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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Possible Foundation movie?
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:48:58 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <urf.714728061@sw2001> urf@icl.se (Urban F) writes:
>lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow) writes:
>
>>With good results:
>>  Blade Runner ("Do Androids....")
>Well, it is a good movie, but did it have all that much to do with the book?
>
>>Any other examples?
>
>I'd like to nominate as a good example:
>   The Shape of Things to Come
>
>and as a bad example:
>   20 000 Leagues Under the Sea
>
>>Any other science fiction classics you'd like to see transported to
>>the screen, and think they could be done well?
>
>Is is too soon to nominate Friday as a classic? I also think Glory Road

Yeah, but what the heck.  I'd nominate that masterpiece of hard science
fiction, Mote in God's Eye.  Tho' it'd probably be butchered, very
expensive, and have to be six hours long to do the book justice.

GMS
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From: ied1@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ingrid de Beus)
Subject: Re: Best shots wanted
Reply-To: ied1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:15:57 GMT

Hmm.. Terry Gilliam has done some incredible things with camera and film.
There are many shots in Brazil that rely on editing and special effects
that belong in this compedium, but the Gilliam shot that sticks in my mind
right now is a few seconds from The Fisher King.  This is somewhere in the
middle of the movie, when the point-of-view is Perry's.  I think it's the
first appearance of the Red Knight (might be the second).  At any rate, 
the shot in which the Red Knight appears, charging down the street at
Perry/the viewer, achieves the height of surrealistic terror, imho.  I
really felt that the Red Knight was more real than anything else that
had happened on the screen.  

And the ballroom/Grand Central station, already mentioned in this thread,
was also really cool.  

Another great shot: near the beginning of Henry V, by Kenneth Branagh,
King Henry is striding down a hallway, flanked by guards.  The doors
are opened for him, and the next shot is of him, silhouetted in the
doorway, from the otherside.  The effect is very dramatic (the music
doesn't hurt 8^) ).  

Another great shot: Tim Burton has a lot to learn about plot, but he's
got this camera-movement thing down.  The scene were the Avon Lady first
braves the House on the hill in Edward Scissorhands is beautifully shot.
Edward's garden could have looked really stupid, but somehow the shot
came out lending a very sweet, very sad tone to something as inherently
goofy as sculpted bushes.

I'll stop now.





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From: Douglas.Johnson@f31.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Douglas Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Best shots wanted
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:09:00 GMT

Ok here are three:

The final shot of Psycho when they are dragging the car out of the
water, if one looks closely, there is a skull that fades in and out of
view.

The battle scene in Love and Death when Boris (Woody Allen) says: "Boy,
the battle certainly looks different down here than it does to the
generels up on the hill."  The scene cuts from a group of soldiers
running across the battlefield to a herd of sheep as the POV changes
from Boris to the generals on the hill.

And the ultimate in great sequences (although I am not particularly fond
of the movie) - the Odessa Steps sequence in Battleship Potempkin by
Sergei Eisenstein.
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From: dhawk@netcom.com (David Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Film with the least actors
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 04:08:47 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na

My Dinner With Andre had 3 -- Andre, Wally, and the waiter.

later, david
--
David Hawkins    dhawk@netcom.com
They who give have all things; they who withhold have nothing.  
                      -- Hindu proverb
From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Least women in movie!
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:40:02 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Aug29.172106.153869@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> jm0i@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOSEPH ALOYSIUS MCVEIGH) writes:
>hafner@ifi.unizh.ch (Michel Hafner) writes:
>>Which movie has the least women in its cast?
>>
>>"Streamers" by Robert Altman: Zero! ( And many others.... )

Now, Year of Living Dangerously had Helen Hunt in it, who is pretty
darn small.

Of course, if you mean "fewest" women, then that's entirely different.

GMS
From: rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: great voices
Date: 27 Aug 92 03:22:34 GMT
Organization: Gallaudet University

In a recent discussion of "field of dreams" I was struck by a memory ... I 
think that movie may have the two best voices in all of Moviedom,

James Earl Jones
Burt Lancaster

Other great voices... Jack Palance
remember Clu Gulagar (badly spelled...)

I also remember being in love with June Allison's voice when I was a kid...

who else do you like?

rlwilliams@gallua
From: twain@milton.u.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: sex in movies
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:44:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep2.214437.15609
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Sep2.140249.23873@ms.uky.edu> fehr@ms.uky.edu 
(Jeff Davis) writes:
>>> Well, yes. Let us not dissemble any longer. I wish there was less
>>> on-screen sex in the movies. 
>
>>> For a moment we are not watching
>>> a character in a story, we are watching two human beings with
>>> families, longings, histories etc. 
>
>We are not completely unsocial creatures, I suppose. Nor w/o imagination.
>Take "The Awful Truth" for example. Toward the end, we have Irene Dunne
>snug in her bed. We have Cary Grant on the outside longing to get in.
>Irene Dunne lowers her eyelids fetchingly. There are hints of romantic
>ardor. We need no more. We have certain understandings as social creatures
>who are hep to the boundary lines of what one can fill with the
>ellipses of imagination. Current movies break down, ill advisedly I feel,
>those taboos. I imagine a world where manners and taboos were seen
>as protecting the helpless and gracing one's days, rather than as
>simple Puritanical hypocrisy.
>
>Follow-ups are requested to state as nakedly as I have their own
>answer to the above forked question.

You're on, Jeff, and I'm with you: I don't like to watch people making 
love.  Call me a prude, call me an ol' silly, call me Halvin, but it 
makes me feel like a voyeur, it makes me feel uncomfortable.  When I 
see lips as big as Volkswagens engaging in a collision, or watch a 
large pair of hands rambling over a pair of full bare breasts, it just 
totally throws me out of the story, I'm no longer thinking about the 
characters, I'm thinking about the *actors*.  And this makes me 
Nervous, I feel as if I'm violating someone's privacy.  Doesn't matter 
if I'm watching with someone else, or by myself.  I just don't like it. 

To me the two most powerfully erotic scenes in recent movies are the 
barn dance scene in "Witness" and the scene in "Atlantic City" in 
which Burt Lancaster is kneeling in front of Susan Sarandon and 
describing to her how he used to furtively watch her rub her arms 
with cut lemons after a hard day in the fast fish biz.  Wow! 

Oh, and the scene in "Impromptu" in which Chopin shares with George 
Sand his reasons for wishing to remain celibate -- I found something 
so moving in this too-rare occurrence of a man and a woman actually 
talking seriously together about something important to them.  

I have stated before that most people fatally underestimate the 
erotic potential of talk. 

More talk, less action!  

--Barbara
From: sasha.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: RE: Best Shots
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:03:59 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

A TOUCH OF EVIL - The opening sequence is *fantastic*.  Go see for 
                  yourself.


                                     - Sasha



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From: fox@cs.nyu.edu (David Fox)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:17:02 GMT
	<1992Sep2.014528.13716@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>
Organization: Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences

In article <1992Sep2.014528.13716@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> nudd@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Nai Ying Kwok) writes:

   David Fox (fox@cs.nyu.edu) wrote:
   : 
   : Still, it was a lot better than Star Trek 5, Prospero's Books,
   : or Cool World (which I completely blocked out having paid to
   : see, until someone mentioned it. Thanks a lot, buddy.)

   COME ON!  Propspero's Books was a great film.  Visually incredible!
   Typical visual artistry from the great Peter Greenaway.

I guess we all respond to different things.  I feel I must stick up
for a film someone else mentioned in this thread: "Pee-Wee's Big
Adventure."  It is clearly a thing some like and some hate: there were
people walking out of the theatre as we watched.  But the only other
movie I've ever laughed so hard at is "Raising Arizona," (which no-one
walked out on.)

Anyone want to stick up for Star Trek 5 or Cool World?  I'm
embarassed for having watched "Dune" so many times. (4?  5?)
Every time I say "gosh this stinks", but I keep coming back
for special extended editions and what not.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
From: donnell@squid.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Organization: none
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 05:12:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.041301.9425@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sboiarsk@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sean L Boiarski) writes:
>After my admition that Highlander II was one of the most embarasing films of my
>cinematic life:
>
>>>You can say that again! I can't imagine Sean Connery (of all people)
>>>running around muttering crap like .." Warriors of the planet Zoist.."
>>>Can't they find a more dignified name for a planet ?!! But my ultimate
>>>worst movie was a cheap Z-grade piece of shit which I can't even re-
>>>member the name. It was about an Egyptian curse (or something) and
>>>the bad guy (or girl, can't recall) places a beetle on the good guys
>>>chest and the beetle burrows its way into the guys chest. That's all
>>>I remember.
>>>
>>>The one that comes pretty close is Poltergeist III.
>>>
>>>kelvyn
>>
>>If you can't believe Sean Connery would do HL II, check out that John
>>Boorman atrocity , "Zardoz". His dialogue in that is even worse, but
>>it does feature a lot of nudity and colorful, psychedelic effects.
>>
>>                        --Judex--
>
>Actually, I kinda liked Zardoz. Don't hate me, its just that I was in that kind
>of mood. It was three A.M. and I was watching "Night Owl Theatre", Fritz warned
>me that it was really bad, so I dug in with my Coke and prepared myself for 
>some good B-film action. Sort of like an acid trip, but with stranger 
>conections (hope nobady dislikes this spoiler) espesially the wizard of OZ 
>thing.
>
>Sean

