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From: int452w@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Michael R. Geddes)
Subject: Forth Compiler for 87c198  wanted.
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:45:53 GMT

Does anyone know if a forth  for the 87c198 (intel I think) exists? 
The chip will be running without external memory .. I think it has 
4k no.. um 14k ?? PROM (E^2.. I think) and 128/256 bytes RAM.

ANY information would be appreciated.

Michael Geddes
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Subject: Forth on-line resources
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Date: 12 Nov 92 11:35:36 GMT
Organization: EIEI-U

Category 14,  Topic 4
Message 158       Wed Nov 11, 1992
ELLIOTT.C                    at 12:27 EST
 
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 Conf: R-FORTH (584)

 Tad Turner * So are all the "Coast  FORTH Boards" defunct, like
              ECFB? If so,  where  did  all  the  files  go?  They
              had some great tutorials if I remember correctly.
              Best, Tad
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Subject: Forth and Novell Netware
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:01:38 GMT
Organization: EIEI-U

Category 2,  Topic 27
Message 2         Fri Nov 06, 1992
G.LEFAVE [Gene]              at 05:06 EST
 
I've done a bit of stuff with novell and polyFORTH.   It's relatively straight
forward if you can write a few ASM interface routines.  You need to get the
DOS interface manuals from Novell. They describe the calls at the ASM level,
and are pretty detailed.
 I've also called BTRIEVE from FORTH, again it's pretty straight forward once
you write a couple of calling words in asm.

Gene
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From: mikeh@kralizec.zeta.org.au (Michael Hore)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth
Subject: Mops AppleEvent bug fix
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:05:36 GMT
Organization: Kralizec Dialup Unix Sydney: +61-2-837-1183 V.32


Due to an overwhelming number of requests (well all right, there was one),
here's the patch to fix the AppleEvents bug in Mops.

First, a warning:  Don't do this patch then save the patched nucleus.
I first thought that might work, but it doesn't.  It only works in
installed applications.  AppleEvents work OK in the Mops development
environment as it is -- you only need this patch to make installed
applications work with AppleEvents.

So when you're ready to install an application, do the patch, then
install.  Make absolutely sure you click "install" in the dialog,
NOT "save".  Maybe you'd better save a copy of the nucleus off on a
floppy first, anyway!

Also, I don't think this will work *except* under System 7.  It might,
or it mightn't.  I haven't checked it.

OK, here goes.  Type:

hex
4e714e71 dup
lobase 9a0e -  !
lobase 98f0 -  !

That's it.  Assembly hackers will recognize 4e714e71 as two NOP's
-- I'm wiping out a BRA and a BSR.  Good luck!

--  Mike.

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From: a7657@mindlink.bc.ca (Stephen H. Kawamoto)
Subject: Hench4th
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 23:30:36 GMT

Where is Hence4th (ref: Q14 Forth.FAQ)?
Anyone using this 4th? (This means you, fish@ecst.csuchico.edu (Kevin
Haddock))


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     Of the mind,
     Do not be mindless."
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From: larry@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Larry Maturo)
Subject: Starting Forth - Chapter 2 exercies
Organization: Applied Research Labs, The University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: comp
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:17:50 GMT

I am trying to learn Forth using Starting Forth, second edition and Pygmy Forth.
Some of the exercises at the end of chapter 2 seem to require that you access the
stack down aways.  I'm not sure how to do that with the material introduced up
to this point in the book.  Also, how do you, in general, access the stuff below
the stack top?  Starting Forth had 2SWAP and 2OVER and Pgymy Forth did'nt so I
added them using the assembler.  I noticed in doing so that I used registers to
temporarily hold things from the stack.  Does Forth have something similar to
registers (variables?) that can temporarily hold things from the stack?  Should
I just blow this off for now and continue with the book?

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Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth
Subject: Forth and Novell Netware, etc.
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:44:29 GMT
Organization: EIEI-U

Category 2,  Topic 27
Message 3         Mon Nov 09, 1992
ELLIOTT.C                    at 16:34 EST
 
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 From: DON MADSON
 Subj: FORTH AND NETWORKS

 JG>My problem is I really do not have any idea how to implement
 this or JG>interface Forth with a Novell network.  Any ideas?

