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From: gambit@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Remy LeBeau)
Subject: Re: Cardassians first appearance on STTNG?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 01:33:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.222517.5338@mksol.dseg.ti.com> rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.160242.4466@wam.umd.edu>, myleslee@next02pg2.wam.umd.edu (Alan Brady Ward) writes:
>|> In article <1992Dec15.183659.45665@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>  
>|> baxter@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>|> > Now that we are seeing more of the Cardassians, I must admit that I
>|> > don't remember the first time they were introduced in STTNG.  
>|> > 
>|> > Can someone refresh my memory and tell me the episode that this was
>|> > in so I can pull out the tape and see how they were introduced and
>|> > depicted at that time.
>|> > 
>|> > Thanks.
>|> > 
>|> > 
>|> > 
>|> It was an episode involving a war between the Cardassians and some other  
>|> race.  Maybe the big E was sent in to mediate the peace or something like  
>|> that.
>|> 
>|> I can't tell you much more because I would only remember exact details if  
>|> I saw the show again.
>|> 
>|> Al
>The first time I remember *seeing* a Cardassian was the episode where
>Picard had to stop another Starfleet captain from attacking Cardassian
>ships.  O'Brien was the hero of the episode as he beamed himself over
>to the other ship and stopped the captain (his old commander) from
>destroying any more Cardassians. 
>
"The Wounded."  The next time they appeared was in "Ensign Ro."

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From: pmichals@teal.csn.org (Paul Michals)
Subject: Re: Chain of Command - This week? - DENVER
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:34:46 GMT

The CoC I episode will air 6:00pm Sat (12/19/92) in Denver.


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From: rjg@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Robert J. Granvin)
Subject: Re: AIDS and Klingons
Organization: School of Statistics, University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:06:17 GMT

>>        Two things about the Next Generation have been
>>bothering me. (1) No explanation about why the original Klingons
>>look different from the new ones (2) No episode dealing with AIDS.
>>Well, why not have a story dealing with both:
> 
>  [... Another Klingon appearance rationalization deleted :-) ...]

As far as Klingon appearance, they changed in the movies, so the change
pre-dates TNG.  I don't worry about TNG not explaining something that
wasn't explained nearly a century before in the timeline... But if you
have to, blame Kirk and crew for not explaining it... :-)

On the AIDS issue, I guess I have to ask: "Why?"

It seems likely that AIDS will be a epidemic relegated to history in the
same way we treat the Bubonic Plague and Polio(*).

(*) Yes - I realize there are still the occasional cases, but for all
practical purposes they are wiped out, and with continued improvements
in medical knowledge, they will be - as very likely will be AIDS before
several hundred years pass...

-- 
// Robert J. Granvin                                         rjg@stat.umn.edu
// School of Statistics - University of Minnesota        System Administrator
// ``One of the `right' people.''
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From: danwood@netcom.com (Daniel J Wood)
Subject: Re: DS9 on KBHK, San Francisco
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:24:35 GMT

brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:

>The only station in Madison, WI, that isn't in stereo is the ABC station.
>The Fox station is definately in stereo.

Actually, TNG is *NOT* on FOX !!!!!

It's syndicated...it just happens by coincidence that many stations that have
recently become FOX were carrying TOS, so they got first dibs at TNG. And
our Fox station (KTVU) is cool enough to be Stereo....
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From: vincent@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Victor W. Wong)
Subject: Show Us the Enterprise-B and E!
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 09:07:22 EST

There is one major problem with debuting the Enterprise 1701-E.
According to the TNG Technical Manual, the life span of a Galaxy-class
starship is 100 years.  Thus, the Enterprise Model E would be debuting
around the 25th century--and thus would be more likely commanded by
Colonel Wilma Deering (who, after all, does outrank Buck Rogers).
Destroying Enterprise-D will do no good either, as the replacement
E will in all likelihood be a Galaxy-class ship.
======================================================================
                            VICTOR WONG
                     vincent@micor.ocunix.on.ca
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            "Closed minds lead short lives."--Anonymous
======================================================================
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Galaxy-class Starships
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:00:49 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <13404@bnr-rsc.UUCP> coop7z52@bnr.ca (Rahim Pira) writes:
>	There was also another Galaxy-class starship in the episode
>"Conspiracy", captained by Picard's fried.  Unfortunately, the ship also blew
>up, causing the Enterprise to return to Earth.

