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From: WBELL@NOMVS.LSUMC.EDU (Bill Bell)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet
Subject: Re:Re:Re: Remote Print
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 15:47 CST
Organization: Info-Multinet<==>Vmsnet.Networks.Tcp-Ip.Multinet Gateway
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>>>> I have setup a STREAM remote printer to a terminal server port with
>>>> CONFIGURE /PRINTERS as per the System Administrators' Guide  (Multi
>>>> V3.1 Rev A; VAX/VMS 5.4-2).  The problem is that it doesn't work wi
>>>> all my software.  When I send to device NLP0: with a certain packag
>>>> programs it acts as if something is going across but nothing comes
>>>> the terminal server port.
>>>>
>>>> The program package has worked virtually flawlessly with all manner
>>>> of spooled devices for six years, so I strongly suspect the deficie
>>>> is in MultiNet.  The package is a proprietary vendor product, so I
>>>> get at the source code to see what it is doing.  I haven't been abl
>>>> reproduce the problem with any programs I have written.  Support ha
>>>> recommended I air the problem here in hope that someone can help.

>>>     The best way to test this is to STOP/QUEUE/NEXT the MultiNet
>>> printer queue, print the file, and examine what you have in the
>>> queue (the entry and the contents of the file). Then get a network
>>> analyzer running, START/QUEUE the queue, and see what comes out of
>>> VAX.

>>   Thanks for the response Ken.  I have already tried stopping the qu
>> Things really act strange in that situation. Nothing makes it to the
>> queue and I can't find that anything was spooled anywhere.  Further,
>> the software package no longer acts like it's trying to send output,
>> i.e., there is no pause on the terminal.  There appears no use in ev
>> setting up a Sniffer trace.

>     I spoke with Bruce Miller (who spoke with you on the phone a few
> days ago). I suggest you try setting something like LPA0 to spool to
> a MultiNet queue. The NLP0 device is only a placeholder that you can
> SET DEVICE/SPOOL; it really doesn't matter if you use it, or a differe
> device. Maybe MUMPS cares...
>
>                                                                    Ken

  Thanks Ken.  Your suggestion works perfectly!  You just made my life
a whole lot simpler.
                                                                  Bill
From: holdrege@dcv4kd.phs.com (Urban Surfer)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet
Subject: RE: VMS BACKUP over TCP/IP
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:31:22 EST
Organization: Info-Multinet<==>Vmsnet.Networks.Tcp-Ip.Multinet Gateway
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>MX%"busma@TGV.COM" 25-JAN-1993 14:14:19.30

>	Have you look at MULTINET RMTALLOC? Does the remote machine
>	have an RMT server?

I should have specified that I was backing up to a save-set on a remote VMS
disk. Can MultiNet's RMT be made to work with a Files 11 disk? Or do I need to
continue to look further.

Matt
From: COMET@us.oracle.com (Comet)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet
Subject: What is the PC way of testing mail/network connectivity?
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 09:03:51 PST
Organization: Info-Multinet<==>Vmsnet.Networks.Tcp-Ip.Multinet Gateway
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On USEnet, there are test newsgroups (e.g. ba.test, misc.test) which are used
to test if a person's posts will make it out into the greater computropolis.

But where is a test mail address?  Is there some kind of mail-reflector or a
gateway to/from the test newsgroups or anything?  After all, not every site HAS
USEnet newsgroups.

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Hello,

I don't really have a problem, but consider this as a test.
We've just finished the installation of Multinet 3.1D on a VAX-3100
model 90, running VMS 5.5-2.
Thusfar without any problems, and now we're testing the functionality
of email and our Domain Name System.
So please send a reply on this mail.

Greetings in behave of the Systems and Network Management Group of
Geveke electronics b.v. - The Netherlands.

Wilfried Dudink


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From: DSROBERTS@BIIVAX.DP.BECKMAN.COM (Don Roberts)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet
Subject: Re: SLS and Multinet
Date: 21 Jan 1993 10:15:12 -0800
Organization: Info-Multinet<==>Vmsnet.Networks.Tcp-Ip.Multinet Gateway
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>>>Since I am looking for automatic backup software
>>>(under vax4200/3800 vms5.5 multinet3.1D, NO DECNET at all),
>>>I have been suggested that SLS (Storage Librarian System) from DEC is
>>>a really nice product which does everything from automatic scheduling,
>>>to keeping histories of which files are on which tapes. Is this product
>>>can be used in Multinet NFS environment? I think it might be helpful
>>>to get your recommendations before I talk to DEC sales representive.
>>We have no direct experience with it here at TGV;  you might try
>>posting this to Info-MultiNet and seeing if anyone there has some
>>suggestions.

>I have been involved with field tests of SLS ever since version 2.0 hit the
>stands years ago.  2.2 should be shipping now (at least, 2.2A is, I believe)
>and it has built-in support for RTF (Remote-Tape Facility) from Touch
>Technologies.  This allows remote tape drives to be seen on a local machine,
>but requires DECnet (can't do it with Multinet).

2.2a is on the January CONDIST

>The problem with using SLS and something like, RMTALLOCATE is that SLS likes to
>know lots of things about the tape drive you're using, and likes to be able to
>allocate a drive based on its device type.  As far as I know, this cannot be
>done using the RMT server process.

>However, you can configure SLS to use your allocation/backup procedures, and
>just have it do scheduling and history tracking.  This may be something you're
>interested in, and it (SLS) is very good at that.

We've used both SLS and it's evil twin*, TAPESYS (Software Partners/32, SLS was
derived from this product).  We even found the backup configuration files are
mostly cross compatible, so SLS hasn't deviated much.  I also haven't seen a
way to deal with RMT tapes, but it shouldn't have trouble with NFS.  We use it
with THRUWAY disks, and it has no problem seeing those, and we've used it with
several odd setups. There is much flexibility with the product and works quite
well.  We chose to go with TAPESYS because we feel a greater development effort
is being made by SP/32 than DEC is with SLS, and you get better support (IMHO).

I'd recommend a demo, but there is a GREAT deal of setup involved and you need
to be real serious if you want to do this.  It's definitely not a plug and play
product.

*This is an "in-joke" between me and the TAPESYS support people :-)

   Don Roberts                   Internet:  dsroberts@beckman.com
   Beckman Instruments, Inc.     Phone:     714/961-3029
   2500 Harbor Bl. Mailstop X-12 FAX:       714/961-3351
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   "Abortion isn't a 'choice', it's the slaughter of the innocent"
From: mcmahon@TGV.COM (Midnight at U Street Metro Station)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet
Subject: FWD: RE: Error Messages?
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 09:24:52 PST
Organization: Info-Multinet<==>Vmsnet.Networks.Tcp-Ip.Multinet Gateway
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(This was sent to Info-MultiNet-Relay)

>Also, if you have any thoughts, suggestions, or criticisms of TGV doc
>please send them to me as well.

You might want to include the following in your documentation:

If the TGV Multinet software has been acquired to replace another vendor's
product, the invocation of the SMTP mailer will probably be different.
For example,

       using old vendor's software:  WXYZ%"address", 
       using Multinet:               SMTP%"address".  

However, the change can be made transparent to the users by adding the 
following logical:

  $   DEFINE /SYSTEM /EXECUTIVE_MODE  WXYZ_MAILSHR  MULTINET:SMTP_MAILSHR

This will allow users to reply to mail received when the old software was
in place and to continue to use procedures and distribution lists that
have the old SMTP mailer invocation defined.  Transparency is vital to 
keeping the user community happy, which is vital to the career stability
of the support staff!

However, on the negative side, a BIG difference using the TGV Multinet
software is that only one address is allowed per SMTP%"address" field.
For example, 

  using old vendor's software:  WXYZ%"user1@address,user2@address", 
  using Multinet:               SMTP%"user1@address",SMTP%"user2@address".

Many other products allow multiple addresses and TGV's limitation has
caused us some grief.



Bob Schneider

Computer Support Services          ras@gv3.cacd.cr.rockwell.com
Computer Support Engineering       ras@131.198.128.53
Rockwell International             ras%29795.decnet@consort.rockwell.com
400 Collins Road NE  M/S 106-180   raschnei@crems.cr.rockwell.com
Cedar Rapids, IA  52498

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Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet
Subject: RE: Mail Problem
From: madison@TGV.COM (Matt Madison)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 11:34:12 PST
Organization: Info-Multinet<==>Vmsnet.Networks.Tcp-Ip.Multinet Gateway
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>A question about Internet mail and Multinet: Is there any way to set the return
>time on old undeliverable mail messages? A user (and a manager) of mine
>recently complained about learning 4 days later that his message didn't get
>through. He would prefer wait no longer than 24 hours. Is this a user settable
>variable? 

No, it's a system-wide setting.  The logical name that controls it is
MULTINET_SMTP_RETURN_INTERVAL; it's equivalence string should be a VMS
delta time value.   If you wanted to set the value to be one day, for
example, you would define it as follows:

    $ DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC MULTINET_SMTP_RETURN_INTERVAL "1 00:00:00.00"

-Matt


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From: busma@TGV.COM (Jeffrey D. Busma)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet
Subject: RE: VMS BACKUP over TCP/IP
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 14:14:59 PST
Organization: Info-Multinet<==>Vmsnet.Networks.Tcp-Ip.Multinet Gateway
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>I was wondering if anyone is doing VMS BACKUPs over an extended LAN using
>TCP/IP. I have started doing some remote backups lately and it's pretty slow
>using FAL. I am running VMS 5.5-2 and Multinet 3.1 (soon to be 3.2)
>
>I thought of (perhaps) doing a TELNET/CREATE hostname to create a NTY: and then
>backup to that device. Any comments or better solutions?
>
 
	Have you look at MULTINET RMTALLOC? Does the remote machine
	have an RMT server? 

					Jeff
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet
Subject: How come [UNKNOWN] in SHOW/ARP?
From: SYSCHIP@SRCL.SUNNYBROOK.UTORONTO.CA (Chip Campbell)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 9:21:15 -0500 (EST)
Organization: Info-Multinet<==>Vmsnet.Networks.Tcp-Ip.Multinet Gateway
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Here is a typical (abridged) output from MULT SHOW/ARP on my main server:

>MultiNet ARP table:
>Host Network Address                   Ethernet Address    Arp Flags
>--------------------                   ----------------    ---------
>[UNKNOWN] (IP 142.76.1.204)            00:00:C0:AE:95:58   Temporary
>[UNKNOWN] (IP 142.76.1.193)            00:00:C0:A6:94:58   Temporary
>ROBIN.SUNNYBROOK.UTORONTO.CA (IP 142.  AA:00:04:00:68:F0   Temporary
>SRRTR.SUNNYBROOK.UTORONTO.CA (IP 142.  AA:00:04:00:7D:F0   Temporary
>SRPC12.SUNNYBROOK.UTORONTO.CA (IP 142  00:00:C0:9B:25:1C   Temporary
>SRPC16.SUNNYBROOK.UTORONTO.CA (IP 142  00:00:C0:90:1A:2B   Temporary
>[UNKNOWN] (IP 142.76.1.194)            00:00:C0:44:94:58   Temporary
...etc

All of the [UNKNOWN] addresses are in fact perfectly well known, and are
decoded properly when I do MULT NSLOOK/TY=PTR xx.1.76.142.IN-ADDR.ARPA. So
how come SHOW/ARP isn't decoding them?  Is this a real problem or nothing to
worry about?  It doesn't really bug me, although it WOULD be useful if
[UNKNOWN] flagged, at a glance, hosts which really weren't in the DNS,
'cause that would mean I'd misconfigured something. 

Thanks,

Chip Campbell
Sunnybrook Health Science Centre (University of Toronto)
syschip@srcl.sunnybrook.utoronto.ca
From: SB_WDK@GEN.GETRONICS.NL
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet
Subject: Change directory in FTP Server.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:21:23 +0200 (CET)
Organization: Info-Multinet<==>Vmsnet.Networks.Tcp-Ip.Multinet Gateway
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Hello,

I've got a problem with our FTP Server. I want to use "cd .." to go back 
one directory, but it doesn't work. 
I've seen sites where it does work (also with MultiNet), so I want to know
how I can change this.
The point is, I've got some disappointed "dos" and "unix" users, who don't
even know what VMS is. (We are running MultiNet 3.1D)


Regards,
Wilfried Dudink


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Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet
Subject: Praablems with POP3
From: markp@yang.earlham.edu (Mark H Pearson)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:54:32 GMT
Organization: Earlham Computing Centre

