HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Male visual orientation
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 02:27:19 GMT
Reply-To: margoli@watson.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: The Village Waterbed

In  <c-rjpj-.shannah@netcom.com>  shannah@netcom.com (Teri Miller) writes:
>
> <sigh>  The net is a really fickle place, though.  I remember a
> time when I was getting offers of kinky pastimes, and all I had
> to bring was my hammer and crowbar.... <the net.grandma wanders
> off, muttering to herself>

Or perhaps the net has matured, and offers of kinky pastimes are no
longer sent to people who don't indicate receptiveness...

.. but I wouldn't count on it.

Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: eleanor@ait.com (Eleanor Evans)
Subject: Re: Peeking through the curtain
Organization: Artificial Intelligence Technologies, Inc.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:39:24 GMT

>I think it comes down to one issue- can you get everything you want out of a
>relationship out of a single person?
>If so, then a monogamous relationship is 'good'.
>If not, then an open relationship is 'good'.

I ask a slightly different question--here's the line of reasoning:

1.  Keeping/developing friends while you're in a relationship is
    A Good Thing[tm].
2.  Part of deep friendship is a physical relationship (YMMV).
3.  Therefore, sex with friends while in a committed relationship 
    is not A Bad Thing[tm], and should be addressed the same way 
    as sex with friends while not in a committed relationship.

Step 2 may be where I lose most monogamists.  I have absolutely no
problem with people who want a monogamous relationship.  I simply
can't have a long-term relationship with one, given my beliefs.
(I don't call this an open relationship, however.)

I trust my SO to select his partners carefully, we give each other
veto power, we tell each other when it might or did happen and why 
or how it was.  If I should happen to walk in on him and someone
else in bed, I expect them to invite me to join them.  I've worked
this out after years of a combination denial and guilt trips, 
feelings of failure.  I was lucky enough to meet a couple who had
worked out a similar philosophy--when he and I were attracted to 
each other, and he said "it's ok with her", I went and asked her.
Sure enough, she didn't have a problem with it--in fact, she and
I are great friends, now (and I miss her, too :-(.  )

Piglet
From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: DOES ANYBODY REMEMBER...
Date: 9 Apr 92 08:56:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.hyrj#+=
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <12362@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>I always wondered what would happen if you pop'ed a whole fizzie in
>your mouth and then drank a glass of water.

You would puke. I remember this one from personal experience. The taste is
>still< in my mouth ';-)

Ahh- the joys of childhood- running into the house in the summer to get a
tall glass of nice warmish water, and excitedly throwing in a Root Beer
flavored fizzie, then chuging the entire glass whole- and then chewing up
the little fizzie part that never quite dissolved because it made your
face get all screwed up because it tasted so sour....
';-)
Oh, yeah, I remember fizzies. ';-)
r.
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: drmax@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marianna Max)
Subject: Re: Men and women talking
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:15:46 GMT

In article <12359@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.173310.11113@javelin.sim.es.com> biesel@javelin.sim.es.com (Heiner Biesel) writes:
>|More likely, it's the pineal gland kicking the entire hormonal machinery into
>|high gear in response to more sunlight. 
>
>Hey Max, here's a guy that speaks your language.  You just don't see too
>many references to pineal glands on soc.singles.

No you don't. Probably a good thing too. Specially with that line of
reasoning  - Bright lights leading to enhanced reproductive activity - I
can see it now, Guys with search lights pursuing women down winter streets.
Might work if her mother was a hamster or even maybe a sheep but probably 
pretty useless if not.

And that's MaX 
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: hevern@cac.washington.edu (M. Hevern)
Subject: Re: Male visual orientation
Organization: U.W. Information Systems
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 07:40:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.022719.13468@watson.ibm.com>, Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.com> writes:
> In  <c-rjpj-.shannah@netcom.com>  shannah@netcom.com (Teri Miller) writes:
> >
> > <sigh>  The net is a really fickle place, though.  I remember a
> > time when I was getting offers of kinky pastimes, and all I had
> > to bring was my hammer and crowbar.... <the net.grandma wanders
> > off, muttering to herself>
> 
> Or perhaps the net has matured, and offers of kinky pastimes are no
> longer sent to people who don't indicate receptiveness...
> 
> .. but I wouldn't count on it.
> 
> Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)

What!? No smiley face with this? Could you be serious? Naaaaaaaaaa. (*:

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From: 01ksdavis@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Discussion Of Romantic Songs
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:05:35 GMT


	Certain songs by Bryan Addams come to mind.

	"Everything I do, I do it for you."

	and perhaps

	"Thought I'd died and gone to heaven."

	Did anybody mention Journey "Open Arms"?

	That's all that I have remembered today.

			Kyle
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: chris@medch.b17a.ingr.com (Chris Hudson)
Subject: Re: Disc on Romantic Songs
Reply-To: chris@medch.b17a.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:15:17 GMT

One lyric that always gets to me is one on the Yes - Big Generator cd.  
Unfortunately I can't remember the name of the song, but the lyric is:

  Whenever I needed someone - you were there when I needed you
  You saved me from falling - saved me from falling
  I'm so in love with you...


Chris Hudson
From: 01ksdavis@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Discussion Of Romantic Songs
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:49:43 GMT


	Somebody already mentioned Richard Marx.

	"Angelia" comes to mind.

	"Endless summer nights", also.

	Another part of romance is losing it, thus:

	"I saw red.", Warrant.

	"Here's a quarter, call someone who cares.", some country singer

	"Love Bites", Def Leppard

	"Here I go again", Whitesnake

	
	Defnitely not on anybody else's classical romantic list, but I 
	have to include it because of it's title:
	"Clumsy Lover",1920, a bagpiping song.
From: stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Peeking through the curtain
Date: 11 Apr 92 05:56:22 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

Afroditi Michailidi writes:
>In article <1992Apr09.221535.29713@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.ibm.com writes:
>>I don't think type A with type B is a problem per se; I think the problem
>>arises when the type B person expects the type A person to reciprocate.
>>If the type B says "I love you" and expects the type A to respond "I love
>>you too", and they don't, and the type B feels hurt, *then* there's a problem.
>>
>>Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
>
>    No, no, the *real* problem is when person 1 says "I love you", person 2
>says "I love you too" and person 1 responds "You're saying that just because I
>said it first"    :-)
>
This is an indicator of type C: person who likes to make things difficult.
Avoid at all costs unless you are also a type C.
>
--
Stef                 In the force if Yoda's so strong, construct a 
stef@apple.com       sentence with words in the proper order then 
                     why can't he?                         /fortune
From: tlode@isis.cs.du.edu (trygve lode)
Subject: Re: want-sex(women) < want-sex(men)
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 18:44:22 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.064258.841@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> userisra@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca (Mark Israel) writes:
>
>   My theory is that men have a greater BUILT-IN sex drive than women.
>(This doesn't prevent women from finding sex pleasurable and wanting to
>repeat the experience.)  Meloney Cregor and Valerie Maslak have offered
>themselves as counterexamples, but I would like to get some more data
>points.

You know, I've been in a fairly lusty mood lately myself--I may just go
get a few more data points myself.

Trygve    (How come, among the women I meet, counterexamples outnumber
           the examples twenty-to-one?)
From: i900019@sheoak.bcae.oz.au (t knipe)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: If you ask me....
Date: 15 Apr 92 06:21:54 GMT
Organization: UCNV, Bendigo, Victoria, Australia

In article <1992Apr5.210919.1954@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ted5@po.CWRU.Edu (Thomas E. Davidson) writes:
>
>	The best way to seduce someone is not to try, to attempt friendship
>and move slowly into romance, to learn about their fears and hopes and
>love and personality, to befriend them and THEN add something physical.
>	Then again, judging from the tenor of earlier responses, maybe I'm
>wrong....


That's the way I'd like it to be, but it doesn't seem to work :-(

Oh No!  Not another:
      BitterNiceGuy(sic)C.S.StudentWithAutumnBluesWho'sNeverBeenLaid!

Tim
From: stateman@hplred.HP.COM (Howard Stateman)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:13:16 GMT
Subject: Re: Older men and younger women (advice needed)
Organization: State Home for the Mildly Amusing
Newsgroups: soc.singles

epg@nature.berkeley.edu writes:

>Why would a man not want to date a woman who is considerably younger
>than he is?
>I've had two relationships in the last year end almost before they
>started in which the men I was involved with were uncomfortable about
>dating me because of my age.  I'm 25, well educated and have had more
>than a handful of relationships.  My first "interest" is 38, the second
>is 39. 

It's cultural. And depends on the guy. When I was 20 I couldn't figure out
why my 23-year-old girlfriends kept ditching me for 40-year-old guys. Now
that I'm 41, I'm trying to figure out how to find women your age, let alone
lure them away from guys their own age.


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Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: drmax@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marianna Max)
Subject: Re: THE ELEMENTS OF SEDUCTION was (Re: Request : Dating advice from women)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:07:35 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.195219.18854@tigger.jvnc.net> richh@tigger.jvnc.net (RICHH) writes:
>In article <1992Apr2.194932.16457@adobe.com> kendall@adobe.com (Janice Kendall) writes:
>>
>> And WHY would a person want to stay or force their way into a relationship
>> where they are not wanted?  I've NEVER understood this one - although I'm
>> aware it happens often.
>>   
>Janice, I'm just curious.  Did you ever read Shakespeare's 'Richard III'?
>There is a a scene where the misshapen king seduces the widow of a man he'd
>recently killed.  The whole scene takes place over the man's coffin!  It
>is an amazing scene, watching this woman, who begins the scene 
>absolutely despising Richard, being won over.  I think it ends with 
>Richard talking to the audience:  "Was ever woman in this manner woo'd? 
>Was ever woman in this manner won?"
>There are few things as thrilling or as challenging as seducing a woman
>who absolutely loathes you.
>If you can't see the sport in this, you will never understand men.
>
>RICHH
>--"Yes, I killed him, but don't you *see*??  I was intoxicated...
>--Intoxicated??
>--Intoxicated from your beauty...
>
>
>
>
>

Is anyone maybe getting an idea of why many women feel the need to protect
themselves from men, not just the rapist, but the guy next door that seems
oh so charming? 

MaX
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: hevern@cac.washington.edu (M. Hevern)
Subject: Re: Peeking through the curtain
Organization: U.W. Information Systems
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 18:56:32 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.223924.18752@ait.com>, eleanor@ait.com (Eleanor Evans) writes:
> 1.  Keeping/developing friends while you're in a relationship is
>     A Good Thing[tm].
> 2.  Part of deep friendship is a physical relationship (YMMV).
> 3.  Therefore, sex with friends while in a committed relationship 
>     is not A Bad Thing[tm], and should be addressed the same way 
>     as sex with friends while not in a committed relationship.
> 
> Step 2 may be where I lose most monogamists.  I have absolutely no
> problem with people who want a monogamous relationship.  I simply
> can't have a long-term relationship with one, given my beliefs.
> (I don't call this an open relationship, however.)
> 
> I trust my SO to select his partners carefully, we give each other
> veto power, we tell each other when it might or did happen and why 
> or how it was.  If I should happen to walk in on him and someone
> else in bed, I expect them to invite me to join them.  I've worked
> this out after years of a combination denial and guilt trips, 
> feelings of failure.  I was lucky enough to meet a couple who had
> worked out a similar philosophy--when he and I were attracted to 
> each other, and he said "it's ok with her", I went and asked her.
> Sure enough, she didn't have a problem with it--in fact, she and
> I are great friends, now (and I miss her, too :-(.  )

This is a well thought out and convincing theory/practice. I can't say I agree, but I can say I see no fault in it. You lost me on step three (depends on your definition of physical relationship), because of my lack of a clear philosophy.

My two cents.

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From: mjln_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mikeey J. Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Discussion Of Romantic Songs
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:47:50 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York


	Hmmm... I surprised that I haven't heard any of the following:

Lady in Red (Chris Deberg...spelling?)
Nothing's Gonna Change My Love for You (Glen Medeiros)
The Glory of Love (Peter Cetera)
I'll Be There (Escape Club)
You're the Inspiration (Chicago)
Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now (Starship)
Can't Fight This Feeling (REO Speedwagon)
Unchain Melody (Righteous Brothers)
Mad About You (Berlinda Carlisle)
True (Spandau Ballet)

	Well, that's all for now. Hope to hear more from other folks!

						Mikeey
				    mjln_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu

PS Advice for Today :1) Calling a member of the Crew Team "a big dum ox" will
		         usually result in bodily harm.     
		     2) Getting hit by a television is not good.
		     3) If one must insult a Crew Team member, please remove
		         any objects that can be hurled at you.

		       (You learn by experience... I'm in so much pain!!!)
From: grund@pyrite.SOM.CWRU.edu (Victor Grund)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Sleeping Around While Dating (was Re: Male visual orientationREFRESH)
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:11:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: pyrite.GRUND.92Apr15111156
	<1992Apr7.230048.1055@spool.cs.wisc.edu>
	<GRUND.92Apr14040356@pyrite.som.cwru.edu>
	<1992Apr14.153450.2069@u.washington.edu>
	<willimsa.703288181@unix1.tcd.ie>
Organization: International Business Machines, Cleveland, Ohio, USA

In article <willimsa.703288181@unix1.tcd.ie> willimsa@unix1.tcd.ie (Gavin Williams) writes:

   In <1992Apr14.153450.2069@u.washington.edu> intrigue@milton.u.washington.edu (Angelwing) writes:

   >In article <GRUND.92Apr14040356@pyrite.som.cwru.edu> grund@pyrite.SOM.CWRU.edu (Victor Grund) writes:

   >>
   >>I'd have a hard time maintaining a romantic relationship (physical or
   >>otherwise) with a women who I knew was activity bonking some other man
   >                                                 ^^^^^^^

   >The term you are looking for is *boinking*, Vic.  BOINKING!  Bonking is
   >being hit over the head .....and I really can't see what the hang up would
   >be if your object of affection was hitting some other guy other the head.

   As Cliff might say, "Au contraire, mon frere", or even "ma soeur"! :>
   The verb to 'boink' is almost unheard of in Europe, instead, we use
   to 'bonk'.

While it is true that the verb 'boink' is largely used in the US,
there must be a small corner of Europe around Cleveland, Ohio.  We say
'bonk' around here, too.

Victor
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Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: richh@tigger.jvnc.net (RICHH)
Subject: Re: Discussion Of Romantic Songs
Originator: richh@tigger.jvnc.net
Organization: JvNCnet
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:40:14 GMT

intrigue@milton.u.washington.edu (Angelwing) writes:

>Bill bill bill ...*sigh* this is soc.singles.  The newsgroup full of
>cynics and sociopaths.  heh  Okay we're NOT sociopaths.  But there is a
>place for this kind of stuff and that would be [everybody now] alt.romance
>and the ever pukey alt.romance.chat.  (Sorry Lee...)  They would LOVE to
>discuss just which song is more romantic and then regale you with stories
>of imaginary seductions in front of the fireplace [while the parents are
>out of town or at the local Sizzler].


Now now.  It's not *so* heinous a thread.  Just needs a little spice.

"Everything About You"--Ugly Kid Joe 
"Add it Up"--Violent Femmes
"I Hate You"--GG Allin
"Doubt"--The Cure
"That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore"--The Smiths

RICHH
--a big ole softee at heart
Newsgroups: soc.singles,soc.men,soc.women
From: hevern@u.washington.edu (M. Hevern)
Subject: Re: Men and women talking
Organization: U.W. Information Systems
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:59:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr06.195655.29292@watson.ibm.com>, margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) writes:
> I got some on my desk once, too, but find the chair or even the floor
> to be more comfortable.  :-)
> 
> Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
                                                          ^^^
Subtle, real subtle. Does big blue teach that right after they show you how to dress (wing tips and white shirts) (:?

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From: stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: The "first" "move" (was Re: A R C )
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:51:48 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Apr13.174732.8836@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tlode@isis.cs.du.edu (trygve lode) writes:
>
>Now all I've got to do is figure out how to get around the Wicca part,
>since, much as I like intelligent, aggressive women who are relatively
>unconstrained by convention, the ones I meet keep turning out to be
>serious, practicing pagans with a serious religious observance scheduled
>every seven to eight minutes--not that there's anything inherently wrong
>with pagans, but it doesn't seem to leave much room in their lives for
>anyone who isn't a pagan.
>
So that's why they are aggressive ... they're looking for a sacrificial
victim? But hey, might be fun, depending on what's being honored...

>Trygve    (What's a atheist to do?)  
Lie back and think of England?

Stef, nonaddictedwiccan
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: intrigue@milton.u.washington.edu (Angelwing)
Subject: Re: Male visual orientationREFRESH
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:43:45 GMT

In article <nsqj7!=@lynx.unm.edu> blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.222544.26970@midway.uchicago.edu> pooh@group-w.uchicago.edu (Pooh @ the Utility Muffin Research Kitchen) writes:
>>Now announcing Dr. Poohth's Wild Sex Thang School of Inner Beauty
>>and Lime Jello Maneuvers !!  (gee, this is sounding more and
>>more drieuxistic ...)
>
>Yergh! The return of Lime Jello!
>I was SLimed just once, thankyouverymuch. Plenty for me. ';-)

We had some at SeaBoink but I guess it was kept in reserve until things
got entirely out of hand.  'Cause I never saw it.  Good thing, too.  I
hear it's pretty tough to get sLime Jello off of gold lame.

Angelwing - Not on MY dress you don't!

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Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: polsak@nuscc.nus.sg (Suzaina Abdul Kadir (Ms))
Subject: Re: Discussion Of Romantic Songs
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 08:47:15 GMT

Actually I can't quite believe this got
posted here. But what the hey...

Anybody there heard of the song
' Nothing Else Matters ' by Mettalica ?

At this point thats a beautiful song, and in a
weird and almost painful way, its romantic...

:-)

Suzaina
( finally the decision to post to soc.singles after
  all this while )