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From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Subject: Re: The All "Home-State" Team?
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 20:45:16 GMT

In article <6bgZ03gl591W00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
>The rules of the game are simple. You simply try to put together a team of 
>stars, all of whom hail from the same state... being born there is not a 
>requirement but they have to have played at least their high-school ball there. 
>	North Carolina  
>	Starter 		Backup
>Center  Daugherty?		S. Williams
>PF	Bailey			Reid
>SF	Worthy			
>SG	Jordan			
>PG	?????			Bogues? 

JR Reid played his high school ball in Virginia.  Thurl Bailey and Muggsy
are both from the DC metro area, and Scott Williams is from the LA area.  
All these guys came to North Carolina for college, but by my understanding
of your rules they don't count.

Some other guys who *did* play high school ball in North Carolina:
    Walter Davis
    Sleepy Floyd
    Kenny Gattison
    Danny Manning
    Nate McMillan
    Rodney Rogers (currently at Wake Forest)
    Delaney Rudd
    Charles Shackleford
    Mitchell Wiggins
    Dominique Wilkins
    Buck Williams
    Kenny Williams
    Danny Young

So here's my team from NC:

       Starters                       Backups
C   Brad Daugherty      Charles Shackleford  Kenny Gattison
PF  Buck Williams       Danny Manning        Rodney Rogers
SF  James Worthy        Dominique Wilkins
SG  Michael Jordan      Walter Davis
PG  Nate McMillan       Danny Young
From: rsmall@vax.clarku.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: LARRY
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:14:50 GMT
Organization: Clark University


   LARRY BIRD has just retired, He will be an assistant coach with the Boston
Celtics.

THE BASKETBALL WORLD IS SADDENED.

                                     Rich...
From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: It's BAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!!
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:05:26 GMT
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.

In article <1992Aug13.232208.2842@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> KAMCHAR@ibm.cl.msu.edu writes:
>That's right--your favorite fan of the curse of the NBA (aka the Pistons) is
>back on the net--or will be in the next couple of weeks!  Mind you, it may not
>be that good a season for the team, but I will be rooting for them and starting
>the occasional (I hope) well-tempered (I hope) flamewar (I hope) when the
>anti-Piston rhetoric get a little TOO thick for my eyes.  Before I get back to
>the full-time reading of this newsgroup, I have a few questions for the readers
>to ponder:
>
>1)  Will the Knicks be given the monicer "Satan's Team II" for taking Daly 
>from the Pistons?  Or did Daly just clean the bad reputation from his suits 
>by moving to New York?
>
>2)  Can Riley turn the New Jersey Nets into a contender?
>
>3)  WHEN WILL LOR AND MEEKS QUIT THEIR GRUDGE MATCH AGAINST EACH OTHER?  WHILE
>I DISLIKE KILL FILES, THEIR CONSTANT BICKERING OVER ABSOLUTELY NOTHING MAKES ME
>WISH I HAD ON TO USE ON *THEM* !!!!!

Well, guess you must be a *real* respectable RSBB.pro poster.

1) Daly is going to coach the Nets

2) Riley *coaches* the Knicks

3) If this posting reflects things to come (not to mention that you are
   a lowly Pistons fan -- Rodman sucks, Laim-beer sucks, Isiah is a crybaby
   superstar wannabe, CHICAGO RULES), maybe we need a kill file for you.




