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Subject: Re: "We are the world " Team of 80's
From: John.Mcmullan@comp.vuw.ac.nz (John Michael McMullan)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:43:38 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.

[stuff about bowling partnerships deleted!]

>So Hadlee owes his wickets to Chatfield?   This is my last word on these so
>called bowling partnerships.  Why is it that one-bowler teams never put
>together a solid string of performances at test level, even when the one bowler
>in question is returning very impressive figures?

[more stuff about bowling partnerships deleted!]

>He can hold his head high as a mediocre bowler who had the privelege of bowling
>opposite a great bowler.

>McBean

NO. He can hold his head high as one of the world's most economical bowlers.
In the 80s world of PACE he dominated with consistent line and length, and
is a model for every young bowler today.
From: mabg1084@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Alan Brodie)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Protea Cup Result
Summary: Score of Protea Cup Final
Keywords: South Africa
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:02:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw0vKG.E0o
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Cricket news from South Africa:

WP beat Tvl in the annual Protea Challenge match. It was a disaster
for Tvl, who were out for 141 - top scorer R Snell (!) with 34; best
bowler Matthews with 4/28. At one stage his analysis read 4 overs, 
2 maidens, 3 runs, 4 wickets. WP went on to make the 142 needed with 
4 wickets down (Allan Lamb 0), and 10 overs to spare.
From: taravade@beggs.ecn.purdue.edu (Kunal N Taravade)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: "We are the world " Team of 80's
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:43:53 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu (Spaceman Spiff) writes:

>In article <92281.195206HH9679A@auvm.american.edu>, Howard E. Hill-Esbrand
><HH9679A@auvm.american.edu> says:
>>
>>the team should be
>>Gavaskar (should be grouped in 70's but too great to exclude)
>>Greenidge
>>Miandad
>>Richards
>>Border
>>Gower
>>Imran
>>Dujon
>>Hadlee
>>Marshall
>>Garner
>>
>unfortunately, your team lacks a spinner and will be occasionally embarassed on
>a turning wicket (much like the WI were by bob holland, allan border and naren
>hirwani on separate occasions).

I really don't think this would be a problem for this team, though. This team 
boasts of Gavaskar and Miandad who were tremendous players of spin bowling,
IMO two of the three best in the past two decades (the other ofcourse, is
Zaheer Abbas, destroyer of Indian spinners). So maybe they won't be  able
to win a match on a spinner's track but they are not really in danger of being
humiliated in the manner you describe above.

-Kunal Taravade
School of Electrical Engineering
Purdue University.





>Stay cool,
>The Thinker

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From: mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: World rankings
Date: 14 Oct 92 11:26:52 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <00962071.542FA400@vms.csd.mu.edu>, 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
> In article <1992Oct13.154319.18831@gserv1.dl.ac.uk>, atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell) writes:
>>
>>After the discussions about whether Pakistans losses to England in the
>>ODI's this summer still make them World champs I present my current
>>world rankings of the 9 test playing nations, this is for all
>>international cricket.
> 
> 	stuff deleted
> 
>>what do you think folks?
> 
> I would like to give separate rankings for ODI and Tests
> 
> ODI
> ---
> 
> 1.Pakistan
> 2.England
> 3.South Africa
> 4.Australia
> 5.New Zealand
> 6.Sri Lanka
> 7.India
> 8.West Indies  (may be surprising , but they have to rebuild)
> 9.Zimbabwe

Come on, WI did beat Sri Lanka and India in their post Richards, Dujon, era;
not to mention the comprehensive annihilation of SA in their post World Cup
meetings.  Also, England for my money are the best 1-day team, even if they
didn't win the WC, and no way would I rank SA ahead of Australia, who are still
one of the best 1-day outfits about even if they didn't win the WC.  This is
like saying Denmark are better than Germany at football having beaten them in
the European Cup.
 I'd post the following rankings for ODI;

1. England 
2. Pakistan
3. Australia
4. New Zealand
5. West Indies
6. India
7= Sri Lanka and South Africa
9 Zimbabwe
> 
> Tests
> -----
> 
> 1.West Indies
> 2.Australia
> 3.Pakistan
> 4.England
> 5.New Zealand
> 6.India
> 7.South Africa
> 8.Sri Lanka

I would put 

1. West Indies
2. Australia
3. Pakistan
4. England
5. India
6. New Zealand (I am not fully convinced about their bowling post-Hadlee)
7. Sri Lanka
8. South Africa (One swallow does not a summer make)
> 
> (Zimbabwe has not played any tests so far - so no ranking)
> 
> Any Comments
> Bye,
> 

Pretty reasonable lists by and large.  Interesting that WI are playing
Australia and Pakistan in back to back series.  If WI lose to either side their
#1 ranking is surrenddered to Australia, until as such time when Australia lose
to Pakistan.  If they beat them both or draw the series, then they remain #1.


> ************************************************************
> N.Ramasubramanian          	    
> 
> Dept. of Mech. Engg.	        Listach for ROY
> Marquette University       
> ************************************************************
From: CS19241099G@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (Chris Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: FINAL SIX SIXES POSTING
Date: 16 Oct 92 07:19:57 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
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In <1992Oct15.234538.26419@datamark.co.nz> david@datamark.co.nz writes:

> In article <1992Oct15.171718.10212@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> SOCC9241430E@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (JACKSON,Chris) writes:
> >C'mon guys, let's get some clues about what we are posting now!  If anyone 
> >really gave a shit as to who has hot what, then they can look at it in the 
> >record books!!!!!!!
> >
> >Reading continuous streams of boring articles related to nothing in particular
> >doesnt excit many!!!!!  Get the act together and post something worthwhile!
> >
> >By the way.....the poms are useless!!!!  (Here is a topic to talk about)
> >
> Yeah... I agree.  They are almost as bad as the Auzzie's  :-)

Such a well constructed point that!  It is amazing the near success of a
world cup campaign gives people false senses of achievement......
Perhaps when NZ can consistantly win tests then perhaps one can make such
a statement......but then again you have got the better records havent you
*grin, laugh*.  Get an idea, and while you are at it, get a world cup!!!!
hahahahaha
 
> -- 
> | David Rowland       | The British are using New Zealanders.  They must |
> | Datamark Intl Ltd   | really mean business !                           |
> | Wellington          |      -  General Rommel During Northern African   |
> | NEW ZEALAND         |         Campaign WWII.                           |
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 10:18:55 EDT
From: Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: WA V Vic MM Cup
 <92286.121902SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu> <1992Oct12.194031.5080@sol.UVic.CA>

In article <1992Oct12.194031.5080@sol.UVic.CA>, rsiva@active.UVic.CA (Sivakumar
Radhakrishnan) says:
>
>In a bizarre league match in Victoria, B.C, Canada last summer, one of the    s
>team
>was shot out for 42 runs with the opener scoring 26 odd runs and carried
>his bat through. The rest of the runs came from Mr. Extras and the
>remaining 10 batsmen scored ducks. There were no hat-tricks though.
>Has someone come across any parallel incident to this at any level of
>cricket?
>
well, as far as having one batsman dominating the score, in 1st class cricket
the 2 prime examples have got to be:
1. glenn turner, 141 n.o. in  a total of 169 all out.
2. vijay hazare, 309 in a total of 387 all out. he shared a 300 run partnership
 with his brother vivek, who scored 21
in test cricket, the incidents that stand out are:
1. charlie bannerman, 165 retd. hurt out of 245 all out.
2. gordon greenidge, 134 out of 211 all out.
3. graham yallop, 121 out of 198 all out.

Stay cool,
The Thinker

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From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: World rankings
Date: 13 Oct 1992 16:16:05 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
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In article <1992Oct13.154319.18831@gserv1.dl.ac.uk>, atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell) writes:
>
>After the discussions about whether Pakistans losses to England in the
>ODI's this summer still make them World champs I present my current
>world rankings of the 9 test playing nations, this is for all
>international cricket.

	stuff deleted

>what do you think folks?

I would like to give separate rankings for ODI and Tests

ODI
---

1.Pakistan
2.England
3.South Africa
4.Australia
5.New Zealand
6.Sri Lanka
7.India
8.West Indies  (may be surprising , but they have to rebuild)
9.Zimbabwe

Tests
-----

1.West Indies
2.Australia
3.Pakistan
4.England
5.New Zealand
6.India
7.South Africa
8.Sri Lanka

(Zimbabwe has not played any tests so far - so no ranking)

Any Comments
Bye,

************************************************************
N.Ramasubramanian          	    

Dept. of Mech. Engg.	        Listach for ROY
Marquette University       
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From: m0a1530@zeus.tamu.edu (ABBAS, MUSTAFA)
Subject: Does nationality matter? SURE DOES.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:39:00 GMT

	How many players have we seen in present and past decades who
inspite of tremendous talents, could not make it to their natioanl teams
because some one better than them left no place for these poor souls.
	
	Most obvious of such cases were or are WIndian fast bowlers and 
also WI batsmen. In the 70s and 80s bowlers of the class of Roberts,
Holding, Garner and company left bowlers like W. daniel, Holder, Boyce,
and others sidelined. These bowlers could have made it to any other
team pretty easily.

	At present also, there are players who find it difficult to
get selected in the national team even tho they might rank among the
top in their fields. A case in point... aaqib javed.......i am not sure
whether aaqib's place in pakistan side is that sure. On a turning or a slow
pitch he might find himself out, or probably replaced by somene one. 

	Just a thought..... would aaqib be a regular indian bowler with
kapil if he were an indian national. Surely, he would have played for SL,
NZ, SA, and Zim.
	
	There are surely tens, if not hundreds, of such players who 
probably might be wishing that they were born elsewhere.
	
	Lets see how many of such CURRENT players can we figure out.
	HELP WANTED!
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:06:59 EDT
From: Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: "We are the world " Team of 80's
 <BvMMwB.JI9@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <6OCT199219351704@zeus.tamu.edu>
 <BvrnBp.5Dn@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <92281.195206HH9679A@auvm.american.edu>

In article <92281.195206HH9679A@auvm.american.edu>, Howard E. Hill-Esbrand
<HH9679A@auvm.american.edu> says:
>
>the team should be
>Gavaskar (should be grouped in 70's but too great to exclude)
>Greenidge
>Miandad
>Richards
>Border
>Gower
>Imran
>Dujon
>Hadlee
>Marshall
>Garner
>
unfortunately, your team lacks a spinner and will be occasionally embarassed on
a turning wicket (much like the WI were by bob holland, allan border and naren
hirwani on separate occasions).

Stay cool,
The Thinker

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From: warrier@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chandra C Warrier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Six sixes in an over
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:41:45 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Oct16.163027.25333@usl.edu> sgs@ucs.usl.edu (Sudhindranath SG) writes:
>In article <1992Oct16.070625.21723@news.Hawaii.Edu> annadata@nada.ics.Hawaii.Edu (Anil Annadata) writes:
>>
>
>>The two cricketers who hit six sixers in an over were
>>Ravi Shatri and Gary Sobers.
>      ^^^^^^
>
>      SHASTRI.
>
>>The unfortunate bowlers were Tilak Raj ( an unknown bowler in India)
>>and Malcom Nalsh.
>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>     MALCOLM NASH. (Hope I got it right!)
>>
>
> If I am right I think Shastri hit the <Fastest double century in that innings
in first class cricket.
BTW, I would like to know the state of the match when Shastri
>hit those six sixes. Was it heading towards a boring draw
>as is usually the case in India ? 
>
>Also, what was Shastri's individual score then ? Probably he had 
>already passed the three-figure mark and therefore had nothing to
>lose! I can take a bet that Shastri's flurry of sixes would have 
>had _nothing_ to do with the team's needs...
>
>Regards,
>
>--Sudhi.
>
>-- 
>*********************************************************************
>Sira Gopinath Sudhindranath. 
>email : sudhi@usl.edu, sgs@ucs.usl.edu
>*********************************************************************
>
>
>-- 
>*********************************************************************
>Sira Gopinath Sudhindranath. 
>email : sudhi@usl.edu, sgs@ucs.usl.edu
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:52:06 EDT
From: Howard E. Hill-Esbrand <HH9679A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: "We are the world " Team of 80's
 <BvMMwB.JI9@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <6OCT199219351704@zeus.tamu.edu>
 <BvrnBp.5Dn@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>

How can any team play Qadir before Holding or Garner? They have more wickets

less runs per wicket and less deliveries per wicket in fact they should play

before Botham or Dev for the same statistics can be applied and Botham and Dev

would come up lacking except for total wickets, but remember thru the 80's

the West Indies bowlers had to share their wickets with Roberts,Marshall,

Walsh,Patterson,Benjamin,Davis all of whom are very good bowlers. The other

test playing countries had basically one man attacks except Pakistan who

had Sarfraz then later Akram. Who partnered Hadlee ? Chatfield - not much of a

bowler. Botham had Dilley then Thomas,Cowans,Fraser who are these chaps

anyhow. And we all know that Kapil Dev opened India's attack from both ends.

the team should be
Gavaskar (should be grouped in 70's but too great to exclude)
Greenidge
Miandad
Richards
Border

Gower
Imran
Dujon
Hadlee
Marshall
Garner
T
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:02:13 EDT
From: Howard E. Hill-Esbrand <HH9679A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: "We are the world " Team of 80's
 <1992Oct8.144343.901@walter.bellcore.com>

Look guys if you are going to play  Qadir on sentiment go ahead!
The West Indies proved that you can become the greatest team on
earth without a spinner ! Our record reflects that, the West Indies
lost one test series in the last 14 years and we do not have a regular
spinner , What do you think kept us at the top for so many years?
Roberts, Holding,Croft,Daniel,Marshall,Clarke,Davis,Small,Walsh,
Patterson,Gray,Benjamin & Bishop. So if statistical data and reason
do not warrant the exclusion of Abdul Qadir from an 80'S eleven for
a more effective bowler, then select him to carry the water.
I recall in 1978 Colin Croft a West Indian quickie had figures of 8-29
against Pakistan at Queen's Park Oval in Trinidad which is a spinner's
paradise. On numerous occasions Malcolm Marshall wrecked India in India
as I recall India does not have anything half as quick as Perth or Sabina
Park. Abdul Qadir being as good as he was cannot make any UNBIASED XI of
the greatest players of the 80's before Imran,Marshall,Hadlee,Garner,Holding
Dev or even Botham.
nb I did not include Lillee,Willis or Roberts since they played more in the
70's than 80's in fact they all retired in the early 80's.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: chalmers@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (David Chalmers)
Subject: Re: WA V Vic MM Cup
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:47:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.194031.5080@sol.UVic.CA> rsiva@active.UVic.CA (Sivakumar  Radhakrishnan) writes:
>In a bizarre league match in Victoria, B.C, Canada last summer, one of the
>teams was shot out for 42 runs with the opener scoring 26 odd runs and carried
>his bat through. The rest of the runs came from Mr. Extras and the 
>remaining 10 batsmen scored ducks. There were no hat-tricks though.

In a match between Indiana and Purdue this year, one batsman for
Indiana got 23, and the second highest score was 3.  I got 1 (he
proudly boasts), and almost all the remaining scores were 0.  Not
quite as impressive as your story, but an ignominious day all the
same.  (Incidentally, Purdue batted first and got about 130.)

-- 
Dave Chalmers                            (dave@cogsci.indiana.edu)      
Center for Research on Concepts and Cognition, Indiana University.
"It is not the least charm of a theory that it is refutable."
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From: telsor@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Robert Morieson)
Subject: Re: World rankings
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 07:39:31 GMT


Towards the end of the Sri Lanka tour, Dean Jones, In his regular column
in the 'Sunday Age' newspaper, said that most of the Australian team
considered Sri Lanka to have a better team than India.

No flames please I'm just the messenger :)
-- 
I stab myself with the knife of life, to burn away the pain.
Telsor@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
Robert Morieson
From: s1172217@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Mark Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: MM Cup from Aus
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:53:35 GMT
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill, 3842, Australia

NSW V WA
NSW Batting
Small      48
Taylor     84
Waugh S     5
Waugh M     2
Bevan      41
Bayliss     2
Mcnamara    7
Matthews    0
Emery       7*
Holdsworth  0*

WA Bowling  O  R  W
Angel      10 44  2
Alderman    5 34  0
Julien     10 31  3
Reid       10 19  3
Moody      10 40  0
Martyn      5 32  0

WA Batting
Veletta   58
Langer    30
Moody     52*
Martyn    49*

NSW Bowling O  R  W
Holdsworth 10 37  0
Whitney     7 22  0
Waugh S     8 42  0
Mcnamara  8.5 39  1
Matthews   10 30  1
Waugh M     4 27  0

WA by 8 wickets with 2.1 overs to spare

+------------------------------------+
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|  <s1172217@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au> |
|  Churchill, Victoria, Australia.   |
|  Monash Uni Gippsland Computing    |
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From: sista@engr.latech.edu (Ravi K. Sista)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Six sixers in the same over!
Date: 10 Oct 92 19:41:53 GMT
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


	The bowler in whose bowling Ravi Sashtri hit six sixers in an over
was "Tilak Raj" from Baroda.  This happened during a Ranji Trophy match
at Wankhade Stadium in 1986.  "The Hindu" has captured the event through
the lens of R.Mohan who was lucky enough to watch that game.  BTW, even
the living legend Sunil Gavaskar was there to watch one of the greatest
events in Indian cricket.

With regards,

Ravi Kumar Sista

	"Sachin R. Tendulkar is the cricketer of the 90's"

JAI HIND
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From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
Subject: Re: "We are the world " Team of 80's
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 06:47:07 GMT

In article <92282.200214HH9679A@auvm.american.edu> Howard E. Hill-Esbrand <HH9679A@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>Look guys if you are going to play  Qadir on sentiment go ahead!
>The West Indies proved that you can become the greatest team on
>earth without a spinner ! Our record reflects that, the West Indies
>lost one test series in the last 14 years and we do not have a regular
>spinner , What do you think kept us at the top for so many years?


You forget that at one time, the bowler with the most wickets in test cricket
( with over 300 wickets) was a west indian spinner 

sahibzada rafay khan[guess the name and win a prize]


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From: karnik@deci.cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik)
Subject: Re: Six sixers in the same over!
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:49:02 GMT

In <1992Oct9.085716.4711@mailhost.ocs.mq.edu.au> s8921366@macgraw.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Paul English) writes:

>I remember one of the English spinners, possibly Phil Emburey (sp?) being
>hit for six sixers in a tour game in India a few years back, but this may
>not have been a first class match.  Anyone have any details?

	Not really, but it couldn't have been a first class game. The only 
two instances of this feat in first class cricket remain the ones by Sobers
and Shastri.

>    Paul English
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