From: ric@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ricardo.g.irvin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: a GIANTS fan rambles on. was Re: Wannstedt to Chicago
Summary: "...And watch the GIANTS play football."
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:18:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsj.1993Jan25.211836.29187
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <Jan.25.11.01.08.1993.25041@aramis.rutgers.edu> rinehart@aramis.rutgers.edu (Mark J. Rinehart) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.221142.2037@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> ric@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ricardo.g.irvin) writes:
>
>> As for Parcells, if the GIANTS had hired him back like most of the fan
>> in the area wanted (as of this post Parcells got hired by the Pats)
>> then the G's and their fans deserved the screwing they got from Parcells
>> the first time.
>
>Yeah, he screwed us up bad with those 2 SBs, @ NFC Championships, and
>a few Division Championships, some great seasons. 
I think Buddy Ryan said something to the effect "Bill is getting too much
of the credit for the GIANTS success..."

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>True, he left at an
>inopportune time, but unless you *know* for sure the reasons why he
>left, I dare say you have no basis to post the above. But I've got no
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Mark, This is what is what I ment by being screwed .. 
and after two years the GIANTS finaly got up off their knees and pulled up their draws 8{D.
Parcells cost thr GIANTS the chance to get a good coach by leaving late.
Because of that the GIANTS missed out on Belicheck(SP?) and had no time to
evaluate their draft pick or to formalize (Offensive and Defensive) schemes
for the upcomming season. He also screwed up Handely football career
permanently (think about this one).
I'm no expert here, but from what I've seen there was an ego clash between
Parcells and Young and Bill basically said " ok GIANTS drop your draws and 
get on your knees."

One thing I
admired Parcells for was his uncanny ability to evaluate his players
He also knew that he could'nt get another performance out of his "drivers"
that he got from in 1990. 
He also knew the young talent the GIANTS had would take awhile to develope. 
Parcells did not give young players many (if any) chances to play. 
the way other teams do (IMOH) i.e (OLD/young) Brunner/Simms, Wolfolk/Morris,
Carthon/Bunch and Mowatt/Bavaro.
As for the championship, some of the outstanding players and YOUNG (GM) had
something to do with it. don't give Parcells total credit.

>problem with Bill Parcells. He took a bad team and made a winner, went
>to and won 2 SBs, and provided us with alot of great times. The Giants
>will be back. It may take some time, but they will be back. Meanwhile, 
Mark , I'm not knocking what parcells did with the GIANTS all I saying
is he screw them BIG time.
As for the George Young Bashers, Bill did'nt want to draft Hampton or Megget.
It was also young that drafted Simms,Taylor,Carson and George Martin.
Parcell wanted Kanavis McGee and got him 8{D.

>> One other thing GIANTS "fans", throughout Parcells stay with the GIANTS,
>> he had 3 (possibly 4) Hall Of Fame players on the team. Can you name them ?
>I would say LT, Harry Carson, OJ and Phil Simms.
>Mark

As for Dan Reeves(SP?) the G's are lucky they got him.
All we need now is a young, bright defensive cord.

Another thing GIANTS fans think about the young talent the GIANTS
have now (on Off. and Def.) and you'll see they are not as bad as
we or the rest of the league/confrence fans might think.
With help from an experienced Head coach 8{D, and some plan-B
I see no reason why we cant be competive next season.

IMOH the following current GIANTS players will be Pats next season:
Simms
Lewis Tillman
Leonard Marshall
Romeo Cernell(SP?) def. line coach
any other guesses ??

			RIC. IRVIN
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