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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 10:37:04 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Blind patriotism -- no OMC
              28 Aug 1992 11:30:33 -0400 from <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>

On Fri, 28 Aug 1992 11:30:33 -0400 Russ Gelinas said:
>The state of Oregon is contemplating a law that basically says that being
>gay or espousing a gay lifestyle or supporting the gay lifestyle is reason
>for loosing your job/funding/etc.  You can stop waiting now.
Please look up contemplating
would you like David Duke teaching in public schools well i wouldn't like
a homosexual teaching my kids.
I'm sorry this conversation was started but it's fun .Just for the record
I'm against abortion, affirmative action. Eeveryone should have equal rights
regard less of skin color,sex...etc. If this makes me a racist i'm sorry, but
I don't believe i should be passed up for a job because the government
says that my color is not the one they want that's racism. I have plenty
of black friends who are welcome anytime at my house so i am not a racist
I just don't believe in people using skin color as an excuse to bypass the
law (twana brawley, carl rowan...etc)
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From:         MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET
Subject:      Tangerine Dream

>From:         schneider@MDCGWY.MDC.COM

>As a point of clarification, Klaus Schluze is one of the founding memebers
>along with Edgar Froese (of course) and Conrad Schnitzler.  Klaus Schluze
>is probably the most influential electronic artist in the number of
>musicians, bands, & albums that he has had either direct contact in or
>influenced over his 20+ years in the recording industry.

Sigh, this is a very minor quibble, but as a point of clarification, it
depends on how you define "founding member".  It is correct that when
Tangerine Dream recorded their first album in late 1969, the band was
composed of Edgar Froese, Klaus Schulze, and Conrad Schnitzler.  However,
Edgar Froese had been using the band name Tangerine Dream since September
of 1967.  The line-up that recorded the album _Electronic Meditations_
was the fourth set of personnel to use the name Tangerine Dream.

A similar thing happened with my electronic music band Totentanz.  (Hint,
hint: send email to Marco at olivotto@itncisca for details on how to
order our tape.)  The band started as the Reverend (the person who
introduced me to Tangerine Dream) and myself.  Shortly thereafter Jim
Pechur joined.  However, Jim refused to join us on-stage when we were
offered our first gig, even though he was on the demo tape that had
landed us the gig.  Once he saw that the audience did in fact refrain
from throwing things at us, he asked to play the next show.  Of course,
that was a safe gig as it was a live TV cablecast with no audience.
However, he did stick around for the rest of the year until a decent
paying job lured him out of the area.  In fact he is heard on "Revelations",
the opening cut on our tape, which was our third performance and was
done in front of an audience.  So does Jim Pechur qualify as a founding
member?  He is on the earliest released recording.  He's even on the
(unreleased to the public) demo we gave the club owner.  But the coward 8-)
refused to play our first gig.

Anyway, yesterday I finally got my copies of the tapes from Marco.
(Insert a few random curses about international mail service.)  Jim Pechur
is getting married this Sunday, and I think the Totentanz tape will be
a most distinctive wedding gift.  After all, Totentanz was reviewed as
"the perfect wedding band - for the Bride of Frankenstein."

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
From: watson@HG.ULETH.CA (I've got an Nietzsche trigger finger...)
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Date: 31 Aug 92 16:13:35 GMT
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Sonia sed:

>I heard a cut from Extreme's soon-to-be-released "Three Sides to Every
>Story"--I had never heard of them before (like so much else): I liked it, maybe
>not enough to buy but enough to be curious about who they are... very
>inventive; fun guitar work... Can anybody fill me in on the details?
>
>I also have been listening to the latest Black Crowes and Metallica albums.
>(I like them) Does this mean something (bad)?

It means you should have married the hockey player... he adores that stuff.  ;)
Maybe we can arrange some kinda swap here...  *giggle*

I like Nuno... he's hot... nice hair too.  :)

OMC:  Current listen: Rheostatics, _Whale Music_

- Carol
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 11:30:33 -0400
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Blind patriotism -- no OMC
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Oh I was hoping this wouldn't happen.

>The Land of the free, so that means we can pray in schools now

Sure can.  But you can't be forced to.

>, can i pick and choose who i hire regardless,

No, because you might discriminate, which would infringe on the freedom
(ie. rights) of someone else.

>can i have a nativity scene in public,

Sure, as long as *you* pay for it.

>BTW name an instance when the gov said you can't be gay or atheist I'll wait

The state of Oregon is contemplating a law that basically says that being
gay or espousing a gay lifestyle or supporting the gay lifestyle is reason
for loosing your job/funding/etc.  You can stop waiting now.

