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From: poehland%phvax.dnet@SMITHKLINE.COM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: ATARI CLASSICS CAMPAIGN: LAST WEEK!  (Re-send)
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:11:02 GMT

From:	PHVAX::POEHLAND     10-APR-1992 20:38:17.13
To:	INET::"comp-sys-atari-8bit@ucbvax.berkeley.edu"
CC:	POEHLAND
Subj:	ATARI CLASSICS CAMPAIGN: LAST WEEK!

***************************** ATARI CLASSICS ********************************
**************************** CAMPAIGN UPDATE ********************************

This is the last week of the mail-in campaign effort to get an all-8bit maga-
zine started.  The Campaign officially ends Wednesday, April 15, 1992.

Those of you in the USA or in other countries around the world who have
received a Campaign Information Kit, please make sure you fill out the return
card & drop it in the mail as soon as possible.

Due to a mailing snafu in which a shipment of info-kits went from Pennsylvania
to Jeff Mcwilliams in Michigan via Canada & thus arrived a month late, there
are still about 50-60 kits in our distribution pipeline even at this late date.
Obviously these last kits won't reach their intended addresses until after the
April 15 deadline, but the Campaign Committee encourages you to return the card
anyway.  Although the printing/shipping of kits to Campaign distributors has
ceased, it will still take the Committee a few weeks to tally returns and
prepare a final report.  The report will be released to all public and private
media without restriction, probably around the last week of April or the
beginning of May.  Late returns arriving between the official close of the
Campaign on April 15 and the time the final report of the Campaign Committee
is released, will still be counted and included in the final tally.

So..... RETURN YOUR CARD!!!  You still have time!!!

If by means of this announcement you are just now finding out about the mail-in
campaign and want to participate, sorry it's now too late.  The Campaign has
been operating since January 12, 1992, and the time is upon us to see where
we stand and decide whether an independent 8bit publication is realistically
feasible.

The Campaign Committee welcomed the addition of Dave Blears who has represented
Campaign interests in Australia and distributed info-kits there.  Many thanks
for your efforts, Dave!

I don't have a precise tally of returns, but adding recent international
returns to the last report from Jeff McWilliams puts the figure at just over
400.  We are getting *close*, people!  This is a real nail-biter!

Over the course of the Campaign, a total of 1512 Campaign Information Kits
were printed and shipped to usergroups and distributors, of which all but the
aforementioned 50-60 still in process have been mailed out.  This was a serious
effort.  The work of the Campaign Committee is drawing to a close.

The final outcome now depends on YOU.

     - BEN POEHLAND
       The Alchemist

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From: bl693@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Judith A. Baumgardner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: TOS 1.62 for sale
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:54:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr7.035435.28753
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


I was under the impression that Codehead's TEC board handled TOS
1.62 (as well as 2.06) for ANY old Atari ST (520/1040/f/fm/etc.)

Of course, you have to get a copy of TOS 1.62...


-- 
J.A.Baumgardner
bl693@cleveland.freenet.edu

5000 years until the next ice age!  Shop now to avoid the rush!
From: darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: GEMulator
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:31:13 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

ant@mks.com (Anthony Howe) writes:

> I've seen it!!!!  GEMulator is real.
> 
> I was not at the Toronto show, but he's intent was to show the public that
> at least a 386 in flat-memory mode, could in fact emulate an Atari ST.
> I know not about an STE or TT.  For his demo he used a 33Mhz 486 with 
> 4Mb of memory (I think).  If the response from the show is favourable
> he'll begin taking orders in the near future else he begin work on other
> projects.
 
Nifty!  But does it support MIDI?  Effeciently?  It wouldn't really need to
emulate better than 8MHz ST speed, if it could handle MIDI in/out well.

This would be pretty neat, if possible.  But an ST emulator that can't run
pro MIDI software seems kind of useless, except to DTP folks.  I'm not sure
who else would buy it.

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Distribution: na
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 08:51:56 EST
From: Carlos Varela <EENG6801@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: GEMULATOR (WAS RE: SUDDEN VIEW VS.

