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From: kfj@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kirk Johanning)
Subject: Re: Turning off icon box under VUE?
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:25:55 GMT
Organization: HP Response Center Atlanta

In <1992Nov19.163008.4400@brtph560.bnr.ca> rjohns@brtph46.BNR.CA (Richard Johns P205) writes:

>I prefer not to use the icon box under HP VUE, but setting 

> Vuewm*useIconBox: False

>in my current resources has no effect, even after logging out and in again.
>I always get the icon box.  Any idea what I'm doing wrong?  Thanks in advance.

The assumption that I am making here is that when you write "setting
<the resource> in my current resources" you are actually going to the
$HOME/.vue/<node>/current/vue.resources file and editing it.

This has NO effect as when you log out with the startup option set to
'Resume Current Session' the first thing that VUE does is to recreate
all of the files in the $HOME/.vue/<node>/current directory, thereby
erasing the changes that you have made.

The correct way to make any resource modifications is to use the
RES_EDIT tool (if you are running HP-UX 8.0 or greater) or to use
xrdb(1).  

For more information see the HP Visual User Environment System
Administration Manual (Part No. B1171-90023) under Chapter 8.

Hope this helps.
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From: robs@hpuamsa.neth.hp.com (Rob Slotemaker CRC)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 09:20:56 GMT
Subject: Re: root access to nfs filesystems
Organization: HP-Sales Office-The Netherlands
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

As written before several times in this group, root access via NFS will be
available with HP-UX 9.0.


Best regards,

Rob Slotemaker, Dutch Response Center

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: gellman@moo.acns.nwu.edu (Jim Gellman)
Subject: termio.h on HP9000/827
Summary: really goofy
Keywords: goofy
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:12:35 GMT

Our group just purchased two Hewlett-Packard PA-RISC machines -- a 710 and
an 827.  We've been trying to get some of the more commonly used programs
compiled, but with limited success.

Specifically, I am trying to get the newsreader "nn" to compile on the 827.
I had some trouble on the 710 with this, but was able to get it to work
by defining a macro that would include "termio.h."  Unfortunately, when
the build failed on the 827 that solution did not work.  A perusal of 
/usr/include and /usr/include/sys on that machine shows that the entities in
question are not defined anywhere in those directories.  Here's the string
of errors I get:

cc: "term.c", line 214: error 1574: Unknown size for "winsize".
cc: "term.c", line 216: error 1588: "SIGWINCH" undefined.
cc: "term.c", line 217: error 1588: "TIOCGWINSZ" undefined.
cc: "term.c", line 218: error 1530: Undefined struct or union.
cc: "term.c", line 218: error 1530: Undefined struct or union.
cc: "term.c", line 217: error 1563: Expression in if must be scalar.
cc: "term.c", line 219: error 1530: Undefined struct or union.
cc: "term.c", line 220: error 1530: Undefined struct or union.

I'm not very familiar with HPUX yet, so I'd appreciate any pointers from the
net.  Shouldn't these be defined somewhere?


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From: aem@symbiosis.ahp.com (a.e.mossberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: 4990 and 4991 network analyzers
Date: 18 Nov 1992 19:58:31 -0500
Organization: Symbiosis Corporation, Miami, Florida  (305) 597-4000
Distribution: na
Reply-To: aem@symbiosis.ahp.com
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Does anyone have the HP 4990 and 4991 network analyzer products? What do
you think of them? How do they compare to a sniffer, or other network
analyzers? Are they worth the thousands and thousands of dollars?

aem
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: How do I mount from HP to OS/2 drive D:?
From: nholford@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Nick Holford)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:56:06 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

I have an HP730 and an OS/2 machine. I have used SAM to mount drive C:
from the OS/2 machine by simply specifying \ as the OS/2 file system.
SAM will not let me specify D:\ so how do I mount my OS/2 D: drive?


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella)
Subject: Re: cc -N bug?
Reply-To: marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:22:02 GMT

: When I compile the appended little program (it's byteorder.c from
: recent tripwire distribution) in our HP9000/720 running HP-UX 8.07
: with the command "cc -N -Wl,-a,archive" it compiles without complaints
: (except one "warning 951: Shift of 32 bits or more.") and produces a
: normal-looking executable ('file' confirms it's "PA-RISC1.1 executable
: -not stripped"), but when I try to execute it, I get "cannot execute"

From the "ld" man page, iin the 700/800 dependencies section:

      Nonsharable, executable files generated with the -N option cannot be
      executed via exec(2).  Typically, -N is used when rebuilding the
      kernel or when preparing an image for dynamic loading. For these
      files, the data segment begins on the next page following the text
      segment.

Any particular reason you want to use this option?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.sun.misc
From: aaronf@fc.sde.hp.com (Aaron Friesen)
Subject: Re: Trouble displaying HP motif client on SUN OpenLook V 3.0
Reply-To: aaronf@fc.hp.com
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:34:24 GMT

Clare Chu (clare@nynexst.com) wrote:
: 
: I haven't been able to get much help from HP tech support
: on this, but...
: 
: Has anyone noticed that when you rlogin from a Sun
: running 4.1.2 and OpenLook window manager OpenWindows 3.0,
: set the $DISPLAY to the hostname of the sun, that you
: cannot display hpterm, ovw, or hpcalc, on the Sun?
: xterm, xclock work as expected.  But none of the Motif
: clients I tried (admittedly just those few) will 
: display on the Sun.  Instead it just hangs forever...

It doesn't hang forever, just longer than you are probably
willing to wait.  The problem is with the OW3 server.  You
can request OW3 patch 100444 (or whatever is the current
replacement) from Sun to fix the problem.  I believe that
this patch has been rolled in to OW 3.0.1 on their current
OS release.

: HP suggested a work around where you set your
: .Xdefaults resources on both the Sun and HP as
: *useColorObj: False

This work around has worked on every system that I have seen
the problem show up.  Try setting the resource in a file called
Xdefaults-<hostname>.  The file should reside in the $HOME
directory on the HP system with <hostname> replaced by the
hostname of your HP system.  When xrdb is involved in setting
X resources, changes to .Xdefaults may not work like you
expect.  Read O'Reilly's _X_Window_System_User's_Guide_ for
a pretty good explanation.

: It still didn't work for us.  Now, instead of hanging,
: it'll core dump.  Apparently the guys at HP said that
: it does work for them (the workaround) but not for
: us.  I'm wondering what version of the Motif libraries
: on the HP would make it work.  Our libXm.a is dated
: Dec 1991.  Is a newer version available?  And does
: it fix the problem?

Well, sorry, but it does work for me, too.  I have an IPC 
on my desk running 4.1.2 with OW3.  Since the behavior 
changes when you set the *useColorObj resource, it evidently 
is being seen by the application.  I have never seen it
cause a core dump of a client.  It doesn't matter what
version of libXm.a is on your system since that is an
archive library.  Changing archive libraries on the system
won't affect the applications.  The shared library version
may make a difference, but I am unaware of any shared
library version requirements related to this problem.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: martins@hpl.hp.com (Henrique Martins)
Subject: Re: HP VideoLive card
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:19:30 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, CA

In article <3452@shark.md.tsukuba.ac.jp> ikeken@md.tsukuba.ac.jp (Ken-ichi Ikebukuro) writes:

> Recently I got HP VideoLive card for reading video signal into
> my hp730.  And I'm very much surprised that there is no information
> or library to control the VideoLive card directly from c or other
> programming language. ...

> My purpose is to make a image processing program which can read
> a video signal directly from the video camera.  So the enclosed
> simple program is quit insufficient and the information to control
> the LiveVideo card is necessary.

#include <std/disclaimer>

  One way of doing what you want is to use the X Window System Video
Extension.

   If you got a VideoLive card from HP, are running HP-UX 8.07, and
the installation process replaced your X server with one that allows the
VideoLive card to run, you got an X server with the video extensions. (At
9.0 the X server will have this extensions by default.)

  The VideoLive card installation process should also have given you the
video extension library, called libXv.a, and placed it in /usr/lib/X11.

  I think (and don't know why) the installation process doesn't give you
the include files and man pages for the Video Extension call (I don't know
whether they will come in 9.0 or not). However these can be ftp'ed from
MIT. I had to do it.

  It should then be quite simple to figure out how to use the video
extension calls. (The proof is that I did it :-)) I guess (form memory)
that it boils down to a XQueryAdaptor, XPutSill, and XGetImage calling
sequence.

  Note however that this is probably a little bit slow, as the image has to
go from the X server to your process, all 640x480x4 bytes of it. There are
other ways to get to the card and control it, but I'm not sure why HP
and/or RasterOps aren't giving them away, and I'm not privileged with that
type of information.

