HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Subject: To: kiisaka@uottawa.ca
Reply-To: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 19:38:30 GMT


Sorry about this post but my email keeps getting kicked back.  Anyhow,
regarding your question about purchasing SPDs in Ottawa:

I bought my outfit at Pecco's on Murray street in the Market.  With the
new bike, the upgrade from SR Low Fat pedals to DX SPDs was $70.  This
means that the SPDs go for about $100 - $110.  When I was calling around,
the XTs were going for $129 at the Bike Stop on Bank St and the DXs were 
$119 (the XTs were on sale at that time).

In my opinion, the DX pedals work adequately and unless there was a 10-20
dollar difference in the price, I would go with the DXs.  As far as the
shoes go, I amsurprised to hear that you have problems with the GC Extremes, 
they seemed like a pretty solid shoe (aren't they the ones that Ned Overend wears, of course he doesn't pay for them and may go through several a season, 
I don't know).   All I can really say for sure that it is not worth skimping
and getting the GC Sports. A friend has a pair of Alpinestars (the white ones with the multicoloured splashes on them) and hasn't had any poblems that I
know of.  SIDI makes a good shoe but they are really expensive ($170 US).  
How about AXO shoes or even Shimano M110sor 200s (if you can find them).

Let me know what happens......Stuart
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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Friggen Aluminum Fork
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:37:36 GMT

(Pamela Blalock asks about aluminum fork.)

(Everyone writes to tell her that $200 is out of hand.)

She wants a REAL(tm) Vitus fork and needs the dropouts
from the original fork (which have rack mounts) changed over.

We should all know by now that Pamela is farther ahead of us
then we give her credit for.
:-)

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From: ronf@panther3.panther.mot.com (Ron Feigen)
Subject: Re: Vitus with Aluminum Steerer Tube
Organization: Motorola Panther Project, Chandler, AZ
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:12:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.223322.23239@keps.kodak.com> pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock) writes:
>I have a vitus fork with an aluminum steerer tube. We discovered that
>the steerer tube was aluminum when we went to replace the headset. The 
>shop tells me that these are dangerous and will break randomly and that
>we should not put this fork back into the bike. Now we are looking at 
>$200 for a new fork.
>
>The bike is 14 years old. Apparently vitus swapped out these forks for
>ones with steel steerer tubes 10 years ago, but they will no longer
>honor this. There was no official recall, but supposedly an alert was
>sent out warning of the danger. We were never informed.
>
>Does anyone here have direct experience with this type of fork or 
>potential failure? I can't tell if the shop is being straight with
>me or trying to get me to shell out more money that I may not need 
>to. 
>
>Thanks for any help
>pamela
>
>-- 
>Pamela Blalock                                     pamela@keps.kodak.com
>Kodak Electronic Printing Systems, Inc             10 down, 2 to go!
>164 Lexington Road, Billerica, MA 01821-3984       BMB mixed tandem finisher!

Pam,

  I would send a nice letyer directly to Vitus, if you have the original receipt
send a copy of it.  you would be surprised at what the manufacturer will do if
they want to.

  Yesterday I called the 800 number for Enflight (bike carriers).  I told them
how much I loved the trunk mount unit I recently bought (holds bikes like a 
roof mount, you remove the front wheel, bikes face forward over the trunk not
sideways).  Anyway, I did have a suggestion for how they could make the optional
front wheel holder/adapter even better.  30 minutes later the design guy called
me back and said they where going to make one to my spec. and send it to me at
no charge.  Needless to say, I am REALLY pleased with Enflight now.



-- 

>
Ron Feigen
ronf@panther.mot.com
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From: maxwell@sun44.synercom.hounix.org (Allan Maxwell)
Subject: Re: Chris King headset opinion solicited
Keywords: headset king
Organization: Synercom Technology, Inc., Houston, TX
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:07:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.033010.2501@csi.uottawa.ca> kiisaka@csi.uottawa.ca (Ken Iisaka (the mad pianist)) writes:
>those who have had experience with a CK headset.
>Are the cartridge bearings easily replaceable?
  Yes, the bearings are easy to replace --I haven't actually replaced
  my bearings, however, I did switch the bottom for the top after about 
  3500 miles on my MTB; it is my understanding that the bottom bearing
  wears-out faster.  Also, I have a suspension fork on my bike and 
  it is my opinion that the fork destroyed the shimano XT headset within
  500 miles of use.

>What is the stack height?
  Similar to XT.

>How durable is it, anyway ('d better be, at $100 U.S. a set)
  7000 miles -atleast 50% offroad-- and still going strong.

>How well sealed are the bearings?
  I don't know how to measure this with out wrecking the bearings, but
  mine has never squeeked or felt sticky.

Allan
maxwell@sun44.synercom.hounix.org
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From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Subject: Re: Are 8sp Really Needed?
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 23:33:24 GMT

|> If your top and bottom gears are the same, how big an advantage
|> is it to have 16 (or 24 for MTB's) steps between them over
|> 14 (or 21)? 

The advantages are:

1.  you rarely have to shift the front derailleur
2.  you can ride at the pack's pace with closer to your normal cadence

These are important to road racers; probably marginally useful
to anyone else.

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
uucp: uunet!decwrl!klee
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Wednesday, 30 Sep 1992 16:08:00 EDT
From: Eric Schweitzer <ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Leverless quick-release

In article <BvEGt6.93n@math.uwaterloo.ca>, arpepper@math.uwaterloo.ca (Adrian
Pepper) says:
>
>Has any manufacturer ever produced leverless quick-release hubs?  I
>envision something into which you insert a separate lever, possibly
>even an appropriate sized hex-key, to activate the cam mechanism,
Yes.
I think it was Specialized, around 3 or 4 years ago.
They marketed it as a security device. :+)
From: tims@cci632.cci.com (Tim Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Cateye Micro average speed algorithm?
Date: 9 Oct 92 12:57:36 GMT
Reply-To: tims@cci.com (Tim Sullivan)
Organization: Northern Telecom NAS, Rochester, NY


jsketchl@engr.UVic.CA wrote this about 
"Cateye Micro average speed algorithm?":
[ deleted discription of current speed instability ]
>
	I have seen this occasionally.  I have attributed it to the sensor and
	magnet being just a little too far apart.  Try closing the gap and
	see if the problem goes away.
>
>For the guy who wrote "I've always just assumed that they
>got their math chips out of boxes of CrackerJacks," 
>I say this:
>
>"You're probably right."
	I was under the impression they had to send away for it, you know,
	free with two proofs of purchase from a box of 'Captain Crunch'.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tim Sullivan
tims@cci.com
From: praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Helmets - keeping a cool head
Date: 15 Oct 92 11:44:03 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Waterloo

In article <1992Oct12.214323.20112@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> les@cs.stanford.edu writes:
>I summarized Scott Truesdell summary of Ken Mayer's posting as follows:
>   Ergo presto your head is hotter with a helmet

>Unfortunately, Ken Mayer let his "ol' noodle" reach an erroneous
>conclusion.  Most bicycle helmets provide both better air circulation
>and better insulation against the sun's heat than typical hats.  If
  Ah but I never wear a 'typical' hat (assuming you are talking about a
cycling cap).  The comparison in question is about a bare head vs wraping 2cm
of good insulation with a few breathing holes to help the odd person who straps
it to their face knowing that thats what will hit the ground first.

>you replace idle speculation with temperature measurements, as has
>been done in a few studies, you find that in typical riding situations
  I have one seen studies showing its hotter than a bare head. Pretty well
everything I have seen concludes that its hotter.  If you have something like
my Bell Stratos with the full face shield (check them out in the olympics) you
will be a lot hotter than a newer microshell helmet.  Even on days with near
freezing weather it is not uncommon for me to have a browpad full of sweat.
  The newer microshells may have better airflow but your hair is already
traped against the head creating air pockets.  A bare head will allow the hair
to move and circulate out the hot air.  Of course the faster you go the more
cooling you are more likely to get (depending upon drafting, wind direction ..)
  As much as I would like to agree with Les I can only conclude that what he
said may be true for some mythical helmet somewhere but I have not seen it.
There is a large variance in how much various helmet heat your head above
the standard case (no helmet).  If you wear a cycling cap you will heat up a
fair bit and deserve to sweat.  Although I have found my Stratos extreamly
uncomfortable in 34C weather I can't say that it hurt my performace since I
normally avoid the outdoors during summer (excpet for cycling; and I don't 
feed bugs by hiking in the summer).
  In fact I use about as much O2 as the average Cat 1 racer and generate more
heat (it certainly is not going into mech. work) so I should be getting hotter
than the average racer (also considering I go slower and get less breeze).  So
I will conclude with emphasising that I have never seen any evidence for such
a blanket statement as "helmets keep you cooler than a normal cap" but I also
don't find it impossible to ride in hot, humid weather with a full face helmet
that has little air flow.  I have been close to heat prostation (worked in
the constuction industry or too many years) but never on my bike.
  - Eric 
 
"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just."
                [Thomas Jefferson]
 
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From: rlm@sunlight.Physics.UIowa.Edu (Robert Mutel)
Subject: non-HG Ultegra cassettes?
Organization: Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Iowa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:28:29 GMT

Is it possible to buy a 7 speed cassette (13-26 preferably) for an Ultegra hub/derailler which is *not* hyperglide? I have a Specialized Allez Epic with a 13-23 without HG I want to change to 13-26.

-- 
Robert Mutel
Department of Physics and Astronomy
University of Iowa
Iowa City IA 52242

Telephone: 319-335-1950      FAX: 319-335-1753
Email: rlm@sunlight.physics.uiowa.edu  (internet) 
       iowa::rlm (span)
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From: weaver@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Dave Weaver)
Subject: Re: Cateye Micro average speed algorithm?
Organization: SPS
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:47:02 GMT


dfarrow@spam.ua.oz (Duncan Farrow) writes:

>On the subject of dodgy cyclometer readouts, I have a similar experience
>with my Avocet computer with the maximum speed shotting up to fanciful
>values. I rarely look at it as it is either v_max or v_avg and I choose
>the latter but one time when I looked at it, it said my maximum speed
>was 119km/h which is absurd, the fasted I could remember going (and one
>normally remembers that) was about 60km/h. So what's going on here? 

I had that problem with my Avocet 40. It was at the steepest section of 
a long climb where, in my lowest gear, I could barely keep the pedals turning.
The Avocet 40 went nuts and showed my speed at 80 to 110miles/hr. I think it 
is related to the positioning of the receiver next to the magnetic ring. I 
adjusted mine a few times and I haven't had that problem in a while.

Dave Weaver
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From: brianh@hp-16.cae.wisc.EDU (Brian Huilman)
Subject: Re: My sensor question
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Distribution: usa
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:19:39 CDT
Originator: brianh@hp-16.cae.wisc.edu


In article <00961C8E.E942C7C0@vms.csd.mu.edu>, 2641nabedian@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
> 	Thanks to all who have helped with my sensor question.  I have not yet 
> decided which is the best solution, but I certainly know more know than 
> before.  
>
>  [STUFF DELETED]
> 
> 	Don't let this stop you from offering any other suggestions, though. 
> I TRULY appreciate all the guidance I have received from the net.  I have 
> learned a lot more from your comments than from the class itself!
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Just curious Jay, what's the course title, your major, your year in school?  I
hope you realize that there will be much more involved in your project that 
just taking someones suggestion to buy a cyclo'puter sensor or reading the
Thomas Index.  You will have to do all the design, testing, redesigning, re-
testing, etc. on your own.  It shocks me that you say you've learned more from
the net that from class.  From what I've been able to follow on the thread,
there hasn't been much said from a design standpoint, just a few good starting
points.

> 	Thanks again.
> 
> Jay Nabedian
> 2641nabedian@vms.csd.mu.edu

Anyway, good luck on the project.

Brian Huilman           University of Wisconsin - Madison
                        Department of Electrical/Computer Engineering
"Avoid the Bonk"        brianh@cae.wisc.edu
             _   __o
           ___  `\<,    "Speed is the reward for hard training."
             -  O/ O
From: bb11807@thug (Brian A. Blow)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Difference between HG90/HG91 chains?
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:02:37 GMT
Organization: Medtronic, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

what's the difference between Shimano's Hyperglide HG90 and HG91
chains?  Are they interchangable?


