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From: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tom J Parry)
Subject: Re: future of AFL
Originator: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:35:01 GMT

Ian Ellis (iane@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au) wrote:
> 
> My proposal is therefore to relocate the following teams:
> 
> Carlton      ---->      Canberra

Thanks a hell of a lot. Let's just take the team with, what?, the second
biggest following?, and tell all their supporters they can't go watch their
team playing any more except for some away games. Therefore the Carlton
membership is almost worthless and you've just lost the AFL a nice big
packet of money from lost memberships.

I am starting to empathise with South Melbourne supporters. Relocation is
very easy for people to throw about but the gain you make from moving a
team interstate (hey, we've got a centreman who knows the ground pretty
well :-) may very well be offset by the losses you make from leaving their
home town support behind.

Over time, instead of support for the new interstae team increasing, you
may find that players who's lives are in Melbourne start finding contract
renewal a little less fulfilling, team performance starts to drop,
sponsorship starts to disappear.... Why would it be very much different for
a new team than it was for South Melbourne? Sure, there is now some support
there, but it's for the Sydney Swans, a group of people who, at the moment,
don't exactly like Carlton all that much.

In ten years time everybody will be jumping up and down looking for a new
team to replace the happless, sponsorless, winless Sydney Blues and then 10
years later we'll be farewelling the Sydney Magpies. 

Although I have no idea what the solution is to the problem, I believe it
lies in fixing football in Sydney, not replacing the team that is there.

-- 
Tom J Parry.
Your reality is a figment of my imagination.
From: dennisp@kpc.com (Dennis Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Why do cats......
Keywords: penis,vagina
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:44:17 GMT
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Inc, Santa Clara, CA

In article <1992Oct16.210120.7547@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
> amyk@netcom.com (Amy Kurtzman) writes:
>>>jrc@IEDV4.acd.com ( Janis Clark ) writes:
>>>
>>>>This is along the same line as the postings recently about why
>>>>cats like to sit on paper.  Why do cats have to use a litter box
>>>>the moment you are done cleaning it?  I have two 4 month old kittens
>>>>(whom I am convinced are monkeys in kitten's clothing) that watch
>>>>anxiously as I scoop the litter box, or replace the litter. As soon
>>>>as I finish, put the rim back on, and step back, they immediately
>>>>get into the box to inspect and use it! I have had several cats over
>>>the years, and they have all done this.
>>
>>Mine do this too! We think it is because we are stealing their
>>"treasures" and they have to create new ones for the box as soon as
>>possible.
>>
>
>
>AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
>
>AINT THAT CUTE!@!@!#!@!@!@
>
>STEALIN THEIR LITTLE "TREASURES"
>
>KATS SURE ARE KUTE :^)!@!@!@!@!@
>
I had two Dachsunds who were qualified "TurdBurglars" . The cats were
probably checking to  see if anything had *eaten* their "treasures"

Try that before breakfast ;^>
From: poplan@registry.adelaide.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Re: Second SA Team!
Date: 8 Oct 92 07:30:30 GMT
Organization: Office of the Registry, University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: admin.registry.adelaide.edu.au


Plenty of Vics got plenty to say as usual. I'll say my bit briefly - been
saying it for years.
Take a city with 3 million people and its competition is going to be better
than those with one million, if they all play the same game that is. So,
over the years, the money came in and players started gravitating. It became
a sort of a football black hole. Some resisted, or left it too late. The
heirachies, especially, left it 'til late in the game (too late?). So
the powerful mob, instead of doing the right thing and compromising with
their mates/foes, snuck off and tried to create interest in places that had
no interest and then called it a national competition. International folks 
knew no different, so it became known as the national competition by them.
Slowly the black hole got worse, and the captains of the other ships went to
the rescue. West Coast was all the Perth mob. Then came the Crows, but they'd
lost a lot of the mob already. But new crew sprung up, and they're starting to
regain lost ground. When it all settles down, the national comp, for all
demographic logic, will look like:
Vic	6 teams
SA	2 teams
WA	2 teams
Tas	1 team
ACT/NT	1 team
Ouch! say the Vics. "But my club might go under" Yeah? says I, what about the 
nine (used to be 10) SA teams, the 8 WA teams etc. They still exist, but in 
a reducing competition. Here's my proposal:
The tyranny of distance is real in Australia. In England the 15-20 soccer guys
jump on a bus and head up the motorway. No such luck here. What cost Flying
Brisbane to Perth and Back with 30 club folk, mm? Too much. Scrap Brisbane,
Scrap Sydney, waste of time. Could set up zones, but I prefer this:
All states keep their local comps, including Vic.
Vic	South Melbourne back, like someone said, and have the top 6 teams
in the national comp. The other 6 ask a couple of VFA sides like Preston,
Sandringham etc to reform the VFL. Some form of relegation/promotion system
could be worked out easily from loacl to national.
SA/WA etc	Bit more tricky, but Port Adelaide have proven that they are
a club able to mix it. Let 'em in. If they got so weak that another local side
beat them, so be it. Ditto for WA. 
It's the travel costs that's killing the small clubs, and it will only get
worse. The Vic clubs staved off their demise by sharing the licence $ from 
the Eagles and the Crows, but they'll have to face facts sooner or later.
Sure, the Bulldogs did well this year, but last year the caterers stopped
delivering pies. They'll stop again soon, and not just at the Western Oval.
It's a great game, I only hope the boofheads start to see reason!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
From: tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones)
Subject: Re: The AFL
Reply-To: tom@cs.su.oz.au
Organization: Basser Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:09:48 GMT

In article <10764380.21.718965976@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au>, 10764380@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (ANDREW DOCKERY) writes:
|> There has recently been a lot of talk about getting rid of Victorian
|> teams, and these opinions have come mostly from non-Victorians or Victorians
|> who barrack for a successful Melbourne side.
|> 
|> I would like to start by pointing out that the AFL was created from the 
|> very successful Victorian Football League (VFL as it was called then).
|> In other words, Victorian gave up their football league for the sake of
|> having a national competition. I might also add that supporters were given
|> absolutely no choice in any of this. 

	As clubs, the Victorian teams have added importance from 
	their huge heritage, but it was Victorians who formed the
	AFL, and while the Vic public had 'no say', nor did anybody
	else's public.  The shambles that are the Sydney Swans is
	more a Victorian responsiblity than anything else, for this
	reason.

	It came about because Ross Oakley and
|> the other VFL administrators (as they were then) had a meeting with all the
|> clubs and proposed that the competition be changed to a national one. If the
|> clubs voted for the proposal it would be adopted. Sounds like a fair system
|> doesn't it? NO WAY!!! The VFL administrators offered the clubs something
|> like $4,000,000 between them if they accepted the proposal...I think that's
|> the correct figure, but I'm not sure...anyway the point is that the clubs
|> were BRIBED into accepting the proposal. Many clubs were in financial strife
|> at the time (Fitzroy, Footscray, and Richmond come to mind) and so really
|> had no choice but to accept!!!

	Yes and No, your point is taken, but these clubs by taking
	these bribes, have bought responsiblity in a national league.
	The money was always needed by them, and it didn't come 
	from Victoria.
|> 
|> What I'm trying to say is that Victorians gave up their football league for
|> the sake of a national competition...something that none of the other states
|> were prepared to do.
|> 
	Surely you know this to be false.  The VFL is the only state
	league that has survived nationalization with any credible
	strength, by way of its 'Merging' with the AFL. The other
	two strong state leagues have suffered far more greatly as 
	a result of the formation of the national league.

|> So before you slag off another Victorian...think about what this national
|> competition has meant to them...and think before suggesting moving teams
|> or merging them.
|> 
|> Thank you
|> 
|> Andrew

	tom

	Living in Sydney, probably like living in Sin, gives you a 
	different perspective on things, whoever you support.
	(Essendon)
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From: dos105@rsphy2.anu.edu.au (Darren O'Shaughnessy)
Subject: Re: Second WA Team!
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.australian
Organization: Australian National University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 03:19:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct06.092438.34899@frodo.cc.flinders.edu.au>,
psgjf@gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au (<G.J.Fraser>) wrote:
> 
> 
> Melbourne/Richmond
> Carlton/North
> Footscray
> Essendon
> Collingwood
> St.Kilda
> Hawthorn  That's seven in the metropolitan area.
> Geelong
> Hobart Lions (Fitzroy) The Tassie flag has a red lion on it.
> Sydney Swans
> Brisbane Bears   Will do much better for support in the city.
> Adelaide Crows
> West Coast Eagles
> Fremantle Doctors? Dolphins?
> 
> That is 16 teams and much more national.
> 
> Cheers, Geoff
> -- 

   This looks like a rational set-up to me, except for a couple of things:
    (1) The need for a second Adelaide team as the Crows become as strong
as the Eagles in the next few years. Port Adelaide are still trying to
apply, as far as I know, and they are by far the strongest team in the
SANFL;
    (2) What about Canberra? The city has many Aussie Rules expats, and the
success of the (Rugby League) Raiders indicates that the people will get
behind a team. Lack of sponsorship early may be a problem, so how about
instead of North Melbourne being taken over by Carlton they relocate here?
   There would then be two "conferences" as the AFL bigwigs seem to want,
albeit with nine teams each.

--
Signed,            |   "It is not Life itself which is precious, but
  Pat Rourke       |    Quality of Life. However, Quality of Life is
                   |      not an Objective thing; it is up to the
(you may not have  |        individual to decide what te values."
   heard of me)    |
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
From: 10764380@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (ANDREW DOCKERY)
Subject: The AFL
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 08:46:16 GMT

There has recently been a lot of talk about getting rid of Victorian
teams, and these opinions have come mostly from non-Victorians or Victorians
who barrack for a successful Melbourne side.

I would like to start by pointing out that the AFL was created from the 
very successful Victorian Football League (VFL as it was called then).
In other words, Victorian gave up their football league for the sake of
having a national competition. I might also add that supporters were given
absolutely no choice in any of this. It came about because Ross Oakley and
the other VFL administrators (as they were then) had a meeting with all the
clubs and proposed that the competition be changed to a national one. If the
clubs voted for the proposal it would be adopted. Sounds like a fair system
doesn't it? NO WAY!!! The VFL administrators offered the clubs something
like $4,000,000 between them if they accepted the proposal...I think that's
the correct figure, but I'm not sure...anyway the point is that the clubs
were BRIBED into accepting the proposal. Many clubs were in financial strife
at the time (Fitzroy, Footscray, and Richmond come to mind) and so really
had no choice but to accept!!!

What I'm trying to say is that Victorians gave up their football league for
the sake of a national competition...something that none of the other states
were prepared to do.

So before you slag off another Victorian...think about what this national
competition has meant to them...and think before suggesting moving teams
or merging them.

Thank you

Andrew
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*  10764380@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au   *            offence."          *
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.misc
From: gmoenne@lascar.puc.cl (Gerardo Moenne)
Subject: Basic Rules for Chile
Organization: U. Catolica
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:39:31 GMT

Hello!!

My name is Gerardo and I'm writing from chile. I work in an educational 
network with children between 10 and 15 years old. We have a discution list
about Sport and the children had been asking for information about Football.
As you can supose we don't practice football here in Chile and there is very
little information about.

I hope someone can post or e-mail me (gmoenne@lascar.puc.cl) the basic rules
of this interesting sport. Prease feel free for sending any other information
(i.e. stadistics) you think Chilean student should be interest in.


