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From: david@tms390.micro.ti.com (David Thomas)
Subject: Re: Fill Him Out Diet
Organization: Texas Instruments, Houston
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:39:05 GMT

karen@misty.boeing.com (Karen Robinson) writes:

>The name of the high-calorie diet supplement is Nurti-Cal, available from
>your vet.   Possibly also available from pet food stores.

We use Nutri-Cal a lot.  Good stuff.  Can get it from Foster & Smith or
Vet Express, listed below.

Here are some mail-order sources for cat supplies that are not listed
in the FAQ file for this group.  Some of these carry medications that 
you can't find in pet supply stores.  [Cindy--how's this?]

Cat Claws, Inc.
P.O. Box 1774
Des Plaines, IL   60018
Phone: 708-981-1873
FAX:   708-981-0662
Cardboard scratching posts, flea remedies/combs, toys, cat trees.

Doctors Foster & Smith
2253 Air Park Road
Rhinelander, WI    54501-0100
Phone: 800-826-7206
Canine, feline, and equine vaccines, medications, and grooming preparations.
Cat toys, beds, furniture, collars.  Most of the other stuff is for dogs.

Master Animal Care
Lake Road
P.O. Box 3333
Mountaintop, PA    18707-0330
Phone: 800-346-0749
For cats and dogs--fold-down cages, cat doors (10 different types),
vaccines and syringes (limited selection), lots of grooming supplies,
dog breed books, gift items for people.

Pedigrees
1989 Transit Way
Box 905
Brockport, NY    14420-0905
Phone: 716-637-1431
Ask for "The Pet Catalog"--this is stuff for dogs and cats.
Cat doors (incl. electromagnetic), beds, bowls, collars, toys.
Stuff for people, too: sweaters, T-shirts, gift items.

Vet Express
655 Washington
P.O. Box 1168
Rhinelander, WI    54501
Phone: 800-458-7656
Widest selection of canine, feline, and equine vaccines, medications, 
and grooming preparations.  Serious stuff.
-- 
David Thomas  Texas Instruments  (david@wotangate.sc.ti.com)  (713)-274-2347
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: toftner@icd.teradyne.com (Liv Toftner)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Early Wake Up Calls
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:35:36 GMT
Reply-To: toftner@icd.teradyne.com
Organization: Teradyne, Inc. Boston MA

>IT'S THE FOOD DEAR... Somehow, put even more time between when they eat and
>when you get up - disconnect the two events completely.

Depends on the cat, my two are not interested in food, they want to play.  The
dood is always available, but Pounce is awake at the crack of dawn or pre-dawn.
If he is awake, I am supposed to be awake, after all, what are humans for?

Liv, Pounce and Lion
From: cyndie@sequent.com (Cyndie Sutherland)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Torties (was Two Siamese Cats Free to a Good Home
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:26:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1993Jan12.162657.17369
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

In article <1993Jan9.162145.9311@wetware.com> diana@com (CatWoman ) writes:
>
>You can take it from me - Orange and black torties
>DO exist, and usually are female.  A former housemate

This is true.  I have tortie that is black, white, and rust.  She has
a few different tones of rust also.  She is also very stupid, but very
affectionate once she finds her way out of the hallway in the
apartment.
From: ac999257@umbc3.umbc.edu (ac999257)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Indoor/Outdoor, another perspective
Date: 6 Jan 1993 21:31:08 -0500
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
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In article <1ifqljINNdvk@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> loeffll@xanth.CS.ORST.EDU (Lisa Loeffler) writes:
>
>Anyhow, the subject I have never seen raised on this issue is this.  Most
>people would either agree or at least understand when we discuss keeping
>dogs under control and out of other peoples yards, etc.  What about cats?
>Max used to love to sit in my neighbors window and torment her indoor
>cat, particularly at three in the morning.  I am sure that would annoy
>me to no end.  Don't we have the same responsibility to control our cats
>as we do to control our dogs?
>

Everybody start laughing now because you're gonna get a good chuckle.
I watched a People's Court episode where one person tried to get
a cat owner to pay for some damage the cat did. Judge Wapner, in his
infinite wisdom ruled in favor of the cat owner saying that we are
not responsible for what our cat's do since they are independent animals
and we can't control them. I have no idea whether that's really
the law or if it's the law in every state or Judge Wapner was just
a cat lover at heart. But it made perfect sense to me. Any lawyers out
there willing to give a little free advice?

I believe we do have a responsibility to not annoy our neighbors. That
may mean we should try to keep our cats from annoying them too. But it's
up to the neighbor to complain first. Has yours made any complaints yet?
If not, don't worry about it. You can't fix what you don't know is
annoying. If yes, then you do have at least a nice-neighbor responsibility
to control what your cat is doing to your neighbor.

Related to the indoor-outdoor controversy, no one has mentioned much 
the contageous disease aspect. I used to let my two current cats
outside on supervised outings. They loved it, and I thought it was
okay -- until the worm and flea episode. It's not a treat to give
worm medicine to my cats, and I don't like the flea bites -- no,
collars, baths, and powders do NOT prevent ALL flea bites. Both worms
and fleas are a plague of outside (even occasional outside) cats.
And what about other things like feline leukemia. Those of you who
let your cats outside -- have you had your cats properly vaccinated
and do you keep those vaccinations current? And there are lots
of other contageous diseases. There are a lot more reasons to keep a
cat inside than there are to let it outside.

Mary


Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: lhuffman@stsci.edu
Subject: Re: HELP! Kitten poops in bathtub.
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 17:51:57 GMT

In article <19426@mindlink.bc.ca>, Christine_Code@mindlink.bc.ca (Christine Code) writes:
> What can we do to deter our kitten (he's about 2 months old) from pooping in
> the bathtub?
> 
> We've tried keeping a bit of water in the tub, but we can't find a completely
> leak proof tub-stopper, so the water soon drains out.  :(   We don't want to
> fill the tub up all the way, because we'd be afraid of drowning our little
> friend if he jumps in thinking that the tub is empty.
> 
> We change his litter frequently.   We scold him when we catch him pooping in
> the tub.  We reward him with a kitty treat and much praise when we find him
> pooping in the litter box.  Hopefully this will all have some effect.
> 
> Any additional ideas?  If there is a leak-proof bathtub stopper on the
> market, please tell me how I can get one!
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> ....Christine

Take you kitty to the vet for a check-up. I found that sometimes if they have 
a mild urinary tract infection, peeing in a cool bathtub is one of the things 
they do. The infection ( if it is that) will get worse and he will start peeing
other places. 

Scolding or rewarding won't work because if it is an infection, he is not being
a naughty kitty.
From: hcrain@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Helen C Crain)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Thank you all
Date: 8 Jan 1993 22:57:11 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Reply-To: hcrain@convex.csd.uwm.edu
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Originator: hcrain@convex.csd.uwm.edu

A
Anyway, thank all of you for sharing.  
-- 
Helen C. Crain             hcrain@convex.csd.uwm.edu 
UWMilwaukee Nursing                   Wisconsin, USA
"There is more of good nature than good sense at the
bottom of most marriages"    HD Thoreau
Organization: Engineering Design Research Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Date: Fri,  8 Jan 1993 09:50:39 -0500 
From: "Tara L. Taylor" <tt1p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Cat insomnia ritual..Help! 

My 13 week old gray & tan tabby "Ezmerelda" 
keeps me awake at night. She used to sleep all night, 
next to my head, but just recently she started this 
pacing ritual. She goes from one side of my head to 
the other, purring, meowing and tickling me with her 
whiskers. I try petting her, talking to her, and
playing, but nothing works. She will lie down for 
five minutes and just as I fall asleep she is back 
up pacing again. I guess she is not sleepy because 
she sleeps most of the day while I'm at work. 
I just wonder why she didn't do this until now...
I've had her for almost two months. 

Any suggestions?                                

Thanks,

Tara

P.S. I tried keeping her out of the bedroom, but then
she whines all night. Also, I can't resist her, she's so
sweet and furry.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Trimming claws
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 21:54:14 GMT


Our kitties hated getting their claws trimmed when they were younger --
we used to have to wrap each one on a towel with only its head and the
appropriate paws sticking out!  Now they endure it -- I won't say they
love it, but they don't squirm (much) and it hasn't taken two people
for years!  My youngest had his claws trimmed since he was very small,
and we didn't have anywhere near as much trouble with him.  I recommend
starting right away, even if you just pretend to clip, so that the
kitten can get used to it.

Jamie


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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: sherrill@ruhroh.viewlogic.com (Sherrill St. Germain)
Subject: Re: Early Wake Up Calls
Originator: sherrill@ruhroh
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:20:03 GMT



We broke Morsel of this bad habit by making 2 changes.

1.  Although he has dry food available all the time, we were
feeding him the wet stuff in the morning.  Naturally, he kept
wanting to be fed earlier & earlier and came howling at the 
door (he is not allowed in the bedroom because I am allergic).  
When he got to 6:15, we decided to change his wet food feeding
time to our dinnertime.  He complained for about 5 days (crying
at the door in the morning), but each time he complained, we...

2.  cranked up the vaccuum which we had hooked up outside the 
door (stole this idea from the FAQ.)  Felt bad but he would 
hightail it & we would get about another 1/2 hour sleep.

Now that he's accustomed to eating at night, he only comes
howling at the door after he hears the shower.

Sherrill

P.S.  Good news for us allergic kitty lovers!  There is now 
a serum available to cure people of their allergies to kitties.
It's only about a year on the market, so doctors are not yet sure
if it will be as effective as other serums (for ragweed, dust, etc, 
which cure 80% of the people treated) but they are optimistic.

I got my first shot yesterday & hope to be able to let Morsel 
in the bedroom sometime before, say, the year 2000.  ;)

NOTE: This is not for the commitment-shy.  I have to have a 
shot every week for the first 6 months, then every 2 weeks for
the next 6 months, then every 3 weeks, then every month for approx.
the next 5 years!
From: lianne@bcarh17e.BNR.CA (Lianne Barre)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Should they fight it out?
Date: 4 Jan 93 06:30:36 GMT
Reply-To: lianne@bcarh17e.BNR.CA (Lianne Barre)
Distribution: world
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <C018C2.LFB@Novell.COM>, lyndap@Novell.COM (Lynda Peterson) writes:
|>I have had my new kitten, Haides (female), for about two weeks now. I have  
|>an older cat, Boo (female), who is four years. Haides is 7 weeks. During  
|>the day while I am gone, they are separated. That is, Haides is shut in a  
|>room with food and a litter box, and Boo has the run of the house. They  
|>have met each other and are not too pleased. Well, at least Boo is not  
|>very happy. When I let them be together, Haides wants to play and chases  
|>Boo. Boo hisses, swipes at her and hits her. Haides hasn't been hurt yet  
|>but, I can't seem to get them to stop fighting. So far we have avoided  
|>injuries by separating them when it got too violent. My husband says I  
|>should just let them "duke" it out. Is this true? And, what else can I do  
|>to make this better? I give them equal one-on-one attention and Boo gets  
|>treats and canned food when she seems particularly stressed about the  
|>whole thing. Haides can't have treats because she has diarrhea but, she  
|>gets lots of love. Any suggestions are appreciated.
|>
..signature deleted..
                      
Two weeks isn't a very long time. Just be patient and continue what you're
doing. They usually work it out on their own. They may not become best
buddies but they should develop some sort of "pecking order". Just make
sure that Boo doesn't get out of hand and actually hurt the kitten.

We're very fortunate that our two cats just love each other; they're 
practically inseparable, until Salvador wants some peace and quiet and
hides somewhere. They're much closer in age (about 6 months apart) which
makes a difference, I think. 

The hardest thing I found was not intervening when the cats were "fighting".
It would look harmless enough, but eventually Salvador would start getting
rough. Our theory was that if one of them cried out (and it wasn't always
the kitten :) ), and the other stopped, it was okay. I only jumped in if 
things got out of hand; sometimes Salvador would go crazy and the kitten
couldn't get away; that was enough!

Just make sure you give lots of attention to Boo, so she doesn't get
jealous. Another technique I used was to play with both of them at the same
time; sometimes they would get so involved in the game that they'd forget
about "the enemy"!

Good luck, and lots of patience..Lianne.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: shari@modcomp.uucp (Shari Bernhard)
Subject: Re: Kitty Sitting
Organization: MODCOMP, an AEG company
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 13:20:31 GMT

lm00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Louise B. McFeaters) writes:

>I will be going away for a week, and a girlfriend of mine with 3 old
>cats of her own has offered to kitty sit for me. Do you think that old
>cats will shread my little kitten? She is 4 months old. Thanks for
>responding.

>Louise

You may want to take the kitten over to your friend's house a few days
before you have to leave to see how they would react to each other.
Also keep in mind that some cats *never* adapt to another (Cassandra
has always been an outcast to the other three -Ones), and other times
they may adopt a kitten as their very own.  Check it out first.

Shari Bernhard
(Mom to Gray-One, White-One, Little-One, and of course, the 'Sanders)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: ruthc@sco.COM (Ruth Colby)
Subject: Re: Torties (was Two Siamese Cats Free to a Good Home
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:41:09 GMT


In article <1993Jan13.000826.10541@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au> ccd@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Carol C Denehy) writes:
>In article <1993Jan12.162657.17369@sequent.com> cyndie@sequent.com (Cyndie Sutherland) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan9.162145.9311@wetware.com> diana@com (CatWoman ) writes:

>>>You can take it from me - Orange and black torties
>>>DO exist, and usually are female.  A former housemate

>>This is true.  I have tortie that is black, white, and rust.  She has
>>a few different tones of rust also.  She is also very stupid, but very

>Emma is orange and black with not a spot of white any where. She
>Penny is tabby
>some orange and some black-with-tipped and is white on tummy,
>face, feet, tip of tail, and almost a complete white necklace.

Cici is black and orange, with a small white bib.  there's a white
patch on her belly, there's also a patch on her belly that looks like
pure orange tabby, and other patches that look completely different.


>I also firmly believe that torties are all a bit strange. My vet
>confirms this with his experience.

my parents had a tortie, I had named her Patches, but she was never
called that, we called her Baby and/or Stupid.  she'd play the hide-
behind-the-sofa-then-run-out-and-grab-the-human's-ankles game for 
hours.

Cici isn't quite that strange, but she certainly isn't normal, either.

-r
-- 
i almost electrocuted myself trying to piss in the hedges, but it was worth it.
							-timmie rotarian
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats,alt.drugs
From: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Subject: Re: Choice (was Cats and LSD)
Reply-To: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 22:11:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.225105.4735@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> lrabe@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lee A Rabe) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.162019.3011@cnsvax.uwec.edu> drumm@cnsvax.uwec.edu (Danny) writes:
>>other owners will pour a bowl of beer for their dog. 
>
>A very very good reason NOT to do this (ie give alcohol to a pet) is that it
>can kill them.  Amount that is fatal varies with the size of the pet.  I have
>heard that for cats it can be as little as a tablespoon of table wine.

Our two cats have never shown any interest in either beer or wine, and clearly
don't like the smell when we offer it to them (we do this so they stop bugging
us for a taste, because we know they won't like it).

Abby is *very* fond of Bailey's Irish Cream, though she has never been given
more than a few drops off a finger. Other foods she goes absolutely nuts over
are smokey Swiss cheese and cream cheese.
-- 
Ruth Milner                          NRAO/VLA                  Socorro NM
Computing Division Head      rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu
From: laurel.schippers@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Laurel Schippers) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Bengals & Himalayans
Date: 4 Jan 93 10:04:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, W-NET HQ, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Reply-To: laurel.schippers@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Laurel Schippers) 

From: gisie@wam.umd.edu (Satan)
-> My first cat was a Russian Blue that followed me home
-> when I was trick or treating many years ago.  After we
-> couldnt locate the owner, we kept her.  She was the
-> smartest and family oriented cat we ever owned!

No offense, but your cat probably wasn't a Russian Blue.
                                           
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From: nlp@pacvax.pacersoft.com (Nancy Pilsch)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Declawing
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:56:14 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pets.cats
Organization: Pacer Software, Inc

When I adopted Hobbes from the Humane Society one of the questions on the
application would I declaw a cat?  I said no, but I wonder if they would
have allowed me to adopt him if I had said yes??
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: dschlow@epas.utoronto.ca (Deborah Schlow)
Subject: Re: Human Nail Clippers
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Distribution: rec.pets.cats
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:48:35 GMT
Followup-To: Human Nail Clippers
Summary: why not?
Keywords: cats, claws nail clippers

In article <1993Jan11.133704.4826@wkuvx1.bitnet> shroymp@wkuvx1.bitnet (Mike Shroyer ) writes:
>Hi all,
>	I lost my copy of the FAQ so shoot me if this is in there. 
>Can you use regular human clippers to trim a cats nails?  I friend of
>mine said his mom used to use them when he was a kid and it didn't
>seem to bother them.
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Mike Shroyer                        shroymp@wkuvx1.bitnet
>  Western Kentucky University         shroyer@wku.edu (don't use much)


Why not? I've been doing this for fifteen years on my two cats. We
also use regular human clippers on the ferret. And we use the same
ones for us. I just KNOW that this will create an endless discussion
on the probable negative psychological side effects on our cats that
not using the $15.00 cat clippers on our darlings will have, but mine
don't really seem to have suffered all that much from it.

Deborah, Vera and Sting

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: thinman@netcom.com (Technically Sweet)
Subject: Re: Squirrel Hunting Cat
Organization: International Foundation for Internal Freedom
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:28:58 GMT

rob@cad4.lbl.gov (Robert J. McNamara) writes:

>Our cat Hobbes (a red tabby) has taken to hunting squirrels and bringing
>us their bodies...not the heads, mind you, just the bodies. What he does
>with their heads we don't know (we think he's working on pile of 
>squirrel skulls somewhere in the backyard). He usually leaves these "gifts"
>on our dining room floor. Nice, huh?

He brings you these things because you're his family
and he makes social points by providing the group with 
food.  Remember, in human terms he is emotionally stuck 
in mid-teens and very insecure.  He expects you to eat 
them with him.  By not doing so you are making him feel 
rejected and a failure.

If you keep ignoring his needs you're heading for 
psycho kitty city.  Bon Appetit!

-- 

Lance Norskog
thinman@netcom.com
Data is not information is not knowledge is not wisdom.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: "barry schiele" <barry.schiele@canrem.com>
Subject: help needed with stinky s
Reply-To: "barry schiele" <barry.schiele@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:23:14 EST

Re problem with stink stools. I also had this problem when feeding
science diet. Changed to IAMS and stools much more tolerable. If you
change foods do so slowly. Mix a little of the new food with the old and
slowly increase the amout of new food. This will minimaize the possibity
of intestinal upset and diarrhea. Remember most cats can not digest
milk. Feeding milk will also result in diarrhea. PS i am a breeder of
DEVON REX cats.
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: lhuffman@stsci.edu
Subject: RE: Early Wake Up Calls
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:05:09 GMT

I have had cats for a 100 years, so you'd think at some time I'd learn.

The story:
I free choice feed my guys, so I haven't run into the problem you describe. As
a matter of fact my guys are like stones in the morning and I have to thread
my way out from under covers, sheets, and warm 100lb cat bodies.

However, the large cat food bowl runs out sometimes before its weekly refill.
When this occurs (but I am as yet aware), I get followed, purred at, jumped on,
brushed, talked to, stared at intently (at eye level from the rim of the
bathroom sink whilst I am 'en toilet'), batted, pawed, bitten, and murowed at.
I ALWAYS misinterpret these sign of affection as signs of affection for me;
I congratulate myself on being such a wonderful person that my cats are in
love with me.

Silly me.

At some point, I check the bowl and realize it is empty and it is the food 
not me, they love and are missing that is causing such displays.

When they bowl is refilled, everyone eats, some throw up (depending on how
long they have gone without food, poor darlings, and must gorge), and then
saunter off to fall asleep somewhere.

I become again just that big cat who lives with us in this house and can be
randomly ignored.

So, how does relate to your question?

IT'S THE FOOD DEAR... Somehow, put even more time between when they eat and
when you get up - disconnect the two events completely.