HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cjr6495@tamsun.tamu.edu (Christopher James Rogers)
Subject: Re: Mars probe?
Keywords: Mars
Organization: PFF
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:07:39 GMT

In article <26375@castle.ed.ac.uk> fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:
>sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>
>
>=>There was also a story a while back on the Fox network program
>=>"Sightings" about how supposedly Soviet ground controllers lost mysteriously
>=>lost contact with one of their Phobos probes orbiting Mars, this was in
>=>1989 or 90.  The last photo it transmitted was of one of Mars's moons,
>=>but their was also a second large obejct in the photo....
>
>Mars?
>
>=>Simon
>
>FoFP

Sorry, but no.  It was not Mars.  The object was long and cylindrical.  As of 
yet, it is not explained.
From: murraysd@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Stephen D Murray)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Faq
Date: 6 Oct 92 10:10:25 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.



Could someone please post the Faq, or mail it to me or tell me how to ftp it?
I lose my access in a couple of days and I'd like to have the Faq before that.

 Thanks to all who replied to my posts.

 Cheers, Stephen D Murray.
       <murraysd@dcs.gla.ac.uk>  (till Thursday )
From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Auras
Date: 3 Oct 92 06:30:01 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/428.0 - <ParaNet(sm) , Arvada CO


 > As a little girl, I saw auras, as an adult, I still see auras.  If this
 > is a
 > figment of my imagination, then I must have a really good one.

Usually that signals the onset of diabetes.  :-)

--  
Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422
UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
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From: rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon)
Subject: Spokesman for Earth: It's time to vote!
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 13:37:04 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Just Netcom
Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors

The voting booth is now open.  Votes timestamped 00:00 GMT Wednesday,
30 September or earlier will be counted.  Vote for one candidate as
the person you want elected as the single voice to speak for the
planet in communications with extraterrestrial intelligences, should
they be found to exist.

The candidates for Spokesman for Earth are:

Mikhail Gorbachev        Walter Cronkite         Bill Moyers
Xaviera Hollander        lightnin@wpi.wpi.edu    Leader Kibo
Cyrus Vance              Cicciolina              John Major
Dr. Timothy Leary        Mother Theresa          Pierre Salinger
Jesus of Nazareth        Pele                    Stephen Hawking
Margaret Thatcher        Geoff Miller, American  Gene Spafford
Mel Gibson               Carl Sagan              Hilary Clinton
Peter Gabriel and Brian Eno                      Boris Yeltsin
Steven Spielberg and George Lucas                "The Pope"
Gary Stollman            John Winston            The Dalai Lama
Pee-Wee Herman           Robert Redford          Cindy Crawford
Richard Nixon            John Romer              James Burke
William F. Buckley       Barbra Streisand        Princess Diana
Rick Gordon              "Anybody but David Frost"
Dizzy Gillespie          Umberto Eco             Johnny Carson
Nelson Mandela           Anita Hill              Ingmar Bergman
Samuel Ramey             Aretha Franklin         John Updike
Frank Sinatra            Li Po                   Jimmy Carter
"Anyone in Bangladesh, Somalia, or parts of the former Soviet bloc that have
been ruined by pollution"                        Ted Williams
"someone who does something nice"                Geoff Miller, Australian
Robert Sheaffer          Captain Kangaroo        William S. Burroughs
Idi Amin                 Laurie Anderson         Mary Shafer
Harpo Marx


To vote for one candidate, send Email to Earth@ed.ac.uk, with the line

	Vote: <Candidate Name>

somewhere in the body of the message, for instance:

	Vote: Dizzy Gillespie

or

	Vote: Mary Shafer

Votes must be timestamped between the opening and closing times to be counted,
though they may arrive at any time after the opening of the voting booth.
Votes will be counted and the results posted Friday, 2 October, 1992.

For an expanded version of these instructions, see article
"The Voting Booth" <44763@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> in alt.alien.visitors,
dated 10:44:06 GMT, 24 Sep 92.

-- 
Rick Gordon      | "Often in error, never in doubt." 
rickg@netcom.com |   --- Universal Marketing Department motto
From: linebaug@basalt.cps.msu.edu (Kurt P Linebaugh)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 ---> October2, 1992
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:03:39 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

Today is October 2, 1992--  three months from July 4, 1992.  I am sick and  
tired of seeing this subject.  GIVE IT A REST!
_

Kurt P. Linebaugh
linebaug@cps.msu.edu
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From: nanook@eskimo.celestial.com (Robert Dinse)
Subject: Re: What Do You Think?
Summary: UFO's and the collapse of civilization...
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:27:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.173457.1@cubldr.colorado.edu>, crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
> WOULD the mass of people go completely ape if it was established that UFOs
> and Visitors are real?  I can't quite make up my mind.  Let's have some
> discussion on this and see what peoples's views are.

     My belief is that they >ARE< real, thus if it were "established", it would
to me, only be official recognition.  I don't really think I am going
completely ape now, I doubt official recognition would change that much.

     I am concerned about where this is all going to lead.  On earth, anytime
a more technologically advanced civilization has met a less technologically
advanced civilization, it has not been good for the less technologically
advanced civilization.

     Will the extra-terrestrials have morals as we know them?  I tend to think
they would have destroyed themselves before they reached a state of
technological advancement sufficient for inter-stellar travel if they had none.

     So what will it mean for our "civilization" (and I use the term loosely)?

     Some things I would expect to come of it..  I would think that it would
give people a more "global" view of our planet and perhaps then we could start
cooperating to preserve it and stop killing each other.  I suspect the presence
of aliens on this planet would pose some delimas for religious fanatics and
with any luck they would find themselves less in a position of power.

     I also hope that along with technological advancement, alien visitors
might posses some degree of cultural advancement, appreciate art, etc, and
that we might be able to mutually exchange forms of art and views and history.

     I dunno, I think it would be interesting, I don't think it would result
in the total destruction of civilization as we know it though no doubt it will
upset some folks belief systems.

Xref: sparky alt.alien.visitors:7142 sci.skeptic:17352
From: stanley@verga.enet.dec.com (My name is...)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Face on Mars An Other Time
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:49:59 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Oct2.092744.26671@netcom.com>, obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien) writes...
>In article <schumach.717988616@convex.convex.com> schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher) writes:
>>You're on: my hundred dollars that the stupid "Face" is natural
>>against your dollar that the "face" is artificial, with the 
>>proviso that WE mutually agree on the decision. No appeal to
>>any third party: this will put your integrity and mine on
>>public trial. What say you? (I must say that I don't expect 
>>the Mars Observer to return a high resolution image of the thing,
>>because the high resolution camera can't really be aimed...)
> 
> 
>I'd like a 'piece of this action' as well.  Same terms.  I'm willing
>to part with $100 if I can be convinced it was configured by some form
>of intelligence (~= a beehive would be sufficient)  So long as I can expect
>$1 if you, Josh, can be convinced it is some combination of natural terrain
>features, shadow, and camera angle.  From your postings, I doubt you are
>quite the typical open-minded skeptic, but that just means I'm accepting
>what I calculate to be about 100000:1 odds.  Good enough in my opinion.
> 
> 
> 
>	Bob O'Brien
> 
>No .sig, but if I had one, it *might* say:
> 
>"I'm almost *absolutely* convinced space is so vast that there *must* be
>(other) intelligent life out there somewhere.  I'm *just as* convinced that
>space is so vast that we'll not only never make contact, but never find
>even the flimsiest of trace"
> 
>then again, it *might* say:
> 
>"Intelligent life in the universe?  Not anywhere *I've* seen!"
> -----------
> 

Can I get a piece of this too? :-)

I'll go even farther... I'll bet that the proof turns out to be that
there are *many* faces found.. not just one.. how's that for proof?

Mary
From: lizi@ocf.berkeley.edu (Cosma R. Shalizi)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: computers in UFO
Date: 4 Oct 1992 23:10:20 GMT
Organization: Vampire Research Group at Berkeley :)
NNTP-Posting-Host: tsunami.berkeley.edu
Summary: Twit.

In article <jhakumak.715797870@messi.uku.fi> jhakumak@messi.uku.fi (Juhana Hakum{ki) writes:
>UFOs do not use the fly-by-computer method. Thus, there are no computers on
>board. By utilizing a method called fly-by-wire, they eliminate the need for
>expensive electronic gear. Besides, it gives you a much better "feel" of the
>craft.
>Juhana Hakum{ki, Department of Physiology, University of Kuopio, Finland.
>E-mail: jhakumak@messi.uku.fi  *  Disclaimer: Opinions, if any, are mine.
    Fly-by-wire IS fly-by-computer!! The "wire" means ELECTRONICS. Sheesh.
And ponder this: At a speed of only c, you're doing one foot per nanosecond.
They either need computers or brains as fast as computers.
Besides, _expensive_ electronic gear? WE can make electronics cheaply enough;
the per unit memory cost of computers is falling exponentially. If a
civilization that can make faster than light spaceships can't make
inexpensive computers, then, well... say! Do you suppose THAT'S why they're
interested in us? Maybe on Oct. 12, all over the world, hundreds of 
whadeveryacallems will show up at EE departments demanding to have the
mystery of the integrated circuit revealed unto them?
	Cosma Rohilla Shalizi
	In Real Life: lizi@ocf.berkeley.edu
	larval physicist
"Dammit, Fno'gid, where's my slide-rule?"
-- 
"Some savages are persuaded by the 'natural light' that it is their duty to
 eat people, and even Voltaire's savages, who are led by the voice of reason
 to hold that one should only eat Jesuits, are not wholly satisfactory."
-Bertrand Russell on Rousseau in _A History of Western Philosophy_, p. 694
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From: dah@tko.vtt.fi (David Harwood)
Subject: Re: What Do You Think?
Organization: VTT
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:06:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.042735.14161@eskimo.celestial.com> nanook@eskimo.celestial.com (Robert Dinse) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.173457.1@cubldr.colorado.edu>, crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>> WOULD the mass of people go completely ape if it was established that UFOs
>> and Visitors are real?  I can't quite make up my mind.  Let's have some
>> discussion on this and see what peoples's views are.
[....]
>
>     I dunno, I think it would be interesting, I don't think it would result
>in the total destruction of civilization as we know it though no doubt it will
>upset some folks belief systems.
>
\\\\\\
Anyway, we find out what are their religious beliefs, and this would
surely have some effect on us. (Who knows what they believe? They may
not be atheists after all. I recall that Augustine speculated that the
visible starry heavens were inhabited by angelic beings. (in his long
book, _The City of God_, as I recall reading long ago). Maybe they are
on better terms with God (?).


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From: joshua@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: What Do You Think?
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 05:54:45 GMT

rhys@cs.uq.oz.au (Rhys Weatherley) writes:

>You must crawl before you walk.  Newtonian mechanics is still taught in 
>schools even though we know that Einstein showed it to be strictly incorrect.
>It is still taught because it is easier to understand than Einsteinian 
.mechanics, and forms a good basis for beginning to understand Einsteinian 
>mechanics.  The current education system can form just as good a basis for 
>alien technology as it does for human technology.

sorry, newtonian mechanics is taught because it is absolutely accurate in
just about all situations. it only begins to break down at very high
accelerations. artillery and interplanetary flight calculations are per-
formed using newtonian mechnics.

josh
From: MANEJWZA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: I am Earl.
Date: 27 Sep 92 06:46:10 GMT
Organization: Vanderbilt University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

Hello,

I am Earl from the planet Rigel 7.

I have come to swallow all of the swamp gas on Earth.

Would someone please direct me to the Florida Everglades?
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From: gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown)
Subject: Re: What Do You Think?
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:36:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.042735.14161@eskimo.celestial.com> nanook@eskimo.celestial.com (Robert Dinse) writes:
>     Some things I would expect to come of it..  I would think that it would
>give people a more "global" view of our planet and perhaps then we could start
>cooperating to preserve it and stop killing each other.I suspect the presence
>of aliens on this planet would pose some delimas for religious fanatics and
>with any luck they would find themselves less in a position of power.
>

Applies to political and intellectual portions of our society as well. Hence
the reason for the  suppression of the knowledge of alien presence, if it 
exists.

Gregg.

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From: music@moravian.edu (Steve Heller)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Interdimensional communication...
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:00:47 GMT

In <90774@netnews.upenn.edu> jmv@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Jean-Marc Vezien) writes:

>In article <1992Sep28.185151.20705@engage.pko.dec.com>, stanley@verga.enet.dec.com (My name is...) writes:
>> 
>> In article <717331015.0@krypta.fidonet.org>, Andre.Eichner@f10.n2403.z2.fidonet.org (Andre Eichner) writes...
>> >Hello All!
>> > 
>> >Is anybody interested oder working on interdimensional communication with 
>> >aliens oder any other?
>> > 
>> >cheers
>> >   Andre

>> If this means what I think it means, Andre.... I'm interested.
>> 
>> mary


>I smell a conspiracy.
>interdimensional communication ? a new AT&T plan ????

>J "Friends and Family and Aliens" M.


Or ..."Friends and Past & Future Family".
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From: gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown)
Subject: Re: Auras
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:09:46 GMT

In article <1aflk8INNj37@male.EBay.Sun.COM> kathieg@tinkerbell.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>RA,
>
>As a little girl, I saw auras, as an adult, I still see auras.  If this is a 
>figment of my imagination, then I must have a really good one.  
>
>Kathie G.  ;.)

No! Its not your imagination. Just dirty glasses or dirt in your eyes. I see
auras all the time. Usually when I am squinting from the sun. Its not a big
deal, I have learned to deal with them. ;>

Gregg.


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From: kauffman@slab.unt.edu (DON KAUFFMAN)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: ANTI-GRAV_PATENT_???
Keywords: What's up, Doc?
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:33:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: School of Library & Info Sci, UNT

In article <1992Sep30.170511.25574@cbnews.cb.att.com> mvbth@cbnews.cb.att.com (bernard.t.hebert) writes:
>
> While perusing the NET today I came across an article in Sci.space.shuttle
>regarding the following matter :
>
>"Method and Apparatus for Generating a Secondary Gravitational Force Field"
>
>	U. S Patent # 3,626,605 awarded to Henry M. Wallace December 14, 1971.
>
>My questions are as follows :
>
>1.	How does one find out if there IS such a patent without going through
>	a Patent Attorney ?

Many libraries have books which list patents and documents pertaining
to individual patents, listed by patent number, I believe.
Some libraries have CD-ROM patent databases which also allow searching
for the patent holder or subject.

>2. 	As a U. S. Citizen, am I entitled to see such a document ?

It's not a right, but it is available to you, and should be at your
local library.

>3.	Will it cost me very much money to see such a document should I be 
>	able to do so ?

Not at a library.
 
> Not that I can believe that twenty years ago some one came up with an actual
>working model, but I would like to see the document if it exists.
>

I would also like to see it.  I'll check in my university library later
today, and report the results here if noone else has already done so.

						Don Kauffman
From: rhys@cs.uq.oz.au (Rhys Weatherley)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Well, it's October ...
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:35:37 GMT
Reply-To: rhys@cs.uq.oz.au

Well, it's now October 1st, 1992 here in sunny Queensland, Australia.  For
those of you who are new to alt.alien.visitors, there have been rumors and
crazy-posts flying all year that October would see some big relevation about
aliens, UFOs, etc, from the US government or military.

So, keep your eyes glued to your TV sets everyone.  One never knows.

I reckon that such an announcement this close to the US election is _very_
unlikely, but I won't kick up a stink if I'm proved wrong.  Any big
announcement in October is more likely to be about some mundane US political
matter that the rest of the world (including me) doesn't give a damn about.

Cheers,

Rhys.

P.S. Kids, supaglue should not be used when glueing your eyes to the TV.  It
     is very difficult to remove, and could be damaging to your eyes.  :-)
--
Rhys Weatherley, University of Queensland, Australia.
rhys@cs.uq.oz.au  "I'm a FAQ nut - what's your problem?"
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From: gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown)
Subject: Re: Vallee's Revelations
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:39:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.121546.22017@rayssd.ssd.ray.com> plw@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (White) writes:
>Now that Vallee's book Revelations has come out in paperback, I 
>picked it up.  Thank God. 
>
>Reading the book has provided a psychological attenuator for 
>much of the Cooper/Lear/UMMO/Pleidian/fill in your own fringe group
>noise that has threatened to drown any interest I may have had in 
>the UFO phenomenon.  
>
>Vallee's interviews and research and his clear writing style take
>one through the tangled stories and the hidden agendas of their 
>participants.  Vallee's reputation allows him access to these people
>that the normal person with an interest in the UFO culture would not
>have.  Then he asks the hard questions.
>
>For example, if there is a secret base under Area 51, "Who takes out
>the garbage?"  "Why haven't any of the civilian surveying satellites
>picked any traces of this base?" etc.
>
>Vallee's conclusion is that disinformation is probably the reason
>for most of this noise. Citing the intelligence background of
>Cooper/Lear/Moore et al, a vague pattern emerges.  However, the 
>reason behind the coordinated feeding and care of the disinformation
>campaign cannot be firmly grasped.
>
>So I recommend this book, if you follow this newsgroup and your
>kill file is getting larger and larger.
>
>========================================
>Paul White
>plw@ray.com
>My opinions are not those of Raytheon
>======================================== 


Thanx for the tip on the book. I just picked it up yesterday and read a 
small number of pages. Looks good. I will hit is as soon as I finish
Secret Life by Jacobs. He gives a very ineresting and detailed history of
UFO happenings in the USA. Being a history prof, I think he did a good
turn for the readers of Secret Life. Basically, he pulls the BS out and
lays it on the table first thing. 

Gregg.
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From: clc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (The Clone of Claudio Calvelli)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Vote - final results
Date: 6 Oct 92 07:36:37 GMT
Reply-To: clc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (The Clone of Claudio Calvelli)
Organization: The Alternative Universe

In article <Bvop4A.D6C@world.std.com> James "Kibo" Parry writes:
> 
> >40 Kibo
> > 1 Me                    (whoever that is: one of the messages was "Vote: Me")
> 
> Didn't that one have a "From: kibo@world.std.com" header?

No, the message was from somebody who wasn't in the run.

Kibo's message contained an explicit vote. But, since Kibo is Kibo
(or so I think), we can allow Kibo to change Kibo's vote from "Vote: Kibo"
to "Vote: Me":

39 Kibo
 2 Me

But then, "Kibo" is not "Me" and I am not Kibo anyway, so there must be
something wrong with this.

> 						-- K.

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