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From: aq115@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert C Glover)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: GEMulator
Date: 7 Apr 92 01:39:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr7.013940.25532
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


I don't see much point in GEMulator.  I mean, for the cost of
the board, plus the TOS ROMs for it, you can buy a used ST
anyway.  If you want to run ST stuff faster, get an acclerator
for the machine.  The reason the screen update is so slow on PC's
is because of their inferior technology to the ST, Mac, and Amiga.
PC's are junk.  Period.  So what if they have ten times as much
software.  All but the latest is pretty lacking in quality, and
even the newest stuff is ages behind the best stuff for the ST.
Look at Pagestream, Calamus, DynaCAD, Avant Vector, etc.
 
I don't mean to sound quite as 'flaming' as I do, but I really
don't like Darek's attitude.  Ever since he released ST-Xformer
2.55 (the 8-bit emulator), he included a text file with it
flaming Atari and saying he'd had it with them and everything.
He said he was going to make an emulator for PC's, so when Atari
is dead and gone, people can still run ST stuff.
 
I think that if Atari did fold up, not many people would care
to run ST stuff anymore.  Just the old diehards, like the current
8-bit users (I'm one) might consider it neat.
 
I just don't see the point.
 
Rob
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From: robin@castle.ed.ac.uk (R C Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: TeX:  what...how?
Date: 13 Apr 92 10:06:37 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <morrison.703145823@ee.ualberta.ca> morrison@ee.ualberta.ca (Robert Morrison) writes:
>Hey,
>
>	What is TeX?  

TeX is a very useful powerful typesetting language... You create a .tex
ASCII file that contains your text and formatting commands, run this
through TeX and this creates a .dvi file (DeVice Independant) file, this
.dvi file can be converted to screen display with e.g. showdvi, or to
any printer with the relevant driver e.g. dvips to convert to
postscript.

I use LaTeX which is a higher level set of TeX macros to create
documents.

Some kind soul has written a document on how to install TeX (I forget
his name). I think you need (at least) 2Mb RAM and ~3Mb disk (alot of
different sized fonts).


Robin..
From: lefrm00@terre.DMI.USherb.CA (MARTIN K. LEFRANCOIS)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: HELP ME on TOS 1.? 2.? 3.?
Summary: I need your help.
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:54:30 GMT
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- DMI


   I need your help,
   	I'm a student at the Universite de Sherbrooke in Quebec, Canada.  I
   have to make a presentation in front of the class on operating
   system concepts, my choice was the TOS.
   I have more than 30 magazines on ST and 3 books from Micro Application,
   but I can't find what I looking for.
 
  I want to know:
  
  -What TOS is for?  Tramiel Operating System???

  -What does TOS do?

  -What is the diference between TOS 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, 1.4, 1.6 and 1.65??

	I know that TOS 1.0 and 1.1 was on disk, TOS 1.2 was a chip, and
   from TOS 1.4 when you format a disk it use MS-DOS type. 
   
  -What version is the Rainbow TOS? what does it do than the others dont?

  -What is the new features on TOS 2.? an TOS 3.?


   I know I ask you a lot, but I REALY NEED THESE INFORMATIONS. 

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From: Chuck.Grimsby@p1.f47.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Chuck Grimsby)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: GFA Basic 2.0 EXEC command
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 06:07:07 -0600


In a message of <Apr 04 02:44>, Eric Kolkmeier (1:282/31) writes:
 >From: b790zbc@utarlg.uta.edu (Eric Kolkmeier)
 >Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st

 >I've been having a bit of trouble with the EXEC command from GFA Basic 
 >2.0.
 >The manual says the input is EXEC flg,nam,cmd,env where flg=0 load and 
 >run, or flg=3 just load.  nam is the string that holds the name of the 
 >program to run.  cmd is the command line (this is the problem) and env is
 >the environment.
 >The manual states that if cmd is not going to be empty i.e. "", the
 >(cmd is C$) format is Chr$(Len(C$)) + C$ + Chr$(0).  I can't get that to 
 >work.
 >If someone has an example, or could point me to one, I would appreciate 
 >it.

