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From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: The Cos on skids, and the Snow Problem problem
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:39:31 GMT

batie@agora.rain.com (Alan Batie) writes:

>allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:
>>Additionally, there is NO salt used at all on the roadways, just sand 

>Thank goodness!  My car is 8 years old now, with 178K miles on it and
>going strong.  If they salted the roads here like they do in the east,
>I would've been forced to buy a new car by now, and I've got lots better
>things to do with my money.

"Thank goodnes!" is right!  I didn't mean to say that I was remotely 
in favor of the salt.  I'm VERY, VERY glad they don't salt around here.
When we first moved to Oregon, we had a 1984 Toyota Celica with 150k
miles on it, with most of those miles put on by my father-in-law in
his Sales job in the Boston, MA area.  When I took it through DEQ, the
techs were just shaking their heads when they read the exhaust results.
They said that the car tested out like it was brand new, even though
the body was simply rusting away.  We traded the car in two months
later because, basically, the rust was like a cancer gone rampant.

allen
From: das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Who Calls The Shots at Powell's Technical Bookstore
Date: 22 Dec 92 22:21:41 GMT
Organization: Yet Another Graphics Project, Bellevue, WA

In article <6NZ7VB4w165w@jaiser.pail.com> jerryg@jaiser.pail.com (Jerry Gaiser) writes:
>
>It's good to see the Fup the store cat is still around. I haven't been into
>their new building, but at their old address she/he used to wander the store
>and sit on the window sills and watch the world go by. Cute kitty.
>
When I was down there about a year ago Fup was sitting on top of one of those
15+ foot bookcases, calmly surveying his/her realm.  

In Seattle, there's a used bookstore in the U district called Beauty and the
Books that has 4 black and white store cats.  They sell a great t-shirt with
the cats on it.

My favorite store cat, however, is the cat that lives in a certain antique
store in Tacoma.  I watched this cat calmly wander over to a Victorian 
sofa (which was not in great shape to begin with), stretch, then proceed to
sharpen its claws on the side. 

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From: mikel@networx.com (Mike Lempriere)
Subject: WANTED: Your old 16550 UART
Summary: WANTED: Your old 16550 UART
Keywords: WANTED: Your old 16550 UART
Organization: NetWorx
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:30:41 GMT

I'm building a TDD (Telecommunications Device for the Deaf) modem for
my IBM PC.  I can't use the normal COM ports because TDD runs at 45.5
baud, so I have to do it myself.

From reading the PC newsgroups, a lot of people seem to be pulling out
their old 16550 UART chips to put in the buffered 16550F version.

I'm running so slow you can outtype it without even trying!  I can use
the old slow UARTs just fine.

I will meet you at the espresso stand of your choice (I work in Bellevue,
but I always want an excuse to do the U-district) at your convenience.
I don't know how much they cost new, but it's certainly worth the cost
of Grande Mocha to me.

Please respond via e-mail, to reduce bandwith -- Thanks in advance!
From: fsars@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: driving in snow (or other low traction conditions)
Date: 28 Dec 92 04:07:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: acad3.1992Dec27.200748.1
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

In article <MS-C.724922673.1103527590.mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM>, Mark Crispin <mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM> writes:
> David Barts writes:
>> so many of the Texas drivers had about driving on snow in NM (the
>> very same Texans who ten demonstrated their utter incompetence at
>> negotiating an icy, banked hairpin curve and ended up 30 feet down
>> a road embankment)
> 
> Interesting.  The last time I was in Albuquerque/Santa Fe, the car I rented
> had Texas license plates.  It was winter, there was lots of snow & ice on the
> roads, and I got to hear lots of tiresome lectures about how ``you Texas don't
> know how to drive on ice.''
> 
> Bigots is bigots.
> 

I was raised in Clovis, New Mexico.  It's about 9 miles from Texas.
When I was in High School, our civics class, when doing a mock state
legislature passes a law that would erect an 18 foot wall on the Texas
border keeping Texans out.

That part of New Mexico has about the same weather as Texas, and the
driving is usually pretty mild during the winter.  I learned a lot
when I first came up here, usually the hard way.   === Al Sparks
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From: iota@agora.rain.com (David Friedman)
Subject: Re: driving in snow (or other low traction conditions)
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 22:39:32 GMT

As a former cab driver, in New York and San Francisco, I'm hear
to tell you how to drive in snow and ice:

	Use your head.

It's very simple to drive in bad weather, just use your heads.  Seattle
drivers don't even know how to drive in the rain!  Turn on your lights, 
drive five or ten miles an hour slower and leave lots of room between cars.
And check to see how the traction is by occassionally using your brakes.
It's just that simple.


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From: andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Tax the rich!
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:26:03 GMT
Reply-To: andrew@frip.wv.tek.com
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Tektronix Color Printers, Wilsonville, Oregon

[]

	"eliminating Social Security Benefits for just one year would
	completely pay for the deficit."

Yes, but those benefits are paid completely out of FICA payroll taxes,
i.e., taxes that -- in theory -- are earmarked to pay these benefits.

If the feds did their accounting honestly, the Social Security income
and payments would be on a separate budget and wouldn't be part of this
discussion.

  -=- Andrew Klossner  (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
                       (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew)
From: tkpowell@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Terry Powell)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: driving in snow (or other low traction conditions)
Date: 22 Dec 92 23:13:06 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

In article <BzFCBs.GLI@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> randall@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Zaphod Beeblebrox) writes:
->Ok, we all have different thoughts on this subject. Here's what I have
->found. Each car handles differently. There are major differences between
->front and rear wheel drive vehicles. BUT, there is also weight distribution,
->center of gravity, vehicle weight etc that affect it's handling. Take my car
->for instance. `89 Honda Accord Lxi, front wheel drive, fuel-injected. It was
->my first Front-WD car, so I took it down to Portland International Raceway
->for a Race Driver Training class through a Racing Club. It was REALLY
->enlightening. I found that in MY car I steer into a skid (standard for
->front-wheel drive), but I needed to let off the gas (Non-typical for
->front-wheel drive!). Some cars have understeer, (the front slides farther
->than the rear in a skid, lessening the effect of steering), and others have
->oversteer (the rear wants to slide past the front, typical of *many* rear
->wheel drive cars). There is no point in arguing about right and wrong. If
->you find what works for *your* car, practice enough to make it habit. I also
->recommend professional training. Contact your local Race Track and ask for
->the number of any clubs. Most have some training program, and many don't
->mind having people come through for personal awareness reasons (as I did).


Isn't the net great.  One question about driving on I5 and a hoard of Mario
Andrettis pour out of the woodwork.  Hey, I'm no different.  Here's my .02
worth.

Most FWD cars understeer or plow when you hit a corner too fast be it
dry,wet or icy.  Letting up on the gas corrects this problem, ususally. 
This is good because thats your average person's normal reaction.  Try
this next time its raining.  Find a nice 180 type curve, preferably one
that is a fairly constant radius.  Gradually increase your speed as you
head into it.  Keep pushing.. The front will break loose and plow.  Back
off and the front should come back in line.  You can do this in the dry
too but the speed will be greater.  A great way to check out your cars
limits.  

Lots of great advice on snow driving.  I've lived in E Wash, Idaho,
Seattle and now Portland.  IMO, knowing how to drive in the snow is great
but the best advice is to stay the hell of the roads in these metro areas
when it snows.  Take the bus.  If you have to drive, get studded snow
tires all the way around.  Carry chains.  The best snow driver in the
world can't climb a hill if there is a line of stuck cars on it.  

Merry Xmas		

--Terry

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From: sjm2458@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Steve McCarthy)
Subject: Weather on I-5? (skid control)
Organization: None to my knowledge
Distribution: pnw
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:50:18 GMT

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From: mikeq@freddy.CNA.TEK.COM (Mike Quigley)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Tax the rich!
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:41:19 GMT
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

>	"eliminating Social Security Benefits for just one year would
>	completely pay for the deficit."
>
>Yes, but those benefits are paid completely out of FICA payroll taxes,
>i.e., taxes that -- in theory -- are earmarked to pay these benefits.
>
>If the feds did their accounting honestly, the Social Security income
>and payments would be on a separate budget and wouldn't be part of this
>discussion.

Town Hall had a discussion on SS the other night. One critic said that
the SS ``trust'' fund is completely gone. Empty! Kaput! Drained! The SS drone
just looked sheepish and said something to the effect that congress
will always come to the rescue of the SS system.

Within 15 years, it will take two working people to support every person
on SS.

If you're under 50, may as well kiss-off SS, unless you actually DO trust your
government!

Mike

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From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Tax the rich!
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Distribution: pnw
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:55:01 GMT

charlesw@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Charles Wilson) writes:

>In article <1533@nazgul.UUCP> bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright) writes:
>>According to Prof. Walter Williams on the National Business Report, the
>>aggregate income of all Americans earning over $200,000 per year is
>>$209 billion. Therefore, if you simply confiscated *all* the income of
>>the rich, we would not eliminate the deficit, which some projections
>>estimate at $400 billion next year.

>Nor would eliminating the ENTIRE defense budget for a year.  BUT,
>eliminating Social Security Benefits for just one year would completely
>pay for the deficit.  Interesting...

Even more interesting . . . the federal government adds in the present
Social Security surplus monies when it computes the deficit, otherwise
the defecit would be much higher.  Economists are worrying now about
when people of President-elect Clinton's age get to retirement (read
Social Security eligibility) age and how the current surplus will most
*likely* become a deficit.

allen
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From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: driving in snow (or other low traction conditions)
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 07:09:56 GMT

zakons@halcyon.com (Scott Allan Zakon) writes:

>Hear, hear!  Finally someone laid it on the line.  Use your head.  Why
>couldn't this have been said about thirty posts ago.  Another good idea
>is to have emergency supplies like a map, gloves, boots, a full tank of
>gas when you start your trip.  
>There's nothing that will ensue disater more than a lack of
>preparedness.
>As for the technical aspects of driving on rain, snow or ice,  CHECK
>WITH THE DEALERSHIP.  They have access to the results of hundreds of
>hours of testing with your model of car.  This BS of trying to remember
>thirty or forty rules that only peripherally relate to your car is going
>to delay a reaction or cause an incorrect reaction.


Another thing besides a map, gloves and boots:  if you're driving in
areas that are susceptible to snow and cold, pack along a blanket and
a snowmobile suit.  While growing up in the Midwest, I had a "emergency"
box that I kept in my trunk:  map, gloves, snowboots, hat, ski goggles,
snowmobile suit, blanket, flares, "C" rations, etc.  I know, it may
seem extreme to some, but it saved my butt once when I became broken
down out in the middle of nowhere at 2:00 AM on a VERY wintry, snowy
night.  I ate some of the food, set out flares, and put on all the
above-mentioned items.  When no help came after two hours of waiting,
I put on the goggles, grabbed my flashlight and walked 5 miles 'til I
got to a farmhouse.  I was lucky, since I had cold-weather gear on 
me.  I'm not saying this is needed everywhere, but in some parts
of the Northwest, it's just common sense.

allen
From: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Weather on I-5?
Date: 22 Dec 92 17:54:03 GMT
Reply-To: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Organization: Zortech, Seattle

In article <2341@shaman.wv.tek.com> andrew@frip.wv.tek.com writes:
/Stuart Lewis offers some excellent advice about driving in snow.  My
/two bits' worth:
/	"When driving in snow *always* light on the gas, light on the
/	brakes."
Another tip is to "maintain momentum". It is much easier to continue
moving than to stop and start again. This is particularly true for
stop signs and traffic lights, i.e. try not to come to a complete stop,
especially on an uphill grade.

