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From: anon-admin@twwells.com
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery,alt.sexual.abuse.recovery.d
Subject: sorry for the downtime at twwells.com
Date: 12 Jan 93 00:06:23 GMT
Followup-To: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery.d
Organization: None, Mt. Laurel, NJ

Seems the modem went into a blank stare about three days ago.
Naturally, this happened while I was away so there was no way for
me to get into the system to fix it. Everything should be back to
normal again.

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From: anon-1540@twwells.com
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: test message
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:53:00 GMT
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From: anon.33@pax.tpa.com.au
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: makeup to cover scars
Date: 5 Jan 1993 04:48:47 +1030
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this is poohbear

the woman is Linda Seidel, a trauma make-up artist.
she heads Linda Steidel Cosmetics
	  P O Box 32203
	  Baltimore, MD  21208
	  1-800-752-0066

i dont know anything about it or her, just what my so said
he saw her on oprah and said her compassion for people was
amazing

if i ever get the guts to call ill lett yall know what happens

lots of people ar emissing on asar...i miss you are you
still there bob mouse jeff tigger free amazon smokey wildflower
silver tiger john lurker?  anyway i think of you all i know i forgot
some please sont be upset i do care, i just have lousy memory

and all these wonderful new people hello hello
i am poohbear and sporadically post 
i have hard times 
all the time
someday............maybe i wont.......

sometimes poohbear just wants to run away
not in a bad way just in a startimng over way
leave it all behind, abuse and rape and eating
deep in the hundred acre woods
and be strong
sometimes i want to
then i hit bottom and od
cant climb out of this heffalump trap im in
o well

miss you
poohbear


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Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell)
Subject: Cross Posts
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:03:19 GMT

	As a regular reader of soc.women and alt.feminism I would like
to apologize on behalf of those groups for any crosspostings concerning
the on going debate of the news special about satanic ritual abuse.

	Many people are ignorant of the tumultuous process of recovery
and of the intense self-doubt involved with it concerning memories,
many of which involving child molestation ARE proven to be true.  These
people are ignorant and Im sure wouldnt have cross posted if they knew
they would cause others pain.

	However there are several people who post to alt.feminism &
soc.women who are emotionally, if not intellectually arrested 
who are going to ignore requests not to cross post or flame.  Such
people will be recogonized by the extreme ignorance apparent in their
writing.  Regard them accordingly.

	Once again, Im sorry our "bull sessions" have spilled over
into your safe space.

Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
From: tyger@netcom.com (Kristen Kohlbecker)
Subject: Re: Confrontation with my mother
Organization:  Boogie Rats on Speed
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 03:23:52 GMT

cloister@stein.u.washington.edu (cloister bell) writes:
>anon-1298@twwells.com (Carol) writes:
>
>[ mom's denial and self-focusing deleted ]
>
>>Uggh. I feel exhausted. I never want to see my mother again. I want her
>>OUT OF MY LIFE. 
>
>well, then, get her out of your life.  you're not obligated to keep your
>mother.  you didn't choose her, you didn't sign anything saying "the party of
>the first part agrees to keep in good stead this mother in perpetuity."  so
>change your phone number, stop answering her mail, or even move so she can't
>drop by.  
>If you wanted to be really sneaky (and, i suspect, only quasi-legal),
>you could have some documents forged up, and get a friend to dress up in a cop
>suit and go over to her house:
>
>*knock knock*
>

[scenario deleted]

I like to think of myself as an understanding person, possibly even more than
many, but I see stuff like this and my understanding seems to leave me...

I don't know what state she's in, but aside from the fact that a *doctor* would
inform next of kin in most cases rather than police, and also police wouldn't
have any paperwork on the individual, you're absolutely right that 
impersonating an officer of the law is not legal.

Personally I'd consider myself lucky as all Hell if I weren't prosecuted for:

1) Mental cruelty (Hint: "Well she did it to me first!" cuts no ice with a 
   sane judge/jury)

2) Impersonating an officer of the law

3) Forgery of/tampering with legal documents

4) Collusion ( working with another to cause harm to a third party)

and a few other things that escape me. 

I'm sorry for Carol...truly I am, and I agree with most of what you said up
to your vicious scare scenario, but only a grade A dingbat would do something 
like that. 5-15 in jail won't do diddly for the recovery process.

>now this keeps her from a) wanting to see the body, and b) wanting your stuff,
>which presumably burnt to ash.  isn't that a fun thought?  well, maybe.  fun to
>fantasize about anyway... heh heh heh.

So long as it stays a fantasy...I still can't believe it was even suggested.

>anyway, i just wanted to say i empathize, there have been times i've wanted my
>mom out of my life too.  just don't think that you *have* to keep her, or that
>you owe her just because she's your mom or anything.  it's one of those "big
>lies" that float around in this society.

Amen to that!

>>	an angry but resigned Carol

Tyger

-- 
      Kristen Kohlbecker    And I would choose to be with you
      tyger@netcom.com      That's if the choice were mine to make   
                            But you can make decisions too
      A Tyger and a Lady    And you can have this heart to break
From: agape@igc.apc.org (Jean Riseman)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: Ritual Abuse Upper (really!)
Date: 10 Jan 93 01:48:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1519600011:000:426
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!agape    Jan  9 17:48:00 1993


Hi folks:
A couple of days ago three ritual abuse survivors plus me gave a4
poetry reading, a public one, We read for an hour and then had an open mike
mike for another 45 minutes. It was really well sttended: almost
100 people.We were asked to do it again in the spring.
And the best part was thast lightening didn't strike anybody!
I had very little backlash, and mainly feel light and happy.
Hooray for disclosure!
Jeannie
From: lbowden@cisco.com (Larry Bowden)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: What's a SPOILER?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 02:28:38 GMT
Organization: cisco Systems, Incorporated
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: last-call.cisco.com


What does SPOILER mean?


Larry
From: anon.95@pax.tpa.com.au
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: Satanic Ritual Abuse **MAJOR SPOILER**
Date: 12 Jan 1993 08:02:24 +1030
Organization: PAX - Public Access Unix (Adelaide,South Australia) - Anonymous Service
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*** SPOILER **** Protected with Blank Lines

















Four years ago, I very seriously dated a Christian counselor who worked with
people coming into Christianity from the occult and drug scene. One of
her counselees was a new Christian who came to her trying to deal with the
guilt from killing her newborn baby in a satanic ritual. Of course, I
shouldn't have found out about it; it was a major breach of confidentiality.
My friend was in knots about it because of course she couldn't tell anyone.
The new Christian couldn't tell anyone because she would be the one who
went to jail. She lived in a very rural area with a bunch of people into
drugs (and more?), and no outsider apparently caught that she was pregnant
(I'm speculating here).  Of course, if you're into drugs or in an abusive
relationship, giving up your child is easier and/or not neccesarily your
choice.

If this can happen, then the other abuse people have talked about (which I
believed anyway) here on a.s.a.r. is certainly something we should be willing
to accept.

TJ


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From: altinbay@netcom.com (John Altinbay)
Subject: Re: of Canada and Catholics
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 07:47:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.090751.18657@unislc.uucp> erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp) writes:
>Richard M. Romanowski (rmr@acsu.buffalo.edu) wrote:
>
>: 	This raises an important issue about the children of rapists.
>: I literally state that rapists are subhuman ... thus their children are at

Making monsters out of people makes it easy to pretend that the problem
is localized in some way, so that only these monsters can do these deeds.
This leads to denial.  People who do bad things are people.  Anybody could,
under the right circumstances of upbringing, etc, do these things.  We must
face this reality if we're going to lick the prevalence of problems like
rape.

: best half-human.

>: 
>: I *know* that I am a twisted sicko.  But are my arguments valid? 
>
>Nope.  Your logical fallacy is that you assume that the children are somehow
>responsible for their parent's crimes, sins, whatever.  To the seventh
>generation, perhaps?  I contend that a child has his/her own life, and own
>value, irrespective of their biological parents.
>Rapists may be emotionally and psychologically subhuman, but that argument
>can't be extended to their physical makeup, nor to their genetic material.
>On the other hand, there are those who might contend that rapists exercise
>power that others fear to.  We must punish rapists and child molesters
>because they dare exercise the freedom we deny ourselves, but wish we
>could exercise (but don't because of guilt or fear).
>
>I don't agree with the above, but there are philosophers who would.  And some
>of them are quite famous.  Perhaps that's what's wrong with our society - we
>listen to words and allow them to sway us instead of listening to our own
>hearts.

Thanks, Ed, for not agreeing with that.  It's an awfully sick and cynical
view of humanity.  I think it's another way of denial and put-up-with-it-
and-shut-up.  

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My life is worth the living, I don't need to see the end.
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
From: anon-1317@twwells.com
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: falling
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:37:00 GMT
Organization: Anonymous Posting Service at twwells.com

i feel like i am on the very edge and can't
find anything to hold on to.  i cried the
entire day sunday-- i just can't seem to
function anymore--  

at my day job, they are asking me if i
would like to take a leave of absence--
but i have no sick time or vacation time--
they don't want me to leave or quit- they 
just think i am not coping well-- i can't see
to stay at work--

i can't live by my neighbor anymore-- i just can't
cope with he has a woman over and i know they are in
bed together-- we had a brief affair-- and i got involved--
and told him what i was trying to handle-- then he just
broke it off-- and i felt like scum-- he said he was
already dating someone and it wasn't fair to her-- ha
funny it took him 2 months to decide that-- now it is
just all i can do to be in my house-- i just don't want
to be there-- yet it seem that some days i can't even
get up out of bed-- i am so hurt and so crushed  and so
ashamed that i can't even think straight-- at the same
time i am so angry-- at him - at myself-- especially for
telling him things about myself.




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From: an353@anon.penet.fi (The Captain)
Subject: Trust
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 04:04:50 GMT

Last night a hypnotist performed at our college.  While a part of me thought
the show was funny, a part of me felt very uncomfortable because I see these
things as issues of control and not having control scares the hell out of me.

Anyhow, I was thinking about all this, and I realized that my fear of having
no control probablt has a good deal to do with the fact that I find it
difficult to trust people.

Further, I started thinking about the first time I had ever opened up tooa
friend in a big way.  I had put my thoughts down on tape (long story) and
given the tape to a good friend who at the time was the only person I felt I
could trust.  I gave him the tape with some fear in my heart, because I
thought he might find my 'different' and 'weird' and would want to shun me
for that reason.

Suddenly, a realization hit me -- I'll give you the logic behind it first,
though.

I think of myself as a sensitive person; my good friends also tell me that
I'm sensitive.  Now if somebody came up to me and told me I was an
insensitive jerk, I would be confused.  I would think, 'I don't understand
why he's saying this about me.'  Likewise, if I don't feel that I'm
different/ a jerk/ weird etc., I shouldn't be expecting people to say such
things to me.

BUT -- when I first started opening up to people (and sometimes even now) I
was afraid that people would find me strange and not want to talk to me.

I came to the conclusion that I must have felt that way myself.  I think
that's also another reason why I've so often been afraid to trust people and
be often.  In other words, I think that if I can feel better about myself, I
should be able to be more open with people.

Now I'm not going to say this is an easy thing to do, but at least I feel
more like I know what needs to be done.

Keep the faith!
The Captain
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From: anon-1562@twwells.com (Davey)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: caught in the middle - first post
Date: 13 Jan 93 02:18:26 GMT
Organization: Anonymous Posting Service at twwells.com

Hello.
 I'm not sure if I belong here because I don't think I was abused
but I have been affected by it.

***************** minor spoiler *****************************








My little girl was abused and so was my niece and various cousins.
By whom? You guessed it... my dad. Grampa to them. Anyways, its a
long story but interesting (to me anyways). Anybody want to hear 
it? He gets sentenced tomorrow.
I really just wanted to reply to a posting.

ANON-Name: Davey
ANON-Mail: yes
ANON_Ping: yes

See ya.



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From: anon-1541@twwells.com (nonperson)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: Thanks for nothing..bleah (a response)
Date: 12 Jan 93 00:19:22 GMT
Organization: Anonymous Posting Service at twwells.com

To Silver Tiger about lost mail: I agree with David Nelson;
there are many ways messages can go astray when traveling
through so many ports.  I have lost some myself, and was
only able to repost because I kept a copy of what was sent.
Keeping a copy until a post appears seems to be necessary.

As regards Wells, he's been thoroughly professional
in my few dealings with him, especially as regards 
confidentiality.  In addition, at a time of crisis
he was prompt in providing needed advice.



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From: nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz)
Subject: Re: Ritual Abuse Upper (really!)
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:03:30 GMT

This is pretty hypothetical, but I wonder if it's plausible that ritual
abuse does occur, but the reason all those corpses can't be found is
that children are hypnotised (as part of a ritual that may also include
literal physical abuse) into believing that that murders occur. This
would be convenient for the abusers in that it would produce terror,
not leave physical evidence that could incriminate the abusers, and
tend to discredit anyone who came forward about having been abused
but couldn't supply physical evidence. (I count such use of hypnosis
as a quite serious sort of abuse in itself.) 

Nancy Lebovitz
nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu
From: krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'Krikket' Krick)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: Re: WOMEN ABUSES!!!
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:07:06 CST
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

In article <1993Jan5.001239.27149@unislc.uucp>, erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
writes:
>Laurie Mann (lmann@jjmhome.UUCP) wrote:
>
>: Cloister, nothing.  Bill is just doing his usual "terrific" job at
>: managing an anonymous posting service.

<Deleted for bandwidth>

>Uh, excuse me, but how was the post abusive?  Are you calling Mr. Freud
>an abuser - if so, on what do you base your estimation?  The post certainly

<Also deleted for bandwidth>

May I make a suggestion to everyone here?  asar.d has been created for this
type of conversation.  Might I say that this would be a good place for it to
go?

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 "And the Germans killed the Jews.  And the Jews killed the Arabs.
  And the Arabs killed the hostages.  And that is the news."
From: anon-1397@twwells.com (survivor)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: testpost/replies requested
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:17:36 GMT
Organization: Anonymous Posting Service at twwells.com
X-Email-Accepted: yes

This is a test, but I would like replies through E-mail to see if messages sent
to me through E-mail are getting through.  Thanks.

Survivor

ANON-Mail: yes
ANON-Name: survivor
ANON-Ping: yes
ANON-Announce: yes
ANON-Notify: yes
ANON-Sigkeep: no



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From: anon-1357@twwells.com (Silver Tiger)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: Hello poohbear!
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:18:09 GMT
Organization: Anonymous Posting Service at twwells.com

Dear poohbear,

warm furry *ehugs* if you want them, I am so glad that you are alive.. 

I am still here, but school has started again and I have less time to think
up things to post... I was very happy to see that other people have been
coming back after the flame wars too.

Right now I am trying to find things that will make me happy in life again...
playing D and D, keeping busy.  The worst part about the summer was that
I only had *work*, no school, so I had a lot of time to think, and abuse 
crept into my thoughts too often.  Now I can think of it when I *need* to,
and I feel much better...

Safety to you all,

Silver Tiger
just stretching her muscles for the long semester ahead



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