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From: pthoms@castle.ed.ac.uk (P Thomson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: GCC2.1 (Wonderful !)
Date: 14 Apr 92 02:20:15 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University


Hi Again, Thought I'd mail and pitch linux again (not that most of
the subscribers here are not already sold =8^) ).


There seem to be some band width about problems with gcc2.1, I would
like to say that after installing it and getting the swap space 
sorted out I've had no problems. In fact running it on 2M bytes memory
4M swap space I managed to compile the best part of 1M byte of source
code this evening (in about 30 minutes) the amount of disk traffic
was not nearly as bad as I thought it might be. The source code was
the empire type game dominion ( I've stuck a bit on the bottom about
were you can find it) and it compiled with the minimum of effort
(1 tweek the makeworld.c file )


So thanks to all concerned, Linux is just so more sexier than dos.

		Peter.

P.S. thanks to the guys whom mailed me with the answers to my 
problems during installation.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
WHAT IS THIS?
-------------
 
This is release of Dominion (version 1.06), a world simulation and
conquest game.  Dominion runs on every version of UNIX on which we
have tested it.
 
The dominion source code is available by anonymous ftp on
max.physics.sunysb.edu [129.49.21.100], in the directory
pub/dominion-version.  For example, to get version 1.06 you would
type:
 
	ftp -i max.physics.sunysb.edu		(or ftp -i 129.49.21.100)
	<log in as "anonymous", with any password you want>
	cd pub/dominion-1.06
	ls
	binary
	mget DOM*
 
The files you will retrieve are "shell archives", so after
uncompressing, you un-bundle them with the Bourne shell.
 
Send bug reports to:
	rosalia@max.physics.sunysb.edu
 
Send flames to /dev/tty :-).
 
Don't forget that this is copylefted free software.  Read the file COPYING.
 
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: ching@brahms.amd.com (Mike Ching)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: directory tree
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:20:38 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices; Sunnyvale, CA


I am just getting Linux installed and would like to use a "standard"
directory tree if possible so that I don't have to edit makefiles
any more than necessary. The installation script creates src and bin
directories in several places and it's not clear what usually goes
in them. Any suggestions?

Mike Ching
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: tm@netcom.com (Toshiyasu Morita)
Subject: mtools (mcopy) problems
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92 11:25:56 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Keywords: mtools mcopy problem help augh

I'm having some problems with mtools, specifically mcopy from tsx-11.mit.edu.
I've created the /etc/mtools file correctly (A /dev/at0, b /dev/PS1, c /dev/
hd4 -16) and mdel, mdir, mcat, etc. work fine except for mcopy.

mcopy does nothing at all - when I type mcopy c:/gcc-1.40/gccinfo.1 gccinfo.1
nothing happens. I can "mcat" the file and I can view it, but I can't
copy it to my Linux directory.

(BTW I'm still running Linux 0.12 if it's relevant.)

Thanks in advance...

Toshi Morita
tm@well.sf.ca.us, tm@netcom.netcom.com
From: zlsiial@uts.mcc.ac.uk (A. V. Le Blanc)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Swapfile vs. Swap partition
Keywords: Swap space
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:46:56 GMT
Followup-To: LeBlanc@mcc.ac.uk
Organization: Computing Centre, University of Manchester

In article <3684@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> rhodes@rhodes.cc.vt.edu (Tim Rhodes) writes:
>I am planning on installing linux this weekend.  I'll have to repartition my  
>hard drive which I plan to do with regular DOS tools.

Be warned that many DOS partitioning tools waste a bit of space in
every partition they allocate.  If you're squeezing the last bytes out
of a disk, don't use an MS-DOS fdisk.

>My question is which is  
>preferable, using a partition for swap space or or a swapfile?

The two are apparently about equivalent, I understand, as far as efficiency.
A swap file is much easier to resize if your needs should change.

>For my setup,  how many partitions should I define?

You need at least one, the root partition.  Most boot methods require
that this be a primary partition (i.e., 1--4).  You may create as many
others as you like, but you'll not need more than one swap partition.

>Also in using a separate partition, the  
>RELNOTEs remark is not clear if I need to make a file system on a swap  
>partition or if the mkswap does it all.

mkswap does it all.

     -- Owen
     LeBlanc@mcc.ac.uk
From: rjm@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Ryan Mitchell)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Newuser help?
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:08:04 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

This may be a really dumb question, so please forgive my ignorance...

I just installed linux on my HD yesterday and now I am interested
in getting gcc and some other programs to use with it.  How do I
go about getting these to my Linux partition?  It's easy enough
to transfer to DOS, but how can Linux access the DOS to move it
over?  It seems that kermit or some other comm program would be
necessary in Linux?

Please e-mail, as I'm still wading through a mess of unread 
articles.

Thanks,
Ryan
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From: rattan@crs.cl.msu.edu ()
Subject: help with back-space key in 0.95c+(boot) and 0.95a(root)!
Followup-To: rattan@crs.cl.msu.edu
Keywords: back-space key, 0.95c+ (boot), 0.95a (root)
Organization: Michigan State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 00:22:01 GMT

i was able to make linux boot on my 386sx (4Mb) and use the root
on floppy. after the login as root it came out that back-space
does not work -- pressing of backspace doesn't move the cursor
and pressing of return sends the buffer as is! also, ^H is echoed
on the screen as is dosen't affect the info in the keyboard buffer.
any pointers will be greatly appreciated.

-->ishwar (rattan@crs.cl.msu.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: chojnows@osiris (Brian Chojnowski)
Subject: Where to get a hold of Linux
Keywords: linux
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:57:41 GMT


	Where can I get ahold of this operating system? And what terms are
there to its use?
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux,comp.unix.bsd,comp.periphs.scsi
From: dje@sspiff.UUCP (Doug Evans)
Subject: Adaptec 1542B vs Bustec 542B
Organization: Edmonton, Alberta
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:57:15 GMT
Followup-To: poster

A dealer has suggested going with the Bustec 542B scsi controller over
the Adaptec 1542B because it's specs are better.

Is this true? What about compatibility problems?

I will be using the controller to drive:
- 1 gig disk
- scsi tape drive (not yet, but eventually)
- cd rom drive (ditto)
on Linux and/or 386bsd.

If you had to choose between the two, which one would you choose?

The Bustec is also a few dollars cheaper, but that's irrelevant (to me).

Please reply via email (Followup-To: poster).
1e6 thanks in advance!
-- 
Doug Evans                   |
..!{canada,uunet}!sspiff!dje | Vancouver 11, Calgary 0
dje@sspiff.UUCP (prefered!)  | There is no joy in Cowtown.
dje@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca     | But how 'bout those Canucks, eh?
From: cheetah@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Bowen Goletz)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: More kernel rebuild problems
Date: 16 Apr 92 05:16:39 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

On a 1.95c+ kernel rebuild with gcc 2.1, with ld from 1.4 (?) and attempting
to link cpp to various binaries that came with gcc 2.1, I get the same
slew of errors:

touch include/linux/config.h
cpp -nostdinc -Iinclude -traditional boot/bootsect.S -o boot/bootsect.s
boot/bootsect.S:2:Junk character 62913608.
boot/bootsect.S:3:Junk character 62913608.
boot/bootsect.S:3:Rest of line ignored. 1st junk character valued 62913592 (!).
boot/bootsect.S:4:Junk character 62913608.
boot/bootsect.S:4:Rest of line ignored. 1st junk character valued 62913592 (!).
boot/bootsect.S:5:Junk character 62913608.
boot/bootsect.S:5:Rest of line ignored. 1st junk character valued 62913592 (!).
boot/bootsect.S:6:Junk character 62913608.
	[ lots of errors removed ]
make: *** [boot/bootsect.s] Error 1

WHAT is going on!?  

I have defined my keyboard and root device, I've used pmake and make, and have
expr.  However, when I rename expr, and have cpp linked to g++, I get a whole 
new slew of errors:

expr: not found
[: syntax error
touch include/linux/config.h
cpp -nostdinc -Iinclude -traditional boot/bootsect.S -o boot/bootsect.s
expr: not found
boot/bootsect.S:1: parse error before `!'
boot/bootsect.S:3: nondigits in number and not hexadecimal
boot/bootsect.S:3: nondigits in number and not hexadecimal
boot/bootsect.S:16: nondigits in number and not hexadecimal
boot/bootsect.S:19: character constant too long
boot/bootsect.S:68: character constant too long
boot/bootsect.S:361: character constant too long
boot/bootsect.S:368: character constant too long
boot/bootsect.S:399: character constant too long
make: *** [boot/bootsect.s] Error 1

HELP!

	-bg
-- 
________________________________________________________________________________
Bowen Goletz
Purdue University                  Midi 'n Music
cheetah@sage.cc.purdue.edu         Bowen.Goletz@f120.n201.z1.Fidonet.Org
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: tselling@peabody.iusb.indiana.edu (Teresa Selling)
Subject: rebuilding kernel & running a comm session at same time problem
Organization: Indiana University at South Bend
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 20:38:47 GMT

I have found that when I am rebuilding the kernel and downloading from
an xcomm session I get constant HD timeout errors from the download session
using rz.

Is this some sort of buffer problem or what?  And is it fixable?

--
Teresa Selling, IUSB, Indiana.
From: torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Benedict Torvalds)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: kernel building problems
Date: 11 Apr 92 09:57:24 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <1992Apr10.162906.21379@ods.com> david@ods.com (David Engel) writes:
>
>Aside to Linus:  Would you mind describing how you have your system set
>up?  It might help aleviate problems like this if we knew which compiler
>and system libraries you are using.

I'm still using 2.0 (and an older version at that) as I've been too busy
to upgrade.  I doubt the HJ-patch is really needed - I read through it,
and I'd guess 0.95c+ should compile pretty cleanly without it.  Anybody
tried it? HJ's patch also assumes you have a 387, and you'll have to
edit the makefile if you don't. 

I'll have to upgrade my compiler (probably this weekend), and the next
real version should have no problems with 2.1.  I'm in fact still using
my original 1.40 for everything but the kernel - I've left the actual
beta-testing of the new compilers and libraries to everyone else, and
I'll step in now that they seem stable.  Lazyness or prudency, you
decide :)

		Linus
From: ajh@uk.co.gec-mrc (Andrew Haylett)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Apology and question
Date: 15 Apr 92 09:22:23 GMT
Organization: GEC-Marconi Research Centre, Great Baddow, UK

9041592@zeppo.cs.su.OZ.AU (Bernard Joseph Gardner) writes:

: Anyway, my real question is with regard to cut and paste using the mouse. Has
: anyone implemented such a beastie? 

Look in patches/selection-1.0.tar.Z on tsx-11 for a package that implements
this, at least for serial mice, I think.  Improved version on the way,
allowing selection by word and line.
-- 
Andrew Haylett       | Inet: ajh@gec-mrc.co.uk   | Fax: +44 245 75244
GEC-Marconi Research | Tel: +44 245 73331 x.3283 | Telex: 995016 GECRES G
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux,alt.os.linux
From: dcuka@cbnewse.cb.att.com (david.a.cuka)
Subject: Re: Large disk partition
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:51:24 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.linux

In article <1992Apr9.154726.9731@spuddy.uucp> sweh@spuddy.uucp (Stephen Harris) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.122049.20594@klaava.Helsinki.FI> torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Benedict Torvalds) writes:
>>There are other fdisks than the linux or dos ones - pfdisk etc is
>
>Obviously, I have pfdisk (from the 95a root disk), but I didn't think this
>could create extended partitions.  I'll recheck though.  Thanks.

I just repartitioned my HD last night.  I used pfdisk to set up the
initial partitions for both DOS and linux.  I used the following
configuration with pfdisk:
	1 6 0 76		# 40Mb
	2 5 77 153		# 40Mb
	3 129 154 230		# 40Mb
	4 129 231 307		# 40Mb

Something was not quite right because DOS formatted the first partition
to 75Mb iso 40Mb.  To solve this, I deleted the 2 DOS partitions with
DOS 'fdisk' and recreated them.  This seemed to work and the C: drive
formatted to the correct size.  I then created a logical drive in the
extended partition and it also formatted correctly.  LINUX happily made
file systems on both /dev/hda3 and /dev/hda4.

In the end, pfdisk works great for linux partitions and DOS fdisk worked
great for the DOS partitions.  One interesting quirk with DOS; I had
to reinstall DOS from my original DOS 5.0 upgrade; even after format/v/s
the C: driver would not boot.  Wierd.

>-- 
>                               Stephen Harris
>               sweh@spuddy.uucp    ...!uknet!axion!spuddy!sweh
>
> * Meeeeow ! Call Spud the Cat on > +44 203 638780 < for free Usenet access *


David Cuka
From: cccstevn@underdog.ucdavis.edu (Steve Ansell)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux Printer
Keywords: linux, printer
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:20:28 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

In article <1992Apr14.143116.25015@cbnewse.cb.att.com> dcuka@cbnewse.cb.att.com (david.a.cuka) writes:
>
>I tried last night to get my parallel printer working with linux.  Based
>on some previous postings, I tried 
>
>	"mknod /dev/lp0 c 6 0"
>
>followed by a test
>
>	"cat /etc/rc > /dev/lp0"
>
>I got a "ENODEV", so I tried using minor device number 1, which did not
>work either.  Is there some addtional setup that I am missing?  I
>am running on v0.95a. The printer is a Panasonic KXP-1024 parallel
               ^^^^^^

Unless you applied the kernel patches yourself (you don't mention it above)
you don't have the lp driver support in the kernel.  You need to get a copy
of v0.95c+ which has the lp driver support in the kernel already.  Once you
have that there shouldn't be much to it other than what you show above.


-- 
                                         	-Steven T. Ansell
                                          	Unix Consultant
                                          	Computing Services U.C.D.
From: hlu@phys1.physics.wsu.edu (Hongjiu Lu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Need help with swapping
Keywords: linux, swap
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:12:55 GMT
Organization: Washington State University

In article <1992Apr15.164748.1658@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de>, Andreas.Mengel@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Andreas Mengel)
|> 	- when I compiled my sources (C++) to object-files and put them together
|> 	  into a library using "ar rc libfoo.a foo1.o foo2.o ..." I was not
|> 	  able to link these libraries to my other sources. ld complained
|> 	  about undeclared symbols in the text-segment but nm showed that all
|> 	  the symbols were in the library. I helped me out creating a shared
|> 	  object (with ld -x -r) and linking that.
|> 	  Any suggestions.
|> 

Use ranlib before linking.

Should that be in FAQ? I thought everybody knows it.


H.J.
From: rdc30@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (LCDR Michael E. Dobson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: tar files on floppy.
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:00:59 GMT
Organization: Naval Medical Research & Development Command

In article <JUH.92Apr13165636@lazy.qt.IPA.FhG.de> juh@qt.IPA.FhG.de (Juergen Henke) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.132029.8256@colorado.edu> drew@caesar.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt) writes:
>
>   When you rawrite to a floppy, you write to the raw device.  The file size,
>   etc are lost, and are not encoded in a compressed file as they 
>   are with a .tar file.  Solutions to this problem are to  :
>
>[...]
>
>I've done this now several times, with GNU-tar (the normal linux tar) it's no
>problem to read a rawritten (:-)) compressed tar from a floppy, just use 
>(for example)
>
>		tar xvZf /dev/PS0
>                      ^
>                      |
>           compress/uncompress option
>
I also just successfully installed a complete 0.95c+/gcc2.1 system via this
method but I used the command line:

	tar xvpz </dev/PS0

I am just about finished with linking everything in 2.1shared-A.tar.Z with
shared libs and symlinking into /usr/bin.  A word of caution, DON'T use
shared libs or symlinks on anything in /bin or /etc if / and /usr are on
different partitions.  They won't work until /usr is mounted.  Keep a good
bootimage floppy and root floppy handy just in case.

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From: ching@brahms.amd.com (Mike Ching)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux Drivers and Kernel question.
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:34:23 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices; Sunnyvale, CA

In article <hapj04k@lynx.unm.edu> techs@triton.unm.edu (Erik Fichtner) writes:
>Is there an ethernet driver in the works?  along with patches to ka9q to
>make ethernet work? 
>
Does a hardware independant approach like the DOS packet drivers make
sense for Linux? Any hope that the existing packet drivers can be used
with a protected mode widget like the one for Windows?

Mike Ching
(not a kernal hacker yet)
Xref: sparky comp.os.linux:427 alt.os.linux:2493
From: dingbat@diku.dk (Niels Skov Olsen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Keyboard dies when I hit Caps-Lock (+SCSI)
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:19:58 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

I wrote:

>Following keys gives TOTAL lock up but with Linux stil running:
>	Pause
>	Scroll Lock (gives a task-info)
>	Caps Lock
>	Num Lock

Clarification: Everything keep running but it seems as if the
wiring of the keyboard interrupt to the service routine is
being broken after one of these keys are hit.

