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From: royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Deathlok (Re: Recent stuff)
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:17:43 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <C0Gz75.EE9@news.ucs.mun.ca> cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  ) writes:
>Marvel Implusion will take care of the drek, along with some of these
>other Marvel titles:
>
>Most of the new titles introduced in the last 3 years, specifically
>Cage, Nomad, Silver Sable, Sleepwalker, SHIELD, Terror Inc., etc.
>Some of the Spidey titles, especially one of the reprint titles

Speaking of recent stuff, would Deathlok fit in this category?

I think it is one of the most well done Marvel comics. Check it out! It is 
intelligent (in a relative way to speak) and complex. Of course, it is still
Marvel, but it is worth being checked out, believe me.

Daniel Roy


-- 
Mr. Cole's axiom:
	"The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant;
	 the population is growing."
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: Presidents in comics
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:57:05 GMT


Nixon (and other fun guys like Liddy, Kissinger and Ford) in WATCHMEN.
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From: danl@next01pg2.wam.umd.edu (Neurotic Bob)
Subject: Re: Best Death? (Was Re: Random thoughts on Supes)
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:05:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.114128.13553@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>  
jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore) writes:
> I'd have to say that Cypher's death in NEW MUTANTS was the best for two
> reasons:
> 
> a) It wasn't a noble sacrifice or had any "special meaning". He got  
shot,
> and died. Like that.
> 
> b) It's one of the few Marvel deaths THAT HAS STAYED #@!#$ING PERMANENT!
> 
Yeah, right.  You mean, you actually expect him to STAY dead?  The  
groundwork for his ressurection was laid before he was ever even shot.   
And he has come back, too, in the X-force annual that crossed over with  
the Shattershot storyline.

But, yeah, that death would probably get my vote too, since it showed a  
character running around with basically no protection actually get killed,  
instead of miraculously weaving through bullets, etc.

		--Dan'L
From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Crime SuspensStories #20 GIF 5/4 (sorry)
Date: 11 Jan 1993 18:47:15 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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Peter Faill (faill@gca.com) writes:

[mutli-part GIF deleted]

For Peter, and anyone else considering posting GIF file to this or any other
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These files are immensely long and take up a lot of disk space.  Indeed, they
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If you have a GIF file which you think others would like to see, either offer
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Thanks.  We now return you to your regularly scheduled DeFalco bashing...

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                             |     When we walked into the lobby, there was a
Jim Drew                     | guy there, watching television.  Ron leaned over
jrd@frame.com                | the back of the couch and gave him a quick kiss.
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       |     "Hey, Tam," said Ron.  "What did *you* do
"Innocent, but not naive."   | last night?"
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                             |		- Marc Lynx, "Gaol House Rock"
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From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: All-Time Squiddies?
Keywords: Get Anxious!
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:09:55 GMT

In article <C0MLuu.EAt@athena.cs.uga.edu> jordan@castor (Jet Jaguar) writes:
>Is there or has there ever been a Squiddie awards that isn't limited to
>one year, where we could vote on our favorite issues/series/etc of all
>time?  (And when I say all-time, I of course mean... well, you get the idea.)

The closest was a "Best of the 80s" that Ryan Matthews did in '90 with
the r.a.c. Awards.  Personally, I'm a bit lukewarm towards an all-time
awards for two reasons. First, standards change over time. In some ways,
you pretty much have to say that Action Comics #1 is the greatest comic book
of all time; look at the effect it had. But I doubt it'd get that many
votes as compared to today's comics. And this ties in with nostalgia, and
how different people are nostalgic for different eras, depending on when
they started reading comics.

The other reason is that, as Harlan Ellison once wrote, an informed opinion
is vastly more valuable than an opinion. For the regular Squiddies, it can
be reasonably assumed that people voting are informed as to what came out
last year and are familiar with it (you may disagree with what they like,
but that's another matter entirely). But how many people here really have
a good knowledge of 70s comics? Of 60s? 50s? 40s? There are a fair number,
but not that many relative to the overall voting population. I'm certainly
weak on 50s comics, and weaker on 40s comics than 60s to date.

>Maybe this could even be part of the "alternate" squiddies that tyg is
>doing...

Nope. 1) Ballot's already out and if anything there are too many categories
on it. 2) It doesn't mesh too well with the idea of the Alternative ones
being silly/humor/net oriented. 3) I'm sufficiently lukewarm about the idea
that I don't want to do the work for it.

