From: palane@iastate.edu (Paul A. Lane)
Subject: Re: more exodus bashing; also call for scrimmages
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:27:16 GMT

In <522r030Ub8Ht00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden) writes:

>In article <palane.720988234@pv7412.vincent.iastate.edu> palane@iastate.edu (Paul A. Lane) writes:
>>Then don't attack like an idiot. Ask questions and you might learn something.
>[...]

>>            Unfortunately, some people like yourself seem to believe that to
>>justify their own choices, they have to attack others.

>Glad you're above it.

>>Paul Lane

Who ever said I was above it? I can't really take word one said here seriously.
Sorry if you do. However, I'll respond to low blows, high blows, and amusing
blows. [No sexual references, yet.]

>I've seen very little of iastate while playing, but I have roughly zero
>respect for them.  I don't care if they can fly circles around me, I just
>haven't seen anybody deserving an ounce of respect other than solaris and
>explorer (and you don't see much of them any more).

Who cares if you have respect or not. I occasionally play on rwd4. I've had
good games and bad games. I generally play at levels that would send me to
a captain's rating, but that's about it. By the way, how do you define respect.
Or are you continuously getting info about people. Aahh, Cthluhu, he's from
iastate. Must be an asshole.

>The iastate team is being attacked because, as far as I can tell, nobody likes
>them.  If you want to make lots of angry, defensive posts, that's just fine,
>but don't expect us to say, "gee, he really defended himself well, I guess
>he's an okay guy."  Or, "wow, some graduate we've never heard of was the
>father of something unrelated to the work done on the computers we're using,
>so it must be a great institution today."

No. I've sent out a fair amount of email and gotten generally decent reponses
back. (Yes, including Felix. Sorry for blowing your rep. :) ) People are bait-
ing players here for the fun of it. When someone seriously takes netrek play
as representative of the quality of the institution (as you seem to do), I
have to wonder about them.

Iastate picked up a bad rep. This has nothing to do with me. I picked up the
game last summer when a friend showed me how to play it. Exodus wanted to get
together a team to show everyone that iastate players can play good netrek.
He may be rather defensive about criticism, but given expectations, they've
made one hell of a showing. Not that this would change your mind.

>You may (where "you" == iastate folks):

>(a) continue to counter-flame, double space, and stay utterly on the defensive

I prefer to ridicule. It's fun and both sides can enjoy it. See my recent 
responses to the Hell's Bagels tirade.

>(b) go on the offsensive and actively try to convince those who merely dislike
>    you that you should be despised, or

Why bother? The game is fun. I think people whining about iastate (who take it
seriously) are clueless in the broader sense of the world. I've noticed CMU
players get defensive when CMU's exalted status is criticized.

>(c) stick to the facts and do something to convince us that iastate isn't the
>    nation's most expensive high school.

Can't be done. If our football team is THAT bad, the academics must be good. :)
Look, I went to ISU because it has a damn fine condensed matter physics program
In the midwest, I'd objectively rate Illinois as better but that's all.
[No flames folks. This is why I went here. I'm sure your choices are great.]
If you think you can read something into the quality of a school from netrek
play or rgn posts, you're sadly mistaken.

>Look.  I nudge Justin[*], Justin flames me.  If you realize that "Justin" is
>just a reorganization of the pixels in "8-] 8-]", you can sit back and laugh
>at it instead of going ballistic.

I do. I find this funny. If you've been reading my posts, you'd recognize
the humor. My "infamous" counter-post earned me several chuckling pieces
of email (not all from Iowa State).

>Same deal with sunscreamer's posts.  I wish he'd flame ME just so I could
>have something to laugh at (please? please?).  Counter-flaming a post which
>is intended to be humorous doesn't elevate you.

No, but counter-humoring it is fun! Who gives a damn if I'm elevated.

>If you don't care, fine, don't.  Some people just weren't meant to take a
>hint.

I don't care. If the hint (as it seems to be) is to shut up, you're sadly
mistaken. If you think this says something about me, so be it. If you think
this says something about Iowa State, you still have a lot to learn.

>[*] ObJustin

>-- 
>fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
>[ Above opinions are mine, Amdahl has nothing to do with them, etc, etc. ]

See you on the net, andy.

Paul

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