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From: ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj)
Subject: Re: WhyIsSwineProhibited? Answer.
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 14:56:01 GMT

>In addition to the previously stated property
>that pig body posesses, it has another property i.e:  
>
>	The pig does not reproduce like other animals.  More than one male pig 
>uses the same female pig.  The father of the child is not known.  This is a
>dirty act and no other animals does it.  

I don't understand the significance of the above point.  Biologically
speaking only one sperm will fertilize an egg producing an offspring
(not that even this has any significance but still, I wanted to clarify).
In an uncontrolled atmosphere I believe all (or most) animals engage in
non-monogamous activity concerning their sexual behavior.  How is this
act dirty?  I mean they are animals.  They have no capability for
moral judgments (assuming humans do, which is a big assumption!).  So
what's the deal?  What does this have to do with the benefits and costs
of consuming pig flesh?

Yasmin

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From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Visa to India
Date: 16 Oct 1992 14:30:07 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: usa
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>>
>>	1) Why do they want to know religion of the applicant. Republic
>>	   of India being secular (atleast by constitution) should not
>>	   indulge in such questions ! Will someone ( from India)
>>	   clarify this.
>>
>1. Maybe for statistics.
>2. To see if there are still any Hindus in Pakistan.   I have never met 
>a Hindu from Pakistan, not even on the net.

>
>Manoj

	How many Pakistanis HAve you met in your whole life. Hindus and
Christians together are less than  a coupel of percent. Most of the people
have not met any Hindu from Pakistan in U.S. So who the flying fuck
you are. Why dont you put an ad in newspapers around U.S. asking
for PAkistani Hindus. May be some of my Pakistani Hindu friends will
respond to it. The fact that you have not met any Hindu from Pakistan
does not mean a shit! Do not try to respond to every post on the net.

Mansoor

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj)
Subject: I need information concerning flood donations
Originator: ys3359@thor.albany.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 01:29:55 GMT

Assalamoalaikum

	I just spoke to my mother on the phone.  Our family had
called the Edhi Foundation Offices in Corona (near our house in NYC)
concerning donating clothes for the victims of the flood in Pakistan.
They informed us that they had no means of transporting the clothes
to Pakistan because PIA had refused transport of even one crate per
flight.  I was wondering if anyone else had any information on this
matter.  My family has many clothes that we cannot seem to get to people
who need them.  I know there have been other posts on this subject and
I'm sorry if I am asking an already answered question.  However I
promised my mom I'd check it out for her.

Khudahafiz

Yasmin

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From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: A know-it-all Bachee
Date: 7 Oct 1992 22:12:48 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: na
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		A little girl was sitting in a barber chair waiting
for  her first haircut. She was so frightened that she started  to 
cry. The barber, experienced with children, gave the  child a cookie.
Her sobbing stopped, and so the  barber began to cut her locks.
But suddenly she started to cry again.
	"What's the matter, little girl?" asked the barbar. "Have you got 
hair on your cookie?"
	"What are you -- a jerk?" cried the little girl.
	"I'm only six years old!"


Mansoor Khan
Cleveland, Oh
 
P.S. I hope most people will get the joke. Those who cannot, should ask
     those who got it!  This reminds me of Mullah Nasruddin's famous speech!
     Any Nasruddin jokes, Shaikh Chilli, Beerbul, Mulla Doe-Piaazaa jokes.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP)
Subject: Re: Asian models, a friendly disagreement and some extra :-)'s
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:02:00 GMT

In article <718555328@flounder.cs.duke.edu>, azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar) writes...
>In article <8OCT199208473455@vxcrna.cern.ch> mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP) writes:
>>In article <1avctiINNjt4@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>, jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali) writes...
>>>The answer is simple. NO. Pakistan is not under Islamic law.
>>>Anyone who claims otherwise is telling you a bold lie.
> 
>>	What about the shariat laws?
> 
>	   What 'bout'em? They hardly  "incorprate" some aspects of
>Islamic Law into Pakistani legal structure. The charter of Shariat
>Bench is to appease the conservatives (mullah groups) than to
>implement Islamic laws. 
> 
	Which aspects	

>>>Mirza Sahib,  I have a better idea for you to make money.  Why not
>>>take Pakistan the Thai route.  Sell hoards of our bibi's to German
>>>tourists.....
>>>Babes, babes, babes!
>>>j n a.
>>>and oh, :) :) :) :) :) :)
> 
>	   Good idea, j n a. :-)
> 
>>	This I will leave to YOU and some of your muslim brothers from
>>	bangladesh, India (probabily pakistan as well) and the
>>	rich MUSLIM seikhs from middle east.
>>	[Cool down brother! Hamam may sub nungay!]
> 
>	   I would like to see Mirza Sahib as the talent co-ordinator. :-)
>And, about j n a colling down... well the dude is hot, and if Mriza
>Sahib can't stand the heat he should stay out of the refrigerator. :-)
> 
>>Mirza Ilyas
> 
>	   Salman [cool Paki dude] Azhar
> 
>	   
>-- 
> I must, with emotional fire, burn or illume myself
> I must, with the heat of passion, melt or sublime myself
> I must, in flood of tears, drown or cleanse myself
> I must! I must! I must! For my people and myself -- D. Salman [Q] Azhar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mac1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema)
Subject: Travelling to Pakistan, have questions !!!!!
Summary: pak.travel
Keywords: pak.travel
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 22:43:30 GMT




 Hello World,
	     I'll be flying to Pakistan from Strakville, MS stopping at 
 Paris for 4 days to Karachi Pakistan on around 25th of Nov. I have few
 questions. Please feel free to skip any or all :


1. Will they let me take my camcorder on board. I hear they usually don't 
   allow anything with batteries. 

2. What are the regulations regarding the duty on camcorders. How much would
   I have to pay. Last time I went to Pakistan was 1.5 yrs ago. Do I have a
   quota for prsonal items. If yes how much ?

3. I plan on bringing the camcorder back to US will I still have to pay the 
   duty. ( Is there a work around ).

4. A friend says that if I keep it out of the luggage (i.e: in hands) they
   will consider it as a personal item and won't charge any duty on it.
   I think he was serious . 

5. I'll be travelling with Gulf Air, can I just check my luggage for KHI
   instead of Paris and collect it from Karachi Airport when I get there ?
   since it'll be a hassle carrying around the weight in Paris.


  Any help/ideas/suggestions/hints/etc will be greatly appreciated.

Thanx alot.

Mubashir.

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From: karnik@unity.cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik)
Subject: Re: WhyIsSwineProhibited? Answer.
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:51:44 GMT

In <1992Oct12.205501.14910@asl.dl.nec.com> murthy@aslws01.asl.dl.nec.com (Vasudev Murthy) writes:

>To add a different twist, the evidence is overwhelming
>now, I am told, that Pigs are actually quite
>intelligent animals. I wish I had a recent Wall Street
>Journal article that talked about Vietnamese Pigs, very
>popular as pets. They are apparently quite neat and
>clean animals with distinct personalities.
:
:
:
:
>Oink. :-)


	Hey, is that Lord Emsworth of Blandings Castle ?? :-) Sounds exactly
like the kind of thing he would say!

P.S. Pig-hooooooooeeey :-)

>Vasudev
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  Neeran   Karnik  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dept. of Computer Science,      | Email: karnik@cs.umn.edu
University of Minnesota         |        karn0001@student.tc.umn.edu
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: rathoret@sumax.seattleu.edu (Tariq Rathore)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Demonstration On Bosnia
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:17:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: sumax.5400
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA

From rathoret@seattleu.edu Wed Oct 14 13:13:00 1992
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From: Tariq Rathore <rathoret@seattleu.edu>
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>bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar) writes:
>>Why isn't it sufficient to say that the genocide of BOSNIANS
>>must be stopped?
>>Why MUST the religions of the Bosninans be mentioned when you
>>are implying that the genocide is across the religious
>>boundaries.

>In article <dogar.718919439@opal4> dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Haroon H. Dogar)
 writes: >
>Because, like the genocide in Kashmir, the people are being
>slaughtered BECAUSE they are Muslims.

| From: bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar)
| Its interesting that you compare Kashmir with Bosnia. In Kashmir
| the same attitude of knowing a person by his faith is resulting 
| in the "ethnic cleansing" of Hindus from Kashmir. Terrorists,
| rightly or wrongly, justifying their actions in the name of the
| fundamentals of Islam are throwing out the Hindus from the valley to 
| convert it into a Darul-Islam. 

I have a few comments
1. Raj I agree whith your original comment that it should be sufficient to
   say that the genocide in BOSNIA should be stopped. But there is no deny
   -ing of the fact that there ethnicity is a major factor in what is happening.
   In Bosnia what is happening is that the Serbs are taking revenge for
   the defeat they had at the hands of a Muslim Turkish army very far back.
   It has been that thing which has not left there minds and the events
   which we see now are just a very enlarged picture. Events like these had
   been happening since that war on a small scale.
2. In Kashmir you called the inhabitants terrorists. Well this is a relative
   term. When the oppressed ask for there rights forcefully they are
   terroists in the eyes of those who are denying them those rights.
 

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          "Self Determination For People Of Kashmir"
Tariq Rathore                                rathoret@sumax.seattleu.edu
########################################################################  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ahasan@cae.wisc.edu (Ali Hasan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Awami Disco Party - a Statement on Naveed Shervani's behalf
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:27:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Oct14.122757.5466
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

In article <1992Oct14.034125.3263@sol.cs.wmich.edu> sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani) writes:
>
> I guess I never learned how to question when I was in Pakistan. I give credit
>of this type of thinking to american education system. I am very happy that I 
>have learned to question my beliefs and my ideas. How to teach others this
>method of questioning is one of the greatest challenges in my teaching career. 
>I hope my students will not blindly follow what I will tell them, but question,
>test it and follow it as long as they think it is correct. This is the only 
>way they may find new ideas.
>

That must have had something to do with your family. I have spent my life
questioning the "powers that be." I think ones parents teach one to ask
questions. Can it be that you have started asking questions after you
have been removed from their immediate control (if you have)?

Though one thing that is here and not there is that one is not punished
for asking questions. Which means only the brave can ask questions in
Pakistan, and everyone can do that here.

						--ali.

>regards,
>
>-Naveed
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
Subject: Re: Asian models, a friendly disagreement and some extra :-)'s
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 18:18:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.162648.2256@vax1.mankato.msus.edu>, amr7969@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
|> 
|> >>>AMAAN MIRZA MIAN....I THINK YOU ARE IN THE WRONG SECTION DUDE!
|> >>>THIS IS CULTURE OF PAKISTAN, WHICH IS AN ISLAMIC REPUBLIC NOT A 
|>    NATION OF BEER DRINKING JERKS LIKE YOU!!SORRY FOR THE OFFENSIVE BEHAVIOUR
|> >>>BUT YOUR NONSENSE POSTINGS ARE DRIVING ME NUTS!!!!
|> >>>>			<KoOL>>
|> 
|> In article <1992Oct8.005039.19669@leland.Stanford.EDU>, arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan) writes:
|> > In article <92281.105838U43587@uicvm.uic.edu> <U43587@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
|> > 
|> >>>        You forgot to mention that we make one of the finest beer.
|> >>>        This is my opinion after living in Germany (a beer drinking country)
|> >>>        for several years. This beer factory near Muree has survived
|> >>>        atleast 3 burnings by the fundamentalists. It is pity that
|> >>>        we are not promoting this sector. It can create lot of local
|> >>>        jobs and foreign exchange. Some parts of Pakistan are also
|> >>>        ideal to produce wines.
|> >>>
|> >>>Mirza Ilyas
|> >>
|> >>Hey Br. Mirza Ilyas at first in Re: Asian model in a white world you ask
|> >>us about what the Quraan says about modeling.  Now you state that Pak beer
|> >>is the best tasting.  Am I stupid or what but Muslim's don't drink!
|> > 
|> > Maybe the line should read " muslims cant drink! " but we are not supposed
|> > to a alot of other things as well .......................
|> > 
|> > sahibzada rafay khan [ waiting for a tanker full of oj]
|> > 
|> >>
|> >>That just goes to show where the Paks of the world are taking Pak, down
|> >>the gutters of Sadar & Lalukaith in the Worlds best metropolitan smog city
|> >>Karachi ( I would assume, right Mr. Ilyas _ i refuse to take you as my Brother
|> >>since you have reverted to drinking german beer.)
|> >>


Come on why are you being so inflexible. Let Mr Ilyas do whatever he wants and
even though he drinks beer he might be a good human being. Though a person who
commits evil and is mislead from the true and righteous path can seldom be one.
From: azeem@juliet.caltech.edu (Azeem, Mohammad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: convictions
Date: 12 Oct 1992 12:31 PST
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: world
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1992Oct6.151255.17319@cbnews.cb.att.com>, izaz@cbnews.cb.att.com (sheikh.izazul.haque) writes...
> 
>Here's a new one for netters. What do people believe are Pakistanis true 
>convictions? i.e. things one would never compromise on?
> 
>e.g. Family, Religion, Money, Human Rights, Democracy, Honesty, etc.

     1. Religion (name not practice)
     2. Family (over females:ones belonging to their family)
     3. Money
     4. Democracy (if other party is ruling, otherwise anarchy)
     5. Human Rights (importance is on Rights not Humans)
     6. Honesty (what is that and where do you find it?)

Mohammad Azeem
From: ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: WhyIsSwineProhibited? Answer.
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:52:00 GMT
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York

In article <1992Oct14.042033.18389@massey.ac.nz> A.Qadir@massey.ac.nz (A. Qadir) writes:
>Dear Brs/ Sis.
>.......... [deleted].........
>I would like to tell all non-muslim: look this is our religion
>and we have been given these rule by the prophet (PUBH) of
>ALLAH, so, we have to obey this.

Being a muslim, that's a valid reson of not eating pork. Don't eat it. 

>We have got plenty of good "HALAL" meat which we can eat. So,
>why should we think about this dirty animal. 
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That's prejudice!!! 

Arshad[ against Jamaati's term "Brs/Sis" ] Hussain
From: azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Jesus: MightyProphet NotSonOfGod
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:08:24 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Oct8.131115.23655@crc.ac.uk> fkhurshi@crc.ac.uk (Ms F. Khurshid) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.134544.5671@gw.wmich.edu>, 894waqas@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>> >>		I would like to inform you about a latest research going on in
>> >>the field of biology called CLONNING.  What is Clonning?  Well, it a process by
>> >>which a baby is born without any male intervention.  How?  What they do..

>PLEASE you're giving molecular biology a 'baad' name! :-)
>'CLONING' means to produce populations of cells/ organisms from a single cell or 
>or common ancestor bythe normal process of cell division.

	   I think the dude is referring to a fantastic new method called
CLONNING, and the dudettee is talking about CLONNING. One is a poetic
method, and the other is scientific. Consequently, what we have here
is a failure to communicate.

dsqa

>> Akhtar Waqas.
>Farha Khurshid                               email: fkhurshi@uk.ac.mrc-crc





-- 
 I must, with emotional fire, burn or illume myself
 I must, with the heat of passion, melt or sublime myself
 I must, in flood of tears, drown or cleanse myself
 I must! I must! I must! For my people and myself -- D. Salman [Q] Azhar
From: x91waqas@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: WhyIsSwineProhibited? Answer.
Date: 12 Oct 92 08:47:34 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <BvzMLt.74u@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar) writes:
> In article <1992Oct11.204149.5752@gw.wmich.edu> 894waqas@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> 
> 
>>	The pig does not reproduce like other animals. More than one male pig 
>                                                        ---------------------- 
>>uses the same female pig.  
>  ~~~~---------------------  
> 
> 
> To say that Male [Chauvinist?] pigs *USE* female pigs is representative of
> a real Male Chauvinist [Pig?] attitude. How about saying that each female pig
> *uses* more than one male [Chauvinist?] pig?
> 
> 
>>The father of the child is not known.  This is a
>>dirty act and no other animals does it.  
>>
> 
> another of those things that make one go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
> 
> I thought the institution of marriage that binds one male to one 
> (or upto 4) female did not extend much beyond only a majority of 
> the humans. 
> 

Dear Brother,

	I think you are talking about Islam and Muslims.  Well, Islam allow a
man to get wed upto four women if he can do justice among them, if not he has 
to marry only one.  First to explain why is it that a man is allowed to marry 
upto four women?  Well, my brother, if you check man to woman ratio in your 
country and rest of the world you will come up with the statistics similar to 
this: six females for one male.  Now, my brother, if you get all the men 
married to one and only one female, you will be left with five female without 
husband.  Now, what about those five female left over, is it justice to leave 
them as they are or should one do something about it?  Doctors say that
psychologically and biologically she needs a mate and it's not good for her
health not to have one.

	I don't see any solution to this problem in any other relegion except
Islam.  But the condition to marry them is if one can do justice among them.  
Further more, there is no other religious scripture that says, "if you can not 
                                                                --------------
do justice among them then marry only one."  Now, if one male has four female  
----------------------===================
it is always know who is the mother and the father.  But if you do it the other
way around one can not tell who is the father.  It is simply illogical.
    


> While eating lamb chops do you generally worry about the parentage
> of the lamb and the sexual morality of its biological parents? 
>

No, because it is not dirty by nature, as pig.


 
> While killing a lamb/chicken do you generally worry about the sex-life
> of its possible surviving mate?
> 

No, because it is not dirty by nature, as pig.

> Possible questions on this issue are  e  n   d    l     e      s       s:-)
> 

	There is an answer to every question.  May Allah give guidance to those
who seek for it.


Your Brother,

Akhtar Waqas.
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