I've tested GEMulator on the ACE'92 show. I used my own program
(GER2EN19.LZH) to do the tests. This are the results:

1040 ST, TOS 1.0, 1Mb RAM             2000 words per minute
GEMulator on Windows 3.0 486/33MHz    2050 words per minute
MEGA STE                              N/A (The interrupt routine didn't work)
TT 030, 12MB RAM, TOS 3.05            4900 words per minute

The GEMulator was a beta version and Darek confirmed that the speed will
From: micro@imada.ou.dk (Klaus Pedersen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: GEMULATOR (WAS RE: SUDDEN VIEW VS.
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:48:40 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Math. & Computer Science, Odense University, Denmark

warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison) writes:

>Okay, I've ignored this up until now, but do you REALLY THINK that
>anyone would develop for an EMULATOR?  WHY?  Would you develop for the
>atari 8-bit emulator thing?  You might very well develop for Aladin, or
>something, where the base machine is cheaper than the machine you're
>emulating.  The GEMulator is just for people who want to move away from
>Atari ST's and into the world of MessDOS.  I would say that the
>majority of these people will be end-users, since programming a PC is
>just the biggest DOG you've ever heard of (you spend the whole time
>worrying sbout 64K limits and other irrelevant shit).  But if you want

Darek seem to think that it is cool to program a PC therefor he writes the
following in a hate mail:

From darekm@microsoft.com Fri Apr 10 19:10:23 1992
>[...] You probably don't even program on the PC, because if you did you'd 
>know that I'm telling the truth.

Basically what he says is that I am unhornest because I 'program on the Atari'.

-Klaus
From: boyd@zeta.cs.fsu.edu (Mickey Boyd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Formatting PC-readable disks on older STs
Date: 14 Apr 92 07:41:54 GMT
Reply-To: boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department

In article <RALPH.92Apr3150823@orion.laas.fr>, ralph@laas.fr (Ralph P. Sobek) writes:
>>>>>> Regarding Re: Formatting PC-readable disks on older STs;
>>>>>> boyd@pi.cs.fsu.edu (Mickey Boyd) adds: 
>
>boyd> In article <1992Mar20.225624.2296@lmpsbbs.mot.com>,
>boyd> fergus@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (George Fergus) writes: 
>
>>I know that DC FORMATTER does this, but Double-Click doesn't seem to
>>want to publicize the fact.  Perhaps the only hackers left in the ST
>>world are the ones who hate MS-DOS and refuse to have anything to do
>>with it?  Or they've all upgraded to TOS 1.4 and no longer care...
>
>boyd> I'm not sure what you mean.  My docs for DCFormatter say quite
>boyd> clearly that the button marked "MS-DOS" under the "Bootsector
>boyd> Options" menu means exactly what it says.
>
>BEWARE!!  DC Format (the shareware version) writes a *DEFAULT* MS-DOS
>bootsector forcing tracks to 80 and sectors/track to 9!!
>
>SO WATCH OUT, if your floppy does not have these specs.
>

True.  When formatting disks for the PC, be sure to use 80/9 non-twisted 
format.  I have heard that you can use the DRIVEPRM (or something like 
that) environmental variable in MSDOS to allow reads/writes to twisted 
sector disks (or disks with 82/10 formatting).  I have never explored this.

I always thought DC Formatter was a bit weird in making one do two separate 
things to produce a standard 720k DOS compatible disk (format with 80/9, then
write the bootsector).  This is why I use a small utility dedicated to this 
particular purpose (it only produces 80/9 MSDOS formatted disks).  I use 
either the Neodesk formatter or the one in Universal Item Selector 3 (usually
the latter, it is faster) for formatting my ST disks.  I have also found that 
my drive is perfectly reliable with the 82/10/twisted format (you can 
figure out what your drive limits are using the DCMAXTRAK utility). 

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: dinsmm@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Michael John Dinsmore)
Subject: More help for Uniterm Fonts?
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 05:39:29 GMT

Greetings.

I have been trying to figure out how to use the Uniterm fonts that 
come with the program.  Through some help of other people who have
given me help, I have gotten to this point:
   Set one of the function keys to: %loadfont("a\\:uniterm\\font\\lat808.uft")
This doesn't work however, since the program always cannot open the file. 
Any more suggestions?  I am using Uniterm version 2.0e 015.
Thank you.

Regards,

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From: andi@gmd.de (Andreas Rohrschneider)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Best Vi-Clone?
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:41:09 GMT
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany



Hello world!

I'm looking for a really useable VI-Clone.(No Flames please, I like this editor
and will never change to EMACS. ;-)

I've already tested leevee, ELVIS and such, but none of these could satisfy me
too much. Maybe there is another VI-Fan, who can give me a hint, which clone
is the best at this time.

Thanx in advance.



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GMD - I5.SKS
German National Research Center for Computer Science
Schloss Birlinghoven             phone: (+49 2241) 14-2242
D-5205 Sankt Augustin 1, FRG     email: andi@gmdzi.gmd.de 	  
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From: Mick_Schmidt@hb.maus.de (Mick Schmidt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: FAX Software for Supra or
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 13:54:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.04

JOKHC@CUNYVM.BITNET on Su, 12.04.92 02:02:

>>is there any Software available for the Atari ST to send and recive fax
>>with the new combined V32bis and FAX modems from Zyxel and Supra?
>>Where can I get such software?
>>
>Not yet, but several firms claim to be working on one.  No, I don't remember
>which.

There's a programm called QFAX which is perfectly working with my ZyXEL and it
probably working with Supra too, as it's supporting the Class 2 Command Set.
As QFAX is a german program I don't know if it's available with english docs
(an englisch and a dutch .RSC File are included).

The company that sells QFAX is Computer & Design, Eppendorfer Str.59,
5800 Hagen/Westf. 1, Germany (Fax +49 2331 5 42 03)

G'Day Mick
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From: pete@introl.introl.com (Pete Ikusz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Rumours about new releases....
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:15:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: introl.1992Apr13.231555.30704
Organization: Introl Corp.

In article <1992Apr13.123935.27069@decuk.uvo.dec.com> arendi@loke.soo.dec.com writes:
>
>	3. The new series, no name, will be called home computers
>	     and replace 520 and 1040 but will have a up to 60 MIPS 
>	     performance.

Ummm. 60? Maybe if it's running at 400 MHz. (assuming a 020 @ 20MHz is around
3ish MIPS) They should have it competeing with DEC's Alpha!
-Pete
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From: D.M.Johnson@newcastle.ac.uk (Dave Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Looking for Symbollic linker for GCC......
Date: 10 Apr 92 10:34:35 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

I am looking for sym_ld.ttp (I think thats the name) that gdb needs to produce that
symbol table in order for it to work effectively. Does it exist?


Dave J.

D.M.Johnson@newcastle.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Calamus SL Available ! (?)
From: cosc226@otago.ac.nz (Neil Gardner - Otago, NZ)
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:05:11 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

Hi there guys, I want to get hold of Calamus SL demo. Unfortunately I
am working from a Computer Science account of mine that has a pretty finite
limit (money wise) on it - so I can't FTP it easily.

I'd love it if someone could tell me where I could find a Calamus SL demo
with a mail_server to send it to me.

TNX in advance.

Cheers, Neil Gardner - New Zealand.
"I know what you're thinking - let's do it :-) "

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
From: rosenqui@ncs.dnd.ca (E. Rosenquist)
Subject: Re: Making the screen one line shorter (at the bottom) -- How?
Organization: Sofware Kinetics Limited
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:32:28 GMT

In article <09BViB1w164w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> mforget@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Michel Forget) writes:

> There is a GOOD reason not to use a GEM Window.  The first reason,
> which you mentioned, is that the speed is VERY slow.  Even with
> accellerators, the output can't keep up with more than 2400 baud in
> Stalker.  Without an accellerator it would be hideously slow.

I beg to differ.  Based on my own experience, an unadorned 8MHz TOS
1.0 can keep up with 2400 baud in STalker.  Adding a software screen
accelerator and/or a CPU enhancement can increase this to the point
where 9600 baud screen output is achievable.  I should add however
that the main limitation under VDI is not the text output speed but
the scrolling speed.  You'll fall a bit behind if you get a blast of
LF's in a row, but under more typical situations STalker can keep up.
On a T16-equipped Mega4, according to a small test program I wrote,
the best I could do was around 50 scrolls/second for an average-sized
window.

The one very good reason TO use a GEM window is compatibility.
Sticking to a VDI-only implementation may cost you a little in terms
of speed, but in my humble opinion, you gain much more than that back
in terms of compatibility and ease of use.

> Also, a GEM window takes up space.  Instead of 25 lines (24 with a
> status bar) you would have 23 lines and be forced to put the status
> bar at the top of the screen.

In TT medium-res, Overscan, or any of the 3rd party high-res video
cards there is plenty of room for everything.

> There is also the added joy of having to handle more complex
> redraws.

True, but as they say "no pain, no gain".

> No, a window is not the way to go for me.

Evidently not.  If your main concern is to get something that does the
job on specific systems, then do whatever you like.  I think the
original question though was how to reserve a screen line in a "safe"
manner, and as the ongoing discussion has shown, there are varying
degrees of "safety", the ultimate being a GEM/VDI-based
implementation.

> Subtract 1 from the value contained at $2AB2 and you have a shorter
> screen.  Add 1 when you want to update the status bar.  It was as
> simple as that.  At least for monochrome.  I'll have to try it with
> color as well, since I am not sure if the address applies to all ST
> machines.

Hmmmm, you're already in dangerous territory - the address you mention
is almost certainly not the same across TOS revisions, and could
conceivably change within a TOS version due to a screen accelerator.

