HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Subject: Re: QE II Grounding
Organization: Public Health Research Institute (New York)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:32:59 GMT

pytlik@ra.cs.umb.edu (Marek Pytlik) writes:
> There was an article in Globe (08/18) pointing out that squat caused by
> high (24 knots) speed and relatively shallow area for QE2 might have
> caused her to touch the ground.

	One would think that the captain of a large vessel, such as the
QE2, would be familiar with just how much added draft beyond the static
waterline his ship would draw due to squat and ground suction for various
combinations of speed and depth below her keel, and take that factor into
account in determining the minimum safe charted depth she can be in.

	I guess it's incidents like this that lead to little notations on
charts such as "34 (rep. 1992)"
-- 
roy@wombat.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Public Health Research Institute
455 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016, USA
"This never happened to Bart Simpson."
From: iseman@ravel.udel.edu (Stephen Early)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: snow goose
Date: 22 Aug 92 04:31:13 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

>> PS, i am routinely on the bays in Liong Island, without a chart or loran, 
>> only 6gal of fuel and NO RADIO.. 
>
>  I think this posting belongs in alt.suicide .  E.g., "..if someone decides
>  to commit suicide, am I morally obligated to try to stop him/her...".
>
I think I'd like to join alt.suicide.  I frequently take my 16 foot aluminum
outboard 10 to 20 miles out in the Atlantic Ocean.  I have no radio, compass,
charts etc.  In fact I don't have any idea how to use something like Loran.  
Sometimes I boat in the Atlantic from Delaware down to Maryland or Virginia to
see the wild horses on Assatique Island.  I am rather anal about fuel though.
I replaced the two 6 gal. tanks with a 26 gal tank just for making these trips.

Steve
From: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Flares (was: Re: snow goose)
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:16:37 GMT
Reply-To: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.boats, dsmith@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (David R. Smith) writes:

>    The Coast Guard Auxiliary course suggests keeping old ones around
>to supplement the new ones.
>
So here we are, come full-circle.  The original poster spoke of a spontaneous
firing of a five-year outdated flare.  Does anyone know if old "powder"
becames unstable?  I recall this to be of concern regarding the battleship
explosion a few yews ago.

--- Bob

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Robert J. Hanners         "My comments; only mine."          *DIASTOLE* 676673
CD, NSWC, Annapolis, MD                              hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil
From: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: another word question
Date: 15 Aug 92 03:23:31 EST
Reply-To: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Executive Networks Information

Several years ago I perused an old(circa 1960) cruising guide to
the Eastern Caribbean. The author made reference to an 18th century
set of Sailing directions for the same area which recommended that
when sailing to the leeward of the high islands (Dominica would be
an example.) you should either sail at least 21 miles off or within
"two pistol shots" of the shore in order to avoid being becalmed.


Can a precise distance be attributed to a "pistol shot" ?

The author somewhat humorously stated that "two pistol shots" could
be approximated as "two stone throws." 

                                           Al
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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Thursday, 13 Aug 1992 08:37:00 EDT
From: Robert Roxby <RROXBY@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: CAD Program for Boat Modeling?

Are there any programs that will construct a perspective model
of a solid (boat hull) from x,y,z coordinates (table of offsets),
and let you rotate the object and will simulate shading from
light sources placed at different positions?  Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: advax@reg.triumf.ca (A.Daviel)
Subject: Re: Help Ant. cable
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:42:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.200223.9821@ee.rochester.edu>, paul@ee.rochester.edu (Paul Osborne) writes...
>I need some net help. I am installing a new vhf and new mast mount ant.
>Some have told me to use only RG 8 or RG 8x. Others have said RG58. Install
>guide say to use appropriate cable. 
> 

I did something similar recently. I work with electronic equipment, so I have 
access to cable catalogs, but am not really into radio, so I got *really* 
overwhelmed by the possibilities (like, 30 possible different cables to 
choose from).

The cable should match the impedance of your radio and antenna (almost
certainly 50 ohms, whereas TV coax is 75 ohm). 

RG8 has typically a 2.3dB attenuation in 100 foot at 150MHz, so if you put 
25W into it at the bottom only 15W will reach the antenna. It is 0.4 inch 
diameter, perhaps a mite tricky to feed round all those corners. RG58 has 
about 6dB attenuation in 100 foot, so if you feed in 25W you will get 6W at 
the antenna. It is about 0.2 inch diameter. RG174 is 0.1 inch diameter with a 
10dB attenuation, etc.  

I have heard a rule of thumb that you should install RG8 for runs over 50
foot and RG58 for shorter runs. Someone told me to look for RG8/M (miniature
type), but I couldn't find any or any data on it. I finally bought some RG58
from a marine store (the price wasn't too bad and the electonics distributors 
want to sell  a whole reel) and ran a continuous length of about 60 foot to
my radio. If I need to step the mast I may cut it and fit a connector (there
is some insertion loss from adding extra connectors, so I didn't want to
straight away). 

--------------------

On a related subject, I have a GRP hull and an aluminum mast. I installed a
commercial Metz type stainless whip with an L-bracket, screwed to the side of
the mast just below the top. Since then I read a little bit of antenna theory
and played around with an SWR meter trying to make an emergency antenna (a 
1/4 wave whip on a coffee tin worked best). It seems that a proper ground
plane is vital for a whip to work properly. Does the loading coil at the
bottom of the whip obviate the need for a ground plane, or should I
explicitly ground the mast (best I can do is the prop shaft and zinc anode)
for better performance. The SWR meter shows a reasonably good match, so it
can't be too bad. 



A.Daviel, ALASTOR, Vancouver
From: billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Courington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Frapped again
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:56:04 GMT
Reply-To: billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: sextant.eng.sun.com

In article 29433@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com, dsmith@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (David R. Smith) writes:
>In the Boy Scout Handbook* section on lashings, you "wrap" a cord around
>the poles, then you "frap" in a perpendicular direction, around the wraps
>and between the poles.  The memory mnemonic was "Wrap thrice, frap twice."

It's the same in a Brian Toss book on knots.  When you make a 
palm-and-needle whipping (quite a satisfying endeavor, btw), the 
four turns you make at the end parallel to the rope (they protect the 
underlying whipping turns) are called frapping turns.  

Bill Courington
From: wwalker@qualcomm.com (Bill Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Bayliner Boats
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:51:48 GMT
Followup-To: rec.boats
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc.

In article <1992Aug21.143825.19397@phx.mcd.mot.com>, dbk@phx.mcd.mot.com
(Dave Kinzer) wrote:
> 
> I write:
> >>has up to eight inches of layed up fiberglass
>  
> jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:
> >This is a remarkable number. 
> 
> I would agree with you, and I was only repeating what the owner said.  
> However, he did watch his hull being layed at the plant in here in phoenix.
> Maybe they made his extra thick since he was watching. :^)
> 
> -Dave

Maybe he was looking at where they glassed in the stringers, and didn't
realize there was wood inside there (or just glass if they don't use wood
stringers).

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All opinions expressed are mine, and do not reflect those of my employer.
"First thing we do, we kill all the lawyers." - Shakespeare
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Monday, 17 Aug 1992 10:00:03 CET
From: <RFLOOD@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Isolating switches & engines

My little Evinrude 9.9HP has a 'lighting' generator giving enough power to
run nav lights.....ha, ha, when I wired it up the lights were too dim to
see on idle and the bulbs blew at full throttle......nope, there isn't a
regulator in the engine, or a fuse. I've now equipped the engine with a fuse,
and built a simple regulator to hold the voltage to about 12 volts, 2 amps
for the  nav lights. (It does get pretty hot at full throttle, but
who travels fast at night anyway ?). I'd suggest building a proper regulator
and you'll always be sure of 12 or 24 or whatever volts.
(And tie the kids down to the foredeck cleats !)

RaF
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: advax@reg.triumf.ca (A.Daviel)
Subject: Re: Isolating switches & engines
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:28:00 GMT

In article <2A8FB61C.7374@deneva.sdd.trw.com>, fletch@spf.trw.com (Fletcher Riggs) writes...
>In article <15AUG199200215620@reg.triumf.ca> advax@reg.triumf.ca (A.Daviel) writes:
>>A few weeks ago I went out with 4 kids aged 2 - 4, plus parents. At some point 
>>the extractor fan suddenly speeded up. The battery isolator switch was found
>>to be at OFF; I strongly suspect one of the kids moved it. This little prank 
>>blew up a capacitor in my VHF, <etc. deleted>
> 
>I had been led to believe that under these circumstances
>(disconnecting alternator from battery while the engine is
>running) the charging system (alternator/regulator) would be
>damaged.  I guess this is not always the case.
> 

The charging system seems to be still working. It is a Lucas alternator with 
regulator incorporated; the external electrics are rather simple - the 
alternator has a thick wire to the battery and a thin one to the ignition 
light. 

I have seen warning notices on cars that you shouldn't disconnect the 
battery with the engine running, but then they don't have an isolating 
switch. I would think the alternator itself would be immune. ( I once bought a 
white elephant at an auction that 'let you run power tools from your car'. It 
turned out to only work on 1975 GM trucks (or some similar tiny subset of the
set of all vehicles), and did so by disconnecting the generator from the battery
and allowing the voltage to rise to 100V or so, so that power tools using a
'universal motor' would run.) I suspect that sundry other car electrics such as
the stereo, clock and electronic ignition might be taken out. 

A.Daviel, ALASTOR, Vancouver BC
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: syswtr@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu
Subject: Re: Mastercraft Trans.
Organization: Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Iowa
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:02:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.141445.26636@lonex.rl.af.mil>, frankjo@lonex.rl.af.mil (Joseph W. Frank) writes:
> I recently upgraded from a 1987 Mastercraft Prostar 190 powerslot to a new
> 1992 powerslot with a 285.  The boat is fantastic and I am really happy with
> the upgrade but I have noticed a difference in the shifting.  The response
> when shifting my '87 into gear was instantaneous while the '92 appears to
> have a slight delay when going into gear.  

  Is this using the angled gearbox rahter than the straight-through box?

Willy
From: bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Re: QE II Grounding - who is in charge?
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:01:58 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO

In rec.boats, swist@doodly.mcc.dec.com (Jim Swist) writes:

    I don't understand this at all.  This billion dollar boat full of people is
    going WOT in water 39 feet with a draft of 34 feet?  This is approx the
    same as me taking my elcheapo boat with a draft of 3' into water 3' 5"
    deep at full throttle.       What's wrong with this picture?

The QE II wasn't quite at full throttle :-?

B.S!
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: lovejoy@cruncher.btv.ibm.com (Steve Lovejoy)
Subject: Query for Boat Show Information for the Northeast
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 15:24:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Reply-To: u7248@btvlabvm.vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Technology Products
Keywords: show

I'm trying to get information on where boat shows are going to be in the
Northeast.  I think there is one in Newport, RI next month.  If someone
has this information, including phone numbers to get additional information,
please post or e-mail.

Thanks,
         Steve
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: STU@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Re: gel coat stains
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:52:13 GMT

>>
>>I have heard that Oxalic acid etches the gelcoat.  It does work
>
I have used Oxalic acid on the Shearwater about twice a year since 1985 -
she still looks just fine - waxes up nicely - and lacks the muddy, brown
stain common to most boats that are used a lot.
 
I don't know if it etches the gelcoat - but a paint job after 10-12 years
isn't terribly bad considering the use she gets.  /Stu
From: billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Courington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Harken Hardware
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:17:50 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: sextant.eng.sun.com

In article 3470@ccu.umanitoba.ca, albert@beer.umeeng (heller) writes:
>Does anyone know where I can purchase Harken Hardware in the San Jose or Santa Clara area. ...

[Sorry for the post, but the mail bounced.]


West Marine in Palo Alto is probably the best bet for both
Harken and WEST stuff.  They don't carry _all_ of the
Harken stuff, but have a fair collection of blocks.  They
have what seems to me a good stock of WEST supplies.

They are maybe 15 minutes north (that's logical north--
toward San Francisco) of Santa Clara off 101.  Exit at San
Antonio and go left (logical west).  Make a u-turn at the
first signal and enter.  That's the southwest corner of San
Antonio and Charleston.  It's the original West store, btw.

Bill Courington
From: bobp@cherise.UUCP (Robert Parkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Chesapeake Bay Net Gathering
Keywords: gathering, raft, fun, party
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:51:15 GMT
Reply-To: bobp@sandr.com (Bob Parkinson)
Distribution: na
Organization: S&R Software, Incorporated


OK, here it is: The First Chesapeake Bay Net Gathering.

Location: Shaw Bay.

    Date: Saturday, September 12. Home Sunday.     

Try to bring a sharable dish if you're so inclined.

We'll be rafting up.

Distance to Shaw Bay:

	From Worton Creek: ~30 miles
	From Solomons:     ~39 miles

How to get there: 

Go to Bloody Point. Head up into Eastern Bay, round Tilghman Pt., 
get up into the Miles River, then into the Wye. Shaw Bay is the
big bight east of Bruffs Isl and south of Bordley Pt. 

From the North, you might want to go through Kent Narrows to
save the slog around Kent Island. I prefer to slog rather
than mess around in the narrows.  

Here's a list of all of us, I think:

Name			Boat Name	Type		Home Port
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bob Parkinson		Thaedra		Alberg 30	Baltimore 
Nat Parkinson		Gillian II	Hinckley 31	Baltimore
Walter Wilson		Charter		Charter		Baltimore(?)
Donald Becker		Compromise	J24		Eastport/Annapolis
Andy			Spica		Catalina 27	Rock Creek (Patapsco)
Tom O'Toole		Stat		S2 9.1		Middle River
Bob Hanner		Diastole	Beneteau 43	Stony Creek (Patapsco)
Jon Ayscue				C&C 27		Middle River
Tom Murphy
Michael Fish		Maid Marian	Alberg 37	Solomons
Cindy/John Rossley	Windtryst	Jeanneau 31	Worton Creek
Jay Ennis		Distraction	Pearson 323
Mary McLaughlin		?		J40		Annapolis
Don Preuss		Taliesin	Pearson 36	Annapolis
Brian Prather		Boatless
Bill Williams		Boatless			Solomons Area
Rob Hagens		Boatless
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

I'll be monitoring VHF ch 16 all day. My boat is a white Alberg 30,
with a dark green dodger, named 'Thaedra'. I'll be towing a dark
green pram or it'll be stowed on the foredeck, and I'll probably be in 
company with my brother's boat, 'Gillian II', white 31 foot Hinckley 
Islander.

If you need to talk to me, my voice number is 410.628.9241, 
days and evenings. Cellular # on the boat is 410.979.8929. 

If the date is absolutely bad for you, and you absolutely want
to go to the FCBNG, mail or call me quick.

Should be real good fun. Hope to see you there!

Bob Parkinson
bobp@sandr.com
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[ Bob Parkinson                                 S&R Software, Incorporated ]
[ bobp@sandr.com                                              410.628.9241 ]
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: ed.mccrudden@rose.com (ed mccrudden)
Subject: porta-potti
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:40:01 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 08-20-92 23:31
re: porta-potties in Canadian waters

BillP writes, in response to a query about the waters near Point Pelee:

BI>The only thing I can tell you for certain (because it said so in the
BI>literature that came with my potty) is that they are banned on waters
BI>within the province of Ontario.

They are indeed banned in Ontario waters, but only if they don't have a
pump-out fitting.  The one on my boat is illegal; you must remove the
holding tank and take it to a washroom to empty it.  The one on my friend's
boat is legal, because although it is identical to mine in every other
respect, it is connected to a hose which is in turn connected to a pump-
out fitting on the gunwale.

The chances of getting busted for an illegal porta-potti are somewhere
between slim and none.  As BillP suggests, you are far more likely to get
nailed for fishing without a license.  If someone in the law enforcement
business pulls alongside, they will ask you to hold up the appropriate
licenses, safety equipment, etc.  It is extremely unlikely that they will
board you, unless you are obviously intoxicated.  That's the only scenario
for a boarding that I can think of.

They are not going to ask you to hold up your toilet so they can see if
it's legal.

The law in this case is quite useless.  It is obviously designed to remove
the possibility of dumping the contents of a porta-potti overboard, but
since loosening one hose clamp enables you to remove the holding tank of
a "marine-legal" potti and do whatever you want with it, what's the point?

We have lots of these laws in Canada.  Let common sense prevail.  Anybody
who would dump his porta-potti overboard is a knucklehead who wouldn't
obey the law anyway.

Enjoy your trip and don't worry about it.

Ed

<Ed McCrudden in Toronto>
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Newsgroups: rec.boats

 I have a Ski Limited catalog that has product called "super slick protective
 wax". They claim you can gain "up to" 10% speed increase. Has anybody tried
 this, or similar stuff and does it work? This stuff is a bottom wax and also
 claims it inhibit alage and bottom growth.
 Jeff Brown
From: myoung@digi.lonestar.org (Michael Young)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Hobie Miracle 20
Keywords: fast, faster, fastest
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:35:08 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

In article <1992Aug19.203352.9510@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> cboes@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Christopher Boes) writes:
>Hay Hobie sailors, Hobie has a new fast cat out called the Miricle 20.
>
>L.O.A. 19 ft 5 in.
>Beam   8 ft 6 in.
>Mast   31 ft
>Weight 400 lbs.  (Thats right 400 lbs, this is not a typo)
>Sail Area  265 sq. ft.
>
>This thing is faster than the Prindle 19, Hobie 21, hell everything in
>its size class for that matter.

Yes, this seems to verified on the race course.

>I points better than any of the other Hobie Cats. Its only drawback for
>the beach launcher is that it doen't have center boards. It has very
>high aspect ratio daggerboards, so it handles like a dream.  I haven't

It does handle like a dream but I attribue the good handling more to the hull
design than to the dagger boards.  The high aspect boards *do* contribute to
this boats exceptional windward performance (for a cat).

>sailed on one yet, but I saw one and It was SEXY.

A couple of my racing buddies have 20's, one for almost a year now.  The boats
are definitly *fast*, both upwind and downwind.  I race an 18 and even though
my tactics are usually better than theirs, I can't even come close to the 
boat speed.  I'll gain tens of yards by playing the shifts better but they sail
higher and faster upwind and lower and faster downwind.  I've been fortunate
enough to spend a lot of time on these boats and I am convinced that they are
one of (probably the) best racing beach cats of all time.  The only reason I
don't have one is that I am saving, and saving, and saving for that early 
retirement on a crusing cat.

>If your a Hobie nut like myself and love to go fast this is the boat wet
>dreams are made of (pun intended).

Actually this boat is the "wettest" Hobie yet.  Instead of an external hull 
to deck
joint like previous Hobies, this one has an internal joint.  A lot more spray
makes it over the leward bow and onto the tramp.  On the other hand, there is
a lot less drag and more resistance to pitchpoling.

>Chris
>"Blue Flash 86762"
>cboes@gmuvax2.gmu.edu
>
>>>>>>>>>> Go Fly a Hull <<<<<<<<<<<<<

T. Micheal Young  "WindRider"  H-18 15375
myoung@lonestar.digi.com
From: bobp@cherise.UUCP (Robert Parkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: net.gathering
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:13:38 GMT
Reply-To: bobp@sandr.com (Robert Parkinson)
Distribution: na
Organization: S&R Software, Incorporated

As of today, five folks have responded positively to my idea of 
a Chesapeake Bay net.gathering. Of the five, one is boatless
and is looking for a crew position for this event. Another, 
clearly good management material :-) wonders if I'm volunteering
to co-ordinate things. I learned in the Navy never to volunteer,
but just this once, OK, I will. 

One respondent is located in Solomons, and we should bear this in
mind when picking a location, and date. I assume most people have
day jobs, so a weekend rendezvous is probably best. Robert Hanners
and I look like the northernmost people, in Stony Creek and Baltimore,
respectively, so somewhere south of Baltimore seems reasonable. A place
one days run for everybody would be good, maybe to meet up on 
a Saturday, and scamper home on Sunday. A long days run for me is
around 12 hours, 8 is better.

Co-ordinate doesn't mean I make decisions. I'll collate your ideas
if you mail them to me, and summarize them here to keep the bandwidth
down. We need your ideas on:

Location
Date
Should we have a big raft up? (affects location)
Does someone need/want crew, so we can accomodate our boatless person?
Anything else

Oh, ya, is someone with a big galley willing to cook a communal
meal? We could all kick in enough to make it cost-free to the
victim.

email to bobp@sandr.com

Bob
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[ Bob Parkinson                                 S&R Software, Incorporated ]
[ bobp@sandr.com                                              410.628.9241 ]