HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: AH.PBL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Patcom Team)
Subject: Re: Quayle on Homosexuality
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:16:43 GMT


>The President "will have a policy of nondiscrimination," Mr.
>Quayle said.

A new quote to add to his collection...

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

May our nation continue to be the beakon of hope to the world.
                -- The Quayle's 1989 Christmas card.
                   [Not a beacon of literacy, though.]

Republicans understand the importance of bondage between a mother and child.

Hawaii has always been a very pivotal role in the Pacific.  It is IN
the Pacific.  It is a part of the United States that is an island that
is right here.
                   Hawaii, September 1989

What a terrible thing to have lost one's mind.  Or not to have a mind
at all.  How true that is.
                -- Vice President Dan Quayle winning friends while
                   speaking to the United Negro College Fund

You all look like happy campers to me.  Happy campers you are, happy
campers you have been, and, as far as I am concerned, happy campers you
will always be.
                -- Vice President Dan Quayle, to the American Samoans,
                   whose capital Quayle pronounces "Pogo Pogo"

One word sums up probably the responsibility of any vice president,
and that one word is 'to be prepared'.

If we do not succeed, then we run the risk of failure.
                -- Vice President Dan Quayle, to the Phoenix Republican
                   Forum, March 1990

[I will never have] another Jimmy Carter grain embargo, Jimmy,
Jimmy Carter, Jimmy Carter grain embargo, Jimmy Carter grain embargo.
                -- Vice President Dan Quayle during the Bentson debate

We're going to have the best-educated American people in the
world.

I've never professed to be anything but an average student.
                -- Vice President Dan Quayle during the
                   VP debate in Omaha, Nebraska (10/88)

The destruction, it is just very heart-rendering.
                -- Vice President Dan Quayle attempting to say the
                  SF earthquake wreckage was heart-rending
                  (Newsweek 10/30/89)

I stand by all the misstatements that I've made.
                -- Vice President Dan Quayle, stating the obvious.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: Re: The Harrassing Phone Calls Can Stop NOW!
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 19:11:13 GMT

In article <12272@optilink.UUCP> walsh@optilink.UUCP (Mark Walsh) writes:
} I find it sad that some gays are now trying to get their fingers
} into this pie.  I don't believe that gays are mentally disadvantaged,
} and as such do not need bailout programs.  I can see it now:
} 
} Joe Worker A:  So you passed the big test, eh?
} Joe Worker B:  No, I'm gay, so I got an exemption.

That depends on what the test is.  If it's an unfair test made so that a gay  
person would never pass, guess what ...

} The person with the private business who will not give
} service to blacks and gays will lose the business of blacks,
} gays, you, me, and most good people.  I call this economic
} darwinism.  As a landlord, I will rent to any gay or black
} person who seems to be a fit tenant.  If some turkeys down
} the street won't rent to blacks and gays, that is their
} loss and my gain.

That sounds very generous of you in theory.  But how many "yous" are there  
compared to "thems"?  You plan on building a chain nationwide?

} A few years back, I went into a very gay restaurant in
} San Francisco.  They would not serve me, because I was
} 'not their type.'  I went down the street to Cafe Trieste
} which did serve me.  I reflected upon this, and I thought
} that it was great that the workers of the first restaurant
} had actually exercised their right to do business with who
} they please.

That's wondeful.  Some gays DO stoop to the same stupidity as their hetero  
counterparts.  Are gays supposed to be somewhat "better" or more politically  
correct than someone else.  I think that's more stereotypical than anything  
else ...

} I implore you to resist legislation granting special
} governmental priviledges to gays.  While the government
} should never discrimate against anybody (as they now do
} in the military), to grant special priviledges would only
} serve to drive a wedge between those who have said
} priviledges, and those who have not.  Let those of us who
} desire to treat each other as equals, do so without
} governmental intervention.

In other words, leave it up to a homophobic majority to treat gays with equity.   
Is it me, or does that sound really dumb?

Donald
Xref: sparky soc.motss:38845 ba.motss:1584
From: cep@taligent.com (Christophe Pettus)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,ba.motss
Subject: 1993 Pride Day Committee Contact?
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:51:38 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Taligent, a little subsidiary of two really big companies.

I need to contact the 1993 Gay Pride Day Committee.  If someone could
e-mail me their address and telephone number, I would be most grateful
(e-mail much preferred; I don't normally read these groups).
--
-- Christophe

"Black is the color of non-conformity.  Everyone has to have it."
	T-shirt company executive
From: jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: PACTA, Barcelona, Sept 21-24
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:12:32 GMT
Organization: 3L Ltd, 86/92 Causewayside, Edinburgh EH9 1PY, UK


Is anyone going to PACTA in Barcelona next week?

I shall be there on the 3L stand, cursing my sore feet.
I'd be more than happy to see a friendly face...

--John
From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: NEWSWEEK POLL: Plurality of Americans support GAY RIGHTS
Date: 12 Sep 1992 09:53:40 -0400
Organization: P.L.T.S., North Plainfield, New Jersey, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: plts.uucp

[ can anyone name 'special rights' ]

I've pinned people down on "name one 'special right' that homosexuals
want" and the only issue they have ever been able to come up with was
the scare tactic that "they want hiring quotas".

Luckily this was in respect to the NJ Gay Rights Bill (A634) and I was
able to come back with "but the bill expressly states that this may not
be interpreted to require quota-based hiring".

It seems that there are a couple things in the NJ bill that were put in
their to directly address the 'phobes.  Do the other bills include them?

Off the top of my head I can think of:
1.  Define "sexual or affectional orientation".
2.  Explicitly exclude "religious institutions."
3.  Explicitly exclude families that rent <3 rooms out of their house.
4.  Explicitly exclude businesses with <5 (?) employees.
5.  Explicitly state that the law can not be used to require quota-based
    hiring.
6.  Discrimination can not be proved based on statistics. (You can't
    sue because <10% of the staff is gay and therefore by the law of
    averages you must be discriminating).

The only scare-tactic that A634 didn't forstall against was "companies
will be required to allow transvestites to go to work in DRAG!!!" but
there is already a law in NJ saying that companies have the right to
dictate a dress code.  The "common questions that your constituents might
ask" flyer sent to the congressmen included this information.

So, does anyone know if the other bills (passed or proposed) have such
things included?

Tom
-- 
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@plts.uucp (home) -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work)
"Families should be more like the Waltons instead of the Simpsons" -G. Bush;
"But we *are* like the Waltons: we're waiting for the Depression to end,
too!" -B. Simpson 8/20;    S7/2 b+ g l+ y z- n++ o++ x++ a-- u+ v+ j+ PIG8/5
Xref: sparky soc.motss:38788 talk.politics.misc:44781 ca.politics:7630
From: pentangl@spdcc.com (Scott Moir)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: The Harrassing Phone Calls Can Stop NOW!
Date: 11 Sep 92 11:43:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep11.114305.11335
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <12234@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.085725.19348@quantime.co.uk>, roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:
># 
># So, Clayton, you're saying that you can't take homosexuals seriously
># because you feel they persist in making untrue claims about you,
># despite your repeated rebuttals?
># Now, ever wondered why we don't take *you* seriously?
>
>I don't have to make bizarre claims about homosexuals -- they
>make the claims for me.

Nice attempt at a dodge. You are resisting having the rules that you 
want applied to others applied to you.

># # Not at all, and I would vigorously
># # oppose (by all means necessary) any such effort to exterminate
># # homosexuals.
># 
># Such as handing over what you think is damning evidence
># to those people who want to legislate us out of existence?
>
>Oh?  Can you provide some examples?  I have yet to hear any of
>the fundamentalists argue for extermination of homosexuals.

Examples? Sure.. no problem. You threatened to send copies of things
from soc.motss to people connected to the groups in Oregon who are
working on passing legislation against homosexuals.  It is a matter
of public record.

(Not even mentioning that this is a public forum, and if the OCA
cared they would have transcripts anyway. It isn't like you need
a code word to get here.)

The quote wasn't exterminate, by the way.. it was legislate.

