HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: edw@boi.hp.com (Edward Walsh)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Mounting radar detectors on bikes
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:24:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: mail.Bvnxwz.HJ3
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
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mercer@newton.apple.com (Paul Mercer) writes:
: I have recently given up the tank bag so I'm going to see about mounting
: the Solo some other way.
: Paul Mercer

Buy an Aerostich suit. Unzip right front sleeve/cuff pocket. With appropriate
sewing machine, sew a buttonhole through from inside the pocket to inside
the sleeve. Place Solo in pocket. Run earplug wire through sleeve and 
buttonhole. 

Your welcome.

No, it's not my idea originally, but the original perpetrator reads and
won't post.
------------------------------Edward Walsh----Hewlett-Packard Company-------
                              edw@boi.hp.com  Disk Memory Division, MS213
                              (208)323-2174   P.O. Box 39  Boise,Idaho 83707
                              FJ1200'89,XZ550RJ(Vision)'82,DoD#98
From: pooder@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Cold weather gear for the poor?
Date: 4 Oct 92 13:07:56 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System

In article <1992Oct4.125511.1355@msus1.msus.edu>, pooder@msus1.msus.edu writes:
[A bunch of garbled stuff deleted] (This editor is giving me fits!!)
It should say:

. . . 

 Polyester insulated jacket
 Rain jacket if it gets really cold or...(I bought the set at KMart for $10)
. . . 

 Bell Tourstar (full-face) helmet

. . .

 hallucinations - not good.
From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: full face DoD?
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:25:57 GMT
	<1992Sep29.145426.27614@javelin.sim.es.com>
	<1992Sep29.214932.1325@msus1.msus.edu>
Organization: Chemistry Dept., Harvard University
In-reply-to: pooder@msus1.msus.edu's message of 30 Sep 92 03:49:32 GMT

>>>>> On 30 Sep 92 03:49:32 GMT, pooder@msus1.msus.edu said:
pooder> On Harvey I seldom go over 40.  That means I'm usually well under 40, 
pooder> especially at intersections (where accidents are more likely).  I most
pooder> likely will have braked before the crash.  Combine all these factors
pooder> and I'm hitting the asphalt at about 10 miles per hour.  I don't need
pooder> a motorcycle helmet, I can wear a bicycle helmet.  In fact, I don't
pooder> need a helmet at all!

You don't have to be moving at all to fall down.  Toll booths and
intersections are notorius for poor traction.  If you lose your
balance for any reason, at any speed - a head injury can be avoided or
lessened with proper protective gear.  The average collision is at low
speed.  Helmets are most effective in low speed collisions.  Your
"need" for a helmet is as great or greater than any other time.

Ask any vet about eye damage from air-borne particles when a dog hangs
his/her head out car windows for any extended time.  People on
motorcycles suffer much the same problem.  Sunglasses or other "open"
protection does not prevent air flow over the cornea.  Think of it as
"sand blasting your eyes" at speeds as low as 3 mph.

Wind, rain, and cold are present even at low speed.  Your head is the
single most significant point of heat loss on your body.  Helmets are
good insulators and help protect prevent hypothermia.  On hot days,
they serve to maintain proper temperature as well.  Even in the desert
under direct sun exposure - temperatures INSIDE of a helmet rarely
vary by more than a few degrees.  Study references are cited in "What
About Helmets", available as a reprint from the MSF.

If you live in a state where helmet use is not mandated by law, it is
your choice to wear or not wear one.  Your reasons are your own.  But
don't delude yourself by thinking that riding without a helmet is ever
a "smart" choice.
--
Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu>         MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18
Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.  "It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want to..."
From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Pooder's Facial Remnants (was Re: full face DoD?)
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:32:33 GMT
Organization: The Cafe at the Edge of the Universe

leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) writes:
> While it's perfectly acceptable to wear or not wear a helmet (in some
> states, sigh...), or to wear a $300 Arai Signet or a $25 K-Mart special,
> that's your choice.  But don't delude yourself into believing that you
> can necessarily walk away from an 10mph dump in your driveway.  You

To which pooder@msus1.msus.edu (Pooder) replies:
>Can you say "rationalization"?  I knew you could.  In my post I said that's
>what I was doing.  I never ride helmetless.  I never said I do.  I do 
>rationalize that an open-face helmet is OK for occasional use.  I recognize
>that there's risk of hurting myself more than if I always wore my RF200, but
>I accept that risk.

