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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:58:38 CST
From:         David E Boyes <dboyes@IS.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: BARS/VM
Comments: To: VMESA-L@uafsysb.uark.edu
              93 6:13 pm

> I would like very much to hear from you(the VM/ESA gurus) about what
> backup software you all use.  We are migrating from MVS/SP to VM/ESA
> soon and interested in finding out a good backup software.  We have
> heard VMBACKUP from Systems Center, and SYBACK from SyncSort, Inc.  Has
> anyone use any of these products (including BARS/VM)?

We use VMBACKUP. It works pretty well, especially if you have the
rest of the VM Center products (VMTAPE, VMSECURE in particular).
I'm not really comfortable with it as a standalone product or if
you have a home-brew tape management system. It's also not all
that fast for disaster recovery -- I've heard horror stories of
>12 hours to restore full packs. If you'd like to talk about our
setup, or arrange to pop down and visit, give us a call.

I've seen demos of SYBACK, and it looked very nice. If it's half
as good as SyncSort, then it's certainly worth considering.

> Dustin Fu
> U of Tx at Arlington
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:00:01 EST
From:         Jeff Savit <JSAVIT@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU>
Subject:      Re: BARS/VM
              25 Jan 1993 14:26:01 EST from <CC100PG@GITVM1.BITNET>

It's very easy.  On our system, a user types 'RESTORE', which is basically
a front-end EXEC around SYBLIST.  This puts the user in a full screen panel,
where he or she can specify the disk (defaults to 191) or directory to
restore or browse.  Everything is PF key driven, and there are help screens.
You browse for the files you want (you can select via a FILELIST-like
display or by entering wildcard-ed file identifiers, and can override the
date range the file was backed up on), and then press a PF-key to go.
Restored files go either to reader, minidisk, or SFS.  We used to have users
call us for all restores; now we tell them to type RESTORE and follow the
instructions.
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:31:21 CST
From:         Galen Tillery <RGTILLER@SAMFORD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: BARS/VM

I was under the impression that IBM was developing a product that was
part of VM/ESA (DVHSM or some crazy acronym like that).

Anyone know about this one?

Galen
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:55:42 +0200
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Subject:      BARS/VM
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Is anyone using BARS/VM (IBM's Backup, Archive, and Retrieval System)?

If so, I would like opinions on its ease of use and reliability.
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:08:02 EST
From:         Jeff Savit <JSAVIT@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU>
Subject:      Re: BARS/VM
              25 Jan 1993 13:31:21 CST from <RGTILLER@SAMFORD.BITNET>

That's DFHSM/VM, which should stand for Data Facility Hierarchical Storage
Manager.  It's a standard part of VM/ESA 1.1 and later, though I'm not sure
how many of its planned functions have shipped yet.  Eventually, I think
their plan is to have a seamless storage environment with both explicit
and implicit migration, recall, archive and backup according to rule sets.
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:10:52 EST
From:         Nick Laflamme <NLAFLAMM@IRISHVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: BARS/VM

At one time, IBM was hinting at incorporating some backup and restore
stuff in DFSMS, but they've backed off from that mumbling since then.

We stopped waiting after two years and brought in SyBack to replace
our IBM labeled VMBackup.  So far, so good.

(Is BARS/VM available in the USA, or is it an EMEA-only product?)

Nick

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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:50:12 +0100
From:         Eric Thomas <ERIC@SEARN.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: BARS/VM
              22 Jan 1993 11:55:42 +0200 from VM/ESA Discussions
              <VMESA-L@UAFSYSB>

And you have to hide between an anonymous userid to ask a technical
question? Is that the beginning of a new trend???

