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From: petri@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (HOWARD PETRI)
Subject: Winter Soaring
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: petri@venus.iucf.indiana.edu
Organization: INDIANA U. CYCLOTRON FACILITY, BLOOMINGTON, IN
Distribution:  world
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:59:48 GMT

     Well, early tomorrow AM I'm outta here for some "winter soaring".
That is, more correctly, soaring during the winter I guess. I leave
for Florida with my Pegasus in tow where I will spend Christmas with
my family and fly the Pegasus at Seminole Lake Gliderport. Hopefully
winter will not follow me in my footsteps and I will be able to do
a lot of soaring. Previous years have been pretty good during the
Christmas season. There is also a warbird airshow at Kissimee airport
the weekend between Christmas and new Years which is well worth seeing.
So if any of you are down there and venture over to Seminole look me up.
Otherwise best wishes for the holiday season.

Howard
Pegasus  (EJ)
From: dmcmilla@djm.cs.gmr.com (Don McMillan CS 50)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: Re: SSA BBS DOMAIN
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:07:44 GMT
Reply-To: dmcmilla@djm.cs.gmr.com (Don McMillan CS 50)


In article <336.1.uupcb@ssa.org>, guy.byars@ssa.org (Guy Byars) writes:
|> 
|>   The domain for the Soaring Society of America is now operational.
|> It is:
|>                        @SSA.ORG
|> 
|> It can be used to send Email to a user of the SSA's new BBS.  The format
|> of the address is:
|> 
|>                         firstname.lastname@ssa.org
|> 
|> If you have any questions or comments you can _NOW_ Email me at:
|> 
|>                         guy.byars@ssa.org
|> 
|>                                                             gfb
|>                                                                      

and can you give us the net address (my name server doesn't know about
you)

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From: mam@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com (Mark A. Matthews)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: Re: BBS FOR THE SSA
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:54:03 GMT
Followup-To: rec.aviation.soaring
Organization: Grass Valley Group
NNTP-Posting-Host: blottobox.gvg.tek.com


>[...]                                                           It also
>has Email capability and a registered domain "ssabbs.org".  This domain
>is currently being registered so DON'T SEND MAIL TO IT YET. [...]

Argh!  Is it too late to request "ssa.org"?  Using "ssabbs.org" seems like
an invitation to further maintenance headaches  The bbs portion of the name
seems like too much information is the organization name.

-Mark
From: matylonj@ccmail.orst.edu (John C. Matylonek)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: Re: {hand,para}gliding in Honolulu and Philadelphia?
Summary: Hang-gliding, paragliding
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:59:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: ccmail.matylonj.3.0
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oregon State University Libraries
NNTP-Posting-Host: standdx13.kerr.orst.edu

In article <T45TBWXF@cc.swarthmore.edu> hirai@cc.swarthmore.edu (Eiji Hirai) writes:
>From: hirai@cc.swarthmore.edu (Eiji Hirai)
>Subject: {hand,para}gliding in Honolulu and Philadelphia?
>Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1992 01:17:16 GMT
>I'm a complete novice with no flying experience whatsoever. :-(
>
>Are there any handgliding or paragliding clubs near the Philadelphia area or
>Honolulu area?  I live in the Philadelphia area but I'll be visiting my
>parents in Honolulu this month.
>
>I'd really like to find out how and where I can get some instructions and
>guidance in paragliding (or even handgliding - though that seems harder for
>a complete novice - is that true?).  This struck me as a dream-come-true
>sport when I first found out about it!  I can't wait to learn! :-)
>
>--
>hirai@cc.swarthmore.edu (Eiji Hirai)    :     :    :   :  : :: ::: :::: :::::
>Unix Geek for Swarthmore College        :     :    :   :  : :: ::: :::: :::::
>Information Services, Swarthmore, PA, US.       Copyright 1992 by Eiji Hirai.
>I don't speak for Swarthmore College.                    All Rights Reserved.