This was not my interpretation of your original post, and apparently was
not that of several other readers (ie: don't take this as an apology 8^).

I wasn't saying you shouldn't ride bareheaded or with a saucer or openface,
just that you should recognize that not all helmets are created equal.
Your latest post clarifies this point.  As in the datapoint I supplied,
I ride with either a fullface or an openface or (until recently ;^( ) no
helmet at all, depending upon the circumstances of the ride and the amount
of risk to which I am willing to subject myself.  I certainly wasn't
intent upon throwing stones merely at your use of an openfaced helmet.

>Part of life is evaluating risks and making choices.  If we all chose the
>least risky choice, r.m. wouldn't exist. 

You bet.  Reading this newsgroup is the riskiest thing I do, by far!!
 
>Pooder - Rochester, MN - DoD #591 

Mr. Bill
-- 
Bill Leavitt  DoD: #224  Domain: leavitt@cs.umd.edu  UUCP: uunet!mimsy!leavitt
"Due to circumstances beyond your control,
                        you are master of your fate and captain of your soul."
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: rickr@cedco.uucp (Rick Raque)
Subject: Re: DoD weenies
Organization: K.U.U.G.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:29:36 GMT

blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:

>>Living proof that a DoD number does affect one's brain,

>Sad, isn't it?
>-- 
>Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
>580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
>Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
>My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked

I resemble that remark!!   I am as weird now as I was BEFORE I joined the DoD!

Rick

=============================================================================
|  rickr@cedco.uucp      DoD   |    Kentuckiana Unix Users Group            |
|  '82 Siverwing         0673  |          (502) 584-8534                    |
=============================================================================
   My Employer wont't agree with me, so don't blame them if I can't keep my 
                          mouth shut! 

-- 

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|   Rick Raque             |        Kentuckiana Unix Users Group            |
|   Louisville KY          |                 DoD  #0673                     |
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: Harley Fashionable == Deaths
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:52:37 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX


I'll betcha the stats show something like this:

    CrotchRockets == ManyMoreDeathsThanHarley == NotCoincidence

I'm basing this assumption of the fact that crotch rockets (ok, sportbikes)
are more appealing and affordable to those kinds of riders who are much more
likely to push the machine to its limits and past their limits of riding
capabilities and therefore have a greater probability to be involved in a
fatal wreck. Mr. "My-1100-is-too-slow-for-me" is not alone out there in the
world outside r.m.
-- 
=============================================================================
Neal Howard (neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org)        CompuTrac, Inc. (Richardson,TX)
DoD #686   '91 XLH-1200      '70 Kawasaki G4-100cc    '69 Cougar XR7-GT390
	   Ensoniq VFX-SD    Kramer Pacer guitar      '70 429CJ(needs a home)
=============================================================================
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: What if.....
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:00:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Sep29.102029.5774@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> kstell@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (kevin.l.stell) writes:
>Gee I have access to a V65 motor .. and a pristine V45... and winter is a
>
>What if...

Speaking of which, my best friend down in Austin, TX has a 1981 Yamaha 650
vertical twin which really needs an overhaul due to running an extended
time with one carb's float stuck and dumping about 1/3 gallon of gas down
one cylinder. My brother-in-law acquired a 1982 Yamaha 750 Maxim (4cyl,
shaft drive) from a neighbor who moved away and abandoned it in his yard.
The 750 has been wrecked pretty bad, forks are bent inward till they are almost
vertical and both wheels have big dents in them. It's not worth repairing
but the engine/tranny are in good shape for a bike with 28K miles. It is
still rideable (depending on how you define "rideable", ;-) ) but handles
somewhat interestingly. Anyway my bro'-in-law says if said former neighbor
doesn't lay claim to this bike soon, he wants it hauled off and I get it
for free. Any Yamaheads out there got any advice for what I'm thinkin???
A few measurements seem to confirm that at least the dual discs from the
Maxim can be grafted onto the 650 twin. I think the forks are the same
diameter so the lower legs from the 750 can be used with the rest of fork
parts from the 650. That 750 4-banger sure looks big, but the 650 looks like
it has a lot of room in the frame. We'd have to find another rear wheel for the
shaft drive and I haven't measured it, but I hope the rear swingarm from the
750 will bolt into the 650's frame. If anyone already is familiar with these
two bikes, please let me know if this would be a reasonable swap or a Jap
bike Frankenstein monster to build.
<--------------------------------------------------------------------->
< Neal Howard                         | '91 Harley Sportster XLH-1200 >
< email: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org     | DoD # 686                     >
< CompuTrac, Inc. (Richardson, TX)    | '69 Cougar XR7-GT390          >
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Subject: Re: Side-car rigs?
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:09:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.005938.21691@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>To say that my wife is less than keen to ride double on my bike
>would be an extreme understatement. But she'd love riding in a
>sidecar -- go figure. So I got some questions:
>
>I have an '81 Maxim 650. Is this big enough to take a sidecar rig?

No problem. I've run one with good results on a 650 Triumph, which is much
lighter and less powerful.

>Are there aftermarket/custom sidecar rigs for a bike like mine?
>

Yes. California Sidecar and Velorex are good quality hacks for the money.

>Are they easily detachable (no, not at high speeds, damnit)? I don't
>want to drag the thing around unless somebody's in it.
>

Most can be detached easily. In my experience, they are easy to re-attach,
but require some tweaking to get set up right each time you do it. Takes a
couple trips around the block and some experience to do this. With practice,
maybe a half hours time. Better by far to have a dedicated sidecar bike. 

>Any idea how much something like that would cost?
>

Brand new, $2,000 plus or minus a couple hundred. Used, $700-1,000 if you're
patient and keep your eyes open.

>Any other mods that the bike needs to handle the extra stresses?
>

Heavier fork springs and maybe shocks. Depends on how much performance you
want, handling wise. Properly set up sidehacks have square profile auto type
tires (they don't lean) and leading link front ends. Can get very expensive.

>Just how difficult is it to do little things like steer and brake?
>

You drive a sidecar much like a car. Turn the front wheel in direction of the
turn. I've not driven one with a sidecar brake, so mine have tended to pull
left when braking and right when accelerating, due to the inertia of the hack.
These tendencies can be used to help make turns. A couple cinder blocks in 
the car make it much nicer to drive when running without a passenger. Also
it's helpful with a light car to hang your ass off like riding a 3 wheeled ATV.

>Where can I go for more info so I can quit botherin' you guys?

Rider magazine usually has an ad in the back for a national sidecar
association. Also some ads for hacks.

Jeff Achenbach
achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Leaning into it and DoD weenies
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 01:56:01 GMT

First the DoD, to get that out of the way. Since none of the hyenas
who claim to have a DoD number will tell me what DoD is, I guess I'll
pass on it for both our sakes. I quit playing the "giggle behind your
hand at the outsider" game about 25 years or so ago, so I don't think
I'd fit in too well. Wouldn't be able to keep such a dire earthshaking
secret, don't you know.

Today I rode 140 miles. Not far, except for those of you in the Bay Area
this was the infamous San Jose over Mount Hamilton down to Livermore
over to Lyon's Pub in Dublin and back to San Jose. This is only my third
week going from a Honda Elite 150 scooter straight to a Maxim 650, and
I wanted to get some practice on the bigger bike in the twisties.

I had one recurring problem that I almost mastered today during 70 solid
miles of non-stop twisties and switchbacks. I would countersteer and
lean into a turn, and suddenly my lean would stop. I would be going high
on the curve (which is very disconcerting on the edge of soft-shouldered
no-guard-rail cliffside Mt. Hamilton Road), and I would simply not be
able to lean any further. I finally found that in every case I was very
tense and was resting considerable weight forward on my hands. The way
I was able to do smoother leans, much lower leans, and lean even further
when I had misjudged was to relax and settle my weight back in the seat
and on the bike. Looking through curves to my eventual line also helped
a lot, as did late-apex turning to give me more confidence that no cages
were careening around to meet me.

Of course, the moment I had all this down cold (for that moment, anyway)
was the curve where I dragged a peg. But this time it didn't flip me out
at all and I just sat the bike up about an extra inch and compensated
without even thinking about it. I'm getting there.

For those of you who will be doing this run sometime soon, be advised that
the 50 mile run from the top of Mt. Hamilton to Livermore has an awful
lot of "invisible" tiny gravel. Going up Mt. Hamilton from San Jose there
were the usual fist-sized rocks and occasional tree branches, but down
the other side there were many times when I slipped the rear tire
6-12 inches without ever seeing anything; just felt it. The 9 mile
stretch of single-lane road with two-way traffic was especially nasty for
this; I had no confidence to really lean it hard at all.

Looking forward to the MSF course beginning Thursday; should be fun and
hopefully I'll gain some more skills to speed my lea(r)ning curve.
-- 
Curtis Jackson		cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	(415) 962 4905
Adobe Systems, 1585 Charleston Rd., POB 7900, Mountain View, CA 94039-7900
  "They that can give up an essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
   safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1759)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cel@nsscmail.att.com (clayton EDward LEIHY iii)
Subject: Re: Make Your Own (was: Re: Electric Vests)
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Organization: NCR Systems Support Center - New Jersey
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:55:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.225106.11309@nsscmail.att.com> cel@nsscmail.att.com I
(clayton EDward LEIHY iii) wrote:
>In article <1992Sep30.094704.25221@hemlock.cray.com> ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones) writes:
>
>>Does anyone on the net have any good/bad info about particular makes of 
>>electric vests - Widder, Eclipse, BMW (or others) ?
>
>If you're handy with such things, the latest issue (October??) of
>ROAD RIDER magazine (put out by the Gold Wing Road Riders of America)

This is a definite error of attribution.

The proper name of this publication is WING WORLD, as all GWRRA members
should know...

ROAD RIDER??  Where did I come up with _that_ name??

Sorry for the double posting...
From: dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel and Riding
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Date: 4 Oct 1992 20:13:10 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62003.student.cwru.edu

In article <1992Oct2.154058.602@halfdome.sf.ca.us>, bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us
(bob pasker) wrote:
> 
> 
> one item which i have found to reduce vibration in the handlebars is
> called a "Bar Snake." (tm)
> 

I've got one of these in the bars on my bike too, and while they did help
some, I wasn't all that impressed. YMMV
> 
> -- 
> -- bob pasker
> -- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
> --

| Dean Cookson / dbc@po.cwru.edu / 216 754-1834 | DoD #207  AMA #573534|
| Case Western Reserve U. Computer E. and Sci.  | KotNML  /  KotB      |
| "You can lead the house to order, but you     | '81 CB750C           |
| can't make it think"  -William Weld (Gov. Ma.)| '88 Bianchi Limited  |
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: passing on the right (was: Stupid BIKE
Date: 28 Sep 1992 19:33:37 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article jfh@netcom.com, jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>In article <1a7228INNhqh@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>>
>>It is stupid, it is unsafe, and it is dangerous, but it is legal.
>
>When stupid and unsafe come into play, there's that catch-all, reckless
>driving. 

When the driving conforms the the Vehicle Code, it is, by definition,
not reckless.  (Does that make it reckful?)  It can still be stupid and
unsafe.

When I was a kid, I never could figure out why "reckless" driving was a
bad thing.  I you drive and don't wreck, that's good, isn't it?

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: DoD music . . .
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:11:20 GMT
 <4017@cvbnetPrime.COM> <1992Oct5.193950.19311@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Organization: MSUS

In article <1992Oct5.193950.19311@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
rroberts@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ross Allan Roberts) wrote:
> 
> >Sorry Pooder but when I think of the DoD what comes to mind is something like 
> >"No way to delay that trouble comin' every day" by Frank Zappa on the Mothers
> >first album.
> 

naaa, you gotta have a country sound.  How about that famous tune
"Take Yer Tongue Otta My Mouth Cause Ahm Kissin You Goodbye."
From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: I won? (NOT!)
Keywords: cager,asshole
Date: 4 Oct 92 18:41:14 GMT
Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Organization: Columbia University


	Well, it happened...

	Driving on Broadway (here in New York) in left lane of two lanes, on
the left side of my lane (to avoid buses pulling from the right lane). Coming
up to a cross street when the car in front of me (also in left lane, but kind
of on top of the lane markers) decides he wants to turn left.

	So he does. Just turns left and stops when he sees me (i.e. right in
front of me!). I hit the front brakes as hard as I dared, locked up the back
brake and watched myself slide right into him.

	The only good thing is that I did *much* more damage to him than he
did to me. I didn't even drop the bike (I inserted my highway bar into his
body panel, and when I jumped off the bike it just stayed standing there!).
I leap off the bike screaming obscenities under my helmet, at which point
the guy gets out of his Lincoln and says, "Come on, buddy, this is New York!"
I almost kicked in his back door at that point, but decided that would be a
bad idea.

	The bad news is I'm told (please tell me if I'm wrong) that because
I hit him from behind it will be called my fault. This sucks as we called the
cops and it's going to go to my insurance company who will raise my rates
but won't pay for the damage I did to his car. All I did to my bike was
crunch one crash bar and highway peg.

	Overall observations:
	- "I had to dump the bike to avoid a wreck" is bullshit. If I hadn't
		gotten on the brakes hard and long I would have hit the guy
		going a lot faster, and hurt myself.
	- I know they can cause bikes to cartwheel on high speed low-sides, but
		in this case crash bars/case guards saved my leg from *CRUNCH*.

	I don't know if I should have been in the right side of my lane... I've
come close to getting hammered by buses or cars avoiding buses there before, so
I had started using the left side of the lane when in the left lane. 
Who knows......

	Despite the insurance bummers, though, I figure for an accident between
me and a Lincoln Continental, not hurting my bike, myself, or even dropping the
bike isn't that bad.... still don't feel too triumphant, though

-------
Not bored, pissed. Word to wise (from the dumb):  CU Econ Dept. *SUCKS SHIT*
Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.|
'79 Yamaha XS750F -- '85 Toyota 4Runner -- Perception Corisca  |    NYC, NY.|
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: What's DoD?  Read Me
Followup-To: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org
Organization: Why do you suspect that?
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 00:47:04 GMT

Did you ever want to ask what is DoD, but you were afraid to ask?
Here's as complete a list of "what's it?" as I've been able to compile.


Charlie Smith   csmith@dsac.dla.mil  charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers 411, BK Ohio V
BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff
            {  Friends don't let friends ride Japanese bikes  }
...........................................................................
LIST FOLLOWS:

Damage on Demand
Damaged on Delivery
Damnation of Dashboards
Dances on Doomsday
Dancing Orangutan Department
Darkness over Dakota
Darlings of Democracy
Dawn of Destruction
Debauchers of Debbies
Decadents of Debt
Decades of Dissolution
Delineators of Debauchery
Demigods of Derision
Denomination of Deodorants
Department of Defense
Depot of Debauchary
Deranged or Deprived
Deserving of Desert 
Detestors of Drivers
Dicks of Delight
Diffuse of Dignity
Dimension of Dimples
Direct order Dinnerware
Dispensers of Drivel
Displayers of Dementia
Don't Own Disk
Donuts over Dongs
Doppler on Drugs
Dramatic Or' D'oeuvre
Drooling on Dresses
Drug over-Dose
Drunk or Disorderly
Dukes of Duct-tape
Dumb Old Dunderheads

So there!
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