HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: doc@magna.com (Matthew J. D'Errico)
Subject: Re: W4W 2.0: "File too large to save" (bug?)
Keywords: Windows Word File Save Bug
Organization: Magna Software Corporation
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:38:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.053233.28383@philips.oz.au> dave@philips.oz.au (David Torr) writes:
>I have always (so far) been able to get out of it using "Save as" and giving the file a different name - of course you need enough disk space to do this and
>it gets tedious keeping track of the multiple file copies but it seems to work.

This has worked for me as well on smaller documents, but on some of the
larger ones, saving as a Word doc, even with another name doesn't work...

The solution suggested to me by the MicroSoft tech support which *always*
works (provided of course I have enough disk space to begin with), is
to do a "Save As" and save the document as a RTF file...

They told me that the problem is a corruption in the internal Word Format
which saving as another word doc won't clean up...  Saving as RTF then
reopening cleans this up, I've experienced no data or formatting loss at
all, and again, it's worked for me *every* time...

Oh, yeah...  I haven't had this problem in 2.0B yet, but it's still too
early to call it for sure...

Regards --

-- Doc
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: arm@helix.nih.gov (Andrew Mitz)
Subject: Re: Winword -- changin licensed to name
Followup-To: com.os.ms-windows.apps
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:27:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.204723.28253@tijc02.uucp> eri316@tijc02.uucp (Ed Ingraham         ) writes:
>From article <1992Oct05.230350.1677497@locus.com>, by jpaul@locus.com (James Hensley):
>> I installed winword 2.0 on a machine here in the office.  I put the name
>> of our last office manager for the 'licensed to' name.  He's now left, and
>> the new guy doesn't want the old guy's name on it any more.  I called
>> gateway tech support (it came bundled with some 486s), and they didn't 
>> know how to do this.  I can't find it in any manual, either.  I am posing 
>> the question here before I call the microsoft 900 number.  Any clues
>
>
>To change the registered user info in WFW, you need to reinstall WFW.
>If you originally installed WFW from the distribution disks rather than
>from a copy, the setup program changed the file WWORD20.INF. Restore
>the following 2 lines in WWORD20.INF before you install WFW and it will
>once again ask you to enter your name.
>
>[user]
>vXR26xdEtgjkas@2346gfvbnmm122882fPt201?s2qQa1234567890
>Txny9k4vuyJeffjo281ion09n638ks23.56sTossWzJt1234567890

Very interesting.  I just installed WFW 2.0B.  I copied disk 1 and
protected the others.  It worked fine, so only disk 1 is overwritten
(as this last post suggests).


Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: arm@helix.nih.gov (Andrew Mitz)
Subject: Re: Word vs WordPerfect
Followup-To: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Keywords: WFW vs WPW
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 03:37:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.031044.25828@wam.umd.edu> mmeltzer@wam.umd.edu writes:
>
>For those of you out there who have used the latest version of both of  
>these word processors, what are your opinions, and which one do you like
>better?
>
>For those of you who only use one, what are your opinions?

I only use Word.  It is easy enough to use at first, but is very
difficult to learn all of its features.  You have to force yourself
to really learn enough to benefit from its power.  Once that is done,
it is an amazingly powerful wordprocessor.  I highly recommend it
for folks who do long or complex manuscripts.

What I have heard:  Word for Windows is much more powerful than
Word perfect for windows.  There is a special Help menu item in Word
for Windows for people who already know WP.  Finally, you might consider
Ami Pro, which is about as powerful as Word, but easier to use.


-------------------------------------------------
Andrew Mitz          |    NIH Animal Center
Biomedical Engineer  |    Poolesville, MD
-------------------------------------------------

All opinions expressed are my own.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:35:50 EDT
From: <HCM100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: 256 Color bitmaps.

Does anyone know an FTP site for 256 color wallpaper?  I'm sick of looking
at the same old 16 color wallpaper and would like to use my hardware to
it's capacity.  Thanks.

*  Hans C. Masing        |  "When you go in for a job interview, I  *
*  HCM100@PSUVM.psu.edu  |   think a good thing to ask is if they   *
*  Penn State MIS Dept.  |   ever press charges." - Jack Handey     *
From: dwj@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Daniel W. James)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Re: FractInt
Date: 11 Oct 92 14:02:04 GMT
Reply-To: ccpoabt!dan@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US
Organization: CCPOA Benefit Trust Fund

Dave.Beaujean@davespc.mi.org (Dave Beaujean) writes:

:)I just picked up this program for windows called
:)FRACTINT. Does anyone know what this software is used
:)for? I only have a guess that it is for creating
:)3-d pictures from 2-d pictures, MAYBE?!? I am

Fractint is a fractal image generator.  One of it's many features is to
load a 2-d gif file and create a 3-d picture.

