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From: robert@landru.mtc.ti.com (Robert Treese)
Subject: Re: Dallas *ice!cream!notes*... How sweet it is!
Keywords: n
Organization: Manufacturing Technology Center, Texas Instruments, Dallas
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:20:06 GMT

In article <auwen.719082579@convex.convex.com> auwen@convex.com (John David Auwen) writes:
>In <1992Oct14.152838.10831@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> blah@maas-neotek.arc.nasa.gov (TWF) writes:
>>I disagree.  I think that Aikman has tried to hit Harper once or twice
>>(at least in every game I've seen - all but 1), and Harper has dropped
>>the passes.  Until Harper proves that he can make a tough catch and
>>take a hit, the way Irvin and Novacek and even K-Mart do, I doubt he's
>
>Did I see Harper make a couple of great catches or did I just dream it?
>I know he made at least 1 really good catch.  How many times were balls
>thrown his way?  It used to be nothing but Novacek, Novacek, Novacek, and
>now it's Irvin, Irvin, Irvin...
>
>Dave

I am not disagreing with you but I hear a lot of Cowboy fans talk about
how Irvin did not do well last year until Steve B came in when Troy
got hurt.  This is not true when Aikman got hurt Irvin was the leading
receiver in the league.  Aikman threw it to Irvin all last year too.

I just had to get that off my chest.

Robert
From: eha@postman.hsn.no (Ernst Halvard Sandjord)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Raiders and Wright
Date: 16 Oct 92 08:36:16 GMT
Organization: Nordland College

Who will the Raiders cut or put on IR to make room for Wright?

Ernst

GO RAIDERS!
From: v073pzuy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Mr. Tinkertrain)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: John Elway's Comebacks.
Date: 8 Oct 92 01:48:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct7.200009.1853@advtech.uswest.com>, yslas@riverauswest.com ( Rob Yslas) writes...
>In article <ld4a59INN934@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, deguc@holein1.Corp.Sun.COM (Bob Deguc) writes:
>> In article 14300@vexcel.com, jic@vexcel.com (jic account for NAVY) writes:
>> > Elway 4th Quarter Comebacks against NFC teams:
>> > 
>> > 1984 vs. New England
>> > 1985 vs. Atlanta
>> > 1985 vs. San Fransisco  *
>             
>> > 1987 vs. Green Bay
>> > 1987 vs. Chicago        *
>            
>> > 1987 vs. New England
>> > 1988 vs. San Fansisco   *
>             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> > 1991 vs. New England
>> > 1991 vs. Phoenix
>> 
>> I dunno, us Buffalo fans ain't too bright, but isn't New England
>> in the AFC?????
>> 
> 
>Gee, you are right that Buffalo fans aren't bright since New England does not
>have a star next to it. :-)

Psst!!!  Hey, buddy...here's a clue...Phoenix, Green Bay, and Atlanta are in
the NFC, and they don't have stars next to them, either!!!

Pass it on...

>-- 
>yslas@advtech.uswest.com
>Thanks
					---Chet Zeshonski

Schottzy on Elway:  "One of these days, after my coaching career is over, I'm
going to sit down and figure out exactly how much money John Elway has cost me."

This will probably not sit well with San Francisco fans (who cares?), but Elway
is probably the greatest come-from-behind QB of all time (yes, even better than
Joe).
From: un032221@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Should Marv Levy Be Fired?--Yes
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:33:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Oct6.203708.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
> In article <Bvq5BI.5v0@acsu.buffalo.edu>, evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - CIT Network Operations) writes:
>> -doug the Dolfan- writes...
>>>      I certainly hope you don't think Buffalo was a better team that year.
>>>When they played the most important game in the season they failed. You know
>>>what they call a loss by one point? A loss. When the chips were down the
>>>better team won. Just because the Bills tend to score quickly doesn't mean
>>>they are a better team.
>> 
>> Hey Doug, why don't you try pulling your head out of your ass before 
>> you speak. We can hear you better that way.
>> 
Uh, oh.  You can almost feel the seering heat of an upcoming flamewar can't
you?
>> 
>> Doug
>> 
>>                                   |                              Doug Evans
>         Well, well, well looks like we have a pissed off Buffalo fan here.
> Did I say something to offend you? Do you think my head is in my ass? Why?
> Well I just got out of my logic class and I think that this is a fallacy
> of "an argument against the person" ( the abusive type). I speak about a 
> team losing the championship game and all you can do is tell me my wallet
> muffels my voice. If you don't have anything intelligent to say then why don't
> you just shut up. I hope this isn't what all Buffalo fans are like.
>         The point I was making was that if a team loses the championship
> then they were not the best. I think you're just frustrated with the size
> of your penis! 
> 
>                              -doug THE dolfan-

	Didn't take long to start did it?  The response about the head in the
ass was not exactly logical, but the Bills were the better GROUP OF PLAYERS in
SB 25, but the Giants, due to Parcell's brilliance had a better game plan,
executed that plan to perfection, and played harder.  That made them the better
TEAM, but the Bills had more talent, and had they had even an average ability
coach they would have beaten the Giants in Sb 25.  This is not to say that just
because they scored a shit of alot of points that the Bills were the better
team, but overall, the Bills had a higher talent level. Again note the
distinction between TEAM, and GROUP OF PLAYERS.  This distinction wasn't
mentioned before, but I am sure that was what Doug Evans was trying to
indicate.
	-Skins fan with just one thing to say: "WAY TO GO MONK!!!"
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From: wgb3@pyuxf.uucp (25336-buoni)
Subject: Re: Dallas was beaten by bad luck, not the eagles!
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 16:10:45 GMT

>
>Look at last night's game, a break here and there would have turned the game
>to the opposite direction. Eagles got all the breaks --- Cunningham fumbled
>twice, and lost none. 

When I watched the game last night (taped it since I was at the VET) it 
appeared to me that Emmitt Smith had the ball strip from his hands.  If the 
EAGLES get the call the game is over before it starts.

Personally, I felt the EAGLES played below par offensively.  Sure, Walker had a
great game, but Cunningham was off.  I also noticed that Seth Joiner's early
injury (ankle?) seemed to allow Novachik (sp?) to get open several times across
the middle.  

Face it: the COWBOYS got whipped!  They have potential, but the EAGLES are 
clearly the better team.  

Bill


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From: mas@cray.com (Michael A. Sand)
Subject: Re: POOL - Results from Week #6
Reply-To: mas@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:35:35 CDT


In article 13379@colorado.edu, davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) writes:

>THE SCORES
>----------
>Away                       Home
>*------------------------------------------------*
>[17] Atlanta		[21]*Miami            
>[17] Philadelphia	[24]*Kansas City 
>[21] Phoenix		[31]*NY Giants        
>[24]*San Francisco	[12] New England
>[17]*Pittsburgh	[ 9] Cleveland     
>[ 0] Seattle		[27]*Dallas           
>[ 3] NY Jets		[ 6]*Indianapolis     
>[ 3] Buffalo		[20]*LA Raiders       
>[38]*Houston		[24] Cincinnati       
>[10] LA Rams		[13]*New Orleans      
>[ 3] Denver		[34]*Washington        
>


The Pittsburgh/Cleveland winner above is wrong.  Cleveland won 17-9.
From: auwen@convex.com (John David Auwen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Telecast of Lions-Vikings game
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:00:24 GMT
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Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Oct15.184130.22737@unislc.uucp> jag@unislc.uucp (John Ganske) writes:

>   Are all (non-blacked-out) ESPN and TNT games also on local channels?
>   I didn't notice since I was living in an NFL desert for the past 4 years.

I think so.  When the Cowboys were on ESPN last year, it was also shown on
a local station.

Dave
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Subject: KC beats Philadelphia
From: mguruswami@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:20:20 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

Yes Kansas City beat Philadelphia
score 24-17
--Go Chiefs

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From: pc0837@sarah.albany.edu (COHEN PAUL L)
Subject: JETS vs INDIANAPOLIS
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 12:38:53 GMT

Being a true Jets fan, my hopes for their utter destruction of the Colts
may be blinded. I do feel that the Jets have a satrong enough, not great, 
offense to score more than 20 pts against the young Colts defense.
However, I am worried about Indi's no-huddle offense implanted by Marchibella.
I am interested in your comments on the Indi offense vs. the Jets defense.

                                      -Paul
                                      pc0837@sarah.albany.edu

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From: rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner)
Subject: Re: Two Different Games Eagles/Cowboys
Reply-To: rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:48:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.201456.22710@csc.ti.com>, rscott@ra.csc.ti.com (Roderick
Scott) writes:
> It's Amazing How Fans For The Cowboys, And Fans For The Eagles Saw Two
> Games In One...
> 
> Cowboys Fans States:
> They Beat Themselves ...
> 
> Eagles Fans States:
> It Was The Defense That Caused Them To Be Themselves..
> 
> Let's Hear From Some Non-Cowboys/Eagles Fans On Which Game They Saw..
>
 
The Eagle defensive pressure caused the offensive
problems for the cowboys. No doubt about it.

> This Should Settle The Argument....

   I doubt it, the cowboy diehards will still disagree.
   And that's OK. 

Richard Turner
DOLFAN
From: tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Oilers waive receiver Harris
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:16:34 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct15.135858.26774@cis.ohio-state.edu> martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens) writes:
>
>Did Green Bay sign Harris?  I read that if he cleared waivers, the
>Oilers wanted to sign him to their practice squad.  Certainly the
>Packers need someone to replace the stiff (Sanjay Beach) starting
>opposite Sterling Sharpe.
>

The Packers did sign Harris.  To make room for him they waived
Buford McGee.  I was a bit suprised to see McGee cut rather than
Harry Sydney, since McGee was the better blocker.  I guess Holmgren
decided he wanted the player most familiar with his system.

-Todd
From: austin@cs.widener.edu (Jeff Austin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Who the hell was Al Michaels?
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:06:34 GMT
Organization: Widener University CS Department, Chester PA
NNTP-Posting-Host: shirley.cs.widener.edu


	OK, I know who Gifford was, and not that I care, I know who Dierdork
	was.  But can someone clue me in on Al Michaels?  Does he have anything
	even remotely related to football in his past?  The only thing people
	seem to be able to tell me about him is that his left eye is crooked.

					Jeff

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From: jeffr@ssec.wisc.edu (Jeff Ramin)
Subject: Re: Packers starting QB - Majik or Favre
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Space Science and Engineering Center
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:39:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.180156.17796@macc.wisc.edu>, heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
|> 
|> When was the last time 9-7 got a wildcard in the NFC?  Last year the 
|> 49ers didn't make it at 10-6.  In 1989 the Pack didn't make it at 
|> 10-6.  Look at the teams the Packers will be competing against for 
|> wildcards, Redskins, Cowboys, and/or Eagles, and the 49ers or Saints.  
|> The Packers have to go 8-3 for the rest of the season to have a chance 
|> at a wild card.  Forget it.
|> 
|> JGH

The only reason the Packers didn't make it to the playoffs in '89 is 
because there was one fewer wild card then.  They added another one
starting with the '90 season.  And although there have been 3 teams in
the last 3 years {I think} from the NFC that haven't made the playoffs
with 10-6 records, this is a rarity.  Mainly attributable to the fact 
that the NFC has been a much stronger conference than the AFC the last
few years.

The NFC is once again looking very strong, so you may be right about 
needing a 10-6 record, but who knows?  The Jets were in the playoffs
last year with a cruddy 8-8 record.
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From: yslas@riverauswest.com ( Rob Yslas)
Subject: Re: ELWAY BEST THERE IS ...
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:28:27 GMT

In article <92134@netnews.upenn.edu>, satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
> FYI: John Elway has lost as many Super Bowls as Fran Tarkenton.  When the
>      Vikings played in 1971 (?) against the K.C. Chiefs (Len Dawson, MVP),
>      their quarterback was, I believe, Joe Kapp.
> 

I thought that Tarkenton was on all four SB losses that the Vikings have suffered.
Elway has lost three SBs.  The Broncos lost in the 1978 SB to Dallas with Craig
Morton "Salt" (I couldn't resist :-) as the QB.  The three SB losses in the '80s
were with Elway at QB.

Rob

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From: schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Schmidt Computer Rankings through 13-Oct-92
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:03:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

Here are my computer rankings through 13-Oct-92.

Philadelphia continues to be #1 even with the loss to Kansas City.  The
only unbeaten team Miami moves up to #4.

My rankings went 3-8 against the spread for a season total of 35-38-2.
They went 8-3 in picking winners for a season total of 47-28-0.

Note that I have tailored my rankings for the college game.  In the next
few weeks I might look into making a version tailored for  the pro game.

I welcome comments and suggestions.

Kevin
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Rank Team                      Points  Record Strength  Last Week    Change
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1    Philadelphia              85.090   4-1-0  73.835  (  1,  87.995)  +0
2    New_Orleans               78.225   4-2-0  74.133  (  3,  80.638)  +1
3    San_Francisco             78.152   5-1-0  69.230  (  2,  81.136)  -1
4    Miami                     77.977   5-0-0  68.538  (  5,  77.945)  +1
5    Kansas_City               77.736   4-2-0  69.802  (  9,  74.407)  +4
6    Houston                   77.109   4-1-0  68.831  (  7,  76.018)  +1
7    Dallas                    77.017   4-1-0  71.489  (  6,  77.360)  -1
8    Buffalo                   75.088   4-2-0  69.988  (  4,  80.299)  -4
9    Washington                74.157   3-2-0  71.299  ( 13,  71.462)  +4
10   Tampa_Bay                 74.028   3-2-0  69.787  (  8,  75.100)  -2
11   Minnesota                 73.007   4-1-0  69.261  ( 10,  73.515)  -1
12   Detroit                   72.904   1-4-0  73.688  ( 11,  73.425)  -1
13   NY_Giants                 71.271   2-3-0  71.809  ( 14,  70.792)  +1
14   Pittsburgh                71.048   3-2-0  67.333  ( 12,  72.902)  -2
15   Atlanta                   70.378   2-4-0  71.543  ( 17,  69.447)  +2
16   Indianapolis              69.705   3-2-0  71.766  ( 15,  70.250)  -1
17   LA_Rams                   69.251   2-4-0  71.831  ( 20,  68.326)  +3
18   Chicago                   69.023   2-3-0  73.157  ( 18,  69.322)  +0
19   Denver                    68.697   4-2-0  72.336  ( 16,  69.559)  -3
20   Cleveland                 68.544   2-3-0  70.956  ( 22,  65.306)  +2
21   Phoenix                   67.499   1-4-0  76.312  ( 19,  68.478)  -2
22   LA_Raiders                67.353   2-4-0  70.978  ( 25,  61.922)  +3
23   Green_Bay                 65.818   2-3-0  70.599  ( 21,  66.405)  -2
24   Cincinnati                64.533   2-3-0  68.543  ( 23,  64.266)  -1
25   NY_Jets                   64.059   1-5-0  69.337  ( 24,  63.826)  -1
26   San_Diego                 61.136   1-4-0  70.804  ( 26,  60.606)  +0
27   Seattle                   59.429   1-5-0  69.314  ( 27,  59.205)  +0
28   New_England               57.487   0-5-0  69.196  ( 28,  56.632)  +0
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Date: Saturday, 10 Oct 1992 03:57:10 EDT
From: <3ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: A Detroit Lions History Question

In answer to your query about the Billy Simms' "kung-fu" action, I can
only answer a couple of your questions and not the most important ones
at that.  I was at that game, it was in the Silverdome.  Billy was
trying the hurdle the would-be tackler.  As I recall there was no
penalty.  I do not recall who they were playing nor who won the game.
Robert Newby
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From: bill@neocad.com (Bill Bentley)
Subject: Re: Who the hell was Al Michaels?
Organization: NeoCAD, Inc.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:49:49 GMT

In article <Bw3K57.F6J@mail.boi.hp.com> keithg@boi.hp.com (Keith Glasson) writes:
>Jeff Austin (austin@cs.widener.edu) wrote:
>: 
>: 	OK, I know who Gifford was, and not that I care, I know who Dierdork
>: 	was.  But can someone clue me in on Al Michaels?  Does he have anything
>: 	even remotely related to football in his past?  The only thing people
>: 	seem to be able to tell me about him is that his left eye is crooked.
>: 
>: 					Jeff
>: 
>
>
>	I don't know where Al comes from either, but it looks like
>	he got a hair transplant during the off-season. Anybody
>	else notice? It looks like it's just starting to grow in
>	there on his forehead.
>
>	-Keith
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++

Al Michaels's claim to fame -> He was the announcer in the 76 or 80 Olympics
when the US hockey team won the Gold medal. He also did Monday night baseball.

Bill B
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From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Cunningham's QB rating
Followup-To: John Gloria's post on KC game 
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:45:19 GMT


>>
>>All you have to do is give him a slightly better-than-average
>>line, and a solid running game and you can see the results.
>>He's the best QB in the NFL right now.
>>
>>And it's no fluke.

>FINAL SCORE:

>Eagles  17  Kansas City 24

>Need anymore be said?  BTW: I didn't see the game, but how did
>Cunningham look in this game?
-- 
>  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	

Cunningham looked scared and sleepy, since he was on his back most of
the game. Of course I was watching the Dolphins game at the same time
and only looked up occasionally at the KC game. On those occasions
however when Philly had the ball it looked like Randall and Derrick
Thomas were practicing ball room dancing d8~) only they kept falling
down. I think I heard that Randall got sacked 6 times. I wouldn't
doubt it since it seemed like every time I looked he was either running
out of the pocket or holding a Chiefs convention on his helmet. Yep, he
get's my vote for the best QB going right now........NNNOOOTTT!

That's all.

John T.

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From: rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith)
Subject: Re: Still need TE is Shannon Sharpe a TE or WR?
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:36:09 GMT

jcollins@sparkle.tnis (Jon Collins CT/90) writes:

>>Thank you for all your help.  It has come down to Hall of (TB) or Sharpe
>>(DEN)  the controversy is IS SHANNON SHARPE a Tight End or Wide Reciever.  
>>Please mail Replies immediately.  Thank You for your help again.>
>>
>>Jacob

>Shannon Sharpe is definately a WR.  I just picked him up this week for my
>fantasy team.  Hopefully he will keep his average up with The Vance back!
>Jon

The Official NFL Fact and Record Book for 1992 has Shannon Sharpe listed
as a TE, not WR. I dont know of many 6-2, 230lb WRs...

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From: Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU (Go GIANTS!)
Subject: Re: Hail to the Redskins
Organization: Yale University Computing & Information Systems
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:04:11 GMT

In article <Rick_Genovese-131092084314@ycc-kstar-node.cis.yale.edu> Rick_Genovese@qm.ycc.yale.edu (Rick Genovese) writes:
>From: Rick_Genovese@qm.ycc.yale.edu (Rick Genovese)
>Subject: Hail to the Redskins
>Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:42:17 GMT

>The 'Skins are on a roll.  It looks like it will be a GIANT massacre
>Nov.1st.

>Congratulations Art Monk !!!

I did say that I hate the skins, but complimented them on a game well won.
Giant massacre huh????????????????

Hey Rick, I know where you live and work buddy! ;-)  Lets take another look 
at our teams around the end of october and re-visit this massarce scenario.


Adriene L. Nazaretian        
Yale University              
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From: asif@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Dallas Philly NFC championship game?
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 04:47:03 GMT

Dallas Philly in NFC championship game?
What do u think?

Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:45:46 -0400 
From: "Calvin D. Swartzentruber" <cs6t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Apology - take foot out mouth :-)

Give the guy a break.  Here he is, trying to apologize, and all you are
doing is creating more animosity.  I think you need to take the pole out
of your own eye, before commenting on the splinter in your brother's
eye.  Grow up yourself.

Calvin
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