Thank in advance

Gerardo Moenne
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.misc
From: allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan)
Subject: WLAF teams to CFL?
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:28:57 GMT


I heard on a radio talk program that some American WLAF teams, disappointed
over the NFL pullout, may try to join the CFL. (The Surge was mentioned.)

Has anyone else heard anything about this? It sounds like far-fetched rumours
to me...

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.misc
From: killer@phantom.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: American Football Over Seas Question
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 17:17:10 GMT

In <1992Oct2.093437.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> aephel01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>in other countries.  Is American Style Football that popular over
>seas?  And approximatley how many countries have leagues and if
>possible how long (I saw a post about the 13th or 14th championship
>bowl game in germany)?

Here in Finland football is steadily gaining popularity.  We have
had leagues since 1980 and have been a leading (perhaps the)
country in Europe.  This year we had approx. 30 teams in three
divisions (Maple League, 1st and 2nd division) competing for
Maple Bowl.  In junior (ages 20 and less) leagues we have
about the same amount of teams in total.
--
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From: colletwj@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.misc
Subject: TE Wanted for Fantacy Team
Date: 11 Oct 92 01:52:48 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

Does anyone know a good Tight End that scores plenty of touchdowns?
I'm looking to pick one up for my Fantacy Football Team.
From: aephel01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Question #2
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:37:08 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville






Thanks to everyone who responded to my question about overseas
american style football.  Now, does anyone think that any of these
teams could be competetive in the NFL?  And I don't mean like
the NY Jets ;^)  .

Thanks again

-- no sig necessary --
       Aza
From: SOCC9241430E@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (JACKSON,Chris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.misc
Subject: Re: ARCHIVE STATS
Date: 10 Oct 92 18:02:01 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

In <BvpMMs.HFx@acsu.buffalo.edu> v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu writes:

> 
> 	Quick interruption:  could someone e-mail me on how to use the ftp
> archive process (specifically for wustl.archive).  Thanx in advance.

Same question here people.....I also would appreciate any help in this area
as my ftp knowledge for the wustl connection is appalling.

> 

> Jonny B.

Chris...E-Mail SOCC9241430E@LUST1.LATROBE.EDU.AU

P.S..  If you are reading this Jonny and you have obtained the process, 
could you please e-mail it?
From: vaps0de@prism.gatech.EDU (Dustin Emhart)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.misc
Subject: Re: WLAF teams to CFL?
Date: 12 Oct 92 04:06:12 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In <allan.718669737@silver-vly> allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) writes:


>I heard on a radio talk program that some American WLAF teams, disappointed
>over the NFL pullout, may try to join the CFL. (The Surge was mentioned.)

I remember watching to a halftime piece during a CFL game detailing the
efforts of Detroit (who would have the business office for their team across
the border in Windsor and just play in Detroit) and Portland to get CFL
franchises.

(Personally, I'd drive to Birmingham for an honest-to-goodness CFL game,
but that may just be me.)
-- 
Dustin Emhart                       |  CS Majors: We do more after 11 pm than
Georgia Institute of Technology     |  most people do all day.
Internet: vaps0de@prism.gatech.edu  |        -- me
From: z_phillipsra@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.misc
Subject: wanted
Date: 13 Oct 92 03:21:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: ccsvax.1992Oct12.212118.1467
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

wanted 2 tickets for eagles vs. cowboys  on nov.1
From: wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu (William Karamo Motley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.misc
Subject: Eagles
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:28:41 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

The Eagles go down in flames!!!!!!!!!
However, NFC East still rules the world!
Just felt like posting because no one else has yet.
From: paasch@engr.cs.orst.edu (Bob Paasch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Gupta Power Ratings 10/5/92
Date: 7 Oct 92 04:41:55 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, Corvallis Oregon