Are you referring to the USS Horatio, which was referred to in that episode as
an Ambassador-class vessel?

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
( Coming soon to a Massachusetts near you! )

"Go?  Where are we going?"
"Where they went."
"Suppose they went nowhere?"
"Then, this will be your big chance to get away from it all."
			- McCoy and Kirk; Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan
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From: gambit@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Remy LeBeau)
Subject: Re: chain of command...?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:54:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.3208.17227@dosgate> "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com> writes:
>This week's repeat was Man of the People.  However, I forget to check
>what the promo was for the next episode!  I don't trust me TV guide
>because I remember it screwed up with The Game last year...  My TV guide
>still says that Relics is the next episode.  Please oh PLEASE someone
>confirm this or not!  Is it going to be Relics or Chain of Command next
>week?

Evertone here seems to ne saying that it's Chain of Command.  Vidiot's
updated schedule says that it will be, as well.  However, when I watched
the second run of the repeat of "Counselor Troi gets old and then suddenly
gets young again" last night, they showed previews for Relics.  Now I
don't know what to believe.  I guess I'll turn it on tomorrow anyway. :)


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From: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise)
Subject: Re: Who is Ronny Cox?
Originator: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:59:28 GMT

From article <sorensen.724542253@help.cc.iastate.edu>, by sorensen@iastate.edu (Jeffrey T. Sorensen):
> For some reason, I cannot think of who Ronny Cox (playing Captain Jelico)
> is?  I have not seen the CoC episode yet, obviously.  Since I am going
> back to my hometown over Christmas (no FOX station) I wont see it till
> I return in January either.
> 
> What part did Ronny Cox play in Robocop, Total Recall, etc?

	I'm awful with remembering the names of parts, but Ronny Cox is the
ultimate "Prickman".

	In Robocop, he was the PrickUnderling (under the president) who
called for the Robocop program.

	In Total Recall he was the PrickPresident who didn't want to start
up the Martian's atmosphere making machine, either out of fear or 
greed (After seeing the movie 5-6 times, even though I'd like to believe
the latter, the movie points to the former).

	And of course, now he's Captain "Prick" Jellico...

 Ronny Cox - a Prick for all seasons.

 TTYL
 Chris

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From: s_perera@iastate.edu (Sunil M Perera)
Subject: Re: "what about our OTHER friends" (minimal spoiler)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 03:29:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.082759.15047@netcom.com> obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien) writes:
>All these messages, what could the admiral have meant by "other"
>which "other" friends,
>how to *you* interpret this, how I interpret this...
>&c.
>&c.
>
>**  DON'T ANY OF YOU PEOPLE HAVE VCRs????  ***

 "other" = CARDASSIANS!

the little tan man

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From: colesa@spot.colorado.edu (Adam Coles)
Subject: Re: Cardassians first appearance on STTNG?
Organization: Computing & Network Services
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:16:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.183659.45665@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>,
baxter@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> 
> Now that we are seeing more of the Cardassians, I must admit that I
> don't remember the first time they were introduced in STTNG.  
> 
> Can someone refresh my memory and tell me the episode that this was
> in so I can pull out the tape and see how they were introduced and
> depicted at that time.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
The episode was called "The Wounded" and it had the captain of a Nebula
class starship, a former captain of Chief O'Brien, destroying several
Cardassian ships he was convinced were carrying supplies of war, without
orders.  They apparently were building a "scientific" base within arms
reach of three Federation sectors.  Enterprise was sent to stop the
renegade captain, whose name I cannot
recall.
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From: dsk@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Daniel Katz)
Subject: Re: William Shatner's Tek World
Reply-To: dsk@nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, USA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:12:24 GMT

Has anyone actually read the book?  It is one of the poorest examples of
writing in any genre that I've read.  I fully believe Shatner wrote it all
himself, just from it's lack of any redeeming value as a novel.

Dan
-- 
Dan Katz                                                       dsk@nwu.edu
Dept. of Electrical Engineering                             1(708)491-8887
Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, 60208                E pur si muove
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From: Cindy_Bale@net.com (Cindy Bale)
Subject: Re: What is DS9 going to be about?  Any details known?
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:24:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.003526.22691@netcom.com>, noring@netcom.com (Jon
Noring) wrote:
> 
> The title says it all.  What will DS9 be all about - similarities, differences
> and relationship (story-line-wise) to TNG and TOS.
> 
> Inquiring minds want to know.
> 
> Jon Noring
> 
> =============================================================================

We watched the satellite feed from last night on tape today at work!  We
are so lucky!  The "Star Trek Deep Space Nine" series is set on a space
station that orbits a planet in the outer reaches of space.  The commander
is a single parent whose wife's death was Captain Jean-Luc Picard's fault
when he was a Borg.  The first officer is a former terrorist.  The
bartender is a ferengi (sp?).

The chief operations officer is O'Brien, promoted from being transporter
chief on the Enterprise, and moved with his family. The space station is
described as having been built by aliens and not up to star fleet
standards, so there is always something that needs to be fixed.  

Another crew member is a "trill" - half humanoid/half worm!  

The action in the series is said to come from outside the space station,
but the space station is right on a worm hole, so presumably there could be
some fast space travel by crew members, too.  The space station was also
described as much larger that the Enterprise, since it stays in orbit and
doesn't have to travel at high speeds.  

The makeup process was briefly shown on the broadcast.  I think that we can
expect the bar to resemble that famous Star Wars bar.

It looks highly promising.  The producer wants to make a show that Gene
would have been proud of.

Cindy Bale
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: do we need rec.arts.startrek.dsn?
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:10:27 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <tom.724543217@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu> tom@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Tom McCain) writes:
>hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose) writes:
>: Disagree. "rec.arts.startrek.current" was created so there wouldn't be a
>: "tos" and "tng" group. "current" covers "tos" movies as well as "tng". I

>This is true.  However, if there were a group for TOS, TNG, DSN it
>would be easier to manage the reading of all of it.  For example, if a
>group for TOS existed I probably wouldn't subscribe to it.  For me TOS
>is the epitome of boredom.  It's not that I don't like it, but more
>that I'm tired of watching it.  So I'd rather not hear it rehashed
>again and again ....

On the other hand, only a very small fraction of articles in all r.a.s groups
deal with Classic Star Trek.

>: don't see why dsn shouldn't fall under "current". Perhaps tags on message

>Well my reasoning is this.  If I don't read news once an hour the
>amount of news in this group gets out of hand.  Consequently I'm sure
>I miss things I'd rather read!

Hmmm... I *almost never* have this problem.  And I've only been reading news
about three or four times a week for the last half a year or so.  I wonder why
that is?

For that matter, I only read a small fraction of the articles posted to any
one group.  And I *still* don't seem to miss things I want to read, except
very, very rarely.  (Arguably, maybe I don't know that they're there.  But if
it's something which I *never find out about* then it's probably not really
important enough for me to care much.)

>				And it's not a matter of laziness.
>It's really just a matter of I have other things to do besides read
>news all day.

So do I.  And I don't have these problems.  I have no problem keeping
different subject lines separate.

>I vote for a separate group/s.  However, I also think there should be
>a brief trial period to be sure the new show is around a few months
>later. 

