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From: mhorbove@digi.lonestar.org (Mike)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: tu rumor
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:45:54 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications, Plano Tx.

In article <1992Sep9.143601.13198@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
>
>
>  Heard a rumor that the University of Texas would be moving to the 
>Big 10/11/12.  Can anyone confirm or deny this with authority?
>
>
>semper fi,
>
>Jammer Jim Miller 
>Texas A&M University '89 and '91
>
>* Speak for my employers?  They don't even know I exist!		       *
>*"Become one with the Student Billing System. *BE* the Student Billing System."*
>* "Power finds its way to those who take a stand.  Stand up, Ordinary Man."    *
>*      ---Rik Emmet, Gil Moore, Mark Levine: Triumph 		               *
>
>
>semper fi,
>
>Jammer Jim Miller 
>Texas A&M University '89 and '91
>********************************************************************************
>* Aggie in Cougarland -- I just work here.				       *
>* Speak for my employers?  They don't even know I exist!		       *
>*"Become one with the Student Billing System. *BE* the Student Billing System."*
>*             *********************************************		       *
>* "Power finds its way to those who take a stand.  Stand up, Ordinary Man."    *
>*      ---Rik Emmet, Gil Moore, Mark Levine: Triumph 		               *
>********************************************************************************


with authority??  i doubt it but how about an opinion??  here it is anyway:
UT not tu will not make a move without shamu, i mean TAMU.  i would hope
that the SWC will not diminish.  they should try to entice other schools
in joining.  maybe bring OU back to the SWC???  why not.

mike

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DSC Communications Corporation                 Plano, Tx  75075
From: rszczerb@steinbeck.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: ND's DuBose Situation
Date: 5 Sep 92 16:43:19 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <BILLMS.92Sep4174323@z.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
>
>On top of that, you were trying to get a rise out of some fans by posting
>toung-in-cheek inflamitory notes.  So I responded in kind, trying to get a
>rise out of you.
>
>Bill
>--

OK ... I agree.  I guess all's fair in love, war, and college football flames. 

		- Rob
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: delaw@eos.ncsu.edu (DOUGLAS EDWARD LAW )
Subject: Re: ACC Games this week.
Organization: North Carolina State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:43:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.045145.17760@hubcap.clemson.edu>, trev@hubcap.clemson.edu (Trevor Bauknight) writes:
|> cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell) writes:
|> 
|> >Duke could score 21 points against FSU's defense. Clemson had a tougher
|> >game than expected, but pulled everything together to win. On a hunch...
|> >Clemson 17 Florida State 16
|> 
|> You're very gracious.  Not sure I'd put my money on that one, though.
|> 
|> >FURMAN AT NORTH CAROLINA:  The first of 2 easy games for the Tar Heels,
|> >with Army visiting next week. UNC was impressive in their opener against
|> >Wake Forest and they appear to be much improved this year, as everyone
|> >expected.
|> >North Carolina 24 Furman 14
|> 
|> EASY?  Keep in mind that Furman is supposed to be better than the Citadel.
|> I don't know if that's true yet, but don't expect UNC to have an easy
|> time defeating the Paladins, if indeed they do.  Remember the Furman-
|> Georgia Tech game last year?  That wasn't exactly an easy win for Tech...
|> UNC may be improved, but they're not THAT improved.  (Bold prediction,
|> the second Southern Conference victory over Division I-A opponents in
|> as many weeks...Furman 17, UNC 13.)
                              ^^^^^^

   Carolina's running game alone is worth more than 13 points. The Heels went with a two QB system against Wake Forest - Jason Stanicek and Mike  Thomas. Thomas was the stronger of the two. His passes were sharper and he could run the option better than Stanicek. Therefore, I think he will be the starting (and only) quarterback for Carolina for the rest of the season (barring serious mistakes). In other words, Carolina is going to have a high scoring offense that will offset weaknesses on defense. 
   
   But speaking of Carolina's defense...they apparently are vulnerable. Poor Wake Forest didn't have the players to exploit Carolina, but I think Furman does. I would put the score at...UNC 35, Furman 21. 



    
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From: jvbutera@grad04.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera)
Subject: FSU vs Clemson
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 13:15:06 GMT

Wow, this was an exciting game (not quite as good as Georgia/Tennessee).
Just when I thought FSU was going to romp, Charlie Ward throws another
interception.  

Anyway, the best to FSU. But with their road schedule, I wouldn't be
surprised if they have some other tough road ACC games (but they should
hang on to win....)

-- 
Jeff Butera <> Math Grad Student, N.C. State <> jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu

DISCLAIMER: My views are my own and I'll be a big N.C.State Wolfpack 
fan as soon as hell freezes over.  Until then... Go Clemson Tigers!
From: ds4@soc1.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: New Fight Songs (ND and Michigan)
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:08:58 GMT

Liked the revisions :)

~ds4
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From: wyborsr@wl.com (Russ Wyborski)
Subject: BYU-SDSU
Organization: Warner Lambert / Parke-Davis
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:29:15 GMT

	I thought the game last night was incredibly entertaining. 
Marshall Faulk deserves every award he gets, and probably a few that
he won't. My question is why can't any team in the WAC play defense
or is it that the offenses are that much superior. I enjoy to see
scoring in games but if I watched that league consistently I may 
become numbed by the whole thing. Any ideas?

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From: lein@base.ctt.bellcore.com (John Leinaweaver,,RRC-4A720,699-2322)
Subject: Re: Penn State update <more bad news>
Reply-To: lein@base.UUCP (John Leinaweaver,,RRC-4A720,699-2322)
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Piscataway, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 15:14:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.164731.21063@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.040337.19510@icf.hrb.com> mjk@icf.hrb.com (Michael J. Kelley) writes:
>> In article <1992Sep1.202745.9944@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann) writes:
>> > In article <1992Aug29.064049.19496@icf.hrb.com> mjk@icf.hrb.com (Michael J. Kelley) writes:
>> > 
>
>
>Honest folks, this is my last words on the current topic.
>A couple of comments here and then in the article written
>by Lohn Leinaweaver "Bob's Bashing of Penn State."
>

Hi Dobert :) (thanks for spelling my last name right)

>
>Here's my point.  Two players were arrested possessing stolen goods
>and in one's car were additional stolen goods from other apartments
>that were broken into.  They were caught red-handed, arrested, detained,
>released, and allowed to practice with the team.  This last was
>substantiated by another poster quoting an AP article in the
>Washington PA Observer.  I think it is wrong to allow felons, drunks,
>drug abusers, etc., to continue practicing with a college team.
>

Two players arrested for Breaking and entering, stealing, etc.  They
are arrested, charged, book.  Joe Paterno Suspends them from the team
indefinetly.  What else does a coach do, suspention means gone from the
team.  

>
>You're right, I should.  But, tell me, how much does the story
>change if I said classmates dormitories and it really was
>off-campus apartments.  Do some of their classmates live in
>off-campus apartments?  My daughter goes to Stockton State College
>and lives in an off-campus apartment.
>

It doesn't and it didn't

>
>I say: if a player is caught stealing, taking/buying/selling drugs,
>in public drunkness, violating the team's code of conduct etc.,
>there should be disciplinary action in the form of separation
>from the team for a period of time.  The word up there is
>"caught" not "charged."
>
>
>The fact that thousands of kids do anything doesn't make it right.
>The football team has a code of conduct.  No?  Any penalties for
>violating this code of conduct.
>

I think giving the kid a chance to enter a rehab center and kept on the team
with limited capacity is fair.  Most universitys/the military/civilian
corporations do the same. 

>-- 
>"Listen up son, and pay attention.   |  Bob Dieckmann (rwd@mtfme.att.com)
>How ya' gonna learn anything if you  |  GO: Mets (& dear old Rutgers)
>always got your head in a book?"     |  I probably should've included smileys.
>                -- Foghorn Leghorn   |  **usual disclaimer**

Lohn J
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From: jvbutera@grad01.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera)
Subject: Re: ACC This Week: Predictions and Such
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 02:09:31 GMT

In article <9209101709.AA04146@walt.disney> chill@walt.UUCP (Curtis Hill) writes:
>
>Responding to some of the ACC predictions and such for this week's
>games.
>
>FSU at Clemson
>
>Unless Hatfield spent the summer at Bill Walsh's house, Clemson won't
>be able to put enough points on the board to beat Florida State.
>The only scenario that will save Clemson is to score or be put in 
>excellent position to score via FSU mistakes.  I'm looking for a
>bit of a blowout.   FSU 24  Clemson 13

You call an 11 point margin a blowout against a top 10 team? So what
happens when FSU beats teams by 34?  Is it nuclear?

Just curious....


>Curtis Hill
>star3!walt!chill@mcnc.org


-- 
Jeff Butera <> Math Grad Student, N.C. State <> jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu

DISCLAIMER: My views are my own and I'll be a big N.C.State Wolfpack 
fan as soon as hell freezes over.  Until then... Go Clemson Tigers! 
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From: cjm5628@ender.tamu.edu (The Muckster!)
Subject: LSU fans
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 10:10:31 GMT

Wow!!!  I escaped Baton Rouge without having bottles thrown at me,
or having garbage thrown on me from the upper level of the stadium,
and with all of my body parts intact!  I have to hand to the LSU
fans, they showed some genuine class at the game this weekend.  
I listened to a call-in radio show after the game and the LSU fans
were very positive about their program and about the direction that
it appears to be going.  It looks as if Curly Hallman has gotten
their perspective focused and has laid out a plan with a timetable
for the program there.  I have to admit, I do prefer to have LSU
on the schedule when they are a perennial top 20 team, but the 
antics of some of the more obnoxious fans I could live without.
It looks like Curly has the program headed in the right direction,
and maybe like the shoe is on the other foot.  Does anyone out there
know why RC Slocum lets Greg Hill say the things he says?  (Hill
told the press that he would have between 150 and 200 yards vs
LSU, and more blah, blah, blah)  It is not RC's style to let that 
kind of stuff go on, A&M has traditionally let its talking be done
on the field.  Sure, I like Greg Hill, and I am looking forward to
a GREAT season from this A&M team; but doesn't he realize that this
kind of talk is the stuff that has fired A&M up to really pound
its opponents?  (ie, BYU, Notre Dame, TCU <-- probably not anymore,
Wacker is gone, thus the badmouthing of A&M from TCU will probably
ease up).  Note:  I never heard one BYU or Notre Dame coach or 
player predict massive victories over A&M, it always seemed to be
more or less the press and/or alumni that caused the tension.

well, enough of that stuff, I haven't slept for a while, and it is
late....

cmuck
From: amconn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Football as a Castration Complex
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:40:16 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Heard on the radio this AM that coach Jackie Sherrill of Mississippi State had
a bull castrated in front of his team before the Texas Longhorns game. He
justified this stunt by saying (and I paraphrase): It was motivational and
educational. Most of the team didn't know what a steer was.

I hope MSU never plays Indiana. Sherrill: "Okay, what's a Hoosier? You don't
know? Get me a Hoosier and a knife!"

Connor/Castigat ridendo mores
From: jli@bingham.utah.edu (Jianliang Li)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: PENN STATE 49 : TEMPLE 8
Date: 12 Sep 92 22:04:00 GMT
Organization: University of Utah


	The final score of today's game was:


		PENN STATE 49 : TEMPLE 8

	Anderson: 2 TDs and 100+ YDs.



	*******************
	JLI, PENN STATE '90
	*******************
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: CFPOOL: Week #1 results
Keywords: nn
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:13:40 GMT

>|> goob and I decided to give everyone a head start...  :-)
>|> 
>|> Watch out next week, I might move up 10 positions!!!
>                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>So, you've decided to give up picking those SWC teams too! :-)
>
>(aTm not included - gotta have one "bread and butter" team).
>
>Kevin H. Klinge

I can excuse Tech for losing to Oklahoma and Rice for losing to 
Air Force, and even Houston for losing to a good Tulsa team, and
maybe even Texas losing to Mississippi State; but what I can't
excuse is Texas losing to Mississippi State by *18*!!! points at
home, and Baylor losing to Louisiana Tech at home and a 16 point
favorite, TCU losing to New Mexico...

I am just thanking the heavens that Chris is throwing out a low
score or two...  anyone care to guess where this weeks score is
going?  ;-)

Well, as for A&M, it looks like we are in the clear now, at least 
until Thanksgiving.  Most of these games should be good practice 
for our offense, they need it.  RC needs to sub a quarterback when
we get leads, Granger is most likely leaving after this year.  Our
schedule isn't one full of landmines, but at least we added the
Pigskin Classic to bolster it a bit, also added Oklahoma for the
next two years.

cmuck (so long from the Single Winner Conference)


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From: jcho@nmsu.EDU (CHO)
Subject: Re: SI Preseason Top 20
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
	<Btv3tM.Hsy@news.larc.nasa.gov> <17v6b1INNgv2@agate.berkeley.edu>
	<BtwEyF.x6@news.larc.nasa.gov>
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 20:40:39 GMT

In article <BtwEyF.x6@news.larc.nasa.gov> mln@sunkj.larc.nasa.gov (Michael L Nelson) writes:

   wft@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Tell) writes:

   >And notice how California has 5 teams in Bowls to begin with.  :-)

   point taken.

   >But my comment was more directed about the problem of only one
   >team from the PAC-10 in the SI poll, not about the other teams
   >from California.   

   I'm not trying to defend SI specifically, just stir up some ECMB. :-)

   >Clemson was still the ACC champ.

   But at that time, they were probably not the best team in the ACC.
   The days of Clemson dominance are over.

   >Michigan is in the Eastern Time Zone.  They get help from it.

   I suppose.  And as far as UW thumping michigan, I would like to
   dredge up:

   1.  So did FSU ("wah!  FSU didn't beat 'em that bad...")

Forget this argument... UW did not play UMich at UMich...they 
played them in the Rose Bowl which in my opinion is in Pac-10
country (deep in Pac-10 country...) Not bringing down UW...they
were damn good... But, this comparison with FSU's performance isn't
even valid.... If you wanbt to take late season schedule strength
then its FSU all over the Huskies... 

   2.  And we have already established that when discussing Michigan,
       we may remove select plays from the opponents.  So let me apply
       that here.  "If you took away all of UW's td's and fg's, Michigan
       would have won."

Remarkable....some people never get it.  They win a co-national championship
and they are already talking like they've won it 10 times straight.

   3.  The B1? champ taking a spanking from the P10 champ is hardly news.

Seeing how its in Pac-10 country...you're right...its hardly news.

   >I'm from the East Coast myself.

   No, I mean I'm *really* east coast.  Like, the east coast pretty
   much ends at my front door.  So I think that makes me in charge
   of the ECMB.  :-)

   Michael Nelson

Yeah...thats my thinking too...

					JCHO@nmsu.edu
From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: ND/Mich: a tie; Lou Holtz is a hypocrite...
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:17:03 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan

In article <1992Sep13.005116.1868@m.cs.uiuc.edu> bharat@cs.uiuc.edu (R. Bharat Rao) writes:

   The play call was inexplicable.  Even if the play had resulted in a
   touchdown, it would still have been bad, because ND would have had
   1:30 left and a chance to tie or win.  And, until then they had played
   it perfectly churning up time as they moved about 30-40 yards and used
   up 3+ minutes.  A deep pass earlier would have made sense, but at this
   juncture it was asking for trouble.  Much better to keep moving it up
   the field and try and kick the field goal with very little time
   left...

Moeller was obviously (from my viewpoint) terribly worried about the rookie
kicker.  Remember the long try on 4'th down early in the game?  Only time
will tell if he knows something we don't, i.e. the kicking game sucks.

   One further point that struck me was that when MOELLER ELECTED NOT TO 
   CALL TIMEOUT, he let ND run the clock down to 112-13 seconds and 3rd
   and long.  This essentially gave the Irish two free shots at winnig
   with very little chance of losing.

This one doesn't bother me much, even if it took away our chance of winning.
Remember, even with a 17-17 score, both offenses were moving up and down the
field.  I thought the ND wideouts had a pretty darn good day.  Gary was
playing defense for a tie, not to gain a slim chance of going for the win.

Bill
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	billms@eecs.umich.edu
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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: Notre Dame schedule (was: Weekly top 25 )
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 19:13:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.140755.20415@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@steinbeck.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.150314.10811@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> robertd@ecs.comm.mot.com (Robert Day) writes:
>>
>>>THIS LAST
>>>WEEK WEEK  SCHOOL      W L T  Results of Last Game         Next Game
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 3    3  Notre Dame    1 0 0  WON at Northwestern, 42-7   at Boston Coll, 9/12
>>> 6    5  Michigan      0 0 0                              at Notre Dame, 9/12
>>
>>Who says ND's schedule is easy?  They play
>>Michigan AND Boston College next week! :) :) :) :)
>>
>>Rob
>>-- 
>Actually I heard ND is sending the Varsity to play Boston College this
>weekend and sending one of it's intramural football teams up to Michigan
>in the hopes of making it a closer contest.  :)

According to a recent LA Times, USC opened the 1933 and 1934 football
seasons playing two games, simultaneously.  (Or, at least, on the same
day.)  They split their squad to do it.  Fortunately for them, the opponents
were total wimps, so USC stomped both opponents both times.  I suppose
the fuddy-duddy NCAA, which wouldn't even sanction a one-time-only end of
season playoff game last year, doesn't allow for such unusual scheduling,
nowadays.  

--
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu
From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Michigan vs. Notre Dame
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:57:33 GMT
	<1992Sep9.154543.19393@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <BuCprF.9vn@ais.org>
	<BILLMS.92Sep10110911@z.eecs.umich.edu>
Organization: American Math. Society

In article <BILLMS.92Sep10110911@z.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:

   >No bitching, just the facts: Because of his stats last year, if Elvis were at
   >ND he would be considered the clear, rock solid, #1 favorite for the Heisman.

Well, Bill, I'm as true-Blue as you, but I really think that the
reason he's not considered the #1 Heisman favorite is that everyone
believes Howard made him look better than he really was.  How many
times did Howard catch poorly-thrown Grbac passes?  I remember one in
the N.D. game, and one in the Ohio State game.  There must have been
more.  I don't think it really adds up to that many, but I still think
that many people have that perception.
From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Michigan vs. Notre Dame
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:09:11 GMT
	<1992Sep9.154543.19393@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <BuCprF.9vn@ais.org>
Organization: University of Michigan

In article <BuCprF.9vn@ais.org> ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston) writes:

   >Question:  What was Grbac's pass completion percentage last year?
   >
   >     - Pat
   >.
   >-- 
   >- Patrick E. Fleming ---------------------------------------------------------

   Elvis completed 65% of his passes last year for 2,085 yards, 

Addendum: this was the top completion rate among the top 20 or so qb's listed
in TSN preseason mag.


No bitching, just the facts: Because of his stats last year, if Elvis were at
ND he would be considered the clear, rock solid, #1 favorite for the Heisman.

Bill
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	Bill Mangione-Smith
	billms@eecs.umich.edu
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