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From: jmacd@intacc.uucp (Jason MacDermott)
Subject: POLICE BOX GIF in a.b.p.m
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 17:38:12 GMT
Expires: 29 Sep 92
Reply-To: jmacd@intacc.UUCP (Jason MacDermott)
Organization: Matrix Artists' Network


  I have just posted a GIF in alt.binaries.pictures.misc of the famous
Police Box.  This particular picture was taken at the recent Who Party 10
in Toronto.  The Police Box was constructed by the "Not the BBC Props Dept."
chapter of the Doctor Who Information Network.  
 
  The GIF is B&W (256 greys).  If you can't access a.b.p.m, then Email me at
jmacd@intacc.uucp and I'll try to send it to you (though sometimes I have
trouble sending email, for some reason).  
 
Jason MacDermott
jmacd@intacc.uucp
The Chronicles of a Time Lord BBS
(416)823-7186 / 24 hrs / 2400 bps
Home of the "Chronicles of a Time Lord" Fan Magazine!
From: ekho.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Question...
Date: 31 Aug 92 03:30:17 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

sarah@micom.com (Sarah Menolly) writes:

> I'm interested in finding out if there are any DW parodies, other
> than Jean Airey's ST/DW "The Doctor and The Enterprise".

  There are many parodies, as well as serious stories in Fanzines, which 
I am a great supporter of! :)  In fact, Jean Airey has published a few of 
them!  (I am also a fan of Blakes 7;  the fanzines I buy are based on 
that show, but I have seen multitudes of adverts for Doctor Who fanzines, 
as well as mixed media ones (they have stories from a variety of shows 
such as DW, B7, Buckaroo Banzai (!), Simon and Simon, Robin of Sherwood, 
etc, etc, etc!))  A good source for getting fanzines (one of the 
multitudes!) is:

                Bill Hupe & Peg Kennedy
                Footrot Flats
                916 Lamb Rd.
                Mason, MI 48854-9445
                USA

  With a request and an SASE (self-addressed, stamped env.), Bill and Peg 
will send you a giant list (and I mean GIANT :)) of fanzines which they 
have permission from the editors to sell (agent).  Enjoy!

> 
> Not all Americans are totally obtuse of British humour, it's just that
> it requires the exercise of a few extra dendrites...

  And a one, and a two, and a three, and KICK! ;)

  Stay Safe!

          Yours in Time and Space,

             Ekho (Killer Queen, Dynamite with a Laser Beam)
From: mrmuon@next05pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: MISSING EPISODES
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:35:34 GMT

In article <2327.130.uupcb@ssr.com> doug.vermes%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Doug  
Vermes)  writes:
> 
> Let me ask you all something-- over the years, MANY stations have bought
> the rights to show Doctor Who and done so. Out of ALL these stations,
> you mean to tell me that the BBC can't locate all the missing episodes?
> I wouldn't think all the stations would DESTROY the tapes as soon as
> their contract ran out! Come on! SOMEONE has to have some episodes lying
> around in their basement. For example, I heard there was some Asian
> Station who had bought all the episodes from An Unearthly Child through
> A Wheel in Space. You mean to tell me that they junked ALL of them??? Or
> is it just that the BBC could care less about looking?!
>       - Doug

The foreign stations that showed Who were legally obligated to destroy  
them. They had only paid to show them once (or some limited number) and  
after that they were supposed return or destroy the tapes/film.
This process wasn't totally reliable and episodes have been found in  
people's basements.
From: steven.k.manfred@uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Synopsis writer's update
Date: 29 Aug 92 23:36:38 GMT



Well hello there again,
	I now have personal copies of all my synopses except for Fenric.
Due to the eccentricities of my mailing system, I'm going to have to be
very careful next time I try to repost them, but hopefully I'll get
it all sorted out.

	one other thing.  During the summer of 1989 I wrote up and
submitted to the BBC a script for the first episode of what could have
been a three-part story I called "The Cares of Colelmer."  It was sent
back for the obvious reason that the show was put into hiatus.
Looking back, I've cooled on that script a bit (meaning I don't like it
so much anymore), but if anyone would be interested in me posting it
to the net, let me know and I might get time to transcribe it someday.
Be warned, I only wrote the first episode, and I don't even know if
I still have a synopsis of the other two.

