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From: glenm@bnr.ca (Glen Martin)
Subject: Re: EXHIBITIONIST VS NATURIST
Reply-To: glenm@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 12:43:41 GMT

In article <15339.2A791E9D@zeus.ieee.org>, Tom.Martens@f583.n107.z1.ieee.org (Tom Martens) writes:
|> My question is do you naturists consider one naked female with 7 nude  
|> men an exhibitionist?????  

Tom -

Exhibitionism is deriving (possibly sexual) pleasure by shocking/
tittilating others via behaving/dressing in an unusual manner. It
is an *intent* thing. One woman nude with 100 nude men is not
necessarily exhibitionism. You didn't say anything about why she
was there (ie. what her intent was). 

Also, nudity at a nude event is not unusual.

Nope, I think the other woman should have joined in, too.

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From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: New York, Nudity, and Women
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:59:46 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu

In article <> cherkaue@ee.rochester.edu (Brian Cherkauer) writes:
>                                       Many people use the expression
>"There is no Constitutional right to not be offended" to belittle those
>who are against seeing women's breasts in a non-sexual manner, then turn
>right around and say women should have the right to be free from being
>offended by people looking at their breasts.  You can't have it both ways.

I think the problem here is not one of women feeling offended but that they
are threatened by the stares.  People should have the right to be free of
threats.  No one is threatened by seeing a breast or two even if they are
offended.  (And just for the record: I do look but I don't stare except in
special cases where it is appropriate.)

Of course I could be wrong, it would be nice if some of the women in the group
stated how they feel about looks (offended? threatened? other?).  I am not
saying that staring is necessarily a threat.  What I am saying is that staring
is likely to be interpreted as a threat.  When someone stares at me I am not
offended nor threatened.  I just figure I've got food crumbs in my beard. :-)

In article <> cherkaue@ee.rochester.edu (Brian Cherkauer) writes:
>At any rate, to address the issue of making topless zones on beaches.  
>I do not see how legislation of this sort would be any more constitutional
>then the state law struck down by the NY Court of Appeals, unless it
>applied equally to both men and women.  Will men start wearing those
>full top bathing suits again just so they can "take their family to a beach
>without having their children see naked breasts"?  I don't think so.

(The following is just a random thought, I am not trying to make a point.
I am not advocating it nor am I making a value judgement.)

I was recently thinking about this.  Suppose the authorities in control of
various beaches put signs up at the entrance to the beach with a depiction
of an asexual human being (front and back view) with areas that must be
covered blacked out.  Each beach would have its own dress code which applied
to all people equaly.  The citation would be for 'failure to obey dress code'
and carry a fine rather than the usual 'indecent exposure' with big fines and
jail.  Any unsigned beach would have no dress code.  The locals and beach
users would have to lobby for whatever dress code they want on their beach.
It could get quite interesting.

-- 
	Thomas Earl Middleton
	middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu
	aka Happy Bare
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From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Subject: Re: Naturist Life International Magazine
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 05:30:29 GMT

In article <17JUL199210571507@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> scridd@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov writes:
>particular interest to Christians is the journal Naturist LIFE
>International, formerly "clothing optional LIFE".  Jim C.
>....  One regular
>feature, Divine Reflections, examines the relation between
>clothing or nudity and religion.  Apparently, "any religion which
>is part of our culture is welcome."

...as long as it follows Christian teaching.

That's what Jim's partner told us at the Gathering last
month.

What a pity, given the close affinity between Hindu
philosophy and Naturism, not to mention others.

Even so, Jim is a great guy and NLI looks like a winner.

I'm gone...

-- 

bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
From: brs@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Lightning hazard
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:57:23 GMT
Reply-To: brs@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

I swim with a team at an indoor, city owned pool.  Whenever there
is an electrical storm during practice, (like last night)
 they make us get out, claiming
there is the possibility of us getting electrocuted.  I have never heard
of this kind of danger in an indoor facility before, and was wondering 
if anyone out there has any evidence/experience/opinion on the subject
so that I can convince my teammates that we really DO need to get out 
of the pool in a thunderstorm.  Thanks!
Shereen Barry
Durham Aquatic Masters (the DAM swim team)
Durham, NC
From: bucur@pollux.usc.edu (alexander bucur)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Drafting
Date: 23 Jul 1992 14:33:33 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In article <1992Jul16.204321.10720@convex.com> peters@convex.COM (James Peters) writes:

>swims are simple: no wetsuits and no drafting".
>
>"Although wetsuits are legal in triathlons, the USS rules prohibit their
>use. Also, swimmers must stay at least 3 meters (10 feet) behind the 
>swimmers in front of them."
>
>real men don't wear rubber nor do they draft,
>james, peters@convex.com

I wonder how can they enforce this drafting rule, when the start is obviously
done in packs, and obviously people of same speed will stick together in order
to keep an eye on each other.