 You can interface to a network on a msdos based PC just like you
 interface to the operating system, using software interrupts. The
 book "Running Lantastic" by Adrian J. King shows the interrupts &
 functions used by that network. A file containing the info is
 available on the rtiFacts BBS on in the ArtiSoft forum on
 CompuServe. AThe dos program SHARE handles the record and file
 locking. These interrupts are found in and DOS programmers
 manual.

 Many programs are usable on any standard network if you don't use
 and out of the ordinary interrupts.

 You can also run a, non-network-smart, standard program on any
 network just by using the redirected disk drive letter. I have
 two servers one is drive K: and the other is drive S:. I just use
 these letters instead of drive C:, which is their local
 designation. I also have two printers, one on each server, both
 are connected to lpt1, but are redirected on the network to
 appear as lpt1 and lpt2. ---
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From: "elliott chapin" <elliott.chapin@canrem.com>
Subject: what's right with sta
Reply-To: "elliott chapin" <elliott.chapin@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:00:04 EST

MG>Yes, for simple arithmetic expressions, they allow way cool
MG>optimizations. But what do you do when you get to things like CSE? DUP
MG>DUP SWAP SWAP ROT? Hardly efficient! 2 memory accesses for DUP, 4 for

Why would anybody write that in the first place?

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From: danwood@netcom.com (Daniel J Wood)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth
Subject: What's current F-PC version #?
Keywords: F-PC forth MS-DOS version
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:09:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Nov9.230905.2445
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Quick question: what's the current version of F-PC?

Last one I saw was 3.56.

E-mail a reply, to keep the group unclogged......

Thanks.
Danwood@netcom.com
From: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us (Doug Philips)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth
Subject: REPOST:  Forth FTP archive site info.
Date: 9 Nov 92 12:24:20 GMT
Organization: EIEI-U


From: paf@calimero.inescn.pt (Paulo Alexandre Duarte Ferreira)
Subject: Forth FTP archive anouncement
Keywords: archive ftp
Date: 18 Sep 92 15:06:18 GMT
Reply-To: p_ferreira@inescn.pt

A forth software archive has been created on the machine 
asterix.inescn.pt ( 192.35.246.17 ), on the directory pub/forth.
 
 The archive consists mainly of the FIG library from GENIE.
 
Any submissions, complaints, suggestions are welcome.

 As this archive is physically in Portugal ( GMT timezone ) please
use this archive by night if you are in Europe, or in the afternoon-night if
you are in  America.

 
 
Here is a copy of the pub/forth/README file
                 
--------------------------- README -----------------------
 
 
  This archive contains a copy of the FIG archives on GENIE.
 
  The copy is not complete, or well distributed by directories.
 
  To get the list of files avaliable get ls-lR.Z
 
  To get the list of files from Genie, with descriptions get the file
 pub/forth/filedocs/files.arc
 
  To get unarchivers see the pub/PC/archivers/directory 
 
 As this archive is physically in Portugal ( GMT timezone ) please
use this archive by night if you are in Europe, or in the afternoon if
you are in  America.
 
 For complaints, suggestions, flames email p_ferreira@inescn.pt 
 
Thanks to the Forth Interest Group's library on GEnie, these files exist
to be distributed.  Thanks to the Forth Interest Group for allowing these
files to be distributed from other than their GEnie library.  The files in
this archive that originated in FIG's library on GEnie were sent to this
archive via Doug Philips' FNEAS server.  If you find that any of the files
are damaged, please send mail to the above address so that the damaged
files can be replaced.
---------------------------- end of README -------------------------------

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From: ForthNet@willett.pgh.pa.us (ForthNet articles from GEnie)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth
Subject: Who's here
Date: 8 Nov 92 12:36:40 GMT
Organization: EIEI-U

Category 1,  Topic 8
Message 49        Sat Nov 07, 1992
ELLIOTT.C                    at 22:59 EST
 
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   To: ALL From: GREG HOLDREN Subj: NEW USER

 Hello All,

 Just checked in to check out the world of Forth. Here is a real
 basic question: Whats a good entry level book on the language?