If you have fun playing with it, I recommend getting the latest version of
Fractint for DOS (available at Simtel).  The DOS version has many features
not included in the Windows version.
-- 
____________________________________________________________________________
Some folks try to multiply from sunrise to  |  ccpoabt!dwj@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US
Sunset--leave behind more of their kind so  |...!pacbell!sactoh0!ccpoabt!dwj
no one will forget             -- Level 42  |          dwj@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US
From: dszego@srvtech (David Szego)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Windows UseNet Programs
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 20:59:50 EDT
Reply-To: dszego%srvtech@canrem.com (David Szego)
Organization: The Servants Of Technology Inc. (Toronto, Canada)

Pardon my ignorance, but are there any UUCP/UseNet programs for Windows? 
I'd like to use something a little more powerful than Waffle (for DOS).

According to the newest PC-Mag, cc:Mail by Lotus has a UUCP gateway, but 
I thought cc:Mail was made to be a LAN program, which means it's a little 
too big and expensive for my personal use.

Any replies should probably be posted, as I think this would be of 
interest to some people, but please e-mail me if this is a FAQ, or common 
knowledge.

Thanks,
David Szego.

DSzego%SrvTech@canrem.com
From: rwb00@loon.as (Robert W Beveridge)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Re: General Prot. Fault Excel and Backmnu
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:23:41 GMT
Reply-To: rwb00@loon.as
Organization: Sun Microsystems


In article HF@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca, roger@wateol.uwaterloo.ca (Roger De Abreu) writes:
>
>I consistantly get the following error in Excel when I have 5 or more of my 
>data charts open and their accompanying worksheet:
>
>Backmenu has caused a general protection fault in 
>Module krnl386.exe @ 0001:831B
>
>I then have to reboot the machine, the 3-fingered salute doesn't work.
>
>If I remove backmenu I don't get the problems.  Can anyone explain the error
>to me ?  Anyone experience this ?  Any solutions outside of not running 
>backmenu.
>
>Please note that I have Dropper running as well.  I understand it can cause
>problems with backmenu.
>
>ALSO
>
>The other day I was running Excel at full tilt.  I closed the application and
>then tried to restart it.  It informed me that  I didn't have enought memory
>to run Excel, although no other apps were running at that time and I 
>was supposed to have 8242 K left.  Word would start up but Excel 4.0 would not
>
>Anyone have any ideas?
>
>Thanx in advance...rogman
>
>P.S.  Excel 4.0 is the version, newest backmenu also

I don't have the answer you want, but I did experience these same problems with
Excel and Backmenu - which is why I don't use Backmenu.
From: 5916rahmank@vms.csd.mu.edu (K. M. A. Rahman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Re: program for connecting two machines (xtree/w?)
Date: 16 Oct 1992 15:46:40 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 5916rahmank@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu

In article <fg3zssr@rpi.edu>, gilem@aix.rpi.edu (Michael R. Gile) writes:
|>I am looking for a program which will allow me to connect 
|>2 pc's together, allowing access to each others drives.
|>I have heard that xtree for windows can do this... is 
|>this true?  can I get a demo copy?  Would it be worthwhile
|>to go with a couple of lan cards instead?
|>
|>thanks for your input in advance
|>
|>
|>Mike
|>gilem@rpi.edu


	I donno about xtree. But there is laplink and fastlynx (sp?)
	with superb performance.

	-Anis.
Xref: sparky comp.os.ms-windows.apps:3856 comp.os.ms-windows.misc:3909
From: aftab@natinst.com (Aftab Saleem)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps,comp.os.ms-windows.misc
Subject: MacDraft for Windows
Keywords: Request for Information
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:30:14 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: usa
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: eagle.natinst.com

If you have used this CAD program by Innovative Data Design, please share some
information about it with me.  I am specifically interested in finding out about
any user-interface problems and deficiencies that you have encountered in 
using the program.  These problems may consist of lack of consistency, lack of 
intuitiveness, clumsiness in using certain features, poor feedback or any other
design deficiencies that make the product difficult to use.  If you have any
ideas on how these problems should be fixed, please include those in your 
message also.  I would appreciate if you email directly to me at
	aftab@natinst.com
as soon as possible.

Thank you in advance for your input.
From: cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Ami Pro 3.0 Question
Date: 11 Oct 92 21:16:52 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology



Hi,
Fellow Ami Pro users, I was wondering if
I could use things like the spell checker and thesaurus
off the floppy.  I installed the program
but dont have the HD space for the whold shebang that
is 15 MEGS.  Can I run the Spell checker and stuff
and just get a prompt like:

"Please Insert Disk X and hit Return"

or something?  This would really suck If I cant
run the other stuff just because I dont
have the HD room.
Thanks for any info.


Derek
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: bwong@beach.csulb.edu (Bradley Wong)
Subject: FMaker Upgrade Offer (Was: Re: FrameMaker pricing question)
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:04:09 GMT

I noticed that FrameMaker just announced an upgrade special for
its PC-Windows version. I believe it was $379 (1/2-off of list)
and you bring your competing-product copyright manual page in to 
your local FMaker dealer...

Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: shenoy@iastate.edu (Shiva Shenoy)
Subject: Re: Error bar in scatter plot with Excel 4.
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:07:53 GMT

In <Bvw1xG.86z@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:

...stuff deleted..

>Even better would be a developer's toolkit with the ability to 
>compile, so someone can actually distribute user-written graph-
>ing modules.

Actually the developer's kit is available for about $25 from Microsoft (the
beta version). The final version will be out real soon in the form of a book
from MS Press with diskettes for windows and macs. It will probably cost
around $50. 
-- 
Shiva Shenoy                           | e-mail: shenoy@iastate.edu 
2066 Black,                            | Office: (515)-294-0082
Dept. of Aero. Engg. & Engg. Mechanics | Home  : (515)-296-7640
Iowa State University, Ames, IA 50010  |
From: ggirard@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Greg Girard)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Re: Procomm + and Zmodem
Date: 7 Oct 1992 00:12:11 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

to5232@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

>In article <1apvplINNhom@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, ggirard@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Greg Girard) writes:
>> Actually, under version 1.00, Procomm Plus can't handle file names that
>> exceed the maximum number of characters for a MS-DOS filename.  Instead,
>> you will get a nice little "file creation error" message down at the 
>> bottom of the screen.  This happened to me a few times before I saw the 
>> message and caught on to what was happening.  The good news is, that the
>> maintenance release took care of this problem (among other).  With 
>> version 1.01, filenames that are too long will be truncated.  However,
>> if you are still using version 1.00, "file creation errors" might be
>> your problem if you are having trouble downloading.

>Where can one get this maintenance release?  Do you have to call Datastorm for
>it or does CICA have it?

The last I knew, it was in the /pub/pc/win3/uploads directory at CICA
(ftp.cica.indiana.edu).  The file you'll want to look for is
maint1.exe.  And while you are there, in that same directory, you
might want to get, wmodems.com.  It is a self extracting version of
Procomm Plus for Window's, latest modem configuration file,
wmodems.dat.
-- 
Greg Girard                 |Bitnet:    ggirard@ksuvm
Kansas State University     |Internet:  ggirard@ksuvm.ksu.edu
Manhattan, Kansas           |           ggirard@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: mai@cc.uow.edu.au (Van Dao Mai)
Subject: ATM to TrueType
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 02:36:34 GMT

Can TrueType font be converted to ATM and vice versa?
Has any one experience with using CorelDraw to create
ATM and TT fonts. It bombed on me when I tried to
export into existing font file I used as template.

Thanks in advance

Van Dao MAI
Wollongong University
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: rg9538@ehsn7.cen.uiuc.edu (Ronald E Garnett)
Subject: Re: Ami Pro - 2 questions
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:20:27 GMT

Jon.Biddell@unsw.edu.au (Jon Biddell) writes:

>In article <rg9538.717702644@ehsn14.cen.uiuc.edu> rg9538@ehsn14.cen.uiuc.edu (Ronald E Garnett) writes:

>>gerry@cmu.edu (Gerry Roston) writes:
>>
>>>1-Can Ami Pro (in my case, V2.0) produce Postscript output?  I don't
>>>think so, but I'll ask...
>>
>>Ami Pro 2.0 (I assume that's only a windows thing?)  Sure it can!
>>Just select the postscript driver.  If you don't have one loaded,
>>then you will have to install it through Print Manager.  If you
>>are talking about exporting to EPS (encapsulated PostScript), then
>>I don't remember for sure, but it's a possibility.  Just try 
>>either an export (if that's an option) or doing a SAVE AS and then  
>>try choosing EPS for the file type. 


>No no no.... Install the Postscript Driver and connect it to a file. When 
>this driver is selected it will prompt you for a filename to print to.
>No NOT use the Apple LaserWriter driver, as it prints a PS header then a 
>bitmap.


Since he didn't say exactly what it was he wanted, then I stand by my original
post.  If a PostScript, printer-ready file is desired, then he should include
the header.  If an importable Encapsulated PostScript file is desired, then
leaving the header off is a good idea.  

You say not to use the Apple LaserWriter driver since it prints a PS header
then a bitmap.  But you should be given the option of NOT printing the
header if you wish.  The LaserWriter driver is just a subset of the Postscript
driver, isn't it?              


Xref: sparky comp.os.ms-windows.apps:3621 comp.os.ms-windows.misc:3707
From: sph0301@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps,comp.os.ms-windows.misc
Subject: Re: HELP! Need to get DEC Pathworks 4.1 on NDIS to work with WinQVT/NET
Date: 9 Oct 1992 16:08:47 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Organization: Univ. of Texas School of Public Health

In article <1992Oct9.104659.13598@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> egntoh@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Toh Guan Nge) writes:
>
>I follow your instruction but end up with all the decnet services stopped.
>the NCSA telnet and WinQvtNet did work with the packet driver.
>I am using an intel EtherExpress card, with pathwork ver 4.0.
>

>my protocol.ini is shown below:

	[some of protocol.ini deleted]

>[PKTDRV]
> DRIVERNAME = PKTDRV$
> BINDINGS = EXP16.DOS
> INTVEC = 0x7E         <--------------------
> CHAINVEC = 0x7E

	[remainder of protocol.ini deleted]

With the help of Walt's instructions I was finally able to get Winqvt
working with Pathworks yesterday.  The main problem turned out to be
the 'INTVEC' setting in my protocol.ini file.  INTVEC=0x78 worked fine
with NCSA Telnet/FTP but Winqvt didn't like it at all... changing it
to 0x60 (or 0x62) fixed the problem.  (Be sure to change it in the
qvt_tcp.rc file also.)

kate wilson


Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps,comp.os.ms-windows.misc
From: cids05@vaxa.strath.ac.uk (Dr Stephen K Tagg)
Subject: Re: Error bar in scatter plot with Excel 4.
Organization: Univ of Strathclyde, GLASGOW, SCOTLAND
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:15:55 GMT

In article <00961C8B.E0368660@vms.csd.mu.edu>, 5916rahmank@vms.csd.mu.edu (K. M. A. Rahman) writes:
> In article <g7gp69+@lynx.unm.edu>, tkeitt@algodones.unm.edu (Timothy Keitt) writes:
> 	Thanks for the suggestions. I have followed something
> 	similar to what has been outlined here. What I was able to
> 	get is something like
> 
> 			-
> 
> 		   x    o    x
> 
> 	                -
> 	this. That is I have 5 different plot in one graph. I haven't
> 	found any way to draw the lines to connect the points (o's)
> 	to the errors (x's and -'s). Only way it could be done is
> 	to draw lines by the mouse manually. But I have ~200 points
> 	in each plot!!
> 
> 	Looks like I have to find something else than excel...
> 
> 	-Anis.

Why not look up Tufte on Graphical Displays?
The suggestion there is that error bars are far too much chart-junk
and you would do better with bullets with just lines going out to plus
and minus 1 std error or whatever. Might make plotting easier though
I can't quite think how you would even generate just the lines of the
top of my head.
I was impressed that systat could do these things with no problem (even
symmetric ones with mean and std error only as your input), however some
other correspondent suggested the package was unstable (anyhow I can't afford
it as well as Excel).
-- 
Dr Stephen K Tagg                   Bsc in Psychology, PhD in Architecture
Lecturer, Department of Marketing   IT & Stats for Marketing, Consumer Research
Univ of Strathclyde, GLASGOW        Mental Maps, Multidimensional Scaling, CSCW
G4 0RQ, SCOTLAND Tel 041-552-4400x2409 Fax 552 2802 Email s.k.tagg@uk.ac.strath
From: mccashin@unixg.ubc.ca (Brian McCashin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Re: WinQVT/NET: Keyboard map problem
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:06:43 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In <1992Oct14.232415.22443@cheops.qld.tne.oz.au> trappetj@cheops.qld.tne.oz.au (John Trappett @ Telecom Australia) writes:

>Could someone please tell me how to insert an escape sequence into
>the keyboard map definer in WinQVT/NET

Just use ctrl key "^[" So ESC-A would be ^[A

Brian
-- 
 Brian McCashin                            Internet: mccashin@unixg.ubc.ca
 Senior Programmer/Analyst                 Phone: 604-822-5502
 Centre For Health Services and Policy Research
 University of British Columbia, Vancouver CANADA
From: 87p0786@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Summary (RE: TypeType Font Format?)
Date: 14 Oct 92 11:35:45 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

>    Does anyone know what is the format/structure of TrueType Font?
Here is information I got from several people:

The TrueType Font Specification are available via anonymous ftp from 
ftp.uu.net, in the directory /vendor/microsoft/TrueType-Info:

The files named ttspec[123].zip, contain the TrueType Font Specification 
in Word for Windows 2.0 format. It has more than 400 pages.

tt-help.zip contains TTF sepecification in Win3.1 Help format. 


Thanks for everyone who have heen helpful.

Hongbo
~~~~~~
From: 5916rahmank@vms.csd.mu.edu (K. M. A. Rahman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Re: Error bar in scatter plot with Excel 4.
Date: 8 Oct 1992 17:16:15 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 5916rahmank@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsd.csd.mu.edu

In article <g7gp69+@lynx.unm.edu>, tkeitt@algodones.unm.edu (Timothy Keitt) writes:
|>Your right that excel won't plot error bars on scatter plots.
|>I take it that you want to plot symbols of some kind with a
|>cross showing the error in both x and y directions. You might
|>be able to trick excel into doing what you want by building
|>a separate set of data series containing the error values.
|>For example:
|>
|>	x	y
|>	1	100
|>	2	120
|>	3	135
|>	.	.
|>	.	.
|>	.	.
|>
|>error bars in the vertical direction:
|>
|>	1	100+ey1	2	120+ey2	3	135+ey3	...
|>	1	100-ey1	2	120-ey2	3	135-ey3	...
|>	(make each one a separate series)
|>
|>for error bars in the horizontal direction:
|>
|>	1-ex1	100	2-ex2	120	3-ex3	135	...
|>	1+ex1	100	2+ex2	120	3+ex3	135	...
|>
|>where ex1 is the error in the x direction, etc. Note also
|>that you'll have to use paste special when adding these
|>new series to the chart (select catagories in 1st column).
|>I haven't tried this but excel should plot each of these
|>coordinate pairs as a line segment representing the error
|>at each point.
|>
|>Of course, for a large data set you'll need to write a
|>macro (unless you really like copying and pasting cells :-)
|>Better yet call MS and complain about the excel's
|>ridiculously anemic plotting routines. Excel's great
|>if you want to do silly picture graphs, but almost
|>worthless for many scientific plots. I've found ways
|>to overcome many of excel's limitations, but its getting
|>old, quick!
|>
|>T.

	Thanks for the suggestions. I have followed something
	similar to what has been outlined here. What I was able to
	get is something like

			-

		   x    o    x

	                -
	this. That is I have 5 different plot in one graph. I haven't
	found any way to draw the lines to connect the points (o's)
	to the errors (x's and -'s). Only way it could be done is
	to draw lines by the mouse manually. But I have ~200 points
	in each plot!!

	Looks like I have to find something else than excel...

	-Anis.
From: sgw@boy.com (Steven Warner)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Re: Aldus IntelliDraw?
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:41:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: boy.1992Oct09.204150.10150
Organization: Beach Systems / RTFM UN*X Solutions, Sunnyvale, CA, USA


I bought it, and returned it.  The product impresses me as a toy,
many other drawing packages are better.

A few problems I noted, and confirmed with tech support:

Intellidraw supports only 16 colors on the screen.  It does dither,
but compared to almost every other drawing  program, it is a joke.

Intellidraw does not support cut and paste to the clipboard
_RELIABLY_.  Try cut and paste of the demo, FAN, that they provide,
to another application.

The program has very VERY few export options.  I think TWO.  For
non-postscript users, it is a serious limitation.  ANd the exports
are S-L-O-W.

It has NO GRID.

On the other side, it has very nice liner color gradient settings, layers,
and symmetry.

I recommend buying it (as with anything) from a stroe with a good
return policy
-Steve

----
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 sgw@boy.com    [ ess gee double you at boy dot com ]
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