Oh I'm sorry, did I forget to say... ;^)

-- 
Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
Bell Northern Research, Inc.
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From: kim@kowari.uwa.oz.au (Kim Shearer)
Subject: Re: Dream Team
Reply-To: kim@kowari.uwa.oz.au
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 05:23:16 GMT

In article 1936@tc.fluke.COM, tron@tc.fluke.COM (Peter Barbee) writes:
>>>Charles "Mr Elbow" Barkley made himself look like a real creep
>>>and won no fans anywhere.
>
>I'm surprised people are still saying this.  Did anyone notice that
>Charles continued to receive adulation from the fans throughout the
>entire Olympics?  It sured looked to me like people (and from many
>more places than just the US) loved.  I imagine that one of the
>things they loved was his accessability.  Unlike Jordan, and even
>more than Magic, Barkley was accessible to the fans.  I think he
>gained more international fans than he lost.
>
>Peter B

  Ummmm, your kidding.  Some places still place a value on sportsmanship,
  Its not really OK to be a bastard just cause you winning.  Some people
  believe the important thing about sport is playing it, not trying to 
  "get the other guy" while the ref aint watching.  It is especially
  pointless to put in the elbow when you are winning easily.  But then
  look what we are doing to the planet, I guess its no suprise.
From: dorin@ksr.com (Bob Dorin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: BIRD supplement in Boston Globe
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:51:46 GMT
Organization: Kendall Square Research Corp.

Copies of "The End of an Era", a special Globe section in yesterday's
edition is available by sending a check for $1 per copy, payable to
The Boston Globe, to:
Back Copies Dept.
The Boston Globe
P.O. Box 2378
Boston, MA  02107-2378



--
Name:    Bob Dorin
Company: Kendall Square Research 
Email:   dorin@ksr.com, ksr!dorin
From: stuart@apollo.hp.com (Stuart Troutman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Bird is retiring
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:28:54 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA
Originator: stuart@mingus


------------------------FLASH----------------------------------
Tuesday 8/18 10:20AM

Boston media is now reporting that Larry Bird will announce his 
retirement at a noon Celtics press conference today.
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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: The All "Home-State" Team?
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:00:16 GMT

In article <eci=03Kx599J00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
>>>
>>Ok, here goes (I'm from Florida too, but I'll take a shot at NC also)...
>>
>>FLORIDA		starter			backup
>>
>>Center		Dave Cowens		Artis Gilmore (Jacksonville)
>		^^^^^^^^^^^^^		^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>I was trying to use guys who we could still send out to play today. 

Unless this is going to be played on "Love Tron", I don't believe that
you can send Darryl Dawkins out to play today.  Because he was on your
team, I took it to indicate that it was an all-time team.
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From: c9111381@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (ROBERT BUCK)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Australias would heve beaten dream team
Date: 18 Aug 92 08:33:29 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA

There has been quite a bit of talk about teh american olympic baskeball
team and how easily they won but you have to consider the fact that
the U.S.S.R. and the Yugoslavian team weren't together as a complete
force.

I was disappointed with the teams performance after waiting three years
to see them play. I think that the problem is that there is quite a bit
of glamour and hipe that goes along with the N.B.A. so everyonbe thinks that
it is the best league on earth but I strongly believe that the australian
N.B.L. is a better hardcore league. see the aust league is more of a 
blue collar than finess league and so doesn't get quite as much publicity

I think the aust would have beaten the U.S. all over the court had they 
played.

They even look better on paper

Luc Longely is aparently one of the biggest stars in the N.B.A

Andrew Gaze scores 44ppg as opposed to MJ 29ppg

The Australians also have "LEEPING" LEROY Loggins, The general Phil Smyth
and the thunderbolt Damian Keogh.

They have more power, the elephant Andrew Vlahov would have too much strength
for Barkley or Malone.

