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From: ch@sg1502.chemie.uni-marburg.de (Christoph H. Hochstaetter)
Subject: Re: Fault-tolerance (Was: NT Peer to Peer File Sharing)
Organization: Philipps-University Marburg
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:18:34 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.162838.27166@odin.corp.sgi.com>, ben@sgi.com (Ben
Passarelli) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep29.071105.8337@microsoft.com> alistair@microsoft.com
|> (Alistair Banks) writes:

|> >"Lan Manager for Windows NT" will be desirable when administering
|> >networks with large numbers of Windows NT machines, or when
|> >server fault-tolerance is desired -- Alistair
|> 
|> What features are planned in the area of fault-tolerance?  Does this
|> include disk mirroring?  -- Ben
|>   
As far as I can guess from the disk manager menu (GUI FDISK), local
disk-mirroring is included in the /NT base product.

I think the /NT-LANMAN is needed for remote disk mirroring.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: Can two NT machines share files or not?
Date: 29 Sep 92 06:48:10 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <Bv369L.6A6@unx.sas.com> sasdxk@skyhawk.unx.sas.com (Dave Kolb) writes:
>
>So can two NT machines share their files systems or not without
>a separate LANMAN server?  The NT install doc implies one can do
>this but I've been unable to find any other doc that talks detail yet.

Yes they can, no seperate server is needed

>Can they share files w/ the Windows for Workgroup machines without a
>separate LANMAN server?

Yes, Windows NT and Windows for Workgroups will be able to share
each other's file without another server -- Alistair
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: tad@wrq.com (Tad Marshall)
Subject: Re: Win NT, some simple questions
Organization: Walker Richer & Quinn, Inc., Seattle, WA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:16:13 GMT

In article <TORSTEIN.92Oct6135926@itekiris.kjemi.unit.no> torstein@itekiris.kjemi.unit.no (torstein hansen) writes:

>3) Does the pre-release support Lantastic Networks?

The July '92 release does not support Lantastic ... I wouldn't hold my breath.

>4) Is there anybody who will give an educated guess on what I will
>have to pay for Excel, Word etc. compiled for the Indigo version of
>Windows NT? Will it be much higher than the PC version? 

MS is recommending that software vendors provide binarys for all currently
supported NT platforms in the same box ... I assume that that means that
they will be doing this ... so if there is a supported Indigo version, it
might be included in the same package as the PC version.  This is quite
theoretical at this point, as you can imagine.

>5) When will the NT be available for the Indigo? At what price?

As far as I know, there has been no definitive statement of support for
the Indigo.  Last I heard, support was promised for only Intel 386/486 PC
compatibles, MIPS R4000 ACE/ARC machines (which the Indigo is not), and
DEC Alpha.  Others may happen, but have not yet been promised.

>6) Is there any roumors regarding the final price on the Win NT?

MS has suggested that they expect the price to be below $500 US.  No promises
though.

>7) What compilers will be supporting Win NT? (I am currently using
>Turbo Pascal for Windows) 

Borland has demonstrated their C++ under NT ... I assume that Turbo Pascal
would be ported also, but I haven't heard any announcements.

-- Tad Marshall
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: hmikola@polaris.utu.fi (Hannu Tapio Mikola)
Subject: Re: Photo CD? (Re: CD-ROM drives)
Organization: University of Turku, Finland
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 21:11:12 GMT

One Kodak salesperson (in Finland, two months ago) said that you should ask
for a drive compatible with CD-ROM XA-standard Level 2. He also knew for sure
that there already is one model for Macintosh and Sony is currently working
on their drive for PC's.

Hannu Mikola   hmikola@utu.fi
From: jell@ztivax.UUCP (Thomas Jell)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: CD-ROM necessary for Installation?
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:04:38 GMT
Organization: Siemens AG, Munich, W-Germany
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Is it possible to install Windows NT on my PC without having a CD-ROM?
I have already transferred the NT-CD content to my SUN.
On my PC I have PC-NFS and enough disk space.

