HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner)
Subject: Re: Who's Tougher
Reply-To: wag5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:11:37 GMT

In article <FP41PB6w165w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us> lone@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (John Hale) writes:
>bailey@emunix.emich.edu (Grand Moff Tarkin) writes:
>> >have easily survived.  As I've mentioned before, my pet theory is that it
>> >wasn't really him there on the skiff that day anyway (the real Fett was on
>> >vacation and he had some bozo filling in for him).  This, however, is not
>> >an argument as to how he could have survived, but rather an excuse for his
>> >sorry performance in RotJ.
>> >
>> And that Imposter having the name of Jodo Cast, the bounty hunter from the
>> RPG adventure Tatooine Manhunt. :)
>
>      Yeah, yeah! I noticed that too!  What happened to the Fett that was 
>so smart, he knew excatly what Solo's ploy was in the middle of ESB??? 
>WHat happened to the Fett that was thought to be a droid, he was so 
>slick??? The Fett that shredded a bunch of Mendalorean warriors??? Heh. I 
>coouldn't have been him in Jabba's palace. Besides, if he's such a cold 
> fish, why would he want to party with the Hutt? He could have just taken 
>the money and left! 
>       Didn't see the SLAVE I parked outside the pleasure dome, didja, 
>'eh? The real Fett was long gone. ALSO: Did anybody get a massive letdown 
>when Fett got "iced" in DH Starwars #4? WHat a ripoff! Boba Fett has to 
>be the type that always works alone. I mean come, on, Lucas has a 
>weakness for classic characters, and a gregarious headhunter.Geez, its a 
>oxymoron.  My .02 cred.
>                                                        -LW
Geez! Ny of you guys ever see the movie 'MAD MAX'?
	What did you think of 'Night Rider' in that movie?
	Do you guys side with the 'nomad scum' in idolizing him
	after his death?

	Sure, Fett was a slick loner. Most of the bounty hunters I've known
have been pretty sleazy.  They don't hang around at socials.
    	However, this doesn't confer immortality upon him, nor does
his laissez-faire self-interest give him the potential for massive
evil.  He may kill or sell or enslave a few men or women, but that
is a drop of spit in the cesspool of evils.  Compare the Terminator
with Adolph Hitler, Stalin, Napoleon, Caligula, et al.
	Who caused more death? Those who have power over other people,
thats who.
	No. We don't 'love' Fett for his evil, but for his loner status
which pulls at our own heart-strings whenever we feel the need to
resist opposing force.  Fett may be an honest version of the
Emperial leadership, and thus without ambition, great effect,
and thus expendable. Only a drop of spit etc.  There are a million Fetts.
Lucas was right to kill him off.  He was not special or
remarkable.

				J. Wagner


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From: g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin)
Subject: Re: question + ROTJ FLAME
Originator: gamg6900@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:21:08 GMT

dleslie@aludra.usc.edu (David Leslie) writes:

>In article <1992Aug26.164100.10016@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein) writes:
>>
>>Yes, it was directed by Irvin Kershner, and there were a lot of problems.
>>He was not realy an adventure-type director.  He was more of a person-
>>type director.  He wasn't really in the spirit of the thing, either.
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>(This is evidenced by the fact that he tried to sue Lucas to get his
>>name in the traditional spot -- at the end of the opening credits --
>>as mandated by the Director's Guild of America.  Can you imagine what
>>that would have been like?  

Dude, get a clue. Irvin Kershner had a reputation as being an actor's
director - probably one of the main reasons Lucas hired him, since Lucas
himself didn't like working with actors and said he would make movies without
them if possible.

For the months of primary photography Kershner was TOTALLY into the spirit
of the thing, and any suggestion to the contrary is just nonsense - you can't
make a decent movie if the director isn't into it.

The ONLY conflict between Lucas and Kershner was over money. Lucas bankrolled
Empire out of his own pocket, and he essentially ran out of money near the
end of filming. Lucas thought Kershner was going too slow and pressured him
to film more quickly. Kershner filmed a GORGEOUS movie - Empire is far and
away the most visually elegant of the three movies. Lucas simply thought it
was unnecessary to spend so much time making it look good (which is obvious
if you compare Star Wars to Empire). I thank Kersh for such a beautiful movie.

Now, for the controversy with the Director's Guild, read the book _Skywalking_
for more details about what happened. Essentially, the DGA sued Lucas on
Kershner's behalf and without consulting Kershner. Kershner didn't care where
his name went. Lucas eventually reached a cash settlement with the DGA, and the
DGA didn't even give any of the money to Kerhsner!

