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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Date: 4 Oct 1992 17:45:17 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Oct4.183112.15428@reed.edu> 
nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) has the nerve to
flame me for skewering a Lacto-Ovo-Vegetarian:
| In article <1amhhuINNkgl@mizar.usc.edu> 
| adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
|
| >Yes, that's right folks, pen those cows up into those tiny-teeny
| >little pens and feed 'em that synthetic hay, and hook those cups
| >up to their udders and milk 'em and milk 'em and milk 'em until
| >they're dead, but don't you *dare* think about eating them.

Is that not what happens in the commercial dairy industry?
And please note that I didn't write about the chicken industry
which makes Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle" read like a children's
fairy tale.

| >Yes, indeed, I just *love* those vegetarians with a conscience.

| Fuck you, Arne. Do you think there is some merit in offending random
| people by insulting what they feel strongly about, or are you just
| practicing your role as soc.motss.bitchy.queen?

The latter, of course.  But I do wonder at this ability to
overlook how badly animals are treated in the egg and dairy
businesses, but *not* overlook the brutality involved in
the meat industry.  

And I'm glad you went out and rallied against the assholes.

Arne
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: sbgreene@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Steven Greene)
Subject: Phil Donahue lives in an alternate universe
Summary: He has strange ideas about the state of Domestic Partnership laws
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:20:07 GMT

On yesterday's (9/28) Donahue show about the lesbian wedding announcement
in Austin, Texas, Donahue showed a map of the U.S. with the title,
"Domestic Partnership Recognition in the United States."  The map
indicated that the following states have laws recognizing domestic
partnerships: Hawaii, Washington, California, Minnesota, Wisconsin,
Michigan, Texas, New York, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode
Island (I think--it's too small too tell well), New Jersey, Maryland,
Delaware (I think--same problem as RI), and Florida.  He gave no
explanation of what this meant.  Anyone have any ideas what he was
referring to?

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Huzza! she spurns the Northern scum!
She breathes! she burns! she'll come! she'll come!    (Time to change
Maryland! My Maryland!                           the state song, no?)

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:45:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.133035.9198@hemlock.cray.com> steven@cray.com (Steven Levine) writes:
>
>The real reason I like ironing, though, is that I associate it
>with the comfort of cotton.  I have never been able to wear
>polyester next to my skin, and all though elementary school
>and jr. high I displayed a geeky cotton t-shirt under my
>school shirts.  I couldn't have told you why at the time, but
>I knew that I couldn't stand just the outer shirt alone.
>Shirts then (late 60's/early 70's) nearly always contained
>polyester, much more so than now (though there is still often
>a problem finding all-cotton children's clothes).
>
Sigh. I knew others shared this fetish with me. I began buying
tailored and off-the-rack cotton dress shirts many years ago
and now I have over two hundred such shirts-- 50, 80 & 120 thread
broadcloth, oxfords in egyptian cotton, linen suit shirts, collar
tab, straight collar, spread collar and even dress shirts with
detachable collars. I only wear half a dozen of them regularly,
and only a few are patterned. I have one 120 thread in thread-
dyed cotton that I had made at Gieve and Hawke's two years ago
that I have only worn once; I am less anxious more satisfied
by laying it on a clean surface and stroking the fabric. I

>Then came 1972 or so, and cotton shirts from India became popular
>even unto the far reaches of suburbia.  *These* shirts I could wear
>alone.  These shirts my mother complained about my buying, because she
>had to iron them.  But I had found clothing that did not give
>me itchy red bumps around my neck and a general sense of
>unpleasant prickliness around my torso.  So I ironed them myself.
>
Ironing is meditative and a boon satisfying act. Even so, I send
my fanciest shirts to a wonderful French laundry near the Beverly
Center. They have never frayed a color or lost a button.

>> I appreciate cotton, but for a nice crisp white
>>shirt with a perfect collar (is it fashion?  Depends on who's
>>wearing it!           When I wear a white shirt, I WEAR it), there's
>>nothing like 35% poly - when the dryer stops, you pull it out,
>>give it a quick *SNAP*, hang it, and an hour later the blessed
>>thing has ironed itself!
>
I am cursed with the inability to be practical. I cannot even
bear to sit on polyester. If I am at a hotel, I always pack a
cotton sheet or coverlet. 

