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From: cchapman@matd.gatech.edu (Charles H. Chapman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Columbus and 1492
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:17:48 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <schuck.715278705@sfu.ca> schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck) writes:
>
>>I'm confused. There was a Columbus flick released last week, right?
>>1492 will be released in October (or is it November), right?
>>I thought 1492 was the Columbus flick. R there 2 Columbus
>>flicks coming out this year? If not, was the hell is 1492
>>about?
>
>Yes...there are *two* Columbus flicks.
>
>Christopher Columbus : The Discovery starring George Coraface[?],
>out now, with an all-star cast [ie it sucks] made by the Salkinds
>and directed by John Glen , responsible for the last 5 James Bond
>movies. I heard they paid 5$ million for Marlon Brandos dreadful
>performance as Torquemada -- the Inquisitor.
>
>and
>
>1492 with Gerard Depardieu , coming in the fall.
>Yes 1492 is about Columbus.

I read that when the Salkinds decided they wanted to make a movie
about Columbus a few years ago, they went out and registered all
the "Columbus" names they could think of with the MPAA.  The other
group had to use "1492" because it was about the only possible
Columbus-associated title left.


Chuck





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From: cooper@cos.com (Gary Cooper)
Subject: Re: Best War Movies?
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 19:33:37 GMT

In <1992Aug10.192544.27411@jade.tufts.edu> gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris) writes:

>	The Bedford Incident-- More of a cold war film, with an American sub
>hunter hounding a Russian submarine near the Arctic Circle.

Another good "arctic" war movie is _49th Parallel_ with sir Larry
(nazi spy in the great white north....)

gary cooper (not the dead one) 
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From: ccx020@cch.coventry.ac.uk (James Nash)
Subject: Re: Columbus and 1492
Organization: abUSENET, Coventry University, Coventry, UK
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:21:59 GMT

In article <schuck.715278705@sfu.ca> Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes:
>buccb@after.math.uiuc.edu (Carlos Dragonslayer Butler) writes:
>>I thought 1492 was the Columbus flick. R there 2 Columbus
>>flicks coming out this year? If not, was the hell is 1492
>>about?
>Yes...there are *two* Columbus flicks.

WRONG!!! There are **Three** Columbus flicks. The two mentioned
below and the one which will obviously be the best...

	Carry on Columbus.

Currently in (post-) production (?), starring Jim Davidson and
Julian Clary and many others; though not many of the original
Carry On team members as they are nearly all dead now.

>Christopher Columbus : The Discovery starring George Coraface[?],
>out now, with an all-star cast [ie it sucks] made by the Salkinds
>and directed by John Glen , responsible for the last 5 James Bond
>movies. I heard they paid 5$ million for Marlon Brandos dreadful
>performance as Torquemada -- the Inquisitor.
>and
>1492 with Gerard Depardieu , coming in the fall.
>Yes 1492 is about Columbus.

James Nash, Computing Services, Coventry University, England
ccx020@uk.ac.cov.cch
--That's forward slash (bottom left to top right) 'user', spelt u-s-r...

P.S. For those of you who really don't know: Carry On were/are a
loose ensemble of many great British comic actors (Sid James, Charles
Hawtrey, Kenneth Williams, Kenneth Conor, Barabara Williams, etc. etc.)
who made 20+ films from the 50s onwards until they all started dying.
Carry on Screaming was probably the best IMHO. Carry on Up the Khyber
was probably the best title.
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From: jor1@hera.uucp (24315-rich)
Subject: Re: Upcoming movies (Malcolm X)
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 13:46:26 GMT


Malcolm X is an A-hole.
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From: rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: Re: robert vaughn blackballed?
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:39:21 GMT

> 
> How about the voice of Proteus in Demon Seed -- Robert Vaughn when he
> was blackballed in Hollywood?
> 
> GMS
----
I didn't know he was blackballed... Why?

rlw
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From: vanover@bcsaic.boeing.com (Jann VanOver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Cast of Dracula
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:50:53 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services AI Center, Seattle

In article <1992Sep1.154305.1@dac.mdcbbs.com> asr_2@dac.mdcbbs.com writes:
>
>> Jonathan Harker: Keanu Reeves
>>    (_Point Break_, _Dangerous Liaisons_)
>  They must have needed a moron, he will basically have to play himself.
>  After such a stellar cast selection did they really need to this, I 
>  can't recall his character, but I hope he is short lived.

Jonathan Harker - you can't recall the character?  The character around
whom the story revolves?  The man who is trapped in Dracula's castle,
trying to escape throughout the whole first part of the book?  Fiance
and, later, Husband of Mina - the MAIN female character?  The man who
has the single GREATEST reason to see Dracula destroyed - if dracula
lives, his wife becomes a vampire!

I'm sorry - but You'll have to put up with Keanu throughout the WHOLE
movie!  He IS the one who kills Dracula!  (Oddly enough, with a metal
knife!)

PS - Fans of Dracula SHOULD read "The Dracula Tapes" by Saberhagen
(Fred, I think).  An excellent portrayal of Drac's side of the whole
story!

Jann E VanOver
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From: huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston)
Subject: Re: Films with no females
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:47:41 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.213547.28992@unlv.edu> frank@cash.isri.unlv.edu (Frank Jenkins) writes:
>The Treasure of Sierra Madre...Bogie and Walter Brennan

The person on Barton MacLane's arm when Bogie and Tim Holt found him certainly
*looked* female.  However, don't you mean Walter Huston (no relation, alas)
instead of Walter Brennan?

-- Herb Huston (No, Anjelica's not my cousin)
From: higgins@accel.aa.washington.edu (Andrew Higgins)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: "Fitzcarraldo"--German or English?
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:52:14 GMT
Reply-To: higgins@accel.aa.washington.edu (Andrew Higgins)
Organization: U of Wash Dept of Aeronautics and Astronautics

I've just seen Werner Herzog's "Fitzcarraldo" and the documentary "Burden
of Dreams", and am left somewhat confused.  "Fitzcarraldo" was obviously
in German (I saw it with English subtitles).  But the scenes from "Burden
of Dreams" lead me to believe it was filmed in *English*.

From "Burden of Dreams", certainly the earlier scenes with Jason Robards
were in English, and I could have sworn that later shots with Klaus Kinski
were in English as well.

Either:

1)  "Fitzcarraldo" was filmed in English, dubbed into German, then released
	here with subtitles.

2)  "Fitzcarraldo" was filmed in German, and the documentary footage in
	"Burden of Dreams" was dubbed into English.

Both of these are difficult to believe.

Either way, both spectacular movies.  Seattle's Neptune Theater just showed
them together with "Apocalypse Now" and "Hearts of Darkness."  A wonderful
combination.
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From: rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus)
Subject: Re: Paradox in T2
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 10:51:51 GMT

In article <zarthac.715507457@camelot> zarthac@camelot.bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons) writes:
>This might have been discussed b4, but my roommate just came up with
>an interesting thought:
>
>Since in T2, when they destroyed the Hyperdyne systems, thus destoying
>SkyNet, they destroyed the world where john's father comes from, and
>since in the first movie, he said he was born after the war started,
>he doesn't exist anymore, he can't go back and make sarah pregnant...
>Therefore, he can't lead the resistance so the computer will be
>built...
>
>Nice little paradox, eh?

AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Walrus

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From: garrem@aix.rpi.edu (Matthew Olsen Garretson)
Subject: Re: Double Life of Veronique: Soundtrack?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 02:30:23 GMT

Questions about the soundtrack to this film come up every few months or so.
Like etxsahm@eua.ericsson.se (Marten.Sahlen) just mentioned, it was composed
by Zbigniew Preisner. Incidentally, this guy also did the music for EURPOA,
EUROPA.

Anyway, what Marten didn't mention is that the soundtrack is on the French
label Sideral and has the catalog number SID 001.  I used to post the address
and telephone number for the company, but the disc is much easier to find
now than when I was first looking for it.  I know that Tower in NYC has it;
you might try ordering it from them (I don't know their ##).

And now for the chain-of-thought thought of the day: the guy who directed
EUROPA, EUROPA will be directing the film version of the musical THE SECRET
GARDEN. I forget his name.
-- 
Matt Garretson                       :-)                          garrem@rpi.edu
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From: sboiarsk@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sean L Boiarski)
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 04:13:01 GMT

After my admition that Highlander II was one of the most embarasing films of my
cinematic life:

>>You can say that again! I can't imagine Sean Connery (of all people)
>>running around muttering crap like .." Warriors of the planet Zoist.."
>>Can't they find a more dignified name for a planet ?!! But my ultimate
>>worst movie was a cheap Z-grade piece of shit which I can't even re-
>>member the name. It was about an Egyptian curse (or something) and
>>the bad guy (or girl, can't recall) places a beetle on the good guys
>>chest and the beetle burrows its way into the guys chest. That's all
>>I remember.
>>
>>The one that comes pretty close is Poltergeist III.
>>
>>kelvyn
>
>If you can't believe Sean Connery would do HL II, check out that John
>Boorman atrocity , "Zardoz". His dialogue in that is even worse, but
>it does feature a lot of nudity and colorful, psychedelic effects.
>
>                        --Judex--

Actually, I kinda liked Zardoz. Don't hate me, its just that I was in that kind
of mood. It was three A.M. and I was watching "Night Owl Theatre", Fritz warned
me that it was really bad, so I dug in with my Coke and prepared myself for 
some good B-film action. Sort of like an acid trip, but with stranger 
conections (hope nobady dislikes this spoiler) espesially the wizard of OZ 
thing.

Sean
From: ala@fico.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: movie scripts wanted
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:43:25 GMT
Reply-To: ala@fico.UUCP (Adryenn Ashley)
Organization: The Fair, Isaac Companies, San Rafael, California

In article <rabjab.38.0@golem.ucsd.edu> rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof) writes:
>>  Does anyone know where I could order screenplays to various recent movies?
>>I think that a while back, someone gave the address of a place that sold
>>scripts, and was actually discussing scripts to movies that were not in release
>>yet...
>                       Hollywood Book and Poster Company
>                       6349 Hollywood Blvd.
>                       Hollywood, CA 90028
>                       213-465-8764

Also:

			Hollywood Scripts
			5514 Satsuma Ave.
			North Hollywood, CA  91601
			818-980-3545
From: wwr@calmasd.prime.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Film with the least actors
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:04:19 GMT
Organization: Computervision - A Division of Prime Computer

In article <1992Sep1.143655.29803@cco.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
> wildcat@niwot.scd.ucar.edu (Wes Wildcat) writes:
> 
> 
>>	I think in the movie Sleuth(sp) only Laurence Olivier and Michael Caine appear in it.
> 
> What about the Muppet Movies, and The Dark Crystal?  No actors.

	Dark Crystal w/David Bowie & Jennifer Connely?  That Dark Crystal?  I
think Dave & Jennifer will feel slightly insulted.

;) walter


> 
> <shrug>
> 
> keith
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From: fate@eskimo.celestial.com (Craig Stykel)
Subject: Re: GunHed
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 02:43:25 GMT

880139h@dragon.acadiau.ca (Rob Hutten) writes:
> [Posting for a friend. Replies to cda0048@aplelink.apple.com
preferred]
> 
> Hiya.  Does anyone know if the Japanese GunHed (GunHead?) movies are
> available on VHS?  Haven't been able to find 'em, but thought
> they might be available through mail-order from somewhere.
> 
> -Rob
> -- 
> rob.hutten@acadiau.ca
|fillerfillerfillerfillerfillerfillerfillerfillerfillerfil
>
hutten@agcrr.bio.ns.ca|lerfillerfillerfillerfillerfillerfillerfillerfill
erfiller
>
fillerfillerfillerfillerfillerfillerfillerfillerfillerfillerfillerfiller
fillerfi
I've gotten acopy off laser disc..it's not the best of copys
(generations old) if you want a copy let me know...
  fate@eskimo.celestial.com
From: hhtra@usho21.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: 'Arthur' King of the Badly Dubbed Britons (was Re: Most Embarassing Movie)
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:05:23 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Sep3.165936.6324@riacs.edu>, howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (John Howells) writes:
|> ... But I *do* know what the actor who played Arthur is up
|> to: he's appearing in a brand new TV sit-com about the middle ages. He's
|> playing a sort of parody of the King Arthur character, from what I can
|> tell...

   Are ye talking about "Covington's Cross"?   A "sit-com"?

   I thought it was suppose to be serious... sorta like 90210 set in Middle-Age England.

   I was cruising the channels, saw the guy who played King Arthur, thought it WAS "Excalibur",
   watched for about 5 minutes, hated it, kept on cruising.

   Entertainment Weekly says Aarron Spelling has about 5 more 90210 clones in production.  Oh Boy!

   
   Travis
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From: rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus)
Subject: Re: Akira Kurosawa Films on Video?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 08:16:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.171111.27921@wheaton.wheaton.edu> tdawson@david.wheaton.edu (Anthony Palmer Dawson) writes:
>I would like to know which Kurosawa films have been released on
>video, and when his latest films are likely to appear in stores.
>I found Rashoman, The Hidden Fortress, Yojimbo, Throne of Blood,
>Seven Samauri, High and Low, and Ran at local video stores, but
>would like to see more, especially Red Beard and Rhapsody in
>August.

Didn't Kurosawa also do Samurai, the trilogy about the life (supposedly) of
Miyamoto Musashi?  I've seen all three movies on video, they're for rent
at the local Blockbuster, but I'm not certain Kurosawa did them.  The first
two are in black & white, but the last is in color, I believe...

Anyone else see these movies?  And do you know if they are indeed Kurasawa's?

The Walrus


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From: lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: sex in movies
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:35:43 GMT
Reply-To: lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow)
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC

In article <67042@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.212921.8475@nas.nasa.gov> fineberg@nas.nasa.gov writes:
>
>>I think this is the real problem, not the scenes themselves.  Since some
>>parents don't seem to show good judgement, I think they really need a minimum
>>age for R movies (maybe 13 or so), regardless of whether the child is escorted.
>
>I disagree.  Well, I agree that the problem is the parent, but I don't think
>there should be a minimum age, regardless of whether the child is escorted.
>
>That responsibilty is solely that of the parent.  If the parent can't show
>good judgement, that's too bad.  The law has no place telling parents what
>their children are and are not allowed to see (at least, not in this
>country......yet).
>

In South Carolina, people under 17 can't legally come to an R rated movie
EVEN WITH THEIR PARENTS.

Oh well, this is the same state that has a law against obscene bumper
stickers, and will not allow an atheist to be elected governor.

I guess the question is, why am I living here?
.
.
.
.
.
.
.


From: cn@otter.hpl.hp.com (Colin Needham)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 06:36:33 GMT
Subject: Re: Where the FAQ & Other Qs
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies

sbarnhar@mailbox.mail.umn.edu (Dr. Barnhart) writes:
>I'm looking for the r.a.m. FAQ. I don't follow this group (way too much
>volume), but I was led to believe that there is a WAIS database that has
>loads of film info.  Since I'm not on a UNIX machine, I can't get at a WAIS
>client.  Someone told me it was possible to FTP the lists (director, cast,
>title, et al) that make up this database.  If possible I'd like to build a
>local version on my Macintosh using those lists.  Can anyone tell me where
>they can be had or can get me the FAQ for this list?

The database isn't available on a WAIS, it's just a collection of Unix shell
scripts. The lists and the database package are available via anonymous ftp
from boulder.colorado.edu [I/P addr: 128.138.240.1] in the directory:
pub/tv+movies/lists. The list files have been compressed but I believe there
are implementation of uncompress available on the Mac.

Cheers,

Col

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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Upcoming movies (Malcolm X)
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:14:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewse.1992Sep4.201447.7035
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <Btu2Jq.Iww@news.cso.uiuc.edu> buccb@after.math.uiuc.edu (Carlos Dragonslayer Butler) writes:
>24315-rich writes
>> 
>> Malcolm X is an A-hole.
>
>	This man is obviously on something. I suppose he likes
>Columbus as a hero.

Not having known either Malcolm X, Columbus, you, or 24315-rich
personally, and doubting what I hear, I'll give you all the benefit
of a doubt until I know more.  Temporarily, at least.

GMS
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From: daz@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Dazza Primm)
Subject: Re: Film with the least actors
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:55:01 GMT


 dascoser.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes...
>I was just trying to think about which film had the least number of 
>actors. The smallest I could thing of is Breakfast Club which only has 
>(I'm going by charters description here)


What about Alien. That only had 7 actors in it, plus one person playing
the alien in several scenes.

Daz.
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From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 15:27:59 GMT

A friend and I were late getting to the theatre. We wanted to see
Bronson's _Telefon_. Instead we ended up in the wrong theatre and saw
Julia (with Jane Fonda). The latter got an academy award I think but
it was a dog (especially when we were expecting a Bronson action flick)
and we were so embarassed we went to the wrong theatre ! We laughed
all the way home though !
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From: AH.PBL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark)
Subject: Re: sex in movies
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:11:30 GMT

dlee@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Lee) writes:
>
> I agree 100%.. Our society has become so explicit in everything w e do
> that we have become NUMB to the violence,..etc. Most movies that  I have
> seen recently seems to have the sex and violence merely to try an d outdo
> each other...The bigger and better syndrome; if a little is good,  then
> a lot must better..
>
> Check out the better movies from the period of 15 years ago and e arlier;
> most did not have to be so explicit to make their point.

  Explicit, how?  What seemed "explicit" and shocking 15+ years ago
  might go unnoticed today.  "Midnight Cowboy" is a good example (and
  a terrific film).  It received an "X" rating at the time and people
  were shocked and they protested (and whined, like some of the people
  in this thread).  If this film was released today, however, it's
  "shock value" wouldn't be worth as much.  At the time, though, the
  world was coming to an end and people were becoming "desensitized" to
  the sex and violence and kids had long hair blah blah blah.

  The people who complain about sex and violence in films today must
  be the same people who keep going back for more.

  -- Mark
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Subject: Re: Fewest Actors in a Movie
From: bjbartlett@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (The Bart-Man)
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:49:55 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

  What about "Robinson Crusoe on Mars"?  I've never seen the whole thing, 
but in the parts I have seen, I just remember one man and a monkey.

-Bart

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From: wwr@calmasd.prime.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:00:12 GMT
Organization: Computervision - A Division of Prime Computer

> I felt something like this when I left the West L.A. art house theatre
> after having snoozed thru a Soviet semi-2001-ripoff called "Solaris"
> back in my college daze.  I can't remember ever having fallen asleep
> more times in a theatre than during the screening of this monstrosity.
> I guess I just wasn't "hip" enough to "get it" but to this day I think
> it was a monumental waste of my time and whatever I paid to see it.
> 
> Harv
	Similar thing happened to me, with "Until the End of the World" with
Will Hurt.  Two hours fourty five minutes of log sawing.  Okay, maybe only 2
and a half.  Dumb plot, dumb story, dumb idea, and, yes, *bad* acting --
including, but not limited to, Max Von Sydow & Mr. Hurt -- perhaps, the acting
could be laid at the feet of the script & that *wonderful* directing, but not
entirely.

What a poocher!!
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