Hirai:

Call Bill Umstadtt at (215) 527 1687. The Windrider's Hang gliding club's 
training hill is just west of West Chester so you are in an ideal location to
learn! You'll probably have to wait for better weather considering the 
national weather reports. But who knows? Incidently, Bill only teaches Hang 
gliding and yes Hang gliding is a bit more difficult yet the rewards are all
the more satisfying. Also considering that there are few appropiate sites
for paragliding near Philadelphia the Hang gliding route would be more
convienent for varied flying experiences (different locals, conditions)

John Matylonek
matylonj@ccmail.orst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
From: robert@eowyn.inmos.co.uk (Robert Simpson)
Subject: Re: Wave in the UK 13th December
Organization: INMOS Limited, Bristol, UK
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:45:06 GMT

At the Bristol & Gloucestershire GC at Nympsfield, several of
us managed to get to 6000 - 7000 feet amsl. The wave is usually
much better towards the west with pilots from the Black Mountains GC
often soaring to 20000 feet or more. Strangely though, I heard
very few reports from there on Saturday and those I did hear were only
claiming 3000 or 4000 feet. The wind down here wasn't particularly strong
(15 - 20 kts max), even at altitude and for the wave to reach Nympsfield
in these conditions is fairly rare.

Robert Simpson


UK Glider Pilot (Std Jantar EKK)

email robert@inmos.com
From: guy.byars@ssabbs.org (Guy Byars) 
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: RE: BBS FOR THE SSA
Date: 15 Dec 92 11:47:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Soaring Society of America's BBS (513)-871-7720
Reply-To: guy.byars@ssabbs.org (Guy Byars) 

-> If it is necessary for the BBS to be an addressable entity, it should
-> be subordinate to the umbrella organization.  (E.g., bbs.ssa.org)  I
-> agree with Mark--naming the second-level domain address "ssabbs"
-> seems error-prone and very short-sighted.

  Perhaps I am missing something here, but I don't see how the domain
name of ssabbs is prone to errors.  Moreover, I don't see how it is
short sighted either.

  Given the way infoserv processes mail, bbs.ssa.org wasn't possible.  I
chose SSABBS because it is the most descriptive.  ssabbs implies the
mail has come from someone logging into the bbs, which most anyone can
do.  As opposed to someone who is employed by the ssa itself.

  Perhaps I am missing something else, but I really don't see what the
fuss is about.

                                                Guy Ford Byars (11)
From: eonu11@castle.ed.ac.uk (R Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: Wanted: Gliding sites near Omaha, Nebraska
Date: 13 Dec 92 15:32:01 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Edinburgh University

I will be in Omaha, Nebraska from Dec 16th to Jan 7th. I know of one
operation that used to fly from Freemont, but I don't know any phone #s.
Does anyone know of any gliding sites going through the winter there?
Also if anyone knows anyphone numbers, please e-mail me.
Thanks, Ronan Murphy.
From: flanagan@niagara.Tymnet.COM (Dick Flanagan)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: Re: BBS FOR THE SSA
Date: 13 Dec 92 04:41:21 GMT
Organization: Libelle Productions, Minden, Nevada, USA

In article <312.1.uupcb@ssa.com> guy.byars@ssa.com (Guy Byars) writes:
>
>  I am pleased to announce that the Soaring Society of America how has
>its own Bulletin Board.  It is currently running in a development mode
>and will be announced in Soaring Magazine early next year.
>
>[...]                                                           It also
>has Email capability and a registered domain "ssabbs.org".  This domain
>is currently being registered so DON'T SEND MAIL TO IT YET.  I'll post
>when you can use that domain.

What is the difference between the domains ssa.com and ssabbs.org?  Will
the SSA HQ be available via e-mail?  If so, via which domain?

Dick
-- 
Dick Flanagan, CFII-G                               Grob Speed Astir "DY"
Libelle Productions, Minden, NV                     MCI Mail: 412-2140
Voice/FAX:  +1 702 782 8644                         GEnie:    FLANAGAN
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: World Class glider contest.
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 04:37:08 GMT
Organization: School of Maths and Info Sciences, Massey University, NZ.

I haven't heard much about the proposed World Class gliders, so
I thought I would share this from Decembers Sailplane Builder magazine.
The press release was dated October, so if anyone has more recent info
I'd like to hear it.

Summary of the press release World Class Glider Competition

Seven prototypes were evaluated in the World Class Design and Prototype
Competition on October 4 at Oerlinghausen, Germany. The competition is
for a glider design suitable for use by soaring pilots, and perhaps for
World Championships and future Olympic Games.

L-33 "Solo"
An all metal T tail glider, 14 meter wingspan. Empty weight 217kg. 
Max weight 340kg. Sprung main wheel. From LET, the Blanik 
manufacturers in Czechoslovakia.

PZL 51-2
This glider is a slight modification of the PZL 51-1 "Junior" which has
been in production for some time. It is a T tail glass/epoxy glider with 
a 15 meter wingspan. Empty weight 230kg. Max weight 342kg. (This is the 
most conventional of the gliders in the competition. A very nice looking
glider.) From PZL in Poland. 

"Velino"
A high wing, T tail glider with a flat wrap canopy. It has a 12 meter 
wingspan. Empty weight 159kg. Max Weight 280kg. The prototype is glass/
epoxy and PVC foam. Production models would use aluminium extrusions for
the wing D section and foam with a light aluminium skin for the rest of
the wing. The horizontal tail would be similar. (This is a nice looking
glider and my personal favourite. I really like the attempt at making
the glider cheaper to construct. Maybe I could afford one.) From Italy.

PW-5
A high wing, low tail glass/epoxy and PVC foam glider with a 13.5 meter 
wingspan. This glider is the only one of the seven with a nose wheel.
The fuselage is a modified pod and boom. Empty weight 166kg. Max weight 
280kg. (Another nice looking Polish glider.) From the Warsaw University of
Technology.

"Cygnet"
A high wing glider with a mid fin horizontal stabilizer and elevator. The 
wingspan is 13 meters. The design weight was 139kg but the prototype
was 240kg. Construction is aluminium, steel tube and non structural
glass/epoxy. This glider was not flown in the contest. From the USA.

Russia 1
A mid wing T tail glider. The wing is swept forward. Empty weight 100kg.
Max weight 215kg. Glass/epoxy construction. 11 meter wing span.
This glider was not flown in the contest due to a structural weakness
in the spoiler actuator.

Russia 2
Similar to Russia 1, but larger. Empty weight 120.5kg, including 8.5kg to
fix a C of G problem found during testing. Max weight 240kg. Wing span 
12.6 meters.

The article in the magazine had 3 view drawings and a lot more info,
I have summarised very briefly. All errors and ommisions are mine...etc.

        Philip Plane      __|__     P.J.Plane@massey.ac.nz
       --------------------( )--------------------
      Glider pilots have no visible means of support
From: gaijin@ale.Japan.Sun.COM (John Little - Nihon Sun Repair Depot)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: Re: (Para)gliding sites in EUROPE? Paragliding FAQ?
Date: 21 Dec 1992 04:17:41 GMT
Organization: Nihon Sun Microsystems - Atsugi Technical Centre - JAPAN.
NNTP-Posting-Host: ale.japan.sun.com
Keywords: FAQ, etc.

% 
%  There's a slight chance I'll be taught the art of paragliding
%  this summer. Therefore I'd like to read anything related to it, 
%  as well as sites in Europa that are worth visiting, 
%  
%  Rowdy Blokland, 
% 

Rowdy,

   The Hang-Gliding mailing  list includes  P/G folks too,  and there  are
   several people who contribute  from Europe.  To  get yourself added  to
   the list, send email to:- hang-gliding-request@virginia.edu.

   You might like to try getting  hold of one of the Air-Sports  magazines
   published in Europe.  "Drachenflieger" is published in German.   "Cross
   Country" is  published  in English,  French  and Japanese  (and  covers
   Hang-Gliding and Ultralight as well as P/G).  You should be able to get
   both in  North  America from  Muller  Hang Gliding  (Alberta,  Canada),
   Phone/FAX: (403) 932-6760.

   If you're going to be taking lessons in a foreign language that  you're
   not fully fluent in (a situation I can relate to!!) then I would advise
   you to get hold of one of the "how to..." type books well in advance of
   starting, so that you're familiar with what is going on.  Unfortunately
   I only know of English-Language books offhand:-


		Touching Cloudbase - Currer & Cruikshank  (U.K. flying)
		Paragliding Flight - Dennis Pagen
		Wills Wing Paragliding Training Manual
				   - Mike Mier

   All of the above (plus, of course, the magazine) are available from:-

	Paragliding (The Magazine)
	3314 West 11400 South,
	South Jordan,
	Utah 84065.

	Phone: (801) 254-7455
	  FAX: (801) 254-7701

   Or from:

	Sky Systems. 
	Nr Brighton.
	England.

	Phone: (44) 273 857700
	  FAX: (44) 273-857722


                           Have fun!!

