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From: redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie (Judge Raz)
Subject: Olympics Swimming Results.
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:52:07 GMT


I have just posted
the top 3 finishers in every event so far in the Olympics
with times, where available, to rec.sport.olympics.
Hope someone finds them useful.

Judge Raz

redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie  |    ~~~    |  You got nobody now you want my soul 
Donncha Redmond        |    o-o    |  Now can't have none of that 
National Swim Team     |     ^     |  Tell her whatta say Mace 
Ireland		       |    `-'    |  Say no go		-- De La Soul
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: butscher@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Adrian Butscher)
Subject: Synchro Favourites
Organization: University of Toronto Physics/Astronomy/CITA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:26:07 GMT


GO  SYLVIE!
From: sag@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Goldfield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Swimming Pool Water Quality: Combined Chlorine
Date: 29 Jul 1992 16:56:43 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: hera.berkeley.edu
Keywords: chlorine, baquacil, biosoft

In article <1992Jul29.115106.7734@acd4.acd.com> mjt@iedv7.acd.com ( Mark Teegarden      ) writes:
#>
#>On a different note: has your friend with the allergic reactions tried
#>swimming in a pool that uses a non-chlorine sanitizer like Baquacil or
#>Biosoft. I have a friend here at work who gets an itchy rash when
#>exposed to chlorine. When I get my pool switched over to Baquacil, I
#>was going to invite him over for a test drive to see if he experienced
#>the same reactions. (disclaimer: I am not endorsing that product, 1. I
#>haven't tried it yet. 2. It is the only non-chlorine sanitizer
#>available in my town presently.) The dealer I spoke with has said that
#>the Baquacil system has been EPA approved for residential use, but not
#>for commercial use yet as there is no automatic feeder designed for
#>this.
#>
#>Has anybody else had any bad or good luck with a non-chlorine sanitizer?
#>
#>--Mark

I recall swimming in the Dartmouth pool when I was in college
25 years ago; it was new then. They were using a bromination
system which was much more stable than chlorine (bromine isn't
as volatile since it's heavier) and I recall no irritation to
the eyes; we didn't swim much with goggles in those days.

A friend of mine recently commented that bromination is
also cheaper. If so, I wonder why it hasn't spread more.

Steve Goldfield
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: pan@panda.Stanford.EDU (Doug Pan)
Subject: freestyle kick effort
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:22:29

I go fairly fast and don't get winded while use floats between my legs
to practice freestyle pulling.  I can also make good headway on a
kickboard.  However, when I discard the floats and kickboard, I feel
that my legs are taking up a lot of energy and have to breath much
harder.  The worse part is that even though my legs may be working
hard, I don't seem to be going much faster than pulling with floats.

The faster swimmers in the pool seem to kick fewer cycles (left/right)
per arm cycle and it is not uncommon to see swimmers with a one-kick
cycle.  I've even seen a few not kicking altogether.  I have a
three-kick cycle.  Wonder if you have any experience/insights on this
matter to share?

--Doug
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: bpaul@maths.tcd.ie (Barry Paul)
Subject: The Three Energy Systems.
Summary: Does anyone have last weeks post about the above?
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 09:17:20 GMT




Did anyone save the post about the three main energy systems?
If so, could you either repost it or mail it to me?
Thanks.


-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Protect me from what I want" - Jenny Holzer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Barry Paul, Computer Science,                                bpaul@maths.tcd.ie
Trinity College Dublin, Ireland                                   (01) 702-1531
From: chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Spitz Could Have Done It If Only He Had ....
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:04:00 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: regenmeister

From article <91220006@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com>, by lkc@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Lee Casuto):
>> Mark Spitz failed miserably in his attempt to return
>> to the Olympics after an 18 year layoff. He didn't
>> even qualify to go the US Olympic Trials!  He stated
>> afterwards (this is paraphrased): "If I can't do it,
>> it can't be done!"
>> 
>> Well, the most recent issue of SWIM magazine has an
>> article by Dr. Phil Whitten about his research into
>> perfomance vs. age.  The conclusion about Spitz was
>> that IF HE HAD KEPT SWIMMING instead of laying off
>> for 18 years, he would have had a very good shot at
>> making the team.  Phil's projected time for Spitz if
>> he hadn't layed off would have put him in third at the
>> trials by just few hundreths.  As the article states:
>> Tantalizingly close to an Olympic berth.
>> 
>> Bruce Cheney
>> ----------
>> 
> 
> I can't remember where I found this out, talk show, news paper article,
> wherever...
> 
> It seems that during his training, Spitz slacked off during the workouts.
> (Like in skipping portions of sets, then claiming to have done the set.)
> I remember the interviewer stating their disappointment in the attitude 
> presented.  I'm sure the layoff hurt, but I believe the attitude problem
> was a bigger obstacle.  Whether Spitz could have gotten fast enough to
> qualify is another story entirely.
> 
> l\

When Spitz's time came out and it was obvious that he would not make it,
our coach said that Spitz would have made it if he had taken 3 years to
do it.  Apparently 1 years is not enough.  

Of course, if he was really slacking his workouts, 10 years would not
have been enough.

Chris Prael
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Swimming Pool Water Quality: Clarification
From: murphym@bclcl1.im.battelle.org
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:09:33 EST
Organization: Battelle, Columbus, OH

Just to clarify my terms:

Free chlorine is chlorine in the water, present as hypochlorous acid.   
Free chlorine is effective for disinfection and not particularly 
irritating.                          

Combined chlorine is chlorinated hydrocarbons and chlorinated amines
(chloramines) formed by the reaction of free chlorine with water
contaminants.

Total chlorine = Free chlorine + Combined Chlorine.  Total chlorine is
important mainly because there is an analytical method for total chlorine
and one for free chlorine, thus allowing combined chlorine to be 
obtained by difference.  Because combined chlorine is obtained by 
difference from two other measurements, I sometimes question the accuracy 
of very inexpensive colorimetric test kits, especially those with only
a few standard color levels.

Superchlorination is a process whereby a large amount of free chlorine is
added to complete the oxidation of chlorinated hydrocarbons and 
chloramines to relatively inert products.
From: lkc@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Lee Casuto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Anyone know swimmer Summer Sanders from Stanford?
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:14:17 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

> Who knows, maybe she IS one of the few who hasn't let talent and
> fame go to her head.  And if that's the case, let's hope it stays
> that way.  Frankly, if she starts endorsing candy bars or fitness
> centers or some stupid commercial stuff like that, I'll be quite
> disappointed.  We have enough sell-out artists and athletes as it
> is.

It's real hard to say no to lucrative contracts.  I don't like the 
sell-out much either, but then again no one has ever offered me
$1,000,000.00 (whew, look at all those 0's) to say Cheerios are the 
answers to all the world's problems.

l\
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: James Peters <peters@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: endorsements Was:Summer Sanders from Stanford?
Originator: peters@mikey.convex.com
Reply-To: peters@convex.COM (James Peters)
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:09:25 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <136820002@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> lkc@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Lee Casuto) writes:
>> Who knows, maybe she IS one of the few who hasn't let talent and
>> fame go to her head.  And if that's the case, let's hope it stays
>> that way.  Frankly, if she starts endorsing candy bars or fitness
>> centers or some stupid commercial stuff like that, I'll be quite
>> disappointed.  We have enough sell-out artists and athletes as it
>> is.
>
>It's real hard to say no to lucrative contracts.  I don't like the 
>sell-out much either, but then again no one has ever offered me
>$1,000,000.00 (whew, look at all those 0's) to say Cheerios are the 
>answers to all the world's problems.
>
>l\

on the subject of olympic swimmers cashing in. the color commentary
on anita nall showed an interview with her parents noting she has
foregone ncaa college swimming eligibility in favor of professional
endorsements, most notably calvin klein. hopefully the deals she
cut prior to her performance in the olympics won't be voided. i know
she choked in the 200m breast, how did she fare in the 100m?

the women's 4x100m free relay was way awesome. jenny thompson's anchor
leg was phenomenal.

take care,
james, peters@convex.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: ganesh@cs.umn.edu (M. Ganesh)
Subject: Remaining underwater
Followup-To: ganesh@cs.umn.edu
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 08:10:20 GMT

Hello,
I remember reading some newsreport around the 1988 Olympics period which 
said that in one of the swimming event (probably breaststroke or backstroke)
the swimmers remained underwater for long periods in the initial stage. 
Therefore the rule was amended (sometime around that time) to put a maximum 
time which you can spend underwater before you surface in that event. 
Could anybody tell me which event that was and what the rules involved were? 
Also how long did the swimmers actually remain underwater before the rule 
change (maybe 3/4 of the length of the pool?).

I shall be much obliged if you mail me directly at the above address.
Thanks in advance
ganesh.
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From: fdg@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Frank P. DiGiuseppe)
Subject: Re: Most impressive arena?
Organization: McGill Research Centre for  Intelligent Machines
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 23:46:01 GMT


In article <1992Jul30.105645.17707@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE>, kirchner@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Robert Kirchner) writes:
|> 
|> Which is the most fascinating, most impressive arena for watching a NHL game?
|> 
|> Don't rank by home team, but criterias like noise made by cheering fans,
|> support when team plays not very well, show, entertainment before the game
|> starts and during breaks, music, architecture, tradition, ...
|> 

Well, if we're not taking into account the team, I'd have to say
Maple Leaf Gardens. I've been to the Forum as well, and while it
definitely has that winning tradition, it's lost that "historical
feel" that the Gardens still has. The Forum was renovated in the
60's whereas the Gardens has been relatively untouched (at least it
sure looks like it :-) except for some "refurburshing" - and you feel
like it's still the same building that the great Leaf teams of old 
used to ply their trade in.

And when the Leafs are doing even half-decently, the crowd can be
as loud as anywhere.

My two cents,
Frank
-- 
Frank P. DiGiuseppe	McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines
fdg@mcrcim.mcgill.edu	"Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth
	    And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;" - J.G. Magee Jr.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan)
Subject: Re: fighting in hockey (or any sport)
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:53:15 GMT

>>
>> Has Gretzky ever fought? I don't see anyone making him fight. What's the
>> problem? Has Gretzky ever been slashed, crosschecked, etc. There's the
>> problem. Too many people think hockey will become popular (in the US) if
>> fighting is more severely penalized. NOT!
>>

Well, he was hit into the boards from behind during the last Canada Cup...

>  I do remember way back when  when Gretzky got into a fight with a Minnesota
>high-rank scoring player.  As the announcer put it " A Gentleman's fight."

Yes, Gretzky has fought. (There's even a clip of one on Don Cherry's
Rock-em Sock-em Hockey.) It wasn't much of a fight though. Kurri was
involved too. No punches, just lots of grabbing of sweaters. (Sort
of like ballet.)

However, keep a few things in mind:

When Gretzky was an Oiler, he had a 'Policeman' named Dave Semenko.
If an opposing player would so much as look at Gretzky, Semenko would
take him apart. That was one of the reasons why Gretz was able to
score so many points.

Now that he's in Los Angles, he doesn't believe in fighting. Now,
its common for other teams to put a shadow on Gretzky (something
which wouldn't have happened in his Edmonton days). Now, he gets
knocked around quite a lot. Now, he's having troubles with his
back, etc.
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: fighting in hockey (or any sport)
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:47:01 GMT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:

>
> Has Gretzky ever fought? I don't see anyone making him fight. What's the
> problem? Has Gretzky ever been slashed, crosschecked, etc. There's the
> problem. Too many people think hockey will become popular (in the US) if
> fighting is more severely penalized. NOT!
>
>
> Tom
>
  I do remember way back when  when Gretzky got into a fight with a Minnesota
high-rank scoring player.  As the announcer put it " A Gentleman's fight."


Dave Shariff Yadallee
yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All!
yankee: (n) a person with long, yankable hair
From: dstein@rhea.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Who are the greatest European hockey players
Date: 26 Jul 92 02:52:18 GMT
Reply-To: dstein@rhea.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Distribution: rec.sport.hockey
Organization: UCLA, Mathematics Department


  Who are popularly judged as the best Czechoslovakian players?
 
  I will name only players from the 70s on, as I do not know that
  much about hockey players before this (unlike in soccer).


  Vladimir Dzurilla (G), Jan Suchy (D), Vaclav Nedomansky (O),
  Frantisek Pospisil (D), Jiri Holecek (G), Vladimir Martinec (O),
  Peter Stastny (O), Jiri Bubla (D), Jiri Kralik (G), Dominik Hasek (G).
  [ G=goalie  D=defense O=offense ]


  I'm sure I left out someone.  Ruzicka is a border-line case, but he's
  certainly NOT looked upon as the Czech Gretzky.  Jagr might be looked
  upon as such now, though I think he needs to be given more time.  Also,
  few Czechs have seen him in action for long, as he left very young and
  has not played on the national team very much.

  I think Stastny is looked upon as a sort of Czechoslovakian Gretzky,
  with Martinec close behind.  But I have not been home for a long time,
  and I have not seen any polls for all-time best players.

 - David

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I'm not a native speaker of English, so I'm not sure what I wrote.
Flames will be ignored unless you post them in perfect Czech.
================================ - David (the metamathician) - ===
From: dmeister@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Darren Meister)
Subject: Re: Has Brad Marsh been traded??
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:58:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.141340.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
>I was is a bar yesterday (Monday July 20) and there was a TV in the 
>far corner with TSN's SPORTSDESK on.  Any way, they showed a picture 
>of Brad Marsh and an Ottawa SENATORS logo -- can I assume he's been 
>traded? 

By Toronto To Ottawa for .... future considerations

-- 
Darren Meister                                  dmeister@watserv1.waterloo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Renegotiation
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 23:06:01 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.183241.2221@cs.cmu.edu> lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes:

>Because unlike Barry "King of the Choke" Bonds, Barrasso and Jagr proved
>they can handle the pressures of the playoffs and perform well.  If Barry had
>just shut up and put up during the playoffs, no one would be complaining about
>his salary demands and calling him greedy.  But for 2 years in a row, he's been
>a bust during the playoffs.  In the opinion of a lot of fans, he's done nothing
>to prove he's worth 30 million.  And that's why they're complaining.

Lori, no offense intended, but I think this is a *very* unfair characterization
of Bonds' performance.  Remember, first of all, 4 teams make the playoffs in
baseball, while 16 do in the NHL, so the regular season (i. e., making sure
that the team gets to the playoffs) is much more important.  It is also 162
games long, with the playoffs going a maximum of 14 games (8.6% of the regular
season).  The NHL season is 84 games long, with the playoffs going a maximum
of 28 games (33.3% of the regular season).

Thus, if a player fails to perform in the Stanley Cup playoffs, it is more
justifiable to say that he's choking, since the playoffs are significant as
far as their lengths are in the NHL; however, anything can happen in 7 (or 14)
games.  Gretzky has gone through scoreless streaks in his career.  Did that
mean he was a bad player?

===============================================================================
GO LOS ANGELES KINGS!  Go for Next Year! :-(
GO SAN JOSE SHARKS!  Ray Whitney for Calder!  Jeff Hackett for Vezina!
	Pat Falloon for Hart! :-) Neil Wilkinson for Norris!  ('92-'93)
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Renegotiation
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:02:18 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.120500.7673@rz-berlin.mpg.de> kolasinski@rz-berlin.mpg.de (Rebell ohne Schlips) writes:
>a row (if memory serves.  Is that some kind of record?)  It's that kind of 
>performance that fans look for at the big moments that seperates the Mike 
>Gartners from the guys you want to have on a breakaway in a tie game late in 
>the third period.

However, what the fans perceive as important and valuable in a player and
what is actually important and valuable in a player are often not the same
thing.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com



Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:36:09 -0400 
From: Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Penguin logo


The Pens' July newsletter arrived and it's actually a substantial issue
this time.  In glancing at it last night, I saw for the first time
players in the "new logo" jerseys.  (I forgot to bring the newsletter
to work this morning, but I think these were three draft picks in the
photo.)  Anyway, the logo looks much better on an envelope than it does
on a jersey.  The player in the middle was wearing a road jersey, and
as I predicted, his jersey says "ITTSBURG."  Maybe they could change
that to "IT'S A BURGH THING" (yet another stupid motto from the Iron
City Brewing Company).

Mom.

Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 08:39:41 -0400 
From: Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Pens coach-No news is...


Lori Iannamico writes:

>just that.  No news.  KDKA radio reported that Pens' GM Craig Patrick said 
>that the head coaching issue still has not been resolved.  Patrick said he
>has made no decision yet on what to do about the (apparent) vacancy.
> 
>I'm sure his decision hinges on what Scotty Bowman decides to do.

Here's additional non-news to Lori's non-news:

This comes from the 7/21/92 Pgh Post Gazette NEWSFAX:

"A rumor making the rounds is that Scotty Bowman has told the Penguins'
front office he does not wish to coach again.  The rumor is false.  What
Bowman has indicated is that he does not want to return to the bench unless
he is one of the highest paid coaches in the National Hockey League.

Whether that is a distinction without a difference remains to be seen.
If he does not coach, Bowman will go back to the front office and resume
the role of Craig Patrick's right-hand man."

Well, if your team is filled with prima donnas your coach might as well
be one, too.




Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: enyart@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Brian S Enyart)
Subject: Re: Gil STein will change the NHL
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 09:45:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.193354.21507@erg.sri.com> vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad) writes:
[boxing analogy deleted]

>On the other hand, the rulebook of hockey and of the NHL clearly states
>that violence is illegal. That's the law. And all we are asking is that the
>law be upheld. If you think that fighting is a part of hockey, then change
>the rules and make fighting legal. 

And the law says the guilty parties spends their 5 minutes in the penalty box.
Glad to see you agree that fighting shouldn't go unpenalized.

>Again, 200 mph is LEGAL on a race track and illegal on  a street.

Now, the penalty for going 200 mph on the street is a little more severe....
:-)

Brian Enyart
enyart@ecn.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: Olympic Women, or Something Other Than The Flying Brat
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:56:43 GMT

The IOC has placed women's hockey on the schedule for the Winter Games
starting in 2002. It will be a demo sport in 1998.

I hope someone has more. Long overdue, this move. Maybe something other than
figure skating to hold America's attention. Then again, just another medal
for ya Canucks, ya sir? :)

--Stan Macasieb (stanm@comm.mot.com) Blackhawks '93!

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: mjn@pseudo.uucp (Murray Nesbitt)
Subject: Re: They've moved the Gardens?? (was Re: MLG phone number?)
Organization: Private system in Toronto, ON
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 08:05:47 GMT
	<92Jul23.173933edt.166@orasis.vis.toronto.edu>
	<24JUL92.11189443.0066@VM1.MCGILL.CA>


CZ94000 <CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> writes:

>In article <92Jul23.173933edt.166@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down) writes:
>> Anyway the Gardens is at 60 College Steet
>>
> College Street???  You mean the Gardens is now *WEST* of Yonge?
> When did they move it?  And how?  When I lived in Toronto, MLG
> was at 60 Carlton Street.

Relax, the Gardens are at Church and Carlton(?), just *east* of Yonge,
and just where it was when you lived here.

Murray
-- 
Until my site's in the maps, please reply to "druid!pseudo!mjn".
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