From: nikolay@cs.tut.fi (Tchamov Nikolay)
Subject: SUMMARY: Image Processing on IBM-386
Keywords: SUMMARY: Image Processing on IBM-386
Reply-To: nikolay@cs.tut.fi
Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Finland
Date: 5 Oct 1992 12:04:35 GMT


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About 2 weeks ago I have posted the article bellow, and I am happy
to have the attention of some of you. According to the request in
some of the letters, here I am posting summary of the letters sent 
to me. 

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Newsgroups: comp.dsp,sci.image.processing,comp.parallel,comp.soft-sys.khoros,
alt.binaries.pictures.utilities
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1992 07:30:42 GMT

Dear Coleagues,

I am interested to know your opinion about the Image Processing 
software for IBM-PC/XT/AT - specially for machines who do not have
capabilities to run UNIX so easy. Of course the question is due to
need to use not expensive machine for some basical tasks in that 
field.

We have got a good demo disk for "IMPRO-LAB" of "Hyperception".
It is a software-system offering about 100 routines writen in "C"
for linear and non-linear processing of images on IBM-PCs, with
16-gray-levels for VGA. It looks nice, but the price even after
the unuversity discount is a bit high (US$ 2,000). 

We have KHOROS runing on our SUN-machines, but its PC-version
requires UNIX on PC, which takes about 10MB oper.memory and not
small hard disk space.

Would you like to advice me about some other Image Processing
software packages available on the market telling me your personal
opinion about them and the address (preferably FAX-number and/or
E-mail), to allow me to make the rignt choice.

I hope this will help as well some other persons reading those
news groups.

Thanks a lot in advance for your consideration and help.

Regards

Nick

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Nikolay Tchamov, Signal Processing Laboratory     Tel: 358-31+16-1885
Tampere University of Technology                  FAX: 358-31+16-1857       
P.O.Box 553, SF-33101 Tampere, Finland       E-mail: nikolay@cs.tut.fi


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>From yurij@watson.ibm.com Thu Sep 17 17:51:59 1992
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 92 10:48:46 EDT
From: yurij@watson.ibm.com

hi
  pick up a copy of "sky and telescopy" magazine. amateur
astronomers are developing pretty sophisticated software
for pc's to process their ccd images. all under $300.
you'll find the advertisments in that magazine, amoung
others of its type.
yurij

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>From gt4417a@prism.gatech.edu Thu Sep 17 20:12:47 1992
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1992 13:12:47 -0400

I work for a company called Earth Resources Data Analysis Systems
located in Atlanta, Georgia USA. We offer a VGA image processing
package that may be a little less than the other price you 
mentioned with an educational discount.

You can fax a request for information to Stan Quinn at the 
fax number 404-248-9400. I'm not sure but we probably have
a sales representative in your country. 

jps
bf
-- 
Joel Skelton   --    North Avenue Trade School, Dept. of Round Things
gt4417a@prism.gatech.edu   (ask for Scooter Technologies, and receive)

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>From AKARPOWICZ@mta.ca Thu Sep 17 20:58:31 1992
Date:    Thu, 17 Sep 1992 14:56:32 -0300 (ADT)
In article <1992Sep17.143149.21238@hubcap.clemson.edu>, you write:
>
>                               Sept 17th, 1992, TUT, Finland
>
>Would you like to advice me about some other Image Processing
>software packages available on the market telling me your personal
>opinion about them and the address (preferably FAX-number and/or
>E-mail), to allow me to make the rignt choice.
>

I have been looking for answers to similar questions.  I found two
packages for about $1000 each:

ImageNSight from:
Imaging Automation, Inc.
7 Henry Clay Drive
Merimack, NH 03054
Tel.: (603)598-3400  Fax: (603)598-3422

and Accuware from:
Automated Visual Inspection
2519 Palmdale Ct.
Santa Clara, CA 95051
Tel.: (408)296-4947  Fax: (408)296-4940

Both are very similar, have quite a number of functions and can manipulate
images only in monochrome, although are equipped with false color. It really
depends on what you need them for.

I did not buy them yet - I hope to get something cheaper.  Of course there are
a lot of packages good only for play with pictures.

Could you e-mail me responses you get? 

