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From: "bill dehaan" <bill.dehaan@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: os/2's som
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:51:15 EST
Reply-To: "bill dehaan" <bill.dehaan@canrem.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

Stephen Dawson writes:

SD>The WPS has features that I would describe by these terms. Maybe
SD>OS/2's System Object Module has more features than you realize. :-)

We had an IBM  developer up from Boca  going over SOM with  us two weeks
ago. There's a truckload of functionality in there that didn't make  the
documentation.   Some   of   the   stuff   he  showed  us  was  amazing.
Unfortunately, it's undocumented, and not even Cary seems to  completely
understand it yet, so I think I will sit this out for a while.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: wkn@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ken Neighbors)
Subject: Can't get to system clock settings from clock.
Summary: No title bar => no settings
Keywords: system clock, settings
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 20:02:24 GMT

First, I opened settings from the (running) clock, and turned off the
title bar.  Now, when I select open settings, nothing happens.  I
finally tried opening settings from the clock in the System Setup folder,
and was able to get to the settings.

So, if there's a title bar, then I can open settings, but if not, I can't.
Is this a bug, or is it supposed to do this?

Thanks,
Ken
wkn@leland.stanford.edu
From: bigras@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Speed OS/2 vrs. Windoze. sx slugs
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:17:00 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <6515150d@p4.f302.n242.z2.fidonet.org>, Hauke_Hess@p4.f302.n242.z2.fidonet.org (Hauke Hess) writes:
>  > OS/2 is also showing poor performance on my 386SX 16 with 6 megs.
>  > Using the 386test burn-in testing program in vanilla DOS 5 and OS/2
>  > with a single, full-screen DOS window yielded the following:
> 
>  >             Calculations/sec (with turbo) | Calculations/sec (turbo off)
>  > DOS 5      |          9980                |            6595
>  > OS/2 2.0   |          1716                |            1469
> 
> Please leave us alone with your benchmarks. Always remember: there are lies, 
> bloody lies and benchmarks. Yours was one of the bloodiest benchmarks I've ever 
> seen.
> 
> Sorry, only serious. Your benchmark doesn't matter if you don't happen to
> calculate fractals all the time. The main question is: do you feel it while 
> using DOS in OS/2? Do you really think, all the participants of this newsgroup 
> are dump and even more slow than OS/2 or how do you explain why anyone uses DOS 
> in OS/2 if the performance loss would be that large?
> 
> Noone noticed until now, and if you think a little longer about your hardware
> configuration, you might notice that you used a 386SX, that means: a 16Bit CPU. 
> Yes, 16Bit, try to imagine what happens if you do a context switch on a 32Bit 
> architecture that is emulated by a 16Bit Bus. It really halves performance (if 
> not more). And if OS/2 works in the background on the fly on a real 32Bit Bus, 
> it crawls on 16Bit. Try the same on a 386DX and post the benchmark once more. 
> Perhaps you will be surprised (perhaps we will be surpries, but I don't believe 
> in this)
> 
> Hauke


I use a 386/40 with 8mb / trident SVGA at home, bought just
for 2.0  

At work I use a 16MHz sx with 5mb and I run the HPFS.  The 
speed to load something is ugly, but I just leave it running
all the time {several weeks MTTReboot} and that helps
a lot  as do the 720K multiple dos sessions I use for
Novell network administration { multi servers multi windows }
and the couple of connections to our VAX { through the net }
that come in handy for mail and the internet.

This system , slow though it is , is far more productive than
win3.1 was on the system, and I don't think that 
Windows_Next_Turkey will quite install on that system.

So if you can't stand the speed of your sx slug just spend
$300 and get a new 386/40 motherboard, it will transform
your system.

Tony Bigras

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: OS/2 Extended Services/Edition
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:47:15 GMT

In article <18990@fritz.filenet.com> darnold@fritz.filenet.com (Dave Arnold) writes:
>I recently purchased OS/2 2.0 from 1-800-IBM ($49).  I am interested in
>getting the Extended Edition/Services.  ACP as Extended Edition V1.2
>shrink wrapped on sale for $100.  1-800-IBM says that to upgrade from
>EE V1.2 to ES V2.0 is free.  :-)  This sounds like a good deal to be
>since ES V2.0 will cost me $409 mail order discount (probably a $995 
>retail).

This upgrade route is technically not now available according to the
IBM announcement letter (you must have purchased EE before ES was
released).  There is no way for IBM to catch you on this, but I
suggest playing by the rules.

>My question is this:  Does ES V2.0 contain the base OS/2 2.0?  In other
>words, did I need to order OS/2 2.0 ($49)?  I asked 1-800-IBM, and they
>didn't know.

As part of the upgrade you get base plus Extended Services.  The old
Extended Edition included the base operating system.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: cvadrtbc@vmsa.is.csupomona.edu (Srikanth Viswanathan)
Subject: Re: Question: Using bitmaps for Background/Lockup
Organization: California Polytechnic University, Pomona
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 06:20:00 GMT
X-Posted-From: vmsa.is.csupomona.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Jul25.145244.11404@jpradley.jpr.com>, grumpy@jpradley.UUCP (Jeff Markel) writes...
>The best way I've found to make bmps from gifs is to run vpic or cshow in a 
>windowed DOS VDM, mark and then copy the entire image to the clipboard,
>and then paste the image back into the icon editor.  File it as an OS/2
>bmp, and then save it in \OS2\BITMAPS.  Voila, a new background bmp!
> 

How do you PASTE into the Icon Editor?  I can't get it to paste, there is
no Paste option in the Icon Editor and whenever I try to copy it from 
the clipboard, it doesn't work!  Thanks!

Srikanth
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: jld@datascope.com (Jay L. Davis)
Subject: Re: The Future of OS/2
Organization: Datascope Corp.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:31:48 GMT

In article <LJ6DoB1w164w@netlink.cts.com> trekkie@netlink.cts.com (Bryce Newall) writes:
>I have been seriously considering buying OS/2 v2.0 for about 2 weeks now.  
>However, I heard from a friend up in San Francisco that Microsoft will no 
>longer be licensing the code required for OS/2 to run Windows programs.  In 
>effect, Microsoft is cutting their losses and trying to run IBM's operating 
>system into the ground.  I would like to know if there is any truth to this, 
>'cause if there is, then I don't think I'd bother with OS/2, in spite of how 
>wonderful it sounds.  Any comments?
>
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Yes and No. Yes, Microsoft is trying to run OS/2 into the ground. But no
they havn't stopped licensing windows code because they can't (legally).
I don't know all the details (does anyone?) but IBM already has Windows 3.0
support and will have 3.1 support soon. What about Windows 4.0? I don't
know, but by then I expect it won't matter, real OS/2 apps will be available
and you won't need Windows versions.


---Jay Davis
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: smackinl01@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Need help with ET4000
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 07:33:23 GMT

I have an ET4000 based board which does not work with any of the drivers so far loaded onto hobbes. Specifically, (a) : with PM 1.x drivers the screen looses sync and shears to the left.
(b) with the orchid? orcad? drivers the screen doesn't switch into graphics mode... simply stays in text mode and leaves blue "spaces" on the screen
(b) with the STB drivers the text cursor homes and then the system hangs.
Hopefully someone, somewhere has this problem and knows how to fix it. Till then, I guess i have to stick to the standard drivers which at least work.

Oh yeah, the board is a Ultra VGA?? Using debug, the bios seems to be a TSENG bios. Also, the PM drivers supplied with the disk fail to work as well.

Generally though iI am satisfied with the performance of OS2/2.0 on my machine which is an 8M 386 SX/25 with a 120Meg Maxtor 7120S scsi HD with a Future Domain 850 compatible board. I have installed HPFS and boy, I love those loooong filenames.

Simon.
'Smith & Wesson is the ultimate point and click user interface.' -- some wit on os2.apps.....

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: bbrown@infonode.ingr.com (Bailey Brown)
Subject: Re: Couldn't stick it out...
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:25:25 GMT

mg@elan (Michael Golan) writes:

>Well I keep OS/2. I can't imagine going back to DOS... or use Win3.1. I
>tried to compile in the background while I played Solitate in Windows. th
>compilation stopped as soon as I switched from it. When I returned it
>sometimes continued, sometimes got stack. I can't imagine anyone using 
>Win3.1 except for windows programs, one at a time....

Unlike OS/2 2.0, in Windows, the default is for DOS sessions not to run
in the background.  To change the default, go to the icon (or window menu)
for the dos session and click on "settings".  Check the "background"
box.  Now it will run in the background.  You can set this to be the
default behavior by using a .pif file.  I know, this is crude
compared to the OS/2 way of doing things, but I'm used to it and
know how it works. 

Though I agree the multitasking in windows is probably not as good as
it is in OS/2 2.0, I have done some amazing things with it, such
as run a 500 frame MPEG movie at 15 frames/sec in a 320x240 window while 
downloading at 2400 bps.  When I tried this while downloading at
10,200 bps, the frame rate dropped to about 10 frames/sec, but my
download continued without a hiccup.  I think the slowdown a was
due to my 386/33 being overwhelmed.  A 486/33 probably could have
kept the frame rate a 15.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.periphs.scsi
From: mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green)
Subject: Re: OS/2 and SCSI
Reply-To: mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:43:22 GMT

Well, I gave up and reinstalled.  IBM's support is less than useless for
problems like this; worse, they are a waste of time!

I now have:

Disk 1 (IDE)
1 Mb Boot Manager
C: FAT Primary
E: FAT

Disk 2 (SCSI)
1 Mb Boot Manager
D: FAT Primary
F: FAT
G: HPFS
H: HPFS (OS/2 Boot)

What is even more interesting, is that when I boot OS/2, all partitions are
accessible!  IBM is lying if they tell you that it won't work!  Now if only
OS/2 could have done a partial install to fix the COUNTRY.SYS enigma; better
yet, if only IBM knew what the heck this bug means and how to fix it!  Anyway,
no problems at all booting from a SCSI disk from Boot Manager on the first disk
which is IDE, after a reinstall.  However, my desktop is back to the default
:-(

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: fritz@ra.csc.ti.com (Fritz Whittington)
Subject: Minimized Window Viewer problems
Summary: Icons never show up in it
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:03:17 GMT

I have been using OS/2 for a few weeks now with no severe problems,
but have run onto a minor irritation that I can't seem to find the
answer for.  No matter how much I change the settings, I can't seem to
get a minimized Icon to show up in the Minimized Window Viewer.  I can
change the settings to make them be hidden when minimized, but if not
hidden, then they always show up at the bottom of my desktop when
minimized, with seemingly complete disregard for the setting that
clearly says that they should be put in the Minimized Window Viewer.

Is this a known bug that everyone sees, or is it a bug on certain
installations?  Little things like this, if not well-known bugs, leave
me with the uncomfortable feeling that I may have minor corruptions in
the system, and that there may be some more serious problems due to
this that just haven't surfaced yet.
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From: SCC@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu (Scott C. Crumpton)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Running only CMD.EXE and not the WPS?
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:40:59 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, NERDC

In article <1992Jul21.201750.376@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>
ejdeal@terri.austin.ibm.com writes:
>You can achieve this by changing a couple of lines in the
>CONFIG.SYS.  First, change RUNWORKPLACE=CMD.EXE.  This
>tells OS/2 to use the command interpreter for the interface
>rather than WPS.  You can, however, still run PM apps
>becase PMSHELL is still loaded.  To do this, start a
>program from the command line.
>
>If you do not wish to run any PM apps (run full-screen only),
>you can also change the PMSHELL line to CMD.EXE.
 
I have been wanting to "trim down" OS/2, both to save disk space
and because I dislike graphical interfaces.  So, my question is
where can I get a list of all the OS/2 files and what they are for,
so that I can reclaim the disk space.
 
---Scott.    scc@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu
 
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: pdc@lunch.wpd.sgi.com (Paul Close)
Subject: Re: Help, I've sorted and I can't get up!
Originator: pdc@lunch.wpd.sgi.com
Reply-To: pdc@sgi.com (Paul Close)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:38:00 GMT

David Charlap (dic5340@hertz.njit.edu) writes:
>DK6TOPER@MIAMIU.BITNET (Dan Karipides) writes:
>> 
>>Fine, I said.  I'll just go back to the default ordering of the icons.
>>The only questions is: How?  I even tried moving the by hand (OK, by mouse),
>>but clicking on "Arrange" flips them back to the last sorted order.
>
>You're stuck.  The "default" arrangement is not a "default", but
>simply positions.  Just drag the icons to where you want them and then
>never, never click on "arrange" or "sort" ever again.
>
>I wish these options had confirmation...  I also wish I could get them
>off of the menu... *Sigh*

You can always add something innocuous (like OS/2 shell) as the last item.
That makes it harder to hit accidentally.  I used to get bit by this fairly
often, but since I added a shell entry to the end, it hasn't happened (then
again, maybe I'm more careful due to the extreme penalty :-)

Besides that, I called IBM about this a while ago, and at the time they said
that the CSD will contain a "save/restore desktop" option.  That way, once
you get the configuration you like, you save it, and if it gets messed up
later, you restore it.

I hope they stick to their plans on that one!
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From: murrayk@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (the Dodger)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Black Icon fix doesn't work here...
Date: 31 Jul 92 07:53:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: CS.1992Jul31.075341.10466
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.

Well, I just got a new Trident video card (8900c w/1meg), and I have run
into a couple of problems. First of all, I am now experiencing the 'Black
Icon' disease for some reason. And I had already applied the patches...Hmmmm.
Does anyone know what the problem could be here? I checked the file sizes
to be sure that I have the new files and I sure do...Aaaargh.

The other problem has to do with the virtual desktop drivers. This sounds like
a neat idea and I wanted to try it out. So I got the drivers, read the readme
file and edited the svgadata.pmi file as instructed, then rebooted. Things
seemed to be going fine as my desktop opened up off the bottom of the screen,
not unexpectedly. But I started to sweat when I realized that my pointer was
no longer in the same dimension as my desktop. Boy, it sure was fun trying to
get a screen open so I could reload the standard 800x600 256c driver. Sheesh.
Am I missing something here too?

Thanks for the help.

Keith

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Going from Win 3.1 to OS/2, worth it???
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:53:52 GMT

adamsm@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
>I am currently a Windows 3.1 user and find myself drawn to the "completeness"
>of OS/2.

Do it!  Do it!  I've got them both on my system, because I have the
drive space, but Windows sits dead unless I need to see how something
actually works in "real" windows.


>I plan to "upgrade" to OS/2 later this month but am a bit leery about
>its DOS compatibility as I was hundreds of megs of DOS files but little or no
>OS/2 native applications, just how good is the DOS emulation, could I get away
>using my DOS programs reliably until I can afford new applications?

Yes, I still use mostly DOS applications.  Lots of software goes
across my desk, and 99% of it works great.  The ones that tend not to
work are games like Ultima VII that require their own proprietary
memory manager, or programs that use VCPI (OS/2 can't allow VCPI, too
dangerous). 


>I currently have a 386/40 with 4m ram and a 130m drive.  I'm hoping this will
>prove to be an acceptable starting base as I don't forsee using any major power
>applications in the beginning.  Am I kidding myself about these stats, or will
>this system not cut it in the OS/2 world?

Oh no... it isn't enough, it really isn't.  Your machine and drive are
fine, but 4m of RAM makes OS/2 crawl.  You really want 8m of RAM.
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From: zorrilla@cattell.psych.upenn.edu (Eric Zorrilla)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: [Shredder VANISHED?!?!]
Date: 26 Jul 92 04:56:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <19359@plains.NoDak.edu> person@plains.NoDak.edu (Brett G Person ) writes:

>I had this happen a couple of days ago.  I found my shredder in my
>productivity folder.  I'm pretty sure I didn't drag it there, but
>that is where it ended up.  

My problem is now resolved and I thought I'd publicly inform any who missed
on the thread that must have gone on here earlier.  A kind poster (whose
name I've misplaced) informed me that he had a similar problem with his
System Clock objects and used the wpstools.zoo utilities found on hobbes
to resolve his problem.  I did the same thing with shredder.  Briefly, the
wpstools allow you to create, destroy, modify (and one other function)
objects in the WPS.  Very useful, though be sure to read the dox first.



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From: kevinc@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca (Kevin Crocker)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: How to kill runaway app...
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:11:57 GMT

dg4k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Daniel Brian Greenfield) writes:

>>From: dave@stat.tamu.edu (Dave Perry)
>>old version I had of pmfractint will not kill itself, when you try
>>and exit and killem won't do it either!  So it loads itself up
>>happily every time I reboot.  I can't delete the file, because its

>Boot with the install disk and switch to disk 1 when instructed to.  Hit
>-Dan

Another solution, edit your config.sys and get rid of the following:

SET AUTOSTART=PROGRAMS,TASKLIST,FOLDERS
              ^^^^^^^^^
so that it looks like the following:

SET AUTOSTART=TASKLIST,FOLDERS

I've found this to be my best solution as I don't really want the OS to
automatically start up everything that was running when it crashed - I
just want it to start up, I can do the rest. BEsides, it's a bit of a
security hole if it starts up with everything going that was going when
it crashed. Another thing, in my usua situation, the most recent thing
I've worked on is what crashed the system in the first place.

Kevin
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Date: Thursday, 23 Jul 1992 00:28:10 EDT
From: Jerry Bryan <BRYAN@wvnvm.wvnet.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: How to backup OS/2 efficiently?
 <Jul20.110821.34437@aixssc.ibm.co.uk>

In article <Jul20.110821.34437@aixssc.ibm.co.uk>, stirling@hursley.ibm.com says:
>
>I don't know what everybody else in IBM uses but my choices are as follows, in
>order of preference
>
>1.  Workstation Data Save Facilty to VM host using TCP/IP or PVM

This is a totally wonderful program.  Every evening, I have my PC
wake up (using the ALARM applet)
and do a Datasave incremental backup over ethernet via TCP/IP.
There are only two little glitches.  It won't backup files that
are open  (oops, the INI files are open), and it won't backup
empty directories (oops, the desktop is stored (mostly) as EA's
in empty directories).  I generally shut down as much of my PC
as I can before I go home so Datasave can succeed without
dealing with open files.