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From: huttar@ief.itg.ti.com (Lars Huttar)
Subject: address of Hattori family for condolences?
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:04:56 GMT
Distribution: soc
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> From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
[...]
> 1. The shooter has expressed great regret and remorse, even wishing that
>    the gun had misfired and blown off his own hand. (This does not sound
>    like an evil , hate filled violent person)

I'm very glad to hear this.  Until now I had heard nothing about the
gunman's feelings on the incident, except that he admitted he had shot
the boy, and a bit of explanation about why he shot him.  So I was under
the impression that the gunman felt his actions were justified.


Tad Perry (tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu) writes:
> In article <437@ub-tky.UBSPD.CO.JP> tobac@ub-tky.UBSPD.CO.JP (Bach Frederic) writes:
> >[Large excerpts from a Kyodo News brief]
> >
> > A grand jury in the Louisiana town of Baton-Rouge decided on Wednesday
> > to indict Rodney Peairs on a charge of inflicting bodily injury
> > resulting in death for the shooting of Japanese exchange student
> > Yoshihiro Hattori on Oct. 17.
> 
> Ahhh, the problems of translating from English to Japanese and then
> back into English to deliver news... For those who want the normal
> English for what this means: Peairs was indicted on charges of
> *manslaughter* not on charges of "inflicting bodily injury resulting
> in death"--I don't even think there is such a charge anywhere in the
> US. Kyodo should really work on its ability to deliver English news.

Well, what exactly is manslaughter?  It seems to me that "inflicting
bodily injury resulting in death" might be a good description of the
term "manslaughter" -- I'm not a lawyer, though...
Anyway, if the intended audience is native English speakers, as you
suggest, then maybe you're right to chide Kyodo.  On the other hand,
how many Americans know the definition of manslaughter?


Anyway, my real reason for posting here was, does anyone know an address
(of the Hattori family) to which condolences can be sent?  I realize it's
kind of late but maybe not too late.
And how about some recommendations on making this letter fit in culturally?
What kind of letter is acceptable to send to a grieving family?


Thanks,
Lars Huttar

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       $B7n$O6yED$N207AA%(J  (tsuki wa Sumida no yakatabune)
From: tobac@ub-tky.UBSPD.CO.JP (Bach Frederic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Sumo - Kyushu Basho (Banzuke)
Date: 6 Nov 92 04:32:18 GMT
Organization: UBS Phillips & Drew INT'L Ltd. TOKYO, JAPAN

[I guess the title says it all.]

	East	Position	West

Konishiki	Ozeki		Akebono
Kirishima
Musashimaru	Sekiwake	Takahanada
Akinoshima			Mitoizumi
Kotonishiki	Komusubi	Kyokudozan
				Takatoriki
Daishoho	Maegashira	Takamisugi
Terao			2	Kushimaumi
Misugisato		3	Tochinowaka
Wakashoyo		4	Wakahanada
Kitakachidoki		5	Daizen
Kotonowaka		6	Tomoefuji
Toyonoumi		7	Mainoumi
Tamakairiki		8	Daishoyama
Tatsuhikari		9	Oginohana
Takanonami		10	Kotoinazuma
Kotofuji		11	Kiraiho
Tokitsunada		12	Kirinishiki
Kotogaume		13	Kasugafuji
Kototsubaki		14	Kotobeppu
Wakanoyama		15	Hananokuni

Tournament starts this Sunday, November 8 in Fukuoka.

As usual, in giving the daily results, I will use the following abbreviations :

D : Dai ; F : Fuji ; H : Hana ; K : Koto ; N : Nishiki ; S : Shima ;
T : Taka ; U : Umi ; W : Waka ; Y : Yama. For some wrestlers, when obvious, I
will use only the first part (e.g. Musashi for Musashimaru).
Also : ' : no, so T'nami = Takanonami.
-- 
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** ||_ /_| **   Fred "I'll be" Bach               (tobac@ub-tky.UBSPD.CO.JP) 
** || /__| **   [Je suis athee, Dieu merci.]          Tel. 813-3597-1595

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine)
Subject: Economy
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:08:09 GMT


	Someone told me that Japan was going through a recession not
unlike the one in the US - falling property prices, bad loans, and
falling industrial production (someone said it was off by almost
8%!!) and that Masushita announced LAYOFFS?!?

	Could someone straighten me out on the economic situation
in Japan?  What people are feeling?  Is recovery in sight?  Employment
and hiring?  

Thanks you in advance!


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: a7657@mindlink.bc.ca (Stephen H. Kawamoto)
Subject: Re: BATTLE FOR NICHIREN STATE RAGES OUT OF CONTROL IN HYOGO
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:55:48 GMT

Yes but they make for GOOD reading...
...not that we should take ANYTHING posted seriously (unless it is in our
personal sphere of experience).

--
PGP 384/D7484F Stephen Kawamoto

a7657@mindlink.bc.ca.


UUENCODED on MIND LINK! Fri Oct 30 10:35:08 1992


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: news@cs.mu.OZ.AU
Subject: Is it true? (was Re: RIGHT-WING EXTREMISTS MASSACRE 47....)
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:42:22 GMT

Hi.

I want to confirm that the article
"RIGHT-WING EXTREMISTS MASSACRE 47..."
is true or not.

If it is a joke, the netters should NOT allow such joke in the news group.
Sometimes, I read this group to get the informations about my country, and
I give them to my friends who can not accese to this newsgroup...

Anyway, please send me informations about the article.

Thanks in advance.

Noriaki (noriaki@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au)
From: keis@psy.uwa.oz.au (Keis Ohtsuka)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Is it true? (was Re: RIGHT-WING EXTREMISTS MASSACRE 47....)
Date: 13 Nov 1992 03:05:22 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au

news@cs.mu.OZ.AU writes:

>Hi.

>I want to confirm that the article
>"RIGHT-WING EXTREMISTS MASSACRE 47..."
>is true or not.

>If it is a joke, the netters should NOT allow such joke in the news group.
>Sometimes, I read this group to get the informations about my country, and
>I give them to my friends who can not accese to this newsgroup...

>Anyway, please send me informations about the article.

>Thanks in advance.

>Noriaki (noriaki@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au)
> 

No, it is not true. Henry is into a creative writing mode, producing
a futuristic rendition of hypothetical civil disturbance.
Although there are more than several obvious discrepancies that
signal its fictitious nature, I would like Henry to add explicit
comments -- any resemblances to a living person or persons are
merely concidental, etc. However, I am against banning certain
types of posting as some of his notes are hilarious.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Ftp site for Japan Pop-star?
From: <I19LG@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 5 Nov 1992 09:48:26 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Does anyone know any FTPs sites available for Japan stars' GIF or JPEG? I knew
one before called '???.piggy.????'. but I have forgot the entire node name.
Any kind of suggestion will be appreciated! Thanx in advance!


- Matt
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Yuzuru Hiraga)
Subject: Re: Is it true? (was Re: RIGHT-WING EXTREMISTS MASSACRE 47....)
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 02:11:54 GMT

In article <HUTTAR.92Nov13164050@hp750.itg.ti.com> huttar@hp750.itg.ti.com (Lars Huttar) writes:
> ...
>In any case, to put it bluntly, I think it's arrogant to post
>something that purports to be fact, and assume that anybody who
>doesn't get the joke deserves to be deceived.

Diverting from the main line...

The Takahanada - Miyazawa-Rie thing would have been considered the
best made spoof if it weren't real (but at the same time maybe mediocre
-- anyone might of thought of it to trick others...).
Sometimes facts are indeed stranger than fiction.

Maybe this had some psychological effect on the articles to follow...
[insert the smiley here...]

-YH
From: masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese exchange student killed in Louisiana...
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:12:07 GMT
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center

In article <HARKCOM.92Nov10133517@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp> harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom) writes:
>In article <Bx7wD5.EzC@ncifcrf.gov> masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov
>   (Michiaki Masuda) writes:

> =}   Probably, the local police knows only little more than you and I do.
> =}The person who knows best cannot talk any longer.

>   That's not true.  "One of the people who knows best can no longer
>talk" would have been better.  Or do you feel that since he's the only
>Japanese involved that he's the only relieable witness?

   Hunh? I was responding to the post that mentioned the mentality of the
Japanese student when he visited Mr. Peairs's house? He is the person who 
knew best whether he was understanding Mr. Peairs was aiming at him
with a real gun or a toy gun, how he understood Mr. Peairs's word,
"Freeze!", and why he moved when he was told to freeze.

   I wonder why you suspected my feeling that way. Is that because I am
Japanese? Or are you somehow trying to label me as a racist by making 
whatever biased distortion and deletion that you can make as you did
in another posting?

Michiaki Masuda
From: GunBuste@cyberweb.UUCP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: IS this
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 10:37:30 PST


SUB still recieving?

