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From: Phil.Powell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Subject: Re: No Grave Concern........fall '92
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:36:00 GMT

In article <10SEP199220273402@zeus.tamu.edu> tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool) writes:
>Good news!!! (if you are a supporter of alternative Christian music)
>
>I have been informed that I once again have a show on the local college
>radio station. It is a two-hour slot this time, instead of the three last
>spring. But that in a way is better...three hours can really begin to drag
>on after a while. The show name is once again "No Grave Concern." I don't
>know if I will offer copies of the show this semester or not. I guess we
>will wait and see how the semester goes and such. Just thought I'd let
>y'all know, for anyone who might be interested.....
>
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Why, Terry, are you hosting? I want one, only if you got some coooool
industrial stuff like Circle of Dust, Arbitrage and Global Wave System
(that's for you, Christian E!)...

Phil

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From: cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Interpretation
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 20:40:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.182409.4370@newshost.unh.edu> ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink) writes:
>>The Word of God leaves a lot of area to personal perogative and interpretation.
>
>...but here is where I disagree.  I do not interpret the Bible.  
I unfortunately have to disagree STRONGLY.

>I read what it says.

In order to read it, you are subject (whether you know it or not) to a
LOT of interpretation.

(1) Translating it from words on the page to ideas in your head.  This
level may be deemed to be slightly facetious; I'd argue that
EVERYTHING that goes into your mind is interpreted.

(2) That Bible wasn't written in the King's English (unlike what some
people have thought!).  In order to get from the Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek
into something that you can read, a LOT of interpretation had to take
place.

None of those languages are really quite like English; Hebrew is less
precise than English, and Greek far MORE precise in terms of the use
of words and grammar.

Maybe YOU aren't doing this interpretation, but you're certainly
depending on the "interpretations" of various Biblical scholars.

The issue of Biblical interpretation is probably one of the most
important questions around today.

-- 
Christopher Browne
cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca
University of Ottawa
Master of System Science Program
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: Amy Grant's "Ask Me"
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:21:27 GMT

In <1992Sep9.193353.11699@gtech.com> caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White) writes:

>In article <1992Sep8.154240.13442@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> alan@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Alan S. Mazer) writes:
>>I think if you look at the lyrics they're rather disjointed.  First she's
>>running to her room and sleeping with the light on (as a grown woman) and then
>At first I thought the lyrics were a bit disjoint, also. I've come to the 
>conclusion, though, that they are focussed more on process than outcome, and,
>therefore, reasonably accurate. They also beg several questions, intentionally,
>I believe, to raise the point that there are no easy answers.

Plus...I mean, let's point out the REAL obvious here...its a SONG!!!
Its not a novel, its not a position paper, its a four minute and ten
second song (or whatever). The medium doesn't allow for a full
documented report on the abuse and recovery of an individual!!

Michael
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Scott Aaron)
Subject: Re: TANGENT (sort of): livin' Godly 'n' all that  (WAS Re: U2's denomination)
Reply-To: aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:59:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.182409.4370@newshost.unh.edu>, ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink) writes:
>>The Word of God leaves a lot of area to personal perogative and interpretation.
>
>....but here is where I disagree.  I do not interpret the Bible.  I read what
>it says.  "For no scripture is subject to vain interpretation."  (probably
>paraphrased, and I don't know the reference, but you get the idea).  

Someone else has already posted how the translating of the Bible requires 
interpretation.  I could do more on the subject, but I won't.

The verse to which you refer (I think) is near the end of the first chapter of
second Peter, where the author says (paraphrased also) that prophecy did not
come from the interpretation of man but from the Spirit of God.  He's talking
about authority of the OT.  Today, many people look around at the trends in the
society or whatever and make predictions based on their observations.  For
example, because of global warming there will be great flooding in a few 
decades.  That is not how OT prophecy came about; the Holy Spirit spoke directly
to the prophets and revealed what He wanted revealed.  Thus, the OT has
authority.

Interpretation of the Bible is required because it is unclear on a great many
things (the concept of the Trinity, for example, is an interpretation).  That
is the joy of studying the Bible, the "unfolding" of God's word (from one of
the Psalms, unfolding is the NASB word).  Paul's theology of salvation is an
interpretation of the OT.  And so on.  The job of the of the Holy Spirit is
to guide us in understanding of the Bible.

I have given no references because I don't have a Bible with me.  If you want,
I can get them at home.

  -- Scott @Brandeis

                           I asked Jesus,
                     "How much do you love me?"
                     "This much," He answered;
                        and He stretched out
                         His arms and died.
From: smith@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Roy Smith jr)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: sarcasm...encouraging..music!
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:27:45 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <Bu0zyC.FA7@vcd.hp.com> robertt@vcd.hp.com (Bob Taylor) writes:
->We need to be careful what we mean by "tearing down" and "building up".
->Affirming a believer in something we believe is wrong is not "building
->up" that believer - it is only reinforcing the wrong.  In the same way,
->letting that believer know that what they are doing appears wrong is
->not necessarily "tearing down" - it is sometimes necessary to
->knock down a faulty wall before it can be built properly.  

very true.  thanks for defining the terms.

->This needs to be done carefully/prayerfully, of course, but I do think
->that sarcasm can be a tool to be used in some circumstances to 
->help point out "areas for improvement" in the walk of another.
->Note that Sarcasm != Tearing Down (!= is means "not equal to" for
->you non-computer geeks).  Sarcasm is using irony, etc. as a tool to make
->a point - tearing down is the act of intentionally "hurting" the
->walk or well being of another.  I believe the verses being quoted
->are talking about "tearing down", not sarcasm.  Jesus wasn't always
->in a syrupy "building up" mode (He wasn't exactly charitable to the
->moneychangers He threw out of the temple), but the things He did He
->did for the purpose of "the ultimate build-up".

	i agree with what you've said, but i tend to think that the
over-whelming majority of sarcasm is done for a laugh at the expense of
another.  what i was saying is that all too often we joke around and use
sarcasm to take jabs at each other (meaning other Christians) and we almost
always don't mean to.  i think that 'joking' remarks have caused more hurt
feelings that we think but we all laugh them off under the name of sarcasm.

	if you want to use sarcasm as a tool to subtly speak the truth in
love, that's fine -- but be careful.  i would be more inclined to just
confront someone without sarcasm.  all, i'm trying to say is that we need
to be encouragers of that which is pleasing to God and discouragers of that
which doesn't please Him.  sometimes the truth hurts.

->Bob Taylor
->HP Vancouver

-jim
northwestern u.
jrsjr@nwu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink)
Subject: Re: U2's denomination
Organization: Turkey Hall
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 21:38:43 GMT

>>So just turn you offensometer way down, and just accept the show for what
>>it is-rock and roll.
>
>As Christians, can we really do that?  Can we say that, "Well most of it
>is ok, so it must be right."  I don't believe that we can. 

I don't believe we can at all.  A friend of mine told me his views on a
similar subject, and they make a lot of sense.  If there's one bad song on
an album, he doesn't bother with any of it.  That one song is still a
representation of the groups' views, and if they aren't in sync with what
we, as Christians, should believe -- throw it out!
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Scott Aaron)
Subject: Re: TANGENT (sort of): livin' Godly 'n' all that  (WAS Re: U2's denomination)
Reply-To: aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:53:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.135009.18862@newshost.unh.edu>, ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink) writes:
>Now if your definition of "interpretation" is different from mine, that's one
>thing.  But otherwise, I suggest you read your quotes first before posting
>them.

Tell you what, I'll read my quotes again and you read my post that they refer
to.  I had asserted that the Holy Spirit's job for believers was to teach the
Scriptures, and the assertion had gone without support.  Since someone had
replied to the post, I gave the support.

As for 

>>"The unfolding of Thy words gives light; it gives understanding to the 
>> simple."
>>   -- Psalm 119:130 (NASB)
>
>How do you translate "unfolding" <==> "interpret" ???  "Unfolding" works merely
>if you read the Scripture, and you learn and discover more and more new things
>as you read.

you admit that simply reading the Scriptures is not enough.  One must draw the
connections with other passages and get deeper intellectual understanding of
the word, followed by the connection to actions.  The combination is called 
interpretation and also the unfolding of God's word.  Simply "reading what it
says" is not enough because one cannot find out what it says without studious
interpretation of what is written.  That's why those without faith cannot 
understand what is written.

  -- Scott @Brandeis

                           I asked Jesus,
                     "How much do you love me?"
                     "This much," He answered;
                        and He stretched out
                         His arms and died.
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink)
Subject: Re: TANGENT:  Interpretation
Organization: Turkey Hall
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 03:11:12 GMT

>: Wisdom to man is FOOLISHNESS to God.  And the Word of God is GOD'S wisdom.
>: So don't even talk to me about becoming a so-called "scholar."
> 
>p.s.  I have no trouble with being called a scholar.  However, I am
>      first of all a Christian.

Ah.  My deepest apologies, then -- the way you phrased it, it sounded like you
used your status as "scholar" as authority higher than the Bible or your
Christianity.  My mistake, however, for leaping before looking hard enough.

Sorry for getting so steamed -- but I see that attitude fairly frequently,
and it's quite sickening.  Glad to hear you value your Christianity more.
God Bless!
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From: rick@jpusa1.chi.il.us (Rick Mills)
Subject: Re: Word cancels Warnke Sales
Organization: JPUSA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:05:11 GMT
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hjerry@a.cs.okstate.edu (HANEL JERRY TODD) writes:
: Woah!! I was gone for the summer. there are no more files in our listings 
: dealing with this subject. Can someone please fill me in on what the heck is 
: going on arond here!! What about Mike? Did he "Revert" back to satanism? I'm confused. please send me messages via e-mail. I don't get around to NEWS to offten.
: Thanks MUCH..\
: 
: Jerry Hanel 
: hjerry@a.cs.okstate.edu
: 
: 
	Call (312) 989-2096 for the issue of Cornerstone dealing with the Mike
Warnke Story (rather than start another discussion here). Also, the upcoming
issue (99) of Cornerstone will include Mike's Open Reply to the article, and
also Tim Landis's Open Letter to Word Records. (Tim is of Creation festival).
	Continue to pray for this serious matter.

-rick

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: moss@mdd.comm.mot.com (Barry Moss)
Subject: Re: Bryan Duncan concert and new album
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:40:36 GMT

In <mmaccorm.29@fox.nstn.ns.ca> mmaccorm@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Mike Mac Cormack) writes:

>I just saw Bryan Duncan at Kingdom Bound '92 and yes, he is very funny.  He 
>and his band performed a couple of songs from his new album (for the first 
>time) and he ended up forgetting some of the lyrics.  He just laughed and 
>said "That's why we keep writing new songs - because I can't remember the 
>old ones!".  His new material sounds really great and I can't wait for the 
>album.

Maybe Bryan needs a little more practice time. :-) The same thing happened at
an event I was promoting about a year and a half ago. We were having a youth 
conference called "Have Yourself Committed" and had booked Byran Duncan
specifically because his music fit in with our theme. Unfortunately, when it
came to concert time Bryan couldn't remember half the words to "Have Yourself
Committed". Considering his fee was about a quarter of our budget, the least he
could have done is read over one of his old album liners during the flight up. :-(

None the less, I'm still a fan of Bryan's and I'm looking forward to picking up
his new album. Does anyone know what the title is and when the release date is?

Barry Moss

-- 
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Motorola: Mobile Data Division, 11411 Number Five Road
Richmond, BC, Canada  V7A 4Z3
Disclaimer: These opinions are my own, not those of Motorola.
From: caa3612@rigel.tamu.edu (The Thinker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Looking for Music...
Date: 16 Sep 1992 01:03:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hey everybody!!

I'm looking for the following music - if you or someone you know has any of
them, give me some EMail and we'll discuss the details...

Charlie Peacock -  Lie Down In the Grass  (any format)
                   Charlie Peacock (any format)
                   Original WCDiaries (tape only)

Also, if anyone has any Vector material besides Simple Experience (I don't
even know if this exists), let me know.

Over The Rhine- Till We Have Faces (any format, cd preferable)
Any other indie stuff you don't want, let me know and I might just take it...

Thanks for your time,
-Sean

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From: tll6551@sigma.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool)
Subject: Re: Intermosh Vol. 4
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Fool's Gold Enterprises
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:04:00 GMT

(The DOK) writes...
>         Hey, I'm not clear on One Bad Pig's status. Are they still around?
>If they're not, I really really miss the fun.

From what I know (and don't take this as current absolute correctness...things
could have changed since what I last heard), One Bad Pig is still "together",
so to speak. They have booked a few gigs for this year. However, Paul Q-Pek
has moved to Nashville to do some stuff there (the rest live in Austin, Texas).
Also, a couple (I don't remember which ones for sure...sorry) of them have young
children now and want to spend time with their families. As far as I know, they
are just sorta letting things go as they go.  My brother is now living in 
Austin and goes to the same church as Philip Owens (uh.....Mission Hills is the
name of it, I believe, for those who want to know), so I guess if anyone is
really interested in what's going on with them I could probably get my brother
to ask him.  

Of course, Phil may have the current news, so I wouldn't have to. :)

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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: smyers@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu (Garfield)
Subject: Music Review
Organization: Radford University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 19:17:03 GMT

 A friend of mine works in a nearby Christian music store, and
ocasionally writes music reviews for the local college paper.  
The following is reprinted (with the author's permision) from
the "College Daze" Vol2., Num.1.


****************************************
THE CHRISTIAN ALTERNATIVE
By Joe McLaughlin
guest reviewer


Deliverence - Stay of Execution

 Most excellent record, sort of like Ziggy Stardust meets Queen meets
Megadeath.  Very different from their first three releases, but to
be expected when produced by Terry Taylor.  They even did a remake
of Daniel Amos' old classic "Horrendous Disk," a three act song that
is quite unusual.  "Ramming Speed" was quite a unique song in that,
judgeing by the title, you'd think it would be your basic thrash and 
smash song, when in actuallity it leans more towards the gothic side.
"From Once Was" is just plain wierd.  The only song that really didn't
fit was the MTV remixed version of "Weapons of our Warfare."  It's 
a good speed metal song, but it just didn't fit the style of the
album, which leaned more towards a gothic art metal stuck in a 
veg-o-matic.  I give this album a 4.53 out of 5.

Circle of Dust -
 A nice flavor and much needed entry into the Christian market, whose 
name derives from the Cycle of man  "from dust I have come, to dust
I shall return"-JOB.  along the lines of ministry, this band, or as most
industrial bands go, this guy, who used to be the drummer for underground
thrash band Immortal, has some heavy duty mosh potential.  He uses 
different touches, such as actual guitars, different vocal effects (he
actually sings on a few of the songs), and great words within the album 
that makes the song different, but yet they flow together.  If you're 
looking for some good rave, by Mortal, but if you're looking for some
good industrial with words that give you a good reason to mosh it up,
"Circle" is highly recommended. 4.11 out of 5.

King's X - Chronicles video
 King's X, by far one of the most needed bands in any market, who
have toured with AC/DC, L.A. Guns, and, if you had the privelege,
played with Living Colour here at Va Tech, is one of a kind, and
so are their videos.  If you are one of those unluky enough to
have never seen a King's X video, this is a definate must. If you've
seen them all on MTV, it's still good to just sit and soak in as 
much of King's X as possible.  The only drawback to this video is
that there are no interviews, just videos.  But still, it's 
awsome music, awsome lyrics, and of course, awsome videos.  What
more could you ask for (except interviews of course).  4.77 out of 5.


**********************************************

Joe McLaughlin can be reached at  A NEW SONG
(703) 552-0835

Joe McLaughlin
c/o A New Song
620 N. Main Street
Suite 102
Blacksburg, VA 24060

or I can redirect any message for him.

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mrayle@eng.clemson.edu (michael rayle)
Subject: Re: What makes music "Christian"?
Reply-To: mrayle@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 15:43:44 GMT


Rich -

Before we go too far on this subject is that what I am suggesting is that
people really search their OWN heart and look closely at their OWN relationship
with God.
 
I understand that my own personal beliefs on the subject of music is NOT some
"new revelation" that I'm trying to tout.  The last thing that I want to do is
alienate some person or group of persons by what music they listen to.
Even Jesus himself "hung out" with the prostitutes and tax-collectors (the BAD
people in those days).  There is room enough in the kingdom for everybody.
My append was a warning from my own experience.  
 
I hope that the original append wasn't taken badly.
 
In Christ's love,
.Mike..

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jpersons@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John C Persons)
Subject: Re: U2's de-nomination
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:06:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.211836.10937@meaddata.com> johnt@meaddata.com (John Townsend) writes:
>
>Who cares about the crowd?  There's more than enough vulgarity, dope smoking,
>alcoholism, total disrespect for any kind of authority, and blasphemy oozing
>from the stage to keep me away.  

Just curious -- what blasphemies have they uttered?

John