Adam

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>From y1@wilbur.psu.edu Thu Sep 17 22:56:41 1992
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1992 15:56:37 -0400

Would you post a summary please?  I am interested in it.  And since DOS can
only address <1MB, I guess the best bet is OS/2 software, although I have
not seen what OS/2 is alike yet.

thanks in advance

Yang
-- 
	Zhaohui Yang			<>	P e n n . S t a t e
	Dept. of Eletrical Eng.		<>	Tel. (814)863-7056
	Pennsylvania State Univ.	<>	E-mail: 
	University Park, PA 16802	<>	   y1@wilbur.psu.edu

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>From chou@aludra.usc.edu Fri Sep 18 06:53:48 1992
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 92 20:33:42 PDT

Dear Nick,

I have a image processing software which is running under MS-WINDOWS. This
program is the product of Microtek, one of the pioneering scaner vendors in
Taiwan. If you purchase Microtek's color scaner, you will get one free copy
of this software and user's manual.

I attach this software to my E-Mail. Please use "uudecode" to decode it,
you can get a file named "PHOTO.EXE". Then, run this program under MS-DOS.

I hope you will like it !

Regards

Andrew Chou
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begin 600 PHOTO.EXE
M35H0   !  ( .@[__Y4/@ "13@,    < "  #@!^ >T6 /P&'@Z,R $&. &Z
M$C8Q%LZ3&;H^@)MZ%588V+&!6=/3I^7/\;Y^G<^&:^.=10J<I&'\)6VK@FCG
MO'B!>!TQL%*'$*<2(="A*#\@5%<4D$86,]E<<'W@J:V3!(F8,U0O8=!P*5##

...............................................................
...........(the code is about several hundered of KB)..........
...........( So why I am not including it in the Summary)......
......... .(for this code please send mail to the Author) .....
................................ (Nikolay) .................... 

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>From ekkers@ph.tn.tudelft.nl Fri Sep 18 17:54:11 1992
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 92 16:54:12 +0200

Dear Tchamov,

A few months ago I put a demo version of TIM for Windows on CICA. Maybe this is
what you are looking for. You can get it from:
- ftp.cica.indiana.edu, in pub/pc/win3/demo: timwin.zip
- ph.tn.tudelft.nl, in pub/upload: timwin1.exe, timwin2.exe, timwin.txt and 
  timwinbr.zip (a Postscript brochure).

TIMWIN (the full version) is commercially available for US$ 990.-. This is
an introduction offer.

Give it a try and let me know if you have any questions.

Rob Ekkers
ekkers@ph.tn.tudelft.nl
University of Technology, Delft, the Netherlands

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>From newberry@as.arizona.edu Fri Sep 18 23:08:45 1992
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 92 13:08:36 MST

I will have our literature package sent to you regarding MIRA (Microcomputer
Image Reduction and Analysis) package.  It runs under DOS 5.0 on 386 and 486
computers and requires a super VGA card based on an S3, ET-4000, or
Paradise video processor chip (cost US$100-300).  These boards are the
most common VGA/SVGA boards that can be found.  Software also requires
numeric coprocessor and 3 button mouse. It runs only in 256 color modes and 
at up to 1024x768 resolution. Has fully windowed graphical user interface.
This is a PROFESSIONAL quality package and is as good or better than
any other package you will find on any hardware platform.  It has only
been available for 6 months and our foreign marketing is just getting
started.  The list price is $995 per copy and will almost certainly be
available to you below that price. It works with 1-dimensional and
2-dimensional images in 8-bit, 16-bit, and 32-bit real format, up to
2048x2048 pixels. All video and mathematical operations run at the fastest
possible speed because they are written in assembly language.  The User's
Manual is excellent (300 pages). There are over 100 different functions.

Mike Newberry, PhD
President
Axiom Research, Inc.
Box 44162
Tucson, AZ  85733   USA
(602) 791-2864  (tele and fax)


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>From pigeons@jsp.umontreal.ca Mon Sep 21 13:32:14 1992
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 92 06:31:04 EDT

In article <1992Sep17.143149.21238@hubcap.clemson.edu> you write:
>
>                               Sept 17th, 1992, TUT, Finland
>
>
>Dear Coleagues,
>
>I am interested to know your opinion about the Image Processing 
>software for IBM-PC/XT/AT - specially for machines who do not have
>capabilities to run UNIX so easy. Of course the question is due to
>need to use not expensive machine for some basical tasks in that 
>field.
>
>We have got a good demo disk for "IMPRO-LAB" of "Hyperception".

Well... 386 with a 387 math coprocessor would do fine, but the most
important part is the software. I've a little 286/287 station, and
by writing (ah, modesty) some state-of-the-art routines, it is suita-
ble! I think that you could run (also) DOS applications from WINDOWS 3.x,
or simply call Timo Salmi at garbo.uwasa.fi (your "global" neibourgh).
He might have some source that runs under DOS. They're be Turbo Pascal,
but they are easier to read in general than C code.

Looking over ftp site ftp.uu.net migh permits you to get P.D. or Shareware
software that does what you want.

ftp.uu.net
systems/ibmpc/simtel20/<graphics/Turbopas/C/etc>

	S.

 _ ___  __       __ _  | Steven Pigeon
(_  |  (__ \  / (__ |\ | alias Garfield (for my temper, I guess)
__) |  (__  \/  (__ | \| U1625@JSP.UMONTREAL.CA
==Computer Science & Operation Research, Universite de Montreal==

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From: schuette@quip.eecs.umich.edu (R. Wade Schuette)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1992 03:20:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep17.143149.21238@hubcap.clemson.edu> nikolay@tut.fi (Tchamov Nikolay) writes:
>
>I am interested to know your opinion about the Image Processing 
>software for IBM-PC/XT/AT - specially for machines who do not have
>capabilities to run UNIX so easy. Of course the question is due to
>need to use not expensive machine for some basical tasks in that 
>field. ...
>
>We have KHOROS runing on our SUN-machines, but its PC-version
>requires UNIX on PC, which takes about 10MB oper.memory and not
>small hard disk space.
>

  I don't know, but would it be possible to run Quarterdeck's version 
of X (for DOS) on the IBM workstation as a client and run Khoros on the SUN as 
an x-server and get the best of both investments?  Anyone know the answer 
to that, cause I'd like to do it if anyone else has.

Wade
 
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R. Wade Schuette        | 
+1 (313) 996-7479       |   "This sentence no verb." 
schuette@eecs.umich.edu |

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From: gsulliva@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Glenn A Sullivan)
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1992 01:14:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep17.143149.21238@hubcap.clemson.edu>, nikolay@tut.fi (Tchamov Nikolay) writes:
.......
> I am interested to know your opinion about the Image Processing 
> software for IBM-PC/XT/AT - specially for machines who do not have
.........
> [Price even after] the unuversity discount is a bit high (US$ 2,000). 

Loren Heiny of Arizona State Univ has "EYESIGHT" image processing workbench
(my phrase) for the 386/486. It even has a macro language. Cost is WELL
under $1000, maybe even under $300. And there was a shareware version posted
to Compuserve in past years. And he has available a library of "C" image
routines. Work is USA (602)966-0695; home is (602)829-6711.
Allen SUllivan    friend of Loren, also ASU graduate

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From: gumley@ltp2.gsfc.nasa.gov (Liam E. Gumley)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 16:28:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep21.144154.9783@hubcap.clemson.edu>, schuette@quip.eecs.umich.edu (R. Wade Schuette) writes...
>In article <1992Sep17.143149.21238@hubcap.clemson.edu> nikolay@tut.fi (Tchamov Nikolay) writes:
>>
>>I am interested to know your opinion about the Image Processing 
>>software for IBM-PC/XT/AT - specially for machines who do not have
>>capabilities to run UNIX so easy. Of course the question is due to
>>need to use not expensive machine for some basical tasks in that 
>>field. ...

You should check out IMDISP.  It runs on just about any DOS PC, utilizes
graphics cards from EGA to SVGA, does most basic IP functions (histogram,
contrast stretch, zoom, shrink, smooth, edge enhance, adjust color palette
etc etc), it's public domain, and written at JPL.
It can read 1,2,4,8,16,32 bit integer binary images, as well as PDS/VICAR,
FITS, and GIF.
You can get a copy from oak.oakland.edu in pub/msdos/graphics/imdisp77.zip
(I think - it's on there somewhere).

Cheers,
Liam.

--
Liam E. Gumley                            | Phone    : (301) 982-3700
NASA/GSFC MODIS Science Data Support Team | Fax      : (301) 982-3749
Research and Data Systems Corporation     | Internet : gumley@ltp.gsfc.nasa.gov
Greenbelt MD, USA                         | Opinions expressed here are my own!


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Nikolay Tchamov, Signal Processing Laboratory     Tel: 358-31+16-1885
Tampere University of Technology                  FAX: 358-31+16-1857       
P.O.Box 553, SF-33101 Tampere, Finland       E-mail: nikolay@cs.tut.fi

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Nikolay Tchamov, Signal Processing Laboratory     Tel: 358-31+16-1885
Tampere University of Technology                  FAX: 358-31+16-1857       
P.O.Box 553, SF-33101 Tampere, Finland       E-mail: nikolay@cs.tut.fi