HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: buda@star.enet.dec.com (Mark A. Buda)
Subject: Re: $convert doesn't pack this file
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:51:45 GMT


In article <1992Dec17.173404.9461@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu>, dspencer@chsra2.chsra.wisc.edu writes...
>I have been trying to reduce the size of a large indexed file (FDL included below).  I run $anal/rms/fdl, and generate the listing on the left side of the post, with a DATA_FILL factor of 57% in the anal_of_key 0 section.  I then run
>$edit/fdl/anal= /script=opt  
>on the *.fdl file, and it generates the three new allocations I have inserted
>on the right.  Then I run $convert..., but the file that is generated using 
>the new .fdl file is the same size as the old one.  I thought $convert was 
>supposed to tune and reduce files in this situation.  Am I wrong?  Any
>suggestions for improving the DATA_FILL I get out of this situation?

You have duplicates in your file.  Your record size is 37 bytes but the average
# of bytes is around 250.

CONVERT puts duplicates into their own bucket, thus watsing space in your case.
You should look at reducing the bucket size to reduce space consumption.

	- mark

buda@star.enet.dec.com
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From: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: MOVE for Vms anywhere ?
Date: 16 Dec 92 09:55:54 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <14DEC199220234774@spades.aces.com>,
 gavron@spades.aces.com (Ehud Gavron 602-570-2000 x. 2546) writes:
> In article <1992Dec14.110305.2934@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl>,
>  NL0242T@NLZCL (Oscar van Eijk) writes...
> #If anybody knows where to find such a program, please let me know at
> #nl0242t@nlzcl.decnet.philips.nl
> 
> 	$ HELP RENAME

Not a very useful answer, since it is wrong:

$ rename prog.obj dua2:[directory]
%RENAME-E-NOTRENAMED, DUA1:[SLOANE.TEMP]PROG.OBJ;22 not renamed
-RENAME-E-NOTSAMEDEV, Cannot RENAME to a different device
-- 
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From: gavron@spades.aces.com (Ehud Gavron 602-570-2000 x. 2546)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: How to make mailbox look like a real terminal ?
Date: 13 Dec 92 03:01:00 GMT
Reply-To: gavron@ACES.COM
Organization: ACES Consulting Inc.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <15064.2b2a3522@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>, viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes...
#Hi everybody !
#I have a rather fundamental question:
# 
#In a program I have created a mailbox
#and then I'm using it as a SYS$INPUT
..
#Well, the problem is that
#the subprocess which in this case
#runs a DCL doesn't see the mailbox
#as a "real" terminal. And so do other
#utilities which I'm trying to run
#in that subprocess. E.g. editor
#kicks me out with "SYS$INPUT must be supported by CRT".
#(What the hell is that CRT, btw ?)

Cathode Ray Tube.

#So is there any way to make mailbox look like a real terminal ?

No.  Use a pseudo-terminal (PTY) instead.  These are documented
and supported in vms v5.4 and higher.  The TW driver is provided
with DECWindows between V5.1 and V5.4.  The TW driver is on DECUS
libraries for versions prior to V5.1.

#would strongly appreciate any constructive suggestions
#Thanks,
#S.V.

	Ehud

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From: leonard@telcom.arizona.edu (Aaron Leonard)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: How to prevent login.com from running.
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:54:56 GMT
Reply-To: Leonard@Arizona.EDU
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona Telecommunications

In article <1992Dec15.173245.20267@inel.gov>, sfr@inel.gov (Steve Schaeffer) writes:

| How about $mcr authorize modify username/lgicmd=nl:

This doesn't exactly address the question asked, which was how
to keep the users' LOGIN.COMs from running iff the process was
an rshell.

