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From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Oversea flight and assigned seats
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:29:10 GMT
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.

In article <1992Aug26.204455.5120@berlioz.nsc.com> my@laverde.nsc.com writes:
>Hello,
>	I would like to know if one can get a confirmed assigned 
>seat for oversea travel?  Some one told me that I have to get the
>seat assignment when I get to the airport when i fly.  Is that true?

You can get a  seat assignment, but  you can't get  your boarding pass
until you get to the airport.
					reb
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: rsanders@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (RRobert M Sanders)
Subject: Re: Dragon Air
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 00:01:14 GMT

In article <2974@tansei1.tansei.cc.u-tokyo.ac.jp> hideo@tansei.cc.u-tokyo.ac.jp
 (KANNO Hideo) writes:
>In article <64937@cup.portal.com> hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam) wri
tes:
>>Does anybody have experience travelling on Dragon Air? Is their 
>>maintainance, on-time departure, and service comparible to Cathay?
>
>I haven't.  But my friends have.
>
>Don't expect comfort and service for KA.
>Sheat pitch is shorter than other airlines.
>One of my friend, he had a flights from Hong Kong to Kungming said:
>"CAAC is better than Dragon Air:-(."
>
>But KA is still useful.  And in many case there's no alternative.
>If you want to fly from Hong Kong to China local cities and v.v..
>It is very hard to get a seat on CAAC (means nowadays CA,MU, etc) flight.
>Because there are no efficient Computer Reservation System.
>
>You can easily and exactly reserve the seat for KA.
>No problem!!  
>
>I'm not sure but I think their maintanances are done by Cathey Pacific.
>
>In mainland China, you must think you are lucky, if you can fly and arrive
>on destination on the day you wanted.
>
>In CAAC ticket office, keyward is "Mei-You", means "There's no seat."
>and please notice, it means someteime "There's no flight service"?????
>
>So don't care about such a thing.
>--
>            _      .---    KANNO HIDEO     kanno@tansei.cc.u-tokyo.ac.jp 
>  _________/ |__--'@/      Dept. of Biophysics & Biochemistry, Univ. of Tokyo
> (__PAN AM/__|__===-~      3-1, Hongo 7-chome, Bunkyo-ku, Tokyo 113, JAPAN 
>                           (JALNET: JAL13073, NIFTY-Serve: GFC00670)

At the CAAC ticket office mei2you3 can also mean "We don't have any seats left 
for people without connections."

Robert Sanders
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Subject: Re: United Free Ticket Promotion
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:47:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.143150.3138@cc.gatech.edu> pas@marietta.cc.gatech.edu (Paulo Santos) writes:
>Are you sure?  There are less than 25 saturdays left before December 18.
>I don't think United would be encouraging travellers to get back-to-back
>tickets.  They usually frown upon this.

Well, if one wanted to do this, they could travel Baltimore (BWI) -
Washington Dulles (IAD) for $100.00 exactly.  No Saturday stayover, no
advance purchase.  One could easily fly enough to go around the
world.
-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: freimer@cs.cornell.edu (Robert Freimer)
Subject: Re: United discount coupons
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:21:16 GMT

reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux) writes:
>They are also honoring the Northwest coupons...

I spoke with US Air and they are also honoring the NW coupons, but
only on routes serviced with jets, which didn't help me.
-- 

-Robert
From: pete@gamma.nsc.com
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: <<<<<RT Boston-San Jose ticket FOR SALE>>>>>
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:36:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: National Semiconductor, Santa Clara
Originator: pete@gamma.nsc.com

Hello again,
 
Just got all the flight info.

Departs Boston Tuesday 11/24/92--- FL# 231      10:10 AM
Arrives Chicago "  "   "     "                  11:20 AM
Departs Chicago "  "   "     "-----FL# 401      12:20 AM
Arrives San Jose "    "      "                   2:40 PM

RETURN TRIP

Departs San Francisco  Sunday 11/29/92---- FL# 092  8:00 AM
Arrives Boston         "    "  "    "               4:23 PM


All those interested, let me know.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: romeo@chocktaw.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mr. Bill)
Subject: TIKS FOR SALE!-> Columbus->LA ROUNTRIP ONLY $130 EACH!
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 21:39:09 GMT


I have 2 roundtrip tickets for sale on Southwest Airlines for $130 each*

LEAVE Columbus, Ohio: Wed. Sept. 2nd, 4:35pm to Kansas City to LA
ARRIVE LAX: about 10:30pm

LEAVE LAX: Fri. Sept. 11th, 6:30am DIRECT FLIGHT to Columbus, Ohio

The two tickets have MALE names and if you're interested, I'll send
specific flight information.


