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From: amc@crash.wpd.sgi.com (Allan Mc Naughton)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: TREK FOR SALE
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:23:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: dragon.j7f70ng
Distribution: ba
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Mountain View, CA


Trek 750 Multi-Track
	- SunTour XCE w/X-press components
	- 21" frame
	- 700x35C Multi-Track tires
	- Black+White
	- Only 1 year old
	
Cost $500 new.  Selling for $300.

Allan
415-962-3464 [work]
415-858-2115 [home]
From: etxorst@eos.ericsson.se (Torsten Lif)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: 27 inch vs. 700C availability?
Date: 6 Apr 92 07:55:03 GMT
Reply-To: etxorst@eos.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB

In article 16190221@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM, sharp@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Darrin Sharp) writes:
>
>	What is the current availability of non-metric sized wheels,
>	tires, and tubes in your country? I'm thinking specifically
>	of the 27 inch wheel/tire/tube combos that come/came with many
>	road bikes sold in the USA. Is this/Was this combination ever
>	sold anywhere else, or has 700C always been the standard outside
>	the US?

622 mm rims ("700C") are much more popular in most parts of continental
Europe (and peninsular parts like Scandinavia :-). I believe your (=
American) penchant for 630 mm (27") rims is rooted in the old British
empire while the 622 dimension is sometimes referred to as "French".

Anyway, up here in the cold north, you *can* get 28-630 and 32-630
(1 1/8" and 1 1/4" 700C) tires at most bike shops but they might be
Taiwanese Cheng-Shin which at $8 USD per tire are quite cheap but
probably not what you'd prefer. For Panaracers (the most common
"quality" brand) you need to go to more "up-scale" stores and they're
about 5 times more likely to have 700C dimensions than 27" (judging
from the problems I had finding 27" tires for the rear wheel of my
'bent before I got a 700C for it).

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From: hejl@ssd.dl.nec.com (Mike Hejl)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Help! Tall rider looking for big frame!
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:53:03 GMT
Organization: NEC America, Switching Systems Division

In article <1510320@hpsad.sad.hp.com> jpat@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Jeff Patterson) writes:
>According to the article in last months _Bicycling_ magazine on bicycle fit
>the proper frame size is given  by the formula inseam * .66 (.65 for racing).

Well, I for one can't live comfortably with this formula - I *have* tried.  I
have to max out the seat post and use a long stem (like 130mm) to feel
comfortable.  Worse, when changing to a "short" saddle (like a Regal or
Flite), I can't get the seat post high enough even with a 175 crankset.
(I'm most comfortable with the 1.09*inseam pedal to seat height formula).

According to the formula, I need a 58c (c-c) frame but I am much more
comfortable on a 60.  Difference in frame flex in the BB and rear triangle
isn't noticable but the 60 does seem to absorb more road shock given the
same tubing and geometry.

I also prefer the seat positioned a little rearward of the "formula" (ie.
kneecap directly over pedal axle...) and more relaxed angles like 73/73.

Gee, I remember 15+ years ago when the sizing philosophy dictated a 62c frame
for me.  In fact, my first REAL bike was a 25" Dawes 531 with a *long*
wheelbase (42"!) and 73 head/72 seat angles (more like todays touring frames)
with, of course, a Brooks saddle. Most comfortable bike I have ever ridden.

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From: kpalm@athena.qualcomm.com (Kent Palm)
Subject: Re: Clincher tire opinions sought
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:22:52 GMT

I got a deal on Conti Super Sport Ultras, so I swapped my Conti Grand Prix
which was on the front with the Super Sport.  Big mistake!  Handling suffered
dramatically.  No contest.  The Grand Prix was superior by far.  The Super
Sport works as good, if not better, than the Grand Prix on the rear tire.
I immediately put a Grand Prix on the front again and haven't changed since.
I'm now running the Super Sport on the rear.  The nice thing about having
a slick on the rear is that when riding early morning hours, when there is
still dew on the streets, the rear tire will slide a little bit before the
front tire does.  This gives you a little warning of when to ease up on the
turn instead of having your front tire sliding out.
From: brianz@sturgis.Corp.Sun.COM (Brian Zavatsky)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: suspension advice
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:27:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: jethro.kuud62INNf7c
Reply-To: brianz@sturgis.Corp.Sun.COM
Distribution: na
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: sturgis.corp.sun.com



i'am looking into front suspensions and the two that iam most
interested in are the SCOTT and the TANGE, any info or experiences
you might be able to pass on to me is appreciated.

i'am not interested in any oil/air suspensions.

TIA,

bz
From: nick@jksclub.scol.pa.us (Nick Simpson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Vegtarion shoes??  Is that it??
Date: 12 Apr 92 17:18:09 GMT
Organization: The Clubhouse, Bellefonte, PA

consicence??   You are obviously a cyclist.  YUCK!!!  You should get into 
Mountain Biking.  Of course there are some set backs...like if you don't 
have mountains to bike.  Oh Well.    C-ya later!!
From: dittrich@sal-sun80.usc.edu (Matt Dittrich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Vegetarian seeks biking shoes
Date: 13 Apr 1992 17:20:21 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun80.usc.edu

In article <freshair.702839238@vincent1.iastate.edu> freshair@iastate.edu (James W Gregory) writes:
>In <1992Apr9.022854.8661@slc.com> marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie) writes:
>
>>Is it okay to wear shoes made from the leather of critters that died of 
>>natural causes?
>
>Is it okay to wear shoes made from the skins of humans that died of
>natural causes?
>

My initial reaction would be negative.  Leather is much thicker and, 
therefore, more durable than human skin.  Think about it.  Motorcyclists
wear leather to protect their own skin.  If they simply wore another 
layer of human skin, very little additional protection would be offered.
Similarly, shoes made from human skin would probably wear out very quickly
and get holes from crashes.  But socks on the other hand.....
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From: dchoi@physics.berkeley.edu (David Choi)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Wanted:  Panniers & Racktrunk
Date: 11 Apr 1992 01:40:30 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu
Originator: dchoi@physics

I just got a rear rack and would like to buy some used panniers.  I would
prefer the Nashbar "Townies" type of panniers with the open tops for 
groceries, but if you have some (one or a pair) panniers you'd like to sell
please let me know.

I'd also like to get racktrunk.  Again, if you'd like to sell, please send
me email.  

Thanks.


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From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
Subject: Re: Touring equipment: tents
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 02:32:26 GMT

Jeff Walberg (jeffw2@cfsmo.honeywell.com) writes:

> Carlos Martin (martin@morticia.princeton.edu) writes:

> >Additionally, I would appreciate any info/feedback on the
> >Sierra Designs Clip Flashlight and Eureka (?) Cirrus 2 
> >tents from anyone who has used them.

> I found that many of the two-man tents (the Clip Flashlight and all of
> the North Face models in particular) were so confining as to be
> undesirable.  The Clip-3 is wider and taller than the Flashlight, yet
> still weighs in under 5 lbs (4 lbs, 14 oz I believe) and packs
> surprisingly compactly.  It also has "no seeum" mesh panels in the roof,
> entry, and foot which are great for ventilation.  I really have nothing
> but good things to say about it and am very happy with my purchase. 

Ditto. I haven't carried the tent on a bike yet, but I've carried it in a
backpack. It has slept three people during 40-MPH winds, and has been
through a monstrous rain/hail storm. Both experiences were gratifying. The
tent survived the wind fine, and all possessions stayed reasonably dry.
It's light and strong, and very roomy for two people and gear.

    Marc San Soucie
    Portland, Oregon
    marcs@slc.com
From: tjensen@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (todd.r.jensen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Triathletes anyhow
Date: 17 Apr 92 13:52:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr16.220824.24859@midway.uchicago.edu> N.W. Choe <nwc1@midway.uchicago.edu> writes:
>Now, Larry, don't take this personally.
>
>It's been my experience that a lot of triathletes don't do road races
>because they don't like the feeling of being boxed in going around turns
>at 30mph. This is fine. However, I would like to point out that the
>reason that they fear this is because they often do not HAVE the handling
>skills necessary. It's a catch-22, since it's hard to learn the skills
>without racing. Anyhow, what I'm saying is that the worst squirrels that
>I know are triathloners. Well, they have strength, a singleminded ability
>to go solo, but smooth line? No.
>
>
>*        	*      	*      	*      	*
>N.W. Choe
>nwc1@midway.uchicago.edu
>Beaver Consulting Co. Chicago

This year I decided to become a trigeek and give up my promising
USCF career :^).  Last year I was racing only USCF during the spring
before I made the plunge into multisport events.  Every race (Cat 3 and 4)
usually had one or two spectacular crashes, people passing in the corners,
people sprinting with their heads down, everyone yelling at everyone else,
most people just wanting to suck wheel until the final sprint, ect.

I found the racing negative and decided the risks outweighed the benefits
for me.  I wasn't scared because I didn't have the necessary skills, but
rather because half of the squirrely pack didn't.  I want to race
because I like being competetive, but also because I want to live a
healthy lifestyle.  Broke bones and road rash don't fit that bill.

Triathlons give me that competetive output, I worry only about my own
bike handling skills, the other competitors are usually more friendly
and helpful, and I get a better tan line wearing a speedo :^).  I still
ride with local cyclists to hone my handling skills in fast pacelines,
but these rides are safer because their no big money prize at the
end of the ride.

Todd Jensen                                  o
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From: EASTON@SJFEVMX.VNET.IBM.COM ("John Easton")
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Avoiding airline charges
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:23:30 GMT

While instigating how to avoid airline shipping charges, for
transporting an MTB, I noticed an advertisement in the latest Bicycling
issue (pg 156). The association US Amateur offers a $74.95 annual
membership.  This membership entitles you to reduced airfare, hotel and
rental rates.  They also state that airlines carriers will allow you bike
to fly free, if you have this membership.

Is anyone familiar with the US Amateur membership?  Do airlines
actually waive the bike transportation cost if you are a member?



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From: weird@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.t.erhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Car vs Cycle vs Bike vs Ped--The Main Point
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:03:55 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <180917@pyramid.pyramid.com> lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
>>Richard Ottolini writes:


>     No Les, he said BASIC stuff....disobedience of asinine speed
>     laws is a civic DUTY, not a violation of law.

Nice attitude.  So I guess that means that if you didn't get caught you'd
go 70mph down every street, right?

>
>
>      Going from the ability and willingness to stay on the correct
>      side of the road, stopping at stop signs, etc. to speed laws
>      is a pretty big stretch.
>
>      Besides, one would bet that the obedience is more due to
>      visibility.  Biker's CAN'T speed...and cars are a bit more
>      conspicuous cruising down the wrong side of the road.
>
What?  Cyclists can't speed?  I'm in training to become a REAL cyclists (TM)
and let me tell you I've exceeded the speed limit quite a few times.
Where do you think we all get up to 50 or 60mph, on express ways?  What
about sprints, or interval training?  Or when I'm pissed at a car for honking
at me, I'll try to catch it.  
>
John Erhardt
From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Kestrel advice wanted
Keywords: Kestrel, advice, wanted
Date: 17 Apr 92 05:43:20 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

>>I went for titanum because I think it will last much longer, is as
>>comfortable and as stiff and has good handling (Merlin).
>
>I would like to point out that a frame choice is purely personal.  A steel
>frame will weight 1 to 2 lb more and ...

Here are the weights of frames minus forks from some 2 year old road tests:

Serotta Colorado II (64cm)  5lb 4oz
Klein (63cm)                4lb 4oz
Kestrel 4000 (60cm)         4lb 0.5oz (can't round)
Merlin (61cm)               3lb 12oz

And more recently:

Bontrager RACE lite (15")   3lb 14oz (steel-ATB)

I`m pretty amazed!  Yes, I'm comparing a smaller Bontrager to the Merlin
but it's probably only off by 2 sizes.  

Dan Jones
From: budn@hpmwtd.HP.COM (Bud Noren)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:40:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Light Bike Seats
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD). - Santa Rosa, Ca.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi) writes:

>Although I realize that seat choice is a subjective matter, I'd like to 
>get some feedback from people who have used the new seats like Flite, 
>Flite Carbon, Titanio, or Turbomatic.  I want to use a light seat on my 
>track bike but I'm worried because this nike transmits shocks like crazy 
>and there are no smooth velodomes to be had near me.  If people could 
>compare these saddles to the current favorites like Rolls, Regal, or 
>Turbo perhaps I can make the right choice.  Thanks in advance for any 
>replies.

I've been using a Flite saddle now for nearly a year.  Prior to that
I'd always used a Selle Italia Turbo.  The shape of the Flite is, as
nearly as I can see, congruent to the Turbo, but a bit smaller.  The
narrower Flite saddle causes your weight to be supported on s slightly
different part of your 'sit bones' (ischial tuberosities?).  It took
a while to adjust to that and even now, after all this time, it does
not feel quite as comfortable to me as the Turbo.  But it's close 
enough.

Two other things about the Flight saddle:  It doesn't flare up much in
the back.  If you like to push with your butt against the back of the
saddle, there isn't much there to push against.  Also, it is a short
saddle.  I mean that the distance from the rails to the top of the 
saddle is small.  I had to raise my seatpost nearly 1 cm when I switched
from the Turbo to the Flight.  If your are currently at your seatpost
max, watch out for this - you may need a longer seatpost.

I haven't noticed any difference in the shock absorbing qualities of this
saddle vs. the Turbo.  The compliance is probably dominated by whatever
padding there is rather than the metal rail composition.

Good luck,

-Bud
From: IK80014@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Andrew Paradis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Name that sound
Date: 6 Apr 92 06:00:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: MAINE.92097.020016IK80014
Organization: University of Maine System

Carlos Martin asks...

> Bonus points:  does the number "73" stamped into
> the frame joint, where the top tube meets the front
> tube, indicate year of manufacture?

I don't know about the rubbing problem, but I think the
stamped 73 indicates the angle of the frame.  But I could
be wrong.
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Riding Down Stairs
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 04:35:10 GMT
Reply-To: P.Etheridge@massey.ac.nz
Organization: SMIS, Massey University, NZ

bdhepler@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Brad D. Hepler) writes:

>Well, a friend of a friend here was showing how he could go down a
>really long set of stairs really fast.  Unfortunately, when he got to
>the bottom of the steps, his fork SNAPPED right off.  This was a
>mountain bike, btw.  ymmv.

It was probably going to do it sooner or later anyway (due to fractures or
fatigue) -- he was lucky it didn't happen miles from home with nobody around in
case he got injured.

Phil Etheridge              Internet: P.Etheridge@massey.ac.nz
Macintosh Consultant        Phone:    +64+6-356 9099 ext 8689
SMIS, Massey University     Fax:      +64+6-350 5611
Palmerston North, NZ        40*23'S, 175*37'E ;  GMT+12

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From: praetzel@tesla.waterloo.edu (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: Taiwanese tyres
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:19:58 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.070346.4163@ericsson.se> etxorst@eos.ericsson.se writes:
>look-see. Maybe the problem is simply that they don't have a proper
>hook-bead and thus when the pressure from the tube forces the bead to
>go in the groove of the rim, this causes too much stress on the
>sidewall.

There has been a lot of attack on Sheng Sching (sp?) tires.  I have > 15,000 
mi on various types of their tires and on other "cheap" tires.  I have not
had any problems.  I have had problems getting Specialized tires onto a 
rim and I have had many problems with Michelin tires blowing off of rims.  I
have always trained/raced on IRC Crescents and the kevlar version of the
Crescent (Duro FX).  Both are about the price and quality of the Cheng Shin
tires and don't give me problems.  The rubber does not like UV and degrads
quickly compared to expensive tires and rubber definately wears out more
quickly but I don't have problems with sidewalls even though I routinely
run the road tires at 130psi.  I would not hesitate to reccomend their
tires for touring (thats what Nashbar sells as their house brand)  because
I have a few thousand km on a set of their MTB slicks and they are barely
showing wear and the rubber is lasting well.
  So please cut the speculation unless you have seen a lot of failure of
these tires.  As for my experience it only shows that these tires are much
better than what you will get in a dept. store (actually a local one is
advertising Contential tires now - I will have to check it out) and worth it
if you are only racking up a few thousand mi / year.  There may be slight
differences in handling and I ride but I have not noticed anything.
  - Eric
//  "But I believed - I believed.  I read Verne, and Wells, and Smith and I
//  believed that we could do it - that we would do it.  I set my heart on
//  being one of the men ot walk the surface of the Moon.  to see her other
//  side, adn to look back on the face of the Earth, hangin in the sky."
//   Robert Heinlein (1939) - may we achieve his dreams (by bike of course)
From: phil@atlantis.uucp (Kyung P. Yoo)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Chain Sucker Preventer
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:35:45 GMT
Organization: Atlantis Communications, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

My local Trek dealer told me that Trek has come out with a chain suck preventer that mounts right under the chain stay and supposedly puts your chain back on when it comes off.
 
Has anyone used/seen these things?  If so, I would appreciate some comments on them, including price.
 
Thanks.


-- 
Kyung (Phil) Yoo
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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From: v122jr52@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Thomas H Dunning)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Clinchers
Keywords: 700x25
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:50:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr10.224045.13977@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, c150-ay@volga.Berkeley.EDU (Albert S Chi) writes...
>...I've been riding on Performance (poor-formance) GT's, and I think it's time
>for some new tires.  I'm interested in tires for sport/recreational riding,
>700x25, where weight is not nearly as important as durability.

If you really want durability, you should go to a wider tire.
I've been riding Specialized Expedition 700X35 tires for a while now.
I overinflate 'em to around 100psi, no blowout problems after 6 years.
I generally ride either urban/suburban commuting or sometimes on the
Erie Canal Towpath park (hardpacked dirt).

						td
From: andreas@etl.go.jp (Andreas Knobel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Car vs Cycle vs Bike vs Ped--The Main Point
Date: 10 Apr 92 10:33:03 GMT
Organization: Electrotechnical Lab.

>It is true that there are too many idiots on bicycles out there.  (My
>personal peeve is people riding the wrong way on a one way street at night,
>without lights.)  

In this country, you can do no wrong on a bicycle. Whenever there is an
accident involving a cyclist and a motorist, the motorist gets the blame.
I love it!

As a consequence you often see (well, maybe that is an overstatement: you
feel they are there) schoolboys in their black uniforms riding the wrong
way on a one way street in a rainy night, without lights of course. My,
these drivers are careful to avoid them.

Andreas

-- 

Andreas Knobel                      e-mail andreas@etlcom.etl.go.jp
ETL, Tsukuba, Japan.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jscott@vardamir.next.nd.edu (james scott)
Subject: Re: Tour of Flanders
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 00:56:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.013317.8636@Princeton.EDU>  
kcdutt@pheonix.princeton.edu (Kevin Dutt) writes:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> If I'm not mistaken, today was the Tour of Flanders.
> 
> Anyone have the results?
> 
> 
> Dutt
Yeah, yesterday was the Tour of Flanders.  Anyone out there have the  
scoop?  Ozalp in Bologna, maybe?

James Scott
From: robinz@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Robin Zinsmaster)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 01:05:26 GMT
Subject: Re: paramount computers?????????/?????
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

I have a series 8 Paramount computer on my road bike.  I find that it is
a no-frills sensible computer.  My favorite feature is the fact that it
automatically stops one of its two timers when you stop the bike.  The
average speed is slaved to that one.  This gives you an elapsed time and
an actual time you were on the bike.  No more forgeting to start the 
computer after a rest stop!  I'd recommend it to anyone!  
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