I vote for keeping it all in one group.  Especially since the crossposting
would probably be prodigious.

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
( Coming soon to a Massachusetts near you! )

The Trekkie who doesn't own a VCR.
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From: svanegmo@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Stephen Van Egmond)
Subject: Star Trek Drinking Game?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:51:11 GMT

If anyone should happen to have this, or know where I could find it, it would be
most appreciated.

EMail to save bandwidth.  Thanks!
From: southpaw@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Don Agneta)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Official Dorm-Rec Review of "Chain of Command -1" (spoilers)
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:06:19 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

Spoiler Ahead


I agree totally with the dorm rec review. As I was in the military on board
nuclear subs in the engineering department I almost puked when I heard
Geordi complain that they wouldn't get any sleep if they made the ship battle 
ready. Wake up Geordi!!!! You're going to war !!!

Jelico acted like a real captian should, especially one who is taking his
crew into war. Running drills, giving orders which he expects to be followed
not questioned and not relating to his crew like a bigg papa teddy bear is
how the real military is run. Granted we may argure that the Feds are not
military, but in their situation they had better well be ready for it.

I think Jelico gave a fresh look at how a star ship should be run, Picard
is great and alot of things can be accomplished when a crew is devoted to its
captain but Picard has just been to much of a daddy and to little of a captian. 
Perhaps after/if Picard is saved he will have a different attitude towards
battle readiness.
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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: ST: VII - Horror of horrors (depending on your view...)
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 17:19:40 GMT

v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:


>>>A friend is spreading a rumor to me that I'm wondering if anoyone can  
>>>confirm.  According to him Paramount does not like to end series on an odd  
>>>number, so a ST:VIII is almost a given.  Is this a true Paramountism?

>     Yes, Howard, a multi-billion dollar industry and a multi-million
>     dollar corporation within that industry, boasting the most 
>     succssful film franchise since Indiana Jones (also from them)
>     plans strategy based on a like or dislike of "ending on odd
>     numbers."  Grow a brain.  

Hmmm, can you say joke??

Grow a sense of humor. Sheez...

			CtB
>     "The Cult of the Dead Jew!!  The Cult of the Dead Jew!!"
>      -A Retrospective on Christianity, by TOM (CHICKEN).
>       (Scott Gorcey, V075Q5FR@UBVMSB.CC.BUFFALO.EDU))
--
Oh, I hate tryin' to be witty in these things!	   |
So I'm even going to try. And if you don't like it,|
Tough! 	(Thank you had have a nice day)	         |    cboerm48@calvin.edu
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From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Subject: Promos for: CHAIN OF COMMAND Pt.2 (#237) +DSN
Organization: Utopia Planitia Starfleet Yards, Mars
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 11:00:09 GMT


In accordance with the new schedule, promos for the next new ST:TNG episode
"Chain of Command Pt.2" (#237) were released today.  The actual program will
air starting on Saturday, December 19th.  Following this will be four reruns,
which is the perfect time to premiere the first episodes of DEEP SPACE NINE.
This also gives Paramount and the local stations plenty of time to hype up
the new series (such as with the DSN promo included in Chain of Command).
The next new TNG episode should be "Ship In A Bottle", out on January 23rd.
For once, such a long stretch of reruns won't matter that much, since we 
will have ST:DSN around to fill the gap...!


Here is the promo copy (announcer):

HELD CAPTIVE AS A PRISONER OF WAR, PICARD MUST ENDURE 
THE CRUELEST PUNISHMENT IMAGINABLE...

  [ Picard (in shackles) is escorted into a room by two Cardassians ]
  [ A shirtless Picard is tortured by a Cardassian with a hand weapon ]

  [ Riker and Jelico in an Enterprise corridor ]

 Riker:   You can not just abandon him.
 Jelico:  He's gone.

WILL TORTURE LEAVE HIM A FORGOTTEN CASUALTY OF WAR?