REM Reserve some memory for GFA to use
RESERVE 6000
REM here is how the EXEC command works
REM It will use the program 'ARC.TTP' on the C drive in the folder UTILITYS
REM and pass the command 'X C:\DOWNLOAD\FILENAME.EXE *.*' to ARC.TTP
a%=EXEC(0,"C:\UTILITYS\ARC.TTP","X C:\DOWNLOAD\FILENAME.EXE *.*","")
REM Return the memory back to GFA when ARC.TTP is done
RESERVE

a% will hold a value that will indicate how ARC.TTP did.  This number is the 
number returned from ARC.TTP.  A zero indicates that all went well.  The most 
common number other then zero that will be in a% is -39 (Out of memory) in 
which case you need to increase the RESERVE number.  If you get -33 (file not 
found) or -34 (path not found) then you typed in the wrong path or filename in 
the 'prg' part.  Dispite what the manual says, you do not have to terminate 
each part with a CHR$(0).  GFA does that automatically for you.

Rather then doing all that stuff you did above with C$, it's much easier to 
just do this:

C$=C$+CHR$(0)

Works the same way in GFA.

BTW, dump GFA 2.0 and get 3.x.  It's only $150, and the improvements are WELL 
worth the upgrade fee!
  

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From: darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: JPEG 3.x Binaries for ST ???
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:27:21 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

dingelde@igd.fhg.de (Dennis Dingeldein) writes:

> I am wondering that I haven't found a newer version of the JPEG-Filter
> Software on atari.archive.umich.edu (It's still 1.x there). 
> Newer versions of that software are 
> 	- faster
> 	- able to produce directly gif files (instead of ppm-files)
> 
> Could some of the guys with some megabytes and gcc 1.4x compile
> the software and make them available for poor 1MByte-users ????

And while you're at it, could somebody put it up on GEnie?  Atari.archive is
real inconvenient for us non-FTP folks.

Or, if it's not too big (>200K), send me the uucoded version, and I'd be
happy to put it there for you.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY)
Subject: GEMULATOR (Stuff that was not posted)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:18:04 GMT

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: GEMULATOR
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
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Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Keywords: 

In article <1992Apr6.165652.2291@watmath.waterloo.edu> ljdickey@watmath.waterloo.edu (L. J. Dickey) writes:
>The Gemulator from Branch Always Software was shown at the Toronto
>Atari show this past weekend.  It is a program that runs on an IBM PC
>and emulates an Atari ST.  Derek Michoka was there with a 33 MHz clone
>runs the Gemulator at about 85% of the speed (my timings) of an 8 MHz
>ST.  One surprise for me was that the Gemulator can run inside window
>on the PC.  I won't be running out right away to buy the Gemulator,
>because my Atari is still going fine.  When the day comes that I want to
>double the speed of my ST programs, it may make more sense to get a 16
>MHz Atari than a 70 MHz PC clone.  But, it is nice to know that there
>is some insurance out there, because if (when?) Atari folds up, there
>is a path in the PC clone line that would allow me to run some of my
>favorite Atari software.  If someone is forced to move to a PC and they
>still want to run their Atari programs, the Gemulator provides a way to
>do it.

And this was a 386-33Mhz clone? (READ FROM A PREVIOUS POSTING OF WHAT
DEREK WAS SETTING IT ON).  It's amazing,
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: GEMULATOR (WAS RE: SUDDEN VIEW VS.
Summary: 
Expires: 
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Keywords: 

In article <1992Apr6.161200.13263@umiami.ir.miami.edu> dlk0ms9s@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
>In article <12367@umd5.umd.edu>, adhir@cygnus.umd.edu (Alok Dhir) writes:
>> In article <1992Apr5.151539.15944@imada.ou.dk> micro@imada.ou.dk (Klaus  
>> Pedersen) writes:
>>> hrs@aber.ac.uk (Herbert Martin Sauro) writes:
>>> 
>> DOS/Windows/OS/2 apps.  Another cool thing is that Darek was hinting  
>> towards the fact that it will actually run Spectre 3.0!  So we'll have  
>> Mac, ST and PC in one box.
>
>
>  We already have one!  It is called an ST plus GCR plus At ONCE!
>
What you have is a 16Mhz(?) SX, what is offered is a GEMULATOR running on
a DX and allows for more expansions and speed all using one monitor in
SVGA running in a window on OS/2 multitasking.  Another fact is that
the GEMULATOR allows emulation of all ST rez, the AT ONCE needs an VGA
or an SVGA card along with another monitor.  PC-Ditto II and I (I use
to have) only allows emulation of CGA and takes up the whole entire cpu
and screen (with emulation of less than an XT speed).
From: samm@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Sam Marshall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Maple (Was: None
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:22:49 GMT
Reply-To: samm@aifh.ed.ac.uk ()
Organization: Dept AI, Edinburgh University, Scotland

For a stats package, you might like to try BSTAT. It's public Domain but
very comprehensive and has graph plotting capabilities. Needs a meg and
Hi Res.

        Sam.
From: Anthony V. Paul
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Golden Image Scanner troubles
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:57:33 GMT
Reply-To: ttpui@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research

I just bought a Golden Image hand scanner, but am having some troubles.

When I scan an image, it seems to take whatever the middle inch of the 
scanner goes over, and then stretches it out on the screen to make it the
4+ inches the scanner covers.

if I dragged the scanner down over 


							test


I would get


		ttttttttttt   eeeeeeeeeee   sssssssssss   tttttttttttt

ie, the t would be that wide, not made up from t's

I hope I just have some setting wrong or something?
Any info greatly appreciated.

is all.  (I got that from somebody, I like it, he gets credit)

Anthony Paul
ttpui@bnr.ca

 
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From: vince@sci.kun.nl (V.G.J.M. Stoks)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Archivers
Date: 10 Apr 92 10:57:35 GMT
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands

Hello,

Could somebody give me his/her opinion about the best archiver for the
ST? Is is LHarc, Arc 6.x, Zoo 2.1? XLHarc? I will probably want to use
it under MiNT as well as under TOS. I suppose I could go home and pack
my HD with every one of them and see which archive is the smallest,
but I reckon somebody must have done a similar thing already.

Thanks!

Sander SToks,
vince@pomeron.sci.kun.nl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: plate@cdsmn.mn.org (Doug Plate)
Subject: Re: OverScan Mod
Reply-To: plate@cdsmn.UUCP (Doug Plate)
Organization: Dicomed Inc, Burnsville, MN.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 18:47:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.034751.14191@umbc3.umbc.edu> ac999108@umbc5.umbc.edu (ac999108) writes:
>Hey all out there is Hardware Modding land.  I was considering playing with 
>the Overscan mod due to its incredible complexity (A couple of components.. :)
>but don't know if its worth it.  Has anyone out there put it in?  Is it worth
>it?  Any tips or comments about it?  If so, drop me a line...  thanks..
>
>
>-- 
MEE TOO!!  Please post opinions.

>   /------------/ Paul Danckaert /---------------------------------------/
>   /----------------------/ Ac999108@Umbc5.Umbc.Edu /--------------------/
>   /----/ Fnet#500 /-------------------/ GEnie: P.Danckaert /------------/
From: steve@thelake.mn.org (Steve Yelvington)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: File number limit ?
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:34:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: thelake.A1683298438

[In article <7252@laas.laas.fr>,
     doucet@ripolin.laas.fr (Jean-Etienne Doucet,149,6323) writes ... ]

 >   - is 128 a limit for the number of files that can fit on a floppy ?
 >   - or is this a limit for just one directory ?
 >   - or have I problems with my machine ?

You've run out of room in the root directory, which is of a fixed size.
Subdirectories are really a special type of file, and can be expanded
to contain any number of entries.

In other words, put your files into a folder and you won't have this
problem.

