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From: kaul@bcrvm1.vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: New IBM PS/Valuepoint
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 00:16:07 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.15 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: kaul@bcrvm1.vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

In <sheldon.721932183@pv1417.vincent.iastate.edu> sheldon@iastate.edu (Steve Sheldon) writes:
>In <1e8dsuINNiq0@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> dab6@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas A. Bell) writes:
>>>The ps/value point computers use a tseng 4000 chipset.
>>This explains why IBM wrote os/2 2.0 drivers for the tseng chipset.
> According to the November 1992 issue of Byte which I just bought, at least
>the PS/Valuepoint 386SLC model uses a Cirrus 5422 chip for the video.
>This same chip is used by AST and Digital for their low priced models.

The scoop:
   386SLC based models:  Cirrus chip and Windows/DOS installed.
   486 based models: Tseng ET4000 and OS/2 installed.

Is it any wonder that there is Tseng SVGA seamless windows support in
OS/2?  It's not nearly as nice as the XGA support, though :-)

> ... OS/2 does not come with the 386 model, only
>the 486 model.(because of RAM, not processor speed).

Correct, I think.  OS/2 is sufficiently fast even on a 25MHz 386, but you
do need a fair bit of memory, more than the base, I think.  Of course,
I'm just an OS/2 user, not one of the OS/2 developers, nor a part of the
PC company, so I have no idea as to the reason.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: mtichy@fraser.sfu.ca (Martin Tichy)
Subject: Re: Funny Quantum 240AT HD noise?
Keywords: quantum hard disk
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:47:47 GMT

> I have a Quantum 120lps SCSI disk and it does the same thing.  I am
> not quite sure what it is doing, but it does appear to be the
> normal thing for Quantum's lps drives to do.
 
Yes it is normal for the Pro Drives to make that noise.  I 
believe someone else wrote that it is the drive compensating 
for expansion/contraction that my have been caused by 
temperature changes.
 
BTW my previous post is for Quantums SCSI drives.  I don't 
know if it applies to IDE ones.
From: ak@ananke.stgt.sub.org (Andreas Kaiser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: [IBM] XGA-2 Specs. 
Distribution: world
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 15:16:37 GMT
Organization: ananke


In article <1992Nov12.231856.19708@watson.ibm.com> kaul@bcrvm1.vnet.ibm.com writes:

  > The XGA doesn't do well on the WINMARK benchmark (pulling only about a
  > 10), but that's because of the weighting of that benchmark.  On
  > practical applications and programs it's much faster.

I haven't seen XGA-2 so far, but XGA-1 is awefully slow when scrolling
OS/2 Vio windows (PS/2-90 50Mhz). In this respect, it is considerably
slower than an ISA ET4000 board used in 1024x768 16 color mode on a
33MHz 486 (OS/2 GA).

		Gruss, Andreas Kaiser

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: Curt.Miller@launchpad.unc.edu (Curt Miller)
Subject: building comps. and RS-422?
Keywords: building, RS-422, motherboard
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 07:05:39 GMT

	I was wondering if anyone can point me to any good sources
on info about building computers from scratch.  Right now I am looking
to put together a system with a turbo 8088, a floppy drive, a floppy 
controller, 640K, and an RS-422 interface.  I am working to put together
a slave drive unit for a Laird 1450 Character Generator.  I've been told
that that is all the hardware that the commercially produced slave 
drive has in it.  It only has to receive data from the CG and run 
the driver software to accept the data and then spit the data
out in the same order when called on to do so.  I have no previous
experience with building a PC so any advice will be of use to me.

I've seen lots of catalogs with motherboards, power supplies, and 
cases.  I was wondering if anyone knows of good (inexpensive) sources 
for an RS-422 interface.  I was also told that there might be devices 
that convert an RS-232 into an RS-422, is this true and might this
be a better route to go????

Please mail any replies since I don't read this newsgroup.

UCSKJM@UCS.UWPLATT.EDU		Kurt Miller
UCSKJM@UWPLATT.BITNET	University of Wisconsin Platteville



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: mem28103@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (M. Munoz)
Subject: Looking for a pgm to load BIOS into RAM
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:21:27 GMT

Hello!

I remember seeing a shareware program that could load the system BIOS
into conventional RAM.  I don't remember where I saw it tho'.  If anyone
knows of such a utility can you please e-mail me the ftp site and directory?

Marc Munoz
mem28103@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

PS-I'm running on a machine w/only 640K, so don't tell me to put it into
   Shadow RAM using the BIOS options.  Also, the PC is an ancient XT which
   makes the BIOS pretty small (16k I think) so a little loss of conventional
   memory is ok.

Thanks in advance!

Newsgroups: isu.cc.general,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: michaelv@iastate.edu (Michael L. VanLoon)
Subject: Re: Heatsinks in 486DX-50 based PC's
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:37:17 GMT

In <sheldon.722016560@pv1417.vincent.iastate.edu> sheldon@iastate.edu (Steve Sheldon) writes:

>We're having a slight disagreement with one of our suppliers regarding
>the cooling of a 486DX50 computer.
[...]
>I'm looking for sources of information regarding this.  Perhaps where I
>might find a copy of any Intel literature regarding this, or any studies,
>tests, etc.
> I'm interested in something fairly scientific, if possible.

Call Intel.

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From: darrylo@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Darryl Okahata)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:39:43 GMT
Subject: Re: Compuserve questions
Organization: Center for Primal Scream Therapy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware, goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) writes:

> I am looking at an ad for Compuserve in the latest PC/Computing, and it
> says that CS "only" costs $7.95 per month plus a "low" membership fee.
>
> How much is this "low" one-time membership fee?

     I'm not sure, but I think that it is in the $10-$20 range.  Note
that this only gets you access to the really basic stuff, like games,
news, home shopping, limited email (Internet mail is extra), etc..

     Forum access, which is where I believe all of the good stuff is
(like programs, support, etc.), costs extra.  If you plan on accessing
the forums a lot, you might be better off with the
"pay-for-what-you-use" plan.  It's not cheap, but, as you'll probably be
paying the same (large) amount for forum access no matter what billing
plan you choose, you don't pay the $7.95/month.

     I use Compuserve to get software/hardware support, and, for the
most part, I've gotten pretty good service.  However, I do *PAY* for it.
It is NOT cheap, but I feel that it's worth it because:

* I've got access to the latest drivers for my PAS16 soundcard/CDROM.

* I've got access to the latest patches for games.  I don't have to wait
  a week or so for someone to upload them to wuarchive or whereever,
  assuming that someone even does so.

* I can ask support questions by posting a message, which I can do when
  it is convenient to me.  I don't have to call up some phone number,
  only to get a busy signal or to be placed on indefinite hold.  While
  it may take a couple of days to a week to get an answer (in some
  cases, it might only be hours), I'd rather wait a few days than to try
  calling up again and again at some inconvenient hour.

* I've got access to the latest Microsoft printer and display drivers
  for Windows.

* I've got access to Microsoft's "Knowledge Base", which is a database
  of problems and/or solutions with respect to various MS programs
  (Windows, MS Word, MS Project, etc.).

If you do access the Compuserve forums, get one of the "auto-logon"
programs like ATO or OZCIS (both are available from simtel20).  Beware,
though.  They can save you money, or they can make you spend more money,
by making Compuserve easy enough to use that you access more of it.

> I have always been under the assumption that CS charges for connect
> time also.
>
> Has this changed?

     No, and the prices vary according to which network you use to
connect to Compuserve.  If you use Compuserve's network, which is
connected to major cities and even to some fringe areas (like where I
am), the cost is something like an additional $0.50/hour.

     -- Darryl Okahata
	Internet: darrylo@sr.hp.com

DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not
constitute the support, opinion or policy of Hewlett-Packard or of the
little green men that have been following him all day.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith)
Subject: Re: Speedstar 24 faq (Zeos)
Organization: (this space for rent)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:28:05 GMT

1) Why won't the Speedstar 24 run in a 286 system.
2) What is the fastest bus speed the card will work at.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: ajb8886@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: BOCA 14.4K Modem
Reply-To: ajb8886@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 17:55:01 GMT

In article <By0x70.8oz@unx.sas.com>, sasbge@ant.unx.sas.com (Gantt Edmiston) writes:
>
>In article, pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth) writes:
>>In article umkirk07@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Kirk) writes:
>>>I have a BOCA v.32bis 14.4K internal modem.  I was curious whether it had
>>>the UART 16550 Chip in it.  Someone told me that it didn't, but judging
>>>from the performance, it doesn't seem to effect it.
>>>
>>>The modem does work flawlessly (with the exception of the rare CRC error)
>>>and I would recomment it as a low cost 14.4K modem (Some group purchases
>>>on misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone have found a price of 
>>>only  $219.00 plus $7 shipping.  That is amazing!
>>>
>>>Anyways, if anyone knows which UART the BOCA modem has, please reply.
>>>(I looked all through the manual, but no mention of anything..)
>>
>>Look on the modem itself.  The chip will be easily recognized.  Mine has
>>the 16450, which is not nearly as nice as a 16550, but it's a pretty
>>standard UART found in AT's, including the original IBM AT serial cards.
>>
>>I have no trouble getting 1675cps out of it (so says PCPlus) using
>>Ymodem-G and a 14.4 v32bis/v42bis connection.
>>
>
>Well, I have a Boca 14.4 modem and the model number is M1440I.  This
>internal FAX high-speed modem does not have *either* UART.  Instead
>it has a new Rockwell chipset that *emulates* the 16450 UART.  Same
>sad story about the 1 byte buffer.  Just thought I would add this 
>in case you are frantically searching for a chip that sez 16450/16550.
>It may not be there....
>

Are you sure?  I remember seeing many of the new internals based on the
Rockwell chipset, and they still have the UART socketed, only it is in a
different package (ie. the square-flat package type versus the old DIP package
type).   Modems like the Supra and the Zoom now have the sqaure-flat UART
socket (but the UART still says 16550AFN), and a few cheaper modems still
have the 16540 (albiet in the new flat-square package).

As far as I recall, the Rockwell chipset does not provide the UART services
per se.

Alex







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From: hm@opus40.ix.de (Harald Milz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Help with lack of memory!
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:05:42 GMT
Organization: iX-Redaktion


In article <Bxrt95.LFB@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, mrkg1094@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Madhab R. Khoju) writes:
|> 
|>   Hello!  I just got a game that requires 528K of memory.  However, I have 517K of memory.  Whenever I try to run it, I get a message telling me I do't have suufficient memory.  Then, I checked the amount of EMS left... I have 933K left of it(EMS).  The p|> roblem is that I don't know how to harness it.  I have EMM386, and I also don't know how to use it.  I've tried reading about it in my manual, that was no help.  
|>   If anyone knows how to expand my computer's memory, please E-mail me at:             mrkg1094@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu  
|> 
|>   PS:  By the way, I have DOS 4.  My computer has 2 megs of memory, but I'm not using all of it.                                                                     Thanx in advance!  
|>   Ps


Get MSDOS 5.0 or DRDOS 5/6. Maybe QEMM 6 also helps. You will probably get more than 600k free.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: rlee@bgsu.edu (Bob Lee)
Subject: Best componants
Organization: Bowling Green State Univ.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:03:46 GMT

Hey hardware gurus, I'm sold on AMD. But leave it to me to come up with
more questions.

I'm almost positive I'm going to purchase a 386DX-40, as soon as I sell my
old system. 

I know not all IBM systems are alike and they are engineered differently. 
I'm curious if any of you know which companies engineer their computers
very well. Like making data transfer from the CPU <-> buss <-> cards
exceptionally fast. I know Advanced Logic Solutions builds their drive
and video controllers directly into the board which greatly improves
overall performance. My understanding of a well-engineered IBM is one that
has a fast CPU that handles the buss bottleneck very well. What companies
do this engineering and do it well?

Besides overall performance, I REALLY want video performance. I'm a big
game player and I plan to use a windowing environment on my new system.
Unless I'm mistaken, 386 systems do not have a 32-bit expansion slot so
you can't use a local bus card, but how about those S3 Coprocessor ISA
cards that have a video processor on the card, sort of like a math
co-processor. Do they speed up performance transparently or do they have
to be addressed specifically like a math co-processor does? Any other
screaming fast cards that you know of?

If anyone would like a summery of this information let me know and I'll
post it. I think it would be very valuable.

-BOB

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: mireley@arnou.cem.msu.edu (John D. Mireley)
Subject: Trantor Parallel/SCSI Adaptor
Followup-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 14:13:46 GMT

I would like to hear from those who have experience with this device.
What works? What doesn't?  I am looking at this device to add
disk storage and a cd rom to a laptop.

John Mireley


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: a2824ag@sunmanager.LRZ-Muenchen.DE (Riaan de Jager)
Subject: PS/2 harddrive question
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:45:17 GMT

Hi

Can anyone tell me if there is a problem with installing a NON IBM
ESDI drive in a PS/2? Should it be a problem?
Also, how do I activate the PS2s CMOS setup program.

Thanks
/Riaan/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: c9c-dm@po.berkeley.edu (rolf behrsing)
Subject: Imagewriter II + PC
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 11:00:53 GMT

Does anyone have some suggestions on connecting an Imagewriter II
to the serial port of an IBM compatible (cables, drivers, etc.)?

Any and all help would be much appreciated.

	rolf@ocf.berkeley.edu
From: stein@phoenix.ocf.llnl.gov (Clifford M Stein)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: TriStar computers,any comments?
Keywords: VL-bus
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:04:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

I'm considering buying a TriStar VL-bus system.  Does anyone
have any comments, gripes, praises, complaints about these?

Email is fine.

Thanks very much.

--Cliff Stein

stein2@llnl.gov
From: TKSGJVV@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Real Time Clock on ACER 1030
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:53:45 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo

I have an ACER 1030 and no Documentation.  I replaced the battery
and immediately starting receiving REAL TIME CLOCK ERROR messages
during boot up.  The correct date and time must be reentered after
every reboot,,,, everything now appears normal...
The battery is good and the voltages at the battery poles also
are within range.   HELP.....HELP
From: reznick@acf3.NYU.EDU (Daniel Reznick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: ATI GU-Pro Drivers
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:47:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

I read something about some "beta" drivers for the ATI Graphics Ultra
Pro.  Does anyone know if this is truth or hearsay and if truth, where
can I get them from.  Preferabbly FTP.  I have repeatedly tried to call
ATI's BBS from NYC, and I always lose carrier right after connection.

Daniel Reznick
reznick@acf3.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: dalessio@rtsg.mot.com (Mario D'Alessio)
Subject: EISA vs Local Bus
Summary: EISA vs Local Bus
Keywords: EISA vs Local Bus
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:26:06 GMT

This probably was discussed many time already, so please
bear with me.

From what I know, EISA is a 32 bit bus capable of running
at 33Mhz. A local bus is capable of running at the speed of
the processor. So, if I get a 486DX-50, a local bus should
be able to run at 50MHz, right?

So, why is EISA so much more expensive? What does EISA give
me that local bus can't?

Thanks in advance for the help.

Mario


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From: lmebold@csghsg5a.bitnet
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Which fast-SCSI-II-drive to buy?
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:07:06 GMT
Organization: University of St.Gallen, Switzerland

I plan to get a fast-SCSI-II-drive of about 500Mb.
Fujitsu-fixed disks seem to be fast and quite 'cheap', and there's a
guarantee of 5 years. Are they as good as maxtor or conner?

which manufacturer would you suggest me?

Thanks in advance

Luke
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: ariz@sulo.otol.fi (A Salmela)
Subject: Re: Good speakers for SoundBlaster?  Please recommend.
Organization: Oulu Institute of Technology, Finland
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:01:50 GMT

From article <BxzuCv.BwB@utdallas.edu>, by goyal@utdallas.edu (Mohit K. Goyal):
> I just purchased a SoundBlaster v2.0, and I want to buy some speakers for it.
> 
> I did buy a pair of $30 Koss speakers, but they were not good.  When you
> plugged them in and turned them on, they emitted a not-so-quite "hum"/"buzz"
> that was quite annoying.
> 
> Please recommend *any* speakers that are available in stores for less than
> $200.
> 
> Finally, is it important to get "computer-specific" speakers? (ie-ones that
> are shielded and such)
> 
> Thank you.
> 
I have a PAS-16 card with SONY SS-M1600 (or something like that) 3-way
 speakers. (60W/6 Ohm), so you can even plug them on quitea a nice amplifier if you want. tought PAS-16 has 2*4W amp, which seems to be quite enough  for me.
 The price was about 100 USD, which I think is not too much for these speakers.
 These speakers are not "computer-specific", but it makes no difference if 
there is more than ...10 cm between monitor and the speaker.

- Ari
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: jern@visual1.jhuapl.edu (Bob Jernigan)
Subject: PROBLEM: Floppy disk
Reply-To: jern@visual1.jhuapl.edu (Bob Jernigan)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 21:48:12 GMT

My computer has just developed a case of
SECTOR NOT FOUND on my 3.5" floppy.

I replaced the drive, same error.

Where do I look for cause.
Please email to
jern@visual1.jhuapl.edu

Thanks in advance.

bob jernigan
From: rxs14@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert Stalder)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: DTK Computer
Date: 23 Nov 1992 17:33:10 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: rxs14@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert Stalder)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Does anyone have any info on the DTK Computer Fast ET 16 motherboard?
Any information on this thing would be more than I have right now and
the phone numbers to this company have been disconnected, so I assume I
am not going to be able to reach them.

So, thanks for any info anyone can give me!
-- 
Rob Stalder                           "To know me ... is to beer me"
rxs14@po.CWRU.Edu
stalder@SCL.CWRU.Edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: mgvdmeer@cs.vu.nl (Marcel G. van der Meer)
Subject: HELP! With laserpinter
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:09:16 GMT

I recently purchased a OEM laserprinter adn I'n need for some info
about memory-upgrades for it.

If anyone recognises the below, please emmail me. Even if you're not sure,
I'll be VERY glad to hear from you.

Specs:
- Minolta Engine, 6 ppm
- Called over here: 'VISA Laserprinter LSR-610/615')
- Originally came in box with print on it: 'Laser printer'
- 2 models:				standard	enhanced
- HP-LJ II compaible			   x		   x
- HP-GL/FX-80/Diablo 630/IBM comp.			   x
- 0,5 Mb RAM				   x
- 1,5 Mb RAM						   x
- RS-232/422 interface board				   x
- 109 builtin-fonts			   x		   x
- Maximum of 4,5 Mb RAM			   x		   x
- Manual, A5, typical OEM		   x		   x

The memory expansion (SIMM's) is possibel only on the serail-interface board,
not directly in the printer itself. On this board, 4 SIMM's of 1 Mb each
can be placed, giving 4,5 Mb of RAM

If anyone know/owns/has owned this printer or knows where these non-standard
SIMM's can be purchased, please contact me. For instance, maybe you van mail
me the adress/phone nr/fax nr of the supplier.

This printer was intruduced about 2 years ago, late 1990, early 1991

Thanks in advance,

Marcel, marcel@mars.let.uva.nl

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