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From: curt@ekhadafi.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch 903 2F021 curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com 512-838-2806)
Newsgroups: austin.politics
Subject: Re: harlem schools, and why clinton won't help
Date: 9 Nov 92 05:42:58 GMT
Distribution: austin
Organization: IBM AWD, Austin

In article <1992Nov3.183316.23901@pencom.com> windy@pencom.com writes:
>(Curt Finch/131072)  

>I think the concept of school choice has merit, within the public sector.  
>My biggest concern is that I see it having the potential to further  
>separate the rich from the poor. Does the N.Y. plan address the need for  
>transportation to school. If working class parents wants to put their kid  

I don't know.  They should.  But anything is better than what they have
now right?  It's a step in the right direction.  Let's take that step
in Austin now.

Perhaps you're right in that it may help rich kids 500% and only help
poor kids 100%, thereby further seperating them, if it is mismanaged .
I think that's still a good trade.  I'd rather see everyone helped some
than noone helped any.

>The last comment, from  Curt,  about democrats, I take offense at. Name  
>calling is for people who can't figure out how to communicate effectively  

You're doing exactly what you just accused me of, calling me in essence
a babbler (someone who can't communicate effectively.)



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From: curt@ekhadafi.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch 903 2F021 curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com 512-838-2806)
Newsgroups: austin.politics,tx.politics
Subject: DAY CARE: RISK TO KIDS' INTELLECTUAL, MORAL DEVELOPMENT?
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:14:12 GMT
Distribution: austin
Organization: IBM AWD, Austin



                       =====  FOCUS  =====

*9   DAY CARE:  RISK TO KIDS' INTELLECTUAL, MORAL DEVELOPMENT?
     Some educators say that parents take "enormous risks" when
they leave their children in day-care centers or with nannies all
day (Welsh, WASH. POST).  Children may not be receiving the
"adult attention that seems to be essential for their moral and
intellectual development in a close-packed, complex world,"
writes the POST.
     It is not uncommon for many preschool kids to "spend most of
their days with caretakers who, however kind and caring, barely
speak English," writes the newspaper.   Richard Wright, a Howard
U linguist said he sees middle-class children "coming into school
with language deficiencies that used to be seen only in poor
minority children.  Language is being replaced as a stimulation
for kids by toys, TV, nannies -- often foreign and semi-literate
-- who entertain the kids in play groups."
     The high turnover rate of nannies and other care providers
also affects children.  "This instability can affect both a
child's learning potential and psychological development,"
according to the WASH. POST.  "You can't grow up a trusting
person if the person you depend on is changing every six weeks,"
said Peggy Bairley, who runs an Arlington, Va., child-care
center.
     Bethesda, Md. psychiatrist Lawrence Brain:  "Kids brought up
by a maid or a series of maids are frequently terrors --
outrageous, controlling, manipulative people.  They have been
able to get what they want at any time.  Parents find they have
little control."
     And the less time parents spend with children, "the more
they will learn from TV and their peers, where the values are
consumerism and immediate gratification.  You can learn about
delayed gratification only by seeing it acted out in adults,"
said pastoral counselor Rod Landes (11/9).


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From: curt@ekhadafi.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch 903 2F021 curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com 512-838-2806)
Newsgroups: austin.politics
Subject: We need Term Limits
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:33:17 GMT
Distribution: austin
Organization: IBM AWD, Austin


    Why Having Term Limits for the US Congress is a Good Idea

Government has been distorted by legislative careerism predicated on
constant abuse of the power of the purse.  The allocation of scarce
public resources is determined to a large and growing extent not by
calm deliberation about public needs but by the runaway scramble by
incumbents attending to their career needs by dispensing favors as
different as wool subsidies and 'Masterpiece Theatre'.

For congressmen, the ideal of representation has been replaced with
that of self-serving responsiveness.

With term limits, all this would change.  Without lifetime carreers to
protect and preserve, congressmen would be free to debate and discuss
rather than to just pander to special interest PACs.  Leaders would
lead; budgets would be balanced; institutional respect restored.

Term limits would affirm that being a congressman is a job that anybody
of reasonable intelligence can do, (which it is,) and thus that no
politician is indispensable.  Besides, how much worse could things
get?

The advatanges of incumbency virtually guarantee that congressmen can
serve as long as they like.  Witness recent re-election rates of 95% or
more.

Write or Call your Congressman now and demand that he vote to support
Term Limits.  Feel free to edit and use this letter.  Don't forget that
HE works for YOU.  Don't let him forget it either.

	US Rep. J.J. "Jake" Pickle(D), 
	House of Representatives, 
	Washington DC, 20515
	(202) 225-4865, (512) 482-5921

	US Sen. Phil Gramm(R), 
	US Senate, 
	Washington DC, 20510
	(202) 224-2934, (214) 767-3000

	US Sen. Lloyd Bentsen(D), 
	US Senate, 
	Washington DC, 20510
	(202) 224-5922, (512) 482-5834


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From: curt@ekhadafi.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch 903 2F021 curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com 512-838-2806)
Newsgroups: austin.politics
Subject: computers for preschoolers?
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:42:56 GMT
Distribution: austin
Organization: IBM AWD, Austin
            =====  GOAL ONE:  SCHOOL READINESS  =====

*1   CRAYONS, CLAY AND COMPUTERS:  INNOVATIVE PRESCHOOL EDUCATION
     Computers are as common as crayons and clay for preschoolers
in Ariz.'s Scottsdale Unified School District  (Valdez, ARIZONA
REPUBLIC).  At the Hohokam Elementary school, a federally funded
preschool program is equipped with personal computers and the
latest in software for the preschool set.
     The district was one of 57 "exemplary" preschool programs
cited last spring by the U.S. DoEd.  The department recognized
the district for its emphasis on innovative instruction and
parental involvement.
     Kay Bitter, a Hohokam preschool teacher:  "Computers are
very child-friendly and patient.  They're a powerful tool for
developing creativity.  They put preschoolers at the center, at
the command post, of their learning."   Bitter added that
computers promote socialization skills, as older children help
younger ones develop technical skills.  Computers also are
helpful instructional tools for children who do not speak
English, according to the REPUBLIC.
     Bitter counters criticism by 'technophobics' who question
the appropriateness of computer instruction for 3-year-olds.  "If
you plugged them into just any software, then it would be wrong,"
explained Bitter.  "It's important that the software is
developmentally appropriate, that it reflects the special
qualities of a young child."
     Parents are encouraged to share in their children's computer
literacy by borrowing computers over summer months (11/9).


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From: dewey@vpdbox.austin.ibm.com (Dewey Coffman)
Newsgroups: austin.politics
Subject: Travis County Presidential Results
Date: 4 Nov 92 16:10:52 GMT
Reply-To: dewey@vpdbox.austin.ibm.com
Distribution: austin
Organization: IBM, Austin, TX. US of A.

Travis County
 100% reporting

	Clinton	 130,546	47.29%
	Bush	  88,105	31.91%
	Marrou	   1,222	 0.0044%
	Perot	  56,158	20.34%
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		 276,031
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From: bjv@shasta.tivoli.com (Brian Vetter)
Newsgroups: austin.politics
Subject: Re: harlem schools, and why clinton won't help
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:15:31 GMT
Distribution: austin
Organization: TIVOLI Systems

In article <1992Nov9.054258.17017@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, curt@ekhadafi.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch 903 2F021 curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com 512-838-2806) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov3.183316.23901@pencom.com> windy@pencom.com writes:
|> >(Curt Finch/131072)  
|> 
|> >I think the concept of school choice has merit, within the public sector.  
|> >My biggest concern is that I see it having the potential to further  
|> >separate the rich from the poor. Does the N.Y. plan address the need for  
|> >transportation to school. If working class parents wants to put their kid  
|> 
|> I don't know.  They should.  But anything is better than what they have
|> now right?  It's a step in the right direction.  Let's take that step
|> in Austin now.

Austin already has "magnet" schools like in Harlem.  LBJ is one such school.
Of course, it was established primarily as a lure to get more of the white
students into a northeast Austin school as well as to provide a good
school on the NE side of town.

|> 
|> Perhaps you're right in that it may help rich kids 500% and only help
|> poor kids 100%, thereby further seperating them, if it is mismanaged .

If it isn't mismanaged it can help both.  Applying school choice to private
schools would guarantee separation of the classes.  It would seem that
any plan that would encourage separation could not be anything but "mismanaged".

|> I think that's still a good trade.  I'd rather see everyone helped some
|> than noone helped any.

So there are 10 people on the corner and you split them up according
to income (5 poor, 5 ~).  The gov't has a $1000 burning in its pocket for
education. Instead of giving each a $100 dollars, you would give the 5 poor
people $35 dollars each and the other 5 $165 each.  You've helped both,
but is it really fair?  Frankly, I want my tax dollars spent wisely and
distributed fairly.

|> 
|> >The last comment, from  Curt,  about democrats, I take offense at. Name  
|> >calling is for people who can't figure out how to communicate effectively  
|> 
|> You're doing exactly what you just accused me of, calling me in essence
|> a babbler (someone who can't communicate effectively.)
|> 

Actually, this thread started because Curt was grasping for anything that
could prop up G. Bush before election day.  His argument that Bill Clinton
"won't help" was off-base and he provided nothing to backup his statement.
So maybe he really is "communication-deficient" even if his modem works
overtime.

The whole point here is moot (at least for the next 4 years).  Bill Clinton
has said he supports school choice for public schools (meaning private schools
don't get federal funding).  The only question is how or if Clinton will
encourage public school systems to provide more choices.

Brian Vetter
bjv@tivoli.com
Newsgroups: austin.talk
From: reaper@wixer.cactus.org (Keath Milligan)
Subject: Re: speed traps on 2222
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Distribution: austin
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 21:04:33 GMT

In article <PETONIC.92Nov4171540@daisy.hal.com> petonic@hal.com (Michael A. Petonic) writes:
>In article <2775@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> joe@woody.mpd.tandem.com (Joe Senner) writes:
>>]	He says that when he sees someone speeding where they shouldn't
>>]	be(ie dangerous sections of the road), he'll flash his lights at
>>
>>there's no such thing as a "dangerous section of road". there is such
>>a thing as someone driving beyond their abilities. someone driving
>>along daydreaming about something else, not paying attention to the 
>>road, other vehicles, etc, etc. the construction that's straightening
>>out 2222 and other roads is the most assinine thing I've ever seen in
>>my entire life. rather than educate and train drivers, we simply run
>>around trying to treat the symptoms of ignorance and stupidity, at the
>>expense of everyone else. the current system of written and driving
>>tests given here are worthless, designed to put a license in the hands
>>of even the minimally capable person in the hopes they'll improve over
>>time. I have no doubts that your average chimpanzee could get a license
>>in the US, which is basically what most of the drivers are.
>
>I disagree with your first point (but agree with your last point, at
>least as it relates to Texas standards).
>
>If a road turns left and the camber goes right, it's dangerous.
>
>If you have a blind intersection like the City Park road used to be
>(without a stop), it's dangerous.
>
>Joe, you aren't going to change any driver's behaviours, so the best
>that we can do is to set some reasonable limits that people may obey
>or disregard at their own (pocketbook's) discretion.
>
>Hell, drivers around here lack the muscle coordination and cohesive
>thought necessary to use turn signals, how do you expect them to
>manage a tight, hairpin turn at 50 MPH???
>
>-pet-

Y'know, I sure hope people who think 2222 is a dangerous road stay out
of East Tennessee and pretty much any where else in the Smokeys.  You
people don't know what curves are.

The problem on 2222 is, and always has been, people driving TOO FAST.
Whether it's stressed out yuppies in too much of a hurry or young punks
in hot cars (remember the red nitrous-equipped T/A a couple of weeks ago?),
the problem is the DRIVERS not the ROAD.
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From: petrilli@nextover.pe.utexas.edu (Chris Petrilli)
Newsgroups: austin.talk
Subject: Re: SWBT "Two-inch lady" in Austin? (your number back...)
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:55:49 GMT
Reply-To: petrilli@nextover.pe.utexas.edu
Distribution: austin

In article <1992Nov12.234239.633@icus.ICUS.COM> lenny@icus.ICUS.COM (Lenny  
Tropiano) writes:
> 
> I'm looking for the phone prefix/*xx code to get the telephone to repeat
> the telephone number your dialing from.  I have three phone lines in my
> house, and could use it to figure out some wiring problems.  I know they
> have it here in Austin (in New York, I remember dialing 958 and it would
> repeat my phone number).  
> 
> When the phone company was here installing the lines, he was using it all
> the time.  I asked what the number was, since it was preprogrammed as
> a speed-dial into his handset, he replied, "It's secret..."  I'm sure
> someone else knows it here in Austin.  Too bad I didn't have my DTFM 
> decoder hooked to the lines :-(   (BTW: it sounded like three tones,
> possibly a *xx where xx=00-99 type of number).

The number is 380 to repeat your number (at least that works in the Fireside  
exchange, DMS-100 switch).  350 initiates a loop check I believe, though I'm  
not sure exactly how you know if something is wrong.

Hope that helps.

Chris
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From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Newsgroups: austin.talk
Subject: Re: speed traps on 2222
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:16:30 GMT
Distribution: austin
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <PETONIC.92Nov4171540@daisy.hal.com> petonic@hal.com (Michael A. Petonic) writes:
>In article <2775@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> joe@woody.mpd.tandem.com (Joe Senner) writes:
>>there's no such thing as a "dangerous section of road". there is such
>>a thing as someone driving beyond their abilities....
>
>If you have a blind intersection like the City Park road used to be
>(without a stop), it's dangerous.

If you don't treat it as a blind intersection, you're driving beyond your
abilities (probably anyone's abilities).

>Hell, drivers around here lack the muscle coordination and cohesive
>thought necessary to use turn signals, how do you expect them to
>manage a tight, hairpin turn at 50 MPH???

If you try to go around a tight hairpin turn at 50 MPH, you're driving
well beyond your abilities.  It's not the turn that is dangerous, it's
the idiot taking it too fast that's dangerous.

You are just proving Joe's point, whether you know it or not.


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From: stevec@orodruin.tivoli.com (steve the foolhardy)
Newsgroups: austin.talk
Subject: Re: If you dump Bush, dump Congress too, (at least.)
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:17:21 GMT
	<PETONIC.92Nov4170818@daisy.hal.com>
	<1992Nov11.184230.2481@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>
Organization: TIVOLI Systems Inc
In-reply-to: curt@ekhadafi.austin.ibm.com's message of 11 Nov 92 18:42:30 GMT



Curt Finch (curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com) writes:
>> The more money the federal government spends as a percent of GDP, 
>> the more power they have and the more your rights will be usurped.
>> 
>> Those of you who voted for Clinton, who promised to increase spending,
>> take note.  You also voted to give up your rights.  Congratulations.

and the republicans are concerned with protecting our rights?  give me
a break.  i voted for clinton, and i'm not particularly proud of it,
but i am glad that GHWB was voted out of the white house.  i'm not
sure that my rights could stand many more years of republican
"protection."  

i may be in the minority in this country, but i believe in personal
freedom.  not just for white, christian, heterosexual, pro-life,
traditional-family-values supporting, non-politically-incorrect-drug
using people, but for everybody.  the republican party likes to
proclaim itself in favor of individual rights and less government.
however, their actions say quite the opposite.  it seems that they
would be perfectly happy with setting the government up as the sole
arbiter of what an "acceptable" lifestyle is, and anyone who doesn't
meet these standards would forfeit any rights that they might have
had.  in case you hadn't noticed, this is already happening, viz the
War on (some) Drugs.

i recognize that the democrats are just as likely to usurp my personal
freedom as the republicans are.  the left is just as power hungry as
the right.  they'll do it for different reasons, but the end result is
the same.  the democrats will take away personal freedom because it's
"in society's best interest," (socialist) while the republicans will
do it because they know better than you what's "right" (fascist). i
think that it's silly to pretend that we've somehow given up our
rights by electing a democrat, when we've been watching our rights
disappear before our very eyes (all for good reasons, mind you) during
the last twelve years of republican administrations.

steve
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From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II)
Newsgroups: austin.talk
Subject: Re: If you dump Bush, dump Congress too, (at least.)
Date: 5 Nov 92 05:19:48 GMT
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Organization: Los Tejanos SCUBA Club and Beer Joint, Austin, Tejas

In article <PETONIC.92Nov4170818@daisy.hal.com> petonic@hal.com (Michael A. Petonic) writes:
>Driving *is* a privelege, *not* a right.  Else, everyone would be
>able to drive.  *Without* having to take a test...

The use of the roads is a right and is often cited as such when
bicyclists use them.

>If it were a right and regulated in such a manner (people having
>to take tests), can you imagine having to take a test in order to
>excercise your right to free speach (though I sometimes wish
>this were the case :-).

Then I shouldn't have to register to exercise my right to vote.  I
shouldn't have to wait 15 days in California to exercise my right
to keep and bear arms.  And so on.

Admittedly this is a bogus argument, but making people take tests
to insure that they are able to operate a 3,000 motor vehicle in
public is not an undue imposition considering the offsetting risks
to everyone else.  I believe the doctrine is that the state can
restrict any right you have if it can demonstrate a legitimate
interest in doing so.  You can't walk into city council chambers
and scream throughout the entire session (tho it would probably be
just as productive as the current collection of bozos ...), but you
have "free speech."  How can it be?

>True, but with use of federal highway funds, there are de facto ways
>of establishing federal speed limits.  And that's how they got the
>speed limits down to 55MPH in the first place, the bastards.

The Federal Government got the speed limit down with extortion, yes.
It would be nice if we'd remember that more often, but yes.  They
held highway funds hostage - highway funds that they took from us at
gun point in the first place.
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From: curt@ekhadafi.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch 903 2F021 curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com 512-838-2806)
Newsgroups: austin.talk
Subject: Re: If you dump Bush, dump Congress too, (at least.)
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:42:30 GMT
Organization: IBM AWD, Austin


>>Setting speed limits is not a power granted to the federal government.
>>It is a right retained by the states or the people.  You find me the

Once we decided to give the feds the ability to tax us out the ying yang
we gave up this right.

Money is Power.  If the feds start paying for education, they control
our minds.  For roads, our cars.  For health-care, our bodies.
The larger the percentage of these thing they cover, the more control
we give them.

The more money the federal government spends as a percent of GDP, 
the more power they have and the more your rights will be usurped.

Those of you who voted for Clinton, who promised to increase spending,
take note.  You also voted to give up your rights.  Congratulations.


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