Martin Deuter                   Internet: martin@km21.zfe.siemens.de
Siemens AG, ZFE BT SE 4         Phone:    +49 89 63647626
8000 Muenchen 83                Fax:      +49 89 63640747
Otto-Hahn-Ring 6
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: baker@westsd.dco.dec.com (Art Baker)
Subject: Re: Proaudio 16 + NEC CD-ROM
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:59:31 GMT

In article <107400001@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> mike-b@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Michael Bishop) writes:
[...]
>
>My question is:  Will the Windows NT Beta release (scheduled for this
>October) have support for the Proaudio 16 soundcard?  Will this support
>also include the SCSI portion of the soundcard so that I can get access
>to my CD-ROM while running Windows NT?

 A call to Media Vision's technical folks reveals that Media Vision has
no plans to support the PAS-16 under Windows NT.  It is their opinion
that their customers should be able to get by with the SoundBlaster 
emulation features of the PAS-16.

 If Trantor writes a driver for the SCSI controller, then at least the
CD-ROM drive would work under NT.  I don't know what Trantor's plans
are.

 You might want to give Media Vision a call and register your opinion on
their decision:

	BBS:	(510)770-0968
	voice:	(510)770-8600

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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: johnyg@microsoft.com (John Geer)
Subject: Re: CD-ROM drives
Date: 26 Sep 92 21:53:56 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Sep24.223935.22575@trl.oz.au> wallace@titan.trl.OZ.AU (Glenn Wallace) writes:
>johnyg@microsoft.com (John Geer) writes:
>>to the SCSI-2, but that is where the similarity ends.  A specific 
>>driver must be written for this card and Sony writes them. 
>
>Sony bus: Yeah, well the doco said that, but I didn't *believe* them :-)
>
>[So many companies these days rip off defacto standards and rename them... but
>hey, "It's a Sony" (tm) "The One and Only" (tm)]
>
>"And Sony writes them": for DOS or NT? Are you saying they *have* an NT
>driver for it or they *should write* an NT driver for it?

They *should* write one.  I have no idea if they do.

>I've given up ringing the local (Australian) agent for Sony CD-ROM
>stuff, they're too far out of it.

You might try and contact them in the US, they're usually quite receptive.

>Any comments on the SB Pro controller driver for NT, while you're here?
>I'm willing to bet money that its ommission was political (a'la 3.1?), 
>but then I'm the paranoid/suspicious type. :)

No idea.

-- 
John Y. Geer
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: dew@Turing.ORG (David E. Watson)
Subject: Re: Photo CD? (Re: CD-ROM drives)
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:18:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep20.164744.5481@infonode.ingr.com> bbrown@infonode.ingr.com (Bailey Brown) writes:
>
>When will the photo-CD compatible drives be coming out?  What is
>this quality of photo-CD compatiblity called (there must be a
>buzzword for it)?  I want to get a CD drive for my home 386/33
>so I can climb onto the NT bandwagon, but I'd feel really bad
>if I got a drive now and found out that if I had waited a couple of
>months I could have gotten one that works with photo-CD.
>
>Also, does anyone know the best non-kilodollar tape drive to get
>that works with NT?  
>
>Thanks.
>
>------------
>Bailey Brown                               "Above all else, confusion reigns."
>Intergraph Corporation                                  
>bbrown@casca.b11.ingr.com                              Procol Harum

Bailey, from the research I've done into Photo CD compatible CD-ROM
drives, it seems one of the major differences is the ability of the
Photo CD compatible drives to read multiple sessions.  The Photo CD
technology allows a person to have their photographic images placed on
a CD.  They can then take this CD back to their local photo dealer and
have additional photographic images placed on the disk until it is
filled up.  Current CD-ROMs do not understand multiple sessions.

There are several major manufacturers that are coming out with Photo
CD compatible drives between now and the end of the year, but I have
not been able to find any that are currently on the market. (I called
several sources a couple of weeks ago.)

The following information is from a Kodak news release dated 
March 10, 1992  and from Kodak's Desktop Developer News (vol.1,no.1):

Philips Consumer Electronics Company	tel: (615)521-4366
	CDD 461 Audio ROM Drive (multisession)

Pioneer		tel: (800)421-6450
	DRM-604X CD-ROM Minichanger - jutebox design (6 CD) some quite
	interesting specs concerning speed.

Sony 		tel: (408)432-0190
	CDU-561 CD-ROM Drive - <300ms access time, 300KB/sec data
	transfer rate, advanced digital audio capabilities.

Toshiba		tel: (714)583-3000
	XM-3301BK Drive

___________

Unfortunately, I doubt that there will be drivers for the Windows NT
pre-release; so, I'm not sure how that plays into a decision of which
CD-ROM drive to purchase.  I am in the process of building a new
system, and I am having the same problems/questions concerning how to
best use my financial resources and still jump into the Windows NT
arena.  I haven't found a workable solution yet. :-(

David
 





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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: rion@Ingres.COM (Rion Cassidy (x3357) OGT)
Subject: Re: product name 
Reply-To: rion@Ingres.COM 
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:03:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.003620.15924@microsoft.com> philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara) writes:
>
>     I disagree - The product is not called NT - it's called Windows NT.
>
>					-Phil

I don't know Phil.  This news group is called win32, not winnt.  But then,
you ARE a Microsoft employee, so you SHOULD know.  Seems like I've heard
Bill Gates state that the operating system was NT, the environment is Win32.

Could someone clarify the official name of this product??

Rion



Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: beng@microsoft.com (Ben Goetter)
Subject: Re: How to run net cmds at boot time?
Date: 02 Oct 92 21:23:42 GMT
Organization: Microsoft, WGA Eightball

In article <1992Sep30.202724.21003@u.washington.edu> tad@wrq.com (Tad Marshall) writes:
| In article <BvCq4y.H52@unx.sas.com> sasdxk@skyhawk.unx.sas.com (Dave Kolb) writes:
| >Is there anyway to run things like "net start tcpipsvc" and
| >"net share ..." and "net use ..." commands at initial boot time?
| 
| I saw some reference somewhere to a way to do this exactly once, but I
| couldn't figure it out.  Maybe you saw the same thing ... I can't remember
| where I saw it.

Instructions for automatic "net start" on the PDK release:

Start regedit.  Open HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services.
Look therein for the service you want to autostart (e.g. LanmanServer).
Set the Start value of the service to 2 (this is SERVICE_AUTO_START if you
know the Win32 Service Control Manager APIs).

Subsequent releases will control this through the Control Panel.

--
Ben Goetter, beng@microsoft.com
From: bert.tyler@satalink.com (Bert Tyler)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Is it time to split this
Date: 26 Sep 92 16:31:00 GMT
Reply-To: bert.tyler@satalink.com (Bert Tyler)
Organization: Datamax/Satalink Connection * Ivyland, PA (215) 443-9434

> I am thinking that is soon approaching the time where this newsgroup
> into smaller, more specific forums.

Of the ten or so newsgroups that I follow, this one has the fewest
messages by far.  Given that, I don't really see a need to subdivide it.

                   Bert Tyler   (bert.tyler@satalink.com)
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: adykes@jpradley.jpr.com (Al Dykes)
Subject: GNU Software CD-ROM for NT ?
Organization: Unix in NYC
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 20:45:12 GMT

Can someone point me to the company that has ported the GNU software
to NT and is distributing it on CDROM.


Thanks.

Al Dykes
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: act@softserver.canberra.edu.au (Cyclops)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP Problems
Organization: University of Canberra
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 03:04:14 GMT

dnater@verity.com (Dan Nater) writes:

>WINDOWS NT
>Beta July 1, 1992
 ^^^^ Preliminary!!

>I am having trouble getting TCP/IP started.  I have a 3com 3c507 ethernet card.
>When I run: 

>net start tcpipsvc  

>It fails with some pretty lame messages....
>Have any of you had the same trouble?

Sure have, and still am having!!.