>now we can fly the confderate flag now that we all have this freedom

I see conf. flags in a lot of places.  They're not banned as far as I know.

>pick who we want in our private clubs this is great, thanks for the update

All-white clubs still exist.  There's no law forcing a private club to
accept *anyone*.

Russ
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 10:48:52 -0400
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Another gem from the past...
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Eddie sez:

>So to satify you fancy I will get off
>of Billy Rae Cyrus for a moment and get to Garth Brooks.....

No, I won't, no, no.....

Secret Schlock?  Many years ago it was Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass.
I still get a kick when I hear them in an elevator or supermarket.  Now?
Well, like Chuck says, everything I listen to is hip by definition....

Best guitar solos - no way, that's too tough.  No wait, I still like
Adrian Belew's solo on a song on Talking Heads "Remain in Light", uh,
The Great Curve?  Skewed is the best way to describe it.

Russ
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:16:29 CDT
From:         Little Inquisitor <U33963@UICVM.BITNET>
Subject:      ANNOUNCEMENT

 For all you music lovers who might be in the Chicagoland area during September
24-October 4, you might wish to check out the MAMMOTH MUSIC & RECORD MART.  Jus
t received the announcement today. Quote: "Sale of over 400,000 new and used re
cords, cd's, audio and video tapes, sheet music, musical instruments, and audio
 and video equipment." Proceeds benefit the Les Turner ALS Foundation (Lou Gehr
ig's Disease).  Music Mart Hotline: 708-674-MART. Address: Les Turner ALS Found
ation, 3325 Main St., Skokie, Illinois 60076.

I've been to this shindig several times and it just keeps getting bigger and be
tter.

Renato
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:23:04 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Confessions
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              scared to reveal my identity" at Sep 3, 92 9:00 am

>
> I confess that I have this burning desire to have a lewd encounter with
> Color Me Badd. . .
>  OOOh, I feel so DIRTY!!!
>

Carol Me Badd, is that you?

I saw "The Bodhran Video" last night while waiting for my guitar lesson: by
Steafan Hannigan (you'd like him, he's cute) - produced by Ossian in Cork,
Ireland...

Sonia

Upon reflection the above confession must be RULED OUT: it's not
quite... shlock (it's not shock either--we know you too well) (try for mock)
(or crock)
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:19:49 -0400
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      stipe, the actor

  So, I'm flipping TV stations, and there's this kid on a beach, then he
goes up on the boardwalk to look for Mr. TastyHead or something like that.
But Mr. TH is gone, and the only vendor in sight is,  Michael Stipe of
REM!  Weird.  Stipe actually had quite a few lines, and finally convinces
the kid to get a Sludgebar, 'cuz the kid is a "Sludgebar kind of guy".
Then Stipe rides off with his vending cooler.  Did I say weird?  From the
final credits, I saw that Kate Pierson of the B-52's was also in it; I
didn't see her.  REM also did some of the music.  It was on Nickleodean.

   REM also did music for an aging yuppie show on CBS, well, they used "Losing
My Religion" as the theme music.  What's going on?  Could this be THE BIG
SELLOUT?  Will we see "Can't Get There From Here" as Bush's campaign song? ;-)

Russ
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 08:33:18 EDT
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Subject:      the ROCKER file

Clevelands Music Monthly with articles, record reviews and GIF files this
month articles are FISH, Megadeth, Ace Frehley. The GIFs are the same.
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I have put the ROCKER01 ZIP file on the LISTSERV.  To get the file, you
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:30:31 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: To Sharrock or not To Sharrock
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              "gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL" at Sep 3, 92 11:55 am

>
>
> Black Jacques Sharrock: what album do you recommend to someone with a heavy
> metal/hard rock background and likes new age music more and more each day?
>
> Seeya,
> Gary
>
As a new Sharrockite I have no business giving advice, but after hearing a
wonderful sampler assembled by the resident <cmv> and after asking HIS advice,
I just bought Faith Moves and I think you'd really like it.  We played it for a
friend who's not especially into jazz and he liked it so much HE went and
bought it.  Of course you should get a second opinion.

Lee, you get A+ from the Uberdorfmeistress for your limbovoid review...
I also liked MHB's digital-zircon-encrusted-tweezers.  Since the net is getting
more far out (as opposed to
"farther out") every day, I think rather than fault Lenny Ray for no
punctuation we should remember archy and mehitabel and say wotthehell.