You will probably read tyhis and think that it is B.S but I what both leagues
you probably haven't seen the ausralians play.  
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From: ravi@alw.nih.gov (Ravi Boddapati)
Subject: Re: Australias would heve beaten dream team
Organization: National Inst. of Health, DCRT, CSL
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:36:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.183329.1@wombat.newcastle.edu.au>, c9111381@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (ROBERT BUCK) writes:
|> There has been quite a bit of talk about teh american olympic baskeball
|> team and how easily they won but you have to consider the fact that
|> the U.S.S.R. and the Yugoslavian team weren't together as a complete
|> force.
|> 
|> I was disappointed with the teams performance after waiting three years
|> to see them play. I think that the problem is that there is quite a bit
|> of glamour and hipe that goes along with the N.B.A. so everyonbe thinks that
|> it is the best league on earth but I strongly believe that the australian
|> N.B.L. is a better hardcore league. see the aust league is more of a 
|> blue collar than finess league and so doesn't get quite as much publicity
|> 
|> I think the aust would have beaten the U.S. all over the court had they 
|> played.
|> 
|> They even look better on paper
|> 
|> Luc Longely is aparently one of the biggest stars in the N.B.A
|> 
|> Andrew Gaze scores 44ppg as opposed to MJ 29ppg
|> 
|> The Australians also have "LEEPING" LEROY Loggins, The general Phil Smyth
|> and the thunderbolt Damian Keogh.
|> 
|> They have more power, the elephant Andrew Vlahov would have too much strength
|> for Barkley or Malone.
|> 
|> You will probably read tyhis and think that it is B.S but I what both leagues
						     ^^^
|> you probably haven't seen the ausralians play.  

Atleast, you were right about something!!  There is no way the DT would lose
to anyone.  Even if you combine the best from the rest of the world, not a 
chance.

I am not saying this out of "olympic" spirit; it is that obvious to anyone
who knows basketball and has seen these players play in the NBA.

BTW, Luc Longley sucks!!

-- Ravi

	Ravi Boddapati 			phone: (301) 496 0331 
	Building 12A, Room B57		uucp: uunet!nih-csl!ravi
	National Institutes of Health	Internet: ravi@alw.nih.gov
	Bethesda, MD 20892
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From: harryk@omews58.intel.com (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: HE'S BACK (Re: Debunking ... [and other bullshit]) 
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:23:30 GMT

In article <20435@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>
>OH well isn't that just fucking dandy? Screw you Ronnie... you dump this 
>bullshit and then expect it to be a walk in the park?
>It sounds like bullshit to me which should fly pretty good in this insipid 
>cesspool of humanity...
>Your seeming inability to forsee the obvious outcome of such a discussion only
>leads to the observation that your head is stuck much too far up your ass.
>screw you and the horse you rode in on...
>Then do a study on it dipshit!!!! Do you really expect me to believe that
>you believed this stupid ass group was going to supply you with the key
>insight that would answer this question????
>Fuck you - insult this....
> And so is your fucking head.... open and empty.... 

WOW!  Haven't seen form like that for some time now.  It's good to have
you back.  BTW, this "lets compare B/W ..." on *any* front can serve no
useful purpose.  Period.  If you compare/evaluate/make-biases on one front,
there will absolutely be claims made on other fronts.  It's a no-win
situation, so let's drop it and get on with basketball.

And Gary, well said.	Devils over the Cats in Basketball this year - you
			heard it here first.
From: rda446x@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (S.A. Mccoy)
Subject: Re: Australias would heve beaten dream team
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 05:53:14 GMT

>>Their sixth place was a true indication of where Australian basketball standard
>>lies.
>  Well I agree the initial poster had no idea, but I think Australia should have 
>  finished higher than sixth.  I think they got a bit scared after their first 
>  loss, was it to the Croatians or Lithuanians ?  They seemed to me to lose
>  their way a little, like they lost a bit of confidence.  Still the teams they
>  lost to were no mugs, lets face it.
>
The trouble with the Australian team is that it doesn't have a high quality 
point guard, or a team leader.  Most players on the team are content to just
let Gaze shoot all the time.  The trouble is when Gaze is stopped that no one
else is prepared to take it to the Opposition, until Australia gets a good 
point or someone else prepared to lead by example on the team then we are 
doomed to be a mediocre(sic) team.
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From: claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird)
Subject: Yet another my-state-is-better-... update
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:53:47 GMT


In article <1992Aug13.171115.2648@NeoSoft.com>, I wrote:

> Rick Mount, Larry Bird, George McGinnis, Billy Keller,
> and Kent Benson (was Benson a Hoosier?) would beat 'em
> all--'cause John Wooden would coach them.

