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From: green@plains.NoDak.edu (Brad Green)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Slick Willy's Peace Movement
Date: 26 Sep 92 23:28:33 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Sep26.000155.25694@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>So what's your point?  Clinton's made no secret of his
>involvement in the Peace Movement -- in fact, like most
>Americans opposed to the War, he's proud of it.  The country
>was split down the middle on the Vietnam War, and to many,
>the draft evaders and deserters were heros who helped shorten
>the war, and the Pentagon was a greater enemy than a nation
>on the other side of the world who wanted their country back.
>BTW, it was perfectly legal and commonplace for Americans, of
>all political persuasions, to travel to the USSR in the 60s.
>And Moscow had and has no monopoly on irresponsible arms-
>trafficking.
>
>It serves no useful purpose to reopen the divisions of the
>Vietnam era for cheap political purposes in 1992.  Americans
>on both sides acted in good faith -- and bad faith.  It was a
>great disaster and we *all* lost.  You're in school, sonny --
>go take a history class and stop embarrassing yourself in
>public.

First of all, Pops, I'm not in school, and it's been one hell of a long
time since anyone called me sonny.  I was in the Air Force from 62-66,
so that qualifies me on two points - first I didn't bother to duck out,
and second, it gives me a good starting point to discuss how people
felt during the Viet Nam war.

And just who do you know that considers a deserter or some one who
took off to Norway a hero?  If there was such a political consensus
about this, Boy Clinton would be bragging about it, instead of trying
to hide from it.  The friends and relatives of the 57,000+ who died
there might have a different opinion of "hero".  And Clinton makes a
big deal out of being a Rhodes Scholar, but what if it was in name only,
and all he did was use it and the money to further his anti-war
protests?  I'm not opening the wounds of the war, I know there were
various opinions about it.  I'm questioning the character of Slick.


Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona)
Subject: Re: Value of Life
Organization: gte
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 18:42:05 GMT

In article <19lsaiINNd6c@agate.berkeley.edu>, martyg@ocf.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero) writes:
> In article <1992Sep21.161808.15296@brtph560.bnr.ca> alex@bnr.ca writes:
> >
> >   I do feel strongly that these are some of the problems which have to
> >   be addressed. I take objection to you statement that I said only
> >   Christians discriminate or that Blacks, Hispanics and Asians can not
> >   be Christians. These are not my statements.
> >
> >   I and my wife, as a couple, are against abortion. We feel it is
> >   our responsibilty, as adults, to the unborn child. I personally
> >   feel that one has to take care not to get into an unwanted pregnancy,
> >   and in our case if the accident happened we would have the child.
> >   But we would never think of imposing our values on the other people.
> 
> You care a lot for those who are "already here."  That is great.  Good work.
> But since you are againsts, abortion, following the same reasoning, why don't
> you care for them too?  Human life is human life, isn't it?
> 
> Is your problem "imposing your values?"  Well, you have concern for people
> "here" and I'm sure you'd have nothing against laws against murder.  But
> you are, indeed, "imposing" your value of the value of human life.  Nothing
> is wrong in caring for human life BORN and UNBORN.
> >
> >   We should value people that are already here.
> 
> 	Sounds like "we should forget about the unborn."
> >
> >   That is the point of my posting.
> 
Well, if you're gonna cry about the unborn, we should outlaw
the pill -- it acts to prevent birth.  We should also outlaw
sterilization of males and females -- it prevents a birth.

Oh, when the sperm and egg meet, then there is life?  Well,
a sperm is alive, so is the egg.  

So where do you draw the line?

The Catholoic church has drawn it at condoms and the pill.

Others at conception and still others at fetal viability.

I believe it is the Hindus who believe that spirit enters
the body at birth (no life until birth).

Given that we have persons of all religous persuasions in
this country, and we have (supposedly) the right to 
freedom of religion, the decision of when abortion
becomes murder belongs in the church and the home,
not the gov't.


