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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:09:12 PDT
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From:         Stephanie Fishkin <fishkin@ALUDRA.USC.EDU>
Subject:      APA Report

Welcome back to those of you who went to APA!  I am sorry that I was unable
to hook-up with you at the dance at Union Station (I did come and search for
familiar name-tags, but to no avail!).  Tim, I'm sorry I never called, but
I'm not to keen on jogging in the rain;  e-mail me next time you are in
So Cal.

For the rest of you folks, what little of the convention I actually attended I
quite enjoyed (majority of my time was spent showing my mother around the
city). The highlights, for me at least, included:

1.  Former surgeon general C. Everett Koop gave the keynote address. He
noted that while this time he got a lengthy applause even before speaking,
last time he spoke before the APA, he got booed after having to cross a
line of people protesting his speech. I am curious about this and was wondering
if anyone could elaborate.  He talked about the need for some form of nation-
wide health care, oulining the form he was advocating as well as discussing
the role psychologists -- practitioners and researchers -- could take.

2.  A panel of social psychologists discussed ways in which social psychology
has been omitting the social group in theory and research, and ways in which
this could be damaging, as well as offering ideas for change.  Someone spoke
on intergroup realtions research, another on health psychology, a third on
violence against women.

I'm sorry that I was unable to see the new APA building or the traveling
psychology exhibit.  Can anyone who did happen to see these talk abou them?


DC is really a wonderful city! The Smithsonians (some of the only
free museums left in the US) are filled with objects so diverse that everyone
should find something interesting.  The Natural History museum had an exhibit
called Seeds of Change, which focused on how the interaction between the
old and new worlds affected disease, diet, and a number of other things. The
American History Museum (which I'll admit is my favorite -- American kitch and
memorabilia just gush from this place!) was filled with familiar objects,
such as Oscar the Grouch, Dorothy's Ruby Slippers, and a Foucoult's pendulum.
They also had a hands-on exhibit entitled "The Information Age" which was all
about how computers, TV, etc, have affected our lives and lifestyles.  If
any psycgradders ever hear that the book based on the "From Parlor to Politics"
exhibit (about the changing role of women in the political arena) ever gets
published, PULEEZE e-mail me ASAP!

Any other psycgradders care to share their experiences with the group?
Stephanie at U of So Cal (fishkin@usc.edu)
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From: cgk26737@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (C G Kolar)
Subject: Re: Computer Languages
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:54:42 GMT


i don't think that intimidating-looking code should deter someone
  from considering c++.  the choice seems to break down as 
  follows:

1.  if this is just a requirement that you want to get rid of so you
  can move on with your life, then take pascal.  it is more
  accessable for a beginner.  if you just want to get through
  this class then you have a better chance of liking yourself
  in the morning if you take pascal.

2.  if you want to write simple programs to take care of things
  such as repeated calculations, then you will be well off
  with pascal.  again, it is easier to learn and you should be able
  to pick up the specific tricks necessary to your projects without
  considerable pain.

3.  C++ is more difficult to learn, but that is because the way
  that it structures, addresses, and handles data is not as
  "common sense" as pascal.  it is more difficult to learn,
  but with a decent teacher and some time it is possible to come
  around to thinking like the language.  (this is from my own
  experience -- i found myself meditating in order to figure out
  how to implement pointers and structures.)
   if you intend on taking your work with the language you choose far,
  then c++ also seems to offer you more room to expand.  once you 
  get the hang of it, it is relatively painless to develop nice user
  interfaces -- an important consideration if you are planning to 
  develop software for other people to use.  if you are seriously
  considering application development, then c++ would also appear to be
  a better choice, as it offers good support for developing windows
  apps.

so, c++ is a more difficult choice, but working on it does have
  payoffs.  i not use c/c++ exclusively.  if you have limited 
  goals, however, pascal will probably allow you to do everything 
  that you want without as large an initial investment
  in learning.

--chris

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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:53:00 PDT
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From:         UNGER@MVSA.USC.EDU
Subject:      Re: cheating
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I agree that cheating is easier in undergrad than in grad
school.  (After all, in a lecture hall packed with 300
people taking the same exam, you have to try hard NOT
to see what the person next to you is writing!  I knew
cliques of friends who went through 4 years of college
sitting together and copying every exam.  Sometimes the
prof would get smart and make up 3 forms of the exam
with the questions in 3 different orders, but then all
they did was trade exams with the person 3 seats away
when the ta wasn't looking.  Our school had exam files
in the library which most people used as practice tests,
but sometimes they were outdated.  The Greeks--Julie,
you must have thought we were all so prejudiced!!!  That's
so funny how we Americans are so ingrained in our culture
that we forget how our language sounds to others.--
Anyway, the Greeks always seemed to have more and newer
exams, and they even had the ones that the profs thought
they didn't have.  I don't know of anyone who cheated ALL
the way through undergrad, but I know a lot of people who
cheated very often.
Anyway, cheating in grad school....
At first glance it seems like it should be harder.  The
profs know everyone personally, nothing is multiple-
choice anymore, etc.  But there's something very
disturbing I've noticed in our program--the requirements
aren't exactly the same for everyone.  Some people
mysteriously get permission to waive a class requirement
without doing anything to demonstrate that they know the
material.  Some people don't turn in an important paper
or don't do a presentation and still end up with a B+
or A- in a class.  Some people's 20-hour-a-week RA-ships
seem to take them about 40 hours, while others' take about
5.  Because of this, we have a lot of resentment and whispering
and gossiping among the students about favoritism.  Does that
happen in other programs too?
Jennifer at USC
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 10:22:16 -0400
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From:         "Kenneth V. White" <kwhite@WAM.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      RE: INTRODUCTION
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Linda writes:

> The "experts" say that eating disorders are caused by a feeling of lack
> of control in one's life, but I feel that the blame can be strongly
> associated with pressures that the media puts on us!
> Linda

I would agree that the media is a major contributor to our ideal/actual
self-image discrepancy, and that is no doubt much of what drives the
multi-billion dollar diet industry in the U.S.

I do, though, have to pass on an incident that happened to me as an
undergraduate.  I was taking a class on "feminist perspectives in
sociology" (don't laugh, Kathy -- and, yes, I was the only guy taking
it!).  We had periodic guest speakers, one of whom was a woman who
had written a book called "The Myth of Obesity and the Medical
Conspiracy."

She began innocently enough making many of the same
points that Linda raised (with which I agree), but soon her argument
became a slippery-slope into positing that there are no valid
data on medical problems resulting from extreeme obesity (say 100+
lbs over average weight).  I raised the issue of heart disease,
stroke, diabetes, and kidney problems which we hear about so often.
"No, no.  Those studies are usually on small samples and are only
correlational.  Most of them have serious design flaws," she replied.

Then we got into the whole self-image thing, and pretty soon the
stand-by cliches began bouncing around the room:  "You should love
yourself JUST THE WAY you are,"  "It doesn't matter what others say,
as long as YOU ARE HAPPY doing YOUR THING."

Anyway, she went on say that you should eat as much as you want (I
swear I'm not making this up!), and if you are 150 or 200 pounds
overweight, Great! -- as long as you are _happy_.  She concluded by
saying that if we had been living in a world a few hundred years
earlier, fat people would be revered, and celebrated rather than
scorned and made to feel guilty.  Fine, but they'd be keeling over
with infarcs at 45.

Folks, I'm no fan of guilt (really) or societal cruelty as a a
means to facilitate greater health.  I think there are much
more honest, compassionate ways.  Unfortunately, there are just
one too many conspiracy theories out there for my taste, and
_in my opinion_ the above arguments are a crock.  But
it wouldn't surprise me to see this as the next hot topic on
the talk show circuit.

Thoughts anyone?

Kenn "I admit I drink Diet Coke" in College Park
kwhite@wam.umd.edu
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From:         "CLSTAD::LDUNN" <ldunn%clstad.decnet@CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: manic depression
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I once worked with such a person. He told me that sometimes he simply did not
want to take his medication. For example when he had a date he said that he
wanted to experience the "highs" rather than emotional stability which he
thought would make him boring.
Linda
Go Raiders!
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:32:00 EDT
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From:         "David M. Fresco" <FRESCO@UNC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: manic depression

Gerri et al.,
 Yes the consistency in responses is interesting.  Along the lines of
what Steph @USC wrote, Kay Jamison is the second author on a Manic
Depressive book that is quite possibly the most definitive text on that
disorder.  I don't recall the title or the other author's name, but it's
an amazing book.  Oh, the connection to Steph's post which I meant to
include:  Jamison is interested in the realtionship of Biplolar and
creativity.
David Fresco
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:35:00 EDT
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From:         "David M. Fresco" <FRESCO@UNC.BITNET>
Subject:      query: The C.A.G.E. questionnaire
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Greetings all,
 If anyone is out there this evening and can respond soon, I would
appreciate it.  I'm looking for the reference to a four item alcoholism
questionnaire called the C.A.G.E.  I think the authors are either
(Ewing & Rouse, 1970) or (Ewing, 1984).  Thanks in advance for any
prompt replies to fresco@unc.oit.unc.edu
                  fresco@med.unc.edu
                  David Fresco
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:52:43 EDT
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From:         Monika Trzcinska <054470@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: manic depression
              13 Aug 1992 14:53:00 PDT from <UNGER@MVSA.USC.EDU>

God, this is confusing!
I thought there was only one Jennifer on PSycgrad.
I am not annoyed with anyone, and I did not mean to confuse anyone !
In my posting I was referring to Jennifer, who wrote about Lithium and a
patient, who would go of it, in order to maintain his/hers creativity,
Hope this helps to clarify everything.
:)


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 "Before we can have applied science, we must have a science to apply"

                                                              D.O.Hebb
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Date:         Sat, 15 Aug 1992 19:48:00 CDT
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From:         Julia <JCSP@KSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      AEP, cheating, competition

Just got caught up on reading my mail and would like to make some comments
on past discussions.

1) AEP programs?
Our grad program does not have a clinical division.  However, the discussions
of applied/theoretical and clinical/research perspectives read as if an
assumption is made a priori that all programs are clinically oriented.
All grad students in our program are required to take the core courses (6 out
of 7, I think. I forget exactly since I'm done :) )  plus two quantitative
courses.  E.g. core courses are cognitive, learning, social, etc.
research emphasis.
I study psycholinguistics and advertising and I don't really see much of a
connection to clinical questions. After we complete the core courses, we are
free to take any grad classes at the university which fit our interests.
Is this similar to or different from other AEP programs?

2) Competition and cheating in grad school?  Ideally, here we are colleagues.
However, we also have the "I have a good excuse. Can I turn it in late"
few who wait until the last minute to start a paper/project/presentation
and are not penalized.  Or how about the people in class who never
read the materials and get the same grade as those who did, based on papers,
presentations, and participation.  Graded on inherent ability?
Typically, however, it has also been these students who dropped out
or are perceived as being behind schedule by the faculty.

I have heard of grad students (now graduated) who, when taking a core,
"borrowed" a paper from another student who had already taken the class
and used the majority of the material in their own paper for the class.

Or,  how about this: one professor ranks everyone in class for the
end-of-the-semester evaluations.  The kicker is:  the criterion is his own
student (one of the non-readers mentioned above).  When
the ranking was questioned, the reason for a lower ranking was that my ideas
did not _resonate_ (sp?) with the professor as well as the criterion's did.
(How does one operationalize that?)

Does anyone else have this kind of experience or am I operating in some sort of
twilight zone?
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:55:00 PST
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From:         ldunn@CSUPOMONA.EDU
Subject:      Introduction
X-To:         psycgrad <psycgrad@acadvm1.uottawa.ca>

Hi! My name is Linda Dunn. I am starting my graduate program next month
at California State University, Long Beach (I am so excited!). The
program is "Student Development in Higher Education". I have been working
at California State Polytechnic University, Pomona in the University
Advising Centers for three years. I graduated from CSPUP in June, 1991 as
a Behavioral Sciences major.
I am looking forward to communicating with all of you through the
PSYCGRAD. I am interested in issues of retention in higher education,
learning disabilities, and the Los Angeles Raiders!
See you on the network!
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:14:24 MDT
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From:         std_martin@HG.ULETH.CA
Subject: Re: Cultural Bias or Cultural Diversity?

Julie,

A hundred years ago you would have had to learn German as the international
language of scholars, and before that French.  Who knows, maybe in a
hundred years we might have to learn Finnish??  :-)

Jesse
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:26:54 EDT
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From:         Eric Zorrilla <zorrilla@CATTELL.PSYCH.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: SAS list
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>
 >******************************************************************************
 *
>    *
> >            /^\ - /^\        Ellen Galloway
> >           (   lxl   )       Henley@psy.psych.nova.edu
> >            \ /l l\ /
> >               l l           A mind is a terrible thing to waste
> >               l_l
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My guesses:

1)  A new projective test
2)  A flacid phallus
3)  An elephant (topical because of the convention)

Eric Zorrilla
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Date:         Sat, 22 Aug 1992 01:25:03 EDT
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From:         Ellen Galloway <henley@PSY.PSYCH.NOVA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: SAS list sig
              18, 92 5:17 pm

>
> ==>
> ==> >
> ==>
>
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> ==>  *
> ==> >    *
> ==> > >            /^\ - /^\        Ellen Galloway
> ==> > >           (   lxl   )       Henley@psy.psych.nova.edu
> ==> > >            \ /l l\ /
> ==> > >               l l           A mind is a terrible thing to waste
> ==> > >               l_l
> ==> >
> ==>
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> ==>  *
> ==>
> ==>
> ==> My guesses:
> ==>
> ==> 1)  A new projective test
> ==> 2)  A flacid phallus
> ==> 3)  An elephant (topical because of the convention)
> ==>
> ==> Eric Zorrilla
> ==>
>
> 	"x" marks the thalamus?
> 	Pin the "x" on the amygdala?
> 	A cerebellum celebration?
>
> 	Are we having fun yet?
>
>
> --
>     rick.adams on GEnie   /|\        You are right from your side,
>      adamsr@netcom.com  /  |  \        And I am right from mine.
>     adamsr@irie.ais.org \ /|\ /  We're both just one too many mornings,
>    adamsr@norwich.bitnet  \|/  And a thousand miles behind. (c Bob Dylan)
>

I don't know about you but I'm having a blast.  It's a labrys.   Ellen



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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:02:13 EDT
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From:         Tim Tumlin <UFTRT@NERVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Manic-depression and medication issues

Some time ago, while I was away, someone asked why a person with
Bipolar Disorder would discontinue taking lithium.  As I understand
it, the lithium doesn't always even out the swings all the time.
The lithium has to be monitored carefully for toxic effects and
therepeutic level in the bloodstream, which can vary.  When the
patient moves into a somewhat manic phase despite taking the
medication, he/she decides he/she doesn't need it anymore because
of the great high and sense of well-being and acceptance. Once
they stop taking it, of course, then the swings really become
extreme.
Some may discontinue because of the side effects, but that's a
separate issue with almost all psychoactive drugs.
Tim
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From:         BARR@UOFPORT.BITNET

SIGN OFF C BARR
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:32:44 EDT
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From:         "Matthew Simpson" <054340@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      QUERY re: Practicum Hours for Clinical Students
X-cc:         Gretchen Conrad <307549@uottawa.BITNET>

This is a re-hash of a previous question.  However, I would like a better
clarification please.  PLEASE RESPOND.  We are presently modifying our
clinical program.

I need to know how many clinical practicum hours each of your programs
are inviting you to do.  How many hours of practicum experience does
your program, as a policy, provide for each of its clinical students before
they apply for internships?

Please send me the number of hours.  Please, do not send info. on number of
credits.  Credits are not equivalent across colleges and universities.
Please indicate the name of your program and if it is APA accredited.

Thank you very much, in advance, for taking the time to send me this
information.

If you wish, you could forward this letter directly back to me while
supplying the answers to these three questions.
(forward letter to 054340@acadvm1.uottawa.ca)
(            or to 054340@uottawa.bitnet)

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Number of Practicum Hours = ________
Name of Program =
APA accredited?
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Thank you.
Sincerely,
Matthew Simpson

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From:         std_martin@HG.ULETH.CA
Subject:      RE: body-image disorders

I don't know, some of us men definatly see ourselves as "biger"
than what we want to be:-)

Jesse
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