HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: peter@pgeck.sub.org (Peter Gahbler)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Update prices in Germany (good news!)
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:12:58 GMT
Organization: Private site

Hi,
first I want to say thank you to all of you offering help in 
getting an update in USA.
Your help has been noticed with pleasure but IMHO it is no longer 
needed because: [good news following]

IBM Germany seems to be woken up. I don't know how, I don't know 
why but suddenly it is possible to get an update from _any_ 
operating system for about 100 $!!! Almost the same price as in 
USA I think. There is still no windows update but I find these 
conditions more than acceptable. So I ordered my GA today :-)) 
updating an old MS-DOS 3.2 (OEM Version by NEC belonging to a 
Multispeed laptop...).

I still can't believe it. It really happened.

Bye
  Peter
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From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: Is a 16MHz 386sx with a 65 Meg HD enough for OS/2 2.0???
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 20:40:30 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

dans@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel L. Schneider) writes:
: OK, so I'm thinking about getting OS/2 2.0.
: I have a 386sx 16 MHz with 2 Megs ram and a 65 Meg hard drive.
: I know that I'll need more ram, at least 4 Megs total, but how much
: hard disk space will OS/2 2.0 take up?  Certainly not 65 Megs, I hope,
: but I'm worried that OS/2 may be twice the size of Win3 or something.
: 
: How much space will it take?
: 
: Also, is 16 MHz enough?
: 

You got enough hertz but are right that you will need 4Mb min and 6 to
be comfortable.  The returns start diminishing about there I think. 8
is better but not so's you would notice for the most part.

About disk, the whole kit and kaboodle takes 30+Mb but has anyone
determined how much of that you get back by dropping /dos and /windows
on the shredder?

Bob

P.S. You really can't dorp /windows on the shredder because there are
     some configuration files you want to move to /os2/mdos/winos2 aren't
     there?  Anybody have an exhausted list. :-) Also a lot of apps just
     leave their stuff in /windows.  Is there a criterion that can be
     applied to determine which files are just windows baggage?  Could
     some kind soul post a list if there is not a means of determining
     it at the machine?

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: bgm@cray.com (Bert Moshier)
Subject: MN OS/2 End-User Group Meeting
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:23:26 CDT



				MN OS/2 End-user Group
				     May Meeting

When:	May 5, 1992 - 19:00 (7PM CDT)

Where:	New IBM Building
	650 Third Avenue South
	Minneapolis, MN   55402

	IBM Customer Center
	Third Floor - Signs will be out showing the way

Agenda:	Business Meeting
	Vendor Presentation:	"Now that I have OS/2, what do I do with it?"
	Member Presentation:	"What we are doing to OS/2 and what it is
				 doing for us."
	Refreshements provided.
	Drawing for a free OS/2 Monthly Magazine subscription!
From: ge8y@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Does GA come with Netware Requester or not?
Date: 8 Apr 92 09:33:19 EST
Distribution: comp
Organization: Cornell University

In article <12030@ns-mx.uiowa.edu>,
jsvec@umaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu (Joe Svec) writes: 
> OK, a recent message said that the Novell Netware requester will cost $200.
> This can't possibly be correct, right.  I've seen two schools of thought on
> this while frantically searching all messages for anything having to do
> with the NW Requester for OS/2 version 2.0:
> 
>    1)  It does come with GA or Netware 3.11 and will either be free or $200
> 
>    2)  It DOES come with OS/2 GA, and was even included in the betas (but
>        had bugs)
> 
> Whats the correct answer (this is somewhat important to me)...
> 
> Thanks
> Joe Svec
> (jsvec@umaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu or svec@act-act6-po.act.org)
> 
> 
Joe -

I called Novell yesterday; the man I spoke with said that individual copies of
the requester will cost $30, orders will be taken starting Apr. 20th, and
copies would be available May 15th.  However, I received a mail message from
someone at Novell stating that he had a version which was "ready for release"
so perhaps we won't have to wait so long.  A month and a half after GA seems
extreme to me.

