HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jons@stud.cs.uit.no (Jon Vidar Schneider)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: PBM
Date: 5 Jan 93 11:30:54 GMT
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway

Does anybody know about an interesting PBM??? Please let me know.

- jons@stud.cs.uit.no (Gimmie)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: MOORES@BNR.CA (Richard Moores)
Subject: Re: Liverpool - my boys!
Followup-To: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:27:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.182423.2660@dct.ac.uk>, mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john
bell) wrote:

> the only reason everyone is enjoying liverpool being crap just now (and for a
> while yet if souness stays manager) is all the dodgy penalties, media coverage
> etc they got.

More like, "because of all the trophies they have ammassed over the past
thirty years".


Richard Moores - Koppite In Exile                     
Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada.  
MOORES@BNR.CA                            
FAX:(613) 763-7283 Phone:(613) 763-4687 
My opinions, not BNR's   


Liverpool Football Club
THE most succesfull English Club
of all time...just check the facts
From: CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu (Christopher S. Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: US vs England in Boston area
Date: 12 Jan 1993 15:24:43 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

 >...PRIME & SportsChannel

Well, I *hope* it will be good for soccer.

Chris

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From: dvp@oasis.icl.co.uk (Dave Parry)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Why Liverpool????
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:45:33 GMT
Organization: The Mountains of Madness
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

esp@meiko.co.uk writes:
> 
> 
>  
> Shame on you lot!!!
> 
> Don't get me wrong I've nothing against the supporters of the Liverpools, Man U's and Leeds of this World.... as long as they live in or around Liverpool, Manchester or Leeds. But it's those who simply support these teams because... well they win a lot... they're big teams... they're in Europe... etc etc. They think they're special because they rarely have to face the possiblity of defeat. Pathetic!! They deserve no respect from any real football fan! I ask you, where's the passion? 
> 
> I just wish this lot would look over their shoulder and take a look at their local teams, OK the quality may not be too good, but to these teams and their supporters every game is about survival and the dream of one day being up there with the big boys.
> 

For this worthy sentiment, you win a years subscription to When
Saturday Comes. :-)

Dave
> Steve
> 
> Support Your LOCAL team!!!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: ponte@aer.com. (Rui Ponte)
Subject: Is there a problem with posting to r.s.s?
Organization: Atmospheric & Environmental Research, Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:27:54 GMT

For the last few days, I have only seen articles about english and
american soccer posted on r.s.s. I assume these have been posted by
people in England and US. I wonder if there is any problem with the
distribution of postings to r.s.s.


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: trones@dxcern.cern.ch (Jostein Lodve Trones)
Subject: Dates wanted: WC94 Eurogroup 1 qualifying
Reply-To: trones@dxcern.cern.ch (Jostein Lodve Trones)
Organization: CERN, European Laboratory for Particle Physics, Geneva
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:24:11 GMT


For some strange reason I managed to delete my file containing the dates
for the upcomming WC94 qualifying matches for Europe Group 1.

Does anybody out there have them? 
Well, of course you do, I mean I got them
from someone out there in the first place, but could anybody be so kind
as to mail them to me?

Thank's a lot!

Cheers, 
	Jostein
From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tim Chown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: English News: Autoglass draw
Date: 4 Jan 93 14:41:10 GMT


 Second round draw:

 Northern Section

 Bury/Rochdale  v  Scunthorpe
 Rotherham      v  Blackpool/Preston
                   or Wigan
 Darlington     v  Bolton/Bury
                   or Rochdale
 Blackpool or
 Preston        v  Burnley
 Huddersfield   v  Doncaster
 Scarborough    v  Bradford
 Stockport      v  Hartlepool
 Hull           v  Chesterfield


