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From: a@b.ca (G., N. M.)
Subject: Re: What is HAMAS
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:44:24 GMT

In <1992Dec30.060745.1957@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> abde@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tamer A. Abdelgawad) writes:

" In article <1992Dec29.160417.12173@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mmdh@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (Mazen Mokhtar) writes:
" >
" >  Hamas stands for "Harakat al Muqawamat il Islamiyyah", which means, the
" >Islamic resistance movement. It was founded by Sheikh Ahmad Yassin three
" >or four years ago. It represents the Muslim Bretheren in Palestine. The
" >founder is sunni. The organization is an Islamic organization whose aims
" >include providing an Islamic support organization for Palestinians, resisting
" >Israeli occupation, the liberation of all of Palestine and the establishment
" >of an Islamic state.

" It is nice to know the Muslim Bretheren support the killing of an unarmed
" hostage without convicting him of any particular crime, *and* claim it is
" Islamic!

" Tamer Abdelgawad

   It is much nicer to know when to honour us with your tongue and when to
shut up. If talking is of silver value then silance sometimes can be of
gold value. This is in the ordinary situation, in your case, talking is
of $%$^# value, so ponder about it.

P.S. Why don't they choose you as the head of al-azhar? I think you know
a lot more than the current head does, honest!

P.P.S. Killing anyone is better than working in prostitution, for those who
have some honour.

**


Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: mwd@cray.com (Mark Dalton)
Subject: communication and thought
Followup-To: mwd@cray.com
Originator: mwd@snoid
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 1 Jan 93 16:13:57 CST

Hi!  I have been reading a number of the posts lately.
We all have opinions/thoughts and beliefs that differ.
I just wish people would be slower to condemn or attack and more
willing to listen and learn.  We all have a lot to learn from each
other!

I can give examples of apparent beliefs that contradict themselves in
basically every religion.  But often this is by scewing the meaning of
the hearts that wrote/thought/or believe these things.  I would not claim
to be an expert on any religion, but I am familiar with many and the cultures
they came from.  One thing I can say there is more similarities then many
would like to believe.   Also in each religion there are peopple how claim
to be "Muslim", "Jew", "Christian", "Hindu", "Buddhist", etc and they 
are inconsistant with what they believe.  I also know people from each of
those religions that I am proud to call my friends.

I am not upset, just disappointed at peoples willingness to look at the
points of the other people posting with a open mind.  Or perhaps some are
just trying to stir up things (being the devil's advocat).

I think there has been some good discussion.

Thanks!

Mark

___
My opinions or thoughts do not necessarily reflect those of my employers.

Mark Dalton
Cray Research, Inc.
Eagan, MN 55121
Internet: mwd@cray.com
-- 
Mark Dalton
Cray Research, Inc.
Eagan, MN 55121
Internet: mwd@cray.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: bilgic@ie.utoronto.ca (Taner Bilgic)
Subject: Info about Sabit Ibn Kurra?
Organization: University of Toronto, Department of Industrial Engineering
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:44:07 GMT

I need some information about Sabit Ibn Kurra who is believed to
be a scientist in the famous Harran University. My knowledge about
him is quite vague and incomplete. I would appreciate any information,
reference and/or pointers to his life and works.

Please e-mail me: bilgic@ie.toronto.edu
Thanks in advance.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: ziad@eng.umd.edu (Ziad K. Cheiban)
Subject: Re: The U.N. votes to condemn Israeli Action
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 23:29:24 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: world 

In article <1992Dec23.042508.19210@nysernet.org> astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:
[...]
>Of course, that's nothing new, since if the Arabs really cared about
>the Palestinian Arab refugees, that problem would have been solved
>over four decades ago.
>-- 
>Alan H. Stein   -----  AJIN   -----  astein@israel.nysernet.org

The refugees themselves refused to be settled, back then. Just as
the Palestininans expelled recently refuse to go to Lebanon and
have said they agree with Lebanon's policy not to let them in.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: All Arabs are guilty
Date: 28 Dec 1992 01:24:26 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) says:

>ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira) writes:
>
>>As a side note,
>>Palestinians are guilty of existing within the borders of the promised land.
>>Zionism  implies that Palestinian Arabs are guilty of competing for
>>the land that is given to Jews, and that the Jews would be better off
>>if they did not exist.
>
>There is enough land there for everyone.  The early Zionists
>anticipated living together in peace with the few Arabs who were
>already there;  they did not anticipate that the Arabs would want to
>drive the Jews into the sea.

