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From: BWWL@ibm.rz.tu-clausthal.de (Wolfgang Ley)
Subject: Re: art packages for a ST?
Organization: Rechenzentrum der TU CLAUSTHAL
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 10:45:20 GMT

Hi!
 
Try 'Crack Art' (color only). The newest version is 1.34 TT+ and is available
via anonymous FTP from 'ftp.tu-clausthal.de' (139.174.1.3)
 /pub/atari/graphics/painter/crackart.lzh
 
Bye,
  Wolfgang.
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From: ken@isgtec.com (Ken Newman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: THE STORM and VT200???
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:15:39 GMT
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc., Mississauga Ontario

In article <1992Nov4.100102.1@sscl.uwo.ca> richardson@sscl.uwo.ca (John Richardson) writes:
> know if THE STORM has VT200 emulation.  At present I am using Uniterm, which is
> excellent for emulation but not too user friendly (IMHO).  Perhaps STORM will
> have a nice interface with VT200 emulation...sigh!  Also, I haven't tried the
> 'original' Flash (latest Alan did was 1.6...right!)  Does Flash have VT200?

Are you sure you need vt200 rather than vt102 (which is vt100 plus advanced
video features?) I've seen a lot of people asking about vt200 and vt300
emulation when all that's required is vt102, or often just vt100. Flash 1.6
vt100 emulation is very good for Unix etc., but not as complete as Uniterm
when it comes to advanced video (like double height and width characters,
bolding, etc.), which is used more often on VAX/VMS machines. However even
Uniterm doesn't do all of the advanced vt102 stuff like blinking text
for example. This is not even vt200 stuff.

So, it would be a better question to ask what video features you require,
rather than just "vt200", which is widely misunderstood, is what I was
trying to say. :)

--

ken@isgtec.com   [ ...!uunet.ca!isgtec!ken ]  Ken Newman
From: ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Floptical drive details (87 lines)
Keywords: floptical disk long
Date: 4 Nov 92 18:13:44 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

In article <DKoppen.21@air31.larc.nasa.gov> DKoppen@air31.larc.nasa.gov (Daniel Koppen) writes:
>   Since my original posting I have noticed a few 'quirks' that might be 
>worth mentioning.
>Quirk 1 - If the floptical drive can not read an inserted disk for
>          whatever reason, the drive will not read any subsequent disks
>          even if they are formated properly. You MUST reboot (warm boot OK)
>Quirk 2 - The floptical drive reads, writes, and formats 'standard' floppy
>          disks. This includes both high and double density formats, but
>          NOT 10 sector or other custom atari formats. Go back to Quirk 1.
>Quirk 3 - You can not do disk-to-disk transfers even if the disk in the
>          floptical is identical format to the one in the floppy. The
>          message is that the floptical is a hard drive and does not
>          support that type of operation. However, you do not go back
>          to Quirk 1.


These quirks are quite interesting.  Especially #2, since all of my floppies
have a 10-sector format.
 
I wonder if Quirk 1 is an ICDBOOT problem that may be fixed in the future.
 
If you don't mind, I'm going to leave mail to ICD on GEnie and see what they 
say about these problems.




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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: GEMULATOR for sale in Australia ???
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:39:07 GMT

In article 1dajthINNjh@golem.wcc.govt.nz, sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz () writes:
> In article <1038@dgaust.dg.oz>, brown@dgaust.dg.oz (Fred Brown) writes:

>>Does anyone know if the Gemulator is available for sale in Australia ?
>>Fred

>Yes they are in all the shops they are called a Clone PC....:-)..
>I do prefer the real thing, even if its a clone...
>
>Roger.............           sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz


C'mon Roger, while I must agree with your hidden meaning as to the "usefulness"
of the Gemulator, you could at least try to answer the poster's question.

Fred, try Paragon Computers in Perth, WA.  Sorry, no phone number but you should
be able to get it from directory assist.  If they don't have the Gemulator, then
I doubt that any others in Oz would.  You could of course order it from the US
but you might be faced with a stiff tax upon receipt.  Best read the reviews
before you buy one anywhere, however.


___________________________ John "HUTCH" Hutchinson _________________________
_________________ Fair Dinkum Technologies     Member - IAAD  _______________
________________ "No worries, mate... it's from Fair Dinkum!" _______________
____________ email: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov   GEnie: FAIR-DINKUM _____________




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___________________________ John "HUTCH" Hutchinson _________________________
_________________ Fair Dinkum Technologies     Member - IAAD  _______________
________________ "No worries, mate... it's from Fair Dinkum!" _______________
____________ email: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov   GEnie: FAIR-DINKUM _____________
From: cmp0141@sys.uea.ac.uk (I. Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Universities & the Atari.
Date: 10 Nov 92 12:13:11 GMT
Organization: UEA School of Information Systems, Norwich, UK.

