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From: jpolizzi@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (joe polizzi)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer
Subject: Re: Developers' Assistance Program
Keywords: DAP CD
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:30:26 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

drkszk@ocf.berkeley.edu (Derek Suzuki) writes:

> 	Hello all.  I'm wondering just how open the DAP is.  What do
> I have to do to get in?  I really do plan on developing software, but
> in the past I've found it hard to deal with IBM as a non-corporate
> individual.  Also, I know the number has been posted a few times, but
> could someone send it to me again?
> 	A couple of reports on the contents of the developers' CD-ROM
> say it includes TCP/IP.  Is this just the base product or does it include
> NFS, X, and the libraries?  Can the CD be read by a DOS system for
> transfer to floppies?
> 	Thanks for any help.
> 
> 	Derek Suzuki
> 

The DAP is opened up quite a bit with the advent of the NEW
Worldwide DAP. The CD does contain the latest beta of TCP/IP. 
As far as the other stuff is concerned I can say this: the initial
shipment of the DAP CD disappeared quickly. John Soyring has called
this first issue a 'test pressing.' NOW THE GOOD NEWS... The next
"burn" of the CD will be available after October 18th. Initially, they
will be distributed at the OS/2 Developer Conference in NY.

The basic plan, according to what John has posted on Compuserve, is
that there will be a continued effort on the part of IBM to deliver
betas via the CD ROM Medium to developers. The new WWDAP will make
it easier for developers to get hands on looks at the betas. 
Officially the launch date for the new DAP will be the 18th, although
applications may be accepted now. A support channel is being set up
through Compuserve as well. The real requirements are a desire to write 
some cool new OS/2 code <g>!

You will still have to request the beta CD once you have joined the 
WWDAP. There will be an online way to sign up for the DAP through
Compuserve on or around the 18th (so I'm told).
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer
From: giguere@csg.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Giguere)
Subject: Re: SOM compiler gotcha with implied metaclasses
Organization: Computer Systems Group, University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:41:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.181828.26332@njitgw.njit.edu> dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
>How hard is it to use separate compilation and keep most (if not all)
>of your own C code out of the files generated by the SOM compiler?
>This way, CSC files wouldn't munge any of your code.

Well, it's not really hard.  This is what I'm doing now... I don't let the
SOM compiler generate any C code for me.  I just make sure my methods
are defined exactly as if the SOM compiler generated them.  Still, that
problem I had with the implied metaclasses can still bite you if you're not
careful.  I'm putting all the metaclass stuff in a separate file.

-- 
 Eric Giguere                                    giguere@csg.UWaterloo.CA
          So is Windows NT short for "Windows, NOT?"
From: hank@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer
Subject: Re: Free Pascal Compiler for OS/2?
Date: 11 Oct 92 16:49:33 GMT
Organization: Auburn University, AL

In article <1992Oct11.161726@ips.cs.tu-bs.de>, koschel@ips.cs.tu-bs.de (Arne Koschel) writes:
> Does anybody know about a PD or Shareware Pascal compiler for OS/2 (2.0)?

You could use Pascal-to-C, p2c. Then use EMX/gcc (a GNU C compiler). This
is not for the student of Pascal, but it may help in porting software.

Caution: The lib for p2c was done with EMX 0.8d. Someone mentioned that 
the lib will need to be re-compiled with EMX/gcc 0.8e. I have tested only
under 0.8d, so I cannot confirm. However, recompilation seems to agree
with the docs for EMX.

You can find this stuff on ftp-os2.nmsu.edu in pub/os2/2.0/programming/.
Note again that this is not an "easy" pascal. Some expertise in GNU software
may be helpful in getting this running (although, if I can do it, then most
any mammal will be able to get it working).

--darrel hankerson hank@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer
From: seg@Ingres.COM (scott e garfinkle)
Subject: Re: Vio buffer pointer question
Organization: Ingres, an Ask Company
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:53:18 GMT

In article <1998@acf5.NYU.EDU> checker@acf5.NYU.EDU (checker) writes:
>I'm trying to get some Vio code working without any manuals (it was so
>nice of IBM to include no documentation on the freaking API in the
>WorkSet) and I'm having some trouble with direct video writes.
Get the OS/2 1.3 programmer manual (fro MS Press) volume 3.  This has what
you need.  You might try to scrounge up a v1.x PTK fro IBM, as this
should have the stuff online.	
	-seg
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer
From: harris@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Harris)
Subject: Re: Receiving LN_ENTER with a LS_MULTIPLESEL listbox?
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 02:07:55 GMT

Given what you want to do, you might want to consider using a container
control instead of a listbox if you are writing a 2.0 only app.