I don't know about the site license; Timothy Sipples said that the $200 price
is for unlimited use ata site, not for individual copies.

If anyone gets more concrete info (or a copy of the requester!) please let me
know.

Dave Rodger
ge8y@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Eggheads see the light
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:22:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Apr14.083651.12756@burns.jpl.nasa.gov> hand@spc9.jpl.nasa.gov (Kolin Hand) writes:
>
>This is certainly true.  I walked down to the Egghead nearest us here (the one
>on Foothill and Rosemead, Brooke) the other day and asked the salesperson if
>they carried the new OS/2.  The guy brushed me off by saying that he had just
>seen a memo stating that Egghead would not carry it.  Several days later, I
>thought I might give my "friendly" Egghead a call and ask them, again, if they
>had OS/2 v2.0?  Well, the little sales-type person said "yes, we will be gettingthat in "next week."  
>
>Bottom line:  I think that the little sales-dorks at Egghead (oh, excuse me,
>I forgot my composure ;-) ) ahem... salespeople have seen an increasing
>interest in a far-superior operating system/GUI and have been back-talking, er,
>back-tracking to cover thier tails, I mean trails.

The bottom line:  Sales people everywhere, with few exceptions, don't
really know the products they sell.  Some do, but most people don't
know anything more than what's currently on the shelf.

Don't flame back.  If your a salesperson and this doesn't apply to
you, then it doesn't apply.  If it does apply, then every offense is
intended - go and learn your market.


--- Dave

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From: jumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Lanham)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Offer to Overseas--I'll help you upgrade for free
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:53:47 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

This offer goes to anyone who wants some help upgrading from 1.x, windows or
DOS at US prices.

The offer is this:
1) You let me know you my want my help 2) You are willing to pay overseas
freight charges (I do not know how much and you will have to reimburse me or
arrange pre-payment) 3) If customs demands it(though why should they) you get
to pay them also 4) You are willing to send me your English Language proof of
license and are willing to except an English language version of the manuals.


I will do this with no monetary incentive on my behalf--I want OS/2 to
succeed!!!  So e-mail me and let me know.  

United States Users !!!!--why don't some more people take this same tack?  It
will help IBM, is legal, is ethical, and it helps fellow OS/2 wanna bes get
their software! 
He who will not reason, is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool;
and he who dares not is a slave.      --- Sir William Drummond

Michael Lanham       mjlanham@eos.ncsu.edu   &  jumper@catt.ncsu.edu
From: pebly@VNET.IBM.COM (Bob Pebly)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.0 DOS emulation?
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:26:47 GMT
Reply-To: pebly@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Industrial Sector Division, Boca Raton, FL

In <1992Apr9.192439.21427@njitgw.njit.edu> David Charlap writes:
>In article <35037@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> asher@qtp.ufl.edu (Robert L. Asher) writes:
>><stuff deleted>
>>which acts as an experimental cycle clock (ie 18.2Hz), lots of
>>interupt calls to DOS, and a DMA enable/disable call to let the CAMAC
>>Crate take control of the I/O bus to transfer data.  First, does this
>>sound too difficult for OS/2 to handle in a DOS window?
>
>Interesting.  The interrupt calls to DOS are no problems.  The DMA
>calls might be.  I think you'd need a device driver of some sort.  It
>seems to me that this low level of operation would have the potential
>to iolate system integrety without some driver to let OS/2 know what
>all those DMA and port instructions are doing.  I might be wrong,
>though.
>

OS/2 supports the base DMA controllers in DOS sessions with a virtual
DMA device driver.  It sounds like you are talking about a DMA Master
type adapter (a busmaster) which requires knowledge of absolute physical
addresses. If that's the case, it won't work under an OS/2 2.0 DOS
session.  In real mode DOS, the segment:offset => physical address
translation for the DMA bus master was simple math.  Under DOS 5.0 with
upper memory blocks, Windows in enhanced mode and OS/2 virtual DOS
sessions, the same simple math calculates the wrong physical address
because virtual memory is in use and memory is not directly mapped.  In
DOS 5.0, the solution is to use the INT 4B DMA services.  In OS/2 2.0,
you currently need a virtual device driver for your adapter to convert
and lock down the virtual DOS address and pass the correct physical
address on to your bus master adapter.