Try this instead:

$ mcr authorize modify */lgicmd=sys$manager:maybe-login.com

Then, in sys$manager:maybe-login.com, do something like this:

$ SavVer = 'F$Verify(0)
$! do your test to see if you're running in rshell context
$ If .Not. Rshell
$ Then
$   If F$Search("SYS$LOGIN:LOGIN.COM") Then  $ @Sys$Login:Login
$ EndIf
$ Exit 1+0*F$Verify(SavVer)

Aaron
From: viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: How to use pseudo-terminal driver ?
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:05:24 EST
Organization: Midwest Rat's Hole

I wish to thank everybody who responded
on my question "How to make mailbox look like real terminal ?".
Basically the answer was to use pseudo-terminal drivers
like FTA0: TWA0: PYA0: etc.
We are running VMS 5.5, but documentation is only for VMS 5.0
which doesn't say a word about pseudo-terminal drivers.

Could anybody send/post an example how to use pseudo-terminal
driver ? I need to use it basically as a mailbox between two
processes, one of which runs DCL and should see a mailbox
as a "real" terminal.
Will greatly appreciate any help.
Thanks,
S.Viznyuk
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: rbn@sunvis.rtpnc.epa.gov (Bob Boyd)
Subject: Re: NEWMAIL COUNT incorrect problems SOLVED (Was: Updated DISKFREE.COM)
Organization: UNISYS/Environmental Protection Agency
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:05:56 GMT

Anyone brave enough to try out this little jewel?

Maybe on a test machine that you don't mind losing a few files?


--
----

Bob Boyd
In The Here & Now
From: glenns@BRL.MIL ("Glenn A. Smith", ACISD)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: ULTRIX, VMS and HSC70 connection...
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:15:41 GMT
Organization: The Internet


Hello,

  It is my understanding that some time ago someone posted a message
regarding the connection of an Ultrix VAX and a VMS VAX to an HSC70.
However, I was unable to find the message in the older ones we have kept.

  I am interested in connecting our VAX 6310 Ultrix to the same HSC70
that currently supports our VMS VAX 8600 and VMS VAX 780.  I know this
is not supported by DEC however the person that had posted the message
said that they did not have many/(any?) problems with this configuration.
If I remember correctly, I would not be able to use the exact same disk
off the HSC70 for both VMS and Ultrix.  That will not be a problem.

  What I am looking for is confirmation of my recollections and the person
that either had posted the message or someone with a similar configuration.
Also, if you could point out any gotcha's, software versions, or other
helpful hints to make this work, I would appreciate it.

  Please send to  <glenns@brl.mil>.   I am not on the info-vax list yet.

  Thank you,

   Glenn Smith
   410-278-3485    410-278-3816
   <glenns@brl.mil>
From: FILIPSEN_BMF@jt.dk (Bent Filipsen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Conversion between Word and WPS+
Date: 20 Dec 92 12:47:01 GMT
Organization: Jydsk TELEFON
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24



	Hi

	What the best way to do document conversion between WPS+ and
	Word?.  

	Is it true, that if you use CDA Converter Library 2.0, you'll
	have to convert via WP or RTF?
       

	Sincerely

	Bent Filipsen
	Jutland Telephone 
	Denmark
	e-mail: Bent.Filipsen@jt.dk
From: gavron@spades.aces.com (Ehud Gavron 602-570-2000 x. 2546)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: How to make only one file readable?
Date: 17 Dec 92 02:42:00 GMT
Reply-To: gavron@ACES.COM
Organization: ACES Consulting Inc.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <BRIAN.92Dec16063431@dsm.dsm.fordham.edu>, brian@dsm.fordham.edu (Brian Downing) writes...
# 
# I've written a .plan file and when I FINGER myuserid it prints the
# .plan file. I use this as a reminder like utility, adding todo info
# to the .plan and my login.com has a line $ FINGER myuserid
# in it. I want other people to be able to get this info but because of
# file protections it doesn't get printed. I don't really want to
# bother with ACL's because there's too many people that I'd like to be
# able to access this information. Is there some way to set this up?
# Oh yeah, we're running VMS 5.5 with MULTINET for TCP/IP services.
# Thanks in advance, if I get an answer I'll post a summary here.

	$ set default sys$Login
	$ set file/prot=(w:e) [-]brian.dir
	$ set file/prot=(w:re) .plan

#--
# 
# Brian...
# 
# brian downing@->fordham university, nyc ny
#         brian@dsm.fordham.edu       bdowning@mary.fordham.edu

	Ehud

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From: jpichett@sobeco.com (Jacques-Bertrand Pichette)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: How do you RUN a program with parameters?
Date: 12 Dec 92 15:18:24 GMT
Organization: Sobeco Ernst & Young

In <01GS83QI0G428WW76K@kopc.hhs.dk> ARNE@ko.hhs.dk (Arne Vajhxj) writes:

>> : The subject header says it all.  How do you send parameters to a program
>> : you are RUNning?
>> 
>> Just make a symbol like   prog :== $disk:[directory]prog.exe
>> Notice the $ sign in front of the path. Then use 'prog par1 par2 par3 ...'
>> at the DCL prompt. Get parameters via standard ARGC, ARGV mechanism.
>                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>People using other languages than C will have to use the RTL routine
>LIB$GET_FOREIGN !


If you want to run it in batch  look at the help file under Submit /param=(xxx)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (Bob Marshall)
Subject: Re: HELP!!! Security problem for gurus.
Reply-To: marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 04:11:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.095514.1337@galaxy.gov.bc.ca>, ewilts@galaxy.gov.bc.ca (Ed Wilts) writes:
>In article <B1FB21FFA27F004AEF@imimnvx.irfmn.mnegri.it>, PSI%ITAPAC.22800002::PITCLS::ADRIANO@imimnvx.irfmn.mnegri.it (Adriano Santoni) writes:
>> 	I need to avoid certain people to scan a directory of mine. This
>> 	could seem a very trivial issue, if it was not for the following:
>> 
>> 	o  Some users of mine have (and need to retain) *ALL* privileges
>> 
>> 	o  I don't want to clear the DIRECTORY file characteristic bit
>> 
>> 	o  I don't want to do encrypting or any other tricky thing
>> 
>> 	o  I want to be able to access my directory whenever I need to
>> 
>> 	In other words: do you know of a feasible method of protecting
>> 	private areas without resorting to the traditional & documented
>> 	practics? Impossible? That's what I fear! Sigh!
>
>As long as they are privileged, there is absolutely nothing you can do to stop
>them from accessing your data.  If they so chose, they could even use your
>userid to do it.

I had a related problem come up at one time. A user planned to work on
some kind of software development project on my system that was "sensitive"
in some vague sense. He wanted to make sure that no one on the system
could look at his stuff. I told him that, as system manager, I could look
at *any* non-encrypted files on the system were I so inclined. He got real
huffy and said something like "I can't allow that; if you can't do any
better than that then I won't put my stuff on your system". I guess you
can imagine how I responded to that!

I think I agree with the other posters; I think encryption is your only
choice.

=============================================================================
Bob Marshall                     \\     "Women aren't as smart as they
Lockheed Missiles & Space Co.     \\     think they are; they think we
Sunnyvale, CA                      \\    men know a lot more than we
marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com\\   really do."
"I tell the truth 'cept when I lie"  \\     - Tim the Toolman
=============================================================================
From: tanm@bio1.bst.rochester.edu (Martin Tanner)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: MOTIF - MEMORY HOG?
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:17:25 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)


We have recently installed motif on a vaxstation 4000/60.  It seems
this program uses more memory than the old windows we had running -
thus our other jobs run somewhat slower.  Are there any fixes we
can apply? I suppose adding more memory would help - is that correct?
However, I am wondering whether there are things to try within the
current set-up.

Thanks
Martin

p.s. please respond to me and I will post a summary for the net.

tanm@seneca.bst.rochester.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: michael@chpc.utexas.edu (Michael Lemke)
Subject: Re: DCL program needed
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 06:02:00 GMT

In article <Bz9otF.AL2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mako@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu writes:
>> >	DCL is distributed with the VMS operating system.  If the archive 
>> >that you received includes mail headers at the beginning, they must be 
>> >removed.
>>
>> My favorite yet somewhat dangerous way of unpacking it without removing mail
>> headers:
>> 
>> 	$ SPAWN/NOWAIT/NOTIFY/INPUT=shar_file  SET NOON
>
>I usually add the following line at the very beginning:
>
>	$ TYPE SYS$INPUT
>
>You can then save the mail header as well as any messages the original
>author has written for you. In fact, it will remind you of these messages
>every time you try to unpack it.
>							mako

That's neat, haven't thought of this.  But it still requires editing
usually producing a second version of the SHAR file.

Michael
-- 
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Astronomy, UT Austin, Texas
(michael@io.as.utexas.edu or UTSPAN::UTADNX::IO::MICHAEL [SPAN])
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: abstine@toy4x4.visix.com (Art Stine)
Subject: what's on the latest CONDIST (for VAX/VMS)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:07:21 GMT
Reply-To: abstine@visix.com
Organization: Visix Software Inc.
Followup-To: abstine@visix.com


Can someone tell me what is on the latest VAX/VMS CONDIST CD?
specifically, version of VMS, DEC C, Motif, etc

thanks
From: alanmoore@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Not translating lexicals in symbols
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:33:01 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

I would like to have a symbol that has a lexical in it, but I don't want the
lexical to be translated until the symbol is used.  For instance. make a symbol
out of:

     dir/since="''f$cvtime(,"absolute",)-10"

The problem I am having is that the lexical either gets translated when I
define the symbol:
          dd:==dir/since=""'f$cvtime(,"absolute",)-10"""
     Yeilds:
          DD == "DIR/SINCE="16-DEC-1992 12:20:49.58-10""
Or not at all:
          dd:==dir/since=""""''f$cvtime(,"absolute",)-10"""
     Yeilds:
          DD == "DIR/SINCE="F$CVTIME(,absolute,)-10""
The closest I can get is:
          DD == "DIR/SINCE="'f$cvtime(,ABSOLUTE,)-10""
     Using:
          dd:==dir/since="""'f$cvtime(,"absolute",)-10"""
But what I want is
          DD == "DIR/SINCE="''F$CVTIME(,absolute,)-10""
I understand what causes the output in all these cases... I was wondering if
there is a way to get what I want.

Thanks,
Alan Moore                              alanmoore@yang.earlham.edu
System/Network Manager, Postmaster      (317)983-1437
Earlham College
Richmond, IN
Thanks,
From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Sysop checking mail
Date: 17 Dec 92 10:59:29 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1453@sdipl.oz>, petem@sdipl1.sdi.oz.au (Peter J. MASON) writes:
> ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) writes:
>>> # Can somebody tell me when it's legal and when it's illegal for a sysop to
>>> # check another user's mail?
>>> [...]
>>> 
> 
> Is it relevent that only "mail" is being considered in this thread? Is the
> situation different if a user saves mail items in a more general purpose file,
> to be later perhaps read by a sysop? Seems to me that we really should be
> talking about sysops peering over the fence generally, rather than merely at
> mail items.

The original has expired from my news database but I never said
what you've attributed to me. Watch that editing.

-- 
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From: gezelter@rlgsc.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Anonymous SMTP
Date: 18 Dec 92 01:11:35 EST
Organization: Robert Gezelter Software Consultant, Flushing, NY

In article <9212171518.AA10066@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, CM3BCH11@staffordshire.ac.uk writes:
> 
> Someone may have mentioned this, but the best way of stopping people
> accessing port 25 is to recompile telnet with a check in the code
> to stop people specifying port 25. Thats what i'd do.
> 
> This won't stop people with their own copy of telnet 
> 
> 
> Tony Blews.
> Staffordshire University
> Computing Student
> 
-- 
Tony, 
 
My apologies for putting this in a public posting, but...
 
You correctly note (in your last paragraph) the Achilles heal of 
this approach, namely that people may use their own copy of the 
program to access socket 25. This renders this type of approach 
worse than nothing.
 
