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From: moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com (Robert Moynihan)
Subject: Re: Help !! What are the new rules ?
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:07:20 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Jul28.180009.9675@news2.cis.umn.edu> kencham@ulysses.cs.umn.edu (Deepak) writes:
>
>Deepak
>PS: WHY(!), WHY(!), did we have to waste WC '94 on the US ? :~(
>-- 
       
I've had it with all this "bash the U.S." idiocy.
                                                
Why is W.C. '94 in the U.S.?

Maybe so the players of the #2 participative sport in the United States would
have a chance to see the sport played at it's very best.  Maybe to help
stimulate further growth of the game to make it #1 in the U.S. (as it is in 
the rest of the world.)  Maybe to convince the moronic networks that the game 
is commercially viable if displayed properly.
                                      
W.C. '94 is an opportunity for football to explode in popularity in the U.S.,
to showcase the incredible talent of the players and excitement the game can
generate when played at it's highest levels.  Yet ignorant people like you 
with airs of superiority want to deprive us of that opportunity.  Take your 
condescending attitude and stuff it.  
                   

-Bob Moynihan                    
 moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com
From: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: among the thugs
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:27:27 GMT
Reply-To: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501

In article <1992Jul24.103813.4666@aie.nl> louis@aie.nl (Louis Kossen) writes:
>
>I haven't read the book myself but i have read a review about it and
>spoke about it to friend of mine who did some research on the subject
>of football hooliganism. Their way of research was the same: participative
>research. I don't know if this also means that you participate in
>fighting etc. Well, what i have heard about the book of Buford is that
>there are so many false facts in it. He is talking about matches that
>have never been played. 
>
Again, I don't know whether it's reflected in the book, but in the
review I heard he cited the Bradford City stand fire and the
Hillsborough disaster (along with the legitimate example of Heysel) as
examples of the lethal consequences of English soccer hooliganism. I 
guess that didn't get him off on a good foot with me...

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"And there'll be more football in a moment, but first we've got
 highlights of the Scottish League Cup Final" -- Gary Newbon
From: scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Rangers re-sign Trevor Steven
Keywords: 3 million profit
Date: 27 Jul 92 08:27:16 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, SCOTLAND

Rangers signed Trevor Steven from Marseille for 2.4 million making a 3
million profit on the deal after selling him to Marseille less than a year
ago for 5.5 million. The deal will be completed tomorrow night before
kick-off in front of us Bears as Rangers take on Marseille in a game which
was arranged as part of the original deal. Now Rangers and Marseille will
play each other for the next three seasons as part of this one.

--
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From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: Paul Caligiuri
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:46:53 GMT

Paul Caligiuri has hurt his knee and will be out of the Friendship Cup
next week.  It doesn't sound serious, some tendinitous but he doesn't
seem to be getting better so they will hold him out.

Anybody have any word on wether Harkes or Ramos or Wegerle will be available?

Andy

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From: louis@aie.nl (Louis Kossen)
Subject: Re: Olympic Soccer--Standings
Organization: AI Engineering BV, Amsterdam, Netherlands
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 09:07:36 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.120356.5056@prl.philips.nl> holzsche@prl.philips.nl (Con Holzscherer) writes:
>In article <1992Jul30.081829.26767@aie.nl> louis@aie.nl (Louis Kossen) writes:
>
>>The team of Qatar always does quite well in qualification rounds and 
>>I remenber they won the youth world championship about 8 years ago. 
>
>   I remember that they lost the final against Germany.
>                                                                         Con

Yep, I remember Qatar played the final against Germany. But I am sure
you are right. Nevertheless, a good result of Qatar. BTW, I read in the
dutch football magazine that Qatar will start a professional competition.
And, believe it or not, all the salaries will be payed by the Football
Association of Qatar. 
Isn't this a good idea for the Italian Serie A?


louis kossen

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From: jens@seas.gwu.edu (Jens Johansen)
Subject: URGENT--OLYMPIC SOCCER SCHEDULE--does anyone have one?
Originator: jens@seas.gwu.edu
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:46:54 GMT

Hullo, folks!

Does anyone have the schedule and list of teams appearing very shortly in
Barcelona?

If so, please e-mail us a copy at jens@seas.gwu.edu

Thanks in advance!

Jens

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From: asim@pak.sps.mot.com (Asim Omair)
Subject: Re: earrings and things
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:44:19 GMT

In article <9207211457.AA05357@netmail.microsoft.com> t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci) writes:
>When my father and I would ref. games, we would inspect all players for 
>*dangerous* equipment.  This included items that presented a danger to 
>others (sharp objects, loose objects that could catch, illegal shoes, 
>etc.), as well as a danger to themselves (earrings, dangling bracelets 
>and chains, etc.).
>Safety is very important, and should never be taken lightly.
>Francis.
>
I play in a co-ed recreational league and the ref always makes sure that nobody 
is wearing any jewelery, before the start. As Francis has pointed out, that
earrings might be dangerous while playing soccer, but I remember watching
maradona play while wearing earring (although it was a small one). Is there some
law regarding this ?
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From: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Soccer Attendance at the Olympics
Reply-To: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 08:37:19 GMT

--

In article <1992Jul23.210640.22947@news.nd.edu>, ulick@angelico.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford) writes:

|>I was surprised when I came here to hear soccer called an 'Olympic sport' 
|>(a demeaning term for sports that are not big draws).  Basketball and
|>baseball are not considered 'Olympic sports'.  In my mind soccer is not
|>an Olympic sport, and it is about time it stopped being.  I think most
|>soccer fans couldn't care less about Olympic soccer.

You mean the sport that attracted the highest attendances at the LA games.

I was in Poland last October when the qualified for the Olympics.  The
game was treated more importantly than the full International the following
day.  It waslive on TV.  The celebrations when they won were incredible.
The crowd came out singing their heads off.

Footbvall in the Olympics is taken very seriously.  It will be well
attended again in Barcelona.  It's here to stay.

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          U.S.A. here we come

          God thinks he's Jackie Charlton

       Gary Spain, DEC, Galway, Ireland   - spain@galvia.enet.dec.com

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Subject: Re: Predictions - england
From: cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
Date: 23 Jul 92 11:52:29 +1200
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

In article <6258@falcon.ukc.ac.uk>, irp@ukc.ac.uk (I.R.Pletcher) writes:
> Its that time of the year again when predictions for the coming seaon  get made
> for the coming season, so I thought I get in early and make predictions for all
> Premier league clubs, plus winners of all other major competitions.
> 
> Premier League.
> 
> 
> Chelsea (19th) - Chelsea will struggle, if they lose Townsend which looks
> likly. Would you fancy a team with Cascarino as its main striker ?


No (sob) but I always was a bit of a masochist.

Alan

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From: psima01@convex.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (M. Maisack)
Subject: Bundesliga Transfers from new "Kicker Sonderheft"
Summary: to and fro
Keywords: players
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:07:15 GMT


the new "Kicker Sonderheft Bundesliga" has just appeared.
It costs 7 DM , and, as usual, should be read when the season is
over, to get the most amusement out of the predictions ;-)

let's check on the new players:

Stuttgart: Strunz from Bayern, Golke from Nuernberg, 
      Sammer went to Inter
Dortmund: Reuter from Juve, Sippel from Frankfurt
      Breitzke goes to D-dorf
Frankf: Rahn from D'dorf, Moeller goes to Turin
Koeln: Christofte from Denmark, Giske back to Bergen, Goetz to Galatasaray
Lautern : Marin from Kickers Stuttgart
Karlsruhe:  Bender from Bayern, Harforth to Duisburg
Bremen: Beiersdorfer from HSV
Bayern: Jorginho from Leverkusen, Helmer form Dortmund, Scholl from KSC
    Schupp from Wattenscheid
    Effenberg and Laudrup to Fiorentina, Pfluegler back to the amateurs
Schalke: Scherr from Lautern
HSV: Spies from Rostock
Gladbach: Moelby and Nielsen from Denmark, Norbert Meier becomes youth coach
Bochum : Moutas from Stuttgarter Kickers
Wattenscheid: Lesniak from Leverk, Kula from Stgt Kickers
Saarbruecken: Glesius (KSC), Wuttke from Espanol, and
      Stefan Beckenbauer (son of the famous...)

this list is by no means complete, just the (imho) most important ones.

Michael
From: dvlkhh@cs.umu.se
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: US Italy Notes
Date: 28 Jul 1992 06:49:28 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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X-Unparseable-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 13:49:06 MET DST

According to the Swedish radio, the US goal came indeed after an indirect
freekick called after a backpass.

Best for the US were Cobi Jones and Joe Moore.
A very good score for the US they thought.

Cheers,
Kent
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From: JZeevi%users%swri03@D26VS046A.CCF.SWRI.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: New Rules....
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:51:27 GMT

>>In article <1992Jul21.153705.28026@pmafire.inel.gov> russ@pmafire.inel.gov (Russ Brown) writes:
>>What would be the ruling if the GK played the ball with his feet, and
>>subsequently picked it up?
>>
>>Consider the situation in which the GK plays the ball with his feet,
>>loses it in front of his goal, and faces an offensive player who is
>>about to score.  Still no hands?
>>

Paul answers :

>Here, the keeper has lost control of the ball.  Therefore, the keeper
>is allowed to use his hands.  (Because there was a transition of
>ball control between teams.)

Josef chimes in :

Exactly so. If the opponent does not touch the ball, then the keeper cannot pickit up and must play it away.

Russ writes :

>>This rule will make refereeing more complicated.

Paul says :

>That's a fact that will soon be proven, unfortunatly. :-(

Again, Josef responds :

Nah, not really. It will be initially unpopular, but IMHO not anything more 
complicated.

        josef
        jzeevi@swri.edu
From: irp@ukc.ac.uk (I.R.Pletcher)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Blackpool/Carter/Duffield
Date: 27 Jul 92 08:56:03 GMT
Reply-To: irp@ukc.ac.uk (I.R.Pletcher)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <1992Jul22.131827.7731@vax.oxford.ac.uk> kryst14@vax.oxford.ac.uk (Alex Ashcroft) writes:
>I saw on teletext a couple of days ago that Blackpool were set to sign Mark
>Carter from Barnet yesterday, but didn't see confirmation that he had 
>signed.  Does anyone know whether the deal has gone through?  Other than the
>fact that he was the second leading goal scorer in the Fourth Division last
>year, does anyone have any information about him?  Is he another tall, strong
>centre-forward like, the as yet unsigned, Dave Bamber?  I also hear that we
>have signed a Sheff Utd centre-forward on loan (Peter Duffield?).  Any info
>on him would also be appreciated.
>
>                              Thanks,
>
No Mark Carter is not another big bustling centre forward. Mark Carter is
one of those players with the knack of getting into scoring positions. He
scored over 40 goals for Barnet last season, but very few of them where
particularly spectacular. He is reasonable with both feet and an OK header
of the ball, but it is his ability to lose defenders and anticipate where
the ball is going to end up the gets him so many goals. When he first 
arrived at Barnet in 1990/91 (Previous clubs Bangor City, Runcorn) he kept
getting into good scoring positions but missing, something which did not
endear himself to the Barnet fans. However, last season he won them over
scoring forty plus goals despite being a part time player and having to 
travel to Barnet from Cheshire for every game. He never got the chance to
train with his team mates a fact which makes his acheivements all the more
remarkable. Previous to joining Barnet, Carter now 29, was the second 
highest ever scorer of goals in the GMVC. He consistently got 20-30 goals
a year for 6-8 years always playing for relatively weak sides. He was
recently made unemloyed, freeing him to become a full time professional
footballer. Barnet are not in too good a position at the moment hence
allowing Carter to talk to Blackpool, who can offer him a better deal
closer to his Cheshire home.

	I too have seen the rumours that a deal with Blackpool had been 
agreed, the fee 180,000 but I have not seen any confirmation that the
deal has gone through. I certainly hope not, because I want Mark to score
another forty goals for Barnet.

Ian " It was a circus out there, but unfortunately we were the clowns."
	- Barry Fry after Barnet 4 Crewe 7.
From: kml@inf.rl.ac.uk (Kevin Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Official Judge and Jury
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:38:46 GMT
Organization: Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Informatics Department, U.K.

In article <9207222059.AA21085@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> JZeevi%users%swri03@D26VS046A.CCF.SWRI.EDU writes:
>	HOWEVER! I do NOT agree that Maradona is being persecuted unjustly. He
>was not caught by the officials, but in the worlds eyes he has proved himself 
>to be less than a sportsman by acknowledging he cheated and then showed quite 
>a bit of disregard for himself and soccer with all the drug business.
>


I've kept out of the Maradona hand of god rubbish, up to now, but its about time
it was put in perspective.

90% of footballers would probably have tried to handle the ball in the same
situation. Many would have acknowledged it later. However a player admitting
that he cheated afterwards can be charged  for 'Bringing the game into
disrepute'. Hence the veiled confession of the 'hand of god' or Francis Lee's
'handy header' of the seventies.

Maradona also prevented a goal with a punch in the 1990 WC against USSR.
It does not make him more of a cheat because the officials missed it.

HOWEVER.
Maradona is/was one of the greatest players ever, but this does not entitle him
to: a/ Argue With the referee every time a decision is given against his team.
b/ Lead protests and inflamatory situations, rather than as Captain try to
diffuse the situation.
c/Throw Himself about when challenged fairly, to win free kicks and get
opponents booked or sent off.
d/ Behave Generally on and off the field with very little respect for others.

These are the things that annoy fans throughout the world. The 'Hand of God'
incident has become an inappropriate standard for the Maradona haters to rally
to. 

Even with all the talent he has, he cannot be bracketed with others such as
Moore, Charlton, Pele, Beckenbauer, Cruyff, Platini, Gullitt, Matthaus. -
who were all great players and great role models.

PS. Can we call an armistice on the Maradona thing, say from July 30th.
KEV.
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From: car@public.BTR.COM (Carlos Rimola-Sarti  car@btr.com)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: US Olympic Soccer - Team
Date: 29 Jul 92 05:34:04 GMT
Organization: Connective Strategies, Inc. (CSI).  Mountain View, California

In article <Brv6Lx.5LH@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Barca writes:
-Hi!
-Does anybody know, if Tom Dooley from the german Bundesliga
-team 1.FC Kaiserslautern is going to play for the USA at
-the Olympics and if not, why ? He was supposed to play
-, but I cant find him in any lists.
-
-Thanks
-
-      Markus


I doubt Dooley is under 23 years old, therefore he can not play for the
US Olympic team.

I know there was some doubt expressed here as to who could or whou couldn't
play in the Olympics (in soccer).  It is very simple.  Anyone can play,
professional or not BUT he has to be under 23 years old.  If you doubt
this just look at players like Thomas Brolin from Sweden or Albertini
from Italy, both are profesional players (Italian Serie A) and Brolin
has played for the "big" Swedish team.

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From: fajack@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Olympic soccer games time schedule
Date: 22 Jul 92 08:24:53 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

	The following is the shedule of Olympic soccer games.  I 
extracted it from the olympic newsgroup.
        If anyone be able to get the feed from the Satellite,
please post it in the net.  I will be doing my part to scan the 
sky too.   Friday is a holiday in Utah, so I could have all the time
of my life to find the feed.  After EC'92, I am dying for more soccer
actions.


Jack Teh



        All times local. Barcelona is 6 hours ahead of Eastern Daylight
Time.

July 24 (Friday)

        6:00 p.m. -- Soccer: Pool A, Italy vs. United States.
        8:00 p.m. -- Soccer: Pool A, Poland vs. Kuwait.
        8:00 p.m. -- Soccer: Pool B, Spain vs. Colombia.
        8:00 p.m. -- Soccer: Pool B, Egypt vs. Qatar.
 
July 26, 1992  (Sunday)
                          ----------
        7:00 p.m. -- Soccer: Pool D, Ghana vs. Australia.
        7:00 p.m. -- Soccer: Pool D, Denmark vs. Mexico.
        9:00 p.m. -- Soccer: Pool C, Sweden vs. Paraguay.
        9:00 p.m. -- Soccer: Pool C, Morocco vs. South Korea.
                           ----------
27th  
        7:00 p.m. -- Soccer: Pool A, United States vs. Kuwait.
        7:00 p.m. -- Soccer: Pool B, Colombia vs. Qatar.
        9:00 p.m. -- Soccer: Pool B, Spain vs. Egypt.
        9:00 p.m. -- Soccer: Pool A, Italy vs. Poland.
   
28th   
        7:00 p.m. -- Soccer: Pool C, Sweden vs. Morocco.
        9:00 p.m. -- Soccer: Pool C, Paraguay vs. South Korea.
        9:00 p.m. -- Soccer: Pool D, Mexico vs. Holland or Australia.
        9:00 p.m. -- Soccer: Pool D, Ghana vs. Denmark.
                           ----------
29th   
        7:00 p.m. -- Soccer: Pool A, United States vs. Poland.
        7:00 p.m. -- Soccer: Pool B, Colombia vs. Egypt.   
        9:00 p.m. -- Soccer: Pool A, Italy vs. Kuwait.
        9:00 p.m. -- Soccer: Pool B, Spain vs. Qatar.
   
30th   
        7:00 p.m. -- Soccer: Pool D, Mexico vs. Ghana.
        7:00 p.m. -- Soccer: Pool D, Denmark vs. Holland or Australia.
        9:00 p.m. -- Soccer: Pool C, Sweden vs. South Korea.
        9:00 p.m. -- Soccer: Pool C, Paraguay vs. Morocco.
                          ----------
31st   
        7:00 p.m. -- Soccer: Quarterfinal Match (B1 vs. A2).   
        9:30 p.m. -- Soccer: Quarterfinal Match (A1 vs. B2).
   
2nd 
        7:00 p.m. -- Soccer: Quarterfinal Match (D1 vs. C2).   
        9:30 p.m. -- Soccer: Quarterfinal Match (C1 vs. D2).
   
3rd  
        7:00 p.m. -- Soccer: Semifinal Game (B1-A2 Winner vs. D1-C2
Winner).
   
        9:30 p.m. -- Soccer: Semifinal Game (A1-B2 Winner vs. C1-D2
Winner).
   

7th 
        8:00 p.m. -- Soccer: Bronze Medal Game.
 
8th 
        8:00 p.m. -- Soccer: Gold Medal Game.
 




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From: sid@netcom.com (Sid Dastkar)
Subject: Olympic Football satellite plus scores - First Day
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 20:45:16 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: US


Hi,
I just saw the first telecast from satellite.
The channel I believe was Canal 13 from Mexico on
Z1 channel 08   at the Duke of Edinburgh in Cupertino, CA.

These are the numbers that I saw on the box, one satellite
# (Z1), the other channel # (8).  I saw in a listing
that the oly games  could be found on F1, F2, G5, ... in the
"Orbit" magazine, a satellite TV guide.

Some scores are below so stop if you dont want to know
right now. I am not sure of the final score of two matches
(Poland-Kuwait, Egypt-Qatar).
I missed the US-Italia game, so I dont know the score.




Spain  4          Colombia   0      (watched this one) (2-0 first half)
				    (1-2 red cards)
Poland 1	  Kuwait     0	    (I believe, but not sure right now
				     I saw Poland score first goal and
				    miss one penalty, but dont know the
					final score)

Egypt  1	 Qatar 	    0	   (Not sure at all, it could be 1-1!, sorry if
				   I am mistaken)

sid
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