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From: donabedi@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (David Donabedian)
Subject: Jim Jones
Reply-To: donabedi@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (David Donabedian)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:03:29 GMT



*Here are the lyrics for Jim Jones as transcribed by John
*Carpenter.  Any corrections gladly accepted.
	
	Here are my "corrections" to the lyrics to "Jim Jones." I hear them a bit differently. Does 
anybody hear something besides "person" in the line "they'll flog the ____out of you.."? I like 
"person" but is this what's being said?==Dave



        Jim Jones

Come and listen for a moment lads
And hear me tell my tale
How across the sea from England
I was condemned to sail.

by the jury found me guilty
Then says the judge says he
O For life Jim Jones I 'm sending you
Across the stormy sea.

O take a trip before you ship
To join the iron gang
Don't get to gay Botney Bay
or else you'll surely hang.

Or else you'll surely hang says he
And after that Jim Jones
Is high up upon the gallows tree--
The crows will pick your bones.

Well our ship was high upon the sea when
Pirates came along.
But the soldiers on our convict ship were
full 500 strong.

O they opened fire and somehow drove
That pirate ship away
But I'd rather have joined that
Pirate ship than gone to Botney bay.

With the storms a raging around us
And the winds a blowing gales
I'd rather have drowned in misery
Than gone to New South Wales.

There's no time for mischief there they say
Remember that says they
For they'll flog the person out of you
Down there in Botney Bay.

Now its day and night the irons clang and
Like poor galley slaves
We toil and toil and when we die
Must fill dishonored graves.

Well its by and by I'll slip my chains
Into the bush I'll go
I'll join the bravest rangers there
Jack Donahoe and Co.

And some dark night when everything
Is silent in the town
I'll shoot those tyrants one and all
I'll gun the floggers down.

Oh I'll give the law a little shock
To remeber what I say
And they'll yet regret they've sent
Jim Jones in chains to Botney Bay.


--
John H. Zureick                                 zureick@ucunix.san.uc.edu
From: ce448@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chris Lehmann)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: neil young
Date: 16 Nov 1992 11:40:53 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce448@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chris Lehmann)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, bwb@rigel.econ.uga.edu (Brian Bresnahan) says:

>hello fellow dylan heads
>this is not related to bob but i thought you all might
>have some insight
>
>is neil young touring at the present time?
>does anyone have the dates and locations?
>
I heard/saw on MTV News that Neil is waiting for "Inspiration to strike" 
before he takes this album out on tour. So I guess, as of right now, no
he is not touring. Maybe in the spring? (hope! hope!)

>by the way his new album is great--Harvest Moon
>he played a lot of the songs on the album during
>his summer tour
>i caught the columbia, md--merri-weather post pav

The album definately grows on you. I was a little disappointed at first, but
I like more and more these days.

						Chris

OB Dylan - My campus newspaper did a review of GAIBTY, saying how much they
like the return to the acoustic, but why did he write songs that have 
nothing to do with the world today? I read it with a grimace and a shout
to the sky, "Do your homework, you idiots!" Oh well. Just thought it was
funny.

						Chris

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From: olof@enea.se (Olof Bj|rner)
Subject: Re: GAIBTY../ D in Europe?
Organization: Enea Data AB, Sweden
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:54:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.123359.1@sara.cc.utu.fi> riilai@sara.cc.utu.fi writes:
 >Hello!
 >
 >----
 >Are there any new rumours/information about Dylan coming to Europe? If you hear
 >anything let us know rihgt away. So that us poor people can start plannig bank
 >robberies, or something, to get some money to travel to concerts. He will not 
 >be coming here, I'm (almost) sure. (-A bitter voice from the fringes of
 >Europe...sometimes you just hope that you were born somewhere else, like New
 >England or something....)
 >
 >
 >Riitta Laitinen
 >University of Turku
 >Finland

There have been rumors about a European tour staring in late January or
early February some time now. 

The tour will be mostly in the UK I understand with a number of shows
at Hammersmith Odeon in London again. Shows in Manchester, Birmingham,
Edinburgh and Belfast have also been suggested. Shows in Germany and 
Italy have also been mentioned.

