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From: v999saum@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Varnavas A. Lambrou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Turkish invasion in Cyprus 1974 cont...
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:10:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

DESTRUCTION OF THE CULTURAL IDENTITY OF THE OCCUPIED AREA

Cyprus has a history of thousands of years. A cross roads of successive 
civilizations and under numerous rulers, the population of Cyprus retained a
continuity in its cultural identity, assimilating foreign influences and
making them part of the Greek culture of the island. During the thousands
of years of its history there has never been a radical discontinuity in the
cultural identity of its population, and its heritage has been enriched
around a common cultural theme.

None of the previous conquerors have wrought what the Turkish army has done
to Cyprus. When the Turkish army landed in Cyprus, Christian and Hellenic
monuments, thousands of years old, were destroyed.

The invaders have changed place names which have remained constant for
hundreds of years, commemorating the continuity and complexity of modern
Cypriot culture. They have appropriated and damaged archaelogical sites which
are central to the cultural identity of the Cypriots. They damaged, destroyed,
allowed to go to ruin or sold priceless items of the Cypriot cultural heritage.
They made a desert in their effort to make the north of Cyprus a part of 
Anatolia.


"We have abandoned our historical masterpieces- with their Greek columns, Gothic
ornaments, yellow-stoned arches and Seljukian domes-to destruction and pillage."
"Do not ask any questions about the condition of the first century city of
Lamboussa, which is now a military zone."
"Haven't you heard that the 2000 year old Christian church in Cyprus, 
St Barnabas' Church, has been robbed? Haven't you heard that 35 icons were 
stolen, that 11 of them were found in Kythrea, that 11 were retrieved at Ankara
airport while being smuggled out, and that the rest are lost?
Haven't you heard what's happening in Varosha (Famagusta)? Haven't you heard 
that figurines belonging to the Catholic period and kept in the Archaelogical
Museum have been stolen and smuggled to London?
What about the icons in the other churches; the mosaics, the private 
collections, the illegal digs? Why have they stopped the digs started before 
1974 at the city of Gastria, which belongs to the geometric age? Do you know
what happened since then? The government has issued permits to certain
businessmen from Turkey to set up a gypsum factory there. The tombs were
destroyed and plundered."

Mehmet Yasin, "Perishing Cyprus" in the Turkish Cypriot Review "Olay", April
1982.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: CNN recognizes Macedonian independence?
From: cpbuehrer@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Date: 9 Jan 93 17:59:00 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

>>What's the deal here?  Does CNN recognize Macedonia as a country or what?
>>
>>
>>--Dennis
> 
> 
> Good question.
> 
> 
> Gr

Good answer.  (not!)

--Dennis
From: bartzako@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Bartzakos Peter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: CNN recognizes Macedonian independence?
Date: 10 Jan 93 21:42:36 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Supersedes: <1993Jan10.210858.6268@cc.umontreal.ca>
Originator: bartzako@alize.ERE.UMontreal.CA

In article <1993Jan8.185716.14935@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> cpbuehrer@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
>When CNN does a news report on the situation in Yugoslavia/Bosnia/Croatia,
>etc...they often show a map of that area.  On the map there is a section of
>land with the name "MACEDONIA".
>
>What's the deal here?  Does CNN recognize Macedonia as a country or what?
>
>
>--Dennis

	I have noticed this on Canadian media.  The Montreal Gazette
has published an article where the origin of the report is referred to
as "Skopje, MACEDONIA", rather than "Skopje, YUGOSLAVIA", which
should be used in a state which supposedly does not recognize the
independence of Skopje.  Maps have appeared in the Gazette where the
Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia is shaded and delineated as being as
clearly distinct from Yugoslavia as is Slovenia.  Other articles have
referred to Skopje as a "FORMER" Yugoslav republic.  Television
reporters are doing the same thing.

	Perhaps the OFFICIAL recognition of Skopje as "Macedonia" is
at hand and we are being conditioned for it.

