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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: You may pick up your pencils...
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 21:19:22 GMT

In article <4190013@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boucher@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Richard A Boucher Jr) writes:
>
>
>I forgot to mention another reason I wanted to ask the question... I've been
>calling around about used gear and in the past 2 months I've spoken with 2 
>guys who did about 30 and 50 jumps, respectively, had a reserve ride, and 
>placed their gear up for sale immediately.  
>
>Got me to wondering if the folks with 1000 jumps go through the same soul
>searching that the newbies do after their first reserve ride. 

there was a gal here last year that had a total on her first jump
off student status; she never came back :-( she's the only one i know
of that dropped out after a reserve ride. there's a guy up here who
had his 2nd reserve ride on his 33rd (i think) jump. floating rip
cord... got under reserve at 700'. didn't seem to phase him.

i'e not yet had one, but i've considered chopping on  4 occasions, 
twice with my hands on my handles; those incidents just made me more
careful and aware of what i was doing. when i get another main, i'd 
atually like to do an intentional cut-away (and dump my other main,
not my reserve).

>
>-RB
>
tim

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From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz)
Subject: Re: The HERD boogie
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:37:01 GMT

In article <BuC78G.BrJ@virtech.uucp> mark@vti.com writes:
> : Mark also may have missed the car burning, which was quite good.
> 
> Yup, you're right; I forgot to mention it.  I heard that the look
> on his face was "precious."  His look was more of confusion than
> anything else.
> 
> Not only did they reward him with a new car, but as I understand,
> they let him judge the wet-t-shirt contest (a reward in itself).
> Not a bad way to distract him.

Okay, sorry for dragging this only-marginally-related-to-skydiving
stuff out, but I really have a thing about accuracy.

I'd say the look on his face, which I saw from no more than ten
feet, was shock.  His only words, until they told him about the
new car, were "That's my car," spoken in a very subdued, shocked
voice.  And while they did try to get him to judge the contest
in order to keep him occupied while the car-burning committee
was busy taking all the dangerous bits off his old car, he
declined.  He was towards the back of the crowd, not far from
the beer truck, the whole time.  I know because a couple of
folks were detailed to keep him from going to his car, and I
was at the back of the crowd right near the beer truck.
Probably the best place to be.

Dean Kaflowitz
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From: jvilhube@diana.cair.du.edu (Jan Vilhuber)
Subject: Re: Spotting and Ground Speed
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 02:04:00 GMT

In article <6730163@hplsla.hp.com> artb@hplsla.hp.com (Art Bori) writes:
>same relative horizontal separation.  Other jumpers I talked to argue
>that *ground* speed is irrelevant.
>What I wanted to ask was: 1)  Do you agree or disagree and why?
>			  2)  What (other) factors do you consider when
>			      multiple groups exit?
>
Ground speed would indeed seem to be irrelevant. The wind, after all. is
what carries the jumpers away from the aircraft. The plane could be standing 
still with respect to the ground, which means you would be doing roughly 
the speed of the wind forward, and being pushed backwards (makes sense?).
So the jumpers would get blown away just the same.

I would say neither airspeed nor ground speed matter, (maybe airspeed a little)
but the size of the group and what they are doing, and what you feel more
comfortable with.

Ok.. maybe airspeed does matter. I'd give more of a delay on a Cessna, as 
opposed to Mike Mullin's SkyRocket Air..;)

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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: first timer questions
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:28:42 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: paul stansberry

 PS>  rmtc>         How dangerous is it?

 PS> No different than driving your car.

Well, just to set the record straight, it's much safer than driving your car.

<grin>

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Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: You may pick up your
Date: 6 Sep 92 07:13:00 GMT

Reply-to: RANDY.SCOTT@p0.f1205.n202.z1.fidonet.org (RANDY SCOTT)
Fido-To: bob church

R> that gets defined the day you see your first bounce. You realize that tha 
R> can and might be you and have to decide if skydiving is worth the risk or 
R> not.

