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From: myempire@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Matt J. Martin)
Subject: Re: ST:TMP and ST:TNG music
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 02:40:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.195541.7370@udel.edu> keene@apache.dtcc.edu (Michael Keene) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.152929.7845@ioe.ac.uk> teexijd@ioe.ac.uk (IAN DAVENPORT) writes:
>>
>>On a similar note, here, I notice that Cliff Eidelman seems to have succumbed
>>to James Horner syndrome. The trailer I saw for 1492 sounded very similar
>>to that for STVI, so I was not surprised to notice his name on the soundtrack
>>credit. It might even have been the same piece of music.
>>
>
    What, in the name of humanity, are you talking about??!!!  James Horner
syndrome??!!   Why don't you just compare ST II & II to Glory, and Patriot
Games and then try and tell me they all sound the same.
>
>Blasphemy!  
>
>I think James Horner's scores for Star Trek II and III are just about the
>finest works done for any film.  The music (IMHO) makes those movies what
>they were!  Eidelman's score for Trek 6 was pretty good, but NOWHERE NEAR
>Horner's achievement.  
>
     Amen to that!!  Horner knows how to write a soundtrack, and more than 
that, he knows how to capture the spirit of a film and make it come alive
with descriptive music.  
     Horner's sountracks are masterpieces in themselves.  You don't need a 
movie to enjoy them.  But put them together and you're talking some serious
majesty when is comes to entertainment.


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From: hinson@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Jason W. Hinson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Favorite Trek ENDINGS
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:02:59 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department

I have canceled this article three times now for various reasons. Let's
see if I can get it right this time:

OK, I have never seen this thread in the time I have been here:
 
What is your favorite ending on a Star Trek show?  Perhaps it was
humorous, or perhaps it provided a reflection on something that
happened in the show.  So, name the episode, and maybe even give
the reason you like the ending.
 
As for me (at least these immediately come to mind):
 
TOS- "A Piece of the Acton" and "City on the Edge of Forever"
 
TNG- Well, let me explain why these come to mind:
 
-Inner Light -- a simple ending that spoke to the effect that the
                experience had on Picard.


SPOILERS for "The Most Toys" Follow
 
^L
 
-The Most Toys -- In this episode, Data is kidnapped, and toward the
                  end his kidnapper kills someone basically to see a
                  particular weapon at work.  Data gets the drop on
                  him, but has no immediate reason for killing him.
 
                  The kidnapper practically taunts Data, saying that
                  If only he could FEEL remorse, anger, or ANYTHING,
                  then perhaps Data could kill him.  Data ponders,
                  eventually saying something like-- "I cannot allow
                  you to continue this" and aims the weapon at him.
                  At that moment, the big E comes to the rescue and
                  beams Data away.  But the weapon was discharged.
                  Data insists that something must have happened
                  during transport that caused the weapon to
                  discharge.
                  In the last sceen, Data goes to see the kidnapper
                  in the brig, and tells him that all of the
                  possessions he had "collected" had been returned to
                  their rightful owners.  The ex-kidnapper says some-
                  thing to the effect- "it must make you very proud to
                  see me like this."  Then, as camera slowly zooms in
                  on Data's face, he says (paraphrased)  "No sir,
                  I do not feel anything.  I am an android." He then
                  turns and walks away.
Great ending!
 
-Jay
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From: Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "Probe" and "Imzadi"
Date: Thu,  1 Oct 92 04:49:06 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <8FcXRB7w165w@cowpas.waffle.atl.ga.us>

So let's see.  That's two who don't buy hardcovers (and never go to libraries
apparently) and one who doesn't read Trek novels at all.

It's so heartening to work hard for an appreciative audience.

PAD
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From: tkeiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Anthony L Keiser)
Subject: Troi hotter?  *possible spoilers*
Keywords: Tan; breasts; loss of weight
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 05:06:08 GMT

     Having just viewed Time's Arrow Part II, I just happened to notice that a 
certain Betaziod counsler that we all know and love (as long as she doesn't say
anything) looked a lot, how shall I say, thinner with a tan and more defined 
mamatory glands than in the previous episodes.
     I was wondering if this is some new feature that the FX department has or 
if it really happened over the summer. (OR a third possible explanation-I am 
extremely desperate for female companionship and would take just about anything
that Riker hasn't done)

     Just Curious.



            'Just because you aren't paranoid doesn't mean that everyone
                   isn't out to get you' -- TLK
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From: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: LeVar B. getting hitched & con guests
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.fandom
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Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:42:11 GMT
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I attended StarCon Denver this weekend, and I thought folks might be
interested in knowing that LeVar Burton is getting married.  Brent 
Spiner had to fly to Denver to do the con on Saturday morning, fly
back to LA to do LeVar's bachelor party Saturday afternoon, fly back
to Denver on Sunday morning to do the con again, then fly back to LA
to go back to work!  What a schedule!  Brent is apparently going to
be the "best man."  :-)  No, he didn't give any further details,
sorry!