					Steve
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: mrmuon@next03epsl.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Long live Sylvester McCoy
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:02:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.133443.14412@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>  
riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff) writes:
> bcr@cernapo (Bill Riemers) writes:
> I didn't think "The Gunfighters" was >that< bad, although the British 
> accents on cowboys was pretty abysmal.  The one story I can't stand
> is "The Greatest Show in the Galaxy."  

I think that "the Gunfighters" was better than "Time and the Rani". When I  
saw "the Gunfighters" I had such low expectations that it exceeded them  
and I was pleased. When I saw "Time and the Rani" I was quite open until  
it got to the giant brain and the kidnapped Einstein, then I couldn't take  
it anymore. I don't mind "the Greatest show in the Galaxy" that much; I  
was a bit cynical about it until someone explained to me that it is an  
allegory of Doctor Who itself. One story I like, although I have no idea  
why, is "Paradise Towers".
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: steven.k.manfred@UWRF.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: ActorWatch
Date: 3 Sep 92 05:07:35 GMT


 


A dream cross-over crossed the phosphor dots of my television screen
tonight.

Ever since "The Trial of a Time Lord" I have been struck by how much
Michael Jayston (the Valeyard) reminded me of Jeremy Brett's portrayal
of Sherlock Holmes, and I always wanted to see the two of them together
in something.

and guess what I saw them together in tonight, a new episode of
Sherlock Holmes on "Mystery!"

Jayston's part was a little on the small side though.  He played
an Earl and brother to the woman who goes missing in the mystery.
He has two good scenes, one with the sister and the other with
Holmes and Watson.

And what amazed me was how well Jayston's forceful personality still
translated through this small part, even though his character was 
slightly "worn-out."  He played the worn-out stuff perfectly well,
yet still let us see the strong man underneath.
I had hoped for a scene where Jayston and Brett could sink their teeth
into each other, but it wasn't to be.

Should "Doctor Who" return, the producers would simply have to be mad
to not ever bring back Jayston's Valeyard.  A proper explanation of
his character is due, and given a script that would allow Jayston to
really spread his wings, the Valeyard could easily, *VERY* easily
become the most interesting and most dangerous villain ever in "Doctor
Who," and possibly in all of television history, IMHO.

						Steve
From: mrmuon@next05pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Talons of Wen Chiang [wanted]
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:46:57 GMT
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <2578@news.cerf.net> margie@nic.cerf.net (Marjorie Templeton)  
writes
>KCET has skipped showing Talons the last 3 times (~ 5 years now)!  I have
>seen a tape of most of it, but not the last 10 minutes or so in a long  
time.
>If you could send me the last bit (beta or VHS OK, I'll provide a tape  
and
>postage) starting with the scene where the time cabinet is speeding away  
on
>the back of a carriage, I would be very grateful.

I think this was the end of part 4 out of 6, so you've missed a good deal  
more than 10 minutes.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: mrmuon@next09pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Tomb's format
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:01:15 GMT

Well I finally saw "Tomb of the Cybermen" this saturday (and loved it). I  
had been of the understanding that my PBS station would show it in episode  
format, but what I saw was distinctly not episode format. The pledge  
breaks (interuptions) were done at episodew breaks, but they didn't have  
repeated opening sequences and I didn't notice any episode overlap or the  
words "part 1" after the title.
Is the video release in true episode form?
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: What happened?
Keywords: Underpinnings, cultural, opinions...
Date: 29 Aug 92 21:58:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: blaze.1992Aug29.215842.5529
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.

In article <V7a9PB4w164w@kryton.UUCP> ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead) writes:
>> Why? The Doctor deals with all, being the penultimate embodiment of
>> a hope for the future -- being non-judgemental of any one/being, respecting
>> all forms and stages of life in its miraculous multiplicity with acceptance a
>> current. We just aren't old enough.

The Doctor is far from non-judgmental, or accepting.

The best example of this is the Pertwee era, when he's quite willing to
criticize humans for prejudice, pollution, or whatever; and glossing over the
notion that he doesn't _really_ have any more right to make judgments about
our culture than we do about someone else's....
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
From: quiz@nemesis.UUCP
Date: 02 Sep 92 22:47 CDT
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Dr. Who Quote Quiz - Quiz 1 & RULES
Message-ID: <-403782@nemesis>
From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Sixth Doctor
Date: 3 Sep 92 11:12:09 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

lazarus@maico.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith) writes:

>If you ever look at a Programme Guide, you'll notice that the Twin Dilemma (his
>first episode) is the ONLY series for that season!  I think that that's when the
>show went into it's first disappearance.  Between that, and his ultimate 
>dismissal from the programme, Colin got a REALLY bad deal...

I don't have the Programme Guide handy, but I beleive that the Twin 
Dilemma was part of the same season as the final Peter Davison stories,
so it wasn't the only story of the season (although it was the only
Colin Baker story.)
From: lazarus@kitty.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: TIME LORD RPG
Date: 26 Aug 1992 23:58:51 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: kitty.ksu.ksu.edu


Is this the same book that has a little disclaimer somewhere within it saying
"this isn't a role playing game"?  I can't remember the name of it, but I think
it was meant to be a writer's guide or something.  I wish I'd been able to pick it
up when I saw it...

--
Bart -Laz- Smith
Kansas State University
A survivor of the *Prodigy "network"
The 'Cats WILL rule in '92!
From: daj@cam-orl.co.uk (David A. James)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: "SHADA" US release {Update}
Date: 27 Aug 92 08:44:14 GMT
Reply-To: daj@cam-orl.co.uk (David A. James)
Organization: Olivetti Reasearch Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <17hnhcINNrvs@kitty.ksu.ksu.edu>, lazarus@kitty.ksu.ksu.edu
(Bart -Laz- Smith) writes:
|> 
|> In article <64660@cup.portal.com>, TheMadDoctor@cup.portal.com (Shane
Derek Killian) writes:
|> >I saw the same tape. There was a scene where the Doctor and K9 were
|> >talking, but K9's voice hadn't been put in. Will this be fixed on the
|> >video release?
|> 
|> Ya know, I have no idea.  That was something else I remember from
watching that
|> tape... no sound effects or incidental music!  I wonder if they could
get John
|> Leeson to come back and read the parts for K9's voice...
|> 

They did better than that! John Leeson spent 1 or 2 seasons away from
the job of doing K9's voice and for Season 17 that role was filled by David
Brierley, who was therefore the obvious choice of dubbing the lines in the
reconstituted Shada. Just to stress here, _all_ existing footage has had SFX
and reassuringly Deadly Dudley style incidental music added. No additional
scenes have been shot, however. If there is sufficient demand and legally it's
not too much of a minefield, I am prepared to spend a day
typing/scanning the script in and posting it for the benefit of those
whose copies of
Shada do not/will not contain a copy of it.

|> --
|> Bart -Laz- Smith
|> Kansas State University
|> A survivor of the *Prodigy "network"
|> The 'Cats WILL rule in '92!
From: barry@jab.tucson.az.us (Barry Mishkind)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: "SHADA" US release {Update}
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 12:45:20 PDT
Organization: Just Another Bbs. Tucson, AZ

lazarus@festus.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith) writes:

> >>   I am afraid to report that the US release of "SHADA" will not have the  
> >script
> >> packaged along with the video.
> >
> >  Is there a good reason for this, or could they perhaps be convinced to  
> >include it after all?
> 
> My understanding was that the video footage that does exist would be shown, a
> for the scenes that were never filmed, Tom Baker was to read the script aloud
> 
> On another note, I was at Delecon 2 (A Starfleet convention) in Kansas City i
> the beginning of July, and a guy from the local PBS station was there to host
> panel discussion on Doctor Who.  During this discussion, he showed us an exis
> video of Shada, which was a rather old (and much copied) tape, with the missi
> scenes being described by storyboard.  Quite jarring to go from actual filmed
> taped footage to dead silence and a storyboard...

I have a copy of this older tape, and it's interesting that Baker did not 
read everything that was on the storyboard. So, it was kind of interesting 
to run both and watch as they ran ahead and behind each other.


==================================================================
Barry Mishkind
barry@jab.tucson.az.us
From: HISC9016351D@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MAMMONE,Robert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Sixth Doctor
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:24:20 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22

As a new reader of this news group, this has probably been discussed before,
but, what do people actually think of Colin Baker's tenure as the Doctor?
You know, the stories, and his characterisation of the Doctor.  Personally
I think he was very harshly done by, and given what I saw here several 
years ago, I was quite happy with the shows that were made.  Maybe I'm
sentimental, but how fair is it that he did only 11 shows?  Eleven!!
Geez, that was a whole season back in the 1960's. I'd be grateful
for any opinions.  Cheers.
From: rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (rock)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Long live Sylvester M
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 19:17:21 EDT
X-Maildoor: WaflineMail 1.00r

EJ>From: mrmuon@next03epsl.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
EJ>I am somewhat familiar with Norse mythology (enough to catch the allusio
EJ>in "TymeWyrm: Revelation") so I know about Ragnarok. However I am not  
EJ>aware of any overseeing "gods of Ragnarok" in the myth.
EJ>What bothered me was that normally we are given some kind of explainatio
EJ>but in this story its just 'the gods of Ragnarok are behind it'. Not bei
EJ>told anything about them keeps us from getting involved in the story and
EJ>leaves us merely observing (so to speak). Maybe I have to read the novel
EJ>I have a series of books on mythology at home, so I'll try to remember t
EJ>look for any mythical gods of Ragnarok.
EJ>                               

Being very familiar with Norse mythology (being an avid D&D player, among
other things, sparked my interest in this very grim and entertaining
mythology) I can assure you that I have never seen anything that 'The Gods
of Ragnarok' might have been supposed to be.  Ragnarok is the Norse
Armageddon, in which the gods (the good guys, like Odin, Thor, etc.) fight
it out in an ultimate battle with the giants (the bad guys, like Thrym or
Utgard-Loki, and also Loki himself.)  What I assume happened is that some
writer made them up, then thought to himself, 'Well, Gods of Armageddon?
Nah.  Gods of Doomsday?  Nah.  Gods of Ragnarok?  Yup.  That's the one.'


"Sometimes what you say is going to get right in the faces of the powerful
 people who really run this world, but you don't care....  You know it's
 your place to challenge authority...."

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From: amigo@milton.u.washington.edu (The Friend)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Dr.Who returns to KTPS28
Keywords: PBS
Date: 23 Aug 92 23:44:39 GMT
Organization: University of Washington


	Dr. Who is returning to the Seattle area with a marathon run
of a few Tom Bakers.. it's on KTPS28, a PBS station that had given up running
Dr. Who since early last summer (but at least they got through to the end
of the Dr.Who productions - McCoy series). It all starts Saturday night at
6:30.


					--> mike
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Greatest Show in the Galaxy allegories
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:33:35 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <01GOA2NNY0PU8WVZJ7@kinni.acc.uwrf.edu> steven.k.manfred@UWRF.EDU writes:
>I recently saw someone asking about the allegories in "Greatest Show
>in the Galaxy."  Here are all the ones I have either noticed myself
>or that I've heard other people notice.

>For instance, we have Captain Cook the great intergalactic explorer,
>who gasses on and on about places he's been to.  This is the Doctor,

And don't forget his companion, Mags, who spends the first two episodes
screaming, getting attacked by robots, and making tea.