Some other advice:
o	Replace your California slicks.
o	For rear wheel drive cars, keep the gas tank full. This adds
	extra weight over the drive wheels. Throw a couple hundred
	pounds of stuff in the trunk, too.
o	Keep a pair of boots in the car in case you have to walk!
From: mayo@pa.dec.com (Bob Mayo)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Tax the rich!
Date: 31 Dec 1992 02:00:20 GMT
Organization: DEC Western Research Lab
Distribution: pnw
NNTP-Posting-Host: mayo.pa.dec.com

In article <2399@shaman.wv.tek.com> andrew@frip.wv.tek.com writes:
>[]
>
>	'It seems to me that $1 invested in private industry will
>	improve the economy more than $1 invested in the government.
>	When I retire in the year 2025, I'd like to be able to say:
>	"because of my social security dollars, US industry is large
>	and profitable"'
>
>A private pension fund manager is required to manage the fund so as to
>preserve the pension, and is not allowed to put social engineering
>objectives over this fiduciary objective.  

...

>In fact, there really is no suitable vehicle in which to invest all
>this money.  But that's not likely to be a problem under the present
>federal policy.

The only suitable thing to do is to invest the money so that we are a
wealthy country when we retire.  After all, the value of the fund is
dependent upon the strength of whatever it is invested in.  

Here's what I was trying to say in my statement.
Our retirement depends upon having a good economy when we
retire.  We should invest in a manner that will give us a surplus of food,
a surplus of housing, cheap health care, factories that crank out
products at little cost, etc, etc..  This is the invest in private
industry scenario.  The alternative is to have a large government,
large social programs, etc..  This won't get us very far if the economy
isn't booming.  A few government programs do invest in the future:
meals for kids, education, infastructure spending.  I'm not against putting
retirement dollars into those.

With the low population growth rate we now have, the number of workers per 
retired person in the year 2025 will be much lower than now.  We need to invest
the retirement money in such a way that will make those future workers produce
more goods than they can now for the same amount of effort.  (Extreme example:
If in the future we can crank out a heart-bypass operation for the price of a 
sack of potatoes, then there will be no problem funding heart-bypass 
operations.)

--Bob
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From: batie@agora.rain.com (Alan Batie)
Newsgroups: pnw.general,seattle.general
Subject: Re: The Cos on skids, and the Snow Problem problem
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:06:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.BzoAAr.3Lp
Organization: Open Communications Forum

allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:
>Additionally, there is NO salt used at all on the roadways, just sand 

Thank goodness!  My car is 8 years old now, with 178K miles on it and
going strong.  If they salted the roads here like they do in the east,
I would've been forced to buy a new car by now, and I've got lots better
things to do with my money.
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From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Tax the rich!
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Distribution: pnw
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:27:02 GMT

mikeq@freddy.CNA.TEK.COM (Mike Quigley) writes:

>>	"eliminating Social Security Benefits for just one year would
>>	completely pay for the deficit."
>>
>>Yes, but those benefits are paid completely out of FICA payroll taxes,
>>i.e., taxes that -- in theory -- are earmarked to pay these benefits.
>>
>>If the feds did their accounting honestly, the Social Security income
>>and payments would be on a separate budget and wouldn't be part of this
>>discussion.

>Town Hall had a discussion on SS the other night. One critic said that
>the SS ``trust'' fund is completely gone. Empty! Kaput! Drained! The SS drone
>just looked sheepish and said something to the effect that congress
>will always come to the rescue of the SS system.

>Within 15 years, it will take two working people to support every person
>on SS.

>If you're under 50, may as well kiss-off SS, unless you actually DO trust your
>government!

The Social Security fund is actuall in the black these days and THAT'S why
eliminating the benefits for just one year *might* help to pay for the
defecit, if and ONLY if the funds for that year were earmarked for payment
of the defecit.

The real problem, as you alluded to, is the SS fund *possibly* running out
of bucks by the time Clinton's generation reaches retirement and SS 
eligibility age.

allen
From: ten0772@aw2.fsl.ca.boeing.com (Timothy E. Neto )
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: What does ``turn into a skid'' really mean?
Keywords: What not to do.
Date: 21 Dec 92 23:36:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: aw2.1992Dec21.233624.21483
Organization: fsl


In the following article extract Bill states:

From article <1992Dec18.021006.26784@Celestial.COM>, by bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell):
> 
> One thing that will help many people is to find a large, empty
> parking lot when it snows and play in the snow to find out what
> your car does in different conditions.
> 
> Bill
> -- 
> INTERNET:  bill@Celestial.COM   Bill Campbell; Celestial Software
> UUCP:   ...!thebes!camco!bill   6641 East Mercer Way
>              uunet!camco!bill   Mercer Island, WA 98040; (206) 947-5591
> SPEED COSTS MONEY -- HOW FAST DO YOU WANT TO GO?

Note:  I do not recommend this.  I almost received a negligent driving
       ticket once doing such.  A real addition to Bill's advice is to
       first check with the local, and state affecting laws regarding
       such activity.

                           Tim....     10

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From: bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell)
Subject: Re: The Cos on skids, and the Snow Problem problem 
Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:46:26 GMT

In <1992Dec21.200624.921@tessi.com> allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:

:pyotr@halcyon.com (Peter D. Hampe) writes:

....
:>On the "I can drive in snow" thread - I heard a statement that I
:>agree with.  Most of the people who say "I'm from BigSnowState
:>and I know how to drive in Snow" usually are missing two crucial
.....
:I will definitely agree with you on the above.  I grew up in northern
:Ohio, right on Lake Erie, so I saw quite a bit of snow during the
:winter months.
:.....
:mega amounts of salt on the roads in the Midwest and good, steep hills
:are very rare in most of the Midwest.

The salt saves a few cars from accidents in the snow while
planting time bombs in the rest.  Overall vehicles last a lot
longer where little or no salt is used on the road.

Bill
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             uunet!camco!bill   Mercer Island, WA 98040; (206) 947-5591
SPEED COSTS MONEY -- HOW FAST DO YOU WANT TO GO?
From: mayo@pa.dec.com (Bob Mayo)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Tax the rich!
Date: 29 Dec 1992 00:37:32 GMT
Organization: DEC Western Research Lab
Distribution: pnw
NNTP-Posting-Host: mayo.pa.dec.com

In article <2381@shaman.wv.tek.com> andrew@frip.wv.tek.com writes:
>[]
>
>	"Town Hall had a discussion on SS the other night. One critic
>	said that the SS ``trust'' fund is completely gone. Empty!
>	Kaput! Drained!"
>
>It's a matter of perspective.  The surplus of FICA tax income over
>entitlement outgo has been invested in Treasury bonds.  In other words,
>"loaned" to the rest of the federal government.
>

If the social security fund is to act like a pension fund, lets compare
it to a pension fund.  Say a company like GM is required to segragate
its pension funds, to ensure that the money will be there when their workers
retire.  Would it be reasonable for GM to issue specially marked bonds that
are then bought by their pension fund as an investment?  Bonds that can't
be bought and sold by anybody except the pension fund and GM?  Of course not.  
This would simply be a transfer of funds out of the pension fund into GM's
current operating budget.  They'd never get away with it.

This is exactly what the US Government is doing today with the social security
fund.

>But what else would you do?  Say you're the fund manager and you're
>sitting on 100e9 dollars for ten years.  You can't stuff
>thousand-dollar bills into your mattress -- you have to invest the
>stuff somewhere.  Treasury bonds are the "reasonably prudent"
>investment of choice here.

The US dollar is only worth what the country's economy is worth.  It seems
to me that $1 invested in private industry will improve the economy
more than $1 invested in the government.  When I retire in the year 2025,
I'd like to be able to say:

  "because of my social security dollars, US industry is large and profitable"

To me that's a lot better than saying:

  "because of my social security dollars, the US government is large and 
   has lots of programs."

I think that the social security tax should be split into two taxes:
one to fund current obligations, and another that is saved for future
obligations.  The latter tax should not go to the government.  It should go
into an IRA designated by the individual that is taxed.

--Bob
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