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From: hargijk@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Thanks for posts!!!
Date: 31 Aug 92 12:10:30 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY


First of all, I would like to thank all of the people on the net who
have replied to my posts on Sl-68II vs. Trracer and Vents vs. X-fire.
I must apologize for my impatience in the Sl-68II post. I was
beggining to wonder if I was even being received. Your inputs have
helped this "newbie" decide on the Tippman Sl-68II and The Vents
Predator OTG Thermals. Once again, Thanks for your replies. 

Joey Hargis
Hargijk

I'm at the Paintball Starved Western Kentucky University.
From: Todd.Looney@f27.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Todd Looney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Sl-68II or Trracer
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:24:40 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:143/27 - Int'l Public Emerge, San Jose CA

Hello Henry!

 HC> I haven't seen the PMI Traccer in action but seen some favorable reviews
 HC> by traccer owners on the net.  Hopefully they can answer the other part of
 HC> your question.

I got a chance to placy alongside a guy who was using one up at Woodstalk in California a couple weekends ago and he seemed to splooj a lot.  At least once during every game he was cleaning out his barrell.  It was completely stock though, no modifications.  It fired fast though, and was really quiet compared to the other PMI's.  He used a butt pack for his Co2 and although his chamber got awfully cold after rapid firing, it never froze up (of course it was 90 degrees outside!  I'd bet that stock in about 

50 degree weather it would freeeze up on him though).

I'm using a PMI III and like it for stability.  I have SP barrell on it and that quiets it down a little and only splooj when I fire while running sometimes.  It dismantles easily and is quick to clean.  I like the Autocockers but you have to modify the hell out of them to get them right.  Several of the guys on our team (Apple Dumpling Game....placed 19 our of 66 in PA earlier this month!  Our first national ranking!) use Autocockers and Automags but all are modified.

 Ciao for Niao
 Todd Looney
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 INTERNET: Todd.Looney@f27.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG


Todd

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: sterling@crash.cts.com (Mike Sterling)
Subject: Vents vs. JT X-Fire
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:47:52 GMT

I like the X-fire system better for the basic reason that I wear glasses and the Vents made my glasses too uncomfortable.  I asked around to see if they had an OTG (Over The Glasses) version of the Vents, and no one had heard of one.  If
you wear glasses, this is something to consider.

Othere then that, I liked the better range of movement that I had with the Vents system, but I think that I would prefer the Scott Goggles over both systems.
The big advantage that the Scott Goggles have over both the Vents and the X-Fire is that you have a 180 degeree field of vision.  If I didn't need to wear 
glasses, this is proably the set-up that I would go with.

Mike Sterling
From: mirth@maple.circa.ufl.edu (NAME)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Correction
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:23:31 GMT
Reply-To: mirth@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: Center for Instructional and Research Computing Activities


	When I mentioned using gauze in making a silencer, I meant something 
more like a knee support bandage.

Just thought I'd clear that up.

Don
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: sterling@crash.cts.com (Mike Sterling)
Subject: Re: Southern California Warzones...
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:11:58 GMT

I play at field called Lion's Den.  Its South of Temecula.  I have a good time
there, and the owner has a great attitude.  If you'd like directions, let me know and I'll post them.

Mike Sterling
From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: SMG-60 and other things
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:38:55 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <7542@monmouth.edu> c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON) writes:
>	This brings me back to my original question: WHAT HAPPENED TO THE
>SMG-60?  And it corralary: Are there any other full auto paintguns on the
>market?
>

One of the people, I play paintball with, had an SMG-60 which subsequently
was comverted over to become a 68 special.  I was told the SMG-60 had its
share of problems.  The 62 caliber ammo tend to bounce instead of break
on target.

Today I picked up an old back issue of APG (Jan 88).  Flipping through the ads
was a trip down memory lane.  Nearly every gun advertised was based on the
Nel-Spot or the Sheridan PGP/PMI-1.  Stick feeds, 10 round tubes, and 12 grams!
There was an ad for Nelspot conversion from Skirmish.  Looked to me like the
forerunner to the famous Line SI Bushmaster.  (which I have one convienently
forsale at article #....)  Paintball has evolved much in the 4 years since
that January 88 issue.  We now have the Auto-Mag which fires 9 balls a second
;nearly equal to the rate of fire from the SMG-60.

Question:  Anyone here routinely and effectively use paint grenades in their
games and tactics?  I bought one in anticipation of the Big Game at Skirmish
but didn't get a chance to use it.

-- 
HenryC@Panix.Com
From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Gas ... CO2 N2 own tank ?
Date: 26 Aug 92 04:06:08 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <b7ang2f@lynx.unm.edu> jfol@hydra.unm.edu (Joshua Follick (Paintball Underground)) writes:
>>
>   Such an "adaptor" is what I am refering to when I say
>"fill-station." I don't know about thermo valves,
>but a fill station would be required to fill a CA
>bottle, at least those that I have seen.

Not necesarily true.  The SL-68 came with fill adapter nut which allowed you to
fill a pin valve tank directly from a thermo valve equipped bulk tank.  The
hydraulic pressure of liquid CO2 would push open the pin valve for a fill.  
Without a bleed off valve to relieve the pressure in the fill adapter you'll
likely lose a few white O-rings when you disconnect the tanks.
Another drawback is you can only weigh the tank before and after the fill.  If
you overfill you have to bleed off the excess by hand unilke a pin valve adapter
fill station which has a bleed off valve that lets you do it while you're still
hooked up to the bulk tank.


>
>   It is not difficult to purchase a Siphon fill tank, however
>you are generally looking at a $100-$150 price to purchase any
>CO2 tank siphon or not. While for a $15 deposit, either local
>fountain soda distributor will give you a CO2 tank (non-siphon)
>and bring you (yes bring you) a refill for $8. I sincerely wished
>to find someplace that would rent me a siphon CO2 tank for similar
>terms. Unfortunately such a rental agreement does not exist,
>forcing me to purchase (major sigh) which was the point of my original
>post.
>>-- 
$100-150?  For a brand new tank I presume.  You can get a used tank for
considerably less.  Whenever purchasing a tank, check for the latest date
stamped on the tank.  That indicates the last time the tank was hydrostatically
tested.  Tanks need to be tested at least every five years, but it doesn't
hurt if you aren't sure of the durability of a given tank.

I know people who are using bulk tanks which doesn't come with a siphon tube.
When the CO2 supply is running low and the valve is no longer drawing liquid
they would turn the tank upside down to fill.  I have been told that turning
a tank upside down is dangerous because thermo valves weren't design to 
operate immerse completely in liquid CO2 and this could cause the valve to
rupture or crack off (sending the tank off in the opposite direction like a 
rocket).


-- 
My friends, we can and we will, never, never, surrender to what is right.
--Dan Qualye speaking to Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Subject: Re: Vents vs. JT X-Fire
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:57:58 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Aug31.193519.7935@auto-trol.com> stedee@auto-trol.com (Steve Deemer) writes:
>In article <7540@monmouth.edu> c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug28.162138.21888@panix.com> henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan) writes:
>>>Switching to contacts isn't a practical
>>>solution for everyone since contacts don't correct for astigmatism.  :-(
>>>
>>>-- 
>>>HenryC@Panix.Com
>>
>>	You sure about that?  I have mild astigmatism yet wear contacts.  
>>They correct as well as the glasses I must somtimes wear (problems with an
>>eyelid)
>>
>I have incredibly bad astigmatism yet I have worn contacts every day 
>for the last seventeen years.  Rigid contacts can easily correct for
>this.  The cheap, off-the-shelf soft contacts that you get from
>the low cost eye shops unfortunately cannot.  There is a more expensive
>soft contact of some kind of asymetric design that will correct for
>astigmatism in most cases, but they ain't cheap.

The cheap soft contacts are the ones I was referring to.  I guess I didn't
make myself clear since I assumed rigid/hard lenses were obsolete.  I seen
the asymetric design.  They have a dot or logo you use as a landmark to
line up the lens.  The shop told me that the lens don't effectively correct
my astigmatism.
Thanks for the info about the hard lenses.

>Steve Deemer
>stedee@auto-trol.com
>


-- 
" I am from the planet Larson on the far side of the Galaxy" said the
space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck

HenryC@Panix.Com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: albertw@netcom.com (Albert Wong)
Subject: Re: Paintball Sources
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 21:27:35 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na

In article <1992Aug26.190103.553@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> kyasuda@ecn.purdue.edu (Ken Yasuda) writes:
>>One of the older silencer's I got consist of two tubes.  The inside tube
>>has holes drilled into it ala muzzle break.  Wrap a brillo(tm) pad around
>>the inner tube and slide on the outer tube.  Two giiant rubber washers hold
>>the two tubes together by friction.
>
>Brillo?  What made you choose that?    Did this silencer work any better than the
>stock TASO silencers?

It came like that.  Never bothered to change it.  Dunno, would foam work
better or maybe a sock? ^_^

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From: jfol@hydra.unm.edu (Joshua Follick (Paintball Underground))
Subject: Re: Vents vs. JT X-Fire
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 06:39:43 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Aug31.211940.29577@panix.com> henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan) writes:
>In article <7540@monmouth.edu> c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug28.162138.21888@panix.com> henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan) writes:
>>>Switching to contacts isn't a practical
>>>solution for everyone since contacts don't correct for astigmatism.  :-(
>>>
>>>-- 
>>>HenryC@Panix.Com
>>
>>	You sure about that?  I have mild astigmatism yet wear contacts.  
>>They correct as well as the glasses I must somtimes wear (problems with an
>>eyelid)
>>
>I guess your astigmatism is mild.  I couldn't find astigmatism corrected 
>contact lens for my eyes; -10.00 for right and -9.50 for left.  Heck, I
>even had trouble finding disposable lenses in my perscription.  Hmm..maybe
>I should get perscription JT goggles as an alternative.  (^-^)
>
>-- 
>HenryC@Panix.Com
 
    I have tried to find a local supplier to do something
like prescription pb goggle lenses. no luck so far. If
you actually do (it looks like you're not serious), please
post and let us know.

-- 
Old Jedi Master: Ahh Joshua, he's more machine now than man, twisted and evil.

                         New Imperial Forces Motto:
                       Outnumbered, But Not Outfought!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: jfol@hydra.unm.edu (Joshua Follick (Paintball Underground))
Subject: Re: Gas ... CO2 N2 own tank ?
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 23:07:58 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Aug22.144733.20270@panix.com> henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan) writes:
>In article <h9_nns@lynx.unm.edu> jfol@carina.unm.edu (Joshua Follick (Paintball Underground)) writes:
>>   I am not sure if you are refeering to a CA tank or refill bottle
>>for a CA tank. The CA tank we put on a gun is not refillable by
>>most gas supply places because it requires a special
>
>Not a fill station just a pin valve fill adapter.  For CO2 tanks I have
>seen two types of valves.  Pin Valve, self sealing valve, which we see 
>common on nearly all the CA tanks and the heavier Thermo Valve which uses
>a hand wheel for turning the valve on and off.  You need s special adapter to
>depress the pin valve down during the fill.  Most gas supply places should have
>no problem attaching to a Thermo Valve.
>
   Such an "adaptor" is what I am refering to when I say
"fill-station." I don't know about thermo valves,
but a fill station would be required to fill a CA
bottle, at least those that I have seen.

>>fill station. The refill bottle should be a siphon tank, which
>>I have not been able to find for rent, and thus had to purchase.
>
>Gas Supply houses and centers which service and repair fire extinguishers should
>be able to install a siphon tube if your tank doesn't come with one.
>
   It is not difficult to purchase a Siphon fill tank, however
you are generally looking at a $100-$150 price to purchase any
CO2 tank siphon or not. While for a $15 deposit, either local
fountain soda distributor will give you a CO2 tank (non-siphon)
and bring you (yes bring you) a refill for $8. I sincerely wished
to find someplace that would rent me a siphon CO2 tank for similar
terms. Unfortunately such a rental agreement does not exist,
forcing me to purchase (major sigh) which was the point of my original
post.
>-- 
>My friends, we can and we will, never, never, surrender to what is right.
>--Dan Qualye speaking to Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition.
>


-- 
Old Jedi Master: Ahh Joshua, he's more machine now than man, twisted and evil.

                         New Imperial Forces Motto:
                       Outnumbered, But Not Outfought!
From: polito@sal-sun9.usc.edu (Ryan Polito)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Southern California Warzones...
Date: 1 Sep 1992 12:43:35 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun9.usc.edu


In article <19920828170424IZZYOA1@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>, IZZYOA1@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU writes:
|>  CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME OF A GOOD SOLID, FUN, DIVERSE, WELL MANAGED
|>  PAINTBAL FIELD NEAR THE LOS ANGELES AREA?  LIVING IN THIS CITY LEAVES
|>  MUCH TO BE DESIRED WHEN IT COMES TO PAINTBALL.  MY INSTICTIVE DESIRE
|>  TO SPLATER PEOPLE WITH PAINT THANKS YOU.


If you find one let me know.

I used to play at the War Zone in Corona but they lost their lease on the land
and I haven't found a suitable repacement yet.  I played once at Sat Cong
Village,  but it didn't compare to WZ.  I'm desperate.  It's been over a year
since I've played and I suffering from withdrawl over here.  I live  in the San
Gabriel valley.  Any idears? 


Ryan


polito@usc.edu

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From: sterling@crash.cts.com (Mike Sterling)
Subject: Re: Vents vs. JT X-Fire
Date: 29 Aug 92 01:00:02 GMT

I can't wear contacts, so that's not a solution for me.  I found that any 
defogger will keep my glasses fog free.

Mike

PS: Anyone out there going to the Big Game at Weekend Warriors in Alpine next
weekend?
From: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Vents Predators?
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:13:02 GMT
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA

Thursday August 27 1992 14:59, hargijk@wkuvx1.bitnet wrote to All:

 hb> O.K. since no one will answer my post about the Sl-68II vs. Trracer, I
 hb> have decided to try again. This time though, I want to know what
 hb> people think about the Vents Predator OTG Thermals. If you have one,
 hb> let me know how you feel about it versus JT X-Fire system. Is it
 hb> better or worse and why?

I have the Vents with the single-pane lens, and its good stuff. I don't
have the optional forehead, temple/ear, or throat guards, so can't comment
on that. The goggle/mask part is very comfortable, doesn't fog up so far
(I keep hearing others on the field complaining about fogging), and I have
good visibility out of them. Can't comment on the X-Fire, haven't used one.

John

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From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Subject: Re: Newbie to paint needs advice
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 03:40:11 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC
Keywords: wanted,guns,pball

In article <1992Sep1.005932.26348@cs.rose-hulman.edu> trimblte@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu writes:
>Distribution: world
>
>Hey!  I just broke into the realm of paintball this summer and can't get  
>enough!  I would really like to find a way to get heavily involved on a  
>limited budget.  (READ: I'm a college student.)  Would the all knowing  
>community suggest that I rent equipment for a while and save for a gun,  
>buy something used _very_ cheap and take what I get, or take a mortgage on  
>my dorm room and buy something new?  Also, when/if I buy, what should I  
>buy?  I've seen so many damned guns advertised I'd think the market would  
>be supersaturated.  Anyone have any great suggestions (or great used guns  
>they want to unload at giveaway prices) ?  In all, I love the game and my  
>IPPA # should be in the mail to me now!
>
>Todd Trimble

About once a month or so the rec.sport.paintball FAQ and equipment FAQ is
by Robert Osborne.  If your site keeps old articles online for more than
a week, it should still be around.  If not, be patient and it will be
posted soon enough.  :-)

Since you are new to this game, buying a gun wouldn't be the best way to
safely start off in this sport.  I suggest borrow or use rental guns for
a while until you get an ideal of your shooting needs.  If you feel a need
to buy a paintball related item then I suggest getting a piece of safety
equipment such as a quality goggle/mask set.

Yes, there are soo many damn guns being advertised out there.  This is an
indication of the healthiness and growth of the sport.  Not too long ago,
say back 5-6 years, your choice of guns was limited to barely a handful.
As for tips on getting great bargins on used guns.  Currently the hottest
guns are semi-autos.  Nearly everyone I know are upgrading to a semi.
You can get yourself a great bargin on used quality pump guns such as
Phantoms, Apex Elites, and Bushmasters which would've have cost $300-400
barely a year-year and half ago.  You can also get a good deal on new
pump guns and the prices for older generation semis are also dropping( to
compete with the new semis).

Hope this helps.

-- 
" I am from the planet Larson on the far side of the Galaxy" said the
space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck

HenryC@Panix.Com
From: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: ?
Date: 26 Aug 92 02:25:34 GMT
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA

Tuesday August 25 1992 12:39, Albert Wong wrote to All:

 >> Just wondering if my newsgroup feed has subscribed my machine to
 >> rec.sport.paintball yet.
 >>
 >> Paint Check!   :-)

 AW> no break! ^_^

JUDGE! ;-)

John

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:39:47 -0400 
From: Troy Franklin Tinsman <tt1m+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Vents vs. JT X-Fire



As for my personal experience, I have the X-fire with thermal goggles.
Even on hot sweaty summers, I've had absolutely no problem with fogging.
The X-fire in my opinion is awesome, as long as you get the thermals.
Also, personally, I think it looks better than the vents.
From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Sl-68II or Trracer
Date: 28 Aug 92 03:26:04 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <4025.2A9D5798@kennel.FIDONET.ORG> Todd.Looney@f27.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Todd Looney) writes:

Does this mean there is a stable gateway for rec.sport.paintball to fido-net?
Is rec.sport.paintball, and alt.sport.paintball as well, being relayed to 
fido-net? 


-- 
My friends, we can and we will, never, never, surrender to what is right.
--Dan Qualye speaking to Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: roeschmf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Martin F. Roesch)
Subject: Re: paintball use
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 06:17:26 GMT

  I have found that my paint expenditures have increased as this summer has
worn on.  I have a Phantom pump gun, so my ROF should be low, right?  WRONG!
At the beginning of this summer, I went through a day of six thirty-minute
games and only used 173 rounds.  Later on, I got a hundred rnd. Viewloader,
a muzzel break, and an UltraDOT, and as of last Sunday, shot 501 rnds.  That's
a pretty big expansion.  I used to max out at around 300 rnds in a day, but
since semis have become so prevalent, I find it necessary to put out a ROF
at times to keep THEIR heads down.  I've had more than a few people see me in
the staging area and say, "Geez, when you opened up on me I thought you had
an Automag!"  Not true, just a refined auto-triggering method.  Just goes to
show that some experience can go a long way in the face of technology.

   Marty
      roeschmf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu

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