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From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Chono vs. Rude
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:46:00 GMT
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Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

Eric,

EMC>    I've been involved in this thread for awhile, and people jumped on me f
   >saying that Japanese wrestling is booked, yet everyone (including Herb here
   >gives explanations that clearly state that wrestling in Japan is booked.  I

As the "jumper" in question, let me just say that I never got on you
about whether or not wrestling in Japan is booked or not.  What I was
trying to make you see is that their is a largely different perspective
that a lot of the native Japanese fans share.

   >    What gives?? Set me straight here: is the main idea behind this thread
   >basically saying "Japanese wrestling is undoubtedly booked, but the Japanes
   >don't look at it that way because culturally they treat pro-wrestling as a
   >pure sport even though it really isn't"?   I could live with that explanati
   >and I've realized as much all along.  But when people are actually going to
   >dispute that Japanese wrestling that you see on All Japan or New Japan is
   >booked, cultural explanations aside, I don't get it.

I also think that the above mentioned wrestling is booked and never
meant to lead you to believe otherwise.

What I wanted you to see is that the statement really does not need to
be made, as Herb stated a few days ago.  Also, as a friend told me,
there are definitely people who if you said the sport was booked, would
not want to talk, read trade tapes, with you.

   >able to make it look or what the Japanese culture may say.  So why the
   >argument?  Somebody help me out on this.

It wasn't an argument.  It was a showing of a different perspective.
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Subject: Re: Wrestling Superstars
From: <EZ1NPPSW@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 9 Nov 1992 14:33:38 EST
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

Could someone please e-mail me an explanation on Bret Hart winning the
title?  Also, a brief explanation of everything that has happened since
(and including) Summer Slam?
                                                   Thanks,
                                                          Zed
From: andra@cs.widener.edu (Robert Andracsek)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: trivia
Date: 12 Nov 1992 13:43:36 -0500
Organization: Widener University CS Department, Chester PA
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In article <BxL6Hq.CAM@news.udel.edu> davez@brahms.udel.edu (David Micha Zlotkin) writes:
 >     Money Inc's victory over the Natural Disasters got me thnking of
 >a trivia question: What was the last team (before Money Inc) to regain
 >the WWF tag-team titles from the team which ORIGINALLY beat them for
 >the titles? I think I know the answer, but I want to see what 
 >everybody else thinks.
 >
 >						Dave

I believe Demolition pulled this off twice, once against the
Brainbusters (Arn and Tulley) and once against the Collosal Connection
(Andre and Haku).

-- 
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|  Coach:"Do you think losing is funny?!?"
|  Player:"Not at first, but once you get the hang of it..."
|                 ---The Mighty Ducks
From: kday@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kevin Day)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Lotsa news
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:50:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: oasys.27450
Reply-To: kday@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kevin Day)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.sport.pro-wrestling, Steve_Hooper@mindlink.bc.ca (Steve Hooper) writes:
>
>Matter of fact, someone had sex with the OTHER bloated sack of protoplasm
>too. Earthquake's wife Josie is expecting a kid too.
>

  The picture that brings up in my mind is a human miracle. Not that
she's having a baby, but the implication that he was able to get close
enough to her to be the father.

K. Scott Day   (kday@oasys.dt.navy.mil)
Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center
Code 1252
Bethesda, Maryland 20084-5000

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From: mgrimes@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael Grimes)
Subject: Re: [WCW] Clash of Champions
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:03:58 GMT

In article <BxGEpq.55u@acsu.buffalo.edu> v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M
 Chmiel) writes:
>In article <9327@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, rtcst3+@pitt.edu (Robert   T Contice
llo) writes...
>>
>>   Here's the lineup for the Nov. 18 Clash of Champions as announced on the
>>   WCW Main Event:
>>
>>       - Brad Armstrong v. Brian Pillman
>>       - "Ghetto Odds Match" {2 versus 3}
>>         Ron Simmons & Robbie Walker v. Barbarian & Tony Atlas & Cactus Jack
>>       - Erik Watts & Kunsuke Sasaki v. Arn Anderson & Bobby Eaton
>>       - Semifinal King of Cable Tournament
>>         Sting v. Rick Rude
>>       - 3 rounds of Boxing
>>         Johnny B. Badd v. Scotty Flamingo
>>       - World Tag Team Titles
>>         Dustin Rhodes & Barry Windham v. Ricky Steamboat & Shane Douglas
>>       - "Clash of the Sexes"
>>         Paul E. Dangerously v. Madusa
>>       also the drawing for the first tag match at Starrcade.
>>
>>- Rob C.
>
>    WHY? WHY? WHY would you put loser Watts with Sasaki?  It's gotten to the
>point where I expect Erik to have the world title by March.  I don't like to
>wish a career-threatening injury on anyone, but.......
>     The rest of the card looks somewhat weak.  A boxing match?  Is Lou Duva
>coming in to train Flamingo? :) The Paul E. vs. Madusa is interesting in a mil
d
>sort of way, although the outcome is hardly in doubt.  There are at least a
>few matches that have the potential to be good, but we'll see.  Pillman and
>Armstrong could do a **** job if they wanted to (or if Watts wants them to),
      I agree with the potential of this Armstrong vs. Pillman match. This 
could and should be the best match of the card and we could see some great 
WRESTLING for a change.  Their last big encounter was ruined by Brad's 
so-called injury and the postponement of the jr. heavyweight tournament. Let's 
hope for a decent match without any interference and/or cop-out ending. Unbver 
the reign of Watts however, this might be too much to hope for.

Mike G


>and the tag title match has possibilities.  Other than that, my expectations
>are pretty low.
>
>********************************************
>Eric Chmiel*********************************
>********************************************
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From: carmel@phage.cshl.org (Gilles Carmel in Kuret Lab - CSHL)
Subject: Slam Jam
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:32:35 GMT

I have read this on Prodigy:

Apparently, Slam Jam should be a record of new entrance songs, like
Piledriver, and the Wrestling album.

And Doink the Clown will be dancing to these new entrance songs with
kids, until his heel turn.

Can anyboby confirm these rumors?


Gilles Carmel
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Subject: Re: Wrestling Superstars
From: sir@vax1.mankato.msus.edu (Shadow's Master)
Date: 7 Nov 92 12:40:04 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

In article <BxCxAB.6BJ@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, fippjc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joe Fipp) writes:
>   Once again from Saskatoon, Canada, where Vince mentions Bret won the
> belt from Flair.
> 
>   First match: Max Moon defeats a jobber with a reverse flying bodypress,
> already Moon's workrate is slowing down.
> 
>   Show a clip summary of Money Inc. title victory over Natural Disasters.
> 
>   Virgil wrestled.  Did a clothesline off the second rope, won with a
> Russian leg sweep.  Vince mentions ICO-PRO and they ask Virgil who was his
> idol as a kid.  Virgil says it was Bob Backlund.
> 
>   UPDATE:  Hosted by Lord Alfred Hayes, who is sitting in for Gene Okerlund,
> who is sitting in for Seam Mooney at the event center, who is on his honeymoon.
> They show the altercation between Marty Jannetty and Shawn Michaels where
> Sherri gets the mirror busted over her head.
> 
>   Bam Bam Bigelow is coming to WWF.
> 
>   Debut of the Head Shrinkers.  Fatu and Samu (Vince actually keeps their
> SST names) wrestlle and one watches outside.  Anyone know who the one 
> outside the ring is?  It is NOT the Samoan Savage (aka 1/2 of the islanders,
> aka the Tonga Kid).  He looks a little older.  Anyways, after some decent
> moves (though I was expecting a little more) they win when one of the 
> Samoans does a superfly swat off the top rope.
> 

afa
monsoon on wrestling challenge actually acknowledged that this guy had at one
time been 1/2 of the tag team champs.

hmmm and they used a different finisher on challenge.  basically a forward
russian leg sweep (double team)

>   Musical tribute to Bret Hart.  I think the name of the song was
> "Making Some Noise" simply because that was the lyric they kept repeating.
> Showed various clips of Bret in action.
> 
>   Big Bossman interviewed.  They had a nightstick on a pole.  
> 
>   Gene Okerlund on update announced Saturday Night's Main Event would be
> November 14 at 9:00  (I assume this is on Fox, I forgot to check if it was
> eastern standard time, or doesn't that matter anymore?)
> 
>   Debut of Damien Demento.  I think this guy used to be Mondo Klein in
> ICCW.  Won with a Rude Awakening followed by a knee drop.
> 
>   Surviver Series Update:  Bushwackers agreed to step aside, allowing
> the 8 man tag to now be ND & Nasty Boys vs Bev Bro & Money Inc.
> Undertaker has completed the coffin.
> 
>   Promo for Saturday Night's Main Event, no mention of matches.
> 
>   World Tag Title match: Money Inc. versus HIgh Energy- I just saw the
> end, where Owen cleans house, fires Dibiase into the ropes, ducks his head
> to early and Dibiase does a swinging neck breaker and PINS him!  Talk about
> a pathetic job by one of the most talented guys in the federation.
> 
>   Next week:  Nailz, feature match: Bulldog vs Repo Man.
-- 

mp                                                

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From: dkempste@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David N Kempster)
Subject: Re: ESPN
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:55:39 GMT


In article <Bx5GA0.JwB@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> fippjc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joe F
ipp) writes:


>> apparently the regulars groaned and the others showed indifference.
>
>  Is this current?  Is Kerry going to GWF? By the way, who are the regulars
>and others?  Are they the wrestlers and were their reactions actually shown
>on tv?  Seems kind of "non-markish"

By "the regulars" I mean the fans that come week after week. The others are 
those who came because they got free tickets (that is almost everyone). Yes 
this is current. He in fact showed up the following week to make a save. The 
Monday and Tuesday programs are GWF and are current. The other programs will 
start out with GWF announcers but then all the matches are USWA from their 
Dallas Days.
                                            David Kempster
                                            Fx
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From: fippjc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joe Fipp)
Subject: Re: trivia
Summary: Say what?
Organization: Purdue University
Distribution: rec.sports.pro-wrestling
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:00:17 GMT

In article <Bxn31F.I16@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel) writes:
> (Brian Wawczak) writes...
> >>   Just for history's sake, here's a real trivia question: there have been
> >>seven teams who have lost the WWF tag team title and regained it *from the
> >>same team* they lost it to.  Two of them are Demolition and the Natural 
> >>Disasters.  You want trivia?  Name the other five.              ^^^^^^^
    ^^^^^^^^^

  Don't you mean Money Inc.?  It was my understancing that LOD lost to 
Money Inc (by Natural Disaster interference which was later denied).  ND
did a face turn and beat Money Inc. for the title, and last weekend Money
Inc. got the titles back.  Therefore, two of the seven teams to regain it 
from the team they lost it to would be Demolition and Money Inc., and I
believe both Windham & Rotundo and Iron Shiek & Volkoff are on it, both by
losing it to and getting it back from each other (not positive though).

			Fippster 6
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From: Otto Heuer #3 <ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com>
Subject: Re:  [WCW] Clash of Champions
To: rec.sport.pro-wrestling (wres)
Posted-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 14: 44:17 CST
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Herb writes:

> Otto Heuer #3 <ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com> writes:
> > Rob C writes:
> > >        - Erik Watts & Kunsuke Sasaki v. Arn Anderson & Bobby Eaton
> > Oh Gawd!  AA & BB jobbing for Erik and KS.  If Sasaki's workrate  is as bad
> > as his last two US matches this will be absolutely pitiful.
> 
>   Are you mixing up Masa Chono (who has had two bad matches air - one
>   on TV and one at Havoc) and Kensuke Sasaki?

I sure am.  Geez... that's three times in the last few weeks.  This
whole mess started with me mixing up Koko's bird Frakie with Freddie
Mercury and then mixing up Missy and Madusa at the Paul E arm wrestling
Clash fiasco. :-)

Yes.  Chono bit the last few times I saw him wrestle.  Sasaki actually
looked pretty damn good for a roided asian wrestler.

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From: robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Backlund's Push in WWF (WAS Re: News from GEnie)
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:37:39 GMT
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Distribution: world
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In article <BxD3EC.4AF@acsu.buffalo.edu>, Eric Chmiel writes:
>    Also, time to put those Backlund-wins-WWF-title rumours on the scrap
>heap.  Meltzer reports that Backlund didn't get over *at all* at either of
>these tapings.

I'm surprised to read *you* saying this, Eric.

What's the *average* age of a WWF fan?  About seven, right?   ;-)

How many years ago did Bobby fork over the title to the Sheik to make way 
for his roiding Hulkness?  Almost nine, right?

Therefore, all of those people who didn't pop probably didn't simply
because they were about -2 years old the last time Backlund's presence in
the WWF was acknowledged, and they don't know who he is.  Not to mention
that they probably thought he was just another jobber coming out to help...

Actually, if anyone can push a wrestler, it's McMoney, so don't count him
out yet.  Plus, the mighty Virgil wished him the best on his comeback on this
week's superstars!  ;-@

============================>Robert McMullen<============================

    The opinions expressed in this message in no way reflect those of   
   ASK Computer Systems, Inc.  Flames welcome, but highly uncalled for! 

=========================>robert@askinc.ask.com<=========================
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From: GAINES@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Richard Gaines Jr.)
Subject: Re: Many things
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:08:18 GMT


>In article <De+Xr*pV0@Birdland.UUCP>, Andy@Birdland.UUCP (Andy Patrizio) writes:

>* Rick Rude looks strange without the moustache. Is there anything serious
>  between him and Madusa? Last I heard she was either married to or getting
>  a divorce from Eddie Gilbert. (is there a woman in wrestling has hasn't
>   married, besides maybe the Fabulous Moolah?)

A friend of mine works in a hotel here in Columbus and Madusa stayed one night
on a stop between cards in Cincinnati and Cleveland.  My friend got to talk to
her for a little while and she confirmed that Rude and her are a couple.  As
a matter of fact Madusa lists her home address as being from Robbinsdale, Mn.
Sound familiar!!

Richard Gaines, Jr.
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From: ventura@camelot.bradley.edu (Brian Wawczak)
Subject: Re: trivia
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: rec.sports.pro-wrestling
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:31:36 GMT

In <BxMC7K.218@acsu.buffalo.edu> v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel) writes:

>(Brian Wawczak) writes...
>>>     Money Inc's victory over the Natural Disasters got me thnking of
>>>a trivia question: What was the last team (before Money Inc) to regain
>>>the WWF tag-team titles from the team which ORIGINALLY beat them for
>>>the titles? I think I know the answer, but I want to see what 
>>>everybody else thinks.
>> 
>>Here comes the Axer...Here comes the Smasher...The Demolition....Walking
>>Disaster....

>   Just for history's sake, here's a real trivia question: there have been
>seven teams who have lost the WWF tag team title and regained it *from the
>same team* they lost it to.  Two of them are Demolition and the Natural 
>Disasters.  You want trivia?  Name the other five.    

1. Barry Windham and Mike Rotundo
2. The Samoans
3. Martel & Garea
4. The Strongbows
5. Jimmy and Johnny Valiant????

--

ventura@camelot.bradley.edu  

"I'm a 60 minute man, and I'm ALL night long! WOOOOOO!!!"
        - "The Real World's Heavyweight Champion"(tm)  Ric Flair
 
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From: hekunze@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Herb Kunze)
Subject: Re: Chono vs. Rude
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:01:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.075100.6544@zip.eecs.umich.edu> macika@emunix.emich.edu (Dominic Macika) writes:
>In article <Bx746r.C9L@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> hekunze@violet.uwaterloo.ca (Herb Kunze) writes:
>>  Very few of the top "stars" in these groups are
>>  protected from doing jobs.
>
>I have to partially disagree here.  How often does Choshu or Hansen or
>Tsuruta job?  I think there is an "elite" in Japan that are protected
>from jobs, sit just isn't as big as the group of people who avoid
>jobbing here in NA.

  I don't think there's any disagreement.

  Another thing to notice is that even though a small number of guys
  may be protected from doing jobs in All Japan and New Japan, they 
  still do more jobs than protected North American guys in the same
  time period.

  The one guy in All Japan who seems to rarely job and doesn't deserve
  that honour is Akira Taue, right Dominic?  

  I think Antonio Inoki had to have the worst job-to-match ratio of
  any regular in Japan.  In all the tapes I've watched from 1980 on,
  I haven't seen a single job from him.   

  Maybe it's just more painful to notice this with Inoki and Taue
  because they aren't at all pleasant to watch, IMO.
                                                            Herb...
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From: hit@sol.acs.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe)
Subject: Re: Backlund's Push in WWF (WAS Re: News from GEnie)
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:37:11 GMT

Don Becker <grendel@jaflrn.UUCP> writes:

>As for pops, just wait until the 28th when he returns to the Garden! If the 
>audience is stil 75% hardcores (like it usually is), they may REALLY blow 
>the roof off the building.

I expect the same thing.  The places he didn't get reaction were not where
WWF used to promote the shows in Backlund's days.  I'm sure he gets a big
pop in Northeast as long as there are older fans.

>--Don
>  who still doesn't know who Max Moon is supposed to be

Paul "Kato" Diamond, isn't he?
-- 
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From: Andy@Birdland.UUCP (Andy Patrizio)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Recent Rumors
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 13:04:33 EST
Reply-To: uunet!tension!birdland!andy
Keywords: WCW Def American Rick Rubin
Summary: Doesn't surprise me, actually
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In article <74124@hydra.gatech.EDU>,  Jon Kincaid writes:

> 1) Watts appears to be on shaky ground. Rumor has it that Jim Herd (oh no)
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yayyy!!!				  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
					  Nooooooooo!	

> 2) While Jim Cornette is in fact running SMW, it appears that the money
> behind the organization is coming from Rick Rubin, whizkid founder of Def
> Jam/Def American Records. This jibes with info a friend got from heavy
> metal hero Danzig, who told him a few years ago that Rubin had tried to buy
> into WCW and had been offered a percentage of the AWA from Vern Gagne.

Well, Glen Danzig used to be a pro wrestler years back. Thing is, he's as
short as Bill Dundee, but you can see how big he is. He also knows how to
blow himself up and look even bigger for pictures.

There was another musician turned wrestler, Nasty Ronnie. He had a band
called Nasty Savage. He wrestled in the indies, mostly in Florida. Anyone
seen him lately?

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From: rjackson@lambert.uwaterloo.ca (Darkman)
Subject: Re: Wrestling Superstars
Keywords: Update
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:55:54 GMT

In article <1192Nov12.23308> (Deepak CHHARBRA) writes: 
>I can remember some time ago when Col. Mustafa was new that Vince quietly 
>blurted out," ...former World Wrestling Federation Champion.  Now calling
>himself 'Col. Mustafa'."  It was so casual that it was very easy to miss.
>I believe that it was on the Sunday noon show, whatever it was called back
>then.  Anybody else remember this?

Sure.  Col. Mustafa used to be the Iron Sheik.  The guy Hulk Hogan beat to become
the WWF champ for the first time.  It was mentioned more than once on different
shows.  Obviously past history of wrestlers is so important to Vince that he
feels that everyone should know.

Darkman.
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