HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: laufer@math.luc.edu (Konstantin Laufer)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: OpenWindows with Xsun instead of xnews server?
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:32:18 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Loyola University Chicago

Date: 25 Aug 92 20:01:51 GMT
Message-Id: <9208252001.AA12022@dedekind.math.luc.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look,comp.windows.x

I have been running OpenWindows on a Sun ELC, and the performance is
horrific, especially when using olvwm.  I decided to switch back to
plain X11, but using what's already there in the OpenWin installation.
In other words, I want to run the X11 subset of the OpenWin
installation by replacing the slow xnews server by the fast Xsun
server.  I got an Xsun binary and am able to start up X under twm, but
as soon as I start any xview-based program, I get the following
messages:

XView warning: Cannot load font '-b&h-lucida-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*' (Font package)
XView warning: Cannot load font '-b&h-lucida-medium-r-normal-sans-*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*' (Font package)
XView error: Cannot open connection to window server: :0.0 (Server package)

I understand the font-related messages, but not the one related to the
server.  Moreover, when I quit twm and try to start ol(v)wm, I get a
segmentation fault.

Is there anything I'm missing, extra environment variables or so?  Any
suggestions would be appreciated.

-- 
-Konstantin [laufer@math.luc.edu]
From: ematias@dgp.toronto.edu (Edgar Matias)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:43:04 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto

Date: 1 Sep 92 19:31:12 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep1.153112.25534@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,alt.religion.computers,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.misc,comp.human-factors


In article <1992Sep1.185607.26628@nntp.uoregon.edu>
johnm@cajal.uoregon.edu (John Martin) writes:
>
>BUT -- among proficient users, a good CLI is
>still better and more productive then a GUI.

Not if you want to draw a picture or sign your name on something.
This point is as obvious as the ongoing discussion is pointless.

Edgar

---------------------
Edgar Matias
Input Research Group
University of Toronto
---------------------
I speak for no one...
From: deveau@oceanroutes.ns.ca ("Terry J. Deveau")
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: XtAddInput or XtAddTimeout question
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:06:36 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Oceanroutes Canada Inc.

Message-Id: <9208281452.AA00286@expo.lcs.mit.edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 11:51:46 ADT
Phone: (902) 468-3007, FAX: (902) 468-3009
Mailer: Elm [revision: 64.9]

ric steinberger <ric@updike.sri.com> writes:
> 
>       I would "like" to use XtAddInput() to allow an X application to
> read data from a (IPC) message queue.  The man page specifies that the first
> argument needs to be an integer file descriptor for a file that is
> expecting data to be read or written (essentially).
> 
>       What I would like to do (instead) is to check whether there are any
> messages (of a given type) pending in a message queue.  I would need to use
> the system call msgrcv() to do this.  Since message queues do not use file
> descriptors, using XtAddInput may be problematic.  [Conceivably,
> I could have the sending process write to a file that the receiving process
> has open, but that seems convoluted].
> 
>       Instead, I am thinking of using XtAddTimeout() to check the message
> queue every few seconds.  XtAddTimeout() would supply the name of a 
> routine that executes a non-blocking msgrcv() call, processes any
> messages, then re-establishes XtAddTimeout().  This is polling, clear and
> simple, am I can probably live with it.
> 
>       My question: Is this (polling) the best way to go?  Has anyone else
> used message queues in X applications and found a more elegant way to be
> notified of the presence of a message of a particular type (or lacking that,
> any message at all)?  Thanks for any suggestions.  Please reply to the
> address below.
> 
What I do is set IPC_NOWAIT on the call to msgrcv() and use XtAddAppTimeout
to poll the message queue every 125 to 500 ms (depending on what else I'm
trying to accomplish while waiting for messages).  It works great. ... Terry
From: elston%boot.decnet@edwards-tems.af.mil (Mark Elston, NSI Inc., Edwards AFB CA)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Granite background on root window -- how is it done?
Date: 29 Aug 92 12:58:53 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: T&E Mission Simulator - Edwards AFB, CA

Date: 28 Aug 92 15:53:18 -0700
Message-Id: <1992Aug28.155319.310%boot.decnet@edwards-tems.af.mil>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.motif

Weeellll, nuts.

