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From: clever@turing.toronto.edu (Cathy Cleverley)
Subject: Re: Sun sensitivity (Was Re: Turnout Schedules)
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Distribution: usa
Date: 18 Nov 92 02:52:38 GMT

When I was working for a TB racing stable, we had one mare who was turned out
for the summer who had a white nose.  We put zinc oxide (the kind the
skiiers use) all over her nose.

(I finally have regular net access on an account that can post!!  Thanks
to my wonderful S.O.)

-- 
Cathy Cleverley		clever@turing.toronto.edu  or  clever@sequent.com
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: Karen_Allen@Novell.COM (Karen Allen x 8712)
Subject: Retraining a gated Morgan
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:16:59 GMT

Hi!  I've been reading this group for awhile and wonder if I may tap some of
the vast knowledge out there...
I have a wonderful Morgan Gelding...he's 8 years old, he is wonderful on
trails and with the kids...he is (what my instructor calls) gaited...
I have been taking English/Dressage lessons for about 2 years now and would
like to do some shows...my question is...
  Can my gaited Morgan be retrained at 8 years old to do a diagonal trot? Is
it worth the work he will have to do to learn something he was previously
possibly bred and trained to do?  Is it worth the money I must spend to have
a trainer work with him...with the odds against her?
  Any knowledge or enlightenment would be greatly appreciated...we really
love this horse the way he is...but it would be nice to be able to show as
well.
  Thanks!!

  kallen@novell.com
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: RE: Arabian Knights Dinner Theater
Date: 18 Nov 92 01:13:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: desire.1992Nov17.201357.5671
Organization: Wright State University

In article <92322.144852GMG7@psuvm.psu.edu>, GMG7@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> To the best of my knowledge, the Arabian Knights Dinner Theater is an
> affiliate of Al-Marah.  I believe that the manager is Bazy Tankersley's
> son.
> I've had friends that have gone to a lot of the dinner theaters on the
> East coast and they were highly impressed by the Arabian Knights.
> If I ever get down to Florida I intend to see the show.
>          --Gina

Yes, I checked and Bazy's son DOES run the dinner theatre.  I'd love to
go to see the show, however I am going to Florida for Christmas with my
husband and three sons, all who are not horse people.  Sigh.....

Sue
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jespah@carson.u.washington.edu (Kathleen Hunt)
Subject: Re: Horsey DinnerTheatres, what I saw
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:18:43 GMT

In article <92322.29954.6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>Speaking of Walter Farley and the Black Stallion books, has anyone else
>ever wondered how the heck they got an Arabian Stallion in the Kentucky
>Derby? ;-) Aw, artistic license. Of course, I think Walter was only 17
>when he wrote his first book in the late 30's. Great stuff though!

Well, let's see, the Black Stallion himself was described as being "too
big to be pure Arab" in the book.  Also, not only wasn't he a registered
Thoroughbred, but he didn't have any Arabian papers either since he was
essentially "found" loose in the ocean, and his handlers all drowned.  In
the book they said something like "In a match race, any horse can run 
whether or not they have papers," and *luckily* there just *happened* to
be a match race between "Cyclone from the East and Sun Raider from the West!!"
(I love that phrase!)  It wasn't the Kentucky Derby.  (Though I think the
Black's filly, Black Minx, won the Derby in some later book.  Or was that
Satan, the Black's colt?) ...  Does anyone know if that's true about
match races, or did Farley just make it up for the book?  He certainly
used some weird methods to get his wonderful fictional horses into 
organized horse races.  Remember the book where the Black falls out of an
airplane (without getting hurt!!) somewhere over the Southwest, and ends
up beating the Quarter Horse champion?  And how about that book where
extraterrestrials teleport Flame, the island stallion, to a horse race,
and teleport him right back to his island afterwards.  Crazy.

In the sequels, they finally find out where the Black was really from, and
there were just endless books about his colts and fillies, who seemed to
spend their careers in Thoroughbred flat racing, and even in Standardbred
harness races.  I can't remember if Farley dealt with the breed problem or
not.  Boy, this all brings a smile to my face.  I just loved those books.

