HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 08:43:25 EST
From: <WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Bilderberger Victory
 <14612.2afde4fb@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>

Gee!  New news!  And I thought the Bilderberger scenario sank with Goldwater
in 1964.  (Anyone interested in what this is all about can read Phyllis
Schlafly's brilliant and influential contribution to the rural flea market
stalls, _A Choice, Not An Echo_, which has a whole chapter on how Kennedy,
LBJ, Rockefeller, and all the usual suspects were whooping it up with the
Bilderbergers in Colonial Williamsburg.
.
Bill Ellis (wce2 @ psuvm.psu.edu)                 Editor, FOAFtale News
Penn State, Hazleton Campus                       Voice: 717-450-3026
Hazleton, PA 18201-1291                           Fax: 717-450-3182
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce)
Subject: "The unappeasable paranoia of the Secret Service"
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Distribution: alt
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 17:58:22 GMT

According to Robert Shnayerson, "Welcome, Mr. President", _Travel
Holiday_, November 1992, pp. 70-77, 100-102, 110:

   "There is the unappeasable paranoia of the Secret Service. In the
    old days, presidents could at least glimpse the real world. The
    Coolidges often strolled outside the White House, shopping and
    chatting with their neighbors. Harry Truman was a demon walker, a
    familiar sight on Constitution Avenue. Today's presidents can't
    escape their protectors.

   "George Bush loves to travel. He's convinced that his frequent trips
    away from the White House (averaging 100 days a year) allow him to
    'continually rediscover the miracle of America's abundance.' But
    those trips require more than a few travel companions. The
    president can't leave town without being convoyed by as many as 150
    aides and Secret Service agents, a fleet of jetliners, helicopters,
    armored limousines, chase cars, and so forth, at a cost that
    apparently exceeds the $923,000 yearly White House travel budget by
    many millions, much of it hidden in various military budgets."
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The Templars
From: jim@netlink.cts.com (Jim Bowery)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 08:01:46 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

I know someone who was initiated into the Templars at University of
San Diego during the 70's but was then never really active in that
group.  (USD is a Catholic institution.)  I suspect students get
together from time to time and resurrect things like the Templars.

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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Unmarked Black Aircraft Sightings
Date: 8 Nov 1992 18:58:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


There has been some discussion of these on Prodigy on the World
Government subjects (Arts Club BB, "Books - Nonfiction" topic.)
Most of the sightings mentioned there seem to be in California.
I'll try to download some of that discussion to repost here.

-Steve
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,osu.opinion,alt.politics.clinton
From: dysart@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mitchell D Dysart)
Subject: Re: Bilderberger Victory
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:41:12 GMT

In article <WELCH.92Nov9150731@sacral.cis.ohio-state.edu> welch@sacral.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arun Welch) writes:
>
>It's all an Illuminati plot anyway...
>
>...arun (fnord)

Arun, I guess now they'll have to kill you!
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From: seth@mivax.mc.duke.edu (SETH)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,misc.legal
Subject: Re: USA President's power to pardon
Summary: Execution!
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:54:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: mivax.9NOV199211540670
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Organization: Duke University Medical Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov9.022427.13618@cs.ucla.edu>, pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes...
>According to Article II, Section 2, paragraph 1 of the Constitution of
>the United States of America, "the president ... shall have power to
>grant ... pardons".

>What's the justification for this power? Should the USA Constitution be
>amended to rescind this power?

No! 
A libertarian president could get his way (elude congress) by pardoning all
convicted of a certain type of crime (sexual preference, drug use, IRS,etc.)

A pro-choice president could pardon any doctors "convicted" of performing
abortions.

etc, etc

The president rarely uses this power; last case I remember is Ford pardoning
trickey Dick. 
****************************************************************************

My empoloyer gives out hundreds of opinions every day.

**************************************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism
From: julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas)
Subject: Re: Action list for Clinton Administration
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:57:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.181501.24767@cs.ucla.edu> pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes:
>----------------  FORWARDED POSTING  --------------------------------
>From: dfo@tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas)
>Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton
>Subject: Proposals for implementation in Clinton Presidency
>Message-ID: <1992Nov10.120319.18073@ousrvr.oulu.fi>
>Date: 10 Nov 92 12:03:19 GMT
>Organization: VTT
<...>

>Responses from those who didn't vote for Clinton are not desired.  You
>lost the election so your input as to what Clinton should do at this 
>point would just be sour grapes.  

Oh I see.  Because I voted for Bush means that I'm to shut my mouth
as to what my next President should do?  The input of 57%
of the population is to be ignored?  Sorry, that's not how it
works.  Believe it or not, non-Clinton voters *can* discuss the
issues you presented without any "sour grapes".  You might be
suprised by how much I *agree* with on the list.

I have as much interest in the next four years as a Clinton voter.
To say that my opinions are "sour grapes" and are not welcome is
childish at best (My guy won the election, yours didn't- nah nah nyah)
and elitist at worst.  And in case it needs pointing out, I'd feel
the same if Bush had won and a Bush supporter had written this.

Julie 
DISCLAIMER:  All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.destroy.the.earth,alt.slack
From: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce)
Subject: USA President's power to pardon
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 02:24:27 GMT

According to Article II, Section 2, paragraph 1 of the Constitution of
the United States of America, "the president ... shall have power to
grant ... pardons".

What's the justification for this power? Should the USA Constitution be
amended to rescind this power?

-- Brad Pierce --
From: lh@datacrime.UUCP (David Alexander)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: query.
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 17:12:23 CST
Organization: Datacrime [private UUCP site]

How can such an obvious "rig" go un-STOMPED?
 
I am referring to the INSLAW case which although i have only seen
one "side" of the story, my belief in the integrity of our "fine" govt.
is well, let us just say... lacking. 
 
It is just ANOTHER example of why the US is in such a fix...
 

This signature has been brought to you by the Bush Administration.
Please Deposit another 2 dollars and 95 cents ...
- datacrime.


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From: libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: I Have Been Forbidden to Speak the Truth From THIS Account
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:06:25 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:
: 
: I not with interest that you support a recruitment ban on AT&T because
: you believe that they support censorship.  Isn't this ban borderline
: censorship?
: 
: BTW, why shouldn't AT&T have the right to control what employees do
: while using comapnay equipment.  Anything these employees say or do
: will reflect back on the employer, regardless of disclaimers.
: 
: The AT&T policy does not cover personal accounts and home computers.

Hmm.  Not certain I really understand this... You're saying that
ATT has the right to censor Dinardo's work account because anything
he says is going to "reflect back on" them; in other words, cost
them money.  On the other hand, you're saying that those of us who
feel that the suppression of speech "reflects back on" them have no
right to make that feeling known in the only way that counts.  In
other words, people who disagree with DiNardo are allowed a say in
the matter; people who agree with are not.  Doesn't sound like a
free market to me, but yer the expert...
Bill Anderson:
From: libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: I Have Been Forbidden to Speak the Truth From THIS Account
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:47:27 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:
: limit my options because the company has upset you.  If you don't like
: what AT&T has done, then don't use them.  But don't try and prevent me
: from using them.
: 

I ha
I have no intention of doing so; and wouldn't know how to go about
it if I did.  It seems to me, however, that if ATT is going to
censor its employees' political opinions because they think that
those opinions will affect their business, it  that the 
to whom such suppression is offense to show them that the
censorship itself will also affect their business.ess
Bil.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: hart@ntmtv.UUCP (Chris Hart)
Subject: DiNardo's or Martin's atrocities?
Originator: hart@nmtvs313
Reply-To: hart@ntmtv.UUCP (Chris Hart)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:01:44 GMT

> 
> It sure is!!!  And these stories might even be of some interest 
> if it weren't for the massive clutter he's been causing with his
> degeneracy (I MEAN THIS ONLY IN THE MATHEMATICAL SENSE, OF COURSE!  ;-|)
> 
> I have attempted via private email to dissauade John DiNardo from his recent
> practice of posting multi-part verbatim transcripts of his favorite radio
> broadcasts and magazine articles on numerous bulletin boards.

----------
I could hardly disagree with you more.  Not everyone has access to all
of the newsgroups listed.  Furthermore, I have found his postings to be
packed with valuable and generally well documented material.  Few postings
have generated so much probing and intense discussion as have John's.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
i get the feeling that bruce martin is interested in suppressing info.


I believe he handles his posts in a most responsible manner.  Only a
few others on the net put in the amount of unpaid time and effort he
does to keep others informed.  
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
i agree


I am no computer guru, but if I have read
a cross-posted article once, I don't have to be concerned with it elsewhere
because of the type of newsreader I use.  If I did, I wouldn't be overly
concerned because of the value extracted from many of his articles.  
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
good point


Your
idea of his archiving his articles is a good one and I believe he has
started doing this.  This way, we will all have ready ftp access to some
very worthwhile information without having to extract those items of
special interest.  
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
this is a great idea, as long as it's *IN ADDITION* to posting them.
John, can you do this?


But unless we see them here first, we will hardly
be conscious of what is in the archive.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
another VERY good point


-Joe Gaut


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
who is this bruce anyway, and what gives him the authority to try to
interfere with what people post?!?!?!?!


Chris
From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.destroy.the.earth,alt.slack
Subject: Re: Conspiracy to Destroy the Earth?
Keywords: oxygen, military, contract, Satan, signed in blood, soul, discount
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:43:24 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Nov6.204614.4959@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> gmccammo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Gary "Tog" McCammon) writes:
>In article <BxB80p.2Eq@willamette.edu> pdudey@willamette.edu (Peter Dudey) writes:
>>
>>3.  Remember what happened to H. P. Lovecraft.  Hey, what did happen to him,
>>anyway?  I sure don't remember.  THEY'RE STEALING MY MIND!  AIYEEEEEE!
>
>...what you don't realize is that Lovecraft was right. There ARE gods, only
>not the loving kind the wimp New-Agers push... these beings are the sort
>who'll drop ANVILS on your f*cking HEAD for NO REASON AT ALL.  Oh, sure,
>sounds paranoid... but I'm a bit sore from the neck up these days and
>I sure as hell ain't no agnostic anymore.
>

Maybe one of them can destroy the earth for us!
Why do I keep thinking: "Look!  Here's someone who can help you!"
(Insert Wizard of Oz music here...)
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From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: I Have Been Forbidden to Speak the Truth From THIS Account
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:37:38 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <4599@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us> lancelot@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us writes:


|>You're right of course, and since AT&T refuses (as is it's right) to
|>allow the expression of diverse political opinions by it's employees
|>and exercises censorship in opposition to the American democratic
|>spirit and USENET policy I urge a boycott of AT&T in whatever ways 
|>possible...forbid their recruiting on college and university campuses
|>that support free speech (that should fly quite well here in

I not with interest that you support a recruitment ban on AT&T because
you believe that they support censorship.  Isn't this ban borderline
censorship?

BTW, why shouldn't AT&T have the right to control what employees do
while using comapnay equipment.  Anything these employees say or do
will reflect back on the employer, regardless of disclaimers.

The AT&T policy does not cover personal accounts and home computers.

|>California), report the story in telecommunications and computer 
|>courses (as I will here locally in the classes where I guest lecture),
|>use alternate carriers where possible...I cannot in good conscience recommend
|>to my customers or students that they patronize or work for AT&T.
|>  Just my opinion of course, ;@}, and I'm just VERY SMALL potatoes 
|>(note spelling) but I encourage others to do the same...
-- 
Mob rule doesn't become any prettier, just because the mob start to call itself
a government.
It ain't charity if you are using someone else's money.
Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com
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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism
Subject: Re: Censoring John Dinardo Violates Constitutional Law
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:12:42 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <Bx5yC5.HD0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian F. Redman) writes:

>He has been shut down under the guise of "anonymous complaints"
>having been received. The anonymity of these "anonymous complainers"
>denies John his right to due process in that he is denied the 
>right to confront his accusers.
>
The right to due process does not apply to the termination of the
rights to use someone else's property, except in the case of
landlord-tenants in some localities.

-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | "I have given you an argument; I am not obliged
geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  to supply you with an understanding." -S.Johnson
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: dxc4@po.CWRU.Edu (David Condon)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Is Internationalism bad PER SE?
Date: 10 Nov 1992 04:52:19 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dxc4@po.CWRU.Edu (David Condon)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, Bruce.Scott@launchpad.unc.edu (Bruce Scott) says:

>>Nolite te bastardes carborunodorum
>>       Author unknown :-)
>
>From Margaret Atwood's "The Handmaid's Tale", a story of religious
>dictatorship in the US.

Oh, I don't think Atwood made it up though. I believe it's an old
Latin students' joke. Sort of like "semper ubi sub ubi" (try translating
that!
-- 
         I just know that something good is gonna happen
         I don't know when,
         But just saying it could even make it happen ...      _o_
                                                                |<
Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:12064 sci.space:15565
From: dchung@efi.com (Daniel Chung)
Subject: [cover-up] extraterrestial spacecraft / Philadelphia Experiment
Organization: Electronics For Imaging, Inc.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:40:12 GMT


     [Temas pri la kas^igo de la Usona registaro pri ekster-terglobaj
flugiloj kaj la Eksperimento de Filadelfio.]

     Besides the J.F.K. assasination, the are other alleged conpriacy
and cover-up instances.  For example, there are extraterrestial spacecraft,
often U.F.O.'s.  The government of the U.S.A. is often believed to have
already had contact with aliens and have been covering it up.  For
another example, in the Philaderphia Experiment (the movie of the same
name is not related to the actual incident), a U.S. navy seacraft
disappeared from Philadelphia, reappeared in Norfolk, and appeared back,
but the government is believed to have covered it up.  Also, there is
even an explanation for increased U.F.O. activity "after World War Two",
which is related to the activities after the experiment(s).

					Daniel *Chung* (Mr.)
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From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism
Subject: Re: Censoring John Dinardo Violates Constitutional Law
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:51:59 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Memes-R-Us
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets) writes:

>Hmmm, If I might ask, how does this person who was removed have a right
>to be on the net? I think that net access is privileged and therefore
>does not fall under the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.

He has the right to

	(a)	due process,
	(b)	the identity of his accusers,
	(c)	the substance of their complaints,
	(d)	the delineation of how he is misusing resources, IE, how
		his patterns of use differ from other employees' patterns,
		and the quantifiable consequences of this pattern of use,
		IE, was he meeting his production goals or clogging up
		network bandwidth ?

If it can't be quantified, then it's subjective and subject to being
challenged.

In court, if necessary.


-- richard

-- 
=====
-- richard childers		rchilder@us.oracle.com		1 415 506 2411
         oracle data center  --  unix systems & network administration
                    Klein flask for rent. Inquire within.
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From: sichase@csa1.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism
Subject: Re: Action list for Clinton Administration
Date: 11 Nov 1992 12:53 PST
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Distribution: alt
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.196
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1992Nov10.225728.16524@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov>, julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) writes...
> 
>Oh I see.  Because I voted for Bush means that I'm to shut my mouth
>as to what my next President should do?  The input of 57%
>of the population is to be ignored?  Sorry, that's not how it
>works.  Believe it or not, non-Clinton voters *can* discuss the
>issues you presented without any "sour grapes".  You might be
>suprised by how much I *agree* with on the list.

The total number of people who voted for those other than Clinton was 
about 58 million.  That's not 57% of the population of *this* country.
It's not even 57% of the adult population of this country.  It's not
even 57% of the registered adult population of this country.  

To imply that the majority of the nation opposed Clinton is misleading.
It is perhaps appropriate in this context to point out that Bush got
only 38 million votes, which would be about 12% of the U.S. population.

-Scott
--------------------
Scott I. Chase			"It is not a simple life to be a single cell,
SICHASE@CSA2.LBL.GOV		 although I have no right to say so, having
				 been a single cell so long ago myself that I 
				 have no memory at all of that stage of my 
				 life." - Lewis Thomas
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Unmarked Black Aircraft Sightings
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:51:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.191955.24345@cs.wayne.edu> solomon@rocdec.roc.wayne.edu (Orson Scott) writes:
>Recently, in the state of Michigan, there have been numerous sightings
>of unmarked black helicopters flying manuvers. They have been spotted
>over Selfridge Airforce Base and in the Camp Grayling area. We believe
>this is part of a multinational peace keeping force which is training
>on american soil. Currently, we are trying to locate the home base for
>these aircraft. If you have personally sighted any unmarked black
>aircraft please send me mail immediately.

	Markings on military aircraft are "low visibility" and can only
	be seen when a few feet away.  Military helicopters are painted
	very dark greys and green that look black from a distance.

>
>(Sighting Reports Thus Far)
>
>A pilot was flying through Selfridge Airspace. As he was passing
>through, he came face to face with a black unmarked helicopter with a
>crew compliment of 4 soldiers wearing black uniforms. The tower did not
>tell the pilot about the traffic and there was nearly a collision.

	See above for colour and markings.  What was the weather and
	visibility like?  How high was he?  Where was he in relation to
	the airport?  Have you ever seen night-fighting uniforms?
	Maybe they were a SWAT team.
>
>A truck driver driving in the West Virginia hills spotted unmarked black
>DC-3 doing low flight training. He also spotted unmarked black
>helicopters.

	A DC-3?
>
>I have never been a person to believe in conspiracys but I believe that
>there is a sizeable build up of foreign/international troops on our
>soil. I am not sure what it is all about but I believe we should find
>out. I have called my congressman and am going to take a trip out to
>Selfridge Airforce Base today. Until we find out who is controlling
>these troops none of use should sleep easy.

	How does this constitute evidence that foreign troops are
	building up on U.S. soil?  Foreign troops come to the U.S.
	quite frequently on training excercises.  Where they go depends
	upon what they want to be trained in.


	 Alec Chambers

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