I have tried both dos2nt.bat and graphic install(using WD8003EP card and have
the latest WDLAN.ZIP) and as of yet have had no luck.  Some suggestions that
may help:

1. Get WDLAN.ZIP off ftp.uu.net in vendor/microsoft/... and have a look at the
README.TXT which will give some 'useful' info.
2. Have a look at the errors in the Windows NT system log which can be viewed
in the administration folder.  I have not yet been fully able to interpret the
info therein(Any Docco anybody?).
3. Look for interrupt conflicts.
4. Make sure that the following files exist:

	a %SystemRoot%\system\drivers\afd.sys
	b %SystemRoot%\system\drivers\streams.sys
	c %SystemRoot%\system\drivers\tcpip.sys
	d %SystemRoot%\system\drivers\nbt.sys
	e %SystemRoot%\system\drivers\telnet.sys
	f %SystemRoot%\system\drivers\etc\hosts
	g %SystemRoot%\system\drivers\etc\protocols
	h %SystemRoot%\system\drivers\etc\networks
	i %SystemRoot%\system\drivers\etc\lmhosts

If they don't then copy them off of your CD.  This info pulled out of mail on
the compuserve forum.

I would be interested in 'me tooing' any e-mail you get and keep us posted.

Regards
-- 
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Xref: sparky comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32:1263 comp.unix.questions:11651 comp.unix.dos-under-unix:55
From: osoelgaultier+@CMU.EDU (Stefan Monnier)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.dos-under-unix
Subject: Re: NT Under SCO Unix
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:29:34 GMT
	<1992Sep30.160153.8954@terminator.cc.umich.edu>
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.comp.unix.questions: 30-Sep-92 Re: NT Under SCO
Unix Sarr J. Blumson@sinshan. (1050)

> In article <BvDzyE.7JF@world.std.com> apl@world.std.com (Anthony P
> Lawrence) writes:
> >This has puzzled me.  Microsoft obviously does not see any market for
> >character based applications.
> >
> >Yet there is a market, and it isn't teeny, so why do they cripple
> >NT in this way?
> >
> In an earlier but relatively recent incarnation I did software
> development for you basic, not very sophisticated in computers, modern
> company (a machine tool builder).  The software development was using
> a 486 box running SCO to do cross development, using ASCII terminals.
> I tried to persuade the administrative types that by getting $500
> terminals they could do their Lotus and Wordperfect on our machine (we
> had plenty of capacity).  For about $600 they could get 25mhz 286
> machines for their desks instead.  I was not successful in my sales
> effort.


> Prices have reached the point where the per desktop (or whatever)
> advantage of character terminals is sp marginal that it's not worth
> giving up the things they can't do, except in _very_ special cases.



> (Sarr Blumson)


It's not the problem: those 286 won't be able to run the WNT
graphical applications fast enough: it's gonna be text based !

The problem is not between terminal/computer but graphical/text based

As you pointed out, 286 are cheap: and they are good for text based
applications. That's why WNT should not restrict itself to graphical
applications: a minimum to run a window GUI is a good 386
But, microsoft expect those 386 and 486 to get as cheap as terminals so that 
it won't be a problem anymore !

Any way, I'll miss the possibility to run remote applications (as
it is possible with X-windows)

	Stefan

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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: gdragner@geppetto.encore.com (George Dragner)
Subject: SUN SPARC CD-ROM
Summary: how to connect it
Keywords: NT SUN SPARC
Organization: Encore Computer Corp.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 11:52:55 GMT

We connected our Sun Sparc CD-Rom to the adaptec
1542 board by getting a pair of crimp to ribbon
connectors one being the mating connector to the
one on the rear of the adaptec card and the other
being the 50 pin din used by sun on the sparcserver
4/3xx then we were able to use the cable Sun sent
for connecting this unit up to the CD-Rom to cable
it in.  We are also building a cable with a scsi2
connector on one end and the mating connector to
the adaptec on the other end.  This type of hook-up
worked great and the Sun CD-Rom worked great.
The first approach was fastest and easiest providing
you already have the cable for the 50 pin din to scsi2,
the second is more convenient but much harder to construct
since the scsi2 connector is quite small and the layout
of the crimp on pins doesn't match 1 to 1 with the 
champ connector on the adaptec.  The 50 pin to champ is
press on crimp at both ends with no muss no fuss.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: sasdxk@skyhawk.unx.sas.com (Dave Kolb)
Subject: MEP editor
Originator: sasdxk@skyhawk.unx.sas.com
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 22:15:24 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


How is/was one supposed to find out about "mep"?  It seems like an OK
line mode editor and seeing a suggestion on one of the posts I edited
\mstools\init\tools.ini and changed the helpfile path at the bottom
of the file to "c:\mstools\bin\mep.hlp".  This helped me enough to get
by but isn't there some more on mep like a general overview etc?

