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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: The (updated) Saga of Bobby Knight: A Year-by-Year Chronology
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 10 Jan 93 01:03:20 CST

In article <104186@netnews.upenn.edu> rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec) writes:
[much stuff deleted]

I'm not going to defend Knight (I'll leave that to the IU gang), but I find
it strangely ironic that a post like this came out of Pennsylvannia moments
after IU kicked Penn State's ass in basketball.  I guess we are going to
see new heights in being poor losers with Penn State's admission to the Big
10.

>Various years: Knight's players transfer away in droves to escape
>him; examples include Isaiah Thomas (Detroit), Delray Brooks (Providence),
>Rick Calloway (Kansas), Larry Bird (Indiana State),
>Lawrence Funderburke (OSU), Bob Bender (Duke), and Jay Edwards (?).

Edwards went pro, a very poor decision on his part, and I think he was
drafted by the Sacremento Kings, though I could be wrong.  Larry Bird
transferred before ever playing in a Knight practice (he did not like the
large size of IU), so you can't accuse him of leaving to "escape Knight".
Delray Brooks left on pretty good terms with Knight; he just wanted to play
more that he was going to at IU (ala Malcolm Sims).  Isiah Thomas said at
the time, and he still does, that he always liked Knight (though there were
rocky times), and that his decision to turn pro was solely financial (all
indications were that it was indeed the case).

Perhaps you should get your facts a bit straight before you say these guys
all transferred to "escape Knight".  In Bird's and Thomas's case, it
certainly wasn't true, and it is not clear whether it was the case with
Edwards or Brooks, either.  You pose a pretty bad argument for somebody
from such a highly-regarded academic institution such as Penn.
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Who's almost isn't no. 1 :) Re: Who's Number 2?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 00:04:01 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.124715.648@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
>saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>
>>Hey, is this guy a Boilerweenie or Goober Clueless agent planted by Steve
>>or Goob at Northwestern to embarass IU?  This is good, guys.
>
>Boilerweenie...  Ma, can I go to back to tippacanoe where the sky is blue
>like the cheese in Madisoneaux...
		           ^^^^

C'mon Brian, don't you recognize one of J.J.'s henchmen from the IGK?

>
>				-- Marek
>Die, Badgers.
>(Gentlemen badgers, that is...)
>
>

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Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   There is no such thing as "rock bottom".
University of Washington      *   
Seattle, WA 98195             *
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From: emgarcia@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Memphis State over Vandy
Date: 8 Jan 93 10:40:02 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University



                                    
Memphis State rallied from an 11 point deficit in the second half to defeat
the 18th ranked Vanderbilt Commodores 84-78 at The Pyramid in Memphis Wednesday 
night.

The Tigers were led by All-American candidate Anfernee Hardaway who had his
second straight triple double with 26 points, 12 rebounds and 10 assists along
with 3 steals.

I believe that perhaps Hardaway is the best college player out there.  His
skills are assumed to be unsurpassed by anybody currently playing in the 
college ranks.  For those who haven't seen him in action, you are missing out 
on something special.  Check him out if you can.  The Tigers are at Depaul this
Saturday.  

The game will be televised nationally on WGN at 1:00 Central.

Go Tigers!!Go Tigers!!
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From: lutz@shredder.raleigh.ibm.com (Dave Lutz)
Subject: Re: UNC defeats Maryland
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 18:57:24 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16f by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: dave_lutz@vnet.ibm.com (Dave Lutz)
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

In <1993Jan11.222428.4330@samba.oit.unc.edu> Curt.Hill@launchpad.unc.edu (Curt Hill) writes:
>Turnovers:  UNC - 23, Maryland - 23
>
Did anyone count how many turnovers George Lynch had?  He really made a lot of
bad passes.  His favorite full court pass after a rebound must have been 
intercepted 4 or 5 times!  I noticed after the 4th or 5th time George threw 
the ball the length of the court only to have it picked off, Dean literally 
jumped off the bench and stared George down giving him the "Think" sign 
(finger pointing to his temple).  Dean subbed in about 4 players a minute 
later and George wouldn't look at Dean and was fighting for the seat furthest 
away from Dean.  I guess because of his seniority he got it (unlike Williams 
at the State(?) game)!  