Hajimemashite!

Ikaga Desu Ka? Anyone?

So, anyone like the new pop group in Japan...they're
call "TUBE", their music is really nice....gotta
listen to them!!
From: claude.hunter@nitelog.com (Claude Hunter) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Sea of East, Korea, J
Date: 4 Nov 92 19:43:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Nitelog BBS - Monterey, CA - 408-655-1096
Reply-To: claude.hunter@nitelog.com (Claude Hunter) 

JH>Chinese call it the Sea of Japan (Riben Hai = Ilbon Hae).  In
JH>Chinese, the "East Sea" (Dong Hai) refers to the waters east
JH>of China and south of Korea. My question is, what do the Koreans
JH>call _that_ sea, i.e, the waters south of Chejudo ?

Koreans call the sea between Korean and Japan the East Sea (Dong Hae)
and the sea to the south of Korea that is between Korea and Japan is
called the South Sea (Nam Hae).  The sea between Korea and China is
called the Yellow Sea (Hwang Hae).

Claude
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai)
Subject: Re: A Japanese student killed in Lousiana
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:22:44 GMT

In article <Bx82G5.Jqv@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!) writes:
>>I'm sure the criminals would laugh in your face if you try to tell
>>them when not to shoot.
>
>In which case maybe that person shouldnt be allowed to own a gun.

You know, RT, maybe you have something there. How stupid of us
Americans not to think of the good ideas they implement in Canada.

Just pass a law to prevent criminals from owning guns. That's it!

I think I'll write a letter to my congressman.

Oh, do you think we can solve our drug problem this way too?

-- 
My opinions are my own.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii)
Subject: Why does LDP fear the Right?
Keywords: LDP,right-wing
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:08:39 GMT

I apologize if this gets posted twice. The first one seem to have disappeared
into thin cyberspace, or perhaps LDP is secretly monitoring and censoring this
group :-)

Recently, the incidence regarding the LPD asking a yakuza (gang) organization
to silence the Koumintou (a right-wing group) has been getting much attention.
LDP leaders did this, supposedly, to quiet the loudspeaker trucks of Koumintou
which were broadcasting mocking remarks about Mr. Takeshita, who was being
positioned to be the prime minister.  

My question: What is so scary about loud trucks?

Did they fear public opinion?  The former would be hard to swallow in view
of forced ouster of popular PM like Mr. Kaifu.  What was so important that
they risked such contact (with yakuza)?  Or maybe such contact was common
place, "order of the day", "how things got done"?
From: masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday in English
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:59:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncifcrf.BxMtJI.ByM
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center

In article <2195@wakasato.cs.shinshu-u.ac.jp> nakano@suncom1.cs.shinshu-u.ac.jp (NAKANO Yasuaki) writes:

>KO-KI
>A word to express the age of 70

>SAN-ZYU
>A word to express the age of 80

>SOTU-ZYU
>A word to express the age of 90

>HAKU-ZYU
>A word to express the age of 99

   What about "Ki-jyu", with "ki" being "yoroko[bi] (delight)."
The chinese character for "yorokobi" is sometimes written as three
characters for "nana (seven)" arranged in a triangular form. A slight
deformation makes it look like ... 77. 

   How about "Bei-jyu" (pronounced like English "beige"), with "bei"
being "kome (rice)." Please think of a Chinese character for rice...

   Yes, the answer is 88.

--Michiaki
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: Japanese exchange student killed in Louisiana...
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:01:27 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.japan

As quoted from <Bx61H8.3G1@ncifcrf.gov> by masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda):

>    I agree that the Japanese society seems to me to be more reasonable
> regarding the gun control. However, most Americans just don't care what
> others are doing. Comparing a defect of the American society with
> a merit of the foreign system is not a popular argument in the US. 

Exactly, it seems TOO YOU.  Restricting womens' career choices and making
people born in your country carry alien IDs may seem reasonable to you as
well.  Many of US consider it egregious.  

> I think that there are many Americans who believe that there is nothing
> wrong with the gun control in the US. What appears ridiculous to us could
> be completely normal to their eyes.
> 
And maybe it ISN'T ridiculous HERE.

>    After the exchange student incidence, there seems to be a lot of
> pressure from the Japanese side regarding the gun control in the US, but
> I doubt its effect. Americans would not be willing to listen to
> what "unreasonable" Japanese are chirping unless it accompanies money.
> 
If I tell you to make all of the Koreans citizens and appologize for forced
prostitution and make restitution, are you going to do it just because I 
say so?

> too persuasively nor too effectively. (Since we don't have a civil right
> here in the US, we cannot say an effective word anyway.) Pushing the
> gun-happies by insisting the ban of gun possession could have even an
> adverse effect (they might even shoot us!). 
> 
This is assinine and insulting.  Gee, maybe we shouldn't criticize the Japanese
because they might bomb Pearl Harbor again or make us go on the Bataan Death
March.  I don't plan to indulge in this kind of thing, but I just thought you
might like to see that you don't win friends by gratuitous insult.  NOBODY
here has threatened to shoot you.  If you don't try to break into my apartment
or commit some other anti-social act, it isn't likely that I would.
> 


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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: e-mail pen pals
Date: 8 Nov 92 23:58:06 GMT
Reply-To: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

[* Actually, I forget what the original Subject: line was because I *]
[* tried to reply to the post in mail. But it bounced to bot the    *]
[* addresses given so I'm posting it here.                          *]

In newsgroups soc.culture.japan, sascaa@cecropia.unx.sas.com
(Consuelo Arellano) writes:

>This is posted for a friend. Please contact him for
>further info.

>From: Brian Quinby <quinby@imsasun.imsa.edu>

>Can anyone out there acess soc.culture.japan? I can't and wonder if there
>is someone who might send them as message for me. The message is as
>follows:

>The Illinois Mathematics and Science Academy is looking for high schools in
>Japan who are connected to internet/bitnet for the purposes of setting up
>e-mail pen pals between students taking Japanese at the Academy and
>students in Japan. The Academy is the only three year, public, residential
>high school in the United States for gifted and talented students. Japanese
>is one of the most popular languages taught and we would like to have the
>opportunity for our students to talk to kids in Japan. If interested,
>please contact Brian Quinby at <quinby@imsasun.imas.edu> Thank you.

I hate to disappoint you but as far as I know there are no high
schools connected to any network in Japan (maybe there are some, but
I don't know of any). In fact, most high schools are just now
thinking about getting personal computers but they haven't been able
to find any teachers so they are waiting for the new college
graduates who will be required to have 100 hours of training. But
the schools which are supposed to be giving that training are just
getting geared up as they don't have anybody qualified to teach the
teachers. 

Get the picture?

There is AGENE (Association of Global Electronic Networking
Educators) which is more or less independently trying to do
something.  They will be having their annual meeting on Dec 6th in
Osaka and you might try sending them a propsal. Not sure who the
best person is but you might try Yoichi Tshuji <76004.2516@compuserve.com>. 

From personal experience, I would strongly suggest thinking of
making the communication bilingual as many/most/all of the people I
talked with want (their students) to learn English and don't see any
point in having them communciate in Japanese. This is probably due
to the fact that they are English teachers: I don't come in contact
with any Japanese teachers. In addition, I have three HS students
who come over to my house to use my equipment and they have no
interest in communicating in Japanese (no sample, only an
indication). Thus you might want to see if you can find native-speakers 
of Japanese on NiftyServe or PC-VAN (in Japanese, naturally). 

Only an idea.

Dave

--
Dave McLane 
JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda)
Subject: Re: A Japanese student killed in Lousiana
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 20:24:21 GMT

In article <BxAqxx.2nM@NCoast.ORG> cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton) writes:
>As quoted from <Bx6rqE.LF6@ncifcrf.gov> by masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda):

>>    Even if it's true that the number is not large, those cases are still a
>> tragedy. If there's a way to decrease the number, wouldn't it be
>> reasonable to go for it?

>Doesn't it matter what that way IS?  We could just as easily require all 
>Japanese in the US to have an escort at all times.  They would be forbidden
>to travel without one?  Would you accept that?

   According to the report available to me, the student was kind of escorted
(by the son of his host family). But sometimes, it just doesn't work.
(I don't mean to blame the American boy, at all.) 
   It's the choice that the US could make whether to request a foreign (or
only Japanese) traveller to have an escort or not. We cannot interfere
with it. It's Japanese's choice whether to make a trip in the US with an 
escort or to go to somewhere else.
 
>>    If the person who shot Yoshi Hattori had received a better training,
>> they might not have had to make someone who could be judged as a murderer 
>> out of those who want to defend themselves.  

>And again they might have.  Police in the US have shot people under similar
>circumstances.  They were ruled justificed too.

   I didn't know that this case was already ruled.

--Michiaki