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From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Upcoming Image Comics (no flames please)
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:55:31 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>This brings up a question. The only scripts I've seen are the Sandman scripts
>published in the third collection and over in the late r.a.c. Those were
>fairly descriptive of what each panel should include. I wonder if Moore
>does this sort of script and whether such a script would make McFarlane's
>job easier or more difficult.

I think much more difficult.  McFarlane is used to working off of very compact
scripts (PAD, Michelinie), and Moore is VERY precise and detailed.  This,
perhaps, will show McFly what a real script is, and in turn, what discipline
is.


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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: CEREBUS recommendations?
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:36:02 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


I'll buck the trend and give you a solid recommendation: Ask for
"High Society". The first phone book just isn't as good as Dave
can manage. All right, neither is High Society, but it's got some
of his funniest stuff, and gives you a good idea what he's
capable of. ALso, as has been said, you can pick things up as you
go along in High Society. I, on the other hand, started reading
early in Church & State, and it was brutal. The problem wasn't
that I didn't understand what was going on; it was that I didn't
know what I ought to know. Have of the obscure references were to
things new to the Cerebus faithful. A reader from issue #1 could
say, "Ah, this is our first look at the inside of Cirin's
government." I, on the other hand, didn't know who Cirin was, or
how much had been said about her. For all I knew, she had never
been mentioned before; or, on the other hand, all of this could
have been just a new perspective on stuff that had been in the
comic for years. Most confusing.

(On the plus side: For many issues, I read about people stressing
over this powerful and dangerous "Lord Julius"; will he do this
or that, can Cerebus talk him into rebelling against Weisshaupt,
etc. When I finally saw Lord Julius, I nearly plotzed.)
-- 
Andrew M. Solovay       "Work is the curse of the drinking class."
solovay@netcom.com			--Wilde

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From: GILBERT@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU
Subject: Re: Frank Robbins (Re: Liefield stuff)
Organization: Rice University  
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 04:17:19 GMT

Frank Robbins was a poor old man ground down by a heartless, meaningless
job by the time you all saw his work. He did some great stuff on that
40's/50's daily strip, the title of which was Johnny Thunder (?).
But even beyond that his late 70's Shadow stories and the stuff he did
for DC's _Plop!_ had a perverse and pervasive character (not to mention
some solid draftsmanship) that the current crop of superhero hacks
can only dream of approaching. I bet you people hated Jack Kirby's
latter stuff (Eternals, Capt. America, Black Panther, etc.) too.
Funky material, to be sure, but so much more interesting and creative
than this current drek.
 
peeshaw,
--S.A.G.
 
 * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . *
 . * . * . * . "I don't want to sober up tonight.  * . * . * . * . * .
 * . * . * . *  I don't want to act like things are alright" * . * . *
 . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * -- Merle Haggard 1980 * . * . * .
 * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . * . *
From: s5484214@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (Jon Luther)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: elmo in LSH lettercol?
Date: 26 Sep 92 18:41:00 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <visser.717449574@convex.convex.com>, visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes...
>In <d=0ny2f.dani@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
> 
>+>morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Thomas Elmo Edison):
>+>>Rumor is, BTW, that LSH sales are in the crapper and T&M are close to
>+>>being removed.  Time to rev up my motors and send in _my_ LSH proposal....
> 
>+>Rumor is that the sales picture doesn't imply good news for *anyone*.
>+>For one thing, LSH is a challenge that few of DC's people are interested
>+>in taking on, so it's highly vulnerable to simply being dropped.  Worse,
>+>I've heard rumors that DC's preferred solution to the poor sales is to
>+>make LSH more like New Titans.  (Maybe we'll get Lobo crossovers instead
>+>of Deathstroke crossovers?)  I'd suggest getting out your prayer wheels.
> 
>	LSH is going to require a start from scratch if a new writer comes
>in because T&M have burned up most of the characters, history and old
>fan loyalty that kept the legion going.  The first few issues were fairly
>intresting, but the whole concept has been collapsing ever since bit-by-bit.
>	If T&M's continuity and rewrites are allowed to stay, LSH is going
>to be dead as a book and as a concept.

     I totally agree...  I LOVED the older Legion, though I really
only knew them for four years before the baxter series became the "new"
legion...  I stuck around for a while, but once Lobo appeared I kinda 
figured the title had gone to pot...  It really was sad to watch such a great
team go down so sadly...  
          Anyone know about that new series that is supposedly coming out
at some point?  I recall hearing a bit about it a while ago...  If it was 
more in flavor of the older series, I'd probably give it a chance, but
the new one simply blows.
                                Jon
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From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Hellblazer #59
Organization: Little Demon-winged Squids of the Poor
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 22:12:47 GMT

In <0_!p_1g.dani@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:

>Ennis is at his worst with blood-all-over-the-floor stories like
>"Royal Blood", and at his best with subtler stories like this one.
>It seems that Constantine's little trick in "Dangerous Habits" is
>coming home to roost.

