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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: 3 to 4 watches (was Re: CoC II - What was left out? <Spoilers>)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 23:31:19 GMT
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In <1hl2qdINNeh3@tamsun.tamu.edu> rlm7638@tamsun.tamu.edu (Ross Mckinney) writes:

>     It seems that Jellico gave his new first officer (new to him, that is)
>a silly job, and everybody twitches. Did these same people twitch when
>Picard gave this same first officer (then new to him) the silly job of
>docking the saucer section _manually_???? Suppose Riker had decided to go
>ahead and let the computer do it, thinking it wasn't feasible to do it
>manually. 

Then, I think Picard's reaction should have been, "Well done, Number One.
It isn't possible for anyone to accomplish this sort of operation
manually, with the possible exception of Commander Data." :-)



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From: emmanuel@well.sf.ca.us (Emmanuel Goldstein)
Subject: Re: DS9 Preview Film
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:08:58 GMT

Now that I know there's a 56 minute film, is there anyone out
there who would be willing to make me a copy?

Just state your terms.

emmanuel@well.sf.ca.us

From: Rick.Zeman@p943.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Zeman)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
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Subject: Female CO for the E
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 02:38:16 -0500

On 12/25/92, Michael Rawdon was heard to say regarding "Female CO for the E:" 

  
  MR> If Star Trek gets to the point where it is driven by the need to "set
  MR> examples", I probably *will* stop watching.  REAL LIFE leaders are the
  MR> ones we need to set examples.  This is fiction.
  MR> 
      Then what do you think about many of the themes pertinent to today's 
society that runs through TNG?  Such as:

Angel One:  Women's rights
Half a Life:  Ageism
The Outcast:  Homophobia

      Those are just a blatant couple off the top of my head--there are more,
no doubt.  Guess you won't be catching TNG any more....

  MR> -- Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu University of
  MR> Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI ( Now in the
  MR> Boston, Massachusetts area! )
  MR>
From: CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP000)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Minorities on ST:TNG
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:39:40 GMT
Organization: McGill University

>
>>dcbii@rob.raleigh.ibm.com () writes:
>>>I have a feeling some of you wouldn't be satisfied unless the show had a
>>>minority dominated universe, or some such.
>>
Given that, worldwide, white people are currently a minority group, a
minority dominated universe is *exactly* what ST:TNG portreys.

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From: dunae@mala.bc.ca
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Subject: CoC Book or Sh
Date: 28 Dec 92 12:26:09 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

	I colect ST: TNG books and really enjoy them.  I have
a book called CHAINS OF COMMAND, with a totally different
story.   CHAINS OF COMMAND (the book) stars an old baldy
in a white robe. I thought that they might just make
up new stories for their books, but I have one called
RELICS (Scotty returns!), which is also a two part
episode\book.   HELP!

	Alex-- 

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From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Saturday Night Review - "Chain of Command Part II" SPOILERS!
Date: 30 Dec 92 11:09:25 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <1992Dec29.142805.11726@watson.ibm.com>, trogers@watson.ibm.com writes:
> In <1992Dec26.200351.520@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>>And now, not at all live, from Ellsworth and River Falls, Wisconsin,
>>it's the Saturday Night Review!!!
> 
> Nice review - NOT.  I ask, what do you want every week? - A Best of Both Worlds
> part I filled with new nifty, sci-fi, techno-crap and babble? 

I want a story to live up to its potential.  This didn't.
Torture is too juicy a topic to be treated with simple twentieth century
methods.  What should have been done is what we did see PLUS a lot of
extra methods that could only arise from scientific advancements.  
More drugs, more brainwashing techniques, more intelligent methods of
torture than what we saw here.  What we saw was torture by today's
standards.  If we're in the 24th century, I want to see it by 24th
century standards.  Is that such a terrible thing to ask of "Star Trek:
The Next Generation?"
I can understand why so many people, including you, did like the episode,
the reason being that even 20th century torture methods are something
very unknown to the American audience.  Were this show set in the here and
now, I would be joining you in its praise, but it wasn't, and thus I
expect more from it.


 I found
> CoC1&2 very entertaining.  The two main conflicts were well written and
> very thought provoking.  Shoot-em up episodes filled with techno-dweeb
> stuff just for the sake of it get real old, real quick. 

Agreed.  What on or off Earth (like your mind) made you think I enjoy
mindless violence episodes on a regular basis?

 I enjoy such things
> just as much as the next guy, but every once in a while STNG needs an episode
> that deals with humanity, and real human issues.
> 

Agreed again, but for me, they need to have a "Trek" spin to them in 
addition to the issue presented.  There was no spin on this.

> As far as two-part episodes go, I place this one after BoBW and Redemption,
> but well ahead of Unification and Time's Arrow.
> 
It was better than Arrow, but that's the only two-parter it beat in my book.


> I look at your posts to be the defacto review for the episodes.  Please
> try to collect a more broad-minded reviewing panel in the future.

Panel?  I simply have to quote Princess Leia here: "I AM NOT A COMMITTEE!"
> 
> Regards,
> Tom Rogers
> roy@trigger.watson.ibm.com
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Steven.K.Manfred
From: det@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: chain of command
Date: 24 Dec 1992 01:46:02 GMT
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In article <1992Dec23.3208.18066@dosgate> "phred werenich" <phred.werenich@canrem.com> writes:
>Big question now.  The 500 Meter drop.  Remember Picard said they would
>have to repel down?  I thought repel meant use an anti-grav or some such
>thing.  Wrong.  Repel meant use rope.  No big deal right?  I mean, rope
The term was "rappel".  Rappelling is a technique for descending a cliff
face rapidly (but not *too* rapidly! ;-) using a rope passed under one
thigh, across the body, and over the opposite shoulder.

500 meters does sound like a lot of rope.  I wonder if he could have meant
a descent *to* 500M.  Either that or only 20-30M was sheer enough to
require a rope, and they didn't show us all the boring "easy" climbing.
Oh, well...
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From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Saturday Night Review - "Chain of Command Part II" SPOILERS!
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:32:28 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL


According to ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu:
>In article <BH8iwB2w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>, dascoser@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (david serchay) writes:
>> Ever read 1984? 2+2=5. If you can someone to say that he sees something 
>> he doesn't then you have him.
>
>Yes, I know that.  That's why I say it was so obvious and pointless...

Obvious?  Yes.  Pointless?  No.  There is nothing new under the sun;
the primary value of a drama is its method of presentation.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
  "you make me want to break the laws of time and space / you make me
   want to eat pork / you make me want to staple bagels to my face /
   and remove them with a pitchfork" -- Weird Al Yankovic, "You Make Me"
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From: trogers@watson.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Picards french lines
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:17:54 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
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In <1hplulINN9bo@rave.larc.nasa.gov> avik@icase.edu (Avik Banerjee) writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.125620.1163@mala.bc.ca>, dunae@mala.bc.ca writes:
>>In article <1hnaruINN1he@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, avik@icase.edu (Avik Banerjee) writes:
>>> so what does it mean?? (for those of us who dont speak french).
>>> 
>>>> Sur la Mon D'Avignon
>>>> Sur la pont, d'Avignon (On the bridge of Avignon
>>   Oni(?) Danson(?)  .... (this is all Picard gets out...)
>>>> On danse ( We are dansing)
>>>> Oni(?) Danson(?)
>>>> On dansent ( We are Dansing)
>>   Sur la Mon D'Avignon
>>>> Oni Danson Tu ta round. (Pardon my french... :-)
>>>   On dansent, tu la ronde ( We are dansing, all around)
>
>
>now why do i doubt that picard would scream lines from a song
>about dancing to a man who had been torturing(sp) him? i think
>t. lynch's synopsis had him screaming something about your still
>a little boy 6yrs old, or something to that effect. that makes more
>sense than a childs song (all responces have stated to some effect that
>they were taught the song in their early school years). 
>
>foomshanka
>
>
>avik@icase.icase.edu

I thought I heard:

"You are six years old"
"You cannot hurt me"
mumble, mumble

Regards,
Tom Rogers
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From: mcelroy@bu.edu (Carl Mackin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Imzadi
Date: 22 Dec 92 16:10:00 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

SPOILER






















I would like to ask :
If Troi is changed by the Romulans,  is this a permanent change, and if so,
How does this fit in with "IMZADI" ... (last ch.  "Welcome home, Imzadi.")?
From: scott@kronos.com (Scott Riegelhaupt-Herzig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Picards french lines
Date: 28 Dec 92 20:49:22 GMT
Organization: Kronos Inc. / Waltham, MA
Disclaimer: This posting is a personal opinion and not that of Kronos Inc.

In article <1hnaruINN1he@rave.larc.nasa.gov> avik@icase.edu (Avik Banerjee) writes:
>so what does it mean?? (for those of us who dont speak french).
>
>> Sur la Mon D'Avignon
>> Oni(?) Danson(?)  .... (this is all Picard gets out...)
>>
>> Oni(?) Danson(?)
>> Sur la Mon D'Avignon
>> Oni Danson Tu ta round. (Pardon my french... :-)
>
>
>
My French is a bit weak these days but I believe that it's:
Sur le ponts d'Avignon
On le dancer, on le dancer

(On the bridges of Avignon, we dance (or one dances) ).

                                        <S>

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From: hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (System Janitor)
Subject: Re: Ah HA! (Or why do federation phasers always hit their target)
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:45:32 GMT

jblackwo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (J P Blackwood) writes:

>Wouldn't you think that a phaser could shine a nice bright red dot on its
>target? Who could miss? (don't give me any of this moving target . phaser beams
>go at light speed and a finger can move a millimeter faster than any target
>I've seen can dodge.)

Heck, if phasers were real, the problem would be hitting *only* what you 
wanted to. A broad sweep of your arm and everything in a 180 degree arc
in front of you would be cut in two.

-Mike
From: det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Troi is capable of wearing a uniform (SPOILERS)
Date: 22 Dec 1992 12:55:28 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
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In article <cboerm48.724977793@ursa> cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma) writes:
>But why's she on the Bridge then? I'm sure schoolteachers and chaplains
>aren't allowed in the Command Center. And it's her rank a little high for
>non-military officer? (I'm just guessing with the last one so, I might
>be wrong)

The mental state of the bridge officers is something that should be
monitored.  Her input has also proven valuable in evaluating the motives
of outsiders who contact the ship.

As for her rank, it seems a bit *low*, considering she can unilaterally
relieve the Captain of command without consulting first with any other
officer if she determines he is mentally unfit for duty.

I believe that the position of ship's counsellor was created after
realizing that many ships were lost because of stress-induced psychoses
and mental takeovers.  Not all CMO's had as strong a background in
psychology/psychiatry as Dr. Leonard McCoy; furthermore, a CMO would
be less likely to be available on the bridge during a crisis, so a
dedicated position was needed.  One would hope that the ship's
counsellor would find little to do on the bridge, but when he or
she is needed, he or she is critical to the survival of all aboard.

**flame on**

BTW, not that it applies to this particular posting, but there's
too much adolescent Troi-bashing centered around her physical
attributes.  If you have an issue about her competence, fine, that
makes for lively discussion.  If all you have to say concerns
how she fills out her clothing, please save the bandwidth.  It has
already been said, it's boring, and it's petty.  Such immature,
knee-jerk comments reflect poorly on the individuals who posts and
sound like the babblings of teenagers who have just discovered sex
and can hardly wait to try it.

**flame off**


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From: broehl@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (Bernie Roehl)
Subject: Re: Transporting thru shields?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 13:18:21 GMT

In article <2121.2b461aad@mbcl.rutgers.edu> wilson@mbcl.rutgers.edu writes:
>	It has been my impression that transporters cannor be
>utilized thru shieds.  
>The ship Geordi and Scottie are on 
>clearly has the shields up - but are transported off the 
>Gelico.  But I remember that shields were lowered to
>transport the admiral-spy to a Romulan vessel

It may have to do with the direction they're being transported.


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From: fils@iastate.edu (Douglas R Fils)
Subject: ds9 downlink (when and where PLEASE)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:53:20 GMT

rec.arts.startrek.current,

	I am going home this evening and would love to see the
DS9 downlink via satellite when I am home.  Could someone please 
PLEASE send me the when and where of the DS9 downlink to my private email 
or to this group sometime today

Thanks
Doug

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From: kak1@birch02.cray.com (Kevin Kramer)
Subject: Re: when will DS9 be on in MN?
Originator: kak1@birch02
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 28 Dec 92 10:26:23 CST


In article <1hjoa3INN6lo@ub.d.umn.edu>, cbusch@ub.d.umn.edu (Chris) writes:
> 
>    Hello, when and what channel will Deep Space 9 be broadcast
> out of the Twin Cities and when/where out of Duluth (both in Minnesota)?
> Please email me directly, so not to bother non-Minnesotans.
> --

It will be on KMSP (channel 9), but I am not sure of an air date.  Anyone
out there with a TV guide?
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From: 2020211@SAPHIR.ULAVAL.CA (Sylvain Chamberland)
Subject: Re: Picard's garbled dialogue (was Re: Lynch's Review of CoC2)
Reply-To: 2020211@SAPHIR.ULAVAL.CA
Organization: CTI, Universite Laval
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 08:02:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec27.201210.21153@freenet.carleton.ca>, aa317@Freenet.carleton.ca (Mike Porter) writes:
>>>	Sur la pont
>>>	D'Avignon
>>>	Loni danse, loni danse
>>
>>        L'on y danse, l'on y danse
>
>Close... it's "on y danse, on y danse"--no  l's.  (Now its my turn to get
>corrected!)

Well, what poor French-speaking I am!

Of course, now that I think of it, you are right...

(Well, put my mistakes on the fact that I just spent 1 year in an English-
only environment... right now I'm so mixed up I almost only think in English...
I have to translate what I have to say in French from English!!!  :(   ) 

>-- 
>Cheers, Mike

Sylvain Chamberland
2020211@saphir.ulaval.ca
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From: gtapolow@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Tapolow)
Subject: Re: The Official Dorm-Rec Review of "Chain of Command -1" (spoilers)
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 12:21:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.182100.28418@mksol.dseg.ti.com> rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com writes:
>In article <57392@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, southpaw@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Don Agneta) writes:
>|> Spoiler Ahead
>|> 
>|> 
>|> 
>|> 
>|> 
>|> 
>|> 
>|> 
>|> 
>|> 
>|> 
>|> 
>|> 
>|> 
>|> 
>|> 
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>|> 
>|> 
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>|> 
And a..
^L
for fun
>
>Still, I kinda liked hearing "Get it done" rather than "Make it so"!  And
>then there's Mr. "Yes Man" Data, what a wimp!

Regardless of whether Jelico is in with the Cards. or not, it is obvious
that geting Riker out of the way and having things done his way is his
primary concern.

You cannot fault the character of Data. He is not 'brown-nosing'. To
pardon sounding emotionless myself, Data would need a want of power to do
such. He is merely following orders as per his own programming. He is
unaware both of how Jelico is utilizing him as a tool to undermine Riker's
position as well as how the crew is reacting to his emotionless adaption
to the new Captain.

Jelico is well within his power base to further add fuel to the fire ny
both demoting Riker a grade and simultaneously promoting Data one grade to
first officer. (Data a red shirt, yeach ;(  )

Note, I'm not saying in the least that I agree or like or support this
idea in the least. I'm merely pointing out that Data is being used.

Greg
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From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss)
Subject: S.O.S.: Chain of Command, Part II (1)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 04:48:03 GMT


At the risk of offending those readers who do not celebrate the same
holidays as I do, MERRY CHRISTMAS!  I hope the holidays have been as
good to you as they have to me.  It seems many people have been
spending their vacations away from Usenet, because the response this
week is slightly lower than usual.  But I expected that.

Anyway, amid the opening of a great many presents (some Star Trek
related, some computer related, and a few complete surprises :-) here
are the numbers for this week.  Looks like another winner to me!

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
  Paul Michals        7.0 / 10.0      7.0         * * * * * * * 
  Brad Barton         8.0 / 10.0      8.0         * * * * * * * * 
  Nora Peal          10.0 / 10.0     10.0         * * * * * * * * * * 
=======================================================================
  Average                             8.3         * * * * * * * * >
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Partial point key:
  [,] 0.1-0.2   [>] 0.3-0.4   [Y] 0.5-0.6   [X] 0.7-0.8   [*] 0.9-1.0 
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Unless you're new to the S.O.S., you can hit `n' now...



WHAT IS IT?
  The S.O.S. (Spoiler-Free Opinion Summary) is a twice-weekly posting
  made by yours truly.  The first posting is made Thursday and is
  intended to give those people who don't see the episode until later
  in the week a hint as to the quality of episode to expect.  The
  second posting is made Sunday and gives the final ratings for the
  entire week as a summary of the opinions of the entire viewing
  constituency (or at least those who participate :-)

HOW DO I JOIN IN?
  Becoming a part of the S.O.S. is simple.  After you've seen the
  episode, send me email at `jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu'.
  Include a simple rating on a numeric scale (no letter grades --
  too much controversy).  Please do NOT include any spoiler
  information.  I usually don't get to see the episodes until 11am
  Sunday, and I like to go in fresh.

This concludes this installment of the S.O.S.  Join us next posting
for more exciting adventures...

Joe
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From: pearl@spectacle.sw.stratus.com (Dan Pearl)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Who is Ronny Cox?
Date: 22 Dec 1992 19:57:47 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: spectacle.sw.stratus.com

For a while, he played the head of St. Eligus Hospital in St. Elsewhere.
He was a bad guy in that one, as well.

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