  -- Henrique (martins@hpl.hp.com)


From: darrylo@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Darryl Okahata)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:08:46 GMT
Subject: Re: tcsh, emacs, rlogin and termcap support
Organization: Center for Primal Scream Therapy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

In comp.sys.hp, whiles@nswc.navy.mil (William Scott Hiles x1568) writes:

> Example 2:
>   Emacs is a very popular editor for all platforms but it requires
>   termcap to work.  It comes with the necessary code to be compiled
>   without a termcap library, but you need a good termcap file.  I
>   could not find one on my system by typing "find / -name termcap
>   -print" so I got one from some other system and added the alias of
>   hpterm to the hp2621.  It works fine.

     I don't understand this.  I had to do absolutely *NOTHING* with
respect to termcap in order to get Emacs to work (there was, however, a
lot of work that Emacs required for non-VT100 terminals).  I suspect
that you're doing something wrong.  Here are the ld(1) command used to
link emacs here:

        ld  -o temacs crt0.o dispnew.o scroll.o xdisp.o window.o  term.o \
		cm.o x11term.o x11fns.o xmenu.o  emacs.o keyboard.o \
		macros.o keymap.o sysdep.o  buffer.o filelock.o insdel.o \
		marker.o  minibuf.o fileio.o dired.o filemode.o  cmds.o \
		casefiddle.o indent.o search.o regex.o undo.o alloc.o \
		data.o doc.o editfns.o callint.o  eval.o fns.o print.o \
		lread.o  abbrev.o syntax.o unexec.o mocklisp.o bytecode.o \
		process.o callproc.o environ.o  doprnt.o terminfo.o \
		lastfile.o alloca.o malloc.o \
		-lcurses libXMenu11.a -lX11   -ln   -lc

Note that libcurses.a, libtermcap.a, and libtermlib.a are all the SAME
library (they're all linked to each other).

     -- Darryl Okahata
	Internet: darrylo@sr.hp.com

DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not
constitute the support, opinion or policy of Hewlett-Packard or of the
little green men that have been following him all day.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: irek@donau.et.tudelft.nl (Irek Karkowski)
Subject: rising workload on hp9000/817
Reply-To: irek@donau.et.tudelft.nl
Organization: Delft University of Technology, the Netherlands
Distribution: comp
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:56:20 GMT


We have here one hp9000/817 machine running HPUX 8.02. We could observe that
independent  of what we run on it, the workload (measured by such programs like
xload, top, uptime) is slowly rising reaching after few days level of about 15.
If we reboot the machine everything returns to normal. Even when the workload
is 15 all system statistics seem to be perfectly normal, we can't even observe
any major decrease in speed of the machine. 

I wonder, maybe somebody else has already encountered this problem, and maybe
even knows how to solve it (rebooting works but it's for sure not the best way). 



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: iankent@bnr.ca (Ian Kent)
Subject: Xv library
Keywords: XvRegisterDragWindow XvRegisterDropCallback Xv
Reply-To: iankent@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:24:33 GMT

  I am using Motif1.1/X11 R4/HP-UX 8.0 with HPVUE and am interested in
using the following functions in the Xv library. The only documentation
I have regarding these functions is that in the header file.  Could
anyone out there send and/or direct me to some documentation/code
regarding the use of these functions.

/usr/include/Motif1.1/Xv/XvDrag.h
....
extern void XvRegisterDragWindow();
extern void XvRegisterDropCallback();

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From: xm9@sdcc12.ucsd.edu (richard g. adair)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: root access to nfs filesystems
Summary: Narsty NFS hole
Keywords: nfs root
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:47:57 GMT
Organization: Arete Associates, San Diego

In article <1ebneeINN2k4@trwvssi.vssi.trw.com> b_kondalski@vssi.trw.com (Brian J. Kondalski) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.170956.29695@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> bennett@areaplg2.corp.mot.com writes:
>My pcnfs users have a userid when they mount via nfs from my 750.  If they
>don't have permission to modify a file, then they can't.  And I have patched
>my kernel to allow root export.  Where does this security hole come in?

Have the user log in as root and fail the password.  Then, have the
user delete all the files on every machine on your network.  Fun!

Tony Burzio
Arete Associates
San Diego, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: ericw@asihub.sd.cadence.com (Eric D. Williams)
Subject: Correct way to set up terminal type on HP/UX
Reply-To: Eric D. Williams <ericw@sd.cadence.com>
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, San Diego Centre
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 21:51:02 GMT


   I have a pretty basic problem (which is not in the FAQ):
   
     I'm sitting in front of a Sun/DEC/Mips/IBM, running X.

     I use xterms.

     I rlogin into an HP 9000/710.

     When I login to the HP, my $TERM and $term variables 
     are set to `xterm'.  But neither my back space key,
     nor vi work.

  Obviously, `stty' and `tset' are different.  Maybe even
  termcap?  Can someone provide me with a short answer.
  Even your .login file would do.

Thanks!
  _________________________________________________________________
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     ericw@sd.cadence.com                 Services Group
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Xref: sparky comp.sys.hp:13081 comp.sys.sun.misc:5329
From: mjo@slee01.srl.ford.com (Mike O'Connor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: lrom won't display on a Sun
Date: 19 Nov 1992 01:35:37 GMT
Organization: Not an official spokesperson for Ford Motor Co.
Reply-To: "Mike O'Connor" <mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com

In article <1992Nov18.202612.23858@u.washington.edu>
dxxb@hardy.u.washington.edu (David Barts) writes:

:For some reason, I can't get lrom (the HP LaserRom utility) to
:display on my Sun workstation running OpenWindows 3.0.  Lrom displays
:just fine on an HP-UX or Apollo display, but when I set DISPLAY to
:a Sun, it just sits there and does nothing after I see the message:
:	Checking nero.ce:0.0 for use as the X Windows display server
:
:Other HP X clients (e.g. xterm) work just fine on the Sun.

Wait around 20 minutes.  If it appears, you've encounted a Sun
OpenWindows bug, #1076332 and (what I consider to be) a timeout
problem with the HPs.  The problem is fixed, according to Sun, in
OpenWindows 3.0.1.

					...Mike

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Xref: sparky comp.sys.hp:13044 gnu.epoch.misc:1126
From: ldare@sierra.com (Larry Dare)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,gnu.epoch.misc
Subject: Enabling Num_lock key behavior
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:26:17 GMT
Organization: Sierra Geophysics,  Kirkland WA

Operating System HP-UX  A.08.07 A 9000/750 

HP-700 Xterminal 

X version -  R4

Keyboard type  C1405a


I am trying to get my num_lock key to behave similar to the caps_lock
key.  The behavior I would like to see is that when the num-lock key
is on, the keys on the numeric keypad generate numbers, when the
num-lock key is off, the numeric keypad generate escape sequences.

More specifically I would use this feature in epoch.


Any Hints on the subject????



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From: anderl@kommu.UUCP (Hr Horst Anderl)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Connecting HP-UX 8.07 to DEC-NET, which product?
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:00:56 GMT
Organization: SNC
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5


Hallo
I am looking for software to connect HP-UX 8.07 to DEC-NET.
Thanks in advance
Horst

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From: ron@topaz.bds.com (Ron Natalie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: can you make things "sticky" in vue?
Date: 19 Nov 1992 22:59:14 GMT
Organization: BDS Systems
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.bds.com
Keywords: vue sticky

Well, I'm not sure at what level you are referring...You can set them
interactively with the Occupy... window manger menu.  Otherwise you
can set them with the workspaceList resource...

   xterm -xrm "*workspaceList:   all"

makes an xterm show up in all of them.  You can also make them pop up
only in some

	xterm -xrm "*workspaceList:   Two Four Six"

-Ron
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.sun.misc
From: seymour@stein.u.washington.edu (Richard Seymour)
Subject: Where does Xload go?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:37:25 GMT

environment: an HP 9000/710, 48mb, HP-UX 8.07a
               a Tektronix XP338 xterminal, served by the HP.

when one certain user logs in (with csh as his default), he doesn't get the 
 xload plot on his window manager bar. Everything else (xclock, etc.) seem ok.
  Other users logging on thru the same Xterminal do get xload.

he did -not- have a custom  vuewmrc file (he does now, no improvement).
his current/errorlog file gave no hints (at least that looked understandable).
his startup screen includes an xterm.
he -can- run xload as an application (private window appears).

any hints?
--dick
From: b_kondalski@vssi.trw.com (Brian J. Kondalski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: NIS/Automounter
Date: 18 Nov 1992 16:41:57 -0500
Organization: TRW Vehicle Safety Systems, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: trwvssi.vssi.trw.com

I was investigating how to add the automounter maps into the NIS database in
my HP documentation, and found that it looked like a hopeless task.  Has anyone
out there done this, and if so, could you send me what changes I need to make
to the NIS files?  I'm running 8.07 on a 750, and I want to put the auto.direct,
auto.master, and auto.home files into the NIS database.  Thanks in advance....
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