Sasha Bucur


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From: pan@panda.Stanford.EDU (Doug Pan)
Subject: Sunscreen for swimming
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:31:57

I'm starting to worry about getting skin cancer from swimming in the
sun.  Would like recommendations for sunscreen that can be used in the
pool.  How effective is it and how long does it last?

--Doug
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From: smith@csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au (Scott Smith)
Subject: Re: Freestyly Breathing.
Organization: External Studies, Murdoch University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 00:06:22 GMT

Well done Harry!  All it takes is a little practice and patience!

Scott
From: stanleyw@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (wong wing sang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: phone numbers for Victor & Speedo ??
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:44:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

this is a test   
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From: smith@csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au (Scott Smith)
Subject: Work ratios
Organization: External Studies, Murdoch University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 22:49:33 GMT

G'day all Swimmers and Coaches.

We have just finished week 2 of a 6 week training cycle, and spent most of
last nights session on technique which seems to have become a little sloppy
during the break.  The Ironman (whose race is in the surf) has a very
spasmodic beat with his kick.  He asked me why he should "focus on his
kick" and here is my response.

"Most people have a work ratio for freestyle of somewhere between 80-90%
for the upper part of the body to 20-10% for the lower body.  By that, we
are assuming that the arms and the upper body are taking on more of the
overall workload than the rest of the body.  Given that you major race is
in the surf, it would be better if that ratio could be adjusted to around
60-70% and 40-30% respectively.  What we are doing is increasing the
lowerbody's workload in the overall stroke.  Bearing in mind that the upper
part of your body is tackling the swell and finding the swimming path, the
resistence on the lower part of your body is less, and consequently should
work harder physically to assist the upper part of your body.  Thus, you
should swim faster."

Okay so I flowered it up a bit for you guys but I think the principle is a
sound one.  At the present, like most people, his arms are doing MOST of
the work.  I am interested in what others have to say about this approach. 
If you would like copies of the training program (bear in mind it is
pre-season) please let me know by email.

Good luck and keep on swimmin'

Scott
From: timc@sunpool.EBay.Sun.COM (Tim Cespedes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Remaining underwater
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:43:53 GMT
Reply-To: timc@sunpool.EBay.Sun.COM
Distribution: world
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: sunpool.ebay.sun.com





Ganesh,

The event was backstroke.

David Berkoff had a technique (dubbed the "Berkoff Blastoff") where he
started and then kicked butterfly on his back underwater.  He remained
underwater for well past 25 meters.  Berkoff's specialty was the 
100 meter backstroke.

The rule was changed so that a swimmer has to surface after 15 meters
from the wall.

Tim
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Subject: Swimming Pool Water Quality: Combined Chlorine
From: murphym@bclcl1.im.battelle.org
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:15:17 EST
Organization: Battelle, Columbus, OH

I was asked to look into frequent severe irritation experienced
by a person with no known allergies after lap swimming in a large
health club pool: severe runny nose, sneezing, sinus blockage,
etc.  This indoor rectangular pool is approx. 25 meters by 12
meters by 1.3 to 3.0 meters deep and is used for lap swimming, 
water aerobics, and general recreation.

Analysis of water samples for pH, free chlorine, and total 
chlorine over a period of four months showed that the pH was
generally 7.7 to 8.1 and the free chlorine was gennerally 0.5 to 1.5
ppm.  However, the combined chlorine levels ranged from 0.3 to 2.0
ppm, and were usually 1.8 to 2.0 ppm.  High levels of combined chlorine
are reported to imply lots of irritating chlorinated hydrocarbons and
chloramines in the water.

When the symptoms were assigned a severity score of 1 to 5, with 1 being
no symptoms, 5 being complete nasal congestion and severe sneezing, and
intermediate scores being clearly defined, a scatter plot showed a clear 
correlation.  This was a single-blind test since the scores were assigned
by the person without knowing the water analysis results.

Water analyses were done using a Sequoia-Turner model 340 
spectrophotometer and Hach DPD chemistry.  Hach chlorine solution
ampules, tracable to NIST, were used to develop the calibration 
curve.  Blank samples of distilled water spiked with chlorine bleach
stored in the same sample bottles and subjected to the same analysis
procedure showed free chlorine, but negligible combined chlorine, as
expected.  

The U.S. Public Health Service has a guideline for combined chlorine of 
0.2 ppm and the Council for National Cooperation in Aquatics has a combined
chlorine guideline of 0.3 ppm, so the combined chlorine levels in this
pool are many times the guidelines.

However, the pool management insists that these guidelines are "not
credible", that no one follows them, and that it is not necessary to 
measure on control combined chlorine levels.

--->>  My questions, especially to university pool operators:

    o  What levels of free and combined chlorine are found in 
       university pools?

    o  Do major university and competitive pools follow the US PHS
       guidelines for combined chlorine?

    o  Do accredited swim meets have regulations on water quality?
    
    o  Do the regulations include combined chlorine levels?  If so,
       what levels?

    o  What might the problem with this pool be?

    o  Is the answer superchlorination only, or must fresh water
       be added specifically to dilute contaminants?

    o  Fresh water is now added only to replace "splash-out". Is this
       normal practice?

    o  Is the combined chlorine diagnosis incorrect?  

 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie (Judge Raz)
Subject: Re: The use of drugs by Chinese female swimmers in the game?
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:42:00 GMT

In <1992Jul28.221209.608@mala.bc.ca> apland@mala.bc.ca writes:

>> Also, is it generally harder to test on females then on males? 
>> I noticed that most of those who got caught are male.

>you give steroids to male swimmers you don't get much, but given to a female
>swimmer you get a female swimming like a male.

And in the case of Angel Martino (Myers) talking like a man aswell.

Judge Raz. 

From: jjk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Jeff Krenek)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:44:46 GMT
Subject: Any Masters Clubs in SF South Bay
Organization: HP Software Technology Division
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming



After an 8 year vacation from swimming, I am looking to join a swim club that
offers a fairly competitive program.  I have kept in shape by cycling, but
I need to diversify a bit.  I have done some of the lunch time swims in the
area, but find that I need structure and competition.

I am looking for some good masters clubs in the San Francisco South Bay area.
Anything from Palo Alto to San Jose would work.   I understand that there
are some clubs at Santa Clara SC and Lynbrook, but I am not familiar with the
programs. Any contacts and/or program reviews would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Jeff Krenek
krenekj@mayfield.hp.com
From: U52809@uicvm.uic.edu (Chuck Amsler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: freestyle kick effort -- Addendum
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:09:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92205.110909U52809
 <92205.074908U52809@uicvm.uic.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

I forgot to mention in my earlier post that the 2-beat kick in particluar
is done with leg cross-over (in my hands, er a, feet, anyway).  Your legs
don't flutter straight up and down. They cross so that at the end of the
up or down stroke the right foot is to the left of the left foot (and, of
course, visa versa).  I paid attention to it in this morning's workout and
noticed that the top of the knee on my upper leg almost, but not quite, is
directly above the back of the knee of the lower leg at the top/bottom of
the kicks.  It is kind-of a scissoring motion.

  -- Chuck Amsler
     U52809@UICVM.UIC.EDU
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From: pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen)
Subject: Re: endorsements Was:Summer Sanders from Stanford?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 06:33:20 GMT

James Peters <peters@convex.COM> writes:
>on the subject of olympic swimmers cashing in. the color commentary
>on anita nall showed an interview with her parents noting she has
>foregone ncaa college swimming eligibility in favor of professional
>endorsements, most notably calvin klein. hopefully the deals she
>cut prior to her performance in the olympics won't be voided. i know
>she choked in the 200m breast, how did she fare in the 100m?

>the women's 4x100m free relay was way awesome. jenny thompson's anchor
>leg was phenomenal.

	She did better than expected in the 100m and finished second.
She was just touched out but did set a new American record and was only
about .25 seconds from the world record.  She was considered only an
outside shot for a medal in this event. 
	Remember she is only 16 so she could be back in '96.  Her decision
to not swim in college could make training difficult but others have
continued to swim after scholastic careers so she could as well.  I
wonder if her high school eligiblity is gone as well.  That would be too
bad.
	The 400 free was great!  Jenny Thompson's split by the way of
54.01 was the fastet split in history.  She will ancor the medely relay
Thursday and they are the slight favorites over the Chinese.  This will
be Nall's last chance for a gold at these Olympics.  Thompson also has
the 50m remaining on Friday.  She is favored to get a bronze or possibly
a silver if she does real well.  To win the gold she must beat the 
Chinese world record holder.

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From: hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Subject: Re: Freestyly Breathing. 
Keywords: tnx
Reply-To: hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 05:44:08 GMT

	Thanks to all for the interest in this thread.  It helped me a lot.

	After a few weeks of practice following the advises here, I can now
breath bilaterally pretty ..hmmm, comfortably.  The difference between 
breathing on the strong and the week side is diminishing quickly.  I still
swallow some water on the still-weeker side at times tho.
	Here's my experience:  I first started with alternating laps of weak-
side and strong-side breathing.  It was very unenjoyable because of the water
swallowing.  After 2 days of that, I switched back to breathing on the strong 
side most of the time, and only breath on the weak-side for a few strokes each
lap.  This alows me to compare the mechanics of breathing on both side.  I 
learned to breath on the weak side by just trying to recreate the strong side 
breathing on the weak and noting the difference in the two.  This method is 
more enjoyable, mainly because water swallowing is greatly reduced.
	After about 2 weeks, I think I did it.
	Bilateral swimming really gives my left arm a good workout everytime.
The pain in my left arm after 100 laps is just unbarable.  I didn't feel any
pain in my right arm when I started swimming.  But then, I started with 1/2
a lap, not 100 laps.  :)   (Btw, Columbia pool is 25 yard/lap, not 50 meter.)
	Again, I really appreciate the coaching on the net.

Cheers,
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|    Harry Xu  (KB2LHA)                 <>    Enjoying Summer in NYC.     |
|    hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu        <>    Happy running and swimming. |
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From: I.A.Inman@newcastle.ac.uk ( Ian Alexander Inman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: British Breaststrokers/Gold is Barrowman's
Keywords: Bye Bye Gold!!!!!!!
Date: 27 Jul 92 12:26:55 GMT
Organization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU.


Well, the Moorhouse/Gillingham challenge didn't materialise in the
100m breaststroke - I felt especially sorry for Moorhouse, as he had
a reasonable chance of defending his  100m title, and would have been
the first swimmer to successfully defend the 100m breaststroke title.

For Moorhouse, that his last chance gone, I don't think he'll be doing
another olympics.

Gillingham has a groin strain, which affected him in the final of the
100m, in which he swam against his coaches advice.   I think he may
have damaged his chances in the 200m.

Without the groin strain, I would say he would got have a medal, though
I think Barrowman would have got the gold anyway.

Now all Barrowman virtually needs to do is to turn up on the day, to
have the gold placed around his neck (though with swimming, you never
know - there are still some other good Americans to challenge him).

Barrowman, thanks to Gillingham, the gold is all but yours.

Sorry if I am being harsh on Gillingham, but he only has himself to
blame.   He may have worsened his injury by swimming in the 100m final,
and said "Bye Bye" to his 200m prospects.   
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: ilanc@microsoft.com (Ilan Caron)
Subject: new swimsuits
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:05:40 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

So what about these new swimsuits the American women are
wearing at the Olympics?

I assume they are more hydrodynamic (is that a word?) -- but
they don't seem to be doing their job since most US women are
not swimming as expected (too much pre-games hype??) and
they look horrible (the suits I mean).


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From: pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen)
Subject: Re: new swimsuits
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 06:45:39 GMT

ilanc@microsoft.com (Ilan Caron) writes:

>So what about these new swimsuits the American women are
>wearing at the Olympics?

>I assume they are more hydrodynamic (is that a word?) -- but
>they don't seem to be doing their job since most US women are
>not swimming as expected (too much pre-games hype??) and
>they look horrible (the suits I mean).

	All US swimmers were issued these suits including the men.
My thoughts are that since no one set any incredible times with them,
they started going back to the standard paper suits.  None of the
men have worn them since day one and more of the women have also gone
back to the paper suit.
	Everyone had a choice of whether to wear it or not and many of
the swimmers were worried about it so they decided to forget it - one
less thing to worry about.  In the days right before the Olympics the
American team rented a pool out of town and trained in secret.  One
purpose of this was to try the new suits out.  Obviously by the number
of people wearing them on the first day, they weren't too popular.
	Nelson Diebel (100m breaststroke champion) had his suit a month
ago and said he loved it.  In fact he also said, "It makes me feel like
I'm naked."  I was then surprised to see him in a normal suit in both
prelims and finals.
	I believe Speedo made the suits and this must be a big blow to them.
I'm glad they weren't a big hit though because the cost of that suit for   
men must be at least double the cost of a traditional suit.  I also agree
that they look bad but then again so did the first paper suits.

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From: redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie (Judge Raz)
Subject: National Records.
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:56:35 GMT

Would people around the world please post me their
National swimming records? I know this might require
a bit of effort but I'd really appreciate it. If there's
interest I'll post a compilation or will forward a
particular country's records upon request. All countries
are welcome, not just the so-called superpowers of swimming.
A database of national records might be quite useful since
I've seen a few postings indicating that X swam a national
record in Y event.

Thanks in advance (and do take the trouble to reply),

Judge Raz

redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie  |    ~~~    |  You got nobody now you want my soul 
Donncha Redmond        |    o-o    |  Now can't have none of that 
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