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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:32:11 EDT
From:         Anjani Chandra <QAI@NIHCU.BITNET>
Subject:      Movies + a "political spoiler" at the end

Rick & everyone else who responded to my inquiry about
Chinatown,

I think I'll rent it this very weekend and see for myself.
BTW, the post that pushed me over the top in this decision
had to be the one that said simply: "my sister, my daughter,
my sister, ..."

Jan (I think it was you who brought up the misogyny thing in
SWF),
I am sorry to keep bringing up tv movies on a cinema list,
but your SWF comments reminded me of an atrocious (and also
excessive) USA movie with Linda Purl and Heather Locklear
(apologies again).  It had essentially the same plot. Purl
played a loonytune secretary/executive wannabe to Locklear's
career-driven exec.  Purl makes herself over to look like
her boss, kills a few people, and even purloins the boyfriend
who leaves (temporarily) the career-driven Locklear.  This
movie didn't really have any of the homoeroticism you remarked
on in SWF (after all, it WAS on USA cable channel).
Speaking of homoeroticism and roommate movies, how about
Apartment Zero?  Did y'all see that movie?  It was a combo of
Psycho, SWF, and a few other Hitchcock (probably) movies I
acan't recall right now.
Back on the subject of misogyny, I'm of the school (of thought)
that finds Thelma & Louise to be guilty.  What did you think?

--Anjani

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Another possible "political spoiler":

Source:  Children's Defense Fund - CDF Reports (July '92)

(I selected them; CDF has the whole list in alphabetic order)

Child Poverty Rates for Selected States and U.S. Overall:

                  1979     1979 rank     1989      1989 rank
New Hampshire      9.4         2          7.0          1
Mississippi       30.4        51         33.5         51
Wyoming            7.7         1         14.1         21
Ohio              13.2        19         17.6         31
D.C.              27.0        50         25.0         46
New York          19.0        40         18.8         35
Alabama           23.6        49         24.0         43
Iowa              11.5         9         14.0         19
Michigan          13.3        20         18.2         33
West Virginia     18.5        37         25.9         48
Delaware          15.6        32         11.7          8
California        15.2        31         17.8         32
Maryland          12.5        16         10.9          3

U.S. overall      16.0        n/a        17.9         n/a

Child poverty rates rose in 33 of 51 states (+DC) between '79 & '89.
Meanwhile, percapita income (adjusted for inflation) rose in all but
two of the states in which child poverty rates increased.
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:40:26 EST
From:         Bill Felty <BILL.FELTY@UKWANG.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Cage/SWF
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Anita @ Penn State,

Fonda's character's boyfriend in SWF is played by Stephen Weber.  He also
stars on the television show "Wings".

Nicholas Cage's real last name is Coppola.  Isn't his uncle Francis Ford
Coppola?

Do I win anything?

Bill @ Univ. of KY
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:28:00 EDT
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Woody Allen

>Isn't the real shame that it has to be played out in
>front of the world?

Not to mention in front of CINEMA-L.

Does this mean Woody is an asshole?

kjf-
From: UNCPJS@UNC.BITNET (Peter J. Schledorn)
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> In Being There the credits are filled with some of the most hilarious
> outtakes I have ever seen.  Gives one a different perspective on Peter
> Sellers and his personality.  A must see.  Well if I think of any more
> I will let you know.  Hope this message gets through.  Oh one other that
> I haven't seen but was told about is Ferris Buehler's Day Off.  I guess
> he comes back to address the audience after the credits. All for now.

The last Pink Panther movie (Curse of the . . . ?)--the one that was
cobbled together out of outtakes after Sellers' death--ends with some
of the best shots from the earlier films being shown along with the
credits.  It is by far the best part of the film, because you get to
relive some of the real laughs from the earlier movies.  I had forgotten
about this until I read your comment above.  Thanks for reminding me.

There is a Tiny Toons videocassette that my kids watched once that had
quite a few jokes in the closing credits, but I'll be damned if I can
remember a single one.  Nobody's sister got bitten by a moose, that's
for sure . . .

Best,
Peter

> Pam Tyrell                             | Tel: (519) 888-4070
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 11:42:22 -0300
From:         Don McCreary <mccreary@PX4.STFX.CA>
Subject: Re: Movie/video differences: Star Trek VI
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********POSSIBLE SPOILERS*********
There were two scenes in ST VI that I didn't remember being in the movie
(and I saw the cinema release a few times).  The one you mention where
the mask is pulled off the gunman AND a scene just after Kirk and McCoy
are arrested:

After the Klingon and Romulan ambassadors leave the President's office,
the Fleet officials come in with this plan to swoop in, get Kirk and McCoy
and get back out again "with minimal casualties."

I don't remember this -- I think this was the introduction refered to in
the original post because the man presenting was the gunman at the peace
conference.

Don
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:10:00 EST
From:         Gary Graffagnino <ACCGSG@HOFSTRA.BITNET>
Subject: Re: viewer survey/Lethal Weapon 3

In the movie The Cannonball Run they show funny bloopers from the making of the
film.  It's a riot!
                           ______
  Gary Graffagnino         \    /   "What I wouldn't give for a plate of
  accgsg@hofstra.bitnet     \  /     fried green tomatoes like we used to
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                                                  -Mrs. Cleo Threadgoode (FGT)
From: DORIVAL@BRFUEL.BITNET (Dorival)
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Subject: Spider-man
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:28:32 GMT
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Just a question...

   Anybody know about Spider-Man Movie. I saw a few coments here..

                  Please let me know.

      *************************************************************
      * DORIVAL MAGRO JUNIOR  **  "O SONHO DE ONTEM,              *
      *  LONDRINA - PARANA    **    E' A ESPERANCA DE HOJE        *
      *       BRAZIL          **     E A REALIDADE DO AMANHA"     *
      * DORIVAL@BRFUEL.BITNET **                                  *
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:37:31 EDT
From:         jennifer ting <ST403328@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: literary adaption

I didn't realize that DR. STRANGELOVE was an adaptation--glad you posted that.
I think the same kind of thing happened with BLADERUNNER:  novel DO ANDROIDS
DREAM OF ELECTRIC SHEEP --> screenplay BLADERUNNER --> novelization BLADERUNNER
The transformations in narrative along the way make for an interesting
commentary on the encounter between science fiction and contemporary noir.

Which reminds me...Has anyone seen the "director's cut" version of BLADERUNNER?
I've heard rumors that in addition to taking out all the voice-overs but the
last, the last scene (of the "escape" of the lovers) was removed.  Is this
true?

                       jen, wishing there was more coffee
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:03:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Re: Lynch
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I think the author of the orginal novel WILD AT HEART is Barry Giford-
He also wrote a sequel called the story of Sailor and Lula (Or some
variation thereof) - David Lynch read WILD AT HEART in galleys before it
was published and decided immediately to do a film - In fact the publication
of the novel and the release of the film happened on almost the same day.
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:31:10 BST
From:         Kerr Avon <lcc@WIN.ICL.CO.UK>
Subject: re: Addressing the camera
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From: "W.A. (Bill) Yardy" <YARDY@ADMIN.HUMBERC.ON.CA>
>
>Didn't Bruce Willis in, you should pardon the expression, 'Hudson Hawk'
>address the camera.

Nope.

		Liam.     (To the point)
		====-

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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 06:53:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Re: Lynch
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Of course you kept thinking about the WIZARD OF OZ during WILD AT HEART -
David Lynch must of inserted about 2,000 OZ references in his film - In
many ways I think WILD AT HEART is one of the best films of the '80s (I
know it came out in 1990) - It summarizes the over-indulgence of the decade -
Everything about that film was "over the top" - All together an excellent
film -
Interesting to compare the novel to the movie - The dialogue from the film
is almost word for word from the text of the novel, yet the images in the
book in no way give a hint of the images on the screen - A good case of
how a director (who also wrote the script) can be both "faithful" and
and follow the book, but make an entirely diferent film - Bothstand up
nicely, but in this case they don't compliment one another at all.
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:39:50 EDT
From:         "Kenneth R. Jackson" <PUPAPKJ@PACEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Hot Shots
              13 Aug 1992 14:28:45 EDT from <IEAH84S%tjuvm.bitne
              t@TJUVM.TJU.EDU>

On Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:28:45 EDT yischon liaw said:
>From:  Yischon Liaw
>Two parodies come immediately to mind (in addition to the ones already
>mentioned): Gone with the Wind, The Fabulous Baker Boys.
>
>Yischon Liaw (ieah84s@tjuvm.tju.edu)
>Jefferson Medical College
>Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

Yischon

     I remember Fabulous Baker Boys scene but which scene was Gone With The
Wind?
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Date:         Tue, 11 Aug 1992 16:34:00 -0700
From:         PORTIGAL_STEVE@TANDEM.COM
Subject:      Re: viewer survey/Lethal Weapon 3
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Regarding the scenes shown during the credits of Married to the Mob, it seems
to me that they were outtakes. I suspect Demme made a 3 hour movie and they
told him to chop it way down. In fact, the movie really suffered without
the suspected scenes. Example: Pfieffer's relationship with the hairdresser.
They have one key scene where she gets the job, and from then on the
relationship is cemented. How? Why? We just are asked to assume that when
you need a friend in movieland, a good one comes along. Yet these credits show
a conversation between the two, obviously some sort of bonding or something
that might make it easier for us to accept the relationship. I really got the
feeling when watching the credits that I had really just seen a castrated
version of the film.

Additionally, there is a post credits outtake which has the Pfeiffer (I have
no idea how to spell it) and Modine doing a romantic dance outside some
large building. It made a nice ending, really no point but you left
with a more conclusive feeling than otherwise.

Steve Portigal

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Ballasch's comment about what "the director decided to put after the credits"
reminded me of "Family Vacation" and "Married to the Mob".  In the case of
"Family Vacation", a film of which I was not enamored, the ending consisted of
"snapshots" which could have been taken by the cinematic family during their
vacation.  Seeing those shots evoked the same response I get when seeing
personal photos of people I know.  I remember the ending fondly.

In "Married to the Mob", Demme tacked on some shots which never made it into
the final film.  It appeared to me to be alternate takes of scenes which
appeared in the film.  I thought it was just a neat thing to do, but someone
else pointed out that the shots could be viewed as the same scenes but seen
thorugh the eyes/viewpoints of another character.

David   accdak@vaxc.hofstra.edu  // accdak@hofstra
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:38:06 -0500
From:         Currie Thompson <cthompso@CC.GETTYSBURG.EDU>
Subject:      Mexican cinema--Gabriel Figueroa in _Film Comment_

    For those who have expressed an interest in Mexican film, the January-
February 1992 issue of _Film Comment_ has an article (including a
number of stills) about Gabriel Figueroa, who shot films for various
directors--Emilio Fernandez and Roberto Gavaldon of Mexico, Bun~uel when he
worked in Mexico, Ford (_The Fugitive_), and Huston (_Night of the Iguana_).
Currie Thompson
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:11:09 EDT
From:         Gayle Gleason <ST402486@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Movies + a 'political spoiler' at the end

>
>I'm glad you reminded me of Apartment Zero, which I found riveting but indeed
>drew parallels between political violence and homoerotic violence.

 I was going to ask where was the homoerotic violence in Apartment Zero, but
 I just remembered as I hit the reply key.

*********POSSIBLE SPOILERS AHEAD****************


















 I assume you are referring to the American's "method" of obtaining passports?
 I saw this merely as a demonstration that the American used every possible
 way of surviving.  He chose men as his victims simply because he needed
 passports with male names.  I didn't see it as homoerotic violence at all.

--Gayle Gleason
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:09:48 MDT
From:         cmurrell@ACS.UCALGARY.CA
Subject:      Re: Film adaptations and remakes
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              Aug 11, 92 8:33 pm

>
> Someone's post a few weeks ago about multiple endings on disc got me to
> thinking about the system of film adaptations and such, and how
> it compares to literature.  I've been reading around here and there,
> but haven't come up with anything very interesting on the subject.  All
> the things in our library that come up with keyword search of film
> and adaptation seem pretty boring and obvious.
>
> Any hot tips greatly appreciated.  If there's any demand, I could post a
> short biblio of what I come up with.
>
> Rick Francis  C47805NF@WUVMD      |
> Dep't of Comparative Literature,  | "Language is a cognitive prosthesis"
> Box 1107                          |
> Washington University             |              -- Christopher Dewdney
> St. Louis, MO  63130              |
>
Rick - Sorry, I couldn't get mail through to your personal
address.  Have you tried:

Welch, Jeffrey Egan.  Literature and film: an annotated
bibliography, 1900-1977.  Garland Publishing, 1981.

I find it to be a fairly comprehensive listing of material
published on this subject for this time period.

