HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer)
Subject: Re: NASA Coverup
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 07:28:39 GMT

>
> (snarfy stuff deleted)
>
>     I  am  , at least,gratified to learn that Velikovsky's idea of
> planetary
>    collisions , long scorned and ridiculed by the scientific community ,
> is
>    now the prevailing theory explaining the origin of the moon.
>
>    More on this later.
>
>    snarfy


Some of Velikobsky's ideas are being begrudgingly considered by scientists.
But if you read _Worlds in Collision_ there is still a horrendous amount of
stuff that is, to be honest, completely loopy.  Almost all of it is
ridiculous, the unfourtunate part is that the few parts that have some merit
are drowned in the really wacky theories.

Like this: Velikovsky believed that the planet Venus, conveniently "ejected"
from Jupiters interior (impossibility #1) flew past the Earth in biblical
times, STOPPING THE EARTH'S ROTATION FOR ONE DAY.

Of course, this is to CONVENIENTLY coincide with the Bible's babblings about
commanding the "sun to stand still".  Never mind that the stored-up angular
momentum would probably have melted the Earth entirely (you don't just get
rid of energy)  Never mind a zillion other impossibilities.  Velikovsky's
main problem is that he took the Bible at its word, then made up the
necessary astronomical events to coincide with these fairy tales.  The
resurgence of catastrophism in scientific theory really has little to do with
Velikovsky or his influence.
I mean, a lot of Velikovsky's stuff would even make some of the loonies on
alt.alien.visitors think twice...


--
Jeremy_Reimer@ |"It turned out, as N-Man discovered later, that the black
mindlink.bc.ca | boat hadn't been after him at all.  It was full of riotous,
---------------| unemployed former James Bond villains enraged at the fall
aka THE JAGUAR!| of Communism in the Soviet Union."
---------------|
Stealth Sig#69 |  --From "N-Man #3: N-Man on Holiday"

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From: paul@hsh.com
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.news-media
Subject: Re: FOIA
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:13:29 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: HSH Associates

In article <1992Nov5.214054.8273@cs.ucla.edu>, pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes:

> FOIA IS AN OXYMORON
> 
> In theory at least, the 25 year old Freedom of Information Act (FOIA)
> bucks the bureaucratic impulse for secrecy.  In reality, however, the
> executive branch and federal courts are stretching the law's
> exemptions to give that impulse freer rein.  As a result, this precious
> piece of legislation is fading into obsolescence.
> 
> Paul McMasters, a USA Today editor who heads a committee on freedom of
> information for the Society of Professional Journalists, sees this bleak
> future if the law isn't fixed:  "more adverse court decisions, more
> erosion of access rights, more ignoring of FOIA."
> 
> The erosion of FOIA over the past ten years coincides with a new and
> particularly hostile attitude towards the public's right to know which
> was ushered in with the Reagan-Bush administration....
[remainder deleted]

Who are the intrepid journalists who write this "Censored" stuff?  We see
that two of the three branches of government are taken to task -- but it's
quite interesting that they never mentin the biggest and most chronic
offender, the Legislative branch. 

Are these nonpartisan writers at all bothered by the fact that Congress is
not subject to FOIA?  If so, you'd never know it.  Does their thirst for
truth and justice extend to the fact Congress has exempted itself from three
dozen other laws that the rest of the world must obey?  We wait for an 
answer with bated breath... 

------

 Paul Havemann, VP          HSH Associates            (201) 838-3330 
 Internet: paul@hsh.com     Compuserve: 70410,3507    AOL: HSH Assoc
 "Any opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the company."
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From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Peace Corps / CIA
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:58:44 GMT

In article <1deh1fINN6he@pith.uoregon.edu> delancey@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Scott C DeLancey) writes:
>In article <3434@carroll1.cc.edu> jpwieske@carroll1.cc.edu (JP Wieske) writes:
>>Does anybody have any information on a possible Peace Corps and CIA connection?
>>My friends claim the Peace Corps is merely a front for the CIA.
>>Please e-mail me or post to this newsgroup.

	Your friends are morons.  The CIA used to have a policy
	of not accepting anyone for employment who had been involved
	with the Peace Corps.  The reason for this policy, which probably
	came from Kennedy, was to prevent accusations just like the one
	your "friends" are making and to allow the Peace Corps to get on
	with its job without having to worry about its help being rejected
	because it was bringing in the CIA.  Why don't you try a couple of
	years in the PC yourself and then try and join the CIA?  I can
	wait for your report.

	Alec Chambers.


