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From: engboksh@nuscc.nus.sg (BOK SHUNG HWEE (MR))
Subject: FTP Site for Intergraph
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 07:53:03 GMT


I would support having an FTP Site for Intergraph.  In particular it would
be a good idea to open and have a useful resource of application and
technical notes as well as have program source viz MDL and PPL for users
who demand greater or productive use of the software systems.

Shung-Hwee Bok
CAD/CAM Specialist
National University of Singapore
From: bmu@sbfdk.sbf.dk (Boerge Mueller)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
Subject: Re: Public Domain Software for Intergraph (Was: Why no response from ...)
Date: 11 Jan 93 07:51:34 GMT
Organization: Great Belt ltd. Denmark

In article <1993Jan09.114905.18097@SPM> alt-sys-intergraph@ingr.com writes:
>>
>>
--- STUFF DELETED ----
>
>The reason that not many people will use it seems a trifle lame. With all
>government,DOT's, defense contractors that Intergraph sells to on the internet
>"If you build it they will come". How many customers even know there is
>an alt.sys.intergraph ? Also many commercial sites I know of dont even carry
>alt news groups. BTW is this alt newsgroup freely available at ingr ?
>
>Selling PD CD's doesn't hack it at all. Turn arounds in getting patches, bug
>fixes, new versions, exchanging trivial software all get interminably dragged
>out, as well as is being a more expensive option.
>
>IMHO these are the very things Intergraph should be doing to have a higher
>visibility in the business.
>
I think this is the must importent statement, and I aggree deeply.

I know of lot of people who are only listening to alt.sys.intergraph.

Selling a PD CD will not do it, maybe a free IGUG CD, but I don't
think this should be the main source for PD software. I could be nice
for a start, and for newcommers, and people who atend IGUG, (you could
also distribute it with Intergraph's ordinary SW distribution).

I'll wote for a FTP site.

See you



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Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
From: attcadd!elly@uunet.uu.net
Subject: SOS SIG
Organization: Mail news gateway
Distribution: world
Keywords: 
Reply-To: alt-sys-intergraph@ingr.com
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 07:57:05 CST

Hello Everone,
In an effort to try to provide good sessions at the IGUG, I need some
information regarding what you all would like to see, and what hardware
platforms are employed in what quantities.

I'd like to hear from HP and SUN users. How many of you are there? How
many of these machines do you have? Do you have Ingr hardware on
the same Net? How have you learned to deal with this? Any problems?

The spring session is being finalized now, but please send me feedback.


Elly Hoinowski
System Operations Sig Chairperson
elly@attcadd.attmail.com


Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
From: bob@sparkie.nrri.umn.edu (Robert I. Benett)
Subject: Re: Public Domain Software for Intergraph (Was: Why no response from ...)
Organization: MN/DOT
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:29:08 GMT

In article <991@ckgp.UUCP> kanya@ckgp.UUCP (Jim Kanya) writes:
>At the Fall of 1992 IGUG, we had discussions about producing a CD-ROM of
>public domain software.  I had two ideas on distribution.  The first was
>to have have IGUG pay for the CD and present it to each user when they 
>register at the conference.  This would give the user something tangible
>to take back to the office.  The other idea is to sell the CD at the
>conference.  
>
>I am awaiting information from Intergraph's Chander Hall about pricing,
>quantity and liability before I make a formal proposal to the IGUG board.
>I do know that the HP User's group has a CD available and sells it for
>$100.00 (US).  How many users would purchase a CD for this price?
>
IF there were even one good (or even recommended) product on each issue it
would be an easy buy.

My suggestion for making such a disk more attractive to sites is to include
a smattering of current trouble logs.  i.e. problems/solutions.


Bob Bennett
Minnesota Department of Transportation
Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
From: flog@open.ch (Florian Gutzwiller)
Subject: MicroStation/Oracle?
Reply-To: Florian.Gutzwiller@open.ch
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:04:33 GMT

I've posted this question before.

Does anybody have expereience with acessing underlying Oracle
databases in MicroStation?
Thanks

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From: engboksh@nuscc.nus.sg (BOK SHUNG HWEE (MR))
Newsgroups: alt.sys.intergraph
Subject: FTP Site for Intergraph
Date: 7 Jan 93 01:08:57 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4


Sorry I posted to the other subject " ... better software company" but
this is it :  maybe through Intergraph or an active Integraph user in
IGUG, another suggestion is put up a user group repository  as part of the
FTP site.

If anything, Intergraph will become a more widely known vendor even
amongst non-Intergraph customers :-)  There is nothing to lose.

Bok
CAD/CAM Specialist
National Universit of Singapore
From: mbs@adastra.cvl.va.us (Michael B. Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: Setting up UUCP 1.15 Between two 2000's
Distribution: world
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Date: 10 Jan 93 20:38:46 EST
Organization: Well, I haven't decided on a name yet...

In article <1993Jan10.233355.8139@samba.oit.unc.edu> Frederick.Theilig@launchpad.unc.edu (Frederick Theilig) writes:
>  Jurassic attempts to poll mychol to send the test mail. Instead of
> getting the header from mychol, I'm getting a jumbled mess. If I log in
> using a term program, I get the expected header. I cannot proceed from
> this point.
>
>  The only thing I can think of is it might be that Get{y is snooping
> the serial port as well as UUCICO and they are each getting 1/2 the
> characters.

Send us the debug output (-XX -xx arguments to UUCICO). The GETTY that comes
with AmigaUUCP gets off the serial port when UUCICO starts up. You should
ensure that you are running the same versions of GETTY and UUCICO and both
are from AmigaUUCP.

>  Is there anyone out there that can help me? If I can get this running
> I'll attempt to update with 1.16.

You should drop this and START with 1.16.

> Please direct all replies to the list.

I hope you meant the newsgroup.
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From: hugh@kink.PhaedraV.On.Ca (Hugh D. Gamble)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: uucico can't handle file transfers to a directory only
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 02:54:51 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Phaedra V

In article <caw.0wpt@miroc.Chi.IL.US>, Christopher A. Wichura writes:

> uucp *.c machine!~user/sources/
> 
> Now (optionally log out if you don't have a second modem) run uucico and
> watch the file transfer fail.  uucp on the Unix side has created a bunch of

I've been bitching about that for years. In fact, most things don't
work from AmigaUUCP uucp. It was written to do just enough to transfer
mail. It doesn't support passing commands like

   uucp file amigasite!siteb!file

or wildcard filenames, or ...

The only thing that's reliable with AmigaUUCP uucp is:

   uucp fullpath/file fullpath/file

And that won't work either if you try from a unix site to do:

   uucp path1/file amigasite!uupub:file

because the unix site thinks the latter is a relative pathname and
translates it to path1/uupub:file.

In that case you have to do:

   uucp path1/file amigasite!~/filename

but if you want to uucp it to src:filename (and permissions are OK)
you're just stuck.

Of course if uucp were compiled with ixemul.library then it could
automatically translate (under configurational control by ixconfig)
from /root/filename to root:filename which would make the remote site
and the amiga both happy. 
   
> Would one of the people currently working on uucico (Steve?) like to fix
> the Amiga's uucico so that it can properly handle these lines?

Or port a real uucp, either's fine with me. :-)

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From: Opal_Sullen@republik.fidonet.org (Opal Sullen)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: how about some help w/ SLIP?
Distribution: world
Date: 10 Jan 93 18:47:08 PST
Organization: Eiffel Media of Orange County

hello all... just me again... the guy with the SLIP questions...

... okay, i have the amigaNOS package and there is not any formal dox on
how to get the SLIP part of this thing set up.  it would be nice if there
was something even kinda like what dillon put in his uucp package.  who
knows, maybe the archive i picked up was not an original release.

anyway, i will go ftping around again and see if i can find a better
package.  the one i got had alot of the executables and config files
already set up for some x25 packet happy guy in london.  the few
newsletters included in the archive told me that i had what i needed, but
did not go into the SLIP side of things at all--it was all focused on
x25ing.

so, i DO have dialup access to a server where i can get into SLIP mode, but
how and what do i need to do to get my amiga NOS software talking to the
remote server?  the ip i get is 255.255.255.255, and i have tried to set
mine to broadcast on the same channe, but i am affraid i am TOTALLY new to
SLIP and have not a single clue what to do to get it working.

again, are there any FAQs around or something?  i KNOW i can pull this off
with some help from some experienced people.

regards, 

-- Via DLG Pro v0.995

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From: Opal_Sullen@republik.fidonet.org (Opal Sullen)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: how to SLIP?
Distribution: world
Date: 8 Jan 93 09:55:29 PST
Organization: Eiffel Media of Orange County

In a message dated Fri  8 Jan 93  0:07, Lawrence@combdyn.com wrote:

 LC> If you get a supported license from GfxBase for their Xserver,
 LC> they'll give you the SLIP/CSLIP stuff....but its an expensive
 LC> way to get going. 
 LC> It might be possible to get the stuff as a Commodore Developer,
 LC> perhaps someday I'll try....

thanx for the info... guess i'll go the amigaNOS route and bang my head for
weeks/months. :(

right now i have version 2.9i.  is this the latest version?


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From: Opal_Sullen@republik.fidonet.org (Opal Sullen)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: how about some help w/ SLIP?
Distribution: world
Date: 12 Jan 93 10:00:06 PST
Organization: Eiffel Media of Orange County

In a message dated Tue 12 Jan 93  9:11, Mbs@adastra.cvl.va.us wrote:

 MBS> Opal, you'd probably get better response on AmigaNOS if you asked in
 MBS> comp.sys.amiga.datacomm, and I have cross-posted this there, and
 MBS> changed followups to that group.

okay, will f/u there then... thanx...

 MBS> Folks who use it, tend to hang out there.

that is encouraging.

 MBS> ...and I've long since removed it> from my HD so I can't give up a
 MBS> specific configuration file or anything.

bummer, but i'll try c.s.a.d and see what happens.

 MBS> You should be able to get the complete document set from ucsd.edu in
 MBS> /pub/ham-radio/ka9q/docs (or something like that).

thanx... will ftp out for it today.

 MBS> 255.... is likely a broadcast address for ARP, not a valid IP
 MBS> address.

no, i THINK it is a valid address, but is only used locally here on the
CERFNET... there is some technical reason for thi address being like this,
but it eludes me right now.

 MBS> There is an AmigaNOS FAQ posted irregularly to
 MBS> comp.sys.amiga.datacomm.

will keep my eyes peeled for that.

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From: mbs@adastra.cvl.va.us (Michael B. Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re:      Compressed feed problems.
Distribution: world
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Date: 4 Jan 93 18:48:49 EST
Organization: Well, I haven't decided on a name yet...

In article <9301042101.AA17499@relay1.UU.NET> DMH@mitvma.mit.edu writes:
> works fine.  If sent compressed, the entire compressed batch gets dumped
> into 'junk' without being uncompressed.
>
> I was running version 1.13 with one of the 1.16 XFERSTAT uucico's but
> upgraded to 1.16 when this happened, thinking it might help, but it
> didn't.  My feed site says the batches are compressed with the standard
> unix compress (16 bits) and they uncompress fine if I run the uncompress
> manually.

It's likely that you are still running an old RNEWS program. In 1.13 and 1.15
they were not distributed to, by default, be able to uncompress 16 bit
compress files.

Secondly, are you sure you have enough memory?
--
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From: mbs@adastra.cvl.va.us (Michael B. Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: UUPOLL Problems
Distribution: world
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Date: 4 Jan 93 06:32:39 EST
Organization: Well, I haven't decided on a name yet...

In article <4JNes*za1@kink.PhaedraV.On.Ca> hugh@kink.PhaedraV.On.Ca (Hugh D. Gamble) writes:
> In article <mbs.1iew@adastra.cvl.va.us>, Michael B. Smith writes:
> > setenv SaveStack `printstack`
> > stack 32768
>
> Because setenv is global you should put the cli number in the name.
> Something like setenv stack[$$] might work.

It might. Then again, in my environment, it doesn't make a bit of difference.

> And instead of using a "printstack" utility you can just use standard
> AmigaOS scripting like the gnuemacs startup script does:
>
> set stk=`stack`
> rx "fortytwo=42"
> set stack `rx "say subword($stk, 5, 1)"`
> unset stk

The overhead of a 400 byte resident printstack utility is much less than
that of calling ARexx.

> > uuxqt.real <nil: >nil:
>
> This means that *nothing* will get processed unless you change
> everything else to call uuxqt.real too. Which is good for debugging.
> Or if you only want your incoming jobs to get processed after you poll
> out for some reason (e.g. no incoming calls)

I'm well aware of this. It is my intent. For whatever reason.

> You also want to make sure you add locking to your script. What
> happens it 2 of them are running at once?

Can't happen. All of my stuff is called from a system wrapper. (Check out
CyberCron.)

> start a new uucico if one is already running. It doesn't do retries it
> just keeps you from having dozens of uucico's queued up and eating RAM
> while waiting for a long connection to finish.

UUCICO -A attempts to lock the unit, and if it fails then UUCICO exits.

