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From: das@cci632.cci.com (David Stumme (co-op))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Comics with Missing Coupons
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:30:27 GMT
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY

In article <BsxBA2.M2G@sun3.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca> kesidis@panther.uwaterloo.ca (George Kesidis) writes:
>
>What is the deal here? If the comic books themselves are
>in mint condition but with the insert (coupon) missing, do they
>become worthless?

They do if the coupon was not an insert, but printed on a page of the comic
itself.  Especially if art/story is lost by cutting the coupon out.

Other examples: The Marvel Fun Stamps, subscription forms, etc.

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 "If I speak, I am condemned.		David Stumme 
  If I stay silent, I am DAMNED!"	das@sunsrvr1.cci.com
      -- Jean Valjean a.k.a. "24601" 	das1417@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
         "Who am I?", Les Miserables 	D.STUMME @ GEnie
From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Liefield Throws Tantrum
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:29:47 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

>>	This is a general comment on the recent (or perhaps not so recent)
>>	Rob Liefield discussions. It seems to me people are taking the 
>>	'destruction' or the ruining (sp?) of these characters and blowing 
>>	things way out of proportion.  Come on, these are comic books, it's 
>>	not like they really mean anything.  They are supposed to be for 
>>	entertainment.

              Comic Books are a great means of communication.  They are much
more powerful than many forms of entertainment!  I know that when I have a 
story idea, I will attempt to write it down, but I always end up putting
them is some sort of illustrated comic form.  Sure, you may say, "You're
just illiterate and don't know how to communicate ..." But I think the comic
form of storytelling is one of the most effective forms of entertainment.


>>	should linch the guy.  If you really don't like his attitude, his work,

> as the word "lynching" has been used in this series of threads, you could at
> least spell it right.
               I'm glad someone mentioned this.... But Remember Everyone
WHEN WE SAY "LYNCH HIM!"  We ARE JOKING!  Got that all you Net-Whackos!?
Is that clear enough???  Good.

               Some people ask why we should get so annoyed at RL?  Well, I
personally would say that if you are going to publicize a comic publicize a
GOOD comic.  After reading a Leechfield Comic I can see how people would feel
it was kidstuff and that annoys me!  There is sooooo much more to it than to
draw super stretched terminator copy characters!
							wReam...

P.S.  If you need me I will be on the floor.
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From: wsm26@cas.org (Wayne Mills)
Subject: Re: Comics with Missing Coupons
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:05:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.161510.6528@u.washington.edu>, phaedrus@milton.u.washington.edu (Phaedrus) writes:
|> In article <BsxBA2.M2G@sun3.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca> kesidis@panther.uwaterloo.ca (George Kesidis) writes:
|> >Fool that I am, I decided to ask a local store owner
|> >if he had any valiant back issues. He laughed and
|> >said that the only copies he had seen were missing coupons
|> >and therefore in at best VG condition.
|> >For a recent comic, VG condition is  the kiss of death
|> >so he said they were worth about 50 cents each in that state.
|> >
|> >What is the deal here? If the comic books themselves are
|> >in mint condition but with the insert (coupon) missing, do they
|> >become worthless?
|> 
|>      Pretty much exactly.  As a matter of fact, IMO, Very Good condition is an
|> awfully high grade for a comic with a coupon missing; if you use the Overstreet
|> scale in the Grading Guide, anything with a coupon missing is Good at best.
|> That means it's only worth about 15% of its NM value, which for most recent
|> comics means 15% of cover.


Anyone have a set of such worthless comics for sale that are in NM
except that the coupon on the insert is missing?  I'll be generous and
gladly pay 20% of cover for an otherwise near mint set of Magnus #1-8!
I would even buy multiples of the first few issues at that price!  Any
sellers out there?  C'mon, they're worthless!  This is your chance to
get some cash out of them!

I'd be interested in other similar 'worthless' Valiant comics as well.

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From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Liefield Throws Tantrum
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:11:26 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <rdippold.714152764@cancun>, rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
> jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu writes:
>>Unsubstantiated Con rumor #2: Crowd control broke down at a Liefield 
>>signing, and the Malibu table got mobbed. Liefield jumped up on the table 
>>and said some things designed to start a riot. It didn't work. Source: Mike 
>>Dringenberg again.

	not a surprise, I mean after seeing him plotting the destruction of
the planet with Aliens and Elvis, I was not surprised to hear that hhe was at
it again...  Looks like I will need to best him again!  
 
> Rumor #3, from a friend who saw it:
> Liefield attempted to buy something at a booth with a "NO CHECKS"
> sign, and tried to pay for it with a check, of course.  "Sorry, we
> don't take checks."  Whereupon Leifield goes into his "Do you know who
> I AM?" routine.  "Look, I don't care WHO you are, no checks."  "I have
> more money that you'll ever DREAM of having!" etc. etc. etc. and quite
> a tantrum.  All quotes are paraphrases, of course.  No sale.  It'd be
> interesting to know whether the guy at the booth really knew who he
> was and wanted to piss him off.

    	your friend followed him around, how did he bare the stench?  
Super Powers???  Why didn't he report them on the last thread going around?
Could it be he has a secret identity to preserve??  I can see why it only 
had a few responses...
					BBB,
						wReam...

P.S.  BBB is the new abreviation that you all are to perpetuate...
	Bored Beyond Belief!  - BBB pass it on...  Do it !  Don't you 
	know who I am?!?  If you don't I will ... THROW A TANTRUM!
	I am a NET Star!  :)
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From: bc751@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Howard Z. Shiau)
Subject: Re: Image
Reply-To: bc751@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Howard Z. Shiau)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 22:12:38 GMT


In a previous article, cwang@gsb.columbia.edu (Chris Wang) says:

>Does anyone else besides me think that Shadow Hawk is the biggest piece of 
>junk to hit the market? I thought promos (lik the one in Youngblood) were 
>supposed to make you buy the book. Looking at what is was, the art stunk and 
>the writing was the biggest cliche I've ever read. I think issue #1 looked 
>even worse. Then I was fooled into getting Brigade where Liefield trys to
>co-plot with an artist who is a Liefield wanna-be (which I think is an 
>oxymoron). And finally, what happened to the Spawn-Violator fight that we 
>were promised after Spawn #2. It disappeared in Spawn #3. I'm starting to 
>get disillusioned with Image.
>
>-Chris
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Chris Wang                       cwang@admin.gsb.columbia.edu                                      
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------       
>
Actually, I liked Spawn.  I think that MacFarlane is a great artist.
But I agree that Shadowhawk was a big disappointment.  If you look near 
the back of Spawn #3, there is a pinup of Shadowhawk drawn by Valentino
and MacFarlane.  On the inside back cover, there's a drawing by just
Valentino.  Seems like a major difference.  I don't like Valentino's 
art at all.

Just my opinion.

Howard
-- 
Howard Shiau                       bc751@cleveland.freenet.edu
Cosyde Corporation
From: ray@gyro.exicom.oz.au (Ray Soo)
Subject: AARDVARK VANAHEIM fax / phone number wanted
Reply-To: ray@exicom.OZ.AU (the big "R")
Organization: Exicom (Aust) Pty Ltd
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:35:08 GMT

I want to get some Cerebus "phone books" and it looks like the only
way i get them is to contact Aardvark Vanaheim directly.

I presume the postal address is still the same as the one cited
in the Cerebus Companion, but it would be MUCH more convenient
to have their fax number. Failing that, a telephone number would 
suffice. Note that for me to contact them from Sydney, Australia
i'll naturally need their full international numbers.

Can anybody help in this respect?

reply to ray@exicom.OZ.AU please,

thanks in advance,
ray



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From: jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Mike Jittlov)
Subject: Re: Mike Jittlov (was Re: Worst Comic Books of All Time)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 08:31:27 GMT

tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:

>In article <jittlov.713604864@gumby.cs.caltech.edu> jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Mike Jittlov) writes:
>>I'm basically a story-teller and gift-giver.  I use film (and soon, video)
>>to communicate and give what I've discovered.  So does every fifth person

>Hmm, does this or doesn't this violate the r.a.c. rule of creative
>people in the group? To summarize, so far anyone whose name is the same
>as a writer actually is that writer, while anyone whose name is that
>of an artist (in the drawing sense) even if they also do writing is actually
>not the artist. Now, Mike certainly qualifies as a writer, but does video/film
>work cause him to be the first exception to the artist qualifier?

Still trying to figure out the above.  
If I'm a (drawing) artist, do I Go to r.a.c.-Jail?

Did do a lot of drawing for WIZARD.  The island girl (waves at wizard
running on water) was a half-inch high animation (and drawn the hard way,
no rotoscoping or models, all from distant memory).

And i drew a poster for STAR WARS in mid-1974 (they were looking for 
unknown artists, for a mysterious Flash Gordonesque feature).  Did it
in the style of a combined Jack Kirby and Al Williamson.  Looked pretty
good, some fun subliminals.  And amazingly similar to top panel, page 8
(or 9) of Valiant's ETERNAL WARRIOR #2 [call the lawyers!].
But _very_ happy they chose the Bros Hildebrandt (no contest, really).

I also have this sig.

o================================o:; ,::::,*.:::::.*.::::::::::::
|   Mike Jittlov - Wizard, etc   |';* ';;'..`::::'   `:*`:;::::::
|  jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu  |;.;+,  '* ```:'o   o `   `::;::
|    Hollywood, CA 90026-2714    |,',.::.. .' .' |\^/|:. `*:.. `*
| (213) No-Human (noon, to moon) |...May All Your \Y/ Good Dreams
| (Please allow 1 yr 4 response) |and Fine Wishes /_\ Come True:)
o================================o===============_/ \_===========

(Hi, Mmmbk!)
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: WildC.A.T.S
Keywords: Lee, Image, WildC.A.T.S
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:35:01 GMT

cwang@gsb.columbia.edu (Chris Wang) writes:
>Did anyone else notice that the T.V. news woman was the woman from SPAWN?
>I think it was the CNN lady.

You can see they're trying for some continuity.  I think every one of
the other Image titles so far has managed to casually mention the
youngbloods.  
-- 
Beware the legless man who teaches running.
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From: ray@gyro.exicom.oz.au (Ray Soo)
Subject: AARDVARK VANAHEIM fax / phone number wanted
Reply-To: ray@exicom.OZ.AU (the big "R")
Organization: Exicom (Aust) Pty Ltd
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:04:23 GMT

I want to get some Cerebus "phone books" and it looks like the only
way i get them is to contact Aardvark Vanaheim directly.

I presume the postal address is still the same as the one cited
in the Cerebus Companion, but it would be MUCH more convenient
to have their fax number. Failing that, a telephone number would 
suffice. Note that for me to contact them from Sydney, Australia
i'll naturally need their full international numbers.

Can anybody help in this respect?

reply to ray@exicom.OZ.AU please,

thanks in advance,
ray



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From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Mike Jittlov (was Re: Worst Comic Books of All Time)
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:22:22 GMT

In article <jittlov.713604864@gumby.cs.caltech.edu> jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Mike Jittlov) writes:
>I'm basically a story-teller and gift-giver.  I use film (and soon, video)
>to communicate and give what I've discovered.  So does every fifth person

Hmm, does this or doesn't this violate the r.a.c. rule of creative
people in the group? To summarize, so far anyone whose name is the same
as a writer actually is that writer, while anyone whose name is that
of an artist (in the drawing sense) even if they also do writing is actually
not the artist. Now, Mike certainly qualifies as a writer, but does video/film
work cause him to be the first exception to the artist qualifier?

"I, for one, get rather annoyed when I settle into a nice bubble bath with
some Belgian chocolate and a mystery at my side only to discover that all
of the characters in the latter are still alive at the end." --Miriam Nadel
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
From: ack@coos.dartmouth.edu (Andy J. Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: "recent romantic interest"
Date: 17 Aug 92 12:50:58 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

teo33398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doctor Zero) writes:

>	I'vce been toying with the idea that Morphy's new romantic interest
>is...da da DA...Delirium.

I highly doubt it. Why? Mainly because in the first chapter of Season Of
The Mists, it is Desire who confronts Dream on his romantic entanglements
of the past including a vague reference to (paraphrased) that one from the
place of lights or somesuch. All this in FRONT of delerium. Considering how
blunt they all are with each other, I doubt she would refer to such an
entanglement in front of the other party in the third person. ALSO since the
trailer at the end of Brief Lives #1 states that Delerium visits Dream who is
brooding over the departure of his lover.

Sorry so vague on the details, my copies are all at home.

-A
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From: camdna@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Darren Natale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,alt.sex,talk.bizarre
Subject: Cool sign-offs
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:29:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>        Support the no cool sign off coalition!

Hey, that's a pretty cool sign-off.

How's this for not cool...

DN
From: mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Legion 92 Annual (WAS Re: ECLIPSO checklist)
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:58:59 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame


 jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell) writes:
>I can't remember his name but he pencilled the Legion 92
>Annual. I didnt buy it, just looked at it cause of the
>good front cover. What is his name and what other stuff
>(if any) has he done? His art was better than the 
>standard Superhero art!

	The artist was Mike McKone, and he's done JLI annual 3, and other
JLI/A fillins from time to time.


--
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu       "Come, come Slygg..."                    +
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                                                  +
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From: u894793@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Timothy D Little)
Subject: Re: Sandman questions
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:02:21 GMT

boyes@forty2.enet.dec.com (Mark Boyes) writes:

>In article <1992Aug13.095248.1@vax1.umkc.edu>, cbjuland@vax1.umkc.edu writes...
>>I also have a question about the comcic.  What is the purpose of Dreams helmet? 
>>He was afraid to take it off in front of Lucifer (issue #23).  Does it prothim
>>or is it just a badge of office?

>According to the DC Heroes RPG, the helmet is a badge of office and allows
>immunity in the legal sense while travelling in otherdimensional realms such
>as Lucifer's Hell.

Dream's helm allows him to contact the other Eternals such as Death's Ankh or
Despair's Hooked Ring.
--
dom..

--
Timothy D Little   a.k.a.   u894793@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au
"Slicing up eyeballs I want you to know "pixies   doolittle

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From: fritz@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Katie Fritz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Batman Encyclopedia?
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:27:45 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Aug17.063230.18884@sol.UVic.CA> jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>About ten years ago or so, someone published a Complete Batman Encyclopedia.
>Our friend here who's been looking for a list of Batman's villains asked
>me for the book's actual title and publisher.  However, I can't remember what
>it is right now.  I'm sure some of you do.  It's a large format book, some
>500-odd pages long, copiously illustrated.

Perhaps you are thinking of The Encyclopedia of Comic Book Heroes, Volume 1:
Batman.  If so, it's by Michael L. Fleisher, copyright 1976, Collier Books.
It is indeed a large-format book, 387 pages.  I'm pretty sure it's out of
print, but can be had at fine used bookstores or mail-order used book
dealers.  (Fleisher never got beyond Volume 2: Wonder Woman, unfortunately.)
I have a copy, but I'm afraid I can't part with it.  :-)


-- 
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"From what I hear Earth is a podunk little place but they make great pastrami."
         -- Graetwist, "Roadways" #1, Comic Zone Publishing
              --Penn is not Penn State and I am neither--
From: shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cartoon Babes...
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:25:11 GMT
Organization: Boston University Chemistry Department

>>>In article <1992Aug3.105815.7944@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au> cjudd@esk (Craig
Thomas Judd) writes:

>>>>What?!?! With the exception (I think) of Chun Li, there are no
>>>>Japanese-style characters! What about the infamous Dirty Pair?

How dare you!!!! Anime Goddesses are to be worshipped and given sacrifices in
the form of buying LD's and manga from Books Nippan. 

On a lighter note:  "D" from Project A-KO and Ivory Fan (sp?) from Crying
Freeman definitely merit inclusion into the list.

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
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// -Phantasy Star III                    ////                               //
From: DL20@lafibm.lafayette.edu (DL20)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Atlanta 1996: Dream Olympics
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:06:04 GMT
Organization: Lafayette College
Originator: news@lafcol

Taken from a b-board here at Lafayette College.  Post made by Frank
Puskas.  Enjoy:
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Atlanta 1996: Dream Olympics?

News excerpts from coverage of the Atlanta 1996 Olympics......

"Since entering the Dream Team of basketball professionals in
the 1992 Barcelona Olympics, the United States has escalated to
include 'professionals' in every category.  In all swimming and
diving events, the US team has entered Aquaman, who claims to be
the best swimmer and diver of all time.  Wonderwoman and a reluctant
Catwoman are competing for the US in gymnastics.  Wonderwoman will be
using her magic lasso in her floor routine in lieu of a regular rope.
Flash Gordon has agreed to compete in all track competition wearing
 dial music  Superman will compete in the power lifting competion,
decatholon, and javelin throw.  Batman and Robin have thrown the
batarang into the ring of male gymnastic competition.  Captain America
will coach the basketball team, which will include Plastic Man, which
has generated some controversy........."

SWIMMING:

"Aquaman has once again outdistanced his competition without even the
slightest indication of exhaustion.  The Unified Team claims foul play,
accusing Aquaman of using mental telepathy to mobilize microorganisms to
slow them down and speed him up!"


BASKETBALL:

"...and Plastic Man, in a brilliant move, stretched his hand clear
across the court, under and around three different German players, to
score another point for the American team...."

GYMNASTICS:

"Wonderwoman was almost disqualified in her floor routine using rope,
or, in this case, magic lasso.  Wonderwoman cried foul to one of the
judges claiming she was disqualified for using a lasso, not standard
olympic rope for competition.  Wonderwoman promptly lassoed the judge,
who confessed the truth -- he was simply jealous of her mastery of the
gymnastic routine."
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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239)
Subject: Re: WildC.A.T.S
Keywords: Lee, Image, WildC.A.T.S
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:53:47 GMT

In article <rdippold.713658901@cancun> rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>cwang@gsb.columbia.edu (Chris Wang) writes:
>>Did anyone else notice that the T.V. news woman was the woman from SPAWN?
>>I think it was the CNN lady.
>
>You can see they're trying for some continuity.  I think every one of
>the other Image titles so far has managed to casually mention the
>youngbloods.  

I think Image continuity is going to start crumbling in a few issues. It
is already starting to become slightly confusing after just a handful f
issues. What is going to happen after another 6 or 7 issues are
released.

The problem is that the creators either don't have or don't want an
editor who will keep careful track of continuity and make the rest of
them try and follow it. Instead they seem determined to try and do it
themselves. The result, something that's going to make mutant continuity
positively understandable within a year.

This is yet another reason why Valiant and Dark Horse will become the
next major independents to break into the top 2 long before Image does.
All in my IMHO, of course.

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