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From: mike@perez.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Fat Lady Sang in 78
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:53:16 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

> 
> Tsk, tsk. Wrong context. The Bullets were down against the Spurs 3 games to
> 1 in the Eastern Conference finals. *That's* when Motta unleashed his gem.
> Needless to say the Bullets managed to pull the serie out.  The
> championship was icing on the cake.
> 
Close, but not quite the truth. I was raised in San Antonio. I remember that
series very, very well. It broke my heart. The Spurs defeated the 76ers in the
Eastern Conference semi-finals 4-3 behind Larry Kenon and George Gervin. The 
Spurs destroyed Washington in Washington in game one of the Eastern Conference 
Finals. Washington won a very close game two. The Spurs won the next two in 
San Antonio. Dan Cook, the sportscaster for the CBS affiliated tv station in
San Antonio made the "Fat Lady" remark after game 4. Dick Motta made that line
famous and admits he acquired it from Dan Cook's tv comments. By the way, many 
of us Spurs fans felt we were robbed in that series. We lost three very close
games that were loaded with very controversials calls in favor of Washington.
I was at one of the games not to mentioned two of the victories over Philly.
                  
By the way, what do yall think of Lloyd Daniels
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From: cantor@skink.cis.ohio-state.edu (scott eric cantor)
Subject: Re: Are Da Bulls Dying? 
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:05:45 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.152833.27361@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>
>I agree.  The Knicks are about the only team I worry about, but I still think
>that Cartwright plays Ewing just well enough for the Bulls to move past them.
>As for the Cavaliers, I haven't worried about them before, and I'm not 
>worrying about them now.
>

	That's just the way I prefer it.  One of these days you're not going to
worry about it, and that's when it's gonna happen.  Frankly I didn't think the
Cavs could take the Bulls to six games last season.  I was wrong.  So are you.

>-- 
>|_ o_O              Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)


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From: csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher M. Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: MAGIC in NEW YORK?
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:46:01 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Jul24.180751.7324@scott.skidmore.edu> mmilitzo@scott.skidmore.edu (matthew militzok) writes:
>Magic Johnson has almost come to his final conclusion that he would
>like to play inthe NBA next season.
>Johnson has also noted that he would like to finish his career playing
>for Pat Riley.
>
>Magic on the Knicks?
>
>Wow!  looks like the knicks might be buying a championship 

How could he do that?  The Lakers still own his rights, don't they?

C Squared
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Sixers Camp News?
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:06:37 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


	I sincerely doubt that the Sixers would go with a 3-guard lineup.
	That would seriously cause some matchup problems.  Besides, with the
	drafting of Clarence Weatherspoon and the acquisition of Tim Perry,
	the small-forward slot is set.

	Jazzy J 
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From: paulg@microsoft.com (Paul Goode)
Subject: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:02:05 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Keywords: Spurs Update

Not much to report. David Robinson was predictably dismayed
with Rod Strickland's departure, although it appeared to
be more related to the absence of a point guard, not the
loss of Strickland in particular. Pointing out that he
(The Admiral) wasn't someone like Michael Jordan who
created his own plays, Robinson said that he needed someone
to get him the ball, and added that the team had already
shown that it couldn't without a genuine point. But he
sympathized with the Spurs' dilemma with Strickland, and
when informed that Rod would be coming off the bench in
Portland said that "We all know how Rodney likes his playing
time."

The Spurs clearly need to obtain a new point guard. There's
been a lot of speculation about Brian Shaw, but nothing
has happened.

In other news, the Spurs signed ex-playground legend Lloyd
Daniels to a 2-year deal. 24 years old, Daniels never 
attended college because of a drug arrest. The newest Spur
indicated that he was grateful for his opportunity, and
would "taking things one day at a time." In this summer's
16-game USBL season, Daniels averaged 23 pts, 6 boards, 
and 4 asst.

Terry Cummings is of course out for the season. That and
recent developments in Sacramento have made the Carr-Schintzius
trade look like the work of Red Auerbach.

Paul
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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: Game was CLOSE? (WAS: Re: Final Score: 102-70)
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:06:57 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.052034.6850@cis.ohio-state.edu> atchison@lyre.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison) writes:
>
>THEY STILL WON BY 33.  THE GAME WAS *NEVER* IN DOUBT.  CHARLES ONLY HAD 1 T!!!
>
>My point: (probably a confusing post if I needed to state it here, but too bad)
>
>The game was not close.

Well, I was amazed that Croatia was only down by 13 after 5 minutes in the 
second half.  I started saying, 'Wow, these guys aren't that bad.' Then I 
realized that Drazen had 4 fouls, Kukoc had 3, etc... and that it IS 
a 40 minute game.