Wanted Man hotline says tonight that confirmation will come from Dylan's
management on Monday 23.

Olof
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From: brummer@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Charlie Brummer)
Subject: Re: Dylan/Bruce
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:13:45 GMT

>		i agree wholeheartedly!  his best work (and
>		i'll probably be flamed for this...) was 
>		nebraska when he perfected the bruce-style
>		ballad... alot of telling first-person laments
>		with nebraska & johnny 99 the best IMHO.
>> -- 
>peace to all,
>pjm.

It's hard to get flamed when you tell the truth!!!!!  Nebraska is really good,
but he also has some really good stuff on Tunnel of Love and Lucky Town that's
pretty personal.

Charlie

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From: howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (John Howells)
Subject: Re: GAIBTY Lyrics
Keywords: lyrics
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 22:15:09 GMT

tad@cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu (Tad Alan Davis) writes:

<Here are the lyrics as I hear them.  Please post or e-mail any corrections.

<Good As I Been To You
<Bob Dylan
<1992

< 1. Frankie & Albert

<Gimme thousand policemen, ??? hotel
                          ^^^^^^^^^^ take me to the jail (?)
<"I shot my Albert dead and now I'm goin' to jail
                                             ^^^^  hell (?)
<He was my man, but he done me wrong"

<Frankie went to the scaffolf, calm as a girl could be
<Turned her eyes up towards the heavens, said "Nearer my God to be"
                                                                ^^ Thee
<He was a man, but he done her wrong



< 6. Little Maggie


<Well it's march me away to the station with my suitcase in my hand
<Yeah it's march me away to the station, I'm off to some far just land
                                                         ^^^^^^^^ 
							 foreign land (?)
<Sometimes I have a nickle and sometimes I have a dime
<Sometimes I have ten dollars just to pay little Maggie whose mine
                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
						 Maggie's fine (?)


Just some suggestions...

--
                                        John Howells
                                        howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov 
                                        howells@earth.arc.nasa.gov
From: jojw@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John J. Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: neil young
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:43:23 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

Chris Lehmann says...
>
>OB Dylan - My campus newspaper did a review of GAIBTY, saying how much they
>like the return to the acoustic, but why did he write songs that have 
>nothing to do with the world today? I read it with a grimace and a shout
>to the sky, "Do your homework, you idiots!" Oh well. Just thought it was
>funny.

Speaking of clueless reviews, a new local fanzine had a review of the
recent Dylan show at the Eastman theatre; its writer complaining that
"there weren't enough "hits" played like `Knockin' On Heaven's Door'
and `How Does It Feel'.";-)  Easily one of the worst reviews of any
given concert I've read in a loooooong time.


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Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: kr11615@yugoslavia (Kent Roessler)
Subject: Response for Jennifer Yablonsky
Organization: Medtronic, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:37:38 GMT

First of all Ms. Yablonsky nobody gives a rip what you think of Bob
Dylan. Secondly, Dylan has been playing music when Bruce was still in
diapers sucking his thumb. As far as the music is concerned, Bob is a
much better songwriter (and player) with heartfelt and meaningful
songs. In my opinion, Bruce is a cheap imitation of Bob (and Dylan
even said that in an interview in the early 80's) and his songs hold
no deep messages about the world, Jesus, and just everyday life that
regular people can relate to. A lot of bruce's songs are so trite (for
example, "57 channels and nothing on ...") they just do nothing for
me!

For your information Jennifer not everyone who listens to dylan is a
HIPPIE!!! 


I suppose since I like the Beatles, Stones, Buffalo Springfield too,
that I'm a psycadelic (sp?) hippie.

My suggestion to you (who probably also likes Debbie Gibson, Barry
Manilow, Prince, M. Jackson, and the Jets) is to get off your soapbox
and get a grip on life and what's really important!!!


".. every generation throws a hero up the pop charts ..." Paul Simon
From: bell-peter@yale.edu (Peter Bell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: the bootleg cd set...opinions?
Date: 19 Nov 1992 22:07:25 -0500
Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu

So, I finally broke down and got a cd player.  Since I already have most of 
the dylan I'll want on vinyl, I was looking over the 3-cd set.  It looks 
pretty inviting, outtakes from Blood on the Tracks and Desire amongst other
things.  But then I got to thinking about the quality of the outtakes in-
cluded on Biograph, most of which are interesting but nothing to write home
about, in terms of sound, performance or both.  

so, what do people think of that set of discs?  Are there *good reasons* why
the cuts never made onto the final releases? 