After reading more true confessions, I want to RETRACT my confession.  I was
thinking "shlock" as opposed to "secret"--and I had to work really hard (ha) to
try to come up with something shlocky (ha).  Renato, maybe people's secret
tastes in music are PROFOUND and ELEVATED and they don't want to talk about
them for fear they would get booted off the net.

I did ask a friend and he contributed "The Shags."

Sonia
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 08:54:35 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Yesterday's Ferlinghettinet
X-To:         allmusic@american.edu

Dark Side Where the Pyramid Meets the Eye
Surprise Your Pig Frizzle Fry
Synchronicity Song Remains the Same
The Planets Blood Sugar Sex Magik
The Ring Nothing's Shocking Mr. Bungle
Color Me Baddmotor Finger
Rage for Order Burning from the Inside
Floodland Firehouse Hot Rocks
And Justice For All Thrill Kill Kult Sexplosion
Electric Ladyland Brandenbergs James Brown is Dead
White Sport Coat and Pink
Crustacean Butthole Surfers


"That's the way it was, August 31, 1992"

Sonia
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:49:59 CDT
From:         The Little Inquisitor <U33963@UICVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Partial confessions of hidden musical loves

Sonia had rightly reminded me that I hadn't come clean (Inquisitors seldom do),
 so here it goes --in some of chronological order like the historian I was inad
equately trained to be:

1) Spanish __zarzuelas__. Spain's answer to Gilbert and Sullivan? These very li
ght operetta-like musicals invariably involve aristocratic military officers, m
istaken identities, and much horsing around on the stage.  Everything is alrigh
t at work's end. Massive choruses. Campy to the max.

2) Xavier Cugat's rumbas ("Lady in Red." Oustanding. Get your feet a movin'. An
yone remember Charo?

3) __Boleros__. (The Caribbean's counterpart to U.S. C & W, as well as South
American tangos, at least IMHO.) Just crazy about these weepy, soggy songs of l
onging, love and loss. Usually sung in trios or quartets. __Los Panchos__ come
to mind as one of my childhood faves. A good bolero late at night in a humid ro
om will make you want to do the most wonderful things.

4) __Cha-cha-chas__. (Especially those of Perez Prado, and even more so those w
ith such marvelous lyrics as "The Martians have already arrived, and they came
dancing the cha-cha-cha!"

5) Songs of the Read Army Chorus (Pure, praetorian, powerful proletarianism.)
Subcategory: Revolutionary groups with strong political messages and lousy musi
c. Sheer joy.)

6) __Pasodobles__. (Brass band tunes frequently associated with bullfighting. E
xcellent for weddings and town dances in the main squares. These songs have it
all: sun, sand, religion, honor, virility, devotion, faith, love and death.
Connoisseurs of this genre will immediately recognize __El Relicario__ and --La
 Macarena__ as timeless classics.  No relation to Bizet's Carmen, mind you, tho
ugh I came to like the latter after drooling over Laura del Sol's voluptuous fr
ont porch in the movie by the same name.)

7) Strauss waltzes.  (The master of the genre. Need I say more. They're great i
n films; always making you feel that you should have been born into the aristoc
racy and high European society. And everyone dances them so effortlessly. This
is better than schmaltz -- or is that possible?

8) 50s-60s film soundtracks (North, Herrmann, Morricone, and (egad) Mancini).
 [Pause: I'm feeling more exposed by the line.]

9) Theme from Shaft (Isaac Hayes): "I'm a bad motha -- shut yermouth!" Can this
 be topped?

10) "Beyond the Sea." (Both Charles Trenet's and Bobby Darin's versions. Pure b
liss.
Well, perhaps we'll get past the early 1970s some other time. OK, Sonia, does t
hat give you enough to work with?

Hope to have something to say about some of the truly riveting admissions made
to the confessional.  I declare it a huge success.

Renato
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:45:00 CDT
From:         S_YECK@TWU.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Hawkwind starter kit

I'll have to second John's opinion on Hawkwind's _In Search of Space_.  I have
just recently received a 3 CD Set of Hawkwind and that's the first CD I pulled
out!  It sounds great!   As for sounding like Tangerine Dream's _Cyclone_, I
don't know because I've never heard _Cyclone_ (but what I have heard is that it
is TERRIBLE; DON'T TOUCH IT; NEVER GO NEAR IT, you get the point).  That is
whast the TANGERINE DREAM FANS say about it!!!!! (unbelievable, eh?!)
So, I wish I was enlightened a little more.

About this "tadream" list:  how in the world do I get on it?  I only have
BITNET AND INTERNET to work with and neither will let me through to the address
that John gave me!  Any suggestions?!  (I'd love to see some more TD fans, you
know-just for the heck of it).

