HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: saltzman@NIMITZ.NRL.NAVY.MIL (Lawrence Saltzman)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Queer Nation National Phone/Fax Zap
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:00:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: nimitz.9204081900.AA04850

QN/NC has become involved in action around a government contractor which is
discriminating against one of our own.  A Queer National is being harrassed
and abused for, can you imagine, being VISIBLY Queer.  This QNer has worn
a shirt to the no-dress-code worksite which reads "One Fabulous Queer."  The
employer, a contractor for the US Navy (Boo!  Hiss!!) informed the employee
that the company has "a normal dress code" and that such "flaunting of sexuality
offends our very, very conservative client."  The employee, as someone working
in the District of Columbia, is fully portected under the law from discriminatio
n and harrassment on the basis of sexual orientation or personal appearance.

When the employee informed upper management of intent to file a complaint with
the DC Gov't, he was put on 60-day probation, removed from all administrative
responsibilities, given his own, personal dress code and schedule of arrival
and departure, demoted to a position subordinate to a co-worker who had been
reporting to him and was told repeatedly that being visibly Queer was "offensive
, offensive offensive"  and "unacceptable."  Further actions were then taken
against this employee; freelance clients were told by the Queers management
that this "guy had a real attitude problem...was a troublemaker..."  Then
the Queer was accused in front of witnesses of altering government records
and falsifying evidence regarding his timesheet.  The company continues to
micromanage and harrass this Queer.

The Company in question is KESTREL ASSOCIATES, INC.
                           5205 LEESBURG PIKE
                           SUITE 905
                           FALLS CHURCH, VA 22041

                           tel. (703) 379-2261
                           fax. (703) 379-2264

The employee is Lawrence Saltzman, and he works at the Naval Research Laboratory
.  He is a member of QN/Nat Cap and needs your help on this one. so please,

ZAP THESE FOLKS---PHONE 'EM, FAX 'EM, WRITE 'EM!!!  Tell Louvonia P. Wilson,
the President of the company that discrimination in any form, and especially in
the name of serving the military is DISGUSTING AND UNACCEPTABLE!!!  TELL THIS
BLACK WOMAN MINORITY-OWNED BUSINESS THAT NOT ALL MINORITIES ARE PROTECTED
CLASSES AND WERE NOT ALWAYS PROTECTED CLASSES.  MAKE THESE PEOPLE CRAZY!!!!

Thanks so much.  I really appreciate this.

L.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: hayes@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu (Patrick Hayes)
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Originator: hayes@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: Ohio State Computer Science
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 10:24:32 GMT

In article <bpqjtzf.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:

   I'm obviously beyond becoming innately butch, so I decided to go for
   exterior butch - boots, jeans, that sort of thing.  It turns out that
   Wrangler jeans fit me better than Levi's, even though Levi's are more
   politically correct, so I bought some.  I also started looking for some
   cowboy boots. 

Big mistake. People who wear Wrangler jeans belong to that class of 
people whom my sister refers to as "fashion negatives."

   Well, practice makes perfect.  What do you folks out there have to say
   about the proper way to walk in boots?

Riding horses bareback a lot will warp your legs until it justs happens 
naturally.

---PCH
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: Too Sexy for My Love?
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 10:53:11 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:

Greg Parkinson (glp@fig.citib.com):
   >> >How about: "Mara looks after Mr. Dyer, while Jeff sees
   >> >to the comfort of Mr. [Looks-Brains-Beauty] Parkinson"?

jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
 >[Actually, I thought later that it sounded more like
 > a subtitle for an episode of 'The Avengers': Mrs. Peel 
 > finds one appealing, while Steed steadies a stud.]

Oh, dear, you haven't cast me as Emma, have you?  I'm far too old
for that sort of thing.  But I daresay someone in the company will 
happily take on the challenge.  I rather fancy Jojo in the part.