Basically, it was a close game on occasions, but overall it wasn't close.
The score was pretty indicative of the Croatia v. USA matchup (hell, we even
did that without Magic/Stockton and with an injured Bird -- imagine if these
guys would have been healthy ;^)

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From: paulg@microsoft.com (Paul Goode)
Subject: Re: MIGHTY NUGGETS roster at Rocky Mtn Revue
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:22:59 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: usa
Keywords: Nuggets  Rookies/Free Agents  Revue-SLC
Summary: Massenburg

In article <1992Jul20.142854.4067@ncar.ucar.edu>, grubin@virga.rap.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin) writes:
> 
> 
> For the White team, former
> Maryland player Tony Massenburg (didn't the Spurs draft him?)

The Spurs drafted Tony in the second round of the 1989 draft.

Paul


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From: jobrien@camus.sni-usa.com (John O'Brien)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Laimbeer IS over-rated
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:22:37 GMT
Reply-To: obrien@sni-usa.com
Organization: Siemens-Nixdorf Information Systems, Inc. Cambridge, MA

> >
> >	Laimbeer WAS average. 
> >
> >In other words, a very important part of a very talented team. But
not the guy who led the
> >Pistons to the "Promised Land".
> >
> >-Bennet
> >
> 
> But on the other hand, while he was in his prime, the Pistons had
little to worry
> about on the defensive boards.  Sorry, but Edwards was absolutely,
positively, NOT
> a rebounder, and neither was Salley.  Until last year, Rodman's board
contribution
> was on the offensive end.
> 
> Last year, however, Bill could no longer take the defensive glass,
which meant Rodman
> had to do it.  He did it exceptionally well, but at a sacrifice to his
one-on-one
> defense, which meant more penetration and hence more easy baskets.  I
had a hard
> time stomaching all the easy baskets they gave up last year, and
Rodman having to
> change his style I believe was a big part of it.
> 
> So while I won't claim that he was an incredible player, his defensive
rebounding
> and that tippy-toe jumper (which also seemed to go dramatically south
last year)
> made him a better than average player IMHO.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 

One point here which not brought up was how durable the guy has been.  He
has played virtually every game since the Pistons acquired him.  Most other
centers have had pretty significant "down-time" (Parrish, Malone).  The
guy had his strengths and weaknesses, which I think sums up the Pistons
as a whole.  With the exception of Isaiah, no one on the team was a 
Hall-of-Famer (jury is still out on Dumars).  And Isaiah simply could not
dominate a game the way people like Jordan or Magic could.  Nobody on
that team could carry a team like Magic or Jordan could.  They were basically
Isaiah and 8 role players that managed to wear down opponents rather than
dominate with talent.  I think they are the most interesting champions the
NBA has seen in a while because the whole was so much greater than the sum
of the parts:  A center who couldn't block shots, only one legit low-post
scorer (Edwards), a very inconsistent 3rd guard (VJ), a forward (Rodman)
who basically scored by accident, etc.  I think a lot of teams in the 
league have at least as much talent, but haven't accomplished nearly as
much in the last 7-8 years.

_______________________________________________________________________________
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Chairman of the Boston Chapter of the Laimbeer-is-not-a-Total-Stiff Club:
"Somebody has to!"
From: bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM (Bennet Ih - Sun BOS Hardware - Sunergy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Barkley in the open court
Date: 27 Jul 1992 13:22:33 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC
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I have been totally impressed with Barkley's open court abilities so far. Seems like
in Philly all he did was post up, hold the ball for 10 seconds trying to force a 
double or an illegal defense, and then take a shot or kick it out with a few seconds
left on the shot clock. Don't know if it was Barkley or the coaching staff to blame
for this stagnant offense.

Looks like Barkley will be even more dangerous next year with the Suns and their
running mentality. I have to say I like Phoenix's chances next year with KJ, Majerle and
Barkley all steaming down court and Ainge spotting up for 3. Don't know if Tom Chambers 
can recover from a sub-par season though at his age.

-Bennet


Organization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 09:50:25 -0400 
From: "Ray R. Lieu" <rl2j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Stockton????

Hi,

Does anyone out there know the scoop on John Stockton's injury???

Is he ready????

He was really, really impressive in the Tournament of the Americas (at
least the games he played) with his amazing passing, and I hope to see
more of it!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks,
-Ray
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From: twright@smcl415.smkt (Tom Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Help ME Please!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:15:12 GMT
Reply-To: twright@smcl415.smkt
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

In article 9978@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au, s1073200@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (P.Jackson-Highlander) writes:
>
>HI I need some help.
>
>    Is Micheal JOrdan playing baseball???? If so who for and how is he going??
>
>
>    Thanks for your replies in advance!!!!
>
>
>    Paul
>    Australia



---
No way!! You are probably thinkin of Ricky Jordan of the Phillies. 

Tom Wright 
twright@lsil.com
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From: gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso)
Subject: Re: Predictions.....
Organization: Motorola LMPS
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:04:48 GMT
Keywords: n


>(iv) NBA Champs....Phoenix Suns.  No big surprise.

To YOU it wouldn't be a big surprise, to the the rest of the league...YES, it
would be a surprise.  I am a huge BULLS fan and right now the team to beat is
the New York Knicks.  They had a great off season and acquired alot of key men.
The Suns only got Barkley and his sidekick EGO, but gave up a lot to get him.
Also, you forgot the 2-time NBA champion Chicago Bulls.  No one has beat them
yet, so don't give that championship out just yet.....
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From: aco@fraser.sfu.ca (Alvin Milton Co)
Subject: Re: Notes from Rocky Mountain Review
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 03:54:15 GMT

terry@leland.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes:

>Thanks for all your work, Jennifer.  If it is possible, please post **all**
>the statistics, not just a few of them.  Many of us are 
>following the progress of new or marginal players and we would be unable to
>do this if only "interesting" stats
>were posted.  However, I know it's a lot of work, so just do what you
>have time for.  Anything is appreciated.
>					Terry Wong  
Jennifer, I'm with Terry.  If you don't mind and can find some time, I would
like to know as much as possible on what's going on over there!  Thanks a lot!
Everthing is appreciated!
Alvin
 
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From: yoo@well.sf.ca.us (Young-Kyu Yoo)
Subject: Re: USA v Angola
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:58:47 GMT


cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu writes:
>Following up on the Barkley story in 84:
>   It was reported Knight told the players to be on time for the practice
and
>he was late in one incident. Charles stood up to him and questioned him why
>he was late. Knight was very angry and called him "fat as_" or something
like
>that. Charles had no intention of playing in the Olympics at that time, he
just
>wanted to showcase his talent for a better drafting position. So it worked
>out fine for both Knight and Barkley for the selection process.

In a television interview, Barkley displayed no ill will towards Knight
and stated that he just wasn't good enough at the time to make the Olympic
team.  And we know Barkley is no paragon of diplomacy or humility.
From: bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM (Bennet Ih - Sun BOS Hardware - Sunergy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Game was CLOSE? (WAS: Re: Final Score: 102-70)
Date: 28 Jul 1992 13:39:23 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bagheera.east.sun.com

Well, at least Croatia looked like it deserved to be on the same court as Team USA.
That's more than can be said for any of the previous opponents.

-Bennet
From: gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Celtics Rookie Camp
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:25:00 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <1992Jul22.175131.23879@rti.rti.org> wgr@rti.rti.org writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.154346.27117@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney) writes:
>>	David Johnson -- As they said we want to backup Reggie.  How is
>>		John Barry at 6'3" and not very athletic going to play
>>		at the 2 spot.  There are a couple of guys in the league
>>		that he can look eye-to-eye with.  Dave Johnson would have
>>		been far better.  More height, more athletic, better
>>		ballplayer, can rebound some (desparately needed).
>
>Why do you say that Jon Barry is "not very athletic"?  He has always seemed
>pretty athletic -- speed, quickness, jumping ability -- to me.  If what you
		    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	When I saw him, he didn't impress me that much.  Average JA/speed.
	I was referring to Dee Brown type speed, quickness, jumping ability.
	At 6'3" he would need that to play 2 guard behind Reggie.  Yes I know
	that there are small 2-guards, but they have more going for them
	than he does.  i.e. Dumars -- Great D, Tough on Offense
			    Hornacek -- Good D, Can score very well

			    Barry -- Not, Not.  What is Gavitt smoking.

>mean is that he's not especially strong, I'd agree with that.

	That's another thing, I found him to be lacking.  He better hope
	that he doesn't play Rumeal, or maybe Vinnie Johnson, or any other
	guy who likes to play physical.  I can see him trying to play
	Dan Majerle.

>
>If Barry makes it in the NBA at all, I think it will have to be at the 2
>position.  I can't see him playing point guard at that level.
From: dim@soda.berkeley.edu (Dimitrios Gerasimatos)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Portland 'Blazers Murray
Date: 22 Jul 92 06:38:46 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

I saw Tracy Murray play in both high school and college. He played 
high school ball in Glendora, where he averaged around 38? points a game
or something ridiculous. He was a decent team leader, but took on too
much alone.