As for Hawkwind, once again, they are really good.  I'm not much of one for
lyrics anymore, but I sure do love the sound that Hawkwind throws out.  It's
really cool.  (space rock definitely).  Peru reminds me of space rock a little
too.  I love their song "Jules Verne" and "Moon"--those are the best!

Anyway, see ya later.


Toodles,
 _
Meshel
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Subject: comparisons to Springsteen
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:52:00 GMT
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>From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>

>I'm glad you mentioned Bob again because i've read many comparisions bwtn
>him and Bruce Springsteen Bruce seems to get more recognition than Bob
>But IMHO Seger is a far better writer and singer maybe performer and i'm
>big fan I respect him alot he's been doing it forvever and doing it well
>he's one of my favorite writers I wasn't really knocking him, but my point
>was alot of people sell out not just M.J.

Another musician compared to Springsteen is Elliot Murphy.  I remember
Crawdaddy magazine reviewing their debute albums together as "this
year's entries in the next-Dylan sweepstakes".  The reviewer concluded
that Elliot Murphy's _Aqua Show_ was closer to sounding like Dylan,
but he speculated that Springsteen had the better chance for Dylan-like
success.  Sigh, he was right on both counts.

Elliot Murphy is one of my favorite songwriters, although I will concede
he doesn't have a strong singing voice.  He put out four albums on three
different labels, and then the American music industry completely lost
interest in him.  He probably earned more money doing the liner notes
for the Velvet Underground _1969_ album than he did on his own royalties.
Thank the gods there are some European labels keeping him alive and
putting out new material.  To my total amazement, Polydor did release
_Aqua Show_ on CD a while back, but good luck finding it now.  I don't
expect his other American albums to ever come out on CD.  _Nightlights_
is in my top five of "I want on CD - NOW!".

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
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Subject:      the ROCKER file

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I have put the ROCKER01 ZIP file on the LISTSERV.  To get the file, you
can issue the command:

TELL LISTSERV AT KENTVM GET ROCKER ZIP

or send a message to LISTSERV@KENTVM with the following line in the
mail body (not in the subject line):

GET ROCKER ZIP

For the internet people, it is not certain whether they will get a good
copy or not.  It depends on the gateways that the file passes through
whether it gets translated or not.  It is a binary file, so it shouldn't
be translated or messed with in any way.

For people to get automatic distribution when the file is updated,
they need to send the command:

TELL LISTSERV@KENTVM AFD ADD ROCKER ZIP

or put

AFD ADD ROCKER ZIP

in the body of a mail message.  The file name needs to stay the same
for this purpose, that's why I didn't put in the version number 01
at the end of the filename.

Let me know if you have any question.

Christine Shih
From: MAMAY@WAYNEST1.BITNET (Michelle May)
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Subject: Re: Rap
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:34:17 GMT
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I DO understand that you don't like R&B because it doesn't appeal to your
lifestyle--but to say the music doesn't have anything to say is WAY off-base.
Ralph Tresvant sings about relationships (something we blacks do have) and
other R&B artists sing about a wide variety of life experiences.  True, there
are artists in any genre that may seem incomprehensible to each of us, but
music is PERSONAL, and each of us likes what we like for our own special
reasons (for example, believe it or not, Michael Bolton actually has fans--
although I'm not one of them.)
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From: smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead)
Subject: Re: mixing board
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 08:48:56 GMT

Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU> writes:

>been figuring 2 vocals, guitar, bass drum, and snare, which is only 5
>channels.  Think I should spend the extra $$ on 8?  If we get another person,
>that could use up another 2 channels.......

   Why are you running the guitar through the PA and NOT the bass? In my
experience, guitars are always loud enough, but basses need that extra
punch from the big system. Unless your bassist has a rig bigger than the PA.
:)
   My advice, go with all the channels you can afford. Sooner or later, the
drummer may expand his/her set or decide to mic more stuff because you're
playing larger places. Or you decide to hire a church choir for backing
vocals. Lots of reasons.
   We started out more than 10 years ago with an 8-channel board. Now 16
channels aren't enough and we have to premix a few things. Come to think of
it, our first mixer was a Peavey 4-channel powered box. I wonder what 
happened to that thing.

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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 09:18:00 EDT
From:         EdD tHe MaDd <DERLECT@CLEMSON.BITNET>
Subject:      are you Cyrus?

Ruxpin is gone
  I must sadly say
And no plebes about
  to slam today...
Exept this guy who
  who loves Billy Ray...
                           is he gay?

                                     Love and Kisses
                                     Ed
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