I really like the way the Heels are playing, but they've got to cut down on 
the number of turnovers.  Teams like Duke and Ga. Tech are going to take a lot
more advantage of turnovers than N.C. State and Maryland have.

Any odds on the emotional state of the Yellow Jackets?  I'm hoping they're a 
little drained after getting so pumped for the Duke game.

---
Dave Lutz              

"Gentlemen!  You can't fight in here.  This is the *War* Room!" 
                                    - U.S. President in _Dr. Strangelove_
From: grimlok@hubcap.clemson.edu (Mike Percy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: UNC defeats NC State, and so long all
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:19:45 GMT
Organization: Clemson University

UNC 100, NCSU 67

If you change the shade of blue and the red to orange, I was able to
almost "see" the Duke-Clemson game I only had to suffer through on the
radio.  I certainly can sympathize with NCSU fans.  The only thing that
kept it from being as bad as CU-DUKE (110-67) was the home court and the
crowd.

I feel for State now, tragedy after tragedy, then the ineleigibilty to
add insult to injury.

Any word on Phelps?

This is likely my last posting here for quite some time, as I'm losing
Usenet access by taking a new job.  In time, I'll be back.  Until then:

He shoots, the buzzer, it's..........GOOOOODDDD

Mike Percy             | grimlok@hubcap.clemson.edu  | I don't know about
Sr. Systems Analyst    | mspercy@clemson.clemson.edu | your brain, but mine
Info. Sys. Development | mspercy@clemson.BITNET      | is really...bossy.
Clemson University     | (803) 656-3780              | (Laurie Anderson)
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From: creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Steve Creps)
Subject: Re: UK 81 IU 78
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:58:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan04.144549.9564@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> suffridge@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Rick.Suffridge) writes:
> - Depth is going to be a problem for IU this year.  They really only
>   go 6 deep whereas UK had 10 players getting significant minutes. 
>   The fast pace at the beginning of the game tired the IU starters
>   and prevented them from getting outside to guard UK's 3-pt shooters.
>   Thus UK took the lead on a barrage of wide-open 3's, mostly by Ford
>   Mashburn, and reserve Junior Braddy.  IMHO fatigue was probably also
>   a factor in the Hoosiers poor free-throw shooting.

   IU's roster is only nine, with Pat Graham being injured, and
what's-his-name (I _really have_ forgotten his name) leaving IU.
Wow, that's not even enough to have a scrimmage game!

-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Steve Creps, Indiana University
creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
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From: psm@cs.indiana.edu (Paul S. Miner)
Subject: Re: Who's Number 2?
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
	<79022@hydra.gatech.EDU> <C0CLwz.7Kv@inews.Intel.COM>
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:31:02

In article <C0CLwz.7Kv@inews.Intel.COM> smaher@ismdqa.intel.com (Steve Maher ~) writes:

>AAAARRRRRGGHH!!!!

>Tell me WHY a 2-loss Indiana team is rated above BOTH North Carolina and
>Kansas???  ESPECIALLY since KU beat them out there?  I think Kansas got 
>unfairly hammered by the CNN/USAT poll...

>Steve(JayhawkinSiliconValley)Maher
>...And I don't think it's because I'm biased either...

Probably because the votes were cast prior to the game between Kentucky and
Indiana.
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Biased Fans / Bad Refs
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:22:21 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison

In article <1993Jan7.174041.25020@jmb2.jmb.com> lewism@jmb2.jmb.com (Mike Lewis) writes:
>Brian E. Saunders (saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu) wrote:
>: 
>: Never have I noticed this more than at my days at Purdue (and my return
>: trips to Mackey).  Last Saturday versus Butler, I counted at least 12 times
>: where many of the fans were whining about what my friends and I perceived
>: as good calls.  A few times, a bad call was made in Purdue's favor, and the
>: lot of them thought it was a good call.  I think quite often people see
>: what they want to see.
>
>Well then, I guess it's a good thing you're stuck up in Wisconsin with those
>fair-minded, clear-sighted, basketball-knowledgable Badger fans.

