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From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: Sources: BALTIC politics & culture
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:45:40 GMT



thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
: ------------------------------------------------------------------
: SOME INDISPENSABLE SOURCES FOR CONTEMPORARY BALTIC 
: POLITICS, ECONOMY & CULTURE IN ENGLISH
: ------------------------------------------------------------------
: There are two independent weekly newspapers in English that 
: are worth reading: 
: 
: BALTIC INDEPENDENT (Tallinn) 
: B.I., Subscription Dept., PO Box 100, Pa"rnu mnt 67a EE0090 Tallin
: Eesti
: Subscription: 48USD/year
: 
: BALTIC OBSERVER (Riga) 
: Reports weekly on the page 2 about legislation in all three 
: Baltic countries
: Subs.: Subscriptions International Ltd., PO Box 785 EE 0029 Tallin
: Eesti. 25 weeks 45 USD, 51v weeks 85 USD.
: 
: And I could warmly recommend this small encyclopedia (267p.):
: 
: Baltic States. A Refence Book. Tallin - Riga - Vilnius 1991.
: 
: ISBN 5 - 89900 - 017 -1
: ISBN 5 - 89960 - 026 -8
: ISBN 5 - 89950 - 015 -8
: 
: The Reference book opens with an introduction by professor
: Rein Taagepera (the centrist presidential candidate):
: 
: "The Baltic states exist. Why say it, if you believe it? No one says
: Sweden exists: it goes without saying. For the Baltic states, it has
: to be said, because their reemergence from the totalitarian grip of
: Soviet colonialism has been very recent. They were submerged to the
: point where their continued existence was not manifest. Our perception
: of the world always suffers some time lag, and the reestablishment
: of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia has not yet sunk in - the more so,
: since the Soviet occupation forces still interfere. It will be a long
: time before the Baltic states will feel free and prosperous. But they
: exist.
: 
: So they exist. Who cares? You do, if you are still with me..." 

I would still add one a very good way to get information what is going
on in Estonia:

 Tuglas Society
Mariankatu 8 B
00170 HELSINKI
+358-0-669 617 PHONE
+358-0-669 615

During Soviet era it had been considered by Moscow as an "anti-soviet"
gesture if the Finns had set up a friendship society of Estonia in Finland.
So this was avoided by starting a society promoting culture between these
two countries. In matter of fact this was a way to organize help and 
assistance for the estonians from Finland. The soviets in practise
the russians could not point out that a society under a name of an author
had been anti-soviet so it existed and was used succesfully as a tool
to give aid of all kind to Estonia. (I am a memeber of it)
For the two other Baltic states were set up Rozentals Society (Lettland)
and Donelaitis Society (Lithuania).
All are welcome to join the ranks!!!
Jarmo
From: sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Shafarevich
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:09:29 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <95541@bu.edu> simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov) writes:
>In article <88227@netnews.upenn.edu> sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:
>
>>muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:
>
>>>As for sionism, meaning assembling all Jews in Palestina, 
>>>or idea of preference of Jewish nation (I think that was main object of attack
>>>of all those anto-sionist commities) I do not think it is all that good
>>>thing.
>
>Well, Zionism is not advocating preference of Jewish nation,
>if you need clarification, please e-mail me.

   I'm curious too.

>> The idea of preference of any nation is called fascism.

>Do you correct his mistake, Sergei, or 
>try to produce one more UN resolution on this topic?!


 What do you think I'm doing? If it looks like UN resolution
 I, probably, am worth to get a better pay.

>It was overthrown, if I'm not mistaken, after CCCP went broke.

  I'm sorry, what was overthrown? UN, Zionism or fascism?