Kathleen

-- 
Halfway round the course, up spoke the noble rider:  
 "I fear we must fall back, for she's going like a tiger."
Up spoke the noble horse:  "Ride on, my noble master,
  For we're halfway round the course, and now we'll see who's faster."
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From: mary@cairo.watson.ibm.com (Mary McHugh)
Subject: Re: Black Stallion (was Horsey Dinner Theatres...)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 17:36:06 GMT
Reply-To: mchugh@watson.ibm.com (Mary McHugh)
Organization: IBM TJ Watson Home for Tired Hackers

In article <1egqr4INNkpm@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>,
pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas) writes:

|>  I believe the director was Francis Ford Coppola.  He was feeling down
|> in the dumps about recent lack of success, and his wife talked him
|> into making this little gem of a movie to make him feel better.

Right church, wrong pew.  The story is true, but the movie referred to was
 "Its a Wonderful Life" with Jimmy Stewart.

Mary McHugh
From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Feeding Old Horses
Date: 18 Nov 1992 21:04:18 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu

Does anyone out there have experience with a product called Digestol
or Digest All?  It's supposed to work like Ration Plus, I think, to
help horses digest their feed.  It contains some sort of dietary
enzymes.  Our barn manager recommended I use it on Monty since he's
such a hard keeper.  She dumps 15 lbs of grain a day down him to no
avail.  His teeth have been floated and he gets a vitamin supplement.
I have no control over what he is fed other than to add supplements.

-Sarah Pallas


Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: reichard@nb.rockwell.com (Diane Reichard)
Subject: Re: Scratches (bacterial type, not small cuts)
Organization: Rockwell International
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:34:00 GMT


In article <1992Nov13.223348.3562@colorado.edu>, springer@khonshu.colorado.edu (Jann Springer) writes:
> My Saddlebred has developed what apparently is a case of
> scratches on his three white legs and nose. 
   ....... I shaved his legs (against my better
> judgement since it's almost winter), scrubbed him with Betadine,
> and have been putting Aloe-Heal on the lesions. Since I am
> now convinced that this is bacterial in nature, is there
> something better I can use to combat this? 

When my horse has had scratches (usually the white legs), I've used
a Betadine scrub to wash the area with (let sit for about 10 min.)
and then after the area is totally dry, cover the scratches with
either a Betadine solution or ointment.  This usually clears up the
problem in about 3-4 days.

> Someone suggested a mixture of
> Desitin, Tinactin, and Neosporin. Will this help or just make
> a gooey/dirty mess on his legs? 

I've never used that mix.  I would guess it would work well, but since
you say he's in pasture, you might find it a bit messy.

Diane R.
From: lcasey@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Heaves
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:59:47 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

I lost an awesome QH show gelding to the heaves a fews years back.  I tried
everything to save him and spent and ungodly amount of money to no avail.
This "respond" feed was never recommended by the several vets, including
Ohio State Vet Hospital.  How I wish I had had a chance to try it.

Leigh, sob, still missing Billyrayjoebob.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: meridiem@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jill Engel)
Subject: Re: Black Stallion (was Horsey Dinner Theatres...)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:47:44 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

Diane writes:
<lots of chat about the Black Stallion books>

>I've often wondered if he was still alive. He was magnificent especially
>running free on the beach! Every horse-crazy teen (of any age) would sigh
>over that, I think!

I think The Black Stallion has to be one of the most beautiful movies made.
The director (Carroll Ballard (?), I think, my album is at home)
used to make documentaries and TBS was his first big screen movie.  He has
since done some other really beautiful ones, such as "Never Cry Wolf" and
"Wind" (which I'd like to see since it actually has a female engineer in
it, hooray!)

>>Sheesh...  scary how much I know about those books and movie.  Must have
>>something to do with being a very very horse crazy pre-teen when the movie
>>came out...  (8

>Well, Jill, you obviously are a "little" younger than I am. But let me
>assure you that long before the movie came out, the books were feeding horsey
>dreams to many a young girl and, I suspect though maybe more secretly,
>many a young boy too. I think we need more of these beautiful, reasonably
>gentle, though exciting, stories to give our children some good dreams
>for a change, IMHO! ;-)

Well, I'm 26 if that makes me young.  When did the movie come out?  1980?
1978?  I'd guess late 70s.  The amusing thing is when I started reading the
book when I was 10, my father told me he'd read them too.  He's 58 now, so
he was reading them in the mid-1940s.  So, there's one "boy" reader!  I
wouldn't doubt many boys read the books in the 40s, 50s, and 60s.  Adventure
stories were popular back when people used to read.  Now, we have "GameBoy"
and I see very very few boys riding in lessons.  There's a question, why
do the lower levels of competition and pleasure ownership seem to
be female dominated, yet the Grand Prix levels are even or even male-
dominated?  What's the theory behind this?

>Have you noticed that almost nobody actually picks these books apart?
>Of course, a combination of events like this is pretty well impossible
>but that's what dreams are made of and from dreams, sometimes a kind of
>reality can happen. We finally got our horses, or at least are still
>involved with an interest in horses, aren't we?!

I'm still waiting to own mine.  As soon as I get this Master's degree...
Leasing this summer told me I wanted to dedicate the time and I loved
it enough..  Now, I need to job and the money..  (8

>Take care,
>
>Diane, Spring & Dancer

						Jill (& her cat, Meg)
*  Jill Engel (Anne Meridiem)  * "If the world were a logical place, *
* meridiem@lamar.colostate.edu *  men would ride side-saddle."       *
*                              *                    --Rita Mae Brown *
From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Black Stallion (was Horsey Dinner Theatres...)
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:30:20 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <1992Nov20.173606.24400@watson.ibm.com> mchugh@watson.ibm.com (Mary McHugh) writes:
>
>Right church, wrong pew.  The story is true, but the movie referred to was
> "Its a Wonderful Life" with Jimmy Stewart.


Huh??  Are you saying that Coppola produced It's a Wonderful Life?  I
read the thing about Coppola and the Black Stallion somewhere,
probably in the entertainment section of the Sunday paper many years
ago.  Maybe lots of movie people get down in the dumps!

-Sarah Pallas
From: deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: dressage bits
Date: 19 Nov 1992 01:50:40 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu

In article <1ebf4nINNcc4@rave.larc.nasa.gov> patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov (Patty Howell) writes:
> In same cases, we've progressed, in others we've declined, I think.
> This is really nothing new....for instance, it is clear that by
> de la Gueriniere's time, there were few, if any, riders who knew
> how to "take a horse's balance in hand" *without* collection
> like Newcastle did a century before. 
 
I must say, I'm beginning to gain a great respect for the variety of
approaches I've been exposed to in the LA area!  There was a French
dressage trainer our barn worked with for a while, who was very
big on exercises to help with balance on a long or loose rein,
and I have become very aware of the importance of long & low 
work which is done with a good rhythym and balance.  So, I think
it isn't completely a forgotten art!

However, you can only adjust the balance so far before you automatically
get a change in frame, which, as it progresses, becomes collection.
No?

>  [...] I just said curb. and the reason one hand
>  on the curb is a higher form of horsemanship is because only
>  the very best schooled horses can properly respond to a 
>  single hand alone - the aids become even more subtle with
>  one hand.

Hmmm... I would say that they aids become more subtle in the sense
of being harder (for the horse) to distinguish, but it seems to 
me that a double bridle used with both hands (and four if we
could get 'em :-) ) would be capable of more shades of meaning.

How is a bearing rein used in classical dressage correctly?  How
does its effects differ from the more commonly used rein aids?
 
> [...]Balance can be controlled by the hand alone, while frame cannot.

I think you meant this the other way around!
 
By the way, I'm really enjoying this discussion!

Debbie
deblev@ipac.caltech.edu
From: teresa@astro.as.arizona.edu (Teresa Bippert-Plymate)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horse breakdown potential
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:53:23 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Nov13.214422.27405@convex.com> tonyp@convex.com (honey bunny) writes:
>
>I've been reading this group for the past couple of weeks and
>it seems to me (not knowing ANYTHING about horses) that they
>have about as much trouble as a 70' FIAT.
>
>Tony J. Podrasky |  What's this thing?

