HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bulm2533@hgc.edu (steven bulmer)
Subject: Re: new drugs
Organization: The Hartford Graduate Center
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:14:09 GMT

>>I beleive analogues act mean, some drug invented that has a
>>similar compound to a drug already out lawed. 
>
>That's what "analogues" means, but if the wording was correctly 
>quoted in a previous post on this thread, the act is far broader,
>ridiculously so in fact.  One could apparently violate this act
>by taking aspirin to get high.  

I remember reading an article a while back that this could also
be technically applied to human-produced endorphins, thus making
your brain illegal.



Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez)
Subject: Re: new drugs
Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics, Cambridge, MA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 04:19:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.081952.16120@ecst.csuchico.edu> tyu@ecst.csuchico.edu (    ) writes:
>> I've got four words for you: Controlled Substance Analogues Act.
>> OK here's the scoop: EVERY GODDAMN RECREATIONAL DRUG IS ILLEGAL BEFORE IT
>>IS EVER INVENTED. As of 1986. Sucks doesn't it?  ;-)
>
>What I don't understand is, how does any one know what a rec. drug
>is until someone uses it as such. For example, if I get off taking
>any random chem. for kicks, is it illegal? 

You are allowed to does yourself with drugs you invent as long
as you do it as part of your job, not recreationally.  :-?

>I beleive analogues act mean, some drug invented that has a
>similar compound to a drug already out lawed. 

That's what "analogues" means, but if the wording was correctly 
quoted in a previous post on this thread, the act is far broader,
ridiculously so in fact.  One could apparently violate this act
by taking aspirin to get high.  

Who knows cases in which this act has really been applied?

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: Mike J. Brown <mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Strychnine Re-re-re-revisited
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:15:39 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

I really, REALLY hate to re-hash the old LSD-Strychnine debate, but I've
recently run into someone I consider very trustworthy who gets LSD from
people who make it, and she swears up and down that they do indeed use
strychnine in the process.  She has used four sheets in the last few years
and now has bone marrow deterioration which a doctor attributed to the
strychnine.  I told her I don't buy it, but I'm not entirely sure now,
because  if the people making it do use strychnine, it is conceivable that
problems like she has could occur after regularly ingesting small amounts
of what is essentially poison.  Yes, I've read the LSD FAQ many times.
If anybody has an educated opinion on the matter, I'd like to hear it.

Thanks,

Mike

Mike Brown
mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
"The Universe is a spheroid region 705 meters in diameter."
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: aras@athena.mit.edu
Subject: Re: travels.ps request
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:50:23 GMT


Sounds interesting?  Could someone send it to me too?

Shell
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: Ethereal high.....
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:42:36 GMT

In article <168711EF7.C599143@mizzou1.missouri.edu>, C599143@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Matthew Q Keeler de la Mancha) writes:
>Just curious....  I know that during the ninteenth century, ether was
>used in much the recreational way alcohol is now.  Why did that become
>a tidbit from the past?  Did too many people euthanize themselves?

Diethyl ether is still used.  Hunter S. Thompson gives a brief description
of the experience in _Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas_.  When I saw him speak
a few years ago at Tulane, a girl in the audience invited him home for "an
ether binge."  

He gave the party-line answer of "I do not recommend the use of ether or
other drugs recreationally.  They just happened to work for me."  Hell, I
would've gone with her.  :^)

BTW, ether is (was?) used as an anesthetic.  

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
From: v064lnev@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Avatar)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: ROBOTUSSIN DM (FAQ WANTED)
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:56:00 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hi Folks! 8-)

	Would someone please send me or direct me to a copy of the ROBOTUSSIN
DM FAQ.  Thank you very much...

BAKE A HOOTA! 8-)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Oops! Re: BOOK RECOMMENDATIONS
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:50:43 GMT

In article Azw@wrs.com, gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven) writes:
>{LSD: My Problem Child] is available in the UUNET ftp archives (ftp.uunet.net).

Sorry, that address should read "ftp.uu.net".