>>
>Well, I was in the Peace Corps, in Thailand 1973-75, probably a time and
>place that U.S. intelligence might have had some interest in.
>Absolutely no sign of any intelligence involvment in the organization
>that I could see; certainly no one ever asked me for any info or
>anything.  This is not to say that the CIA might not occasionally use PC
>as a cover -- that's a much harder proposition to disprove -- but
>certainly when I was there the organization as such wasn't doing
>intelligence.
>
>Scott DeLancey
>delancey@darkwing.uoregon.edu


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From: rpwhite@ac13.cs.nps.navy.mil (rpwhite)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: I Have Been Forbidden to Speak the Truth From THIS Account
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:54:27 GMT
Followup-To: talk.bizarre,alt.sex.carasso,misc.test,alt.religion.kibology
Organization: Monterey Bay Yacht Club, Monterey CA

jon@Turing.ORG (Jon Gefaell (KD4CQY)) writes:

|Mr. DiNardo has been offered an account on The Turing Project. While
|I certainly understand ATT's excercising their corporate perogative to
|limit and otherwise control access to their machines, Turing's stated
|objective is to give a point of access for individuals to express them-
|selves without restriction.

Well, they say the proof of the pudding is in the eating so let's see you
offer Roger Carasso (carasso@inference.com) an account.
-- 
            DON'T  LET  _K_I_B_O  IMMANENTIZE  THE INTERNET !!@@!
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From: donh%shakala.uucp@clubzen.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,osu.opinion,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Bilderberger Victory
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 00:42:28 PST
Organization: Shakala - (Clan Zen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA 1-408-734-2289

welch@sacral.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arun Welch) writes:

> 
> It's all an Illuminati plot anyway...
> 
> ...arun (fnord)
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Arun Welch
> Lisp Systems Programmer, Lab for AI Research, Ohio State University
> welch@cis.ohio-state.edu
> 

But we can't talk about it...


------------------------------------------------------------------
Don Hackler  
donh@shakala.rahul.net or shakala!donh@clubzen.fidonet.org 
Shakala - (Clan Zen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA 1-408-734-2289
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: cole@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Sandra Stewart-Cole)
Subject: Re: Is Internationalism bad PER SE?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:57:30 GMT

Young is relative... and tell Caitlin that a little girl only 4 months older 
than her shares her sad condition of naievete... 

But as I said, the changes in personal freedoms have been a 2-way street. I'm 
not too sure that much in the RICO statute is all that bad, although I would 
certainly agree that the way the forfeiture laws have been implemented and 
enforced are scandalous and oppressive. But encroachment in those areas IMHO is
more than offset by a recent historical stat: over 40% of the warm bodies in 
this nation voted 3 days ago. 75 years ago, that would have been legally 
impossible because under 40% were even eligible to do so. If you just consider
the relative effects of the massive expansion in basic rights to all relative 
to the little encroachments that don't even threaten seriously more than a 
fraction of the population, it seems to me ludicrous to say that we are looking
at a long-term diminution of rights. 

One thing really bugs me... you seem to cite RICO and forfeiture as 'big 
things' relaticve to the gift of 'little things' like extending the franchise,
strengthening of free expression rights, and removal (in most places) of sexual
conduct laws. 

(BTW: as a former St. Louis resident and BBS user, it is heartening to see a 
SWB employee speaking in favor of persoanl liberties.)
 
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.news-media
From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo)
Subject: Re: I Have Been Forbidden to Speak the Truth From THIS Account
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:01:22 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Keywords: I have been forbidden to speak the truth from this account


Some respondents to this thread are perpetuating the false
accusation that I have been posting the same articles, each with
different headers. I assume that by "different headers" they mean
different subject lines. The fact is that when I post the same 
article to multiple newsgroups I always use the same subject line
for that article in each of the newsgroups.

     John DiNardo

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,misc.legal
From: busta@vicki.enet.dec.com
Subject: Re: USA President's power to pardon
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:06:56 GMT


In article <1992Nov9.224004.18029@cs.ucla.edu>, pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes...
>In article <1992Nov9.022427.13618@cs.ucla.edu> pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes:
>>According to Article II, Section 2, paragraph 1 of the Constitution of
>>the United States of America, "the president ... shall have power to
>>grant ... pardons".
> 
>>What's the justification for this power? Should the USA Constitution be
>>amended to rescind this power?
> 
>Also, what's the justification for allowing the USA President to pardon
>someone before they have been convicted of (sometimes even indicted
>for?) an offence, as, I've heard, was the case with Pres. G.R. Ford
>and Pres. R.M. Nixon?


  My own feelings on this are that if Bush doesn't pardon Weinberger and 
he is tried and convicted, as well as sentenced, Weinberger may very well
think about opening up and spilling his guts about the whole deal involving
Bush and Reagan, leaving both of those fine gentleman (and I use that term 
loosely) open to prosecution and conviction themselves. (Especially with
a Democrat as President, who won't even consider pardoning them ala Ford/
Nixon)


 As it stands now, the Republicans, especially Dole and Sununu, are calling
for an investigation of Lawrence Walsh in an attempt to get the media
focus off of Weinberger and Bush......

 Personally, I hope Bush does get tried and convicted (even though I was
foolish enough to have voted for him in `88), although I know it's only
a pipe dream......

 Shades of Tricky Dick......

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

Paul R. Busta	Busta@vicki.enet.dec.com                       Salem,N.H.  
		--or-- ...!decwrl!vicki.enet.dec.com!busta    603-894-3962
		--or-- busta%vicki.enet@decwrl.dec.com

         "One only sees what one observes, and one observes only 
              those things which are already in the mind."
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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: The Casolaro Murder --> The Feds' Theft of Inslaw Software
Date: 13 Nov 1992 06:43:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I would like to point out to whom it may concern that the revised
style of subject line, requested by some, makes in difficult and 
burdensome for those who are collecting all installments of a series
to determine which ones they might have missed. (Fortunately I already
have a complete set of the present series). My vote for the "Part <n>"
format!

-Steve
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,misc.legal
From: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce)
Subject: Re: USA President's power to pardon
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 22:40:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.022427.13618@cs.ucla.edu> pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes:
>According to Article II, Section 2, paragraph 1 of the Constitution of
>the United States of America, "the president ... shall have power to
>grant ... pardons".

>What's the justification for this power? Should the USA Constitution be
>amended to rescind this power?

Also, what's the justification for allowing the USA President to pardon
someone before they have been convicted of (sometimes even indicted
for?) an offence, as, I've heard, was the case with Pres. G.R. Ford
and Pres. R.M. Nixon?

-- Brad Pierce --

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: Re: News coverage of elections
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:55:14 GMT

In article <4NOV199217120052@mivax.mc.duke.edu> seth@mivax.mc.duke.edu (HM/HS) writes:

>
>In the end, all the Lib. candidates were getting about 2%

you mean 0.2%, or about 270,000 votes nationwide.

or so someone posted on one of the alt.politics newsfroups.....
From: seth@mivax.mc.duke.edu (Little Brother)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: World Gov't
Keywords: Voluntary Associations
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:29:00 GMT
Organization: Duke University Medical Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Anyone who thinks world gov't is a good idea has every right to join one.

Please do not force the rest of us to . . .
ACK! THWWWP! THEY GOT MMMEE BY THE...SEND FOR...HELP...I CAN'T...

[total darkness]  
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From: phase@apres.UUCP (Greg Clawson)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Covert Operations
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 92 21:37:14 CST
Organization: Applied Research, Cary, Illinois

Why vote for Billy-Billy-Billy-Boy?
 
When we haven't tried a candidate outside of our 2 party system?  Do
you want change?  Then don't vote Billy-Boy or Georgie porgie.
 
Vote Ross and form a posse against business as usual in Wash. D.C.!
 
If the Demoncrats or the Republickcans haven't made a difference in the
past, what will be our future?  Empty promises?  Paid off officials?
Scandal?  S & L's?  Congressional pay increases?  Tax hike's!!
 
Vote for real change, vote for Ross Perot.  He reached into his own
pocket for this election; maybe it's time we invest into somebody that
{w3puts his money where his mouth is.
 
4 years from now, is Billy-Boy going to make real change when in 12
years the only change he made was to make his state one of the lowest
rankers in the nation!  And his own LittleRock newspaper won't even
endorse him!  Exposing the disaray he's left in the state!
 
Bush might be ok; but will he make the drastic change necessary for our
country when he's to built-into politics?
 
For once; vote for a real change, please!
 
Greg  -  (some line noise got in)


--
phase@apres.UUCP (Greg Clawson)
Applied Research (cryptography & security BBS)  1 708 639 8853
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From: jason@ab20.larc.nasa.gov (Jason Austin)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism
Subject: Re: Censoring John Dinardo Violates Constitutional Law
Date: 6 Nov 92 10:00:59
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA
Distribution: alt
	<1992Nov4.122101.6349@atlastele.com>
	<1992Nov6.005159.8542@oracle.us.oracle.com>
Reply-To: Jason C. Austin <j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ab20.larc.nasa.gov
In-reply-to: rchilder@us.oracle.com's message of Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:51:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.005159.8542@oracle.us.oracle.com> rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers) writes:
-> brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets) writes:
-> 
-> >Hmmm, If I might ask, how does this person who was removed have a right
-> >to be on the net? I think that net access is privileged and therefore
-> >does not fall under the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.
-> 
-> He has the right to
-> 
-> 	(a)	due process,
-> 	(b)	the identity of his accusers,
-> 	(c)	the substance of their complaints,
-> 	(d)	the delineation of how he is misusing resources, IE, how
-> 		his patterns of use differ from other employees' patterns,
-> 		and the quantifiable consequences of this pattern of use,
-> 		IE, was he meeting his production goals or clogging up
-> 		network bandwidth ?
-> 
-> If it can't be quantified, then it's subjective and subject to being
-> challenged.
-> 
-> In court, if necessary.