My theory is that occasionally comic writers take the horror label too 
seriously. They seem to feel a need to copy the "grosser" aspects of
modern horror movies. That or somehow shock us with "deviant" acts and 
assorted weirdness. Sometimes this works, but on the whole I think it's
difficult to do well within the medium. 

"Royal Blood" could have been an interesting story if Ennis hadn't been 
so keen to show us this strange group of the upper class. In fact, I'd 
argue it would have been more interesting if the people trying to deal 
with it were dull bureaucrats. After the first issue or so, the assorted
gore and leather just stopped being interesting. What made "Dangerous
Habits" interesting was that Constantine dealt with different people
and different problems in each issue through most of the story.

Anyway, the current storyline shows all the indications that it should be
as good as "Dangerous Habits." The danger is that Ennis gets caught up in
dealing only with the politics of Hell.  

>Ennis does an elegant job of tying together the continuity from
>Sandman and, to a lesser extent, Demon, to produce a consistent
>political picture of Hell.

It will be interesting to see how the next long arc of Swamp Thing ties
in with all of this. According to the previews, the temporary closing of
Hell allowed A. Arcane to come back to earth. 

I wonder how the changes in the control of Hell's effect Stanley's monster...
--
     Lance "William Blake?" Smith     |   "Bring me my bat of burning gold!
         (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)          |    Bring me my pine tar of desire!
 "The Cat. He walked by himself, and  |    Bring me my glove! O clouds unfold!
    all places were alike to him."    |    Bring me my fastball of fire!"
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From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: Bob Premiere and PAD (no relation)
Organization: Interleaf
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 05:09:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep23.232934.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Thomas Elmo Edison) writes:
>	I think it's more than likely that Harlan Stone's name is an homage to
>Harlan Ellison.  I'll back off the "of course" line.  At the very least, I
>think the writers _must_ be aware that the character has the same name, even
>if HE isn't the direct inspiration.

Well, apparently you're not the only one to think so. According to Bill Warren
on GEnie, he saw the same theory advanced in either the Hollywood Reporter
or the LA Times. Particularly after the second episode, I'm still not sure  
where this is coming from as the character doesn't seem Ellison-like to
me at all. If you want to see Harlan Ellison as portrayed on the screen,
check out Richard Dreyfus' Oscar winning performance in The Goodbye Girl.
According to Harlan, Dreyfus told him that he modeled his performance on
Harlan, and while the character isn't an exact match in his actions, the
character is definitely Harlanesque in my opinion.

Btw, there's also a Harlan on Evening Shade...

"I'm a self-made man, thereby demonstrating once again the perils of unskilled
labor..." --Harlan Ellison
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
From: levin6706@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Valor's name destroys time/space continuum
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:09:40 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <69953@hydra.gatech.EDU>, vapspyo@prism.gatech.EDU (Jon Hughes) writes:
> Okay, let me get this straight.  Valor was Lar Gand
> before his heroic fight in the Eclipso crossovers, at
> which point he became Valor and got his own series.
> 
> But he was Valor in Starman #35, where he and Arizona's
> favorite son meet.  So this story must happen after
> Valor gets his name.
> 
> EXCEPT in the Eclipso crossovers Starman died. (And a
> rather poor and out-of-character death, IMHO.) So the
> DC continuity is torn assunder and the heroes can do
> nought to save it.  (But then again, they already
> used that storyline, didn't they?)

        Since Valor is basically Keith Giffen's baby, I would imagine DC
will say that whoever wrote the issue of STARMAN to which you refer, simply 
screwed up.  Too bad, a writer should not be penalized because the creating
writer has not yet setteled on their character's origin.  I'm sure the STARMAN
writer (Roger Stern was it?) was forced into using Valor for publicity purposes
anyway.  Right about now, I say "Who cares?"

        --shylock, who hopes that one day Garry Trudeau will take over the
               writing chores of LSH :)
From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: <None>
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:51:43 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Oct2.011704.8980@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
> Waaah!  I still don't have alt.comics.lnh!!!!!
>      Dave Van Domelen, tearful farewell

Netlurker just posted to the group.  What is your problem!?  
Can't you run off of ganymede?  (I have no idea how your
setup is over at ohio-state, but there is at least one machine
on your cammpus that has access to the new mostexellent newsgroup!)

You mean you have missed Drizzt and my battle over Aunt Comic-Relief!?
You MUST GET IT SOON!  FIND NETLURKER, CUZ I WILL BE POSTING THE 
"Sieze Dangerous" miniseries and dear old Acton Lord plays a major part 
of this!

						wReam...

