narrow that any
driver with broad shoulders or hips is really shoehorned in there.  I
can't imagine them adding extra width for the fuel cell.

As for safety, not that my opinion matters any, but I'd think they should
look into the following areas:

	- move the driver back

	- some sort of deformable structure on the back of the cars to
		help absorb impact when a car spins and impacts a wall
		directly backwards.

	- strengthen the tub sides to prevent tires from getting pushed
		into the cars (e.g. Cogan's '91 Indy crash)

	- I know it would look pretty ugly, but add some sort of "cage"
		(almost like a sprinter) to protect the driver's head
		from such things as flying tires, upside-down landings on
		guardrails, and airborne cars (e.g. Michael Andretti could've
		had his head taken off by Fittipaldi's car at Long Beach
		in '91).

	- On the ovals at least, helmet-to-car straps on both sides to
		prevent something like Marcelo's injuries.  Alternatively,
		U-shaped padding in the cockpit surrounding the helmet
		except for the forward direction.

Just my $0.02.


Chuck Slana
AT&T Bell Labs
Naperville, IL
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From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: Re: McDuffie suit: NASCAR/Glen
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:49:27 GMT


In article <1992Jul30.153513.29516@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com>, 
wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson) writes:

[regarding lawsuits]
|>
|>If I trip on my best friend's front walk, I may have NO CHOICE, under our legal
|>system, but to sue.  If I have injuries requiring expensive medical attention
|>and therapy, which I cannot easily "eat", how can I get the relevant insurance
|>company to pay?  The company providing his homeowner's policy may very likely
|>refuse to pay unless a court says they have to.  That is just the unpleasant
|>reality.  I may hate destroying a friendship, and may be the first to admit I
|>tripped through no ones fault but my own.  But, if I can't afford the medical
|>bills, or would have to destroy the savings that were supposed to send my kids
|>to college, what should I do??

So you are saying that a completely innocent party should have to pay for your
troubles just because they were unlucky enough to be both nearby and well-heeled
at the time you had your accident?  With people like you around with attitudes
like that, it's no wonder the U.S. tort system is in such a shambles.

What should you do, you ask?  You should take the lumps that fate has given
you and be thankful that they weren't worse.  You should NOT use the court
system to rob innocent people to pay for your troubles.

|>This digression is merely to make the point that sometimes legal action is the
|>only way to get financial help.  The LAW frequently seems to have little connection
|>with what anyone would call RIGHT or WRONG.  Unless we really know all the details
|>of a situation, we ought to be cautious about assuming that Joe Loenard (sp?),
|>Mark Donohue's (sp?) widow, Clay Regazzoni, etc., are evil people just because they
|>brought lawsuits.  

If they bring lawsuits against parties that they know are innocent, just to
bail themselves out of their own financial trouble, then they ARE evil people.
I don't see that behavior as any more morally justifiable than robbing somebody
at gunpoint to get the money.

--PSW
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Subject: RACE CAR FOR SALE
Keywords: CIRCLE TRACK
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Distribution: pnw
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:23:33 GMT



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From: hanss@microsoft.com (Hans Spiller)
Subject: Re: Its time for another match race
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:51:11 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Summary: acceleration vs high end

In article <182810@pyramid.pyramid.com>, danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones) writes:
> Well, now that the IMSA GTP boys are qualifying faster than the CART
> boys did last year, its time for a showdown.  In 1974 the F1 cars and
> CanAm cars were pretty close in speed, so UOP had their match race at
> Laguna Seca between, if the memory is correct, James Hunt and JP Jarier
> in F1 Shadows vs George Follmer and Jacky Oliver in CanAm Shadows.  The
> CanAm cars blew off the F1 cars.
> 
> So how about a match race between Al Jr and Michael vs Davy and Fangio?
> 
> Dan Jones


I think this is a great idea!

