Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 16:56:26 EDT
From: gaynet@gallifrey.kent.edu
Reply-To: gaynet@gallifrey.kent.edu
Subject: GayNet Digest Volume 0 Issue 5
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.gaynet

In this issue:
                Cornell non-discrimination policy tested
                           A Mensch Among Men
                       gaynet digest volume 0 is
                             LGB Musicians
                                 800 #s
                      YAY for parents who love us!
                            DC and the Quilt
                     Gay/Lesbian Periodicals Index
                    GayNetters Working At The Quilt
                          out, living and gay
              BUSH appoints MARY FISHER to AIDS Commission
                     GayNet Digest Volume 0 Issue 4
     Queer Students in Connecticutt try to bar military recruiters
                           grad school Q & A
                              Trent Dimas
   NGLTF 1992 _CREATING CHANGE_ Conference Los Angeles November 13-15

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 12:27:43 EDT
From: scottc@magneto.ee.cornell.edu (Scott Chesney)
Subject: Cornell non-discrimination policy tested

I thought the net might be interested in an incident which has
put Cornell's new policy to a test...

Two summers ago, after much prodding from the Cornell Les, Gay, Bi
Coalition and other student and faculty groups, the Board of Trustees
unexpectedly added sexual orientation to the list of protected
minorities.

Last March, I and my boyfriend were talking in a campus dining unit
with a professor friend of ours. Jon and I were holding hands, and
occasionally touching each other. We weren't trying to make a statement,
just being affectionate in a discreet and acceptable (if we were straight!)
fashion. While we were talking, the manager (Doug) of the diner said
something to us that we didn't quite catch. A minute or two later, he
raised his voice and told us "I mean it. You can't do that in here."
We didn't even know what he was talking about until he pointed at Jon
and me. Ritch, the professor friend, jumped up and pointed out a straight
couple who were being much more physical.  Doug's response was "I don't
care about them but it's against our policy to allow your behavior in
here. Either stop or leave." He became increasingly belligerant and
almost violent and irrational. Eventually we left as we were concerned
for our safety.

I was stunned that such a thing could happen on a supposedly enlightened
campus, so I immediately wrote a letter to the local paper and to
everyone in the administration I could think of. I couldn't mention
Jon's name because he was in ROTC (he got out at the end of last year).
I did mention (to the admins, not to the paper) the fact that Doug
himself is gay.

The ombudsman's office tried to negotiate a settlement between us. My
main demand was a written apology from Doug. I also requested an invest-
igation of policy at the student union where the diner was and
employee training to prevent this from happening in the future. We've
made some progress on the latter of these two, but my main thrust has
been the apology. Doug was all set to write it when the story hit the
front page of the paper. After that he was so pissed off at the coverage
(even though he wasn't outed) that he wouldn't do it. Finally, at the
end of the summer the University through the office of equal opportunity
recommended that he be made to apologize and determined that he had
violated university policy.

He did finally come through with an apology, but did not really accept
blame for himself.  He claimed that he had received no training on
the CU policy about discrimination and blamed his supervisor.

I guess the point is that the policy has worked (sort of) and that
the local media has taken it very seriously. It's gotten front page
in the local paper twice, and ran recently on the first page second
section in the Syracuse paper. Doug will certainly never make the
mistake again, and most people on campus are aware now of the policy
and it's ramifications.

I feel sorry for Doug that he could be so internally oppressed that
even the sight of gay men who are comfortable with themselves and are
excercising their rights as equal members of the Cornell community would
drive him to violence and irrationality. I hope that we can all gain
something from this though: that we don't have to accept discrimination
anymore and that we must stand up for our rights where we have a legal
basis and that we must change the laws where we don't.

I'd be interested to hear comments on this. As it is, the results are
not quite what I would have hoped, but I think they're pretty good, and
I don't think I have the energy to pursue this any further.

Scott Chesney (scottc@magneto.cornell.edu)
Ithaca, NY

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From: 75furlong@cua.edu
Subject: A Mensch Among Men
Organization: The Catholic University of America
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:20:19 GMT

The author of "A Mensch among Men" is Harry Brod (currently a prof of
philosophy and gender studies at Kenyon College and an all-around good person).

