From: megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Ok, Ok...
Date: 6 Oct 1992 21:34:36 GMT
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In article <1apkhiINNe9l@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> cynthia@mardi.East.Sun.COM writes:
>In article 92Oct4094255@emmy.nmsu.edu, dsteinbe@nmsu.edu (David Steinberg) writes:
>> hope is true) seemed to be lightheartedly supportive.  I can
>> understand that reacation, kind of like the Code of the ASHers, or

For me it isn't because of any 'code'. I live my own life. There is nothing I
can do about Dave's death, I do regret the loss of a human life, but I also
respect his choice and his right to take his life. Just as I reserve that
right for myself.

I do not know the situation leading to his suicide, and no one can truely know
another's pain. I make an effort to help anyone I can, people did it for me 
and in a way it is my way of repaying them. Still I understand what can lead
a person to decide to take their own life, I've been there.

As for the pain he has caused those around him, that is not unknown to me.
I too have had a friend take his life. And I do not hold it against him at
all. He made the decision to end his pain, and I honor his choice.

For me humor is a way to deal with things. I have a dark sense of humor and
I can laugh at most anything, many tradgedies have a component of the
ridiculous. So even when I'm down I'll still laugh at life, so maintaining
a sense of humor isn't always a sign that someone is dealing ok.

I wished Dave the best if there is anything out there. I don't know, and I
don't know what Dave believed. But he apparently felt that the unknown was a
better option than the known of life.

>> some such thing, but I was wondering if I was the only one to be
>> bothered by it.  I'm having trouble making my thoughts clear, so I had

Oh, it certainly did bother me. Whenever anyone dies it bothers me, but not
especially so because it wasa suicide.

>> -David "ZZYZX" Steinberg

Life's an adventure....

>someone else had been so lonely and depressed that they reached that point,
>a point I and others out there have faced in our own individual ways, it scare
>me to remember how close I really was, so terrifyingly close that it will alwa

That I agree with. Whenever I see something like this, talk to somone about
suicide, help others out, etc, I remember what it was like to be so close to 
it myself. What was the difference? Why did he do it and I didn't? Just how
close was I? 

I know it is a self-centered reaction, but I think everyone is self-centered
in some way. 

>that now Conibear is where he wants to be.  It is a fine line that separates 
>the courage to take that so very final step versus the courage to stick out
>this existence just a little longer, neither is a simple or easy choice.

Indeed, it is one of the most complex decisions one can make. It doesn't
help that many times you are faced with it while emotionally stressed. It is
a very personal decision. What can you live with, is it worth going on? Who
will you hurt? Do you care? So many angles.

I can't say I'm totally happy that I didn't go through with it. I've had some
good times, and some bad times, but if I was dead I wouldn't have had either
and I wouldn't miss them. I just make the best of today...

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