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From: ikg1591@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Irina Kosinovsky )
Subject: Happy New Year!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:01:33 GMT



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From: nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Ukrainian concert
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:07:15 GMT
Organization: Poets for Physics
In-reply-to: gorokho1@husc10.harvard.edu's message of 4 Oct 92 22:34:48

In article <GOROKHO1.92Oct4223448@husc10.harvard.edu>, 
gorokho1@husc10.harvard.edu (Zhenya Gorokhovsky) writes:


> Hlynka@server.uwindsor.ca (Myron Hlynka) writes:

> Myron> There will be a Ukrainian (actually Ukrainian Canadian) concert
> Myron> in Windsor, Ontario (just go south from Detroit across the bridge).

> Myron> Time: 2:30 p.m., Sunday, October 4.
> Myron> Location: Chrysler Auditorium, Cleary International Center

> Myron> Performers:

> Myron> Joy Brittan (a Ukrainian Canadian Las Vegas singer)
> Myron> Troyanda (two sopranos with piano accompaniment) (from Toronto)
> Myron> Orest Sushko (a tsymbaly player) from Toronto, accompanied by
> Myron> Ron Cahute on accordian.
> Myron> Sonyashnyk Dancers (from Chatham and Windsor, Ontario). This is
> Myron> a very good Ukrainian dance group of about 40 people, half of whom
> Myron> have no Ukrainian ancestry. 
> Myron>     All of these except Sonyashnyk have at least one recording
> Myron> (i.e. tape). 
> If you must advertise on USENET, which is a questionable practice,
> at least advertise _decent_ performances. It is as transparent as 
> water in Charles River that you are completely out of touch with
> both modern and traditional Ukrainian culture.

Hey, folks, which of you has set them Harvard buggers loose? Like,
they have the guts to tell a great Russian composer, Hlynka, that
he or she is clueless about traditional Russki counterpoint and,
like, this damn _concerto grosso_ thing, with tremulous high-pitch
modulations and stuff. Doncha all wonder if a single one of them
Harvard men (and womyn) on the Harvard-Radcliffe Orchestra of blessed
memory knows the difference between Lev Konstantinovich Knipper (1898-
1974) and Wilhelm Friedmann Bach (who is chiefly famous for his 'Vziav
by ia banduru' opus). Trust me, Harvard dudes, you still have a lot to
learn about the delights of the well-tempered clavier. And learn some
respect for the Netters' national pride, like we sometimes respect yours.

> Shalom,
> Zhenya Gorokhovsky
> gorokho1@husc.harvard.edu

Yours in Zion,
Philip Nikolayev
From: ins548h@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr M.S. Popkowski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Sending $'s to CIS
Date: 6 Oct 92 04:02:00 GMT
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Summary:How can I send money to CIS? 
Keywords: 
I live in Australia and I would like to send some money to my grandparents
in Moscow.They don'have foreign currency account,which, I was told by
the Russian Consulate is necessary to receive draft cheque and apparently
cannot open one themselves. Could anyone tell me how can I send the money
to them?
Mirek Popkowski.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Subject: Re: education
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:09:39 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.13 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In  <1acq1lINNgm7@agate.berkeley.edu>  muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:
> I red funny story in SF cronicle (from Wash.post). Some company started
> producing talk Barbie. Among other things she says "Math class is tough".
> Association of math teachers 9or something like this) protested, saying
> that this discouraging interest to math among girl. Company spokes(wo)man
> replied that it also says something supporting math: "I'm studying to be a
> doctor", "We should start our own business", "Computers make studying fun".
>
> Yury

How about a popular song :
Do not know much about biology
..
Do not know much about chemistry
..
Do not know much about geography
etc etc

I keep hearing it on my local light music station.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: frants@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Leonid Frants)
Subject: Re: More education talk...
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:54:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct01.131712.105056@watson.ibm.com> oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky) writes:
>In  <1992Sep30.202622.23203@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>  frants@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Leonid Frants) writes:
>> >Bad spelling is not a sign of a weak brain, it is a sign of lack
>> >of literary education.
>>
>> Not true. I know well-read and intelligent people who are not good
>> in spelling -  my dad is one of them. He always had that problem. It
>> most likely has to do with how good one's visual memory is.
>
>The fact that you know some well-read people that can't spell does not
>mean that on average lack of spelling skills is not a sign of not having
>read adequate amount of literature. I would contend that in most cases,
>it is a valid sign. 

Maybe on average there is a high correlation between the amount of
education and the spelling, I am not arguing against it. I, however, know
quite a few intelligent people who cannot spell well and a whole bunch
of complete idiots who are really good at spelling. So to me
personally, it is the contents that are of importance - sorry for
stating this triviality again.

>One, of course, should be cautious about applying
>a rule like that, but, as we know, such universal test as SAT verbal
>is based on a similar assumptions that amount of student's vocabulary
>is indicative of his/her intelligence and being well-read.
>
>Oleg V

Once again, while not arguing against the general correlation, I just
happen to know too many really intelligent people who are not good at
spelling. 

Also people making use of others' bad spelling in an argument make me
cringe. There is something intellectually slimy about them - don't
you agree?

Leonid.





Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Subject: Re: If you don't like it here.....
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 05:33:42 GMT

In article <92100570@tbucks.com> root@tbucks.com (Timothy E. Buchanan) writes:
>In the last few weeks, thanks to kind persons in this newsgroups, I have
>learned that-
>1- Soviet educational system is far superior to that of US.

Yes, Soviet educational system in the K12 range is superior to the US
system if you use math, geography and hard sciences test scores.

>2- Soviet space program ditto.

Soviets have maintained permanently manned space stations for at least 
the last decade.  The US space program was castrated by the Nixon
administration and has not recovered yet.

>3- American movies are not Art, but just technology, and even that is
>spoiled by the uncultured audience.

The average audience going to an average violence and gore flick in US are
far less cultured and are watching a movie that has little to do with Art.

>To these I comment-
>1- About one-quarter of PhD's are awarded to non-americans, who evidently
>come here to make use of our deficient system. 

Those are colleges, not primary and secondary education schools.  US
colleges have been among the leading educational institutions in the world.
The quality of the instructors does not necessarily imply the quality of the
students they have to teach.

>2- American communication satellites brought the world closer together. An
>American craft is the first vessel to leave our solar system. Americans
>stood on the moon.

US space technology is the outgrowth of the US military technology.  It is
indeed of a higher technological level than that of ex-USSR.  Despite that,
there were some news stories that NASA has been looking to buy some
ex-Soviet launch vehicles and discounting Soviet successes in space out of
blind, ultra-patriotic sloganeering need to be #1 in everything is
irresponsible and counterproductive.

>Can someone name ten
>people who have emigrated from the US to the XSU, to find a better life?

The issue is not whether life was better in xSU than in US.  It wasn't.
The issue is the objective comparison.

As far as education goes, the dismal state of the primary eductaion in
US is not a great secret -- it's one of the major issues of this year's
persidential race.  

As far as movies go, whoever it was that said the US movies stink should
switch from the mass consumption tripe of the major studios to the Art
produced and released by the small budget, independent studios.  There are
dozens of them shown in the "artsy" small theaters every year.  
-- 
Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path
From: muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Invitations?y
Date: 2 Oct 1992 04:45:25 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct1.195312.1@acad3.alaska.edu> ftsam@acad3.alaska.edu (Sergei Maurits) writes:
>
>For these who are interested in less adventurous transportation I can suggest
>regular Alaska Airways and Aeroflot flights to Magadan, Khabarovsk, and Moscow

iFlight to Magadan is seasonal and does not flyes any more, till spring (or never)
I have not heard about Alaska Airways flight to Khabarovsk, that's interesting
Do you have more info?

Yury
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:8063 talk.politics.soviet:8210
From: wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: SOME ASPECTS OF THE LAW FOR CITIZENSHIP OF ESTONIA
Date: 26 Sep 1992 09:08:19 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: madvax.maths.uwa.oz.au

goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman) writes:

>    Could you enlighten us how to distinguish "good Latvian blood"
>    from one contaminated by other ethnic groups?  

It is, of course, impossible. That's the point.

JW
From: pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Spy satellites
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:13:04 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hi!

>As far as I know, SU have not tele-equiped devices, like Lansat, with resolution
>in the 10-meter range. Neither those photo-satellites were well-controlled.
>So they mostly shoot whatever was in view, and then drop the film and cease
>their existance. So one tele-satellite is equivalent to many short-lived
>photo-satellites. Main drawback is lower resolution, though.
>
>Yury.
>
>Disclaimer: I'm not space-scientist and may be wrong. Please, don't kill me.

Nevertheless you are almost correct. Only the resolution of our low-orbit
photo systems is of the same order or better than that of American spy
satellites. But they have much, much better image enchancing hardware and
software. Still their spy equipment is relatively expensive, and ours
was dirt cheap. And it never was a great trouble to lose one of the 
satellites.

Best regards.

 

-- 
Thus spake Kalmoth the Vile, Slayer of the Seven Pigs of the North.
From: didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Holidays...
Date: 27 Sep 92 17:19:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bv8ytA.CHq
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Dear Friends!

  Today is a jewish holiday, Rosh Hashanah.  It is celebration of a begining
  of a new year.  I am not a religious jew (from that respect some people 
  would not even consider me jewish), but I allow myself to celebrate this
  holiday once a year (twice would be too much).  Going to synagogue reminds
  me of little things that make my life a little more meaningful.  I wish
  all of you for whom this holiday has some significance Happy New Year!

-----Garik.

ps.  For our non-jewish friends: I am hope I did not offend anyone. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: galina@watson.ibm.com (Galina Kofman)_
Subject: Re: More education talk...
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:57:31 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.11 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: galina@watson.ibm.com (Galina Kofman)_
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In  <1992Sep30.183915.37862@watson.ibm.com>  oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky) writes:
>
> A person who does not spell well, quite
> obviously has not read much (unless his/her memory is in bad shape,
> and then it is a sign of weak brain).
>
> Oleg

How do you react to the posts written by
poor unfortunate soles whose memories are in bad
shape, therefor their brains are weak?
Do you ignore them or criticize the spelling?
G.
From: smir+@CS.CMU.EDU (Yury Smirnov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Citizenship laws in Russian Federation
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:20:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BvAqpx.Bqv.1
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University

In <1a6qcnINNfou@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> Dima Pasechnik is correctly answering to
ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti )

|>>2. How long time a citizen of a foreign country should stay
|>>in Russian Federation before he/she can apply for citizenship ?
|>>3. Do a descendant of foreign citizens become automatically
|>>Russian citizen ?
|>>4. Can illegal immigrant stay in Russia and apply for sitizenship ?
> No idea. Nobody really need such legalisation.

For a long time Russia was a home to foreigners hiding there for some reasons, 
but, probably, it was one of that few countries where foreign sitizenship gave 
some advantages to its owner. 

|>>5. Can a foreigner OWN land in Russia ?
>It's better to ask may a russian citizen own land in Russia ?

By the very last time it was much easier for a foreigner to own
land in Russia than for a Russian man or company. This year a lot of xSU
citizens came back to Russia as foreigners and bought a land,
while their friends staying there couldn't do it.

|>>7....
|>>- for instance which language is used in the army ?
>Russian.

I would add Russian maternyuj + fist language. If you are reading this
news group even from time to time you will agree that they both are quite
international and easy to understand. If you begin to use them while being in xSU army,
you don't need anything more. I never tried it myselfe, but the majority of my university
mates were sent for two years either to the SU.army as two-year officers or 
to kgb as a programmists. The only way to avoid it was to be a graduate student
or to have children. Nobody came back from kgb, but after coming back from army
the strong influence of Russian army slang was so strong that it was difficult to
communicate in the same manner as before.

Yury.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: leonid@estragon.uchicago.edu (Leonid Andreev)
Subject: Re: education...
Organization: University of Chicago CILS
	<LEONID.92Sep25121233@tuna.uchicago.edu>
	<1992Sep28.171942.15913@husc3.harvard.edu>
	<1a82qaINNn8k@agate.berkeley.edu>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 01:28:41 GMT

Mikhail Verbitsky writes:
Oh fuck!.. ( No, he doesn't write that; it just means that for some reason 
I can't qoute him; OK, let's try to avoid qouting )

So he writes a lot of pretty eloquent and intelligent stuff on the
same old topic: Americans are less educated, they don't know their 
own history as good as Russian schoolkids do etc. Mikhail, it's all
correct except one thing: you keep telling "all the people in MY CLASS" 
from one hand and "the COMMON educational level" from another... You can 
not do that! You went to the elite school, why do you compare it to
the average school level in America? How many schools like yours are in 
Russia? To be correct, you definetely have to talk 'bout both elite schools
and "sredn'aja shkola nomer 11 g.Verhne-Koltunska" as well.
Well, sometimes it seems to me as well, that Russian common level is higher
than what they have here. At least all the people in Russia can read. 
( do they? ) But to be correct, you have to prove it with something else in
addition to the fact, that everybody from your school knew more about 
Washington than the black guy, who makes his living here asking people to
give him a quarter on a street...
And another thing I regret to say about: let's say, who are all these
people ( I mean, among Russian emigration here ) who like to blame America
and Americans all the time? Most of them are just loosers, who just don't 
understand enough English to speculate about intelligence of the population
of this country... I definetly have no intention to say you could belong to
this social group, I just say that each time I hear ( or read ) Russain people
start criticizing America, I'm unwillingly thinking that I've heard it all from
these "BrightonBeach-style" people... And it makes me feel BAD. So forgive
me for this piece of friendly critics.
From: verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: More education talk...
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:48:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Oct2.114852.16013
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <1992Oct01.131712.105056@watson.ibm.com> oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky) writes:

>The fact that you know some well-read people that can't spell does not
>mean that on average lack of spelling skills is not a sign of not having
>read adequate amount of literature. I would contend that in most cases,
>it is a valid sign. 

This is (sort of) true inside of a single culture,
but if you will judge the American education by the
quality of spelling comparing with the Russian one,
you'll get a wrong answer. The idea itself is ridiculous
since Russian spelling is very easy comparing with
English one. 

Misha.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com (Dennis Newkirk)
Subject: Re: Save the xSU's Space Program !!!
Organization: secure_comm
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:56:07 GMT

In article <rabjab.199.0@golem.ucsd.edu> rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof) writes:
>
>Assuming that I had the funding, who do I contact?  I would want to
>send out a request for bids, and see competition for the job.
>Could I get the launch insured?  Could I get tracking and communications 
>support for my spacecraft? 
>
>That's the problem: where is the information that will assist the
>potential customers in getting the job started??? 
>
>Jeff Bytof
>rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu
 
If anyone is really interested they know were to go.  Just because
its not in your local newspaper don't think the effort isn't being made
to contact western markets.  I just read and study the history, but 
I can think of a few places of the top of my head.

The Energia NPO reportedly opened an office in Herndon VA., I think 
they were trying to get close to the NASA Reston office to influence it, 
but they may be open to general contacts, if it still exists.

Space Studies Institute has some kind of contacts to Energia NPO and 
would be a place to get direction.

I'm sure that Energia NPO has offices in Moscow and would be glad to 
help any serious efforts. I know I have the address and phone
numbers for anyone really serious.

Glavkosmos (the organization set up in place of the old Ministry of
General Machine Building) was represented for years by Space Commerce 
Corp.  I have one of their posters in my office, but I don't know the 
status of making deals with Glavkosmos after the incident over the 
Indian sale...

Also, Aerospace Ambassadors are representatives for NPO Energia and 
can help anyone buy anything. Their ad is in Aviation Week every week!
               
Can anyone add a little about what advertisments and groups have 
been made to reach European's or other countries?

Dennis Newkirk (dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com)
Motorola Inc, Land Mobile Products Sector
Schaumburg, IL
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:8112 talk.politics.soviet:8243
From: thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: ESTONIA existed and exists (Was: "SOME
Date: 28 Sep 92 12:38:39 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <1992Sep27.112342.1@cc.helsinki.fi>, thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
> 
> In article <1a07k7INNb6n@agate.berkeley.edu>, muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU
> (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:
> 
>> Saying that old Latvia (Estonia, Lithuania) re-created or freed in 1991, has
>> at best some legal meaning. They are NEW countries.
>> Yury
> 
> Unfortunately, here I must disagree. For instance, the Estonian republic
> did EXIST (1918-1940). We have to acknowledge that not only because of
> LEGAL reasons but for our intellectual HONESTY (because it DID exist).
> I think we have even some MORAL reasons to recognize the existence of
> the Estonian republic that was unjustly wiped out by Stalin.
> 
> And now, we have a new democratic Estonian republic. It has been
> re-established. But it must gradually adapt itself to the new
> circumstances of the 90ies (which it has been already partly
> accomplished).
> 
> At first: legal restitution.
> Secondly: reforms for adaptation.
> These are the necessary conditions for the success of young Estonian
> democracy.
> 
> To cut a long story short:
> Long live the third republic!
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> with the best regards
> Tapani Hietaniemi, University of Helsinki
> 
> Our common aim: Peace, multiculturality, democracy and prosperity
> around the Gulf of Finland!
> 
>