Good luck,
Eric Rosenquist
From: chan@pyramid.unr.edu (Kaho Chan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon true color
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:57:20 GMT
Reply-To: chan@pyramid.unr.edu (Kaho Chan)
Followup-To: chan@cs.unr.edu (Kaho Chan)
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno

In article <QdqrsV_00WBLI6ATZG@andrew.cmu.edu> mc4c+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Choi) writes:
>True color is not 8 bit color. It is not 65,000 simultaneous colors. It
>is, and only is 24/32 bit color, out of the same number. The rumors here
>are contradictory, they say true color with 65,000 on screen or
>something, THIS IS NOT TRUECOLOR.
>
>
>mark

Does this mean that VGA graphics on the IBM, with 256 for each RGB register, 
(let's see 256 cubed is about 16.9 million) is not actually true color..
I notice (when messing with my friend's ibm) that when changing the RGB values, the colors change with most of the colors in dithered pattern!  If it's 
dithered, does that mean it's not the true color?  So how many true colors are  there on the VGA IBM?

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From: boblu@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Robert Luneski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: IP address of comp.binaries.atari.st archive
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:40:21 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

Hello,

Will someone please e-mail me the IP address(number) of the archive site for
comp.binaries.atari.st

Thankyou very much,

Bob Luneski
boblu@tekgen.bv.tek.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: odonnj@jec325.its.rpi.edu (James Robert O'Donnell Jr.)
Subject: Can I send e-mail to pay services?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:20:47 GMT

Is it possible to send e-mail from the net (internet, bitnet, whatevernet) to
any of the pay services (GEnie, CompuServe, etc.)? I ask because a good friend
of mine will be going home to Puerto Rico in a couple of months, and we want to
be able to correspond via e-mail. (I guess another question would be if anyone
knows of any place in Puerto Rico from which you can send netmail.) He can get
CompuServe in Puerto Rico (I don't know about GEnie), and I will sign up for it
if necessary, but was wondering if there is a way to send e-mail to someone on
CompuServe, or any of the other pay services.
From: adhir@cygnus.umd.edu (Alok Dhir)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ACE'92 show: Report
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:28:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.045538.1530@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>  
bl692@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Ackerman II) writes:
> 
> Dear Mr. Dhir,
> 
> 	Question how in the He** are you supposed to run Spectre
> without the Spectre Cartridge (or more appropriately the Mac
> Roms it contains)?  Maybe run the pirate file versions of the Mac
> Roms like Darryl Microsofts running a pirate version of TOS?
> 
> Bet Apple would really like to hear that.  Put my name on the list
> of people that say good riddance to bad rubbish, glad to see you
> leave the ST world, Darek.  
> 
> P.S.  I have to deal with an IBM enough at work why would I want
> to drag one of the dam* things into my house.

You have a hell of an annoying attitude.  It is truly unfortunate that  
people like you exist in these threads, it makes it difficult to have an  
adult conversation on the Usenet.

In any case, to answer your question, the Gemulator board that contains  
the TOS Roms actually has two empty sockets for the Mac ROMs.

I have a rather long article on the Gemulator, I'll send it up for you to  
look at sometime later.

Go kick a dog or something.
From: neil@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Forsyth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: F1GP is out
Keywords: F1GP, Geoff
Date: 7 Apr 92 09:08:56 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1992Apr6.082544.23879@cam-orl.co.uk> pe@cam-orl.co.uk
(Philip Elwell) writes:
>Yes, Formula 1 Grand Prix has finally been released for the ST. I haven't seen
>it yet, but my brother has a copy. Apparently it is very similar to the Amiga
>version except:
> ...
>It comes on 4 disks, the first being single-sided so that people with a SS
>internal drive but a DS external drive can use it. It is not obviously hard 
>disk installable, but you can backup the floppies. The box also claims that it
>requires 512Kb RAM, but I can't verify that this is true.

Thanks for the post. I've been considering buying this. I saw it in a shop
the other day but was kind of shocked to see that the label on the Amiga
version boasted hard disk support but the ST one didn't. Mind you it did not
say "Hard disk not supported" like another Microprose ST package.
Copy protection was also a limiting factor. 35 pounds would be quite steep if
you couldn't back it up.

Speaking of HD support, of the seven or so Microprose packages that I looked
at, all of them supported HD's on the Amiga but only two on the ST. These
were Silent Service II and Knights of the Sky. The feature list of Knights of
the Sky said that playing via modem ports was only available on the PC and
Amiga versions. What gives? I see no reason why ST versions can't have HD or
modem support. Paranoia would lead me to believe there was plot here.

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From: v5914ane@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Steven I Gyurindak)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Wanted Atari 520ST
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:28:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I am looking for an Atari St if anyone is selling one please leave me mail.