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From: lrvanh00@nx38.mik.uky.edu (lee r vanhorn)
Subject: Re: Consciosness and Will
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:45:36 GMT

In article <105195@netnews.upenn.edu> kineuman@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Kai  
Neumann) writes:
> In article <Jan.15.16.18.03.1993.24051@ruhets.rutgers.edu>,  
farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris) writes:
> |> In article <C0wq7y.GJG@cs.uiuc.edu>, mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert  
McGrath) writes:
> |> > The last I heard, electrons haven't been considered "elementary"  
for 
> |> > decades.  
> |> 
> |> Say what!?!? Who told you that tremendous fib? Electrons, to the best
> |> measurements we are currently capable of, are elementary particles,
> |> i.e., they have NO composite parts. All they have been able to do is
> |> put an upper limit on the size of the electron.
> |> -- 
> Ah! particles.  How 'bout probability density functions.  I think the  
point of contention is mute; how we model reality is wholly contingent  
upon what works. In modern science I doubt anybody really believes that  
particles exist as unconditional, i.e. context free, constituents of a  
pinball universe.  So, if we want to talk about elementary particles, let  
us remember that we are referring to a working model efficacious in  
predicting future experiences - I could of said "predicting the world",  
but I/w
> 
> ivision, although efficacious and inevitable in language, seems so much  
like a model of reality rather than what "is", and that, I contend, is  
"experience" - from which time and being are born.      
> 
> 
> 			- Kai
> 
> Probabilism - sounds like a cannibal nihilism.  
> Anyway, its the doctrine that probability is a sufficient
> basis for belief and action, since certainty is unattainable.
> It's not my doctrine, although I'm liking it the more and more.
> It seems kind of anarchic doesn't it?
> Or maybe its the eternal womb and slayer?
> Probability/Tiamat. Oh, I like it.
> I guess Tiamat rises again.

Yep, electrons are elementary particles.  Very much so.  I have been  
having an arguement on a BBS here in town over physics things.
From: meagher@skyfox
Newsgroups: alt.consciousness
Subject: RE: Science Superior to Mysticism
Date: 26 JAN 93 03:33:57 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
NNTP-Posting-Host: sask.usask.ca

In a previous article, hughg@brutus.ee.su.oz.au (Hugh Garsden) wrote:
>>
>>The idea that science can be applied to anything is, I believe, false.
> 
> 
>Science is based on observation. I think this can be applied to far more than
>you realise, if you open up your methods of observation.
> 

Observation is not sufficient to differentiate science from other methods
of inquiry.  I agree, observation can be applied to alot of things, but the
particular type of observation called "Science" has a more restricted
domain of applicability.  Also, I think it is necessary to cash out what 
exactly you mean by "is based on".


Paul D. Meagher
Dept. of Psychology
Univ. of Saskatchewan
From: asanders@adobe.com (Alan Sanders)
Newsgroups: alt.consciousness
Subject: Re: Next?
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:47:25 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

| ...you _can't_ have any such thing as an objective viewpoint...
| therefore any observed phenomena exists only in the mind of 
| the observer...
			-Tom

This doesn't follow. Our observations (thoughts, feelings and
sensory perceptions) are certainly subjective, but "things in
themselves" exist (or do not exist) quite independent of the
way in which we perceive them. Our problem is that we cannot
distinguish the Real from the transitory, since *everything*
is rendered as a vision in the mind.

| ...although if your observations and those of other people 
| mostly agree you can make some deductions about the probable 
| nature of "Reality".

This doesn't follow either. Agreement among people can be the
result of shared illusions. Besides, we can only say that
"something real" may lie behind commonly observed phenomena.
The true nature of that Reality cannot be known from *any*
subjective viewpoint. If a bunch of blind men compare notes
on their subjective experiences of an elephant, they may
arrive at a fairly accurate notion of what an elephant looks 
like to the human eye. But what does an elephant look like
to a bumble bee? What does it look like to an angel?

					-Alan
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From: hughg@brutus.ee.su.oz.au (Hugh Garsden)
Subject: Re: Science Superior to Mysticism
Organization: University of Sydney, EE Dept.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 23:38:45 GMT

In article <C19yx9.ID5@HQ.Ileaf.COM>, mukesh@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mukesh Prasad) writes:
|> 
|> Scientism?  Is this a new word?  

No. It comes from psychology and philosophy. I first came across it in a book
published in 1983. Since then I have seen it many times. If interested drop me
a line and I'll dig up some references. If it becomes common enough I expect
it will appear in dictionaries at some stage. It (i.e. scientism itself) is
gradually becoming a subject for study.  

|> So your definition involves "others"?  In other words, is "science" as
|> you see it, primarily a social concern?  In that case, is it
|> really very different from any other religion? 

It includes many religious practices. But see the following -

In article <24JAN93.17433003@skyfox>, meagher@skyfox 
>In a previous article, hughg@brutus.ee.su.oz.au (Hugh Garsden) wrote:
> 
>Science is not a religion. It is a method created by human beings to find
>things out, as best as one can. It can be applied to anything.
> 
>
>	The idea that science can be applied to anything is, I believe, false.


Science is based on observation. I think this can be applied to far more than
you realise, if you open up your methods of observation.

But still, it is true that science has limits. These are real, and not
artificial. There are two modes of knowing; the first (science) is based on
observation, the second is based on "being". As an example - I know things
exist because I can see them with my eyes. This is observation, the first mode
of knowing. However, my eyes can't see themselves. So by observation, I cannot
know that I have eyes. It is by the second mode of knowing that I know I have
eyes, because I can see.  


-- 
Hugh Garsden		
University of Sydney 
hughg@ee.su.oz.au


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From: mropp@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: mystic gibberish (was Next...)
Organization: Clark University
Date: 21 JAN 93 20:15:34 GMT

This is Laura.
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From: dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham)
Subject: Re: Science Superior to Mysticism
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 09:03:14 GMT

In article <C18F4y.35C@news.rich.bnr.ca> ethridge@crchh403 (Allen Ethridge) writes:
>I don't think you know what mysticism is.

My dictionary says:

mysticism: 1) the experience of mystical union or direct communion with
              ultimate reality reported by mystics.
           2) the belief that direct knowledge of God, spiritual truth,
              or ultimate reality can be obtained through subjective
              experience.

Do these strike you as reasonable, and if not, could you provide
a better definition?  Is there any reason why I should believe that
these really are the result of a direct communion with an ultimate
reality, as opposed to just people doing weird things with their
brains?
--
Doug Graham         dgraham@bnr.ca         My opinions are my own.
From: jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.consciousness
Subject: Re: Particles ?
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:39:26 -0500

In article <C1GArt.IF2@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu>, bil@okcforum.osrhe.uoknor.edu (Bill Conner) writes:
> 
>    Hey, the electrons I've been looking at are waves! Besides, it
> makes more sense to think of an electron as a sequence of events
> rather than a thing; we can imagine viewing some finite ramification
> of the event, but can we call that observation a particle? I prefer
> the notion that no one has any idea what an electron is, only what
> "it" does. Some prefer to confuse the description with the thing
> described it seems.

	What it *is* ??? I don't understand. An electron *is* what
	it *does*. You might as well ask "what is a rock ?" - the
	sum-total of its characteristics - 'Verbed'. 

	Granted, even a total description of an object is not the
	same as the actual object, which is why I added 'verbed'
	to the above def. You are right that implying that any
	single 'snapshot' of an electron is not going to tell us
	all about electrons. So, we take millions of snapshots
	from every concievable perspective until we don't see
	anything new anymore. Reduce all those observations to
	handy math and you thus know what an electron 'is' for
	all relevant purposes. The term 'particle' is just a
	convention - 'point in spacetime exhibiting a given
	range of characteristics' might be a little better.
	'Particle' is just a leftover from an age where folks
	liked to imagine some *substance* to their protomatter.

-- Jim Mason 
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From: ramirez@spock.uucp (Andreas Orphanides)
Subject: CD sound thru Thunder board?
Organization: Choate Rosemary Hall
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:55:16 GMT

Does anyone know of any drivers which will allow me to play my CD-ROM's music
through my Thunder board? I've seen a driver for the SBPro but don't know
if it would work.

Also please inform me as to where this driver is available?

Email me at

ramirez@choate.edu

Thanks.
Xref: sparky alt.cd-rom:6093 comp.sys.sun.hardware:7161
From: lou@flipper.Corp.Sun.COM ("Luis R. Ordorica")
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Sharing a SunCD
Date: 26 Jan 93 03:25:03 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: flipper.corp.sun.com

In article <1993Jan21.214528.1030@aisg.com> tcurrey@aisg.com (Thomas E. Currey) writes:
>> I currently have a SparcStation with an attached SunCD CD-ROM drive,
>> and an IBM-compatible laptop computer.  Currently, almost all the CD's
>> I have are for PCs, and require PC specific software.  I've tried
>> using the SUN DOS emulator, but MSCDEX was very unhappy (said it
>> wanted more memory, and things like HIMEM.SYS are too PC-specific 
>> for the DOS emulator to work).  Does anyone have any idea on how to
>> make the CD-ROM drive readable by the PC?  I have heard something
>> along the lines of PC-NFS which would allow the laptop to share data
>> with the SUN;  any specific information would be much appreciated.
>
> 
>
>Using PC-NFS or PCTCP or whatever NFS Protocol on the PC, You
>can mount a  PC's CDROM over NFS onto you PC.
>
>I have a setup:
>
> Sun mounts the PC's CDROM to the directory /cdrom
>
>    # mount -rt hsfs /dev/sr0 /cdrom
> 
> Export /cdrom
>
> On the PC, do an NFS mount from the Sun to your I: drive.
> 
> Everything should work fine then.  Coral Draw worked
>great.

Also, be sure to include the '-ro' read only flag when you export the
cdrom directory. Otherwise, the PC will be unable to mount it.


--
   ---  My opinions do not represent the opinions of my employer.  ---   
      ----  "Not everyone can carry the weight of the world."  ----      
  lou@Corp.Sun.COM					        -R.E.M.  
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From: jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele)
Subject: Re: Toshiba/Texel
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 220-0636
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:44:48 GMT

tweten@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Dave Tweten) writes:

>Incidently, I like the manual eject and particularly like the fact that
>the drive ignores commands to prevent eject.  People should command;
>machines should do.

That's one way to look at it.  Another way is that I was always afraid
to put "Books In Print" out where people could look at it.  At $1000 for
six disks (sent every other month), I didn't feel that I could take the
risk that I might turn my head the wrong way at the wrong time.  It'd
take just a few seconds to steal the CD.  Yes, the odds are pretty low
that somebody'd do this --- but I had to send back the old CD to R.R.
Bowker to continue my subscription.  If I couldn't send a disk back
because I didn't have it, would Bowker charge me for another whole
subscription?  

I didn't want to find out.  So people didn't get a chance to use
something that might have helped them.

Not everyone has their own player in their own home or office.

--
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From: babb@sciences.sdsu.edu (J. Babb)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Looking for HyperCard XCMD for viewing PhotoCDs
Followup-To: alt.cd-rom
Date: 25 Jan 1993 23:32:05 GMT
Organization: SDSU - LARC
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: larc.sdsu.edu

Yo!
 Subject line pretty much says it all. If I get mail, I'll summarize and
post.
Thanx.
Jeff.
From: cg011@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark M Woodward)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Sony Bookman
Date: 24 Jan 1993 00:08:02 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


This is my first visit here, and wonder if there has been any comment or
talk about the Sony Bookman. I have a couple of applications that I think
would suit the format, but have not heard much about it. 
Thanks,
Mark Woodward
-- 
Mark Woodward
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Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:06:27 -0500 
From: Jordan Powell Hargrave <jh5y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Toshiba 3401 availability


  Does anyone have any info on pricing and availability of the Toshiba
3401 CD-ROM drive? (scanned through the Shopper, didn't see ads for it yet)
Also, does anyone have a review of the drive?


  Thanks,
  Jordan Hargrave
From: wlopez@vitalink.com (WLopez)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: HELP CD-ROM Driver for Mac CI
Date: 28 Jan 93 06:56:13 GMT
Reply-To: wlopez@vitalink.com (WLopez)
Organization: Network Systems Corporation

In article <hl377pe.728134012@unidui>, hl377pe@unidui.uni-duisburg.de (J. 
Petersen) writes:

> 
> My friend got a Mac IIci with CD-ROM. This CD_ROm is controlled
> via external SCSI-Interface, but he does not have appropriate
> Software to access the CD-ROM drive.
> 
> Can someone tell him where he could find the sotware for using 
> the CD-ROM ?
> 
> -thanks in advance
>

The latest "CD ROM Set-Up" software is available on AppleLink.  I believe it 
is version 4.2.  Find a friend who has an account on AL and have him/her 
download it. 

Walter Lopez
wlopez@vitalink.com
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From: BITZM@COLUMBIA.DSU.EDU (Mike Bitz)
Subject: READ THIS!
Reply-To: Mike Bitz <BITZM@COLUMBIA.DSU.EDU>
Organization: FUNET-NGW
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:00:34 GMT

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From: ross@kaos.b11.ingr.com (Ross Erickson)
Subject: Re: MSCDEX loading hi?
Reply-To: ross@kaos.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:22:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.122342.6210@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jnlong@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey N Long) writes:
>In article <7DaLXB1w165w@mongobbs.new-orleans.la.us> todd@mongobbs.new-orleans.
>la.us (todd toles) writes:
>>Can one load MSCDEX high using QEMM 6.0X?  If so, could someone explain
>>to me how to do it, or point me to a source that can?
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>Todd E. Toles / UNO PO 645, New Orleans, LA 70148-0645
>>Todd@Mongobbs.UUCP (or Todd@mongobbs.new-orleans.la.us)
>
>     I have been working on this very problem all weekend, and finaly found the
>parameter /e.  this loads MSCDEX into ram above 640.  I was using EMM386 but 
>any manager should work.

This will only work if you have EMS (Expanded memory) setup.  I don't
with QEMM (NOEMS setting).  How do you put it into HMA or memory above
640K.  The EMS config uses too much high memory because of the 64K
memory window.

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From: Dennis.Hafemann <Dennis.Hafemann@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: Drive for PC and Mac?
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:32:37 GMT

I have both a 486 PC and a Macintosh IIsi.
Would it be possible to buy a single CD-ROM
drive that would work with both these computers?
(I understand that it could not be connected to both at the same time.)
If so, what controller would you recommend for the PC side?
If a special cable would be required to the Mac, where could I get one?

Dennis
-- 
Dennis.Hafemann@mixcom.com
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From: ross@kaos.b11.ingr.com (Ross Erickson)
Subject: Re: MSCDEX loading hi?
Reply-To: ross@kaos.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:25:23 GMT

>>>Can one load MSCDEX high using QEMM 6.0X?  If so, could someone explain
>>>to me how to do it, or point me to a source that can?
>
>>     I have been working on this very problem all weekend, and finaly found the
>>parameter /e.  this loads MSCDEX into ram above 640.  I was using EMM386 but 
>>any manager should work.
>
>I don't think this is quite what he wants.  Using expanded memory is not the
>same has loading something into an upper memory block, though it does help
>to free low memory.
>
>Try using the QEMM optimize feature, and see where it puts MSCDEX.  It'll probably
>edit your autoexec.bat to say something like "loadhi /r:2 MSCDEX ....".  Optimize
>is described in the QEMM6.0 manual.
>
>Hope this helps.

Mark,

I'm afraid this doesn't help.  optimize puts the settings in the right
place, but the drive fails to be recognized once the program is loaded
high.  It doesn't work.
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From: Orakel@sarpih.no (Jens Kr. Kirkeb)
Subject: Re: Toshiba info wanted
Organization: stfold Ingenirhyskole
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:34:08 GMT

In article <11536@prijat.cs.uofs.edu> plishka@wurzburg.cs.uofs.edu (Rich Plishka) writes:
>In article <Orakel.63@sarpih.no>, Orakel@sarpih.no (Jens Kr. Kirkeb) writes:
>|> I would like to get some more information about the Toshiba 3301 if
>|> possible.
>|

>according to the toshiba folks in boston, the 3301 is out & the 3401 is in.
>3401 - 200ms access   330kb transfer   256k buffer  scsi2

I know about the 3401. But since I have no need for such a fast drive, I
was looking at the cheaper 3301. The 3301 should also be discounted now
that the 3401 is out.

>|> First, what is the differences between the 3301 models ? I have seen 
>|> 3301B and some others. 

>B is internal   E - external  P - portable

I have heard that the 3301BC is supposed to be multi-session. Can anyone
conform this ? What's the price difference between the 3301B and 3301BC ?

>looks like a drive to watch..  red book, yellow book, xa, photo-cd compliant

And expensive...

Jens Kr. Kirkeboe
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From: sih@netcom.com (Peter Sih)
Subject: Toshiba 3301 XA Upgrade and Photo CD
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:32:15 GMT

I have a Toshiba 3301 external cd-rom drive which was upgraded to XA at
the factory.  What drivers do I need to run Lodak Photo CD Access?
Will a new MSCDEX be necessary?

Peter Sih
-- 
-Peter Sih
 sih@netcom.com
 (408)997-0852
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From: poffen@sj.ate.slb.com (Russ Poffenberger)
Subject: Re: Uncl: TEXEL 3024
Organization: Schlumberger Technologies, ATE division, San Jose, Ca.
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Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 21:47:07 GMT

Robert Moss (SPRG0002@TULSAJC.BITNET) wrote:
: *** Resending note of 01/21/93 23:27
: 
: There was one surprise.  The 3024 has only one SCSI port.  It will
: always have to be on the end of the SCSI chain.  I must admit, I never
: thought about this possibility prior to being faced with it.  The
: external unit 5024 does have 2 ports.  Oh well, live and learn.

I don't know of ANY internal bare SCSI drives that have two ports. They
are always single port. You get, or make a ribbon cable with the IDC connector
in the middle of the cable if you want to continue the chain to another
drive. The Texel has a jumper to enable/disable termination, so if it isn't
the last drive, just disable termination. SCSI drives are always terminated
right at the PC board where the connecter is, so the electrical stub is short
enough to not be of consequence.

The external models simple have a loop of ribbon cable internal to the case.
Each end goes to a SCSI connector, with an IDC connector in the middle of the
loop that plugs onto the drive.

Russ Poffenberger               DOMAIN: poffen@sj.ate.slb.com
Schlumberger Technologies ATE   UUCP:   {uunet,decwrl,amdahl}!sjsca4!poffen
1601 Technology Drive		CIS:	72401,276
San Jose, Ca. 95110             Voice: (408)437-5254  FAX: (408)437-5246
From: jeffc@soba.osf.org (Jeff Carter)
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: Re: Re: Pioneer DRM-604X FAQ
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:59:13 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Open Software Foundation

I seem to have missed the DRM-604X FAQ by about a day. Could someone 
E-mail me a pointer to an ftp-able location, or the FAQ itself?

	jeff carter
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From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith)
Subject: Loading CD-ROM drivers high on 286's  ->can it be done?
Organization: (this space for rent)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:23:58 GMT

I've been reading about the problems that people are having loading
CD-ROM device drivers high in order to maximize conventional
memory.

It seems like you need QEMM x.xx and even DR-DOS to do it on 386's. (?)

So, what I want to know is, specifically concerning the new 350 ms
Mitsumi CD-ROM drive, can the device driver that comes with it
be loaded high on a 286 with 4 megs of ram and MS-DOS 5.0 ?

If not, will driver's use of conventional memory seriously handicap
other DOS applications?

Can QEMM x.xx be used on 286's to solve these driver problems?
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
From: bwilliam@iat.holonet.net (Bill Williams)
Subject: Re: Photo-CD To PPM
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:55:41 GMT

You request will more likely be filled (be me for example) if you did not
have such a boisterous and flamboyant signature.

-- Bill Williams
From: OTTOP@NYUACF.BITNET
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom
Subject: (none)
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:30:33 GMT
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