>Sorry, don't
>have the exact filename, but it's somewhere under the "doc" directory.

To atone for my sin, I've looked up the name of the file's directory:
it's "/doc/literary/obi/A.Hofmann", and the file is called "probchild.Z".

---
Richard Stueven        gak@wrs.com         attmail!gakhaus!gak        107/H/3&4
          To sight it must ring clear as a bell, it must snap
          in the ear, feel pleasantly sticky between the fingers,
          smell fresh and tempting and taste heavenly.

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ron@cs.tamu.edu (Ron J Theriault)
Subject: Re: Why use drugs anyway?
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Texas A&M University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:25:09 GMT

|> > Ted Vessenes writes:
|> >
|> > Msg-ID: <mtymp06.717804258@staff.tc.umn.edu>
|> > Posted: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:04:1
|> >
|> > Org.  : University of Minnesota
|> >
|> > I'm really curious what reasons you druggies have for using drugs?
|> 
|> > I mean, studdies show that drug users die much sooner than other groups
|> > of people, and whether or not you can get addicted is not even in question.
|> > So why would you want to use drugs?  Email or post back.

So why would anyone want to go hang gliding, or scuba diving?
I'm sure that 'studies' will show that people who engage in those
possibly hazardous pastimes "die much sooner" on average.

Maybe some of us want a little more out of life, than to grow up,
go to work, retire to a condo, and die.

-- 
----------- 10-4 --------------
From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Why use drugs anyway?
Keywords: drugs, delete, legalization
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:46:48 GMT
Distribution: national
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <mtymp06.717804258@staff.tc.umn.edu> mtymp06@staff.tc.umn.edu (Ted Vessenes) writes:
>I'm really curious what reasons you druggies have for using drugs?
>I mean, studdies show that drug users die much sooner than other groups
>of people, and whether or not you can get addicted is not even in question.
>So why would you want to use drugs?  

a life lived more fully in a shorter period of time is better than a
longer, blander life.(IMHO)
   -camper.
.





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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: "Paul Hager" <hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: "The Prisoner and the Politician"
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 11:52:07 -0500

	I want to alert you drugsters out there about an article
in the Oct 5, 1992 issue of _The New Yorker_.  It is written by
Mark Singer and carries the title in the header of this post.  It
is all about the case of Brett Kimberline, the marijuana smuggler
who was convicted of the Speedway bombings and was sentenced to
50 years in federal prison.  Aside from addressing the matter of
Kimberline being a "political prisoner" for being thrown into
detention and held incommunicado to prevent him making embarrassing
accusations about VP candidate Quayles marijuana use, it also
reviews the governments case against him as the bomber.

	This is a must read.  The article makes a very convincing
case that the government didn't have a case and, in essense,
manufactured one.  The most damning evidence against Kimberline
came from witnesses who were hypnotized -- and they were hypnotized
not by trained professionals but by state and local police officers
who were involved in the bombings investigation and had received
their "training" -- so-called -- in weekend seminars!

	I had been inclined to view Kimberline as a viscious
criminal whose credibility about Quayle was suspect.  My opinion
has been changed by this article.  I view Kimberline as much more
credible and, whether or not he was the actual bomber (the article
speculates that it may have been his unbalanced brother who was
later killed under bizarre circumstances), the article makes a
good case that he was railroaded by the prosecution.

-- 
paul hager		hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu

"I would give the Devil benefit of the law for my own safety's sake."
                       --from _A_Man_for_All_Seasons_ by Robert Bolt
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Woodrose seeds (was Re: rosewood seeds)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:17:47 GMT

In article <ringo.718330015@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>, ringo@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Ringo) writes:
>Actually...does anyone out there have an address for someone who
>sells HBWRS? I looove them, and want to pick some more up.