					Greg Martin
					g-martin1@uiuc.edu
From: u9050728@cs.uow.edu.au (Shane Kelvin Richards)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: New Star Wars Movies
Date: 27 Aug 92 08:04:30 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia

mmartin@guardian.WPI.EDU (Matthew Wayne Martin) writes:

>According to issue #16 of the Lucasfilm Fan Club magazine, Issue#17 due
>out next month will have a detailed interview with George Lucas.  This
>interview, it says, will answer all questions about the new Star Wars films.

	Since many people here don't get that magazine, could someone who
will get it, type up a summary of what is said in the interview. Thanx.
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From: cad214@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("P.Craig")
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: canon
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:02:11 GMT
Organization: University of Strathclyde

in response to that last letter, hear hear!!!!!


Who cares what is canon and what isn't? I myself am eternally grateful to Marvel
comics, Dark Horse and Timothy Zahn for bringing out anything to do with Star
Wars at all, because there has been NOTHING for ten years.
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From: mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr)
Subject: Re: Threepio question
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 02:36:51 GMT

In article <BtMCyp.FBF@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> loverde@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (AstralWolf) writes:

[lots o' stuff about whether or not 3P0 was lying to Luke about not
 knowing who the princess was deleted...]

>
>     Hmm I dunno.  C3PO seems to have something in his programming which
>PREVENTS him from lyings.  It "goes directly against his programming".

Well, he lied to the stormtroopers on the DS when he said that he was
going to take his counterpart (Artoo, of course) down to maintenance.
I suppose this could be considered a "white lie," but it definitely isn't
the truth.  (Didn't he even say something about Artoo having blown a circuit
or something?)

>This of course is largely from the Zahn (or is it Zhan) books in which
>he had to be forced to assume the voice of Leia and deceive any 
>eavedroppers of New Alliance airwaves.  (Or was that spacewaves ;)

Well, for my 2 cents, we shouldn't pay too much attention to Zahn.  I mean,
I know he's been "approved" by Lucasfilm, but I doubt that every little
detail like that is examined and given the stamp of approval.  Based on the 
films, I would say that C3P0 has the capacity to lie and deceive, although he 
isn't very good at it.

My personal belief about the discrepancy between 3P0's knowledge of the
princess is that it was a script slip-up.  But if one is looking to explain
it, I would say that it is entirely possible that 3P0 would know that the
Blockade Runner's primary passenger was princess Leia, but not know what
she looked like.  When he sees the video image that Artoo plays, he could
recognize that she was important based on where and in what context he had 
seen her on the ship, but not know that she was "the princess."
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From: z_cartheybr@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars script distribution: new info
Date: 4 Sep 92 01:54:46 GMT
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1992Sep3.192331.810@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, z_cartheybr@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
> In article <Bu01FH.CCK@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus) writes:
>> In article <BtyqKq.9xB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin) writes:
>>>
>>>    [Lotsa stuff about scripts deleted]
>>>    [a little more stuff deleted]
>> 
>> The way I heared it, this was dropped after being shown to sample audiences;
>> the people didn't like Lando dying, so Lucas changed it to keep him alive.
>> This was mentioned in several fanzines around the time the movie came out.
>> 
>> The Walrus
> 
> Just how was Lando and the MF supposed to die.  Did they not make it out
> of DS2 or were ambushed after they got out.  Wait...I may have just answered
> my own question, though not clearly!> 

--Blitz

"I've got a bad feeling about this," [insert your favorite character's name].
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From: shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: The Emperor Falling Down (Getting!) the Shaft
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:18:26 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <BtyIw6.64I@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter) writes:
>tsv@dbrus.Unify.Com (Tim Vannaman) writes:
>
>>In article <wHl-tR#@engin.umich.edu> yyrkoon@lucky.engin.umich.edu (Jeffrey Jon Kabbe ) writes:
>> [stuff deleted] 
>> >
>>>Now, assuming that Darth used the force to survive that, then why couldn't the
>>>Emporer, much more powerful in the ways of the force than Vader, stop himself
>>                                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>from falling down the shaft of the Death Star. 
>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>>I've wondered about this for a long time!
>
>
>My best guess is that Vader used his Force powers to suppress those of
>the Emperor.  Granted, the Emperor is more powerful than Vader, but
>maybe not so powerful that he could prevent Vader from preventing *him*
>from levitating.
>
>I dunno, just a guess.  On a related topic, why did Luke fall into the
>Rancor pit when he could've levitated himself as soon as he realized 
>that the floor had dropped out from under him?
>

There are many more places where levitation would have saved a Jedi from unpleasentry.

There are only two places where levitation is actually practiced (although many 'jumps'
may have been "force-assisted"): Luke's ship on Degobah and C3PO+chair on Endor.

In all successfull Levitation exercises, (visibly) considerable concentration was
required. It is reasonable to expect that under surprise conditions Levitation is
not possible. The Emperor was surely suprised to find himself in the Shaft, as was
Luke in the pit (or below Cloud City, etc.)
From: 87u0091@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: CARD QUESTIONS
Date: 28 Aug 92 09:44:41 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales


  Hello from Australia,
                       It has been quie a while since I posted this
  article due to the gripes that I got from some people about it.
  I hope that the people who complained about the waste of space are
  appeased after a break of several months between postings, and will
  make an effort to answer my questions should they be able.

    My questions are related to the TOPPS STAR WARS sets of which I 
  have a number.  My questions are;

1)  I have a set numbered 1a-66a with a red border.  The pictures are
    the same as TOPPS series 2.  Who published this set, were there any
    other sets with the 'a' numbers, and were there stickers to go with
    it ? Is this set of any significant value ?

2)  I have heard of cards being printed in languages other than English.
    Can anyone tell me which ones they know to be available and give me 
    some indication as to the price I might expect to pay ?

      Please help if you can.  Information like this is extremely hard
    to come by in Australia, and I would be indebted to anyone who is
    able to help me.  Indeed, if you have any other information with
    regard to SW cards which you think may intrest me, please feel free
    to mail me.  Likewise, I will attempt to answer all questions that
    people may have regarding Australian issues of Star Wars cards.

                              Thanking you in anticipation
                                    DAVID ARMSTRONG
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From: mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr)
Subject: Re: Your first figure?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 21:34:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.222259.15452@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:

>What was the first figure everyone got?

Well, before Kenner had released the figures in stores, I sent away and
got four of them at once:

	Luke, Leia, R2-D2, and I think Chewie, although I'm not real sure
about that one...




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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:57:10 EDT
From: <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Dark Empire #6

I don't think they would kill Luke off, ever.... I don't think they have the
balls, frankly. Look at it this way - they brought two major characters BACK
from the dead, they're not going to send El Character Supremo to a comic-book-
induced grave....
 Not that it matters if they do it, anyway. There are already enough indica-
tions that the DE series isn't canon!!!
 I just think they have the final battle Leia-vs.-the-Emperor thing in order to
give Leia something important to do, i.e. to make all that cryptic stuff during
Jedi meaningful...........
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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Re: Ignoring Canon and other Silly Mistakes
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 18:50:00 GMT


In a previous article, seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) says:

>	Not to mention the fact that I don't take the movie BOOKS as canon
>myself. The first one, MAYBE -- Lucas probably approved most of what went
>in there (it was ghostwritten, probably by ADF I think). The others, however,
>like most movie adaptations, add a whole bunch of stuff. SOME is actually
>from what was intended but couldn't fit. Other parts are from OLD SCRIPTS
>which were junked. Still others are MADE UP BY THE AUTHOR IN QUESTION
>in order to fill in spaces that are needed for the written version but
>not in the movie, and this made up stuff may have NO connection whatsoever
>to what the creator of the movie intended.

No matter what was put in, you can bet the moisture farm that NOTHING
was published in those books unless it was approved by George Lucas.

NOTHING.

Little trivia-type things are likely to slip through.  They're just
not worth the effort to a filmmaker to take all that time and
verify these things.  But major plot points, like who Owen is, 
are GUARANTEED to have met with Lucas's approval, if not being
his idea himself.

(huh?)

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From: lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim)
Subject: Re: Canon...the Official Word from Lucasfilm.
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:33:19 GMT

In article <BtnJ70.C8q@acsu.buffalo.edu> v113np2v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (George D Emmons) writes:

>in the Heir to the Empire Sourcebook, there is a disclaimer on the
>inside front cover, which goes something like this:
>
>     This publication, as well as all other publications
>     occurring after Return of the Jedi, is pure speculation.
>     Lucasfilm, ltd. reserves the right to change its mind at 
>     any point in the future about all the stuff printed in the 
>     stuff we're putting out right now....

	AAAAGHHA!!!!! So in other words, *none* of the stuff published over
the past year (Zahn, Dark Empire, and those silly little Davidses books) has been
canon? At all?

	(gr) Well, at least it does let everyone off the hook about the
various inconsistencies (Coruscant/Byss, Luke's age, etc.). But it's *still*
bloody frustrating-- no solid "facts" about the SW universe until whatever time
George decides to get off his butt and put out another film. Maybe if someone
in California could hunt down his sweet teenage daughter Amanda and romance
some details out of her....


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From: adrian@cs.hw.ac.uk (Adrian Hurt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Destroyer model help
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:03:57 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <SS.92Aug31162205@sparkplug.WPI.EDU> ss@sparkplug.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:
>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Aug 92 12:33:02 EDT, yyrkoon@lucky.engin.umich.edu (Jeffrey Jon Kabbe ) said:
>
>yyrkoon> I would be careful which paints you use if you decide to
>yyrkoon> spray paint the model because most paints won't stick to most
>yyrkoon> spray paints and will end up peeling off. Depending on how
>yyrkoon> large it is it might be better to prime the sucker and paint
>yyrkoon> it by hand.
>
>No. Most MODEL paints will stick to each other. I use Testers paints
>myself and find them to be the best paints for kits. And avoid
>painting it by hand. It will take forever. The paint will dry unevenly
>also, and you will get brush strokes in it.

Speak for yourself.  I'm quite happy with the finish of my hand-painted
Star Destroyer.  I even painted on a lot of windows.  However, if you can
get hold of the right shade of grey in a spray can (or get an airbrush),
spraying is certainly quicker.

What I'm not entirely happy with is the bridge.  Some day, I'm going to
have to get round to rebuilding it.  The forward face of the upper
superstructure looks very unlike that of the one in the films.  If you
can get hold of a good photo of the Star Destroyer, it will be worth
your while to build up your own forward panel with plastic card.

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From: dleslie@aludra.usc.edu (David Leslie)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: New Star Wars Movies
Date: 25 Aug 1992 12:36:10 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Summary: Lucasfilm Fan Club

In article <BtJKHL.JM@wpi.WPI.EDU> mmartin@guardian.WPI.EDU (Matthew Wayne Martin) writes:
>According to issue #16 of the Lucasfilm Fan Club magazine, Issue#17 due
>out next month will have a detailed interview with George Lucas.  This
>interview, it says, will answer all questions about the new Star Wars films.

Does anyone have info on how to go about joining the lucasfilm fan club? 
I'd love to find out how!

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From: tsv@dbrus.Unify.Com (Tim Vannaman)
Subject: Re: From Star Wars to Jedi ....
Keywords: Leeza Gibbons
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 03:36:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.132520.23387@sbcs.sunysb.edu> jorichar@ic.sunysb.edu (The Lurker) writes:
>rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus) writes:
>>tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen) writes:
>>>joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
>[Blah blah ILM stuff deleted]
>'Specially if it'll get them a spot on 'Entertainment tonight' with 
>Leeza Gibbons.

I'd like to be on Leeza, ... er, Enterainment Tonite too! :)

Tim.

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From: MJV@brownvm.brown.edu (Marshall Vale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: News: Topps new cards & WEG new miniatures
Summary: details on card set and list of miniatures to be released
Date: 4 Sep 92 03:43:28 GMT
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 Well no date yet on the cards but I do have more details on them. This
is from the Capital Internal Correspondence magazine, reprinted without
permission:

 "...Topps will not be reprinting any of the cards from their previous Star
  Wars card series. The new set will feature all new art, and it will be
  compreshensive, including top comic artists' renderings of the Star Wars
  characters (Moebius [a famous French artist--mjv] has already done a C3PO
  card), plus art from the great Star Wars movie posters, and production art
  from the Lucasfilm archives, shorts of rare collectibles, as well as art
  from the comic adaptions of Star Wars. In addition, Joe Jusko, who
  produced the Marvel Masterpieces series from SkyBox, will provide a series
  of painted cards for all the major characters of the Star Wars saga."

 Joe Jusko is a very tainted painter whose work you can find in the mentioned
Masterpiece cards out in October. Promo cards are available now at comic
shops if you want a sneak peek at as work.


  Here is the list of the new miniture series coming out from West End
Games:
*    40401 Luke, R2 & 3PO
*    40402 Han, Chewie, Leia
*    40403 Stormtroopers 1
*    40404 Stormtroopers 2
*    40405 Rebel Troopers 1
*    40406 Rebel Troopers 2
Sep  40407 Users of the Force  [Obi, Yoda, Darth Vader I think --mjv]
Sep  40408 Pilots & Gunners
Sep  40409 Stormtroopers 3
Sep  40410 Heavy Blaster/Imp. crew
Oct  40411 Imperial Army Troopers 1
Oct  40412 Imperial Navy Troopers 2
Oct  40413 Rebel Troopers 3
Oct  40414 Rebel Commandos 1
Nov  40415 Imperial Officers
Nov  40416 Stormtroopers 4

 All packs are $4.95US.

 The Dark Force Rising sourcebook will be out in November too.

Enjoy,
Marshall
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