From: Kamchatka Charlie
Subject: Re: A suggestion for rec.food.recipies
Organization: Psychosis Unlimited International
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 18:11:52 GMT

Michael Traub writes:
>Kamchatka Charlie writes:
>>Michael Traub writes:
>>>I  really  wonder  why  we  keep  getting  this  sort  of  thing. This is a
>>>newsgroup  for  *vegetarians*.  If  meat eaters want to read it fine, its a
>>>free  net,  but  please  remember  if  we consider meat eating intolerable,
>>>that's *our* problem.
>>     I have no problem with considering meat eating intolerable.  It's the
>>constantly recurring idea that MILK is intolerable.  Why is it that
vegetarians
>>feel the need to segregate themselves in an isolative world and constantly
push
>>up their relative self-esteem by constantly flaming those who happen to eat
>>meat?
>>
>Make up your mind, is it milk or meat you have the problem with. If it's milk
>then why don't you recommend a rec.food.vegan? If its meat why don't you go
>somewhere else?
     You misread my posting [but then, it wasn't very clear to begin with 8+( ]
 I said my problem was (amongst other items) with people who constantly dictate
to other people that MILK is an evil substance and should be avoided at all
cost.  Lest you forget, the recent spat of flamewars on r.f.v started when
nonvegans started standing up to the vegans who were trying to dictate to the
newsgroup what their diet should be.
     And NO I will not suggest a rec.food.vegan.  I have no trouble with vegans
on r.f.v and believe that rec.food.veg is where the vegans should exist.
>
>>>We  don't  need  you to tell us we are intolerant, we know we are, and most
>>>of us are quite happy being intolerant.
>>     Also cliquish, provencial, and fossilized as well.
>>
>And loving it.
     And those of us who don't love it are forced to chafe along with it.
     (Before you suggest unsubscribing from r.f.v; let me say that I like this
newsgroup and find it interesting.  What I DON'T like is the "You don't fit the
rec.food.veg mode; therefore you are not welcome." atmosphere you wish to shove
onto r.f.v.)

>>Tell me; do you wish vegetarianism to be considered a religious cult?
>
>It already is, and I have no desire to change the minds of the ignorant.
     Okay, so tell me your gods, your catechisms, your initiations, what it
takes for join your religion.  Maybe many more of us want to join in.  You
never know; as long as you keep turning r.f.v into a closed club.

...

>Anyway no one is stopping you from posting to rec.food.recipes. I haven't
>seen any copyrights on any of the recipes posted here, so snarf them all
>if you wish and post them to rec.food.recipes. If you think this will
>be a worthwhile venture, good for you, I wish you luck in your endeavour.
     So start posting the recipies here...I'll be waiting....

...

>How long have you been reading this newsgroup? Every week I hear someone
>state that we are a bunch of intolerant ignoramuses, and half the time
>this is coming from vegetarians preaching to each other!
     I have been reading this newsgroup for a year now.  When I first logged
on, the vegans were dictating the discussion on the net.  Then came the
reaction to the dictatorship of the vegans.  Then someone said her SO was
giving counterarguements to her arguements for being a vegetarian WHICH BROUGHT
ON SOME SUGGESTIONS THAT SHE CASTRATE HER SO (this was before HE came on the
net, mind you.)  In recent history there was a person bemoaning his/her fate in
having to deal with meateaters, and now discussion on dividing the newsgroup to
separate the discussion (which I like; after all I'm not under the illusion
that vegetarianism is merely a dietary choice) from the recipies.  I've yet to
hear anyone suggest that people here actually eat meat for once (and I'm not
suggesting it here) NOR have I heard eggs considered acceptable vegetarian food
(and I'd hate to see the flamewars that would arise should this come up as a
topic).

>Did I say I would like more vegetarians?
     No; I said I would like more vegetarians.  That you consider the status
quo as acceptable is okay, but I would like to be able to go into any town in
the United States (or the world for that matter) and find the local McD's
closed down from lack of business, two or three vegetarian chain resturaunts
taking its place, and a group of local resturaunts with the local variety of
vegetarian cuisine.

>>     1) Vegetarianism includes milk products as well.
>
>No, really? I didn't know that.
Believe it or not, some r.f.v regulars believe (my statement above) as fact.

>>     I hope that in your next life you're born as an Eskimo in Siberia.  If
>>then you can keep your vegetarian lifestyle intact, THEN you can be
intolerant
>>of everyone else.  ;+) ;+) ;+) ;+) ;+) ;+)
>
>Eskimos have shorter than average lifespans due to their high meat intake so
>it wouldn't be much of a life anyway.
     They also have lower LDL cholesterol levels than most vegetarians AND
probably the lowest heart attack levels in the world.  Would appear to be
something in the FISH that they eat...

kamchatka charlie
kamchar@ibm.cl.msu.edu
Organization: Senior, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA