From: perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman)
Subject: Re: Practicing what is preached, Part III
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 04:19:46 GMT

In article <23105@venera.isi.edu> arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens) writes:
>In article <42732@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> revans@euclid.ucsd.edu (Ron Evans) writes:
>>
>> <1992Dec15.182856.23705@colorado.edu> perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) writes:
>> ...  I do know that numerous
>> PLO-affiliated activists who've stated even slightly non-standard
>> opinions have been forced to seek protection from Israeli authorities
>> not for being collaborators - which they're not - but just for speaking
>> something that some party or other doesn't approve of.
>>
>> In article <23075@venera.isi.edu> arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens) writes:
>> This often repeated claim is absolute nonsense, completely untrue. .
>> . .  Can you provide us ONE (1) example of a PLO-affiliated activist
>> who did no more than state a slightly non-standard opinion, and as a
>> consequence was forced to seek protection from Israeli authorities?
>>
>>  Absolute nonsense?  Completely untrue?   Often repeated?
>>  Let's be merciful and focus just on "often repeated".
>>  Where is the evidence that this claim has been repeated
>>  often?  Where is the evidence that this claim has 
>>  been made even by a single additional person?
>
>Well, Mr. Perlman, in his last article in his exchange with me, says
>concerning that exact statement of mine:
>
>   "[Yigal Arens himself] admitted this on Usenet when [he] pointed out
>    as an introduction to [his] original message that it's a 'commonly
>    made' accusation"
>
>His language clearly indicates that he agrees that this is indeed, as I
>had stated, a "commonly made" accusation (one is not said to "admit" to
>something false!).  We thus have ONE additional person who believes as I
>do -- and not just *anyone*, but the illustrious debater and source of
>your usenet quotations, Mr. Eric S. Perlman himself!

Excuse me, Dr. Arens:  this is utterly false.  This is not what I wrote.
Nor is it even close.  Indeed, you've twisted my meaning around
completely.  I suggest you go back and read what I wrote, one word at a
time, with a dictionary at hand.

>According to the new standard of proof on Usenet recently set by Mr.
>Perlman, this does not count merely as ONE example of a person who
>agrees with me, but in fact is an irrefutable indication of a TREND!  If
>you, Mr. Evans disagree, you are simply BUCKING THE TREND, clearly a
>losing battle.  Furthermore, according to the new standard of debate on
>Usenet recently set by Mr. Perlman, it is not my job to prove that my
>claims are true -- it is YOUR job to prove that they are false.  And if
>you narrow-midedly insist otherwise, that just goes to show that "you
>don't know what logical argument is", as he claims is the case with me.

This is utter BS.  Dr. Arens, you quite simply can't accept a person's
word to mean what the word means, can you?  Once again, you clearly need
a dictionary, and some remedial reading lessons.  You have once again
twisted my meaning 180 degrees around from what I intended (indeed, from
what the words mean - there is no possible way you can get your twisted
interpretation from *anything* I wrote) in order to prove a point.

Dr. Arens, you should be ashamed of yourself.  

Ron - I think Dr. Arens' post is all the proof you need that he is not
practicing what he preaches - indeed, that he holds others to standards
he knows he cannot meet, and then when those standards are met by those
he challenges, comes up with something to confuse the issue.  It quite
obviously doesn't wash.

-- 
"How sad to see/A model of decorum and tranquillity/become like any other sport
A battleground for rival ideologies to slug it out with glee." -Tim Rice,"Chess"
     Eric S. Perlman 				 <perlman@qso.colorado.edu> 
  Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy, University of Colorado, Boulder
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