From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: FOCA: And I quote.....
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:08:03 GMT
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In <17h7shINN846@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com> regard@sdd.hp.com writes:

> In article <1992Aug26.203428.27053@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
> >In <17glukINN3jn@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com> regard@sdd.hp.com writes:
> >> In article <nyikos.714846005@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
> >> >>>Jimmy Miller writes:
> >> I don't know what you two are wondering about.  It should be abundantly clear
> >> to both of you that I think your insistance at 'informing' women 'adequately'
> >> is bogus -- merely a ploy to force upon women *your* biases.
> >
> >  I rather thought we'd already settled this in e-mail.  If you can't handle my
> >having an opinion and being willing to express it (in appropriate forums),tough
> >shit.  I do not speak for Peter, but my "ploy" is no ploy.  It's very simple.
> >No "propaganda", no moralizing, nothing left out or glossed over.  All the
> >risks, all the costs, and all the avenues.
> 
> Jimmy, we *have* already been through this in e-mail.  "Should" means a couple
> things.  It can mean in-a-perfect-world-w-y-z, or it can mean something-must-
> be-done.  You say you mean 'in-a-perfect-world-x-y-z', which is fine.  I've
> told you that on this net, *I* am speaking to those who figure should trans-
> lates to something-must-be-done.

  Then I suppose there is little point in my discussing things with you, if
you intend to argue with the rest of the world and not the person who's
addressing you.

> YOU say it isn't a 'ploy'.  Bully.  I say it is.  Bully.  I will be thrilled
> to be wrong.

  You may commence dancing for joy.  Truth is something I happen to hold in
high regard.

> >  Oh that's clear enough.  I never wondered that you had a "it's okay to only 
> >look for what you want to hear" attitude.  I was just amazed at how you could
> >be so smugly proud of it.
> 
> Why?  I mean, aside from the fact that you have no notion of whether or not
> I'm smug or proud, why would smugness or pride make any difference whatsoever?

  More on interpreting attitudes in about 2 paragraphs.

> >You just hate it that I cannot be tarred with the "pro-force" brush you 
> >can use on so many others.  You just hate it that I...
> >You just hate it that I ....
> 
> I don't think you have any real way of knowing what I hate, either.
> 
> The mistake you are making above, Jim, is figuring that my participation on
> this net has much of anything to do with you personally.  It doesn't.  I
> don't know who you are, I don't have any dealings with you personally, and
> I don't have an opinion about you personnally.  I'm talking in a public
> forum about a public issue.                        

  No opinions about me eh?  Do you remember this quote?

"I'm beginning to believe you value the fetus -- ANY fetus -- higher than a
woman -- ANY woman -- and its the just the pesky little problem that you
can't really do anything about it but talk that's bugging the hell out of you."

You should, because it's yours.  You said that to me in an e-mail some time
back.  Now maybe my reply has since made you think differently, but somehow I
have my doubts.  I don't like bringing "private" e-mail into this, but I think
the quote is important enough to justify it.  If you wonder why I can make 
certain conclusions about your feelings, then I suggest you take another moment
and read your own words again.

  If you think you think you know enough about me to decide how I value such
incredibly important things relative to one another, I imagine I can make some
guesses as to what might frustrate you.

  And now that we've all gone to such lengths to say how we are not making any
personal attacks, can we make nice?

semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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