HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mjamroz@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Margaret Jamroz)
Subject: Re: Penn & Teller Videos 
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:55:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.192732.10436@ra.oc.com> frazier@elf.etsu.edu (Jeff Frazier) writes:
>Does anyone know of any videos on Penn & Teller besides the movie
>they made and the PBS special they did?
>

Well Jeff, you could probably find a copy of "Cruel Tricks for Dear Friends" at
your neighborhood video store.  If not, let me know, and I'll send you the fan
club address.  You can order it from them.

You might also want to see if anyone has "Penn & Teller's Invisible Thread",
which was made for cable flick on Showtime a couple years ago.  It was never
commercially released, but I know they just played on Comedy Central a week or
so ago, so you might be able to get a copy from someone who taped it.

(I'd copy it for you myself, but it's already a copy from a copy and the
quality gets progressive worse.)

Really, the only commercially released videos are "P&T Get Killed", "Cruel
Tricks..." and "P&T Go Public."  If you're *really* desperate for the guys on
vid, you could try to find the early Comic Relief tapes (they did 2 or 3 of
those).

hope this helps,
maggie
From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical)
Newsgroups: alt.magic
Subject: Re: thread reel
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:36:57 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <1992Aug20.120516.2435@netnews.alf.dec.com> rick@opus.alf.dec.com 
(Rick Silverstein) writes:
>
>Has anyone heard of a device called a thread reel.  It's supposed to improve
>the use of invisible thread.  I am thinking of purchasing one but it's 
>around $40 so I asking for opinions.

Yeah, a friend has one.  He finds it greatly enhances his floating bill,
because he can move around much more, even more than with elastic thread.
He does a close-up act and leaves the reel on his table (concealed, of course).
He does some sort of double-hook up I haven't quite figured out yet, which 
lets him literally walk the bill into the person's hand - very cool.

	RA
From: shawn.mccullar@gate.micromed.com (Shawn Mccullar) 
Newsgroups: alt.magic
Subject: TEST MESSAGE
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:53:00 GMT
Reply-To: shawn.mccullar@gate.micromed.com (Shawn Mccullar) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Micro-Medic Network Gateway - +1 408 280-1610 - Public access BBS

THIS IS A TEST MESSAGE. PLEASE IGNORE.

Shawn
                                                                                  
PCRelay:NEWDIM -> #97 RelayNet (tm)
4.11              New Dimensions; 408-274-5550; 2 Gigs; MCI!
                              
Newsgroups: alt.magic
From: cragaisi@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris)
Subject: Re: pencil through bill trick
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 02:23:04 GMT

>Please give me your thoughts on this trick.

What thoughts?  This little ditty is available in just about every magic
store in America for somewhere between $10-$20.
From: rocher@husc8.harvard.edu (Jean-Marc Rocher)
Newsgroups: alt.magic
Subject: Re: Penn & Teller Videos
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:36:40 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Aug18.192732.10436@ra.oc.com> frazier@elf.etsu.edu (Jeff Frazier) writes:
>Does anyone know of any videos on Penn & Teller besides the movie
>they made and the PBS special they did?
>
>Thanx,
>
>Jeff Frazier  (frazier@elf.etsu.edu)

Well, they made a video titled "Penn and Teller's Cruel Tricks for Dear
Friends", but this may be the PBS special you're refferring to
It should be available at most video stores.

					...Jean-Marc Rocher

"If we took the bones out it wouldn't be crunchy, would it?"
Newsgroups: alt.magic
From: herrj@gtephx.UUCP (Jim Herr)
Subject: Personal to Lee Sonko and Bruce Barnett
Keywords: Thanks!
Organization: AG Communication Systems, Phoenix, Arizona
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:32:48 GMT

About a month and 1/2 ago, I posted asking for some
mail order addresses for supplies.  Disappointed in 
getting no responses, I had given up hope. Today I 
received mail from both of you that was 1.5 months 
old (sent on June 30th and July 2nd!).  I wanted to 
thank you both for taking the time to look up the 
information and respond. I am looking forward to 
sending for some catalogs.

Thanks again
--
Jim

PS. - My attempts to reply to you both via EMAIL keep 
      bouncing, hence the post. Sorry to others for the
      bandwidth.




