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From: butch@wet.UUCP (Butch Katigbak)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Best Dashboard; Most quiet ride; Nominations?
Date: 11 Apr 92 03:06:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco


I am changing my car and would appreciate recommendations from the net
on which cars excite them most in terms of 

Dashboard Design and a quiet ride.

I already have an 89 Corvette Convertible
and a BMW 633.

I need a commute car. The more important criteria is the
quietness of the ride. The next is the design of the dashboard.

Thank you in advance for your suggestions.

Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.vw
From: cbh@windsurf.scd.ucar.edu (Cris Hannu)
Subject: Re: 300ZX vs SVX
Reply-To: cbh@windsurf.scd.ucar.edu (Cris Hannu)
Organization: NCAR / Scientific Computing Division, Boulder CO.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:55:51 GMT

In article <1992Apr4.020546.16994@nas.nasa.gov>, dwallach@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Dan Wallach) writes:
> allen@leland.Stanford.EDU (a Soong) writes:
> 
> >300ZX (normally aspirated) or Subaru SVX
> >Which one should I buy?
> >Any comment s will be appreciated.
> 
> If you test-drive the car, PLEASE post about it to the group.  The Subaru
> 
> Useful things to talk about that require test driving:
> 
The following are for the SVX:
> Ergronomics

Decent, could have better lumber support though.

> Shift/clutch feel

Yeah, right.  Auto only... sucks rocks.

> Brake feel

Pretty good.  Felt like most other ABS's I've tried.

> Visibility (blind spots?)

The split/divided windows are real distracting.

> Stereo quality

Decent enough.

> Usability of back seat
 
Very useable.

> I'm also curious about milage figures.

18 - 25, if I remember correctly.

Overall, I wasn't overly impressed with the SVX.  Haven't tried the 300ZX
yet.

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From: rharrie@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Replacing Toyota 4X4, recommendations?
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:09:36 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

I recently sold my '84 Toyota Xtracab 4X4 pickup.  I am now considering 
a replacement for it, and would like to hear comments on any other compact
4X4 pickups.  I have been scouting the lots but haven't made a decision yet.

I had such good luck with the Toyota that I would not hesitate to buy another,
but would also like to hear comments on the 3.0l V6 option.  How does it
compare in everyday use, gas mileage, durability and maintenance to the 
2.4l I4?

Thanks in advance,

Robert Harrie
Dalhousie University
RHARRIE@AC.DAL.CA
From: jek@icf.hrb.com (Joe Karolchik)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Passing cars on the right...why?
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:38:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.

>>In article <1992Apr10.170843.12410@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> acura@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (james.r.feeney) writes:
>>>I travel the major highways here in N.J. (Gareden State Pkwy, Turnpike, I-287)
>>>quite often and I've noticed that on 3-lane roads, people seem to prefer 
>>>passing on the right instead of the left. 

Isn't passing on the right illegal in NJ?  I seem to remember being on the
GSP once and having a cop in the far left lane travel 50 mph.  Noone was
passing and when I asked why, a passenger said she thought it was illegal to
pass on the right in NJ.  
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: gidewall@cps.msu.edu (Kenton C Gidewall)
Subject: Honda Recall
Originator: gidewall@indian.cps.msu.edu
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 17:29:15 GMT

This may have been talked about previously, but I wasn't paying any
attention to it then.

It seems that Honda is having a recall for some of its older Hondas
because of the filler pipe rusting through.  This happened to my
'82 Honda Accord last winter.  The filler pipe rusted through allowing
water and crud to get into my gas tank.  The crud then worked its
way through the fuel system, the filters, and wrecked the carburetor.
When all was said and done, it cost me about $1000 to fix it all.

I have a couple questions:  1)  Is Honda paying for repairs made
previously by the owner?  2)  Will they pay for the entire repair,
or are they only paying a fixed amount?  3)  If they are paying
for previous repairs, how much are people getting?

Thanks for any info.

  Kenton
From: mike@gilligan.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori - Information Resources)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: American engines oversized,underpowered ?
Summary: The pot said to the kettle...
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:45:46 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc., Vienna, VA.
NNTP-Posting-Host: gilligan.east.sun.com

In article <1992Apr16.184050.7018@bnr.ca>, dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton) writes:
> Canadains are so brain dead, makes me think they're from the states

Why do you say this? Is every US citizen you've ever come in con-
tact with stupid?

If you hate US citizens, or the US, why don't you just say it?

> companies seem to have lead in the heads.

I think you meant to say "lead in their heads".

> demands at all.  I'm sure they will loose another 20% of the market

Lose, as in loss is spelled "l-o-s-e".

> My Isuze Impulse gets 165hp from a 1.6L 4 cylinder and gets 30-40m

Isuzu is spelled with a terminating "u", not an "e".

> their $$$.  BTW the "lack" or Torque has done little to stop me

Don't you mean "lack of torque"?


	I don't know about the rest of you, but I am growing very
tired of listening to Don infer that all US citizens are border-
line illiterate, while simultaneously slaughtering Webster's dic-
tionary with every post.

	You, Don, are the one that cannot seem to master the use
of the english language. Your poor grammar, excessive misspelling,
and "fat-finger" typing skills do nothing but detract from the
credibility of your posts. If I may be so bold, I'd suggest that
you have someone with a reading level greater than the 6th grade
proof your posts before you send them. You may think that spelling
and grammar don't count in this forum; but like it or not, people
judge you by what they read. I'm not impressed.

	I apologize for bitching like this. It just grinds me to
hear to a person rant about stupidity, then make themselves look
damned near illiterate in the same breath.

Say whatever you will, Don... Your opinion doesn't mean d**k
to me.

-- Mike

Disclaimer - SMI assumes no position on this subject.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: daveb@Ingres.COM (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: SVO Mustang
Date: 7 Apr 92 05:15:14 GMT
Reply-To: daveb@Ingres.COM (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company

>. . .The Mustang now has
>16 wheels like the SVO (but are they as wide, weren't the SVO's 8"?).

Unfortunately not, they're 7".  And because of the widened track due to
the good suspension and brake parts, they require non-standard and
substantial offset wheels to keep the rubber inside the body.  Does
anyone know of a wrecked one where I can get some of these and a few
other rare parts are reasonable prices? :-(.

-dB
--
"If it were easy to understand, we wouldn't call it 'code'"
David Brower                   daveb@ingres.com                (510) 748-3418
From: eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (Brutus Thornapple)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Fabulous New RX7
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:06:01 GMT
Organization: clearer than blir


What really impressed me with the new RX-7 is that Mazda went to such
great lengths to keep the weight down and at the same time managed to
avoid using expensive aluminium.  The fact that it costs half of an
NSX makes it even more impressive, and its styling is also far more
beautiful than the NSX IMO.  The final question is how nimble it will
be compared to the mid engined NSX.  The 300ZX may offer performance
numbers that are similar, but it is at least 5 to 600 pounds heavier.

If there is a number in cars that really tells a lot, it is number of
pounds.  There's only that much fat tires and cubic inches can do to
compensate for weight.  A light car that will do 0-60 in 6 seconds and
1g on the skidpad would feel totally different from a heavy car that
will do 0-60 in 6 seconds and 1g on the skidpad.  Kudos to Mazda.


eliot
From: gregc@yaya (Gregory M Charland)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: The GODs are telling you something (Was: Re: Common electrical problem
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:20:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: wpi.1992Apr16.152023.6673
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute

In article <1992Apr16.115322.29177@wpi.WPI.EDU> jayg@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jay Giurleo) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.144500.1371@balr.com> andy@balr.com (Andrew Little) writes:
>> [Story about holding metal part to avoid shocks]
>>I have been tempted to drop a length of wire from the frame to the
>>road to keep the car grounded, but my wife thinks I'm crazy.
>
>I think it's just static electricity, nothing much more than that.
>
>
>I went to open my trunk yesterday, and when my key was about 1/4" from the
>lock, the charge arced across the gap! Ouch!  
>
>Don't they sell straps you can put on that drag on the ground for that
>purpose?  I think I've seen them. (Probably as useful as curb feelers,
>huh? :) )

   Unfortunately, that won't help the problem.  Ya see, when you drag your
butt across that nice cloth seat, you build up a static charge (proportional
to the size of your butt and the width of the seat :), and when you touch
the door to close it you dissapate that charge.
   So, you can either:
        a) hold a grounded metal part as you slide out of the seat.  This
           allows the charge to be given off as it accumulates.
        b) put a grounding wire in your shoe, slam the door on it so it
           touches the ground,  (same thing, just more uncomfortable)
        c) get vinyl or leather seats!
   Dragging a wire mounted to the car won't help IN MOST CASES 'cause
the charge is building up on you not on the car.

   Ain't electricity wonderful?
-- 
     ---------------------------------------------
      Gregory M. Charland-----> gregc@wpi.wpi.edu  
     ---------------------------------------------
From: koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Engine Braking - what causes it?
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:07:08 GMT
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego

In article <1992Apr8.004020.9998@sbcs.sunysb.edu> jniewiad@csws7.ic.sunysb.edu (Jan Jozef Niewiadomski) writes:
>In article <5313@nosc.NOSC.MIL> koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz) writes:

>>predominantly, the action of trying to pull intake air past a closed throttle
>>plate is the source of 'engine-braking'...  don't believe someone saying
>>'compression' because *that* is *not* true -- Diesels essentially freewheel,
>>i.e. there is far *less* engine braking with a Diesel than with a gasoline
>      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>engine (all other factors equal).
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>NOT TRUE

>Ever take your foot off the diesel-pedal ( :-) ) while driving ?  The front
>of the car literally DIVES....  Pulling a vaccuum in a gasoline engine results
>in about 1 atmosphere of resistive pressure due to crankcase pressure.  The 
>"freewheeling" diesel is compressing whatever it takes in at that particular
>RPM into 1/23 its original volume which gives an average resistive pressure
>of about 11.5 to 9.5 atmospheres depending on how high the revs are.

as a matter of fact, yes, i have lifted my foot off the accelerator...  i drive
a Cummins-powered Diesel pickup and can *assure* you and anyone else that that
Cummins essentially freewheels compared to an equivalent displacement gasoline
V8 (359 cdi vs. 360 cid).  i do thank you for the compression-ratio reminder,
but i am well aware of the Diesel's higher ratio.  i have also never driven a
'practice-Diesel' as found in small cars, but am aware that Mercedes (on early
240D models) used pneumatic methods for engine speed control -- a butterfly
(looks *just* like a throttle plate) valve is installed in a venturi in the
manifold and generates a vacuum signal used by the pump...  *that* Diesel would
produce engine braking due to my above stated mechanism.  others, yourself
included, are free to disagree with me, but i do not consider the 'Diesel' in a
Rabbit to be a real Diesel.  real Diesels are manufactured by (for example)
Cummins, Caterpillar, Detroit Diesel, Perkins, etc.

as i said, having never had opportunity drive a Diesel Rabbit, i cannot comment
on that; but i have driven Diesels for several years and can comment about
their behavior.


>My explanation may not be complete but a diesel rabbit slows down a hell of a 
>lot faster than a gasoline-engined rabbit when engine braking.

are you certain you didn't violate my 'all else equal' qualifier?  are Rabbit
Diesels similar/identical displacement to the gasoline counterpart?  same final
drive ratio, etc?

>JJ

Walt K.
From: koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Engine Braking - what causes it?
Date: 14 Apr 92 10:19:20 GMT
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego

In article <181054@pyramid.pyramid.com> lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:

>   Beats me, Richard.  I'm still waiting for someone (from the
>   closed throttle camp) to tell me where an engine gets the power
>   to push the pistons up against compression...which takes a HECK
>   of a lot more energy than sucking wind.  That's why some diesels
>   pop a valve open for starting and freewheeling...

sheesh, Alan Hepburn wrote a lengthy description answering this very question
recently...  also, don't lose sight of the fact that there is a piston on its
way from TDC to BDC (providing energy to the system) as another is on its way
from BDC to TDC (consuming energy during compression)...

walt k.
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.vw
From: jayg@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jay Giurleo)
Subject: Re: The GODs are telling you something (Was: Re: Common electrical problem
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 11:53:22 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.144500.1371@balr.com> andy@balr.com (Andrew Little) writes:
>
>I have this problem as well in my wife's car (not VW).  I am now very
>used to holding on to a metal part of the door when I step out.  This
>way the contact to ground is thru my foot - no sparks.  Don't laugh, I
>have seen a spark at night in my garage.
>
>I have been tempted to drop a length of wire from the frame to the
>road to keep the car grounded, but my wife thinks I'm crazy.

I think it's just static electricity, nothing much more than that.


I went to open my trunk yesterday, and when my key was about 1/4" from the
lock, the charge arced across the gap! Ouch!  

Don't they sell straps you can put on that drag on the ground for that
purpose?  I think I've seen them. (Probably as useful as curb feelers,
huh? :) )



-- 
                                  
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: peterco@eff.org (Peter A. Cohen)
Subject: Best Head Unit for under $200
Organization: ON Technology, Inc.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:03:06 GMT

What's the best full-featured head unit that you know of for under $200?

- Peter
From: Stuart.Krivis@p0.f512.n157.z1.fidonet.org (Stuart Krivis)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: spark plugs
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 20:13:20 EST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:157/512.0 - OHIONet Express, Cleveland OH

I find that Champion plugs work well in almost any engine.
Platinum hasn't done anything special for me. What do they
actually claim for platinum plugs? I didn't notice any
difference (except for price) :-) .


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From: ac579@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (G.C.J. Timm)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: was: Buy American parrots now: union fools
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:48:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr13.224813.22390
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


Carl,
Please get this STRAIGHT!

PATCO (Professional Air Traffic Controlers Union) was made up
OF FEDERAL GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE'S.

They Could Not Strike By LAW!

Jimmy the C and the Democrat Congress created the Unions into
a quazi governmental unit, that is they are Now the means of
appeal for ALL employees.  BUT They NEVER allowed legal strikes.

When PATCO walked (and some of the Air Controllers tell stories
about Union Threats that will curl your hair.)  The President
had no legal choice but to fire them, and even then that lefty,
ex-union President tried for weeks to avoid it!

So please don't confuse Law and Reality with Union Politicians
BS.

Jeff
Xref: sparky rec.autos:10936 rec.autos.vw:2250
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.vw
Subject: Re: Experience purchasing 1992 VW GTI 16v (long)
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:55:04 GMT
	<1992Apr7.235054.11540@unixg.ubc.ca>
	<1992Apr8.124847.26292@wpi.WPI.EDU>
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280

>>>>> On Wed, 8 Apr 1992 12:48:47 GMT, jimk@wpi.WPI.EDU (James Matthew Kokernak) said:

jimk> In article <1992Apr7.235054.11540@unixg.ubc.ca> twong@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong) writes:
>> When I was looking for a new car and I posted my questions about VW
>here in rec.autos and rec.autos.vw, I was told that the quality of VW
>went down the tubes ever since North American VWs are assembled in
>Mexico.  The parts are the same but the quality went down a lot.
>People had squeaks and misc things falling off, and leaks....etc. I
>like these German cars but unless we can get them straight from
>Germany again
>as opposed to Mexico, I'd steer away from them. Personal opinion only.

jimk> Not all North American VW's are assembled in Mexico. Look at the
jimk> VIN.  If it begins with a "W", then it was built in West(ern)
jimk> Germany. The Fox is built in Brazil, all of the Jettas are built
jimk> in Germany, some of the Golfs are built in Germany, some are
jimk> built in Mexico, some might be built in U.S. (This is all as far
jimk> as I can tell)

My friends Golf was made in Pennsylvania
--
                        Scott Streeter
                        ss@wpi.wpi.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: pauly@netcom.com (Paul Yoshimune)
Subject: Cleaning K&Ns...x
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 00:48:34 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Keywords: air filters fram K&R

Actually, there is a solvent/cleaner K&N makes to take out all the gunk and
dirt (which works very well, I might add...).  After using that, you need
only rinse out the filter with water (from the inside out, of course), and
re-oil it.  Again, K&N makes the oil for this purpose.  Amazingly enough,
the cleaner and oil are extremely reasonably priced, and one bottle of each
should last you the far side of forever...

-- 
-Paul Yoshimune [pauly@netcom.com]
From: slim@tazdevil.llnl.gov (Scott Whitman)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: new Mazda MX-6
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:34:26 GMT
Organization: Massively Parallel Computing Initiative, LLNL


I just saw one of these beasts today and it looks great.  It kind of
looks like a Nissan 240SX buy not as generic.  It seems to me to be a
lot more sylish than the previous generation.  I haven't seen the new
Probe yet, anybody?
--------------------------------------------------------
Scott Whitman			slim@tazdevil.llnl.gov
LLNL, L-416, P.O. Box 808	(510) 294-4109
Livermore, CA 94550		
Xref: sparky rec.autos:11466 soc.culture.indian:14495
From: rajiv@mbunix.mitre.org (Kohli)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Are all Americans stupid
Keywords: american speed humor
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:19:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: linus.1992Apr15.171908.2190
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA


	Reply to: Are all Americans STUPID in rec.autos 

	Hey! Look whose calling names

	Aren't you from the same set 

	*) Who are falling behind in status, and ranked below Italy too [No 
	   offense to Italians]. So how come the smart jerks that u think u 
	   r couldn't keep the economy up. If u do SPEED, as u claim, why
	   don't u paddle ur teeny cars faster and catch up.

	*) Who were "LandLords" and are now left only with the "Lords"
	   What ever happened to all the "Land" (it's even questionable
	   if you retain possession of the Falklands).

	*) Who are getting kicked from every other country. Soon it will be
	   every country

	*) Who stole rock'n roll from us?

	*) whose prime minister kisses our presidents ass 

	*) Who splat over your shirt when u eat... Thus the need for a
	   bib

	*) Who speak with their jaw locked. "Tsh! Tsh!.. Please pass me the
	   the tea"

	*) Who will need a lot of chiropractic treatment... After all the
	   bending for the Queen. I wonder who she bends for - these days

	*) Who needed the satellite info to fight Argentina.. Fight ur
	   own wars dude!

	*) Who charge their own citizens 3 times as much for gas and other
	   appliances as we YANKS do?

	*) Who have a problem saying "Schedule" .. It is "sched-ule"

	*) Who have trouble giving licenses to all the citizens. What's
	   the big thing about passing driving test. Is it the scumbags
	   pedestrians or the degrading brains of the Brits that u r
	   worried about

	*) Who can't agree upon the common currency for Europe. What is
	   with your pound? Did it pound ur brain!


	By the way we YANKs play it safe:

	1) The 55 limit is the official limit in a densely [by DOT
	   standards] populated area and 65 for others than are less
	   If you take the average of all the speed statistics u will
	   see that most of us drive at 65+.

	2) When we do want to go fast we just FLY.	

	So why don't you go home sit down on the porch [if you can avail
	of a sunny day] and peel some limes - you limey.

	Besides, since we Americans invented the powered automobile, we 
	have to take the responsibility to dictate how the rest of the world
	should drive.  And while we're on that subject...  get on the
	correct side of the road!!

	And while you are busy get that damn 200V down to 110V

	And with the Green house effect, and the oceans rising, get off
	that island of yours and don't u look towards the US - we will be
	too busy driving slow on our roads to find out that u guys are 
	drowning.

	Go ahead flame me you BRIT!
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ravalent@rodan.acs.syr.edu ()
Subject: RE: '92 Suburban
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 13:48:40 EDT

>[someting about the 92 sub. motor being a "neanderthal"]

Just cause it's old, don't mean its bad.  The chevy V-8 is one
of the better truck motors around.  The 350 in my 71 pickup finally
departed at 345,000 miles.  I'd take one ANY day.....

----> Bob
From: c60c-1ak@web-1d.berkeley.edu (Wei-Lun ("Waylon" Jennings) Tsai)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: why buy japanese?
Date: 10 Apr 1992 22:07:03 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: web-1d.berkeley.edu
Summary: Let's talk about cars!!! Not other consumer products!!!

I thought this newsgroup was about cars, not other stuff.  If you guys want
to debate about who makes better consumer electronics, you have another
newsgroup to post to.  Now let's get back to CCCCCARS!!!!

Wei-Lun

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rra21220@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rae R. Aranas)
Subject: New 1993 Mazda MX-6
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:47:01 GMT

I just saw the new mx-6 here in my
apartment complex...It is a world
apart from the previous model...
It looks quite.....Lexusish Coupish....
Anyway, has anyone read about the specs for
the new mx6?  The car I saw had a little
emblem on the rear saying V6 engine.....
Thanks for the info.

Newsgroups: rec.autos