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From: dtran@lccinc.UUCP (Duc Tran)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.motif
Subject: Errors Drag and Drop examples in Motif 1.2 Proggrammer's Guide
Summary: Drag and Drop, Motif 1.2
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:46:16 GMT
Organization: LCC Inc., Arlington VA


I found out several trivial errors in the source code of the two 
example programs DNDlabel.c and DNDscroll.c in Motif 1.2 Programmer's Guide.
I could not believe it !! These errors are very simple, obvious ones.
It looks like OSF never proof-read and tested this manual that we all
rely on. Could some kind soul from OSF posts an errata for this
manual.

The errors I found are:

1. In pp.15-9 in TransferProc() the book has
	if (*type = COMPOUND_TEXT)

   it should be
	if (*type == COMPOUND_TEXT)

2. In pp.15-10 in HandleDrop() the books has
	if ((DropData->dropAction != XmDROP) ||
	    (DropData->operation != XmDROP_COPY))

	    XtSetArg(.......);
	    n++
        else


   it should be

	if ((DropData->dropAction != XmDROP) ||
	    (DropData->operation != XmDROP_COPY))
	{
	    XtSetArg(.......);
	    n++
	}
        else



Duc Tran
dtran@sti.nasa.gov
From: dbrooks@osf.org
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.motif
Subject: Re: Running Motif application without Motif (licensing question)
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:35:20 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

Ron Baxter wrote:

> 	I need to interpret the OSF/Motif Licence Agreement for
> 	exactly this situation.  We have a Limited Distribtuion
> 	Licence for Motif 1.2.  So the statically linked
> 	application is a "Run Time Copy", and so "No Fee" is
> 	payable for distributing such copies.  However, it does
> 	say "distribution to third parties of Run Time Copies
> 	shall be solely for use on systems that contain a
> 	licensed copy of the Licensed Program (i.e. Motif 1.2) in
> 	object code form."
> 
> 	Often Suns won't have any Motif, so should we not
> 	distribute the software, or should we distribute with a
> 	statement that "it is intended to be run on ...".

If you are selling direct to a third party, you must ensure their machine has a
license.  Sun users can do this by getting binaries from one of the many
vendors that sell Sun binaries.  As far as we are concerned you can, if you
wish, arrange with them to resell their binaries even though you only have
Limited Distribution.

If you just want to throw the runtime onto store shelves, your package must
still say clearly that it must only be run on licensed platforms.

David Brooks
Systems Engineering
Open Software Foundation
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.motif
From: mla@enea.se (Mats L|fstr|m)
Subject: TextField verification.
Uucp-Path: mcvax!kth!sunic!enea.se!mla
Reply-To: mla@enea.se (Mats L|fstr|m)
Organization: Enea Data AB, Sweden
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:25:48 GMT


I`m trying to create an input form with a number of TextFields (and
labels). My customer wants this application to check the strings
written in the fields immidiatly, i.e. when the users traverses from
one TextField to another, the string in the former skould be checked
and the travsersion canceled if an error is found

Somehow, this looks like a not too strange thing to want, does it? I
can't, however, find any way to do it.

Anyonw out there with a sollution?

	mla

email: mla@enea.se
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.motif
From: schultz@a.cs.okstate.edu (SCHULTZ DAVID WAYN)
Subject: uil compiler
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 92 23:07:32 GMT


	I am attempting to compile a file with the uil compiler. It (the
 compiler) claims not to know about the XmNcreateCallback. The only reference
I have on Motif (OSF/Motif Concepts and Programming by Thomas Berlage) refers
to this as a specialty of uil. What gives? Is the local version of uil broke?
Am I doing something wrong?

Offending section of code ( from an article in The C Users Journal )
----------------------------------------------------------

object  textframe : XmScrolledText {
	arguments {
		XmNeditMode = XmMULTI_LINE_EDIT;
		XmNscrollHorizontal = true;
		XmNscrollVertical   = true;
		XmNrows = 20;
		XmNcolumns = 60;
	};
	callbacks {
		XmNcreateCallback = procedure create_text_widget();
	};
};
---------------------------------------------------------

output from uil

			XmNcreateCallback = procedure create_text_widget();
			*
Error: value XmNcreateCallback was never defined
		 line: 133  file: editor.uil

Befuddled
	David Schultz
-- 
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.motif
From: rich@bostech.com (Richard Baughman)
Subject: Keep Icon or Window Always on Top?
Organization: Boston Technology, Inc.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 16:57:09 GMT

Is there a way to specify to X/Motif to *never* cover up an icon or,
alternatively, a window?  We are writing an application in OSF/Motif that
needs an alarm window containing important messages that should never be
covered up.

If this is not feasible, has anyone implemented something like an alarm system
with pseudo-realtime events happening that must be brought to an operator`s
attention without preventing him/her from attending to the underlying problems?

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

-- 
Rich Baughman / Boston Technology / Wakefield, MA
rich@bostech.com
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.motif
From: daniel@moonshine.osf.org (Daniel Dardailler)
Subject: Re: Form Strangeness
Organization: Open Software Foundation, Motif Team
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:11:56 GMT

 
|> 	I have a very strange problem with forms and resizing.
|> I am creating a floating "toolbox" made up as follows:
 
Could you provide a small program illustrating your layout problem ?

(there is a general commentI'd like to make regarding Form and Attachment issues: asking for help without providing bits is not very useful,
as most of the time, the problem comes from the test itself and one's experimented eye can see the bug right away)

daniel@osf.org
From: meeks@osf.org ("W. Scott Meeks")
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.motif
Subject: Re: Drag-and-Drop in Motif
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:32:43 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

I'm not sure what's in O'Reilly v.6, however DND is covered fairly
extensively in the Programmer's Guide and Programmer's Reference from OSF.

Briefly, the toolkit provides widgets and widget classes that provide
resources containing details abut sources and destinations for drags,
functions that applications use to manage the widgets, protocols that
specify how interactions between source and destination clients are to take
place, and functions that manage messages, call callbacks, decide on the
valid operations for a potential drop, and keep the drop site status updated.

An application can allow any widget to be a drag source or initiator by
specifying a translation for BTransfer Press in that widget.  An
application can also register any widget as a drop site.

W. Scott Meeks           
Open Software Foundation 
meeks@osf.org            
(617) 621-7229           
Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.

Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.motif,comp.windows.x.intrinsics,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.windows.x
From: yhkim@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Yong-Hae Kim)
Subject: XPM images on a Widget
Keywords: XPM image
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:43:55 GMT

Dear Experts :

I am trying to port my program written entirely on Xlib to Motif
environment.
Could someone please tell me how I can put XPM image on a drawing widget?
Any sample code will be much appreciated.
Could you mail your response to my address?

Thank you in advance.
yhkim@cayley.uwaterloo.ca
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.motif
From: smanna@ha10.eng.ua.edu ()
Subject: DISPLAYING A VALUE GRAPHICALLY
Originator: smanna@ha10.eng.ua.edu
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Julieline: see if this comes up.
Distribution: USA
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 23:07:22 GMT

Hello Motif GURU !
                Could you tell me how can I display a continuously changing value graphically.  Is it possible through SCALE Widget? How ? Is there any other widget to do the same fore efficiently. Your help will be greatly appreciated. Please respond to   smanna@buster.eng.ua.edu 

THanks.

Manna
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.motif
From: berlage@mike.gmd.de (Thomas Berlage)
Subject: Re: uil compiler
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:41:17 GMT

schultz@a.cs.okstate.edu (SCHULTZ DAVID WAYN) writes:
>	I am attempting to compile a file with the uil compiler. It (the
> compiler) claims not to know about the XmNcreateCallback. The only reference
>I have on Motif (OSF/Motif Concepts and Programming by Thomas Berlage) refers
>to this as a specialty of uil. What gives? Is the local version of uil broke?
>Am I doing something wrong?

Somewhere between versions, this callback was renamed MrmNcreateCallback
(because it is, as you state correctly, an invention of the UIL/Mrm combo).
I am not sure when this renaming took place, though. I have already noted
this for the next reprint.

Thomas Berlage (berlage@gmd.de)
GMD (German National Research Center for Computer Science)
P.O. Box 1316, 5205 Sankt Augustin 1, Germany
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.motif
From: pickerig@eee.bham.ac.uk (Mr. G. Pickering)
Subject: .Xdefault colours
Summary: How can I ensure colours are available?
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 10:23:08 GMT
Organization: The University of Birmingham, England
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Keywords: colour color palette .Xdefaults

I specify some resources in an application resource file, which looks
something like this:

Squeeze*Error.background:               red
Squeeze*Error.foreground:               white
Squeeze*System_Error.background:        red
Squeeze*System_Error.foreground:        white
Squeeze*Warning.background:             orange
Squeeze*Warning.forground:              white
Squeeze*Help_Dialog.background:         lightBlue
Squeeze*Help_Dialog.forground:          black

My problem is that sometimes these don't work. I think it is probably
due to the colours not being in the default palette, so they come out
black.

Is there any way to ensure that these colours are available in the
pallete using only the .Xdefaults file, or do I have to explicitly
install the colours in the application?

Guy

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From: toml@ParcPlace.COM (Tom LaStrange)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.motif
Subject: Re: Drag-and-Drop in Motif
Date: 12 Nov 1992 15:24:44 GMT
Organization: ParcPlace Boulder
Distribution: inet
Reply-To: toml@ParcPlace.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin-gw.solbourne.com

In article <9211091803.AA19612@postman.osf.org>, meeks@osf.org ("W. Scott Meeks") writes:
|> 
|> Motif 1.2 provides a documented API and protocol for drag and drop.  If
|> it's feasible for you, I would highly recommend moving to 1.2.
|> 
|> Let me know if you have any further questions.


OK.  When is OSF going to document the underlying protocol (selection
names, property formats, etc.) for 1.2 drag-and-drop?  It boggles my
mind that none of this stuff is written down.  I've been pounding on
OSF for about 3 months and I can't even get permission to look at the
code to reverse engineer it.  I'm extremely frustrated, my
drag-and-drop code works great with OpenWindows clients but unless
something changes soon, will never work with Motif 1.2 based clients.
Maybe my definition of "Open" is different than OSF's :-(

Sorry for the religion.

--
Tom LaStrange        toml@ParcPlace.COM
From: ksivasam@ha22.eng.ua.edu (Kalidoss Sivasamy)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.motif
Subject: Callback for TextWindow
Date: 11 Nov 1992 14:41:42 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


  Hi folks,

		   Is there any way to retrieve the user input from a 
		   SINGLE-LINE-EDIT TEXT WINDOW?

		   I want to have a suitable callback for that.


   Any suggestions?

   Thanks in adv.

   Kalidoss.
   ksivasam@buster.eng.ua.edu
From: franklin@thans.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: LIMITATIONS OF XV and PIXEL RESOLUTION
Date: 13 Nov 92 13:58:49 GMT
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada


Why is the fantastic utility "XV" by John Bradley limited in resolution by
approxamately 1200*1200 pixels? It's such an impressive utility for
image enhancement and manipulation, but what are the benefits to such
a restriction? Are there are any alteratives I can pursue?
   steve
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From: lee@ceg.uiuc.edu (Chris Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Xtex on hp 700s: font problems
Keywords: Xtex has problems making fonts
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:40:13 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


I'm trying to get Xtex (2.18.5) to work on a HP9000/720 machine.  For
some reason, the fonts just don't seem to be made properly...it does
display the encapsulated postscript figures, but the text looks quite
horrible because of the fonts.

I have the full TeX3.14 distribution installed, and I am using
HPUX 8.07 and HPs C compiler (not the bundled one).

In the config file, I have defined:
     XTEX_FONT_PATH=/admin/tex/lib/xtex
     FontDesc=/admin/tex/lib/fontdesc

When the directory /admin/tex/lib/xtex exists, Xtex exits with the
following error.

     X Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)
       Major opcode of failed request:  51 (X_SetFontPath)
       Value in failed request:  0x5
       Serial number of failed request:  136
       Current serial number in output stream:  187

When the directory does not exist, Xtex goes on and tells me all the 
fonts it's missing, and in the dialogue box gives the messages (1 of many)
     TeXtoXfont cmr10 85 85 1000 sun  /admin/tex/lib/xtex 2>&1
and
     [ exec ] TeXtoXfont cmr10 85 85 1000 sun /admin/tex/lib/xtex 2>&1
     ./TeXtoXfont: xdpyinfo: not found
     1st mftobdf -dpi 85 cmr10
     mf \mode:=sun; mag:=1000/1000; scrollmode; input cmr10 </dev/null
     This is METAFONT, C Version 2.7
     [ LOTSA METAFONT OUTPUT deleted]
     Font metrics written on cmr10.tfm.
     Output written on cmr10.85gf (128 characters, 5156 bytes).
     Transcript written on cmr10.log.
     mftobdf -dpi 85 cmr10
     Mftobdf failed for some reason on cmr10.85.bdf
     Missing cmr10.85 ( -mag 1000 -scaled 1000 cmr10 )

Now, I can't find the tfm and 85gf files ANYWHERE!  Also, the fact that 
mftobdf fails sorta troubles me.  I tried running mftobdf manually, and
even there, no output seems to be written.

Is this (yet) another X fontism that I am not aware of?
Has anyone had similar problems (and hopefully solutions)?

Thanks in advance.
-- 
Chris Lee
University of Illinois Urbana
lee@ceg.uiuc.edu
(217)244-2903
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: marcus@iiasa.ac.at (Marcus SCHNELL)
Subject: SUIT experiences wanted!
Organization: International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:38:40 GMT


I'm interested in talking to anybody out there who has used
the SUIT package to build moderately/very complex user interfaces.

In particular I would like to know about any experiences in building
one's own widgets to be used in SUIT applications.

Any help is appreciated.

Marcus

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From: matt@centerline.com (Matt Landau)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: FLAME, FLAME ON X!!!
Date: 10 Nov 1992 00:56:39 GMT
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.1.32

In <1992Nov9.235741.25166@dsd.es.com> pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz) writes:
>In article <1683@igd.fhg.de>, baumann@igd.fhg.de (Peter Baumann) writes:
>> [ ... ]
>> 
>> Short after that, a colleague of the bad-luck guy occasionally
>> remarked, "Did you know that the X windows server never releases
>> memory space once acquired for image display? Each new image loaded
>> makes the X server address space grow until there's no more available."
>> And added, "This is a well-known bug of X". Well-known. Well...

>Care to tell us in which vendor's X is this a bug? I've certainly
>never heard of it before.

This sounds like a third-hand version of the oft-heard complaint that 
most X11 servers will never release memory *back to the operating system*;
i.e., that once the X server has allocated a huge chunk of memory for, 
say, an image, that memory will never be made available to any other 
application running on the same system.

This is, in fact, generally true, but it has nothing at all to do with
the X server.  It's simply an artifact of the fact that most versions
of *free* don't return memory to the O/S, they simply stick it back on
the free list for subsequent allocation from within the same process.

The X server merely exhibits the same behavior as any other program using
the standard malloc/free storage allocator.  It's true, however, that 
such behavior is much more acceptable in programs that run for a while
and then exit than in programs that run forever, like daemons and window
systems.  But it's not really X11's fault, per se.

Actually, I once saw a malloc package that could be made to return some
memory to the operating system by clever use of sbrk and brk, but I doubt 
that any X11 servers are written using such a technique.  Might be an
interesting experiment for some vendor, though ...
--
 Matt Landau			Waiting for a flash of enlightenment
 matt@centerline.com			  in all this blood and thunder
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: tom@uts.cc.wayne.edu (Thomas Richard Stevenson)
Subject: Re: HELP: can't log in to X
Keywords: help, login
Organization: Wayne State Univ.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:18:57 GMT

josh@updike..sri.com (Josh Schroeter) writes:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

First of all, this isn't a valid Mail address. Not sure what went wrong.

>I am having big problems trying to set up a user's account so he can log in to
>X windows.  He's the only person in his department with an X terminal, and as
>far as I can tell, he's one of two users who get the login failure message.
>I gave him an empty home directory, thinking maybe there was some problem with
>his startup files, but that didn't work.  Yet even users with non-existent home
>directories can log in with no problem (they get put in /).
>I also played around with xauth, thinking that might fix it, but no such luck.

>Can anyone help?  I am going nuts here, burning a lot of time on this.

>Many thanks,
>Josh Schroeter      UNIX System Administrator      Integrated Systems, Inc.
>josh@isi.com

First, are you running xdm? Assuming YES, does the user get as far as a 
Login/Password screen? Also assuming YES, have the user hit F1 (assuming
<again> that that is the Key you set up to override normal X-login). This
should (if everything worked to this point) create a X-term screen on the
x-terminal. 

If you aren't running xdm, how does the user get in, how far do they get
before the failure, and what does the failure look like (error messages, etc.)?
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: Peter_Imants_Buttuls@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca
Subject: Problem with controlling window size
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:30:24 GMT

I put the following question to the MAPLE (a mathematical package 
that supports X under the xmaple command) consulting group and
received no answer:
Why is it that I can control the size, position of the top-level
window in xmaple by putting the following command in my .Xdefaults
file:
Maple*Geometry:500x100-0+0
but when I use the plot command and xmaple
creates a "plotting window", that window's size, position cannot be 
controlled by the above command. I'm using Openwindows 3 on a
Sparcstation 1.
Any suggestions what I should try next. THANKS.
 
Peter Buttuls, University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada 
e-mail:(userpib@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
From: JRowe@cen.ex.ac.uk (J.Rowe)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Building X11R5 on Convex
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:26:19 GMT
Distribution: comp.windows.x
Organization: Computer Unit. - University of Exeter. UK

Has anyone actually managed this trick? When I try make World it
pretty quickly bombs out because Convex's cpp can't concatenate
strings (I'm running ConvexOS 9.1).

I've tried manually massaging a few files, eventually I can build
libX11.a but it doesn't work! Of course, Convex charge extra for their
version of X so I guess that gives them an incentive to stop you being
able to build your own. Convex used to believe in open systems and
compatiblity. Then again, in the UK they used to believe in
technical support too. :-(

Dr. John Rowe
Dept. Physics
Exeter University
U.K.
From: frank@smartstar.com
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: need to capture/replay X-sessions for demos
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:50:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: smartsta.1992Nov11.155046.1
Organization: SmartStar Corporation / Signal Technology

Hi,

I;m looking for a piece of software that will allow me to capture and
replay X-windows sessions for demos. Anyone who has any information
please send mail to:

steve@smartstar.com

thanks in advance..
From: bdenton@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (robert.a.denton)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Beginners X ????
Keywords: windows/stderr,stdout
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:16:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T


Looking for info/sample code that quickly shows how to create
multiple windows where you can setup stdout to be directed
towards one window, stderr to another and specifiy other o/p
to other windows.  

Just getting started in X, and the piles of books. etc.

Thankx:

		Chris Sallstrom
		att!ihlpb!cds
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: naftaly@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer)
Subject: Re: Developing of X-programs without X ?
Reply-To: naftaly@dazixco.ingr.com
Organization: Dazix
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:24:20 GMT


In article <stefans.721514739@bauv106>, stefans@bauv106.bauv.unibw-muenchen.de (Stefan Schwarz) writes:
>agranov@techunix.technion.ac.il (Gennady Agranov) writes:
>
>
>>                       Hello to everybody!
>
>>      I have a little & simple question: I want to develop X-programs
>>   (let's say Xlib-programs) on PC-AT/286 (MS-DOS) (at home). May be
>>   somebody knows any library or another simulation software for this
>>   case. What I mean: I write Xlib-program, link it with my dream and
>>   have program !
>
>Just do it, for free. Look for DJGPP (GNU port to DOS) and the freely
>available X-development kit from Quarterdeck.
>Only to have your programs running under DOS, you have to buy
>DesqView/X.
>Oops, forgot to say, it runs only with 80[34]86.
>
>Stefan
>-- 
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>Laboratory for graphical data processing  W-8014 Neubiberg, FRG
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Where can I find all this stuff?

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