By the way, I've been con-going for 17 years now, and Brent Spiner 
definitely ranks in the top 3 guests I've seen.  He was super, 
incredibly quick-witted and humorous, but without the condescension
you get from Jonathan Frakes or some of the other guests, both
original series and TNG.  My personal favorites among the con-guests
I've seen are:

Patrick Stewart
Leonard Nimoy
Brent Spiner
Michael Dorn
Dean Stockwell  (Al, from Quantum Leap)
Jonathan Harris (Dr. Smith, from Lost in Space)
Marina Sirtis

Probably the worst guests were:

William Shatner
Jonathan Frakes
Gates McFadden  (only because she was extremely ill-at ease & seemingly
	         unable to comprehend the "con" experience.)

I'd be curious to know who other folk's favorites are.

Kellie M-S
internet::matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
From: g92n3258@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR RL NICOL)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: The old STTOS vs STTNG - sigh!
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:39:25 GMT
Distribution: World
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa


We've had plenty of "Sttng sucks", "The Terrible TOS" on this network, so 
here are my 2 cents (Yes, we also have cents in SA):

Picard and Data are great characters and played by very capable actors.  
Stewart and Spiner are probably the best actors Star Trek has had (Besides 
Nimoy, who ranks along with them).  The characters of Picard, Riker and Data 
are interesting and I like them all very much, however I don't believe they 
can seriously replace Kirk, Spock and McCoy, at least unless something is 
done.  And that is: They are too damn buddy-buddy.  Picard's relationship to 
Riker is no different from Riker's relationship to Geordi is no different 
from... or at least any differences isn't as clear-cut as the Kirk-McCoy, 
Spock-McCoy, Kirk-Spock relationships.  That is where the TOS crew are 
better - their relationships are unique, yet familiar.  We enjoy the way 
they interact.  In a scene with Spock and McCoy, we know how they will react 
to one another.  It varies from the scene with Kirk and Spock.  Whereas in 
STTNG a scene with Crusher and Riker is no different from the scene with 
Geordi and Crusher etc.  The two characters who sometimes do break out of 
the mold are Data and Worf, but this is just because they're not human and 
therefore do relate differently.  The characters are great - the 
relationships are BLAND.

As for FX of course STTNG is better, however I still feel that the TOS shots 
of the Enterprise orbitting the planets (view from behind and front, not 
side-on) are the best in either series, as is the shot of the Enterprise 
moving off into the distant stars at the end of each episode.  The best shot 
yet is the one of the Enterprise heading for the energy barrier in "where no 
man...".  It's really moving.

Well, that's my bit for what it's worth,
Ryan.
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From: tomsed@ecs.comm.mot.com (Tom Sedlack)
Subject: Chicago area conventions
Organization: microcircuits
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:45:48 GMT
Keywords: intro star trek newsgroup weekly


There is a convention comming up this weekend (Oct 10-11) in the Chicago land
area.  Does anyone out there know where it is??  I just caught the tail end of 
the comercial Saturday.

Thanks,

Tom
From: ukoga@mcl.ucsb.edu (Jeff "Koganuts" Koga)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: "Star Trek" Quotes Part 1: "ST:TOS"
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:27:39 GMT

In <1agihnINNdp8@agate.berkeley.edu> ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202) writes:

>Way and I mean WAY! too much Errand of Mercy and only two
>quotes from The Doomsday Machine.  How 'bout "There IS no
>third planet", "Don't you think I know that." and
>"Mr. Spock I order you to assume command under my personal
>authority as captain of the Enterprise."  And, of course, the
>immortal "Vulcans never bluff."

I never implied that my quote list was the mother of all quote lists.  The
reason why there is perhaps too much "Errand Of Mercy" is because that's just
about the only episode I've managed to have the time to take the quotes from.
Like I posted in the intro, being a college student with 18 units takes its
toll on your time. >=P  And when the local L.A. station (Channel 13) took
"ST:TOS" off the air and replaced it with "Night Court", I haven't been able to
get any of the other episodes.


							--Jeff "Koganuts" Koga
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AKA "Indiana" Koga   ||"It's not the years, honey.  It's the mileage."
ukoga@mcl.ucsb.edu   ||--Marion R. & "Indiana" Jones, "Raiders Of The Lost Ark"
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From: b645zax@utarlg.uta.edu (David Richardson)
Subject: Re: Non-existent racism in Time's Arrow (I and II) (minor spoilers)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 03:11:00 GMT

<Minor Spoiler for TAII>

In article <Bv7w1K.Gq0@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes...
>Did anyone notice how strange it was that only a few years after the  
>Emancipation Proclamation that Guinan and/or Geordi can:
Yes.  Startling, but only if you know history.  Those who don't know history
are condemned to repeat it (see Germany, 2 weeks ago).

