From: Tagi@cup.portal.com (Tagi Mordred Nagashiva)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Great Martyrdom Cult
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 09:44:07 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <66777@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep29.031711.18411@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>

9209.29 e.v.


Scott Locklin writes:

[much is paraphrased]


A) Does correct/useful ideation remove one from the GMC?  or is it because
one is now accepted [referring to 'scientists']?


Response:

These are just ideations.  GMC has to do with reflecting the shadow side of
society.  Ideations are threatening to society if it is stuck in one
world-view, but they aren't like a nightmare.  We are talking imagery
here.  Some nice ideas in imagery, but not much with regard to science.
The worst that modern Science has to offer is conscious extinction at
the end of personal life.  Most Sciences won't examine this subject,
however because it goes beyond 'physically observed data'.  Phew!

This is the reason that modern Science is stuck on materialism.  It began
as a faction of the GMC, but it was co-opted by those Christian 'scientists'
who didn't take it to the interior world of the psyche.  Magick is all
about taking Science to the subjective world.  That is why it is spurned
by modern Science.  That is why it is spurned by modern Christianity.
It is much easier to leave the repressed energies in the social psyche
rather than dredge them up by focussing on Sociology and Psychology.
Today these fields are treated with disdain by most 'hard-scientists'.


Scott:

B) Notes for comment

1) Martyrdom is an insult to Satanists.  


Response:

Sure is, but not to the GMC members.  REACTIONARIES are not members of
the GMC.  GMC people are tied into a deep subconscious energy which
strives to get out (note that Cthulhu fits in very well with people
who are somehow related to GMC).  This has less to do with reacting to 
the conscious energies and more with tapping into what is repressed.

Martyrdom is only an insult to reactionaries AGAINST Christianity.


Scott:

2) Satanism is not self-flagellation.


Response:

This seems true enough.  Satanism seems to be about self-promotion, sometimes
at the expense of others.


Scott:

3) GMC is a positive influence on our culture.  Largely reactionary.


Response:

The first I agree with.  The second is way out of line for the reasons I
outlined above.


Scott:

4) If in the GMC, we might expect no violent reaction ('punishment'?) if:

a) GMC is a secret society
b) GMC is blatantly obvious, is only psychologically dangerous, and is
   protected by law
c) GMC contains people with social power in it


Response:

This is more interesting to me than anything else we've been discussion
in this thread.

The idea that GMC might have a means of martyrdom which does not lead
necessarily to death has always intrigued me (and I'm enough of a
Satanist to want to find a way to avoid crucifixion).


a) Secret Society

No problems here.  Most GMC members don't even know THEY are part of it,
let alone ELSE who might be.


b) Obvious/Psych./Law

Yes, in US the best means to assure that the GMC gets a strong foothold
is to support our Bill of Rights as it stands, push for freedom of
religion, and then wig out on this freedom without physically hurting others
(i.e. practice Satanism and blow the minds of our culture with our
life-ways).


c) People of power

I tend to assume that power corrupts, no exceptions.  If you can make
a case against this I'd like to hear it, but I've found that GMC arises
from those without much power.  Sure they have enough to think and act
beyond simple subsistence (and thus are sometimes called 'Middle Class'),
but they don't really have power, else they would not wish to dig down
into the social subconscious.  They'd be too busy 'enjoying the limelight'.


Thyagi
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