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From: jslee@nrtc.nrtc.northrop.com (John Lee <jslee>)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: FWD patrol cars (once Re: CHP Beretta(!) sighted)
Date: 23 Dec 92 00:12:27 GMT
Reply-To: jslee@nrtc.nrtc.northrop.com (John Lee)

! bpita@ctp.com (Bob Pitas) writes:
!
!You know, I always thought this expression "you can't outrun a radio" was one
!of the stupidest sayings ever...  What, is there a radio that can somehow
!know where the bike is even though the pig is sitting in a dustcloud, 5
!miles back?  Can the radio make the other pigs creating the roadblock know
!which way the bike is going without someone keeping up to him to *see* where
!he's going?  It would seem to me that once you get out of the direct sight
!of the persuing pig, you could take any one of dozens of different routes, 
!and the pigs couldn't possibly have the time or resources to cover them all.

	By broadcasting your last known direction of travel and description
	every police car in the area has the chance of encountering you
	during routine patrol if they are not out specifically looking
	for you. It doesnt seem that stupid of a saying to me nor do it
	give it 0% credibility as you apparently do.


JSLee
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From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: WHAT GM to Buy?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 13:46:47 GMT

In article <BzHns7.B9I@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.025053.1@vax.sonoma.edu> oberland@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
>>I need help.
>>
>>My father has a friend who is in her 70's(should be around for 10-15 more
>>years, though).  She wants a nice car.
>>Problems:
>>She will only consider GM cars.
>>V-6 is a plus
>>Luxury cars are OUT, as she wants to spend as little as possible.
>>Small cars are out as well, a are sporty cars(she's no rece-car driver,
>>BUT she still drives competantly.
>>
>	Maybe a LeSabre, or a Park Avenue, depending on $$ concerns.
>	Even a Regal sedan.  Olds 88 or 98 too.

i wouldn't buy an OLDmobile...i doubt they will be around 2 years from now...
let alone 10.>
From: jek@icf.hrb.com (Joe Karolchik)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: LH test-drive results (by a buyer)
Date: 31 Dec 92 15:25:41 EST
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.

In article <1hvamiINNcji@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, aq456@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Terry Quinn) writes:
> 
> up to about 20 mph.  I then took it on up to 110 mph with no 
> problem, and it was eager for more, but given that the roads were 
> starting to ice up, I chickened out.  Given the rate of 
> acceleration at that point, however, I'm sure it would have been 
> able to bury the 120 mph speedometer (unless it had a speed 
> limiter circuit?).  
>  
After everyone has either complained about or commended their respective 
dealer on the issue of trust (whether the dealer gives you the car to test
drive by yourself), I read this post and I asked myself if this might be the
reason that some dealers are paranoid.  Although it seems logical when you
test drive a car to see what it's got in the handling department, I can 
imagine how a dealer would react to you saying, "Oh, it handled wonderful
at 110 mph.  No wind noise, and it was still accelerating.  I could've hit
120, but the roads are kind of icy."  

I'm not making a comment about Mr. Quinn's driving abilities here (since I 
don't know Mr. Quinn).  What I am saying is that perhaps dealers have 
experienced test drivers who pushed a car too far, only to end up with a 
totalled demo on their hands. That would be cause for some paranoia on the 
dealer's part.  Also, as a potential customer, would you buy that car if the
dealer said, "Well, we have had this car up to 110 mph, and it's very 
competent."  Wouldn't you wonder if the car's been abused?

Joe Karolchik
State College, PA


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: boo@athena.mit.edu (Christopher J Foley)
Subject: Saturn SL2: the REAL test drive..
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 07:51:01 GMT

I've seen a lot of test drive results on the Saturn SL2...

