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From: sm@celts.West.Sun.COM (Steve Mallard)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Why hockey isn't popular in the U.S. (
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:16:39 GMT
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> Soccer - I rest my case. There are few sports with more similarities than
> hockey and soccer in the United states.


I agree. As a newcomer to the US, desperately missing quality soccer, I'm getting hooked on hockey. Of the "big 4" American sports, it's the only one which rivals the flow + excitement of pro soccer.

To my question : anybody recommend a good guide to the rules of hockey ?

I'm getting lost amongst the finer points of offside, icing etc.

Thanks for your help.
SM
From: shayne@cs.mcgill.ca (Lydia Mancini)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Bruins playing over their heads.
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:41:00 GMT
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <1g3bj7INNbj6@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> chrisl@balsam.ppc.ubc.ca (Chris Lynch) writes:

>I really think so called "Hab Haters" don't always cheer for
>the B's. 

Sorry, but he's right. Most of them go for the Bruins.

I know lots of them who cheer for other teams but
>always get satisfaction when Montreal loses. (especially
>to the SENATORS) I could go on for hours as to why the 
>Habs and their fans are a tough team to stomach, but I'd hate
>to give Hab fans the laugh I got from your post. :-)


It WAS a joke (At least that's the way I feel).

But obviously, you didn't see the a previous post on the Bruins
and read the prediction report about how Montreal was going to fall 
flat on their face again.

It's just a taste of their own bad medicine - and it's about time.

>
>Chris

>
>Hey, I realize some Hab fans are civil fans (I even know 
>some :), but this post highlighted why I cringe everytime 
>someone tells me they like Montreal......

Most of us ARE civilised. Too bad I can't say the same for Bruins 
fans.

I apologize if I have offended any ADULT fans, but I call them as I
see them. The majority of Bruins fans I've come into contact with
over the years have acted like a bunch of children.


-- Lydia
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From: stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber)
Subject: Re: No. of games ...
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:21:46 GMT

In article <11DEC92.20103230.0082@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, B7O2@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA (B7O2) writes:
> Hmmm. ... I doubt anybody has said anything yet on this, so...
> Does anybody have any idea how many games will be tacked on to
> the NHL season afte rthe additon of the Anaheim Mighty Ducks
> (this has to be a joke ... right?) and Miami? Does this mean
> the Stanley Cup will be decided in mid or late June? If so ...
> yay. I'll finally get to enjoy an NHL playoff without finals
> getting in the way.
> 
> Julian

The Stanley Cup finals will now be held during the first week
of training camp.  Seeing as the Penguing may in fact show up
for a few more, one has to wonder:  How many people can the front
office fit into the Mount Lebanon Ice Arena before it becomes
the Mount Lebanon wading pool?  Even if it moved to the Igloo,
the teams would have to play on artificial turf (this being if 
the city ever gets its act together and gets a soccer team -- we
miss Stan the Fran!)

Later.
HO HO FRAGGIN' HO!
Kevin Stamber
Purdue University

COWHER POWER!
From: stocki@cs.tu-berlin.de (Andreas Stockmeier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: German Hockey Results (game #28)
Date: 19 Dec 1992 12:45:57 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
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Game #28 (12/11/92):

EHC Eisbaeren Berlin - EV Landshut  3-5 (2-3,1-0,0-2)
Koelner EC - BSC Preussen Berlin    1-3 (0-0,0-1,1-2)
EC Ratingen - Duesseldorfer EG      1-3 (0-1,0-1,1-1)
EHC Freiburg - ERC Schwenningen     5-3 (1-2,1-0,3-1)
Mannheimer ERC - ESV Kaufbeuren     0-3 (0-2,0-0,0-1)
Krefelder EV - EC Hedos Muenchen    3-1 (0-0,2-1,1-0)
-- 
Andreas Stockmeier stocki@cs.tu-berlin.de  stocki@tub.UUCP
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From: MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF)
Subject: Re: Anaheim and Miami. WHY?!!
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 13:39:26 GMT
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In <farenebt.724080071@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu writes:

> The subject line says it all. You've got places like Milwaukee,
> Hamilton, Seattle, etc and they choose Southern California and 
> Southern Florida! Despite the change in leadership, apparently
> the same dolts are calling the shots. Also, this is so inane to
> believe but i heard the Anaheim team would be called the "Mighty
> Ducks". I thought this new leadership was supposed to bring the
> game MORE credibility...
> [sigh]

Easy:

1) With the ridiculous $50 million price tag, any ownership group will have to
be stupid (Ottawa and Tampa) or incredibly rich and/or stupid (Anaheim, Miami).
Anyway, the NHL can't afford to turn down applicants that accept the financial
terms - otherwise there won't be any expansion teams at all.

2) While Miami and Anaheim (like Ottawa and Tampa Bay before them) are somewhat
unlikely choices, there is no denying that the league will get a lot more
exposure in the South by adding these two. I would be surprised if the NHL
doesn't get a modestly-priced national TV contract after this, especially
considering how expensive pro baseball, football and basketball have become.

3) The existing owners (especially Bruce McNall of the Kings) get a lot of
money from the new kids on the block, which isn't a bad thing after all.

4) Milwaukee & co. need not worry either. I would be very surprised if all four
of the new teams (Ottawa, Tampa, Miami, Anaheim) survive in their current
markets. However, the league will not suffer as long as there are
countless cities in the North without teams. For example, the Pettit family
could buy the Whalers for a bargain $30 million or so and move the team to
Milwaukee. If expansion fails, there still will be a 26-team-league - but with
teams in Seattle, Milwaukee or Indianapolis instead. Even Hamilton might
someday get a team, although I hope they won't.


> ========================================================================
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From: hp@mdavcr.mda.ca (Hossein Parandeh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Thomas Steen over the hill???
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:04:54 GMT
Organization: MacDonald Dettwiler, 13800 Commerce Parkway, Richmond, BC, Canada  V6V 2J3

In article <1992Dec14.195129.18051@wam.umd.edu> mstern@wam.umd.edu (Michael Stern) writes:
>
>It would appear that Steen's better days are behind him.  And considering
>the recent infusion of youth and talent in Winnipeg (i.e. Zhamnov, Tkachuk,
>Selanne, Davydov), a retirement party may soon be in order.

You must be kidding, Steen can be a valueable player to any expansion team,
(including Ottawa and Tampa).
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From: kester@mte.ncsu.edu (Dan Kester)
Subject: Re: The Miami ???? vs the Anaheim ?????
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:35:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.215640.24364@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>
golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>In article <BzBKnu.J3v@encore.com> jlundy@bilbo.encore.com (Joe Lundy) writes:
>>There is some local speculation on the name of the new team down here:
>>
>>The Miami Panthers
>>
>>This was a name that Huizenga favored for the baseball team, but couldn't use
>>due to some conflict.
>>
>>As long as they don't use an abstract noun (Heat) I'll be happy.
>>
>
>Is the Florida panther black?
>
>Gerald
>
	Not sure, but you have the wrong type of animal.  See, they must choose a
water animal for their mascot, and use aqua as the main color, like they do for
the Dolphins and Marlins.  The symbol must also show the animal jumping out of
the water.  How about the Miami Tuna Fish?  Any other ideas out there?  

	As a native of Buffalo I already hate their team, and I hope they end up in
our division so we can pound them like the Bills do the Fish!



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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: Official Expansion: Anaheim and Miami - No Joke
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:04:00 GMT

kcapie@buhub.bradley.edu (Kevin Capie) writes:
>mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger) writes:
>
>>The NHL has announced official plans today to expand into both Anaheim
>>and Miami either for 1993-94 (unlikely) or 1994-95 (likely).
>
>Anahiem is a big mistake.  The Kings had trouble selling tickets before 
>Wayne hit town.  Even though Disney has the money to back it up initially
>the money has to run out sometime.

Not only that, with the demise or SC LA on Dec. 31st there's a rush
for local broadcast time on Prime Ticket ... there's always Disney
Channel 2, I guess (now that the pay channels are multiplexing ...).

>>Possible implications:
>>--Anaheim to the Smythe and Miami to the Norris, moving Toronto 
>>to the Adams.

Does that mean that Winnipeg will have to give up its plane and the
$3 Million after threatening to move to the Norris and withdrawing
that clause?  ...  or will we take $10 Million to move? (-; (-; (-;

gld
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From: smith@phobos.cira.colostate.edu
Subject: Re: The Miami ???? vs the Anaheim ?????
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:39:16 GMT
Reply-To: smith%sol.dnet@sirius.cira.colostate.edu
Organization: Colorado State Univ, CIRA

In article <1992Dec11.170111.20032@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>, cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:
>
>Anyone have any ideas for nicknames for the new teams?
>How about some jokes and some serious ones
>
>The Miami Riot; the Miami Ice; the Miami Old People; the Miami Videos;
>The Miami Transplanted Canadiens; the Miami Olsens (get it? Marlin Olsen)
>
>The Anaheim Lick Manoevers (say it :-); the California Raisins, 
>California Golden Mice
>
>Or how about just calling them both the Rough Riders?
>
>
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How about... Anaheim
             1) Magic Kingdom (nice and nebulous)
             2) Goofys
             3) Real Estate Agents

             Miami
             1) Traffickers
             2) Coral
             3) Tropics
             4) Southiques 


Smitty in Colorado
smith%sol.dnet@sirius.cira.colostate.edu
From: cs_ind45@oswego.Oswego.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Dedicated Bruins Fan?
Date: 17 Dec 92 06:37:41 GMT
Reply-To: cs_ind45@oswego.Oswego.edu ()
Distribution: na
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY
Originator: cs_ind45@cloy.oswego.edu

Help! I am stranded in Upstate New York and have not been able to keep up with
what the hell the Bruins are doing this season.  I can't see any games because
my college is too cheap to carry a channel that carries any....Are there any
Bruins fans out there who can tell me exactly which games were won and lost?
It would be GREATLY appreciated!!
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From: tvorst@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Tommy Che Vorst)
Subject: expansion
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:52:13 GMT

Oh please!  Gerald, you wrote that you didn't think any other sites should
have been considered for NHL expansion.  Did the city of Hamilton (a town
made for pro hockey, if you ask me) suddenly just drop off the face of the
earth?  As to business potential in the south - Hello? Hello?  Are you too
young to remember the California Golden Seals?

Let's NOT forget why McNall is involved in the first place: to make money
$$$.  I don't think I'm naive, but it seems to me that most owners combine
this with a healthy love for the game - McNall wouldn't have recognised a
puck 15 years ago (then again, neither would Gil Stein).

I'm not spouting off from some I Love Canadian Hockey standpoint, either. 
I just think that cities like Hamilton have gone long enough without a
team, and deserve one, having proven themselves capable and worthy. 
Surely, the NHL has not become so one-sidedly a business that there is no
room left for ethics and a sense of loyalty?

Just remeber that if today's rules had applied to the NHL 25 years ago the
NHL would have teams in Cincinatti, Seattle, Milwaukee, (one more in)
Chicago, Dallas, Atlanta, and Baltimore, and there would NOT be teams in
Quebec, Hartford, Ottawa, Edmonton, Calgary, Vancouver, and (dare I say
it?) Winnipeg.

Just my 2c.

Jets Season's Tix for 17 years and counting.....

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From: rgemeinh@reactor.ecn.purdue.edu (Richard A Gemeinhart)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: New Mike Lange-isms
Keywords: penguins
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:48:17 GMT
Followup-To: New Mike Lange-isms
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Dec17.141130.2836@philabs.philips.com> jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio;6442;3.55;) writes:
>In article <4f=sEEq00WBNI3HX0U@andrew.cmu.edu> am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas) writes:
>
>>I know a lot of you are Mike Lange fans so I thought I'd let you know
>>about some of his new stuff.
>
>Some of us think he's an idiot, but that's beside the point...
>

You think Lange is an idiot. Why?  He enjoys brodcasting and truely brings 
flavor to the games that he broadcasts.  He's even a fair judge of hockey;
if the pens are playing badly or if the other team is playing well he points
that out.  Most broadcasters are not half as fair as he.

>>He has a new saying after a Penguin goal:  "How much fried chicken can
>>you eat?"
>
>Seems kinda backwards to me-- given the new Penguins logo, he should
>say that when somebody burns Barrasso for a goal...

the new logo kinda grows on you if you give it a chance.  don't get me wrong I 
don't love it.


Forgive any mistakes I'm learning how to post as I write this.
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From: daniell@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Daniel Lyddy)
Subject: Re: Anaheim and Miami. WHY?!!
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:28:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.110940.24270@abo.fi> MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:
>
>Yeah, no question that Houston would have been better than Anaheim. As you
>said, the league wanted to make sure they got new owners with enough cash to
>remain in the game. Texas could get a team after 1995 if all goes well.
>BTW, what city should it be - Houston or Dallas? I'd choose Houston
>because they've had countless minor-league teams since the 1960s, including the
>short-lived but successful Aeros WHA team. Hockey seems to be a relatively
>unknown sport in the Dallas area.
> 
>MARCU$

I'm not so sure--I was in the Galleria mall in Richardson about ten years ago,
and I was surprised to find that the mall had an open skating rink in its
'plaza' section.  What was more surprising was that the kids and even some g 
adults actually knew how to skate.  I know that since then a few NHL exhibitions
have been played in Dallas to packed houses--some fans even brought signs that
read "NHL in Dallas next" or some such.  Besides, the players in Houston would
spend too much time in jail--after all those bar fights with off-duty Houston
cops :) :).

Dan
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From: e8l6@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Rocket)
Subject: Re: Boston Massacre!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 05:55:04 GMT

In article <farenebt.724272548@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy) writes:
>gen5061@husky1.stmarys.ca writes:
>
>>Just a little note to Tom who obviously does not like Boston/Canadien fans
>>bashing each other.  Please do not read any further!  Otherwise shutup,
>>because this is an appropriate place for those kind of discussions.  Who
>>gave you permission to decide what us hockey fans discuss on rec.sport.hockey?
>
>>	There is only one thing sweeter then beating the Boston Bruins, to
>>a Canadiens fan, and that is slaughtering the Boston Bruins!  Well, I guess
>>winning the Stanley Cup has a nice appeal.  I hope other Montreal fans had
>>half as much satisfaction watching the Boston Massacre as I did.
>
>Guess you guys have been horribly disappointed in 4 of the last
>5 playoffs! Hahahaahahahahahahaha!
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   Who is disapointed? I mean at least we won a cup in the last 10 years.
Can you say the same??? How about the past 20 years???
   Oh well, call me crazy, but when Boston beats Montreal AND wins the cup
we may have something to be dissapointed about. But I doubt it.
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From: p7z092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Anthony Jang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Hot Pens Trade Rumor
Date: 17 Dec 1992 13:56:31 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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Keywords: Probert, Yzerman, Riendeau, Housley, Jagr, Stanton, Wregget

(Lori Iannamico) writes:
>Just heard this rumor.  Sounds pretty interesting.
>
>Bob Probert, Steve Yzerman and Vincent Riendeau to Pgh. for Jagr, Stanton and
>Wregget.  Then the Pens trade Yzerman to Winnipeg for Housley.
>
>I like it.  It's probably not true, though.
I don't like it.  I hope it's not true.  Probert and Yzerman are two of
the biggest players (ie franchise players) Detroit has.  Which brings up
a question.  Why does Bryan Murray always seem to make public trade talks
regarding Yzerman (eg Lindros)?  Wouldn't this just lower Yzerman's morale?
 
>
>Lori

Just my thoughts,
Tony
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From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio;6442;3.55;)
Subject: Lowe's first Ranger game (WAS: Re: Kevin Lowe TRADED!)
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:17:17 GMT

In article <BzCC20.JHv@ccu.umanitoba.ca> ummak027@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Anson Sen Sau Mak) writes:
>Just found that Kevin Lowe was in the NY Rangers tonight at the Sport
>news, but they lost 3-0 to Calgary Flames. Anyone who watch the whole
>game? How's Lowe doing?

Non-stellar start for Lowe.... two minor penalties, but he looked like
he was in decent physical shape.  He didn't stand out on defense at all
to me-- I can't even remember who he was teamed with.

Best set of non-calls in the game:  Lowe was in the box for tripping or
something.  On a line change, the Flames inadvertantly sent six skaters
on the ice, until Theo Fleury realized it and jumped of a couple of
seconds later (blown call #1).  Then, immediately following that, the
Rangers sent Darren Turcotte in on a semi-breakaway, where a Flames
defenseman (I think it was Godynuk) dove and tried to knock the stick
off Turcotte's stick.  He missed, and ended up tripping up Turcotte,
who went flying into the goal (blown call #2).  Turcotte saw that
Koharski hadn't called a penalty and went ballistic-- he stood up while
he was still inside the net, knocking the net off its moorings
intentionally (blown call #3).  Turcotte then skated around Koharski,
jawing at him and banging his stick on the ice, boards, etc.  FINALLY,
Koharski called a penalty on Turcotte for unsportsmanlike conduct.
Well, at least he got one of the four on that play....  I was laughing
my b@!!s off, especially when Sam Rosen and John Davidson were
complaining about this whole series.  Of course, the Flames scored
right after the two-man advantage ended, making me even happier :-}.

-JPC

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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: A Thought re: Latest Expansion
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:14:39 GMT

In article <schmata.724132999@camelot> schmata@camelot.bradley.edu (Peter Stein) writes:
>Like the header says, kids, just a thought. What if the new Commissioner held a
>press conference on Monday to say that the NHL was just kidding about expanding
>to Miami and Anaheim, and that they were going to expand to Hamilton and, say,
>the Seattle-Tacoma area? Ah, but I can dream... =)
>

Somebody should start taking Bill Gates to hockey games...

Gerald
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