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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Subject: Re: I'm not buying Superman #75!
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 18:34:13 GMT

In article <mumble> albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:
>In article <mumble> jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim)) writes:

>>Doomsday is supposedly as fast as Wally or faster (so why doesn't he
>>run fast?  I guess we weren't supposed to think of that) so I don't
>>see Wally being of much help.  
>	
>	Well, the JLA issue had D-Day as being fast, but Wally is the 
>fastest man alive, so D-Day shouldn't be able to lay a glove on him.

Ah, but Doomsday isn't a man, so technically he can be be faster than
Wally.  8-)

>	They Boom Tube in.  Scott does similar trickery to D-Day, while
>Barda Boom Tubes him to Apokolips, where Darkseid eats him. ;-)

Would you really want to give Darkseid a tool like Doomsday?  Brrr!

>>IMHO though, all they'd had to have done is call in the JSA; Flash
>>(much faster than Wally), Starman, and GL could certainly been of use.
>
>	I dunno if Jay is faster than Wally.  He can vibrate, but there's
>no evidence that Jay is faster.  Jay used to be able to keep up with 
>Barry, but so could Wally.  Joan Garrick mentioned that Jay felt faster
>when Barrry was around.  If Barry was responcible for Wally being so
>fast, then he probably projected the same effect on Jay.

Well, Jay did run 1800 miles (roundtrip) for a newspaper in a matter
of seconds - I don't think Wally is that fast.  (JSA#1)


-- 
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From: lawrence@ctron.com (Gary S. St. Lawrence)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Get rid of the Legion of Net Heroes.
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:03:23 GMT
Reply-To: lawrence@olympus.ctron.com (Gary S. St. Lawrence)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

One other consideration is that currently, the R.A.C.misc newsgroup is 
the only access to Alt.Comics.LNH available to those who have not yet
been able to subscribe to it. Those of us who can't access A.C.LNH yet
rely on a couple of people who've been on the nets for long months or
years to crosspost our LNH stuff to A.C.LNH from R.A.C.misc.
I agree that the lion's share of this problem can be eliminated if all
LNH posts have "LNH:" included in the subject line and that's whay
I advocate. I have failed to do so in the past, but I will from now on. 
That SHOULD satisfy most of the people complaining about LNH posts
on R.A.C.misc, as they will be able to use a universal kill on anything
headed "LNH."

					My pair of pfennings.
					Saint
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:48:30 EST
From: <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: I'm not buying Superman #75!
 <1egqo1INNkpg@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> <1992Nov20.150948.925@zia.aoc.nrao.edu>
 <1ejlndINN5bn@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>

I think that there is a simple explanation for why Supes dealt with D-day
with a lot of fighting and little rational thought.  The fact is you need
writers with brains to write characters with brains.
This series is so lacking in creative talent that it's sad.  The character of
Superman deserves so much better.  Jerry Ordway and Dan Jurgens were
unexceptional artists that got promoted to abysmal writers.  Louise Simonson
can on occasion produce something tolerable but generally writes amateurish
crap.  Poor Roger Stern is being dragged down by the annual co-plotting
sessions.  His Superman chapters are always the best ones but he is just not
free to pursue his own storylines.  If the Superman comics are going to be
improved at all, they will need a serious house-cleaning of the creative staff.
DC needs talent like they had during the immediate post-crisis period. And they
must *absolutely* drop the weekly plotline garbage for Superman.
                                       -------Eric Sansoni
From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (MikE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,
Subject: Re: LNH:  Introducing...Gestalt Lad!!!
Date: 18 Nov 1992 22:09:23 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Distribution: world
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Okay, I guess my cross-posting experiment didn't work.  :(
					--MikE, aka Gestalt Lad

Remember what I said about a new sig coming?
I lied.

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From: ckc1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CEDRICK KIT CHAN)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Why do people HATE Image?
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:05:32 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

> What are your reasons for hating Image?

    Here's why I hate IMAGE:

    The creative crew at Image are a bunch of undisciplined, unoriginal, big
egoed spoiled brats.  They're making stereo typical superhero stories that are
uninspired and unoriginal.  These books also happen to be selling better than
most books that I like.  As a result some of the classic superhero titles
aren't doing so well (JSA).

    The crew at Image have talent and plenty of style.  Its just not tempered
with any discipline.  They go as wild as they want with their panels
neglecting graphical communications or story telling.

    For me they are dragging the medium of comics down as a whole.  After
going through my adolescents with greats like Moore and Miller, this next
generation of 'ground breking and hot creators' is sorely lacking.

    Its great that these guys can snag the next generation of comic readers,
but in the process of doing so, they seem to be taking away from the quality
of comics as a viable artform and medium as a whole.

