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From: smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead)
Subject: Re: Okay, how do you tune?
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:29:16 GMT

A couple other notes on tuning to add to Doug and Mike's hints:

   If you're using a new head, stand or sit on it after you've mounted it
and have the lugs very finger-tight. I weigh about 130, so I can gently
bounce on it without ripping tension rods out or cracking my shells. This
really, really helps to avoid having to retune it during the first few
days of playing on it.

   Try to tune only by tightening the lugs. On most drums, loosening a lug
causes the head to just sit there for a while without de-tuning. Then, when
you've been playing on it for a while, it'll de-tune. So, if you need to
tune a head lower (or just a lug), tune it down say a half turn before
tightening it back up a quarter turn.

Lots more info can be found in the file I put together at the drum list's
ftp site. It's called tune-guide.txt or something like that.

Muff
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From: martin@cs.curtin.edu.au (Martin Dougiamas)
Subject: Paul Weller's drummer
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:23:23 GMT

Who did the drumming for Paul Weller's recent single, "Uh huh, Oh yeah"?

It's real catchy.  *That's* the sound I want to be able to get!

Martin
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From: hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm (Evil Spock))
Subject: Flame bait ?  Oil in drum heads.
Organization: Ocean Sciences Centre
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:52:18 GMT


	Well, flame me if you can convince me that pinstripe heads
	(aka oilskins ?) actually have oil in them, but I don't 
	believe it.  

	If you want to call them 'oilskins', I have no problem with 
	that, just don't tell me they contain oil.  : )

	Sadly, my drums have been dormant for too long, but I have 
	pinstripe heads on the toms.  I have never seen oil in them,
	or in my friends pinstripe heads.  Can you imagine the backlash
	Remo (et al.) would get if they made such heads, and drummers had
	all this CRAP (oil) dripping into their shells!

	What you see when looking at the 2 ply pinstripe heads
	is an optical effect called interference.  The spacing between
	the 2 plys in the translucent material is close to the 
	wavelength of visible light.  Let's just say it's small.
	As light reflects back and forth between the two layers
	it undergoes phase changes each time.  Depending on the spacing
	between the layers, certain wavelengths (colours!), at any particular
	spot, may reach your eyeball.  Since the spacing between the 
	2 plys varies across the surface, you see what LOOKS like oil.
	You see all those pretty colours, because you have a whole whack
	of different spacings between the 2 plys.  Hope this is semi-clear
	at least.  

	There is an effect called 'Newtons Rings' based on the same principle.
	Anyhow, it's sometimes a concern in optical applications, and there
	is such a thing as 'anti-Newton glass'.

	I contend that these drum heads do NOT contain oil. 

	Send me the documentation, or broken drum head to prove me wrong!!

	Live to Flame, Flame to Live.

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From: hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm (Evil Spock))
Subject: Re: WHAT oil choice in drum heads?
Organization: Ocean Sciences Centre
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 00:14:09 GMT

In article <79529@hydra.gatech.EDU>, mhopper@cerl.gatech.edu (Michael A. Hopper) writes:
|> In article <C0IA69.EML@news.ucs.mun.ca> hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm (Evil Spock)) writes:
|> >
|> >	SO, the new question is:
|> >
|> >	What oil do you prefer, Shell, Esso, Exxon, Mobil, Penzoil ?
|> >
|> >	What weight of oil do most drummers prefer, 20W 50, 10W 40 ?
|> >
|> >	FLAME ON!!  MAY THE BEST TORCH WIN.     : )
|> 
|> I suggest that anyone interested in whether Evans makes heads with oil in
|> them, go to a local percussion store and talk to the salesmen or buy one.
|> I first saw these heads in about 1983.  I've been using them ever since.
|> I just bought two Evans bass drum heads, but these are not the hydralic
|> (oil filled) ones because I needed these for the non-batter sides of the
|> bass drums.
|> 
|> Also, the oil in the heads is clear and probably a very thin weight.  There
|> is not very much oil their either.  Just enough to provide a consistent
|> layer between the 2 plies of plastic.  Nothing like what is suggested above.
|> 
|> Enough said.
|> 
|> -Mike
|> 
|> 
	I suggest you learn to recognize a joke.  Note smiley in above
	post.  Geeeesh.

	
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From: uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: Okay, how do you tune?
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:02:29 GMT

In <79264@hydra.gatech.EDU> mhopper@emperor.gatech.edu (Michael A. Hopper) writes:


>NOTE:	Always adjust lugs by alternating every other lug.  In other
>	words, if you were to number the lugs clockwise:  1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,
>	then you would adjust the lugs in this order: 1,3,5,7,2,4,6,8.

To Derek especially:  there's something I forgot.....

But, actually, the "best way" :) that I've heard and always followed was
to tune lugs opposite each other.  In other words....

6-lug:  1, 4, 2, 5, 3, 6
8-lug:  1, 5, 3, 7, 2, 4, 6, 8
10-lug: 1, 6, 2, 7, 4, 9, 3, 8, 5, 10

.....which helps to keep the tension on the head more evenly distributed.

And I won't *even* go into how to tune the Tama 11-lug snare.  :)

>	texture of the drum sound.  Use thinner heads (such as pinstripe) 

Um, PinStripes are probably Remo's thickest head (what was the thickness?
1.4mm?  Well, twice as thick as an Ambassador, which is "average").  A
"thinner" head would more likely be something like a Diplomat.

>	Pinstripe and silver dot heads sound good tuned very tight.

I have my PinStripes tuned 1/2 turn tighter than finger-tight, which is
a *lot* looser than how I used to have it (somewhere between 1 1/2 and 2
full turns, maybe even more), and I think they sound *much* better now.
It's all a matter of preference.


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From: mhopper@emperor.gatech.edu (Michael A. Hopper)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: Flame bait ?  Oil in drum heads.
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:30:58 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering Research Lab, Georgia Tech.


I can't believe so many people have never heard of Evans and oil filled heads.
I don't think that all the heads that Evans makes are oil filled.  But some
definately are, and they are appropriately named "hydralic" (as was mentioned
in another article).  

Evans heads come in many colors too.  Neil Peart was using Evans heads when
he had a red drum set with red heads.  I think they were the hydralic kind.
I could read the Evans label on the heads in one of the live concert videos. 

Also, Remo pinstripe heads are NOT oil filled, they ARE two-ply.  I don't
think anyone claimed they were oil filled but this could have been inferred
from one of my previous articles.

-Mike

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From: craigman@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Craig Anderson)
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in tuning comments from a real pro? (i.e. not I)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:46:30 GMT

	
	I think it would be a good idea to post  Gene's opinion (knowledge) to
help clear up some of the discrepencies of tuning.  Not that there is *one*
way to tune a drum, we all differ in preference.  Maybe Gene's input can help
explain advantages/problems with different tuning techniques.

craig

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From: ewm@cbnews.cb.att.com (edward.w.mcfarland)
Subject: Re: SR...not?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:31:10 GMT

In article <1i5unoINN8uu@network.ucsd.edu> mbreen@sdacs.ucsd.edu (Michael Breen) writes:
>In article <1992Dec30.202005.9806@ac.dal.ca> cullen@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>
>>Thanking god that he has only been asked to do SR for a Pipe Band once,
>>and had the eminent sense to leave the PA off. Got compliments, too!
>[this is really only the sig attachment]
>
>This reminded me of the time I was running sound for a reggae band.
>It was about the third time I'd run them, and after a little "professional"
>convincing, I had their stage volumes just so.
>I eventually turned off all the channels except the vocals.
>They sounded better with drums, two gits, kbds, bass, and trumpet acoustic
>than they ever did with everything reinforced.
>
>I got compliments all night, from band and customers.
>
>Michael Breen
>singing and philosophizing
>(yes...I could hear the customers!  Amazing, huh?)

This thread brings up what I often run into and I'm wondering if it is just
me or the drummers I run into...  In most clubs I've worked, with most of the
drummers I've worked with, I rarely have to have much if any snare drum 
reinforced because I find that drummers hit the snare too hard for the level
that they are playing the rest of their kit at... they absolutely SMASH the
snare to point of PAIN spl.  It sounds a little strange, depending on the
room, to have everything coming out of the foh speakers execept the snare,
unless you have previous rapport with the group to get 'em to modulate their
stage volume appropriately. Perhaps a bit of delay on the whole mix to put it
in phase with the snare sound in the room?


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From: smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead)
Subject: Re: Beginner - practice pad?
Keywords: drums practice pad beginner tuning
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:31:27 GMT

tanswell@ug.cs.dal.ca (Ron Tanswell) writes:

>Someone suggested to me that I buy some sticks and a practice pad.  So I did;
>I bought 2 sticks and a Remo Tunable Practice Pad.  Now that I have it,
>I really don't know what to do with it.

   Like someone mentioned, consider taking lessons to learn the proper grips
and striking techniques. You should also buy beginning snare books to develop
independence, reading, and rudiments. By far, the most important aspect is to
learn proper grips so you aren't screwing up your wrists and technique by
holding the sticks like a hammer.
   After your grip is second nature, practice the hell out of rudiments like
single- and double-stroke rolls, flams, ruffs, and paradiddles. These are
the basis for most set playing.

>Oh yeah, and with this tuning thread, why would anyone want to tune a
>practice pad?

   Because some drummers prefer loose, sloppy feeling heads while others
like the response of a tight head. They're tunable so you can replace the
head if you break it. They have heads so they feel as close to a real drum as
possible - unlike rubber pads.
From: mafu@sbustd.rz.uni-sb.de (Markus Fuenfrocken)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: Beginner - practice pad?
Date: 9 Jan 1993 17:05:35 GMT
Organization: Studenten-Mail, Rechenzentrum Universitaet des Saarlandes
NNTP-Posting-Host: sbustd.stud.uni-sb.de

tanswell@ug.cs.dal.ca (Ron Tanswell) writes:
> Although I have only sat behind a drum kit twice, I have always wanted
> to learn how to play.  So, I am planning on taking drum lessons this year.
> 
> Someone suggested to me that I buy some sticks and a practice pad.  So I did;
> I bought 2 sticks and a Remo Tunable Practice Pad.  Now that I have it,
> I really don't know what to do with it.
> 
> Are there any exercises or "things" that I can do with it to help me before I
> get into lessons?  For that matter, what use is it during lessons?
> I realize that it is useful for getting a feel for stick bounce, and that it
> is a quiet drum, but is that it?
> 
> Oh yeah, and with this tuning thread, why would anyone want to tune a
> practice pad?
> 
> Thanks,
> 	-Ron.
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From: jpittas@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.pittas)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion,rec.music.marketplace
Subject: WANTED: 18" Pearl Bass Drum
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:49:19 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T


A drummer friend of mine is looking for an 18" Pearl (the company,
not the color) bass drum.  He's trying to put together a small
kit for club dates and is having a hard time finding one.  He
prefers a white drum, but will consider other colors.  It must
be a newer model drum so that his existing hardware fits with
it.  If you have one you'd like to sell, or if you know where
he can find one at a reasonable price, drop me a line.  Thanks
in advance.

John Pittas
jjp@mink.att.com
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From: craigman@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Craig Anderson)
Subject: Re: Flame bait ?  Oil in drum heads.
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:56:17 GMT

	I gotta side with evil spock here.  Being the physics geek that I am I
can tell Craig's got a little more refined geek in him (no offense).  I think
that there may actually be an oiled head out there somewhere, made by Evans. 
It's a blue thing which is way thick.  I seem to remember playing with it (in
the store, that is - they were way out of my price range when I saw them 10
years ago) and chasing the rings around the inside of the two membranes.  I
seem to remember them seperating a bit when squeezed just right.  The
diffraction pattern Craig mentions would not occur unless the two membranes
were in contact (right, spock?).  My teacher told me it was oil, though
whether she was misinformed or pulling my leg, it's far too late for me to
tell now, and I haven't seen the heads since.

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From: ysg1202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Yaz Shehab )
Subject: For Sale - MIDI Equipment
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:19:03 GMT


For Sale 


Kawai   K4r  Tone Module				$325.00
	Additive type Synthesis, 16  Bit PCM,
	9 Part Multi-timbral, Individual Outs

Yamaha  RX-5  Drum Machine 				$300.00
	100 Sounds, fully editable, 24 pads, Indiv. Outs, 
	1 Ram, 1 Rom Cartridges

Yamaha  QY-10  Portable Sequencer/ Tone Generator	$275.00
	8 Trk, 8 Part Tone Generator, 24 voice Polyphony
	Size of a VHS Tape

Voyetra V24-S  PC-MIDI Interface  			$150.00
	2 In, 4 Out/ Ports, SMPTE Read/ Write

TOA     KD-2  Keyboard Amplifier           		$300.00
	100 Watts, 15" Driver, 1 horn, 4 In, Eq and Reverb,
	XLR and Phantom power on Ch 1

Akai    AR-41  Stereo Receiver				$75.00
	45 watts/ channel


ALL EQUIPMENT IN EXCELLENT SHAPE, AND WITH MANUALS

CONTACT SHEHAB@CMP-RT.MUSIC.UIUC.EDU
From: U30480@uicvm.uic.edu (PAUL LEDDY)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Drummer wanted in Chicago
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:38:50 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

Drummer wanted to play in a band that plays original material.

Alternative band with influences ranging from R.E.M, U2, Pearl Jam, Stone
Roses, Charlatan's UK, Ned's Atomic Dustbin, plus more, are looking for a
drummer who is eager to show freedom in making drum parts to original
songs.  If you have questions or if you are intersted, you can contact me
through e-mail or by phone.  The telephone number is (312) 850-2228, ask for
either Paul or Brian.
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From: doug@justdoit.ingr.com (Doug Harbord)
Subject: For Sale: 6pc. DblBass PureCussion set
Reply-To: doug@justdoit.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:41:06 GMT

Part Number lists as NE-024622 from Purecussion.
These are shell-less drums that are mounted via RIMs. 

This set includes the following:

2 - 20" bass drums
2 - Tama bassdrum pedals
1 - 10" tom 
1 - 12" tom
1 - 14" tom 
1 - 16" tom
4 - cymbal stands 

The toms all have new Remo clear ambassador heads. The bassdrums have the 
original black Evans Uno Glass heads. Everything is in great shape. This is a 
chrome set, not black paint.

Lists for $1665. Can be mail ordered for $995 with two less cymbal stands and
no BD pedals. 

Asking $600 for everything. 

Will include a new Pearl double braced snare stand for an extra $45

You pay shipping!

If you would like to see this set, mail me and I will send you a GIF file
to view.

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From: spf@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Steve Frysinger of Blue Feather Farm)
Subject: Re: "My first set," sort of... ideas?
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:14:14 GMT

From article <1993Jan3.201418.26785@midway.uchicago.edu>, by dlg1@quads.uchicago.edu (deborah lynn gillaspie):
> Any suggestions for a first set to play jazz and bop (as opposed to
> metal and other things that require big racks...)? My guess (as a beginner)
> would be an 18" or 20" bass, with a snare, mounted upper tom or two, 
> and a ride cymbal and hi-hat as the minimum. Added could be a floor tom
> and a crash? What do you think of as a minimum set for jazz and bop? Any

Some of the best drummers of this style could cook with a bass, a high-hat,
and a snare.  But it's more fun to have some cymbals and toms.  I started
with a 22" bass (ca 1940 Slingerland) I bought for $15.  I put an 8x12 tom
on top and bought a 20" Zildjian (sp?) ride.  Bought a used highhat with
14" (top) and 13" (bottom), and a used Ludwig snare.  This kit got me going
very effectively.  I saved up for, in order, a 16x16" floor tom, 16" sizzle
crash, and then a second upper tom (9x13) with a set-o-matic 2-tom holder.
Beyond upgrading to new bass and highhat pedals, and a 10" splash I received
as a gift, that's my current set.  It's done great for everything from
straight-ahead and bop, big band, fusion, and jazz-rock.  Sometimes I think
it's a little dated, but it's an old friend and still does the job.

Steve Frysinger
From: rasas@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Greg Patten)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: Okay, how do you tune?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 02:55:06 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
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Originator: rasas@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU

dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca (Derek K. Miller) writes:

>Okay, this is somewhat embarrassing, but I've been a semi-professional
>drummer for almost four years (currently playing in both a 60's cover
>band and an original group), and, being self-taught, I never quite figured
>out how to tune drums properly. I know what sounds I like, but I've never
>nailed down getting them to a science.

There is no science and (IMHO) many different techniques for tuning drums.
I've been pro. for a few years now and alot of my friends who have been
playing alot longer than I have horrible sounding kits.

Two things to do: 1. Find someone with a kit that sounds good to you
and ask them how they tuned it and 2. Mail me if you want a more detailed
approach as I'd hate to start a "no-that's-not-how-you-do-it-cos-*I*-tune-
my-top-an'-bottom-heads-in-thirds-and-it-sounds-better-than-that-stupid-way"
(for example) flame war.

[.sig deleted]

>(Slinking off into a corner.)

No need to do that at all...Very legit question. Infact I'm as interested
as you in the answers you receive.

Cheers,

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From: jmf@gdwb.oz.au (Jamie Forssman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: >Anyone interested in tuning.
Date: 12 Jan 93 04:49:30 GMT

>Say, now that I think of it, Gene D'Amico, who writes the drum care
>column for Drum! magazine, is a friend of mine. He builds custom drums,
>and has a shop in Fremont. Maybe I can get him to write a little blurb
>on "tuning tips," since the science (or is it an art?) of tuning is
>such a mystery- shrouded activity to so many of us (myself included).
>Or at least I can go over there, hit him up for a tuning lesson, and
>post the results. Would anyone be interested in something like this?
 
>Drop me some e-mail...
 
> -Doug

	Do it and post it you bum! :-)
From: drums@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (robert.e.wisnack.jr)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: KicKat Price
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:41:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories


As I posted earlier I said I would report back about
how much I paid for the KicKat.  The sales person
quoted me a price over the phone at $110.00.  Some
people replied this couldn't be correct.  I started 
thinking they may be right.  How can they sell it 
for 110.00 and everyone else at 179 and higher.
So on Saturday I went to the store and asked to see it.
I also told him the salesperson on the phone told me
it was $110.00, I asked him to make sure.  Sure enough
when I took it to the counter he asked me (again) 
what price was I told, then he rang it up.  $110.00 + tax.
I also purchased the Alesis D4 there for $325.00.  Has 
anyone seen that at a lower price ??  

The stores name is Russo Music - Trenton N.J.
 609-888-0620

for those interested.

Happy New Year
Bob

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