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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:15:11 EDT
From:         Leonard Boyle <LENBOYLE@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: ?: Kermit
              20 Aug 1992 14:01:01 EST from <IPWP400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>

On Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:01:01 EST Phillip Paxton / IT said:
>Has anyone else had difficulties uploading files to SFS using Kermit?
>
>I couldn't find any hits in the list archives.
>
>Thanks.
>
You might want  to try the latest version now stored in the test region
at columbia. It has new code to check the SFS to see if you have enought
quota left to receive the file.

                                  Len Boyle
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From:         Phillip Paxton / IT <IPWP400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      ?: Kermit
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Has anyone else had difficulties uploading files to SFS using Kermit?

I couldn't find any hits in the list archives.

Thanks.

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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:07:30 EST
From:         Phillip Paxton / IT <IPWP400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      ?-"QUERY LIMITS"
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I've scanned the list archives and not found this addressed yet.

IBM is scratching their heads as are we:

We have approximately 2'100 users enrolled to SFS (MAXUSERS=3'000)
and when we "QUERY LIMITS ALL" from an administrative account,
we only see the first eighty-five records.

If we query each user (i.e. QUERY LIMITS FOR <user>) we are able
to retrieve the information.

Any ideas?

Thanks.

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From: xmas@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mark A. Stevens)
Subject: SFS & broken DASD
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 21:08:35 GMT

Here I am again, another Saturday shot to, well, you get the drift.
Why am I here?  Because I had a data check on a volume belonging to
VMSERVU.  And the spindle really has two logical volumes on it, so I
have to replace two, not just one.  It would be nice if I could DDR the
one and rebuild the missing volume, but no, not with SFS.  Shoot, I
can't even tell who has what on that volume!  It's times like this I
miss minidisks.

If this is the shape of things to come (system managed storage) I want
off this train.

P.S.  VM/SP 6 @ SLU 613 (9101 + bucket) on a 4381-R14 using CDC 33502s
(sort of like smaller 3380-A04s, but with only one r/w assy instead of
two.)

-- 
Mark A. Stevens                           Phone:    708-534-0200
Systems Programmer                        Internet: xmas@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
Educational Computing Network             BITNET:   XMAS@ECNUXA.BITNET
Board of Governors Universities           VMSHARE:  ECE/MARK
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:10:00 CST
From:         Jay Falck <JFALCK%DIR.DECNET@RELAY.THE.NET>
Subject:      Re: ?: Kermit
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The FTP site for KERMIT is WATSON.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU. There are 2 KERMIT
directories (KERMIT, and KERMIT2).

Jay Falck                          internet: jfalck@ocs.dir.texas.gov
VM System Programmer               phone: 512-389-4986
Texas Parks & Wildlife Dept
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Date:         Tue, 11 Aug 1992 12:15:30 EDT
From:         "Matthew Norman/ Deaf guy" <CAMN%CATCC.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      See how the d/Deaf labelled ....
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> =
> Note 3.206                     Captioned TV Shows                     206 of
> 209
> RITVAX::TAR1443                                       5 lines   5-AUG-1992
> 14:06
>                                 -< Of course! >-
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
>     Harom is in it. And MM doesn't acts like real deaf people. They reacts
                                                    ############
>     							FORBIDDEN KID
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
> ==============================================================================
> =
> Note 3.207                     Captioned TV Shows                     207 of
> 209
> RITVAX::JRC1947 "Event Horizon"                       9 lines   5-AUG-1992
> 17:16
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
>
>
>       2.  She's deaf like me, so I can fire up my fantasies (hell with the
             #################
>
>       EH  :-)
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> ==============================================================================

  See, how they called themselves.  "I am d/Deaf", "Deaf like me",
and, "I am hard of hearing".  It's a shame that I've noticed that
most of hearing people who are arguing about which one should we d
used "Hearing Impaired" or "d/Deaf or Hard of Hearing".IT IS NOT FOR
HEARING PEOPLE TO DECIDED WHICH NAME WE SHOULD CALL THOSE d/DEAF
HEARING PEOPLE.  How would you like it if we, d/Deaf, called you
hearing people "Sign Language Impaired".  If I ever see you guys
use Hearing Impaired,  I'm gonna call you hearie Sign Language
Impaired.  Let the d/Deaf or Hard of Hearing people make the
decision, NOT YOU HEARIES.  I am sorry to be a bit bold, but I have
no choice.  I want you to understand most of d/Deaf or Hard of Hearing's
point.


________________________________________________________________________

  Matthew Norman,
    - Vice-President, Cardinal Club of   CATONSVILLE COMMUNITY COLLEGE
           the Deaf                      800 South Rolling Road
    - Data Communication Technican       CATONSVILLE MD 21228
    -"Deaf guy"
                                 BITNET ID
                                 ---------
 Personal                  - CAMN@CATCC.BITNET
 Cardinal Club of the Deaf - CA35@CATCC.BITNET
 Computer Service          - C5AE@CATCC.BITNET
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:37:52 EDT
From:         "Dave Windley, Data Comm Specialist X799" <AADW@CATCC.BITNET>
Subject:      Easier to be Deaf than LGB?
X-To:         DEAF-L%SIUCVMB.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu

> I have heard many stories talking about how people 'knew' they were
> LBG by the time they were in puberty.
>
      I knew that I was different than all the other guys by middle
      school, but I did not realize or identify with the labels
      Lesbian/Gay/Bisexual until after puberty.  I had no role models,
      or people to identify with.  All I knew was that since about 9
      years of age, I had a neiborhood boy I was attracted to.  Kids
      know only feelings, not labels.


> I would think its easier to try LBG then it is to try Deafness
> only because it is something that is apparent when the child is a baby.
> (most of the time). But LBGism doesnt manifest itself until the person
> reaches puberty or the beginnings of sexual awareness.
>
>
> Adam

      Adam:

      I agree with you.  The conflict with being LBG and society does
      not begin nearly as early in life as it does with those persons
      who are born deaf.  Good point.  Thanks for your input.
======================================================================
   Dave Windley,                       Catonsville Community College
      Data Communications Specialist          800 South Rolling Road
      Sign Interpreter                     CATONSVILLE MD 21228-9987
      GLBO Co-Founder                          Voice: (410) 455-4799
      ITR Club Vice President                             AADW@CATCC
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From: 11telliott@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Zarathustra)
Subject: Re: Deaf or Hearing-Impaired. Who gives a crap!
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:35:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.071418.10736@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, rwr2875@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Robert Rice) writes:
> C'mon. And when I say c'mon, I mean C'MON! Why do some people feel the need
> to try to convince others that a word choice is better than another? Does it really matter? Is one going to complain when a Hawaiian hits the continental 
> mainland and starts goin' around sayin' "Aloha" when the accepted standard of speech would be a simple hello or howdy. Why do we need to force ourselves to 
> choose? It's really that simple. People have their own opinions and 
> orientations and its theirs to manipulate and to express. But please, don't
> try to force it on others! Can't we see a day where we can just read an 
> article, titled, " [insert issue] for the deaf" and say to ourselves, 
> silently, "This guy felt inhibited to use the term deaf. His choice!"
> Too all these picky, obstinate people out there, "Chill out!"
> 
> Peace!
> 
> Robert Rice
-- 
I never said that the wording should be imposed a l facism- However, I
question the wisdom and motive behind those terminology one chooses to use. Of
course, this is America, and I wouldn't have any way otherwise. They're
perfectly free to say Aloha or Bugger off, or Strewth or in this case, hearing
impaired. But it does provoke questions and inspired discussion to understand
each other's viewpoints. Many thanks for bringing it up,
Todd Elliott
11TELLIOTT@GALLUJ (Bitnet)
11TELLIO@GALLUX.GALLAUDET.EDU (Internet)
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Date:         Sat, 15 Aug 1992 14:59:00 CDT
From:         CONLEY%MSUVX2@MEMSTVX1.BITNET
Subject:      Esther!

        Hi Esther,


#Well, I've rambled enough... I've typed too much.  Time to go put more
#Ben Gay on my arms and take some more aspirin.
#--------------------------------------------------------------------
#Esther Paris, Raytheon EDL, Marlborough, MA esther@demand.ed.ray.com

        BTW, I 've wanted to ask you, but always forgot.  What have
        you done about your CTS?  Any surgery at all?

        There was a good article in our Sunday paper, 8-9-92,
        about CTS and remedies to help.  Also, I know several
        people in Memphis here who have had the surgery,
        (I think there are several options but, only two
        operation procedures CTS patients can use), and every
        person I've seen has told me that these two operations
        work fine.  (Wish I had the article with me).  Anyway,
        both involve cutting into the wrist; the easier one,
        cuts only 3/4" and the other, (more involved and a
        little more serious), cuts about 1 1/2" or 2".
        As I said, everyone that I know of that has had this
        procedure, seems to be happy to have done it and are
        doing fine.  This also may have something to do with
        the expert medical facilities, staff, etc.. in the
        Memphis area.  (Not bragging, but it is true.)


                                Gotta run,
                                Steven Conlee
                                CONLEY@MEMSTVX1.MEMST.EDU
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:48:00 MDT
From:         The Shadow <THESHADO@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>
Subject:      RE: one word curiosity
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>character to watch.  Before that he didn't really have a name sign.  Kay
>Lochman has never been given a name sign, as far as I can tell.  Ideas?

Just a guess -- Kay is quite easy to fingerspell.  Andrew C takes a bit
more finger power.  Also, AC was the defendant in court, and I've noticed
that in the show, all the defendants are identified with sign names.


Kirk Haines
theshado@outlaw.uwyo.edu
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:17:17 EDT
From:         -- <sipb7@ATHENA.MIT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: labels, descriptive terms
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              10 Aug 92 16:58:49 -0400. <9208141619.AA03980@Athena.MIT.EDU>

    Cathy Brandt says:
    BTW began putting my classroom together today.  Had a thought as I
    walked the halls.  I saw Primary Class, Third Grade, etc.  On my door
    is Hearing Impaired.  Now, curious to know do the deaf people on this
    list think that the label should not be on my door?

Some alternative labels for y'all to consider:

Room 413

Cathy's Room

The Thomas Hopkins Gallaudet Memorial Classroom

The Room With The Green Door, Next To The Girls' Bathroom, No, Not
That One, The Other Room, The One With The Broken Doorknob

etc.

--
::: A fundamentalist preacher who can't read Hebrew deserves as much  :::
::: attention as a heart surgeon who has never handled a stethoscope. :::
seth gordon  <sipb7@athena.mit.edu>   . . . these opinions for rent
the learning center for deaf children . . . associate teacher-counselor
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 06:41:15 EDT
From:         Chris Hafemeister-Salage <CHSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: one word curiosity
              18 Aug 1992 12:07:39 EDT from <esther@DEMAND.ED.RAY.COM>

On Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:07:39 EDT Esther A. Paris said:
>
>I do like how "Reasonable Doubts" makes a point of showing technology that
>is for <insert phrase encompassing all people who use assistive technology
>because of a hearing loss here> people.  Examples I've seen are:
>
>Esther Paris, Raytheon EDL, Marlborough, MA -- esther@demand.ed.ray.com
>"Hope her God isn't stuck in the metal detector in Boston.  Hope her
>God is not lost with my luggage in Houston.  I want to land safe tonight."
>-- Christina Olson (paraphrased due to my poor memory.)

Esther:

Oh noooo! GOTCHA!! Ur <insert phrase...> gave no recognition to those born
with no hearing. Hearing loss??? Careful. Ha ha.

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Chris Hafemeister-Salage
CHSHC @ CUNYVM
CHSHC @ CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 01:20:24 EDT
From:         Chris Hafemeister-Salage <CHSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Deaf and H.O.H. vs. hearing impaired

On Fri, 7 Aug 1992 15:12:00 -0400 Miriam Clifford said:

>Jeff says, ". . . Christianity is so dominant in this culture . . ." and I
>say so is hearing.  Even more so, probably.  I have to agree with Jeff that
>"there seems to be no clear right or wrong about this issue" and, given the
>amount of time and energy spent on something so nebulous, maybe we need to
>get to work on some of the substantive issues that must be solved for the
>hearing impaired people of the nation.
>
>dmimi@ecsvax.uncecs.edu  dmimi@ecsvax.bitnet
>Miriam (Mimi) Clifford; 2535 Sevier St, Durham, NC 27705; 919-489-4821

Miriam

Though, as some people point out, not all people the hearing world wud call
-> hearing impaired <- are offended by such term, it is important for us to
have free and open discussion of this. It is not a trivial point. Many many
Deaf r at least uncomfortable w/such labels, and to ignore this wud ignore
much of the Community. It is possible many of the Community who say they
accept this term, have only learned to live with it as better than MUTE or
DUMB.

The name (term if u must) Deaf was in the Community longer than many of us
have lived. And bec so many of the Community prefer this name, I do not
understand the strong resistance against it.

However, u r right we have many other issues to be resolved and I am curious
which u believe to be more important. Maybe we can continue to discuss this
name issue and begin some other very serious posts. Wht wud ur suggestions
be Miriam.

************************
Chris Hafemeister-Salage
CHSHC @ CUNYVM
CHSHC @ CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
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Date:         Sat, 15 Aug 1992 07:10:43 -0400
From:         Miriam Clifford <DMIMI@ECSVAX.BITNET>
Subject: Re: See how the d/Deaf labelled ....

Matthew:

I am hard of hearing and, thus, hearing impaired.  I don't find the term
hearing impaired offensive.  And I do wish you would not speak for me or
the many other hard of hearing AND deaf people I know.  You, personally,
don't like to be referred to as hearing impaired.  That's fine.  BUT LEAVE
ME ALONE to use and accept whatever terms I find acceptable.
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 10:53:17 -0700
From:         Vicki Brown <vlb@MAGIC.AUX.APPLE.COM>
Subject:      Re: labels, descriptive terms
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"Matthew Norman/ Deaf guy" <CAMN%CATCC.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu> says:

>I have never heard of calling African-American, Indian, or Spanish
>people "White Impaired".

Actually, wouldn't the "white people" be "Melanin Impaired"?  :*)

  Vicki Brown
  A/UX Development Group            Apple Computer, Inc., Cupertino, CA
  Internet: vlb@apple.com           AppleLink: VICKI.BROWN
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From: fak9957@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Frank Kruppenbacher)
Subject: Random thoughts
Reply-To: fak9957@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11:58:12 GMT

Hello,
	Roy:  You came all the way to NTID and didn't look me up?? We could
have gone fishin'.  Can you send me an e-mail about your fishin' trip with your
son?  I'm always in the mood for a fishin' trip tale.
	Reasonable Doubts:  Since when is TV expected to show an accurate
depection of anything?  Since when is Marlee Matlin supposed to be a model Deaf
person?  Since when is Mark Harmon supposed to be a model CODA?  They are as
they are-either as actors in those roles or as themselves pretending to be a
Deaf lawyer or a CODA cop.  The program is flawed for sure.  But one thing
comes through very clear. Deafness is viewed as no big deal.  Tess's
coworkers,clients, and others that she encounters don't start with the Deafness
aspect and wrap everything around it.  Deafness in RD is just no big deal. It's
accepted, it's transparent, and all of the characters just go on with their
business.  Is this an accurate depection of Deafness?  I don't know.  Just
something to think about.
	Label voting:  As was stated in "Deaf Life" magazine article on
MSSD/Kendall/Gallaudet ASL without voice protest- "Deaf people are going 
through an identity crisis right now."  In my opinion, no one should impose
their thoughts and beliefs on another person.  There are 22 million Deaf and
hard-of-hearing individuals in the United States. Each has had to face their
hearing loss in a way that is comfortable for them.  Each has had to make
choices that are comfortable for them.  Each must be respected for making these
choices. Each must respect the choices that other have made. Maybe Rodney King
is right, "Can't we all just get along?"  Mr. King did not say, "Can't we all
just get along, according to how I think we should get along?"

Frank

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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:20:31 -0600
From:         CONLEY JOSH SCOTT <conleyj@UCSU.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject:      RE: give me a break!!!

to Stephen Kotchen:

It seems from ur comments that u r anti-gay.  What u amy not realize is that
there r some readers on this list who is both deaf and gay.  And to calm ur
appearent fears: one does not cause the other!

I voice my support with other readers who have expressed their opinion that
sometimes discusions on Deaf-L, while not specifically related to Deafness
per se, do wander to other subjects, yet they, IMHHO, r related to the label
of Minority Opression.

Sometimes some coping techniques that Gay people have developed and by used
by other people including us with various levels of deafness; and vice versa.


I encourage Dave to continue to share his expereinces, and those of his freinds
rather they be gay or deaf or whatever else they cope with due to anyone who
dont understand what it is like to experience Life.
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Subject: test
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:10:43 GMT
Organization: NSWCCD, Naval Ship Systems Eng Sta, Phila PA

sorry, testing
-- 
Mike Jacobi
NAVSSES VAXCluster system manager
System@Eagle.Navsses.Navy.Mil
System@Falcon.Navsses.Navy.Mil

Disclaimer - I speak for myself.  No-one else.
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 09:30:48 PDT
From:         Rho Peggy Maceachern <a-peggym@MICROSOFT.COM>
Subject:      unsubscribe
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I'm leaving this e-mail address and want to unsubscribe to Deaf List.
Sorry to bother you at home, but my mail to the correct address kept
getting bounced back.

Thanks!
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 10:33:55 -0700
From:         Vicki Brown <vlb@MAGIC.AUX.APPLE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Terminology
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>Annette (ALEMONS@ILSTU) says:

>Hey - lighten up!  There's no obligation whatsoever by the outcome -
>the results are for interesting informational purposes only.  Roy
>has offered us some varied choices & it might even draw out some
>List members who rarely participate.  So VOTE today!

Maybe people would feel better to consider this a survey of thoughts among
intelligent people, rather than a vote.  A vote usually changes something.
A survey just shows how many people have a certain opinion, and could be
interesting.

  Vicki Brown
  A/UX Development Group            Apple Computer, Inc., Cupertino, CA
  Internet: vlb@apple.com           AppleLink: VICKI.BROWN
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