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From: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: First experiences at Camden Yards
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:49:38 GMT
Reply-To: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Distribution: usa
Organization: David Taylor Model Basin, Bethesda, MD


I made it up to Camden Yards thursday night. "Is this Heaven?" -No,
it's Baltimore! We arived at about 5:45 and the gates were not open
yet. (My only complaint) We went in and took a grand tour lap around
the park. It is great but, there is a problem...which place to eat!
Do you want a sub, super burger, hot dog, Polish sausage, meatball sub,
crabcake... I went for a double. I ate a hotdog with kraut out by the
B&O warehouse and a crabcake sand inside the park. The crabcake was
about as good as I've had in a long time. Lots-O-crabmeat very little
filler. We bought one drink in each of the different souveneir cups,
gotta have 'em all! Oh yeah, there was a game there too. Big Ben was
overpowering. He had good control of his curve and that serious heat
was cookin'. Two hits, nine K's shutout complete game.
We made it back to Annandale VA in about one hour, great time.

Brian
Lovin' it
From: niccum@cs.umn.edu (Thomas M. Niccum)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Gary's sig
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:51:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr8.165118.6130
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

In <1992Apr8.104710.29163@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> david j warner <dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:

>In article <1992Apr8.062458.17178@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> lyle@chainsaw.ecn.purdue.edu (Lyle Youngblood) writes:
>> *    Gary Huckabay    * "They sent Brosius down."  "So Lansford has the job?" *
>> *   "A considerably   * "Yep.  And it looks like Bordick has won the 2B job." *
>> *  shorter fuse than  * "I guess I better make postseason plans now." "Good   *
>> *    Sherri Nichols." *  idea.  Call Puget Sound Airways." - GH & EG.         *
>>
>>    Or maybe you could fly into Indy.  There's a place called Don's Guns.
>>His motto is "I don't care about money, I just LOVE to sell guns."  Hell, I'm
>>not even an A's fan and I'd spring for the ammo....<grin><no offense intended

>It was only a matter of time before I saw somebody crack on Don's Guns
>somewhere on this net.  A friend of mine clipped a newspaper ad of his, which
>showed him aiming a 9mm a the camera and smiling maniacally as he always does.
>I wonder what he thinks of the A's lack of ammo...

I'm holding in my hand a prized souvenier from an Indy trip a few years
ago:  a newspaper advertisement for Don's Guns - just listen....

FREE GUN - with purchase of membership to indoor gun ranges...
Free unlimited shooting with membership...
$75.00 + Tax

Quite a deal, eh?

> 
>>--
>>All men are equal, Colnel Colt made 'em that way - Old West Proverb
>>Political power flows from the barrell of a gun - Mao Tse-tung
>>Same thought, different words - Lyle Youngblood
>>lyle@chainsaw.ecn.purdue.edu


>-- 
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From: lalor@cod.nosc.mil (Joe Lalor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Henderson vs. Ryan
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:44:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NRaD

In article <texdude.703304521@camelot>, texdude@camelot.bradley.edu (Philip Allen) writes:
> 
> In <1992Apr14.181447.3261@panix.com> spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira) writes:
> 
> >When you look at Ryan's lifetime ERA, his lifetime W-L (career W-Ls are        
> >somewhat meaningful, unlike single year W-L), etc., its pretty clear that
> >Ryan just hasn't helped his teams all that much.  His biggest negative, of
> >course, has been his lousy control - he's walked more people than any other
> >pitcher in history, and its not close.  Check out his career OBP allowed, and
> >compare it to that allowed by pitchers like Seaver, or even Bert Blyleven.
> >Ryan is way behind. 

Without looking 8^), I seem to recall that Nolan's career ERA is better than
pitchers such as Palmer as well as other 300 win and HOF pitchers.  This
stat always surprised me because you think of Nolan and the wildness, etc.,
but a lot of those runs didn't get home.  Definitly, in the Ranger era, stat
wise, he has been as dominant as any pitcher over the last 4 years, but
such as is the case with Ryan, he doesn't have the big won-loss record.
 
> Ryan played for bad teams.  It wasn't just him.  The records of the teams
> he played on were usually much worse than his personal W-L record.  And I
> agree that Ryan's main problem is control, but he makes up for the strikes
> by not allowing hits.  As for ERA, while his wasn't sparkling, he led the
> league in ERA in 1981 and 1987.

Ryan led the league in 87 with an 8-16 record.

> Speaking of that, I recall an article in USA Today a few years back that
> had a poll of major league players over who was the pitcher they least
> liked to face.  Over 80% (I could be wrong) said Ryan was their least
> favorite. 
> 

Reggie Jackson: Hitting against Nolan Ryan is like trying to drink coffee
with a fork

--Joe Lalor
lalor@cod.nosc.mil
From: tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Will Clark as a Triple Crowner?
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:27:18 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

>Griffey is the only active player with a reasonable chance to be the best of
>all time at his position.  Yes, that would involve being better than Mantle
>and Mays and Speaker.  No, it's not probable; it's not improbable, either.

Not until he gets his head out of his ass and decides to give the game more 
respect than he does now.  


GT
From: vkr@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Dream Team Poll
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:10:05 EST
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University
From: vkr@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Dream Team Poll
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:20:21 EST
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

Hello Baseball fans!

Have you ever wanted to be in a rotessirie league but found it difficult since 
college begins in August and communication between members becomes difficult? 
How about if all your members go to your college and summer comes along and 
again communication is hard to maintain?  The net-Rotessirie is the solution.

I am forming a league in which these problems are avoided.  Ok, it is not
really a league but rather a dream team-type pool.  Each member submits a
selection of players who they feel will be hot this year--these players would
make up your team.  Then your team will be judged or ranked against other
members' teams.  The winner is the one whose team ranks the highest compared
to the other teams.

The selection of players are based upon certain criteria that I have formed.
If you are sincerely interested in this venture please contact me by e-mail at
vkr@vax5.cit.cornell.edu or at my home number 1-607-253-5812.  This program
might cost a very small amount per team to cover expenses and to give awards
to the winning teams.

By the way, a preliminary team should be in by opening day; however, since 
opening day has come already, I will extend the deadline to April 23.
Any changes will also take place in the first three weeks of play--sent to me
via e-mail or the phone.  After that your team is final until classes resume
again in August (at which time I will post the current rankings and 
statistics).  Crunch time starts now.  Each change on the roster may make the 
difference.  The stats used to calculate your ranking are cumulative; in 
other words, if you held a player from August 29 to September 27, you will
receive his stats for September 2 to September 30 (changes in week don't
become final until the Wednesday after the change).  However, any changes in
the first three weeks of play won't be cumulative, i.e., if you change a 
player in this time period it will seem as though you had him from the 
beginning.

This method allows people to maintain a constant, strong team for most of the
year but gives them a chance to catch up with the leader in the last month or
so until Playoffs (Playoff stats don't count).

Bye,
	Rahul Saggar

P.S. there might be few changes in this format which I will send to interested
members.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: s_bean@oz.plymouth.edu (Shaun P. Bean)
Subject: Re: Dodger Roster Move
Reply-To: s_bean@oz.plymouth.edu (Shaun P. Bean)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 21:51:16 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.145321.12926@cs.tulane.edu> eebonar@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu writes:
>Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-10848]: sn01.sncc.lsu.edu
>News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4
>
>In article <204471@unix.cis.pitt.edu>, rrmst3@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Roberto R Molinari) writes...
>>In article <ktvtsdINN97d@mizar.usc.edu> pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger) writes:
>>>The Dodgers made a somewhat surprising move today.  They place Jay
>>>Howell on the 15 day disabled list 
>> 
>>AAARRRGGGHH... Is this really true?  I just made an 8 player deal in my
>>rotisserie league last night and received Jay Howell to strenghthen my weak
>>pen and he's already hurt?  What's wrong with him now?  Is the DL retroactive?

Yes, it is retroactive to April 4.  Two days big deal huh?

shaun
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From: wilbanks@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Dylanus Deus Latinus)
Subject: Dean Palmer/Ivan Rodriguiez
Summary: RANGERS RANGERS RANGERS!!!!
Keywords: Rangers Texas Palmer Rodriguiez
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:18:42 GMT

I remember Dean Palmar and Ivan Rodriguiez comming up for the AA Tulsa
Drillers.

Palmer struck me as a player with a great amount of power but a klutz
on the hot corner. He led the Texas League in HRs in 1990 (26, I believe)
but with him and the incredibly butter-fingered Monty Farris (who finally
made it to the bigs, a possible sign of the Apocalypse) the Drillers were 
not much to be reckoned with. So far this year he hasn't been tested,
but the Rangers were very dumb to let Buchele go and move Palmer there.
Actually now that I think about it, I'm wrong. Palmer was converted at OKC
over to 3rd; he played 1b and of at Tulsa. Still, his defense at 1st was 
stiff and very much like an rightfielder playing 1st. Converting him was dumb
indeed, even though Palmeiro was at 1st. Palmer at dh is a better option.
(I can't believe I forgot he didn't play 3rd in '90. STOOPID!)

Ivan the Terrible, however, is exactly what the Rangers needed: a stable, 
anti-SB catcher that make a runner pay for testing his arm. I sat behind
a scout one night last year. He obviosly was watching the pitcher, but his
gun told a very sad story: the return throw was often within 5 mph of the 
pitcher! The pitcher would throw a 80 slider, and Ivan would throw back 
at 75. I only saw one player sucessfully steal on him, and that was because
the pitch was low and slow, and he couldn't get it out of his glove in time.
Otherwise, he sparkled.
If the Rangers were smart, they'd protect Rodriguiez with their lives. 
Every great pitching staff needs a great catcher, and Ivan is truly on his
way to being great.

Just an average opinion from your neighborhood Tulsa Oilers/Drillers fan.

-- 
Dylanus Deus Latinus Ingeniousus Maximus.
----> If it wasn't for disappointment,
----> I wouldn't have any appointment.
----> -"Snowball in Hell", They Might Be Giants
From: CAVGEOE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: the Expos crush the Mets...
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:15:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: YaleVM.167CB138FA.CAVGEOE
Organization: Yale University

In article <1992Apr16.164307.16316@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
cscdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Dan Carpenter) writes:
 
>
>This is NOT a Expos bashing -- But it IS a Barbarie Bashing.  I heard on
>the radio, That Macho-Man Barbarie is Gloating over pushing Tim Wallach
>to First base.  Is that true?  All the tales I've heard, He (Barbarie),
>is one  Cocky SOB, and his ego is so high (he's so full of hot air),
>that he will floating out of the Expos stadium soon, just like a hot air
>balloon.  And he contributed to the Cardinal victory with 2 errors.  Let
>him have 2 or 3 better than average and then send him down to AAA with a
>message to correct his attitude or rot.  Tim Wallach has been a very
>good Baseball player and will continue to do so, and he does need to
>have to put up with some  snot-nosed, egotistical brat in the majors.
>
>That's my $0.05 worth.
>
     Inflation strikes the net vocab!  Or is it that when we talk
about the Expos we have to use Canadian dollar values? :-)
 
Jeff
From: henze@aludra.usc.edu (William Henze)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Twins choke
Date: 14 Apr 1992 10:39:37 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr14.084732.3961@hemlock.cray.com> rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <12100@ns-mx.uiowa.edu>, saevans@l_ecn13.icaen.uiowa.edu (Scott A Evans,,,) writes:
>> From article <ku9jfjINNef5@girtab.usc.edu>, by henze@girtab.usc.edu (William Henze):
>> > Bottom of the 9th Grand Slam to lose the game.  Brings back all
>> > of those *fond* memories of my hero Ron Davis.  Guess the Twins
>> > won't win all their games this year...
>> >
>> You mean "Whiplash" Davis?  Never have seen a pitcher since then to whip his
>> head around so quickly when a ball is hit!
>
>David West, Game 5, on Lonnie Smith's HR.  I give it a sligh edge over
>Ron Davis, 1984, on Jamie Quirk's HR for Cleveland (The Twins blew a 
>10-0 lead to lose 10-11, knocking the Twins out of the pennant race).  
>

Ugh!  The end of that season is probably my worst baseball memory.  The
game you mentioned was pretty horrific.  I listened to it on a radio
station long-distance from Alabama.  I kind of remember it being a Kansas
City game though.  Are you sure it was the Indians?  I thought Quirk played
for the Royals.  I also remember the Twins blowing some other games late that
season.  I believe they had a 5-0 lead with two outs in the 9th and ended
up losing after 3 two-run homers.

