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From: au109@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Craig Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Unleaded stoves ??
Date: 13 Sep 1992 10:56:25 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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My vacations are frequently bike touring trips requiring air
transportation to and from my home to the biking areas.  I
currently have an old Svea white gas stove that I use on these
tours.  Since I'm unable to carry fuel on the plane, I need to
buy fuel after arriving at the starting point.  It seems that
no one sells bulk white gas anymore--you need to buy a gallon of
Coleman fuel.  This seems wasteful as I can only carry 1-2 pints
with me and would waste the rest.  During the past couple of tours,
I've tried to buy my fuel from someone else in my first campground,
but find that the campers I meet now are all using LP or propane
bottles.

I plan a tour of the Dempster Highway (Dawson City YK to Inuvik NWT,
Canada) next year and have thought of buying a new unleaded fuel stove.
The Peak 1 seems a bit heavy, but otherwise very desirable.  Does 
anyone have suggestions for me as to the the good and bad features
of this and other unleaded fuel stoves?

What about the multi-fuel stoves?  I originally thought they would
be ideal, but no of the product information that I've seen states
that unleaded auto gas can be used, just white gas, kerosene, etc.

I await your replies...

Thanks.

	=Craig Williams    usr1436a@tso.uc.edu
From: ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: NOTICE:"Bigfoot/Sasquatch" Sightings Request
Date: 14 Sep 1992 02:55:38 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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From: johnson@nsslsun.nssl.uoknor.edu (J. T. Johnson)
Subject: Backpacking in Europe
Originator: usenet@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:36:09 GMT
Distribution: World
Organization: National Severe Storms Laboratory


I am new to this group and relatively new to backpacking/hiking.  I have taken a couple of
trips in the last 2 years to Chicago Basin in SW Colorado and to Cascade Canyon/Paintbrush
Canyon area in Wyoming.  My wife and I are thinking of venturing much further this next summer.
We would like to take a couple of weeks and go to Europe and do some packing.  Has anyone 
out there taken such a trip?  If so, can anyone suggest some trips or areas to consider.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.


JT 


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From: cal@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Tony Lelm)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:03:49 GMT
Subject: Re: Water treatment article from Am J Pub Health (1989)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry

In rec.backcountry, jfjones@isrc.sandia.gov (James F. Jones) writes:

> akin@sgi.com (Allen Akin) writes:
> : In article <la7rh0INNgur@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill) writes:
> : |                           ...The MSR is a piece of trash, according to
> : | reports from the field.
> : 
> : I replaced an ancient First Need with an MSR this season, and have no
> : complaints.  Could you elaborate?
> : 
> : Allen
> 
> I would like more information on the MSR too.  I used a friend's for a
> few days this summer and liked it.  I really liked how it screwed on
> to my water bottles making it easy to pump and no outlet hose
> to contaminate.  I clogged it once in a trickle of muddy water but
> cleaning the first stage screen was no problem.
> 
> I'm considering buying one for myself so if there are problems
> with the MSR I would REALLY like to know
> 
> --- Red

I also recently replaced my clogged FN with the MSR Waterworks.  I like
it a lot.  However, during a week in the Tetons last month, it clogged
severely and became very difficult to pump.  The instruction manual
cautions the user to be careful replacing the first stage screen after
cleaning because if it is not aligned properly on the O-ring, "raw"
water can get through to the carbon and membrane elements.  I believe
this is what happened to mine (some ill-informed member of my party
cleaned the screen).  REI cheerfully replaced it, and I haven't had any
problems with the new one (although I've only pumped about 20L through
it).  Be very careful about getting that screen in just right.

< Tony Lelm    cal@fc.hp.com   303-229-6082
Cogito ergo ski-----Carpe skiem-----What you seize is what you get------
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Moving to California
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:40:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Sep11.165237.25555@eos.arc.nasa.gov> dencisco@eos.arc.nasa.gov (David Paul Encisco) writes:
|In rec.backcountry you write:
|
|>Actually we already have too many Californians here. A certain
|>segment of the Calif. populace is moving to Oregon and it's lowering
|>the average intelligence of both states.  :-)
|
|Native Californians or just American transients who were born in some
|other state (other than Calif.); had a brief or extended stay here
|and then moved on because this place didn't fit their idealistic
|fantasy.
|
|Where I work, of about 200 people, 5 are native Californians (2 are
|from Oregon). And what about displacement? We send you our retired;
|you send us your young. When was the last time you heard about CA natives
|bashing out of staters?

Speaking as a native Californian (5th generation) I have spent more time
defending California from displaced out of staters that I have seen native
Californians bashing out of staters.  Ironically I get flamed for doing
it.  Not only from the out of staters but sometimes even from other natives.
I have no qualms about telling a displaced out of stater that if they don't
like it here they can go back to whereever the hell they came from.

| Okay, maybe at an S.F. Giants game, but we may not have to worry about
| that anymore.

Giants/Dodgers games don't count.  Dodger fans are from another country. 

-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira     | Auspex Systems | "Auspex does not share my opinions.  |
| johnf@auspex.com | Santa Clara CA |  So Why am I still working here?"    |
+==========================================================================+
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry,su.market,misc.forsale,ba.market.misc
From: jamin@leland.stanford.edu (Benjamin Mark Mendelsohn)
Subject: Kelty Packback for sale
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 16:55:57 GMT

Kelty Tioga II backpace with Mastiff Frame fosale.

Good condition (used a half dozen times).
Called REI to find out the volume - they say somewher in the
range of 4000-4999 cu. in.
Pack divided into 2 large compartments + 5 zippered pockets

Price: $100

Call Benjamin at    415/857-0432
or leave message at 415/592-3339
email:  jamin@leland.stanford.edu
From: curtis@optima.UUCP (Curtis E. Dyreson)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Outback Oven - A Review
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:16:00 GMT

From article <1950051@hpgrla.gr.hp.com>, by edb@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Ed Beshore):
> I would estimate a
> normal MSR bottle could go 2-3 days, baking each night.

Your intuition is correct.  Even 2-3 days of baking breakfast, 
dinner, and dessert is doable.

Here's my view of the Outback Oven after two multi-day trips.  
I own the larger, heavier version.  I've gotten mixed results on
baking various things, some things are very tasty, but others are 
not well-cooked. Overall I would not say that the Outback Oven is a 
true replacement for my oven at home.  Even with the diffuser plate, 
the pan bottom gets too hot and the top not hot enough.  But I'm 
still experimenting.

1) The bottom pan needs handles ---
If I cook a pizza, I want to slide it out of the pan onto a plate to
cut it into portions.  But this is somewhat tricky since there is no
handle on the pan and the pan with cooked pizza is awfully hot and 
heavy.  The lid almost fits my old camping teflon pan with folding 
handle, but with the handle extended the reflector cloth doesn't 
fit over the handle.  I guess I could cut a hole in reflector cloth,
but it would be better if the original pan came with two small handles.

2) Thermometer never reads higher than Warm-Up ---
The Thermometer has three readings, Warm-Up, Bake, and Burn.  I have
an MSR Whisperlite International and use white gas.  This stove gets hot.
Burn should be the natural reading, but I can't even get up to Bake!

3) Pizza crust is crispy ---
I do a whole wheat yeast pizza dough.  I tried both precooking the crust
and then adding the ingredients, and baking everything together.  Results
were similarly tasty.

4) Burns cinnamon rolls ---
I've tried the Joy of Cooking recipe twice.  The bottom gets carbonized
perhaps because there is crisco and sugar in the dough.  

5) Beer bread didn't rise ---
Enough said.  Perhaps the oven environment wasn't hot enough.

6) Zucchini bread burned on the outside, but never cooked inside ---
The Zucchini bread dough (a quick bread) is very moist.  I conjecture
that the oven doesn't perform well on a moist dough.  Perhaps, this can 
be overcome by cutting back on some of the moist ingredients (which is
why I precooked my pizza crust).

7) Choclate cakes (store mix) good ---
Crispy outside, light and flaky inside, but it's almost impossible to
miscook these mixes.  I used to bake them in a teflon pan and cover
the stove and pan in aluminum foil with similar results.

Curtis Dyreson
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: rbw3q@helga9.acc.Virginia.EDU (Robert B. Whitehurst)
Subject: Re: Cows at 12,000 Feet.
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:01:14 GMT

In article <14563@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.144422.965@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rbw3q@helga9.acc.Virginia.EDU (Robert B. Whitehurst) writes:
>>In article <14534@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>|> 
>|>Unfortunately there might also be fewer hunters.
>|>
>|	This is a problem?? :-) It's not like they're an endangered
>|species!
>|
>They're also people.
>
>+==========================================================================+
>| John Fereira     | Auspex Systems | "Auspex does not share my opinions.  |
>| johnf@auspex.com | Santa Clara CA |  So Why am I still working here?"    |
>+==========================================================================+

  	So?  A little gene-pool selection never hurt! :-) <--note
smiley.

-- 

Brad Whitehurst    |   Aerospace Research Lab
rbw3q@Virginia.EDU |   We like it hot...and fast.
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: scannon@bluemoon.rn.com (Sam Cannon)
Subject: Southern Washington State
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 09:20:39 EDT

Does anyone know of any interesting, out-of-the-way places
in or around the Walla-Walla/Kennewick/Southeastern area?
I'll be out in the area for the month of October and would
enjoy exploring.  Will have three free weekends.  Thanks
for any information.  Please email direct to 
scannon@bluemoon.rn.com, which is mostly working.

 
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From: scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com (Scott Linn)
Subject: Re: No dogs in Natl Parks
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:23:43 GMT

Just to add some more information about horse packers and dogs...

I spent the last nine days in the Marble Mountain Wilderness Area in 
northern CA.

1)  The sign at the trailhead states that horse packers are supposed to tether
    horses at least 200' away from water sources.  The typical distance that
    we observed (three groups) was 20' or less.  This was from a spring,
    which was the only source of water for about 2 miles.

2)  One of the horsepacker groups had a dog running around with them.  One
    of our group had just ducked into his tent when they rode up, and their
    dog chased my friend into his tent and thrashed around in there before
    being booted out.  What fun.

When will even a simple majority of horse packers and dog owners get a clue
on how to behave/manage their animals in the backcountry?

--

Scott Linn
scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: airey@woof.asd.sgi.com (John Airey)
Subject: Re: binoculars sought
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:46:21 GMT


In article <1992Sep11.023958.27658@news.Hawaii.Edu>, bill@gaza.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu writes:
> 
> 
> Still looking for suggestions of binoculars for backpacking.
> any recommendations?
> 
> thanx
> 
> --
>     bill@uhunix.bitnet 
>     bill@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu 
>     21.19 N.LAT by 157.52 W.LONG          
>     Fish on the Byte

   
     My girlfriend has some L.L.Bean/Nikon Travelite III's.

     I think they are about 7 ounces. 7x20 with Nikon coated
     lens. They worked for me on a surf trip to the Baja Peninsula.
     I also have some Nikon Naturalist II's 7x35's. The tiny
     ones compare well to these.

     I think they were about $90 in a recent L.L. Bean catalog.

Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: No dogs in Natl Parks
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 23:52:46 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Sep4.120535.25789@walter.cray.com> hens@snipe.cray.com
(Tom Stephens) writes:
>No, and I can't believe it ever would.  I have seen my dog drink out of
every body of water imagineable, and he has never gotten sick.  I suppose
it is possible for a dog to get giardia, but I've never heard of it.  

The Center for Disease Control has.
Also remember that you can have non-infected carriers.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Acting Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Moving to California
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 06:08:53 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Sep10.165938.18191@eos.arc.nasa.gov>
dencisco@eos.arc.nasa.gov (David Paul Encisco) writes:
>Why California? 1 out of 10 people are unemployed (more are under-employed),

Actually this is an average for the entire state.  The distribution
is not uniform: the counties near Tahoe (Desolation) are in some cases
bordering 20% unemployment (mostly logging).

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
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Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: chrism@col.hp.com (Chris Magnuson)
Subject: SLED WANTED
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 00:13:54 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

  I would like to buy a sled for mountainerring to haul my gear on whilst
cross-country skiing.  If you have such an item, send me a description of
it (Name, Model) and an asking price, as well as what kind of condition it
is in.

  If you have info on companies that make something like this let me know
that too.

Thanks!
chrism@col.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: guy@slustl.slu.edu (Guy Smith)
Subject: Re: water treatment -- some first hand info
Keywords: water filter
Organization: Saint Louis University  Saint Louis, MO
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:50:50 GMT

In article <79723@ut-emx.uucp> psilsbee@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Peter Silsbee) writes:
>you're not in some third-world country you know..." Anyway, the upshot
>is that for SOME people, giardia can be very unpleasant.
I can vouch for that. I was miserably sick with cramps and a fever of
103 degrees. I lost over ten pounds and it took several weeks to get my
endurance back. And I never went near any back country. I still dont know
where I got it.
>As for the Flagyl side-effects, I expect that this "myth" really does come
My doctor and pharmacist told me that Flagyl is a member of a group of
drugs called al-avert. Apparently in around 50% of the cases, ingestion of
alcohol while using this drug causes projectile vomiting. Not fun. I was
also warned to wait a week after i finished before starting to drink again.
These drugs are apparently sometimes used as part of an alcohol dependency
treatment program.
From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Floating through a forest fire
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:01:35 GMT
Organization: NCAR/UCAR

> In article <Sep14.153540.68180@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
> >In article <14594@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
(and a lost attribution to me, no doubt)
> >
> >>| We did catch and eat quite a few bull trout 
> >>
> >>I suppose that is *close* to a cow.
> >
> >Closer to a char, actually.  Eastern brook trout also are actually a char
> >and not a trout.  Char also can run to the sea.  Does anyone know where
> >the name "bull trout" came from?

Also known as "Dolly Varden."  I'd be way more interested in knowing
where *that* name came from!

-- 
/\                Ilana Stern DoD#009  ilana@ncar.ucar.edu 
  \_][ <--NCAR       Colorado...is totally rectangular.
      \_Boulder______________________________________________________Kansas__
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: pruss@helix.nih.gov (dmitry pruss)
Subject: Re: Unleaded stoves ??
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:37:21 GMT

In article <18v6opINNdat@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> au109@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Craig Williams) writes:
>
>currently have an old Svea white gas stove that I use on these
>tours.  Since I'm unable to carry fuel on the plane, I need to
>buy fuel after arriving at the starting point.  It seems that
>no one sells bulk white gas anymore--you need to buy a gallon of
>Coleman fuel.
....
>have thought of buying a new unleaded fuel stove.
>The Peak 1 seems a bit heavy, but otherwise very desirable.  Does 
>anyone have suggestions for me as to the the good and bad features
>of this and other unleaded fuel stoves?

The very first suggestion is to try Svea with regular unleaded gasoline. It
*may* work poor if it's really *cold* (in winter). In summmer it's OK.

Fortunately, wite gas stoves *never* work *too nice* with gasoline (no huge
uncontrolled flames)

	D
From: sawtelle@mariposa.stonecutter.com (Don Sawtelle)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: MSR filter (was: Water treatment article)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 10:15:01 PDT
Organization: Stonecutter Software
Reply-To: sawtelle@stonecutter.com
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


In article <laa07pINNper@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> (rec.backcountry), tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill) writes:
> I've had only two reports from the field, both from kayakers who said
> their MSRs clogged quickly and became extremely hard to pump.  This was
> on California rivers of low to moderate siltation.  For Deseret rivers
> I think the MSR would be totally unusable.  Most river runners gave up
> on the First Need long ago, because of severe clogging problems.  Only
> the Katadyn and Pur seem usable over long periods.

It seems reasonable to filter from a pot of water rather than directly from the
source and thus avoid clogging your filter, no matter what model you have.

My MSR clogged once in a week of constant use. It took about two
minutes to remove, clean, and reinsert the top screen. It didn't happen
again, because I then filtered from a pot, where sediment could settle.

In article <18lkkfINN5p1@moe.ksu.ksu.edu> (rec.backcountry), diverson@phys.ksu.edu (David Iverson) writes:
> So, isn't anyone else annoyed by the fact that the MSR squeaks like a
> tortured mouse (or is that only a part of the filter I used).  Also, how
> about crunching your knuckles against the side of the filter when you pump. 
> Finally, it seems that it's very easy to over-pump (cavitation, bubbles and
> all that sort of wasted effort).  

Perhaps your pump cylinder wall needed a thin film of grease. Mine
doesn't squeak. The manual says you can use lip stuff in a pinch. I
haven't noticed any knuckle-crunching problem. If there are bubbles in
the pump (easily visible because the pump cylinder wall is clear) clear
them by doing one stroke with the pump upside down. If you pump too
fast the pump is less efficient because the relief valve kicks in.
So... there's no point to pumping that fast. It does do a liter in a
little more than a minute, as advertised. Along with the operation of
the relief valve there is a "shhh" fine bubble hissing noise. So it's
easy to tell if you are pumping faster than you need to (or if the
input screen needs to be cleaned).

---
Don Sawtelle:Stonecutter Software:Mariposa, CA
sawtelle@stonecutter.com
From: ed@titipu.meta.com (Edward Reid)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: qx: boiling water at high altitudes
Date: 6 Sep 92 19:21:38 GMT
Reply-To: ed@titipu.meta.com (Edward Reid)
Organization: Accuracy, Ltd.
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v0

mtume@cicero.spc.uchicago.edu (Annette Bernhardt) writes:
> We're heading off to the Andes in a month and a half -- question:
> is boiling water to kill little nasties any less effective at
> high altitudes, where boiling temp is lower?

According to the AJPH article I posted recently, 10 minutes at 70C kills all
Giardia cysts.  I don't know about other organisms, nor do I remember exactly
how fast the boiling temperature falls off with altitude.

Edward Reid  (8*}>
  eel:   ed@titipu.meta.com  or  nosc.mil!titipu.meta.com!ed
  snail: PO Box 378/Greensboro FL 32330