-- 
"25 States allow anyone to buy a gun, strap it on, and walk down the street with
no permit of any kind: some say it's crazy.  However, 4 out of 5 US murders are 
committed in the other half of the country: so who is crazy?"   -  Andrew Ford
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: rbw3q@helga9.acc.Virginia.EDU (Robert B. Whitehurst)
Subject: Re: Public Education (Was: Re: Family Leave)
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:42:36 GMT

In article <1afrioINNnuf@bigboote.WPI.EDU> jseaver@yaya.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.133331.2763@news.uiowa.edu> williams@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Kent Williams) writes:
>>Let's get down to cases -- Norfolk Public Schools.  The public schools
>>are for poor people.  Nobody of any means send their kids to public schools.
>>The public schools suck.
>>
>>My parents, good liberals that they were, moved to Norfolk and put two
>>kids (my younger brother and sister) in public school.  Having moved
>>from Iowa, where the public schools are excellent, they thought "how
>>bad can it be?"  They were uncomfortable with the elitist aspects of
>>private school.
>>
>>After two years, they had to bail out and put the kids in private
>>schools.  The schools in Norfolk weren't just not as good as Iowa's,
>>they were a travesty.  There is an de facto two tier system -- one for
>>white people with money, and one for poor people.  And the private
>>schools are accountable to no one except the parents who send their
>>kids.
>>
>>Bush's school choice platform ratifies systems like Norfolk, and moves
>>backwards from the United States historical commitment to universal
>>education.  It is just one more way that Bush wants to divide the
>>country into winners and losers, and to penalize the losers for being
>>born.
>
>	Someone point out the logic in this argument.  As I see it:
>
>	1)  Under the present system, Norfolk's schools don't work.
>	2)  Under the present system, only people with money could send their
>		children to private schools.
>	3)  With School Choice, the "poor" could send their kids to private
>		schools.
>
>		- BUT -
>
>	School Choice is bad, and it shows that Bush would be "punishing"
>people.
>					-Jay
	I think the point is that school "choice" as described by Bush
would hardly allow the poor of Norfolk (and there are poor, no quote
marks needed!) to go to the private academies.  Money, transportation,
and private academy policies would not allow it.  The credits Bush is
talking about would hardly get the kids in the door, not that there is
enough room in the private schools anyway!  I know Norfolk, and
Portsmouth next door.  Esp. w/ the Navy reductions, the systems there
are in a world of hurt, and "choice" isn't going to solve it!

-- 

Brad Whitehurst    |   Aerospace Research Lab
rbw3q@Virginia.EDU |   We like it hot...and fast.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
From: StarOwl@uiuc.edu (StarOwl)
Subject: Re: Comments on Republican Cowardice
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Reply-To: StarOwl@uiuc.edu
Organization: Actuarial Science Program at UIUC
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:20:29 GMT
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content

vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes in response to an article by
sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth):

: You vote extreme right wing Republican, therefore you *are* fascist.

Now, now, let's give him the benefit of the doubt; he might just be
brainwashed.  He might not be fascist because of his own choosing.  ;)

--
Michael Adams (aka StarOwl)	 		"Republicans understand the
Internet:  StarOwl@uiuc.edu			 importance of bondage between
Bitnet:    FREE1217@UIUCVMD			 parent and child."
Anonymous: wi.5467@n7kbt.rain.com			-- Dan Quayle
UUCP:      ...!uiucuxc!uiuc.edu!StarOwl                                    

Marrou/Lord in '92



Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.rush-limbaugh
From: poindexter@hc.ti.com
Subject: Re: Slick Willy's Peace Movement
Organization: TI Computer Science Center, Dallas
	<BvKDFC.Dxu@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
	<1992Oct4.051938.11568@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:06:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.051938.11568@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> a74k110@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (Chris Peterson) writes:

   If I were Clinton I'd shoot anyone that called me "slick willie",
   but then again I don't have the temperment to be a politician.  That term
   is so utterly insulting, 

But so utterly apt.

dex
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From: gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.marrou,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: AIDS crisis
Date: 26 Sep 92 15:34:23 GMT
Organization: mydog in exile

I'm sure glad someone figured out where AIDS came from.  It
wasn't secret biological-warfare experiments in Maryland or
disgusting savages eating raw monkey brains after all.  It
was the political habits of the homosexual electorates of
San Francisco and Chicago, and the seat-belt laws.

