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From: nickw@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Nick Watkins)
Subject: Re: DesqView/X and DOS applications
Organization: University of Sussex
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:17:26 GMT

From article <bill.717431072@chaos.cs.umn.edu>, by bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu (Hari Seldon     psychohistorian):
> In <t2101fs.717421428@sun1> t2101fs@sun1.LRZ-Muenchen.DE () writes:
> 
> 
>>Is there another way to do this?
> 
> i *personally* know of no other method to serve dos to an x station except
> running some form of pc emulator on the u*ix box. 


One other way is to use a dedicated PC and Logicraft's card that makes PC
a slaved device. Can get DOS, Windows *and* graphics, but only for one X
user at a time.

Alternatively u can buy an N proceesor box for N users.

>i refuse to allow them
> to run on my servers due to the performance hit. but dvx? i have no 
> problem with allowing a dos box to emulate a dos box :-)
Performance hit of Soft PC is not too high on an HP9000/720, btw ... :-)
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From: storner@diku.dk (Henrik St|rner)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: QDPMI-Installation?
Keywords: EMM, DPMI
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:39:52 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

hshlswe1@w222zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Hilmar Schlegel) writes:

>Does any body know how to install the QDPMI host on a DOS machine??

Unzip the files onto a floppy, and do an "a:install". The install program
simply assumes, that the files must be on a floppy.

I had a bit of trouble installing this, but of a different nature: The
modifications that are done to config.sys & autoexec.bat got messed up!
Seems that the install program cannot properly add a line to these files.
Suggestion: During install, write down the line that install tells you to
add to the config.sys/autoexec.bat, and then do the modification manually.

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Olivetti Denmark.
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (T. Scott Thompson)
Subject: Re: N-cache and QEMM
Reply-To: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu
Organization: Economics Department, University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:22:25 GMT

thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (T. Scott Thompson) writes:

>I recently tried using STEALTH on my 386 clone and on my PS/2 386 for
>the first time in order to grab a little bit more high memory.
>Result: the systems lock up randomly, usually during a delayed write
>to the hard drive.  Based on some experiments and some of the recent
>posts here I suspect the culprit is Norton's N-cache program.  The
>people at Symantech were decidedly unhelpful.

>Question: Can anyone send me some info on appropriate switches to use
>when starting up N-cache to make it behave more reasonably with QEMM?

>E-mail is fine.  If the replies are sufficiently diverse I will
>summarize here.

To those who have had other opinions about Symantec, here is a
confession:

I actually tried the Stealth/Ncache combination sometime last year.
That's when I called Symantec.  They basically said "we use QEMM and
Ncache together without any problems."  They were unwilling to provide
any more help.  In other words, they basically said it was _my_
problem.

Evidently they have changed their tune, as several people have sent
e-mail saying that there is a newer version of N-Cache that solves the
compatibility problems with Stealth.

I only found out about comp.os.msdos.desqview recently, which is why I
had not asked here before.
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From: livigni@bldrdoc.gov (David livigni 303-497-5898)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Desqview Mark and Transfer with FTP's TCP/IP
Keywords: FTP, TCP/IP
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:42:10 GMT

I can not mark and transfer text to my ethernet window on this
machine, and was hoping someone out there has solved the problem.
When I attempt to transfer text to the ethernet window, the first
character is sent and it hangs.  I think I tried all the "Keyboard
Conflict" settings for the ethernet window, but nothing worked.
Any Ideas?

System Description:

AMI 386-33 Baby Screamer
8-Megs ram with Coprocessor
Western Digital 16-bit Ethernet Board with Shared Memory # 8003
QEMM version 6.01
DESQVIEW version 2.41
FTP's PC/TCP WD8003 Driver - 2/10/92 version

I load IPCUST.SYS and WD8003.SYS high in Config.SYS
I load WD8003.EXE in the ethernet window.
and am running PCDOS 3.3

Any help would be appreciated, no mark and transfer is a drag.

David Livigni


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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: firsta2@jacob.its.rpi.edu (Allen S. Firstenberg)
Subject: PC/TCP 2.10 and DV/X
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:34:03 GMT

Are there any plans (and how quickly will they be in motion) for DV/X
to support the new initialization files of PC/TCP 2.1?  I'm aware that
it is possible to get PC/TCP to use the old configuration formats
(ifconfig.sys and ipconfig.sys), but I'd rather create additional
files for all the users here who want to use DV/X.

Allen S. Firstenberg
Dormnet Project, Information Technology Services
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
From: swf@teradata.com (Stanley Friesen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: DV/X and DOS memory sizes
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:58:29 GMT
Reply-To: swf@tdat.teradata.com (Stanley Friesen)
Organization: NCR Teradata Database Business Unit


I am still considering whether I want to upgrade to DV/X.

Some recent struggles with DV Classic have brought up an issue of some
importance.

Does DV/X, with otherwise identical drivers, leave the as much or more
memory in the 'largest available' window?

Since I cannot, even now, get enough memory to run some of my programs
properly, this is *critical*.
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From: nagamati@caldera.usc.edu (Romklau Nagamati)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: Is Dv/X a Good Thing?
Date: 26 Sep 1992 12:28:43 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: caldera.usc.edu

In article <1992Sep25.165608.10233@qdeck.com> support@qdeck.com (Technical Support) writes:

>you use windows applications. I prefer DVX, but I'm certainly a biased
>observer, because I work for Quarterdeck :-)

No kidding!

>If all you use is Windows Apps, with an occasional foray to X, you might
>be better suited by a X-windows add-in for MS windows. If you use DOS
>applications, especially ones that need/want VCPI (such as AutoCad), I'd
>use DVX; you can always run your Windows-specific applications in Windows
>underneath DVX. If you are interested in using your DOS and Windows apps
>from other X-terminals, you'll definately want DVX.

I would like to add that if you're in the network environment and get used
to the distributed computing power of the UNIX world... DV/X is your better
choice... I'm a spoiled acedemia who have long been convinced that PC
just doesn't have the crunching power I need... and so just can't do all
computing on a PC.... So, the idea that I can "dispatch" a crunching
job to an appropriate machine and keep playing game on the PC while
"waiting" (I'm not kidding) for the mainframe to finish its job really
get to me...

Ron N.



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From: nickw@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Nick Watkins)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: ST:P and Vectra = :-)
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:06:14 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex

From article <1992Oct2.002223.10827@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, by bodoh@xraylith.wisc.edu (Daniel J. Bodoh):
 
>           ST:P - Protected mode stealth.  Undocumented and unsupported by
>                  Quarterdeck, because it has many incompatibilities.  If you
>                  can get it to work on your machine, you could get an
>                  additional 25K or so over ST:M.  You cannot run any other
>                  protected mode programs with ST:P (the DVX stuff seems to
>                  work, though).
> 
And it works on a Vectra QS/20 so my machine Stealths at last ...

ST:P is MR:C as described in Forney's book. I assume it was pulled at
last moment because of incompatibilty with Windows ??? When Forney wrote
Stealth was called Scram!

ST:P appears compatible with WinX but not Win3, and not with Windows 3.1
outside DV/X. No great loss to me ... :-)

Also appears compatible with Instant C ...

So I now have 480k as seen by memstat in a DOS window (using the mouse hiding
trick described in the FAQ). However I can't get the trick with the
network driver to work.

My network.bat file looks like:


c:\dvx1\device f:\pctcp\wd8003.sys
c:\dvx1\device f:\pctcp\ipcust.sys
f:\pctcp\wd8003 -t 7 -u 2
nsftp

If run as a batch file in DOS window on its own, works ok up to
nsftp line. If that line omitted, WILL provide network services to a 
DOS window.  If run as suggested doesn't work, and I'm wondering if file
is complete. ????


Nick
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From: jld2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (J. Lynch Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Displaying Bitmaps as Backgrounds in DV/X
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:13:27 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I would like to know how to change the background to a particular bitmap in
DV/X, both in the regular window manager and in the OSF/Motif manager.  I know
that it is possible in OSF on RS6000 and other unix stations, but I wanted to
know how to specify this, and with what graphic formats DV/X is compatible.

Thanks in advance,
Lynch Davis

jld2@lehigh.edu
From: csthomas@gizmonic.UUCP (shane thomas)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Object formats in DV/X
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:13:45 GMT
Reply-To: csthomas@gizmonic.UUCP (shane thomas)
Distribution: na
Organization: FiFi's Taco Stand

Hello -

A quick question: can the GNU compiler (djgcc?) available for DV/X
link object files and libraries created by other PC compilers (Microsoft, 
Borland, etc.)? 

thanks,

shane

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (T. Scott Thompson)
Subject: N-cache and QEMM -- Summary
Reply-To: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu
Organization: Economics Department, University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:05:20 GMT

Here is a summary of the replies sent to me regarding system lockups
when using QEMM and Norton's N-Cache together.  (The lockups did not
occur until I reinstalled QEMM using the Stealth options.)

------------------------------------------------------------------
Solution 1:  Use a different disk cache.  (Thanks, but no thanks!)

------------------------------------------------------------------
Solution 2: Turn off N-Cache's "Intelliwrite" feature.  The
appropriate switches to use when installing N-Cache appear to be:

           /WRITE=0 /DELAY=0 /-I

(There is some redundancy here.)

This works fine, but you lose Intelliwrites, which I find very useful.

------------------------------------------------------------------
Solution 3: Get a newer version of N-Cache.  I had not heard about any
updates to the Norton Utilities since version 6.01 was released over
one year ago.  When I called Symantec they refered me to the files:

              NCACHE.TXT   and   NCACHE.ZIP

available through their customer service BBS (408) 973-9598 (2400 baud
N81), and also through the NORUTL forum on Compuserve.  I obtained
these files from Compuserve.  NCACHE.ZIP consists of a patch program
and some patch files that update NCACHE.EXE to "the revision levels
currently shipping".  The associated doc files do not mention anything
about QEMM conflicts, but seem preoccupied with Windows problems.  The
file NCACHE.TXT documents some new command line switches in the
revised version.

I installed these patches, reconfigured N-Cache to re-enable
Intelliwrites, and everything has worked fine since.

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Thanks to

jpe@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (John Paul Elrod)
moorerr@msu.edu
dpaper@nyx.cs.du.edu (David Paper)
haymoree@bones.et.byu.edu (Edward Haymore)
nagamati@caldera.usc.edu (Romklau Nagamati)
ksalzber@hamline.edu (Kenneth Salzberg)

for their suggestions.



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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: bodoh@xraylith.wisc.edu (Daniel J. Bodoh)
Subject: Re: Where are socket lib. error codes?
Organization: Center for X-ray Lithography, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 17:45:37 GMT

In article <Bv5vtI.MA3@ddsw1.mcs.com> gould@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eric Gould) writes:
>The error code I receive when calling socket() is 47. This is not in
>the errno.h file.

47 is EAFNOSUPPORT, address family not supported.  The errno's tend
to be the same as Unix's <errno.h>.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: garyrich@qdeck.com (Gary Rich)
Subject: Re: COM 3 in Desqview
Organization: Quarterdeck Office Systems, Santa Monica CA
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 18:22:01 GMT

In article <BvE4xu.1on@lawday.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> jra@lawday.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (John R. Ackermann x2966) writes:
>I'm trying to get a COM3 port -- using 0x3e8, IRQ7 -- to work
>reliably with apps under Desqview.
>
>Two programs -- ProComm Plus and KA9Q NOS -- both work just fine with
>this port outside DV, but when running Desqview the RX side freezes
>after an indeterminate time.  Sometimes the port will pass several
>thousand characters, other times it will lock up after only a few.  I
>assume the problem is IRQ7 getting swallowed.  COM1 and COM2 work just
>fine.

