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From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki)
Subject: Re: Quandry: Upgrade path
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 04:06:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.004029.21389@fcom.cc.utah.edu> val@news.ccutah.edu (Val Kartchner) writes:
>I currently have an A2000 w/8MB of memory and a pre-ECS Agnes.  I will
>upgrade soon, but I haven't decided which path to take:
>
>	1) Get an accelerator (GVP G-Force '040 Combo: 33MHz '040, SCSI-2
>	   controller, serial and parallel ports) and a 24-bit display
>	   card (Opalvision).  $1899 + $999 = $2898
>
>	2) A4000.  $2699
>
>There are other considerations, but the main ones are:
>
>	Option one gives me 8MHz more speed for $200, but only 16-bit bus.

        And is two hundred dollars more for 7 year old technology.  The
16 bit bus would definately kill that 8MHz advantage quickly.  With
the modular processor in the A4000 getting a replacement would be
trivial (and cheeper than getting one on the A2000 since you don't have
to have on board 32-bit RAM.)

>	Option two gives me Zorro III and another Amiga, but no SCSI controller.

	The SCSI controler is trivial unless you already have a lot of SCSI
equipment, if that is the case then you could a) move all of the SCSI
stuff to the 4000 or b) use Parnet to share all equipment.

>I'd like discussion because I haven't decided and would like additional input.
>Also, I'm sure that I'm not the only one contemplating this.

	Since you're not worried about compatibility (as far as I know)
by all means go for the A4000, you'll have current technology and most
likely you'll be happier with it.  Since I gather from context that you
will keep the 2000 when you get the A4000 compatibility with older software
is no longer an issue either, I say "Press on."

>--
>|================== #include <disclaimer.h> ==================///=============|
>| "AMIGA: The computer for the creative mind" (tm) Commodore /// Weber State  |
>| "Macintosh: The computer for the rest of us"(tm) Apple \\\///   University  |
>|== "I think, therefore I AMiga" -- val@csulx.weber.edu ==\///= Ogden UT USA =|

--Jason Balicki
kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
From: davet@uk.sun.com (Dave Tong - Sun UK - Tech Support)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: WorkBench 2.1?
Date: 11 Jan 93 10:45:56 GMT
Reply-To: davet@uk.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems Ltd.

In article kc0@lemsys.UUCP, clemon@lemsys.UUCP (Craig Lemon VE3XCL) writes:
>         No, AmigaDos v2.1 is quite real and been discussed to death in all
> of these newsgroups.  Where were you? :-)  As a matter of fact, there are
> presently several active thread concerning 2.1.  I bought 2.1 at the latest
> World of Commodore Show in Toronto, Ontario Canada.  See...
> 8.DH0:> version                                  
> Kickstart version 37.175, Workbench version 38.35
> 8.DH0:>
>         2.1 is WB release 38.

At the weekend I rang round a few suppliers. They'd never heard of 2.1 and
only had 2.04. Is there a UK release planned?

I haven't upgraded to WB2 yet - been busy. If 2.1 is out I might as well wait
for that rather than buy 2.04
	Regards,
	Dave.

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From: jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Commodity question
Date: 5 Jan 93 00:28:43 CST
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <38291@cbmvax.commodore.com>, ross@cbmvax.commodore.com (Ross Hippely - Manuals) writes:
> In article <wanderer.03nq@tcsi.appleton.mil.wi.us> wanderer@tcsi.appleton.mil.wi.us (K.T. Wieringa) writes:

       [discussion of OS, etc. manual shortcomings deleted]

> Indeed.  I'm not trying to mount a great defense of _USS_, but rather to
> point out two things: 1) We recently have been spending a great deal of time 
> and effort addressing such shortcomings in our documentation, effort that 
> addresses many of the problems such as you mention.  I'd much prefer to be 
> judged on the basis of the current (and upcoming) books.  2) When you do 
> have complaints about documentation--or software, or anything, for that 
> matter--it helps greatly if you are specific and explicit in describing the 
> problem.  Otherwise the complaint may end up filed in the "Unrepeatable/
> Grouchy user" drawer.

I would like to make two suggestions.

Include *ALL* relevant manuals with *ALL* machines (not just
"high-end" machines) in Amigaguide format & / || ascii.

Provide RKM's in Amigaguide or ascii format.  There's nothing less
handy than having a computer that can search through hundreds of pages
of text for that discussion of that function, etc. you need and not
having the hundreds of pages of text in a manner the computer can
read.  

For the record, I though the 2.0 manual I received with my 3000 (way
back when) was a *great* improvment over all previous C=
documentation.  There was a good mix of idiot-proof instructions for
the new user to get started with, and usable stuff.  I hope ARexx docs
will continue to be included while C= supports it.  I think the 2.0
documentation reflected C='s commitment to improving this fundemental
user support.  HOWEVER, I'm very dissappointed to hear manuals are not
included with the new 1200's.  That kind of juvenille cost cutting
does noone any good.  I would suggest that policy change.

>> | K.T. Wieringa              UUCP: toddw@tcsi.appleton.mil.wi.us |
>> | Shawano, Wisconsin, USA    Fido: K.T. Wieringa @ 1:238/105.3   |
> 
> -- 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Ross Hippely:                                               Technical Writer
> employed by, not speaking for:              Commodore Business Machines Inc.
> 
-- 
jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
James Miller

_chicchai .sig no ho ga ichiban iin janai ka..._
             Enlightenment Happens?
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From: crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Re: SoundZAP
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:15:37 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: glia.biostr.washington.edu

In <C0GHtJ.4qu@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ja51359@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (axelrod) writes:


>what's this for?

Converting sounds from other machines into .8svx  (I think)

And there is also a NEWER version available than the one from "old ab20"
I think on a FISH disk.

Crystal
  ;>
From: matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Wing Commander Amiga
Date: 4 Jan 93 12:14:14 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Robert L. Thomas (rlt20429@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:

: Amiga has lost what made it a great game machine

Ehh.. Are we talking AGA-machines here..?

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From: lewis@gto.jsc.nasa.gov (Steve Lewis)
Subject: Looking for 3DO info
Keywords: 3DO
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:10:23 GMT

All of the earlier rumors and, now, the information coming out of the CES 
about 3DO sounds really intruiging.  Can anybody point to sources of other 
information about 3DO, whether on the net or in magazines?
Thanks in advance
-----------------------------------------------------------
Steve Lewis, lewis@gto.jsc.nasa.gov, (713) 483-8126

All these moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
   -- Roy Batty in "Bladerunner"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: lovealld@infonode.ingr.com (David Loveall)
Subject: Re: REVIEW: AmigaDOS version 2.1
Keywords: OS, system software, 2.1, Commodore, commercial
Reply-To: dave@xanadu.reston.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Federal Systems Division, Reston VA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:47:03 GMT

In <1itb14INNmkd@lynx.unm.edu> kbos@carina.unm.edu (K. Mitchell Bose) writes:

>One question.

>I'm running Workbench 2.0 (not 2.04) on an Amiga 3000.  Is it possible simply
>to purchase the AmigaDOS 2.1 upgrade, or do I need new ROMs as well?
>That point is a little confusing to me...

If 2.1 requires the 2.04+ ROMS, you need the _software only_ 2.1 Enhancer
kit (well, software and docs, no ROM) and one of the following:

1) Obtain a 2.04 SuperKickstart floppy disk and upgrade the 2.X Kickstart 
file on your Hard Disk.  You retain the advantages and disadvantages of 
1.3 boot capability.  The cost of the SuperKickstart disk may be cheaper 
than ROMs too.  However, they may no longer be available, now that the 3000 
ROMS have been released..

2) Install the A3000 2.04+ ROM.  Don't purchase the 2.1 software + ROM kit,
the ROM included in the kit is for A500/A1000(with adapter board)/A2000 
systems and won't work in your 3000.

I don't believe 2.1 Workbench is compatible with pre-2.04 versions of
2.X Kickstart, but either of the options above should get you going 
with 2.1..

>Otherwise, a fine review.  Thanks...

>-- 
>Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) * kbos@carina.unm.edu * Walks: not that sexy.
>"Halt!  Based on conclusive dental evidence that truly bites, I arrest you 
> hereby for the murdering of the dead Belzic Tascar.  I am obliged to warn you 
> that my weapons are registered as offensive fronds!!"- R.M.Allen, "Monkey See"
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From: bmccnnll@unix1.tcd.ie (Barry McConnell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: ReOrg ever fatally messed up?
Date: 5 Jan 93 23:59:24 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <C0Cyrn.DBz@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@cineret.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:

>Has anyone had ReOrg trash their HD?  I can't afford a decent backup
>method for my HD, but it needs defragmenting.

Worked just fine on my A2000/WB2.1/40MHz '030/Quantum LP120S. It is very
fast. If you are going to run it without backing-up first, well - that's
your risk. I'd say you have a 50/50 chance of the power going though
(Murphy's Law). :-)  Come on, floppies are not *that* expensive!

Seriously: in the several years I have used my Amiga, I have found backups
invaluable. Not just for accidentally wiping the entire HD (once), and not
for the power going during an optimisation (once), but also for retrieving
deleted or overwritten files which you suddenly realise you wanted to keep
(many times!).

Barry.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: roddi@cs.monash.edu.au (Roddi Walker)
Subject: Re: Computer Joke.
Organization: Computer Science, Monash University, Australia
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:51:24 GMT


One of my favourites:

Q: How man IBM CPUs does it take to run a process?
A: 4.  3 to told it down, one to rip its head off :-)

Roddi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: wendell@medsys.rn.com (Wendell Dingus)
Subject: Re: A1200 HD question
Organization: Med-Systems, Kingsport, Tennessee
Date: 10 Jan 1993 17:17:08 GMT

ccb8m@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Charles C. Bundy) writes:

>For all you Amiga "guru's" :)

>I've had my 1200HD/80 for a week and a half.  The problem is this :)
>My Maxtor HD is acting flakey.  It started giving me block errors as
>I put stuff onto the HD.  Needless to say I immediately whipped out 
>HDtoolbox and did a "verify drive."  Five times I ran it and five
>times it came back with "No Errors"!  However when I would attempt to
>read certain files I still got the "block error" requestor.

>OK me thinks, let us do a low level format!  Well I tried and tried AND
>tried, but it never worked!  Nothing was ever deleted! No Low level format
>was ever done!  Before I yell at C= or my dealer, I thought I'd see if
>I was doing anything wrong.

>Can anybody give me any clues?

Is this a Maxtor 2585AT you're using? I'm going to be installing two of these
particular drives for customers in 1200's either Tuesday or Wednesday of this
week. I sure hope they work ok! Has anyone verified whether they have the 
64K maxtransfer bug many 2.5" drives have? I thought I read that they didn't.


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From: thom@odie.cs.mun.ca (Thom the Tyrant)
Subject: To ALIAS, or not to ALIAS [ie: What's up?]
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:47:08 GMT

Below is a copy of my "Shell-Startup" [WB 1.3] I, for the life of me 
cannot explain what is causing my strange "problem" (?)  8-)

 Everything works A-ok! but, some of these alias don't seem to be
 put into "effect" ie: The system seems to ignore them. Well actually,
 the only ones that get ignored are some of the 2 letter alias's
 ie: es or rm.  Now, here is the strange part... if I have just the
 "rm" alias or the "es" in the file it works... but add the rest and 
 poof! they disappear. I suspected at first that there was a maximum
 number of alias's one could create - but that don't seem to be the case.
  My other theory was that somehow, since there is another entry that    
 follows "es" and "rm" that STARTS with the SAME letter perhaps it gets
 overwritten - but! - the others don't get overwritten ie: F0 F1
 and the only difference is - one contains numerals -. Somehow numbers
 are treated differently, or rather, alias's are treated differently
 if followed by a numeral? Can anyone confirm my theory? offer up
 a correct answer? etc; etc;

 Perplexed,      REMEMBER! T'is the *2* character alias's that are
    Thomas                 presenting the problem... specifically
                           "es" and "rm". I can add more single
			   without any problems. BOTH work, just 
			   not in this situation.

