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From: primeaux@carlsberg.cs.utk.edu (David Primeaux)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: why are so many dalmations deaf?
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:03:29 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - Department of Computer Science
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In article <1992Nov15.191115.6945@infonode.ingr.com>, bbrown@infonode.ingr.com (Bailey Brown) writes:
|> 
|> I think deafness is somewhat linked to white color.  The only other
|> breeds I've heard of with a high rate of deafness are white Bull Terriers
|> and Argentine Dogos (which are white too).
|> 
|> ------------
|> Bailey Brown                               "Above all else, confusion reigns."
|> Intergraph Corporation                                  
|> bbrown@casca.b11.ingr.com                              Procol Harum

An interesting thought, but it does not explain why dalmatians with
blue eyes and/or a "mark" or "ring" spot completely encircling one 
eye are more prone to deafness than are others.

-- david
primeaux@cs.utk.edu

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From: romano@pimac2.iet.unipi.it (Romano Giannetti)
Subject: Dobermann for sale
Organization: Dipartimento di Informatica, Universita' di Pisa
Distribution: ita
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:23:09 GMT

Hi! 

  I write this in English because I think we have a "leakage" and the 
"Distribution: ita" could not work.
   In few words, a friend of mine will have 6-7 Dobermann pets in two
week or less (with a very good pedigree). If you are interested, e-mail me
(I typically don't read this group), or phone (Italy) 0588-64347 in early
evening( 20:00 - 21:30).

  And in Italian (sorry, but I don't know how translate some terms...)
 
Ad un mio amico nasceranno dei cuccioli di Dobermann di OTTIMA discendenza
(pedigree e cataloghi alla mano) entro una quindicina di giorni. Mantello
nero focato, tutti e due i genitori hanno un'ottima presenza e un buon 
carattere. Se la cosa vi interessa mandatemi un e-mail o telefonate (ora 
di cena) allo 0588-64347 e chiedete di Giacomo.

  Ciao a tutti,
		Romano.
-- 
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From: casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton)
Subject: Re: Please help: cancer and pet Yorkie (long)
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 18:54:23 GMT


One of the things they do at UC Davis before doing tumor surgery is a chest
x-ray to make sure the tumor process hasn't spread.  My dog was fine, but
I know someone whose dog didn't pass that first test.

The first thing I would do is to try to find a surgical specialist in mil's
area.  Then I'd decide what I would/would not do to save my dog's life.
I was told we had a good shot at a complete cure if they got all of the
tumor so I went ahead and did it--but I would not have had surgery on my
dog if it meant chasing subsequent cancers around her mouth.

So it sounds like mil has a handle on what she's willing to do.  Remember
that she doesn't have to make the decision when the dog is on the operating
table.  They can remove what they can of the tumor and either cure the dog
or extend its life.  Or maybe they'll find it's more involved than that.
In any event, mil will have her dog with her for a while more before she
has to make a decision about whether or not to put the dog down.  As for
*when* that is, I think people pretty much know when that time has come.

My best to all.
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From: mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening)
Subject: Re: Dog with kidney problems that wouldn't eat -- thanks to all
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:20:49 GMT

In article <BxvKBJ.918@news.ucs.mun.ca> kirsten@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Kirsten Starcher) writes:
>Thanks to the many of you who offered constructive suggestions on how to get
>Sheila to eat.  It really is nice to know that there are people out there who
>are willing to help out.
>
>Unfortunately, Sheila was put down yesterday.  My parents brought her in to the
>vet, and he told them some things about kidney failure that had obviously shown
>up.  

>Kirsten Starcher		"All I want is that second of time
>kirsten@morgan.ucs.mun.ca        and a few square inches inside of your mind."
>							- Joyful Noise

My deepest sympathies to you and your family.  It sounds as though Sheila was
in poor condition so I hope you don't think you did the wrong thing.  I have
not ever experienced the loss of a close pet or even family member (other than
my grandfathers) so I can not say I know what you feel but I can't imagine
the loss of my friend so again, I am sorry to hear about Sheila.

-- 
| Michael Buening	    We are not inheriting the earth from our |
| mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu  parents, we are borrowing it from our    |
|		 	    children" -- Saw it on a shirt, author   |
|					 unknown		     |
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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 10:03:06 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Shepard Ears & Things
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  His ear should be up by now.  I hope you're not planning to breed
this dog, because his testicle should be down by now.  Forgive this
dreadful joke, but I couldn't resist-  Yank down real hard on his
undecended testicle, and his ear Should pop up.
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From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: behavior modification or dog training
Followup-To: talk.philosophy.misc
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 23 Nov 92 07:01:00 GMT

r hardin writes:
>> Did you think you were inside Susie?
> It's a completely bogus geometry

Correct.  Good to hear it.  Indifference to the facts
is one thing, delusions are another.

> what doubt-about-thinking is according to you

Incorrect.  I've expressed no opinion on the subject.  I'm sure it
fascinates you.  But Evelyn didn't ask anything that cosmic.  Just how
to stop unwanted dog behavior.

-- Jon
--
Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com  
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From: hecht@hsi.com (Alice Hecht)
Subject: Re: Age of Dogs in Human Years
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford, CT
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:45:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.165127.9318@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com> oman@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Diane at Allen-Bradley in Cleveland) writes:
>
>	age of dog	approx. equivalent
>	  years		    human age
>        ----------------------------------
>
>	   1 ----------------- 13
> 	   2 ----------------- 20
>	   3 ----------------- 25

This is just chronologically how old, right?  Mentally, dogs don't mature
like humans do they?  In other words, a 3 year old dog who is equivalent
to a 25 year old human in terms of life span, actually possesses the maturity
level of say, a toddler?

Alice
From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Greyhound Behavior Problem
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:15:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24273
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



Marla Belzowski writes:
>>It's a wonderful method, but in addition has a reputation even among
>>enemies of curing biting.

>It also has a reputation of making fear biters out of normally
>submissive dogs.

Oh jeez, no it doesn't.  Koehler gets the dogs after you guys screw
them up, that's what I'm complaining about.

The time will come when you won't be around to shake your little
can of pennies to threaten the dog and he'll bite again for some
reason, and you'll be left having to think of a bigger threat.

Koehler teaches character, which is the right way to stop biting.
With no threatening whatsoever.

Give the damn dog a chance.
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From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: behavior modification or dog training
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:18:54 GMT

r hardin writes:
> The significant part is that you correct him for the down

Incorrect.  The significant (causal) part is his previous history.
It adds an incompatible behavior to his repertoire.

If down is not in his repertoire or it's not incompatible with
barking, "correct" all you want; at best you'll punish barking.

-- Jon
--
Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: dog house heat
Date: 16 Nov 1992 09:01 PST
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
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Summary: Dryer disadvantages
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

>  I have heard of venting the clothes dryer into the doghouse.  

Ah, yes, the clothes dryer:  source of philosophical aggravation to
amateur engineers everywhere, what with all that perfectly good heat
going to waste.  There are divertor gadgets that let you choose 
whether to send the dryer exhaust into the house or out the vent.
I don't care for them because, for much of the cycle, the exhaust
is very moist and you get condensation all over everything in the
vicinity of the outlet.  Perhaps some people, in some parts of the 
country, have less of a problem or even welcome the humidification 
because their central heat tends to dry up the air.  I can do without 
it, myself.  It also seems that a certain amount of lint escapes even 
the best screens.  

I'd be more inclined to run the nice warm vent pipe *through* an
insulated, flap-equipped doghouse and vent it into the outside air.

--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 10:11:07 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Dog had kidney failure, is better but won't eat!
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  Sorry but it really sounds like your dog has lost it's will to live.
 She just had a total renal shutdown!  this dog know it is seriously
ill.  Did you think if you had her on IV for a couple of days, her
kidneys would suddenly be well?  I'm afraid all you can do at this
point is run up a vet bill, and end up with a dead dog anyway.  Your
dog doesn't Want to live.  Nothing you do can instill a desire to
live.
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From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: behavior modification or dog training
Summary: go get your ball
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:01:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24236
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



Marla Belzowski writes:
>I have often said to Mauii " Mauii, get the
>ball and go lay down on the rug."  She will do exactly that.

Ball?!!  When I visit my parents, I take Susie along; my mother
likes to talk to Susie, and one day asked her, ``Where's your
ball?''

Well.  Susie was amazed at such ignorance!  That's a FOOTball.
It is distinguished from soccer ball, tennis ball (with or without pelt),
lacrosse ball, rubber ball, moon ball, pink ball, foam ball, tiny ball,
safety ball, and softball, to name her -ball's I can think of right now.

(Within each name, there's a small variety that fits, for example not
all her footballs are the same size.)

All names I've used consistently, picked for my convenience through
the years.

When she was about 2, I wrote out on a paper napkin all the words she
knew reliably in appropriate circumstances, and got a list of 120.

They're all words she has a reason to know, things she has a part to
play in.
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From: kudzu@netcom.com (Michael Sierchio)
Subject: Re: Question about Schutzhund Training
Organization: True Love, and Home-Grown Tomatoes
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:43:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.161119.27143@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> 
	janicki@tuxedo.enet.dec.com writes:
>
>In article <rasmussenc.53.0@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu> you write:
>|>
>|>Is this true?  Does Shutzhund training mean no obedience training?  I get 
>|>the impression she is trying to "let the dog be himself".  Won't she end up
>|>with a monster?
>
>Personally, I believe that every puppy, whether it is destined
>for work or not, can and should learn basic manners (through
>positive motivation/lure training, without physical corrections).
>Doing so will not ruin the dog for Schutzhund training if it is
>done well.

How many dogs have you titled in Schutzhund?  That's a rhetorical question,
for I'm sure the answer is none.

Your notions about how dogs should be trained are valid for most pets, but
there is a reason for everything in training -- I personally would rather
let the dog jump, and I wouldn't want to inhibit that.  You can do as you
please.  We'll see who gets better results in a trial.

If you're concerns are protecting the furniture, or you have small
children, or the like, you probably don't want to share your home with
a Schutz Hund.

Experience has taught me that it's easier to put restraint into an older
dog than drive.
-- 
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|  Michael Sierchio                          1563 Solano Avenue, Suite 123 |
|  kudzu@netcom.com                                Berkeley, CA 94707-2116 |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: behavior modification or dog training
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 21 Nov 92 06:20:23 GMT

r hardin writes:
> Susie who sits and thinks ``I am Susie who sits in spite of rabbits.''

We can see whether she sits.  We don't know what she thinks.  And we
don't need to in order to prevent or solve behavior problems.

Hard to believe, but Evelyn didn't ask what her dog thinks, or ought
to think, or for a philosophical treatise.  She asked how to stop
unwanted barking and jumping behavior.

-- Jon
--
Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com
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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 09:27:01 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Rottweilers on sailboats and for search and rescue?
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  There was a wonderful article in Reader
's Digest last month.  It was about a dog called a Skiperke.  They are
a dog of maybe 30lbs. who are traditionally ship's dogs.  They were
developed in the Netherlands to ride on boats and barges. Maybe the
Skiperke would be a better natural choice for a ship's dog.
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From: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's))
Subject: Re: Deafness and Dalmatians
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:15:14 GMT

In article <Bxvrw2.Buy@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ml31157@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Latash ) writes:
a......good info deleted....
>syndrome that causes the urea in urine to crystallize.  This has traditional-
>ly been a genetic problem with this breed until one enterprising and astute
>breeder whose name escapes me now decided to bring in Pointer blood into the
>breed.  The urological problem is due to two recessive alleles (for those of
>you who know a little genetics), and within a few generations, this breeder was
>able to get rid of this trait.  After that, he began the long and arduous task
>of "cleaning" out the Pointer blood from his dogs, and, after many years, was
>finally able to put his dogs back into the stud books.  He got rid of the
>genetic defect.
>
>Dr. Mike DVM
>

Not completely.  Loki, the dalmatian I origionally posted about,
was 1/32 Pointer.  He was completely deaf.  It was a very valiant attempt 
but it didn't completely work.  I do think he made some strides in
reducing the kidney stone problem in Dalmatians though.  

--------
Marla Belzowski  saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Mauii Nikki Belzowski CD CGC TDI CERF
Brittish Legend of Beowulf CD CGC TDI CERF  tri-color collies
Legend's Year of Jubilee  Sable & White collie
From: dnuttall@UMASSD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Trainable Terriers ?
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:37:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: umassd.BxvCuG.JJs
Reply-To: dnuttall@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.

:
>>>We have a pair of Border Terriers (about 18 pounds each).  They are
>>>very friendly and fairly laid back dogs.  They get along fine with 
>>>people and the two cats in the house.  They are also quite reliable
>>>at coming, sitting and stopping barking when inside.
>>>
>>>However, whenever they are outside on a walk and they see another four
>>>legged creature they are basically uncontrollable and want to run over
>>>and make body contact of some sort.  A few weeks ago they got hold of a
>>>skunk and would not let go even though thoroughly sprayed.  I know that
>>>this is the kind of fierceness that the breed was developed for but is
>>>there any way to noderate it with training.  I would like to hear of
>>>other people's experiences with terrier type
>>
>>HI, 

I HAVE TWO BORDER TERRIERS, SPUNKY AND PIPER.  SPUNKY JUST FLUNKED THE AKC 
GOOD CANINE CITIZEN TEST THIS WEEKEND AT THE BOSTON CLUSTER..WHY? WELL, HE
SAT OKAY ON LONG SIT, HE INTERTWINED A GROUP OF PEOPLE OKAY, AND HE LET
THE FOLKS RUNNING THE EVENT GO OVER HIM....BUT....WHEN THE TIME CAME TO
WALK ON LEAD PAST ANOTHER PERSON WITH THEIR DOG ON LEAD...HE WANTED TO
GO OVER AND "GET" THE GOLDEND LAB....OH WELL, I STILL LOVE HIM...

SPUNKY AND PIPER ON CATS......STRAY CATS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WANDER JUST
BEYOND THE FENCE AND "TERRIERIZE" MY BORDERS....RUE THE DAY THEY (the
cats) HOP THE FENCE.

THEY JUST DON"T SEEM TO LIKE REALLY BIG DOGS.

CH OLDSTONE DIDDLE ROB NACKET, CH SKC, TT
OLDSTONE PIPER OF NEWCASTLE

DORIS R NUTTALL
NEWCASTLE BORDER TERRIERS
>-- 
>  Gail Brookhart, Cincinnati, OH  *  usr7513a@tso.uc.edu
>Surely one of my addresses works! *  ce293@cleveland.freenet.edu
>***********************************  brookhge@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Let me tell you about my dogs! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: American Kennel Club Titles FAQ
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:04:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: tamvm1.168A18DAB.CBARNES
Organization: Texas A&M University


 
Do you think we can start including titles from other organizations
besides the AKC in this FAQ?  Since my intrests lie in hunting tests,
I would like to see UKC and NAHRA hunting test titles lists.
I would be that the Rott & GSD set would like Sch. titles listed.
The versitle hunting dog people would like the Versitile Hunting
titles (I don't know the organization) or the Shoot to Retrieve
titles.  I'm sure that there's probably dozens of others that I didn't
list that people might be intrested in knowing about.
 
So what-da-ya say, can we have them too?
 
      -----------------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |   Duck hunting is not a matter of
cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |   of life and death.  It's much
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |   more important than that!
(409) 845-4437 (work)   |
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From: jag@iti.org (Jacqueline A. Giles)
Subject: Re: how do i register puppies?
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:21:13 GMT

In article <BxtvCt.Iun@javelin.sim.es.com> tpehrson@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>hi all.  i'm new to this group and soon to be a first-time dog owner.  i was
>planning on buying a registered purebred female and having pups via a
>registered stud.  
>
Why are you planning to do this?  A first time dog owner should be
just that.  You know nothing about the breed you will have or about
breeding.  Two registered dogs do not necessarily have quality or
defect free puppies.

>when all this is said and done, how do i go about registering the puppies?
>
>any insights appreciated.
>
If you don't even know this, then DO NOT BREED your dog.  In fact, I
would doubt the quality of the breeder you get your dog from if the
breeder knows your intentions and still lets you have a puppy.
>-- 

I am sure there will be many more posts responding to this.  I will
let others talk about how much money there is to be made in
breeding, etc.

Jackie Giles
>	       there is no religion when a man has  good curry
>				       -
>      tim clinkenpeel: aberrant analytical skeptical agnostic idealist.
>		     -- i exclusively represent myself --
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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 23:13:00 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: rec.pets.dogs:  Health Care Issues FAQ
Comment-To: Cindy_Tittle_Moore@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
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  Are you the Sysop here?  This particular echo seems to operate
differently than others I have been on.  Are the questions asked or
the statements Only intended to be anwered by certain people?
  Do the participants talk back and forth?  I have seen many
interesting questions and statements here on this board.  When
responding, am I always to address my response to "All"?
  I believe I almost get it but not quite.
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From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Re: Deaf-Dalmation needs home!
Comment-To: All@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
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 > What!? Where do you get this information from? I have a deaf
 > Dalmatian
 > that's 2 years old and in perfect health. His training level
 > is such
 > that no one ever realizes he's deaf unless I tell them. He's
 > becoming
 > a better and more reliable pet all the time. Hardly a sign of
 > brain
 > degeneration. 
  Thankfully your dog's problem is limited to deafness.  I hope that
this is how his condition continues.
  Unfortunately, in many cases, the nerve degeneration continues
throughout the brain.  Just this week someone was trying to place a
deaf Dal who's illness had progressed to the stage of brain lesions.
and seisures.
  I don't know who the experts are on the subject.  I found out about
the nerve degeneration problem the Dalmation carries in a common dog
magazine.  When the situation is becomming commonly known to the
general public.  It's not a big secret.
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