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From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Subject: Pens news 8/21/92
Keywords: Dave Tippet, new trainer, banners
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:03:59 GMT

(Sorry if this post appears twice.  I had trouble with the first one.)

Info just heard on KDKA Radio...

GM Craig Patrick denied rumors that 31 year old center Dave Tippett has
been signed by the Pens.  But it is believed that the Pens are interested in
signing Tippett to fill the void Bryan Trottier's departure has created.

Clark "Corky" Osborn, head trainer of the Muskegon (now Cleveland) Lumberjacks
has been hired by the Penguins to replace Skip Thayer.  Thayer resigned last
month to take a position with the Tampa Bay Lightning.  He is a long time
friend of the Esposito brothers, and in fact joined the Pens when Tony was
GM.

The Pens will raise their second set of championship banners on Oct. 8th,
which is their second home game.  The banners were scheduled to be raised
at the home opener against the Flyers on Oct. 6th, but was changed when it
was found out the date conflicted with the start of Yom Kippur.*  The Pens
play the Islanders on the 8th.

*(I don't want to seem cynical, but I think the Pens' changing this date has
more to do with selling out the Islander game than it does with Yom Kippur.  
Funny how this change was announced AFTER Bryan Trottier left, and was 
rescheduled for the very first game he would be back in town.)

Lori
Contact for the Penguins
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From: am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Bowman says No!(USA Today WAS wrong!)
Date: 15 Aug 92 20:45:27 GMT
Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Gerald Olchowy writes:

>In article <4eXFrU_00WBKE1PHJD@andrew.cmu.edu> Anna Matyas
<am2x+@andrew.cmu.ed
>u> writes:
>>
>>Everything the Penguins do seems to be screwed up from a PR standpoint.
>>I think this is another area in which they need serious improvement.
>>Of course, when rumors abound it is sometimes difficult to separate
>>fact from fiction; nevertheless, I think the organization should take
>>a look at how it handles all of its public information activities.
>>Craig Patrick is looking more and more like the bad guy; not only from
>>my personal perspective but from that of other people I've talked to.
>>I guess that goes with the territory but I can't decide if I'm being
>>fair to him in my new assessment that he's not doing a spectacular job.
>>
> 
>Point the finger where the blame is due...and that is Howard Baldwin...
 

I think there are few instances in life where ONE person is at fault
for anything.  Patrick no doubt has a budget within which to work and
he probably has some other constraints, but we don't know what they are,
and of course they come from Baldwin.

But the Penguins have had PR problems from the get-go.  The ONLY thing
that helped raise them above it was the signing of Lemieux.  This is a
city that feels very protective of Mario and if the Bowman issue has
anything to do with player problems, you can bet Mario is near the top
of that problem list.  I doubt Craig Patrick wants to add "baby-sitter"
to his already long list of duties.

By the way, I think the Penguin management has been more accessible since
Baldwin's arrival -- maybe not since the establishment of the team -- but
certainly since the DeBartolo years.  Baldwin was mired in controversy
from the start, a very unfair position for the media to put him in.  If
you think Bowman should be the coach and that he's being treated poorly,
then yes, you will point the finger at Baldwin because he's pulls Patrick's
strings (probably).  If you don't want Bowman, then it doesn't matter
that much.

People all over Pittsburgh are having big debates about who the Steelers'
starting quarterback should be -- and we all know it shouldn't be
Brister :) -- I'd like to see some Penguin coaching debates, grounded in
common sense.

It's fun food for thought.
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From: sinhaa@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Anand Sinha)
Subject: Re: nhl schedule additions
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:52:52 GMT

In article <BtC594.5q3@acsu.buffalo.edu> hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl) writes:
>Birmingham.  There will be four games played in Hamilton and
>Saskatoon, and one game in Halifax.
>
>
>The Sabres announced that they will play two games in Hamilton, one
>counted as a road game and the other as a home game.  These games
>will, I think,  be played on the 18th of November and the sixth of
>March, but I'm not positive.  The first game I think might be against
>Vancouver. (I was working on something when last night's news came on,
>so I probably am wrong.)
>
>

Yes, there will be four games in Hamilton, 2 Leaf games and 2 Sabre games.
Of course, none of them involve Montreal :-(, but Quebec, Vancouver (Hamilton
is the farm team for Vancouver), and...hmm..temporary memory loss.  I am
pretty sure the Nords play Toronto.  