Hah!  They don't boo as much up here, because they know they don't know as
much about basketball! :^)
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: ACC UPDATE - SCHEDULE & STANDINGS (1-11-92)
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:34:03 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) wrote:
}ACC STANDINGS
}
}UNC		2-0
}Duke		1-0
}Ga Tech	2-0
}UVa		2-0
}Duke		1-1
}FSU		1-1
}Wake		0-1
}Clemson	0-1
}NCSU		0-1
}Clemson	0-1
}NCSU		0-2
}Maryland	0-2

Man, this conference expansion stuff is gettin' outta hand!   ;-)

}	Tech will no doubt crack the Top 10 in the Crazed Lunatic poll.

Sure, we have our share of Crazed Lunatics.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
   "My dad's a cotton-pickin', finger-lickin', chicken plucker,
               now what do you think about that?"
From: matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: Re: The Pick (was Re: Georgia Tech over Duke by 1!!)
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:37:54 GMT

rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA) writes:

>Surely there must be something else interesting going on in the world of
>college basketball.

More interesting than Dook Basketball?  Surely you jest!

I notice that more and more of the Duke alums are going on the 
(excellent) defensive about the call.  George Harris is the latest
casualty to get sucked into taking the "Foul!" point of view.

If it's a good enough thread for him, it's good enough for me.

My argument:

If you guys are so naive to think that everything that is technically
a foul according to the rules is a foul, then this is a pointless 
discussion.  Next game you see (especially if you attend, but even on
TV), watch under the basket.  See those screens?  All legal?  Now tell me 
how many fouls are called.

The rules give the officials discretion in making calls.  The ref who 
called the illegal screen did not show much discretion.

My points:
  
  1. It might have been a foul, by the exact by-the-book definition.
  2. It should have been a no-call.
  3. Had it happened under the basket, it would have been a no-call.
  4. Mackey should have known that the refs would probably call it a foul.
  5. He might well have chosen to go out there anyhow - they give you 5 fouls
     in a game for a reason.  Even if he gets a foul, Hurley'll think twice
     about chasing the ball quite so close next time.
  6. Had Mackey *known* he would get a foul, he could have taken Hurley's
     head off (and still have only gotten a "normal" foul).  That, in my
     opinion, is the danger of calling a block.  If the huge guys start to
     think "hell, I'm gonna get a foul call anyhow", then they'll really
     start putting some forearm into it.  Soon, the NCAA will have to
     adapt a new rule, similar to the breakaway undercut rule.
  7. Duke seems to get more of the discretionary calls than most programs.
     This is no surprise, given the style they play and their success and
     (positive) reputation.
--

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: hsong%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Hwal Song)
Subject: Michigan State BB on TV
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:45:00 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Distribution: usa

I heard disappointing conference losses of MSU.
Are they really good enough to be in Top 25?

It seems that MSU BB has not been seen on ABC, NBC, or CBS yet.
Does anyone has TV appearance schedule of MSU this season?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: Virginia under, FSU over.
Organization: Florida State University Department of Know-it-alls
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 21:38:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.171156.18072@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> wcd2z@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (William Camden Daniel) writes:
>Rated that is.  After last night's victory over Florida State,
>I really can't believe that these guys started the season in
>the top 10.  I think that Virginia belongs in the top 25, but
>nothing better than #20.  Right now, I don't think FSU should
>be in the top 25 at all until they prove themselves.  Many
>people have told me that FSU was ranked high because of how
>they were expected to do when Charlie Ward arrived.  Well guess
>what?  He was there last night.  I just don't buy it.  As far
>as I am concerned a team has to win to earn their ranking, and
>thus FSU should be gone from the top 25 until they perform on
>that expected level.  Jeez they sound just like Notre Dame in
>football, when they are ranked for that reason. :)  I had to
>slip that in.
>
>Bill

