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From: catapcnl@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Chris Lawrence)
Subject: Comedy time
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 22:03:05 GMT

Distribution: World

I think it's about time that we lightened up here in comp.sys.amiga.advocacy.   
Therefore, I'm posting this top ten list of flop computer products for the  
1990s.  Read it and weep.

10. Windows NT        { But backwards compatability will kill it }*
 9. Mac SuperQuadra   { Lack of Windows NT compatability will kill it }
 8. Atari Falcon      { Lack of compatability with anything will kill it }
 7. MegaNintendo      { Price equal to that of luxury car will kill it }
 6. Amiga WordPerfect { Sorry, that flopped in the 80's }
 5. IBM-Apple Co-op   { IBM will kill Apple }
 4. Atari Condor      { Lack of compatability with Falcon will kill it }
 3. 586-based clowns  { Lack of 586 will kill them }
 2. Non-586 clowns    { Running Windows NT at lethargic speed will kill them }
 1. Amiga 4000        { Lack of advertising will kill it }

* Or at least slow it down to the point of unusability.

--
Chris Lawrence
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From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: I DID giev up on the Amiga!
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:56:02 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <1992Jul22.184026.5237@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
> In <mykes.09sd@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
> >Whatever Unix needs, the Amiga OS kicks its but with the same configuration.
> >However, Unix has RTG, while Amiga OS doesn't.
>
> This is of course not true. UNIX has no RTG as UNIX has no idea about
> graphics. The fact that UNIX workstations usually run X11 doesn't mean that
> much as the Amiga can run X11 as well under AmigaOS.
>

X11 is a standard feature of virtually all (if not all) desktop workstations
over the last bunch of years.  X11 is not, nor will it ever be, a standard
feature of Amigas.

> Regards,

Regards, too.

> Michael van Elst

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From: pdb059@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov (Paul Bartholomew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: I am giving up on the Amiga
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:05:21 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Image Processing Lab

In article <1992Jul24.000946.6129@seas.gwu.edu>, gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
> pdb059@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov (Paul Bartholomew) writes:
>>This is an old, old argument on this newsgroup.  My contention is that we
>>should compare systems by performance, capabilities, *and* price.  Yes, the
>>386 is newer than the 68000 and has more capabilities.  On the other hand,
>>judging from what I've heard, comparably equipped A500 and 386 clones are
>>roughly equivalent in price and can be legitimately compared to one another.

> Okay, so the A500 and 386 system have roughly the same price.  That meets
> one of your comparison criteria.  They do not have roughly the same perform-
> ance or capabilities.  You may as well compare 386 systems to component
> stereo systems.

I don't agree with you.  Both of them, in the configurations we are comparing,
are full-fledged personal computer systems.  An A500 with a hard drive and
monitor is most certainly a computer that can be used to satisy most home
computing needs.   Additionally, each system has its own strengths and
weaknesses that make the capabilities issue arguable (in fact, the subject
has been argued repeatedly in this newsgroup).

For example, one of the major strengths of the Amiga is its O/S, which is
more capable than MS-DOS, and smaller and faster than Windows or OS/2.  On
the other hand, the Amiga O/S has some weaknesses as well--e.g., lack of
DIG, memory protection, or VM.

Similarly, the graphics capabilities of the machines can be argued as well--
the speed, integration, and video capabilities of the custom chipset vs. the
high-resolution, high-color capabilities of SVGA.

I think a comparison between the A500 and a 386-clone is legitimate.  Nor,
as I pointed out earlier, does the A500 necessarily lose the comparison--
depending on the user's needs.

I'd be interested in your reasoning as to why you believe they differ so
much in capabilities and performance that no comparison should be made.

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From: chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY)
Subject: Re: PeeCees?!? AAAAAAAAAAAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:54:20 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.233536.11261@seas.gwu.edu> gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY) writes:
>>Or if you say compares to 286, why not go into a 286 mb for $50.00
>
>Wow!  286 megs for only $50!  Kidding...
>
>-- Gerald

mb stands for MotherBoard (mb).
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From: chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY)
Subject: Re: I am giving up on the Amiga
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:21:26 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.000946.6129@seas.gwu.edu> gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>pdb059@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov (Paul Bartholomew) writes:
>>al158305@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Gustavo Cordova Avila) writes:
>>>    COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES!!!
>>
>
>Okay, so the A500 and 386 system have roughly the same price.  That meets
>one of your comparison criteria.  They do not have roughly the same perform-
>ance or capabilities.  You may as well compare 386 systems to component
>stereo systems.
>
>-- Gerald

That's gotta be just a little bit of a joke right?  I mean for the performance
of RAW cpu, a 386 already matches up to a 030 processor, take for example of
Mac ads on their POWERBOOKS, I think I have already posted the ad info before.
Anyways unless your A600 is carrying a 030-16, it wouldn't be at the performance
of a 386SX20.  

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From: mlelstv@spckll.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: I DID giev up on the Amiga!
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:46:18 GMT

In <doctor.017t@k9.UUCP> doctor@k9.UUCP (Paul Broe) writes:
>A similar card for the 2000 would be nice too, though a motherboard upgrade
>would probably be better.

Agreed, a motherboard upgrade would be better... IF that would be as
cheap as the accelerator board. I still like the idea.

Regards,
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From: ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata FSO)
Subject: Re: Commodore and the Osborne Syndrome
Reply-To: ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO)
Organization: HFSI, McLean VA.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:51:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.214807.15050@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>>
>>: Oh, this is BS.  How much would it slow down the machine?  5%?  You wouldn't
>>: even notice that.  A slightly faster CPU would take care of the difference
>>: and then some.
>>
>>Memory protection can and generally DOES slow it down a HELL of a lot
>>more than 5%.  Try 58%.  That was using my friend's MP-added CD-RTOS
>>system.  That gives it MP and resource tracking.  And it was next
>>to unusable.  Sure, it had it, but it was next to unusable.  58,
>>Jerry.  That's enough to go from productive to unproductive in 13.8
>>seconds.
>>
>
>This is INSANE.  What CPU was this implemented on?  Did it have an on-board
>MMU like the 386 or the 68030?  There's NO WAY those CPUs would experience
>that much of a slowdown.  I have a 386, and DOS applications under OS/2
>(full MP) don't run noticeably slower than they do under native DOS.
>Benchmarks indicate a slowdown of a few percent, no more.

Please, before we go off blaming the CPU, there are other factors
that could account for performance degredation in any VM system.
For example, if a system has plenty of physical memory, then
paging will occur rarely, usually at first reference.  If on the
hand, memory is tight, then paging can and will consume a greater
percentage of resources.  Then it becomes a function of other
factors such as how fast your disk is, whether it is DMA, bus
throughput, etc.  For example, paging to floppy would never win
any benchmarks.  Note that I am speaking in generalities here as
this would be true on any VM system.

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From: pdb059@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov (Paul Bartholomew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Games on consoles
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:21:27 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Image Processing Lab

In article <1992Jul23.043044.26864@marlin.jcu.edu.au>, cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
>>>philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
>>>>Who cares about games. These won't be colour systems, and anyway games will
>>>>move off computer platforms within 2 years.
> 
> Don't be too doubtful about this.  I skimmed an Amiga Format magazine
> in the newsagency the other day and there was an editoral comment on how
> the Amiga was in trouble (remember this is a British mag.).  Amiga games
> are only selling 6-7000 copies despite the number of Amigas being greater
> than 3 million.  Piracy is the problem, and games for consoles are selling
> more copies, hence many developers are leaving the Amiga even in the
> games market.  

Still, the posting said that games would move off all computer platforms,
not just the Amiga, within 2 years.  Frankly, I don't believe this will
happen to the IBM clone world.  I would very much like to know Mr.
McDunnough's reasoning in this matter.

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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  DEC/Commodore Agreement
Distribution: world
Date: 23 Jul 92 10:56:46 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Jul22.122740.3822@cs.olemiss.edu> skip@cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>In article <9402@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul20.145823.24015@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY) writes:
>>>>he visited a friend of his (I  know, I know, this sounds far fetched, but
>>>>it will become clear) at work. His friend worked for DEC. Now, he said
>>>>that the dude was working on an Clayton's AMiga 3000, that is, an Amiga 3000
>> >>with a DEC badge on it. 
>> >
>> >I haven't seen this yet, but DEC already has PCs with DEC badges on them.
>> >The lower end machines have the same cases as the Tandy PCs.
>>
>>And DEC Germany uses and sells PCs that remind me very much of Commodore PCs
>>:-)
>
>So Commodore's PCs are really re-badged Tandys?  :-)

In the US, DEC sells relabeled Tandy and Intel PCs.  In Europe, DEC sells
relabeled Commodore and I believe Olivetti PCs.

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		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root

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From: epang@fraser.sfu.ca (Eugene Pang)
Subject: Re: TOS - Did they ever fix it
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 02:24:20 GMT

catapcnl@Rose-Hulman.Edu. (Chris Lawrence) writes:
>Did they ever fix that crap in Atari's TOS about those Line A and Line F  
>op-codes (for the unininitiated - Atari uses (used?) illegal (on the 68000)  
>instructions (that triggered software exceptions) to call many system
>routines.   

Don't know.  It has its good and bad points.

Good:
  1) Much better at making ROM entry points opaque to the programmer
  2) Can trap function calls not implemented yet in an older o.s. release
     (but then proper programs should check the o.s. version right?)

Bad:
  1) Overhead of exception processing

>Anyways, this wasn't a *great* idea - TOS bombed on the advanced processors  
>that used these instructions, and therefore killed off much development with  
>advanced processors)?

Apple wouldn't think so...Macs use the same method for calling system
routines, and they've managed to keep 3rd party development with '020s etc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY)
Subject: Re: I am not giving up on the Amiga
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:32:01 GMT

In article <mykes.0all@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>In article <192383@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov> pdb059@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov (Paul Bartholomew) writes:
>> In article <mykes.0ahv@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG>, mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>> > In article <1992Jul28.012830.12748@seas.gwu.edu> gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>>
>> >> What are some other good X applications?  I need to see if we can get
>> >> some at work.
>>
>> > OK all you Unix/X guys out there.  Let's start a list.  I'll start it off,
>> > you can add to the end :)
>> >
>> > 1.	FrameMaker
>> > 2.	XGuide
>> > 3.	XRn
>>
>> You asked for it:
>>
>
>Yeah I asked for it...
>
>[ about 5,000 quality titles deleted... ]
>
>ANd if you bought 1% of those titles, it would cost more than the friggin'
>machine :)
>

But we can look at it this way, at least they are available.

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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: I am not giving up on the Amiga
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:02:08 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>
>There are TWO Elan boards and we aren't talking about the same one.  I refer
>to the Elan board for the Indigo.  You refer to the Elan board for the Crimson.
>I'll bring home the SGI docs I got last week and type in the figures they
>claim for the Indigo Elan.  I do remember the machine cost $24,000, which is
>about 4x more than the $6K the Amiga/GVP/EGS combo costs.  The Indigo Elan
>does not do 1,000,000 vectors per second...
>

Sure does.  I have it right in front of me, on the "Periodic Table of the
IRISes".  The Indigo and Crimson Elan boards have the same performance, but
the two machines have different buses, so there are two different boards.

>
>Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
>
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From: dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Colors VS. Greys
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:11:46 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook

In article <dano.711955078@srl01> dano@srl01.usl.edu (Dan Stephenson) writes:
>kevint@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Kevin Taddeucci) writes:
>>     C= uses bright colors for 1.3:                           PEOPLE BITCH!
>>     C= uses greys for 2.0:                                   PEOPLE BITCH!
>>     C= allows users to set any combination from 4096 colors: PEOPLE BITCH!
>>     
>>     Bottom line:   WHAT'S TO BITCH ABOUT!
>
>Nothing, as far as I can see.
>Configuability is one of the GREAT things about OS/2 2.0, for example.
>
>Dan Stephenson|das9674@usl.edu masres10@ucs.usl.edu dano@srl01.cacs.usl.edu

	My WB 2.0 favorite setting is the Wine preset on a hi-res interlace
screen with 16 colors which are shades of grey (for my HAM pictures that were
reduced to 80x50 pixels for application icons). Sometimes however I like to 
use Productivity mode because it has a higher vertical resolution for DTP,
and looks nice with the Pewter color preset. And I like to use the SuperHiRes
mode when doing video titiling with the Ocean color preset. 

	What were you saying about OS 2.0 being configurable? I wouldn't
know, all I have is Workbench 2.0 and some Preferences programs.
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From: dano@srl01.usl.edu (Dan Stephenson)
Subject: Re: Amiga Future?!?
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 03:23:25 GMT

dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:

>In article <1992Jul23.020111.8441@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>>In article <1100@se.alcbel.be> magu@se.alcbel.be writes:
>>>
>>>
>>   Commodore controls the sources to the OS.  Commodore controls the layouts
>>and internal specs for thecustom chips.  Without both of these, no Amiga
>>clones are possible.
>>
>>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu

>	Marc, do you really believe this is why? Are you saying that IBM
>clone companies must have access to OS code and internal chip specs? He
>didn't say that some company should redesign the custom chips and reprogram
>the OS; he merely said they should make Amiga compatibles.

There would be no profit in engaging in the HUGE effort of making new
chips
and a AmigaDOS-compatible OS.  THAT'S why.  That's what Marc meant.

>	Such as the Newer Technology portable. Or the Rejuvinator board. Or
>numerous arcade games. The rules are clear; you can make an Amiga compatible
>as long as you don't include CBM's custom chips, which must be bought
>separately. I believe CBM once stated that clones are acceptable if an A500
>is purchased in addition to the clone (for the custom chips).

But I thought the chips were VERY key to making an Amiga an Amiga and
not a Mac...

>	CBM should OEM CPU's to third party companies such as GVP and DMI,
>to make graphics workstations.

Hmm, I don't think the WANT to create competition.

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From: bender@oobleck (Duke of Canterbury)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,rec.video.production
Subject: Re: The future of the Amiga is clear
Date: 30 Jul 1992 10:36:54 GMT
Organization: SPARK's R US
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ksalper@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Ken Alper) writes:
: 
:   I know this isn't the right arena for this, but it's not like we get THAT
:   many posts over here...

Sure, it's the right group - heck, on USENET, *ANY* group is the right group
for an opinion :-)

:   Have you stopped to consider that Ross Perot would have absolutely no 
:   support from either the republican or democrat side of Congress?

Nope, been too busy setting up my ProLogic Surround Sound system.

: Have you stopped to consider that he has absolutely NO experience in this
: sort of thing? Have you stopped to consider that he has made outright
: lies (The EDS anti-beard policy, for instance) when proof that he was
: lying was very easily obtainable? 

I don't know what *PROOF* there was on the anti-beadr policy, but I DO know
that there is proof that the anti-alias policy used by the standards
converters on NBC's Olympic feed is suspect.  Maybe the NBC chief engineer
has a beard, and he needs a trim?

:   If Ross Perot really wants to change America, why doesn't he run for
:   Congress, or even Governor of Texas, and spend four years proving his
:   dedication and value?

Cause he can't get the level right on his center dialog speaker, that's
why.  Ross is probably using an Adcom ProLogic decoder, instead of a good
Lexicon or Dolby unit.  Adcom, as anyone familiar with H. Ross' campaign
knows, has a *HORRENDOUS* phase shift around 7kHz, which makes listening to
the audio program on ST:TNG painfull, to say the least.

:   In the meantime, George Bush is not and has never been an option for me.

I hear you, brother, or should I say, I *SEE* you, brother, because we all
know that the Kitchen Sync, the dual TBC for the Amiga, has trouble with the
chroma phase on channel two when you try to lock both TBCs to house sync.
It's sad, but unfortunately, true.

:   Justice Harry Blackmun is 83 years old.

I'm 29, and beginning to feel the years of hacking already.

:   The United Staes of America cannot afford another conservative justice at
:   this point in time.

Especially one that refuses to push for an all-digital HDTV standard.  This
HD-MAC crap HAS to GO, if you ask me.

:   CLINTON IN '92.

That's when my DMV renewal comes up as well for my motorcycle; thanks for
the reminder.

:   (if you really want to keep talking about this, do it by E-mail, since
:   this has nmothing to do with TV.

Sure it does - I saw Clinton on TV the other day...

mike

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