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From: am748@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Glenn Lindamood)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Lamborghini Clubs
Date: 23 Aug 92 15:55:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


If anyone is interested, I recently ran across the address of
Lamborghini Club United Kingdom.  For new membership info, 
contact:
     Mike McMahon 
     Lamborghini Club UK
     37 Herschell Road
     Leigh-on-Sea
     Essex, SS9 2NH 
     ENGLAND

They have a monthly newsletter, and have some meetings throughout
the year. 

By the way, does anyone know of a similar organization in the 
U.S.?  I'd be interested in joining!  

Thank you,

      Glenn

-- 
Glenn Lindamood                    am748@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
From: rjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Schneider)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:28:36 GMT
Subject: Re: New MBs
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

hhd0@newshost.gte.com (Horace Dediu) writes:

>The 500E is a specialty item, hand-built by Porsche under M-B supervision.  The
>motor is from Porsche (hmmm, it may be the same as the 928S plant). It's a very
>limited production only for the U.S. (power freak) market.  They did not do a
>shoddy job shoe-horning the motor in there, taking care of all safety and
>handling and balance problems that arose.

	Where did you hear that the motor was from Porsche? Everything
	I've read (Autoweek, etc.) has stated the it's the same 5.0l that
	they use in the 500SL and the 500SEL. To be explicit, everything
	I've read said that the motor is from Mercedes, not Porsche. Can
	you provide a reference? I'll see if I can dig one up to prove
	you wrong. I do recall reading that the 500E is assembled by
	Porsche and that the body has to go on after the engine has been
	placed on the chassis (won't fit the other way around).
 
>They have a 300 Cabriolet in Europe now.  Amazing what you can do with one
>chassis:  300E 2.6, 300E 2.5D, 300E, 400E, 500E, 300E 4MATIC, 300E wagon, 300E
>cabrio, 300CE...  "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

	Actually, that's a 300D, not a 300E 2.5D (although it does come
	with a 2.5l diesel). Although MB is a gotten awfully flexible with
	their naming conventions lately, I've never seen a diesel with an 
	"E" designation anywhere on the car. The closest I've seen MB come 
	to "stealth" badging is to something like "300D  turbo) on the
	back of a 1987 300D (notice they left the word "diesel" off the
	turbo designation, a deviation from the past although any MB fan
	immediately knows that the "D" designation is for diesel and that
	the only turbo's MB has on passenger cars are on diesels)

Bob Schneider     rjs@fc.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: meiboy@tsoft.sf-bay.org (MeiBoy of UCU)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Mustang SVO (Was Re: 86-88 T'bird: Turbo, V6 or V8?)
Date: 16 Aug 92 10:12:36 GMT
Organization: The TeleSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 7958

In article <14005@auspex-gw.auspex.com> tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett) writes:
>In article <1TwcPB4w165w@fringe.rain.com>, dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean 
>Woodward) writes:
>> tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:
>> 
>> [long technical description of SHO and SVO deleted for brevity]
>> > 
>> > p.s. for the last time, it is taurus SHO, mustang SVO.  there was
>> > never a mustang SHO.                                    ^^^^^^^^^
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> 
>> I know.  *sigh*.  Except maybe in the dreams of millions.... 8-)
>> --
>
>A Mustang SHO?  I don't think that this would have been (or is) a good idea.
>In the first place why would you want to substitute a V-6 with less
>horsepower and torque for the existing V-8?  I don't imagine the SHO
>V-6 is any lighter than the V-8.
>
>What I would like to see is an updated and more powerful Mustang SVO,
>maybe with a turbocharged V-6.  That would be worth it I think.
>

Real Mustang enthusiasts would never go for this for turbos tarnish 
its muscle car image
>
>Tom Pickett 
>tpickett@auspex.com
>SHO  GOZE
From: leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence Leong)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 04:43:19 GMT
Subject: Re: How to fill small hole in new muffler?
Organization: HP Singapore
Newsgroups: rec.autos

In rec.autos, mark@nwra.com (Mark) writes:

|Due to rubbing on a driveshaft, my new rear muffler has a tiny hole
|worn through it. The hole is about 1/16" but will undoubtedly get
|bigger over time. Can anyone suggest a product (like Liquid Steel or
|some high-temp epoxy) that will create a lasting bond on the exposed
|bare steel around the hole? [The driveshaft no longer rubs on the
|muffler!]

Try "Gun Gum".

|
|Thanks for any help you can provide.

Welcome.

lawrence

| 
|    )_ _               -------------------------------------------    
|   /  ) ) _        /       Mark Baldwin - mark@sparky.nwra.com
|  /  / / / / /\_  /_/  Northwest Research Associates, Bellevue, WA
| /  / /_(_/_/  (_/ \__ -------------------------------------------  
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From: jimj@cleanplate.EBay.Sun.COM (James D. Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.sport,rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.vw
Subject: Re: reliable cars
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:00:54 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: cleanplate.ebay.sun.com

In article <1992Aug19.161102.2821@morrow.stanford.edu> charlie@leland.Stanford.EDU (Charlie Channel, Jr.) writes:
>
>Ted is correct.  I onced owned a '65 Plymouth Valiant with a slant 6.
>Virtually indestructable.  Witness the day my wife drove the thing
>without water in the radiator, pulled into a gas station, turned off
>the engine and then attempted to put water in the radiator.  The only
>thing that cracked was the cast iron housing that attaches to the
>block that covers the thermostat.  

A friend of mine had a Plymouth wagon with the same
engine, same vintage. It was reliable, but the radiator was leaky.  
More than once we pulled into gas stations on long road trips with the
radiator bone dry.   He'd hose down the engine (tremendous clouds of
steam), wait a minute, fill the radiator, and off we'd go.  Took two
accidents to kill that car, and even then another '60s Plymouth owner avidly 
scooped up the remains from him at a pretty respectable price.
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
From: whs70@dancer.uucp (22501-sohl)
Subject: Re: Radar Detectors and regular people
Reply-To: whs70@dancer.UUCP ()
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 18:44:45 GMT

In article <BsxHGy.LFE@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> msingh@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (The Supreme Commander) writes:
>>How does a radar detector remind you of the speed limit?  When my
>>radar dector goes off, it tells me that there is (probably) a police
>>officer around, and that I should be aware that other cars might start
>>braking for no apparent reason.
>
>This is probably one of the biggest reasons I don't believe in the
>stupid speed limits in the US. We have cars designed to cruise,
>safely, at about 65MPH, yet we have these speed limits far lower. All
>of us know that everyone drives faster than the speed limit, so it's
>not like there are 1 or 2 people who don't. The low speed limits must
>be left over's from the 60's!

Actually, the interstae and many highway limits were 70 or higher
in the '60s and through until 1973/4 when the first oil embargo
took place.  The 55mph limit was the brainchild of a NJ Rep. Howard
(now dead) as a means to conserve oil.  Once implemented he fought long
and hard to keep the 55 limit and it was only in 1987 that a higher
65 limit finally got through congress for some "rural" highways.
Bottom line is the Federal gov't should NOT be in the speed limit
setting business and should totally vacate any speed setting
criteria and/or compliance aspects.  Speed limits should be the
sole province of the individual states.

>But, the worst thing is the fact that everyone slams on the brakes as
>soon as they see a policeman. This causes more accidents and grief
>than anything, all for catching some guy going 60. Worse, they usually
>ignore the fools weaving in and out of traffic at 80!

Cops love low speed limits because it gives them an easy way to
show productivity (I'll avoid the use of "making their quota.")
in terms of tickets issued and revenue generated.  Just sit on the side
of the road and take radar readings, sure is a difficult and challenging
task:-)

Standard Disclaimer- Any opinions, etc. are mine and NOT my employer's.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Morristown, NJ             email via UUCP      bcr!dancer!whs70
201-829-2879 Weekdays      email via Internet  whs70@dancer.cc.bellcore.com
From: ggg@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Gary Goodlund)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:13:38 GMT
Subject: Re: 1981 Mazda 626 / Ford Courier:  Alternative Engines ??
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

Here's something that might help you.  There is a company out here that 
brings used engines over from Japan.  Their name is "Rising Sun Engines."
The phone number is 707-546-8636 and their ad says "Lo miles and 6 month
warrenty".  I've heard a little about them.  Apparently, the deal is that
Japan requires the engines in cars there be replaced at about 40,000 miles
or the car is taxed VERY heavily.  This has encouraged companies to start 
up here that bring these engines to the states and sell them at fairly 
reasonable prices.