1/27/92 Problems with POP3 with Multinet 3.1
I am using Nupop 1.03 on my PC which has performed flawlessly until today.
It sneezed on 44 messages in newmail. Here's the grimy story :

NUPop 1.0.3
DOS version              = 5.0
Win3 enhanced mode       = No
DesqView active          = No
TCP driver type          = Built-in NUTCP
Heap space available     = 58352
Virtual memory available = 1035233
Buffer space available   = 67376
TCPNew: OK
 found <yang.earlham.edu> in cache.TCPConnect:  OK
Leaving TCPConnect
Waiting for a line starting with a <+>
Error signalled if line starts with a <->
<--"+OK YANG.EARLHAM.EDU MultiNet POP3 Server Process 3.1(1) at Wed 27-Jan-93 10
   :57AM-EST"
-->USER markp
Waiting for a line starting with a <+>
Error signalled if line starts with a <->
<--"+OK User name (markp) ok. Password, please."
-->*************
-->
Waiting for a line starting with a <+>
Error signalled if line starts with a <->
  Timed out, network not responding
  Timed out, network not responding
TCPDisconnect: OK.
TCPDispose entered: TCPDispose done.
Error while reading from network
TCPUnInit starts:  OK
TCPUnInit finished.

Problem occurs when 36 new mails in my account
Also, I cannot send any messages
Now when I reduce the number of mail messages on the Vax to 7 :

TCPNew: OK
 looking up <yang.earlham.edu> OK.TCPConnect:  OK
Leaving TCPConnect
Waiting for a line starting with a <+>
Error signalled if line starts with a <->
<--"+OK YANG.EARLHAM.EDU MultiNet POP3 Server Process 3.1(1) at Wed 27-Jan-93 11
   :23AM-EST"
-->USER markp
Waiting for a line starting with a <+>
Error signalled if line starts with a <->
<--"+OK User name (markp) ok. Password, please."
-->*************
-->
Waiting for a line starting with a <+>
Error signalled if line starts with a <->
<--"+OK 7 messages (26021 Bytes in folder 'NEWMAIL')"
-->STAT
Waiting for a line starting with a <+>
Error signalled if line starts with a <->
<--"+OK 7 26021"
-->TOP 1 1
Waiting for a line starting with a <+>
Error signalled if line starts with a <->
<--"+OK"
Fairly convincing huh?

Mark Pearson
Earlham Bollege
From: JFISHER@ISDRES.ER.USGS.GOV (James R. Fisher 703-648-7026)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet
Subject: RE: mail problem
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:57:53 -0500 (EST)
Organization: Info-Multinet<==>Vmsnet.Networks.Tcp-Ip.Multinet Gateway
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In a previous article, sef@grouch.jpl.nasa.gov wrote:
> 
> 
>A question about Internet mail and Multinet: Is there any way to set the return
>time on old undeliverable mail messages? A user (and a manager) of mine
>recently complained about learning 4 days later that his message didn't get
>through. He would prefer wait no longer than 24 hours. Is this a user settable
>variable?
> 
>Thank You,
>Scott Fullner, JPL Navigation
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
   In setting the return time as low as one day, you will likely arouse the
ire of those who are sending mail to the outer corners of the globe, to eastern
europe, south and central america. My users do much such, and it is no uncommon
thing for a bit of mail to wait in the queue for 3-4 days awaiting a domain
name server for the distant domain to become reachable, or connectivity to the
distant host to be realized.

   So you have two groups to satisfy, those who want their mail to get to the
dark corners without them having to try several times, and those who don't
want to wait 4 days to find out they misspelled the name of the guy in the
next office. Best thing to do is to know how your mail is balanced among the
groups. Failing this, lock the concerned parties in a windowless room without
food and water and let them resolve the issue for you. 
-jrf

 
jfisher@isdres.er.usgs.gov        James R. Fisher
jfisher@usgsresv  (Bitnet)        US Geological Survey, Reston, VA 22092
isdres::jfisher   (Span)          703-648-7026
From: SB_WDK@gen.getronics.nl
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet
Subject: Crashing a VAX-4000 ?
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:10:16 +0200 (CET)
Organization: Info-Multinet<==>Vmsnet.Networks.Tcp-Ip.Multinet Gateway
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Hello,

Thanks to everybody who did send a reply on mine "First E-Mail".
Furthermore I would like to ask a question.
We want to install MultiNet 3.1D on a VAX cluster that we're running 
with a VAX-4500 and a VAX-4100. But now I've heard something about
MultiNet crashing a machine in the 4000-series. And the cause of this
would be a bug in the EZDRIVER.COM.

