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From: censtad@nic.gac.edu (Topher the Gustie)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: <None>
Date: 26 Jan 1993 21:23:33 GMT
Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College
Distribution: world
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In article <1993Jan25.164259.2823@vax1.mankato.msus.edu>  writes:
> I'm sitting here at MSU (in Minnesota) content with the college I've  
chosen,
> and all of sudden, my boyfriend (who is an extremely wonderful guy)  
decides
> that he would like to transfer to a different state.  
> 
> We both would like to travel, he just wants to begin now.  He also has  
the itch
> to get out from under his parents' realm and start fresh somewhere else.


You would be stupid to pick up and leave your school because of your  
boyfriend.  This would be a decision you may regret the rest of your life.   
Please, please, please do NOT form your life around what someone else want  
s to do. If you want to talk to me personally mail me and I'll give you my  
phone number since you live just down the road from me.

--
Chris Enstad
Gustavus Adolphus College			Are you experienced?
St. Peter, MN 56082
From: dchong@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Dennis Chong)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Law school in Boulder?
Date: 28 Jan 93 05:52:37 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences

Oops, one more thing (last line in the article):

Contact:
Jerie Torbeck, Director of Admissions and Financial Aid, (303) 492-7085
for general inquiries and financial aid information.

Don't ask me why this number is different from the first one.  I assume
the address is the same, though.

...dc

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From: srmcinto@eos.ncsu.edu (SEAN R MCINTOSH)
Subject: email address
Originator: srmcinto@c00094-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Keywords: Cornell University
Reply-To: srmcinto@eos.ncsu.edu (SEAN R MCINTOSH)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:53:59 GMT


Hi!


I'm trying to fiend a friends email address.  I am looking for the Cornell
host computer address.  If anyone knows of an email address server please let
me know.



Please respond to: srmcinto@eos.ncsu.edu


Thanks in advance!


Sean

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From: vinita@redbird.pa.dec.com (Vinita Bhatia)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Survey of international students
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:13:04 GMT
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This is a request for help in a survey of facilities provided to internation
students on different campuses.  I need the information for a class project.

I will appreciate you sharing your experiences of the International Students
Offices in your university with me.  Please let me know of any program that
you thought was useful to you when you joined the school.  Also, if you felt
there was something for which you really needed help and was not addressed
before or after you joined the school.

Thanks for your help.

Vinita
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From: eeyimkn@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (M. Knell)
Subject: Re: Drink ages?
Organization: Cripps Computing Centre, University of Nottingham
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 14:47:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.041031.145@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (John P. Mechalas) writes:
>Here in Indiana, you have to be 21 to even enter a bar, so a lot of the
>problems with underage students declining the attendance don't seem to
>apply.  I will admit that bars back in Illinois that admitted underage
21? Ouch... How do you survive?? :-)
Out of interests, what do students do in their spare time? Over here quite a
few spend a lot of time in the respective drinking establishments (we have 14
on campus here, I occasionally work one of them..) as more of a social venue.
It's not compulsory to get pissed all the time :-)

>   As for off-campus bars, I find them more appealing because I don't have
>to deal with the campus crowd that thinks drinking is then end-all and
>be-all of life.  You get a better atmosphere, IMHO.  Your mileage may vary.
Too right. It's nice to get off campus and to a place where the drink comes in
glass glasses.

Cheers, Mike

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From: mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (John P. Mechalas)
Subject: Re: Drink ages?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 17:45:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.144711.28746@cs.nott.ac.uk> eeyimkn@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (M. Knell) writes:
>In article <1993Jan23.041031.145@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (John P. Mechalas) writes:
>>Here in Indiana, you have to be 21 to even enter a bar, so a lot of the
>>problems with underage students declining the attendance don't seem to
>>apply.  I will admit that bars back in Illinois that admitted underage
>
>21? Ouch... How do you survive?? :-)
>Out of interests, what do students do in their spare time? Over here quite a
>few spend a lot of time in the respective drinking establishments (we have 14
>on campus here, I occasionally work one of them..) as more of a social venue.
>It's not compulsory to get pissed all the time :-)

Some people who are interested in the bar scene (for dancing or whatever)
will go to Illinois where bars will admit those 19 and up (but won't serve
underage).  Others will go to Chicago or Indianapolis where there is simply
more to do.

>>   As for off-campus bars, I find them more appealing because I don't have
>>to deal with the campus crowd that thinks drinking is then end-all and
>>be-all of life.  You get a better atmosphere, IMHO.  Your mileage may vary.
>
>Too right. It's nice to get off campus and to a place where the drink comes in
>glass glasses.
>
>Cheers, Mike

Amen!

-- 
John Mechalas                                          "I'm not an actor, but
mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu                                 I play one on TV."
Aero Engineering, Purdue University                     #include disclaimer.h
From: pezzillo@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Amy J. Pezzillo)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: None supplied
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:45:12 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1ipm4gINNgd@flash.pax.tpa.com.au> anon.441@pax.tpa.com.au writes:
>
>Some time ago a guy posted a message asking for descriptions 
>of hazing incidents.  He was convinced that many of them were 
>of a sexual nature--some even of a homosexual nature, 
>parading the pledges around naked and the like.  I never saw 
>any answers and am interested in the subject myself.  Since 
>then, other posts concerning military hazing, etc have 
>appeared.  I can understand that no one would want to libel 
>their fraternity but surely some readers of this group have 
>heard of hazing or initiations by others.  Please post or email 
>me any you have heard of. 


There's a book out:  "Fraternity Gang Rape"  by Peggy Reeves Sanday,
which goes into great detail about fraternity initiation.  The author
interviewed fraternity members and former members on initiation
practices.  The ones described are very frightening.  Extrememly
misogynistic, very homophobic while at the same time incorporating
rituals of a homosexual nature.  She puts forth some theories on how
these rituals lead to a very frightening misogynistic group mentality in
the fraternities that employ them.
Please note:  I said "in the fraternities that use these kinds of
rituals."  I'm not saying that *all* fraternities are misogynistic or
use these rites, but many do use them.  

ajp

Newsgroups: soc.college
From: mvtop25@ursa.calvin.edu (Marcel VandenTop)
Subject: INQUIRY:  DORDT COLLEGE, SIOUX CTR, IA  ADDRESS
Summary: INQUIRY: DORDT COLLEGE E-MAIL ADDRESS
Keywords: DORDT E-MAIL
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:12:21 GMT

Hi there.  Anyone know the e-mail address for Dordt College in Sioux Center, Iowa.  I can't find anything under .edu....

Any help is appreciated...
From: 00brwoodson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Roommates Suicide=Straight A's?
Date: 24 Jan 93 05:06:39 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

Hello all,

	My girlfriend and I were just reading the roommate suicide=Straight As
thread.  Needless to say, we all enjoyed reading everybody else's opinion on
whether it exists or not.

	Here at Ball State University, we have had one suicide (reported) last
semester, but he was a prof, and we also had a student attempt suicide this
past semester.

	So, the people in the Prof's class had to take it over again.  No As
for them.

	The roommate of the student didn't get a 3.5, or at least it wasn't
given to him.

	I, however, believe in the Roommie Suicide=As theory fervently, not
because some friend of a friend of a friend said another friend of his had
something happen to his cousin about this.  Deep down, don't we all think our
GPAs need some help?  DEep down, don't all roommates get on each other's nerves
occasionally?  Maybe not enough for wishful thinking, though.

	Signed (Electronically and deranged)

		A Mad man at BSU.
From: sturges@atlantic.cps.msu.edu (Steven A Sturges)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Re: Best schools?
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:46:50 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: atlantic.cps.msu.edu

In article <6003@krafla.rhi.hi.is> einararn@rhi.hi.is (Einar Arnason) writes:
>Reykjavmk 240193
>[previous deleted]
>
>	Sorry about this strange mess but i am doing this in vi and
>just hate it (does anyone know how to change the :post editor in nn to
>Microemacs?)
>

Try setting the environment variable VISUAL to emacs

Place the following line in your .cshrc file:

setenv VISUAL emacs

-steve




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From: johnwu@netcom.com (John M. Wu)
Subject: What to shoot for?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:59:22 GMT

With all this talk about getting those perfect scores, high GPAs, and
excellent recommendations,  how does the average college Joe get in to 
grad school?  Granted, not everyone caught on in high school that ETS
tests are easy to beat even if you're dumb and not everyone is going
to catch on in college.  I assume my SAT bag of tricks will be useful
on the GRE, correct?  

OK, I'm not the average college Joe but from my numbers below, it sure doesn't
look good as far as the top 50 CS schools.  

SAT (I have not taken the GRE yet) 
Verbal - 90th percentile
Math - 98th percentile
-I expect my percentile ratings to drop a tad.

GPA ~3.35 including community college units
(my four-year school GPA is somewhat lower and my cc GPA is much higher)

So will a MS CS program from a "lesser" school be good as far as future
job and salary opportunities?  And will I get in w/ financial support?
(I'm starting to want to be the big fish in a lesser pond rather than
a tadpole in an excellent pond.)

-- 
John M. Wu                "And if a double decker bus, crashes into us
johnwu@netcom.com          to die by your side, is such a heavenly way to die"
jmw@ocf.berkeley.edu         - There Is A Light That Never Goes Out
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From: elm@cs.berkeley.edu (ethan miller)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Re: Gre scores
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:14:40
Organization: Berkeley--Shaken, not Stirred
	<1993Jan24.132216.15867@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>
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In-reply-to: christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu's message of 24 Jan 93 13:22:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.132216.15867@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Carl Christensen) writes:

=>Well, as someone else pointed out, it really depends on your major.
=>Since they gave a 'humanities' viewpoint, I'll give the Computer Science
=>and Engineering viewpoint.  It doesn't sound good.  From my own experience
=>and that of my friends, if you're not in the 95% or above on the Q and the A
=>you might as well forget the top 20 schools.  And your Verbal needs to be 
=>probably at least 80% as well.  I guess these fields are more competitive 
=>as compared with the humanities.  If you're looking at top schools (CMU, MIT,
=>Stanford) you'd better have close to perfect (2360 - 2400) GRE scores.

This just isn't true.  Yes, the top schools expect you to have scores
in the 90th percentile or above, but you don't need to have a 2360.
Berkeley only cares about V and Q (not A), and wants English speakers
to have 90+ in both.  However, this could well mean you have 700 in
each.  Not close to a 2360.  GREs are used as a first-pass filter --
those whose scores are too low won't get in.  Good GREs alone won't
get you into grad school.

Incidentally, I don't recall anyone who got a 2400 on their GRE.  I
reviewed applications for Berkeley for two years, and the highest
score I know about was my own (2380).  Remember that there are
typically fewer than 20 perfect scores on the SAT, and that the SAT is
taken by far more people than the GRE.  2400 scores on the GRE are
likely to be rare.  Do well, and that'll be sufficient.

ethan
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:36:06 EST
From: <GHADSAL@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Re: Conflict Resolution
Distribution: world


Richard,

----> Richard, RIchard, Richard....   You will do yourself an injustice if you
do not contact the American University's School of International Service at
(202)885-1000.

AU's S.I.S. *is* the "conflict resolution" school...even diplomats (US and othe
rs) come to learn more about it at AU.

No, I am not in the program but could hook you up with someone (email) that
is.....send me a response.

Guy
From: mxh@Autodesk.COM (Martin Hall)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: University of Hull
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:06:51 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

I am interested in hearing any thoughts or comments on the Department
of Management Science and Systems at Hull.  Specifically, the Ph.D.
program.  I just completed my Master's in Cybernetic Systems at San Jose State
University (in California).  This is one of the doctoral programs, I am
interested in.


 					----Martin----
----Martin---- 		Martin L.W. Hall, M.S. Cyb.Sys.
mxh@autodesk.com  	(415) 491-8851
From: scalawag@carson.u.washington.edu (Keith Frederick)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Re: Avg. Ph.D. Admissions Times
Date: 23 Jan 1993 02:07:10 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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In article <93022.170618U53519@uicvm.uic.edu> <U53519@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.042910.25978@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>,
>christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Carl Christensen) says:
>>
>>As an eager applicant to various Ph.D. programs, I'm curious as to
>>how long the schools keep us in suspense before they reject :(
>>or accept :) us.
>>
>Carl,
>
>Several years back I applied to U of Michigan, U of Chicago, Northwestern,
>and U of Illinois-Chicago.  All but the last informed me of their
>decision by April 15; Northwestern and U of C let me know before April 1.
>In part, their timing was dictated by financial aid considerations.
>They want to get good applicants to commit before a certain date, April
>15 (I think).  If an applicant has not committed to attend by that
>date, the school can offer his/her assistantship/stipend to another
>applicant further down the priority list.
>
>The University of Illinois - Chicago still hadn't contacted me as of
>May 10 or so.  I had to call them to break the logjam in the grad
>admissions office.
>
>Good luck!
>
>--Ray
>

IF one did not apply for any type of financial assistance, do the
rejection/acception letters come any sooner? [This question is to
everyone, of course, and not just the original poster to whom I'm
replying].

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Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:10:07 -0500 
From: "William W. Lee" <wl0l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Gre scores
	<33ZZXB1w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>

How about if the applicant's native language is other than English,
and did really really bad on the verbal but really really well on the
Q & A, does that disqualify him/her immediately (in Engineering)?

Will taking the TOFEL make up the bad verbal score??

Thanks.
-Will
From: jimbob@jade.ucsc.edu (James R. (Jim Bob) Bill)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Re: Avg. Ph.D. Admissions Times
Date: 23 Jan 93 02:34:46 GMT
Organization: UC Santa Cruz CIS/CE
NNTP-Posting-Host: jade.ucsc.edu

In article <93022.170618U53519@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U53519@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
|> In article <1993Jan22.042910.25978@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>,
|> christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Carl Christensen) says:
|> >
|> >As an eager applicant to various Ph.D. programs, I'm curious as to
|> >how long the schools keep us in suspense before they reject :(
|> >or accept :) us.
|> >
|> Carl,
|> 
|> Several years back I applied to U of Michigan, U of Chicago, Northwestern,
|> and U of Illinois-Chicago.  All but the last informed me of their
|> decision by April 15; Northwestern and U of C let me know before April 1.
|> In part, their timing was dictated by financial aid considerations.
|> They want to get good applicants to commit before a certain date, April
|> 15 (I think).  If an applicant has not committed to attend by that
|> date, the school can offer his/her assistantship/stipend to another
|> applicant further down the priority list.
|> 
|> The University of Illinois - Chicago still hadn't contacted me as of
|> May 10 or so.  I had to call them to break the logjam in the grad
|> admissions office.
|> 
|> Good luck!
|> 
|> --Ray
|> 

The  U of Illinois-Chicago did that to me too!  I got their offer about a month
after the DEADLINE for acceptance of my other offers, and over a month and a half
later than my other offers (and rejections) arrived.  Dealing with their front
office was a nightmare.

I hope this is viewed as constructive criticism and not a flame :-)

-jbb
From: waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Re: Gre scores
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:02:37 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

w0318@desire.wright.edu writes:

> I got my GRE scores back.
> 
> I don't know how to figure out whether I did 'good' or not, or mediocre or
> what...
> 
> Can someone give me a 'good' range for each measure?
-----
This really is going to depend on the program that you're
applying to, and the particular pool of applicants for the
year, but here goes:

For doctoral study, we expect no less than a score of 600 on
each of the three sections of the test, with a higher score
in one section compensating for a lower score on another.
That means, a combined score of 1,200 on the verbal and quant
sections, we ignore the analytical unless there's a problem with
the other two scores.  If a score drops below 550, then we pretty
much toss out the application unless there are compelling reasons
to retain the application.
From: christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Carl Christensen)
Newsgroups: soc.college.grad
Subject: Re: Gre scores
Date: 26 Jan 93 05:32:00 GMT
Organization: Temple University
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ethan miller (elm@cs.berkeley.edu) wrote:

: This just isn't true.  Yes, the top schools expect you to have scores
: in the 90th percentile or above, but you don't need to have a 2360.
: Berkeley only cares about V and Q (not A), and wants English speakers
: to have 90+ in both.  However, this could well mean you have 700 in

Oh boy, I really opened up a can of worms with this post.  I think part
of the problem is that schools are pretty secretive about the GRE
scores of their students.  I based my 2360 judgement on people I know
who had that sort of score and made it to top schools.  And some of
them didn't!  Myself, I disqualify, because I was applying to top
schools and my undergrad was in a totally other area (Nuclear
Engineering) and I had no formal training in CS (other than work
experience but who cares about that!).

I'm hoping that now that I'm completing my MS in CS, I'll have a better
shot at a good school for my Ph.D.  Anyway, I had some stats from Duke
that also helped support this thesis.  Their computed GRE avgs. of
successful applicants were Q796, A785, V690.  So, you figure a pretty
good school like Duke has avg. admissions score of about 2270, a 'top'
school would have a bit higher.

And as you pointed out, of course, there's a lot of other things besides
GRE scores, too.  Are your Berkeley 90%'ile stats recent?  I know within
the past few years (due to recession I guess) the applicant pool has
increased, so they might have gone up.  Sheesh, I would have applied if
I knew that, I assumed they're another >2360 school!

: taken by far more people than the GRE.  2400 scores on the GRE are
: likely to be rare.  Do well, and that'll be sufficient.
Aha, I know a 2400 dude (the bastard).  I guess Berkeley doesn't
attract this kind of student! ;)

--

Carl Christensen                      christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu
Department of Computer Science
Temple University
Philadelphia, PA  19122   USA         (215) 735-6787
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