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From: crist@rtsg.mot.com (Cynthia L. Crist)
Subject: Re: Transitional (Toddler) Bed versus Twin Beds
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:03:49 GMT

tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner) writes:


>Our daughter (19 months) has recently started climbing
>out of her crib.  We talked about purchasing a "toddler"
>bed but then weren't sure about whether to go to that
>bed or a regular twin bed.  What are the advantages/disadvantages
>of either one??

>As a side note, we are expecting in April, so will need the
>crib by that time anyway (or a little after).

>Leigh Ann

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Both of my children went right from a crib to a full size bed at
about 20 months.  Both of them move around a lot in their sleep
and like the extra space.  We have had no problems and they should
be able to use these beds until they leave our home.  I see
no reason for a toddler bed.  A twin bed would be perfect.
Bed guards for the side help out a lot.

Cindy
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: Re: Rewards (Was: Re: Mischievous Child (3 YO))
Summary: rewards  
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:11:00 GMT

In article <00713731578@elgamy.sccsi.com>, elg@elgamy.sccsi.com (Eric Lee Green) writes...
> 
>Thus praise, smiles, hugs, kisses are indeed rewards, if they cause a
>behavior to become more prevalent.
> 
>I think one mistake that a lot of people, including a lot of teachers, make
>is that they percieve rewards to only be things like M&M's or little toys,
>and forget that the most potent reward most children can get is his or her
>parent's time and attention and positive regard.
> 
> Eric Lee Green  elg@elgamy.sccsi.com         Dodson Elementary
> (713) 437-6908  uunet!nuchat!elgamy!elg      Houston, TX
>                "Kids are kids, no matter what"

Well, In the theoretical world, I agree with Eric. But, in the
realistic, living world, I feel tangible, hold 'em in your hand
kind of rewards are sometimes necessary. Now, I do not mean
continual handing out of toys and candy. As a case in point,
I would like to use my recent experiences with my son. We have
just finished (I hope) his potty training, and while peeing
went easily, pooping in the potty wasn't happening. I tried
the praise route- everytime he peed he got hugs, kisses, you
name it. But for pooping, no go. Finally, my friend told me
to go for the big bribes, er, rewards. Well, we did both. He
got toys, and lots of praise (and other non-tangible rewards
like extra calls to grandma, etc). We are now past the tangible
reward stage, and he still gets lots of praise for results, but
he also will bring me a toy he got for pooping and say 'I got
this for pooping in the potty'. And, he will also announce at
random times 'I went poopy', and expects everyone to say 'horray',
and 'we are proud and happy'. And, before anyone asks, my son
will be 4 in a month, and has developmental delays, hence his
late training.
                            Patti Twigg
From: susanw@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Susan Wechsler)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:26:08 GMT
Subject: Re: How to have a smarter baby?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

>Seriously, I think that stuff's a waste of money.  Babies are
>supposed to be carried and cuddled and that's how they learn
>what they're supposed to learn.
>
>		--  maggie

Ditto!

--Susan
From: wang@optigfx.optigfx.com (Alice Wang)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Clip-on chair recommendation
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:23:51 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Optigraphics Corporation, San Diego


A while ago, I have posted a request for info on high chair.
Since then, we have bought a Fisher Price Deluxe Blue High Chair
which we are pretty happy with.  

In the information I received, there was a side thread about
those clip-on chairs.  There was a big discussion about how
save they are.  I went to Toy R Us and found three models of
these chair:  Graco tot-loc, Graco tot-loc deluxe (can't tell
the "deluxe" difference from the box) and Sassy seat.  So are
there other models out there?  Is one saver than the others?

We are considering getting one to use when we eat out.  A lot
of restuarants either have inadequate high chairs or dirty
ones (Christine loves to chew on the high chair).

After reading about the safety of these clip-on chairs, we'll be
extra caution when we use it.  Therefore, make sure the table
can support it, etc.  We'll use it only when we are confident
with the setup and use a high chair otherwise.  So please, no
more flame about the danger of these clip-on chairs.  We appre-
ciate the advance warning.

So to those parents that have clip-on chairs, please e-mail
the experience you have.

Thanks in advance,
Alice Wang
Mom to Christine, 8 mo (who got sick for the 1st time!  She caught
			one of these virus that only gives her a
			fever in the evenings.  But just looking at
			her, I sure can't tell she has a temperature.
			She's as active/happy as ever!)
wang@optigfx.com
From: darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Any Waldorf parents out there?
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:54:21 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Davis

The subject says it. We have our six-year-old enrolled in a Waldorf
School. He's been through one year of kindergarten and we're
delighted with the whole approach and its positive effects on him.
I'd love to get correspondence going with any other Waldorf
parents!  And if there is enough curiosity in netland about
Waldorf education I will post about it.

Richard
From: ssmith@xocolatl.com (Shannon Smith)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Pregnancy Test Kits
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 11:34:18 PDT
Reply-To: ssmith@xocolatl.com
Distribution: world
Organization: Amethyst Systems, Fremont, CA

swk004@muvms3.bitnet (CONNIE LEINEN, SWK004@MARSHALL, HUNTINGTON, WV) writes:

> The general concensus of both the nurse and the doctor was that these
> tests are fairly accurate for the average woman.  Women with erratic
> ovulation cycles are at risk for false negatives.  A small percentage
> of women (like 1%) are going to get a false negative through much of 
> the first trimester.  The best thing to do is to assume pregnancy

For each of my kids, I did not test positive until 18-20 weeks of
conception.  In the case of the second, I had a Pap smear done at
(unbeknownst to me) 10 weeks, and the Dr. managed to miss the
pregnancy then.  So either the uterine color change is pretty subtle,
or it's pretty subtle in me.

---
Shannon Smith                     ssmith@xocolatl.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: L638615@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: TEST TEST TEST
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 21:48:56 GMT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: negative attitudes towards breast-feeding
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:34:12 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

In article <1992Aug17.133651.9010@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> watson@cbnewsl.cb.att.com
>
>This is entirely different than nursing my daughter.  She only nursed
>every 3 to 4 hours.  I barely even remember her HAVING growth spurts.
>I guess my mother-in-law was right, boys nurse a lot more than girls.
>She said boys suck on you and suck on you and suck all the milk you've
>got and then suck on you some more.  Grumble, grumble.  Well, I guess

Sorry you are having such a rough time, and I wish I could offer some
encouragement other then keep with it...

But, I just thought I would mention that Jeffrey was a huge baby who seemed
to go thru growth spurts every 5 minutes! His nursing patterns were much more
similar to your duaghters. He would rarely nurse more then 10 minutes at a
time, at normal intervals. he could empty out a breast in 3-5 minutes and the
go clear out the other one. Since I had always heard babies would take much
longer to nurse, I spent a couple weeks wondering if he was getting enough to
eat. That was pretty silly of me considering his size and his 8 poopies a
day. Then I started wondering *how* he was getting enough to eat.

>I shouldn't complain too much, at least I haven't gotten any plugged
>ducts.

Yes! you are lucky!

Laura Floom
From: birgenom@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (T.B. Shows/ Maureen Sion)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: RE: Baby Monitor Reccomendationss
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:16:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I also received the Gerry and the FP monitors as gifts and decided
to keep the FP because of the light display.  I have been very
happy with it although if you are going to use the receiver with
batteries alot you may want the model without the light display.
I have not really used the light display feature and my receiver
will go through a 9-volt battery very VERY quickly.  I think the
reason it eats up the battery so quickly is the light display 
uses alot of power.  

You might want to consider returning both for the model in which
you can talk back and forth from both ends.  I don't see this as
a great advantage for use with a baby but I can see how it might
be very useful later on for a walkie talkie.

Maureen
Birgenom@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: RH398@uacsc2.albany.edu
Subject: Re: No TV On Weekdays (Was:Misch.Child)
Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 09:56:00 EDT

In article <1992Aug11.142258.22933@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>
nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
 
>>In article <4310176@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> poon@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Vivienne Poon) writes:
>[Interaction about what one parent considers a "problem child" deleted]
>
>Vivienne gives us a deed-reward example:
>>>She will come up and say "I put all the books back on
>>>the shelf, Mom." "Good job. I am so glad that you did it." "Do I deserve
>>>a reward?" "Sure, I'll take you to the park later." "No, I want a candy."
>>>"No, no candy today." "How about watching mouse detective?" "No, you know
>>>there's no TV on weekdays." "OK, you take me to Great America on Saturday."
>
>As the parent, I'd have opted for cuddling up on the sofa with my
>daughter and watching her favorite program with her, laughing at the
>silly mouse when she laughs, giggling at a silly inuendo or joke and
>seeing her look up at me and giggle with me, and then later talking about
>the show and sharing with her what I learned from the story.
>
>Good grief, Vivienne.  You let a potentially close precious moment
>pass because of some rule you've applied to your home.
 
>-Nance
 
     What's wrong with consistancy in applying rules?  Sometimes
a "potentially close precious moment" must pass for the lesson
of sticking by your word.  Or is this passe today?
 