Enough land where?  You mean throughout the middle east or just palestine?
 
>
>>Mackowsky  Kahane and about 20% of Israelis say it explicitly, the rest of
>>the Israelis do not say it but it is implied from all their statements.
>>If you support the law of return for Jews only, then you must see the
>>Arabs as an obstacle.
>
>There's an asymmetry to the conflict.  The Arabs have dozens of
>nations, many times the size of Eretz Yisrael.  The Jews have only
>that tiny speck of land.
>

This doesn't imply that palestinians should leave it to jews and migrate
to other nations.  If someone takes over a room in your big house, that
in no way would give him the right to let him own it by saying you got
other big enough rooms. 

Palestine is part of the Islamic ideolgy, and if arabs give it up,
muslims will not.

You got a long term problem to deal with my cousin. 

>>Zionism is not racism, but to implement it, you have to engage in genocide.
>
>Terrific verbal gymnastics.  Totally absurd.
>-- 
>Alan H. Stein                     astein@israel.nysernet.org
>President -- AJIN -- The American Jewish Information Network
>       Bringing The Global Jewish Community Together
>
This is new piece of info, "president."  Good luck. 

-- 
                  ___________________ cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu _____________
                 (______   _  |   _  |_
_____ H A M Z A ________) |-| |_ |-| | |
Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:5829 talk.politics.mideast:23917
From: zzaaskk@v2.cgu.mcc.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Mazen and the Nazis, as Always
Date: 22 Dec 92 13:03:00 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.arabic
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre CGU

In article <1992Dec21.191312.5529@cirrus.com>, chrism@cirrus.com (Chris Metcalfe) writes:
> In article <1992Dec17.163909.17873@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mmdh@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (Mazen Mokhtar) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec17.020237.12364@nysernet.org> astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:

Stuff deleted

> Whatever your position is on the Arab/Israeli conflict, Mazen, you really
> should try to outgrow this tired tactic of equating the Jews and the Nazis.

Well who else shall we compare them with. The American settlers, the people 
responsible for the genocide of the native americans?  The nazis are the 
equivelant of modern day zionist jews because of the symbiosis between the two!
and yes you will start shouting again this is an antisemitic statment and
it is very hurtfull. Well, displacing couple of million palestinians, killing
tens of thousands of palestinians and lebanese and hundered of thousands is
more painfull. The only thing comparative to this is the nazis, stalin,
khmer rouge, americans, the slave wars of europe against black africa, british
invasion of Australia and so on. Israel sits very comfortably with all theses
deeds.
 
> 
> Was France also justified in hunting Haj Amin al-Husseini as a Nazi war
> criminal?  The very founder of the Palestinian Nationalist movement?

Haj Hussieni was fighting an occupier. That occupier was Britain that was
helping another coccupier to claim his land and country. Haj Amin was a freedom
fighter. The zionist were agressors. Nazi jermeny for its own political goals
was helping a freedom fighter who was fighting the aggrtession of jews. Ironic
isn;n't it? Yes yes racism anti semitisim. 

> 
> By not reasoning these things through, you leave yourself exposed.
> 
> So let's get back to who did what, and who was justified, who's history is
> more legitimately tied to the land, etc, etc,  and leave the Nazis in the 
> cold ground where they belong.

No body have any legitamate claim on palestine other then the Palestinians.
All those who came to palestine under the British mandate/occupation are thugs
and aggressors. And no I am not intrested in debating this. I and many other 
arabs have learned that when it comes to Israel and for that fact the rest of
the world, dialogue is not the rule power is. If you have power what you say
is the truth and the position of high moral stnadards. Until the time comes
that Arabs and Muslims have the Power all what they say is wrong and have the
lower moral standard so thier is no point in arguments. 


> 
> -- Chris Metcalfe


Kamie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: malek@pi.titech.ac.jp (Zidouri Abdelmalek 03/95)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: What is HAMAS
Date: 30 Dec 92 04:32:52 GMT
	<1992Dec29.160417.12173@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
Organization: Tokyo Institute of Tech., Precision and Intelligence Lab., Japan

>>>>> On 29 Dec 92 16:04:17 GMT, mmdh@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (Mazen Mokhtar) said:
Mazen> Assalamu `alaykum,
wa alaykum Assalmu wr wb,

>Can any body give me some detail about "HAMAS". I have heard this name
>for the first time. Are they Shi'a or Duruz?.
I thought this was not a sincere question,until today.

Mazen> Hamas stands for "Harakat al Muqawamat il Islamiyyah", which means, the
Mazen> Islamic resistance movement. It was founded by Sheikh Ahmad Yassin three
Mazen> or four years ago. It represents the Muslim Bretheren in Palestine. The

The birth of HAMAS was on Dec. 14, 1987 with the first communique of 
al-INTIFADHA bearing the name of Hamas. 

Mazen> founder is sunni. The organization is an Islamic organization whose aims

The founder is physically completely handicapped, and is in prison in
occuppied Palestine. He is now very ill and losing his sight and hearing
due to imprisonment conditions. He was sentenced by a military tribunal
to life  imprisonment and 15 years on  16/10/1991. The colonial forces
don't allow him to perform an operation for his eyes.

Mazen> include providing an Islamic support organization for Palestinians, resisting
Mazen> Israeli occupation, the liberation of all of Palestine and the establishment
Mazen> of an Islamic state.

Where everyone including Jews can live in peace in Palestine.

Mazen> Assalamu `alaykum,
Mazen> Mazen Mokhtar

Malek.
--
 Malek.
 
 "We cooperate in what we agree on, and forgive each other for that
  in which we disagree." Hassan El Banna.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.malaysia,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.bangladesh
From: wmuhanna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Waleed A Muhanna)
Subject: Announcing IslamicTimer (Release 2.0)
Followup-To: soc.religion.islam 
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:43:08 GMT


Release 2.0 of the IslamicTimer software package is now available via 
anonymous ftp from snake.mcs.kent.edu (IP address: 131.123.2.222).  
The distribution is in a compressed shar (shell archive) file named 
"/pub/IslamicTimer-2.0.shar.Z".  The new release includes a couple of 
very minor fixes and a new program, called PREMIND, which provides 
prayers time reminder/notification service on UNIX platforms.

In addition to PREMIND, IslamicTimer includes programs for generating 
Islamic (Hijri) Calendars, translating Gregorian/Julian dates to/from dates
in the Islamic Calendar, computing prayer time schedules, and for determining
the direction of the Qiblah.  

The software should be fairly portable and it should run on any UNIX
system.  If you have to make any changes to files other than the Makefiles 
to make these programs work on your machine/compiler, please contact me and
tell me where I goofed.

All the programs are Copyrighted.  Permission for nonprofit use and 
redistribution of the software and its documentation is granted without 
fee.

Please send your comments, suggestions, fixes, and additions to me:

	Waleed A. Muhanna
	P.O. Box 151048
	Columbus, OH 43215
	wmuhanna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

Large sums of money can also be sent to me, although at this time I'd
suggest you send your donations to a Relief Fund for the people suffering
in Somalia, Bosnia-Hercegovina, and Palestine, and/or to your favorite
charity.

Salaam,

Waleed Muhanna
Tuesday 5 Rajab 1413 A.H.
December 29, 1992
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: What is HAMAS
Date: 31 Dec 92 22:44:19 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <MALEK.92Dec30133252@mimosa.pi.titech.ac.jp> malek@pi.titech.ac.jp (Zidouri Abdelmalek 03/95) writes:
>
>The founder is physically completely handicapped, and is in prison in
>occuppied Palestine. He is now very ill and losing his sight and hearing
>due to imprisonment conditions. He was sentenced by a military tribunal
>to life  imprisonment and 15 years on  16/10/1991. The colonial forces
>don't allow him to perform an operation for his eyes.

May Allah give him the Noor and the Barakat for his suffering in the
Jenna, insha'Allah ...

Anisa

	"O our people, we are calling out to you with the Qu'ran in our
	right hand and the Sunna in our left, and with the deeds of the
	pious ancestors of the sons of this umma as our example.  We
	summon you to Islam, the teachings of Islam, the laws of Islam
	and the guidance of Islam, and if this smacks of 'politics' in
	your eyes, then it is our 'policy'!" 
					Imam Al-Shahid
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: PEACE LOVING ISRAEL
Date: 31 Dec 92 22:18:35 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver


	"The Jewish democratic and open society, which swallowed the Arab
	population remaining in the country after the establishment of the
	State, failed to absorb it.  The Jews appointed to take care of this
	population, and whose aim had been to make them loyal to the Jewish
	society in its State, failed to do so.  Their policy did not take
	into consideration the superficial and Levantinistic Arab character
	whose imagination tends to exceed nationality."
				Israel Koenig, Commissioner of the Interior
				March 1, 1976
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Normand Arthur Beeline)
Subject: Christmas
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 17:52:25 GMT


Hello,

   Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you all.
   
   Hopefully, next year, we will be living in heaven.
   
||.||

--
   Do not drink AND drive.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: essa@cs.scarolina.edu (Ossama Ahmed Essa)
Subject: Arabic movies by mail
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Distribution: soc
Date: 23 Dec 92 04:16:13 GMT

I am looking for someone who sells Arabic(Egyptian) on video tapes by mail.
I remember reading an ad in Al-Ahram about a place in Atlanta that sells Arabic
movies compatible with the American system (NTSC) by mail. If you know someone
who does, please post or respond by e-mail. 

Thanks a lot folks,

Ossama Essa
From: malek@pi.titech.ac.jp (Zidouri Abdelmalek 03/95)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: What is HAMAS
Date: 31 Dec 92 07:35:07 GMT
	<1992Dec29.160417.12173@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
	<1hsejcINNf3k@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
	<1992Dec31.020644.16300@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
Organization: Tokyo Institute of Tech., Precision and Intelligence Lab., Japan

>>>>> On 31 Dec 92 02:06:44 GMT, abde@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tamer A. Abdelgawad) said:

Tamer> An extreme jewish posting irritates me much less than a posting which
Tamer> I preceive as a misrepresentation of Islam and moslims.  I say what I
Tamer> say in good faith, and I'm always open to conflicting opinions.
                              ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Ya SalAm  Ya SalAm  Ya SalAm...Bravo 
What about a moderate jewish posting what feelings do you get?

Malek
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Hamas
Date: 31 Dec 92 21:41:02 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Dec27.035801.10979@nysernet.org> astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:
>
>The court has not yet heard the appeals from the terrorists.  So far,
>they only ruled on the legality of the procedure.

Alan, how do you define civil justice?  Is a person guilty before
proven innocent?  Is a person convicted of a crime for belonging to
or supporting a religious philosophy?  Was there a trial to determine
all of this before the sentencing?  Answer the questions and please
do not hide the facts.  What exactly was the ruling in view of "the
legality of the procedure"?  Please explain.  What laws does Israel
apply, internationally, to justify their actions that they have just
cause, without proof or conviction, to collectively punish masses
of people and expell them in another country?

Before you start accusing anyone of criminal acts and slandering them,
you had better learn what the principles of how a democratic legal system
works and what international law is.  Even if it has cracks in it, Israel
MUST be called on for these actions and justifications, in addition to
exposing innocent people to dangerous political conditions (in Lebanon) and
endangering their overall welfare and health as human beings.  We know for
a fact that Israel does not flinch when making such measures, but this 
cannot and will not be tolerated.   When you see these injustices and
excuses, you wonder why there is so much violence against Israeli citizens
and against the tyranny of Israeli law.

>If it turns out that any were temporarily deported in error, the court
>will order that they be permitted to return when their appeal is
>heard.  In the meantime, they'd be much more comfortable if their
>brethren in Lebanon were more interested in their welfare than in
>scoring propaganda points against Israel

Hey, Rabin stated that they are temporarily deported - which means for
two (2) years!  Without trial or due process.  How will they discover
that these men are innocent?  Why didn't they hold the investigation
BEFORE the expulsions?  Is this acceptable because Palestinians are not
recognized as a people with any legal support, that Israel is allowed to
do this?  Israel is a democracy after all?
 
Anisa

	"We just hope that the Israelis will reciprocate and will
	not continue to create such painful and aggrevating conditions
	on the ground that need to further hostilities and feed the
	cycle of violence.  The occupation is an abnormal, distorting
	condition.  It has to come to an end.  And I think only then
	will you see an end to violence."
						Hanan Ashwari
				Interview on ABC World News/12-16-92
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira)
Subject: Religious conflicts
Organization: ECE - Concordia University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:53:41 GMT


A religious conflict is not necessarily a conflict between
religious people or a conflict that is caused by religion.. It is a conflict
where religion is used to fuel the conflict rather than solve it.

The conflict in the Balkan is religious because of the following symptoms:
1) The orthodox church is used to rally the serbs to kill more catholics
and especially Muslims. One of their religious chants is " I will be the
first one who will bring the bloud of a Turk, who will be  the second" this 
was related by a Serb. They call the Muslims Turks and refuse to recognize
that they are Slavs (just like them) but only different in religion.
2)The Serb nationalists call the current war "the second battle of Kosovo."
The first battle was in the 15'th century, and the winning of Muslims was
the reason many Jews and catholics survived and lived in that region...
Most Muslims of that region are Slavs who converted willingly to Islam.
The existence of so many catholics, Jews and even Orthodox in that region
shows who was really the tolerent people , then the Ottomans fell and
look what happened to Jews and Muslims by both croats and Serbs.
3)The intention of the serbs is clearly not only to be within Serbia but
to exterminate Muslims from their region (7 millions in total).. They killed
120,000 between WWi and WWii and they killed more than that right now...

The conflict in many Arab countries is political but it has become
religious because the governments and the western media chose to use religion
by calling all of the opposition "Islamic fundamentalists" while sometimes
the government is even more fundamentalist than the opposition, but just more
corrupt.

When any bad act by any Muslims happens anywhere in the world, the western
media consistently mentions their religion (Muslim bandits in Filipine, Muslim
terrorists, etc..) but never (christian serbs, christian Irish terrorists,
christian drug cartel in columbia) although the analogy can only be missed
by a blind person.


Conclusion: The conflict between the Muslims and the western powers has
become a religious conflict.. (and It always has been IMHO). 
whether or not the people who are fueling it are religious.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso)
Subject: PEACE LOVING PLO
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:49:58 GMT


"I shall make it perfectly clear to you.  We shall never recognize
Israel, never accept the usurper, the colonialist, the imperialist...
We shall never allow Israel to live in peace.  We shall never allow it
total security.  Every Israeli will feel that behind every wall there
might be a guerrilla who is aiming at me..."
	
	Farouk Kaddoumi,  Head of the PLO's political department
	Interview in "Stern", West Germany, July 30, 1981