From: crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea)
Subject: Re: The story of the Scottish flag
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 16:29:38 EST

In article <ljeqi1INNf2@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael) writes:
>From article <1992Dec21.173822.8195@newstand.syr.edu>, by crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea):
>> 
>> Oh get off it! Whose monarchical family rules Britain? Where is 
>
>Hanover's you ignorant sod.
By that argument, so does France's, Wales', Scotland, Germany's...I could go
on but that would be ridiculous, like your answer. The royal family of
the United Kingdom sits atop a throne founded by Cedric of Wessex, if 
you must know. Wessex is in southern England. 


>
>> Parliament? Why were the Scots joining English trading firms in 
>> the 16th-17th centuries? Why did they emigrate to ENGLISH America?
>                                                    ^^^^^^^
>Under a SCOTTISH king, yet!

That doesn't change the point. William III was a Dutch prince and stadtholder
of the United Netherlands; did that make Massachusetts a Dutch colony, or
Ireland a province of the Netherlands? Westminster and Whitehall 
administered the empire in the name of the Crown of England.

>
>> Name me a single Scottish, Welsh or Irish colony in the New World 
>> administered in the name of Scotland, Wales or Ireland! What language 
>
>Iceland (before the Norse conquored them). That 1 more than was
>administered in the name of England.  All of the colonies in the western
>hemisphere were founded and administered in the name of the BRITISH
>crown (with the SCOTTISH king, remember).

Untrue. There was no state called Britain before 1707. There was no
empire in Britain save England's. If you have really been following
this thread and not just browsing through to flame me you would have
known this. If you want proof please see Stephen Saunders Webb,
_The Governors-General_, an excellent source on the ENGLISH empire
(pre-1707).

By the way, are there any records stating that Iceland was a SCOTTISH
colony, run in the name of the SCOTTISH king? If they exist I
would love to know about them. Otherwise, Scotland takes
its
place in line alongside Ireland. After all, St. Brendan supposedly
went there. 

>
>> is spoken in the halls of government in any of these places? I 
>
>It is generally considered that the purest form of the English language
>is lowlands Scots.

Uh, by whom? Please be more specific when you refer.
>
>> agree that Gaelic in Scotland is still spoken, but how many Scottish
>> Parliamentarians spoke on Gaelic? No one can possibly argue the
>> dominance of England over the other three UK realms. 
>
>Ah, yes.  England has dominated the Union, but nowhere near as
>completely as you imagine.

Mmm. Yes. How many times did they raze Scotland? Along with Ireland? 
I seem to recall Scotland rising up to fight for the two Pretenders, 
Young and Old alike, and for James II in 1689-90. Guess we know who
won that struggle, hmm?

I admire your patriotism but where are your facts? I study the 
formation of English hegemony and empire. That is what this is about. 
Despite my feelings for my mother country I must realize that Ireland
and the rest of the Celtic world got the shaft. Check out Nicholas
Canny in _Strangers Within the Realm_, by Bailyn & Morgan.