From: ak45ldp@Texaco.com (Larry D. Pyeatt)
Newsgroups: houston.general,tx.general,tx.politics
Subject: Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:23:07 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Texaco

In article <exuptr.437.715038818@exu.ericsson.se>, exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (exuptr@exu.ericsson.se) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug27.142703.24045@texhrc.uucp> ak45ldp@Texaco.com (Larry D. Pyeatt) writes:
|> >From: ak45ldp@Texaco.com (Larry D. Pyeatt)
|> >Subject: Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you
|> >Date: 27 Aug 92 14:27:03 GMT
|> 
|> >In article <21408@rpp386.lonestar.org>, jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
|> >|> In article <BtJt8v.G3K@rice.edu> gamble@owlnet.rice.edu (Ben Gamble) writes:
|> >|> >That's okay, you wouldn't have seen the violence on the news anyway.
|> >|> >It turns out that the only way to get the straight story is to go to
|> >|> >the victims/eyewitnesses, who describe attackers:
|> >|> >
|> >|> >- headbutting defenders
|> >|> >- stomping feet (this resulted in at least one broken toe last week)
|> >|> >- charging lines at points of joined hands in attempt to break through
|> >|> >- using usual assortment of kicks, elbows, etc., in the press of the
|> >|> >  crowd
|> >|> >- strapping a woman with cerebral palsy into a wheelchair and using
|> >|> >  her as a battering ram (these people are SICK, folks) (actually the
|> >|> >  woman was shown on channel 13, being nobly carried by an able-bodied
|> >|> >  ally, but the wheelchair tactic was not)
|> >|> 
|> >|> It is very unlikely that what you are saying is true.  The popular
|> >|> media is decidedly pro-abortion (Consider: CNBC, the NBC cable TV
|> >|> network, discontinued the DeMoss Foundation pro-life spots after 100
|> >|> workers signed a petition threatening to quit.  They tried the same
|> >|> thing at Turner Broadcasting, but Ted realized he'd risk a scandal
|> >|> if he caved in.).  If it could be shown that pro-life protesters
|> >|> were acting violently, it would be front page news with 72pt
|> >|> headlines.
|> 
|> >Bullshit.  If the media were pro-choice, then they would not come a-runnin
|> >to every demonstration that the anti-choicers have.  
|> 
|> Where have you been?  Of course they are pro-choice, by and large.  And that
|> is why they cover the OR operations.  They show how antagonistic those 
|> Christians are.  

Where have I been?  Well, a couple of weeks ago I was defending Planned
Parenthood in Houston.  I saw it all first hand.  Where were you?

|> They never cover the physical abuse the OR people have suffered at the hands 
|> of police.

Huh?  I was not aware that any OR people suffered any abuse.  However, some 
have been known to resist arrest, and they did abuse some of the clinic 
defenders.

|> But let's be realistic.  The papers and cameras are always there to cover 
|> anything that is controversial.  John is right that if there were violence 
|> going on as a rule, the news would pick it up.

Would they?  I think that this issue is so controversial that the media is
afraid to show anything that might be construed as taking sides.  They leave
out a lot of information.  However, about 40 arrests were made during the
Republican convention.  Surely you don't think that they were arrested for
peaceful demonstration.  Remember that the media has plenty of time to
edit and re-write before releasing anything.  I really don't think that
the media is on either side.

|> >When you can support your position with first-hand experience, please
|> >let me know.
|> 
|> Gimme a break.  Anyone with a newspaper has first-hand experience that 
|> violence sells.  Gotta be pretty lame to miss that one.

I suggest that you do some research.  Start looking for news coverage of the
OR activities.  You will find that several of them usually get arrested for
assault.  You gotta be pretty lame to not see violence when you read about it.

|> >While I agree that OR is the least violent of the anti-choice group,
|> 
|> I don't think so.  Try us :-)
|>
|> >the rest of your argument is pure hogwash.  Where have you been living
|> >for the past ten years?  Several clinics have been bombed.  Bones have
|> >been broken, assault charges filed.  Your so-called non-violent protest
|> >is nothing of the sort.  There are too many fanatics in that mob for
|> >non-violence.  They, like their fathers before them are more than 
|> >willing to do violence in the name of God.  If you ever get a chance to
|> >go to one of these demonstrations, I urge you to do so.
|> >( I don't mean to imply that *all* anti-choicers are violent )
|> 
|> Well, good.
|> >Idiotic!  What gives them the stream of martyrs is their own violence!
|> >They bomb clinics, 
|> 
|> When was the most recent clinic bombing?  I'm a little isolated up here.

There was one in Canada a couple of months ago.  Evidence was found linking 
the bombing to American activists.  Several stink bombings have occurred 
recently in the U.S., but I haven't heard of anything more destructive in
some time.  Maybe we are winning.

|> >assault clients, destroy property, and generally
|> >make a nuisance of themselves.  When they break the law, they go to
|> >jail.  Our job as clinic defenders was to minimise the number of martyrs.
|> >we did that my minimizing the possibility of violence.  Just look at
|> >the history of Christanity and you will see just how non-violent a 
|> >true believer is. (sarcasm)
|> 
|> Just look at the history of Egypt and you might understand why the history 
|> of Christianity is as it is.

It might interest you to know that there is no direct evidence that Egypt
was ever a slave state.  Certainly the pyramids were not built by slaves.
You see, the Nile used to flood  yearly and for about six months, the 
people of that agrarian society had nothing to do.  The government, being
reasonably good, found work for its citizens.  They were employed in all
manner of civil service.  Including the building of the pyramids.  Slaves
were not needed and were not used.  Don't believe every piece of propaganda
that you hear.

I do understand the history of Christianity.  Christians believe anything
that they are told and are only too eager to kill for their religion. 
Christians have persecuted everyone who does not accept their beliefs.
Native Americans, Jews, Hindu, Atheists, you name it.
They satisfy their endless needs, and justify their bloody deeds,
in the name of destiny, and in the name of God. 

|> Today, things are and will be different.
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