I've not read the book, but he used excerpts from it in lectures for his class
on "Theories of Liberation." (A class I hold dear to my heart, since I came out
right around midterms...:-)

-Alison
    ***********************************************************
    * Alison Furlong      ---- * "I have been deceived"       *
    * 75furlong@cua.edu   \bi/ * "No - you have been refused" *
    *                      \/  *           - G. Stein         *
    ***********************************************************

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From: Paul Bobbitt <paul.bobbitt@canrem.com>
Date: 	Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:00:00 -0400
Subject: gaynet digest volume 0 is

UG>I just got off the phone with the Oregon Governors office. They are compiling
 a
UG>tally of the numbers of calls they are getting about Measure 9. Please call
UG>them and tell them you are not in support of Measure 9. It does not mater
 where
UG>you are from. The number of the Governor is

UG>   503-378-3111

Thanks for the number, Ron.  I just got off the phone with the office
of the Governor of Oregon.  The woman there was kind enough to add my
"No on 9" vote to the list.  She was, however, a tad surprised to hear
that I was a citizen of Toronto, Canada.

Let's face it, these phone polls are about the only time I get to make
a difference in America.  Give me some more numbers!  <grin>

Paul D. Bobbitt
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Date: 07 Oct 1992 11:11:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: SLOMOWR@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
Subject: LGB Musicians
Mime-Version: 1.0

I spent the summer working on a list of lgb musicians for my proposal
for the gay radio show here at Vanderbilt.  If everyone is interested,
I could type it up here also..

By the way, Ron Buckmire, on your list, are Dee-Lite and The Smiths really
openly lgb?  Just wondering.. I had heard rumors but nothing substantial.

-= RoNaLd =-

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 11:08:09 cdt
From: "Miller,L Megan" <MILLERL@AC.GRIN.EDU>
Subject: 800 #s

anyone who calls 800 #s in attempts to eat up time and cost the organizations
$ should know that when you call on an 800 # the organization/corporation
automatically gets all the information about the phone from which you are
calling-- so if you call from your home phone they'll find out all about you
and your address and can start bombarding you will mail, sell your name to
other companies, keep statistics on you, etc.  So, if you want to protect
your identity from Corporate Big Brother, when you call those 800 #s you
might want to call from a pay phone or another anonymous source.
Megan

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:49 EST
From: DUBO5416@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
Subject: YAY for parents who love us!
X-Organization: SUNY at Plattsburgh, New York, USA

I would just like to say that the supportive letter on the net 10/7 from
Nancy Hess was really heart warming!  I love to see parents giving their
support to a child out of love and responsibility, than just listening to
the problems they face.  Keep up the good work, and Heidi, your mom is
wonderful!

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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 92  12:36:57 EDT
From: "Leonard P. Hirsch" <INCEM005%SIVM.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      DC and the Quilt

From: Leonard P. Hirsch
      Office of International Relations/Q-3123
      (202) 357-4788

Welcome to DC for all of you coming to see the quilt. There will be
performances of "Quilt--A Musical Celebration" at the National Museum of
Natural History, Baird Auditorium during the weekend. (Tickets are $12.) Dates
and times are: Wed 10/7-8pm; Thurs 10/8-8pm; Fri 10/9-noon, 2pm, 8pm; Sat
10/10-2pm, 10pm (after the candlelight vigil); Sun 10/11-2pm, 8pm. Hope you
can join.

Tomorrow, Thursday 10/8, the Smithsonian Lesbian and Gay Brown Bag Lunch will
be meeting at noon. Feel free to join us (bring a lunch)! We will be in room
3037 in the S. Dillon Ripley Center on the mall (address 1100 Jefferson Drive,
SW). This is underground just west of the Smithsonian Castle--where the big
banner for the armor exhibition is.

Visit Dorothy's slippers (with the rainbow behind it) at the American History
museum, and enjoy DC.

+-----------------------------------------------------+
|  Leonard Hirsch (202) 357-4788/FAX (202)786-2557    |
|  Smithsonian Institution  BITNET INCEM005@SIVM      |
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Date:         Wed, 07 Oct 92 12:16:16 EDT
From: "Michael S. Montgomery" <MICHAEL@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
Subject:      Gay/Lesbian Periodicals Index

At last available is a major reference tool that this librarian has been
awaiting eagerly for some time.  This is the information I received in the
mail yesterday:

"Two years in preparation, the first volume of the _Gay/Lesbian Periodicals
Index_ is now available for distribution.  It is now possible to locate--in
a single source--references to thousands of articles on every aspect of gay
life: Federal, state, and local legislation; significant court cases; reports
of victories and losses in the business, political, military, and human
rights arenas; prominent personalities; medical information; and reviews of
books, cinema, theater, and music.

"The 1990 _Gay/Lesbian Periodicals Index_ contains almost 33,000 entries
based on the contents of twenty-nine leading gay and lesbian publications.
The _Index_ is available in microfiche format at a cost of $40.00 plus
shipping.  Please fill out the order form below and enclose your check or
money order.  Allow four to six weeks for delivery."
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
To: Integrity Indexing, P.O. Box 33094, Charlotte, NC 28233-3094, USA

From: Name

   Address


   ____copies of 1990 _Gay/Lesbian Periodicals Index_ @ $40.00 ________
                                                   Shipping       2.50
                                    Sales tax (NC residents)   ________
                                              Total enclosed   ________
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I talked with the editor, Alan Greenberg, this morning on the phone.  He
says that whether there will be a 1991-  Index will depend largely on the
availability of future funding, which will of course depend on how well
the first volume sells.  So please apprise your local librarians about this
resource and argue strenuously for its acquisition.  Thanks!
                                                             Mike

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From: Mark Hertzog <mwh8h@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 13:42:08 EDT
Subject: GayNetters Working At The Quilt

Howdy!  Ron Biduk and Terence Ma already have posted that they'll be working
at the Quilt in Washington and that they'd like to meet other GayNetters who
are there.  Would any others of y'all who will be working or visiting the
Quilt and want to meet up write either me or the Net?  And Ron and Terence,
would you re-post, for those of us dumb enough to have deleted your earlier
posts (beginning with me!), how we can find/get in touch with you in D.C. and
what times you'll be there?
     Thanks a zillion!

*hughughug*,
MarkMarkMark

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:09:15 -0600 (PDT)
From: John Medlin <jmedlin@u.washington.edu>
Subject: out, living and gay
Mime-Version: 1.0

I know it's too late, but did anyone include Allan Gurganus, author, on
the list?  (The Oldest Living Confederate Widow Tells All, and a
latercollection of short stories...)

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Subject: BUSH appoints MARY FISHER to AIDS Commission
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 14:10:27 -0400
From: Ron Buckmire <buckmr@rpi.edu>

Seen on clarinet:

        WASHINGTON (UPI) -- Moving to defuse the controversy about his
embattled AIDS commission, President Bush appointed Mary Fisher
Wednesday to replace basketball superstar Earvin ``Magic'' Johnson.
        Sporting a red AIDS awareness ribbon, Bush met briefly at the White
House with Fisher, who told reporters after the session that she would
work to get the panel's recommendations approved by the president.

``SPORTING A RED AIDS AWARENESS RIBBON''??? I think I understand how those
people in the WHY I HATE GAY MEN manifesto published duiring the NYC Pride
Parade say that they will never wear a red ribbon again.



- -
RON BUCKMIRE
The Anna Quindlen Fan Club
11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8919

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:34:16 -0600 (PDT)
From: Randall Hensley <rhensley@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: GayNet Digest Volume 0 Issue 4
Mime-Version: 1.0

concerning Kristin B.'s posting about EKU Library and their reluctance to
sponsor a gay related display...I have some suggestions.  For the group
wishing to have the display, they might try contacting the Kentucky
Library Association.  The issue is could be interpretated as intellectual
freedom and censorship.  Many state library associations have intellectual
freedom committees or social responsibility round tables that get involved
in situations like this.

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Subject: Queer Students in Connecticutt try to bar military recruiters
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 16:23:51 -0400
From: Ron Buckmire <buckmr@rpi.edu>

The New York Times is reporting on page B7 today [Wed 10/7] that Queer law
students at the University of Connecticutt are using the state's gay rights
law to try to bar military recruiters banned from UConn's campus.

Anyone know more about this?

It looks like it might work. The judge in the case asked Navy recruiters to
postpone visits until she rules on the case next week.


- -
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. `D.C. in 93!''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
According to the Village Voice, the Bush Family is immediately responsible for
losses to the U.S. taxpayer amounting to 2.2 BILLION DOLLARS.

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 13:23:32 -0700
From: shelly@quake.stanford.edu (Shelly Cadora)
Subject: grad school Q & A

Re: Geoffrey's plea for Rhetoric/Gay Studies program--Berkeley has a Rhetoric
department and a reputation for being lbg friendly.  Other good
 interdisciplinary
programs (I don't know how much rhetoric they have) are Stanford's Modern
 Thought
and Santa Cruz's History of Consciousness--strong lbg strain in both.

I'm also looking for grad programs.  Screw this astrophysics stuff, I want to do
feminist/lesbian science criticism and look at connections between sexuality,
gender, and technology in science fiction and cyberpunk.  Any suggestions?

Along that line, has anybody found any good gay/lesbian/feminist cyberpunk or
science fiction novels, stories, etc?  I'd love to hear about it.  My expertise
stops at Joanna Russ and Octavia Butler.  Actually, anything queer and
 technological
would be terrific.  :->

Courage.

Shelly.

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Date: Wednesday,  7 October 92 15:31:30 CST
From: LLRLF%UTXDP.BITNET@utxvm.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Trent Dimas

Several weeks ago (when GayNet was down), I sent an inquiry about Trent
Dimas' appearance on _Good Morning, America_ and was wondering if anyone
out there saw this and could e-mail me as to what was said.  Phil Donahue
had an interesting show several weeks ago about an Austin lesbian couple
who had their wedding announcement printed in a Sunday edition of the
_Austin American-Statesman_ and the conservatives who protested against
it.  Glen Maxey (D-Texas) was also a guest.  Jenny Jones had a show
dealing with gay men and lesbian women who did not fit the "stereotyping"
 mold of the lesbigay lifestyle.  Next week, one of the talk shows has a
topic of celebrities and homosexuality.  I'll let everyone know which talk
show it is and when it will be shown.
Also, any news on Greg Louganis I should know about?

Richard Foster
UT Austin

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Subject: NGLTF 1992 _CREATING CHANGE_ Conference Los Angeles November 13-15
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 16:45:19 -0400
From: Ron Buckmire <buckmr@rpi.edu>

The following was posted to soc.motss:


This is information I pick up from the National Gay Lesbian Task Force
Policy Institute. This was posted here with out their permission.

Creating Change is a registered trade mark of the National Gay Lesbian
Task Force Policy Institute.

National Gay and Lesbian Task Force Policy Institute
1734 14th Street NW
Washington, DC 20009
202-332-6483	202-332-6219 (TTY)

5th Annual

Creating Change 		November 13-15, 1992

Who?

	A National Skills-Building Conference for Gay and Lesbian Organizing

	1,500 - 2,000 gay, lesbian and Bisexual activists from around the
		county.

	100+ workshops presented by national experts in direct action,
		state civil rights bill, sex media skills, fundraising,
		working with a Board of Directors, the changing demographics
		of AIDS, queer art and censorship, much more.

	Plenary speakers:

		Margaret Cerullo, Massachusetts
		Valli Kanuha, New York
		John Preston, Maine
		Phil Willson, California
		Odilia Mendez, Texas
		Angukcuaq, Minnesota
		Paul Monette, California

What?

