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From: mdm@world.std.com (Michael D Meachen)
Subject: Re: Collective nouns (was: Vulcans on ST:TNG)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 17:40:19 GMT

 
>A gaggle of Vulcans?  I thought it was a fascination of Vulcans.
>
>What are the collective nouns for the other ST life forms?
>
>	A flock of Andorians.
>	A siege of Borg.
>	A pride of Bejorans.
>	A bevy of Betazoids.
>	A seduction of Metamorphs.
>	A conspiracy of Romulans.
>	A crash of Klingons.
>	An annoyance of Ferengi.
>	A brilliance of Organians.
>	An ostentation of Q.
>	A heap of Tribbles.
>	A mob of Iotians.
>	A corps of Androids.
>	A watch of Proto-Vulcans.
>	A cowardice of Pakleds.
>	A gang of Gorn.
>
>Any other suggestions?
        
        A cringe of Weslies
        A cleavage of Counselors
        A belly of Rikers
 >>>       
haha


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From: ram@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Stormbringer)
Subject: Re: Who was hot on ST: TNG
Organization: Never Never Land
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:53:21 GMT

>	Forget all of the women named up to this point.  Does anyone
>recall the first season episode "Angel One"?  Well, Mistress Biada (?) is
>one pretty lady.  Lucky for Riker, huh?  I don't know who played her, but
>she looks kind of familiar?  Does anyone know who she is and where she
>might be from?
>
>Does the song "California Dreaming" ring any bells for you???  Yes indeed
>this bodacious babe is none other than the 40+ year old Michelle Phillips.
>IMHO her daughter still has a long way to go to catch up with the original!

I think Chynna is doing a great job catching up  :)

she's a one hot number!  :)



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From: hinson@maxwell.physics.purdue.edu (Jason W. Hinson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Review of "Imzadi" by Peter David - numerous spoilers!
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:43:01 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current,. University of Betazed
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department

In article <1992Aug27.225158.448@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:


Spoilers! 




>I think I'll divide this review into sections, like so:
>
>Plot, Characterizations, Style and Dialog, Originality, Continuity
>
>
>PLOT:
>

Pretty much agreed here

>CHARACTERIZATIONS:

I don't know if I agree here in that not spending a lot of time on Troi
was much of a fault.  The book obviously ment to focus more on Riker 
(as you said), and if it had failed in it's attemp, then it would have
been bad characterization... but anyway...

>
>STYLE AND DIALOG:

greed here!

>
>ORIGINALITY
>Here's where the shoe drops.
>Riker coming to Troi's rescue, and then they fall in love.
Given-- but the excellent style does give it some freshness

>A villain who doesn't ever want to be captured.
Given.

>A despondent old man remembering the glory days of his youth.
True, this is not an original idea, but to apply it to RIKER?  Who
would of thought of Riker as such a man?

>All these things struck chords of cliche within me, and thus lessened
>my enjoyment.  Another irker: pulling a Chameloid out of a pocket
>seems too easy a plot device.
But Riker even knew of the Chameloid... we were the ones who were suprised
by it. I don't know... I didn't have much of a problem with this... It wasn't
like the Chameloid was pulled out of thin air to save the plot, in fact it
wasn't absolutly necessary to the plot.

>Still, despite some of the non-original situations (also the use of
>the Guardian), the knotting together of them is sufficiently engaging
>enough to compensate a little, and of course fresh dialog will always
>help.  But those are graded seperately aren't they?

I don't know.  I think that not only should the originality of the ideas
be considered, but also the originality in the way they are used.  I think
his style of using them (or his style in general) should also be considered
original.  For example- yes, we have seen the Guardian used before to fix
history (as he reminds us in the beginning of the book), but here we are 
unknowingly seeing the false universe first.   The time puzzle wasn't 
necessarily incredibly fresh, but the way in which it was handled was.
(My $0.02)
>
>CONTINUITY
I think I can give you this, but there were some interesting contiuity
points that were done well... the first meating of Troi and Riker on
the big E, for example.


>
>Overall grade: 
>B

I personally give it closer to an A.
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From: Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: ST:DSN Cast Announced
Date: Tue,  1 Sep 92 23:26:51 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Paramount announced the cast for Deep Space Nine on Monday, getting the
front page of USA Today's life section on Tuesday.  I looked through 
the Star trek Newsgroups for the info before posting this, so if someone
else has already posted the info, sorry for the Deja Vu.

    S T A R   T R E K  :  D E E P   S P A C E   N I N E

    CASTING ANNOUNCEMENT


AVERY BROOKS (Commander Benjamin Sisko, in charge of DS9): His most memorable
  role was as Hawk on the ABC series "Spencer: For Hire" with Robert Urich.

NANA VISITOR (Major Kira Nerys, Bajoran first officer): Played the role of
  Bryn Newhouse on the short lived series "Working Girl" (based on the film)

RENE AUBERJONOIS (Odo, he shapeshifting alien and "special character" of t
  the show): Well known as Clayton Endicott III on the long-running ABC sitcom
  "Benson", he was also Colonel West in "Star Trek VI", the role that was put
  back into the film for the video version (he presented Operation Retrieve and
  was also the assassin at the end of the movie).

TERRY FARRELL (Lieutenant Jadzia Dax, the Trill science officer): Long list of
  credits including the films "Hellraiser III" and the Rodney Dangerfield film
  "Back to School"; her major TV credit was as Laurie Caswell on the Lloyd
  Bridges/ABC series "Paper Dolls"

COLM MEANEY (Chief Operations Officer Miles Edward O'Brien): We all know him
  from the same role in ST:TNG.

ARMIN SHIMERMAN (Quark, the Ferengi administrator): Long list of TV guest
  credits including "Beauty and the Beast," "Quantum Leap," "Murder She Wrote,"
  "LA Law" and "ST:TNG" (he played Ferengis in both "Last Outpost" and "Peak
  Performance" as well as the uncredited Wedding Box in "Haven") (yes, that was
  Armin's face)

SIDDIG EL FADIL (Dr. Julian Bashir, Lieutenant J.G.): A British-born Arab actor
  for which DS9 marks his American acting debut.

CIRROC LOFTON (Jake Sisko): A twelve year old African American actor seen in
  the film "Beethoven"; this marks his TV debut.

Rosalind Chao (Keiko) will be a semi-regular on the show, as she is on TNG; no
mention on the castings of Naag, Quark's son; on Gul Dacel, the Cardassian
captain; or on the Bajoran spiritual leader (whose name escapes me.)


Credit to Jim Shaun Lyon for compiling the additional info not included in
the Paramount Press Release.
From: v062nm65@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Chris J. Randall)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: I Borg question  (spoiler?)
Keywords: "Do I have a name?"
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:48:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <jverho80.715205831@ursa>, jverho80@ursa.calvin.edu (Jeff Verhoef) writes...
>I just watched the rerun of "I Borg," and I have a small question...
>  (possible spoiler though)
> 












> 
> 
> 
> 
>Ok, I hope this works....anyway, I hope this hasn't been discussed before
>when it originally aired.  If it has, just e-mail the answer to me.
> 
>When Bev and Geordi have the adolescent Borg in the lab and are asking his
>his "means of identification,"  Bev explains to him that humans have names.
>She says, "I am Beverly, and this is Geordi."  The Borg then says, "Do *I*
>have a name?"
> 
>I'm pretty sure he says that.  Anyway, why does he say "I" in that particular
>instance but doesn't use "I" again until Picard confronts him?  Is this
>just a little slipup that no one caught, or am I just missing some
>fundamental Borg thing?  Given the collective nature of the Borg, this
>seems really strange to me that in that moment he uses a personal pronoun
>but before and afterwards he uses a collective pronoun until he says, "*I*
>am Hugh."
> 
>Please help me figure out this one.
> 

I caught this one, too.  Then he goes right back to using "we" for everything. 
I think it was just a mistake that got by editing.  Kindof surprising, though.


> 
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From: rjc@devo.unify.com (Ronald Cole)
Subject: Re: Geordi Dies/Scotty Lives/Triva Contest
Organization: Unify Corporation, Sacramento, California
Date: 28 Aug 92 10:33:48

In article <Rou3PB4w164w@kryton.UUCP> ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead) writes:
   > ObTrivia:  # of Lost in Space episodes - 84 (including the never aired pilot)
   >            which aired from 9/22/65 to 3/6/68.
   Was the "never aired pilot" the one in which they first leave for 
   Alphacenturi?  And shows Dr. Smith sabataging the Robot and getting
   caught on the ship when it takes off...etc..etc??  If this is true, then
   I do remember seeing it, although that was quite a few years ago, I was
   about 8 or 10 at the time.  This could have been mearly the first episode,
   and the pilot is something else entirely.

The "never aired pilot" had the space ship called the Gemini and there
was no Dr. Smith.  It was chopped up and cleverly edited into the
first five episodes.  You have seen 45 minutes of the original 55
minute pilot, just not the way it was intended.

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From: charlesk@fraser.sfu.ca (Charles Hak Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: a little controversy on the episode: the perfect mate
Date: 1 Sep 92 04:17:34 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

jliukkon@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Juha-Matti Liukkonen) writes:

>Hee hee, this is simple: the word "kamala" is Finnish, and literally
>means "horrible". No wonder Picard won't sleep with her :)

Bonus.  I seem to remember, back when I was just a youngin' that there
was a really fat wrestler on WWF called Kamala.  Weird.

Regards,

Charles H. Kim

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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: Why San Francisco? (was Star Trek vs Real Life)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 01:59:32 GMT


I had heard that the reason San Fransisco was chosen was for its initials,
SF, which can be short for either StarFleet or Science Fiction.
From: mmadsen@eecs.umich.edu (Martin Madsen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Somehow, I missed SOMETHING??
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:55:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: sawtooth.MMADSEN.92Aug27105550
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: University of Michigan


   Someone *PLEASE* Help me.  I was working on Saturdays, and I missed
most of last season's Episodes... If someone could post a summary of
each new episode, or e-mail me, or at least tell me where I can get a
summary via magazine/book I would REALLY appreciate it.
    
   Also, I REALLY missed something big... What was the Season Fanalie
(sp) about??? (I know, I know, but I was working... :(.. ).  Sometimes
I really feel stupid for ever workin Saturday nights.  Also, Is there
going to be a rerun of the Finalie before the Premiere?

				Confused, lost,
				Regretting working Saturdays,
				Missed most of the ST:TNG seasons,
				Who's Q???


	mmadsen@adirondacks.eecs.umich.edu


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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239)
Subject: Debt of Honour
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 03:41:26 GMT

I have been reading this group for awhile, but have been curious to note
two things.
1. There was essentually no mention made of the Debt of Honour Graphic
Novel put out by DC comics, which surprises me. I thought it was very
well written with some very nice art by Adam Hughes. The price was a bit
steep, but that probably wasn't too much of a deterrent. I'm curious as
to any oppinions people may have had on it.

2. Very little mention of the comic books. Perhaps it belongs on
rec.arts.comics, but they are certainly never discussed there. Again,
any opinions?


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From: rtiger@vax1.umkc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: The Enterprise Stinks!
Date: 29 Aug 92 23:00:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: vax1.1992Aug29.170031.1
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City


All-

I must say once and for all that I think that the Starship Enterprise is the
most ridiculous looking starship ever dreamed up by people in Hollywood/dead
authors/etc.

I mean, let's be realistic.  First off, it has a frisbee shaped top. 
Considering there isn't much friction in space, why not go with a big cylinder,
and get more square feet for your money?  Then, we have to toothpick shaped
things which I assume house the "engines" (boy, when was the last time the
Enterprise stopped for gas) and the "torpedoes" (which make that cool blastoff
sound even in the midst of a vacuum).

Let's be real.  They should all be in something much more practical and
economical.  This current design sucks.

Roy Tiger.
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From: pettypi@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Carl Pettypiece)
Subject: Re: B5:  <-- a way to solve the problem???
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 03:11:17 GMT

In article <n0-nj0d.obrien@netcom.com> obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien) writes:
>I don't expect I can *solve* the issue, but my suggestion is that if Babylon
>Five posts continue to add to the r.a.s.* traffic (especially .current),
>then would the posters please insure that all subjects begin with the
>characters "B5:"
>
>Then, when folks get tired of it, they can easily killfile it, and those
>who wish to see it here (until r.a.B5 ???) can still see it.
>
>Considering the traffic on some *light* groups, I'm of the opinion that
>B5 is *already* popular enough to have its own.  I don't think it
>belongs in r.a.startrek.ANYTHING, but I understand the contary viewpoints.
>While I am interested, I wouldn't wade through r.a.sf.tv for it, at
>least until I've seen an episode...

I'll second this motion, at least for now...everything else seems
a little lame at the moment, anyway.  I have the same mixed
feelings as Bob does, and also agree that the traffic on this
topic should warrant its own group, but until then....

>
>	my $0.02 for today,
>		Bob

I'll see you and raise you $0.02!
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From: ricky@adx.adelphi.edu (Ricky Glass)
Subject: Re: Was TOS really that bad? (Re: TOS actors)
Organization: Adelphi University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 07:07:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.045603.24039@cs.tu-berlin.de> hal@cs.tu-berlin.de (Eberhart Adam) writes:

>I absolutely disagree with your degradation of TOS. (btw my wife too)
There was no degradation stated, it was just a fact the the TOS actors
were/are not noted for thier acting ability.  In addition, the show
never intended to do that.  It was sci-fi all the way.

>Even *much* better actors as the present ones could not overact the
>shapelessness and paleness of the figures in TNG.
Have you ever watched, I mean really watched TNG?

As far as the acting, it is excellent.  I really don't see much better
as on TV.

> OK, the special
>effects are much better...
Pure technology.  There are 50's movies that are classics but, hey, if
you look hard enough, you can see the strings.

>In TOS there have been characters as you and me they have been
>identificable
In all the years of watching TOS, never did I find myself relating to
characters.  The show was pure sci-fi enjoyment.

> -  but a moaning supersensual counsellor is not my first
>choice for good sci-fi.
A 'supersensual' counsellor *is* my first choice, in every sense of the
word.  Btw, what episode did she moan?  I *must* see that one. :-)

I like the sound of that word 'supersensual'. :-)
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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239)
Subject: Re: PAD
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 04:33:15 GMT

In article <92242.215329DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I'm pretty sure that Peter David has posted to the net ( not this group, tho );
>does anybody know his e-mail address?????

PAD ocassionaly posts to the rec comics groups, but I can't say that
I've ever really noticed his email address. However, I would *strongly*
recommend not emailing him unless it was somthing very important. If it
is just fan mail stuff I'm not sure if he would like to get it on his
computer. Not sure, but I know it might bug me if I were in his place.

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From: gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Who Might Play Sisco?
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:05:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Aug26.160528.2726
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <4898@sumax.seattleu.edu> hirayama@sumax.seattleu.edu (Pat Hirayama) writes:
>At CreationCon last weekend in Seattle, the clues they were handing
>out were:
>	1.  the character will be played by a male, bald African-
>	    American actor.  It was implied that he has been on
>	    one other tv show and was successful in it.
>	2.  It is not Louis Gossett, Jr.  

	Aha!

	Played Hawk on SPENSER.

	Good choice. Great voice.

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From: mwiz@mpd.tandem.com (Marc Wiz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Cinefantastique October 92: Are you kidding?!
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:07:19 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <94592@bu.edu> kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar) writes:
>
>I thought Ron Jones was the best of the composers, too.  His themes
>for WNOHGB were lyrical electronic scores.  It's ashame that they
>didn't let him rip loose.  Unfortunately, they never did let him to
>that in future episodes, save BOBW. I had always hoped that they
>would continue in this vane.

IMHO the best part of the BOBW1 soundtrack was the part where Picard
says "We have engaged the Borg" with the chorus of voices in the 
background.  That was a chilling moment.

Marc

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From: jasonl@gagme.chi.il.us (A Conrad Bain Wanna-Be)
Subject: Re: Trek, Season 6, and B5 (was: Re: Season 6 Transporter
Originator: jasonl@gagme
Organization: Kentucky Fried Chicken, Tehran--A Subsidiary of gagme, Chicago, IL
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 02:44:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.224402.25728@tfs.com> paigen@tfs.com (David Paigen) writes:
:>schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
:>
:>[talking about something else...]
:>
:>>As I've espoused before, science fiction necessitates scientific
:>>inaccuracy and inconsistancy.  When you construct a universe that
:>>dosen't exist and try to fill it with rules to make it work, you may
:>>find yourself painted into a corner when, for dramatic purposes, you
:>>need to break that rule to make the _story_ work.  In the end, that's
:>>why we watch the shows.  Not to dissect them for "scientific accuracy".
:>
:>This is demonstrably untrue.  There are many science fiction stories
:>that are consistant and accurate with contemporary science.  Sometimes
:>even accurate with reasonable projections of where science will be.
:>
:>In terms of the transporter pattern buffer, I think people object not
:>because it is scientificly impossible, but because it makes things too
:>easy.
:>
:>The tech manual puts limitations on the transporter because without
:>limits, the device becomes too easy to use for resolving conflicts.
:>The writers would become lazy and we would see the transporter save
:>the day again and again and again...

But think.  If there's anybody in the universe who could modify a transporter
to do what this thread requires, it's Scotty.  "How d'ya think I keep m'
reputation as a miracle worker?" :-)

BTW, what's this "Babylon 5" thing?  I've been outta touch for a bit and
missed it.  Don't post.  E-mail to jlindqui@ux4.uiuc.edu
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