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From: bm927@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dominic Macika)
Subject: Re: First Impressions of Herb's Tape
Reply-To: bm927@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dominic Macika)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 01:42:40 GMT


In a previous article, hekunze@jeeves.waterloo.edu (Herb Kunze) says:

>In article <12364@operator>, oliver@Software.Mitel.COM (Oliver Postlethwaite) writes:
>> Dump Matsumoto/Chigusa hair feud and Bull Nakano & Condor Saito vs. Dump and
>> someone - The video quality of these matches is just too poor to make them
>> watchable. They are very noisy too.
>
>  Unfortunately, the tapes that I mail out are two generations ahead of my
>  personal copies.  So far, that's one "watchable" and one "unwatchable"
>  for these guys.  Sorry about that.  I thought they were watchable on
>  my VCR.  

Make that two unwatchables.  Sorry Herb, the action looked good, but only
what I could make out of it.  I'm afraid it'll be FF next time I sit down to
watch the tape.

Oh, and the Tiger Mask/Dynamite match came through in Black & White on mine.


>
>> Esther Moreno/Manami Toyota vs. Bison Kimura/Aja Kong 
>> This was possibly the best match on the tape and
>> that I've ever seen (although it has competition from some others on the tape)
>
>  I voted this the best match I'd seen in 1991 when I did last year's 
>  achievement awards.  All the women were great, but wasn't Esther just
>  unbelievable?
>

Yup, I think  I'm in love with her and Chigusa (loved the singing)

>> Jushin Riger vs. Naoki Sano series - These are all brilliant matches on there
>> own but I found them too hard to watch all together. I found them to
>> be pretty similar with the same high spots. I mean, it was kind of like
>> Riger had to jump of the 3rd rope out of the ring, he had to use the
>> bow and arrow submission, etc... The 4th match is highlighted by Riger having
>> his mask ripped off (it hangs off his face) and bleeding. It's funny because
>> right before this match I was wondering if Riger had ever (and could) juice.
>
>  I love watching them together!  In the first match, they each get their
>  high spots on the other.  In the second match, they each have a counter
>  for the other's spots.  In the third match, a counter to a counter.  The
>  plot of the feud was great, I thought.  You never really knew how each
>  spot would come out.
> 

I'm on Herb's side here.  I saw the final match, where Riger regains his title
on it's own about a week before I got the tape, and I was much more impressed
wen I saw the entire series.


-- 
"Dark Star" Dominic Macika 		internet:macika@emunix.emich.edu

"Standing on a hill in my mountains of dreams,
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From: s91386kf@sfc.keio.ac.jp (Katsuhiko Fuse)
Subject: Re: PWI Weekly Update 8/3
Organization: Keio University Shonan Fujisawa Campus.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 07:05:35 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.051744.17452@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
bulls@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (debra.s.martis) writes:

 |There are also 2 boxer vs wrestler matches tentatively scheduled in Japan.
 |September 23 in Yokahama between Marvis Frazier, son of Joe, and Tatsumi
 |Fujinami.  And on October 4th at Tokyo between Tommy Morrison & Masa Funaki.

Are these two matches officially announced? If they are, it's a big
news! (Especially I'll be excited about the match between Funaki &
Morrison) Funaki, who had recently fought against Roberto Duran in the
mixed match this May in Tokyo, was not satisfied with the match
because Duran was out of condition. Although he beat Duran with the
submission hold, the fans were not satisfied with the match. The fans
were hoping that Duran would show great boxing moves and thrill them.
Duran couldn't. He was simply "out of condition". After the match,
Duran asked for a rematch. Funaki shouted, "Come again after you get
that belly in shape". Well said !?

Funaki was hoping to have a match with Morrison. And it was told in
the magazines that it's gonna be difficult to have Morrison fight. 
If they are officially announced, it WILL be a big news. It is already
announced that Minoru Suzuki, Funaki's rival, will be fighting against
a Russian wrestler who is competing in the Barcelona Olympics.
However, there must be another major match in order to fill up the
Tokyo Dome. More than 60,000 people are needed if a company looks for
the profit. And the match betweed Funaki and Morrison may fill up the
Dome. 

							Katsuhiko Fuse
						   s91386kf@sfc.keio.ac.jp
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From: wen5@ellis.uchicago.edu (Stan T2 Wen)
Subject: Don Becker!
Reply-To: wen5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:05:34 GMT


Don Becker is back!  Welcome back, Don.


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  _|    ________      "I think it was his eye, cold and blue like a vulture's."
From: funga@ecf.toronto.edu (FUNG Alexander Yok-Wai)
Subject: Re: Miscellaneous Ramblings
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 03:28:15 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.005018.11070@cbfsb.cb.att.com> bulls@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (debra.s.martis) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.155832.1@bcvms.bc.edu> tapelib@bcvms.bc.edu writes:
>
>
>>all the drug problems, steroids included. A friend of mine says he saw a
>>picture of Hogan recently and he's much smaller....steroids perhaps?
>
>A friend of mine said he saw Hogan on the "E" entertainment network
>a few weeks ago and that he was much smaller.  He isnt a huge wrestling
>fan, but he knows how big Hogan was.  In the interview Hogan said he
>is taking some time off to do movies and is off steroids.  
            			      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Pardon me? Hogan publically admitted that he had been on steroids these
past whatever-number of years? I know about that Arsenio appearance, where
he admitted using steroids once "for medical reasons" (yeah, uh huh), but
if I interpret the post correctly, would this mean that Hogan admitting to
be the steroid-bloated wrestler he has been in the WWF these past 8 or 9
years?

Somehow this seems improbable to me..

Alex (funga@ecf.toronto.edu)


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From: df2@elsegundoca.ncr.com (Dave Fields)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Me
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:26:23 GMT

This is definitely my last week at Teradata/NCR, and I'd like you all
to know how much I've enjoyed being associated with you.

If anybody wants to keep in touch, I can be reached at:

  Dave Fields
  4722 Oliva Avenue
  Lakewood, California 90712
  (310) 425-4645

Adios a todos... it's been grand.


Dave Fields                 |  David.Fields@ElSegundoCA.NCR.COM
NCR Large Computer Products |
100 No. Sepulveda Blvd.     |  Phone: (310) 524-6161
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From: jefft@athena.mit.edu (Jeff Tang)
Subject: Re: First Impressions of Herb's Tape
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 00:33:07 GMT


In article <12364@operator> oliver@Software.Mitel.COM (Oliver Postlethwaite) writes:

   Dump Matsumoto/Chigusa hair feud and Bull Nakano & Condor Saito vs. Dump and
   someone - The video quality of these matches is just too poor to make them
   watchable. They are very noisy too.

I was put off at first, too.  I finally got around to watching it, and
found it worth it.  The final match is absolutely intense.  Chigusa's face
is *covered* in blood, and looks like she's really hurting. I really felt
for her.  Incredible heat.  Great monster heel match.


   Esther Moreno/Manami Toyota vs. Bison Kimura/Aja Kong - This is a phenomenal
   match which starts off really fast. The first fall is dominated by high
   flying and speedy moves from the smaller team. I was amazed to see Aja Kong
   (a very large woman) jump out of the ring off of the 3rd rope onto
   everyone standing there. Ouch! The thing that bothers me about the women's
   matches I've seen from Japan is that whenever the action moves outside of the
   ring you can't tell what's going on because there are so many attendants 
   crowding around everyone! This was possibly the best match on the tape and
   that I've ever seen (although it has competition from some others on the tape).

I liked the attendants.  True they tended to interfere with viewing, but
they added some credibility to the whole thing.


   Jushin Riger vs. Naoki Sano series - These are all brilliant matches on there
   own but I found them too hard to watch all together. I found them to
   be pretty similar with the same high spots. I mean, it was kind of like
   Riger had to jump of the 3rd rope out of the ring, he had to use the
   bow and arrow submission, etc... The 4th match is highlighted by Riger having
   his mask ripped off (it hangs off his face) and bleeding. It's funny because
   right before this match I was wondering if Riger had ever (and could) juice.

I liked how every time Sano got knocked out of the ring, the crowd would
give a big pop waiting for Riger to do an over the rope move.  Very
impressive, but it always seemed that the diver got hurt as much as the
intended target.



The rest I haven't gotten around to watching in full.

--
Jeff Tang
jefft@athena.mit.edu
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From: jewell@Data-IO.COM (Cal Jewell)
Subject: Re: WWF results from Detroit
Reply-To: jewell@Data-IO.com
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:38:37 GMT

In article <jfoy.712358898@glia> jfoy@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Jeff Foy) writes:
#In <1992Jul28.192737.4014@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bm927@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dominic Macika) writes:
#
#
#>Sheesh.  Glad I didn't go.  Although 20 minutes of Flair/Savage might
#>have been entertaining.  Are you listening Bill Watts????  Bring WCW
#>to Detroit!!!  We miss good wrestling!!!  (What the hell, bring Riger too :)
#
#Echo that with (ahem) High Energy for the Seattle (NOTE, I said SEATTLE, not
#TACOMA or PORTLAND) area.  We haven't seen a live WCW match since Luger was
#with the Four Horsemen. Ah, but we've been Vince-ified several times in the
#interim.

Ahhhh, you were there too. The highlight of my night was getting to
see/harass Ric Flair in person. What a night.

#
#Comments from a die-hard WCW fan...

You too?

Maybe we should to some tape tradin' or PPV watchin' together.
So far, you are the fourth person to post to r.s.p-w from the Seattle 
area in the last 3.5 years. Now, if I could just find the others
e-mail addresses.

-- 
Cal...                        "For a sport that is more rigged that a late
                               18th century ship-of-the-line, some people
 jewell@Data-IO.COM            take pro-wrestling a little too seriously."
 ...!uunet!pilchuck!jewell       -- David Bartlett (db0s+@andrew.cmu.edu)
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From: tapelib@bcvms.bc.edu
Subject: Re: Miscellaneous Ramblings
Organization: Boston College
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:58:32 GMT

It was printed here in the Boston Herald, that Luger had badly hurt himself in 
a motorcycle accident, and missed the WBF Championships, and would miss future
events for an undetermined amount of time. Also mentioned in recent weeks was
that Kerry von Erich had undergone drug rehab, and the WWF was again going to
push him, due to his popularity. Also, word is that Marty Jennety, is also on
suspension for drug use, and restricted to shows in his home town until he has
finished rehab and suspension. It would appear that Vinnie's taking seriously
all the drug problems, steroids included. A friend of mine says he saw a picture
of Hogan recently and he's much smaller....steroids perhaps? That would explain
his extended absence, i.e. the Deflated Warrior, in that he's taking time to 
rebuild naturally. BTW, has anyone noticed that Mr. Slimjim appears to be, ah, 
re-bulking in the past few weeks?
 
P.S. 
Kid Dynamite was the Bulldog's partner. He was his cousin, and extrememly quick.
He reportedly retired due to neck and knee damages.
                           What a Rush!!
From: prpst2+@pitt.edu (Paul R Perdeus)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Redefining the business (was Re: Weekend Syndies WHIFF and WCW)
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:22:52 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <BrsqJn.C09@watdragon.waterloo.edu> hekunze@jeeves.waterloo.edu (Herb Kunze) writes:
>In article <3487@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, prpst2+@pitt.edu (Paul R Perdeus) writes:
>
>  Read the above paragraph again.  The fans watching that match, or either
>  of the Steiners vs. Gordy & Williams matches, haven't been educated to 
>  respect those moves and this style of wrestling.  It wasn't boring at
>  all IMO.  The crowd noise or lack thereof has only a minor impact on
>  my feeling about a match - it can maybe add or detract a 1/4* from


How can you compare the match between Brad A. and Liger to the Steiners
Vs. Gordy/Williams? It's like night and day.  The Steiner matches were
brutal and very exciting.  The crowd went nuts for both of these matches
if my memory serves me correctly.  I can see why you don't let the crowd
affect you, since you are so into japanese everything.  The crowds over
there are IMO (and with no disrespect intended) strange.  They go nuts
when nothing is happening and are dead silent when the big moves are
going on.  (I do not mean to generalize so much, but the few japanese
matches I have seen have been like this.  I do NOT claim to be an
authority on this subject.)  I guess that's why you and I disagree on
Hogan/Warrior types and their respective matches.  I think the Hogan vs.
Warrior matches was one of the best of all time and it probably wouldn't
make your top 500.  The reason I think that way is partly due to the
excitement of the crowd.  They were so into it, it was incredible.  Oh
well, to each his own I suppose.  Again, no flaming here, just putting
my 2 cents in.  I'm sure we'll speak again Herb....   

:)

					Paul
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From: vincent@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Victor W. Wong)
Subject: Re: Martel/Michaels
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 12:37:34 EDT

They just made an announcement on the syndies that Rick Martel is
meeting Shaun Michaels in SummerSlam, as a result of Martel blaming
Michaels for his loss in a match against Bret Hart.
I do not believe that this is going to mean a heel turn on the part of
the Model (err--FACE term, sorry, this on-line posting isn't very
forgiving).  I'm sure people remember the Prime Time Wrestling match
between Mr. Fuji's Orient Express (Kato and Tanaka) vs. Power and Glory
(Hercules & Paul Roma) managed by then-heel Slick.  A heel-vs.-heel
match, in which both teams wound up disqualified.
Probably the same thing will happen here.  Either a double-disqualifi-
cation, or a Martel loss (Shaun is still getting a major push).

The Bandwidth Mountie
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From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas P. Johnston)
Subject: My Breakfast With Blassie
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 23:48:52 GMT

I was looking through a video guide and noticed a tape named
My Breakfast With Blassie.  The description didn't tell much
about the tape, except that it features Andy Kaufman and 
Classy Freddy Blassie.  Does anyone have further information
about this?

Tom
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Subject: NEW WWF TAG CHAMPS........
From: <N79BC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 22 Jul 1992 13:21:08 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center


Fresh from the wrestling hotline..... The Natural Distasters have won the Belts
......On Monday nite in Boston from Money Inc.....IRS missed with the breifcase
, hit Dibiase and Earthquake covered for the pin!!!
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From: bulls@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (debra.s.martis)
Subject: Re: PWI Weekly Update 8/3
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:34:43 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.180015.16581@ra.oc.com> frazier@elf.etsu.edu (Jeff Frazier) writes:
>Who runs the NAWA and where are they wrestling at in Dallas tonight.   

Sorry I dont know where the shows are and PWI didnt list any of the 
wrestlers on this card.

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From: v070qg5d@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Redefining the business (was Re: Weekend Syndies WHIFF and WCW)
Date: 31 Jul 92 05:46:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <30JUL92192117@acad3.alaska.edu>, fsspr@acad3.alaska.edu writes...
>In article <Brtrr7.8J@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel) writes...
>> 
>>All these big matches like Andre vs. Hogan (arguably the biggest match in 
>>history)                                                         ^^^^^
> 
>By what standard?  Surely it drew the largest crowd and benefitted from
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the largest amount of hype, but it certainly didn't draw the largest
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

   That was what I meant.  I am no expert on Japanese wrestling,  but in
North America there has never never been a match even approaching the 
excitement in the general public and mainstream media that this one drew.  I
don't mean the biggest match among hardcore fans, because I'd bet they were
in the distinct minority at the Silverdome that day, and also watching the
PPV broadcast.  Hell, I can't remember a match that was more talked about in
the mainstream ever, and I've been a hardcore fan for over two decades.  