 ---
 Steve Yelvington              Marine on St. Croix, Minnesota, USA 
 steve@thelake.mn.org          umn-cs!thelake!steve 
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From: lawrence@access.isc-br.com (Lawrence Kelley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.8bit,misc.forsale.computers,pnw.forsale
Subject: Supra 32Meg Hard Drive for Atari ST for Sale
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:25:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo

Good condition in a shoebox case.  Includes power supply, interface, 
documentation and Supra utilities. 

Ready to attach to an Atari ST and run.

$275 or best offer

Terms: as is. - shipped U.P.S. C.O.D. - buyer pays shipping and C.O.D. charges.

Lawrence Kelley 

Internet mail

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From: ziggy@grafted.UUCP (anthony lewis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: MegaSTE Video
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:22:02 GMT
Organization: GRAFTED, Central Indiana's Usenet BBS 317-881-4369


                Just wondering if there is a 24 bit video card for
the MegaSTE yet, as well as memory expansion beyond the 4mb system board
limit ( VM? ). Also, does anyone that sells MegaSTE's take payments? 
( not much free $$.... just bought a '386 for Linux..... ).

                Thanks in advance! Long live Atari Hardware....

                                Ziggy.

        The white zone is for loading and unloading only.....

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From: willing@pantheon.icsl.ucla.edu (Scott Willingham)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:42:36 GMT
Organization: University of California at Los Angeles, EE Dept.

In article <A1599019144@thelake.mn.org>
  steve@thelake.mn.org (Steve Yelvington) writes:
>[In article <6618@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>,
>     willing@pantheon.icsl.ucla.edu (Scott Willingham) writes ... ]
>
> > Eight bits per color is certainly as good or better than typical video
> > systems.  Production quality video cameras (including HDTV types) typically
> > have a dynamic range of 40 to 50 dB in each color channel.  High-quality
> > CRT and projection displays are little better.  Eight bit channels have
> > a signal-to-noise ratio of 49 to 50 dB.  Only very specialized systems
> > would need more than eight bits per color channel.
>
>``Very specialized'' includes anything having to do with color printing
>and publishing. Video quality just won't hack it in that market. 24-bit
>color is the standard for electronic darkrooms and artwork. We grab frames
>off television when there's nothing better available, but it's obvious
>where the image came from even when printed at 85-line resolution on cheap
>newsprint at high speeds.
>
> ---
> Steve Yelvington              Marine on St. Croix, Minnesota, USA 
> steve@thelake.mn.org          umn-cs!thelake!steve 

I think you're confusing issues here; my comments were meant to apply to
video screen resolution only.  Of course a DTP program should be able to
control color to the resolution to which the output device is capable.
You should also be careful not to confuse NTSC/PAL/SECAM artifacts with
simple color rendition issues.  In those systems, cross-color and
cross-luminance effects as well as motion and aliasing effects cause
obvious abberations in an image as compared to still photography.
Advanced television and High-Definition television systems will considerably
reduce those artifacts but will not eliminate them.  All video systems
are at a considerable disadvantage when compared to still photography;
however, HDTV may come quite close to the capabilies of 35mm motion-picture
film (projected quality, not still quality).

I think we're off on a tangent now...  I only meant to comment on what (IMO)
constitutes a reasonable expectation of quality for video graphics output.

-- Scott Willingham // willing@icsl.ucla.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: brayl@isis.cs.du.edu (Bill Rayl)
Subject: Re: Falcons, NeXts, Macs, and Reality
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 17:31:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.084638.14873@news.Hawaii.Edu> jww@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii
Edu (Jack W. Wine) writes:
>brayl@isis.cs.du.edu (Pattie Rayl) writes:
>
>>The machine was shown to deverlopers and press at the Toronto show last
>>weekend, so it does exist.  I've seen it personally, naturally, since
>>we publish Atari Interfaace magazine! :)
>
>If it was an official announcement, were all the specs spelled out?
>What exactly did Atari show and just how awesome are the Falcons?
>Did Atari also discuss or show the Falcon '040 in the tower and
>pizza box versions?  Any price and estimate of delivery of the 
>Falcons '040s?
>
>Just wondering,
>Jack
>


Jack,

Who said it was an official announcement? Not I.  It was a private showing

to developers and press at the Toronto show, just like what was done
at CeBit.

              Pattie Rayl (Atari Interface)
From: pete@introl.introl.com (Pete Ikusz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Rumours about new releases....
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:41:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: introl.1992Apr13.234134.37032
Organization: Introl Corp.

In article <1992Apr13.142446.27358@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aq115@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert C Glover) writes:
>
>Now I'd heard a rumor about a 68020 version of the Mega STE, but
>I don't really see it happening.  The 020 isn't much of a chip.
>It has no onboard memory management unit, so MultiTOS couldn't

There is nothing wrong with the 020. It just needs the 851 for 
for fast/efficient memory protection.
The 020 core is still used heavily by Motorola. In fact their 68330
embedded system line uses it. It is quite a popular product.

>do hardware memory protection with it, it's overall performance
>isn't much better than a 16 MHz 68000, and not many companies even

There are enough differences to make it a much better processor to
use. Especially over a 000. And yes there are serious performance
increases.

>use it anymore.  Apple just dropped the 68020 in the Mac LC and
>replaced it with a 16 MHz 68030 in the Mac LC II.

I would have to guess that 030's have come down considerably in price.
To the point where it doesn't save Apple much money to use a 020.
(And have to deal with all the different hardware products)

> 
>Also, remember when the ST first came out?  Remember how they got
>the name "ST?"  It means Sixteen/Thirty-two, as in a 16-bit
>processor with a 32-bit address bus.  That's why the TT is
>thirty-two/thirty-two.  A 32-bit processor with a 32-bit address
>bus.  If they don't go to a real name for the next generation of
>machines (i.e. Sparrow and Falcon), then the 040 should, by all
>rights, be called the SS, a 64-bit processor with a 64-bit bus.

Since when is the 040 a 64 bit processor? (Internally or Externally)

The only 64 bit processor currently shipping is from SGI. Their
R4000 box. Maybe DEC also has a R4000 shipping now too. I dunno.

Motorola has not announced it yet, but rumor has it that there will
be no 050, the next in line is the 060. (Even #'s are the big modifications
odd #'s are slight changes) That may be the first 64bit implementation
of the 000 instruction set.

-Pete
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
From: ec333way@steam.uwaterloo.ca (Winter92 BEACON ec333 account)
Subject: ST into PC case   
Originator: ec333way@steam.UWaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 04:59:32 GMT

I am planning to buy an SST soon (with spectre). I am therefore thinking of
moving my ST into a PC case. I have seen some people mention they have done
this. Did you use a desktop case or a tower case? Did you move a normal ST or
a Mega? Should I buy a used mega (ie would it make things easier)?

Thanks,
-- 
Mattias Hembruch
mghembruch@electrical.watstar.uwaterloo.ca
or ec333way@sail.uwaterloo.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: Emulators for the ST
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:12:13 GMT

krakover@spot.Colorado.EDU (KRAKOVER JONATHAN DA) writes:

>>is there any advantage to having the emulator over the real Mac,
>>except for saving desk space? 

It depends on what _kind_ of Mac you are comparing it to.  I'd say that in
comparison to a "real" Mac Plus, you would be better off with the Spectre
GCR (given that you already have a working ST with at least 1Mb RAM and a
decent monochrome monitor... running on a color monitor is awful!).  The 
Spectre is between 20-30% faster than a stock plus when running on an 8MHz
Atari (even faster on 16MHz and better Ataris), you have a slightly larger
screen and perhaps a few other bennies.  The cost differential, however, is
not what it used to be.  Used Mac Plus's for $500 are not unusual which is
about what a new Spectre GCR with genuine Apple 128K ROMs will cost you.

The Spectre is a really neat hack and I still use mine on occasion even 
though I have a real Mac as well.  System 7.0 support is not here yet but
Dave has promised it... sometime RSN.  Just remember, that the Spectre GCR
emulates a Mac Plus and _not_ a Mac II.  Keep that in mind when you make
your comparisons.
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