______________________________________________________________________________
     Michael Harris - harris@catt.ncsu.edu or harris@carvm3.vnet.ibm.com
 System Administrator, Computer & Technologies Theme Program, NC State Univ.
(My opinions are my own and do not represent those of NCSU or IBM Corporation)
From: Mike.Lempriere@f1.n100.z60.wlink.nl (Mike Lempriere)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer
Subject: Dual Monitors (Mono/Trident 8900 VGA) Problem
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:21:03 -0100

Organization: NetWorx

!!! HELP !!!

I have read this entire file and tried everything I can.

I CANNOT get my F***ing Trident 8900 card to deal with any of the drivers
downloaded from hobbes.  No matter what I've done, I always end up with
a blank screen after the logo.

One strangeness I've observed -- has anyone else seen this?
When I type DDINSTAL from an os/2 window, it just seems to sit there
for a while.  I bring up another window to look around, and up comes
DDINSTAL.  I've not tried reall hard to figure this out...  Is it normal
for DDINSTAL to take a while to come up?

I've removed the card jumper for 72hz.  I've gone to a full-screen-DOS-
session and done SVGA ON.  (The settings in SVGAData.pmi DID change after
the 72hz jumper removal.)  The pmi file appears to be meaningful -- it
says "Trindent 8900" call over it.  I checked the chip number -- it is
an "C" version.
I've pulled out all other cards (obviously exceppt for the IDE hard-disk
 card), to make sure it's not a strange conflict.  No difference.
I've downloaded all the files from hobbes again, via a different computer,
unzipped, and DIFFed them.  No differences, transmission must've been ok.
I've used DDINSTAL, I've copied the files directly over
\OS2\DLL\DISPLAY.DLL while under OS/2 1.3.
I've installed (and had to uninstall) all the contents of:
  VSVGA.ZIP
  TR256FIX.ZIP
  TRID_FIX.ZIP
I'm on a 486-33mhz, 16mgRAM, 256k cache 70nS, 2 210mg ide drives,
Svga color, trident8900C.  DOS 4.01 FAT partition C:, OS/2 1.3 partition
also on C:, os/2 2.0 partition D:.

Anything I missed?  Please e-mail me at mikel@networx.com.
I will summarize replies here.  Thanks in advance...

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer
From: dp@hydra.carleton.ca (Dave Perry VE3IFB)
Subject: DAP CD in Canada?
Organization: O.A.R.C. Packet Working Group at Carleton University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:33:10 GMT


Hi,

Does anyone know how to get the DAP CD sent to a Canadian address? I called the
US 800 number and they told me they couldn't do it. This is a worldwide
developers assistance program, isn't it?

This may be answered in the faq 2.0f, but as others have pointed out it is
not yet available on 128.123.35.151.

Thanks,
Dave

-- 
Dave Perry                  | Any opinions stated here are mine
dp@hydra.carleton.ca        | and have nothing to do with Carleton University
ve3ifb@ve3jf.#eon.on.noam   |
From: Barry.King@ttlg.UUCP (Barry King)
Sender: postmaster@ttlg.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer
Subject: DLLs and LIBPATH (Was: Re: Minor wishlist item: any IBMers out there?)
Date: 11 Oct 92  23:56:17 mst

In a msg on <Oct 07 14:36>, -Unknown- of 42:1000/2 writes:

 -> In article <1992Oct6.214026.3576@networx.com> mikel@networx.com 
 -> (Mike Lempriere) writes:

< other stuff deleted >

>>Worst yet, the greatest insult of them all, is that the poor clod has
>>to reboot.  Real computers, with real OS's reboot when the power comes
>>back on, and that's it.  I thought a 486 with OS/2 wass real.  Wrong.

 ->   This isn't necessary if your system is set up properly.  For
 -> example, change libpath in config.sys to:

 -> LIBPATH=/os2/dll:/usr/lib:.

 ->   Then, when a new program requires a shared library, move the 
 -> dll into /usr/lib.  You don't have to reboot.  Or just run the
 ->  program from a CLI window, with the executable and dll in the 
 -> current directory.

While a properly set up system can avoid the rebooting issue in many cases, you've gotta admit it'd be nice to change the DLL search path on the fly, or even the PATH for that matter.  This is something I've yearned for since way back.  So far, that feature and asynchronous input queues are about the only things I admire about NT...maybe IBM will implement these features (hint, hint).