"I was of an impressionable age when I first saw Racquel Welch in "Fantastic
Voyage", and afterward I could only be aroused by women who wore rubber diving
suits and were covered by foot-long antibodies.  (These days, having your
partner in a rubber suit covered with large antibodies is not a bad idea.)"
  --Steve Connelly
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
From: tal691@huxley.anu.edu.au (Tonio Loewald)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Asterix: American Translations!
Date: 6 Jan 93 02:16:36 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.2.12

panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:

>rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:

>> This is interesting...  I have a real tough time finding Asterix books
>> in San Diego, so I head up to Juneau, a small town in Alaska, and of
>> course one of the local stores has piles of the things.  I had them
>> all already, but I did find something interesting...

>> First, the bad news.  Everyone but Asterix, Obelix, and Dogmatix have
>> new names.  This is to be somewhat expected, as all translations

>Heresy!  Actually, I think they should leave Dogmatix untranslated from 
>the French - "Ideefix" is a hilarious name for a dog.

>> 
>> Vitalstatistix is now Macroeconomix, Getafix is Magigimmix, and
>> Cacopohonix is now Malacoustix.

>Maybe not so heretical.  Those are good names.... well, two out of three 
>are good names.  (Getafix is an incredibly funny name that couldn't be 
>improved on, and Magicimmix is awful.  Just awful.)

What is it with you Americans?  First British TV sitcoms, 
then French film farces, and now Asterix?  What are you going
to copy next?  Japanese comics?

(Whoops, too late!)

>> 


>Namaste,
>Elizabeth
And I'm Widya Santoso
not...

-- 
Tonio Loewald | tal691@huxley.anu.edu.au | Life is short. Be nice.
"You can lie/You can cry/For all the good it'll do you, you can
die/But when it's done/And the police come/And they lay you down
for dead/Just remember what I said" (Paul Simon-not the senator)
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From: naam@cecer.army.mil (Ramez Naam)
Subject: Re: The Truth about Neil (was: Re: Another Gaiman short story)
Organization: US Army Corps of Engineers Construction Engineering Research Labs
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:59:00 GMT

tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:

>mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always) writes:


>>I don't know if this has been said before, but one of his early (pre-comic?)
>>works was a guide to the 'Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy' (the Douglas Adams
>>books) which described their evolution from radio play to book to TV series.

>Didn't he also do _Duran DUran: The Fab Four_?

>If he did, I would understand why he wouldn't admit it....
>I know I heard it someplace tho.....

Yep.  It's why he refuses to talk about his past works in interviews.
--
Ramez Naam
naam@terra.cecer.army.mil
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From: rsholmes@rodan.syr.EDU (Rich Holmes)
Subject: Re: What is ACME??
In-reply-to: stigers@mail.physics.utah.edu's message of Mon, 11 Jan 93 18:23:00 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University
	<1993Jan11.182300.28454@fcom.cc.utah.edu>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 16:30:46 EST

In article <1993Jan11.182300.28454@fcom.cc.utah.edu> stigers@mail.physics.utah.edu (charles stigers) writes:

>    Yes, but where did it come from before then?  Where did WB get the name?

Out of a dictionary, perhaps?

I doubt if there's any connection, but there used to be a chain of
"Acme Supermarkets" in (a region including) the Syracuse area. Gone
now, I guess.

Nor, I suspect, is there any connection to Acme Acoustical Corp., Acme
Metal Products Co., Acme Septic Tank Service Inc., Acme Signs of
Baldwinsville, or Acme Steel Company, all in the current Syracuse
phone book.

--
- Rich Holmes
"Grown men, he told himself, in flat contradiction of centuries of
accumulated evidence about the way grown men behave, do not behave
like this." -- Douglas Adams
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From: royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel)
Subject: Re: Best Death? (Was Re: Random thoughts on Supes)
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:35:15 GMT

In article <11JAN199312452816@udel.edu> jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.145533.18942@cc.umontreal.ca>, royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel) writes...
>> 
>>You're sure? Don't you remember X-Force Annual #1? In there, we get to see 
>>Douglock, wich is probably a guess that he would come back later.
>
>	BZZZZT! Sorry, that occurs in the _future_, and it's already out of sync
>with current continuity. Sunspot was supposed to have joined _after_ X-Force
>took down Gideon, for example. And Cable was supposed to have led the group
>into Longshot's dimension (but he's "dead" now... just like Magneto). I wouldn't
>count that annual as canon yet.
>
Perhaps. But still, it shows us that a resurrection is all but impossible, don't
you think? If they done it, why not do it again?

Daniel Roy


-- 
Mr. Cole's axiom:
	"The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant;
	 the population is growing."
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From: royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel)
Subject: Re: VERTIGO: How much should we buy?
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:06:51 GMT

In article <1ik2alINN6tq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy) writes:
>
>As fans of "well-written" comics, I suppose a strong
> initial buying of Vertigo titles would be a good 
> idea.  The industry is generally skittish about 
> comics for adults, and they need a big push to keep
> going in this direction.
>
>On the other hand, we can't just buy everything with
> a Vertigo imprint, because then they'll start
> throwing any old crap into the line.  So what to buy?
>
>Enigma + Mercy look a bit too pretensious.  Death HCL
> + Sebastian O are safe bets, but they're 3 issues each.
> The Previews of Animal Man + Swamp Thing were just
> superheros + angst.  
>
>Suggestions?

Well, I'd go with the ones you didn't mention, and that look interesting enough.

Sandman Mistery Theater seems to have great art; it IS superhero, I'll greet you
that, but the setting seems refreshing; at least Sandman doesn't wear tights.
This, and Wagner's writing, shall prove interesting enough to warrant attention.

I've read SHADE in the past, but it was right in the end of the American Scream
storyline, and I found it quite silly. I might reconsider reading it if the 
preview is par to the issues to come. Shade's state of mind seems to be to my
taste.

As for Enigma, the series remains just what the title implies. The art seems 
deep and moody, and the character seems odd, to say the least. I'll buy the 
first issue, and decide from there.

Of course, I'll buy Death. That one shall be the greatest title to come from 
the Vertigo line. As for Mercy, I don't know.

As for the rest, including Sebastian O, I think it sucks. Hope I'm wrong.

Daniel Roy,
of the "Voyageurs sans Permis"
 
-- 
Mr. Cole's axiom:
	"The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant;
	 the population is growing."
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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: Re: President at Superman's Funeral
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 06:40:12 GMT

In <C09K2D.BvG@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu> stile@okcforum.osrhe.uoknor.edu (Howard Wilson) writes:

>Therefore, the
>President was NOT at the funeral (I didn't see George anywhere).  

He was there; unfortunately, he had another round of stomach flu and was
ralphing behind a mausoleum in the background.

                    WHAT IF FELLINI HAD DIRECTED _STAR_WARS_?:

                           "Once Luke shows up in the canteen on Tatoinne,
                            instead of going out to save the universe, he
                            would have a series of love affairs with
                            progressively more bizarre aliens, without ever
                            leaving the canteen.  (Except, of course, in
                            baroque fantasy sequences.)  In the end, he would
                            wander out into the desert, mumbling something
                            existential.

                            This is much more entertaining than the Antonioni
                            STAR WARS, in which Luke would have spent the
                            entire film wandering about the desert, mumbling
                            something existential."

                                           -- Peter Reiher
---
                                        Moriarty, aka Jeff Meyer
INTERNET:     moriarty@tc.fluke.COM
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                 **>> Keep circulating the tapes <<**
From: dan@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Bill & Ted's Excellent Comic (was Da Big Slurp)
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:43:00 GMT
	<1993Jan6.005829.13493@news2.cis.umn.edu>
Distribution: na
Organization: /home/fsg/dan/.organization

I think it's worth mentioning that Evan Dorkin doesn't even *like* the
Bill and Ted movies, gets all his Santos references wrong and seems to
believe that perceived hipness = talent.  The fill-in however, by Mike
Kanterovich and Tom Brevoort reflected far more actual interest in the
movies than Evan's version.  It was pretty funny and they got the
Santos references right.

I'm *really* tired of Evan Dorkin.  His new music column (I don't even
know where it appears) with Kyle Baker is typical music fanboy (yes
they exist there too) drivel.  I find his hipper-than-thou attitude
tedious, his tastes boring, his insights shallow and his humor
non-existent.  I thought he had potential when I first saw his stuff,
but it's obvious to me that he's now cartooning at the peak of his
abilities.  Frightening.

- Dan
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From: ckb@athena.mit.edu (Christopher K. Brown)
Subject: Sandman, and such...
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:23:02 GMT

I made a big mistake this weekend.

I had a copy of Preludes and Nocturnes lying around, looking lonely.
I picked it up, and didn't put it down until it was completely read.
This is going to get expensive.  :-)  Not at all what I expected.  I
was quite surprised how intertwined it was with the DC universe.  I had
the impression that it was 'its own thing'.  It was excellent.

Now, my question is, where have all the Annotations been collected?
Are they available by FTP?  I've ignored the postings for so long...
well, now I'm interested.  

Thanks for any help,
Chris

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From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: DC:  Showcase '93
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:47:51 GMT

In article <lis.726153291@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba) writes:
>2)  Blue Devil:  I've never read his book, but if it's as entertaining
>as this story, I'll rescue it from the quarter bin.  This is just

Actually, I've been disappointed in this story as compared to the original
run of BD. Particularly the first 10 issues, this was in a lot of ways
a precursor to the early Giffen/DeMatteis JLI. There was also a wonderful
annual which featured Madame Xanadu, Etrigan, Phantom Stranger, Creeper,
and a batch of other supernatural types. On the other hand, the version
of Cain and the House of Mystery which pops up later on doesn't mesh
that well with the one from Swamp Thing and Sandman.

