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From: judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: A few Questions
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:58:00 GMT
Reply-To: judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM
Organization: Tektronix, Inc. - Redmond, OR

In article <4625.9301111902@bonzo.xylogics.com>, rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo) writes:
|> 
|> Lisa asks about changing clothes before bed.
|> 
|> We started changing Isabel into "pajamas" when
|> she started taking baths in the tub, rather than
|> the sink, at about 6 mos. old. (She only got
|> sink-baths 2-3 times per week, but tub baths
|> nightly). This was not so much because the clothes
|> she wore during the day were so different from
|> the pajamas, but because at that age (6 mos) we
|> wanted to get her into an evening routine.

I change my daughter before going to bed, too.  This started out
as part of the evening routine for us also, and what happened to
us may help other parents whose babies refuse to go to bed at
a respectable hour.

When my daughter was very young, under two months, she wouldn't
go to bed until 11 or 12 at night.  I was very eager to move this
hour up some, but nothing I did seemed to help her get sleepy in
the evening.  Finally, I was discussing the problem with my
housekeeper (mother of three and source of much child-rearing
lore for me), and she suggested that I give the baby a warm bath
in the evening before what I hoped would be her bedtime.  She said
to try it as warm as the baby seemed to like it.  This worked really 
well--I started giving her a nightly bath and she started going to bed 
earlier and earlier.  One night she went to bed at 9, and my husband 
and I didn't know what to do.  We sat around and looked at each 
other in amazement for what seemed quite some time.  

Very quickly (it seems to me now, in retrospect) Austin started
going to bed earlier, eventually working up to a far more
respectable 7 p.m.  I still give her a nightly bath, but now it's
more because she's such an enthusiastic eater that she gets food
all over herself. 

When I change her for bed, however, I usually put on the same type
of clothes that she wears during the day--one-piece cotton things.

Judy Drake
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Home births and HMOs...
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:40:34 EST
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <168CE6D9E.M18709@mwvm.mitre.org>, M18709@mwvm.mitre.org writes:

> We had one child in a hospital and one at home.  They were both
> very exceiting and emotional, however, the birth at home was much more of a
> family bonding experience.  

Interestingly enough, although *both* of my children were born in a hospital,
we also found the second birth experience to be (as you say) more of a family
bonding experience. My husband and I both commented at the time and later that
everything just seemed somehow easier and that our daughter seemed to simply
fit right into our newly expanded family, even before she had spent a night in
her own crib!  I believe that a lot of the bonding feelings may come quicker
and even easier the second time around.  The parents are "veterans", and for me
there was more of an awareness that this was MY child, since I had the
background of already having watched my son grow and develop.  I didn't feel so
much like a new alien being had landed :).

So, I understand your point but I believe that it isn't necessarily a homebirth
vs. hospital issue.

Ann Helmers
From: kohrn@sumax.seattleu.edu (David or Corinne Kohrn)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Toilet training FAQ request, me too.
Date: 11 Jan 93 11:42:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: sumax.1itemtINN581
Distribution: na
Organization: Seattle University
NNTP-Posting-Host: sumax.seattleu.edu

Add me to the list of people who would love a copy of this FAQ
			Thanks
			Corinne Kohrn
			kohrn@sumax.seattleu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only)
Subject: Re: Circumcision and Pro-Choice (was: A few facts about circumcision)
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 21:40:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.070110.26215@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
>In article <1993Jan1.235506.15389@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu
>(The One and Only) writes:
>
>   > It is quite humorous how you turn the phrase "pro-choice" on
>   > it's head.  The only application to the circumcision issue is to
>   > allow the boy to choose whether or not to be circumcised.  It is
>   > his body, so it is should be his choice.
>
>So in other words, you're saying that while it's inside you can basically
>rip the kid apart limb from limb, but once it's outside you can't take off a
>measly little foreskin?  Hey, then have I got a solution for you...circ the
>kid while he's still in utero, then it's the MOTHER'S choice, since it's
>still only an extension of her body!

Don't tell me you're one of those who believe in single-celled human beings?

Jim "acorns are not oak trees" Copeland
--
Have you washed your brain today?
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech)
Subject: Re: Childproofing (NOT!)
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:33:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.151827.3349@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com>
dan@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com (Dan Breslau) writes:
 
>glen@slate.cs.wisc.edu (Glen Ecklund) writes:
>
>>barb@sq.sq.com (Barbara Burrows) writes:
>
>>>In case you missed it....that means he can now (at 15 months on tippy toes)
>>>open a closed door and close it behind him.  Aren't we talented.
>>>Just think of the fun we're going to have now!!!
>
>>In case anyone is unaware of them, you can get doorknob covers which make it
>>hard for a one-year-old to open most doors.  They don't impede as well if
>>the doorknob is not smooth.  They don't impede adults much.  I think Toys R Us
>>has them.
>
>My SIL and her husband are using old socks over the doorknobs.  They
>seem to work fine.  (They have a 3.5 YO and a 1.5 YO who haven't been
>able to open these doors, and a 3 WO who hasn't been concerned with
>them yet.)
>
>--
>----------------------------------
>Dan Breslau
>dan@codex.com
>"Why quote someone else?" -- Paul E. Hoffman
 
When my sons were less than 2, they slept with their bedroom door shut
because their older sisters made too much noise going up and down the
hall.  We would often hear the door open (after the kids were supposed
to be asleep) and out would come Tim followed by Tom.  Tim was blamed
because Tom hadn't mastered door opening yet.
 
A few months later, Tom started coming out by himself.  Turns out, whenever
Tom had wanted to leave the room at night, he woke up Tim so Tim could open
the door.  Once Tom could open the door for himself, he let Tim alone.
 
Teresa
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk)
Subject: Re: Help with Spanking Alternatives
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:39:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.045240.11706@news2.cis.umn.edu>
sapphire@wings.micro.umn.edu (Theresa Jarosz Alberti) writes:
>I'm really interested in alternatives to spanking when dealing with
>children too young to understand reasoning.  My son and daughter are 17
>months old and they are starting to get into behaviors I'm not sure how
>to handle.
>     .....
>Any suggestions would be appreciated!
>
>Theresa Jarosz Alberti       sapphire@wings.micro.umn.edu
 
   I just got through the holidays with a son who just turned two.  He was
at the Christmas tree all the time, too.  He pulled up a chair and was trying
to reach the ornaments that I had moved from the lower branches to the higher
ones.  He wanted to unplug and plug in the lights.  He used a broom to 'hit
the tree'.  Such fun!  His sister, who is 3.5 years old, had the same
curiosity but was a little bit more sly about her investigations.  She had
her favorites among the ornaments and had to remove them to show me.
  My only suggestion is what did work for me:  constant repetition of 'Don't
touch that!' (with my daughter, it worked to say, 'You can touch the branch,
but only the tip, and only touch an ornament very lightly') and keeping the
kids very busy with other things.  I stocked up on legos and sewing cards and
washable magic markers and 'paint with water' coloring books so there was al-
ways something to do, away from the tree.  I didn't put presents under the
tree until Christmas Eve when the kids were asleep.  If a visitor to our
home gave them presents, they were allowed to open the presents immediately.
  Because it can get pretty hectic around the holidays, they were crankier
than usual and tantrums earned my daughter 'time-outs'.
  Throwing food on the floor - that stage passes.  I think both of my kids
went through it.  In fact, my son still does it sometimes and it is a signal
to me that dinnertime is over for him.  He has to get down from the table when
he does that.  Last night, he ate spaghetti for dinner and didn't throw a
single strand to the dog (who loves it!) because spaghetti is his favorite.  If
I am really worried that he won't eat something, I feed him myself.  Mealtime
is just not an easy time when food looks like a good plaything, the dog is
waiting below, and a child is not particularly hungry (being hungry and being
served a favorite food is a guarantee of a clean plate in my house, for adults
and kids!).
                                        Good Luck!
 
                        K. Wilk
                        M18611@MBVM.MITRE.ORG
 
            <--********************************-->
 'Thrusting my nose firmly between his teeth, I threw him to the ground
  on top of me.' - Mark Twain
            <--********************************-->
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Homebirth vs. Hospital birth
Date: 13 Jan 93 04:19:20 GMT
Organization: Sylvan Associates

I missed the beginning of this thread... but I'm a homebirth mom. All
of my children were born at home, with midwife care.

					*Tigger*
-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89,
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Corey 1/31/91; we loved him so,
                                     Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Early Puberty (summary)**LONG**
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 13:50:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.202048.21995@novell.com> mlinda@novell.com (M'Linda Taylor) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.193114.959@cbnewse.cb.att.com> elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen) writes:
>>
>>One thing I didn't see in the summary of articles on early
>>menses is the correlation between menses and no longer
>>growing much in height.  Apprarently menstruation is a trigger
>>for the growing ends of bones to start hardening, so only
>>a couple more inches in height will happen.  The point is
>>that if a girl is very short relative to adult women and menses
>>seems to be coming, a parent may want to consult with a doctor
>>about medication to delay menses until the girl
>>has grown a bit more.
>
>Diane, 
>
>I was 9 years old when I was blessed with this event (really, I could
>have waited a few more years.....) %>  I was about 4' tall by High School
>I was 5'1" in my late teens I stabilized at 5'3 and some how between ages
>23 and 25 grew to 5'5".  I don't know if I got lucky or not.
>
>M'Linda
>

  What!  Lucky you.  What was your secret?  Maybe I can still get this
  32 year old body to grow some (not wider, I can always do that!).
  I menstruated at 12 and never grew another inch after that.  I was
  5'1", and still am.  Maybe it's all genetic anyway, as I cannot
  believe a whole generation of women will get shorter because of
  early puberty brought on by better nutrition.  My husband grew 3-4
  inches in college, lucky him.
From: kellee@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kellee Noonan)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:32:14 GMT
Subject: Re: PC educational programs and games: titles and sources needed
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: misc.kids

Playroom - my 4YO didn't like it she likes Manhole better.
******8
We also have an early explorer software series called McGee, McGee's
Day at the Fun Fair and Katie's Farm. She loves them. I thought they
were a bit simple, but she likes to explore with them.
********
No experience here with the others, except my daughter's 4YO friend
has Reader Rabbit and she likes it but my 4YO is bored with it....
no conclusive results there.
********
KidPix, I can only say YES YES YES!!!!! It is great. Actually, my
husband bought it for me and I let my kids (4, 11, and 14) use it
if they are extra nice to me. 

The 4YO LOVES this program. It is the greatest kid program ever. The 
sounds, and images and variety are great. All the tools and stamps and
everything keep all of us happy for long times creating pictures and
screens full of stuff.

*********
Other games we have are the Mickey Mouse (game is ok, but it requires
a separate sound source box to hear it. We already had soundblaster, so
it is a pain to have another sound device)

For older kids, we have Math Blaster plus, OutNumbered, and Star Trek.

Hope this helps. 

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cn262@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cindy Carpenter)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Castor Oil
Date: 7 Jan 1993 15:10:27 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, tlholli@srv.PacBell.COM (Theresa Hollidge) says:

>How about washing and waxing the kitchen floor by hand?  That might bring
>on labor and it doesn't make you nauseated.
>
>teresa   (due 4-10-93)

Funny, I can't tell you how many of my friends have had a burning desire
to wash their kitchen floor the night before they went into labor! 
Usually they got talked out of actually doing it, so I wouldn't
attribute the start of labor to floor-washing, but it does make me
wonder if there's something about imminent delivery that brings on a
cleaning frenzy.  So, Teresa, if you get that urge to clean the floor in
April - take heed!

- Cindy
From: hide@unlinfo.unl.edu (harry ide)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Castor Oil
Date: 7 Jan 1993 16:16:01 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu

cn262@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cindy Carpenter) writes:

>Funny, I can't tell you how many of my friends have had a burning desire
>to wash their kitchen floor the night before they went into labor! 
>Usually they got talked out of actually doing it, so I wouldn't
>attribute the start of labor to floor-washing, but it does make me
>wonder if there's something about imminent delivery that brings on a
>cleaning frenzy.

Carol had a C-section, which we decided on the day before it happened.
I don't remember her wanting to clean the floor that night; she 
couldn't have because she was supposed to rest. But _after_ the delivery, 
she insisted on _my_ scrubbing the kitchen floor before she came home. She 
said she wouldn't bring Andrew home if I didn't! After all, he might 
refuse to stay in a dirty house! So perhaps it's not just imminent 
delivery, but also recent delivery.
--
Harry A. Ide                      |  `It's better to play dice with  
(Dad to Andrew, born 4.iv.1991)   |  children than to play politics 
                                  |  with you.' (Heraclitus)
From: mpaul@unl.edu (marxhausen paul)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Fertility and frequency
Date: 11 Jan 1993 17:16:08 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu
Keywords: Sperm

srheault@alfred.carleton.ca (Steven Rheault Kihara) writes:

>To put a fine point on it, how long does it take for sperm to build up
>after they are released? Should we wait 24 hours? 48 hours? Are there
>enough sperm to try again the same day?

My recollection on this subject is that daily or more frequent sex results
in a reduction of sperm count; your body can't quite catch up.  If I recall
rightly, levels are recovered fully with a 48 hour spacing.  My source
(now forgotten) said it's not uncommon for folks trying to maximize their
fertility opportunities to work against their purposes by too-frequent
sex.
 
--
paul marxhausen .... ....... ............. ............ ............ .......... 
 .. . .  . . . university of nebraska - lincoln .  . . .. . .  .. . . . . . . .
 .     .    .  .   .     .   .  .    .   .  .   .    .   .  grace .   .    .  . 
   .         .       .      .        .        .      .        .   happens .     
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mkrupit@vulture.verity.com (Mike Krupit)
Subject: Re: Parents Magazine confuses on circumcision
Reply-To: mkrupit@vulture.verity.com (Mike Krupit)
Organization: Verity, Inc.  1550 Plymouth Ave, Mt. View, CA 94043
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 16:38:09 GMT
Keywords: circ

As a practicing Conservative Jew and father of a 7 week old son,
I have been silently following the misc.kid's circumcision debate.

I'll keep my two cents out of this, but did want to let you know
that I found your opening remark quite anti-Semitic and I'm sure 
that lots of Jews who read it will be offended as well.  I beleive
that you owe an apology (or an explanation) to the world.

>  Although PARENTS magazine is in general a "party line"
> Yuppie(Jewish) magazine,they could have done parents a better service
> in their January issue in an article authored by two women,Kathrine
> Karlsrud,MD and Dodi Shultz.
  (stuff deleted)
> --
>            ******** Gary E. Davis***** WQ1F *****

BTW, I didn't think that the Parent's article was very good and I
did disagree with many of their secular points.
From: millerj@belize.crd.ge.com (Julia K. Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: A few Questions
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:51:56 GMT
Reply-To: belize!millerj@steinmetz.UUCP (Julia K. Miller)
Distribution: na
Organization: GE Corporate Research & Development


	In regards to night clothing versus day clothing, the night time clothes
are all supposed to be treated for fire retartent aren't they? Hopefully, I
won't have a fire, but ...
	I usually change Corey, 7 months, around 7 pm so that I'm sure he's 
awake.  If he falls asleep in his day clothes, I don't wake him up to change
him.  When he was a newborn, he spent most of his time in his gowns and
sleepers so I didn't change him just for night time.
	Personally, I put him in one piece footed sleepers at night.  I just
think they are looser than the overall or two piece outfits.  He tends to
loose his socks during the day so I want his feet to be covered.  He moves
around the crib quite a bit.  I guess it's the same reason I change my
clothes for bed.  I wouldn't sleep well in something tight tho I have done
it when camping, on a plane, etc.
	Now that he's crawling and eating solids, they are a little dirty
anyways.


Julia
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 09:36:10 EST
From: Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Stuck to Mommy-Separation Anxiety

Douglas (15 mos) has always been pretty attached to me, but over the
holidays this tendency really escalated.  I guess a week at Grandma and
Grandpa's was a little too unsettling for him.  The whole time we were there
he screamed if I left his sight, even if he was with daddy.  Now that we
have been home for a week there hasn't been much improvement.  He cries if I
leave the room, even if I talk to him the whole time I'm gone, "Mommy's
coming right back, I'm just going to the kitchen, Here I come..." Other
times he will happily play alone and go off to other rooms, but only if HE
initiates the change.

We have been dealing with general separation anxiety for about 4
months--when does it get better?  My poor husband is beginning to feel that
Doug couldn't care less about Daddy, although when I had to work on Sunday
they spent a happy afternoon together--as long as I wasn't at home.  The
minute I walked in the door it was as if Daddy didn't exist anymore.  I
suppose a lot of this is the disruption of the holidays.  Are there any
tricks to getting through this period?  I hear that at some point kids
"change allegiance" and become only Daddy's--is this the experience of
others?  Right now, I just wish there was some way I could spend 2 minutes
without someone in my lap, clinging to my legs, or crying desperately.

Oh well, guess that's part of being a mom.  As I told Craig last night, in
ten years Doug won't even want to acknowledge me as a relative, I guess I
should savor these moments (yeah, right).

Chris Himes (Mommy, mommy)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: Help with Spanking Alternatives
Organization: NASA/JSC
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:51:56 GMT

>
>This fits in with the thread though it's a new question ...
>
>I was impressed by the answer on dealing with Christmas trees and food
>throwing.  So here's a hypothetical question -- what should you do if
>are taking a shower and the toddler insists on wandering away, out of
>sight?  Do you have to give in and take the shower when another parent
>is there (then what if you're single?) or is there a way of
>enforcing/ensuring that they stay in view?  
>
>
My wife, when I am out of town, closes the door and gets her interested in some
activity that can be done in the bathroom. Needless to say the shower is a
quick one.


*****************************************************************
John R. Cobarruvias, Texas A&M Class of '78, 
NASA Johnson Space Center Houston Tx.
(713)483-9357

"And to think..................I hesitated" (Hellraiser II)
*****************************************************************

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mmeyer@m2.dseg.ti.com (Mark Meyer)
Subject: Re: The Schoo didn't fit
Organization: TI DSEG, Spring Creek, Plano, Tx.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:12:35 GMT

In article <24665@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> smergen@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (Sandra Mergen) writes:
> I also heard on the news that the defense lawyer said that we would be
> surprised to find out some things, and that the Schoo parents would'nt
> be seen as bad as they are seen now.  What on earth could be uncovered
> that would put them in a better light?

	Quite.  I'm hoping for (but not expecting) a speedy start to
the trial.  I'd just LOVE to find out what that defense lawyer was
talking about.  Wouldn't seem as bad?  As Macaulay(sp?) Culkin said,
"I don't think so."

-- 
Mark Meyer                                               | mmeyer@dseg.ti.com |
Texas Instruments, Inc.,  Plano TX                       +--------------------+
Every day, Jerry Junkins is grateful that I don't speak for TI.
         "If only I could forget her."  "Pretend you owe her a couple hundred."
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Water for babies
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:11:14 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

> jschwarz@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jan A. Schwarz) writes:
>I have two little nieces (2 1/2 and 1 year old).  My sister-in-law never gives
>them water.  She never has from the time they were born.  My daughter has a
>friend that just had a baby and she never gives her baby water.  It seems
>that most people we talk to don't give water.  

Jordan (now almost 6 months) wouldn't take water from a bottle when we
tried it.  Usually, however, my husband or his care provider would be
trying to use water to get him to wait another 15-30 minutes until I
got home to nurse him.  I don't think it ever worked.

However, about 3 weeks ago, he decided he wanted to drink from a cup.
(I knew he'd decided this because he reached with both hands for my
cup and brought it to his lips.  So far, all we've given him in the
cup is water, and he drinks it just fine (although lots still comes
out :-)  Since his initial grab was on his first airplane trip (and
fortunately I was drinking water), it also cut down on his screaming
on the trip.


--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu