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From: erics@infoserv.com (Eric S. Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: ***7.1 and After Dark?  Problems...
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 08:22:49 PDT
Organization: Reigning Cats and Dogs
Reply-To: erics@infoserv.com
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


rhrs_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Rob Harris) writes:

> 	I just finished installing everything on my new mac (powerbook
> 180), and I find that when I run After Dark, several problems occur. For
> example, when I try to run the Mountains module, I quit out of the finder,
> and then am put back into it with AD no longer installed.  Also, when I
> use the Randomizer module, and I click "choose", the same thing happens...
> Most of the modules run ok, but this is getting annoying...any suggestions?
> 
> Case:	PB 180, sys 7.1, whole lotta inits (Now, ARA, etc...)

After Dark will require an upgrade to version 2.0w for System 7.1.

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From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: The real reason Apple is now charging for system software
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:52:08 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <1992Nov7.054744.13230@u.washington.edu> tamara@glia.biostr.washington.edu (tiny t) writes:
>One of the incentives for buying my 486 was the fact that I got
>	Windows for free
>		Paradox for free
>		C and C++ Borlind compiler for free

I think one of the points here is that you get the operating system free.
It's the upgrades that aren't.  Will you get to stay current with
Windows, Paradox, and the C/C++ compilers for free?  However and whenever
they upgrade their products?  I think not.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: keith@taligent.com (Keith Rollin)
Subject: Re: System Heap Woes!! Help Please!!
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.programmer
Organization: Taligent
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:35:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.121047.1200@galaxy.gov.bc.ca>,
cconstantine@galaxy.gov.bc.ca wrote:
> 
> Here is an interesting question for any System Software guru out there.  We
> have several Mac's and PC's at our site. My Mac IIci has 8MB Ram and an 80MB
> hard drive running system 6.0.7 with several INIT's/CDEV's including Norton
> File Saver, DateBook INIT (this one want 200k of system space!!!!), SAM, Asante
> Ethernet drivers several fonts and HeapTool to help some heap growth problems. 
> When I do an "About the Finder" from the Apple menu, my System sapce is 1800 or
> so and I've upted my finder memory to 320 from 160 (also helps heap problems I
> am told).
>  
> One of my users has a Mac IIsi with 5MB ram, 80MB hard Drive, Asante Ethernet
> drivers, SAM, Minimal Fonts and DA's  and her system heap is up near 2000K!!!!!
> what is going on here????!!!  We even reinstalled her system, optimized her
> Hard Drive and ran Norton Utils on the files and it is still up in the 2MB
> range!!! 
> 
> What gives, how can I reduce this?? (We're not allowed to run System 7 yet
> which really ticks me off but that's GTov't beaurocracy for you!!!)

This reminds me of The Night Two DTS Engineers Went Stupid. Several years
ago, I was trying to track down the same thing: why was my system heap so
damn big? I laboriously unloaded and loaded INITs and rebooted, keeping
careful track of how much memory each INIT used up. After stripping my
system down to the bones, my heap was still larger than what I expected.
Comparing it with they system heap size of a co-worker's machine, I
determined that something was very wrong. My heap size was much larger than
his, and he had more INITs installed.

I then tried futzing with hardware and low-level software. I updated the
driver on my hard disk. I started removing NuBUS cards. I swapped monitors
around. My heap size was still larger than my friend's.

We then prepared a bootable floppy disk (ah, the days of system 6.0.x...)
and went around to many of the Macs in our offices, booting them up with
the floppy and checking the system heap size. You'd think that they'd all
be the same size (or very close), but they varied wildly! Finally, it
dawned on both of us at the same time...

...it was the RAM cache.

Mine was up around 768K or 1024K to help deal with MacApp compiles.
Everyone else's was around 128K, 192K, or 256K.

-----
Keith Rollin
Phantom Programmer
Taligent, Inc.
From: reriksso@klaava.Helsinki.FI (era eriksson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Looking for German System 6.0.8
Date: 9 Nov 92 04:09:47 GMT
Organization: .ObJoke

In article <1992Nov8.204658.7431@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jay Elmore) writes:
 > Well, try ftp.apple.com, pathname dts/mas/sys.soft.intl/german for any 
 > recent system software. Ther should be at least 6.0.7 (which is 6.0.8

There's a README or something in the dts directory which requests people
from out of the US _not_ to download anything. I don't know what it's
there for but you should at least know that Apple might not be too fond
of having people download from there. 

(Let's say I know someone from over here who _has_ ftp:ed stuff from the
dts directory and not yet been zapped by lightning...) 

Can anybody tell me the reason for the request? 
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From: mcmains@unt.edu (Sean McMains)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Sleep
Date: 9 Nov 92 00:11:09 GMT
Organization: University of North Texas
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A72308AAD4020205@isbdeskmac.acs.unt.edu>
X-Xxdate: Sun, 8 Nov 92 11: 10:50 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12

In article <23752@galaxy.ucr.edu> Michael Judson, judson@watserv.ucr.edu
writes:
>Does anyone know where I could find, or does anyone have a 'sleep'
>application which controls sleep time independent of the Powerbook
>being plugged in or running on battery power?  In other words, I
>would like my Powerbook to go to sleep when it is plugged in (so
>as to save the screen) but have it go to sleep in a shorter amount
>of time when it is plugged in without having to switch the sleep
>controller back and forth everytime I unplug it and plug it back in.
>Furthermore, when it is plugged in, 15 minutes until sleep is too
>short.

There is a set of utilities designed specifically for PowerBooks which
includes power management features such as those you want. I think it's
called CPU utilies, or something like that. It's commercial, and there
are ads for it in all the Mac Magazines at the moment. I'm sure the mail
order houses would be happy to tell you more about it as well.
==========================================================================
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Denton TX 76201                     | "Space reserved for clever quote."
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From: reriksso@klaava.Helsinki.FI (era eriksson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Odd diacritics w/ Mac fonts -- how?
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:05:00 GMT
Organization: .ObJoke

The student paper I'm DTPing for has a Latvian feature scheduled for the
next issue. The guy who's writing it would absolutely want to use all
the funny accents of the language (I think the feature includes a
linguistical sidebar or something) and I'd like to know if anybody knows
of any painless means to produce letters with macrons, funny tails
beneath the letters, and what else they have, in Microsoft Word and/or
PageMaker on a Mac? 

I have my Red Book at home, but as I recall, these combined letters
should be easy enough to produce in raw PostScript.  But that's way too
tricky for us amateurs.  Maybe we should just put in the accents by
themselves and kern the glyphs so tightly that they overlap?

Any ideas would be most welcome. Please respond by private mail; I'll
summarize if there's any interest. 

We're trying to accomplish this on a Mac IIci running Sys7 with ATM 3.0,
with proofing on an LWIINTX and final output done on a Hyphen Pelbox. 

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Distribution: world
From: Philip_Sarin@uu0570.foggybottom.com
Organization: Foggy Bottom / Washington, D.C.
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 10:10:33 EST
Subject: Type 1s with 7.1?

I am thinking of getting System 7.1, but I have three questions.

1) Is the incidence of Type 1 errors reduced?

2) Is memory management better than 7.01?

3) How does the Font folder compare with using a suitcase type utility? 
Are there any advantages to keep such a utility with 7.1?

Please reply by E-Mail to Philip_Sarin@foggybottom.com.  I can't keep up with all the messages here.

