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From: dtiberio@csws19.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: EDS Personel Policies
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:55:21 GMT

In article <3675@news.cerf.net> cjk@nic.cerf.net writes:
>In article <2AFDF78F.23670@news.service.uci.edu> stieglit@orion.oac.uci.edu (Jeff Stieglitz) writes:
>>I've heard that EDS has quite a personel policy handbook which governs 
>>employee behavior and dress.
>>
>So does IBM, DEC, ATT, HP, SLB, ML.  In fact a personel policy
>is just about standard issue with any company you work for.  And

	PLEASE ADD BURGER KING TO THIS LIST.

>they generly reflect the character and attitude of the
>company and its employees.  If your looking for dirt,
>you won't find anything hear.
>
>Chris Kevlahan
>cjk@cerf.net


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From: ar12@quads.uchicago.edu (Andre Robotewskyj)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: DISTRIBUTION LIST ON NATIONAL DEBT AND TRADE ISSUES, NOW TAKING NAMES (FREE)
Date: 12 Nov 92 02:00:38 GMT
Reply-To: ar12@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

DISTRIBUTION LIST FOR ARTICLES ABOUT US FOREIGN TRADE PROBLEM, FOREIGN
AGENTS AND THE NATIONAL DEBT....NOW TAKING NAMES.
 
This is a note to inform all of you about a distribution list we run 
which distributes about once a month, articles about the U.S. trade, 
political and debt situation. This newsgroup may not be around much 
longer, so we're doing our best to set up a distribution list now 
before we all lose contact with each other. If ever you wish to be
removed from the list, I would delete you immediately.
 
Recently you may have seen some articles on this group
(one about Japanese trade policy (JAPANYES), and other was a list
of 'foriegn agents' who are high level government people who sell 
you out to foreign companies for bribes and 'fees'. 
 
These articles are usually not available via other media which is why
we run this list.
 
These files were first sent down our receiver list before they were posted 
generally. (These files (the Japan ones) are currently at anonymous FTP 
site monu6.cc.monash.edu.au   in    pub/nihongo    
(read the INDEX file in that directory for details)).
 
In the future, we won't be posting these as often, but rather sending
them down the distribution list. If you would like to be on the
distribution list for these articles (one every month or so), please
send me a note and I will add you. 
 
 
Andre,
 
ar12@quads.uchicago.edu
From: cermak@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Rob Cermak)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Clint & UWSA
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:03:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Alright...the first press conference was given by Clinton.  I'm
impressed by his acknoledgement that he will not give into
party lines for these four years.   Hey, talk is cheap. 

I think this is a 'attempt' to disband the 19M UWSA 'citizen lobby' 
by now saying everything will not have political motivation and is 
motivated by the people.  A new "Code of Ethics"?

Gore on the street? Ask him how much a loaf of bread is?   Didn't he
look good on stage?

Show a good sense of strength now, yeah, we 'canned' the person looking
in passport files and then go status-quo.   Petty action, but
significant to act like something is being done.   Nothing to
do with anything we want done.  Clean out government corruption...
egads...there's lots more where that came from.

Reports show, the SIMPLE changes which all candidates were 
supporting, won't be the first item.

LINE ITEM VETO -- Power to cut PORK.  Which I think CLINTON really
needs if he wants to 'test' these packages out because 
'that's why I was voted president.' 

Its being pushed back several months, as to NOT TO CAUSE initial
conficts in CONGRESS, before 'we' get other packages through that
congress may like.  Before any more packages go to Congress, this
line item veto should be in effect to packages do not get encumbered.

If you want to add something to it, it better be written in there
before it is submitted! 

Anyone know who is New Jersey's STATE UWSA Co-Ordinator is?
Someone got a phone number?...I'm registered nationally, but this
does not necessarily help me out -----> locally.  Our 'county' 
co-ordinator seems to have bailed out.

Thanks a $4 Trillion,
	Rob
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: The Economic Summit
From: turney@kenyon.edu
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:57:22 -0500
Organization: Kenyon College

It is interesting that Clinton is now proposing an economic summit to work out
a specific game plan to tackle economic problems.

I wonder where he got that idea.  Maybe from the little guy with big ears that
was written off by the experts because he did not have a specific plan - but
proposed solving problems with a similar process.

If Clinton searches for answers from unbiased experts as opposed to those who
financed his campaign - there might be some hope.

Glen Turney
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: wandac@sequent.com (Wanda Chauncy)
Subject: Re: STATUS UPDATE/United We Stand/Perot '92
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 19:15:49 GMT

I got through on the 1 800 685-7777 number today!  The volunteer who
answered said that yesterday callers who got through had to wait 20
minutes to get their call answered!

The Dallas volunteers are putting together a mailing list for a UWSA
newsletter.  You can call the 800 number or the number below to give
them your mailing address.  Currently Ross and Orson are meeting with
attorneys to try to make UWSA a non-profit organization.  (The
volunteer said they will NOT become a PAC.)

Unknown how much longer the 800 number will be connected so I was
given this alternate number to use:

                United We Stand, America
                214 960-9100

For written correspondence use:

                United We Stand, America
                6606 LBJ Freeway
                Dallas, TX  75240

It is my hope that America will become stronger after this political
cycle and not need Ross to run for President in '96.  Remember we
have a whole host of Congress critters to watch as well as our state
and local representatives.  Let's hold them *all* accountable and
bring back the American Dream!
From: cermak@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Rob Cermak)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: NATIONAL ADDRESS?
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:37:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Can someone mail me the National HQ address in Dallas, TX?
or possibly the 1-800 phone #?

Rob.
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Prog/Tech Rutgers Meteorology-COOK              Department of Meteorology
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: cah@tyr.JPL.NASA.gov (Allen Halsell)
Subject: Re: Clinton isn't Carter
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA/Caltech
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:12:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.214132.18599@newsgate.sps.mot.com>, jeffh@pisces.sps.mot.com  (Jeff Heilner) writes:
> In article <1992Nov6.130328.25689@njitgw.njit.edu> aaron@funcity.njit.edu  
> (Aaron Watters) writes:
> > It's possible that Clinton won't be reelected, but that will
> > be because the mess that Reagan and Bush left will require some
> > tough and unpopular medicine that may not pay off within 4 years.
> 
> WOW! 
> I was wondering how long it would be before this excuse surfaced. 
> But, I never though it would be BEFORE Clinton even took office!

WOW!  Me too!  I mean, Carter screwed the economy up
so bad in his four years (sandwiched in 20 years of Republican
presidents) that George Bush (the man who destroyed the USSR, brought
down the Berlin Wall and bombed Iraq into the Stone Age) couldn't push
the unemployment rate below 6%.

> ;)

:-) :-)

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               the spoken word is a jacket too tight
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: dougnews@access.digex.com (Doug Humphrey)
Subject: As usual, a good investment
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:38:11 GMT

>...a failed $50 million attempt at the White House.

The guy who wrote this really doesn't get it.

When the smoke clears, people will realize that Ross Perot has
changed the face of American politics, perhaps forever, but 
certainly for the next several presidential cycles.

Ignore the man, the message, all of that for a moment.

The concept of the "third party" has been a joke for so long
now; the Libertarians have been carrying the standard for it,
but the reality is that their stances really are not where the
people of the nation want to be (hey, I am a registered Libertarian,
so don't give me shit, I am just saying what reality bears out).

This is the first time in a LONG time that a third party has been
this effective.  How effective?  One point shy of 20%, folks.  That
is one in every 5 people.  The popular vote margin betwen Clinton and
Bush was a 2 or 3 million, Perot had almost 9 million votes.  

So, without getting into the political issues, it can be stated
truthfully that Perot has opened the door to a *viable* third 
party, has given the concept credibility even if he himself does
not run in '96.  He has shown the way, and it will be up to the 
people to decide if they want to continue in that direction.

Not a bad buy for $50 million ;-)  And no taxpayer cash in there
either, as it should be.




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From: jovanovic-nick@cs.yale.edu (Nick Jovanovic)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Ross Perot is the only true choice for change
Date: 6 Nov 1992 11:49:13 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
NNTP-Posting-Host: zoo-gw.cs.yale.edu

In article <1de3aqINNb48@life.ai.mit.edu> joltman@doctor-pepper.ai.mit.edu (T. Andy Frakes) writes:
>Why, specifically, is treating the government like a business
>dangerous?  Obviously, you can't turn it into a real business in
>every sense, but you can take a business approach to it.  Using
>that philosophy should make it more efficient.
 
Well, since the vast majority of businesses *fail* rather quickly and
either cease to exist or restrucure under bankruptcy, I don't see why
using a business model for government is of much use.

>Regardless of what you think the differences between business and
>government are, the fact remains:  the US is pissing away ungodly
>amounts of money on interest.  If we hadn't racked up this $4Trillion
>debt, we could have cut all taxes approximately in half and have
>the same revenue.  Interest is the US spends most of its money on --
>not defense, social programs, etc.
 
Businesses are *not* up to their ears in debt????  Businesses are also
wasting capital on debt service in a big way.  And another thing, perqs
in business are a *lot* worse than they are in government.  Take a look
at the furniture, artwork, and carpet in your bank (not to mention the
salaries for executives).  Private businesses are wasting our money on
these perqs, instead of giving us lower prices, higher returns, or
better service.  Having worked in both private and government settings,
I have seen vastly more waste in private business than I have in 
government.  

-Nick Jovanovic
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: How to Contact United We Stand
From: turney@kenyon.edu
Date: 9 Nov 92 12:24:53 -0500
Organization: Kenyon College

If you are interested in contacting United We Stand to get your name on the
mailing list and/or communicate your ideas for the future direction of the
organization,

	Phone:	1-800-685-7777

	Mail:  	United We Stand
		6066 LBJ Freeway
		Suite 150
		Dallas, Texas  75240
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From: pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Clinton
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:10:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: SSDT SPS, Motorola Inc., Austin TX

In article <1992Nov5.020543.4009@sequent.com> jwk@sequent.com (John "Just Say Noe" Kramer) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.233941.7247@news.acns.nwu.edu> ssc@nwu.edu (Steven Chung) writes:
>>In article <1d8j2qINNda@rave.larc.nasa.gov> jcburt@gatsibm.larc.nasa.gov () writes:
>># In article <1992Nov3.234248.15959@news.acns.nwu.edu> ssc@nwu.edu (Steven Chung) writes:
>># >
>># >No, they align themselves with him.  If Bush totally ignores the
>># >legislative concerns of the 'bigots,' I'd hardly say he aligned himself
>># >with him.
>># >
>># 
>># No, I guess I just imagined it when  Bush was *real* chummy with Pat Robertson
>># in the speech he (Bush) gave at the Founders Inn in Virginia Beach, and
>># saying that he (Bush) supported the ideas of Robertson. If you didn't
>># know, the Founders Inn is OWNED by Robertson and has a policy to only
>># hire white christians...gays are also banned from the place because
>># Robertson claims that "gays cannot be christians..."
>>
>>Wow.  And Bill Clinton never pandered to the wishes of his audience.
>>
>>What Democrats are unwilling to admit is that no matter what Bush the
>>politician or Bush the private citizen might say or think, Bush the
>>statesman and president knows and has known better than to mandate morals.
>
>Just as well, as he's a proven liar. Is this the same GHWB that voted
>against Civil Rights in the 60's?

You are a proven liar, buddy. Bush never did any such thing.
From: richard@TIS.COM (Richard Clark)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Thanks, Ross...
Date: 4 Nov 92 16:53:45 GMT
Reply-To: richard@TIS.COM
Organization: Trusted Information Systems


Dear Ross Perot,

	Thank you. Thank you for making this the most exciting and
invigorating election I have ever seen. Thank you for keeping the
focus on the issues. Thank you for providing us with a choice other
than the two major political parties. Thank you for helping throw GHWB
out of office. Thank you for the sacrifices you've made.

	I can only hope to see you again in '96. Please sign me up
for the UNITED PARTY and let me know if there's anything I can do.

	Thank you again for establishing a small ray of hope that our
political system can yet still be changed.


					Richard H. Clark



-----------------------Relativity Schmelativity-----------------------------
 Richard H. Clark				My opinions are my own, and
 LUNATIK - watch for me on the road...		ought to be yours, but under
 It's not my fault... I voted PEROT!		no circumstances are they
 richard@tis.com				those of my company...
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From: cermak@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Rob Cermak)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: STATUS UPDATE/United We Stand/Perot
Date: 8 Nov 92 12:45:23 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

>>sfreedkin@igc.apc.org (Steve Freedkin)
>>The latest on the news is that United We Stand might register as a political
>>action committee -- that's right, a PAC.
>>
>>BOO BO BUP -- We're sorry, but isn't that what Perot was running AGAINST?

The only difference being that we will be a voice of the USA, not a
slave to campain funds.

If writing your congressman isn't enough, try crowding congress with 
1-2 million people that want a particular bill signed and enacted.  I 
think they can probably remove the roof.  Gee, I don't think the GOV'T
wouldn't know what to do with 2 MILLION PEOPLE BEATING ON D.C.?

19 mill / # of congress = 30,000 people per congressional person.

I think that if a certain congressional needs convincing, the number
of people needed to lift his/her eyes and see 30K people outside
their home quite a movement.

Now 30K are the people whom voted for Perot, I think I saw an exit
poll saying at one point during the last month of the election,
40% of all voters considered a vote for Perot.   Now that brings
the range up to 38 mill or 60K+ people whom could be mobilized.
-- 
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Programmer NJ Climate Center &		USMAIL: Rutgers University
Prog/Tech Rutgers Meteorology-COOK              Department of Meteorology
FAX             :908 932-7922			Cook College  PO BOX 231
Meteorology Dept:908 932-9387                   New Brunswick NJ 08903-0231
[Change = Write your( Congress Representative + White House + Senator )]
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: tjg2946@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: (REPOST) alt.politics.united.we.stand (EASIER TO VIEW)
Reply-To: tjg2946@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:39:30 GMT

Well...
I support the idea of alt.politics.united.we.stand.
We should disolve the old alt.politics.perot one month after
the United we stand exists.

Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: EDS Personel Policies
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:52:51 GMT

In article <bill.721593254@castor> bill@cognet.ucla.edu (William M. Eldridge) writes:
>cjk@nic.cerf.net writes:
>
>>In article <2AFDF78F.23670@news.service.uci.edu> stieglit@orion.oac.uci.edu (Jeff Stieglitz) writes:
>>>I've heard that EDS has quite a personel policy handbook which governs 
>>>employee behavior and dress.
>>>
>>So does IBM, DEC, ATT, HP, SLB, ML.  In fact a personel policy
>>is just about standard issue with any company you work for.  And
>>they generly reflect the character and attitude of the
>
>Please...personnel.  Look it up.
>-- 
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oh no...a spelling error.  guess if we didn't have spell checkers then
bill could get a job with his special *skill*.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: canaan@u.washington.edu (Always a rainbow)
Subject: Re: Thanks, Ross...
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:38:40 GMT

In article <9211041653.AA04257@TIS.COM> richard@TIS.COM (Richard Clark)  
writes:
> 
> Dear Ross Perot,
> 
> 	I can only hope to see you again in '96. Please sign me up
> for the UNITED PARTY and let me know if there's anything I can do.
> 
> 
> 					Richard H. Clark
> 

i am opposed to turning this into a party, so are 3 out of 4 perot  
supporters. would give u a reason but i have to go. car parked illegally.

and thanks ross.
"did you ever you're my hero?" -- the wind beneath my wings
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.usa.constitution
From: brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder)
Subject: Re: Democracy or Republic ?
Organization: Quake Public Access
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 10:11:24 GMT

In article <1dl8g8INNb2t@cairo.crhc.uiuc.edu> peercy@crhc.uiuc.edu (Mike Peercy) writes:
>byrd@lucerne.rice.edu (Marc J Byrd) writes:

>| I think this idea was carried over into the congress.  Does a
>| representative represent?  Or does he/she/it vote their concience?
>| You would think the founders intended them to represent, as reflected
>| by the title they gave them.  

>I agree.  However, not a single one of the 535 congresspeople
>represents me--that is, votes as I would vote.  So as far as I'm
>concerned, they are either a pack of liars, or they vote their
>own consciences and there's not a thing I can do about it.

I feel exactly the same way.  My senators are Dianne Feinstein and Barara
Boxer, my congressman is Henry Waxman, and my president is/will soon be
Bush/Clinton.  In what sense any of these folsk can be said to represent
me, I have no idea.

>| Marc J. Byrd - byrd@rice.edu       |  United We Stand. 
>| Rice University                    |  Whether or not you accept it, you are 
>| Dept of Elec & Comp Engr           |  responsible for the actions and 
>| XUV Holographic Microscope Project |  inactions of your government. 

>How can you possibly believe the statement in your sig?  There
>isn't a single person in Congress who represents me, yet I am
>responsible for their actions?

>You must be using Oxford's definition 3a for 'responsible':

>  3 a Answerable, accountable (to another for something); liable to be
>      called to account.

Indeed, when they pass a bill spending your money, you are held responsible.

>So I'm responsible for the government much same way I'd be responsible
>for a homocidal maniac who broke into my house.  If he chose "to call
>me to account" by shooting me in the head, I'd be "responsible."

That's exactly right.  The only sense in which you can be said to be 
responsible for such people or actions is if you explicitly approve of them.
For example, a German citizen during WWII who worked with the resistance
could hardly be said to be "responsible" for the actions of Hitler.  On the 
other hand, a citizen who voted for hitler and voluntarily sent his kids 
to a Hitler Youth camp and joined the Nazi party certainly shares some of the
blame for what happened.

--Brian 

Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: UNITED WE STAND MASCOT ISSUE
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:48:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.145020.2080@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> cho@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>  *-Greetings to Perot supporters and United We Stand advocators-*
>***********************                    ***************************
>I think that since the UNITED WE STAND campaign is turning itself
>into a political organization, it's time we of the internet take
>time to pause and reflect.....
>
>	What would be a good mascot?
>
>The Democrats have the 'ass'  B^) (sorry, couldn't resist that) while
>the Republicans have the lumbering elephant.  OK...
>
>Now, the first thing that comes to my mind, is, of course, the oyster.
>This is symbolic of the sand (all of us) making the irritations to 
>produce pearls (good benefits) from the oyster (the system).
>
>Another mascot idea comes to mind...the bull dog...or better yet, the
>yard dog mut.  One that barks and growls and causes people to wake up
>and listen.  One that sounds the alarm when something isn't right.
>
>Anyone have a thought on the mascot issue?  
>-Pamela Cho-

i like the mut dog idea....dogs are very faithful and watch over their 
homes and family and sound an alarm if something is wrong!