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From: roberts@triton.unm.edu (Robert Smathers)
Subject: One observation and NFL WEEK 16 backhaul list
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 06:23:33 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: na


As I was going through observing (getting ready for the next South
Scanner) I found the Keystone Inspirational Net on G3/1.

According to their occasional slate, they are dropping their S1/13
feed on December 28, 1992.

Let's see... S1 services... KIN to G3/1, the In-Store music nets
to S3R/18, Sky High TV to "?" or GO DARK, SCOLA (who knows) UNIVISION
S1/18 feed (probably o/v on G6, I saw their UNIVISION feed of the same
type on G6 the other day), NASA SELECT HIGHLIGHTS "?", o/v (no problems).
I definitely think S1 is going dark Jan 1 instead of later because of all
these changes.  BTW, S1 is going to ~115 degrees East (half way around
the world).

SKY HIGH TV... may go dark.  I was looking for an ESPN game the other
night (saturday) and I ran past Sky High when they were announcing
that donations were low and satellite time was expensive.  They said a 
final decision had not been made, but they were thinking of pulling
their feed until the actual time that the disabled teenagers would
start doing their training.   I think they will pull it -- especially
since it would be easier to find another satellite if they pull their
S1 feed and re-appear on some other bird.  No worries about having
to dual-illuminate for a few days to get dish owners informed on where
to go.

NFL WEEK 16 BACKHAULS (from satellites K2 to C5 -- my sky -- on C and 
Ku; all ITC unless otherwise noted):

Chiefs/Giants NBC  Did not find (VYVX?)
Bucs/49ers CBS T1/15
Bills/Saints NBC K2/6
Oilers/Browns NBC Did not find
Rams/Packers CBS VC-IB no audio on G6/7
Vikings/Steelers CBS T1/15
Pats/Bengals NBC SBS2/7
Cards/Colts CBS VC-IB no audio on T2/6 
Redskins/Eagles Did not find (one person Emailed saying it was on T2/7, but
I think that might have been an affiliate feed).
Bears/Lions CBS VC-IB no audio on G6/13
Chargers/Raiders Did not find but NFL Live preview feed with Todd Christansen
from LA was on SBS2 earlier in the day, so game was probably there
Seahawks/Broncos NBC K2/8
Jets/Dolphins ESPN LEITCH on both SBS6/6 and G6/7
Cowboys/Falcons ABC MNF both on T1/4 and G1/14
NFL LIVE backhaul on SBS2/3

Robert

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Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 10:17:38 -0500
From:         Mike Gingell <aurs01!aurw6b!gingell@CONCERT.NET>
Subject:      Re: It's your BBC World Service - Phone In

Harald Brinkmann <harry@CS.TU-BERLIN.DE> writes:
>I'm just curious as to whether anyone heard this programme on the BBC
>WS radio on Sunday and has any strong opinions about it.

Well as a longtime listener to BBCWS radio I thought that as a show, it was
well conducted.  I called with a question, but it was not selected.  In
the background while I was dictating my question I could hear the phones
ringing like crazy so there must have been a lot of calls.

Mr Tusa's mind was obviously made up and he was not going to be swayed by
any particular caller, he was merely stating the current position on policy
on WS Radio & TV.  That will only change under pressure from the audience.

I was disappointed on his answers on WSTV, I have posted a summary separately.
There is no clear date as to when it will be available in the USA, and if
it is what format it will take. It sounds like it will have commercials,
and that it will be primarily news and documentaries.  However since the
NA market is english speaking (sort of :-) ) one might infer that there
could be more variety.

Its annoying that they have doubled the cost of their magazine London
Calling, renamed it BBC Worldwide and included a TV guide to programs we
can't watch. It now costs #24 (about $40) a year.

Mike Gingell, Alcatel, Raleigh, NC USA  (919) 850-6444
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Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
From: doconnor@sedona.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: Why is EVERYTHING good in the Western sats!
Date: 24 Dec 92 06:09:20
Organization: Intel i960(tm) Architecture
NNTP-Posting-Host: potato.intel.com
In-reply-to: phil@phunt.MV.COM's message of 23 Dec 92 14:45:26 GMT


My guess was that the reason all the cable services are moving
over to the sats aroung G1 and G5, and the reason new hi-power
sats are going there, is because of the relatively-recent (I think)
proliferation of multi-feed dishes. What the cable companies want
is a single fixed dish with 5 or 6 feedhorns that will pick up all
their programming. Putting all the cable services on sats that
are close together makes this easier.

Why do it out west ? I don't know. Cable companies may not care :
they can either find a good site or cut down trees to make one.
It may have just been chance : the timetable for old satellite death
or the existance of open slots in the arc for the new hi-power
birds may just by chance have only left the G1-G5 locality open.

On the other hand, maybe the long term plan is to introduce
new sat services like direct-broadcast or HDTV to the East coast
first, since theirs so many people living there. If that was
the case, then moving the old cable feeds west may just be
a clearing of the arc for these new services.

Wild speculation, all of it !

--
Dennis O'Connor			doconnor@sedona.intel.com
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
From: riyadth@boi.hp.com (Riyadth Al-Kazily)
Subject: Looking for Cheap C-band system
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:24:50 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company / Boise, Idaho


Hello,

    I am in the market for a satellite system, currently looking through
the local classified ads for a bargain to scrounge, and I was wondering:

    a) what should I be looking for
    b) are there comparable new systems available at reasonable prices

I am certain that I don't want to spend the money for a descrambler
system (I have no intention of subscribing to anything).  Receiving ITC
broadcasts would be nice, can it be done with an old VCII?

I know that I want discrete stereo reception.  Remote control is nice.
I would like to be able to upgrade to Ku reception in the future, and
possibly a descrambler (when I feel GI et al have decided to stick with
a format).  I could probably manage a dish up to 10ft, but would like to
get an 8ft (my back yard isn't THAT big).

I have seen the Skyvision catalog, and they advertise a couple of
non-descrambler C-Band systems.  One, completely manual, is based on the
PanSat BR 1100 receiver, the other on the BR 3000.  Do either of these
receivers support discrete stereo?  I assume I could get some sort of
stereo processor, such as the Janiel, if they do not.  Skyvision also
advertises the Uniden UST-9000 receiver as having discrete stereo
support.  Does anyone have any experience with this receiver?

What is the cheapest new C-band system on the market today?

The bottom line here is that the systems offered by Skyvision cost
$559+$75s&h and $768+$79s&h.  The best classified ad I've seen was for a
$600 system.  Considering that the systems coming on the market now are
not likely to have VCII+ or better descramblers, and the upgrade offer
is apparently over, what would be reasonable cost for such a system?
It looks like the asking prices are pretty comparable to new prices.
Basically, I'd like some comparative pricing info so that I can bargain
safely and effectively.  But, then, wouldn't we all like that.

Any info you can spare will be appreciated.

			-Riyadth Al-Kazily
			 riyadth@hpbs1904.boi.hp.com

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Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 1992 09:15:39 EST
From:         Bill Jones <wejones@CBDA7.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject: Re: It's damn cold here.(was re: now, where is it cold?)

> >
> Well, here in Regina, Saskatchewan it has been in the -25 C to -35 C
> range every morning for the last week or two...and we've had lows approaching
> -40 C (around -30 F if I did the math right)...
>
At -40, there isn't much math involved.   (8-)

> But don't move here if you don't like hot summers.  We hit 40 C on a
> reasonably regular basis in the height of summer.  Our highs, for the
> metrically impaired, are in the 100 F to 110 F range.
>
Wow.  I've never understood places like that.  What is it, thin air? At
least I bet you don't get much humidity.
>
> To add a little satellite-related topic here, does anyone know the effects
> of snow on a mesh dish?  I realize a light crusting won't impair my
> reception, but what if a ten foot dish is packed full of the stuff?  The
> weight alone could damage the dish, but will it affect my reception?
>
I usually loose signal because the weight of the snow pulls the dish
down a few degrees so it isn't aimed right.  I'm sure that the snow
absorbs some of the signal, but I can usually still get watchable
pictures with an inch or two of snow on the dish.

>
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
From: will@wa4phy (Will Wilson)
Subject: Uniden Questions
Summary: Help me decide on purchase.
Keywords: Uniden 4800, Superguide
Organization: none
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 23:48:13 GMT

Has anyone had any experience with the Uniden 4800 super?  I am considering
making a purchase to replace my existing IRD.  It is a Zenith 6000.  It is
still in good working order, with the exception of a few minor problems.
The main reason I want the Uniden is the "built in superguide" that I keep
hearing about.  I would like something that is easier for other family 
members to use.  So I don't have to always be the one to find the program
that someone else wants to watch.  Please respond to the following:
1. How complete is the superguide?  
2. How does it compare to the printed guides out there?
3. Is it simple enough that even the most technically backward could use it?
4. How does the picture quality of the Uniden 4800 compare to other units
   you have used?
5. How is the superguide updated?  Does the unit have to be left on overnight?
6. In general, is this unit worth the expense of replacing a perfectly good
   working IRD, just for the added convenience?
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.video
From: rjn@FC.HP.COM (Bob Niland)
Subject: Re: "Larger" plastic sleeves for laserdisc
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:50:59 GMT
Reply-To: rjn@FC.HP.COM
Organization: Hewlett-Packard/WSY Ft.Collins,CO,USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

David O. Dodge (dododge@wam.umd.edu) wrote:

>>What I miss is those Pioneer bags that had the plastic zipper, where you
>>could slip the LD in and then close the zipper.

> I used to use those, but found that they "stuck" to one another and made it
> it very hard to get a disc off the shelf.

They are also made of PVC, which is not a safe archival material, as it
outgasses vinyl chloride (a reactive compound) over time.

Regards,                                              Hewlett-Packard
Bob Niland      Internet: rjn@FC.HP.COM               3404 East Harmony Road
                CompuServe:  71044,2124               Ft Collins CO 80525-9599

This article represents only the opinion[s] of its author, and is not an
official or unofficial position of, or statement by, the Hewlett-Packard
Company.  The text is provided for informational purposes only.  It is
supplied without warranty of any kind.
From: adam@cbmcats.UUCP (Adam Keith Levin-Delson)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: Commodore 2080 Monitor
Date: 22 Dec 92 16:50:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Commodore Applications and Technical Support

The original article expired before I could read it (although
my news reader still teased me with the "subject" line), but
someone was apparently asking what kind of beast the Commodore
2080 monitor is.

The 2080 is very similar to the Commodore 1080 and 1084 monitors
(analog and digital RGB video inputs, separate Chroma and Luma
baseband video inputs, audio input, etc.), but the 2080 uses a long
persistance phospher.  This helps eliminate the flicker of
interlaced video, but causes areas of rapid motion to look blurred.
If you'll be viewing static images such as single frames from a
laserdisc of artwork, you'll enjoy a smoother picture.  Fast-action
movies will get that artsy "simulated motion" smearing of the image.

Adam Levin-Delson  CATS - Commodore Applications and Technical Support
UUCP: {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!adam domain: adam@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com
BIX: aklevin   mail: 1200 Wilson Drive / West Chester, PA 19380 USA
voice: +1 215.431-9180   fax: +1 215.429-0643
From: slgyp@cc.usu.edu (Doran L. Barton)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: digital video camcorders?
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:54:04 MDT
Organization: Utah State Univ. - Elec/Comp Engineering

In article <5406@calmasd.Prime.COM>, jpb@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jan Bielawski) writes:
> In article <1992Dec30.164327.13646@emr1.emr.ca> jagrant@emr1.emr.ca (John Grant) writes:
> <Why are camcorders (8mm,vhs-c,etc) still analogue?  If DAT is so great,
> <why aren't there any camcorders recording digitally (DAT or similar)?
> <Doesn't DAT have enough bandwidth for video?  
> 
> 	No, it's nowhere near.  The highest frequency needed for audio
> is about 20 kHz.  Even for the worst quality video -- namely, VHS --
> you need, say, 3.25 MHz and if you want something on the order of Hi8,
> you'd want something around 5 MHz.  So you need a sampling frequency
> of at least 6.5 MHz instead of DAT's 48 kHz.  That's more than 135 times
> as fast for a resolution inferior to that of 8mm.  I doubt this could be 
> done on a DAT-sized (or 8mm-sized) drum. 

        Well... I am sure it COULD be done... But you wouldn't be able to get
        very much video on one tape. It would be spinning so fast and the tape
        would have to be recorded as such a ludicrous speed... Those 8mm 120
        minute tapes would be like Super-8 movie reels with only about 5
        minutes worth of images.

        Someday folks... Someday.

        Doran

___ ___   ___   ___ ___        Doran L. Barton - Undergraduate Student
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Newsgroups: rec.video
From: GNICK@RCHVMP3.VNET.IBM.COM
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: S-VHS video equipment for sale (who?)
Date: 24 Dec 92 14:01:06 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Would the person who has the AG-450, AG-1960, and FV EC-1000 for sale please
send me (or post) their INTERNET address.  Their address wasn't clear to me
from the header information I received.  I'd like to find out more about the
specs of this equipment.

Thanx,

--Nick
gnick@rchvmp3.vnet.ibm.com
From: jpb@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jan Bielawski)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: Help on Hi8 camcorder purchase
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:46:39 GMT
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA

In article <144632@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> kai@concannon.llnl.gov (Kai Yung) writes:
<
<Hi, I am plannig to buy my first Hi8 camcorder and would like
<to hear your recommendations. I am considering the sony TR-101
<and TR-81, but Hitachi and Sharp models seem good also.
<
<I had my heart set on the TR-101 in the $1000 range but found
<out the mail order place can't ship that model.

	How about: Yashica KX-H3, Nikon VN-750 and Ricoh R-18H?
They are all TR-101 clones (they differ from the TR-101 mostly
by the manufacturer's label).  Can *they* be shipped by mail?
Let us know what happened.

	Jan Bielawski
	Computervision, San Diego
	jpb@calmasd.prime.com
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: digital video camcorders?
Date: 31 Dec 92 03:30:04 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1992Dec30.164327.13646@emr1.emr.ca> jagrant@emr1.emr.ca (John Grant) writes:
<Why are camcorders (8mm,vhs-c,etc) still analogue?  If DAT is so great,
<why aren't there any camcorders recording digitally (DAT or similar)?
<Doesn't DAT have enough bandwidth for video?  Can anyone give some numbers
<for the equivalent bandwiths?

Panasonic has come out with the D-3 format, using 1/4" tape.  The camcorders
and decks are $100k plus.  Not exactly viable in the home market.

You have to keep in mind that DAT is in the 45kHz area (sampling rate).  Video
requires a bandwidth of at least 20 MHz.  The numbers are probably wrong, but
the idea here is that it takes MANY more bits to record a piece of video than
it does to record two channels of audio.  Also keep in mind that the D- formats
also record four channels of audio, digitially.

It is just too expensive for the home market.
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Newsgroups: rec.video
From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: transferring film to video
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:31:06 GMT
Keywords: film

In article <4652@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.130818.28367@hemlock.cray.com> n3022@cray.com writes:
><>My brother and I used the method (1) that you proposed [recording off of
><>the movie screen]. It worked very very well.

><My question is this:

><In trying this procedure myself over the weekend, I ended up with a lot of flicker
><on the video copy of the movie.  I single-stepped the video copy in the VCR and
><noticed that the frames alternated a little lighter and darker. ....

>First off your lines are too long.  Please make then shorter than 79 characters.
^ - Hm Mike, I'd suggest maybe about 75 or less, 

>Secondly you are running into the problem of the film being projected at 18
>frames per second, while video is 59.94 fields per second.  The video camera is
>even picking up the times that the screen is black (while the film is being
>moved to the next frame and also during the black of the double-bladed shutter).
>So, the film is being projected at a rate equal to 36 fps.  Notice that the two
>rates are not the same.

>The only correct way is to use professional services that have equipment that
>will pull the film correctly through the transport, in sync with the recording
>system.

There are (were) some 8mm/super-8mm projectors that handled this a few
years ago.  Eumig (since gone) made some.   They used a 5 blade shutter
- but they weren't cheap but they weren't what I'd call pro either.
That solved the flicker as the system drive was changed from a
variable, with a puck moving in and out across a rotating disk, to a
fixed gear unit.   5 blades x 18 fps  gave an effective 90 fps rate.  
Helps to have a slow vidicon on these things :-)

>Personally these home transfer methods are for the birds.  But professional
>services are going to cost an arm and a leg.

The old Kodak VP-1 was pretty good for it's day.  Lacked a bit of
resolution.   But where else could you get a flying spot scanner for
under $1000 ?    

-- 
Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.oau.org  bill@bilver.uucp
                - ..!{peora|tous|tarpit}!bilver!bill
From: SteveWall@aol.com (Steve Wall)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Timetable for HDTV in USA?
Date: 31 Dec 92 18:30:40 GMT
Followup-To: rec.video
Organization: Anhedonics Anonymous

Does anyone know what (if any) timetable has been established for adoption
of an HDTV standard, and introduction of products/services in the USA?
Somehow I thought we were close to choosing a standard, but my memory is
a little fuzzy (must be all that egg-nog).

Please reply directly, I don't read here reqularly.  I'll post a summary.

Steve Wall
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: yuen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Geoffrey L Yuen)
Subject:  video quality on Pioneer karaoke machines
Reply-To: yuen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:07:05 GMT

Hello world,

Have anyone make comparison about the video quality of
similarly priced Pioneer combi players & karaoke machines
like the CLD 720 or 820; the ads about these machines are 
always very different. While the combi players always talked
about TBC, aspherical lens, S/N ratio, lines resolutions,  karaoke
machines from Pioneer never give these specs. I am looking
for a karaoke machine that has high quality video (425 lines,
s-VHS). For other makers of karaoke machines, I often see 
signal to noise ratios of ~ 40 - 50 dB, quite a bit lower than
a good combi.

Many thanks in advance.

-Geoff
From: lauren@CV.VORTEX.COM
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: TR101 Reliability
Date: 1 Jan 93 03:53:33 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Jeff Killeen writes:
> I have a TR101 clone, I have friends who have a TR101 clone, and I have
> checked with my video store that sells TR101 clones - no one is having
> problems.  Note - Canon just released a lens for the L1 that uses the same
> technology for stablization that the TR101 does.

I'm the one who initially reported the rumors of TR101 autostabilizer
unreliability.  I carefully reported them as such and added that I had no
direct experience regarding the problem.  However, there are a couple of
points worth noting.  Jeff implies that the salesman was conducting some
sort of bait and switch.  Perhaps, but if so it was of a very odd sort,
since:

a) A lot of my video business has gone to that salesman; he realizes that
   I know what I'm doing and have independent sources of information.
   It would seem quite counterproductive for him to have tried
   such a tactic.

b) Instead of the TR101, he recommended a substantially less expensive
   camcorder for my friend buying the unit--who would have happily
   bought a TR101.  He had plenty of TR101s in stock ready to go.

I also later checked into the repair status of the TR101.  The info I've
gotten is that the stabilization unit on the TR101 didn't fall apart all the
time--but people have had substantial trouble.  The failure and adjustment
requirement rate brought the TR101 back for service at a higher rate than
other comparable units, and that was apparently a factor that contributed to
SONY's decision not to emphasize that system in many future models.  At
least that's what my (usually reliable) sources say.

Such failure data is always statistical in nature.  Any particular unit, or
even groups of units, may be fine.  Use your own judgement, of course.

--Lauren--
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