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From: cf123@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher Leigh Putnam)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: DCI CD's
Date: 17 Dec 1992 07:56:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I too just recieved my DCI CD's.  I have some severe pronblems with
them this year.  First of all, they were mighty slow in arriving.  Second
did anyone else notice that they remixed the sound?  They boosted the bass
and dropped the treble on them this year.  Usually, I keep the high end
down on my system and crank the bass, but now, I have to do the opposite.
In fact, 
when I started listening to the Devils, I couldn't hear any screamers!!

I live for Devils screamers!  In addition, the pit in scertain parts is way 
overmiked or something.  The pit is covering up the Devils sops wailing
away!  It wasn't like that live at all.  They're better than nothing, nbut
I liked last year's a lot more.  This yqarars' just don't "do it"
for me.

BTW, if you listen, you can hear the BK snare line sounding VERY mushy
on their soli parts in Billy the Kid.  The CD's do pick that
up well.  Enjoy them, and maybe NEXT year they will be perfected.  Please?
-- 
Chris Putnam (still a Blue Devils lover at heart)
Euphonium/Baritone
Star in '93?????
Go Devils Winterguard!!!!!
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From: tmv@cupid.cc.bellcore.com (vandewater,thomas m)
Subject: Phantom's drill writer in 93, Star's music in 93
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 16:52:00 GMT

Yes folks, Phantom will have a new drill designer for 1993.  The
new writer is Tony Hall, who we discussed a few articles before as
the drill writer for the Cadets in 1986.  Tony has been working with
a few marching bands, but has not written a top 12 DCI drill since
he wrote for the Cadets.  

Supposedly Michael Cesario asked him to join the corps..this info came
from Jim Prime, who I saw in the gym the other day.  I told him I heard
that he was working with Crossmen and Boston this year, and he couldn't
believe how fast the news travels!!

Finally, Jimmer told me that Star has not picked out their show yet.  He
said they should know within two weeks what they are doing.  He also added
that he thought "In the springtime when the kings go off to war" (or 
whatever the heck its called) would be a great piece for the Cadets in 93.

Tom
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From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: loyalty to your corps
Date: 11 Dec 1992 18:49:51 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1992Dec10.203546.19641@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jwise@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Wise) writes:
>
>     At this point last year, the Bluecoats saw a dubious record of at least 
>eight former members migrate to greener pastures.  An informal study of those 
>leaving form 86 thru 91 saw an average of two or three a year until last year.
>Some of us are concerned, and we hotly debated the issue of loyalty to the 
>corps you march.  To these corps-jumpers defense, internal workings of the 
>corps in 91 did leave some people with a bad taste, on a personal level.  In 
>some cases a few just wanted a chance to win (Flame shield activated) they went
>to Star and one of them especially was changed, in our minds, for the worse. 
>What was once a fun-loving people oriented person came back from the summer a 
>cynic with material goals.  To the effect that this person is not doing any 
>one's winter camps, but instead is going to try scam a spot in June with 
>whomever has an opening.  WRONG  (Flame shield off)

I think that there is a difference between the loyalty to a corps for the
season that you march, and the loyalty to the corps ideas, playing style,
attitude.  One of my good friends is what could be called a corps jumper, so
I feel I should present his case.  He went from a moderate corps to a top 5
corps because of the instructional staff that was at the top 5 corps.  He
was very loyal to the corps that year, but he didn't feel that there was
where 'it' was at (i.e. writing, tech, whatever).  So now he's at another
corps.  Each year he is increadibly loyal to that corps (not dissing the show,
the players, or anything), but he hasn't found 'the corps' for him.

>--Jeff
>Bluecoats 86,88-92

--David


-- 
 Spirit '88      |"So get off your butt and ride."      |     _,-~o     |
 BAC    '93      |"It's the motor that wins the races." |    _-\_<,     |
                 |               E-mail ddm@wpi.wpi.edu |   (*)/'(*)    |
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From: bruzacd@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu (Trooper)
Subject: Re: SameO Tunes
Followup-To: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Organization: Not really
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:28:15 GMT

In article <77525@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM>,
rlapham@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Richard Lapham) wrote:
> 
> A lot of discussion has been kicked around about corps playing the same tunes 
> over and over.. Try this on - what corps played the same tune the same year ?