 Thanks all

 Greg Holdren gregh@hprnls1c.rose.hp.com

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   To: GREG HOLDREN From: JACK WOEHR Subj: NEW USER

 -> Just checked in to check out the world of Forth. Here is a
 real basic -> question: Whats a good entry level book on the
 language?

         _Starting Forth_ by Leo Brodie ISBN 0-13-84307-X
 Prentice-Hall 1987 (2nd. Edition) is the classic.

         My book _ANS Forth: the New Model_ is due out from M & T
 Books (Dr. Dobbs) in December or January.

                 =jax=

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From: KOH@mindlink.bc.ca (Kenneth O'Heskin)
Subject: Forth Books
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:13:15 GMT


        Re: Forth books for the new user

        Two items have arrived into my space in the last 2 days that
        indicate the book situation isn't totally bleak.

        The first is Michael Ham's tutorial distributed with the
        purchase of an LMI Forth system.  A pleasant surprise, since
        my only concern was to own an LMI license. It looks excellent
        with many useful demos in source form (disk supplied). Though
        much of the Forth appears to be generic Forth-83, a beginner
        would have to use it with UR/Forth.

        The second is a "Computer Science Silver Sale 1992" advert
        sent by Springer-Verlag, which they list their 1984 book
        "Forth". It is quite a good introduction to FIG-type traditional
        Forth systems, which lends some support to those who feel the
        greatest strength of the "glass box" model is educational. It
        isn't Starting Forth, but does have the virtue of being on a
        major publisher's current list.



         Programming for the Utter Beginner who has an MS-DOS Computer
         A Tutorial for LMI UR/FORTH
         by          Michael Ham
                     1991/442pp/looseleaf bound
         cost        US$ 75. (if ordered separately)
         Publisher   Laboratory Microsystems Inc.
                     12555 West Jefferson Blvd. Suite 202
                     Los Angeles, CA 90066 USA
                     order desk: (310) 306-7412   fax: (310) 301-0761

         FORTH
         by          W.P. Salman, O. Tisserand and B. Toulout
                     1984/159pp/softcover/  ISBN 0-387-91256-8
         cost        list US$ 27.,  sale price US$ 19.50
         Publisher   Springer-Verlag New York, Inc.
                     175 Fifth Avenue
                     New York, NY 10010  USA
                     " To order, call: 1-800-SPRINGER or visit
                       your local technical bookstore"


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From: mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas)
Subject: Re: Graphics (was Re: Floating Point)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 02:28:00 GMT
Organization: StarNine Technologies, Inc.

In article <BEVAN.92Nov3171422@hippo.cs.man.ac.uk> bevan@cs.man.ac.uk (Stephen J Bevan) writes:
>In article <Bx4Cpt.87I@starnine.com> mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas) writes:
>   This concept needs to be extended to such simple graphic concepts
>   such as DrawLine(), DrawPoint(), GoTo(), etc, as well as the
>   more complex needs such as 3d transformations, scaling, etc.
>
>I thought it already had: first there was GKS, now there is PHIGS and
>RenderMan.  Whether they are quick enough (or even supported) on your
>platform is another matter of course :-)
>
>bevan

Perhaps the best argument for not adopting a current methodology,
at least to the point where it is impractical to map the decided-upon
interface onto any existing underpinnings.

As an aside, I think it is interesting that Forth has no
standard graphics interface, perhaps never will, and one
of the most popular existing graphics languages is an interactive
Forth-cousin called PostScript.
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From: jax@well.sf.ca.us (Jack J. Woehr)
Subject: Re: Forth books
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:58:27 GMT

In <9211082018.AA13531@im4> dmiller@im.lcs.mit.edu (Dick and Jill Miller) writes:

> Trust me, 
>NO book publisher will touch Forth

	Why, you very silly person, you! :-) My 350+ page book,
_ANS Forth: the New Model is due out from M & T Books (Dr. Dobbs)
in December or January.

