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From: slkim@athena.mit.edu (Stacy L Kim)
Subject: Underwater Hockey
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:44:52 GMT

Pete - 
Glad to hear you are starting a new team!  Sorry to sound like an idiot,
but where is Trent U?  I am assuming you mean Ontario Canada, if so, the
national organization is CUFA, they will have copies of the international
rules available, and will put you on a mailing list so you recieve information
about tournaments.  I will email you the numbers of some friends I have that
play in Ontario.
Have fun starting a team - see you on the bottom sometime!
				-Stacy- (slkim@athena.mit.edu)
From: dd76@umail.umd.edu (Deborah D)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Boston-area dive buddies?
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:18:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Maryland - Zoology



Join the New England Aquarium Dive Club!  I was a member for years, and officer 
for a 
short while, before I moved from the Boston area.  They meet at the Aquarium 
the third wednesday evening each month and have an informal meeting at a
member's house the first wed each month in order to assemble and mail the 
newsletter.  There are over 500 members in the greater Boston area (generally
50 - 100 show up at general meetings).  

They organize local boat and shore dive schedules (May to Oct) and folks get 
together on their own for travel, etc.

Each month at the general meeting, two members' names are picked out of a hat
and they get to dive in the Giant Ocean Tank (GOT) at the Aquarium.  I've
done it and it's a blast.  You can see the little kid's hollerin' on the other
 side of the glass!




Good diving!



Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: tierney@nevada.edu (TIMOTHY P TIERNEY)
Subject: Re: Diving in CA over Thanksgiving
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:54:59 GMT

In article <1eh4e4INNf18@fido.asd.sgi.com> leej@sgi.com (Lee Jones) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.204644.5342@nevada.edu> tierney@nevada.edu (TIMOTHY P TIERNEY) writes:
>>
>>You can also dive the Colorado River below the dam.
>
>Tim - years ago I read about a guy that runs dive charters on the Colorado - 
>supposedly it's a real E-ticket ride zipping past surprised trout at 
>Warp 3.  Do you know of such a charter - names, phone numbers, etc., and 
>what the reputation of things is?  (Like, is it safe for open water 
>type divers that don't have "white water diving" experience?)
>
>Regards, Lee

Hi Lee,

I don't know of anyone organizing dive charters on the Colorado.  Perhaps
they do that up toward the canyon.  The Colorado below Hoover Dam is pretty
sedate with not more than a 2 to 3 knot current.  There is one place with
a *pretty good* underwater rapid called Monkey Hole where it's probably
5 to 7 knots for a hundred or so yards.  Nevertheless, drift diving this
part of the Colorado is great fun.

Regards,

Tim Tierney
NAUI Advanced


Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: sa@ais.org (Scott Almburg)
Subject: Re: Has Pro-Dive in Cairns ever killed anyone?
Organization: UMCC
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:07:55 GMT



I just got back  to the states  from Cairns, having spent 2 weeks there.
Pro-dive  was  offering 3 day live-aboards  plus  advanced open water
training for  $275AU.  There are many dive shops in Cairns:
Pro-dive, Deep  Sea divers, Downunder Dive,  Peter Tibbs, CDC, and several
more I can't remember the names of.  Dive course/trips  are priced very
competitive, and  are of good value.   There are also several companies that
run day trips out  to the reefs, and a host of live-aboard choices.
Queensland  laws require  dive medicals,  which the sho will arrange  for
you.

Water  temp was 26 deg C.

scott Almburg
irie.ais.org


Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: kene@sequent.com (Ken Ewing)
Subject: Re: Shark Hunt -- Sharks common in Hawaii? 
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 16:56:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.141347.18450@newssun.med.miami.edu> dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:
>
>There have been references to shark attacks here, but I haven't heard 
>anything about them.  I was in Hawaii from 1990 - 1991 and never heard
>of a shark attack...aren't they kind of rare there?  (At least compared
>to California.)  Could somebody please tell me what happened? (I don't
>mean to be macabre, but were there really that many and were they really
>that bad?)
>

I have a good friend who was married to a native Hawaiian, and she 
said that there are two things in Hawaii that exist is large numbers 
and that the press is "forbidden" to talk about:  huge cockroaches, 
and sharks.  Exactly how the press is "forbidden" is not clear to me, 
but they are dissuaded from reporting on the prevalence of these 
things because doing so would hurt the tourist industry.  

My friend told me how one time she was swimming off the beach and 
her hand actually hit the back of a shark swimming under her.  She 
had noticed a number of grey shapes beneath her, but had just thought 
that these were rocks on the bottom.  Once she realized that these 
really were sharks, she immediately left the water.  It was then that 
her Hawaiian friends told there that sharks were common, but that 
they weren't talked about because it would scare away the tourists.  

Now, having never been to Hawaii myself (outside of the airport), 
I might need my understanding corrected.  Let me know if that's the case.  

  Ken Ewing 
  Sequent Computer Systems, Inc. 
  Beaverton, Oregon 
  kene@sequent.com 
  ...!uunet!sequent!kene 

Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: mayne@phi.cs.fsu.edu (William Mayne)
Subject: Re: dangerous misconception (was Re: Human bodies explode...)
Reply-To: mayne@cs.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 14:57:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.131637.5461@cattnts.canada.ncr.com> craig@cattnts.canada.ncr.com (Craig Campbell) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.145952.5495@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> mayne@cs.fsu.edu writes:
>
>>While on the subject of dangerous misconceptions, oxygen toxicity
>>doesn't kick in suddenly at 298', nor does it usually strike without
>>any warning...
>
>Bill, in my Nitrox course, we were taught almost exactly the opposite.
>Yes, there are a string of different symptoms which accompany O2 toxicity,
>and people who have suffered from this and survived it report having most,
>if not all, of the symptoms.  The scarry part is that the majority (apparently)
>reported having the symptoms in a quick succession (like a second or two).
>Not enough time in which to react.

This is scary, though possibly exaggerated scare stories. Another
possibility is that the victims just didn't recognized symptoms until
it was too late or there wouldn't have incidents to make it into the
reports.  Who wants to admit that they had plenty of warning and then
let something nearly fatal happen? If they went into full seizures
while under water they were lucky to survive. I doubt the reliability
of their memories for details just before such an event, too.

One of my instructors told me that he got experienced O_2 toxicity
while decompressing on pure oxygen. He had enough warning to switch to
air and avoided problems. But unlike someone diving deep enough on air
to risk O_2 toxicity he would of course not have been narced and that
could make a big difference.

Anyway, thanks for adding a warning. Regardless of the details and
slight differences in what we've heard I think we agree that you can't
count on getting enough warning to do any good - or any at all. Extreme
caution with high PO2 is warranted.

Bill Mayne
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: howeird@hpl.hp.com (Howard Stateman)
Subject: Info on Israel/Eilat?
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 07:08:13 GMT
Organization: Center for Testosterone Poisoning
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]


It is possible that I'll be going to Israel in January, and would like to
know if anyone can tell me about dive shops, approximate cost/reliability
of rental equipment there. In an earlier posting many of you responded
(thanks!) with good ideas on dive sites, so only post those if you kave
something out of the ordinary.
-Howard

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From: Jordon Weinstein <jweinstein@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:47 PST
Subject: Scubapro DC-11 Users
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1458600003:000:206
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!jweinstein    Nov 16 21:47:00 1992


I just bought a Scubapro DC-11 dive computer.  Would like to find someone
who has used one a lot to give me pointers on safe use, reliability, if you
like it or don't, any problems you've had with it, etc.

Newsgroups: rec.scuba,misc.kids
From: jill@sol.asl.hitachi.com (Jill Boyce)
Subject: Trip report: Cayman scuba trip w/ baby
Reply-To: jill@sol.asl.hitachi.com
Organization: Hitachi America Ltd
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:11:45 GMT

We are back from our trip to Grand Cayman: me, my husband and our six month
old baby.  It was great vacation and I recommend it to other scuba diving
parents.

We arranged in advance for a babysitter for the week through the
Best Home Care Agency (809)947-2297.  I requested (and was given) one
person for the whole week.  She seemed reliable, was prompt, and had experience
taking care of babies.  Ahead of time we set approximate hours for the entire 
week (36 total hours).  Once we were there, we changed them around a little
bit, and every day would confirm with the babysitter what time she would be 
there the next day.

I think it worked very well and would recommend it to others, especially when
compared to the alternatives: not going, bringing along a babysitter, leaving
the baby with relatives and going without the baby.  The babysitting
for the week cost us $7.20 per hour * 36 hours = $259.20.  This cost much,
much less than bringing along a babysitter of our own would have.  We got to 
see the baby as much as we usually do during the week (we both work), and 
seeing him every day we didn't worry about how he was doing.  And we had a 
chance to do the vacation things that we wanted to do. We didn't have to impose on any relatives by leaving the baby with them for the week while we went on 
vacation alone.  Actually, I felt better about the quality of care that he got 
from this babysitter than with any relatives we could have left him with.  
(This babysitter had was used to dealing with babies, etc.)  Having
one babysitter for the entire week allowed her and the baby to get to know
each other, and made me feel much more secure.

The disadvantages:  The babysitter came to our hotel room (a 1 BR suite with
a kitchen, actually), so we couldn't be there by ourselves -- it was kind of 
strange to have someone else there when we would pop in and out to shower or 
eat lunch.  The babysitter gave the baby lots of attention so he got a 
bit spoiled and now wants to be held ALL THE TIME.  (After a few days back we
are slowly breaking him of this.)  Traveling with the baby was a real pain,
especially through customs.  

We really liked Grand Cayman.  The scuba diving was great; the beaches were
great.  Food and restaurants were very expensive though.  It was definitely
worthwhile to have a suite with a kitchen so we could eat breakfast and some
lunches and dinners in. We were amazed at how many babies we saw there -- we
thought we would be the only people crazy enough to bring a baby on vacation,
but we weren't.

Jill Boyce
jill@sol.asl.hitachi.com
From: carmanr@lafcol.lafayette.edu (Carman Robert (picro))
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: Hawk-Owl near Toronto
Summary: A sign of birds to come
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:35:52 GMT
Organization: Lafayette College, Easton PA



Don't I recall some earlier speculation about this being a big year for
northern raptors because of poor food conditions for rodents in the north?
Appearance of a hawk owl so far south and so early in the season would seem
to support the expectation of lots of snowies and rough-leggeds. Can great
greys be far behind? We had one in PA last year, and there was a boreal in
Connecticut. Maybe we'll all get a crack at some of those rarities this time.
From: afong@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Krell Kraver)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Hummingbird health question
Date: 19 Nov 92 05:25:49 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Is it true that hummingbird feeders should be removed in the early
fall so that the little guys will migrate (since there's no
food).???

Thanks for the help.
Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: tony@zoo.toronto.edu (Anthony L. Lang)
Subject: Re: Bushnell scopes and ED lenses
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:34:32 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology


>      2.  Is the ED Prime glass significantly better than the
>      regular glass?

ED stands for extra-low dispersion.  Regular glass has a 
different refractive index for the different wavelengths
of light with the result that when the image reaches your
eye, not all of the wavelengths have the same focal point.
Hence the image is not quite sharp.  This is known as 
chromatic aberration.  ED glass doesn't disperse the wavelenghts
differentially as much and therefore results in a much sharper
image.  This is the glass used in the new Bausch and Lomb
ED scope and the new Bushnell ED scope as well as the
fabulously expensive fast new camera lenses.  They are expensive
not so much because they are fast, but because they have
ED glass.  I don't know whether Kowa fluorite lenses acheive
their sharpness in the same way.  I imagine they do.


-- 
Anthony Lang
Dept. of Zoology, Univ. of Toronto
tony@zoo.utoronto.ca
From: ka1gt@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (robert.m.atkins)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Brigantine Conditions?
Date: 24 Nov 92 00:26:34 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: AT&T


Posting restricted to NJ (I hope?).
Does anyone have experience of the current conditions at Brigantine. I've
been intending to visit on "the next fine day" for a couple of weeks now -
but there have been no fine days! Are the snow geese still around? Have the
Canada geese started to leave? Any info would be appreciated (as would some
fine weather!).

===============================================================
Bob Atkins  AT&T Bell Labs  email (direct)  att!clockwise!rma
===============================================================
Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: ka1gt@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (robert.m.atkins)
Subject: Re: Bushnell scopes and ED lenses
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:09:23 GMT

In article <By129M.2B9@zoo.toronto.edu>, tony@zoo.toronto.edu (Anthony L. Lang) writes:
> 
> ED stands for extra-low dispersion.  Regular glass has a 
> different refractive index for the different wavelengths
> of light with the result that when the image reaches your
> eye, not all of the wavelengths have the same focal point.
> Hence the image is not quite sharp.  This is known as 
> chromatic aberration.  ED glass doesn't disperse the wavelenghts
> differentially as much and therefore results in a much sharper
> image.  This is the glass used in the new Bausch and Lomb
> ED scope and the new Bushnell ED scope as well as the
> fabulously expensive fast new camera lenses.  They are expensive
> not so much because they are fast, but because they have
> ED glass.  I don't know whether Kowa fluorite lenses acheive
> their sharpness in the same way.  I imagine they do.
> 

Yes, fluorite lenses (or more correctly lenses with a fluorite element)
work in the same way - by reducing chromatic aberation. Calcium fluorite
is a crystal rather than a glass and fluorite elements are said to be a
little less rugged than conventional glass elements. I have two lenses
with fluorite elements and have had no problems. Though fluorite gives
better color correction, it is significantly more expensive (especially
in large sizes) than ED glass. Note that there are a number of different
ED glasses and apochromatic (chromatic aberation "free") lens systems, some
of which work better than others.

===============================================================
Bob Atkins  AT&T Bell Labs  email (direct)  att!clockwise!rma
===============================================================
From: gregm@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Greg Montgomery)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Bye Bye birdies.
Keywords: parakeet
Date: 20 Nov 92 01:53:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

News flash from Sherwood Oregon:

Picture of flames........

Firefighters pour water on a fire that destroyed a one-story wooden building
housing parakeets near Sherwood on Wednesday afternoon (11-18-92).  
An estimated 4,000 to 5,000 birds died in the fire at Dahl Parakeet Farm, and
the building sustained $35,000 in damage.  The blaze destroyes breeding rooms
and flight pens.  They have operated the farm since 1971.  No cause was
given for the fire.  They do intend to stay in business.
Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: dp10@mc4adm.UWaterloo.ca (Derek Kirkland)
Subject: Re: We need Your assistance (see Letter)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:09:14 GMT

Why are commercial posting such as the recent advertisement for aquarium fish allowed on the net?

Beyond that, what have aquarium fish got to do with birds, except as food for pet birds (take it to rec.pets.birds
in that case).
From: rising@zoo.toronto.edu (Jim Rising)
Subject: Hooded Pitohui
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:28:46 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

Believe it or not, Andrew's not having you on this time.  Conventionally,
the Pitohuis have been put in the Family Pachycephalidae (Whistlers &
related species), or as a subgroup of the Muscicapidae ("Old World
Insect Eaters").  Sibley & Monroe put them in the Corvidae (naturally!),
in the Tribe Pachycephalini.
-- 
Name:     Jim Rising
Mail:     Dept. Zoology, Univ. Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada    M5S 1A1
UUCP:     uunet!attcan!utzoo!rising 
BITNET:   rising@zoo.utoronto.ca
Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: The Internet Surfer <rs18@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Computer Bird Lists/GIFs
X-Xxdate: Fri, 20 Nov 92 19: 25:51 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: rs18@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:17:02 GMT

In article <jmartin-201192060300@jmartin.sci.clark.edu> John Martin,
jmartin@clark.edu writes:

>availability of  bird graphics.  Would some one direct me to a source for
>these items.  Thanks. 

There is an anonymous ftp site for bird gifs:
vitruvius.cecer.army.mil

Cheers!

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Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: rising@zoo.toronto.edu (Jim Rising)
Subject: Mystery Duck
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:48:32 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

Could the mystery duck be a goldeneye (Bucephala), such as a female
Common Goldeneye (B. clangula)?  Larger than Ruddy Duck (Oxyura
jamaicensis), however.
-- 
Name:     Jim Rising
Mail:     Dept. Zoology, Univ. Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada    M5S 1A1
UUCP:     uunet!attcan!utzoo!rising 
BITNET:   rising@zoo.utoronto.ca
From: cn092@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ned Keller)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: Kiting vs "kiting"
Date: 19 Nov 1992 22:58:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Larry Brothers asked:

>This afternoon, Friday 13, I watched two kites hovering.
>So, is there a bird called a hover that kites?

Well, an old name for the kestrel is "windhover".  Now, as to
whether a kestrel hovers or kites . . .    :-)

                                  Ned Keller
From: toby@carson.u.washington.edu (Toby Bradshaw)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: Homing Pigeons and peregrines
Date: 18 Nov 92 01:31:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov18.013147.14695
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Nov18.002157.5248@reed.edu> pbray@gluttony.reed.edu (Peter Bray) writes:
>
>
>I recently bought a pair of breeding homing pigeons.  i was dismayed to  
>find out, though, that the pair will "home" to the site that they were  
>born at.  Is there anyway to "reset" there homing ability to a place of my  
>desire?

Cock birds with young in the nest will usually home to the nest.
Often the females have their wings clipped, and when they have
young the primaries can be allowed to grow out.  Of course, the
young birds will home to their nest.  Natal philopatry is not
perfect even in homing pigeons, but it is pretty good.  Occasionally
a stray homer will show up with one's own flock -- these "strays"
are often killed, since presumably they can be distracted from their
mission to "home".

>How the hell were they used in wars if they only fly to the place  
>they were born?

Obviously, they were reared at the eventual destination.  The
use of homing pigeons for messages in WWII led to the dynamiting
of peregrine nesting cliffs, with little long-term effect on
either pigeons or peregrines.  As anyone who has flown peregrines
will attest, a good homer is more than a match for a peregrine
except under the most unusual circumstances.  I've watched many
a big falcon (gyrs, peregrines, prairies, hybrids) flown against
top homers.  These "sky trials" are set up to the falcon's 
advantage, with the falcon waiting on high overhead and the
pigeon tossed out at ground level when the falconer calls for
it.  Ordinary "city pigeons" are often caught when served in
this manner, which is considered undesirable from a sporting
point of view.  Homing pigeon fanciers will bring out their
best birds, and it's a rare homer that doesn't rather easily
evade the falcon.  The best homers will even spend a little
time making a fool of the falcon before heading for the loft.

Toby Bradshaw
Department of Biochemistry and College of Forest Resources
University of Washington, Seattle
toby@u.washington.edu
From: aw@bnr.co.uk (Alan Wilkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: Are there?  (Was :test)
Date: 19 Nov 1992 17:51:41 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd
NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.100.101.77

In article <christea.29.722177320@dhhalden.no>, christea@dhhalden.no (CHRISTER ANDR JAKOBSEN) writes:
> 
> In article <671@quirm.terminus.ericsson.se> ac@terminus.ericsson.se writes:
> >From: ac@terminus.ericsson.se
> >Subject: test
> >Date: 18 Nov 92 15:24:53 GMT
> >Are there any UK birders out there - this newsgroup seems to be exclusively American.......
> 
> 
> I've asked myself the same question plenty of times. Why aren't there any 
> Europeans writing something on this newsgroup. (I haven't found any others 
> concerning birds).
> 
> By the way,  I think that Lars Jonssons "Birds of Britain and Europe, with 
> North-Africa and the Middle East" is the definitive field guide to date.
> -Ingen ver! -Ingen vid sidan!
> 

I'd agree that Jonssons's field guide is excellent and surpasses the other 
main European field guides. Nevertheless, it's because the quality of most
of the plates is so good that I'm a little disappointed that the occasional 
poor illustration remains in the latest version of the the guide (eg. 
Calandra lark?, Ring-necked duck?). I think Ian Lewington's illustrations in 
Alstrom et al's guide to Rare Birds of Britain and Europe are also superb 
and of more consistent quality than Jonnson's (of course there are fewer of 
them).

Alan Wilkinson (a UK birder...)