--Brian

brian.blow@medtronic.com
(612) 574-4030
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From: fredrikm@ril.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Fredrik Manne)
Subject: Re: Leverless quick-release
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 07:14:27 GMT


|> >>>
|> >>>Has any manufacturer ever produced leverless quick-release hubs?  I
|> >>>envision something into which you insert a separate lever, possibly
|> >>>even an appropriate sized hex-key, to activate the cam mechanism,
|> >>
|> >Anybody out there got any?  Inquiring minds need to know.
|> 
|> A mind is a terrible thing to waste.  To satiate those minds that are
|> left in the state of inquiry, I shall volunteer that I have one of those
|> gizmos securing my seat post.  I pick it up a couple of years back 
|> to avoid having to remove my seat everytime I park my commuter.
|> The thingy, made by Sansin, is a modified quick release skewer.  
|> The only difference is that the lever can be removed.  
|> 
|> Works very well, btw.  The complete q/r is a bit heavier than the
|> std seatr q/r.  However, with the lever removed and stowed in a save
|> place, the leverless gizmo ended up being the same weight as a std
|> q/r.  BTW, I haven't seen another one since the day I bought it.

I think they are standard equipment on Bridgestone mountain bikes.
At least my MB-3 came with one. Nice idea, but not to reliable, I broke
mine after 5 month of riding. The shop replaced it and it has worked 
since, but I don't realy trust it. 

                                              _______
Fredrik Manne           phn: +47 5 544163   `/_/_|_\_\ `  The Rain In Spain
Dep. of Informatics     fax: +47 5 544199  `     |  oo  `  Falls Mainly In
University of Bergen    room: 4144          `    |  <  `       Bergen.
N-5020 Bergen, Norway   fredrikm@ii.uib.no `  `  J  --  `
From: udizzyd@mcl.ucsb.edu (Mike Schmitt)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: MTB Suspension Fork Opinions Wanted
Keywords: MTB FORKS
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:06:13 GMT

I'd like to get some opinions on suspension forks.  My bike recently went 
under a car in a traffic accident, and presented with an opportunity to
replace the forks, I'd like to go suspension.  Friends have recommended
Rock Shox Mag-20, Manitous, and Fisher.  I'd like opinions on these, as well
as:

-  What kind of geometry change am I looking at?  The bike is a Specialized
   Rockhopper.  (Old, but I like it ... :)
-  Would somebody explain the cutting/measuring that will take place?  I'd
   like to know before I show up at a bike shop looking innocent!
-  What other problems I might have.

Really appreciate it, folks.  Thanks!

Mike
udizzyd@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu
From: sutton@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Rich Sutton)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Avocet 50 altimeter stops working
Date: 14 Oct 92 05:13:57 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Oct13.201520.26953@netcom.com> michaelk@netcom.com (Michael Kronstadt) writes:
>In article <9996@pyrdc.UUCP> mike@pyrdc.UUCP (Mike Whitman) writes:
>>I have a Avocet 50 computer on my road bike that started to flake out yesterday
>>during a training ride. It showes that we did over 5000 ft of climbing in 40
>>miles.
>
>Happened to me last month--solved by a new battery.  (All other
>functions, and the display, were still in good order.)

Mine had the similar symptoms after a heavy rain last summer. The unit also 
showed high speeds. It gradually got better over the next week. Pity, I
miss having the Avocet 50 telling me I'm steadily doing 35 mph while
climbing non-existent hills. Now I have to go out and _work_ for my
speed and climbs.:-)

Incidentally my batteries just went bad. The voltmeter showed one battery
at full strength, the other < 1/3 full strength. Moral: check your batteries,
you may only need to buy one.
From: x3420abo@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: PREVENT RUST!!!
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:19:16 GMT
Reply-To: x3420abo@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: University of Florida - CIRCA

When one purchases a new bike pull the seatpost out and inspect the
inside of the seat tube.  There shouldn't be any rust.  If there is,
don't buy it.  Once the oxidation of a steel frame has begin it 
cannot be stopped without using a chemical treatment.  This treatment
involves a derusting agent which usually means a new paint job.  If there
is no rust in the frame pull the bottom bracket and plug the bb shell.
By way of the seat tube pour lightweight motor oil into the bike and 
turn the bike several times to ensure complete coating of all internal
tubes.  Lastly, pull the "plug" and let the bike drain for approximately
a day.  Understand that frame builders usually recieve their tubesets
with a coat of oil that they must remove before working with the 
tubeset.  Tange tubesets have been known to arrive pre-rusted.  
Renyolds tubesets, quite possibly the best, come oiled.  When I mean
"best"; I'm referring to preparation and shipment of the tubeset.  You
may have your own opinion about the ubiquitous "feel" of the tubeset.
If this oiling process fails, save your money like you should've done
in the first place and buy TITANIUM.
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From: CMSC28@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Mark Hickey)
Subject: Re: 3 Re: Re: 0 Re: caged vs. loose bearings
Organization: Motorola
Date: 8 Oct 1992 10:34:08 CDT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
In article <-205339992@hplred.HP.COM> jbrandt@hplred.HP.COM (Jobst Brandt)
writes:
>>Eric Praetzel writes:
>> Story of my bikes brief fling with life and its one year decline to a
>>  one piece rust structure which has no use for nuts.
>>
>>I don't know what you think is worth telling about your apparent
>>ineptitude in bicycle maintenance.  If the bike is really in the

>  I am glad to see that you are back but not quite happy that I am at te
>end of you whit.

*explanations of a myriad of department store bike failures deleted*

>>I suppose the description of willful neglect isn't enough to prove the
>>case so to make sure, you cite Fred Flintstone's arsenal as your
>>favorite tool.

>  Another wonderfull quote.  I shall treasure this and keep it close tomy
>harddrive.

 <snip> >        I value your experience but pale at the thought of     t of
>what some people think when they fall under your gaze.  The first insul is
>surely enough.  A second tells of the intent of the sender.
>  - Eric

Eric, go easy on poor ol' Jobst... it can't be easy having to go
through life with no sense of humor!

Mark (on your left) Hickey
From: maarrrk@seidel.ucsb.edu (Mark Erickson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Anyone heard of PAaOT
Keywords: japanese bike paaot
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:57:46 GMT
Distribution: usa

dgi@tnds.bellcore.com (Dave Iveson) writes:


>         [cut, snip]                             It never ceases to amaze me
>that some people throw away a 10-speed bicycle which, with a little maintenance
>work and some TLC, is a perfectly good piece of equipment.  Disposable
>10-speeds, what'll they think of next?

The way bike and component manufacturers advertise new "breakthroughs," 
"improvements," etc. quite regularly, and if you read the bike mags
you're bombarded with all the new, "better" stuff out there.  It is
no wonder to me that people toss old bikes that are still quite
servicable....

--maarrrk
From: gecko@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: I need advice with my MTB brake cables...
Date: 16 Oct 1992 20:49:49 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

Actually, there is a reason for avoiding the single cable connection on
cant. brakes: imagine what would happen if your brake cable broke or slipped
off.  The cant. brakes would spread and stretch the single cable out, causing
contact with the tire.  That would be nasty.

Kellar.
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From: dk3uz@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Edmund Ramm)
Subject: Re: Oops...Michelin tire width confusion
Organization: Point of Presence & MCS Hamburg
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:43:12 GMT


   The 'final' tyre width depends on the width of the rim onto which the
tyre gets mounted.

   While we are on the topic of tyre sizes, can anyone tell me, why 27"
tyres are of a bigger diameter than their 28" brethren?

   cu, Eddi

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From: Chris.Alexander@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Chris Alexander)
Subject: Building up a frame
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:09:44 GMT

	I'm thinking of buying a used frame and building it up with new compo-
nents. The problem is, I'm not sure how long this will take, and how many 
extra tools I'll need to buy to do this. Would most bike shops be able to
build up the frame for me? If so, would it be cheaper to do this myself? I
do know something about maintaining bikes, and I have a few books on the
subject, but I'm not sure how easy it would be to do build up a frame from
scratch. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

-Chris
chris.alexander@bbs.oit.unc.edu

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Subject: RFD: rec.crafts.metalworking
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