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From: dwm@osf.org (David Mitchell)
Subject: Re: flavors of MA cops
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 01:48:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.203226.21809@kronos.com> jimm@kronos.com (Jim Mushinsky) writes:
>In article <30Dec92170543@miracle.com> jess@miracle.com (Jessica Thornburg) writes:
>>Yes, it's -definitely- a bad idea to follow a cop because he's doing 75!!  He 
>>could easily decide to pull you over if he noticed you.
>>
>This is true since it happened to me.

	I suppose I should have more sense than to post this story, but ...

	I've commuted 150+ miles round trip daily for more years
	that I care to admit to, and routinely drive in the left
	lane with the cruise control set to 75 mph.  I have followed
	cops cruising at 75+ mph many, many times, though from
	a respectful 1/2 mile distance, and only once had any problem.

	The cop pulled over into the breakdown lane, waited for me
	to pass him (now doing 60, since it was clear what was coming)
	and pulled me over.  He started to give me some crap, I politely
	pointed out that he didn't have his lights on, didn't appear to
	be following anybody, and I was just keeping a very safe distance
	behind him and not paying much attention to the absolute speed.
	I got off with a written warning.

	I think this shows that being polite and deferential (not to
	mention being clean-cut, short-haired and driving a sedan) helps
	a lot, 9 times out of 10.  Sure, I fully admit to being foolish,
	pushing my luck, and being a habitual speeder.  My car is registered
	in NH, tickets at that time were a uniform $50, and didn't get
	reflected in my insurance.  Driving a little too fast saved me
	roughly 20 minutes _one_way_ each day.  Yes, I'm aware of what
	this says  about my brains and personality; flames to /dev/null,
	please.

	Of course, I've also been reamed ragged by a 6' 5" state cop
	weighing in at 275+ lbs, and seriously feared for my physical
	well-being after driving blithely through a radar trap.
	The polite and deferential routine doesn't always work.

	(NB: I live in Cambridge now, and hardly ever use my car).

							dave
-- 
    Dave Mitchell	dwm@osf.org	uunet!osf!dwm      (617) 621-7311
    Open Software Foundation,   1 Cambridge Center,  Cambridge, MA  02142
From: msaletni@jade.tufts.edu (Michael J. Saletnik)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Looking for info on a rare (?) book...
Date: 28 Dec 92 21:31:28 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

For Christmas, one of the gifts I received was Richard Bachman's
"Thinner."  This is the original book club hardback, in good
condition.  It contains a photo of Stephen King's neighbor, posing as
Bachman, and the dedication to his 'fake' wife.  This is the real
thing, not any of the "King writing as Bachman" reprints.

What I'm curious about is how much this book is worth.  Any ideas?

				Thanks,
					Michael

--
Michael J. Saletnik, Tufts University E'91 G'93
michael@binkley.ext.tufts.edu msaletni@pearl.tufts.edu
Manager of Computer Resources, Dept. of Civil Engineering
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Public vs. private
Organization: I.E.C.C.
Date: 22 Dec 92 16:21:07 EST (Tue)
From: johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine)

>Does anyone know how the different long-distance phone lines work?  It's
>a similar level of commitment to power lines, yet we have several major
>long-distance carriers.

You will observe that there's only one set of phone wires out on the pole.
That's because local phone service continues to be a monopoly and the
designated carrier for each area has to provide service to all customers
in that area, at pretty much the same rates, even though some of them are
across the street from the exchange and others are 15 miles away over a
mountain.  Within a given area the monoply telcos carry most or all the
calls.  Each of these monopoly areas are called LATAs in phone-speak; in
New England they correspond to area codes, except that 617/508 is one
LATA.  Elsewhere in the country the lines are more complex, e.g. the 609
area in New Jersey is two LATAs, while all of Delaware is in the same LATA
as Philadelphia.  There are about 200 LATAs in all.

Long distance service, on the other hand, is not a monopoly.  There are
designated places, known as Points of Presence or POPs, where long
distance carriers connect to local carriers.  So long as a long distance
carrier has at least one POP in each LATA, it can carry calls anywhere in
the country, using the local monoply telcos at each end.  The major long
distance carriers, AT&T, MCI, Sprint, and a few others, actually go to all
of them, many regional carriers only actually cover a certain region and
hand off traffic to the majors or don't carry calls elsewhere.

