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From: eric@j30264293.reslife.cornell.edu (Eric L. Beyer)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP access on packet radio...
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 06:28:42 GMT

In article <75532@apple.apple.COM> winter@Apple.COM (Patty Winter) writes:
> In article <1992Dec11.051522.5183@mail.cornell.edu> eric@j30264293.reslife.cornell.edu (Eric L. Beyer) writes:
> >
> >-- 
> >   How exactly does direct telnet, ftp, etc. kind of access work on packet
> >radio?  Is it like SLIP, where you're assigned an IP address when you log
> >into the internet system, or does it work some other way?
> 
> You obtain an IP address from your local coordinator. (I understand from
> the AMPRnet address coordinator that an up-to-date list will be posted
> here soon.) Your local person will then update the hosts.net list that's
> distributed to other TCPers in your area so that they know you exist.
> You can go ahead and make connections as soon as you have your address.
> 
> 

-- 
  One last round of stupid questions for now --

   1) Once I have an IP assigned, are there any fees associated with
      accessing the SLIP link?

   2) Is it considered rude to be on that SLIP link for great lengths of
      time (an hour or so), which is average for IRC/Usenet (for me,
      anyway)?

   3) Are there any restrictions on the kinds of services I can use with
      that link (other than the usage restrictions inherent in using
      packet at all)?

   Thanks so much for shedding some light,

--
  Eric L. Beyer
  Proud owner of his rusty A500
  Paper pusher of Solaris Devlopment Group
  (elb1@cornell.edu)

 
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: tedwards@wam.umd.edu (technopagan priest)
Subject: PACSAT software
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 14:04:03 GMT

OK, we snagged the DSP-1232.  So where can we get PACSAT
software from??

-Thomas
 N3HAU
From: PE1OEK%PI8VNW@pa2aga.ampr.ORG
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: reply
Date: 20 Dec 92 13:33:23 GMT
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ik ben blij dat ik hier in het noorden
woon,hier hebben wij helemaal geen
enkel probleem met niet antwoorden of
slechte service.vaak wordt mijn nummer
genoteerd en wordt ik teruggebeld als
een functionaris in gespprek is!! een
anderiedee zou zijn : zelf bouwen,dan
ben je een echte amateur en hebt nooit
zo'n "vervelend" bedrijf nodig.73 Rob

Via Packet Systems VERON Friese Wouden, Beetsterzwaag, Fr. PI8FWD.#FRL.NLD.EU




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From: winter@Apple.COM (Patty Winter)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: TCP/IP information-  Thanks!  And some more questions.
Summary: AX.25 built into KA9Q package
Date: 12 Dec 92 02:54:01 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <9212102244.AA07716@westport.trirex.com> bmehlman@trirex.COM (Ben Mehlman) writes:
>Thanks to all who responded to my plea for information on high speed  
>tcp/ip.  You have all been very helpful.
>
>Next, I will need some software.  I assume I can immediately use an  
>ordinary terminal package to do ax.25 to other stations with the 1270. 

The KA9Q package includes AX.25 protocols (and NET/ROM). You don't need
another terminal program to connect to regular AX.25 packet stations
(including PBBSs and PacketClusters). 

If there are TCP, AX.25, and NET/ROM stations on the same frequency
(not very likely! but I'm trying to make a point) you can have multiple
sessions of different types open simultaneously.


Patty
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From: STEIN_A@mscf.med.upenn.edu (Alan D. Stein)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: looking for an ascii PK232 file
Summary: need help finding file
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:41:34 GMT
Organization: Club (Penn) Med


 
I misplaced a file that I had ftp'd about a year ago containing much 
information about the PK232.  The ascii file had all commands and syntax for 
the pk232 and was very useful.  I'd like to find the file again so that I 
can have it on-line at our school shack.

I've spent the better part of an afternoon searching via archie and ftp-
lists, but I haven't been able to locate the file on any of the places I 
thought I might find it (the har-radio archive sites).

If anyone has the file or any help to offer me with regards to where I 
might find it I'd be very grateful.
 
 
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name=Alan D Stein   email=STEIN_A@mscf.med.upenn.edu   callsign=KA2ZBA
undergrad=Electrical Engineering BSE   grad=MD/Biophysics PhD   Private Pilot
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From: rerickso@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ronald D. Erickson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: Cheapest way to get on packet
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:34:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha


If you buy a Ramsey interface for the C-64, double check
the wiring.  I have seen a posting which alleged there are
serious problems with at least one kit.  I have fielded
complaints on packet radio that, at least one time, all
has not been well with the kits. 

From what I understand, the C-64 computer interface for 
Digicom/64 is compatible for the IBM Baycom series.  If
Baycom does not work, there is another software which should.
I do not remember the name.

I homebrewed my Digicom/64 interface with point-to-point
wiring.  I made only one minor wiring error before I
got it working.  It is better to build with a PC board
if you know of one that is troublefree.  I built my
interface in 1987 before PC boards were being sold.
I put a 130 AC volt varistor on my AC line feeding my
computer system.  I have yet to have had an electronic
problem with my C-64 and packet interface.

If you use Baycom with the C-64, there are some wiring
changes and a different connector which must be wired 
in.

Ron
AK0N
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: norman@netsys.com (Norman Gillaspie)
Subject: Re: NNTP Services via Satellite ??
Organization: Netsys Inc.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 09:00:25 GMT

segrest@bobseg.enet.dec.com writes:


>Greetings,

>Last week someone told me that there was a NNTP news feed being transmitted 
>on one of the satellites accessable via a home satellite system.  If anyone 
>can tell me more about this service, I would very much like to hear from them.

>Thanks in Advance

>--
>Bob Segrest
>segrest@bobseg.enet.dec.com
>KD4PWU

Bob,

	Pagesat Inc. is transmitting a full usenet feed via KU band. Currently
about fifty megs a day uncompressed. I belive we are currently getting
news via 6 or so nntp sources. The dish size as small as 18" will work.

	The satellite receiver and  transmission system is a high powered
narrow band system compared to a video receiver. This kind of eliminates
you using a normal home receiver. This same data receiver and transmission
system is used to provide traffic and common carrier service from various
paging companies to well over 1000 VHF and UHF base stations located on
mountain tops.

	This same transmission system would probably make a good way to
 feed news and email on a broadcast basis to ham repeaters and radio BBS's.

	We certainly would entertain providing some bandwidth for Hams. We
would need to get some help coordinating this. The company is located in
Palo Alto , Ca.

	If you wish information please Email your Mailing address to
pagesat@pagesat.com.

	norman Gillaspie
 

=============================================================================
	Norman Gillaspie         norman.pagesat.com
	(v) 415-424-0380 (fax) 415-424-0405       PageSat Inc.
	For information regarding Pagesat's Satellite delivered usenet news 
  	mail to "pagesat@pagesat.com" or call: 415-424-0380 (ask for marketing)
    	.. Delivering 45+ megabytes of Usenet news each day, at 9600 bps .. 
==============================================================================


Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: SCO ODT 2.0, TCP/IP and Packet Radio
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:22:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.192149.15608@tubbs.UUCP> chris@tubbs.UUCP (Chris Moustakis) writes:
>Hi
>
>I am interested in getting packet tcp/ip going to a friend of mine using SCO
>Unix.  I know this can be done succesfully with packages like ka9q under DOS
>but I would like to avoid this.
>
>Are there any s/w packages available that will interface to tcp/ip to say give
>me a slip link to a destination machine with the same setup?
>
>I would appreciate any information that can be provided

Well Chris, you can slip over an ordinary AX25 connection, but this
is a major pain because there's no way to do automatic connection
setups for your native TCP/IP under SCO. You'll have to us cu to
do that and transfer the open port to your native TCP/IP somehow
without dropping the connection. You're still better off
running KA9Q on a DOS box tucked away in the radio room and let
it act as a router between your Unix ethernet and a KISS TNC and
radio. It understands about ARPing for AX25 addresses to encapsulate
your TCP/IP packets. All your native networking functions on the
Unix box then work normally. You can't do simple AX25 chat sessions
from the Unix console, but you can from the DOS keyboard if that's
important.

If you don't have to interface to your native TCP/IP, then the KA9Q
varient for SysV will work for you. It will use an asy port to talk
to a KISS TNC and radio. Since it contains servers and clients for
telnet, ftp, and smtp, you'll have most of the advantages of your
native system without the hassles of a separate box. The downside
is that if you want to run networked applications across the network,
you can't make use of your socket or streams libraries. The KA9Q
for Unix varient is monolithic.

Gary KE4ZV
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: jpoutre@shearson.com (Joe Poutre)
Subject: Groups in Northern New Jersey
Keywords: lonliness
Reply-To: jpoutre@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:05:28 GMT

Since having left college, and having virtually no money to freely spend
on such extravagances as radio equipment, I was wondering if there are
any groups in the north eastern part of New Jersey working packet who
would be willing to take in a rusty tech, help him recover his lost
knowledge, and give him some equipment to play with until his finances
recover to the point that he can fix his old AT+T 6300, buy his own set,
and strike out on his own.
I live in Jersey City, if that helps narrow down the area I'm looking in.

---
Joseph Poutre, aka The Mad Mathematician	N2KOW
jpoutre@shearson.com
Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human.  At best he
is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe and not
make messes in the house.         -- Lazarus Long, "Time Enough for Love"
From: eric@j30264293.reslife.cornell.edu (Eric L. Beyer)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: TAPR number
Date: 14 Dec 92 03:33:28 GMT
Organization: The Solaris Development Group
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In article <FTPqVB1w165w@beagle.UUCP> chandler@beagle.UUCP (Jim Chandler) writes:
> I am looking for the TAPR number.  I understand that they sell circuit 
> boards for TNC and modems for packet use.  Thanks
> 
> ------------
> Jim Chandler, KD6IRV
> sactoh0!beagle!chandler

-- 
  Could somebody post that number publicly?  I too would like information
  on TNCs.. Thanks..

  Also, what is the difference between a TNC and a modem designed for
  packet use?

  Thanks again..
--
  Eric L. Beyer
  Proud owner of his rusty A500
  Paper pusher of Solaris Devlopment Group
  (elb1@cornell.edu)
From: david@stat.com (David Dodell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: Is there an Internet AX.25 gateway?
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 21:34:56 MST
Reply-To: david@stat.com (David Dodell)
Distribution: world
Organization: Stat Gateway Service, WB7TPY

u2d92@seq1.keele.ac.uk (MJ Gumbley) writes:

> I was wondering if there is a gateway between Internet and the AX.25 network,
> so I could still "chat" to the amateur community? 
> (I realise that this may be problematic, in terms of the licencing conditions
> and allowing non-amateurs to effectively send data over the air - just
> wondering...)

I run such a gateway, the only problem is the third-party restrictions
between the United States and other countries.

Here are the instructions for those where this might night apply:

                             How to Use the WB7TPY
                          Packet <-> Internet Gateway

First, some brief operational notes:

(1) Messages must not contain any foul language, or commercial purpose.
(2) Messages can only be sent to countries that the United States has
    a third-party agreement.  All others will be destroyed.
(3) Messages from the internet should be less then 5K in length.
    No files should be sent.
(4) If you have questions, please do not hesitate to contact me either on
    packet radio: WB7TPY@WB7TPY.AZ.USA.NA       -or-
    Internet    : david@stat.com                -or-
    Fidonet     : David Dodell @ 1:114/15

(5) Have fun.  Use the gateway as much as you like.  That is what it is 
    there for.

                                    ------
                            From Internet to Packet
                                    ------


Send mail to the internet address of:

gate@wb7tpy.ampr.org

The first line of text must contain a full packet address, proceeded with the 
word "Packet:"

For example, mail to my packet address, would have the first line of text;

Packet: wb7tpy@wb7tpy.az.usa.na


                                    ------
                            From Packet to Internet
                                    ------

Send as private mail (never a bulletin) to the packet address of:

gate@wb7tpy.az.usa.na

The first line of text must contain a full domained internet address, 
proceeded with the word "Internet:"

For example, mail to my internet address, would have the first line of text;

Internet: david@stat.com



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      Internet: david@stat.com                  FAX: +1 (602) 451-1165
      Bitnet: ATW1H@ASUACAD                     FidoNet=> 1:114/15
                Amateur Packet ax25: wb7tpy@wb7tpy.az.usa.na
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: lanzo@tekelec.com (Mark Lanzo)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP access on packet radio...
Organization: Tekelec, Raleigh, NC
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:09:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.220308.20651@mail.cornell.edu> eric@j30264293.reslife.cornell.edu (Eric L. Beyer) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.215327.14296@gecko.uucp> lanzo@tekelec.com (Mark Lanzo) writes:
>> In article <1992Dec11.051522.5183@mail.cornell.edu> writes:
>> >   How exactly does direct telnet, ftp, etc. kind of access work on packet
>> >radio?  Is it like SLIP, where you're assigned an IP address when you log
>> >into the internet system, or does it work some other way?
>> 
>> You must get an IP address(es) assigned to you.  ...
>> .. Probably someone 
>> in your area coordinates this and will give you an IP address.  Best bet
>> is to log into one of the local packet stations which is running
>> some form of NOS and leave a message to the sysop asking where
>> he got his address from.
>> 
>> Note that machines which accept IP connections normally also accept
>> straight AX.25 connections, so if you are just trying to *connect*
>> to another node which is running IP protocols, then you don't have
>> to do anything special, and IP addresses never come into the picture.
>> Since you mention telnet & ftp though I assume that you are actually
>> running some form of NOS at your end, so you'll need to get an
>> IP address before you can go any further.
>> 
>   Okay, but how would I do that?  And does the IP address necessarily have
>   to change if I move to a different area? Like if I wanted to read email
>   from Florida instead of NY?

As I previously mentioned, the only help I can offer here is that you
should log on to a station running TCP/IP (using a straight AX.25
connection!) and ask the station operator how he got his IP addr assigned.
Or ask at a local club meeting or something ...

In theory, your IP address should not have to change; but in practice
I believe it almost certainly will.  At least locally, our IP addresses
are subclassed on geographic location, although I gather that the
reasons for this may have had nothing to do with any sort of technical
issue ('nuff said there).

          73  --Mark Lanzo-- KD4QLZ
          lanzo@tekelec.com
From: m22755@mwvm.mitre.ORG (Terry Alford)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Reply to "Packet-Radio Digest V92 #342" (12/19/92 10:13:50)
Date: 19 Dec 92 15:17:04 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP access on packet radio...
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:05:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.220308.20651@mail.cornell.edu> eric@j30264293.reslife.cornell.edu (Eric L. Beyer) writes:
>   Okay, but how would I do that?  And does the IP address necessarily have
>   to change if I move to a different area? Like if I wanted to read email
>   from Florida instead of NY?

Because of current nameserver and router limitations, it's best to
have an IP address that correlates with your RF connectivity. So
you need an IP address for every RF zone where you wish to operate.
This is a can of worms because of the incomplete state of the amateur
network.

Gary KE4ZV
From: winter@Apple.COM (Patty Winter)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: TCP/IP information-  Thanks!  And some more questions.
Date: 13 Dec 92 05:25:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Dec12.170751.1638@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) writes:
>In article <75508@apple.apple.COM> winter@Apple.COM (Patty Winter) writes:
>>
>>If there are TCP, AX.25, and NET/ROM stations on the same frequency
>>(not very likely! but I'm trying to make a point) you can have multiple
>>sessions of different types open simultaneously.
>
>It's not just likely, it's assured in our network. We do level 0 based
>on terrain and connectivity, not protocol.

Thanks for the clarification, Gary. Here inhe Bay Area, the TCPers
are on their own frequency, as they seem to be in many areas. 


Patty

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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Re: high-speed RF modems on half duplex 
From: Steve_Wright@kcbbs.gen.nz (Steve Wright)
Date: 16 Dec 92 03:56:30 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes:   
  
>  
>In article <1992Dec8.190356.1748@ultb.isc.rit.edu> cep4478@ultb.rit.edu ()  
>writes:  
>>  
>>I have a datacomm question with regard to high-speed modems like the GRAPES 
>>(56 kbps) design.  When it comes to actual implementation, if you're using  
>>these modems for high-speed point-to-point links, I can see where it's  
>>worthwhile to go to a fast modem.  However, it appears that most of the  
>>hardware that supports these high-speed devices (including the NOS drivers  
>>that support DMA) are half-duplex.  
>>  
>> [stuff deleted]  
>>  
>>Is the CSMA environment what these modems are designed for, or are they  
>>really intended for point-to-point so-called "backbone" links?  
>  
>Both. In interactive mode on a contending channel, they feel like  
>a Telebit in PEP mode, a little jerky, but usable. It's when they  
> ...  
> ...  
>  
[[>If you operate full duplex through a cross band digital repeater, ]]  
[[>full CSMA-CD can be implemented. That improves channel thruput    ]]  
[[>wonderfully as the hidden terminal problem is eliminated.         ]]  
>  
>Gary KE4ZV  
  
Hi Gary, All,  
  
This sounds great!  How is the collision detect implmented ? Do you just  
shut down the transmitter (or gate off the TD signal) if you detect a  
collision ?  What does your reciever recognise as a collision ?  
  
Regards,  
Steve - ZL1BHD  
  
   
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: bruce@spillman.uucp (Bruce Hunsaker)
Subject: Re: Linux-based KA9Q-NOS
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:28:03 GMT
Organization: Spillman Data Systems

In article <11DEC92.23660933.0078@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> A7AM <A7AM@UNB.CA> writes:
>Greetings,
>For those who might be interested in, especially for a-kevinp@
>microsoft.com, here are the addresses:
>1. the latest version of WAMPES at ucsd.edu/hamradio/packet/
>   tcpip/wampes;
>2. nic.funet.fi/pub/OS/Linux/util/tcpip/ka9q.
>

I got the latest version of WAMPES src from ucsd.edu, and just for your
information: It has only been tested on HP-UX (HP's variant of UNIX).
You must have HP's supplied TCP/IP software or you're in for a lot of
hacking to get it to work (include files will be missing...). It has 
some enhancements so it will compile on SUN, but according to the notes,
these had not been tested.  

To restate: I found WAMPES is not a 'generic' UNIX implementation of NOS.
							  ---

That doesn't mean that if your ambitious enough you shouldn't try to get
it running on your variant of UNIX.  I looked at these problems and
decided I didn't have enough time to tackle it at this time. One of the
reasons I wanted it was becuase we have an HP-UX machine here, but no
TCP/IP software/hardware for it, so I thought that this would be a 
quick and dirty way to get a SLIP connection to it, so it could be on our 
network.

Well... To make a long story short, We are still running the old KA9Q 
NET (890421), which did compile without too much trouble on several of 
our UNIX machines (HP-UX and an old AT&T 3B2).  I was looking to 
replace it, becuase there have been a lot of enhancements since that 
version, BUT (I hope I'm wrong here) there no longer seems to be an 
up-to-date version of KA9Q NET/NOS for (generic) UNIX machines.

--
Bruce  KG7WI
bruce@spillman.com     ...!uunet!spillman!bruce
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.packet
Subject: Just one more question..?  
From: Steve_Wright@kcbbs.gen.nz (Steve Wright)
Date: 16 Dec 92 03:56:28 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

>  
>--  
>    Somebody kindly sent me a telephone number for a company  
>that makes/sells ham packet equipment.  Like a bonehead, I  
>proceeded to lose the message.  Could somebody provide me with  
>such a telephone number?  
>  
>    Much appreciated..  
>  
>--  
>  Eric L. Beyer  
>  Proud owner of his rusty A500  
>  Paper pusher of Solaris Devlopment Group  
>  (elb1@cornell.edu)  
  
  
Hi Eric,  
  
did I send you some info, I thought I did, anyway ..  
  
Gracilis Packet Radio Products,  
1-708-801-8800 or fax 1-708-844-0183  
or email info@gracilis.com  
  
these guys have some very nice gear. tell 'em I sent you.  
  
Steve - ZL1BHD