From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: MEDLINE Biblio on Clitoridectomy
Date: 16 Dec 92 03:20:55 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1471700303@igc.apc.org> jnr@igc.apc.org (Jim Rosenfield) writes:
>
>
>Say, instead, "I think you have....and I want to provoke you with
>a libelous attack in public".  This would be more accurate.

Nope. Just that you are guilty of trespassing....

>Not a frenzy, just a real concern and curiosity about the
>well-being of children forcible mutilated by their well-meaning
>parents.

C'mon, give me a break. The main troubles that afflict african children
are a result of foreign imperialism, and intrusion, eg, mental colonial
ism.

>
>This is a real show of humanity on your part.  I am surprised.
>Then why all of this upset about the my raising of the issue?
>Curious....

Because frankly Jim, it is none of your buisness. If you could accept
that Africans are fed up of foreign intrusion, you would see why we
will solve our own problems...
>
>> She does not feel,  as some might imagine, that it was
>> performed in order to make her feel powerless.
>
>I wish *you* would interview a few African women about this.  I
>think you may be surprised at how few African women appreciate
>having their bodies cut up and their vaginas sewn up.  Are there
>any African women out there who could shed a little light on this
>topic?

There I am telling you about an African woman I knew and talked to. 
The fact that she does not say what you want to hear is not as irre
levant as foreign intrusion into the matter. It is clear that you
are saying what you want to say. What ever the reason, I do not to
enter into a debate on this issue with you.

It seems that you think you know African women better than we do.

>> African culture is devoid of the protracted gender warfare that
>> is prevalent in other cultures.
>White men in America in the 19th century, when asked about slavery
>said "problem, what problem?  Our slaves like being slaves."  Do
>you believe this?  Then I'll believe African women are satisfied
>with their assigned roles.

A) The issue is out of limits for you Mr. Rosenfield. In this coun
try, for want of better occupation, people adopt all sorts of dubi
ous causes such as the spotted owl, the ozone layer, or eating of
chicken. I want you to know Mr. Rfield that we will never let you
make African women your hobby. Never,  please just join the ozone
layer group, or the save the deep sea blue dolphin or whatever org
anisation. But leave African women alone. They don't need you, we
don't need you.

>
>> Men have their responsibilities and women have theirs.
>
>Some African women would say "Yes, African men are responsible for
>laying about and gambling and the women are responsible for
>raising the crops and raising the children.  Such a deal..."

what is your problem? Who made you the moralizer of Africa. You do
not understand what goes on in Africa, please leave us alone. Our
problems are a result of meddling like yours.

And please stop insulting us...

>
>> I ..would be the first to admit that African women do not
>> not have as much power as men....
>
>Yes, I agree.  Do you think the women like it this way?

It is none of your buisness.

>> attempting to blur the natural distinction that exists between
>> them can only lead to a large scale breakdown of the African
>> family.
>> ...Africa can ill afford this.

We don't need you to judge anything. Nothing.

>
>As I said, this is no crusade, but a public, open inquiry into a
>subject some men do not want discussed, and who have resorted to
>name-calling and race-baiting to obscure their discomfort with the
>issue.  Look to your own intellectual integrity.


who appointed you to make this inquiry?

dj>If you have the guts, please say some more about why this practice
>(female mutilation) should not be discussed and about how the
>African women prefer it this way.
>
>Jim :-)



Of course I will always defend Africa. Be assured of that. There is
ABSOLUTELY NO QUESTION about it. As I see it, I have nothing to pro
ve to you. I wrote that clarification for the edification of the
many Africans who read but do not post on this news group. Notice
I posted on s.c.a, not soc.white.southern.carlifornia. I DO NOT
want your king meddling in our affairs. 

You are here feeding your fetishes and living a fantasy, no Jim Rosen
field, Tarzan existed only on a silver screen. If you are trying to
make a reputation as the greatest collector of female African genital
trophy, I want you know that I am dedicated to ensuring your failure.

In one of your postings, you metioned that you are engaged in this exer
cise to inform many people who have interest. Did I not say that this
is an old and well attended club among your people? 

Why Should Jim Rosenfield keep out of our buisness:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

i) Consider their record, in this country the so called feminists 
   are anti-male, anti-family, pro-homosexual militant lesbians.
   Jill Ireland the president of National Organisation of women is
   double dealing lesbian, married to a man  (yes we have to state
   the sex of a "husband " in this country).

ii) The divorce rate is 53% after the first 7 years. Marriage is a 
    disastrous failure in THIS COUNTRY.

iii) As Rosenfield has told you Africans, you do nothing philanderers
     who need him to educate and moralize you. If you don't stand up
     for yourself no one will. Don't let his sweet talk get, they are
     all the same. 

Let him know how you feel.



makala
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