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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: shields up
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 23:12:07 GMT
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In <1992Dec30.190014.29288@news.unomaha.edu> hewett@cwis.unomaha.edu (Dallas Hewett) writes:

>Why are the shields raised sequentially around the ship?  Why can't they be
>raise at the same time around the ship?  It seems that it would take less time
>than the sequential method.....

For the same reason that the ships in TWOK manuevered around one
another at a range of <100 yards (where an explosion would destroy
both ships), travelling at relative velocities of 10-100 mph, fired
phaser shots at one another, and *missed*.

Because everyone who knew even a little about science or
science fiction was replaced by the producer of The Six-
Million Dollar Man.
 
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From: wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez)
Subject: Re: *** Spoiler *** Comments on "Chain of Command Part II"
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 03:48:09 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: wombat@coke.eng.umd.edu

*** Spoilers ***



In article <athos-261292111931@kip2-29.apple.com> athos@apple.com (Rick Eames) writes:
>In article <1992Dec26.160341.22400@eng.umd.edu>, wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose
>Gonzalez) wrote:
>
>> - I was thouroughly impressed with the Captain Jellico aspect  
>> of the story.  I found that I liked Jellico at the *end*, but not *during*
>> the episodes.  Troi was right, though, he wasn't sure of himself.  Control-
>> freaks never are.  To compensate for his feelings of inferiority, as Riker
>> said, he had to control "everything and everyone."  *This* is why he
>> changed the watch-rotations, not because it was necessarily the wisest thing
>> to do, but because he wanted things *his* way.  This is why he made changes
>> that weren't necessary.  Very, very well done character.  If the rumors that
>> Stewart are leaving after this season are true, I would not mind at *all* if the
>> rumor that Ronny Cox would replace him is true as well.  Yes, he would be
>> very different form Picard, but he has a long way to go, character-wise, and
>> that would be very interesting to watch. 
>
>It was never shown that it *wasn't* needed either.  I think that Jellico's
>job was to ensure a victory and to do that he needed the ship to work as he
>was used to.  Remember, he didn't have time to get touchy-feely with the
>crew.

Either way, it was a way to get things the way he felt they should be.  In
this case, he was right, and he managed to succeed in his mission.  But
people who are control-freaks often break under the pressure of all the 
responsbility.  As I said previously, I would *love* to see Jellico back
if Stewart leaves the show.  It would be very interesting to see how he handles
failure.
 

-- 
Jose Gonzalez
From: wilson@mbcl.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Picard's Book.
Date: 3 Jan 93 17:40:26 GMT


	My last question was answered so well, that I 
decided to ask another -- What is the book in Picard's
Ready Room?  Twice I have seen direct reference to it -
in "Chain of Command" the replacement captain gives it
to Picard, and in the episode of the phony historian 
time travelilng.
From: cbusch@ub.d.umn.edu (Chris)
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Subject: when will DS9 be on in MN?
Date: 27 Dec 1992 02:08:35 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
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   Hello, when and what channel will Deep Space 9 be broadcast
out of the Twin Cities and when/where out of Duluth (both in Minnesota)?
Please email me directly, so not to bother non-Minnesotans.
--
cbusch@ub.d.umn.edu
When they say Minnesota is cold, that is an understatement.
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E  II
Date: 21 Dec 1992 21:36:05 GMT
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In <BzMHDy.504@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> pjohnson@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca writes:

> In article <1992Dec18.230740.11577@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> tcwang@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Tom C Wang) writes:
> >In article <1992Dec17.225700.499@fsl.noaa.gov> jkl@fsl.noaa.gov (Jennifer Longstaff) writes:
> >>christopher stone (cstone@husc8.harvard.edu) wrote:
> >>I'm trying to remember when a woman was portrayed as *REALLY SMART* or
> >>competent or a good female role model.  Can anyone help me with this?
> >>And, don't get me wrong.  I'm really not trying to flame about sexism
> >>or ageism.  I'm just trying to find some good examples of women as 
> >>competent role models, and so far I can't remember any having emerged.
> >>I'm just curious about this, not trying to start anything.
> >>- Jennifer
> >>  jkl@md.fsl.noaa.gov
> >>
> >What about the woman who designed the EnterpriseD?  I don't know how I forgot 
> >her name...finals must have fried my mind.
> >She was intelligent and competent, and I think she would be a great role
> >model.
> >
> >Tom.
> 
> 	Leah Brahms.  That's *one* (out of *how* many female characters
> we've seen?).  (I don't even know whether to count Riker's lover, the J'nai:
> s/he was intelligent and competent, but was s/he male or female?)

  Well, the J'nai said she felt female.

  Other strong/smart/competent women:

	Capt. Garret/Garrick of the Ent-C.

	The Admiral in charge of the inquiry in _The First Duty_.

	Vash may not have been a good role model, but she seemed competent, 
	smart, and took no guff.

	Beverly Crusher is always seen as pushy by a lot of netters, but it
	is usually from the compassionate side, just like McCoy was in TOS.
	She also is smart and competent.

	Ro Lauren was certainly strong.  She also seemed to grow a bit from 
	her first appearance, becoming less bitter and more rounded as a char-
	acter.

	Mirabeu (sp), Picard's "daughter" in _Inner Light_.

	Guinan is always shown as wise and compassionate (okay except for a
	little bit with the Borg Hugh).

	The JAG officer in _Measure of a Man_.


  I'm sure we can think of others...	


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
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From: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DSN or DS9 ?
Date: 2 Jan 93 14:58:00 GMT
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Reply-To: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 

On Date: 31 Dec 92 23:49:35 GMT, brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) wrote:

VI>More fuel for the fire.  The TV Guide article uses DS9 for the abbreviation
VI>and, catch this, the script for "Emissary" uses DS9 for the abbreviation and
VI>Deep Space Nine when fully used.

That would seem to settle it, in my opinion.  If Michael Piller spells it
"DS9", if the hats spell it that way, if TV Guide spells it that way, and
if the SCRIPTS spell it that way, then what possible argument can there be
for "DSN"?  Grammar and syntax are just arbitrary rules and guidelines
anyway; abbreviating "Deep Space Nine" as "DS9" is no more or less improper
than abbreviating it as "DSN".

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From: root@ncrbeth.BethlehemPA.NCR.COM (root)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Where are the enlisted personal?
Date: 21 Dec 92 13:40:59 GMT
Organization: NCR-FESC BETHLEHEM, PA.

In <1god7fINNlqf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley) writes:


->I believe I remember a statement by Gene Roddenberry in the 
->book THE MAKING OF STAR TREK (by Whitfield and Roddenberry,
->first published during the original network run of ST) to the
->effect that he envisioned Starfleet as being composed entirely
->of officers with no "enlisted personnel".  Obviously some of
->the officers are very junior and take orders from the more senior
->ones; but Gene apparently did not want his ideal future quasi-
->military organization to preserve the current-day social
->distinctions between officers and enlisted.

There is, at least, one canon enlisted man on TNG.  Simon Tarsis in
"Drumhead", a medical tech, admitted that he did not become an officer 
because it would expose his Romulan grandfather.
From: kiemschies@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ... an English-speaking Universe
Date: 31 Dec 92 13:55:49 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics


In article <SKLEPZI.24.0@SSB1.SAFF.UTAH.EDU>, SKLEPZI@SSB1.SAFF.UTAH.EDU (Steven Klepzig) writes:
> In article <1992Dec29.110624.544@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>>[...]
>>If there is such a device [universal translator] in the combadges, it isn't 
>>mentioned in the Technical Manual.  This is still OK for whenever they have
>>contact with the ship because then the badge can send back and get 
>>translations from the ship's computer, but what about when the ship and
>>team get cut off from each other?
> 
> Don't know.  What brought this to mind was Kirk's comment in STVI (just 
> after getting inside the mine) about the uinversal translator 
> being confiscated.  I thought perhaps the Federation had developed something 
> similar to the little device in "The Last Starfighter".  But, upon 
> reflection, he must have been referring to the cute little things Kirk & 
> McCoy were holding at their trial.
> 
> I would think that a small universal translator would be a high priority for 
> development, given the number of races encountered around the universe.  
> Either that or lots of language classes.  :-)
> 
> Steve
There was a ST_TOS book (My Enemy My Ally) they used a subcutaneous universal
translator, but I know the books are not law, and a show or a movie can overide
them.
                                                  ----Ollie
From: pmichals@teal.csn.org (Paul Michals)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Date: 3 Jan 93 03:13:56 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
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margaret@cs.arizona.edu (Margaret Newman) writes:
: I keep seeing the theme of "replacement for Picard" if Stewart leaves.
: Jellico is, evidently, a nominee.  My stupid question:
: 
: Why wouldn't Riker assume captaincy of the Enterprise?  They've offered
: him ships before.  He has the experience, etc...  Why doesn't anyone
: mention him?  I probably missed something along the way.  Has he been
: disqualified? -maybe he has too much hair...
: 
: Thanks,
: 
: margaret


 This is pure speculation but taking into account various hints dropped by
 TNG people it looks to me that next season we will see Riker promoted to
 Captain and Data to Commander. They will get away with this by promoting
 Picard to Commodore. He will stay aboard (nominally to supervise Riker) and
 will be a factor in a dozen or so episodes. This will enable the writers to
 open things up a bit and will give Patrick Stewart time to do other things
 (like non ST movies). BTW the Official TNG Tech Manual has designated the
 Commodore rank as 5 solid pips (in anticipation perhaps of the promotion?)

 pmichals@csn.org
From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A Good Captain
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:14:23 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <BzHI9H.CKp@fiu.edu> aaron@fiu.edu  (aaron) writes:
>
>And the captain of the _Yorktown_, also in IV, was Vijay Armitraj, who is
>an Indian national I believe . . .
>

A tennis star, too, if I remember correctly.



-- 
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Department of Astronomy                              Phillips Laboratory/GPOB
Boston Univerity		                                  Hanscom AFB
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 17:12:01 GMT

In <16B49DED4.YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>   I'm sorry, but there is something about Jane Fonda's self-importantness,
>sanctimonious preaching, and downright hypocracy which really gets me.

Are you sure it's not just that she's married to the owner of the (GACK!)
Atlanta Braves? :-)

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
( Now in the Boston, Massachusetts area! )

    "What about you, Captain?" Krill asked.  "Do you seek death, or do you
run away from it?
    "Neither," Kiroth answered.  "Death seeks me.  It will find me in time.  
To run is simply a waste of energy.  To embrace death is sheer madness.  I 
await death.  When it comes, I will be ready."
    "To fight, or to flee?"
    Kiroth looked at his XO with barely contained horror.  "To die."
		- "Escape From The Holdfast", by Jim Hart; Captain's Log #8
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From: eamon@netcom.com (Charles E Taggart)
Subject: Re: Why Data has white face
Summary: This is why ...
Keywords: data skin colour
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 09:33:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec27.125302.1156@mala.bc.ca> dunae@mala.bc.ca writes:
>In article <3595@voodoo.UUCP>, larry@shiva.ca.boeing.com (Larry Miller) writes:
>> Why is it that in 500 years they're still building androids that do not
>> look human? Do you think if Data ever gets the *emotion* chip from his 
>> brother, that he might inexplicably turn into a more *human* looking color?
>> 
>> It's always bugged me!
>>  
>	Data has a white face because: There is no blood circulating
>				       To distinguish him
>				       To make ST:TNG more interesting
>

Actually, Data's skin is gold/yellow ...

The reason is this:  when Dr. Soong originally created Data, he made him
look completely human, with proper skin colour.

In fact, he looked =too= human, and this freaked out the colonists on
whatever planet they were living on at the time.

The colonists insisted that Soong change Data's appearance so that he'd
look like an android and not a person.

Chuck

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From: cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Tasha Yars daughter
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:09:58 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Dec23.161351.11508@erenj.com+ mbaker@erenj.com (Michael Baker) writes:
+I am curious to know about something.  I recently say a STNG show with Tasha Yars
+daughter, who happens to be Romulan.  It was suggested in the show that Picard
+sent her back from the future to some time in the past where she was captured by
+Romulans.  While she was in the past, she apparently stayed tehre and mothered
+this Romulan child.  How could she have gone to the past on Picards orders when
+we all saw her killed?  Does anyone have any idea how this got by??? Maybe just
+something to think about.

Oh boy, Michael are you gonna get it!  You better start donning your
asbestos underwear now.  The answers to the questions you ask are all
covered in the episode "Yesterday's Enterprise", which is a consensus
favorite.  Stand by to be roundly flamed as an ignorant idiot!  (Some
people on the net have NO MERCY).

Tim  :-)
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From: wallich@ncd.com (Ken Wallich)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: ST:DSN The Emissary **SPOILERS**
Date: 31 Dec 92 04:40:31 GMT
Reply-To: wallich@ncd.com (Ken Wallich)
Distribution: usa

Well, I just finished watching the tape I made earlier today of the
first feed.  A few spoilers follow, but I'm not going to review it in
depth, or tell the whole story.  You should just watch the show if you
want to know what happens.

Firstly, this puppy obviously cost a lot of bucks.  As far as special
effects and props and makeup, I'd bet they spend more than either of
the last two Star Trek movies did just for this pilot.  The special
effects are what we've come to expect from ST:TNG.  Generally
spectacular, inventive and all in all just plain cool.  You might
think that a story based around a space station that can't move very
far wouldn't be all that interesting special effects-wise.  Well they
fixed that with the introduction of a space-based anomaly which will
assure lots of visting starships and lots of cool takeoffs that will
rival the 'ol warp jump.  

Lots of cool ships, a great Borg flashback scene with much blasting
and explosions.  More of that cool Cardassian 'Swamp Thing' make up,
lots of Bejorian nose jobs, some pointy ears, a walrus/slug kinda
dude, and one of those worm host folks (this one's a science officer
or somthing).  We have a commander of color, and a female head
administrator.  Most of the senior staff are female (except for
O'Brien, who is actually one of the least interesting, and worst acted
characters in the premere).  Of interest to T2 fans will be the
constable, who while obviously more "valuable" than his predecessor
(that is long as gold is still more valuable than silver :-), will
remind folks of the slippery dude our 'ol buddy Arnie toasted.  I
think we may tire of him quickly, if he has as much to do as he did in
this show, but it's kinda cool for a while.  Perhaps the worst thing
is we are inflicted with Ferrengi who are obviously going to be
permanent residents.  There goes the neigborhood.

The acting was good, the story wasn't bad, certainly better than the
last 2 ST:TOS movies.  I don't know if it can continue, but I'll give
it a shot.  The commander is a good actor.  He's no Patrick Stewart, I
new Patrick Stewart.  Patrick Stewart was a friend of mine.  This
guy's no Patrick Stewart.  He's a single parent, which will make
Quayle upset, but perhaps we can get him and Murphy Brown together.

Well, that's about it.  This is certainly better than "Encounter at
Farpoint".  I'm hoping these folks can take where they've gotten
ST:TNG and carry it forward here.  Linear time will tell (you gotta
see the show).

Oh yeah, we do get *one* stupid holodeck scene (and are forced to see
it several times throughout the show), but the space station was built
by the Cardiassions, so we should be saved any nightclub shows with
mock tuba playing by any of the cast members.  And NO WESTERNS!.

Ken








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From: jblackwo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (J P Blackwood)
Subject: Re: Ah HA! (Or why do federation phasers always hit their target)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:59:15 GMT

Wouldn't you think that a phaser could shine a nice bright red dot on its
target? Who could miss? (don't give me any of this moving target . phaser beams
go at light speed and a finger can move a millimeter faster than any target
I've seen can dodge.)

-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
J.P.
email: Blackwood.1@osu.edu

"The rule which forbids ending a sentence with a preposition is one up with 
which I will not put."
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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: "what about our OTHER friends" (minimal spoiler)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:04:57 GMT
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In <1h73tdINNac0@transfer.stratus.com> det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland) writes:


>There is, however, a spy in Starfleet, highly enough placed that
>he or she was able to transmit highly detailed personnel records on
>Picard to the Cardassians.  I think it unlikely they will be able
>to ferret out the spy, at least at this time.

Not necessarily a spy.  Could be just elint.
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Wow! So many new SF shows!
Date: 29 Dec 92 04:49:03 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1992Dec28.162849.21886@sx.mont.nec.com> ynecelc@s1w3.sx.mont.nec.com (Ellison Chan) writes:
<Hmm...there seems to be a whole lot of new shows
<for us this season. Looks like they're starting
<to figure out who's got money to spend.
<
<NBC: Deep Space Nine
<CBS: Space Rangers
<
<Regarding the last show, Space Rangers (SR).
<How come I haven't heard too many things about it?
<
<There's one alien which appears in the commercial for SR that
<looks like a Cardasian. Anyone know whether the show is related
<to Star Trek or produced by Paramount?
<
<Oh, one last thing:
<
<Is DSN running on NBC everywhere else?(It is in Montreal.)
<Since TNG is on ABC(in MTL), competition between the networks 
<will make both shows much more interesting.(IMHO)

Both TNG and DS9 are syndicated.  They are NOT on any network.  Repeat after
me, many times, they are NOT on any network.
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From: major@shuksan (Mike Schmitt)
Subject: Re: Troi is capable of wearing a uniform (SPOILERS)
Organization: Man Machine Systems Technology
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:31:13 GMT

 
: Here in the 24th century, we have done away with such things as greed,
: poverty, racism, money, and military protocol.


  Actually, all the episodes have displayed military protocol to a high
  degree.  Gives me a warm fuzzy feeling that even in the 24th century there
  will be order and discipline in the world.

  Even in a TV Show.


  



 
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are protected by the 1st Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of
America.  No mission too difficult, no sacrifice too great.  Duty first. 

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