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From: holms@gtephx.UUCP (Steve Holm)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Why shave legs?
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:10:22 GMT
Organization: AG Communication Systems

In article <17347@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith) writes:
>     Do I think shaving is worthwhile for touring riders? 
> 
> Yes, if the temperatures are above 90 degrees F with better than 80% 
> humidity. In my experience no hair is cooler.  In extreme heat conditions 
> shaving may make the difference between heat stroke and a nice ride.
> 
Now, I don't have a lot of hair all over my body but I would think you'd
have to have coverage approaching something called fur for shaving to make
a difference in heat retention. :-)

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
Subject: Re: Vegetarian seeks biking shoes
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:28:54 GMT

Andy Dickinson (ad0834@csc.albany.edu) writes:

> 	Ok... weird message title, but basically it describes my
> question:  Does anyone know of anyone that makes 100% synthetic
> cycling shoes?  It seems like almost all the shoes I've seen have at
> least leather uppers or trim... anyone have any leads on where to find
> non-leather shoes?

Is it okay to wear shoes made from the leather of critters that died of 
natural causes?

    Marc San Soucie
    Portland, Oregon
    marcs@slc.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,ca.driving,rec.motorcycles
From: chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman)
Subject: Re: Car vs Cycle vs Bike vs Ped--The Main Point
Organization: City of Saint Paul Public Works
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:28:03 GMT

grenley@cirrus.com (George Grenley) writes:
> chucks@banana.ithaca.ny.us (Chuck Schultz) writes:
>> One of the biggest problems in city traffic is the law that says
>> you must stay as far to the right as possible.  This creates a
>> mindset in riders that they have to stay next to the curb, and
>> drive around parked cars and other obstructions, such as drains,
>> etc.  They would be much safer by asserting their right to a part
>> of the _traffic_ lane, and riding in a straight, predictable line. 

> They won't be safe there if I'm on the road.

Perhaps you'd like to start filling out your accident report right now.
Perhaps your insurance company should be notified so they can have you
transferred into the "assigned risk" pool.  You'll love the higher
premiums.

> Now get the bicycle crap OFF rec.mc, now, please.  Or the next one of
> you I see is going to be "cross posted" 8-).

Nice of you to 'pre-confess' to vehicular assault.  I hope it
holds up in court.

> We're bikers. We just don't care.  We don't have to.

Speak for yourself, sonny.  My experience with bikers tells me
just the opposite.

>> If traffic is slow enough, I even ride in the middle of the lane,
>> to make sure I don't get squeezed.  

> Bad idea.  I squeeze anyway....

Which is probably why you're persona non gratis with Real Bikers(tm).

>> Also, I don't pass cars
>> stopped at a stop light.  I stay in line, rather than tick off
>> somebody who will soon be behind me.

> good idea.  another good idea is NOT TO POST IN REC.MC!!!!

Sounds to me like _you_ are in the wrong newsgroup, too.  Your
group, wreck.chumps.with.an.attitude is down the hall.

-- 
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T.S.A.K.C.   /  "If there is no God, who pops up the next Kleenex?" - Art Hoppe
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: stek@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu
Subject: re:look pedals
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:47:56 GMT


>From: javier@cs.toronto.edu (Javier Pinto)
>Date:  9-APR-1992 09:17:43
>Description: look pedals


>After a long time of deliberation I decided to get myself a pair of Look's.
>I chose the PP56 (1991 model), the choice was determined by budget and
>other factors. Anyways, I just tried them out indoors to see how they feel
>(in my living room), I will go out in my usual training ride on Sat or
>Sunday and try them seriously for the first time. I am using the ARC red
>cleats. 
> 
>Anyways, my question, if you sprint real hard, or if you pedal (standing) up a
>hill hammering real hard, how likely is it to get the shoe off the pedal
>unintentionally? I ask because it seemed to me that unlocking yourself from
>the pedal was very easy, a bit too easy to my taste. Unfortunately (this is
>the first drawback of having bought the cheapest pedals), the 56's don't
>have adjustable release tension.

