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From: aw3a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anatole Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Newbies
Date: 13 Dec 92 15:40:47 GMT
Organization: Masters student, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Anatole Wilson writes:
>>I don't want this to sound like a flame or anything, but some of us have
>>no clue what RFD or a CFV means. Please keep in mind that when your
>>explaining a procedure to someone new, acronyms son't mean a whole lot.
>>Sorry. Pet peeve. (Do you know how long it took me to figure out what
>>IMHO and BTW meant? My poor widdle bwain!)

Tom Galloway responds: 
>Hopefully less than a month, as both are mentioned in the monthly Welcome
>to r.a.c.* postings. But then, they're also in the posts in
>news.announce.newusers which every newcomer to Usenet should read first
>thing.

Obviously, this isn't a thread to continue on comics.misc., but my point
was no that I'm hopelessly ignorant of Usenet jargon, but that since the
original poster asked how to get a neww bboard established, she probably
wouldn't understand the acronyms used to explain the procedure, either.
It's a simple matter of considering your audience, who possibly "should"
know these terms, but might not. I meant this as a general comment, not
as a condemnation of the response or an indication of my own ignorance. 

Some messages I received actually suggested that I refrain from using
any Usenet bboard until I had thoroughly read news.announce.newusers and
a couple of other boards that I've overlooked (not hard, considering my
machine lists access to over 5800 bboards.)

While I will make an effort to look at these bboards from time to time,
I don't think they should be a prerequisite for joining in a discussion
for this or any other bboard. IMHO (see, I'm learning), the only
prerequisite for this bboard should be a love or at least interest in
comics. 

It's probably not worth your time to flame me on this. I realize that
this was an inappropriate subject to bring up on this board, and I was
probably being a bit pompous for doing so. My apologies to all.



Anatole Wilson                  "If anyone objects to anything I say,
-----------------                I am prepared not only to retract it,
                                 But to deny under oath that I ever said it
                                 in the first place."
From: vcz40@jester.usask.ca (Perry Testem)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Phone # for DC?
Date: 17 Dec 1992 09:39:15 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
NNTP-Posting-Host: jester.usask.ca
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]


Okay, let's try that again...

The question for DC's phone number reminded me of a number I would like:
DC Comics' fax number. Anybody have any info??

----------------------------------------------
Nathan Elke (Never mind the name above)
Saskatoon, SK
Canada
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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: Favorite Artists?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:02:25 GMT

Here's my list:

Geirge Perez (espicially when he inks his own stuff.)
Ty Templeton
Joe Rubinstein
Coleen Doran
Mike Dringenberg
Scott Hampton
John Bolton
and whoever's been doing the covers for ST:TNG.  They're great.

oh, and Brian Bollard (sp?)



I'll post more as I think of 'em

LJC
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From: tyg@LON.UK.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway {US HQ})
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Send in the Superman Clones
Date: 18 Dec 1992 09:58:21 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Y'know, I'd tend to give credence to this report of their being four
Supermen (with perhaps one of them going to Sweden for an operation to
bring back a Kryptonian Supergirl...) just as a reasonable extension
of current gimmicks. We've seen comics with multiple covers, comics with
multiple stories (Team Titans #1), the next step is clearly comics
with multiple versions of the same character.

Of course, we do have a problem in that there are only three colors in
Superman's costume. Thus, one of the clones will have to stay as Clark
Kent, while the others go by Superman-Blue, Superman-Red, and Superman-Yellow.

And the real reason why DC might be going with the multiple Supermen idea;
this gives them the chance to duplicate the Superman #75 sales three more
times as they kill off the clones...

"3. Based on your knowledge of RNA and DNA, create human life. Then, clone 40
sets of identical twins and conduct a behavioural genetics experiment that
puts the nature vs. nurture question to rest, once and for all." 
  --A Comprehensive Exam for Students in Introductory Psychology
tyg  tyg@hq.ileaf.com
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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: Sandman, Hellblazer, and Hell
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:57:13 GMT

I think the Snob is the Archangel Gabriel.



LJC
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Lady Johanna Constantine | "When you remove the pin, Mr Hand
tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu    |  Grenade is no longer your friend"
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From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Image Splits Up
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:53:33 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1glafmINNk8v@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne) writes:
>
>In a previous article, mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) says:
>
>>He also pointed out that the reason Marble and Dee See comics come 
>>out on a monthly basis is that the editors can hire other people to
>>do them at their own discression. Image titles are owned by the
>>creators, so they control it. No one finished a Steven King novel
>>when it doesn't come out when expected. Likewise with
>>Image -- and with the HUGE press runs and $1.95 price tag, it's
>>not like they need the $$$.
>>
>
>You might tell him that Stephen King signs contracts with publishers.
>I'm sure one aspect of his contract is a delivery date for a novel.  The
>Image people have decided that deadlines don't mean anything.  I don't
>care how large a press run might be:  they don't get paid until they
>deliver the book...
>-- 
>===============Joel Tscherne:  ac985@cleveland.freenet.edu===============

	Stephen King does indeed have deadlines.  This is how he was pressured
into finishing Pet Sematary (he thought it was too grim and depressing to
even write, let alone read).  He also blames some of his less illustrious work
on this fact.

					Just some info,
						Time-Waster Lad
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From: bmessick@well.sf.ca.us (William P Messick)
Subject: Re: Goofy Rumors and Superman
Keywords: superman, sandman, doomsday 
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:58:26 GMT


> In article <1992Dec16.013627.29679@udel.edu> mickey@pecan.cns.udel.edu
(Mickey)
> writes:
> I was in my local comic shop rummaging around (they are having a sale of
> sorts) and a Crazed Man runs in wanting to know where he can find the
> Death of Superman Special.  The Clerk Lady said there wasn't such a comic,
> but this guy had to make sure, so he calls the comic shop owner from the
> phone.  The Crazed Man learned from the Comic Shop Owner that there indeed
> wasn't a Death of Superman Special floating around out there that had
> the secret Doomsday-Superman battle in it.  However, the Crazed Man went
on
> to expound on his theory that the real Superman wasn't killed.  It's
> the Sandman-Superman, Crazed Man says, he took Superman's place after
their
> battle and the real Superman is in a coma somewhere and he'll wake up now
> that the Sandman Creature is dead.  He is convinced the Sand-Superman
> absorbed all of Superman's powers, along with his memories and "desire to
> combat evil."

It's not THAT Sandman.  Or that one, either.

Crazed Man maybe not so crazed.  He's describing Walt Simonson's Superman
special, came out a few months ago.  It was originally supposed to be an
Annual story, from before Luthor "died".  An experiment in synthesizing
Kryptonite backfired, turned the green K to lead and somehow created this
sand creature that stole Superman's powers one at a time, growing to look
more and more like Supes with each power.  Just before he killed Supes, he
absorbed enough of Supes memories and character that he couldn't bring
himself to take a life (very poignant and heart-rending in a comic-book
way).  And then what happened was: something, maybe an explosion.  Next
scene, Supes in Luthor's office, explaining how the Sandman became too
much like him, which was a good thing, 'cos who wants a Superman with no
conscience, etc.  Not one of Simonson's best, and hardly worth a two-year
wait, but give him the benefit of the doubt since the story was basically
a rewrite of an early 70's plotline (but with a different ending, I hear,
never read the originals).

BUT, the ending was ambiguous enough that it COULD have been the Sandman
THINKING he was the read Supes.  And you have to wonder about the timing:
since the story was so late, and so out of date coninuity-wise, did DC
finally publish the thing because the story was so compellingly excellent
(it wasn't) Or didi they publish it because they needed the story hooks in
place for later?

The Sandman replacement theory is my second-favorite Superman rebirth
theory,
after the one where he convinces St Peter to send him back so he can save
the President from the (revived) Doomsday!
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From: glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gord Locke)
Subject: Re: Favorite Artists?
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:59:37 GMT

	Here's a partial list:

	Charles Vess
	John Romita Jr.
	Dean Motter -- the DC Prisoner thing was excellent!
	Rick Leonardi -- check out SM 2099 ... Hoo hah!  Deadly!  Give 
me this over Image any day!
	Whasisname Dorman -- he does painted covers, and that Aliens:
Tribes HC.  Great stuff!
	The two guys (Karl Story and some other artist) who did "Star
Trek: Debt of Honor [sic]" -- Oy vey!  Get it ... NOW!
	Those Kubert guys, Joe and Adam (or is it Andy?) -- A. Kubert
does the best Venom ever in the "Spirits of Vengeance" thang (not saying
much, is it?)
	Mark Texeira -- why did he leave Ghost Rider?  Why??!!
	Jim Lee

	and many more I can't think of right now ...

and finally, cornwall@ravel.udel.edu (Ray J Cornwall) writes:

>Dale Keown's stuff on Hulk.
>SAL BUSCEMA!!! SAL BUSCEMA!!! (One of the most underrated artists
>around...didn't anybody see "Death of Vermin"?)
>Alan Davis
>Todd McFarlane's Spawn (not Spidey- that stuff was ecchh...)

>Ray Cornwall
>U of D

	A-fraggin'-greed!!  To say Sal Buscema (byoo-see-mah) is
underrated severely understates the situation!  Yes, I saw "Death of
Vermin", and I'm still reeling!  Keown is also excellent -- late but
worth the wait -- and Davis also rules.  McFarlane can be a bit too
"busy" for my poor eyes sometimes, but rather impressive and pretty to
look at just the same.
	Just my 2 cents ...
-- 
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From: jeffb@world.std.com (Jeffrey T Berntsen)
Subject: Re: Retcons and Dr. Doom (Re: Retcons: Marvel and DC)
Keywords: marvel doom simonson byrne retcons 
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 04:45:03 GMT

mickey@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Mickey) writes:

>In article <Bz3swD.K05@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Vincent Vaugn ) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec11.053425.9371@news.columbia.edu> jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan M Lennox) writes:
>>>In article <10DEC92.14036480.0064@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CXMP <CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> writes:
>>>
>>>  No, he didn't.  Rather, he left it deliberately vague so that you
>>>could decide that any Doctor Doom appearance you didn't like or
>>>thought was out of character was really an android--the rest were
>>>really him.  I believe Simonson has stated this.  So if you like John
>>>Byrne's Doctor Doom, then it was the real thing.
>>>
>>If this was Simonson's intent, he failed miserably to stick to any
>>sort of Doom continuity. The Doom in Simonson's #350 professed to
>>know nothing of Kristoff's activation, and seemed to prove himself to
>>be someone other than the Dr. Doom Kristoff was fighting, because he
>>knew a password to instantly deactivate Kristoff. 

>Okay, so the way I see it is that Simonson verified that at least some
>of the Byrne Doom appearances were the real thing.  After all, it
>was in the 246-247 storyline that Doom first finds Kristoff.  So, there's
>a bit more to it than simply whether you liked that appearance or not.
>Logic will see its way through this mess.

All this talk about Doom lately...  (Actually, it beats all the talk about
Supes lately.  I mean "Is Supes Dense?"; Come on, anyone who read the death
of Supes stories KNOWS he's got to be pretty dense.)

Anyway, I don't think anyone has mentioned a possibility that's crossed my
mind lately:  What if there's more than one Doom?  Think about it: because of
his various excursions through (and across) time, there were a LOT of Kangs
running around, each claiming to be the genuine article.  The same could have
happened with Doom.  Simonson's handling of Doom's return would just about
guarantee it.  It would also account for the scarless "Doom" in Doom 2099 who
claims to be from this time...  Just something to think about.

Jeff Berntsen
jeffb@world.std.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Favorite Artists?
From: <JW83HISW@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 15 Dec 1992 13:24:36 EST
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

In no particular order:
  Chris Warner
  Norm Breyfogle
  Frank Miller
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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu ("Glenns Lf7z Roses")
Subject: Re: Black artists condemn DC (was Corporate Mainstream...)
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:15:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.030735.14225@zip.eecs.umich.edu> tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:
>In article <1992Dec9.192347.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque) writes:

>>"We do what Stan lee and Jack Kirby did thirty years ago when Marvel moved
>>ahead of DC. We take comics to a higher level and relate them even closer to
>>the real world.....

They wish :^)		

>You looked at any of the ANIA group's actual output? To call it amateurish
>is to insult a number of amateurs. The publisher of Motorbike Puppies had
>some promo material out on the freebie table at San Diego, with its 
>centerpiece being a letter from Stan Lee commenting on the cover of #1.
>Nothing about content, just the cover. I've yet to see any reason to take
>this group seriously, and numerous reasons, including their own ads, to think
>they're racist jerks without much of a clue.

I met the guy behind Motorbike Puppies in Chicago and talked to him
for a while.  He was a really nice guy, and he even gave and signed 3
copies of the thing for me.  He "seemed" fairly lucid, but the comic
was the most obnoxious, amateurish piece of crap I've seen masquerade
as a comic book.  It made your average Marvel look like Ulysses, and I
really can't fathom who he thought his audience might be.

>>"Black written. Black drawn. Black distributed. Black marketed. Black
>>Owned. Black Controlled. BLACK POWER"

Oh.  Black Holes, maybe.

>>If you want to support independent artists, try and sample the work of
>>Kyle Baker (who is black). His comics are among the best in the industry
>>today. He largely supports himself by doing a lot of independent work,

Well, what do you know, a point of agreement. 'Course most of the
people you keep bashing are already Baker fans, but I can't see that
slowing you down :^).

Most of us have favorite characters *and* creators, it's a pretty
natural phenomenon, and it's not going to change.  You see we
cultivate character affinity long before we're able to judge the
creators.  And there are a whole lot more of them than there are of us.

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
......................................................................
"Mayhap Cerebus is too quick in saying he understands this lunatic."
   ---  the Earth Pig Born
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must know
......................................................................

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From: rsholmes@rodan.syr.EDU (Rich Holmes)
Subject: Re: Sandman - Theory
In-reply-to: orlando@gn.ecn.purdue.edu's message of Mon, 14 Dec 92 05:34:44 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 10:39:19 EST

In article <1992Dec14.053444.2908@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> orlando@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter J. Orlando) writes:

>Now, try to bare with me....

I would, but my boss might come in any minute now.

--
- Rich Holmes
"Grown men, he told himself, in flat contradiction of centuries of
accumulated evidence about the way grown men behave, do not behave
like this." -- Douglas Adams
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From: lsmith@peca.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Sandman - Old Gods
Organization: Library Squids of the Poor
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:54:32 GMT

In <1992Dec13.090741.10735@vax.oxford.ac.uk> cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:

> lsmith@atto.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:

>Oh, Lance, Neil says: Look up Capax in a big dictionary. 

Oh, a BIG dictionary. <grumble> And here I was using my Junior Scholastic
Young Adults Dictionary. Hrmph. Where's my Christmas card list? There's
one name I can take off of it right now!

Here's the story on capax. Start by looking in the OED. Just about anything
smaller won't have it because the word hasn't been used much for awhile.
The definition you'll find is something like: of capacity; able and ready
to take or receive; capable; capable of apprehending or understanding.

When I originally started nosing around I did look it up, but dismissed 
this as too dull. Figured there must be something better, right? Now if 
you look in the entomology notes-Bugs?-etymology notes, it comes from Latin 
via Old French. 

So looking up capax in the Oxford Latin Dictionary (another BIG dictionary)
we find similar defintions to those of the OED. However, the fourth 
definition along is "able to deal with or endure." That seems to suit Bernie.
 
Probably not worth the two trips across the mighty Mississippi in this
"rude" weather.
 
>And you were right
>about Tamaris, but it was meant to be Taramis 

But I like Tamaris better! I'd worked out an explanation for that.  

Taramis? Not Taranis? Or maybe Tarani? (Taranis is a Gaulish deity that
the Romans likened to Jupiter, though it may have been a death goddess.
Tarani is sanskrit for savior and is a title for the sun.)

(the printing was screwed:
>Del's eyes are supposed to be different colours in this issue, and all her
>uncoloured word balloons are wrong). 

Gave up on the balloon theory when Del asked for the bubble liquid. I have
a hard time telling the green and blue apart when her eyes are different
so someone else gets credit for that idea.

>> ObReminder: Don't forget to write quality Sandletters to DC this month.
>> Let the sterling work of Elizabeth Holden (in issue #44) serve as an example. 
>With the additional benefit that Neil is doing the next lettercol: Lisa 
>Aufenanger has gone, so we won't be subjected to any more heaps of
>"humourless and self-righteous" letters. The adjectives are Neil's: it was not
>his idea to publish them, nor was he consulted.

>So - be interesting! |-)

But that makes it so much more difficult.

>On the library front, Neil is shelving stuff in his basement library just
>before Christmas. I envy his helpers.

"With great libraries come great shelving."


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    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  I got a good look into the cockpit. You won't
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Grendel War Child is boring
Date: 18 Dec 92 04:46:02 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <APPEL.92Dec17024417@soda.soda.Berkeley.EDU> appel@soda.Berkeley.EDU (Shannon D. Appel) writes:
>I got the idea some months ago that he might be a clone or some such
>silliness of Orion himself.  Isn't it odd that we've neither seen his
>face or heard his name yet?  Things like him knowing all the pass
>codes in the first issue seem to support something like this.  And
>then, there was the most odd reference in issue two "Just before his
>death, your husband was overseeing an extremely secretive operation
>that he refers to only as Project Athena.  Athena, you will recall,
>was the ancient Greek Goddess who sprang from her father's side
>without the benefit of a mother."  Things that make you go hmm.

I thought about that, but then remembered that Jupiter gestated in Orion's
body, so he fits the bill.

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
( Coming soon to a Massachusetts near you! )

"Sing hymns make love get high fall dead,
 He'll bring his perfume to your bed,
 He'll charm your life 'til the cold winds blow,
 Then he'll sell your dreams to a picture show."
					- King Crimson, "The Great Deceiver"
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From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Annotated Stanley & His Monster #1
Organization: The Little Squids of the Annotators
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 03:24:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.214845.20610@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) writes:
>                The Annotated Stanley And His Monster
>                                   
>                          by Andrew Solovay
>                                   
>        Panels 2-3: The text balloons indicate that this is Dream,
>master of the Dreaming, the central character of Neil Gaiman's
>"Sandman".  However, Dream is dressed like the Golden Age Sandman.
>This is a joke.

Sorta. It was originally supposed to be Morpheus. Foglio asked DC for
permission to use Morpheus and they said, "Sorry, no." When Gaiman later
heard about it, he supposedly said that had he been asked he would have
approved it as he trusts Foglio. In the meantime, Phil seems to have used
Wesley Dodd whom DC seems less protective of.

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