So this isn't much of a model for the post office or for the MBTA.
There's lots of competition in bulk cargo carriage, and the post office
already contracts with all sorts of air, rail, and road carriers to do the
bulk hauling.  What they do themselves is the less attractive business of
delivering letters to every address in the country.

The only other carrier which promises to deliver everywhere is UPS, and I
can tell you from experience that UPS does a lousy job of carrying
letters.  A few weeks ago someone who wasn't thinking clearly sent an
envelope full of documents from California via UPS.  It took a week rather
than the two or three days that the mail takes, and UPS charged more, as
well.  The Post Office certainly leaves a lot to be desired, but
privatization is no panacea.

Personally, I think that raising the rates they charge for third class
(i.e., junk) mail would be a good start.

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us, {spdcc|ima|world}!iecc!johnl
From: borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Dave Borden)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:17:25 GMT
Reply-To: borden@m5.harvard.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA

>In article <BZS.92Dec15211150@world.std.com>, bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
>|> 
>|> From: phil@miracle.com (Phil Hill)
>|> >If you have been reading the posts in this newsgroup, you'd see that most (not
>|> >all) of the people here feel that the "blue laws" are out of date, and no
>|> >longer needed.

I don't think they were ever needed.

>|> Doubtless, I am sure this list is well represented with people who
>|> might man liquor stores on Sundays...let us allow the wolves to vote
>|> the fate of the sheep.

Are city and state governments well represented with people who might man
liquor stores on Sundays?  I suspect not.

In my opinion, the blue laws increase unemployment.  There are people out
there who would gladly work Sunday, in order to to be able to work at all.
Do you really think they're better off having every day off, instead?
There are also people who would prefer to work Sunday instead of some other
day of the week, and the blue laws discriminate against them.  Blue laws
sound nice when they're described in terms of protecting the workers, but I
think a lot of workers would rather do without such protection.

   - Dave Borden
     borden@m5.harvard.edu
From: borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Dave Borden)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: Drinking and the MBTA was Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:45:06 GMT
Reply-To: borden@m5.harvard.edu
Distribution: ne
Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA

In article <BZS.92Dec23131029@world.std.com> bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
>
>From: borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Dave Borden)
>>I personally don't object to the subsidization of the T, for the purpose
>>of cutting down on automobile use, because I think that's an important
>>enough goal.  My objection is to also disallowing competing private service.
>
>Well, I don't disagree, but I cannot resist snidely pointing out that
>they do have competing private service: They're called taxis.

You're technically right that taxis do compete with the T, but I consider
them to be a different, albeit related market.  For example, I ride the T
all the T, because I need the transportation to go to the places I go, but
I rarely even consider taking a taxi, because it's too expensive.  I really
meant competing bus lines, that would travel their route and stop along the
way in certain places, just like the T buses do.

>It just might be possible that w/o the subsidy, rights of way, etc
>that taxis with their slightly different service are about all that
>can really succeed anyhow (other than private cars which also compete,
>and limo services to the airport etc.) But yes there's more to this.

Would private bus lines succeed economically?  There's one pretty good way
to find out.  If a private party wants to try, and run the risk of failure,
let him/her give it a shot.  Why not?

>It would be interesting to know what jitneys could do, we do run these
>but only for charitable purposes (elderly, handicapped, school kids.)
>Basically, replace a cab with a van with 8-12 seats but basically
>supply taxi service (door to door), but to multiple destinations.
>
>I think one could generate some reasonable complaints about
>suppressing inexpensive door-to-door services when the T doesn't offer
>this (handicapped, elderly etc., I don't think the few charitable
>services are a good reason to make others illegal.)

I think they should be legal whether or not the T does it.  Maybe they are,
for all I know.

  - Dave Borden
    borden@m5.harvard.edu
From: jpt@telecaster.think.com (James P. Taylor)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: flavors of MA cops: what the hell is the registry police?
Date: 30 Dec 92 15:25:10
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: ne
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NNTP-Posting-Host: telecaster.think.com
In-reply-to: savoia@sw.stratus.com's message of 30 Dec 1992 19:05:13 GMT

In article <1hsrt9INN7tl@transfer.stratus.com> savoia@sw.stratus.com (Rick Savoia) writes:

   > "But really, your Honor, I was assuming that good Officer Donut was travelling
   > at 55mph, and that my speedometer was broken..  after all, his lights were
   > -not- on and I know that the local constabulary always tries to make a good
   > impression.."

   Nobody pulls a cop over.  If you are stupid enough to follow him at his 
   speed, then don't cry injustice if you get a ticket!

Long ago when I took drivers ed in Mass, the state law read that police
vehicles could only exceed the speed limit if they were on "emergency
service".
From: jlacey@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (james.w.lacey)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:03:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <4474@cvbnetPrime.COM> tgross@cvbnet.prime.com (Tom Gross) writes:
>[stuff deleted]
>	I agree with Barry: blue laws are good.  In Germany, at least
>	18 years ago when I was student there (and I doubt things have
>	changed much in this regard), stores were only allowed to be
>	open on Saturday MORNINGS, not at all on Sundays, and then
>	once a MONTH stores could be open Saturday afternoon.  It was
>	a real pain in the butt for consumers, but people survived,
>	and before the latest Anschluss, the german economy seemed
>	pretty healthy.  
>

Those laws were still in effect in Germany as of last year.
It seemed to be the opposite of here:  retail stores had 
strict hours but pubs could be open as late as they wanted
(or so it seemed.)

The problem is that *every* Saturday morning is like the worst
Christmas shopping day.

>	In Massachusetts we had a referendum on this in 1976.
>	I remember how I voted, but I guess I lost. The real problem
>	is NEW HAMPSHIRE.  We really need federal laws to govern this
>	sort of thing...

Or, as some may argue, one of the advantages of having
power given to the states is to allow each group of people
to decide which type of community they want.


-- 
     Jim Lacey  --  my own opinions    
     email:  att!cbnewsl!jlacey  or  jlacey@cbnewsl.cb.att.com
     D'ou venons-nous? Que sommes-nous? Ou allons-nous?
Newsgroups: ne.general,rec.arts.sf.misc
From: phydeaux@guru.med.cornell.edu (Dave Weingart)
Subject: Re: Articles About Internet in Mass Media (Was Internet (Globe article))
Nntp-Posting-User: @cornell.edu
Organization: CUMC
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:10:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.190901.25444@osf.org>, dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks) writes:

|> Of course not.  But I'm sure they will write more often than they do now.
|> Currently people either use the phone or ignore their elders, resulting in
|> a society much worse documented than, say, the Victorians, who often wrote
|> to each other twice a day.  At least we now have the chance of archiving
|> family correspondence.

If in fact people archive anything.  I am a great fan of letter-writing, and when
I get them, I usually toss them after I've read them.  Saving letters is a more
a "cultural" thing (per person) and I suspect that most people won't.

How many of you save your email?


-- 
73 de David Weingart  KB2CWF    In the event I am captured or killed, the
phydeaux@cumc.cornell.edu       Cornell University Medical College and the
phydeaux@guru.med.cornell.edu   Department of Academic Computing will disavow
phydeaux@src4src.linet.org      any knowledge of my opinions.
From: dholland@husc10.harvard.edu (David Holland)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: Articles About Internet in Mass Media (Was Internet (Globe article))
Date: 1 Jan 93 18:49:45 GMT
 s><C04q2p.3vv@jti.com><1992Dec31.190901.25444@osf.org><1992Dec31.201049.3425@mail.cornell.edu><PSHUANG.93Jan1033509@ninja.mit.edu>
Distribution: ne
Organization: Loose at best
In-reply-to: pshuang@athena.mit.edu's message of 1 Jan 93 08:35:17 GMT


In article <PSHUANG.92Jan1033509@ninja.mit.edu> Ping-Shun Huang writes:

 > In article <1992Dec31.201049.3425@mail.cornell.edu> phydeaux@guru.med.cornell.edu (Dave Weingart) writes:
 > 
 >  > How many of you save your email?
 > 
 > I do, since disk space is quite cheap. I blind-carbon-copy myself all my
 > outgoing mail.

Funny. I don't, because disk space isn't cheap. I only save what I need to
refer to later. Of course, the fact that the admins here impose a 500K disk
quota is a contributing factor... but I don't have room on my own computer
either.

--
   - David A. Holland			dholland@husc.harvard.edu

  That all men should live as brothers is the dream of someone who has none.
From: "ken smith" <ken.smith@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: ne?
Date: 21 Dec 92 11:44:16 EST
Reply-To: "ken smith" <ken.smith@channel1.com>
Distribution: ne
Organization: Channel 1 Communications


On 12-20-92 Shaene Steinauer typed the following regarding NE...

>  Newsgroup: ne.general
> Message-ID: <1992Dec13.054641.7494@news.unomaha.edu>
>    Subject: ne...
>
>Since this is ne.general, I thought I'd post a general question.
>
>Shouldn't NE stand for Nebraska, not North East United States?
>

New England

Ken

--- WinQwk 2.0 #0
--
Channel 1 (R)   Cambridge, MA

Newsgroups: ne.general
From: mildram@xylogics.com (Doug Mildram )
Subject: Internet (Globe article, restrictions?..)
Organization: Xylogics, Inc.
Distribution: ne
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 03:38:34 GMT


Internet lovers: There was an informative article in Boston Globe (dec26'92) 
on p.1 !! and p.14 re: Internet     ( "U.S. data highway gathers speed:
                ...Rules of road eyed for computer network") (Charles A. Radin)
Informative especially for the Globe (or any newspaper at all), it painted
the present Internet as the largest Existing Global Network. (more than U.S.!)
It echoed that planners and users hope the govt (as it gets more involved)
will keep/establish equal rights for all forms of traffic except illegal.

Which hints at, but doesn't mention the current Acceptable Use Policy 
     of the NSFnet backbone: (maybe i'm over-generalizing the AUP here:)
Commercial usage is not allowed; research/edu is the only guilt-free usage.
It did mention that the National Science Net (and the FBI :-) were 
"concerned" about the basic unenforcability of actions and access.

True, I (as NEARnet member) can get ~anywhere, but aren't corners emerging 
WITH controlled routing...controlled by per-site (not per-content) setup?
I heard one PIPEX customer regretting not paying extra for NSFnet access.

I'm curious for stories about unexpected walls...most are probably to/from
nes commercial-net customers.   ( p.s. Prodigy,MCImail are EXPECTED walls! )
Sorry to twist subject, but is there an internet-to-mcimail gateway ?  -doug
From: jess@miracle.com (Jessica Thornburg)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: PUBLISHERS CLEARING HOUSE
Date: 28 Dec 92 20:13:09 GMT
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants

Just wondering, does anyone out there know how they determine who gets their
mailings???  I never get anything from them, and I was wondering why.  It's
not important, I'm just really curious.  Thanks

Jessica Thornburg


The BORG are DEAD!!!!
Long live the Federation!!!
Xref: sparky ne.general:3586 alt.dcom.telecom:837
From: rdg@world.std.com (R. Goldstein)
Newsgroups: wstd.general,ne.general,alt.dcom.telecom
Subject: N.E. Tel ringback numbers for "332" and other "loop" questions...
Summary: I am looking for a ringback number so that I can fax myself!
Keywords: ringback fax loop
Date: 26 Dec 92 15:25:52 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

[I realize this is probably a FAQ, so pointers in the right direction would
be appreciated.]

As the subject says, I am looking for any "specialty" numbers which
might be good for New England Telephone in the Newton "332" exchange,
especially the number to ring my own phone.  I would also like to
learn of any loop numbers (one port is OK), since what I am trying to
do is to send a fax from my fax machine to my pc/modem/fax board in
order to use my fax machine as a scanner.  This means that I need a
live pair with talk battery but without the usual reversal of
polarity, etc. (Also, if anyone has any other tricks to accomplish
this, I am all ears!).


Thanks in advance!

rdg@world.std.com














-- 
Richard D. Goldstein
Schiller & Kusmer
Patent Attorneys At Law
(617) 227-5454 Telephone
Newsgroups: ne.general
From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: Internet (Globe article, restrictions?..)
Organization: The World
Distribution: ne
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 05:00:46 GMT


And it's:

	Software Tool & Die

		not

	Software Tool & Dye

but we can get you a great deal on madras'ing all your sheets if you
like (see the article.)

>Sorry to twist subject, but is there an internet-to-mcimail gateway ?  -doug

Try:

	name@mcimail.com

>True, I (as NEARnet member) can get ~anywhere, but aren't corners emerging 
>WITH controlled routing...controlled by per-site (not per-content) setup?
>I heard one PIPEX customer regretting not paying extra for NSFnet access.

There's really nothing new in this, you're just spoilt. For over two
years The World didn't have generalized NSFnet access (we do now), tho
we never charged differently.

-- 
        -Barry Shein

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Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202        | Login: 617-739-WRLD
Newsgroups: ne.general
From: ccrazy@athena.mit.edu (Ellen Kranzer)
Subject: Re: Drinking and the MBTA was Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 04:20:58 GMT

In article <PSHUANG.92Dec21202139@ninja.mit.edu> pshuang@athena.mit.edu (Ping-Shun Huang) writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.155847.7913@m5.harvard.edu> borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Dave Borden) writes:
>
>> be at a severe competitive disadvantage, because of the high subsidies which
>> the MBTA receives (I heard about 85 percent - is that true?), but people
>
>While this might be true, I do not believe it unless someone can confirm
>this using real financial figures and not "Well, I heard it was true."
>(I seem to recall the last fare raise in San Francisco, to 85 cents from
>75 cents, brought the MUNI bus operation there back to the break-even
>point again.) Yes, I suppose *I* could try to uncover those figures, but
>the burden of proof should be on the person who uses the fact to bolster
>their argument and not on people who disagree with him. :)

I don't know what the current subsidy level is, and at this hour of
the night it is hard to check, but the T is DEFINITELY subsidized by
the communities it runs through.  Communities with subway service pay
more than communities with just bus service.

These subsidies are one reason why there are some oddities on the T
map, and in particular part of the reason that the Red Line ends at
Alewife rather than continuing up Mass. Ave. into Arlington --
Arlington didn't want to pay.  (There also was some other wierd
politics going on, but I had just moved into the area at the time the
Red Line extension from Harvard to Alewife began construction and I
didn't quite understand all of it).

>[Stuff deleted about monopolies to insure service to all areas]
If you had completely free competion, you would get bus service during
rush hours and on certain major routes during the day and all the rest
would drop off as unprofitable.  How unprofitable, well in 7 years I
can't remember ever seeing more than 5 people on the last bus on my
run on weekdays -- and usually it is more like 2-3.  That doesn't even
pay the driver's salary for the 1/2 hour the run is rated at (not to
mention the inbound 1/2 hour to get back to the garage).

Even if the T said 'no problem, go run a late night bus service', it
is highly unlikely that it would be possible to make money on any
single route, nevermind a system of routes.  Also, the taxi lobby
would scream bloody murder.

-- Ellen Kranzer
   ccrazy@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: ne.general
From: zippy@cs.brandeis.edu (Patrick Tufts)
Subject: Re: Drinking and the MBTA was Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
Organization: Brandeis University
Distribution: ne
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:59:24 GMT

borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Dave Borden) writes:

>the unprofitable ones is that the unprofitable T lines will require the same
>subsidy in any case - the only difference is whether that subsidy will come
>from T fares from profitable lines or from general tax revenues.  I say, take
>it from general tax revenues, if that proves to be necessary, and allow the

And which particular special interest group do you plan to wrestle
with to get this money?  City unions?  Education?  Old age pensioners?

Or are you proposing a tax hike?

--Pat
Newsgroups: ne.general
From: spike@world.std.com (Joe Ilacqua)
Subject: Re: flavors of MA cops: what the hell is the registry police?
Organization: Software Tool & Die
	<1992Dec30.185427.10831@news.cs.brandeis.edu>
	<1992Dec30.195840.1@deep-13.gizmo.com>
	<1992Dec31.181350.27918@primerd.prime.com>
Distribution: ne
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:58:08 GMT


	Ah, the escalation of it all.  States (and Canadian provinces)
which ban Radar Detectors are now using Radar Detector Detectors
(really), next we'll have Radar Detector Detector Detectors.  You can
buy a radar jammer which process the radar signal and send it back
showing any speed you want.  For some high performance cars you can
buy stealth front ends which refect the radar signal away from the
gun. In California you can buy Cop Detectors which can detect the
radio repeaters the CHP use in cruisers for hand held radios.

	Then there are radar seeking missles.

->Spike