HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: Re: recollections of motss.con (was Re: What is virginity?)
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyle, Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 03:49:12 GMT

Gerry Swetsky (lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us) wrote:
 
> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:

[you *know* what they're refering to.]

> >I was especially impressed by the variety in shapes and sizes.
> 
>     I suspect I've seen all the shapes and sizes by now.

But, given the inductive nature of the process, 
one should continue checking [just to be confident].

>     There were several at the con I wouldn't have minded losing my
>     virginity to.

Carpe penii!

[Okay, my lack of a classical education becomes
 evident--so conjugate me.

 Why don't people say what they're thinking more 
 often, at least when it's something as interesting
 as "I wouldn't mind losing my virginity with you"?
 Sometimes I manage to convince myself that somewhere
 there's a man who thinks I'm *hot*, and I wonder why
 he just doesn't *say* so.  I suppose for the same
 reason that I don't do the same.

 Speaking of which, what is one to do with a lover
 who won't talk?  It can be *so* hard to figure out
 from the indirect evidence just what does it for
 the other.]

--jns
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: Publicity
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:55:22 GMT

(No, FJ!!, bitching is not the way. Be clear first, bitch afterwards if
they still don't get it. Say what you really wanted to say. And make it
brief.)

Ok, I'll try.

The point is not wether the Republican Party actually believes what it
is saying about GLBO* s. The point is: they are saying it. I don't care
what their motivations are, they are saying it. They are giving time to
Mr Buchanan to declare war on us on opening night. They kiss up to Pat
Robertson.

They are sending out a message: it is ok not to view LGBO* as human
beings, we don't either. They are sending out the message that it is
acceptable to be at war between us, to deny us our rights. The
republican party has said that openly.

Wether they mean this or not, Joe and Jane Average is picking up on
it.  They see it is a campaign issue. The attitude against BGLO*s is
being created, we are made an issue, a problem, a party in a war.
"Hell, even mister Buchanan said it on TV, June. It's ok to bash them."
(Do you remember how many people actually voted for that man? Even
those small %s make a lot of people you don't want to meet in a group
alone at night.)

Wether or not Gorgy-porgy said it himself is not important, his party
is saying it for him in the media, and he is not distancing himself
from it. Not to the people who go for soundbites. But they did see the
convention.

Dammit, _I_ saw it, I heard it, I got the message, and I'm not even
part of the presidential election in the USA.

Would you vote for a party that said that 'We are at war with jews?
With blacks?' That they "don't mean it" doesn't make that message any
better, you know. I think it actually makes it worse: to them we are
but pawns, and if placing us on the battlefield instead of issues about
the quality of life - thereby creating an atmosphere of officially
acknowledged and _accepted_ homo-hatred - will get them votes, they
will do so. Lack of integrity only begins to describe what is repugnant
about that attitude.

I won't convince you, Matthew. What you in essence have been telling us
is that we have taken the message from the Republican party too
seriously. How can we not take a force bidding for power with a fair
chance of getting it seriously?

They don't care about your freedoms. They don't care about your life,
Matthew. You're pawn, and you know it. You are a part of a muddening of
waters, of a distraction, of a decoy. You know it. Yet you condone it
with your vote.

You get what you pay for.
							FJ!!
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Possible good news from Andrew
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:25:27 GMT
Organization: NIST

With all the talk of TV going on here now, I will put in a shameless plug
for watching Nova tonight (Sept. 15) on PBS.  Motss content is zero, and
I'm not in it, but my coworkers are.  The episode is about hurricanes, 
and follows our NOAA research planes into the eye of Gilbert.  For those
who are interested, this will give you an idea of what I do for a living.

On a related note, I mentioned previously that Fairchild Tropical Gardens
had been almost completely destroyed.  However, some good may come of this.
The gardens invited the medical community into the garden to take samples
from its large rare tree collection before the trees are unfortunately
shredded into mulch.  Researchers said that collecting a sample as they
are doing now would normally take decades because the trees are too rare
to take samples from.  They hope this will result in new treatments for
cancer and AIDS in coming years.

In the meantime, life is returning to some sort of surreal normalcy.

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Publicity
Date: 11 Sep 1992 12:32:28 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <=vvnl#=.foucault@netcom.com> 
foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye) writes:

> Of course, we might all be talking out of our hats. But I was joking
> about the motss-relevance index; nearly everything these days seems
> to be imbued with a queer element.

True enough, but I really do think that if someone who's family
posts something here, it is automatically motss-relevant.  Of course
that doesn't mean I'll *read* it. 

> And certainly Big Bill Tilden, with his shining eyes and tragic demise,
> is motss-relevant.

Samuel (?) Tilden is motss-relevant, too, but of less interest to
me than Big Bill.  What a sad, sad story.

Arne

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies)
Subject: Re: Publicity
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 01:16:51 GMT

mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:

>mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
>     >>>>>There is _no_ cabal.  
>ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
>    >>>>Pay no attention to the people behind the curtain.
>brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies) writes:
>   >>>There is _no_ curtain.
>mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
>  >>If there's no curtain, where will we hide the pods?
>jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
> >There are _no_ pods.

>I have seen a convincing proof that if there are no
>pods we do not exist.  None of us.  And if we don't exist,
>who is wearing all of the shirts made out of that lovely
>curtain fabric?

There are _no_ shirts.

--Brent
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: G&M'ers at UNIX EXPO in NYC
From: deziner@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.p.rotella)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 12:27:19 GMT
Distribution: ny
Organization: AT&T

Hi! I will be in NYC from 9/20->9/25 attending UNIX Expo and
was wondering if there are any G&M folks that will be in that area around
then, that might be interested in meeting, having dinner, showing me NYC.

I can be reached via email by using:
	jpr@cbzoo.att.com

Thanks!
Joe
From: laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Last Oregon NCOD??
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:32:05 GMT
Reply-To: laura@hoptoad.UUCP (Laura Creighton)
Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco

In article <1992Sep4.140241.9924@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>>I just today sent off a check for $100 to the Campaign for a
>>Hate-Free Oregon; I realize that not everyone is in a position to
>>do the same -- but if you can do something for the fight in
>>Oregon or the one in Colorado, *please* do so!  Either one would
>>be a *HORRIBLE* precedent -- the two together would be insane.
>
>	Wow.  If every gay person in the US donated $50 to "the cause",
>it would mean over $500,000,000. (Here I'm assuming only gay people
>over 18...).  That's a LOT of $$$, for a not-so-small contribution.
>
>	So, where is it?
>
>	That's $1 a week for a year.  Hell, even I could afford it.
>In fact I think I'll start my own piggy bank this week.  And
>periodically, I'll empty it and send the $$$ off to something like
>CfaHFO or another GBLO*-needy org.  And next year, it'll be more 
>than $1/week!
>
>	Thanks Furr.  You gave me an idea.
>
>	Whaddya say folx?   Shold we start a pledge drive?  :-)

I don't need a pledge drive.
I wanto to know if sendin g $50 to ``Hate Free Oregon''
is likely to do 
>
>BBC


-- 
	C unions never strike; they only work to rule.

Laura Creighton 
toad@toad.com
hoptoad!laura
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: don@jwt.UUCP (Don Ducharme)
Subject: In Search of a Visions 'OyOr92 Roommate!
Organization: Private System -- Orlando, FL
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:28:38 GMT

I will be attending the Visions '92 convention in Chicago this November
27 - 29, 1992.  I will be there all 3 days and I would greatly
appreciate having a roomie to split room expenses with!  If anyone is
interested in rooming with me, please e-mail me at this address ASAP!
I would prefer to stay in the "con hotel," which is the Ramada Hotel
O'Hare.  I'll be arriving late Thursday, probably around 10:20 p.m. and
I'll be leaving Sunday at 5 p.m.; so basically I'm looking at a room
for Thursday night, all day Saturday, with check out on Sunday.

* ABOUT MYSELF *

I am a fairly mature and responsible adult, in shape (I work out 5 - 6
days a week), NON-SMOKER (and I would prefer another non-smoker), into
Doctor Who, ST:TNG, science fiction, fantasy, etc.




Don








-- 
Don C. Ducharme -- don@jwt.UUCP (uunet!jwt!don)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ericg@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Eric Chris Garrison)
Subject: New Mailing List: mail.gender
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 14:22:26 GMT


I have started a mailing list for those interested in dicussing
gender issues, including the [un]fairness of stereotypes, roles each
gender is cast in, society's views vs individual styles, and alter-
natives to living in a stereotypical mold.  Subjects could possibly
range into clothing, lifestyles, tastes and so on.  Members of the
list should be open-minded, open to discussion, and willing to
accept eccentricities in others.

The list is a simple mail mirror that distributes messages
to the list to all members of the list.  I could have arranged 
automatic anonymous distribution of messages as well.

So, if you are interested, send me a message with "add me mail.gender"
in the subject line, and you'll be automatically added and will
recieve the info I have so far on it.

Eric

-- 
Eric Chris Garrison			      UCS Support Center
ericg@ucs.indiana.edu			      Indiana University
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: trivia
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 11:09:58 GMT

jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>:jefu (seeking enlightenment and pondering the custom of parenthetical
>:	  remarks after a signature - wondering if this is to become a
>:	  net.fad like line eater food, silly disclaimers, or long and
>:	  graphic .signatures (but getting a .sig included anyway)) 
>I think Arnold Zwicky started this, didn't he?  Maybe he's doing linguistic
>research on us.

Hmmrrmpf, hhrrrrrrmmpf.

					FJ!! (who wouldn't want to
					upstage Arnold, but if this
					became an issue, would like his
					name remebered at
					archive-delving time.)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: Re: sunglasses and hats
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: sun sneezing
Organization: earnestly practicing faggots
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:40:53 GMT

i, too, am a sun-sneezer.  well, any bright light.  on first
exposure to bright light, i give two or three hearty sneezes,
causing people who don't know me well to worry that i'm
coming down with a cold or something.

a couple of weeks ago, jacques and i were sitting at twilight
by the windows in a cafe when the heavy-duty lights came on
outside.  and i sneezed twice.

some people will sneeze if they *think* about bright lights.
not me, fortunately.

arnold (seeing no motss-relevance here at all, but
         always willing to chat)


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: 277-4653
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: you taken, sailor?
Organization: earnestly practicing faggots
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 03:10:25 GMT

ooooh...it even divides *right along* the morphemes!

hot stuff, jack.  

a
From: giovanni@spdcc.com (Giovanni Gallo)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Melissa Etheridge
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:04:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep11.000420.19609
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

Could someone e-mail me informations about Melissa Etheridge discography?
I love "never enough" and the collection named "Melissa Etheridge" containing
the single "Don't you need?". Did she record any other collection of her songs?
Thanks.

Giovanni.

gallo@robocop.nyu.edu or giovanni@ursa-major.spdcc.com
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Publicity
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:14:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.42518
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <72136@apple.Apple.COM> mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>Aaachhh!  <stomp> <click> ZEIG! <*snap*>

Actually, not too bad.  Too Mel Brooks for me, though.  If you wouldn't
have decided to turn it into a personal crusade, I possibly would have
even laughed.  For now, however, you just get a smile.

Keep working on it though, if you could throw in a few misspellings
and perhaps a little air-headedness, you would have a pretty good Quayle.

--mark
--
Mark Morrissey           One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly)
Subject: Re: The Life of Reilly
Date: 09 Sep 92 01:47:42 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
	<1883kdINNl76@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>

his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM (Howard Solomon) writes:
) georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly) writes:
) > But remember: don't rile Reilly by calling him O'Reilly.
) OK.  We'll just call you RADAR.

It is absolutely not true that I drink Grape Nehis.  I don't
answer to Radar, or to Ignatius.  But, Howard, you can call me
Curious.
________________
George V. Reilly   <GeorgeRe@Microsoft.Com>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: World's First Known Bottom Found in Alps
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 09:18:47 GMT

rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>	Exactly - so I'm going with the most likely sceneario.
>Why aren't you?

Two answers to this one:

- You're talking to FJ. For me, the most likely scenario is the one
that always happens, except when it doesn't. If you can parse this
statement, I say: 'Welcome to my life.'

- (Steve, George, hit 'n' now) He was dead shortly after getting that
sperm up his ass, wasn't he?
							FJ!!
From: berninge@iron.ecn.purdue.edu (James A Berninger)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Could it happen in Lafayette, IN?
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:25:34 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

They caught us by surprise this time.  One of Lafayette, Indiana's
city councilmen, Jerry Ledbetter, has submitted a proposal to the
council to add sexual orientation to the city's anti-discrimination
clause.  If it passes, Lafayette would be the first community in
Indiana to have such a clause (this according to the article in the
Lafayette Journal and Courier -- on the front page, no less).

There will be an open meeting this coming Tuesday evening, which I
and several of my friends will be attending.  The council's vote is
said to go either way, hinging on one councilman's persuasivity.

Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of the article on me, but I would
be more than happy to transcribe it if called for.  Lafayette, BTW,
is a city of about 40,000+ people, directly across the Wabash River
from West Lafayette and Purdue University.

Jim Berninger                   ______ "This is no 'Whoops!'  This is
B0 w- c- g k s- e r- p          \    /  an 'Aaaaaaaauuuuuggggghhhh!'"
berninge@cn.ecn.purdue.edu       \  /   - Harvey ("Arnold") Fierstein
Green Lantern Fan, Extraordinaire \/      "Torch Song Trilogy"
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks)
Subject: Re: Folsom ST Fair
Organization: Not yet, but we're working on it...
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:41:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.110836.9855@uoft02.utoledo.edu>, gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.170857.2956@nevada.edu>, balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu 
>   (Shawn Hicks) writes:
> 
>> Those at PDX.com missed my leather at the Eagle.  Somehow I doubt,
>> though, that my leather will be any great deal in SF, let alone at
>> the Fair.  After all, it isn't the leather, but what you put in it,
>> that matters most. I do have a new piece, though, that seems to reveal
>> a little more...
>
>     That is truly a "servant to the cause", purchasing more clothes, in order
>to wear less, and thereby show off more!


Actually it is related to the continual comming out process: a year ago
I would never have considered removing my shirt in public, and now with 
a little effort, I can.  Now that I can bear to bare, I can wear a
harness, something I've always wanted.  So, I only purchased more clothes 
so I could wear tight leather-bits covered in glinty metal that
create unusually pleasurable sensations.  ;>

Exactly which cause am I servant to, anyway?  



OH! I got reservations for the Comfort Inn on 7th and Harrison. My plane
tickets arrived in the mail, too.  It was too easy.  I lose my Folsom
virginity this year! :)



Shawn
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Publicity
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:19:36 GMT
Organization: insert anything here

ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
>markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:

>>We are a community that
>>just happens to try to stick up for all of our diversity, trying hard
>>to make this a safe space for all.

>Give it up Mark, these dingos just don't get it.  They figure if you
>defend someone's right to be nelly, then *YOU* must be one of them
>NELLY *PERVOS*.  Kinda like anybody that sticks up for Homo rights,
>must be a homo, and since they're a homo, they don't count.  For their
>next trick, they're going to talk you into the joys of normalcy and
>obedience to the statistical Norm.  Personally, I think Norm is a really
>crummy top, but he seems to get some people all hot and wet.

	Now hold on a minute here --- which Norm are we talking about?
Norm Abrahm?  Norm on Cheers?  I mean crummy top or no crummy top,
sometimes the experience alone makes up for the lack of virtuosity... :-)
(But *when* is Norm Abrahm going to stop hacking the sides of his beard off!)


BBC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: sneezing awareness
Originator: jns@next.wam.umd.edu
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyle, Inc.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 08:28:41 GMT


Arnold M Zwicky (amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu) comes
out as a sun sneezer [afflicted with Vasomotor
Rhinitis (thanks to Jeff Raymond)], but wonders:

> arnold (seeing no motss-relevance here at all, but
>          always willing to chat)

Oh, arnold, you're just not trying hard enough.  There
*is* relevance for the glbo reader.  Just consider this
from Bob Donahue (rdonahue@spdcc.com):
 
> 	You mean I'm not the only one?

And now we've discovered some other self-avowed sun 
sneezers in Ann Carlson and Kathy Beatty.  Visibility
is on the increase.

It's a metaphor.  What is one of the most joyous
discoveries that the newly-aware glbo person can
make:  "you mean I'm not the only one?"  At last
finding someone who might understand, because that
person has shared the same condition.

Admittedly, there is not a deep stigma attached to
Vasomotor Rhinitis.  But there are plenty of medical
conditions which suffer worse fates, and which
plaque us with misunderstanding.  It's scary to be
alone sometimes.

I suffer from migraines.  Mysterious things, these,
and disturbing; they get in the way, and affect the
way I live my life.  It's a relief in a way to find
that I'm not the only one [oh, yes, I remember when
FJ!! mentioned his].  Without that stimulus, the
shame and feeling of aloneness can keep us from
doing those things which might make us feel better.

I've had these for as long as I can remember--but
for years all I could complain of was 'headache'.
Now, it seems that most people I know have headaches,
but what they mean by it is quite a bit different
from what I mean by it.  From the times I can
remember when someone would poo-poo my 'over reaction'
to a mere headache, it would seem that the sensation
is substantially different.  Have you ever had a
headache so bad that you want to die just to escape?

Anyway, my point is that migraines are something that
won't be really appreciated by those who've never
had one.  You can look at me, you can see the outward
signs of my reaction, but no matter your compassion
you'll never understand.

Which brings me to my second glbo metaphor: people
who are not sun sneezers will never *really* 
understand what it's like to *be* a sun sneezer.

It's just one of those things.

--jns
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi,alt.bbs.lists,alt.wanted.moslem.gay
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Publicity
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:45:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep10.164526.4515
Organization: insert anything here

mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
>     >>>>>There is _no_ cabal.  
>ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
>    >>>>Pay no attention to the people behind the curtain.
>brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies) writes:
>   >>>There is _no_ curtain.
>mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
>  >>If there's no curtain, where will we hide the pods?
>jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
> >There are _no_ pods.

>I have seen a convincing proof that if there are no
>pods we do not exist.  None of us.  And if we don't exist,
>who is wearing all of the shirts made out of that lovely
>curtain fabric?

	There was a strip of _Sylvia_ some time ago that had a little
girl lost in the woods and subsequently raised by cats.  In one panel,
a cat is pointing to something in the sky and saying to the girl:
"That's a UFO - pretend you don't see it."

	I suppose the motss-equivalent is the muffin or other
motssiti lost in the net being brought up by the cabal.

	"That's a pod - pretend you don't see it."

BBC

P.S> What pods?
From: bfbear@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: NEWSWEEK-GALLUP Poll on GAY RIGHTS in America
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:10:29 GMT

babyd@protein.uh.edu (baby djojonegoro) writes:

> In article <farenebt.716138559@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>  
> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell) comments about the  
> Newsweek-Gallup poll:
> > (should gays be hired in these positions? Percent saying yes)
> > >83%	Salesperson
> > >64%	A member of the President's Cabinet
> > >59%	Armed forces
> > >59% 	Doctors
> > >54%	High-school teachers
> > >51%	Elementary-school teachers
> > >48%	Clergy

What, no one asked about waiters??
or other lesbigay friendly jobs...
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