There will also be 2 Sabre exhibition games in Hamilton, with Vancouver being
one of the teams involved.  Nope, still no Montreal. sigh.  Guess I gotta
make the trek to Buffalo again this year.

Anand Sinha

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From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Dave Manson for Dave Ellett??
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 15:06:11 GMT

I was reading in _INSIDE HOCKEY_ that the Leafs have been 
actively pursuing Dave Manson of the Oilers.  Edmontion is 
allegedly interested in trading him and it is indicated in the 
article(by Bob Mackenzie?) that any trade by the Leafs would 
most likely include defenseman Dave Ellett.
 
Now, I haven't watched Manson play very much, but isn't Dave 
Ellett he better player?  If a trade were to be made between 
to two teams (for those players) do you tink it would be an 
even trade?  Which team do you think would get the "larger" 
package?
 
The article also said that the Leafs are trying to sign Joe 
Mullen of Pittsburgh -- I'm looking forward to a heck of a 
year from my boys in blue!
 
Stephen Legge
<SLEGGE@kean.ucs.mun.ca>                           
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: mlindroos@abo.fi
Subject: Re: NHL in the Olympics
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 10:40:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.061732.16456@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>>>
>>>The NHL doesn't need the Olympics...did the NBA need the Olympics...
>>>does major league baseball need the Olympics...does the NFL need the
>>>Olympics...does FISA (that's the international soccer organization...
>>>isn't it?) need the Olympics...even the IAAF has set up their own
>>>track-n-field championships in odd-number years.
>>
Gerald, Gerald . . . Can't you see that international hockey is one of the
EXTREMELY few advantages the NHL has over other sports? There is the European
Economic Community - by the year 2000 we will have a common market of about 370
million people spread across 18 countries. That's over 40% more than the US and
Canada combined, most of these people have as much money to spend on sports
as the North Americans. Imagine how much stronger hockey would be if it had a
significant presence in countries like France (53M), the UK(57), Italy(55M)...
It already is very strong in smaller countries - Finland & Sweden (13M),
Switzerland (6M) and not doing too badly in Germany(80M) either. By and large,
the additional players demanded by adding the Sharks, Senators and Lightning 
come from Russia and Czechoslovakia. If the NHL is smart, they can get as many
players, extra TV money as they like - *IF* they manage to make the sport more
popular in Central Europe. That's why the NBA and NFL are so anxious to play
exhibition games or even set up new (minor-) leagues over here. Europe is the
future. That is also why the NHL -at all costs- should try to co-operate with
the IIHF and the European federations. Having an "open" Olympic hockey
tournament is one step in that direction.
---
As I have said before, the Olympics would a) put NHL players back on 
American television for two weeks b) help to settle the differences with the
Russian, Czech and Swedish federations - all mad at the NHL because of transfer
wrangles c) give the league and its players some much-needed publicity. 
That's why the NHL should -and will- send its players to the Olympics.  

> I admitted, or can't you read, that I wasn't certain of 
> FIFA's initials...thanks for correcting me...FIFA has an age limit
> for the Olympics, doesn't it...isn't it 23 years of age plus or minus
> a couple of years...and don't they do this not to undermine the
> prestige of the World Cup...so I don't know their bloody initials...

Correct, and it is encouraging to notice that more and more North Americans
are learning about this great game. Sadly, a World Cup of Hockey might not
work - if the Canada Cup is anything to go by. The game isn't popular enough 
in the States and Central Europe to get the media attention we want. The
solution is to hitch our buggy to the Olympic train and hope for the best. 
> 
> Gerald

MARCU$
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Bowman says No!(USA Today WAS wrong!)
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:58:04 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <92230.46118.J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>In fact, when the events which led up to the creation of the San Jose Sharks
>were transpiring, Baldwin was central to selling San Jose to the NHL.  As it
>turns out, he was a part of the group which started the Sharks, but he quickly
>bailed out of it, and left the Sharks to (ugh) the Gunds.

Nope, this isn't what happened.

The city of San Jose was interested in attracting an expansion NHL team.
Howard Baldwin was interested in owning an NHL team.  San Jose signed a
deal with Baldwin that he would the rights to San Jose; they wouldn't do a
deal with anybody else seeking a team (like the Tampa Bay area, which had
two competing offers).  

Then, after the NHL has announced the intent to expand, but before they've
started taking applications, the Gunds, who owned the North Stars,
announce that they want to move the North Stars to Oakland.  San Jose isn't
pleased, Baldwin isn't pleased, Minnesota isn't pleased, and the NHL isn't
pleased.  So a deal is worked out.  The Gunds will get an expansion team in
San Jose a year ahead of schedule, Baldwin will buy the North Stars, the
North Stars will stay in Minnesota, and the Gunds will get to raid the
North Stars farm system.  However, Baldwin doesn't have the financial
backing to swing it alone, so he brings in Norm Green.  Eventually, he and
Green disagree, Green buys out Baldwin, and then later, Baldwin pulls
together the financial backing to buy the Pens from DeBartolo.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: 832989@BOOTH.USASK.CA (Glenn Chin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: 1994 Olympic teams?
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:36:09 GMT

From: bui@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (BUI/DON/MR)

>Scott Lachance will be on this team.

I don't see which US defenceman LaChance can replace within the next 18 months;
perhaps Chelios.

>Guys like Weight, Donato and Donatelli are going to press for a spot too, I
>don't know about Wood or Brown.

Clark Donatelli will be about 26 by the next Winter Olympics.  He hasn't done
much in the NHL to warrant a spot on a pro US Olympic team.  Randy Wood and Doug
Brown would be checkers and penalty killers.

>...Roberts, Hawerchuk, Gilmour and Sutter will be old
>men.  Manson, Tinordi over Coffey and Bourque?  Never.

Gary Roberts, Hawerchuk, Gilmour and Brent Sutter are all younger than Bourque,
Coffey, and even Chelios.  As a checker, Sutter wouldn't be too old for the
Lillehammer Games:  check out the last three Selke Trophy winners.

>Don't forget Belfour in nets.

Belfour isn't, in my eyes, a world-class goaltender.


Glenn
Organization: Administrative Systems, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 08:33:44 -0400 
From: "James J. Murawski" <jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Neutral Site Schedule (Was: NHL to showcase game in 15...)


On 21-Aug-92 in Re: NHL to showcase game in..
user Glenn Chin@SKUL.USASK.CA writes:
>From: clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI)
>Message-ID: <hkn-scheduleU2aK910pe@clarinet.com>
>>	A total of 15 games will be played in 12 different non-NHL cities
>>across the United States, including two each in Milwaukee, Sacramento,
>>Calif., and Cleveland, and one each in Indianapolis, Phoenix, Miami,
>>Oaklahoma City, Okla., Dallas, Atlanta, Cincinnati, Providence, R.I.,
>>and Birmingham, Ala.
>>	In Canada, four games will be played in each Hamilton, Ontario, and
>>Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, and one in Halifax, Nova Scotia.
> 
>I'm surprised that Hamilton and Saskatoon are getting as many games as
they are.
>Houston and Seattle, on the other hand, aren't getting any.
> 
>Cincinnati may be an NHL expansion site soon.  The Cyclones, who played in the
>ECHL last season (IHL upcoming season), led all minor league franchises in
>attendance in 1991-92, averaging over 9,000 per game.  The absence of the NBA
>from Cincinnati was probably a factor.

According to Friday's Greensburg (PA) Tribune-Review, the neutral site games:

Tue 10/13:  Calgary vs. Minnesota @ Saskatoon
Tue 10/20:  Ottawa vs. Toronto @ Hamilton
Tue 11/03:  Chicago vs. Washington @ Indianapolis
Tue 11/17:  Toronto vs. Quebec @ Hamilton
Wed 11/18:  Buffalo vs. New Jersey @ Hamilton
Tue 12/01:  Los Angeles vs. Chicago @ Milwaukee
Tue 12/08:  Montreal vs. Los Angeles @ Phoenix
Wed 12/09:  Tampa Bay vs. New York Rangers @ Miami
Sun 12/13:  Edmonton vs. New York Islanders @ Oklahoma City
Tue 12/15:  New York Islanders vs. St. Louis @ Dallas
Tue 12/29:  St. Louis vs. Hartford @ Birmingham  **
Mon 01/04:  San Jose vs. Montreal @ Sacramento
Mon 01/18:  Hartford vs. Winnipeg @ Saskatchewan
Mon 02/08:  Boston vs. Pittsburgh @ Atlanta
Tue 02/16:  Philadelphia vs. Calgary @ Cincinnati
Sat 02/20:  Quebec vs. Tampa Bay @ Halifax
Mon 02/22:  New York Rangers vs. San Jose @ Sacramento
Mon 02/22:  Detroit vs. Philadelphia @ Cleveland
Tue 02/23:  Winnipeg vs. Ottawa @ Saskatoon
Mon 03/01:  Vancouver vs. Buffalo @ Hamilton
Thu 03/11:  Minnesota vs. Vancouver @ Saskatoon
Tue 03/16:  Washington vs. Detroit @ Milwaukee
Tue 03/16:  New Jersey vs. Boston @ Providence  **
Sun 03/21:  Pittsburgh vs. Edmonton @ Cleveland

** Location subject to change

It seems that each team is listed once on each side of the "vs." in the
schedule, so I assume that the "right" team is the "home" team in each case.

====================================================================
    Jim Murawski
    Sr. Data Base Analyst               (412) 268-2650  [office]
    Administrative Systems              (412) 268-6868  [fax]
    Carnegie Mellon University          jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu
    4910 Forbes Avenue                  Office: UCC 155
    Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890

Organization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:58:36 -0400 
From: "Derrick J. Brashear" <db74+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Any city with more leagues in it?

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.hockey: 17-Aug-92 Any city with more
leagues .. Eric Rickin@cleveland.Fr (457)

> WHA - Cleveland Crusaders (Well, the WHA is carried on in spirit by NYI
> and Quebec.  (-:)

Um, don't you mean....
WHA former teams in the NHL:
Quebec
Edmonton
Hartford
Winnipeg

-D
From: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Two NHL games set for Coliseum (Cleveland Thoughts)
Date: 21 Aug 92 23:17:27 GMT
Reply-To: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


Two NHL regular season games will be played at the Richfield Coliseum
this winter.  One will give area hockey fans a chance to see heralded
rookie ERic Lindros, and the other will showcase Mario Lemieux and the
two-time defending Stanley Cup champion Pittsburgh Penguns.

[ERic's Note.  DaMMIT!  The PEns (My fav. team) and the Wings (my other
fav. team) are both playing in Cleveland, and I'll be in Ann Arbor!)]

Lindros and the Flyers will oppose the Norris Division champion Detroit
Red Wings on Monday, Feb. 22 (boy, what a CHOICE DATE!).  Lindros was
drafted by Quebec with the first pick in the 1991 draft, but didn't
sign.  He spent last season playing Junior hockey and competeing for
Canada in international tournements, including the Olympics.  He was
traded to Philly in a multiplayer and cash deal in the off-season.

The pens will play at the coliseum on Sunday, March 21, against the
Edmonton Oilers, a finalist in the Campbell Conference playoffs.

This season the NHL is playing 24 regular season games in 12 US cities
and 3 canadian cities that do not have NHL team.

"The purpose of the...venture is to provide our fans in traditional
'hockey country' the unique opportunity to see the excitment of
regular-season action," said NHL pres-elect Gil Stein.  "As well, we
want to expose this great game to thousands of new hockey fans."

Game times and ticket info will be provided by the Coliseum at a future
date.

(BTW: The Junior Barons are now the North Coast Barons)
-- 
Eric Rickin (ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu)
University of Michigan Class of 1996
East Quad - Cooley
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From: mmilitzo@scott.skidmore.edu (matthew militzok)
Subject: Re: NHL Drug Suspensions (WAS: Re: John Kordic (Toronto Star Article))
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:54:47 GMT

