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From: bwolfe@trentu.ca (BEN WOLFE)
Subject: Re: reading list for dad-to-be
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Trent University Computer Services Department
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 03:54:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.011231.532@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, fod@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Frank O'Donnell) writes...
>Would anyone have any suggestions for "must" reading for
>a prospective first-time father-to-be whose partner has
>just learned she is pregnant?

Hello Frank, and congratulations to you both!

Almost anything by Sheila Kitzinger is worth your time, but my personal
favourite as pregnancy and childbirth preparation was _Your Baby, Your
Way_.

My wife and I also share a passion for Michel Odent's book _Birth Reborn_;
if you were only allowed to read one book during the next nine months,
that's the one I'd suggest.

For comic relief, there's always good old Dave Barry and his astutely
titled _Babies and Other Hazards of Sex_.

Have fun, and please post your thoughts and questions!

Ben Wolfe
From: sdreynol@isi.edu (Sam D Reynolds)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Stroller/Jogger FAQ file requested
Date: 10 Sep 92 23:34:52 GMT
Reply-To: sdreynol@maxwell.isi.edu (Sam D Reynolds)
Organization: USC-Information Sciences Institute

I have lost my copy of the Stroller/Jogger FAQ file and I need the
phone number for Jog r' Cycle.  I would very much appreciate it if a
kind soul would repost their copy.

Thank you,
Sam Reynolds
From: tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: FORCING DADS DOWN MOMS THROATS
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:14:57 GMT
Reply-To: tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner)
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA

In article <1992Sep10.215725.12894@u.washington.edu>, hamton@byron.u.washington.edu (MrEuStress) writes:
|> Bob Kirkpatrick wrote to me:
|>    ". . . get [your ex's] lawyer to execute 
|>     [Bob K.'s agreement-motion to terminate 
|>     your parental rights and duties] . . .
|>     and I'll show you a man who got a judge 
|>     to sign the order for termination.
|> 
|>  And the man's name and address would be my own, right?
|>  Bob, This is NOT reassuring.  Judges are just people
|>  who interpret the constitution like others interpret 
|>  the Bible -- ANY WAY THEY WANT.  You admit that you
|>  can't show me even =ONE= judge that has signed such 
|>  an order.  Why should my case be the first to break 
|>  long standing precedent?
|> 
|>  The only way my ex's lawyer is going to be motivated 
|>  to move is if I FORCE MY VISITATION ON HER.
|>  She knows that I've had no contact with the kids in 
|>  over 4 years.  She knows I won't see the kids.
|>  She doesn't want me to see the kids because I'm
|>  a heathen deadbeat.  The GOVERNMENT automatically 
|>  (without her consent) takes "my" money for her 

It seems like you stress the support is for "her", but in
parentheses put (and the kid`s) support.  It is child support
unless you're paying alimony, too???
 
 (and her kids)  Oh, and they're your kids, too.

Leigh Ann
tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov
From: dudding@sallyride.crd.ge.com (Kate Dudding)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Mid Life Crisis
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:55:28 GMT
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

As it happens, I turned 40 while on vacation at Disney World two years ago.
Perhaps this was the official start of my second (or third) childhood which
I'm sharing with my then 5 year old son ;-)  So I fall into the older parent
catagory too.

It did take me about 4 months before I could say "Forty" 
without stuttering on the F...

But I was pretty OK emotionally, maybe because I refuse to be called middle-aged.
Years ago, I decided to go from "sweet young thing" to "sophisticated".  I
plan to stay at "sophisticated" until "senion citizen" is applicable.
I too look a little younger than I am -- I think I can still pass for
30-something...  Luckily I haven't answered too many surveys and been in the
last age catagory, you know, N -  (death)...