As the original poster asked for, I showed him something that worked.
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Xref: sparky alt.sys.amiga.uucp:3157 comp.sys.amiga.datacomm:8535
From: hugh@kink.PhaedraV.On.Ca (Hugh D. Gamble)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp,comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: how to SLIP?
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 23:14:17 EST
FollowUp-To: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Distribution: world
Organization: Phaedra V

[followups directed to comp.sys.amiga.datacomm]

In article <Opal_Sullen.01m2@republik.fidonet.org>, Opal Sullen writes:

> i need some help getting SLIP set up.  can anyone direct me to the
> software?  doesn't dillon have a package available?  any FAQs i should

If you don't want to hack at the free AmigaNOS, you can buy a version
of Commodore's AS225 s/w from GfxBase Inc. that supports SLIP.

You're right that this should be in a FAQ, the availability of the
AS225 from GfxBase that supports SLIP has been posted regularly in the
past year.

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x-gateway: rodan.UU.NET from amiga-uucp to alt.sys.amiga.uucp; Sat, 9 Jan 1993 19:50:10 EST
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 11:13:23 PST
Reply-To: ronell@caron.ati.com
Organization: Science and Technology Center, Apple Valley Ca.
From: ronell@caron.ati.com
Subject: FORWARDED article from alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
This is an article from alt.sys.amiga.uucp,
forwarded by Ronald Elliott <ronell@caron.ati.com>.

------------- beginning of forwarded article -------------
snip...

> Has anyone got tin and axsh1.26 working?  I am trying with not
                         ^^^^^^

Is this available by BMS anywhere?


---------------- end of forwarded article ----------------

caron.ati.com in....   amiga:cli/axsh126.lha

Ronald Elliott                   Science and Technology Center
ronell@caron.ati.com                      P.O. Box 818
                                     Apple Valley, Ca 92307
                        Serving Education throughout the High Desert Area
From: pbaker@tbag.tscs.com (Pete Baker)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Upgrade to 1.16 ??
Date: 5 Jan 93 23:53:31 EST
Organization: Tampa Bay Amiga Group

I have read numerous posts about a patch file that upgrades 1.16 to 1.18
if anyone is in posession of this patch would you please send it to me
in UUencoded format (length is not a problem) or have someone repost it
to uucp.patches newsgroup.  

Thanks

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            _
Pete Baker { }
          ( V-)
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From: hugh@kink.PhaedraV.On.Ca (Hugh D. Gamble)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: Warming up for the vote.
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 23:21:53 EST
Organization: Phaedra V

In article <1993Jan5.073902.21499@walter.cray.com>, Daniel Baehr writes:

>    Is there something wrong with calling them:
> 
>    comp.sys.amiga.uucp
>    comp.sys.amiga.uucp.patches

Well, that doesn't describe the groups very well. a.s.a.u does contain
discussion about how to use or implement UUCP, but it also contains
discussion about other things like using and developing usenet news
s/w as well as news and email reading/posting s/w. Most of which has
nothing to do with UUCP except for the fact that UUCP is often used as
a transport mechanism for them. And there are other transport
mechanisms, such as IP and the NNTP and SNMP protocols that are
usually associated with it, that are alternatives to UUCP and also
part of this group.

.patches does include patches and updates to UUCP, news, mail, etc.
s/w but also contains complete source and binary distributions.
"patches" really doesn't describe it very well either, but I'm
inclined to leave it as either "sources" or "binaries" doesn't fit.

Actually, I suppose we could have comp.sys.amiga.usenet-sw.sw. How
does that grab everybody? Does that mean the other group should go to
comp.sys.amiga.usenet-sw.d?



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Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
From: lawrence@combdyn.com (Lawrence Chen)
Subject: Re: how to SLIP?
Organization: Combustion Dynamics Ltd.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:39:29 GMT

In article <mbs.1j88@adastra.cvl.va.us> mbs@adastra.cvl.va.us (Michael B. Smith) writes:
>In article <Opal_Sullen.01m2@republik.fidonet.org> Opal_Sullen@republik.fidonet.org (Opal Sullen) writes:
>> i need some help getting SLIP set up.  can anyone direct me to the
>> software?  doesn't dillon have a package available?  any FAQs i should
>> read?
>
>Dillon does not have a package available.
>
>The only publically available package that I am aware of is AmigaNOS. And yes,
>while it's "ugly", it does work. I used it for a while before I got myself
>set up as a registered developer.
>
>If you are a programmer, the SANA II specification documents include both a
>SLIP and CSLIP SANA-II device driver. However, no applications come with it.
>
>It is likely that a future release of CBM AS225 software may address these
>deficiencies.
>
If you get a supported license from GfxBase for their Xserver, they'll give
you the SLIP/CSLIP stuff....but its an expensive way to get going.  It might
be possible to get the stuff as a Commodore Developer, perhaps someday I'll
try....

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