HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jsw@cray.com (Jon S. Wood)
Subject: Re: Elle MacPherson causes rape?
Reply-To: jsw@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 12 Nov 92 09:00:37 CST

In article 13367@bnr-rsc.UUCP, bramble@bcarhab.bnr.ca (Tim Bramble) writes:
>I have been following this and other similar threads lately and I must confess 
>that I am slightly amazed at the degree to which some arguments have been taken.
>
>
   lines deleted....


>I find it disturbing when individuals feel that 'reverse' prejudice (i.e. 
>reciprocating existing prejudices) is justified because of what has happened in
>the past.  Consistently, people harbour resentment for others because of something
>that happened long enough ago that neither side was even alive at the time.  As
>an example take WWII.  I have seen people, aged thirty or less, express their
>hatred for Germans because of the atrocities committed during the War.  These 
>people would blame their current German counterparts for actions that they had
>no part in.  Yes, scars remain in that these people might have been affected 
>indirectly, but those they are accusing are no more responsible for the
>past than they.  We should resolve, instead, never to let such a thing happen
>again rather than pointing fingers.

  Agreed. Reverse discrimination is using a morally corrupt mechanism to 
combat morally corrupt mechanisms. This mindless thought has become fashionable
and has been defined as political correctness. 

 I don't know who is more self-centered and corrupt, Jerry Falwell or 
Patricia Ireland. Their 'styles' are similar. They both claim the moral
high ground by spitting upon the earth they built up to get their.
From: beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: War on Fathers
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:41:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.093232.10847@walter.cray.com> jsw@cray.com writes:
>In article 2959@midway.uchicago.edu, mec6@quads.uchicago.edu (rini) writes:
>>xenon@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:

>Since 1987, Hennepin County has had automatic garnishment of all 
>noncustodial parents wages. Since 1987, Hennepin COunty has collected
>a much larger percentage of NCPs wages than ever before. In 1991,
>the Mpls Star-Tribune reported that the percentage of men paying
>child support has gone down and the amount of child support payed
>has increase astronomically. 
>
>Lower income NCPs ran for the hills when faced with garnishment
>that left them destitute.


Interesting -- so when we impose Draconian child support measures,
we force the neediest mothers into deeper poverty (poor fathers can't
pay) and simultaneously provide the middle-upper class mothers 
with greater wealth (rich fathers can't run).

At the same time, we can report greater total dollar amounts 
of child support being paid.

And better: wealthy, white, educated, voting mothers can provide 
a stronger mandate.


Sounds like trickle-down economics (and its supporters) to me.

Is anyone sure Bill and Hillary aren't Republicans?

Don
-- 
beaver@cs.psu.edu                       Opinions from the PC-challenged
From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Elle MacPherson causes rape?
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:32:29 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Nov4.134127.11971@cs.nott.ac.uk>, rji@tuck.cs.nott.ac.uk (Rob Ingram) writes:
} It may be true that you don't expect the women in your life to look like
} supermodels but doesn't the fact that you have that calender suggest that
} at least some part of you would really like it to be that way?

No.  It just means that that is what I like to look at on my walls.  Hey,
I have a penguin calendar on my wall, does that mean that at least some
part of me would really like the women in my life to look like penguins?

Have you been to a place where they sell calendars recently?  Have you
noticed that the number of calendars featuring scantily clad, muscular
men is at least on par with the number of calendars featuring scantily
clad, busty women?  Have you ever heard a man complain that he doesn't
like beefcake calendars because it presents an image that he can't live
up to?  Fantasy images are perfectly normal and perfectly healthy.  Rape
is caused by sick minds.  Let's focus on fixing that sickness instead of
continually trying to pass off the blame on external forces and silliness
like harmless cheesecake calendars, ok?

--James Preston
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Nadja's Reprehensible Attitude Towards Men
From: rivero@mdcbbs.com (Michael Rivero)
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:50:59 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: M&E (Division of EDS), Cypress CA

In article <1992Nov6.041844.13267@zooid.guild.org>, Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org> writes:
|> 
|> I'd be willing to bet that for every man who leaves a pregnant woman, there are
|> (almost) EQUAL numbers of women who abort a child wanted by the father.  (There
|> is no study on this at the moment...yet).  So don't be so willing to take the
|> moral high ground by declaring men to be unwilling to be parents.
|> 
|> And BY THE WAY, to start off this little survey...  (and to disprove your
|> outrageous claim that men would choose abortion en-masse if they could get
|> pregnant)...  I don't consider it unreasonable for myself to represent not
|> only myself, but Don Beaver, Michael Rivero, John Stevens, and the HUNDREDS OF
|> THOUSANDS of men who have gone through this experience and have been kept silent
|> by counselling professionals who consider only women's feelings to be important,
|> and by feminists who declare men who break their silence to be "bible thumping
|> pro-life patriarchal oppressors," by saying:
|> 
|> IF MEN COULD GET PREGNANT, WE WOULD *KEEP* OUR CHILDREN!
|> 
|> 

    DAMN RIGHT!   (thank you Will)





|> nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf) writes in alt.abortion.inequity...
|> 
|> NA> If men got pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.

  If I coulda' gotten pregnant, I would have gotten neither an abortion nor
married!


<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|  Michael Rivero rivero@mdcbbs.com  "Middle-aged Mutant Ninja Animator" |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|     This is my last week at EDS (mdcbbs.com) and since I am planning   |
|    to run the animation shop as a full-time business (unless a higher  |
|    paying job comes along) I will be off the net for the near future.  |
|    I want to thank all the posters, my net-friends, and even my        |
|    net-enemies for having made this last year a most interesting and   |
|    colorful time!                                                      |
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From: jsw@cray.com (Jon S. Wood)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Height based wage inequity (was Elle MacPh
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:47:48 GMT
Reply-To: jsw@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

In article 22680@ucsu.Colorado.EDU, weverka@spot.Colorado.EDU (Robert T. Weverka) writes:
>
>My personal theory is that the total difference in career options
>is due to a discrimination based on height, coupled with the fact that 
>women are shorter on average.  US Presidents are on average much taller,
>as are corporate executives. There is no gender discrimination, 
>no glass ceiling for women.  It is all just a proven height discrimination.
>
>
>It would therefore be prudent for the women's movement to join up
>with the short people's rights groups to fight this inequity.
>When short people have equal access to better career paths, women
>will too.
>
>-Ted


Ted, how poetic that you should point this out in the "YEAR OF THE WOMEN".
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,alt.dads-rights,alt.abortion.inequity,alt.child.su
From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Bill Clinton
Organization: Who, me???
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 07:03:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct30.014455.22581@zooid.guild.org> Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>
>In response to Dave Gross's post of a quote by Bill Clinton:
>
>Bill "You're no Jack Kennedy, either" Clinton says:
>
>"I know how awful it is for a kid to grow up knowing that somewhere out there,
>there is some father who abandoned her or him.  I just -- it infuriates me.
>And so, do I think we ought to have a Draconian system of national child
>support enforcement?  I sure do.  I really believe that.  I do."
>
>       -- Bill Clinton, in an interview with Christopher Matthews of
>          the San Francisco Examiner.  Interview published in Image
>          magazine, a supplement of the Sunday Examiner, 10/4/92.
>
>
>In our society, such as it is, comments like this, though biased only against
>the male side of the equation, are cheered and admired.  Now then, just imagine
>if Bill Clinton had said *this*:
>
>"I know how awful it is for a kid to never grow up, because somewhere out 
>there, there is some mother who aborted her or him.  I just -- it infuriates 
>me.  And so, do I think we ought to have a Draconian system to make sure that 
>we save babies?   I sure do.  I really believe that.  I do."

Oh, come on, Will. That's not the same thing at all. An aborted child NEVER
KNOWS that it is aborted. Never feels deprived or "different". It never cries. 
It never suffers. Please try to make a reasonable comparison.

								- Kevin
Xref: sparky soc.men:18657 soc.women:18823 alt.abortion.inequity:4839 talk.abortion:46619 alt.feminism:3704
From: beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,alt.abortion.inequity,talk.abortion,alt.feminism
Subject: Re: compromise
Date: 5 Nov 92 13:46:44 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1da49nINNnl2@gap.caltech.edu> peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
>jrmo@volta.att.com (J.R.Moore) writes:

>>Choose a point that marks a time when the pregnancy becomes more
>>than a private matter....
>>It would be illegal to interfere with the privacy of women and their
>>doctors when no evidence of life or no evidence of sustainable life
>>existed in the woman.  Therefore women would be guaranteed the right 
>>to choose to terminate a pregnancy without any roadblocks....
>>once evidence of life or sustainable life exist, the state has a
>>compelling interest to equally protect the lives of both the mother
>>and child.  Therefore, no abortions could be performed after that point,
>>except in life-threatening cases.
>
>Congratulations!  You've just lined out the basic idea behind Roe v Wade.


Not at all.

Roe v. Wade *allowed* the state to decide to prevent abortions 
after viability, because of a compelling interest.

It did not say that the state *must* prevent abortions after viability,
or must deduce that its "compelling interest" *requires* banning abortions.

Any state in the Union can permit an abortion on the day before birth.


"Pro-choicers" sweep this under the rug.  It's not so politically pleasant.
(Although it is politically correct.)

Don
-- 
beaver@cs.psu.edu                       Opinions from the PC-challenged
Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,alt.abortion.inequity,talk.abortion,alt.feminism
From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Subject: Re: compromise (was Re: Back Again To Father Notification...
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:49:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.150606.21388@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> jrmo@volta.att.com (J.R.Moore) writes:
>In article <1da49nINNnl2@gap.caltech.edu> peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
>>jrmo@volta.att.com (J.R.Moore) writes:
>>
>>>I have a compromise that will
>>>not be accepted by the extreme on either side.  I think many of
>>>the middle dwellers may like it.
>>
>>>Choose a point that marks a time when the pregnancy becomes more
>>>than a private matter....
>>>It would be illegal to interfere with the privacy of women and their
>>>doctors when no evidence of life or no evidence of sustainable life
>>>existed in the woman.  Therefore women would be guaranteed the right 
>>>to choose to terminate a pregnancy without any roadblocks....
>>>once evidence of life or sustainable life exist, the state has a
>>>compelling interest to equally protect the lives of both the mother
>>>and child.  Therefore, no abortions could be performed after that point,
>>>except in life-threatening cases.
>>
>>Congratulations!  You've just lined out the basic idea behind Roe v Wade.
>>
>>>By choosing this route, most of the middle dweller would be satisfied,
>>>since most of the steam would be taken out of the debate.  And though
>>>pro-choice folks would have conceded the third, and perhaps second
>>>trimester, they must also realize that only a small percentage of women
>>>wait that long.  More women are affected by the restrictions on all 
>>>abortions.  And though pro-life folks will be disappointed to draw a
>>>line after conception, they must admit that at least there is recognition
>>>of the importance of a developing fetus that cannot be denied its rights.
>>
>>Hasen't exactly quelled discontent over the last 20 years, has it?
>>
>>							--  Michal
>>
>
>I think you missed my point.  Currently there is a lot of fuzziness
>over abortion and in many places is not available and in others is
>available up to nine months.  My proposal compromises, but clearly
>defines a guarantee of a right to abortion for at least 8 weeks after 
>conception, and prohibits abortions after, say 20 weeks.  Talk about
>choice, let's just decide when a child gets its rights.  

If you are talking about abortion, which takes place -before- birth,
than the term child is incorrect. A child is born, there is no child
until after birth. The term usually used is fetus, and it is correct
for most of the pregnancy. 

>I think a lot of people would be comfortable with this compromise.
>
>Isn't that a little different (and yet does not overrule Roe v. Wade).
>
>Joe Moore


Rich

payner@netcom.com



Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women
From: farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf)
Subject: Re: Strong women in film (was Re: What do you Am men think about Am women?)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 10:28:09 GMT

In article <11307@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> pepke@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (Eric Pepke) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.050437.20319@leland.Stanford.EDU> farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf) writes (in re. Basic Instinct):
>>
>>Just a coincidence that nearly all the lesbian and bisexual women are
>>killers?
>
>Kind of a multiple bind, isn't it?  A male character who is a killer is a 
>strong character.  Damn that sexist Hollywood!  A woman character, or "Bob" 
>forbid, a lesbian character, who is a killer is a nasty stereotype.  Damn that
>sexist Hollywood!

You have where I said that?

>Of course, whenever any member of an Ethnically Protected Group plays an
>outlaw, all the Ethnic PR groups' eyes light up and the words "publicity 
>shot" light up on their retinas.  

If we only see blacks as hookers and pimps, but we see whites as
hookers, pimps, good cops, bad cops, lawyers, reporters, teachers, and
housewives, does that make a difference?  Can you possibly see why
blacks might complain about stereotyping?

>Remember _Thelma and Louise_ and the resulting debate which
>consisted entirely of people who could only see the heroic sides of the 
>characters versus people who could only see the villainous sides of the 
>characters?

I heard a lot about male bashing.

I liked _Thelma and Louise_.  Two great-looking women, a car, guns,
one dead rapist-wannabee, and a man with buns to die for.  What more
could anyone want?

Newsgroups: soc.men,soc.women,talk.abortion
From: lynch@ils.nwu.edu (Richard Lynch)
Subject: Re: Back Again To Father
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:46:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.032443.29698@zooid.guild.org> goid@zooid.guild.org (Will Steeves) writes:
>lynch@ils.nwu.edu (Richard Lynch) writes...
>RL> In article <1992Oct20.225628.28756@zooid.guild.org> Will Steeves <goid@zooid
>RL> ld.org> writes:
>
>RL> [all gone]
>
>RL> >I'm just interested in opinions here.  If anyone feels like flaming, please
>RL> >direct all flames to alt.flame, thank you.
>
>RL> The rules you seem to favor seem "fair", but they could only be enforced by
>RL> tyranny.
>
>Well, if *that* is so, then the same ought to be said about "Affirmative Action"
>and similar laws.  "AA" is an attempt to legislate fairness, and it is quickly
>seeming more and more as though those who are preaching freedom from oppression,
>are quickly becoming the most authoritarian....  (as usually happens in Banana
>Republics where a new leader starts a revolution and overthrows the dictator...
>then replaces the dictator...)

We are in complete agreement wrt AA.  It is an abomination.
If you count the ERA under "similar laws", however, I must disagree.


>Or, as The Who would say:
>
>"Meet the new boss.  Same as the old boss".
^  :-)

Yes, some of the feminists have gone overboard (or started there), and we have
a real mess on our hands.
But, just because AA was stupidly drafted doesn't mean that the original ideals
*couldn't* be made to work, given time.
Failure to pass the ERA is probably one of the worst mistakes in US history, as
near as an idiot like I can tell.
-- 
"TANSTAAFL"     lynch@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
From: mgqlu@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Max Lu)
Subject: E-mail of Library of Congress
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:56:03 GMT


Hi, Netters

My friend is looking for the email address  of The Congress Library to
enquire about the procedure for ISSN application.  Could someone help 
give the address of the Library and the contact number as well.  Any 
advice or info on how to apply for an ISSN for a series publication 
would also be appreciated.


Thank you in advance.

Max

-- 
* Max G Q Lu, PhD (Lecturer in Thermal Engineering)
* School of MPE, Nanyang Technological University
* Nanyang Avenue, Singapore 2263. (Email: mgqlu@ntu.ac.sg)
* Phone: (65) 7911744 Ext.4818     Fax: (65) 7911859
From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
Subject: Re: E-mail of Library of Congress
Date: 13 Nov 1992 18:34:26 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Max Lu (mgqlu@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg) wrote:
: 
: My friend is looking for the email address  of The Congress Library to
: enquire about the procedure for ISSN application.  Could someone help 
: give the address of the Library and the contact number as well.  Any 
: advice or info on how to apply for an ISSN for a series publication 
: would also be appreciated.

ftp to seq1.loc.gov and hunt around in /pub, or look in the MSEN Gopher
at the Msen Internet Review, v2n1, which has several articles on getting
ISSNs.

(gopher gopher.msen.com)


  Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. emv@Msen.com
        Msen Inc., 628 Brooks, Ann Arbor MI  48103 +1 313 998 GLOB

Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
From: Riccardo Mannella <mannella@ipifidpt.difi.unipi.it>
Subject: HELP!
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A7284D25DD0108C9@mann1.difi.unipi.it>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 12 Nov 92 18: 04:21 GMT
Organization: Dipartimento di Fisica, Universita' di Pisa, Italy
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:56:02 GMT

I am trying to get the coordinate of SimuLogics, a USA group supposed to
produce
a package for electronic libraries.
Can you help me?

Many thanks,
Ricc

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From: dawsong@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
Subject: LIBEX -- Wales, Aberystwyth -- E-mail address ?
Date: 12 Nov 92 12:48:42 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology


Require an e-mail address for:
 
LIBEX (Bureau for International Library Staff Exchange)
University College of Wales, Aberystwyth, U.K. 
 
Thanks,   Graham.
 
__________________________________________________________________________
|                                                                        |
| Graham Dawson                           Internet:  g.dawson@qut.edu.au |
| Cataloguing Section                        Voice:  +  61  7  864 3257  |
| Queensland University of Technology          Fax:  +  61  7  864 3994  |
| Library                                                                |     
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Newsgroups: soc.libraries.talk
From: ircolman@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca ("\Ian Colman")
Subject: Help!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:06:54 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]


I have a question I am hoping somebody could answer for me.


Publishers of dictionaries and encyclopedias oftern include fake terms in
their works to catch plagiarizers. What are these bogus terms called?


Please e-mail responses to ircolman@descartes.uwaterloo.ca.

Thanks in advance.

Ian Colman

Newsgroups: no.uninett.hjelp
From: magnus@apal.ii.uib.no (Magnus Alvestad)
Subject: Re: FTP hatsighet...
Reply-To: magnus@ii.uib.no
Organization: UVBS -> SFK/T-DSA / SOPS - HOS / RNoN
	<1992Nov3.102117.24212@ulrik.uio.no>
	<1992Nov3.155906.9787@ulrik.uio.no> <1992Nov3.233225@kari.fm.unit.no>
	<1992Nov10.083057.22571@ugle.unit.no>
	<1992Nov10.192318.11237@news.uit.no> <19921110.007@erik.naggum.no>
	<1992Nov11.081949.7558@ugle.unit.no> <19921111.001@erik.naggum.no>
	<1992Nov11.203332.761@ulrik.uio.no> <19921111.010@erik.naggum.no>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 19:48:36 GMT

>>>>> On 11 Nov 1992 22:10:08 +0100, Erik Naggum <enag@ifi.uio.no> said:

	Erik> Du leser s} mye rart inn i det jeg skriver at det blir
	Erik> litt vanskelig } svare og tro at du klarer } lese
	Erik> svaret.  Hva med } bare lese det jeg skriver, og slappe
	Erik> av litt f|r du poster slike innlegg?

	Erik> Det kan f.eks. se ut som om du ikke engang har giddet }
	Erik> lese gjennom det du _selv_ har skrevet f|r du postet
	Erik> det.

Hva er galt med denne mailen jeg skriver naa? Det samme som er galt
med den meldingen jeg svarer paa - det er ingen mail, det er en
posting. Du som er saa flink, Erik, maa vel kunne bruke mail? Hvis du
har problemer finnes det et mailprogram til Emacs som heter vm - det
er svaert bra og kan brukes ogsaa av dem som er litt ferske.

Ellers burde du jo bruke gnus (newsreader under emacs), der kan man
gjoere slike ting som:

(gnus-kill "From" "enag")

-Magnus (!kibo)
Newsgroups: no.uninett.hjelp
From: Erik Naggum <enag@ifi.uio.no>
Date: 11 Nov 1992 22:10:08 +0100
Subject: Re: FTP hatsighet...

Jan Roger Wilkens <jawil@hpx13.aid.no> writes:
|
|   |> Jeg brukte "kunnskapsl|s tulling" med sp|rsm}lstegn bak, men du er
|   |> sannelig verd uttrykket med utropstegn.
|   |>
|   |> </Erik>
|
|   Kanskje du burde slappe av litt naa. Muligens er du ikke
|   kunskapslos, men du er i alle fall en tulling slik som du sprer
|   dritt rundt deg med dritt...  Det er ogsaa en egoistisk holdning aa
|   si at bare univsersitetene skal ha FTP.  Dere er liksom saa mye mer
|   seriose enn oss laverestaaende vesener paa Hoyskolene da?  Ha!

Du leser s} mye rart inn i det jeg skriver at det blir litt vanskelig }
svare og tro at du klarer } lese svaret.  Hva med } bare lese det jeg
skriver, og slappe av litt f|r du poster slike innlegg?

Det kan f.eks. se ut som om du ikke engang har giddet } lese gjennom det
du _selv_ har skrevet f|r du postet det.

</Erik>
Newsgroups: no.uninett.hjelp