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From: ghm@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Geoff Miller)
Subject: Re: Books... of course
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:27:54 GMT

Richard.Stewart@f301.n670.z3.fx.cec.edu.au (Richard Stewart) writes:

>If you were marooned on a desert island... What ten SciFi Novels would you
> like to have to read.....

In no particular order of preference:

  Earth Book of Stormgate (UK publication was in three books, but I 
     did once have a US edition in 1 volume, so I count it as 1, and 
     if the !@#$%^&* who borrowed it from me reads this I want it back),
     Poul Anderson
  City of Illusions, Ursula K. le Guin
  Rocannon's World,    "     "  "
  Time Enough for Love, Robert Heinlein
  Telepathist, John Brunner
  Way Station, Clifford Simak
  20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, Jules Verne
  Lucifer's Hammer, Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
  Pavane, Keith Roberts
  Santiago, Mike Resnick

Depending on how you interpret "novel" two of these may not be acceptable,
of course, since they consist of distinct but connected stories.  Author's
names are from memory, no responsibility taken for errors.

Geoff Miller (g-miller@adfa.oz.au)  |   Don't steal.  The government
Computer Centre                     |   hates competition.
Australian Defence Force Academy    |   (via Jeff Cooper)
From: andrewf@kralizec.zeta.org.au (Andrew Fong)
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: Re: Terminator
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:40:44 GMT
Organization: Kralizec Dialup Unix Sydney: +61-2-837-1183 V.32


Hi !!!


	Arnie said he was interested in doing another Terminator while
Jim Cameron said he wasn't really interested. The production company Carolco
was apparently in big financial problems so it isn;t likely they will be 
producing it. Don't ask me how they can't make money, after producing Total
Recall and a string of other hits, according to rec.arts.movies they sold
all the rights to Terminator II to finance the thing.

	Considering Arnie's salary and the FX budget I can see why !!
Apparently rumours are that Jim is working on a live action Spiderman,
while Carolco had plans on doing Mai the Psychic Girl, a movie based
on a Japanese manga which was quite good (the manga that is).



					Andrew
From: Mark.Limburg@f159.n633.z3.fx.cec.edu.au (Mark Limburg)
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: Terminator
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 12:14:00 +1000

Yo..

 KF> IN THE MOVE TERMINATOR II, DOES ARNIE PLAY A T-100 OR A T-800?

Arnie plays a T-800.

A quick question for those with interest, James Cameron was asked whether
he will be doing another terminator movie.  From what I have heard, he
smiled and said "Maybe" ... Anyone have any information on this?

-=> MaRK <=-

 * PQ-Under-Trial 2.14 * If I drive at light speed, will my blinker's work??

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Newsgroups: aus.sf
From: mhg@cc.uq.oz.au (Miles H Gillham)
Subject: Re: Books... of course
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:54:52 GMT

farrell@coral.cs.jcu.edu.au (John Farrell) writes:

>  But I think of the books I haven't read yet, I would take Cherryh's Chanur
>series, 4 volumes. I read the first two and they were like a whole new
>experience in reading. Possibly the best written books I have ever found.
>Don't know why, they just were. They seemed real.
				^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
At $10.95 each they'd better be! :)

>  Now I only have three left. They had better be good. "Xenocide" by Orson
>Scott Card, because it would be unbearable to die not knowing what happened
>next. "Tea with the Black Dragon" by R.A. MacAvoy. I read a book and a half of
>the Damiano's Lute trilogy, and she seems to be a good author, and I have
>heard that "Tea..." is her best. Gee, I've only got one book left. I suppose

No, no, no, no, no!!  You have been most grossly deceived.  The Lute Trilogy
starts off brilliantly with the first book and degrades rapidly from there.
If you had made it any further you would have been ruing the day you hadn't
stopped at the first.  Stay away from authors who are not to be trusted to
not mess up a good thing (I forgive Heinlein because his early work was good,
he just became old and senile).  I won't ever forgive Russell Mulcahy (sp?)
for the second Highlander movie.  I suspect Chuck Norris of writing the
screenplay.

>desert island with only 10 SF novels, which books would you hope had been
>written when you got back?

And none of that muck about the ever ongoing Belgariad mega(mi)series.  Some of
the most mindless and forgettable tripe ever...

There that oughta do it.

Cheers,

Miles
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social niceties and beer swilling.  My signature is short to be environmentally
friendly.
Newsgroups: aus.sf
From: outias@cc.newcastle.edu.au
Subject: Re: Books... of course
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 06:30:54 GMT

In article <702681924.F00005@csource.oz.au>, Richard.Stewart@f301.n670.z3.fx.cec.edu.au (Richard Stewart) writes:
> If you were marooned on a desert island... What ten SciFi Novels would you
>  like to have to read.....

      Wow! What a question. Here's my off-the-cuff list:

         Dune
         The Mote in God's Eye
         Lord of Light
         After Such Knowledge (Doctor Mirabilis, Black Easter and 
                               A Case of Conscience in one volume - is
                               that cheating?)
         Foundation
         A Scanner Darkly
         A Canticle for Leibowitz

      and just for fun:
         The Stainless Steel Rat
         The Warlock in Spite of Himself
         Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (Vonda McIntyre's novelisation)

      Now, I'm going to go home, look at my bookshelves, and boggle at the
people I left out. Sometime in the not-too-distant future, I'll post a more
serious list.

      Andrew Hide
      Escaped Computer Science Student (now working in the real world)
      University of Newcastle, NSW, Australia
From: Richard.Stewart@f301.n670.z3.fx.cec.edu.au (Richard Stewart)
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: Books... of course
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 10:31:00 +1000

Here's something to get you thinking...

If you were marooned on a desert island... What ten SciFi Novels would you
 like to have to read.....

(I'll let you know what my list is in my next message)

Richard

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From: bozo@fgh.fgh.oz.au (Rolfe Bozier)
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: Re: Books... of course
Date: 11 Apr 92 04:21:38 GMT
Organization: FGH Decision Support Systems Pty Ltd, N. Sydney, NSW, Aus.

farrell@coral.cs.jcu.edu.au (John Farrell) writes:
>   An interesting question for future debate is: if you were marooned on a
> desert island with only 10 SF novels, which books would you hope had been
> written when you got back?

Piers Anthony's final book.
-- 
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From: Richard.Stewart@f301.n670.z3.fx.cec.edu.au (Richard Stewart)
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: Books... of course
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:16:00 +1000

Ha Ha!
We'd better maroon David Eddings with you then!
(What relation are you to Andy?)
I'm not actually sure what 10 books I'd have with me...
Hmmmm... maybe The Skylark series by E.E.(Doc)Smith
The Trigon Disunity Trilogy by Michael P Kube-McDowell
Ummm.. (I never can think of them when I need to)
Forge of God - Greg Bear
Job (A Comedy of Justice) - Robert Heinlein
 Battlefield Earth - L.Ron.Hubbard
There, That'll do me....

Btw Mick, What other kinds of authors do you like? (I have over 700 SciFi
 Books in 5 yep five suitcases and a bookshelf..)

Richard

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From: fmonro@neumann.une.oz.au (F J Monro)
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: Re: Terminator
Date: 13 Apr 92 06:23:50 GMT
Reply-To: fmonro@neumann.une.oz.au
Originator: fmonro@neumann.une.oz.au

From article <702963391.F00002@csource.oz.au>, by Mark.Limburg@f159.n633.z3.fx.cec.edu.au (Mark Limburg):
> Yo..
> 
>  KF> IN THE MOVE TERMINATOR II, DOES ARNIE PLAY A T-100 OR A T-800?
> 
> Arnie plays a T-800.
>
I watched it last night, great movie! I loved the special effects.
Anyway, near the start, when arnie has rescued john from the T1000,
he says that he is a "cyberdyne systems terminator model T-101", 
which is the same as the original terminator in T1. There was something
in rec.arts.sf.movies about this, which is why I was looking for it.

-Che 
Newsgroups: aus.sf
From: farrell@coral.cs.jcu.edu.au (John Farrell)
Subject: Re: Books... of course
Organization: James Cook University
Date:  9 Apr 92 00:13:01 GMT

In <702681924.F00005@csource.oz.au> Richard.Stewart@f301.n670.z3.fx.cec.edu.au (Richard Stewart) writes:
>If you were marooned on a desert island... What ten SciFi Novels would you
> like to have to read.....

  This is easy. Firstly, I would take Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit and the
Silmarillion, because I want to read them again. However I wouldn't take any
other books I have already read,  though I would be sorely tempted to slip in
"The Black Corridor" by Michael Moorcock. Oh yeah, and maybe "The Postman" by
David Brin. And possibly "Dune". I have the trilogy in one volume, so that
would be a good idea.
  But I think of the books I haven't read yet, I would take Cherryh's Chanur
series, 4 volumes. I read the first two and they were like a whole new
experience in reading. Possibly the best written books I have ever found.
Don't know why, they just were. They seemed real.
  Now I only have three left. They had better be good. "Xenocide" by Orson
Scott Card, because it would be unbearable to die not knowing what happened
next. "Tea with the Black Dragon" by R.A. MacAvoy. I read a book and a half of
the Damiano's Lute trilogy, and she seems to be a good author, and I have
heard that "Tea..." is her best. Gee, I've only got one book left. I suppose
it had better be "Diggers" by Terry Pratchett. Technically, Terry Pratchett
hasn't written a book called "Diggers", but he was going to and he ended up
calling it something else which I can't remember. The one after that is called
"Fliers", but because Mr Fascist Stewart has limited me to only 10 books, I
might have to wait till I get rescued.
  An interesting question for future debate is: if you were marooned on a
desert island with only 10 SF novels, which books would you hope had been
written when you got back?


Friendless
From: james@cs.UAlberta.CA (James Borynec; AGT Researcher)
Newsgroups: news.future
Subject: Re: Impact of ISDN on Usenet?
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:51:29 GMT
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada

brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:

>The number of people with modems is actually quite high.  More than enough
>to demand cheap digital service to the home.

Perhaps.  What if you have to give up a POTS line to get digital access?
(Or are you willing to pay $700 for a digital phone?). What about rewiring 
your house?

>But saying that since nobody does data at home there is no need for it
>is like saying there was no need for the telephone because people didn't
>all keep a telegraph keyset in their homes.

Putting in digital access is EXPENSIVE.  Phone companies are risk adverse.
They are willing to pay lots of money if they can be guaranteed to make
lots more money.  Residential digital access has no guaranteed money
making application.  This is why no North American telephone company
is agressively pursuing *RESIDENTIAL* ISDN.  They are all waiting
for business to "pull it through".  In the words of one network 
marketing person "if someone wants it in their home, they can get it by
paying business rates".

It's going to take awhile folks.
j.borynec james@cs.ualberta.ca
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Newsgroups: news.future
Subject: Re: Impact of ISDN on Usenet?
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:00:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: loiosh.CKD.92Apr7125844
	<&#_LMK+@ais.org> <1992Apr6.002007.3508@msen.com>
	<1992Apr06.075325.14361@clarinet.com> <james.702658289@menaik>
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central


 James> == James Borynec; AGT Researcher <james@cs.UAlberta.CA> 

 James> [...] no North American telephone company is agressively
 James> pursuing *RESIDENTIAL* ISDN.  They are all waiting for business
 James> to "pull it through".  In the words of one network marketing
 James> person "if someone wants it in their home, they can get it by
 James> paying business rates".

New England Telephone tariffs it at residential rates.  They're not
pushing it very hard, yet, because it's only available in small islands,
but it *is* available relatively cheaply.

We're going to get a couple BRI lines here at EFF and one at the
sysadmins' house, and do some testing/playing.
--
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System Manager & Postmaster     |  "There's always something going out of
Electronic Frontier Foundation  |      business in Central Square."
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Newsgroups: news.future
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: Impact of ISDN on Usenet?
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1992 22:45:46 GMT

 Bill> == Bill Goffe x3806 <bgoffe@seas.smu.edu> 

 Bill> It would seem to me that Usenet could greatly benefit from ISDN.
 Bill> I'd be willing to bet that there are few nontechnical readers of
 Bill> Usenet at home.  The high speed and (hopeful) simplicity of ISDN
 Bill> could open up Usenet to millions who otherwise have no access.

 Bill> Anybody have any argument?

Not me, but I'm biased; the EFF is working towards affordable nationwide
ISDN, and the article you saw was part of that effort.

I recently (yesterday ;-) went to a New England Telephone seminar on
ISDN.  NYNEX is, according to their folks, the first regional Bell
access company to offer ISDN in non-Centrex/Intellipath environments.
They are offering it in residential and "single-line business" (which
doesn't really mean single-line businesses, just non-Centrex business)
as well as Intellipath.

It's $8/mo extra for ISDN service, plus charges based on what you order
(nothing for voice, $5/mo for circuit-switched data lines).
Installation is $15 per circuit-switched option (voice, data, or
voice&data) and $35 for X.25 packet-switched options (low or high speed).

The call charges for voice are "whatever you're paying now" (in my case,
unmeasured) and the circuit-switched data (64kbps) is less than a dollar
an hour.  The catch is that it only works within the same central office
right now.  The bonus is that it *may* be possible to get 56kbps
circuit-switched data over a "voice" connection, at voice rates...

Packet switching charges are convoluted, so I won't list 'em here.

I will be posting more details on this in comp.org.eff.talk later this
week once I've finished writing up the report.  I'm still waiting to
hear if I can get ISDN at home & work; if so, we'll have operational
tests to report in a couple months ;-).
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Newsgroups: news.future
From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton)
Subject: Re: Impact of ISDN on Usenet?
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 07:53:25 GMT

The number of people with modems is actually quite high.  More than enough
to demand cheap digital service to the home.

One problem is that almost none of the information providers (Compuserve,
GEnie etc.) are anywhere near ready to offer 56kbit service at any
consumer level price.   This will change.

But saying that since nobody does data at home there is no need for it
is like saying there was no need for the telephone because people didn't
all keep a telegraph keyset in their homes.
-- 
Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366
From: tomj@pnet16.cts.com (Tom Jenkins)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: Current Version of CNews?
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:16:03 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet16], NCTAMS EASTPAC

henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.125340.10679@visual.spk.wa.us> ssanbeg@visual.spk.wa.us (Scott Sanbeg) writes:
>>Well, I *thought* I'd seen where a new version of Cnews was coming
>>out "in a few days," a couple of weeks ago. Is the 12/91 version
>>being upgraded (not that it needs it), or were my eyes in poor
>>shape?
>
>It's still coming; it's been delayed because I do the final integration,
>and I've been non-trivially ill.
>-- 
>GCC 2.0 is to C as SVR4 is to Unix.     | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
>                             -Dick Dunn |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry

Will the newer version allow for 'cross-linking' between filesystems (in
Xenix)?

--Tom

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Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal)
Subject: Re: What happened to news.software.transport?
Organization: Unicom Systems Development, Austin, TX
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 04:30:12 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.133415.16521@uunet.uu.net>
	rsalz@uunet.uu.net (Rich Salz) writes:
>News.software.transport seems to also "eat up" news.software.nntp.

But, there is no such Usenet group known as news.software.nntp.
-- 
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Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz)
Subject: Re: What happened to news.software.transport?
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:50:39 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.172222.28703@telesoft.com> garym@telesoft.com (Gary Morris @lone) writes:
>What's the status of news.software.transport?

Good question!

>Has this idea been dropped?

I hope not...
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Xref: sparky news.software.b:1993 news.sysadmin:842
From: tgp@sei.cmu.edu (Tod Pike)
Newsgroups: news.software.b,news.sysadmin
Subject: Re: Adding Lines: to Cnews
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:35:13 GMT
Followup-To: news.software.b
Organization: Software Engineering Institute

Well, Henry, perhaps I'm confused then.  My NNTP daemon calls inews which
seems to do a lot of checking.  Should NNTP call relaynews directly?