Didn't Davis weep openly when talking to the media sometime that season.  He
 certainly had reason to cry.

Bill
Go Twins
From: rdale@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Dale)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Mack Beaning
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:05:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.44605
Organization: Purdue University, W Lafayette IN

I saw the hit several times, and from the reaction of the pitcher
and the commentary I heard that was in no way an intentional hit.
I think it's overreatcing to say that every time a batter gets hit
that the pitcher did it on purpose.  Can we say that every batted
ball that hits a pitcher was put there on purpose?  No.  Not
every pitched or batted ball goes exactly where it's supposed to,
these things are just a way of life.

Rob
--
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Purdue University Atmospheric Sciences  <>      74010.302@compuserve.com
West Lafayette, Indiana                 <>      N8GSK@K9IU.IN.USA.NOAM
From: niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Good guys, Bad Guys
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:38:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada


  OK so the thread from Rickey Henderson vs. Nolan Ryan has kind of diverged
from who's better to how Rickey is an idiot and whether or not we perceive him
that way because of race. In reality I believe that the people view the
players purely by what the media wants us to see and wants us to show. We see
our heroes on a baseball field for 3 hours a day so it's difficult to judge   
them from that so we have to rely on what the press picks up about the players
to pass our judgements on them.
  A few sample cases:

Fred McGriff-
 Probably a quiet guy from what I've seen. Of course he is one hell of a great
ballplayer yet you never hear about him. Why? Because the media doesn't want
to cover him because he doesn't give the most interesting interviews, so he goes
unnoticed on All-Star teams (never made an all-star team), Silver Slugger awards
and MVP balloting. If he played with the Mets and gave good interviews he'd
probably be considered the best 1B in the National League.

Dave Stewart-
 Seems like a nice guy and I know he donates a lot of money towards charity and
devotes time to help out. Of course he never won the Cy Young but of course
he never deserved to.   But the thing about Stewart is how he gets overshadowed by 
guys like Carney Lansford. This might be some form of racism (granted he did
stink last year)

Lenny Dykstra or Darren Daulton-
 Remember the car crash when both players were injured? I think their was a
drinking under the influence of alcohol suit charged; yet these players remain
clean.

Eric Davis vs. George Brett-
  Both players have a history of injuries. Why is one a crying whimp while the
other is not? 

Mookie Wilson-
  The guy played like crap but the media loved him. So no one ever said "Hey
he's costing us games" or "let's replace him". Rather it was Nelson Liriano
and Manny Lee who took ALL of the blame. Why? Because Mookie's a fun-loving
guy and a good interview. But still a shit ballplayer.

					Gord Niguma
					(fav player- John Olerud)
					(better than the media will tell you)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: geoff@jts.com (Geoff Vona)
Subject: Re: If not Alfredo, who?
Organization: JTS Computer Systems Ltd.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:38:32 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.092650.1@vaxr.sscl.uwo.ca> palmer2@vaxr.sscl.uwo.ca (The Econoclast) writes:
>Suppose Manny Lee is injured or begins to play even worse than he has
>played in the past. Should they start Alfredo? Should they call up
>Zosky? Do they have someone in AA they can call up? 

What about Jeff Kent?  Is this kid the Ed Sprague of '92?  Maybe he could
fill a hole at short - seems to be doing just fine with major league pitching.
Of course, I understand that 2B is his position, but he's been subbing at
third so he should have the arm.

Can he be worse than Manuel?

(Its fun calling guys only a couple of years younger than you "kids"!)

BTW, who else out there thinks that Derek Bell looks like a younger, thinner
Cliff Johnson?

------------
Geoff Vona		"Hockey strike's over, but...."
geoff@jts.com

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: White and Burks (also SkyDome)
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 02:51:43 GMT

> 
> In short, White at the top of his game is almost as good as Ellis Burks
> is on average.

	I agree, but White is probably going to give the Blue Jays a full
  year of playing CF.  Burks has knee and back problems, how durable is he
  now?  I douubt he'll make it through the whole season.

							G.Greene

> -- 
> Ted Frank          + "A word is not a crystal, transparent and unchanged, it
> 1307 E 60 St, #109 +  is the skin of a living thought and may vary greatly in
> U o' C Law Skool   +  color and content according to the circumstances and
> Chi, IL 60637      +  the time in which it is used."  --  Holmes
From: jameskau@aludra.usc.edu (James Kaufman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Least Valuable Players (career)
Date: 11 Apr 1992 00:37:31 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <32639@darkstar.ucsc.edu> srobson@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Seth I Robson) writes:
>
>It must be Mario Mendoza.  Unless he didn't get enough AB to qualify or
>something.  Otherwise I'd consider Johnny LeMaster, who probably stole too
>many bases at one point or other.  
>
>--
>Seth I. Robson; srobson@ucscb.ucsc.edu  [ humm-baby! ]
>University of California, Santa Cruz
>"There's something kind of EUUUUUUUGH about a kid that doesn't like
> to play baseball..."  -- Foghorn Leghorn.

If you want to include it to pitchers, there are many candidates.  I just
co-authored a book called THE WORST PITCHERS OF ALL TIME (McFarland, in
press), and our worst pitcher of all time was Happy Jack Townsend (very
early pitcher).  Recent really bad pitchers include Jesse Jefferson (Blue
Jays, other teams in late '70s, early '80s), and Mike Parrott (his 1-16
season in 1980, when he was hit in the groin by a line drive -- without a
cup, no less-- was one of the worst ever).  We also picked a "skunk" every
year, based on win-loss, era, and a Palmer-Thorn stat called WAT.  Last year's
winner was Kirk McCaskill (10-19).  Everyone always mentions that the Angels
only scored 2 or less runs in 10 of his losses, but no one mentions that
in around six or seven of those ten losses, he gave more than five/six runs....
Anyway, thought it might be of some interest..... :-)
James Kaufman
jameskau@aludra.usc.edu
From: dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Cubs Win! Cubs Win! Cubs Win!
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:30:37 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Apr14.224824.18302@lmpsbbs.mot.com> stanm@comm.mot.com writes:
>
[Nelson Lu wrote:]
>>Besides, he plays in one of the best power-hitting parks in the majors.  If
>>he doesn't hit for power at Wrigley, that means that he must *really* not have
>>any power at all.

>I don't want to flame Nelson on this, but how many times during the year does
>the wind at Wrigley blow out? Not as often as you'd think. 

Who cares?  Wind is irrelevant.  All you have to do to see how much of a HR
heaven Wrigley is, is to *count* how many HR the Expos and Cardinals and Reds
and Pirates and [...] hit at Wrigley, vs. how many they hit against Cubs 
pitchers in their various home parks.  They hit many, many more in Wrigley.
I don't really care if that's due to wind, rain, pyramid power, crystal 
emanations, or Hector Villanueva sneezing *very* hard at the wrong time; the
effect is there, and it's consistent year after year.


>Also, most of the 
>hitters who love Wrigley Field eat up Cubs pitching for lunch. Thus, it's 
>better to be visiting
>Wrigley rather than making it your home, in some cases. 

WOULD YOU PLEASE PUT SOME LINE BREAKS IN YOUR TEXT?

(sorry)

You miss the point.  The Expos hit more HR at Wrigley than they do AGAINST THE
CUBS in Montreal.  Ditto for every other team except Atlanta.  Wrigley inflates
*everyone's* hitting stats.

>Somebody please back me up on this.

Sorry... :-)

-- 
          David M. Tate            |"The man who hath no music in himself
     dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu       | Nor is not moved by concord of sweet sound
  A poem should be dumb, / As old  | Is fit for treason, stratagems, and spoils
 medallions to the thumb.-MacLeish | 	Shakespeare, "Merchant of Venice", A.V
From: bwb00@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Brakke)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:43:36 GMT
Subject: Re: Marlins & Rockies
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO