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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Using vacation days for the Jewish Holidays
Date: 3 Oct 92 20:16:37 GMT
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

In article <9210011348.AA11861@helix.nih.gov> <norm@helix.nih.gov> writes:
>I know of a Reform place in Balto, Md, that uses trumpets for shofar.

The mishnah says that in the Temple they used to have two people
blowing trumpets standing on either side of the person blowing the
shofar.  Just something that this reminded me of, not a justification
for blowing a trumpet.
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From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: When they use the SWESTICA they realy mean it
Date: 16 Oct 92 10:39:55 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

1.
Shimon Hazadik was a high priest at the temple' He lieved at Yerushalayim
(Jerusalem) about 500 years before the temple was ruined by the Romans
and about 1000 years before Arabs entered the Land of Israel.
To the East of Jerusalem there is a site known as Shimon Hazadik Tomb.
 The cite is known as such for many centuries.
Jews used to gather there for all kinds of events, one pilgrim wrote
about a wedding that was held there, many wrote about praying in that
place.
My mother in-law told me that she remember that she and other kids used
to have a special fun-day during the 33 rd day after Passover. ( She as
well as her parents grandparents and so on was born at Jerusalem).
On 1876 the cite and the near by area was bought by Jews. In the Formal
document the cite is called AL-YAHUDIA  -"the Jewish (place) " in Arabic
and so the Arab call the place.
5 days ago Arab set the place on fire. a scroll of Tora,  bible books
and praying books were burned up.
The place was renewed during the last year  days.
on this last night it was covered by PLO anti Semite slogans and by
Nazis swastikas.
 The Nazi Swastika is a common symbol adopt by Arabs to express their
high aspirations as to Jews, it is on a special intensive use at the
Gaza strip.

2.
  Yesterday was a hot day.
  Its still a summer hear in our shiny Eretz Yisrael.
  Prazon is a farm in the borders of the Yizreael Valley
  It is located within the pre 67 borders About 10 km east of Afula ,
  The  in the field of Prazon needed watering.
  At 11 a.m. Yosef Avraham was watering his crauliflowers .
  He worked alone.
  2 Arabs walked in the fields saying they are looking for a job.
  Those Arabs found Yosef.
  They consider killing a Jew to be a positive action.
  So, they pushed their long knives into Yosef's body.
  Yosef objected their action and he struggled with them , but
  because of disturbing in blood supply to his brained he coudn't
  functioning well.
  Yosef is dead.


  (Note: avraham Kohen of the nearby Gadish farm that was shot by Arabs
   10 days ago is still alive).


hag sameach   gideon
From: olga@csiatl.Gwinnett.COM (olga from the volga)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: PLEASE!  I need your help!  Help me keep this love alive!
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:58:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: csiatl.P120RB1w164w

saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:

> In article <66k3RB1w164w@csiatl.Gwinnett.COM> olga@csiatl.Gwinnett.COM
> (olga from the volga) writes:
> 
> >If this is the kind of crap my kids would hear ( if we ever 
> >have any) when they go to Hebrew school, I wowuld just as soon my 
> >husband take them to a church he likes.  I didn't like hearing this
> >narrow minded bigotry in Hebrew school when I was a kid, I certainly
> >wouldn't subject any child of mine to it.  If you don't think about 
> >what is good for you, nobody else will!
> 
> This diatribe demonstrates nothing for or against intermarriage.  It
> does, however, demonstrate the tragic state of Jewish life,
> spirituality, and education in some places in the world.  I don't blame
> her for being soured on the concept of marrying Jewish, given her
> story.  Nor am I surprised that she "couldn't" find a Jewish spouse.  I
> am, however, saddened by the statement it makes about society even if
> her bitterness is maginified 10 times reality.
> -- 
> Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
> 	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton



It sure as *** does say something about intermarriage.  If I send my 
kids to Hebrew school and all they hear is that kind of stuff about 
intermarriage, what are they going to think about their own parents 
who *did* intermarry?

olga@csiatl.gwinnett
YOW!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: sexism
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:29:09 GMT

In <Pine.3.05.9210151142.A12641-b100000@alsys1> somer@aecom.yu.edu (Bradley Somer) writes:

>And how 'bout the Pediphiles?

That too is a question to ask.  Quite seriously.  Postulate an
indivudual with a sexual attraction which while that person does not
act upon it, it still distracts this indivudual from prayer.  Nu?
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: holmes@opal.idbsu.edu (Randall Holmes)
Subject: Re: sexism
Organization: Boise State University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:35:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.171711.691674@locus.com> hayim@locus.com (Hayim Hendeles) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.131650.22385@athena.mit.edu> terra@athena.mit.edu (Terra Incognita) writes:
>> ...
>>I say this because the role to which Judaism relegates women is pretty
>>much the same as the role women have been given in almost every social/
>>ethnic group since the dawn of Western civilization, that of
>>housekeeper/childbearer/caregiver.  My take on all of this is that
>> ...
>
>Please forgive me for saying so, but I find this statement highly
>demeaning and insulting. What greater function can there be in life
>then to raise the next generation of Jewish children to serve G-d?
>
>People dedicate their lives to build better machines - and that's
>understandable and acceptable to us. But when they dedicate their lives
>to build better human beings, that is unacceptable, mundane and
>trivial???
>
>Does this not sound like a warped sense of values?
>
>Sincerely,
>Hayim Hendeles

What is noble when it is a voluntary choice becomes unbearable when it
is made mandatory.


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The opinions expressed		|     --Sincerely,
above are not the "official"	|     M. Randall Holmes
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From: jeybbu@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: sexism
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:08:50 GMT
Reply-To: jeybbu@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

Regard M. Randall Homes point that voluntary acts are more noble than
those which are mandatory.  

This matter has been addressed long ago in Jewish thought.  The
conclusion, as I recall is that it is more lauditory to act out
of a sense of obligation to G-d's will than to do the same
thing out our pure choice.  To wit....It is better to give 
tzadakah as a mitvah than to give charity as a nice person.  In the
first case you are doing G-d's will, in the second your own.

For the non Hebrew speakers on SCJ I did not translate tzadakah and
mitzvah because "charity" and "good deed" are not valid translations.

(I will retract this is Hillel, or any of the more knowledgable
contributors to SCJ disagree with the concept.)

To address the thought behind Professor Homes post, I must side with
those  who say that Judaism is s*e*x*i*s*t....Men are intrinsically
seen as different from women.  Sex is real in Judiasm.  Is Judiasm
(sic typo) going to recreate itself to satisfy liberals -either born Jews or not, ....no.   Is Judaism grapling with changing roles of women in the
58th century?   Yes.  My daughter is a different Orthodox Jew from her
greatgrandmother, and my son is not the same as his great grandmother.

(oops read "grandfather" in the last case.  ((I really need to learn how
to correct typos in net)).)

Kal Israel chaverim ...yes this is exclusionary

Julian Yudelson
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
From: d89-jsp@nada.kth.se (Arthur Sparrendahl)
Subject: Re: On Polish Anti-semitism (Take 2)
Keywords: Invectives
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:43:27 GMT

In article <matthew.718513047@mugga>, matthew@stats.mu.oz.au (Maciek Blasikiewicz) writes:
|> d89-mor@nada.kth.se (Monika Orski) writes:
|> 
|> >Leaving the Big Issues - like who is an idiot and why doesn't everybody learn to
|> >read and how are palestinians treated in Poland
		...
|> >Is this part of a Polish anti-semitism? I think it is.
|> >	m
|> 
|> I think so too. But, Monika, do explain how "a Polish anti-semitism"
|> differs from other antisemitisms, since it apparently deserves a
|> special name to set it apart.
|> MB

Polish antisemitism differs from other antisemitism 
in the respect that it mainly occurs in Poland.
AS
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: chrism@cirrus.com (Chris Metcalfe)
Subject: Sinead O'Connor & Rastafari
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:28:45 GMT

In article <ibacon.718387257@seamis1> ibacon@seamis1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Ian Bacon) writes:

>The following information was in the Washington Post today (summarised from
>memory):
>The star of David is also an Ethiopian symbol, deriving from their legend
>that the Royal house of Ethiopia descends from Sheba, via Solomon. Ms. O'Connor
>had a number of Ethiopian and Rastafarian items on stage with her, and the song
>that she sang was a Bob Marley song. The Rastarfari believe that Emperor Haile
>Selasie was a divine figure, and worship him as such. Selasie's original name
>was Ras Tafari.
>Does this mean that Sinead O'Connor has become a
>Rastafari? Don't know, but that is undoubtedly the symbolism that she was 
>attempting to display.

That's interesting.  Don't the Rastafarian's believe that the Pope is an enemy?
That might also explain Sinead's tearing up his picture (pretty extreme for a pop
act, I thought).  Is Ras Tafari the Head (Resh) Tafari?

-- Chris Metcalfe
From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: Conservative Choirs
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:05:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.094758.21636@discus.technion.ac.il> ben@ccvs1.technion.ac.il (Ben Pashkoff) writes:

>In article <Bvxn0C.Drv@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, hrubin@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:
>|>However, I have attended Kol Nidre services in several congregations, and
>|>it was always done by the cantor or choir.  One time at a conservative
>|>synagogue in San Francisco, the opera singer Jan Peerce (sp?) had the honor.

>Reminds me of a story I once heard (please feel free to add or correct as
>needed). It seems that Jan Peerce (who is Jewish) was saying Kaddish, and
>stepped into some small shteibel to daven maariv. Being a guest, the gabbai
>asked him to daven. Well, to say the least, the gabbai was fairly impressed
>with the voice, so after maariv he tells him that if he is looking for a few
>extra bucks come the high holiday season, to come back and the gabbai will pay
>him a bit to daven Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur...

Nu?  Did he do it?  Enquiring minds want to know!

(Peerce *usually* served as a cantor for High Holidays.  Made a record
or two, as well, I believe.)

R
From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Humor in the Bible (was: Heroes in the Bible)
Date: 16 Oct 92 10:34:58 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <2939@ceylon.gte.com> sgutfreund@gte.com writes:
>This thread reminds of something:
>
>A non-religous Israeli once challenged me to give examples
>of humor in the Bible (by this he meant Tanach, and specifically
>the chumash). The closest I could come was the Rashi's dealing
>with Avraham's purchase of the Cave of Machpela from Efron -
>which I find hysterical. Haman's downfall also makes for
>good reading (especially when one adds in the various
>midrashic sources).
>
>But can anyone give explicit examples of humor in T'Nach?

the clear known example is Elija makes fun of the Baal worshipper
while they tried to set fire in their alter

Elija asked them " May be your god is sleeping .. may be he is
piecing ( Gives his urin ) may be he is ... ( I don't know a nice
English word for that ).

( Note I translate the words SIACH =   Urine   (according to other
semitic language)
  SIG = gaebage    )

The talmud learned from here that one can kake fun of idols.

gideon
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gaujxl@atomic.fnma.com (Jacob Lifshitz)
Subject: Re: Israeli stocks on the NYSE
Organization: Fannie Mae, Washington, DC
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:52:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.192814.4578@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> friedenb@silver.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) writes:
>
>Can anyone post a list of the Israeli companies who trade stock
>on the New York Stock Exchange?
>
>I cannot afford to invest heavily in the Israeli economy, but I have
>a few $ to put into investment.  
>
>Thanks,
>
>Gedaliah Friedenberg
>-=-Department of Mechanical Engineering
>-=-Department of Metallurgy, Mechanics and Materials Science
>-=-Michigan State University
>
>                   

When my wife used to work for Moment magazine, they used to get a weekly
business magazine from Israel called something like Israel Business Weekly.  It
is usually 40 pages and is like a mini Wall Street Journal.  Once a month it
lists all the Israeli Stocks listed on american exchanges.  I myself follow a
few of them but have yet to invest in them.

A year ago I heard about a new fund that invests primarily in Israeli stocks.
By the time I got serious and ased for information, they went belly up.
I guess they sold their mailing list, because there is a broker who keeps
calling me about his specialty investing in Israeli stocks.  I'll look and see
if I still have his name and if someone is interested I wille-mail or post it.

Here is a partial list (based solely on memory) of the Israeli companies
traded and their symbols and the stock exhange where they are listed:

Teva pharmacuticals	TEVIY	OTC
Elcsint			ELT	NYSE
Magic Software			OTC
Lannet				OTC
Scitex			scixt(?)OTC
Elron				OTC
Elbit				OTC
Bank Le'umi			ASE(?)
PEC Israel		IEC	ASE

Kobi
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: * jesus ? *
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:40:57 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <emc.718563295@noonian> emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout) writes:
>>Which is no doubt why one of the key criteria is universal recognition!
>
>"Universal" criteria?  And how is this universe defined?  I assume
>to begin with, it excludes Christians.  So a large part of the
>Universe is excluded.  Then I assume it excludes Jews who do not
>accept any sort of Messianic speculation.  There's another part of
>the Universe gone. Then it surely excludes any Messianic believing
>Jew that does not agree with the majority of modern day Messianic 
>beliefs.  Oops, there goes another part of the Universe, especially
>now-dead Jews. Etc. etc. etc.  

I assume you mean planet.  After all, the entire Earth isn't a
significant part of the Universe!

Anyhow, I believe this all makes sense.  If the person in question
really is the Messiah, then EVERYBODY on Earth will recognize him as
such.  Jews and Non-Jews alike.  Surely it's within God's power to
define a Messiah who is convincing enough to convince everybody.
-- 
David Charlap         |"there aren't 50,000 things for which it's worth writing
dic5340@hertz.njit.edu| software; and the computer industry doesn't have enough
----------------------+ programmers to create that much good software.
Therefore, most of it must be worthless" -- Boris Beizer "The Frozen Keyboard"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
From: aleks@cray.com (Aleksander Mazur)
Subject: Re: On Polish Anti-semitism
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:22:20 CDT


In article <1992Oct8.154151.10547@cs.brown.edu> dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
>aleks@cray.com (Aleksander Mazur) writes:
>#
>#What would you say about so rich literature that now even reaches Poland
>#apparently from circulation among Jewish community in America that
>#so clearly is a lie falsifying Polish history? 
>
>Care to elaborate? 
>
I do that at any opportunity. I was showing that during discussion.
A lot of examples of such a literature was shown here.

>#Would you be willing
>#to cry the same way as about Protocols ? 
>
>I would.
>
I would appreciate it but I did not notice so far.

>#Did you cry or were you
>#at least embarassed with so popular "Polish death camps"? 
>
>I definitly think "Nazi death camps in Poland" or something similar
>should be used. When I was debating with neo-Nazi Holocaust
>deniers on the net, I took care to make it clear that the camps
>were erected and run by the Nazis.
>
That should be appreciated but I noticed also that s.c.j. readers
had overwhelmingly different approach.

>#And what kind
>#of education comes from such a literature for Jewish community ?
>#Did you at least think about it ? Or are you simply concentrating only
>#on single issue and do not care what happens in your own community ?
>#Did you notice what kind of hatred people around late Rabbi Kahane 
>#represented ? Do you think it is good example for other communities ?
>
>????
>
>What do you think Kahane's status in the Jewish community was? He gained
>some popularity long ago, when he was preaching a more reasonable
>message, that Jews have to defend themselves. I have no problem
>with his attiude towards US Nazis and antisemites, and I think
>that "for every Jew a .22" is a good idea, a .45 even a better one.
>
>However, the vast majority of US and Israeli Jews completely rejected 
>his racist views towards Arabs. He was even banned from running to
>parlaiment in Israel! So what is your point? And if you criticize
>Kahane, what do you say about Glemp?
>
>-Danny Keren.
>
>
>

Yes, Rabbi Kahane's party was excluded from elections even by the most
right wing parties which cannot be suspected of any sympathy toward
Palestinians if we consider policy they promoted. That also says how
extreme program that party represented.
If Glemp would say anything as racist, as Rabbi Kahane and his followers
did, I would criticize. And I would like to point out, that followers
of Rabbi Kahane are not so exclusive in those ideas. I remember
that even members of Kneset took part together with other religious
Jews in action throwing Palestinians out of their homes, setting dynamite
and occupying those properties. I cannot imagine anything like that in 
Poland, Europe, or America.

A. Mazur
From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Attending a More Traditional Service
Date: 9 Oct 92 07:30:58
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
	<1992Oct8.214158.25497@umbc3.umbc.edu>
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In-reply-to: shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu's message of Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:41:58 GMT

On Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:41:58 GMT, shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff) said:

> As far as the early German Reform movement adopting some Protestant
> practices, I don't have sources at hand, but I suspect that any 
> standard history of Judaism would confirm the fact.  What got
> borrowed was sometimes outrageous (by contemporary standards),
> like Sunday services in place of Saturday, but sometimes seems
> quite reasonable (like sermons in the vernacular).  I hope Daniel
> Faigin is reading this; he often serves as scj's authority on
> the Reform movement, and will certainly correct me if I'm wrong.)

What Eliot says is true. Some of these practices are still followed, some are
no longer followed. Examples:

	Services on Sunday		No longer done
	Choirs				Still present, often w/cantor
	Sermons				Still present
	Much liturgy in vernacular	Still present
	Confirmation Ceremony		Still present (10th grade graduation)
	Consecration Ceremony		Still present (Start of rel. school)

Many of the practices once discarded by german reform have returned also.
Examples:

	PRACTICE			STATUS
	Wearing of Kippah in Temple	Returning
	Wearing of Tallit in Temple	Returning
	Bar Mitzvahs			Returned
	Use of Hebrew			Returned
	Observance of Kashrut		Growing Return
	Circumcision			Never really left
	Two-day holiday observance	Returning
	Use of cantors			Returning
	Use of chuppahs/ketubahs	Returned

Daniel
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: On Polish Anti-semitism
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:27:46 GMT

aleks@cray.com (Aleksander Mazur) writes:

#dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:

#Well, you seem to have slightly different informations than it was
#reported by international agencies. The police could remove other
#perpetrators except those of the house occupied by members of
#Knesset because of their immunity. And as so-called lawful reason
#for takeover was quoted Israeli law that allows to take property of
#Palestinians if they do not use it for some time. Even that occurred
#not so legitimate as police intervened.

So what does the law exactly says? That if a Palestinian does
not use his house for some time it can be "occupied"? There is
no such law. What are you talking about? And if there was such
a law, why did the police intervene?

##Your assertion that dynamite was used in these cases, and by
##Knesset members, shows that your local pusher sells you really
##good stuff. Maybe take a little pause before you post on a public
##forum, though.

#Maybe it was not such a pusher that agency after all as even
#photographs were shown.

Photograph of pairlament members laying dynamite? Of *anyone*
laying dynamite? Eh?

##As for Europe, it has a history a thousand times bloodier than
##Israel, and the present dosen't look too good either. As for the
##US, an ex-Nazi and first class racist recently got 40 percent
##of the votes for governor of Luisiana. So what gives, baby?

#In this particular case we are not talking about bloody incident,
#maybe we also will get there. 

Oh so WW2 and what is going on today in Bosnia and Germany is
a "bloody incident"?

#What is interesting however in this
#case was attitude of lawmakers to take over property. 

As noted above, no such law exists, so your point is moot.

#Can you imagine
#Polish lawmakers taking over Jewish houses or American lawmakers
#taking property of Blacks? 

Well there must be a few hundred thousands homes in Poland that
belonged to Jews. Who lives in them now? Suppose my grandfather
was a Polish Jew who died in Auschwitz. Can I go now and claim
his house??

#Because I cannot. I still cannot
#imagine members of parliament in any European country in actions
#like that. Regarding candidate of Luisiana I am not his supporter.
#But also probably I have very, very limited knowledge of what
#he said so far. 

He was a leader of a KKK fraction. Do you know what the KKK is?

#The same with Pen in France. So maybe somebody
#will quote them so we will be able to compare with what Rabbi
#Kahane and his supporters were saying. And at least so far
#I had never heard more racist attitude. I will be very interested
#in changing my opinion - if somebody can quote more racist
#statements. Possibly the most racist statements that they ever
#made.

Again, what's your point? What percentage of Israeli/US Jews
did Kahane stand for?

-Danny Keren.


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