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From: idc@ukc.ac.uk (I.D.Catchpole)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: INXS vs. Jewel Box (was Re: INXS New Album?)
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:16:57 GMT
Reply-To: idc@ukc.ac.uk (I.D.Catchpole)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <u882517.716553978@bruny> u882517@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Blos!) writes:
>>>     I've heard from Tower Records employees in both Austin, TX and Vienna,
>>>     VA that _Welcome to Wherever You Are_ will not only not be sold by Tower 
>>>     in a Jewel Box, but will not even be marketed by the manufacturer in a
>>>     Jewel Box AT ALL!  Sorry.
>
>Well, for what it's worth, all the copies I've seen here in Australia are
>in jewel boxes...and they are from here (as many people seem to forget!)


    Same for those of us in England.  Every shop I've been to
around here has _Welcome to Wherever You Are_ in a plastice jewel
box.

Ian
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From: dlucy@sandr.COM (Douglas Lucy)
Subject: Re: INXS New Album?
Organization: S&R Software, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:08:22 GMT

In article <18ltthINN9aq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
 (Michael Lerner) writes:
>
> I heard somewhere that a new INXS album just came out or will be coming out
> shortly.  Does anyone have it yet, is it any good?

Yep, it's out. I like it. I'm a diehard INXS fan and I like most
of the tracks. It's different, harder, and  more raw. The guys did
their own mixing and production and it shows. It's not as slick
as it could be, not that it's bad. I do have two HUGE complaints:
1) it's in a brain-dead ECO PAK, and 2) it's mixed with no black
holes between the tracks, which means you CD player may not give
you a seamless play that's needed to hear the tracks correctly and
the songs (played one at a time) have carry-over from the previous
track and may bleed into the next track's intro.

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From: banz@umbc8.umbc.edu (Robert Banz)
Subject: Sigue Sigue Sputnik
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:24:37 GMT

I was wondering if anyone can tell me where I can get a copy of Sigue Sigue
Sputnik's "Flaunt It" and "Dressed for Excess"  Most record stores around
where I live haven't even heard of them.  If anybody can point me towards a 
domestic or "affordable" foriegn source, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Thanks in advance.

Rob Banz (banz@umbc8.umbc.edu)
From: hank@waffle.sns.com (hankdtank)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Looking for Miles in 20bit
Date: 13 Sep 92 21:14:22 GMT
Organization: Systems'n'Software, Fremont, CA  94539-6669

Anyone have a date for Sony's release of Miles Davis' "kind of Blue" CD in 
the new 20bit format?
 
How about Verve's 10 CD box set of Billie Holiday?

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From: kauff@neit.cgd.ucar.edu (Brian Kauffman)
Subject: Re: INXS vs. Jewel Box (was Re: INXS New Album?)
Organization: NCAR, Boulder CO
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:44:11 GMT

> = gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky) writes:
> well, in the states, it's *only* available in the damn eco-pak.  in
> fact, there was an ad recently trumpeting how inxs was using
> the eco-pak in the states, and this circled the ad for the 
> disc itself.

Again, appearently they determined to sell us whatever shit they damn well
feel like selling us, as opposed to selling us the quality we've plainly 
asked for.  This is the approach that earns American products a bad reputation.
Just a reminder that the music business is rarely driven by artistry or 
quality.  It's a wonder artists can get through to us at all.

EG. Can anyone provide the story on the Beatles catalog CD releases?
I thought I read about an remastering hack-job that was narrowly averted.

-Brian
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From: Charles.R.Hohenstein.1@nd.edu (Charles R. Hohenstein)
Subject: Re: Comments on Bose Express Music
Followup-To: rec.music.cd
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:43:47 GMT

In article <RBS.92Sep15011031@mink.uk.ac.ed.aisb>, rbs@uk.ac.ed.aisb
(Robert Scott) wrote:
> 
> 
> CD prices in the UK are about the same in UK$ as in US$
> which at current exchange rates makes CD in the US half the prices
> they fetch here in the UK.
> This means that mail ordering from the US is an attractive prospect
> for US Brits.
> 
> Several US companies now offer CDs by mail order and are advertising
> in UK magazines.
> The most widely advertised is Bose Express Music which claims to
> have a 240 pages catalogue with 50,000 CDs listed and charges a fixed rate
> of S&H (P&P in the UK) which means if we order enough CDs it gets us
> nearer to half prices CDs.
> 
> My question is:
> 
> What reputation does Bose Express Music have?
> Do they usually have the CDs requested in stock?
> How express are they?
> 
> In short, are they worth it?
> 
> I'd be grateful for answers by email.
> 
Unfortunately, my experiences with Bose Express Music have not been that
positive. Not only are CD's frequently out of stock, but I have not been
clearly informed of backorder status and have had to invest in numerous
phone calls to track down orders. Like many other retailers in the music
business, their orientation seems to be toward the sort of music I would
charitably describe as impermanent. A quick glance at the disorganization
of the classical section of their catalogue ought to reveal something about
their (in-) abilities.
From: rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: DCC vs. MiniDisc
Date: 10 Sep 92 11:32:43
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
	<1992Sep10.041338.4634@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: kariba.bbn.com
In-reply-to: jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu's message of 10 Sep 92 04:13:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.041338.4634@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:

   My main gripe with recordable CD tech at this point is that (so far) it
   is only Write-Once-Read-Many.  Granted, a disk that you can record yourself
   is better than one you can't, but wouldn't one that you can record over and
   over be better than one you can only record on once???



MiniDisc is not a WORM technology -- you can record on it as many
times as you like. One interesting feature of recording on random
access media: if you decide to record over one track, the replacement
track can be longer than the original, so long as there's room for the
excess somewhere else on the disc. Or, it can be shorter and you don't
have left-over junk between the end of the new track and the next
track on the disc. These are quite nice features, imho -- yet another
reason to prefer MiniDisc to DCC. As has been pointed out, the
compatibility issue is somewhat bogus. DCC decks are able to play
analog cassettes only because they're essentially two machines in one.
This isn't "compatibility" in any meaningful sense. So, unless DCC's
data compression scheme turns out to be much better than the one used
in MiniDiscs, the former format looks like a real loser from most
rational points of view. Unfortunately rationality means very little
in the marketplace, despite the fantasies of free-marketeers: just
look at vhs vs beta.



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From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Residents' Freakshow
Keywords: residents freakshow wanted
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:03:58 GMT

tim@cs.cosc.georgetown.edu (Tim Snyder) writes:

>In article <1992Sep8.192558.29068@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> ack@coos.dartmouth.edu (Andy J. Williams) writes:
>>I've been looking for Freakshow by the Residents on CD and have had no
>>luck of late. The guy at the local CD shop looked through his ESD catalog
>>and came up blank. Anyone know where I can get it? (ESD is the Residents'
>>label)

>Gee, And, looks grim.  I wanted to buy a _Show_ for Larry Spence as
>a "welcome to DC" gift" way back last June, and there were no _Show_s
>to be had.  I regularly look through the Rez sections of stores and
>the _Freak Show_ has disappeared.  Other disks seem to cease to be 
>manufactured, then they appear a year or two later.  Ralph promised
>me over the phone about two years ago that _Live at the Apollo_ would
>come out "within a month."  What gives here?

>If anybody has info on what is and is not being printed by the RezKings,
>please post it here for the benefit of the Stimpsons and Malcolms of our
>world.

ESD isn't really the Residents label - Ralph/TEC Tones almost is but both
really just license from Cryptic Corp, at least in the US. Freak Show was
due for a major label release but they backed out and the Rezzies presed it
themselves, with NO LABEL listed on it. It's almost certainly still available
from Ralph/TEC Tones at 109 Minna #391, San Francisco, CA 94105. I don't
know what's up with other issues and re-issues. But the Freak Show comic book
and limited cd is due out soon or maybe already out... 

