From: shudson@vsbbs.UUCP (Stefan Hudson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: C-NET
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:44:16 GMT
Organization: BBS

In article <Jon.03i2@psgi.UUCP>, Jon@psgi.UUCP (Jon Witner) writes:

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I can't dispute a number of your claims (Not that I agree, I just don't know),
but there are some that are not entirely accurate.
    
> You 
> crippled your door programmers with that god-awful so-called 'C' interface.

I program PFiles in C, and don't see what is wrong. One of the good things is
that there isn't much of an interface, so you can get some decent speed.
Occasionally he does things that make my code incompatable, so I change it,
but no complaints. I consider this to be the price of using the power of C.
The ARexx stuff has remained pretty compatable all along. (Although changing
the colors in 2.0 was STUPID!)

> Most of the stuff you write is ideas from
> your users, so dont give me that holier-than-thou attitude.  

I don't see what the problem with this is... His users run many differant
kinds of setups, much more than he could do by himself on Future World. This
is much preferable to not taking any input from users, and going with what he
thinks is right. This results in a new version every week or so, but it is an
option to go with it or not... I tend to stay a few versions behind, and
upgrade once a month or so.

> The whole
> message structure of Cnet is from the Apple version of T-Net, or doesnt that
> count since you ripped it a long time ago?

The message structure was due to the limited number of files that could be
kept on C=64 disks... it may be similar to apple programs, but I belive they
had the same limitations. How many IBM BBSs use that hidious 'thread' system?
Does this mean that they all copied from each other?

> Or how about Skypix code? 

What skypix code? All it does is display SkyPix commands, the user's terminal
does all the work. And SkyPix is dead, in any case.

> Or how
> about the ARexx interface, another Skyline rip, it even says it your manual.
> Can we say "Skyline" rip off?

The manual does not say that he took the _code_ from skyline, it says he uses
the same _COMMANDS_ (with extensions), to give compatability with SkyPix
Pfiles. I don't think this is bad, it would be nice if doors would work on
more than one system, like IBM doors do.

> I tell you, that "xx"
> file for the XPR's is a perfect example of your work.  Can we say 100%
> residentable code Ken?  

I may be wrong on this one, but I thought this was because XPR libraries are
not all residentable. 

> Or how about the shell?  You just took it and cut &
> pasted it, the damn thing doesnt even work like a shell.

What do you mean? It seems to work like a shell for me! The only thing it
can't do is previous commands, and this is because he filters the ESC from
input.

> EXCELSIOR! is 1000% better written, it is
> designed for someone who likes CNet, agreed, but a rip?  I doubt it.  

He liked the way another system did messages, and conferance, so he made his
similar, and that _was_ a rip? I don't understand...

You have made some interesting points, and I must agree that some are correct
(I saw the copyright notice in the AUX handler, and that C does look awfully
familier, I wish he'd use an app-icon under 2.0). Even if he did 'borrow' some
stuff, most of it is his, and I still think it is one of the best systems
available.

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