jbn@photon.photon.com (Joe Naiman) writes:
| AIDS is not God's way of punishing the homosexuals for their lifestyle.
| 
| It's God's way of punishing the homosexuals for electing people like
| Willie Brown (San Francisco) and John Cullerton (Chicago) to office.
| 
| When Cullerton and Brown introduced mandatory seat belt laws in their
| state legislatures, they claimed that the laws would save lives.  They
| didn't realize that one day more people would die from AIDS than from
| automobile accidents ...
|
| The best thing that could happen to the homosexual community right now
| is that enough of them die of AIDS for the opponents of Willie Brown
| and John Cullerton to win the November elections, erase the big brother
| work of the so-called representatives of the gay community, and
| recognize that Americans have the right to their own business.

I want you to know I'm saving this one.  You don't see 'em
like this every day.

-- 
 )*(    Gordon Fitch    )*(    gcf@panix.com    )*(
( 1238 Blg. Grn. Sta.,  NY NY 10274 * 718.273.5556 )
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: alex
Subject: Re: The essence of Clinton
Organization: bnr
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 20:41:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.045108.20195@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
|> 
|> Something tells me that under Clinton's economic policies there will
|> some unwritten reason that I won't be able to take part in his system of
|> equal opportunity.  Plus I fear that my career plans might be jeopardized
|> under a Clinton presidency.
|> 
|> Simon

Are you planning to be the Secretary of State, or something?
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From: eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Bush's failing health
Date: 30 Sep 92 03:27:02 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.bush
Distribution: usa
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
-jjs@sei.cmu.edu (Jeffrey Stewart) writes:
->     I used to see the occasional "how the presidency ages you" story in the 
->various news magazines, showing "before" and "after" pictures of past 
->presidents.  The change was usually dramatic, even for one-term presidents.  
->The change was always attributed to "the stress of the presidency."
-
-Well, President Reagan's hair looked EXACTLY THE SAME when he left office
-as when he came in.  Though I suppose, Reagan didn't feel that much stress
-during his presidency, what with the soporifics...

Well, I thought Reagan's hair looked a little matted down, especially in
the back of his head upon which one can snooze quite comfortably in an
office chair.
-- 
Emil Thomas Chuck		DUKE BLUE DEVILS: 1992 ACC CHAMPIONS!
Biomedical Engineer 1993	1992 EAST REGIONAL CHAMPIONS!!
Duke University, Durham, NC	AND 1992 NCAA NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!!!
August 31, 1992 - May 16, 1993	Sadomasochist extraordinaire.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
From: fred@sma2.rain.com (Fred Brooks)
Subject: Re: Comrade Clinton
Organization: Guns for Peace
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 04:35:50 GMT

A check of the passport records for Bill Clinton for the 69-70 time period
has revealed that the pages for that period are missing from the state
department records. The FBI is looking into this matter now.
I wonder who has them?

-- 
Defend your 2nd amendment rights. 
NRA ACLU VFW
Fred Brooks   			        Portland Oregon
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion
From: bills@sequent.com (Bill Sears)
Subject: Re: Walking down to the student center last night
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 18:22:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.030602.952@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>
>Why is it that when someone says that they are pro-choice they staunchly
>support abortion and refuse to discuss alternatives??

We don't necessarily support abortion.  We simply believe that a woman should
have the right to choose to have one.

>I think life is a good choice.

Please read what you've written here.  "_I_ think life is a good _choice._"
Good for you.  That's great.  I support you for making a choice.  I'm
being completely sincere.  In fact, I'm sure that all pro-choice people
will support you for making your choice.  Is there anyone here who doesn't
support Simon for making his choice?

Now, please give the rest of us the freedom to do the same thing, CHOOSE!!!!
Perhaps we will choose life too.  Perhaps we won't.  The question is, why
should we have to make the same choice you do?  When you go the a restaurant
with your friends, do you demand that they choose the same thing that you
are having?  That's what choice is - the freedom to select between some
number of alternatives.

>I have one solution, and I'll get nuclear flamed for it, but what is
>wrong with abstinence as a means to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

Abstinence is a great solution for some people.  Unfortunately, how are
you going to enforce it?  Keep your daughter home from the senior prom?
Put a lock on your son's jeans?  It's just not practical.  The real
solution (and the one that, I would guess, most pro-choice advocates
would support) is EDUCATION.  Unfortunately, some people feel it's
easier to legislate morality than to educate people in the consequences.
We don't like something, let's make it illegal.  Let's make it illegal
to drive without your seat belt.  Let's make it illegal to ride a
motorcycle without a helmet.  Let's make it illegal to own a firearm.
The problem is, now you have lots of laws prohibiting things, and lots
of people doing them anyway.  Instead of passing laws prohibiting people
from behaving a certain way, educate them on the consequences of those
activities and the options available to them and let them make their
own choices.  Oops, there's that word again.

  bills
--------
Bill Sears            Sequent Computer Systems            bills@sequent.com

While a transcendant vocabulary is laudable, one must be eternally careful
to ensure that the calculated objective of the communication does not become
ensconsed in obscurity.  Stated simply, it is invariably preferable to 
eschew obfuscation.                                           - Unknown

It isn't pollution that's harming the environment, it's the impurities in
our air and water that are doing it.			- VP Dan Quayle
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: pjm@cshl.org (Pat Monardo)
Subject: Re: Poll Potpourri
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Labs
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:48:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.220452.15743@news.columbia.edu> egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
>In article <BvH668.F12@phage.cshl.org> pjm@cshl.org (Pat Monardo) writes:
>>In article <1agbjqINN27c@overload.lbl.gov> bks@s27w007.pswfs.gov (Bradley K. Sherman) writes:
>>>
>>>Some recent poll results in no particular order:
>>>
>>> Region     Clinton   Bush   Perot    ME     Sample    Dates Polled
>>>+--------+----------+------+-------+------+----------+--------------+
>>>USA            44      39     14      4.5    616 lv     9/23-9/27
>>
>>Pat's desk       1       0      0      0.0      1 lv     10/1
>
>So, what were you doing on your desk when the pollster called? :-)
>

waiting....nothing.  so i polled myself.
-- 
-- Pat Monardo
-- pjm@cshl.org
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From: jdooley@maemaster.eng.uci.edu (John R. Dooley)
Subject: Re: Bush's failing health
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:29:39 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Sep29.191055.1224@Warren.MENTORG.COM> tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.154900.19863@sei.cmu.edu> jjs@sei.cmu.edu (Jeffrey Stewart) writes:
>>More properly, I agree that THEY ALL show wear.  However, I do not find that
>>to be sufficient evidence of failing health.
>
>Forget the comparison to Truman, we should compare him to FDR.  FDR was
>in a wheelchair and hardly anyone knew.  They'd make sure he was in the
>room, behind the podium, before the audience would be let in.  Then
>he'd be the last to leave.  It was easier in those days because a lot
>was dependant on radio, not TV.  Of course, our smoke & mirrors have
>gotten a bit more high-tech now.
>

I don't get the analogy at all.  FDR was in a wheelchair in 1932 when
he was elected.  (He'd had polio in his early 20s.)  I really don't
think his handicap killed him as all twelve years in office he had it.


John D.


Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.kibo,alt.politics.clinton
From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: The Nerve Of That Guy.
Followup-To: alt.politics.kibo
Reply-To: kibo@world.std.com
Organization: Two rooms filled with typography, in downtown Boston
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 09:14:34 GMT

[]
	Bush has some nerve, inviting Clinton and Perot to a debate but
not me.  Well, I'm every bit as real a candidate as Perot, and I'll show
those clowns a thing or two.  A poll recently showed I was running in
first place, and the poll had a 0% margin of error, because it's
impossible to count wrong when you only sample one person.

	VOTE FOR KIBO--because he'd vote for you.

							-- K.

Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: evasquez@dewey.NMSU.Edu 
Subject: Re: Perot to be on CNN 9/28 Larry King 9pm, live from Dallas
Organization: New Mexico State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 11:34:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.115253.12274@fid.morgan.com> joec@fid.morgan.com (Joe  
Collins) writes:
> 
> The NY Times and Dow Jones newswires are carrying a story that
> Ross Perot will be on CNN Monday night at 9pm, broadcasting
> live from Dallas. In addition, rumors say:
> 1-Perot is planning to buy a 1/2 hour ot TV time later next week
> 2-Perot is 'reluctantly' re-entering the race after Bush declined
>   to embrace Perot's economic plan.
> 
> RUN ROSS RUN....
> 
> Joe
> joec@morgan.com
> 
How can you support a person who is so unstable(first he's in...then he's  
out...then he's in)  not to mention his meathod for lowering the deficit,if he  
got his way, would surely kill what is left of our economy.  Cutting spending  
from everything except the absolutly absolutly neccesary, PLUS raising taxes,  
such as the .50 cent tax increase on gasoline, would be suicide.  The man  
realized this and that is why he dropped out in the first place.  But dont  
worry about his plan, because even if he somehow managed to get himself elected  
congress would never put up with such a plan and he would end up sitting in the  
White House for four years doing nothing.
What needs to be done is to first help the economy to regain its strength  
before you go and tax it to hell.  I personally do not agree with everything  
that Bill Clinton has said or done but I feel that his plan to rebuild the  
economy and then to use the increased tax revenue and tapering off of gov.  
spending is the best of the three plans.

-Bush's plan still is to do nothing
-Perot's plan would do something but it would be so severe that it would criple                      
 the economy.
-Clinton's plan is somewhere in the middle.  Not perfect, but a hell of alot
 better than the other two.

Perot supporters MUST remember that this man is not god, or some miracle worker  
that just rode into town with all the answers.  Early on in this campaign he  
said that he could handle the deficit and other leadership problems without  
even breaking a sweat.  He did not have a realistic view of the problem, and  
when he finaly realized what was going on he got scared out of the race.  Now  
his DIE HARD supporters are dragging him back in even though he realizes it is  
futile.
I hope he puts a stop to this before he causes some real damage.

E Vasquez
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: rogers@ial1.jsc.nasa.gov (mister rogers)
Subject: Re: Bob Dornan on Bill Clinton - IMPORTANT
Organization: i represent myself
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:02:05 GMT

In article <burleigh.718386335@ogre>, burleigh@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (Frank Burleigh) writes:
> 
> In <1992Oct5.200442.16488@uunet!tellab5!odgate> mike@uunet!tellab5!odgate (Mike J. Kelly) writes:
> >detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio) writes:
> >>     Rep. Bob Dornan has been speaking on C-Span in the House
> >>live concerning Bill Clinton and his anti-war, anti-Vietnam
> >>protests during his college days.
> 
> >Consider the source.  Dornan is perhaps best known for physically
> >assaulting another member of the House on the House floor by lunging
> >at him and trying to strangle him, an act for which Dornan was officially
> >censured by the House.  He's a right-wing nut who spends his nights looking
> >for communists under his bed -- and everything he says should be taken in
> >that context.

Dornan would better serve on British Parliamant perhaps? :)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Re: Bush's failing health
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:16:26 GMT
Organization: Austerlitz, Gershovitz, and Carmichael

Jeffrey Stewart writes:

>     I used to see the occasional "how the presidency ages you" story in the 
>various news magazines, showing "before" and "after" pictures of past 
>presidents.  The change was usually dramatic, even for one-term presidents.  
>The change was always attributed to "the stress of the presidency."

As someone who has earlier posted about Bush's odd early campaign
appearance, I think I should say that his recent campaign performances
have been on a par with any that I've seen him give:             

 Possibilities:

   1) A spell of depression has lifted
   2) His medication has stabilized
   3) He was sick earlier, but has gotten over it
   4) I can't stand the s****** so much that there was a bad element of
      hoping for the worst for him colouring my perception.

Anyway, Bush has looked good on camera recently, so unless they have
a truly amazing stunt double, I think the health issue is a minor
one. A non-impeachment worthy one, at least.

-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> 
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