># # But the homosexual desire to be a victim is so strong, that it
># # becomes necessary to demonize everyone that doesn't pat homosexuals
># # on the head and say, "Keep it up."
># 
># Clayton, how come you know more about my desires than I do?
>
>Because I'm not emotionally involved with you, unlike you.

Oh please... by your logic, that would put you in a prime position
to know the desires of every other person on the planet. Ever consider
the position of "El Presidente for Life"?

># (And how come you know so much about victim complexes?)
>
>Because victimology is a fundamental part of the nonsense that
>runs this country now.

How silly of me. Nobody gets discriminated against, it is all just a
plot.

What other groups do you think should shut up?

Scott

-- 
Scott Moir / Pentangle / Satyr ______ # "There's really only one requirement 
pentangl@Ursa-Major.spdcc.com  \ \/ / #  for a Prophet, and you've got it."
B4 f t+ w g k+(+) s+ m r p+     \/\/  # "What's that?"
These are my opinions, not SPDCC's    # "A mouth." - 'God' to J.R.'BoB' Dobbs
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Publicity
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 02:56:16 GMT

mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:


>mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
>   >>>There is _no_ cabal.  
>ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
>  >>Pay no attention to the people behind the curtain.
>brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies) writes:
> >There is _no_ curtain.

>If there's no curtain, where will we hide the pods?

SHHHHHH!!! (waves her away)
There is _no_ Mara. _No_ cabal, _no_ pods, _no_ curtain, and _no_ plot to
overtake the world, turning it into a purely queer world where the only
procreation done is via bisexuals and insemination. Nope. Lies, all of it.

--
John Dorrance  * Don't fuck with Ms. Congeniality *  thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

	Every jumbled pile of person has a thinking part that wonders
	     what the part that isn't thinking isn't thinking of
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gsmith@lauren.uucp (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Re: German Neo-Nazis bomb Holocaust memorial
Keywords: Neo-Nazis, Germany, Holocaust, Berlin
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 15:54:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.040857.15713@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
>In article <la58cdINNq6f@news.bbn.com> rrizzo@star-trek.bbn.com (Ron Rizzo) writes:
>
>:  Bavaria's Franz-Joseph Strauss or his successors (I don't remember if that mali-
>:  cious clown of a politician is dead or retired) to his right playing the role of
>:  a Pat Buchanan or Jesse Helms.
>
>	I don't know anything about Franz-Joseph Strauss; can you
>please give us any details on him?

I know about as much about Franz-Joseph Straus as I do about this worthless
editor I am using (I think I will need to install a civilized version of
emacs here) but as I understand:

1.  He is gone, but not forgotten;

2.  He had some rather paranoid anti-hiv legislation passed in Bavaria.
-- 
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprect-Karls University 
                gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Book reference
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:18:59 GMT

	Can someone get me the info for a recent book done
by a woman who interviewed convicted gay bashers in order
to find out what societal influences assistedin their
hatred of gays?

	There was an interview with the author on NPR about a
month ago.  I'd like to track the book down.

	Thanks in advance

BBC
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re:  Publicity
Date: 6 Sep 92 15:00:22 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

I'd like to share with you the clue for 2 Down
in today's Azed crossword (in the Observer newspaper):
	Anti-Republican result of merging primaries? (6)

Maybe you'll like the clue for 20 Down, too:
	Contra profits with ultimate in support (6)

Then there's always 32 Across:
	Scouts' leader with camp spares (6)

-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"*dick* (slang) n. fine words (for *dictionary*):  also for *declaration*,
as _to take one's dick_, and prob. _up to dick_, excellent (up to
declared value)" -- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
From: joelp@cs.man.ac.uk (Joel Parthemore || Pharos Project)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Publicity
Date: 7 Sep 92 09:34:25 GMT

markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:

(commenting on an article by Matthew mattm@apple.com Melmon)

>(quick!  Help from the cabal!  Who was the president who didn't receive a
>majority of the popular vote but won in the EC?)