Here's an old article I saved:

=Well I've gotten some mail asking for the addresses of places to get mg seeds
=so I'm posting them.
=
=None of these places specifically state that the seeds are untreated; however,
=given some of the other products these places sell, I would think
=it's a real good bet that the seeds are packaged au natural.
=
=...of the jungle
=P.O. box 1801
=Sebastopol, CA  95473
=$1.50 to $10.00/packet, depending on species.
=
=Horus Botanicals
=HCR 82 Box 29
=Salem, ARK 72576
=$1.00/seed, $2.00/packet or $3.00/packet depending on species.
=
=Magic Garden Herb Co.
=P.O. Box 332
=Fairfax, CA  94930
=Note:  I sent for MGH's catalog a couple weeks ago and haven't received one
=yet.  This address is about 15 years old, but if they've moved or gone out of
=business I probably would have gotten my letter back marked undeliverable by
=now, so I assume they're just real slow.
=
=The following places don't carry MG seeds, but do carry woodrose seeds, which
=contain the same active ingredient (D-lysergic acid amine) and are about 25x
=more potent (in that you only need 4 woodrose seeds vs. 100 Morning Glory
=seeds).
=
=T.A.E.
=1935 S. Plum Grove Rd.
=Suite #348
=Palatine, IL  60067
=(708) 255-4982
=1 oz (~100 seeds): $25
=
=Island Spore Co.
=P.O. box 8055
=Honolulu, Hawaii 96830
=[sample $20, 1 oz $75]
=
=T.A.E. has excellent service, great turnaround.  They'll send you a catalog
=for free if you call 'em.

They sell a few bogus products too, like fake opium and sterile hemp seeds. 
They will send orders COD if you're in a hurry.

=...of the jungle has an incredibly informative (not to mention well done)
=catalog.  Reading it really makes your mouth water :^P'''.  Send 'em a buck if
=you want one.  This place seems genuinely 
=dedicated to preserving the earth.  A quote from their catalog: "The
=extinction spectre seems to be stimulating a calling-out by the more sentient
=plant species toward influence in the lives of humans.  It is in this spirit
=we serve this collection to you.  Listen well for such callings, time is
=short.  The song of the jungle is sometimes a scream..."  They claim some of
=their products are purchased directly from rainforest natives.
=
=Horus's catalog is pretty good.  Again, a bone will get you a copy.
=
=If anyone has any addresses to add to this list, or information concerning any
=of the ones I've posted here, please post it.
=
=happy growing,			"Now I know a refuge never grows
=vince				 From a chin in a hand in a thoughtful pose
=cavasin@convex.com		 Gotta tend the earth if you want a rose."
=					-E. Saliers

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
From: lamontg@carson.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LSD FlashBacks?
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:05:19 GMT
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'

T. Peter Leone <IO20823@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
> Could you elaborate on the physiology of LSD please
>and what are the long term effects of LSD, and are they positive or negative
>because I think that I feel the effects of having used LSD, I think that I have
> become a lot more paranoid since using it and I just wanted to know your opini
>on.  I also find that some people who use LSd do very well in school, and other
>s don't seem to be able to function in our society.  Why is this?

You might consider not using LSD in the future.  The psychological effect of
LSD (its intensity, etc) can induce a schizophrenic break in those who
are already susceptible to schizophrenia.  Increased paranoia could be a
sign that you're having small breaks into schizophrenia, and one thing that
you want to avoid is a trip that sends you into a first full-blown break.
Impossible to diagnose you over the net, but its something you might
consider.

-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "'Tis an ill wind that blows no minds."
                                      -- Principia Discordia
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu (David Hutton)
Subject: Recently.. (bong hits)
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 03:21:40 GMT

I designed a dry-ice bong that is the most powerful device of its caliber
i know of.  Constructed with a fishing rod case (aluminum) it packs a serious
punch.  When you remove the bong from your face (to which the end is shaped
specially) the thickest cloud of pure, freezing cold smoke pours out.

I had an entire full-sized bowl with no* coughing and no* feeling on panic
(approx. 1 gram of weed (!)) and then the fun started.

