HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Useless Bots
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:27:59 GMT
Organization: Aston University

jason@coombs.anu.edu.au (jason..) writes:
: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans) writes:
: 
: >oren@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Oren Kastner) writes:
: >: already too many of those around.  I'm stressing here the fact that this is
: >: NOT a client that the average joe can compile and keep in his/her account
: >: [resources permitting], but a server that needs extra attention and a Sys
: >: Admin's approval to make it into an offical resource.
: >(what extra attention? if someone can compile a client they can just as
: >easily compile a server)
: 
: er just a small note here. it is conceivable you can get the client
 ..figure out how to uncompress and untar it , type in make 
.. and get a client ..(finding it might take u a little while if you really are that green :)..about the only 
discover it won't run/produces streams of errors when you try to load up
scripts etc.
: thing i can think of that you might have to set is the default server..
: but you would get a usable client ..
: 
: try doing that with ircd and you probably find it cant find your ircd.conf..
: that is if you knew what it was etc..
: 
: id say there is a big difference between getting the client working and the 
: server.. totally out of context to this argument of course.. but i wanted to
: point it out :)
If you are talking the ircII client you find that this wants a path to ircserv
to know where to find its default script directory (with the latest version 
a keymap dir as well)
The server needs just a config file and a motd file, which it keeps 
in the same dir.
If someone can alter config.h for a client to get it to run, then config.h
on the server source is a doddle.
: 
: -jason
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From: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed)
Subject: Re: Useless Bots
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date: 21 Jul 92 11:19:31 GMT

asamonte@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Just some loser...) writes:

[...]
>This is a little off the subject...but...Someone was suggesting implimenting
>S: lines so that two or more services could share the same nick.  Sounds
>difficult to me...but for a solution that could be implimented now what about
>having a few nickserv/noteserv.  Like a north american, european, and 
>australian one.  (any any other major areas I forgot)

Has been done (service.de has a proper implementation of S-lines).
All you need to do is convince the author to release it.

avalon
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: buboo@alf.uib.no (Ove Ruben R Olsen)
Subject: SCORE TABLE [WAS: Re: Patriot Games]
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 07:27:05 GMT

Anthony V. Dean writes:

Finland:  2
Norway:   2
Germany:  1
Ozzie:    1
...
...
...
...
USA:      2

Sh*t, the XXXXX XXXXXX XXXXXXX Finns beat us up... (as usual, but that
is due to our under developed brains here in Norway... just some
inside information to all you out there: We have just ONE braincell
in the whole population.
(Thank God that I'm only half Norwegian :-)

\Ruben.


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From: StarWatcher@uiuc.edu (StarWatcher)
Subject: Re: Problems with certain people ...
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Reply-To: StarWatcher@uiuc.edu
Organization: UIUC Actuarial Science Program
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:26:58 GMT
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content

evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans) writes:

:This sort of thing does not do the IRC net much good, flooding will reduce the
:performance for ALL users.
:IMHO any admin who allows this (or in fact causes it) should cease to be an
:admin.
: 
:Conclusion someone should be booted off IRC, preferably for good!

Hmm...mebbie it's time I unearthed some of my old logs of floodbots
from *.santafe.edu (using vesta.unm.edu's server), and a conversation
I had with Scott about a completely useless bot he was running with
a faked userid@host, and his claim that he can fake any userid@host....

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From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Useless Bots
Date: 27 Jul 92 12:11:46 GMT
Organization: Aston University

oren@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Oren Kastner) writes:
: 
: So? How does the generation of ``random'' information should be deemed as more
: important than pre-programmed one?  Seems silly to me.  For example, you /msg
: avalon and he doesn't know who you are so he does a /whois on you.  Right there
Do you know what responds to a WHOIS?
The local server, the one you are directly connected to, the command is 
NOT sent accross the irc net.
: he generates traffic that a bot might NEVER do -- as you said, it only
: generates whatever traffic it was preprogrammed to output.  Also, there is less
: overhead when considering the chance that a bot will get into a
: ``conversation'' with someone -- as a ``human'' on IRC might.
Odd I thought that this was the whole point of IRC, to talk to _people_.
: 
: 
: [ -=- About Moose -=- ]
: >Well one thing if he's not the admin at his site he might not want to attract
: >his attention.  ircII is a CPU user, and IRCII script bots are pretty much
: 
: So you are justifying his actions by suggesting he might be running a server
: without the cooperation of his Sys Admin?  I would think that the Sys Admin's
: support would be *VERY* important in running your own server.  The only
Running a system which chews up CPU time is a good way to get on the wrong
side of the sys-admin.
: already too many of those around.  I'm stressing here the fact that this is
: NOT a client that the average joe can compile and keep in his/her account
: [resources permitting], but a server that needs extra attention and a Sys
: Admin's approval to make it into an offical resource.
(what extra attention? if someone can compile a client they can just as
easily compile a server)
In fact it was a client (ircII) which as being refered to.
if you will think back to the original post you will discover that the
title specificaly mentioned the ircII client program.
: 
: >wasting a WHOLE lot of CPU because they are running all the IRCII code just to 
: >use the ircII scripting language to make a bot.  If people start using
: >up CPU time for irc, then the admin might cut it off, and let people do 
: >=REAL= work on the machines.
: 
: This is *NOT* the point here!
Correction this is the point.
: 
: >Well it is a lot of their businesses because they run servers...they might
: >not want all the traffic that bots create on there. 0Vanity channel op bots
: >create a lot of mode traffic.  And cause general problems for people.
: 
: Wowowo, hold on a minute.  When you run a server it is NO business of yours
: how many users you have on the server and what/who they are -- UNLESS they
: cause problems (like harassment).
Buzzz wrong answer.
What are K-lines and R-lines for then?
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From: StarWatcher@uiuc.edu (StarWatcher)
Subject: Re: Useless Bots
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Reply-To: StarWatcher@uiuc.edu
Organization: UIUC Actuarial Science Program
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:18:51 GMT
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content

Christopher Davis writes:

: Darkman> use user@host, very reliable against all but those who know
: Darkman> how to fake logins.
:Well, gee, security through (not-very) obscurity... login faking is
:trivial under most conditions (unless your server is set up to check
:with identd, *and* your machine is running an identd, *and* you don't
:switch servers to one that doesn't check with identd...)
:This is also assuming that a server hasn't been compromised, which
:allows you to fake both user and host (just ask BIFF@BIT.NET, who was
:registered with NickServ for a while :-).

Is it my imagination, or are faked userid@host's becoming more common
on IRC.  And, am I alone in finding them d*mned annoying?

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From: gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Patriot Games
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:10:12 GMT
Followup-To: misc.test
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia

In article <14kmmcINNegg@network.ucsd.edu> adean@weber.ucsd.edu (Anthony V. Dean) writes:

>The issue is not whether they are being provoked or not. The issue is not 
>who's bashing which country. The issue is people resorting to ethnic 
>slandering for their alleged arguments.

Well, the Finn didn't engage in ethnic slandering -- he merely said
that many people from the US on IRC are immature jerks, like you. That
strikes me as a fairly straight-forward truth, not slander of any
form. As for why he'd make this statement, it has to do with him being
provoked.

It's quite simple.
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: StarWatcher@uiuc.edu (StarWatcher)
Subject: Re: Problems with certain people ...
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Reply-To: StarWatcher@uiuc.edu
Organization: UIUC Actuarial Science Program
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 02:39:56 GMT
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content

*flame on*  (hit 'n' now if you don't want to see it...)

wright@aesc.cs.odu.edu (GENTLEMAN) writes:
:gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl) writes:
:
:   This doesn't make sense. You might as well say it: the person who is
:   doing this is Scott Yelich, and he's been doing this sort of thing for
:   years. I had an agreement from his boss at ODU that Scott was not
:   going to do this again, and indeed he stopped at ODU, but now is
:   elsewhere. Since he is a repeat offender, I'd advise calling his boss
:   on the phone and explaining exactly what he does. The logfile should
:   be sufficient proof.
:Hmmm.....let me correct this story as I recall it:  Scott sent
:you an ascii file of a middle finger.  You got upset, Greg, and
:pulled links.  I recall UVA admin being upset with 
:the manner that you conducted yourself.  Wasn't it
:Scott's boss that called your boss at UVA and made sure
:that you no longer cut ODU's link?

Dunno about that, but I do know that _someone_ has been flood botting
off and on.  I know of three people who were flooded by bots in /msgs,
and these bots have been on santafe's server, with (faked) userid@hosts
of something@something.santafe.edu.  I dunno for sure if these bots
are Scott's doing, but I was hit by one of them after pestering him
about a truly useless bot (18+ hours idle time!?!) he was running, and
a very close friend of mine was hit by one of them after referring to
Scott as an a**hole in a private message.

And this person is an op?!

*flame off*


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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Subject: Re: Call for submission on layout of stats.
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:53:26 GMT

In article <UePpo3q00XQGAEO35f@andrew.cmu.edu> Douglas Allen Luce <dl2p+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>Straight counting of users seems to be the current tradition in
>gauging the importance of any particular server.  While this might
>show just how much IRC is used in various locations (or how well
>clients are installed at the particular location), it's not much help
>in deciding routing.

Well, it is a help in this sense: it tells you where the people you
are serving are, so you can concentrate your efforts on serving them
and not on arranging routing for servers that nobody uses.



Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: gja@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Grenville Armitage)
Subject: Re: Patriot Games
Organization: Basket Weavers, Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 05:48:55 GMT

In article <14lh99INNpms@network.ucsd.edu> adean@weber.ucsd.edu (Anthony V. Dean) writes:
	[..]
>If you read it again the post script is conditional. 

Your postscript was symbolic of general cluelessness, no conditions
apply. Do you always open your mouth just to change feet?

>Now, who's stupid?

Indeed.

gja
From: eng20009@nusunix3.nus.sg (TAN GIM WEE)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Compiling IRC client for Ultrix
Date: 24 Jul 92 03:50:38 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore

Can anyone please tell me how to go about compiling the irc client for
ultrix. I have little experience compiling multifile programs in any
language. Thanks a million
From: hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose)
Subject: Re: IRC STAT 3 (ranked)
Organization: The Evil Fascist IRC Admins From Hell, Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 01:32:52 GMT


penfold.ece.uiuc.edu [ 2.7.2f.] [0184971] [06] [13] [726] [237] [03] [58.118]
badger.ugcs.caltech.edu [2.7.2f.I] [0267699] [10] [11] [702] [235] [02] [ 62.6]
fairhope.[...] [2.7.2f.9] [1058461] [21] [05] [544] [213] [02] [66.302]
csd.bu.edu [2.7.2b.e] [0347983] [44] [07] [878] [316] [02] [141.53]

oh, I'm tickled pink! csd has twice that of it's next closest
competitor, and badger's not far behind!

--Helen

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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: dougmc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Doug McLaren)
Subject: Re: Problems with certain people ...
Organization: Doug's House of Disco
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 03:56:27 GMT
X-Posted-From: dopey.cc.utexas.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <Bs6KqL.GF9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> StarWatcher@uiuc.edu writes:

>Dunno about that, but I do know that _someone_ has been flood botting
...
>And this person is an op?!

Well, I've been on IRC much of today, and I've been flooded almost continously,
(It seemed to stop about 8:00 pm, but was going strong since 2:00 pm ...),
by bots from santafe.edu ... the same type of flood.  I mentioned it to a
few #tz regulars, and one of them asked this user about it ... his response?
"demon is a jerk" ... then he went on to brag about how his bots were connected
to each other directly (using IRCII's new dcc raw commands I assume ...) 

I guess somebody didn't like my post ...


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From: adean@weber.ucsd.edu (Anthony V. Dean)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Patriot Games
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:22:07 GMT
Organization: University of California at San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu


  >ckp2n@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Chris Powell) writes:
  >Anthony, I was put-off by your pointless drivel long ago.

Chris Powell
Look. I'm not here to make friends or to please anyone. If I see 
something I don't like, I'll speak up against it. I'm not under 
any illusion that what I say aren't going to piss some people off, 
and I am prepared for any retalation. But if you disagree with 
something I said, then attack the argument, pick out the part you 
think is wrong, tell me why you think it's wrong then tell me your 
story.  Don't just simply tell me you're put-off by it! I already 
know that!!! 

If you're so pissed at what I'm saying but all you can offer in
return (like the majority of people who replied has been doing) is
name callings and personal attacks then perhaps it means you're
pissed because you don't have an answer and so to vent your anger
you call names. Simply tell me you're "put-off long ago" is pretty
useless to me. Furthermore, it display your inability to articulate
your views.

For those who haven't been able to quite grasp what I've been
"drivelling" about, it's quite simple: I don't like people using
ethnics to generalize, to slander and to degrade simply because 
they can't think of anything else more susbstantive to back up their 
arguments. I am NOT talking about any specific country, I am NOT 
defending any specific country, I'm NOT saying this country is better 
than that country.  And for those who insist that they have been reading 
the group, I'm going to say for the last time, I'm not American, I'm 
only a visitor here. I'm Australian.

So, if you're pissed, then say something meaningful. Tell me you're
pissed alone is not good enough. I value the opinions of the flamers
who can point out the weaknesses in my argument more than those who
simply say they're pissed and then brilliantly picked out one or two
tabooed adjectives or verbs to mask as arguments. Think about why
you're so pissed.

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From: tmm4264@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: IRC Relationships/Love
Reply-To: tmm4264@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:52:22 GMT

I am currently conducting research in the area of Interpersonal Computer
Mediated Computing.  More specifically I am researching romantic realtionships
formed over a computer network.  If anyone has any comments, questions,
stories, bitches, gripes, notes, papers, ftp sites, books, articles, gum
wrappers, or the like, E-mail me at the enclosed address.

I appreciate the help, and I will pose more questions to the "audience" as
the thesis develops.


Tim McManus
tmm4264@ritvax.isc.rit.edu

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happens if the first guy was wrong?"
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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Subject: Re: IRC STATS!
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:54:23 GMT

In article <9220623.16510@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> thecure@ee.mu.OZ.AU (the cure) writes:

> Everything here is sorted accorted to a document I found outling site
> efficiencies. They're not final. Lemme know what you think.

Well, it's hard to see how you computed the "efficiency" number, but
it seems to be a ratio of outgoing bytes over incoming bytes? If so,
you've got a measure that rewards hubs for passing around lots of
overhead more than rewarding leaves that are serving lots of users. It
is a good start for a measure because it gives a low score to servers
that have no users and are not hubs. But people should keep in mind
the limitations of this method.
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: gja@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Grenville Armitage)
Subject: Re: Patriot Games
Organization: Basket Weavers, Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 06:57:08 GMT

In article <14o7moINN3kh@network.ucsd.edu> adean@weber.ucsd.edu (Anthony V. Dean) writes:
>Your opinion is ok, but if you cant back it up, it's just an opinion.

My opinion is that you talk to much, about very little, with no content.

Only my opinion, mind.

gja
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From: s6883289@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Peter Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Useless Bots
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 00:40:55 GMT

In article <91963@bu.edu> jky@buengf.bu.edu (John Yu) writes:
>HKServ is not a noise maker, just an op-bot.  HKServ's main purpose is
>to auto-op ppl from a limited list of trusted users who can maintain the
>channel.  Of course, a major channel needs ops who are responsible to
>watch over the channel, especially from obnoxious users.  If there were no
>bots in #hk, or even irc in the whole, then irc would be an unorganized 
>hell-hole for communication.

oh well, the netnews system has been in existence for years and i don't see
how it has become an 'unorganized hell-hell' for communication..
most of the problematic channels are those that exist without a well-defined 
purpose. you rarely see much problems in #initgame, #warez #hack because
these channels exist for a specific purpose, you know what to do when you get
there and their respective users don't like to see you doing unrelated things.
but in the case of #hk, #asians, #taiwan, you simply don't know what are you 
supposedly to say there. are they for chatting? for social discussion? for free
hugs and kisses? heck, i am currently banned from #taiwan because i tried to 
start a taiwanese language discussion on #taiwan.. :)
perhaps these 'cultural' channels need a better organization? like
#hk-social-talk, #hk-culture-talk, #hk-dating, #hk-bash, #hk-whatever..
or better yet, #hk should rename itself to something like 
#hk-for-my-friends-only-and-foes-will-be-banned?
from my experince, the _only_ channel justifies having a bot is #initgame. :)
logic: i love you!






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From: smr@iti.org (S.Riehm)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: FAQ wanted...
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:55:05 GMT
Distribution: alt


more to the point I want the address of a european mail ftp site that
has the sources for irc. ( which i assume would be in the FAQ, if
there is one )

many thanks in advance

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From: dxandy@cs.widener.edu (Andrew Greenshields)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: irc down?
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:36:43 GMT
Organization: Widener University CS Department, Chester PA
NNTP-Posting-Host: ashley.cs.widener.edu


  For the past two days I have been trying, with no success, to get
into irc.  My default server is fairhope.andrew.cmu.edu, I have tried
irc.virginia.edu and ucsu.colorado.edu too.  I have also given
bradenville a whirl, as well as a couple of numerical IP adresses that
I was given.  None of these seem to work.

  Is irc down?  Or is there some other reason that I can get in.  The
net is up at our site, I have pinged colorado and fairhope with no
problem.  Can anyone give me some more servers to try please?

Thanks.

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