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From: kre@munnari.OZ.AU (Robert Elz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Aus v WI, end of day 3 (and into day 4)
Date: 5 Jan 1993 12:49:40 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
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Rain, and poor light caused the third day's play to be shortened by
136 minutes (in several breaks - play started about 5 mins late, then
lunch 5 mins early, and continues about another 35 minutes past when
it was supposed to stop).  AT hour was added to the scheduelled time
for play, but none of it got to be used, when rain fell again soon
after the (delayed) tea break.

Haynes went early, playing a forward defensive shot to Mathews, that
he dropped down from his bat, bounced between his legs, and rolled back
onto the stumps with just enough force to knock off the off bail.

After that, a great partnership between Lara and Richardson has basically
saved the game for W.I. - still unbroken (on the fourth day), is a record
third wicket partnership for the WI (anywhere apparently) and a record
third wicket partnership at the SCG (by anyone).

Lara brought up his 100 yesterday, Richardson is still there on 99,
partnership is around 220 (a bit more I think).   No, Richardson's
just made his 16th test century.

At stumps last night

Simmons		C Taylor b McDermott	  3		(the second day)
Haynes		B Matthews		 22
Richardson				 94
Lara					121
		Extras			  8
				2/	248


Now Richardson 100*, Lara 131*, extras 9, 2/265

None of the bowling figures are worth repeating, just about everyone
reasonable has bowled (incl both Waughs and Border).

90 mins were lost at the start of play today (more rain), there's
just 13 mins to go till lunch (outfield is still wet, so spin bowlers
won't like it much, just as they didn't yesterday, esp the finger
spinners).  Play can be extended till 19:00 tonight, if it remains
fine and there's enough light - not that it looks to matter much,
with just one day and 2 sessions left, and WI still just 2 down in
their first innings, but still 240 behind Aust, this game is a draw
already.

kre
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From: bnataraj@uceng.uc.edu (Bhaskar Natarajan)
Subject: Re: AZZA RETAINED
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 05:22:12 GMT

In article <1it77bINNl51@skat.usc.edu> ynesiah@skat.usc.edu (Yogala Nesiah) writes:
>
>The decision to retain Azhar for three games is a stupid move that
>could cause some serious problems.
>	* Azhar  is now under more pressure to perform and we know that he has
>	  not done well under pressure

  But it would be unfair that he be sacked w/o a chance at home. Just 
consider the performance of the batsmen over the last 2 yrs. and u'll
perceive that batsmen let Azza down pretty badly...and i'm not forgetting
Azza's performance. The batting display cannot be ascribed to captaincy.

>	* They should have either axed Azhar or kept him for the whole tour.
>	  If they decide to drop Azhar after the third game then the new capt
>	  would have a hard time building a cohesive team halfway through
>	   the series.  That would be an easier task before the series began.

  Somehow, i feel what the selectors did now was right. Azza certainly 
ought not to have been sacked and on the other hand we can't risk him for 
an entire series. Unfortunately i haven't seen Azza captaining for the 
last 2 yrs, so much of my opinions are conjecture.

>	* Azhar would find it rather awkward to play and give a 100% after
>	  being dropped in the middle of the series.

  I don't agree... i'd go so far as to suggest he'd come back w/ a bang.


>	* If somebody else in the team is jockying for a shot at the captaincy
>	  then it would be easier for him to undermine Azhar knowing that it 
>	  will hirt Azhar's chances and improves his chances of wearing the
>	  captain's badge.

  The only "somebody's" are Kapil and Shastri... and since Shastri was not
consideredfor the job (as per reports) it is unlikely he would sabotage Azza
at **this** instant, especially b'cos his position in the team itself is
very shaky indeed.

>	* This decision would also give Gavaskar more amunition to take pot 
>	  shots.  Gavaskar was a great batsman (one of the best) but he is
>	  a pompous ass off the field as is evident in his constant meddling
	  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  I sadly agree... anyway this is immaterial to the issue. Let Sunny think
and do what he pleases. IMO, if he really is interested, he should get 
himself an official position and do constructive work.... it's easy to sit
and find fault with many things in life, much tougher to actually do it...
the cliche aside, i don't like his "commercial, business-like" attitude.

>	  and sniping.. He is a lousy columnist.

>- Vasee

Cheers,
Bhaskar.. [Go Bearcats !!! NCAA Basketball 1993]
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Hi

I am looking for Sanjay Kalra. He was the opening batsman for Peterborough
County in England in the 80s. It seems he is studying nowadays somewhere
in the north-east of the US.
Any pointers will be appreciated.

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From: vaghela@laxatv.reo.dec.com (Umesh Vaghela)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Pak win by 33 runs - the swing demons do it again
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:01:56 GMT
Reply-To: vaghela@laxatv.reo.dec.com (Umesh Vaghela)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <kre.726504078@mundamutti.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz) writes:
|>> The spirit of this rule is to ensure sufficient action
|>> for the paying public
|>
|>That's the rationale, perhaps I'm a bit cynical, but I suspect the
|>real reason for the rule is to squeeze in enough advertising breaks
|>to keep commercial TV happy - each over is an advertising break
|>after all...

I should say thank god for the BBC....no ads....

(I would rather pay 80 odd pounds for ads free tv with descent progs
 then get brain washed by the ads.)

BBC... cricket at it's best.
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Subject: Pak vs WI. Update ....
From: hossain@latcs1.lat.oz.au ( )
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:24:56 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia


Pak 72 all out (23.4 overs)

Batting (not in order)
======================
Miandad 0
Inzamum 0
Salim   8
Anwar   2
Saeed   1
Akram  19
Latif  22 n.o.
Waqar   0
Mushtaq 2
Aaqib   4 
Extras 14

Bowling
=======
Ambrose 3/22 (??)
Bishop 5/25
Benjamin 2/16
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From: tripunit@algol.cs.psu.edu (Mahesh V Tripunitara)
Subject: Re: Gavaskar's comments
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:25:57 GMT

In article <10JAN199321412032@zeus.tamu.edu> tap6901@zeus.tamu.edu (Rajesh Kukreja) writes:

>"Above all they showed a committment to the team which was really heart-
>ening when you come across *others*, who only mouth they play for the country 
>but in fact are not doing so, *their* only aim being to destablise Azhar's
>captaincy".

>Kapil or Shastri??? Is the rivalry between Kapil and Gavaskar going on??

Well, in any case, Kapil Dev has dispelled any doubts about his loyalty to
the team with the century. Even if that remark from Gavaskar was originally
intended for Kapil Dev, it has now been rendered irrelevant.

Mahesh.
From: BPATEL@zodiac.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: About Cricket......
Date: 4 Jan 1993 16:28:39 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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Hello,

	This is Jitesh Patel from Rutgers - College of Engineering, U.S.A.
I would like to subscribe in CRICKETS UP DATE so, that I can get the latest
scores between India vs. South Africa cricket matches.  Would you please
send me all cricket news at the following e-mail address.

     to:  IN%"BPATEL@CANCER.RUTGERS.EDU"

     Thank you very much in advance !    

						       Jitesh Patel
From: tap6901@zeus.tamu.edu (Rajesh Kukreja)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Gavaskar's comments
Date: 10 Jan 1993 21:41 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
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I am confused with some of the comments of Gavaskar in his article in Times
of India dt. Dec 25.  This was after the one-day series between India and
S. Africa had concluded. He strongly criticizes the Indian batsmen for 
their lack of application. However later he goes on to write about Amre's 
and Yadav's batting in the last one day match, 

"Above all they showed a committment to the team which was really heart-
ening when you come across *others*, who only mouth they play for the country 
but in fact are not doing so, *their* only aim being to destablise Azhar's
captaincy".

My question to wel-informed nettors is, who are 'others', as mentioned in
the above para.  To me it seems the only persons to be gained by Azhar's
sacking will be Shastri or Kapil!! Are these remarks directed towards 
Kapil or Shastri??? Is the rivalry between Kapil and Gavaskar going on??
Well, I haven't been following cricket very well and hence the question.
However, in his article in the same newspaper dt. Dec 22, Gavaskar has
referred to Kapil as "one of the greatest" and giving everything to the
team even when injured. 

Any comments.....

Rajesh Kukreja
From: higham@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: There is still hope for Test cricket!
Date: 6 Jan 93 11:51:09 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <s1172217.726263992@giaeb>, s1172217@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Mark Smith) writes:
> yeshwant@chico.cse.ogi.edu (Yeshwant K Muthusamy) writes:
> 
> 
>>Hats off to the Pakistanis' for their exciting 34-run victory over
>>New Zealand. I envy the guys who were fortunate enough to watch this
>>Test. Quick wickets, determined batting (Greatbatch and Miandad),
>>see-sawing fortunes, awesome displays of pace and swing bowling from
>>Akram and Younis... who says Test cricket is on the decline?!
> 
>>If only every Test match were as exciting and decisive as this one!
> 
>>Yeshwant
> 
> Exactly!  I've just spent 5 days at the Melbourne test where Aus beat the
> Windies and found it througherly enthralling, the battles and battles within
> the battles and the overall game was great to be in attendence thereof.  One
> dayers while they provide alot of "highlights" ie. fast scoring, they are very
> standardised streotyped games which all seem to follow a set pattern that is
> only rarely broken (Patel opening the bowling for instance).  As most of them
> are very similar to the other ones I find them boring in a way, and I
> personally enjoy far more a good old test match, so in a couple of weeks I'm
> off to see 3 days of the Adelaide match, its a tough life!

Agreed, there's nothing as good as test cricket for an enthralling spectacle.
The test here was very exciting. The midday paper here ran stories of New
Zealand approaching a superb victory on the fourth day, a bit prematurely as it
turned out, but it just shows that its a funny old game! Very close in the
final analysis, New Zealand I think performed better on a session by session
analysis but in the end the brilliant bowling of Waqar Younis and Wasim Akram
gave it to Pakistan. I thought they bowled fantastically well, Waqar's ball to
dismiss Latham was unplayable and very fast, an inswinging yorker, OK so he was
on the backfoot but he would have been out anywhere, Wasim Akram, well, he has
tremendous variation; around the wicket, changes in runnup etc. I thought one
of the most interesting things was their ability to chuck in a slow ball, very
well disguised- in the Richard Hadlee mould you might say. All in all very
impressive fast bowling. The batting from both sides was, with the exception of
Greatbatch, Javed and perhaps Inzamam/Hartland (first inns.) pretty woeful. IN
particular I would cite the batting of Salim Malik, the second dismissal was
quite unbelievable for a batsman of his undoubted class. Add to that Asif
Mujtaba, they seemed to lack discipline.
But again, a mesmerising encounter, I really missed watching day 5!!

-- 
Tom Higham,                    
Radiocarbon Dating Lab,
University of Waikato,
Hamilton,
NEW ZEALAND.
Higham@waikato.ac.nz /
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From: bnataraj@uceng.uc.edu (Bhaskar Natarajan)
Subject: Re: Kiran Bashing?
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:14:33 GMT

In article <1is2g3INNt0f@falcon.natinst.com> aspi@natinst.com (Aspi Havewala) writes:

>boy) is holding up for Kiran. But the guy has been extremely dedicated.
>He brings a passion to Indian cricket like a good wicketkeeper should.
>And above all he CARES about how India does.
>
>	I guess people from baroda got to see his dedication first
>hand which makes for this. But he works hard. He keeps well to the
>spinners and he doesn't complain if the wickets are bad. So, he's
>short and thats his shortcoming against the pacemen. How long he can
>keep up is anybody's guess esp. with the Indian bowlers becoming
>faster now (or so I've heard). But hey, chopping off your right
>index finger to forget the pain in your left thigh doesn't help
>matters for long, does it?
>
>	Is everyone trying to suggest that there IS a better
>wicketkeeper in India today than Kiran? C'mon guys! BTW, despite all
>the fame he's achieved (and a sports bootique shop in Baroda) Kiran
>remains the pereniall cordial nice guy. (I know, I know, this is NOT
>relevant, but what the heck, this post is about trying to make all of
>you love Kiran anyway :-)).
>
>Cheers, _Aspi_

	All this is fine if the cricket team was in the Movie-Business!!
We're trying to win matches, maaaan ! 

	Just to clarify things, i've always liked More's gutsy batting
in trying times, but it is obvious that he's a liability behind the
wickets....

Regards,
Bhaskar..
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From: kthiruma@libws4.ic.sunysb.edu (Kumara Thirumalai)
Subject: England's tour Details!
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:27:16 GMT

Hi there

Can some one post the tour itenarary of England's tour of India 1993,.
thanks.

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or thru' snailmail:
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700 E Loop Road
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NY 11790.

or tinkle at :
516-632-2419.
From: sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan)
Subject: Greatest OD bowler
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 14:33:41 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

My choices are - ie the first bowler I'd pick for my dream OD team:
Joel Garner
Wasim Akram

Tough decision between the two - though with each passing day, Akram seems to 
be getting even better. Probably, let's leave it at this - they were the best
in their respective eras.

BTW could anyone post the records of Garner and Akram - and any other bowlers 
who were as good/better??

Sudhama
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: andyc@is.morgan.com (Andrew Coad)
Subject: Re: bowling speed of Waqar and Wasim
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:44:32 GMT

In article <C0EBno.1CD@acsu.buffalo.edu>, sivap-m@sybil.cs.Buffalo.EDU (Muhunthan Sivapragasam) writes:
|> > From what I recall Wasim and Danny had similar speeds, both ranging from 120 -
|> > 130 kph. Waqar tended to be about 5 kph faster than these two, generally
|> > about 130-135 kph; the 139 kph ball was the only one over 135 that I can recall.
|> > All the other seam bowlers were averaging around 120, although I can't
|> > remember any figures for Owens; he's supposed to be pretty quick.
|> > 
|> 
|> 	these speeds were recorded in onedays, or testmatches ?
|> 
|> 	135 kmph = 84 mph. Jeff Thomson was recorded 99, and 91 mph
|> before 75, and 79 worldcups reespectively. in 1975 there were atleast
|> 5-6 bowlers bowling faster than 90 mph ( including Lillee, Holding, Roberts ).
|> 
|> 	So if Waqar bowls at 135 - 140 kmph that is quite slow for one
|> of the fastest bowlers in the world today -- any comments ?
|> -- 
|> 						S. Muhunthan,
|> 
|> 	"The shortest distance between two people is a smile"
|> ################################################################################

I didn't see the original posting so I'm not sure if I have correctly read the
intent of this thread but the above (and subsequent) articles confuse me.

Are Younis and Akram pace bowlers or are they swing bowlers? These articles are
showing the the two W's are bowling in the same range as true pace bowlers.
The aerodynamics of a cricket ball (which has been a recurring subject recently)
ensures that the ball will not swing much above 70mph (112kph) since the laminar
flow effect ceases at that point (this comment is based on a study by under-grads
at Loughboro Univ. many years ago and is generally considered to be scientifically
sound). This "fact" explains why the greatest swing bowlers are not the
fastest and how "late swing" can occur (the ball slows down during it's flight
to the point where laminar flow takes place).

My question therefore is: Were Younis and Akram consitently bowling at this
speed and were they swinging the ball? Was it late swing or not? If they were
swinging the ball at these speeds then I believe that someone should go back and
re-visit the physics of the situation because it would indicate that the Loughboro
study was missing something.


Aside: for all of the U.S. based
r.s.c. netters, it is interesting to note that swing bowling was "invented" (if
that is the right word) by J.Barton King of Philadelphia and it was he who taught
the English his art on his many trips to the U.K. In those days he was known as
"The King of Swing" - Another U.S. 'first' that ranks in importance with landing
on the moon.

AC
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Subject: Re: Waqar's Hundered Wkts...
From: shariq@charlie.usd.edu
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:48:42 GMT
Reply-To: shariq@charlie.usd.edu
 <93008.093440SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu>,<1993Jan8.160859.27316@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>
Organization: The University of South Dakota Computer Science Dept.

In article <1993Jan8.160859.27316@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>, axeman@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (Samir Chopra) writes:
>In article <93008.093440SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu> Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>In article <6md=m4+@engin.umich.edu>, sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan)
>>says:
>>>
>>>
>>>I think either Colin Croft or Ian Botham has that record. The number of Tests s
>>>11 or 13 or something.
>>>
>>that's a ridiculous number.
>>botham needed 19 tests to get his 100 wickets (and 21 for his 1000 runs).
>>croft needed about the same number of tests.
>>i'll check wisden but i don't think that it lists that stat.
>
>In addition, Andy Roberts took 20 tests to get to his 100. I think if
>anyone had taken 100 wickets in 11 or 13 tests, we all would have
>his name committed to memory like we do Bradman's.
>
>Samir
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Guys let us not forget that Waqar had only 10 wickets in his first five 
tests and from then onn he has captured 92 wickets in 15 tests. I 
recently saw the West Indies and Australia test match and surely enough 
Waqar is quicker than any bowler onn either side. Gosh even Wasimm Akram 
is quicker than them.


Shariq


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From: karnik@cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik)
Subject: Re: Gavaskar's opening partners
Keywords: cricket opening
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:28:32 GMT

In <r!!3l-l@rpi.edu> mazuns@vccsouth07.its.rpi.edu (Sudip Mazunder) writes:

>WHAT ABOUT SRIKANTH? 

>SUDIP


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From: 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za
Subject: SA vs India T4D3 end
Organization: Wits University
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 17:50:22 RSA

SA 360/9 declared ...
India 161/5 Tendulkar 9, Raju 2 at crease
 
Out: Jadeja 19, Prabhakar 64, Manjrekar 46, Amre 7, Azhar 7.
 
Wow! India has avoided a follow on. Azhar, what a captain !!
 
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Subject: Pak vs Wi.  Final score
From: hossain@latcs1.lat.oz.au ( )
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 02:42:42 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

Pak  71 all out (23.4 overs)
WI 1/72 (20 overs)
	Lara  c.waqar b. wasim 10 (32)
	Haynes  n.o.	       25 (59)
	Richardson   n.o.      22 (34)
		Extras	       15

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From: drizzt@spock.uucp (Neela Jacques)
Subject: Re: Just testing...
Organization: Choate Rosemary Hall
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:21:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.033717.11823@news.acns.nwu.edu> sidiyus@robbie.acns.nwu.edu (Sadiq Yusuf) writes:
>
>Testing...testing...one, two, three ...
Next comes four and five!

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