The airplanes may have been real, but I doubt it.  The fact is - I heard them
soaring over my head like I was at the airport.  I had to sit down to think
about this one.  The high would get more and more intense as time passed
(this is SuperKind weed, 1/2 hit stuff normally (but $150 a quad!)) and after
4 hours it was still* getting more intense.  I was physically alright, but
mentally beyond repair.  I guess I was stupid to smoke so much of a good thing,
but I just wanted to brag about my experience and this new bong which is the
now known as the Iron Feather by my associates.

Anyone else ever had a very* strong experience a la my story?

m
-- 
It is better to light a candle then to curse the darkness....
mtymp15@epx.cis.umn.edu  OR  muffman@tfsquad.mn.org

meow
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: [anonymous] factoid...
Organization: American Math. Society
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:03:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.043646.1995@u.washington.edu> ap.2187@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous) writes:

   [stuff deleted]

   >than picking their noses.  And these types of questions just
   >encourage the first year chemistry d00dz (St. Anthony for one)
   >to flaunt their limited (and often imprecise) knowledge of 
   >chemistry, in an attempt to impress the people who asked.

Aw, gee, I had first year chemistry, and St. Anthony obviously knows
more about chemistry than I ever learned in Chem. 101.  So buzz off.
I *like* St.  Anthony's posts.

 -Alan Harder
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: nanook@eskimo.celestial.com (Robert Dinse)
Subject: Re: legal high
Summary: Morning Glory Seeds
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 03:24:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep18.190029.26478@Cadence.COM>, bruceg@Cadence.COM (Bruce Gustifson) writes:
> In article <Bu6K2z.FoM@wpi.WPI.EDU> giovanni@wpi.WPI.EDU (Giovanni S Capriglione) writes:
> >Was wondering if anyone had a comprehensive list of legal drugs like moring glory, hawaiian primrose, etc.  Also some places which sell them like nature stores, etc....
> >
>   Partial answer, you can buy morning glory seeds from almost anyplace
> that sells flower seeds, because these are very popular flowers. The
> kind you want are Heavenly Blue or Pearly Gates...interesting names, 
> eh? The problem with these seeds are that they are sprayed with anti-
> fungal (sounds like one of my relatives) agents which are not meant
> for human consumption. What to do? I recommend planting the seeds
> and growing your own. It takes a year, but in the meantime, you'll
> get some really pretty flowers! You could try to wash the stuff off,
> but I really do not know what will and what will not work for this
> purpose. BTW, either way these seeds will have a rather dramatic
> effect on your stomach. Good Luck!

     For what it's worth, Chas Lilly Co's Heavenly Blue Morning Glory seed
packages have a warning on them "Not for feed or oil purposes".

     I wrote to ask them why this warning appeared and only on this seed
variety, and I specifically asked if their were any preservatives or other
chemical adulterants.

     I was told that the warning was there because of the popularity of using
the seeds as a hallucinogen.  I was further told that there were no
preservatives or chemical addatives in any of their seeds, and that federal
law required such chemically treated seeds to have a brightly colored coating.

     So, in the US at least, it would appear safe, and at least from this
particular company.  By the way should anybody be interested, there address is:

Chas H. Lilly Co.
7737 N.E. Killingsworth
Portland, Or.  97218

     Now I'll add to that, three packets didn't even provide a mild buzz, nor
did it produce any of the nausea I've heard reports of.

     Something else, around here at least it's difficult to impossible to find
these seeds late in the season.
From: jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: G.I.JOE Does WOD Propaganda Stint
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:47:02 -0500

News Flash ! G.I.Joe joins forces with his arch-nemisis Spectre to fight
against "The Worst Evil" ... drugs !

Yes indeed folks, this advert appeared this weekend as I flipped between
channels. For those who haven't heard, the old-time "G.I.Joe" doll now
has his own adver-toon. He is usually battling assorted fantastic evils
around the globe. HOWEVER, it now seems that he will be applying military
force here at home against the evil of drugs. Hmmm ... I always thought
that the 'worst evil' was ignorance, or dictatorship or torture or 
something. I must have been in error.