-> THE DATES CAN BE CHANGED IF THE FLIGHT IS MADE BEFORE SEPT.13
-> THE TICKETS ARE ONLY $130.OO EACH ROUNDTRIP AND MUST GO!!
-> REPLY TO: romeo@cis.ohio-state.edu

					
*If you are interested, then please reply ASAP. The flight leaves THIS Wed.!!

							-Thanks
From: pprice@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Paul Price)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Use of radios on planes.
Date: 30 Aug 92 23:50:20 GMT
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia.

fraserdt@unixg.ubc.ca (David T.S. Fraser) writes:

>On numerous occasions, I have read in the little safety pamphlets in the
>seat back that it was dangerous for passengers to operate radios during
>the fligt.  I have thought that it would be interesting to  listen to 
>the pilot<>ground communications using a scanner, but what in the process
>would cause danger?  Do recievers emit em radiation that will interfere with
>the safe operation of the aircraft?  

>Always been curious.

>David Fraser

>-- 
>                       David Fraser | Internet: fraserdt@unixg.ubc.ca
>     University of British Columbia | FidoNet: 1:153/942
>                 Vancouver, BC, CDA | CRASNet: 125:200/230
You, likeme, are interested in using the radio for listening to air/ground control.


I really think that aircraft entertainment units should have a special channel on them, for 
this purpose, and more needs to be done about getting one installed.
                                   PAUL PRICE 


                              GRIFFITH UNIVERSITY


                                  BACHELOR OF
                                  INFORMATICS


                          PPRICE@GUCIS.CIT.GU.EDU.AU.


                               PHONE 07 875 5420


                              BUSINESS HOURS ONLY.


                               QUOTE OF THE YEAR:



If it can't be done, I'll do it straight away.

If it's impossible, I'll need more time. 

Miricles by appointment only. 
-- 
                                   PAUL PRICE 


                              GRIFFITH UNIVERSITY
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS)
Subject: Re: Travel Award for sale
Originator: asanders@sparta
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:56:10 GMT

| A society where every individual has the responsibility (sic) 
| to decide which rules are to obeyed and which are to be broken 
| is described nicely by the word anarchy.

			-Dave Britton

And a society where every individual must obey every rule, whether it 
makes any sense or not, is described nicely by the word TOTALITARIANISM.

						-Alan

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,news.answers
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Transferring Frequent Flyer ticket
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:05:40 GMT

lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow) wrote: 
->I've lost my Delta Frequent Flyer brochure so   I can't look this up.
->I have enough miles for a free (domestic) ticket, but I'm not sure if
->I will be using the ticket myself or giving it to my daughter.  Do
->I have to decide before I order the award (coupon, whatever), or do I
->do that when I turn in the award for an actual ticket.  And if I do
->decide to get the ticket in her name, how do I do that?

call the experts at delta and ask; they have a toll-free number.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Problem about Connecting flight !!
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:35:09 GMT

kumar@polk.cs.unc.edu (Subodh Kumar) wrote: 
->I am buying a SwissAir tkt from NewYork. But since I have to fly from
->Raleigh, I have bought an American airline tkt between Raleigh and NewYork -
->Though there is a connecting time at JFK, of 2 hours while going, unforeseen
->delays do happen. (Both the tickets are nonrefundable !) Where do I stand in
->such a case ? Have you had any such experience ? Will I be rerouted ? Who will
->take the responsibility in such a case - AA or SwissAir ?

did you buy them together (paying one airfare for both flights), or
did you purchase them separately?  if the latter, then you goofed: if
you purchased them together, the chances would have been greater that
there would be no stuff-up (should one flight be late) ... will you be
re-routed?  that's up to the airlines in question; deepest discount
fares buy deepest discount service: don't expect re-routing
(especially on another airline), and don't expect either airline to be
responsible for the schedule of the other.

call your travel agent (hmm ... sounds like you didn't use a travel
agent; he/she would have known this) and ask him/her to insure that
the record in your outbound AA flight shows your connection to
swissair, and that your swissair return shows your connection to
your AA flight.  

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Subject: United discount coupons
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:57:45 GMT

United will have coupons in  the newspaper on  8/26/92 -- they will be
good for $35 off of a fare over $150 or $50 off of a fare of  $250 and
over.  I'm sure there are restrictions but I don't know what they are.
They are also honoring the Northwest coupons...
							reb
From: hafer@apple.com (Rob Hafer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: The new Pittsburgh airport
Date: 4 Sep 92 03:05:19 GMT
Followup-To: rec.travel.air
Organization: Apple Computer

> > For that matter, when will the new USAir terminal at LaGuardia open?
> Offhand, don't know about LGA.

The FF newsletter claimed that the new LGA terminal will begin operations
in 'early September'. When I called, they said it would be 9/12.

...Rob
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: brit@wagner.Physics.McGill.CA (Dave Britton)
Subject: Re: Use of radios on planes.
Organization: McGill University
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 02:25:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.224649.5107@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)  
writes:
> yes.
> 
> there's an easier way to do this: many pilots will simply put the
> pilot<>ground comms on one of the unused inflight audio channels.  ask
> for it by name.
> 
> --
> # henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>

I would not say *many*.... the last time was about ~75 planes
ago :).  But whilst I have come across this, I have also 
been informed by a pilot that, unknown to many, it is totally 
illegal (at least in the states). The law that governs this 
states that is illegal to rebroadcast private radio communication 
between two people *unless* both parties agree. Since the cockpit 
crew are in contact with many different individuals in the course 
of a flight, I am sure they do not obtain such permission, and
therefore it is an illegal rebroadcast (this is apparently not 
the same thing as listening in on a conversation since one party
has actively re-transmitted the communication). Does anybody out 
there know whether this is in fact the case?   I'd like to hear
the comms more often... it is very interesting and reassuring,
especially when you can spot the other traffic they are talking
about.

Dave.
From: ajeans@hplred.HP.COM (Albert Jeans)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Courier Fares, SFO
Date: 25 Aug 92 15:14:39 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA

Does anyone know of any courier services in the SF Bay Area which will allow 
you to fly to Asia cheaply if you give them your baggage allowance?
From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: It USED to be northworst - now its northbest (maybe)
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:32:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: solarium.KMEYER.92Sep4113253
	<KMEYER.92Aug25130836@solarium.aero.org>
	<1992Aug28.212410.219@news.wesleyan.edu>
Distribution: world
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: solarium.aero.org
In-reply-to: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu's message of 28 Aug 92 21:24:08 EDT

On 28 Aug 92 21:24:08 EDT, RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) said:
> The thing NWA *used* to do (worse than other airlines) that really irked me 
> was lock the doors & push back (about 5 feet) from the gate (so as to count 
> as an "on time departure") & then sit there for half an hour or so (but their
> statistics could still count it as having departed "on time").
> Do they still do this, or have they improved that irksome aspect of their
> service too?  If so, I may dig out my WorldPerks card again...

The reason that all airlines do this is because this is the part of the
departure that is under their control.  Once they push back from the gate,
they are at the mercy of the Air Traffic Controllers to get them off
the ground in their scheduled slot.

I will say that this hasn't happened to me on Northwest anytime in the
last year, and I fly them several times a month.  

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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: It USED to be northworst - now its northbest (maybe)
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:24:08 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20In-Reply-To: kmeyer@aero.org's message of Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:08:36 GMTLines: 13

[many folks' enthusiastic recommendations of NWA deleted]

The thing NWA *used* to do (worse than other airlines) that really irked me was
lock the doors & push back (about 5 feet) from the gate (so as to count as an
"on time departure") & then sit there for half an hour or so (but their
statistics could still count it as having departed "on time").

Do they still do this, or have they improved that irksome aspect of their
service too?  If so, I may dig out my WorldPerks card again...

------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: erik@tera.com (Erik Hedberg)
Subject: Re: Morris Air
Summary: Great stuff
Keywords: cheap, on time
Organization: Tera Computer Company, Seattle, WA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:34:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.133911.1@acad2.alaska.edu> asbwc@acad2.alaska.edu (Brady W. Clark) writes:
>	Morris Air was originally created on the ANC/SEA route as a no-frills
>airline.  At the time, the cheapest ANC/SEA RT was about $415.  Morris appeared
>and charged $298 with no advance purchase.  They have been at least $100 below
>everyone else ever since.  In a place like Anchorage where the airlines have
>you by the shorts (any other mode of transportation takes at least 3.5 - 4 days
>to Seattle) and take advantage of it without remorse, Morris Air has been a
>godsend.

The story I heard was that Morris Air started by flying Mormon
pilgrims to Salt Lake City.  After this posting, I called them to
find out what really happened.  We're both wrong.

Morris Air started 9 years ago with 1 flight: Salt Lake to Honolulu.
Then they added Orange County, Ontario, San Diego, Oakland, San Jose,
Seattle, Phoenix, Las Vegas, Laughlin NV (yes, to go gambling).  They
used to be a hub and spoke system with the hub being SLC.  Now they
have added Seattle - San Jose, Portland - Oakland, and as noted above,
Anchorage - Seattle.  They dropped Ontario a little while ago.

They also do flights from SLC to Orlando, Mazatlan, Puerto Vallarta,
Cancun, and Cabo San Lucas.

They are a no frills, food, or seat reservations airline, much like
Southwest, and consistently sell tickets $100 below the competition.

One note:  They don't have a lot of counter space or ticket agents.
Their planes are (almost) always full, so you get a whole 737 being
checked in by 2 people.  The check in line is long, and seats are
assigned as you check your bags.  Get there early (like 1 or 1.5
hours), and be prepared for a wait.  You can also get there just as
they're closing up shop, you won't wait but you'll have a center seat.

BTW:  They also have some great ski packages.  I took 1 day off work
(Friday), left San Jose Thursday night about 7:00pm, skied Alta,
Snowbird, and Solitude in three consecutive days, and got home Sunday
night about 9:00pm.  Total: $358 for everything except food.  Yep,
that's airfare, hotels, shuttle busses, and lift tickets.  Had a great
time.  This year's prices for SF Bay Area or Seattle to Salt Lake ski
packages: 2 days = $298, 3 days = $368 (up $10).

[ Obligatory Note: No connection with Morris Air except that I'm just
  a happy customer. ]

Erik
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: maney@netcom.com (George Maney)
Subject: wanted-Midwestern Ticket Consolodator
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 20:18:36 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Hi-

I would greatly appreciate a pointer to a good Midwest consolodataor
or bucket shop for travel between Chicago and Hawaii.

-George Maney

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: Graeme.Hart@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: Things to make flying more comforta
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 08:55:15 GMT

In article <1644500009@igc.apc.org> Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord@igc.apc.org> writes:
> 
> I always travel with my own inflatable pillow - there ARE never enough
> pillows to go around! The minute I get on the plane and d see an
> overhead bin with a blanket in it I grab it and take it on back to 
> my seat with me - don't wait for flight attendants to hand out because
> you may never get one.

You should fly Air New Zealand, they always have enought blankets and
pillows.  When you get on the plane, there is one on every seat (except
the one time they stuffed up and didn't have any clean blankets !! :).


Graeme
From: asbwc@acad2.alaska.edu (Brady W. Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Morris Air
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:39:11 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Anchorage

In article <6aanzcq.rlerdorf@netcom.com>, rlerdorf@netcom.com (Rasmus Lerdorf) writes:
> Recently saw a story about a West coast privately owned airline called
> Morris Air.  Today (Monday) I needed a San Jose/Seattle ticket for this
> Friday and called their 800 number (1-800-4MORRIS) and asked them if they
> could get me to Seattle on Friday.  No problem they said.  Easily booked
> and bought on my credit card for $119 one-way.  Simple, quick and cheap.
> Although, I have yet to fly with Morris, many things will have to go very
> wrong for me to be displeased with these people.  Their price was easily
> 3 times below what I was expecting to pay on such short notice.
	Morris Air was originally created on the ANC/SEA route as a no-frills
airline.  At the time, the cheapest ANC/SEA RT was about $415.  Morris appeared
and charged $298 with no advance purchase.  They have been at least $100 below
everyone else ever since.  In a place like Anchorage where the airlines have
you by the shorts (any other mode of transportation takes at least 3.5 - 4 days
to Seattle) and take advantage of it without remorse, Morris Air has been a
godsend.
> 
> -- 
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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: puerta@mcs-next-10.stanford.edu (Angel Puerta)
Subject: Re: United Free Ticket Promotion
Reply-To: puerta@camis.stanford.edu
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:12:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.231941.6123@dsg.tandem.com>  
narayan@aravali.everest.tandem.com (Pankaj Narayan) writes:
> |> 
> |> Even better, fly the 25 roundtrips the same day (one at a time, of course)  
and  
> |> get the California-Plus bonuses: 1,000 miles for each same-day roundtrip  
plus  
> |> free california flights for each 7 roundtrips. You will get 50,000 miles  
> |> (another two domestic tickets and change). Plus you will become a premier  
> |> member which would entitle you to even more perks.
> |
> That is not possible, since I remember that they have this saturday night  
stay
> required thing on these tickets (in order to get credit). 
> pankaj
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Pankaj Narayan			Email: narayan_pankaj@tandem.com
> Tandem Computers			  

Are you sure?. They are not going to reward their best customers--the business  
travelers?. I thought the Sat night was among the constraints for the  
certificates that you get for free travel. 


--
Angel Puerta
puerta@camis.stanford.edu
From: hubbert@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (john hubbert)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Travel in Indonesia/Papua New Guinea
Keywords: Indonesia, Java, Bali, Irian Jaya, Papua, New Guinea
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:32:27 GMT
Reply-To: hubbert@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (john hubbert)
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University

Hi out there

I am planning a trip to Indonesia / Papua New Guinea from
mid December to February 1. High on my list to see are:
Java (Yogyakarta), Bali, Lombok to Timor islands, Irian Jaya
and/or Papua New Guinea. Has anybody Traveled there recently?
I'm reading the Lonely Planet travel books but I am also
looking for people who have had pesonal experiences with
this area of the world. Any relavent experiences that would
help me on my journey would be appreciated. 

Has anybody traveled on the Sepik in Papua New Guinea?

Thanks for any info. that you might have,

John Hubbert
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air