  S.B.
>
>Simon Streltsov			    	! Disclaimer :
>PhD Student,				! I can not speak for the
ept. of Manufacturing Engineering	! Engineering Dept, ONLY because
oston University			! I claim to be a mathematician..
From: br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Bulgakov
Date: 7 Sep 1992 18:46:28 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, patricia@cco.caltech.edu (Patricia M. Schwarz) says:

>Is anyone out there interested in a discussion of Master and Margaret?
>
>Also, I found an interesting book, "Manuscripts Don't Burn: Mikhail
>Bulgakov, A Life in Letters abd Diaries" by J.A.E Curtis.
>
>It contains, among other things, the diary that he kept from 1917 until
>1924, which was seized by the Cheka (NKVD? OGPU?) in 1926 to be used as 
>evidence in a trial against a friend of his. When the police returned 
>the diary to him, he burned it and never kept another one.
>
>BUT - copies were found in 1989 in the KGB archives. So, magically,
>"rukopisi ne goriat" i ne sgoreli.
>
>-patricia margaret schwarz
>
Patricia:
	Thanks for the reference on Bulgakov's diaries.  I think 
THE MASTER AND MARGARITA is one of the best and funniest books I've read.
I always recommend it to my students and would love to use it in my
20th Century World Literature classes, but a reasonably priced paperback
edition just hasn't been available for some time. (I haven't checked this
for a while, so there may be one now.)

I re-read M&M maybe once a year; I like it that much.

J. Del Col
-- 
Jeff Del Col      *    "Reader, be tolerant of me. And of yourself.      
A-B College       *     And of the singular aspirations of our     
Philippi, WV      *     human race." --Czeslaw Milosz-- The Land of Ulro      
                  *         
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad)
Subject: Re: Shafarevich
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 23:22:31 GMT

In article <88224@netnews.upenn.edu> sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:
>
>    I agree,  science in Russia is done by Jews rather than 
>   Blacks. At least Jews have contributed much more to it than Blacks.
>   (No offence to Black people).
>   It might be true also that there are more Jews than Moslems in Russian
>   science.
>
>   I had an impression reading this news group for a while that there was
>   terrible antisemitism in Russia. It was impossible for a Jew to get 
>   admitted into a decent University, to get a decent job there after.
>   But now I hear that, nonetheless, the science in Russia is done by Jews.
>   I don't know what to beleive in, now (it's a cry from my soul)!!!  

Very simple. Among the old generation of  scientists who made their names
before the antisemitic policies started (i.e., before 1950 or so), Jews
made up maybe 30% to 45% of top Soviet scientists. Later, as discrimination
increased, their numbers decreased. After Khruschev was thrown out,
discrimination became worse. That is why we are having so much trouble
finding more than one living Jewish member of the whole academy of science.
However, you are right: Jews in Russia still contributed to science even
during discrimination times. For example, mathematician Gregory Margulis
could not get his Doctorate in the uSSR and was not allowed to work at any
Math institute there. So, he worked in some little economic buro and still
received the Nobel Prize equivalent in math: Field medal (sp?). So, there
he was: one of a dozen  most famous mathematicians in the world, without a
measely doctorate degree in his own country, just because he was Jewish.

Oh, well, let us hope that this is all in hte past...

Vlad

Employer disagrees
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: "democratic" Estonia
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:47:56 GMT


: 
:   We have different understanding about "double standards",
: dear Jarmo. Western politicans were tearing apart their throats
: when shouting about human rights violations in East European
: communist countries, while now when much worse human rights
: violations are going on in "independent" and supposely
: "democratic" Baltic countries, they shut up their mouths.
: Meanwhile in Estonia the situation with civil rights could
: be compared only with Germany'33-45. I can list several
: "actions" of Estonian regime, unprecendental in its nature:
: 1. Estonian parlament by majority of votes deprived
: Russian-speaking deputies their mandates exclusively because
: of their non-Estonian ethnicity. And it was done by Estonian
: deputies who were elected on the very same elections with those
: non-Estonian deputies. THIS IS FASCISM.

Bullshit, you have no idea what is going on in Estonia.
Read their constitution and estonian history&sovietizatization
history of Estonia so you may undestand.

: 2. Estonian parlament introduced the so-called "citizenship law"
: which aim is the depriving the non-Estonian people their
: civil rights, under the false pretex of "language requirement".
: Now come and say, dear Jarmo, that citizenship law has nothing
: to do with ethnicity, but only with "language" (or length of
: nose, or color of hair, or form of sculp, etc, etc.). Since Estonian
: goverment has met some difficulty with distinguishing Estonians
: from Russians by their appearance, they invented "language
: requirement". After all even native Balts who ocasionally
: appear on this list don't hide that the real intentions
: of "democratic" Baltic regimes are to expell all non-Balts.