I stongly suggest that you do some sprinting by yourself before 
doing any with a group.  One of the worse crashes on my team this
year was from a rider pulling out of his Look cleats going for 
a town line.  It was his first ride with the new pedals and I guess he tended
to ratate his feet when he sprinted.  
It is a good idea to start off with the red cleat.  Clipless pedals
with no rotation will peobably let you rotate less than
the strap assembly with the usual amount of wear. Using the red 
cleats makes initial alignment less of a problem.

Paul Stek
stek@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu
From: own@castle.ed.ac.uk (O Morgan)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Ridgeback
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:45:59 GMT
Organization: Scottish Agricultural College

I'm trying to figure out what MTB to buy, and am considering the
RidgeBack range.  Has anyone any opinions/experience on these bikes? The
3 models I'm looking at are the 602GS, 603GS and 605LX.  The only
difference between the first two as far as I can see is 100GS and 200GS
components and #70 ($110) in price.  A novice question: Is there such a
differnce between components.  I mean I assume that the 100GS set
changes gears ok, what does the 200GS set do on top?

Thanks for any help.

Olly Morgan
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: BICYCLE CRASH
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 03:18:10 GMT

Tom Reingold correctly points out that bicycles are generally treated
the same as other vehicles under the law, then remarks:
>There are a few rights taken away also, such as riding on Interstate roads.

Actually, it is legal for bicycles to ride quite a few Interstates,
but mostly in rural areas where there are no reasonable alternatives.
It is also permitted on a segment of Interstate 280 on the San Francisco
Peninsula.

--
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: brianc@iastate.edu (Brian J Cerveny)
Subject: 1992 RAGBRAI Information
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 02:21:31 GMT

There has been some interest in information concerning the route and dates of
RAGBRAI XX.  This year RAGBRAI (The Register's Annual Great Bike Ride Across
Iowa) is July 19-25, with a total distance of 494 miles.

Following is a detailed description of this year's route:

Day 1:  Sunday, July 19
        Route: Glenwood - Bartlett - Thurman - Sidney - Shenandoah  (50 miles)

Day 2:  Monday, July 20
        Route: Shenandoah - Essex - Villisca - Nodaway - Corning - Gravity -
               Bedford  (77 miles)

Day 3:  Tuesday, July 21
        Route: Bedford - Benton - Mount Ayr - Kellerton - Decatur City - Leon -
               Van Wert - Weldon - Osceola  (76 miles)

Day 4:  Wednesday, July 22
        Route: Osceola - Liberty - Medora - New Virginia - St. Marys - Wick -
               Martensdale - Prole - Norwalk - Des Moines  (58 miles)

Day 5:  Thursday, July 23
        Route: Des Moines - Pleasant Hill - Monroe - Knoxville - Harvey -
               Oscaloosa  (73 miles)

Day 6:  Friday, July 24
        Route: Oscaloosa - Delta - Hayesville - Richland - Brighton - Coppock -
               Wayland - Trenton - Mount Pleasant  (87 miles) 

Day 7:  Saturday, July 25
        Route: Mount Pleasant - Salem - Houghton - Farmington - Donnellson -
               Argyle - Montrose - Keokuk  (73 miles)


The registration fee this year is $60 plus $10 for optional souvenir RAGBRAI
editions of the Register.  Money left over after costs will be donated to charity.

Applications were due on April 1, so it is too late for any new applications.
In any case, if there are any questions you can call Lois at The Des Moines
Register at (515) 284-8282.

And the disclaimer:  I am not affiliated in any way with the Des Moines Register.
                     The information above was provided solely for the benefit of
                     those interested.

Enjoy.  I'm still not sure if I'll be going yet, but I hope I can.
-- 
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From: seales@taquilee.inria.fr (Brent Seales)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re:  why shave legs? (or, where is Antibes?)
Date: 6 Apr 92 07:48:34 GMT
Organization: INRIA Sophia-Antipolis, France


I wrote this:

> I will freely admit the reason why I shave my legs.  It is pure vanity...
> I suspect that this is the primary reason most riders shave their legs.

Jim Kimball writes:

   > Such candor, such directness, so informative--I had mistakenly assumed they
   > all were transvestites who didn't want the hair to show through pantyhose
   > when crossdressed.
   >
   > BTW, where is this address?

The French Riviera.

Brent

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Organization: Sophomore, Chemical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:27:54 -0400 
From: "Christopher L. Morrow" <cm43+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Low Profile brakes=low performance braking?
	<12441@tamsun.tamu.edu>

On 15-Apr-92 in Re: Low Profile brakes=low ..
user Craig MacIntyre@mips.uuc writes:
>In article <0duvqGu00iV18_U6FA@andrew.cmu.edu> cm43+@andrew.cmu.edu
(Christophe
>r L. Morrow) writes:
>>Shimano tool' to set them up properly, but some how, possible through
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^      
>this makes setting them up easy but it is not needed.
> 
>>indicate that they are by far the best set up brakes we have seen, the
>>lock up almost immediatly and hold in all conditions we could test them
>>in, didn't try water yet.  I guess they are just really hard to set up,
> 
>Part of the reason that they are wonderful is the servo-wave levers.
>These make standard XT brakes wonderful too.  (I have old XT with
>Servo-wave levers)  If you have set things up properly they are
>fantastic brakes -- truly two finger brakes.  

this is true, the servo-wave levers are nice, but the SM2000 comes with
Ritchey Logic Levers, not servo-wave so this is not the reason they are
great...  anyone else with an opinion???
--Chris
school: x4545
Home: 703-264-0058
cm43@andrew.cmu.edu


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: weird@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.t.erhardt)
Subject: Re: Vetta 20 cyclocomputer
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:28:41 GMT

In article <74162@netnews.upenn.edu> forbes@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Andrew H. Forbes) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.162247.12786@ee.ubc.ca> ileung@ee.ubc.ca (LEUNG ISAAC JING H) writes:
>>We have shop up here (Mountain Equipment Co-Op,Vancouver,B.C.), also carries bike stuff, has the
>>Vetta C-20 sittin' right there...
>>
>>By the way, my bro' who bought a C-10 had the batteries conk out in like a month or 2
>>dunno if this is a freak occurence or what...
>
>I bought a C-10 last year (end of May) and used it for the summer (I
>don't take my bike with me to school).  Anyway, The battery didn't run
>out on me.  Actually, the C-10 has an "auto-shut-off" feature which
>"turns-off" the computer after non-activity of a certain time-limit
>(well, at least it blanks the display).  So far, for the price, I
>think its a great deal, but we'll find out at the end of this summer
>(A couple of months isn't enough time to really test something, IMHO).
>
>
>
I've had a Vetta C-10 for almost a year now.  No problems whatso ever.
The battery did die on me a couple weeks ago.  I replaced it with one
from my Paramount computer which doesn't work.
I'm am getting a little tired of it since the timer only goes for an 
hour then cycles back to zero.  So when the Uncle Sam decided to give me
back my refund I'm getting either an Avocet 40 or Vetta C-20.

The only thing I don't like about the C-20 is that it's a rear wheel mount,
I believe.  I don't like stringing extra cables all over my bike.  Also,
does anyone know if vetta has increased the range of the timer? 
Counting for an hour for me is worthless.   What about the Avocet 40, how
long does it count for?


Thanks.

John Erhardt
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ad0834@csc.albany.edu (Andy Dickinson)
Subject: Re: MTBs: how to clean the drivetrain?
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:42:29

Steve -

	Water and mud probably aren't too bad as long as you service
your drivetrain once and a while.  After riding in the snow a bit on
my road bike I felt the need to overhaul my bike this spring (which I
imagine is a good thing to do even if you haven't been riding in
snow).  I've heard stories about grit being ground into various
drivetrain parts causing a lot of problems.  Someone I know had his
bottom-bracket pop open while he was riding because he hadn't cleaned
it often enough....

Anyway, this is what I did to clean mine:

- I got a chain rivet extractor, a freewheel tool, and a bottle of
degreaser

- Took the freewheel off and soaked it in the degreaser for a bit
(though I've heard this is not always a great thing to do -- some
freewheels are "factory lubed" and it's hard to get them lubricated
again if you dissolve all the degreaser), then scrubbed it with a
freewheel cleaning brush.

- Took the chain off, soaked it for a while.  

- Took the chainrings off and soaked them.

- Scrubbed everything else remaining on the bike with the brush and
degreaser.

- Scrubbed the chain and the chainrings and then put everything back
together.

- Then, I sprayed a bunch (as it turns out, too much) Tri-flow on all
the moving parts and the chain.


The bike runs real smoothly now.  Seems like that's a good bit of
maintainence to do every once and a while.  I don't usually ride in
mud, so I probably won't do it again until next season, but I doubt it
would hurt the bike any if I did...

Cost me about $30, all together, though most of that are tools which
I'll have for next time...

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From: tjr@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (thomas.j.roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Do clipless pedals hold tenaciously in an accident?
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:42:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsc.1992Apr14.154224.19960
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T


 In article <kukdvoINN47n@sal-sun80.usc.edu>, dittrich@sal-sun80.usc.edu (Matt Dittrich) writes:
> In article <1992Apr7.191842.25127@ee.ubc.ca> ileung@ee.ubc.ca (LEUNG ISAAC JING H) writes:
> [...]
>  >
>  >I dunno, any body got any other crash stories with clipless'?
>  >
>  >or maybe that's just me...(ever keeled over at a stop?)
>  >
>  >Isaac Leung
> 
> 
> A better question might be:  
> 
> Are there any clipless users out there who have NEVER keeled over at a stop?

Yes. I have used Time Sport pedals now for just over a year.
I have never crashed, but have had a couple of close calls during
the first few weeks. The biggest problem I had was getting clipped
into them - there seems to be a mode where the foot is partially
inserted into the pedal, but no amount of force or finesse will make
it clip in - you must remove your foot and start over. I have learned
how to avoid this, mostly (it seems to require one to insert the front
of the shoe first).

When stopping, I nearly always unclip my right foot and prepare to
put it on the ground. It works for me.

Tom Roberts	att!ihlpl!tjrob		TJROB@IHLPL.ATT.COM
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:9043 rec.autos.driving:2263 ca.driving:820 rec.motorcycles:12696
From: jimiii@mips.com (Jim Warford)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,ca.driving,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Kill a Biker, Go to Jail. NOT!!!
Date: 9 Apr 1992 18:01:52 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Sunnyvale, California
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: electron.mips.com

In article <21150@hacgate.UUCP> kemasa@ipld01.hac.com (Kemasa) writes:

Regarding a (motor)cyclist hit by a car where the driver didn't see them.
>
>It is a lame excuse since I would guess that the person really did not
>look. I have seen far too many people pull out without stopping.
>
 Maybe the DMV should send them a letter to the effect that if their
eyesight is so bad they can't see a bike or motorcycle their eyesight
is obviously (by their own admission) too poor for them to continue
driving on public roads.

--jimiii


-- 
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From: einart@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Einar Traa)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Altitude & weather
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:02:06 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <9204071730.AA17395@hplomg.hpl.hp.com> BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:
>Torsten Lif writes:
>
>> So the question is: how "steep" can an air-pressure gradient be? If
>> there's a low-pressure on one side of the pass and a high-pressure on
>> the other, will the AVO-50 register false altitude changes as I pass
>> the summit? Or are these changes so slow that they will merely appear

Here is a numerical example:

In the summer there is usually a thermal low pressure area east of the
Cascades in Washington and Oregon. The pressure gradient will blast a 20-50
knot wind through the Columbia Gorge (and attract thousands of windsurfers from
all over the US). This pressure gradient typically causes a gradual altimeter 
error of 100-200 feet in the 80 miles from Portland to The Dalles. 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Subject: Re: MTBs: how to clean the drivetrain?
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Reply-To: P.Etheridge@massey.ac.nz
Organization: SMIS, Massey University, NZ
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 22:40:26 GMT

Stephen Scheck writes:

>I just started riding bikes, so I know absolutely nothing about their
>maintenace. I'm look for some advice on how to clean the chain, cogs,
>chainwheels, etc. I've went through some muddy potholes, so there's some mud
>on the drivetrain, but it's not too bad. Is water okay?

Just don't squirt it with high pressure directly at the bearings.  Re-lube the
chain when its dry (I usually leave it overnight).  Alternatively, spray it
straight away with CRC 5.56 or WD-40, which remove the water.  These aren't
much good as a long term lube, though, because they evaporate quickly, so use
something else later.

Phil Etheridge              Internet: P.Etheridge@massey.ac.nz
Macintosh Consultant        Phone:    +64+6-356 9099 ext 8689
SMIS, Massey University     Fax:      +64+6-350 5611
Palmerston North, NZ        40*23'S, 175*37'E ;  GMT+12
From: SOND0091@HASARA11.BITNET (Willem Boersma)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Race results: Tour of Flanders
Date: 10 Apr 92 03:52:17 GMT
Organization: SARA - Stichting Academisch Rekencentrum Amsterdam

There were in fact a few unusual things about this year's Tour of Flanders.
I watched the life coverage of the "Ronde van Vlaanderen" on Belgian TV
with a Canadian (now living in Scotland) friend who knew absolutely
nothing about cycle racing. As you may know, it is not at all unusual for
a small group of nameless riders to take a long lead at the beginning
of a classic race, that is 300 km long. Once TV coverage starts, the
"Big" riders will accelerate and the nameless riders will collaps.
That is exactly what happened this time, only they let them take a 22 minutes
lead, which was obviously too much. It was forgotten that one of the
nameless was in fact not that nameless, it was Thomas Wegmuller who is
famous for his time trials. He can just go on and on riding at high speed.
Of course, once the race started, I explained to my friend that yes, they
had a long lead, but they would be captured somewhere. Well, there went
my reputation as a cycling race expert!
But I was not the only one to misjudge. The Belgian TV, who had seen
one helicopter break down, concentrated mainly on the followers.
The decision of the race was not shown at all, the TV camera motorcycle
(yes there are motorcycles in bike races ;-) only joined Jacky Durand
after the last climb on the Bosberg. So, with over 3 hours of life
coverage (uninterrupted by commercials, how about that), we hardly saw
anything from the winner at all.
Jacky Durand (at least he has a name that sounds like a winner) is of
course a totally unknown rider. He is in fact not that young (25) and
this is his third year as a professional, in which he indeed only won
one race. Let us hope that he now proves to be a real champion, because
although the mistake made by the big riders to let them get away
too far was one factor, the performance made by Durand was indeed
excellent.
Two parallels come to mind. One is the 10 minutes lead that Bauer,
Maassen, Pensec and Chiapucci took on the first day of the Tour the
France 1990, that eventually took Chiapucci to the second place overall.
Chiapucci, who was at first considered a one day wonder like Durand,
later gave ample proof that he is a real champion.
The other one is Paris-Roubaix in 1988, where the group of nameless
taking a long lead were never seen again by the big names too.
Of winner Dirk de Mol was never heard again. Second in that race was...
Thomas Wegmuller!
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From: khe@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Keith Erskine)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:30:11 GMT
Subject: Re: Cat 4/5 mix is bullshit!!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

I think cat 5 for a district with enough riders to have a separate
cat 5 race is *GREAT*!!!!  If 5's are mixed with 4's, it's just
the same as last year's situation, as many have pointed out to
those complaining.  

I did a 55 mile race in the 3/4 group, and it was the smoothest
pack with cat 4's I've ever seen, especially considering how dangerous
early season races usually are.  I only saw one guy doing stupid things,
and there was only one crash (and this was a road race on dirt roads!!!)
at the end of the race (caused by a cat 3 racer notorious here for 
causing crashes - "Wobbly Wee", for you locals).

A friend, Jon Eisele, did the cat 5 race, and he said it was a disaster,
with 3-4 crashes, and one guy hitting the lead motorcycle from behind
attacking off the front with his head down (this one still has me laughing).

I think for racers who never get serious enough to make it out of cat 4V
should not to have to risk serious injury from racing against absolute 
beginners.  In Colorado, where we used to always have two packs of 4's,
I think a large pack of 4's and a small pack of 5's is much better
and safer.  It also means absolute beginners in a cat 5 only race
will have a better chance of placing well (or not getting dropped), which 
will help encourage them in racing.

Keith Erskine