I have the feeling that this should be an easy question but I can't find the
answer on my own so here goes.....

My boss asked me if there is a way to put a "granite" pattern on his root
window after login.  I thought I remembered seeing something about it at
some point in the past so I said I would look into it.

After going through Scheifler & Gettys, O'Reilley (Vols 1,2,4 & 5), the FAQs
for comp.windows.x and comp.windows.x.motif and the vendor documentation we
have on hand I still cannot find out how it is done.  It is not one of the
options presented in the Motif window manager's 'Screen' options.

BTW we have VMS 5.4 running X11R4.

OK.  What do I do?  Where else do I look?  Or have I just overlooked something?
Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Mark.
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From: ndd@sunbar.mc.duke.edu (Ned Danieley)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: X11R5 and gcc 2.1 on a sun3
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:48:09 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Basic Arrhythmia Laboratory, Duke Univ. Med. Center, Durham, N.C.

Date: 2 Sep 92 14:44:42 GMT
Message-Id: <5045@news.duke.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

I finally got around to trying X11R5 on a sun3 with gcc 2.1, and
I've run into the same problem that someone else had back in May:
when trying to run applications that use Xmu and don't link in
Xt, I get

ld.so: Undefined symbol: _XtMalloc

errors. a couple of solutions were offered: applying some SunOS
patches

ld.jumbo.100170-06
libc.100266-06
ld.so.100257-03

and using the SunPost411FCSLd flag in Project.tmpl, or just linking
against Xt everywhere:

  Change one line in config/sunLib.tmpl:

    51c51
    <            XMULIB = _Use(-lXmu,-L$(XMUSRC) -lXmu -L$(TOOLKITSRC))
    ---
    >            XMULIB = _Use(-lXmu,-L$(XMUSRC) -lXmu -L$(TOOLKITSRC) -lXt)



so is there any preference as to which to do? as far as I can tell,
I don't have any problems that need those patches, but I'm not sure
if I want to link in (even dynamically) Xt if it's not necessary.
suggestions?

-- 
Ned Danieley (ndd@sunbar.mc.duke.edu)
Basic Arrhythmia Laboratory
Box 3140, Duke University Medical Center
Durham, NC  27710   (919) 660-5111 or 660-5100
From: hori@okds1.osaka-kyoiku.ac.jp (hori)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: xterm clearscreen erases -sl; how to stop this?
Date: 29 Aug 92 12:23:15 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Osaka Kyoiku University

Date: 28 Aug 92 23:41:16 GMT
Message-Id: <202@okds1.osaka-kyoiku.ac.jp>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

I like to use the -sl option in xterm, to keep a lot of lines of history
available to see.  But when I use vi (or emacs or any other command that
clears the screen), I lose the lines that were "cleared" from the
screen.

Is there any option to have those lines pushed up off the top of the
screen before the screen in cleared?  Maybe a termcap entry that should
be changed?

-Ben
From: curts@tmpcu.mdc.com (Curt Schroeder)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:00:46 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 09:22:18 -0500
Message-Id: <9209011422.AA16740@tmpcu.mdc.com>


Jurgen Botz writes:

> I've never quite been able to figure out what exactly NeWS is... I
> know it stands for Network Extensible Windowing System and that it's
> based on Postscript, but I don't think I've ever seen a machine
> running it by itself.

Silicon Graphics' Irix OS (before Irix 4.0).  I did some fairly in-depth work
with SGI's NeWS back in 1990.  It had the server and window manager tightly
coupled at the same layer, instead of having the window manager layered on top
of the server.  The X window manager and GL window manager sat on top of the
NeWS server/window manager.  The nice part about the NeWS server was that it
was somewhat extensible.  You could download your own subroutines and 
independent processes to the server and several kinds of hooks for getting info
out and sending info to the server were available.  However, since it used an
extension of Postscript (which is an extension of Forth), most users and
system administrators found it difficult to work with (at least that is the
impression I have gotten from the St. Louis SGI folks).  I already had some
experience with Forth, so did not find it that hard to work with.

But it was a pain at times...layered window managers are not a speedy or 
efficient way to do work.

Curt

Curt Schroeder | McDonnell Douglas Missile Systems Company      |
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From: ldawes@uahcs2.cs.uah.edu (Lisa Dawes)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: R5 Server crash
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:09:17 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 17:20:10 CDT
Message-Id: <9208272220.AA18151@uahcs2.cs.uah.edu>


We've had problems where someone who is running remote X applications on
our R5 server on a Sparc I running SunOS 4.1.1 has had the server
crash.  

There seems to be no errors or warnings issued.  Sometimes these crashes seemed
to coincide with someone exiting a server on a remote machine.

I guess my question is, has anyone else had problems with the intermittent 
crashes of the R5 server on a Sparc.
From: oj@miki.pictel.com (Oliver Jones)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Multiple-display software?
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:38:23 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: PictureTel Corporation

Date: 27 Aug 92 13:33:58 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug27.133358.3377@miki.pictel.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps

Hi, all.

I'm collecting information on various approaches to multiple-display
software for X, for a survey article I'm putting together.

If you have or know about any multiple-display software packages (for
example wscrawl, shdr, shX, xmx, and so forth) please send me some
information on them.  I'm interested in freely available software,
commercial products, and in-house application programs.

Thanks. 


Ollie Jones                  PictureTel Engineering
email:  oj@pictel.com        222 Rosewood Drive
tel:   +1(508)977-8396       Danvers, MA 01923-1393
video: (+1)700-561-9938&9939 fax: +1(508)532-6893
From: tdunbar@vttcf.cc.vt.edu (Thomas Dunbar)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: PCs/Macs as Xterminals - any advice?
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:35:24 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA

Date: 3 Sep 92 13:00:34 GMT
Message-Id: <6391@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


a
 > high-resolution 14-inch monitor      $1,100
you've got to be kidding! my $420 viewsonic 5e displays 1024x768
at a 72.6hz refresh rate..what more could one want from a 14" 
monitor!
 thomas
From: converse@expo.lcs.mit.edu (Donna Converse)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Problems with getting Xt applications to see resources...
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:03:17 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: X Consortium, MIT Laboratory for Computer Science

Message-Id: <9208281953.AA26930@excess.lcs.mit.edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 15:53:33 EDT


> Perhaps I am just being stupid (wouldn't be the first time)
> but I am unable to get either XAPPLRESDIR or XUSERFILESEARCHPATH
> to work the way they are documented in the FAQ.
> 
> For instance, I set XUSERFILESEARCHPATH to ./%N.ad:$HOME/%T/%N
> (and unset XAPPLRESDIR for what that's worth), put a file containing
> resources into ./Fred.ad and run my application "Fred", but.. no resources
> are seen. Ditto for a resource file in $HOME/app-defaults/Fred.

Try this:

1. unsetenv XUSERFILESEARCHPATH
2. setenv XAPPLRESDIR $HOME/app-defaults
3. put the application defaults in the file $HOME/app-defaults/Fred
   note that is *not* Fred.ad


Donna Converse
MIT X Consortium
From: dfl@virgo.math.tau.ac.il (David Frenkiel)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: x fonts->postscript
Date: 3 Sep 92 11:49:14 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: School of Math & CS - Tel Aviv University , Tel Aviv , ISRAEL.

Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 08:26:02 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep1.082602.7881@aristo.tau.ac.il>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Hi

I have a program which displays text in various fonts.  The next
development step is to add printing capability.  I would appreciate
pointers to source code which produces postscript files from data
which includes x font descriptions and text.

		thanx

			dfl
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+-------------------------------------------------------+
|   The white zone is 4 loading and unloading only.     |
| If you want to load or unload, go to the white zone.  |
+-------------------------------------------------------+
From: siegel@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Colormap sync from SGI to MAC...HOW?
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:27:36 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: NYU Medical Center, New York, NY 10016, USA

Date: 25 Aug 92 16:18:58 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug25.111858.1@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Does anyone have experience with straightening out colormap
differences between, say, an SGI and a Macintosh (or any two systems
running X with completely disparate colormaps)? I have an application
where I want to copy the whole SGI colormap into the default colormap
on the Mac, and I thought the following would work:

 	XAllocColorCells(MACdpy,MACcmap,True,plane_masks,8,pixels,256)
; /* where MACcmap = DefaultColormap(MACdpy,MACscreen); */
	XQueryColors(dpy,cmap,sgicolors,vinfo->colormap_size);
	XStoreColors(MACdpy,MACcmap,sgicolors,vinfo->colormap_size);

but I get:

	X Error of failed request: BadAccess (attempt to access
private resource denied)
	Major opcode of failed request:  89 (X_StoreColors)
	Serial number of failed request:  11
	Current serial number in output stream:  12

If anyone has any suggestions I would be most grateful. Also, any
ideas on how to accomplish pixmap transfer of RGB-mode output from SGI
to MAC?

Thanks,

Chris Siegel
NYU School of Medicine
chris@mchip01.med.nyu.edu
From: friedman@bnr.ca (Barry Friedman)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: MS-Windows -> X11 / How to port?
Date: 2 Sep 92 07:34:43 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Northern Telecom, Ltd.

Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 01:08:32 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep2.010832.22454@bmers145.bnr.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

I'm looking for pointers on porting MS-Windows apps. (C-Based) to X11.
Any info on relevant literature, experiences, etc. would be welcome.

Please reply via e-mail if possible.

Thanks,

Barry Friedman       friedman@bnr.ca
Emax Computer Systems, Ottawa, Ontario
From: andrewr@iagu.itd.adelaide.edu.au (Andrew Rutherford)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: VXT 2000 X terminal: user-level authentication?
Date: 26 Aug 92 04:23:26 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Information Technology Division, Adelaide University, Australia

Date: 26 Aug 92 00:34:30 GMT
Message-Id: <8309@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.windows.x

In article <1992Aug21.173556.24293@leland.Stanford.EDU>, mosedale@genome.stanford.edu (Dan Mosedale) writes:

+I'm trying to convince some DEC VXT 2000 X terminals to give me
+user-level authentication (i.e. MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1, or better yet,
+XDM-AUTHORIZATION-1).

+Interestingly enough, my .Xauthority does get a new magic-cookie upon
+each login, but the X display is clearly only paying attention to
+xhost level stuff.

	You may find that the X display would pay attention to anything
that got sent to it - DEC's supplied Motif-based clients don't look in
your .Xauthority file, so they never send magic-cookie information to the
server, and that's not the server's problem.
	This is a pet peeve of mine that DEC have promised will be fixed
in the next release - apparently someone put in a definition in a
Makefile somewhere they shoudln't.

	Andrew.

/*
 * Andrew Rutherford                 andrewr@itd.adelaide.edu.au
 * +61 8 228 5669            Real Programmers always confuse Christmas and
 * Room 1060, Adelaide Uni      Halloween because OCT 31 == DEC 25 !
 */
From: sinan@mtesol.boeing.com (Sinan Karasu)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:13:42 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 09:30:48 PDT
Message-Id: <9208251630.AA18686@mtesol>


> From xpert-mailer@expo.lcs.mit.edu Mon Aug 24 19:26:40 1992
> Date: 24 Aug 92 15:18:46 GMT
> From: peter@ferranti.com (Peter da Silva)
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  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  It does not work!!!
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>
From: oj@miki.pictel.com (Oliver Jones)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: How to get rasterized outline fonts in a window?
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:36:46 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: PictureTel Corporation

Date: 25 Aug 92 17:41:15 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug25.174115.1994@miki.pictel.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1992Aug20.165540.20980@cimlinc.uucp> bharper@cimlinc.uucp (Brett Harper) writes:
>I would like to render outline style fonts 
>to a window.  I have the rasterizer but have no efficient way to get
>the resultant bitmap into the window.  How is this usually done?  

XPutImage.  Take a look at the Xlib source for a routine like
XCreateBitmapFromData.

>(BTW: The application makes HEAVY use of text.)

Frame Maker works this way, and works quite well.

>Does X11R5 provide a server side renderer that takes care of this problem?

Yes, R5 can render from Bitstream Speedo and PostScript Type 1 outlines.
From: Colas.Nahaboo@sophia.inria.fr (Colas Nahaboo)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: GWM v1.7n
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:15:44 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Message-Id: <199208281307.AA23942@koala.inria.fr>
Reply-To: colas@mirsa.inria.fr
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 15:07:13 BST


A new update with some bug fixes to gwm is on avahi.inria.fr and
export.lcs.mit.edu (in contrib/gwm): 1.7n.

Here is the CHANGES file:

1.7n		(92/08/28)		bugs

    BUGS CORRECTED:

      - there were still problems with some idraw pop-ups (file selectors),
        due to bugs in idraw WM_HINTS positioning. fixed.

      - some windows could be left unmapped in some cases. problem discovered
        by Michael A. Patton <MAP@lcs.mit.edu>

      - -DNO_STRUCTURE_OFFSETS compilation flag to be able to compile
         wl_event.c on picky compilers (DECstations, apollo)

    DISTRIBUTION:

      - data/move-opaque.gwm: call to process-exposes to avoid crashes
	fix provided by tsm@cs.brown.edu (Timothy Miller)


PS: Sorry no patch file from 1.7m. My patch-generating script is still
broken...

Colas Nahaboo, colas@sa.inria.fr, Bull Research Koala proj. Wool&Gwm Architect
Pho:(33) 93.65.77.70(.66 Fax), INRIA, B.P.93 - 06902 Sophia Antipolis, FRANCE.
From: sinan@mtesol.boeing.com (Sinan Karasu)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Motif Numbers
Date: 25 Aug 92 02:26:57 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 17:36:41 PDT
Message-Id: <9208250036.AA17772@mtesol>


 Boy am I confused.
 We just received a circular from Bluestone that claims "Nearly 90% of the 
workstation market , and 60% of the Sun market run Motif."
 Now according to ComputerWorld(July 20) there were 500,000 Motif and 550,000 Sparcs
shipped as of end of 1991. Now assuming these number held true as of
end of 1991 we get the following Scenario:
550,000 * 60% = 330,000 Motif installations on Suns.
That leaves 170,000 Motif installations on everything else.

On the other hand since 500,000 is 90% of 555,556 that means
there are 5,556 workstations out there that NOT Suns...
This of course does not Jibe with IDC numbers that says
Sun has ~38 to ~42 percent of market. So if we go with those
numbers , then we have ( taking 40% Suns) 1,250,000 Workstations
out there and since 90% are running Motif then we have
1.125,000 workstations running Motif. But since they were only
500,000 Motif licenses sold where did the other 625,000 Motifs
come from ? Does any of the vendors have the right to distribute
Motif without licensing ?

Another problem I have with these numbers is that if 60% Suns run Motif
and 90% of all workstations run Motif then this means 40% of Suns
is equivalent to 10% of Workstations. I.e. 220,000 Suns is 10% of
Workstations and total workstations is 2,200,000 .Now since
90% of that number run Motif , then 1,980,000 workstations run 
Motif which is 1,480,000 more than total Motif licenses sold!!!
(Again assuming end of 1991 numbers.)
 Does anybody have the answer for this? Seems like I am rather
uninformed in this area. Because I can not make these numbers come out
right no matter what I try !! What is the actual Installed base for Motif 
and for OpenLook? I need these numbers since I am trying to ascertain 
the future direction of GUI world ( i.e. is it Motif? OpenLook?
Microsoft NT, Bitmap oriented or DisplayPostScript? Something 
we haven't heard of yet?). What am I missing?

I would be grateful to anyone who could shed light on
this subject and end my confusion. 

Thank you in advance...
Sinan

( These are my opinions in the quest for learning the ever slippery truth.
  But if I can ascertain what the truth is , I hope they will become the
  opinions and knowledge of others.)
From: garzione@convex.com (Michael Garzione)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: xv extensions
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:47:32 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA

Date: 31 Aug 92 17:41:08 GMT
Message-Id: <garzione.715282868@convex.convex.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Can anyone point me to a reference where the xv extensions to
X are documented?  

Thanks.

--
==========================================================
Mike Garzione                 Convex Computer Corporation   
garzione@convex.com           Education Center
From: azhao@cs.arizona.edu (Qiang Alex Zhao)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: XRN test -- please ignore
Date: 29 Aug 92 04:23:01 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Computer Science Dept, Univ of Arizona, Tucson

Date: 28 Aug 92 19:10:04 GMT
Message-Id: <21256@optima.cs.arizona.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps

XRN test -- please ignore.

-- 
= Qiang Alex Zhao		   Computer Science Department
  azhao@cs.arizona.edu             University of Arizona
  (602) 621-1815                   Tucson, AZ 85721