Cindy Murrell
Univ. of Calgary Library
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:35:02 -0400
From:         Tanya Augsburg <ilay9228@EMORYU1.CC.EMORY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Woody's woody, & the cabana
X-cc:         TANYA AUGSBURG <ILAY9228@emoryu1.BITNET>

On Wed, 19 Aug 1992, Joan Crenshaw wrote:

> I just had a horrible thought...Woody Allen plays directly into the family
> values debate at just the perfect time.  Conspiracy?  Call Oliver Stone!
>
> Seriously, I think the saddest part of the whole thing is the estrangement
> between mother and daughter.
>                               Joan Crenshaw


I agree--the daughter's say in all this has been left silent.

	Tanya in Atlanta
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:21:41 +0000
From:         the Freshman Scott Huddle <huddle@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: ratings mystery
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>"`White Men Can't Jump' (20th Century Fox).  [R] for language and sexuality.
>Edited version; content differs from R version rated Jan. 15."

This version must have the missing scenes with
Matt Dillon as the cabana boy.

-scott
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 06:51:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Re: donkey crap
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John La Tourette suggests that some people on this list may
assume that everybody else on this list is liberal. I don't agree
I haven't seen any evidence at all of an overly liberal philosophy
on this list - I have seen a lot of passionate opinions on a wide
range of subjects - That's what I would argue is the common theme -
Generally my experience is that people who are interested in movies
are interested in a lot of things.

John also refered to the Democratic candidate as Slick Willie - DOes
that mean we should refer to the Republican candidates as Mr. Potato
Head and the Dickless Wonder?

I can make no comment about "Hillary's fine credential as a man basher"
except to say that a focus on these serious issues will certainly
guarentee Republican victory.

Speaking of Republican victories did anybody notice that the theme
music for the Republican convention "night of family values" featured
the soundtrack to "La cage au Follies" (or what ever it's called -
I'm refering to that movie which displays a singel sex family so
nicely) - I'm not kidding about this - I noticed it and remarked on
it to my wife and then had my guess confirmed in the paper the next day.
Thank you to Rich Bond and all the other producers of the Republican
COnvention for bringing movie topics back to CINEMA - L.

One more question for John - I wonder if accusing the Clintons of
using a turkey baster makes you .....
well I won't ask that question after all.
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:04:42 EDT
From:         "Orlanda Thompson --- Rm M1310 Bldg. 100 --- Ext. 3005"
              <THOMPSON_O@RSO.DNET.GE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Different Endings
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Speaking of different endings; what about the three different endings for
"Clue".  Which I must admit is one of my favorite movies....

Orlanda
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 09:02:00 EDT
From:         "Mike.Simmons" <20676MES@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Cassette literature, taped books

Rick....
Thanks for the post!  After having read so many posts promoting the use of
Books on Tape  I got to thinking it would be great for an upcoming vacation.
Thanks for the confirmation.
Mike
MSU.
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:38:58 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: We mustn't say Potato Head...

??? on _The Manchurian Candidate_.  My understanding is that TMC was pulled
from release (primarily at Sinatra's instigation) after JFK's assassination.
But it was not only shot but released a full year (Oct. '62) before the fatal
event.
Jeff Clark
James Madison Univ.
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:27:00 +0200
From:         MANUEL FERNANDEZ <txm.txmkb@MEMO.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      Mexican Films

 Hi to all$

 This time I'am going to tell you about another mexican movie
taht I saw this weekend, although I saw it several years ago.
 I'am not very sure who is the producer, on what year the movie
was made (i think it was the 70's), but I can tell U the movie is
very good. It is called Sobrevivientes de los Andes.
 This is a movie where a small plane has several problems and it
crashes on the Andes Mountains. There were a lot of survivors,
but the thing was that they landed on one of the most tall
picks of these mountains. As you can imagine, it was completely
covered with snow, and they didn't have any provitions, water
or food.
 The exciting part of the movie, is watching how these people
are making everything possible to survive.
First they were trying to protect themselves from the cold, using
the clothes of the dead ones, and using part of the plane's
parts for cover.
Second. They were starving. What do U think they were eating.
Yes human flesh from the dead persons. And for water the ice.
Third they were trying to survive all the natural disasters, like
aluds.
 This is only a small summary. If U like movies as the Titanic,
ormovies as Airplanes, U are going to like this movie.

Manuel Feranadez (Arex)
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