>* NOBODY questioned either of their skin colors while dealing with town folk.
Yes they did, see below.

>To answer the obvious rebuttal, "Perhaps, but this is a science fiction show  
>and not a political one."
Would you believe "this is a science fiction EPISODE and not a political one?"

Now, back to the prejudice:
When what-his-name confronted Geordi with the cane, he said 
"That is a gentlemen's cane" (or some such).

I may be reading more into this than I should, but I think it was a deliberate
reference by the writers to the racism of the time (& it could/did slip
by any "santizing" process).  Then again, maybe not.

-David Richardson  -  The University of Texas at Arlington  -  +1 817 856 6609
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Postal: 1904 Silverleaf, Pantego, TX 76013-3124 USA    (other nets on request)
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From: rrd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ray Depew)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:59:19 GMT
Subject: Klingon Drinking Song
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc

Hey all,

Have you noticed the detergent commercials they show during STTNG?  My son and
I have learned all the words to the one that shows the two fishing vests.
Since the vests look kind of ratty and rugged, we wondered if they might
be Federation issue.  With the male chorus in the background singing:

	You get a line and I'll get a pole, honey
	You get a line and I'll get a pole, babe
	You get a line and I'll get a pole, 
	And we'll go down to the fishing hole,
	Honey, baby, mine.

we couldn't help but imagine a lineup of warriors in a Klingon bar, kegs
of <whatever> in their hands, harmonizing on this Old Klingon Drinking Song.
Whaddaya think?  Doesn't one of those voices sound like Worf?

Okay, back to lurking ...
Ray Depew
Integrated Circuits Business Division
Hewlett Packard Co, Fort Collins, Colorado
rrd@hpfiqa.fc.hp.com
From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: "Star Trek" Quotes Part 1: "ST:TOS"
Date: 2 Oct 1992 04:17:59 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

Way and I mean WAY! too much Errand of Mercy and only two
quotes from The Doomsday Machine.  How 'bout "There IS no
third planet", "Don't you think I know that." and
"Mr. Spock I order you to assume command under my personal
authority as captain of the Enterprise."  And, of course, the
immortal "Vulcans never bluff."
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From: tlb2665@usl.edu (Burleigh Thomas L)
Subject: Shameless plug
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:25:14 GMT


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entirety on alt.startrek.creative. (Phew.... :)
 I would post it here, but my abestos suit has a few cracks and wouldn't be
able to handle the flames. :) However, I'll post it here also (for all you
unfortunate enough not to have alt.* access) if enough people ask me and to
and send abestos re-enforecments. :)

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From: priss@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Lisa)
Subject: Re: KCOP 13 TNG repeats?
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 05:56:43 GMT

In <Buy2GG.JA5@spock.dis.cccd.edu> markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Mark Bixby) writes:

>Does anybody know if KCOP 13 in L.A. will be airing repeats of each new
>episode this season on the following weekend like they've done in the past?

Yep, they do.  At the usual 5:00pm on Sundays.  The only change they have done so far is moving it from Wednesday to Monday night for the new ones.

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From: heyer@stsci.edu
Subject: Items List for 10/11/92 QVC ST Special
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:17:14 GMT


Here is the list of items for next weekend's QVC ST special. You need cable
to get this. Read the note at the bottom first before ordering. To order,
call 1-800-345-1515. No I am not affiliated with these guys. This is a public
service announcement.

List of Items for the 10/11/92 QVC Star Trek Special
====================================================
hosted by Marina Sirtis at 1400 - 1600 EDT.

item-#                description                                  price  +S&H
===============================================================================
new items (prices for new items are approximate):
----------                                                     
C-10660 Marina Sirtis autogr. plaque                               $100
C-10661 Jonathan Frakes autogr. plaque                             $100
C-10868 TNG holodeck mugs (set of #1 & #2)                         $ 29
C-10885 TNG Inaugural Cards uncut sheets (set of 2)                $ 35
C-10886 TNG "lobby cards" (large LC type photo cards, set of 12?)  $ 19
J-16144 TNG communicator pin w/sound board                         $ 29
T-3202  TNG Game "How to Host a Mystery" (RPG)                     $ 35

old items:                                                    
----------
C-8308  TNG crew photo plaque                                      $ 91.50+5.22
C-9812  TNG Enterprise pewter statue (Rawcliffe)                   $ 26.25+3.72
C-9821  Captain's Poster w/sigs (Shatner,Stewart;lim.2500)         $199.00+6.72
F-3864  NCC-1701-D cutaway poster PLUS NG Technical Manual        *$ 38.50+4.72

The next QVC Star Trek Special on 11/10/92 will be hosted by William Shatner.
It will be at 2100 EDT. 
The one following will be on 12/05/92, tentatively hosted by Michael Piller.

NOTE: all but the following items are (or will be by December) available in
stores or though mail order (to my knowledge): 10660,10661,10885,9821.
Some of the autographed plaques are now available for order by comic book 
stores (and others), according to Previews (also check Advance Comics).  
Let me know if you have further info.  

                                             CloudShape

********************************************************************************
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* voice: (410)338-5017 (9-6 EST)     * items offered for sale or trade. Of     *
* snail: STScI, 3700 San Martin Dr., * particular interest are promotional     *
*        Baltimore, MD 21218         * items of any kind, and foreign items.   *
********************************************************************************
Disclaimer: These are my opinions. No one else would want them.
From: Sem_Hoelscher@hb.maus.de (Sem Hoelscher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Star Trek Chess
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 23:43:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.13

Shacha Lisa!

>   Also, can anyone remember in which episodes the game was played?

[le] TOS: "By Any Other Name"?  I think that's the title...the Kelvins
     take over and get human emotions because they have to take on human form.
It's the "Kelvans", and there they play chess?? Uh?

[le] That's all I can think of for now.

You left out "Where No Man has gone Before", in the beginning, Spock and
Kirk are playing (Kirk wins).

Oyori - Sem [from Northern Germany]
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From: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita)
Subject: ST:TMP and ST:TNG music
Organization: Columbia U., New York City
Reply-To: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 20:14:30 GMT
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	I just watched ST1 for the first time in a long time and
I just noticed that the theme music for ST:TNG is used in the
movie, in the scene where Kirk first appears. Is this a change
from the original version of the movie, or is TNG music really
not original?
	-- Ethan


purgamentum init, exit purgamentum
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From: kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori)
Subject: Re: Yar/Sela returning [I hope!]?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 16:57:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.164213.10608@cs.wisc.edu> steve@picard.cs.wisc.edu (Steven Glinberg) writes:
>
>I saw the following message posted a while ago on rn but never saw any answer.
>Do you know anything about this?  I'm losing sleep over this, too.
>
>
>Here's the msg:
>
>
>From uwvax!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!torn!watserv2.uwaterloo.ca!watserv1!audiolab.UWaterloo.ca!jeffb Sun Sep 13 01:18:07 CDT 1992
>
>
>Spoiler for "The Hidden Driveway" follows,
>Did that work?
>	There is a rumour of an upcoming 6th season episode in which Sela takes
>a Warbird back to the 23rd century (post STVI) and captures several members 
>of 
>the TOS crew in a diabolical plot to alter the course of Federation history.
>It is not certain if Wm. Shatner has signed for the episode or not 
>but apparently Capt. Sulu will be appearing with the Excelsior along with 
>"several
>familiar faces" in the crew.  The uplink date is supposed to be during the 
>week
>Nov. 31 to Dec 6.  Has any one else heard about this?  I am losing sleep over
>this one!  Help!


Nice hoax. 

>

>I would really love to hear anything on weather we get to see Yar or Sela
>again, or anything new on the characters (its been a while since redemption
>and Unification).
>thanks,


Paramount has stated firmly there are no plans to bring back Sela
and that Tasha Yar is *never* coming back.

Of course, this is no guarantee.

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From: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Peter Gabriel and/or Anne Lennox in Season 6???
Date: 26 Sep 1992 19:39:18 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
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In a previous article, destill@mtu.edu (Still) says:

>In article <18omrdINNa4m@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston) writes:
>>  A friend of mine was watching the EmptyV Music Awards last night
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>and said he thought he heard someone say something about either Peter
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Gabriel or Anne Lennox being a future guest star on an upcoming 
>>episode of ST:TNG. 

>You bet!  They're going to be playing Ferengi lovers who go on their honeymoon
>on the Big E-D!  Big plot twists with Lwuaxana chasing after Pete!
>		(you didn't really take Dana seriously, did you?)

  No, I didn't... I didn't even see the show, so it would have been
quite impossible for me to take Dana seriously. In fact, I didn't even
know until I had posted the question here that Dana had said it. All
I had to go on was my friend saying something about it, and he was
obviously not paying close attention to the TV at the time. Hey, it
was woth a query considering the miniscule amount of hearsay I had to
go on, eh?  If nothing else, you got a chuckle out of it.  :)

  Jeff
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