William Henry Harrison (as opposed to Benjamin Harrison) defeated Grover
Cleveland in 1888, even though Cleveland topped him in the popular vote.
(Cleveland, the Democrat, was seeking re-election at the time, and was indeed
re-elected in 1892.  ``Ma, ma, where's Pa?  Gone to the White House, ha, ha,
ha....'' -- Cleveland was accused in the 1884 election of having fathered an
illegitimate child!)

In 1876 James (?) Tilden defeated Rutherford B. Hayes in the popular vote, but
the electoral votes from a number of Southern states were contested.  The
Republican-dominated Congress set up a Republican-dominated committee which
awarded all the disputed votes to Hayes.

In 1824 no candidate received a majority of the popular or electoral vote, and
the election went to the House where the popular favorite, Andrew Jackson, was
defeated by a relatively minor candidate:  John Quincy Adams.

Joel,
       cabal member in training (but with a ways to go yet)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: babyd@protein.uh.edu (baby djojonegoro)
Subject: Re: NEWSWEEK-GALLUP Poll on GAY RIGHTS in America
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:58:03 GMT

In article <farenebt.716138559@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>  
farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell) comments about the  
Newsweek-Gallup poll:
> 
> (should gays be hired in these positions? Percent saying yes)
> >83%	Salesperson
> >64%	A member of the President's Cabinet
> >59%	Armed forces
> >59% 	Doctors
> >54%	High-school teachers
> >51%	Elementary-school teachers
> >48%	Clergy
> 
> I am quite surprised at the high numbers for the armed forces, especially.
> Although, I don't see how a gay female doctor would necesarily be any  
different with women patients than male doctors, for example.
> 
> 
My first reaction to the last sentence was,"Huh?"
This implies that:
1.(straight) male doctors don't act profesionally, and let their libido get in  
the way;
2.gay female doctors have the same target group as those pesky (straight) male  
doctors, and therefore are expected to behave the same way.
Maybe Mr. Farenell just intended to point out that in some prejudiced people's  
minds, these 2 things would connect, giving rise to the erroneous conclusion.
He should be more aware of the importance of being precise.

Baby D.(who likes to sound pompous on occasions)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mwoods@eagle (Mark Woods)
Subject: Need help and ideas on starting a student support group
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Summary: Requesting help/ideas for starting college support group in IL
Organization: Sangamon State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 02:49:13 GMT
Keywords: GLB, support group

Hey out yonder!

I am posting this hoping that some of y'all can help me with some ideas and
strategies that you have used and that have worked in starting and
maintaining a GLB college student support group.

A couple of us here in Springfield, IL have decided to see if there are
enough of us GLB's in the three colleges Springfield supports (SCI,SSU,LLCC)
to form a student group for support, things to do, etc.

I know of a few students here, but many are closeted or don't know that
there is a community here in Spfld.

Please help!

E-mail ideas/info to:  mwoods@eagle.sangamon.edu

Your help and support is appreciated.

Thanks,
   Mark L. Woods



Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: 1-700-A-GAY-MAN
Date: 09 Sep 92 17:37:21 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group

In article <19529.2aab683b@ul.ie> kellyc@ul.ie writes:
[deletion]
>
>Some of us don't know how the alphabet maps to the digits. (For that matter, 
>is the same mapping used where ever mapping occurs at all?)
>
>Can somebody post the mapping please?
>
>Cathal,
>
>lost in little old Ireland where a phone number is a phone _number_  
>

Here's how it looks on a U.S. receiver:

1 - no letters
2 - ABC
3 - DEF
4 - GHI
5 - JKL
6 - MNO
7 - PRS
8 - TUV
9 - WXY
0 - Operator

No Z.

These letters are left over from the days when we had named
prefixes in our phone numbers; KEystone 7800, ATwater
4-1280, MAin &c.

I rather miss them, actually.

-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Just how effective are pickup lines?
Date: 15 Sep 1992 15:21:23 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <65871@cup.portal.com> 
Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling) writes:
| Jeff Shaumeyer, who prays that Clarence Thomas never finds out
| Long Dong Silver's true identity, sez:
|
| >Close to a favorite of mine: "Excuse me, but
| >may I taste your moustache?"
|
| >[Sounds silly, but it worked with Arne.]
|
| Ha!  What *wouldn't* work with Arne?

