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From: trimble@ph-meter.beckman.uiuc.edu (Chris Trimble)
Subject: Re: Troubles with a MacSE
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:10:50 GMT

daoffer@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Debora Offer) writes:

>What I do is power up the external drive first,wait for all the noise to settle
>down, then boot the Mac.  Another option might be to take the System off of the
>internal drive.  (Of course, then you can't boot without the external drive or
>a floppy.  :-))

 Well, you could always take the floppy out of the drive :)

 But seriously, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think if you set the external
 SCSI drive's SCSI ID to 2, the Mac will wait for 20 seconds before trying to
 boot any further. Apple did this so you can hook the SCSI LaserWriters up to
 your Mac. Try it out. If it doesn't work, try what Debora Offer(s) [:-)] and
 that is to turn on the external drive, then the Macintosh.

  - Chris

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: jmckee@world.std.com (Jim McKee)
Subject: Re: Mail order Macs (Mac&More) comments?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 08:46:58 GMT

Eric ...
  I bought my ci from Mac & More a year ago without any hitches. They
said it was in stock, it would ship the next day, and I had it on my
desk two days after I placed the order.
  The caveat in buying from mail-order places is to be careful ...
if they don't swear on their mother's grave that they have the item
in stock, go somewhere else. Lot's of folks have gotten burned waiting
an eternity for product.
  BTW, every mail-order place I know of is grey market -> i.e., not
"Official Apple Dealership." 

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From: skok@itwds1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Holger Skok)
Subject: Re: Lifetime of 25MHz IIsi (was: 25MHz IIsi and my engineering friend)
Organization: Inst. f. Thermodynamik u. Waermetechnik (ITW), U. of Stuttgart, FRG
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:17:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.163015.1763@udel.edu> bower@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Tyson Bower) writes:
>A question which, to the best of my knowledge, no one has addressed yet.
>
>Assuming that running your IIsi CPU harder than it was originally
>designed to go, and this extra power is being consumed, won't this
>decrease the expected lifespan of your machine?
>
>"The candle which burns twice as bright burns half as long."

What holds true for a candle doesn't for a CPU (or any other chip for
that matter -- if you exclude wood chips, of course). 
The only reason for a possibly shortened lifespan of ICs I can think of
in this context is the increased temperature of the CPU due to the
higher power consumption at higher frequency. If you avoid that problem
by adding a heat sink (or - if you're paranoid - an extra fan, taking
care that it doesn't work against the one already installed) you wont
have any problems with the CPU burning itself out.
It's diffusion that kills the CPU. All those nifty PN or other junctions
tend to even out over time. The concentration of the donor and acceptor
alloying (dotation ?) materials is different on the different sides of
the junctions which amounts to a driving potential for diffusion. The
coefficient of molecular diffusion is temperature dependent - it is
higher at higher temperatures. Conclusion: the higher the temperature
the faster all concentration differences in the IC even out, thereby
destroying it.

HSK
-- 
Sie singen das alte Entsagungslied, das Eiapopeia vom Himmel,
womit man beruhigt, wenn es greint, das Volk, den grossen Luemmel.
Ein neues Lied, ein besseres Lied, oh Freunde, will ich Euch dichten,
Wir wollen hier auf Erden schon das Himmelreich errichten.    ... H. Heine
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From: oec@ifi.uio.no (\ystein Christiansen)
Subject: Re: can I put memory in the PB 160 myself?
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:07:04 GMT
Originator: oec@bera.ifi.uio.no


In article <1992Nov20.113331.1992@ifi.uio.no>, oec@ifi.uio.no (\ystein Christiansen) writes:
> 
> You need a TORX 8 driver and maybe a TORX 10 too, which I have seen in a
> catalog from Snap-on. I don't have that catalog by hand, so I can't tell
> you the exact order-number, but you can call them on:
> 
> Telephone: (414) 656-5200
> Fax:       (414) 656-5877
> 
> Their address is:
> Snap-on Tools Corporation
> Kenosha, WI 53141-1410
> 
> Oystein

BTW, they also have the long TORX 15 driver you need to open a Classic,
SE, SE30, Plus and so on.

Oystein.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: cho@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Il Hyung Cho)
Subject: Re: Formatted size of Apple 80MB Drive? (Q)
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: LORAL - Western Development Labs
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:09:24 GMT

In article <bic.722111832@cgl.ucsf.edu>, bic@cgl.ucsf.edu (Bruce Cohen)
wrote:
> 
> 
> 	I just reformatted a vanilla Mac II si 80MB hard drive with the
> disk tools from system 7.1.  The disk shows less than 76MB of formatted
> capacity.  Have I lost disk space or is this normal?
> 

There some invisible files that you are not able to see, several of them
are "DESKTOP" files which keeps info about where your applications are,
icons, comment from the info box etc.  Well all that it taken up.

What I found out is that after one reformats the HD, you can get about 2-4
meg
extra when you choose to repartion the drive.  The HD SETUP has a default
partion setup from Apple.  But you can get more by repartioning it.

You can get more info from a MacUser or MacWord a couple of months
ago...

Il Hyung Cho
Macintosh Systems Support
LORAL - Western Development Labs
Internet:  cho@wdl1.wdl.loral.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: willson@seas.gwu.edu (Stephen R. Willson)
Subject: Mini Din-8 Connectors
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:08:47 GMT

Would someone know where I could order the parts necessary to make a
Mini Din-8 to DB-25 connector?
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From: awolfe@moo.Princeton.EDU (Andrew Wolfe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Do you REALLY need a coprocessor?  was(Duo opinions wanted)
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:16:22 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

Just curious - but what do people do on a powerbook that requires an FP coprocessor?  Model fluid flow around space-shuttle heat tiles??

I assumed that most people use powerbools to write, to draw, and to connect to remote hosts.  None of these are going to be improved by the use of a coprocessor.  Excel is an in-between, but my guess is that most people use simple, non-recursive spreadsheets that perform no more than 1000 calculations at a time.  A coprocessor would only save 10ms or so...

Are there people doing important number crunching on Powerbooks or are people just anal about having a coprocessor to balance their checkbooks?  I am interested in hearing what people use their PB coprocessors for.
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Assistant Professor
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Princeton University
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,misc.forsale.computers.mac
From: menasian@milton.u.washington.edu (Gregor Menasian)
Subject: ----> MAC 512 Motherboard with ROMs, Best Offer <----
Reply-To: menasian@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:54:44 GMT

I have a Mac 512 motherboard that looks fine, but has not been 
tested.  It has all Roms, and I will sell it as is for best 
reasonable offer.

Gregor Menasian (menasian@u.washington.edu or biddle@u.washington.edu)
TESC G-207B
Olympia, WA 98505
206-866-4556
From: carl.pedersen@dartmouth.edu (L. Carl Pedersen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: >Mouse
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:01:06 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: Dartmouth College

In article <1992Nov17.124811.29370@ausom.oz.au>, jam@ausom.oz.au (James
Mitchell) wrote:
> 
> There has apparently been a problem with mouseup events from the Malaysian
> mice getting missed. I have experienced this occasionally and someone has been
> collecting data on this problem.
> -- 
> .

Aha.  This is the "sticky mouse" problem mentioned in my posting.  Any idea
who is collecting this data and whether Apple has responded to these
complaints?
From: rhode@ee.rochester.edu (Robert Rhode)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: How Long are people waiting?
Date: 22 Nov 92 03:44:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

Since I'm responsible for starting this thread, I guess I'll follow up
by telling people my experience:

I have received responses from people quoting anything from "no idea" to
"six to eight weeks" to "December 31" for new Macs.  I have heard that Apple
is having trouble obtaining CD-ROM drives in quantity from Sony, but I
generally discount this, as they seem to be shipping equal numbers of CD and
non-CD IIvx models.

Here's what happened to me:  I ordered a IIvx/CD and 14" monitor on Oct. 21.
They arrived Nov. 19 -- one month minus two days later.  By this time, I had
given up on the IIvx as taking too long and being really more than I could
afford and changed my order to a LCII 4/160.  Which I am still waiting for.
The monitor hasn't come in, either.

Apple, take better care of us students!  We're young; we have the most
computer-buying years ahead of us!  Also, frankly, the longer I wait, the
less expensive computer I'll settle for, and I'll spend the extra $1000 on
Microsoft Word 23.7.w instead of Apple hardware and peripherals.  Take that!

- Bob
From: janolov@cdg.chalmers.se (Jan-Olov Lantto)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Farewell to the Mac? (not flame)
Date: 23 Nov 92 09:32:03 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

Just to set thing right.

Quote from Apple Direct July 1992 concerning PowerPC:

"The PowerPC chips will be the next step in the Macintosh computer s second
decade. For years to come, Macintosh computers will come in two "families"-
Motorola 680x0 -based and PowerPC-based."

Quote from Apple Direct July 1992 concerning emulating 680x0:

"Pagemaker spent 88 percent of its total execution time in the Toolbox,
while the numerically intensive Excel still spends about two-thirds (67
percent) of its time there."

"the top three routines-which account for over half the total time-are
DrawText, EraseRgn, and Line"

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From: GFCARDINALE@poppy.ucdavis.edu (GEOGORY F. CARDINALE)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Internal HD in a Plus?
Date: 16 Nov 92 05:34:40 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

Is it possible to mount an internal HD in a Mac Plus?
Do you need a special hardware mounting bracket?
Do you have to upgrade the PS?
I believe if it is possible, you should also add a fan. (?)

Please respond via e-mail.

Thanks you, in advance.

Greg C.
gfcardinale@ucdavis.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: oec@ifi.uio.no (\ystein Christiansen)
Subject: Re: can I put memory in the PB 160 myself?
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 11:33:31 GMT
Originator: oec@bera.ifi.uio.no


In article <1992Nov19.212515.7267@news.media.mit.edu>, bfbrown@media.mit.edu (Brian F. Brown) writes:
>>  As the title says, I'd like to know if it is possible/hard/easy to put
>>  memory I buy separately in the PB 160. Do I need special tools? I've
>>  put SIMMs in SE's, SE/30's, Classic I/II's, so if you could compare it
>>  to that, that would be perfect.
>>  
>
> Unfortunately, putting in this memory requires a torx driver which
> NO ONE SELLS.  Not radio shack, not computer supply stores, not any
> hardware store I could find.  There is one screw which has a small
> torx head that you need a special tool to get out.  When we asked the
> guy at the MIT computer center if we could borrow his, he quickly said
> No.  This is obviously intentional.  My advice:  Break into a computer
> repair shop and STEAL one of those little fuckers.  then, spec it and
> machine your own, offer it for sale for $10 apiece over this network
> and screw those damn mech e's who changed that screw size to make
> changing your memory a pain in the butt...  Or, drill out that screw
> and simply ignore it.  It doesn't hold anything special on; it is one
> of about five screws that hold the back together.  Your PB will be fine
> without it.
> 
> -BB

You need a TORX 8 driver and maybe a TORX 10 too, which I have seen in a
catalog from Snap-on. I don't have that catalog by hand, so I can't tell
you the exact order-number, but you can call them on:

Telephone: (414) 656-5200
Fax:       (414) 656-5877

Their address is:
Snap-on Tools Corporation
Kenosha, WI 53141-1410

Oystein
From: blalock@hpl-otis.hpl.hp.com (Travis Blalock)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 05:26:14 GMT
Subject: Need IIsi Video Card Info
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware


Hello, I will soon have access to a 1280x1024 72Hz color monitor and need some
recommendations for IIsi PDS (not NuBus) slot video cards to drive this
monitor.  I would appreciate any info and/or actual experiences anyone is
willing to offer.

Thanks,

Travis Blalock
blalock@hpl.hp.com

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: deek@pecan.cns.udel.edu (michael deerkoski)
Subject: Re: Plugging in floppy on PB100 while asleep. Will it do damage?
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:43:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.172321.18750@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> (jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu) writes:
>Does this only apply to external floppies, or can the power supply be (or not
>be) plugged in while asleep?  I left my PB100 on my desk for a few days, and 
>started it up (without plugging it in), and received a low power message,
>that suggested that I put my computer to SLEEP, plug it in to the power cord,
>and awaken it.  I have done so on a few occasions, and not seen any problems.
>Should I desist???

Nope, insert or detach the AC any time you wish!  Well, I would avoid doing
it while submerged under water.  :-)

Seeya,

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: Jamey Maze <jnm@ornl.gov>
Subject: When will the P600's start shipping in quantity?!
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A72D33A437028039@baloo.ctd.ornl.gov>
X-Xxdate: Mon, 16 Nov 92 11: 16:52 GMT
Organization: Oak Ridge National Lab
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:16:56 GMT

I just ordered a Performa 600 at Sears this weekend. Last week, they were
quoting a November 17 delivery date, but Sunday, when I placed the order,
the computer said December 31. Is Apple really that far behind in
production? I can't believe a machine ordered in mider wouldn't be
available by Christmas. Anyone have any info?
From: ostroff@Oswego.EDU (Boyd Ostroff)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Monitors: Sony 1304s vs Mac 14"
Date: 21 Nov 92 00:13:01 GMT
Reply-To: ostroff@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Boyd Ostroff)
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY

In article <1992Nov19.201348.4561@Cadence.COM> lchang@Cadence.COM (Leon Chang) writes:
>How would you rate the
>Sony 1304s with the Mac 14" monitors? Here in the bay area, these monitors
>are selling at equivalent prices. Both are .25dp

According to the "Macintosh Color Display Technical Specifications" published
by Apple, it has a ".26mm stripe pitch".

.............................................................................
....Boyd Ostroff / Technical Director / SUNY Oswego Department of Theatre....
...............Voice: (315) 341-2987 /  Fax: (315) 341-3394..................
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Distribution: world
From: Phil_L._Kim@uu0570.foggybottom.com
Organization: Foggy Bottom / Washington, D.C.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:19:23 EST
Subject: Envisio and Color Pivot??

I recently acquired a Radius Color Pivot and thought I would try to
connect it to my PowerBook 145 via Envisio NDA/030.  I can only seem to
get the display to come up in Apple 15" mode, and the Radius Software
will not load (probably because the Envisio Board appears as "Envisio
Video Extension 030", and not "IIci/IIsi Internal Video").  Neither
device has information about connecting with the other.

Pivoting the display merely makes it hard to read.  :-)

All I really want to do is run the display in Landscape Mode at 72 DPI. 
Radius and Envisio haven't gotten back to me, yet.  Anyone ideas?

-- Phil L. Kim --
[kim_phil@prc.com or Phil_L._Kim@FoggyBottom.Com]
Foggy Bottom - your FirstClass Mac connection in Washington, DC

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: smisra@eos.ncsu.edu (SAURABH MISRA)
Subject: Macintosh II Drive Failure: Please Help
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:32:02 GMT

I have a friend who has a old Macintosh II computer whose drive 
recently failed.  He has tried all those Norton utilites etc, but
he can't even locate the drive on the SCSI bus.  It happened
one night, when while saving a file the disk (it's an internal) made
a clicking noise and the computer crashed.  Upon clicking the restart
on the bomb dialoge, the computer wouldn't boot of the disk, so he 
turned of his Mac using the back switch.  After 25 minutes, he tried
again and it booted up.  But after 5 minutes of working, it failed again
and the computer froze.  

Now he can't bring his drive back up and he really needs to get the 
data on the drive.  The drive is labeled Quantum 280 or something like that

Anyone who knows what the problem might be and can suggest steps, please help.
The drive makes a clicking sound when the computer is turned on but it will
now not boot at all.

thanks for any help
Saurabh


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc
Distribution: world
From: Joe_D._Ciarcia@fourd.com
Organization: 4th Dimension BBS
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:55:13 EST
Subject: Mac ][vx/MIDI

I have really liked the ][vx and I still do, for the money the ][vx is a great
deal but.....  I have been defending the ][vx since the 19th, I even posted a
message as to why the ][vx was a better choice (in my situation) over the ][ci.
Well, I have changed my order to a ][ci (it's too bad, I was really looking
forward to the photo CD compatibility and the improved graphics).  Here is a
very brief description of why.  I am a musician and Iuse my Mac primarily for
MIDI applications.  I have recently discovered that the ][vx has problems with
the serial ports and MIDI.  A computer that has problems with MIDI for my
needs is useless.  You would think that Apple would have paid more attention
to the use of MIDI on the ][vx considering it is the new "Multimedia
Macintosh".  Apple .... you goofed.  I understand there will be fixes for the
problem but no time frame has been given.  I will post my findings once I am
through gathering infomation on the subject for those who are interested. Stay
tuned,  Joe Ciarcia
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From: hongyu@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Henry)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,pa.forsale,wi.forsale,ny.forsale,nj.forsale
Subject: 14" color monitor for Mac for sale
Keywords: 6 months old Mac monitor for sale
Date: 17 Nov 92 05:58:17 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Hi, I have a 14" GoldStar color monitor super VGA for sale.
This one is 6 months old which is compatible with LC, LCII, IIci,IIsi.
It's resolution is 800* 600, 
It comes with atitl/swivel. Very true colors.
I want to offer it around $340. If you have any question, please feel free to contact me.
Please email to     chiu@mbcl.rutgers.edu

This is post for a friend
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From: potts@oit.itd.umich.edu (Paul Potts)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: Re: Communication ports and Seagate...
Date: 17 Nov 1992 18:54:27 GMT
Organization: Instructional Technology Laboratory, University of Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: helen.oit.itd.umich.edu

In article <Bxpq1K.4BB@world.std.com> siegel@world.std.com (Rich Siegel) writes:
>In article <1992Nov14.043712.3645@cc.umontreal.ca> soubyran@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Soubyran Richard) writes:
>
>>time...). When I remove the internal hd and hook the ST1280N in
>>lieu of the one inside, the damned thing won't even start... The
>>engine won't even spin! Cables are securely at their place. Cables
>>are OK. (Remember: It works with the 2 other drives). the ST1280N
>>is an SCSI drive. (Seagate's notation "N" means SCSI drive). My
>>SCSI bus works fine! (Remember: It works with the 2 other drives).
>>I'll try to describe what happenes when I turn the power on.

Rich is probably right, but another thing to consider is that SCSI 
standard in the PC world generally isn't. Here at U-M we've had real
problems using standard SCSI devices with some of our PC SCSI cards.
PC Magazine had a discussion of this in an article a couple of months
ago, "Building the Perfect PC." (An oxymoron?) I would contact Seagate
and find out if the drive has been tested with the Mac.

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