	I don't believe this.  It's a sad example of how government is
taught in US public schools.  No wonder this country is sue crazy;
everyone thinks they have some right the anything they want, even to
other people's property.
--
Jason C. Austin
j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.clinton
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: Bilderberger Victory
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:09:16 GMT


Who are the Bilderberger??  I've never heard that name in connection with
any campaign

Simon
From: seth@mivax.mc.duke.edu (SETH)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: News coverage of elections
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:58:00 GMT
Organization: Duke University Medical Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov5.165514.19290@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes...
>In article <4NOV199217120052@mivax.mc.duke.edu> seth@mivax.mc.duke.edu (HM/HS) writes:

>>In the end, all the Lib. candidates were getting about 2%

>you mean 0.2%, or about 270,000 votes nationwide.

>or so someone posted on one of the alt.politics newsfroups.....

No, I meant 2% *in North Carolina*.  The *local* news station was reporting the
results of statewide contests.  The Libs. consistently got either 0% or 2-3%.
A friend confirmed my hunch; the election officials delayed counting 
libertarian votes because they weren't supposed to win.  It made it look like
no one *at all* voted for the Libs., which wasn't true.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Subject: Re: Bilderberger Victory
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 05:17:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.185334.21172@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ashall@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Andrew S Hall) writes:
>Summary: Stop celebrating!
>
>Followup-To:
>Distribution: world
>Organization: The Ohio State University
>Keywords:
>
>This is for all of you who are celebrating Clinton's win.
>
>(All facts from Texe Marr's book Dark Majesty)
>
>Did you know that at last year's (June)  Bilderberger meeting in Baden Baden 
>Bill
>Clinto was present? He was approved by this group, the same group that has
>controlled Bush from his Skull and Bones days at Yale.
>
>Did you also know that the Bilderbergers and their agents have given campaign
>money to both campaigns?  At the same meeting in Germany was another
>Bilderberger golden boy, J. Danforth Quayle.
>
>Did you also know that Clinton is or was a CFR member?
>
>Did you really think this election was about change?

None of this surprises me as many sharp people have mentioned this before.

The GOOD NEWS is..Clinton probably doesn't piss Henry Kissinger off..

And for you rabid conspiracy freaks out there lurking I have something
which I'm editing for the Net which will thrill the cockles of your heart.

I have a BOOK that I'm days away from posting on this newsgroup which
I have no doubt will wag tongues for months to come. I won't mention
the name cuz I don't want the Club of Rome bastards to sabatage it
before it gets out.

All I'm gonna say on this is when you see it, you'd better be damned
quick to grab it and or/archive it at your site as I expect that
it will be immediately squashed after the first posting by the ___

If you liked "Gemstone", you're gonna love this book :-)

Don


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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.destroy.the.earth,alt.slack
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Lupo the Butcher)
Subject: Re: Conspiracy to Destroy the Earth?
Keywords: oxygen, military, contract, Satan, signed in blood, soul, discount
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 23:46:22 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Nov6.204614.4959@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> gmccammo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Gary "Tog" McCammon) writes:
>In article <BxB80p.2Eq@willamette.edu> pdudey@willamette.edu (Peter Dudey) writes:
>>
>>3.  Remember what happened to H. P. Lovecraft.  Hey, what did happen to him,
>>anyway?  I sure don't remember.  THEY'RE STEALING MY MIND!  AIYEEEEEE!
>
>...what you don't realize is that Lovecraft was right. There ARE gods, only
>not the loving kind the wimp New-Agers push... these beings are the sort
>who'll drop ANVILS on your f*cking HEAD for NO REASON AT ALL.  Oh, sure,
>sounds paranoid... but I'm a bit sore from the neck up these days and
>I sure as hell ain't no agnostic anymore.

"The gods help those who help themselves" or some such nonsense...

-Lupo (the Butcher)


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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism
Subject: Re: Censoring John Dinardo Violates Constitutional Law
Date: 13 Nov 1992 06:51:33 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) says:

[material deleted]

>The right to due process does not apply to the termination of the
>rights to use someone else's property, except in the case of
>landlord-tenants in some localities.

I say due process isn't just the law - it's a good idea. AT&T please 
note!

-Steve
From: atmnpt@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: re: nasa coverup
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:32:44 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

Yes, but remember that lunar gravity is 1/6 of Earth, so
everything weighs less.
People therefore feel lighter and better.

So they can jump.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism