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From: amberle@staff.tc.umn.edu (Amberle S Ferrian)
Subject: Re: Voices in Aladdin
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:02:32 GMT


>The story is a little different for Aladdin.  Allegedly, Disney
>spent around 6 months looking for the perfect voice for Aladdin the
>character.  Scott Weinger (the person eventually cast) seemed to have
>the perfect voice, but he couldn't sing.  So Disney hired Brad Kane
>(who's worked on Broadway and TV--he's the guy who said "Silly
>Rabbit!  Trix are for kids!") to sing for Aladdin (he can't sing
>either, IMHO).  

I'm glad someone out there besides me thinks that Brad Kane can't sing.
My brother said something to the effect of "if they wanted a crummy singer,
why didn't they give me a call?"

>Jasmine originally did not have a singing part, and,
>apparently, Linda Larkin can't sing well enough.  Jasmine's speaking
>parts had already been recorded, so Disney held auditions and found
>Lea Salonga (Miss Saigon, Les Miserables) suitable--actually this is
>quite an understatement. :-)  All that trouble for just one song,
>but it was worth it!

What I'd like to know is why didn't they just have Salonga do the duet
version of the song, which I found to be bleating and pretty blase.  I have 
to ask the same question (see above) with regards to Regina Belle.
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From: rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Plot inconsistency in Aladdin?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 00:59:19 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
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In article <C0pMpq.Gw@world.std.com> pd@world.std.com (Peter F Davis) writes:
>In "Aladdin," Aladdin wishes to be a prince, so that he can properly woo the
>Princess.  Since the genie is supposed to be all-powerful, I assumed that he
>would turn Aladdin into a genuine prince.  However, for the remainder of the
>picture, the story is handled as though all the genie did was to dress him
>like a prince.  He keeps worrying about Jasmine's finding out that he's not
>a real prince.

Oh, I was hoping that nobody would bring this up!  I just think to
myself: "Otherwise, there wouldn't be a story!"  But something could
have been done--after all, Robin (excuse me, Genie ;-) ) did make a
Sultan out of Jafar, like he requested.  If Genie couldn't steal a
kingdom for Aladdin, I'm sure that he could have conjured one up, just
like the entire royal caravan that made Aladdin look like a prince.

My opinion is that Disney tried to slip one by us (deja vu) because,
again, there wouldn't be much of a story otherwise.  I would've done
the same, I think.  In the original Arabian Nights tale, BTW,
Aladdin really did get everything he wanted (princess included)--no
limitations (even on the number of wishes!) or exceptions.  A "bad
guy" stealing the lamp by trickery makes up most of the plot near the
end.


- Robert Cook
From: f012@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: TLM questions (was re: rec.arts.disney)
Date: 5 Jan 93 23:02:32 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>#
># The one that keeps me up nights is, where are Eric's parents?  They weren't
># even at the wedding...if he has no parents, why is he Prince and not King?
># Unless he has a brother who is King, but even so you'd think he'd be at the
># wedding......the overall feeling you get is that 'the kingdom' is Eric's
># kingdom, but in that case he should either have parents or be the King...
>
>If he hasn't reached his majority, Eric could be ineligible to be king
>until he gets a bit older.  Probably he rules through a nominal
>regent--this is a nice movie; no worries about land-power struggles.
>
>--
>ssc@nwu.edu | "I wasn't even good at the Nintendo of this!"
>
I thought of that, but consider:   Grimsy (who I assume was some sort of
advisor, if in fact not the very 'regent' you brought up) was very upset that
Eric was not yet married, making me think 2 things:  #1, he WAS considered
'mature' by whatever community standards there were, hence he would also be
able to rule as King if he was such, and #2, the the fact that Grimsy WAS
upset meant that the KINGDOM was upset 'cuz he wasn't married yet...as
kingdoms will be when there is a single unmarried ruler with no progeny to
carry on the line of succession (to avoid thsoe messy land-power stuggles)

Besides which, going by most monarchies, isn't the 'King' ALWAYS called the
King, even if he isn't allowed to rule on his own?  I dn't know enough about
these things but I thought that would be the way it worked....

There's no point in making much of it, it's a typical Disney plot
hole/overlook...but still, it's fun to talk about!  :)

JD

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From: rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Voices in Aladdin
Date: 10 Jan 93 15:05:44 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
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In article <C0MDF9.I80@tsoft.net> seanmei@tsoft.net (Sean Mei) writes:
>	I noticed by looking at the Aladdin CD
>that the voice actors for Aladdin and Jasmine
>were not the people that sang the songs.
>I was wondering if this were true for The Little Mermaid and Beautyu
>and the Beast, like did Paige O'Hara sing the songs that 
>Bell did?


This is a good question, but definitely a FAQ by now.  Paige O'Hara is
a singer and actress by trade (on Broadway).  She spoke and sang for
Belle, just like Jodi Benson (Crazy For You) did for Ariel.

The story is a little different for Aladdin.  Allegedly, Disney
spent around 6 months looking for the perfect voice for Aladdin the
character.  Scott Weinger (the person eventually cast) seemed to have
the perfect voice, but he couldn't sing.  So Disney hired Brad Kane
(who's worked on Broadway and TV--he's the guy who said "Silly
Rabbit!  Trix are for kids!") to sing for Aladdin (he can't sing
either, IMHO).  Jasmine originally did not have a singing part, and,
apparently, Linda Larkin can't sing well enough.  Jasmine's speaking
parts had already been recorded, so Disney held auditions and found
Lea Salonga (Miss Saigon, Les Miserables) suitable--actually this is
quite an understatement. :-)  All that trouble for just one song,
but it was worth it!

BTW, it's a good thing that Robin Williams can sing well enough!


- Robert Cook
From: jcichock@ep.ieee.org (J Cichocki)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Disney Movie Posters
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:53:05 GMT
Reply-To: jcichock@ep.ieee.org
Organization: IEEE, New York, NY

I have a few Disney posters available:

Aladdin
Newsies
Beethoven

e-mail if interested.

These are the original theater posters, new and never hung in the lobby.

Well I didn't know Beethoven was a Disney movie??

Jeff
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From: bleikamp@convex.com (Richard Bleikamp)
Subject: WDW hours in Feb?
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:29:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Does anyone know the operating hours of the major parks in WDW
for Feb. 12-14, 1993.  And which, if any, will have night parades/fireworks?

thanks, rich
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Subject: Request: FTP sight for any and all Darkwing pics and sounds
From: cnelson@poblano.gac.edu (Christian C Nelson)
Date: 12 Jan 1993 16:06:12 GMT
Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College
NNTP-Posting-Host: poblano.gac.edu


I know it might have been asked before, but I lost the post. 
Please post me any and all ftp sites and directories for any and all  
Darkwing duck sounds, jpg's, gifs, and the like.
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From: Ben.Magid@launchpad.unc.edu (Ben Magid)
Subject: Re: Disney CDs
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:19:15 GMT

In article <7JAN199314093918@jetson.uh.edu> chee1m1@jetson.uh.edu (Gronlund, Nancy L.) writes:
>Does anyone have the boxed set of CDs with classic Disney songs from
>many of the animated and nonanimated films?  I saw it in music stores just
>before Christmas, and am interested in getting it, but I wanted someone 
>else's opinion.  It has songs from movies up to and including BatB, but
>not from Aladdin.  Any opionions??
>
>Nancy
>CHEE1M1@JETSON.UH.EDU

 I got the box set for christmas and I havn't stoped listening to it since. I 
really recommend getting it. Its worth the monry.

