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From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Subject: Re: Back from the UK 
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:18:48 GMT

gt@rundart.demon.co.uk (Giles Todd) writes:
: 
: No.  "How do you do?", "How do you do?" is an introduction protocol
: understood by nearly everyone in the UK.  It is otherwise devoid of
: meaning.
: 
Understood, perhaps. But can you honestly say you ever use it? Or even
hear it more than once in a blue moon. I suspect its gone the way of
another great British identifier, the man with  the rolled up umbrella and
the bowler. We know they are quintissentially English (Did Glaswegian
businessmen, or Belfast bankers ever wear them?) but when did anyone ever
see	one. My six-year old son, brought up entirley outside Britain
spent every bus trip through the City of London last summer looking for a
real man-in-a-bowler. He had to be consoled with one of the plastic ones!

Richard Pennell History NUS
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: The Poll Tax
Reply-To: Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:18:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.092158.16400@osf.org>, david@postman.gr.osf.org (David
George) writes:

|>In article <1993Jan20.154915.24919@infodev.cam.ac.uk>,
|>gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry) writes:
|>|> Someone in a previous posting suggested a local sales tax.  I can't
|>|> see how this could be made to work in Britain, particularly in urban
|>|> areas, since people in high-taxed districts would just nip over the
|>|> local authority boundary to do their shopping in a cheaper district.
|>
|>|> (You thought the European single market was bad enough!)
|>
|>Yes it's pretty bad that you can't go to Belgium, order a car, and bring
|>it straight back to the U.K.  Single market, only in name and not in
|>practice.
|>
|>|> Also it's unworkable with mail-order goods.
|>
|>Okay, a flat rate local sales tax, say 17 % (as VAT is a present).  Local
|>authorities would then have to cut their cloth according to the amount of
|>money they take in.  I believe the German Laender receive their revenues
|>from MWSt. (VAT) so why not the U.K. ?  I would abolish VAT and the rate
|>support grant at the same time.  I also believe the UK should be organised
|>into regions with much more power over local affairs, like education, the
|>police etc.  The Govt. should concern itself solely with defence, economic
|>(hah!) and foreign policy.  With town councils (normally rife with
|>corruption)
|>restricted to emptying dustbins.  Town councils could receive their revenue
|>from the region rather then levying a rate directly.

Won't work, under EC law VAT is mandatory. In fact there is a convergence on a
uniform rate.

However there is a good case for devolving all the power that Thatcher
centralized back closer to the councils. Having seenm what Tory education
policies do to an area I am not at all keen on giving Wandsworth PLC a free hand
to sell the children off to the highest bidder to work don the mines.


|>What ?  I hear, but how would local authorities raise more money for crazy
|>spending ideas ?  Well think of yourself as a local authority, if you want
|>a new car you can't just go round to your employers safe and take an extra
|>20% salary, you have to economise elsewhere.   If the idea were not so crazy,
|>like building a sport centre, they could borrow to finance it rather than
|>jack up the rates.

This is how they do raise money for things like that. Only sports centers etc
tend to be expensive. I know of a council where the Labour group were after
privatizing the sports center to be rid of the running costs!

|>I am definitely against local income tax, which I believe will leave a load
|>of rich tossers living in big houses not paying a bean, or at least their
|>fair share because their crafty accountants have salted all their cash away
|>somewhere.

Perhaps if the govt put half the effort in to catching Tax dodgers as it does
social security scroungers?


--

Phill Hallam-Baker
From: idf@cs.bham.ac.uk (Ian Fitchet)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Dianagate [was Re: Different Newspapers ...]
Date: 22 Jan 93 02:16:48 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, University of Birmingham


 On 20 Jan 93, Sue Miller wrote
> Unfortunately for me, I bear a slight resemblance to Mrs. Wales (big nose, 
> bluish eyes, blonde hair) and several of my coworkers have taken to calling 
> me this name...

 What, `big nose'?

 Cue, MP Life of Brian sketch...

