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From: jbuffer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James J Buffer)
Subject: Re: Kneeling in church
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 00:59:44 GMT

It is because Mass is a community prayer that one should respect the proper 
authorities of the community. The monks of St. Meinrad, alas, may be "experts" 
in some sense but are not the final word. I remember fondly going to Mass at 
the Abbey of Maria Einsiedeln in Switzerland, which FOUNDED St. Meinrad's 
Seminary. I was greatly edified by the monks kneeling on the cold marble floor 
during the Eucharistic Prayer. 'nuff said.
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From:         "Terry Cooper, Computing Services,
              x2014" <SCSD1005@ALTAIR.SELU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gravity-NEUTRALIZING Invention

>From: Future World Leader!! <SWENSONE@ACFCLUSTER.NYU.EDU>
>
>Wrong!
>
>This is all wrong.
>
>I am depressed.

What an informative post!  I am enormously edified.

    <g>    ...terry
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:47:30 EDT
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From:         Chris Fearnley <FEARNLCJ@DUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: World Game Info

Good to see you are still here!  I'm monitoring too.  It's strange how some of
the more knowledgeable Fuller-inspired people are not actively participating.
I think part of it comes from the message Fuller left us that working a making
the world work is more important than preaching to the world about how to make
it better.

      Chris Fearnley    fearnlcj@duvm.bitnet
                        cfearnl@cpp   (I need to find the complete adress for t
his account, sorry)
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From:         "(Jim Lutz)" <jdlaps@DANTE.LBL.GOV>
Subject:      Re: Gravity-NEUTRALIZING Invention

I don't care if he posts about perpetual motion, etc machines, as
long as he builds a working demo first!

	Jim Lutz
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:42:01 -0400
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From:         Future World Leader!! <SWENSONE@ACFCLUSTER.NYU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gravity-NEUTRALIZING Invention

STOP!!!}

I WELCOME THE POSTINGS OF ROBERT E. MCELWAINE!!!

IF PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINST MCELWAINE CONTINUE, LIFE HERE WILL CEASE TO BE
INTERESTING, MEANINGFUL AND FUN.

NO FASCIST WHINERS ALLOWED!

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ERIC SWENSON
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From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)
Subject: Re: Gravity-NEUTRALIZING Invention
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:17:28 GMT

"NAME 'Robert E. McElwaine'" <MCELWRE@UWEC.BITNET> writes:
>                         Gravity-NEUTRALIZING Spacecraft
>
>               NASA should build an experimental spacecraft based on
>          U.S. Patent #3,626,605 [at least $1.00 per complete copy from
>          U.S. Patent Office, correct 7-digit patent number required],
>          titled "METHOD AND APPARATUS FOR GENERATING A SECONDARY
>          GRAVITATIONAL FORCE FIELD", awarded to inventor Henry W.
>          Wallace on Dec. 14, 1971.

Not only does he have to start posting strange irrelevant posts about
perpetual motion machines to Libernet, but now he's here, too. Please
go away, Mr. McElwaine. We don't want you.
--
Perry Metzger		pmetzger@shearson.com
--
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			 Extropian and Proud.
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 09:49:37 PDT
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From:         "(Jim Lutz)" <jdlaps@DANTE.LBL.GOV>
Subject:      Re: Gravity-NEUTRALIZING Invention

I'm not whining.  I just want to see a working prototype.    As they say the
proof is in the pudding.

	Jim Lutz
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From:         gomide@FPSP.FAPESP.BR
Subject:      Apologies re: InterMeta course

PLEASE DO NOT SEND MONEY !
It is with regret that I perform this task. Dr. Gelson V. Gomes. a
professor of the University of Parana, Brazil, has exceeded this
privileges and announced a eletronic course:

> ____________________________________________________________
>        Mastering INTERNET Tools, Seizing METANET Power -
>                      The InterMeta Course
> ____________________________________________________________

I must apologize for this flagrant breach of network etiquette. Please
be aware that Dr. Gelson had no right to do so, since this is against
the rules of our ANSP network, and also against the Bitnet rules.
PLEASE DO NOT SEND MONEY!
I will not discuss what his motivations were. But his account has been
revoked, and there will be no such course through my network.

Please write by normal mail, to:
-> Gelson V. Gomes
-> 358, R. Alvaro Andrade - ap.1201
-> Curitiba PR BRAZIL 80610-240
to get more information on his objectives. He may want to give the
course by normal mail.  :-)

With regards,
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From:         "Terry Cooper, Computing Services,
              x2014" <SCSD1005@ALTAIR.SELU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gravity-NEUTRALIZING Invention

> STOP!!!}
>
> I WELCOME THE POSTINGS OF ROBERT E. MCELWAINE!!!
>
> IF PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINST MCELWAINE CONTINUE, LIFE HERE WILL CEASE TO BE
> INTERESTING, MEANINGFUL AND FUN.
    ...
> ERIC SWENSON
> SWENSONE@ACFCLUSTER.NYU.EDU
> MENUDO@WELL.SF.CA.US
> -------------8============>

People should not be subjected to personal attacks for posting
their views. However, when they make assertions and proposals
that are outside the corpus of conventional science, they should
be held to the same standards of rigorous scrutiny and proof.
Some of Mr. McElwaine's posts have been interesting, but he does
seem inclined to put forth rather unorthodox notions without
much attention to whether or not they've been subjected to the
stringent methodologies of science. In doing so, he opens himself
up to strong and legitimate criticism.

It's one thing to encourage "alternative thinking." It's quite
another to waive the rigorous requirements of scientific
investigation.

   best,
    ...terry
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From:         "Gordon C. Muth III" <GM07661@SWTEXAS.BITNET>
Subject:      PermaCulture???

I attended the OkraFest in Austin this weekend and talked to
someone about PermaCulture and a movement in the direction
of Bio-Regionalism.  Does anyone on this list know anything
of these topics?

From what I gathered from my discussion, PermaCulture has to
do with using the environment around you and reducing your
dependance on the current infrastructure(fuel, elec., food, etc.).

Bio-Regionalism had to do with regional divisions based upon
the natural resources, mainly water based divisions.

Any info would be appreciated as I am quite curious and confused.

        Gordon Muth
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From:         Future World Leader!! <SWENSONE@ACFCLUSTER.NYU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gravity-NEUTRALIZING Invention

Wrong!

This is all wrong.

I am depressed.
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:17:19 -0400
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From:         "(Gary Murphy)" <Gary.Murphy@SOFTWARE.MITEL.COM>
Subject:      dome-shell kits in Florida

Reply-To: garym@maya.isis.org


This came to me in response to a question I left in the new
alt.architecture newsgroup --- I will write to Carey to invite him to
this list, but I thought this might be of interest to the group.

Date:   Thu, 1 Oct 1992 09:58:41 -0400
From: <cmason@encore.com>
To: murphyg@Software.Mitel.COM
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Organization: Encore Computer Corporation, Ft. Lauderdale, FL

Hello,

I have recently completed owner-builder construction of 2 geodesic domes.
After some research, I selected the dome-shell kits from Robt Kirkpatrick in
Ft. McCoy, Fla. These kits are "Pease"-type domes as opposed to "Hub-and-
Strut" construction. Our dome-icile is located in SE Florida. I would be
happy to discuss the advantages/disadvantages, construction and design
experiences or anything else concerning this project or domes in general.

Carey W. Mason

"You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their back"


Gary Lawrence Murphy/murphyg@software.mitel.com/mitel!software!murphyg@uunet.ca
 Mitel Corp - 350 Legget Drive, Kanata, Ontario, Canada - (613) 592-2122 x3709
"It is amazing how different the world looks when we have changed" -- Morita
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:30:13 -0400
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From:         "(Gary Murphy)" <Gary.Murphy@SOFTWARE.MITEL.COM>
Subject:      [cmason@encore.com: Re: dome-shell kits]

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Subject: Re: dome-shell kits
From: <cmason@encore.com>
To: Gary.Murphy@Software.Mitel.COM (Gary Murphy)
Date:   Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:44:18 -0400
+ 2, 92 1:17 pm
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Hello again,

I've only a few minutes right now, so I'll be brief (& send more info Mon.)

Kirkpatrick's kits (I have a 39' and a 45') are each constructed of two sizes
of triangles, pre-assembled, reinforced, braced, with plywood attached for
the outer surface, and the outer surface coated with elastomeric polymer.
We assembled the triangles into pentagons (small tri's) and half hexagons
(larger tri's) and then lifted by crane to assemble the shells. The first
taking two days, the second in one day (thanks to setting the angle of the
section with a magnetic protractor before craning it into position).
This $10 Kirkpatrick trick saved several hundred dollars in crane time, etc.


Here's Bob Kirkpatrick's info:

                        Rt 2, Box 2862
                        Ft McCoy, Fl 32134

                        (904) 6853235


Carey W. Mason


Gary Lawrence Murphy/murphyg@software.mitel.com/mitel!software!murphyg@uunet.ca
 Mitel Corp - 350 Legget Drive, Kanata, Ontario, Canada - (613) 592-2122 x3709
"It is amazing how different the world looks when we have changed" -- Morita
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From:         "(Gary Lawrence Murphy)" <garym@MAYA.ISIS.ORG>
Subject:      Re: is this a discussion list?

In <92Oct3.144426edt.9771@mail.uunet.ca> BALDWIN@cssc.newschool.edu writes:
> Dear Geodesic:
>
> Is this really a discussion list on the topic of Buckminster Fuller?
> If so, I'd like information about it!

Greetings Guy!  Either you're new here, or you have been following some
of our recent threads ;-) but yes, that is exactly why I joined --- if
you have just written to GEODESIC and are not a recipient of the list,
I hope you know you need to send a message saying "subscribe geodesic
(your full name)" to LISTSERV@UBVM.BITNET.

That's your question, now mine:  what is (he asks hopefully) the Center
for Studies of Social Change and the School for Social Research?
Would these happen to have a formal interest in Fuller's work?


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Gary Lawrence Murphy -- garym@maya.isis.org -- (613) 230-6255
        --------------------------------------------
Rely on reality, not a person, a system or a thought - Morita
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From: flanagan@grover (Jim Flanagan)
Subject: Re: Gravity-NEUTRALIZING Invention
Reply-To: flanagan@stat.washington.edu
Organization: Society for Creative Access to Materials
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:59:55 GMT

:                Your favorite university or research company could make
:           a big name for itself by making a small model of this work.

  I should say so...
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Date:         Sat, 3 Oct 1992 14:42:23 EDT
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From:         BALDWIN@CSSC.NEWSCHOOL.EDU
Subject:      is this a discussion list?

Dear Geodesic:

Is this really a discussion list on the topic of Buckminster Fuller?
If so, I'd like information about it!

Guy Baldwin
Center for Studies of Social Change
New School for Social Research
64 University Place, 4th Floor
New York, NY  10003
212/229-5312
Internet baldwin@cssc.newschool.edu
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From:         HRL@PSUARCH.BITNET
Subject:      Re: A _Real_ 'anti-gravity' Bucky Invention

If these kind of technical wonders are unwelcome on this list, then I
would welcome them in the GENERAL Subjects area of DESIGN-L@PSUVM.
PROF. HOWARD RAY LAWRENCE, ARCHITECTURE, COLLEGE OF ARTS AND ARCHITECTURE,
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From:         "(Pierre BARTHELEMY)" <barth@CIRM2.UNIV-MRS.FR>
Subject:      subscription
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How to subscribe ?
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 11:51:45 -0600
From:         RHENNING@MIS.MCW.EDU
Subject:      Software Recommendations for CWIS
Comments: To: cwis-l <cwis-l@wuvmd.bitnet>

Here at the Medical College of Wisconsin we are beginning to examine
other CWIS's and looking for software to run under UNIX.
Can anyone direct me to sources of CWIS software that would store data-text
in ASCII and interface with E-mail. If i'm repeating earlier discussions
please direct me to your archives. thanks in advance.

Rick Henning
Medical College of Wisconsin
MCW Libraries
8701 Watertown Plank Road
Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53226.

RHenning@mis.mcw.edu
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 09:38:13 -0400
From:         Paul Jones <pjones@MENTO.OIT.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      WAIStool for Windows
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Comments: cc: PACS-L@uhupvm1.bitnet, CWIS-L@wuvmd.bitnet

Kevin Gamiel has developed a great collection of specialized WAIS client
interfaces for Windows. Included are WAIS searching tools for the current
US Presidential campaign in which Bush and Clinton answer questions posed by
a single moderator--the moderator being the famous Space Alien from Weekly
World News--actually you get to put your words in his mouth and the
answers come from the speeches given by the candidates.

To pick up your copy of WAIS tool, ftp SunSITE.unc.edu
login: anonymous
cd pub/wais/Windows
binary
get waistool.txt
get waistool.zip

Read waistool.txt for installation instructions.

NOTE You must have the following to use WAIS Tool:
        - Microsoft Windows 3.x.
        - Internet access.
        - MUST be running Novell LAN Workplace for DOS.
Enjoy.
==============================================
       Paul Jones
       Office FOR Information Technology
       University of North Carolina
       Chapel Hill, NC
       Paul_Jones@unc.edu
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:56:11 EST
From:         "A. Marsh Gardiner" <GARDIN@HARVARDA.BITNET>
Subject:      Is there a FAQ for CWIS-l?

Sorry to use up bandwidth for a question like this, but is there a FAQ for
CWIS-l and if so, where can I find it?


Many advTHANKSance,

Marsh

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From: bmiller@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Bill Miller)
Subject: Research Foundations on CWIS
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 04:24:38 GMT

The Ohio State University Research Foundation has been very supportive of the
cwis at OSU and posts information daily.  I have been looking to see how
research foundations use CWIS at other campuses and have only found one other
as I looked on gopher servers throughout the US.

If your university or college research foundation is using the CWIS would you
please let me know either with a follow up or direct mail to my address.

Thank you.
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From:         Jennifer Porro <BL.JMP@RLG.BITNET>
Subject:      News from RLG
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(The following is an announcement from the Research Libraries Group.
It has been cross-posted to several library-related listservs.)

              RLG DEVELOPS Z39.50 SERVER FOR INTERNET USE

October 6, 1992 -- The Research Libraries Group (RLG) has developed a
Z39.50 server for searching its RLIN and CitaDel databases, and 14
institutions nationwide have now successfully tested the server over
the Internet.  The Z39.50 server, when fully implemented, will make it
easier for users of other online catalogs to search RLG's databases.

Z39.50 is a national standard (ANSI/NISO Z39.50) for computer-to-
computer information retrieval that enables users to search other
online library catalogs and information sources using the same
commands they use to search their local online catalog.  As more and
more information providers implement this standard, the goal of global
information resource sharing will come closer to attainment.

The Z39.50 protocol translates commands back and forth between the
requesting system (called a "client") and the system with the database
being searched (called a "server"), even if the two systems run on
different hardware or use different commands and screen displays.  As
long as both systems support Z39.50, users of one system can search on
the other as if it were their local system.

Institutions that have tested RLG's server include AT&T Bell
Laboratories, Data Research Associates, Innovative Interfaces, Library
of Congress, NOTIS, Pennsylvania State University, Stanford
University, University of California at Berkeley, and University of
California Division of Library Automation -- all are members
of a Z39.50 implementation group established by the Coalition for
Networked Information (CNI) and provide feedback to each other on
testing.  Others who have tested the RLG server are Brown University,
Dartmouth College, Gaylord Brothers, OCLC, and University of Tennessee
at Knoxville.  All testers have their own Z39.50 clients.

For more information about RLG's Z39.50 server, please contact:
Lennie Stovel, Research Libraries Group, 1200 Villa Street, Mountain
View, CA 94041-1100; phone 415/691-2259; FAX 415/964-0943; e-mail
BL.MDS@RLG.BITNET or BL.MDS@RLG.STANFORD.EDU (Internet).



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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:39:16 PDT
From:         "(Rick Gates)" <LB05GATE@UCSBUXA.BITNET>
Subject:      Hunt release date
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Due to requests that I give the Net advance warning of the next
release of the Internet Hunt, please note the following:

***************************************************************
*                                                             *
*                   THE NEXT INTERNET HUNT                    *
*               (coming to a network near you)                *
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*                  Midnight (PST), Sept 30                    *
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Be there.