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From: vivek@ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Dharma Sansad Demands Lifting of Bans (Niranjan Dev Teerth's 
						    Support For Sati)
Date: 24 Dec 92 19:54:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu

In article <anand.725134218@cds705> anand@Cadence.COM (Anand Bemra) writes:
>sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder) writes:
>
>
>>It was bad enough that Niranjan Dev Theerth (the SA of Puri) got himself 
>>into hot water with his support for sati; 
>
>Can anybody else confirm the veracity of this allegation?
>
>anand 'Organised religion - A blight on society'

Well this piece of information is indeed true. All of this happened in 
the aftermath of the Roop Kanwar Sati incident in Rajasthan. The whole
nation was agog with outrage over this incident,  and the Swamiji, who
was and still is regarded as one of the Pontiffs of the Hindu religion
released a statement in the Press stating his support for Sati.

Regards,
Vivek.

-- 
vivek@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu),
Research Assistant, Systems Engineering Lab., Dept. Of Computer Science, 
School Of Engineering, Computer Science And Technology,
California State University, Chico, California.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mazuns@lib106.its.rpi.edu (Sudip Mazumder)
Subject: AJIT PHATTA
Reply-To: mazuns@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 16:20:25 GMT

Keywords: 

AJIT: MICHAEL TOOM SARA MAAL LEKE MALTA POHONCHO.

MI:   LEKIN BAAS CODE WARD KYA HAI?

AJIT: TOOM US SE KAHENA KACCHA KON SA HAI? 
 
      YO KAHEGA SAARE JAHAN SE ACCHA HAI.
From: sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy)
Subject: Re: Seetham's Blasphemy or Cheap Tickets To VaikunTam
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 31 Dec 92 00:57:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.233831.22833@colorado.edu> paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Atharvan) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec29.155353.809@oracorp.com> narayana@oracorp.com (K. T. Narayana) writes:
>>>
>>[stuff deleted]
>>
>>>There are some language bigots who simply hate north indians
>>>because they speak Hindi, and hate them simply because they
>>>are north indians.
>>>
>>>...kt
>>
>>
>
>1] While I am not familiar with the context of your exchange, based opon
>   the two paragraphs given here, I must agree with kt.

	Before agreeing with kt based on those two lines, I request, you
	should read his postings before and after he posted this to decide
	what he is upto. You may have to just substitute 'Tamil' for 'Hindi'
	and 'Tamils' for 'north Indians' and that will show you how broad minded
	he is to make this comment.

	I agree with the rest of your points.	
>   
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>.   Rain makes me remember,                                                .
>.   The sunset of that golden hour,                                        .
>.   When my eyes were first opened,                     Paul Chemmanoor    .
>.   And I saw your eyes, No longer blind.                   Boulder.       .
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------

	M. Sundaramoorthy
	sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: anderson@whistler.cs.washington.edu (Richard Anderson)
Subject: Bangalore query
Keywords: tourism, sabbatical visit
Organization: University of Washington Computer Science
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 00:38:03 GMT


I am an American professor of Computer Science, and I am planning to
spend a sabbatical year visiting the department of Computer Science and
Automation at the Indian Institute of Science in Bangalore.
I have a number of questions about Bangalore that readers of SCI may
be able to help me with.


I expect to be in Bangalore from August 1993 through June 1994.  My wife and our
two year old son will be with me.  I have visited India three times on
relatively short professional visits, and am reasonably familiar with
Bangalore.  My wife has never been to India.  We will have accomodation
on campus at IISc so we will not have to worry about finding a place to
live.

Here are a set of questions that have occured to us:

Health
We have received quite a bit of advice about health, in particular, it
has been stressed to us that it is important to be cautious about the
water that we drink.  A major question that I have about health is
whether or not malaria is a significant problem in Bangalore.  Do
residents of Bangalore take precautions to avoid malaria.  Is malaria
an concern only during the rainy seasons?


Transportation
We are not planning to have a car, however, I expect that we will
want to rent a car (+driver) on a fairly regular basis.  Are there car
rental agencies or tourist agencies where one would rent a car?
Specific recommendations are certainly welcome.  Safety and
reliability are concerns along with just price.

Tourism
Can you recommend interesting tourist sites close to Bangalore, places
that would be reasonable to visit as a day trip.  What are the
sites in South India that one should not miss.
I am familiar with Belur, Halibid, Shrevanabegola, and Mysore (and
will certainly be returning to see them again).

Hotels
We will have a number of guests come visit us in Bangalore.  Can you
recommend  moderately priced and comfortable hotels in Bangalore.  I
doubt that our guests will want to stay in 5-star hotels such as the
Taj Residency.

Universities
I am interested in developing contacts with computer scientists at
universities in South India.  I have several contacts in Bangalore and
Madras, but do not know people at other south Indian Universities.
My professional interests are in algorithms and parallel computation.
I would be interested in getting names and addresses of computer
science professors that I could contact before going to India.



Thank you for your assistance.

Richard Anderson
Department of Computer Science and Engineering
FR-35
University of Washington,  Seattle, WA 98195

anderson@cs.washington.edu
206-543-4305
From: t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu (Bijoy Sagar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: talk.politics.howrah.bridge.II ( Was re: bengali culture...)
Date: 30 Dec 1992 23:11:32 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



banerjee@hsc.usc.edu ( Samit Banerjee) writes:

> This is too much to accept. May be Deb Chatterjee can carry on
> from here and may be Arindam Ghosh can provide reasons for divine
> intervention. May be Bijoy Sagar can start a newsgroup Soc.culture.
> howrah_bridge-II and Harsh Varma can flame him for it.
>
> Anyway, I am out of here.

I here by propose a new newsgroup talk.politics.howra.bridge.II. This newsgroup
has been proposed to discuss the culture and evolution of the second Howrah
bridge. The charter of the new newsgroup will be as follows:

(1) Civil engineering and bridge construction techniques with referance to
    Howrah bridge.
(2) Is toll ethical? _ Howrah bridge and the commie conspiracy.
(3) Culture and evolution of Calcutta with respect to Howrah bridge II.
(4) Human progress and Howrah bridge II
(5) Ba'hai faith and Howrah bridge II
(6) Jyoti Basu, Chandan, Nandan and Howrah Bridge II : Commie fertility
or the lack of it?
(7) Good samaritan? The designer of Howrah Bridge II.
(8) Tirupavai verse of ancient Tamil and its topical connection with Howrah bridge II.
(9) Mostaffa, Pakistan and Howrah Bridge II.
(10) poetry ( Bengali and with translation) related to Howrah Bridge II.
(11) Hinduism and its journey to Ram Janmabhoomi through the new Bridge.
(12) Is Howrah bridge II pseudo -secular? If so why?
(13) What does Gita and Koran say about suspended and cantilever bridges?
(14) Does freedom of expression affect the travellers on the bridge? Should they    be reported to their system administrators if they have accounts?
(15) Calcuttan economy and Hora bridge II
(16) what is the view of bhadralok / peasantfolk on Howrah II?
(17) Future of the world and howrah bridge II.

The newsgroup will be unmoderated. The discussion will be open for 21 days.

Your turn Harsh:-)


- Bijoy sagar

* add smilies after every sentance. I forgot*
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From: fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh,alt.config
Subject: Re: soc.culture.lang.bengali
Date: 2 Jan 1993 18:17:35 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Nishit writes:
>Thik bolacho guru, amaro nam neyia podpakami thik posaiya na.Amar nam neyia
>kao podpakami koracho to sala potoldanga pateya debo.Jokhon ai addaa newgroupta
>chalo hoi ekto khobor diyo guru. Onak din thek na marei khabar gulo thik hozom
>hochai na.
>
>Nishit


	oomike kee khobar na loge che. ee ki bolbe tumi Bongoli bobu?
	Ek thau Ruchir Godura, unike anagram haube "u r a god". God key
	gothur-maachar karvache tumi loganthi fireplace lite korbesti
	cool beedi ou machise silgau padi. Onike duithau bedtime shtoories
	bolike ami ekdum khushi khushi! :)

	FFT


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: godura@hercules.cis.udel.edu (Ruchir Godura)
Subject: Re: talk.politics.howrah.bridge.II ( Was re: bengali culture...)
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 03:12:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.180756.14294@Princeton.EDU> sguha@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Saumyen Guha) writes:
>It is called the IInd HOOGHLY BRIDGE and *NOT* IInd
>HOWRA BRIDGE. Also, it is HOWRAH and not HOWRA.
er .. its Haora now.
Howrah : Haora == Cawnpore : Kanpur
Ruchir.

-- 
Ruchir Godura | godura@cis.udel.edu | (302) 731-4123 (H) (302) 831-1949 (W)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: balarama@cae.wisc.edu (Prabhu Balaraman)
Subject: Re: AIDS drug by indian firm
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Distribution: usa
Date: 3 Jan 93 19:11:32 CST

" There is a fundamental problem in Srinivas Sundar's argument. It says
if I design a product P, then I can patent it even if the process
used to design P is inefficent. When you allow such a thing to happen
drug companies can always design expensive processes to bleed the client,
and be happy that their products are protected from competetion.   "

  IMHO, one should realize that most of the monies dumped into pharmaceutical
  research goes into extensive testing and certification procedures.  This
  is after more money is pumped in to discover a drug in the first place.
  Indian companies which have been sitting in the sidelines waiting for
  a B-M-S or a Merck to come up with a viable drug should not expect to 
  share the profits. Profits can still be made after the patents have
  expired.  Another point that has to be considered is that Indian Pharma
  companies are notorious for obtaining process patents after the most
  trivial changes in the original process (They are technically different,
  still!)  Those who argue that the consumer gets ripped off should realize
  that, but for the research of the drug companies, they couldn't have
  laid their hands on the drug in the first place!!

  Prabhu
From: shivanan@nyquist.usc.edu (Mr. Shivanan Bhajekar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Good News for India
Date: 23 Dec 1992 14:47:25 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: nyquist.usc.edu

In article <1127@blue.cis.pitt.edu> nkbrahma+@pitt.edu (Niranjan K Brahma) writes:
	stuff deleted [...]

>
>	It seems to me that Mr. Chandrasekar and some of his Indian friends 
>at USC have gone mad ! I wish them early recovery !

	Well, It might interest you that USC commands the second greatest 
	international student population among all the Universities in the 
	United States. SO it is not a valid assumption
	that all Indians in USC know each other. IT is even wilder to assume
	that all of them are friends. Have a heart O Creator. 
	
	It might interest you that at USC we follow the ancient Indian 
	tradition of never getting along with each other. We have two
	India Associations. 

	Shivanand Bhajekar

>
>NKB
>
	The Creator resides in Pitts.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Early Bengali lit. (was Alt.culture.bengal)
Date: 26 Dec 1992 16:45:18 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: jane.uh.edu

In article <1992Dec26.002855.12955@newshost.lanl.gov>, lahiri@pion.lanl.gov (Amitabha Lahiri  505-667-6825) writes:
>In article <1hdh7kINN86h@menudo.uh.edu> mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU writes:
>> ..... Only Bengali writings worthy of note before the
>> Renessiance period is the composers of the Bengali Ramayana and  
>Mahabharata.
>
>Tut, tut :-) -- Forgetting Chandidas is unforgivable. Not many Bengalis 
>are well-versed (forgive the pun) with his works though.
>
>> Arindam
>
>Amitabha
>
>
Piriti Nagare Basati karibo
Pirite Bandhibo Ghor
Piriti dekhiya parasi karibo
Ta chharra sakoli por
		Dwija Chandidas

Ke ba bansi borai, o jomuna noi kule
Ke ba bansi borai e gottha gokule
uchatono mon amar beyakulo pran
bansir sabode mor oulilo poran
		Baru Chandidas
Enjoy

I did not forget them. But talking of modern Bengali poetic
style they are very redundant. Many words used by Baru Chandidas
cannot even be found in a modern Bengali dictionary/
Arindam

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: imran@panix.com (Imran Anwar)
Subject: Re: AT&T Cancels Service to Pakistan!
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 10:34:56 GMT
Organization: IMRAN: Information & Media Resources, Affiliations, Networks
Keywords: AT&T, Calling Cards, Pakistan

In <msdesa01.726018439@starbase.spd.louisville.edu> msdesa01@orion.spd.louisville.edu (Mehul Desai) writes:

>Jan 02, 1993
>	AT&T has started the new year with not such a nice beginning for        Pakistan.  Due to overwhelming fradulent use of calling cards and third party 
>to Pakistan from the United States, AT&T is cancelling these services.  A com-  pany spoke'swoman said that there is always going to be illegal use of services offered by a communication company such as AT&T, but when the dollar amount     becomes overwhelming to a particular area, they are forced to take such action. It is not clear whether this will affect the direct-dialling services. MCI & 
>U.S. Sprint are observing AT&T's move but have not indicated their intentions.
>__________________
>Source: News India, reprinted without permission.

>Comments: Well! Well !  A very embarassing situation, don't you think, my dear
>	  Watson! 