Also, in a fairly unrelated vein, I am trying to find a copy of the 
Emil Gilels/ George Szell/ Cleveland Orchestra recording of Beethoven's 
Emperor Concerto on CD.  The copy I have on vinyl is great--the best recording
of that piece I have heard, and I have either 5 or 6 in the house right now
(I inherited my ex's record collection, and she had been a classical pianist in
her misspent youth...)  The vinyl is EMI/Angel Eminence -- buy it if you have
a turntable-- but I can't seem to find a release on disc, and the recording 
was made in 85.  Since CD's are so bloody cheap to manufacture, I'm surprised
that I can't find it, but if anyone can point me in the right direction, I'd 
appreciate it

Peter
bell@minerva.cis.yale.edu


Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: Martin.Thomas@launchpad.unc.edu (Martin Thomas)
Subject: GAIBTY song info
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 10:28:51 GMT

Here's some info on 3 songs off GAIBTY.  First Jim Jones.

I have a version of this song on an LP by John Kirkpatrick & Sue Harris
called, wait for it, "Among the many attractions at the show will be a
really high class band".  The song is performed solo by Kirkpatrick who
accompanies himself on accordion.  The sleeve notes for this song are
interesting, I quote:

  "We owe this Australian convict song to Charles Macalister, a bullock
   driver of New South Wales in the mid 19th century, who quoted it in
   his memoirs.  Pinched from The Original Bushwhackers and Bullockies
   Bush Band while they were in England in 1974.  These traditional words
   were put to a new tune by Mick Slocum, accordionist with the band.
   Another version is on The Great Australian Legend (Topic 12TS203)"

This is the same tune as Bob's so it seems Mick Slocum could be in for
some royalties :-)

I think Bob got one of the words wrong when he sings:
   Take a trip before you ship
          ^^^^
this should really be:
   Take a tip before you ship

Also the word that fools everyone here:

>I don't think it's "flog the person". I have the CD home, and I'll try to
>get it; it sounds more like "the poor ....".

Sorry..

>How about "flog the poison out ..."

No..

>For they'll flog the parsnips out of you

I like it!  Unfortunately it's..

   For they'll flog the poaching out of you

I have 2 versions of Arthur McBride.  One is off an LP called "Prince
Heathen" by Martin Carthy & Dave Swarbrick (Carthy is mentioned on the 
sleeve notes for Freewheelin' & is an old friend of Bob).  Their
version is called "Arthur McBride & the Sergeant" and the tune is
a bit different to Bob's version. Carthys' sleeve notes for this 
song are:

   "I have always assumed this highly subversive song was from East 
    Anglia, but in fact I don't know.  It is probably 18th century
    in origin and I learned it from Redd Sullivan, who sang it with
    great waving of the arms - the folk world's Joe Cocker?"

The other version is by the Irish folk group Planxty off their first
album of the same name.  The tune here is similar to Bob's version.
Sorry, no sleeve notes!

Neither of these versions has anywhere near the number of verses as
Bob's, also there are variations in the words in all 3 versions.

I have a nice version of Canadee-i-o by Nic Jones off his album 
"Penguin Eggs".  The tune and words are the same as on GAIBTY.

Hope this is useful...

Martin.   e-mail 70374.332@CompuServe.Com

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From: cf591@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James M. Esch)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Wallflowers Disc
Date: 17 Nov 1992 17:53:18 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


The Wallflowers ' album is definitely worth listening to, if you like 
straight ahead rock arrangements, including electric guitar, hammond 
organ, and some nice finger picking.  Dylan's son is an excellent
songwriter, in my opinion.  Actually I really love this album.  The influences
are too numerous to name, but one very famous one is obvious.  Dylan fans
won't be disappointed.
-- 
James Esch
cf591@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu
--------------------------------------------------
From: pwssab@mips2.ma30.bull.com (Pws Sablime Login)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Wallflowers Disc
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:32:41 GMT
Organization: Bull HN Informations Systems Inc.


I agree, although I had problems with the end of the CD skipping
throughtout the last three songs and had to return it to the store.
Besides the obvious influence of his father, a lot of the songs
reminded me of The Band and Tom Petty.
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: schurko@news.cc.umanitoba.ca (Robert Schurko)
Subject: Re: what is the title of this song??
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:27:11 GMT

Christopher W. Johnson (johnsocw@craft.camp.clarkson.edu) wrote:
: 	Could someone please tell me what the title of the song with 
: this line in the chorus?   -"Everybody must get stoned."
: 
: I would like to know what albumn(s) it is on.
: 
: thanks,
: 
: Christopher Johnson 
: johnsocw@craft.camp.clarkson.edu
: 
The title I think is Rainy Day Woman #12 and #35.
The album is Blonde On Blonde.

		Great album!

			Regards,
					Rob


Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: sfy@koel.mel.dit.CSIRO.AU (Shane Youl)
Subject: Light Sleeper
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 07:44:59 GMT

The director (producer?) of the film "Light Sleeper" was on the radio
here this morning. While talking about the film, he mentioned that BD
had been commissioned to write the music for the film, but when he was
unable to meet the deadlines, the job was given to someone else. Has
anyone got any info on this?

Shane
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From: steven@oregon.uoregon.edu (Newton, Steve)
Subject: Test
Organization: University of Oregon
Distribution: World
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:23:23 GMT

Sorry.  Just testing.  New to the system.  At least I'm stuck inside of 
Mobile with the Memphis Blues again.
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: datkatz@scott.skidmore.edu (david atkatz)
Subject: Re: The Bootleg Series - questions
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:16:28 GMT


"Jonathan D. Lyness" <jl6e+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

> 5. Is "Walls of Red Wing" based on some institution Dylan knew as a
> child, or had some particular association with?

	As far as I know there is a boys reform school in
	Redwing, Minnesota.  Of course, Dylan was
	never an inmate.
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: Alan Sodoma <ajs@jloda.cci.com>
Subject: Dylan Tribute tree 
Reply-To: ajs@jloda.cci.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:21:56 GMT


Sorry for the delay.  Here's the tree for the Dylan tribute.  It's on
3 90 minute tapes and each group of people is set up according to
what type of Dolby they want.  That should make it easier.

For those who aren't sure how this works:
I'll be making copies for all the people on the far left of this page,
ie. Nick, Mike, Erwin, etc.  Nick will then make copies for Chris, Ted
and Dale.  Mike will make copies for Myungkee, Loren and Don.  And so on.
This way, I only have to make copies for 7 people (2 of which already
have the tapes) and they make copies for 2 or 3 people.

I need all the people who I'm making tapes for, to send me their
regular mail address.  I have until Wed. to get as many of these out
as possible.  On 11/26 I go on vacation and will be out of the
country until 12/5.

Thanks.


Al





Nick Haines		nickh@cmu.edu
	Chris Pelham		chrisp@raphael.acpub.duke.edu
	Ted Reichardt		rei3@kimbark.uchicago.edu
	Dale Shew		ddshew@eos.ncsu.edu

Mike Hackett		hackett@uwo.ca
	Myungkee Sung		sung@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
	Loren Terveen		terveen@research.att.com
	Don Smith		ds2i@andrew.cmu.edu

Erwin Klock		Kloeck@research.nj.nec.com
	Aaron Poehler		apoehler@ucs.indiana.edu
	George Kutty		gk@theta.ece.ucsb.edu
	Kyung-Goo Doh		doh@cis.ksu.edu

Adam K. Powers		akpl@midway.uchicago.edu
	Naggi Asmar		6500nag@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu
	Jeffry Amato		amato@pangea.stanford.edu
	Steve Portigal		stevep@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca

Robert Zeien		terrapin@jessica.stanford.edu
	Linda Kaplan		rainbow@mydland.eng.sun.com
	Jim Brown		jbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

Christoph Lell		lell@wu-wien.ac.at
	Jon Atli Benediktsson	benedikt@rhi.hi.is

Gordon Clarke		BSD_GORDON@seqeb.gov.au
	Michelle Lewis		sslb73@cc.flinders.edu.au
	Kelwyn Osborn		k.osborn@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
	Andre			aj882694@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au



Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: CSMSAXS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (CSMSAXS (Arnie Stodolsky))
Subject: Jesse Dylan
Date: 16 Nov 92 11:21:45 PST

Jesse Dylan is credited for the photography on Tom Waits' latest album.
From: fisher@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu (John Merlin Fisher)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Response for Jennifer Yablonsky
Date: 21 Nov 92 21:56:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Nov21.215618.5756
Organization: University of Oregon Computer and Information Sciences Dept.

>   First of all Ms. Yablonsky nobody gives a rip what you think of Bob
>   Dylan. Secondly, Dylan has been playing music when Bruce was still in
>   diapers sucking his thumb. As far as the music is concerned, Bob is a
>   much better songwriter (and player) with heartfelt and meaningful
>   songs. In my opinion, Bruce is a cheap imitation of Bob (and Dylan
>   even said that in an interview in the early 80's) and his songs hold
>   no deep messages about the world, Jesus, and just everyday life that
>   regular people can relate to. A lot of bruce's songs are so trite (for
>   example, "57 channels and nothing on ...") they just do nothing for
>   me!


I don't normally respond to these type of things, but you sounded like you
meant what you were saying, and what you were saying was so far off from the
truth. I own about a dozen Bruce CDs and about 8-10 Dylan CDs, and I can say
that Bruce has more "heart" in his music than anyone I have ever heard. "57
Channels" as a counterexample is like saying "This Old Man" is a fair
example of Dylan. You need to consider songs like "Racing in the Streets,"
or "Thunder Road," or "Living Proof." I found LOTS of heartful, meaningful
songs that he writes, and not just songs I think are 'neat' but ones that
I get lots of personal benefit from. I like Dylan's poetry, and his music,
but I don't have nearly the same personal attachment. Just because Bruce can
relax and have a little fun, like "57 Channels" or "Hungry Heart" doesn't
mean he doesn't have a whole truckload of well thought out, personal songs
and performances.

John
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: reiners@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: the bootleg cd set...opinions?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:39:56 GMT

In article <1ehkpdINNoip@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> bell-peter@yale.edu (Peter Bell) writes:
>So, I finally broke down and got a cd player.  Since I already have most of 
>the dylan I'll want on vinyl, I was looking over the 3-cd set.  It looks 
>pretty inviting, outtakes from Blood on the Tracks and Desire amongst other
>things.  But then I got to thinking about the quality of the outtakes in-
>cluded on Biograph, most of which are interesting but nothing to write home
>about, in terms of sound, performance or both.  
>
>so, what do people think of that set of discs?  Are there *good reasons* why
>the cuts never made onto the final releases? 
>

It's definitely worth purchasing, especially if you like _Blood on the Tracks_,
like you mentioned.  The tracks from the original New York studio session for 
this album are far superior to the Minneapolis tracks that comprise the _Blood 
on the Tracks_ album.  The New York tracks are harrowing and minimalistic and 
cut to the bone, IMO.  I can see why Bob Dylan would feel uncomfortable about 
them and rerecord them.  He lays his soul bare on his singing on the New York 
tracks that are on _the bootleg series_.  Definitely buy it, if for this reason
alone.



-- 
Paul Reiners
<reiners@iastate.edu>
From: ficara@remus.rutgers.edu (ken ficara)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Jim Jones
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:55:55 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

It's BOTANY Bay, as any map of Australia will tell you.
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: bwb@rigel.econ.uga.edu (Brian Bresnahan)
Subject: neil young
Organization: University of Georgia Economics Department
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:07:55 GMT

hello fellow dylan heads
this is not related to bob but i thought you all might
have some insight

is neil young touring at the present time?
does anyone have the dates and locations?

by the way his new album is great--Harvest Moon
he played a lot of the songs on the album during
his summer tour
i caught the columbia, md--merri-weather post pav

thanks for your help

keep the faith


Newsgroups: rec.music.info