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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:02:21 EDT
From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Announcement
              30 Sep 1992 15:07:25 EDT from <AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU>

On Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:07:25 EDT <AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU> said:
>Watch CBS tonight at 9:00 pm for a great music show.  This show will have
>dancing, great stars of the music world, whatever you can think of.  I hope
>everyone turns in to watch.

I'm confused. I thought the 'Live from Lincoln Center' telecast of Cavaleria
Rusticana and I Pagliacci was at 8:00, not at 9, and on PBS, not CBS.
That of course IS what you're referring to, Eddie, isn't it? Oh well, probably
just a different time zone...

I must say, your taste in opera is as elegant as ever, and thanks for alerting
us to tonight's performance of Mascagni's and Leoncavallo's verismo one-acts.
(I'm a bit jealous -- I work late on Wednesday nights and have no access to a
TV set. Let me know tomorrow what you thought of them.)
Enjoy the New York City Opera production (and by the way, how do you think
that company fares in comparison to the Met? And is the Met overrated anyhow?)

Tonight I'll be sipping some champagne in toast to Eddie,
Rick
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:29:40 EDT
From:         RTURNBUL@TOROVM1.VNET.IBM.COM
Subject:      Marillion CD

< I have a SPARE copy of the UK-only compilation, "'B' Sides Themselves",

Just as a point of interest, this isn't a UK only compilation. I bought it
here in Canada for regular price. Don't know about the US, but I wouldn't be
surprised if it was available there as well...

Speaking of Marillion, has anyone heard the 2 new songs they added to their
recent Greatest Hits CD? I've got everything else by these guys and I'm curious
if those songs are worth it. I'd probably buy it normally, but I was pretty
disappointed in their last album _Holidays In Eden_. Had a couple of good tunes
but mostly fell flat with very mediocre-anybody-else-could-have-done-them songs
like "No One Can" and "Dry Season".

Did I hear someone say progressive music? Hello! Being born and raised in
Montreal (home of progressive music in North America) I really didn't have a
choice but to love this kind of stuff. Yeah, the critics hate it and call it
pretentious and self-indulgent...So what? There was also a great deal of
innovation and superb musicianship to come from groups like Yes and pre Top
40 Genesis. As mentioned, I'm also a huge Marillion fan.

Later,

Bob T
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From:         Mike Masuda <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: WCRB top 40 countdown

In no particular order:

1.  Beethoven's 9th symphony (esp. second movement)
2.  Beethoven's 6th symphony
3.  Vivaldi's "Four Seasons" (esp. "Winter")
4.  Grieg's "In the Hall of the Mountain King"
5.  Debussy's "Clair de Lune" piece
6.  Johann Strauss' "Die Flaudermaus"
7.  Rossini's "The Thieving Magpies"
8.  Beethoven's "Coriolan"
9.  Wagner's "Ride of the Valkyries"
10. Chopin's Piano Waltzes
11. Dukas' "The Sorcerer's Apprentice"

Opera: "Carmen" by Bizet.

(yeah, I know. You said "classical" and I have a lot of stuff from
other periods.  Oh well....)

Mike Masuda
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 08:13:48 EDT
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Halloween Music

On Fri, 25 Sep 1992 21:00:59 CDT Debbie said:
>I'll soon be doing my usual DJ routine at an annual Halloween
>Party.  I thought this year I'd try to go with a Halloween-ish
>theme.  I'd like to know if anyone could help out with some
>suggestions.  So far I'm thinking:   Hotel California, Bat Out of Hell,
>Werewolves of London,  Runnin With the Devil & Witchy Woman.
>
>Thanks in advance!!!
>
>Debbie

Damn--the Bloomster already beat me to "Zomby Woof"!  Well, how about "Boris
the Spider"/The Who, and of course, the theme music to "The Addams Family"(TV)?
Maybe "The Devil Went Down to Georgia"/Charlie Daniels, too.  And just possibly
"Born on the Bayou"/Creedence Clearwater Revival.
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 07:50:28 EDT
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Snakes and Ladders

On Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:37:49 EDT Michelle May said:
>Wait a minute!!!  Wait, a, MINUTE!!!!!
>
>When I was growing up, we played this same game A LOT (this was in the late
>60's/early 70's) and it was called CHUTES and Ladders.  The chutes were red
>slides.  Is this the same game/different company (I think it was put out
>by Milton Bradley)
>
*Sigh* If one would only *read* the mail, one might just find out that CHUTES
and Ladders is the American version of an old British game called SNAKES and
Ladders.  One would then find out that the answer to one's question is "yes."
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:30:05 EDT
From:         "Michael H. Bloom" <MHB@MITVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Xenakis

On Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:14:00 EST <JBRIN@WNEC> said:
>Sticks and stones won't make electronic "music" music.  It may be great
>stuff, but Music it ain't.

I invite you to justify this (IMHO totally outrageous) statement. Minimally
you need to provide a definition of "music" that will pass muster with most
of the list participants, and then a phenomenology of same that will show
how a given waveform produced on a sampler is inherently inferior to the
same waveform produced on an oboe. You'll also need to explain how John
Cage's work was completely valueless and misguided. And then you'll need
to convince the rock'n'roll world to fix all their amplifiers so they
never, ever distort. And I want this all on my desk by 9 in the morning!
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:07:35 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Lifeless Air Pudding
              "MCINTYRE%MSUPA.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU" at Sep 30, 92 9:10 am

McIntyrely said:

> our intended target is that bland,
> lifeless air pudding that has co-opted the term "ambient music".

What a GREAT name for a band (a very offensive band): Air Pudding!

 > to be the equivalent of genocide.  So to those who would ask, "Do you
> play ambient music?", we would answer, "Oh yes, ambient genocide."
>

I was all prepared to be self-righteously offended, but you've convinced
me--it's a good title.  BTW has anybody actually come through and ASKED you the
above question, allowing you the satisfaction of replying?

(wonder what the Bloom-man thinks of your aspersions on "ambience")

It's great coming back to ALLMUSIC and stumbling into a Chutes/Snakes and
Ladders game... I won't even ask....

OMC: I think I LIKE Ornette Coleman--his "almost" free jazz (not yet ready for
all-the-way free--referring to myself, not Ornette) thanks to our
homeboy-data-freak-ground-meat-loaf-librarian.

But Albert Ayler--I just don't GET it?!?!?!!?  (yet)

Sonia
From: RMCB@DLRVM.BITNET (Paul Hosken)
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Date: 5 Oct 92 18:36:41 GMT
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OK, you've pressured it out of me. I was going to give this a miss but
here's my favourites:

Female:
   Mahalia Jackson
   Bessy Smith
   Nina Simone
   Nina Hagen
   Val Waterson (who! - ask some folkies about this one)

Male:
   Otis Redding
   Percy Sledge
   Alexander O'neal (this guy is a fat oaf, but what a voice!)
   Smokey Robinson
   Jimi Hendrix's guitar!

(Black America beats the Rest Of The World 6:4 - Jimi's guitar was red!)

A few decades ago my male list would have encluded the likes of Jon
Anderson, Roger Daltry. Robert Plant, Meatloaf and Brian Ferry -
just goes to show how times and tastes change!

Paul
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:50:06 +0000
From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: snakes and ladders...

>Subject: snakes and ladders...

        Well, I have started this monster -- and all this talk has brought
to my mind a doubt... am I dreaming, or was there an album issued more or
less in the mid-70s called "Snakes And Ladders" by Gerry Rafferty? And in
case, which kind of music was that -- the folk Rafferty or the pop-hit sin-
ger of "Baker Street"? I'm sure Carol knows something about it.

        Ciao, Marco

PS: or was it "Stars And Ladders"?
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 10:43:43 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Top 5 Lead Vocalists!!!!!!
              5 Oct 1992 14:53:38 GMT from <birchall@PILOT.NJIN.NET>

On Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:53:38 GMT Shag said:
>T9014170@PHILLIP.EDU.AU writes:
>
>>Since people have been doing favorite guitarists I've decided
>>to do singers as well:
>
good idea....here's mine
Steve Perry - ( I hate Journey, but give credit where it's due )
Joe Cocker  _ ( great singer terrible voice)
Gregg Allman  (see above)
Paul Rodgers  ( bad company,free,firm...etc)
Emmy Lou Harris (you know it's true)
Micheal Bolton (hate him, but he,s good)
Whitney Houston ( outstanding, the best in pop in quite a few years)
Robert Johnson (just name one who can make you feel that way)
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:02:31 EST
From:         Ilia <CC29@IONA.BITNET>
Subject:      Progressive

Bob, what is 'The Other David Stewart'? Actually, sometimes I think
I am missing something (you know - iron curtain and all that). What
are other worthwile bands in progressive rock, besides KC, Genesis,
Yes, ELP, Gentle Giant, Tull, and Van der Graaf Generator?
       Ilia.
From: Michael_Roth@SFU.CA
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>To purchase back issues of qualitative sociology call J.S. Canner company
>(617) 449-9103.
>
>Does someone have the specific volume and issue numbers of the current
>issues of Qualitative Sociology which are devoted to software packages
>used in qualitative analysis?
I think it is 14(4)

Michael
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From:         "(Roger Wilson)" <rwilson@EDUC.UCALGARY.CA>
Subject:      Re: Info and Edutainment
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              at Sep 2, 92 8:59 am

Chris Bigum,
   At the beginning of the month, you requested information from
this list regarding the origin of the terms *edutainment* and
*infotainment*. Rather curiously, I was listening to the CBC
radio (Cdn. state radio) this morning and discussion centred on
the music scene in Jamaica (the shift from the traditional blues
inspired reggae to the current disco/club/rap inspired reggae called
"dancehall"). BEAR WITH ME. There was talk of reggae musicians
who had migrated to the U.S., settling in N.Y. For many/most
reggae musicians, their songs were their means of *educating* the
public as to the social and economic conditions in their homeland
while at the same time still keeping in mind that music was also
a medium for *entertainment*. One particular traditional reggae
musician (name escapes me; sorry) coined the term *edutainment*
apparently some time ago to reflect both aspects of this in his
music. Anyway, thought you might enjoy a slightly different
perspective on the term. Probably could chase down the musician's
name if so desired.

rwilson@educ.ucalgary.ca
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From:         mhorney@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU
Subject:      HELP! EMPIRICIST DROWNS IN HEGALIAN RIVER
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PLEASE GOD! RUSH INFOTAINMENT TO WESTERN MICHIGAN! HELP SAVE NAIVE
EMPIRICIST FROM RAVAGES OF SLOW MONDAYS!!!

Jim, I don't know how you got from my naive attempt at definition to a
generalization about imperial science, Michigan Mondays must be especially
trying. This naive empiricist sought only to put a proposal on the table in
the hope that Hegalian knowers would explicate their knowledge of knowing
in some way that the unknowledgeable might know the known, the unknown and
the unknowable.

Yours in sensorial reasonablity,
Mark Horney
215 Education
University of Oregon
Eugene, OR 97403
mhorney@oregon.uoregon.edu
(503) 346-2679
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Sherrie, Since they probably are shy about "tooting" their own horn, I do
it instead.  Do you know about the "Qualitative Research in Education"
conference held in January at the University of Georgia (Athens).  Its a
great conference organized and attended by interesting and approachable
people.  This year, the patron goddess of this network, Judith Priessle-Goetz
is one of the people organizing the conference (January 7-9).
Todd Jennings.
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From:         "KATHLEEN GILBERT" <GILBERTK@IUBACS.BITNET>
Subject:      students and evaluating qualitative work

I've been asked by a colleague who teaches a methods course (and is
a quantitative researcher who admits he knows zip about qualitative, but
is willing to learn) if I would put together a handout for his students
on the topic of "How to Evaluate Qualitative Studies."  He has only
just begun to add qualitative in his course (I do a guest lecture late
in the semester--and he's sent several students to talk with me
informally about research).

In any event, I'm hoping some of the list members can offer suggestions
on evaluating the quality of qualitative work.

Thanks,

Kathy Gilbert
GILBERTK@IUBACS.BITNET
(812)855-5209
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From:         "Woodill, Gary" <FCTY7310@RYEVM.RYERSON.CA>
Subject:      PARTICIPATORY RESEARCH

In the spring there was a lengthy discussion on participatory research, and
I mentioned at that time that I was writing on participatory research models
for persons with a disability. That work has taken the form of a 70+ page
discussion paper, which is available for $15 from the independent living
centre which asked for the report. Those wishing a copy should ask for
"Independent Living and Participation in Research" from:

        Centre for Independent Living in Toronto
        205 Richmond St. W., #605
        Toronto, Ontario Canada M5V 1V3
        Phone: (416) 599-2458

This is not a commercial announcement as I do not receive royalties for this
book. It is simply information which may be of interest to list members.

Gary Woodill (FCTY7310@RYERSON)
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I'm interested in how reading is taught in German first grades.
Currently I'm tyring to tack down George and Louise Spindler's
ethnography. Oops, that's track down, and trying.
Anyway, does anyone have other contacts in German first grades
or among German literacy (emergent/early) researchers?
Carolyn andrews-Beck ,EN01@siuemus
That's E N zero one . . .
Thanks!
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From:         mhorney@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU
Subject:      Knowledge?
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When we get a spate of long postings I find it necessary to read and
contemplate from print, so I'm a bit behind. However, I did see flitting
past frequent references to ideas about knowledge and knowing, and
statements about knowledge deriving from reason and not from the senses.
Towards this discussion I would like to contribute my favorite set of
definitions in this area:

"DATA" will be defined as input gathered through the senses; and
"INFORMATION" as integrated data which denotes a significant change in the
environment. Information is converted into "KNOWLEDGE" by interconnecting
it with known concepts and skills as part of achieving a goal. "WISDOM" is
knowledge about knowledge."

[Chris Dede (1988). The role of hypertext in transforming information into
knowledge. In W.C. Ryan (Ed.) Proceedings of the National Educational
Computing Conference '88. Eugene, OR: International Council on Computers in
Education.]
Mark Horney
215 Education
University of Oregon
Eugene, OR 97403
mhorney@oregon.uoregon.edu
(503) 346-2679
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Dear Colleagues:  I am trying to deepen my coding sophistication.  I have
been readin
g Strauss and Corbin's "Basics of Qualitative
Research."
However, I am a bit mystified with the notion of Axial Coding.  Do others
on the network consciously do Axial Coding and if so, what advice can you
offer to demystify the notion for me.  I am findi
ng a frustrating disparity
between what is written in texts and what people do in "real life" when
it comes to data analysis.  Can anyone offer a struggler some concrete
example of how they analyze their data?  (P.S. I am working interview
transcripts.)  Thank you in advance for your time.

Todd Jennings
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From: gjordan@PARC.XEROX.COM (Brigitte Jordan)
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Hi,

I've been out of the country and missed your announcement regarding your
paper. If you still feel like sending it, I'd be interested in reading it.
I could offer, in exchange, a paper on New Research Methods for Looking at
Productivity in Knowledge-Intensive Organizations, which is also sorely in
need of comments and critique. It lays out ethngraphic methods for studying
work practices but has nothing to do with computers at all. Let me know if
you are interested.

Best regards,

Brigitte Jordan (Gitti)
Institute for Research on Learning, and
Xerox Palo Alto Research Center



>I'll be participating next week in the conference "Computers and Qualitative
>Research" in Bremen, Germany. I am right now working on my conference paper
>"Grounded Theory as Emerging Paradigm for Computer-assisted
>Qualitative Research". If some of the readers of this list are interested in
>commenting my draft, I'd be happy to send it by e-mail. In exchange I would
>like the readers a) to comment the paper, b) to correct my poor english c)
>to act quickly because I'll have to get the comments by sunday, 4th October.
>The paper is approximately 6-8 pages long.
>
>Please, send your e-mail directly to me to avoid cluttering this list!
>
>
>best regards,
>
>Markku Lonkila
>University of Helsinki
>Dept. of Sociology
>e-mail internet: lonkila@cc.helsinki.fi
>       bitnet:   lonkila@finuh

Gitti

[Brigitte Jordan, Xerox PARC and IRL; please send all messages both to:
gjordan@parc.xerox.com and brigitte_jordan@irl.com]
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From:         "(Niall Johnson u)" <john7552@MACH1.WLU.CA>
Subject:      Re: Participatory Action Research
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              92 11:23 pm

Jim Thomas said:

> Is it just me, or does anybody else have problems with soliciting
> $2,000 (US) for a course as recently described by a poster, apparently
> from Deakin U, as odd, offensive, and (judging from the description of
> the course) pedagogically offensive?  I'm not sure that a bitnet
> newsgroup is a forum to advertise for what appears to be primarily a
> revenue-generating enterprise.
> Comments???

These postings requesting monies for various activities seem to have cropped
up recently in a number of newsgroups/lists. Not only are they often
annoying (to the point of being offensive) but also frequently involve a
breach of etiquette. There are supposed to be certain standards, certain
kinds of behaviour that contributors on all lists are supposed to follow.
One of the most important (to many people's way of thinking) is the
non-comercialisation of the networks.

This means you do not post advertisements for your latest
journal/book/software/????. It is usually acceptable to post an indication
that said object is now available and maybe a short *objective?* statement.
Long-winded hype is frowned upon.

I know of one very recent incident where someone posted a notice calling for
monies for a course taught by email. That persons network priviliges have
since been revoked and the institution concerned posted a widespread
apology.

So when you post please ensure that what you are posting is of genuine
interest to a significant proportion of the newsgroup/list's membership.

--
Ciao

Niall Johnson,
Dept. of Geography,
Wilfrid Laurier University.
     john7552@mach1.wlu.ca
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From:         "jean k. latting" <SOCW9V@UHUPVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      if you sent me a personal msg, pls. resend

Sorry to take up the bandwidth with a personal note, but several people
have sent me private messages concerning my request for info about nudist,
hyperqual and hyperresearch for the mac.      one person said she or
he had had good experiences iwth hyperqual.

i log all messages to which i intend to reply in a notebook.
unfortunately, about 3 minutes ago, i deleted the whole thing.

bottom line:  if you sent me a personal note about hyperqual or
hyperresearch or nudist and you haven't heard back from me, pls.
resend it.  it's gone gone gone gone....

sorry,
jean
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