What about Grant Fuhr anfd Bob Probert?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad)
Subject: Re: NHL in the Olympics
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 21:37:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.062018.16561@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.015728.6477@erg.sri.com> vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad) writes:
>>
>>Another true piece of NHL-style logic. Let me get it straight: you advocate
>>not including the most popular sports into the Olympics because they "would
>>overshadow the other Olympic events"? Thus, I presume, you suggest removing
>>hockey, figure skating, speed skating, skiing from th eWinter Olympics so
>>that the bobsled guys got their deserved atention?
>>
>>Are you also in favor of removing voleyball, basketball, table tennis,
>>track&field and gymnastics from the Summer Olympics so that divers would
>>get more atention? 
>>
>>Also, given the fact that ice hockey is truly popular in only 7 or 8
>>countries, why woul dit overshadow other Olympic sports?
>>
>
>Soccer football is perhaps the most popular sport in the world...what
>is wrong with advocating a format for hockey just like that of soccer.
>

Only one little detail: the reason why they limit the age of soccer players
in th eOlympics to 23 is because they do not want the Olympics to rival the
World Cup of soccer. However, there is NO SUCH thing in hockey. If you
don't count Izvestia Cup, Sweden Cup, Canada Cup and other minor commercial events
designed to promote local teams. 

So, unless the hockey poweres find a way of having their own World Cup,
your argument is void, Gerald. 

Vlad

Employer disagrees

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From: pyacm@trentu.ca (A Colin Morton)
Subject: Re: Hockey?
Organization: Trent University, Ontario
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:20:41 GMT

In article <16ea0sINNmv8@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> bwelch@incinerator.East.Sun.COM () writes:
>Is a seperate news group really needed in the off season. I don't mean to insult
>anyone but a Canadian game should be kept in their own na. newsgroup. Esp

Yes.

Colin.
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Bowman as Pens coach
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:06:37 GMT
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department

In article <17AUG199211424582@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov> bimson@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (GREG) writes:
>
>And as for Melrose, 1) Who is he?, 2) Is he being paid to be Gretzky's
>baby-sitter, and 3) Will they win a cup with him.  The answers are :
>
>           1) Who cares.  2) Yes.  3) No.
>

Melrose was going to get a shot at coaching somewhere soon...he
won the Memorial Cup, and he won the Calder Cup...McNall was 
unable to land Bowman or Sather...Melrose is at least one of the
best NHL coaching prospects.

>The reason that Gretzky was on so many Cup teams in Edmonton is that 
>Sather was the coach and GM, and he knew how to coach.  Now, LA has 
>had to deal with Ftorek, Webster, and now this guy.  Sounds almost 
>like Pittsburgh with Pierre whats-his-face and Gene Ubriaco (Who I 
>thought was a good coach).  Then they got a good coach, now see where 
>they are.
>

Gretzky was important to the development of the Oilers franchise,
but he never fully realized how good the supporting cast Sather
put together in Edmonton was until he started losing in LA...

LA's big mistake was that they tried to build for the past rather
than for the future...surrounding Gretzky with familiar faces rather
than new faces...and this is partly Gretzky's fault.  I think they've
learnt their lesson...but now they have to attempt to stay ahead
of young and up-and-coming teams and more well-balanced established
teams, and another Gretzky Stanley Cup can only come with a lot
of good fortune.  It is still possible, but a lot of things would have
to break LA's way...this year, LA should still have as good a chance
of coming out of the Smythe as anybody, but then they will run
into Chicago or Detroit...which should mean doom.            


>As for Terry Murray, well, I believe he should be fired.  He had three 
>games to figure out how to get around Mario and Co. with the new and 
>improved defense, and he couldn't do it.  Out go the Caps for the 11th 
>straight year.
>

Terry has had considerably more playoff success with the Capitals than
his brother did...he certainly deserves at least one more shot...he's
won the division, and lost to the eventual Stanley Cup champion twice,
improving a lot the second time, and appears to have made great 
strides in correcting the Caps historical offensive deficiency.
The team is still on track, although it may be a slow train...it
certainly has not yet stagnated as it did under Bryan.

Gerald
Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 10:27:33 -0400 
From: Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Islanders Front Office Rumour: Torrie Out? (Was: Bowman: my 2 cents)


Jim Murawski writes:

>I heard on the radio this morning that Trottier will become Vice President
>of the Islanders.

This is GREAT news!!  I hope it's true.  Too bad we couldn't do something
for him in Pittsburgh (although what a way to end his playing career!)


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