To be tuely safe skydiving, you have to know that better skydivers 
than you have died in this sport.  Rather than walking around
thinking it can't happen to you, it's better to have the attitude 
that you won't LET those things happen to you, by taking an active 
role in your own safety.

Not that you disagreed or anything.  Your message simply made me
think of that, so I'm sending the reply to you.

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 12 Sep 1992 14:58:33 CDT
From: <U50281@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Spotting and Ground Speed

In article <6730163@hplsla.hp.com>, artb@hplsla.hp.com (Art Bori) says:
>
>stated that you need to consider *ground* speed when determining how much time
>to allow between exiting groups.  In other words, if the ground speed is
>is lower, you need to allow more time between groups to obtain the
>same relative horizontal separation.  Other jumpers I talked to argue
>that *ground* speed is irrelevant.
>
>What I wanted to ask was: 1)  Do you agree or disagree and why?
>                          2)  What (other) factors do you consider when
>                              multiple groups exit?
*GROUND SPEED* is ENTIRELY relevant!
For instance,  consider winds at 10.5K blowing at the same speed as the
-182 after you've given the cut.  Now you're playing helicopter.  For
this, you might want to put 30 SECONDS between groups.  You tell each
group that after they open, they should IMMEDIATELY turn toward the airport
for a little while so they can get out of the next group's way when they
open.

For larger aircraft, the higher the intended openings, the later on the
pass.  For solos, I prefer to put the lighter weight people out before
the heavier ones.  I once had a skin-and-bones type guy go out after me
(giving me a good few seconds) and had him blow over my head in freefall.

Another considerating is how many groups are exiting on the pass.  I try
to estimate how long each one will need for lineup, etc and try to position
the cut such that the middle of the pass has the best spot (or just before
the middle when opening altitudes are staggered).


Jeff Hauser
Sky Knights SPC
East Troy, WI
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From: mark@virtech.uucp (Mark Smith)
Subject: Re: HELP: Things to consider when buying a hand altimeter?
Reply-To: mark@vti.com
Organization: Virtual Technologies, Inc.
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:48:46 GMT

Robert Church (bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu) wrote:
: In article <BuDv80.2wE@virtech.uucp> mark@vti.com writes:
: >The advantage is that you never lose your altimeter because it's
: >always connected to your rig.
: 
: Do you have problems when packing?

The altimeter doesn't get in the way because I twist the side strap
where it's mounted so that it's not under the rig when packing.  I do
admit that it's a pain when I'm flying commercial though.  It adds on
another few inches to the whole rig width so I usually take it off
before I travel with it.

Also, I purchased one of those neato "night-lights." It illuminates
the dial for night jumping very nicely.  As an extra bonus it serves
as a bumper guard so that when I accidently hit my alitmeter against
something, the plastic of the bumper guard takes the beating.
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From: woycik@nymph.pa.dec.com (Tommy Woycik)
Subject: Re: Dreams
Reply-To: woycik@nymph.pa.dec.com (Tommy Woycik)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 22:40:36 GMT

> I my skydiving dreams I can go up too! :-)) 
>
> Charolyn

Sounds Freudian.

TEW
From: fsbgf@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Computerized LogBook
Date: 5 Sep 92 02:25:06 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

Is there any good shareware/freeware program available to track freefall
time. I'm looking for something like a computer logbook for a MS-DOS or
windows environment.
				Thanks,
				Brandon
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From: eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: Re: 1 in 80000 dies.  Oh dear!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 00:32:32 GMT

>Oh no!  I just happen to be on my 79,999 jump!  Now what!?!?
>

Carry a tersh ?????    

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From: fsbgf@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: DZ Traditions
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:29:39 GMT

Up here in Alaska we don't follow too many of the normal traditions...
Buying beer wasn't even mentioned on my first jump but, when I started
the AFF jumps (three tandems then AFF) my instructor made it real
clear that if he had to pull my ripcord then I would owe him a case of
fine imported beer... *laugh*  needless to say, I didn't buy beer...

