HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sara@festival.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: bi bi baby
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:52:10 GMT

cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:


>Does anybody remember the Bay City Rollers? (Is anybody willing to
>admit it?:-) If so, you may remember one of their big hits was "Bye bye
>baby". The lyrics are as follows:

Sure I admit remembering the Bay City Rollers; you don't have to be
*that* old to remember them yknow (Hi Graham, Angi >{8-) )

So Ciaran, how many times did you have to play the record over to get
the lyrics?  >{8-)

>Inspired by the parody of "Wild Thing" (Bi Thing), I have produced the
>following variation called "Bi Bi Baby".

You're a rotten swine, Ciaran, that's been on my "things I really must
do" list for ages and now you've pipped me at the post.


>Bi Bi Baby	(parody of "Bye Bye Baby" by th Bay City Rollers)
>Copyright Raymond Lynch 1992

Just a minute - *you* have produced?  Since when was your name Raymond
Lynch?

Anyway, Ciaran, the lyrics are a giggle but I feel that some work should
go into making them scan a little, you know?  Like fit the rhythm so we
can sing them?  Then we can form the Bi City Rollers or somesuch and
start doing some gigs...

Sara
From: thom@crayfish.ucsd.edu (Thom Cleland)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: No one ever sends me any hugs
Date: 8 Nov 1992 00:08:06 GMT
Organization: Tenuous at best
NNTP-Posting-Host: crayfish.ucsd.edu

In article <BwyDo8.84M@ibmpcug.co.uk> gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
>In article <s882916.720420377@otto> s882916@otto (Vikki POLLARD) writes:
>>"No one ever sends me any hugs" Vikki whimpered, with a sulky little pout, "
>Oh well, it's been a long time.  You've probably all lost them...
>
>  \                                                               /
>   |                                                             |
>   \  " *** One *HuG* voucher, redeemable only in person *** "   /
>    |                                                           |
>  __|                                                           |___
> /  \__________________                          _______________/   \
>(                      \                        /                    )
>(               }       )                      (       {             )
>(       _______________/_____              _____\____________        )
>(                            \            /                          )
>(                }            )          (            {              )
>(        ____________________/__        __\_________________         )
>(                               \      /                             )
>(                 }              )    (              {               )
>(         ______________________/      \_____________________        )
>(                             \           /                          )
>(                 }            )         (            {              )
>(        _____________________/           \____________________      )
>\            )     \                               /    (            /
> \                  }                             {                 /
>  \                /                               \               /
>   \______________/                                 \_____________/
>    /                                                           \
>   |                                                             |
>   |#############################################################|
>-- 

Now that's some hug!  Can the voucher also be redeemed for hugs to
right-side-up people?

;^)   pretty amazing

Thom!

-- 
Thom Cleland     \ /^^/  >Neural systems/network physiology< >Amigaphile<  
(619) 453-7516    \OO/  >Aoinagi Shito-ryu == bend, and the wind passes <
tcleland@ucsd.edu  ++  >B3 f cdv g++ k+(+) m s+ r+ p growl+ purr++ zzz- <
"Wild magic is graven in every rock, every tree, in every blade of grass"
From: kdc5072@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.D. Colagio)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Purity test list.
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:01:47 GMT
Followup-To: soc.bi
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: kdc5072@ultb

Here si a listing of all the test (purity and others) that I have.  If
anyone wants any, send me mail.  

Note:  if it ends in .paged, it is set up to print out on a 8.5 bi 11 inch
sheet of paper as use in the USA.  Otherwise, it is straight forward text.


here they are...

creativ.tst      creativ.tst.paged    hacker.tst       hacker.tst.paged
math.tst         math.tst.paged       mundanty.tst     mundanty.tst.paged
nerd.100         nerd.100.paged       purity.1000      purity.1000.paged
purity.100a      purity.100a.paged    purity.100b      purity.100b.paged
purity.100c      purity.100c.paged    purity.100d      purity.100d.paged
purity.132       purity.132.paged     purity.200       purity.200.paged
purity.225       purity.225.paged     purity.247       purity.247.paged
purity.350       purity.350.paged     purity.400       purity.400.paged
purity.500       purity.500.paged     purity.600       purity.600.paged
purity.75        purity.75.paged      purity.bi        purity.bi.paged
rice.purity

    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
    =   Kevin Colagio...student at large - Bear code?  You think I   -
    -                aka                 -   know what that is???    =
    =       KDC5072@ultb.isc.rit.edu     -    B2/4 w g++ K s- h+ r   -
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: sconley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen M Conley)
Subject: Re: Bisexual libertarianism ear
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 02:20:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.193047.19343@leland.Stanford.EDU>
mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd) writes:

>Hmm.  Well, maybe somebody (Steve?) might feel there are grounds for
>seeing this in the larger bisexual network.

I'm not sure.  A lot of libertarians are people who've been influenced
by Heinlein, who (at least in some cases) seems to be fairly bi-positive.
Polyamory groups like Touchpoint advertise in the ISIL World Freedom
Bulletin.  I don't know how many openly queer libertarians there are,
but I've often considered starting a publication by, for, and about
LGB folks in the Libertarian movement.  I don't know of _any_ gay or
lesbian libertarians, but I'm sure there are some.

>For reasons that combine
>statistics and prejudice (often the same thing), I'd say it's much more
>likely that the trend is seen in electronically-connected bisexuals.
>It's my belief that there are more libertarians on the net than in the
>population at large.

Yes, I have to agree there.  Maybe if I start that publication I'd get 
some better statistics.  I doubt that there are any LGB people amoung 
the older-generation libertarians, who are mostly conservatives who
realized that they'd never succeed in legislating morality. :-)  But the
younger libertarians are a lot different (a lot more radical!), since
many of us grew up libertarian or at least liberal.

But the net probably is something of a factor.  You meet a lot of people
here you never would otherwise.  I remember running into an Objectivist 
transsexual on the net, but that's another story...

>It used to be said that if you're not a socialist at 21, you have no
>heart.  I liked it when that was true.  Now it seems that one has to get
>into libertarianism instead.

I really hope it's more than a fashion trend!

Steve
sconley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
*WILL REPRODUCE FOR FOOD*
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@amber.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Subject: Re: New Age Androgynous Bisexuals...
Reply-To: orc@amber.uchicago.edu
Organization: Department of Catastrophes
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 06:41:42 GMT

In article <BxBLKn.1y6@ibmpcug.co.uk> gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
|
|I must say, I'm really impressed by the way this group has (ahem) bent
|over backwards to indulge all sorts of bigots and loudmouths,

   Umm, er, excuse me?  Some of us have rather little patience for
idiots, and will drop them into our killfiles at the drop of a
dime.  Please don't make the mistake of assuming that there is a
standard bisexual agenda that anybody, much less "this group",
follows.


|but as
|soon as one of your own dares to criticise you on the grounds of 'PC',
|it's daggers drawn and stabs in the back.

   Piffle.  Perhaps some of us don't think new-age flot is worth
the trouble to even argue about?  You may have noticed in the past
that there's rather a lot of diversity of opinion from the posters
here, going all the way fron new-age to libertarian nonsense. 
(I'll not even start to talk about certain SF writers...)


|This group has lost its sense of humour and sense of proportion.

   It might just possibly have something to do with the tone of
some of your postings, you know.
                ____
  david parsons \bi/ e-slut
                 \/
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: markw@meaddata.com (Mark Wasson)
Subject: Muffin Recall
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:50:40 GMT
Distribution: na

Dumb headline, but couldn't resist...

11/11/92 Dayton [Ohio] Daily News

Meijer Store on Harshman [Road] Recalls Muffins

By Jim Bohman

Meijer Inc. has issued a muffin alert to customers....


Mark

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons)
Subject: Re: my roomie
Summary: Flamebait?  In a flirt thread?
Organization: Department of Atomic Text Units
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:48:59 GMT

In article <1duu44INNt0f@cuda.add.itg.ti.com> winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js) writes:
|In article <BxMFyt.F45@news.udel.edu>, seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore) writes:
||> In article <1992Nov10.233242.22537@midway.uchicago.edu> orc@amber.uchicago.edu writes:
||> >               ____
||> > david parsons \bi/ shy and demure, but still shameless, e-slut
||> >                \/
||> Shy? Demure?  I just don't see it but hey maybe I'm missing something.
||> 
||> From the man who is just bubbling with liberation(you were right muffy)
|
|Very Evident.  And Very Fun, Indeed. REAL e-sluts don't advertise.  they don't 
|*have* to.

   Hate to have to point this out to you, but advertising is an
*essential* part of sluttishness.  (And, for that matter, people
started calling me an e-slut *before* I changed my resume.)  You
don't get results if you don't advertise, as you may learn in the
fullness of time.

                ____
  david parsons \bi/ genuine faux e-slut
                 \/
From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: tackling the bible
Date: 7 Nov 1992 10:34:01 -0500
Organization: P.L.T.S., North Plainfield, NJ, USA
Distribution: soc
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In article <1992Nov6.030445.9227@ultb.isc.rit.edu> noid@nick.csh.rit.edu (ky "$120" hall) writes:

>WARNING!!!    it has been my xperience that some to most of the Christians
>	that i have argued with get all thier "Bible ammo" from the 
>	New Testament and do not consider the old testament to be the TRUE
>	word of God.   so to make effective combat you should take most
>	of your ammo from there as well.
>
>just some advance warning....

Well, the new testament NEVER mentions homosexuality.  You'd think that
if homosexuality was such a horrible thing then Jesus would have
mentioned it at least once.  I mean, if you read the new testament you
find that Jesus talked about EVERY bad thing you can imagine but he
never once talked about homosexuality.

So, if some fundy says the OT is bogus and we should concentrate on
the NT, they're asking for trouble.  (and maybe a date!)

Tom
-- 
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@plts.uucp (home) -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work)
"TUESDAY, NOVEMBER THIRD" is an anagram for "MANY VOTED, BUSH RETIRED!!!"
From: winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: rubbing things (was Re: two men)
Date: 13 Nov 1992 23:49:10 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Incorporated, Austin
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: geek.teng.ppd.ti.com

In article <1992Nov13.213225.23448@cbnews.cb.att.com>, eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans) writes:
|> 
|> Hey, yeah, I got an "ouchie", too.  What am I doing wrong?
|> The first time got a reasonable reaction, but the second
|> one I ended up pulling hair on.....   Hm....  Are the
|> usual practitioners actually bald??
|> 
|> 
|> Piglet, peevishly

I think we need a re-post of the method.  Apparantly, the directions are unclear.
 Should the practitioners or patients be bald?  Is this really more suited to
BDSMers with a tactile fetish?

ee-k
js
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@amber.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Subject: Re: a tiny bit more out
Reply-To: orc@amber.uchicago.edu
Organization: Department of Catastrophes
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 08:00:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.220127.22848@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> nina@Turing.ORG (Nina Karp) writes:
|It's strange -- sometimes I feel guilty for not wearing lots of triangle-y
|buttons, for not being more political about my bi-ness.  I'm a very private
|person, though, and telling the world who I sleep with feels as odd as
|advertising what color undies I'm wearing.  It's my business.

   Yeah, this is true, but doesn't it get kinda annoying every now
and then to deal with listening to the people in the office babble
on and on about their (opposite-sex) lovers, and to have them ask
you if you've got a boyfriend, and when you'll bring him to an
office party or somesuch?  Being *visibly* out tends to discourage
this - after I told my corporate masters that I was taking July off
to visit a boyfriend in Glasgow, this crap came to an abrupt stop
for me (and if I then get painted as a kinsey 6, well, that's okay;
I'd much rather they assume I'm queer than straight.)  The risk of
getting fired is a minor annoyance to me compared to the assumption
that I'm just another member of the heterosexual crowd.

   I've not yet bothered to start putting up photos of the various
people who I'm either sleeping with or would love to sleep with,
though; that might be just a little bit too much visibility for my
corporate masters to stomach ;-)

                 ____
   david parsons \bi/ e-slut
                  \/
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: New Age Androgynous Bisexuals...
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:49:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.172429.10416@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> dwells@lonestar.utsa.edu (Darren . Wells) writes:
>As for you, Kay, I've never seen you rave.  *blows kiss*
>Although that might be fun sometime . . .  ;)

Come on over.  Bring chocolate biscuits; I'll supply the tea and the fire,
and then... RAVE ON! :)

				Kay
-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: my roomie
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:57:47
Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
	<1992Nov7.221615.4321@leland.Stanford.EDU> <BxIsM7.4q6@news.udel.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: seamus@ravel.udel.edu's message of Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:49:19 GMT

In article <BxIsM7.4q6@news.udel.edu> seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore) writes:
> Thank you to everyone who helped make this possible:
> *wink* to Muffy (Hey I learned vi!!!!)

*HUG*....just be glad I didn't try to convert you to Emacs...
*GRIN*...you'd still be a muffin...

Muffy
--

Muffy Barkocy                               muffy@mica.berkeley.edu
~Weavers' fingers flying on the loom/patterns shift too fast to be
 discerned/all these years of thinking/ended up like this/in front
 of all this beauty/understanding nothing~ - Bruce Cockburn
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kdc5072@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.D. Colagio)
Subject: Re: rubbing things (was Re: two men)
Originator: kdc5072@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:01:20 GMT

Muffy Barkocy writes:
->Bethan Davies writes:
->> Me, I'm just a backrub fetishist. Or face, hair, or anything else thats
->> handy. I _love_ giving other people bodyrubs, just the closeness, the
->> sensation of the other person's body. I mean, I hope _they_ enjoy it
->> too :), but I definitely get much pleasure just from that physical
->> contact....
->
->*happy sigh*...yup.  There's really nothing like rubbing someone else.
->When I'm around anyone I feel affectionate towards, it's literally hard
->to keep my hands off them, rubbing and stroking whatever is available.
->People just feel *so* good under my hands.
->
I agree 200 %...but the (potential) problem is doing it to someone who
thinks that a back/body rub is a prelude to intamacy, when it may not
be...but rather is just something you like to do...

This especially occurs when I give straight friends back rubs...Anyone have
any suggestions on clarifying this situation?

->Headrubs, now those are great.  Running your fingers through (or over,
->for short haircuts...*grin*) someone's hair while they melt...*shiver*
->
hmmm...never had a head rub ...well, you know what I mean... but I do know
that I LOVE the feel of my hand(s) running through the short hair that is on
someones head...In fact, I did that to one friend, and he said, "Do you know
what that does to me?"  I said, "Yep!" and kept it up....<grin>

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    =   Kevin Colagio...student at large - Bear code?  You think I   -
    -                aka                 -   know what that is???    =
    =       KDC5072@ultb.isc.rit.edu     -    B2/4 w g++ K s- h+ r   -
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: noid@nick.csh.rit.edu (ky "$120" hall)
Subject: Re: Finally Doing It ... Coming Out
Organization: Computer Science House @ RIT
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:50:21 GMT

In article <1ddgn3INNkoh@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
>
>I talked with my mom for the first time in a month yesterday.
>
	[stuff deleated for space and bandwidth conservation]
>
>God, I'm scared.  I hope I don't lose my guts by the time thanksgiving comes
>around the corner ...
>
>-roy
>
>
>-- 
>Roy S. Rapoport          rsr@soda.berkeley.edu             rsr@ocf.berkeley.edu
>"Letters from you make me feel good."  -Laura Creighton
>                          if (silence) { death() ; }
>DISCLAIMER:  "I meant every word of it, but I doubt anyone else did."


i definately(sp?) know the feeling....
	i am planning/trying to get the courage to tell at least my mom 
	over thanksgiving break.   not only do i have to tell her that i am
	bisexual but i also have to tell her that i am transsexual.  i think
	the hardest part is the fact that i have already told her once and she 
	seems to be in a state of denile.  i almost don't want to tell her
	again but i can't keep inside any more....  hurts too much.


so many big e-hugs to you roy     and much good luck on top!!


-simply noid

ps  i guess this could be my de-muffin post since i have yet to post one  :-)
From: vashti@concave.cs.wits.ac.za (Vashti Galpin)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: definitions, motivations, and a question (was Re: Altruism)
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:51:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: concave.vashti.721669894
Organization: none, I'm resting

In <MUFFY.92Nov10140657@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
>That last seems to have rather a lot of bi-relevance, by the way.  I was
>reminded of this by a recent (read it a couple of minutes ago)
>demuffining.  Why is it that there's so often the question of *doing*
>something (sex) with members of both sexes before saying you're bi?  Why
>isn't it based on attraction rather than action?  I was pretty much this
>way myself, but I still don't understand it.

I think it is more difficult to come out as bi when you have not had
actual sexual experiences with members of one of the sexes. I am happy
that on soc.bi I can define myself as bi without having to list the
actions that I have done. (in my case, I have not had sex with a woman
(excluding some experimentation at the age of twelve or so) although I
am definitely attracted to them). But one of the reasons that I am
reluctant to come out off the net, is that there may be people out
there who will be quite accepting of me as bi, until they find out that
I haven't slept with all the sexes (I'm losing count of how many there
are :-). But having sex with a women to prove I am bi is just not an
option. And sometimes I have my doubts about being bi and ask myself
who am trying to kid.

But in general, I really feel accepted by all of you and it keeps me
going. Hugs to all.
                                                                ____ 
                                                                \bi/ 
Vashti                                                           \/
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: a tiny bit more out
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 01:58:43 GMT

 fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:

>> And fondling all & sundry at floor-huggles instead of
>> just the motos? There are degrees of outing.
>
> Hmm.. I guess so, but then again, that /was/ amongst company whom (at least,
>as far as I know) already knew I was bi -- so it's not really outing myself at
>all.

Hmm, yes. I apologise. I intended to make the point that you weren't closeted
(like, attending Bi meetings and the above-mentioned snugges). Sorry.

[brass OUT triangle and silver brooch]

> I suspect that a lot of this is due to people either plain not knowing what
>they're meant to refer to, or not thinking along the desired lines when they
>/do/ try to work it out.

Ah, well, the silver brooch isn't a specifically motss thing, it's just a
"there's more to life and sexuality than which gender(s) make up your sex
life". I expect people to recognise a goldy triangle with OUT in relief
across the top, though, especially as it was a symbol people could catch on
their telly if they switched on during OUT. If they actually watched this TV
gay/bi/lesbian "magazine" and failed to realise what they were watching...

And "OUT" is a recognised term; the press run articles on outing.

> Whereas a ``Bisexual Pride'' t-shirt os fairly blunt,

I like sophistication, and a tad of ambiguity, I'm afraid.

Tanaqui
From: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: New Age Androgynous Bisexuals...
Date: 12 Nov 92 10:32:44 GMT
Reply-To: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Organization: Do they make a washing powder called Caliban Automatic?

In article <1992Nov11.135335.6061@harlqn.co.uk> daveb@harlqn.co.uk (Dave Berry) writes:
>P.S. Several times durting this thread I've been tempted to flame Graham
>into the ground, but I've resisted the temptation.  I want a medal :-)
>(But I'll settle for a hug :-) ).

I think this hug is mine to give, since I've completely failed to resist.
  __                                ____
\/ o\ Paul Crowley pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk \  /
/\__/ "I'm the boy without a soul"   \/
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