	The largest annual national gay and lesbian conference:
		Time to Learn Skills,
		Argue Strategy,
		Network,
		Meet the Leaders of Our National Movement

	Three Pre-Conference Institutes

		November 11		Campus Organizing Institute

		November 12		People of Color Organizing Institute

					Diversity Training Institute


How much?

	Conference fees range from $80.00 - $190.00

	Pre-Conference Institute fees range from $45.00 - $165.00


Why?

	Because your life depends on it.


Where and When?

	Los Angeles Airport Hilton, Los Angeles, California

	November 13-15, 1992

______________________________________________________________________________

		Creating Change Registration Form

Registration forms must be postmarked and returned with payment by Friday,
October 23, 1992, to Creating Change 1992, NGLTF Policy Institute, 1734 14th
Street NW, Washington DC 20009-4309. Incomplete forms or forms without payment
will be returned to sender and will result in unnecessary delays. Please
complete a separate form for each participant. No refunds will be given for
registrations canceled after Friday, September 25, 1992. All cancellations
subject to a $25.00 administrative fee. Scholarship assistance for low-income
and student activists is available for the Pre-Conference Institutes and for
the Conference. For more information, see Scholarship Information in this
brochure. Space is limited Register early!!!

Please print

Name ____________________________ Tel Day (   ) __________ Eve (   ) ________

Address _____________________________________________________________________

City ______________________________ State ________________ Zip ______________


	Pre-Conference Institutes	Before 10-23	10/24 - at the door
	(fee includes lunch)

	Individual			$135.00		$165.00
	Coop Org. Member		 $90.00		$120.00
	Student/Limited Income		 $45.00		 $75.00


	Creating Change			Before 10-23	10/24 - at the door
	(fee includes Sunday brunch)

	Individual			$160.00		$190.00
	Coop Org. Member		$120.00		$150.00
	Student/Limited Income		 $80.00		$115.00

	Fee determined by postmark on your envelope!

(Note: The conference goal is to break even. Every effort to insure financial
accessibility - through scholarships and limited income/student fee rates is
being made. Groups with have joined NGLTF are called Cooperating Organizations.
The Cooperating Organizations fee rate is for those who belong to one of these
groups. To find out if your group is a Cooperating Organization or to register
for that status, call Heidi Scanion at NGLTF. If you are registering at this
rate, please list name of Cooperation Organization: _______________________

		Creating Change Conference (Nov. 13-15) __________________

			     Campus Institute (Nov. 11) __________________

	People of Color Organizing Institute (Nov. 12)	__________________
		(for people of color only)

		 Diversity Training Institute (Nov. 12) __________________

	Yes, I want a ticket for the Saturday Night     __________________
			Gala Reception ($35.00)

		    Additional tax-deductible donation  __________________

				 Total amount enclosed  __________________

		Please make checks payable to NGLTF Policy Institute

	To pay with a credit card, Circle one:	VISA	MC

	Name ____________________________  Signature ________________________
	     (as shown on credit card)

	Credit Card No. ___________________ Expiration Date __________________

	Special Needs (please check)

	Note: Creating Change is committed to make this event as accessible as
	possible. All special needs requests must be received by Friday,
	October 16, 1992 in order to be adequately addressed.

	__	Accessibility Assistance

	__	ASL Interpretation

	__	Braille/Taped Conference Materials

	__	Other Language Interpretation

	__	Child care

	__	Community Housing (Creating Change cannot guarantee the
		availability of community housing)

	__	Vegetarian meals


	Additional Information

	__	I am interested in assisting Creating Change financially,
		Please send Conference Contributor Information.

	__	I am interested in exhibiting at Creating Change. Please send
		exhibitor information. (deadline 10/12/92)

	__	I am interested in scheduling a video presentation. Please send
		scheduling information. (deadline 10/12/92)

	__	I am interested in advertising on the Creating Change
		Program Book. Please send advertising rates.

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RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C. in '93!''
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
Samuel R. Delany, Jodie Foster, Barry Diller, Martina Navratilova, k. d. lang,
Audre Lorde, David Geffen, Bob Jackson-Paris, Greg Louganis, Whitney Houston.

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