Brandon France
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From: jnrees@athena.mit.edu (Jim Rees)
Subject: Re: 1 in 80000 dies.  Oh dear!
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:35:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.221407.8578@PacBell.COM> jcwasik@srv.PacBell.COM (Joe Wasik) writes:

   I recently read in a parachuting magazine that in the USA, one in 80,000 jumps
   ends in a fatality.  Elsewhere, it's even worse, out of every 50,000 jumps (or
   50.000 for you non-USA's) someone dies.  Please say it ain't so.  ... Think
   I'm going back to knitting.

If you wish to be a slave to statistics, then perhaps knitting is
better for you.  On the other hand, you can practice your emergency
procedures on a regular basis, keep your gear well-maintained, check
your gear before boarding and before exit, do relative work and/or CRW
with people you know and trust, pull at sufficient altitude to give
yourself time to respond to any kind of malfunction AND to land your
reserve is a safe open area, don't become complacent, etc, etc.

Even the "safest" skydivers can get killed by circumstances beyond
their control, but most skydiving fatailities have resulted from user
error (low/no pulls, for example).

Jim Rees
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From: traurig@ncavax.decnet.lockheed.com
Subject: Re: HELP: Things to consider when buying a hand altimeter?
Organization: Sanders Associates
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 16:47:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.160938.14839@ncar.ucar.edu> nws@stout.atd.ucar.edu (Eddie
Roberts (The National Weather Service)) writes:
>>
>> I am about to purchase my first piece of skydiving gear.... an
>> altimeter that straps onto the back of your hand ( for some
>> reason I have a hard time with the chest mounts provided at
>> our DZ). Anyway are there different things to look for 
>> in altimeters or are all altimeters about the same? Is there a better
>> manufacturer etc. etc.?

	Yeah, wear your old chest mount anyway, so that those of us who prefer to look
across the formation to read an altimeter can still do so.  Many people find it
easier to concentrate on the RW without having to look away from the center of
the formation to look at their chest or hand, and it's a lot easier to see
someone else's chest mount than someone else's hand mount.

	I never really understood why everyone started switching to hand mounts,
except as a "fashion thing".  They make sense for AFF and tandem jumpmasters,
but on a regular RW load it's easier to read your neighbor's altimeter, and you
can only do that easily if everyone is wearing chest mounts.  Oh well...

Scott (traurig@ncavax.decnet.lockheed.com)
D-13279
From: artb@hplsla.hp.com (Art Bori)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 00:21:49 GMT
Subject: Re: Looking for pictures of formations
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving

Re: Computerized Dive Designer

Someone posted a wish list for a program that would let someone
design a dive and have the program show transitions, angles, etc.  There have  
been at least a couple of such programs written.  I think _Parachutist_ or
_Skydiving_ wrote articles about both of them a few years back.

I've seen one of them and it is pretty neat.  It uses stick figures and does
have some minor anomalies (such as jumpers occasionally flying over/through 
each other during transitions).  Overall, it is a pretty neat program and
really helps to show how much a jumper needs to turn, how far to fly to the
next point, etc.  It was used to help an 8-way team figure out the most
efficient way to get from one point to the next.  

Blue skies,
Art Bori
D-11402

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From: koning@koning.enet.dec.com (Paul Koning)
Subject: Re: Ithaca Skydiving
Reply-To: koning@koning.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Co., distributed systems architecture
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:53:50 GMT


In article <1992Sep8.175938.21735@cs.cornell.edu>, jaquith@cs.cornell.edu (Eric Jaquith) writes:
|>...
|>Off the subject:  Is skydiving a seasonal sport?  (Can I dive in the
|>COLD winter months here, etc.?)
|>
|>-JQ
|>jaquith@cs.cornell.edu

Yes and no.  Around here (Mass.) there is activity all year, but a lot less
in winter.  There seem to be more days with unsuitable weather (too much
wind) too.  On the other hand, on reasonably warm clear winter days,
it's NICE up there!

I made two jumps from 10,000' last New Year's day.  Your long johns may
vary...   :-)

Blue skies!

	paul, a-13683
From: 6500fly@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Carmen Mullenhoff)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Weeee...My first jump
Keywords: tandem
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:56:10 GMT
Distribution: rec

I went for my first skydive out at Lodi, CA on
Sunday.  It was a tandem jump and was a great way
to get introduced to such an incredibly exhilarating and
cool sport.
   
I'm so excited about it that I'm considering taking the
class (either static line or AFF). But I'm wondering if
now would be a good time with cooler weather on the way
or if it would be better to wait for Spring time?

Free falling in CA,
Carmen     
carmen@jinx.llnl.gov
From: bleck@aztec.ai.mit.edu (Olaf Bleck)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Collegiates--was Re: RW competitors
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:57:05 GMT
Reply-To: bleck@ai.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
cc: bleck

This is a plug for the collegiates.  SHOW UP!  IT'S A GRAND TIME!

If you're a "full time" student somewhere, you're likely to be eligible for
the collegiates.  Requirements are that 

1) You're taking the equivalent of 12 credit hours

and not more than one of the following:

2) more than 1000 jumps,
3) 5 years in sport,
4) 25 years old

The competition htis year will be in Clewiston, Florida (on the south edge of
Lake Okeechobee, the big round lake in south central Florida if you look on
the map), over new-years.  The dates are something like Dec. 27-Jan 2.

THIS IS A GREAT "FIRST" COMPETITION!

Events are:
2way RW (novices only)
4way RW
4way CRW 
Style, Novice,Int,Adv
Accuracy, Novice,Int,Adv

To be a novice, you have <100 freefalls at registration time, and
intermediate is less than 300 jumps or something like that.

There are five places in each event, and five overall, overall being
the highes combined accuracy and best other event score.

Many of the people there have never competed before, so for most people it's
a great learning experience.  It certainly got me excited about competition
skydiving!

There's always plenty of collegiate frivolity, plus at the end of the meet,
someone invariably organizes some collegiate record attempt.

Prizes:  for the overall winner, there's some scholarship money, and stuff. 
Plus there's some particular awards for notable categories, like 4-way and
accuracy.  Then, there's a raffle, which is the big deal, because everyone
wins something.  Big prizes include things like free rigs or parts thereof,
and last year Mike Mullins was there with his plane, and handed out something
like 60 certificates to his $99 boogie 'til you puke.

Cost:  Last year it was only about $150 for all the jumps for RW, style and
accuracy (11 jumps I think it was).  That included the banquet at the end,
and everything.  Rigging was free during the competition, so if you had a
problem they'd fix it.  (Time to take that reserve ride!!)

Anyway, it's a grand time and experience, so make plans now!

Email me if you have questions.

-Olaf
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
From: mark@virtech.uucp (Mark Smith)
Subject: The HERD boogie
Summary: the herd boogie was a rain out
Keywords: herd boogie
Reply-To: mark@vti.com
Organization: Virtual Technologies, Inc.
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:45:54 GMT

*sigh*

The herd boogie was rained/clouded out this year.  I'm told that people
jumped on Friday only, but Saturday, Sunday, and Monday were a no go.
Late Saturday there was one low pass to release Mr. Brady's ashes over
the dz.  Several jumpers jumped from the same bou on two passes.

I was in four seperate kick-ass volleyball games, but somehow it didn't
mean the same thing w/o the jumping.

The wet-t-shirt contest was as it ever was--very raunchy and revealing.
The most common phrase from the beer drenched crowd was "skin to win."
There was one almost-fight in the crowd (who knows what the hell happened,
but beer was spilling so it must have been important).  Personally, I
saw the first round and left.

I gave up on Sunday and went to visit a friend in Phillie.  Oh well.
It was good to see friends again and meet some new people.  Anyone else
have some better news about the herd?
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From: wain@decoy.uucp (25498-greenhalgh)
Subject: Re: Airspeed vs Groundspeed
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 17:56:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.113040.9895@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dsouth@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Dale Southard Jr.) writes:
>
>All this talk of ground speed and airspeed brings up a point I was
>discussing with an intermediate jumper this weekend.
>
>Canopy AIRSPEED is the same wether you are facing in an upwind, downwind
>or crosswind direction.  The only thing that changes is the GROUNDSPEED.
>
>I realize how obvious that statement is (generally, it is covered in most
>first jump courses), but I cannot count the number of times that I have
>overheard a jumpmaster/instructor telling others to turn into the wind
>to help inflate closed endcells...it doesn't help -- the canopy has
>the same airspeed into the wind as it does with the wind. (though
>it does keep you from blowing away if the winds are strong).
>

I agree the airspeed is always the same, however you do not want to
try to inflate end cells by flying
crosswind this will kep pressure on the sides of the end
cells and inhibit the inflation.  Remember during turblence it is best
to keep as straight to the wind as possible to keep end cells from
closing.



H. Wain Greenhalgh
wain@decoy.cc.bellcore.com
BELLCORE
Piscataway, NJ
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From: eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: Re: dreams
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 00:34:28 GMT

>Richard's article finally got me; I've had about 10 skydiving nightmares.
>anyone else? 
>

Only three for me:

1). No Money
2). No Beer
3). DZ closed

any others?
From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: first timer questions
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:10:56 GMT

Reply-to: Paul.Stansberry@p0.f22.n233.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Stansberry)
Fido-To: romulus!landru.mtc.ti.com!rm

Friday September 04 1992, romulus!landru.mtc.ti.com!rmfowler writes to Skydive:

 rmtc>         How dangerous is it?

No different than driving your car.

 rmtc>         Other than the obvious, what type of injuries can result.  I
 rmtc>         picture the landing as being really tough with 2 people strapped
 rmtc>         together.

My wife and I both did tandom jumps from 13500ft, and our landings were feather
light.

 rmtc>         For $50 extra I can have the jump video taped.  Do the videos
 rmtc>         turn out pretty good?

Wow, you are lucky, they were charging 70.00 in Quincy.  I didn't buy one.

 rmtc>         How far and how long will I fall before opening the chute?

We jumped from 13,500 and opened at about 4,000.  BTW, wear ear plugs, or a
helmet.  I did not, and the wind noise was a killer.  You should expect
incredible ear pressure, but no big deal.  The noise however is what got me.

 rmtc>         If anyone reading this is in the Dallas area, do you have any
 rmtc>         recommendations on where/who to jump with?  Most of the
 rmtc> companies        have similar prices so I guess I'd like to have some
 rmtc> other input        on which company to jump with.

It cost me 140.00 per person in Quincy IL. at the World FreeFall convention.

 rmtc>         Any other tips?

Have a great time.  We LOVED it.  We were hooked after that.

Oh yeah, One other thing.  Your mind will be clogged with all the new
sensations, try to get a good look around you, ie: the horizon, the ground,
others in the air if there are any, etc etc.  My entire fall, I just looked
down and concentrated too much on what I was told to do etc, and literally do
 NOT remember 99% of that jump.  The thing I do remember was that is was fun. Well, may I remember 30%.  :-)


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From: laubach@hpl.hp.com (Mark Laubach)
Subject: Re: Canopy Reaction To Wind (Was Re: Airspeed vs Groundspeed)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:52:06 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA
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Bill.Caefer writes

>The only word for that is: Nonsense.  A canopy can not and does not
>ever  feel anything but forward wind.  Think about it.

Weeell, try having 1/2 your canopy get caught in a pretty strong
turbulence situation, like a dust devil.  Yoiu canopy will feel it. 

--
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