FSU was ranked in the top ten because they had everyone returning for this 
year. However, we now have two of our players gone for the season (Reid and
Graham--a big scorer) and several others injured or dinged up (Edwards with
the fractured finger...Sura and Carroll with minor dings that have slowed
them down as well.). About Ward, remember, this was his first game back with
the team (only days after the Orange bowl) and he simply is NOT in sinc with
the team yet (or in shape for that matter). His influence should be felt more
after he gets back into the basketball groove. Also, this is sort of like what
happened last year. FSU was mediocre early on in the season (I remember 
myself saying after the USF loss, "These guys are gonna get chewed up in the
ACC") and still managed to finish second in the conference. All of this came
after Ward got back to business (from the Wake game on). This year is a little
different as a result of the injuries, and I don't think FSU will go too far
if they suffer even one more major injury...the depth is all freshmen.

Oh, and comparing FSU to ND...OUCH, that hurt! ;) You don't see me comparing
the Houston Oiler's choke against Buffalo to the UVa choke against Clemson
this year do ya? ;)

FSU has the talent to make it to the sweet sixteen again (though I personally
can't see tham going beyond there...maybe in a few years), but injuries and
absences have prevented FSU from getting into a good offensive chemistry. IF
Kennedy can find a good mix, things will start picking up.

Kevin

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: zgjm03@orl.amoco.com (George J. McMillan)
Subject: Re: Alabama Rolls over LSU
Reply-To: zgjm03@orl.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:32:39 GMT


 I agree with other posting.. there was no rolling involved. Both teams played like
LSU's football team looked the last few years. But as a long time season ticket 
holder we've come to expect Dale to mess up whatever talent he has and play this type
of game 3 or 4 times every season. Had LSU shot its normal poor 40% instead of what
they did they woulda won the game. Hanson has been shooting better as as late and
would have helped a bunch. I'll be real impressed if LSU finishes with a better than
even won-loss record in the SEC, even if every team plays as poorly as Bama did last
night.

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From: markham@brtph597.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: Georgia Tech over Duke by 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: BNR Inc. RTP, NC
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:33:29 GMT

George W. Harris writes:
>Mike Dunnagan writes:
>>
>>Mackey - 6'11"  Hurley - 6' Hurley was croutched down in a defensive
>>posture. It just so happens that this posture made his head level with
>>Mackey's mid section. Did you see Mackey EMPHASIZE the forearm? Did it
>>look CHEAP or like it was malicious and meant to harm. Could you say that
>>you wouldn't brace yourself like he did? 
>
>If it had been malicious and meant to harm, it would have been a fla-
>grant foul and worthy of ejection.  Nobody is claiming that.  He *did* turn
>toward Hurley as Hurley ran into him.  It doesn't matter if this was reflexive
>or not, it's still a foul unless you stand *absolutely* still.

If you have to stand *absolutely* still, then a legal pick has *NEVER*
been set.  Don't blame me, blame physics.  Momentum will cause *SOME*
sort of movement (unless of course Tyrone Bogues is running into Oliver
Miller).

-- 
Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
Bell Northern Research, Inc.
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From: quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy)
Subject: Re: UM-Purdue TV?
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 12:38:13 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1993Jan6.232933.28277@infonode.ingr.com> mjo@beat.b24b.ingr.com (Michael J. Oatley) writes:
>
>
>	I see ESPN is carrying the big Illinois-Northwestern
>	game. Anyone know if the Michigan-Purdue game tomorrow
>	night mught be picked up on satellite?
>
>

Raycom's got it, though maybe not in AL.
 