-- 
"I have never understood why it should be necessary to become
irrational in order to prove that you care.  Or indeed why it should
be necessary to prove it at all."   (Avon to Vila in Blakes 7)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: ccc@cs.toronto.edu ("Christina C. Christara")
Subject: Re: Vacationing in Greece (when?)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 12 Jan 93 23:40:10 GMT

In article <DRG.93Jan12112151@candidus.ma30.bull.com> drg@candidus.ma30.bull.com (Daniel R. Guilderson) writes:
>I'm planning on making a first-ever visit to Greece later this year
>and I would like to know what the best time of the year to go is.
>Is it true as I have heard that Greece is very popular with European
>vacationers?  What is the most popular time to go?  What is the
>quietest time?  Thanks.
>
>Daniel R. Guilderson                 Zenith Data Systems / Bull
>508-294-6612                         300 Concord Road    MS 853A
>drg@candidus.ma30.bull.com           Billerica, MA 01821
>
>semper liberi

About 8 million people visit Greece every year.
(Note: this almost equals the country's population.)
The busiest time is July 15 to August 31.
At that time, certain places get really crowded.
But other places might be relatively quiet all year round.

If you want to swim in the sea, then July, August and possibly
September are the right months. Sightseeing can be done at
almost any time of the year, since the weather is relatively
mild. If you are interested in nature, mountains, trees, flowers, etc.,
then spring is a good time. Spring in Greece is long, mild,
and you really feel it around you. If you are looking for
cultural activities, these are all year round, but their
peak differs with the place. For example in Athens, the capital,
there is a 3-month long festival in July-August-September,
including shows of ancient Greek dramas, played in original
ancient Greek theaters, and any kind of modern performances
by Greek or non-Greek organisations.
On the other hand in Thessaloniki (or Salonika), the second
biggest city, the cultural peak is in October, when the one-month
long festival called Demetria goes on.

So it depends on what you really want to do and what to visit
as to which is the best time of the year.

C. Christara
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis)
Subject: Re: CNN recognizes Macedonian independence?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 03:35:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.185716.14935@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> cpbuehrer@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
>When CNN does a news report on the situation in Yugoslavia/Bosnia/Croatia,
>etc...they often show a map of that area.  On the map there is a section of
>land with the name "MACEDONIA".
>
>What's the deal here?  Does CNN recognize Macedonia as a country or what?
>
>
>--Dennis


Good question.


Gr
From: cla02@keele.ac.uk (R. Wallace)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Vegans in Greece
Date: 8 Jan 93 12:46:19 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

I need some help with a problem.

I am taking a group of students to Athens in March (which is no problem
at all). But two of them have just told me that they are Vegans, who eat
no animal products at all. Now, vegetarians are no problem - they eat
cheese and eggs and milk etc., and they can cope. But how do you survive
as a vegan in Greece? None of these foods are open to them. They're nice
kids, and this is their first trip to Greece, and I wouldn't want it to
be a bad experience for them.

More particularly, I am unsure whether any Greek non-meat dishes
actually have hidden animal products in them. I have the impression that
Greeks use olive oil all the time instead of butter, and don't cook with
milk very much, but on the whole I just eat the stuff, I've never tried
cooking it!

If anyone can give me any advice I can pass on to my vegan students, I
would be very grateful.

And a Happy New Year!

Richard Wallace
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: jfk@cscns.com ()
Subject: CAVE OF THE CYCLOPS
Organization: Community_News_Service
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 04:39:09 GMT


	I'm researching the ancient stories of classical Greece, specifically
looking for any true stories that the myths were based on (e.g. Jason,
Odyssey, Knossos)
	I have heard stories about a cavern known as the Cave of the Cyclops
located in Sougia, on the south coast of Crete. I am interested in any
pictures of the cave, that may be available via e-mail, FTP whatever.