  Eric
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:36:05 -0600
From:         HAMAN.HAMANN@IBMX400-DE.IBMMAIL.CIRCE.FR
Subject:      Re: BARS/VM
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                  An: 15319   --IBMMAIL

*** Antwort zu Notiz von 93/01/22 20:43
From: Lutz Hamann (Systemprogrammer for VM) Tel. 030/3154-4515
Betreff: Re: BARS/VM

 Dear networkers,

some weeks ago I had to compare VMBACKUP (Systems Center) and BARS/VM (IBM).
VMBACKUP seems to me the better product (not only because its cheaper than
BARS/VM) especialy if you want to save your data on tapes or cartridges.
Here are some differences I was told:


        VMBackup                   !                BARS/VM
-----------------------------------!-----------------------------------
                                   !
 only 1 service-machine            ! at least 4 service-machines
                                   !
 communication via IUCV            ! communication via VMCF (older method)
                                   !
 saves data corresponding to the   ! saves data corresponding to a specified
 online-directory of CP            ! directory-file on a minidisk
                                   !
 uses more than 1 tape-drive at a  ! uses only 1 tape-drive
 moment (so called streaming)      !
                                   !
 uses less work-space on DASD (not ! uses more work-space on DASD (depends
 depends on file-size)             ! on file-size)
                                   !
 twin-copies possible (with read-  ! twin copies impossible
 check)                            !
                                   !
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

 That's my point of view. Hope this helps.


 Have a nice day and

                         ciao  Lutz
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From: TCSMAINT@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU (Tim Stoodt)
Subject: When forced to ESA capable box?
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:44:32 GMT

Hi,
    A couple weeks ago I told someone we might be able to
extend the life of VM on our 4381 R24 if we ran 370 feature.
We are currently running VM/XA 2.1.  Today I found the chart
below that tells me that ain't so.  Are these dates correct?
Does this essentially mean that after 6/94 VM will only run
on ESA capable boxes? Thanks much. T.S.
 
      RELEASE                     WITHDRAWN             SERVICE
                                  FROM MKTG          DISCONTINUED
      VM/IS 5                       12/91                12/93
      VM/SP 5                       12/91                12/93
      VM/HPO 5                      12/91                12/93
      VM/IS 6                       12/91                12/93
      VM/SP 6                       12/91                 6/94
      VM/HPO 6                      12/91                12/93
      VM/XA 2.1                      3/92                 6/94
      VM/ESA 1.0 (ESA feat)           --                   --
      VM/ESA 1.0 (370 feat)         12/91                12/93
      VM/ESA 1.1                    12/92                  --
      VM/ESA 1.2                      --                   --
 
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:17:04 EST
From:         Jeff Savit <JSAVIT@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU>
Subject:      Re: BARS/VM

We use SYBACK at Merrill Lynch, both for our normal backups and restores
and for disaster recovery.  We converted from VMBACKUP several years ago
when we moved the data center, because SYBACK was so much faster (VMBACKUP
may be faster than it was, but I have no figures on it).  By coincidence,
I just ran a disaster recovery test at an alternate site this last weekend,
and we restored a total of 160 3380E and 3390-3 volumes in 6.5 hours!  We are
*very* happy with SYBACK as a backup/restore tools for both daily and
disaster purposes.  We use VMSECURE and VMTAPE, and SYBACK works well with
them.

Jeff
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:14:38 EST
From:         Steve Siperas <siperas@HSI.COM>
Subject:      ASM370 and PL1
Comments: To: ASM370@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU

Hi all

I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with the following.
I would be interested in hearing your experiences.

1) Converting Pl1 programs to ASM370

2) Any products on the market to convert PL1 to ASM370

This is a task that may present itself to some people who know ASM370
but are not familiar with PL1.

thanks

steve

siperas@hsi.com
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:46:14 -0500
From:         Steve Bacher <seb@DRAPER.COM>
Subject:      Re: ASM370 and PL1
Comments: To: ASM370@uga.cc.uga.edu

OK, this is flippant, but somebody has to say it...

Any programs on the market to convert PL/1 to ASM370?

Yes  -  it's called a PL/1 compiler.

(OK, I'll crawl back into the BatchCave now.)

 - seb
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:58:23 -0500
From:         CG2@UKACRL.BITNET
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Date:     Tue, 26 Jan 93 22:50:41 GMT
From:     "CG2" (CG2 at UKACRL) <CG2@UK.AC.RL.IB>
To:       ASM370 at UGA
Subject:  Userid in Interactive CMS


   I am tring to locate the Control block chain that leads to the userid
 in CMS. I am writing a module which is trying to spawn batch jobs and so
 do not wish to have the user input the data to the program. I can't find
 what I'm looking for in the IBM manuals that I have.

 Can anyone tell me ? Thanks in advance,

  Charles Gillan
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