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From: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Museveni the next Noriega??..
Date: 18 Dec 92 05:26:21 GMT
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.

From the AP. My personal comments are in [,] :
=====================================================

   Gadhafi, Museveni May Have Been     
     Co-Conspirators In Arms Case      
                 ---
    MIAMI - Libyan leader Moammar
Gadhafi and Uganda's president may have
been co-conspirators in an arms-smug-
gling case, according to a letter by a
federal prosecutor released Thursday.
    Neither Gadhafi nor Uganda's
President Yoweri Museveni have been
indicted.
    Neither have nine other people,
including several high-ranking Libyan
and Ugandan officials.
    The list, prepared by Judy Hunt, an
assistant U.S. attorney in Orlando,
allows prosecutors to use evidence that
otherwise would be inadmissible at the
arms-smuggling trial of five people
that is scheduled to begin Jan. 4.
    The five, including Mounir Fahmy
Barsoum, have been indicted for
allegedly attempting to ship 400
anti-tank missiles and 34 missile
launchers worth $19 million from the
U.S. to Uganda.
    Fahmy is the former head of the
Egyptian air force.
    Fahmy also is accused of trying to
ship $15 million in U.S. Army
helicopter parts to Libya.
    The U.S. has no diplomatic
relations with Libya, which is one of
six countries U.S. officials say
support terrorism.
    In Uganda's case, the U.S. has had
generally friendly relations with
Museveni during his 6 years in office,
but his army has been accused of human
rights abuses.

[I also fished this one..: ]

   French Leader's Prostate Cancer     
     Isn't Responding To Treatment     
                 ---
    PARIS - President Francois
Mitterrand's prostate cancer hasn't
spread, but it isn't responding fully
to treatment, according to a health
bulletin issued Thursday.
    The terse announcement was issued
by Mitterrand's personal physician [, Dr. KEVORKIAN of Michigan. :-)]
[......]

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From: jnr@igc.apc.org (Jim Rosenfield)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Proposals to Aid Somalia?????
Date: 12 Dec 92 03:07:00 GMT
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Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!jnr    Dec 11 19:07:00 1992


In this topic it was said:

"...Is it possible that the problem in Somalialand is that there
are too many Somalians?"

and I said "I think it is hihgly provocative, but not stupid."

and Kauta said: "this is not a wise statement.... I hope you get
flamed on this one."

Well....you may think the fellow who raised the original question,
a question obviously designed to fly in the face of our common
sensibilities, is stupid.  Maybe so, but even if he is, I think
there is important food for discussion here.

Maybe you should teach the writer some tact, or perhaps you could
offer some points of style, but don't you think we ought to
question our basic assumptions about humanitarian assistance
sometimes?

it seems to me you would argue that such assistance has often been
the cover for nefarious acts perpetrated by blood-thirsty and
money/power hungry "democracies".  Because of this interpretation,
I think we should struggle to get clearer and clearer about why we
do certain things together (like send in the marines) and to get
the motives be hind them out into the light of day.

Don't you think so, too?

ps: go ahead, now.  I can take it. Fire up your best shot :-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: agesa@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Richard Ugunzi Agesa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: IPS:ZIMBABWE: FILM CENSORSHIP, NO SEX PLEASE WE'RE ZIMBABWEAN
Date: 14 Dec 1992 20:12:30 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.30

In article <1992Dec14.132257.15625@sei.cmu.edu> firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth) writes:

-stuff deleted-
>It is the values and attitudes portrayed in films such as these, and
>their mindless glorification by the sickos in the mass media, that
>have made the African-Americans one of the most oppressed black people
>on earth. 

All black people on earth are oppressed. The degree of oppression does not 
matter. Look at whats going on in Latin America, Western Europe, North 
America, Middle East, and elsewhere on this planet, what is the status of 
black people? At the bottom of the well!

-- 
R. Ugunzi Agesa     |    agesa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu     | Office: (414) 229-4603  
Univ of Wisconsin   |    agesa@convex.csd.uwm.edu   |         (414) 229-4812
Dept of Economics   | 
Milwaukee, WI 53201 | Sometimes I just sit and think, other times I just sit.




Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: "AJIBOLA.A..OSINUBI"@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Ajibola A Osinubi")
Subject: Who is on this network from Kenya?
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:33:03 GMT

Are there any people from Kenya on this network?

