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From: warner@mtu.edu (Thumper (Nate))
Subject: Re: increasing the max field length in HC from 30K?
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 03:41:59 GMT

I have an HC stack that record the contents of disks, including what's in
compact pro and stuffit archives.  Unfortunately, a few of my archives consist
of more than 30K in info.  I was wondering if anyone had any ideas on how to
increase the max size of a field.  This would help me a lot.  Pre-Thanks!!

Nate.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: stuart@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz (Stuart Ralston)
Subject: Coloring Hypercard
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, NZ.
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:46:02 GMT

Does anyone know where I can find stacks to colorise Hypercard?
I think the options are Colorize HC, HyperTint, Pictoid Package and
Apple QT XCMDs.  Also is it worth looking at Supercard?  Is the code
compatible?  How much does it cost?  What about speed comparisons?

Oooh, so many questions and so little time...

Thanks in advance,

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: jpugh@apple.com (Jon Pugh)
Subject: Re: Creating Card Buttons automatically
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 05:39:44 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hypercard

In article <1992Nov17.203453.21312@fs7.ece.cmu.edu>, herman@amc.ece.cmu.edu
(Herman Schmit) wrote:
> 
> Is there any way to create new buttons automatically in the card
> domain?  What message do you send to create a new button (if there is
> one)?

doMenu "New Button"
get number of btns
set name of btn it to "Boogers"
set style of btn it to transparent
repeat until the mouse is down
  set loc of btn it to the mouseLoc
end repeat
choose browse tool

Fun stuff, huh?  There's all kinds of cool stuff you can do with this. 
Moving buttons, aligned buttons, stacked buttons, disappearing buttons, the
list is endless.  I often build index cards with buttons for all the cards
under script control.  The trick is to evenly space the buttons in some
number of columns and rows.  You can waste hours this way!

Jon
From: crawford@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (James E Crawford)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: Importing/accessing text files
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:40:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: jhunix.1992Nov18.164034.15856
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

I would like to thank everyone for their help in solving this problem. Your
assistance has been invaluable....

But...

1) The read command only lets you import 16k at a time (according to
the Complete HyperTalk Handbook).

2) There is no mechanism to search backward in a file. (ie. you can read
until a certain character/word/whatever, but there is no way to tell HC to
"read until Mercutio then go back 100 lines and import the next 200"

These are the problems confronting me now... Any suggestions? Will HC 2.5
remedy these? When will it be out, anyway?

Jim
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: dblackbu@alleg.edu (Dave Blackburn)
Subject: Re: Visual Effects in Monitor Millions mode
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:51:44 GMT

In article <a.hopson-191192082520@macm6210.trl.oz.au> a.hopson@trl.oz.au (Alan  
Hopson) writes:
|Could anyone please help me with following problem I have encountered using
|Hypercard 2.1?
|
|I specified a "barn door open" visual effect for changing betwen two cards
|in a stack which resulted in the following behavior under different monitor
|depth settings:
|   Monitor Setting       Visual Effect Observed
|    256                   barn door open
|    thousands             wipe down
|    millions              wipe down
|
|Can anyone explain why the visual effect is ignored when the monitor depth
|is set above 8 bits?
| 
|This is a problem because I am working with 24-bit images under Quicktime
|and would like to get the visual effects working.
|
|System Specifications:  Mac IIfx, E-Machines 19" monitor + Futura MX video
|card
|                        Sys 7.0 with Tune-up, Quicktime 1.5
|
|Thanks in advance
|
|Alan.
|_________________________________________________________________________
|Alan Hopson                        |  Voice: +61 3 253 6749  
|Telecom Research Laboratories      |  Fax:   +61 3 253 6352 
|P.O. Box 249, Clayton, Vic, 3168,  |  Internet: a.hopson@trl.oz.au  
|Australia.                         |     
|_________________________________________________________________________

Well, that answers a question I'd been wondering about. A couple people have  
posted saying they can't do it on the LC's, now I know it's a Hypercard thing,  
not a hardware thing. Looks like 256 is the most colors a vis. effect can have  
running. 
--

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* Chemistry, Macs, Hypercard, cats,  <>< religion, & the Dead      *
* (Anyone else who held these opinions would be as crazy as I am.) *
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: edandavi@well.sf.ca.us (Ed Allen and Avi Rappoport)
Subject: corruption bug?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:13:03 GMT


I'm getting a funny set of problems on one stack of a set of stacks that
I think is some sort of file corruption bug.  Here's some of the symptoms:

There's a cluster of symptoms that turn up when the stack is started by
double clicking, but cleared if you go to the home stack and back:

Print Stack and Print Card menu chioces are disabled.
Paint tools don't work, claiming low memory (even when About the Finder
says that the stack is only using about a Meg of 3 Meg commited to
HyperCard).
The stack doesn't open to it's full window size.
Sometimes it freezes entering the stack, sometimes it does so leaving it.

There are two stacks in use while working in any stack of the set, one
providing sound resources, another providing scripts and a couple of
externals.  When the problem first showed up, I started working with a
copy of the apparently corrupted stack and started hacking away parts to
try and isolate the bad card or resource.  Eventually it isolated down to
a play command for a particular sound in the sound resource stack, which
when commented out of the opensStack handler of the flaky stack, left it
symptom free for several hours.  Then problems started cropping up again.
I'm afraid something in the bad stack was corrupted in one of the crashes
in the calls to the bad sound.  BTW, I confirmed the problem of the sound
by making a fresh new stack, with only a simple openstack handler that
started using the sound stack and played the sound.  It too bombed on
opening. Strangely, another stack played the sound without problem.  The
sound has since been replaced with a fresh sound resource.

I think there is some improper writing to memory going on when the bad stack
starts showing symptoms, since I often crash later, evem if using one of
the other stacks, or just the Finder, after I see the stack open up to the
undersized window and show the bad menus.

If you have any ideas on what the problem is, the next question is "What is
the best strategy for getting the contents of the stack recovered into
a clean, new, healthy stack without carrying the problem along?"  This stack
has three backgrounds, and about 30 cards with a lot of card specific data -
card fields, paint etc.  It also has three or four palettes and the
associated PICT resources.

At least a part of the problem may be in the resource fork. At one point,
while trying to diagnose things, I couldn't get ResEdit to open the
resource fork, with the message about too much damage. Later, after a new
palette was installed from Power Tools, the new palette was the only
resource there, the old damaged fork seemed to have been cast off or
overwritten by the installation of the new resource.

Ed Allen
edandavi@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: crawford@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (James E Crawford)
Subject: Importing/accessing text files
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:59:06 GMT

I am looking for a way to have HyperCard access text files between 100k and
300k in size. As I understand it, there is a 30k limit to the amount of text
which can be put into a field. Is there any way around this? or is there any
way to have HyperCard open the text file?

Jim Crawford
From: tmcg@blueline.Corp.Sun.COM (Tom McGinn - 65507)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard,sun.mac-users
Subject: QuickTime Hypercard Toolkit?
Followup-To: poster
Date: 20 Nov 1992 00:18:01 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: blueline.corp.sun.com

Does anyone know where I could pull the QuickTime ToolKit for
Hypercard?  It is supposedly shipping with Hypercard 2.1,
but of course I bought my development copy before QT was released.

Thanks for any help!

Tom McGinn
Interactive Media Systems
Sun Microsystems
Organization: Engineering and Public Policy, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:06:39 -0500 
From: Michael Berkenpas <mb1f+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: What is WindowCraft?

In article <keyI_ZK00WAL81rHZW@andrew.cmu.edu> Michael Berkenpas,
mb1f+@andrew.cmu.edu writes:
>I received a glossy in the mail yesterday for a Hypercard to Windows
>conversion program called WindowCraft. They claim they can convert
>Hypercard 2.1 stacks to a WindowCraft program (a Windows application).
>They state their scripting language is a superset of Hyperscript. They
>claim extremely high conversion success with few unresolved errors. 

Here is the scoop on Windowcraft
________________________
WindowCraft Corporation
1000Main St.
Acton, MA  01720
508-263-7674
FAX 508-263-4158

Requires:

Windows 3.1 using 286 or higher CPU
2.5 MB memory
3.5 MB disk space

How to convert:

1. Run the WC Converter (on Mac)
2. Convert on the PC (converts intermediate file)
3. Clean up errors and test
4. Build the .EXE

Claims:

Convert HyperCard 2.1, 2.0, or 1.25, including cursors, icons, and font
information
Supports DDE (Dynamic Data Exchange)
Extended routines available through DLL (Dynamic Link Libraries)
Incremental compiler
Multi-window
Advanced tools for C programming
Royalty-free license for distribution of applications
Source-level debugger
Cleartalk language (a superset of Hypertalk)

This is the information on the glossy.
From: ph@physiology.oxford.ac.uk (Patrick Haggard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Open and close files in HC 2.0
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:25:47 GMT
Organization: Physiology Department, Oxford University, Oxford, UK.
Originator: ph@motor.physiol


Hi.  I'm writing a stack in which I open a file in one card, and then
write some ASCII strings to it from some subsequent cards, then close
it.  Trouble is, HC 2.0 seems to close the file every time it gets a
closeCard message, so my subsequent attempts to write to it say it
isn't open.  I don't remember this in HC1.2.  Is this some
undocumented feature?  To get round it, I must either prevent the
closeCard message from closing the file, or else close the file each
time, and then reopen it.  The latter option would be fine if I could
open it with status append, or fseek the end of file after opening it.
Any ideas about how to implement either solution would be *most*
welcome.

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From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: Why HyperCard
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:04:05 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <By0or3.Dsw@netnews.jhuapl.edu>, ygor@aplexus.jhuapl.edu (Daniel E. White  (F2C)) writes:
> |> In article <1992Nov19.214400.12876@macc.wisc.edu>, demerit@vms.macc.wisc.edu (J. DeMerit) writes:
> |> > why are we using HyperCard???
>
>   One good reason is that Apple now includes a stripped down version of
> HyperCard with the System Software (since 6.0.7. or so , as I recall).
>
>   You can RUN just about any stack with it, but you cannot create or modify
> stacks unless you know some magic.

I'm an admitted HyperCard enthusiast, but this one stumps me: why is having
a run-only version of HyperCard such a neat feature?

Lawrence "Everyone should be a HyperCard hacker" D'Oliveiro
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: demerit@vms.macc.wisc.edu (J. DeMerit)
Subject: Re: HyperHIT???
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 23 NOV 92 10:45:22    

In article <By15pE.Ax0@news.udel.edu>, bertsche@ravel.udel.edu (Steven Bertsche) writes...

>Is HyperHIT still available?  If so, could someone provide contact
>information for the developer?


I looked around and couldn't find info -- But I think (pretty sure, not 
positive by any means) the developer is Softstream International.  Try the 800 
directory.

I'm not sure if this helps. :)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: jpugh@apple.com (Jon Pugh)
Subject: Re: Can Hypercard use Excel's databases?
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:47:26 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hypercard

In article <jpugh-091192234504@kip2-56.apple.com>, I wrote:
> 
> You can communicate with Excel from Hypercard via AppleEvents, given that you
> use Ed Lai's SendAE XCMDs.  These allow you to build object specifiers that
> Excel will understand.  It isn't trivial and you need Excel running to do
> anything.  Personally I would write an Excel macro to translate and dump
> the files to text and then another to read them into Hypercard.  I think
> this would be simpler, given the state of Hypercard's AE support, although
> Ed's XCMDs do work and would allow you to do a bunch of really cool stuff. 
> They aren't for the weak of will though.

It turns out that Ed's XCMDs are on ftp.apple.com already in
/pub/appleevents

Go for it.

Jon
From: cgallagher@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Pattern Switch/Display Button?
Date: 20 Nov 92 03:03:04 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University


	I have been scripting and creating my own HC stacks for only 
about a year now.  I want to nkpw if anyone has a script for creating 
a button that displays the current pattern and when clicked displayes 
the next pattern.  Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Colin

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   |   -- |	 he slithers on!"
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From: ghost@pe.chalmers.se (Goeran Stigler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: I use HyperCard for...
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:17:48 GMT
Reply-To: ghost@pe.chalmers.se
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN


Hi netters,

here is a late addition to the "I use HyperCard for..." mailings. I work at the Dept. of Production Engineering at Chalmers University of Technology in Gothenburg, Sweden and a colleague and I have been using HyperCard for the last 18 months to teach and to do research in how to operate manufacturing systems.

Our own lab system is mainly built around a manufacturing cell with a handling robot, two numerically controlled (NC-) machine tools and a PLC for support and monitoring. Since all these machines only have an RS-232 connection, we hook them to our Ethernet through a Terminal server. The lab also have an automatic storage unit and will probably have an assembly cell and a system for moving workpieces between cells.

Students in the fourth and hopefully last year of their masters education get some hands-on experience in our lab, and the HyperCard part gets the highest marks! The task is to write a dispatching application that controls the flow of workpieces in and out of theNCs. With some support routines the students manage to do this in under four hours, and most of them have never heard of HyperCard before! Absolutely impossible with C or Pascal, even if we used all time available for the course.

A more capable control package, with the working name HyperCell, has also been developed. This consists of a controller stack, a product database stack and a machine communications stack, all three communicating through Apple Events. Although still a rough prototype, this package has given a lot of experience in control algorithms, database structure, information handling and operator interface design.

The best thing with HyperCard is, in my opinion, that it is integrated, ie graphic interface builder, data handling, communications, scripting and other stuff is put into the same program and still is Mac-ish and easy to use. For example, it took me just two hours, including reading the Apple Event Primer and making a couple of stupid mistakes, to set up two stacks to exchange info through AE. Clickable, not cd C:\dbase\ and so on.

No flames, but I was disappointed when I read (some recent vaporware) that there will probably not be a color HyperCard. It is needed, as is more speed but even more important is what will happen to HyperCard in the future. The debate here recently about paying for HyperCard or not is pointless if the development of HyperCard is slowing down. What we should tell Apple & Claris is what features we would like to see in HC 3.0 AND how much we would pay for them.

I will gladly give more information about our work here at Chalmers, but only by e-mail since our workload is pretty high at the moment. If any of you are doing, or are familiar with, similar work, I am very interested.

Thank you for your time,

Goeran Stigler
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: cinnibar@netcom.com (Jeff Wood)
Subject: Re: Hypercard Window Size
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:49:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.184012.11918@serval.net.wsu.edu> yeidel@tomar.accs.wsu.edu (Joshua Yeidel) writes:
>
>It appears that Hypercard windows are limited to the size of the first
>window opened when the app launches.  For example, double-clicking
>on Hypercard itself opens the home stack (which happens to be 512x342).
>Thereafter, all windows are limited to 512x342, even when opening a
>stack "in its own window".
>
>Thereafter, stack windows cannot be resized upwards.
>

Not true, I'm afraid.  I have a mini-stack on the top level of my deskstop,
minimum size, and all it does is 'go home' as an 'openStack'.  I rather not
keep the Home stack on the desktop, and this allows me to keep the stack
'HyperStart' there instead.  Well, the point is, the startup stack is smaller
than the home stack..and I have applications that are larger.  All work
regardless what I start with.

Next? :)

Jeff Wood
cinnibar@netcom.com

P.S. By 'smaller', I of course mean the size of the stack's window. :)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: mdenoo@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Marjorie Denoo)
Subject: Expand/Collapse text in SuperCard 1.6
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:33:00 GMT

I am working on a SuperCard application for my honours project. Being that I
am new to the group I am not sure if this question has been asked or not but...

My problem is that I want to expand and collapse text for a table of contents 
that I will be displaying.  The thing is that I want to display it one level
at a time and when a user clicks on an item in the table I want to either
insert or remove the subheadings for that entry based on whether or not they
are already displayed or not.
	
	e.g.
		1. chapter1
		2. chapter2
			2.1. subitem1
			2.2. subitem2
		3. chapter3
		4. chapter4

I was wondering if SuperCard had something that will do that (I only have 
access to outdated manuals) or will I have to write my own routine for this
or maybe even an XCMD?  Please help

One more thing, is there an FAQ for this group and if there is where can I find
it?

Thanks a bunch in advance.

Marjorie Denoo

Please e-mail responses to:  s9447053@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca
Organization: Studio for Creative Inquiry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:01:21 -0500 
From: Rebecca Roolf <rr3b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Next HyperCard?

HyperCard 2.5 will supposedly incorporate color when (if?) Claris
releases it.  I believe the beta was supposed to be out in November, but
we haven't seen hide nor hair yet.  

Has anyone heard anything?


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Studio for Creative Inquiry                         a multimedia project 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: bhostetl@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Brian Hostetler)
Subject: Search problems
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:08:50 GMT

	When searching for the occurence of a string such as RAD 3,
Hypercard picks out the first occurence of RAD, but doesn't seem to
recognize the 3.  If I search for a RAD-3, it notices the 3 and will
skip over, say RAD-4.  How can I fix this so that I don't have to put
in a dash to get it find occurences of say RAD 3???

-- 
-brian
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: Importing/accessing text filesy
From: clas005@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:03:59 GMT
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

In article <1992Nov18.164034.15856@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>,
crawford@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (James E Crawford) writes:
> 
> 1) The read command only lets you import 16k at a time (according to

I believe that in HC 2.1 this limit is largely lifted.

> 2) There is no mechanism to search backward in a file. (ie. you can read

But in HC 2.1 you can say, "read from file MyFileName at 
CharacterNumber for ThisManyCharacters". Surely you can figure 
out from within HC what the numbers should be.