From: mtf@saha.hut.fi (Antti Lahelma)
Subject: Re: Swedes turned into Moslems
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:22:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.121018.7444@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>mette@gmd.de (Mette Krogsaeter) writes:
>: In <1992Oct5.063050.3862@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:

>: Also - how anybody can call Sweden (or Scandinavia for that sake)
>: mathriarchal is beyond me! Some "purely Scandinavian" Christian
>: organizations are at least as pathriarchal as some Islamic
>: directions (just so that we do not forget that there are many
>: directions of Islam as well).
>
>I just want to add sometihing concerning the mathriarchal issue.
>Quite a famous researcher, Geert Hofstede, Institute for Research
>on Intercultural Cooperation, Arnhem, The Netherlands published
>1986 vol 10 pgs: 101-120 a study called "Cultural Differences
>in teaching and learning."
>Among the other he analyzied 50 countries in work-related values
>and for instance Masculinity v. Femininity in these societes.
>
>In this index Sweden, Denmark,Norway,Netherlands were the most feminist
>countries in the survey and there the feminist values had a high position.
>On the other side there were countries like Greece,Japan,Mexico,
>Italia,Colombia,Pakistan,Argentine were masculine values had a high
>position. I believe in his study.

 Well, Jarmo, check out your dictionary for what "matriarchy" stands for...
The fact that women are not as oppressed in scandinavia as they are somewhere
else, does not make scandinavian countries matriacrchal.

>I do not believe  concerning the converts into the Islam very much so
>called love factor but more to that the quite a number of ladies
>are tired on feminism and mathriarchal values in Scandinavia and
>they simply want a more pathriarchal society and values. So they vote with
>their feet I should say. If it were the contrary the men in Scandinavia
>wanted to convert into the Islam much more. Now the census is
>c. 9:1 for the ladies. I believe that the feminists are not speaking
>for the majority of the women at all but for the minority. Otherwise
>pathriarchal societies and values were not so popular among the scandinavian
>women. In the theory at an academical world one could say that all the
>ladies are for more liberation, in the practise it is the contrary.
>This" election by feet" proves that.

 Oh, go to hell. Your opinions come straight from the dark middle ages.
Have you ever talked with an islamic convert? Have you ever even seen one?
So where did you learn their motives? I'd like to see a study on this one,
I'm not interested in what you believe. Have you any idea how many converts
there are in Finland? How can you seriously claim that these converts, 
numbering probably less than 100 in Finland (all of whom have supposedly gotten
tired of their human rights), present the majority, instead of the "feminists" 
who would like to get paid same salaries for same jobs as men and don't wish 
to be ruled by such idiots as Jarmo Ryyti, Suomi? Get a life.

>: 
>Jarmo Ryyti
>Suomi

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