I assume the Can Am cars didn't accelerate as fast but had a higher top
end?  I'm sure that'd be the case today with GTP vs Indy Cars.  I guess
the Toyota weighs a little more than the Indy Car, has a slightly smaller
engine with a little more boost), and is probably better aerodynamicly
on just about all fronts: more downforce and less drag (they don't have
to push this great hulking wheel that's generating massive turbulence
through the air)

I saw only the last few laps of the Portland IMSA GTP/GTL race yesterday, and
dumbly didn't tape it.  Where's Parker Johnstone?  What happened to Li'l Al?
(remember to put spoiler warnings in the subject). I saw two Scandia Racing
trailers parked on Willows Road this afternoon (one black and one white, each
with a colorful abstract Open Wheel Car painted on their sides--quite nice,
actually) so I assume they're back from the race.

				-Hans
				hanss@microsoft.com
From: aghao@sersun2.essex.ac.uk (Aghanya O A)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1: Mansell's moment and Frank's Patrese comments
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:28:41 GMT
Reply-To: aghao@sersun2.essex.ac.uk (Aghanya O A)
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK

Greetings.

I have been away from the net for about a week, and a busy week it was too, 
since I found myself unable to watch the race live on Sunday.

I was happy to see that Nigel won again, but was less than happy with all
the derogatory comments that seemed to be flying his way as a result of his
brief rallycrossing session in the German GP.

Even James Hunt was scathing of Nigel's driving, as are several people on the
net. IMHO, you are all, quite simply, wrong on this occasion.

Why?  If you have a tape of the race, look again carefully at that incident.
You will see that Mansell was not shaping up to attack Senna at all.  He was 
behind Senna all the way into the Ostcurve chicane.  However, that is not to
say that he didn't make a mistake - after all he didn't make the corner.  Senna
also struggled round the corner, although I don't know why.  I think he
was protecting the inside line, and just went in too deep.

It is my contention that it's easy to criticise in the heat of the moment as
James Hunt was doing, but for most of Mansell-bashers, it seems to me that you
are letting your emotions cloud your judgment.  "Ah", you may well say, "but Obi
you are doing exactly the same".  To that I say, possibly, but not this time.  
I was the loudest critic of Mansell after his Montreal stupidity, but in
this case, I think he just made a mistake.  Not a rash, hot-headed and 
irrational challenge on Senna or anything else.  Just a mistake.  And hands up
anyone who can say *they've* never made one of those.

Anyway, moving on, I haven't heard the comments that Frank Williams was 
supposed to have made about Patrese - can someone post them, please. If they 
were indeed as scathing as some people have suggested, then I would lose quite
a lot of the great respect I have for FW.  Still, I will reserve judgment on 
that one until I get AUTOSPORT tomorrow.

Cheers,

	Obi.


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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: Davey's wreck/ESPN
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:09:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.200615.2282@ms.uky.edu> howard@ms.uky.edu (Howard Francis) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.175911.29125@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>>
>>Anybody got any background on Jenkins?  What did he do prior to
>>ESPN?
>PS to c,ball:  If you get to talk to him, ask him if he wants a copy
>of the published interview (If he does, find out an address I can send
>it to).
>

OK - where did the article appear?

Another note on broadcasters.  My friend Fred Armstrong was calling
Pocono for MRN from around the T3 area last Sunday.  He had to call
Davey's wreck (it came to a rest right nearby his position).  All he
could do to keep his composure.

-c'ball-
From: arm@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Sennas tactics at Hockenheim
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:25:24 GMT
Reply-To: arm@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <zlsiida.1080@fs1.mcc.ac.uk>, zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:
>In article <memo.544677@cix.compulink.co.uk> shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith) writes:
>
>>Why? Why only the problem when passing _Senna_?
>
>I dunno about the lecture on psychological methods, but... [Del]

One will only pass Ayrton if he is in a much much better car and most
of the time this will not occur on a curve. He is brilliant on the
corners. He makes all of them perfectly without giving any room for
one to pass. Often both Nigel and Ricardo keep weaving behind Ayrton on
the assumption that they are pressuring him (This does not affect a
master of corners and a fearless racer like Senna). Note that when
Ayrton is behind he never engages in the zig-zag mode... He often goes
at correct time. 
Also Senna has a fantastic ability of track recognition in the sense 
that he can identify where the dirty or very wet sectors are located. 
Thus, when impatient drivers like Nigel, for example, are weaving behind 
him they do so for a reasonable amount of time. And this is because 
Senna does offer passing chances.  After some time Ayrton will offer
a passing illusion. He will make room on the dirty side of the track. 
That is all; not much of  psychology behind this. Prost and Nigel know 
so well about this since they have experienced it many times. The difference 
is that Prost has learned about it while Nigel has not.

