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From: borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Dave Borden)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: Drinking and the MBTA was Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
Date: 24 Dec 92 13:53:12 GMT
Reply-To: borden@m5.harvard.edu
Distribution: ne
Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA

In article <BZS.92Dec23194745@world.std.com> bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:

>>I grew up in northern NJ, a short ride from Manhattan (Englewood, for those
>>who know the area - you might have driven through on I-95, just past the
>>George Washington Bridge).  There is very convenient bus service from there
>>to the Port Authority on 42nd St.  Unfortunately, the fare is $2.85 each way,
>>and the subway fare in New York is $1.25 per ride, with no passes or discount
>>rates.  This is compared to the $4 toll at the bridge.  There is hence a
>>savings of more than $4 in driving, if you happen to be going to an area in
>>which you can park for free.  The authorities there aren't doing a good job
>>of encouraging car-owners to use the public transit system, and it's a shame.
>
>I grew up in NYC, lemmee give you the inside scoop: they don't want
>to encourage people coming from Joisey at all :-)

That's why they tax us extra when we get jobs there and commute in!

   - Dave Borden
     borden@m5.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: ne.general
From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: Alternative to First Night
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: ne
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 01:20:14 GMT

In article <MEISSNER.92Dec29185321@curley.osf.org>
meissner@osf.org (Michael Meissner) writes:

>My wife and I have a 5 year old daughter, and after a few bad
>experiences at First Night (one year she got sick and threw up on
>somebody's mink coat while we were trying to guide her to a sink)....

Geez, dude, if you're gonna let her drink, at least make sure she knows her
limit!

	-Kenny

-- 
Kenny Crudup, Contractor, OSF DCE QA
OSF, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142	+1 617 621 7306
kenny@osf.osf.org			OSF has nothing to do with this post.
	  Religion: The longest-running gag ever played on Mankind.
From: sklarew@bass.bu.edu (daniel sklarew)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: ne.personals?
Date: 2 Jan 93 04:53:17 GMT
Reply-To: sklarew@bass.bu.edu (daniel sklarew)
Followup-To: ne.general
Organization: Boston University

In article <C04swD.JK7@merk.com> mike@merk.com (Mike Sullivan) writes:
>Anonymous or not I'll patronize ne.personals

Also, Elizabeth, as well as an anonymous SWF from Maine (via email), and
myself make a gender-balanced 4 votes "yeah!" for ne.personals to be
created.

I am told that if discussion continues smoothly here on ne.general, we
can expect the powers at be to assist in the nesgroups' creation in
the near future -- any other pro votes out there?

(Nebraska folks out there can speak up too, though you might have a
long commute to come visit the rest of us)

						Dann the Ca^lin

P.S. If no one else pips up, I guess that Mike, Elizabeth, SWF, and I
will just have to set up our own cyber-singles bar somewhere between
New Haven and Portland, ME.


Newsgroups: ne.general
From: mike@merk.com (Mike Sullivan)
Subject: Re: ne...
Organization: Technology Partners, Inc.
Distribution: ne
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 07:15:54 GMT

I always thought that "ne" stood for New England, and was therefor bugged
when people from New York or Ohio would post.   Jeesh!

Boy do I feel regioncentric.

Somebody set us straight!  Is it NEbraska, NorthEastern, or New England?

Newsgroups: ne.general
From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: flavors of MA cops: what the hell is the registry police?
Organization: The World
Distribution: ne
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:29:26 GMT


>"But really, your Honor, I was assuming that good Officer Donut was travelling
>at 55mph, and that my speedometer was broken..  after all, his lights were
>-not- on and I know that the local constabulary always tries to make a good
>impression.."

Being as you have no way of knowing *why* that particular police car
is exceeding the speed limit you really wouldn't have much to say for
yourself and I doubt you'd have the time or wherewithal (especially
the wherewithal) to investigate tho perhaps if you made some noise.
You could still be wrong of course (that is, the car may well have
been on an emergency call.)

Worse, I believe that following an emergency vehicle as you describe
is an even more serious offense than mere speeding and you may well
open yourself to that charge.

That said, I once did beat a ticket on something like this. The big
difference was that the cop *told* me to follow him (to a court in
another town on behalf of a friend) and took off at a high speed.
Another police car pulled me over and gave me a ticket.

On the other hand, the whole thing was an entrapment and it was so
obvious the judge kinda dropped the whole thing in dismay when I made
it clear that this wasn't going to stop here if he didn't. I probably
should have followed up on it, but it was a small town and these
things aren't easy to gather evidence on, "obvious to any idiot (even
the judge)" is not usually enough to slam a dept with a corruption
charge.

-- 
        -Barry Shein

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From: savoia@sw.stratus.com (Rick Savoia)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: flavors of MA cops: what the hell is the registry police?
Date: 30 Dec 1992 21:24:09 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
Distribution: ne
NNTP-Posting-Host: watts.sqa.stratus.com

In article <JPT.92Dec30152510@telecaster.think.com>, jpt@telecaster.think.com (James P. Taylor) writes:
> In article <1hsrt9INN7tl@transfer.stratus.com> savoia@sw.stratus.com (Rick Savoia) writes:

> 
>    Nobody pulls a cop over.  If you are stupid enough to follow him at his 
>    speed, then don't cry injustice if you get a ticket!
> 
> Long ago when I took drivers ed in Mass, the state law read that police
> vehicles could only exceed the speed limit if they were on "emergency
> service".  

And I ask again:  Who's going to pull him over and give
him a ticket?
-- 
==========================================================
Rick Savoia                     | "I'm just very selective
savoia@watts.sqa.stratus.com    | about the reality 
Rick_Savoia@vos.stratus.com     | I accept" - Calvin
==========================================================

Newsgroups: ne.general
From: wfp@world.std.com (William F Phillips)
Subject: XmasLites (tm) Spotted
Organization: Nat'l Foundation of the Cluely Impaired^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HChallenged, Persons' Republic of Cambridge (MA, USA)
Distribution: ne
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:30:55 GMT


Gaudy XmasLites have been spotted at the following locations in or near
North Cambridge:

	- Rice Street off Mass Ave;

	- Cameron Ave between Mass Ave and Broadway Somerville;

	- Mead Street off Cameron Ave (Somerville);

Additions to this list are enthusiastically encouraged!

Merry Yule to All!

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From: monty%roscom@think.com (Monty Solomon)
Newsgroups: ne.general,rec.arts.tv,rec.video.satellite
Subject: Michael Moschen
Date: 30 Dec 92 09:54:03 GMT
Reply-To: Monty Solomon <roscom!monty@think.com>
Followup-To: ne.general
Distribution: na
Organization: Proponent

I recommend that you watch Dance in America/In Motion with Michael Moschen this  
week on PBS.  It may repeat in January.

Michael Moschen combines dance, juggling, comedy and performance art.

In Boston, it airs on Saturday 1/2/93 at 8pm on Ch 2.

Monty

-- 
# Monty Solomon / PO Box 2486 / Framingham, MA  01701-0405
# monty%roscom@think.com
From: gjc@mitech.com (George J. Carrette)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: Drinking and the MBTA was Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
Date: 23 Dec 92 15:40:08 GMT
Organization: Mitech Corporation, Concord MA

In article <1992Dec22.154606.8643@m5.harvard.edu>, borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Dave Borden) writes:
> If we
> want to subsidize them, then it's just as well done through taxes - a dollar
> spent on transportation is a dollar spent on transportation, regardless of
> how it gets there, 

A dollar spent via state and/or local taxes actually costs MA people
less than a dollar, because of the deductability of local taxes
from gross income counted for federal taxation.

-gjc
Newsgroups: ne.general
From: Marcie Becker <becker@osf.org>
Subject: Boston to FL after Christmas
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A75CBAC31805082E@alimac36.osf.org>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 22 Dec 92 12:29:55 GMT
Organization: Open Software Foundation
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Distribution: ne
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:24:41 GMT

Looking for plane ticket or ride to Florida after Christmas, preferably
Sunday/Monay.

Please contact becker@osf.org 617-621-8793, or 241-7753 before Thursday.

Thanks.
Newsgroups: ne.general
From: ehrlich@world.std.com (Stuart R Ehrlich)
Subject: How much do you spend on food?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: ne
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 22:07:32 GMT

I'm curious how my household food budget compares to others
in the Boston area.  If people could email or post their:

	* location
	* number/ages of household members
	* weekly $ spend on food
	* number of times/week eat out at restaurants

I will summarize.


Our household:
	* is in Boston suburb, 25 miles northwest of Beantown
	* 3 adults over 20 years,
	* spend $150 on groceries and household items per week,
	  (items include soap, toilet paper, etc)
	* and eat out 5 meals per week (not included in above $150).



Newsgroups: ne.general
From: adamg@world.std.com (Adam M Gaffin)
Subject: Re: flavors of MA cops: what the hell is the registry police?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: ne
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 18:12:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.131923.7782@ferrari.nmc.ed.ray.com> heiser@TDWR.ED.RAY.COM (Bill Heiser) writes:
>
>I, too, have heard of the tunnels being under close scrutiny lately.
>What happened?  Did Dunkin Donuts open a new store at the end of the
>tunnel?  :-) :-)
>
Coming back from Logan the other day, I saw a guy standing at the toll
plaza selling coffee.  He had one of those giant plastic coffee things
strapped to his back and was offering cups for $1 apiece ($!.50 for decaf,
I think) out of the nozzle in his hand.  Maybe the donut guy was on break
:-).
-- 
Adam Gaffin
Middlesex News, Framingham, Mass.
adamg@world.std.com
Voice: (508) 626-3968. Fred the Middlesex News Computer: (508) 872-8461.
Newsgroups: ne.general
From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: flavors of MA cops: what the hell is the registry police?
Organization: The World
	<1992Dec31.132519.8155@ferrari.nmc.ed.ray.com>
	<1992Dec31.220420.29090@osf.org>
Distribution: ne
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 22:59:29 GMT


Oh, I dunno, I was riding in a BU police car once (I was a witness to
a crime there and this was the court date and we were just going out
to lunch, the crime occured months before) and they used their top
lights to cut through traffic to get to the diner, totally unnecessary
and very obnoxious in my opinion. I think the police should provide
some model of behavior, if they think it's ok to bend the rules to
avoid the little annoyances of life why shouldn't everyone? Granted
these were BU police...but I think it's a common attitude.

I worked for 3 years with the Boston Fire Dept and they were
scrupulous about this kind of thing, in my experience they *never*
pulled that kind of shenanigan.

They do take fire engines to get lunch but that is because if a call
comes in they can take off from wherever they happen to be, there are
no extra shift people to go get lunch for them. The whole engine crew
rides to get lunch (sometimes they can spare someone, this isn't
universal, but if there's only a bare crew on shift.) I think that's
fine tho I suppose the public might misunderstand.

The only time it was even a close call with the BFD was once I was
being driven back to my office in a wagon and there was a horrible
traffic jam on Huntington we got stuck in, after about 90 minutes
(literally) of getting nowhere the driver made a comment about the
wagon being needed on the next shift (particularly the oxygen tanks in
the back) and used his lights to go down the trolley tracks. Sort
amusing, and probably justified, in the fire dept equipment is
everything.

That's why they'll also use their lights to get back to the house fast
after a fire, often supplies and hoses need to be replenished before
another call comes in.

-- 
        -Barry Shein

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From: jimm@kronos.com (Jim Mushinsky)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: flavors of MA cops: what the hell is the registry police?
Date: 31 Dec 92 20:32:26 GMT
Organization: Kronos Inc. / Waltham, MA
Disclaimer: This posting is a personal opinion and not that of Kronos Inc.

In article <30Dec92170543@miracle.com> jess@miracle.com (Jessica Thornburg) writes:
>Yes, it's -definitely- a bad idea to follow a cop because he's doing 75!!  He 
>could easily decide to pull you over if he noticed you.
>
This is true since it happened to me.  I followed him from a "distance" of
about 500-600 yards at about 75-80.  I noticed when he took an exit ramp.
He took it very slowly waiting for me to pass.  He then proceeded back on
to the highway.  By this time I was doing 55, but that didn't stop him
from pulling me over.  I did not receive a ticket, but I was threatened
with the ticket.  I did receive a long verbal thrashing that lasted at
least 10 times longer than any time I saved by speeding.

C-ya,
	Jim
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From: lmann@jjmhome.UUCP (Laurie Mann)
Newsgroups: ne.general,misc.kids
Subject: Re: What to do with 12 yr olds in Boston
Date: 3 Jan 93 14:44:18 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: ne

In article <1993Jan2.225818.19202@iecc.cambridge.ma.us>, johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine) writes:
> Next month we will have the pleasant company of twin twelve-year old
> nieces for five days.  Not having been 12 for a while, and never, to the
> best of my recollection, having been a 12 year old girl, I'm a little
> short of ideas for things to do.  There are some obvious things: Freedom
> Trail, clothes shopping, movies, etc.

I'd take them for some decent Chinese food or maybe to Chinatown for
dim sum.  I'd take them for a cruise on Boston Harbor, and maybe over to
the Science Museum (they are probably a little old for the Children's
Museum, but if they like computers, the Computer Museum isn't a bad idea).

If you want to go out to the "sticks" for a day, you could take them
out to Old Sturbridge Village or down to Plymouth Plantation (note, though
I have a 12 year old myself, I still haven't done either of these things).

*     NeXT: lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com * GEnie:  Laurie.Mann     *
*  In Germany they first came for the Communists, and I didn't speak  *
*  because I wasn't a Communist.  Then they came for the Jews, and I  *
*  didn't speak because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade  *  
*  unionists, and I didn't speak because I wasn't a trade unionist..  *
*Then they came for me---and by that time no one was left to speak up.*
*       Martin Niemoeller     Why to March on Washington, 4/93        *
From: mike@merk.com (Mike Sullivan)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: ne.personals?
Date: 31 Dec 92 16:09:48 GMT
Organization: Technology Partners, Inc.

I think it's a fine idea.  Wading through the chicago and san fransisco posts
can be entertaining, but it can also be mighty frustrating.  Especially when
Ms Right posts, and neglects to mention that she live in Gnome Alaska.

Anonymous or not I'll patronize ne.personals

mike
From: zippy@cs.brandeis.edu (Patrick Tufts)
Newsgroups: ne.general
Subject: Re: Drinking and the MBTA was Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
Date: 22 Dec 92 16:48:20 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Brandeis University

borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Dave Borden) writes:
[....]

>Who's funding the unprofitable lines as it is?  For the most part, T riders
>are taxpayers.  If the desired goal is to keep the unprofitable lines running
>despite their unprofitability, then that is just as well accomplished
>through tax-subsidization as it is accomplished through fare revenue.
>Either way, we pay for it, so why not pay for running the unprofitable lines
>through taxes, instead of fare revenue from other lines [....]

While T riders are nearly a subset of T taxpayers, T taxpayers are
*not* a subset of T riders.

That is - while "we", the T riders, also pay taxes, there are many
taxpayers who do not use the T, and would likely prefer the current
pay-to-use setup over increased taxes.

--Pat
From: dme@cs.bu.edu (David Evans)
Newsgroups: ne.seminars
Subject: Boston Combined Schedule
Date: 2 Jan 93 06:27:18 GMT

Notices for meetings and lectures within the next 14 days
Events recently publicized are excluded.
We have no other information about these events; some, however,
have a phone number or address for additional details or confirmation.

  Wed  6 Jan  7:00 pm  Bolt, Beranek, and Newman 70 Fawcett Street Fresh Pond
Cambridge, MA Newman Auditorium  "Siggraph/NE Annual Film and Video Show"
Host: ACM SIGGRAPH/New England Local Group
For Info: Julie Satterfield, (617) 325-5351, julies@wal.hp.com

  Tue 12 Jan  8:00 pm  Intermetrics Atrium, 733 Concord Ave., Cambridge
Speaker: Karl J. Lieberherr Northeastern University Boston
"Developing Adaptive Software with the Demeter Method"
Host: ACM Greater Boston Chapter SICPLAN
For Info: Peter Mager psm@bu.edu, ...bu!wyserd!psm 617-890-2084

  Wed 13 Jan  6:00 pm
DEC NORTHEAST TECHNOLOGY CENTER (SHR3), 334 SOUTH STREET SHREWSBURY, MA
Speaker: John Murray, KPMG Peat Marwick  "SOFTWARE QUALITY - WHERE ARE WE?"
Host: WORCESTER SECTION IEEE COMPUTER SOCIETY / NE SW QUALITY COUNCIL
For Info: Shashi Mehra at (508) 490-6934, Jim Perry at (617) 455-4560
From: dme@csa.bu.edu (David Evans)
Newsgroups: ne.seminars
Subject: Boston Combined Schedule
Date: 27 Dec 92 19:52:47 GMT

Notices for meetings and lectures within the next 14 days
Events recently publicized are excluded.
We have no other information about these events; some, however,
have a phone number or address for additional details or confirmation.

  Fri  8 Jan 10:00 am
Room 135, 111 Cummington St. (Behind 700 Commonwealth Ave.), Boston
Speaker: Joan Feigenbaum, AT&T Bell Labs  "Probabilistically Checkable Debate
Systems and Approximation Algorithms for PSPACE-Hard Functions"
Host: Boston University Computer Science Dept. and 1993 Structures in
Complexity Theory Conference

  Fri  8 Jan 11:00 am
Room 135, 111 Cummington St. (Behind 700 Commonwealth Ave.), Boston
Speaker: Klaus-Joern Lange, Technische Universitaet Muenchen
"Parallelism and Formal Languages"  Host: Boston University Computer Science
Dept. and 1993 Structures in Complexity Theory Conference

  Fri  8 Jan  3:00 pm
Room 135, 111 Cummington St. (Behind 700 Commonwealth Ave.), Boston
Speaker: Jacobo Toran, Universidad Politecnica de Catalunyna
"A Result on Polynomial Time Enumerability"  Host: Boston University Computer
Science Dept. and 1993 Structures in Complexity Theory Conference

  Fri  8 Jan  4:00 pm
Room 135, 111 Cummington St. (Behind 700 Commonwealth Ave.), Boston
Speaker: Eric Allender, Rutgers University and Princeton University
"A First-Order Isomorphism Theorem"  Host: Boston University Computer Science
Dept. and 1993 Structures in Complexity Theory Conference
From: gjc@mitech.com (George J. Carrette)
Newsgroups: ne.politics
Subject: Re: State Socialism (last one, for sure)
Date: 30 Dec 92 11:35:08 GMT
Organization: Mitech Corporation, Concord MA

In article <58077@dime.cs.umass.edu>, yodaiken@chelm.cs.umass.edu (victor yodaiken) writes:
> This is nonsense. The peak of Soviet economic growth appeared in the
> early 1930's when the Soviet Union was transformed, brutally, from an
> agrarian nation to an industrial one. 

Maybe you can help me with a serious problem. I cannot figure
out how to measure economic growth in an environment where millions
of people are dying. In particular:

 How do you value the output of the slave
 labor as compared with the value of the slaves that died?

>[straw man where ...]
> pre-revolutionary Russia was well on its way to the capitalist paradise
> when the bad commies showed up and stole the cake.

Was anyplace a "capitalist paradise?" Was the USA a paradise?

Can anybody deny that "massive changes" took place in the UK, USA?
But were millions of people killed by the government, or even
by capitalist private armies during the industrial revolution?
Certainly not. The USA in particular was attracting millions of
people. 

What was it about the Communist systems that made it possible,
convenient, or otherwise available to kill millions of people in order
to effect these "massive changes?"

Did the Chinese do much better the second time around? 

-gjc
From: j.turner@lynx.coe.northeastern.edu (Jeffrey Turner)
Subject: Re: State Socialism (last one, for sure)
Organization: College of Engineering, Northeastern University
	<58039@dime.cs.umass.edu> <20472@ksr.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:14:14 GMT

In article <20472@ksr.com> cher@ksr.com (Mike Cherepov) writes:

>We know now that Soviet incomes were never better than third-world
>level.  Historians who argued otherwise should re-examine their
>methods and selection of sources - they were wrong.

    This argument might make some sort of sense IF the economy
of the world were neatly divisible by country.  The big questions
are:  Would the US standard of living be as high as it is if not
for the impoverishment and exploitation of the "Third World"?
What has the effect of exclusion from the"capitalist" economy
been on the quality and quantity of Soviet production?  What has
the effect of a net transfer of wealth from the Soviet Union to
its "satellites" been, as opposed to the net transfer of wealth
from the US's Latin American "satellites" to the US?  What are the
relative levels of medical care and literacy in the xUSSR, the
"third world", and the "third world at home" cities and poor rural
areas of the US itself?

    	    	    	    	--Jeff Turner