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From: fvr@broom.bae.bellcore.com (Frank Ricciardi)
Subject: Re: //Theory Query (FollowUP)
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 17:02:03 GMT


	Actually, something you said reminded me of an old Jazz stand by 
called a 2 5 7. This is a common way of changing keys.


Frank








In article <1992Aug20.134907.6855@polaris.utu.fi>, jriitala@polaris.utu.fi (Jari Riitala) writes:
|> fvr@broom.bae.bellcore.com (Frank Ricciardi) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <1992Aug19.192220.158@news.uwyo.edu>, hirschfb@news.uwyo.edu says:
|> >|>
|> >|> ..what I'm really looking for is a way to change from song to song 
|> >|> while playing. Say, I'm playing a song in C or whatever, and my next
|> >|> song is in F, what progression of chords would be needed
|> 
|> >	Keep in mind that the 5th chord in any key played as a 4 part seventh
|> >resolves to the root. i.e. play a C#7 and then switch to an F. You'll hear the
|> >resolution. C#7 prepares your ears for an F, and actuall leaves you 
|> >dissappointed if the F doesn't come. (This technique is also used) 
|> 
|> C#7 is in fact the 5th to F# instead of F so it would much better lead
|> there.  A C7 would take you to F.
|> 
|> Often it is even more efficient to insert a 2nd-based minor seventh
|> (or a variation of such) before the 5th of the target key. So our
|> little example would go
|> 
|> 	C - Gm7 - C7 - F
|> 
|> Sometimes though you might find the transition from the original root
|> to the ii7 (or V7) of the new key awkward, depending how your ear
|> reacts. Such an animal _might_ be eg. (off the top of my head, no
|> instruments at hand)
|> 
|> 	C - Abm7 - Db7 - Gb
|> 
|> in which case you might want to try a longer transition.
|> 
|> On the other hand, the key changes in commercial music (within a song,
|> that is) have no rigid rules. besides the "standard" way you can use
|> anything that sound good to you. Many songs change keys without *any*
|> transitional chords!
|> 
|> Try different approaches and listen!
|> -- 
|> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> !       Jari Riitala	    !  	  Kuusiharjunkatu 34        !                !
|> ! 	    	 	    !	  SF-20660 LITTOINEN        !    100 100 1   !
|> !      jriitala@utu.fi      !	  FINLAND                   !                !
|> !   JRIITALA@KONTU.UTU.FI   !  	  home: +358 21 442 371     !  - Neil Peart  !
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________________________________________________________________________________
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Frank V. Ricciardi

fvr@bae.bellcore.com

Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: paul@everest.tandem.com (Paul Duffy)
Subject: Ronnie Le Tekro
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Cupertino CA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:40:06 GMT

Anyone know anything about Ronnie Le Tekro's setup.  I like his sound
a lot.  I know he's using Strats.  What pickups?
What amps is he using?  Is he using an Echoplex or what??
BTW on the liner notes it says he also uses a 1/4 step guitar.
What a monster.
- Paul -
From: rg@futserv.austin.ibm.com (R.G. Keen)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: RE: fender lace sensor question
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:42:00 GMT
Reply-To: ...@cs.utexas.edu:ibmaus!auschs!tmn1.austin.ibm.com!tung
Organization: IBM Coporation - Advanced Workstations Division.

I wonder if the hum rejecting properties come from the magnetic shielding 
qualities of having a magnetically conductive material around the coil?
Are they advertised as "hum-canceling", "hum-bucking" or "hum-rejecting"?
I don't see any good way to get useful operation if the two poles in the 
center are opposite polarities. The fields would merely run from one pole
into the other, and no significant flux would exit upwards into the strings.
Also, assuming that the center poles were effective, my quick sketches 
make me think that the net voltage per turn would cancel - there is no
way to invert the polarity of a half turn.

My magnetics is a little rusty, but I used to know this stuff. I'll bet that
someone in sci.physics could nail this one for us.
From: mau@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Darin Au)
Subject: Re: Steve Vai
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 20:54:06 GMT

In article <Bt09I9.6o0@andy.bgsu.edu> sarnold@andy.bgsu.edu (G. Steve Arnold) writes:
>mwelie@cs.vu.nl (Welie van M) writes:
>> Does anybody know what Steve Vai is doing currently. In GFTPM I read
>
>	Hopefully getting a soul to go with his technical perfection.

ACK!  Apparently someone appears to be judging Steve Vai solely upon his
"Passion and Warfare" album!  Now I won't go so far as to say that "P & W" was
a "guitar wanking extravaganza" but I do agree that it didn't have the same
amount of feel and "soul" as his "Flex-able" projects and his stuff with
Alcatrazz and David Lee Roth.  In fact, I was listening to "Flex-able" last
night and it reminded me how much better that album was as compared to "P & W."
I notice that people in this newsgroup that knock Steve Vai tend to knock him
for his processed sound and his "guitar wanking."  Well, if you listen to
Flex-able, the guitar sounds are fairly straight and all harmonized guitars
are created via overdubs and not the Eventide Harmonizer.  As for the David
Lee Roth stuff, it has feel.  I don't know if I'd call it "soul," (I think 
soul is more associated with blues/jazz etc) but it has tons of feel.  Listen
to the Eat 'Em and Smile album.  The guitar playing is in-your-face-kill-em-
all-eat-em-and-smile.  Now I think that's feel!  So if you think Steve Vai
is just a "guitar wanker" then check out his pre-David Lee Roth "Skyscraper"
stuff.

--darin


>
>> new album and tour. Does this mean that we can expect a new Steve Vai
>> album soon ? 
>
>	I hope not.
>
>
>-- 
>   The only difference between a Communist        G. Steve Arnold
>   and a Socialist is that the Socialist will     Dept. Math and Stats.
>   only confiscate the resources that are         BGSU
>   profitable.                                    sarnold@andy.bgsu.edu


Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: cdl0915@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Christian Dylan Losinger)
Subject: fender amps 
Reply-To: cdl0915@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:11:51 GMT


	I'm looking to buy (in a month or so) a new amp. I went amp shopping
yesterday and found that I really liked the sound of a Fender Pro 185. I got a
price of $699 for it. Then I went to another store to see if they could beat
that price. The second store didn't have any (the Great Great House of Guitars
didn't have something, ha!) but they told me to play around with a Fender Power
Chorus, which I did. The amps sounded identical to me (with the exception of
the stereo chorus). I also played around with a Peavey Power Chorus which I
didn't like. I currently have a Peavey Bandit 112, and like it a lot, if that
gives you an idea of what kind of sounds I dig.
	Most of the stuff I'll be playing will be grungy fast stuff but I also
really want an amp with a sweet clean sound that makes the ends of notes mean
something too.

	My first question is : is the addition of the chorus the only
difference between these two amps, and is spending $100 extra worth it for the
Power Chorus?

	My second question is : what other amps are out there, in the $700 and
down price range, 2x10 or 2x12, are there. (I really want to hear what people
like, but if there's something you really don't like, tell me also.)


	-c
        --------------------------------------------------------------
        	c  h  r  i  s   l  o  s  i  n  g  e  r   r  i  t
From: jd3v+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Marshall Daniel)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: RE: House of the Rising Sun
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:33:45 GMT
Organization: Junior, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Thanks to everyone who filled in the chords my caffeine-addled brain
couldn't recall offhand. They are, of course, A7 and Bflat. And yes, I
did forget to include the bass note-it should read Bflat= x 1 3 3 3 1.

Ron Slamp emailed me reminding me that I forgot a verse, as follows:

I got one foot on the platform
and one foot on the train
I'm going back to New Orleans
To wear that ball and chain


Sorry for the lame post, but someone requested a song I knew and I just
got all tingly...

jd
waiting for them to release the marmosets
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,alt.guitar.tab,rec.music.makers
From: jamesb@nevada.edu (James Bender)
Subject: ** New at ftp.nevada.edu(131.216.1.11) for 8/21 **
Originator: jamesb@redrock.nevada.edu
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:48:51 GMT

I'm back!!

	Beatles
		Coming Up t
		I Dig A Poney t
		Taxman c
	Eric Clapton
		Wonderful Tonight (solo) t
	Concrete Blond
		Bloodletting t
	Dan Fogelberg
		Leader Of The Band c
	Jimi Hendrix
		Third Stone From The Sun t
	Paul McCartney
		Live And Let Die c
	Steve Miller Band
		The Joker t
	Roy Orbison
		Crying t
	Pixies
		Caribou t
	Paul Simon
		American Tune c
	U2
		Trying To Throw c

	Everything _should_ be OK now. 

*******************************************************************************
* From: James B     * "Life is a diamond you turn into dust."                 *
* jamesb@nevada.edu *                                       -- N. Peart       *
*******************************************************************************
From: jeff@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Jeff Skaletsky)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: NEED Guitar Help : CHORD PLAYING !
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:51:18 GMT
Organization: Quake Public Access, San Fernando Valley, CA (818)362-6092

In article <1992Aug17.222508.17493@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mvats writes:
>Ok, this is the situation : I've pretty much got the tablature scene down, and
>Basically I know how to play chords <there is nothing to it!>, it is the 

I know a few people who'd argue with you there - especially in the barre
department. :-)

>So, how should I strum ??  Currently, I've been strumming to the lyrics, SO
>basically I would strum on each sylable <sp?>.  Is this correct ?  OR, should
>I just strum at a constant rate and just change chords when I need to ?

I play to the drummer -and if there's no drummer, I simulate one in my 
head.  I do this automatically now that I've been playing for so many 
years - I remember when I started out my strum was very even and 
unvaried - it was all I could do to keep the beat!  But after a while, 
when playing becomes much more natural and automatic, you can start to 
add emphasized strums, fingering changes in mid-chord, doubling or 
quadrupling to the note (16ths or 32nds to the 8th), etc.  A constant 
strum will work of course, but to me that'll be relatively 
uninteresting...  The rhythm guitar is somewhat part of the "rhythm 
section," and therefore play it the way it sounds best to you.  

I tend to play in a syncopated manner, that's *my* style - you have
to find your own...

I've never played it, but in the R.E.M. song, my strum would be like this:

This one goes out   to the one I   love.
  /   /   /    /  ///   /   /  /    /

This is almost a cha-cha...

It seems like it's *almost* in 3/4 - a waltz.. (123 123 12 123 123 12)
so you could strum to any or all of the beats.  (can you tell I'm not 
"schooled" in music?)  At least this is what *I* hear in my head - 
I'm sure it's different for different people...

-Jeff
From: jsjacob@soda.berkeley.edu (John S. Jacob)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Why few people have Perfect Pitch
Date: 21 Aug 1992 09:00:57 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu



I have no idea whether perfect pitch can be "learned" or not, but
there is a way my former music theory teachr always remembered middle
c: he remembers a song that starts out on middle c and would not sound
correct _to him_ otherwise.

I guess this doesn't have to middle c, any song will do. Of course,
this assumes you've learned relative pitch (which can be learned).
Find some song. Any. It could be Michael Jackson's "Beat It" or
Beethoven's Fifth. Just remember the first note (and of course what
note that is) and you'll remember some note well.

This is only an opinion. In fact, I can't do this myself. It seems to
work, however.

BTW: I know more people with perfect pitch than this method has worked
for. My music theory teacher is the only person I know who does this.
I also know two people with perfect pitch.

--
  [======== John S. Jacob ========]
  |   jsjacob@soda.berkeley.edu   |-------- Address ----------+
  | BITNET: jsjacob@ucbocf.bitnet | 747C Loma Verde Ave       |
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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: grady@fraser.sfu.ca (A. Brian Grady)
Subject: Re: Strengthening Fingernails for Fingerpicking
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:24:12 GMT


I've found that I break or tear (my nails tend to be pretty soft)
my nails a LOT less since I started to keep the tips as smooth as
possible.  I file or cut them into shape, then use a couple
of grades of fine sandpaper to smooth further, then polish on
a bit of hard leather. 600 grade sandpaper is good.   
 
I asked the question about hardening nails a while ago, and 
someone (sorry, forget who) said that a product called
Hoof-Flex is great.  It's for strengthening horses hooves, and
it works for human nails too.  A friend who used to be into horses
said that her nails were always great after using the stuff.
I havn't found any yet, but the next time I go into a tack shop
I'm going to grab a can of the stuff and check it out.
-- 
Brian Grady 
grady@sfu.ca -- Psychology Dept, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, BC.
Xref: sparky alt.guitar:7301 alt.guitar.bass:1121 rec.music.marketplace:1166
From: ADCBB@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU (C. Brian Batey)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,alt.guitar.bass,rec.music.marketplace
Subject: FOR SALE: DOD Stereo Bass Flanger
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:47:01 GMT
Organization: LOUISIANA TECH UNIVERSITY


 
I have a DOD FX72 Stereo Bass Flanger (stomp box) that I'd like to get
rid of.  It's practically new, I just don't like the flange effect.
I'm asking $40 for it, but will discuss it with any interested buyers.
Also, I'd be willing to trade it for a Stereo Bass Chorus, Psycho-Acoustic
Processor or a BBE Stinger Pedal.  Please contact me through direct Email.
 
thanx
 
brian
 
adcbb@vm.cc.latech.edu
adcbb@latech.bitnet
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: littlefield@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: little acoustic guitar...
Reply-To: littlefield@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:17:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.135438.10584@hubcap.clemson.edu>, hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (System Janitor) writes:
>Are there any decent quality acoustic guitars that are little enough to
>classify as carry on luggage on an airline? Those little $39.00 kids
>guitars are small enought, but you can't hardly even tune them, much
>less expect them to hold a tune (not that I can hold a tune very well :-).
>
>I seem to remember that James Taylor has a tiny martin in the picture
>on the slip cover to ``FLAG'', but I'm not sure if it is small enough.
>
>I recently saw a battery powered, self contained electric with a built-in
>speaker that was very small (smallish full sized neck with tiny body) that
>was very nice, but I really want an acoustic. And cramped or not, I want
>the neck to be ``normal''.
>
>Any hints?
>
>-Mike

	how 'bout a Chiquita? Haven't played one myself, by I've heard that
they're the perfect travel guitar. You can see ads for one in any guitar
magazine... 

--Kevin

littlefield@binah.cc.brandeis.edu

Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: aash@ms.uky.edu (aash)
Subject: Re: wireless recommendations
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:26:19 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In article <HARPER.92Aug17164843@godot.think.com> harper@godot.think.com (Jim Harper) writes:
>I'm interested in a wireless just wondered if anyone has had good
>or bad experiences with certain brands,models ect...
>The most important feature to me besides having no cord is that
>I want the tone to stay the same.
>
>Thanks in Advance !!!
>Jim



i have a nady 201 now, and used to have the sampson that is
similar to the nady 101.. both work(ed) great... it's the
next thing anyone should get after the guitar, and the amp!
oh, invest in some rechargable 9V and a charger :)

aash
-- 
aash@{ms.uky.edu|ukma.bitnet|ukpr}    "the only thing i ever really wanted to
{backbone|rutgers|uunet}!ukma!aash     say was wrong, was wrong, was wrong."
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,rec.music.classical
From: brownw@hercules (Bill Brown)
Subject: Classical Guitar List - Bounced Addresses
Summary: Can't reach sun.com and numerous in U.K.
Reply-To: brownw@hercules.uregina.ca (Bill Brown)
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Saskatchewan
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:14:14 GMT

My UNIX mailer and a VMS mailer both could not reach the addresses
that follow. sun.com and numerous U.K. destinations were the biggest
problem.  Perhaps a gateway problem??? If anyone can help, please
let me know.

Until I can get mail to these places, I will remove them from the
mailing list.  Those who have it already, sorry for the long header
and bounced addresses.  New version in a few days, you can replace
old one.

Bill brownw@hercules.cs.uregina.ca
   
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	Sun.COM
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From: ccb@axemax.zk3.dec.com (Charlie Bennett)
Subject: Re: Q:Bassman tube amp mods?
Keywords: bassman tubes amp mods
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Nashua, NH
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:21:12 GMT

Does that old Bassman have a presence control?

ccb 

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Xref: sparky alt.guitar:7103 rec.music.misc:21547
From: stephen@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu (Stephen Schimpf)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Help a possible beginner
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:52:05 GMT
Organization: UCLA Dept of Astronomy


Hello, guitar players!

I don't think of myself as being musically talented, but I like many
kinds of music and playing an instrument helps me appreciate the music
I listen to. About six years ago I played around for half a year with
a *very* cheap steel-string guitar. I didn't get very far with this
and have since moved on to a keyboard. I like this instrument, but it
is also inexpensive and I am now increasingly disappointed by the
limited range (61 keys) and the lack of weighted keys. I could get a
better keyboard/digital piano, but I don't have much room and I am
afraid I would still run into music that required the full 88 keys and
would still think of this as just a substitute for a real piano.

So, I have been thinking about an electric guitar. I really don't know
much about them, so I have been reading this group for the last week.
I visited a local Guitar Center and was very intimidated. The sales
people seem to assume you know what you are looking for. At the GC I
saw the Fender Prodigy guitars for $249 mentioned in their radio
spots. I also saw Mexican-made Strats for $50 more. The Prodigy's are
all white and black, with pick guards the same color. I prefered the
Mexican-made Strats I saw--metallic blue with white pick
guards--simply because of looks. The sales guy said go ahead and try
anything out but I didn't. I also saw some Fender ("practice" ?) amps,
the Squire 15 for $69 and the SG Chorus for $139.

Okay, finally my questions. Can anyone tell me if these guitars are
any good and if the Mexican-made Strat is a better choice than these
Prodigy guitars? Also, would the SG Chorus amp be acceptable? Finally,
are there a lot of costs I may not have thought of? I can think of a
guitar stand, strap, tuner, some books.

Thanks a lot for any information.

Stephen
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: 880139h@dragon.acadiau.ca (Rob Hutten)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Ravels Bolero (was RE: Buckethead)
Keywords: jazz, Zappa
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:53:32 GMT
Organization: Acadia University


peugh@wam.umd.edu (General Napolean) writes:

>  Also, i was in the car listening to a local jazz station.  I heard a jazz 
>version of Reval's Bolero.  It was sooooo cool!  Anyone know who did it, and
>what disc/record it's on?

dpm@cray.com (Donald P. Maghrak) writes:

>	I would guess that it's done by Frank Zappa on the live
>	double CD set:   [...]
                                                            ,
This could be, although Django Reinhardt did Bolero on `Un Geant Sur
Son Nuage', which I sorta reviewed back in the Django thread.  Just in
case you missed the thread, get this album.

-Rob
-- 
rob.hutten@acadiau.ca  
hutten@agcrr.bio.ns.ca 
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (System Janitor)
Subject: little acoustic guitar...
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:54:38 GMT

Are there any decent quality acoustic guitars that are little enough to
classify as carry on luggage on an airline? Those little $39.00 kids
guitars are small enought, but you can't hardly even tune them, much
less expect them to hold a tune (not that I can hold a tune very well :-).

I seem to remember that James Taylor has a tiny martin in the picture
on the slip cover to ``FLAG'', but I'm not sure if it is small enough.

I recently saw a battery powered, self contained electric with a built-in
speaker that was very small (smallish full sized neck with tiny body) that
was very nice, but I really want an acoustic. And cramped or not, I want
the neck to be ``normal''.

Any hints?

-Mike
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,alt.guitar.tab,rec.music.makers