Regards,
 
Barry

 * Origin: The OS/2 Connection - Edmonton, Alberta, Canada (42:100/31)
Xref: sparky comp.os.os2.programmer:5719 comp.os.os2.misc:33060
From: kiehl@ibt013.ibt.kfa-juelich.de (Horst Kiehl)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer,comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Example code to insert cmd files in startup folder
Keywords: exit, REXX
Date: 16 Oct 92 10:06:54 GMT
Reply-To: kiehl@ibt013.ibt.kfa-juelich.de (Horst Kiehl)
Followup-To: comp.os.os2.programmer
Organization: Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH (KFA), Germany

In article <3kqosB2w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>,
rob@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Robert Rittenhouse) writes:

>dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:

>>  Be sure to end the
>> file with an "exit" statement or the window will remain open at a
>> prompt.

> The OS/2 Command
>Window stays open even though the file ends with EXIT.  What am I
>missing here:   Code follows
>/* Clear startup programs from OS2.INI */            
> call RxFuncAdd 'SysIni','RexxUtil','SysIni'         
> call SysIni,'PM_WorkPlace:Restart','DELETE:'        
> call SysIni,'FolderworkareaRunningObjects','DELETE:'
> exit                                                

The EXIT meant by David Charlap is the command, not the REXX statement.

When the OS/2 command interpreter (CMD.EXE) sees that the *.CMD file
starts with /*, it calls REXX to interpret the file, processing only the
commands it gets from there. Otherwise, CMD.EXE processes the file
itself.

Your example code is a REXX program. The CALLs in it are REXX
instructions (calling OS/2-specific REXX subroutines). The EXIT at it's
end is the REXX instruction to exit the program. To exit CMD.EXE, the
REXX program has to pass to it the command requesting this, which has the
same name as the REXX instruction.

Replace the line

   exit

with the line

   'EXIT'

(you could type it lowercase, but this way it's easier to distinguish).

Best wishes,

Horst
From: David.Feustel@f1.n100.z60.wlink.nl (David Feustel)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer
Subject: Hey IBM!!! Where are DHCALLS.LIB and ADDCALLS.LIB???
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:51:50 -0100

Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting

I need these to files to be able to recompile the os/2 disk driver to
support a controller at the alternate disk anddress and different IRQ.
How can I get them? They ought to be in the IBM OS/2 Device Driver
Development Kit which I would like to get a copy of. How do I get it?
-- 
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
 
[.sig on vacation]

Xref: sparky comp.os.os2.programmer:5670 comp.os.os2.misc:32922
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer,comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Example code to insert cmd files in startup folder
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:40:04 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <92283.195245RONY@awiwuw11.wu-wien.ac.at> RONY@awiwuw11.wu-wien.ac.at (FLATSCHER Rony) writes:
>Larry:
>
>We are backlogged a week, so you might know the answer already.
>
>Create e.g. an OS/2-window-object, open the object-menu, choose open
>settings, choose program.
>
>Save the settings.
>
>Move or shadow the object to the Startup-folder.

You can also create a file called STARTUP.CMD in the root of your boot
volume.  This is the old (OS/2 1.2) way of starting up apps, but it
works.  You just "start" or "detach" apps from it.  Be sure to end the
file with an "exit" statement or the window will remain open at a
prompt.

-- 
David Charlap         |"there aren't 50,000 things for which it's worth writing
dic5340@hertz.njit.edu| software; and the computer industry doesn't have enough
----------------------+ programmers to create that much good software.
Therefore, most of it must be worthless" -- Boris Beizer "The Frozen Keyboard"
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer
From: aaa@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Simon Fowler)
Subject: Re: EPM question
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:48:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Atlanta GA

In article <1992Oct15.061346.17180@watson.ibm.com>, Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.com> writes:
> In  <1992Oct14.124919.29880@ennews.eas.asu.edu>  ejohnson@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Eric R. Johnson) writes:
> > I'm trying to learn EPM, and was wondering if I can get it to turn off the
> > display of ASCII TAB _w/o_ turning off tabs and using spaces.
> 
> Sorry, no, the tab always displays as a (variable-width) tab character
> (ASCII 9).

When I pull up a file with tabs in it, I get the tabs showing as 'o' symbols (for want of
a better description). I can erase these and then insert more tabs, basically just replacing
the existing tabs. These do not show up, either during this session or if I save the file
and re-edit it. How can we get this behaviour all the time?

simon.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer
From: postma@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (WARREN POSTMA)
Subject: MS C v7 OS/2 hosted add-on (C7OS2.ZIP)
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:24:07 GMT
Keywords: MS C V7 C7OS2.ZIP FTP 

I got the C7OS2.ZIP file from FTP-OS2.NMSU.EDU and was unable to unpack
it using PkZip  (OS/2 1.0, DOS v. 1.1) or by using the freeware Zip UnZip
packages, or by using the OS/2 'X.exe' program.

what was used to ZIP this file and how can I unzip it?

Warren
  Postma

[please send EMAIL reply, thank you.]
 


Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer
From: mikel@networx.com (Mike Lempriere)
Subject: Re: I need a c/c++ compiler and debugger for OS2 2.0
Organization: NetWorx
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:35:30 GMT

I've used Zortech with OS/2 1.3 for quite a while at work.
The debugger is very powerful.  On extremely large programs, however,
it is kinda slow.
I recall my boss saying it doesn't work under OS/2 2.0  I've used
both the compiler and debugger under 2.0 just fine -- I think he
might have meant that the debugger won't deal with 32 bit code.
From: KENKAHN@PKSMRVM.VNET.IBM.COM (Kenneth A. Kahn)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 04:46:57 EDT
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer
Subject: Re: Installing Interrupt Service Routines under OS/2 2.0
Organization: Staff of IBM Fellow - IBM Personal/370
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: UReply 3.0
X-X-From: KENKAHN@PKSMRVM.VNET.IBM.COM (Ken Kahn)

In <1bkdi1INN7cq@eagle.natinst.com> Malathi Ramdas writes:
>   I am writing a charater based instrument control device driver for OS/2 2.0.
>I am using the C callable DevHlp functions using drvlib.lib file. I use the SetIRQ
>to install the interrupt service routine. I have followed the procedures as is
>stated in the book (Writing OS/2 device drivers in C) and the sample programs. But
>For some reason the interrupt service routine is not getting installed. I know
>that there is no interrupt conflict and when I check the bits in our
>instrument control board's registers that should have caused the interrupt I
>see that they are set. But for some reason the ISR never gets invoked (maybe
>b'cos it never got installed). The SetIRQ function which I call during initia
>lization time returns without any error indicating that the ISR was installed
>successfully. Would any device driver expert know what could be missing in
>my device driver that is causing this problem?
>   Thanks
>Malti Ramdas
>

Most devices have an Enable/Disable bit/flag one of it's registers/ports.
See if your device has such a bit/flag and enable it for interrupts.
From: ameline@vnet.ibm.com (Ian Ameline)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 16:46:59 EDT
Subject: Re: os2 development
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer
Organization: C-Set/2 Development, IBM Canada Lab.
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM

In article <sal8.65.719257901@po.cwru.edu>,
sal8@po.cwru.edu (Steve Luzynski) writes:
>1) IBM C Set/2 with Toolkit/2 and Workframe/2. This is IBM's offering. Pros:
>It's real IBM, has excellent online help, and lots of support via the
>various IBM guys that hang out around here. Also, it's on sale for $395 (
>list $800 something) via the Compuserve OS/2 forums. Cons: Big (but then all
>C compilers are) and no C++.

   It's $375, and regular price is $895. To order, call 1-800-3IBMOS2.
We're working on C++, and class libraries -- this will be going into
beta test in Nov '92, and generally available in early '93.

Regards,
Ian Ameline.
From: john.navas@uttsbbs.uucp (John Navas)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer
Subject: Re: I need info about IBM
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:57:00 GMT
Reply-To: john.navas@uttsbbs.uucp (John Navas)
Organization: The Transfer Station BBS, Danville, CA - 510-837-4610/837-5591


 > But who can afford a CD-ROM drive?
 > I blew it all on 486, memory, hard-drive, monitor, etc...
 > Maybe next year...

The OS/2-Win31 beta (but not the PDK tools) is also available on
floppies.  Or you could get the PDK CD-ROM and dump it to floppies on
a friend's system.

Best regards,
John
From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer
Subject: Re: how to run unix shell scripts
Date: 11 Oct 92 02:08:40 GMT
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting

hank@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:

> Gerd Grasshoff writes:
>> I would like to use the emx-package to port unix programmes to os2. As far as
>>  I can see there is no direct way to run shell scripts. Is there a cure?

>Do one of the following:

>1. Get sh164, ported by Kai Uwe Rommel, at ftp-os2.nmsu.edu in
>pub/os2/all/gnu/.

>2. Get ms_sh200 from simtel20.army.mil in pd1:<msdos.sysutl> (?). There is
>an OS/2 1.x--2.0 version in the archive. This port is by Stewartson.

>3. Get the ksh alpha, ported by Kai Uwe Rommel, from ftp-os2.nmsu.edu in
>pub/uploads/gnu+other/.

>sh164 and ms_sh200 have problems with long command lines. ms_sh apparently
>can be re-compiled to use other forms of argument passing (provided the called
>program understands these). Oh, I wish someone would do the re-compilation...

The MKS Toolkit for dos and/or os/2 includes the Korn shell and makes both
dos and os/2 99% compatibility with unix utilities and unix [k]sh
scripts.  I recommend it highly. MKS can be reached at 1-800-265-2797.
-- 
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
 
[.sig on vacation]
From: xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer
Subject: VIO (WINDOWCOMPAT) marking (was Re: Bound Executables)
Date: 17 Oct 92 02:25:05 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In <Bw7yHF.3JH@scd.hp.com> kitchin@avo.hp.com (Bruce Kitchin) writes:

>The other way (after the fact) is to run the utility MARKEXE (this
>comes with MSC and with C SET/2).  You run it as:
            ^^^not in my copy

>   Markexe WINDOWCOMPAT  <prog>.exe

This must be the C Set/2 way, because the program that comes with MSC is
called EXEHDR, and the syntax is:

EXEHDR /PMTYPE:VIO  <prog>.exe

or

EXEHDR /PMTYPE:WINDOWCOMPAT <prog>.exe

Actually, I haven't tried the second one of these--it may have something
to do with MS-Windows.  The first one definitely sets the OS/2
WINDOWCOMPAT bit in the header.  It's easier to type, so there's no
reason to bother with the second method.  :-)

Typing EXEHDR with no arguments will give you a list of all the options
to this program.  
-- 
Chris Waters    | the insane don't | NOBODY for President!
xtifr@netcom.COM| need disclaimers | Because Nobody's perfect!!
From: sal8@po.cwru.edu (Steve Luzynski)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer
Subject: Programmer's Editors
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:11:49 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
NNTP-Posting-Host: b61442.student.cwru.edu

Fellow programmers:

 As a warm up project for OS/2 programming (as I got really spoiled with 
ObjectWindows and am rusty on doing everything myself) I'm writing a PM 
programmer's editor (thinking specifically of working under Workframe with 
CSet/2). I wanted to get some feedback on what everyone likes in an editor, 
i.e. - features.

I've got some stuff on the list already:
Autoindent (of course)
Split windows on the same or different files in 1 instance of the editor
drag 'n drop editing
pick yer own colors
and maybe keyword highlighting (like in Borland's windows based editors)

Any other ideas? This will probably be a freeware release when I finish as I 
haven't really seen any decent editors laying around free for the 
asking.  (And don't tell me about EPM. I hate it.)
From: hank@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer
Subject: Re: how to run unix shell scripts
Date: 10 Oct 92 23:28:22 GMT
Organization: Auburn University, AL

In article <grasshof.718739811@rzdspc1>, grasshof@rzdspc1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Gerd Grasshoff) writes:
>  I would like to use the emx-package to port unix programmes to os2. As far as
>  I can see there is no direct way to run shell scripts. Is there a cure?

Do one of the following:

1. Get sh164, ported by Kai Uwe Rommel, at ftp-os2.nmsu.edu in
pub/os2/all/gnu/.

2. Get ms_sh200 from simtel20.army.mil in pd1:<msdos.sysutl> (?). There is
an OS/2 1.x--2.0 version in the archive. This port is by Stewartson.

3. Get the ksh alpha, ported by Kai Uwe Rommel, from ftp-os2.nmsu.edu in
pub/uploads/gnu+other/.

sh164 and ms_sh200 have problems with long command lines. ms_sh apparently
can be re-compiled to use other forms of argument passing (provided the called
program understands these). Oh, I wish someone would do the re-compilation...

--darrel hankerson hank@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer
From: lum@dds4.uucp (Michael Lum)
Subject: Re: DAP CD in Canada?
Organization: Digital Dispatch Systems, Richmond BC
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 17:08:38 GMT

Call IBM Canada Customer Relations: 1-800-465-6600 and tell them
that you want to join the OS/2 2.0 DAP.  The first person I talked
to gave me the number of IBM Direct (1-800-465-7999) which was WRONG.
The second person took my name, address and phone number and told me
they would pass it on and that it might take 5 days.  BUT the same
day they called me back, I should be getting the info in the mail in
a couple of days.

Good luck!
-- 
Michael Lum                                        | dds4!lum@wimsey.bc.ca |
Digital Dispatch Systems, Richmond BC              |   Fax: (604) 270 9160 |