I am a third year undergraduate student at the University of East Anglia, studying
for a Bsc in Applied Computing. I am looking to do an Msc or Phd next year and
would like to go somewehere that uses Atari hardware.

Can anybody help by letting me know what universities use Atari hardware? My 
interests are in the area of graphics but I'm adaptable. 


Thanks!

		cmp0141@uk.ac.uea.sys

		Ian Brown.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: Student discounts?
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:37:35 GMT

Student discounts on Atari machines???  Surely, you jest!  Gee, most folks
would be happy just to have a store where you could walk in and pay RETAIL!

Let's put it this way... don't hold your breath for student discounts.  :)
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___________________________ John "HUTCH" Hutchinson _________________________
_________________ Fair Dinkum Technologies     Member - IAAD  _______________
________________ "No worries, mate... it's from Fair Dinkum!" _______________
____________ email: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov   GEnie: FAIR-DINKUM _____________
From: sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: GEMULATOR for sale in Australia ???
Date: 5 Nov 1992 07:53:21 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

 In article <1038@dgaust.dg.oz>, brown@dgaust.dg.oz (Fred Brown) writes:
>
>
>Does anyone know if the Gemulator is available for sale in Australia ?
>Fred
>


Yes they are in all the shops they are called a Clone PC....:-)..

I do prefer the real thing, even if its a clone...


Roger.............           sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: to3@ph3hp840.physik.uni-stuttgart.de (Thomas Stuempfig)
Subject: Re: 96002's got a silcon bug!
Keywords: 96002,bug
Organization: Physikalisches Institut, U of Stuttgart, Germany
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 07:07:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.123447.6345@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> richard@star.ic.ac.uk (Richard Syratt ) writes:  
>
>Believe me or not, but I work in the same group as a guy whose
>working with a 96002.  It's been confirmed by Motorola US that
>he's discovered a bug on the chip.  Apparently when you do a
>parallel load at the same time as doing a dma access (and probably
>a few other conditions as well ... I could find out exact details)
>then a bit of some data gets cleared.

It would be nice to get some more details in order to avoid the bug.
e.g. does it depend which part of the busses is used (both the same or
one X and one Y). Which data is destroyed?

Regards
   Thomas Stuempfig

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From: strgh@csv.warwick.ac.uk (J E H Shaw)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Sequencer One
Date: 11 Nov 1992 13:43:10 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk

In article <56880@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> grillo@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (GUEST Savino Grillo) writes:
...
>I'm looking for a ST program called SEQUENCER ONE a sequencer that can
>handle both midi and sampled sound. It was on the Cover Disk of ST FORMAT 30
>magazine, but that number went SOLD OUT 2 months ago.
>If this program works on High rez (b/w) monitor coull anyone send it to me ?
>We can eventually swap some others "legal" things.
>
>Thank you.
>							Savino

I don't think this would be "legal" if you were sent a copy (disk or e-mail)
rather than the original disk: commercial software like Sequencer One
is typically licensed to ST Format etc. to be sold ONLY as a cover disk:
it isn't made PD.  Note that several companies are still advertising
Sequencer One for sale at commercial rates (say 40 pounds).
No I'm not a lawyer - just worried about comp.sys.atari.st being used
(however innocently) to encourage (probably unintentional) piracy.
        -- Ewart Shaw
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From: ma_blase@csd.uwe.ac.uk (Fox)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: GIF to RAW!
Date: 5 Nov 92 11:58:51 GMT
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Hans Holmberg (hasse@solace.hsh.se) wrote:
: All those who wanted a GIF to RAW converter can get it from ftp.uni-kl.de
: under the directory /pub/atari/graphics, and the file is view132d.lzh.
: 
: Those who can't get it from ftp.uni-kl.de can send me an e-mail, and I will
: mail you a copy of the program.
: 
: Hasse

And those who are just lazy can get it off this month's ST Format cover disk *8)

Fox
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: kevinb@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Kevin Busby)
Subject: Keynote Chameleon problem
Summary: Crashes when reading drive G
Keywords: MIDI music Chameleon
Organization: University of Sussex
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:36:24 GMT


I have a problem with the MIDI Sysex librarian programme 'Chameleon', in that
it crashes (with 2 or 4 bombs) whenever I try to get it to access partition
G of my hard disk drive (ICD mechanism). This happens with both versions 1.0
and 1.1 of Chameleon. Since Keynote's telephone number gives the
"unobtainable" tone nowadays, I would be grateful to hear whether other users
of Chameleon have come across the same problem.
Thanks in advance.
From: herby@danubix.ulm.sub.org (Herbert Dampel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Distribution: world
Organization: Node Ulm/Donau.
Subject: Re: Hermes, NN, etc
Summary: Newsreader, expire
Reply-To: herby@danubix.ul.open.de
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:01:40 MET

In <H.1sxuvuTFqgw@zebedee.uucp>, Geoffrey Coan writes:
  >A few questions though:
  >1.	Is there a better news reader than GUS ?   I don't like the GEM
  >	interface as it slows me down.  Although I can use rn (from the
  >	Mercury package) OK it would be really nice to get a better news
  >	reader (eg: can do Kill of a subject, etc).  I've heard that NN
  >	is good - any comments ?

Use a 16 Mhz CPU ;-)

  >2.	How can you get the expire program to work ?  The format of the
  >	expire.def file is a mystery to me as my German isn't all that good
  >	and there isn't an example in the package.

Here's mine:

junk|1d                   #expires after 1day
comp.sys.atari.*|2d       #guess :-)
de.comp.sys.amiga.*|2d
mercury.binaries|15d
de.mag.chalisti|30d
de.alt.binaries.*|1d
gnet.*|5d
ulm.*|30d
uni-ulm.*|30d
local.*|5d
3d                        #all others stay 3 days

  >3.	Is there anyway I can get gus to remember what my username is
  >	- I've got a current.usr file setup but I still have to type geoffc
  >	every time.  I've tried setting up a LOGNAME environment variable
  >	but it doesn't seem to make any difference.

No way, you'll have to login. I use GUS as a main shell and start a cli
from it with '!', cli scans environment and all works fine.

  >4.	How do I setup a signature file ?

create signatur.mai and signatur.net in your home-dir.

cu l8ter mfG herby@danubix.ulm.sub.org
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
From: ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca (N Tomczak-Jaegermann)
Subject: What about Flash II?
Summary: need stories from trenches
Keywords: TT, telelcomm
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:35:08 GMT

My friend, for some reasons not entirely clear to me, loves Flash.
Currently he is searching for a reasonable terminal program which
would run smoothly on his TT.  He dials quite often to places like
Compu$erve and Genie.  File transfer protocols used there are
hence a must.  He was thinking about upgrading to Flash II but
he would like to here from users of this terminal program if
this is a reasonable thing to do.  He tried Connect and FZDT
and so far he is not impressed.  He knows about Storm but tells me
that an upgrade price makes Flash II more atractive.  Besides he
is alergic to Basic.

If you have some stories indicating that Flash II is good
(remember - mono TT) or bad for his purposes please e-mail them
to me or post.

   Michal Jaegermann
   ntomczak@vm.ucs.ualberta.ca
   ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: malay@sae.com (Bob Malay)
Subject: Dragonware Software
Reply-To: malay@sae.com
Organization: Template Software
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:12:42 GMT


Does anybody have a phone number or e-mail address for these guys?

Back in August I got a card from them stating that if I send in $24.00 they
would upgrade my version of G-Man to Version 3.0 -- well, I've got the check
back from my bank, they have my $24.00, their phone number as listed on the
front cover of the G-Man docs has been disconnected and I'm PISSED! I'm about
to turn this thing over to the postal authorities and file a claim of mail
fraud. Are these guys legit????

Bob Malay
malay@sae.com
malay@template.com

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,de.comp.sys.st
From: jartsu@vipu.hut.fi (Jartsu)
Subject: Calamus fonts
Reply-To: Jari.Lehto@hut.fi
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 16:55:16 GMT


Hello everybody!

I am looking for non-commercial (= PD/SW/FW) Calamus fonts. There are
some at a.a.u.e, but I would like to find more.

If you know any location anywhere on this globe that has Calamus fonts
available via FTP (or other net-access) or Hi-Speed (at least V.32)
modem, please share the information and tell me about it!

--
          
          Jartsu
From: davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: user needs help with DragonFlight
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:54:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Nov11.205435.2891
Reply-To: davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu
Organization: Health Computer Sciences, U of MN, Mpls

I have an ST user who has been playing a game called DragonFlight, produced
by a German company called Thelion.  He is stuck at the moment, trying to
find a house in the "north woods" -- a clue given him in a note he found
at the bottom of a dungeon while looking for a particular book.  If anyone
has information on how to proceed, or even a phone number/address where he
can contact the original game producers, please let me know.

-- David Paschall-Zimbel
From: bjf@castle.ed.ac.uk (B Fletcher)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Music transposition
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:41:34 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University


I'm looking for a music notator program which will allow me to play a
piece in one key and get it printed out in any key I like.  I don't need
fancy sequencer software or patch editors, just a basic read-in/print-out 
job.  Is there any pd software available which will do this for me?  I
only have an atari 520st.   Any offers?

Brian Fletcher
From: pdel@ADS.COM (Peter Delevoryas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: How to Backup Mint partitions
Date: 5 Nov 92 06:40:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: ads.1992Nov5.064005.11733
Distribution: usa
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mtn. View, CA (415)960-7300


Howdy all, since installing Mint, I've been wondering how to back up
the partition. Simon Gornall's readme from his distribution says that
if you access the Mint partition from GEM, you'll corrupt it. Does
this mean that if I use a GEM backup program, I'll trash the Mint
partition? Should I tar it or use a .ttp backup program instead?

thanks for any enlightenment,

PD
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: rge@helix.nih.gov (roger erickson)
Subject: Atari donations sought
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 04:17:53 GMT

Here is another educational (and non-profit) group in the D.C. area who
has asked me to help them solicit donations of Atari equipment.

	The 'Young Technocrats'
	324 N Street
	SW Washington D.C.  20024
	[c/o Maisha Washington,  (301) 554-2243 ]

They are an independent group of inner city kids and volunteer teachers 
operating an after school program at the Anthony Bowen Elementary Sch. 
in D.C.   Those who have attended the WAACE show in Reston, VA have 
probably seen the educational room they have sponsored the last few years.
	These are folks who really do use Atari computers exclusively 
and DO have the infrastructure to immediately use whatever hardware 
or software you might be able to send them.
From: sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: NVDI
Date: 9 Nov 1992 05:13:27 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Were in the USA can I get NVDI and a place that is open all day,
not like Best Electronics that only open from 3pm..


Its also the cheapest place to use my credit card as the money
is only converted once...


Thanks..........


Roger................                 sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
                                      R.SHEPPARD5  GEnie
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: WHAT'S GOING ON ?
Date: Wed,  4 Nov 92 23:48:13 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Howard waxes nostalgic about VMEBUS on Atari computers..
 
I agree, a "standard" buss would be great to have.. 
 
Unfortunately, the Atari implementation of the VMEBUSS is about
as standard as the Atari implementation of the SCSI buss was
on the ST..
 
It should probably be called the "AVME Buss" to differentiate
it from what the rest of the world considers to be a "VMEBUSS"..
 
An aside.. has ANYONE.. EVER.. found an "off the shelf"
3U formfactor VME board that they wanted to put in their
Atari "VME slot"...????
 
I really would like to know... 
 
BobR
From: baffoni@aludra.usc.edu (Juxtaposer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Welcome to comp.sys.atari.st! (Software)
Date: 5 Nov 1992 19:05:28 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

 
	Hi,

	First, I wanted to thank you Jeff N' Co. for the work you have done, 
are doing, and will do on a.a.!!!  Thanks for explaining the effects of being
on afs.  BTW, could you describe how to mount it from a UNIX station (if 
that is possible without having a normal account)?

	Second, I assumed that we could ftp new files to the New directory
like we did before.  However, I have been having problems - when I type
"put conn177.lzh"
I get the response:

"200 Port command successful.
 553 conn177.lzh; EDOTDOT!!!!.
ftp>
"

	Am I doing something wrong?  Is ftp uploading disabled?  Has my
Unix station gone stark raving mad?

	
	For those who are interested, the latest version of CoNnect (1.77) is
now available at ftp.uni-kl.de in the pub/atari/telecom directory.  I'll put
it up in a.a. as soon as I get these problems fixed.  (you won't be able
to dl tho until Jeff N Co get to it!)

	Thanks for any and all help.

-MikeB
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: morrison@ee.ualberta.ca (Robert Morrison)
Subject: How to contact CodeHead
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:23:58 GMT

	A couple of months ago, I purchased a copy of CodeHead's Warp 9 from a
local dealer (actuall, the _only_ local dealer) and I a pleased with it.  I
sent away the registration card, but I'm not sure if it ever made it to 
CodeHead.  Recently I have noticed discussion about updates from 3.70-3.73.
I checked it out, and I am running 3.50.  I would like to get in on the upgrade
process, and to do that, I need to contact CodeHead.  I will try the phone
number in the documentation, but you folks are my backup!

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From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Quantum LPS105
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:42:41 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park


Thanks to all the folks who responded to my query about using a Quantum LPS105
on my ST.  I've currently got it working using ICD's The Link adaptor and
it's been running fine for about 5 days.  As the drive was free to me, it
wasn't such a bad thing to have to get a new host adaptor. 

Jeff
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