From: aras@ms.uky.edu (P. I. Arasu)
Subject: VeRuppu....
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:37:03 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

	Mr.Kathiravan Krishnamurthi quotes in his previous article

>"  They had Periyaar who valiantly stood against 
>all the machinations of the varNa based
>brahmanism and veda based irrational stupidity 
>in the country."

	to which rammohan@usc.edu (Karthikeyan Rammohan) writes:

>	This is positively not a reason.It is because of narrow-minded
>people like you that they hate tamils.The bramins are respected simply

	Tamils in the last few decades have accepted
		Periyar (who originally is from Karnataka),
		Karunanidhi (who says his ancesters came from Andhra)
		MGR (who was from Kerala)
	as their leaders. (I am personally not even remotely
	inspired by MuKa or MGR)
	If anything this is proof of broad mindedness.
	
>because they have come up in life through hard work.This is in hard
	True. No body denies this.

>contrast to what the people whom supposedly Periyar

	There is no need to "suppose" here. Periyar was undeniably
	a positive influence and a mass leader. Just like Martin Luther King.
	My father got an education (he was the first to get a degree
	in his village) inspired by Periyar and I am here (instead of
	wearing a kovanam and carrying a man-vetti (which nobody
	wants to do, given a choice)) thanks to Periyar. 
	Was Periyar a perfect man? No. Neither was Gandhi. Gandhi 
	slept with his young female relatives after he was 70 years
	old. It does not change the fact that he was a Mahatma.

>represents.Everybody knows how the "Thaztta Patta Pirivinar" , as they
>are called get into colleges.These people get into colleges with 35%

	There is hardly any differences between the open quota cut-off
	marks and the backward class cutoff marks. There maybe a 
	significant difference between these two groups and
	the sc/st scores but even sc/st scores need tobe around 60-70%
	to get a seat in an engg college. (Remember that for every 
	seat in a professional college there are 25-30 applicants, so
	nobody "walks-in" as you seem to believe)	

>and all they do is to screw up thw whole damn system.It is not the

	As if the system was picture perfect before the reservation 
	system came into effect. Just compare TN to other states in 
	India today. Things are in many ways screwed up in TN but not 
	any worse than any other average Indian state.

	One of TNs greatest drawbacks is the peoples attraction to
	cine-world. But take the rich and powerful New-Delhi, capital
	of India. The largest two parties of India fielded Sathrugan Sinha
	(BJP) and Rajesh Khanna (CongI) in an election in an highly 
	literate constituencey of New Delhi. Are these two guys anyway
	more intellectual than MGR and RajiniKant?
	Point is that the whole country is screwed up.

>irrational stupidity of the vedas which make people hate tamils, but

	At least you agree there is some stupidity in the vedas. The vedas
	were written by males thousands of years back. It CAN'T be perfect.
	(just like any of the other religions books can't be perfect)
	People hate tamil? No, no... Fact is some brahmins hate tamil.
	(I repeat some some some some some and only some). 
	This dislike has been existing since much before the kazhagams 
	and reservation. 
	( I am willing to bet that all those who claim "people hate
	tamil" are tamil brahmins )

>the stupidity of the dravidians to produce doctors and engineers who
>are not even qualified to enter colleges, that makes people hate
>tamils.
>	It is dravidians like karunanidhi whom people hate, not
>brahmins. It is dravidians like stalin who have been involved in riots
>and arson and not brahmins, which make people hate tamils.

	Is Stalin creating riots outside regions where tamils live?
	The answer is No. The conclusion should be "Tamils (ie the 
	affected people) hate Stalin" and not "people hate tamils".
	Stalin is not exactly my kind of hero but you must admit that
	your logic defies logic!

>	So Mr.Kathirvan Krishnamuthi, think of the facts before you
>blame evry damn problem of the tamils on the Brahmins.

	I don't see you thinking of facts either. Also the free use 
	of "damn" and "hate" shows that you may be close minded. 
	("hate is blinding").  Also you have reinforced my opiniion
	that some (again, only some) tamil brahmins do not consider 
	themselves tamils.

	Blaming every problem of all tamils on some tamils
	(brahmins) would be foolish. I don't see anybody doing that
	either (at least on this net). On the contrary in my
	personal experience I have learnt a lot from my brahmin
	friends and there is a lot that every body can learn from 
	them. I also think that all tamils will benefit by learning from 
	the success of communities like the pillais, nadars, brahmins
	and also the keralites.  (perhaps all of us will call ourselves
	earth citizens someday but till then...)
	-arasu
>rammohan


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