From: bjm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Bobbie J. Mann)
Subject: Re: Mac
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 06:32:27 GMT

morphy@cco.caltech.edu (Jones Maxime Murphy) writes:

>trev@hubcap.clemson.edu (Trevor Bauknight) writes:

>>>Cash, lots of it, to compensate me for the sufferings of my ancestors. You 

>>Why do you deserve compensation for the sufferings of anyone else?  I 
>>haven't had any, and I'm not whining...

>..And neither am I. This is a demand, not a whine. Otherwhise I'll make the LA
>riots look like a Sunday picnic.

Ahh, a student of M.L. King.  Threaten with violence...

>I'll start off by giving myself, oh, $10 mil or so. After all, I have more
>slavemaster blood than most white Americans.

>>Maybe you don't remember that I fully realized that saying that was a 
>>paradox, and I said it within the context that some (you conveniently left 
>>that word out of your "quote"...) of them treated their slaves as human
>>beings, IN SPITE OF THE FACT that they had been enculturated to believe 
>>that their slaves were NOT human beings.  And stop trying to suggest 
>>that I was defending the social order in the antebellum South.  It isn't
>>true.

>You can't enslave someone and treat them like a human being, cool guy. It's just
>not possible. Enslavement is depriving someone of their labour and forcing them
>to work for no pay, in case you've forgotten. How do you simultaneously do that
>and treat someone like a human being???

>>Yes.  But not the only aspect.  You almost seem to be admitting that the
>>South was not fighting solely for slavery...I'm glad to see that you're
>>beginning to concede the one point I was trying to make.  :-)

>I never said that the South was fighting solely for slavery. They were fighting
>for murder, robbery, and humiliation, the crimes they were able to commit
>against AFricans with impunity. They were fighting for racial aristocracy.


Well, I know why *my* ancestors fought in the CSA army.  It was not to preserve
slavery or any of the other outrageous reasons you've mentioned.  My ancestor
lived in an all-white county in AR., had no slaves, and and only ocassionally 
ever seen a black person.  He was a poor farmer as were those around him.  He
fought for the right to make his own decisions, and not have them made by
someone in Washington...which then was the equivalent (or something similar,
anyway) of someone in London making the decisions on how I live.  I'd fight
for that right today.

Roland.


>>Why won't you let us concede your point once and for all instead of 
>>conceding it over and over again in response to every conceivable
>>discussion in this group?  Do you really think we disagree that 
>>slavery was a horrible institution, should never have been conceived
>>and was the primary cause of the War?  I hope you can find it in 
>>yourself to supply the necessary African perspective without insisting
>>that we all apologize to you and compensate you every time a new subject 
>>arises.

>OK, I'll dispense with the apologies if you just fork over the cash. In small,
>unmarked bills.
>Jones
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