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From: camden@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Rany Jazayerli)
Subject: Carl Everett - Why does everyone think he's so damn good?
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:12:00 GMT

	After seeing all the protected lists that people have posted including
Carl Everett, and after the Marlins took him with the FIRST pick of Round 2,
I decided to take a look at the guy's stats to see what everyone saw in him.
I didn't see much, that's for sure.  His stats this year: a .230 average, a
291 OBP, and a .328 slugging average.  He had only 12 walks in 183 at-bats,
and didn't show that much power (8 doubles, 2 triples, 2 homers), though he
did show some speed (11 stolen bases in 14 attempts).  He's only 23, so I guess
he could improve some, but he certainly doesn't look like the kind of guy
you would want to protect.  Was he injured or something this year?  There has
to be SOME reason why everyone thinks he so damn good?

	Just my $2.46.  Any responses on Everett would be appreciated.  Thanx.


	Rany Jazayerli.			camden@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu
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From: hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Comments on NL protected lists
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:54:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxtIzE.3yD
Organization: NSSL

In article <1992Nov14.075046.1831@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>
>St. Louis: Am I the only one who doesn't get excited over Brian Jordan?  
>

No.  No.  No!  NO! NO!!!!, etc.  I have to admit that my blood pressure goes
up several notches when he plays and when he signs enormous contracts, so if
you count that as excited, I admit to it.  I don't know if there was 
something in Jordan's contract that led to him being protected, but I'm not
very happy about him or Ozzie Canseco being on the list.  The fortunate 
thing for the Cardinals is that most of the prospects are not eligible to
be drafted since the team did a lousy job of drafting in the late-80's.

Harold
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-P. Bavasi on Dal Maxvill's view that Florida can win the NL East in '93
From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Hot Stove Quotes
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:51:20 GMT
Organization: CSE Dept., UC San Diego


In article <20NOV92.03420006@vax.clarku.edu>, hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:
 Famous Baseball Quotes, Casey Stengel :

We've got this rookie kid, twenty years old; in ten years
he has a chance to be thirty.


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From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch)
Subject: Re: Phillies #1
Organization: Somewhere just far enough out of Toronto
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:46:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.004832.132751@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>
	mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN) writes:

>In article <gf3awC600WB54SLJRq@andrew.cmu.edu>, al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Amit Likhy

>>What the hell is a Phillie?  That has to be the worst name for a professional
>>team ever.

>Damn, I've never seen such a moronic post, what does one call Philadelphia for
>short?  Answer: Philly, hence the name which pluralized for the team concept
>is the Phillies.

The term "filly" is also used in to describe a certain kind of race
horse. I thought it was a cute play on words, actually.

Want to complain about strange team names? maybe someone can tell me
what is:

An Expo? (A team full of world's fairs?)
A Rocky? (Where are Boris and Natasha?)
A Red? (Warren Beatty and a bunch of communists?)

>You wouldnt say the Boston Red Sock.  It may not be the most
>inventive name but at least it makes since.

Even the worst of them has a kind of, um, *charm*. At least pro baseball
doesn't have any Knickerbockers or Hoyas or Bills or North Stars.

Yet.
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From: shadow@r-node.gts.org (Jay Chu)
Subject: Re: A TRUE RUMOR!  Sandy Alomar for Pat Borders
Organization: SkyDome
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 04:47:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.031046.22899@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>>Well, the Indians have offered the Blue Jays always-hurt catcher Sandy Alomar
>>in exchange for World Series hard working MVP catcher Pat Borders.
>
>>Apparently Pat Gillick turned this offer down.  But, Gillick wants
>>Baerga included in the deal.  The Indians said, in that case, short stop
>>Manuel Lee must be thrown in the deal as well.
>
>>I don't understand this deal at all.  Roberto Alomar is already in 2B, why
>>need Baerga?  Could Baerga be used for another trade????????

Sorry guys, I was corrected by someone on another network who said
that it wasn't Manny Lee, it's actually Kelly Gruber and Pat Borders for
those two Cleveland Indians.  No matter what, still doesn't make any
sense.  Hope it doesn't happen.

>And why would the Blue Jays *want* Sandy Alomar, unless they think it
>will make Roberto happy?  If this were the reason, it would be awfully
>idiotic.  Among other things, it means you can never get rid of him (cf
>Billy Ripken) until you've signed Roberto to a *long* term deal.

It's an offer by the Cleveland Indians, the Jays didn't want it.

>Anyway, as to why Toronto would want Baerga, the answer is, because he
>used to play third, I guess.  They could put him back there, and somehow
>I think the added offense would more than make up for Gruber's glove.

Oh, that makes some sense now!  Baerga to play third when Gruber leaves!
Very good idea.

>I have no idea why Cleveland would give Baerga up for this, let alone
>Baerga AND Alomar.  I don't believe this rumor of yours.

BTW, wasn't Gruber originally from the Cleveland organization?
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:47:18 -0500 
From: Anuj Gupta <ag4i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Phillies #1
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Let, me explain to you all out there in net land why the Phillies whould
be the top pick to win the National League east in 1993.  First of all,
let's go over this monsterous lineup-
CF: Lenny - nothing more needs to be said - the average Joe Shmo knows
that if he stays healthy, he is going to at least hit .290, score 80-90
runs, and steal ate least 30-40 bases.

2B: Mariano Duncan - this guy is a flat out hustler - not only was he
one opf the league leaders in hits for most of the season, but he also
was one of the leaders, in doubles.  He can be counted on to produce at
least a .265-.275 average with 10-15 hr's, 70 rbi's and about 20-30
sb's.  And this constant production hides his sometimes suspect defense.

1B: Kruker -  last year was no fluke people - he can hit, he can play D,
and when his knees and back hurt, stick in Rickey Jordan who as a backup
will produce about 40-50 rbi's.

C:  Daulton - two years ago the Phils gave him an outrageous 3 million a
year for 1/2 of a good year.  But last year Lee Thomas showed that he
knew what he was doing.  Look for about 20-25 dingers accompanied by at
least 80 rbi's next year.

3B: Dave Hollins - Q: Name more than two 3rd baggers last year who had a
better year than Hollins - A: Sheffield and Pendelton.  That's it, in
his first real full season he is one of the NL's premier hitters and he
can only get better.  
Look for an average around .300 with about 24 hr's and about 80-90 rbi's.

LF: Wes Chamberlain - You know things are good when you have the ability
to bat who is capable of hitting 25 hr's and knocking in 70 runs a year,
and stealing a few bases along the way.  Although his D may not be the
greatest, his offense takes care of that.

RF: ? - Now this a fairly grey area, considering Murphy is basically
done.  But Lee Thomas has said that they will aggressively seek a power
hitting right fielder as a free agent.  Could a Joe Carter, Barry Bonds,
etc. be in the picture.  If that becomes the case, then obviously this
is the wrong spot in the order for the RF and this lineup will become
the best in baseball.  If not, then there are a number of fairly decent
hitters in the system including - Tom Marsh,  Tony Longmire, and maybe
even #1 draftee Chad McConnell.

SS:  Batiste, Juan Bell, Joe Millette, etc. - Take your pick, it dose'nt
really matter as long as they plat defense.  Why don't they stick
Morandini back ast his original position.  He can hit .270 and play the
field- I guess that's too easy a decision


Later - Look for the rest of the reason's why they will win, including
their now amazing starting rotation, and their suberb closer. Only on
the net can you get good stuff like this
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Bucs losses
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:41:53 GMT

In article <9909@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave) writes:
>What do we get if we tote up a balance sheet for the Pirates, designating
>their gains and losses in the Steve Buechele fiasco?
>
>	Losses:	Hector Fajardo
>		Kurt Miller
>		one year in which Kevin Young didn't play in Pittsburgh
>		one year in which Jeff King *did* play in Pittsburgh
>		whichever free agent they could have signed with the money
>		   they paid Buechele (maybe even Bonilla, or McGwire this yr)
>
>	Gains:	1.3 years of Buechele at third
>		.3 years of Danny Jackson
>		Danny Jackson's remaining salary commitment
>
>*OUCH*
>
>Have I missed something here?

Yes.  When the Pirates lost Danny Jackson in the draft, they *didn't* lose
some other player.  So that player (whoever he may be) is technically a
"gain."
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From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Predictions '93
Date: 21 Nov 1992 16:39:59 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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     It's going to be awfully tough before the free agents are signed, but
right now my division picks would be:
     In the A.L. East, it looks pretty sure to be Toronto because noone else is
likely to be as good, unless the Jays lose at least 2 of Carter, Cone, and
WInfield, in which case it'll be the Orioles.
     In the A.L. West, it'll be either the White Sox or Twins, depending
on who gets Kirby Puckett.  Any word on where he's inclined to go?
     In the N.L. East, it's Montreal in a rather easy race for the top.  The
basement's the tricky one.   Okay, Miami has some good young talent, but
who can finish behind them?  The Mets, if their pitching really sours and
HoJo stops hitting, but that's unlikely.  The Phillies have a good offense,
so I doubt they can.  Cubs and Cards are middle of the pack teams, with
the Cards probably eeking out second place ahead of the Bucs.  So, despite
the jokes about how bad the division is, I doubt the Marlins will escape
the basement.
     In the N.L. West, Denis Boucher will allow a huge number of homers
playing in his new park, and Ritz, Aldred, and Boucher alone will allow over
100.  The Rockies could allow 200 as a staff.  Fred McGriff will launch a
few balls 500 feet, but San Diego won't quite have enough pitching to overcome
the Braves.  Maybe in '94.
     Assuming Puckett signs with the ChiSox, can you imagine an offense
with him batting behind Frank Thomas?  The opposing hurlers won't want to
pass Thomas, and he could get 150+ r.b.i.s!  Or, do you bat Puckett in
front of Thomas?  If the Sox sign him, and McDowell has another good year,
the White Sox will have their first world title in 76 years.  Otherwise, I
think it'll be the Braves.
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From: lynch@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Howard Lynch)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:23:47 GMT
Subject: Re: ANOTHER EXPANSION DRAFT POOL
Organization: OCD IC MFG
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here's my entry.  an idea on a tie-breaker is earliest time-stamp on
entry.  my late entry has a lot of 'rumors' built in which seems 'unfair' :-)

hl


ATL: Nied
CUBS: Harkey
CIN: Sanford
HOU: Juden
LA: R. Mejia
MON: Barbarie
NYM: Navarro
PHIL: Mike Williams
PIT: Lind
STL: L. Alicea
SD: J. Melendez
SF: Decker

BAL: R.Milligan
BOS: S.Taylor
CAL: J.Felix
CWS: Hibbard
CLE: S.Scudder
DET: P. Clark
KC: L. Aquino
MIL: J.Tatum
MIN: A.Newman
NYY: Muelens
OAK: Chitren
SEA: Briley
TEX: Reimer
TOR: N. Wilson

First Overall player: Nied

hl
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From: wayman@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jeffrey Wayman)
Subject: 2 draft questions
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:09:56 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

(1) Did Lee Smith get protected after the first round?  I'm 
    figuring it would have made sense for one of the two teams
    to take him and trade him to a contender in August for
    at least 2 prospects.  It would have been worth 3/4 year's
    salary.

(2) Why in the world would the Denver Post fail to print lists of the
    players drafted?  I'm telling you, Denver is baseball hell.


Jeff
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From: arrow@netcom.com (Les Arrow)
Subject: Re: Comments on Round 1 of the Expansion Draft
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:26:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.231616.18972@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.220415.128883@zeus.calpoly.edu> jplee@zeus.calpoly.edu (Jason Lee) writes:
>>I was wondering......
>>
>>Why on earth didn't the Angels protect Bryan Harvey?  Maybe Mr. Lu will have
>>a comment on this.
>
>Good question.  I think that it's because the Autrys are cheap. :-(
>
>Losing Harvey is a big blow.  Harvey may not return to his former
>dominating self, but he being set up by Joe Grahe would be very good.
>Now, the somewhat questionable Grahe will have to do it by himself,
>probably set up by Mike Butcher and Steve Frey.  Not a sight that I
>savor, really...
>>

Well, the Autrys are definitely tightening their wallets for this season.
But Grahe did a real good job in that closing spot last season. I think
the argument is if you already have a competent closer, why keep the 
3 million dollar man who just came off surgery. 

Now hopefully, with this money freed up, they can sign Abbott. Of course,
they still have their work cut out. Can you say NO OFFENSE? Unless Salmon
becomes the major league hitter he was in the minor leagues, they really
have no one in this line up. Curtis and Polonia will set the table. Who
will bring them in? Rene Gonzales? Gary Gaetti? Maybe they can resign Von
Hayes? ACK!


--Les
From: lsmith@pico.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Australian Ball - Strange ground.
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:37:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Nov16.013711.23541
Distribution: world
Organization: Stadia Squid of the Poor

In article <griffin.721701840@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> griffin@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Sean McGerty) writes:
>Sydney Blues(Blue Jays) vs Perth Heat(Astros).  -(affiliations)
> 
>Imagine a home ground that looks like this....
> 
> 
>                 |\
>          ______ |.\  <-- Net 
>         /      \|..\
>        /        \ ..|
>        \         \ .| 30ft
>         \         \ |
>          \         \|
>           \        /
>            \  /\  /
>       300ft \/  \/ 230ft
>              \  /
>               \/  
> 
>My question is, are there any grounds in the states this demented?

Not anymore. Or at least not to my knowledge. In the past some teams
played games on fields almost this bad. (Yo DHT, how bad was Nicolet?)
Some major league teams that had moved played games in converted stadiums
that had really strange proportions. Some minor league teams also played 
in strange stadiums. However, most modern fields are fairly regular and
the newer ones (with the notable exception of (OPa) Camden Yards) are quite 
dull. 

That screen in right does remind me of the the Hefty Bag in MetroDome.

I'll take a look at Green Cathedrals and see if I can come up with 
some comparable parks. 

How deep is it to center?
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From: jplee@zeus.calpoly.edu (Jason Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Mitchell for Charlton and other trades.
Date: 24 Nov 92 00:58:21 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

In article <41384@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers) writes:
>In article <4200358@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes:
>
>>o Swift won't last as a starter because of his arm.
>...
>>one sometime starter, sometime closer (Swift)
>...[prediction]
>>o Swift becomes the closer but has continued arm problems
>>o Jackson remains the most solid contributor of the three

I don't see how Jackson is so great.  Sure, he is a good middle reliever,
but he is too inconsistent to be a closer.  There is no way Jackson
contributed more than Swift did.  Hello?  Bill Swift won the National League
Earned Run Average Championship.

>There has been some comment that Swift will become the closer.
>Has this been reported in the Bay Area or is it just fantasy?
>It sure looked like Beck has proven that he can be a topnotch
>short reliever, I'd expect him to keep the job fulltime.
>Dave DeMers			 ddemers@UCSD   demers@cs.ucsd.edu

Swift will never be the closer of the Giants, for several reasons.  Rod Beck
is still the ace, and will be for some time.  This season was not a fluke
for Beck.  He was solid absolutely everytime out, save for the 5 run
shellacking he took on Turn Back the Clock Day.  I wouldn't have any qualms
about Swift being the stopper, since he has that great sinker, but he had
so much success as a starter that I don't think the Giants will be willing
to lose so many innings out of Swift especially when we already have a great
reliever.

My big question is:  What is the deal with Jeff Brantley?  This guy has been
one of the Giants better, but wilder pitchers over the last few years.  I
think there is no question that he has a great arm, but where is the ideal
place to use him.  As a closer, he didn't quite make it, earning the
nickname Mr. Excitement.  In an experiment late in 1992, Brantley was put in
the starting rotation, and threw some gems, and putting a great jolt in his
ERA.

So where does Brantley go?  To the rotation, to perhaps be a #2 or #3
starter, or to the pen to be Rod Beck's caddy?
  
-- 
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From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok)
Subject: Re: Cy of Relief (Eck)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: world,local
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 15:22:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.030013.3422@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> cs3ea3ai@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Edberg '92) writes:
>>> Congrats to Eck.  I know that a lot of people say that relievers don't
>>> deserve the Cy Young, but Eck had such an incredible season that he
>>> deserved it.  
>>
>>I think that the voters were trying to honor Eck somehow for his past 5
>>years of stellar performance.  And with no dominating starter this year,
>>this honor came easily.
>
>I think the time has come for two awards, one for a starter
>and one for a reliever..

that is a good idea.

another good idea would be an award specifically for non-pitchers like
the cy young is for pitchers. that way we could avoid the incessant
arguments about whether or not a pitcher should win the MVP. you could
have an award (or awards) for best pitcher, one (or more?) for best
hitter, and finally, MVP, which could truly be the "most valuable"
player, either pitcher or not.

i wonder why there is no batting equivalent of the cy young...

--
charles
From: wilbanks@spot.Colorado.EDU (Wendell Gee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: HoF vote --- some suggestions
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:05:51 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

gerry@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (Gerry Myerson) writes:

>2. Similar comments apply to the Negro Leagues. None of their stars is 
>close to induction in the r.s.b. HoF. Considering that within ten years of 
>the desegregation of Major League Baseball we had Mays, Aaron, Banks, Frank 
>Robinson, Campanella, etc. --- certainly a match for Mantle, Williams, 
>Musial, Berra, etc. --- it seems safe to say that the best players of the 
>Negro Leagues were on a par with their contemporaries in the white game. So, 
>why not save them a couple of places on your ballot? 

How about we open a wing of the r.s.b Hall of Fame for Negro Leaguers? 
A seperate election, too. Not knocking the current system, but I think that 
if we can just recognize them for their accomplishments and get 'em in, 
we can make sure people don't forget Josh Gibson and Cool Papa Bell.

Oh heck, how about a wing for Japanese players, too? :)

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