HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: smith@ctron.com (Larry Smith)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:59:25 GMT
Reply-To: smith@ctron.com
Followup-To: talk.religion.newage
Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Oct12.010905.6134@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath) writes:
>|> John Winston.
>?????

He has that effect on people.  ;)

Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com)  No, I don't speak for Cabletron.  Need you ask?
-
Liberty is not the freedom to do whatever we want,
it is the freedom to do whatever we are able.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: radams@cerritos.edu
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: THE DIVINE MASTERS
Date: 14 Oct 92 06:01:56 GMT
Organization: Cerritos College, Norwalk CA

In article <1992Oct13.182218.1737@cnsvax.uwec.edu>, 
mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:

>                Secondly, and more importantly, after a particular 
>           Master physically dies and leaves this world, there is 
>           NOTHING that He can do for ANYbody except for the relatively 
>           few people that He INITIATED while He was still physically 
>           alive. 
>       

A master has no such limitation. St. Francis of Asisi, 400 years after Christ
was a disciple of Christ and communed with him daily. Only unrealized souls
are subject to the limitations that you speak of.  Anyone who wishes to
attune herself/himself to Christ can do so and be guided by this great master.


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	Roger Adams
	radams@cerritos.edu               To those in whom love dwells,
	Cerritos College                  the whole world is one family.
	11110 Alondra Blvd                             A Hindu Proverb
        Norwalk, California 90650
	USA        		          292 Dwapara :-)
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From: farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: solar plexus energy movement, opening of the crown (esoteric)
Keywords: meditation,chakra,Kundalini
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:10:18 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1bj78uINN278@gap.caltech.edu>, tt@wag.caltech.edu (Toshi Takeuchi) writes:
: [...]
: Chinese, Tibetan forms of mysticism work mainly with the solar
: plexus system, as evidenced by Lorenzo's meditation.
: 
: Hindu, Tantric paths emphasize root/crown relationships, i.e. the root
: system.
: 
: They are however interconnected, as I have described in this post...
: 
: Happy meditating!!
: 
: Toshi
: tt@wag.caltech.edu

Very interesting. I would very much like to hear more about these
energy pathways. Are there only two? What texts could I refer to, if
this is not oral teachings? Feel free to email me directly if
you think this is getting too detailed for the newsgroup.
One comment: Tibetan Yoga describes itself as tantric.
			Curiously yours,
				Lorenzo
-- 
"The Hell Law says that Hell is reserved      ***************************
exclusively for them that believe in it.      *	Lorenzo Farris           
Further, the lowest Rung in Hell is 	      *	farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu
reserved for them that believe in it on the   ***************************
supposition that they'll go there if they
don't" -Honest Book of Truth; the Gospel According to Fred, 3:1
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Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
From: quirke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:00:33 NZST
Organization: Welligton City Council, Public Access.
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:

> WE ARE ALL ALIENS. By that I mean that we as a 
> civilization did not originate or evolve on this particular planet.

   There's civilization on this planet ? Perhaps you're percieving a
hallucination ...

Tony Q



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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: Thu,  8 Oct 92 18:09:48 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
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Dear Folks: It looks like the Ley Line selection got taken off and 
I consider that to be a good deal because I was running out of Ley 
Line related material. I will now put down a litte bit of material
about the underground city in death valley and then get on the other 
material. 
John Winston.
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Date: Thu,  8 Oct 1992 17:12:00 -0400 
From: William Perrin Slease <ws1q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re:Sexuality & Religion

>As was more apparent later in your post, I think that you posit the
>separation of body/mind/spirit which is quite Christian in origin.  You

Just wanted to set the record straight:

The body/mind/spirit split soul/flesh stuff is actually of Greek
philosophical origin and was embraced (possibly mistakenly) by the early
Christian church with the main purpose of evangelizing to a part of the
world that perceived life in that manner.  Original Hebrew thought  -
which shouldn't be separated from the history of Christianity because,
afterall, this is where Christ was coming from -  held that the whole of
a persons being could be summed up in the heart.  (Not the muscle that
pumps away in our chest but a more 'mystical' kind of life's center) 
The religion that Jesus taught was therefore much more wholistic than
what some Christian circles erroneously teach today.  Christianity
involves all areas of life not just salvation of the soul, but a
redirecting of your whole mindset, spirituality and physical engagements.

After writing all that, I guess you could say that the separation bit is
Christian in origin.  I guess it depends on your definition of
Christianity.  I would rather say that the separation
philosophy/theology that so influenced the church during the
enlightenment especially is more an origin of mistaken interpretation
and poor communication of a much larger thought.  Hence today's habit of
reducing obediance to Christ as confessing every Sunday and maybe
skipping the hamburger on Fridays but continuing to fashion our own
rules for everyday life.

So you see we've sort of shut God up in the Chruch and now the battle
that is going on is to see whether we want to lock the door or let him
out.  Locking the door would be to give up even the little bit of
obediance we have left in ceratin areas and write our own rules:  "Do
what thou will shall be the whole of the law."  kind of stuff.  Openeing
the door would be recognizing or submitting to God's guidance in
Everything.

You can probably tell from my language that I'm a pretty strong believer
in opening the door.  (otherwise I would have used words like oppresion
rather than obediance).  And I'm truly sorry if I've offended anyone
becuase that just tends to close peoples minds (or rather hearts if you
will) but like I said I felt like I needed to set the record straight on
some things and I guess I got a little carried away.  I'd like to hear
people's thoughts on this and especially the thoughts of people who
consider themselves both Christian and New Age.  What is your perception
of the teaching of New Age:  Is "Do what thou will shall be the whole of
the law" compatible with obediance to God?  
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 92 06:27:09 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Everybody: I just got back from Mt. Shasta last night and will
fill you in on things. Remember OOBE train tonight (wednesday). Same 
time same station. 
John Winston.  Must go to work now. 
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: doug@uuisis.isis.org (Doug Thompson)
Subject: Re: A Course In Miracles / Reincarnation
Organization: International Shared Information Service (Ottawa)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 02:41:24 GMT
Keywords: A Course In Miracles

firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth) writes:

> In article <1992Oct7.093915.1573@ntb.ch> milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom) writes:
> 
> >I remember that Jesus said, insisted in fact, that John the Baptist was the 
> >reincarnation of Isiah. (Matthew 11, 15 confirms this, but I believe there i
> >a better quote somewhere.)
> 
> Then you'd better find it, since the above verse says nothing of the kind.

It wasn't Isaiah, it was Elijah. The Pharisees even expected Elijah's
return (reincarnation?) to signal the arrival of the Messiah.

Now, to be fair, the Old Testament tradition says Elijah was 'taken up
into heaven' - he didn't die, and therefore his return wouldn't quite
qualify as ordinary re-incarnation in certain aspects.  But John was
born in the ordinary way to Mary's cousin Elizabeth, according to the
New Testament. 

So - it is pretty clear that the Bible says that Elijah/John were the
same person and that Elijah is gonna come back and that John was Elijah.

To that extent, re-incarnation is certainly suggested in the Bible.
Jesus says *he* is coming back, but to be fair, tradition holds that his
'death' was somewhat irregular.

When asked about reincarnation Jesus said that people would not be born
and live again "in this world".  At least he is reported to have said
that.  A great deal of speculation has been vented on just what "in this
world" really might mean. 

Now I haven't investigated how re-incarnation was viewed in the early
Church (pre-Nicean Christianity). I have heard it said by many people
who have that re-incarnation was generally accepted and believed in by
Jews and Christians of the first few centuries.

What I do know from my own research is that Christian belief in the
first couple of centuries A.D. was very eclectic and a great many
beliefs were held by practicing Christians which would today be thought
of as heresy.

Likewise there were generally accepted dogmas in the early years that
were disposed of later. One of those was that a Christian could not be a
soldier - or a soldier could not be a Christian.

So it would surprise me greatly if there weren't quite a number of
Christians in the pre-Nicean church who held a belief in re-incarnation
and who didn't find any contradiction between that and their belief in
Christ. 

In recent times a lot of Christians have lost the fear of adopting ideas
and beliefs that diverge from the official doctrines of the Church. I
consider myself a Christian (there are some who would disagree) and I am
reasonably convinced the re-incarnation is for real.

I see no contradiction between the central thrust of Jesus' teaching and
the ideas of re-incarnation as articulated by the like of Rudolph
Steiner and the school of Anthroposophy. Steiner's teaching on
re-incarnation makes perfectly good sense to me.

However, my mind is open . . . 

=Doug

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From: beaumont@CompSci.Bristol.AC.UK (Tony Beaumont)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Date: 13 Oct 92 11:27:27 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, University of Bristol, UK.

In article <67455@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
> Subject: Big Foot. Part 2.
>   We left our psychic saying to the Big Foot, big lug I couldn't hurt
    you if I tried (or something like that)...  The BF then said that
    every time he comes in contact with one of our kind they try to
    hurt him...  a man was after a deer and saw me. It scared him very
    much and he shot me with his larger rifle I haven't attempted to
    make any contact with your type of people until I came in contact
    with this nice man who has given me food.  That' about all of the
    story that Merele told me.

Isn't there a comedy soap on TV with this as the plot!
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 06:20:05 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Earth Folk: As most of you know Kibo has been elected the Spokesman
of the Earth. Long live Kibo.  What would you say if you 
were the representative of a certain planet like Monka is, if these
people were sending probes and radio transmissions to other planet when
they already had frozen pilots of these other planets and only unthawed
these pilots every few years to interogate them about advanced weaponry?
What would you tell your own People.
John Winston
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: Thu,  8 Oct 92 18:11:53 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
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1>
Dear Ruins People:
  In the last week I've been getting more information in on the underground 
city in Death Valley. One of the readers of this Net says that he works 
within 10 miles of Wingate Pass on a contract with the Navy. Now if you 
remember Wingate Pass is the place where the prospector was in the old mine 
and fell into the tunnel that was over 20 miles long.  We have a little bad 
news from this person.  He says that the Navy claims this area for their own 
and has guards that attempt to keep people out of the area.  If these guards 
are anyway like the guards that patrol Groom Lake then they are meaner that 
a bunch of junkyard dogs. I used to be in the Navy myself.  At Groom Lake 
they will stop you at gun point, ask what your secret clearance is and when 
you show it they will tell that it's not nearly high enough. Senator 
Goldwater was not even allowed into some of these areas in the past. After 
threatening you they will cuss you out and threaten you with everything in 
the book. At Groom Lake they have been known to run you off the road with a 
helicopter. It seems like everytime I plan to go somewhere to look for space 
people the Navy is there. I know they feel that they are just doing their 
job.
  I got a call from Robert Stanley and he says that a person has told him 
about another ruins of an ancient city and it's near Monterey, Calif.  I'll 
keep you all informed.
John Winston. 

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attempt to keep people out of the area.  If the

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alloweedd in these areas in the past. After threateni
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 06:26:54 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Oct14.190727.27841@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>

Dear Person: Yes I believe you have caught my mistake. I misspelled the
word Hyprobeans one time. Is that a funny name or what?
John Winston.
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Fri,  9 Oct 92 06:41:39 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <67394@cup.portal.com>

Dear Everbody: I was asked what happened on my last trip to Mt. Shasta.
I went around and collected a bunch of free tree logs to do a little
work on our summer housing unit that my wife and I are building. I 
made a trip over to Bunny Flats , Sand Flats and Panther Meadows to look 
for a person who is tall, has a beard and drives a white truck. Some
people from the Solar Cross Organization were contacted by this person
on two occasions and taught a lot of things. He is from the inside of
Mt. Shasta. I didn't have the pleasure of meeting him. We also prepared
our property and housing unit for winter. It sometimes snows about
125 inches of snow on the top of Mt. Shasta.
John  Winston
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 06:31:01 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <67455@cup.portal.com> <2296@csisles.Bristol.AC.UK>

Dear Big Foot Watchers: I believe there was a TV show about Big Foot
and one word of the name of the show was Hairy.
John Winston.
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:20:17 -0400 
From: William Perrin Slease <ws1q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: retraction

:I might say this, but I probably wouldn't, not being a Christian.

Sorry Lorenzo.  I meant to say Arnold.  I realise you might take offense
to that and I apologize again.

Bill
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From: nordenga@tc.fluke.COM (Arnold E. Nordeng)
Subject: Re: Proof: God wrote the Bible
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:02:06 GMT

In article <3290@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> jcollier@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (John Donald Collier) writes:
>
>Some errors in the Bible about easily observable facts:

[List of biblical difficulties deleted]

Pick up Gleason Archer's 'Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties'. Zondervan, 1982.
Mr. Archer does a decent job of answering your problems.

>-- 
>John Collier 			Email: jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
>HPS -- U. of Melbourne		  	Fax:   61+3 344 7959
>Parkville, Victoria, AUSTRALIA 3052

-Arnold Nordeng
nordenga@tc.fluke.COM
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 06:32:07 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
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Someone just informed me that the name of the show is Hairy and the 
Hendersons. Sorry about that.
John Winston
From: farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Becoming aware
Date: 12 Oct 92 12:16:32 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Oct10.213354.7488@leland.Stanford.EDU>, yunus@loro-next.Stanford.EDU (Jonas Sami Celebiler) writes:
> 
> As written in the previous post, meditation and supression of emotions is  
> definatedly not the only way to achieve awareness (is it a way at all).   
> On the contrary, for me what has given me alot of my awareness, is the  
> intelligent use of alcohol (something 99% of the population of this stupid  
> country--hate to say it but it's also my country--- don't understand or  
> know anything about).   I guess if you push that logic to its extremes you  
> go into drugs and induced states and stuff, but I myself haven't gone that  
> far, and I'm doing just fine with alcohol (where I can find it in this  
> dictatorial oppressive police-state).

I am one of the 99%.  Please explain what you have achieved and how
through the use of alcohol. 
Also, suppression of emotions has little to do with meditation.
Someone may think it does, but I will bet they have a pretty tough
time meditating, let alone living.
			-Lorenzo
-- 
"the Hell Law states that hell is reserved  
for those that believe in it, with the          Lorenzo Farris
lowest rung of hell being reserved for          farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu
those that believe in it on the supposition 
that they will go there if they don't"      
        -Principia Discordia                
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 06:24:05 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <67562@cup.portal.com> <1992Oct12.174659.14724@m.cs.uiuc.edu>
  <1992Oct12.210510.19409@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>

Dear Map Experts: It seems that I have touched a nerve with my mentioning
the map. I will have to be more careful next time and not talk about
such things.  It is a very deep subject.
John Winston. Of course facetious is my middle name, John F. Winston
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From: spackman@disco-sol.dfki.uni-sb.de (Stephen Spackman)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: 16 Oct 92 10:35:23 GMT
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Reply-To: stephen@acm.org
Organization: DFKI Saarbruecken GmbH, D-W 6600 Saarbruecken

In article <67474@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
|Dear People: Please disregard all of the letters behind my name. My 
|computer is acting up. I woke up with what I consider to be a profound
|thought and that is WE ARE ALL ALIENS. By that I mean that we as a 
|civilization did not originate or evolve on this particular planet.
|John Winston.

Personally, I did not originate or evolve on ANY particular planet. I'm
not sure if this makes me an alien or not.

stephen
From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Lots of questions
Date: 10 Oct 1992 19:39:47 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, kambic@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Bonus, Iniquus, Celer - Delegitus Duo) says:

>The "new age" was essentially started by Madame Blatavsky (sp?) in the late
>1800's.  Why?  Money, what else?

Not only can't you spell (are you a republicanoe?) but you are the first
'scholar' in the world to state that Blavatsky (Helena Petrova) started
her organization (name it!) to MAKE MONEY, HA!  Grow up! Study *HARDER*!

Tony
-- 
Tony Alicea
Annapolis
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