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From: barrett@decsws.enet.dec.com (Keith Barrett)
Subject: Re: Supra problems & their BBSIn article 131356@aminet.uucp, barrett@aminet.uucp (Keith Barrett) writes:
Reply-To: barrett@pamsrc.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:00:40 GMT




>>	2. BUSY response is sooooo wrong it's not worth looking at. All of
>>	   the BUSY problems have already been posted here by others.
>>
>  I don't know what busy problems people keep referring to. I have always 
>gotten a "BUSY" message back when the line was indeed busy. As far as I can 

OK, try this for one:

Call a number that rings for a few times and has a human being answer, then
see what the supra prints after he/she hands up the remote end? You get
a BUSY instead of a NO CARRIER. 

This works fine with the supra 2400. This bug could cost some people $$$
(if they keep retrying the wrong number because it's busy, not to
mention the annoyance to the other person).

I also have problems connecting the Supra to a DEC scholar plus 2400
baud modem, and to my old supra modem.
Xref: sparky comp.dcom.modems:10841 misc.forsale.computers:27188
From: Sevo_Stille@f.maus.de (Sevo Stille)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: ZMODEM QUESTION
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 00:31:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.11

kevin.fong@uttsbbs.uucp (Kevin Fong) writes:

k>dsz handshake both r rz
k>
k>The handshake both is necessary if you are using 9600+ baud.

Well, you don't need XON/XOFF if you have rts/cts, so "handshake cts" works
just as well, provided that you do have rts/cts support in your cable.
Personally, I prefer "handshake slow" for speeds of 9600+ with UART's <16550
and for speeds of 38400+ with 16550 UART's, unless the harddisk controller does
busmastering DMA.

bye Sevo
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: dave@appi.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp (David Wuertele)
Subject: Modem use in Japan?
Organization: Institute of Industrial Science, University of tokyo.
Distribution: comp
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 02:35:02 GMT

Can you use a 9600bps modem in Japan?  I heard that they used to have at
most 4800bps there.

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University of Tokyo.				dave@windsor.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp
From: erichow@pasvc.enet.dec.com (Eric Chow - DEC PASO HK)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: What is no MCF signal error?
Date: 31 Jul 92 22:29:25 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

Hello Friends,

	I recently try to fax using DIGICOM Scout+ modem to my
	friently who is also using the same modem.
	We both use Bitfax to send and receive.

	The scenario is that my friend tried to fax to me a small text file
	with only one line. I received successfully although there were some
	dotted lines under some of the letters when I view the result.

	Then I fax the .tif back to my friend. Bitfax shows

		No MCF signal error

	and carrier lost after sending the first page.
	Be reminded that there is only one page for the .tif I received.
	However, the fax can be transferred to my friend successfully.

	Do you have any idea?

Regards,
Eric.

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From: martin@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: cardinal fax/modem data problem
Date: 23 Jul 92 08:55:13 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

I'm setting up a Cardinal Fax/Modem, and while the send Fax part
tests out OK, when I try to receive a fax, or use it in data mode, 
I get ton's of error messages..

when I try to use it in data mode, I get all this garbage showing
up on my screen that looks like this..


~?~?~?~      ~?~?~?~          ~?~?~?~   ~?~?~?~

repetitive patterns with garbage characters between them..
they show up on the screen in a rhythmic pattern, like something
is regularly generating this pattern..

someone told me that faxes create this regular beeping when they
are trying to connect..  could this be the fax part of the modem
slopping over into the data mode?  it only happens after I 
already connect in data mode...

Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: hrs1@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (herman.r.silbiger)
Subject: Re: 14400bps fax
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:33:50 GMT

In article <3889.07.92@janhh.hanse.de>, jan@janhh.hanse.de (Jan Willamowius) writes:
> Some modems such as Zyxel advertise that they can do fax at 14400 bps
> as do some "real" fax manufacturers. As far as I know the G3 standard
> goes only up to 9600 bps.
> 
> Is there an "agreed way" to do this (I hesitate to say "standard") or
> is it strictly Zyxel <-> Zyxel and nothing else?

The V.17 modem configuration, which is capable of 14.4 Kbit/s and 12 Kbit/s was approved for G3 more than one year ago.  The use of V.33 at those speeds is 
also approved.   

V.17 can drop down to 9.8 and 7.2 Kbit/s also, and provides better performance 
at those speeds than V.29.

Several manufacturers are now selling equipment using the V.17 modem.

Herman Silbiger
From: friedl@mtndew.Tustin.CA.US (Stephen Friedl)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: fax humor
Date: 25 Jul 92 19:16:56 GMT
Organization: Steve's Personal machine / Tustin, CA

This from _Reader's Digest_, August 1992, pg 97 (used w/o permission):

     As the deadline for a major project drew near at our
     publishing firm, both our facsimile machines were put to the
     test.  Secretaries were sending and receiving messages,
     making last minute corrections and additions.  One young
     assistant, holding a handful of new instructions to be
     distributed to various departments, asked the office
     manager, "Whatever did we do before fax machines?"

     A man of few words, the manager replied, "We did things on time."

			     --- Contributed by C. Richard Cotton

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We should re-arm the Russians as long as they promise to take out Washington
From: ebritt@BBN.COM (Elizabeth Britt)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: Prometheus Home Office information?
Date: 23 Jul 1992 15:00:36 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Distribution: bbn, ne, usa
Reply-To: ebritt@BBN.COM (Elizabeth Britt)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

I'm considering buying a Prometheus Ultima Home Office fax modem with:
- 14,400 bps (V.32bis) data modem that also supports V.42bis/MNP-5
- 9600 bps send and receive fax
- voice

If you have any experience with this model and wouldn't mind sharing your
opinion, I'd like to hear from you.

Thanks,

Beth Britt

P.S.  My email address will be ebritt@bbn.com until July 31.
From: bxxmic01@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: Dallas fax/modem problems?
Date: 26 Jul 92 18:29:12 +0200
Organization: University of Cape Town

HI

I have been testing a Dallas 14.4E external fax-modem.

The modem seems to work great, but I have had problems connecting with specific
faxes: the answering fax picks up and does its thing, the Dallas seems to try
to reply, then a short blank and the cycle repeats.  On other faxes this works
fine... ?

BTW What are the requirements for WinFax and WFPro wrt the faxmodem?

Cheers
Mike
Xref: sparky comp.dcom.fax:1428 alt.fax:61
From: joel@abigale.UUCP (Joel Rosi-Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax,alt.fax
Subject: Info for fax modem SURVEY
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:23:03 GMT
Organization: Techne Research, Finchampstead, Berkshire (UK)

Hi,

A week ago I posted a request for details on fax modem manufacturers.
So far I have on had 2 responses, so I figure that a little proding
might help ;-)

I would like to compile a list of external fax modems appropriate for
connecting to Unix systems.  I would appreciate any information you
may have and am most interested in the name of the manufacturer and
a fax number or email adress to reach them.  Any experience, both
good and bad, with the products would be useful.  Please email the
information to me directly.  I intend to contact each one and will
post a summary back this group with the following information:

	1. Manufacture
	2. Address/phone/fax/email details
	3. Products and prices
	4. PT approvals by country
	5. Summary of product details
	6. Programmatic interface -- is it proprietary? is it documented?
	7. What formats is it capable of converting
	8. What software packages can talk to it?

If there is anything else you would like included please let me know.

Thanks in advance for you interest and assistance.

Cheers,
Joel
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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax,comp.dcom.modems
From: pmr@rock.concert.net (Paul M Reilly -- Personal Account)
Subject: NetFax 3.2 with Dallas Fax - Status
Organization: Pajato Systems Group
Distribution: comp.dcom
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 08:01:28 GMT

I've managed to get MIT's NetFax3.2 sort of running on a DG AViiON
(SVR4) workstation.  It will send documents rendered for low
resolution ok.  Sending the Ghostscript file "golfer.ps" shows up on a
fax machine very nice.  Documents rendered at the high resolution are
received as 8.5x22in documents.  I suspect this is a Ghostscript
problem.

Receiving has some major problems: After much slogging over the rather
poor D/F documentation I have finally managed to receive what appears
to be lots of g3 data (~60Kbytes for golfer.ps). However, using
xloadimage on the g3topbm converted data (using all combinations of
reversal and kludge switches) yields garbage (of about the right
dimensions).

Needless to say, I'm looking for help, comments, suggestions, etc.
Thanks.
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(919)847-7294				pmr@rock.concert.net
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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax,comp.dcom.modems
From: rci@wam.umd.edu (Ron Crozier)
Subject: DOVE DRIVER NEEDED
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:36:53 GMT

I'm in need of a Dove Fax software driver for a NeXT computer.

If you can help, please leave E-mail

ron
From: n.margetic@ucl.ac.uk (Nino Margetic)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: DCX2PCX converter
Summary: Where can I get it??
Keywords: DCX, PCX, image formats, conversion software
Date: 29 Jul 92 12:50:41 GMT
Reply-To: nino@mph.sm.ucl.ac.uk (Nino Margetic)
Organization: University College London

Hi,

I have a problem: all incoming faxes on my portable fax/modem
(MegaHertz P224FMV) are either in a) proprietary ExpressFax format, or
b) DCX format. The latter is apparently just a multi-page PCX format.
The manual for my fax/modem says that there is a program DCX2PCX which
can convert between the two formats. That is also the info which I
received from the MegaHertz Technical Support on Compu$erve, which
stated that the file is available on the C$. The problem is - I do not 
have access to C$!!!

Is there a kind soul out there who has this program, and is willing to
send it by mail, or make it available for ftp?? I know that we are
talking about copyright-ed software, but I have no other means of
getting it (or, at least, I do not know of any other means...)

Any kind of info/pointer to the above problem will be *very*
appreciated.

TIA.

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From: sagen@techbook.com (Milton Sagen)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: Re: FINE mode negotiation.
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:43:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: techbook.1992Jul28.174329.3152
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix

russell@kings.demon.co.uk (Russell Brown) writes:

>The dialog goes something like......

>(response.c:122) parse_text_response: parsing: "+FCON"
>(response.c:122) parse_text_response: parsing: "+FCSI: "Remote FAX ID       ""
>(response.c:122) parse_text_response: parsing: "+FDIS: 1,3,0,2,0,0,0,4"
>(NetFax sends AT+FDT 0,1,0,2)

Shouldn't this be AT+FDT=0,1,0,2

The AT+FDT= command is one of the inconsistencies I mentioned regarding
writing fax software for pseudo class 2 modems.  Some implementations
don't like AT+FDT=something, and will return an error.  But all will
accept AT+FDIS=A_Bunch_Of_Things, so I always send that at the beginning
of job just before I have the modem dial the phone.

>(response.c:122) parse_text_response: parsing: "+FDCS: 0,3,0,2,0,0,0,5"

>The first argument to FDIS implies that the remote FAX can support FINE
>mode (supported by the fact that I know it can!) but the FDCS message
>says NORMAL mode has been negotiated.
-- 
Milton E. Sagen                          sagen@techbook.COM
Software Engineer                        !{sequent,nosun,uunet}techbook!sagen 
Prometheus Products, Inc.                (503) 692-9600 (voice)
Tualatin, OR 97062                       (503) 691-1101 (fax)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: dbailey@cix.compulink.co.uk (Diane Bailey)
Subject: Everfax Modems, on a Mac
Reply-To: dbailey@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 02:34:08 +0000

I have an Interfax 12/48 modem for my Mac.  Everex in Fremont
have just shipped me (for $77) what was supposed to be an upgrade
(ie a complete new interior) up to the latest 24/96, only what
has arrived here in London is an Everfax Upgrade pack, which is
obviously an MS-DOS product.

The board is longer than my case but the external connections are
the same.  The board additionally has a mic attached and a slide
switch on the side. Can anyone tell me whether, assuming I can
get them to supply the proper case, the Everfax would work with
Mac Interfax software, and whether it has features superior to the
Interfax 24/96. What, for example is the mic for, and does it have
MNP-5?

Direct mail would be appreciated as I have to make a rapid
decision on whether to ship it back.

Salut!

Diane
dbailey@cix.compulink.co.uk.
From: sob@TMC.EDU (Stan Barber)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: Patches for netfax 3.2 to allow it to work on SunSparc under 4.1.2
Keywords: Fixes Netfax 3.2
Date: 29 Jul 92 03:49:51 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx

The attached patch kit should be applied to routines in the libfax directory
of the netfax distribution. The fix problems I had talking to my Everfax
fax modem. I was using a cpu serial port on a SparcStation 1. I would
also suggest that folks who are going to use the faxmail feature adjust the
size of the user name buffer space in spooler.h which is located in
the faxspooler directory. It is only 16 bytes. It will need to be MUCH 
larger unless you have really small FQDN's at your site.

Please use Larry Wall's patch program to apply these patches.

Index: response.c
*** response.c	Wed Jun 24 15:33:01 1992
--- response.c.new	Mon Jul 27 01:58:22 1992
***************
*** 207,219 ****
  	  case RESPONSE_START: 
  	    reply_ptr = reply;
  	    if (isdigit(c))  {
! 		f->result = (int)(c - '0');
  		state = RESPONSE_NUMERIC;
! 	    } else if (c == '\r' || c == '\n') {
! 		state = RESPONSE_START;
! 	    } else {
! 		*reply_ptr++ = c;
  		state = RESPONSE_TEXT;
  	    }
  	    break;
  
--- 207,219 ----
  	  case RESPONSE_START: 
  	    reply_ptr = reply;
  	    if (isdigit(c))  {
! 	        f->result = (int)(c - '0');    /* ugly */
  		state = RESPONSE_NUMERIC;
! 	    } else if (c == '+' || c == 'C') {
!  		*reply_ptr++ = c;
  		state = RESPONSE_TEXT;
+ 	    } else {
+ 		state = RESPONSE_START;
  	    }
  	    break;
  
Index: tty.c
*** tty.c	Wed Jun 24 15:33:56 1992
--- tty.c.new	Mon Jul 27 02:58:18 1992
***************
*** 73,88 ****
  	return (-1);
      }
  
!     t.c_iflag = IXON|IXOFF;
!     t.c_oflag = 0;
!     t.c_cflag = CS8|CREAD|CLOCAL;
!     t.c_lflag = 0;
  
- 
      cfsetispeed(&t, B19200);
      cfsetospeed(&t, B19200);
  
!     if (tcsetattr(fd, TCSANOW, &t) < 0) {
  	log(L_EMERG, "condition_tty: can't set attrs: %m");
  	return (-1);
      }
--- 73,90 ----
  	return (-1);
      }
  
!     t.c_lflag &= ~(ECHO | ICANON | IEXTEN | ISIG );
!     t.c_iflag &= ~(BRKINT | ICRNL | INPCK | ISTRIP | IXON);
!     t.c_cflag &= ~(CSIZE | PARENB);
!     t.c_cflag |= CS8;
!     t.c_oflag &= ~(OPOST);
!     t.c_cc[VMIN] = 1;
!     t.c_cc[VTIME] = 0;
  
      cfsetispeed(&t, B19200);
      cfsetospeed(&t, B19200);
  
!     if (tcsetattr(fd, TCSAFLUSH, &t) < 0) {
  	log(L_EMERG, "condition_tty: can't set attrs: %m");
  	return (-1);
      }




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From: s1151414@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Mario (Leigh) Dawes)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: AT Fax commands
Date: 30 Jul 92 07:38:16 GMT
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill, 3842, Australia


Does any have or can lead me to a complete set of Class1,2,3
AT fax commands to be able to control a fax modem.
I've noticed that some start off with the 'AT' and therefore
I assume they must be part of the HAYES standard.  The manual
I have here does not include the fax commands.

Cheers
Leigh

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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From:  ivanov@inzer.steepler.msk.su (Mikhail Ivanov)
Subject: Re: Pre-Class2 Pecularities
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:06:55 GMT
Reply-To: ivanov@inzer.steepler.msk.su
Organization: Steepler Ltd.

I have information on features of Fax Modems listed below:

   ACTIVE 9624F;
   BEST 2496EC;
   Smart One FAX9624F;
   MaxFax 9624;
   FURY 9600 TI;
   FURY 2400 POCKET/FAX;
   FURY 2400 PC/FAX;
If you are interested in this information mail me.
By
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 Software Designer       Internet address:     ivanov@inzer.steepler.msk.su
 Steepler Ltd.           Phone: +7 (095) 246-74-46 (fax), 246-81-92 (voice)
From: jknowles@binky.arc.nasa.gov (Jim Knowles)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
Subject: External DID Fax Modems
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:03:07 GMT
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

I've seen internal fax-cards which accomodate DID lines.  Does anyone
know of an external fax modem with DID capabilities?  How about a separate
box that pulls off the DID number before the line reaches the modem?

We're interested in a reliable inbound routing solution for an email/Fax
gateway, preferably on a SPARCstation, definitely under UNIX. 

Email or post.  I'll summarize any email replies.  Thanks,

Jim Knowles
jknowles@binky.arc.nasa.gov
(415) 604-3056
MS 233-18
Ames Research Center
Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax,comp.dcom.modems
From: vldias@inesc.pt (Victor Lopes Dias)
Subject: Class 2 Faxmodems
Organization: INESC - Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores, Lisboa - PORTUGAL
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:17:04 GMT

Can anyone send me a list of faxmodems that support the class 2 standard?
Any brand, able to receive and transmit at least at 9600 baud.
Can any of these operate at CCITT v.17 14.4k ?

 Thanks. M.B.Moniz      (vldias@inesc.inesc.pt , PORTUGAL)
Xref: sparky comp.dcom.fax:1400 alt.fax:60
From: joel@abigale.UUCP (Joel Rosi-Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax,alt.fax
Subject: Fax modem manufacturers
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:17:52 GMT
Organization: Techne Research, Finchampstead, Berkshire (UK)


Hi,

I would like to compile a list of external fax modems appropriate for
connecting to Unix systems.  I would appreciate any information you
may have and am most interested in the name of the manufacturer and
a fax number or email adress to reach them.  Any experience, both
good and bad, with the products would be useful.  Please email the
information to me directly.  I intend to contact each one and will
post a summary back this group with the following information:

	1. Manufacture
	2. Address/phone/fax/email details
	3. Products and prices
	4. PT approvals by country
	5. Summary of product details

If there is anything else you would like included please let me know.

Thanks in advance for you interest and assistance.

Cheers,
Joel

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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.fax
From: russell@kings.demon.co.uk (Russell Brown)
Subject: FINE mode negotiation.
Organization: Lady Lodge Systems, Peterborough, England
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 11:55:15 GMT


Hi,

I'm trying to use a SupraFAX V32.bis modem with NetFax 3.2 

While most things seem to work, when I transmit a FAX the modem
and remote FAX machine don't seem to negotiate FINE mode and because
ghostscript generated the FAX in high resolution, the received FAX
is effectively scaled by 2 in the vertical axis :-(

The dialog goes something like......

(response.c:122) parse_text_response: parsing: "+FCON"
(response.c:122) parse_text_response: parsing: "+FCSI: "Remote FAX ID       ""
(response.c:122) parse_text_response: parsing: "+FDIS: 1,3,0,2,0,0,0,4"
(NetFax sends AT+FDT 0,1,0,2)
(response.c:122) parse_text_response: parsing: "+FDCS: 0,3,0,2,0,0,0,5"

The first argument to FDIS implies that the remote FAX can support FINE
mode (supported by the fact that I know it can!) but the FDCS message
says NORMAL mode has been negotiated.

Has anyone, with more knowledge of CLASS 2, got any ideas?

Thanks.
        Russell
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