HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: R.M.Chandler@lut.ac.uk
Subject: What's a muffin got to do with it ?
Reply-To: R.M.Chandler@lut.ac.uk (Richard Chandler)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 00:03:48 GMT

Hi Everyone,

It's taken me about 15 weeks to find this bloody news group, I knew there was
one somewhere ! 8-)

Anyway, just thought I'd drop a line to swell the number of British contributers
by at least one. Gosh the bridge must be overloaded by now ! I believe I'm now 
well and truly demuffined (I think?)

How many of the other contributers are computing people, or is the computer
just a tool to achieve a task for most people ? I was just wondering, cus I
only know one other gay computer scientist, and I've only met him once !

Anyway, must dash, I've got a grammar to convert to a finite state parser, so
you can tell I'm going to be having fun at least for a few hours more !

See you all, metaphysically speaking, of course ...

	Luv and huggs,

                               Richard Chandler.

Final Year Computing Student  @  Loughborough (Lufbra) University Of Technology

Internet : R.M.Chandler@hpb.lut.ac.uk        Janet : R.M.Chandler@uk.ac.lut.hpb

               These are my views, and I haven't got a funny sig.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: Are Gay Men Richer, Really?
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:01:45 GMT


My understanding is that the figures about the wealth of the average
queer is gathered by a market research firm in Chicago.  For those who
don't know, market research firms have a very vested interest in making
the market they can advise on sound REALLY RICH AND REALLY BIG.  They
don't actually lie, but they distribute questionaires in higher class
places and the like, knowing that the natural self selection process
will skew the data.

Its a lot like all the industry trade magazines that offer subscriptions
to "qualified" people.  What qualifies you is that you say that you are
an important executive in your company and have oodles of money to spend
on computer equipment.  Of course, most average lackeys (like me) have
the sense to lie and say that they personally influence million dollar
budgets, and viola, free subscription.  The magazine then sends out these
wonderful profiles to potential advertisers touting the amount of 
sway their readership has.  So it goes.

The problem is that 90% of all people believe that as long as you can
quote numbers, you must really know what you're talking about.


Ry
ry@usl.com
From: LASAGA@corral.uwyo.edu (LASAGA)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pedophilia as sexual orientation
Date: 26 Jan 1993 10:57:54 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


roy@panix.com (Roy Radow) writes:

>Pedophilia is a sexual orientation.   Sexual abuse is an illegal assault.

Pedophilia is _not_ a sexual orientation.  Why not?

Well, would you consider a rapist to have a "sexual orientation" to rape?
I certainly don't.  The only difference between a child abuser and
a rapist is the age of their victim.  That's it.  Both involve acts of
violence and/or abuse of power. So to say that either the rapist or 
the child abuser, who desire to force sexual acts on others, have a
certain "sexual orientation" is to misrepresent the dominant 
characteristic of their act.  Individuals who rape or commit 
child abuse have tendencies to commit acts of violence and/or 
abuse of power.  Those acts _ happen_ to involve sex, but doing
so does not bring them (or the abusers) under the rubric of 
sexual orientation.
                                                                
The same argument applies to sexual harassment.  A sexual harasser      
does not have the "sexual orientation" towards X.  They have a 
tendency to _harass_ sexually.                                        
                                                          
-maria
From: LASAGA@corral.uwyo.edu (LASAGA)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: MOTSS-Oriented Music, Part II
Date: 25 Jan 1993 15:02:35 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


In article <1993Jan25.060407.10785@fuug.fi>, 
an6245@anon.penet.fi (Nobody in particular...) writes:
>In my earlier post asking about MOTSS-oriented music, I didn't specify
very clearly what I meant by "MOTSS-oriented."

>Specifically, what I'm looking for are songs which contain lyrics that are
>obviously MOTSS-oriented.  

There are quite a number of lesbian singers.  Is that what you mean?
I can highly recommend Chris Williamson and Meg Christian, amongst
others.  My favorite album of Chris Williamson's is her first, entitled,
_The Changer and the Changed_.  The songs are obviously MOTSS-oriented.
There's also Margie Adams and Teresa Trull.  Olivia Records puts out
all of their albums (Williamson, Christian, Adams, Trull, etc.).

Then, there's the Pretenders, which has a beautiful song called
"Hymn to her" (if I'm remembering correctly).

And there are the Indigo Girls, with an occasional MOTSS-oriented
song (e.g., "Juliet" or something like that).


-maria
From: msp@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Michael S. Pettersen)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: GLAAD: Sowell Off Target
Date: 21 Jan 93 08:49:38 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

In article <19930119103451ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>, ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble) writes:
>         (from the GLAAD/LA Reports - February Issue)
> 
> Sowell Off-Target...
> 
>   The Dec. 21 issue of Forbes magazine carried a column by
>   Thomas Sowell of Stanford's Hoover Institution decrying the
>   possibility of lifting the ban on the service of openly gay
>   and lesbian citizens in the military.  

I accidentally read an article by this jerk in the Columbus Dispatch
while I was home over the holidays.  He said that the purpose of
bilingual education programs in California was to allow Spanish
speaking children not to learn English.  How can the Hoover Institution
tolerate such intellectual dishonesty?  How can Stanford tolerate
the Hoover Institution?
--
Mike Pettersen, Ecole Normale Superieure
msp@physique.ens.fr
Perfect love casteth out fear.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Audrey
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:20:11 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <C17tM0.6t0@cs.vu.nl>, fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) wrote:

> I'm not sure if we can call Audrey Hepburn a great actress, I think I
> can say that she was certainly adequate, and almost always a pleasant
> actress. `Roman Holiday' may be cotton-candy, but it feels like
> cotton-candy made with love.

There are very few "great" actresses, and the name was already
taken by one.  Certainly Audrey Hepburn was as talented as
most (much like, oh, Marlene Dietrich...)

*X*
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Unsafe/safe,Unsafer/safer,Unsafest/safest
Date: 24 Jan 93 03:44:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1993Jan24.034433.23106
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <brsmith.727834695@duncan> brsmith@duncan.cs.umn.edu (Brian R. Smith) writes, concerning a fan club for le Jojo:
>What would we call ourselves?

I like "Jojo fuckers".
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/           Fortune presents gifts not according to the book
From: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Real Life?!?! HA!!)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Melmon, pro or con (Re: Are Gay Men Richer, Really?)
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:11:59 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:

>It seems to be never the twain shall meet time.

>Richard Johnson is pro Melmon:
>> He is not for everyone; but then, who _is_ on this forum?  There are gems
>> to be found amongst all that hard, black coal.

>Steve Dyer is contra Melmon:
>> I can't imagine anyone being particularly interested
>> in actually meeting Melmon unless he had a personality transplant first.

>Jeff Dauber is pro Melmon:
>> He gets a number of people here worked up while laughing at them.
>> For that, I give him a lot of credit.

>Owen Rowley is contra Steve Dyer (does that make him pro Melmon?):
>> I'm not particularly interested in pretending that
>> I care whether or not you get to draw another breath.

>Can it be coincidence that the pros are on the West Coast and the cons
>on the East?  The pros seem to be winning out at the moment, but
>perhaps if I add my weight to the cons the additional leverage of
>being so much eastlier than even Mr Dyer will right the balance.  I
>suppose it depends where the fulcrum is.  Madison?

I was not going to comment on this, fearing that Matthew's self-esteem
might be hurt by a de facto survey on his merit, but then I remembered.
"Wait, it's Melmon," I said to myself.  "If he couldn't handle insults
he would have been off this group a long time ago."  So, allow one vote
from sunny, bigoted central Illinois, that the man's just a hell of a 
funny guy.  So he pisses some people off.  Who doesn't?  To paraphrase
Hannibal Lecter, the net's a much more interesting place with him in
it.

Still chuckling at the "Ode to Federal Express".....
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From: trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Soc.motss Reorganization - VOTING BEGINS!
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:36:28 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha

jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman) writes:

>Aren't these proposals supposed to go through news.groups?

    Unless I'm mistaken, this isn't an actual CFV on the reorganisation,
it's a call to vote on what the reorg proposal will be.  This round should
be in soc.motss only, then the homophobes can vote down whatever plan is
decided on and put up for general votes.  (Sorry, I'm feeling cynical today.)

--
   Tim Russell                 Omaha, NE              trussell@unomaha.edu
             Hate is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado.
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.sex.motss
From: graeme@drummond.demon.co.uk (Graeme Hillary)
Subject: Re: Tim Chain Porn (Re: High School Athletes (lusher))
Reply-To: graeme@drummond.demon.co.uk
Distribution: world
Followup-To: soc.motss
X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.20 $
Organization: not
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:03:58 +0000

In article <1993Jan21.190006.12270@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:
> In article <1993Jan21.172206.14782@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
> >rough and thick from all that woodchopping and VAX system management.
>                                                 ^^^
> Most be a story about trolls.
> There is a whole generation of 20-something computer hackers that have never seen a VAX.
> 

I'm twenty-something and I know what a VAX is - it's a combined carpet
shampoo-er and vacuum cleaner!  I've got one.  :-)


===Graeme
From: nomad@network.ucsd.edu (Lee Damon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: I'm back... well, sort of anyway
Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:31:39 -0800
Organization: University of California, San Diego
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: network.ucsd.edu

The email system at Gulfstream is in BAD shape. The news feed is worse.
But, that aside, I'm back (for all three people who cared).

Mail to nomad@network.ucsd.edu is still a good place, nomad@gulfaero.com
is not. Hopefully I can get this resolved at UseNIX next week.

Savannah GA - my kind of place... NOT.

nomad
-- 
                                         - Lee "nomad" Damon -         \
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From: doug@spdcc.com (Doug Mackensie)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Air Force colonel convicted
Date: 26 Jan 93 04:17:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan26.041758.24023
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

This item appeared in the Clarinet news this evening:    

SAN ANGELO, Texas (UPI) -- An Air Force court-martial deliberated for
two hours Monday before convicting a former Goodfellow Air Force Base
commander of four charges linked to pornography.
   Col. James A. Maxwell, Jr., was accused of using his home computer 
to transmit and receive pornographic material, including information 
about gay bars, child pornography, and sexual fantasies about another 
male officer.
   Maxwell, 48, was relieved of command at the San Angelo 
base in June.
   The court, composed of three men and one woman -- all with the rank 
of colonel -- found Maxwell guilty of two counts of transmitting child 
pornography and other obscene material on his home computer.
   The jurors also convicted the Air Force veteran on two counts of 
transmitting indecent language over his computer.
   Maxwell faces a maximum of 14 years in a federal prison, a fine, 
and possible loss of his retirement benefits.
   >From the outset of the trial, Maxwell accused the Air Force of 
destroying his reputation, invading his privacy, and treating him unfairly 
under the law.
   The military judge, Col. Donald E. Weir, rejected a long series of defense 
motions during pre-trial hearings. Among them was one to supress 
information and evidence obtained during a search of Maxwell's home.
   The defense also sought permission to appeal on the point of ``undue 
command influence.''
   Maxwell's military attorneys noted that before their client was 
charged, Air Force Gen. Joseph Ashey had recommended that Maxwell be 
promoted to general officer rank, and recommended him for several 
prestigious honors.
   When the charges were levelled at Maxwell, however, Ashey issued 
an affidavit retracting his recommendations and stating that Maxwell 
was not fit for the service.
   The defense attorney told the judge this action ``heavily influenced 
Maxwell's court-martial,'' and prevented his facing a less consequential 
action.
   The defense asked the judge to dismiss all charges, based on the undue 
command influence motions. That was denied.  

[end of quoted material]

A little background. There was an investigation last year on the 
on-line service, America on Line, concerning the transmittal of 
child porn on that network. According to reports posted on
that service over the past several months, AOL allowed the FBI 
access to electronic mail and investigated approximately 88 people. 
Maxwell was the only person officially charged.    

-- 
Doug Mackensie
^   doug@spdcc.COM                 America On Line: mackensie
|   dougmac@world.std.com                      CIS: 74166,2234
\   GayCom: Doug Mackensie on 1/0
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cjones@physci.ucla.edu (Chad Jones)
Subject: Re: URGENT: Gay Military ban Action
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1
Organization: University of California Los Angeles
Date: 26 Jan 93 07:30:38 PST

The voice number for the Senate is (202) 224-3121.  Ask for your senator.
 If the line is busy (it probably will be), they'll give you the direct
line number, so have a pen ready.  

For California, here's the numbers:
Barbara Boxer (202) 224-3553
Dianne Feinstein  (202) 224-3841  fax (202) 224-0656

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Chad Jones                 | Do I need someone here to scold me or do I
Network Manager            | need someone who'll grab and pull me out of
UCLA Physiological Science | this four poster dull torpor pulling
cjones@physci.ucla.        | downward?                 -- 10,000 Maniacs
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jcav@kimbark.uchicago.edu (JohnC)
Subject: Re: Finally!!!
Reply-To: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: The Royal Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:48:48 GMT

In article <C1A5pz.MLE@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <53-JNEWS-2.1@wonky.UUCP> ailsa@wonky.UUCP (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>>well, my first political memory is of nixon resigning.
>
>Actually, that would be close to mine, too.  I lied if I said that
>Carter's election was the first.  I honestly believe that the first
>words I learned (well, was taught, anyway) were "Nixon is a crook,"
>which I dutifully recited at home whenever hearing Nixon's name, to
>the delight of my mother's radical leftist friends.

<giggle>

I'm told that when I was a wee lad of five or six (circa 1968), I used to
have the habit of saying "Nixon is sneaky and bad" whenever the Jowl-ed One
was mentioned.  My Mom insists that I came up with that on my own, but I am
skeptical.  Needless to say, my parents were very proud.


<non-giggle>

My first political memory is of a TIME magazine issue lying on the end-table
in our apartment on East 69th Street in Manhattan. It was the one with cover
story of Robert Kennedy's assassination.  I remember opening up the magazine
and looking at the nice color diagram of Kennedy's head, with lines and
arrows showing where the bullets went.

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From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pedophilia as sexual orientation
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:55:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1993Jan26.175539.24863
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <3019510926011993/A07347/POSSE/1171D2702400*@mrgate.uwyo.edu> LASAGA@corral.uwyo.edu (LASAGA) writes:
>
>roy@panix.com (Roy Radow) writes:
>
>>Pedophilia is a sexual orientation.   Sexual abuse is an illegal assault.
>
>Pedophilia is _not_ a sexual orientation.  Why not?
>
>Well, would you consider a rapist to have a "sexual orientation" to rape?

Well I think in the back of their minds many heterosexual men look
at rape as a God given orientation.  Think I can back that up with
60 million rape victims....


>I certainly don't.  The only difference between a child abuser and
>a rapist is the age of their victim.  That's it.

Yes!  And I for one feel we should get rid of the word Pedohilia and
call the person what he (vast majority are hes) is a RAPIST.

  Both involve acts of
>violence and/or abuse of power.

And non-consent!

>                                                                
>The same argument applies to sexual harassment.  A sexual harasser      
>does not have the "sexual orientation" towards X.  They have a 
>tendency to _harass_ sexually.                                        
>                                                          
>-maria             


Thank you Maria!

Bil
From: mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Smoke in gay bars
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:55:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.035454.13919@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> 
> You would not *believe* the hate mail I got for that!  I
> thought my proposal was fairly moderate, compared to lots of
> the routine anti-smoking stuff I see.  It must depend on
> whose dog is getting cooked, I mean, whose ox is getting
> gored.

Ah, well, that's dog owners for you, isn't it? I mean, doesn't the
very word itself encapsulate that essence of the creature: D-O-G.
Dog-tired. Throw a ball, it brings it back to you. Throw the
ball, it comes back. Throw. Back. Throw. Back. Throwback.
Happy creatures, dumb as a stick. Drooling constantly.
Will run after cars as soon as look at one. What greater
symbol of the Republican regime could we ask for--dumb
loyalty. Good boy, Ollie, here's your bone.

Cat-lovers are a different breed entirely, and--though the media won't
stress it too strongly--having Socks the cat in the White House instead
of that dumb mutt (I mean Millie, not Georgie) is the most significant
change in consciousness in this whole circus show. Hedonistic, indepen-
dent, self-interested, sneaking out for the catnip to get righteously
stoned (but don't inhale, ok,) but *very* environmentally aware--yes,
things are looking up.



--
Death to all fanatics!!

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: urso@spdcc.com (Stephen Chappell)
Subject: Re: finding each other at MOW... an idea
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 03:25:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.184129.20005@psych.toronto.edu> jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) writes:
>In article <thaaang.728155474@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>>Okay, fine then. We'll all be Steven groupies and tote bass drums.
>
>I'll have one hell of a time explaining it at the border...
>
>Brian
>
>Brian A. Jarvis,          Rm. 4026, Sidney Smith Hall, Dept. of Psychology,
>jarvis@psych.toronto.edu  University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
>System Administrator      M5S 1A1  (416) 978-3948
  
Well, if things continue to go as they are now, I just might be following
you across that border shortly after the March on Washington.  It looks
like I will be getting a job offer from the Canadian branch of the 
company I work for, and will be moving to Toronto this spring or summer.
 
I'll also take this opportunity to add that, because of this, I don't
think I'd be able to organize anything more than just making stickers
until April.  :-)
 
[] Urso


-- 
[] Stephen Chappell (a.k.a. "Urso")
[] urso@ursa-major.spdcc.com
[] 15 Walker Street, Powder House Square   
[] Somerville, MA 02144-1622, USA 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dbailey@cix.compulink.co.uk (Diane Bailey)
Subject: Melissa Etheridge Comes Out - Yaahoo!
Reply-To: dbailey@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 01:24 GMT
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According to Greg King of the Human Rights Campaign Fund, in
Washington DC, Melissa Etheridge, that wonderful rocker, chose
the Triangle Ball this week to Come Out as a lesbian. He told me
this evening that she announced to the whole, very public
gathering, in front of tv cameras, that she had chosen that event
to make it clear she had been a lesbian all her life.

Two days earlier she was the first woman performer to appear in
the American Reunion Celebration, before the President-elect at
the Lincoln Monument.

Ealier this year there was speculation that, as she moved
increasingly into the mainstream, she was becoming less inclined
to associate herself with events that had lesbian connections.
This followed her being unable, apparently, to find the time to
appear for the forthcoming March on Washington.

Perhaps that may now change.

A great performer just got miles better.

Diane Bailey


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