So, what we have here is a outrightly fascist rendering of the DARE 
propaganda line, all prettied up as an expensive cartoon and aimed
at the 7-12 year old bracket that doesn't know any better. I wonder
what 'facts' about drugs will be revealed ? I wonder if it's OK to
screw potheads out of their constitutional rights in the name of WOD ?
Stay tuned ... I think it's supposed to start playing next week.

-- Jim
-- Freedom is Risk 
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,connect.audit
From: george@ibmpcug.co.uk (Michael Veltman)
Subject: Re: Heroin
X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this article are those of the author
	alone and may not represent the views of the IBM PC User Group.
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 21:42:12 GMT

>>>> One analog is 7682 times as potent as morphine!
>>>
>>>Are you sure it's not only 7681 times?  (When I read this many
>>>significant figures I tend to think the whole thing is made up.  Could
>>>just be a good chemist who's bad at math.  Or can they really determine
>>>"potency" to one part in 8000?)
Answers:
1.  You cannot determine potency to that accuracy.  
    It would be good going to determine potency to even 5%, as individual variation would be considerable

2. Relative potency of certain narcotics:
    (All doses stated have roughly equal effect)

Pethidine (Meperidine) 100mg
Papavertum              20mg
Morphine                10mg
Heroin/Diacetylmorphine  5mg
Alfentanil             500ug
Fentanyl               100ug
Sufentanyl              10ug


Note that the last three synthetic agents have doses in the microgram (ie
thousandth of a milligram) range.

Variation of potency is approximately 10 000 between the least and most
potent.

It was this marked difference in potency that lead backyard chemists to
try and turn codiene (not listed, not as potent as any of the above but
available in 30mg tablets) into morphine and then heroin, with a consequent
six fold increase in potency (ie., one 30 mg tablet of codiene would 
give six doses of heroin, assuming 100% efficient chemistry).

Yours,

Michael.

(P.S. Its very hard to turn codiene into morphine, and the resultant product
usually is very impure and not terribly safe)


--
From: u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: [anonymous] ibogaine query
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:09:42 GMT
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <1992Sep24.232735.9403@u.washington.edu>, ap.5343@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous) writes:
> 
> 
> Alt.drugs ranges widely, but never have I seen a post of any significant
> information regarding ibogaine.  Any takers?
> 
> //alk
> 
> -- 
> To post anonymously to alt.drugs send a message to ap.4151@cupid.sai.com.
> All lines after a line containing only "--" will be stripped.
> Remember:  These articles are anonymous, but not secure. 

The following comes from Psychedelic Drugs Reconsidered, a reference
I thoroughly recommend. Perhaps this should be in the Natural Highs
FAQ.

Ibogaine:
Chemical structure and source: Resembles the harmala alkaloids. The
Chemical formula is:
(something I can't represent in text. take a tetra-hydro-harmine,
make the 3rd ring symmetrical by adding an extra carbon, to these
two lower carbons fuse a cyclohexane, add a 1 carbon bridge to
this ring from the nitrogen forming two 6-membered rings, and
add an ethyl group on the cyclohexyl ring 2 carbons from the N).

It is one of twelve alkaloids extracted from the root of the
West African plant Tabernanthe iboga. Africans use the root as
a stimulant and an aphrodisiac at low doses, and ritually, at
higher doses.

Dose: from 200 to 400 mg produce psychedelic effects orally.

Physiological effects: Resembles the harmala alkaloids; can
cause paralysis, convulsions, and death at high doses.

Psychological effects: Little is known, but the available reports
suggest that it is like harmaline, but less purely visual and
symbolic. The images are often of fountains, tubes, marshy
creatures, white and blue light, and rotating motion. 
Explosions of rage directed agains the images of persons and
situations from the past are reported. Childhood fantasies
are reenacted, and a sense of insight and heightened emotion
often accompany the images. The drug taker concentrates on his
inner world and personal past. The effect is easily distinguishable
from LSD.

Duration of action: Eight to twelve hours.
For further information see Naranjo 1975 (1973)

... I know no more about this at all, except that I think
someone mentioned to me that it has been isolated recently
from an Australian plant (Australian Phytochemical Survey
would be the place to look).

Jeremy
jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au