>And then, after two or three washings, you start to get little pills
>of fabric.  And no matter how many times you wash it, it never really
>gets soft and comfortable.
>
This might be said of modernity in general.


-- 
Howard Arthur Faye * Panglossian Acres * Box 7 * Littlerock, CA   93543
                         Fax: 805.944.5958
From: klotz@lclark.edu (Gretchen Klotz)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Fear of Success (was Re: Oregon poll)
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:54:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Oct6.215446.24090
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <1992Oct6.193709.25481@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>
>Shyeeah. Let's lighten up, everyone. Measure 9 is going down in
>flames.

Andrew (and everyone else who feels that way) -

The defeat of Measure 9 *must* be treated as a rumor until *every single
vote* is counted.  We in Oregon are in this trouble today because we were
complacent and confident 2 and 4 years ago that we could defeat the prior
OCA initiatives.  We were wrong both times.  The people in Concord are in
the same boat because of their complacency and confidence that the fundies
couldn't win.  And the people in Colorado are up against it too. 

We must not *ever* underestimate our enemy.  It is fear, and fear is
formidable, especially when it's as well organized as the OCA.

We are not afraid of success.  We are terrified of defeat.  Polls lie. 
People lie to polls.  People vote however they damn feel on election day,
regardless of what they say publicly.  The OCA will see those polls as a
challenge, and will get more money from Pat Robertson et al so they can
redouble their efforts.  We cannot afford to sit back. 

So please, I beg you, do not spread the rumor that OR:9 will be defeated
until it actually, decisively has been.  We'll know November 4th, I hope
and pray.  Continue to support us in whatever ways you can, and guard
against the California incarnation (TFV?). 

- Gretchen
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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: astrology and YOU
Date: 4 Oct 92 07:17:26 GMT
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Oct3.185205.10319@uoft02.utoledo.edu> gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart) writes:
>Would anyone like me to explain why I still have a unopened package of
>bungee cords still sitting in the trunk of my car?

the only question that comes to mind for me is:

why is it still unopened?
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/       This is the time, and this is the record of the time
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Faggots
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 10:27:25 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <Bv8738.7oz@queernet.org>

Roger B. A. Klorese, who maybe didn't see the article to which my
article was a reply, and so maybe doesn't realize that *my* article
is a commentary on A Certain Straight Boy's failure to acknowledge
the existence of Women Queers, asks:

>In article <66497@cup.portal.com>, Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling)
>writes:
>|> Oh, Melinda, 'fess up.  You know way down deep in your heart that only
>|> other men can satisfy you, you big butch guy you.

>Other than whom?

>ROGER B.A. KLORESE

Whom, indeed!

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: enough already.
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:28:03 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Oct1.160636.3096@PacBell.COM>
rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:

>          Heiajoho!  Grane!
>          Gruess deinen Herren!
>          Siegfried!  Siegfried!  Sieh!
>          Selig gruesst dich dein Weib!

Don't be misled, however, into thinking Siegfried is married
to the horse.  He isn't; he's married to dull-wittedness on
a scale that even Wagner couldn't obscure, despite many
hours of trying.

Trying what, you ask?  Just guess!

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 19:16:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.064139.26133@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>Tim doesn't know how sweet you are in person, George, so he only
>has your network persona to go on.  So he trangressed the bounds
>of good taste in making such a gratuitous insult.

Rather more to the point: I never would have made such a gratuitous
insult had the target been less predictable.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You are just naive and repressed because
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  penis envy is here and it's now and it's
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  all around you." -- Neal C. Wickham
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Sir Justin the Clueless
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 06:09:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.134629.13260@fig.citib.com> glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:

>I have the email from people
>who think like me but are kept from posting by the cabal.

There is _no_ email.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You are just naive and repressed because
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  penis envy is here and it's now and it's
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  all around you." -- Neal C. Wickham
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Sir Justin the Clueless
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:44:27 GMT


In article <BvBt37.IoJ@unix.amherst.edu>, twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep28.134629.13260@fig.citib.com> glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
|> 
|> >I have the email from people
|> >who think like me but are kept from posting by the cabal.
|> 
|> There is _no_ email.

But there is!  I just got mail telling me that they'd
pumped 20,000 gallons of rancid sperm out of....

I shouldn't, it was *private* email.



-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: emcmanus@kaa.gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Re: Extended Sex
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:28:53 GMT

aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca writes:
>It was not unlike being inside some fantastically  
>complicated automation with rows and rows of identical mechanisms all  
>doing something simultaneously.

Sounds like Eternity.  Did you get there in a lift?

,
Eamonn Patrick McManus
a crank's panic momentum
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants)
Subject: Re: gay science fiction (and a moment of shamelessness...)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:27:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.174614.20793@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.163238.19514@netcom.com> stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants) writes:
>>>Really?  It made me swear off screwing anyone with a tail, furry ears
>>>and a first name with an apostrophe in it.
>>
>>Hmm......Where DO you go to meet people?  
>
>Last time I checked, the Lone Star and My Place were on Planet Earth... :-)

Just barely. The Lone Star is the Faux Outlaw Fun Ride (One E ticket) in some
strange Disneyworld. My Place is too dark to do anything but spill your beer
and say Excuse me to the folks you stepped on.
From: bfbear@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Toys 'r' Us
Keywords: Whee!
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:22:33 GMT

thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:

> I know! I just bought my first sex toys a week or so ago (nothing big,
> just a cockring and a buttplug. Practice, practice, practice!!!), and I
> realized after I left the place that I wasn't embarassed to make my
> purchases at all.

I have also discovered (for easing embarrassment) a company called the "Xandria
Collection" (they advertise in Utne Reader of all places), their prices
are reasonable (well actually, I have never comparisson (sp?) shopped), and
they ship Very descreetly, and send the most bizzarre and interesting
catalogues....
Penn (who has been considering a few thing at Mohawk Leather (the leather
shop at the Eagle)

(and yes, I bought a toy thru the Xandia Collection....intersting.)
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: KATU POLL  10/5/92
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:45:04 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) wrote:
>In article <1992Oct6.052242.2790@lclark.edu> snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass) writes:
> 
>[wonderful news! Hooray! This is the first poll I've actually *heard*
>about, and oh honey is it encouraging.]
> 
>>KATU 5 p.m. newscast had a pollester poll for Measure 9.
> 
>I'm dying to hear details about this. I heard secondhand that it was a
>professional poll of 600+ people "likely to vote" in Portland.
> 
>While I'm skeptical of polls in general, this just made my evening.
> 
>>Measure 9: Oppose 62%, For 33%, U.D. 5%

Be happy.  Don't let up.  Keep working hard.  Don't let this information
give you too much confidence.

You're above the magic 60% which we like to see (people lie in these polls
so they don't show their bigotry).  We lost in Ft. Lauderdale two years
ago when polls were showing us winning by a much smaller margin.

That said...

YIPPEE!!!  YAHOO!!!

>you're all invited to the party if we win.

Can't wait!

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
From: hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: gay science fiction
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:12:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: rigel.1992Sep30.221201.2104
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <BvEu1u.C7G@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> phi@sage.cc.purdue.edu (The Dark Sage) writes:
>I like science fictoin novels, especially cyber-punk genres.  Does anyone
>know of any good books in these lines that have gay characters, preferably
>main characters?
>
    Ann Maxwell wrote a series of books back in the late 70's-early 80's
    that had gay characters.  Wasn't cyber-punk though, more like a
    feel-good soft-sm/porn kind of nightmare hybridization.  I didn't
    care too much for them, but others did.  I don't recall the
    names exactly but _Dancer's Luck_ is close enough to one
    of them.

    F.M. Busbee had a pair of gay male characters in his Rissa
    Kerguelen books.  Again, not cyber-punk, and much of the
    mainstay of the books seemed to be fucking and eating.
    The characters were as interesting and likeable as any
    of Busbee's (which is, to say, not very); he dealt with
    them directly and honestly.

    I can think of several negative uses of "gay" characters;
    Barbara Hambly (who provides an excuse for the negativity
    in a forward) and Katherine Kurtz (who offers no rationale)
    come to mind.

    Wayne

    
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: TERMS OF ENDEARMENT
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 13:43:52 GMT


In article <Bv36xs.79t@hpuerca.atl.hp.com>, mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
|> In <1992Sep24.023818.8960@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
|> 
|> [ lots of good stuff about addressing couples ]
|> 
|> I don't know about the rest of you, but to our friends my lover and I
|> have one name:  "BobbyandMike".  No pauses between (what were formerly)
|> separate words, no distinction for who might be Bobby or who could be
|> Mike -- just the single word "BobbyandMike".

My friends Robert and Raul are R'nR.  

-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: pink@Rosie.UH.EDU (Pink is Slack)
Subject: Re: TERMS OF ENDEARMENT
Reply-To: pink@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 08:06:22 GMT

Baby?  I called you Baby?
 
Geesh, its' a wonder you didn't have me shot, nelson, honey!

FYI- I call NOBODY "Baby" anymore....
 
 
wish I'd called you "Love".........

-- Jay
--
   /\     '       Pink@Jetson.UH.edu          Box 66231 Houston 77266-6231      
  /_/.    `                          
 /  //\/< '  Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans. --Lennon

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu (cbe)
Subject: Re: enough already.
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 03:38:23 GMT

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>In article <1992Oct3.175134.2165@unlinfo.unl.edu> cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu (cbe) writes:
>>>the now aging, but never-surpassed performance
>>>of Elgar's Cello Concerto by du Pre'.
>>which never fails to leave me in a profoundly elegaric mood.
>>Well, jeff, I suspect neither of them were in to gastropods although 
>>certain Helicidae accompanied with much butter, garlic and heat were 
>>very likely into them.

>Sounds more like an elegarlic mood.

Oi!  That makes me feel allium choked up.

Colburn Eigen                        H|u> = E|u>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@vccsouth18.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: My Very Own Out List
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:20:10 GMT

stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants) writes:

>In article <cdjz7rc@rpi.edu> buckmr@vccsouth24.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>>stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants) writes:
>>
>>>>>Speak for yourself, Ron. Paglia must be the most misunderstood person
>>>>>on Earth today.
>>>>MISUNDERSTOOD? Please read Mim Udovitch's review of her latest work in the
>>>>VILLAGE VOICE this week. As well as another review in NEWSWEEK last week.
>>>>I think people understand Camille quite well.
>>
>>>Which is the same as reading her books on your own, eh Ron?
>>It's about as close as I want to get to La Camille when there are SLIGHTLY more
>>important things to do, like working to get Clinton-Gore-Abrams elected.
>>

>Well, if you haven't read her, you'll have to forgive some of us for not taking
>you seriously on the subject. 
Sure. Whatever. I forgive you. Yawn.

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.  ``D.C. in 1993!''
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
"I will never apologize for the United States of America, ever. I don't care
what the facts are." -- George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the USA.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rhiann@carson.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld)
Subject: Re:I know, I know, it's serious 
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:50:51 GMT

Thanks for reminding me.

My girlfriend was very sick last year, spent 3 days in a coma, whole
family around the bed, her twitching, not seeing us; all very scary.

A month later, she's recuperating at home, very bored, and makes a car
tape for me.  I nearly hit another car as the first song started...
"Girl friend in a coma, I know..."

Sandy
--pale--bitter--stout--
From: drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Surnames (was: TERMS OF ENDEARMENT)
Date: 30 Sep 92 07:17:16 GMT
Reply-To: drp@dosbears.uucp
Organization: DosBears

Jess Anderson writes:
>
>"Pakins?"
>I don't think so.
>"Pakoots?"
>Unh-uh.
>Rints.
>Roots.
>
>Dose guys over dere.

But dey can't be dosbears, dat's taken....

--
         David R. Preston   drp@dosbears.uucp dosbears@netcom.com
              Information gladly given but safety requires
               the avoidance of unnecessary conversation.
            D. R. Preston 584 Castro St. #614 SF CA 94114 USA
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