I never said that I didn't enjoy it. I enjoyed "HL II", to get down to it.
I just didn't think Zardoz was any good. The role was written for Burt Reynolds,
and Sean doesn't do that good an impersonation of him, although without his
toupee, there was a bit of resemblance. I laughesd for days about this one.
He is the mightiest warrior of his tribe, and all the Techno-Women want   
what he hides under his loincloth. It was obviously not made to be taken too
seriously. Your comment about an Acid trip is right on: I think it was made to
be a head film, and screw any plot/acting/scripting/etc... that would get in
the way of trippy effects. fun, but not good.

					--Judex--
From: eric@npri6.npri.com (Eric Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me (minor spoilers)
Summary: horsies
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:35:49 GMT
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA

Insurance for those with high spoiler intolerance:

In article <1992Sep1.022759.106489@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, jm0i@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOSEPH ALOYSIUS MCVEIGH) writes:
>>What is the symbolism of the White Horse that Mrs. Palmer sees in her visions?
> Sarah had a vision of a white horse (i.e. a horse with white hair). Some
> horses carry people on their backs. Leland, who is "carrying" BOB, had his 
> hair go white later in the Twin Peaks chronology.
> Whaddya think?

A friend of mine pointed out that the old expression "to see a pale horse"
means one is dying/near death. (I've never heard it before, but that
doesn't make it untrue!) Since Sarah saw a "pale horse" before the
Maddy's murder (and now Laura's), I think this interpretation makes sense.

-------- eric@npri.com ---------- or ---------- ...uunet!uupsi!npri6!eric -----
                       "The owls are not what they seem."                       
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From: jxxl@huxley.cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: "Irrelevant" scenes (was Re: sex in movies)
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:27:46 GMT
Reply-To: jxxl@cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA

thogek@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Thomas Kiefer) writes:
# In article <6073@huxley.cs.nps.navy.mil> jxxl@cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke) writes:
# >I didn't make the assertion, but I'll argue the point. The harm is to
# >the artistic integrity of the film. The film should contain only those
# >incidents and characters that further the plot and its themes. Anything
# >else is irrelevant and draws the viewer away from the essence of the
# >work, which is artistically counterproductive.

# But realistic.

Literal realism is boring. Try looking out your window for two hours if
you don't believe me. A film, on the other hand, distills reality down to
some set of dramatic elements chosen by the filmmakers.

# In real life (which most films are trying to get you to
# believe their story could exist in, so you'll be interested), a particular
# plot will hardly ever be the only thing going on, and to depict it as such
# is unreal.  Some background development/characterization is necessary (to
# me, anyway) to show that other life is going on (if it is).  Okay, an orgy
# in the background might be unnecessarily distracting, but showing someone
# cooking or cleaning or having another discussion through a background
# apartment window could be perfectly realistic.  Just like putting cars other
# than the main characters' on the road, putting people other than the main
# characters on the sidewalk, etc., make things a little more believable.

I don't think anyone would dispute the value of realistic backgrounds. They
are certainly not irrelevant, unless they contain dramatic elements that
do not propel the story forward. And that is the defect with the sexual
elements of many films. The sexual elements are sensational, but the story
is often stalled by them rather than advanced.

John
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From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: <None>
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:15:45 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.movies
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <1992Sep3.173538.6983@tamsun.tamu.edu>, jeff@jeckle.tamu.edu 
(Jeff Raymond) writes:

> Nigel Terry portrayed King Arthur.  

He is probably best known for playing the weasely little brother in 
_The Lion In Winter_.  I thought he was dreadful in both movies.

Ob Trivia: _The Lion in Winter_ featured the screen debuts of both 
Timothy Dalton AND Anthony Hopkins.  Katherine Hepburn won an Oscar 
for her role...actually she split the best actress award that year.
With Barbara Striesand.  Bleeeah.

Greg Bole                                    "The ants in the grass, they
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu                  were just doing their thing."
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From: mcohen@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Bob Roberts: wide release/date?
Organization: Clark University
Date: 30 AUG 92 20:58:28 GMT

Siskel & Ebert reviewed Bob Roberts, the Tim Robbins story of a scummy 
politician, so I'm guessing it will be out shortly.  I've been waiting for it 
since it was received well at Cannes.  (BTW, two thumbs up from S&E).  Does 
anyone know the release date of Bob Roberts, and if the film is getting a wide 
release?  

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From: ken@batman.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Possible Foundation movie?
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:02:40 GMT
Reply-To: ken@batman.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Austin


otto@jybox.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) posts:

#shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich) writes:
#
#> I would rather not see "The Forever War". I didn't like the book at
all, sort
#> of like a black-and-white leftist answer to Heinlein's "Starship Troopers". 
#
#I really liked it.  I didn't think it was very leftist (well, over here we
#all look like goddam-pinko-commies, compared to the average american :-)
#but all and all I thought it made a lot more sense than "Starship Troopers".
#The comic book isn't bad, either.


I agree. I didn't see it as "leftist" or whatever. It was, however,
the flip side of "Starship Troopers" which was much more gung-ho
and flag-wavey than "Forever War."


#> Now a REAL version of "Starship Troopers" is another story.
#
#What I'd like to see is the parody of "Starship Troopers", "Bil the Galactic
#Hero" (two L's is for officers)!  And the way they've been cranking out those
#continuation books, we may still see it.


I'd take either one - "Starship Troopers" (I'd rather see it as a movie)
or "Forever War." Some kind of battle armor film needs to be made!
And these two are great books with more going on than an action plot.


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From: leeper@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (mark.r.leeper)
Subject: RAIN MAN argument revisited
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 15:16:13 GMT

Some of you may remember an involved discussion (argument?) I was
involved in over my review of RAIN MAN.  At that time I questioned
whether an ability like Raymond's should really be considered a really
negative disfunction.  In fact Raymond had some very impressive
talents, many of which I admired and I prefer to think that his mind,
while very different from my own, might well be functioning perfectly
well and just different from the way mine works.  I believe at that
time there was a woman from U. of Texas at Austin who seemed very irate
that I was unsure that what Raymond had was really disfunction.

There is a very nice discussion of this whole question I just read
this morning.  It is in the book THE MAN WHO MISTOOK HIS WIFE FOR A
HAT by Oliver Sachs.  The book is a fascinating collection of
neurological case histories and should be readily available.   The
section in question is "The Twins."  It is about autistic twins with
some pretty incredible mathematical powers of which Sachs and I are
both in awe.  I think this book may also have been a bestseller for a
while.

(Sachs also wrote the book AWAKENINGS, incidentally, which was at
least nominally the inspiration for the film of the same title.  It
should be noted that the film did have a few details actually taken
from the book.  The film was not made up from the whole cloth.  But
it was at least made up from the half cloth.)

If there is discussion on this subect, can you copy my in via e-mail.
I will be off the net for about a week and a half.)


			Mark Leeper
			...att!mtgzy!leeper
			(201)957-5619
From: jm0i@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOSEPH ALOYSIUS MCVEIGH)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: "Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me"
Date: 29 Aug 92 18:47:53 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

According to the New York Times, "This may not be the worst movie ever. But it
sure seems that way."

Saw it last (Opening) night. Goofy, disjointed, aimless, creepy, histrionic;
in turn groundless, stupid, engrossing, confusing, illuminating, and
clarifying.

There was sufficient imagery and plot to forge either a "Chien Andalou"-type
disturbing, stream-of-consciousness study of cruelty (to self and others) or a
disturbing, cohesive study of human deterioration. Instead, trying to do both
accomplished neither.

David lynched his own creation......is he mocking himself by mocking Leland?

Naah.
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From: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Dr. Strangelove question
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:13:24 GMT
Organization: Ohio University School of Art. Athens

In article <2BNeqB3w164w@fatcity.cts.com> kfree@fatcity.cts.com (Kenneth Freeman) writes:
>00njhavert@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>
>> 
>> 	Okay, who played the Russian ambassador in "Dr. Strangelove",
>> and what was he doing with that stopwatch type-thing at the end?
>> 
>> Nik
>
> 
>Taking covert photos.

I always felt (still do, actually) that it was a bomb. This would of course 
cause a huge 'bungling politicians and generals' gap. 



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From: mbrockma@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt Brockman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Film with the least actors
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:03:10 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Bambi Meets Godzilla. None.


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