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From: barlow@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Rebel)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Neutering question
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:48:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1e8nn4INN99v@agate.berkeley.edu> spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes:

>rhart@haas.berkeley.edu (Richard Hart) writes:

>>Is is normal for the vet to keep the cat overnight after
>>neuter surgery? This is a male cat. I don't remember this
>>being the practice last time I had a boy cat (years ago).
>>
>>I don't think they even kept my girls overnight, come to think of it.
>>
>>Net wisdom?

>Your vet has learned much from watching cats over
>the years.

>He's learned to fluff up his invoices.

>Steve

When my cat Zeb(female) went to be spayed not only did they keep her
overnight the night following surgery but also the night before so
they could regulate her food and water and so that she would be calmer 
the next morning. The night following stay was to watch for complications
from the anesthesia. I am personally offended by this reply which
suggests that the only thing the vet cares about is his paycheck....Zeb
was given the best of care and in the case of an emergency qualified
people would be on hand to help something I could not accomplish at home.
Steve, the question I would ask you is does the amount of money for
your pet matter that much to you. You would expect an overnight stay in
the hospital if YOU had major surgery, why shouldn't your cat expected
the same? This just buggs me alot...in league with people who think
33 cents a can for food is WAY too expensive for a cat!! Please!

Jen (proud mommy to Zeb
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: ren@Turing.ORG (Karen Prestemon)
Subject: Re: Help - Allergies to New Kitty
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:39:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.160232.14970@dbased.nuo.dec.com> eldridge@tachyn.enet.dec.com (Kathi Eldridge) writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov18.020201.12365@netcom.com>, ltao@netcom.com (Lilly Tao) writes:
>|>
>|>Anyone have any experience with Allerpet?  It's this liquid substance
>|>that you rub all over your cat.  It's supposed to cut down on cat dander
>|>and saliva allergic reactions.  I found it in my local pet store; haven't
>|>tested it out much since we're not sure if our current visitor is fully
>|>allergic to cats or not (well, she's not sniffling yet!).  I haven't checked
>|>the FAQ about this product, so sorry if it's already fully documented.
>|>

I have a cat.  I am a severe chronic asthmatic with allergies to aniomal
dander.  The literature I've read on allergies says that if you wash
a cat often enopugh, it will simply stop producing the allergen.  Doctors
don't know why, it just happens.  It is the bathing itself, not the
product that affects change.  Sitting the cat in lukewarm, stale
water supposedly helps, and since Allerpet is just rubbed on, this
step gets missed.

When we first got the kitten, I sneezed and wheezed for two weeks.
During those two weeks, she got baths just about every day.  i used
Allerpet and a regular deodornat shampoo.  The only significant
difference I noticed between the two was the price!  Actually, I have
a shampoo from the vet that also helps control fleas that I have
found to be more effective than Allerpet.  Ans it smells better, too!
From: at881@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (N. French)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: I confess - I'm a cat addict!
Date: 20 Nov 1992 06:56:01 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: at881@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (N. French)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Five months ago when I got Spanky, I said "NO, he will be the
only one. A lone cat. Uno. Period."

The weakening of my will began when I took him to the Humane Society
for his pictures. The people taking the pictures told me of a darling
orange/white kitty waiting to be adopted. I remained strong. I told them
to quit it, I have this problem, I can't say no to cats. So don't even
tempt me. I bravely left with only my original cat in tow.

During the week I maintained by telling myself "the landlord won't
like it - I couldn't afford the extra pet deposit" or "my sister
(roomie) is allergic. She loves Spanky but wouldn't want another
to deal with."

Tonight, in casual conversation with the landlord, he said he
would encourage me to get a kitten for Spanky, he seems lonely
during the day. Said he wouldn't charge me another nickel. (I
should have known this was a stupid argument, this apartment
building is *named* after the landlord's cats - a cat or two
in EVERY window.) So I mention it to my sister - and she starts
asking Spanky what color new brother he wants! (He approves
of anything but an orange female, apparently - taking 'yip'
for yes and 'yow' for no. A big 'yow' and a paw swipe on the
orange issue.)

So, I'm looking for a baby brother for Spanky. I knew this
would happen :-) So I have the willpower of a marshmallow - so sue me.
From: dblackbu@alleg.edu (Dave Blackburn)
Subject: Cat going bald?
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:23:46 GMT

Hi folks!
I have a question for y'all. I talked to my sister on the phone the other  
night, and one of her cats is going bald. It's just thinning, no sign of  
scratching, itching, fleas, or ringworm patches. The fur is just getting  
thinner to the point where she can see the skin easily. From her description  
it sounds like the undercoat is being lost more than the longer coarser hairs. 
I suggested Vitamin E and other sources of oil in the diet. Any other  
suggestions would be very welcome. Is this a symptom of anything dangerous? I  
will be mailing her a hard copy of the FAQ set (Thanks a mega, Cindy Tittle  
Moore!) 
I've set the followup to Poster, if any mail bounces the e-mail in my .sig 
will work. 
Happy thanksgiving everybody!
--

* Dave Blackburn  dblackbu@alleg.edu  flames to self@home.dev.null *          
* Chemistry, Macs, Hypercard, cats,  <>< religion, & the Dead      *
* (Anyone else who held these opinions would be as crazy as I am.) *
*   "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own"   *
From: amanda@rana.usc.edu (Amanda Bischoff)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: travel
Date: 20 Nov 1992 13:49:25 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: rana.usc.edu
Keywords: travel


Just a quick comment on travel -- my cat will be coming into the
cabin with me.  Supposedly at certain times of the year airlines
will refuse to put a pet in the hold because it is extremely cold
in there.  You can request the airline to allow your cat in the
cabin (check for carrier measurements so the carrier will fit
under the seat properly), but do it at the time you buy the ticket.
It will cost a little extra (Ozzy is $50 each way, I believe,
on American Airlines), but you will feel better having the cat
in sight, and the cat feels better having *you* in sight.  Just
make sure you notify the airline well in advance -- some airlines
allow no more than one pet per cabin.  If you are concerned about
your cat making a fuss, besides putting comforting things in
the carrier, you may want to discuss getting mild tranquilizers
from the vet so that your cat sleeps through the flight and is
comfortable.

Enjoy your trip.

Amanda & Osiris
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: jsw@titan.ucc.umass.edu (J. Williams)
Subject: Re: Cats on TV
Originator: jsw@titan.ucc.umass.edu
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:29:18 GMT


Would anyone happen to have the words to Data's "Ode to Spot"?


Jeremy
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: toftner@icd.teradyne.com (Liv Toftner)
Subject: Re: Cat's vision
Reply-To: toftner@icd.teradyne.com
Organization: Teradyne, Inc. Boston MA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:54:12 GMT


>So, my daughter comes up to me last night and asks: "Does Nugget see in
>color?" (Nugget is the cat of course!).  I summon up all my knowledge on
>the subject and answer: "Ah, er, a .......I don't know."

>Aha, but I know where to ask...I hope.  So what say ye?  Do cats see in
>living color or just black and white?



According to this great book that was just given to me, 'Cat Watching' by 
Desmond Morris, cats do have limited color vision, ie. they can't 
distinguish between scarlet and rose red, but they can tell the difference
between red and blue or red and green.

Liv, Pounce and Lion
From: feldman@flash.crd.ge.com (Sandra F Feldman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Humane Society Blues
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:30:27 GMT
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

Are all Humane Societies the same?  Here in Albany I have visited two shelters.
One calls itself the ___ shelter,* the other the Humane Society of ___.  The
shelter is excellent.  Each cat or kitten has a cage with litter box, food and
water dish, an old rug or towel or bit of blanket to use as a bed, and most
also have a cat toy.  "Family units" have double or triple size cages.  The
Humane Society, on the other hand, keeps their cats on [not for the squeamish]
pine chips ! like I use for my guinea pigs.  No litter boxes! No blankets for
cat beds! To their credit, the pine chips looked fresh.  I was still repulsed.
I won't even go into the conditions of their dogs.   Suffice it to say that
the shelter has a much better situation all around, including plenty of 
volunteer huggers to help the cats stay used to people.  I have also adopted
from the Humane Society in Michigan, and their shelter was similar to 
the 'good' shelter here.

*actually, I think the shelter is called the Animal Protective Foundation, or
some such.

My two cents worth. 
Sandy
GE has no opinion on animal shelters.  I do not speak for GE.
Organization: Masters student, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:06:08 -0500 
From: Megan Terese Shult <msb3+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Is this a bad sign?

Not to be graphic, but I'm a little worried about this. . . 

I have a four month old kitty named Pheonix.  Beautiful little cat, the
color of charcoal with these unusual looking lighter grey markings. 
He's fun and cute and one hell of a jumper (see earlier post).  

But I've noticed that in the last week, the color of my kitty's stool
had changed color from its normal, brownish color to a odd looking
yellowish green.  It's still hard and all, but this is really a large
change.  

Does this mean anything?  Should I take my baby to the doctor?


Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: rmsycc@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Am I a bad cat owner??
Reply-To: rmsycc@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:58:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.165206.3799@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, ses3n@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Sharon Elizabeth Silverman) writes:
>
>The best way to get a cat to quit biting / scratching you is to
>make pathetic whimpering sounds when they attack. They look at 
>you with utter scorn - "You wimp!" - but they do quit.
>					Sharon
>				

It's true! It's true!  
Micio (mee-cho) likes to attack the HAND and ARM monster (the monster
likes it!), but sometimes Micio's mom gets bitten too hard.  I will
then make that pathetic whimpering sound and he looks at me as if to
say: "Mom, are you okay?" -- at least that's what my fragile ego 
thought he was saying, but now I realize that it is quite probably
a statement about my wimpiness!  Next time I'll wear my winter gloves
and he won't think me a wimp anymore!!

Bobbie

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: jcarr4@mach1.wlu.ca (judy carr 9207 U)
Subject: Re: Growing back fur
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 06:05:15 GMT

Gary Arkoff (arkoff@sun.lclark.edu) wrote:
: I adopted Znoober for the Humane Society in June of this year.  When I got
: her, the people at the Humane Society did not know if she was spayed or not
: so they shaved her belly (and part of her legs, they were not real accurate).
: 
: Anyways, it has been a little over four months and the fur has not fully 
: grown back.  It is still noticeably shorter.  How long should it take until
: it is fully grown back?  Also, because Znoober is a female cat, will her
: fur always be short/missing on parts of her belly?
: 
: -Gary
: 
: -- 
: I like pork.  Especially pork chops.  *An anymonous student comment made
:                                       *on the comment board in the cafeteria
: Gary L. Arkoff  arkoff@lclark.edu     *at Lewis and Clark College.

My familiy's cat, Whitey (16, black common short hair/Burmese mix, spayed)
had the side of her face shaved to drain an abcess (OUCH!)  It took almost
a year for the fur to grow back completely, but it *did* grow back!  :)

Jude (and Whitey and Cheers :)
From: afdenis@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Stephen King & Cats ... was Re: Other Monsters
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:09:00 GMT
Organization: Ancient Souls Inc.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <722493021.F00001@tdkt.kksys.com>, John.Seboldt@f31.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (John Seboldt) writes...
>In article <1992Nov13.204238.22322@Armstrong.EDU> 
> 
>I've seen twice on cable now, the movie "Cat's Eye" <?>, based on three 
>Stephen King stories.  I only saw the last segment each time -- where the 
>brave cat actually battles some kind of little gnome that is attacking a 
>little girl with his magic powers in her sleep.  It is hilariously heroic 
>-- the cat traps it on the kid's turntable, turns it on, turns up the 
>speed full blast, and it whips the little monster into the fan.  When 
>parents break in to the door (blocked shut by the clever demon), and see 
>the evidence that something real DID happen, she gets to keep the kitty!
> 

And the recent `Sleepwalkers' by King features cats in an even more 
prominent hero role. It seems these sleepwalker creatures, evolved from 
cats themselves, find cat scratches to be fatal in large enough numbers. 
The movie depicted the cats as stalking the creatures, like they were 
natural enemies or the cats were protectors of the human race or something. 
There were literally hundreds of cats waiting outside the house of these 
things in the movies. It was amazing how well all those cats worked 
together. The movie itself was nothing to write home about. 


-- Stephen

	Growing up is easier than you think ... one day, you just wake
	up an adult ... and mourn your loss. 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: pat@engr.ucf.edu (Patricia A. Therrien)
Subject: best kind of scoopable litter
Organization: engineering, University of Central Florida, Orlando
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:49:56 GMT

My roommate recently got a Himalayan kitten.  She wants to use
scoopable cat litter, but needs some recommendations.  Any
suggestions as to which brand(s) are the best, or worst?

Thanks for the info.

Patty



-- 
Patty Therrien				|   "Constantly amazed by the 
University of Central Florida		|    blades of the fan on the
Department of Mechanical Engineering	|    ceiling"
pat@engr.ucf.edu			|    ************************
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Cats on TV
From: dblackbu@alleg.edu (Dave Blackburn)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:09:20 GMT
Organization: Allegheny College

In article <1992Nov17.000859.29501@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>  
ehp@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU ("Didi Pancake") writes:
|In article <1992Nov15.231622.19961@ncar.ucar.edu> vicki@steam.atd.ucar.edu  
(Vicki Holzhauer) writes:
|>In article <1992Nov15.010637.26866@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  
vboynton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Virginia R Boynton) writes:
|>>Has anybody else noticed that some TV shows are finally beginning to 
|>>acknowledge the central role of cats in the American family?  Not only do  
we 
|>>have Data's Spot on "Star Trek," 
|>
|>Potential Spoilers for Star Trek episode "A Fistful of Datas":
|>
|>
|>
|>Any other Trekkers out there who found it amusing that Data had to
|>remove Spot from his keyboard not once but twice in this episode?  I
|>guess cats in the future haven't learned any more about reverence for
|>computers than cats in the present ... :-)
|
|Yup, I noticed that. Also loved the fact that the food replicators on
|several decks wouldn't give anything except cat food!
|
|--
||  Didi Pancake         |     When you are not looking,                  |
||  ehp@virginia.edu     |            this sentence is in Klingon.        |
||------------------------------------------------------------------------|
||  All the usual disclaimers about the origins of these opinions apply.  |

*And* the fact that Spot snubbed the cat food he was offered, and that he  
ignored "normal Data"'s request to get down but scooted at the "varmint"  
orders!
--

* Dave Blackburn  dblackbu@alleg.edu  flames to self@home.dev.null *          
* Chemistry, Macs, Hypercard, cats,  <>< religion, & the Dead      *
* (Anyone else who held these opinions would be as crazy as I am.) *
*   "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own"   *
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: lyson@mpr.ca (Angela Lyson)
Subject: Re: Raw Pork & Bacon
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 23:31:22 GMT


I have read that the problem with pork, cooked or raw, is that the
fat molecules/globules are large relative to a cat's system, 
and therefore dangerous (similar to the way (bad) cholesterol clogs
up humans' systems).

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From: collene@unisql.UUCP (Collene Pearce)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: kitty platform carseat
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:30:11 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

It's getting close to Christmas and I wanted to buy my Tamora one of
those platform carseats I saw advertized in a magazine, once.  However,
I've looked thru all the old Cat Fancy and Cats magazines I have and
can't find them advertized anymore.

They are shaped like a small "quanset hut".  They have a solid floor and
everything else (sides, ends, rounded top) is made of that black nylon
mesh (medium sized mesh).  The device is strapped to the back of the car
seat, so that it is up high enough that the cat can see out.  The fact 
that it's made out of mesh keeps the cat inside the device and enables 
it to be protected from accidents, while still allowing it to see all 
around.  I seem to remember they were rediculously expensive and were
only sold by mail order.

I thought this sort of cat car seat would be wonderful to have if I
ever want to take Tamora on a long trip.  

Does anyone know where I can write to get one of these for Tamora?

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: lhuffman@stsci.edu
Subject: Re: Saving mini-blinds
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:49:57 GMT

In article <1eet30INNafr@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>, msiegall@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (MARC SIEGALL) writes:
> Help!  My cats will bend back (and break) my mini-blinds, so that they
> can look out the window at night (while I'm asleep).  They push through
> the blinds and sit on the window sill.
> 
> My current "fix" is to put a piece of wall paneling in front of the
> blinds as a shield.
> 
> Any ideas on how to keep my cats off of the window sill, without having
> to put up shields?  It's a low window, and they just walk onto the sill
> from the back of the couch.  I can't put the couch elsewhere (besides,
> they'd probably just jump onto the sill).
> 


WHAT!! You want to KEEP CATS FROM DOING SOMETHING!?!?!

Sorry, but I'm still amazed when someone says they haven't capitulated to the
desires of their cats yet..

Any way, I have the same problem. But now I just pull the blinds up about 
a foot or so above the sill so they look out without having to hang from 
the bottom slats.
From: hcrain@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Helen C Crain)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Animal Afterlife (was Bye to MaiTai)
Date: 19 Nov 1992 14:49:39 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Reply-To: hcrain@convex.csd.uwm.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.30
Originator: hcrain@convex.csd.uwm.edu

From article <bette.722140895@wc.novell.com>, by bette@wc.novell.com (Elizabeth Brennan):
> over Brandy's death and tried to comfort him by saying that Brandy was in
> 'dog heaven' now. To which my father angrily replied "Forget it! If she 
> isn't in people heaven, I'm not going."

My mother walked up to the bishop and told *him* that she
wasn't going to heaven if her animals weren't there.  What
could he say????
-- 
Helen C. Crain             hcrain@convex.csd.uwm.edu 
UWMilwaukee Nursing                   Wisconsin, USA
"There is more of good nature than good sense at the
bottom of most marriages"    HD Thoreau
From: jeffp@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke;S10000)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: strange hairless circles on my cats
Keywords: hair loss, circle, shoulder
Date: 18 Nov 92 04:56:25 GMT
Organization: Washington State University

In article <41172@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> palvarez@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Pablo Alvarez-Royo) writes:
>All three of our cats now have strange hairless spots on their shoulders
>/neck area (1 spot per cat). We have no idea what the reason for this
>may be. We first spotted this on Taz many months ago, then saw one on
>Teetee, and have recently found a similar mark on Benzo. 
> They are about the size of a
>nickel, and completely hairless. We also know from following Taz that
>the hair does not seem to grow back. 
>	Does anybody know why this might be? We are starting to      
>get worried and would appreciate any comments.

Sure sounds like ringworm.  Not really a worm, but a fungus.  You should
stop by the vet to be sure.  This sort of thing can also be from demodex.
There are some drug therapies the vet can presribe to help correct either
condition.

---------------------
Jeff Parke <jeffp@vcs10.vetmed.wsu.edu>
also:   jeffp@WSUVM1.bitnet     CIS: 71511,1512    AOL: JeffParke
Washington State University College of Veterinary Medicine class of 1994
Pullman, WA  99164-7012
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: skafte@ee.ualberta.ca (Greg C. Skafte (skip))
Subject: favorite food
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:46:25 GMT

My roomates cat is a cantalope fiend and here is her story

	Banshee's all time favorite food is cantaloup.  We discovered
	this one sad day when we stepped out for a few hours, leaving
	the moon-shaped sections of melon on the table.  We returned 
	home to find, because the pieces were to big for the baby's
	mouth, each section had been thouroughly beaten and scratched
	down to the rind.  To this day, cantaloup excites her more
	than milk, meat, or even live prey.


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whole lot worse then complicated. A complete and utter disaster is the 
simplest thing in the world; it's preventing on that's complex.(janet morris)