Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: Zhou En-lai and his characters
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
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Date: 16 Nov 92 23:31:27 GMT

In article <lgfqujINN8eg@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>In article <1e8cg5INNrm6@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> (Xiang Zhou) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov15.061943.20594@news.acns.nwu.edu>  (ZhongDong Lin) writes:
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>>|> >> I would like to know something more about Zhou. I am impressed by the fact 
>>|> >> that he was loved by so many people. Even Mao did not achieved this. When
>>|> >> Zhou died in 1976, I was a child. I was curious why so many person wept for
>>|> >> his death. 
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>Long time in my curious, I found that Chow was not in the KMT list of "must hunt

	that's because Zhou appears to be a great compromiser and advisor
to everyone, Jiang probably wanted Zhou to work for him rather than kill Zhou.
He could use a man like him ya know, and certainly during the HuangPu years
Jiang could've known what kind of man Zhou is.  

gosh, with a chief advisor like that, if aided by a couple of descent generals
like Lin Biao instead of the useless but loyal  Hu ZongNan/Liu Chi/Tang EnBo. 
Mr. Jiang could've chased Mr. Mao to Siberia instead the other way around.  
(and then of course, he must proceed immediately on a plan to kill Lin
Biao, since a tiger usually bites its master when there's nothing more 
to eat.  ;->  )  
 
>down" like Mao and Chu. I was curious why Mao and Chow both died in 1976.

Zhou died in early Januray of that year, Zhu De died in July(not sure),
Mao in September, there's the Tang Shan earthquake, and comet-storm in
Yunan, ..., etc.  if you are superstitious, thatn there's a connection. :-) 

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>Yes, I found it. Chow was the most skillful man in CCP politics. He played a roll
>that KMT hated him but didn't want him died. He made a big mistake to put aside
>the border problem that let India took a big land (30 times bigger than Taiwan)

naaah, if he could hold it he would never gave it up, PLA soldiers are
short of breath on the Tibetan highland, in a short conflict they might
won, but if is prolonged there's no way china can fight india over there,
plus logistic is a mess, all is depend on one highway built over mountains
over mountains is no way to supply the troops.  plus they can only shoot
each other 4 month a year, the rest of the time both armies have their
butts frozen in the damn weather.   

and I don't think it was 30 times bigger than Taiwan, maybe 3 times or so,
they did got a good chunk of Kishmar(sp?) from india in '62 though.  

>into Indian territory. He made a big mistake to promote Mao as a CCP leader.
                                                 ^^^^^^^

did he?  Mao did that on his own, no matter how cunning Zhou is,
Mao played him in the plam of his hand, just like Liu Bong played
both Han Xin and Zhang Liang, he's totally under control.


>Though Chow had many arguements with Mao, he yielded for Mao. He made a big
>mistake to pay indifference of cultural revolution. By then, Mao was incapable

to the country there's a mistake, to him there's not:  he saved his own 
butt so he didn't wind up like Liu Shao-Qi or Peng De-Huai.  I doubt he
"let it go", he and Mao understood each other too well.  True if he
threw his weight and Zhu De'(he flips flops with Zhou -- smart move to
follow a brillant survivist) Mao might lose the power struggle, but it's
more likely the other way around, so it's smart for him to obey Mao,
scarifice Liu & Deng, and wait for his ultimate chance later.   I think 
although he died before Mao he finally succeeded:  he laid the groundwork, put
key personnel in key positions, so he made sure most of Mao's crazy 
policies can be undone once Mao came to visit him in heaven/hell.  

>doing things, but not Chow. However, he let it go.
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