HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: Killfiles
Date: 29 Dec 1992 16:38:34 GMT
Organization: AS&M Inc
Reply-To: J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@larc.nasa.gov>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cmb00.larc.nasa.gov
In-reply-to: jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu's message of 26 Dec 92 03:53:12 GMT

In article <BzuLGp.CEz@polaris.async.vt.edu> jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (J. Furr) writes:

   I know that if I want to kill the subject of a post I'm reading so I don't
   see it again, I mash control-K.  If I want to _edit_ my kill file, I mash
   shift-K.  Since often-times I control-K a noisy thread only to see the
   thread worm its way back onto my thread list by a movement of a colon or
   comma, I'd appreciate being pointed toward any info that would tell me how
   to kill posts from specific authors and how to kill threads on, say,
   'mnemonics' permanently dead.  (hi, a.f.u.!)

I use Alt-k to edit my group killfile.  Then I use C-c C-k C-s to
insert the Subject line I don't want to read.  Then I edit the line
to generalize it as appropriate with regexps.  Then ...

Oh, you don't use gnus?  I hope somebody can guess what newsreader
you use and help you.  But maybe your newsreader does use regexps.
There's an rn killfile FAQ that is posted to news.answers and a few
other groups.

To newusers:  If you're asking how to do something in news,

PLEASE INCLUDE THE NAME OF YOUR NEWSREADER IN YOUR POST.

Many questions are newsreader-specific.

BTW, I know Joel must have a thick skin by now and can stand this
rather minor flame.  :-)
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Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions,news.admin,news.misc
From: bouguett@milkbones.cs.colorado.edu (Athman Bouguettaya)
Subject: Posting to the soc* hierarchy through email
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 01:43:17 GMT

Sorry if this question was asked before but I would like to know
if there are some sites that post messages on one's behalf 
to the soc* hierarchy through email.  Berkeley and ohio state sites 
do not seem to work anymore.  Just to clarify some more, this 
capability is for people who do not have access to news and would 
like to post messages using email.  Please respond by email as I do not 
read these newsgroups anymore.  I will post a summary to these 
newsgroups if I get any answer.

-Athman
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: claebaur@shell.portal.com (Tony S Annese)
Subject: Re: ftp downloading
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 04:44:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.011803.29825@leland.Stanford.EDU> haston@leland.Stanford.EDU (Zachary Charles Haston) writes:
>How can I download a file off of a UNIX that I am modemed (sp?) into?
>I can ftp to get files to my directory on my school's computer, but once
>it's there I can't transfer through my modem to my personal computer (except
>for scripting a text file).  I'm unfortunately very new and don't know how to
>use Kermit, Xmodem, etc.  Any help (as detailed as you can) would be
>appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

Depends on what your system setup is.(i.e. what kind of computer/which terminal
program are you using) Also depends on what kind of operating system your 
school is running. I know on the Unix system I call into the command to send
a file in z modem is sz filename or ymodem is sb filename or xmodem is 
sx filename . But then you may need to initiate a start in your terminal
program also.(I'm not sure how to use kermit as I have never used it. Maybe
someone could give me a hint as to it's advantages over zmodem?)

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Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: knopf@nisc.jvnc.net (Greg Knopf)
Subject: Re: ftp commands
Organization: Global Enterprise Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:29:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.060322.15902@tfs.com>, rsw@tfs.com (Rob White) writes:
|> I use a unix machine to ftp to various sites.  
|>   As examples: I do not know how to read a file that is at another 
|> site other than to transfer the file to my own site, exit ftp, 
|> and then read the file. Kind of awkward.

On a unix machine:

	ftp> get README.TXT /dev/tty

Will get the file and write it directly to your terminal.  If
the file is longer than one screenful and you do not have a
windowing system with a scrollbar, use:

	ftp> get README.TXT "|more"
 
|> Also, I do not know how to change my home directory or check
|> my own computer directories when I am linked to another site.


List files in home machine's current working directory:

	ftp> !ls

Change directories on local machine:

	ftp> lcd /new/directory



Also, you can "suspend" an ftp session by entering the unix ^Z (ctrl-Z):

	ftp> ^Z
	Suspended
	(wd now: ~/temp)
	r2d2-tcsh> cat README 

	Not worth keeping.

	r2d2-tcsh> rm README 
	r2d2-tcsh> fg
	ftp ftp.jvnc.net (wd: ~)

	ftp> 

Hope this helps,

- Greg
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From: alizard@tweekco.uucp (A.Lizard)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: Harrassment
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 01:58:59 PST
Organization: Tweek-Com Systems BBS, Moraga, CA (510) 631-0615

shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:

> Can anyone tell me what the proper procedure is to inform a
> Sysadmin that someone on their system is using their account
> to harrass another?  
> 
> How does one find out the Sysadmin's address.

try root@offensivedomain
or system@offensivedomain

A.Lizard
and as to how to inform them, forwarding a cc of the offensive
message(s) is a good start

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From: jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (Joel K. Furr)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: the us. hierarchy
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:35:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Escape from Blacksburg, VA

Somewhat embarrassedly, I ask, where *is* the us. hierarchy?  I read the
listings of alternative and mainstream newsgroups Gene Spafford puts out,
no listings of any us. groups there.  I see people refer all the time to
us. groups being perhaps appropriate for some subjects instead of creating
worldwide groups in one of the Big Seven.  Yet, I can't find these
groups... I know that perhaps my site won't carry them, but Nyx seems to
carry a lot of stuff.  Where do I get info on these groups?  What us.
groups are out there?
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: gc14@ellis.uchicago.edu (Grace Putao Chang)
Subject: File Transfer
Reply-To: gc14@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 01:37:03 GMT

Hello everyone,
	
	My question isn't with FTP per se, I can 'get' files with no problem.
I get stuck when I try and transfer them to my PC.  I'd like to know if anyone
out there can explain to me the ins and outs of tranfering a binary file.
Fot instance, I heard that flow cannot be X-on/X-off.  I have no idea what that
means, but I changed flow to 'none' in kermit.  What about 7/8 bits?  Which
works better, does it matter?  Any advice that I can get on this would be
greatly appreciated.  A walkthrough of how to send a binary file through 
kermit would also do wonders I think.

Thanks in advance!!!

							Grace

E-mail Address:
gc14@ellis.uchicago.edu
From: akennedy@mercury.ncat.edu
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: FIDNET & IBMNET via INTERNET?
Date: 23 Dec 92 00:49:30 GMT
Organization: North Carolina A&T State Univ.

Followup-To: news.newusers.answers  

Distribution: whole
Organization: North Carolina A&T State University
Keywords: fidonet ibmnet

I'm very new to usenet, and access it using a ibm PC and a modem
which connect me to a Unix computer. I'm using the trn reader on it
to read the news.

Is it possible to use my internet connection to access echos from
FIDONET and IBMNET?

If so where can I get info and whatever software I need.

Thanks Alvin.

P.S. Please post responses hereor in news.newusers.answers.
  If you must send e-mail my correct address is
  akennedy@garfield.ncat.edu
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: spp@thunder.cis.ufl.edu (Stephen P. Potter)
Subject: Re: Posting to multiple groups at a time
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 19:52:37 GMT

In article <724944372snx@tixel.mv.com> jarnold@tixel.mv.com writes:
>
>Could you elaborate on this?  I'm using SNEWS v1.90 and I don't think it
>works like that.  When I want to post, I simply hit "P" when the arrow is
>pointing at the newsgroup.  Where would one specify the other newsgroups
>to cross-post to?  Or, is there a different (better?) news reader that
Well, since I don't use a PC, I'm not going to be too much help to you.
However, see if you can follow this...
When I post, I get about 8 lines at the top of the article (Newsgroups, Subject,
Summary, Expire, Reference, Followup-To, Distribution, etc).  If you get any of
these, try putting the Newsgroups line at the very top and seeing what happens.

>I should consider using?  (MS/DOS).  Also, SNEWS apparently doesn't allow
>one to cancel an erroneous posting -- how does one cancel a posting (which
>I asked earlier in this newsgroup but nobody answered).
>
Again, I don't use PCs, so I can't help you any further.

Steve
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Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: suwanto@iastate.edu (zapper)
Subject: RE : REQUEST: uudecode for DOS
Keywords: uudecode
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 22:35:44 GMT

> Does anyone know of an ftp site for a DOS version
> of uudecode?

try here : WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil
           PD1:<MSDOS.FILUTL>

there are lots of them, ex: suud10.zip
                            uudoall.zip
                            uuxfer20.zip
and lots more.

Hope that helps.

BTW, happy new year 1993!

-suwanto@iastate.edu
-TWB51@isuvax.iastate.edu


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From: younge@nova0.rdrc.rpi.edu (Irwin M. Fargo)
Subject: Usenet Ettiquette
Organization: Fargo HQ, Inc.
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 07:08:15 GMT

Could someone please point me to an FTP site containing "Emily Post's
Guide to Network Ettiquette"?

I understand that this document is posted on a regular basis, but I
need to get a copy as soon as possible.

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From: alizard@tweekco.uucp (A.Lizard)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: Harrassment
Date: 25 Dec 92 22:41:20 GMT
Organization: Tweek-Com Systems BBS, Moraga, CA (510) 631-0615

20541@brahms.udel.edu (Maverick) writes:

> In article <qVa0VB1w164w@tweekco.uucp> alizard@tweekco.uucp (A.Lizard) writes
> 
> >If you can't handle the risk of being flamed in E-Mail or via public
> >posts for posting stupid and off-topic posts to a newsgroup whose topic
> >shifted to complaints about your stupidity and thoughtlessness in posting
> >subsequent to your posts, you have no business participating in Usenet.
> 
> Gee, Mr. Lizard, I think this message is stupid and thoughless. Why don't
> you take a look at what you just posted. THere is no reason for you to use
> "stupid" and "thoughtless" 
> 
> >If you don't like this, stay off Usenet. If you don't like accountability
> >for posting on a public network, don't post. 
> 
> Wow, Mr. Lizard, you are a TOUGH GUY, aren't you? By the way, I don't think
> I like you. Why don't you stay off the Net?
> 
> > Unrestricted freedom of speech is not something that goes with Usenet acces
> 
> 
> Opps, wrong again Lizzt Boy, Or are you too "stupid" to know how to read
> the U.S. Constitution. And if you don't like it, chew harder.
> 
> 
> 

Here is another example of a stupid post to a newsgroup intended to assist
new users learning how to use the Internet. However, it does serve a useful
purpose, in showing new users what NOT to do. And demonstrating the the
mentally "challenged" probably should avoid public access networks. The
other obvious point is that the US Constitutional "freedom of speech"
provisions do not apply here or to any other public access networks. Freedom
of speech here basically comes down to what the system administrators
around here are willing to put up with. How long will Maverick's system
administrators put up with him? That depends on how many people complain
about him, if he generally puts garbage up on newsgroups where people are
paying by the kilobyte to access, the resulting complaints to 
system@brahms.udel.edu or root or postmaster may result in Maverick's
having to whine to himself. 
Usenet is essentially an anarchy. The fact that it works as well as it
does traces to the fact that quite a few of us voluntarily behave in a
responsible manner on the nets and occasionally, enforce responsible
conduct on the more childish among the userbase.
A.Lizard

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From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Harrassment
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:18:22 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Can anyone tell me what the proper procedure is to inform a
Sysadmin that someone on their system is using their account
to harrass another?  

How does one find out the Sysadmin's address.

Is there a generally accepted definition for harrassment or
is taken on a case-by-case basis?

Any advice would be welcome.

Thank you,


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Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Harrassment
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 07:10:56 PST

alizard@tweekco.uucp (A.Lizard) writes in

>If you can't make the Chris Colvins of
>the user community go away through requests to root or system or
>postmaster, use kill files. Unless you can catch his type at
>something actionable. Then... have fun.

So, what you're saying is, "If you don't like what someone posts to
usenet, it's ok to incite netters to cause financial injury on an
individual by posting, 'Compuserve users have to pay for receiving
e-mail from internet, so bomb away.  Send some large FAQ files uuencoded
to increase their size.'"  BTW, it didn't work.

I chose to use Compuserve in order to not use my employer's system.
Is there anything unethical about that?  Perhaps there is. I just don't know
I just as well could have posted from one of the many BBS's in the Bay
Area.  Yes, Mr. Lizard, if people don't like what they hear, read, see
on TV, they should change the channel, or leave the room.  Your logic
implies that you HAVE to read it, then take action.  Well, there is a
radio station in Hayward with the call sign of KFAX (1100am) which I'm
sure you would find objectionable.  Applying your logic, perhaps you
should vandalize the place?  Or would turning the tuner be a more civilized
response?

Anyway, enough of this.  Please note the ID.  It's not from Compuserve.
Satisfied?

1  My opinions are mine alone.  They may or    Address all flames to:
2  may not be shared by my employer or the    ccolvin@lmsc.lockheed.com
3  owner of this system.                           Chris Colvin
4  My .sig is only 4 lines long  ;-)                 ><IXOYE>
From: news@hrd769.brooks.af.mil (InterNet News)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: File Transfer
Date: 28 Dec 1992 09:41:37 -0600
Organization: Armstrong Lab MIS, Brooks AFB TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: hrd769.brooks.af.mil

In article <1992Dec28.013703.8985@midway.uchicago.edu> gc14@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Hello everyone,
>	
>	My question isn't with FTP per se, I can 'get' files with no problem.
>I get stuck when I try and transfer them to my PC.  I'd like to know if anyone
>out there can explain to me the ins and outs of tranfering a binary file.
>Fot instance, I heard that flow cannot be X-on/X-off.  I have no idea what that
>means, but I changed flow to 'none' in kermit.  What about 7/8 bits?  Which
>works better, does it matter?  Any advice that I can get on this would be
>greatly appreciated.  A walkthrough of how to send a binary file through 
>kermit would also do wonders I think.
>
>Thanks in advance!!!
>
>							Grace


Grace,
   Let's assume you have transfered a file from a Unix system to your local
Unix system.  You used a binary FTP to get it there so that the Newline 
characters would not be converted to CR-LF pairs in the transfer.
  Now that iit is on your local Unix Box, you need to start up a kermit
transfer.  You put the Unix Kermit in server mode and issue your commands.
The specific commands azre not important, but the concept is.  You will
(I assume) be transferring a binary image (a program, a GIF, something like
that) to you want NO translation of any kind.  Also, your file may contain
random XON characters (^Q) or XOFF characters (^S).  This will screw up any
flow control that is trying to run, as well as effectively stripping them 
out of your file completely.  Also, since you are transferring a binary, you
do not want NL to CR-LF translation.  Binaries use all 8 bits.  If you turn
on any of the 8th bit stripping options, you will lose the the hig bit of
every command.  That is generally considered a bad thing (the JMP assembler
command would change from C0 to 40) and should generally be avoided.
  Now, if you have a TEXT file (the netiquette guide, for example) you want
to turn on the NL to CR-LF translation.  This way, the file will display and
print correctly for MS-DOS.  It doesn't make any difference (generally) if
you turn the eighth bit off on text, since ASCII is pretty much a seven bit
system.  In addition, TEXT does not usually contain ^s/^q characters, so
flow control is allowable.
  So, the simple answer to your question is:  I have no idea.  What do you
really want to do?

  If this doesn't help, E-Mail me and I will be glad to discuss the specifics
of what you want to do.

TSgt Dave Burgess
From: samer@bass.bu.edu (Samer Faraj)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: What is in the references field?
Date: 29 Dec 92 01:11:52 GMT
Reply-To: samer@bass.bu.edu (Samer Faraj)
Followup-To: news.newusers.questions
Organization: Boston University

I am doing research on group interaction on the net and need help
understanding some of the header data provided in each message.

I  understand that each message that gets posted receives a unique
identifier in the MESSAGE-ID field of the header.  I am not sure of 
the unique identifiers that are present in the REFERENCES field, 
specifically when do they get generated?

It seems that if I am responding to a previous post, the previous
post's unique identifier gets appended to the REFERENCES field.  Is
this always the case?  How many characters can the REFERENCES line
include?   In many cases, subthreads are generated by people changing
the SUBJECT field, does this impact the "referencing" action?
Finally,  many discussions or wars in a group entail the exchange of
30 or 40 messages.  However, the reference field only includes 6
identifiers at most.  How come?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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From: J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Harrassment
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 10:51:42 PST

alizard@tweekco.uucp (A. belly crawlin Lizard) writes in
<LV1cwB2w164w@tweekco.uucp>
A lizard:
Here is another example of a stupid post to a newsgroup intended to assist
new users learning how to use the Internet.

response:
No, just an answer to your post.  BTW, I didn't see any 4 letter words in
Maveric's post as you used in yours.  At least he had the decency not to
requote those since they didn't lend anything to your flame, but to reveal
your immaturity.

A.Lizard:
Usenet is essentially an anarchy. The fact that it works as well as it
does traces to the fact that quite a few of us voluntarily behave in a
responsible manner on the nets and occasionally, enforce responsible

response:
HA!  Balderdash!  Behave in a responsible manner!?  By utterances of 4
letter words and insults?  Yes, usenet is an anarchy, and your attitude
and foul mouth serve to keep it that way.  Enforce?  what do you enforce?
Who elected you net police?

A. Lizard:
PGP2.0 public key available on request.

Response:
Did you know that import of this product could land you in court for violation
of the import/export laws of the United States?  In addition, did you know
that the owner of the algorithym could seek civil damages from you for distrib-
uting it?

Just my public service to your and the net. You might want to remove this from
your sig block.

Peace to you Mr. Lizard.  Jesus is the reason for the season.

1  My opinions are mine alone.  They may or    Address all flames to:
2  may not be shared by my employer or the    ccolvin@lmsc.lockheed.com
3  owner of this system.                           Chris Colvin
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From: miket@frog.CRDS.COM (Michael C Tiernan)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Seeking sailing info.
Summary: Searching for book for sailors.
Date: 29 Dec 92 16:05:50 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Charles River Data Systems


	Is there a sailing group?  I'm seeking some info on a book as a
	gift for a sailor.  (Like the Eldridge pilot book.)

	Anyone got any leads they can point me at?

	Thanks.
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