If you were to put this "patch" in, you would do so for the 
purpose of preventing the problem. However, all you get out of 
this is a false sense of security, which is more dangerous than 
no security at all.
 
- Bob
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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: jlromero@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx (Ing. Jose Luis Romero Ogawa)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: independent process communication
Keywords: wake hibern
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:38:03 GMT
Organization: I.T.E.S.M. Campus Monterrey


 We are trying to communicate two independent process in 'C' with the
'raise' and 'signal' procedures. The last thing we have done is the use
of signals with the kill statement (for UNIX).

  We are looking for some procedure like the UNIX one, to establish
signal communication in VMS operating system. We will appreciate any
help you can give us. Our email adresses are:
        
       jlromero@omega.mty.itesm.mx
       jsalinas@omega.mty.itesm.mx
From: sheets@inland.com (The Dreamer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Typing Tutor Programs ?
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:22:14 CST
Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN

Are there any FTP-able typing tutor programs out there ?

Thanks !!!

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From: mgrthh@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu (Thomas H. Hopson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: How to use pseudo-terminal driver ?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 18:01:50 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Distribution: world
Reply-To: mgrthh@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.rose-hulman.edu


In article <71757@cup.portal.com>, Chris_F_Chiesa@cup.portal.com writes:

>I second the request for an example of using the PTD$ routines for 
>pseudo-terminals: [...]

When I was busy messing with pseudoterminals, I found the source to LOGGER,
a PHOTO-type example utility, very helpful in showing how to use the PTD$
routines.

LOGGER is available for anonymous ftp from ftp.spc.edu as
[.MACRO32.SAVESETS]LOGGER.BCK_Z and must be available from the fileserv
at wkuvx1.bitnet.  I think it's also in the VAX90B1 Decus tape "somewhere".

[Also, while I'm here, much thanks to Hunter Goatley and Terry Kennedy for
keeping and maintaining the archives at wkuvx1 and spc.edu!]

						- Tom

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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: silverm@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Jeff Silverman)
Subject: Re: Sysop checking mail
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:31:30 GMT

ctanski@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Tanski) writes:
>Can somebody tell me when it's legal and when it's illegal for a sysop to
>check another user's mail? Thanks and please reply directly to
>ctanski@nyx.cs.du.edu.
>Chris Tanski

Chris and everybody else:

	You should consider electronic mail to be an "open channel".  Therefore,
you should take steps to ensure that any electronic mail messages is
1) encrypted and 2) authenticated.  Encryption ensures that the message can
only be read by the recipient.  Authentication ensures that the message can
only be generated by the author.
	Legal/illegal is irrelevant.  The sysops of the various machines
have a "legal" right to examine any information contained on that machine.
All of the privileges and protection systems are set up to enforce policies
concerning who has access to data.  Since the system manager may bypass those
protection mechanisms, any data access policy must assume that the system
manager, by virtue of his/her job, is authorized access.  Further, the
assumption is that management is watching the watchers watching the data, to
prevent abuse.
	Bottom line: get PGP (Pretty Good Privacy)

			Jeff Silverman, Boeing.

Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: plante@spang.Camosun.BC.CA (Mike Plante)
Subject: Re: PROBLEMS with VISTA terminal server
Organization: Camosun College, Victoria B.C, Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 07:35:14 GMT

NAT@drao.nrc.ca (Natalie Prowse) writes:
: 
: 
: at frequent and random intervals.  There is no apparent reason for it.
: Anyone ever have this problem before?  Can someone suggest a cause?
: 
: 

We've got one with 128 ports on it. One problem we had was that when too
many printer ports were used, the extra throughput saturated the limited
backplane bandwith and caused the server to either seize up or sieze up and
reboot. Another problem we saw was when certain VAX processors were rebooted,
it would hang the terminal server. No explanation was given for this behavior
from the manufacturer; they simply sent out a rom upgrade and it seemed to
fix the problem. Note, that the problems were sporadic and not consistent.

I'd call Datability and explain the problem. They'll probably send you new
rom chips. Only hassle was we had to reset 128 port settings afterwards...

Mike
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms