HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cappiell@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Steven Cappiello)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: smoke
Date: 24 Dec 92 11:49:20 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania



>
>Just a reminder (I'm sure you all know this anyway):  When you post
>"I smoke crack" here, you are etching a permanant and public record.


   NO WAY !   He  could've been speaking theoretically !!
		More people do this than you think.

-steve "psych major" cappiell@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:53:22 GMT

wisp@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Wisp) writes:
: In article <1992Dec18.201240.173@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
: >wisp@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Wisp) writes:
: >: inert in a biochemical sense. No-one has ever found a mechanism by which it is
: >: directly toxic (according to the toxicology textbooks available to me,
: >: anyway). That doesn't really matter, of course, because if you take too much,
: >: or too often, then you end up like a cabbage (well, a good impression of a
: >: catatonic schizophrenic, actually, but that's close enough).
: >
: >The latter factoid, as is common for such things, is false. Please point
: >us to some medline documentation of these catatonic or vegetative lsd users.
: >Previous searches have been unable to uncover any - except in places such as
: >Reader's Disgust and similar literature.
: 
: OK, sad lack of precision here on my part. There are *no* catatonic
: schizophrenics any more (in the developed world, anyway), courtesy of the
: major tranquilizers used to obviate the symptoms of  schizophrenia.
: However, you will find that every inner-city institution will have at least
: one LSD-precipitated schizophrenic on its books, along with a few
: PCP-precipitated phycoses and so on. The catatonia is relieved by the
: chlorpromazine etc. BTW, there is a huge difference between catatonic
: schizophrenic and vegetative (maybe not to look at, but in mechanisms and
: so on...).

As I stated, please point us to some medline documentation. I don't want
just statements that such cases exist - I want documentary evidence. No
one has, as yet, provided any. If they did exist, they would be written
up as medical case studies. It should be rather easy for you to provide
us with some citations.

Bill

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris)
Subject: Re: [anonymous] DMAE questions
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 04:53:11 GMT

nobody@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous) writes:
: 
: What are some sources for dimethylamoinoethanol (DMAE)? 
: How is DMAE pronounced? I think it is like "dee-may"?
: 
: 
: 
: 

Source Natural Vitamins produce a product called Mental Edge.
This is a mixture of DMAE and some vitamins.

They are in Scotts Valley, CA
--
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mesm@netcom.COM      |  in will, then in reality. -- Galivan Burwell
=====================================================================
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From: jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (John Donald Collier)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Old LSD
Date: 21 Dec 92 07:35:37 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne
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billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:

>The testing done in the 60s and 70s set the levels, for that time as 20
>to 100 ug - with occasional doses that were a bit larger. 

I find this hard to believe. It conflicts seriously with my
memories of reports in the Pheonix and the LA Free Press in 
the 1967 to 1972 period. Sorry I didn't save any issues.
-- 
John Collier 			Email: jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
HPS -- U. of Melbourne		  	Fax:   +61 3 344 7959
Parkville, Victoria, AUSTRALIA 3052
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mjharris@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Harris)
Subject: Re: A reply to PKP bullsh*t about PGP legality
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 21:27:20 GMT



--
>>> For private correspondance, finger for my uuencoded pgp public key <<< 
InterNet: mikeh@tenet.edu

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From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Subject: Re: WOD Advertisement I saw on TV - i.e. LAME
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 16:31:33 GMT

darinf@scarla.UUCP (Darin Fisher) writes:

>>A FOAF once smoked MJ with a girl he was relatively good friends with. 
>>Well, in no time at all they WERE going at it... The girl had previously 
>>told the guy that she didn't want to have sex with anybody, yet while high 
>>she was not so reluctant. Being the nice guy that he was, (as well as a 
>>bit more sober than she at that time), the guy told her what she had said 
>>before about not having sex, and it was not easy to convince her that they 
>>shouldn't.
>>The point is, when high you might be a little stupid about remembering
>>your values, not to mention the dangers of unsafe sex. MJ can enhance
>>physical sensations, and my FOAF says they still had a lot of fun even
>>though they didn't actually have sex :-)
>
>If you are "a little stupid about remembering your values..." while under
>the influence of a substance then you should 1) learn to be more 
>responsible about becoming intoxicated or 2) re-evaluate your values.

No kidding.  I wonder if his tone would have been so cautious and
mysterious if he'd been talking about alcohol.  No drug makes you do
something you don't want to do.  If she wanted to have sex with the guy
while high then it probably crossed her mind more than once to have sex
with him sober, even if she had no intention of ever acting on that
thought.  A drug might ease one's reluctance about doing something, but no
drug can make you do something you don't want to do.

-- 
*davE*   Making the world safe for intelligent dance music.  dave@bradley.edu.
########## David L. Vessell -- Bradley University Computing Services #########
Your shame is neverending. Just one psychological drama after another.-Erasure
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: sgt10@cl.cam.ac.uk (S.G. Theakston)
Subject: Smart Drugs
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:30:39 GMT

I am interested in the reported existance of so called 'smart drugs', which
improve memory rentation, increase IQ, and aid concentration. Do such drugs
actually exist? What are they? What are there effects? Are any legal, and
available? Are any dangerous? Please someone out there must have tried some, done
some research perhaps...
	So lets have it ...
Stu.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: cliftonr@netcom.com (Pope Clifton)
Subject: Re: query re: drugs and us security clearances -
Organization: t.b, t.p.d, & a.d
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 20:21:58 GMT

I'm going to reverse the conventional wisdom here.  I've never 
had or wanted a clearance, but I had two friends who had opposite
experiences.

One was applying for an NSA job.  He was an algebraic topologist 
(pure math) who had used a wide variety of drugs in the past.  As
part of the hiring/clearance process, they gave him a polygraph 
and asked him what drugs he had taken.  He tried to bluff it out,
and was instantly given the boot.

The other was a high-school friend of mine who joined the Air Force
as a programmer.  He had previously experimented somewhat with a few
psychedelic drugs.  In the induction interview, they asked whether he had 
used illegal drugs in the last 6 months, to which he said no.  When he
needed a clearance, they asked him a more detailed list of questions
on a polygraph which he answered honestly and set off a shitstorm.  
The major question however, was not whether he should be forbidden
clearance for having used drugs in the past, but whether he had
answered the initial set of questions honestly.  It took a while, but
they finally decided he had been honest and gave him the clearance.

I therefore conclude that at least some in the security establishment
see dishonesty or concealed events in your past as a much more serious
security risk than openly admitted experiments with psychedelics.

Conclusion: volunteer nothing, but don't lie.  If you aren't polygraphed
now, you might be later.
  -- Clifton

--
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"Some lives are like that." - Mark. Gooley
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From: dave@hpdstma.ptp.hp.com (Dave Waller)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:49:52 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpdstma.ptp.hp.com

In article <1992Dec20.052918.21974@galois.mit.edu>, jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez) writes:
|> I think we are gradually getting the point: anything, in sufficient
|> quantities or administered in a sufficiently silly manner, can be
|> lethal.  Even neutrinos (hint: supernovae emit lots of neutrinos).  

Uhhhh, I don't think so. Better check your references again about the
properties of neutrinos.

-- 
Dave Waller
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From: 2005bf@gmuvax.gmu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Life (death) imitates usenet - man dies from LSD abuse.MENU
Date: 27 Dec 92 16:38:35 -0500
Reply-To: mjharris@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Harris)
Followup-To: alt.drugs, Item 16840
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, VA.

In article <1992Dec23.061510.2244@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, mjharris@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Harris) writes:
> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
> 
>>sweeney@Ingres.COM (Tony Sweeney) writes:
>>: 	Timothy Murphy's death came 17 days after that of a teenager who
>>: had taken similar tabs, an inquest in Luton was told. Dr Patrick Toseland,
>>: a toxicologist at Guy's hospital, London, who submitted a report to the 
>>: hearing, said afterwards that deaths related to the hallucingenic drug LSD
>>: were extremely rare. ''I hadn't seen one for 23 years until these two this
>>: year,'' he said. Mr Murphy, 25, collapsed at his home after drinking heavily
>>: and takin 11 tabs. Dr Toseland said that alcohol could increase the risk
>>: of death from LSD. An inquest last month was told that Denise Jones, 18,
>>: died in Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, after swallowing similar tabs."
>>: 
>>: I guess that answers the question "How much LSD is fatal?". 11 tabs, in this
>>: poor bastard's case.
> 
>>Nope. All it means is that the person took some LSD. He also may have had a
>>few grams of salt shortly before hand, with a meal. Are we to say that, in
>>his case X grams of salt were fatal? Of course not, that would be stupid.
> 
>>I suspect that the LSD had nothing to do with the death, and that he died
>>of acute alcohol poisoning. 
> 
>>Bill
> 
> Well I don't believe the article at all. It contains several factual
> errors and I suspect the whole thing is an elaborate fabrication by a lazy
> reporter.
> 
> 
> --
>>>> For private correspondance, finger for my uuencoded pgp public key <<< 
> InterNet: mikeh@tenet.edu
> *HOW MANY LICKS DOES IT TAKE TO GET TO THE CENTER OF A TOOTSIE ROLL 
  TOOTSIE POP?...A-ONE,...A-TWO,...ELEVEN!   THESE GO TO ELEVEN.*Rad & Linda 
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner)
Subject: Re: query re: drugs and us security clearances -
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 18:16:11 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1hvlbtINNblb@flash.pax.tpa.com.au> anon.230@pax.tpa.com.au writes:
>Anyone care to remark on the effects of a single relatively
>recent experience with LSD for someone about to approach getting
>a clearance? No history of abuse/addiction, just a single experiment.
>Is it best to come clean or attempt to pull off a short term memory
>deficit?
	Since you are obviously going to work for our corrupt government
	where "plausible denial" isn't everything, its the only thing,
	(Forgive me Vince ;-) ) I recommend that you answer this question
	for yourself using this time honored USGov standard of morality:

	(drum roll)		***Plausible DENIAL****
	
	Bottom line: can you get away with it?  This will of course
	depend on a number of things: 
		* can you pass a piss test (with LSD probably)
		* can you survive a background check (who saw you? will they
		  tell the feds?)
		* can you survive a polygraph test? (maybe you don't need
		  to for the level you are after---find out).

	Keep in mind: if you screw up, the Prez won't pardon you for your
	sins.  That's only for the high level liars.  



							smg
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From: maxwell@deep-13.gizmo.com
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose take...
Date: 22 Dec 92 23:42:35 GMT
Organization: Gizmonics Institute Inc.
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In article <1h7v1gINN4nm@hpscit.sc.hp.com>, dave@hpdstma.ptp.hp.com (Dave Waller) writes:
> In article <1992Dec20.052918.21974@galois.mit.edu>, jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez) writes:
> |> I think we are gradually getting the point: anything, in sufficient
> |> quantities or administered in a sufficiently silly manner, can be
> |> lethal.  Even neutrinos (hint: supernovae emit lots of neutrinos).  
> 
> Uhhhh, I don't think so. Better check your references again about the
> properties of neutrinos.

Bzzzzzt.  I think *you'd* better check your referrences for neutrino's. 
Although they rarely interact w/ matter, they do in fact interact.

It *is* possible to get a fatal dose of neutrinos, although you couldn't get
yon dose here on earth.  The hint to which Jbaez was referring was SN1987a, and
yes, virginia, if you were one AU (astronomical unit, the distance from terra
to sol) from 1987a when it blew, you would have received a fatal neurtino dose.

_Science_ or _Sci. Am_ had a pretty nifty article on sn1987a which included
lots of gee-whiz facts like the neutrino factiod.  Worth checking out when 
in an altered state.


Speaking as a crafter of quality neutrinos.max
maxwell@fnal.fnal.gov

p.s. try not to worry about the millions of neutrino's that passed through your
naughty bits while you read this... :-)

merry ex mass 
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From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Keywords: It was an era of uneasy alliances....
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:16:31 GMT
Organization: Austerlitz, Gershovitz, and Carmichael

bill nelson writes:
>Erik Bailey writes:
>: bill nelson writes:
>: >The belief in doses being that large is another urban legend. They are
>: >still about the same now as then - anywhere from about 20ug to 150ug. I
>: >believe the average is about 50-60ug.
>: >
>: Untrue! The fabled "orange sunshine" was kept at a measured dose of 250 ug.
>: Acid back then was in considerably higher units. (source: _Acid Dreams_).
>
>There may have been an occasional batch that was higher. However, "orange
>sunshine" varied - see the tests during the 60s and 70s.
>
Uh...I want to be diplomatic in this. [for a change] But isn't expert
information in this area one of those Catch-22 paradoxes? If you were
in a position to have this kind of arcane information at your
fingertips, well, you couldn't have this kind of information at your
fingertips.
-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> One never knows, do one?
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: an2506@anon.penet.fi (paracelsus)
Subject: SF Bookstores
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.drugs
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 20:29:47 GMT

I'm going to be in San Francisco in the near future, and I'd like to
get recommendations on good bookstores that carry literature on the
subject near and dear to our hearts. Names, addresses, and phone
numbers of stores would be appreciated if possible. Also, recommendations
for any must-visit places would be welcome.

- Paracelsus
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Old LSD
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:14:49 GMT

jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (John Donald Collier) writes:
: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
: 
: >The testing done in the 60s and 70s set the levels, for that time as 20
: >to 100 ug - with occasional doses that were a bit larger. 
: 
: I find this hard to believe. It conflicts seriously with my
: memories of reports in the Pheonix and the LA Free Press in 
: the 1967 to 1972 period. Sorry I didn't save any issues.

I will have to look up the report - I think it was posted by Lamont.
Maybe someone still has it on-line, all I have is a hard copy somewhere.

Bill
From: mjr@TIS.COM (Marcus J. Ranum)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: PGP warning (ooo; I am scared)
Date: 3 Jan 93 21:12:01 GMT
Reply-To: mjr@TIS.COM
Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc.

boulos@csa2.lbl.gov (Thomas Boulos CDF/LBL x7181) writes:
[... a lot of stuff... ]

>I don't work in the field, so perhaps what I've said is BS.  I've only heard
>it by word of mouth, but neither would I expect to see widely distributed
>as an official policy.

	Yeah, USENET is great. USENET and Capitol Hill are about the ONLY
places where it's OK to say, with a straight face, "I don't know nuttin'
about this stuff, but I'm gonna POST something public about it."
In fact, there are lots of official policies about cryptography, you have
all the government agencies in question backwards, and you clearly don't
have any idea what you're talking about. If you were so conscious of the
possibility that what you posted was "BS" - why did you post it, then?

mjr.
From: nick@gepard.msk.su (Ovcharenko Nickolay Yurievich)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: BEE VENOM:Who might need it in pharmacology
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 13:02:36 +0200
Distribution: world
Organization: GEPARD, Ltd
Reply-To: nick@gepard.msk.su

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Here in Russia we are going to produce bee vedom. Would you help us in finding
medical or pharmacological centers interested in long-time cooperation. If
scientists or other specialists will contact with us, it will be great.
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     fax (095)-135-70-30


Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen)
Subject: Re: LSD and alcoholism
Organization: Microdata Oy
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 00:09:21 GMT

mjharris@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Harris) writes:

>True but it might make them discover it (life) for the first time and stop
>fucking with it in stupid ways.

   Yes, they MIGHT. However, Petrus was IMHO exaggerating the benefits of LSD
in treatment of alcoholism. And the fact that administering psychedelics can
make matters worse for some simply cannot be overly stressed.

>Leary claims an 80% recidivism rate for prisoners (many of them violent) who
>underwent his LSD prison therapy program. The normal rate for that prison was
>20 percent (80% came back).

   Uncle Timmy has made enough ridiculous claims to warrant my suspicion. I'm
not saying it isn't true, just being sceptical. By the way, I am under the
impression that the drug used in this case was psilocybin.

>Also his alcholic LSD therapy treatments were allegedly totally effective
>50 % of the time. If only AA worked so well.

   Again, I am under the impression that the AA experimented with LSD during
its early days - and also that they abandoned it long before it was banned.

>to attribute all of these results to LSD. But anytime you form emotional
>bonds with people that really care about you (and LSD aids this immensely)

   Now, does it? This wouldn't be an individual thing, by any chance? I know
enough people who have had emotionally crippling experiences with LSD to be
highly sceptical. Many of these people were too smart and knowing to take the
drug irresponsibly or casually.
--
Jani Heinonen		jah@mits.mdata.fi		Finger for PGP key
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mjharris@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Harris)
Subject: Re: Eye redness experiment a success!
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 05:46:46 GMT

honig@binky.ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig) writes:

> despair@netcom.com (Scott Hanson) writes:
>>In article <something> bagg@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>[experiment deleted]
>>>I suggest trying the experiment with a single eye protected with
>>>goggles (and the other left exposed).  It's a more elegant
>>>experiment that way.  If you're really ambitious you could have
>>>independent observers (who were not present for the actual
>>>smoking) 'score' your eye redness.
>>
>>I remember my eye doctor telling me that medication, infections (and I
>>imagine smoke particles) are easily transferred from one eye to the other.
>>Also, an irritation in one eye may affect the other.  The eye becomes red
>>because of an allergic reaction, release of histamines, etc.  This may
>>make both eyes turn red despite the possibility that the goggles really
>>work.

> I know that one pupil will respond to light in the other eye, due to
>shared neural connections.  Conjunctival injection (the med term for
>red eyes) I have a harder time believing.

>But Bagg's point is very important: the original poster included no control.
>No control, no conclusion.

>I didn't catch the orignal reason for doing this experiment, but
>I can imagine it was hypothesized that redness if from topical irritation.
>But smoking in a windy place keeps smoke off the eyes, yet they get red.
>Another data point supporting the systemic counter-hypothesis.




>--
>David Honig

>"Q: What does a C programmer say to an Ada(tm) programmer?
> A: I'll have a burger and fries, no onions."

And if you want to see *real* red eyes eat a lot of pot. I doubt that
glasses make a bit of difference in either case (smoking or eating).


--
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
From: wisp@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Wisp)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 12:06:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.205322.2451@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:

[his and my burble deleted...]

>
>As I stated, please point us to some medline documentation. I don't want
>just statements that such cases exist - I want documentary evidence. No
>one has, as yet, provided any. If they did exist, they would be written
>up as medical case studies. It should be rather easy for you to provide
>us with some citations.
>
>Bill
>

Cumulative Index Medicus, 1970-1990...

The Wisp. [and gullible isn't in it...]