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From: ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: What does Magnum mean?
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:59:07 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Sep28.120627.22022@email.tuwien.ac.at> holger@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Holger Reusch (Dipl. Gerhard + Joe)) writes:
#In order not to be
#interchanged with regular .38 ammo (and to accomodate the bigger powder
#charge), the cartridge case was made longer than .38 Special cases.
#The cartridge was called ".357 Magnum", with .357 reflecting the bullet
#diameter (in principle the same as for .38 Special, the ".38" must have
#been a marketing hype :-).

I think the .38 was the CASE diameter.  In black powder days, the 
bullet was a .36 calibre.  When they went to cartridges, they called
the early ones by the case diameter, .38 for example.  Then came the
move to the .357 magnum which went back to bullet diameter and added
a didgit of precision ...  This is just a poor memory of something
I read years and years ago, so I could have it all messed up ...

#Have I got it right?  _Cartridges of the World_ owners will doubtlessly
#have still more interesting things to say about Magnum cartridges.

And about the many and sundry ways that cartridges are named.  Bullet
diameter.  Case diameter.  Bullet diameter/black powder charge.  Bullet
diameter/year of design.  Bullet diameter/inventor.  Bullet diameter/
case length.  Bullet diameter/gun vendor.  Bullet diameter/gun type ...

.32 .38 .44/40  .30/'06  .257 Roberts .22 Long .45 COLT .45 Automatic
Colt Pistol (.45 ACP)  ...

-- 

E. Michael Smith  ems@apple.COM

'Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it.  Boldness has
 genius, power and magic in it.'  -  Goethe

I am not responsible nor is anyone else.  Everything is disclaimed.
From: forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Lee Load-Master: Is it any good?
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:23:40 GMT
Organization: gte

In article <root02700920827102150@hland.nullnet.fi>, root@hland.nullnet.fi (Timo Tuomi) writes:
# Hi all,
# 
#  I'm about to begin handloading (caliber .38 Special, .357 Mag) and going
#  to buy a progressive realoder. I have two brand to chhose from:
#  Dillon RL 550 B and Lee Load-Master. The dealer who sells Dillons says to
#  me: 'Don't buy Lee, it's no good', and the one who sells Lee says: 'Don't
#  buy THAT Dillon, it's old, go ahead and buy Lee'.
#  Lee Load-Master is over 40% cheaper than Dillon RL 550 B, and Lee is
#  auto-indexing etc. But is Lee any good?
#  So, I'd like to hear some opinions and facts about both of these reloaders.
# 
#  I'll post a summary later.
# 
# Thanks in advance,
#         Timo Tuomi
# 

Try asking about their product warranties.  Isn't it Dillon that guarantees
their product for life (it breaks, they fix, no questions asked)??

If one is warranted for a year and the other for life, guess which one
will cost you less in the long term.

-- 
"25 States allow anyone to buy a gun, strap it on, and walk down the street with
no permit of any kind: some say it's crazy.  However, 4 out of 5 US murders are 
committed in the other half of the country: so who is crazy?"   -  Andrew Ford
gtephx!forda@enuucp.eas.asu.edu  OR  !uunet!samsung!romed!enuucp!gtephx!forda
From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Are there restrictions on carry in public places
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:41:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: chpc.1992Sep30.140752.15371
Organization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma

#It is a violation of Federal Laws to trannsport a firearm into any federally
#insured buildings. This means any banks, post offices, federal court houses,
                                   ^^^^^

Federal buildings are indeed "prohibitied areas", however, I am not aware of 
any law extenting the prohibition to federally insured buildings.

Could you please cite a specific law extending the prohibition to banks?

[MODERATOR: And off line too, or in t.p.g.  This has started as an 
informational thread, but I see us dragging this out a little long
on themes probably better suited for the other forum.  Thanks much....]
From: kmarko@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Kurt Marko)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Advice Wanted:  CC
Date: 26 Sep 92 15:38:46 GMT
Organization: none really

In article > kmarko@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Kurt Marko) writes:
#
#Time to appeal for some more net wisdom.  I'd like to get another
#handgun to do double duty as both highly portable weapon suitable for
#concealed carry, defense use; yet also be somewhat fun and accurate to
#shoot on the range.  I hope these aren't conflicting desires.  My
#thoughts are running along the following lines:

Thanks for the e-mail (and net) responses so far, but based on their
content I think I should clarify.  The _primary_ purpose for this
gun is carrying, so small is good...but, I have big hands, so too
small is not good, and I'd like to halfway enjoy firing it so I can
get a little practice with it.  This is not my only gun, nor the
primary source of my targeting practice.  So, with that in mind, and
after a little more thought on my part, I'm considering the following:

* .38spl or .357 Magnum snub nose (2").  Should be an excellent
  defense weapon (especially the .357), but not necessarily accurate
  or controllable (again, especially the .357...ouch).  Unfortunately,
  I'm partial to SA's.