AAHHH NO, Not a '70 FIAT! (We had one. Cute as a bug's ear but ALWAYS ran
bad!)

Tony, it REALLY isn't that bad.  People do post here with problems, and no one
ever posts "My horse is eating well and feeling good today".  Just not news-
worthy, I guess.  But here's the stats on the horses I've owned:

	Francois, Morgan gelding.  Came with a big knee, and that's all
	that ever bothered him.  Sold to upgrade to Silvarin.

	Silvarin, QH mare.  She did colic several times, but was always
	sound.  Never for sure found the cause of the colics.  Had to sell
	her when we BOTH were laid off work.

	Rusty, paint colt.  Healthy as a horse.  Never a sick or lame day
	when I had him.  He was a rescue case, and a real bulldog-type
	horse.  Just the opposite type of horse that I wanted.  So I found
	him a good Western home.

	Amber, Appy mare.  Came with wire scars and slight pre-existing
	lameness.  Was manageable.  She was never sick. (Poor college
	student then, bought the less-than-best horses).  Got a job then
	decided to upgrade to Eagle.

	Eagle, Appy gelding.  Never sick or lame. Sold to move.

	Misty, Appy mare.  Never sick or lame.  Sold because she was
	smart and spoiled by her previous owner.  I made good progress,
	but she eventually had to go to a pro trainer after she threw me
	well.

	Leo, QH gelding.  Came with pre-existing lameness (navicular).
	But manageable.  Bought because he was so sweet and well
	trained.  Still have.

	Razzie, Arab mare.  Never sick, pulled a muscle once.  Still have.

	Ari, Andalusian gelding.  Healthy as a horse.  Just got.

SO, if you start with a healthy, sound horse, and manage them well, most
horses stay pretty sound and healthy.  What you use your horse for has a
bearing too, as some horse sports are harder on them than others.  I
believe most horse owners go through minor things now and again, like rock
bruises and bug allegies, but mostly they are minor things.  Believe me,
most horses are MUCH healthier than '70 FIATS!

				Teresa, Leo, Ari, and Razzie

	A
	A
	Misty, Appy mare.  Never sick or lame.

A
A
From: alanmoore@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: horse doesn't like to be groomed
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:47:33 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

> <Insert description of a horse that hates to be groomed here.>

In on of the horse magazines I get, there is an "ask the expert" column where
people write in and ask for help with the problems they are having with their
horses.  90% of the time the guy says "Gee, I don't know.  Have a vet check it
out."  He does this for the darndest stuff and comes up with ideas as to why
the horse might be acting a certain way that I would never think of.  Anyway,
to make a point, I think one of the first things would be to have a vet check
the horse for skin sensitivity or some kind of skin condition.  Does he act up
when he is ridden?  Does he object to being petted or rubbed with a cloth?  He
really acts like he has ultra-sensative skin or something.

> 	What could I do to get this horse to trust me enough to
> groom him, or make the experience more tolerable to him?  I've tried

It could be a psycological (sp) issue, but I kind of doubt it.

Good luck,
Alan
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: rewald@stsci.edu
Subject: Re: help with immature arabian
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:29:09 GMT

In article <1ej3ksINNi2d@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, broberts@bigwpi.WPI.EDU 
                                                       (broberts) writes:
.background deleted
> she needs.. she has picked up a bad habit.. when we are done working
> out and i am taking the bridle off, she clenches her teeth so that the
> bit clanks around in her mouth and this scares her so she starts
> jumping around and usually ends up breaking a piece of tack or a
...
  Maybe you could start out by teaching her to lower her head for you 
whenever you ask.  Once she stops sticking her head up (I assume you can't
reach the crown of the bridle with her head up), take the bridle off by
holding the bit securely with one hand (so it doesn't bump her mouth) , and
reaching up with the other hand to slip the crown over her ears.  DON'T let 
the bit bump around in her mouth - she's probably pretty sensitive, and 
could be why you have this problem.  Also, try not to bang her teeth or gums
when putting the bridle on.
> 
> another thing i was wondering about is, those of you who have arabs..
> how do your horses react to new things.. mine becomes a ball of taught
> muscles and wont relax until at least a few minutes later when she has
> discovered that it wont eat her.. i know its not because she was ever
...more background deleted
  How old is your horse?  Shogun is a kind of fearful arab, or so I thought.
As he gets older, he is getting less afraid.  I do have to have "sessions"
with him, (feed bags, big blue tarps and rustling plastic or paper are his 
big triggers), but he is going longer between de-sensitization sessions.  He
will be 7 in april, and given some other changes, I really think it has to do
with his maturity level.  But you have to be firm - talking in a pleading 
tone of voice seems to reinforce the idea that he should be scared of something.
I sometimes have to growl a "walk up", and after once or twice, he is usually
willing to ignore whatever was giving him a problem.
   You might also be promoting the problem by your tension.  Sometimes, if
I anticipate a shy, I tense myself so I won't fall off.  My horse feels the 
tension, and says to himself "uh-oh, there's danger", and rewards me with
a shy!  Not the kind of training I meant to do!  If I strengthen my aids
to send him forward, he says "uh-oh, no fooling around", and goes past the 
monster (He might scoot past the first time or so, but since he's going
forward, he has a harder time shying.)
> 
> thanks for any reply.
> -jen
I hope some of this helps!
Rosalie & Shogun
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: meridiem@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jill Engel)
Subject: Re: Black Stallion (was Horsey Dinner Theatres...)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 07:03:55 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

Sarah Pallas writes:
>>I think The Black Stallion has to be one of the most beautiful movies made.
>>The director (Carroll Ballard (?), I think, my album is at home)
> I believe the director was Francis Ford Coppola.  He was feeling down
>in the dumps about recent lack of success, and his wife talked him
>into making this little gem of a movie to make him feel better.

I finally looked it up, for anyone interested in this kinda of trivia.
	Carroll Ballard, Director
	Francis Coppola, Executive Producer
	Carmine Coppola, Music (Composed and Conducted)
	Copyright, MCMLXXX (1980?)
(I love the music too, wish it would come out on cd...)

I like the story that he was depressed and mde this movie to cheer himself
up...  Works for me!

(refrains from lapsing into a discussion of grad students and faculty
who are female...  8(    )


						      Jill




*  Jill Engel (Anne Meridiem)  * "If the world were a logical place, *
* meridiem@lamar.colostate.edu *  men would ride side-saddle."       *
*                              *                    --Rita Mae Brown * 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jpenovic@encore.com (Jan Penovich)
Subject: Re: Shoeing, Blacksmith Questions...
Reply-To: jpenovic@encore.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:09:09 GMT

In article <Bxu3KJ.810@wrs.com>, jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart) writes:
> In article <BxM89y.FMr@encore.com> jpenovic@1.com writes:
> >
> >    to be one, but the correct word is farrier.  (I'm a tech.
> >    writer, and I have  this thing about words. :-) )
> >
> >    Ferrier sounds like someone who's name should be Toto.  :-)
>                                  ^^^^^
> 
> 
> Very witty, Jan! (I assume you slipped that little error in as a bit of
> dry humor... which apparently only another tech. writer would notice!)
> 
> Speaking as another tech writer... I believe it's SO important to be
> careful about who's correcting whose spelling!
>               *****            *****
> 

   Your right. Just my wacky cents of umour.  But it took
   another tech writer two figure it out.  :-)

   Actually, a momentary lapse in the proofreading compartment
   of my brain.

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From: buckaroo@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Mikey Moran)
Subject: Re: Shoeing, Blacksmith Questions...
Organization: Quake Public Access, San Fernando Valley, CA (818)362-6092
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:32:59 GMT

The blacksmith is more skilled at working iron and doing forge work.  Sometimes
the blacksmith only works with metal and does not work on horses.  The farrier
(a term held over from when the individual did horseshoeing and vet work)

The farrier should be good at forge work for making/modifing shoes.  I shoe
my own horses and prefer a mixture -- cold shape a premade shoe, but hot
fit the shoe.  
Best Regards,
Mikey
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