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From: patrick@psych.toronto.edu (Patrick Keelan)
Subject: Re: Upcoming Divorces
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:32:27 GMT

In article <92323.151656MCR114@psuvm.psu.edu> Mike Rapach <MCR114@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I've just been reading much that has been written about the Quinn incident.  I
>can understand everyone's interest in this event, but I'm afraid that it has be
>en taken a little far now.  The question about upcoming divorces is too much.
>These men are people, regardless of what they have done or not done.  That's to
> be decided by the court system.  The police have said that Quinn is the only o
>ne facing charges, and speculating on what other things may have happened is li
>ke trying to be tabloids.  These people deserve not to be convicted when no cha
>rges have been brought against them.  As Lori said, the truth proabily will nev
>er be known, but we can only go on the facts we have.  I don't want anyone to n
>ot discuss this, but please do so in good taste and with the facts, not baseles
>s speculation.  I'm off the soapbox now.
You are indicating that the only non-speculative element of this
incident is that Quinn was the only one who was charged.  From my
understanding of the incident, that is not the case.  From what I've
read, certain individuals (we all know who) were with certain other
individuals at the scene.  That is not speculation.  The speculating
comes in where people on this group give their opinions as to the
likely unfavourable consequences for the romantic relationships of
the individuals concerned.  I don't see this as inappropriate for
this newsgroup.  What do others think?
-Pat K.
 U. of Toronto
From: picasso@bass.bu.edu (David Ondzes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Question: how is the schedule made ?
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:41:06 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.hockey
Organization: Wizard on Oz


How is the NHL schedule made ? Is it like the NFL where
there is an exact formula.

The Bruins play the Penguins 5 TIMES this year, the
most for any team not Patrick.

David
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From: bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down)
Subject: Re: Pens-0 Red Wings-8/Random thoughts
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:42:20 GMT

nagy@pl1.cs.psu.edu (Gregory Nagy) writes:

>Hey... Everybody has off nights and is unable to "Perform" all the time. I'm
>sure you know a LOT about this....

:-) :-)

Greg, what's disturbing about this post is that, by going for the
crotch like you so readily have, you are making a sometimes poster
to this group (GaRy NeWeLl), look like a genius. I've alway dismissed
GaRy'S rants, but you are forcing me to give some credence to
his ideas.

What's next?? Are you going to call me a "homo"??? 

>was that all you could come up with???

Ahhhh, yeah, Greg.

That's all I could come up with. Sheesh.

>Greg Nagy   nagy@cs.psu.edu   nagy@love-shack.com   GGN100@psuvm.psu.edu

Brian Down (bdown@vis.toronto.edu)
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From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy)
Subject: Re: Don Cherry Coach's Corner - Nov. 21, 1992
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:10:41 GMT

allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) writes:

>Don also attacked Gil Stein over the clamp-down on fighting... Don
>pointed to a newspaper article which headlined "Attendance down at
>NHL games... Stein happy with reduction in fighting". (Don was
>calling him EIN-Stein, quite sarcastically.) He went on to criticise
>people who were making excuses for the low attendance... "Its because
>the economy is in a recession... Well, they were in a recession
>last year too...." [Note: Don had previously criticized Stein
>in other CC episodes, most notably for his idea of sending NHL
>players to the Olympics.]

>Don was also quite critical about the NHL's scheduling of a neutral
>site game featuring Buffalo playing at Hamilton. The game got
>a very low attendance, and much of the problem was due to
>the fact that the Leafs had played a game there the previous
>night, and also because Hamilton HATES Buffalo. (After all,
>it was likely because of Buffalo that Hamilton didn't get
>an NHL francise during the last expansion.)

Of course, Ein-Stein's critic didn't see the correlation between
lower attendance and the neutral site (attendance) debacles.

BRI FARENELL
FARENEBT@CRAFT.CAMP.CLARKSON.EDU
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From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Subject: Kevin Stevens (was : Missing Players)
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:02:49 GMT

In article <Bxy9oD.Hr8@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umschlam@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Kelly W. Schlamb) writes:
>     Can anyone tell me how Kevin Stevens is doing, and when is he
>   expected back?  Also, how about Pivonka?

Stevens is doing great.  He is already skating and working out with the team.
It was first thought that he would miss 3-4 weeks (due to arthroscopic 
surgery)but now it looks like he may be back as soon as next week.

Lori
Contact for the Penguins
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From: vstem@cobra.calgary.chevron.com (D. Stewart McLeod)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: BEST FIGHTER??????
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:57:41 GMT
Organization: chevron

In article <By5o6x.4Ju@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, uskirshn@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Steven Kirshner) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov9.012204.19745@pool.info.sunyit.edu> urjm5@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Richard Macturk) writes:
|> >In article <1992Nov3.144444.4344@shearson.com> bprisco@shearson.com writes:
|> >>

|> excuse me all of you - but let's not forget STU GRIMSON; if anyone

	Stu (make my face bleed) Grimson -- was severely beaten by Dave
Brown when Stu played for the Flames and Brown for the Oilers. Stu was
brought up for the big game vs. the Oilers and Brown broke Stu's jaw.

Stu was soon traded.

-- 
D. Stew McLeod                             Internet: vstem@calgary.chevron.com
CPTC					          Tel: (403) 234-5810
500, Fifth Ave. S.W.                              Fax: (403) 234-5215
Calgary, Alberta, Canada   T2P 0L7
From: Mark.Steiger@f4018.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Mark Steiger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Rape case comments
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:25:08 GMT

I've been away for awhile, but here's my .02 worth...

In the Minneapolis paper, the day after the Pens/Stars game, it said
that Mario was in the room during the alledged rape.  He left after the
game, in full gear, immediately afterwards.  Noone saw him after the
game.

From what it said here, Lemieux and co. picked up some women at a bar
called "Hooters" at Mall of America and brought them back to the hotel
and then the problems started....

Mark

(Hey Lori, I'm back after a few months of no access... :)


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From: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Penalty shot criteria?
Originator: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 08:54:03 GMT

Recently, a friend was asking me about the circumstances
under which a penalty shot is awarded.  I couldn't remember
exactly, but I gave him this guess:

The attacking player must...
1) be in full control of the puck
2) have a clear path to the opposing goal (no defenders in front of him)
3) be beyond the attacking blue line (?)
4) be taken down from behind 
5) have a "reasonable" chance of scoring

I know the above list is probably not accurate.  I checked the
hockey FAQ file, but didn't find this.  Can someone help me out
and refresh my memory?  Thanks. 

Jim
-- 
Jim Jungbauer                 |  Go Vikings, North Stars, Cougars!
jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu    | 
EECS Department               |  "Nice move by Bellows... big drive... SCORES!"
Washington State University   |     -- Mike Emrick, 1991 Norris Division Finals
From: bks2@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (bryan.k.strouse)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: NHL HOCKEY RESULTS FOR 11-15-92
Keywords: sunday night's scores
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:43:09 GMT
Organization: AT&T



NHL HOCKEY RESULTS FOR 11/15/92.

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                                  STANDINGS
      PATRICK              ADAMS              NORRIS              SMYTHE
 TM    W  L  T  PT   TM    W  L  T  PT   TM    W  L  T  PT   TM    W  L  T  PT
 
 PIT  12  4  3  27   MON  12  4  2  26   CHI   9  7  3  21   LA   12  4  2  26
 NJ   10  7  0  20   QUE   9  5  4  22   DET  10  8  0  20   CAL  12  6  2  26
 NYR   9  7  2  20   BOS   9  4  2  20   TOR   9  5  2  20   VAN   9  6  2  20
 PHL   7  8  3  17   BUF   8  7  2  18   TB    9  9  2  20   EDM   6  9  3  15
 NYI   7  9  1  15   HAR   3 13  1   7   MIN   8  8  2  18   WIN   5 12  1  11
 WAS   7  9  1  15   OTT   1 16  1   3   STL   6 10  2  14   SJ    3 14  1   7


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Ottawa Senators     (1-16-1)   1   1   0   -   2
Philadelphia Flyers  (7-8-3)   2   4   1   -   7

1st period: PHL, Lindros 12 - (Recchi, Yushkevich) 0:41
	    PHL, Pederson 3 - (Galley, Brind'Amour) (pp) 11:03
	    OTT, Brady 3 - (Jelinek, Lavoie) (pp) 14:32

2nd period: PHL, Recchi 12 - (Carkner) 4:04
	    PHL, Fedyk 8 - (Lindros, Recchi) 4:46
	    PHL, Lindros 13 - (Recchi, Fedyk) 7:37
	    PHL, Boivin 3 - (Acton) 8:15
	    OTT, Lazaro 1 - (Maciver, Archibald) 18:34

3rd period: PHL, Lindros 14 - (Recchi, Fedyk) (pp) 1:53

Powerplay Opportunities-Senators 1 of 5
			Flyers   2 of 2

Shots on Goal-	Senators  10  13  10  -  33
		Flyers    10  10   7  -  27

Ottawa Senators--Sidorkiewicz (1-12-1) (27 shots - 20 saves)
Philadelphia Flyers--Roussel (3-3-0) (33 shots - 31 saves)

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Minnesota North Stars  (8-8-2)   0   0   1   -   1
Chicago BlackHawks     (9-7-3)   0   0   2   -   2

1st period: NONE

2nd period: NONE

3rd period: MIN, Modano 8 - (Churla, D.Smith) 3:04
	    CHI, Roenick 12 - (S.Smith) 5:56
	    CHI, Chelios 5 - (Ruuttu, Noonan) 13:58

Powerplay Opportunities-North Stars 0 of 4
			BlackHawks  0 of 6

Shots on Goal-	North Stars   6   6   4  -  16
		BlackHawks    7  13   8  -  28

Minnesota North Stars--Casey (7-5-2) (28 shots - 26 saves)
Chicago BlackHawks--Belfour (6-6-3) (16 shots - 15 saves)

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From: ummak027@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Anson Sen Sau Mak)
Subject: Re: Hartford Whalers
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 05:40:39 GMT

The Whalers will not play at home on Nov, 21. Instead they will face the
Nordiques in Quebec.


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From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr)
Subject: FLYERS notes 11/18
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:11:51 GMT

For those FLYERS fans out there who haven't heard, Mark Recchi was
named NHL player of the week last week, and deservedly so. He had
3 goals and 9 assists last week. As I noted in my last post, the
Crazy 8's line has had 35 points in their last 4 games, 15 goals
and 20 assists. Two of those games were 12 pointers. The FLYERS
record for most points in a game by one line is 14. I have a feeling
that that record won't make it through the season...:-)

In a previous post, I mentioned that Rod Brind'Amour was close to a
shorthanded goal milestone, but I wasn't sure what it was. Now I know,
he's 2 goals shy of being 10th on the FLYERS all time SHG list. I guess
that's not bad for a guy who's played less than 1-1/4 seasons with the team.

A win tommorrow vs the Rangers puts them 1 point out of 3rd place.

pete clark jr - rsh FLYERS contact
From: htakeda@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU
Subject: Miura, Hiro  Saskatchewan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:47:58 GMT

Anyone out there seen this player.  i read an article in thn
this week about him.  It's really Hiro-something Miura.  He
was drafted by the Canadiens and is apparently in the Juniors
I beleive in Saskatoon (?)  I am just interested in how he is
doing.  He apparently skates fast and has also scored a few
goals.  The difference between him and other asian players in
is that his hockey skills were produced in Japan (according to
the article)  He seems to be big enough 6-3 185 lbs (i think)
but lacks the aggresiveness.  i belive he is a D-man and had
16 goals (?) with about 30 points.  he also speaks almost no
English.
  I have had the experience of playing in Japan (not pro or
anything, just recreationally) and would like to see a Can/Am
point of view on this guy.  i feel they do lack the physical
part of the game (that's why i liked it therre, i was able to
throw aroound quite a few bodies) but are really disciplined
and have good skating basics, as the article indicated.
  funny thing is that this article seems to hint to the
possibility of Asia to become another area where players come
from.  but in the same issue (or a recent issue) sarcasm was
used to poke fun at the possibility of looking for players
in China.  kinda contradictory :)
HIRO




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HIRO "The HAB" Takeda
GO Montreal Canadiens, Kokudo Keikaku Bunnies, Taiyo Whales,
Montreal Expos, and the Dallas Cowboys.
UC Irvine, Electrical and Comp. Engin., Info. and Comp. Science.
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From: bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down)
Subject: Re: Penalty shot criteria?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:54:04 GMT

fischman@nynexst.com (Gary Fischman) writes:

> I'm not sure about this one, but I think if someone other than
> the goalie closes a hand on the puck in the crease, a P shot is awarded.

He doen't have to close his hand on it. If he just lies on it or
makes any kind of save in the crease that leads to a whistle,
without the help of the goalie, it's a penalty shot.

Brian Down (bdown@vis.toronto.edu)
From: adong_d@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Hockey Videos?
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:49:46 -0800
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

Does anyone know where or who I can talk to about getting video copies of
old hockey games? I'm looking specificly for old Bruin's games (wins or
losses) from the 70's to the 90's. Just for my own use, as a fan of the
game and the Bruins.

The reason I thought of this, was that I came across a video tape I had 
taped in 1991 of Boston's 2-1 victory over Montreal in Game 7 of the Adams
final.. Best game of the playoffs I think. I watched the whole thing, and
relived the great memories of Neely's goal from outside the blueline to win
it! I never thought I could enjoy a game I knew the outcome of, but it was
a lot better than anything I've seen this year...


Any ideas?

Thanx in advance,

   Brian

Bruins Rule!
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From: dnewell@backus.cse.nd.edu (devin newell)
Subject: Re: Penalty shot criteria?
Reply-To: dnewell@backus.cse.nd.edu (devin newell)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Distribution: NA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:19:32 GMT

Here is (I hope) a complete listing of all Penalty Shot Situations and Criteria

1) Taking down player on breakaway:
    a)player has control of puck
    b)no one between him and opposing goalie
    c)player is on attacking side of red line
    d)player is fouled from behind
    e)player has been denied a reasonable scoring opportunity

* all 5 must apply for penalty shot

2) Player other than goal keeper deliberately freezes the puck inside
   of his own goal crease. 


3) Throwing of stick (broken included) toward a puck inside the attacking blue
   line by any defensive player.  This also includes objects throw from the
   players bench.


4)  Deliberate delay of game within final two minutes of game or anytime
    during an overtime. This includes:
	a) deliberate displacement of goal posts
	b) goalie deliberately taking off facemask
	  (in leagues were helmets are required)


5)  Deliberately placing extra skaters on ice within final two minutes of game
    or anytime during an overtime.  Key word being deliberate.

     (Occasionaly would happen if a team was up by a goal or two, but they
      also happened to have two men in the box.  The strategy was to keep
      putting extra players out there to avoid being scored upon because
      additional penalties did not hurt.) 
 
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From: mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Marc Foster)
Subject: CHL News: 16-Nov-1992
Originator: usenet@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:31:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK

This post has been crossposted from the CHL Newsletter, but this will only
continue for another week or two.  To subscribe to the CHL Newsletter (hey,
it's free!), send email to  mfoster@geohub.gcn.uoknor.edu   


Well, it was an exciting weekend for hockey in the CHL.  Oklahoma City (gee
marc, are we showing a little bias here?) blew out Dallas Friday night 6-1,
then watched the defense collapse Saturday night, as they managed to squeak
by Tulsa 8-7, in a game with many minors (16) called, but with little fighting,
as everyone got their second game misconduct the night before.  Saturday night
also marked the debut of new Blazers goaltender Paul Krake.  Krake, who signed
an NHL contract with Quebec this summer, attended the University of Alaska - 
Anchorage, where he was the team's MVP and Athlete of the Year at the Univer-
sity.  Krake was assigned by Quebec to the Blazers from Halifax (AHL). Yannick
Gosselin was placed on waivers.  Sean Curtin of Fort Worth was placed on 15 day
injured reserve Wednesday.

Wichita looked good at home this weekend with a pair of wins over Memphis and
Dallas.  Tulsa dropped from first to  three way tie for third with a pair of
road losses to Fort Worth and OKC.  The Fire seem to be a puzzeling team, 
beating Tulsa ugly, 8-1 (they seem to have the Ice Oiler's number), then losing
to Memphis.  Through Friday, the league averaged 5,950 a game in attendance, 
with OKC drawing 7,407, Wichita drawing 5,636, and Fort Worth inproving a bit
from the weeknight, drawing 2,931 in Friday night action.

I talked with Ice Oilers coach Gary Unger before the game Saturday night about
the incident with the Green Bay Ice and the AHA (gee, I'm gonna love having 
this press pass for the rest of the season).  Beaulieu and Couvrette are not
going to be playing for the ICE, and are suspended until further notice, "They
won't be playing until at least January," said Unger.  The two leagues have made
an agreement (non-agression pact, I call it) where the AHA will honor all CHL
contracts.  According to Unger, it was one thing for a player to be offered a 
lot more money to go play in Europe, or to get a coaching offer, but the league
won't put up with this lateral jump crap for a piddly $75 a week more in salary.
By the way, Unger hasn't aged a day in 15 years.

Upcoming games this week:

Tuesday:    Fort Worth at Oklahoma City,  Memphis at Wichita
Wednesday:  Tulsa at Fort Worth
Thursday:   Memphis at Oklahoma City
Friday:     Dallas at Fort Worth,  Tulsa at Wichita
Saturday:   Dallas at Memphis,  Tulsa at Oklahoma City
Sunday:     No Games
From: leone@wpi.WPI.EDU (Dave Leone)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Providence/Boston Bruins
Date: 16 Nov 1992 04:50:21 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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Keywords: attention PPV Mark....and others

It was stated that the B's released Eugene Panteyleev.  This person does not
currently exist in the hockey playing universe.  Who was it that was released?
-Grigori Panteyleev, lw, on the #1 line in Providence
-Denis Cheruyakov, d, the only CIS defenseman in the organization
-Eugene Pavlov, lw, doesn't play regularly, probably the one released
-Sergei Zholtok, lw, only 19 yrs old, too young to release.
Anybody clarify?

And since I'm on the subject, the B's should:
Send down:			Recall:
Banks				Sweeney
Murray-too learn how to		Donatelli-'cause he is the
become aggressive in		best checking forward/most
checking & scoring		inspired forward.  Great to
				stir things up on a 4th line
Outright release:		Huscroft/Huard-goon replacement.
Ashton, Reid			(Hus. is a defenseman though.)

I'm afraid this team is to passive to go far in the playoffs, although
Featherstone, Kimble, Neely would help things out.

leone@wpi.wpi.edu
From: dreier@jacobi.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Sharks-Pens Tix 4 Sale
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:17:43
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: jacobi.berkeley.edu

I have two tickets for the Dec. 5 team between the Skarks and the
Penguins for sale.  They are in row B, right near the penalty box.  I
am asking face value, $55 each, $110 total, for the pair.  E-mail if
you are interested.

--
Roland Dreier                                        dreier@math.berkeley.edu
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From: uskirshn@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Steven Kirshner)
Subject: Re: BEST FIGHTER??????
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 06:18:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.012204.19745@pool.info.sunyit.edu> urjm5@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Richard Macturk) writes:
>In article <1992Nov3.144444.4344@shearson.com> bprisco@shearson.com writes:
>>In article 17349@pool.info.sunyit.edu, urjm5@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Richard Macturk) writes:
>>> In article <3ha1kvd@rpi.edu> downec@rpi.edu writes:
>>> >Bob Probert!!!
>>> >
>>> >Without a doubt!
>>> >
>>> >The only one who would ever be able to beat him is Troy Crowder but he'll never
>>> >get enough experience to do it.
>>> >
>>> >And, to all those Tie Domi fans, he sucks.
>>> 
>>
>>Hey Fight Doctor,
>>
>>Who the hell died and made you the Fight Doctor! 
>>
>>Are you forgetting that Adam Graves of the Rangers 
>>pummelled Probert with about 5 straight uppercuts.
>>Probert had to be helped back to his feet, and I
>>heard he was answering phones all week even when they
>>wern't ringing!
>>
>>Probert's a pussy, we all know that. Domi would eat him
>>for lunch and then spit him out like a bad tuna!
>>
>>Go Rangers!!!!
>>
>>-Bobby Prisco
>
>If you are such an authority on Rangers "enforcers" why
>haven't you mentioned Joey Kocur. He is the toughest Ranger
>and definately the best puncher in the league. He would hammer
>on Domi. Domi is just a typical cement head. Kind of like Rob
>Ray except Domi can actually fight. I can't wait for Dec. 2nd.
>Domi will go night-night!!! 
>
>P.S. If Joey Kocur and Bob Probert weren't best friends that
>would be a great fight. 
>
>-- 
>==========================================================
>|| Rick MacTurk               E-Mail : urjm5@sunyit.edu ||
>|| State University of New York Institute of Technology ||
>==========================================================

excuse me all of you - but let's not forget STU GRIMSON; if anyone
noticed, he tore marty mcSOREly apart Thursday night leaving him with a
bloody jersey for the rest of the game..... he's definitely a force to
be reckoned with.
                       steve

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