Believe it or not, there *are* some lines that 
wouldn't work on me.  These come to mind:

"Wanna play poker tonight with me and the boys?"

"Don't swishy queens make you sick?"

"I work for Apple."

Arne
From: joelp@cs.man.ac.uk (Joel Parthemore || Pharos Project)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: What is virginity? - sleep with the world!
Date: 5 Sep 92 19:48:07 GMT

John (J.D.) (thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu) (J. Dorrance) writes:

<list of virginal experiences at the .con>

....

>Being in a large group of people and feeling like I could have *any*
>	*one* of them if I really put my mind to it (*very* egotist-
>	ical of me, but...)

Hey, why not?  Go ahead, *be* egotistical.  Anyway, you might well be right!

Among my virginal .con experiences:

<> being with a bunch of naked men in hot tubs (I share that one with John)
<> having a shower with somebody else (had two in fact)

Joel,
		one of whose *profound* .con experiences was finding more than one person
		at one place at one time who expressed physical attraction for him, and
		many more folk that he could comfortably relate to physically (well, as
		far as he let himself relax)

>John Dorrance  * Don't fuck with Ms. Congeniality *  thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

Joel P. * Sex is OK, but Bundling is Heaven * hecateae@cs.man.ac.uk
From: jhb@calmasd.prime.com (Jim Bishop)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Folsom ST Fair
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:00:03 GMT
Organization: -

In article <65429@cup.portal.com>, Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
> Greg Parkinson writes:
>>|> >I don't think there's a place which serves peanut butter and jelly
> 
>>|> >sammiches AND has room for 40+ leatherfolk. :-)
>>|>
>>|> Steve, do you have to *work* at being this big an asshole or were
>>|> you born this way?
>>
>>I guess Steve just got a little piece of that sense
>>of humor that they removed from you at birth.......
> 
> More like the "talent" for random, inane bitchiness I didn't want.
> 
Nope, can't be.  Judging from the above, it looks like your "inane 
bitchiness" was left quite intact. (Surely, this doesn't require
smilies.)

Jim
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: safarj@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Jonah Emanuel Safar)
Subject: Re: A parable...
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 04:06:38 GMT

 Agreed, besides, one, I like wearing sunglasses, 'specially after spending
all night reading news on this machine, and two, if it weren't for those
people who wore the mirrored sunglasses, how would I ever check my hair on
the run? :)
 Eyes being the window to the soul are over-rated anyhow.. try playing poker
sometime, just don't play it with love.
-Points
-- 
________________________________________________________________________________
 If the President won't do it to his wife, he'll do it to his Country. -Unknown
________________________________________________________________________________
Jonah E. Safar             R.P.I., Troy, NY              EMail to:safarj@rpi.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: Re: trivia
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: parenthetical remarks
Organization: earnestly practicing faggots
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:44:34 GMT

in article <q=sn_4m.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (jack hamilton) writes,
about parenthetical remarks after signatures:

 >I think Arnold Zwicky started this, didn't he?  Maybe he's doing linguistic
 >research on us.

i might have made it popular, but i didn't start it.  i got it, i think,
from wendy thrash.  that was years ago.  (i know, you say, how quickly
they forget.  even the details of the first time begin to fade...)

and while the doctor is always in - anything *might* be data, you know
- i haven't (yet) thought of a way to use parenthetical remarks on
soc.motss.  it would not be a good research topic, since i myself
provide so much of the data; i could get any result i wanted.  (hey,
maybe this is not such a bad idea...oh, sir cyril burt had it first...)

arnold {who now finds it very hard *not* to say something in this space}


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Record trivia
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 05:34:16 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Another piece of recording trivia, to go with "what symphonies use wind
machines" and "what two famous movies which opened the same year feature
themes which start with an octave jump":

Marilyn vos Savant's column in last week's paper (could that possibly be
her last name?)  had a question about how many groves are on the side of a
record.  I think her answer, which hasn't appeared yet, is going to be '1'.
What record is a counterexample?  Blank records don't count. 


-- 

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