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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: First Round Picks?
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:42:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw4H7n.Ix7
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

jblixt@neon.cdc.com (Jon Blixt) writes:
>}
>}My local news reported Laettner is close to signing a 6 year, $20million deal.
>}Anyone have some more detailed info?
>}

>It's not official, but the Minneapolis papers are reporting a done deal.

	Seeing that Laettner has signed close to $3 million a year, I think
	we can all expect that Mourning's f***ing agent will now hold
	Alonzo back this season.  I'm sure that both of them are expecting
	to get more $ than Laettner, and the Hornets apparently don't have
	more than $2 million this season to spare.  VERY unfortunate for
	the Hornets -- and Alonzo -- who seems like he'll be just another
	name on the long list of #2 pick disappointments (at least initially).

	Jazzy J
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From: creasman@cheshire.oxy.edu (Scott Michael Creasman)
Subject: Re: Lakers to Go all the way.
Keywords: Lakers to go all the way.
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:53:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.015617.908@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> iqrh_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Imran Qureshi) writes:
>I can only say, Western Conference fans, don't waste your time watching any 
>NBA games if you're not a Lakers fan because you'll only be disappointed.
>While all of the focus is on the over-hyped Phoenix Suns, look for the Lakers
>to quietly take the division with a possible 70 wins.  

Kudos to Imran for making a prediction that no one else in
his/her right mind would have considered.  The Suns are 
overhyped, after all they still have that lazy, non-defending,
no-rebounding, thug Tom Chambers.  Besides that, they've
acquired Charles Barkley, the ONE player that could have ruined
their unparalleled team chemistry.

And 70 wins isn't an impossible goal.  I mean pick twelve teams
that could possibly beat them, much less any team beating them
twice.  Magic Johnson, the greatest ball player of all time
will be returning, and after a year of rest will literally be
unstoppable.  Sam Perkins has returned to his Maverick form,
James Worthy is finally healthy, Vlade Divac, finally 
through with his international competition, and Anthony Peeller,
who is surely prepared to move right into the starting line-up
will undoubtably been unstoppable.  Pfund is prepared to return
to Show-time.  And who in the expansion diluted NBA could possibly
stop them?

>
>The Lakers are 13 deep! (wait a minute, that's one too many).
>You know a team has to be good, if the guy getting cut held Jordan to 21 points
>in the NBA finals in 91 (i.e. Tony Smith) 
>
>Watch out for rookie sensation Duane Cooper (#2 pick).  The Lakers really like
>this guy and he can surprise a lot of folks whose attention is on Anthony P.
>The addition of Sean Higgins can't hurt.

Who wouldn't have helped?  But wait, that was help with an 
injury plagued team last season.  Everyone is healthy and
an infusion of new talent from the draft and free-agent
pick-ups will surely move the Lakers even further into
their next era.  Watch the birth of the latest dynasty!

>

         [A bunch of roster info that we all already know]

>You just don't get any deeper than that!

That's the truth.  Long live the LAKERS.  Only Jerry West
could have pulled off this one.

Scott

--I'm just so happy I won't have to watch a game this season,
as we already know what's going to happen.
From: alanj@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Atlantic Div. stuff (was What about Nique?)clo
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:42:28 MDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Oct7.153831.26879@athena.mit.edu>, mittman1@athena.mit.edu (Christopher T Chiu) writes:
> I wouldn't be so sure that the Knicks will win the Atlantic Division.  Sure, they
> have solidified offensively, but there are several major problems from last
> season that may still plague them:
> 
> 1. The Knicks still have problems with their point guard position: Greg Anthony
> was unable to unseat Mark Jackson last year to become the starter.  Furthermore,
> if he goes down, who will fill in?  Doc Rivers?  With his old body it will be a
> wonder if he doesn't sit out at least a third of the season with injuries!  If
> Anthony wants to show his wings, he better show them now--the entire team is
> dependent on it.
> 
> 2. One month before the playoffs last year, every one predicted the Knicks would
> win the Atlantic Division.  Then what happened?  An unbelievable crash towards
> the finish, that's what happened!  From something like eight games back, the
> Celtics managed to steal the Division title on tiebreaks!!  It left New York fans
> flabbergasted--and the reasons behind this crash have yet to be told.  It has yet
> to be seen whether the Knicks have enough staying power  to prevent a
> horrifying deja vu.
> 
> 3. Rolando is not only old(read that as injury prone), his shooting percentage 
> has started to slip as well--just when the Knicks need better shooting.  Given
> that it is better to have some outside shooting than none, Mr. Blackmon may be
> less of a factor than people think.  Plus, if he goes down, we have an untested
> Hubert Davis to deal with--hard to see him starting.
> 
> 4. The key tough guys on the Knicks team last year(Anthony, McDaniel) have now
> left!  Wait a minute, weren't these the guys who damn near led, or WRESTLED(!) 
> the Knicks into the Conference Finals?  Worse still, McDaniel is with the
> ENEMY--the Celts!  You get the feeling the Knicks want to be a kinder, gentler,
> more skilled team, but they have lost much of their muscle.  As Arsenio Hall
> would say, hmmmmm.....
> 
> Don't get me wrong--I also think the Knicks will win the Division.  But it's a
> shaky vote at best...stay tuned.
> 
> Chris "Genghis" Chiu


One more thing I've considered along this thread (if I may add to the list). 
There is the possibility of four new starters for the Knicks this year.  I
don't know what the actual line up will be but the possibility I am thinking of
is 1-Rivers, 2-Blackmon, 3-Campbell, 4-Smith, and 5-Ewing.  Again before you
FLAME, I am just throwing out an idea.  With Ewing being the only returning
member of this line up, some time is going to be required in order to get this
team familiar enough with each other.  That could cost a few games early in the
season which might make things tight in the end.

Alan
From: Marc.A.Echeveste.1@nd.edu (Marc A. Echeveste)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Suns Camp?
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:50:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: 129.Marc.A.Echeveste.1-151092124443
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Organization: University Of Notre Dame

In article <1992Oct13.191651.24791@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com>,
heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser) wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> - Sir Charles has bought a home in Paradise Valley and it is nearing
>   completion.  He said moving is a pain, but hasn't felt this much
>   anticipation for the season to start since his rookie year.
>     
> - America West Arena is 1,000 seats short of being a season sellout. 
>   That's over 19,000 season tickets, folks!
>
> - Thunder Dan was on a radio show last week for an hour.  He hasn't done
>   anything but lift weights since having his knee scoped in early August
>   and is anxious to get started.  Majerle also said Oliver Miller has
>   lost 25-30 lbs. and looks very impressive in workouts so far.  Chambers
>   has worked out for the first summer in his career and he's playing like
>   he did in his younger days.  
> 
> - KJ recently lost a bet to Sir Charles and as a result had to obtain a
>   Barkley Do(tm).  Nobody is saying what the bet was that gives Phoenix 2
>   chrome domes.
>     
>     
> - Barkley owns this town already and is being demanded by all the
>   outsiders as well.  "SI" will here this week to photograph him for the
>   upcoming NBA preview issue (can you say "JINX"?).  "Sport" was here last
>   week.  He'll be on Arsenio soon, made a guest appearance on NBC's soap
>   "Santa Barbara" and will make another on ABC's sitcom "Hangin with Mister
>   Cooper".  I don't think the locals realized how BIG (literally or
>   figuratively) this guy is.  Even every kid in town has a Charles shirt
>   now.
>     
> - I just bought my tickets for Sunday's Celtics game here.  Look for the
>   guy with huge lats at center court (half way up) accompanied by an 8 
>   year old.  Will be my first time in the new arena.
> 
> Mike

I wish I could be there for that 1st home game... I've been to the Arena 3
or 4 times (Rattlers Games, Draft Party) and I must say that I LOVE THAT
PLACE! I can't wait to see a game there.  It should be an incredible place
to play ball!  There sure is a lot of anticipation.  I hope that the Suns
can live up to them. (Hey, I have a Barkley shirt too!)

Well, if any other news happens, please be sure to post it, 'cause I'd love
to read it!

------------------------
Marc Echeveste
University of Notre Dame
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: More trivia (answer)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 14:59:44 GMT
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In article <1992Oct14.191410.21198@colorado.edu> paul@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Paul Mathews) writes:
>In article <Bw4DAB.Gu4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>>paul@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Paul Mathews) writes:
>>
>>>   I thought I remember reading that Darrel Walker of the Pistons had
>>>the worst career 3-pt. FG percentage.
>>	
>>	We've got a winner here!  Believe it or not, a guard (Darrell Walker)
>>	has the worst 3-pt FG percentage of all time.  Now, for extra
>>	brownie points, guess his percentage (he took 101 shots).
>>
>>	Jazzy J
>
>
>	I think he has made 4 for a whopping 4% !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>

Probably somewhere in the 6-7% range..  He had made 6 as of last year, and
shot 9 more this year.  

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From: 11mwarner@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: More trivia...
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:51:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: gallua.1992Oct11.175147.1
Organization: Gallaudet University

In article <Bvz7p0.4zA@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
> 
> 
> 	Well, we've been talking about Dana Barros and his 3-pt percentage
> 	last year -- and about Trent Tucker's career 3-pt percentage --
> 	but the question I put to U is -- who in NBA history has the WORST
> 	3-pt percentage (min 100 attempts).  Take your guess and I'll reveal
>       the answer....

Hmmmmm.  Manute Bol?

						PSYCHO
						11MWARNER@gallua.gallaudet.edu
From: pa56680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (P. Ialamanna)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Alonzo Mourning, greedy SOB
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:28:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw2J2s.260
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In article <1992Oct12.141338.21921@dg-rtp.dg.com> goolsby@harpo.rtp.dg.com (Chris Goolsby) writes:
>
>I've been equally disgusted by this continuing debacle.  However, I
>put more blame on Alonzo's agent, Falk, than on Alonzo himself.  This
>Falk clown is being a complete dick about the whole negotiation
>process.
>
>Charlotte is turning into a pretty good organization (no more "draft
>J.R. Reid because of local connections" and similar crap) and they
>made a good offer to Mourning.  They got several players to
>restructure their contracts and offered Alonzo more money than they
>gave Larry Johnson last year, I believe.  Enter Falk.
>
>He tells Alonzo that it's not enough.  He tells Charlotte to trade one
>of their big men for a second round draft choice to free up more money
>for his unproven client.  Charlotte tells him to forget it and that
>they'll be even less money soon, because they plan to sign their
>second round pick (I forget the name) to the league minimum before
>training camp, which will leave less money available under the cap to
>sign Mourning.  Falk doesn't budge.  Charlotte signs the player.  Falk
>goes to the press and threatens to have Alonzo sit out the year.
>Charlotte shrugs and says Falk should be talking to them and not the
>papers. . . .  What a mess!
>
>I'm willing to give Alonzo the benefit of the doubt and say that he's
>just being poorly advised.  Maybe he's just ignorant, instead of
>egotistical.  In any event, I'm disgusted with him and Falk both.  I
>was really looking forward to seeing Charlotte make some real strides
>this year, but now I expect that Mourning (if he is ever signed) will
>have built up too much ill will in the coaches, his fellow players,
>and the fans to have a good year.  Shades of Anderson and New Jersey
>last year.
>
>Who is the Falk guy anyway?  Anybody know who else he represents?

If I'm not mistaken, Falk is part of the ProServ organization, Jordan's
management firm.


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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: Alonzo Mourning, greedy SOB
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 11:58:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.221644.23751@bnr.ca> yount@crchh473.BNR.CA (Jeff Yount) writes:
>In article <7149@transfer.stratus.com>, halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim
>Halpin) writes:
>|>In article <1992Oct12.131439.477@brtph560.bnr.ca>,
>markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>|>> 
>|>> Now I am growing tired of Alonzo and his agent.  Alonzo won't take $2.1M
>|>> and is looking for $2.5M.  Did he forget that just last year, the No. 1 
>|>> pick Larry Johnson only got $1.9M (if I'm not mistaken).
>|>> 
>|>
>|>	Did you guys get this upset last year when Larry Johnson held out
>|>until the night before the season opener to get his first contract????
>|>
>|>	Do you think Mourning and his Agent have noticed that Gminski & J.R.
>|>are the alternatives at center?
>|>
>                 
>I had no problem with Alonzo's negotiations until he started 
>demanding that the team trade away talent so he can have a little
>more money. This comes after at least two players (Mugsy and J.R.)
>renegotiated their contracts to free up more money for him. I used
>to live in Charlotte. I don't remember the cost of living being
>quite that high. They still have to sign Tony Bennett after this.

My point exactly.

As for Tony Bennett, the Hornets signed him on Friday.  That makes it
$2.1M - $140,000 for Alonzo.  Way to go Alonzo.

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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: More trivia...
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:29:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.Bw2Lwz.2IH
Organization: Indiana University

In article <Bw1E9n.n3o@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>arwoo@athena.mit.edu (Albert R. Woo) writes:
>
>>Is it James Worthy?  Lately, it seems like he's been around 25%, and 
>>I think his early years were pretty abysmal.  It always looks like he's 
>>shot-putting the basketball when he shoots a 3...  I'm also guessing
>>that he's tried more than 100 attempts in his career...
>
>	Nope.  Sorry.  A hint -- the guy I'm thinking of has an abysmal
>	percentage.  We're talking seriously bad here folks...
>
>	Jazzy J

Manute Bol?  :)

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From: cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Busy Summer
Date: 10 Oct 92 03:56:48 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

It seems to me that there are a lot of teams that have completely
remade themselves this summer through trades and free agency.
Phoenix, Philadelphia, New York, and the Clippers are probably the
most extreme examples; Portland, Utah, Cleveland, and Boston are
among some other teams that have made significant acquisitions over
the summer; Houston is still trying to trade Hakeem Olajuwon.

I'm wondering, does it just seem to me this way because we're in the
middle of it right now, or has this summer really been much more
active than any other recent summer? 

Tony
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From: ehc29224@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (CBR600f)
Subject: Re: More trivia...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 05:28:59 GMT

I know....I know!!!

...but then again, i'm your roomate...guess I out of the competition then...
sort of like belonging to Kodak when they have sweepstakes contests...

					cheers    :)

					eric
From: sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor Sheyn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Cavs get Gerald Wilkens?
Date: 11 Oct 92 17:49:19 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: sheyn@csa


Wilkins will defenitely make the Cavs better. Their liability at the 3 spot
with CBA player Mike Sanders wasn't that decisive in the Celtics series, cause
Gamble, alas, had his trademark playoffs. But it really showed up in Chicago
series. Now Cavs have a legitimate starter, whose offense is inconsistent
but defense and hustle play is pretty good. Now Jordan and Pippen will have
a defensive duo of Ehlo/Wilkins, who can also switch between them.
Being a true Celtics fan, I will still be rooting for Cleveland in 78 regular season games ( excluding of course Celtics games ). I really liked them in last year playoffs.
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Trent Tucker signs w/ BULLS
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:56:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bvt8A4.FHn
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

jshg1134@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey S. Hoeft) writes:

>    Could it be.......Mark Randall from Kansas?  Drafted by Da Bulls last
>    year?  I can't remember if he stuck around long enough for the 
>    opening day roster or not.  Seems to me like he played in preseason,
>    but someone came back before the regular season started.  Could be
>    wrong though.

	Nope.  Sorry.  Randall did make the opening day -- albeit the only
	reason was that Scott Williams was on IR from shoulder surgery.  When
	Williams returned, Randall was gone.  He did hook up w/ the Timberwolves
	later in the season, however.

	Jazzy J
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From: dasaxe@milton.u.washington.edu (Daniel Perreault)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: first round picks
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:34:54 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <98754@bu.edu> sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor Sheyn) writes:
>
>I'd like to see summary of signings of 1st round picks this year. There are
>3 holdouts that I am positive about: Mourning, Gugliotta and Barry. I don't
>remember exactly about W. Williams, T. Day, R. Woods, D. Christie, E. Spencer
>and B. Houston. Can anyone give me the info of status of above 6 players?


As early as yesterday, the 14th Doug Christie was holding out of the Sonics
camp. There have been some complications with the negotiations, and I am
not sure of his current status. I do know that Gerald Paddio played for the
Sonics in there annual "Green&Gold" game, a public intersquad scrimmage,
and Paddio looked really good. Perhaps coincidentally, Christie got on a plane
and flew up from California to try to get the contract worked out. For the
record, Christie's agent wants the Sonics to renegotiate one of the veterans
contract to allow Christie to get more money under the cap.

Dan Perreault "sounds like Perot"
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Brian Williams down again
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:55:18 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <23512@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>
>
>It seems that Brian Williams collapsed again here in Tucson (the 4th time)
>outside a friend's home. He banged his head a bit and was rushed to a
>local hospital where the usual array of tests were run and no cause could
>be found. He was not wearing the monitor he was supposed to be wearing.
>
> He intends to see some bozo in california who examines peoples "auras"
>and can cure their illnesses. He says that unless he finds out what is wrong
>he will refuse to go to camp. I believe Orlando intends to fine him for each day
>he is out of camp.  He also does not intend to sign a contract at the end of 
>this season.


The local paper mentioned that Brian is apparently saying he will retire
if the situation does not change. He is apparently afraid that not knowing
what the cause of his problems is, playing basketball is unsafe.

They also mentioned that doctor with the auras stuff.

You gotta feel sorry for Brian, injury plagued rookie year, and now
this.

Hope they figure out the problem and correct it.




Russ Smith
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: That Top Ten Draft Discussion
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:41:13 GMT


hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira) writes:
>why do they demand and the teams pay them such high salaries? 

They demand the big bucks because they can get it.  The teams pay it
because it's a good business investment.

I'm yet to see an NBA owner losing his pants because he overpaid a
draft pick.  I'm yet to see an NBA GM who wouldn't gladly draft at the
top 10 rather than in the second round -- Rodman abd Washburn
notwithstanding.  Thus -- supply and demand.  Bingo.

Let me ask you this: Do you know how much money Bruce Willis got paid
for doing Hudson Hawk?  About the same as the NBA salary cap for a
whole team for a whole year.  That's show business and that's the star
treatment.

One more thing: There's an implicit agreement between the NCAA and the
NBA, whereby the NCAA prepares the stars and the NBA pays them later.
I have no doubt that after they get drafted, the college stars feel
that finally they're getting paid for the 4 or more years where they
busted their butts and only made money for others.  You don't think
that Alonzo Mourning has made money for Georgetown?  Much, much more
than his scholarship was worth.  And that, in part, is what he's trying
to collect now.

For example, Bo Kimble was part of a shobiz/melodrama extravaganza
that made a lot of money for the NCAA in the 1990 tournament -- but he
never got paid for it.  So even if he's a total failure as an NBA
player, I think that the sum total of money he earned divided by his
contribution to the business of organized hoops is not too bad.


--Gidi

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