> Any others ??  
> 

Just this past season, '92: 
                   Gordon Jacob's  "Flag of Stars" 

																			was played by both the TROOPERS and Star of Indiana
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From: tmv@cupid.cc.bellcore.com (vandewater,thomas m)
Subject: Re: Phantom's drill writer in 93, Star's music in 93
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 20:56:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.171650@IASTATE.EDU>, knights@IASTATE.EDU (Andrew H Combites) writes:
> I had a friend who made it into Phantom this year, I won't say who and what
> section, but he thinks their show is going to be more boring than last year, and
> he couldn't stand the staff for his section the weekend he was there.  He also
> thought David St. Angel was a real prick and they tried to brainwash the new
> people with the "we got screwed" bullshit as soon as they walked in the door!
> Andy Combites
> Cavaliers '92-'94


Andy,

After thinking this, is your friend going to march Phantom, or is he
switching to another corps.  I thought your comments were very interesting.
I can't believe they are doing the "we got screwed" stuff again.....

Tom
(by the way, congrats on winning finals with the Cavies)

Xref: sparky rec.arts.marching.drumcorps:96 alt.drumcorps:2630
From: fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps,alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Hurray! We're here!
Date: 11 Dec 1992 19:21:52 GMT
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
Distribution: usa
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In article <urcat.724045023@mcl> urcat@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eilidh Swan) writes:
>Hip Hip Huzzah!  Hip Hip Huzzah!  Hip Hip Huzzah!  
;>
;>--
;>Now that we're on.....anyone have an estimate on how long we're
;>holding on to alt.drumcorps till everyone makes the switch?  Michael?
;>
;>--
;>Time for a dci-finals-pbs-broadcasts-marathon since-finals-are-over!
;>

I think we are keeping alt.drumcorps for a couple of months until
we are sure that everyone is transfered over.

Phil will be in charge of sending the official remove group command
to the proper authorities.

>Eilidh Swan  -- VK '86, and patiently waiting for Senior Corps info.....

Yea, I would like to see more senior corps info, i.e. addresses etc. in the
FAQ.  Unfortunately, I don't really know where to get such info.  Any
senior corps folks out there have info to give?

-- 
MM   MM FFFFF 	Michael Fath		fath@mbcrr.harvard.edu
M M M M F	Dept of Microbiology and Molecular Genetics
M  M  M FFF     Harvard Medical School         
M     M F       Boston, MA 02115	Merry Christmas Everyone!
From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Phantom's drill writer in 93, Star's music in 93
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:23:45 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

tmv@cupid.cc.bellcore.com (vandewater,thomas m) writes:

>Yes folks, Phantom will have a new drill designer for 1993.  The
>new writer is Tony Hall, who we discussed a few articles before as
>the drill writer for the Cadets in 1986.  Tony has been working with
>a few marching bands, but has not written a top 12 DCI drill since
>he wrote for the Cadets.  

[stuff deleted]


GOD HELP THE PHANTOM REGIMENT IN '93!!!!!!!!!!
From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: SameO Tunes
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:26:48 GMT

pm860605@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Peter J. McKinney) writes:

>Oops - I was thinking of 1980.... Two-Seven and *Madison* played Blue Rondo
>and Madison's version was basically a keyboard solo...  

