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From: allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan)
Subject: Re: 84-game season?
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:20:23 GMT

golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:

>In article <11288@mindlink.bc.ca> Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Broughton) writes:
>>I can't believe this idea is even being considered, let alone accepted by both
>>management and players.

>Since they plan to play two of those four games in non-NHL North
>American and European markets, it is an extremely good idea to
>give the game wider exposure, and test out potential new markets.

Maybe Hamilton will finally get a chance to see some live NHL
hockey. (That is, if Buffalo doesn't complain ;-) Actually, thre will
probably be a LOT of games played in Hamilton under this system; it
has one of the largest seating capacities, and a loyal hockey following.

Allan
From: 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (gut feelings...)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Toronto Maple Leafs
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:27:12 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON

In <ssmith.42@husky1.stmarys.ca> ssmith@husky1.stmarys.ca (Steve Smith) writes:

>In article <1992Apr14.033601.24981@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (gut feelings...) writes:

>>well i am old enough to remember the Imlach era and what encourages me about
>>the present group is that for the first time since Imlach got fired, the man
>>who runs the show (fletcher) is not the owner.  I think Grant Fuhr started
>>celebrating the end of the season a little early though...

>That's what I like about Toronto fans, no matter what sport. They're great 
>when they're winning but dump on them when they're down. I think Fuhr 
>helped immensely in getting them as far as they did. The media in Toronto 
>really gets on them when they go into a tailspin. 

toronto fans have been selling the gardens out for years.  I wouldn't call
that getting down on them.  I too think that Grant Fuhr was a fine addition
and I really like most of Fletcher's moves.  However, did you see Sunday
night's game?  I did, but I am not sure that Mr. Fuhr did...

>Steve Smith
>Manager, Systems and Operations
>Saint Mary's University
>Halifax, N.S.

>Internet: ssmith@husky1.stmarys.ca
>Phone: 902 420-5477
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roger l. maynard                              
91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca             
Sudbury Ont.                                
Canada
From: am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Salary Cap questions
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:58:30 GMT
Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Thanks for the answers, Gerald.  Of course more questions have
surfaced now!

>I think gross ticket revenue, and gross television revenue, plus perhaps
>a few other thinks go into the defined revenue for determining the
>salary cap.  Players are entitled to a specified portion of this

*Does this mean that every team has a different cap?  In a way, that
 seems fair, but it also doesn't seem to do much for parity.  But was
 the NBA looking for parity to begin with?  (I hate that word about as
 much as "politically correct.")

>> the beginning of each season for more money?  Are there a lot of demands
>> to be traded?
> 
>They have free agency...a player just has to play out his contract and
>go elsewhere...there is no need to demand to be traded.

*I was thinking in terms of players being unhappy; e.g., LaFontaine in
 New York; Tocchet in Philadelphia.  If the NHL had a cap and the teams
 that had a need for these players couldn't afford them it seems that
 everyone loses.  Maybe I'm not looking at this the right way.

*How did this come about in the NBA?  Was it due to spiraling costs and
 player salaries?  I assume the players association and owners had to
 agree to this?  Or is the governance of the NBA different? I have a hard
 time seeing how players could be happy with this situation.  Was the
 NBA in financial trouble at some point?

As an aside, while I was flipping channels last night, I saw a basketball
game being played in a huge indoor football stadium.  (I *think* this was
a college game; I certainly didn't leave it on for more than a few
seconds!)  I laughed to myself that this could be the future of the
NHL -- stadium capacities of 60,000 -- 40 home games a season at $40
a seat.  Who would care if the fans at the top couldn't see the puck?! :)
Basketball wasn't made to be played in a place like that.  But then,
I don't think baseball was either.
From: esm40@cd.amdahl.com (Ed McGettigan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: NHL Regular Season Revised Schedule
Date: 12 Apr 92 19:49:00 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Remaining Regular Season Games:
All times in Pacific Daylight Time (PDT)

04/12  Sunday:
-----------------------------------
San Jose     at Edmonton     5:05 PM
Philadelphia at Hartford     4:05 PM
Quebec       at Boston       4:05 PM
Montreal     at Buffalo      4:05 PM
Washington   at New Jersey   4:35 PM
St. Louis    at Minnesota    5:05 PM 
NY Islanders at Toronto      5:05 PM
Detroit      at Chicago      5:35 PM
Winnipeg     at Calgary      5:05 PM
Los Angeles  at Vancouver    7:05 PM

04/13 Monday:
-----------------------------------
NY Islanders at Washington   4:35 PM
Hartford     at Boston       4:35 PM
Pittsburgh   at New Jersey   4:35 PM
Toronto      at Philadelphia 4:35 PM

04/14 Tuesday:
-----------------------------------
Buffalo      at Quebec       4:35 PM
Detroit      at Minnesota    5:05 PM
Chicago      at St. Louis    5:35 PM
Winnipeg     at Edmonton     6:05 PM
Vancouver    at Los Angeles  7:35 PM

04/15 Wednesday:
-----------------------------------
Calgary      at San Jose     7:35 PM
Boston       at Montreal     4:35 PM
Hartford     at Philadelphia 4:35 PM
Quebec       at Buffalo      4:35 PM
New Jersey   at NY Islanders 4:35 PM
NY Rangers   at Toronto      4:35 PM
Washington   at Pittsburgh   4:35 PM

04/16 Thursday:
-----------------------------------
Winnipeg     at San Jose     7:35 PM
Pittsburgh   at NY Rangers   4:35 PM
Minnesota    at St. Louis    5:35 PM
Calgary      at Vancouver    7:35 PM

End of Regular Season:

The Rangers seem to be getting the best deal with the new schedule by
not having to play until Wednesday.  

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|Edward McGettigan       | A Finish village by a stream, is what   |
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From: ash@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (David Ash)
Subject: Toronto Maple Leafs 
Originator: dash@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:38:42 GMT

Well, everything seems to be back to normal in the NHL:  the Leafs were
eliminated from playoff contention last night.  If the NHL is in financial
difficulty, I wonder if some of this can be attributed to the Leafs sorry
state over the last many years.  Naturally I'd come to this conclusion being
a Leafs fan :-) but seriously the core of support for hockey is in Canada
and Ontario is Canada's largest province, so if Ontario's representative
in the NHL is a perennially lacklustre entry, the NHL is going to lose one-
third of its potential core of fans.

I'm not expecting the Leafs to win the Cup every year or anything, but they
should at least be competitive on a regular basis.  There's something wrong
when the province which has given the NHL many great players including the
Great One himself can't even make the playoffs year after year.  I'm too young
to even remember the Leafs Cup victory in 1967, but I do know that the
standard I've come to expect as minimal Leafs performance has declined over
the years from "usually they'll get to the 2nd round of the playoffs" to "well
at least they'll do better than the Sharks (but I wouldn't bet the store on
it)"!

Well, we can at least be pleased that the Leafs have a long tradition of
being the #1 NHL team from Ontario.  Like all good things, this will come to
an end next year...

GO BLUE JAYS!!!
-- 
David W. Ash               | "What profits a man if he keeps his eternal soul
ash@sumex-aim.stanford.edu |  when he could have lived life to the full and
HOME: (415) 497-1629       |  been forgiven at the end of it all anyway?"
WORK: (415) 725-3859       |         --David Merritt, a.k.a. THE RED SHARK
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From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio)
Subject: 5 NY Hockey Fans (WAS: Re: Kiss the playoffs goodbye)
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 01:48:16 GMT

In article <POPOVICH.92Apr9165911@morningside.cs.columbia.edu> popovich@cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich) writes:
>jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu (James J. Murawski) writes:
>> Unfortunately, Gary, the other five hockey fans in New York must not listen
>> to WFAN radio.  8-) 8-)

No smiley-faces needed here-- it's all too true.  The only time I tune
in to WFAN is when I have nothing better to do than listen to idiots
try to prove why the coaches are wrong and how they could do a better
job with such-and-such a team.  For some reason, most of the callers
who get through also seem to ask some of the stupidest questions....

>Well, now, that brings up a question: Who are the other four, and are
>we all on the net? :-) Actually, there were at least five hockey fans
>who called in later that night, but I think some of them were from out
>of town.

I need a ruling from the judges-- do I count as one?  I live and work
about a stone's throw north of NYC, so I think I do.  If so, we only
have to find three more.  This is where the going gets tough....

-JPC

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From: cadams@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Chris Adams)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 02:29:08 GMT
Subject: Re: Strike and Other Thoughts
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey

I agree that the NHL was, up until now, the only pro sport which still
seemed like a sport.  I expect to have to cherish the memory.


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/ |   | | |   | \  Chris Adams
| | O |.|.| O | |  (415)857-7864
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\_|___|_|_|___|_/  GO CANUCKS!!!
From: lyddy@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Consecutive seasons over .500
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:01:36 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.192516.28767@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>, cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:
> 1)  1950-51 was the last year the Canadiens were sub-.500 !!!!!!

Are you sure?  I seem to remember one year in the early 80's or late 70's
when Montreal finished with 75 points in a 78-game season, and then proceed-
ed to knock off the B's in the first round (the Bruins finished first that
year with 100+ points).

BTW, I am currently reading Faulkner's "Absalom, Absalom" for a General Educ-
ation Comparative Literature course.  For my next term paper, I think I will
draw a parallel between pre-jinx Canadiens fans and antebellum Southerners :).

-Dan Lyddy
-UMass at Amherst (soon to become a Sharks fan, too)

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From: cs4gp6al@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Peter Granic)
Subject: Re: Toronto Maple Leafs
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 02:39:02 GMT


Ok, I have finally gotten together enough courage and strength to make
my end of year Leaf statement.  It's an empty feeling, but I will survive
it.  You don't have a Toronto Maple Leaf logo tatooed on your chest
for nothing.  

Damn, there was nothing more that I would have liked better than a 
Stanley Cup this year.  It would have been a 25th anniversary special,
this team was so similar to the '67 Leafs, who started to come on
near the end of the season, finished fourth, and ended up winning the
Cup.  But it won't be for this year.

I do not need to talk about next year.  I know they will finally break
through that barrier, and become Stanley Cup champions.  I believe
it sincerely in my heart.  I believe it every year.  For I am Leaf fan.
And it is ingrained in my being.  And it always shall be.  Always.


------------- Je me souviens the 1967 Toronto Maple Leafs -------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Leafs and the Stanley Cup in 1993.  Ian Turnbull for Hockey Hall of Fame
Has anyone seen the Swanson's Hungry Man Dinner commercial starring Brian
Glennie and Lanny McDonald lately?
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--Peter Granic----cs4gp6al@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca---------------------------


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From: ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast)
Subject: Re: Caps playoff tickets
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 00:54:47 GMT

In article <4dvMnMW00Uh7Q2Ll0Y@andrew.cmu.edu> Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>Someone mentioned this to me last night and I found it hard to believe.
>She said that playoff tickets in Washington are $30 max.  Does
>anyone know the price structure there for the playoffs?  My Penguin
>tickets are $41 and there are two more expensive levels than mine.
>$30 is a real bargain by comparison; but then, I get to see the
>Pens, not the Caps!  :)

Unless I missed something, you get to see the Pens AND the Caps. (Sorry, 
couldn't resist) The highest priced seat for this round is $34.  A low 
price, but I figure it will go higher when we get to see a better opponent.

Enjoy your Cup, it's starting to slip away...

Warren


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From: laura@pixar.com (It's Howe, Not How Many)
Subject: Playoff Traditions
Originator: laura@valkyrie
Organization: Pixar -- Point Richmond, California
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:52:03 GMT



	A friend was recently telling me about some tradition at playoff time
that involves a live squid. She could not recall the entire story, but I was
hoping that, since we'll be having playoffs afterall, someone could shed some 
light on this for me. Anyone?    

	Thank You

	Laura     
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Laura Shaffer                            	I don't share my opinions   
PIXAR - The Computer Picture Company     	with just anyone!       
Richmond, CA   USA
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Rangers Layoff Problem (Was: NHL Regular Season Revised)
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:15:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: cunixf.1992Apr14.191520.9562
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Distribution: na
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)

jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu (James J. Murawski) writes:
>user peter.r.clark..jr@cbnews writes:
>>> 
>>> The Rangers seem to be getting the best deal with the new schedule
>>> by not having to play until Wednesday.  
>> 
>>These are going to be some out of shape, out of practice, out of synch
>>players about to jump into Stanley Cup Playoffs in less than a week!
>
>Not to mention that the Rangers haven't played since March 28th, so by 
>the time they play on April 15th, they would have had 17 full days off.

The Rangers have been getting in 5 practices in 4 days, but other than
the guys who really need the rest (Tie Domi was playing street hockey
with John Ogrodnick while coming back from a minor knee injury, watch
out! (-;) the layoff may well hurt other guys who are otherwise pumped
to go out and play.  A lot of the waiting takes a mental price, as you
just don't know how ready you really are, no matter how many practices
you're put through.  Considering how rusty the other teams have looked
these last couple of nights, Roger Neilson must at least ramp-up every
one of his charges to game shape both physically and mentally (the
latter being a factor that depends much upon the individual player,
too).  Losing one game badly or both games closely could set off a
wave of panic in Rangerland, with their playoffs starting on Sunday
night ...

gld
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> gld@cunixB.cc.columbia.EDU		a) Elvis 50's stamp, or
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			b) Elvis 70's stamp?
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From: ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast)
Subject: Re: Strike and Other Thoughts
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:54:54 GMT

In article <Ydsmq1i00Uh7Q4uFp0@andrew.cmu.edu> jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu (James J. Murawski) writes:

>A lot of players are already itching to get back and are disgusted with the 
>whole thing.
Maybe that's why the owner's last offer wasn't send around to all players 
for a vote.
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From: claudius@leland.stanford.edu (Nelson Lu)
Subject: SHARKS NEWS: Blades win first IHL playoff game, 5 "demoted"
Originator: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 01:43:27 GMT

Courtesy of another netter, the Kansas City Blades defeated the Salt Lake City
Golden Eagles 5-3 last night in the first game of the first round of the IHL
playoffs.  I don't have any more details.

Meanwhile, the Sharks sent 5 players to Kansas City to boost their playoff
hopes Thursday.  The players are goalie Arturs Irbe, center Dale Craigwell,
right wing Jeff Odgers, and defensemen Pat MacLeod and David Williams.  The
Sharks might be shorthanded tomorrow against Edmonton.

===============================================================================
Kansas City Blades for the Stanley Cup!
GO LOS ANGELES KINGS!  Wayne Gretzky for Ross and Hart!
GO SAN JOSE SHARKS!  Pat Falloon for Calder!  Jeff Hackett for Vezina!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
From: bwalhof@ub.d.umn.edu (Barry)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Wisconsin got screwed!!!
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:15:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: ub.2842
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth. Information Services.




The subject says it all!!!  The officiating was worse than the NHL!!

Barry
From: chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Kiss the playoffs goodbye
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:20:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: I is a writur

seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) writes:

>Until a couple days ago I was completely with the players. Now, however,
>my feeling is that they're asking too much too quickly.

you know, if the owners had started negotiating last september when the
players did, would we be in this position now?

Do you suppose that the fact that the owners blew off contract discussions
until the players set a strike deadline might have just a little to do with
where we are today? 

Nah, of course not. It's all the players fault. After all, the owners have
bent over backwards and agreed to every demand the players have asked for,
compromised on all issues and negotiated in good faith since day one. It's
those damn players who refuse to consider alternative offers, stand by their
original proposals (take it or leave it, sucker), and remove previously
agreed-upon compromises like free agency. 

>This strike isn't about money any more. It can't be.

Yeah it is. It's also about whether the players are going to be partners in
the league, or whether they'll be slaves. Guess which the owners want?


>But then again, maybe I don't know enough to reasonably form an opinion.

None of us do. But the owner's attitude, their lack of any concrete
negotiation until March, their attempts at financial take-backs and their
unilateral withdrawal of agreements on the free-agent issue give me all
sorts of hints about who's really digging in their heels here.

-- 
            Chuq "IMHO" Von Rospach, Enterprise Products Support
            chuq@apple.com | GEnie:CHUQ & MAC.BIGOT | ALink:CHUQ
               Book Reviewer, Amazing Stories =+= Member, SFWA
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And lo, though I travel through the valley of the archetypes, I shall fear
no evil, for I know that the author can't kill me off for at least another
150 pages, no matter how stupid or trite I become, or he ruins the book.
From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: Never Say Never...
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:06:03 GMT

I just got word over WGN Radio in Chicago that a radio station in Montreal is
announcing that the NHLPA has reached an agreement with NHL owners for a two-year
contract, enabling the resumption of the regular season this Sunday. At this point,
the Montreal station is saying that the NHL is around two hours away from making
an official announcement on the agreement. Nothing official, but, from what I heard,
the two sides are going over nits, with the big issues out of the way.

Thought #1: All those phone calls between Ziegler and Goodenow the last 48 hours
made more progress than nine months of face-to-faces.

Thought #2: I hated to think that the NHL's 75th season would end with an asterisk.

Thought #3: Let the games begin... AGAIN!

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From: glenn@pageworks.com (Glenn Bechard)
Subject: NHLPA execs
Reply-To: glenn@pageworks.com (Glenn Bechard)
Organization: PageWorks Electronic Publishing Centers
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 02:23:00 GMT

Who are the NHLPA officers?  What do they do?  
There is a rep from each team but is there an election to 
decide who is Pres. etc.?

Glenn D. Bechard
glenn@pageworks.com
Organization: Special Projects, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Thu,  9 Apr 1992 10:10:40 -0400 
From: "Thomas J. Joyce" <tj06+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Penguins retain cup ?
	<1992Apr9.034126.6068@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>
Distribution: na

The Stanley Cup remains in the Hockey Hall of Fame in Toronto, except for
a few weeks when a new champion wins it. In that case they get it for a
few weeks (usually). Later, the names are inscribed on it.

Like I think I mentioned before, when I was in Toronto in mid-March, the
cup was gone. It was off being re-fitted with two new rings (the old ones
go to the Hall of Fame)

tom j.

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