* 9mm, 40SW or .45 compact.  I'm not sure if anyone makes something in
  one of these as small as a snubby revolver, but I took a quick look
  at the Firestar and it might fit the bill (plus, these are supposed
  to be pretty accurate for a compact).  The S&W 3913 (Ladysmith) also
  looks nice for a CC gun.

* .380.  Certainly the most compact defense SA, but after trying a few
  out, most are just too small for my hand.  The Walther PPK fits okay
  (a tad tight), but I'm still unsure about this cartridge.  I might
  look at a Beretta 84 also, but I'm currently leaning to something a
  tad bigger.

So, I guess my real decision is whether to go for a snub revolver, or
try and find a compact SA that is a good compromise between size and
`strength'.

Keep those cards and letters coming. :)

Kurt Marko
From: rwb@borg.VI.RI.CMU.EDU (Robert Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: .38 cleaning brush for 9mm?
Date: 27 Sep 92 11:28:05 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon


Can a .38 cleaning brush (Hoppes) be used to clean a 9 MM?
From: vanetten@unix.cie.rpi.edu (John S. Van Etten)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: S&W M1006 vs. M4006
Date: 6 Oct 92 11:16:53 GMT

I have been looking at the Smith & Wesson M1006 stainless steel autoloader
in some of my reference books and noticed that it has a 9-round magazine.
The same book shows that the M4006 in .40 S&W has an 11-round magazine.
What gives?  We all know that the .40 "Short and Wimpy" is the same diameter
as the 10mm, and can be fired in it.  So why does the M1006 hold two less
rounds?  Is it because they're heavier and the springs can't handle it?  I'm
confused...

If anyone can shed some light on this for me, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks,
John

--
******************************************************************************
               John S. Van Etten     vanetten@unix.cie.rpi.edu
       Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute  1000 MIPS GaAs F-RISC Project
       --"If sand didn't irritate oysters, there would be no pearls"--
From: bbice@nmt.edu (Brent Bice)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Thompson/Center Arms rifles
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:30:56 GMT
Organization: New Mexico Tech


   I just picked up a catalog for Thompson/Center Arms, and saw their
TCR Deluxe Model sporting rifle (with a set trigger).  I've got a
contender in .223 and love it, but I was wondering if anyone can tell
me about their rifles.  How do they compare (for accuracy) with, say,
a Remington bolt action?  Specifically, does anyone have one of
their rifles in .308 or .300 Win Mag. or mebbe .375 H&H?  Is the fit
and finish on their rifles as good as it is on the Contender?

Brent Bice
bbice@jupiter.nmt.edu
From: stur@TIS.COM (Jeff Sturgess)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Hoppe's 9 & cleaning fluids
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:58:09 GMT
Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc.



A friend of mine is a police officer and he told me a department wide memo
was sent out concerning the use of Hoppe's 9 cleaning fluids.  The memo 
recommended any officers currently using Hoppe's to change to an alternate
product.   Supposedly, Hoppe's 9 was found to cause some kind of health risk.

I don't drink the stuff, nor do I bathe in it so it could only get into my 
system through inhalation of the vapors.   Does anybody have any facts as to
whether or not the use of Hoppe's 9 is a health risk?   Thank you. 

Jeff
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Concealed Weapons Permit ( again.... )
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:30:59 GMT
Organization: The Cat Factory

In article <199209290353.AA21249@cherokee.advtech.uswest.com> kdlin@advtech.uswest.com (David Lin) writes:
}There is this company in Beaverton, Oregon, that advertized in Handguns
}and Guns and Ammo regarding obtaining CWPs in your state. They asked
}you to send SASE to them.
}
}I received their reply 2 months later, after I sent them the SASE. In this 
}reply, they asked me to send money to them to obtain booklets and/or tapes
}regarding how to apply CWP in my state ( Colorado now... ).
}
}Are there any of you guys who obtained their booklet before? If yes, was it
}helpful?

I'm not familiar with this particular outfit, but their offer sounds like
a minor variation on an old scam.  For some amount of money they send you
all the forms you could get from the government for free. (That's how they
got them).

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                   Turn the rascals out!
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483     No incumbents in '92!
Santa Monica, CA  90405
From: johno@sdd.hp.com (John Ongtooguk)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Proper Shooting Technique
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:40:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpsdlss3.1asimrINNr6s
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, San Diego Division

In article <9210060546.AA03246@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu>, raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man) writes:
|> 
|> In <ras.13@fred.niaid.pc.niaid.nih.gov>,
|> ras@fred.niaid.pc.niaid.nih.gov (Randy Stevens) asked:
|> #when do you pull the trigger-- when
|> #the lungs are full, partially empty, or empty?
|> 
|> Army training: Breath control = hold when lung is empty. Then
|> sight, then pull, then follow through.

   It's been awhile but as I recall the Marines teach you to check
   your breath with your lungs about half full. The reason is that 
   you're less likely to loose your sight picture due to your vision
   clouding up from a lack of oxygen and it also serves as a fine
   adjustment for position shooting. The training regimen probably
   changes on a regular basis but I do remember BRASS being drilled
   into all of us; Breath, Relax, Aim (aquire), Sight (picture), 
   and Squeeze. At first it was hard to remember to breathe during
   rapid fire, but after walking rounds off the paper once or twice
   you tend to remember.    

   John Ongtooguk (johno@sdd.hp.com)
From: kknox@logdis1.hq.aflc.af.mil (Kevin P. Knox)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Citizenship
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:19:38 GMT

You recently wrote to Rec.guns -

#I've never heard the letter requirement. I used to work for a gun shop
#part-time a few years back and the only requirements was that you not
#be an illegal alien and that you had identification with an in-state
#address. This may be a local requirement or a way to purchase without
#showing that you live within a particular state.

I  omitted the part about the letter from the  BATF  pubs
because  I didn't think applied,  but since there is some
conjecture, here is the rest of it.

**********************************************************

         Alternative(s) To The 90 Day Standard:

     a.  Handgun Purchase:  An alien who is in a State in
which  his embassy or consulate is located,  and who  has
been  authorized  in writing by the principal officer  of
the  embassy or consulate to purchase a handgun would  be
considered  a  resident  of that State  for  purposes  of
purchasing a handgun within that State, only;

     b. Longgun (Rifle or Shotgun) Purchase: An alien who
has  been authorized in writing by the principal  officer
of  his embassy or consulate to purchase a longgun  would
be  considered a resident of that State for  purposes  of
purchasing  a longgun from a licensee in that or  another
State.

     The  Federal  firearms  licensee is  to  attach  the
letter  of  authorization to the corresponding  completed
Form  4473  and  retain them as  part  of  the  permanent
records.

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From: kokerj@rpi.edu (James Matthew Kokernak)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Are there restrictions on carry in public places
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:58:23 GMT
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY

In article <1992Sep28.201242.16380@cbnews.cb.att.com> mvjh3@mvuxn.att.com (James M Hajjar) writes:
##From article <199209281440.AA21774@tbird.cc.bellcore.com>, by sykes@donner.cc.bellcore.com (sykes,michael):

## If you have been granted a permit to carry concealed weapons are there
## any places that you are not allowed to carry at all. (e.g. public places

#Good question!  I live in Massachusetts and personally know a person who
#was busted for carrying while in a building that served alcohol (bar).  The
#police took away his gun, and his permit to carry.  He later had the gun
#returned (damaged!!), but the pistol permit was revoked for good.  While I
#would never carry my pistol in a bar, I wonder if there are other places (in
#Mass.) where carrying a pistol could result in the loss of my permit to carry?
#
#
#Jim Hajjar
#AT&T Merrimack Valley Works
#North Andover, MA
#

Really? I live in MA also. What was the reason for issuing on his card? 
(Sporting and Target, Personnal Protection, All Lawful Purposes or
Restricted). The first three allow you to carry a firearm. The restricted
card often given east of I495 only allows you to carry to and from a range.
Sounds like the cops were being dickheads about the whole situation. The
only reason that I can see that they would revoke the card is for not carrying
in accordance to the reason of issuing...not a legal problem, that is you
won't go to jail. He should just reapply...my police friends tell me that 
you cannot be refused unless you are a felon or are mentally unwell.

--Jim
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: What does Magnum mean?
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:03:08 GMT
Organization: The Cat Factory

In article <1992Sep30.041315.29178@cs.umb.edu> dd@ra.cs.umb.edu (Dave Dunbrack) writes:
}  As someone else already noted, in handgun cartridges "magnum" usually
}means "longer and stronger". ...
}... the same cannot be
}said of the term "magnum" as applied to shotshells. In this case the term
}means the shell has more *shot* (not more powder) than a standard shell,
}and is generally longer by about 1/4".

In enquired about this point during an NRA shotgun course and was told
magnum shells have both more shot and more powder.  Does anyone have
spec sheets, or some other source of definitive facts, to settle
the question?

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                   Turn the rascals out!
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483     No incumbents in '92!
Santa Monica, CA  90405
From: tarl@lectroid.sw.stratus.com (Tarl Neustaedter)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: .308 PISTOL
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:57:23 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.


In article <9565.122.uupcb@cccbbs.UUCP>, cccbbs!bill.preuss@uceng.UC.EDU (Bill Preuss) writes:
# I am now told that I can't cut a rifle down to a pistol under
# the BATF rules and regulations - Something about barrel length and
# overall length of a rifle.

Don't even think of it.

If the firearm was originally shoulder-fired (i.e., it had a stock),
modification of it to a total length of less than 26 inches, or a
barrel length of less than 16 inches, constitutes manufacturing of
a short-barrelled rifle, a title II weapon.

Good for 10 years and $10,000 (taken from you, that is).

See public law 99-308, chapter 44, section 921, items (7) & (8). Or
publication ATF P-5300.4 (Your Guide to Federal Firearms Regulation),
in the first few pages (page 4 in my 1988-1989 copy).
-- 
         Tarl Neustaedter	tarl@sw.stratus.com
         Marlboro, Mass.	Stratus Computer
Disclaimer: My employer is not responsible for my opinions.
From: tcmaint@sail.labs.tek.com (-Broadband Network Maintenance)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: .38s lose oomph in a .357?
Date: 28 Sep 92 11:21:01 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.



Reloaders,

I have a question on relaoding equipment. I need a tool to
turn the necks of .308WCF cases as the neck walls are getting thick and 
causing higher pressure and chambering problems. 

What tools are recommended? 

Isn't there a low cost hand tool (made by Lee?) for doing this?

Thanks in advance,

--Bruce
From: dd@ra.cs.umb.edu (Dave Dunbrack)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re:  M1 Garand bayonet id, prices, etc.
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:04:36 GMT


  Sorry, but the bayonet isn't for sale. I just got a great deal on it 
from my uncle when he found out I didn't have one for my Garand.
Unfortunately, he couldn't tell me too much about it, which is unusual
because he knows quite a bit about most knives and bayonets (another
reason I'm inclined to think it may be an unusual piece).
  I would, however, be happy to answer any questions you may have about
the bayonet to the best of my ability.

	Dave
From: pauly@netcom.com (Paul Yoshimune)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Winchester Black Talons in M1911's
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:57:40 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <20907@drutx.ATT.COM> ljb@parkcity.dr.att.com (BLO54620-BonhamLJ(DR2194)240) writes:
#
#Does anyone have direct experience with using Winchester's new "Black Talon"
#ammunition in their Colt etc. M1911 pistol?  I'm still searching for a more
#effective round than 230gr. ball which will feed reliably in my Officer's ACP
#which has the stock, factory, throat configuration.  Any info would be helpful as
#I would be very disappointed to buy 200-300 rounds for testing and discover my favorite
#toy doesn't like them.

Well, I've put a couple boxes of 230gr Black Talon through my somewhat 
modified Springfield M1911, and have had no problems.  I've done no work to 
either the ejection port or feed ramp (Nowlin barrel), but have installed a
Wilson extractor.  The stock one was entirely erratic, and would jam quite
often.  I also use Shooting Star 8-round mags, which is important.  I've found
that the Black Talon rounds are quite short (like 1.210"), so you should
definitely check functioning with your gun/magazines.

Good luck...

-- 
DVC,
  Paul

Paul Yoshimune
pauly@netcom.com
From: jcw@sysdiv.sdl.usu.edu (JC Wilkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Rifle Calibers for Long Distance Shooting
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:14:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: CC.01GPEA6JTSHU91WKT0
Organization: Utah State University (USU)

Well , Bob
A good caliber for what you want might be Winchester .300 magnum. It's not a 
wildcat cartridge and it isn't that hard to come by. The round is powerful 
and heavy enough to be effective at long ranges(1000 yards) but won't 
dislocate your shoulder when you fire it. Of course, you'll need  to use a 
long receiver. In general, this would be a good round for an AT+T gun.
=====Reach out and touch some one======

      Rick
From: burge@qdeck.com (Bill Burge)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Loaded Clips
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:13:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: sco1.9209300801.aa11961
Organization: Quarterdeck Office Systems, Santa Monica CA

In article <1992Sep25.015920.1974@odin.corp.sgi.com> barnes@cowboys.esd.sgi.com (Jim Barnes) writes:
#If I have my clip loaded but out of the gun, the gun is still considered
#loaded.
#Right?
#Now what if I have a unloaded clip in the gun and a loaded clip near
#by???????
#Am I still in trouble?????
#

In California, you still would be in trouble.  The rule of thumb being
immediate access to both gun and ammo at the same time.  Granted I have
broken this thumb on many occaisions.  They are supposed to be separate
and locked.

Bill	burge@qdeck.com

PS - we just recieved an Elan, a 4000/24Z, a 4000 and 2 3000's.  They
are very nice, especially since I get to keep the 4000 for MY use.
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Cor-bon safe in Glock?
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:19:30 GMT
Organization: Western Washington University

STX@MSUS1.MSUS.EDU (Kevin Whyte) writes:

#I went to one of the local gun shops yesterday and saw (to my suprise) they
#had some Cor-Bon ammo.  It was 35 bucks for 50 so I didn't buy any but
#when I mentioned that I might buy some after I got paid to shoot in my Glock
#the guy behind the counter said that thier gunsmith doesn't recomend it
#because of excess pressure.  The data on the outside of the box stated that 
#it pushed a 180 (155?) grain bullet at 1200 fps.  That is about 300fps
#faster than the other ammo I have seen in this caliber.  Has anyone out
#there actually fired this ammo?  Does it show signs of excessive pressure?

	To the best of my knowledge, there is no factory ammo that cannot 
be safely fired in any of the Glock pistols.  

The 9mms are designed for +P+ equivalent NATO ammo.   I assume from your
post that you are either talking about the .40 or the 10mm.   155 gr .40
at a nominal ~1200 is not unsusual.  Win's ST claims the same.  180 gr
10mm at 1200 also sounds about par with other manufacturers.

	If hot ammo is all you want, other companies make the equivalent
to most of their +P stuff.  
CorBon's main claim to fame is hot ammo with minimal muzzle flash.

	Anyone out there fired both CorBon's and Rem's +P .45?  Is there
a big enough difference to warrant an extra $10/box?  How about 9mm
and some of the other calibers?

Jim Del Vecchio
From: bbx!bbxrbk!russ@unmvax.cs.unm.edu (Russ Kepler)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: .40 S&W Help Sought
Date: 4 Oct 92 02:27:15 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Oct2.163801.11217@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
#gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn) writes:
#
##[annual discussion of Glock and safeties]
#
#What I don't like about the glock is the fact that you don't get a
#second chance on a misfire.

I knew this was going to come up sooner or later... 

When was the last time you had a misfire from a handgun in proper
condition?  I've had some from revolvers that someone tried to
"lighten up" and pistols that someone tried to improve the lock time,
but never in a stock SIG or Glock or 1911 or S&W or...

I think that this, plus the standard "tap-rack-bang" procedure makes
this (the non exposure of a hammer on a GLOCK [and non-double action
action]) doesn't make the Glock unacceptable as a service piece.

-- 
Russ Kepler, posting from home
Will hack unix for food 		(.sig stolen from dt - sorry, dt)
From: jd@latcs1.lat.oz.au (John Dimogotsis)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Glock adoption
Date: 3 Oct 92 13:21:38 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia


	Has the Glock been adopted by any large organization, police-force or
military?
								Thanks.
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