> I think it's hard to judge a book with only 2-3 issues out.

    True, but with this crew I don't think there will be much change after 10
issues.  That's the exception of Spawn, vie Gaiman, Moore, Sims & Miller.

-- 

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| You wanted the best;  You got the best! |     Paul Stanley, 1977
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Cedrick  Chan,  a lost demented soul
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From: zonker@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Woman On the Verge)
Subject: Re: Sandman observations, past and present...
Organization: College of Engineering, Northeastern University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:20:26 GMT

But it's not just delerium who has trouble remembering words...  the
lawyer's son stumbles over words a couple of times (i don't have the
issues at hand, but i remember him saying things like "isn't that,
whatchamacallit, ironic" and "it looks like a davinci, um, thing,
cartoon" and a couple of other similar verbal gear-strippings.).  And
i think other characters have had problems expressing themselves.
people seem to be having alot of trouble expressing themselves, at
least in terms of finding a correct word.

Perhaps there is an undercurrent of "inability to communicate" here...
between all the verbal word-server-failures and the bit where dream
can't quite reach out to destruction when he's bemoaning the human
descent into reason and the nuclear age...

--regis
From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Planet of the Glenns)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Death and Superman
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:02:43 GMT
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Nov23.152731.15929@news.nd.edu> mkelly@goya.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes:
> gatsby@wam.umd.edu (Ravindra Pillalamarri) writes:
>
>|> mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always) writes:
>|> 
>|> >The story ends with Superman and Hal going to Hell (Neil didn't say why),
>|> >
>|> 	Why is it that EVERYONE goes to Hell? My gosh.
>
>Actually this isn't true. In an Alan Moore Swamp Thing, Abby tries out some
>of Swampy's psychedelic yams and visits Alec Holland on the outskirts of
>Heaven. There is further evidence in ST under Moore and Veitch that numbers
>of people found there way to places that were not Hell.

True, but you never see one without the other, really.  Anyway, the
"X Goes to Hell" storylines are generally a lot more fun to read :^)
Depending on who's writing up the trip, of course.

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
......................................................................
"For criminal acts, and violence on the stage,
 For being a brat, refusing to act your age,
      You can go to Hell"
  --- Alice
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu
......................................................................
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From: sewon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (WAYNE WONG)
Subject: Re: Comics To Drop
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 16 Nov 1992 18:20 EST  

In article <92317.175118CM26ACCW@MIAMIU.BITNET>, <CM26ACCW@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes...
>The following are the comics I'm dropping and arguments why this comic
>is not worth spending your comic dollar on.  Responses are welcome
> 
>NAMOR
>  I like this comic at the moment but Byrne will be giving up
>the writing chores soon.  Will Jae Lee be leaving as well?
>Who are the people taking over this comic?  Projections?

NOOO!!  Don't do it.  Byrne and Jae Lee's Namor is fantastic.  Bob Harras 
took over the writing as of #33 and Jae is continuing with the art (pencils 
and inks).  The writing was still very enjoyable and the art is getting 
even better with every issue.  The next few issues will deal with war in 
Atlantis.  Stay tuned.

- Wayne.
 =========================================================================
    W     A     Y     N     E     .     A     .     W     O     N     G
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                                                SEWON@LIMS01.LERC.NASA.GOV
From: aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: -I KNOW WHERE GOTHAM CITY IS--
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:36:21 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <92317.142414IBA100@psuvm.psu.edu> IBA100@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
>So, there i am reading the post about most commonly asked questions and i
>come across "Where is Gotham City?"
>the suggestions were:
>I don't know, It's in New Jersey, It's in new York.
>Well, I know where it is, and i can prove it.
>In Batman: The Cult-Book 4, after Decon Blackfire takes over Gotham, about a
>hundred people try to escape.  This made the news, the newscaster says
>something like:  A hundred people try to escape to Jersey over the Abraham
>Lincoln Bridge.
>This Proves it's not in jersey.  There is no bridge named: The Abraham Lincoln
>Bridge, but there is a bridge that connects new york to new jersey called
>The George Washington Bridge.  That's the most famous president's names used.
>anyway, if you cross the George Washington Bridge starting in New jersey,
>you'll be in Gotham City.  Look around at night, maybe you'll see ol' Bats
>swingin' around.
>go ahead, try to prove me wrong!

OK...

According to the Atlas of the DC Universe, Gotham City is RIGHT across the 
river from Metropolis... And Metropolis is RIGHT where NYC should be...

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From: khale@camilla.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Superman (some more stuff) ...
Date: 23 Nov 1992 02:41:32 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: camilla-50

In article <22NOV199220500488@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> sewon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (WAYNE WONG) writes:
>
>The goofy thing is, DC and just about every other comic company is going to 
>use the Doomsday fiasco as an example: let's kill off a major character and 
>get the media to hype it up so we can all get rich.  Who's next on the 
>death list?  I already posted about a month ago that a Marvel editor said 
>Marvel has compiled a death list of over 10 "major" characters who may be 
>killed off this coming year.  

Remember though that there is only one Superman. No marvel character, not
even Spiderman could generate this much media hype. Batman is probably
the only other character who has equal recognition outside the comic
book fans. 


>I'm starting to wonder if DC is really going to profit from Supe's death.  
>If all the Superman related books are "cancelled" for a year until they 
>bring him back, that's a lot of comic book sales that DC will be missing 
>out on.  Not exactly the smart thing to do for a company that is trying to 
>gain a larger chunk of the marketshare.  Sure Doomsday boosted DC's 
>standing for a couple of months, but what about the months after things 
>quiet down?  DC had better plan to hype up Superman's return as much as 
>they did for his death, otherwise all the non-comics people buying #75 are 
>going to forget about this fiasco.


I doubt very much that the books would be cancelled for a year. If DC does
plan to indulge in some remaking of the character, a few months would
be sufficient. Also, consider that Superman #75 sold at least 10 times
as much as a Superman book normally does. I'm sure the profits DC will make on
Superman #75 and the TPB and the other Superman titles and the JL titles
would be far more that they would have made on all the Superman titles in 
a normal year. 

Abhijit
From: shjohnso@plains.NoDak.edu (Shawn Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Superman death issues:A good laugh
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:53:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.BxxDsC.F3M
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


   I was just down to a local shop when i noticed they had all
of Supes death issues behind the counter.  They wanted the following:

 Part 1 (what ever issue)   $8.00
 Part 2	(ditto)		    $10.00
 JLA crossover issue		     $10.00

 plus all of the other ones following suit.  One of the people
working there said they had received over 40 calls by noon.(This is
in Fargo, ND, so a little unusual)  
  Along the same line, i was in this place a week ago, a mother
was purchasing the latest Wolverine comic for her son. She asked
him if he liked the character, the kid ignored her and proceded to
ask the clerk if she thought the comic would be valuable some day.
  Some days you just gotta shake your head in disgust.


-shawn
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From: carlinra@macpost.vanderbilt.edu (Robert A. Carlin)
Subject: Re: Neil Gaiman news (from the Lincoln Park MOONDOG'S)
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Organization: Smart Structures Lab, Vanderbilt Univ.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:07:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.225913.1@fnalo.fnal.gov>, morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Thou
Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbor's Elmo) wrote:

> 	Recent news from Neil:  
> 	Also, the next short story tpb will probably be called "Accounts
> and Reflections" (although Neil said almost all the feedback he's gotten so
> far on the name has been "it's boring".)
> 	Last rumor I heard, the Game of You tpb would be next, followed by
> A&R.

What about calling it "Vanishing Points," in honor of the short story
collection
titles?  (_Distant_ Mirrors and _Convergence_)

Rob

Rob Carlin                      |  "Nothing's so cold
carlinra@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu  |   As closing the heart when all we need
carlinra@macpost.vanderbilt.edu |   Is to free the soul
                                |   But we wouldn't be that brave, I know."
                                |     - "All I Want," by Toad the Wet
Sprocket
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: harmonix@stein.u.washington.edu (Chaz Stevens)
Subject: Siegel's Death of Superman (Was: Re: I'm not buying Superman #75!)
Summary: Where?
Organization: University of Washington, Dept. of Physics/Astronomy
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:11:45 GMT

khale@camilla.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale) said:
>
>Its interesting to compare this storyline to Jerry Siegel's 30 year old death
>of Superman story. Siegel's (imaginary, but then arent they all) story is
>incredibly dark and contains betrayal and tragedy. Its also very moving : it 
>can move one to tears decades after it was written and is so infnitely
>superior to the Doomsday storyline that its painful.
>
>Abhijit

	I've never heard of this Death Story.  When was it published?  What
title?  Is there any way I can get a copy of it for less than a million
dollars?  (Please forgive my ignorance...)
From: jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Wolverine #65: the best yet!
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:41:51 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

>I still find stupid to have Silverfox killed. It is a way for Marvel to avoid
>difficult storylines, IMHO. But still, this issue ranks #1 in Marvel's stables

So you think SF is *dead*, do ya??

Let's examine the facts (as Sgt Friday would almost say):

1)	SF was 'killed' while our heroes were fighting a foe
	noted for creating *illusions* in their minds.

2)	We never actually got to see a body.
f
3)	The body was whisked away by SHIELD (a super-covert)
	organization, who returned a casket whose contents
	have not been examined.

4)	SF had *major* ties to HYDRA, SHIELD's arch-organization.

5)	SHIELD would be very *unhappy* if Wolverine were to
	cuddle up to a *major* HYDRA honcho.

6)	Wolverine would do major *damage* to any SHIELD ops
	who might try to keep him away from SF.

Do these facts support the possiblity that SF is alive and
was spirited away to keep Logan from finding out?
You make the call! (Only time will tell....)

				James Willer
[any opinions above are already registered with the federal government]
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From: hlow@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Handel Low)
Subject: Nick Abadzis on American Grunge
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 18:16:41 EST
From: wbe@bbn.com (Winston Edmond)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The not-so-Fantastic-Four
Date: 23 Nov 92 04:25:39 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman, Inc., Cambridge, MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: crystal.bbn.com
In-reply-to: aelujan@hadron.engin.umich.edu's message of 22 Nov 92 20:35:13 GMT

The JMan Writes:
>Has anyone else REALLY gotten sick of the new Fantastic Four's writing? 

>ESPECIALLY Sue Storm? 

aelujan@hadron.engin.umich.edu (Anthony E Lujan) replies:
#I agree that the artist (Paul Ryan) should have his artist liscense revoked
#for that new Sue outfit. BLECH!  C'mon people!  Sue should be near 40 by now! 
#As an intelligent woman, surely she could come up with some other method of
#expressing her anger and aggression than bad trashy clothes!

It's probably temporary.  It's more like Malice's outfit, and we have to
assume that there's about to be a Malice/Sue struggle for dominance.  This is
probably just an outward manifestation of Malice getting the upper hand in
the struggle at the moment.  The obvious question is whether she asked
Psylocke for design suggestions.  :-)
 -WBE
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Superman: latest Doomsday disappointment
Date: 18 Nov 92 09:45:27
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
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In-reply-to: jsp@uts.amdahl.com's message of 17 Nov 92 22:57:43 GMT

[lamented Supes' death over a psycho]

Actually, this seems appropriately ironic.

After all, all our heroes tend to die saving the universe.  This time,
he dies saving the planet, sure, but from a really stupid menace.
Seems almsot creative.

Anyway, a good example of this (for me) is the death of Earth-2's
Batman.  He fought common thugs all his life and one finally got the
best of him (well, he was imbued with supernatural energy at the time,
but that's besides the point).  And, even though he stopped his own
killer, he wasn't even the main bad guy.

Seems appropriate to me.

--
Peace.
                    "We don't necessarily discriminate.  
                     We simply exclude certain types of people."
                             -Lt Col. Gerald Wellman, ROTC Instructor 
                              at M.I.T., on D.O.D. 1332.14
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From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Doomsday?
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:12:01 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1e3iobINN465@uwm.edu> dray@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Daniel Ray Giese) writes:
>
>     Just thought of something, noting the Spectre this week, hmmm.
>     Wouldn't it be a nice twist if right after Supes dies, the 
>     haunting apparition of the Spectre appears, crying "Justice!"
>     Nah, never happen ... 

Or how about "Innocent blood has been spilled!!!!"

Or maybe not.  (Can't rip off Bloodaxe like that, you know  :)   )

-- 
Brian Perler			bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu
"I wanna decide who lives and who dies"
	-Crow T. Robot, "Santa Claus Conquers the Martians," MST3K
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From: ctatro@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (kristoff)
Subject: Superman: here's what we do...
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:46:31 GMT

DC COMICS MUST BE STOPPED!!

Okay, gang, here's the plan...

It's too late to do anything about the droves and droves of copies of Superman
75 that have been sold (yes, I admit my guilt in this), *but* it's not too late
to do something about his revival.

I am calling on EVERYONE who reads RACM to swear a solemn oath to REFUSE TO BUY
THE RESSURECTION ISSUE!! In fact, force your friends to swear this too. And
convince your local store to only order a normal number of copies. Now, most
will not want to do this, as it will mean profit loss. But maybe SOME will
realize that these things will be in the "Fifty Cent Bargain Bin" before the
year's out (along with Superman 75). Maybe we can even get some media coverage
on this....The press seems rather eager to cover Superman stuff these days.

Come on people, I'm going to need your help on this one. Let's send a message
to DC that you don't dick around with fanatical comics readers and get away
with it.  Let's make this the biggest fiasco in comics publishing history
(bigger than Secret Wars II even!)!!!  If you're going to kill a major
character, at least make it worth our time.

Yours in eternal idealism,
          kristoff
               "Someone's got to do it , don't you see? Someone's got to
                 save the world!"
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