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From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Beer (was Re: New World beer)
Date: 26 Aug 92 09:40:59 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:

>In article <JIM.92Aug25144713@hunter.cs.strath.ac.uk> jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid) writes:
>=>In article <1992Aug24.124345.19039@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>=>
>=>   "Scotch" in Northern England and Scotland refers to a variety
>=>   of beer which is the rough equivalent of "mild" in the South
>=>
>=>Eh? I have never ever heard anyone - not even the most vulgarly
>=>dressed American tourists - refer to beer in Scotland as "Scotch".
>=>Beers other than lagers and stouts are known as "heavy", "special" or
>=>"export". These are usually mass-pasteurised chemical fizz from the
>=>big brewers. They are the rough (rough being the operative word)
>=>equivalent of English keg bitter.

>Then you must have missed the adverts for "McEwan's Best Scotch - the one
>you've got to come home for".

I wouldn't 'come home' for anything made by Scottish & Newcastle. McEwan's
Best Scotch isn't sold or advertised here


Dave

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From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: QE I (WasWRe: QE2/QE II)
Date: 1 Sep 92 11:56:07 GMT
	<1992Aug31.145813.23224@ttinews.tti.com>
	<7143@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com>,<1992Aug31.171253.18856@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>
	<1992Aug31.182833.19425@menudo.uh.edu>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
In-reply-to: chem91@Rosie.UH.EDU's message of 31 Aug 92 18:28:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.182833.19425@menudo.uh.edu> chem91@Rosie.UH.EDU ("Bill Harrison (713)-743-2789") writes:

   The QM will probably now be scrapped...

Southampton council are trying to buy it, restore it, and transport it back
to Southampton as a tourist attraction and museum.  (Southampton is where the
transatlantic liners used to depart from.)
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Why I read the Economist
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 11:06:17 GMT


	I think I sense a touch of sour grapes from the Left of the House.
	Our original poster should have praised "New Society" or "New
	Statesman".  He would have received the approbation of the
	politically colorectal and the admiration of the rest for
	his forebearance and imagination.

	Alec.
From: martin.baines@uk.sun.com (Martin Baines - Sun UK - SE Manager Cambridge)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Stansted or Gatwick
Date: 26 Aug 1992 09:01:37 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Ltd
Distribution: world
Reply-To: martin.baines@uk.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: bottomdog.uk.sun.com

In article 191@irsaims.UUCP, dennis@irsaims.UUCP (Dennis Hank) writes:
>
>	My wife and I will be travelling to London (first time) in October
>	and had planned on using frequent flier mileage to purchase our
>	tickets.  Unfortunately, Amer. Airlines will only allow you to use
>	those miles if you fly into Stansted.  We had intended to fly into
>	Gatwick because my son is living in Surrey (Leatherhead) and it
>	seemed to be close in proximity.  We will be renting a car, also.
>	Is it a difficult and long drive from Stansted to the Surrey area
>	and would I be forced to drive through London or is there a beltway
>	around the City ?  What would the traffic be like on a Saturday or
>	Sunday Morning ?  

You are correct in assessing the distances: Leatherhead is a lot closer to
Gatwick than Stanstead: guestimate journey times:

From Gatwick   30-40 minutes
From Stanstead 80-120 minutes

However, the journey from Stanstead is very straight forward: it is
more or less motorway all the way (M11, M25). It does mean you
get the "pleasure" of the most congested road in the country
the M25 London Orbital motorway, however on a saturday/sunday
morning it should not be too bad (i.e. I would expect all the traffic
to keep moving all the way) and you should be able to drive
at 70 all the way (or faster if you want to risk the hidden
camaras and a fine).

Also Stanstead is a *much* more pleasant airport it has only
just opened its new terminal, and is way underused. Arriving
from the US you are likely to be the only flight in
international arrivals/customs and should clear in the time
it takes you to walk through baggage reclaim, immigration
and customs. AA flies into the old South Terminal at Gatwick
which is an overcrowded Zoo: you can expect to be amongst
a large number of long haul arrivals, and (depending on
season) an even larger number of tourists back from holidays
in the Med. The queues for non EC passport holders at
immigration there are often very long, and could easily
add 30+ minutes to the time it takes to clear the airport.

What would I do in your shoes: I'd chose Stanstead, and
pocket the money saved on the ticket, but as they say
on games shows: "The Choice is Yours".

Martin

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From: cthorne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Charles E Thorne)
Subject: Re: Ordering Levi jeans from the US to UK
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:15:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.193144.19829@rdg.dec.com> cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn) writes:

>	Given that the price of Levi's in the UK is nothing short
>of a rip off, I'm thinking of ordering mine from the US and paying
>realistic US prices (about $30-$35 for a pair of 501's). They are 
>at least twice that price in the UK.

>So, does anyone know if Levis does mail order, whether they have
>a catalogue, and where I should write to to get one.

I'm not sure this will help but you might try.  Incidentally, I'm curious
about what the reason is for the high cost in Europe.  If it's primarily
import taxes or VAT, you'll probably still have to pay those if you buy 
from a reputable merchant.

Both Sears, Roebuck and J.C. Penney's sell Levi's (they used to sell only
their own--Roebuck's and Plain Pockets, but now they sell Levi's as well).
If you're in the U.S., you should consider picking up at least a sales
catalog for both of these and see if they will ship internationally.

Their local addresses are (for catalog offices):

	Sears Roebuck and Co.
	Northland Shopping Mall
	1811 Morse Road
	Columbus, OH 43229

	J.C. Penney Co., Inc.
	Catalog Distribution Center
	5555 Scarborough Blvd.
	Columbus, OH 43232

Both Sears and Penney's have local catalog distribution centers which
are totally automated and occupy about 100 acres, each.  So I'm sure 
you should get something from at least one of them.

Charlie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: Problem with 'they' (etc) as 3p singular common gender pron.
Reply-To: Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:21:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.102400.3147@osf.org>, david@postman.gr.osf.org (David
George) writes:

|>In article <1992Aug26.224805.12829@dscomsf.desy.de>, hallam@zeus02.desy.de
|>(Phill Hallam-Baker) writes:
|>
|>|> 
|>|> Huh! what do the yanks know about English, they put a dyslexic in charge
|>of
|>|> writting the dictionary and as a result are unable to spell ....
|>   ^^^^^^^^
|>
|>Is this a joke or some sort of legal term ?

Both of course! As you well know writting is a well known form of humour often
indulged in by jolly chaps such as the late Mr Maxwell. The prankster calls upon
that well known source of fun Mr Peter Carter-Ruck and he then ensures that in
the morning the jolly jape is nicely on the recipients desk.

Actualy the composition of dictionaries by dyslexics is not uncommpon, hence the
origin of the term dyslexicographer which became abreviated over time to the
form we know today.

There is an interesting theory that the spelling mistakes in Webster are in fact
deliberate and that they were introduced in order to make scrabble more
challenging. As someone who without fail always picks up six vowels and the Z I
think the game is already difficult enough.

BTW is it only me that can buy the whole of Regent St, Mayfair etc only to have
no other players land on them until I have had to mortgage the damn things? I
think that monopoly reform is long overdue, perhaps merging this with some form
of mornington cresent would be a good idea?

--

Phill Hallam-Baker
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Dum dee dum...
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 10:55:59 GMT

In article <10078@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> colin@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>In <21780613@otter.hpl.hp.com> sjmz@otter.hpl.hp.com (Stefek Zaba) writes:
>
>You are joking about Phil, aren't you? Surely his artificial hip hasn't
>rejected the rest of his body and gone solo?

	I can't imagine Phil being artificially or naturally hip.  Just
	not done for a conservative farmer and JP.

	Alec.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans @ IME)
Subject: VNS: Wed 26-Aug-1992
Keywords: VNS,sport
Organization: Digital Equipment Service Industries Solutions Company Ltd
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 11:02:48 GMT


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.tv.uk,rec.arts.drwho,alt.tv.prisoner
From: rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus)
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK, Now: British TV in North America
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 05:41:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep01.041412.11899@admiral.uucp> dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman) writes:
>
>A graphic novel is just a bigger, more sturdily bound comic book. As for the
>content, well, it wasn't bad, but there's nothing great about it. Too much
>of the material in it comes directly from the series, and it doesn't come up
>with enough of its own.
>
The main advantage to doing something as a graphic novel is that it doesn't
have to conform to the standards of the Comics Code Authority, an American
self-governing system which sets the standards for comics published in the
US.  Although not all comics are published under the standard of the Code,
it's supposedly accepted as a "rating system" similar to the one used for
movies, but much more simplified; there are books which have the Code's
approval, and there are books which don't, whether they chose not to seek
it or were denied it.  The graphic novel is basically a way to get away
with doing things you normally wouldn't do in a medium most Americans
consider "for kids only".  Some comics companies, however (I  won't mention
any names; that's a debate for rec.arts.comics.misc), use GNs simply as
a marketing ploy to sell more expensive comics.  

The Walrus
From: zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Lane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Queen - Worse than Robert Maxwell ????
Date: 2 Sep 92 07:20:54 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England, M13 9PL.

In article <1992Sep1.094927.21892@cs.hw.ac.uk> neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite) writes:
>On the Monarchy subject, I wrote down a few facts and educated guesses
>by professional Royal Watchers quoted on 'The Monarchy' documentary
>series on ITV. I think you'll find it 'illuminating'  .....
>
>Comments anyone .........
>
>Neil The Treasonable

It would have been a bit more enlightening to indicate the ownership of each
item as well as the running costs.  For instance, she doesn't personally own
all the palaces.  These would continue to be maintained by the goverment
whether of not the monarchy existed.  











-- 
Geoff. Lane.                                  Janet: zzassgl@uk.ac.mcc.uts
UTS Sys Admin, Manchester Computing Centre, Oxford Rd, Manchester, M13 9PL
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 27 Aug 1992 12:05:23 CDT
From: Cole Kendall <U48073@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: QE2/QE II

As far as I am aware, the boat that ran aground several weeks ago is
the QE 2, while the monarch with the problematic daughter-in-law is
QE II (or ER II).

Is the boat the second boat named after QE (ER I)?
Or is there a different orthography for numbering boats and monarchs?

Thank you for your help.

Cole Kendall
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: The Celtic Cross
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:22:38 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn) wrote:
> The standing stones at Callanish are laid out in the form of a Celtic
> cross, but they predate Christ by a few millenia. If anything, the 
> Christians stole the design from the Celts!

The megaliths, including Callanish, were built by a pre-Celtic people over
a thousand years before the Celts arrived.  The Christians weren't the
first to steal other people's religious symbols.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Re: The Celtic Cross
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 11:50:35 GMT


In article <1992Aug31.155003.24969@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse) writes...
> 
>In a previous article, IO20402@MAINE.MAINE.EDU () says:
> 
>>Please, could someone tell me the origins of the Celtic Cross, I have worn one
>>for some time, and I am fed up with people continually asking me if I am
>>Catholic. Does the cross have religious ties? Or is it just a pagan symbol?
>>
>>      Thank you,
>>              Tak Car loves,
>>                     Kerry
>>
> 
>It is a religious symbol.  When I visited Scottish cemetaries in
>1990 to see family plots, I found them in many, many church graveyards.
>They are also very prominent in Irish cemetaries.  I believe they
>are even at Iona which I think is the oldest Christian cemetary in
>the UK.  I many be wrong about that but I know they are there.
> 

There's lots of Celtic crosses around here too (South-Eastern England). I think
people use them because they look nice. They're fairly common as gravestones,
although nothing like as ornate as the ones I saw when I was in Ireland.

The standing stones at Callanish are laid out in the form of a Celtic
cross, but they predate Christ by a few millenia. If anything, the 
Christians stole the design from the Celts!


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: regeorge@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert E George)
Subject: Where Are They Now: Enoch Powell?
Keywords:  Great Britain Politicians Powell, Enoch Conservative Unionist
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 19:08:29 GMT

Can anybody bring me uptodate on the doings of Enoch Powell since 1979(
the date of the Roy Lewis biography of Powell I am reading)?

Thanks,
Robert George
(speaking only for myself)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
Subject: confidante?
Reply-To: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 01:01:39 GMT


This probably sounds pretty naive especially coming from someone who
thinks she knows a lot about the royal family but here is the
question anyway.  What is a confidante?  I've seen the term appear
in connection with Prince Charles relationship with Camilla
Parker Bowles and now supposedly Princess Diana has one.  Is this
the same as a mistress (in Charles' case) or is it strictly a
very good platonic friend?

Evelyn
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From: erck03@castle.ed.ac.uk (John Wexler)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re:  royal family
Date: 27 Aug 92 08:50:34 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service

In article <1992Aug26.174427.14468@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse) writes:
|> The Crown Jewels do not belong to the monarchy. They belong
|> to the British government.

Still wrong. They belong to the crown. That's not the same as the
monarchy, and not the same as the Queen.  It's like saying that they
belong to the state.  In Britain, very little belongs to the government,
not even authority (that belongs mostly to parliament). Nevertheless,
it's common to say that something is "government property" if it's owned
by the crown and controlled directly by a ministry or government agency.
This applies to all kinds of things, from army bases to toilet rolls,
but not to the crown jewels.

    John Wexler
    Edinburgh
From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Can a foetus succeed a dead monarch?
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:21:27 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <MAD.92Aug24104714@spirit.spirit.clearpoint.com>, mad@spirit.spirit.clearpoint.com (Michael Davis) writes:
> On 21 Aug 92 15:56:01 GMT, w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk :
> 
> [asks about who gets to be King]
> 
> Which brings up a couple of questions I have:
> 
> (1)  Who decides on the order of succession?  I read somewhere that it
> 	is the House of Lords, but that is only a vague recollection.
> 	If it is the case, what does it take for them to change it?
> 
It just happens. Having someone decide would be just infra dig, though no doubt
Her Majesty's Commons could suugest an alternative to male descent.

> (2)  How extensive is the official (assuming such a thing) list of
> 	heirs, i.e. how many people would have to die at once before
> 	the monarch was chosen from the phone book or some such.
> 
There are at least twenty people in direct line of succession. Beyond that, the
family trees of these blue-bloods go back for centuries, so there would be no
difficulty finding a suitable alternative.

> (3)  What are the qualifications, aside from the right blood, for
> 	ascending the throne.  Must one remain a citizen, for example?
> 
Enough inbreeding that one is stupid enough to want to do the job. Other than
that, probably nothing. Don't forget that we are Her Majesty's
subjects---citizenship is entirely alien.

-- 

Stephen Wilcox             |   Remember what happened to the dinosaurs!
wilcox@maths.oxford.ac.uk  |    I did---and look what happened to me.
From: dj@ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: U.S./British school grades, was Re: Why I read the Economist
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:44:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: pixel.1992Sep4.134405.16334
Organization: :noitazinagrO

In article <PLUMMER.92Sep3203528@nutmeg.cs.swarthmore.edu> plummer@cs.swarthmore.edu (David Barker-Plummer) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.191453.15053@cco.caltech.edu> miriam@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Miriam Jackson) taps on her keyboard:
>
>MJ> The other main difference is that most British kids leave school
>MJ> at 16, although many of these go on to do further education .
>
>Which reminds me of a question that I have been meaning to ask for
>yonks.  What percentage of Britons go on to university, or tertiary
>eduction generally?  What is the analogous figure for the US?
>
Something like 15% of Brits go to University (meaning the old kind of
University).  Add in Polytechnics (old name) and other "further
education" institutions granting qualifications lower than a degree, and
I'd guess about 30% get some kind of education beyond age 18.  Just a
guess, mind.   Meantime in the US, figures in my desk reference indicate
that while 57% of students get some kind of education past 18, only
about 21% go the full four years of a University degree.  The total
number of "students" in college in 1990 was over 13 million, quite a
number when you consider a national birth rate of around 3 million a
year when these students were born.  Obviously it's more than just
a lot of people doing 4-year degrees.

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From: pm3_norr@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (Paul Norris)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Dum dee dum...
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:17:15 GMT
Organization: Bristol Polytechnic, England


}>sjmz@otter.hpl.hp.com (Stefek Zaba) writes:
}>|>  * Peggy Archer's old flame (US airman) turned up unexpectedly: Jack was
}>|>    none too pleased when he invited himself to stay over the night.

}> dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks) writes:
}>Thank goodness this is radio; I imagine Jack didn't smell too good.
}>What did they do, piece together bits of tape from old episodes, like they
}>did the last time Jack died?

} hclase@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Howard Clase) writes:
}	Wrong Jack, I suspect: Woolley, not Archer.

That one through Con for a loop as well - he turned up expecting a widow
and was bemused by the Jack/Jack situation.  Mind you there is precedent:
Before she married Mr Perkins, Mrs P was Mrs Perkins....

Latest is that Con is returning for a few days stay later.  Peggy keeps
asking Jack if this is alright with him and Jack keeps resignedly saying
"If it makes *you* happy dear..."

Paul
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