Sorry to disappoint you but one cannot use calling cards from various
high ethnic population areas like NY to India, Pakistan, and dozens of other
countries.  Sherlock, it is an EQUALLY embarassing day for you too.

>This follows close on the heals of a CNN report which suggests a recommendation
>by some insiders in the Bush Administration to declare Pakistan a Terrorist State. 

That definitely MUST have been the reason for AT&T's decision, right?  

>Have a very happy new years fella's!

Thanks, and in case you want to reach out and touch someone in India
make sure not to use a calling card, especially in metro areas like New York.
:-)

>Mehul

Imran
From: skaveti@ra.cs.umb.edu (Savita Kaveti)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: India News
Date: 2 Jan 93 03:24:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston
Originator: skaveti@ra.cs.umb.edu

Article 1052 of misc.news.southasia:
From: manas@cs.umd.edu (Manas Saksena)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: re:Khalistan
Date: 22 Dec 92 19:19:38 GMT
Reply-To: manas@cs.umd.edu


In article <J7H5VB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, garyd@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Gary Deol) writes:

> On the other hand India who now faces growing 
> Hindu fundamentalist is shreading itself apart, and the Ayodhya 
> dispute proves my case!  Lets face it, at the moment the government 
> of India is run by the Hindus for the Hindus only!

It is amazing how paranoid people can get. Perhaps you fail to realize that
the Hindu Fundamentalists have exactly the opposite problem - they feel that
the government of India is for anyone but the Hindu majority and is indulging
in minority appeasement. I wonder how you get the idea that it proves your
case. If anything, it disproves your case. The fact is that almost every 
group in India feels discriminated against - be it the Sikhs, the Hindus, the
Muslims, the Kashmiris, Assamese or whatever. And everyone feels betrayed by
the government. If only people would stop being paranoid and work towards a
solution can a solution be found - if you just want to point fingers then 
nothing will be achieved except more chaos. 

>  Even `moderate Sikhs' will admit that the Indian government isn't
>sincerely interested in ending the Punjab problem, hence the papers
>use the term "missed opportunities".

Nor is it interested in solving the Assam problem, or RJB problem and so on.
By concentrating only on one issue - you are giving an entirely wrong 
perspective on the whole issue and not helping in any constructive way in 
resolving the issues. 


>  Very nice meaningful poem and that is what we wish to achieve in 
>our Khalistan, but this is how the Sikhs feel about India right now:
> 
>"We would rather die on our feet than live on our knees."
>  - Franklin D. Roosevelt, 1939

Clearly, there is little hope for a solution:-). 

>Gary Deol              garyd@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 

regards

Manas Saksena
From: fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Do we need a religion?
Date: 21 Dec 1992 17:02:22 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

v. raghavan writes:

>   I presume even nuclear fission needs some form of conventional 
>   energy source to initiate a chain reaction, I may be wrong).

	Fission, as such, does'nt require anything external. It's when
	you want the whole thing to go at a rate which would make it useful
	as a practical energy source that you need to get a critical mass.


>anyone else to believe it that way.] I remember Arindam Ghosh
>telling me that the punishment for not believing in God is that
>'I will never know what I am missing'. I have heard the same argument
>regarding smoking and drug use too.

	:) Sir, this is utter blasphemy. Omigosh is going to shower his
	peace and love upon you pretty soon :) SUFFER! :)

	FFT
From: rajesh@juniper (Rajesh Raman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Read this, sane SCI readers!
Date: 3 Jan 1993 01:15:03 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: juniper.wpi.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


I don't think censorship would be a good idea. Those who find the stuff
unpalatable would be better advised to add the names of the posters to
their kill files or something like that.

--

Rajesh Raman

--
From: banerjee@hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Languages of assam ( Was Re: alt.culture.bengali)
Date: 28 Dec 1992 17:27:05 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: hsc.usc.edu

rajdas@rainier.tandem.com ( Raj Das) writes:
>
>>please refrain from lumping Assam as a state that speaks Bengali, In case you
>>were unaware, Assam has its own language called Assamese, which is different

In case you were unware, the entire Barak valley speaks Bengali and dont tell
me differently because I have lived there. 

It is because of parochial Assamese chauvinism of the kind you just displayed
that demands for the dismembering of Assam into a Bengali state of Purbachal
(encompassing the entire southern Brahmaputra valley) and Bodoland in the
North East have been growing and might even come to pass.

Some people never seem to learn from history and thus condemn themselves
to repeating it's mistakes. The break up of Assam to create some of the
smaller states of the north east should have been a lesson (one would
suppose) not to pander to jingoistic sentiments. Apparently that lesson
seems to have been lost in Assamese insecurity over their own identity.

Samit


-- 
Samit Banerjee,			    |  
University of Southern California   |  A man who smiles when things go wrong,
Internet: banerjee@scf.usc.edu      |  has found somebody to blame it on.
Bellnet : (213) 342-1401            |
From: jk87377@cc.tut.fi (Kouhia Juhana)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Indian Film Stars GIFS/JPEGS
Keywords: Indian Film Stars
Date: 31 Dec 92 07:52:28 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: cc.tut.fi

In article <1771@rwja.umdnj.edu> gopal@rwja.umdnj.edu (Srihari Gopal) writes:
>
>Anyway I've received a barrage of e-mail from a lot of people who can't
>use FTP to get to the archive site at nic.funet.fi:/pub/culture/indian/pics

We have a mailserver at address mailserver@nic.funet.fi;
send following mail:

  mail mailserver@nic.funet.fi
  Subject: any subject you like

  help

It is useless to put signature to the mail...


>anu4.gif

gif???!!
I have got tiff-versions of some images including anu4;
I have converted them to (24 bit) jpeg format.

I think it could be better if those jpeg images are posted to
a.b.p.m newsgroup, instead of gifs.
Jpeg also takes less disk space and is better quality than gif.


Here is current content of nic.funet.fi:pub/culture/indian/pics/
directory:

total 2293
-rw-r--r--  1 kouhia     137291 Dec 31 09:34 anu1.jpg
-rw-r--r--  1 kouhia      82219 Dec 31 09:34 anu2.jpg
-rw-r--r--  1 kouhia     186893 Dec 31 09:34 anu3.jpg
-rw-r--r--  1 kouhia      61046 Dec 31 09:11 anu4.jpg
-rw-r--r--  1 kouhia      11259 Dec 31 09:34 banupriya.jpg
-rw-r--r--  1 kouhia      72187 Dec  6 02:22 chiru-meena.jpg
-rw-r--r--  1 kouhia      90809 Dec  6 02:22 chiru2.jpg
-rw-r--r--  1 kouhia      75374 Nov  6 00:22 chiru_roja.jpg
-rw-r--r--  1 kouhia      25461 Nov  8 01:21 juhi.jpg
-rw-r--r--  1 kouhia     358874 Dec 17 21:26 madhuri11.gif
-rw-r--r--  1 kouhia      96870 Dec 17 21:26 madhuri31.gif
-rw-r--r--  1 kouhia     129660 Nov  8 01:22 meenakshi0.jpg
-rw-r--r--  1 kouhia       8793 Dec 31 09:17 meenakshi1.jpg
-rw-r--r--  1 kouhia     116310 Dec 31 09:34 pooja1.jpg
-rw-r--r--  1 kouhia      84121 Dec  6 02:22 sridevi0.jpg
-rw-r--r--  1 kouhia       6534 Dec 31 09:18 sridevi1.jpg
-rw-r--r--  1 kouhia     174662 Dec  6 02:23 sridevi2.jpg
-rw-r--r--  1 kouhia     196965 Dec 31 09:34 sridevi3.jpg
-rw-r--r--  1 kouhia      81860 Dec 31 09:34 sridevi4.jpg
-rw-r--r--  1 kouhia      84193 Nov  6 00:34 sundara.jpg
-rw-r--r--  1 kouhia     130791 Nov  4 00:51 sundara_kaanDam.jpg
-rw-r--r--  1 kouhia      37712 Nov  8 01:22 viji.jpg


By the way, I have used 'cjpeg -Q 95' after I noted some improvment
in pictures which does have overexposure(sp? overilluminate?) problems.
Nothing is too good for cute girl images.

(cjpeg -Q 95 is so good quality that gif format seems to be very lousy
respect jpeg.)


Happy New Year,

Juhana Kouhia
From: c23mkb@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Mahesh Bagade)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Customs on Fax machine to India.
Date: 21 Dec 1992 11:27:05 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Hi guys,

Subject: Taking fax machine to India in early part of next year.
---------------------------------------------------------------

Has any body taken a portable fax machine to India any time. Any information 
and experiences regarding customs in this matter is appreciated.. Please email 
me directly as my machine is not on the Internet.

Thanks in advance....

Note Bene: Obvioulsy, the ulterior question is, is there a possiblity of 
           escaping customs?

Mahesh
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