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From: gregX@organia.sce.carleton.ca (Greg Franks)
Subject: Re: cheapo slideboards
Organization: /home/organia/gregX/.organization
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:31:39 GMT

In article <1iftneINNntc@hpsdlss3.sdd.hp.com> mark@sdd.hp.com (Mark Overton) writes:

   In article <C0D2s8.3L8@unix.amherst.edu>, kewasiel@unix.amherst.edu (They call me Ren) writes:
   | um....what's a slideboard?  what do you do with it?  just curious.

   I was wondering the same thing:
   What's a slideboard?  A previous posting made it sound like something you
   skate on with ice skates.  Is that true?

   - Mark Overton,  mark@hp-sdd.hp.com  (Hewlett-Packard, San Diego Division)

A slide boad is a hunk of wood (or whatever) with "stoppers" on each
end for practicing your (speed) skating while in the comfort of your
own home.  You slide sideways until your foot hits the stopper, then
push off.  Repeat until boredom strikes.
  ..greg


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From: kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Kevin Anderson)
Subject: Amateur vs Pros
Keywords: xxx
Reply-To: kevin@tycho.lmsc.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 22:08:44 GMT

Over the last several months I've heard rumours that just
about every big name skater since 1980 is going to apply
for amateur status to compete in the next Olympics.  I'm
curious as to how that works.  How can you be a pro one
day and then an amateur the next?  

Even though they let pros into the Olympics now (ie Michael
Jordon), IMO I don't think they should let them in figure
skating.  The Olympics is the Holy Grail of the amatuer 
figure skating world and is the driving force behind developing
skaters in this country.  If you let pros compete, I think 
eventually the overall quality of skating in this country
would go down because most young skaters wouldn't hang in there long
enough to be able to compete against older, more experienced 
skaters.

Speaking of pros turning amateur, does anybody know what
the status is of the following skaters:

Brian Boitano
Scott Hamilton
Katarina Witt

I have heard from one source or another that all 3 at one time
where at least thinking about trying to make it to the next Olympics.

Kevin Anderson

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From: dbrown@apollo.hp.com (Diane Brown)
Subject: Ice Dancing Music
Originator: dbrown@brownie
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:58:55 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA


I'm looking for some information on where I can purchase
Ice Dancing Music for ISIA or USFSA tests.  Any suggestions
appreciated.


-- 
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Workstation Systems Divsion
300 Apollo Drive, Chelmsford, MA 01824
telnet (508) 436-4618    fax (508) 250-4970
From: news@novell.com (The Netnews Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Surya Bonaly
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:29:09 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia

Yes, I did see Surya do her routine.  I was most impressed with some
of her new techniques.
From: rmaratas@novell.com (Robert Maratas)
Bob
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From: kimon@orac.holonet.net (Kimon Papahadjopulos)
Subject: Re: cheapo slideboards
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:00:22 GMT

pinch@cs.washington.edu (Ricardo Pincheira) writes:

>$47.77 roll-up slideboard?

>The other day while shopping at a Target in Bismark ND I saw, to my great
>amazement, a display of "Thighmaster" (with Suzanne Sommers) and of all
>things, "Body Slide"...

>PS - I think it also said "As seen on TV" (in an infomertial?? Our sport is
>famous!), but I've never seen it.  Then again I very seldom watch TV anyways.

I've seen the comercial.  Its got to be the most ridiculous slideboard
demonstration that I have ever seen-- They have Cheryl Lad kind of disco
dancing from side to side on the thing.  No doubt she's been doing
it for years.  Didn't I hear some rumor a few years back that she beat out
Ellen Barkin for that part in Charlie's Angels only after showing the
producers her slideboard prowess?

Then they say "You can use it as a fun exercise or a serious workout" and
they have some buff guy doing pushups on the board, sliding out with his feet.

Gosh, I've had my board for over a year and I never new I could get such
a great UPPER body workout as well!  Guess you learn something new
every day!

But the silly advertising aside, if it is long enough (and it does look a
little short) and its quality is up to par, it is far cheaper than any other
slideboard I have seen on the market.  If anyone has a better look at
one of these than Ricardo, tell us what you think.

Kimon
kimon@holonet.net
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From: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Re: Ultra Wheels Gretzky Wings: my comments
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 05:39:05 GMT

In article <AfHO8xe00aPCAK6HBU@cs.cmu.edu> Thomas.Sullivan@cs.cmu.edu writes:

[comments deleted]

>Where did you order them from?  At that price I'd consider picking up a 
>2nd pair.

From DAMARK International, Inc.  The ad is in the October, 1992 catalog,
but they still have them in stock (well, at least as of a few days ago).
In case you don't have the catalog, the phone number to order is
1-800-729-9000, but the order numbers are shoe-size dependent, so if you
really want them, email me.
 
I can't wait until we can see the ground again up here (we've had over five
feet of snow so far this winter), so that I can get out and really use them.

Jim
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From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Re: Wheel lore (skating floors)
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:33:58 GMT
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD

>Unfortunately, Freshman Physics is a bit too simplified to tell us what the
>fastest kind of wheel will be.
>
>Two summers ago, all the in-line racers were using 74A wheels, which where the
>*softest* wheels commercially available. I doubt if most of these guys have
>degrees in physics, but you can bet your bottom dollar that they were using
>the fastest wheel available at the time.
>
>On a rough surface, it's probably more important to maintain contact with the
>road surface than to lose some of your energy to internal friction. If you
>can't get the rubber to the road, you can't get optimal acceleration from your
>skating stride. Thus, a wheel with *less* rebound (and, probably necessarily,
>more internal friction) will yield greater speed on a rough surface.
>
>--phil
----------

I would suspect that the type of race would dictate which wheel is used.

In short sprints, you can afford to waste energy on friction.  Don't
track 100Meter sprinters use long spikes while marathon runners may
go barefoot to save the extra few ozs of shoe wt (Zoela Bud)?

Also, loosing contact with a rough surface due to hard wheels would be
VERY slow since you'd fall behind while picking yourself up after the
fall.

Kirk out
From: aboulang@bbn.com (Albert Boulanger)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Wheel lore (skating floors)
Date: 8 Jan 93 13:16:43
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
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In-reply-to: cfb@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM's message of Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:35:47 GMT

In article <36020009@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM> cfb@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Charlie Brett) writes:

   IMHO;
   From what I learned in Physics and from experience, The harder the wheel,
   the more rebound, therefore the faster it rolls. However, this is not always
   true. Rebound (or lack of internal friction) is the measure of efficiency
   and is more related to rolling resistance than hardness is. One of the
   common properties of hard compounds is to have a high rebound, but not always.
   SuperBalls have a very interesting property in that they are "soft", but
   still have a very high rebound. In "theory", they would roll faster than
   a "hard" wheel with a lower rebound. There is one other problem besides
   temperature and humidity that have been mentioned. Rebound can be related
   to the level of distortion. A compound that is 95% efficient under light
   load, may only be 80% under a heavy load. Under a even heavier load, the
   compound could actually become permanently distorted (read break apart).
   This is one of the problems with SuperBalls. You can only throw them so
   hard before they shatter. Could you imagine your wheels doing this?
   Also, Don't forget that there are 2 surfaces involved, the wheel and the
   surface your skating on. Asphalt, concrete, wood (different types) all
   have their own properties.


The way I view it is that on the softer wheels (or rebound) on is
putting work into rolling a distorting wheel. (With some of the 60-70
durometer wheels you can actually see the distortion.) The work that
goes into the pushing along the distortion around the rolling wheel is
wasted away in what I guess you can call "internal friction".

Rolling along on nice 95ish durometer wheels,
Albert Boulanger
aboulanger@bbn.com
From: icedance@carson.u.washington.edu (Ann Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Favorite Skater
Date: 11 Jan 1993 16:55:39 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

My favorite 'up and coming' skater is Nicole Bobek.  I saw her most
recently on this years 'Evening of Championship Skating' on PBS and was
very impressed with her technical and artistic ablilties (and she's only 15).
From: fc03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Frederick W. Chapman)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: when to have ice skates sharpened
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:30:43 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <C0E1Bu.10H@rice.edu>, mmzn@rice.edu (Mark Mazina) writes:

>How do people decide its time to have a pair of skates sharpened?  I
>was once told that if the edges will shave a layer off the flat side
>of your fingernail, then the blades are still sharp; but that may be
>an old wife's tale [hmmm, I believe it was my ex who told me it, but I
>digress :-)]
>
>How do people decide?  Number of hours of use?  How the bite feels?  This
>latter method doesn't work well for those of us that don't have lots of
>experience.  Sometimes I know its just me being sloppy or tired.
>
>Oh, and I skate in hockey skates if it matters, but don't play hockey.

One test I was told by the ice pro who owns the rink where I skate is
to (carefully) run your finger along the length of the blade, feeling
the inside and outside edges of the blade for nicks and burrs.  If
there are a lot of nicks and burrs, you need to get those puppies
sharpened.  You can also get a feel for it by brushing your thumb
sideways across the edges of the blade (as though you were testing a
pocket knife for sharpness).  Or, you could try shaving with it.  :-)

I have figure skates, so I'm not 100% sure the same techniques apply
to hockey skates.  If its been a "long time" since you last had them
sharpened, and you find yourself unable to hold an edge, slipping a
lot, etc., and the above tests confirm that the blades are dull and
hacked up, then a good sharpening is in order.

Fred Chapman

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From: ac999257@umbc3.umbc.edu (ac999257)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Favorite skater
Date: 10 Jan 1993 15:21:34 -0500
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
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IMHO, there is far too little discussion of figure skating in
this newsgroup. Let's start some.

Who is your favorite figure skater and why? If someone already
posted your favorite skater, you can still post but expand on
the first poster's why. One skater or pair per post, but
of course post as often as you want. Feel free to *comment* on
someone's choice, but only if you explain yourself. Comment means
comment, not disagree or flame!  I'll start.

My favorite is Brian Boitano. You only have to see him live once
to know that no one else does a triple axle quite as well as he
does. And he's one of the few professionals that still does a 
triple axle routinely. Since turning pro, Brian has not slacked
off and gone the easy route. He maintains the technical brilliance
he had as an amateur competitor and his numbers are more difficult
than probably anyone elses. There is never a boring moment when he's
on the ice, and I find myself absorbed in watching him. You won't
see me looking at my watch will he's on the ice. My favorite number
of his is The Music of the Night, from Phantom of the Opera. I love
that song, and I think Brian did an excellent interpretation. He
included some difficult moves while maintaining a sensitive and
expressive feeling throughout the piece. I was also very impressed
with his skating throughout Carmen on Ice. His solo to the Flower
Song was a work of art, and is my second favorite.

Mary
From: kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Professional Ice Skating
Date: 10 Jan 1993 02:17:25 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: guppy.ucsd.edu

In article <1ik8lnINNd44@umbc8.umbc.edu> ac999257@umbc3.umbc.edu (ac999257) writes:
>In article <1ijcieINN68a@network.ucsd.edu> kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim) writes:
>
>>Another thing that pissed me off is than they kept annoucing
>>Orser as "two-time silver medalist" instead of a "Three-time
>>World Champion".  Oh well.  Petrenko seemed to skate OK as well
>
>Maybe they didn't announce the way you would have liked because
>Orser is not a "three-time World Champion".  According to my
>record book, he won only one in 1987. Perhaps you're thinking of
>Kurt Browning of Canada -- a "three-time World Champion." 

I'm sorry, my mistake.  The men's figure skating world championship 
winners were not listed in my NHL Guide and Record Book, so I couldn't 
check - I was just going from memory.

I thought that Orser had won the three world championships between
the 1984 and 1988 Olympics.  Does anybody know who won these? 

>IMHO, I think two Olympic silver medals over such a long and distinguished
>career sounds a bit better than one world championship over such
>a long and distinguished career. 

Well, I would rather win it all just once, than finish second 10 times
in a row.  Don't you think Elway or Tarkington would trade all of those
second place finishes for just one Super Bowl?

>Mary

Isaac (kim@bull.ucsd.edu)
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From: malcolm@hemel.bull.co.uk (Malcolm Preen)
Subject: in-line skating on damp pavements :-(
Organization: Bull HN UK
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 19:32:14 GMT

I had a pair of old hockey skates converted to in-lines over xmas, and when
trying them out last weekend I hit an interesting problem.

Its bad enough having to skate up hills (but good for conditioning I'm
sure), but when the pavements (sidewalks ?) are damp because its Winter, I
can't get alot of grip.

Is this why I've seen reference to the in-line season starting about March ?
Or is there anything I can do about this ?

Thanks in advance,

Malcolm
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From: icedance@carson.u.washington.edu (Ann Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Music at Public Skating Sessions
Date: 6 Jan 1993 18:30:06 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

The ice rinks here play mostly rock music, either on the radio or on
pre-recorded tapes during public sessions (at high volume).  I personally
think most of it is pretty bad.  If we try to play ice dance music the
public session skaters complain (I suspect they also complain about
freestyle program tapes).  I skate few public sessions for this reason. 

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From: kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Kevin Anderson)
Subject: Re: when to have ice skates sharpened
Summary: xxx
Keywords: xxx
Reply-To: kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 18:37:31 GMT


mmzn@rice.edu (Mark Mazina) writes:

> How do people decide its time to have a pair of skates sharpened?  I was once told
> that if the edges will shave a layer off the flat side of your fingernail, then the  
> blades are still sharp; but that may be an old wife's tale [hmmm, I believe it was
> my ex who told me it, but I digress :-)]


> How do people decide?  Number of hours of use?  How the bite feels?  This
> latter method doesn't work well for those of us that don't have lots of
> experience.  Sometimes I know its just me being sloppy or tired.

> Oh, and I skate in hockey skates if it matters, but don't play hockey.

I usually sharpen my blades when I can't hold an edge anymore on my edge jumps.
In hockey I would guess that you would get them sharpened when you can't hold
an edge anymore on whatever it is that hockey players need to hold edges on
(crossovers?).  

Kevin Anderson
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Subject: Re: Favorite Skater
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In article <1iq0geINN90o@umbc8.umbc.edu>, ac999257@umbc3.umbc.edu (ac999257) writes:
> IMHO, there is far too little discussion of figure skating in
> this newsgroup. Let's start some.
> 
> Who is your favorite figure skater and why? 

Hmmm.  My favorite male skater would have to be Scott Hamilton.  Yes, I
agree that there are others that may be more technically precise, and
others that may be more graceful, but Scott brings a boyish sense of joy
and wonder along with him onto the ice.  He doesn't take skating, or
himself, so seriously that it keeps him from having fun.  That is so
lacking in most competitors.  

Also, Scott is forever a considerate sportsman.  On a recently televised
competition, Scott skated immediately prior to Paul Wylie.  After skating
and receiving his (somewhat disappointing) marks, Scott yelled out "Go
Paul!" as Paul went out to skate.  I was impressed.  


A question for the net:  Mary recently posted a partial list of the World
Men's Champions.  Would it interest the net to have the complete list, Men
and Women, US and World?  Is this something I should send to Tony Chen for
inclusion into the FAQ?

Thanks! - Len
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PS. Mary.  I found a way to post!
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From: ewalents@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Erich Walentschak)
Subject: Re: Music at Public Skating Sessions
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:30:34 GMT
From: icedance@carson.u.washington.edu (Ann Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Triple JUMPS RULE ( WAS Re: Pro vs Am)
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:20:36 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

>
>The rule simply stated is the following.
>
>1.  You can do any of the triple jumps in isolation ( in other words not in
>    combinataion with other jumps ) only once.
>
>2.  If the same triple jump is done in isolation more than once,
>    the jump is not to be scored on each subsequent attempt in isolation.
>
As I recall, this rule was instituted soon after Elaine Zayak won the
World Championship as an effort to limit the number of triple jumps done
so the Ladies would have time to develop some artistic expression.  The
freestyle skaters out here have acquired more grace and artistry in the
last five years (about) than they had previously.  This may or may not
have anything to do with the triple jump limitation, but (IMO) the
programs are more interesting to watch now than they were when the kids
did only jumps, spins and crossovers.

Ann
From: damon@nomad.osf.org (Damon Poole)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: request for racing information
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:20:40 GMT
Reply-To: damon@nomad.osf.org
Organization: Open Software Foundation

Hi.

I am planning a racing tour this year for the May-July timeframe. Basically,
I want to spend a month racing my brains out in California, Colorado, and
nearby states. Any suggestions on the busiest race month in this time frame?

Thanks in advance,

Damon

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From: jseto@zeus.calpoly.edu (John the Fisherman)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: rollerhockey and skating areas near Stanford.
Date: 6 Jan 93 06:33:44 GMT
Organization: Chuck's Bastard Frizzle Fry

Howdy,
	I may be up in the San Jose, Palo Alto, and Redwood City area
the next few months and I was wondering where some good places to skate
were.  In addition, if anyone on the net plays rollerhockey (or ice
hockey) in the area, please e-mail me; I wanna play!!!!!!.  All work 
and no play make Johnny a dull boy.  

Thanks.
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