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From: sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Amer/Rus movies
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:41:03 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Sep29.215011.2154@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> frants@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Leonid Frants) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.211931.8246@leland.Stanford.EDU> arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian) writes:
>>In article <BvCppD.9pv@news.cso.uiuc.edu> didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry)

>>>As for good movies, depressive or not, America provide plenty of those.
>>>More than SU in any case, where most films suffer from bad acting and bad
>>>montage.

 
 Yah, I personally taping every movie with such great actors as Van Damme,
 C. Norris, S. Segal (my favorite).

>>	Oh no, no, no. Russian/Soviet acting school, in my opinion,
>>is one of the best in the world. As for the American actors, yes, some
>>of them are good, but the vast majority - standardized dulls, standardized
>>mimics, standardized bodies and muscles, standardized images etc.


  A couple of weeks ago I rented "Little Vera" - I believe a '87 hit.
Back in Russia when I watched it it didn't seem to be soo terrrible.
Actors are falsifying, the subject itself is not worth the filf being
used.
  A couple of months ago my cable company showed us "Taxi Blues" -
I have never seen such a shit before. 
  Now, what I'm trying to say is that people change, so do their
tastes. I'm sure when I'll be back in Russia I'll get used to Russian
movies again. However, I bet there are too many 'chernuhi' right now,
and the nice thing about american public TV is that they are quite
strict about the language - what I cannot say about Russian.
>I disagree, it seems that there are many more good movie actors here,
>even though they  have to play in a lot of junkie movies. While not

>>were closer to ART, in America - closer to ENTERTAINMENT and BUSINESS, this
>>just another aspect of the wholesale utilitarianism of the American society.
>>

  Well, it depends. I'd rather spend my time entertaining than trying
to understand what this sick producer had in mind. Besides, when you're
deep in shit why would you need somebody telling you that? So, I prefer
american entertaintment business tha a soviet art.
ell, good movies are still produced here - it is just that their ratio to
>>necessary?
>
I have a comment. What do you think is the most popular TV show in
>Russia now? Well, at least a few weeks back it was some mexican soap
>opera shown daily I believe. Was it something around  20% of the
>country that was glued to the TV tube? Some large number anyway.
>

 You must have forgotten that in the US you have about 50 channels,
and some of them carry those mexican operas too. In the xSU there
are only 5 and general public doesn't have much choice. As far as
the mentioned opera is concerned, recently I spoke to my relatives
in Russia and got an impression that people are f.cked over by this
kind of art. But you see - no choice.

>Leonid, not a great fan of american-made movies.


 S.B.
From: igor@cs.columbia.edu (Igor Pankevich)
Subject: Re: American Education/Soviet Education
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:49:09 GMT

>From: irina@cs.washington.edu (Irina Bam)
>[1] Re: American Education/Soviet Education
>Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
>Date: Wed Sep 30 18:31:25 EDT 1992
>Lines: 9
>
>In article <1992Sep29.022042.10491@leland.Stanford.EDU> arto@leland.Stanford.E
>DU
>> (Artavazd Khachikian) writes:
>>
>>       Here are some of my observations in regards to the American ...
>>
>>       Many, many things ...
>
>Thanks god. Finally, one smart word on a subject.

God is God, not god... (sorry)

You are not a relative to Elizaveta Bam by any chance, are you?  (sorry again)

:-) :-) :-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: languages in ex-Soviet Union
From: verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:12:31 EDT
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv
Keywords: Ukrainian, Byelorussian

In article <1ai50nINNl6l@mizar.usc.edu> miwalker@mizar.usc.edu (Michael Walker) writes:
>I can't offer you any information about the Ukraine, but I think its a
>safe bet that they are using there own language and replacing Russian
>as much as possible.  But I was in Belarus this summer, and I can tell
>you that they have begun to replace ALL Russian road signs, and seem to
>have adopted the policy of substituting Belorussian language throughout
>the country.  Obviously this has only resulted in spotty changes so far. 
>But an interesting aside is that many citizens of Belarus don't understand
>the Belorussian language.  Fortunately it is so similar to Russian, that it
>isn't much of a problem, but this attempt to assert Belorussian nationalism
>was scoffed at by my friends, who are Belorussian.