  [ Cardassian hits Picard in the face ]

  [ Riker and Jelico *yelling* at each other ]

 Riker:   I can't believe you're willing to sacrifice 
          Captain Picard's life as a negotiation tactic!!

 Jelico:  Are you questioning my judgment, Commander?!

...OR CAN HE SURVIVE THE MOST BRUTAL TEST OF COURAGE IN HIS LIFE?

  [ Picard is hung in the air by his wrists ]

  [ Picard sitting in a chair being interrogated ]

Picard (yelling/crying):  You cannot hurt me!

  [ Cardassian activates weapon; Picard falls out of chair onto the floor ]  

...ON STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION.


Short promo:
  Captain Picard faces a shocking test of cruelty as a 
  prisoner of war, on Star Trek: The Next Generation.


DEEP SPACE NINE promo:
  At the edge of the final frontier, it waits...
  For an untested crew to begin an unprecedented journey.
  But most of all, it waits for you.
  Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.  
  In January the wait will be over.

-{ Dean Adams }-
From: pauls@tcom.stc.co.uk (Paul Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Inner Light on Video ??
Date: 14 Dec 1992 15:38:46 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd., Oakleigh Road South, New Southgate, London, N11 1HB
Distribution: uk
NNTP-Posting-Host: bnsgs170.bnr.co.uk
Keywords: Picard, Flutes, Probes

In article <1gi1t2INNdh0@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk>, pauls@tcom.stc.co.uk (Paul Scott) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec10.162643.12976@gdr.bath.ac.uk>, ccspjs@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Pete J Suters) writes:
|> |> 
|> |>   To all R.A.S.C readers in the UK :
|> |> 
|> |> Has anyone spotted "The Inner Light" episode on video in any
|> |> shops yet?  I have been after this episode for a while, but there
|> |> don't seem to have been any new releases on video for a while.
|> |> Does anyone know when this episode is likely to come out?
|> |> 
|> This episode won't be released until March next year, providing the releases
|> stick at 2 tapes (4 episodes) per month...
|> 
|> December: The Masterpiece Society, Conundrum
|>           Power Play, Ethics
|> 
|> January: The Outcast, Cause and Effect
|>          The First Duty, Cost of Living
|> 
|> February: The Perfect Mate, Imaginary Friend
|>           I Borg, The Next Phase
|> 
|> March: The Inner Light, Time's Arrow
|> 
|> and thats season 5...
|> 

Heres something different, I'm replying to my own post. This is because I've
just discovered that there is no December release and that the releases above
will run one month later. So Inner Light won't be around until April.

Strange that there should be no release until after Christmas...missing out
on some sales there I would think...

Yours, Bummer we have to wait another month....

Paul.

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From: ternent@oima2.oim.uiuc.edu (John Ternent)
Subject: Chain of Command in Champaign-Urbana (no spoilers)
Organization: Office for Information Management, University of Illinois
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:27:39 GMT

Good old Fox 55/27 WRSP/WCCU (Springfield/Urbana) strikes again.  All last 
evening they showed the promos for Relics.  Then, when "Willow" was over (at 
9:30), the voice-over was talking about the 75-year-old wreck and the person 
trapped in the transporter beam... "Coming up next, on Star Trek: The Next 
Generation." I _almost_ left to run some errands, but by the time I was 
ready to leave, they showed the intro to the show... and it was "Chain of 
Command!"  Way to go, Fox! Possible explanations? Maybe "Chain" surprised 
them or something.. "Hey! Where did _this_ show come from?"

John Ternent
j-ternent@uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: A Good Captain
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:37:42 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Dec14.103941.14075@gdr.bath.ac.uk> ccspjs@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Pete J Suters) writes:

>  Personally, though, I would prefer to see the new captain of
>the Enterprise to be non-human.  I can't think of any instances
>where Starfleet captains haven't been human (mostly male, and
>always with American accents! :-)  )

Picard has an American accent????

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