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From: roy@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Astrology Discussion Topics No. 1
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:20:34 GMT
Organization: University of North Texas

Thanks Mark, for some astrologee talk.

> Roy
> ---
> Uses Placidus and Koch ; has found Placidus to be more accurate for him

One other way i have tested different house systems was with directions. You
direct the whole chart (except houses; but including the angles) by the solar
arc. When  directed planets touch within one degree orb the house cusps of
the natal chart expect something to happen. The way I did it was to apply this
technique to a few charts I know well (mine and family) with exact dates for
major events. I found that there were far more contacts to the Placidus cusps
than to any other system. It works for me, that is all!

 
> To those of you who don't rely on houses, can you tell us how you do
> interpretations of charts and where you focus your attention in the
> birthchart data?

There are many, many ways to read a chart. The "follow the houses" technique
is only one of them. Have you tried to read a chart with an eye only on 
the elements? What about utilizing despositors ad nausea? What about 
reading a chart by looking only at aspects and configurations? 

What about reading planets only (+angles)? Here is how it could be done.

You read the introduction (elements, qualities, distribution, Jones patterns,
etc), then you do the Luminaries by sign alone and forget the houses (except 
if they are within 15 degrees of an angle) plus all the aspects. Then you do
the personal planets just the same way (planets by sign, planet's dispositor by
sign; planet in aspects; and planet conjunct angles if such is the case),
and then the impersonal outer planets. This is the procedure I follow when I
doubt the accuracy of the intermediate houses or birth time.

To make it even more juicy what about reading the natal and progressed chart
hand in hand? Meaning you read two charts at the same time: the natal and 
the progressed together. You start with the introduction (you can for example
compare elements-natal with elements-progressed). The same for the 
luminaries, angles and planets that have moved significantly. This is my 
all time favorite technique for the not so young people; primarily 
post-Saturn-Return folks.

Regards,

Roy
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: same old same old - an apology for a mistaken post
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:51:13 GMT

lmpm@teal.csn.org (L. M. P. McPherson) writes:
>ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic) writes:
>>
>>Even easier - if you know why astrology *does not work*, then publish your
>>results - yes? Do you have any?
>>
>>Any response to the LONG posting about RESEARCHED correlations between
>>astronomical phenomena and human types, by L. McPherson? Did you read it?
>>Over in rec.org.mensa, it's still there - for the *mere reading* of it.
>>
>
> [Maggie's article follows]

I'll respond to your article further, Maggie, but I want to apologize
first for bashing Dave so hard - I cancelled the message you're replying
to. That was written to a Dave who was still not writing in response
to our mail - I could've sent him private mail but did not, and didn't
see that he had begun to reply. Much of what I wrote was using the image
of an unresponsive person and Dave is replying, below, I haven't read
it yet - I don't care. I only care that he engages in genuine conversation.
My message was not such as would bring that out. I don't want to hurt
Dave's feelings for no justifiable reason.

He may have a copy if he likes. I feel badly to be polishing my writing
at his expense, and hope few people received it.

Sorry. I've learned two things. (1) Bring yourself up to date in the mail
before you begin making replies. (2) If you have a question for an
individual, address it to them directly. This is supposedly my own
philosophy, and I violated it; I didn't mail Dave a request to respond,
so he wasn't aware there was anything here in the net to respond to,
unless he'd been in the net - and I didn't know that, I just assumed it.

That's the classic way I injure people, and it makes me feel badly.

I'd appreciate people not quoting from that article here. Dave's a
real person and I care about Dave. No-one deserves to be heaped on
so unfairly. All I ever wanted, growing up, was some chance. So
I ought to give Dave a chance.

Sorry, Dave, it's fun to grapple with you, but no fun if I hurt you
unfairly.
-ecsd

I might feel like sending it tomorrow, but this event teaches me to
look before I leap to strike - hurts done cannot be so easily undone.

Venus/Pisces/12 is crying . . .
From: Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: grand cross
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:24:55 GMT
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Organization: Brown University
NNTP-Posting-Host: cis_staff-kntx54.cis.brown.edu

In article <Bvv0vv.4uH@ora.com>, ellie@ora.com (Ellie Cutler) wrote:

> 
> Well, as someone with 7 cardinal planets, things are sure activating,
> speeding up and crashing around in my life!  At work, at home, in my
> music, emotionally, *everywhere*.  To help get through it all, I joined 
> Gold's gym (an Aries, after all...)
> 
> And, to add my .02 to the Mars discussion, I have known several Mars in
> Libra women, who attest to the "driving with the brakes on" description
> of that placement.   Myself, I get very irritable when Mars travels
> through Libra, as it hits all my cardinal planets with squares,
> oppositions, and a few conjuctions.  One year (back in 81 or so), it
> kept retrograding/directing and stayed in Libra for just about the
> whole year.  It was awful - I never felt a moment's inner peace.
> 
> I have Mars in Scorpio, which I find gives me an amazing physical
> stamina and survival instinct.
> 
> Glad to see some real astrology talk here for a change! 
> 
>  - Ellie
> 
> Aries:  Sun, Mercury, Jupiter (eternal optimist)
> Cancer: Moon, Uranus  (conjuct - a whopper!)
> Libra:  Saturn, Neptune (peace, love, and tie dye)
> 
> Venus in Pisces trine Mars in Scorpio (a nice mix)
> Pluto in Leo

Thanks for this most refreshing post. Your chart certainly is bouncy &
fresh!

  For me it broke up the grand cross on this list in which the players are
Casper the ghost and the Dynamic duo - what a miasma! It's like being in a
boxing ring with one fighter ducking with cold Saturnian judgements and the
other dripping Leo/Aqu arrogance. 

Perhaps the energy will change with Jupiter leaving Virgo and entering
lovely Libra - peace, harmony, balance in relationship - let's hope....

Just an aside....Jupiter has an easy cycle to reflect on - if you are going
to be influenced heavily by Jupiter in Libra, it's easy to look back 12
years and meditate/reflect on what your life was like at that time.  Think
of the release that may have happened; travel; relationship growth,
optimism.

Regards, Carol
From: gartrell@usc.edu (Fred Gartrell)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Horary (Need a helping hand at birth of event)
Date: 6 Oct 1992 22:12:56 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


I'm in the process of changing jobs and have a good opportunity to
get this new one.  I will be leaving a consulting practice for a
job in industry.

Anyway,  I have read several books about Horary Astrology in attempt
to determine what is the best date/time to use for the birth of the 
event.

The general consensus is that the birth is the point at which you
have a "burning" urge to get the answer.  Another says the moment
that you first think about it.  Other sources say the moment that
you ask your astrologer.  Well that is me, so when is that date.

I have run several charts at varying points of time and would like to 
discard some and keep others.  Realistically, I want the best chart
but that's cheating.  

I the opinion of those who believe in astrology, I ask what is your
feeling about the birth date/time of a Horary Chart.

Please email me, I get fewer and fewer chances to look at alt.astrology
as the busy days get busier.

Thanks in advance for all who reply.

gartrell@usc.edu

Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: General Characterstics Based On Sun Signs
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 06:59:29 GMT

senthils@netcom.com (Senthil Sankarappan) writes [list of cheeky sign interps]:

There is also Barbara Watters' "What's Wrong With Your Sun Sign". Delicious.
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: "jim kane" <jim.kane@canrem.com>
Subject: zodiac constellation
Reply-To: "jim kane" <jim.kane@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 12 Oct 92 10:03:01 EST

Tony Alicea replied;
TA>A small but powerful & knowledgeable: COSMOBIOLOGY. I've been with it
TA>far a *long* time. I am convinced that 'planetary pictures' and
TA>midpoints convey as much if not *more* insight into an interpretation
TA>of a chart... Ah, yes, I forgot Houses... Not needed in COSMOBIOLOGY.

    I read a little on this, I forget where. You don't use the houses,
    .... what about signs?

    Do you just use the planets angles to each other (aspects)?

    Certain angles must also refer to elements. Which is the water
    angle, 90 degrees?

    If you have time I would be interested in hearing more on
    Cosmobiology. Recommend any good books ?
                                               TTYL....
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Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: mgrable@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Marguerite Grable)
Subject: Pisces Wonders
Keywords: Pisces, Cancer, Romance
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA 
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:45:06 GMT


I am a Pisces, born March 20, 1968 at 12:38 pm in Los Angeles, CA.
How compatible am I with a Cancer born July 22, 1965 (time unknown)?

Also, I am not sure I am in fact a Pisces.  Can anyone help?
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: "jim kane" <jim.kane@canrem.com>
Subject: astrology discussion
Reply-To: "jim kane" <jim.kane@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:29:29 EST

Mark Carlson stated;
MC>Recently, some gave their response to the question of whether a planet
MC>that was in 29 degrees of a sign reflects the qualities of both signs in
MC>proximity to each other.

   A few books (which I can't find at the moment) call the 29th degree
   of a sign an "anaretic" (sp?) degree. It is suppose to be a critical
   or important degree because a person has the opportunity (or need) to
   assimilate the full potential (experience) of the sign indicated.
   This view sees the zodiac and individual signs as being processes.
   (BTW, I'm a Goat with Saturn in the 29th degree)

   For signs, I would think the "transition" between signs would occur
   within a minute or two, perhaps 29'59"01 - 29'59"59. Also, this
   transition would actually be a re-polarization (all life being based
   on polarity) of energies, from masculine to feminine, and back.
   Aries outgoing drive becoming Taurus's passive sensuality, becoming
   Gemini's active communication becoming Cancer's inward emotional
   emphasis.... and so on.

MC> As a follow-up to that question, what do people
MC>feel about the strength of a planet in 29 degrees with regards to
MC>progressions? Does the natal planet and sign still remain the most
MC>important factor throughout a persons life or does the fact that the
MC>planet progesses into the next sign weigh significantly of the
MC>interpretation of the chart.

   I would think that the 29th degree of a sign would indicate a
   life-long process of assimilation. Progressed charts are more
   symbolic and it's experiences are felt on different levels.
   We experience life on *many* different levels, often at the same
   time, and the chart just reflects this. I think of progressed charts
   as being very subjective and subtle, although not always. Transits
   to natal planets are often more objectively experienced.

   As an astrologer symbolicly looking at their own chart or someone
   else's, we can imagine how that person may reorientate their outlook
   as a planet, say, progresses into a new sign. But for someone who has
   not applied this "outlook" to their life, I think a lot of changes
   relating to progressions happen at levels that many are not all that
   conscious of.

   As well, any 29th degree planets would progress into the next sign at
   about the age of 1 ! A little young for noticeing any sort of
   reorientation. Interestingly, the next solar progression into another
   sign would be about the age of 30, which would coincide (approx.)
   with Saturns return.

MC> Of course we're going to all have
MC>different opinions about this,

    Of course!.....But mine is the only right one.       8^)
                                        ^^^^^
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Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: kehoe@netcom.com (Thomas David Kehoe)
Subject: Re: I'm starting to believe this...
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:32:30 GMT

The surveyor just finished, and the trees unfortuneatly
are just across the property line, so the neighbor is
free to cut them down.

All I can hope for is that I've gotten the neighbor to
think about the trees, and maybe realize that they block
his view of our house and our view of his house.

Back to astrology, I got a dozen or so requests for the
daily transit interpretations, so I'll transfer them to 
the Tasmanian ftp site, where everyone can access them.
-- 
"Why my thoughts are my own, when they are in, but when they are out
they are another's." - Susannah Martin, hanged for witchcraft, 1692.
Thomas David Kehoe          kehoe@netcom.com         (408) 354-5926
From: cg482@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Paquette)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Resource list
Date: 15 Oct 1992 10:44:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Would someone be so kind as to post (or E-MAILcg482) a copy of
the Resource list? I tried to send mail to M. Bulmer as 
directed in the Frequently Asked Questions but couldn't get thru.

I am new enough that either I am doing something wrong, or I just
don't know how to get thru the maze of nets. 

Many thanks, 
Linda
From: richardg@ssd.intel.com (Richard Griffiths)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Chart interpretation
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:58:47 GMT
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Divison, Intel Corp.

In article <Bw2KyG.5tI@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, wincerw@shrvsun1.cc.purdue.edu (Bill Wincer) writes:
|> 
stuff deleted ...

|> this complete interpretation done.  What I was wondering was do any of you know
|> where I can have a birth chart interpretation done around the Purdue area, or
|> if anyone out there would care to mail me an interpretation thereof.  As I said
|> I am interested and would like to begin studying astrology but I want to find 
|> out if it would just be a waste of time or if there is actually something to it.
Here is an inexpensive option.  A.I.T. does natal charts with full
interpretations for $12.  Send your date, time and place of birth along with
a check for $12 to:

	A.I.T.
	P.O. Box 6595
	Beaverton, OR 97007

The chart wheels are printed in color and are bound with approximately 25
pages of clearly written interpretation.

Hope this helps.

richard
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: kehoe@netcom.com (Thomas David Kehoe)
Subject: Re: Astrology Discussion Topics No. 1
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 16:23:10 GMT

When doing composite charts, Robert Hand says to use
Meridian houses (Astrolog -c 4).  I forget why, but
I've noticed some couples in love with more planets in
the 7th house with Meridian houses than in Koch houses.
-- 
"Why my thoughts are my own, when they are in, but when they are out
they are another's." - Susannah Martin, hanged for witchcraft, 1692.
Thomas David Kehoe          kehoe@netcom.com         (408) 354-5926
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher)
Subject: Mr Cern
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:22:33 GMT

I have just read a great deal of the bile directed at our friend Dave Casper.

When he told us about his parents it was in response to my posting on his
chart and in doing so Dave trusted us to treat the revealed information
gentley and carefully.  Instead it was used to spit insults and venom, it
was used as the basis of amatuer psychoanalysis and worst of all to imply
any number of projective disorders.

What a bunch of shits those who joined in the attack are.  It was in *good
faith* that Dave shared it with us and it should have been treated with kid
gloves.

How dare you bring his mother in to this?

Those who joined in the attack and who used this information should be ashamed
of themselves.  What childish, stupid, thoughtless, petty, viscous behaviour.
I do not know about the astrological aptitude of those who posted in the
 battle and used this information but I do know that they rank on the level
 of worms when it comes to thoughtfullness.


And finaly, for those of you who continue to show a complete lack of
 imagination ,ie those who keep asking "Why does he read this if he does not
believe in it",  I present an answer.

Because he would like to.


I may be wrong about that, I may be right about that, but he has the right to
post here and I for one welcome it.


Xavier Juan Gallagher.
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: "jim kane" <jim.kane@canrem.com>
Subject: computer chart inquiry
Reply-To: "jim kane" <jim.kane@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 16 Oct 92 08:43:11 EST

to: yumei@wam.umd.edu

YU>     I remember someone once gave a name and address of a place where one
YU>can get "beautiful" computer chart for about $25.  I regret not having
YU>written it down.  Could someone with the info. email me?  Thanks.

   Hi Yumei,

             I sell *beautiful* laser quality birthcharts, using Matrix
   software, for $10. It includes about 7 pages general explanations on
   planets, signs, houses, aspects (not interpretation).

   I also have 27 page computerized birth chart report, Astro*Talk, that
   includes interpretation for each planets sign and placement, as
   well as aspects between planets. It also has a section on present
   transits and a couple of other things. It sells for $20. If you're
   interested I will include the high-quality "designer" chart, as the
   report includes a simple, lower quality chart.

   I normally would not advertise here but a lot of people overcharge
   for these charts and reports. Closer to home, S.O.S. advertises in
   The Mountain Astrologer, it's a big company.

   Its phone number is (616) 796 - 0173.
   Address: P.O. Box 18
            Paris, MI, 49338.

   Need any more info., e-mail me.  Good Luck & Happy Reading,

                                     Jim Kane  (jim.kane@canrem.com)
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Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE)
Subject: Re: astrology and science
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:18:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.2501.2296@dosgate>, "jim kane" <jim.kane@canrem.com> writes...
> Here is a quote from an article Swiss physician Alexander Ruperti
> wrote in 1971, Kosmos.
>
> " Unfortunately, the scientific attitude has tended to increase the
> chaos at the psychological level, because it destroys the value of the
> individual and because the type of city and machine-controlled
> existance it has produced has also destroyed man's sense of
> particpation in the rhythm's of life and nature. 

Science has not destroyed/is not destroying the value of the individual.
Cities and urban life were not invented by science.  Our existence is not
controlled by machines.  I suppose agriculture and medicine are two other
evil deeds Ruperti forgot to mention.

> Modern man tends to forget that science's main concern is the establishment
> of collective laws for general appication only. The environment science
> offers to  man does not present him with any *human* meaning or purpose;
> merely cold, intellectual facts which are supposed to be unchangeable but
> which, from any long perspective, may easily change according to the
> rhythm of vast cosmic cycles."

What a bunch of garbage.  Science tells us we are one with and inseparable from
nature - that we are made of starstuff.  The Universe can be a source of almost
infinite wonder to minds willing to engage it.

> Science gives us knowledge, nothing more. 

What about food, shelter, energy, medicine, leisure time, intellectual
challenge and a sense of our place in the Universe (unfortunately not at its
center)?

> It has nothing to say concerning the why of the universe,

The first statement in the article I can agree with unreservedly...
Of course, astrology does not, to my knowledge, explain why the universe
exists either.

> and everything dealing with the understanding and the significance of
> individual human values and goals is outside its domain.... 

Mostly true.

> astrology's gift to mankind is its capacity to solve and explain that which
> science cannot and does not attempt to do.

"Angular Mars tends toward aggressiveness", "Sun in Virgo makes you analytical"
- this is no explanation of anything!

Astrology cannot even *explain* itself, much less anything else.

> We need more vision, more constructive imagination, if we would
> free ourselves from our present bondage to analytical and mathematical
> details, to statistical methods. The whole is always more than the sum
> of its parts and no collection of separate data, however complete, on
> the outward behaviour and characteristics of a person,  will ever
> reveal him as a living human being with a life purpose of his own."

.. but his time and place of birth will?  Please.


Dave
From: s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: MARS
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:45:14 GMT
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK

In article <1992Oct7.114423.17457@tfs.com> ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic) writes:
>s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes:
>
>>> Stacey writes:
>>>As a final comment, would you REALLY tell a client that a planet they had was in its
>>>fall? How useless! 
 

>>You do not go to a dentist to be lied to.  
>>Good news astrologers are like dentists who never give fillings.


>Yeah - but there's no point in giving disabling information.
>I read out of Isabel Hickey, for myself - Jupiter squared Saturn - is a
>"last chance" lifetime. I have Venus/Pisces/12 - I shat bricks for days,


Dentists fix things too y'know.
I was not suggesting that you knock your clients teeth out and then break their
 jaws.  I was just saying that Good News astrologers are basically *dishonest*.
It is unpleasant but true.  You can slant the information but calling good good
and calling bad good is just a load of rubbish.

Oh,and by the way, if your client doesn't like having his/her questions
answered they really shouldn't ask them. If you pander to them you become just another
 paid 'yes'man.

well. Thats what I think.

Xave.
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Saturday, 10 Oct 1992 13:41:28 EDT
From: <IK20050@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: QUESTION

Are someone born on April 5th, 1973 @ 11:02 pm in New York
and someone born on April 11th, 1972 @ 8:45 am in Allentown Pennsylvania
compatible?

I must know.....

Thanks to anyone who can answer this....I'm planning on
marrying him (4/5/73) very soon and I want to know if
it's a wise or stupid move.


Andie.