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From: Robert.Wood@f17.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Robert Wood)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: new subject-politics!
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 01:20:08 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/17 - NASAU Beach CBIS, Huntsville AL

-> I agree voter education is a good idea. However, I see no reason 
-> why we cannot do both, education and term limits. I do not think 
-> term limits is the best solution, but given realistic other 
-> possible solutions, it is the one that is mostly likely to work.


     I'm not saying that I'm completely against the idea.  I'm just not sure that it would actually be a productive move... yet.

REW



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From: wilsonk@infonode.ingr.com (Keith Wilson)
Subject: Re: Reagen?  Lousy actor or lousy president.
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 12:42:07 GMT

In article <wiley.702742634@crooks>, wiley@crooks.b11.ingr.com (Dave Wiley) writes:
> >Dave Wiley wrote to All:
> 
> >DW:Perot's contention is that the government is the United States  
> >DW:largest business, and that huge deficits and other forms of  
> >DW:mismanagement are to be expected as long as we keep electing lawyers  
> >DW:and actors to run it.
> Bryan.Durio@p0.f7.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bryan Durio) writes:
> 
> >I take great exception to that characterization.  Ronald Reagan has an  
> >economics degree!!!  He knew what to do regarding the economy, did it,  
> >but it didn't suit the Socialists (i.e., the Democrats) because it  
> >didn't have enough giveaways, so they bitched about, and concentrated  
> >on, his early career as an actor.
> A degree?  Oooh.  I'm all a tingle!
> 
> He promised: Increased military budget, less taxes, smaller deficit,
> 	streamlined social programs, economic prosperity.
> 
> What he did: Financed short term economic prosperity and the military
> 	budget with massive deficits.  He "streamlined" social programs
> 	not to mention education by pushing the burden onto the states
> 	without giving them any help paying for it.
> 
> The man was a farging economic genius.  We'll be reaping the rewards
> of his fiscal mismanagement for years to come.
> 
> --
> david wiley               "As well as only operating on one level, the floor

			SUMMARY:

1)  Bring on the next lucky contestant, how can he/she/it be worse than R.R.?
2)  At with Reagan, you knew where the money was going 
	(er ugh: I can't remember.  Iranian arms what?  Cash for hostages who?)
3)  "Read my lips, no new taxes..".  Yea, right!  
	Don't you mean, no new term?
4)  Name something that Bill Clinton, Dan Qualye, and Jane Fonda all have in
    common.

	None of them served our country in Vietnam... 

Keith (give me liberty or give me taxes) Wilson

#4 borrowed from the local bay of humor 
	(not to be confused with JFKs bay of pigs)

PS: Wasnt it Castro who said, "What this country needs is a good 5 cent cigar"?

ANS:	Er ugh: I can't remember...

   

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From: tensmekl@infonode.ingr.com (Kermit Tensmeyer)
Subject: Re: Term limits
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:50:57 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.175849.20097@infonode.ingr.com> tj@alpine.b17a.ingr.com writes:
>
>No, what it will do is move even more political power into the hands 
>of unelected bureaucrats.  When Congressman Moe is forced to leave 
>because of term limits, and Congressman Larry takes his place, you can
>bet that Mr. Larry is going to hire most, if not all, of the aides 
>that were working for Mr. Moe.  The long serving aides will work with 
>the long-serving aides of the other congressional seats, not caring 
>who fills those seats, and not having to answer to any voters, 
>advising the seatholder on what to do next.  A lot of this goes on 
>now, but it will explode under term limits.  
>
 When CongressCritter Curley votes on a bill, (minor or major) he votes
 as he is told to by the Varmit Aid who has been following the bill.
 Every Senator has 15-30 aids who follow the bill and the debate on the
 bill. Did you think that each senator knows what's going on all the time?

 Have your been watching C-Span? The house and senate floors are empty
 most of the time and yet each congresscritter gets to vote "intelligently"
 on each of the bills?  Not likly.

 Have you tried to meet with a congresscritter at 9 am on Monday morning.
 It just doesn't happen  The congresscritter is meeting with his aids
 He gives them the general marching orders (which most ignore) and they
 do most of the leg work. He get's the spotlight and they do the work.
 He leaves office and they stay.

 Most of the decisons as to what will or won't be done has been decided by
 the point a new CongressCritter has choosen his staff. If they could they
 could vote the way that he would have voted if he had been there.
 No it's the permanent staff on Captiol Hill, the senate building and
 the Pentagon that make most of the real decisions on how to take care of
 business. The temporay residents only *think* that they are in charge!



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From: John.Emmert@f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Emmert)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: hsv.politics
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 18:11:35 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

In a message of <Apr 07 06:18>, John Blumer (1:373/2) writes: 


 >My main reason is that most boards do not carry all the echos, such as 
 >H_Politics. Thus making it hard for others to reply. In the case of 
 >H_Politics I have never seen it on the boards that I normally call, 
 >although I have never looked for it.

Blame that on me. Due to limitations on disk space, I haven't carried some 
of the other local areas. I've just recieved my new motherboard back from 
being repaired under warranty, and with luck should have the new 650 
megabyte drive online soon. BTW, is the second line making it any easier 
to get on, and have you noticed any problems with it? 



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From: John.Blumer@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Blumer)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: hsv.politics
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 06:25:59 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

 > soon. BTW, is the second line making it any easier to get
 > on, and have you noticed any problems with it?
 
Since switching over to your second line, I have noticed that it 
is a lot easier to log on.  I have noticed no problems at all!



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Newsgroups: hsv.general
From: lester@naomi.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Les Bartel)
Subject: Re: Politics...
Reply-To: lester@naomi.b23b.ingr.com
Organization: Dazix, An Intergraph Company
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:17:48 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.164850.14803@infonode.ingr.com>, tensmekl@infonode.ingr.com (Kermit Tensmeyer) writes:
|> 
|> I don't think that the problem will be solved until we can get good 'ol
|> None of the Above on every ballot in the country. If we could vote 
|> against Bush without voting for a Buchannen or a Clinton, .....

While your idea would be a good protest, it would be better to not only
take a vote away from Bush, but give it to someone else.  For example
if 10 people voted for Bush and the rest voted for none-of-the-above,
Bush would win (right?).  On second thought if none-of-the-above won,
would the policy state that additional candidates be selected (and
existing candidates removed from the ballots), and the election redone?

It has some possibilities as well as problems.

 - Les

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Newsgroups: ingr.general,hsv.general
From: james@raveup.b24a.ingr.com (Teddie James)
Subject: Gator Mail
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Distribution: hsv
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:41:17 GMT

Does anyone have any information about Gatormail?  A friend of mine is
interested in any literature, etc.

Thanks,

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From: John.Blumer@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Blumer)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Term limits
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 07:33:27 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

ATZ
>|> That would be a first. When a new congressman comes in
>|> they almost always bring in new aides.
 
>Sure, Mr. Larry is going to bring a few key people with him, to 

reward
>them for working in his campaign or whatever.  But Mr. Moe's aides,
>knowing they won't be working for Mr. Moe anymore, will be trying 

to
>hitch themselves to the next rising star.  So it's not inconceivable
>that Mr. Moe's aides might be actively working in Mr. Larry's
 
Not inconceivable, but very unlikely. I doubt even in Washington
will you find very many examples of an aide working for theirs
boss's opposition.
 
>......
 