>gate in history, nor is it the largest money feud in history (probably
                                              ^^^^
>Antonio Inoki vs. Rusher Kimura, the Von Erichs vs. the Freebirds and a
>few others which don't immediately come to mind drew more money than
>anything Titan has ever done, save for perhaps Hogan vs. Paul Orndorff).
> 
>Sean Patrick Ryan

  Notice I said "biggest match" and not "biggest feud".  Why even bring up
"biggest feud"?  Gate receipts are relative.  WM3 could not have been surpassed
by too many other single cards in history, and the gate plus the PPV returns
must have been very impressive.  In any event I meant biggest match in the
mainstream (much like the SuperBowl will interest even non-football fans).
More people showed interest in this match than any other in memory.  Don't
let your "hardcore fan" status get you thinking too much.  This was the 
grandaddy for the mainstream audience, with little doubt.


*************************************************  "Bowling isn't a sport,
Eric M. Chmiel***********************************   it's a disease."
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From: monster@cix.compulink.co.uk (John Nelson)
Subject: Ross Report - 25 July                   
Cc: Monster@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: monster@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 20:05:01 +0000

 Presumably Hogan can work in Japan as "Hulk Hogan" without the permission of
the WWF/Marvel but if WCW carries his bouts they'll either have to work
something out with Vince (unlikely) or bill him as Terry Bollea (or Terry
Hogan?) and blank out any reference to "Hulk Hogan" on the broadcast. The WWF
would probably take legal action if he so much as wore his trademark yellow
wrestling gear. I can't see it happening. It's just WCW teasing.
 It could be done if Hogan was willing to make an effort to portray himself
as "Terry Bollea" on chat shows etc but he won't stab McMahon in the back
like that.

                                                       John.


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From: chrispy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christopher Palacios)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Chrispy WVR : Rowdy Roddy Piper's Greatest Hits
Date: 25 Jul 92 19:27:57 GMT
Reply-To: chrispy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christopher Palacios)
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin
Originator: chrispy@sneezy.cc.utexas.edu


Back when there weren't WWF syndies on every day...
Back when Madison Square Garden was the home of WWF's best events...
Back when Hulk Hogan had hair...

There was a dastardly villain named Rowdy Roddy Piper.  He hosted his own
talk show, the legendary Piper's Pit.

I, being a bit too young to catch the subtleties of Mr. Piper at that time,
rented this video to look back at wrestling's true bad boy.

Included are the full Pit sequences with Andre the Giant, some jobber (I
forget his name), and the infamous Jimmy Snuka coconut pit.

While the Pits do bring back memories, the matches that were caused by Piper's
antics on the Pit are some I wouldn't mind forgetting.  

Plain and simple, this is not a tape to rent for high action wrestling.
If you like to hear Piper ranting and raving for a few minutes, followed by
15 minutes of slow moving, plodding "wrestling", this is good enough for a
rental.

Otherwise, don't waste your money...

GRADE: D-  (If it weren't for the Pits, this would be the first F in
            Chrispy Wrestling Video Review history.)

More reviews to come.  Comments welcome.  Post or e-mail...

Christopher Palacios                  chrispy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu

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               - Wrestlemania 8, 1992
From: dennett@sunshine.Kodak.COM (Charlie Dennett)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Question on recent Slaughter/Mountie matches
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:54:59 GMT
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY

Has anyone seen the recent WWF house show match between the Mountie
(excuse me, Da Mountie)  and Sgt Slaughter?  When they were here
a the beginning of the month the match only lasted 4 minutes.
Of course, Sarge got it with the shock stick, but the match was so 
short and the Sarge took so long to get back to the locker room that
I thought he may have been hurt.  A friend from work (who also got
a couple of almost x rated pictures of Savage pulling down the rear 
of Ric Flair's trunks!) who had a front row seat thought the same thing.
Is this the standard match or is the mark in me showing through?

Thanks,

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