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From: wrd@halcyon.com (william dickson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: System 6.0 first impressions and questions
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:13:28 GMT
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service

Well, thanks to the generous Mr. Tsang, I now have a copy of System 6.  I 
installed it last night, and so far I want to love it and squeeze it and 
pet it and hug it....

The sound cdev is lots of fun; is there an easy way to convert regular 
old binary sounds into hypercard sounds?  How about to steal sounds from 
Macintosh hypercard stacks?  And if I were to go buy HyperStudio, does it 
use the same format for sounds?

TrueType is MUCH happier now.  I was transferring fonts from my 
roommate's Mac last night, and everything worked flawlessly except, oddly 
enough, the Chicago font.  Pointless refused to produce anything useful 
from it.  I tried the transfer three times, rebooting after installing 
the font the second and third times.  Not a big deal, but curious.

Also, though Pointless and GS/OS seemed to know what the TT fonts were 
when I transferred *from* the Mac using the HFS FST, the Mac was unable 
to duplicate the feat when I transferred fonts to it from my GS.  It 
seemed to think they were all "documents."

So far (1 day), I've had no crashes or freezes or lock-ups or anything 
bad happen.  The only thing I'm having a problem with is the finder icon 
set.  The file seems to be gone, and my old fun finder icons can't seem 
to assert themselves.  Is there a way to alter the finder icons in System 
6.0 with a simple icon editor?

Development team, if you're still listening:  Great work, and thanks!


Bill D.


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From: t.captain@bluemoon.rn.com (Tc Wilson)
Subject: Re: 1991 Awards recipients
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 03:52:47 EDT

mattd@apple.com (Matt Deatherage) writes:

Ohhh, you all just KNOW that I could rip and raise cain over some of those 
awards... but for now, I will hold off (but don't you think that the 
givers of the awards.......)


Tc Wilson/The Captain           "Programming is an art form
t.captain@bluemoon.rn.com        that fights back."
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From: dmfriend@iastate.edu (David M Friend)
Subject: Re: GIF stuff...
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:19:37 GMT

Chris,

I had the same problem you did with GIF3200.  You didn't say how much memory
you had, but I would guess that that is the culprit.  I only have 1.25 meg and
if I booted thru the Finder I couldn't even view 640 x 480, but I could still
view smaller gifs.  I made a self booting disk with just GIF3200 on it as the
start program and I can now view 640 x 480 and slightly larger, but it still
crashes on very large gifs.  My guess is that GIF3200 doesn't handle memory
allocation very well (it seems like I read that in the docs...) and that the
conversion routines take up lots of memory.  

So, after all of that, my suggestion is 1) get more memory or 2) make a self
booting disk, being sure to leave and DAs off.

Dave Friend
dmfriend@iastate.edu

ps.  for some reason, after viewing large gifs, the program would crash if I
tried to view another one without quitting first.  this isn't that big of a
deal since I booted from the GIF3200 disks, but its still kind of annoying.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: sknkwrks@unlv.edu (Scott Alfter)
Subject: Re: Backup II
Organization: Skunk Works Software Co.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 08:57:29 GMT

Here's an idea for backup software:  why not have ShrinkIt do volume
backup?

Seriously!  As I write this, I'm backing up my 286's HD to 1.2-meg
floppies.  Backup software?  I'm not using DR DOS's BACKUP, and I'm
not using Fastback, Norton Backup, or any of those other high-priced
programs...I'm using ARJ, a file packer available for DOS boxes.  ARJ
includes an option to split an archive across multiple disks, giving
each file a different number (so you can sort 'em into the correct
order if you ever mix 'em up.  It also allows you to store the files
without attempting compression...nice feature to have when you're
backing up lots of already-compressed files.  (You can have it
compress files, of course, but that would slow down the backup quite a
bit.)

I see no practical reason why ShrinkIt couldn't do something similar.
I might even be tempted to send money for a copy of ShrinkIt that
could back up my HD to multiple floppies...especially since I've never
made a working backup of my Apple's HD! :-) It'd certainly be better
than Backup II, and could probably give other backup software a run
for the money since ShrinkIt could, if you want, do compressed
backups.  Andy Nicholas, are you reading this? :-)

  _/_   Scott Alfter                             Internet: sknkwrks@cs.unlv.edu
 / v \  Call the Skunk Works BBS today!         Fidonet: 1:209/765 or 1:209/211
(IIe (  (702) 896-2676 v.32bis Apple II/IBM                     GEnie: S.ALFTER
 \_^_/  Ask me about SoftDAC--digital audio for your IIe/IIc! Apple II Forever!
From: cust_ts@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Tero Sand)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:27:20 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <46156@dime.cs.umass.edu> gray@ibis.cs.umass.edu (Lyle H. Gray) writes:
[...]
>Has anyone thought of the possibility that it might be the _order_ in which
>the drivers load that is the problem?  In these messages, two people have very
>similar systems (at least as far as they're described), and one works, the
>other doesn't.  If you have the same files, the same hardware, what's left?
>The order of the files is the only thing I can think of.
>
>All right, what do you both have?  How much memory, whose, and how much is
>allocated to a RAM5 disk?  Which ROM do you have?  What drivers (other than
>RAMFAST.SYSTEM and SCSI.MANAGER)?  What order are the drivers stored in
>(delete the Finder.Data in that folder to find out the real order)?

My system:

ROM 01
256K + 5 MB on a DMA compatible GS RAM Plus
No /RAM5

My DRIVERS folder:

AEHDDisk3.5	Device driver
AppleDisk5.25	Device driver
Modem		Device driver
ImageWriter	Device driver	
Printer		Device Driver
Console.Driver	Device Driver
AppleDisk3.5	Device Driver
RAMFAST.DRIVER	Device Driver
TEXTPRINTER	Device Driver
NULL		Device Driver
SCSICD.Driver	Device Driver
Media.Control	Device Driver
SCSI.Manager	Device Driver
Printer.Setup	Binary
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  EMail: cust_ts@cc.helsinki.fi     Snail mail: Auroran Sairaala os. 8
  (if that doesn't work, try                    Nordenskioldinkatu 20
   cust_ts@kruuna.helsinki.fi)                  00250 Helsinki 25, Finland
From: PKBRANDON@MSUS1.MSUS.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6 and Ramdisks
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:33:00 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Interesting; I've had no problems doing disk-to-disk copying under Sys6;
either floppy-to-floppy or floppy-to/from /ram5 (even with /RAM5
initialized to HFS!).  I've got two systems, both with ZipGS 8/32's.
Plenty of memory available on both; might _that_ be a factor?  All this
is under the Finder; I haven't tried other copying utilities.
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From: bi757@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ed Stutsman)
Subject: >> AWKS & PT3 <<
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 11:25:51 GMT


 
 
Is there any Internet discussions of Appleworks or PT3
going on???
 
I'm an AWKS, PT3 addict.
 
Addresses please......
                ......and Thanks in advance.
 
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From: MQUINN@UTCVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6 & AWGS 1.0
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:28:37 GMT
Organization: The Internet

On Wed, 8 Apr 1992 09:37:00 U <GHBLEE@NTIVAXD> said:
>On Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:21:33 GMT,
>Steve Jordan <hplextra!hpfcso!sjordan@HPLABS.HPL.HP.COM> wrote:
>
>>I tryed using Appleworks GS version 1.0v2 with system 6 and discovered
>>that modules won't load.  The program launches ok, but when I actually
>>select a module (word proc, spreadsheet, graphics, etc.), I get a message
>>such as: "Unable to load word processor module."
>
>I've got AWGS 1.0 running fine with System 6.  The only time I got the
>"Unable to load xxxxx module" message was when I *renamed* the Appleworks.GS

Another reason this may happen is because you may have had JUST enough free
RAM under 5.0.4 to load the modules, but since 6.0 takes up more memory,
you probably don't have enough.  Go to the control panel and see how much
free RAM you have after you've started up AWGS.  You probably need at LEAST
1.5MB total to run AWGS under 6.0.  I don't know for sure, just making an
educated guess.

>- h.b.-

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From: ppuskari@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Petar E Puskarich)
Subject: Re: Supra Corp.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:29:49 GMT

For those of you interested in Modem cables configs and such.

Check out the docs with the Eclipse BBS system.  YOu can find it on
Tybalt.caltech.

This is a very slick system.  Although It is a bit buggy so far and a lot
of rewritting needs to be done.  All in all.  For FREEWARE, this is
EXCELLENT.  I can tell a lot of work has gone into it.


The pinouts and explanations of cables are in the archive in Eclipse in the 
docs folder under Technical reference manual I believe.

Hope this helps,

Petar Puskarich
ppuskari@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

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From: bb252@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James L. Brookes)
Subject: Re: Ack! GNO problem!
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 16:28:37 GMT


greis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gayla Ann Greis) writes:
 
[other stuff deleted]
 
>erw-brd 0000 $C7         0 Jul 26 17:30 1991 DirectConnect
>erw-brd 0000 $C7         0 Jul 26 17:30 1991 General
>erw-brd 0000 $C7         0 Jul 26 17:30 1991 Keyboard
>erw-brd 0000 $C7         0 Jul 26 17:30 1991 Modem
>erw-brd 0000 $C7         0 Jul 26 17:30 1991 Monitor
 
[etc]
 
This is a bit unrelated to your question, but does this bother anyone but
me?  Namely, the ls -l showing resource-only files as 0 blocks, and
two fork files as the size of the data fork.  I'm not sure of a better
way to handle that, besides maybe at least showing the file is forked (maybe
a '+' after the FT or between the FT and auxtype?).
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From: sjordan@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Steve Jordan)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:45:13 GMT
Subject: TrueType fonts--Help
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2

Could someone describe TrueType fonts?  Are they included with my sys6, or do
I need to get them separately? (Where?)  Why are they any better than standard
GS fonts?  Do my GS programs automatically use them, or do I need programs
written to take advantage of them?  Doesn't the new Windows 3.1 for IBM PCs
use TrueType fonts?  I probably missed an old note that described all this...

Thanks!
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From: johnt@meaddata.com (John Townsend)
Subject: High Speed Modems on IIgs
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:53:18 GMT

I'd like to get a Supra V.32bis/V.42bis (14.4K bps with up to 4:1 compression)
FAX/modem for use with my IIgs with ROM 01.  However, the maximum speed of the
modem port appears to be only 19.2K bps, and the theoretical peak of the modem
is 57.6K bps.  Is 19.2K bps the limit on ROM 03 mamaboards too?  The SSC seems
to have this limit.  Is there any way to get 57.6K bps on the IIgs?  Does the
modem port have the hardware handshaking signals needed to avoid dropping
characters?  Thanks for any info you can give; with the low cost of this modem
($289.95 from BFJ, 1-800-932-4712), I'm sure a lot of people are going to want
to use them.

--
John Townsend                     Internet:   johnt@meaddata.com
c/o Mead Data Central             UUCP:       ...!uunet!meaddata!johnt
9555 Springboro Pike              GEnie:      J.E.TOWNSEND
Miamisburg, OH  45342             Telephone:  (513) 865-7250 
                                  Telefax:    (513) 865-1655
From: danield@pro-grouch.cts.com (Daniel Davidson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: ProLine and FutureVision Disucsion
Date: 11 Apr 92 05:58:04 GMT
Organization: The Collective Insanity

szatezal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Shane M Zatezalo) writes:
>>>Ever been in the METAL Shell? It completley smokes Proline...
>Greg, I don't know about that. Metal's shell is still "in its infancy".
>Proline's shell does a LOT, even though its got that archaic unix look
>to it. (HEY, that's just my opinion. Its functional, but at times I really
>get sick of unix.... don't flame me about it)

Unix archaic??  I'm not dure I'd agree with that. I won't flame you over it,
but I don't agree with it.

>> [Stuff about never seeing a FutureVision system running deleted]
>Too bad... you'd get to see how a great product is evolving.

I have used both systems, and I can say that I like ProLine better. 
FutureVision reminds me a lot of GBBS Pro.  I know that FV has more features
than GBBS Pro, but they are still very much the same in interface terms.

>An internet gateway is in the works... but hey, things like that take time.
>Proline didn't start right out with it. Besides, all metal boards are linked
>up with each other. (just like proline) So you can't say "you get what you
>pay for" :)

Ah, but in the works means Vaporware until it is avalible. The lead time that
ProLine has in delopment is a feature in it self. ProLine is not waiting for
Internet and UseNet gateways. They already exsist.  ProLine does more than
talk ot just ProLine sites. My ProLine site is connected to my Unix site.
No problems.  

Don't get me wrong.  FV looks to be a good developing product, but it has not
yet developed a lot of the Features that are already Avalible wit ProLine.

Each System has it's own advantages and Disadvantages, just playiwth them
both, and see what you like.  Spend your money on that.

BTW, in this Discussion EBBS seems to have ben totaly forgotten. :)

Daniel
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: System 6 and Softswitch
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:51:37 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.130932.20582@ausom.oz.au> spa@ausom.oz.au (Stephen Parry) writes:
> I've found that softswitch when used with Finder 6 will crash the system.
> 
> Has anyone else found the same problem?

I've also found that SoftSwitch no longer works.  I think it is
incompatible with the patched CDA menu (which supports first-letter
shortcuts to get to each item).

The system crashes (or locks up?  I don't remember) during boot,
presumably when SOFTSWITCH.INIT is loaded.

Has anyone told Roger Wagner Publishing or Ken Kashmarek?  If so, is
anything being done about it?

Does anyone know if SOFTSWITCH will work without SOFTSWITCH.INIT?
-- 
David Empson

Internet: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz    EMPSON_D@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Snail mail: P.O. Box 27-103, Wellington, New Zealand
From: fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Here is the FIX for the new P8 problems
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:26:05 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <32227@darkstar.ucsc.edu> unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown Matt) writes:
>	Serious qeustion here..  Why is letting the RamFAST do the remapping
>better than letting P8 do the mapping?

Because I can CHOOSE what partition gets mapped to what slot.

Besides, some copy-protected software uses modified versions of ProDOS 8;
I can't update those disks, so I'd be limited to certain partitions.

>(Plus, since it's Apple's software, you'd think if there were any other
>sorts of conflicts whatsoever, Apple's would do it more 'within its own rules')

Ha, that's a good one!

>/unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu                                    Apple IIGS Forever!\

"Did you hear something?"	-- Matt Deatherage

-- 
fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
[ Above opinions are mine, Amdahl has nothing to do with them, etc, etc. ]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: david@cs.uow.edu.au (David E A Wilson)
Subject: P8 v2.0.1 - I like it (plus some questions/observations)
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:19:18 GMT

I finally got the new P8 onto my //e. The remapping works well with my homemade
ROM disk card. The startup screen barely stays on the screen long enough to read
(I suppose this was because I was booting from a RAM disk).

Now a few questions based on my perusal of the ProDOS installer disk routines.

1)	Why does it do a smartport status on unit #2 prior to the status
	on unit #0 to determine the number of units actually present - but
	ONLY if the smartport is a SCSI smartport according to $cnfb?

2)	I see that the "map slot 5 drive 3 & 4 into slot 2 drive 1 & 2" code
	is still present even though the new smartport mapping could have
	done this. Is this so that these devices will remain in slot 2
	or is the ProDOS entry quicker than the SmartPort remapper (or
	some other reason altogether)?

3)	It appears that the remapper will refuse to use the second drive
	position of a slot containing a smartport card. Thus an Apple
	"Slinky" slot RAM card will effectively use up two volume positions.
	Is this correct and if so why?

4)	If anyone is lucky enough to have 14 volumes after the remapper is
	done, ProDOS will then be unable to install /RAM which might then
	cause some programs that require the entire Aux memory (and check
	for /RAM in case ProDOS now uses the Aux LC) to fail to run.

	I just had another look and I think it is even worse - the /RAM
	installer does not check for slot 3 drive 2 being vacant - it just
	writes the $ff00 vector in and increments the number of devices by 1.
	This could be interesting...

Now a question about partitioning SCSI hard discs. If you repartition your
disc so that it has more logical volumes does the smartport immediately
report more units online to the status call or does it need to be inited?
Either way P8 would need to be rebooted to realize that the number of volumes
has increased.
-- 
David Wilson				(042) 21 3802 voice, (042) 21 3262 fax
Dept Comp Sci, Uni of Wollongong	david@cs.uow.edu.au
From: agrden@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: "Apples for the Students"
Date: 10 Apr 92 09:25:13 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University

In article <max.702671678@isis>, max@isis.eng.hou.compaq.com (Max Heffler) writes:
> I just read in today's Houston Post than Hakeem Olajuwon of the Houston
> Rockets presented an Apple II GS Color Computer System and an Apple
> Image Writer Printer to Grimes Elementary School here as part of
> AppleTree Markets' fourth "Apples for the Students" program.
> 
> I thought you might like to know...
> -- 
> Max Heffler, Senior Software Engineer   internet: max@compaq.com
> Compaq Computer Corporation             uucp: ..!uunet!max@compaq.com
> P.O. Box 692000 - M050701               phone: (713) 378-8366
> Houston, Texas  77269-2000              fax:   (713) 374-7305

And you might like to know that Apple Australia have decided to run the same
scheme again this year     but    ...   schools HAVE to have macs!   Last year
they expected to move 50% apple iie and 50 % mac but the schools voted with
their dockets    80% apple iie!

Kevin
From: lhaider@pro-beagle.cts.com (Laer Haider)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: 6.0 and reset key?
Date: 5 Apr 92 23:34:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-beag.d561787
Organization: ProLine [pro-beagle]

> Hmm.. Often, when System 6 locks up on me, I hit
>control-open-apple reset and nothing happens at all. I hit it
>15 million times - nothing. I actually have to flip ON AND OFF
>THE COMPUTER TO GET IT WORKING AGAIN. Now, I think my power
>supply is going to hell and that may be a part of this - but
>this does not happen any other time than when some program
>running under system 6 crashes. DAVE!! HELP!!! 

Same thing happens to me...  I thought everyone was asking for better crash
recovery, not a total lack of it (as far as I can tell anyway).
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From: bj687@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gregory Joseph Boehnlein)
Subject: Re: NEWS RELEASE: MDG INTRODUCES PROLINE 2.0
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 05:57:04 GMT


Actually, I haven't had METAL crash on me in over 6 months.

What do you expect, though, from a language that grows on a monthly basis?
Everytime I turn around, there is something better, faster and easier
added to the language. The majority of problems I have experienced have 
been due to stupid errors on my part.

>I< think that TC has done a marvelous job with the package, and as a customer
can't compalin about a thing.

Personally, I am waiting for the day, which isn't that far off, when I can
reply to Usenet from MY desk using METAL. It's not out of reach, just out of
mind for now.
-- 
--
Greg Boehnelin  - Sysop of Damage Incorporated (216)328-0374 - METAL!
Internet: bj687@freenet.cwru.edu   r0942@vmcms.csuohio.edu
From: bslog@pro-scat.cts.com (Bill Logsdon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6.0
Date: 16 Apr 92 07:16:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: crash.1992Apr16.071631.3428
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA


Any advice on how to get my PrintShop GS & Companion to run under 6.0?  I
was able to install onto my hard drive & run them fine under 5.0.4.......

don't understand it.... got 7 megs of ram.....

/s
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From: dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: 6.0 easter eggs
Date: 9 Apr 92 09:25:40 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Apr4.115332.27011@actrix.gen.nz> ahoney@actrix.gen.nz (Allan Honey) writes:
>[...]
>Any chance of getting enough info to generate a TIME CDEV that will handle
>'local' daylight savings????

Local to where?  Are you in New Zealand?  I have no clue what the rules are
for non-USA daylight time.  Maybe we can at least put a "hook" in so somebody
can write an init for various localities.
-- 
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Apple II System Software Engineer         |   P.O. Box 875
America Online: Dave Lyons                |   Cupertino, CA 95015-0875
GEnie:DAVE.LYONS  CompuServe:72177,3233 Internet:dlyons@apple.com

My opinions are my own, not Apple's.
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