P.S.  C U in the Comics...

*************Everyone MUST come see the ACTION in Alt.Comics.LNH!!!**********



I put this here just in case Dave doesn't get it in RAC... Its disappearing
you know!
From: kc2w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Kevin J. Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: galleries and sigils
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:31:25 GMT
	<1992Oct6.011147.1958@raven.alaska.edu>
Organization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>I seem to recall that we saw his helmet used once.  Am I making this
>up or can someone endorse this?  I guess I'll dig through my books
when I get the chance.

The impression that I got was that he *always* used his helmet as his
sigil.  We *have* seen it used *at least* once -- in A Doll's House,
Desire is standing in her gallery staring at Dream's helmet saying, "I'm
watching you, Big Brother" (a cute reversal of the phrase, IMO).

Kevin.
kc2w+@andrew.cmu.edu
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Wow! All-New Collectors Issue TWO! (was Re: $$ Comic Book Creators $$
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:24:06 GMT

carterk@cgsvax.claremont.edu wrote:
: > I sense an implosion once "investors" figure out they're stuck 
: > trying to unload 10 copies of X-Force #1 to dealers and other collectors
: > who are already well stocked with them.
: 
: You know, in thirty years or so, it's not going to be the 10 billion print run
: number ones that are going to be valuable... it'll be the number TWOS.
: 
: I can see it now... new series will begin at number two. You'll have special
: double sized number twos. Why... issue two may even have _different versions_!
: 
: Of course, that can only bode well for issue number three in the long run...

And if a series actually makes it to #5 with the original creators
still doing it, my investment will pay off!!!

(Ever notice how many new series now have the creators run off
as soon as it gets good? All the X titles had their people run off
to Image, etc... if a creative team actually stuck to something for
more than a few issues...)

Scott

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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: YEARGH!  The PLayboy returneth!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:15:59 GMT

I've been reading thru the same mag that has the Ren & Stimpy stuff, and what 
do I find?  Iron Man #289, Tony Stark returns!  AAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!
Couldn't he stay dead even 6 months????
     Dave Van Domelen, this post was probably generated by a buggy newsreader
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Grendel -- how many issues?
Date: 28 Sep 92 02:41:45 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1992Sep27.184425.1@gacvx1.gac.edu> alecb@gacvx1.gac.edu writes:
>	I was just wondering if someone could help me figure out how many
>issues of Grendel were originally published by Comico.  I know of the B&W 3
>issues, and have 1-40, but Overstreet lists issues 41-43.  I haven't been able
>to find them anywhere and was wondering if they were published or did they fall
>when Comico went bankrupt.  Any help would be appreciated.

I'm pretty sure they were never published.  Overstreet has never really
impressed me as a "Which comics am I missing?" guide.

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

AI is the attempt to make computers work the way they do in the movies.
From: Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay)
Subject: Re: CEREBUS 161: Sitting roaches
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:41:53 GMT


Y'know, it occurs to me that Suenteus Po may have been cheating somewhat...
Maybe Cerebus *intended* to push his black bishop far enough to defend against
the Scholar's Mate, but it startled him by turning into Bran before he had
finished moving it.  Of course, this could conceivably have been "Bran"'s
doing, or just have happened out of symbolic necessity, but I think that Po
arranged it, and did so deliberately.  I don't buy his "detatched" act any more
than I've bought any of his other ones; they're *all* illusions...

Alexx

Alexx@world.std.com
"Max, death has brought you close to Art as we know it today.  There's 
 a concept album in this.  You hang in there, and I'll be right over."
		-- Auden


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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Hellblazer #59
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 02:35:34 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith):
>"Royal Blood" could have been an interesting story if Ennis hadn't been 
>so keen to show us this strange group of the upper class. 

The degree of class hatred that shone through that story made it strange
reading for people who didn't grow up with it.  It also weakened the
story considerably for readers who are not entangled in that particular
brand of class consciousness.  

>It will be interesting to see how the next long arc of Swamp Thing ties
>in with all of this. According to the previews, the temporary closing of
>Hell allowed A. Arcane to come back to earth. 

Is it a long arc?  The advance review I read described ST#125 as a
self-contained story.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

"One of my favorite games when I was a kid was 'murder/suicide.'
 Dad would show us a photo and ask us, "Is it a murder or a suicide?"
	  --  Colleen Doran
From: DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Hellblazer & McKean
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:30:38 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Hi, I'm starting to look for Hellblazer back issues. If you get that
list from someone, could you email it to me? My address is
dcc117@psuvm.psu.edu. Thanks!
                                - Dave Cimbala, PSU
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 28 Sep 1992 11:10:19 CDT
From: <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Today's villians...what went wrong?
 <1992Sep28.130845.8555@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>

Okey Dokey.  I admit that Taskmaster is not a new new character, but he isn't
considered one of those classics since he's only been around for fifteen
years. (Do you consider She-Hulk a classic character?  They came out about the
same time as well.)  The reason why I developed Battlemaster was to take the
best abilities of Taskmaster and make him an actual match for guys with real
super powers. (Well, actually, I was going to upgrade him with some Iron Man
type armor which would be able to duplicate, if not the abilities, the moves
and appearance of his foes.)  Taskmaster is a great Marvel villain, and he
should be used a hell of a lot more.

