From: n5ppm264 (Charlie Board)
Subject: Re: The sin of shaving? (was Homosexuals anywhere...)
Organization: bnr
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:01:13 GMT

In article <5241@transfer.stratus.com>, markc@eomer.hw.stratus.com (Mark Christensen) writes:
> 
> In article <64598@hydra.gatech.EDU> rpitts@emperor.gatech.edu (Richard Pitts) writes:
> >In article <1992Jul29.134833.28005@brtph560.bnr.ca> n5ppm264 (Charlie Board) writes:
> >>
> >>[Examples of laws Christians conveniently ignore deleted]
> >>And let's not forget Numbers 5:12-31, where god not only approves of but
> >>COMMANDS that abortions be performed on women suspected of adultery. This
> >>is the ONLY place the Bible directly addresses the subject of abortion...
> >>have you ever heard a fundie anti-choice preacher address it?
> >
> >COULD YOU QUOTE some of these specific verses, for I read them and
> >do not see at all what you are talking about.
> >
> >The offerings mentioned are for the jealousy (founded or unfounded) that
> >the husband had about his wife, who may or may not have committed adultery.
> >
> >The concluding verse Numbers 5:31 says that "Then shall the man be free
> >from iniquity and the woman shall bear her guilt."   The point is that
> >the offerings were made for the man's actions/thoughts of jealousy and
> >the curse was for the woman's act of adultery, but if she had not
> >committed adultery, then she would not have to bear any guilt and if
> >she had no guilt, then she bore none.
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >Richard Pitts
> >-- 
> >rpitts@cerl.gatech.edu       |    
> >Atlanta, GA                --|-- 
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> 
> Amen.  (...and I don't care for your (Charlie Board)  choice of wording
> for pro-life, fundamental, pastors.  It's obvious where you stand
> Charlie, and that isn't on the word of God)
> 
I guess I should have stated up front where I stand. I am NOT a Christian and
no, I don't stand on the word of God. I apologize for the tone of that post 
(and for the inflammatory lines in the first followup to Richard Pitts).

However, I noticed that you didn't even attempt to address the issue...which
sort of leads me to wonder whether you *really* care what the bible says 
about abortion.

As for the anti-choice pastors...for nearly 20 years they have been preaching
that abortion is a primo, grade-A sin AND trying to force people to have
unwanted children.  As Christians they should be looking at the Bible to
support their position (that it's a sin, in a free society there IS NO
support for forcing that choice on others). 

Well..as I said:
1) The Bible contains only one direct reference to abortion
2) This reference is in a section said to be spoken DIRECTLY BY GOD!
3) There is NOT EVEN THE SLIGHTEST HINT that he disapproves, on the
contrary he ACTUALLY COMMANDS THESE ABORTIONS in some cases

Given all the above I can only conclude that these pastors are extreme
hypocrites, concerned only with imposing their (obscene) worldviews on 
others - not with following the "word of God". I have a little more 
sympathy for their congregations, they've been fed a steady diet of covered
up propoganda and probably don't know the verse is there.

I don't want to get involved in the type of flame wars that constitute 
talk.abortion, so I'm going to limit my replis in this thread to comments 
on the Bible passage in question from here on out.

Have A Nice Day (and keep your filthy hands of my [wife,sister,mother]'s womb),
Charlie Board
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