 -Rich
  rh398@thor.albany.edu
From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: They aren't young forever
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:01:42 GMT
Organization: Can't even tell which paper I read this morning

In article <92226.094524CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu (Chris Himes) writes:
...
>
>We finally got around to seeing "Hook" this weekend, and I thought the
>mother made a good point when she told Robin Williams that the time period
>in which children WANT their parents attention is short and passes too
>quickly.  I think the same is true of the time period during which
>children's needs are so high.  Already, I've forgotten the frustrations of
>an inconsolable baby, and it's only been 11 months since Douglas was born.

In a recent Albany Times Union or Troy Record, there was an
article on how children should pay more attention to their
parents than their parents pay to them.  The gist is that those
children whose coupled parents emphasized that the primary relationship
in the household was with their spouses, or whose single parents
who made it clear that their needs came first came out better
adjusted and better prepared to deal with the world outside the
household.



>
>I guess what I'm trying to say is that many of the problems of raising
>children pass quickly, but my feeling is that most of the joys last a lot
>longer.  Just my 2 pennies.
>

Yah.  My nephew is five weeks younger than my daughter.  We first
saw him when my daughter was 12 weeks, and already I had
forgotten that she was ever his size.

BTW, Tarin, now 28 months, is standing here next to me asking
please can she see catinhat on my workstation.  Only last week,
this kind of thing was expressed as a demand!

(And she seems to mind that it's only dithered B+W not at all,
which is more than I can say for her father 8-)


-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
kassover@ra.crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: paula@helix.nih.gov (Paula Moore)
Subject: Hair washing tricks
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:48:28 GMT

It's been a while since there's been a discussion of washing the hair of
an unwilling toddler but I wanted to say it looks like we, at least for
now, have the situation in hand.  And thank you Laura Floom for your
idea of towel around the washer's waist and washee's face in the towel.
I'd tried all sorts of things and then a couple weeks ago tried that.
It's been wonderful not having tears when it comes time for getting my
daughter's hair wet.  My 2 year old now puts her face into the towel and
when I really need her to look up to get soap out of around her face, we've
been looking for unusual things on the ceiling - purple grasshoppers,
elephants, whatever I can think of ("Do you think there's an elephant on
the ceiling? Let's look")  I try to come up with things she'll think are
silly.  But the best was the other night when her hair was done and she
could go back to playing, she looked at me and said "Not too bad".

Paula Moore
paula@pandora.dcrt.nih.gov
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Wednesday, 19 Aug 1992 12:23:49 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: New England area misc.kidders picnic

new england's a BIG area!  what state were you plannign to have this
in, please?
                                            -ailsa
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Paper vs Cloth? 
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:51:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.151442.18455@ttinews.tti.com> reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>
>They are great.  Brands vary somewhat; the best we found were Nikkys,
>which are (surprise) among the most expensive.  A good source is mail
>order from Baby Bunz & Co. I don't have the address or number, but
>they advertise in most of the baby magazines.  We did not like
>Diaperwraps at all (they may have imporved in the last three years).
>They leaked, but that probably depends a lot on how your baby is
>shaped.  I'd recommend cloth covers over plastic, since it "breathes".
>

Thats what I had always thought, but I got tired of those expensive Nikkis
wearing out, so I tried Dappis instead. They also wear out, but with Dappis
it is the velcro that wears out and with Nikkis the fabric justs stops 
holding in the moisture. Right after I threw out the last batch of leaky
Nikkis, someone, (and I am pretty sure it was you, Reid) posted about some
stuff you can use on Nikkis to restore their abilities. If it was you can
you repeat it, and tell us where to get it?

Anyway, Dappis are $6 and Nikkis are more then twice that. Even Dappis which
are nylon convered in a cotton/poly blend with still breath plenty because it
isnt necessary to have them on that tight. If the diapers are not saturated
then the pee is going to go directly on to the diaper and not leak out, and
even poopys are going to (usually ;-( ) be held in by the gussets. Traditional
rubber pants have a tight elastic arounf the legs and waist and disposables
also seem to fit with a tight seal. For us, diaper covers, no matter what they
are made of seem to be winners because of the ability to allow air circulation.

BTW, a disclaimer - I hated Dappis for Jeffrey when he was anewborn. The
smalles size was too big - and he was a 9 pounder. But, it may not be as
necessary to get 100% cotton/wool as you would think. This info may be helpful
to people who are put off by the price of some diaper covers.

Laura Floom
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Ear Thermometers
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:36:16 GMT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <14050@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:

> What's wrong with taking the temperature under the arm? I mean this as a 
> serious question, not a flame: I've been doing it under the arm, and I want 
> to know if there's any problem with this. It just seems too easy to be 
> adequate!

 maybe it's just that my baby at 
> 3.7 months has not yet demonstrated to me how hard it can be to hold him
> still for one minute.


Paula, you are exactly right:  your baby isn't old enough yet to show you how
tough it can be to take his temperature under the arm, orally or rectally! 
Part of it is, of course, that when most kids don't feel well they don't want
anybody messing around with them except for rocking/comforting.  And eventually
they learn to associate thermometers with medicine or visits to doctors and
that causes uproar too.  So, the ear thermometer is a blessing.  

Does this sound like another one of those obnoxious "just you wait..."
responses?  Sorry!  :)

Ann Helmers

P.S.  Just don't let what happened to my baby happen to yours:  the first time
I saw the ear thermometer used at my ped.'s office was when we had gone in for
a suspected ear infection.  The nurse came in, whipped it out (I didn't know
WHAT it was) and stuck it right in the sore ear!  :(
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kuusama@kaarne.cs.tut.fi (Kuusama Juha)
Subject: Re: how long to feel back normal after pregnancy? (with : -)
Organization: Finnish University and Research Network FUNET
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:08:04 GMT

It will take 20 years: 18 years to ket kids to move out, 2 years for
recovery.
--
Juha
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From: eg1n+@andrew.cmu.edu (Eli Brian Goldberg)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Fwd: WINGS ed. package from NSA, info anyone?
Date: 22 Aug 92 10:50:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.8eZcmAy00WA78fLVhR
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


      One person recently (3 weeks ago?) asked about Wings; I forwarded the
message to Lindy Sears who is familiar with it.  Here is her reply; if anyone
knows who the original poster was, _please_ forward it to him/her since
that message has scrolled off on my site! Thanks!
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To: eg1n+@andrew.cmu.edu
Subject: Re: Fwd: WINGS ed. package from NSA, info anyone?
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 92 23:50:09 EDT
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My 3-year-old, Jordi, just started the Wings program this month. Her
8-year-old sister is extremely gifted, and any materials I could find worked
great with her, but the little one needs more help. The wings program
evaluation found her above average in all areas, and sent materials to build
on her strongest areas. She has patience with Wings, which she hasn't had
with anything else we've tried. The program builds on itself for the whole
year, and at the end of the year the evaluation is repeated to show the
child's progress. Her big sister was reading at 2 1/2, so comparisons are
certainly unfair, but hard to avoid. This is the first educational system
we've used with Jordi that makes her look like a normal, bright child rather
than a frustrated baby. We have lots of other materials at home that her
sister used and outgrew, but this one is tailored just for her. I's
expensive, but any individually developed program will be, and by having NSA
do the developement, you save on products you would buy that don't work. For
us it was a savings in the long run, but we had lots of trial and error for
Cacie. We couldn't afford to do it again.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: dmc@sei.cmu.edu (Dawn Cappelli)
Subject: What to do with a late talker?
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:16:24 GMT


My daughter is 26 months old & is way behind the other kids in talking.  I know 
I shouldn't compare her, but she only says single words, and not all that 
many of them, and not all that well, while the other 2 year olds around (and 
younger) are putting words together already.

I know there's nothing wrong with her mentally (she can put together 
puzzles for ages 3-5 all by herself with no problem), and the pediatrician said
that as long as she understands & responds to what others say to her that 
there's no problem.  I also don't think that she has a hearing problem.  I
think she's just stubborn, and doesn't feel like talking yet - she is a 
stubborn child!

I'm just wondering whether
	1. anyone has any advice on how I can get her to talk more. 
	2. anyone has any experience with speech therapy.  My pediatrician 
		said that if she's not talking pretty well by 2 1/2 then we 
		should put her into speech therapy simply because her 
		social interaction with the other kids will be impacted if we 
		don't.

Thanks!



------------
Dawn Cappelli			dmc@sei.cmu.edu   
Software Engineering Institute	(412) 268-6170
Pittsburgh, PA
From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:54:17 GMT
Organization: nyet

In article <1992Aug17.130252.3254@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
...
>
>I also have to remember that those arrogant people with whom I disagree so
>strongly may well be *right*.

We don't care whether they're right or wrong, insofar as we can
define those concepts.  We want them to be not arrogant.

I think the members of this newsgroup ought to go home and read
some vintage Dr. Suess.  In particular, "The Sneetches" (which is
followed, in one edition, by "The Zax".  Which is also somehow
appropriate)



-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
kassover@ra.crd.ge.com