--
Cheers,

	Ian

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Ian Fitchet     				      I.D.Fitchet@cs.bham.ac.uk
School of Computer Science
Univ. of Birmingham, UK, B15 2TT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jackson@soldev.tti.com (Dick Jackson)
Subject: Re: Charles's DNA tested to prove not illigitimate
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:13:33 GMT

Mr R J Tinsley writes: The fact remains that
he (Rich III) was able to usurp the crown because noone was strong enough
to stand up to him - not because the nobility were convinced by his
arguments.

I type: My history PhD friend says to interpret politics in the time
of RIII as being like Chicago gang bosses of the 30's, viz. whoever
could get the biggest gang became king (and made up reasons purely
expediently).

Apparently the kings and would-be kings did lead their
gangs/armies into battle and take the chance of being slit up. Question:
who was the first English monarch not to lead the English army in person?

Dick
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: Succession Order
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:58:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.002233.27203@nuscc.nus.sg> hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell) writes:
>esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse) writes:
>: 
>: It is:
>: 
>: Queen Elizabeth II
>: Prince Charles
>: Prince William
>: Prince Henry
>: Prince Andrew
>: Princess Beatrice
>
>		etc etc
>Myabe we should adopt the system in pre-colonial Morocco, where the
>leaders of differnt parts of Morocco chose the member of the Alawi family
>who thye wanted. If there was too much disagreement, the least popular
>candidates lost the civil war. Since we are now more civilised than
>pre-colonial Moroccans (hah!) to avoid mass killings the civil war could
>be held among the claimants and the "leaders" who chose them in say Wembly
>Stadium. This would get rid of a few excess leaders and a few excess
>Royals. Also a succession struggle mediated by press sports/war
>correspondents would have to be more interesting than one presided over by
>constitutional pundits.

And it would make darned good TV.  Forget the Gladiators, bring
in Chuck & Di!!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Whoops!
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:54:44 GMT


	Chris Ambidge told me that I erred in making Toronto the
	capital of Canada and in the nature of British representation
	in Canada.  Apologies to any Canadians I may have affronted or
	confused.  I shall go and learn Pushtu to demonstrate my
	contrition.  Anybody know any Pushtu tutors in this area?

	Alec
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: R.J.Woolley@lut.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Daily Sport
Reply-To: R.J.Woolley@lut.ac.uk (Robert Woolley)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 12:07:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.113121.11403@vax.oxford.ac.uk> wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>In article <llot1tINNco@news.bbn.com>, rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman) writes:
>> This American is amazed that a country that sets such high
>> standards in TV and radio broadcasting can stoop to such
>> lows when it comes to daily newspapers.
>
>Don't worry: the sport is hardly a prime example of British national
>journalism. The highest standards (in the Guardian and to a certain extent the
>Independent) are much higher than the highest in the states and even the lowest
>of the mainstream papers (the Sun and Star) are not that much worse than USA
>Today. (At least what I can remember of USA Today)
B
In the US, most newspapers (with the notable excpetion of The New York Times,
The Wall Street Journal and USA Today) are local. For example, Chicago has 2
main local daily newspapers.

Consequently, becuase each area will have only a couple of papers, they have to 
cover a wider ranger of readers than the national British newspapers, with the
result that very few us locals are as "heavy" as The Independent or as 
down-market as The Sun.

This is why British  newspapers seem so extreme to Americans - they're national.


Rob.
<R.J.Woolley@uk.ac.lut>
as The Sun.
From: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Charles's DNA tested to prove not illigitimate
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:52:29 GMT
Reply-To: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Organization: Chemical & Process Engineering Dept, University of Newcastle, UK.


  Prince Charles entire claim to his future job (King of UK plc) 
rests on the assumption that he is the legitimate child of the 
Queen. 

   we can assume his mother really is Elizabeth, but we have no
proof that Phillip is his biological father.  Well the technology
now exists (DNA testing) to provide this proof SO SHOULDN'T IT
BE USED.

   After all if a person only needs a single qualification for
an influential job shouldn't efforts be made to ensure that 
they really do meet that qualification :-)

    Or could it be that DNA testing which (I have read) is considered
good enough to be used on immigrants to prove they really are the
children of British Critizens,  is not really that accurate???????


                                         W.P.Coyne@newcastle.ac.uk 
................ ................................+.......................
Department of Process and Chemical Engineering,  +
Newcastle University, United Kingdom.            + "You can lead a horse to
                                                 +  to water, but a pencil
ARPA : W.P.Coyne@newcastle.ac.uk                 +  must be lead."
UUCP : ...!ukc!newcastle.ac.uk!W.P.Coyne         +             Stan Laurel
JANET: W.P.Coyne@uk.ac.newcastle                 +  
................ ................................+.......................
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.usage.english
From: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks)
Subject: Re: Back from the UK
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:13:13 GMT

rdavis@convex.com (Ray Davis) writes:
| a) *My* parents taught me not to pee on my hands.

Furthermore, if your pee does contain bacteria, you've got problems that
won't be solved by access to a washbasin.

| b) Doesn't anyone consider it important to wash their hands before using
| the toilet?

Engineers?  Bakers?  Kindergarten teachers (think finger paints)?
Sorry, make that infants teachers.
-- 
David Brooks					dbrooks@osf.org
Open Software Foundation			uunet!osf.org!dbrooks
Shine out, fair sun, with all your heat!  Black winter freezes to his seat...
The boneless fish close quaking lies...the stars in icicles arise!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,uk.politics
From: cmh004@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Dave)
Subject: Re: Tony Benn to abolish monarchy
Organization: Lanchester Polytechnic
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:48:15 GMT

In article <C194F8.18C@newcastle.ac.uk> w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk writes:
>  Tony Benn is to submit a private members bill to parliament
>called something like "The Commonwealth of Great Britain Bill"

This bill has next to no chance of going though Parliament. So it is bad news
for all those potential Presidents of the UK, or Lord Protectors people.

>   disestablishment of the church of england,

Unfortunatley with a Tory goverment this issue is more likely to end up as
the privatisation of the Church of England (Even though it is the CofE which
owns the CofE). I could see it now sell the shares at a knock down price
and see the board of directors asset strip the Church.

>   Northern Ireland leaving the UK,

Try telling the Unionists that one.

>   replacing the monarch with a president.

President Thatcher, Major - Please God save us.

>   Does anyone know anything about his proposed new house of parliament
>Is it to be a duplicate of the Commons?
>Is it meant to be elected by the same system (ie one member per local
>    constituency, elected by first past the post)

If it was elected by the same method and with the same constituencies then
we might as well not bother with a new house as it would be HofC mark2.
Then again Lord Antony Wegdewood Benn has not been the worlds biggest 
surportter of PR - I think he is againist it.

Even though I am in favour of abolishen of the HofL and disestablishment
of the CofE. I feel these should come after the HofC has adopted PR as the
method of electing its members. The reason is because under the current
system a goverment with only a minority of surport can tell the rest of us
what to do. Even though the HofL is mainly Tory. It still sometimes the
goverment where it can get lost. If the HofL was elected then you are going
to get a second chamber full of 'yes men'.
Personally I am in favour of the monarchy. I see no reason why Charles
cann't become King and Supreme Govenor of the Church of England.
This recent talk about Dianna and those tapes have just been made a mountain
of a mole hill. - Are you that perfect?
-- 
Dave                                                       cmh004@cck.cov.ac.uk
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I am a one in ten, Even though I don't exist, Nobody knows me, But I'm always
there, A statistical reminder to a world that doesn't care.             (UB40).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: American humo(u)r
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 11:39:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.210418.22219@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> kelley@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com (Sean Kelley) writes:
>Dave Jones (dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com) wrote:
>: [ stuff deleted]
>
>: To get back to the original question 11913 W 100 Terrace is a little extreme
>: even by US standards.  I hesitate to say that 100 Terrace is 100 blocks out
>: of the city in a N or S direction - it could as easily be the first street -
>: but 11913 is definitely a *long* way west of the city centre.  Quivera would
>: just be a N-S avenue.
>
>Precisely.  American cities have large clusters of adjacent
>suburban cities.  For ex. Johnson County, KS contains several small cities
>such as Lenexa, Shawnee, Prairie Village, Olathe, and Overland Park.
>Parts of these towns are still very rural.  My parents live adjacent
>to several farms and they live at W 125th terrace.  The street numbers
>were extended from Main St in Kansas City, MO into the Johnson County side
>in KS.  It makes finding your way around very easy.  Although, the
>house numbers and street numbers get large and you are a great distance
>from downtown Kansas City!

	This is one of those things that is city-dependent.  They have
	the same sort of system in Iowa where all streets in the county
	(Polk) appeared to be numbered from a central point somewhere in
	the middle of Des Moines.  This led to my business address being
	7300 NW62nd Ave, Johnston IA.  Johnston had a population of
	barely 10,000.  In Columbus, in part because of a number of
	unincorporated townships embedded in the city (a bit like a plum
	duff) the consistency is entirely voluntary.  The major streets
	retain names across boundaries but not necessarily the minor ones.

	Alec
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:19390 soc.culture.celtic:8919
From: kakleman@acpub.duke.edu (Kubilay Akleman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Robert Burns Dinners
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:49:05 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.british
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

Re: "Attempt to justify Gaelic TV programmes by increasing Gaelic Speaking 
TV-Licence holders from the present 3" - That's a horrible (albeit humourous)
comment! I think it's great that they have increased the amount of Gaelic 
programmes on BBC Scotland, STV & Grampian. Television will help keep the language alive! Don't tell me there aren't enough English programmes on TV in 
Scotland! 
In fact we need a Scottish version of S4C, (maybe a S4A?), for Gaelic Language programmes. But even (independent) Ireland can't come up with a Teilefis na 
Gaeltachta...

Andrew
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: ae498@yfn.ysu.edu (Dawn Bott)
Subject: Cornation St. tutor needed....
Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:14:55 GMT


Welp, it happened...


two weeks in the UK and I managed to get hooked on Cornation
Street (and Neigbhors...but Cornation Street more so....)..

what to do?  here in the US of Aye, we are at least two
years behind....

Are there any CS addicts that might:

a) direct me to an appropriate newsgroup so i can leave all you
soc.culture.british types alone  ;)
 
or

b) might kindly start up a email correspondence where you give me
weekly updates and in return.....well.....

what can i offer in return?  you already have "Law and Order" over
there!  ;)

well, i have a few doubles in my Star Wars Cards collection, plus
a well-used Bay City Roller Album collection...

any takers??



cheers!


Dawn


!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!* secret p.s. to tim:
our freenet system has just gotten back on-line...a reply is coming!
(yes..i *did* get it and it was much appreciated!!)
                         *!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!*!**!*!*!*!




p.s.s.!!

yep....just realized i misspelled C-O-R-O-N-A-T-I-O-N ...

*ouch*  how embarrassing... ={


-- 
 ...Some day you will travel all the way from Vermont just
    to get your eyes chewed off by a dog....
 
      -- Deep Thoughts with Gleeep on A.R.
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Postperson Pat. Was Re: Britain and HK
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:53:59 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

David McSavaney writes:
>
>This caused me to pause and wonder - are UK kiddies still watching
>"Postman Pat"? Surely it is time to be a little more sensitive and
>call it "Postperson Pat"? Hmmm - would Saturday Night Live possibly
>be interested in the concept...
>
>Dave McSavaney
>                
>

Now *here's* an interesting subject.  My daughter and nephews all
love Postman Pat.  The name can't be changed, nothing else will
scan.  "Postal Carrier Pat and his black & white cat.."  nah.
'Postperson' is an abomination, of course.

There is a rather cute coin-operated Postman Pat mail van complete
with Pat and cat in at least one of the stops along M6 (can't remember
which one).  It plays the tune, the horn pips, and the cat meows as
it bumps along.  "Pleeeeeeease Mom?  Can I ride it huh pleeeaase?"
Before you all run out to try it, you won't fit unless you're under 4' 
tall.  20p per thrilling ride.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: Squidgy? Was: Re: Dianagate [was Re: Different Newspapers ...]
Reply-To: Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:08:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.210402.29505@netcom.com>, sue@netcom.com (Sue "Squidgy"
Miller) writes:

|>In article <C19nAp.Kpy@dscomsa.desy.de> Hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:
|>>In article <1993Jan22.072138.2697@netcom.com>, sue@netcom.com (Sue "Squidgy"
|>>Miller) writes:
|>>
|>>|>In article <IDF.93Jan22021648@fat-controller.cs.bham.ac.uk>
|>idf@cs.bham.ac.uk
|>>|>(Ian Fitchet) writes:
|>>|>>
|>>|>> On 20 Jan 93, Sue Miller wrote
|>>|>>> Unfortunately for me, I bear a slight resemblance to Mrs. Wales (big
|>nose,
|>>|>|>>> bluish eyes, blonde hair) and several of my coworkers have taken to
|>>|>calling 
|>>|>>> me this name...
|>>|>>
|>>|>> What, `big nose'?
|>>|>
|>>|>Didn't you hear me?  Oh, you think that's what they
|>>|>call me.  I wish.  No, I'm "Squidgy".  Sigh.
|>>
|>>Ahh... but how do you do in the toe sucking department?
|>>
|>
|>Not applicable.  You should ask me about whether my eating disorder
|>is under control.  My sister is a redhead, we could ask HER about
|>toe sucking, but I doubt she'd be very amused.

Not Applicable! No tootsies! Well I never, is it you or your husband who is
difficient in the sum of two re the foot department? What calamity brought this
about? Inquiring minds must know!

I won't mention your eating disorder because I wouldn't want to air such
delicate matters in public.

--

Phill Hallam-Baker
From: cah@cs.bham.ac.uk (Ceri Hopkins)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Live in the UK for 2 years? (Re: CYMRAEG)
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:50:11 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, University of Birmingham, UK

>>>>> On 25 Jan 93 03:35:36 GMT, yan-dicky@cs.yale.edu (Dicky Yan) said:

Dicky> Rosemary, I presume you can go to Wales to live for a while if
Dicky> you have got such a visa!!

But don't expect to find work :-(

Ceri
--
Ceri Hopkins                                    
School of Computer Science                        C.A.Hopkins@Cs.Bham.Ac.Uk
University of Birmingham			  Tel. +44-21-414-3743
From: g_son@mv3800.engr.scarolina.edu
Subject: Sri lanka Regrets Allied Attacks Against Irag
Reply-To: g_son@mv3800.engr.scarolina.edu
Organization: University Of South Carolina, Columbia, SC
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 05:16:44 GMT

COlombo:  Is is really FUNNY to read that Sri Lanka said it deeply regretted  
civilian casualities recent allied air attack on Iraq.
            What Sri lanka is doing against their minorities in Northern and
Eastern part of Island?.

Sony B. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.sri-lanka
From: 3469AC@gmuvax.gmu.edu
Subject: Bintenna College Old Students' association and Tissah-Amy Fischer
Date: 28 Jan 93 23:01:00 EST
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My wife graduated from Metigastenna College in 1987.  
Since graduation, she has lost contact with many of her school friends.  
She wanted reunite with some of her friends and 
desires to have a reunion with as many of her boy
friends as possible from 
Metigastenna College and Bintenna area in the U.S.A.
If interested or if you would like to be reunited... let me know.  

There is an organization (based in Washington DC) called Meti-DCOGANA.
Metigastenna College DC Old Girls' Association of North America.
Their roster is over a 100 deep with memebrs all over the USA and Canada.
Some of them are well established.

For a telephone number you can call at  555-1212.
They will definitely help you to find the telephone numbers.

-Tissah-Amy Fischer



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From: an7658@anon.penet.fi
Subject: No Subject
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.sri-lanka
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:44:00 GMT

Psst....
	Just Heard this from a very reliable source.
Sources in Jaffna say that the LTTE is hoping mad because of Kittu's
incident.Seems that the Indians were tipped off by one of their own,
Mahattya.
		
		Lil bird

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