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From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: 4000 problems! PLEASE READ
Date: 21 Nov 92 09:03:17 EST
Distribution: world
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <Boinger.06aj@myamy.hacktic.nl>, Boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl (Paul Kolenbrander) writes:
> In article <1992Nov17.073316.5646@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
> 
>> 	Has anyone noticed the following on an A4000?:  When "heavy" hard 
>> 	disk activity is going on the video "jitters" up and down.
>> 
>> 	I have just started noticing this.  I haven't noticed whether it 
>> 	happens on all programs, definitely when using SAS/C 6.  I would
>> 	suspect a power supply problem.  Any ideas or similar experiences?
> 
> Nope. But I doubt it's the PSU. I'm guessing it is due to the fact that SASC
> 6.0 is both very processor and hd-access active. And that IDE hd transfers
> data by having the 040 poll it. (Correct terminology?) I get the idea that
> the display is suffering from a very high load on the bus. Have you tried
> getting a GVP SII (v4.5) or A2091 from a friend and running SASC of that?
> 
	Well I have a A2091 I could use, but it has 5.92 roms.  I really
	don't want to spend $35 a pop to get the roms.  I thought the 
	A2091 in the A4000 would only be able to do PIO anyway?
 
> CYa, Paul
> 
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From: colint@spider.co.uk (Colin Tinto)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Amiga 1200 Vs Amiga 4000
Date: 19 Nov 92 11:27:21 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK

I've been doing some calculations...

Assuming my data is correct (I haven't checked much of it) :

For the Amiga 1200 set up I'd like :   (All prices UK pounds)

Amiga 1200	400
1960 Monitor	400
120Mb HD	400 (Maybe a bit over priced)
4Meg 32bit mem  200

Thats 1400 quid !   (about 2200 dollars- current exchange rates)

But - for an Amiga 4000 :

68040 processor
120Mb HD
6 Meg memory (Is this right in the base model ?)
1960 Monitor (Or do you get a shitty 1084 :-)

Currently selling at roughly 2000 pounds (Just over 3000 dollars)

I could probably sell my current set up (500+, HD, 4Meg) for about 400 or 500
pounds - a bit towards a 1200 set up...

But would it be worth mortgaging my cat and dog to go for a 4000 ???


Comments - please :-)

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From: mk59200@cs.tut.fi (Kolkka Markku Olavi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Parity
Date: 18 Nov 1992 16:13:10 GMT
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ketturastas.cs.tut.fi

In article <1992Nov16.111001.1@ratty.mits.com.au> lewis@ratty.mits.com.au writes:
>>>EDC (Error Detection and Correction) is also known as ECC (why, I don't
>>>know).  On Unibus VAXen, ECC memory is 10 bits/byte; it can *correct*
>>>single bit errors and detect double bit errors.
>
>"The ECC scheme used in the memory subsystem is capable of detecting a single
>or double bit error.  It is also capable of correcting all single bit errors.
>This is accomplished by storing eight check bits, along with the 64 data bits
>in each memory location (i.e. quadword access to memory).

So, the ECC system _doesn't_ use 10 (or 9) bits per byte, it uses 72 bits per
quadword.  There is a big difference, even if the total amount of bits is
similar. With this ECC scheme you cant read or write individual bytes,
because changing a single byte will affect several checkbits and the new
values of the checkbits depend on other data in the block.

Of course all this is hidden from the CPU and software by the memory
controller, but it complicates and slows down the memory/CPU interface.

--
	Markku Kolkka
	mk59200@cc.tut.fi

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From: jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: PC, Redneck President, and other bad news. (was Re: Amiga 1200)
Date: 14 Nov 92 22:00:27 GMT
 <1992Nov4.202447.10362@ra.msstate.edu> <36732@cbmvax.commodore.com>
Organization: is sometimes desirable

In article <36732@cbmvax.commodore.com>, Dave Haynie writes:

Dave is usually pretty sharp, but...

> Even if the air did fill with that smell, it's just a smell.  One hell of a lot
> better for your general health than all the toxins the Bush crowd would have 
> continued to pump into the air had they stuck around.  Good riddance to bad
> rubbish.  

What toxins?  Where?  Our air is cleaner than most industrialized countries.
You've been listening to too much "environmentalist wacko" propaganda.

> Get a clue.  If you're comparing IQs, the Bush/Quayle administration set an all
> time low (its only close competition was the Reagan/Bush administration).  I'm
> proud to have helped to elect a President and Vice President with at least above
> average intelligence (you don't get to be a Rhodes Scholar by being a "stupid
> hillbilly").  

If Slick Willie is so smart, why didn't he graduate from Oxford?  If Gore is so
smart, why does he think that automobiles are more dangerous than nuclear bombs?

There is a lot more, but no one (including me) wants this argument here.  Please
stop now.


                                                Jim Pritchett


UUCP:  rwsys.lonestar.org!caleb!jdp
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From: ps296au@sdcc4.ucsd.edu (Steven Cobb)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: Productivity mode & Sony CPD-1302
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:44:44 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Nov16.183738.12804@panix.com> rpowers@panix.com (Richard Powers) writes:
>In <tpang.721917188@sfu.ca> tpang@fraser.sfu.ca (Tsui Ting Debbie Pang) writes:
>
>>rpowers@panix.com (Richard Powers) writes:
>
>I can't get productivity to work at all.  
>
>>Anyone can help?
>
>Yes, anyone out there have any idea about this?  I'm really frustrated
>with this.  I might as well be using my C= monitor.  I'm getting no
>benefit from using a multisync.
>
I too can't get productivity to show up.  I've tried it on a 3000 a
600 using both a Zenith 1492 (or something) and the Mitsubishi
Diamond scan. In all cases the display was not warped but it was
_extremely_ dark (unusably so).  At first I thought it was the 3000
that was flakey but I never use productivity so I didn't bother.
When I tried it on a 600 I got the same problem.  It's certainly not
generic since it worked on a dealers 600 and 1960.

What's not working?

Regards,
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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: fixing a modem
Date: 22 Nov 1992 03:21:31 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu


Anyone know much about modems?  I have a Supra 2400 zi+ (internal, about
two or so years old) that doesn't seem to work anymore.  With the computer
power on, it lifts the phone off the hook, and leaves it that way.  There
is some sort of buzzing noise added, listening through the phone.

It won't receive any commands or do anything.  I pulled out the two 
socketed chips, and nothing seemed to change, so maybe one of the chips
is blown.  Are these chips readily available, or should I just not even
bother (this might not even be the problem), and buy a new modem?

Speaking of new modems, I want to get an interal 2400 Fax modem (with
software).  Is there anything like this for about $150 or so?  Or
should I get something better?  Oh well, thanks for any replies...

keith
From: boing@mcl.ucsb.edu (Geff Hanoian)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: 17" monitor with a 3000?
Date: 22 Nov 92 20:34:59 GMT


	I'm curious about hooking up a 17" monitor to my a3000.  
	Has anyone done this?  What specs do I need for the monitor?

	Thanx

	boing
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From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: 4000 problems! PLEASE READ
Date: 23 Nov 92 07:46:12 EST
Distribution: world
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <70071@cup.portal.com>, plav@cup.portal.com (Rick M Plavnicky) writes:
> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
> 
>>Well I have a A2091 I could use, but it has 5.92 roms.  I really
>>don't want to spend $35 a pop to get the roms.  I thought the
>>A2091 in the A4000 would only be able to do PIO anyway?
> 
> If it turns out that they're useful, I've got a set of rev 6.1
> ROMs for the 2091 (part numbers 390721-01 (even) 390722-01 (odd))
> I could be pursuaded to sell.  These aren't the latest, of course,
> and the reselection problem on multiple drives is still in 'em,
> but...

	I think the latest is V6.6.  My current plans are to buy a Zorro III 
	SCSI card when they become available, provided they do not carry an
	outrageous price tag.  (But since there are no IDE tape or CDROM drives
	I will probably get one anyway.)

	I would not try any ROMs, but revisions that FOR SURE will work.
	Does anyone know?
> 
> /* Rick Plavnicky   plav@cup.portal.com */
Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization **
From: dej@qpoint.ocunix.on.ca (David Jones)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re:  Why I need Hardware References.
Distribution: world
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:13:08 EST
Organization: Dejital Software

In article <37084@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:
>We tried to change the C64 character ROM for a slightly nicer font.  Even that
>broke code, so we wound up swapping ROMs between C128 and C64 modes.  The fact

How?  Was an application actually using its own character set and comparing
bitmap images against the character ROM or something?

--
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 AMIGA: Advanced Multimedia with Interactive Graphics and Audio
From: st1my@rosie.uh.edu (Stich, Christian E.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: A4091pat.lzh is corrupt (?)
Date: 19 Nov 1992 18:49 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

I tried to download the file A4091pat.lzh from Amiga.Physik.UniZh.CH (setting
transfer mode to binary/image).  Then I transfered it using zmodem (binary
transfer). However, LHA as well as LHarc refuse to uncompress it (checksum 
errors). Did anybody get it to uncompress?

				Christian

P.S.: Could it be that the person who put it on Amiga.Physik... ftp'ed it using
      ASCII/text?
From: scst116@csc.liv.ac.uk (Mr. E.M. Gaynor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: AGA monitors.
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:49:01 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University

Forgive my ignorance everyone but as people have been talking about the c=
1960, how much does it cost? does it have sound capability? I'm going to buy an
A1200 this week, and I'm wondering whether a student loan will stretch to both!
Farewell trusty A500, you have served me well!
(Anyone want to buy a phillips 8833 mk 1 (excellent condition, inc box and dustcover?)
BTW A group of SUN salesmen came to liverpool yesterday and were very upset when I looked at their 9000 pound work stations and told them about AGA in a 400 pound Amiga - He then huffed and said "but Amigas are games machines and these are serious workstations" cheek!! they were demonstrating by playing a multi player flight sim!!

first posting, could someone tell me how use a .sig! (humble, humble me).
Miles Gaynor
cs undergrad liverpool uni.
From: rforster@galaxy.gov.bc.ca (Russ Forster)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: 2090 w/ 2.0?
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:02:12 -0800
Reply-To: RFORSTER@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <Bxxsy1.C4E@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Balicki (KodaK)) writes:
> 
> I know this is a FAQ, but I can't seem to find the list anywhere.  Does the
> 2090 work under 2.0?  I plan to trade for one soon and I'd like to know if
> it's going to work on my 2000 under 2.0.
> 
	Yes the 2090 works just fine under 2.0  Of course you don't get
	autobooting.

> --Jason Balicki
> kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
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From: jh@cadre.com (Joe Hartley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Kick 2.0 for A1000, how?
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:57:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: fripp.1992Nov18.155755.15510
Reply-To: jh@cadre.com
Organization: Cadre Technologies, Inc.

In article 92Nov17154847@arugula.statsci.com, scott@statsci.com (Scott Blachowicz) writes:
>>>>>> "Andreas" == Andreas Mueller <anm@mcshh.Hanse.DE>
>
>I'd been thinking of upgrading my A1000 WB 2.04 (or 2.1 or whatever). >
>Other things on my system, that I currently assume will work, but ought to
>
>        -Microbotics Starboard II with 2Mb installed
>        -Supra SCSI i/f (v1.10f or something like that...I've heard that I
>         should upgrade to a Supra III or so...I need to give them a call).
>

Well, here's a few tips I've gleaned from running 2.04 on my 1000.  I'm doing
it with ZKick rather than with a ROM board at this point, so I can't give many
details on that except to say that people I know have used the KwikStart board
with no problems.

As to the Supra SCSI interface (which I also have), you will need to upgrade
to the Series III software, but that's relatively painless.  Supra will be
happy to sell you the software-only upgrade for the same price that they sell
the ROM & Software upgrade (thanks a lot, guys), but it works well.


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From: ajs@news.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Andrew Satterthwaite)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: 1200 with '040 ?
Keywords: 1200
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:27:02 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Originator: ajs@bookbind


OK, before anyone flames this for sounding daft, I don't know much about
chip connections and hardware generally but I was wondering wether it would
be possible to plug a 68040 into an A1200. I realise it may need a host board
or something but surely it wouldn't be that difficult for GVP or someone
to come up with something, and as it wouldn't need extra 32 bit memory (as
the A1200 has got it already) it should be fairly cheap compared to A500/2000
'040 accelerators.
	Is this a daft idea, or is it a possibility ... If the latter what 
sort of price range would we be looking at (please quote in pounds sterling
if possible as everyone seems to double the price of everything over here in
England.


Yours Ponderingly, The Splodge Man Thing Experience ..
From: bartosz@stein.u.washington.edu (Bartosz Kijanka)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Wanted: good deal on 68881 @ 25 Mhz
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:54:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov18.215451.411
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


Does anyone have a 68881 @ 25Mhz they would part with, for a reasonable
price?  OR does anyone know of a good mailorder place for '881s?

Thanks a lot.


bartosz@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: gdunlap@ecst.csuchico.edu ("Sam the SPAM Man")
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Video slot for A500
Date: 21 Nov 92 19:51:46 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu


     I read somewhere once that there is some sort of expansion for the
A500 that provides a video slot!  Is this true and if so, could you please
EMail me where I can get it and how much it costs? 
     Thanks!

- Greg
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: wendell@medsys.rn.com (Wendell Dingus)
Subject: Re: BackPack Tape Drive Support?
Organization: Med-Systems, Kingsport, Tennessee
Date: 21 Nov 1992 18:24:33 GMT

benw@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (bennett.weber) writes:

>My department may be getting some "Backpack" tape drives at work to back up
>our PC clones...the Backpack attaches to the parallel port (no scsi, etc).
>And I'd be able to take it home now and then to back up my Amiga.
>Hey, it's not my first choice in tape drives, but the price is
>right!

>Anyway, does anyone know if there's a driver to handle this thing,
>or whether any of the current backup utilities knows about it?

>						Thanks,
>						Ben Weber

Hear hear! We've got a Backpack drive at the office and it does work very 
nicely. Pop that baby on the parallel port and get some AmigaOS software
for it and I'd be very happy. Whatever happened to the tape drive Progressive
Peripherals came out with a few years ago similar to this one? It plugged
onto the floppy port (many of the PC tape drives do) and looked like a
Colorado DJ10 in a custom case. Is this thing still around? Shouldn't
be too bad getting their software to work with a parallel port connected
drive, and there would be a nice portable tape drive solution. 


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From: bo24+@andrew.cmu.edu (Berend Ozceri)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Help me! A4000 Problem!
Date: 18 Nov 92 09:23:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.If2dV1O00WBO44ilZV
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hi everybody!

My five-day-old A4000 decided to take a vacation today. It will not
reboot! Here is what happened:

I rendered a 100 frame animation in Imagine which took about 20 hours so
the computer ran overnight. When I turned the monitor on this morning,
everything was fine. I wanted to load a 24-Bit picture into ADPro, but
the memory was too fragmented. No problem! I hit the three-keys to
reboot...the screen goes blank...hard disk led blinks..............and
nothing! OK. I turn the computer off. Wait for 20 secs, turn it back on.
Hard disk led blinks......nothing! Hit the three keys to reset.....the
power led blinks in a couple of times...the hard disk led
blinks......nothing!

I suspect there is a problem with the hard drive spin-up, but it might
be something else. Can anyone out there help!

Please.

Berend
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: dburnett@emunix.emich.edu (Don Burnett)
Subject: Re: 2090 w/ 2.0?
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 15:07:23 GMT

A while ago (say 3 yrs ago) I purchased the Centaur Autoboot board for the
2090. It basically did what Commodore had announced the 2090b would do. It
came with new prep software and required the romboot.library (no longer a
a part of 2.x). The nice thing about this card is that it came with new
prep software which would allow the whole drive as a FFS partition and 
everything. The prep software continued to function under 2.04 even though
the card didn't (well, this was actually 2.02 at the time). Anyway, if
you can get a hold of that software from Centaur, you can prep for FFS
with one partition. Note 2.0x does autobooting differently, so you won't
still be able to autoboot, but none the less the software is useful.,

=DonB=

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: smithb@nijmeg.ingr.com (Bart Smith)
Subject: Evolution+Blizzard
Organization: Intergraph Nijmegen
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:24:15 GMT

Hello , 

I want to know if A BLIZZARD 12Mhz board will work with an
EVOLUTION 500 (version 3 ) HardDisk controller.



THANKS..

Bart Smith
Intergraph    Nijmegen
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From: ina_craig@actew.oz.au (Craig Alexander)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: AGA Chips with GVP Combo Boards ???
Date: 24 Nov 92 13:27:50 EST
Organization: ACT Electricity & Water

Hi !

In a recent issue of a local magazine, Australian Commodore and Amiga Review,
it was mentioned briefly that GVP may be developing a daughter board for their
Combo boards which would have the AGA chip set.

Does anyone have any info on this.

Regards
Craig
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From: eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen)
Subject: Re: HD drives for Amigas.
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 21:06:30 GMT

In article <BxqprI.ILs@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, bauerfw@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Frederick W Bauer) writes:

 > I've been reading a lot of complaints about how C= is evil for not making
 > HD floppies standard.  Could it be that C= is really close to an AHD 
 > (Amazingly High Density) floppy?  If so, they wouldn't bother with HD drives.
 > They already have 2.44M floppies on the PC side of the world, so it should be
 > feasible.  Anyway, this is just my speculation. But if it were true, putting
 > HD floppies on everything would just be a temporary solution that would leave
 > a LOT of people PO'ed once the AHD drives get here.

I don't think so...  Y?  Because C= have never not released something simply 
because it's going to be obsolete in the next five minutes ($%&$%A500Plus&%$%).  I
hope they see the light soon, tho...  Even if you are right, I'd prefer an HD
drive NOW rather than an ED drive in a years time...

 > Fred

-Eyvind

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