I do still wish they'd done an issue with a villain named either The
Tar Heel or Rameses or a secret organization called U.N.C.C.H. though;
perfect choices for an archenemy for a character named after Dook's
mascot. Now I suppose I'd have to settle for a crossover with Wolverine
where they play basketball.

>3)  Cyborg:  I used to be a huge Titans fan.  Definitely a past-tense

The best way to describe this story was a "Fuck you" at a reader or
Cyborg fan. The situation the character has been put in is bad enough;
it's not even a change in personality, how well or badly that might be
done, but a total lobotomization of any personality. Compared to the
current Cyborg, the current Vision is a party animal. I've had appliances
with more personality.

Now, there's a way this could be justified. Namely, what affect does
this have on the other characters in the book. However, aside from
a page or three of Gar getting pissed off, the answer is nothing.

Now we come to this 2-part story, the first part of which ends with
Cyborg restored. All that happens in the second part is that this
is yanked away. End result, a story which caused no change in anyone
in it (particularly since the method used to restore him hadn't even
been hinted at previously, so it's not like it was wrapping anything up),
and which gratuitously got the readers' hopes up for no reason. This
story in my mind was worse than Youngblood in that it was done by 
competent writers and featured a previously well-developed character
rather than starting out and ending with blank slate characters.

"But Mom, if you take our cartoons away, we'll grow up without a sense of humor
and become robots!"
"Really? What kind of robots?"  --Lisa and Bart Simpson
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
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From: P0G3000 <P0G3@UNB.CA>
Subject: Comics-L Mailing List Address
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:30:12 GMT

Hello out there!

Could some kind soul please e-mail me with the E-Mail address for
the Comics-L discussion group. I lost one computer account, kept
another, and deleted the address.  Stupid me.

Thank-you very, very much in advance!

Mail me at (preferably) p0g3@csdnov3.unb.ca or p0g3@unb.ca

The second address definately works, I HATE the interface.  So send
mail to the 1st address first, it's on a PC.

Thus sayth the Crazy Kid, Chris G. Galbraith
p0g3@csdnov3.unb.ca
p0g3@unb.ca

He's also using the worst and .sig-less version of RN.
Oh well, life's a b...h

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From: maguire@zappa.jpl.nasa.gov (Kevin Maguire)
Subject: Re: Bill & Ted's Excellent Comic (was Da Big Slurp)
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:35:09 GMT

In article <DAN.93Jan7124300@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu>,
dan@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter) wrote:
> 
> I think it's worth mentioning that Evan Dorkin doesn't even *like* the
> Bill and Ted movies, gets all his Santos references wrong and seems to
> believe that perceived hipness = talent.  The fill-in however, by Mike
> Kanterovich and Tom Brevoort reflected far more actual interest in the
> movies than Evan's version.  It was pretty funny and they got the
> Santos references right.
>
> I'm *really* tired of Evan Dorkin.  His new music column (I don't even
> know where it appears) with Kyle Baker is typical music fanboy (yes
> they exist there too) drivel.  I find his hipper-than-thou attitude
> tedious, his tastes boring, his insights shallow and his humor
> non-existent.  I thought he had potential when I first saw his stuff,
> but it's obvious to me that he's now cartooning at the peak of his
> abilities.  Frightening.
> 

Ah, here's our difference in opinions.  I thought the movies were OK, but
I liked Dorkin's version of Bill & Ted even better.  I acknowledge that 
he perverted the Bill & Ted concept, turning them from heavy-metal fanboys
to alt-rock fanboys, but I like that - that version is much more like 
people I actually know and hang out with, so it's funnier to me than the
original Bill 'n' Ted, who don't remind me of anyone I know personally.
I like his version because he's making fun of MY subculture.

His version let him do jokes like having the Residents play a wedding and
jam with Death - which is really, really funny, but probably not even
recognizable as a joke if you don't know who the Residents are.

I can't comment on whether or not he got the Santos references right, 
since I don't have any idea who or what Santos is.  Help!

I like their _Relfex_ column.  But then, I like the same bands they do
and dislike the same idiots at shows as they do, and their off-the-cuff
comments in that column about their friends ring true with me.  

Whether or not you like Dorkin may be a "you had to be there" type thing.
If he's writing about you and your friends, he's great, but so much of
what I like about him is specific to a subculture that I can easily believe
it's not funny to someone outside that culture.  Chacun a son gout.

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