 - Malcolm, off in his own world today.  


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From: ivan@berlioz.nsc.com (Ivan Wemple)
Subject: Pink Floyd's _The Wall_ gold CD
Originator: ivan@buckeye
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:23:31 GMT


Hey!

Sorry if this thread's been posted to death...

I recall hearing that the Mobile Fidelity Ultradisc version
of Pink Floyd's _The Wall_ was out-of-print.  Is this true?

I just saw a few copies (leftover?) in a local CD store
for $40.99.  Should I buy one (or two)?  If I *do* buy it,
should I open it and listen to it, or just stash it away
somewhere?

Ivan

p.s.  I didn't have a writing instrument, but the catalog
      number was UDCD followed by a four-digit number (2537?)

Thanks!
From: schuster@panix.com (Michael Schuster)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: One Way Records quality (was Re: New Renaissance CD Reissues)
Date: 5 Sep 92 00:44:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <13267@texsun.Central.Sun.COM> Bob.Netherton@dallas.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>
>If anybody has heard both the One-Way and the Japanese pressings, please
>comment about relative sound quality.
>
>I never noticed the edits in Rajah Khan or At the Harbor, but the edit
>in Ashes Are Burning still burns me up.  I have been about to drop the
>bucks for the Japanese release but can be talked out of it with a few
>favorable comments on this new release.

In my opinion the sound is superior to the Capitol "In The Beginning"
compilation. I'm willing to bet the Japanese pressings are better.
Based simply on the level of tape noise I'd bet the One Way pressings
are made from decent tapes, but later generation masters than the
Japanese verisons (at 2.5 times the price). I don't have the Japanese
pressings of these two CD's so I can't make a =direct= comparison.

I'm also trying to decide whether I hear distortion in the bass on
Carpet Of The Sun ... and, if so, where it was introduced (studio,
intermediate generation analog tape, or CD mastering). I'm not =sure=
it's there (or perhaps it was always there and I never noticed it).
Anyone with the One Way pressing of Ashes care to listen real close?
 
All told, they sound a whole lot better than One Way releases by some
other artists that folks have posted about here. I also have a One
Way release (through CBS/SONY, mind you) of a Flo & Eddie record.


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Subject: Re: WANTED: Residents' Freakshow
From: tim@cs.cosc.georgetown.edu (Tim Snyder)
Date: 9 Sep 92 02:06:12 -0400
Followup-To: tim@normal.georgetown.edu,rec.music.cd
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University, Washington DC
Keywords: residents freakshow wanted

In article <1992Sep8.192558.29068@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> ack@coos.dartmouth.edu (Andy J. Williams) writes:
>I've been looking for Freakshow by the Residents on CD and have had no
>luck of late. The guy at the local CD shop looked through his ESD catalog
>and came up blank. Anyone know where I can get it? (ESD is the Residents'
>label)
>Andy J. Williams    |  AndyJW@dartmouth.edu      |  echo "Hello."
>...

Gee, And, looks grim.  I wanted to buy a _Show_ for Larry Spence as
a "welcome to DC" gift" way back last June, and there were no _Show_s
to be had.  I regularly look through the Rez sections of stores and
the _Freak Show_ has disappeared.  Other disks seem to cease to be 
manufactured, then they appear a year or two later.  Ralph promised
me over the phone about two years ago that _Live at the Apollo_ would
come out "within a month."  What gives here?

If anybody has info on what is and is not being printed by the RezKings,
please post it here for the benefit of the Stimpsons and Malcolms of our
world.

 Timident

 Timothy Law Snyder
 Department of Computer Science
 Reiss 225
 Georgetown University
 Washington, DC 20057

tim@normal.georgetown.edu
(202) 687-6208

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From: cwoei@Uz.nthu.edu.tw (Chen)
Subject: Help !
Organization: National Tsing Hua University (HsinChu)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 01:18:36 GMT
From: yawitz@apple.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Clannad's Anam - short question
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:57:41 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer

What are the main differences between the US and European versions of the
latest Clannad album?


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Xref: sparky rec.music.cd:6467 misc.forsale:26247 pa.forsale:875 phl.forsale:592 phl.music:136
From: eeh@trac3000.ueci.com (Eric Holte)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,misc.forsale,pa.forsale,phl.forsale,phl.music
Subject: CD 4 sale
Keywords: CD
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:50:21 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: usa
Organization: UE&C - Catalytic in Philadelphia, PA

Acoustic Alchemy "Back on the Case" CD forsale. Still in shrink wrap, never
opened. $10.00 plus s&h.
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From: n5ppm264 (Charlie Board)
Subject: Re: UK CD prices hit the roof / Why not swap with US friends ?
Organization: bnr
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:22:48 GMT

In article <Sep.10.22.40.36.1992.17464@pilot.njin.net>, gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky) writes:
> 
> just a followup to richard's post - in the u.k., there are MANYT
>  singles released, in all sorts of sizes and formats, to help 
>  a song chart higher.  and, in the u.s., since the list
>  price of a cd single (6.49) isn't that substantially less than the
>  list of a disc (14.99/15.99), most companies do NOT push the
>  singles; in fact, many songs are not available on cd single.
>  
> so, the only way to get them is from the u.k.  i'd suggest that
>  to u.k. people, and i know also that i'm looking to get traders
>  over there for some discs that mightbe found in u.k. used shops,
>  in exchange for some u.s. used discs....
> 
> - bob gaj

I second that. There are several UK Springsteen singles I want (including
one scheduled for Sept. 21 release that I'd kill for) and I'd be glad to
trade with any UK netters. If you're interested, email to cnc405@bnr.ca

Charles Board
> 
> 
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From: dlangs@sunstroke.sdsu.edu (Derek Langsford)
Subject: Re: UK CD Prices Rise *Again*
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:47:53 GMT

gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky) writes:
> well, for al and all u.k. buyers who are fed up with the prices...
> 
> there's a guy running a net-service for imports.  his username,
>  i believe, is angst@cs.ucsd.edu.  name's dave, i think?
> 
> anyhow, i've dealt with him before, and quite reliably ,thanks.
>  i believe his disc prices are around 19-20$, american?  i don't
>  know what he'd charge for postage to the u.k., but i can't imagine
>  it being more than $4 per disc, or so, especially if you bought
>  two or three.  and, presto!  there's your 12L limit.

Airmail postage to the UK for 1 CD is around $4 excluding the packaging.
I also get the impression we could see UK import prices rising in the US.
My local dealer indicates that his costs have risen $1 or $2 to $17 or
$18.  Thus you may see prices rise to $22 or so.  The slide in the $ 
against both the L and DM will add pressure to raise import prices in 
the US.  I hate to think  what Tower might do as they already charge
$23.99 to $25.99 for a regular full price UK import and they have a 
better supply capability than the little guys.  

> i have NO idea why we can get imports in the states at prices
>  cheaper than it costs you in the u.k., but there it is.  

Remember that UK prices include 17.5% VAT (sales tax) which does
not go on exported goods.  So an exporter gets his discs at cost without
VAT, adds his profit and ships it abroad.  The importer adds his distribution
fee and sends it to the stores.  By the time he adds his profit we get the 
price to the US buyer before sales tax.  I assume that the profit margins 
involved and the lack of VAT more than makes up for those that are 
imposed on a disc by the UK system.   

Still I can see how it must annoy the UK consumer.

Also, remember when Virgin America were packaging UK discs in long boxes and 
selling them at US prices - a great time for import buyers but a clear 
indication that UK prices are inflated.


Derek


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From: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Renaissance
Date: 12 Sep 92 15:24:28 GMT
Reply-To: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems

Can anyone give a concise history of the band?  Starting with Keith and Jane Relf?
I have been a fan since Novella and have most of their recorded outputs, 
Camera_Camera and Timelines being the conscious omissions.  I almost bought
the Illusions album when it was still available.  Now I am kicking myself for not 
doing it.  Any comments would be appreciated.

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From: d'mayeur@tierkey.edu
Subject: Superstitions about the Eco-Pak  (was digi-crap)
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:17:05 GMT

In article <6202@transfer.stratus.com> winter@gressenhall.sw.stratus.com  
(Brian Winter) writes:
> In article <1992Sep4.131818.548@news.cs.brandeis.edu>  
weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Adam J. Weitzman) writes:
> >
> 
> >I honestly think that the person who thought this up should be shot  
through the hands and then forced to listen to 1000 of these CDs without  
getting blood on the artwork. :-) I gave in on Digipaks for CD5s because  
it keeps the price down and it's just a single, no need for a booklet or  
whatever,but I *REFUSE* to buy the new INXS or Deee-Lite CDs in those  
awful Eco-Paks.
> 
	
-------	Oh, come on!  The newly designed Eco-Paks are just fine.  In fact,  
I think they are much better than the digipaks.  
	Whoever it was that complained that the Eco-Paks are difficult to  
assemble and are flimsy and whatever else obviously has never inspected  
one.  It takes all of about three seconds to slide and lock the plastic  
disc tray into place.  It then takes about two more seconds to fold the  
inner cardboard photos over the booklet pocket.  It's really nice because  
the outside case of the Eco-Pak is hard plastic so it won't bend or tear,  
and it also "snaps" closed just like your typical jewel box.  This is far  
superior over the (mostly cardboard) digipaks which lack a hinge and  
constantly flop open.  When closed, the Eco-Pak is exactly the same size  
and appearance of a jewel box.  The only difference is that there is more  
artwork on the inside flaps and that there is nothing to be thrown out.   
And you shouldn't have to worry about having to replace it, because it is  
sturdily constructed (unless you prefer to throw your compact discs around  
like frisbees or bite them or something).
	So go ahead, if you haven't already, don't restrain from  
purchasing INXS' "Welcome to Wherever You Are"  (I haven't seen the  
Dee-Lite Eco-Pak, so I can't speak for it).  In fact, most record stores  
will more than likely have a display model on hand so you don't even have  
to buy it to check it out.
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From: lawrence@cmu.unige.ch
Subject: Joe Walsh CD
Organization: University of Geneva, Switzerland
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 05:57:08 GMT

-- 
Hi,
Could someone point me to the Joe Walsh CD (or compilation) containing
the song "Look at us now". I heard it on the radio yesterday and would like
to get hold of it.

Thanks, Graham :-)

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From: buckmr@vccnw02.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Peter Gabriel Re-releases: Birdy & More
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 19:23:05 GMT

toj8j@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (T.S. Eliot) writes:

>For those of you (like myself) who have long bemoaned the fact that Peter
>Gabriel's soundtrack to Alan Parker's _Birdy_ was only available on CD as an
>import, here's heartening news.  Geffen has apparently started rereleasing
>selected portions of the Gabriel catalog.  I found a DOMESTIC release of
>_Birdy_ in my local CD shop (Plan 9) on Friday, and the proprietor tells me
>there's some sort of recombination of "Rainy Windshield" and "Fingernails"
>on a single compact disk, due out about a week or so before the release of
>_Us_.
Huh? US is being released Sept 29th in the USA.
BIRDY has been out for atleast three weeks [I saw it domestically in LA then]

>As I had only heard _Birdy_ on a third- or fourth-generation dub, the opening
>sounds from the CD were, let us say, stunning.
Really? Hmmm. I love the Soundtrack to THE LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST. What is
this other soundtrack like? Any ``traditional'' vocals, or cool moody stuff?

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