What is true about this problem and if it is, how can we check our
EZDRIVER.COM. 

Regards,
Wilfried Dudink


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From: adelman@TGV.COM (Kenneth Adelman)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet
Subject: Re: MultiNet SMTP agent config vs. sendmail
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 13:06:09 PST
Organization: Info-Multinet<==>Vmsnet.Networks.Tcp-Ip.Multinet Gateway
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> I'm having a problem sending mail from MultiNet to a UNIX host.  The problem
> seems to be with the sendmail configuration on the UNIX system.  It doesn't
> seem to know the equivalent of it's "SMTP Host Name" and returns the following
> error in the bounced mail message:

>	     ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>	  >>> HELO delta1.tsl.texas.gov
>	  <<< 553 Local configuration error, hostname not recognized as local
>	  554 <root@tsl.texas.gov>... Service unavailable

> Is this indeed the problem and does anybody know how to fix it?

    It is indeed the problem. But I don't know enough about sendmail.cf
files to fix it.

								Ken
From: adelman@TGV.COM (Kenneth Adelman)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet
Subject: Re: Remote Printing
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 08:37:22 PST
Organization: Info-Multinet<==>Vmsnet.Networks.Tcp-Ip.Multinet Gateway
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> I have setup a STREAM remote printer to a terminal server port with
> CONFIGURE /PRINTERS as per the System Administrators' Guide  (MultiNet
> V3.1 Rev A; VAX/VMS 5.4-2).  The problem is that it doesn't work with
> all my software.  When I send to device NLP0: with a certain package of
> programs it acts as if something is going across but nothing comes out
> the terminal server port.

> The program package has worked virtually flawlessly with all manner of
> of spooled devices for six years, so I strongly suspect the deficiency
> is in MultiNet.  The package is a proprietary vendor product, so I can't
> get at the source code to see what it is doing.  I haven't been able to
> reproduce the problem with any programs I have written.  Support has
> recommended I air the problem here in hope that someone can help.

    The best way to test this is to STOP/QUEUE/NEXT the MultiNet
printer queue, print the file, and examine what you have in the
queue (the entry and the contents of the file). Then get a network
analyzer running, START/QUEUE the queue, and see what comes out of the
VAX.

							    Ken
From: KLENSIN@INFOODS.MIT.EDU (John C Klensin)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet
Subject: Re:  What is the PC way of testing mail/network connectivity?
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:05:14 -0500 (EST)
Organization: Info-Multinet<==>Vmsnet.Networks.Tcp-Ip.Multinet Gateway
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>On USEnet, there are test newsgroups (e.g. ba.test, misc.test) which are used
>to test if a person's posts will make it out into the greater computropolis.
>
>But where is a test mail address?  Is there some kind of mail-reflector or a
>gateway to/from the test newsgroups or anything?  After all, not every site HAS
>USEnet newsgroups.

Think a bit about what you are trying to do here, since the answer to
your question may depend on the answer to this one.

Assuming that your UA software will let you do it (the Host Requirements
RFC discourages that, but...), there is a moderately well-known trick of
using source routing to bounce a message off another host and back to
you.  Note that not all SMTP servers support this, but most probably 
do, at least for a single route.  It does impose some load, so asking
first would be polite, but one or two messages off a large and
mail-active host will probably not matter enough to be noticed.

You want to send mail to:
    <@relay-domain:your-mailbox@your-domain>
You may need some sort of string in front of that for some MTAs.  Using
    SMTP%"<@relay-domain:your-mailbox@your-domain>"
with the MultiNet SMTP and VMSMail does, if I recall, work without
problems.

Interpreting the results, if you are trying to do more than test getting 
a message out and getting one back, may be interesting, since your host
will be appearing in a lot of different Received fields.

    john    klensin@infoods.unu.edu