HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lawson@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Alan Jackson)
Subject: Re: Deb's New Thang (was Re: Special Rights for Homosexuals)
Organization: University of North Carolina
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:14:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.001517.7136@samba.oit.unc.edu> czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor) writes:
>
>My roomate has decided that she wants to respond to Alan's little comment
>herself, so she is using my account.
>
>
>In article <1992Dec11.193325.24347@samba.oit.unc.edu>
>lawson@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Alan Jackson) writes:
>>>>> czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor) writes:
>
>>>>>  ...(btw...did she tell you she has a date on sunday?  some guy with a
>>>>>motorcycle in her gymnastics class...
>
>>Wow!  I met him today....very attractive.  Why do all the cute ones have
>>to pretend to be straight?
>
>I am glad you approve, but would really like to know if you feel all
>good-looking men should be gay.  I know you would like that, but who would
>I date?  I also would like to add that there have been many good-looking
>gay men that I have seen at clubs.  Neither of us should have  a monopoly
>on attractive males.  
>
>(btw...Alan--I'll tell you if he's a mouthfull _when_ I find out!!!) 
>
>Debra Hoechstetter  (who likes men just as much as the next guy)
>
Hey season, it's not fair to let straight women (even if she is your
roomie) use your account....:)

To answer the question, no, all attractive men should not be gay.....just
the one's with sexy legs.......:)

and well developed pectorals and biceps.....

and cute little butts....:)

ok, point made....


Huh? -----> AJ

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rhiann@carson.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld)
Subject: *My* personals ad
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:33:21 GMT

Well, I said I would post my ad for Rachel if I got impressive
enough begs....  Some were very nice indeed, but some of you are
going to have to go style class... (Miriam, tsk, tsk, it's quality,
not quantity (except for breasts, of course)).

Well, some background is probably in order. My girlfriend has never
been with a man, but frequently askes me to tell stories about my
(many) past male lovers.  Finally she starts making noises about
wanting to try sex with a man, but she knows she'd want me there. We
do a little chatting about mutual friends, but there seems no one that
we'd both be interested in.  So, for her birthday, I put the following
ad in The Stranger. (You'll notice I lied in that ad, but it seemed
easier (and cheaper) that including this whole long intro...)

Two Chunky Chesty Dykes looking for a queer- 
positive man for first time explorations.

Of course, right after the ad appears, my adorable one (otherwise 
known as the Queen of weird diseases) got Bell's palsy, and didn't want
anyone to see her while her face was paralyzed (she's much better now)
So, except for a few phone calls, we've never done anything about it.

Sandy
(Really, it is Sandy, not Sandra...changing the SETENV doesn't seem to have
fixed it, but I *HATE* Sandra, o.k.?)
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Drooling over the "Europa, Europa" guy.
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:25:04 GMT
Organization: People's Front of Judea

In article <1992Dec15.121329.27008@nstn.ns.ca> daniel@nstn.ns.ca (Daniel MacKay) writes:
>
>Sigh.  ObMotss: there is no motss content in [Europa, Europa] 
>execpt for some very handsome guys.

Not quite true. While the hero is in a Nazi infantry unit, he's
befriended by a soldier who (they heavily imply) is gay. The
soldier and the hero are both "closeted"-- one about being gay,
one about being a Jew.
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"SILENCE = QUIET"
                --Girljock Magazine
From: ric@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Graffiti 404-972-4999)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Top GLB Fiction
Date: 19 Dec 1992 02:49:04 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu
Summary: A gay CD-ROM?

We should come up with permission to archive all these onto a CD ROM
and market it as the "Gay Owner's Manual" you never got.....

-- 
 -Ric     __                       __                                 __
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From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Coming out at work - HELP!
Date: 19 Dec 92 06:07:28 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <1992Dec18.133312.10122@wixer.cactus.org> lazarus@wixer.cactus.org (Michael Lax) writes:
>Any ideas, history or suggestions about being
>out at work in a _very_ small (9 employees) company (which does have an
>anti-discrimination policy)?  Thanks in advance for the support.

I think it goes the same at a larger company... don't annoy and don't
be easily annoyed.  Don't hit everyone over the head with a penis
poster and nothing much will come of it (especially knowing where the
company and the city stands on non-discrimination based on the sex of
your desired partner).  

-- 
| Tom Barrett (TDBear), Sr. Engineer | tom.barrett@amd.com
| AMD PCD / Austin, TX  78741        | v:512-462-6856 / f:512-462-5155
| "No is yes, And we're all free"    | CO made a #2 no-no... PU!
| My views may not be shared by the organization of origin
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Non-Adaptive Features?
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 15:19:20 GMT


In article <1992Dec9.190107.5914@netcom.com>, solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) writes:
|> In article <ByyEuC.Az1@fig.citib.com> glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:

|> >Not does it help to be pedantic.  If nipples and
|> >clits have adaptive value they are not "evolutionary
|> >by-products" - or if they are, *everything* is.
|> 
|> But humans didn't evolve nipples or clits. We inherited them from
|> other mammalian forebears.

What's "human" or a "forebear" is an academic distinction.
What traits did humans evolve, and what traits appeared
and made us distinguishable from our "forebears".

|> To the best of my knowledge, in no
|> other species are nipples or clitorises stimulated by sexual
|> contact; thus, when those species developed these organs, they
|> were "by-products", "accidents", what-have-you; they were never
|> stimulated, so they could not have served any purpose.
|> 
|> Humans inherited these vestigial traits, and pressed them into
|> service.

You're hopeless.  No trait arises, fully formed and
well-designed and ready to secure that environmental
niche.  All traits first must exist, then be pressed
into service.

|> 
|> >				...But when 
|> >you start saying these sorts of things about
|> >human sexuality you're way out of bounds.
|> 
|> And why is talking about human sexuality "out of bounds" on
|> soc.motss?

Stunning. 

-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo)
Subject: Re: Is it actually 10%??
Organization: New York University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:34:41 GMT

In article <m0n2YOg-00006xC@juts.ccc.amdahl.com> rich.bellacera@amail.
amdahl.com writes:

>        Since many Fundies love to point to NAMBLA as proof of "gays
>recruiting new homosexuals I would like to hear a "good" explanation as to
>where all the new lesbians come from?  Are there active lesbian recuiting
>agencies?


I believe Pat Robertson had an answer to your question:

  "The feminist agenda has nothing to do with 
  equal rights for women. It is a socialist, 
  anti-family movement that encourages women 
  to leave their husbands, kill their children, 
  practice withchdraft, destroy capitalism and 
  become lesbians." 

 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: albrigh@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (thomas g albright)
Subject: Re: soc.motss.*
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:58:22 GMT

In article <15112.2b2e02ec@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>
msp@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Michael S. Pettersen) writes:

...
>houses; can you imagine soc.motss.jessanderson, soc.motss.stevedyer,
>soc.motss.melindashore, soc.motss.arnoldzwicky, soc.motss.donaldagarrat, 
>soc.motss.marachibnik, soc.motss.thaaaang, and last and definitely least, 
...

You wouldn't be referring to the *Cabal* by any chance, would you?

-Tom Albright

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: soc.motss.*
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:52:09 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison

In article <15112.2b2e02ec@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>
msp@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Michael S. Pettersen)
writes:

Hey guy, just because you're in smart France (read: envy!)
doesn't stop you from preserving the threading (read:

>Finally, I arrive at my proposal.  This is simply to divide
>the group arbitrarily into soc.motss.a, soc.motss.b,
>soc.motss.c, and soc.motss.d.  This would give everyone
>space to breathe, reduce the volume, and allow people with
>similar tastes and interests to gravitate together (and
>those with strong antipathies to repel each other).

This is not entirely useless as an suggestion (says he,
loftily).  One could divide the globe into hemidemisperes (is
that 4?), and wander around as it suits you.  Normally, you
would just speak to your own house.  I propose putting the
center at Omaha and reckoning .ne, .nw, .se, and .sw from
there.  John Dorrance would thereby be the only regular
living in all four houses.  

I have no idea what the antipode of Omaha is (the mind
boggles, doesn't it?); let's see, Omaha is about 41N96W, so
is that 41S84E?  That would be out in the south Indian
Ocean, about 1600 km SW of Perth, Australia, in about 2500
meters of (very cold, I think) water.  (You see, John, it
could be worse!)

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble)
Subject: GLAAD: Lesbian Avengers
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:57:33 PST

               (from GLAAD/LA Reports - Jan. 93)

Lesbian Avengers...

  A report in the Los Angeles Times detailed the activities of a
  300-member lesbian group called the Lesbian Avengers who dogged the
  heels of Denver Mayor Wellington Webb on his recent trips to try and
  halt the snowballing boycott.  At a press conference on Dec. 9, Webb
  recalled that during his recent PR trip the Lesbian Avengers somehow
  obtained a copy of his itinerary and were present all along the route
  to confront him.  "They were there to harrass me," claimed Webb.  "At
  points, it got disgusting."