About 10% of ethnic Byelorussians use this language. Even less (about
5%) can write correctly on Byelorussian. This was data from 1988,
but I doubt the situation changed now. BTW, the president of Byelorussia,
a physicist by profession, is the most pleasant person of all 
xSU republics presidents. As far as I know, he never attempted
to exploit nationalistic ideas, as others (including Yeltsyn)
did. Byelorussian literature and language are studied
by students in the school, and most of Minsk monuments
and dedicated to different Byelorussian writers and poets.
Of course, most people there can read Byelorussian since
it is not much different from Russian (at least, I can).

Misha.
From: DeVoid@cup.portal.com (David - Lyall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: education
Date: Thu,  1 Oct 92 00:56:00 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1acq1lINNgm7@agate.berkeley.edu> <1992Sep30.190939.28675@watson.ibm.com>

>How about a popular song :
>Do not know much about biology
>..
>Do not know much about chemistry
>..
>Do not know much about geography
>etc etc
>
>I keep hearing it on my local light music station.
>
	That's Sam Cooke. A great song writer.

==> J. David Lyall > DeVoid@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Subject: Re: More education talk...
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 12:04:38 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Keywords: Russian students, "cookbook recipes."

In article <1992Sep28.142827.17509@watson.ibm.com> bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy) writes:
>Kind of strange - at least 4 grammar errors in  one paragraph.  Should be 
>tough Ph.D.

Grammar flames, like spelling flames, are a sign of a feeble mind and
blatant disregard for the establised USENET conventions.  They look even
worse when their author makes the same kinds of mistakes in his/her own 
article.

Besides, those were typos, not simple grammar errors. 
-- 
Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path
From: muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: U.S. students poor performance in math/science = bull
Date: 26 Sep 1992 05:22:03 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

In article <=!!phda.oleg@netcom.com> oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev) writes:
>
>Back in the days of SU, the differentiation was achieved to some extend by
>having specialized schools that emphasized athletics or math and science or
>a foreign language or some other specialized tilt in the course composition.
>Kids who were interested in that area of study and were able to handle the
>load could be transferred to the specialized school.  But in xSU the
>differenciation happened around the 4th-5th grade, not the 10th like in US.
>-- 
I would say that differention was mostly due to non-school programs, attached
mostly to "dvorcy/doma pionerov". They offered a lot of engineering/
scientific activities for 4-5 graders and up. Specialised schools in 
physics/math are from 7/8-th grade up. There were several other possibilities,
like universities extensions, some of them by mail. And Olimpiades, that
was a great thing. I think it is what is needed for kids, having some
element in sport in it. It will be interesting to know if there is equivalent
stuff here. It looks like local community centers offers mostly arts/craft/sports
classes. What are those science fairs? Is that something of the kind
of Olimpiades?

Yury
From: alex@took.enet.dec.com ("Alex Allister Shvartsman, EMF,              LKG2-2/T2 27-Sep-1992 1704")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Russian Poetry
Date: 27 Sep 92 21:06:05 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

% From: "(didinsky garry)" <didinsky@UXA.CSO.UIUC.EDU>

[...]

%>> Pesnya Korobejnika

[...]

%Pomoemu, this poem is a part of Lermontov's "Pesnya pro kuptsa Kolashnikova".
%But, I could be wrong.

You are wrong. You confused "Korobejnik" with "Kiribeevich" :-)

Alex
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Subject: Re: More education talk...
Keywords: Russian students, "cookbook recipes."
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 08:03:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.192224.33767@watson.ibm.com> bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy) writes:
>Est' takaya narodnaya primeta, chto uroven' receptora opredelyaet 
>vosprinyatoe v neizmerimo bol'shei stepeni, chem ob'ektivnoe 
>soderzhanie soobsheniya. Neadekvatnoe soobshenie vosprinimaetsya 
>soobrazno opytu i ozhidaniyam receptora.

So what is your excuse?  Are you translating every word using a thick
dictionary and get apoplectic fits every 5 minutes when you can't find 
a typo in the book?

>Eshe voprosy?

Would you like to rent a clue?

-- 
Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: cema@eng.umd.edu (Simon Hawkin)
Subject: Re: Use of Western software in the CIS
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 23:21:03 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: cema@step.eng.umd.edu


In article <1992Oct4.204519.12523@emr1.emr.ca>, davidson@ccrs.emr.ca (David Davidson) writes:
>A private software firm has asked me to find out how Ukrainians, Russians
>etc. use software with an english interface. They are not prepared to
>rewrite their code but someday wish to market their software in E. Europe.

Ukranians, Rusiians etc. easily use software with English interface.
Indeed, if what you should do is to select an option from a menu, why not
memorizing what it means, in case you don't understand the language ?
More complicated procedures demand more complicated knowledge, of course,
but usually there is no problem.

>So, would it be acceptable for example, to write a manual in Russian,
>but provide english software. I imagine keyboard extentions must be added
>so that the user can input in their own language, but how do you get around
>the multiple possible translations of a single word. I was told for  example,
>that if you were feeding in a table of names, that there can be several ways
>of spelling a name depending on their nationality, and if you translate to
>english it get even more confusing. Is this the case?

If the product is to deal with Russian etc. names or sth like that,
it _should_ include the option of accepting and processing Russian
alphabet which does not have a 1-to-1 correspondence to Latin.

>If someone with some past experience could enlighten me, I would be greatly in
>their debt.

Try to ask postmaster@ParaGraph.MSK.su -- they have some experience in
"Russification" foreign-language programs. If he answers you, you will
have more knowledge about Russian market (or at least about Russian
postmasters :-)

Have good luck.
---
This is Simon Hawkin from Merry Land.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: galina@watson.ibm.com (Galina Kofman)_
Subject: Re: CIS on the internet? Why not?
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:51:15 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.11 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: galina@watson.ibm.com (Galina Kofman)_
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In  <1a2qk7INNpna@agate.berkeley.edu>  muh@physics1 (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:
> >
> >Show me a public networking service which is LESS expensive.
> >(Public means the one which is available to the general public).
>
> sns.com (510)623-8652. E-mail, at least. I have not use them for a long
> time, so I may be wrong, by I think they also offer some telnet capabilities,
> and some lesser stuff, like finger.
>
Yury, do you have any info on sns?  The number above sounded like a modem.
Thank you in advance.
/G.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Subject: Where is Sverdlovsk?
Organization: Systems'n'Software
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 05:43:21 GMT

can you tell me where  Sverdlovsk is in ex U.S.S.R.? I need the information
for my geography class.
From: avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Is America that bad?...
Date: 26 Sep 1992 16:18:28 -0400
Organization: Berkeley Software Design
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

In article <1992Sep26.174037.20708@news2.cis.umn.edu> peskin@staff.tc.umn.edu (Yury Peskin) writes:
>>Back when Gates was involved in the technical aspects of the business (the
>>days of Microsoft Basic and early MS/DOS) he did not need (or demonstrate)
>>much knowledge of software engineering.  
>
>He did, however, write a bootstrap program in assembler in
>5 days.  Can you?

I wrote a floppy bootstrap for my toy OS in assmbler for less than two hours
recently. Where are my billions?

--vadim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Subject: Re: Spelling...
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 13:15:59 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.

In article <91487@netnews.upenn.edu> sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:
>In article <1992Oct02.133106.17836@watson.ibm.com> bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy) writes:
>
>>Dostoevsky asks in Anna Karamazoff, why there are so many average individuals
> 
>   It looks like Anna Karenina got devorced and married one of Karamasov's
>  brother. 

Actually she got revitalized and then raped by Svidrigailov, when the
Player didn't pay her debts. The Youth was disgusted and followed
the way of Andrei Bolkonsky - only to find Sonya with Rzhevskiy.
The same time Porfiriy Petrovich patiently waited Zosima - he liked gypsies.

FYI - I believe Anna Karamazoff was one of typical Nabokov's jokes.
(Everything needs explanations in this damned group, Or 
People tend to think somebody else is fool when they have choice 
between that and declaring fools themselves :-)
>
>  But I completely agree with Feodor Michalych.

Me too - but very seldom.

>>	-igor
>
>  S.B.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: frants@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Leonid Frants)
Subject: Re: More education talk...
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:26:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.183915.37862@watson.ibm.com> oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky) writes:
>This discussion on spelling reminds me of our great leader Nikita
>Hruschev who said something along the lines "it is not important
>how a word is spelled as long as he (Nikita) could understand it".
>Needless to say, this is very much the same sentiment as heard
>on this thread.

Not quite, all depends on the context in which the conversation takes
place and on the conventions among the participants.


>
>Bad spelling is not a sign of a weak brain, it is a sign of lack
>of literary education. 

Not true. I know well-read and intelligent people who are not good
in spelling -  my dad is one of them. He always had that problem. It
most likely has to do with how good one's visual memory is. 

Neither is a lack of ability to paint, a sign of artistic
illiteracy or a lack of ability to sing, a sign of musical illiteracy. 

All of these abilities can be learned somewhat but are limited by
what an individual brain is best suited for. Granted spelling is
probably easier to learn. However, it is certainly overvalued in terms
of its importance. A little bit like a high IQ is not always
reflective of high intellect - rather it shows a high ability to solve
certain kinds of problems.

>A person who does not spell well, quite
>obviously has not read much (unless his/her memory is in bad shape,
>and then it is a sign of weak brain).

This is wrong.


>Of course, if a person is a writer and not a reader, then he is
>excused, and everyone else should be grasping for his divine
>revelations.
>



>Oleg

Leonid.
From: leonid@tuna.uchicago.edu (Leonid Andreev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: mail ( OTBET COBKA! )
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:39:27 GMT
Organization: University of Chicago CILS

Distribution: 

In article <1992Sep30.223756.1460@cnsvax.uwec.edu> cookliwj@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:

>   How long does it normally take to get airmail letter from U.S.A to St.
>   Petersburg ??
>
>   I sent one to Perm a couple of months ago, it only took 2 weeks, its been
>   nearly a month since I sent to a friend in St. Petersburg and she has not
>   received it yet, I'm starting to worry.

Each time I read something like this, my old soviet brains 
start boiling! I've got a cruel desire, I've got a real 
passion to shout: "You're nuts, man!!!... How could you
aske such a *STUPID* questions, f*@# you!!!..." 
:)
But I never do. Because I am a real Russian Intelligent.
You know. I always spell correctly. Actually I don't spell
a single word without looking into Ozhegov's dictionary
of Russian Language first. I always wear suit and tie. I 
forgot to put my tie on once, so I was close to commiting 
suicide. So I reply in a very polite way: 
"Dear Sir/Madame: You CAN NOT ask such a thing. It just
doesn't make any sense for us, humans, to make any attempts 
to realize such a misterious process: mail going to Russia!

It is not just faraway country! Actually, it is as far from
here, as Devil's asshole, but the distance is 3 times bigger. 
So it could take 5 days for a letter to come there, it could 
take 3 months, or it could take forever as well...

So you shouldn't ask, how long does it take. What you can do -
you can pray for you letter to come. You could worship it.
And you have to be humble and never even try to understand
this mysterious and unpredictable will of what they call
xSoviet And Now Russian Mail Service. Forever and ever,
amen!"  


!!!!DISCLAIMER FOR ALL *SERIOUS* PEOPLE!!!
I had *no* intention of offensing anybody.
From: vadik@cs.umd.edu (Vadim Maslov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Soviet supercomputers
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:43:27 GMT


Somebody said on the net that xSU enterprises were not able
to produce anything better than i8086. I replied that they
possibly could.

Enclosed is an article which adds $.02 to this issue.


                           R e N e w s
                           ***********
         network magazine of RELCOM
              ******************************************
                          RENEWS 1
                          ----------

             CONTENTS
           *  SUN + BABAIAN: CONTRACT OF THE POPULAR US
            COMPUTER FIRM WITH RUSSIAN PROFESSOR
                                  .......................
                                   .....................
            **********************     ***********************


                               SUN+BABAIAN!?

             * Contract  between  well-known  SUN  Corporation  and
         prof.  Bores Babaian,  "father" of Russian  super-computers.
         Why Americans want to deal with Russian academician?*

            Corresponding Member  of  Russian  Academy  of sciences
         Bores Babaian said:
             For a    long   time   we   were   constructing "quick"
         supercomputer.  Today we have very interesting architecture
         of  this machine.  It's model ELBRUS-3.  Our computer is 3
         times quicker than his "brothers " in  this  country.  But
         processors  of  very famous CRAY are twice slower than our
         computer.
             But American computer is not big and heavy. Our ELBRUS
         is  a  giant,  and  his "health" and "mood" are not always
         good.  There are a lot of reasons for it.  On one chip  we
         have about 1.000 gates.  American   does not have less
         than 150.000 .  Our electronic industry did not  start  a
         project on building processors with 300.000 transistors on
         one crystal.  But world standard is 3.000.000 .  We  can't
         participate in the world computer marathon.  "Distance" of
         20-30%  makes the competition useless.     We  are
         failures from the beginning of "marathon".
             As we found out our ideas can't  be  realized  without
         help from outside...
            We decided to find a good partners abroad.  At least we
         met with SUN group.  A very busy person Bill Joy devoted a
         couple of hours for a discussion of our ideas.  We managed
         to form a joint project SPARC-ELBRUS. We are going to make
          a very quick processor for SUN  based  on  our  ideas.  The
         production will take peace abroad . We are going to finish
         with isolation and to participate in the world competition.
                                  ....


  Vladimir Shliemin
    Head of Information department JS Co. RELCOM
    Editor of RENEWS
  !-----------------------------------------------------------------!
  !       E'mail: nev@renews.relcom.msk.su                          !
  !-----------------------------------------------------------------!

-- 

Vadim Maslov.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: srasaret@nyx.cs.du.edu (Suresh Rasaretnam)
Subject: lithuania
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 02:23:17 GMT


   I was  wondering if anyone new if there is internet access in lithuania.
                thanks inadvance

Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:8200 talk.politics.soviet:8262
From: wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: ESTONIAN MINORITIES: statistics
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:34:18 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: madvax.maths.uwa.oz.au

thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi writes:


>In article <1a8gthINNt2@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL) 
>writes:> 
>>>Please reread the statistics carefully before suggesting next time that the
>>>ethnic Estonians might represent a minority in Estonia. 
>> I am not sure as to your competency in English. I made no such suggestion.
>> jw

>Anyway, you wrote exactly this:

>> It may even be that the Estonians that the Estonian government
>> represents are in the minority (nobody in this newsgroup seems to have
>> any hard statistics)


It may even be that TH is a hairy babboon; in which case, his level of
comprehension is remarkable.


>Then you got the our statistics. Aren't you satisfied?

Do you get it ?

>TH.

jw
From: leonid@tuna.uchicago.edu (Leonid Andreev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: NEW VISA SYSTEM FOR CIS
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:09:37 GMT
Organization: University of Chicago CILS

In article <920930562@tbucks.com> root@tbucks.com (Timothy E. Buchanan) writes:

>   She _is_ a permanent resident, by our INS, and has the pink (not
>   green) card. But becoming a US resident for the XSU'rs will take many
>   months, and $ 345.00!

As far as I understand it, it's always pink, isn't it? I mean, it's 
only called "green" to confuse us, poor immigrants... Do these
people from Russian Consulate demand your wife to get a card 
which would be real GREEN in order to admit that she *really* is
a permanent resident of this country???

  _
/\EHbKA