From: jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo)
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Subject: Part XVI, PACIFICA RADIO Investigates the Murder of President Kennedy
Keywords: researchers' revelations about the assassination of President Kennedy
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:04:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsl.1992Oct16.160432.29973
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Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories


        I made the following transcript from a tape recording 
        of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station
               WBAI-FM (99.5)
               505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
               New York, NY 10018       (212) 279-0707

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                        (continuation)
DAVID LIFTON:
Now, contrary to that evidence, I actually located the witnesses
who were at the back of the hospital, and who participated in
off-loading the vehicle and the casket in which the body actually
was in. And that was a black hearse which arrived at about ten
minutes `til seven, Eastern Time. That black hearse had two men in
O.R. smocks and a group of civilians. A shipping casket was brought
out of that hearse. Dennis David, who is in Chapter 25 of my book,
described the scene of his men off-loading that casket. Furthermore,
I have documentary evidence, which is in my book (it's actually at
the Gerald Ford Library now), that the arrival occurred at 6:50,
apparently. This is the shipping casket. It was brought into the
hospital. That shipping casket was opened by Paul O'Connor who was
the medical technician at Bethesda Naval Hospital. Inside that
shipping casket, according to O'Connor, the President's body was in
a body bag. He unzipped the body bag. That statement was accepted
and published by the House Select Committee: the fact that he
opened the President's body bag; that the body was in a body bag.
That's the information that the body did not arrive in the same
casket that it left Dallas in, even though, of course, the big
casket arrives at the front of the hospital.

Now, it so happens that the big casket enters twice: once at eight
o'clock, as I've just described in the casket scene. However, it
also enters at 7:14. That casket entry is documented in FBI
documents provided by FBI agents Seibert and O'Neill. So we have
three casket entries: the one in the shipping casket at 6:50 when,
apparently, the body arrived. Then there's this covert entry of the
big casket while the casket team is chasing around looking for it.
And that's apparently when the body was put back into the big
casket so that they could have an official casket opening at 8:00.

This hocus-pocus is documented. I think any historian has to accept
the fact that there are three documented entries. One can argue and
say that it's all a matter of a mix-up of the paperwork. I think
that that is highly unlikely in view of the other part of my case
which involves actual alterations to the body. That's a separate
issue. But on the area of the chain-of-possession, I want to tell
you that when this material was run on San Francisco TV station
KRON-TV, in a documentary in which I was a consultant, narrated by
Sylvia Chase and produced by Stanhope Gould, Stanhope said to the
San Francisco papers (and I was very pleased with this), he says:

   "David Lifton has courtroom evidence that the body did not make an
    uninterrupted journey from Dallas to Bethesda. Something happened.
    He interviewed these witnesses personally, on camera. He sat with
    them for hours in restaurants. They are credible."   

And unless one believes in some crazy theory of Maxwell's demons, 
and that reality went haywire that night, as it is supposed to have
gone haywire in Dealey Plaza that afternoon, with all kinds of
non-physical things occurring; you know, the head going the wrong way
on the Zapruder Film, or witnesses not understanding where the shots
came from .....  This is another episode at Bethesda that night.
And I say that what we are witnessing is, in fact, an interruption in
the chain-of-possession.  A disguise was in force.  The decoy ambulance
business smells.  And something happened that night.  Now, in my book
I try to explain what that something is. But focusing just on the
microscopic here, something happened.  There are three documented
entries of two caskets.  

GARY NULL:
Okay. Now let's go!  What do you think happened, and how is it
significant to the conspiracy concept?

DAVID LIFTON:
Okay. In what I am now going to say, I'm not addressing the autopsy
X-rays and photographs. I am addressing the descriptions of the
body as recorded in the official documentation in the Bethesda
autopsy report and testimony.  Okay? Because the autopsy photos and
X-rays are another issue -- and an important one -- and a separate
issue. But to avoid confusion (on a radio program we do not have
visual aids), what I'm going to say to you is that the legal record
(and one of the accomplishments of my book was to demonstrate
that the Bethesda medical record, based on the descriptions of the
head wound, for example, is different from the Dallas medical
record), the Dallas record described a 35 square centimeter hole
(wound) in the back right-rear of the President's head, with a flap
of scalp connected with that hole at the back -- a wound at the
right-rear of the head.  Okay?  I documented that in my book. 
I showed that news accounts, starting with the press conference
conducted within an hour of the time of death, when the two doctors
Clark and Perry conducted a press conference at Parkland Hospital,
with news interviews over the weekend, with testimony before the
Warren Commission, with their medical reports -- it all points to
the fact that the doctors in Dallas saw a hole at the right-rear of
the head. Connected with that hole was a flap of scalp. They all
thought that a bullet had exited from the right-rear of the head.
When I say, "they all thought", let's say with one minor exception.
But that's what their diagnosis was. And the brain was inside the
head. It was not gone, or anything of that sort. There was severe
damage. There was some brain tissue blown out. But it was not as if
the President was in Dallas, Texas with an empty cranium.

Now, that is the Dallas evidence. I refer anybody listening to this
to Chapter 13 of my book ["BEST EVIDENCE"]. At the Bethesda end of
the line, I personally think that the finest evidence there is is a
blood-stained diagram -- today at the National Archives. That blood-
stained diagram, executed by Commander Boswell, one of it's autopsy
surgeons, shows measurements ten-by-seventeen for the hole in the
top of the President's head. Ten-by-seventeen is 170 square centimeters.
That's FIVE times larger than the thirty-five square centimeters hole
at Parkland.  To use inches, at Parkland it was thought to be two 
and three-quarter inches across. At Bethesda it's seven or eight
inches on the diagonal. In the official autopsy description, it was
listed as thirteen centimeters across, which is still a mighty big hole.
It was not what was seen in Dallas.    

Furthermore, specifically stated in the Bethesda report is that
the scalp is entirely gone over that hole. There is no flap. It is
just GONE. Now that huge crater in the top right-hand side of the
head is described in the Bethesda autopsy report, and it conflicts
with Dallas. Furthermore, two agents present -- FBI agents Seibert
and O'Neill, again who are also connected with the coffin business;
that is, in providing us with valuable information about that 7:14
entry -- two FBI agents report that when the body was removed from
the casket in which it had been transported, and placed on the
autopsy table, it was apparent that there had been surgery of the
head area; namely, in the top of the skull. NO such surgery was
performed in Dallas. If the FBI statement is true (and that's a
very critical question; it ought to be investigated by a special
prosecutor) ..... if the FBI statement is true, then something
happened to the body between Dallas and Bethesda.
                      (to be continued)
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      If you agree that this story deserves broad public attention, please
      assist in disseminating it by posting it to other bulletin boards,
      and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus. 
      As evidence accrues concerning the corporate mass-media's thirty-year
      cover-up of the corporate CIA's coup d'etat against the People of 
      the United States, the need for citizen reportage becomes
      ever more striking.

         John DiNardo
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