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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Re: Why it's great in Vancouver (was Why ESPN's Hockey Ratings Are Low)
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 10:27:16 GMT

p7z092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Anthony Jang) wrote:
>In article <1992Nov23.010709.3447@cs.ucf.edu> wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
>>Just about every team has local TV, local radio, local newspaper coverage,
>>local this, local that. With ESPN, we're talking national coverage. Why
>>don't you ask Canucks fans living hundreds of miles from Vancouver (that don't
>>have satellite dishes) how much of 1-4 they are getting (5 is really
>>irrelevant)?
>Local coverage accounts for about 1 game per week, national coverage is
>about 3 games per week (done very nicely by CBC and esp. TSN).
>Canuck fans living hundreds of miles away can still pick up 18 of the games.  

If they are in Canada...

>Furthermore, read the subject line, it does say
>	 'Why it's great in *Vancouver*'.

It still relates to ESPN which is received in the US, and Canucks fans in the
US aren't getting CBC and TSN.

>Item 5 (about Bure playing for the Canucks) was a joke, as in humor
>like most of the post, but if you want to take it seriously then you can...  
>So in summary, your comments just piss me off.

It wasn't my intent to piss you off, rather to inform you. I didn't take it
as a joke since you are posting from Canada but set distribution to the USA.
The other followups (which didn't really get into this topic) probably didn't
make it back to you. Perhaps followups to Canada would have been better.

If you want to make fun of the US coverage because you have better, that's
fine.

The game this week on ESPN is Hartford at Boston. It will do lousy in the
ratings because:

(1) Hartford is playing poorly
(2) It's on at 1 pm and who would think hockey would be on in the afternoon
(3) it's up against the crappy college football (one game follows hockey,
    ugly...uh...oddly enough)

Oh well, I'm happy that it's on.

Tom
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:50:26 EST
From: <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Canadiens No. 1 in NHL

The Montreal Canadiens defeated the Boston Bruins last night to vault to No. 1
in the overall standings (as of this moment) with a record of 13-4-2.  Now, as
if I recall, people started an argument saying winning percentage is a better
indicator than points?  Well, with points, Montreal was ahead the enitre time
of Boston.  With percentage, it was Boston as the best, then Montreal had to
pass them up.  This is why I like points a little better.  Let's see if Boston
can now catch Quebec.  For followups, contibute to my points vs. win pctg poll.
It's currently being taken through my e-mail til Friday.  So far the score is
3-2-1 in favor of win pctg.  Somebody voted for both is where the 1 comes from.
** Rob **
From: wds2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (WALTER DIETRICH STRUBBE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: What's wrong with the Rangers?
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:33:19 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <92325.015446RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>, RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>Can anybody explain why the Rangers are in a slide right now?  They just
>keep losing, and I can't find any explanation for it in the papers or anywhere.
>Not that I'm complaining, it's just that when a great team like the Rangers
>is pushing around .500, something must be wrong.  Of course, back to back game
>against the Penguins may bring back their winning ways, but I'm hoping they
>don't find theirselves before then!
>** Rob **
>
From what I can tell from the press coverage, the players are unhappy with the
rotation, because they don't play as much.  Four people sit out every
night(maybe three now that Archibald's gone).  They can't be sent to the
minors without clearing nonrecallable waivers.  Also, Neilson is not known as
a great communicator either.  I would be quite happy to see him gone...
-- 
 
                                 Walt
 
 
      "Yea, though I walk through the valley of death, I shall fear no
evil....  for I am at Angels 50 and climbing."
 
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From: fafuria@der.Princeton.EDU (Frederick Arthur Furia)
Subject: Re: Flyers Report
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: Philadelphia 7, N.Y. Rangers 3
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:53:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.161451.6492@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
>
>
>...  Lindros scored one (15), assisted on another (he may
>now be the rookie scoring leader) and hit everything in site that
>wore blue.  Eric's biggest hit of the night came at the expense of
>Jeff Beukeboom.  After Beukeboom checked Lindros with two fists to
>the face, Eric turned up ice and set his sights on the 6-4, 220lb
>defensman.  Lindros crushed him along the right boards.  I mean
>CRUSHED!  Beukeboom took exception and went after Eric.  Lindros
>showed great restraint and simply put Beukeboom on the ice in front
>of the Flyers net.  Beukeboom was given a game misconduct and Lindros
>stayed out on the ice to tally his lone assist.

Well, according to the radio announcers on WFAN (yes, I'd rather be
listening to 610 WIP, but they don't come in so well at Princeton),
Lindros got some excellent shots in on Beukeboom once there was no way
stop things.  I don't blame him, but I wanted it to be known that he
taught the big guy a lesson in patience as well as in humility.  :)

Good recap, though!

Also, you asked if anyone else was impressed with the FLYERS'
performance this year.  Man, you've got to be kidding!  They're
unbelievable these past few days.  Like you, I'm not expecting a Stanley
Cup just yet, but the Penguins' toughest obstacle in the playoffs might
be getting past Recchi and company.

Fred
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From: urjm5@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Richard Macturk)
Subject: Re: U.S. "Dream Team"
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:55:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.175700.10038@cbnews.cb.att.com> chill@cbnews.cb.att.com (daniel.a.miller) writes:
>
>	I don't know if anyone has mention this player to be on the 
>supposed "U.S. Dream Team".
>
>		Bob Probert
>
>	He can't go back to Canada, right!!!! So, he would be my fist....
>I mean first choice for the US Team.
>
>- Dan
>  Wings in 92'-93'
>  Da Chill in the ECHL
>
>
Probert can go to Canada, he just can't come back to the U.S.
after he leaves. Unfortunately. 

By the way, does anyone know how his immigration troubles are
coming along????



-- 
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From: ananda@ee.umanitoba.ca
Subject: Re: JETS News: Lalor out, trade rumours?
Organization: Elect & Comp Engineering, U of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba,Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:16:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.141857.1874@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>, leunggm@odin.control.utoronto.ca (Gary Leung) writes:
> In article <Bxz5Bz.1vM@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) writes:
> >
> >In the trade rumour department, rumours are circulating that a blockbuster
> >type trade might be in the works between the Jets and the New York Rangers.
> >This was fuelled by a visit to the Winnipeg Arena by Rangers GM Neil Smith
> >for a game between the Jets and the Edmonton Oilers.  The Jets involved are:
> >Ed Olcyzk and one of the Jets premier defencemen (take your pick of: Phil
> >Housley, Teppo Numminen, or Fredrik Olausson).  In return, the Jets would
> >be getting up to 4 Rangers, which could include Winnipeg native James Patrick,
> >Doug Weight, or Kris King.
> >
> 
> Oh The Sports Network last night, Bob McKenzie stated that Bob
> Essensa may also be on the trading block pending the outcome of
> his arbitration hearing. Word is that if he wins the
> arbitration, the Jets will want to trade him instead of paying
> him a high salary. Buffalo was mentioned as being interested.
> Can anyone in the Buffalo or Winnipeg area shed some light on
> this?


	It's very doubtful if the Jets would trade goalie Bob because no one in 
the organization wants to lose him.  There is always a level of confidence among 
players and fans at the arena when he starts.  Unless his salary is about $2 million 
 I wouldn't bet on him being traded.  As for trade with NY I would take Housley and Teppo
of the list.  

A quick comment on Freddie Olausson,  he would be a 80 pt. man on any team that
doesn't have Phil Housley, Brian Leetch, Al McInnis, maybe Ray
Bourque(spelling!) 
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From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Re: LEAFS NEWS: Wamsley, Fuhr on their way to St.John's
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:01:05 GMT

GS> > Leafs' goalie Rick Wamsley is officially on his way to St.John's
GS> > three-game rehabilitation.     
GS> > 
GS> I heard that during Wamley's three game rehabilitation
GS> he re-injured his knee and will be gone for a while.  Can
GS> anyone confirm this?   
 
During his first game in St.John's, Wamsley stopped 31 of 35 shots.
The score was tied 4-4 late in the 2nd (early 3rd?) and Wamsley hurt
his knee again.
 
The next day, they said it wasn't very bad and that he should play 
again in the next game (tommorrow night, Monday).
 
Stephen Legge
GS> > 
GS> >          /\     
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GS> >     \         /     MAPLE     
GS> >     /_        _\     LEAFS                    
GS> >       /__  __\ 
GS> >          ||  
GS> >
GS> > SLEGGE@kean.ucs.mun.ca                         
GS> > 
GS>   By the way I like your leaf symbol Stephen.
 
