HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: Dans uploaded OS/2 Screens SUCK!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 12:26:57 GMT

>Mostly annoying, because its wrong on both counts. IFF isn't
>proprietary, and is is most emphatically not geared to any platform.
>IFF is a pretty neat standard, since it is so extensible.

Who invented IFF?  Unless it is an ansi or iso standard it falls under
the heading "proprietary."  Of course there are levels of proprietary.
GIF is proprietary, and BMP too, but because of their ubiquity they are
less proprietary then IFF which isn't as popular.

And even if it wasn't developed to give the Amiga an advantage, it IS
AMIGA geared insofar as it has very little penetration elsewhere.  Just
as .wav is pc geared because it isn't used much on other systems.  You
COULD run them if you wanted, but you don't, so it's pretty much a
PC-only standard.


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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 17:04:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.063021.28547@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu
(Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

>Wow, this sort of comment REALLY points out some Amiga inadequecies:

>1) Apps have private screens.  This shoots to hell an enforcement of
>commonality between apps.  What a wild blend of software that designs its
>own interface.  Woo woo.

Not quite. Public screens became available under 2.0, but this revision of
the OS was not widely available on all systems until a year ago. Any
inadequacy is on the part of the programmer. If you look in the PD domain,
a large proportion of applications are 2.0 only and fully comply with the
CBM style guide.

>2) It seems beyond me that Amigaworld, *AMIGA*World, wouldn't have shots of the
>Workbench.  Think about it.  What a farce that the Amiga GUI is so irrelevant,
>being some kind of program loader, that it isn't touted.  Sheesh.  You can't
>do that with Windows or OS/2.  The basic structure of windows are all the same.
>You can't help but see the basic of Windows/OS/2 by looking at screen shots of
>Windows or OS/2 screen shots.

You can't do that with Windows or OS/2 because you'd never sell anything.
Prior to Windows, how standardized were DOS GUIs? Part of the problem is a
lack of development tools, no stringent enforcement of standards and a
user base that was more concerned with functionality than appearance.

Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:31114 comp.sys.amiga.misc:18429
From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Psigon Matrix....do you DOUBT us??)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Date: 12 Dec 92 07:30:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: msus1.1992Dec12.133044.1848
 <70750,443-101292161602@3.10.7.22>,<1992Dec12.171958.8306@usl.edu>
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <1992Dec12.171958.8306@usl.edu>, das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>In article <70750,443-101292161602@3.10.7.22> 70750,443@cis.com (Spike) writes:
>>In article <1g640cINN4vo@mozz.unh.edu>, ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G
>>Greene) wrote:
>> 
>>>    I can also multitask most of my games, since
>>>    I have OS2.  So this is not an Amiga only capability.
>>
>>Yes, but Amiga owners do not have to have 16 MB
>>of RAM to use this capability of their OS. Nor does
>>Amiga's OS take up 30 MB of HD space. *This,* IMO
>>is what produced the HD status quo among PCs -
>>people needed lots HD space to run their big, messy
>>operating systems.
>
>I do not have 16 megs in my 386.  I do not take up 30megs of
>HD space with my OS/2 2.0.  Blam! Blam! Your point are blown to
>pieces!


So?  what DO you have in your system...Mem/HD Space taken by OS/2?

>                                                                 
Jim
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From: damiel@netcom.com (Paul Theodoropoulos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: sigh.....
Date: 12 Dec 92 18:43:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Dec12.184349.24010
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)
X-Spook-Fodder: hero heroin tree shrub bush birth life death FBI CIA NSA

In <70750,443-101292162909@3.10.7.22> 70750,443@cis.com (Spike) writes:
[deleted]
>1. Post whatever they send you, verbatim.
>With e-mail address, if they supply it.

it is unethical to post private email without the permission of the sender.

no if's.
no and's.
no but's.

don't fight unethical behaviour by sinking to the same level. there are
other avenues to pursue.

-- 
paul theodoropoulos     damiel@netcom.com     (hooools@well.sf.ca.us)
       Cosysop - Threat Management Institute BBS 707 935 1713
From: damiel@netcom.com (Paul Theodoropoulos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: sigh.....
Date: 12 Dec 92 19:03:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Dec12.190328.25598
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)
X-Spook-Fodder: hero heroin tree shrub bush birth life death FBI CIA NSA

In <42481@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jfriesne@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Jeremy Friesner!) writes:

>>>
>>>No, it's the people that have them.
>>
>>Ill never agree with that statement...  its those who cant control their
>>emotions and reactions-- like paula...  shes much more dangerous than I
>>

>Wot?  Paula is doing the raping and killing?  I think not...
>So if it's not the people with "the views", then who is it?

not that anybody asked, but you know what i find offensive? the trivialization
of criminally psychopathic behaviour.

rapists and murders can barely be considered to have any "views" at all, 
besides violent misanthropy. rapists and murderers don't fill their luxury time
trading verbal jousts with people on the internet. implying same only 
trivializes something that is extraordinarily grave. sexist behaviour is NOT
the equivalent of rape. angry online words are NOT the equivalent of murder.

they aren't even remotely related to each other. and trying to generate this
connection only further alienates us from something that is dark, evil,
dangerous, and a scourge on civilized society.


lets deal with rape as rape - mandatory death penalty.
lets deal with murder as murder - mandatory death penalty.
lets deal with sexist behaviour as sexist behaviour - educate, enlighten,
and edify. calling a sexist person the equivalent of a rapist does nothing
to educate that person, and only makes them *less* inclined to change their
views.

(anybody who believes that reforming rapists and murderers is possible, is 
welcome to take that person into their home and personally try and reform
them. good luck, and sleep well.)



end of non-amiga screed.


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From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Why my Amiga is gone
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 09:02:05 GMT

In article <Bz5rBH.4p0@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod) writes:

[ ]
>
>You yourself have shown holes in Word, and I can find TREMENDOUS GAPING
>HUGE holes in Chiwriter or TeX.  One day they will be integrated.  There
>is still work to do...

Word does have its uses. It's very appropriate with an equation editor for
short articles or ones where there are few equations but more figures.
 
I would never defend chi-Writer. It just shows up as one of the things the
AMS reviews every now and then. As for TeX, I do not like it any more than 
I enjoy programming. I do maintain though that it will become as standard
in many fields once 2 problems are solved. The first is to hide it from the
user via a GUI or whatever (done by Scientific Word) and the second is to
facilitate the creation of tables and importing of EPS files (to be done by
next summer in Scientific Word, according to the developers). Scientific
Word is still at version 1.0 . In my opinion version 2.0 will have solved the
technical/mathematical word processing and file exchange problem ( A big
advantage is that Scientific Word saves its files as TeX and these can are
very portable- this is not the case for other systems, although some argue
that Postscript provides this functionality- and I don't agree with that).
 
Philip
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:32:15 GMT

In article <The_Invigilator.02xw@mad.UUCP> The_Invigilator@mad.UUCP (Paul Ayotte) writes:
>Marc N. Barrett (barrett@iastate.edu) wrote:
>: In article <bn.00w5@mndcrme.uoknor.edu> bn@mndcrme.uoknor.edu (Bo Najdrovsky) writes:
>: >    Well, holding breath might be a bit too  much,  but  in  Pasadena, Lew
>: >Eggerbrecht made it quite clear that the chip design has been significantly
>: >expedited.
>: 
>:    I would like to know what has changed all of a sudden to make this at all
>: possible.  According to Commodore's 1992 Annual Report, R&D investments for
>: FY1992 were $25.7 million.  Between 1986 and 1991, R&D investments were much
>: higher, an average of $30 million per year.  Even when Commodore's R&D
>: investments were higher, it took Commodore **SEVEN YEARS** to develop the AGA
>: chipset, which offers significant improvements only in a tiny few areas.  
>: Commodore's investments in R&D are lower now than they have ever been, and yet
>: Commodore's engineers are supposedly going to start cranking out chipsets far
>: more quickly than when funding for R&D at Commodore was far higher.  Again,
>: what has changed all of a sudden that this is possible?
>: 
>: ---
>: | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>: --------------------------------------------------
>
>Marc I can't believe in your infinite wisdow that you couldn't come up with
>the one word that explains this... MANAGEMENT.

   The same management that gave us an Amiga 4000 with an IDE interface?

>Paul Ayotte.

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From: nudd@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Nai Ying Kwok)
Subject: Re: Wolfenstein 3D
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Distribution: world,public
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 09:20:27 GMT

Dave Butcher (D.J.Butcher@newcastle.ac.uk) wrote:

: In article <Bz5uv0.8MJ@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod) writes:
: >
: The Amiga sound runs at a Max of 55.?Khz, its just missing that extra 8 bits. :-(
: Mind you 8 bits at 55Khz sounds damned good, my hearing may be going but does
: 16 bits really sound that much better.  Samples on my amiga from my CD machine
: have had _very_ little discernable difference.

But I thought 8 bit only gave you 256 levels of volume gradation, as
opposed to 12000 for 16 bit system.  So the quality must be reduced if
not in terms of sample accuracy then in terms of volume contrast!

Nudd
From: d0per@dtek.chalmers.se (Martin Hiller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: BLAZEMONGER explanation
Date: 12 Dec 92 23:04:01 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden

cs92aja@cen.ex.ac.uk (A.J.Amsel) writes:

>I am new to this news group and have missed out on the last few
>months of Amiga news so this is quite a usefull group.
>However : what the hell is BLAZEMONGER ??????

>Please note : a shorter .sig file for those who pay phone bills etc
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> | This is sent to your courtesy of Alex Amsel incorporated |
> ------------------------------------------------------------
It was supposed to be a real heavy ACNE-remover called ZITMONGER, but unfortu-
nately that name was already taken.

-Martin.
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From: ccb8m@onyx.cs.Virginia.EDU (Charles C. Bundy)
Subject: Re: Power-up for AGA Machines! rumour.
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:58:31 GMT

In article <AHANSFOR.92Dec17003102@bigwpi.wpi.edu> ahansfor@bigwpi.wpi.edu (Andrew L. Hansford) writes:
>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:46:22 GMT, jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) said:
>
>jerry> Chris Fury (cfury@csugrad.cs.vt.edu) wrote: : : Yeah, yeah... I
>jerry> know what RISC is, I know what CISC is.... but, according : to
>jerry> other sources, the MC68040 is, at it's heart, a RISC chip
>jerry> mircocoded to : understand 68000 series instructions....  :
>
>jerry> Isn't this a contradiction in terms?  I thought that by
>jerry> definition, RISC chips didn't have microcode.  It may utilize
>jerry> RISC-like techniques (pipelines, etc.), but it's definitely
>jerry> CISC.
>
>
>It is possible for a RISC processor and a CISC processor to have very
>similar integer cores.  The jobs accoplished by the integer core are
>virtually the same. (Adds, shifts etc).  RISC is more or less defined
>by its instruction set.  (pipelining, multi-piplining and such cannot
>be claimed to be RISC type technology.  RISC processors are more
>atuned to use it easier.)  So the basic core design for the 040 and
>88100 could be very similar, but what makes the 88100 a RISC and the

Yes, math is math is math in an integer sense :)

>040 a CISC is the instruction set. (and a few conventions we attribute
>to each but that could easily be incorporated on others). 
>
>RISC machines can have microcode (alpha for example in at least the

In the strictest sense pure RISC doesn't have microcode.  Microcode 
is a CISC complexity reduction feature.  Check out Patterson and
Hennessey or Colwell, et-al which describes the original RISCI built
at Berkely.

Six features which = pure RISC:

   1) Single Cycle Operation.
   2) Load/Store Design.
   3) Hardwired Control. (provides fastest possible single-cycle operation)
   4) Relatively few instructions and addressing modes.
   5) Fixed instruction format.
   6) More compile time effort. (Pipeline scheduling, etc)

If a "RISC" machine has microcode it is questionable whether it is RISC or
CISC.  If it is truly RISC, hardwired logic isn't more complex than micro-
code.

Charles C. Bundy IV
ccb8m@virginia.edu
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From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: MONTHLY POSTING: The BLAZEMONGER Application List, 12/92
Keywords: stoat, thimble, alabaster
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:07:02 GMT


HEY!

You forgot BLAZEMAIL and BLAZEFLAMER, the two most recent entries to the
list! 

Also, I can never get onto that FTP site... wonder why???


9)

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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:38:13 GMT

In article <1gre1vINNbdm@ub.d.umn.edu> rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman) writes:
>In article <BzFK3K.653@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
>:>I'll bet the comment referred to the fact that Commodore is leading the
>:>damn way and the other folks are just now waking up.  I can remember when
>:>IBM said you didn't need color or gfx for computers because all the "real"
>:>applications were text based. 
>:
>:At the time they were right.  At the time all of the software that
>:sold..or sold hardware, were text based.
>
>At least until the Amiga came along and made a new standard and people
>said "Hey, I wan't that too!"

Ho ho, but that's just not true! :-)
>	Thanks
>	Robert Fentiman
>
>UseNet: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu
>At: University of Minnesota, Duluth
>
>
>


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From: falavi@bach.mth.kcl.ac.uk (Farrukh Alavi)
Subject: Re: A1200 v Clones - just the figures please
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:49:12 GMT
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In article <Bz5w0v.Atp@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> (Paul Prescod) laughs:

>>For comparison there are between 4 and 5 million Amigas at the
>>moment. I expect the A1200 to change the picture of home
>>computing radically, but would like to know what the PC
>>'inertia' is.
>
>Hahahahahahahaha.

Careful. Too much laughter can kill.

(In case you missed Lionel's point, the release of the A1200 _has_ set new  
standards for a base machine for the consumer market; for the first time,  
you are getting a very affordable [399 pounds here in the UK] system with:
- full 32-bit internal architecture, 
- a 32-bit expansion bus [the great majority of PCs come with a 16-bit ISA  
bus], 
- 24-bit palette [most PCs bought for the home have 18-bit VGA/SVGA  
palettes],
- 4-channel 8-bit audio [the functional equivalent of your average  
SoundBlaster *add-on*] 
- PCMCIA support, with all the benefits of industry compliance that that  
brings [the first time this has been made available in a consumer-oriented  
machine, BTW; Apple etc. won't have PCMCIA compliant consumer machines  
until next year].

... all on the motherboard.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: Winfried.Krueger@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Winfried Krueger)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 10:16:26 GMT

peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:

[...]

>And let's not forget one major argument: Technically, from HW and OS,
>nobody can argue that the Amiga indeed *is* able to run any commercial
>application, WP's and spreadsheets. Only that software isn't written in
>a high enough number.

Haeh???

[...]

>Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...

winnie.
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From: fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 23:15:50 GMT

In article <BzKMB3.19v@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
>>  Actually dickhead, an AMiga 600 is selling for $389 Cdn in my City!!!!!
>>An amiga 500 goes for $299 Cdn too!!!!
>
>If I wanted a Nintendo, I would buy a Nintendo.  In today's lingo a
>"computer" is something with a monitor, hard drive and 2MB of RAM.
>
>An A500/A600 is a toy.

The original poster (was it you?) asked to show him a new Amiga for less than
$380. He didn't mention anything about hard drive or monitor. So that's what
the people responding did.

As for the A500/A600 being a toy, it's a very expandable one for a console.
Expandable so that when you maybe run into some $$ in the future, you can add
an 030 or 040 accelerator with 32-bit RAM and SCSI. Then it isn't such a "toy"
anymore is it. Try doing that with Nintendo.

They key idea is that the A500/A600 are cheap, probably cheaper than you
expected. The A500/A600 can run all the same applications as the more
powerful A3000.. (in fact, I'd venture to guess that more Amiga software runs
on the A500 than the higher end machines.) Believe it or not, people can get
along fine with an Amiga and no hard disk. Maybe 1MB isn't enough.. so add
on another meg, then take your TV adapter and use your TV as the monitor.
You've ended up still spending less than $350 (assuming you had the TV to begin
with) and now have a functional computer, with preemptive multitasking too. :)

Francis
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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:09:19 GMT
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Skip Sauls (skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu) wrote:
: >
: >Yeah, you're right, Skip.  I've got OS/2 and UNIX here, X-Windows, GNU
: >compilers, editors, and utilities, sound, applications that you can only
: >dream about, multitasking, virtual memory, memory protection, device
: >independence, etc.  I *really* feel crippled :-)
:
: That I can only dream about, eh?  Ha!  You obviously don't know what I 
: do for a living if you think that I am not aware of these things.  The
: 486 on my desk at work would make many Clone owners drool and is indeed
: a nice machine, as far as Clones go...
:

Nice try to change the subject, Skip.  Read my comments above, and tell me,
how is my machine crippled?  How come I don't notice it, and I'm not exactly
a beginner myself?

:
: I paid for my A4000 and other Amiga goodies by programming the pieces of
: junk and know more than you might think.
:

Did I say anything about your computer-awareness?  I merely disputed your
claim about 32-bit ISA-bus machines being somehow "crippled".

: >
: >Great speech, Skip.  Except that you're completely out of touch with the
: >PC world.
:
: No, you just assume that I am an Amiga owner who does not use Clones.  Part
: of my job is to pick out which new hardware and software we are going to
: buy for development.  There are some very nice things available for the
: Clones and we are constantly buying them to "stay in touch".
:

I didn't assume anything about you; I read your comments and it was obvious.
You talk as if ISA is all that's available.  Wake up.  LocalBus is available
for a premium of about $30, and EISA for another $100.  Even so, my next
machine is going to be 486 ISA.  Why?  I just don't feel the need for faster
video or disk performance, and this way I don't have to get a new video card
or disk controller -- just a new motherboard.

:
: Quitter.  :-)
:

All right!  That does it! :-)

:
: Wow!  Jerry trimmed his .sig!
:

You noticed!
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