Bullshit. You see  ghosts everywhere. 
Do you believe yourself to that you write?

3. Estonian goverment has deprived de-facto non-Estonians
: the electorial rights. THIS IS FASCISM.
: 4. Estonian goverment has sent additional police troops
: to Narva region to suppress Russians there and prevent the
: population of Narva region to hold the referendum on independence.
: Even Soviet regime didn't prevent Balts from holding their
: referendum on independence. THIS IS FASCISM.
: 5. Estonian regime is posing the territorial claims to
: Russia's Pskov region and even was engaged in direct 
: agression in May-June. THIS IS FASCISM.
: 
Bullshit. You have no idea what is going on in Estonia.
I would like to mention that last statue of Lenin on the estonian
ground is in NARVA. So about russo-estonians and their innocent
immigration to Estonia...

:   Even "not-so-democratic" Uzbekistan and Azerbajdzhan
: didn't do such things.
:   Estonia IS a FASCIST STATE. And please, please, don't
: bother youself by posting articles from  Estonian "constitution".
: It is well-known fact that Stalin's constitution in xUSSR was
: also quite democratic from the first glance.
:   Serega & Co

You Serega is still a long way to go to understand what is nordic
democracy. 

Jarmo
From: avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Bulgakov
Date: 12 Sep 1992 18:50:56 -0400
Organization: Berkeley Software Design
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

In article <12SEP199223291798@vxcrna.cern.ch> budziak@vxcrna.cern.ch (Alfred P.Budziak) writes:
>[M&M]
>I can not decided which of this version I like better the translation
>or the original one. 

Then you missed a lot -- it has a lot of hidden hints and subtle
meanings which inevitably get lost in translation.

I personally first *heard* M&M retold by a guy from my school.
The actual text i first read from a screen. The book wasn't in
print for a looong time...

--vadim
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:7190 talk.politics.soviet:7754
From: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Subject: Re: Russian poetry
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1992 17:35:06 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.11 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: The Internet

In  <2508@cronos.metaphor.com>  covdy@cronos.metaphor.com (Ivan Covdy) writes:
>
> in article <1992Sep08.141151.24896@watson.ibm.com>,
> bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.
> com (Igor Belchinskiy) says:
> >
> [izdevatel'skie repliki v adres Shvarz opushcheny]
>
> Igorek, zatrahal svojej sovkovoj agressivnost'ju!
> Che tak zol-to na amerikanok, a?
> Baba kakaja-to ne dala, chto li?

Vanya, a ty chego protiv Igorya opolchilsya ?
Malchik kakoi-to ne dal, chto li ?

Oleg
From: sergei+@cs.cmu.edu (Sergei Nirenburg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Russian Culture, Mayakovsky
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:42:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BuBL3K.Gs2.2
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon


In article <9209082237.AA15673@feds46.Prime.COM> "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu> writes:

>              Ia srazu skushal bliudo studnia,
>              zapivshi vodkoi iz stakana;
>              kak Vy nashli na karte budnia
>              moi magazin u okeana?

>              Stoiali, raskatavshi guby
>              na cheshuiu koshernyx ryb...
>              I ia, chtob ne kazat'sia grubym,
>              igral noktiurn. A Vy smogli b?


Bravo, Mark! What a change of pace and especially level from lots of other
discussions. I always said, talent will out! Nit gedaige. Sergei.



P.S. On a different thread, and to other people, the multiply referred-to
"al'bigojtsy" are, most probably, the Albigensians (or, maybe also the
Cathari). Take a look in an encyclopedia on either.
From: andym@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Yet more E-mail help, please.....
Date: 8 Sep 92 11:43:45 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

New reader to s.c.s., but I am in need of e-mail help in Moscow.

I am interested in finding out if there is an internet connection to the 
Library of Foreign Literature.

If anyone knows if the connection exists, please e-mail me at Andym@bvc.edu 
or to John Klckentager at Johnk@bvc.edu.

Thanks in advance for your help.
From: rahman@ces.cwru.edu (Rahman A. Soomro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Rain Relief Fund
Date: 9 Sep 1992 19:52:12 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: easy.ces.cwru.edu


Dear friends,

Recent rains in Pakistan have caused devastating effects on the 
daily life of the Pakistani people. Scores of people have lost there
lives and more than a million have been homeless.