Thank you.

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From: kuip@sus.edu.eur.nl (F. Kuiper)
Subject: Dutch Hockey Results  -->  Week 7  (11/22)
Summary: Dutch hockey - week 7
Keywords: Dutch Hockey
Organization: EUR
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:30:58 GMT


Hi everybody, Here are the results from the Dutch Hockey League week # 7
It is still very exciting, now two teams are sharing the lead, both with
21 points out of 14 games. The results of last weekends games : 

Flameguards / Nijmegen     - Meetpoint Eaters / Geleen     2 - 5  (0-2,2-2,0-1)
Gunco Panda's / Rotterdam  - Gjaltema Rams / Assen        10 - 4  (2-1,7-1,1-2)
Forbo Flyers / Heerenveen  - Lepelaers Trappers / Tilburg  1 - 4  (1-2,0-1,0-1)
Gjaltema Rams / Assen      - Pro Badge / Utrecht           6 - 9  (1-3,4-3,1-3)
Meetpoint Eaters / Geleen  - Forbo Flyers / Heerenveen     8 - 3  (4-1,1-1,3-1)
Pro Badge / Utrecht        - Gunco Panda's / Rotterdam     6 - 9  (2-4,2-4,2-1)
Lepelaers Trappers / Tilburg - Flameguards / Nijmegen   2 - 3  (0-1,0-0,2-1,0-1)

And the standings after 14 games played ( 10 to go ).

        	w	t	l	gp	pts	gf	ga	+/-
Rotterdam	10	1	3	14	21	81	48	33
Geleen	        10	1	3	14	21	74	41	33
Nijmegen	9	1	4	14	19	67	51	16
Tilburg	        8	0	6	14	16	77	55	22
Utrecht	        5	0	9	14	10	63	73	-10
Heerenveen	4	1	8	13	9	56	68	-12
Assen	        0	0	13	13	0	31	113	-82

Next week some games for the Dutch Cup will be played :
Rotterdam - Nijmegen
Utrecht - Geleen     
and also the Heerenveen - Assen games which is still missing in the standings


See you next week,

Friso Kuiper
e-mail : kuip@sus.eur.nl 

 
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From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy)
Subject: Re: Why ESPN's Hockey Ratings Are Low
Organization: Clarkson University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:35:58 GMT

gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:

>kevin@sherman.pas.rochester.edu (kevin mcfadden) writes:
>>	After watching yet another Sportscenter, I finally came to 
>>realize that ESPN is still not really dedicated to hockey.  ESPN 
>>still treats hockey like a lesser sport.

>Actually, they have been better in that the smart cracks against the
>game by the other guys (Tom Mees and the women anchors are all right)
>disappeared right after ESPN got the contract.  Unfortunately, CNN's
>Sports Latenight has picked up that song from what I've been able to
>catch.  (Maybe Ted Turner is angry about not getting the third party
>SCA national games package for his SportsSouth network anymore?)

Perhaps but Van Earl Wright of CNN said it best when showing 
a fight in the Bruins-Flyers game, "Here's an example
of why the NHL remains the #4 sport in the US."

Plus, I think ESPN might do better if it showed a doubleheader
every once in a while. Perhaps even a Saturday afternoon game.
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From: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca
Subject: Cover UP
Organization: McGill University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:59:42 GMT

Cover up by NHL??? someone must be kidding , they don't have the
power and their best quote is "no comment". In Montreal, cover up
by media and police is just a matter of exclusion. Guys like Lafleur
in night clubs raided for drugs was escorted through crowds while
patty wagons filled everyone else. Richer picked up young boys in
clubs, Chelios and a few boys drunk driving & accident, no report.
Corson numerous fights in bars finally published when french media
decided he had to go, not to mention he and number of other habs
took a few underage girls to "party" after 1986 cup, were sued but
dropped after money changed hands, mom decided boys will be boys &
her little girl wasn't little bo peep anyway.

Rape? What young girl or women who is picked up by visiting player
on the road is expecting to go up to players hotel room and not
have sex. The players didn't invite them because of their personality
and girls didn't hang around them to talk hockey or baseball or
whatever. THEY WERE ALL THERE FOR SEX!!!! any women who thought
different shouldn't be out after dark. Calous but true, going up
to players room means playing by his rules, your going up thier
"first" for what he wants, not her wishes.

P.S. if Mario's name didn't come up no-one would care.

Got off the subect about press and NHL but 2 points instead of 1

The Big "D"


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From: cliffr@pyuxf.uucp (25347-roberts)
Subject: ROY: question
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 13:15:35 GMT

Could someone please either post or email me with the names of
the last 10 Rookies of the year and the teams they currently (maybe)
play on.

Its a hockey trivia question I need to answer and I don't have any data.

Thanks,

cliff
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 01:15:51 EST
From: <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Poll results - points vs. win pctg.

POINTS  - 14 votes
WIN PERCENTAGE - 14 votes
Both are good  -  2 votes.
   -- So I guess with the 50-50 split, people would like to see both.  Maybe
to you win percentage advocates, you could get a petition to the league to see
if that will work, who knows?  Well, thanks to all the people who participated.
See ya!
** Rob **
From: nagy@pl1.cs.psu.edu (Gregory Nagy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Pens-0 Red Wings-8/Random thoughts
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:59:55 GMT
Organization: Penn State Computer Science

In article <92Nov16.183610est.120@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down) writes:
>nagy@pl1.cs.psu.edu (Gregory Nagy) writes:
>
>
>Greg, I'm sorry you are upset. But with this coming so soon after
>people calling the Penguins, "Wrens" and all, I can understand it.

Oh yeah... So upset I have a "ren-guins" shirt already... (The happy
helmet does kinda look like a hockey helmet) 
>
>So sorry.
>
>But you really shouldn't be "looking" for people to flame, whether you
>perceive them to be "losers" (as in 8-0), or not. It's bad for that
>sensitive heart of yours!

Hey... Everybody has off nights and is unable to "Perform" all the time. I'm
sure you know a LOT about this....

>
>Brian Down (bdown@vis.toronto.edu)
>

was that all you could come up with???
-- 
Greg Nagy   nagy@cs.psu.edu   nagy@love-shack.com   GGN100@psuvm.psu.edu

"I draw the line at styrofoam kernals, you pervert!" -- Jeff
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From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Subject: Re: Ps-0 RWs-8/thoughts (NON-HOCKEY POST)
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:36:01 GMT

In article <Bxv5x8.Ano.1@cs.cmu.edu> kwh@CS.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann) writes:
>
>p.s.  I wonder if the story would have made headlines had Mario intervened
>	on the alleged incident.  He could have come out of this looking 
>	really good.
>

Maybe he didn't intervene because there was no reason to.  Remember, this is still
an allegded rape.  Nothing has been proven yet.

Lori


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From: macmib@aix.rpi.edu (Brian Edward Macmillan)
Subject: Re: Trivia Questions (I don't have the answer?)
Keywords: '84 draft, 3rd pick, +/-
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:38:44 GMT

In article <1ejcgaINNq99@keats.rick.cs.ubc.ca> p7z092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Anthony Jang) writes:
>I was looking at the draft pick back in 1984 when I noticed Lafontaine was
>picked up by the Islanders third overall despite winning the cup and finishing
>with 96 points.  So my question is ->
>
>How did the Islanders get Lafontaine?
>
>I believe NJ finished 3rd last, but they are in the same division.  
>
	The third pick was the Devils however, back in 1981, the Colorado
	Rockies GM Billy MacMillan (no relation to me) traded his 1983 
	number one pick to the Islanders for D Dob Lorimer and F Dave
	Cameron.  In 1982, the Devils became the Devils and in 1983, Bill
	Torrey picked Pat LaFontaine.  To make it worse for the Devils, 
	LaFontaine likes to play them, with 32 goals and 58 points in the
	48 games he has played against them.  


Mac 

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From: ncjlog@atmos.washington.edu (Neal Johnson)
Subject: Fargo, ND: who plays there?
Organization: Dept. of Atmospheric Sciences, University of Washington
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:58:22 GMT


I heard that there is a junior team in Fargo, ND.

Does anyone know what league they play in, that league's age
restrictions and any other tidbits???

I may be in Fargo in January and I want to avoid sitting on my hands.
From: corey@cayman.com (corey sohmer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Hartford Whalers
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:34:00 GMT
Organization: cayman systems
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From: SGLENN@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Wings/Hawks
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:46:17 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs


Detroit won its' third straight last night, beating Chicago 5-4 to take
over first place in the Norris by one point over the Hawks and Leafs.

Jeremy Roenick ruined Tim Cheveldae's bid to tie a franchise record with
3 straight shut-outs 3:07 into the game.  Roenick skated freely around the
Detroit zone before lifting a wrist-shot past Cheveldae to give the Hawks
a 1-0 lead.  Chicago struck two more times in the first to lead 3-0 going
into the second.

Dino Ciccarelli and Ray Sheppard scored early in the second to bring the
Wings back into the game, but Gilbert scored his second of the game for the
Hawks to give them a 4-2 lead after 2.  The Wings played more physical in
the second period, and looked like an entirely different team than the first.

Ciccarelli scored his second of the game early in the third to pull the Wings
back to within 1.  Yzerman netted his 15th on a nice two-on-one with Probert.
Yzerman skated over the blue line, passed to Probert, who quickly returned
to puck to Yzerman, who one-timed a shot past Belfour.
Shawn Burr scored the winner with 6 minutes left in the game.  Burr, who was
moved to the 4th line in the 3rd period, beat Belfour from a tough angle.

NOTES:  The Drake-Carson-Ciccarelli line really seems to click together.
Drake and Ciccarelli play a similiar style.  Last night they were both really
hitting and setting plays up well....Fedorov took a slash in the second and
left for a short time...Yves Racine has missed the past three games with a
shoulder injury.  The Wings are 3-0 with his replacement, Gord Kruppke, in
the lineup...Murray is trying to trade Gallant.  Latest rumor was to the
Islanders for Uwe Kruppe...Murray also is considering sending Martin LaPointe
back to his junior team...Slava Kozlov is in Detroit to have his knee looked
at.  He should be returning to Adirondack afterwards.

-Scott
From: ace@eisley.wa.com (Ace of Death)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Pens-0 Red Wings-8/Random thoughts
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 22:49:15 PST
Organization: Mos Eisley Spaceport BBS

This is one of the very few Pens games that ESPN shows here in Seattle, 
and of course it has to be this one......

The opener was the only other one They've shown so far and I've been 
wanting to see them.... and finally I get to......    and they get their 
butts kicked.

oh well.....
maybe next time....

later

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From: IYI4DTN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Gann Matsuda)
Subject: Re: Alexei Zhitnik?
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:52:42 PST

In article <23906@galaxy.ucr.edu>, on 13 Nov 92 20:37:52 GMT,
mikes@velo.ucr.edu (Mike Shebanek) writes:

>I've been watching the Kings all season, and thus far, I'm very impressed with
>Alexei.  He has all of the talents a play can posess, great skating, strength,
>and a good understanding of the game.  He's not in the position of having to
>produce goals, Blake and Coffey can do that, and he doesn't necessarily have to
>be a tough guy, that's why the Kings got Jeff Chycrun back, so he's in a great
>spot.  He can take time to learn the game NHL-style, and have the freedom to
>step up when he want, and stay back when he wants.  My overall impression is
>that he's "solid".  He won't screw up and hurt you, but he proabbly won't win a
>game for you either.
>
>For my $.02, he's what the Kings needed.  They have great stars; they've always
>had them.  What they've needed, and gotten, are solid 2nd and 3rd liners to
>back them up.
>
>One last comment.  He's a lot tougher than he looks.  He's thrown some great
>checks and musculed people in the corners and in front of the net that I
>thought he wouldn't be able to handle.  Perhaps he will begin to dominate later
>in the season...
>
>
Alexei Zhitnik has been quietly impressive all season.  He has all the
makings of a future star.  He has great puck-handling skills, a hard,
accurate shot from the point, he's an excellent skater with good speed,
he has great hands, good stick-checking skills and can play a good,
physical game.

I have not seen anyone get around him with control of the puck yet this
season.  He hasn't gotten a lot of shots so far this season, but the
opportunities really haven't been there for him.  But he has played
SOLID defense all season.  I think he will become a star defenseman in
a year or two.

Gann
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