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From: qzuhair@milton.u.washington.edu (Newton)
Subject: Re: Few days before Martial Law in Pakistan !!!!!
Keywords: Long March
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:27:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.181611.20289@cbnews.cb.att.com> izaz@cbnews.cb.att.com (sheikh.izazul.haque) writes:
>
>Whats all this stuff about Benazir's motives vis a vis the Long March. For
>those in the dark, this is how the game is played. After all, the Government 
>didn't play fair with her. She was thrown out of office by the old Guard and
>the military, her husband has been in Jail for 2 years even though the courts
>keep throwing out the charges, and she herself has many cases against her, and
>her party workers are constantly harassed. And what kind of thinking blames
>the victims for the brutality the government is handing out to the protestors?
>
>So, for those shedding false tears in the name of the people, look again.
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    SIR, YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO ATTACK THE SENSE OF NATIONALISM THAT ONE
PURSUES ON THIS NET. FURTHERMORE YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO DETERMINE OR JUDGE OR 
DOUBT THE SENSE OF PATROISM(SP) THAT AN INDIVIDUAL PURSUES. IF YOU CAN SHED
FALSE TEARS, DO NOT THINK THAT EVERYONE FOLLOWS YOU. 

   COMING TO THE POINT, WHATEVER BENAZIR HAS FACED SO FAR AND WHATEVER ARE THE
CONDITIONS FOR HER, THIS DOES NOT JUSTIFY WHAT SHE IS DOING. SHE
IS INVOLVING THE WHOLE NATION TO CURE HER PERSONAL PROBLEMS. OFCOURSE SHE HAS
THE RIGHT TO CURE HER PROBLEMS OR TO SAY SOMETHING AGAINST PRESENT GOVERNMENT
BUT THROUGH APPROPRIATE CHANNELS THAT WOULD WORK IF HER MOTIVES ARE ACCEPTABLE
BY THE PEOPLE. MOREOVER, I THINK THAT NO ONE ON THIS NET FAVOURED NAWAZ SHARIF
BUT, IN FACT, BLAMED BENAZIR FOR HER ACTIVITIES. 


 >                      izaz ul haque


   Regards,
Newton..
              "FOR EVERY ACTION, THERE IS AN EQUAL AN OPPSOSITE REACTION"
From: silatman@hls.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Attaching Ego to False Status
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:52:53 GMT


       Some people attach a lot of egotistic importance to
obtaining degrees from universities, specially professional
degrees from US institutions. To them I would advise, 
do not attach ego to false status.

       That is not to say that I am telling them to quit.
They should only realize that by their going to school they
are doing it for earning a livelihood, and hopefully
for teaching others. But they must be realistic about
the endeavor. Consider this:

       1. The college education offered today fits
          mainly a corporate environment, outside of which
          it becomes useless most of the time.

       2. Be hardworking but do not lose your health.
          Allah swt has promised everyone their provision,
          which will come to you by different wasilas.

       3. Do not lose faith. Do not abandon Islam.
          Modern college education is based on limited
          material experience. Actual truth about everything
          is based on more logics than those covered in
          courses offered at any university. To uncover
          the ultimate truth, you need the Grace of Allah swt.
          The Holy Quran is the key to all knowledge.
          The Awliya' Ikram would recite one ayat and
          twist all 'scientific logics' around and make
          them set in another way for a time being.

          Those who deny God cannot learn the whole truth.
Even 'modern research' about Islam and God is biased and
is from the point of view of denial, of 'researching' 
something [in their view] that belongs to another era.
Unfortunately, some young people from muslim lands have
become like that too.

          The first step in acquiring true knowledge is
to establish the five prayers and recitation of the Quran,
which are among the Rights of God, which are the most
important, and cannot be canceled out even if you are
the most fair, and the most intelligent computer wizard,
etc. on earth. The Rights of God cannot be denied,
otherwise you are inviting a curse. 

          If you believe in your own schemes, then
God will bring you a lot of schemes, until one scheme
comes out of another, and so on, and until you have
no time to know all schemes, and until the absolute
truth is hidden away, and you work only with partial
truths, thinking in your own mind that you have become
an expert.

                  salam alaikum!

                                Khalid Khan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP)
Subject: Re: For God Sake Stop Ahmediyya Religion War...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: Hydrocarbons....
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:03:00 GMT

In article <1egd39INNia7@coral.bucknell.edu>, zabdi@bucknell.edu (Zakir Abdi) writes...
>	Dear Pakistani brother and (sherfoo's sisters),
> 
>	Please stop that religion war.  We have a lot of other stuff to discuss.
>	For God sake STOP THAT BULLSHIT ON SCP.
> 
>	Khuda Hafiz
> 
>	Zakir Abdi [Freedom of expression...] 
> 
	Oh no please dont stop it let the fun continue...
	

Mirza Ilyas
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: txh@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tariq Hussain)
Subject: Re: " ahmadiyya sect "
             I note the article on the above sect, I just would like to say breifly,
 that, the issue on the recognition of ahmadiyya sect,I belive the case was resolved
 in the early 70's,as the group was defined,not to follow the accord and the bliefs of
 Islam,therefore was identified not as a body of Islam according to my understanding. 
 I feel there is no need to revive this very sensitive issue again.
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:45:41 GMT




Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Sohban Shahid)
Subject: Re: Meaning of this shayary
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 09:24:40 GMT
Reply-To: ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu
Organization: Colorado State U. Civil Engineering

In article <1992Nov17.154514.13014@topaz.ucq.edu.au>, salama@topaz.ucq.edu.au writes:
|> In article <92318.172020U56779@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U56779@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
|> > Can any one tell me what these words mean in this shayari.
|> > It was in KALIA dialogued by Amitabh.
|> > 
|> >        Kya nazaki taklifown mein maza
|> >        jub mout na aaye jawani mein
|> >        kya luft janaja uthne ka
|> >        her kaam pe jub matam na ho
|> > 
|> >    Nazaki = ??
|> >    Luft = ???
|> >    Matam = ????
|> > 
|> >                       Thanks in advance
|> >                                       --Anil.
|> 
|>         So, you had been watching Indian movies instead. Well, here are the
|> meanings.
|> 
|>        Nazaki (actually "nazuki") = slim, delicate, tender, subtle, elegant,
|>                                     genteel. 
|>        Luft (actually "lutf")     = enjoyment, pleasure
|>        Matam                      = mourning, grief
|> 
|>              TERA KYA HOGA KALIA?
|> 
|> 

With due respect to all the shaura's of scp.
I found some errors in the original post and
its subsequent translation. With my limited
knowledge of urdu as being an urdu speaking,
these phrases will go like this:

         Kiya naza ki takleefown main maza
         Jub maout na aai jawani main
         kiya lutf janaza utthnai ka
         har gaam pai jub matum na hou

Naza, instead of nazuki unn laboon ke, means: on the verge of death
lutf, like lutf-e karam, means: joy of something, pleasure and
                                 enjoyment
gaam..not requested, means: path, passage for walking
matum means: giving sacrifice in respect of someone or in the name
             of someone, an act of mourning. 

With apology to Adil najam, guru in this field, the poet is 
trying to say that there would be no joy of death if it comes late,
B'cos,  at young age I have many friends and wellwishers and all of
them are close to me.  They will mourn over my death, if it comes 
now but what would be the pleasure of death if there is no mourning
in every walkway. 

