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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:19:13 EDT
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From:         Tim Tumlin <UFTRT@NERVM.BITNET>
Subject: Re: behaviorism and clinical psychology

   Whoa, Dave, forget the curare-tipped arrow, where'd I put that javelin?
   Seriously, though.  I see what you mean about wanting to use as few
process constructs as possible, but I don't think it works that way.  If
you want to be just reductionist, shuck psychology and study quantum
mechanics or, at the most, subatomic physics. Everything else is just
redundancy.  The reason you, and I, don't is because we can't really
predict how carbon steel will react to wind shear on a bridge, how
a neuron will twitch in an evoked potential or when a hurricane will
strike just by studying subatomic physics. Oh, maybe when we get a
computer that's smarter than God, we'll be able to do that. Until
then we study processes at different levels because things act
differently at different levels.
   The traffic on an LA freeway actually can be explained with principles
of fluid dynamics because it acts like a thick fluid.  If you're driving one
car on an Iowa farm road, you won't be able to predict that, you wouldn't
know to predict it, and you couldn't test the dynamics.
   Recall that Milgram asked a bunch of psychiatrists to predict how many
subjects would go all the way and zap the victim in his experiment. They
said one half of one-percent would be so pathological. From an individual
standpoint they might have been right. Once you stuck a person in a room
with a guy with a lab coat and clipboard, the level of process went through
the roof and, what was it? 64 percent? administered a lethal dose.
   Chaos theory is built at least in part on the premise that the
fundamental structure of processes changes although within one class of
structure there may be incremental changes. I'm not sure I can talk much
about chaos theory, but you'll find that Jane Loevinger says the same thing
in her book Ego Development.  Behavioral theory is built on incremental changes
whereas ego development, Zen Buddhism and, to some degree, Milton Erickson's
strategic hypnotherapeutic practices are built on the notion of structural
changes. I have a professor who says psychoanalytic theory is also structural
and not incremental.
Tim
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From:         CASE ELIZABETH <PSYGRDDEC@ORION.DEPAUL.EDU>
Subject:      RE: criminal psych?

I think you're looking for forensic psychology, and yes, it is a sub-specialty
of psychology.  I don't know what schools offer it though.  Check with
APA's Psychology and Related Fields.

Elizabeth
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From:         "Sala, Linda" <KMSA@MARISTB.BITNET>
Subject:      unsub psycgrad

Thank you for telling me what to do.
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From:         "(Chris W. Schatschneider)" <cws3@PO.CWRU.EDU>
Subject:      In search of DR Francis

Does anyone know Dr. David Francis?  He's does research in
neuropyschology and is a stat guru.  I need his e-mail address.
If you know where he is, could you email me back at the
email address above.

Thank you

Chris Schatschneider
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From:         "Patricia Lombard Fiero" <plf2e@POE.ACC.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Subject:      MPD

        I skimmed the discussion on MPD (I don't have time to
actually READ Psych-grad digest anymore) and I thought those of
you interested in MPD might enjoy a film I saw.  I don't have the
exact reference but it is a tape of the TV show 20/20 on the
Hillside Strangler.  In a nutshell, the tape documents the case
of Ken Bianchi who was accused of strangling women in the early
1970's.  He pleaded the defense of "I didn't do it, my alter
personality did."  Many psychologists worked on the case and
disagreed about the veracity of his claim.  I don't want to spoil
the ending, but it is a SUPER flick.  I'll see if I can get the
exact reference, I think it was made in the 1980's.

Patty Fiero
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From:         "(Eric Zorrilla)" <zorrilla@CATTELL.PSYCH.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Freud Bashing

> Wouldn't you say that Radical Behaviorism is an anti-thesis to Psychoanalytic
> theory.  Skinner himself admits to reacting against what he was trained to
> believe.

It is the rare intellectual movement that is not a reaction to or an elabora-
tion on what has preceded it.  (And it can easily be argued that NO intel-
lectual movement is not, at some level, a consequence of what has preceded
it).  It hardly seems appropriate to me to CREDIT all subsequent thought to
a predecessor if the nature of that subsequent thought is clearly contentious.

Eric
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Subject:      QUERY: Positions open on the Editing Team

                 === Editors and Programmers ===

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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 12:31:00 PDT
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From:         lindberg@PSYCH.SSCNET.UCLA.EDU
Subject:      NRSA question

     Have any of you applied for (and perhaps even received) a NRSA (Public
Health Service National Research Service Award)?  If so, could you please
contact me directly so I can ask you some questions?
     Thanks,
     Nangel Lindberg @ UCLA
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 1992 10:50:30 -0400
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From:         "(Chris W. Schatschneider)" <cws3@PO.CWRU.EDU>
Subject:      Clinical and Experimental

Yesterday, I posted a very poorly worded question regarding psychology
as a helping profession.  Allow me to rephrase the statement

Whenever I am introduced to someone and
they ask me what I do for a living, I tell them that I am a graduate student
in psychology.  More often than not, I get one of the following responses:

	1) "Really,... are you analyzing me right now"
	2) " Oh yea, .... I had this dream last night, maybe you can tell me
	   what it means"
	3) " Ya know, I been having problems with my _______ (fill in
	   title of significant other)

I know nothing about dream analysis, nor have any skills in helping others
other than the ones I've learned as a human being.  I'm not suggesting that
the above questions are appropriate for clinical psychologist either.  It
just has me wondering what the two disciplines have in common.

Recently we had a discussion here about social psychology vs sociology, well
I am curious to hear what other grad students thought about what I see as
a great disparity between clinical and experimental psychology.
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From:         C_HAKALA@UNHH.UNH.EDU
Subject:      RE: criminal psych?

To all:

There are a number of programs that offer programs in psychology and law. This
may be what the young lady interested in criminal psych might be interested in.
At UNH, we have a woman who does extensive research on this topic (Ellen Cohn).
Also, there are a number of schools that offer a joint PhD and JD in psychology
and law (obviously). However, the only two I can think of are University of
Nebraska at Lincoln and here.

If the young lady interested in criminal psychology would like to read more
about it, she could look at Larry Wrightsman's book on Psychology and Law or
Curt Bartol's books on Criminal Behavior, Juvenile Delinquency or Psychology
and American Law. These should point her in the right direction.

I hope this was helpful.

Chris Hakala
C_HAKALA@UNHH.UNH.EDU
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:41:22 EDT
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From:         "Sala, Linda" <KMSA@MARISTB.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Multiple personalities...

There really is no excellent explanation I could give for that question.
However, I have seen Psychologists use hypnosis to determine if a
person may be faking multiple personalities.  It is one of the very,
very few things I can come up with.  Hope it was some help.

Linda Sala

Have you hugged your Psycho today?
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Date:         Sun, 27 Sep 1992 19:26:22 CDT
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From:         Vic Ferreira <vic@SPRACH.COGSCI.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:      Ok, I can't resist
              at Sep 27, 92 8:08 pm

The behaviourist comment by Tim makes it so I can't resist telling
this joke.  I'm sure many of you have heard it.

In more traditional times, two radical behaviourists meet, fall
in love and get married.  They're on their honeymoon, and they
have their first...er...encounter.  When it's all done, one
looks at the other and says "It was good for you, honey, was it
good for me?"

Vic
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:43:58 -0500
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From:         "Was mich nicht umbringt,
              macht mich starker" <12SHARDY@GALLUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Hops, barley, and ethanol for EVERYONE !!!

 Yes, you can.  Send me your snail mail department address, and I'll
send it bow-wrapped.

Bottles or Cans?

Kenn "they can never break me" White
in College Park


All right Kenn--perhaps I am a bit slow in responding to your offer but
College Park ain't far at all for me and I could really use a beer (or six)
right about now....Perhaps one at Ratsie's???

Steve
Gallaudet in Washington, DC
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From:         "Kenneth V. White" <kwhite@WAM.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      Insanity & MPD

Ratnose,

I agree that the term personality is still an elusive concept, and that
multiple definitions exist.

I'm still wondering, though, how other people feel about the MPD
being used as a manifestation of "insanity" (a legal term, by the
way, not psychological), to ask for relief of responsibility in
violent crimes.  It seems to me that in such cases, the credibility
of the patient/criminal should be brought under scrutiny.

The question is, How?

Kenn
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From:         Tim Tumlin <UFTRT@NERVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Freud Bashing

   Radical Behaviorists are the ones who think Skinner, Watson and
Thorndike didn't emphasize behavior enough. They're grown mostly in
the United States and sometimes band together in small communities. There
are rumors they may have their own newsletter and may try to have their
own presidential candidate soon.  The FBI is reportedly trying to infiltrate
their ranks but agents have been caught using phrases like "I think ...".
Whenever stories appear in the news media implying that humans have
thought processes, the RB's file complaints and demand equal time.
   That's about all I've heard of them.
Tim
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From:         "David M. Fresco" <FRESCO@UNC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: biological constraints

Elizabeth,
The animal learning world has indeed considered these biological (or
perhaps more specifically phyologentic) constraints on the condition-
ability of response classes.  Some hallmark examples are taste aversion
conditioning experiments by Garcia and Koelling (?) where smell/taste
was the stimulus signalling noxious food in rats while visual stimuli
(color) was more salient in pigeons.  The contingencies were modified so
that the other stimulus and perhaps a tone too served as the signal for
both rats and pigeons. But, yes, the conditionability of certain stimuli
was attributed to the phylogeny of the particular organism.
Similarly, operant behaviorists also recognize this phylogeny when
training certain organisms to respond to reinforcement schedules.  Rats
typically bar press because that response is considered more easily
shaped than hitting a lighted key which is usually the response of
choice in pigeons.
Finally, Seligman, from his animal learning days has offered us a whole
model of phylogentically wired responses which he calls Preparedness.
He surmises that all species evolved with an innate capacity to
readily learn certain responses that historically served an adaptable
purpose.  The preparedness model of phobias will serve to illustrate the
notion.  Back in his/her tree climbing days humans may have made home up
in the trees (perhasp to avoid attackers, etc.).  The perils of tree
habitation was of course falling to your death.  Thus, humans with the
innate capacity to leqarn careful tree habitation propigated, but also
passed down the genetic line, the capacity to fear heights.  My hurried
rendetition of Seligman's preparedness sounds a bit Lamarckian, but I
 don't believe that Lamarck was on Seligman's mind.
 David Fresco
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From:         "(Julie Marie Williams)" <jmw1@ST-ANDREWS.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: dissociation

Tim,
I found what you were saying about PTSD and depression really interesting.
Not working in this field, I've never heard of the Janetian model of
repression before.  Can you tell more about it, or give me a reference?
Also, I find the area of multiple personalties fascinating; has anyone out
there done any work in the area?
Hope to hear from people!

Julie
St Andrews
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From:         "Sala, Linda" <KMSA@MARISTB.BITNET>
Subject:      Apology

I am sorry.  I am not in the computer center enough to
read the abundant amount of mail that is incoming.  I
wish to temporarily exit from PSYCGRAD discussion group.

Linda Sala
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From:         Tim Tumlin <UFTRT@NERVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Dissociation References

Dissociophiles:
   I've dug up a few of the references you were asking about.
   The Big Kahuna you would be interested in is a book called The Unconscious
Reconsidered (1984) edited by K.S. Bowers and D. Meichenbaum.
   The chapter that dealt most with Janet was by Perry and Laurence
called Mental Processing Outside Awareness: The Contributions of Freud and
Janet.
   Also look at Development of the Structures of Unconscious Thought
by Bowers and Meichenbaum; Conscious, Subconscious, Unconscious: A
Cognitive Perspective by John Kihlstrom; and The Unconscious and
Psychopathology by Nemiah, all in that book.
   Kihlstrom, who is a super writer, also writes about the Janetian
model in the 1990 Handbook of Personality Theory and Research in a
chapter entitled The Psychological Unconscious. The book is edited by Pervin.
You can also find a very good discussion
of unconscious processes from a cognitive standpoint in
The Cognitive Unconscious (1987) Science, 237, 1445-1451.
   Another book worth looking at is John Bowlby's A Secure Base (1990).
A couple of his chapters/lectures deal directly with the idea that adults
abused or traumatized as children suffer memory lapses, particularly when
they are told explicitly or implicitly to forget unacceptable events by their
parents.  This sort of thing seems very similar to Kihlstrom's experiments
with amnestic suggestions to hypnosis subjects. (The subjecs recall the memory
when given permission; the patients recall painful events when in a secure
environment like therapy.)
   Finally, someone whose research I find fascinating is Pawel Lewicki. He's
written a 1986 book called Nonconscious Social Information Processing and
had a summary article in American Psychologist about 3-4 months ago. His
research indicates how much social information we learn and process outside
of awareness (massive amounts processed at speeds far beyond conscious limits)
   I guess that's about it.
Tim
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From:         Betty Harris <B1H6017@TAMVENUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Psych of sci list

Hey Tor,
Have you subscribed to the
>PSYCHOLOGY OF SCIENCE E-MAIL GROUP
Yet?  If so what's the message load look like?
Betty
b1h6017@tamvenus
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From:         CASE ELIZABETH <PSYGRDDEC@ORION.DEPAUL.EDU>
Subject:      biological constraints

Since we're on a sort of behaviorist vs. intrapsychic thing...

I had a comps question I'd be interested in hearing your opinions on.
Several studies have shown that there are biological constraints on what
behaviors can be conditioned in animals.  For instance, a rat can be
conditioned to run a certain path in order to avoid shock because running
is a natural response to adverse conditions.  However, they cannot be
trained to bar press to avoid shock.  Bar pressing is not a natural thing
to do when you're being shocked.

There's more, but this is just an example of w behavioral constraints
means.  The question is, why have learning theorists been slow to
recognize this and address it?  How do learning theories need to be
adapted?  And what does this mean for generalizing research on learning
from animals to humans?

I'd really like to hear some comments from the more behaviorally oriented
students out there.  I'm afraid I don't know any behaviorists to ask...

Elizabeth in Chicago
psygrddec@orion.depaul.edu
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SUB Christina Sullivan
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From:         "Walter M. Lakey" <psy9wml@CABELL.VCU.EDU>
Subject:      criminal psych?

To all:
      A young lady in my stats lab was asking me where she might find
a graduate program in "criminal psychology."  After we talked for a
while, we narrowed it down to "a study of criminal behavior."
      She (and i) have two questions. Does such a sub-specialty exist
in the realm of psychology or what come closest?  and  Is there a
university that offers a g-program in it?
      Our own university, Virginia Commonwealth U. offers a criminal
justice course or two, but that's more directed towards policework.

Can anyone respond to these questions?
thanx
peace
:-)
walter

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From:         STU_TAMILLER@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Subject:      unsub psycgrad

To Whom It May Concern:

Please unsubscribe psycgrad.

Thanks.
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Subject:      Re: Test Message

>Our computer has been off line getting its wheels greased or something
>and no messages have come through for quite a while.  Just checking the
>net before I get back to reading Dan Quayle's war memoirs;

There is a very convenient way of checking the status of the listserv and of
your network gateway, without sending an actual message to the list that will
go out to people.  Send a message to the listserv as you did when you
subscribed (listserv@uottawa).  The only line in the message should be 'thanks'
or 'thank you' without the quotes.  If your network gateways are working
properly, you should get acknowledgements back as your message goes zipping
across the country.  If the listserv is operating properly, you'll get a very
polite, 'You're welcome' back in the mail.  If it doesn't come back immediately
(45 seconds or so) it will when the listserv comes back on line.

Try it.  It works.

Don Gallogly
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