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From: Michael.Wise@f470.n161.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Wise)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.russian
Subject: Cyrillic Transliteration pt.1
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 19:34:02 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:161/470 - IISME-NET, Berkeley CA

EL> I'd like to use a Cyrillic font for displaying Russian on a
EL> terminal, but the transliteration schemes make this come out no
EL> closer to Russian.
 
Unfortunately, it is impossible to make a Russian-English transliteration scheme that will yield perfect letter for letter transliterations by using only ASCII characters.
 
EL> I am guessing that Russians don't use the "zh", "shch" etc.
EL> conventions, since this is an English orthographic convention.
 
Surprisingly enough, they do. (see Russian telex standard below)
 
EL> Would some kind soul be willing to explicate the vagaries of
EL> how Cyrillic is | can be | ought to be rendered via ASCII?
 
I'll give it my best shot.
 
Privet El,
You asked some good questions, and I will endeavor to answer them.
 
There are several transliteration schemes for the Russian alphabet.
 
1) The standard endorsed by the Slavic and East-European Journal (SEEJ).  This is the standard used in scholarly work,  It will transliterate back to Cyrillic almost perfectly. (The exception is the Latin "e", which can represent either "e" or "jo".  It includes hatcheks, thus will not work in the ASCII environment.
 
A, B, V G, D, E, E, Z (with hatchek), Z, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T, U, F, X, C, C (with hatchek), S (with hatchek) Sc (both with hatcheks) ", Y, ', E (with grave accent `), Ju, Ja
 
 
2) Library of Congress standard.  This standard can be rendered in ASCII.  It does not provide for perfect transliteration though. In this standard, "I" is used for "I" as well as "I kratkoe, whereas the SEEJ standard uses I and J respectively.  Also, the LOC standard uses "Iu" and "Ia."  You can see how this may lead to some confusion as to how to determine if "ia" is being used as one letter or as two letters ( i + a) Note also that the SEEJ standard uses "X" and "C" while most of the other standards use



s "Kh" and "Ts" respectively.
 
A, B, V, G, D, E, E, Zh, Z, I, I, K, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T, U, F, Kh, Ts, Ch, Sh, Shch, ", Y, ', E, Iu, Ia
  
                        continued in pt. 2.....

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From: Michael.Wise@f470.n161.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Wise)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.russian
Subject: Apologija* Sovka 2
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 19:17:02 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:161/470 - IISME-NET, Berkeley CA

    Terpenie v xaraktere sovka sochetaetsja s zhutkim neterpeniem. Neterpenie stojat' v ocheredi k prilavku s potrjasajushchim istoricheskim terpeniem.
Sovok -- on i est' sovok.
    *Apologija -- avtor i sam tolkom ne znaet, chto eto takoe. A prosto krasivo. Avtor, znaete li, i sam sovok.
 
                 (Iz zhurnala "Moskovskij Komsomolec")
 
 
                Michael Wise

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From: jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.russian
Subject: MAGNET Schools
Date: 12 Jan 1993 17:35 MST
Organization: Albuquerque Public Schools - Career Enrichment Center
Distribution: world
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Keywords: MAGNET Schools
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Hello all,
  I am attempting to obtain as much information or opinions as possible
regarding peoples thoughts on the value of MAGNET schools. Schools that
offer either highly specialized courses or courses which are for one
reason or another, such as limited enrollment at a single school but
high enrollment at a centralized district site, valuable in that context
for providing and filling an overall need within a school district.
  I have run a random in district survey of opinions and I would like
to contrast that with opinions of educators around the country. This
particular MAGNET school services the needs of eleven high schools and
provides courses for not only college bound students but also vocational
and technical training courses. As examples, everything from computer
related courses (data-entry training through business to advanced place-
ment), building trades (general construction through cabinet making),
word-processing (court reporting through advanced word-processing tech-
niques), advanced classical and modern languages (Latin to Hebrew to
Japanese to Spanish to Russian, etc.),  pre-med, A.P. calculus/fortran,
A.P. physics, A.P. chemistry, aviation science, astronomy, an LPN course
which has a high school student qualified for their Licensed Practical
Nursing Certificate upon H.S. graduation, nursing assistant and homebound
aide program, etc.
  This is an important topic for us as we would like to make the program
even better and we need input from all sources to do so. 
  Unfortunately we need to present this Friday; January 15 so any opinions
you could send my way would be appreciated and forwarded on to the appro-
priate people as soon as they are received. If you could EMail to me at
me address below it would help to save a great deal of time but I will
also followup on the conferences.
			Thank you very much for your help in advance,
							Jim Skeba
======================================================================
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                    Internet:    jim@apsicc.aps.edu
       Albuquerque Public Schools - Instructional System Manager 
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From: Seva.Elfant@f120.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Seva Elfant)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.russian
Subject: PEN PEL
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 15:10:24 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/120 - SpaceMet Internet, Amherst MA

Hello Sasha. My name is SEVA AND I Wonted to chat WIth you.
This is my 11th call on spacemet. I am from Russia. I think you are too.
I am 2 years in U.S.
I Know you have a friend named Gleb Evfarestov.
I wiLL LIve Him a message. Write back.
SEVa ELFANt


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From: Clarence.Hamilton@f462.n3625.z1.fidonet.org (Clarence Hamilton)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: puppet&puppeteers
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 23:49:20 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3625/462 - The World According, Mobile AL

hello puppeteers/teachers,
any one in bbs land interested in networking with a librarymedia person/puppeteer/teacher? if chat or network about puppet construction, teaching puppets, staging, lignting, props, sound , effects, animation or even computer puppet animation...then give me a buzz. i teach in a k-8 small catholic school. i am a member of puppeteers of america, the local alabama puppetry guild. until till the latter part of 1994 i will be in graduate school at u.south alabama (nite class you know...)
sign off...
clarence hamilton & company...
wally the bookworm, 
perry p. pawprint, 
redmont r. reed, cpa.and others.


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From: Gerald.Breau@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Gerald Breau)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: Re: AUDIOVISUAL
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 07:57:21 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

I have forwarded your message to Bill Brydges, he would be more aware of a 
solution than I. I trust you will get a response soon.

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From: Lisa.Clark@p0.f51.n140.z1.fidonet.org (Lisa Clark)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: Re: yourself
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 17:26:47 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:140/51.0 - SaskTel P.A.C.M.I.D, Prince Albert Sask

 > Hi John you are the best
 > --- GEcho 1.00
 >  * Origin: The Red Jacket School BBS in Shortsville, N.Y.
 > (1:260/690)
 
 
Getting Desperate my friend? Well rather then talking to yourself how bout talking to lis 


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From: Janice.Kibbe@f302.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Janice Kibbe)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: GRAMMAR
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 08:20:50 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/302 - SpaceMet South 1, Holyoke MA

Dear Rod,
     Whatever you do with grammar please - Please - PLEASE teach the students to stop saying "Me and my friend.............."  I have made it my personal crusade to correct every person I hear.  I guess we all have our pet peaves!


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From: Delmer.White@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Delmer White)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: AUDIOVISUAL
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 20:01:28 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

** Message forwarded by GERALD BREAU at 07:55:05 on 01-11-93 **

Bill: Could you advise Delmer on this item..Many thanks/Jerry Breau
P.S. I have already been asked by two councils to do a spring session on 
Medianet.

[Original Message Follows]

I am presently using PCPLUS instead of PROCOMM as a communications program. 
I would lika .ASP program so I can automatically logon to the AUDIOVISUAL 
branch.  Is there such a file on the BBS.  If so where and if not could there 
be.  I could then download it and use it from home.

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From: jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: MAGNET Schools
Date: 12 Jan 1993 17:31 MST
Organization: Albuquerque Public Schools - Career Enrichment Center
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: apsicc.aps.edu
Keywords: MAGNET Schools
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    


Hello all,
  I am attempting to obtain as much information or opinions as possible
regarding peoples thoughts on the value of MAGNET schools. Schools that
offer either highly specialized courses or courses which are for one
reason or another, such as limited enrollment at a single school but
high enrollment at a centralized district site, valuable in that context
for providing and filling an overall need within a school district.
  I have run a random in district survey of opinions and I would like
to contrast that with opinions of educators around the country. This
particular MAGNET school services the needs of eleven high schools and
provides courses for not only college bound students but also vocational
and technical training courses. As examples, everything from computer
related courses (data-entry training through business to advanced place-
ment), building trades (general construction through cabinet making),
word-processing (court reporting through advanced word-processing tech-
niques), advanced classical and modern languages (Latin to Hebrew to
Japanese to Spanish to Russian, etc.),  pre-med, A.P. calculus/fortran,
A.P. physics, A.P. chemistry, aviation science, astronomy, an LPN course
which has a high school student qualified for their Licensed Practical
Nursing Certificate upon H.S. graduation, nursing assistant and homebound
aide program, etc.
  This is an important topic for us as we would like to make the program
even better and we need input from all sources to do so. 
  Unfortunately we need to present this Friday; January 15 so any opinions
you could send my way would be appreciated and forwarded on to the appro-
priate people as soon as they are received. If you could EMail to me at
me address below it would help to save a great deal of time but I will
also followup on the conferences.
			Thank you very much for your help in advance,
							Jim Skeba
======================================================================
   We are rapidly ascending through prosperity to poverty...  Twain
                    Internet:    jim@apsicc.aps.edu
       Albuquerque Public Schools - Instructional System Manager 
======================================================================
From: Andrew.Probert@f20.n772.z3.fidonet.org (Andrew Probert)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: Learning Latin
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 01:04:04 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:772/20 - IBM NZ Ltd Gate, Auckland

PAT=8>      I am a graduate student in Michigan.  I am trying to
PAT=8>teach myself Latin, and I think it would help me if I
PAT=8>could practice sending/receiving messages in Latin.  If
PAT=8>anyone can help me, please respond, we could both have fun
PAT=8>with this and learn at the same time!

Hi, Paul. I would be interested in such an exercise. I studied Latin
and Ancient Greek up to undergraduate level a few years ago. I am
presently doing a degree in law and economics. I am a little rusty now
in my Latin, but in principle I would like to keep what I have learned
alive. I would be glad to help you out with your latin if you like. How
much have you learned so far.
Why are you teaching yourself Latin? For fun, or do you have some other
reason, such as you need it to read some original woprk, in history or
philosophy say in the original language?
I have found that one of the best ways to learn a language which is no
longer spoken is to read a lot of works originally written in the
language by those who spoke it. Conversing in the language can also
help. Thus your idea is I think quite a good one.

Anyway,
Bye,  Andrew
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From: Jim.Maroon@f33.n214.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Maroon)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: Re: puppet&puppeteers
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 00:30:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:214/33 - Tulare County Schoo, Visalia CA

 -=> Quoting Clarence Hamilton to All <=-

 CH> hello puppeteers/teachers,
 CH> any one in bbs land interested in networking with a librarymedia
 CH> person/puppeteer/teacher? if chat or network about puppet
 CH> construction, teaching puppets, staging, lignting, props, sound ,
 CH> effects, animation or even computer puppet animation...then give me a
 CH> buzz. i teach in a k-8 small catholic school. i am a member of


        I was a full time professional puppeteer for twelve years before I
 became a librarian two years ago.  I would love to network about it.  I use
 puppets every week during my storytimes.



... Blue Wave - World Tour - 1993
    Blue Wave/QWK v2.10



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From: Janice.Kibbe@f302.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Janice Kibbe)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: Meredith Guerin
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 08:34:14 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/302 - SpaceMet South 1, Holyoke MA

     I just wanted to say that if you are as excited about your job afer 28 years your students are the lucky ones.  Congratulations for keeping your teaching alive!


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From: Carolyn.Boyd@f921.n720.z6.fidonet.org (Carolyn Boyd)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: Storytelling
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 14:30:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 6:720/921 - World Data Exchange, Taipei Taiwan

Hi.  In answer to your question, I'm not sure but it could be that we start off reading and telling stories to children.  Also we spend a lot of time reading, so we find stories that we want to share with others. Where is your friend a librarian?  I have heard that until the last ten or twelve years there were Chinese storytellers on Taiwan in the villages.  I would love to see/hear one - even if I couldn't understand what they were saying.



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From: Jim.Maroon@f33.n214.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Maroon)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: Re: storytelling
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 09:11:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:214/33 - Tulare County Schoo, Visalia CA

 -=> Quoting Barbara Mathews to Carolyn Boyd <=-

 CB>I am a storyteller recently moved to Taiwan and I would
 CB>like information about storytelling events in the area
 CB>(Asia).  I am a librarian at Taipei American School and am
 CB>interested in chatting with anyone who is interested in
 CB>researching and telling stories, perhaps to start a guild
 CB>or NAPPS group in the future.


 BM> Just a question, Carolyn. Why is it that story telling and being a
 BM> librarian seem to go together? I have another friend who is a
 BM> librarian who is very active in some sort of storytellers' association.

        Around the turn of the century, librarians discovered storytelling
 as a means of sharing books with young children.  It was so popular that
 librarians all over the country began to use story hours as a means to both
 bring people in to the library and to get children excited about books and
 reading.  Early on it became a tradition, and many followed without question.
 Since that time, much research has been done and the instincts of those
 first librarians to begin it has proven to be wise beyond words.  We now
 use words like language devlopment, prereading skills, and concept of story
 to explain the importance of storytime, not to mention the library-books
 connection, the pleasant atmosphere children associate with libraries and
 books, and the modeling of book related behavior for the parents of children
 who attend.

        I was a professional performer (storyteller/puppeteer) for 12 years
 before I became a librarian some two years ago, so that is how I became
 interested in storytelling, but storytelling has a very powerful tradition
 in library work.  Folks now see it as one of the central functions of the
 library.  Were it not for the librarians who kept storytelling alive
 during the dark years, there would be no storytelling movement today.

 To Carolyn Boyd--
        I think its a great idea!!!  How do we start?

... Blue Wave - World Tour - 1993
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From: Andrew.Probert@f20.n772.z3.fidonet.org (Andrew Probert)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: Less "normal" Languages
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 01:04:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:772/20 - IBM NZ Ltd Gate, Auckland

JB=8>Is anyone into less studied languages... I am currently
JB=8>studying Gaeilge (Irish Gaelic).. Anyone interested in a
JB=8>pen pal of sorts??

Hi, John. My name is Andrew Probert, or ap Robert to be more correct. As
you mihgt guess I am of Welsh ancestry. I have in my time studied both
Welsh and Scottish Gaelic. I am also versed in Latin and ancient Greek.
I would be very interested in starting up a conversation with you if
you would like. I am afraid I have never learnt any Gaeilge, though I
did mean to once upon a time. Any way, just give the nod if you would
like to converse.
Do you know any other obscure languages besides Irish Gaelic?

Bye, Andrew
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From: Janice.Kibbe@f302.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Janice Kibbe)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: puppets
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 14:28:50 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/302 - SpaceMet South 1, Holyoke MA

Hi Clarence,
     I'm in Massachusetts.  I don't know if there are guilds around here or not.  At the public library they have a pamphlet that tells about all the storytellers, puppet groups, singers, etc.  That is where I located the group that came to my pre-school.  
     The New England Puppet group I told you about is out of Amherst or Northampton I think.  They were quite large a few years ago with lots of productions.  Maybe they still are but since my kids are now in middle school I don't pay as much attention to the puppetry area.
     We also had a retired gentleman come and do a presentation at our elementary school with Indonesian puppets.  They were fantastic and what a beautiful presentation he did.  
     What kind of puppets do you use.  My favorite are the life size puppets where the puppeteers dress all in black and operate them.  I can't remember the official name for them.  Maybe you could jog my memory.


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From: Laura.Ruby@p0.f14.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Laura Ruby)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: Re: Writing Rating Scales
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 16:46:20 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/14.0 - Room 5, Bonners Ferry ID

Jim, I recieved the scales.  Thank you.  Laura



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From: Janice.Kibbe@f302.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Janice Kibbe)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: GRAMMAR
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 16:58:02 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/302 - SpaceMet South 1, Holyoke MA

Hi Rod,
     Good luck and maybe you could post some of your ideas to share with the rest of us.  I'm doing a student teaching practicum starting in January in a second grade.  I don't think there will be too much grammar instruction, but am interested in obtaining a lot of ideas for my future teaching.


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From: John.Mclaughlin@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (John Mclaughlin)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: HI
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 12:05:01 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

HI Laura.  Thanks for your message.  I haven't checked the bulletin board in 
a few weeks so you must wonder if I've droppped off of the side of the earth 
or what.  ANyway, before Christmas we had a very busy couple of weeks.  We 
had our major tests -- that was a difficult one because of our multi grade 
grouping, but I managed to make up a test that I think was fair and 
challenging.  The students did very well on it so that was rewarding.  Our 
writing workshop is going very well.  I made a series of changes this time 
with regards to marking and I will be reading their weork over this week. 
Last time I had them submit five pieces of writing and thern I conferenced 
with each of them.  It took forever to go through 60 kids (that's 300 pieces 
of writing).  Also, the kids just wrote five pieces of writing each (rather 
than having an assortment to choose from.  This time  I didn't tell them how 
many they would have to submit until the actual submission date.  Then I told 
them they needed to hand in two pieces of writing (that way I'm sure each one 
had a choice) and also to hand in a process paper on each pieces of writing. 
In thi process paper I asked them to tell me the history of their piece and 
their personal reaction to it.  The ones I've seen so far have been quite 
well done.  (This is from Linda Rief's book).  So I'm into marking again -- 
with a vengeance.  Our report cards have to go out next week and our team 
hasn't even figured out the format for it yet.  (Our New Years resoolution is 
to be more organized).

As for the reading program, I'm still in a bit of a tizzy.  The kids really 
HATE the reading logs and I can't say as I blame them.  My own personal 
reading log has become more of a journal of everything from y reading to my 
personal thoughts.  SO I htink I should allow the kids to expand theirs.  I 
really don't know.  It seems to be a failure -- yet I need some way of making 
the  kids accountable for their reading.  Any suggestios would be greatly 
appreciated.

Are you interested in setting up a penpal thing between our students?  I am 
connected with a teacher in WInnipeg but that only takes care of 22 of our 
students.  I could use five or six more (since I have another teacher in 
Toronto on the line as well).  ANyway, this isn't an electronic thing -- it's 
snail mail.  But if you know of a way to allow our students to communicate on 
the modem I owuld be interested in that as well.  

Anyway, Happy New Year, kid!  All the best for '93.

John

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