I couldn't find anything in the "winhelp" stuff either.

I guess I also got spoiled by OS/2's "epm" editor with the rings of
files.  Any plans for a GUI cut n" paste multi file editor for NT?

Thanks,

-- 
David Kolb                    Opinions are my own not SAS'
SAS Institute, Inc.           EMAIL:      sasdxk@unx.sas.com
SAS Campus Drive - J206       Phone:      (919) 677-8000 x6827
Cary, NC  27513-2414 USA      FAX:        (919) 677-8123

Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: NT Peer to Peer FIle Sharing
Date: 29 Sep 92 07:11:05 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Sep28.155719.1536@solaris.rz.tu-clausthal.de> ch@sg1502.chemie.uni-marburg.de (Christoph H. Hochstaetter) writes:
>
>Maybe someone at Microsoft (Alistair?) can tell us, when there is a need
>for a seperate LAN-Manager in the retail version.

"Lan Manager for Windows NT" will be desirable when administering
networks with large numbers of Windows NT machines, or when
server fault-tolerance is desired -- Alistair
From: cparker@centerline.com (Charles Parker)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: how to get non-SCSI CDROM accessible under NT
Date: 6 Oct 1992 17:45:08 GMT
Organization: CenterLine Software
Distribution: world
Reply-To: cparker@centerline.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.2.37

I am a newcomer to NT. My immediate goal is to set things up so that I
never have to boot DOS. Please forgive the perhaps obvious nature of
these questions, and feel free to point me to particular on-line
documentation.

1) I have a SONY CDR-??? CDROM sans SCSI. Is there any way
   to get NT to recognize it ? 
2) failing that, how do I get things so that an NT-based 
   DOS session can see it ?
3) how do I get my setup so that I can run my 16 bit winapps
   under NT ?
4) is there some sort of NT command line somewhere ?

	cparker@centerline.com
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: leehart@microsoft.com (Lee Hart)
Subject: Re: product name
Date: 01 Oct 92 07:25:16 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Summary: Win32 = API, Windows NT = Operating System

In article <1992Sep30.190350.160@pony.Ingres.COM>, rion@Ingres.COM (Rion Cassidy (x3357) OGT) writes:
> In article <1992Sep30.003620.15924@microsoft.com> philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara) writes:
> >     I disagree - The product is not called NT - it's called Windows NT.
> 
> I don't know Phil.  This news group is called win32, not winnt.  But then,
> you ARE a Microsoft employee, so you SHOULD know.  Seems like I've heard
> Bill Gates state that the operating system was NT, the environment is Win32.

The 'product' currently out there is the Microsoft Win32 Software Development
Kit for Windows NT.  Win32 is an API, currently available in pre-release form
on the aforementioned product, and later in subset form for Windows 3.1, in
the form of the Win32S extensions for Windows 3.1.  Windows NT is an operating 
system that supports, among others, apps that conform to the Win32 API.  
Unfortunately NT is much easier to say (or type) than Windows NT, but as 
Alistair likes to point out, NT means Northern Telecom (or Ninja Turtles if 
you prefer :).  


Lee Hart
leehart@microsoft.com  ...uunet!microsoft!leehart   76150,2536 on CIS
Not a Microsoft Spokesperson, just an engineer who has been tripped up by
this myself.
From: mikeo@spider.co.uk (Mike Overton)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: NT DDK Conference ?
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:38:12 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK

After initially deciding not to go, on the grounds of cost, I've
now decided to go to the US conference. But I seem to have mislaid
the booking form, originally posted on the announce group. Could
anyone mail me a copy, or give me the phone no of MS in the states
to call to arrange it.

Thanks in advance.

Mike Overton.

P.S. The trip is personal, and is not connected with Spider.
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32