I haven't had any occasion to talk to them but maybe they can help you.

Good Luck,
Gary
From: aland@informix.com (Colonel Panic)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Locking Lug Nuts & Broken Key: Suggestions?
Date: 18 Aug 92 03:04:56 GMT
Organization: The Helen Keller Bondurant High Performance Driving School for the Blind

In article <kelley.713762232@cwis> kelley@cwis.unomaha.edu (Sean Kelley) writes:
>If you would rather not cut them off, as suggest before, you can fall
>back onto a thiefs trick...take a socket, about a 3/4 inch I think,
>hammer it onto the keyed lug, and use a socket wrench to turn it
>...

Is the implicit message behind all of these locking lug work-arounds that
they are of little value in deterring wheel theft?  e.g. do they just turn a
two-minute job into a two-minute fifteen-second job?


--
Alan Denney  #  aland@informix.com  #  {pyramid|uunet}!infmx!aland

 "The driver says, 'One more cup of coffee and I'll be all right...'
  'Pop a Bennie, another Bennie'..."             - The Bobs, "Bus Plunge"
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Subject: Re: $758 for an oil change?
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:46:23 GMT

tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett) writes:
>Is there some reason that the thought of paying $750 for an american
>car service any worse than paying $750 for a foreign car?

Yes.  Parts on domestic cars should be significantly cheaper since
they don't have to be shipped as far and there aren't huge import
tariffs on them.

Personally it's the $68/hour labor cost you paid that surprised me.
That's pretty extravagant even for a dealer.

In your previous posting you mentioned that independent mechanics
might screw up your car.  My dealer's mechanic did me the favor of not
screwing on my oil cap tight enough and it eventually vibrated off.
If I hadn't caught it early that could have been an engine-killer
mistake, and that was while doing a simple oil change!

The dealer mechanics usually aren't much better than independents
(sometimes they're worse) -- they just charge more for both the parts
and the labor.

jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: dwjz@bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer)
Subject: Re: windshield problem
Reply-To: dwjz@bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:45:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.155855.6698@nynexst.com>, ziny@nynexst.com (Ziny Flikop) writes:
|> I have Buick and Galant. On each of them about 80,000 miles. I drive them on the same road. On Buick I have an  original windshield, but on Galant I am changing
|>  already fifth windshield now. Can somebody tell my why?
|> 
|> 

Aftermarket windshields are cheap; they are easier to crack.  Also, when
the glass shops install them, they usually don't fit them as well as
the factory would.  My '88 Civic went through 5 windshields in 4 years.
One was due to a crack caused by flying debris, the other 4 times by
stress in the windshield due to improper installation.  

|> 
|> ziny@nynexst.com

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: hdasilva@cs.ulowell.edu (Herbert DaSilva)
Subject: Re: Chrysler New Yorker problems UPDATE
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 01:58:06 GMT

In article <92223.114139WJT101@psuvm.psu.edu> WJT101@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>Hello again,
>I just thought I'd update everyone on the current status of the problems
> with my car.  Well, I talked to the owner of the dealership directly -
> threatened to call the Better Business Bureau, complain to Chrysler's Detroit
> consumer affairs office, talk to my lawyer, etc. etc. etc.  As a result,
> the dealer has agreed to install a brand new transmission at no cost.  They
> said the new transmission will be in by the end of this week.  Let's hope
> so!  Thanks to all who responded to my original post!!!  I'll post again if
> any new developments arise.

  Aaaaarrrgggghhh!!!  This really burns me up.  I was about to post and
  suggest that you try a dealer (Dodge, Eagle, whatever) that folks near you
  have had good luck with.  As usual, it's the not that the problem CAN'T be
  fixed, but that the dealership is unwilling to fix it.  If you still have
  problems, try another dealer, you shouldn't have to threaten to be treated
  decently!!

	Herb "Mopar Maniac" DaSilva

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: pka@engin.umich.edu (Payman Khalili)
Subject: Re: Red vs. amber turn signals
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 19:52:40 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <2300@tymix.Tymnet.COM> pnelson@opus.Tymnet.COM (Phil Nelson) writes:
>In article <1992Aug10.205145.32219@datamark.co.nz> tfarmer@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Farmer) writes:
>+In article <51300033@hpscit.sc.hp.com+ rkarlqu@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Rick Karlquist) writes:
>++Here's a trivia question that's bugged me for a long time:
>++
>++Why do 95% of American cars have red rear turn signals
>++while 95% of foreign cars use amber turn signals?
>+
>+Because no one else in the world is stupid enough to do it? (Excuse
>+me, is my bias showing here?)
>
>People from countries where the government apparently believes drivers can't
>tell the difference between a blinking light and a solid light unless it's a
>different color chould be careful tossing around terms like "stupid". ;-)

I don't like the all red blinking lights (a la Americain).
Well, driving around here in the US, I have often  mistaken a flashing 
turn indicator for an intermittent brake application.  The whole light
setup is difficult to figure out if the driver in front of you turns on
his blinker and brakes a couple of times.  You have to look at the 
lights an extra few seconds to figure out what is going on.  

While with amber blinkers, you would be able to distinguish a turn signal
the instant it comes on.

Just my two cents worth...

-Payman

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ac579@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (G.C.J. Timm)
Subject: Re: Stealth? NOT!
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 23:36:07 GMT


Pardon me Doug, 
But according to the Car Rags, black cars DO have smaller
radar signatures.  Radar is very similar to light, you just
can't see it.;->

Works against IR (Infra-Red) Laser speed guns too!

Jeff
Who loves stealth hardware.
From: cbh@opus.mlb.semi.harris.com (Cherie Slasor)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Honda Civic Bashing continues...
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:03:06 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL

OK.  It seems to be about 50/50 on those pro-Civic and those anti-Civic.
It sounds like Hondas (at least the Civics) are like most other things
you buy - some are made better than others.  Any more comments either
for or against?  Because so far I'm still planning on getting one unless
I get an overwhelming negative response.

Actually, this is kind of interesting.  Are the pro-Civic'ers Democrats
and anti-Civic'ers Republicans?  Just curious.......    :^)



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Phone:    (407) 724-7607	     |	P.O. Box 883, MS #62B-022
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From: pzh@myna.dsto.gov.au (Paul Heuer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Purple tail lights?!? (was Re: Red vs. amber turn signals)
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:52:46 GMT

wales@valeria.cs.ucla.edu (Rich Wales) writes:

>This talk about the color of turn signals reminded me of something very
>strange I've noticed on rare occasion:

>Purple tail lights.

>Well, not exactly.  On closer examination, it seems that occasional cars
>have a little blue dot mounted in the middle of the red tail lights.
>When lit and viewed from a distance, the effect of the tiny bit of blue
>is to make the lights look reddish purple.

You youngster you! In my day these babies were all the go! To drive a cool car
you simply drilled a coupla holes in the taillights and popped in a couple of
'Diamond Dots'. Nah I'm not that old really. It seems to have been a craze yonks
ago to have these Diamond Dots, the hot rodders have continued fitting them over
the years, and now with resto look becoming the 'in thing' the ole' Diamond Dots
are comin' back!

>I've only seen this a few times (but definitely more than once).  I'm
>guessing that it's one of those "cool" :-} off-road-type accessories --
>and that it's illegal for regular highway use.

As for legality ... I'm not prepared to utter a word - the way you yanks sue
I could end up owning a pair of diamond dots and NO car! :-) No I really don't
know.

>=Why= would anyone use something like this??

>Any other comments?

>--
>Rich Wales <wales@CS.UCLA.EDU> // UCLA Computer Science Department
>3531 Boelter Hall // Los Angeles, CA 90024-1596 // +1 (310) 825-5683
From: jxt@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jawahar Tembulkar)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Any opinions on '80 to '85 Volvos ?  Please.
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:07:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA


netters,

Am considering buying a Volvo wagon of the '80 to '85 vintage.
Is there anything specific that one should watch out for ( that
is besides the regular stuff that one would watch out for in any
used car ! ) ?  Do they come with a fold-down third seat ?  Is
the four cyl. preferable to the six cylin. ?  Any opinions on
the turbos ( diesel and gasoline ) ?

Would be a great help.

Thanks a lot.


Jawa



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From: klui@corp.hp.com (Kenneth K.F. Lui)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: DP Motorsports Address
Date: 19 Aug 92 05:19:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: scd.Bt7tG8.CwC
Distribution: na
Organization: Hewlett-Packard

Does anyone know the address for DP Motorsports?  I'd like to get
a catalog of their wheels but can't find an ad containing their
whereabouts--only other companies that sell their products.

Thanks,
Ken
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: dclayton@bmerh801.bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
Subject: Re: Saturn featured on cover of this weeks BUSINESS WEEK
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 21:53:27 GMT

In article <2400038@hpsad.sad.hp.com> eric@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Eric Lucas) writes:
>To an unexpected attack by Don to my previous post, Eric writes:

It wasn't an attack, it was an opinion.

>>Well, lack of power and handling hasn't helped, but I think they'll do OK.
>>They are certainly better than the crapy Sunbirds.
>
>I wouldn't say they lack power and handling.  My SL2 can do 0-60 in ~8 seconds
>and I can take sharp corners with the best of them.  For the price, you really
>can't beat it.  And yes they are better than those crapy Sunbirds.

I test drove the 2 door sports model and (if memory serves me correct),
it was 118hp, putting it well under most other $15,000ca 2 door sports
coups.  I wasn't impressed  with the handling, as opposed to Impulses,
MX-3s, and Integras, all costing the same.  But I agree, the price is
good, at least for the 4 door models.  On the other hand, you get what
you pay for.

>>|> Buy American
>
>>No, buy Canadian, or better yet buy whatever you want.  Obviously our company
>>shouldn't have bought HP computers, they not built in Canada (BTW, we own 4,000+
>>in one site).
>
>Just what exactly is wrong with all those HP computers you bought?  Obviously
>your company bought what it thought was a good product.  I bought my Saturn
>because I think it's one of the best cars for the money, not because it's
>American.  But then I can't deny that I would buy a product to support my
>country.

Why?  Why is the economic welfare of someone you don't know in another
state more important than someone you don't know in another country?
I'm afraid I don't understand the concept of giving someone preferential
treatment just because they happen to have live within a man made line 
drawn on a map.

>
>>Some people just do not understand the international trade concept.  Why do you
>>think the NAFTA was signed?  Why do you think the EEC is forming?  Why do you
>>think you have a job?  God, think about it!  And post only to 'usa' distribution
>>if you're going to wave the flag.
>
>I don't think that 'Buy American' counts as flag waving.  Come on.

What does it count as?  Especially if one doesn't happen to be an
American (I mean U.S. citizen).

>Stop flaming! 

I rarely do, matter in fact I rarely post to rec.autos anymore,
but something about 'Buy XXXX' bumper stickers that irks me.

Don
My brain, my thoughts, my words.
Let's pretend that protestants and catholics are friends.
   Northern Pikes
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: alavigne@bmerh930.bnr.ca (Andrew Lavigne)
Subject: Re: Does anyone like the new Prelude?
Organization: Bell Northern Research
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:11:42


Scott Chapman writes :
>Also, if I remember correctly, Honda is on a 5-6 year product cycle, and I thin\
k
>the older 'lude was introduced in '86-'87 (or something like that?).

The prelude you're talking about (the newer pop-up headlight type) were first
available as 1988 models.

With the exception of some of the very first models, Honda
has always been fairly consistant with a 4 year cycle.  However, they will 
occasionally they will release a model a few months earlier or later.

Civics: 1st generation: 1973(?)
        2nd generation: 1980               (7 years)
        3rd generation: 1984               (5 years)
        4th generation: 1988               (4 years)
        5th generation: 1992               (4 years)

Accords: 1st generation: 1977
         2nd generation: 1982              (5 years)
         2nd generation: 1986              (4 years)
         3rd generation: 1990              (4 years)

Preludes: 1st generation: 1979
          2nd generation: 1983             (4 years)
          2nd generation: 1988             (5 years)
          3rd generation: 1992             (4 years)

Integra: 1st generation: 1987
         2nd generation: 1990              (3 years)

Legend:  1st generation: 1987
         2nd generation: 1991              (4 years)


And from reports, it appears that the new accords and integras will be out in
1993 or 1994, consistant with the 4 year cycle.

Andrew
alavigne@bnr.ca
Newsgroups: rec.autos