Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 15:10:55 EST
From: Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Do we really need the monarchy?
 <PRBoVB5w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>

In article <PRBoVB5w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
(Dave Shariff Yadallee) says:
>
>WARNING !! NUCLEAR EXCHANGES BETWEEN MONARCHISTS AND REPO RE?PUBLICANS HIGH
>PROBABLE IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS!!!
>
>Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>
>- In article <gPBmVB4w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>,
>yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
>- (Dave Shariff Yadallee) says:
>- >
>- >Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>- >
>- >
>- >  Excuse me, but do you want to end like the USA?  The monarchy is NOT
>- >anachronistic!!  If you ever hear of the Ismailis, they have a monarchy of
>- >its own, nemevolent in nature, philanthropic and very nice people!!
>-
>- Is this the best you can do? We should keep a British Queen as not to be
>- american. Personally, I think official bilingualism does a lot more to
>- distinguish us from the Yanks than paying allegiance to a foreign soverign
>
>  Froeign Sovereign?  I BEG YOUR PARDON.  Since when did Canada's indigenous
>population were made up of white-people?  And on on whose model of government
>has Canada based itself on?  THE BRITISH !!  You seem to ignore the fact that
>Canada's government culture in BASED ON THE BRITISH parliament.  Canada was in
>fact the Loyalist answer to a Nation in North America!! You are forgetting
>what
>is historically and fundamental Canada.

If you're going to defend the monarchy, you should try to use the Queen's
English, I honestly can't understand what you're trying to say. If our
political system were based solely on the British, we wouldn't have a
constitution, a charter of rights or a federal system. There are many
parliamentary democracies (Ireland, Germany, Finland) that function quite well
without monarchs, foreign or domestic.

>-
>-
>-
>- >-
>- >   Easy, there is TOO MUCH power in the hands of the government, but then
>- >again
>- >Conservatives parties have been under the 'guidance' of the USA, hence must
>-
>- How is this relevant to the UK government not consulting the commonwealth?
>
>  Excuse me, but are you aware that Margaret Thatcher, Brian Mulroney and
>other
>Commonwealth Conservative leaders seemed to dance to a pied piper by the name
>of Ronald Reagan?
>
>- >our disasters can be attributed to that! Time and time again, I have
>propose
>- >a
>- >representative government that would be directly responible to God, Queen
>an
>- >country on a VERY LARGE SCALE! It is time to consider who our friends are!!
>-
>- I'm sorry, you aren't answering the question at all, you are responding to
>- an argument which has not only not been made but is completely irrelevent to
>- the issue of commonwealth consultation. Again, if she is OUR Queen as much
>as
>- she is Britain's, why do Canadians have no say on the succession?
>
>  Try this one.  the reason the British Empire fell was that only England,
>Scotalnd, Wales and Ireland, when it was part of GB, were the only ones
>represented in Parliament.  No Canadian, Australian, India, Zealander sat in
>Westminister, which I take issue with!!
>  In case you missed it, Canadians, Australians, anybody who has Her Majesty
>as Head of State, IS consulted! That was definitely the case 56 years age when
>Edward 8th abdicated the throne.  IT depends on whether or not Parliament OR

but not the case last week, there is no evidence that there was any consultatio

>he Privy Council addreses it and if the media CARES to report this!!
>
>Andy, I suggest you go back and re-read what is Canada, or even British north
>America before posting again!!

I suggest you learn the Queen's English so you can discuss this coherently.
As a politics major, I am well aware of the structures involved.

>
>Rosemary Waigh, I said God, Queen and country, NOT JUST God and Queen!! you
>can
>not seperate 2 from the 3rd element.  In other words, these are mutually
>INCLUSIVE!
>
>- >
>- >REMOVE REPUBLICANISM FULLY !!
>- >
>- >Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
>- > (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
>- >God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
>- >Happy Christmas and Merry New Year to One and All - John Lennon
>
>  That still stands.
>
>Addressing the issue of Henry 8.  He as founder of the Church of england did
>permit divorce.  Even there, I do believe that a divorce king should not be at
>issue.
>
>Addressing furthur the issue of Edward 8.  It was KNOWN in circle that none of
>the British upper echelon would want him as king!  German sympathizer the
>politicos said, unreligious the CofE said, hence he WAS secretly put away as
>cleanly as possible.
>
>Au Quebecois, la REine Elisabeth II peut parler bien le francais.  On l'a vu
>pendant la fete du Canada.
>
>Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
> (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
>God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
>Happy Christmas and Merry New Year to One and All - John Lennon
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