HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: krawchuk@cs.sfu.ca (Bj Krawchuk)
Subject: Re: Post-trip free association problems -- is this normal?
Reply-To: krawchuk@cs.sfu.ca
Organization: Expert Systems Lab, Simon Fraser University
Date: 13 Aug 92 10:27:45


(Keith Lewis) wrote:
_________
kl> For some people it probably is.  I suspect that the true duration of an LSD
kl> trip is much longer than people think.  A user may not be feeling euphoric
kl> (or whatever) after twelve hours, but he's definitely not back to normal for
kl> at least a few days.  

I agree with this, though much of it might be a psychological reaction to
the intensity and mind-bendingness of the trip. For example, some people I know 
note a major slow-down and peacefulness sometimes a few weeks after a trip.
However, it cannot be the drug itself, since it is completely gone from the
body in roughly 4 days (and no residual effects in the brain are known yet).

Btw, problems with language (particularly confusion, and lack of ease in speaking)
seem to be common while on LSD. As Keith says, 9 hours later, the drug is probably
still very much in effect, though most signs of high might have left by this time.

kl> When can I do it again?
kl>     "In a week or two"
kl> Why not in eight hours?
kl>     "The tolerance lasts a week"
kl> So it seems there is at least one effect that lasts longer than the
kl> subjective 8 hours.

Hm. Minor quibble: tolerance increases rapidly, but this does not mean 
to say that taking acid the next day will do nothing for you -- this
is clearly false. You simply will probably have to take more than usual to
get equivalent effects. 

--
Bj   <brent@myka.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> 	(NeXTmail 
     <krawchuk@cs.sfu.ca> 		 desired)
	


	



Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: cklausme@jarthur.claremont.edu (Chris Klausmeier)
Subject: Holland Drug Classifications
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 00:12:58 GMT

From the NORML Summer Tour '92 Newsletter...

                Amsterdam Holland Drug Classifications
               And Potential Model For The United States
               -----------------------------------------

Ultra-hard drugs: heroin, crack

Hard drugs: morphine, cocaine, phencydeline, methadone, pethidene

Medium-hard drugs: amphetamines, barbituates, LSD, psilocybin, mescaline, 
                   chemical solvents, absinthe

Medium-soft drugs: opium, hashish, khat, coca, tobacco, distilled alcohol

Soft drugs: cannabis, fermented alcohol, peyote, hallucinogenic mushrooms, 
            codeine, tranquilizers

Ultra-soft drugs: tea, coffee, chocolate

--------
Now, I think this is a fairly good set-up, but I have one problem with it:
LSD, mescaline, and psilocybin seen as medium-hard drugs, when peyote and
'shrooms are categorized as soft. Aren't the effects of the raw forms
similar to the effects of the extracted or synthesized psychedelics?

-- Chris

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: archives
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:54:09 GMT

In article <18AUG199223381409@apsicc.aps.edu>, larson_s@apsicc.aps.edu (Shawn Larson) writes:
>Can someone please post or email the ftp site where the alt.drug archives are 
>kept?

Last I checked, they were available via anonymous ftp from
milton.u.washington.edu.  

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lagnaf@camelot.bradley.edu (Jeremy Styninger)
Subject: Re: LSD and Alcohol: What's The Difference?
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 15 Aug 92 05:49:03 GMT

In <h-7mj##.rcain@netcom.com> rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:

>RR04@bunny.gte.com (Rob Robertson) writes:
>:  (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:
>: > 
>: > That's me--hipper than thou personified.
>: > -- 
>: > Pete Hartman                   Bradley University 
>: 
>: Someday I hope I can be like Pete, but right now I'm having a hard time
>: just trying to be like me!
>: 
>I think I know what you mean.  I used to be different too but now I'm the same.


Bingo.  I started standing on my own head for a change.


Jeremy Styninger
lagnaf@camelot.bradley.edu
				"You'll have that...."
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs,soc.culture.usa
From: gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner)
Subject: Re: Satanic Crime units?? Re: WoD: Frontline Report
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:34:45 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Aug21.021758.552@nntp.hut.fi> jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:
>Are you actually serious?  Is this kind of thing really happening?
	In America it is.  America has long harbored a right wing 
	fringe that believed in a literal Satan.  Unfortunately
	the Republican party saw an opportunity to exploit cultural
	angst and future shock by bringing these people out of the 
	cultural backwater they inhabited and into the political
	mainstream of the Republican party.  The results have been 
	very sad for my country.  

>I must be having a time warp to the witch hunt era.
	No, unfortunately it is we in America that are having the time
	warp.  You are safe in Finland.  Count your blessings. ;-)



						smg


Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Long term LSD usage
Organization: American Math. Society
	<1992Aug12.160830.12757@bradley.bradley.edu>
	<1992Aug14.075828.26725@midway.uchicago.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:48:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.075828.26725@midway.uchicago.edu> bagg@quads.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott) writes:

   >   In article <1992Aug12.160830.12757@bradley.bradley.edu> pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) writes:

   >>Nothing concrete, but just look at Timothy Leary.  He's a bit spacey, but
   >>I'm told he's always been like that.  He certainly seems quite capable
   >>of all kinds of abstraction. :-)

   >That's funny.  I would think Leary'd count as evidence for chronic
   >LSD use being harmful.  For one thing, he's said very little new
   >in the past 10 years.


In that case we can add to the list of chronic LSD abusers:

George Bush          - who hasn't said anything new for the last four years.
All football coaches - who never say anything new 
Walt Whitman         - who hasn't said anything new for the last 100 years 
my mom               - who hasn't said anything new for as long as I can 
                       remember
Dan Quayle           - Uh, what was the question?
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: andersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson)
Subject: Re: hydroponics
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 03:31:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.140630.21253@linus.mitre.org> lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.055335.10471@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, andersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson) writes:
>>I was wondering and think I found a possible serious enterprise...  Since
>>selling hydroponics equipment _is_ legal, (isn't it?) how about buying 4-5
>>hydroponics setups at a time mail order and selling 'em at the flee market
>>for a hefty profit.  That way, people could buy them without putting their
>>name on a list.  Think it it would work?
>
>As a moneymaking venture?  Probably not.
>You might get a few growers started.
>
>And beware.  If the DEA or local cops notice this activity, they might just 
>put an undercover cop at the table next to yours to take down license plates
>of all your customers.  And if you sell to anybody who mentions "pot", they
>would probably confiscate your entire stock, along with your house, car,
>etc.

[...]

Yeah...  I guess I didn't think it all the way through... (I'm just tossing
out ideas right now).

Are there any hydroponics manufacturers, say, in Holland, whose mailing lists
the DEA can't sieze?

-marc
From: morley@Apple.COM (John Morley)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: _Go Ask Alice_ vs. "White Rabbit"
Summary: Alice is in WonderLand
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:12:05 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Aug12.074633.8758@genie.slhs.udel.edu>, carl@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Carl Devore) writes:
> I'm curious which came first:  _Go Ask Alice_ or Grace Slick's song "White
> Rabbit", which contains the line "Go ask Alice".  It seems pretty likely that
> one is a mockery of the other, but I can't tell which is which.  I've always
> considered the song to be strongly pro-drug, but when it came on the radio
> yesterday my roommate remarked "here's a rare example of a 60's anti-drug
> propaganda song which became popular".  

Grace's song is definitely not about the book "Go Ask Alice".  It is based
on Lewis Carroll's book "Alice in Wonderland" which most of us were exposed
to as children.  We were never told in grammar school that Carroll was into
eating hash, and I believe smoking opium as well.  Much of the book can be
interpreted along the lines of drug experience, and Grace's song is an attempt
to show the correlations.

As for whether the song is intended to promote or discourage experimentation
with drugs, I would suspect the former but everyone is free to have their
own interpretation (after all isn't that what art is about?).  Grace was
certainly known to explore using the psychoactive drugs, although like most
of the rockers from that era is less than enthusiastic about drug use in the
90's.

During the time that Grace was pregnant with China Kantner, Paul Kantner
organized a group that produced the classic psychedelic revolution album
"Blows Against the Empire".  Using the metaphor of inter-stellar travel as
a means of exploration (similar to the use of psychedelics) and hijacking the
empire's starship as a metaphor for political revolution, the album is
truly an inward and outward journey.  It features not only most of the original
Jefferson Airplane, but also Garcia and Lesh from the Dead, Crosby and Nash
from CSN, and a host of other luminaries from the San Francisco psychedelic
scene.  This album used to be mandatory equipment whenever I used to go flying
back in college.  It virtually guaranteed a safe landing whenever I encountered
any unexpected turbulance.

Just Reminiscing,
John

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From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LSD
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:36:57 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

In article <9208172327.AA18636@ccsg.tau.ac.il>, liron@CCSG.TAU.AC.IL (Liron Kapara) writes:
>I'm from Israel and I have some questions regarding 'Visual making drugs'
>1) Is there any home chemicals that you can mix and give u visials?

I hear PCP is easy to make.

>2) when taking hallusinative drugs I heard you get 'Flash Backs' is it
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ you mean hallucinogenic, right?
>  drug leftovers or just mind playing tricks?

Mostly the mind remembering an intense experience.  See the LSD FAQ.

>Does anybody know how where one can get hallusitative drugs (Legal one
>of course........ )

The Natural Highs FAQ will tell you about Morning Glory seeds, etc.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
From: morley@Apple.COM (John Morley)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: _Go Ask Alice_ vs. "White Rabbit"
Summary: Time is only relative
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:22:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <y64mnhg.rcain@netcom.com>, rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:
> pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) writes:
> : 
> : 
> : 2) The album _Surrealistic Pillow_ came out in 1969, I believe,
> : and I suspect the book wasn't out until the early 70's.  Anyone
> : with concrete info?
> 
> I don't know how concrete my memory is anymore but I first heard the
> album, I am pretty sure, as a college junior which would place it closer
> to 1966 or before.  I too am interested in a concrete answer.  Anybody
> got the vinyl?
> 
Surrealistic Pillow came out in 1967.  In 1966 the Airplane had just started
and released their first album "The Jefferson Airplane Takes Off" which didn't
have Grace Slick as a member yet (female vocalist was Signe Andersen).

What you probably remember hearing in 1966 is the same song performed by
Grace Slick and her husband at the time who where part of the group The Great
Society (anyone remember LBJ?).  She brought "White Rabbit" and "Somebody to
Love" with her when she joined the Airplane, and those two songs were 
considered theme songs during the Summer of Love in '67.

- John

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Naked Lunch (Joan Vollmer)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
 <1992Aug20.151819.8193@henson.cc.wwu.edu>
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 15:04:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.151819.8193@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.w
u.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
>wab@well.sf.ca.us (Doc Benzene) writes:
>
>>studies that cite eyewitness accounts agree (to varying
>>degrees, admittedly) that Joan goaded him in that particular
>>incident.  Yeah, most of the folks there were drunk but their
>>accounts agree on the basic facts.  Joan, apparently, could be
>>a real bitch when she was in the throes of Benzedrine fury.  Normally
>>this daredevil shooting act was his idea, but this one time
>>she suggested it and prodded him in his stupor to do it.
>
>Whether someone goaded him or how drunk he was has 0 relevence to
>his guilt or responsibility in the incident.  The act was stupid
>and unforgivable, and the death was his responsibility 100%.  He pointed
>a gun at someone's head and pulled the trigger.  Her death was a
>natural and predictable consequence of that act.  What the hell did
>he think was going to happen?
>
>He is just as guilty as the SWAT team shooter in Snohomish County Wa,
>who "accidentaly" killed the woman during a raid.   Same MO too, pointed
>a gun at her head and pulled the trigger.  (The early accounts of the
>raid said the poor man was "supprised" that the gun went off (as if it 
>wouldn't, when the operator pulls the trigger), and the papers refered 
>to the incident as a "gun misfire".)
>
>Jim Del Vecchio


 BOLLOCKS! Farts in the wind! We're not discussing his guilt and he's not
on trial here...

St. Anthony

--
 If mail barfs, send it to the ip #: aankrom@130.253.192.68   

                       dAdaMatriX
      I've lost my memories to all my fears...
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: Photosynthesis Philosophy.
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 12:55:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.174406.7831@informix.com>, dsimon@informix.com (Don Simon) writes:
>Halogens tend to produce a fuller spectrum of light than either flourecent or
>incandecent, as I understand it.  Some people though, are claiming that it
>causes  cancer, I personally find that hard to believe.

UV (short) does cause cancer. 

No commonly used light will produce much of these wavelengths, so you're
safe with halogens.  I don't know how much UV (long) they produce, but I
doubt it has any effect on tomatoes, hemp, or humans.  They *do* put out
much more IR than fluorescents do, though.  IR is no good for plants; it
dehydrates them.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: dlwood@mothra.cns.syr.edu (David L Wood)
Subject: Re: Robo DM
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 13:58:32 EDT

In article <batboy.713653711@milton> batboy@milton.u.washington.edu (Thomas Radke) writes:
>Have you folks tried this stuff?

Absolutely!

[ stuff about chickens deleted ]

>Here's where the problem comes in.  Each time after that first, I got a
>little sicker.  The third time, say, I puked after about 15 min (purple,
>blah) but continued to have an outstanding time.  In following
>experiences, I puked sooner and sooner and felt more sick and less happy
>throughout the evening.  What's worse, each time it becomes harder and
>harder to swallow that thick syrupy crap.  Just the smell,now, makes
>me want to lighten-me-load.  And its real tough to mask that taste with
>any chaser.

I have had similar experiences, but I think it's more psychological
that physical.  The smell and STRONG taste have lasting psychological
effects.  I find that taking a long time to drink the 4oz. of Robo helps,
as long as you don't think at ALL about the syrup.  Thinking about it now,
does make me feel sick. :-)  Plugging your nose while drinking it helps,
since your taste sense depends on your sense of smell.  I wouldn't mix it
with anything to thin it, that just prolongs the time it takes to drink it.

Hope this helps!
--
+-----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+
| dlwood@mailbox.syr.edu      | Gigs and gigs of NiCad memory, bummer.. |
| Cybernaut, with a thought.  | Why buy the leading brand; 90% hate it. |
+-----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.guns
From: dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton)
Subject: Re: Availability of chlorpromazine and hypodermic dart guns?
Organization: Intermetrics Inc., Washington Division, USA
	<1992Aug17.195959.13543@ttinews.tti.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:09:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.195959.13543@ttinews.tti.com> reid@metis.tti.com
(Reid Kneeland) writes:

   This got me thinking (it does happen occasionally).  Why couldn't
   someone design a drug-adminsitering weapon for self-defense?  I'd
   think that a load of pentothal (or whatever) would drop an attacker
   very quickly.  What would be the best drug to use?  Has anyone done
   this?  How might it work?  Would a needle be necessary, or could it
   use a jet of DMSO (or something similar) to the face as a delivery
   mechanism?

I am surprised that none of the responses to this suggestion have
brought up the simple fact that it won't work.  I notice that this is
also posted to alt.drugs; perhaps one of the regular readers there who
are more knowledgable than myself, such as the infamous Steve Dyer,
can elaborate and correct my comments.

Dosages of any drug that can cause anything near quick unconsciousness
are not standardized.  A dose that will barely faze one person will
kill another.  Anesthesiology is a complex discipline, for just this
reason.  People die in operating rooms, under close to ideal
conditions and with trained medical personnel in constant attendance,
because anesthetics do not have uniform effects accross the
population.

Nor are delivery mechanics simple.  A needle that can penetrate a
heavy coat (leather or some such) and deliver an appropriate dose will
kill if it hits the wrong spot (and there are a lot of them).  A
delivery system that gives enough velocity to reliably penetrate a
wide range of clothing, even if a "safe" needle existed, will kill if
it hits an unprotected area (such as the head or neck).

The reason no one has made a reliable "stun gun" (tasers are NOT
reliable) is simply because we don't have the technology to do so.
The Green Hornet and other fictional characters notwithstanding.

					Dave Barton
					dlb@hudson.wash.inmet.com
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bagg@quads.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Subject: Re: speed anyone? (info that is)
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:32:57 GMT

In article <l94b20INNedg@aludra.usc.edu> rengen@aludra.usc.edu (Robert Engen) writes:

>I could not find this in any of the FAQ's, so...
>
>Does anyone have any info on "speed".  I'm NOT looking for typical
>"urban myth", but rather "real" info.  Preferably something with
>references. 

An observation: these sort of requests are difficult to answer since
they essentially call for someone to write an organized FAQ file on
the relevant drug(s).  While such files are theoretically in the
works, one could get a more timely answer by doing some basic
research in a library and then asking specific questions.  Or one
could skip the research and risk asking foolish questions.  

>also, please e-mail the responses.
>
>thanks.
>robert.
>
>rengen@usc.edu

--Matt Baggott


Xref: sparky alt.drugs:14929 talk.politics.drugs:5919
From: atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: WoD: Frontline Report -- meeting a POW (19-Aug-92)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 10:16:35 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>In fact, the state's Satanic Crime unit WAS investigating him for
>the catchall "Satanic Crimes".  

So now the USA has its own catchall crime, as in the classic Soviet
catchall crime of "hooliganism".  It's springtime for Stalin...

>I will just note that this is an indicator of the mentalities that
>have gained a foothold in the system since Ronnie Reagan and his
>group embraced the moral mullahs when putting together their 
>political coalition.

I will just note that rhetoric about the Horrible Ghastly Drug Lords
With Their Gold Chains And Fancy Cars Bought With Their Dirty Filthy
Profits--and the plague of property forfeitures to which it has
led--is an indicator of the mentalities that have gained a foothold
in the system since Frankie Rooseveldt and his group embraced the
*collectivist* moral mullahs when putting together their political
coalition against "malefactors of great wealth".


    Alan T. Furman         | VOTE LIBERTARIAN!!  Marrou/Lord in 92!!
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From: chm016@muvms3.bitnet (Real Men Use C)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: MDMA FAQ
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:03:51 GMT
Organization: Marshall University


Could someone tell me where i could get alt.drugs FAQ on MDMA?
			
			Thanks,


CHM016@muvms3.mu.wvnet.edu
BLAKE@secs.ucsc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs