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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Aliens the Special Edition
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:53:53 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <5715@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at> mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner) writes:
>From article <xz2mlw#@lynx.unm.edu>, by lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble):
>> kdontas@gmuvax2.gmu.edu ( ) writes:
>>> One question, where did the facehugger come from that was to impregnate
>>> Dallas ? 
>
>There is NOTHING in Alien to suggest the Alien can't lay new eggs.  No
>scene, no remark, no hint.

Nor in the cut scenes is it indicated that it can, either.

>Therefore, the solution, simple, straightforward, and without holes:
>The Alien himself laid the egg that produced the facehugger that
>impregnated Dallas.  This clearly is the intended meaning.

Actually, the premise (as far as I gathered) was that the Alien
cocooned Brett, and the cocoon metamophed into an egg. In the
storyboards and photos, tho, there's no indication that this was
complete, or that Dallas had been impregnanted. A life-cast of
Brett's actor was modified to show 'digestion', and Tom Skerrit
(sp?) was cocooned up, only partly digested.

>> I don't remember how Foster's novelization explained that [...]
>> All three movies have used slightly different versions of how
>> the aliens work -- even if the novelization did come up with something
>> it's not necessarily going to be consistent with Cameron's queen-and-hive
>> explanation. 
>
>"Come up with something."  I really like that.  Face it, it simply is
>Aliens that is inconsistent with both Alien and its novelization, both
>of which came out much earlier.  

Cameron acknowledged that scene. He also stated that since it
wasn't in the final release of the film, it didn't happen, and
proposed his own Alien propogation mechanism that made for a more
enjoyable sequel.

>Since they cut those scenes out of
>the final version of Alien, it doesn't show up too glaringly, but it's
>all Cameron's fault, since he imposed that queen-and-hive-botch on the
>Aliens.

IMHO, also much more realistic, tho less Alien. Personally I
figure the buggers can do both. Smooth-headed drones can capture
living/lobotomized hosts, cocoon them up and produce eggs.
Note how the first Alien captured its first two hosts (Brett
being lobotomized, Dallas intact to host the f'hugger/c'burster)
and killed the others (Lambert and Parker).

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From: moscatel@granite.ma30.bull.com (Joseph Moscatelli)
Subject: Re: Vasquez in Terminator2
Organization: Bull HN Information Systems Inc.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:03:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.152147.16441@cci632.cci.com> das@cci632.cci.com (David Stumme (co-op)) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.121854.12647@mips2.ma30.bull.com> moscatel@granite.ma30.bull.com (Joseph Moscatelli) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug11.110944.7378@sun.pcl.ac.uk> chrisc@sun.pcl.ac.uk (Chris Chamberlain) writes:
>>>I noticed the actress who plays John Connors foster mother is none other than
>>>one Jenette Goldstien (sp?), whom we all know and love as Vasquez in Aliens.
>>>Even rewinding the film and watching the bits with her in again I couldn't
>>>really believe it. She looks so different, where've the muscles gone? Has she
>>>been in anything else? 
>>        
>>Predator II
>
>As who?  The lead female cop?  That was Maria Conchita Alonso (also seen
>in Running Man).  Or was she some forgettable minor character that I've
>(surprise!) forgotten?
     
Opps, my error. I guess that I dwelt too long on the scene where Maria grabs
Hudson/Paxton/Jerry by the groin and said "Way to go, Vasquez."


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From: disaacs@iguana.carleton.ca (Dave Isaacs)
Subject: Re: Vasquez in Terminator2
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:04:39 GMT

In <Bswy3x.3LJ@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au> liebman@newton.physics.uq.oz.au (Ariel Liebman) writes:

>-- 
>I also think she was the MP that got blown away at the begining of 'The Presidio'
>with Sean Connory and Mark Harmon.

Has she EVER been in a movie that she doesn't get killed in?

Dave
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From: serge@dgbt.doc.ca (Serge Ah Hee)
Subject: Re: Movie indentification request
Organization: The Communications Research Centre
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 15:35:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.204822.16912@CERIS.Purdue.EDU> jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath) writes:
>From article <1992Aug14.111421.3464@desire.wright.edu>, by demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man):
>> In article <92227.065231MNHCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, Marty Helgesen <MNHCC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>> ...
>>> We are trying to identify a movie remembered from about 1980.
>>> Here is the plot:  A highly lethal virus escapes from an
>>> experimental lab in Canada.  The first victim is a bird.  Some
>>> children on a snowy playground bury the bird and in touching it,
>>> start the spread of the disease.  A woman flees to the USA, not
>>> realizing she is safe from the disease, but she is a carrier and
>>> leaves death in her wake.  One stop she makes is at a fast-food
>>> place that has just received an order for many sandwiches to be
>>> delivered.  An employee touches the money she gives him and goes
>>> on making sandwiches...
>>> 
>>> Can anyone identify the movie.  We've tried movie index sources
>>> we know of, but hope someone's memory will help.  For all we
>>> know, it might not be a theatrical release, but maybe a TV movie
>>> or even an episode of a TV show.
>> 
>> 	I remember seeing this movie...for some reason I keep thinking
>> "Cassandra Crossing" but that's not it because it's set in Eastern Europe.
>> 
>> 	It was definately a movie.
>> 
>> 	Did you try searching with common subjects like "plague" "black", etc.?
>> 
>> 	Post if you find the answer, you've piqued my interest in seeing it
>> again.
>>
>
>I believe it was "Rabid".  It starred Marilyn Chambers as the
>carrier.   
>-- 
>"Land of song, said the warrior bard,           Jim Heath
>Though all the world betrays thee.
>One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard, (The Minstrel Boy)
>One faithful harp will praise thee."         (Thomas Moore)

I don't think it had anything to do with rabids. Some scientists design a 
bacterie (sp?) that will help plant growth. But the bacterie has a side effect,
it attacks the nervous system...Can't remember the title of the movie.

Serge
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Movie indentification request
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:14:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: desire.1992Aug14.111421.3464
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <92227.065231MNHCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, Marty Helgesen <MNHCC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
...
> We are trying to identify a movie remembered from about 1980.
> Here is the plot:  A highly lethal virus escapes from an
> experimental lab in Canada.  The first victim is a bird.  Some
> children on a snowy playground bury the bird and in touching it,
> start the spread of the disease.  A woman flees to the USA, not
> realizing she is safe from the disease, but she is a carrier and
> leaves death in her wake.  One stop she makes is at a fast-food
> place that has just received an order for many sandwiches to be
> delivered.  An employee touches the money she gives him and goes
> on making sandwiches...
> 
> Can anyone identify the movie.  We've tried movie index sources
> we know of, but hope someone's memory will help.  For all we
> know, it might not be a theatrical release, but maybe a TV movie
> or even an episode of a TV show.

	I remember seeing this movie...for some reason I keep thinking
"Cassandra Crossing" but that's not it because it's set in Eastern Europe.

	It was definately a movie.

	Did you try searching with common subjects like "plague" "black", etc.?

	Post if you find the answer, you've piqued my interest in seeing it
again.

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From: seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Natives Down the River (was re: ALIEN^3 Eggs on Sulaco)
Date: 14 Aug 92 02:26:27 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: seawasp@pmax1.cis.pitt.edu

In article <Bsy5DD.vK@acsu.buffalo.edu> v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:
>     everything else -- the cinematographer, the film editor, the film
>     scorer, the actors and most importantly, the director -- is absolute
>     top of the line, they CAN overcome a bad script.  The stupid bits
>     CAN be edited out, or re-shot later -- and for this movie, they were.

	When? I noticed that most of the movie appeared to be stupid
bits. If anyone edited them out since I saw it, they must have done about
2 hours of reshoots and rescripts.

>     I can't wait to get ALEN^3 on video.  (I've noticed - incidentally -
>     that since I've seen ^3, my opinion of Cameron's movie has gone
>     WAY down... it just seems like the he dropped the BEST things about
>     the first one in favor of action and Rambo-lina type things; and
>     it also seems that Fincher picked the ball back up... anyone else
>     get this impression?)

	Nope. The nearly universal impression of those I know (that is, the
impression of 34 out of 35) who have seen the movie is:

	1) Alien^3 sucked the big one.
	2) Neato cinematography does not a movie make.
	3) No matter what excuses one may give ("homage to the original" or
what have you), the way Alien^3 was done made EVERYTHING in ALIENS 
completely pointless. What point now Ripley's heroic overcoming of her
fear to return to LV426? What point in the sacrifices of Gorman and Vasquez?
The duel between two mothers? 
	4) Not only is it pointless, this clumsy excuse for a script can't
even do us the courtesy of explaining HOW this disaster came to happen.
Someone just decided "let's do it this way" and to hell with continuity,
logic, or anything else. Atmosphere be damned, it does NOT excuse this!

	The PROPER sequel would have followed some of the advance publicity
lines: namely, the Aliens get to Earth. Probably by a Company ship landing
(finally doing what they should have done to begin with) and grabbing
one of the eggs off the alien ship (then either taking the whole ship or
nuking it to prevent any competition from getting it). Ripley and Newt and
Hicks and Bishop would have gotten back home just in time for the fun
to start.


                                 Sea Wasp
                                   /^\
                                   ;;;
From: scavanag@neumann.une.edu.au (Steven Cavanagh)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: ALIEN 3 (eggs on the _Sulaco_)
Date: 16 Aug 92 00:10:03 GMT
Reply-To: scavanag@neumann.une.edu.au
Originator: scavanag@neumann.une.edu.au

From article <1992Aug12.052256.2698@u.washington.edu>, by mcclaine@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Casey):
> 
> 	I can easily explain how the facehugger got into the hypersleep
> 	chamber.  It was shown during the brief flashes at the beginning 
> 	of the movie.  There is first the scene of the facehugger crawling
> 	up onto the hypersleep pod and what follows is a scene where the
> 	facehugger drops some molecular acid onto the clear dome, melting
> 	a sizable hole for the facehugger to make entry into Ripley's
> 	hypersleep module.  The director made it appear that the facehugger
> 	was attacking Newt, but that was only because it showed scenes of
> 	Newt, but NOT actually being attacked.  Anyway, you eventually see
> 	an emergency medical scan showing something attacked to a person's
> 	face and the rest of the story is uncovered with great suspense.
> 
> 	So there, if you are not convinced, then please give it your 
> 	best shot or simply ignore it.
> 

Well I must admit it is a stroke of pure genius.

It got into the hypersleep chamber because..the movie shows that it
got into the hypersleep chamber.

boy, that's amazing.

<sarcasm off>

BTW, has there been a big thread on why the hypersleep chambers were
totally different? the sulaco's chambers in alien 3 were more like
those in alen than those in aliens.



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From: robrod@csa.bu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Alien 4 setting
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:16:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: robrod@csa

I have read several opinions stating that Alien 4 should be set on Earth
and that a creature or creatures should get loose.  I disagree with
these for several reasons:

1) Movies about "monster masses" been released to society have already
   been exploited.  Moreover, these movies were not good, something 
   new movies don't want to be identified with.  Such examples as
   Zombie, Zombie 2, Night of the Living Dead, Critters, and many others
   come to mind.  As I sayed before the Zombie movies resemble a lot the
   Alien dinamics inthat they consist of monsters that either eat their
   victims or use them to make new monsters.

2) If the movie talks about the Aliens affecting the whole population
   you would need to make it into a kind of documentary-type deal.
   The infestation of a whole country or of the earth cannot be easily
   captured on film because it's such an overwealming ordeal, specially since
   Aliens can use any mammal of reasonable size (as Alien 3 suggests by 
   the use of the dog) to eat or reproduce.  This makes the characters
   and creatures difficult to develop.

3) Movies about a single "monster" loose in society have been exploited
   to an even greater extent.  From Dracula to Jason these movies have 
   exhausted the novelty of "a monster is loose."  These movies also 
   include a grand repertoire of alien monsters such as Predator 2,
   Xor, the Blob (the original and the color sequel.  Not the 1988 one),
   The Thing, and Killer Klowns from Outer Space  among many many many
   others.  I mention Predator 2 and not the original because it 
   makes a great point.  In the original we had an extraordinary space
   creature which both scared and dazzled us with its innovative
   concept.  When they tried to bring it to a modern world setting,
   this same incredible organism, flopped.

4) There is no suspence in the idea of Aliens let loose on Earth.  It is
   too obvious they would destroy human life as it is known; at least
   at the time the movie is set at.  Who would want to see a movie about
   Aliens killing everyone?  Where is the suspence?  Where is the 
   excitement?  It is like the Friday 13th movies.  Of course Jason is
   going to kill all the characters (usually with one or two
   exceptions).  Would we have Aliens killing everyone on Earth to have it
   saved by the last 2 human beings who then have to re-populate the
   world?

Because of these reasons I think the series should remain in space and
if it does get to Earth, it should be at the end so we don't actually
see the whole overtaking process.  It is left as a sad last note.

Who agrees with me?
From: murphy@CVAX.IPFW.INDIANA.EDU (Keith Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: amazonia
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:50:02 GMT

For a complete list of these films, you have to include "Pirannah 
Women of the Avacado Jungle" starring "Swamp Thing" veteran Adrienne (sp?)
Barbeau (sp?).
					Keith Murphy
From: dmf@aber.ac.uk (Darren Michael Forbes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: E.T.
Date: 20 Aug 92 09:21:03 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

[Load of stuff about scientists bursting in to Elliots house in
ET deleted.  Too much actually but my editor won't bring it
back.]

>					Dave Barton
>					dlb@hudson.wash.inmet.com

   Is there no special law regarding quarantene (sp?).  I mean, if
Elliot and ET had highly contagious Martian Mumps (fatal in humans)
is it not possible to isolate him without his permission.  Oh and
wasn't ET an illegal immigrant (at least) and if so then couldn't the
police get a warrant easily?


-- 
Darren Forbes  | "Wooden mice know what's nice;    |
dmf@uk.ac.aber |  sawdust cheese and maple spice." | 
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From: eric_gorr@coglab_psych.uoregon.edu (Eric Gorr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Does anyone remember _Nighthawk_?
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:43:51 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services


Do you mean Lady Hawk?  If not, then I don't recall ever seeing this movie.

In article <92227.132026JMH131@psuvm.psu.edu>, JMH131@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> 
> 
>  A movie I saw when I was just a slip of a lad was _Nighthawk_ which I thought
>  to be one of the greatest fantasy movies I've ever seen.  I saw it years ago
>  on the late movie on a CBS station, but I haven't seen it anywhere since, and
>  I can't remember a lot of it since I was only little.  Does anyone remember
>  this movie any better than I do?  All I remember is that the music was pretty
>  cool, a stone hand letting go of a glowing sword in the prologue before the
>  credits, and a giant holding a rope in his teeth to keep a boulder or
>  something from falling on him that was attached to the other end of the rope
>  above him.  --John.
> 
>
From: dcutter@oregon.uoregon.edu (dann cutter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Got IT! ALIENI (4)
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:17:19 GMT
Organization: Stellar Enterprises

Okay here's a plot idea... I just started writing the screenplay last night
(anybody now how to get somebodies attention down there in Hollywood - hee
hee)
	Anyways - ALIENI (4)

	Plot summary (so far): Future... The Company has finally managed to get a
special army team to LB 1?? and found the alien ship... Their not stupid
this time and kick some alien ass. Taking samples home, they nuke the site.
Stargely also they find that it is an alien ship, but had a starmap
opreinted on Earths system. Later... back at the lab they discover vital
information is contained in the species cell's DNA which points to earth
bound genetic engineering. 
	Past... The Computer... a creation of Cyberdine is losing the battle to
the huminoids. Sending two terminators had failed, though it (unknowingly)
had it future changes by the second attempt. Now an Organic computer
system, The Cyberdine machine must turn to the battle now... Setting up a
Biological weapon, it engineers the perfect destroyer... The Alien. But as
it is finished on a space lab, The computers core is destroyed below by
Connors forces. Uncontroled, a nuclear engine rockets the defense platform
into deep space. The alien Hybernates.
 Future... Slowly they put together who built the alien. But then hell
breaks loose. Cause (gets shakey here, but I am working on it) really a
core part of the Cyberdine AI was still alive and was incorperated into the
Companies machines. It is still fighting, but this time, it hunts for its
creation to wreck havok on the humans without them knowing its the machine.


More as I figure it out... I think its pretty nifty tie in and ending
though, cause we can fuck the company, get some nasties on earth... and not
have a stupid sequel to T2... comments anyone... mail or post. thanks...

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From: ken@batman.austin.ibm.com (Ken Goach)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies,rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Highlander - the TV series
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:53:54 GMT
Reply-To: ken@batman.austin.ibm.com (Ken Goach)
Organization: IBM Austin, TX

mschmitt@eagle.wesleyan.edu posts:

#If it takes place during the interim between Ramierez's (sp?) death and the
#Gathering in New York, I think it's got potential.  If it takes place after
#Highlander II, well......

Agreed!

What they *must* do for at least some of it is follow up on what happened
between the 1500's and the first film. We in America only got to see
the humorous duel on Boston common with Bassett. What about all the
other adventures - the wars, his coming to America, whatever? It'd
be like a time travel show without time travel, a fugitive trying to
protect his secret identity and still living a life. And along the
way, he could run into various other immortals...he he.

I could even handle the future stuff, but not if its done like "THE
SICKENING!"


THIS POSTING DOES NOT REPRESENT THE OPINIONS OF MY EMPLOYERS.
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From: gdg019@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Ridley McIntyre)
Subject: Re: Vasquez in Terminator2
Organization: Ironpig Arcadia, Coventry, UK
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:25:55 GMT

So far I've spotted her in Presidio, Aliens, Terminator 2, Near Dark
and an episode of Max Headroom that I once had on tape. Second series,
I think. 

Any more?

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