Folks, this is a very difficult task.  It is just an essence of it
and I love to do this thing if it comes in urdu, my mother tongue. 
Corrections are more then welcome.
-- 

*********************************************************************

SOHBAN SHAHID                
Civil Engg. Dept.                (303) 491 7710/8204 (work)
Colorado State University        (303) 224 0397  (home)
Ft. Collins, CO-80523

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From: qzuhair@milton.u.washington.edu (Newton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: God help pakistan
Date: 21 Nov 92 02:15:00 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <gf3JGxy00iV405p1kR@andrew.cmu.edu> Asad Iqbal <ac46+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>Thats all I can say after reading all about the protest march. What is
>bhutto thinking..?
>She is etting unassuming people killed so that she can govern.
>I'm sure she knew that the march would cause unrest and maybe even a lot
>of people hurt. If she really had something for the masses she shouldn't
>have done what she did. Three people died hundereds were hurt. Is this
>what is meant by politics.
>What is she trying to do. She is killing people for the office.
>She should be ashamed of herself.
>She knew that there will be unrest which meant lots of people getting hurt
>but she wasn't at all bothered she went ahead with it.
>If there is an unpatriotic act that is one.
>The government offcourse had to stop it, a large crowd is a potential
>terrorist target.
>First it was karachi and now islamabad where police is being stoned.
>I'm sick and tired of this politics of agitation
>GOD HELP US


             BENAZIR IS A MURDERER, A KILLER WHO HAVE NO INCENTIVES BUT 
TO SNATCH THE GOVERNMENT NO MATTER WHAT COST THE NATION MAY INCURS TO SUSTAIN
HER GREED FOR EMBEZZELMENTS AND CORRUPTION. MAY GOD SAVE US FROM THIS VAMPIRE!

>Asad



....a pakistani...
From: amarmahb@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Amar Mahboob Ali)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: e-mail to lahore
Date: 23 Nov 92 00:19:53 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

imran@panix.com (Imran Anwar) writes:

>In <1992Nov22.4739.22675@dosgate> "haroon bashir" <haroon.bashir@canrem.com> writes:


>I hope this helps you in your decisions.  If you want to have our offices
>in pakistan contact someone to explain internet email you can send email to
>usman@imran.ar.pk for people in Lahore or send email to root@khi.imran.ar.pk
>if you want us to contact someone in Karachi.

>Regards

>Imran Anwar

Upon repeated contacts with the above people in Karachi and in Lahore
a friend of mine has been unable to get any information about the
service. This is very frustrating.

I had initially thought that once the bbs gets going in Karachi, it
would be possible to get friends to hook up there. But, alas this is
not the case. The crew in Karachi does not seem to have the required
info, and Lahore has not answered even after repeated queries and phone
calls. My friend does not even have complete information about rates
etc. Tell me how can anyone consider hooking up when he does not even
know how much he will be charged at the end of the month.

And, besides, previous conceptions, like email will be free within
Pakistan are turning out to be, sadly, misconceptions. They are asking
Rs 300 for "fax" access within Pakistan, without any info on how much
volume will be allowed. And there is no mention of international rates
at all.

Come on fellows, this is no way to run a system, when the potential
users are kept in the dark about vital information. No matter how many
cities you expand to, it is no use when the people cant use the
system.

Wassalam

Amar Mahboob
From: x90kamali1@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: ALTAF HUSSEIN GARBAGE CAN!!!!!(REMOVED FROM PAKISTAN)
Date: 16 Nov 92 10:50:06 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Nov15.152544.6363@gw.wmich.edu>, 911masibi@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> hello..muhajirs....
> 
> Well where the hell is Altaf Hussein ...that grabge dump who was spilling
> garbage all over Karachi.....
>  I hope he spilling garbage in England. I thanks to miltary for cleanig
>  this shit from Pakistan. he needs to be hanged..as soon as he lands in
> Karachi...... He is worst enemy of Islam and Pakistan..trying to divide a
> nation into different parts....I believe his destination is HELL FIRE after 
> he dies..unless he asks ALLAH for forgiveness......NAWAZ SHARIFF and MILITARY
> ZINDABAD....for doing the jobs.....JOB WELL DONE......BY THE GOVERRNMENT...
> 
> 
> NARAY HARAM TOOP ALTAF HUSSEIN MURDA BAD.AND HIS TATTAS.......
> NARAY HAQ NAWAZ SHARIFF AND MILITARY...
> 
> PAKISTAN ZINDABAD..........
> 

Don't be stupid, and don't talk garbage.
It's better for you. What ever thought you have in your mind.
Just keep those stupid thought to yourself.

I am not a big fan of politics. But you can pin point one.

You don't know any thing about Pakistan politics.

So please please shut your mouth big time.

This is a sincere advice to you.

If you need discussion, come to my apartment.
I am also in Western.

	--Shakir


Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:03:04 -0500 
From: Asad Iqbal <ac46+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Paki BASTARDS

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.pakistan: 15-Nov-92 Re: Paki BASTARDS
by adil shaikh@cc.uow.edu.a 
> wlnk_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Brian Willnecker) writes:
>  
>  
> >   DEATH           TO               PAKISTAN
> >-- 
> >****************************************************************************
> >* Brian Willnecker                   : "You can blow out a candle,         *
> >* wlnk_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu    :  but you can't blow out a fire"  PG *
> >****************************************************************************
>  
>  
> WELL DESERVED TITLE FOR PAKIS:
>  
> BYE
> ADIL
>
******************************************************************************
> *
> AA DIL SE DIL MILA DE, YEH DIL MAIN KYA HAI BATA DUN
>
******************************************************************************
> *
Now this guy on the other hand needs to be screwed badly
As Yawar put it
Who the f**k do you think you are????
Dumb F**king excuse of a person
Lets do what Naufal Suggested to this idiot
Me
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Sohban Shahid)
Subject: Re: "My" Previous Post
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:08:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Reply-To: ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu
Organization: Colorado State U. Civil Engineering

In article <989981.A900@netman.nms>, rk@nms.hls.com (The Kafir) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov16.113820.6373@gw.wmich.edu> 971kamali@gw.wmich.edu writes:
|>   ...
|>   >> May be some body kick your bud very hard.
|>   >> 
|>   >> --SHAKIR
|>   ...
|>   >Some body told me, he may be using Signature file, But I don't think so that
|>   >this guy was using a signature file.
|> 
|> How do you know he was not using a ~/.signature ?
|> 
|>    "But I don't think so that this guy was using a signature file." 
|> 
|> Just what basis do you have for saying this ? Is it written in Qur'an ?
|> 
|> And how does one kick someone's "bud" ?
|> 
|> ---
|> S Ramakrishnan

Don't get mad on this fella, he is still learning. Whats a big deal
in it if he doesn't know about .signature.  Yeah, brush him hard for
kicking some1's buds or buns of steel.
-- 
*********************************************************************

SOHBAN SHAHID                
Civil Engg. Dept.                (303) 491 7710/8204 (work)
Colorado State University        (303) 224 0397  (home)
Ft. Collins, CO-80523

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Sohban Shahid)
Subject: Actual wordings of an Oath
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 01:17:08 GMT
Reply-To: ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu
Organization: Colorado State U. Civil Engineering

Can anyone please tell me the wordings of oath, which prime 
minister and president of Pakistan have to take before taking 
charge of their respective offices?

It is very important and I will appreciate your help.

-- 
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SOHBAN SHAHID                
Civil Engg. Dept.                (303) 491 7710/8204 (work)
Colorado State University        (303) 224 0397  (home)
Ft. Collins, CO-80523

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Sohban Shahid)
Subject: TYPO, BRIAN 
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:54:02 GMT
Reply-To: ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu
Organization: Colorado State U. Civil Engineering

Brian, 

I'm extremely sorry for the typo I made in my earlier post. 
Please accept my appology for this blunder.  Hope, other 
scpian's will ignore this mistake too. Thanks.

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SOHBAN SHAHID                
Civil Engg. Dept.                (303) 491 7710/8204 (work)
Colorado State University        (303) 224 0397  (home)
Ft. Collins, CO-80523

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From: salama@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Meaning of this shayary
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:45:13 AET
Organization: UCQ

In article <92318.172020U56779@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U56779@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
> Can any one tell me what these words mean in this shayari.
> It was in KALIA dialogued by Amitabh.
> 
>        Kya nazaki taklifown mein maza
>        jub mout na aaye jawani mein
>        kya luft janaja uthne ka
>        her kaam pe jub matam na ho
> 
>    Nazaki = ??
>    Luft = ???
>    Matam = ????
> 
>                       Thanks in advance
>                                       --Anil.

        So, you had been watching Indian movies instead. Well, here are the
meanings.

       Nazaki (actually "nazuki") = slim, delicate, tender, subtle, elegant,
                                    genteel. 
       Luft (actually "lutf")     = enjoyment, pleasure
       Matam                      = mourning, grief

             TERA KYA HOGA KALIA?
From: imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: God help pakistan
Date: 21 Nov 92 17:28:07 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

In article <gf3JGxy00iV405p1kR@andrew.cmu.edu> ac46+@andrew.cmu.edu (Asad Iqbal) writes:
>
>Thats all I can say after reading all about the protest march. What is
>bhutto thinking..?
>She is etting unassuming people killed so that she can govern.
>I'm sure she knew that the march would cause unrest and maybe even a lot
>of people hurt. If she really had something for the masses she shouldn't
>have done what she did. Three people died hundereds were hurt. Is this
>what is meant by politics.
>What is she trying to do. She is killing people for the office.
>She should be ashamed of herself.
>She knew that there will be unrest which meant lots of people getting hurt
>but she wasn't at all bothered she went ahead with it.
>If there is an unpatriotic act that is one.
>The government offcourse had to stop it, a large crowd is a potential
>terrorist target.
>First it was karachi and now islamabad where police is being stoned.
>I'm sick and tired of this politics of agitation
>GOD HELP US
>Asad

 benazir has been the cause of shame for Pakistan. 
If this woman wants to bring down the government why she doesnot 
go to the assembly and presents vote of no confidence ? She has 
been claiming the champion of democracry . Is this democracy ?
I think it is a time for pakistani people to think about this
plunder pakistan party (PPP) and get rid of these bullshit poloticians.
It seems that her aim is to see martial law again in the country.
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
Subject: Re: Latest news on the March.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 00:45:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.185001.6455@gw.wmich.edu> x90kamali1@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.200538.21330@sol.UVic.CA>, ahussain@engr.UVic.CA (Amyn  Hussain) writes:
>> In article 10302@galileo.cc.rochester.edu, ousi_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Omer Usmani) writes:
>>>
>>> Benazir has been arrested and the march has been stopped. Hundreds of
>>>police made roadblocks and stopped all incoming traffic to the Capital.
>>>   Benazir and her entourage when they tried to run one of the blockades 
>>>were attacked and latthi-charged. 
>>>  I saw all of this on the NBC and ABC evening news. They said that many 
>>>western embassies had requested her to stop the march calling it foolish
>>>(this is an internal Paki matter what right have those idiots to interfere.)
>>>  Anyway the lathi-charge was quite bad from what I saw, Benazir had her 
>>>dupatta pulled off and then arrested. This is after she got into her 
>>>Land Cruiser and (I assume) was trying to leave. The police promptly pulled
>>>her out and arrested her.
>>>  Personally I'm not her fan but really Nawaz should have shown more decency
>>>and sensitivity especially as she was a woman.
>>>
>>>   THATS ALL FOLKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>Omer.........
>> 
>> 
>> I agree that Nawaz should not have done that and I am not a fan of
>> Nawaz either, but frankly speaking, it looks like the country is 
>> running better in the hands of Nawaz in comparison to what Benazir did.
>> Other than that I am sure that Nawaz had no idea that the police is going
>> to pull Benazir out of her Jeep otherwise he would have told the police to
>> leave her dupatta on her head and kindly requested to get herself arrested.
>> NOT.
>> 
>> 
>
>It's obvious that army will be back in less than one year.
>But I don't know, wheather that will be better for the country 
>or not. Any comment on the current Pakistan situation.
>
>
>	--Shakir
>
>
>
>
When has the army been any good for pakistan. The army blames the politicians
but have been in power longer.  Pakistan needs democracy, democracy for the
next couple of elections atleast.

sahibzada rafay khan 


























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