Prompt "%N.%S> "
alias es ed SYS:s/startup-sequence
alias p type
alias m execute dh1:music/pro
alias e endcli
alias rm delete
alias t test
alias d dir
alias ls list
alias r  cd ram:
alias f0 cd df0:
alias f1 cd df1:
alias 0 cd dh0:
alias 1 cd dh1:
alias 2 cd dh2:
alias 3 cd dh3:
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: dave@news.ccutah.edu (dave martin)
Subject: Copy hugefile par: causes crash
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 06:00:59 GMT

I have noticed that the AmigaDos (version 2.1 KS37.175 WB38.35) copy command
of the form
copy somefile par:
will allocate an amount of memory about equal to the size of file being copied.
after a couple minutes, the mouse goes into chunky mode, the system becomes
less and less responsive, and it becomes necessary to reboot the system.

I wrote my own copy program (while not done read buffer from file write buffer
to par:), It also exibits this behavior (not sure about the allocation of
memory, but the slower and slower behavior was the same), indicating a bug
in par: or parallel.device.

What is going on?  This is an A3000/25 no accellerator.

dave@csulx.weber.edu (ignore the header address when sending mail,
                      its probably wrong.)
From: cs64wag@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Jeremy Friesner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: PrintManager 1.0
Date: 11 Jan 93 01:10:05 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Very recently somebody posted that he had uploaded
a commodity/printspooler named PrintManager to 
"various ftp sites".  However, neither Archie or
myself can find this file.  Can somebody please
give me the name of the ftp site, and the directory
PrintManager 1.0 is located in?

Thanks

Jeremy

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From: jperkski@kentcomm.UUCP (Jim Perkowski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Re:  SoundZAP
Distribution: world
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:46:09 EST
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <C0GHtJ.4qu@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ja51359@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (axelrod) writes:
>
>what's this for?
>

 SoundZAP converts MAC and IBM sound files so you can play them on your Amiga.:)

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From: tomb@hplsla.hp.com (Tom Bruhns)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:59:07 GMT
Subject: Re: A virus?? Icons "wipe" when clicked...
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc

Yesterday, I wrote:

>Can anyone identify the following behavior as either a virus or
>some sort of normal behavior?  I use virus checkers, and rather seldom
>add new programs; I recently installed the fish distribution of MACHIV,
>which is not yet registered.

Why do I always post these questions and then go home and figure out
what's really happening???

A couple months ago, I started using a 17" high resolution, high
bandwidth monitor with my A3000, and have been running with a
superhires interlaced workbench with overscan, some 1450 pixels wide.
The monitor bandwidth and resolution makes it just dandy even with
Topaz 8.

Then I added MachIV, which of course has mouse acceleration; I set it
a bit "hotter" than my feeble old hand is used to.

The result:  sometimes when I double-click an icon, I move it just a
bit.  Apparently normal workbench behavior is to redraw all the icons
when you move one.  With a standard hires workbench like I used to use,
it redrew them so fast that it never bothered me, but if I have no other 
windows on the workbench, it takes a substantial part of a second to 
redraw, so it's quite noticable (with superhires interlaced).

I'll live with it and learn to be more careful in icon-clicking.  I just
couldn't give up the ability to have two 85+ column windows 50+ lines
high for editing now ;-)
From: crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Gremlins are munching my memory! (FastRam)
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:54:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: glia.crystal.726270855
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: glia.biostr.washington.edu

In <1993Jan5.181527.13640@hubcap.clemson.edu> charlet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV) writes:

>jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce) writes:

>>20659@daimi.aau.dk (Carsten S|rensen) writes:
>>>crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:
>>>
>>>>I can't find the memory muncher that is eating my Fast RAM :<
>>>
>>>I think that the problem could be that the programs you run open some
>>>.libraries ... Because the libraries are not always flushed from the mem when
>>>they are not used WHICH IS FRUSTRATING :) The solution is to add an argument
>>>to your loadwb command in your startup-sequence. Like "LOADWB -DEBUG" (or is
>>>it "LOADWB DEBUG"?) Anyway, when you do this an extra menu will appear next
>> 
>>    The 'loadwb -debug' option is on pre-WB 2.04. For WB 2.04 use
>>   avail /flush as there is no loadwb -debug in Wb 2.04. DJ.

>Hogwash.  RTFM, page 8-83.  "The -DEBUG option makes a special developer menu,
>Debug, availible in the Workbench menu bar."  I also know this is true for
>2.04 since the first thing I did when I switched from 1.3 is to change the
>LoadWB to a LoadWB -debug.  :)

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>+-------------+----------------------------------+----------------+----------+
>+ "Every Girl Already Has A Boyfriend" --- Murphy's Law Of Dating...         +


"Avail flush" seems to work if I type it from the CLI...I just need to remember
to that, or create an ICON i can leave out, on the workbench to do it...
AHH!!  And I have just the ICON!!  A silly one, my very first, that I have never
found a use for!  Yep, that little blue fella now has a job to do... :>
 
So, will he be a tool or a project?  Just a CLI command...in the tool type
section?                        


Thanks!!!!  ;>
Crystal
  ;> 
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From: jmarin@messi.uku.fi (Jukka Marin)
Subject: Re: Why are they ignoring the Amiga?
Date: 12 Jan 93 11:42:00 GMT
Organization: University of Kuopio, Finland

colas@opossum.inria.fr (Colas Nahaboo) writes:

>Word perfect can only suceed in a PC market with customers with low
>expectations.

>PS: What we need is frame maker!

Then write to FrameMaker Company.  I e-mailed to them some time ago and
asked if they're going to port Frame to the Amiga.  The person who replied
to me mail said that "The latest Commodore products look interesting"
and that they might consider an Amiga port seriously in the future.

I know _I_ would buy a copy!  Now I'm using Frame on a UNIX box, some-
times with the GfxBase X11 emulator (I only have the demo version but
hope to get the real thing as it is _good_ :-)


  Jukka Marin

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From: eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com (Ed Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Reasons for Amiga CD
Date: 5 Jan 93 05:31:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1993Jan4.223112.7327
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

> You've  got  me.   It  would  be nice to see both SCSI-II *and*
> CDTV/CD-ROM support on the A4000T (and the SCSI-II card).

I vote for SCSI-2 *and* CDROM.  Forget CDTV; it's draining precious
resources that *could* be better spent elsewhere... such as one a CDROM
*standard* (and no, this does NOT refer to ISO9660).


> First  of  all,  I didnt say it - Commodore did (apparently).  I was
> simply commenting  on the meaning of the statement they made, attempting to
> make a "speculative clarification".

Uh, ok... clear... I guess.  ;-)


> Finaly,  its possible that they were not talking about normal floppy
> drives in  the  comparison  -  they might have meant the Chinon HD floppy that
> the Amiga  uses, which is indeed expensive.  Or perhaps they meant the 2.88
> meg floppies, or 20Meg flopticals.

Meaning... that ALL things are possible... under the right conditions?


> At  any  rate,  you  are  arguing  to  the wrong person - I dont know. 
> Ask Commodore what they meant.

Oh... were we arguing?  Good heavens!  All this time, I thought that we
were discussing.  Hmmm...


Regards,


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From: eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com (Ed Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Reasons for Amiga CD-ROM
Date: 5 Jan 93 05:23:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1993Jan4.222344.7327
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

> Wouldn't it very easy to simply flip them over like records? :-) :-)
> I can't imagine a simgle program which would would take up more room than
> could be provided on one side but a complete application could.

Yes, it would be the simple answer.  But then we'd all have to listen to
the whining and crying that would ensue from those too lazy to flip a disk
now and then.  :-/



        -=- Ed


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