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From: emmel@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu (Grant Emmel)
Subject: Re: The text (part 1)
Summary: Please repost 'The text (part 1)
Keywords: text, part, alien
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, University of Wisconsin
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 03:34:29 GMT

Like the summary says, please repost 'The text (part 1)' if
it exists (I couldn't find it?)

Thanks ahead of time.

Grant Emmel
emmel@psl.wisc.edu
Physical Sciences Lab: expanding the edge of science.

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: Who is Rodenberry?
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 04:48:10 GMT

Lance Franklin (ltf@ncmicro.lonestar.org) wrote:
: In article <1992Sep8.115730.13003@mr.med.ge.com> hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) writes:
: }Rod Beckwith (rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com) wrote:
: }: Andre,[you write]
: }: 
: }: >Who is Rodenberry?
: }: 
: }: 
: }: Who created Star Trek?
: }: 
: }: Rod
: }: 
: }Star Trek?
: 
: What is the Science Fiction show Gene Roddenberry created?
: Ok, now I'll take Ancient Greek Architecture for $200.
: 
: Lance "Jeopardy" Franklin

Science FICTION?  Damn, I thought it was a documentary.

--

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Newsgroups: alt.california
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From: CSMSETS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (CSMSETS)
Subject: Re: Snow covered mountains from a hot beach
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:20:37 PDT

In article <1992Sep11.190901.9416@access.digex.com>, on 11 Sep 92 19:09:01 GMT,
burgoyne@access.digex.com (J. Robert Burgoyne) writes:

>
>In February of this year I flew out to LA on a Saturday morning.
>Leaving Dulles airport, it was damp and about 35 degrees F.
> ....Stuff Deleted...
>And believe it or not, there was virtually no pollution that day. My
>wife pointed to the northeast, and said: "Those mountains have snow on
>them!" Indeed they did, and the air was clear enough to see them.
>
>Where else in the world can you sit on a hot beach in February and look
>up at snow covered mountains?

This is one of the reasons I'll never move far from L.A. When I was in
high school they used to have surf and ski competitions where you would
show up at Big Bear at around 6 am and ski a slalom course, get a time
then drive to Huntington beach where after lunch there would be a
surfing competition that would end in a Bar-B-Q.

Lately, when My borther and I go skiing (midweek) we would ski in the
morning till we got bored then go windsurfing in San Pedro in the
afternoon when the wind came up. Yes folks, L.A. does have it all...
the good, the bad, and the ugly. You just have to enjoy the good as
much as you can while not becoming the bad or the ugly.
      --Ed
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From: polack@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (Devra Polack)
Subject: Berkeley Co-op Seeks Fabulous Female Housemate!
Keywords: Room opens Oct. 1st...
Organization: International Computer Science Institute, Berkeley, CA, U.S.A.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:36:07 GMT

*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
We're a mixed household on Ashby Ave., near the Claremont
Hotel, co-operatively owned and collectively run.

20 min. walk to UC campus, 20 min. walk to BART and Mills Shuttle.
Near Claremont Canyon, etc., in Elmwood district.

We're a rather diverse crowd, looking for
a creative, independent woman to join our household.  Large, roomy
house with big back yard, studio garage, garden, treehouse.

The room opens up *Oct. 1st*, and is spacious, carpeted (in a hardwood house),
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Please feel free to write me with questions, or call
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From: steiny@steiny.com (Don Steiny)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Snow covered mountains from a hot beach
Date: 12 Sep 92 16:23:43 GMT
Organization: Don Steiny Software


	I just went to Omaha, Nebraska for a week to teach a UNIX systems
calls class.    Many, many, people told me how much they envied California
weather.    It is easy enough to take things for granted.    In Omaha
they say "if you don't like the weather, wait 5 minutes."    Last March
a snowstorm was followed by a 90 degree day!  

	I much prefer having the choice. 

-don
-- 
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Don Steiny Software
Santa Cruz, CA 95060
(408) 425-0382
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From: burgoyne@access.digex.com (J. Robert Burgoyne)
Subject: Re: Don't Move to Tucson
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: na,local
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 00:31:08 GMT

Hey, I had some fun in Tucson.

I watched 3 tourists get their neckties cut off at the Pinnacle Peak.

Robert
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: the City of Smog
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 06:30:31 GMT

>....and unfortunately this is when the Rose Bowl and the Rose Parade and
>the Santa Claus Lane Parade are shown and everyone sees. I wonder how
>many people that see these in '93 will remember what they saw during
>the riots when they see all the parades next year....

LA survived riots in 1965, but the conditions were alightly different.
My sisters would watch the Rose Parade.  "I" watch the Doo-Dah Parade.
Televise that more, and that will deter more immigrants.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
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A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Journalist visiting Silicon Valley
Keywords: start-ups, Silicon Valley
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 22:06:22 GMT

In article <tbs.715887586@login.dkuug.dk> tbs@login.dkuug.dk
(Torben B. S|rensen) writes:
>I'm a Danish computer journalist planning on going to California this
>autumn before visiting great and glorious Las Vegas for the Comdex/Fall
>exhibition.

Ah, journalists: dangerous people!

1) Read Hackers by Steven Levy (recently wrote "Artificial Life").
2) Contact John Markoff of the NY Times.  He has interesting commentary
about growing up in this area.
3) A few other books exist like Fire in the Valley, but I recommend
Levy first.  Your library homework will help here.

>I'd like to get in touch with interesting/fun/different companies
>in the Silicon Valley (or elsewhere, as long as it isn't too far from
>Los Angeles or Las Vegas).

Naw, Los Angeles and LV are too far from the Valley.  We are all a bunch
of nerds up here.  Being away from LA helped (Levy wrote about this).
The only bastion of Nerdism down there is Caltech.  Well, maybe Hughes,
well, maybe the Salk Institute, etc.

>I'm looking for companies or people doing research in stuff that we in
>Europe haven't heard about yet. I'd also like to run into the "typical
>garage start-up" (the next Apple Computer, but less will do!)

Well this is one advantage the Valley has over Europe.  You really need
to contact companies in question.  You might also think about going to Japan.

>My goal is not to find "hot news", but to give my readers a feeling of
>the atmosphere and the people in the Silicon Valley.
>If you know or know someone who might know a company or person like
>that - please let me know. Who knows - we might meet in November!

I could say more, but read and contact Markoff first.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Acting Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: johne@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (John Eaton)
Subject: Re: California Exodus
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 23:35:35 GMT

Paul Dineen (pld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM) wrote:
:  A newspaper item from a month or two ago reported that a $1400 U-HAUL 
:  rental from the Bay Area to Denver goes for about $200 back to 
:  California.  (My most recent address was Santa Clara.)
--------------
Thats only a 7X multiplier. Porland Or. has a 12X multiplier. If you are
going to move from LA to Portland it is cheaper to fly to Portland, rent
the truck there and drive it to LA and back.

John Eaton
!hp-vcd!johne
From: tbs@login.dkuug.dk (Torben B. S|rensen)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Journalist visiting Silicon Valley
Keywords: start-ups, Silicon Valley
Date: 7 Sep 92 17:39:46 GMT


I'm a Danish computer journalist planning on going to California this
autumn before visiting great and glorious Las Vegas for the Comdex/Fall
exhibition.
I'd like to get in touch with interesting/fun/different companies
in the Silicon Valley (or elsewhere, as long as it isn't too far from
Los Angeles or Las Vegas).
I'm looking for companies or people doing research in stuff that we in
Europe haven't heard about yet. I'd also like to run into the "typical
garage start-up" (the next Apple Computer, but less will do!)
My goal is not to find "hot news", but to give my readers a feeling of
the atmosphere and the people in the Silicon Valley.
If you know or know someone who might know a company or person like
that - please let me know. Who knows - we might meet in November!

Torben

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journalist                      "A catchy slogan should appear here"
Computerworld Denmark
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Newsgroups: alt.california,ca.general,la.general
From: CSMSETS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (CSMSETS)
Subject: Re: Which is the City of Worst Smog and Pollution?
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:51:59 PDT

In article <MAS.92Sep9130410@mipl8.jpl.nasa.gov>, on 9 Sep 1992 20:04:10 GMT,
mas@mipl8.jpl.nasa.gov (Marc Sarrel) writes:

>
>In article <6ysn_4f.foucault@netcom.com> foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye) writes:
>
>   This is true; the AQMD says our air is the best since 1964. Emissions
>   are less than half of what they were in 1969. We have had the fewest
>   first stage alerts since 1971.
>
>   Sorry if I seem like a pie-eyed optimist or a land promoter. But
>   I love LA.
>
>No problem, I agree.  But, have the standards for first stage alerts
>remained constant?  Or, have we had "standards inflation"?  I remember
>(may be urban legend, though) that at one time, to improve its on-time
>rating, Amtrak lengthened the amount of time a train could be late
>before being counted as "late".

No they haven't, in fact you will now get a first stage smog alert at
40% of the old first stage smog-alert levels (they changed the standard
around '79-80 - if you lived here then you'll remember the marked
increase in the number of 1st and 2nd stage alerts). Also they aren't
called 1st, 2nd, and 3rd stage smog alerts anymore. Its called good,
poor, unhealthfull, and hazardest (I think). If you look up the old
definitions in parts per million I think and old 1st stage is somewhere
between a unhealthful and hazardest rating.
       --Ed
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: dsew@well.sf.ca.us (David R. Sewell)
Subject: Re: Disneyland and Eco/History (Was: Don't Move to Tucson)
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: na,local
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 05:17:19 GMT

In <1992Sep8.224155.22428@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:

>Yeah it's kind of a state of mind, but you
>can shovel snow if you have a house up at 6,000 ft.  I look at the Valley
>where Sierra OLS sits: the best example of a distributed cottage company.
>You'd never guess a "high-tech" company existed there.  Most people driving
>thru Yosemite from LA would never think of it either.

Sierra On-Line is one of the most utopian companies I can think of
(despite Levy's portraying it as fallen-into-capitalist-evil in
Hackers); it reminds me of Le Guin's vision of hi-tech in Always Coming
Home, where the computer network is kind of hidden away in little redwood
buildings & fits into the biome perfectly.  I guess my fear about
Hollywood-as-virtual-reality is that people tend to forget there was a
real reality there before Hollywood.  As long as the two can coexist I
have no problem.
Newsgroups: alt.california,ca.general,la.general
From: brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder)
Subject: Re: Which is the City of Worst Smog and Pollution?
Organization: Quake Public Access
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 05:30:33 GMT

In article <19920910165855CSMSETS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> CSMSETS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (CSMSETS) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.222811.274@unocal.com>, on 10 Sep 1992 22:28:11 GMT,
>stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:

>>One of the secrets of LA are the 4 to 6 months when it is clear and you can
>>see the mountains.  Then there is the month or so around New Years when the
>>mountains are rimmed with snow and the sky is crystal clear.  You feel like
>>your are in the Rockies or Sierras.  Almost, but not quite makes up for the
>>smoggy summers.

>....and unfortunately this is when the Rose Bowl and the Rose Parade and
>the Santa Claus Lane Parade are shown and everyone sees. 

Hold on, what makes it so "unfortunate" that people see the city at it's best?
Or are you just afraid that people won't go along with eco-myths about the
bad air in LA if they can see the actual evidence?

--Brian
From: sam@terapin.com (Sam Lewit)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: California Exodus
Date: 5 Sep 92 14:17:41 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <Bu2GrB.9pM@wrs.com>, gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven) writes:

>>"Sacramento, CA - More Americans are leaving California than
>>arriving for the first time in nearly 20 years, according to figures
>>released this week by the state Finance Department."
>
>Good!  I'm just going to wait it out...why bother moving to a less
>crowded place, when I can just wait for the Bay Area to empty out?

The problem with that theory, I think, is that all the decent, honest, hard
working people are leaving. The junkies, derelicts and welfare recipients will
not be able to relocate.

Sam Lewit                 | sam@terapin.com
2550 Shattuck #73         | "We shouldn't be blindly opposed to all progress.
Berkeley, Ca. 94704       | But we should be opposed to blind progress"
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From: burgoyne@access.digex.com (J. Robert Burgoyne)
Subject: Snow covered mountains from a hot beach
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:09:01 GMT

In February of this year I flew out to LA on a Saturday morning.
Leaving Dulles airport, it was damp and about 35 degrees F.

LA was hot, apparently unusually hot. The temp when we landed was 85 F.

So we took off for Venice Beach. After fighting our way through massive 
Saturday afternoon traffic, we got the chance to pay our $5 to park.

There were folks everywhere, and it was such an unbelievably beautiful
day after what we had just come from.

And believe it or not, there was virtually no pollution that day. My
wife pointed to the northeast, and said: "Those mountains have snow on
them!" Indeed they did, and the air was clear enough to see them.

Where else in the world can you sit on a hot beach in February and look
up at snow covered mountains?

I realize this probably doesn't happen often, but it was great at the time.

Robert Burgoyne
(Enjoying a rare dry day in Maryland)

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From: fletcher@remus.rutgers.edu (Sean A Fletcher)
Newsgroups: alt.california,bit.listserv.travel-l,rec.travel
Subject: Moving to California
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:04:16 GMT
Followup-To: alt.california
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

A friend and I are moving from the New Brunswick, New Jersey area to 
Los Angeles, California.  We are interrested in renting a UHaul.  Dis-
covering, however, how expensive UHauls can cost, we thought it would
be in our best interest to try and find someone who would be willing 
offer us some money in return for partial services of our UHaul and
our driving.

Should anyone find that our interests coincide with their own in any
way shape or form, please contact me as soon as possible so that we
can discuss possible options.

My email addresses are as follows:

	fletcher@remus.rutgers.edu
	fletcher@gandalf.rutgers.edu
	fletcher@zodiac.rutgers.edu

'Nuff said!
sean
From: whitney@isi.edu (Richard Whitney)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Snow covered mountains from a hot beach
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:30:10 GMT
Reply-To: whitney@berio.isi.edu (Richard Whitney)
Organization: USC-Information Sciences Institute

In article <1992Sep15.121430.23041@klaava.Helsinki.FI> klemets@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Tim S Klemets) writes:
>In article <19920911151942CSMSETS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> CSMSETS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (CSMSETS) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep11.190901.9416@access.digex.com>, on 11 Sep 92
19:09:01 GMT, 
  <stuff deleted>
>>burgoyne@access.digex.com (J. Robert Burgoyne) writes:
> <stuff deleted>
>>>Where else in the world can you sit on a hot beach in February and look
>>>up at snow covered mountains?
>
>Sounds nice, but what's the point with a hot beach, if the water is too
>cold to swim in?  
> * tim.klemets@hut.fi       %  finger: @kaira.hut.fi                       *
> * tim.klemets@helsinki.fi  %          @kruuna.helsinki.fi                 *

What's this? A Finn complaining about temperatures too cold?  At least
we don't have to break the ice to get in a winter swim.  Actually, I
used to swim year 'round in Santa Monica Bay between Venice & Santa
Monica.  No wet suit, but I did wear a bathing cap, which my hard-core
friends would view with disdain.  Used to, 'til I swam into an oil
slick.  That's the true problem:  now you have to call the lifeguards
and ask if the ocean is open or closed.  Part of the reason I'm
building a house in Malibu:  the water is still alive and even more
cold.

And my ski/swim experince took place on a day in May when we had
plenty of snow (the great wet winter of '83):  Took the Palm Springs
tram up San Jacinto and skiied to the summit.  Back home in time to
take a swim.  Not cold at all.  Unless maybe you're a Finn ;)

Cheers,
Richard
From: richg@hatch.socal.com (Rich Greenberg)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Berkeley Co-op Seeks Fabulous Female Housemate!
Keywords: Room opens Oct. 1st...
Date: 12 Sep 92 22:29:00 GMT
Organization: Hatch Usenet and E-mail.  Playa del Rey, CA

In article <1992Sep11.173315.19570@ultra.com> wayne@ultra.com (Wayne Hathaway) writes:
>I realize this isn't a .politics group, but I can't let this go by ...
>
> > We're a rather diverse crowd, looking for a creative, independent
> > woman to join our household.                ^^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Note the highlighted words.  The ad then goes on to say ...
>
> > Sorry, no meat, smokers, t.v.
>
>I just love the P.C. definition of "creative" and "independent"!
>Good old Berkeley!  :-)

I think you are reading too much into the original post.
They want a creative and independant woman.  Not an
unreasonable request.  Then they are saying that this woman
also shouldn't smoke or eat meat or expect to watch tv
IN THE HOUSE.  Again, a reasonable request.

What's your problem with this?  I don't see any.

-- 
                
Rich Greenberg - N6LRT - 310-649-0238 - richg@hatch.socal.com
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From: fletcher@remus.rutgers.edu (Sean A Fletcher)
Newsgroups: alt.california,bit.listserv.travel-l,rec.travel
Subject: Moving to California
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:17:09 GMT
Followup-To: alt.california
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


A friend and I are planning to move to Los Angeles, California (more
specifically La Habra Heights, California) from the New Brunswick,
New Jersey area on or about September 18, 1992.  Due to the outlandish
expense of flying or taking a train, we thought it would be safer to
pursue other options.  One such option  that I hear about frequently
is the off chance that someone else's moving plans coincide with ours,
yet that person (or persons) would rather not drive, and would like
to hire someone to take their car.

Should anyone reading this message, that can get through my spelling
errors and bad grammer, find themselves wishing someone would drive 
their car to California in the next week or so, please contact me.  I
have a New Jersey liscense and a flawless driving record for five
years and counting.

My e-mail addresses are as follows:

	fletcher@gandalf.rutgers.edu
	fletcher@remus.rutgers.edu
	fletcher@zodiac.rutgers.edu

'Nuff said!
sean
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From: CSMSETS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (CSMSETS)
Newsgroups: alt.california,ca.general,la.general
Subject: Re: Which is the City of Worst Smog and Pollution?
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:29:05 GMT

In article <BuJzAz.7Ap@quake.sylmar.ca.us>, on 14 Sep 1992 05:30:33 GMT,
brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder) writes:

>Hold on, what makes it so "unfortunate" that people see the city at it's best?
>Or are you just afraid that people won't go along with eco-myths about the
>bad air in LA if they can see the actual evidence?
>
>--Brian 
>

Its not I don't like people to see L.A. at its best, it's just that
this perpetuates the myth that everything in California is always
wonderful. I'm not saying that I'd rather live anywhere else (I
wouldn't) but I also hate to see people (young and old alike)
come to California expecting this wonderful place where all of their
dreams will come true just to end up in a crappy apartment somewhere
with no job, no friends, and no hope (believe me I've met alot of
people that move to L.A. from the Midwest and East Coast without
ever checking out the L.A. area. They just pick-up and move thinking
L.A. is like some small town and everywhere looks like Pasadena during
the Rose Parade...) Sorry about the dose of reality folks,
      --Ed
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