I test drove my parents' SL2 again while home for christmas.
took some liberties you might not take with a dealer's car.
traction control does work, but you may switch it off.
ABS works.
speedo works in reverse, BTW.
but the big news...
105 mph indicated top speed.
that was on a somewhat hilly road (hey, I had to go where the police weren't)
and with what felt like a nasty crosswind, but might have been a head wind,
cause I was actually dissapointed in that figure. 124Hp, 2600 pounds, very
slick aerodynamically, what gives? My kawasaki 500 is faster.
Maybe the wind? I couldn't turn around for the reverse course.

does anyone have the car magazine top speed test results for this car?
I'm curious now. tell me and I'll tell you whatever you need to know that I
can remember, otherwise you'll have to wait till I go home again.

actually, for a front wheel drive car, it handled really well, it has
enough power for moi, the interior is really nice, the stereo sounds very
good, my only complaint is that the paint job has this weird texture to it
under the clearcoat.

I'm lookin at used RX7s for my first car, but when I can afford it, I'd buy a
saturn. just imagine the custom performance stuff you could do to it.


Kid Oreo
From: knotts@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Tom Knotts)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:22:14 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Flywheel batteries as EV power source
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.autos


> Maybe the flywheel isn't safe. Could it be used in a smaller capacity 
> to augment accelerations from braking energy? All of this discussion is
> conjecture, but aren't ideas wonderful to ponder?

Let's assume that it is determined from prototypes that the flywheel is
unsafe for cars. What about using them in different applications? For
example, storing electric power generated at night by a power plant, and
re-released during the day when demand is high.  These storage
facilities could be built in remote areas and contained in massive
containment buildings.

Just a thought.

Tom
From: rambler@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Dan Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Chain Driven "New" Cars?
Date: 2 Jan 93 18:45:04 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

ce423@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Josh Lackey III) writes:
>
>
>  The only thing that concerns me about these cars is how the transmission
>is linked to the gearbox. The engine is not tranverse mounted, but 
>longitudinally mounted which is fine. The car is front wheel driven,
>which is also OK. The transmission mounts to the back of the engine,
>and is very similar to the conventional front-engine/rear-wheel-driven
>design, but is linked to front gearbox using a chain. 
>
>  I'm wondering what the reliability of this design will be after say,
>50,000 miles, and am wondering if any other recent model front wheel driven
>cars have chains in the drive trains?  If so, how realiable have they
>been?
>-- 

My wife's 83 Buick and my father's 76 GMC motorhome both have a transmission
that uses a chain between the torque converter and transmission. The Car has
over 100,000 miles, and the motorhome has 80,000 miles. I also own an '80 AMC
Eagle with 200,000 and full time 4 wheel drive. I finally replaced the
transfer case at about 160,000 miles when the drive chain for the front wheels
slipped whenever I goosed the motor at low speeds. 

Based on the above experience, I wouldn't worry about the chain. it is about
the most reliable part of the trasmission.

-- Dan Meyer

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From: jmh@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jeffrey M. Hoffmeister)
Subject: Re: Best undercover car
Organization: absolutely none whatsoever
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 00:42:39 GMT

In article <hhelanto.724739792@vipunen.hut.fi> hhelanto@vipunen.hut.fi (Henri R Helanto) writes:
>In <1992Dec15.202401.17969@draco.macsch.com> jes@downey.dev.macsch.com (John Schiermeier) writes:
>
>>In article <1gfujjINN1lq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>>>
>>>In a previous article, david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) says:
>>>>Houston Police Department has several Camaros for highway traffic enforcement
>>>>(complete with those silver 5 spoke rims, your tax dollars at work!), and I've
>>>>seen Harris County sheriff's in the same.  Nothing tops that Jersey Village K9
>>>>unit I've seen.   An open Jeep CJ-7 with all the police trims (paint, decals,
>>>>light bar).  Looks hilarious!  Almost drove off 290 into a ditch when I saw 
>>>>that thing doing 50 in the fast lane...
>>>
>>>my home town (mt. vernon) has also the camaero.  Along the lines of the
>>>jeep..the city where i used to go to college had a suzuki samarai with all
>>>the decals, light bar,etc..it was rather amusing too..
>>>DREW
>
>>The university where I went, Washington University in St. Louis, used to
>>have Cushmans for the campus police, with lights and everything.  Now
>>they have Tauri, which are probably a bit more difficult to maneuver
>>on the walkways.
>
>	The bestundercover cars I've ever seen are something like:
>	1. MB300E AMG (160mph+!)
>	2. Lancia Delta HF Integrale (AWD, 6.6sec 0-100kph)
>	3. Ford Sierra Cosworth (140mph+!)
>	4. Opel Calibra 4x4 16V
>	5. Ford Transit Van (3.0l, less than 9sec 0-100kph)
>
>	...All in use by Finland's highway patrol... *shrug*
>
>-Henri
>
>
>-- 
>Henri Helanto - SysOp
>hhelanto@vipunen.hut.fi m40176m@puukko.hut.fi
>Call MyBBS (+358-0-485067/485068/485968/485918/488139, 24h) !


Well here in CT we have an undercover Ice Cream Truck that patrolls side 
streets and quite neighborhoods.

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From: markn@ssd.comm.mot.com (Mark Nowak)
Subject: Help Needed with Shift Lever Resistance
Organization: Motorola
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:10:31 GMT

I drive a manual transmission '87 Chevy Nova with 104,000 miles on it.
I'm still on the original clutch, and it's not slipping (seems fine).
In the past month, it's been getting harder to shift between gears.
It used to be a lot smoother, but now I can feel resistance and hear
the shift a lot more.  It's usually worse when it's cold when I'm
just starting the car and gets a little better as the car warms up.
The clutch is hydraulic, but the fluid level is fine (I've checked the
level and pumping the clutch doesn'y help at all.  I've had the manual
transmission fluid replaced and that had no effect as well. 

Any ideas would very much be appreciated.  I'm afraid that if I take the
car in they'll make up something complicated (and expensive) up when it
might be something easily fixed.  If you have any ideas, please let me
know.  Thanks.
-- 
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Motorola, Inc.                      | grasp the laws of the whole world.  When
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INTERNET: markn@ssd.comm.mot.com    | therein lies perfection. - I Ching
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mattern@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Duane Mattern (Sverdrup))
Subject: WANTED: used solenoid actuated Fuel Injector
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 23 Dec 1992 12:27 EST  

I'm looking for a used solenoid actuated fuel injector.  The
junk yards that I've been to won't sell them separate from the
engines.  Anyone know where I can get one,...on the cheap?
I know I can get a new injector from the Ford dealership
for about $84+tax, but I wanted to pay a lot less.

Duane Mattern
Sverdrup @ NASA Lewis, M/S 77-1, 21000 Brookpark Road, Cleveland, OH
(216)433-8186	(mattern@mars.lerc.nasa.gov)

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: tasallot@mprgate.mpr.ca (Mathew Tasalloti)
Subject: Re: Emblems, names and meanings...
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 19:55:42 GMT

:( Pontiac "we build exitement"


I thought Pontiac was supposed to be "The Heartbeat of America"!


=============================================******>>

  Mathew Tasalloti		Internet: tasallot@mprgate.mpr.ca
  MPR Teltech Ltd.
  Vancouver, BC, Canada   

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: Car bras
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 20:09:13 GMT

In article <92357.110207SROWELL@ESOC.BITNET> <SROWELL@ESOC.BITNET> writes:
>The US seems to be the only country in the world that uses these 'Car
>Bras' (correct me if I'm wrong). Whenever I see a car with one of these
>vinyl sheets strapped to the bonnet, it's often one of those cars that
>have those parking sensor probes sticking out of it, the hifi blaring out
>through heavily tinted windows and driving conspicuously slowly so everyone
>can notice 'the wheels'.The owner probably still has the polythene wrappers
>on the front car seats!
>
>No, Car Bras are very silly and if you don't tailgate (as has already been
>pointed out by some sensible gentleman)you are very unlikely to need one.
>
>Save your money and buy a small pot of touch-up paint...
>
>Simon

DITTO

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen)
Subject: Re: toyota trucks
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 14:48:22 GMT

In article <24585@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> kemasa@ghost.hac.com (Kemasa) writes:


>The person never said to see what others paid. Yes, the invoice is more
>constant, just not more valid. It is not the dealership vs. the car buyer,
>but instead it is the dealership vs. salesperson vs. the car buyer.
>Don't think that the salespeson has access to all the facts. They have
>access to what the dealership allows them to have access to.

First of all, the invoice, at least, tells you the upper limit of what
you should pay. Which is normally a few thousand less than MSRP. Also,
how significant are you claiming holdbacks to be?

john
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From: mills@athena.lkg.dec.com (George Mills)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 1990 Audi 100 SUCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!e+10
Date: 23 Dec 92 05:09:26 GMT
Distribution: na

vat10@diag.amdahl.com (Victor A. Tirva) writes:

>It was not American companies which were attacking Audi.  It was a couple of
>people and their enterprising lawyers.  The media jumped in because it was
>such an exciting concept.  Similar allegations about Fords GMs and Hondas had
>been made before but had not generated an exciting 60 Minutes news story.
>Pretty soon everybody who wrapped their Audi around a tree could easily blame
>the car rather than look like a bonehead.

>You beleived the stories but bought one anyway?  They insulted you but you 
>bought one anyway?

>Feet are an extension of the body.  Why, all of a sudden, after years of walking
>down stairs successfully, do people suddenly tumble down and break a leg?
>Defective stairs? Not watching where they are going?

You folks are all grasping at different stories to defend your
case (as I am). From car companies attacking audi, 60 minutes making
money, audi admiting the problem and fixing it. I don't pretend to be
an expert on the "Flying Audi's". I saw and read what "I" saw, as did
you folks. I'll bet there are a 100 models on the road today with just
as lethal problems. Always have always will. Because one model Audi
had a problem (still unresolved at the time I was looking to buy) it didn't
stop me. But I sure did stay away from automatics :-). What I did not like
is the way they handled it.

But based on my 87 audi purchase I now have a "going away gift" for Audi.
It's a bill-of-sale with GMAC.

P.S. I didn't bring this dead issue to life, one of you Audi defenders
     did.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mcelmury@plains.NoDak.edu (Michael McElmury)
Subject: A couple questions...
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 04:14:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

I generally don't read this newsgroup so I'm sorry if these are "worn 
out topics." I have two items that I would like the net's comments on:

1. Has anyone found the 1993 Ford Probe GT high to insure? I am
   24 years old, single, spotless driving record and American
   Family Insurance wanted to charge me $3,200 per year for full
   coverage. This price would go down to $2,700 when I turn 25...
   still too much as far am I'm concerned for a $18,000 (pretty
   much loaded) car. The city I live in is only about 110,000 people
   too! (population plays a difference in figuring premiums) Has
   anyone any comments??

2. Does anyone have any opinions about the 1993 VW Passat GLX. It
   has the new V6 (I believe it is at least new to the US edition
   of the car). I know VW's are, in general, very reliable and fun
   to drive vehicles. I'm assuming this is also true with the Passat
   GLX. Also, what would be a good price for a pretty much loaded
   (4 door, leather, 5 speed, large list of standards) 1993 GLX?
   I found one for $22,000 plus tax and license....is that
   acceptable?

Thanks for your input!

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: hm002b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (PRIMUS SUCKS!)
Subject: Honda 1992 EX Coupe and ABS Brakes
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 18:12:11 GMT

In arti

I was wondering is the Honda ABS any good? Also is the ABS on a 1992 Honda
Accord EX 3 or 4 channel?


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ACUS05@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Paul Anderson)
Subject: Re: Car phones
Organization: Motorola
Date: 21 Dec 1992 06:31:48 MST

tony@scotty.dccs.upenn.edu (Anthony Olejnik) writes:

>My wife wants a car phone for Christmas.
>Is there a FAQ on these?
>Is there a more appropriate newsgroup then this one?
>I really don`t know where to start on this one (and its
>late as it is).
>
>Any help would be *GREATLY* appreciated.

I would recommend a hand-held phone.  This provides the convenience and
security that comes with having a Cellular, but mobility and functionality
is greatly increased.

The hand-held unit will cost more, but the installation of the permanent
mounted phone will offset the difference.  There are many different ones
out there.  I will leave the recommendation of which one up to someone
else.


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From: drparul@goldwing.ksu.ksu.edu (TRANSCEND  G O D)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: looking for haynes manual on renualt "fuego" 2.2 ltr
Date: 29 Dec 1992 19:38:57 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: goldwing.ksu.ksu.edu

 i need a manual by haynes for fuego (renault) 1984 car
 

 shri j k


:wq
From: esl_manager@gimme.uh.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Saturn's Allegedly "Noisy" Engine
Date: 29 Dec 1992 20:48:48 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
Reply-To: esl_manager@gimme.uh.edu ()
NNTP-Posting-Host: gimme.cc.uh.edu
Keywords: Noise, Price, Imports

Hi Saturn enthusiasts,

I have been reading quite a lot of literature on the Saturn line of cars
and finally went to a local dealership for a test drive. It was quite an
eye-opening experience. I sum up the experience into two catagories:
likes & dislikes. Before you begin, please bear in mind that I have
never owned an American-made car and I am still open to buy one if they
are comparatively better.

Car tested: SL2, 4dr, DOHC (twin-cam), 5-speed
Date tested: 24th Dec, 1992

Likes:
1) [Steering]: As far as its ability to make U-turns in very tight
swings, I must say that it very impressive, compared to other cars of
the same (or almost the same) size, like the Honda Civic and Acura
Integra.
2) [Handling & external noise]: As for the shocks, struts performance, I
would rate them excellent, considering the cost of the car. In short,
the handling feels firm when the situation calls for it, like when
you're negotiating a nice curve at, say, 45 MPH, but at the same time,
it is more comfortable than most Japanese cars when the car goes over
bumps or holes. The interior of the car seems to receive significantly
lower noise level when the car is going over bumps or holes compared to
the Honda type of cars.

Dislikes:
1) [Engine Noise]: The subject matter of this posting tells it all ---
noise. You may not believe me, but I feel that the engine-noise level of
the SL2 is higher than my Acura Integra RS 1988! I couldn't believe my
ears when I drove it. Could someone illuminate me on that matter? Is it
the noise of the timing-chain or some other design problems?
2) [Transmission]: The gears are a little heavy and sticky. Maybe I
should try another SL2 elsewhere but that was what I felt when I drove
it. May be someone can explain to me. Could there be a major difference
between Japanese transmission and that of American technology?


Conclusion:
I would try as far as possible to buy American but considering the fact
that the price of an Acura Integra RS and that of a Saturn SL2 is pretty
close, I have no doubt that the former is a better buy. Note that I have
not test-driven the latest Integra yet. I was basing my comparisons with
my current 1988 Integra. That was how hard I was trying to buy
American.

--
Arthur



From: genet@hplsla.hp.com (Gene Taylor)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:31:34 GMT
Subject: Re: Sales slime lies (was Re: Chevy truck doors)
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

When I was shopping for a new car at a Nissan dealer (1986), they
had added extra profit to the MSRP (manufacturer's suggested retail
price) and used some kind of acronym that made it hard to tell what
it was.  I told the salesman that I would pay $500 above envoice
for the car and he tried to tell me that MSRP was their envoice
price.  I gave him several opportunities to extract himself from
this obvious lie but he never backed down a bit.  I walked.

-Gene
From: tkpowell@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Terry Powell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: used acura integra
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:33:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1992Dec19.232257.15957@leland.Stanford.EDU> eytan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ethan Joseph Alpern) writes:
->I am looking to buy a used car.  I have tentatively decided to buy a 1990
->Integra.  I would appreciate any advice as to whether this is a good car
->to buy.  I have looked around and have found some for $9200-$10000.  Does
->anyone know where to go to get the best deals on used cars?  
->My e-mail address is eytan@leland.stanford.edu.
->

I have a 90 RS 5sp, 33K, bought new 1-90.  Most excellent car.  Zero
problems.  I really run it hard, redlining it often.  Use Mobil 1 15-50
changed at 3K intervals.  Recently replaced wheels/tires with 205 50 15s 
(FittiStars/Yoko509s).  Handles great.  I bought mine new for 11.5K but it
has no stereo or air (less weight -:)).  I see them in Portland area used
for $8 - 9K with air/stereo etc.  

Terry