Thank you.
Foggy Bottom - your FirstClass Mac connection in Washington, DC

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: alan@pacdata.com ()
Subject: System 7.1/Suitcase 2.1
Organization: Pacific Data Products
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:18:41 GMT

I recently upgraded my home Mac to system 7.1 and am now having an extreme
annoyance with Suitcase 2.1 (it crashes miserably on startup)
Is anyone else having this problem? Anyone found a solution? Anyone know
an e-mail address for Fifth-Generation (I've got some mail headed their
way but thats so slow)

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Organization: Sophomore, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 05:55:19 -0500 
From: Faisal Nameer Jawdat <fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: System 7.1 Compatibility -- Is this an issue?
	<1992Nov11.024341.7213@gallant.apple.com>
Distribution: na

Apgar@Apple.com (Gar) writes:
> Use DiskDoubler 3.7.7 (warning - this seems to break Spectre ;-)

i need both diskdoubler and spectre
i do not need sys7.1

now i really don't need sys7.1

no smiley's

that game is way too addictive...
From: rhorn@csws8.ic.sunysb.edu (Robert Horn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: PD/Shareware way to mount or read DOS floppies?
Date: 12 Nov 92 02:14:28 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook

In article <1992Nov12.001738.22064@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> summeral@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SUMMERALL  ELMINA LANIER) writes:
>
>The superdrive doesn't seem so super considering it seems that you must
>purchase additional software like DOS Mounter in order to read DOS disks.
>
>Is there any cheap way to do this?

If you poke around on your original system disks (either system 6, or
system 7) you will eventually find the "Apple File Exchange" in a
folder. This program allows you to copy information to/from DOS disks.
I don't remember which disk it's on, but there are only a few and its
not hidden in some obscure place.

If you've already sacrificed your original system disks to run a few
files from one mac to another for printing or something, you can
download the disk images from ftp.apple.com. 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: woodcock@crchh427.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Gregg Woodcock)
Subject: Re: Printing double-sided?
Reply-To: bn202@cleveland.freenet.edu
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Texas
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:31:24 GMT

In article <1du14fINNidp@iraul1.ira.uka.de>, smuench@i61s4.ira.uka.de (Stefan Muench) writes:
|> I'm looking for a printer driver (it should work with an Apple
|> LaserWriter II) that is able to print odd and even pages. What
|> I want is to print a document double-sided on a printer that
|> doesn't support this feature, so the only way is to print first
|> all left pages, then inserting the same pages again the other
|> way round, then printing the right pages. This is very time-consuming
|> if you have a long document: Print from page 1 to page 1,
|> Print from page 3 to page 3, ... and so on.
|> 
|> Does anyone know of a program that supports this way of printing?

MS Word 5.1 supposedly incorporated this feature.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: parkyn@fraser.sfu.ca (Dale Parkyn)
Subject: Re: Upgrading Mac SE Floppy to High Density
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:34:16 GMT

There may still be an upgrade kit from Apple as SE did have a SuperDrive
version.

Another option is to contact Applied Engineering (214-241-6060).
Thier Plus drive is a 3.5" HD floppy that works with Plus, SE, and Mac II.
Claims DOS disk capability but you probably need Apple File Exchange or
other software that mounts DOS disks. Apple's PCExchange works well for me.

Check in MacWorld or MacUser for a mailorder price (about US$300)

Dale
parkyn@sfu.ca

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jay Elmore)
Subject: Re: PD/Shareware way to mount or read DOS floppies?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 04:51:53 GMT

In article
<1992Nov12.001738.22064@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> summeral@ucsu.Colorado.EDU
(SUMMERALL  ELMINA LANIER) writes: >>
>The superdrive doesn't seem so super considering it seems that you must
> [other stuff accidentally deleted...]

I just found an INIT called "DosINIT 1.2" on sumex-aim.stanford.edu. It
claims to be a shareware INIT that allows you to mount DOS disks...I
haven't tried it (yet) but I thought I'd let you know...

(I think it's in info-mac/ex ...)

Hope this helps!
Jay (=

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: 9999sc01@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Alexandre Khalil)
Subject: TextEdit, International Scripts and others....
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41A   
Organization: University of Houston-Downtown
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 16:09:00 GMT

  Hello, I am looking for a wordprocessor that, like TeachText, could be used
under Arabic/Hebrew System 6/7.

  I have been told that the reason why regular wordprocessors fail to pass 
the international scripts tests is that they bypass TextEdit to handle
text management more efficiently:

  - Is there a wordprocessor that is more elaborate than TeachText ( font 
and styles handling, formatting ) but still uses TextEdit ?

alex khalil
alex@dt.uh.edu
From: hue@pro-freedom.cts.com (Scott Hudziak)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: What machine do we need?
Date: 7 Nov 92 07:46:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Nov7.004647.3299
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)


    What should we do; upgrade, buy a new machine. My boss says
 
___Can't you just buy an accelerator card for it/them?
 
hue@profreedom.cts.com

ProLine:  hue@pro-freedom
Internet: hue@pro-freedom.cts.com
UUCP:     crash!pro-freedom!hue
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From: Michael Nowak <Michael.Nowak@umich.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Powerbook and 7.1 questions
Date: 5 Nov 1992 20:26:28 GMT
Organization: The University of Michigan
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: oitmac03.oit.itd.umich.edu
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1

Subject: Powerbook and 7.1 questions
From: Michael Judson, judson@watserv.ucr.edu
In article <23494@galaxy.ucr.edu> Michael Judson, judson@watserv.ucr.edu
writes:
>I have a Powerbook 140 and have recently installed System 7.1.
>I have a few questions:

[Questions deleted.]

Another question. I installed 7.1 on a PowerBook 170. Is the AutoMounter
available, to remount server after waking up from sleep?

Mike.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: Mike Goodglick <mikey@nrc.com>
Subject: PAUSEING IN SYSTEM 7.1 OPERATIONS.......HELP!!!!
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A723F1F63001CA7A@homer.nrc.com>
X-Xxdate: Mon, 9 Nov 92 18:46:14 GMT
Organization: NRC
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:48:44 GMT

Ok,  now I mad......

I went through the pain of "upgrading" to System 7.1 on my Powerbook 170
& here are the "features" that I get:

1. REALLY annoying pausing that only gets past it when I click the
mouse...
2. Access PC no long works....now if have to "upgrade" to Access PC 2.0.
3. MacTCP no longer functions the right way & I have to "upgrade" to
1.1.1.

Please somebody out there, tell me that I am not alone with these
gripes...Apple is starting to piss me off.  No wonder so many people
stick with IBM's ...(please no damn flame wars starting here they all
start & end the same way....getting nowhere).

Before I do something crazy...(like buy an IBM) somebody help me...tell
me if there is any way to get past these problems (other than going back
to System 7.0.x, which I have considered.)...I sure as hell do not want
to spend any more money on software "upgrades".


Thanks....Got a worm in my Apple brain,
From: Apgar@Apple.com (Gar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: HELP! Should I bother with 7.1?
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:50:38 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Apple

In article <721350159.AA00000@blkcat.UUCP>,
Rick.Zeman@p943.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Zeman) wrote:
> 
> On 11/9/92@7:20:38 AM, Evan Mair was heard to say regarding "HELP! Should I
> bother with 7.1?:" 
> 
>  
>   EM> Well, after playing with it for a while and testing it with some
>   EM> inits, etc, I truly can't figure why I should use it!!! The System
>   EM> uses 300+ more K than 7.0.1, and I am limited to having my fonts in
>   EM> one directory. Yes, things are cleaner, and nicer, but it certainly
>   EM> doesn't seem much different.
>   EM> 
>       7.1 must have problems with 68000 machines.  On my Classic, it uses 200k
> more memory than 7.01*, yet everyone I know with 030s report a decrease in
> memory used.


After * careful * testing on a IIcx I found 7.1 to use slighty more RAM
(about 50K) than 7.0.1 with Tune Up and NSI 1.2.3.

With Extensions off, Extensions on but AppleTalk off, and 
Extensions on, 7.1 always was about 50K more.

Just another data point.

Eric Apgar      I said it, NOT Apple.    Apgar@Apple.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: frisinge@aio.jsc.nasa.gov (Greg Frisinger)
Subject: sys 7.01 memory problems
Reply-To: frisinge@aio.jsc.nasa.gov (Greg Frisinger)
Organization: nasa-jsc
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:02:19 GMT

Help me please.

  I have a MacIIci with 20 meg of memory.  When I select the 32 bit mode in 
memory under the control panel, the system takes up 982k of memory.  When I 
have the 32 bit mode off the system then takes 12,961k of memory.  Could 
anyone explain why this happens.

Thanks.......



Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: cfkfb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Karl Bridges)
Subject: Using Fileshare with Ethernet/Tokenring
Summary: Need information on fileshare used with network
Keywords: fileshare mac
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:58:28 GMT

  Situation:
       We are a university planning to create a data archive of
our campus newspaper.  The newspaper is produced on a Mac network
that will have ethernet.  Our campus network will have macs connected
to a tokenring using (presumably) MacTCP-IP.
       I'd like to create an archival storage volume attached to the
newspaper system that would be accessed by users from the network
using Fileshare.  

Question:
   Does anyone know whether fileshare will handle the bridge between
ethernet (10meg) and tokenring (4meg)?  What about security?  Does
fileshare allow access to applications or is it simply access to
read only files (admittedly the last a FAQ ):)
From: andreasm@cs.tu-berlin.de (Andreas Mueller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: A/UX on a IIvx
Date: 11 Nov 1992 10:23:18 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: marilyn.cs.tu-berlin.de

Hi,
is it possible to run A/UX 3.0 on a IIvx, or do I have to wait for a new version.
Is their perhaps a patch or some extension to make it compatible.
I know, that the IIvx needs System 7.1 and A/UX only supports 7.0.
What can I do?

Thanks in advance, andreasm@cs.tu-berlin.de

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
From: krash@syncline.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Richard Krasner)
Subject: Install of WORD 5.1 w/ Sys 7.1
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:21:10 GMT
Reply-To: krash@syncline.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Richard Krasner)
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

Hi all,

I have a IIcx with 5mb Ram.  I bought and installed Sys 7.1.  I also  
bought Word 5.1.  I started up with shift key down to disable extensions.   
I then tried to install Word 5.1.  I used custom install.  The installer  
loaded all the compressed files and then began to decompress.  It only  
decompressed the Word application and then I got a system error (bomb).  I  
tried this more than once.  I put the system and finder in a separate  
folder and tried...system bomb.  I rebuilt the desktop (suggested by  
Microsoft Tech Rep and tried...system bomb.  I reinstalled the system and  
tried...system bomb.  I tried the installation on an SE/30 w System 7.0  
and it worked so I don't think its the disk.  I was either getting an  
F-line or illegal instruction error when it bombed.  I was able to restart  
and use Stuffit Deluxe to decompress the files, but I would like to know  
what the problem is.  I have had the Mac totally freeze on a few occasions  
in Word 5.1 - no mouse, no cursor, no way out except programmer's switch.   
Has anyone out there had similar problems with this configuration?

Thanks!

Krash
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Distribution: world
From: Philip_Sarin@uu0570.foggybottom.com
Organization: Foggy Bottom / Washington, D.C.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:40:26 EST
Subject: Re: Error -39 using Aldus SuperPaint

  > Can anyone explain what error -39 is?  When 
  > running SuperPaint from our AppleShare server 
  > from either a System 6.08 or 7.01 machine, we 
  > get this error and the program doesn't run.  
  > I looked it up in the MacBible and didn't 
  > find any concrete information on how to solve 
  > the problem.                                  

Error -39 is an end of file error.  That means that the SuperPaint FILE
itself is damaged.  This has nothing to do with any hardware problems. 
Your only option is to replace Superpaint with an original.
Foggy Bottom - your FirstClass Mac connection in Washington, DC
From: x551_003@ccvax.ucd.ie
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: <None>
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:24:58 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

Can anyone tell me if its possible to use an non-apple draft printer with
a Mac Classic and if so how.

The printer in question is currently a Epson 100 IX (I think) but other
draft printers are also possible.

Thanks in advance

Andrew
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system