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From: pasche@libra.hasler.ascom.ch (Pasche S.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Switzerland : Playoffs Final
Date: 6 Apr 92 11:38:22 GMT
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG, CH-3000 Berne 14, Switzerland
Originator: pasche@gondolin

Swiss Playoffs Final (2nd match)

Fribourg Gotteron :			SC Bern :
G Stecher (Gygli)			G Tosio
D Hofstetter, Balmer,			D Ruotsalainen, Rauch
  Griga, Bobillier,			  S. Leuenberger, Beutler
  Descloux, Brasey,			  Clavien, Baumgartner
  Wyssen				  Kuenzi, Ruetschi
F Khomutov, Bykov, Brodmann,		F Horak, Haworth, Howald
  Reymond, Liniger, Maurer,		  Hagmann, Montandon, Burillo
  Silver, Rottaris, M. Leuenberger	  Rogenmoser, Triulzi, Baertschi
  Gauch, Bucher, Wicki			  Friedli, Schuemperli, Hirschi

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SC Bern            (3-4-4)  11
Fribourg Gotteron  (1-1-0)  2

Allmend Eisstadion Bern
Att : 16 464
Pen : SC Bern  14 x 2 min, Fribourg 14 x 2 + 1 x 10 min

Goals :
1. Howald (Ruotsalainen) (1-0)
2. Howald (Horak,Ruotsalainen) (2-0) (pen. Griga)
15. Silver (Khomutov, Brasey) (2-1) (pen. Howald)
19. Rogenmoser (Triulzi) (3-1)

31. Baertschi (Ruotsalainen,Haworth) (4-1)
36. Howald (Haworth) (5-1) (pen. Bobillier)
37. Montandon (Burillo) (6-1) (pen. Beutler, Silver)
37. Howald (Rauch) (7-1) (pen. Beutler, Silver)
38. Hofstetter (Bykov,Khomutov) (7-2) (pen. Beutler, Silver)

45. Montandon (Friedli,Hirschi) (8-2)
47. S.Leuenberger (Montandon) (9-2) (pen. Ruetschi,Baertschi,Brodmann,Bucher)
52. Rogenmoser (Montandon) (10-2) (pen. Bucher)
60. Friedli (Schuemperli,Hirschi) (11-2)

The SC Bern leads the best of five serie 2-0 (4-3 / 11-2) and will soon
be the new champion (?).

For Bern fans, it's the FINAL COUNTDOWN ! :-)

Explanation :
When the SC Bern scores they play the music of the group
Europe in the 'Allmend Eisstadion'.

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Playoffs Top Scorers
				Nat	G	A	P	GP
Khomutov	Fribourg	CIS	8	11	19	11
Silver		Fribourg	Swi/Can	11	4	15	11
Bykov		Fribourg	CIS	4	11	15	11
Jaks		Ambri		Swi	8	6	14	10
Haworth		Bern		Can	6	6	12	8
Malkov		Ambri		CIS	6	6	12	10
Leonov		Ambri		CIS	6	5	11	10
Montandon	Bern		Swi	5	6	11	8
Howald		Bern		Swi	5	6	11	8
Thibaudeau	Lugano		Can	6	3	9	4 (!!!)
Fair		Ambri		Swi/Can	7	1	8	10
Prijachin	Zurich		CIS	4	4	8	7
Ruotsalainen	Bern		Fin	4	4	8	8
.....
Yaremchuk	Zug		USA	4	3	7	5	
.....
Krutov		Zurich		CIS	?	?	<5	6
Turcotte	Lugano		USA	?	?	<5	4
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From: lr10+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lawrence Seldin Rosenthal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: AHL?  What's going on
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:11:31 GMT
Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I haven't seen any posts about this is a few weeks.
-Larry

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From: rjudy@dime.cs.umass.edu (Judy Ruot)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: AHL playoffs
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:29:00 GMT
Reply-To: rjudy@dime.cs.umass.edu (Judy Ruot)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

Well, since things are looking rather dime in the NHL playoff
department, anyone wanna discuss the AHL playoffs? The Spring-
field Indians have their first game tonite and are looking
to capture the Calder Cup for the third year in a row and
I feel they have a good chance of doing it.

What about the ECHL and IHL?

Judy
From: ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: The upcoming STRIKE.
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:10:12 GMT
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia

In article <559@hsdndev.UUCP> nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219) writes:
>In article <etam.702289960@sfu.ca> etam@fraser.sfu.ca (Edwin Tam) writes:
>>
>>  a) If they weren't happy with the contract all season long, then why
>>didn't they strike at that time?? Instead its, I'll play all season
>>long and collect my cheques in the meantime. Now they hit the
>>playoffs, and its, 'thanks for the money, but I' think nows a good
>>time to strike' - because they don't make much in the playoffs
>>anyways.  They care about their fans - NOT!
>>
>>-Edwin
>   b) They didn't have the contract ALL season long. Get your facts straight.
>   c) no contract no play.
If it was no contract no play, why'd they play all season? Get YOUR facts 
straight.
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From: djung@fraser.sfu.ca (Derek Shew Lon Jung)
Subject: Canadian owners to sue NHLPA??
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:23:01 GMT

Just heard on the radio this morning that the owners from the seven
Canadian teams were considering challenging in court the PA's right to
strike, since the players are bound by personal services contracts and
are not salaried employees.  I'm not sure if this is correct, as I was
barely awake when I heard it, so if someone could clarify it would be of
great help.  I haven't heard anything about this previously, but maybe
someone else has.  In any case, if they do take the PA to court, we could
be in for a loooong time without NHL hockey.


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From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Sherri's Spewing (WAS: Re: Another Lindros)
Date: 7 Apr 92 06:19:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Apr6.195706.5400@cirrus.com>, mitch@cirrus.com (Mitch Wright) writes:
> I'd like to add that these athletic departments also generate quite a bit
> of income for the University as a whole.  There would be a few less
> academic scholarships if it were not for that money.  It's a catch 22 of
> sorts.

This is sometimes disputed - for example, I think that you'd have to consider
Arizona a major university (30k + students) with major sports programs and
yet the $$ generated by sports supposedly breaks about even after the
profits of bball and football cover the losses of the womens programs
as well as the "minor" sports (golf, track, swimming etc). Now that looks
pretty goos until you realize that the state pours in a million and a
half bucks to the UofA's sports - so one can argue that they actually
lose money - now this of course does not consider the $ brought in through
donations which might be due to the sports or the $ generated through licenses
for insignias and so forth but there are folks who claim that sports
programs lose money at 90% of NCAA schools....

			gln

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From: riel@unixg.ubc.ca (William Riel)
Subject: Re: Oilers-Kings tiebreaker
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:31:21 GMT

In article <farenebt.703445192@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Big Bri) writes:
>What are the tiebreakers for the Oilers-Kings? Has LA clinched
>it? Is it wins or season series or something else?
>
>BRI
>

Yes, LA has clinched 2nd place in the Smythe.  In case of a tie I believe
that the number of wins would be the tiebreaker.

Bill


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From: djung@fraser.sfu.ca (Derek Shew Lon Jung)
Subject: I'm lost.
Keywords: strike
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:59:45 GMT

I thought I had a handle on things until now.  Fellow NetLanders, is
there anyone out there who can outline precisely

1) What the players' demands are
2) What the owners' demands are
3) What the players have given up on their proposals
4)  "    "  owners   "     "   "  "    "      "
5) What were the last proposals were on both sides, and why they were
   rejected.

Local media seems very vague on these precise points.  One news report
said the owners' proposal gave in on the hockey card issue, made
concessions on free agency and pension (I think), and eliminated
recallable waivers (though I wonder of what consequence this might have).
On the surface, it doesn't seem "worse than the last proposal", as some
player reps stated.  But then again, none of them said what was wrong with
the proposal, either; at least, this wasn't in the report.

Has anyone else found that things don't seem to make sense in this whole
dispute?  For instance, why would the owners bring up this hockey card
issue into the negotiations, when they HAD to know how the PA would
react, and jeopardize the playoffs and millions of dollars in revenue?
I can't see any added revenue in a new hockey-card agreement offsetting
the losses resulting from no playoffs.

With the US court decision regarding anti-trust, why does the PA keep
bringing up the draft/free-agency business?  Do they not believe that 
salaries would escalate way beyond present levels, and thus torpedo
some teams?  Would that not hurt the players?  After all, a lost team
means 20+ lost jobs, not to mention the farm teams.  Or are they
completely confident that the owners are B.S.'ing them about teams
losing money?  And are they?  With the Canucks, I can believe the owners:
They get no concession money, no parking money, the Coliseum has only a
handful of luxury boxes, and is comparatively small to medium-sized.
I can't see them making much money on this.  (They say they'll lose
$2.5 million, more now, I guess, without playoffs.)

Enough questions....Maybe I'm the only one in the dark about all this;
guess I'll know it from the flames.  :-)

A last thought:  The NHL seems to want to commit mass suicide.  Who are
the real idiots?  The NHLPA?  The owners?  Both?  Fans like me who are
trying to make sense of it all?

At least baseball season is here....Go Jays!  (And White Sox!  And Expos!)


Derek Jung
Internet:  djung@sfu.ca
From: 0heidentha_m@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Stanley Cup to Rangers?
Date: 8 Apr 92 05:31:30 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <1992Apr7.002040.10956@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>, mhauser@courtney.acns.nwu.edu (Marc Hauser) writes:
> In article <11270@mindlink.bc.ca> Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert  
> Broughton) writes:
>  
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> 1940 (Need I say more?)
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> Devils in '93!
> 

Marc
	Here's a question for you. How many cups have the Kansas City Scouts,
Colorado Rockies, and the New Jersey Devils win?

	Try a big 0.

		
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From: elbaldwi@eos.ncsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Salary Cap questions
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:58:06 GMT
Reply-To: elbaldwi@eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: Project EOS - North Carolina State University

In answer to your questions about the salary cap in the NBA:
>*Is the salary cap an across-the-board cap?  That is, was anything taken
> into account such as arena capacity, local television revenue, etc. in
> establishing this cap?
Yes, every team has the same salary cap as every other team in the NBA.
Only expansion teams have a lower one for the first three years of play
in the league.  The owners implemented this to protect someone from coming
into the league and creating their own all-star team and also to make play
more equal among teams (so they said).

>*Have NBA teams actually lost good players and have any missed the benefit
> of signing hot shot newcomers because of the cap? Is there a cap on
> rookie salaries?
In order to stay under the cap, some teams have to sacrifice a player either
by trading or giving the player an outright release.  Usually these players
are end-of-the-benchers or over-the-hill-veterans.  Even then, some players
have guarenteed contracts stating that that team must pay their salary.
Also, because of the cap, teams tend to be at the limit, bringing in new 
players means difficult decisions for management.  As for rookies, there is 
no cap, teams offer rookies whatever is available.


>*Are there a lot of contract problems in the NBA?  Do players hold out at
> the beginning of each season for more money?  Are there a lot of demands
> to be traded?
Yes, this happens all the time, lottery picks (top 12 draft picks) are
generally the most demanding.

>*Do teams lose good players because of the cap?  For instance, in
> Pittsburgh, Recchi, Stevens, and Francis all held out for more money.
> If there was a team cap and signing all three for what they wanted
> meant that the Penguins would exceed their cap, what would happen?
> Would they just lost one of the three?
A team can go over the salary cap to re-sign a player already on the team
(most recently Patrick Ewing of the NY Knicks).  But before a new player
can be signed to the team,  the team must be under the salary cap.

>*Does the cap inpact trading in the NBA?  What if a team wanted to trade
> draft picks or younger players who make less money for some big name
> star, and the big name's salary would make them exceed your cap?  Are
> they just out of luck?

Yes, that team would be out of luck.  If the team really wanted the big 
player, they would have to free up some money somewhere by either 


Hope this helps some....

Edward Lee "Guess I'll watch NHL hockey on my Sega" Baldwin
Computer Engineering/Brewing/Consuming
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From: ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast)
Subject: Re: What the world needs now is an AMERICAN TV CONTRACT.
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1992 14:20:30 GMT

In article <1992Apr2.224205.18230@ccu.umanitoba.ca> todd@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Bob Todd) writes:
>In article <ARBOGASTW.28@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu> ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast) writes:
>>
>>
>>In the meantime, let's hope the owners take the lesson the players are 
>>giving them and become more contemporary in their thinking.  Stop fighting 
>>and stop expanding to places that are going to make the league even less 
>>attractive to a serious US television system...Ottawa and Winnipeg NEXT on 
>>CBS.  Be serious.  

>Whoa! Hey - let's be careful about whom you are trying to attack here!!!
>Don't knock cities that have been watching and cheering the Stanley Cup 
>playoffs for longer than folks from your part of the world knew hockey
>existed! 
>And who says that in order to survive we have to be attractive to serious
>US television series! The NHL has been around for a long time already. You
>can't force people to watch/enjoy hockey. And throwing big bucks and trying
>to go big-time does not solve all problems. 
>I think I'll leave it at that while I can still byte my tongue!
>>
>>The big US bucks would solve all the problems the league faces to day.

I don't want to engage in a US-Canada thing, and if I came off that way, it 
WASN'T intended.  All I am saying is, if the answers to all the problems 
comes through television revenue.  And the Canadian TV contract in no way 
compares with the US TV contract football, baseball, and basketball get.  As 
you say, there is no question where the game comes from and that canadian 
support for the games is fantastic.  It's just that it doesn't generate 
enough revenue.

75% of the players are Canadian.  They are on strike.  Many, like Lindros, 
want to play in the US because they will make more money.  (lindros also has 
political reasons, but let's not get into it).

Expanding to US cities significantly increases the attractiveness of the 
game in the US even if fans want to watch their regional favorite.  With a 
US contract of such insignificant proportions like the NHL now has... well, 
you see where we are now.


PS, I'm Candian living in the US, believe me it wasn't intended.
From: 890491g@aucs.acadiau.ca (Don Graves)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Perfect record??
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:55:01 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp) writes:

>In article <QdunQiK00UhWA5nGMW@andrew.cmu.edu>, Michelle Zumbo <mz10+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>> Does anyone know if there has ever been a team with a perfect record
>> during the regular season?  Either 80-0-0 or some variation of:  #-0-#.
>> 
>> Michelle

>The Montreal Canadiens set the record for best regular season back in the
>early seventies, when they had something like eight losses.

	I'm not 100% sure about this, but I think that the record was
60-8-12 (by the Habs) in 1976 or 1977.  Many hockey observers think that
that was the best team ever.

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From: richardg@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Richard Grimmett)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: UD hi # set
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:57:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpspkla.31220003
Organization: Hewlett Packard Company, Spokane, Wa.


I've only seen his brother a couple of times on TV, but Valeri is definitely
hot.  He's got the moves and the speed to dominate a game, if only he 
could get a little more bulk.  A definite star.

Richard Grimmett
From: neal@atmos.washington.edu (Neal Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: WHL playoffs update
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:00:13 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Atmospheric Sciences, University of Washington


Seattle was demolished by the Spokane Chiefs 8-2 on Sunday to
tie the best of 5 at 1-1.  The puck drops tonight and Wednesday in the Seattle
Center Arena at 7:05.

  As a result of the fan/TriCity brawl, it has been announced that
  only 1 beer may be purchased at a time (instead of regular limit of 2)
  and that a platoon of ushers will be situated near the visitors
  bench for the remainder of the playoffs.  Doesn't this mean the beer
  line will twice as long? 8^)

Didn't get the score but I believe Saskatoon defeated Swift Current to
go up 2-1 in the Eastern Division best of 5(*????*)
 
Valeri Bure did not get a goal but did pick up at least one assist.
(I only caught the first period and a portion of the post-game on radio)

Perhaps Richard Grimmett is best suited to comment on the apparent
improvement of late in Bure's game.  Richard you there?

  
 
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From: darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Raggin' on the Flyers (Re: FLYERS notes 4/1)
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:16:32 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:

> And you don't think the Flyers have improved their team for next season?
> They have a strong young nucleus to work around and should be in
> contention for a playoff spot in the toughest division in hockey for
> years to come.

Here's an interesting stat that bodes well for next season: Last night
during the broadcast of the Toronto game, Bill Clement observed that since
the All-Star break, the Flyers have been playing .529 hockey - 10th overall
in the NHL.  It's too bad they got off to such a poor start (thank you, Paul
Holmgren).

Also, last night's 6-2 win guaranteed that Bill Dineen will finish with a
winning record as the Flyers' coach.

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From: billoj@aix.rpi.edu (Jeremy Louis Billones)
Subject: Re: More on the screwing of the Badgers...
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 20:23:22 GMT

schultz@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Dennis Schultz) writes:
>	I definitely think what the Wisconsin players did afterward was wrong.
>However, the NCAA will coverup any misconduct by their referees.  To any
>non-partisan fan, that type of game turns anyone off to hockey, and defending
>their ref will only cause people to ignore future championship games.  Who
>wants to watch 5 on 3?

As a non-partisan fan, I could care less whether the game is 5-5 or 5-3.

>Why isn't the referee being investigated.  He did everything one would
>expect of a paid-off referee.

And that's just b*llsh*t.  If the ref sees a penalty, he calls it.  If
a team is short handed, and they commit a penalty, they're 5 on 3.

As for an investigation, if the ref screwed up, he won't be rehired.  They
review *every* game, not just the one where you think got screwed.

Grow up.

Jeremy Billones     billoj@rpi.edu  or  jbillone@jarthur.claremont.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: cs911030@ariel.yorku.ca (STAVROS TSOKOS)
Subject: Re: NHL Season is over.
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:12:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.043424.29116@cs.dal.ca> schofiel@ug.cs.dal.ca (Ronald Clyde Douglas Schofield) writes:
>
>Thanks for listening to me. As you can tell I am for the owners. They pay the
>players to play hockey, not run the business.
>
>Ron.

Right on Ron!  It is obvious the NHLPA is not working to solve the
problem, they are totally involved in the power they have.  Hockey  will
not be the same any more unless they show some flexibility in their
negotiations.  Today the NHL, tomorrow the world!

                                 Steve

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From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Big Bri)
Subject: Oilers-Kings tiebreaker
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:26:32 GMT

What are the tiebreakers for the Oilers-Kings? Has LA clinched
it? Is it wins or season series or something else?

BRI

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Big Bri)
Subject: Re: Most popular athletes
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:00:32 GMT

What! LT and Derrick Coleman in New Jersey?! You mean Sean Burke isn't
the most popular Devil?!

I'm sure Roger Clemens isn't that far behind Bourque and Bird in Boston...
but most definitley behind.

BRI

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