--
Bryan.Luedy@um.cc.umich.edu
--

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From: rchen@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (chen, richard)
Subject: Re: Kevin Johnson played for...?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:49:00 GMT

>|> 
>|>   Can anyone tell me who the Suns's Kevin Johnson played for in college?
>|> Also, What years did he play there?
>|> 
>|> Please reply to ccocsme@prism.gatech.edu
>|> 
>|> Thanks, Marty
>|> ccocsme@prism.gatech.edu | of them that I fear. -- Isaac Asimov  1920-1992
> 
>Kevin Johnsen played for the Univ. of California (at Berkeley) from 82-86.
> 
I think he played there from '83 to '87.  There were a couple of other decent
players on his team (Chris Washington and Dave Butler), but none made the NBA.
Cal's probably never had a better game plan to break a full court press than to
let Kevin dribble around and between anything thrown at him.  I also used to
pray that the other team would shoot from outside, have a long rebound fall
into KJ's hands, and watch him blow past everybody.  And then there was the time
Pooh Richardson went in on a one-on-two fast break - Washington cut in front to
throw Pooh off his stride, Pooh still went up for the layup, then KJ rejected
it against the glass, came down with the ball, and then took it upcourt the
other way (and subsequently got called for charging).
From: mpollak@oracle.uucp (Maximilian Pollak)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Duke-Tech game
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:06:25 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

I would be extremely surprised if GT won.  Year in and year out, it seems that the Yellow Jackets fall to the Devils.  I can't remember the last time GT beat Duke.  Was it four years ago?
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Purdue Sucks!
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 9 Jan 93 21:37:50 CST

Congradulations to Minnesota for big win.  "Upsets" there are becoming all
too typical, and I wonder why any team other than Minnesota would be
favored in Williams.

Purdue sucks.  I almost expected them to lose to Minnesota, but by 21?
Gene better fix some egoes quick, or this team will slip into a deep, blue
funk.

Wisconsin at Mackey is next for the Boilers.  This should be an easy win,
but how much do you want to bet that it ends up a close game?
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
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From: morgan@ms.uky.edu (Wes Morgan)
Subject: Re: Kentucky over Indiana
    <C0EKyA.J8t@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <C0Fuo7.C90@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:54:01 GMT
Organization: University of Kentucky Engineering Computing Center

mfrwq@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Robert W. Quesal) wrote:
>creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Steve Creps) writes:
>>
>>   Geez, with all the crying about the officiating, you'd think this
>>was Rupp Arena (where there is booing about _every_ call that goes
>>against UK, no matter what it was, or whether the fans booing were
>>actually even watching the play).  If you guys get to gripe, then we
>>get the win.
>
>Gee, this sounds like the fans at Iowa!  Dare we suggest that *most*
>fans tend to view officials' calls through their own "filter" and that
>*most* fans, although they will claim not to be, are *biased*?

Hey, I'm the one who started the thread, and I *specifically* said that
the zebras are lousy all over the court!  8)  I'll be the first one to
chastise UK whenever necessary; all teams (and most fans) need a good
self-administered bloodletting every once in a while......it keeps one
hungry, don't you know.....

Get the box of leeches, Miss Hornwinkle.....

--Wes

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From: clancy@cs.utexas.edu (Daniel J. Clancy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: The (updated) Saga of Bobby Knight: A Year-by-Year Chronology
Date: 10 Jan 1993 21:02:31 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1993Jan10.010320.15981@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:

>>Various years: Knight's players transfer away in droves to escape
>>him; examples include Isaiah Thomas (Detroit), Delray Brooks (Providence),
>>Rick Calloway (Kansas), Larry Bird (Indiana State),
>>Lawrence Funderburke (OSU), Bob Bender (Duke), and Jay Edwards (?).
>
>
>Perhaps you should get your facts a bit straight before you say these guys
>all transferred to "escape Knight".  In Bird's and Thomas's case, it
>certainly wasn't true, and it is not clear whether it was the case with
>Edwards or Brooks, either.  

It also wasn't the case in Bob Bender's case.  I don't remember the exact
reason, but his transfer is talked about in FOrever's Team.  While Knight's style
was tough for Bender, he says that Knight was extremely supportive and in fact
it was Knight that recommended Duke and helped Bender transfer.

I am not a fan of Knight's but it seems like this guy thinks goes quite a bit
overboard.  In one of his points he suggests that Knight is out of line for
suspending players that were at a party with marijuana.  This does not seem
out of line to me.  

Dan Clancy