 Southern Section

 Brighton or    v  Walsall/Mansfield
 Reading           or West Brom
 Northampton    v  Hereford
 Exeter/Torquay v  Brighton/Reading
 or Plymouth       or Bournemouth
 Walsall/M'fld  v  Exeter/Torquay
 or West Brom      or Plymouth
 Wrexham/Stoke
 or Crewe       v  Barnet
 Leyton Orient  v  Wrexham/Stoke
                   or Crewe
 Port Vale      v  Fulham
 Cardiff        v  Swansea
From: jimh@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Man-U-Shited-don't count your chickens
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:14:55 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620


  So Man UTD are "on the march". They beat some second rate Cockney gits
4-1 & everyone thinks they're home & dry. Honestly, if the weekend's press
was anything to go by we might as well finish the season NOW & present
them with their "long awaited" Championship. I'm sure Graham Taylor would
be more than pleased with this, but not me pal!

  As soon as the going gets tough, Ohh Arr Eric will get dropped, & he'll
go crying to his agent to seek a transfer to "a club that understands him"!

  Norwich may be dying but Villa will stick around like shit on UTD's shoes,
happy to be the underdogs while all the expectancy & pressure is dumped on
UTD. And when sad Fergie's bottom lip starts to quiver, & his pants start to 
fill with the fear of failure......we'll be there!
                                                  Jimothy

"They,ve choked before, who's to say they won't choke again..."
                                              - Alan Hansen on UTD - Dec '92
From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: WC Qualifier Result Wanted (Cyp v Bel)
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:37:13 GMT
Organization: Federation Internationale de Football Association

gibson@crisium.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson) writes:

>I've been out of touch with r.s.s. for a while ... could someone fill me in on
>the result of the Cyprus-Belgium WC94 qualifier held, supposedly, on the 2nd?
>Thanks in advance ...

The game has, to the best of my knowledge, not been played. I don't why, nor
do I have any idea when it's going to be played.
-- 
Jesper Lauridsen      |  Bayern Mu"nchen - 12xChampions, 8xCup Winner,
rorschak@daimi.aau.dk |                    3xEC1 and 1xEC2 Winner
                    We'll be back
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: JI.RCB@ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU
Subject: Re: AYSO and the destruction of american soccer
Organization: Iowa State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:32:38 GMT

In article <t0d=DH-@engin.umich.edu>,
bjpc@engin.umich.edu (Brian Jeffrey Cook) writes:
>i saw some information posted about american youth soccer.
>well i thought i would throw in my two cents.
>
>many leagues have subscribed to the AYSO way of thinking.
>everybody plays an equal amount, no matter how good the player is.
>this defeats the beauty of competition.  kids do not have ambition
>to get better cause they know that AYSO is going to get them
>nowhere.
>
>i graduated from this system and i can testify that is sucks.
>i started playing at age 5 and did not hit a real competitive
>league until i was about 14.  that is 7 years of wasted play.
>i did enjoy myself a bit, but competition was frowned upon.
>it was not good for the team.  unfortunatly this system is still
>in use in many in-house leagues and it stifles competition and
>the drive to get better.
>
>for america to get real soccer, we must throw out the AYSO system of
>thinking and get real players!!!!!!!
>
>just my thoughts.....bjpc
>

I surely hope  that  we  never  throw-out  the  values  of  youth
development  in  our  quest for athletic excellence.  Clearly you
have forgotten that the goals of youth programs  should never  be
solely  to develop high level players.

Competitive drive  in  most  children   isn't   developed   until
adolesence.   Most  leagues  have  competitive  and  recreational
divisions  starting  about  age 10 - 12.  This allows the players
who are serious about the sport  to  advance  at  a  faster  pace
without  forcing  all  kids into one mold.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF)
Subject: Re: US Soccer News & Thoughts
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:06:29 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

More on Eric Wynalda. He was recently chosen by ONZE [one of the biggest French
soccer magazines] for their "Future XI" of players that are expected to perform
well in America'94. The emphasis was on youth, Denmark's Brian Laudrup,
Sweden's Thomas Brolin and Italy's Gianluigi Lentini were all there. It was an
impressive lineup, and for the first time an American did not seem out of place
there. Wynalda has been as big a sensation as any young player in Europe so
far.
---
Eric is also planning to help the Germans promote racial tolerance. He and
Anthony Yeboah, the Ghanaian superstar who plays for Frankfurt, went on a
German TV talk show to condemn racial hatred. Wynalda says that he, being
white, have had no problems but that German attitudes towards foreign-born
players can be hostile. There was an ugly incident in Leverkusen (before he
became famous), though. A local fan confronted Wynalda on the street and told
him to go home, that he would never make it. "It scared the hell out of me"
Wynalda admitted. 


MARCU$

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Computer Science
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Finland
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: SOCCER NEWSGROUP
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:05:15 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

cjones@dbaccess.com (Carl Jones) writes:

>fmhv@minerva.inesc.pt (Fernando Manuel Vasconcelos) writes:
>: In article <ccadeff.726617514@sadeff> ccadeff@sadeff.vislab.olemiss.edu (Sergio Adeff) writes:
>: 
>: But I think We should be better off leaving things as they are and getting a
>: good news reader ...
>: -- 
>I agree!!
>However, this implies that follow-up posters "use the same subject" so
>that threads can be easily followed!

I think most posters already do this though it can lead to the discussion
going off on weird tangents which end up having no relation to what the
subject header says.
Something like trn should let you follow the threads you are interested in
and give those your not a miss.

The alternative is to buils a kill file for either subject or poster but
that's a rather dubious path as those who's postings your killing may
actually say something relavent to the subject your dealing with and you'll
miss it, so subject kills are probably safer.
A threaded newsreader like trn seems the best option.

Me?

I run nn and ignore those I'm not interested in, I can pre-select those
articles I want to read before going into the read process.

Dave

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: paull@plasma.co.uk (Paul Lee)
Subject: Re: Why Liverpool????
Reply-To: paull@plasma.co.uk
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 11:11:54 GMT

In article 2659@dct.ac.uk, mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell) writes:

>if you are referring to me, i have supported AC since around 84, when they were
>crap and juventus were winning everything. And as for all this bollocks about
>supporting your local side, i do. I live 17 miles from dundee and indeed
>support the super dees. I have been to over 250 matches in the last few years
>Who the hell do you support then?
>

It's a bit sad really. Do you fly out to every match? Know any good AC songs do you?
Tell us all what you mean by "SUPPORT" - do you mean watch on the Telly? Have you
been to AC Milan - How many times? 

Up the Owls

---


		Cheers,
			Paul Lee (Hoppy)


			Meiko Scientific Ltd.

			Email: paull@meiko.com
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: SSL Super...don't make me laugh
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:59:01 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell) writes:

>> the best facilities of any football ground in the Uk therefore I think that I
>> get value for money for my season ticket.
>> Also ask yourself this, what happened to all the cash that Celtic made in their
>> good years, was it invested back into the ground ? No I think not. It went into
>> the directors wallets.

>why are all huns so obsessed with what celtic are doing?

..because they had 9 looong years sitting in the wings a while back as Celtic
totally dominated Scottish fitba'


Dave
--
From: seanb@cs.man.ac.uk (Sean Bechhofer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Man City Gloom and Doom
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:40:46 GMT


  Things have been going from bad to worse at Maine Road in the last few
days. I wasn't quite correct when I said in an earlier report that Ian
Brightwell had left the field on Saturday with a calf injury - it was in
fact his knee. It now transpires that he has considerable damage to the
knee, which could keep him out of action for a couple of months. With Andy
Hill out for some time as well, Peter Reid has been forced to sign some
emergency cover for the right back spot. Step forward Ray Ranson. The 32
year old, who played at Maine Road in the early eighties, has been signed
on an indefinite loan from Newcastle, where he's been unable to get into
the first team since the signing of Beresford, and will make his debut
against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge. To add to the misery, Steve McMahon has
incurred a two match ban after picking up a booking at Anfield last Monday.

  Bearing in mind Chelsea's long unbeaten League run, the prognosis doesn't
look good for the Blues on Saturday, and with key matches coming up,
including home games against Blackburn and Arsenal, and the Third round FA
cup replay away at Reading, the future is distinctly bleak......

Cheers,

	Sean B
From: dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Daniel Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: FA Trophy draw
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:41:00 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

In <38492@cbmvax.commodore.com> spence@cbmvax.commodore.com (Spencer Shanson) writes:

>Could someone please post the draw for the FA Trophy 2nd round?
>(or at least let me know who Enfield will be playing).

Kidderminster Harriers, of the GMVC. Apparently Roberts has been trying
to sign fellow ex-Spur David Leaworthy from Kidderminster but had his
offer of #12,000 turned down (Leaworthy is the current leading scorer in
the Conference).

Daniel Cohen              Department of Computer Science 
Email: dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk   Queen Mary and Westfield College
Tel: +44 71 975 5245/4/9  Mile End Road, London E1 4NS, UK
Fax: +44 81 980 6533      *** Glory, Glory, Hallelujah ***
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: gvanmoor@nrao.edu (Gustaaf Van Moorsel,,,)
Subject: Re: Is there a problem with posting to r.s.s?
Reply-To: gvanmoor@nrao.edu
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 00:04:01 GMT

In article 726348474@aer.com, ponte@aer.com. (Rui Ponte) writes:
>For the last few days, I have only seen articles about english and
>american soccer posted on r.s.s. I assume these have been posted by
>people in England and US. I wonder if there is any problem with the
>distribution of postings to r.s.s.
>

I can only speak for the rest of Europe: virtually all countries have a winter
stop which lasts 6 - 8 weeks, during which teams play lucrative indoor tourna-
ments which to my opinion have very little to do with football. The British
on the other hand go on and it is mainly their results you are hearing about
at the moment.

Gustaaf van Moorsel
From: kgamble@OES.ORST.EDU (Kevin Gamble)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: U of Maryland Soccer
Date: 8 Jan 1993 19:31:23 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University Extension Service, Corvallis, OR
NNTP-Posting-Host: oes.orst.edu

In article <1993Jan8.063831.6516@ultb.isc.rit.edu> gnb7781@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>I was hoping someone can fill me in on the situation at the University
>of Maryland concerning last year's soccer coach.  I heard he got fired.
>Is this true?  Who replaced him?  How did the team do this year?  

Alden Shattuck resigned about a week after the season ended. The players
had signed a petition calling for his firing, so the resignation
was done under pressure. Maryland was 0-5 in the ACC, and 5-11 overall.

I haven't seen anything on a new coach yet, but Maryland wouldn't
be too bad of place to coach. All you have to do is look at the
Maryland reared players at Virginia, NC State, and elsewhere to
realize that the state produces some talent.

Kevin Gamble (kgamble@ces.ncsu.edu)
From: dvp@oasis.icl.co.uk (Dave Parry)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Just another example of the 'fabulous' Eng
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:41:58 GMT
Organization: The Mountains of Madness
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

PKARLIOT%KNOX.BITNET@UICVM.UIC.EDU writes:
> 
>       GO LIVERPOOL!!!!!!
>                                                              Panos
And take this Greek git with you!

Dave
From: collins@prl.philips.nl (Donie Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Belgian League results. round 18.
Date: 10 Jan 1993 15:43:03 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

League round 18.
Games played 9/1 and 10/1.

 SK Beveren        0 FC Luik           0

 Lierse SK         1 Club Brugge       2
 Rekdal              Verspaille
                     Booy

 AA Gent           3 Charleroi         1
 Viscaal             Silvagni
 Porte
 Vanderlinden

 RSC Anderlecht    4 Lommel            2
 Albert              Haagdoren
 Nilis(2)            Vangeneugden
 Versavel

 Racing Genk       2 RWD Molenbeek     1
 Claessens           Rubenilson
 Goots

 Standard Luik     1 Royal Antwerp FC  5
 Van Rooij           Severeyens(4)
                     Lehnhoff

 Waregem           3 Lokeren           1
 ??????              Samson
 Vidmar
 Kruzen

 Germinal Ekeren   7 Boom              0
 Hofmans(4)
 Diagne
 Claessen
 Tahamata

 Cercle Brugge     0 KV Mechelen       3
                     Versavel
                     Eykelkamp
                     Bartholomeeussen

Table
-----                             Goals
Team                PL    PTS   For  Against
Anderlecht          18    31    44   15
Standard Luik       18    25    36   24
KV Mechelen         18    22    32   22
Waregem             18    22    47   26
AA Gent             18    22    30   20
Club Brugge         18    22    22   15
RWDM                18    20    28   20
FC Antwerp          18    19    34   32
Charleroi           18    19    31   28
Beveren             18    19    19   22
Lierse SK           18    18    28   23
Cercle Brugge       18    16    40   42
FC Luik             18    16    25   37
KRC Genk            18    16    21   19
Germinal Ekeren     18    11    28   40
Boom                18    10    28   57
Lokeren             18    10    19   34
Lommel              18     6    17   48


League Scorers (as per  10-01-93).
1. Weber (Cercle Brugge)       20 goals;

2. Kruzen (Waregem)            13 goals;
   A.Vidmar (Waregem)          13 goals;

4. Malbasa (Charleroi)         12 goals;

5. Czerniatynski (Antwerp)     11 goals;
   Ikpeba (FC Luik)            11 goals;

7. Severeyns (Antwerp)         10 gaols;
--
Cup Results, games played just before Christmas.

Charleroi     -  Club Brugge     3 - 2
Sering        -  Boom            1 - 0
Kapellen      -  Germinal Ekeren 1 - 2
Lommel        -  Standard Luik   0 - 1
Waregem       -  Antwerp         2 - 1
Club Luik     -  Anderlecht      0 - 2
Verbroed Geel -  Ol. Charleroi   1 - 0

and one I already reported but for the record:
Beveren       -  KV Mechelen     5 - 2.

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                  | Eindhoven. The Netherlands.
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From: clgp14@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: SSL
Date: 8 Jan 93 10:52:16 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

Celtic's New Plan For League Domination.

From this mornings Herald it was reported that Celtic has turned its back
on the new Scottish Super League after making a donation of around 300,000
pounds (enough for a new Celtic striker).
Is this the Celtic plan for league domination, are they thinking of joining
the first division to try and win some glory or is this just a case of hard
cheese from a club who are looking like going down the bog anyway?
Only time will tell if Mr Kelly and Co will last at the head of this club
but why must they try and ruin the future of Scottish football, a last act of
defiance before they are booted out of Scottish football ?

Ian Davis
Blue Nose
University Of Strathclyde
Glasgow
From: chem91@Elroy.UH.EDU ("Bill Harrison (713)-743-2789")
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: stupid predictions
Date: 12 Jan 1993 21:02:48 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: chem91@Elroy.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: elroy.uh.edu

In article <1993Jan12.203552.13291@news.nd.edu>, rbualuan@cordelia.next.nd.edu (Ramzi Bualuan) writes:
>
>Why do so many people spend so much time on futile amd meaningless  
>predictions?  It's a total waste of time and space.  Let's keep this  
>newsgroup for the sharing of real information.


Well, Liverpool supporters have to keep their morale up somehow... ;=) ;=)

Bill


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: operator@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: MAN UTD vs BURY
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:53:46 GMT

FA Cup Third round, I know Man Utd beat Bury 2-0, could someone post the
details please.Also read Utd have a new youngster by name of Gillespie,
could someone shed more light on him....Thanks.