From: animage@ocf.berkeley.edu (Cal-Animage Club)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Anime Expo GoH #4
Date: 21 Dec 1992 23:57:52 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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In article <1992Dec21.130755.21543@koko.csustan.edu> ggreene@koko.csustan.edu (George Greene) writes:
>In article <1h34fnINN8lb@agate.berkeley.edu> mtats@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mike Tatsugawa) writes:


>Hey folks rember MT here also said he had other guess "Confirmed" for the con
>this year but my they sure canceled out at the vary last moment.

Yeah... too bad about Go Nagai cancelling from Anime America.  Anime Expo
has only had one GOH from '92 not show up and that was because Mr. 
Takanashi could not find his passport.  I would ask you to please keep
your snide remarks and innuendos to yourself.  There is no more room in anime
fandom for any of it.  I for one have had enough and I know everyone else
on here has enough of it too.  Let's keep our discussions limited to
anime shall we?  

>Now I 'm just a small anime fan that has a small but nice little club
>here in the valley and I know a lot of the people who run the cons and
>they think that this has to be the dumus thing they seen in years
>2 cons a week apart for the same stuff How will it work ? 

Anime Expo selected its date first.  Anime America popped up later and
chose the week before.  Now you tell me what's dumb about this whole thing.


>Well I'm not a betting person but I won't put my money on AX'93
>Here's why >1 the orginal staff walk off siteing they can't work
>with Mike here (Hey Mike I like you but it's the turth)

Funny...  I know A LOT of people on the original staff working for Anime
Expo, including me.  I am also proud to be working next to a lot of new
staffers who are enthusiastic, are mature and professional in their conduct,
and the nicest people in anime fandom I've ever met anywhere.  We
are all friends and we enjoy working together.

>>2 the resen they all walk is the chair was working on getting the Westin
>and you went off a sign the Parc and got stuck with a 22,000 cancelation fee
> if you did't put on the con.

In my opinion, the Oakland Convention Center is one of the best facilities
I have ever seen, other than the San Diego Convention Center.  :)  You
only have a problem if you cancel.  ;)

>Hey folks i think we the one's who get's the bill here. look at the parking
>they have said the "if" you don't want to park at the hotel you cam
>go about 5 to 8 blocks away.

I do believe Albert Wong addressed this point very well.  Parking costs are
peanuts.  Have you ever tried parking in New York, or San Francisco, or
Boston?  Parking in Oakland is minimal compared to the cost of every other
major city and compared to how much we anime fans spend anyways.  :)

> Hey people the "safe zone" that the police have
>set up is only a 3 block area and if any of you out there go to WonderCon
>you know this I been there 2 times and I seen more crime than I care for
>.

Perhaps you'd like to tell the rest of us about your experiences.  I've
been to four WonderCons and never had a single problem.  I've walked the 
streets of Oakland at night and never had a problem.  Lots of professional
organizations and companies have been holding conventions at the Oakland 
Convention Center for years and have returned to the facility repeatedly.
I will let the merits of the Convention Center stand on its own.

>  I like to see more cons but not like this AA'93 will be one of the best
>one's AC'91 had if flaws and so did AE'92 but this is getting out of hand
> I mean if you think that a few fans writing letters asking Rumiko Takahashi
>to come is going to work this is nuts.

Stranger things have happened... :)  You never know.

>Look if you want a letter war you not going to get it that way and if
>AA'93 wanted to say have fans wirte any of the Japanese GoH's all they have
>to do is ask Comic Market with it's 150,000 membership to do the writing.
>Come people aX has posted what 3 mabe 4 GoH's and Mikimoto is the best one
>you said you have. I mean if I want to meet with a guy who been working in
>tiwan on animation I'll go to a Creation con not a con for Anime.

You know, I really don't understand why people from Anime America keep 
posting these things attacking Anime Expo.  Don't you have anything better
to do like trying to run a good convention?  You know, if you spent as much
time trying to run a good convention as you do posting attacks on Mike
Tatsugawa, Oakland, and Anime Expo, you might be able to put together a
good convention.  The strongest impression I have gotten out of any of
those Anime America posts and attacks from Anime America people like yourself
and those in Clubzen have been that of hate.  If all Anime America is is
a convention run on hate, then I will NEVER support it.

To me anime has been a wonderful thing, and a medium that has brought people
closer together.  If the people in Anime America cannot get past their
own egos and hatred then fine.  But I won't go there.

>I think that I need to see where all of this cash is come from so
>right here and now I'm asking to see your books.!
>You say your SPAj or whatever is non-profit well then under the law
>you have to let any one who ask see them and the dose say anyone.
>i'll give till Saturday to post or give me a leagle and valed reasen why
>not. I have already ask and seens AA'93 and there's are up to date and is
>in order and and all tax records made out and filed with the state tax board.
>I check for your's there is'nt any. I think the tax man maybe asking for your
>records also the man at the tax board ask me for the address to contack AX'93.

Why don't you quit worrying about the hate and work on putting on a good
convention for the fans?  Or are you and everyone else at Anime America
so wrapped up in hate that you can't see anything else?  

>I'm sorry if this is making any one mad but what the hell I been out here
> for a month or two capturning all of the con post(hey Ken let's talk)
>and i think if the fans ask the right questions they see whats going on
>and  bevary mad at some of the poeple out here.

You better believe it.  So how about telling some of the more immature and
obnoxious personalities in Anime America to shut up for once?  We read this
newsgroup for anime news not to read your damn ego trips and hateful bashing.

>Hey gang the score is 19 to 4 on Goh's in AA'92 favor who do you
>think's got there act together now.

Well.... I have always been a firm believer of quality vs. quantity and I
have been impressed continuously by the professionalism with which the 
staff of Anime Expo has conducted itself.  No public taunting, no hate,
no malevolence.  I believe the names will stand for themselves.  Why don't
you let your convention stand on its own two feet, on its merits?  I am
making my decision very carefully.  I can only say that hateful
posts like the ones you have posted have only hurt Anime America, not 
helped it.  I have never been so turned off to any convention just based
on the hate and open taunting and immaturity posted on this newsgroup as
I have seen by the people from Anime America.

I will let your last question stand on its merits.  What I think the answer
is is irrelevant.

>  Now flam if you want but I'll stan may ground and get you what want to
>know and fine the real facts on any of the cons and have it back up too.
>Well I'm off for X-mas but I'll be whaching from the side lines .
>                      Se ya. George Greene

BTW, you might want to put your letter through a spell-check first next
time. :) :) :) :)

>Oh I work at both cons in the dealers room see if you can rember where?
>                          <g>

I remember very well.  I never remembered you being this hateful,
or egotistical.  I can only hope I have you mixed up with
someone else.


Greg Lu