>|>
>|> How would it explode under term limits? Using your own
>|> argument that aides cause problems, term limits wold greatly
>|> help. Surely you agree that their is greater turn over in aides
>|> when some one new comes in, rather than if the incumbant gets
>|> re-elected.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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From: Christopher.Baker@umagic.FIDONET.ORG (Christopher Baker)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: New ChateauNet Files
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 19:17:53 CDT
Organization: Micro Magic

> PKZ201.EXE    04/06/92  (109,760 Bytes)       Origin: 100:4000/501
> CHATGEN  NEW Released Version of PKzip (NOT A BETA COPY!) Version 2.
 
i just left the PKWare BBS. this IS a BOGUS hack that has been floating 
around for some time. there is NO version 2.anything released at this time!
 
 
you'd better find out who inserted this into the system because the 
credibility of that network is now in major jeapordy and i don't mean 
maybe.
 
TTFN.
Chris

(1:374/14)

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From: Charles.Stagg@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Charles Stagg)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: For Sale
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 16:21:04 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

For Sale:
-
2 40 Meg Hard Disks $200.00 each
One is a Segate ST251-1
The other is a Control Data 94205-51
-
A Perstor Hard Drive/Floppy Controller PS180-16FN $175.00
This is a 16bit ARLL Controller.  It will format either of the above
drives to 78Megs vice the 40Megs a regular MFM controller gets.
Address of controller BIOS can be changed to D800:0 vice C800:0 
for use with 16 bit video controllers.
Floppy part can be disabled.  Tests for best interleave
-
Also have a case for mounting the drives externally.  Case holds 2
1/2 height drives.  Has power supply, 3 power connectors and fan.
Will sell for $50.00
-
I'm advertising these locally before I raise the price to cover
shipping.
-
Charles Stagg
8-5 M-F 726-2022
Eve/Wkends 883-7782   Answering machins on both.



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From: Robert.Follis@p0.f14.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Robert Follis)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: New subject-Politics!
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 06:35:46 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/14.0 - The Aviation BBS, Meridianville AL

LB> And not only that, the candidates can say they will/won't do certain
LB> things, but if Congress doesn't approve, tough noogies.  I know, I
LB> know, we need to write our Congress people, and tell them what we
LB> want.  But still, that doesn't always override their personal agendas.
 
Lest ye all forget,

Midnight payraises
House banking
House Post Office (you've not heard the last of this yet)
Base non-closings (pork)

All self serving to congressmen and their agendas.

What a bunch of deadbeats!!! Yes that means your congressman and senator 
too. Don't thae the attitudethat yours is ok it everybodies causing the 
problem. Cause yours is a slimy as the rest vote,the bum out and give a 
good man or woman a chance in the slime.

Ladies and Gentleman, introducing "TERM LIMITATIONS" the killer of the 
congress Social Club. Term Limitations--it's so damn simple.

Let's quit grandfathering the jerks into positions of power. 
Let's quit sending 98% of them back to office every election.

This ain't nothin' new, a mental midget could figure it out.

THE CLOWN DON'T CARE WHAT WE THINK ANYMORE!!!!!!

They know we'll forget.

Not me and I hope not you.

Bob Follis


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Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Registering me on gateway.
From: gary@cdthq.UUCP (Gary Heston)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 19:46:27 CDT
Organization: Garys' Home for Obsolete Computers

random@presto.UUCP (Jeff W. Hyche) writes:

> In article <4433.29E58430@umagic.FIDONET.ORG>, Robby Sperr writes:
> 
> > I have been leaving messages for you on Gateway for I don't know how long!
> >  Will you PLEASE register me?  I would like to get some files from your boa
> > but I am not registered there!  I use to be registered, but all of the sudd
> >  I'm a "NEW USER".
> > 
> 
> Ahhh.  Another poor slob comes crawling out of the pool to scratch at
> the door only to be turned out in the cold, left to die by the
> unfeeling god of the bbs.  All hail all hail all hail
> 
> Advice find a new board.

Board hell, get on usenet. Forget the small-time stuff.... :-)

Gary Heston, at home....
gary@cdthq.uucp
From: Rov.Saurus@umagic.FIDONET.ORG (Rov Saurus)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Term limits
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 14:23:06 CDT
Organization: Micro Magic

Why are we debating this side issue? I've seen some very good reasons 
For and Against term limits.  (In the end I come down against them, But 
who cares?)
If you want a change so dramatic and fundimental as term limts you must 
have a reason.  Why?  What is so wrong today that you want to change it?
 
I can hear the clicking of keyboards from far and wide on that one!
 
I do agree there are *major* problems. But what do you want to 
accomplish once we have (if we have) term limits?  What do you want 
done differently?  How do you propose getting the coutry back "onto the 
right track". What will this new breed of congress people do so great?
 
That is what we need to be talking about.  What do we want the 
government to do.  And most importantly (NOT do).
 
-rov-



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From: Robby.Sperr@f4.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Robby Sperr)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: *67
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 16:23:00 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/4 - The Aim High BBS, Huntsville AL

How much did you pay for yours?



                <<<***### Robby Sperr ###***>>>


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From: mwm@infonode.ingr.com (Michael W. Metheny)
Subject: A Thousand Point of Lights (was Re: Hsvl/Madison County Money)
Reply-To: mwm@mwmeth.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp.
Distribution: hsv
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:28:54 GMT

Regarding the discussion of lighting of I-565 (which in my opinion is
certainly overdone on the straight stretches [a pole every 90 feet or so!]
but much needed at the interchanges), and just in case you missed it,
a contract has been awarded to light the interstate from the hwy. 20
interchange by Wonder Bread west to Wall Triana hwy. out here in Madison 
at a cost of over one million dollars.  This was reported in the Hsv.
Times a couple of weeks ago in one of the side column articles.

Talk about a waste, hey, but it's jobs, jobs, jobs, and the government 
rescuing our foundering economy.  BTW, which government entitiy pays for 
the electricity from our tax bill anyway.

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From: Chris.Spray@p0.f14.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Chris Spray)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: hsv.politics
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 15:57:09 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/14.0 - The Aviation BBS, Meridianville AL

JB> My main reason is that most boards do not carry all the echos, such as
JB> H_Politics. Thus making it hard for others to reply. In the case of
JB> H_Politics I have never seen it on the boards that I normally call,
JB> although I have never looked for it.

None of the boards carried H_Religion, either.


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From: cottle@b11.ingr.com (Tim Cottle)
Subject: Re: Hsvl/Madison County Money
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:18:39 GMT

In article <4454.29E8D677@umagic.FIDONET.ORG>, Michael.Konor@p0.f8.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Konor) writes:
> Once again it seems that Huntsville and Madison county are bent on
> wasting a large amount of initial money and a continual waste of money on
> the recent project to install all these UNNEEDED highway lights.
> 
> The ones I've noticed the most are the ones in the Rideout Road/I-565,
> Sparkman/I-565, and Old Madison Pike/I-565 areas.  Our "knowledgeable"
> goverments seem to think that a 90 foot pole topped with massive amounts
> of candlepower are a necessity on some of these roads intersections.
> Many times there are 3-4 on one interchange.
> 
> WHY!!!!!!!!!
> 
> If it's dark, you have headlights on.  Their not in areas where people
> walk (to protect from crime).  And they surely make the people mad that
> live close to these interchanges to see a small sun in their windows all
> night long.
> 

I beg to differ.  My usual access to I-565 is from Old Madison Pike, and I
have thought for years that lighting was needed there.  From Old Madison Pike,
the entrance to the ramp to southbound Rideout Road is very poorly marked.
At night I can find it if I use the offroad lights on my Jeep, which throw
more light to the sides than headlights, but that is an impolite thing to do
in the face of approaching traffic.  Extra lighting here will be most welcome.



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Newsgroups: hsv.general
From: lester@naomi.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Les Bartel)
Subject: Re: Continuation
Reply-To: lester@naomi.b23b.ingr.com
Organization: Dazix, An Intergraph Company
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:17:53 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.205140.16458@b11.ingr.com>, lhughes@b11.ingr.com (Lawrence Hughes) writes:
|> In article <4338.29DC833F@umagic.FIDONET.ORG>, Rex.Beard@umagic.FIDONET.ORG (Rex Beard) writes:

|> > Banking Crisis - deregulate banks and reduce the FDIC insurance.  Only give
|> > insurance of up to 10 - 30 thousand dollars per person. Not an infinite amount. 
|> 
|> the current 100k is ok, if they really limit it to that, and per person, not
|> per person per bank. And it would be better if the insurance was provided by
|> (and rates set by) private companies, just required by law.

Why require the insurance?  You may want to require a bank to post a sign
indicating whether or not it's insured.  From there it's 'let the customer
decide'.  They may wish to take the extra risk for a higher interest rate
on savings on a non-insured account.  Hmmm, non-insured account.  Allow
each bank to have two classes of accounts insured and non-insured with
appropriate rates on each account.  If you move the insurance to the private
sector, there would be no need for a federally mandated limit.  The insurance
providor could specify a limit.  Yeah, I know this can be very confusing
to some people.  But standards could be developed to minimize that.  We
need to get control back to the state and local gov'ts.  The feds have too
many other things to worry about.

[lots of other good stuff deleted]

 - Les
Newsgroups: hsv.general
From: tj@alpine.b17a.ingr.com (T.J. Higgins)
Subject: Re: Term limits
Reply-To: tj@alpine.b17a.ingr.com
Organization: The Ernest P. Worrell Institute for the Study of the Vernal Equinox
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:00:58 GMT

|>  > No, what it will do is move even more political power into
|>  > the hands
|>  > of unelected bureaucrats.  When Congressman Moe is forced
|>  > to leave
|>  > because of term limits, and Congressman Larry takes his
|>  > place, you can
|>  > bet that Mr. Larry is going to hire most, if not all, of
|>  > the aides
|>  > that were working for Mr. Moe.  The long serving aides
|> 
|> 
|> That would be a first. When a new congressman comes in
|> they almost always bring in new aides.

Sure, Mr. Larry is going to bring a few key people with him, to reward
them for working in his campaign or whatever.  But Mr. Moe's aides, 
knowing they won't be working for Mr. Moe anymore, will be trying to 
hitch themselves to the next rising star.  So it's not inconceivable 
that Mr. Moe's aides might be actively working in Mr. Larry's 
campaign, trading what they know in Washington for the promise of 2
(or 6) more years.  And those aides who don't get jobs with Mr. Larry 
can probably go down the hall and hire on with Mr. Curly.  
Long-serving aides with lots of connections/clout are better than gold
for a freshman legislator.

|>  > will work with
|>  > the long-serving aides of the other congressional seats,
|>  > not caring
|>  > who fills those seats, and not having to answer to any
|>  > voters,
|>  > advising the seatholder on what to do next.  A lot of this
|>  > goes on
|>  > now, but it will explode under term limits.  I have said
|> 
|> How would it explode under term limits? Using your own
|> argument that aides cause problems, term limits wold greatly
|> help. Surely you agree that their is greater turn over in aides
|> when some one new comes in, rather than if the incumbant gets
|> re-elected. 

The whole point of my article was that, under term limits, there will
be even LESS turn over in aides than there is now.  An explosion in 
the number of aides staying in D.C. and working their way up the 
senoirity system, much as the elected officials do now.  But the aides
don't have to answer to the voters.  That is the crux of my concern:  
political and decision-making power in the Legislative branch will 
migrate to unelected officials (much the way the Executive branch is 
now).  You may recall a criminal by the name of Oliver North, who 
worked for the NSA, an agency of the Executive branch.  Need I say 
more?

|>  > it many times
|>  > before:  term limits are not the answer.
|>  >
|> Your own argument suggests otherwise. 

I completely disagree with your assessment.

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