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From: riouxp@rs6325.ecs.rpi.edu (Peter Joseph Rioux)
Subject: Re: Favorite Female Disney Cartoon Characters
Reply-To: riouxp@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:33:20 GMT

In article <1ito29INN75p@sumax.seattleu.edu>, kiuchi@sumax.seattleu.edu (Tuff Hedelman fan) writes:
|> This search for an in as a trainee for Disney animation folks has seemed to come
|> to a hopeless end. Oh well, anyways, though, keeping with the spirit of things,


ok, i am not usually too critacal.. ,( unlees you have seen my list of inconsistencies in b+b.. all 87 of them...:).. but theat was just to end the already critized movies was just getting to me, so i tried to stop the citicism then adn there...but this post just got to me....
|> here are my picks for favorite female Disney cartoon characters (for 92): 

ok.. you have you right to your opinion.. however strange they may be...
|> 1. Belle (of Beauty and the Beast)  
|> 2. Pistol (from Goof Troop) 

umm... could we say that you like to rock the cradle?... hmmmm?
|> 3. P.J.'s mother (don't know name) (Goof Troop) 
 i'm not sure of this one.. but peggy?.. (i have seen it twice.. niether one with her in it...

|> 4. Gasselyn (sp?) (DarkWing Duck) 
try gosalyn

|> 5. LP's female boss.. (don't remember her name either) (TaleSpin)  
umm.. lp?... try baloo.. unless there is some strange episode that i haven't seen.. and btw, her name is becky...

|> 6. Gadget (Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers) 
not a bad choice...

|> 7. Jasmine (from Aladdin) 
even better....
|> 
|> 1best-7okay 
|> 
|> just my .02
|> 
|> kevin 
|> 
|>  


well, i guess you could say that i took your two cents and gave you a cent and change back...:)


btw, my choices are :
ariel
jasmine
belle
gadget
becky

those are my top five... 

squid
(having fun under the sea....>:)
From: f012@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: rec.arts.disney
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:47:12 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>    I have an interesting question that has been keeping me up nights:
>Concerning The Little Mermaid.  It seems that Ariel and the mer-people are not
>too fond of eating fish and other sea creatures (the Sea King despises humans
>for this bad habit).  So anyway, my question is this: After Ariel marries
>Prince Eric, will their meals ever include fish ?  It seems that Eric's
>kingdom is by the sea, so that the folks in general will eat plenty of fish
>there.  What does Ariel think of this?  And how will she handle the idea of her
>fish friends being eaten by the kingdom folk?
>    I know that this is a silly question, but has anyone else stayed up nights
>wondering about this very thing?
>
Personally I've always wondered what the heck they ate if they didn't eat
fish....seaweed, seaweed, and more seaweed, I guess.  Pretty bland diet.
Judging by their bodies, though, a suitably nourishing one...

The one that keeps me up nights is, where are Eric's parents?  They weren't
even at the wedding...if he has no parents, why is he Prince and not King?
Unless he has a brother who is King, but even so you'd think he'd be at the
wedding......the overall feeling you get is that 'the kingdom' is Eric's
kingdom, but in that case he should either have parents or be the King...

Anyway to your original question:  I dunno...I guess they'll never eat fish,
but it's hard imagine Ariel telling the whole kingdom to not eat fish anymore.
 Maybe they'll work out a prisoner-release system with King Triton and only
 eat 'bad' fish... :)


 
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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: pinnochio video re-re
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:10:00 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <C0qxB4.py@cmptrc.lonestar.org> brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton) writes:
>In article <1is9csINN7vg@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> michelle@theloop.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>>Eric;
>>I'm not too sure why Disney does some of the things that you said, but I do know why the
>>BaTB laserdisc is so late...
>>According to an interview of Jeff Katzenberg by Roy Leonard of WGN this summer, 
>>the reason that the laserdisc of BaTB is late is that the theatrical release in Europe of BaTB was
>>this summer.  His reason for the late release is that, as you well know, a laserdics is basically
>>brodcast quality, and up to now cannot be copyguarded.  Evidently, almost immediately after
>>other laserdisc releases, these films show up all over the world having been copied from a 
>>laserdisc.  So's to protect their investment, and the Eruopean release, it's late.....
>>I want one, too, and I dont have a laserdisc player (yet)..
>
>I have two problems with this reasoning:
>
>First, why try and copyguard the tapes, anyway.  It dramatically shortens the
>life of the tape and increases instances of returns when the copyguard gets
>"carried away" (no, I don't feel like explaining how the copyguard works,
>again).
>
>Second, why not release in foreign markets at the same time as the American
>market?  Don't give me the line that they have to make the translation, because
>if they were worried there wouldn't be a market for the non-translated, why
>not release the LaserDisc?  Certainitly the same market they didn't have for
>the English version wouldn't be there for the Laser anyway and the people
>who want to see it in their own language will still go to the theater.  Either
>Disney needs to get a brain, or stop lying to us and admit they do it to try
>and get LaserDisc owners to buy the tape AND the LaserDisc.
>
Sorry, my angst is a little high this morning.. please don't start that flame
war again about Disney's motives.  We've done it before, this was just a
point I don't remember seeing previously.

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From: dgalvin@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Dan Galvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Lion King (and a bit more)
Date: 11 Jan 93 10:08:08 EST
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Toledo / Recreation

In article <1993Jan11.130657.10342@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>, chenry@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (catherine.b.henry) writes:
> Greetings, Net-folk:
> 
> I have seen some talk in this group about "The Lion King" -- can anyone
> give me an approximate story line? I and my kids were just wondering what
> it was about.
I have seen a blurb.. I believe on the travel channel about the artists all
piling in the car to go to Miami to look at giraffes and lions and elephants so
that they can draw more 'realistic'.  The basis was to be able to send all
these artists to a place where they could all have the experience, without
having the expense and trouble of sending all the way to Africa.  I guess they
wouldn't want to send the artists to Busch Gardens, which is closer, because of
the competition  (?) 

> BTW, just got my Aladdin CD -- I love
> the music, but wish there were more "character" songs.
Well I was not to thrilled to be paying $20.00, but to find the CD on sale
would have meant that I could not listen to it!  I am not a big nut on buying
these kinds of soundtracks, but I must admit I LOVE it.  I even have it at
work.. wonder if anyone would mind if I played it on the Pool Deck where I
work.. Little Mermaid was a big favorite for some reason in the swimming pool  
;-)
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From: riouxp@rs6325.ecs.rpi.edu (Peter Joseph Rioux)
Subject: Re: Voices in Aladdin
Reply-To: riouxp@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:57:04 GMT

In article <1it91nINNj8d@phantom.gatech.edu>, dsm@phantom.gatech.edu (Danny McGurl) writes:
|> In article f012@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu writes:
|> 
|> >I was wondering, who is Bruce Adler, and why did HE sing 'Arabian Nights'
|> >instead of Robin Williams?  RW sang on the Genie's other two songs, but not
|> >that one...which I don't understand...is there some story here?  Did RW want
|> >too much money for 3 songs so they gave the 'least important' one away?
|> 
|> Well, there is a real question as to whether or not the merchant is the
|> genie and what possible supporting evidence of it got cut out (the voice 
|> being the same is pretty thin IMHO).  I suspect that Disney decided to be
|> subtle in the reuse of the voice...
|> 
|> Is the merchant the genie?  Who knows what lurks on the cutting room floor :)


yes, .. check the number of finger on the genies (as compared to a human) .. and then the peddler...:)

squid
(   ending up with too much time on my hands again...:)
From: quetzal@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal)
Subject: Re: BatB question
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:59:15 GMT

In <1993Jan6.180312.23187@pmafire.inel.gov> geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen) writes:

>>Like how they mix up their accents.  For example, Sebastian has a
>>Caribbean accent, the merpeople have no accents, and Louis the Chef
>>speaks French. 

>Well, the merpeople *do* have accents.  They're just standard American
>accents, so you don't notice them.
>;^)

Ummmm,   yeah, I noticed that as well. . . .  At least, *Americans*
don't notice them.  But of course there is no such thing as *no* accent,
so you've gotta choose something; naturally Disney chose the accents
that would be "noticed" by the least number of people seeing the film.

>>Cody, the boy in The Rescuers Down Under, doesn't
>>have an Australian accent, even though his mother does.  I guess
>>that consistency in certain areas is just not very important to
>>Disney.  I, for one, don't notice unless I look for it.

>This could well have arisen from a difficulty in finding a child to
>voice Cody's part who had an Australian accent (though you'd think
>there'd be *some* kid in the L.A. area with a Australian accent who
>could do the part).

Errrrrr......  Actually, strangely enough, there are quite a lot of them
in Australia. . . . .

:)  I don't think it's the reason at all.

Tim Pickett.

Hang on, let me try for the role:  "Nah-oo wahr-ies, Mahm, Oy'm kahm-ing
roight back."  There.  Say *that* with "no accent!"
From: chris@arb.uucp (Chris Chamblin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: : What's the story with Cinderella?
Date: 8 Jan 93 12:23:22 EST
Organization: Not an Organization


=>From: hank@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Lisa Henry)
! Has already written :
=> When was Cinderella released on video?  A friend of mine got a copy
=> from a friend of his, and it surprised me because I hadn't heard about
=> it being out.  I started collecting the tapes with the release of The
=> Little Mermaid (I came out of the theater singing my fool head off!
=> rather embarrassed my companion...).  Cinderella is one of my favorites,
=> although I really enjoy them all.  Any chance of me picking up a copy
=> some where?  Anyone have any extras?  
=> 
=> -- 
=> *************************
=> Lisa Henry
=> hank@bcstec.ca.boeing.com

Cinderella was releaced about 3 years ago.  It has long since been discontinued.  Either you'll have to find it used or try to order one thru a video mail order.  Sometimes they'll have extra copies left over.
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From: myawn@hpcupt3.cup.hp.com (Mike Yawn)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:41:24 GMT
Subject: Re: Re-post of the Hidden Mickey list
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney

I think we spotted two previously unreported Hidden Mickeys on our last
trip to Disney World -- anyway care to try to confirm these?

In the Horizons ride (EPCOT Center), just as your vehicle enters the 
space colony, there is a view through windows of the colony rotating
beneath you (landscape moves from top to bottom).  At one point, there
were three dome-like structures outlined with small lights that were
definitely a Mickey.  The loop of film displaying this scene runs longer
than it takes to move through the scene, so on another trip through we
did not see the same view.

In the Imagination ride, there is a scene of Figment in a 'dressing room'
with costumes (he's playing with a Dreamfinder mask).  The hem of a dress
at the very beginning of the scene has a lace-like border with circular 
cutouts; an extra length of the border material has been stapled on at
one point to create a Mickey.

Mike "but I couldn't find Mickey in the broccoli" Yawn
     
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From: pietras@csd630a.erim.org (Alan Pietras)
Subject: Adventures in Wonderland
Organization: Environmental Research Institute of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:46:12


Has anyone seen an audio release with the theme from Adventures in 
Wonderland on it? I have a Disney Afternoon tape but I think it is
too old for this song.

Thanks,
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From: ad198@yfn.ysu.edu (Carl Landis)
Subject: Re: rec.arts.disney
Reply-To: ad198@yfn.ysu.edu (Carl Landis)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:18:52 GMT


In a previous article, reyna@devl.fnal.gov () says:

>    I have an interesting question that has been keeping me up nights:
>Concerning The Little Mermaid.  It seems that Ariel and the mer-people are not
>too fond of eating fish and other sea creatures (the Sea King despises humans
>for this bad habit).  So anyway, my question is this: After Ariel marries
>Prince Eric, will their meals ever include fish ?  It seems that Eric's
>kingdom is by the sea, so that the folks in general will eat plenty of fish
>there.  What does Ariel think of this?  And how will she handle the idea of her
>fish friends being eaten by the kingdom folk?
>    I know that this is a silly question, but has anyone else stayed up nights
>wondering about this very thing?
>

Forgive me for coming up with this one, but _I_ was wondering what the
outcome would be of a movie entilted "Gaston Meets Bambi".

-Carl
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