-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Going to Paris...
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1992 01:12:59 GMT

francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis) wrote: 
->Bars: Le Oneway. Le Trap. L'Insolit. Le Keller. Le Manhattan. Le Mic
->Man. Le Mec Zone. Le Waff. Le Swing. Le Central. Le Quetzal. Le 18. Le
->3045. Le Transfert. Le Destroy. Le Subway.

do be sure to forget your shirt at many of the places listed on the
first line ... :)

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Your Hair...
Date: 6 Apr 92 00:19:52 GMT
  <56794@cup.portal.com> <1992Apr3.043343.2694@wam.umd.edu>
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

In article 1265.3.15741.17 Re: Your Hair...
4/2/92 20:33 15/426 jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) sez:

>Frank - Swilling (Minotaur@cup.portal.com) wrote:
 
>> >4/2/92 01:09 12/459 drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
>> >A totally non-stereotypical gay man named Jeff, ....

>> Talk about a small world!  Jeff's been my barber since....

>Even funnier, since my barber's name is also Jeff!

>jns

But wait, it gets weirder still.  *My* barber Jeff has a partner/
fellow barber, whose name is ........... Frank!

Doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo
:-)
Frank
From: dise@vector.uoregon.edu (David Ellsworth-Casti)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: PDX con question
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:04:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntp.1992Apr15.210401.26480
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services

Hi,

I'll be living in Portland by the time this event occurs, but it seems that I  
missed most of the discussion about Portland -- in particular, the proposal  
itself seems to have scrolled off my news system.  I've subscribed to the  
mailing list, but I'd appreciate it if someone could send me a copy of the  
proposal too.  (If you can send it, but you think someone else will have by the  
time you read this, send me a copy anyway; I have 40M handy and it is very  
important to me that I find a copy of the proposal to distribute to my  
compatriots in Portland.)

Thanks,
David.
From: michelle@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM (Michelle Elliott)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: D.C.con?
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:57:56 GMT
Reply-To: michelle@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM (Michelle Elliott)
Organization: International Computers Limited, Reston, Virginia, USA

In article <1992Apr4.224821.3152@wam.umd.edu> jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
>Thank you, Ms. Elliott, for getting in touch with me so
>promptly -- I was hoping you would offer to be co-chair
>of the ad hoc DC.con '93 organizing committee.  And, as
>you say, WE have a bunch of work to do.
>
>[And if you even *think* of backing out, I'll threaten
> to put it to a vote, *after* reminding everyone just
> how *tall* you are.]

Threats will get you nowhere, but...

Okay, I'm in.  I've never done anything like this before,
so be prepared for something really bizarre.

I don't know what goes into a proposal -- I haven't
been reading them since there was no chance I could
go.  Jeff, do you have the latest?  If not, I'll be
asking other motssers to send me what they have.


Motss-con in D.C. '93 motto (proposed):

"Bringing style and perversity to the president's doorstep",


Michelle Elliott


-- I hope to HELL I haven't just signed up for the
-- nightmare of my lifetime!
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Ice Axes (Was: Re: D.C.con?)
Date: 13 Apr 92 00:46:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.36190
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <kuhh6nINNmt3@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>In article <36185@ogicse.ogi.edu> 
>markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:
>
>| Ignore him Arne, dear.  I'll even loan you my spare ice axe.
>
>You have a *spare* ice axe?  

That's me, the gear junky.  I used to have four for ice climbing (one in
each hand, a spare for luck, and a fourth at the car for no reason at all).

>                             As one who is finding that his current
>sit- and crunch-ups exercise routine is taxing him to the limits,
>I just might have to sit that hike out.

Training?!?  Thanks for the warning, I'll start now.  Seriously, if you can
do a normal 10-12 mile hike in one day, then you can do this climb.  The
ice axe is only for the last part of the ascent (which could be optional
for some) and to use as a brake on the glissade.  Actually, the glissade
has *lots* of runnout, so the ice axe *could* be considered optional.

>Oh dear.  I'd hate to resole several pairs of perfectly good heels just
>for this trip.  Would it possible to convince a few of you big strong
>boys to play sherpa for the day and *carry* me up the ice cliffs?  

Cliffs?  No, we won't go that way.  Tho I would be willing to organize
a separate trip for phobes through the cliffs.  And I promise not to
lose a single one  ;-)

>                                                                   I'd
>pay you handsomely.

Strange, I would have thought is was "handsomely pay".

>| >             And might even be useful on the glissade...
>|
>| Oh sure, now you're an expert on glissading?   ;-) ;-) ;-)
>
>You rang?  Glissade, echappe', glissade, echappe', bourree...

Now cut that out!

--mark
imagining Arne performing swan lake on the summit of adams

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Subject: Re: Asimov and sexism
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 20:22:50 GMT

drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston) writes:

>Have you read "The Original Uncut Stranger in a Strange Land"?

Gee, when I first saw this I thought it was one of those cutesy porn
titles about uncircumcised men...

Bill
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: onr@netcom.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Subject: Re: movie review
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92 22:40:00 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <rm9bpINNoom@agate.berkeley.edu> gnn@mastodon.cs.berkeley.edu (George Neville-Neil) writes:
>In article <1992Apr3.212928.22763@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu> pmele@ldgo.columbia.edu (phil mele) writes:
>>yes, but how did edward and his lover "act"?  the revue in the paper, which
>>said pretty much the same as you, went on to point out how the gay characters
>>were somewhat 'swishy' and how this was consistent with the general portrayal
>>of gay men and lesbians in hollywood productions that has currently caused so
>>much controversy, and has received considerable discussion here.  (is that a
>>run on sentence, or what?)

uh..
the dialogue was writen during the Elisabethan period.
ALL elisabethan characters were swishy ????
If anything Jarmans characters were remarkably butch considering this factor.

>Does it matter ??  Well, I guess to you it does.  I found them both
>quite masculine.  Actually I had the hots for Edward :-)  Of course I
>liked the executioner a lot too.  Hmm, now that I think of it ther
>were lots of men that I liked in it. I guess I'm just a slut :-) 

S'pose you are.
couldn't prove it by me though!

My faves were the Sailors, the maseur, the sailors, Mortimer
and did I mention the Sailors! ( Mick also fancied Mortimer BTW :-)

I guess the red-head fanciers will take to Edward, but seriously
I've never considered that complexion to be *hot*, to me its a damn
inconvenience. (though I've discovered its good for tattooing)


LUX .. owen


-- 
D. Owen Rowley .. Note this acct is not my primary USENET access
mail gets to me quicker if you send it to owen@autodesk.com

*No matter where you go, there you are.*
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heinlein and sexism (Was Asimov and sexism)
From: mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 14:59:53 PDT
Organization: The Batchelor Pad


BTW, Issac Asimov died this morning.



[] ---
[] Mike Batchelor -- mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US -- cerritos.edu!batpad!mike
[] Long Beach, California
[] TNG Quote: "You were travelling in close formation at over 80,000 kph, only
[] 10 meters from Cadet Albert, and you didn't even know his orientation?!?"
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Book Review
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 04:49:35 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.173428.11139@tfs.com> harryu@tfs.com (Harry Ugol) writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.085430.10749@husc3.harvard.edu> pierce@husc4.harvard.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>
>>I just have to ask one question.  Half of the books I read cite him as
>>"Henry Hay" and half cite him as "Harry Hay."  What is his name,
>>actually?
>
>"Henry" in the third person official, "Harry" in the second person and
>the third person informal.

Um ... so the answer is "yes," I gather.

>What other books cite him?  I'd like to get a balanced view.

I was thinking mainly of Toby Marotta's THE POLITICS OF HOMOSEXUALITY
(my Christmas reading) ("Henry"), Jonathan Katz's GAY AMERICAN HISTORY
("Henry," I believe), and the film BEFORE STONEWALL ("Harry").

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Someone here suggested blue square badges for
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  straights.  Maybe we should try mauve
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  heptagons?" - Damian Cugley, on soc.bi
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Deletions
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:10:11 GMT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Jess Anderson writes:
>(George Dalton Madison) writes:
>>Perhaps, *IF* you know UNIX (GAG!).  Many people don't, and 
>>furthermore have an insufficient degree of masochism in their
>>personalities to subject themselves to such a torture.
>
>C'mon, George, even allowing for rhetorical flash, this is
>wildly overstated.  As soc.motss's most relentless
>unix-nixer, you've tilted this windmill mightily.  But the
>actual fact is that Unix is not at all hard to use,

For some reason, this reminds me strongly of the 5-year
TurdStar... erm, WordWack... uh, *WordStar* user who was
foisting that likewise user-hostile piece of garbage off
on someone who'd never touched a wordprocessor before with
copious assurances that it was "easy."

BULLSHIT.

The UNIX system may be able to do marvelous things, but what
is laughingly passed off as a "user interface" (the multifarous
`shells') make CP/M look like a polished marvel of mnemonic
design.  *THEY* *ALL* *REEK*.
 
() You never know till you take a chance,
() If you're out on that wire, you might as well dance!
()      -- _Make It Shine_, by Quarterflash
-----
[George D. Madison, a/k/a Furr | 8-{)##] | NBCS:B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv PIG 8/7]
[> furr@cup.portal.com <#> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Deletions
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 01:23:31 GMT

In article <57055@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:

>For some reason, this reminds me strongly of the 5-year
>TurdStar... erm, WordWack... uh, *WordStar* user who was
>foisting that likewise user-hostile piece of garbage off
>on someone who'd never touched a wordprocessor before with
>copious assurances that it was "easy."
>
>BULLSHIT.

Do you have anything better to do with your time, George?  Because
some of us really did take rather naturally to Unix, and I'm sure
there are plenty of people who really took naturally to WordStar.
Take it to alt.flame.computers, because the horse you're beating is
now not only dead, but old and tired.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Someone here suggested blue square badges for
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  straights.  Maybe we should try mauve
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  heptagons?" - Damian Cugley, on soc.bi
From: harryu@tfs.com (Harry Ugol)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Book Review
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:34:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: tfs.1992Apr7.173428.11139
Organization: Black Leather Wings

In article <1992Apr6.085430.10749@husc3.harvard.edu> pierce@husc4.harvard.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <j3aa4mk@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>>Harry Hay is considered the founder of the gay rights movement in
>>the US.
>
>I just have to ask one question.  Half of the books I read cite him as
>"Henry Hay" and half cite him as "Harry Hay."  What is his name,
>actually?

"Henry" in the third person official, "Harry" in the second person and
the third person informal.

What other books cite him?  I'd like to get a balanced view.


Harry Ugol
harryu@tfs.com

"Briarpatch household rule #5:  Dessert is the most important meal of
the day."
From: stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pride Parades
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:59:28 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) reveals:
>
>It's the one day
>of the year that I permit, nay encourage, complete strangers
>to slide their hand up my shorts and feel me up.
>
Care to detail exactly how you go about determining whether any given
random stranger is complete or not?
Xref: sparky soc.motss:19743 ca.politics:3389
From: wlp@calmasd.Prime.COM (Walt  Peterson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Charles Turing's Untimely Death
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:06:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: calmasd.4354
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Computervision, A Prime Company. San Diego R&D

In article <57025@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>Anybody watch PBS "The Machine That Changed the World"? Says that
>Turing committed suicide over a trial for homosexuality. Also says
>that Eckert-Machley were put out of business by McCarthyism. They
>sure didn't teach us that at MIT when we learned about the history
>of computer architectures. Any other interesting stories out there?


Obviously no one taught the writers of that program very much either. 

First of all Turing's full name was Alan Mathison Turing, not Charles.
Secondly, he committed suicide well after his conviction for "gross
indecency".

Turing was not only one of the pioneers of computer science, he was
also the person who cracked the Nazi "Enigma" code during WWII.
Winston Churchill himself said that Turing contributed more to the
Allied victory than any other single person.

However in the hysteria of the Cold War, Turing was hounded by the
British government because of his sexual orientation.  Finally brought
to trial he was convicted and sentenced to "treatment" rather than
prison ( he was also striped of his security clearances, making it
almost impossible for him to work. )  Part of this "treatment" was a
course of injections of female hormones, which had disasterous effects
on his body and mind.

In the end,  the "treatment" and harassment were too much and he took
is own life by eating an apple which he himself had poisoned.

There is an excellent biography of Turing entitled "Alan Turing: The
Enigma", unforutnately the author's name escapes me at the moment.
The book was first published in the early '80s and my still be in
print. 

My local PBS station will start showing this series tonight; I hope it
is better and more accurate than this report makes it out to be.



-- 
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From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: News of the Surreal
Date: 27 Mar 92 22:24:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: apple.64415
Organization: Xiola Blue

Jess Anderson writes:

>Child!  You *mustn't*!  You may not realize it, but you are
>talking to a Tidy Squirrel, and he might make an *awful*

Guilty.

>mess -- possibly while talking to an important client -- if
>you even talk like that, let alone use exclamation points.
>What if Richard's new plane were to crash on the way to

Innocent.  I do NOT have a new plane -- merely considering partnership
in an existing one.

>visit Us, just because he was atwitter with your rough

Guilty.  But this does not depend on the Goodness and Light of the Cessna
gods, dear.  Commercial aviation does shine upon Madison, does it not?  
Certainly if boy wrestlers do...

>grabbings and your commanding tone?  Shirley, you wouldn't
>want *that* on your conscience?

Since when can you call me Shirley, Madge?
-- 
a flying squirrel is: richard@apple.com  Apple Computer Inc.

"Lemonade?" 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Speaking to the Point (was Re: Human sexuality)
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:55:33 GMT
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ

In article <1992Apr8.231829.16035@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com (John F Haugh II) writes:

>In article <1992Mar27.174757.8962@tc.cornell.edu> shore@tc.cornell.edu writes:
>>Right - and we know how little these particular gentlemen are
>>bothered by such notions as 'all men are potential rapists.'
>>It's the same old hypocritical tripe and the same old tired
>>trash.  Do they really think we haven't heard these trivial, 
>>lame arguments before?


>Get realistic ...


And you should get a clue.  Melinda's statement has very little to do with
calling men anything, it has a very great deal to do with the defensive
mindset that many women have to cope with a hostile environment.

Compare:  You're walking home on a gentle spring evening holding hands
with some cute number (say 8).  You turn a corner and a bunch of burly
construction workers are there, drunk.  They see you holding hands.  How
do you process this?  If you're like 99.9% of us, you prepare for the worst,
adrenaline flows, you look for exits, these men are "potential gay-bashers",
you can't afford to think differently, your life is at risk.  You know
that all construction workers are not gay-bashers, but frankly, you don't
care, because you don't know these, and they might be and just last week
someone was beaten to death a few blocks from here and you don't want
to die and you hope you can run faster than they can and .....

Now, do I really have to explain how women are often in similar situations,
or do you really still think this is about mean women saying nasty things
about icky men?


Ry Schwark
ry@usl.com
(who can get real tired of men thinking everything is about *them*, even
if he does have a BIG dangly bit)
From: francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Asimov and sexism
Date: 6 Apr 92 10:35:39 GMT
Organization: IRCAM, Paris (France)

In article <ktq1vsINNnl4@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>In article <ktq1oaINNniv@mizar.usc.edu> 
>adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) was uncharacteristically 
>randy and distracted when he wrote:
>> In article <1078@dosbears> drp@dosbears.uucp writes:
>>
>> > Have you read "The Original Uncut Stranger in a Strange Land"?
>>
>> Now that you ask, no, I haven't.  It sounds like a sequal.  Should
>> I read "The Uncut Stranger in a Strange Land II" first?
>
>I meant to ask, since you say it's homophobic, if I should skip what
>sounds like the first in a series and read the sequel, "The Uncut 
>Stranger in a Strange Land II", instead.

The scenario-generator cortex of my addled brain immediately started
spinning one with a hairy cock of preternaturally (or should that be
peternaturally) large overhang which tumesces at a moment's notice,
 and at parties groups of men "dock" with it in order to "grok" it. It
is hot in here.


-- 
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