HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: "Paul Hager" <hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: DEA seeks "shoot-down" authority
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 23:35:26 -0500

34AEJ7D@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU writes:

>I just saw this goodies on rec.aviation:

>The  DEA  is seeking  authority  from  Congress  to  shoot down  any  aircraft
>"suspected  of  being involved  in  drug  traffiking".  So far,  they  haven't
>received it, but they have the borrowed F-16's ready... just in case.

>Wonder if that includes passenger airliners? Probably - it wouldn't be the
>first time for that one.

>W. K. Gorman

Again??!!  The Customs Service or some other drug war entity was pushing
this a couple of years ago and AOPA got wind of it and protested quite
vehemently.  The idea was quickly shelved -- I'm sure the fact that
civilian pilots and plane owners tend to be upper middle and upper class
gives them a great deal of clout.

I actually posted on a related story 2 years ago that appeared in 
"Proceedings", the journal of the Naval Institute.  I believe the
article was called "DoD plays in the drug war" and dealt with
the $1.2 billion budgeted for the DoD to start getting involved in
said war.  The writer talked about the "sort concept" in IFF (identify
friend/foe) and how it would apply to sorting out legitimate targets
(read drug smugglers) from friendlies.  It was quite chilling given
the celebrated failure of this "concept" when a billion dollar Aegis 
cruiser misidentified a climbing A-300 airbus as a diving F-14 just 
a year earlier.

While it is true that aircraft have transponders that can be 
interrogated, identifing a "smuggler" would require that, somehow,
smuggler aircraft would not send out the proper response to
interrogation.  This would require a massive degree of intrusion
into private aviation to guarantee that each plane that was "clean"
emitted the proper ID upon interrogation.  I guess each plane would
have to be searched before a flight and the ID would have to be
set by inspectors.  The ID would have to change every few days so
that smugglers wouldn't have a dummy run to get the transponder
setting and then make a smuggling run.  The shoot down idea is
just too likely to result in the loss of "innocent" life and even
gung-ho drug war types in private aviation are going to balk at
such an idea.

It'll never fly, so to speak.
-- 
paul hager		hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu

"I would give the Devil benefit of the law for my own safety's sake."
                       --from _A_Man_for_All_Seasons_ by Robert Bolt
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From: Gary.Woodman@anu.edu.au (Gary Woodman)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Aus smokers - ACT decriminalises mull..
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:58:49 GMT
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: gurrung.anu.edu.au

In article <1992Sep13.044020.18674@cs.su.oz.au> malcolm@cs.su.oz.au (Malcolm Bjorn Gillies) writes:

>The original bill, which was proposed about six months ago, was for complete
>decriminalisation (i.e. no fines at all) for up to the amounts mentioned.
>However, the original proposal ended up being watered down somewhat in its
>progress through parliament, and the law is now roughly on par with the
>South Australian laws which have been in operation for a number of years.

True - wouldn't you say this is a vast advance and a triumph of common sense?

>A friend of mine speculates that in time Canberra will become the vice 
capital>of Australia, as the ACT is the only state with legal X-rated 

1) the A.C.T. is not a state; 2) neither is the N.T. but it has similar 
social legalities (excepting for smoke :-(). 

videos, along>with legal gambling and prostitution. 

>That of course coupled with the fact that there's precious little else to 
>do in Canberra ;-)

One can always read news...

--
Gary.Woodman@anu.edu.au         This post made from 100% recycled electrons.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: somethings to ponder...
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:26:07 GMT

In article <1L5oqB1w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>, voss@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (stephen voss) writes:
>most mj users have at least some college education.while freebase users 
>tend to be burnt out professionals. The drugs of the lower classes tend 
>to be crack and heroin. While lsd seems to have a scattering among a 

crack == freebase + impurities (mostly baking soda)

They are the same drug, but crack is from a synthesis procedure that is
dirtier and cheaper.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen)
Subject: Re: MAOI & shrooms
Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:23:18 GMT

haba@lesti.hut.fi (Harri "Haba" Suomalainen) writes:

>The effective substance in the shrooms is psilocin. Psilocin, however, is
>only mildly effective. Psilocin is metabolized into more potent psilocybin
>Using MAOI would slow/stop metabolism of the effective substance. Therefore,
>using MAOI would make psilocin *less* potent. 

   You've got it a little backwards. Psilocybin is the phosphoric acid
ester of psilocin (4-OH-N,N-dimethyltryptamine). Psilocybin is metabolized
into psilocin. As far as I know, MAO has nothing to do with this.
-- 
Jani Heinonen
jah@mits.mdata.fi
From: u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: MDMA
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:15:14 GMT
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <64896@cup.portal.com>, Eric_J_Rainbolt@cup.portal.com writes:
> I just read this great book on MDMA published recently and available
> at mall bookstores.  It was a thouroughly enjoyable read, and
> is a catalyst for activism against it 1984 Supreme Court
> ruling that put this "wonder drug" under Schedule I classification.
> The name is MDMA: The Ecstacy Story.  The book even describes
> methods of synthesis, some processes as easy as passing ammonia
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> over nutmeg.  I would be happy to read anyones comments about
  ^^^^^^^^^^^
> this drug.
> 
> 8-29-92

I keep hearing rumours of such arcane syntheses. Lamont occasionally
trots out one involving minced liver or some such. I am highly
skeptical. I repeat my plea for a real reference to anything even
vaguely indicating that ammonia can aminate an allyl-benzene.

Jeremy
jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.dreams
From: phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel)
Subject: Re: Dreams & Bud
Organization: Cadence Design Systems
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:44:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.123338.24848@linus.mitre.org> lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:
>Dreams can be enhanced by using any new recreational drug (of sufficient
>duration) before falling asleep.  The first time I fell asleep after
>drinking, I noticed this.  Eating large quantities of shrimp before bedtime
>also does it to me.

This is a common fallacy that is completely wrong.  Drugs, shrimp, spicy foods,
large hot fudge sundaes, etc., do NOT enhance dreaming.  What they do is make
you sleep less well, more lightly, thus enhancing your memories of dreams.

One normally doesn't remember a dream unless one wakes during it, or almost
wakes during.  The almost waking is also partly responsible for some of the
lucid dreaming referred to in the posting I am responding to.

There have been many studies made, and almost everyone has numerous dreams
every night (7 to 10, if I remember correctly), but if one sleeps soundly one
doesn't remember most of them.  If one sleeps lightly, close to consiousness,
one remembers far more dreams, but doesn't get as much rest from sleeping, and
falsely assumes that there were more dreams during the night than is usual.

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!uunet!cadence!phz)

God is a polythiest
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen)
Subject: Re: LSD recipies
Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:53:46 GMT

Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>Anarchist's Cookbook.  Most of the things they recommend vary from
>dangerous to incredibly stupid.  The "recipe" they give for LSD will
>probably cause liver damage and possibly blindness.

   Don't forget CHROMOSOME DAMAGE! And INSANITY! Seriously, what it will make
you do is puke. After that, you get drowsy. With a high dose of the LSA and
related compounds extracted from the seeds combined with a few tokes of good
hash might produce some interesting effects.

>off buying hits of acid than trying to make some.  LSD is not easy to
>make; if have to ask on the net, then you don't know enough to make it
>safely.

   And if you have to repeat idiotic phrases like the above, you probably
shouldn't post on the net. Someone might be interested in the synthesis for
informational purposes only. Someone might not have access to a university
library.
-- 
Jani Heinonen                    "Tonight when I chase the dragon,
jah@mits.mdata.fi                 The water may turn to cherry wine
Finger for public PGP key         And the silver will turn to gold
E-mailed upon request             Time out of mind."
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From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: "War Against Drugs a Failure"
Date: 13 Sep 92 16:54:34 GMT
Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93


In article <v7vn2mn.feustel@netcom.com>, 
feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) said:

> After hostilities cease we can release all of the prisoners that we
> have taken during the war.

Can we also have Nuremburg-type war crimes trials in which the
soldiers and politicians who executed the atrocities of the war are
tried for crimes against humanity?  Please?

-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>

                   (No, I'm _not_ joking.  Indulging in wishful
                          thinking, perhaps, but not joking...)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mauax@warwick.ac.uk (Brazil)
Subject: Re: Heroin
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 23:24:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.040145.25262@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jknapton@nyx.cs.du.edu (Josh Knapton) writes:
>OK, I would like some info on Heroin - this has not really been covered in any 
>FAQs that I know of. 
>
>I hear that it is most commonly shot with a needle, but comes in a powdered
>form. How is it sold, and in what general price bracket?
>
>Also, what are the effects like, and especially the drawbacks? I have heard that
>it wastes the body by some method. How?  
>
>How easy is it to kick the habit, or get completely addicted?
>
>And pretty important: I hear that you can 'smel;l' heroin users, that their body
>odor gives them away somehow. Is this true, or another myth? And how easy is it
>to detect whether someone is high on this or not?
>
>--
>And out in the valley warm and clean        | I see a planet that's  
>The little ones sit by their TV screens     | glowing red...
>No thoughts to think - No tears to cry      | 
>All sucked dry down to the very last breath |  jknapton@nyx.cs.du.edu


Reason why Heroin is not Discussed on alt.drugs:

Heroin is so addictive that an addict would have probably have sold his
workstation by now to get a deal in.
Those who have kicked the addiction (I was going to say habit but that's not
the right word) are usually pretty reluctant to speak about drugs - and
indeed if their doctor knew they were discussing it here then they would
begin to become very concerned.

With my experiences with addicts in England:

35 pounds will buy a night where an addict will survive the night ($70)
        ie He'll get to sleep without feeling he'll die in the next minute
70 pounds will give the addict a good time ($140)

It's bought in powder, and I understand (though I'm not sure) that it's
heated and dissolved in a solvent (probably water) and then injected into
the blood stream. It can also be snorted. 

Pure Heroin does no damage to the body at all, having said this however,
street deals tend to be diluted with other powders that are harmful to the
body and can cause death.

Complete abstinance is a particular form of hell in itself and addicts are
usually brought off the drug by the use of Methodone which is a similar drug
but more controllable.

hope this info helps you somehow - anyone care to elaborate/correct on this?

Brazil
From: bc151@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ken Fisler)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: List for the Discussion of the Presidential Campaign
Date: 12 Sep 1992 07:39:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu



There is now on Bitnet a list for the discussion of the '92
presidential campaign. Discussion is unmoderated and focusses
primarily on important, current campaign issues, though, like the
campaign itself, some discussion occasionally degrades to
spurious non-issues. Threads sometimes lead into critical
analyses of political history, the media, and campaign
strategies. Many members of this list post exerpts from books,
magazines, journals, newspapers, television reportage, and
academic studies as well as the full text of position papers and
speeches given by the candidates. A meaningful number of list
members understand the inherent union of theory and praxis and,
given the nature of the discussions, the flame level is very
tolerably and surprisingly low. If all you've heard and read thus
far hasn't parted the sea of sound bites, if you're looking for
information and analysis of current issues or have something to
give or express yourself, this may be a viable group to join.

To subscribe, send to: LISTSERV@MARIST (from a Bitnet address)
or LISTSERV@MARIST.BITNET (from and Internet address) the
message: SUB CLINTON <your first name> <your last name>


	Internet:	bc151@cleveland.freenet.edu
	Bitnet: 	bc151%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm
	Audio:		Ken Fisler
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: holt@b11.b11.ingr.com (Jeff Holt)
Subject: Re: Sanity for A.C.T. Drug Laws
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 16:35:53 GMT

machman@milton.u.washington.edu (The Machman) writes:
...

>>"The ACT Government has taken the eminently sensible and
>>rational step of decriminalising marijuana and is to be
>>congratulated for that," said Democrat Richard Jones, MLC.

>this is very encouraging.  but please tell us ig-nernt 'Muricans:
>what do the initials ACT stand for?


ACT stands for "Australian Capital Territory" - a small state specially created
as the seat of the Federal govt. Equivalent to your District of Colombia.

***     Jeff Holt       Workstation Engineering       (205) 730-6098     ***
***     email   uunet!ingr!b11!holt!holt  or  holt@holt.b11.ingr.com     ***

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: 901371d@dragon.acadiau.ca (Danny DiDio)
Subject: I was wondering if anyone here knows of any virtual reality group
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 10:58:11 GMT

Does anyone know of any virtual reality groups?

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: eesnyder@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Eric E. Snyder)
Subject: Re: New designer drug
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: 13 Sep 92 22:44:20 GMT

cjf49655@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Chuck) writes:

>>Wow, does this mean that people can turn SUDAFED into cathinone just
>>oxidizing it?  :)

>sudafed is psuedoephedrine, not ephedrine.  of course, ephedrine is over the    
>counter too, but i believe in the original post he said that the cathinone was
>one reduction or oxidation or whatever from getting to ephedrine, which sounds  
>to me that you could mke ephedrine from the cathinone. oh boy.

The distinction between ephedrine and pseudo-ephedrine is pretty irrelevant 
when it comes to methylcathinone synthesis.  These two compounds differ in
their configuration at C-1.  Since in methylcathinone synthesis you are 
oxidizing this center to a ketone, it matters very little which isomer you 
start with.  The point is that you can make methylcathinone from either 
precursor.  

...and don't think that since methylcathinone is not a controlled substance
that you can make it with impunity.  The DEA uses the excuse of 'public safety'
to bust just about any type of home lab, regardless of what you are making.  
I have seen some of the DEA training films dealing with candestine laboratories
(Clan Labs, to the DEA).  They make quite point that a quart of ether can 
level a house and have film clippings to prove it.  While I don't want to 
minimize the danger of explosive solvents, I think you would throw up long
before you had explosive concentrations of ether in air.  

...oh, and not to mention the fact that the DEA can use the analog drug act
to get convictions on uncontrolled substances, if they can convince a jury 
that what you made was close enough to controlled substance to be 'dangerous'.
I can see the prosecutor with his drawing of methylcathinone covering up the 
carbonyl oxygen and saying, "...and now you have methamphetamine!"  


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From: lamontg@carson.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: MDMA
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:56:32 GMT
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'

baez@ucrmath.ucr.edu (john baez) writes:
>In article <MedLnXS00Vp8I4qEQA@andrew.cmu.edu> am2o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alexander Samuel McDiarmid) writes:
>>find the previousnote for context.
>>
>>	I understand (first hand accounts) that it is lots of fun (say more
>>than coke), however the side effect is altzheimers disease (sp?, i can't
>>remember)

In case no one satisfactorily shredded this when it first came out, the
above is utter bullshit.  MDMA has not been shown to have any long term
physiological effects in human use.  MPTP (which is unreleated -- READ THE
MOTHERFUCKING FAQ THATS POSTED EVERY DAMN WEEK) does in fact cause a 
syndrome which almost completely mimics ideopathic parkinson's disease.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: mushroom cultivation
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:52:36 GMT

v085r6qm@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Erin D Markle) writes:
>I know there are several books on the market (via U.S
>Post Office) that explain rather well how to grow
>mushrooms. Myself; I am broke and paranoid when it comes
>to ordering any of these books. I know that careful 
>attention should be paid to a sterile enviornment, and
>have heard that rice can be used as a growth medium (white
>rice, brown, long grained, short grained, converted, wild,
>Uncle Ben's, Rice'A'Roni??????), or a very rich soil,
>but other than these few facts -vague at best- I'm at a
>complete loss.
*----
Really?  I guess I've only seen the books that do a terrible
job explaining how to grow mushrooms.  Everybody I know that
learned from a book has met with utter failure.

Actually, all the books I've seen over-complicate things, though
the one by Oss and Oeric (who, coincidentally, were Albert
Hofmann's lab assistants at Sandoz and had to develop techniques
for cultivation the mushrooms) is the best I've seen by far.

Sterility is by far the most important factor.  In my observations,
brown rice works the best (rye and millet are a pain to work with!).
A properly prepared soil medium (not just "very rich soil", but
sterile dirt with the proper substances added) can be made to work,
but its more trouble than its worth (though you might want to use
it for "casing" to increase yield).  I prefer long grain rice
because it provides a slightly better surface for the mycellium
(the fungus from which the mushrooms grow).

Contrary to what ALL the books say, it is feasible to start a
culture from spores without resorting to the agar/petri dish
technique, which, in my opinion, provides yet another excellent
opportunity for contamination.  Remember that some of the places
that sell books mail order also sell overpriced "starter kits"
and have a stake in getting you to follow the more complicated
procedure.

One final word, since I haven't seen this warning printed in
any of the mushroom cultivation books I've read:  You can
spawn the next generation from mycellium (before it fruits for
best results) but eventually the strain weakens and needs to be
restarted from fresh spores (the mycellium must all have the same
genetic code to fruit.  I guess it becomes inbred?!).  So be sure
to take a sterile spore print from every two or three generations.
--
	Mike Berger
	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: fasano@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (Matthew John Fasano)
Subject: Re: top 10 reasons why drugs are bad
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: fasano@venus.iucf.indiana.edu
Organization: IUCF
Distribution: talk.politics.drugs
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:47:51 GMT

In article <ASH.92Sep10152841@ulysses.mr.ams.com>, ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes...
>Drugs are bad for the following reasons:
> 
>10) They make the police take away your property without even having to 
>    charge you with a crime.
>9)  My mother says so.
>8)  They make you go to jail for using them in the privacy of your own home.
>7)  Possessing them is illegal, even though some are merely plants that grow
>    wild in every state.
>6)  Some of them make you hurl, even the legal ones.
>5)  They are making our government spend a lot of money.
>4)  George Bush says so.
>3)  They can make you think wierd things.
>2)  They make you just say "no" all the time.  
>1)  I forgot.  Drugs must've ruint my memory.

11)  they make the niggers insolent.
> 
> 
>
From: 34AEJ7D@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: E-mail to political candidates?
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:04:28 GMT
Reply-To: bj496%Cleveland.Freenet.Edu@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU

Can someone send me the list of E-mail addresses for the various political
candidates? Thanks.

W. K. Gorman
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From: lamontg@carson.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: TIHKAL?
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:01:58 GMT
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'

eesnyder@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Eric E. Snyder) writes:
>Have I missed something here?  Does Shulgin have a new one on the rails?
>_Tryptamines I Have Known And Loved_, perhaps?

Bingo.  Shall be some time before its available though (i.e. he's just
finishing up with all the lecturing he's been doing so that he can sit down
and really start writing it).
From: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com (Joe Whittemore)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Marijuana and Impotence Question
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:24:14 GMT
Reply-To: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com.UUCP (Joe Whittemore)
Organization: LES Engineering in Westfield, Ma.

In article <billie.716010770@camelot> billie@camelot.bradley.edu (Eliot Frick) writes:
>
>I've read the various FAQs as well as the info at the ftp site at
>ftp.u.washington.edu, and I can't find anything on the relationship of
>Marijuana and impotence.  I was wondering if someone could post some
>information as to this subject.  Thank you.

The only thing I've ever heard along these lines that I've taken as a "fact"
is that mj slows down sperm motality: little buggers don't swim to fast/well
when they're stoned.....   
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.politics.drugs