In article <1992Oct7.012949.4505@leland.Stanford.EDU> tremblay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marc Tremblay) writes:
>
>Hmmm, good reasoning. For example, say on a given year Stanford is
>10-0 (quite reasonable) going into the Big Game, and mighty Berzerkley
>is 0-10 (again, quite resonable). Now, the hippies get all fired up
>over the game, stay off drugs for a week and come in totally
>motivated. Whereas Stanford spends the week studying for exams, doing
>charity work, etc... Now say by some miraculous fluke, the weenies
>pull an unbelievable upset by scoring 21pts in the last 45 seconds of
>the game (this IS the Big Game after all...). Therefore, following
>your reasoning, in the following  weeks' poll, Cal should leapfrog 
>Stanford. Yep, good reasoning... ;-)

Sounds like a description of the 86 Big Game ;^)  The last Big Game where
the Tree's _didn't_ use slush funds to pay off the officials.

;^) ;^) :^) :^) :^) For the humor impared.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: sbanerj@eos.ncsu.edu (SANJEEV  BANERJIA)
Subject: Re: CNN/USA Today Top 25 - 10/11/92
Originator: sbanerj@c00749-400wi.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: Sanjeev Banerjia
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 17:33:03 GMT


In article <81500@ut-emx.uucp>, reza@magellan.ae.utexas.edu (Alireza 
Vali) writes:
|>
|>   .stuff deleted
|>
|>Food for thought for the "Which is the toughest Conference?"
|>debate.
|>-- 
|>Ali R. Vali - reza@magellan.ae.utexas.edu

According to Beano Cook and Craig James, there is no 'debate' on this issue.
They feel that, hads down, the PAC 10 is the strongest conference.  And from
the numbers, it looks like they've got a good argument.  

Sanjeev
From: maryb@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Jayhawk Posting #21
Date: 10 Oct 92 01:10:47 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

This article is from the Friday, October 9, 1992 issue of the University
Daily Kansan.

STUBBLEFIELD WANTS TO FORGET 1991 LOSS
by David Dorsey, Kansan sportswriter

   Kansas State is coming to town, and Kansas defensive tackle Dana
Stubblefield doesn't like it. "I hate playing K-State," said the 6'-3",
285 lb. Stubblefield. "There's just something about them that I don't like.
The memories of last year. The feeling that I had, walking off the field when
their fans came rushing down to tear down the posts. That was one of the worst
feelings I ever had wearing a Kansas football uniform."
   Kansas led for most of the game at Manhattan last season but lost 16-12.
Stubblefield said he needed to elevate his play for tomorrow's game. "I feel
like I've been playing average," he said. "I've been out with a little ankle
injury, and you can't do anything about that except let Mother Nature take its
course. It's at 100 percent now, so tomorrow I'm looking to be productive."
   Although he is unhappy with his production this season, he continues to
lead the defensive line, living up to his role as one of the Jayhawks' four
senior captains.
   "He's definitely the leader type," said teammate Chris Maumalanga. "He's
somebody that gets the whole team going."
   Stubblefield received many preseason honors, including being named a
Playboy preseason All-American. He was rated by the NCAA College Football
Preview as the third best defensive tackle in the country. Kansas defensive
line coach Bob Fello said that Stubblefield had responded positively to such
high expectations. "I think he's handled it pretty well," Fello said. "He's
very positive. Watch him in our drills, and he'd be the first guy in the
line."
   Stubblefield has not missed a game this season but did not start against
Ball State because of an ankle injury. That broke his string of 23 consecutive
starts. "It was sad that I didn't start, but as long as we won, I'm happy," he
said. He returned to the starting lineup against Tulsa and contributed with
two tackles. Against California, he had seven tackles, including one for a
loss.
   Stubblefield did not realize until yesterday that he needed only five sacks
to become the all-time Kansas leader in career sacks. "It would be nice to
break the record at a Division I college like the University of Kansas," he
said. "I don't go out and set personal records for each game. I just go out
and try to be productive. If we can continue to win, a personal record would
mean even more to me."                                  

Posted to r.s.f.c. by "Kansas Mary"
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