Ajibola.Osinbi@OFFICE.Wang.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: barnhart@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: IPS:SOMALIA: French split on wisdom of military intervention
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:50:22 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

Copyright Inter Press Service 1992, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Title: SOMALIA: French split on wisdom of military intervention /RELATE/


attn editors: please relate the following item to 'africa: italy
agrees to send troops to somalia, mozambique' moved from rome
earlier.

paris, dec 9 (ips/angeline oyog) -- french opinion was divided
over wednesday's military intervention in somalia, in which france
is participating, with differences showing in the government.

prime minister pierre beregovoy wednesday defended french
participation in the u.s.-led 'operation restore hope' in somalia,
saying that though the u.n. charter affirms the right of national
self-determination, ''there is a duty to intervene when human
lives are threatened.''

but french defence minister pierre joxe has expressed doubts,
concerned that the french army, already involved in cambodia and
in yugoslavia, may be overstretched by too many committments to
provide military protection for aid convoys.

joxe added over the weekend that the operation may only
temporarily relieve the crisis before the troops withdraw and the
bandits return. in an editorial wednesday, the afternoon paper 'le
monde' wrote: ''it is noble to want to bring hope to the
somalis... one should also not deceive this hope.''

however, a french foreign ministry spokesman said france is
seeking a political solution to the crisis in somalia. ''the
stakes for the international community are too great. if we
succeed in somalia, this could serve as an example elsewhere.''

thus in mogadishu, french minister for health and humanitarian
action bernard kouchner plans to meet the two principal leaders of
the rival clans in the hope of mediating.

according to the spokesman, the first phase of the operation in
somalia will be followed by a reinforcement of the u.n. blue beret
peacekeepers in the country, to maintain a durable peace. but he
added that somalis must find a political solution themselves.

although the objective of bringing aid to the dying somalis has
won approval, a spokesman for the humanitarian group 'medecins
sans frontiers' warned of the danger of other crises such as the
war in bosnia-hercegovina being forgotten.

didier francois, director of the development aid group 'terre des
hommes' wished for a more international force. the u.s.
predominance was ''worrisome'' he said, and may give the u.s. a
disproportionate say in the political make up of the region.

and while the conservative mayor of paris jacques chirac approved
the military intervention in somalia, he added: ''i hope that in
the future, it will be the united nations which will direct this
kind of intervention.'' (end/ips/ip/ao/rj/92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: Roger L Bilisoly <rbilisol@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: wanted: local news for south africa
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:03:08 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

my first attempt failed, sorry.
i have a friend who recently moved from south africa to
columbus, ohio and is interested in getting local news
about south africa. stories about the violence there are
easily obtainable here in the u.s., but what about day
to day news? is there an archive that one can ftp news
from? is there a way to access and filter IPS via internet?
is there a bulletin board devoted to south africa(there is
no news groups on usenet accessable to me at ohio state
besides soc.culture.african)? any other means?
thanks for any advice,
roger bilisoly
rbilisol@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: LIBERIA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 01:38:27 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I also would like to hear recent news of Liberia.  As I understand it,
they're having something like a civil war there.  As I recall, this all
started when the Tolbert government was overthrown, this being the last
government controlled by descendents of freed U.S. slaves who started
the nation of Liberia shortly after the end of the War Between the States.
A small nucleus of "first families" controlled the government between the
founding of the nation and about 10? years ago, when the Tolbert government
fell.  There was enormous resentment on the part of the native peoples
against the first families, by the way.  I wouldn't be surprised if most
of the former ruling class were dead by now (or living in the U.S.).

My interest is that I have long considered Liberia to be a place I would
like to visit as a tourist.  Obviously, it would be completely insane
to go there now, but I would like to visit there when the situation settles
down, if I have enough money to do travelling at that time.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: barnhart@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: IPS:SOMALIA: Military operation U.N. in spirit, not in action
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:09:49 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

Copyright Inter Press Service 1992, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Reference: United Nations; North America
Title: SOMALIA: Military operation U.N. in spirit, not in action


new york, dec 8 (ips) -- despite the avowedly humanitarian
objectives of the multinational intervention in somalia, the
united nations' flag will not be carried by u.s. marines when they
land on the beaches of mogadishu to begin their u.n.-authorised
mission.

in fact, as with the 1991 u.s.-led war against iraq, there will
be no sign of the united nations either on the shoulder insignias
or headgear of the soldiers.

a spokesperson for the u.n. secretary-general tuesday confirmed
the ''non-use of the u.n. flag'' in the intervention.

''while the secretary-general has welcomed the operation which
has been authorised by the security council, it is not under u.n.
command. the u.n. flag will not be flown by the force,'' the
spokesperson said in reply to several questions on the subject.

this has put to rest the varying interpretations on exactly how
much voice the united nations will have in the running of the
humanitarian operation.

security council resolution 794 adopted unanimously by the 15-
member peace-keeping arm of the united nations last thursday
authorises the ''secretary-general and member-states...to use all
necessary means'' to ensure the delivery of food to famine-
stricken areas of somalia.

on the ground however, this would mean the united states will
have complete command and control of the operation and that
secretary-general boutros boutros-ghali would merely be informed
of the progress of the humanitarian efforts.

but in a speech to the somali people tuesday, boutros-ghali
took special care to stress the u.n. role in the operations.

''the unified military command which is arriving in somalia
under the united nations mandate comes to feed the starving,
protect the defenceless and prepare the way for political,
economic and social reconstruction,'' boutros-ghali said.

he noted that even while the u.s.-led mission was on, ''the
u.n. will be working toward long-term solutions for the problems
of somalia''.

the two-minute address was relayed over the internal television
system at u.n. headquarters here. but some observers wonder if the
message will ever be seen by the somalis themselves given the
absence of a communications network, or indeed of any organised
activity in the somali capital these days. (end/ips/am/yjc/92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: mukasa@panix.com (Michael K Mukasa)
Subject: Re: New Topic
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:34:53 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

In <1992Dec17.073636.20401@reed.edu> todd@reed.edu (Todd Ellner) writes:

>In article <1992Dec14.195258.5951@panix.com> mukasa@panix.com (Michael K Mukasa) writes:


>they tend to meet are mostly white. The men are young and far away from the
>family and community that would steer them towards a more traditional choice
>of woman.

>Is this bad for African society and family? I don't think it makes a whole
>lot of difference. These men represent a very small fraction of African men.
>They tend to work at jobs in the cities where people are more cosmopolitan
>anyway.
>-- 
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Todd Ellner  todd@reed.edu 
>"What has the study of biology taught you about the Creator Dr. Haldane?"
>JBS Haldane:"I'm not sure, but He seems to be inordinately fond of beetles."


When they go home they will probably join the higher echlons of the
society (because of contacts, education, foreign training,etc.).  In this
position they become roll models for the youth aspiring to become as
succesful, well educated and "sofisticated" as these people are.  Will the
desire to marry a european also become one of the aspects of charecter
that the youths will aspire to achieve.
I once heard a roumor (Maybe the Kenyans who read the net can confirm its
validity) that the ex-Attorney General in Kenya (A very very powerful
position at the time) would not fly on any plane if the pilot was an
African.  He supposedly got on A plane bound for London, found out the
pilot was black and got off.  BTW this man's wife is British and still
retained her British citizenship even though her husband was one of the
most powerfull people in government (roumor also had it that he refused
her to take Kenyan citizenship).
What type of example does this make for the youth of our countries.  Even
if the roumours are eventually found to be false, some people would have
acted on them, thus becoming more and more colonized.
Do the chilren from such a family get to learn their languages, if these
are not being taught in schools????
People say that this debate goes on periodically in s.c.a.a. but the
manifestations and consequences and cultural implications are different.
The people I mentioned are amoung our ranks.  I am not trying to point
fingers or lay blame but objectively find out the impact of decisions WE
make on our societies and families.
WE are the next generation and hopefully will aspire to lead or "take the
batton".  WE have to closely examine what implications our actions can
have and this is one area that is sensetive but important.

My two cents

Kiggundu.
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: barnhart@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: IPS:ANGOLA: UNITA agrees to join government of national unity
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:57:52 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

Copyright Inter Press Service 1992, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Title: ANGOLA: UNITA agrees to join government of national unity


lisbon, dec 7 (ips) -- the rebel national union for the total
independence of angola (unita) monday accepted the invitation of
angolan prime minister marcolino moco to take a seat in the
country's cabinet and four deputy ministerial posts.

according to declarations over angolan national radio broadcast
simultaneously in lisbon, unita spokesman jorge valentim said that
his movement ''accepts the posts offered, even though they are not
sufficient''.

''the election results indicate that unita (which won 34 percent
of the votes in last september's election) merits much more,'' he
added.

after describing the attitude of the rebel movement led by jonas
savimbi as ''a gesture towards pacification of the country''
valentim called on the government of the popular movement for the
liberation of angola (mpla) ''to halt its military offensives''
against unita.

moco offered unita the ministry of culture and four deputy
ministerial posts in the government of ''national unity'' which
took office last friday despite the rebels having opted for armed
struggle, and despite the fact that they control almost half the
country.

unita was defeated in last september's elections, which gave the
mpla a comfortable majority.

over the weekend savimbi agreed to withdraw his troops from the
northern cities of uige and negage under the supervision of united
nations observers, just before a threatened government counter-
offensive.

while unita was withdrawing from these two cities, however,
fighting in kuito (ex-silva porto), capital of the province of bie
in central angola, intensified.

u.n. representatives in angola made urgent contact with savimbi
to stop the spread of the violence to the rest of the country.

according to portuguese analysts the u.n. mission to unita seems
to have reached its objectives, ''and its results are visible
today, when the rebels agreed to form part of the government of
national unity''.

vitor ramalho, president of the association of friends of angola
in portugal, was cautious as he told the press of unita's
agreement to join the democratic process. ''it is still too early
to state that the logic of war has come to an end'' in this former
colony of lisbon, he said. (end/ips/trd/ip/md/da/tt/rj/92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: asp@cypress.com (Ashish(Hashman) Pancholy)
Subject: Nearest Thai consulate serving SF bay area
Originator: asp@as04
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor, San Jose, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:08:36 GMT

I expected there to be a Thai consulate in San Francisco but there
doesn't seem to be one according to Pacific Bell. Would anyone know
which is the nearest consulate serving the Bay Area. I have an
overnight stay in Bangkok (while traveling in Asia) and I'd like to know 
if I need a visa for my stay there. 

Also I'd appreciate any tips/suggestions on things to do during my 
short stay in Bangkok (I fly in at about 11:30 at night and fly out
at about 6:30 PM the next evening).

I'd appreciate if you could reply by e-mail.

Thanks in advance,

Ashish Pancholy
asp@cypress.com
From: ms0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Michiyo Shinoda)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: More Thai Views on Prostitution
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:29:12 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <15898@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, tstil@Auspex.COM (Tim Stilwell) writes:

>In America, sexual education is *not* taught in public schools.  I only 
>learned about it (officially) when I studied Health at the university.

... but I had sex education in middle school and high school (two different
school districts at that) and learned quite a lot from the classes...
My high school even had someone from Planned Parenthood come in and talk...
And if my memory serves me right, I went to public schools all my life till
I got to college...

Just a thought, that's all.  

may
-- 

        *************************
             ms0a@lehigh.edu
         lucc student konsultant
        *************************
From: ozdes@vaxl.cc.uakron.edu(Mustafa Cengiz Ozdes)
Subject: test
Organization: The University of Akron, Akron, Ohio
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 01:44:27 GMT

test
m.ozdes
From: jl52800@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (The Incredible Mr.Wong)
Subject: Muay Thai
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:38:39 GMT

 I don't know if this is the right place for this, but I don't know where
 else to put it....Does anyone have any info on Muay Thai, or know where I
 can find some info? I know a little about it, but would like to find out 
 more. Any references to teachers in the Chicagoland area would be 
 greatly appreciated. Thank you.  

 P.S. I can speak thai, but I don't like truying to write the thai language
 using english characters.
From: v103rz6k@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (OSMAN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: test
Date: 14 Dec 92 04:45:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

test
From: markaa@cs.cornell.edu (Mark D. Aagaard)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Prostitution, child selling and Phra Wet Sandorn- a survey
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:21:44 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853

Forgive my ignorance on the subject, or if this has been already
covered, but the conversation on prostitution has raised a question
in my mind:

Was prostitution widespread in Thailand before the beginning of the
US's and European countries' involvement in South East Asia? (I'm
thinking primarily of the military involvement of the Vietnam War era).

What was the state of heroin dens before this time? 
Also, did prostitution grow out of the heroin dens, or were the two
completely separate enterprises?

 Thanks
  -mark aagaard
   markaa@ee.cornell.edu
From: ruangsuk@usc.edu (Boonchai Ruangsuknukul)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Test
Date: 14 Dec 1992 21:23:40 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun29.usc.edu


Just want to test, please ignore

Thanks
Boonchai