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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 00:13:29 -0400
From:         gaynet@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 265

In this issue:
                      gender and domestic violence
                      when is nyc gay pride march
                         Duke U. Awareness Week
                           Letter I received
                    YAAW: Yet Another Awareness Week
                  Ron Buckmire's query about Jeans Day
              Non-discrimination Policy and Blue Jeans Day
                                UVa LGSU
                         Donald Wildmon report
                        The Flirtations- Address

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From: Mathemagician <bevans@carina.unm.edu>
Subject: Re:gender and domestic violence
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 17:29:56 MDT

Mr. Nardi writes:

> Brian Evans' assertions that men are victims of domestic violence
> from women at rates similar to women from men, and that it is not due
> primarily to self-defense, need to be refuted before these
> misinterpretations of social science are perpetuated.

I am going to have to control myself from giggling at your refutation
as it is based on conjecture (of my sources), not fact.

> I recommend
> that Evans and others read "The Myth of Sexual Symmetry in Marital
> Violence" by R. Dobash, E. Dobash, M. Wilson, & M. Daly, in SOCIAL
> PROBLEMS, V. 39, N. 1, Feb., 1992. Their argument is that data
> supporting what Evans claims to be true are mostly based on the
> "Confilict Tactics Scales,"

This is not true.  Yes, that study (done twice) is in my list of
references, but the argument is hardly "mostly based" on those
studies.

Here is a partial list of references (and notice, Wilson, M. and Daly,
M. are listed in *my* references showing that even people who may not
understand what they're saying can have a good point):

        Curtis, L.A. Criminal violence:  National patterns and behavior
    Lexington Books, Lexington MA, 1974

        Daly, M. & Wilson, M. "Parent-Offspring Homicides in Canada,
    1974-1983" Science v. 242, pp. 519-524, 1988

        Farrell, Warren _Why Men Are the Way They Are_ McGraw-Hill, New York,
    1986, p. 231

        Garcia, Jane "The Cost of Escaping Domestic Violence" Los Angeles
    Times May 6, 1991

        Gelles, R.J. The violent home:  A study of physical aggression
    between husbands and wives Sage, Beverly Hills CA, 1974

	Langley, Roger & Levy, Richard C. _Wife Beating:  The Silent Crisis_
    Pocket Books, New York 1977

        Marriage and Divorce Today "First Large-Scale Study Reveals Elder
    Abuse is Primarily by Wives Against Husbands" December 15, 1986

	Mercy, J.A. & Saltzman, L.E. "Fatal violence among spouses in the
    United States, 1976-85" American Journal of Public Health 79(5):
    595-9 May 1989

        Nagi, Saad Child Maltreatment in the United States Columbia
    University Press, New York, p. 47, 1977

        Nisonoff, L. & Bitman, I "Spouse Abuse:  Incidence and Relationship
    to Selected Demographic Variables" Victimology 4, 1979, pp. 131-140

        O'Leary, K. Daniel; Arias, Ilena; Rosenbaum, Alan & Barling, Julian
    "Premarital Physical Aggression" State University of New York at Stony
    Brook & Syracuse University

	Rooke, Margaret "Violence in the Home" RadioTimes 16-22 March 1991
    p. 8.

        Saenger, G. "Male and female relation in the American comic strips"
    in The funnies:  An American idiom M. White & R.H. Abel editors, The
    Free Press, Glencoe IL, 1963, p. 219-223

        Sexuality Today Newsletter "Violence in Adolescent Dating
    Relationships Common, New Survey Reveals" December 22, 1986 (reporting
    on a report in Social Work  contact Karen Brockopp) pp 2-3.

        Statistical Abstract of the United States 1987 table 277

        Steinmetz, Suzanne K. The cycle of violence:  Assertive, aggressive
    and abusive family interaction Praeger Press, New York, 1977

        Steinmetz, Suzanne K. "The Battered Husband Syndrome" Victimology
    2, 1977-1978, p. 499

        Steinmetz, Suzanne K. and Lucca, Joseph S. "Husband Battering" in
    Handbook of Family Violence Van Hasselt, Vincent B. et al. editors,
    Plenum Press, New York 1988, p. 233-246

        Strauss, M.A., Gelles, R.J., and Steinmetz, S.K. Behind closed
    doors:  Violence in American families Doubleday, New York, 1980

        Strauss, M.A. & Gelles, R.J. "Societal change and change in family
    violence from 1975 to 1985 as revealed by two national surveys" Journal
    of Marriage and the Family 48, po. 465-479, 1986

        Wilt, G.M. & Bannon, J.D. Violence and the police:  Homicides,
    assaults and disturbances The Police Foundation, Washington DC, 1976

        Wolfgang, M. Patterns in Criminal Homicide Wiley, New York, 1958

> a checklist of self-reported items that is neither reliable nor
> valid;

Explain these comments.  They are neither reliable nor valid without
explanation as they could simply be your opinion of the study since it
doesn't claim what you want it to claim.

> that motives for violence are not
> assessed, thereby ignoring that uses of violence differ greatly
> between husbands and wives;

This is not what I have read in the studies regarding domestic
violence.  One-quarter of domestic violence is wife-on-husband
(assuming a heterosexual model).  Are you implying that these women
are beating their husbands for "good reasons"? or that these husbands
aren't being seriously injured?

> and that homicides in non-US countries is
> not equally committed by husbands and wives, and in the US where
> there is similar proportion of homicides, the patterns are different.

I don't live outside the US.  Too, you *will* find that abuse
statistics for non-US countries are similar to the US statistics.
However, these countries are Western European in nature (such as
Sweden) and is not surprising considering the similarities in Western
European and American cultures (but, the fact that they are not the
same culture means that homicide rates are not the same is also not
surprising.)  I would be surprised to find that husbands in a country
where Islamic fundamentalism were prevalent were abused by their wives
as often as they are here.

Too, when the two parties are beating each other (as happens in
one-half of the domestic violence cases), it is often impossible to
determine "who started it."

> The authors claim that "men often kill wives after lengthy periods of
> prolonged physical violence....men perpetrate familicidal
> massacres....men commonly hunt down and kill wives who have left
> them....men kill in response to revelations of wifely infidelity..."
> -- and wives rarely kill for these reasons or in these ways.

I find this comment surprising considering the fact that mothers are
more likely to abuse their children than fathers and the numerous
cases of husband abuse that show just the things the authors claim
rarely happen (hunting down, lengthy periods of prolonged physical
violence, etc.)  In fact, the studies I have seen have shown that
women are more likely to use serious violence and are more likely to
continue using violence in a relationship than men are.

Again, one-quarter of domestic violence situations are
wife-on-husband, one-quarter are husband-on-wife, and the other half
are the two beating each other.

> Furthermore, they claim "The evidence is overwhelming that a large
> proportion of the spouse-killings perpetrated by wives, but almost none
> of those perpetrated by husbands, are acts of self-defense.

What is this evidence?  It does not jibe with established facts.
There was a recent case in California where a man accused of killing
his wife claimed self-defense...only to have the "feminist" community
have kittens.

> Unlike
> men, women kill male partners after years of suffering physical
> violence, after they have exhausted all available sources of
> assistance, when they feel trapped, and because they fear for their
> own lives."

This flies in the face of established facts..."unlike men"?  Men are
more likely to stay in a relationship that is violent and not seek
help because to do so would imply that he isn't a man.

>  Be aware of the debates and be open to various
> interpretations of crime data before spreading information that is
> divisive, inaccurate, and that can have serious policy implications.

Funny...I was going to tell you the same thing.

-
Brian Evans                |     "Bad mood, bad mood...Sure I'm in a bad mood!
bevans@carina.unm.edu      |      I haven't had sex...*EVER!*" -- Virgin Mary

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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:33 CST
From: DAILEYKA@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu
Subject: when is nyc gay pride march

When will the gay pride march take place in new york city?
post directly to me please:

daileyka@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu

andy dailey
vanderbilt

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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 19:39:22 EDT
From: mickey@math.duke.edu (Mickey McDonald)
Subject: Re:  Duke U. Awareness Week

Duke University Gay and Lesbian Association is sponsoring its annual
Awareness Week this coming week.  The scheduled events are listed below:

Monday, April 13
8 PM 	Minnie Bruce Pratt, Poet will be speaking in Von Cannon, Student
        Center.

Tuesday, April 14
7:30 PM	Panel discussion: "Straight Activism on Gay and Lesbian Issues",
	Mary Lou Williams Cultural Center

Thursday, April 16
4:30 - 6:30 PM 	An Open House for Gays, Lesbians, Bisexuals, and Straights.
	Sponsored by the Gay and Bisexual Men's Programming Coordinator
	and the Lesbian and Bisexual Women's Programming Coordinator of Duke
	University.
	Women's Center, 126 Few Fed.

Friday, April 17
TBA	Margaret Cantrell and Greg Scott of Queer Nation National Capital
	will speak followed by a panel discussion on queer activism.  Time
	and place TBA.

Saturday, April 18
10 PM	Harmony Dance co-sponsored by Duke Harmony and DGLA.
	The Coffee House, East Campus.

Also on Wednesday night, ASDU (the student legislature) is supposedly
sponsoring a forum on the ROTC discrimination issue.  Individual members
of DGLA have problems with the ASDU representative in charge of this
panel in terms of her own personal views, and have problems with those who
have been invited to speak on the "con" side.  The time and place of this
panel have not been made available to DGLA yet.

If you have any questions concerning any of the above events, feel free
to write and ask me.

-Mickey McDonald
Duke U., 1991/1992 National Champions!!

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Date: Wed,  8 Apr 92 19:52:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael.Witbrock@cs.cmu.edu
Subject: Re: Letter I received
Distribution: local

> Excerpts from internet.gaynet: 8-Apr-92 Re: Letter I received Ron
> Buckmire@rpi.edu (1174)

> Does anyone read this stuff and what do they think about it? I'm
> thinking of
> cancelling our subscription, but I want to see "what will they think of
> next?"



Christopher Street, which used to be good, has the same case of AIDs
theory induced dementia that the New York Native is suffering from. I
did subscribe to it for a couple of years, under the theory that it
might be good again if only it survives until the demise of its current
publisher.  I still believe that this is the only theory that justifies
a subscription, but can no longer afford such acts of hopeful charity.
Given a choice, I think I'd prefer to help outlook survive (although the
last cover was in worse than questionable taste).

michael;

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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 20:48:22 EDT
From: Procrastinator Model T-800 <psarrisd@willow.ulowell.edu>

Mike Duffy, head of the Massachusetts Commission Against Discrimination (MCAD),
will speak at the University of Mass7Lowell on Tuesday, April 14th.
It will take place at 7:00 p.m. in the South Media Center, Room 222.
He will speak primarily about issues of discrimination against the gay and
lesbian community in the commonwealth.  Michael Duffy is the highest authority
on discrimination issues in Massachusetts.  He is also a founding member of the
Mass. branch of the Log Cabin Club, an organization which supports gay or
pro-gay Republican candidates for public office.

	For more information, contact
		psarrisd@woods.ulowell.edu
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	\    /		    ham... pot pie... chocolate covered raisins...
         \  /		      dog breath... boiled football leather..."  -Ren
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	Damon Psarris			psarrisd@woods.ulowell.edu

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Subject: YAAW: Yet Another Awareness Week
From: rodney@oxy.edu (Rodney J. Hoffman)
Date: 08 Apr 92 17:51:52 PST

Just to let everyone know that Occidental College in Los Angeles is
also in the midst of a BISEXUAL, GAY, & LESBIAN AWARENESS WEEK.
Write me for full details, if you're interested.

Events include Virginia Uribe, founder of Project 10; Jennie Livingston,
director of "Paris Is Burning", Antonia Garcia, Chicana lesbian folksinger;
a dance Friday night; and more!

  -- Rodney Hoffman
     rodney@oxy.edu

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Date: 8 Apr 92 21:42:00 EST
From: "SUPPORTERS AND HOMOSEXUALS ON CAMPUS" <SHOC@bigvax.alfred.edu>
Subject: Ron Buckmire's query about Jeans Day

Ron Buckmire mentioned a "white t-shirt day" and asked how many colleges
were planning to celebrate National Jeans Day.  Alfred University held
Jeans Day on April 7th this year because we brought in historian Jonathan
Ned Katz on that day and we wanted to coordinate the two.  Jeans Day did
not spark as much controversy as it did when we held it on National Coming
Out Day in 1990 (for the first time here).  That first time people wore
shorts to protest it, and it was freezing cold here that day.  Our co-chair
was quoted in the school newspaper as saying something to the effect of
"I like the idea of Jeans Day because it even made the bastards wearing shorts
in 40 degree weather confront their feelings of homophobia.  If not, at
least they froze their prejudiced balls off."  This year, however, it was
a balmy 60 degrees, and since spring lasts about a month, people always take
advantage of the warm weather.  So I'm not sure if this year people were
wearing shorts because it was warm or because they are phobic.

Eileen Gonthier
SHOC Secretary

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Date:    Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:31:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: HARRINGTONL@hartwick.edu
Subject: Non-discrimination Policy and Blue Jeans Day

Since there have been some requests for copies of other colleges non-
discrimination policy, I'm posting it to the entire net.
		Hartwick College does not discriminate on the basis of race,
	color, national or ethnic origin, religion, sex, sexual orientation,
	marital or parental status, age, or handicap in its policies and
	programs of admissions, athletics or other College administered
	activities.

This policy is very inclusive of everything that I can think of.  It does
happen to be placed on the LAST page of the Admissions section at the END
of the catalog.  Although the policy is in effect, the camus itself (in my
belief) intimidates prospectives.  The campus is predominately white, all
physically able (the campus is on a hill with lots of stairs and only one
building with an elevator), predominately young and single, prevailent
homophobia, and several closeted queers.  Even out queers in high school are
closeted on campus.  But the policy is there and the College administrators
have made attempts to back it up, including this new theme of
 multi-culturalism.We have no ROTC programs, but there is atleast one student I
 know of in ROTC.
Attempts have been made to kick recruiters off campus, but the administration
has stated that eventhough the military discriminates, other students should
be allowed the opportunity to join (ya hoo).

Hartwick College is celebrating National Blue Jeans Day this Saturday, April
 11.I believe that's the official date and we didn't bother changing it.  In
addition to wearing blue jeans, we're painting the wall just outside campus.
And hung posters ALL over campus.  Not only will it be National Blue Jeans Day,
but its HArtwick's ADMISSIONS Day!!!  Personally, I shove this in their face.
The college has conveniently left out BI-GALA+'s name from the college club
list in their catalog even after it was placed on the updated list of clubs.
I must admit that I will love to see the Admissions' faces on this day!

Laura Harrington
harringtonl@hartwick.edu

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From: "The Queer Cavalier [K. Ritz]" <klr7a@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU>
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 23:51:19 EDT
Subject: UVa LGSU

I need some help!!

The Lesbian and Gay Student Union at the University of Virginia is
considering a name change to include the word "Bisexual" in its name.  I was
surprised to see some opposition to this move, so now I am asking for anyone
having strong evidence why we should "Put the `B' into `LGSU'" to privately
e-mail me with that evidence.  The problem is that we vote on this tomorrow
night so PLEASE get this to me by 7 pm tomorrow.  Any arguments I may be able
to use in our debate would be greatly appreciated.  advTHANKSance!!

Toodles!

Kevin Ritz, klr7a@virginia.edu
Joy and laughter, love and affection, keep us moving in the right
direction . . .         --The Thompson Twins, _Here's to Future Days_

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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 23:04:31 EST
From: Mike.W.Miller.40@nd.edu
Subject: Donald Wildmon report

Well, the Rev. Donald Wildmon of the American Family Association did indeed
speak at Notre Dame last night.  Special thanks upfront to the eternal GayNet
demiurge (Tim, did you ever decide if that was a compliment? :-) Bryan J.
Blumberg for sending tons of great propaganda from Wildmon.

I found out before the event that Wildmon had asked for extra security for
the event because Queer Nation-Chicago was coming.  Well, since QN-Chicago
hadn't called either myself or Michael Vore to tell us that they were on
their way, we didn't seriously think that was the case.  More likely, Wildmon
has some closet case who gleefully reads GayNet and QN to keep up on us as
we keep up on him.  (Hey Mole, tell the good reverend hi for me.)

On the other hand, GayNet and QN has its sources who receive the AFA's liter-
ature, so I guess fair is fair...

Anyway, the appointed hour arrived and Wildmon began his diatribe to the
audience of about 200 people.  It was odd at first, but then began to make more
sense -- Wildmon wasn't mentioning queer issues AT ALL!  About the same time
I realized that he wasn't saying a single word about lesbian and gay stuff, I
began to recognize his speech from a text that had been posted to GayNet in
the past.  As he finished up his 45 minute talk, I estimated that he had cut
between 1/4 and 1/3 of his speech -- he completely exorcised the sections
that mentioned anything remotely gay.

A very wise tactic on the one hand, removing anything which might trigger a
demonstration or heckling.  On the other hand, he was forced to not use the
material which would be most convincing and horrifying to a laely conserv-
ative audience, like the one which was there.  Overall, I say we won, because
the old man was AFRAID and WE made HIM *change his plans*!

He was actually a very savvy speaker.  He said a ton of things that few could
disagree with:  there is too much drug abuse, too much alcohol abuse, too much
crime.  And he couchs all of it in a statement that we (activists) absolutely
cannot argue with:  the right to try and convince others of your point of
view is undeniably
American.  "As American as ap-pul pahhhh" he drawled at us several times.

Overall, pretty much a non-event.  There was no major protest -- only fliers
distributed which exposed his stupidity -- but we forced him to neutralize
his speech, at least with regard to issues queer.  I'd claim that as a victory!

Peace,
Mike!

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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 00:11 EDT
From: MJONES@drew.drew.edu
Subject: The Flirtations- Address

For the poster who wanted the address of the Flirtations:

(I saw them at NELGBSA and fell in love with both Jimmy and Michael!
*sigh*)

You can reach them through:

			Jon Arterton
			The Flirtations
			75 Bank Street, 6M
			New York, New York 10014
			(212) 727-7328

If you find out how much they charge for a performance, could you let
me know?  We're going to try to get them to come to Drew next
Semester...

Thanks,

Michael

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