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Date: Thursday, 13 Aug 1992 16:41:40 CDT
From: <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>
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Subject: Re: cage is dead

In article <1992Aug13.131538.6410@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff
Beer) says:
>
>Composer John Cage died yesterday, Aug 12, in New York.  He would have
>been 80 in about 3 weeks.   Cage had a profound impact on music.

Indeed. The weird thing is that I didn't hear his passing until I heard it
on WBBM (the CBS AM all-newser in Chicago,for anybody who wants to know).
They also replayed the boat-horn tribute to him that was arranged for his
70th birthday back in '83.

      ** Chris Krolczyk,esq.  * DISCLAIMER: My opinions are in **
      ** Maniac-at-Large      * no way endorsed by the Univer- **
      ** U19807@UICVM.BITNET  * sity of Illinois at Chicago.   **
      ** u19807@uicvm.uic.edu * So there. Nyaah.               **
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:11:32 EDT
From:         "Michael Lehnertz (Drummer)" <TZJ101@URIACC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: cage is dead
              14 Aug 1992 08:10:00 EDT from <ghanley@DG-WEBO.WEBO.DG.COM>

On Fri, 14 Aug 1992 08:10:00 EDT Gary Hanley said:
>Drummer sed:
>
>	Boy, talk about trying to start a flame war. OK, I'll
>reply.
>	Ummm, Toto is a....umm...big buncha stupidheads. There!
>
>--
>    Gary Hanley

   Oh yea? Yo momma!

   I caught Tower of Power last night in CT. Toad's Place. Ya know, the
place were the Rolling Stones opened their last tour. Anyway, what a smoking
show. There is nothing like catching bands in a small club. Awesome show.

   And, if anyone wants to see Roomful Of Blues, I got 20 tickets to get
rid of. Let's see, it is this Tuesday at Toad's Place again. Hey, these are
a $10 value and I am willing to let them go for dirt. $10 a piece even. So,
who wants em? I might even have 24 of them.


                                              - Drummer -
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From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Info request: Adrian Belew

Hi,
        last week I borrowed an Adrian Belew instructional video tape; quite
impressive, I must say. I have several records with his performances - Talking
Heads, King Crimson, and one of his solo albums, "Twang Bar King", but I admit
I haven't followed him a lot lately.
        Is there anyone who may give me some vague hints about his recent solo
career, if there is any?

        Thanks in advance
        Ciao, Marco
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 12:55:05 EDT
From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Bass World (was: Friday thoughts)

On Mon, 17 Aug 1992 09:25:31 PDT David Malbuff said:
>
>>Mingus
>
> Good player. GREAT composer.
>
No disputes on that from this corner.
>>
>>If I had to pick one, probably Jamerson. Marvin Gaye's "What's Goin' On"
>>is Jamerson's baby.
>>
> That should help answer Rick's question. Jamerson was the bass player
> for Motown in the 1960s. His playing made that music. The percolating
> "busy" sound became his trademark. Busy but uncluttered. On drums they
> had Benny Benjamin, with his patented "One two-THREE!" snare shot.
> (Check "Ain't Too Proud To Beg" by the Temptations, the song opens with
> it).
>
>David

Thanks for that info. Talk about unsung heroes! Motown wouldn't be the same
without that distinctive bass style. Now I can unbate my breath after waiting
for the informative antidote to my Jamerson-identity-impairment.
Singin' praise to James Jamerson and to ALLMUSIC,
Rick
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 07:30:49 CDT
From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject: Re: ENYA responses
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Nancy Lellenberg Bentrup <nancyl@OSIRIS.CSO.UIUC.EDU> says:

>For the person who wasted people's time insulting my musical tastes and
>others': I never said in my post that I found her to be the BEST musician
>or whatever... I was just asking for more info about someone whose music
>I had just been introduced to.

Good lord, Ms Bentrup, lighten up a little.  It weren't nothing but
a joke.  You know, like the simley at the end said.  All of us listen to
some things we'd be ashamed to admit to our friends, and Enya isn't
really that bad, IMHO.  She's just not that cutting edge (again IMHO).
Also, IMHO, there are many, many musicians who aren't selling nearly
as many records who, IMHO, have much more to offer musically.

For example, Andy Summers, Brian Eno, Robert Fripp, David Byrne, Pat
Metheny, Joni Mitchell (not to stray too far from Enya's genre).

>And furthermore, some people do like
>Barry Manilow and John Denver or whoever, and their tastes should be
>respected regardless of whether or not you agree with them.

What's the point of *having* an opinion if you can't use it to poke
a little fun at people?  I mean, the grunge bands I listed are
certainly worth poking fun at (in fact, I expected you or somebody would
do just that instead of flaming).  Lord knows, I've caught enough static
from my family for listening to them and liking them.  My wife told me
the other day that she found one of my Carla Bley tapes "depressing"!!!

Oh, all right.  Anyone who felt as Ms Bentrup did that I cut a little
close to the bone gets a sincere apology from me herewith.

Bob
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:05:07 -0400
From:         "The Chrome-Plated Megaphone of Destiny"
              <ALEVIN@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Tangerine Dream
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Meshel says:
>Anybody have a favorite song or tune by Tangerine Dream?  The greatest and my
>favorite of ALL TIME-out of everything I have heard so far--is the song
>"SUNGATE" off of the album "Optical Race" (many people say that is the only
>good song on this album-I love it all).  The piano and electric parts just fit
>so well - it's just beautiful.  I'm sure it can be used for dancing,
>meditating, romance, and many other occasions.  Pretty neat, eh?

IMHO TD's most creative and powerful stuff was from the mid 70's to the early
80's. Starting around 85 the creativity went out the window with their switch
to using computerized synths. Everything after that sounds very anemic and
generic new-agey. I've not seen them in concert, but I've been told that after
the switch to computers they pretty much come on stage, turn on the computers
and let them play by themselves.

For me, _Force Majeure_ is TD at their peak. My reccomendation is to get all
the albums released on Virgin records. I don't really care for any of the
albums they released on the Private Music label (these are the ones with the
computerized new-agish twaddle). They are all too bland and sound identical to
me. But seeing as you liked _Optical Race_ you'd probably like the other ones.

Luckily the new album, _Rockoon_ has a little more life in it then the previous
batch, so hopefully this is a sign of recovery. Another note is that on their
new tour Edgar & Jerome will be bringing several musicians along with them.
Included are Zlatko Perica, the guy who played lead guitar on _Rockoon_ and
Klaus Krieger (a.k.a. Klaus Krueger) who played drums on _Force Majeure_ and
_Cyclone_.

You might be interested to know that their is a TD list at tadream@cs.uwp.edu.
With archives at cs.uwp.edu in the pub/music/lists/tadream directory.

-Adam
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:44:25 EDT
From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: ENYA responses
              13 Aug 1992 18:46:23 GMT from <nancyl@OSIRIS.CSO.UIUC.EDU>

On Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:46:23 GMT Nancy Lellenberg Bentrup said:
>
>For the person who wasted people's time insulting my musical tastes and
>others': I never said in my post that I found her to be the BEST musician
>or whatever... I was just asking for more info about someone whose music
>I had just been introduced to.  And furthermore, some people do like
>Barry Manilow and John Denver or whoever, and their tastes should be
>respected regardless of whether or not you agree with them.

Aw, come on Nancy -- Bob, in his "Enya face!!!" diatribe, was giving you a very
clear shot at getting back and insulting HIS musical tastes. He clearly
mentioned 7 or 8 bands that he considered the ones worth listening to, and
essentially exposed his nearest and dearest right in your firing range.
Or to be less militaristic, in your court. Don't stop the discussion on a mere
technicality of what's in the rule book -- get back in there and show him what
you think of Skinny Puppy and that whole industrial/noise thing!! Come on,
champ, you can do it! I've got faith in you!!

Encouragingly, and not considering his time being wasted,
Rick
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 08:09:42 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Friday thoughts

I know this may be long, but it;s intended to be somewhat thought provking
and a netsation starter.If someone disapproves of this kind of post feel
free to let me know and i'll refrain in the future(seriously)

(1) IYHO is Prince a genuis, fluke, desserving of the attention he receives
    or is he a dawg(alabmama for dog) you had when you were a youngster?

(2) What do you think of Robert Cray, Joe Walsh, joe cocker
    Notting Hilbillies (this spelling getting worse)

(3) have you ever seen Joe Cocker LIve? IMHO if you ever get the chance
    do so i saw him with srv (reason i went in the first place), but J.C.
    ain't second bannana to anyonne in his "area" live

(4) Think on this we've (the majority) have knocked Billy....etc as being
    pre-fab artist and therfore we have began to knock alot of country
    while i'm not a "new country" fan I do belive Travis,Garth...etc
    actually have some talent, but on the flipside pop music has more
    pre-fab artist that any form ex: Vanilla ice, new kids, Tiffany
    miller vaniller, the list could go one , so whether we like country
    music or not (new country) I belive pop has a monoploly on pre-fab
    acts, so lets try to lay off bIlly for a while............

(5) I believ i've seen useless discussions on Fender vs. Gibson
    but how can one deny the great tone that Gary moore, early E.C.,
    Bloomfield, Billy Gibbons and the man BRO Duanne (don't blame
    it om amps they don't all use the same one), and others but likewise
    how can you deny tone that Eric Johnson, DAVID GILMOUR(deserved uppercase)
    SRV, Jimi,....etc, so there are tone-masters from fender to gibson so
    this discussion is all a mater of taste, BTW i play an old Strat,
    but on the hunt for a L.P. Junior with GAwd'almighty soapbars
(6) wouldn't you hate to take a long car trip with me i'd never shutup
    guess you can tell my boss is not hear today.

    Love L. Watkins
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 09:44:13 EDT
From:         Michelle May <MAMAY@WAYNEST1.BITNET>
Subject:      Thoughts on Prince

Hoo boy, Leonard, can your mouth (keyboard?) run!!!

I think I'll just tackle the Prince question:  IMHO, Prince is a superb
musician--HOWEVER--I think he is too into his own thing and can't always
get across to the public what he's trying to do.  He has finally allowed
some other talent to take front stage with him (witness the recent inclusion
of Rosie Gaines, who has an extremely strong voice).  I think NOW he needs to
let someone else take over the production of his albums.  I'd like to see
someone like Teddy Riley help him out;  Teddy seems to have great success with
his projects (most recently on Michael Jackson's "Dangerous" album).  Prince's
"Diamonds and Pearls" has a few good tunes, but he tried to do a little Hip-
Hop kind of thang and failed miserably.
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:36:03 EDT
From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: ENYA
              13 Aug 1992 16:13:47 GMT from <nancyl@OSIRIS.CSO.UIUC.EDU>

On Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:13:47 GMT Nancy Lellenberg Bentrup said:
>A friend loaned me her CD of Enya: Shepherd Moons.  I'd be interested to
>know more about her, her background, other CD titles etc.
>
>Also, I heard her sister is in a group with a similar sound and their
>music was played in "Patriot Games."  I've forgotten the name of the
>group.  Would be interested in information about them as well.
>
>Thanks.

Never heard her stuff, but this is what I found:
      1. She has at least 1 other album, called "Watermark."
      2. She's 1 out of 9 children of musician parents.
      3. Along with several of her siblings, worked in the band Clannad.
      4. Wrote the score for "The Frog Prince." (Film? Stage work? I dunno)
      5. Wrote sound track for the BBC series The Celts.

Source: an abstract for a Mar. 27 1989  article in (oohh, I hate to admit this)
that bastion of scholarly discourse, People Magazine.

Worried about his professional development,
Rick
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Freddie
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:42:34 GMT

Freddie Hubbard is scheduled to be on Jay Leno tonight.  (wednesday, Aug
12)

Freddie plays trumpet, and amoung his own bands and many fine recrords,
he was on Dolphy's Out To Lunch, Coltrane's Ascension, and Ornette's
Free Jazz.  Those are three major works from the three major innovators
of the early 60s.

Great horn player, so check him out....


Jeff
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Date:         Tue, 11 Aug 1992 13:56:06 PST
From:         Mike McGuire <MIKEM@UCSFHC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Jerry Garcia Ill
              11 Aug 1992 13:47:12 EDT from <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>

On Tue, 11 Aug 1992 13:47:12 EDT Scott Hammer said:
>This is summarized from information on the dead-flames list.  Last week,
>Garcia cancelled several shows with his band (i.e., the Jerry Garcia Band)
>at the Warfield Theater in San Francisco.  At the time, the explanation
>was that he had "temporarily lost his voice."  Now, Portland and Eugene
>(OR) radio stations are announcing that the Dead have cancelled their
>scheduled shows in Veneta, OR on August 22 and 23, due to Garcia's
>"extremely bad health."
>
>Sketchy information, but Now You Know.
>
The shows at shoreline this month have been cancelled as well.  It was in the
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:45:00 LCL
From:         Kevin Sonney <KEVIN.DAVINCI@MHS.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      tangerine dream
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Meshal -

Tangerine Dream has been a favorite for a few years now - and I'm
ashamed to  say  that I only  own two Albums  : "Stratosfear" and
"Logos - Live."

I  knew that they  were once a  rock band, but had forgotten that
they  were from Germany.  I guess we can add one to the "Favorite
German Band" discussion.

-=Kevin=-
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:06:39 MET
From:         Doumen Jan <jqdoumen@VUB.AC.BE>
Subject:      Heldon - Richard Pinhas

Hi all,

I've just dropped an interview with Richard Pinhas, the great, at
cs.uwp.edu. It was recently made in Paris by members of KLEM-Belgium.
You can find it in /pub/music/incomming/interviews or later in
/pub/music/interviews.
If you don't have ftp acces please mail me and I will sent it to you.


Go and tell it to everybody. Spread the news. An exclusive interview
now available. For FREE.

DeJean.
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 12:10:35 EDT
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Bass World (was: Friday thoughts)
              17 Aug 1992 14:53:43 GMT from <jpreston@NYX.CS.DU. EDU>

On Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:53:43 GMT no-nick said:
>In article <ALLMUSIC%92081708201570@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> MAINT2@ERS.BITNET
>Ken Koester) writes:
>>>
>>Would =UFO Tofu= be the latest from the Fleckdudes?  Been out of the cou
>try
>>for 2 weeks & haven't gotten around to the local Tower yet.
>
>
>
>Indeed it is, Ken, and one worthy of celebration. The title cut
>alone is worth the price of admission, as this is the one which Bela
>says is based on something by Bach, and that it was a bitch to play
>on banjo. The rest of the Flecktones didn't seem to have much problem
>learning it, so he decided to make them learn it backwards, too.
>That's how the palindrome name came about, and yes, the tune has
>three distince sections which are played in both directions (live,
>not Memorex). Cocky little runt.  :)
>
>Jeff ("n.n.")

Hot damn!  Been waiting for this little number since I heard Bela & the boys
at the Birchmere in April!  A special after-work trip to Tower may be in
order this p.m.
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:47:16 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: ringo
              18 Aug 1992 13:09:31 -0400 from <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>

On Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:09:31 -0400 Russ Gelinas said:
>    Re. Marco's comments on Ringo's time: I understand the reason the Beatles
>went with Ringo in the first place was that he was the only drummer in
>Liverpool who could keep time.  Not the greatest technique, but it worked
>for the B's, and I still like to listen to his work.  I know Drummer thinks
>Ringo is a meta-god....surpassed only by Keith Moon.....and Neil Peart....
I read where Paul M. (about a year ago) said Ringo was the best drummer to
him period, that he didn't play to the beat but to the melody of the song
I've listened and he's right , but i'm no drummer so l could be wrong
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 10:16:20 MET
From:         Doumen Jan <jqdoumen@VUB.AC.BE>
Subject:      Richard Pinhas

Hi all,

I've just dropped an interview with Richard Pinhas, the great, at
cs.uwp.edu. It was recently made in Paris by members of KLEM-Belgium.
You can find it in /pub/music/incomming/interviews or later in
/pub/music/interviews.

Go and tell it to everybody. Spread the news. An exclusive interview
now available. For FREE.

DeJean.
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:14:23 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Nomaties
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              Hanley" at Aug 13, 92 1:34 pm

Those nomaties make me want to vomitee.

On another tack, I heard something on the radio that was kind of interesting
and I'm hoping somebody out there can tell me more: William Eaton playing a 26
(count'em) string guitar.  No. 1, though Eaton wasn't exactly *exciting* (who
could be after hearing S.S.?), it was kind of nice--who is this guy?  what has
he recorded?  No. 2 and even more intriguing, is a 26-string guitar a
two-neck 12-string with an extra bass or drone string on each?  I'm trying to
figure it out.  What does it look like and how do you play it?
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 11:36:00 EST
From:         gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      Seriously
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From: skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU at INTERNET 8/13/92 10:54AM (1973 by

>re: one liners and this being a "serious discussion list."  Gary, I'll agree
>that one-liners should be avoided, but I will take serious issue with your
>point that this net must always be SERIOUS.

When did I say this? I said this was a serious discussion list. In no way
did I mean that it should always be serious. There are tons of
jokes and the like flying back and forth, which is great, but the people on
this list do take their music very seriously.

Compare this to the metal@metal heavy metal discussion list. They trade
cuss words and birthday wishes back and forth, while managing to sneak in
a few musical comments.

>Other than avoiding disembodied one-liners, my vote is to live and let live.

I'm in total agreement.


Seeya,
Gary
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:36:00 -0400
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      cage
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  Frank, I have to disagree with you.  To use Jeff's analogy, the genie
is out of the bottle.  Cage's philosophy of music/life has already
influenced a lot of people, there's no going back.  Certainly, not many will
be performing/listening to 4'33" in a hundred years, but "serious" composers
(I can feel the heat from that statement already), will have studied Cage,
and will know about 4'33". Whether you like Cage's stuff or not doesn't
really matter.  What matters, and what keeps someone "alive" in history,
is their being responsible for a change in the flow.  Cage forced people
to re-examine the way they viewed and listened.  As such, he changed the
flow of our collective consciousness.  "Serious" composers, I believe,
write music for just that reason.  They are perhaps more philosophers than
musicians.  Cage is the icon for that type of composer. Being such, he will
be remembered.

   Sounds like a damn eulogy.

Russ (don't start on "serious" composing, you know what I mean....)
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 11:54:41 CDT
From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject: Re: ENYA
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Nancy Lellenberg Bentrup <nancyl@OSIRIS.CSO.UIUC.EDU> sez:

>A friend loaned me her CD of Enya: Shepherd Moons.  I'd be interested to
>know more about her, her background, other CD titles etc.

Nancy, Enya's music uses a little-known technique called "forward
masking".  Just like the backward masking in metal songs causes
teenagers to commit suicide and give their lives over to Satan worship,
the forward masking in Enya's music causes people to start collecting
Barry Manilow, John Denver, and Whatsizname Winston the piano player.

It is well-known that placing any of these CDs in proximity to others
causes all the musical content of the latter CDs to be sucked out.

Nancy, Enya is the Antichrist!  She's no good for you.  Trust me.

Let me suggest a course of therapy, since you seem to have already
fallen under her spell: Tad, Skinny Puppy, Ministry, Jesus Lizard,
Treponem Pal, and just about anything on Sub Pop, Wax Trax or Nettwerk
labels.

Just in case you're all lame: ;-)

Bob
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:05:00 ZONE
From:         Steve Rife <STEV@MCO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Import CD's

Fish Out of Water by Chris Squire is listed at $28.99


Steve Rife
(STEV@MCO)
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