	I am also trying to establish just what was the true basis for the
labryinth at Knossos. Was it the palace, or was it a seperate entity all to 
itself?
From: s0615838@let.rug.nl (J. Bos)
Subject: Re: CNN recognizes Macedonian independence?
Organization: Faculteit der Letteren, Rijksuniversiteit Groningen, NL
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 11:47:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.185716.14935@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> cpbuehrer@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
>Subject: CNN recognizes Macedonian independence?
>From: cpbuehrer@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
>Date: 8 Jan 93 18:57:16 -0500
>When CNN does a news report on the situation in Yugoslavia/Bosnia/Croatia,
>etc...they often show a map of that area.  On the map there is a section of
>land with the name "MACEDONIA".
>
>What's the deal here?  Does CNN recognize Macedonia as a country or what?
>
>
>--Dennis

No, I don't think so. They just use it as a name for that part of former 
Yugoslavia. What else should you call it? It is, unfortunately, best known 
as Republic of Macedonia. 

Johan
From: gavrila@imhfhp16.epfl.ch (Spyros Gavrilakis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Greece and the EC (Greg 1)
Date: 9 Jan 93 11:43:36 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

In article <1993Jan8.202216.23818@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis) writes:
|> 
|> Sorry, I forgot something :-)!
|> 
|> 
|> In article <1993Jan8.144219@imhfhp16.epfl.ch> gavrila@imhfhp16.epfl.ch (Spyros Gavrilakis) writes:
|> >
|> >                             Companies that they cannot stand
|> >competition are worthless.
|> 
|> 
|> This is a very reasonable answer but it is wrong. Why? Because it is
|> incomplete. And according to Poper's axioms for an assertion to be
|> logical (scientific) it needs to be able to leave open the possibility
|> to be disproved.
|> 
|> The factor which is missing from your assertion and which would
|> transform it into a logical one is the TIME constraint.
|> 

Greek companies have been protected for decades and still were unable
to compete. Pull the other one.

|> 
|> Gr

sg
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: CNN recognizes Macedonian independence?
From: cpbuehrer@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:57:16 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

When CNN does a news report on the situation in Yugoslavia/Bosnia/Croatia,
etc...they often show a map of that area.  On the map there is a section of
land with the name "MACEDONIA".

What's the deal here?  Does CNN recognize Macedonia as a country or what?


--Dennis
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Greece and the EC (oil?)
From: cpbuehrer@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Date: 9 Jan 93 18:55:27 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

> No, it doesn't!!! You are trying to down grade any possible good point of
> Greece. Are you from the civil war losers (they had the fame of this mania
> for a while)?

Maybe that's because Greece sucks.

--Dennis

PS: JUST KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Greece is my home away from home (Cincinnati, Ohio USA).  I love it!!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,alt.discimination
From: georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Media Stereotypes: The Solution
Keywords: underdog
Organization: Meta - Software
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:24:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.215042.18790@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

>In article <1803@rwja.umdnj.edu> jpark@rwja.umdnj.edu (John Park) writes:
>>garyt@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Gary Terusaki) writes:

>>> [ . . . ]

>Note how this conversation has been twisted by the poster.  This newsgroup
>is about Asian(-ge)-Americans-ci.  The original thread of conversation was
>about Oriental(-ge)-Americans-ci in the media.

     Why, that's horrible.  Good thing we have you, Dwight Joe, to keep all our
conversations on track.  Otherwise, goodness, we might find ourselves
discussing all sorts of random things . . . the evilness of Chinese culture,
even.

> [ . . . ] Consider
>
>     Chinese records add cannibalism to 1960s horrors
>
>     [ article deleted ]

     Note how this conversation has been twisted by the poster . . .

							George



-- 
----
George J Wu,  Superior Maker of Technical Snafus,  georgew@metasw.com
Meta-Software,  1300 White Oaks Road,  Campbell, CA 95008,  (408) 369-5400
Never be the first to believe.  Never be the last to deceive.  ---  Chess
From: rw@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Russil Wvong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: FAQ
Date: 9 Jan 1993 18:43:55 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Alan Hu writes:
>hassan monu alam writes:
>>The reason few S. Asians participate in "Asian-American" issues,
>>is because "Asian-American" means "East-Asian-American" in the
>>USofA.
>
>Why do people keep insisting this?  As long as everyone insists that:
>	South Asian Americans aren't Asian Americans
>	Asian Americans are really Orientals
>	Orientals are those people who look like Japs and Chinks and Gooks
>we're not going to make any progress.  All of this racial terminology
>is pretty out-of-date to start with.  (I mean, "the Orient" used to
>mean the Middle East, aka Western Asia.)  Why quibble on obsolete
>semantic nitpicks?  Why accept an obsolete notion that excludes, when
>there is a more current notion that includes?

Agreed, but I think Hassan's statement is basically correct.  In theory,
"Asian-American" includes South Asians, but in practice, it often doesn't.
Basically, the term has been taken over by East Asians, because we don't
want to call ourselves "Orientals" any more. :-)

I don't think acceptance or rejection of the definition is very important,
anyway.  I think what's important is communication and interaction between
the two communities; particularly on the individual level.  Myself, I know
lots of Chinese, and a few Japanese, but only a couple South Asians.

>	Despite some shared religion (Buddhism, Hinduism (with
>>Indonesia), and Islam (with Malaysia & Indonesia)) East-Asians
>>and South-Asians have little in common.
>
>Assuming we're talking about South-Asian Americans and East-Asian Americans,
>I disagree.  In terms of US immigrant experience, we've got a lot more
>in common:

   [- agricultural labor; white racism; prohibition on immigration
    - greater immigration after 1965; often professionals]

Agreed.

>Second generation Asian Americans of both groups must struggle with
>the conflict between a highly-developed, conservative, and ancient
>culture and the reality of growing up as an American in America.

Yes, but I think the cultures involved are quite different.  For example,
I don't think Indians are as nationalist as the Chinese.  (Of course, I'm
speaking from ignorance here.  About all I know of Indian culture comes
from reading Roger Zelazny's "Lord of Light". :-)

I also have the impression that South Asian parents have more control over
their children than East Asian parents; there isn't such a big cultural
gap between the first and second generations.  Again, though, I'm pretty
ignorant about South Asian culture.

>Both groups are presumed foreign by the US media and establishment.
>Both groups are perceived as a foreign, un-American threat whenever their
>numbers increase.  Both groups are targetted for violence by neo-Nazi groups.

Yes, but I think East Asians are perceived as much more of a threat, because
of the Japanese trade issue.

Don't forget the interracial dating issue, either. :-)

--Russil
From: ahsiung@bbn.com (Anita Hsiung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: bimbos
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:19:25 GMT
Reply-To: ahsiung@labs-n.bbn.com (Anita Hsiung)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In article <93007.162057SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu> <SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu>
writes:
>
>  I bet all the Chinese girls you know are in Hollywood. _-)

Ahem...  Some of us Chinese _women_ really are in Hollywood...
;^)

	-- Anita --

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Media Stereotypes: The Solution
Organization: Meta - Software
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:48:34 GMT

In article <C09pr5.5vE@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (jupiter) writes:

>A much better solution is to have one of these rich guys with
>deep deep pockets in Hong kong, Japan, or Taiwan buy out some
>of these Hollywood studios and fire all of the top executives
>and replace them with Asian Americans or staffers from the home
>country.
>
>Then they can have a free hand in producing whatever type of movie
>they like and have leading roles go to whoever they feel like giving
>it to be it Asian or any other people.  
>
>But then the question is will movies that have an Asian as the
>leading male be able to make money in this racist country?

     Sony now owns Columbia Pictures and Matsushita owns Paramount (I think).
Both claim they will not interfere with the creative control of the studios,
in response to American fears of "the Japanese takeover."

     I think it'll be a cold day in Hell before you see an AA star in the lead
role of a mainstream American movie.

							George


-- 
----
George J Wu,  Superior Maker of Technical Snafus,  georgew@metasw.com
Meta-Software,  1300 White Oaks Road,  Campbell, CA 95008,  (408) 369-5400
Never be the first to believe.  Never be the last to deceive.  ---  Chess
From: rw@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Russil Wvong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: bimbos
Date: 6 Jan 1993 10:22:50 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
Follup-To: alt.flame

an3879@anon.penet.fi writes:
>I know several Chinese girls.  It seems that all the Chinese girls
>that I know who grew up or were born here in America are bimbos.
>They wear tons of makeup, use disgusting perfume, smile too much
>(I'm talking about fake and insincere smiles), wear clothes that
>are too tight and skirts that are too high, and just all around
>too gung ho American.
>
>I hate them, every time I see one of them I just want to throw up.

Get a life.  You don't have anything better to do than to post this
kind of crap anonymously?

To be added to the FAQ:

xx.  I'd like to meet some Asian girls.  Is this an appropriate place
     to post a personal ad?

No.  A lot of people here get irritated by this kind of personal ad,
justifiably or not.  Try alt.personals.

-- Russil
From: christil@uts.amdahl.com (Christine Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: bimbos
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:18:15 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1993Jan7.193527.26026@almserv.uucp>, g9utxu@fnma.COM
(Tanin Uthayanaka) writes: 
> In article p00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com, christil@uts.amdahl.com
(Christine Lee) writes: 
> >In article <1993Jan7.140752.23612@almserv.uucp>, g9utxu@fnma.COM
> >(Tanin Uthayanaka) writes: 
> >> In article d7h103DBc7kV00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com,
> >christil@uts.amdahl.com (Christine Lee) writes: 
> >> >In article <1993Jan6.142309.11254@fuug.fi>, an3879@anon.penet.fi
> >> >writes:  
> >> >> I know several Chinese girls.  It seems that all the Chinese girls 
> >> >> that I know who grew up or were born here in America are bimbos.
> >> >> They wear tons of makeup, use disgusting perfume, smile too much
> >> >> (I'm talking about fake and insincere smiles), wear clothes that
> >> >> are too tight and skirts that are too high, and just all around
> >> >> too gung ho American.
> >> >> 
> >> >> I hate them, every time I see one of them I just want to throw up.
> >> >
> >> >ha ha ha ha!  You are too funny!
> >> 
> >> I hope you're being sarcastic 'cause I don't think he meant it as a joke.
> >> 
> >> Are you Chinese ? If you are then aren't you offended ?
> >> 
> >> TU
> >
> >Yes, I am Chinese.  And, no, I wasn't offended.  It's not worth it to
> >get all worked up over something like what he said!  I don't think his
> >posting was worth more than what I responded with simply because he is
> >applying a generalization to a large group of people.  If you know
> >that you don't fit into his generalization (stereotype), then you
> >shouldn't care at all about what he said!  You don't need to prove
> >that you don't fit into what he described if you know that you don't
> >fit that description!  
> >
> You are too kind (I'm being sincere). May be you're right not to
> give this man much attention and may be I'm just reading to much
> into what he's saying. I wonder how you would feel if you were in a
> party and someone said the same thing no matter if he was speaking
> directly to you or not. Would you react the same ?? 

Yes, I would probably react the same way (depending on my mood that
day!) whether I heard it at a party, supermarket, gas station, mall,
etc!  I think if the person was not blind, he could see that I am
Asian and I don't fit that stereotype.  Let him figure it out for
himself.  I don't need to prove anything!  I don't have a chip on my
shoulder about it, but I certainly wouldn't stop any other women from
reacting in a different way if they are offended!  I would applaud it,
in fact!  I just don't have the time or energy or care to deal with
such petty remarks!
-- 

Christine Lee                           Amdahl Corp. 	
christil@long_island.uts.amdahl.com     Santa Clara, CA   

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