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From: seb1@leia.dr.att.com (Sharon Badian)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Minors right of access to contraceptives?
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:32:49 GMT
Reply-To: seb1@vader.att.com
Organization: Bell Labs, Denver, Co.

In article <18161@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, jwhite@oasys.dt.navy.mil (White) writes:
|> In article <92105.184716ST02400@auvm.american.edu> ST02400@auvm.american.edu (Carl Reimann) writes:
|> >I enjoyed your summary of the key arguments on both sides of the issue
|> >of making contraceptives available to teenagers. I shall brief you on
|> >a related, currently-breaking topic in Wisconsin. Some years ago, the
|> >White House decided that states should be more inventive in their poli
|> >cies regarding welfare systems, which vary from state to state. Wisconsin
|> 
|> To this controversy, I have a simple response.
|> 
|> 12 days ago, my wife and I had a baby girl.  Did I get or expect to
|> get a raise in salary, because of this?  NO!

Why should innocent children be forced to live in poverty to pay for
the mistakes of their parents? As a society it is cruel. And, as a society
that will have to pay the bills later, it's really stupid. Kids that live
in poverty don't learn and don't grow up to be as productive as they can
be. In fact, it appears most of them grow up to be quite unproductive and
so cost us lots of money later.

I don't think welfare is the answer. The more I hear about all this, the more
I believe it. You can't hand someone an extra $100 a month and say "Hey,
turn your life around. Get it together!" Yeah, sure. No training for any
job except one that pays minimum wage (which is sure to keep them in
poverty). No health insurance in many cases. No day care. These people
need support, not just a few dollars thrown at them. And real support
costs us money now. But, truthfully, do any of you see any way out of
this state of affairs? Millions of American children with absolutely
no future. Doesn't that worry you a bit? It's easy to sit in our relatively
high paid jobs, most of us having the benefit of "normal" childhoods
and say this kind of thing that Wisconsin is trialing is going to do some
good. But, these children are not growing up normal. They are growing
up in poverty. I for one, from a middle class background, cannot even
conceive of the pain and suffering that these children suffer just because
they were born poor. And, I wouldn't want to be the one to increase
their suffering, that's for sure.

-- 
Sharon Badian
seb1@druhi.att.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: How long are kids' memories?
Keywords: not a flame, no agenda, no moral high ground, not crossposted
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 00:37:47 GMT

I don't have anything quite as dramatic, but I've found several times that
I'll read a book to Mitchell maybe twice and then we won't look at it in
a couple of months.  When I bring it out he knows all the keywords (reading
keywords is a game we play.  I read and pause on keywords and he tells them
to me - quite fun for books like Pierre).

For example, we did One was Johnny (by Maurice Sendak) two or three times
and that was it for a couple of months.  Then when we got it out he said,
I'll read it and he got almost all of it, including the tiger selling
old clothes and the bird who flew to Bermuda (though it sounded more like
Burhmda).

Needless to say, I was impressed.  The question is, though, if they can
remember that stuff, why can't they remember to put their underwear in
the dirty clothes hamper ;-)


-- 
"This is just a test.  Had this been a real life, you would have been given
further instructions on where to go and what to do."
							Judy Leedom Tyrer
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu Ayala)
Subject: Re: musically inclined?
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 12:20:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.193948.23155@samba.oit.unc.edu> Tammy.Vandenboom@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Tammy Vandenboom) writes:
>
>My one year old cannot resist dancing to any and every bit of music she hears.
>She seems to be able to have enough "rythm" to dance slow to slow music and 
>fast to the beat of faster music (which she prefers by the way). Is this typical
>for a one year old child or do I have a budding musician/dancer?
>ne
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  Mine too!  Maybe they can be dancing partners!  My son goes around
  tapping the floor to all kinds of music, nodding his head up and
  down to the beat or swing his arms and twirling in circles.
  He likes jazzy music, and Spanish music (what his grandparents
  play), but he'll swing slowly to slower music also.
  He also goes around with a pot and spoon as a drum while dancing
  around tapping his feet.

  I don't know if it is typical or if he is a budding anything.
  I just know he's having a lot of fun.  Just providing another
  data-point for you.

  Have fun,
  Clare
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From: ishizaki@hplred.HP.COM (Audrey Ishizaki)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:13:00 GMT
Subject: Re: Seeking natural fiber maternity clothes
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

marilyn,

depending on your current size, I found what worked best for me (I was
on the small side -didn't "show" excessively) was to wear men's clothes
in a size that would cover my stomach.  Normally, I'm a women's size
Small (size 8- but I haven't been normal for a while!).  I bought Men's
size Large polo shirts and T-shirts in nice colors/patterns and couple
of pairs of men's baggy shorts (with a gentle elastic waist) in Medium.
The shirts and shorts were all cotton. That, with a pair of maternity
jeans (the kind with the elastic panel in the front), was practically
all I wore during my last trimester.  During the middle trimester (and
the beginning of the last), I could wear loose shirts (both button and
T-style) the next women's size up.  Also, baggy, deep V-neck sweatshirt
(that I still wear, because it's easy to nurse in)

One good thing about this wardrobe, is that it *hid* my pregnancy.
For some reason, I looked *really* pregnant when I wore "maternity"
clothes (must be the pleats).  With the clothes I ended up wearing,
some folks (casual acquaintances) didn't even realize I was pregnant
(she's just getting fat, I guess!).

Also, these casual clothes fit (but didn't scream maternity-wear) *after*
I gave birth, but before I lost weight (still haven't lost much weight
:-().  Additionally, the size Men's L polo shirts fit my husband, too.

good luck!

Audrey Ishizaki
From: nto1249@dsacg3.dsac.dla.mil (Suzanne C Fairley)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: 2 YO Stuttering
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:09:19 GMT
Organization: Defense Logistics Agency Systems Automation Center, Columbus

My little boy, who turned 2 in Feb., has suddenly started to stutter.

He talked early and has a large vocabulary.  Nothing has changed in his
environment - that I can tell.  He attends a day care and adores his
teachers, and is generally a very happy child.  I have been told to be 
patient with him and to ignore the stuttering, that his brain is going 
faster than his mouth and that he will grow out of it.  This is difficult 
because I can see he is getting frustrated.

My questions:  Will he grow out of it?  I do ignore it, but is there
anything I can do to help him?

BTW, to my knowledge, he has never had contact with anyone who stutters
or has any serious speech impediment. (i.e., to pick it up from somewhere).

Thanks in advance,


Suzie
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: watson@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (laura.k.watson)
Subject: Re: Names wanted for my baby
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:04:03 GMT
Summary: BIG PRIZE!! BIG PRIZE!!

In article <1992Apr9.001437.2594@athena.mit.edu> hkon@athena.mit.edu (Henry Kon) writes:
>List your favorites.  No Annes, Johns please. 
>The grand prize winner will receive a picture of the wrinkled child 
>shortly after the birth.

I want help with naming too, and I am offering a much better prize!
Much, much better.  (Described at the end.)  Let's see now.  Here's 
the scenario:  

My husband's last name is Zolayvar and the baby will have his 
last name.  We only need a first name, since the middle name is going 
to be Watson.  Oh, and it's for a boy.  We want something distinctive, 
but not totally outrageous.  

I was thinking that a name with a Z somewhere in it might sound 
good with Zolayvar.  (If it were a girl we would name it Elizabeth
and then call her "Liz").  Or maybe something with a V or a X.  Or 
possibly something with a little bit of a Spanish flavor to it that 
translates well to English.  (I liked some of the Irish names posted 
before but I didn't think they sounded right with Zolayvar.)  Something 
with 3 syllables might be kind of balanced, since Zolayvar has 3 
syllables.  

Alternatively, there is something of a tradition in his family 
of making up names for the children out of pieces and parts of the 
parents' names.  For instance, he has a sister named Nelda and her 
husband's name is Arthur.  They gave one of their sons the name Arnel, 
the 'ar' from Arthur and the 'nel' from Nelda.  We couldn't come up 
with a similar combination from our own first names (Ruperto and 
Laura) that works, though, so we were thinking about maybe combining 
some pieces of my parents' names (Otto and Mary) since I think my dad 
secretly wishes the baby would be named after him.  In fact, we've even 
thought of using Omar which is a combination of their two names, but 
people I've mentioned it to don't seem to really like it ("sounds 
arab" they say. ":-(" they look. ), and so I don't think I really like 
it that much.

Okay, send me all those great wonderful ideas now, you creative folk.
I'm getting SOOOO tired of trying to think of just the right name.

Laura Watson

Oh yes, the prize, the prize.  Winner will get my whole entire collection
of baby name books!  (Yea, I guess I'll throw in an autographed picture 
of the unique and beautiful rug rat too!)  
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: Working full-time out of choice
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:41:39 GMT

Someone asked for input from a stay-at-home Dad.  I've tried to get Ron to
respond, but he doesn't want to argue with people he doesn't know.  "It's
bad enough arguing with people at my own church."  However, I have a very
good memory, so I'm going to tell you what he said when I was trying to
get him to type this stuff in.

First was regarding fulfillment while staying at home.  He said,
"Of course I find it fulfilling.  But that doesn't mean it's fulfilling
every minute of the day.  It's work.  Sometimes it is tedious and boring,
but that's true of any job.  The lost message of the feminist movement is 
that home making is work.  The reason it is the lost message is there are
no longer any homemakers, male OR female!  Instead of giving the home maker
job the respect it deserved, we ended up having everyone abandon it and it
is now delegated to the poorest paid members of society."

Regarding the argument that day-care teaches children independence, 
he recommends the film Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. 

Father:	I taught you self reliance.
Son:	You taught me people who had been dead for 5,000 years were more
	important than me.


So, from my husband's stay at home position, he wishes there were more
people of both sexes staying home and providing for their kids.  I will
pass on any comments you might have.  But he really isn't interested in
getting involved with the net (I tried!).
-- 
"This is just a test.  Had this been a real life, you would have been given
further instructions on where to go and what to do."
							Judy Leedom Tyrer
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: At what age is day care appropriate?
From: brighid@hern.stonemarche.org
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:28:06 EDT
Organization: Hern the Hunter, Stonemarche (NH)

In article <167C3723E.EKOCK@cmsa.gmr.com>, EKOCK@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
> 
> I really resent the attitude that the fact that I work is somehow
> a self-indulgent luxery.  It's simply what I do.  I find this
> attitude sexist to the extreme.  Sure, if I were a millionaire
> I might not work but that decision would have nothing to do
> with whether or not I had children.  

---------

I'm trying to decide whether or not to have a child. Daycare or not
will not be an issue - if I don't work, I won't have a house. That
simple. No question.

Brighid

brighid@hern.stonemarche.org
From: dans@heimat.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Golden books "chain letter"???
Date: 9 Apr 92 02:01:57 GMT
Reply-To: dans@heimat.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Organization: Sneakers Computing

In article <4310121@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> bparrish@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (William Parrish) writes:
>Recently, my 5-year-old got a "chain letter" from a friend
>which is designed to (1) go to 6 friends, (2) is two levels
>deep (i.e. you get 36 replies), and you are supposed to send
>back an 88 cent golden book to the name at the top of the
>list.  It claims to be part of the "U.S. Literacy Campaign".
>
>Has anyone else seen this?  I thought asking for things of
>value in a chain letter was illegal, but maybe that's an
>u.l. (???)

  We received a similar letter awhile back. Being the type who is
  personally offended by chain letters this one was not received
  any better. The most interesting thing in this one is that it
  asked if you did not want to get involved that you should return
  the letter vs throwing it out. So that is exaclty what we did.

  Legal? He!! I dont think any chaion letter is legal but a call to
  your local post office and ask them.

>Is it really part of something called the "U.S. Literacy
>Campaign"?  

  Ours also mentioned something about this. I think it claimed to
  be legal and have the approval of the postal service. Did yours?

  -Dan

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Newsgroups: va.general,misc.kids
From: ausnit@software.org (Christine Ausnit)
Subject: Child care slots available
Organization: Software Productivity Consortium, Herndon, Virginia
Distribution: va
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:44:09 GMT

I am posting the following for a friend.  Please direct all
questions, inquiries, etc. to 

    Barbara Ueberroth
    McLean, VA 22101
    (703) 533-3383

Barbara has a child care business and has several open slots
at the moment.  She has operated the business from 1985 to
1989, then closed the business to help her husband in his
architectural practice.  She has since reopened the child
care business.  

Barbara has 2 children: a 12 year old daughter and an 8 year
old son.  She has many years experience in working with
children--teaching horse back riding, substitute teaching,
Sunday school teaching.

Barbara's child care philosophy is to provide a nourishing
and enriching environment.  She provides both structured and
unstructured play time, following an established routine
each day.  Stories, music, and singing are key features
during the day, as is outdoor play time (weather permitting).

Barbara's hours are 8 to 5:30, Monday through Friday, except
for federal holidays.  She also gets 5 paid personal/sick
days.  Her vacation is unpaid and is scheduled as two weeks
in August and two weeks at Christmas.  Her fee is $150/week.
Barbara provides breakfast, lunch, and two snacks a day.

Barbara likes to interview with both parents to ensure there is
good communication and trust between parents and child care
provider.  Barbara provides a written description of the
child's day to the parent (mood, naps, meals, games played,
comments, etc.)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rha@ralph.lafayette.la.us (Ruth Alleman)
Subject: Re: Little Rabbit Foo-Foo: words wanted
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 01:18:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Home Sweet Home, Lafayette, LA
Keywords: song

In article <11047@autodesk.COM> dwightg@Autodesk.COM (Dwight Gleason) writes:
>In article <1992Apr4.052320.8902@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> smorine@isis.cs.du.edu (Suzanne Morine) writes:
>>Does anyone know the words to Little Rabbit Foo-Foo?

>   Little Rabbit Fru-Fru
>   Running throught the forest,
>   Scoopin` up the field mice,
>   And bangin` `em on the head!
   
>   Down came the good fairy, and she said:
   
>   Little Rabbit Fru-Fru, I don't want to see you,
>   Running throught the forest,
>   Scoopin` up the field mice,
>   And bangin` `em on the head!
>   
>   Now I'll give you two more chances,
>   And if you,
>   Don't obey me,
>   I'll turn you,
>   Into a goon!           (The word good is stretched out.  (Sustained?))
   
My version is close to all of yours but...

Little Rabbit Foo-Foo
hopping through the forest
picking up the field mice
and bopping them on the head.

DOWN CAME THE BIG, FAT, FAIRY, and she said:
	     [^^^^ The above said in very deep voice and making fat
			gestures.]

[so on and so forth]

But the fairy says:
I'll give you 3 chances
and then I'll turn you into a goon.

My childhood must have been truely wierd if my fairy is big and fat
and everyone else's was good.

I just started teaching my 3yo the song.  So far she just does the
hand motions but it's still fun.

This all brought back memories of Girl Scouts when our Brownie troop
won a talent competition manny moons ago.  Ah youth!

Ruth Alleman.
From: millerj@belize.crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Car seats and childproofing the house
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:50:36 GMT
Reply-To: millerj@belize.crd.ge.com ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: GE Corporate Research & Development


	I'm looking for advice on buying a car seat.  I will probably
be dropping off the baby and my husband pick him up, so I was
wondering about the seats with detachable bases and how safe
they are.  I.e. could they come apart?  I have a Consumer Reports
book on car seats that prefers the 5-point harness over the 3-point
but it doesn't have all the models.  Also, what features are
necessary and what are just fluff?
	I'm also wondering at what age do you have to do what childproofing?
I've got 8 weeks til my due date (YEAH!) so I have some time to plan.
It seems to me that all the babies I see develop at different ages,
so I'm looking for suggestions like before they can reach out and grab
stuff you should do "x" and that is usually around month "y", before
they can crawl you should do "z", etc.
	I can't ftp, which is a hassle, so if there is a collection of
responses to this which I assume there is I'd appreciate a mailing
or a summary. 

Thanks

Julia Miller
From: ncramer@bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Need gate advice
Date: 8 Apr 1992 13:22:26 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Distribution: na
Reply-To: ncramer@labs-n.bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com
Keywords: gate


Concerning baby gates:

We found a *great* one (well, two actually) at Somerville Lumber (which, of
course, means nothing if you're from outside New England).  Unfortunately,
we've had it for +3yrs, so I don't remember the brand name or anything.

I'm going to steal Pat's picture to give you some idea what it looks like.

  |                                        |
  |XI  ________________________________ XXX|
  |XI  )------------------------------+---X|
  |XI  |/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\| o|X|
W |XI}{|\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/|  |X| W
A |XI  |/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\|  |X| A
L |XI  |\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/|  |X| L
L |XI  |/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\|  |X| L
  |XI  |\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/|  |X|
  |XI  |/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\|  |X|
  |XI  |\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/|  |X|
  |XI}{|/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\|  |X|
  |XI  |\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/| /XX|
  |XI  )______________________________|/XXX|    (Pieces not to scale)
  |XI  -------------------------------/ XXX|
  |XI___________________________________XXX|

Basically, it's a hinged gate.  Two permanent attachments are made to the
adjoining walls, but the itself gate is removable.

On the left, the "X" part is attached to the wall.  In cross-section it
looks like this:

      |XXXXXX
      |X****X
(Wall)|X******** ....
      |X********
      |X****X
      |XXXXXX

Where the "X" is the part attached to the wall and the "*" is the part of
the gate to which the hinge is attached.  The gate part can be lifted out
and moved to be used in another doorway that has its own the "permanent"
pieces in place.  (The "permanent" part is attached to the wall with 2 [3?]
screws and was very simple to attach.)

On the right side is the "latching" mechanism.  This is a little hard to
draw, but in cross-section this looks like:

         ------------  |
     *********  XXXXXXX|
 ... *********  XXXXXXX| (Wall)
     *********  XXXXXXX|
         ------------  |

Where the "*" is the gate and the "X" is a strip that is attached to the
wall.  The "-" part is one piece that slides up and to the left (i.e.
towards the center of the gate) and so swings free of the part attached to
the wall.  (NOTE the "o" in the main diagram is a "bullet-latch" to keep
the moving part in place.)

This is almost impossible to describe and/or to draw, but is really very
simple in real life.

We have two which we use at the top of stairs.  They're pretty heavy duty
and have lasted us through two kids with no mishaps so far.

Nichael