	I appeal to you to help our brothers and sisters in need
and donate some money to help them. Please send your contribution
(tax deductible) with your name and also I request you to collect 
donations from any source -- your colleagues at work, friends, business
associates, customers, persons from any nationalities and backgrouds
to help people in trouble. 

	We are tying you help suffering peoples, who are suffering
from disease and malnutrition.

Please mail your contributions to:

Pakistan Rain Relief Fund
4105 Providence drive
St. Charles, MO 63304
USA
From: vadim@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: The least nationalistic nation
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:49:51 EDT

In article <1992Sep11.085506.15526@husc3.harvard.edu>, zhelud@drfmc.ceng.cea.fr (Andrei Zheludev) writes:
> Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Sep11.085506.15526
> References: <13726.2aae1b56@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> <1992Sep10.113632.25768@cco.caltech.edu> <13741.2aaf5f1c@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>
> Organization: Conspiracy International
> Lines: 23
> Nntp-Posting-Host: husc9.harvard.edu
> Originator: verbits1@husc9.harvard.edu
> 
> In article <13741.2aaf5f1c@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> vadim@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
> 
>>   
>>  A ya to dumal chto za russkie pishut ves etot stuff v s.c.s.,
>>da my zhe prosto pyany. Eto mnogoe iz stuffa obyasnyaet.
>>  (And I thought who are those russians writing all this stuff in s.c.s.,
>>we are simply drunk. This explaines the most of the stuff)
>>
> 
> Ne, Vadim, ti mne to mozga ebat ne nado.. Intiligent nasholsia. Vse mi
> tut intiligenti, znaem. Vot vodaru to netupo gruzim, a vse ne spivaemsia.
> Odno slovo, inteligenti. A vse potomu, chto kostochka u nas est inteli-
> gentskaya, kotoraya pozvoliaet pit i ne spivatsia. Tak chto mumu
> Vadik porot ne nado, a nado chestno i priamo. Ti menia uvazaesh?! SUKA!
> VADIK! TEBIA SPRASHIVAYU! TI MENIA UVAZHAESH!? MOLCHISH?  RAZBORKI POSHLI?!
> TI BLIAT MENIA KONECHNO UBIESH , NO ZUB DAJU NAH.. NA TOT SVET TEBIA 
> S SOBOY VOZMU!. Mne poherzu, ja fraer ne mestnii, popishu i uedu, b...
> 8 hodok, 3 pobega, b.., ja sam sebia boius nah...! Tak skazhi,
> rodnenkiy, ti menia uvazaesh?
> 
> Hopefully, you are smart enough to take this one without ofence.
   
   Pizdi pizdi, stariy pizdun. Pomnyu popizdit' ty vsegda lyubil.
 Pomnyu kak seychas nalizalsya ty v sadu v institute teoreticheskoy
fiziki imeni Maxa Planka chto v Heidelberge i pones takuyu
huynyu chto lyubo dorogo bylo slushat' . Ya srazu otsek v tebe
intelligentskuyu kostochku. Pomnish hot chto pili-to, krome piva?
Po moemu to byla Frantsuzskaya krasnina, hotya ne uveren.
  Hopefully you are as smart as me ...
From: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: New Phone system in Russia ?!
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:51:13 GMT
Reply-To: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Followup-To: soc.culture.soviet
Organization: Boston University


A Reuters article by Fiona Fleck reports that the ATS-2 telephone
network, a parallel system to the domestic network in the former
Soviet Union, is now available to anyone who wants to pay for it.
While the existing domestic Russian network can be quite bothersome to
work with, the ATS-2 guarantees connections within 10 seconds, whether
inside or outside the CIS.  The network is run by the Federal Agency
of Government Communications and Information (FAPSI), and was
originally a secret Communist party network set up by Stalin in 1931.

Radio links, underground cables, satellites are all used in the
network, which provides for high survivability ie. one link goes down,
it is easily replaced with another route. 300 experts work on the
parallel system.

Cost of a regular ATS-2 line is billed at CAD$450 (equiv) per year; a
broadband circuit throughout CIS and eastern European states costs
CAD$4500 per year.

There is a directory assistance feature on ATS-2 which even gives out
Boris Yeltsin's phone numbers at the Kremlin, the parliament, and his
home.


dleibold@vm1.yorku.ca


Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: GLL@fnal.fnal.gov (Gregory Landsberg)
Subject: Re: Shafarevich and National Academy
Organization: SUNY at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:41:25 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1992Sep8.044354.15455@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@brauer.harvard.edu writes:

> In article <18aq59INNgtd@agate.berkeley.edu> muh@physics1 (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:
> >In article <1992Sep5.004354.15383@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
> >>In article <Btyqyu.FG8@apollo.hp.com> goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman) writes:
> 
> >>Huh? I don't get it too. There are Jewish academicians? 
> >>More than one? Please elaborate...
> 
> >I never was interested who is Jew and who is not, so just couple
> >of almost obvious examples: now: L.P.Pitaevsky, in earlier times
> >Ja.B.Zeldovich, L.D.Landau, I.M.Livshitz and E.M.Livshitz. Not that
> >I think that you should matter, but you seems so sure that there are not ...
> 
> Sorry, I did not know about Pitaevsky (though I am not sure
> about his ethnicity). Others you've named are dead. You
> cannot name more than one :), so your claim that there
> are Jewish academicians helping Academy to cure antisemitism
> are not substantional (to say it mildly). Probably I misunderstood
> your claim (which you have conviniently deleted :)
> 
> Misha.

I can name you a couple more, if you are so interested in this question :)

Lev Okun (ITEP), Semen Gershtein (IHEP)

Both of them were elected last December.

Cheers,

Greg
From: sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Shafarevich
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:01:21 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania




muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:

>In article <1992Sep7.040218.24040@math.ucla.edu> aps@sonia.math.ucla.edu
> (Alexei Stolboushkin) writes:
>>
>>Do you really mean that before the perestrojka it was not possible to
>>publish all this stuff? It seems to me that Belov's ``Vse vperedi'' was
>>published in millions of copies long before the perestrojka. Also,
>>let me remind you all these ``Litso sionizma'' etc. This is not to
>>mention all the ``samizdat'' published in SOAN (Novosibirsk akademgorodok)
>>and spread all over the country in these years with the obvios support of
>>the ``KPGB''.
>>

>I never red none of this bullshit,

  But you're sure that's a bullshit, aren't you?  I personally don't give
 a damn for "Litso..", but what, again, have people found antisemitic in
 Belov's book?  Yury, at least honestly said he didn't read the book,
 however, put it in a bullshit category. I would understand if some 
 oversensitive Jewish guy call Belov an antisemite (although, this 
 understanding would be reffered to this oversensetivity, but not to
 Belov's behaviour). I'm curious, what had Mr. Stolboushkin found offencive
 to Jews in "Vse vperedi"????
  Will you, guys, provide some prove for your words?  It's getting rediculous.
 
>As for sionism, meaning assembling all Jews in Palestina, 
>or idea of preference of Jewish nation (I think that was main object of attack
>of all those anto-sionist commities) I do not think it is all that good
>thing.

 The US are better, aren't they?
 The idea of preference of any nation is called fascism.

>Yury

  S.B.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: "democratic" Estonia
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 08:53:21 GMT


>
>  So now, at long last, Jarmo understood that Estonia & Latvia
>have taken a honorable place not among the more or less
>civilized european nations but rather among such thriving "democracies"
>as Uzbekistan and Azerbajdzhan. That was also my point, Jarmo.
>And I'm glad you finally managed to understand me.
>  But my concern goes even farther, dear Jarmo. I would
>dare to claim that Estonia is even worse than Uzbekistan
>and Azerbajdzhan. Uzbekistan and Azerbajdzhan, contrary
>to "ultra-democratic" Estonia didn't deprive their minorities
>(even Armenian !) the electorial rights and didn't accept
>outright fascistic citizenship laws.
>  Again accept my congratulations, Jarmo. You made not a bad
>progress during last week or two.


My concern is more about the douple standards  many, not all,
russians/polilicians have about the human rights, language laws,
citizenship laws etc. concerning Cenral Asia or the Baltics.
Thanks for the politeness Serega.


>>Sincerely yours,
>>Jarmo Ryyti
>>"Suomi - a country under the North Star"
>>
>
>  Serega & Co
>