Newsgroups: alt.magic
From: hughson@lilac.cis.ohio-state.edu (J.R. Hughson)
Subject: Re: Rope tricks
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:50:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.115129.28726@eua.ericsson.se> euanor@eua.ericsson.se (Patrik.Norman) writes:
>Hi,
>as a newcomer to the 'magic' world I would like to get some
>references to books with rope tricks. I especially like tricks
>that need no fancy equipment. I really got into this when I
>travelled in China. I don't want to generalize but it was very
>easy to fool Chinese people...

either that or they are very polite:-)

>I also enjoy coin tricks so if anyone knows a good book on the
>subject please post it to this group and/or to me.

for ropes:  Basic: Abbots encyclopedia of rope tricks.
         Advanced: Daryl's Rope routine.  (harder to find)

for coins:  Basic:  Bobo's book.  (I can't recall the exact title)
	 Advanced:  Roth's encylopedia of coin magic.


	
J.R.
of 
Illusions by J.R.
All of my Illusions are close-up
Newsgroups: alt.magic
From: euanor@eua.ericsson.se (Patrik.Norman)
Subject: Rope tricks
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:51:29 GMT

Hi,
as a newcomer to the 'magic' world I would like to get some
references to books with rope tricks. I especially like tricks
that need no fancy equipment. I really got into this when I
travelled in China. I don't want to generalize but it was very
easy to fool Chinese people...
Eventually I had made 14 m (46 feet) rope to disappear, leaving
small pieces behind on trains, busses and restaurants.
I also enjoy coin tricks so if anyone knows a good book on the
subject please post it to this group and/or to me.

Cheers,
      Patrik

Email: euanor@eua.ericsson.se
From: jti01@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Jeff Isozaki)
Newsgroups: alt.magic
Subject: Re: Rope tricks
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:19:19 GMT
Reply-To: jti01@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Jeff Isozaki)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Aug21.122215.1@sscvx1.ssc.gov> wilcox@sscvx1.ssc.gov writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.145052.5413@cis.ohio-state.edu>, hughson@lilac.cis.ohio-state.edu (J.R. Hughson) writes:
>> In article <1992Aug20.115129.28726@eua.ericsson.se> euanor@eua.ericsson.se (Patrik.Norman) writes:
>
>> for ropes:  Basic: Abbots encyclopedia of rope tricks.
>>          Advanced: Daryl's Rope routine.  (harder to find)
>
>I highly recommend Daryl's Rope routine. It can be performed close up in front
>of a large audience and COMPLETELY surounded.  It fits in your pocket and is
>always ready to go.  I love it and carry it with me everywhere.  It's a very
>good reputaion builder.
>
>> 
>> for coins:  Basic:  Bobo's book.  (I can't recall the exact title)
>
> COIN MAGIC  (Simple title that's why it's hard to remember)
>

Actually, I think its called, "Modern Coin Magic" ;-)


>> 	 Advanced:  Roth's encylopedia of coin magic.
>
>A. Evan Wilcox
From: harish@theory.lcs.mit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.magic
Subject: Request: Shops near the Boston area
Date: 20 Aug 92 06:31:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: MIT

Hi there everyone!


I'd like addresses/names/rough descriptions of shops that stock magic
related paraphernalia around the Boston area.  I'm not into magic
tricks in a big way, but like everybody else, definitely think many of
them are cool, and so would like to browse around for gifts, impulse
buys etc. 

I'm new to this newsgroup, so my apologies if this info is already in
an FAQ or something.

Please email to harish@theory.lcs.mit.edu or post.

thanks.
From: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey)
Newsgroups: alt.magic
Subject: Re: Pocket Picking
Date: 22 Aug 92 04:30:23 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: anarres.cs.berkeley.edu

wilcox@sscvx1.ssc.gov writes:
>Anyone have any good pickpocket routines?  [...]
>I learned how to take people watches 
                              ^^^^^^^

From their pockets?  Where do you find people with watches
in their pockets, these days?
Newsgroups: alt.magic
From: femanrs@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (BRUCE MANNERS)
Subject: Handcuffs
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 17 Aug 1992 12:29 EST  

I am just curious.  I am concidering using Handcuffs in my act.  Any body 
know the approximate cost of some good handcuffs for some simple escapes?

Any sources?  All info welcome.


Bruce Manners
Comedy & Juggling and Stuff

Newsgroups: alt.magic
From: cragaisi@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris)
Subject: Paul Harris videos?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 02:26:11 GMT

I'm looking to pick up used copies of Paul Harris and Eugene Berger
instructional videos.  If anyone out there has them, and has had your
fill, let me know what you want for them.  New is just too damn expensive!

Chris

--

	The plan was simple.  Unfortunately, so was Bullwinkle.
From: blake@acsu.buffalo.edu (Brian C. Blake)
Newsgroups: alt.magic
Subject: Re: thread reel
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:38:26 GMT
Organization: UB

It's an invisible thread reel...

Not a reel in the sense of a traditional reel (round thing, about an inch in
diameter) but a 4-5 inch tube (clear plastic).

It has a "pole" inside on which is wrapped appx. 15 feet of "super strong"
invisible thread...

We just got these in our shop and think they have possibilities...the string
is actually stronger than "regular" invisible thread (Dushek's, etc) but
quite unnoticeable...

The end coming out of the tube is wrapped "inside" a ball of magician's wax
and is simply stuck on any surface...then, step back and you can float any
number of items....when finished, detach the wax and let the reel do the rest.

It is supposed to be pinned inside your shirt (coat, etc) and it comes out from
the middle of the shirt (where the two sides of a shirt come together and
button)...you kinda have to "guide" the string back into your shirt, but that
can be disguised by pretending to straighten your shirt or something...

Again, it looks kinda neat and adds new meaning to a portable thread effect.

You can probably get them at most shops...I know we sell them for $34.95...
That may be a bit expensive for something like this, but if you're really
into floating stuff and thread effects, it should be worth it...

Well, hope that cleared up some things...
Brian Blake
From: wilcox@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Newsgroups: alt.magic
Subject: Re: Rope tricks
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:22:15 GMT
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory

In article <1992Aug20.145052.5413@cis.ohio-state.edu>, hughson@lilac.cis.ohio-state.edu (J.R. Hughson) writes:
> In article <1992Aug20.115129.28726@eua.ericsson.se> euanor@eua.ericsson.se (Patrik.Norman) writes:

> for ropes:  Basic: Abbots encyclopedia of rope tricks.
>          Advanced: Daryl's Rope routine.  (harder to find)

I highly recommend Daryl's Rope routine. It can be performed close up in front
of a large audience and COMPLETELY surounded.  It fits in your pocket and is
always ready to go.  I love it and carry it with me everywhere.  It's a very
good reputaion builder.

> 
> for coins:  Basic:  Bobo's book.  (I can't recall the exact title)

 COIN MAGIC  (Simple title that's why it's hard to remember)

> 	 Advanced:  Roth's encylopedia of coin magic.

A. Evan Wilcox
From: drmo@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.magic
Subject: Re: pencil through bill trick
Date: 17 Aug 92 08:38:43 -0500

In article <1992Aug16.022304.27940@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, cragaisi@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris) writes:
>>Please give me your thoughts on this trick.
> 
> What thoughts?  This little ditty is available in just about every magic
> store in America for somewhere between $10-$20.

It's called MISLED, and usually sells for $20.

Good Luck.

Drew Moseley
From: rick@opus.alf.dec.com (Rick Silverstein)
Newsgroups: alt.magic
Subject: thread reel
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:05:16 GMT
Reply-To: rick@opus.alf.dec.com (Rick Silverstein)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Has anyone heard of a device called a thread reel.  It's supposed to improve
the use of invisible thread.  I am thinking of purchasing one but it's 
around $40 so I asking for opinions.

Thanks,
Rick
Newsgroups: alt.magic
From: cragaisi@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris)
Subject: Re: Pocket Picking
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 03:36:38 GMT

I have a number of books and pamphlets on this one, but the best that I've
ever seen is "Jim Ravel's Theatrical Pickpocketing" by Paul Butler (Magical
Publications).

It covers the history, how to, picking volunteers, rehersal and staging,
routining, what to do if you get caught, and a myriad of other related 
topics.  It's very well done.  And _very_ serious about using it only
for entertainment.

I hope this helps...

Chris Ragaisis
From: glickman@husc10.harvard.edu (Mark Glickman)
Newsgroups: alt.magic
Subject: Re: Request: Shops near the Boston area
Date: 21 Aug 92 10:25:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Aug21.022928.6541@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.063149.23063@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> 
>harish@theory.lcs.mit.edu writes:
>>I'd like addresses/names/rough descriptions of shops that stock magic
>>related paraphernalia around the Boston area.  I'm not into magic
>>tricks in a big way, but like everybody else, definitely think many of
>>them are cool, and so would like to browse around for gifts, impulse
>>buys etc. 
>
>There's two stores in metropolitan Boston that carry magic supplies.
>One is Jack's Joke Shop.  It's on Tremont St near the Theatre District.
>My opinion is, it sucks.  It's got lots of gags etc, so if that's what you
>want, they're there.  
>
>But for real magic the only place is Hank Lee's Magic Factory.  It's near 
>South Station, on Winter St if memory serves.  Anything in magic Jack's 
>carries, Hank's has it cheaper.  

There's also Magic Art Studio in Watertown, but I've never been there,
so I can't give any recommendations.  I've been to Hank Lee's and 
am happy with the service I get.

               - Mark
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.magic
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 15:10:19 -0400 
From: "Kishor K. Rao" <kr1i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: pencil through bill trick



Did anyone see the trick DC did a few years ago.  He borrowed a pencil
and a bill and pushed the pencil through the bill.  The neat thing about
this was you could see the pencil go in halfway through the front of the
dollar bill, then come out the other end.  It actually looks as if he
made a hole in the bill.  But when he gives the bill back, there IS NO
HOLE!!!

Please give me your thoughts on this trick.


Thanks,


Keeshe
From: DKelley@bunny.gte.com (Dawn Kelley)
Newsgroups: alt.magic
Subject: Re: new reader
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:44:42 GMT
Organization: GTEL

Roelof J. van Suilichem writes:

if anyone can put me in contact with mail-order USA or Europe
magic shops, or even South-African (pant, pant) shops, I would much 
appreciate it.>

There is a magic shop in Watertown, Mass. called The Magic Art Studio, 
which sells all types of magic paraphernalia, as well as mail order books. 
The name of the owner is Ray Goulet and the shop was formerly The Magic Art
Book Co.  That's where I get most of my magic needs.  The address is:

Magic Art Studio
137 Spring St.
Watertown, MA 
Phone:  (617) 926-3949

Dawn Kelley

Dawn Kelley
GTE Labs
DKelley@bunny.gte.com
From: frazier@elf.etsu.edu (Jeff Frazier)
Newsgroups: alt.magic
Subject: Penn & Teller Videos
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:27:32 GMT
Reply-To: frazier@elf.etsu.edu (Jeff Frazier)
Organization: East Texas State University, Commerce, TX

Does anyone know of any videos on Penn & Teller besides the movie
they made and the PBS special they did?

Thanx,

Jeff Frazier  (frazier@elf.etsu.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.magic
From: wilcox@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: Pocket Picking
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:31:17 GMT

Anyone have any good pickpocket routines?
Or know any good books on the subject...
I learned how to take people watches (I give them back of course),
but haven't seen any other good routines of this type.
If you have any suggestions please mail to 
   WILCOX@RED.CS.TCU.EDU

Thanks

A. Evan Wilcox
From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical)
Newsgroups: alt.magic
Subject: Re: Request: Shops near the Boston area
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:29:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <1992Aug20.063149.23063@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> 
harish@theory.lcs.mit.edu writes:
>I'd like addresses/names/rough descriptions of shops that stock magic
>related paraphernalia around the Boston area.  I'm not into magic
>tricks in a big way, but like everybody else, definitely think many of
>them are cool, and so would like to browse around for gifts, impulse
>buys etc. 

There's two stores in metropolitan Boston that carry magic supplies.
One is Jack's Joke Shop.  It's on Tremont St near the Theatre District.
My opinion is, it sucks.  It's got lots of gags etc, so if that's what you
want, they're there.  

But for real magic the only place is Hank Lee's Magic Factory.  It's near 
South Station, on Winter St if memory serves.  Anything in magic Jack's 
carries, Hank's has it cheaper.  

I dunno if you've ever been in a magic store before, so let me prepare
you a little.  First off, you need to buy an effect before they tell you
the secret.  Second, any good effect will cost, more than you might think.
And when you buy it, and find out you paid $20 for a cheap plastic gimmick
(can anyone say 'mislead'?) - remember, you paid for the secret, not just
the gimmick.

Anyway, I've rambled on long enough.  I don't have addresses handy, but 
just call the operator.

	RA
From: jesse@uts.amdahl.com (Jesse Mundis)
Newsgroups: alt.magic
Subject: anyone recognise this symbol?
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:22:04 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

ASCII graphics aren't the best medium for this, but.. does anyone out there
recognise this symbol from any occult sources?



It looks like the 2 outside lines of an 'A' with a kind of cursive tail
coming off the point, looping back across the 2 diagonals, and ending in a
curve higher than the starting point.  There is a small '*' in the upper
left.
                                                         
                                                         
                                                         
            \  *  ____                                   
             \   /\   )                                  
              \ /  \ /                                   
               X    X                                    
              / \__/ \                                   
             /        \                                  
            /          \                                 
           /            \                                

Book sources would be appreciated.  Please email, as I sometimes miss messages
in this group.

Thanks.

-- 
    Jesse Mundis     |      Amdahl Corporation       | Freedom is just chaos
jesse@uts.amdahl.com | 1250 East Arques Ave  M/S 316 | with better lighting.
   (408) 746-4796    |   Sunnyvale,  CA 94088-3470   |    -Alan Dean Foster 

#include <Disclaimer.standard>
From: pbaker@tbag.tscs.com (Pete Baker)
Newsgroups: alt.magic
Subject: Re: Book review (The Net of Magic) -- long
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:15:04 EST
Organization: Tampa Bay Amiga Group

LC>    Again, there's a story about Siegel himself, 
LC> getting a late-night phone call from a friend at a 
LC> party, cuing him to perform some mentalist tricks 
LC> in the voice of an "Indian holy man," and the 
LC> subsequent complications that arose when the guest 
LC> arrived at his office seeking the guru with the 
LC> amazing telepathic talent.  The tale tells how 
LC> Siegel, trying to  explain how such things were 
LC> done (but not letting on that he had been the 
LC> "holy man"), was denounced as a vulgar mocker, 
LC> unable to appreciate the true holiness of his 
LC> supposed house-guest, and unworthy of having been 
LC> his host.

I laughed till I cried (well I laughed hard anyway) when I read this part of the review.  I guess you have to be on the receiving end of that situation to really appreciate it.

As for your review... it is not often I am blessed with a multi-syllabic rendition of any piece of literature.  I appreciate your review and will start my search of this profound document.

Regards Pete Baker  (AKA MrExshun)
tbag!pbaker@uunet.uu.net

PS... Any Relation to the LeGrand David shows?

--- Via UCI v1.02 (C-Net Amiga)
From: lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: aids started by cia?
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:28:10 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc., San Jose, CA

In article <105@newave.mn.org> john@newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III) writes:
>In <1992Aug18.052013.27077@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> diarmuid@uniwa.uwa.edu.au writes:
>> djsrmi@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (John Sadowsky x6211) writes:
>> > They just want you to think that it is caused by a virus!
>
>> Of course it's caused by viri. Don't insult the memory those who have died
>> from this terrible disease by bringing down to the level of half-assed
>> armchair revolution. And check your facts before engaging your keyboard.
>
>Can you cite any references or other proof that AIDS is caused by a virus?
>The cause of AIDS is not known.  Almost all AIDS patients also have HIV,
>but there is no proven cause-effect between HIV and AIDS.  It might just
I dont think this is accurate. HIV completely and totally
compromises the immune system.  With its reproduction more
T4(?) cells die....as these T4 cells die (someone please
correct me if I am wrong about the T4)...the immunilogical
response becomes non-functional. AIDS means Acquired
Immunilogical (?) Deficiency Syndrome. If your immune system
is compromised the minute you catch HIV AND HIV is incurable
therefore it will spread and replicate THEN you have AIDS.
AIDS is HIV ... HIV is AIDS. You dont have to have outward
symptomolgy in order to have AIDS. That's the definition of a
psychotic IMHO and cheap government that simply does not want
to cough up the real facts.

>be that people with AIDS are very subseptible to HIV, or an HIV infection
>makes a person subseptible to whatever causes AIDS.  

AIDS is HIV. If you get HIV then with or without treatment
eventually you will dvelop all the outward symptoms associated
with AIDS. If you dont get HIV...then odds are you wont develop
those symptoms. And please dont throw the latest research at
me concerning those who develop one disease that is associated
with AIDS yet have no HIV....like you said it is a
collection...NOT a singularity.  When the immune system is
compromised then we are exposed to everything floating around
in the air....air which I might add is deadly (in Silicone
Valley) in and of itself.  

> The very name of the
>problem should give this away: AIDS.  The S stands for syndrome, which means
>a collection of symptoms--not a single disease.  Also, HIV is not a
>virus, it is a retro-virus.  A retro-virus acts like a virus in some ways,
>but its life cycle (especially reproduction) is much more interesting.
>
>-john-
>
>-- 
>==============================================================================
>John A. Weeks III		(612) 942-6969		    john@newave.mn.org
>Newave Communications, Ltd.			    ..!uunet!tcnet!newave!john
Len Bucuvalas