Bob Pebly

Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's view, not those of IBM.
From: rcook@happy.helios.nd.edu (robert cook)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: HPFS and Memory
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:41:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr15.224139.11384
Reply-To: Cook.14@nd.edu (R. Kelley Cook)
Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame

In article <26908@wraxall.inmos.co.uk>, des@frogland.inmos.co.uk (David Shepherd) writes:
|> >
|> >ANYWAY, why shouldn't i install HPFS?
|> 
|> i've got my GA and am even more confused.
|> 
|> i have rescanned the installation guide and i still can't find any
|> warning that i should not install hpfs on a machine with 4-6 Mb 
|> memory. i have 5 Mb so i chose hpfs (well it does say high performance)
|> - yes i do notice significant disk swapping ... i'm going to 
|> re-install with FAT and see if it makes it better.
|> 

Relevant portion of README file:

o   Support for the High Performance File System
    (HPFS) was not added to your system if you
    installed OS/2 2.0 using either "Install all
    features" or "Install preselected features,"
    and your system:

    -   Has 6MB or less of memory, and
    -   Did not previously have HPFS support.

    To install HPFS support, use the Selective
    Install object in the System Setup folder.

So the Installation routine obviously does not think HPFS is a good idea
with less than 6MB.  If you can live with it, by all means do.  Personally
I would pay <40 for a meg like you can find in the back of PC-Week.

-- 
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Univ. of Notre Dame     The future for Intel computers arrived March 31!
Physics Dept.            Long Live the new OS/2!  Time to close the Windows!
From: terran@en.ecn.purdue.edu (me)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: ATM
Keywords: ATM, fonts, small green things from mars
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:32:33 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Hi all.
This may be a really stupid question but what the heck:

Having never experienced this beast or seen any direct comments regarding it
I have to wonder: what exactly does ATM do?  Does it (he says hopefully) allow
plebians such as myself who don't have a postscript printer to print postscript
anyway?  If not, then what?  I have heard bits about "makes what appears on the
screen match what comes off the printer" but that seems sort of useless if
I can't print postscript and am limited to a few built in fonts anyway.

Thanks in advance for any enlightenment.

(Waiting anxiously for my 2.0 order to arrive...) Terran


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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: cooper@cis.ohio-state.edu (frank michael cooper)
Subject: What changed from LA to GA?
Originator: cooper@cedar.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:08:51 GMT

I'm having some major installation problems with 2.0 GA.  v6.177h (LA)
installed and ran just fine, as did 1.3SE.

I did *not* reformat the drive before trying the installation.  I did do the
following (after having problems, of course):

	1) Removed all cards except drive controller and video.
	2) Reconfigured BIOS to slowest possible settings (slow bus, add waits)
	3) Removed some applications and left a reasonably huge amount of disk
	   space free.

The system did manage (somehow) to install in non-turbo mode, but will not
operate if I pump it back up.

Here's relevant hardware:
386-40 VLSI Chipset AMI (3/15/91) BIOS
Quantum LPS240AT Hard drive (C:)
Quantum LPS105AT Hard drive (D:)
Diamond SpeedSTAR Plus SVGA (tried a Diamond Stealth as well)
8mb RAM
Teac 1.44 floppy
Kouwell KW-556B IDE I/O card

Any suggestions as to what may be going on?

Please email, this group is getting overwhelming!!

	-Mike


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From: marv.kohn@execnet.com (marv kohn)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: manuals with os/2 v.2
Date: 9 Apr 92 03:44:16 GMT
Reply-To: "marv kohn" <marv.kohn@execnet.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Executive Networks Information

SM>Are there any manuals we can buy?  I'd like to read about OS/2 while
SM>I'm away from my computer.  (Yes, I've seen _The Design of OS/2_, but
SM>I'm talking about user's manuals.)

Steven:

     In the OS/2 2.0 box, there is a "Publications Order Form."  It lists
the "OS/2 2.0 Command Reference," which it claims "provides the same
information as is provided by the online Command Reference."  Price is
$37.75.  You can get it by calling 800-426-7282.

- Marv Kohn -
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From: Jyri.Virkki@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Jyri Virkki)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: A few questions...
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:50:46 GMT
Reply-To: j_virkki@upr2.clu.net
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service


OK, so every day I'm becoming more convinced I just *have* to get OS/2
and get away from the dreaded DOS disease. (I was never infected with 
Windows :-). 

Still, I have a few doubts. Mainly, I'd like to know whether OS/2's interface
is mostly gui-type (a la Windows), or just shell's-in-windows (a la X-win.)?

I am not really interested in having anything like ms-windows, where I'd
have to "launch" programs by double-clicking with a mouse, etc. On the
other hand, I'd really love to have an environment similar to X on my PC.

So, can I set up OS/2 so after it boots I get simply (say) 3 windows on
my screen, each with a shell (all this defined in whatever would be the
equivalent of .xinitrc). Then just move into one of the windows, type, say
"wp" and have Word Perfect come up and run there; move to another window
and run BC++, etc, etc... Or, would I have to put up with some GUI thing?

Thanks...

Jyri J. Virkki - DoD#561 - j_virkki@upr2.clu.net

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From: MXD118@psuvm.psu.edu (Spiro the Spiny Goldfish)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Norton desktop on OS/2-WIN shell?
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:08:14 GMT
Organization: Penn State ACA (American Churl Association)
X-Subliminal-Message: OS/2 2.0 is here.  Call 1-800-3IBMOS2 to order.
X-Curtains-For-Windows: OS/2 2.0 upgrade from Windows: $49
X-PEPSI-Slogan: My butt -- Gotta bite it!
X-Emasculated-Operating-System: UNIX

In article <1992Apr8.190409.22902@uwm.edu>, tanith@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Michael D
Kretzer) says:
>
>Undelete is definitely in 6.304 and has been in every beta I've ever seen.
>Unfortunately, the 'default' is not to have undelete, so you have to delete
>the REM before the DELDIR statement in the CONFIG.SYS in order for things
>to work properly.

This is not really an undelete facility like you would see in Norton.  It
operates more like the Macintosh trashcan - basically if you have it turned
on,  your deleted files are just copied to a directory and only junked either
when you "empty" it,  or when it runs out of space.
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From: michaelc@obmarket (Michael Campbell)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: PC Week Summary: 4/6/92
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:35:13 GMT
Organization: Mikes private machine

rafetmad@cheshire.oxy.edu (David R. Giller) writes:

> >
> >They have 300 operators right now, are taking approx. 2400 orders a day. The
> >would have more operators but they're at capacity right now! (As per the OS/
> >people in the IBM tower here in Atlanta,where the ordering info is being don
>
> This would seem to blow the 3 million figure, but that's still alot of orders

Does this seem wrong to anyone?  (2400 orders / day) / (300 operators) =
only 8 orders/operator/day?  1 or 2 every HOUR per operator...
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: dch2@engr.uark.edu (David Hobbs)
Subject: Windows under OS/2, any problems?
Organization: University of Arkansas
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 01:45:36 GMT

Before I shell out the massive (hah) upgrade price for windows to OS/2,
there are a couple of things I want to know.  First, I've been writing
some windows apps that play with the palette so I can do some gray-scale
imaging.  I've replaced the first 64 system palette entries with my own
gray scale values.  Will this kind of thing display my 64 gray scale in
a OS/2Win?

Secondly, are there Tseng ET-4000 drivers so I can run in 1024x768x256?

Thanks.  Feel free to email rather than 'wasting' bandwidth.

D.
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From: ersys!bking@agchem.redwater.iol.ca (Barry King)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS2 SIMM Question
Keywords: SIMM
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 19:02:38 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems, Edmonton, AB, Canada

jpollard@silver.ucs.indiana.edu writes:

> The mixing of 3 and 9 chip SIMMs is not recommended, but can I expect
> it to work ?
> 

It certainly didn't work for me...I have a machine that (now) has 8 Mb of 
1 Mbx9 SIMMS (4 are 80 ns and 4 are 70 ns -- I couldn't get 80's!!!).  
Anyway, I had a hard time finding the 1Mbx9 units and bought 4 1Mbx3 
(Goldstar brand).  I installed them and got Trap D's, Trap C's, Trap 2's 
and plain old cold system lockups with no warning whatsoever.  I swapped 
these suckers for 4 more of the same brand, swapping each of the 12 SIMMs 
in and out to try and isolate the problem to one SIMM -- couldn't do it.  
I then tried SIMMs from 3 other manufacturers - Hyundai, some no-name 
ones, and Panasonic.  Same problems all around.  I now have2 additional 
no-names and 2 Hyundai 1Mbx9 SIMMs which work flawlessly.
 
I ran into this once before with bad memory in a PS/2.  I was extremely 
skeptical when IBM said it was bad RAM (had the same bizarre system 
problems under OS/2).  They (IBM) said that due to OS/2's rapid and 
frequent context switching in protected mode that previously undetected 
RAM problems would surface.  New memory cleared up the problem.
 
What I find very strange is that electrically, the 3 chip SIMMs should be 
(have to be ???) electrically tthe same as the 1Mbx9 units.  I'd love to 
hear a technical explaination of this phenomenon from some 
elctrical/electronic engineer type person.  I suspect that it must be the 
fault of the motherboard...
 
So, I'd be careful - make sure you have an understanding hadrware vendor 
who will let you swap the chips if necessary.  Also, give the new SIMMs 
at least a week for burn-in.  Most of my troubles showed up in the first 
48 hours at the latest and usually within the first 15-60 minutes of 
operation.  I have heard that some people have successfully mixed the two 
SIMM types with OS/2.
 
Hope this helps.  Also hope someone has an explanation that at least 
sounds plausible...

Barry King              bking@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
Edmonton Remote Systems:  Celebrating 10 years of service to Northern Alberta
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: prs@turing.acs.virginia.edu (Phillip R. Scarr)
Subject: Re: Trident... The saga continues...
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 23:51:02 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.154603.16228@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr11.062550.22569@cs.rose-hulman.edu> swartzjh@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Jeff H. Swartz) writes:
>>	Well I got my SVGA drivers installed and WHAM they work!!!  I am  
>>really disappointed in that I can no longer multitask VGA programs in DOS  
>>windows.  I want a 256 color (640X480 or 800X600) that I can still run my  
>>VGA DOS apps in windows under.  Is this possible???  Are there drivers  
>>coming out that will do this???  I really like the 800X600 or 640X480  
>>drivers but I want to be able to run VGA DOW windows.  When I try it with  
>>the Trident drivers installed it says that this is not supported under  
>>these drivers.  Any info is much appreciated...
>
>First, make sure you are using the drivers contained in the file
>trios220 -- other drivers are OLD.  Second, make sure you run the
>program SVGA ON from a DOS full screen session BEFORE installing the
>drivers.  And lastly, make sure you're using hardware that supports
>the drivers (right chipset, enough memory, etc).

I think the problem is one of modes and not drivers.  He is asking why
he can't run his standard vga apps in a window on an svga desktop.  I
don't think OS/2 supports the kind of mode translation required to adapt
a game which is 640x480 to a desktop which is 800x600.  If it did, then
I would REALLY be blown away...

	-Phil

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