		Tod Pike

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Xref: sparky news.software.b:1956 comp.mail.multi-media:93 comp.multimedia:1298
From: andyb@wndrsvr.la.ca.us (Andy Brager)
Newsgroups: news.software.b,comp.mail.multi-media,comp.multimedia
Subject: multimedia news (Re: stripping underlines from incoming news?)
Date: 12 Apr 92 00:40:04 GMT
Followup-To: comp.mail.multi-media,comp.multimedia
Organization: Wonder Server - Public Access for SoCal

brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:

>While underlining isn't part of any defined standard, the fact that
>RN did it is strong encouragement for other newsreader authors to do it.

>Of course, the real answer is to define some sort of "rich text" format,
>like the Microsoft one, or the Andrew one, and put a header in definining
>the format of the text, with the default being Ascii, or Ascii with
>underlining.

>Other formats such as "binary with text header" and "gif with text
>header" would be great to have too, though all could be subsumed into
>an appropriate multimedia format.

How about a multimedia format such as MIME, which in theory is already
a part of Pine, the successor to Elm which doesn't relate well at all
to the subject of newsreaders :) ?

Note followup line please.

Andy
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From: cudep@warwick.ac.uk (Ian Dickinson)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: Really ugly inews feature request
Date: 15 Apr 92 09:44:20 GMT
Organization: Team Limpid's Meathead With Aptitude - Kunst und Wahnsinn

In article <1992Apr9.172032.2093@Warren.MENTORG.COM> tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
>If there are multiple newsgroups on the line, pick the first newsgroup
>that has a matching signature file.  If none do, start looking for
>hierarchy names.  (i.e. posting to foo.bar.baz would search for
>.signature.foo.bar.baz, .signature.foo.bar, and .signature.foo, before
>defaulting to .signature.

Feeping creature indeed, but I'd like to see this too,
though I still think the posting program is the right place to put this.
Shouldn't be too hard to hack into Pnews et al.

>With inews being re-written in C, this really shouldn't be too difficult.
>A couple of stat()s wouldn't slow posting down much :-).

True, but how much posting goes on at the average site?
Not enough for a few stats to kill a machine, I'll wager.

Cheers,
-- 
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From: swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: Help needed installing C News
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:58:40 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.103924.2268@ducvax.auburn.edu>, swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
> Greetings,
> 
> I am trying to install C-NEWS and NNTPD on a SUN ELC workstation.   I can't
> seem to get everything to work.  Maybe some of you have seen the same

Several people wrote to tell me that my problem was a spacefor problem. 
Thanks to all of you for your help!
-- 
David Swanger,   Auburn University,   swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu 
"Slight movement during exposure is often the cause of serious degradation of 
 image quality, although photographers often seem to prefer to blame their 
 equipment, usually criticizing the lens quality!", Ansel Adams, THE CAMERA.
Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: stripping underlines from incoming news?
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<1992Apr11.054457.7679@clarinet.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 22:10:25 GMT

 Brad> == Brad Templeton <brad@clarinet.com> 

 Brad> Of course, the real answer is to define some sort of "rich text"
 Brad> format, like the Microsoft one, or the Andrew one, and put a
 Brad> header in definining the format of the text, with the default
 Brad> being Ascii, or Ascii with underlining.

 Brad> Other formats such as "binary with text header" and "gif with text
 Brad> header" would be great to have too, though all could be subsumed into
 Brad> an appropriate multimedia format.

Like MIME, preferably, to keep the commonality with e-mail that we've
had since the B news article format came about.  Mail and news are first
cousins, and should be kept in reasonable sync as much as possible.

MIME has a reasonable richtext format, which is both usable and readable
on non-MIME-aware systems.

The discussion on MIME is going on on the ietf-822 mailing list; mail
ietf-822-rdis@dimacs.rutgers.edu to get involved.  MIME drafts are
available from your friendly neighborhood internet-drafts archive.
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