I saw him play in a game here at Cal with the Bruins. Although UCLA
lost (yay!), Murray tore it up, hitting the 3 like it was a free throw.
Much more impressive than MacLean. I have seen some good players come
through Cal, and I'd say he's one of them. Great shooter, but he didn't
adjust too well to the role-player role, which is bad, because he lacks
the all around skills to be a star. He'll make a fine offensive weapon
coming off the bench, at the least. Could develop into a Reggie Miller
type player, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Dimitrios Gerasimatos
dim@soda.berkeley.edu
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE TEAM!
Organization: University of Michigan
	<1992Jul21.073850.20042@research.canon.oz.au>
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:47:10 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.073850.20042@research.canon.oz.au> graeme@research.canon.oz.au (Graeme Wong See) writes:

   If the US happened to send one of these nightmare teams, do you think they
   would still win gold at the Olympics??

Yes, if they practiced longer as a team than the dream team has, I do think
they would.  

Bill
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From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: Final Score: 102-70 (Re: USA/Croatia time ? )
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 19:37:23 GMT

wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward) writes:
>
>I missed the beginning of the Croatia game.  Has the DT been losing in any of
>their games so far?  2-0?  If not, there could be a small victory waiting out
>there for some team.

Angola had a 2-1 lead over US in their game. i believe Croatia also
led 4-2 ealry in yesterday's game.

So the answer to your question is, yes the DT has been behind on
occasion.

>I got the feeling against Angola that we should have
>given them Malone and Jordan for the second half just to even things up a bit!

Hmmm.... I'd give Drexler and Laettner too.

>Rick

    --mack

--
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I've got all my life to live, I've got all my love to give
and I'll survive, I will survive.          --Gloria Gaynor
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Average Centers
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:52:52 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Jul29.203322.14561@leland.Stanford.EDU> waterski@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mark T. Stacey) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.193213.28638@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:
>>
>>Come on.  Perhaps you can say something about Ewing not being perfect, but
>>Robinson and Hakeem (excluding last season) are A+'s.  Let's face it,
>>Michael Jordan could improve his shooting %, his 3 point %, his free throw
>>%, could block more shots, could steal a bit more and grab more rebounds
>>too.  But he has no category which isn't already very good.
>>
>>So maybe Hakeem and Robinson aren't perfect, but they excel at a lot of
>>things centers aren't supposed to do.  Top five in steals?  How many
>>rebounding and shot blocking titles do they have between each other?
>>Besides, centers, suck at free throws...
>
>Fine, Hakeem is probably the best center in the NBA, but I can't accept this
>nonsense about David Robinson being an A+.  David Robinson is not a great
>center, in fact, he can't even play the position offensively.  The man can
>not make a single move with his back to the basket (generally an important
>skill in an NBA center).
>

>Defensively, Robinson is a quality stopper, but he gets his points on fast
>breaks and alley-oops (with a few put-backs).... More like a power forward.
>I don't know why people are so concerned about free throws, that statistic
>will have no bearing on a player's place in history.

Well, with no offensive skills, he still manages to put up 23+ppg.  Must 
be a whole hell of a lot of fast breaks on this team.  


-- 
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From: tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Subject: Re: ABA Teams that moved from one city to another
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:16:26 GMT

>Thanksto everybody who replied to my request for NBA/ABA teams that moved from one city to another. 
>
>Here is a compiled list of ABA teams that moved from one city to another. I will post a list of NBAteams later.
>
>Houston  Mavericks -->Carolina Cougars -->Dallas Mavericks

I don't think so.
Dallas would never take anything from Houston, anyways.

GT
From: rasdald@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Predictions (Re: DT vs. Kukoc)
Date: 31 Jul 92 10:05:01 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

>The Nets will be a team to watch - Daley inherits a shot-blocking,
>rebounding frontcourt, (with Coleman for offense) along with Petrovich,
>and Blaylock/Kenny Anderson at the point.  PJ Brown fits the mold at
>C/F, and if Steve Rogers makes the team, he adds a swingman who can
>leap and score.

You will soon discover PJ Brown will be a nice addition.  I feel he may be
one of the most underated players last year.  He look super down in 
Lousianna Tech (I think).  He got no hype.  His shoot is good.  I see him in
more the Forward position.  I really beleive he will develop into another 
Pippen.  He has great ball handling and sees the floor well!!!  The Nets are
going to love this guy.  No problems to date with injuries.  A real steal in 
the draft for the Nets.  It is kind of surprising to see the Nets doing 
something right in drafting for a change.


>With the Nets and Hornets looking to be strong teams, and Orlando and
>Miami getting stronger, there are less teams to beat up on this year.
>Probably the Bullets, Philly, Dallas, and the Wolfies.  Even Denver
>should improve, adding Laphonso Ellis and Stith to Mutombo. Hey, is
>this what parity means, that bit by bit established teams replace
>expansion teams as the cellar dwellers?
>
>        Ellie Cutler
>
I think so.  Good point!

I still beleive that Orlando will not be all that next year.  In a few years,
yes, but now I predict they miss out in playoffs again.



  Dow Rasdall
          
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