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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:46:36 EST
From: <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: AMOS (was: Programming)
Distribution: world
 <92321.092123DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> <mwm.2olh@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us>

In article <mwm.2olh@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us>, mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us
(Mike Meyer) says:

>In <92321.092123DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu>, <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> wrote:
>> In article <mwm.2nuv@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us>, mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us
>> (Mike Meyer) says:
>>
>Sigh. Ok, you who know so much - when is the new hardware manual
>coming out? And why are the folks at commodore.com so busy defending
>not releasing them?

Most likely the folks at C= know more about future chip development
than we do. It seems to me that AA was more of a "quick fix" than
a long-term solution, and if that's the case, there's little point in
documenting it (although the alternative OS crowd is a bit peeved).

>> By the way, WHAT "serious" applications do you use your Amiga for?

>I guess you've given up on defending AMOS (wise move on your part),
>and are now switching to personal attacks. Oh well; that's part of the
>fun.

It wouldn't be so darn temping if your commentary wasn't so caustic.

>What's this have to do with anything? I can't recognize misbehaving
>programs unless I've written programs? Or maybe it's that you don't
>think anyone should be allowed to criticise ill-behaved programs
>unless they've written something?

Not at all.

>> You must consider yourself an expert, since you are so quick
>> to criticise everyone.

>No; I only criticise packages that are misbehaved and idiots like you.
>Fortunately, the latter category is very small.

And langauges ('C'=giggle) and other things I've forgotten. I guess the
reason I asked was that you seemed (at times) to take on an air of
superiority. It is logical to ask therefore whether you are indeed
superior. :-)

>> Why? Because Intuition does not support AMOS. Have you noticed that ALL
>> the good Amiga games take over the display?

>No, I haven't noticed that at all. What I've noticed is that most of
>the ones that don't work properly took over the display. Of course, I
True.
>don't consider pretty pictures and fast-moving objects to be the sole
>judge of game quality; things like playability are also important. The
>best games rank high on playability; almost none of them take over the
>display. Most of the ones that do probably had a good reason to.

Well, clearly you don't define "best games" by "most popular". I hope
you don't mean "the games I like" when you say "best games"...that would
be a bit dishonest.

>> Enough ranting for now...

>Oh well, at least you know what you're doing.

Yes I do. Do you? ;-)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: clldomps@cs.ruu.nl (Louis van Dompselaar)
Subject: Request useless information...
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:49:36 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science

So, I'd like to know something totally irrelevant:

What's the plural of Amiga?

It's probably easy for anyone speaking Spanish out there...

Thanks,
Louis
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.programmer,rec.games.pinball
From: earl@rtsg.mot.com (Brent R. Earl)
Subject: 6502 assembler/disassembler for amiga?
Summary: Want (need) to hack my roms
Keywords: 6502 amiga pinball
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:24:29 GMT

I have recently acquired a pinball machine, and am working on building
my eprom burner.  The machine uses the rockwell 6502 processor so I am
looking for any sort of 6502 assembler/disassembler for my commodore
amiga.

(I have a 1987 Gottlieb Arena.  I would like to hack in a free play mode,
 change the match feature to work when the game is in extra play mode,
 etc.)

I also have a commodore 64, so I could probably use that, or a c64
emulator to run that sort of software on my system.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: Todd_Lewis@unc.edu (Todd M. Lewis)
Subject: Re: Looking for a good text formatter
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:25:06 GMT

In article <mwm.2pcb@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us> mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us  
(Mike Meyer) writes:
>Yes, you've got it exactly right. QuickWrite on the daisy-wheel
>doesn't do italics (unless you have the italics wheel in; in which
>case everything is italics). If you use oddball characters and your
>printer doesn't have them, you get something else. It uses the
>printers fonts, and won't print anything that isn't in them (unless
>the printer driver can build them via overstrikes).

Will it do 10- 12- and 15-chars per inch correctly?  At 6 and 8 lines per
inch?  I've spent more time than I care to admit trying to get ProWrite
to produce decent listings of C source code for a user group meeting
and, well, you just hold your nose and print.  ProWrite has this thing
about spacing things badly on the printer so it matches what's on the
screen. It can't do any printer fonts correctly at anything other
than 10cpi. 10cpi C source doesn't often fit on 8.5 inch paper. 

>I paid $38 for QuickWrite at my local Amiga dealer.

Oh, for a local Amiga dealer.  I've heard of them.  They ride Unicorns
to work and dye eggs in the back of a big red sleigh....
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From: 2ftqkiln@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: A4000 Winner?
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:45:10 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Who won the A4000 in the '4000 Reasons to own an Amiga' contest?

We MUST know!:) 

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.introduction,comp.sys.amiga.games
From: kihlberg@vipunen.hut.fi (Olli Kihlberg)
Subject: Re: Pound sign (was Re: The A1200 is an CBM upgrade module!)
Reply-To: kihlberg@vipunen.hut.fi (Olli Kihlberg)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:59:53 GMT

In article <mwm.2mwz@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us> mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us (Mike Meyer) writes:
>Any reasonable text editor should handle the eight-bit characters
>on-screen (mg certainly does).

MG (3beta4, a great editor, I wonder if there is a newer version?)
certainly handles eight-bit characters *on-screen*, but it chokes on
them in region commands (kill-region C-W and yank C-Y).

I didn't find the reason for that from the source. Has anybody any
ideas how to fix it to be "8-bit clean"?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: MOD21325@ipc1.rrzn.uni-hannover.de (Carsten Kemper, Modula)
Subject: Re:  v92i011: Enforcer V37.25, A tool to watch for
Reply-To: C.Kemper@A-Link-H.comlink.de
Organization: RVS, Universitaet Hannover, Germany
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:24:25 GMT



Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: lee@rose.brandeis.edu (charles lee)
Subject: 040 utilities..
Keywords: 68040
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 10:02:58 GMT

I'm about to pic up a PP&S 040 for the A3000 and I'm wondering what FTP
sites have any 040 utilities. I've checked wuarchive, but didn't
find anything...
-
Pointers, anyone?
From: ESRLPDI@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Ivan Ivanick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Commodore's Second Quarter Results
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:22:25 GMT

In article <Bxy4w3.BE4@news.iastate.edu>, on 19 Nov 1992 04:38:26 GMT,
barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>
>   In other words, Commodore's total abandonment of the U.S. market is
>coming back to haunt them, as the U.S. economy is now showing the strongest
>growth of the industrialized nations.  Since Commodore has abdanoned the
>U.S., they cannot benefit from this U.S. economic growth, and are stuck
>until Europe emerges from its recession.  Yes, I get the picture.
>
>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>--------------------------------------------------
>
 Ah!  This explains all those Berlitz German language books the guys
 at Creative Computers were reading...  better get your bags packed
 Mark... what are the CBM folks gonna do without you?

Ivan Ivanick     esrlpdi@mvs.oac.ucla.edu
Whore For Merchandise / Mediasink Productions
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Date: 17 Nov 1992 10:00:08 -0500
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Pomona, NJ
Distribution: world
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thom@cs.mun.ca (Thomas Clancy) writes:

>While I don't condone piracy, I do believe that some of the points
>that the original poster had in favor of Piracy are valid, as are some
>of the anti-piracy arguments. Morally, piracy is probably wrong, but 
>then "morals" are all relevent to something else.

  "probably wrong"?  Sure sounds to me like you don't have the ability to 
make up your own mind.  

  When you get right down to it, piracy violates copyright law, end of 
subject.  Anything that tries to validate breaking the law is a pathetic
attempt at rationalization.

  -jack-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: clueless@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons)
Subject: Re: Demo Scene
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:52:14 GMT
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From: eachus@Dr_No.mitre.org (Robert I. Eachus)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,uk.misc
Subject: Re: OED on CDROM
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:39:28 GMT
	<1992Nov11.151844.6718@dcs.warwick.ac.uk>
	<1992Nov11.161603.7145@city.cs> <sb380.721559056@KingsX>
Organization: The Mitre Corp., Bedford, MA.

In article <sb380.721559056@KingsX> sb380@city.ac.uk (HOLT A D) writes:

   From the point of view of a commercial data, it is unlikely 
   that any other platform (than Windows, Mac, Unix, and possibly 
   OS/2 and NT) would have sufficient sales to justify their
   development effort - even the Unix version may be questionable
   in this sense (except that OUP use SUN)

   Two points: First, I have had great luck with taking Unix software
and recompiling for the Amiga and running--I often spend more time
looking for things to change than changing things.  Presumably, if
they are marketing for Unix (instead of just Sun SPARC), they will
need to deliver source or some mythical ANDF, so a homebrew Amiga port
is not out of the question.

    Second, the size of the potential market is determined by both the
number of available machines and the percentage of machine owners who
will buy.  If the OED software for the Amiga is well written, it might
enjoy a MUCH larger market than an MS-DOS version that is impossible
to configure as a TSR.

    (Ob disclaimer: I don't know anything about the MS-DOS version,
the TSR is an example not a statement of fact, got it?)


					Robert I. Eachus

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: dkm@col.hp.com (Dave K. Martin)
Subject: Re: Amiga <=> IBM filesystem?
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:27:22 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

You can find TWIN EXPRESS (twin21.lha?) on wuarchive.  This allows two 
Amigas, two PC's or an Amiga and a PC to move/copy files across a null-modem
cable at up to 115200 bps (Amiga-Amiga can go faster).  I've used it to move
files between my A2000 and the XT Bridgeboard as it supports multiple file 
copies and is faster than AREAD/AWRITE.  Several people have complained that 
the software is buggy but so far, I haven't had any problems with it.

Dave Martin - dkm@col.hp.com
From: bombadil@diku.dk (Kristian Nielsen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: XPK/XFH <==> GNUEmacs problems
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:13:59 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

gunnarr@ifi.uio.no (Gunnar R|nning) writes:

>The xpk/xfh package works fine for me,except when I use with GNUEmacs ;-(
>Emacs reads xpk (NUKE) compressed files without problems,but it won't
>save the buffer back to the file.It just creates an empty file...
>I get an error message from Emacs sounding something like this :

>cannot open file/directory  <filename>

Two possibilities come to mind:

 1) Emacs is trying to open the file as MODE_READWRITE (ie. it first
creates a new empty file, closes it, then appends stuff to it). XFH does
not support this (yet?) for autocompression.

 2) Emacs depends on some of the new 2.0 packets that are unsupported.

Perhaps someone could try emacs with MSH 1.30? This could rule out 2).
And maybe SnoopDos could show whether 1) is the problem.

	- Kristian (author of XFH:).
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Vhat?  No flickerfixer in A4k?  Vhat ees thees?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:13:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.140137.17057@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>Marc, if you don't believe me, please feel free to come on down and see it in
>action. 

   Are you willing to give me transportation and pay for gas?  I would kind
of like to see an A4000 at least once.  But there are no Amiga dealers 
within 150 miles of Ames that have the A4000.  Commodore's "Campus Amiga
dealer" for the ISU campus is both 40 miles off-campus and no longer stocks
Commodore products.  The closest ones are 150 miles east and 150 miles
west, and I refuse to go out of my way to at enormous costs to me in time
and money just to see a piece of plastic, silicon, and metal.

>Don't make the mistake of trying to tell me what the A4000 and A3000 can
>or cannot do based on what you have heard. 

   My perceptions of the A3000 come from extensive personal experience. 
It is just the A4000 that I have not used, and have no real desire to
use.  The A4000 is the first Amiga that I have no desire whatsoever to
own.  If somebody gave me one, I'd sell it for the down-payment on a car.

>Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu

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Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:54:25 -0500 
From: Michael Witbrock <mjw+@cs.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Weak-mindedness & piracy & drugs (oh boy) (LONG)
	<Bxv9z6.I5D@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.amiga.misc: 17-Nov-92 Weak-mindedness &
piracy & .. Sam Hulick@yankton.ucs.i (7449)

Did you know caffeine does significantly more damage to the body than LSD?

Nobody, and least of all you, knows whether this is true or not. If you
meant to say that the dangers of unadulterated, low-dose LSD are widely
overrated, why don't you just make that claim instead? Far too much
raving by far on this newsgroup.

Hmmm this is all a bit irrelevant. Time to contrive a connection: Not
having had the opportunity (or in fact the inclination) to try both, I
wonder whether someone more widely experienced would like to speculate
on whether an A4000 provides a psychedelic experience that is an
adequate substitute for that produced by lysergide?

well, it would make a change from the current topic

michael (who would like to encourage all persons of good conscience to
consider refraining from having anything whatsoever to do with the state
of Colorado [ref prop. 2]).
From: dolittle@halmuc.muc.sub.org (Ludwig Hurt)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 11:33:18 +0200
Organization: HAL (ECG089)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Distribution: world
Subject: Word Worth 2
X-Newsreader: Ann 0.9

Hi there,

I read currently a lot about Word Worth 2. Since I even don't know
version 1, I would be glad if someone could satisfy my curiousity and
post or mail me what Word Worth 2 is able of.
The main Question is, is WW2 able to handle footnotes?

Thanks in advance

Ludwig


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From: schaefer@disun20.epfl.ch (Marc Schaefer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.introduction
Subject: Re: Looking for print utility that pauses for single sheet feed
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:36:13 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

In article <1992Nov20.134839.14798@informatik.uni-bremen.de>, algo3b@p114.informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE (Olaf Peters) writes:

: Perhaps you should take a look at APrf V2.0x as written by Denis Gounelle.
: I think it's the best ASCII-printing tool available via FTP.
: I cannot asure that it handles your problem correctly, 'cause I'm not
: using a single sheet feeder.
: 
: You should find the lastest version on the mirror of the aminet-site in


Gounelle's official FTP site is litamiga.epfl.ch. Latest versions of all
his programs are in /pub/amiga/gounelle. They are also requestable by
public UUCP from alphanet.ch, or via BMS.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Programming
From: <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:21:22 EST
Organization: Penn State University

In article <mwm.2nmz@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us>, mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us
(Mike Meyer) says:

>> AMOS that WILL let you do everything on the workbench if you want, instead
>> of forcing you to use your own private screen.

>Like I said - the problem is the package, not the language. It'd be
>nice if they fixed it.

No it would not be nice! Let me ask you, what is the point of making a new
programming package with the same limitations as the previous (e.g.
AmigaBasic)? Well, none. Gee, I guess the point is that AMOS let's you do
things easily that are -impossible- normally. But since it doesn't do
EVERYTHING under the sun, it's no good. Couldn't use more than one
programming language. Oh no!

>This is a good reason NOT to start with AMOS, especially since there
>are alternatives that are easier to use, and are system-compliant; at
>least for most things.

First of all, do you know -any- beginning programmer who's first
inspiration is to produce some kind of system-compliant GUI thing?
Hell no. They bought an Amiga for its custom chips and want to make it
work for them. Besides, programming GUIs is boring as anything; why
would a recreational programmer want to do it? Just so he can have
the approval of stuffy people like you? Hehe.

>"Doing it a little differently" means "it looks like it's not
>multitasking, and it screws up other programs, and it confuses
>people." That's more than I can say about most programs.

What can I say, you are easily confused. :-)

>It also appears to steal keyboard input, and disable certain intuition
>calls (or at least cause them not to happen). This means that hotkey
>commodites in general don't work. Of course, given the general
>behavior of AMOS, it could be some other obscure thing it's doing
>wrong. While these things aren't a problem per se, such behavior is a
>bug in anything but a game (and in most of those).
                             
Just adds to your credibility. :-)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: pooler@evers.cs.rpi.edu (Robert Poole)
Subject: How do you get it to run? (was: Re: populous ii)
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: comp
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:41:12 GMT


I've had a devil of a time with Populous II on my Amiga 3000.  I bought it
back when I owned a 500, then sold off my 500 and bought a 3000.  I bought
the game in part because Bullfrog made it HD installable, and I wanted to
support them in their efforts.  Unfortunately, on an Amiga 3000, there seems
to be a serious glitch in Populous II which makes it nearly unplayable.  It
seems that, while Populous II multitasks correctly (this is a GOOD thing), it
does not use a standard intuition screen (which is BAD).  And when you get
hot and heavy into the middle of a game, often the program will start flipping
two completely dissimilar screens back and forth rapidly.  Near as I can
figure, mouse clicks on the Populous II screen are "ghosted" through to the
Workbench screen, which can launch other programs, open windows, create
general havoc, etc.

Does anyone have a patch to make Pop II work on a 3000, or is it hopeless?
It's a shame that such a good game fails on an '030 machine...

Rob Poole
pooler@rpi.edu
pooler@cs.rpi.edu
From: Paul_Wolodko@tvbbs.wimsey.bc.ca (Paul Wolodko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Unique ID of a File?
Distribution: world
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:36:51 PST
Organization: Tunnel-Vision BBS!

        I'll make this short (not sweet but definitely short). I 
am trying to find a way to compare two files, without two copies
of the file. Confused? (Might be a tad longer than I originally
thought.) What I'm doing is packing (or archiving) away original
disks. Since almost all of these disks have copies of the
workbench files/utilities (I don't see why I would need 300+
copies of the "LoadWB" program, do you?), I would like to strip
those before I archive the entire disk's contents. To guarantee
that any programs to be "stripped" are actual copies of a
workbench original, I compare these file(s) against the workbench
original. If they are the same file, it can be safely removed.
One large drawback of this method, I must have copies of the
original workbench files handy. It would be much "nicer" if I
could somehow compute a file's ID, and compare just the IDs of
workbench original and this file. Back to my original question,
is there an algorithm that will do this for me, CRC, CheckSum?
Any gurus out there with the answer?
 

Thanks for any help, bye.

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