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From: s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: A Place Between Regular and Lucid Dreams?
Date: 23 Nov 1992 19:32:38 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft math/inf, Uni Karlsruhe, FRG
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In article <1992Nov20.201030.23085@ux1.cts.eiu.edu> csmcm@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Mary C. McDaniel) writes:
>...
>At any rate, in such dreams there is never a moment at which I say 
>"I'm dreaming, and in a dream, I'm in charge of the situation and can
>make it come out any way I choose"; and yet, I behave as if this has
>occurred.  My question is, thus, how should such dreams be classified?

Partially lucid?

>(Indeed, the way I learned to lucid dream, about 25 years ago, was
>to repeat-- when I had a scary dream-- "this is only a dream" to the
>point that the _next_ time such a dream occurred, I knew I was dreaming,
>was in control, had nothing to fear.)

The same holds for me, incidentally.

>Is my interpretation of lucid dreaming wrong, or could there be
>other categories of dreams?  At least varying degrees of lucidity?

I think lucidity is a gradual scale from nonaware to control, not an
on/off bit.

olaf
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From: epyle@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Eric Pyle)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Dead in a Dream Ditch
Date: 22 Nov 92 15:59:15 GMT
Organization: University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK
Originator: usenet@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu

I was wondering if anyone can email me the DREAM FAQ. I am
doing a research paper over dreams and would like to use
this group as a resource. 

				Happy REMs,
				Eric
From: gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Flying into space.
Date: 24 Nov 92 02:09:11 GMT
Organization: Carleton University

Last night I went lucid twice.  The first time, I decided to fly and
fell flat on my face.  In a snowbank fortunately.  Sniff.
 
I could blow away zombies, but they're so neat...  They usually don't
frighten me.  Usually I'm interested in them.

                                        Nik
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:11:43 EST
From: <TLZ103@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: nuclear!

The other night I had two dreams involving nuclear disasters.

The first dream, I was sitting in the living room area of a home that was
familar to me.  I was with a few other people, friends not relatives, and
we were all preoccupied with something, on an individual basis.  Then a
nuclear missle exploded above us and we were all killed.  It was interesting,
however, that I was able to watch as the flesh melted from all of our bones,
leaving only our skeletons laying on the floor.  For some strange reason,
anyone in an automobile was not affected by the explosion (how I knew this I
don't know, but I did).  With this realization, like Quantum Leap, I turned
back the clock to before the explosion and tried to leave the room and get
into a car before the bomb went off again.  Everybody in the room then began
to talk to me and ask me questions and stuff like that so that it would impair
my leaving.  They didn't know about their impeding deaths and I wasn't in a
great hurry to leave.  I particularly remember sitting on the floor to put my
sneakers on before I was to leave.  With all this pussy-footing around, I
didn't make it out to the auto and again died exactly the same way as the first
time.  This time, however, a friend and I (or at least our skeletons) went out
for a walk to see what all happened to the city from the nuclear explosion.
Out and about, we saw that everything was quite normal, except everyone was
just a skeleton.  The women skeletons were wearing pearl necklaces and golden
belts and there were skeletons dressed in suits and the like.  The city itself
was quite futuristic, with a monorail high above the streets transporting the
workers from here to there.  That's all that I can remember about the first
dream.

The second dream started with me in either a high school or a junior high
school.  We were quite close to a nuclear power plant and it was about to
have a melt down according to the hand held radio that I was listening to.
I went up to the roof of the building to see the explosion.  On the roof, and
standing in the doorway to return down into the building, I was able to see
the reactor explode.  I could see the wavefront of heat sweeping across the
country side burning and destroying everything.  After seeing and instant
of this, I dove down the stairs into the building, just behind me the cinder-
blocks in the stairway to the roof were melting away.  I quickly ran deeper
towards the center of the building down into the sub-basements.  I met up with
the others that were waiting there (I guess that this means that this building
was a bomb shelter and we were expecting the explosion) and joined in with
whatever they were doing.  That's all that I can remember about this dream.

Terrance Zechman
Penn State University
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From: miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.)
Subject: Re: alt.dreams in my head
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:09:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.161959.1522@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu> teschultz@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu writes:
>In article <1e74i1INN28f@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ak044@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeremy Borger) writes:
>> In a previous article, teschultz@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu () says:
>> 
>>>   In both of these dreams the "decisions" I made and my feeling of
>>>"lucidity" were totaly dreamed and not actually counsciously made :(.
>> 
>> Yes, that's happened to me before, but think about this conclusion:
>> 
>> In the same way that you forget dreams when you wake, you may have forgotten
>> that it was a true lucid dream when you woke up.
>> 
>> Although, I suppose dreaming you have a lucid dream is very possible.
>> 
>I guess I could forget being lucid just like a dream, but I find that 
>very unlikely.  After all, I did remember the dream itself. Also, in the 
>past, the moment I realize I am dreaming I unfortunatly wake up. (It would
>really suck if I've had many full length lucid dreams and not remembered
>them!)

I have had lucid dreams that I just barely remembered, suggesting to me
that I have had other lucid dreams that I never remembered.  Sometimes I
have remembered a dream, recalling only much later that I was lucid during
part of it.  Maybe these were just dreams where I only dreamed I was lucid,
as opposed to real lucid dreams, but I have to say that the distinction
eludes me.
---
Michael Turner
miket@tcs.com
From: pelletier@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re-entering dreams after waking
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:07:19 GMT
Reply-To: pelletier@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University


     I have recently been working on dream recall and recording and I am
interested in learning how to re-enter a dream after waking up and recording
it.  Any hints on how to do this?  I would be particularly interested in re-
entering in a lucid state, although I have never achieved true lucidity :-)
(I mean in the dream world of course!).  
	Replies may be posted or e-mailed.  Thanks in advance (TIA?)
From: ptaplin@escher.arch.adelaide.edu.au (Paul Taplin)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Teas for the mind & dreams
Date: 24 Nov 1992 05:17:45 GMT
Organization: Department of Architecture, University of Adelaide.
Distribution: world
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Recently someone posted about the effects that Ginseng tea had on
their dreams. Does anyone know of the effects of other herbal teas?
I've found that camomile tea makes me sleep very deeply, and as a
result I don't often wake after REM periods to recall my dreams.
Does anyone have a list of herbal teas and effects on the body/mind?



-- 
Paul Taplin, Dept of Architecture, University of Adelaide, South Australia
e-mail: ptaplin@arch.adelaide.edu.au
From: s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Music to Induce Lucidity?
Date: 23 Nov 1992 19:48:48 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft math/inf, Uni Karlsruhe, FRG
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>In article <21NOV92.00635144.0013@tscc.macarthur.uws.EDU.AU> ABLB000 <ABLB@musica.macarthur.uws.EDU.AU> writes:
>>...
>>British New Age musician (a brilliant flautist).  He said that people
>>had told him that in 3 hours of meditation, they couldn't acheive
>>what 30 seconds of music could...
>>He went on to discuss how various vibrations affect different parts
>>of your body, but what really interested me was that various tones,
>>he said, make you more lucid.

Not really about lucidity... but from my experience music can greatly
improve sleeping. I was used (some time ago) to take 15-minute naps
with some music running on my ghetto-blaster (later changed it for a
walkman ;-) at a certain volume level (I've figured out rather exactly
which level I need). I didn't dream at all during this, so nothing
about lucidity :-) but I had the feeling that these 10-15 minutes
could achieve more than three hours of sleep had normally. (Note that
this was additionally, I didn't change my usual sleeping cycle of 9
hrs per night. Yes, 9 hrs.)

I did this once at a place where there were doors that led pass noise
through as would ordinary air, and after that a fellow from the next
room said to me: "I can't imagine that anybody can sleep at that noise
level... but you have indeed good music!" 

This was NO 'meditation' or 'new-age' music (I don't like that, I had
even problems to get along with Mike Oldfield records at that time),
but (in that case) avant-garde disco music (a band called Propaganda,
if anyone cares). Other candidates for this use are mainstream
Rock'n'Roll and Beethoven. (I have a broad range of cassettes...)

I usually sleep better with music running. What I really dislike is
the radio on, since I'm used to switch it off on commercials
(only twice an hour thanks to German state-run radio regulations) and
I always dream of the power switch of the radio not working ;-)

I can imagine a certain influence of the DreamLight-type of music on
lucidity. Maybe if I'm using the same record on many consecutive
occasions... I'll try, and let you know if it works :-)

olaf
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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: 002369c@ace.acadiau.ca (WILLIAM FREDERICK CUSTANCE)
Subject: Re Dying in dreams
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:03:58 GMT

Hold on there fellows
In a dream that I had a while back, I dreampt that I had died. Whelp, that 
led to an oobe. I posted this some time ago. I send info about it if any one 
wants to know more about it.
But the main thing is, IT IS POSSIBLE! 
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From: clint@waldron.Stanford.EDU (Jennifer Dole)
Subject: Re: Dying in dreams
Organization: Stanford Univ.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 23:15:57 GMT

In article <722102872.6101@minster.york.ac.uk> ae-a@minster.york.ac.uk writes:

>   I have heard somewhere that if you die in your dream, you
>die in real life. 

Now HOW would anyone ever know if this were true or not?!!

(*NOTE: This is a rhetorical question. Please do not respond with
theories as to how anyone would ever be able to tell if a person
who was found dead in bed had been dreaming of dying. No one that
this might have happened to has lived to tell.)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: kekamins@zeno26.math.UWaterloo.ca (kekaminsky)
Subject: Re: Dying in dreams
Summary: myth?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:01:50 GMT

In article <722102872.6101@minster.york.ac.uk> ae-a@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>
>   I have heard somewhere that if you die in your dream, you
>die in real life. What usually happens to me if I am about
>to die or hurt myself is that I just wake up. Is this
>just the result of my heart speeding up or is it an early-
>warning system in my brain terminating my dream so that I
>don't convince myself that I'm dead.
>

 I think this is a myth about dying in your dreams.  I 'die' frequently
in my dreams, but in a sense I still continue- I usually become
a detached observer of the subsequent events. None of these are
vivid enough so that I see any ramifications of my death, if any.

For example if someone hacks me up, I am initially terrified, but it doesn't
hurt, and after a second because of the instability of the dream,
the person or thing either is hacking up an inanimate object (me?),
or is attempting to hack with a frisbee or some other 'useless' object.

Kirk

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: angelai@wam.umd.edu (Angela I.)
Subject: Experiment Proposal (revision)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:39:03 GMT

Hello again...

I'm getting a lot of responses from people who prefer the boat idea...
So, here is a revised edition of the Dreamscape (all other decisions
to date remain in effect):

Vehicle:  A large white cruiser ship with the words "S.S. Dreamers"
in large black letters on both sides, and the back.  Since it is a boat,
it can "sail" through any body of water (or anywhere else, depending on
how bizarre some of your dreams can get!) :)  The interior of the ship
has three decks, one for living quarters, one with a kitchen & a large hall 
for meals (and laden with lots of delicious food, as all cruise ships always
are!) :),  plus other rooms, including a game room, etc., and an
upper deck with "outdoor" games (shuffleboard, etc.), including a
swimming pool and other recreational activities.  All dreamers are welcome
to enjoy all of the ship's facilities, and they are invited to interact with
anyone else on the ship, and they may also look at and/or leave
objects by the swimming pool or in the dining room...




How's that, folks???

Pleasant dreams!
Angela

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: New Age Music to Induce Lucidity?
Reply-To: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:31:56 GMT

In article <21NOV92.00635144.0013@tscc.macarthur.uws.EDU.AU>, ABLB000 <ABLB@musica.macarthur.uws.EDU.AU> writes:
>
>If refrigerators can be made illegal for emitting appetite-inducing
>vibrations, then maybe some vibration can help to induce lucid dreams?
>Just a thought...
>
>Michael Stone
>University of Western Sydney [l.burnell@uws.edu.au]
>or [knbl@musicb.marist.edu]
>
Could you say more about this?  Which refrigerators?  Where?  When?
Thanks.

Erik Timmerman

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Physical discomfort while lucid
Date: 23 Nov 1992 19:20:14 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft math/inf, Uni Karlsruhe, FRG
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In article <1992Nov20.193402.1883@digi.lonestar.org> emartine@digi.lonestar.org (Edgar Martinez Martinez) writes:
>...
> Now for the weird part: Some of the times that I become lucid, I feel
>like somebody is tickling my right armpit, and the feeling is so intense
>that most of the times I make myself wake up just to stop it! Last night
>this happened to me again, but I decided to take it for as long as possible.
>I couldn't ignore it or make the sensation disappear, and it ended up
>breaking my concentration and waking me up. The weird thing is that when
>I wake up from these dreams, the ticklish sensation keeps on going for
>about 15 seconds or so. And it's always my right armpit! Why!?
>
>I sleep shirtless and it's never the sheets tickling me. I've never had a
>traumatic experience of this kind (being tickled for a long time or until I
>fainted), so what could this be?

I suspect that it *is* some sort of physical influence. I've
(unsuccessfully) tried the relaxing technique and found it *very*
important to get the position right. In theory, no point of your body
should have anything impacting it more than any other point. For
example, it is impossible to do with your legs crossed. 

Furthermore, it is known that in some cases certain nerves can go
berserk and induce feelings that aren't really there. That explains
why it is always the same one. Not really a physical problem but can
be annoying, especially when you have no other physical influence to
that nerve.

olaf
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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: preiser@cancer.unm.edu (Doug Preiser)
Subject: Re: Theory on dreaming
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 17:10:28 GMT
Organization: UNM Cancer Center
Reply-To: preiser@cancer.unm.edu

In article <92317.203200C09615DK@wuvmd.wustl.edu>, C09615DK@wuvmd.wustl.edu writes:
>From what I remember from my Intro. to Psych. class, this is true.  What has
>been 'found' to occur is that people usually go through about 4 cycles of sleep
>each one 'interrupted' by one dream.  Each successive cycle's dream is shorter
>(I don't remember anything about less color, plot, etc.), ie. each REM period
>is shorter than the previous one.

Actually, REM periods get longer as sleep goes on.  The periods *between* REM
get shorter.
>
>Just my 2cents--Dan K

Doug.

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Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic
From: mporter@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mitchell Porter)
Subject: Re: Celia Green and the Institute for Psychophysical Research
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 02:06:41 GMT

JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:

>In article <1992Nov17.044008.27529@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
>mporter@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mitchell Porter) writes:

>>Is anyone on the Internet familiar with the work of Celia Green and/or the
>>Institute for Psychophysical Research (IPR) of which she is the Director?
>>IPR PUBLICATIONS
>>	Out-of-the-body Experiences
>>	Apparitions
>>CELIA GREEN
>>	The Decline and Fall of Science (1976)
	(and other titles)
>Are you sure this is not the institute for PARApsychological Research?
>The titles and your description of her "work" suggest that she knows
>little if anything about the area of psychology called "psychophysics".
>May I recommend that you also post this to sci.skeptic, if you haven't
>already.  I'm sure someone there, perhaps even Martin Gardner, could
>clarify this person's approach.
It's definitely "psychophysical", and I'm sure this was chosen to refer to
an interest in the relationship between mind and matter, rather than the
psychological discipline of psychophysics. I presume this name was chosen,
rather than "Parapsychological", in order to make it clear that the IPR's
field of inquiry would not be restricted to the usual topics of that
field. In the introduction to one of Celia Green's books, there is an
invitation for people who might be interested to come to Oxford and find
out more about the IPR, in which she writes:
  An interest in the phenomena stigmatised as paranormal is not enormously
  relevant; in fact, if such an interest is in any way associated with a
  particular world-view, or if you regard paranormal phenomena as supporting
  any particular beliefs, it is unlikely that you would find working with
  us congenial for long.
From: cstadbg@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr M J Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: A Question to lucid dreamers
Date: 17 Nov 1992 12:27:34 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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>In article <92308.190029SRK106@psuvm.psu.edu> Senthil Ramas Kumar

>>hi, I just have this simple question for u all pple.  while being in this
>>lucid dreaming state, when u ever meet anyone else, has anyone told that
>>other person in the dream "hey, do u realize that this is all a dream ?".
>>if the answer is yes, then I'd like to know thier responses.
>>
>I became lucid in a dream and my best friend was there.  I told him we were in
>a dream but he didn't seem to care. 

I too became lucid in a dream, but by telling the person I was "with" it
woke me quite suddenley before they had time to react. Shame....

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From: swolfe@ecst.csuchico.edu (Sue A Wolfe)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Electricution . . . almost
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:09:17 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
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The other night, before going to my hometown for the wedding of a highschool
friend, I had a strange dream that got my heart pounding.

In the dream two of my friends from high school (the second of which killed
herself last February) and I put the seconds friend's little brother on 
gymnastic rings (his feet were in the rings).  The rings were setup next to
a large swimming pool.  We were swinging him back and forth, when he went
forward he would swing out over the pool.  Pretty soon I noticed that I was
swinging in rings, only these rings were much larger and were set OVER the 
pool.  I looked back toward the other rings and my two friends were there but
the little boy was gone.

I was swinging really high and didn't like it.  I thought if I could just 
swing in more of an arc my feet would sweep the water and slow me down, but
when I would get toward the top I would fall straight down and swing back up
even faster and farther.  After a few times of this I realized I was going to 
swing over the top of the bar (that the chains that the rings were attatched to
were atttactched to) so I looked up and saw power lines in the way.  This was
when I really got scared.  I realized the chains would go over the power lines
and the bar then I would land in the water. . .

That's when I woke up, my heart pounding so hard I didn't think it would ever
lighten up.


This dream has really stayed with me ever since.  So I thought I would share 
and see if anyone had any good explainations.



Sue
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