I also took two Project Adventure courses, which are somewhat similar to
Outward Bound (purpose is to encourage self-confidence and team playing).
The big difference is that PA is challenge by choice (you decide on what
your challenge is) while OB insists that everyone do everything and will
physically push you to do things.  Both use games on the ground and
the high ropes course. (You wear a safety harness attached
to a rope that goes up to a pulley then down to the leader who holds it.  So
this is safe, not at all like bungee jumping.  No deaths in ~ 20 years of PA. Then
you climb 30-40' up trees with spikes in them, walk across a log or wire,
then jump off and the leader lowers you down as slow or as fast as you want).
I did  6 3-hour weekly sessions during the last two summers.  The first year,
I had to drag myself to every session and onto every tree.  But I was very
proud of what I did.  This year was better (i.e. I'd climb and jump quickly
without pausing and getting more scared than I was to start with).  Next year
I plan to enjoy doing the jumping, which you can do various ways, including
head first or as a trust fall.  I know this may sound crazy, but I was
never adventurous or atheletic as a child.  So these are all new
experiences for me.  And now when I have problems and
come up with a difficult solution, I think "Come on, Kate.  A woman who can
do PA can certainly do X."  Since PA, my family has started climbing mountains,
using established trails.  Not bad for a woman who's always been afraid of
stumbing over her own feet and falling down.  On steep slopes, I just
control my breathing and do it one step at a time.

Anyways, I've been meaning to talk about Project Adventure for a while, and
since it was part of my sophisticated-life crisis, I included it here.


PS In case I offended any bungee jumpers, sorry.
-- 
Kate Dudding                                   dudding@crd.ge.com
GE Corporate Research and Development
Bldg. KW, Room C315
PO Box 8, Schenectady, NY 12301                (518) 387-7164
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Caffeine during Pregnancy
Summary: commitment to a healthier lifestyle
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:40:01 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Sep11.154014.6644@devvax.mincom.oz.au> anita@devvax.mincom.oz.au (Anita Graham) writes:

>Re: giving up caffeine for pregnancy
>
>I think giving up caffeine (or alcohol, or even smoking) totally for the 
>period of pregnancy is going too far. Now I don't smoke, and rarely drink
>alcohol, but I rely on cups of tea to keep going, especially when I'm tired
>or sick. These times are more frequent during pregnancy.
>
>Sure, heavy smokers have little babies, and foetal alcohol syndrome exists
>- but these relate to HEAVY HEAVY smokers and total alcoholics don't they.
>Not someone who just has to have a smoke every now and then, or has a glass
>of wine once a week when they go out to dinner (*), or even has regular
>cups of tea or coffee.
[...]


Just my 2 cents:  before I became pregnant, I smoked cigarettes,
drank soda and coffee almost exclusively (water wasn't sweet enough)
and regularly went through 2-3 boxes of Milk Duds each work day.  In
retrospect, I think this is how I handled the stress of my job :-0.
When I got pregnant, I immediately stopped smoking, switched to just
one cup of decaf coffee per day, and substituted fresh fruit for my
candy.  I also drank more water and fruit juice in lieu of soda.
Perhaps some would think this is going too far.  For me, however,
pregnancy was exactly the motivation I needed to clean up my
lifestyle.  As long as I thought that I was only harming myself (I
only smoked outside, both at work and at home), I had little
motivation to stop.  As soon as I got pregnant, everything changed.
Since this was a planned, wanted pregnancy, I had no trouble cutting
everything harmful out (except for the occasional chocolate ice
cream--what's the sense of living if you can't eat chocolate :-0).
So, I viewed pregnancy as the catalyst for getting me to become more
healthy.

Since I nursed Dylan for 16 months, I had an additional motivation
to keep up my new, healthier lifestyle.  By the time he weaned
himself, I had become thoroughly ingrained in my new lifestyle, so 
there was no desire to return to my old, decadent ways.  Now, of 
course, I also see myself as a role model to him, which provides 
continuing incentive.  

Now, if one thinks I "sacrificed" for the sake of my child, I would
beg to differ.  He's the best thing that ever happened to me, and
because of him, I'm healthier now than I ever was.  

-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 21 months)	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
From: lcw@cci632.cci.com (Lori Wershing)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: croup - help!
Date: 10 Sep 92 11:59:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: cci632.1992Sep10.115956.17890
Organization: Computer Consoles Incorporated


Nicholas (5 months, 16+ pounder) was symptomatic of croup last night.  ARGH!

   Hx:  He occasionally suffers allergies (hayfever) - Dr. prescribed Benadryl...