There's no inherent problem with using IRQ7 for a com port.  IRQ7 is fairly
low priority for a COM though.  In the SETUP program you can set "optimize
communications Y/N" to "7".  WARNING:  This undocumented setting WILL adversly
effect the performance of devices on IRQ0-6 since it reprograms the round
robin of hardware int processing to start at 7.

If this is a '286 or '386 machine you should certainly be using a 16550
(or other 16 bit buffered) UART on the serial card.  Of course, the
program must know how to talk to a 16550, but most do.

>DV only lets me select Y, N, 1, or 2 under the "uses serial ports"
>option.  What can I do to make this port work???

Nah.  Don't bother with the "uses serial ports" setting.  Almost no com
programs respect this setting.

Gary Rich  <support@qdeck.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: jsteele@netcom.com (John Steele)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP with DV/X
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:14:24 GMT

In <1992Sep29.164118.5225@qdeck.com> support@qdeck.com (Technical Support) writes:

>People who have purchased prior copies of the "DESQview X to other X
>systems" package are also entitled to the free stuff, even without
>the coupon. Give our customer service department a call at (800) 354-3222
>and they'll set you up.

Which I did.  And I also asked about the B&W beta (I am a beta tester for
B&W btw), and haven't heard anything back.  I got transfered to someone who
was supposed to be more in the know that the first, and he wasn't quite
sure what I was talking about.  I mentioned the announcements made in this
group, explained that I wanted the LWP offering (I bought the X to other X
package), and that I was interested in the beta of the B&W TCP/IP.
I haven't heard anything for over 2 weeks now...

>Tom Bortels - Quarterdeck Office Systems - Internet Support 
>    For questions or Technical Support, write to support@qdeck.com

It seems that the only ones who know what is going on is tech. support :)

John
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 28 Sep 1992 13:39:01 CDT
From: Ron Vyhmeister <U53805@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: TCP/IP with DV/X

I thought I read somewhere that DV/X now came with a version of TCP/IP.
Is this correct?  If so, for those of us who got it earlier, is there any
way to get it from them?

Thanks

Ron Vyhmeister
u53805@uicvm.cc.uic.edu (Internet)
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: garyrich@qdeck.com (Gary Rich)
Subject: Re: DV/X 1.00 --> 1.02
Organization: Quarterdeck Office Systems, Santa Monica CA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:22:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.202715.21162@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dpaper@nyx.cs.du.edu (David Paper) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.000157.21312@discus.technion.ac.il> s2848632@techun
>x.technion.ac.il (ITZHAK FRIEDMAN) writes:
>>Hi everyone,
>>I have DV/x version 1.00 and would like to upgrade to 1.02 (it is the ne
>est,
>>right?). Is there an ftp site which holds the diffs/patches from 1.00 to
>1.02?
>>is there any way to upgrade at all????
>>Any help appreciated.
>>	Zachi.
>
>
>Dude, upgrade from 1.,00 to 1.02? R U NUTS???
>if you find it, lemme know..
>and, i have 1.902, and i don't think they have a patch out for 1.00 to
>1,.02, but dont quote me..
>why dont you call DV and ask them?
>
>-dave

Does not sound nuts to me...  If you got DVX in Israel, it's very unlikely
that you have 1.00.  I don't think any were sent out of the US.  You can check
the time stamp on the files to make sure.  If it really is 1.00, then you need
a whole new set of disks.  In the far more likely case that you have DVX 1.01
(again, you can check the timestamp) then there is a patch available to bring it 
up to the current revision.  The patch is available on our bbs and most of
the usual places on the net.

Gary Rich		<support@qdeck.com>
From: terryt@cs.athabascau.ca (Terry Tanski)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Getting rid of the mouse cursor in DESQview/X
Date: 29 Sep 92 02:05:56 GMT
Organization: Athabasca University

There has been a lot of talk about getting rid of the cursor in DESQview/X.
There is a program called XCURSOR available for anonymous FTP from
oak.oakland.edu in pub/msdos/dv-x that will allow a person to change the
shape of the DESQview/X cursor as well as TURN IT OFF. I have tried it
and it works great.

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From: nickw@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Nick Watkins)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: ST:P and Vectra = :-)
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:38:37 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex

From article <1992Oct2.170614.13639@syma.sussex.ac.uk>, by nickw@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Nick Watkins):
> From article <1992Oct2.002223.10827@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, by bodoh@xraylith.wisc.edu (Daniel J. Bodoh):
>  
 
> ST:P is MR:C as described in Forney's book. I assume it was pulled at
> last moment because of incompatibilty with Windows ??? When Forney wrote
> Stealth was called Scram!
Sorry,

mr:c = st:f
mr:m = st:m
mr:p = st:p

Nick
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: dlucy@sandr.COM (Douglas Lucy)
Subject: 8514 emul on ProDesgn IIs
Organization: S&R Software, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 17:20:44 GMT

It looks like one of the best ways to squeeze the max memory for DOS
under DVX is by using an 8514 adapter. I've got this Orchid Pro
Designer IIs (with the extra memory and the HiColor chip) that claims
to be 8514 compatible. Is it possible? Will it work in the
get-the-most-mem DVX setup? If so, how do I get it to work?

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: biediger@lonestar.utsa.edu (David . Biediger)
Subject: "Stickey keys" utility needed for DV/X
Keywords:  Good time DV/X has got the blues.
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:38:51 GMT


I have a problem when using DV/X with a TSR I need.  I'm disabled and
can only type one key at a time.  I need a DV/X compatible utility that
will hold down the CTRL, ALT, and Shift keys until another key is pressed.
In DOS and DV Classic I've been using PCMags staydown.com without any
problems.  However, in DV/X it doesn't work.  I've looked for other utilities
that provide the same function and found one called Access DOS.  It works
in DOS & DV Classic but in DV/X it's quite obnoxious.  It works but when
either the CTRL, ALT, or Shift keys are pressed, the numlock light comes
on and stays on till it's pressed twice.

This may seem like only a slight bother, but if you saw me typing away
s-l-o-w-l-y you would realize how irritting it is.  I haven't been using
DV/X for many weeks because of this and thought I'd ask here in case somone
has any ideas or knows of another utility that provides the stickey keys
function I need.  I must say that Gary Rich has tried to help me with
this already.

Here is the system I'm using:

80386DX/25
AMI BIOS 05/91
8 megs RAM
ET 4000 SVGA w 1 meg
160 meg ESDI HD
DV/X version 1.02
MS-DOS 5.00

Let me add that I've tried each TSR in different regions (loaded high)
and have also tried them in lower memory with the same results.

Thanks,
David


Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu ( Hari Seldon     psychohistorian )
Subject: Re: DV and MKS Toolkit (comm. and graphics)
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 03:11:20 GMT

mark:
please send me your dotted address.
i've tried to mail to you but so far it has all bounced.

bill pociengel
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: support@qdeck.com (Technical Support)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP with DV/X
Organization: Quarterdeck Office Systems, Santa Monica CA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:41:18 GMT

In article <92272.133901U53805@uicvm.uic.edu> Ron Vyhmeister <U53805@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>I thought I read somewhere that DV/X now came with a version of TCP/IP.
>Is this correct?  If so, for those of us who got it earlier, is there any
>way to get it from them?

The "DESQview X to other X Systems" network package, which is necessary
to allow DVX to talk to tcpip networks in general, now comes with a coupon
for a free copy of the tcpip layer of Novell's Lan Workplace. You should
note that this is a minimal version, just designed to let you talk to
tcpip stuff without additional network software. It's not the full
version that handles network drives, and has the normal utilities. If you
want that, you'll have to talk to Novell...

People who have purchased prior copies of the "DESQview X to other X
systems" package are also entitled to the free stuff, even without
the coupon. Give our customer service department a call at (800) 354-3222
and they'll set you up.



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