DPW.
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From: cerebus@engin.umich.edu (Joe Gorde)
Subject: Re: Sandman covers and artwork
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 09:22:43 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: na

In article <1992Sep28.012624.1817@news2.cis.umn.edu> lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Sep27.223425.12727@ultb.isc.rit.edu> sta2534@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>>Other projects McKean has done are Arkham Asylum with Grant Morrison,
>>Violent Cases with Gaiman, and he is also drawing and scripting Cages 
>>for Tundra.  He also did one issue of Hellblazer.  You might want to 
>>look for them in the back issue bins next time you visit your comics
>>store.
>
>Hellblazer #27, also with Gaiman. Good luck finding it. It can be quite 
>scarce depending where you look for it. It took me a half a year to
>scrounge up a copy, but I was talking with someone who found 3 copies
>for 75 cents/each somewhere in Iowa. Just another reason to buy as
>many new comics as possible.

If I'm not mistaken, McKean also drew Hellblazer #40, which was Jamie
Delano's last issue as writer.  Dunno how scarce this issue is, but
my copy is for sale.

>
>Let me plug Cages again because I really like the series. It definitely
>isn't you're average comic book, but we have enough average comics as it
>is already. If you like McKean's art, you'll probably like his style of
>writing. You shouldn't have a problem finding back issues and Tundra has
>all issues for sale if you miss any.

Insert another plug for Cages here; this is a great book.  I just wish that
the wait between issues wasn't so long.

                                    *Joe Gorde*

***Warning:  Do not Reply directly to this posting; instead,
             please either post replies or send them to one
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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Subject: Re: What's up with !mage??
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 02:06:14 GMT

In article <mumble> bjm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Bobbie J. Mann) writes:

>>Now, brought to you from another post....
>
>>>In article <mumble> John Hamilton Slye <jsbr+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>> 
>>>>    Needless to say we lost a lot of respect for McFarlane and Malibu
>>>>comics. Most retailers give Malibu 6 months at the rate they ae going. I
>>>>hope it's less so I can see McFarlane and Liefield crawl back to Marvel
>>>>and have Marvel laugh at them!
>>> 
>>>Do you mean Malibu or Image?  There is a difference.  Malibu is
>>>primarily a distributor, though I understand that they are coming out
>>>with their own line of comics in a few months.

That response, BTW, was from me.  I made the mistake of confusing
distributor with publisher.

>>I mean both. One would undoubtedly not exist without the other. Malibu
>>has invested a lot of money in Image and if it folds, Malibu will suffer.

It will suffer if Image fails, but not as much as Image will.  8-)

>>I believe that the owner of Malibu has had previous distributers all of
>>which went bankrupt. (This may or may not be correct, I'm trying to
>>remember from awhile ago. If someone knows otherwise please correct me.)
>>But if this is the case, then the odds are against Malibu. If Malibu
>>were to fold, Image would follow....
>
>I'm a little confused by what you're trying to say here...Malibu is a publisher, not a distributor.  They publish books that are distributed by distributing
>companies (Diamond, Capital, others).  One of the owners of Malibu was once a
>distributor (before buying into Malibu), that's really the only connection I know of with distribution.  Malibu has been around since about 1986, longer than
>most small press companies.
>And, although I've been saying Malibu won't necessarily die if Image fails, I
>also believe it works the other way.  If Malibu were to fold, Image would
>just take their books elsewhere.  They are selling so many copies that "most"
>publishers would take them.

But would Malibu fold if Image is selling well enough that another
publisher would be willing to take them on?  I kind of doubt it!

-- 
Kansas Jim (Jim Ogle, TORG guru)                               /|
jogle@aoc.nrao.edu (NRAO-VLBA, Socorro New Mexico)           o| |-
"I'd be apathetic if I cared."                              /|\\|
From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: How is alt.comics.lnh coming?  
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:28:26 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

How is the Alt.Comics.LNH setup coming???  

Someone is still writing those official roster/title official 
things, right???

There are some people that are feeling deprived without access to
it...  So what's the deal?

						wReam...
					    Ultimate Ninja!!

P.S.  Those of you that have access make sure you get into the
action and undescribable fun!  Long live the Legion!


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