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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:11:00 -0400 
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: LSD recipies

Excerpts from netnews.alt.drugs: 14-Sep-92 LSD recipies Magick
Man@iastate.edu (291)

I'm interested in the morning glory/baby woodrose formula for making an LSD
derivitive as described in the Anarchist's Cookbook. I'm worried about
ingesting it without making sure it is safe. If someone can give me any methods
to make sure this is safe, please mail me.

magick@iastate.edu

----

I would very strongly suggest that you forget that you've ever seen the
Anarchist's Cookbook.  Most of the things they recommend vary from
dangerous to incredibly stupid.  The "recipe" they give for LSD will
probably cause liver damage and possibly blindness.  You'd be far better
off buying hits of acid than trying to make some.  LSD is not easy to
make; if have to ask on the net, then you don't know enough to make it
safely.

Just MHO,

-Chuck
+---------------------------------------------+
|  Charles William Swiger -- a victim of CMU  | All the world's a stage,
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.politics.drugs
From: lnosek@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Luke Paul Nosek)
Subject: Re: Idea for new drug - uses no chemicals.
	Thank's for the input, folks... Hmmm... first of all:
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:40:14 GMT
Keywords: electric magnetic non-chemical

	The response that mentioned high times - are those devices magnetic
	or are we talking about the same thing that guy with the speaker
	wires did.

	- in addition to speaker wires, those stun devices that are meant
	to knock out people with thousands of volts... well, there was a
	guy who got a buzz from zapping himself.

	And about accelerators... first of all, those guys never hang out
	anywhere near the magnets while they are one - if they did - watches
	and other metal objects would be sure to suffer. Secondly, the magnets
	are designed to project as much of their flux as possible into the
	accelleraltor itself. If any flux does get out it is not the full
	amount.

						Skywalker
From: pck@acsu.buffalo.edu (Philip C. Kilinskas)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Cleveland Plain Dealer article
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:44:38 GMT
Organization: UB

cd741@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Andarti) writes:



>Did anyone see the article titled "Drug legalization urged to
>save cities" from the Cleveland Plain Dealer (nice name) of
>August 1?  I just ran across it but don't want to type it in
>if its already been posted.....

Post it if you can find the time... I'm collecting articles like this..
Thanks,
Phil
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: "Paul Hager" <hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Idea for new drug - uses no chemicals.
Keywords: electric magnetic non-chemical
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:35:25 -0500

lnosek@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Luke Paul Nosek) writes:

>	The response that mentioned high times - are those devices magnetic
>	or are we talking about the same thing that guy with the speaker
>	wires did.

>	- in addition to speaker wires, those stun devices that are meant
>	to knock out people with thousands of volts... well, there was a
>	guy who got a buzz from zapping himself.

>	And about accelerators... first of all, those guys never hang out
>	anywhere near the magnets while they are one - if they did - watches
>	and other metal objects would be sure to suffer. Secondly, the magnets
>	are designed to project as much of their flux as possible into the
>	accelleraltor itself. If any flux does get out it is not the full
>	amount.

>						Skywalker

Re: accelerators.  Something I know a little about -- in a previous
incarnation I wrote the software for a device to map electromagnets
back when I was employed at the I.U. cyclotron.  Before accelerators
are put together, the magnets must be calibrated and checked for
discontinuities.  During that period, magnets are accessible.  In
fact, when I wrote the mapper, I did the testing on a huge electro-
magnet that was eventually going to be part of a magnetic spectrometer.

I remain skeptical about the psychoactive properties of magnetic
fields and await some hard data on the subject.
-- 
paul hager		hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu

"I would give the Devil benefit of the law for my own safety's sake."
                       --from _A_Man_for_All_Seasons_ by Robert Bolt
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: haba@lesti.hut.fi (Harri "Haba" Suomalainen)
Subject: Re: Heroin
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
	<1992Sep11.155322.9272@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:51:19

In article <1992Sep11.155322.9272@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:

    What? Synthetic morphine from what I have read is rather difficult to
   make and probably not even worth it. 

It certainly is not worth making while it can be easily extracted from
the poppies. However, it is not hard to make. As a matter of fact
the symmetry makes it very easy. (Just make the halves and combine them.)
Take a look at half of morphine and notice how simple it is!

I guess your easy differs from mine. As an easy sysnthesis I mean something
like 10 steps or so. Something like THC (50-100 steps) is what I consider
(very) difficult.
--
--
Harri Suomalainen        Harri.Suomalainen@hut.fi       haba@vipunen.hut.fi
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: tarrall@Colorado.EDU (Captain Neon)
Subject: Re: Pot Talk
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 12 Sep 92 02:28:54 GMT

jscsp@acad3.alaska.edu (PARKER CHRIS S) writes:

>I tried to turn some friends on to trying this, but their immediate response
>was "All you inhale gets absorbed after 15 seconds", they never thought of the 
>possibility that I wasn't talking about trying to squeeze more power out of
>the punch. I personally think its the only way to fly the friendly skies, but
>some people aren't into that sort of thing, I guess.

I typically held for about a minute.  Always seemed to get more out of it
than folks I was with - just figured I'm more sensitive than others -
but perhaps the breath bit has something to do with it.  If nothing else,
it's less expensive and probably easier on the system if it only takes a
hit or two.

>>Shckwish!
>Shckwash!
Er, shckwush?
							-Neon.-

Newsgroups: alt.drugs,misc.legal,talk.politics.drugs
From: choy@skorpio.usask.ca (I am a terminator.)
Subject: Re: Huumausainelakiuudistus
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:05:24 GMT

In article <lairdb.716246123@crash>, lairdb@crash.cts.com (Laird P. Broadfield) writes:
|> In <1992Sep11.171906.20275@nntp.hut.fi> jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:
|> >I don't feel like translating this now (perhaps someone else does?),
|> >so I'll just repost it.  It is about the proposed change of drug laws
|> >in Finland.
|> 
|> >Huumausainelakia ollaan muuttamassa rikoslain 50 luvuksi.  Asiasta
|> >j{tti ehdotuksen rikoslakiprojekti, joka esitti mm. huumausaineiden
|> >k{yt|n rangaistavuuden lievent{mist{ ja korvausk{yt{nn|n uudistamista
|> [and so forth....]
|> 
|> Goodness, they must have to buy a *lot* of vowels when they play
|> Wheel of Fortune.

I doubt it. You can see at a glance what the expression is.

Henry Choy
choy@cs.usask.ca
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: offer bee venom
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 15:18:38 GMT

>>     We  would  like  to  sugest a bee venom. The price is
>>80 $  for one gramm by cash payment in dollars or non-cash
>   Now, folks, this COULD be a prime example of Russian humour.

What, it wasn't oregano?
From: rlb@plex-1.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robin Billings)
Subject: Re: Datura spp.
Organization: Plex-1, Michigan's Public Access Usenet Gateway  (Ann Arbor).
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 01:52:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.143710.24671@Cadence.COM> bruceg@Cadence.COM (Bruce Gustifson) writes:
>Newsgroups: alt.drugs
>Subject: Datura spp.
>Distribution: world
>Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
>  Does anyone have any data on the effects of Datura (a plant). Also,
>is this drug illegal to ingest or posess (obviously, it is illegal
>to be intoxicated outside). One other thing, has anyone ever tried
>it, and if so, what was it like? How did you use it? I happen to

I would strongly recommend avoiding Datura.  The intoxication is more
a delerium and the experience is often hard to recall as well as bing
very hard on the body.  It may take days to recover and your pupils will
be enlarged, blurring vision, for several days.  It is most unpleasant.
From: cb@wixer.cactus.org (Cyberspace Buddha)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: ...
Date: 14 Sep 92 02:18:30 GMT
Organization: Real/Time Communications

In article <1992Sep13.021428.18251@wixer.cactus.org> cb@wixer.cactus.org (Cyberspace Buddha) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.081316.29074@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> gaspar@inf.ethz.ch (gaspo) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep9.163808.2673@nntp.hut.fi> jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:
>>>In article <ADm3WhgaT6@exinco.msk.su>, ulja@exinco (ulja) writes:
>>>> G.mOSKWA 095 252-09-28,FAKS:095 255-69-82
>>>
>As you can see, my editor <vi> didn't like those high-ascii chars much.

ok, never mind... what I was seeing was just the way vi presents 
high ascii characters.  Please to forgive me, I'm still learning
the "joys" of vi.
From: u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: New Scientist article on Ecstasy
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:51:55 GMT
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <1992Sep2.142957.16218@neptune.inf.ethz.ch>, cohen@cumuli.vmsmail.ethz.ch (Mark Cohen) writes:
> There is an article in the UK popular science magazine New Scientist
> (page 30 29th Aug issue) that may be of interest to readers of this
> group. The article deals with the use of ecstasy (MDMA or E) and is
> fairly approachable at a general level, giving an introduction to
> the mode of action at a physiological level. 

...

The article is interesting but by no means wholely accurate.
For instance, the chemical structures depicted for MDMA, MDA
and amphetamine are incorrect. One of the diagrams comparing
the mode of action of cocaine and MDMA seems wrong or redundant.
MDMA is repeatedly described as an hallucinogen, etc. This
is unfortunate, since most of the article is good, as is in
general, the magazine.

Jeremy
jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au
From: johneco@cns.nyu.edu (John Econopouly)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Heroin
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:29:59 GMT
Reply-To: johneco@cns.nyu.edu
Organization: New York University

In article 27590@henson.cc.wwu.edu, n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
> jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:
> 
> >n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
> 
> >>	I've read it as being 1.5 to 2.5 as potent.   I believe the 
> >>reason is that is crosses the bb barrier faster and more effeciently.
> 
> >   The standard dose of morphine i.v. is 10 mg. The same for heroin is 2 mg.
> >I've read it being even ten times more potent. Don't believe everything
> >you read.
> 
> 	Ah, but are the standard doses regarded as _eqivalent_ doses?  
> I suspect a patient accustomed to 10mg of morphine would _not_ be fully
> satisfied with 2mg heroin.
> 
> In medical literature I have seen quite a variety of morphine eqivalence 
> figures given for heroin over the years, but 2.5x seems to be the most 
> common one.  I've seen as high as 3, and as low as 1.5, but I have _never_ 
> in my memory seen 5 or 10 given.
> 
> 	Jim Del Vecchio


This is interesting, but the medical literature gauge of equivalence, which I 
presume is pain-relief, may not be the same as a recreational drug user's 
gauge, which would be something like intensity of experience/sensation.  For
example, a smaller relative dose of heroin in terms of final pain reduction
may feel more intense due to some other factor, perhaps faster uptake or
something.

In terms of this type of equivalence, it's a very open issue how to
interpret numbers assigned to sensory scaling of intensity.  But one 
example I can think of, William Burroughs in the drug description/appendix
to Naked Lunch, says that in his personal experience heroin is 6 times as
strong (I think...).
j
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: despair@netcom.com (Scott Hanson)
Subject: Re: Sleepless nights ...
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 20:41:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <something> jorngh@dhhalden.no (JORN GUNNAR HALONEN) writes:
>
>I recently saw a movie called 'Monkey Shines' by George A.Romero
>In one of the scenes a doctor injected himself with a drug (?)
>to keep himself awake over the night. (he had to, since he had
>already been awake several nights)
>
>Any ideas what he might have injected himself with ?
>
>Just curious ...

Amphetamines come to mind...
-- 
Scott Hanson		This has been a recording.
despair@netcom.com
From: v129nlgw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (PAUL HOWARD)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: heard through the grapevine
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:43:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep3.204414.22905@mits.mdata.fi>, jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen) writes...
>locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu () writes:
> 
>>you got the key phrase correct; inexperienced users. I've read of studies
>>where experienced users actually drive _better_ after use than before. While
>>inexperienced users fare much worse while under the influence. 
>>IMHO it allows the experienced user to concentrate better on any _one_ task
>>at hand, driving, mathematics, .
> 
>   Now, would you please cite these studies? That's sounds pretty heavy,
>especially as my personal experience (if I count as an experienced user)
>indicates exactly the opposite. If your "experienced user" means the same
>as "addict", I might buy that; tolerance to cannabis includes tolerance
>to the impairing effect as well as the psychological ones, which are, after
>all, probably indistinguishable from each other.
>-

	I don't remember which issue it was in, but I remember seeing results
like this in the Journal of Psychoactive Drugs.  I'd rather not make a special
trip to the library for this, but I did read the study.

	In addition, my personal experience confirms this.  While driving
down the highway with a slight high, I find the drive much easier, and I
always do the speed limit.  It is, however, a bad idea to drive stoned
in heavy traffic, or in a city, where there are a lot of rules to follow
such as stopping at red lights.

-Paul
From: u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: MAOI & shrooms
Date: 13 Sep 92 14:27:03 GMT
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <1992Sep11.151355.18251@plex-1.ann-arbor.mi.us>, 
rlb@plex-1.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robin Billings) writes:

A good post. Just a few things:

> Even the mild MAO
> inhibition of chocolate will potentiate the mushroom psilocybin/psilocin
> resulting in a more powerful experience from a lesser dosage, as the
> Mazatecan people of Oaxaca, Mexico know.  

So what is in chocolate which is a monoamine oxidase inhibitor?
  
>For a review of these issues,
> see:

Various references listed: McKenna, Towers, and Schultes (Ethnobotanists,
not pharmacologists. Good reading though).

What I would like to know is: whether the action of MAOI on
tryptamines has been properly researched. Anyone got a
ref. to this? Dr Nichols mentions/ suggests it in his
review paper I read. He does not state it as proven.
Do regular (theraputic) MAOIs potentiate DMT? This would be strong
evidence for the interaction being of this nature.
Don't forget that the tryptamines and the beta-carbolines
are VERY similar in structure - is it possible that the interaction
is partly or wholely of some other nature?
Is the metabolism of all tryptamines known to be generally via the
MAO pathway (as this poster claims)? Refs?

Jeremy
jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au
From: pierre@media.mit.edu (Pierre St. Hilaire)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: New designer drug
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:33:11 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

>
>Just curious, is Khat a leaf, where one gets the high by chewing on it?
>
>-- 

	People chew the young fresh shoots of the plant. The active
ingredients Cathine and Cathinone become inactive when the plant dries
 so the plant has to be consumed within a day or two after harvest.
This naturally complicates the logistics of distributing such a drug,
so its use is essentially confined to the Middle East. The article I
read specified that cathine and cathinone seem to be the only
naturally occuring amphetamines. Long term use is said to shut off
sexual drive :(

					Pierre St Hilaire
					MIT Media Laboratory
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Wednesday, 9 Sep 1992 16:45:19 EST
From: <AERE6969@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Pot Talk

    Chemically, what they do .....I haven't a clue.

 But, the psychoactivity, or the  "mindwarp" effect is due to the presence
of delta-8, and delta-9 trans-tetrahydracannibinol, or thc. you need at least
2% thc to notice anything worth writing home about. up around 13% thc is
probably the most you can find, this would be thai-stick and would knock
you right over (so don't let anyone ever tell you they've got weed with 25%
thc or something like that!) anyway, it's thc that gives you the giggles,
and the ol' high speed elevator effect.
 another compound which hemp produces is cannibidiol, or cbd. (sorry,
don't recall the percentages off hand), but this is the stuff that makes
you tired, droopy-eyed, and ready and willing to eat twice your own body
weight of anything you can find.
 so, high levels of thc is good. high thc and cbd is great, and high cbd
and low thc is ....... happy sleeping!


hope this helps
rodent @ rye.......................
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez)
Subject: ?
Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics, Cambridge, MA
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 06:41:42 GMT

nbc2543@dsacg2.dsac.dla.mil (Jeffrey A Erickson) writes [in sci.chem]:

>Can anyone please send me the information on how to make an
>efficient anti-mosquito smoke pot? 

Simple.  Catch the anti-mosquito and then catch a mosquito.  Hold the
mosquito up in front of the anti-mosquito and say "Listen, you
anti-mosquito, I am going to annihilate you with this mosquito if you
don't stop being so efficient and smoke some pot!"

Disclaimer: Don't blame me.



Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: Re: somethings to ponder...
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 16:44:11 GMT

voss@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (stephen voss) writes:

>popular myths
>-------------
>1)Atheists are left wing types
>---------
>many atheists are actually republicans cause they figure I can do 
>anything now beacuse once im dead i wont have anyone to answer to.

	There is no generalization that fits.

>2)drug users are mostly uneducated poor people
>most mj users have at least some college education.

	Many mj users are high-school kids, many others are adult hicks, 
rural types and dropouts.  Many are construction workers.  Some are on 
welfare or wash dishes for a living.  Many others are college kids.  As 
above, neither generalization fits.

>while freebase users 
>tend to be burnt out professionals

	And many are construction workers, hillbillys, welfare dependants, 
etc., as above.

>. The drugs of the lower classes tend 
>to be crack and heroin. 

	And marijuana.

>While lsd seems to have a scattering among a 
>broad economic base

Jim Del Vecchio
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Eyedrops taken orally: effect?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:00:23 GMT

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
: 
: You don't provide enough information to comment intelligently.
: Like, what's IN the eyedrops, or at least their brandname (the
: first is far preferable.)  Otherwise, there's nothing you can say.
: 
: There are no eyedrops in the US where you could "get high" by ingesting them.

And probably not anywhere in the world. At least, not through chemical action.
It is possible to get high, on just about any substance, through the placebo
effect.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: haba@lesti.hut.fi (Harri "Haba" Suomalainen)
Subject: Re: Heroin
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
	<1992Sep8.133844.709@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>
	<1992Sep8.203021.24216@mits.mdata.fi> <HABA.92Sep9003931@lesti.hut.fi>
	<1992Sep9.211056.8935@mits.mdata.fi>
Date: 11 Sep 92 01:10:57

In article <1992Sep9.211056.8935@mits.mdata.fi> jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:

      No, it's not any closer to the endorphins than morphine. Endorphins are
   proteins (endogenous opioid peptides), morphine is an alkaloid and heroin is

In case of morphine the relevant thing to look at is distance from the
nitrogen atom to the oxygen atom not in either -OH group. That stucture
occurs both in methadone and in mepiridine, therefor the somewhat similar
efects. That has been tried to copy for a new synthetic drug a long time..

Changing morphines stereochemilal structrure slighly acetylation makes
the relevant distance different slightly. That sure has something to do
with the change in efects!

BTW, synthetic morphine would be rather easy to me, though I've not done
it. Check out Chemical Abstacts for info on how it may be done. Not a two
step synthesis though..
--
--
Harri Suomalainen        Harri.Suomalainen@hut.fi       haba@vipunen.hut.fi
From: ulma@coli.uni-sb.de (Ulrich Mayring)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Trip tapes (audio) and trading dubs?
Date: 5 Sep 92 23:23:23 GMT
Organization: U of Saarbruecken, Dept. of Computational Linguistics

locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu () writes:

>Einshturzen Neubatten (sp!?) (all of it!)

Einstuerzende Neubauten.

With courtesy from Germany.


     Ulrich Mayring

       - Man muss schon sehr genau hinhoeren - 
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: cklausme@jarthur.claremont.edu (Chris Klausmeier)
Subject: _Money Tree_
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 05:13:22 GMT


Does anyone know the availability of the movie _Money Tree_?  We would like
to get a copy to show at one of our college hemp group's meetings.

-- Chris