Niels
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: zhao@unixg.ubc.ca (Jiansheng Zhao)
Subject: bootlin.com (boot linux from HD) works well!
Keywords: linux, harddisk, boot
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:48:19 GMT

Thanks to coutant@imag.imag.fr, now I can boot linux from my
hard drive (dev/hdb2) directly. I used mutiple config.sys files and left
autoexec.bat empty when booting linux. There is only one line needed in
config.sys file:
SHELL=c:\bootlin.com c:\etc\boot95c (boot image file).

I used to have boot-image floppy handy when starting linux, not any more.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: hlu@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Hongjiu Lu -- Graduate Student)
Subject: Re: gcc 2.1 woes
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 06:42:51 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.045059.27911@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> news@solitary.Stanford.EDU (System test) writes:
>I just installed gcc 2.1 and much to my chagrin can't get it to work.
>I followed the instructions: removed all vestiges of 1.4, detarred, and
>ran the script.  But when I try to compile a simple test program I
>get an error from ld that crt0.o is missing from /usr/lib/shared.  And 

Very strange. Is inst2.x broken? At least, I can install it. Please do
a

	sh -v inst2.x

There should be symbolic link from /usr/shared/lib/crt0.o to
/usr/lib/shared/crt0.o.

>indeed that link is missing. If I run gcc with the -static switch an
>executable is created but it will not run.
>

Are you using new ld and old kernel? If you are, read FAQ.

>Does anyone have a guess what I might have done wrong? 
>
>Don Taber
>news@solitary.stanford.edu
>dbt@sybil.risc.rockwell.com

H.J.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: hagan@ee.ualberta.ca (Daniel Hagan)
Subject: init, respawn
Reply-To: hagan@ee.ualberta.ca (Daniel Hagan)
Organization: University of Alberta Electrical Engineering
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:01:58 GMT

1.	I would like to know if there is a version of the init program which supports  the standard system V inittab format (i.e.  states, labels, run levels, actions ) which exists for linux or which can be ported to linux.
2.	Is it possible to defragment a linux partition
3.       Relating to (1), is there a simple way of permanently  allowing a login through a modem attached to a serial port.

	Any help or pointers to these questions would be greatly appreciated since I am new to the unix world.
	Thanks,
			Daniel
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: david@ods.com (David Engel)
Subject: Re: tar files on floppy.
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 01:12:18 GMT

zlsiial@uts.mcc.ac.uk (A. V. Le Blanc) writes:
: For larger files, it would be best to split them up, copy them over
: on separate floppies, and concatenate them, that is, assuming that
: you have no DOS partition on your Linux machine.  Unfortunately I
: cannot point you to any standard utility running on DOS which would
: do this painlessly.  I did this once with a GNUish DOS dd, which I
: found in the anonymous ftp at, I believe, grape.ecs.clarkson.edu.

I have a version of tar (really pax) which can read and write standard,
multi-volume, Unix tar-files on floppy.  I think it's available on Simtel
(and mirrors) ... Yep, it is.  Look for pax2exe.zip in the filutl area.

David
-- 
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david@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081
From: hns@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Henning Spruth)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: linux available from ftp.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:00:25 GMT

For ftp users in germany, linux is available by anonymous ftp
from ftp.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de in directory
/pub/linux.

This directory contains a (small) subset of the files in
tsx-11.mit.edu and/or nic.funet.fi.

Henning

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Institute of Electronic Design Automation
Technical University of Munich, Germany
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Technical University of Munich, Germany
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: mper@uipsuxb.ps.uiuc.edu (Michael Pereckas)
Subject: Yet another X question
Summary: how big will X be?
Keywords: X Windows
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 04:33:30 GMT

I know it is sort of early to be asking this, but does anyone have a 
guess as to how much disk space X Windows will
need?  I'm trying to get a handle on how much money I'll have to
come up with to upgrade my system to run it when it becomes 
available.  I know better than to ask when that will be.

How much thought has gone into supporting graphics in a simpler manner?
I know X is useful, and many nice programs use it, but it is notoriously
big.  A simple, small graphics interface for Linux might be useful for
people with small systems.  For example, I need a DVI previewer, and
probably many other people do, too.  If the only solution (I'm looking
to the future here) is X, then many will be shut out of really using
Linux until we can upgrade.  I know that there has been some discussion
of this sort of thing recently, and I'd like to say that I am in favor
of porting X, and I like the idea of having X, but maybe it should not
be the only answer.  Any thoughts?

Michael Pereckas