      Monday:  slight runny nose, some sneezing, lite cough - treated at night
               according to our "allergy protocol" added cool mist humidifer
               up twice during night coughing, bottle feeding fine, solids a bit off
      Tuesday: some coughing, nose running (clear) gave 1/4t of triaminic
               made it through the night with little coughing, bottle feeding fine,
               solids still a bit off
      Wednesday:  coughing, runny nose, sneezing didn't do well on 1 bottle (4 total),
               ate solids fine, spit up a bit more than usual on last bottle (he
               rarely ever spits up at all), called Dr., on advice: elevated the
               head of the crib 30 degrees, opened windows, continued with the 
               humidifer

               2:45 am: It started.  We spent 5 minutes or so outdoors, then headed
                        off to the steam room (bathroom with shower going)
                        It seemed to eleviate the "barking" a bit...but the cough
                        sounds awful.  He wouldn't lay back down, so I held him for 
                        a loooong time and slipped him back in his crib. (4:15 am)
                        (Of course, then I couldn't sleep....)       

               6:30 am: Up and coughing.  No real "barking".  Gave him a dose of 
                        Tempra to try and eliviate the rawness of his throat and
                        any other secondary pains this might be causing.

       Through this all there has been no temperature, no major change in fluid intake
       and elimination.

Questions:  Do the symptoms usually occur several nights in a row?
            Does croup last the duration of the cold?
            Is it a culmination point?
            Anything we should do or try which we didn't?
            Will he grow out of this?
            Is croup a separate virus from the cold virus or a complication arising
                from the cold?


thanks so much!!  Hope I can be of help in return someday!

Lori.
Newsgroups: misc.kids,tor.general,ut.general
From: sian@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (S. Meikle)
Subject: Daycare for 19 MO
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Distribution: tor
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:39:12 GMT

I am unexpectedly looking for a daycare position for my nineteen month
old daughter, which I will need as soon as possible.  It would ideally be
close to the University of Toronto downtown campus.  Please could anyone
who has personal and happy experience with a daycare in the area send me
a quick note to recommend a place?

Thanks very much for any help,

Sian

-- 

sian@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca                                  Sian Meikle
Xref: sparky misc.kids:22686 soc.women:16246 soc.men:16056 alt.child-support:3073 alt.dads-rights:2211
From: gazit@duke.cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.women,soc.men,alt.child-support,alt.dads-rights
Subject: Re: Remote (Taxpayer) Wallets
Date: 7 Sep 92 13:16:37 GMT
Reply-To: gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel)
Followup-To: soc.men
Organization: The Piranha Club

In article <1992Sep7.021638.6982@newstand.syr.edu> 
kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:

>And what about those guys who say, "Not to worry, I'm sterile"?  

1) He is an asshole and I see no reason for the law to support him.
   (What if she said "Not to worry, I'm sterile"?  Is not it nice
   how y'all demand that she will get 25% of his income for the
   next 18 years?)

2) I'm pro-choice for women so they will have some way out in such cases.

>     If you are going to have sex, you have to accept the possibility
>     that you will have a kid.  

The anti-abortion people say that for everybody.  The pro-choice for
women anti-choice for men feminists tell that only to men.  In the
next sentence they usually claim the feminism is about "equality."

What a bunch hypocrites.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle)
Subject: Re: Thomas the Tank Engine and Childcraft
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:09:24 GMT

I talked with Childcraft yesterday and they said that the Thomas stuff
was backordered.  Oh well.  They are sending me the catalog--in two to
four weeks.  At least I'll see what they have!

Jennifer
Thanks for the info!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Mid Life Crisis
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 15:48:46 GMT

In article <lb44soINNbi7@news.bbn.com> ncramer@labs-n.bbn.com (Nichael Cramer) writes:
>judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
>>Help!  I think I'm having a mid life crisis.  I was very cavalier about 
>
>Boy, bet I'm doing a good job cheering you up, right?  Oh well, look at it
>this way Judy.  At least no can accuse you of being "prematurely gray" any
>more...  ;)
>

  Talk about prematurely grey!!!

  My 18-month old son has one white hair already.  However with 3 out of
  4 grandparents prematurely grey, it isn't surprising.  I guess he'll
  be grey before me.  I still get asked by hairdressers whether my
  hair color is natural (it is).
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.women,soc.men,alt.child-support,alt.dads-rights
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Sleeping concerns
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:55:57 GMT
Organization: Sylvan Associates

In article <9209101504.AA00650@panhed.psc.edu> grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant) writes:

   Whatever you do, do it for the right reasons.  If you don't mind
   sharing your bed for possibly the next 10 years, then don't stop her
   from coming into bed with you because everyone else says something
   negative.

Where do you get this 10 years stuff from?  We have a family bed, and
my 3 year old daughter sleeps willingly in her own bed. Even if she
wakes up from something in the middle of the night, we just sit with
her on her own bed and she's ok. From birth (she was born on our bed)
through age 1.5 she slept with us all the time, napped on our bed,
too. When we had to do the transition (for my medical reasons) we
started putting her down on her bed (in our bedroom) for naps. Then we
let her fall asleep (nursed to sleep) on our bed at night and would
move her to her bed. After a couple weeks, I nursed her to sleep on
her bed (much less comfortable for me, but it worked). Now we kiss her
goodnight, and she almost always falls asleep quickly and stays in her
bed, which is in our bedroom.

It's not so much where a child sleeps as how consistant you are. Just
because you let an INFANT sleep with you it doesn't mean you will or
need to have your 3 year old or 10 year old sleep with you if it
doesn't work for you at that point. Either way, you'll will need to be
available for your child during the night if they need you, so you
need to find the solution that works best for you.

-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89 &
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
From: kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Caffeine during Pregnancy
Keywords: how much?
Date: 11 Sep 92 01:50:44 GMT
Organization: Vermi-net, Houston, Tx. 77098

oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:

> In article <1992Sep8.172737.14557@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, hildin@cbnewsj.cb.att.
> >
> >What I was wondering was how much caffeine would/would not
> >be considered safe during pregnancy?  I've consulted
>
> My doctor told me *no* caffeine, *no* alchohol (of course), and
> to cut down on my sinus medication as much as possible - now I
> only take tavis D, one pill 3-4 times per week.
>
> - Peggy -

Ask your doctor about Sudafed. It was what my doctors reccomended both
times.

* * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * *
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: minx@access.digex.com (minx)
Subject: Re: Epidurals
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:50:04 GMT

I got scared about this too, so I checked the PDR.  I didn't find the
one mentioned, but I did find Carbocaine, and some others.  Under the
Carbocaine listing, was a general paragraph on labor and delivery
which I'll type in here (p2044 1992 PDR)

Labor and Delivery

Local anesthetics rapidly cross the placenta, and when used for
epidural, caudal, and pudendal block anesthesia, can cause
varying degrees of maternal, fetal, and neonatal toxicity.
The incidence and degree of toxicity depend upon the procedure
performed, the type and amount of drug used, and the technique of 
drug administration.  Adverse reactions in the parturient,
fetus, and neonate involve alterations of the central nervous
system, peripheral vascular tone, and cardiac function.

It goes on, but it's really nasty.  I'd recommend checking with
an anesthesiologist.

Under the Marcaine listing, that paragraph was listed, as was
the following:

The use of some local anesthetic drug products during labor
and delivery may be followed by diminished muscle strength
and tone for the first day or two of life. *This has not been
reported with bupivacaine*.

I'll keep looking for the bupivacaine one...

Minx
From: mark@whizbang.wariat.org (Mark W. Schumann)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: differences between boys and girls
Date: 13 Sep 92 02:45:57 GMT
Organization: The Software Sweatshop, Cleveland, Ohio USA


In article <1690@shaman.wv.tek.com> alanj@endeavor18.tek.com writes:
!In article <1992Aug31.180052.4758@bcrka451.bnr.ca> seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna  !  Watson) writes:
!>I am not so sure everyone agrees with that.  I have seen people shocked
!>to discover that my 2.5yo carrying a doll was a boy (the shocked person 
!>was a female airport security guard who looked to be ~20).  ...
!
!I was in Europe on business a few weeks ago.  I was looking for something to
!bring back for Laura (11 mo) for her first birthday.  I found a really neat
!wooden "choo choo" labled "Western Express" in a toy store in Oldenburg,
!Germany.  (There isn't any track, just an engine, and three cars.  The pieces
!are painted wood, about 6 inches long and 4 inches high.  It's a little
!advanced for Laura at the moment, but she will grow into it.)
!
!The store people were quite scandalized that I was buying this for a girl!

A few months ago I was taking a business call at home on a weekend.  I
was watching wee Adele at the same time, and about half an hour into
this Very Important Call the kid takes a shortcut to the floor, landing
on the back of her head.  I take a minute to comfort her, while
explaining to the caller that "My one-year-old is already learning C++;
she was in a hurry to get back to editing some source and fell down."

My caller, who happened to be female and a software entrepreneur, said
something to the effect of "Great!  We can use _him_ on the next
project!"  (emphasis mine)

I rather enjoyed what could be perceived as a subtle hint of sexism
in the response.

--
Mark W. Schumann/3111 Mapledale Avenue/Cleveland, Ohio 44109-2447 USA
Domain: mark@whizbang.wariat.org                      CIS: 73750,3527
"We're not nuts or anything; I mean *I'm* not nuts." <whizbang!judy>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: Folic Acid prevents spinabifida!
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:19:13 GMT
Summary: folic acid


I've always heard folic acid reduces the risk of serious birth
defects such as spinabifida.  I've also always heard that you should
take it daily before you even try to conceive and while trying to
conceive and during pregnancy.  Folic acid is easily obtainable at
any GNC-type vitamin or health store.

Christine
mom-2-b in Jan. '93
From: joanne@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Joanne Petersen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Pregnant and wedding rings too tight
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:17:04 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard PAITC Data Center

I have a special ring which is my "preggy" wedding band.... it's the only
ring that fit when I had my daughter (I only gained 12 pounds with her, but
it must have all gone to my hands :-).  It's a lovely channel-set band with
diamonds and very special to me, as I don't wear it often outside of being
pregnant!  (I may change that, now that I'm having my second and last baby.)

Don't resize your wedding/engagement rings now..... it's likely that you'll
be able to wear them after the baby's born, even if you don't lose all the
weight you've gained.  If you don't want to put them in the safety deposit
box (which is what I've done with mine), you could wear them on a chain 
around your neck.  Just make sure you get a strong, heavy chain with a good
safety clasp...... :-)

I'm very careful not to let my rings get too tight because a friend of mine
had to have hers CUT off because it was impeding her circulation.  Not what
I want to have happen to my special rings!!
From: lmn00@cd.amdahl.com (Linda Newell)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: HELP! I'm starting to WADDLE
Date: 10 Sep 92 23:10:17 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

I am 6 months (28 weeks) pregnant with my first child.
I have really looked pregnant for about the last five
weeks and have started to gain weight, and  have gained
back 6 of the 16 pounds I lost in the first 16 weeks.
Since I started out about 30 pounds overweight, my
doctor is not particularly worried about the low gain,
and I am trying to watch my diet and hold fat and sugar
consumption to a reasonable level.  My problem is that
I waddle.  My normally pigeon-toed stance has changed
to one where my toes point out, and I have a decidedly
side-to-side motion when I walk.  It wouldn't be that
bad except that I have a chronic knee problem and it 
seems to be made far worse by pregnancy.  The new 
way of walking also hurts it.  Does anybody know of
any excercises I can do to counteract the waddle and
toe-out?
Linda
From: lmn00@thundercd.amdahl.com (Linda Newell)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Caffeine during Pregnancy
Keywords: how much?
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:01:22 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

My doctor said that the equivalent of one cup of coffee a day
(2 cokes) would be OK.  I try to drink decaffeinated soft
drinks whenever possible and don't drink coffee.  I read
an article that said there has been a link between caffeine
consumed during pregnancy and diabetes (in the child).  The
article said that the link was not strong or conclusive, but
there is some evidence of a connection.  Sorry, I don't
remember where I read it.  Also, my doctor said that nutra-
sweet would not be a problem.
Linda
Newsgroups: misc.kids