>It's terrible to have to follow up your own post..... :-)

Oops again!  27th and Madison *did* play the same solo in 1980, but it
was "New Country."  And I'm with you, 27th's feature was much better and
gave us *IMnsHO* one of the bestest drum-to-drum features ever:

                                            ---6---
Right  . .       . .       | .      .       .      |          
Yours   . . . ..  . . . .. |  ..  .. . . ..  .. .. | etc...
Left         .         .   |    .       .      .   |      

Later,
Bob

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From: rdorocke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (rob lawrence dorocke)
Subject: Re: Phantom drum staff
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:51:46 GMT

In article <Bz4u17.Fx2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> bjh42543@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian J. Haag) writes:
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
>dsn41188@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (david nirschl) writes:
>
>
>
>>Well, I'm no expert on this, but I thought people might be interested...
>>The drum staff for Phantom looks something like
>
>>	Jeff Prosperie	 	Perc. designer, caption head
>>	Pat Fitzgerald		Toms
>>	Steve McDonald		Pit
>>	Kandra Summerhill	Bass
>
>>All I really know about this staff is that they are all from the University
>>of North Texas drumline staff.
>
>>-dave nirschl
>
>Also, I think Prosperie has been snare tech there a couple of years.  Does
>anyone know what they're doing for '93?  I've heard from members that last
>summer the staff was throwing around The Rite of Spring and Shostakovitch
>Symphony #5.  Anyone else have info?
>
>
>
>-- 
>______________________________________________________________________________
>Brian J. Haag                                    Senior, Department of Finance
>bjh42543@uiuc.edu                                       University of Illinois 
>       "Remember:  No matter where you go, there you are." -- Anonymous


The Rite of Spring would be great!!  I love that piece.  If it were played
both Phantom and Star's shows would be hated equally.  When a corps plays
 a piece that is extremely compicated, or has little meldoy (i.e. Star 1991,
Cadets 1991) it is looked upon poorly.  This is probably due to many fans
not being big 20th century music fans.  I would love to see The Rite of
Spring on the field, because I feel it would stretch drum corps to a new
height and would piss off the fans even more.

I hate it when the fans can't understand a piece, so they refuse to listen
to it.  I think a main feature about drum corps is to heighten one's 
awareness of different types of music.  I mean, how many people want to
hear West Side Story played by another corps??  I love to hear things
I would never have listened to in the first place instead of a piect 
that a million corps have played.

Only my opinion


Rob Dorocke
(rdorocke@ucs.indiana.edu)
From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Phantom's drill writer in 93, Star's music in 93
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:07:37 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

tmv@cupid.cc.bellcore.com (vandewater,thomas m) writes:

>In article <Dec.14.16.23.44.1992.19256@andromeda.rutgers.edu>, dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:
>> tmv@cupid.cc.bellcore.com (vandewater,thomas m) writes:
>> 
>> >Yes folks, Phantom will have a new drill designer for 1993.  The
>> >new writer is Tony Hall, 
>> 
>> [stuff deleted]
>> 
>> 
>> GOD HELP THE PHANTOM REGIMENT IN '93!!!!!!!!!!

>OK Ken, why do you think this?  Did you not like Cadets 86 show?


Exactly!  The '86 Cadets show was their worst one in 10 years '82-'92.
The only exception would be their '91 show which I did not like in June 
or August.

However, there are other reasons.  He took a 3rd place WGI Open Class
finalist guard, the 1984 New York Royal Guardsmen, and turned them into
a 12th place Open Class finalist in '85 with that lame Japanese show.

He also took over the 1983 DCA Champion Sunrisers (where I marched) and
wrote their disastrous '84 show among others.

I have not been impressed at all with any of his work to say the least.
Phantom will be the next victim.  We will have to wait and see next summer
if I will be proven wrong.  I am simply going on what I have seen over the
past decade.

Ken
From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Open letter to Scott Monroe
Date: 11 Dec 1992 18:58:51 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <18224001@um.cc.umich.edu> R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu writes:
> 
>I saw your name on the alt.drumcorps/rec.arts.marching.drumcorps list of
>current corps members as a mellophone player in the Glassmen.  I'm a big
>fan of the Glassmen and was wondering how they were doing.  The Boston
>Crusaders on the Net are making a lot of noise about their progress, but
>you and others have been silent about the Glassmen.  I'm worried that the
>BAC may leapfrog over you into finals.

Eventhough I'm BAC, I'll respond.  Maybe the Glassmen are saying "you talk
the talk, but do you walk the walk?".  I don't think BAC people are trying
to over-inflate ourselves, I think that we all are just very inthusiastic
about next summer.  It will all come out in the wash when everyone steps
onto the field in May-August.

> 
>If your Drum Major is the same as last year (a pretty woman from Indiana St.),
>tell her hello for me.  Tell her I was the one who talked to her at the
>Wyandotte show and told her that I thought Glassmen would beat Bluecoats
>that night (you did, too--first time since 1983).
> 
>Go Bottle Blue!
> 
>Vince

--David
-- 
 Spirit '88      |"So get off your butt and ride."      |     _,-~o     |
 BAC    '93      |"It's the motor that wins the races." |    _-\_<,     |
                 |               E-mail ddm@wpi.wpi.edu |   (*)/'(*)    |
From: matthews@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Thomas W. Matthews)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: informal survey (cross-posting from alt.drumcorps):
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:17:28 GMT
Organization: Division of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science, UC Davis

How about Sky Riders and "Over the Rainbow"?

I was glad to hear them play it at retreat in Sacramento in 1991.

Tom Matthews
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From: bjh42543@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian J. Haag)
Subject: Re: Phantom drum staff
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 06:00:42 GMT

dsn41188@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (david nirschl) writes:



>Well, I'm no expert on this, but I thought people might be interested...
>The drum staff for Phantom looks something like

>	Jeff Prosperie	 	Perc. designer, caption head
>	Pat Fitzgerald		Toms
>	Steve McDonald		Pit
>	Kandra Summerhill	Bass

>All I really know about this staff is that they are all from the University
>of North Texas drumline staff.

>-dave nirschl

Also, I think Prosperie has been snare tech there a couple of years.  Does
anyone know what they're doing for '93?  I've heard from members that last
summer the staff was throwing around The Rite of Spring and Shostakovitch
Symphony #5.  Anyone else have info?



-- 
______________________________________________________________________________
Brian J. Haag                                    Senior, Department of Finance
bjh42543@uiuc.edu                                       University of Illinois 
       "Remember:  No matter where you go, there you are." -- Anonymous
From: cf123@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher Leigh Putnam)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Having trouble getting posts ror rec.marching?
Date: 19 Dec 1992 06:58:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I ave no pronblem getting rec...marching, but I did have trouble at
one point getting posts on a regular basis and I never got the m all.
It seems that at my school, after their disks get full, they stop receiving
the posts.  So I was almost always short a few posts.

This is how I solved it: I gave up on my news system.  I heard from a friend
about the Cleveland-Freenet.  It is completely free and is basically a
menu driven UNIX system.  They get ALL the news groups on Usenet AND they
get ALL the posts on each group!!!  If you are interested in this system,
write me some email and I'll tell you all you need to know.  It does
more than just usenet, like it has some on line books (like the Bible-
stuff with no copyright problems) and other interesting stuff.

If you would like more info, just driop me a line.  It is wonderful
to be anble to get ALL the posts for a change!!
-- 
Chris Putnam (still a Blue Devils lover at heart)
Euphonium/Baritone
Star in '93?????
Go Devils Winterguard!!!!!
From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Phantom's drill writer in 93, Star's music in 93
Date: 16 Dec 1992 17:13:28 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1992Dec15.174519.6472@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> tmv@cupid.cc.bellcore.com (vandewater,thomas m) writes:
>In article <Dec.14.16.23.44.1992.19256@andromeda.rutgers.edu>, dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:
>> tmv@cupid.cc.bellcore.com (vandewater,thomas m) writes:
>> 
>> >Yes folks, Phantom will have a new drill designer for 1993.  The
>> >new writer is Tony Hall, 
>> 
>> [stuff deleted]
>> 
>> 
>> GOD HELP THE PHANTOM REGIMENT IN '93!!!!!!!!!!
>
>OK Ken, why do you think this?  Did you not like Cadets 86 show?

Maybe because it sounded like Tony Hall has been totally out of the scene
since '86.  A lot has changed since '86.

>Tom
>---

--David


-- 
 Spirit '88      |"So get off your butt and ride."      |     _,-~o     |
 BAC    '93      |"It's the motor that wins the races." |    _-\_<,     |
                 |               E-mail ddm@wpi.wpi.edu |   (*)/'(*)    |
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From: pm860605@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Peter J. McKinney)
Subject: Re: SameO Tunes
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:52:17 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University

In article <pm860605.27.724448015@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu> pm860605@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Peter J. McKinney) writes:
>From: pm860605@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Peter J. McKinney)
>Subject: Re: SameO Tunes
>Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:33:35 GMT
>In article <1992Dec15.124308.1@d0gs03.fnal.gov> jerger@d0gs03.fnal.gov writes:
>>From: jerger@d0gs03.fnal.gov
>>Subject: Re: SameO Tunes
>>Date: 15 Dec 92 18:43:08 GMT
>>In article <1992Dec15.010337.9406@iscsvax.uni.edu>, dostal2060@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>
>>> [misc. stuff deleted]
>>
>>Another important (to me anyhow) one - 1982 drum solos. Two-Seven and Spirit both 
>>did Blue Rondo a la Turk - I liked 27th's way better.
>>
>>
>>Steve
>
>That's because Two-Seven's battery actually played.... ;-)
>
>- Pete
>

Oops - I was thinking of 1980.... Two-Seven and *Madison* played Blue Rondo
and Madison's version was basically a keyboard solo...  

It's terrible to have to follow up your own post..... :-)

- Pete

____________________________________________________________________________
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From: jerger@d0msu6.fnal.gov
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Phantom's drill writer in 93, Star's music in 93ex
Date: 18 Dec 92 11:21:20 -0600
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
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In article <Dec.18.10.49.32.1992.19697@andromeda.rutgers.edu>, dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:
> jerger@d0msu6.fnal.gov writes:
> 
> 
> [stuff deleted]
> 
> 
>>As a matter of fact, this *has* happened before - not in Finals, but in '88
>>we met PR for the first time in Cheyenne. They were the first midwest 
>>corps we saw, supposedly were doing real well in the midwest shows, and 
>>that night we clobbered them by two points, and by about .5 or so in drums.
>>It was the only victory show we did that year, and it was sweet. From what I
>>hear of the critique that night, Marty Hurley & Co. were having quite a
>>screamfest. But then the next show we were tied, and the show after
>>that we were two points behind them, etc... I remember a staffer saying
>>"Welcome to the Midwest... this is where the rollercoaster ride starts."
>>They were a better line and a better corps, just dirty, but it was nice
>>for a time; first (and last?) time we ever beat Phantom...
>>    Ok, Ken, go back to sleep, it was a long time ago, just a distant dream
>>now... you'll wake up tomorrow and the world will be right side up again :-)
> 
> 
> There you are Steve!  I was wondering where you have been?  Busy studying
> I guess.

    I've posted a few times, but until recently I had a wonky newsreader
which made it hard to post, so I've been reading a lot more than writing.
> 
> 
> So what is on tap for VK '93.  Let's see.  Maybe a Madonna show picking
> up where her book left off?  PSYCHE!!!!

It wouldn't be a Mystery Tour show - there's not much mystery left after the 
book, I hear... (and she's hardly Magical, except in earning power) :-)
    Seriously, I will be heading home for the holidays soon and am sure to run
into some BD, SCV, and VK folk, so I'll see what I can find out about 
what/how/who that hasn't been posted yet - so you can run out for paint and
posterboard and start making protest signs for Finals, Ken!! :-) :-)


> 
> 
> In any event, have a good holiday season!!!
> 
> 
> Ken

You too, and all else in rec.marching land...

Steve


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