          ------------------------------------------------
         |      John Little     | Nihon Sun Microsystems  |
         | gaijin@Japan.Sun.COM | Atsugi, Kanagawa, Japan |
          ------------------------------------------------ 

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  | John Little  - gaijin@Japan.Sun.COM  - Sun Microsystems. Atsugi, Japan | 
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Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
From: gamiddle@math.uwaterloo.ca (Guy Middleton)
Subject: Re: Re : Winter Gliding
Organization: University of Waterloo Software Liberation Army
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1992 20:02:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec8.170328.15294@newton.ccs.tuns.ca> gillisad@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Allan D. Gillis) writes:
> We were going to try some ridge flying this week but just got dumped on.  We
> have about 20 cm of snow on the ground.  Has anyone flown out of a field with
> that much snow?

I think it depends on how clear you can get your runway.  Around here, it
never gets really cold, so our (grass) strip is mud all winter, and snow
makes it worse.  I used to fly with a club in Thunder Bay, where they have
real winters, and one maniac once went flying in the middle of winter, but
the runway was hard-packed snow.  I wouldn't try it myself.
From: gcw@castle.ed.ac.uk (G Watson)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: Re: Wave in the UK 13th December
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:17:37 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University


Unfortunately I don't have any Meteosat pictures of the U.K for the 13th
of December. I do have some low resolution polar orbiting images, but
the detail is not good enough to discern any wave features.

I do have an excellant Meteosat image for the day after - 14th December,
in this image the wave bars can be seen extending almost continuously 
from the SW of Ireland across almost halfway to Norway !, although the
wind was considerably stronger than on the 13th.

You can get this image via ftp to cumulus.met.ed.ac.uk , it's in /misc
and called wave_14.12.92.gif , in gif format.


I only got to 2800' at Portmoak !!


Gordon.


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                          Scotland.                   /  /  /  /     
  JANET - G.C.Watson@uk.ac.ed   INTERNET - gcw@met.ed.ac.uk  
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Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
From: rlarsen@bnr.ca (Richard Larsen P220)
Subject: Re: Winter gliding
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:47:13 GMT

I have heard of gliderports that roll over the snow with a heavy roller
to pack the snow. this makes a hard smooth surface to fly from.

When there is snow don't expect thermals unless there are lakes or
ponds nearby that haven't frozen over. They are warmer than the
surrounding air and may produce thermals. If you have mountains 
nearby hope for wave. If you are near the ocean I don't know
if you will get a front from the ocean.
From: wsbusr3@rw6.urc.tue.nl (Pieter Filius)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: (Para)gliding sites in EUROPE? Paragliding FAQ?
Keywords: FAQ, etc.
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:17:55 GMT
Reply-To: wsbusr3@urc.tue.nl


  Hello ppl, 
 
  There's a slight chance I'll be taught the art of paragliding
  this summer. Therefore I'd like to read anything related to it, 
  as well as sites in Europa that are worth visiting, 
  renting/training/hotel-prices, 
  personal experiences, 
  stages to go through, 
  and whatever you feel like sharing! 
  
  Also a FAQ of this group would be welcome, 
  or a reference to some good ftp-sites / BBS's (as the SSA one)
  that relate to (para)gliding.
 
  Thanks in advance!
 
  With kind regards, 
  Rowdy Blokland, 
  The Netherlands.
 
  Responses please to:  at073@cleveland.freenet.edu
  or just to this group.

Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
From: uh311ae@sunmanager.LRZ-Muenchen.DE (Henrik Klagges)
Subject: PG winter flying in the UK (ridges)
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:42:53 GMT


Hello,
I am looking for a ridge (maybe coastal) site in the UK that would
also work in the winter. I'd really need a bit of airtime again.
Note: I am looking for a paraglider site - so any large grassy ridge
with reliable 15mph (not over 22mph) winds will do.

Thank you,
Henrik
(henrik@robots.ox.c.uk)
From: guy.byars@ssa.org (Guy Byars) 
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: RE: BBS FOR THE SSA
Date: 14 Dec 92 00:06:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Soaring Society of America's BBS (513)-871-7720
Reply-To: guy.byars@ssa.org (Guy Byars) 


-> What is the difference between the domains ssa.com and ssabbs.org?
-> Will the SSA HQ be available via e-mail?  If so, via which domain?