Today, LewisM@jmb2.jmb.com sent me this reply, which he
asked me to pass on to the congregation:
Amen!  John Wooden might also play for this team, too, since he was NCAA player
of the year for Purdue in 1932.  However, you forgot to mention perhaps the
greatest player of all time: Oscar Robertson (Indianapolis Crispus Attucks).
His high school team went undefeated in both his junior and senior years.  At
Cincinnati, his team won consecutive NCAA championships against Ohio State, who
only had Havlicek, Lucas, Siegfried, et. al.  In the NBA, in spite of playing
for mediocre teams in Cincinnati, he *averaged* a triple double for multiple
seasons.  Lose Rick Mount and put the Big O on your team.

BTW, Kent Benson went to New Castle High in Indiana, where they won the 1973
State Championship and Benson was Mr. Basketball.  George McGinnis' teammate
at Indianapolis Washington, Steve Downing, would also be a good choice (Keller
went there too, but about 3 years earlier).
			.
			.
			.
Mike Lewis (LewisM@jmb2.jmb.com)

CL, again:  Mr. Lewis is absolutely right:  with
Messrs. Robertson and Bird, the All-IN team can
compete with anyone.  I'd still like to keep Mount,
rather than Keller, if only for aesthetics; the
middle Mount (his father and son were also all-
stars, at various levels of competition) had a
pretty, pretty jumpshot, that was made for three-
point play (although apparently not under the
coaching of Bobby Leonard, to their mutual
frustration).  Also, I agree with those other
posters who have written that Sean Kemp deserves
a place.
-- 

Cameron Laird
claird@Neosoft.com (claird%Neosoft.com@uunet.uu.net)	+1 713 267 7966
claird@litwin.com (claird%litwin.com@uunet.uu.net)  	+1 713 996 8546
From: rsmall@vax.clarku.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: RE: LARRY
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:11:53 GMT
Organization: Clark University


    I made an error, He will be a special assistant to Dave Gavitt,  The radioLAST
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Bulls sign top pick
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:34:02 GMT

yzhou@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Joe Y. Zhou) writes:

>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>       Chicago Tribune reported that the Bulls signed Byron Houston to a
>multi-year contract Wednesday. The club did not release terms of the deal,
>but the Chicago Tribune said that Houston signed a four-year contract
>estimated at $2.6 million plus incentives.

>        He is expected to be tried at both forward positions with the Bulls,
>subbing for Scottie Pippen at the No. 3 spot and for Horace Grant at
>power forward.

>--------------------------------------------------------------------------

>    I just don't see how he can play power forward with 6-4 in the NBA.

>    Any comments?

	How do you play power forward in the NBA?  Just ask Charles
	Barkley!

	(at 6-4 I mean)

	Jazzy J
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From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Who made the NBA prosper? (Re: All North Carolina team)
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:48:25 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Distribution: na

In article <1992Aug21.144110.12531@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>  
lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
> 
> David Stern did a great job making the NBA, so did Magic/Bird. Had
> the NBA televised its finals at 11:30 PM tape delayed, like the
> 1980 finals, the NBA won't be that much better than the NHL. Had 
> the NBA had an incompetent commissioner like John Ziegler,
> MJ would have been like Mario Lemieux.
> 

And if the NBA twice a game tolerated long stoppages in play so that
all of the players could box for a while instead of playing
basketball, the NBA would be on the same level as roller
derby and hockey are now.  I think that's a big overlooked
reason for hockey's failure.  I used to like hockey.  I got
sick of it though when it became obvious that the NHL would
do nothing to stop fights and other such nonsense.


--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  
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From: c9111381@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (ROBERT BUCK)
Subject: excuses for insane commnents
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 10:46:48 GMT

It seems that my message to the world caused quite a disturbance
which it was mean't to. The short story of the matter was that it
was a joke! I put the comment in at the end just to spice it up
a little.

But i think most people have to admitt that the domination wasn't
quite as much as expected which was a disappointment.
Since the dream team decided not to blow out teams.

I think that a game against australia would have been the most 
interesting of all since(due to magic/aids incident) the US would
have tried to blow out the aussies......
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Roberts can't be traded!
Date: 18 Aug 92 11:37:25 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


   In Stanley Roberts offer sheet was a no-trade clause, so all this
speculation is for nothing, unless Stanley wants to leave.  This year was the
nastiest as far as offer sheets that we have seen.  The Knicks front loaded
their offer with Harvey Grant, to mess with the Bullets salary cap and the
Mavericks pull the no-trade stunt on Orlando.
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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Meeks == Lor
Keywords: I'ts over
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 15:01:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.145810.23996@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
|> Ed,
|> 
|>   It's time we finally settle this dispute.  I'm sure that normal people on
|> the net are getting sick and tired of reading endless posts from the two
|> of us about a meaningless situation.  I'll be happy to admit that every team
|> gets thier share of home calls, and it seems that the Celtics get a few
|> more because they are the winningest team in NBA history, and because of the
|> mystic of the Gardens.  You are right Ed.
|> 
|>   So, to everybody on the net, I'd like to offer a formal net.apology for 
|> carrying on this argument way too long.  Sorry about the wasted bandwidth.
|> 
|> --
|> David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the
|> VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge,
|> uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
|> davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"
|> 

Dave,

  Yeah, I think we've pretty much beat this argument to death.  I'm getting
a little tired myself of just arguing that you did say this or I said that
and nonesense along those lings.  Anyway, you were right in trying to end
this pointless obsession between the two of us.  It got way out of hand.  I
really could care less which team gets more home calls, and if Boston just
happens to get a few more than anyone else, then so be it.  I'm sure that
eventually things will even out again and the refs will be giving the home
calls to somebody else.  Who really cares anyway??

  So, following Dave's example, I'd also like to post a net.apology and
promise that one little comment will never be blown out of proportion by
myself again (at least i n the near future).

--
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
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From: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Clips Retain Charles Smith
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:25:38 GMT
Reply-To: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

Subject says it all.  The LA Clippers retained the services of Charles
Smith and signed him to a multiyear contract.  

--Rob Clough
From: andy@misha.central.sun.com (Andy Knipp Metro SE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Australias would heve beaten dream tea
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:45:11 GMT
Reply-To: andy@misha.central.sun.com
Distribution: world
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: misha.central.sun.com

In article 3122@cs.ucla.edu, lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.154337.9900@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug18.183329.1@wombat.newcastle.edu.au> c9111381@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (ROBERT BUCK) writes:
>>>
>>>I think the aust would have beaten the U.S. all over the court had they 
>>>played.
>>
>>Here's a dollar, go buy a clue..
>
>Funny, Dave -- none of us knew you had a dollar to spare...

& Bush says there is no inflation.  Why,  just last year,  T-Bone was 
giving freshman a quarter to go buy a clue..... :-)






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Sun Microsystems              | The secret of success is sincerity,
Schaumburg, IL                | once you can fake that,  you have it made.
andy@sunbird.central.sun.com  |
From: strauss@uncavx.unca.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: RE: Racism in athletics
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:19:29 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
Nntp-Posting-User: strauss

There sure is a lot of racial nonsense out there!  If 90+% of the
basketball players and sprinters are black, then why are the other
good teams (Croatia, etc.) 100% white?  Why is the 110 m hurdles
record STILL held by a white?

I think that cultural factors are much more important. As mentioned, 
there were Jewish, Irish etc. boxers in the 1930s. Also runners, and basket
ball players. Seems each immigrant group works up via athletics. The
blacks have just been denied longer. Eventually, there will be more
black doctors and engineers than basketball players. Happens in 
other countries.

Bob Strauss