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From: 00rdharringt@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: 200 years of Peace and Friendship
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:15:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr2.161231@mark.enet.dec.com>, holohan@mark.enet.dec.com (Mark Holohan) writes:
> 
> The actual text is: 
> 1844 - The British land grab into the Oregon territory became a
> political issue.  Polk's cry of "54-40 or fight" stirred Americans once
> again to fight the British to preserve our national borders.
> 

But it wasn't ours to begin with.  The Oregon territory was claimed by 
US, Britain, and Russia.  Russia finally decided it was too far away to
bitch about and gave up their claim.  It was not owned by the United States.
It was not part of the United States.  The Oregon territory was jointly
claimed by both US and Britain.  Britain had a legitimate claim to it and
that is why they ended up with half.

Also if it "stirred Americans once again to fight the British to preserve
our national borders" why didn't we fight for it?  Mainly because we knew
we couldn't have it all.  What you are talking about is Manifest Destiny.
A concept so screwed up we thought we owned everything!

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll)
Subject: Re: Canada and the U.S.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 02:10:16 GMT

In article <anne.703455837@menaik> anne@cs.UAlberta.CA (Anne J.R. Nield) writes:
>
>If what you mean by reciprocal is, can British citizens emigrate to
>Canada and after three years' residence apply for citizenship -- yes.
>
>It used to be that the British had MORE rights than other immigrants
>(ie, did not have to be Canadian citizens to vote; did not have to
>go through a "swearing-in" ceremony to become a Canadian citizen.)
>That is no longer the case.  The rules are the same for everyone
>-- in theory at least!!

	An oddity about the swearing-in ceremony, at least in the 1970s
when my father became a Canadian citizen, is that one is given the choice
of a selection of bibles. Since my father was an atheist, he felt it would
display unseeming prejudice to choose *one* version over the others, so
he took one of each type, a choice the officials were not happy with, 
but which was within the rules as presented.

							James Nicoll 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.canada
From: irvine@en.ecn.purdue.edu (B-rent)
Subject: Canadians and Americans
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 20:03:56 GMT


	I heard that due to 'Canadian Content Regulations' on Radio
and TV (Gotta Love that 'Much Music' drivel....:) almost as bad as
MTV...:) ) Bryan Adams, Rush were considered non-Canadian since some
songs were produced or some phase of their production was 'contaminated
by Americans.'  While Bonnie Raitt was considered to be Canadian music
because her songwriter or producer of some such was Canadian.

	Kind of Strange, really.  

(If anyone wants to see the non difference between Canadians and Americans
head to Clearwater Beach, FL around October-January.  The whole Toronto 
area lives there in the winter! :) )
-- 
Brent Irvine						irvine@ecn.purdue.edu 
 
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From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Don't be misled!!!
Date: 9 Apr 92 04:14:55 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

In article <1992Apr8.055813.18794@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
>In article <1992Apr07.020832.22940@medsys.rn.com>, bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System) writes:
><In article <1992Apr4.090623.10819@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
><
 ......
>
>Your number is way off.  In any case, I find it curious that people like you
>never fail to bring up the Great Leap Forward but always try to cover up all
>the many great achievements of Mao and the PRC.
>
Actually we did, from 1949 to 1979 we praised the great success of CCP
almost everyday, whether it was good or bad.

I'm sorry, you miss the good old days. Wish you were with us.

>					--Scott
>
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.canada
From: anne@cs.UAlberta.CA (Anne J.R. Nield)
Subject: Re: Canada and the U.S.
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:44:49 GMT














>But can Indians and Africans (who aren't white) also emigrate to Britain
>and become citizens?


Of course they can!  I don't where this idea got started.  I am British
born and have East Indian and West Indian friends who are now
British citizens.  They immigrate and after the required residence
time has elapsed can apply for citizenship.  Just what I did in
Canada!!

You may be mistaking the "automatic" British passport situation for this
one.  It USED to be that residents of the "colonies" (Uganda is a good
case in point) were AUTOMATICALLY considered British CITIZENS without
any residence requirements.  I believe that is no longer the case.
But anyone is free to immigrate there, within the usual immigration
rules, and apply for citizenship.  Whether or not the immigration
regulations discriminate on the basis of race, colour, creed, etc.,
is another issue -- and EXACTLY the same as it would be in Canada and
the United States.

Good grief -- I'm beginning to feel like I've wandered into a meeting
of the Flat Earth Society!!

Anne

>Charlie
From: jsast@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Jonathan S. Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: [SOC] Social Problem
Date: 17 Apr 92 07:06:46 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


You know, the one problem I never hear talked about anymore is the national
energy policy.  Let's face it folks, one of the major reasons we have such
a good standard of living is because of our access to cheap energy sources.
Those same sources, however, are both finite and a major pollutant.  The
United States is going to be facing a serious problem which will set our
society on it's ear in a few years, and I see very little being done
about it.  I cannot even begin to consider the MASSIVE cultural adjustments
needed to do something like lessen our dependence on petroleum products.
I would say the lack of a real energy policy is probably one of the biggest
social issues facing the US today, even though it is no longer in the
forefront of media attention.  Any thoughts?

-Jon Anderson


  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  ><>  
  Jon Anderson                                      jsast@unix.cis.pitt.edu
      "Won't you look down upon me Jesus, you gotta help me make a stand,
       You've just got to see me through another day.
       My body's aching and my time is at hand,
       And I won't make it any other way. "                 -James Taylor
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Xref: sparky alt.tasteless:4685 soc.culture.usa:2945
From: case@diku.dk (Steven Kj{r Snedker)
Newsgroups: alt.tasteless,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Gee Mom, ah wish ah had a Ronald MacDonald Clown Mask
Keywords: soc.culture.plastic, alt.legal-system.parody, my boys lollipop
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:20:07 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

case@diku.dk (Steven Kj{r Snedker) writes:

[ramble about a parody of a trial against Judas Priest deleted]

On a related note, I wish the stupid young men hadn't been Judas Priest
fans. I would much rather that they had been rich doctors, shooting 
themselves after listening to Mozarts Requiem.

"And I put it to you, Mr. Mozart, that Requiem thing has hidden messages
talking to peoples subconciousness, subliminal persuasion, as the experts
call it. You are responsible of the deaths of two fine men!"

"And the line 'Fortuna Mortem'? How do you explain that?"

Poor, dead Wolfgang would have a hard time defending himself.

Yet, somehow it seems logical that people with only half a brain, should only
want half the art to be legal, thus only having half a culture reflecting 
half a life. Their 'edited fo prime time' excuse for a life. Pathetic.

-Steven

On a even more related note, Berlin Kunsthalles new exhibition is an exact
replica of a 1937 nazi art show, where all the 'forbidden, unsound, ungerman
etc.' art was shown along with mocking, hysteric nazipropoganda.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.usa:2993 soc.culture.canada:3473
From: pac9897@zeus.tamu.edu (SMELLS LIKE JOHN MAJOR....)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Canada and the U.S.
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:37:00 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.usa
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr15.125804.7115@cl.cam.ac.uk>, 
iaf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Innes Ferguson) writes...

>Canadians can emigrate to Britain, work here, and qualify for
>British citizenship after 3 years.
> 
>Check your facts.
>Innes

Tell me please, is this arrangement reciprocal?

Philip A. Carney		On Exchange from Lancaster University,
Texas A&M University, TX	England.

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"The lust for power is rooted not in strength, but in weakness..." - Erich Fromm
From: benedejc@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrej Benedejcic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Adolf Hitler, the great german
Date: 13 Apr 92 06:44:15 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <117480003@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> reykja@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Reykja Sigurdsson) writes:
>Is this supposed to be a joke? 
>  **Hitler** was a great man? Actually, WWII would have been won if he had
>left his generals to do their job. He couldn't stop interfering and screwed
>the whole thing up!! 

What kind of crap is this?  Anyone who has read anything about military
history knows that the German generals opposed Hitler's annexation of 
Sudetenland.  Similarly, they disagreed with the way he planned the 
attack on France.  Indeed, the only thing in which the German generals
excelled was fighting *defensive* warfare.  This kind of expertise,
however, does not lead to world domination.

Regards,

Andrej

 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.usa:3016 soc.culture.vietnamese:4929 talk.abortion:15651
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 19:34:31 CDT
From: Nhu Y Tran <U54255@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.vietnamese,talk.abortion
Subject: [SOC] Social Problem

Hi all,

I am writing an article for my school newspaper, and I want to hear some
of your opinion about what I am about to write.
Please be truthful, and consistence.
Thank you

Nhu Y


Here is the question:

Suppose that our new President want to solve one of our many
social problems.
He/she wants US to decide which problem to focus on and to develop a plan
for solving it.

In order for he/she able to understand your point, you need to write
to her a memo which

1) Explain WHY you chose this particular social problem
2) Describe the CAUSES of the problem
3) Describe YOUR PLAN for solving it
4) Where should we get the money for solving that social problem
   (from what source? Increase taxes? Budget cut? Borrow the money??? )


Please send your respond and opinion to me ( u54255@uicvm.uic.edu )
Remember... this is just a topic of an article that I am about to write.

Thank you for your time.
From: CS19244174L@lust1.latrobe.edu.au (TAN, ANDREW)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Info on UniKansas, Lawrence (if it exists...)
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:56:22 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

Hi there reader,
	
	I'm making some enquiries on the existance of a university in 
Kansas. I think that its in Lawrence (but the only thing there seems to
be the house of C Users' Journal). 

	If you, or anyone you know, posesses info on this mysterious 
instituition, please reply!!

	Thanx-in-advance...

						**TROUBLE**
						(TAN, Andrew)

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.usa:3004 soc.culture.canada:3490 rec.arts.comics.strips:983
From: csi056@cch.coventry.ac.uk (WEG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.canada,rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Comic Strips -- American Cultural Imperialism over Canada
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:49:28 GMT
Organization: abUSENET, Coventry Polytechnic, Coventry, UK

In article <srheault.703289777@cunews> srheault@alfred.carleton.ca (Steven Rheault Kihara) writes:
>In <1992Apr14.211348.16938@bmerh2.bnr.ca> nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau) writes:
>Canada has already successfully
>>>>applied Canadian content regulations to music, so why not
>>>>apply it to comic strips?
>>>
>>>  Because it's a bad idea, that's why.
>
>>Why?
>
>>  Has the result been the growth of a mediocre Canadian musical
>>industry?
>
>Yes, it most emphatically has.

I agree. That bloody Robin Hood song by Brian Adams spent 15 weeks at No. 1
in the music charts here. The song is crap!

WEG
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.usa:2809 soc.culture.china:12478
From: bbs@medsys.rn.com (Public BBS System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Don't be misled!!!
Date: 7 Apr 92 02:08:32 GMT
Reply-To: bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System)
Organization: Med-Systems, Kingsport, Tennessee

In article <1992Apr4.090623.10819@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>
>Not that the Nationalists weren't corrupt, because they were, but
>"Liberation"?  Yes, Mao really liberated China.
>

That is correct. During the Great Leap Forward period, twenty million
Chinese were liberated from this world to heaven.

Chou1
Xref: sparky soc.culture.usa:2895 alt.pagan:4577
From: pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Chocolate bunnies, colored eggs, and Easter
Keywords: another wierd custom
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:05:35 GMT

In article <1992Mar31.031654.2020@cbfsb.cb.att.com> wa2ise@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (robert.f.casey) writes:
>Well, it's almost time for Easter.  And chocolate bunnies, colored chicken
>eggs, plastic "grass" in baskets, and such.  When you think about it,
>Easter is a religious holiday, and why does a rabbit go around hiding
>colored chicken eggs for kids to find, anyway?  This doesn't seem to make
>any sense.  Does anyone know where this concept of the Easter Bunny came
>from?

The Christian holiday of Easter was overlaid on top of the already existing
and much older holiday of the celebration of the spring equinox. The spring
equinox signals the return of summer, the season of re-birth in the temperate
climates. Rabbits and eggs are symbols of fertility, symbolic of the returning
fertility of the earth. Another example of this is Christmas, which was overlaid
onto the celebration of the winter solstice. The evergreen has the power of
staying green through the winter, so it is a symbol that spring will come again
and winter will be short. Halloween, (near the fall equinox), is supposed to be 
the day we remember the dead, (with respect), and is a joyous holiday in many 
cultures. 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: chuan@milton.u.washington.edu (Chuan Lee)
Subject: murder or insanity
Followup-To: chuan@milton.u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 08:01:26 GMT

I just watched 15 minutes of the 48-Hours program (CBS) tonight which
talked about "murder or insanity".

I have some questions:  How is one determined to be insane or otherwise?
Can one pretend to be insane in a psychiatric test?

Chuan Lee
From: jpr1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (James P. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Comic Strips -- American Cultural Imperialism over Canada
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:28:09 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Apr8.004312.1600@cs.sfu.ca>, jamie@cs.sfu.ca (Jamie Andrews) wri
tes:
>
>     Well, there is one strip by a Canadian that I know about:
>_For Better or Worse_, by Lynn Johnson.  But although I don't
>think she refers to the USA, I have never seen any references to
>Canada in that strip.
>
>--Jamie.
>  jamie@cs.sfu.ca
>

And a fine strip it is!

That and "Calvin and Hobbes" are far and away the best two strips on the
page.  I'd write her myself and tell her so but I bet she gets tons more
fan mail than she knows what to do with.

See you on the net,

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: jrs@panix.com (Jon Saxton)
Subject: US Federal Government Offices?
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:30:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC


Is there a central information office somewhere for the US Government?

Suppose I wanted to find the Office of Deliberate Misunderstanding or the
Department of Miscellaneous Meanderings?  Maybe I could look up a telephone
directory if I knew the state and city in which the offices are located
but I don't.  Besides, the ODM might actually be a part of the Department
of Raucous Laughter but how would I know that?

I looked in the NY telephone directory but that wasn't particularly helpful.
Surely someone out there in NetLand knows?

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.usa:2972 soc.culture.canada:3434
From: steinar@faust.solan.unit.no (Cindy Kandolf)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Canada and the U.S.
Date: 15 Apr 92 10:04:35 GMT
	<1992Apr14.154918.6610@noao.edu>
	<1992Apr14.182046.2896@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Organization: Flodnak, Inc., Trondheim, Norway

>>> and > = Charles Thorne
>> = Beatrice Muller

>>>Western Europe as well doesn't allow their former workers to become citizens
>>>unless they're European by birth.
>
>>Nonsense! Where did you get that information from?
>
>West Germany has consistently allowed Turks, Hungarians and other non Germans
>to enter the country only for the purpose of working at jobs that Germans canno\t fill.  When the job crisis is over, the "foreigners" are required to leave,
>along with their families.
>
>In addition, both Britain and France have excluded people who were citizens
>of their colonies from emigrating back to their home country after the
>colonial days were over.

This doesn't mean "Western Europe" doesn't allow people who are not
European by birth to become citizens.  In the first place "Western
Europe" is composed of many more countries than Germany, Britain, and
France, and each of those countries has its own immigration policy.
Norway's immigration policy is definitely NOT the most liberal, but
once you get in and stay in for seven years (and don't get kicked out
for commiting a crime, or whatever), you can apply to become a citizen
regardless of your background.

In the second place Hungarians _are_ Europeans.  If Germany is denying them
citizenship, then it would be denying all "Gastarbeider" the right to
become citizens, not just the non-Europeans.

And in the third place, the Britain and France example is just showing
that, if they couldn't have the glories of the empire anymore, they
were washing their hands of the problems, too.  That's chauvinistic to
my mind, and selfish, too.  But it isn't directly a prejudice against
non-Europeans becoming citizens.  

I know little to nothing about the immigration policies of Germany, 
Britain, and France, so i can't go into further detail.  I am just
using Mr. Thorne's statements and assuming they are true.

-Cindy Kandolf
 cindy@solan.unit.no
 Trondheim, Norway
From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Canada and the U.S.
Date: 17 Apr 92 09:55:58 GMT
Reply-To: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG
Originator: kevinh@nath


In article <1992Apr16.073612.10137@agora.uucp>, robart@agora.uucp (Robert Barton) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr15.135608.23539@kub.nl> dleblanc@kub.nl (David Leblanc) writes:
|> >
|> >I just can't figure out this idea everyone has that if Japan would
|> >just open its borders to imports all the trade problems would be
|> >solved. I mean, come on, how in the world do you expect Japan to
|> >consume as many US products as the US does Japanese - the country is a
|> >fraction of the size of the US. 
|> 
|> 
|>   That fraction being about 40-50%, hardly insignificant.

Ahh, you have different maps in the US then :-)

kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa