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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:40:43 PDT
Reply-To:     Perikles Konstantinides <perkon@ALUDRA.USC.EDU>
From:         Perikles Konstantinides <perkon@ALUDRA.USC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Sourealismos kai agnoia
Comments: To: dimitriu@csrd.uiuc.edu
Comments: cc: hellas@uga.cc.uga.edu
              Sep 9, 92 6:48 pm

Grafei o Giwrgos Dhmhtriou:

> To keno edw vrisketai metaksy apolysewn kai idiwtikopoihsewn. Allo
> kefalaio to ena, allo to allo.

      To idio kai to auto. To erwthma einai na meiw0ei o dhmosios tomeas
   (idiwtikopoihseis kai exaleipsh twn eleimmatwn) kai na aposur0ei to
   kratos apo thn oikonomikh drasthriothta (idiwtikopoihseis kai apoluseis).
   Den milame dhladh mono gia meiwsh eleimmatwn kai plh0wrismou, alla,
   kuriws, gia ena teleiws neo tropo leitourgias ths ellhnikhs oikonomias.

> To erwthma einai an mporoume na epizhsoume
> mono me to prwto, h an apaitountai kai ta dyo. Nai men h EOK mas epivallei
> kapoies ypoxrewseis, alla mhn ksexname oti polles epixeirhseis eyrwpaikwn
> kratwn einai kratikes.

         Kai eite einai sta pro0ura xrewkopias 'h, pio suxna, einai
    ANIKANES na epibiwsoun xwris taktikes, terasties epidothseis tou
    kratous me ton ena 'h ton allo tropo (p.x. Renault, Dassault, Agip klp).

> Swsto ayto pou leei o Kws(ko)tas oti o dhmosios
> tomeas sthn Ellada exei apotyxei, kai "peiramatizomaste" me tis idwtiko-
> poihseis, alla poia einai ta dedomena pou lene oti oi idiwtikopoihseis
> einai estw POLY PI0ANO na swsoun thn katastash sthn Ellada;

        Hong Kong, Korea, Ollandia klp klp klp.

        Kai kati allo: otan milame gia idiwtikopoihseis den milame gia tis
    fulakes kai ta nekrotafeia. Milame gia thn Peiraikh Patraikh, gia
    ta Tsimenta Xalkidas, thn AGET klp klp. To kratos den exei kammia
    douleia oute na ftiaxnei petsetes oute na ftiaxnei xarmani gia
    mpeton... Oso gia OTE, DEH klp, 0a mporousan na idiwtikopoih0oun kai
    na leitourghsoun ws regulated utilities, opws stis HPA. POY einai
    FTHNWTERES kai KALYTERES oi thlepikoinwnies kai h paroxh hlektrikou;
    Sthn Ellada 'h stis HPA; Sou zhthse pote h Illinois Bell na plhrwseis
    pagio gia thn ERT 'h mhpws perimenes pote 9 xronia gia na sou baloun
    grammh sto spiti; Kai mhn xexname oti prokeitai gia monopwlio...


> Nai, Eyrwph xwris synora, alla tote ti nohma exei na poulame epixeirhseis
> se MH EYRWPAIKES etaireies; Kai an milame gia PAGKOSMIA agora, tote giati
> apo thn allh diavazoume, gia paradeigma shmera, oti h KLM den epitrepetai
> na agorasei th Nortwest me pososto >50%;

          To paradeigma twn aeroporikwn etairiwn einai atuxes giati,
    mazi me tis amuntikes biomhxanies, einai oi mones pou upokeintai
    se eidiko ka0estws oso afora sthn pwlhsh tous se xenes etairies.
    Oso gia thn anti-amerikanikh sponta:

          Otan h Saab poulietai sthn Ford, h Lamborghini sthn Chrysler,
    h Jaguar sthn Ford, h Osram sthn GE kai h Mitsubishi epitrepei sthn
    Chrysler na agorasei to 30% (+-) twn metoxwn ths, einai nomizw
    toulaxiston asteio na prospa0oume emeis na "prostateusoume" tis
    problhmatikes mas epixeirhseis apo Amerikanikh eisdoxh. Mia
    eisdoxh pou to mono pou 0a exei san apotelesma 0a einai 0eseis
    ergasias, ependuseis kai metafora texnognwsias.

          As mhn xexname oti oi etairies pou poulame stous xenous einai
    mh-antagwnistikes epixeirhseis pou den exoun, oi perissoteres, kanei
    ependuseis se exoplismo edw kai toulaxiston 10 xronia... Kai
    Tourkoi, pou leei o logos, na exedhlwnan endiaferon 0a eprepe na
    tis poulhsoume.

> >3. O dhmosios tomeas sthn Ellada den prokeitai, upo tis parouses
> >   koinwnikes kai politikes sun0hkes, na leitourghsei "opws prepei"
> >   gia ton aploustato logo oti apotelei thn antamoibh twn
> >   eklegmenwn politikwn pros tous pshfoforous tous. Gia na allaxei
> >   h katastash auth 0a prepei 'h na allaxoun nootropia oi Ellhnes
> >   'h na tropopoih0ei (MAZIKA) to Suntagma ths xwras.

> Pera apo ayta pou eipa gia to 1, giati eisai vevaios oti o dhmosios tomeas
> de mporei na allaksei, paramenontas dhmosios;

         H apanthsh prohgeitai ths erwthshs sou. Gia tous parapanw logous,
    kata thn gnwmh mou.

> Epipleon, poios leei oti to
> Maastricht exei thn "wrimothta" pou 0a mas voh0hsei emas na "wrimasoume";
> Ektos an onomazeis "wrimothta" to ka0estws ths eley0erhs agoras... Ki ayto
> ena peirama einai pou 0a xreiastei arketa xronia akoma na aksiologh0ei, poso
> mallon mexri na xarakthristei "wrimothta".

          Den prokeitai ka0olou gia peirama. Einai o dromos pou akolou0hsan
    kai akolou0oun OLES oi plousies kai proodeumenes xwres tou kosmou.
    Ean 0ewreis thn suntagh ths epituxias "peirama", ti na pw; Ti allo
    prepei na ginei dhladh gia na katalaboume epitelous sthn Ellada oti
    to kratos einai TO PROBLHMA kai oxi h lush.....

> >pfk
> >southern cal ................ a shrimp which sleeps, gets carried
> >                              away by the coctail....
> Giwrgos Dimitriou @ Urbana-Champaign....elpizw na mh sta0ei sto laimo....

Den katalabainw pros ti o sarkasmos. Den nomizw oti uphrxe tipote sto
mail mou pou na dikaiologei tetoio sxolio. To parapanw einai apo thn
tainia Mambo Kings kai den anaferetai proswpika se kanena. Aplws to
0ewrhsa asteio kai to ebala ekei. Auta.

pfk
southern cal
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