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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: ACIIIEEEDDD!! was Rave or Techno?
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit MI  U.S.A.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 04:38:53 GMT

xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer) writes:
 
>>>>>> Regarding Re: Rave or Techno?; phuag@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr C J Tilbury) adds:
>  phaug> Followup-To: alt.rave
>
>  phaug> Unfortunate perhaps, that it was "that shit" that created the original rave
>  phaug> subculture back in the UK, in 1988/89. Because, without "that shit" its
>  phaug> quite possible that you wouldn't be going to raves, because they wouldn't of
>  phaug> happened. You've either never heard of Acid House music, or are so completely
>  phaug> clueless as to realise that the acid in it is LSD, and it was acid house
>  phaug> that really started the raves going over here in the UK. The most ironic part
>  phaug> of it is that acid house music was an American creation.
>
>But the "acid" in American acid house wasn't about drugs. It was a
>dj/producer term referring to swiping and reworking someone else's beat or
>stripping a track to it's bare essentials. I'm thinking back to the old
>Chicago Trax dayz. I never saw the drug connotation until Psychick TV
>jumped on the bandwagon. So Acid House can probably be thought of as a
>British invention, but the acid house style is indeed American.
 
Could it be possible (I extrapolate) that the whole rave craze was
started when 1000s of European kids began dropping acid because of a
simple misunderstanding?????????
And now it's being sold back to kids in the US!!!!!!!!!
 
If so, that's just about the most incredible joke I've ever heard!
 
The mind literally boggles!!!!!!
 
--Eric
 
eiverso@cms.cc.wayne.edu  "It's that constant beat; that 'boom, boom, boom!'
Everything goes bright!        I get hyped, I get into it, and when the
You got to Stun Down!                breaks come . . . I scream!" :)
 
Sample and hold             New design, new design           Sample and hold
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Rave or Techno?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 16:53:31 GMT
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squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk (Stephen Quigg) writes:

> Maybe you should stop going to 'raves' , nah , in fact STOP going 
> immediatley , in fact , People of America , stop this guy going , or I 
> predict that within the next couple of months , you will all be as bitter 
> as me :-) when he destroys your weekend's fun.

Au contraire, Quigghead.  Fools and poseurs like *you* are a large part of 
the reason I have no interest in the rave scene.  You demonstrate quite 
effectively that it's no longer any different from any other scene: overrun 
with lots of attitude-drunk loudmouths who are more interested in pissing 
out their territories than simply letting people enjoy whatever music they 
happen to enjoy.  If anything's destroying the scene it's *that*, not the 
fact that some people like bubblegum techno.

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
From: tfinn@crash.cts.com (Aaron Grier)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: USA is *way* behind Europe (Was: YO HO!)
Date: 10 Jan 93 04:38:32 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

In article <1993Jan9.163355.10886@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (enhanced invisible life [Todd Sines]) writes:
>five years ago i was listening to skinny puppy, art of noise, and big black. i 
>wasn't even listening to any detroit or chicago stuff, barely listened to any 
>kraftwerk except for electric cafe, and i USED to think that keyboard music was
>lame for a while (when i was listening to sonic youth...)
>
	Lessee here... five years ago I was listening to hmm... crap!
Yes.. I was a top 40 dork. Of course I was only 11, but still. :) I
always liked computer/keyboard music -- even though I never knew where
to find it. I still have the tune of tour de france in my head even
though I can't exactly recall where I've heard it before.

	You can almost divide up all people into different musical
groups. There are people who will listen to whatever's popular, and
there are people who listen to what THEY want to listen to. Music for
me is something very special, very mooving. It reflects myself, and
not society. I listen to techno not just because it sounds neat, but
because it represents a whole other train of thought away from money,
greed, and hate. The idea that you can go to a rave and have friendly
conversation with almost anyone, dance how you like, dress how you
like, and not be subjected to peer pressure is really cool.

	Only techno can do it. Note that most of it is "sterile" and
doesn't really go too deep. Either that or it is mysterious... or
relaxing. Or just plain strange. It isn't hateful (even hardcore... I
think of it more as energy-filled) and people of all backgrounds can
enjoy it.

	Plus sometimes you've just got to dance.. :-)

agrier@gompers.gompers.edu (real internet addy)
tfinn@crash.cts.com (UUCP address)
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From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (6 pack and a shotgun)
Subject: Re: SHIT WORTH HAVING
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 22:11:15 GMT

Somewhere in Cyberspace, greg.ipp@rose.com said about 'SHIT WORTH HAVING':
|
|Date Entered: 01-09-93 14:43
|Quoted From: jakub.ludwinski@satalink.com (Jakub Ludwinski) 
|> 
|> Next Is the E is really awesome, the first song on the CD that is... the
|> rest aint that good...If you really like moby get all his CD Singles
|> instead of the album...I got DROP A BEAT, GO remixes and NExt is the E
|> all are CD singles...really great stuff...btw MOBY AINT DOING 'E'!
|> according to a interview I read in some mag few days ago, in fact he
|> hasnt touched drugs in 8 yrs!
|
|Yeah, theres a disclaimer on the inside cover of my 'Next is the E' 
|EP, which basically warns against doing E, and says that he would 
|never write a song glorifying the drug.  So after reading that, I 
|listened to the samples, and it can be taken a few ways... I believe 
|some of them say other letters of the alphabet (ie. "D.  And next is 
|the E").  I'd like to know what all this is about?  What does he mean 
|in his reference to E?

Though Moby doesn't himself do drugs doesn't necessarily mean he's
some BibleThump out to rid the world of drugs....There's lots of
people out there who love drug culture, but don't do drugs
themselves...You don't haveta be Primal Scream to make Higher Than the
Sun, you don't haveta be Terence McKenna to do Re: Evolution... In
other words, it's probably about E, just like everyone thinks.... 

|rev@cibbs.uucp / greg.ipp@rose.com
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From: rms@cs.tu-berlin.de (Michael R. Ganss)
Subject: Techno Software
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:45:34 GMT

Howdy!

I am desperately looking for software to create some
decent techno tracks.
I've got access to some great hardware (NeXT, any SPARC,
SGI Indigo and Crimson, 486), but haven`t come across any
software that's easy to use for someone without any knowledge
of scoresheets etc.
And what about that MOD format everybody's talking about?
Is there any soft out there for U*X systems to create such
files (maybe even w/ a nice little X Interface)?

Any help appreciated,
--
Michael R. Ganss         B: Cup or cone?
rms@cs.tu-berlin.de      A: Cone. I like to lick.
From: st1pk@rosie.uh.edu (DISCO BISCUIT)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: YO HO!
Date: 10 Jan 1993 20:01 CST
Organization: University of Houston
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In article <1993Jan9.163641.10944@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (enhanced invisible life [Todd Sines]) writes...
>well, you are right, look in your own back yard....
> 
>but where are the reinforced and movin shadow and jem and sub base record 
>labels in america?
> 
>where is the american aphex twin? the grid? orbital? orb? etc....
> 

  Where is Moby?
> 
>AAAUUUHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
> 
> 
> 
>sines
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From: jondr@sco.COM (Desi The Three-Armed Wonder Comic)
Subject: Re: YO HO!
Reply-To: jondr@sco.com
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:23:40 GMT


I am not cyberpun@wam.umd.edu (Digital Druid).  I didn't say:
>  Changing the topic a bit...Does anyone notice how good anything by Moby or
>for that matter The Prodigy, etc...sound?  I'm not talking if you like to dance
>to it or whatever, but the production can't be beat!!!  It's some of the 
>cleanest sounding techno I've heard...it compares to major release stuff.  Is
>this becuase It is?
>  Does anyone think they are kind of 'betraying ' the scene because they are
>so commercial?  I mean I've heard records that sound like crap...
>But is this what draws people?  This do-it-yourself-non-professional sound?

i think the do-it-yourself *attitude* draws people.  not necessarily the
sound.  hell, it worked for me!

if a major label is going to give a moby or a prodigy a major label advance,
then they can use the bucks to buy better sound quality.  it's simple.

incidentally, techno can be recorded extremely cleanly for less bucks than
other forms of music because most of the signal processing can be handled by
the synths themselves.  if you do what we do (record straight off the board
onto DAT), you can make an incredibly clean sounding record for relatively
cheap.

if you are a struggling techno artist, possibly the best investment you can
make in your sound is a DAT machine...

-- 
Jon Drukman (God's personal DJ)                 uunet!sco!jondr   jondr@sco.com
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Plan: eat right, exercise regularly, die anyway.
Organization: University of Maryland at Baltimore
Date: Thursday, 7 Jan 1993 09:56:36 EST
From: Robert Haskins <RHASKINS@UMAB.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Breakbeat and 'hardcore' ruminations
 <1993Jan6.181324.13439@athena.mit.edu>

Chris Teixeira:  Please define "ultra-chipmunk."  Thanks muchly.

Bob
From: st10t@Rosie.UH.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Rave or Techno?
Date: 13 Jan 1993 04:50:08 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: st10t@Rosie.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu

A large pond ventures to write :
>
>Lazlo man writes :
>>lots of attitude-drunk loudmouths who are more interested in pissing 
>>out their territories than simply letting people enjoy whatever music they 
>>happen to enjoy.  
>
>I mean, if you ignore them they will cease to exist. Just go along and smile
>and you will be accepted. Don't rain on anyone's parade, do good to people,
>and you will be amazed at the good they do you.
>
>>If anything's destroying the scene it's *that*, not the 
>>fact that some people like bubblegum techno.
>
>Do you really think that 'the scene' can be destroyed? Raves are made of
>ravers, and ravers are committed to fun. With that many committed people, fun 
>never dies. It keeps changing and moving, but it never, ever, dies. 

This the the epitome of everything the Rave scene can ever hope to be.
What a beautiful attitude.
	BS
From: greg.ipp@rose.com (greg ipp)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: YO HO!
Date: 10 Jan 93 18:43:05 GMT
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
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Date Entered: 01-10-93 13:39
Quoted From: tfinn@crash.cts.com (Aaron Grier)
> 
> That 808state/UB40 song is pretty good!
> 
> "I am a one in ten, a number on a list, I am a one in ten, even though
> I don't exist... nobody knows me, even though I'm always there, just a
> statistical reminder of a world that doesn't care..."
> 
> Cool eh?
> 
> agrier@gompers.gompers.edu (real internet addy)
> tfinn@crash.cts.com (UUCP address)
>

Anybody get the single to this song?  I saw it, and it had I think two 
808state remixes, and two UB40 remixes -- is this worth it?  I don't 
like UB40 all that much, so...

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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Address to ORB mailing-list?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 20:10:39 GMT
Organization: Usenet Power Elite: Crush-The-Innocent-Newbies Strike Team
NNTP-Posting-Host: triton.unm.edu

Trancentral (the KLF/Orb & Company mailing list) is reachable at
klf-request@asylum.sf.ca.us.

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (enhanced invisible life [Todd Sines])
Subject: Re: USA is *way* behind Europe (Was: YO HO!)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 16:33:55 GMT


>>arf said:

        Rave msuic is yours pal. We stole it from you, now we're
 selling it back to you and you didn't even know it was in your back yard
 five years ago....

        arf, engerland


five years ago i was listening to skinny puppy, art of noise, and big black. i 
wasn't even listening to any detroit or chicago stuff, barely listened to any 
kraftwerk except for electric cafe, and i USED to think that keyboard music was
lame for a while (when i was listening to sonic youth...)

i have changed a lot, but it seems that the good shit that comes out of england
and europe... not only music but design as well...catches the american eye and 
we try to make a quick buck off of what was originally, for the most part, 
yours. how come USA domestic releases of UK imports are always a good month or 
so behind.. maybe even a year!

the exceptions to this rule would have to definitely be the larger cities where
people did write techno. i am of course refering to detroit and chicago. the 
start of the acid house and techno scenes. although, if frankie bones is from 
nyc, why does his stuff with adam x (his brother) come out on fabulous and we 
have to pay import price for american tracks?

it wouldn't bother me so much if some of the labels in the UK got closer to the
deal like 4ad has here with warner brothers... the stuff released in the UK 
usually (swallow, breeders, lush) gets released in the US in a month or less. 
but even then, our corporate record companies don't really give two shits to 
release limited edition copies of a record. the whole thing with CD singles 
really blew it because record companies wanted to abolish half of their name: 

RECORDS!

and that was because they thought it was an easier format to handle club and 
radio play, because if it didn't get played there then it wouldn't get played 
at all...


enough, i am gonna get even more frustrated soon.



sines
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From: damir@planet10.WPI.EDU (MR. Boy)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: USA is *way* behind Europe (Was: YO HO!)
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:09:46
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu's message of Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:16:08 GMT

>>>>> On Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:16:08 GMT, EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu said:

EIVERSO>  
EIVERSO> Pre-Victorian? No drugs? All you see on TV is sex. All you hear about
EIVERSO> on the news is drugs. Where have you been? No flame intended, Barry.
EIVERSO> I just don't see how you can say that, but everyone *is* entitled to an
EIVERSO> opinion.

	just because there is lots of sex on television, does
not mean we have healthy sexual attitudes in this country. like
i said before, we are obsessed and repressed.  everything in the
extreme.    tv tells us "sex sex sex! get all you can!",
while parents, and teachers, and other persons "in authority"
tell us it's bad, or worse, don't tell us at all.  with this
kind of dual-bombardment, of course most people are messed up.
either get as much sex as you can, or get none at all. these are 
the attitudes is the US.  whatever happened to balance?
everyone here is addicted to something (i will admit that this
is a human condition, not a US condition), but i believe moreso
than in europe.
	as to xjam, who posted a nice subtle flame to the
ex-patriot wanna-bes, i'm not moving out of this hell hole
because of the music (in fact, that's what i'll miss), but
because of the culture (or lack of it).  i've lived in italy,
so i can make a choice between the two, and it's a very
simple choice.
	i don't care if this has nothing to do with alt.rave :)

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From: jondr@sco.COM (Karen Silkwood's car)
Subject: Re: Breakbeat and 'hardcore' ruminations
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 17:14:31 GMT


spray@convex.com (Rob Spray) writes:
>I managed to play the entire PTP's "Rubber Glove Seduction" 12" at
>33.  A listener called up and told me, so after the next song
>I played it again at 45!
>Doncha hate it when they don't put the speed in BIG LETTERS on the
>record?

doesn't matter.  wax trax (which published PTP among others) had a habit of
completely mislabeling their records.  (45 rpm discs labeled as 33, a side
labels stuck on the b sides...)

-- 
Jon Drukman (God's personal DJ)                 uunet!sco!jondr   jondr@sco.com
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Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: jakub.ludwinski@satalink.com (Jakub Ludwinski)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: MORE DEMOS!
Date: 9 Jan 93 22:36:00 GMT
Reply-To: jakub.ludwinski@satalink.com (Jakub Ludwinski)
Organization: Datamax/Satalink Connection * Ivyland, PA (215) 443-9434

2nd part of the demos list [only the best chosen]

DEMO-881
Bass Subliminal Techno Demo.

DEMO-901
Phenomena Engina Demo. Cool demo with ray traced animation, check it
out!

DEMO-971
Wildfire Mega Demo. Great mega demo, with digitzed color pictures of
the creators of this demo, plus great techno music! a must see!

DEMO-991
Spreadpoint Cub-O-Matic Demo. First demo with animations on each side
of a vector cube! RADICAL!

DEMO-1081
Thomsoft Virtual World Demo. This is a world beater! New routines to use
vectors together with pictures to present a really awesome effects. A
real
VIRUAL WORLD!

DEMO-1111
Alliance Design Substance Demo. This one took the seconds place on a
party
in 91 in Denmark [got beat by GLOBAL TRASH], many say this should have
been
the winner! judge for yourself!

DEMO-1141
Silents ICE Mega Demo. All time BEST demo ever! it is still #1 on all
the
demo charts! by the famous Silents France. Will it give its #1 slot for
another TSL demo? HARDWIRED? this is the first demo by TSL France, now
MELON DESIGN of CSL and ANARCHY...

Next message...music disks...the best of course..
From: rjg@cs.bham.ac.uk (Robin J Green)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Gimme a story and a place to sleep.
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:34:57 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, University of Birmingham, UK


	So, it's about time to kickstart the grey matter and answer
some real questions. Where do we come from, where are we going and
what do we do when we get there?

	But seriously. I was mailed by Johnny Chen about wierd
happenings at raves. What's the strangest thing that ever happened to
you at one? What's your everlasting memory of these events?

	For me the major feeling I get from these events is some sort
of togetherness under the groove (never quite in the way you expect).

	But the memory I get best is at an
early Universe event standing outside the main tent and watching the
sun come up one summer morning (behind the helter-skelter), the sky
turning red then yellow then a bright, raw young day starting under
the influence of the beat infinite. What an atmosphere. The mud, the
sweat dripping off the roof of the tent, the LASERS! the whistles, the
dehydration, everything. It's all chisled into my brain and it's a
memory I am proud to have.

	Wierdness abounds at raves. Meeting someone on a hockey mask
going mental and you JUST KNOW he's smiling at you even tho you can't
see his face. Getting hassled by the shite city ravers in the country
up at the front under the overhanging breasts of the female dancers.
The way dance platforms hold 3 times as many people with room to dance
then you ever thought possable. The people you meet dancing with a
small bunch of bananas in their hands waqving them around (wierd).
People fighting their way through the crowd JUST to OFFER you a drink
of water. The thanks you get for giving a good neck massage that's
true and heartfelt. All of that. Most of all clocking someone across
the floor who you know is your best friend ever, even tho you've never
met them before. Excellent.

	Tell me I'm not mad and this is all normal happenings at a
rave, else I'm COMPLETELY wierd and there's no hope for me. But wierd
things really do happen to me all the time at these events. I wanna
hear your stories. Or are you all backroom boys, buying records, maybe
having a house party but never REALLY experiencing the "true
rave (tm)"?

 - Robin <sweat stained whistle possee> Green.
From: michaeln@cs.uq.oz.au (Michael Norris,,,PGC,exp9312)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: rave?
Date: 8 Jan 93 08:57:11 GMT
Reply-To: michaeln@cs.uq.oz.au
Organization: Department of Computer Science, The University of Queensland

In article 20605@spdc.ti.com, tinoco@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Antera Tinoco) writes:

>   Hey wow, I got to see the Smart E's perform at a club I frequent in
>Dallas last Wednesday, Dec. 30th.  They played "Sesame's Treet" and two 
>other songs.  At closer inspection of the group, I noticed that the 
>keyboard player was pretending to play to the music.  There was a lot of 
>fog machine action.  When they were done with those three songs, they 
>left the stage, but later returned to function as MCs and pump up the 
>crowd by the lead guy (I am unfamiliar with his name) yelling "Oh yeah!  
>Mother fucking yeah!" and waving his arms.  

Yeuch.  Sounds rather like the pitiful performance Prodigy did at 
a NewYears do in Sydney.  They spent half an hour shouting "Are
You Ready?" and then thankfully departed.  I'm told British audiences
sometimes get hyped by this sort of thing, but it's unlikely to get
much response from an Australian crowd.

-Bunweasel




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