My favorite bit was Sylvester's comment on the changed nature of the
series, as he looks at one of the old Psychic Circus posters: "Fun for
all the family?  I don't see how they've got the nerve..."
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: An idea for the return of our favouring show
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:55:56 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1o64PB3w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>I though of something nostalgic.  When the show does return, why not a trial
>run of 3 seasons of 48 25-minutes episodes.
>The show is now popular and when returned, merchandise sales should increase in
>volume.

This idea is so ludicrous that it prompts me to say something that normally
I wouldn't be caught dead saying:

NOT!

If you could find any production company willing to fund three seasons of
anything right off the bat, especially something which hasn't been a
ratings smash by any standards in nearly ten years, my hat would go off
with you.  If you said you found a company willing to fund three DOUBLE-
LENGTH seasons (double-length by American standards -- triple the length
of Doctor Who's seasons for its past four years) simply from a premise of
nostalgia, I'd ask you what you're smoking.

The sad fact is there's no economic reason for such a massive production.
Even merchandise sales could never balloon enough to support that big an
investment, especially since the producers would know that they could get
the same effect from a couple of well-hyped TV movie productions.  They'd
never need to produce that many episodes to get a fan response.

Sheesh, even Star Trek: TNG didn't get a 144-episode commitment from the
word go.  Sure, they had six-year contracts, but so did the cast of Twin
Peaks, and we all know how long that lasted.

And that doesn't even begin to touch on the tremendous logistical problems
of trying to shoot 48 episodes in a 52-week year.  Why do you think the
cast and crew changed so often in the first six seasons?  BURNOUT.  That's
why Barry Letts asked to go to a 25-episode season to begin with.

In short, it's just not practical, from a financial or a personal point of
view.  This isn't meant as a flame, just a bucket of cold reality-water
over the head.

We now return you to your regularly-scheduled random theorizing.

Jon Blum.
From: lazarus@maico.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Sixth Doctor
Date: 3 Sep 1992 00:21:48 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
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Personally, I LIKED Colin Baker.  The first few episodes were difficult to adjust
to, but eventually, he turned out to be (in my opinion) a very likeable Doctor.  I
think that between the hiatus and his "feud" with whoever the producer was at the
time really ruined his effectiveness, and probably made the role FAR from fun to
play.  (I'm not an actor, but I think in order to really make a character in a
movie/programme/stage production work, you have to enjoy the role.)  

If you ever look at a Programme Guide, you'll notice that the Twin Dilemma (his
first episode) is the ONLY series for that season!  I think that that's when the
show went into it's first disappearance.  Between that, and his ultimate 
dismissal from the programme, Colin got a REALLY bad deal...

--
Bart -Laz- Smith
Kansas State University
A survivor of the *Prodigy "network"
The 'Cats WILL rule in '92!
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: edc@dna.bchs.uh.edu
Subject: Re: Long live Sylvester McCoy
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:23:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.085657.1845@bvc.edu> juoncatherin@bvc.edu writes:
> Is Sylvester McCoy the right doctor?
> 
> Being new to this network thing, I really don't know much yet.  But one 
> thing that I do know is that Doctow Who is the all time greatest TV show, 
> period.  From 'An Unearthly Child' to 'Rememberance of the Daleks', nearly 
> every episode has been fabulous.  And the doctors (with the due and 
> justified exception of Colin Baker) have averaged about four years apiece.  
> So why should Sylvester McCoy be replaced if Doctor Who starts up again?  
> That seems to be what everyone is saying.  Give the guy a chance!  I think 
> he is one of the three best we've had yet.  He deserves at least another 
> two seasons.  That's all.

It is not a matter of "should be's", it is the way it is.  The BBC has
announced Sylvester is no longer the actor portraying the Doctor currently,
and should be referred to as "the former Doctor Who", putting him alongside
the other six gentlemen.

Personally, I do wish they'd give him (at least) another season, but as far
as reality is concerned, it ain't gonna happen... :-(

<ESC>
--
..You either kiss the future or the past goodbye...
                          -- Ringo Starr (written by O'Deherty / Velez)