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From: dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Somethings wrong... Not quite right....
Date: 11 Sep 1992 21:26:18 GMT
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In article <18qonjINNifo@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, brenda@wpi.WPI.EDU (brenda) writes:
> 
> i did a money attracting spell a week ago... 
> it was herbally inclined if you know what i mean...
> i put herbs like high john, lavender, etc. and 3 silver pieces (dimes) in a 
> green cloth and tied it... all the while focusing on money...
> 
> well, so far i am about $70 into debt...  i think maybe i was concentrating
> on my money problems instead of cash coming to me.  are there any other reasons
> this worked out reverse?  can i correct this, or should i just practice and
> try again all over?

Maybe it's your follow up.  Did you do anything real world to work with your
money problems?  What I would do is work on my budget before I broke the
circle I made the money bag in.  Think about the money you have coming in
and the money you have going out and think which one you need to work on.
Then do something about it - re-write your resume, ask for more hours at
work, or work on your discipline when you pass the bookstore or the dress
shop.  Don't expect money to drop out of the sky.

I don't consider this a cynical, un-magical approach at all.  When I've 
just completed a ritual I'm in a perfect frame of mind to consider what
fat to cut out of the budget - I get ideas that I may not get if I was 
just sitting over my desk biting my lip over the bills.  Also, carrying
that little green bag is a terrific way to remind yourself to pass the
jewelry counter without coveting those rose quartz earrings.  But you
have to do the whole work, not just the fun part.

Dawn
"Oh, Time!  Of all the dwellers here below 
You only elevate buffoons or fools,
Or him whose anus as an inkstand serves."
The Perfumed Garden of the Shaykh Nefzawl, translated by Sir Richard F. Burton
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From: jasonp@cunix4.Prime.COM (Jason R. Pascucci)
Subject: Re: Teenagers
Keywords: Post Critique
Organization: Prime Computer, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:41:07 GMT

(In parens is my commentary to Tammy, and a few others, on how
to avoid getting too much of a reaction from a post, in my opinion.
Of course, these suggestions are to be reversed if the intent was
to get people's cockle's (sp?) up on the form and method
of the post, rather than the content.  The unparenthesized text is my response 
to the content.)_

In article <14SEP199221430828@rosie.uh.edu>, lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
> Someone made the comment that teenagers, as a group, are usually
> acting some psycho-dramatic melodrama (I believe that was the
> phrase) when reporting things like psychic attack and the like.

(Adequate preamble, it gives me a good idea of what the post will be like.)

> Remember, whether or not this is true, the event is still all too

(Good start: assure people you are as falliable as they are.)

> real to them.  Treat them with the same respect you would give
> someone your own age reporting the same thing.  Give them advice,

(Exhorting the reader to an action will not endear you to some part of the
readership, such as myself...my suggestion, Tammy, is to 'lead by example' 
in your writing.)

Depending on the way it's presented, I might very well smash their heads 
(figuratively, of course) up against the Brick Wall of Reality, 
or just smile and nod my head, or do any of a number of things,
such as I feel at the time. 

> support them.  Let them work out their own problems, but give them
> the tools to do it with.  You and they will be better for the 
> experience.

(More emphatic and exhortative statements...tsk.)

A Reading from the Liber Al Vel Legis sub figura CCXX as
delivered by XCIII = 418 to DCLXVI:

The gross must pass through fire; let the fine be tried in intellect,
and the lofty chosen ones in the highest. 

Amen. Aum. gn. 

> 
> Tammy

-- 
Jason R. Pascucci
jasonp@primerd.prime.com

(Okay, this isn't mine...it is the chorus to an old Irish song, entitled
'Black Velvet Band', and the second verse is the chorus my father made up, 
which had me (at 10 years of age) nigh-passed out on the floor of a bar, 
on St. Patty's Eve, from laughing. I honestly didn't think he'd do
it.)

And her eyes, they glowed like diamonds...
You'd swear she was queen of the land...
And her hair fell over her shoulder,
Tied up with a Black Velvet Band!

And her eyes, glowed like stolen diamonds...
you know she's no friend of the pope...
and her hair fell out from her armpits,
tied up with a big yellow rope!

:)

(Hey! They can't all be gems of wisdom...)
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From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: Re: Shielding
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:35:00 +0000

amanda@INTERCON.COM (Amanda Walker) writes...

>So, does anyone else out there use tensor calculus as a magical
>tool?

Only when there is absolutely no alternative :-)



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From: joshua@coombs.anu.edu.au (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: Necromancy
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date:  7 Sep 92 14:31:16 GMT

amanda@INTERCON.COM (Amanda Walker) writes:

>The only extensive alleged use of necromancy that I know of in recent times 
>was during the spiritualist/mediumist revival in the 1800s (though it has 
>been around in one form or another for most of human history in one form or 
>another).  Voudoun and Santeria may also use it, but I am not familiar enough
>with either to make any firm claims about them.

the one santera of my intimate aquaintace did practice an odd form of
necromancy (if practice is the right word here) in that she would once
in a while be involuntrily ridden by a 17th century african wizard .  he
was a loa (I don't remember the sateria term; my friend wouldn't discuss
it. she didn't like what was happening and in fact was scared of it) who
happened to be a dead guy who had been promoted.

I have a theory that old mediterranean religion was very similar to modern
west african traditional religion (and in fact that there was either a lot
of communication between the mediterranean and west africa, or some
migration between the two, or both).

robert graves and others have written some on this.

josh
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: nathan@kepler.uucp (25685-justus)
Subject: Re: authors not Crowley
Reply-To: nathan@kepler.UUCP (25685-justus,nathan d)
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 17:53:48 GMT

In article <Bu8K9M.JFJ@acsu.buffalo.edu> v085r6qm@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Erin D Markle) writes:
>
>
>                 |||| David Conway ||||
>Has anyone read his THE MAGIC OF HERBS? Is it useful as a 
>reference source for recipes? Also, has anyone read, MAGIC: AN 
>OCCULT PRIMER? I haven't tried the rituals, but I was wondering
>if someone else has, and to what effect.
>
> I'm getting kicked off the phone line now,
>                                         Friend of Erin


In speaking to Marian Green this summer (she's the author of several
books such as Experiments in Aquarian Magic, and other Mystery trad
related stuff) she felt that there were some errors in the book.

I don't know.  I haven't tried it.  But I do respect her work
and find it very accurate and no-nonsense.

Just my $.02.

Nathan 
------------
Nathan Justus
Bellcore, Piscataway NJ USA
nathan@monolith.bellcore.com

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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Spirit in the house, and parents won't listen...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 07:26:33 GMT

uphrrmk@Msu.oscs.montana.edu (Me) writes:
: In article <JOSHUA.92Sep9102342@bailey.cpac.washington.edu>, joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) writes:

: >>   that anyone else who is sensitive can feel.  The only examples of his
: >>   work in the mundane world are things that are basically pranks, but of
: >>   the sort that my parents are blaming the three kids in the house (my 
: >>   sisters and I).  
: >
: >you might tell us what this 'spirit' is doing. 
: >
: >josh

: DEAR JOSH..... Quite frankly, I think you're being an ass.  YOU might not see

So what. There is a very high probability that he is also correct.

: anything, because your mind won't let you see anything.  Just because you
: haven't been pelted with books doesn't mean that ghosts, spirits, etc. are all
: in the mind of other people.(though with a few people, it may well be.)

: Quite often, if you don't believe in something, you won't see it, and therefore 
: be insensitive to those of us who do see critters and have to deal with them.
: If you don't work with/ believe in magick, then why in all the names of the
: Gods, are you bothering to be a sarcastic git on this newsnet?  Get on the
: philosophy net, and stop wasting your energy being cruel to Magickers with
: problems...

Funny. The few people who have shown what appears to be a real knowledge of
magic have never seemed to complain about all sorts of attacking "things"
that are out to get them.  Maybe they just learned long ago to control such
unwanted intrusions of their psyche.

:    As for the "spirit" problem... I find that Sweet Basil, sprinkled around the 
: perimeter of any room and put on the windowsills, is an effective way to get
: rid of unwanted beasties without burning candles or annoying parents.  Just
: crush it in your hands,(all herbshops carry basil, root around in your mom's 
: spice rack) and scatter it in unobtrusive places, and the outside of the house.
: (It's an old Celtic/gypsy recipe.)

Such things can be nice for piece of mind, that is true. Whether they do much
else except make the house smell nice is debatable. 

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: jwi@world.std.com (Jazzman)
Subject: Chaos Magick & Boston MA groups
Keywords: Chaos Magick
Organization: Nexus
Distribution: alt.magick
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:24:38 GMT

Hi,
I'm relatively new to Magick, having recently been submerged reading
books on Magick, Chaos Magick, Satanism, etc.

I'm at a point of some confusion...In fact I'm not even sure how to
state my problem.  Its like-- I've read books, read newsgroup
postings, tried exercises suggested in the books, but....

I sense something in me has changed.  Or perhaps its the way I am now
perceiving this world.  I feel as though my involvement with Magick is
like a puzzle where I've gathered together all of the pieces but now
must start putting them together in a coherent manner.  

I guess talking with someone might help, given the stage I'm in; in
person or through email.
Hence the title of my posting: Groups in Boston, MA.  Can anybody
refer me to groups in the Boston area that would be willing to take a
neophyte like myself under their wing and provide me with some
direction?

Thanks in advance for any help

Newbie John
From: malcolmc@spider.co.uk (Malcolm Campbell)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Shields
Date: 10 Sep 92 11:30:29 GMT
	<83950136@otter.hpl.hp.com> <1992Sep10.091039.19059@spider.co.uk>
	<25696@castle.ed.ac.uk>
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK

In article <25696@castle.ed.ac.uk> loki@castle.ed.ac.uk (A Kashko) writes:
   malcolmc@spider.co.uk (Malcolm Campbell) writes:
  >I visualise an oak door with thousands of protruding spines and thorns, then
  >visualise any attack as the attacker pounding at the door bare-handed.. Its
  >not a fluffy-bunny technique, but it works.. if you can handle allowing your
  >attacker to injure themselves..
  
	   Why not nest defences, a transformative layer, followed by
   a ring of barbed wire, (permeable to the blessings the first layer 
   has let through), followed by a mirror that reflects malevolence,
   followed by a strong block/grounding of malevolent energy.


I do normally nest defenses... thorns around a solid barrier, around a
total disbelief that anything can get through that..

Normally, the latter defense of disbelief is sufficient..

--- Malcolm
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From: harish.reddy@factory.com (Harish Reddy)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: LOOKING FOR OTO MEMBERS
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:13:00 GMT
Reply-To: harish.reddy@factory.com (Harish Reddy)
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis

TO: jasonk@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca

Hello. My name is Harish Reddy, and I am just beginning my journy and am
very interested in finding out as much as I can.

..Enter the void wherin eternity lies..
From: shava@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Shava Nerad Averett)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Necromancy
Date: 8 Sep 92 00:56:01 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

In article <JOSHUA.92Sep3101506@bailey.cpac.washington.edu> joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) writes:
>Dee did exactly none of his experiments in graveyards. what
>happened was that edward kelley and some third person were doing some 'black
>mgick' (demonology as opposed to necromancy). when dee found out about this
>he became very upset and made kelley promise to stop.


Someone thought that they did.  I have a book on astrology which includes
what looks like a period etching of Dee and Kelley in a multiply inscribed
pentacle in the middle of a graveyard, calling on the spirits of the dead.

The gentlemen themselves might not have done so, but their reputation 
appears to have been expansive.  Why should this surprise anyone...?
-- 
Shava Nerad Averett				shava_averett@unc.edu
/*  all materials (c)1992, Shava Nerad Averett, and have nothing significant
    to do with the University of North Carolina, a mostly owned subsidiary 
    of the NC Legislature, a mostly owned subsidiary of the DOT.      */
From: Michael_Lee@sorinc.UUCP (Michael Lee)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Another Crowley question
Distribution: world
Date: 1 Sep 92 09:04:41 PDT
Organization: Shades of Reality BBS - Medford, Oregon

In a message dated Tue  1 Sep 92  5:07, Tagi@cup.portal.com (tagi Mordred N
wrote:

 TMN> Any talk about 'karmic responsibilities' flies in the face of all
 TMN> competent writings I've seen regarding Thelemic ethics (of which
 TMN> there are 
 TMN> relatively few).

Ya know, after thinking about this for awhile, I don't believe we're that
far apart.  Here's why...

When the Will chooses a course of action, that Will is taking
responsibility for the consequences of that action.  Thelema seems to be
concerned not with the consequences, but with the action itself.  We're all
big boys and girls.  The consequences may be positive or negative, but the
responsibility of choosing and action which results in a positive
consequence is left up to the individual.

Karma, on the other hand, simply refers to the notion that _all_ actions
have positive or negative consequences.  These consequences may or may not
manifest themeselves on the physical plane or even during the current cycle
of things, but they will manifest themeselves in some way eventually.

I suppose the reason Karma hasn't played to much a role in Thelema
commentary is that there is an implicit assumption that intelligent,
reasoning humans, when confronted with informed choices will make the one
which brings about the positive consequences.  And if s/he doesn't, well
it's their own damn fault.

At this point is where we probably diverge.  The reason's for this
divergence is because quite a lot of times your actions affect me directly
(the "you" and "me" in this instance are simply generalities).  In effect,
all action is connected.  If this is the case, then Karma, not Thelema, is
the dominant concept.  (something to chew on)


 TMN> Response:

 TMN> My concept of Thelema is a bit different than the above.  The
 TMN> Thelemite
 TMN> recognizes no 'right and wrong' OTHER than hir own feelings, and
 TMN> there
 TMN> is no 'answering' involved except the acceptance of any consequences
 TMN> of
 TMN> hir actions which may come to pass.  If these consequences turn out
 TMN> to
 TMN> be overly painful, she will take this into account when faced with
 TMN> similar circumstances in the future.

Let's put "right" and "wrong" in perspective.  You talk of consequences. 
Both of a positive nature and a negative one.  I submit that "right" is
nothing more than the action that achieves positive consequences.  "Wrong"
is just the opposite.  The key now is labeling what is a positive
consequence and what is a negative one.  I believe karma supplies this
answer.  Positive and negative is only relevant as it apllies to the
universe as a whole.


The Truth is not fragile.


Michael

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

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From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: Spirit in the house, and parents won't listen...
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 23:39:58 GMT


In article <lashabINN1d6@aludra.usc.edu> eburke@aludra.usc.edu (Kethry) writes:

>   Why Josh, aren't we the cynical ones today.  I wouldn't post anything
>   based on psychological problems because that's not what this board is 
>   about.  I have had my suspicions well confirmed by a number of people,
>   and not just that one friend...A number means about four or five people.
>   And guess what...I didn't have to talk about it first to any of them...
>   They brought it up on their own saying such things as "Do you realize
>   that there is a male spirit in here...Is it driving you nuts, too?"

have you even attempted to confirm this by any objective means?

>   I also love the fact that you think I am nuts...I don't think so...As for
>   people out there trying to get me.  I don't beleive that there is anything
>   or anyperson out to get me.  It's setting residence in my house, and I 
>   think it's because of some of the things that my sister does because of
>   some of HER mild beleifs.  I also never said that I was special, and I 
>   don't think that I am, in fact never did.  So why don't you get off your
>   high horse of super-cynicism and try thinking that *strange* things may 
>   actually be out there. 

I do think it possible that strange things are actually out there. if they
are out there, they will bear some kind of proof besides 'my feelings or my
friends feelings'. 

>   Also, if we are going to continue this train of thought, then why don't
>   we do it over private e-mail so that we don't  bore other readers...

I don't think anyone is bored yet. 

josh
From: eddie@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Edward M. Averett)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: The pentagram
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:06:14 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

In article <Bu8wnu.1uM@acsu.buffalo.edu> v085r6qm@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Erin D Markle) writes:
[a short qabalistic style analysis of 666]. 

Keep up the good work.  You have started down the wonderful path of qabalism.
The important part of this work is in the exercise of your brain.   Since
everything is equivalent to everything else in the universe, the differentiaion
that your brain makes between things and your ability to get from one to the
other via certain paths is key to this kind of work.  If you are interested 
in the number here, you might try several different books on kabbalah, and you
may evenually end up writing up your own table of correspondences as olde 
A.C. did in his "777, The Qabalah of Aleister Crowley".  Have fun. 

I also see no problem in your trying to develop yourself magically with Christ
in the picture.  He's as good a prophet as anyone, and there are a good number
of mysteries associated with him.  Careful examination from a Judeo-Christian
perspective will yield much light to you.  I note a potential tendency on your
part to perhaps assume that there are places you can't go without him, however,
and I do caution you to keep your mind and options open.  Also, I will enjoy
discussing topics with you more if you do keep at least the appearance of 
keeping your options open. .-) 

I will plug R.A. Wilson's "The Earth Will Shake" to you as a good book to read
that may indicate some topics of examination for your studies.  Good luck. 

				-eddie@legba.oit.unc.edu, A.F.A.M
				
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From: lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Subject: Re: Spirit in the house, and parents won't listen...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 23:23:00 GMT

In article <lasglkINNsvn@aludra.usc.edu>, eburke@aludra.usc.edu (Kethry) writes...
> 
>Thanks for the advice.  As for ignoring it, I do and it goes away, and
>then when I completely forget about it, it comes back....
> 
>I'll try the air permeable/spirit impermeable material...to do this I
>just believe that it is what I want while I am making it, right?
> 
>Thanks...
> 
>Bright Blessings,
>Kethry
> 
> 
> 

A friend of mine did it this way.  Remember the episode of
star trek with the empath?  The crew was surround by this
force wall that everytime they tried to go through it it
got stronger.  My friend put this up around herself only 
in reverse.  Instead of her trying to get out she tuned it
to trying to get in.  Anything with INTENT to get in attempting
to get in would only strengthen the protection.  Air and such,
which has no consciousness, could flow through freely.

It worked for her.

Tammy
From: harish.reddy@factory.com (Harish Reddy) 
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: MAGIK
Date: 7 Sep 92 03:19:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: harish.reddy@factory.com (Harish Reddy) 

Does anyone have a 'spell or a mantr that I msy lesrn to furthrt my
brlef?
      Still hopefull(enternity snd the eternal circle)
From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: empathic links
Date: 14 Sep 92 10:53:48 GMT
	<1992Sep13.231943.6119@samba.oit.unc.edu> <-6xnv=l.friday@netcom.com>
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science


In article <-6xnv=l.friday@netcom.com> friday@netcom.com (Carol Anne Ogdin) 
writes:

   IMO, links, when they exist, seem to be independent of distance (at least
   on this planet!)  Does anybody recall the experiments in WWII with mother
   rabbit on land, while baby rabbit was sacrificed aboard a submarine--and 
  they found an EEG synchronicity?  Or what about the IEEE-reported studied 
  about 15 20 years ago that posited some of these effects are related to 
 certain sub  atomic particles' behaviors?

references?

especially to the first, I think I would have heard of the first.

josh
From: cranmer@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Thoughtography (was ...live studio audience, etc.)
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:54:46 GMT

spb0457@zeus.tamu.edu (SubGenius) writes...

> In addition to the usual loonyness (UFOs, Big Foots, floating Maharishis
> u.s.w.), there was an interesting bit about some lad who allegedly could
> make images appear on film with some sort of SCARY MAGICKAL MENTAL POWER.
> [lots deleted...]

I've seen this on TV in 2 places:  on an old 'In Search Of' (with good ol'
Leonard Nimoy), and on 'Arthur C. Clarke's World of Strange Powers', or
whatever it's called.

On the latter program, it was revealed that most (if not all) of the
successful attempts at 'thought-ography' by this person occurred when he
was holding a 'thought focuser' up to his forehead.  This focuser was a
small tube with - what do you know - a small bit of film inside with the
picture of what he was trying to 'focus'!!

It also helped that he was drunk, and passed the bottle around to all the
'objective' observers in the room.
____________________________________________________________________________
   "Hold your fire -- Keep it burning bright..."

                                  Steve Cranmer
                                  cranmer@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
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