  The domain ssa.com has nothing to do with the Soaring Society of
America.  That domain is registered to Software Systems Associates.
The domain for the SSA's BBS will be either ssa.org or ssabbs.org,
probably the latter.  However, it is still being registered so do not
mail to it yet.  I will announce what it will be and when it is
available.

  FYI: The domain registration agency indicated that the .com
would not apply to the SSA because it is a non-profit organization.

  Will the SSA HQ be available via e-mail?  Hopefully so, however since
this is a new service, some time will be required to establish the best
way to use it and also to allow the SSA HQ get comfortable with it.

The benifit of Email on this BBS is that it gives email capability
to SSA members who otherwise would not have it.  As the BBS carries
rec.aviation.*, private responses to posts is needed.

                                        Guy Ford Byars (11)
                                                                    
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
From: dick@hpqtdmba.sqf.hp.com (Dick Middleton)
Subject: Re: Wave in the UK 13th December
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 08:49:27 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard LTD, South Queensferry, Scotland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL7]

Mike Cohler (cohler@vxcrna.cern.ch) wrote:
: Yesterday, the was considerable wave activity in the northern UK.
: Any reports of wave elsewhere in the UK please ?? 

At Portmoak we had a wave day. It was not brilliant and very little
cross-country was done, if any. There was a report of 11,000' over Perth and
several went to 8000-9000 but most found themselves stuck at 5000-6000. The
wave faded during the afternoon.


The radio indicated a lot of activity at Milfield but I didn't hear any
interesting heights. It also produced what an officious sounding "Aboyne
glider circling over Balmoral" :-) call so there was obviously some activity
up there as well.

Dick
dick@hpsqf.hp.com
Dick Middleton, Hewlett-Packard, South Queensferry, West Lothian, Scotland, UK
From: flanagan@niagara.Tymnet.COM (Dick Flanagan)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: Re: BBS FOR THE SSA
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:57:07 GMT
Organization: Libelle Productions, Minden, Nevada, USA

In article <mam-141292175058@blottobox.gvg.tek.com> mam@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com (Mark A. Matthews) writes:
>>[...]                                                           It also
>>has Email capability and a registered domain "ssabbs.org".  This domain
>>is currently being registered so DON'T SEND MAIL TO IT YET. [...]
>
>Argh!  Is it too late to request "ssa.org"?  Using "ssabbs.org" seems like
>an invitation to further maintenance headaches  The bbs portion of the name
>seems like too much information is the organization name.

If it is necessary for the BBS to be an addressable entity, it should
be subordinate to the umbrella organization.  (E.g., bbs.ssa.org)  I
agree with Mark--naming the second-level domain address "ssabbs" seems
error-prone and very short-sighted.

Dick
-- 
Dick Flanagan, CFII-G                               Grob Speed Astir "DY"
Libelle Productions, Minden, NV                     MCI Mail: 412-2140
Voice/FAX:  +1 702 782 8644                         GEnie:    FLANAGAN
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
From: allanh@netcom.com (Allan N. Hessenflow)
Subject: info on SkySoaring in Hollister?
Keywords: question
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:11:33 GMT

Does anyone know what's happening with Sky Soaring?  Their phone number which
used to have an answering machine on it saying they were trying to start
operating in Hollister has been disconnected.

allan

-- 
Allan N. Hessenflow       allanh@netcom.com
From: guy.byars@ssa.com (Guy Byars) 
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: BBS FOR THE SSA
Date: 12 Dec 92 17:37:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Soaring Society of America's BBS
Reply-To: guy.byars@ssa.com (Guy Byars) 


  I am pleased to announce that the Soaring Society of America how has
its own Bulletin Board.  It is currently running in a development mode
and will be announced in Soaring Magazine early next year.

  I have setup the BBS for the SSA and am "acting" sysop during the
development period.  When this development period is complete, it will
then move to the main SSA office in Hobbs.  It is now located in
Cincinnati OH and the number is (513)-871-7720.  It is running PCBoard
14.5.  It has all the standard bulletin board features.  It also has an
internet feed so it carries rec.aviation.* in its conferences.  It also
has Email capability and a registered domain "ssabbs.org".  This domain
is currently being registered so DON'T SEND MAIL TO IT YET.  I'll post
when you can use that domain.

  I would welcome any feedback on how this service could be made better.
Please feel free to try it out. (And maybe even upload an article!)
Until the domain is fully registered, you can contact me at my "day"
job:  feguy@cvg.sdrc.com

                                Guy Ford Byars (11)