  Carrying signs and chanting "We're here, we're queer and we won't go
  skiing," eight Lesbian Avengers first confronted Webb in New York's
  Regency Hotel.  That same day, according to Avenger's spokesperson Ann
  Northrup, he was hit five more times.  "Everywhere he went we were at
  the door to greet him.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Soc.Motss.*
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:49:16 GMT

In article <1gpj8kINNp1q@alice.cs.purdue.edu>, berninge@cs.purdue.edu (James Berninger) writes:
> Cute.  And actually, pretty accurate.  Not that every article has
> this kind of chit-chat, but it's there, and seems to cause almost as
> many followups as the stuff that *belongs* here.

It seems like we just had the discussion about what "belongs" here,
very recently. Some of us happen to think that the "chit-chat" *does*
belong here, and it's a large part (one of many) of what makes the
group attractive to us (certainly to me, anyway).

Hint: lots of things that get discussed on soc.motss bore me. I don't
argue about whether they "belong" here, I just skip over 'em. And in
the process, my eye is sometimes caught by something that's more
interesting than I thought it was going to be.

Second hint: this is true for just about everyone, but everyone's set
of "boring" stuff is different.

There is a small set of topics that, by general agreement, do *not*
belong here -- see the FAQ. Everything else is fair game.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rcrice@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (roger.w.crice)
Subject: A Taste of Culture
Keywords: Gay food 
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:30:21 GMT

One of the things I like about this forum is that in spite
of threads like the "Mother Speaks" and "Fernandez" discus-
sions, somebody usually posts something laugh-out-loud funny
at least once a day.  We have a lot of creative people here.

So, I need some creative suggestions:  The Affirmative
Action committee here at my office hosts on occasion an
event they call "A Taste of Culture."  In fact we're having
one today.  For "A Taste of Culture," we are encouraged to
bring in foods from different cultures, provide the recipe
and a little explanation about the dish and/or its place of
origin.  This event is meant to encourage an awareness and
appreciation of cultural diversity within the workplace.  

When I first heard about this, I thought to myself What
sort of food could I share with my coworkers that would
represent *my* culture?  All I could think of was canape's
and cocktails.  When I read a note from the event coordinator
asking everyone to please consider bringing in a *dish*, I
thought Well, I just *have* to ask the good folks at
soc.motss about this.  After all, we have been accused of
being among the Cultural Elite.

So, how about it?  Is there any food that truly represents
queer couture?  Does anyone have a favorite "dish?"

Thanks in advance for your ideas,
Roger Crice
AT&T, "An Equal Opportunity Employer"
Cincinnati, Ohio
rcrice@att.com (I guess)
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Alma Gluck and other stuff
Date: 15 Dec 1992 21:16:45 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Dec16.003446.3060@panix.com> 
mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) describes someone 
> (now deceased) that he used to know:
>  >who was probably the single nastiest,
>  >most opinionated opera queen who ever lived.

I received mail from someone who knew Brian better than I did, 
and under quite different circumstances, and I would like to 
set the record straight and point out that he could indeed be 
warm and friendly.  He just wasn't like that around me.  

>  > He makes me look like Mara.
>
> It's a stunning image.  If you've seen my gif you'll find it even
> stunning-er.

Ooops!  I suppose it is a stunning image.  (I've resisted looking 
at gifs, but I recall the descriptions of you "sunning" at the con.)

> Mara [the anti-Queen]
> (not to be confused with Auntie Queen)

Arne (don't confuse me with Auntie Queen either)
From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Is it actually 10%??
Date: 19 Dec 1992 21:07:45 GMT
Organization: Colorado Springs IT Center
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com

cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu (cbe) writes:
> Sorry.....as I've said before I believe it is *your* kind of Christian
> who is just as much of a problem as the fanatical fundies.  Were those
> Christians of your persuasion to vocally and visibly counter the 
> teachings of the fundies for the hate and non-christian cant that you 
> believe it to be, it would have much effect.  With vigorous and 
> vehement opposition from the mainstream christians, I believe the 
> fundies would be hard-pressed to continue their venomous tactics.  

What you need to understand about that is, most 'mainstream' Christians 
are not into "vigorous and vehement opposition", in either direction.
Also, most 'mainstream' Christians that I know hold the view that 
homosexuality is disapproved of in the scriptures.  And no matter how 
much these  'mainstream' Christians say they think people should be 
free to do what people want to, and that they have no desire to 
'convert' homosexuals into hetrosexuals, they are still likely to 
get bashed in this forum for not coming out as 'approving' of 
homosexuality.  They're told that tolerance and 'live-n-let-live' 
just isn't good enough.  

> But
> it is the complicity of the "fairly quiet" Christians whose great 
> subtility is allowing the fundies to project themselves as *the* 
> interpreters of protestant christianity.

Yes,I can see where that could be the case.  Because they choose to 
make themselves that, doesn't mean people should listen; most people 
don't think the way they do. 

> Unless mainline Christians stand up and fight for what *they* believe 
> to be the message of their faith, Christianity will continue to earn a
> bad name.

Keep encouraging, and maybe it'll happen.  The clearer things can be 
made, the more likely it'll happen. 

Walter

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mls@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (mike.siemon)
Subject: Re: That dead horse
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:11:06 GMT
Summary: did someone mention Rosa Luxemburg?

In article <1gb4srINNei@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
writes:

> I was right the first time.  The mass deportations were
> in 1919, when J. Edgar was but an eager beaver at Justice.

Hmmm; that's *bit* earlier than my (leaky!) memory suggested,
but entirely plausible.  That *was* the campaign that "made"
Hoover's reputation, and almost killed left-wing politics in
America (it struggled on especially in the NY Jewish community
through the Depression and gradually petered out, with just
a few traces remaining to feed into the evanescent "New Left"
of the 60s.
-- 
Michael L. Siemon		   "Oh, stand, stand at the window,
					As the tears scald and start;
mls@panix.com			   You shall love your crooked neighbor
(please note address)			With your crooked heart."
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: When Lesbians Kiss
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:21:36 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1992Dec16.203848.4079@dvorak.amd.com> tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett) writes:
>In article <1gmm2cINNfar@roche.csl.sri.com> kmac@cisco.com (Karl MacRae) writes:
>	
>> "Whenever lesbians kiss, another angel gets it's wings..."
>
>I thought this was a cool thing, too... Roseanne and Tom like to 
>play with the bigots.  It's soooooo great!

Yep.  That's the advantage of have a top hit show.  You can generally
do what you want.

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Legos
Date: 15 Dec 92 09:21:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Dec15.092102.635
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <manz.724404271@ee.ualberta.ca> manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz) writes:
>You can do that with the new Lego Technical sets.  Build cars
>with working transmissions and rack and pinion steering.

and if you're a lego technoqueer, you can put an on-board processor on
your Lego Techincal car and wire up some sensors and some motors to be
under the control of the computer. It was originally called
"Lego/Logo", although when I played with it I was programming my legos
in C.  I think it's being used to teach kids some basic artificial
life type things.  It was the most fun part of Alife-III, playing with
those legos :-)
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                         I can live forever in formaldehyde
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Subject: Re: Bookstores (was Re: Pittsburgh, Pa)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:59:42 GMT
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD - MWTD) - Santa Rosa, Ca.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.9 PL6]

Melinda Shore (shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu) wrote:
> 
> Around most universities you'll find a number of good,
> often quirky, bookstores.  I really liked 57th St. Books in
> Chicago (strong collections in areas where the University
> has strong departments)...

You mean Woodworth's? 

Mike Drayton      mdrayton@sr.hp.com       Hewlett-Packard Co.
                                           Santa Rosa, California
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: A reply to Mr. Pierce (was Re: PHOBE ALERT: That XX Louis Sheldon...)
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:40:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.173128.7836@wolves.Durham.NC.US> wolfe@wolves.Durham.NC.US (G. Wolfe Woodbury) writes:

>(I doesn't help that I've been getting around to reading motss at 1 and 2 am
>in the mornings!)

Apparently not.  The acid rising in your throat seems to give rise to
lots of "political correctness" burps all over the place.  Have a
glass of warm milk, then we can talk.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rhiann@carson.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld)
Subject: Why don't straight people wear genitalia?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:59:39 GMT

My SO, granola babe that she is (no we *don't* have anything
in common, thanks for asking), makes a lot of jewelry with genitalia
on it.  I have some beautiful pins, and a necklace with a hanging
labia, with a little clit at the top -- very nice.  (Before you ask,
no, they *don't* look like flowers...)

She also sells very nice penises as pins and necklaces.

Now, these are pretty good sellers in the GLBO* market, but I have
never seen a straight person wearing genitalia; their own genders, or
that of the gender to which they are attracted.

Why?

Posters who respond, Why ask Why?  will be shot...

Sandy
(Really, its Sandy, not Sandra.  Why won't SETENV chg this I ask the UNIX
Goddess in the sky?  She says, go back to your homework and quit posting, NOW!)