Pinto 
   
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From: deanb@pecan10.cray.com (Dean Barker)
Subject: ARTGO Update
Originator: deanb@pecan10
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 28 Jul 92 07:28:50 CDT



		1992 ARTGO Challenge Series Schedule

DATE		SITE			WINNER		PTS. LEADER
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
4/5		Rockford, IL		J. Weber	J. Weber (+6)
4/25		Morris, IL		J. Weber	J. Weber (+20)
5/9,10		West Allis, WI		T. Carlson	J. Weber (+44)
5/25		Kaukauna, WI		T. Carlson	J. Weber (+82)
6/6		Grand Rapids, MI	T. Carlson	J. Weber (+73)
6/13		Schererville, IN	J. Shear	J. Weber (+24)
6/23		Lake Geneva, WI		R. Beebe	J. Weber (+29)
7/3		Elko, MN		T. Carlson	J. Weber (+17)
7/19		West Allis, WI		J. Neal		T. Carlson (+34)
7/22		Cedar Rapids, IA
7/24		Kansas City, KS
7/25		Lebanon, MO
7/31		Kalamazoo, MI
8/2		Rockford, IL
8/4		Kaukauna, WI
8/11		Morris, IL
9/26,27		Rockford, IL
10/3		Toledo, OH
10/10,11	West Salem, WI

Point Standings (as of 7/20):

1. T. Carlson		824
2. J. Weber		790
3. S. Carlson		746
4. B. Brownell		668
5. R. Beebe		653
6. L. Schuler		647
7. T. Sauter		596
8. J. Shear		570
9. M. Kenseth		553
10. D. Harrington	547
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From: burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: F1:  What did Frank Williams say to Andrew Marriot re: Patrese
Reply-To: burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:35:53 GMT


I don't remember the exact words, but it was somthing to do with losing
4 points (did he use the term 'valuable' or something like that?) and kind
of implied it was not a smart move by Patrese.  No indication he was sorry
for Patrese, more for the team, but from a team owner, that's what I would
expect anyway.

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From: jrs@cbnews.cb.att.com (jeff.sherota)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Laguna Seca IMSA on TV?
Date: 22 Jul 92 04:55:34 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Jul22.041137.29474@uwm.edu> naze@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Daniel J Naze) writes:
>  Is anyone aware if the Laguna Camel GT event was or is going to be
>Broadcast?  Apparently, NBC was covering it but I never saw any listings
>stating that.
>
>Dan Naze

I thought I heard it was going to be televised by one of the big 3 (NBC, ABC,
or CBS) this coming Saturday at 4 PM eastern time.  I haven't checked yet, can 
anyone confirm?

				Jeff
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From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
Subject: Re: Facts and Rumors before Hockenheim
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 01:22:38 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Jul22.180654.13524@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>I wrote:
>>I think it has already been mentioned here, but I will repeat it.
>>Lotus cannot afford Al Jr. (they have unofficially unadmitted this) and
                                                     ^^
Did I actually type this?  I need a new brain.

>>more sponsorship money (unless the EC bans all cigarette advertising like
>>if one of the current drivers goes it will be Johnny Herbert.  Mika has
>>they were talking about).
>>
>>alan
>
>Al Jr. would bring a shitload of sponsors, no matter where he goes.
>

Now, I may be totally confused about how F1 sponsorship works, but
doesn't driver sponsorship go to the driver, who may have to pay his
team to drive, except in the case of certain top drivers who are paid by
the team from the money from team sponsors?  I thought Al Jr. would only
go to a F1 team if he got money from a team.

If this is so, Lotus can't afford him.

alan