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From: sprb_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Michael Sperber)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Lights and Stuff....
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:34:44 GMT
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Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)


  I know that this thing with lights and strobes has gone on for a while
now, however I just have a couple of things to add.  First, what do you
all prefer both on your POVs and department vehicles, strobes, halogen 
flashers, rotating mirrors, etc.; and why?!? 
  Also, I am not a resident of New York, but I do all of my EMS stuff up
here (actually I am from Connecticut), and I have not seen a single vehicle
with strobes (POV or department). Is this a state law, or what??


Mike Sperber
NYS CFR
University of Rochester		        	Brighton Volunteer Ambulance
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From:         "KAREEM A. HINEDI" <K_HINEDI@UVMVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: LIGHTS

I have a quick question for everybody out there ...

If somebody has a permanently fixed lightbar or other type of emergency
signaling device attached to their POV, and decide to drive cross-country,
are they required to remove it ?

-- Kareem Hinedi
From: aa667@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John Griffith)
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Subject: Re: NARCAN
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:13:23 GMT
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In a previous article, ec49726@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Manny C.) says:

>I'm curious as to what drugs Narcan can affect (such as Opiates). From what
>I've heard, it doesn't work on alcohol, but it is administered to pts who 
>have been drinking. How does the stuff work anyway and how effective is it?
>
Manny:

Narcan (Naloxone) is listed as a narcotic antagonist.  It's actions are not
yet fully understood, but the evidence shows that Narcan does in fact
antagonize the opioid effects by competing for the same receptor sites that
the opioids attach to.

Naloxone is used in our area for any altered mental status to rule out the
possibility of a narcotic (opiate based) overload.  Although there is no proof
of the drug working on other types of overdoses (alcohol, depressants etc.), 
is still given as prophylaxis.

There are no known side contrindications for Narcan except for a known
hypersensitivity to it from past useage.

We administer 2.0mg IVP as an initial dose.  I have seen some dramatic effects
using Narcan, but never the violent reactions often taught in Paramedic
courses.  In ten years, I have used Narcan many a time. Probably more
than any other single medication that we carry.

John Griffith
Fire fighter/Paramedic
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                                                        -Queensryche
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From: terrya@MCES.MsState.Edu (Terry Arnsdorff)
Subject: Re: arson
Organization: Mississippi Cooperative Extension Service
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:14:30 GMT

In article <17654.29E840A1@stjhmc.fidonet.org> Glen.Strecker@f2.n390.z1.fidonet.org (Glen Strecker) writes:


> DR>     What are some of the books you would reccomend to a  
> DR> first time reader interested in arson investigation?  Our  
> DR> department (volunteer) is considering having a person take  
> DR> some classes beyond the basic firefighter certification for  
> DR> inter-agency cooperation in possible arson cases. 
> 
>David, 
>        A good basic fire investigation book is FIRE INVESTIGATION by 
>        Kirk, the IFSTA manual FIRE CAUSE DETERMINATION and INTRODUCTION 
>        TO FIRE PROTECTION LAW, by D.L. Rosenbauer.  Also check and see 
>        if there is anyone in your area with the International 
>        Association of Arson Investigators.  The various Chapters of the 
>        IAAI offer annual seminars and other training in arson 
>        detection, juvenile firesetters, fire cause and origin and other 
>        topics related to this field. 
> 
>                                                Glen 
> 
> 
>... OFFLINE 1.35 * Member La. Chapter, I.A.A.I. 


> 

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You may want to check into a two week class offered by the National Fire 
Academy.  The instructors are great!

Terry

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From: Chuck.Lawler@f140.n150.z1.fidonet.org (Chuck Lawler)
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Subject: Full time job
Date: 12 Apr 92 13:47:50 GMT
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Hello everyone!
  Although I've been a user of on-line services for a long time now, I'm 
fairly new to the echomail service.  This is great!  Anyway, the reason I'm 
writing is I want to hear from people in Depts. that will be hiring in the 
near future.  Preferably in California.  I've been a PCF for the Madera County 
Fire Dept. for about 3 years now, and I would like to find full time work in 
the field.  If anyone has any information that may be helpful to me, please 
write me here, or send an interest card or application and test date to me at:
 
Madera County Fire Dept. Co.#16
42905 Hwy. 49
Ahwahnee, Ca. 93601
ATTN:  Chuck Lawler
Any info would be much appreiciated.  Thanx!
Chuck Lawler
MCFD Lt. #16


 

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Date: Thu,  9 Apr 1992 00:01:11 -0400 
From: Ian J Gardner <ig00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: LIGHTS
	<1992Apr8.204231.5102@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>

Whoops -  ok, I'll admit it when I am wrong.  Perhaps NJ does have
legitimate "emergency lights" for POV's.  However, in my home state of
NY, the law states that blue and green lights ARE "courtesy lights". 
There is no provision in it law detailing what they are allowed to do,
other than operate in a normal "vehicular" fashion.

Granted, there are some people who are professional in their driving,
even when responding via POV.  However, there is also a good percentage
of people who respond in a careless or reckless manner.  In order to
preserve the public welfare, it is best that these people are not
allowed to legally go about their careless driving.  That is one of the
primary reasons against laws such as this.  And, it makes sense in most
areas as well...

Ian Gardner
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:21:23 EDT
From:         Sebastian Rueckert <rueckert@AECOM.YU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NARCAN
              Apr 6, 92 11:14 pm

71028000 writes:
> So what was his solution to possible overdoses?  If you know they've ODed (ie:
> the needle is still in their arm, the pills are by their side, etc), then
> go ahead and give small doses of Narcan (our county starts with 0.4mg..I
> understand some places start with 2mg), titrate to effect.  Remember, you
> can always give more of a drug but you can't get back what you've given.
> If you don't know FOR SURE that the patient is an opioid overdoes, he
> suggested intubating and oxygenating, forget the Narcan.
Flame me if I'm wrong but don't protocols explicitly state to give Naloxone
(Narcan) titrated to resp rate, and to stop administration when you get good
air exchange, regardless of LOC? Protocol mileages may vary by region but I
thought that this was the basic premise....

I don't really buy the "pain of skin flaking off" theory... Post surgery there
is a lot more endorphin effect than someone putting on their shirt and loosing
a couple of hundred >dead< skin cells. I can understand post-surgery (or
post trauma) effects of Narcan, but somehow I don't thinkmy hair is causing
me unbearable pain :) (Disclaimer: IMHO!!!)

What is interesting is that some other Naloxone group drugs dont only replace
opiates at the receptor but also have some intrinsic agonist activity (and
therefore are not used very often), so giving somebody a dose of the other
drugs when they >haven't< overdosed actually sends them on a trip...

-sar AEMT-III
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From: mdg@oberon.com (Mark D. Grover)
Subject: "911 Is A Joke"
Organization: Oberon Software Inc; 1 Memorial Dr; Cambridge, MA 01242
Distribution: misc
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:51:46 GMT


A couple of years ago the rap group Public Enemy, noteworthy for its
social commentary, released a song called "911 Is A Joke", which is
very critical of EMS care.  Forgive me if this is an old thread (I
only just got certified), but I'd like to know what was the reaction
to this song on the street and in the rigs.  The song includes lines
like "they come when they wanna" and "They don't care 'cause they stay
paid anyway".

- MDG -
PS. Don't ask me to post the lyrics -- they're copyrighted.  Borrow a
copy of "Fear of a Black Planet" and check out the liner notes.

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Mark D. Grover (mdg@oberon.com)
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Subject:      Re: 911 is a joke

I heard the song was written about the D.C. ambulance.  The services was
(and is) taking some heavy heat from the citizens and press about poor service,
going to wrong addresses, etc.  The song was supposed to be saying what the
citizens felt.

Sorry, for those outside the area that's Washington, D.C.

Mary Ann
From: aa667@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John Griffith)
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Subject: Re: alphanumeric pagers
Date: 12 Apr 92 11:59:24 GMT
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Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, sbuck@EDDIE.EE.VT.EDU (Steve Buck) says:

>Marty,
>   I'd like to know more about that paging service.  I'd heard talk
>about that system coming here to Fairfax County, but haven't seen
>anything yet.   Please e-mail with any info you have on it...Thanks.
>--

My department will be going to the alphanumeric pagers within a couple
of months.  We have found that they are more effective than the age old
voice type pagers or plectrons.  Using a basic software program such as
"PCPage" paging of an emergency is sent to one, two or a whole specified
group of people.  No more loss of transmission, unclear messages or partial
addresses.  It all scrolls across the pager screen.  There are many other
practical uses for these pagers.  Write to me if you need more info.
John Griffith
Fire fighter/Paramedic
Working the burbs of Cleveland
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John Griffith aa667 (Fire fighter/Paramedic)
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 11:05:00 EDT
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Subject:      Re: LIGHTS

Attention to Ian Gardner:
I understand many of your concerns, and I agree with most of them. On the
otherhand, in NJ, blue lights are not considered courtesy lights, the law
states that drivers must pull over if they are in front of a vehicle flashing
blue lights.  Obviously, when responding in my own vehicle with just a blue
light and mirrors on my dash, I'm not as visible as when I'm driving the
ambulance.  But I do take that into consideration and adapt to the situation.
Still though, there are clearly many public drivers who easily do see my light
yet continue to drive and not pull over even slightly.
No ambulance and/or fire engine, according to the NJ law, is allowed to break
any laws, they must stop at red lights and are supposed to stay the speed
limit.  Now we all know that this doesn't happen, and it shouldn't.  After
stopping at a red light, if safe, I'll proceed through the intersection
and if necessary I'll exceed the speed limit as well.  No police officer
will give anyone a problem about that.  But, there is no where in the law that
says emergency vehicles are allowed to do this.
My point is that these same laws apply to POV's with emergency lights.  If
more people understood the law and knew they where supposed to pull over,
then it would be easier AND safer to get to the scene.
Again, in NJ, blue lights are not considered 'courtesy lights', and they
should not be considered so because often, and especially on a pager call,
when I'm responding in my POV I need to get there quicker then if I was
already in the ambulance.
Understand??
Feel free to respond!

-----------------------
Marc Hodosh
NJ & NY EMT
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From:         Ken Lager <kenl@PRO-BERKS.CTS.COM>
Subject:      Re: LIGHTS
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white lights must do some good!!  We(Marshall Fire Dept) use high power
white strobes to set off two traffic lights in our area, even on the
sunniest days.  I would consider that bright enough!!

BTW- Does anyone think if we got an address for someone in DC and had
everyone in our respective departments send one letter, we may, as a group,
get something done?!?!?

                            Ken Lager
                             (kenl)

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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 10:39:35 EDT
From:         Marist EMS <HZA1@VM.MARIST.EDU>
Subject:      Reminder to EMERG-L people

Reminder to EMERG-L folks: (netnews people disregard)

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From: silber@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Jeffrey Silber)
Subject: Re: keys for FD auto-alarms
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:22:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.163131.6589@Princeton.EDU> chinatti@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Stephen A. Chinatti) writes:
>I assume that the district
>chief's cars must have some sort of system where they possess keys for the
>major buildings which have automatic alarms, and to enter the building, they 
>must have the dispatcher send the appropriate series of DTMF tones to 
>physically get access to the key to enter the building.  Is this the correct 
>assumption?

This sounds very similar to the Knox Box system installed in Ithaca, NY.  
The system works as follows:

1)  There is a small, heavily armored, inconspicuous box attached to the
    buildings that have (in this case) direct alarm connections, or are
    otherwise required to have one according to the Building Code.

2)  The box contains the appropriate keys for access to the building.

3)  The Chief's car (and Asst. Chief, Lieutenent, etc.) have a device
    that contains one key that fits all of these boxes.

4)  Dispatch sends a tone out that releases the key from a holder within
    the vehicle.  The time of this is logged. 

5)  When the key is returned dispatch is verbally notified.


There are several features available on this system, and I wouldn't be
surprised if one of them was actually logging the time the key is out of
the holder.

Incidentally the key is a high-security MEDECO lock.



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Subject:      re : 911 t's

If anybody does have that phone number, please let me know it too.  I am
interested in picking a 911 t up too.  Thank you.

P.s.  -  Just e-mail me directly, unless you think everone else might like to
see it again? :)

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From: terrya@MCES.MsState.Edu (Terry Arnsdorff)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: LIGHTS
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:33:05 GMT
Organization: Mississippi Cooperative Extension Service

The Mississippi State law states that only "emergency vehicles with an 
audible siren may exceed the posted speed limit".  The only problem is that 
the state code does not define 'emergency vehicle' and I'm not going to pay 
a lawyer to look back through court decisions.

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From:         Firemen -- Dressed for Sucess!!! <MICHAEL@UNTVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: LIGHTS

>If somebody has a permanently fixed lightbar or other type of emergency
>signaling device attached to their POV, and decide to drive cross-country,
>are they required to remove it ?
>
>-- Kareem Hinedi









Not as far as I know -- but I've also seen cover that say (NOT IN SERVICE)
to cover your bar... look in the Galls Catalog...

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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 00:10:56 EDT
From:         PJ Geraghty <JX655C@GWUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Jeff MacNelly's cartoon

Some of you may be familiar with a recent cartoon by Jeff MacNelly of the
Chicago Tribune.  In it, Wilt Chamberlain talks about his conquests and says
"I'm a legend."  Magic Johnson talks about his HIV+ status and says "I'm a
hero."  A firefighter in turnout gear talks about his job and how he and his
brother run a business on the side and says "You've never heard of me."  The
caption at the top reads "KIDS! Find the positive role model!"

Without getting into a major debate about the significance of the cartoon in
these politically correct (and ignoring the tempest it has stirred in DCFD),
it occurred to me that this would make a helluva a t-shirt, since it brings to
light attitudes I think many of us share.  There are a lot of painful truths in
this cartoon, I think.

With that in mind, I am trying to gauge the interest in such a shirt.  Everyone
I have spoken to around here thinks it's a great idea.  If I find that enough
people are interested, I'll look into the copyright laws etc. and see how much
it would all cost.

If you or someone you know would be interested, please e-mail me PRIVATELY! (In
the interest of keeping the list clutter free, all replies posted to the list
will be ignored.)  The addresses are in the .sig below.  L8r...

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