From: fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M)
Subject: Re: Gee, where did all these Baathists come from?
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:52:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.201005.21895@ulrik.uio.no> e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) writes:
>In article <Bw83nD.J5@ecf.toronto.edu> fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M)
>writes:
>>In article <1992Oct16.114426.8673@ulrik.uio.no>
>e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) (Elie Dib Wardini) writes:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes Rached, the Lebanese government under the presidency of Amine Gemayel,
>>>September 1983, officially asked Syria to withdraw its forces from Lebanon.
>The
>> 
>>[Some Material was deleted]
>>>
>>>elie wardini
>>
>>
>>Would that date happen to be a year after the "israeli" invasion brought
>>him to power?.  Or would it be a year after the Syrian Troops were
>>only stationed in the Bekaa Valley and the israeli's were occupying
>>two thirds of Lebanon and only a few miles away from Damascus??
>
>Yes! and so? and so what?
>
>
>yes the Syrians have interests in Lebanon: but whose interests do you want to
>defend?
>
>just tell us clearly! Lebanon's or Syria's?
>
>if it is Syria's then we have little to discuss about.
>
>>Samir M. Fahs
>
>
>elie wardini

Lebanon's and only Lebanon's ya Elie.

And those who know me personally know that for a fact.  I was hoping
that this "discussion" would not take on a personal tangent.
It is noticeable from your above igneous inuendos that once again
you have resorted to the age old tactics of attacking the 
opponents patriotism in hopes of discrediting them.


What I said is that the timing of Mr. Gamayel was in
the midst of a regional problem. And around the days
that he was negotiating the now infamous accord of
the 17th of May, and what that entails with in security
threats to the region.  Keeping in mind that 
the syrians have always tried to maintain a certain presence 
in Lebanon and close to their border (even before their
intervention) for strategic reasons, also as it has later 
became evident in their more recent set of accords with the 
Lebanese government, it becomes hard to see how it was
expected of syria at the time to would have complied with that
request. 

The difference between the two of us is that I DO REALIZE
the "israeli" ambitions in Lebanon and the neighbouring
countries and that DICTATES on me to view the problem
from a regional perspective as well as a domestic one.
Which could also mean that I have to view the securities
of Syria and Lebanon as mutually bonded.
 
Much as we try to deny it but our problem is regionally
linked. NOT that solving the regional problem solves our
own bigger problem of getting people to accept the
much needed reforms, which entails giving up the privilages.

You might have mistaken my unwillingness to compare Syria
with "israel" as a support of their interference in 
our affairs, sorry that is not the case. I do not believe
I've ever said aything to the contrary.
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