	That's ok, Dick, we still trust ya! :-)

			=jax=
From: uucp@memco.fidonet.org (Bruce Casner)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth
Subject: FAQ
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 12:01:55 CST
Organization: MILLER Electric, Appleton, WI

I've only been getting this newsgroup for a little while.  Is there a FAQ?  I 
am particularly interested in C vs. Forth (no flames, please, just reasoned 
arguments) for teams of developers of embedded micro applications. 

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Subject: From the xCFB's / ForthNet
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:44:31 GMT
Organization: EIEI-U

Category 14,  Topic 2
Message 61        Mon Nov 09, 1992
ELLIOTT.C                    at 21:33 EST
 
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 So are all the "Coast FORTH Boards" defunct, like ECFB?  If so,
 where did all the files go?   They had some great tutorials if I
 remember correctly.  Best, Tad

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 -> So are all the "Coast FORTH Boards" defunct, like ECFB?  If
 so, where -> did all the files go?   They had some great
 tutorials if I remember -> correctly.  Best, Tad


         ECFB is now Monument BBS in Monument, Colorado. Has Forth
 files, is not listed as a "Forth-oriented" BBS anymore. J.
 Shifrin still in charge.

         NCFB gone.

         BCFB on and off, not sure of current status.

         WCFB is gone, Ray runs the LMI Forth Board exclusively
 now.

         RCFB 4 years, 20,000 calls and going strong!

                 =jax=

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From: slazzeri@seas.gwu.edu (Santos Lazzeri)
Subject: REFERENCES ABOUT PROGRAPH
Organization: George Washington University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:17:50 GMT

Hello Everybody:

Could anyone please provide me with information or references about
PROGRAPH, is there a FTP site where I can get a demo of it?

Thanks,

Santos G. Lazzeri
 
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From: nharvey@probitas.cs.utas.edu.au (Nicole Harvey)
Subject: VPLLIST
Summary: How to get attached
Keywords: VPLLIST
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 04:43:27 GMT

hi,
   The mailing list VPLLIST@sushi.stanford.edu is supposed to be a good
supply of information about visual languages in general. 
   I tried mailing to the list at the above address but it wouldnt let me.
   Has anyone heard of this list, and how can I find out some more information
about it.

Nicole Harvey
nharvey@probitas.cs.utas.edu.au
From: bevan@cs.man.ac.uk (Stephen J Bevan)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.misc
Subject: Re: A challenge to the anti-goto
Date: 4 Nov 92 20:43:33 GMT
	<BEVAN.92Nov3211454@hippo.cs.man.ac.uk>
	<Bx6z1J.57r@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Manchester
In-reply-to: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu's message of 4 Nov 92 12:36:55 GMT

In article <Bx6z1J.57r@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:

   [ you could use continuations ]

   There are two major problems with this.  For one, the stack grows with
   the non-returns, and taking care of this would be at least as bad as
   garbage collection, if not worse, as stack locations are, for extremely
   good reasons, not globally known.  For another, this does not handle
   procedures which continue the resource use of the current procedure.

If the whole thing is written using continuations, then the stack does
not have to grow at all as each function has no "return" it only has a
"goto next" call at the end.  As for using values in the current
"procedure", pass them as parameters, the compiler _should_ notice
that they are being used in a routine that is being "goto'd to" and so
not actually push them on the stack or otherwise shuffle them about.
If I had a (cooperative) Scheme compiler online I'd try this out to
see what sort of code it produces, but I don't, so I can't :-<

bevan
From: tb06@CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (TERRENCE MONROE BRANNON)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.misc
Subject: Re: languages which allow the introduction of new operators
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:50:10 GMT
	<veit.721491920@du9ds3>
Organization: Lehigh University, Bethlehem, PA



   >Lisp.  Forth.  Postscript.  Smalltalk.  Full PL/I had the ability
   >to coin new statement types and keywords (though not new
   >expression syntax).

   You forgot Prolog.

tcl . 

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