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From: keys@csmes.ncsl.nist.gov (Larry Keys)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Sentra installs? How bout Integras?
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:31:09 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology

In article <78798@ut-emx.uucp> baylor@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Baylor) writes:
>
>	Anyone do an install in a newer Sentra? Integra?
>	Do BA 5.2s fit easily? How bout tweeters?
>	How bad is the wiring? How easy is it to modify and work around?
>	This time around I'd like no cutting.
>	Equipment includes so far BA 5.2s, Power 100, sony 10disk changer,
>and maybe an Odin and 2 Kicker 12"s if i think they can fit in the
>trunk (probably have to redo and make smaller the box).

There is an Integra install in the "Choices" column of September's Car
Audio and Electronics.



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From: jch@sumac27.cray.com (J.C. Hamlin)
Subject: Re: Connections: Head Units -> Amps ?
Originator: jch@sumac27
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:14:10 CDT


In article <5216@dove.nist.gov>, keys@csmes.ncsl.nist.gov (Larry Keys) writes:
> Can someone tell me, is it really necessary to purchase those
> expensive RCA phono plugs?  I need at least 16ft of length for my 
> car, for four head unit outputs.  For Phoenix Gold, StreetWires
> Monster Cable etc., this would cost at least $80.
> 
> Couldn't I use Radio Shack brand cable & RCA jacks, and make my own
> custom length cable?  If i took this route, should the cable be
> 2-conductor?
> 
> Is there any audible difference between the high priced shielded cable 
> and a Radio Shack or some other inexpensive brand?

Well, here's another FAQ folks.  I guess I'd better finish it up and post it 
quickly before we are showered with more requests.

Wiring & Connections

Q: What kind of RCA wires should I use?
A: First of all, RCA is a type of connector (you know the male and female 
   plugs on the ends), it is not a type of wire.  The proper term for this is 
   interconnect wire (with RCA connectors).  However, you shouldn't be using 
   *wire* either, you should be using shielded wire -- also called *cable*.  
   So, what you are looking for is called interconnect cable.
   In the home environment there aren't that many sources of RF noise, so 
   only minimal shielding is required.  However, in an automotive environment 
   there are many sources of RF noise (as we all know too well), so a high 
   quality cable is almost a must.  The general rule of thumb is buy the most 
   expensive interconnects you can afford.  That can be anything from Phoenix 
   Gold's bottom of the line (least expensive), to up to $2,000/pr.  I don't 
   know of many people that would pay that much for interconnects, so what I 
   usually see is people paying about $1-$2 per foot for cable, and about $10 
   for a pair of ends -- which is about the prices you'll find for high 
   quality car audio interconnects.  That should get you into the ballpark of 
   triple shielded, low capacitance wire (what you want).  Of course there 
   are deals to be made and bargains to be found, so happy hunting.

   To point you in the right direction in your hunt for wiring and 
   interconnects for car audio purposes, you'll find that Esoteric Audio's 
   Streetwires tops the list in price; but that doesn't mean they are the 
   best though. Other companies such as SoundQuest cost considerably less and 
   have the same quality.  Some other companies to look for are Phoenix Gold, 
   Monster Cable, and Scosche EFX.  

J.C. Hamlin
Automotive Sound & Security by Hamlin
jch@Cray.COM

P.S. In my opinion, of all of the types of car audio wiring products, the best 
     value and most comprehensive line is SoundQuest -- which is perhaps why I 
     chose them as my primary source of products.
From: chenh@neptune.ecs.csus.edu (H. Philip Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: CENTER CHANNELS
Date: 1 Sep 92 03:44:25 GMT
Organization: CSUS

trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort) writes:
>[...]
>  What units are available for center channel processing? Not head units
>since I already have one - I was thinking about a processor that could
>be fed by my elec. Xover and then fed to an amp to drive the center
>channel.... anything out there?


Audio Control makes the model ESP3 which basically takes 2 channels (L & R), 
and splits 'em into 3 channels (L, M & R).  It has some features to tweak 
the sound.  Actually the ESP3 is primarily a spatial restoration processor
(probably explains the price), and the center channel output is part of the 
system.  The focus of this center channel can also be adjusted.

Some DSP units have the pre-amp level center channel outputs too.

Some Alpine _amps_ have center channel outputs, directly to the speaker(s) --
that's if all the speakers are hooked up in a certain way using some coils 
and caps.  I can probably describe it a little if you're curious, or you 
can check it out at your local dealer.  The wiring diagram and notes are 
documented in some of their user/installation manuals.  (That's basically a 
passive system, not an active one.)


Good luck!


-phil
From: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: CENTER CHANNELS
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:58:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 

-> I'm interested in adding a center channel to my Honda Accord
-> system (not the factory system). Anyone done this or know of
-> a book/article detailing center channel installations?

  Is your Accord the new body stuyles(1990-up)??  I have info. on the
old body styles.

Erich Lim
  Internet add:  erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us
                                                      
Organization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 20:12:53 -0400 
From: Amit Likhyani <al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Instructional videos

I want to learn how to make those cool door panels where they use
expanding foam and fiberglass to build out of the door panels.  I saw an 
ad for this exact thing in Car Audio and Electronics for $50.  Is this worth
it?  What are people's experience with these tapes?  Would anyone want
to go in with me(legally of course)?

Mit
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: moskowit@tronsbox.xei.com (Len Moskowitz)
Subject: Kicker Solobaric Experience?
Keywords: Are they for real?
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:54:24 GMT

Has anyone played with the Kicker (Stillwater Designs) SS-12?  Has
anyone been able to confirm their Thiele/Small parameters?  On paper
they look very good, putting out serious bass in a very small sealed
box.


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moskowit@tronsbox.xei.com (preferred address)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: jonul@microsoft.com (Jon Ulrigg)
Subject: Re: Car audio Equipment
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:06:43 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Aug26.183219.6476@microsoft.com> jonul@microsoft.com (Jon Ulrigg) writes:
>It's an audio sale, below are the following equipment, all in excellent
>condition, reason for selling this is to free up money for a new computer
>
>
>Alpine 7915  Cd/Tuner   $325

Wow, that was quick, above is what is left!!  Thanks for all of your inquiries

Jon
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From: sabiani@droogs.vbo.dec.com (Stephane SABIANI)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Mail order... where ?
Date: 31 Aug 92 11:30:56 GMT
Reply-To: sabiani@droogs.vbo.dec.com (Stephane SABIANI)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Hi,

I'm looking for a company where I could buy a CD player for my car by mail. 
Is there a list available ? Are there any catalogues on the network ?

I would also be glad to get a summary of the reviews that have been
posted here. 

Is there an FAQ for this conference ?

Thanks in advance,
Steph.
From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Center Channels
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:28:30 GMT
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory

I'm interested in adding a center channel to my Honda Accord
system (not the factory system). Anyone done this or know of
a book/article detailing center channel installations?

a big thank you...

-- Tim
Organization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:34:16 -0400 
From: Amit Likhyani <al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: For Sale:
	<17ii38INNpgt@lisa.cs.widener.edu>
Distribution: usa

After effectively redoing my car stereo this summer, the following is no
longer of any use to me:

Pyramid PB-300G.  This is 75 watts x 2, bridgeable.  $75
Pyramid CR-74.  This is a 3 way electronic crossover.  It is basically the
                same thing as a Coustic XM-3.  It has a frequency extender
                for driving just tweeters, mono/stereo subs, potentiometers
                for crossover frequencies, parallel input, 12 DB boost at
                50Hz.  Surprisingly, it has some noise suppression 
                circuitry - more than the Sony XEC-1000 that I replaced it
                with.  I had to do a lot to get the Sony quiet and the
                Pyramid by some miracle did not give me any noise.
                $50.

JBL - T50       these are 5 inch midrange drivers.  They actually sound
                pretty good.  Caveat, they are among the ugliest speakers   
                I have seen.  If you cover them in a grille, they sound
                great - just not as good as my MB Quart's.

                $35.

I will pay shipping.  Make me an offer on any of the items listed.
Call (412) 621-8412 or send me mail.

Mit

Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead)
Subject: Re: carpet glue 
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:36:20 GMT

ehawrysh@bmers217.bnr.ca (Evan Hawrysh) writes:

>I just finished building an isobaric enclosure using a cardboard tube.
>I now want to cover it in some automotive carpetting and I was wondering
>what kind of adhesive would be best suited for this application? I also
>have a plywood endpiece, so the glue would have to adhere to that as 
>well. Any suggestions? Please respond to the net, as I don't have email
>access.

   Carpet adhesive. If you can't find any, silicone would work. It's the
Universal Wonder Drug.

Muff :)

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From: mf@dancer.uucp (24241-fusco)
Subject: Mail-order numbers....
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 17:54:01 GMT


Anyone have the numbers for some decent car audio mail-order
places (e.g., WDS, Illinois Audio)?
Is there a FAQ list?

Thanks

marc
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    Marc Fusco				AMA #638663
    mf@dancer.cc.bellcore.com		DoD #418
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From: tcuhl@crchh483.BNR.CA (Thomas Uhl)
Subject: Anyone done an RX7 (87) sub install?
Reply-To: tcuhl@crchh483.BNR.CA (Thomas Uhl)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:05:39 GMT

I'd like to get some more bass in my 87 rx7 and am wondering
what people have done. I don't want a box in the back, I want to hide
everything. Has anyone had any success putting an enclosure in
one of the luggage compartments behind the seat? I'd like to just
use one of the compartments for a sub and leave the other one to
put CDs in. How about the spare tire well? Those are the only two
places I can see where there is room to hide an enclosure.

====================================
Tom Uhl @ Bell Northern Research
Dallas TX
====================================
From: armhold@action.rutgers.edu (George Armhold)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Saturn audio system guide (request)
Date: 30 Aug 92 18:39:33 GMT
Organization: DIMACS @ Rutgers University

ellisk@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Michael K. Ellis) writes:

>reasonably priced and better than what Ford puts in.  If there's a
>'guide to the 1993 Ford Probe GT Audio System' along the lines of the
>post for the Saturn Audio System, I'd appreciate it very much.  I still

Could someone please re-post (or mail me) this article on Saturn
stereo systems?

Thanks,
-George
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From: gallant@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Gallant)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Choosing an Amp and Subs
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:18:57 GMT
Reply-To: gallant@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Gallant)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Stay away from Pyle amps.

I have an A200 directly coupled to a subwoofer (-3 dB at 22 Hz) with
an active filter in front of the amp (crossed over at 50 Hz).

When the amp is turned on or off it gives an unbelievable thump.  Sent
it back to Pyle and went through hell.  The said it tested fine.  But
they were not testing under correct condition.  They finally agreed
that there was a problem with the amp and said that the boards would
be changed.  I got the amp back and opened it up.  The replacement board
looked disgusting, Burn from overheating, components bent over.....
I installed it back into the system and it still thumps.

I called Pyle back up and they proceeded to blame the speakers, crossover,
mounting, wiring....finally one engineer agreed that the amps do thump
and said that I should purchase a high quality amp (hinting that their
amps are not high quality) with a slow
turn on with no thump.  Pyle amps make this claim in their adds but
I guess its false advertising

Rob

gallant@oasys.dt.navy.mil
From: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: SONY CD CHANGERS AND SKIP
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:53:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 

-> I have a home CD Changer, so I'd decided to get a Sony 10-Disc system
-> for my car to use the same cartridges.  So I hopped over to a local
-> dealer, and this is what he told me:
->
-> "We will sell you a Sony if you want one, but I'd advise against it.
-> We are a licensed Sony dealer, so if you twist my arm, I'll install
-> one for you. But we've had a lot of problems with the Sony units
-> skipping.  So I'd advise you to get another system, like Kenwood..."

-> "They used to, but after complaints about the skipping, Kenwood
-> decided to part with Sony.  Now they have an excellent and small
-> 10-disc changer which to my knowledge hasn't had any skipping
-> problems so far."

  That's right!!  Stay away from Sony!!  Sony's are notorious for
skipping any not being able to track scratched up discs.  Now, some
people out there don't have a problem with their Sony's, but most of my
friends DO have problems with Sony's.  So stay away from them.
  As for Kenwood, they are awesome!  I have a Kenwood indash.  Their
disc magazines are made by Sony and use the same basic mechanism, but
the Kenwood's still are better.  For a CD changer, I'd get either an
Alpine or Kenwood.


Erich Lim
  Internet add:  erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us
                                  
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: chenh@neptune.ecs.csus.edu (H. Philip Chen)
Subject: Re: CD changer opions
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 09:20:55 GMT

tumbush@tigris.eng.ohio-state.edu (Gregory J. Tumbush) writes:
>Hello all,
>  I'm requesting peoples opions/experiences on the following brands of
>CD changers.  As it stands I will probably go with the Denon setup.
>
>1) Sony - Unilink setup is a must because all Sony's will be in this 
>   configuration in a year.  Various reports of skipping on rec.audio.car.

I've got a U300 changer for a few months already.  I don't have any
real serious complaints about it.

It skipped once when I was testing and installing it -- I dropped it a 
few times (on the seat) just to get it to skip.  It finally did; after 
some not-so-gentle persuasion.  

Since then, I've been thru/over potholes, rough roads, RR tracks & etc.
The changer handled all of those surfaces without a hitch.

The only time when it skipped while on the road was last week.  That was 
when I bottomed-out the car's suspension.  I heard (and felt) the car's 
bump-stop bushings loud and clear!  (I'm glad those kinda thing doesn't 
happen everyday.)  Anyway, I can't blame the changer for skipping then.

If and when a U300 skips due to extreme shock, it would pause for 2 or 3 
seconds, and then continue playing as usual.

Other than that, the U300 has been pretty faithful.  No problems with it.

Also, it doesn't slash my discs.  Just a few short hairlines near the 
edges, and that's very acceptable to me.  Some are still scratchless,
even after going thru the mechanism/cartridge a few times.  (I also have 
some discs that I absolutely refuse to put into any changer; those are
for my single-disc home player only.)

Anyway, the U300 sounds just like a CD player -- with all the clarity & 
dynamic range.  I'd recommend this changer it to anyone who is interested.

The only gripe is the long audio cable with RCA-ends that Sony threw in
looks terribly fragile, like it would vaporize if we stared at it.  1/2 :-)
That's no biggie -- there're lots of good/better audio cables out there.


>2) Blaupunkt - Not much info on this brand.  Found that their earlier
>   changers were made by JVC.  Now they are made by Sony.
>
>3) Denon - No negative publicity yet.  Excellent reputation for home
>   CD players.
>
>
>All of these brands have a head-unit with tape and CD changer controls for
>around $325 and a ten disk changer for around $425. 

Good luck with your selection.  Just pick the one that you like best.


Best wishes,

-phil


Usual disclaimer:  I'm just a customer.  Your miles may vary.  
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From: ehawrysh@bmers217.bnr.ca (Evan Hawrysh)
Subject: Re: carpet glue
Keywords: Adhesive
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 13:33:25 GMT

Thanks for all the replies on what type of adhesive I should use for
glueing down carpet for my enclosure. I tracked down the local 3M 
supplier and purchased 3M90, applied it, and so far so good! 
Thanks again for all the replies.

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	Bell-Northern Research				the flow when I'm rollin', in my 5.0"
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From: gregh@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (G. Hurtault)
Subject: Re: CD options
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 11:20:30 GMT


  Hi there people...
  I'm looking for a CD-player only for my car. I don't want a changer
  in my car so I'm going the route of a single player instead. I've
  only seen one player in the stores and it was around $400 Cdn! I've
  seen some players made by Radio Shack and they are inexpensive! I 
  am curious as to their reliability... (I drive a Daytona) so it should
  be somewhat shock-proof.  I don't want to be flamed for considering
  R.S. since it's not you who has to pay for it in the end!!!

  All I ask is for some advice in the selection of a good CD-player...

  Thanks...
           Greg.

  ps. I don't want a tuner with it! I have one already!!! Just a player...

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From: insomnia@carson.u.washington.edu (Ryan Klemmer)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Passive L+R network?
Date: 26 Aug 92 08:39:39 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

Anybody out there know of a way to blend the left and right channels
into mono for use in a subwoofer or center channel using passive 
components (is it possible)?  If not, what is a good method for 
actively summing the two channels (in a way that can be built using
active components, op-amps etc.)?

Also, does anybody have a schematic for a speaker-level to line-level
adapter?

Ryan (insomnia@u.washington.edu)
From: ehawrysh@bmers217.bnr.ca (Evan Hawrysh)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Mustang speakers...
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:35:09 GMT
Organization: bnr

In article <1992Aug27.162943.1905@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, mf@dancer.uucp (24241-fusco) writes:
|> (Sorry if this is reposted - I didn't see it here after the storm)
|> 
|> 	I have a 1989 Mustang 5.0 LX and want to replace
|> the speakers (2 dash, 2 front door, and 2 rear) to get a little 
|> better quality without having to also replace the cassette/amp
|> unit (factory) also (but am willing to hear suggestions on decks too).
|> (I also don't want to spend more than the car is worth :-)
|> 
|> Suggestions?
|> 
|> Thanks!
|> .....................................................................
|>     Marc Fusco				AMA #638663
|>     mf@dancer.cc.bellcore.com		DoD #418
|> .....................................................................

Do you have a sedan or a hatch? I've got an 88 5.0 LX into which I installed
my system. I assume by "amp" you mean the factory amp under the (passenger?)
seat. I installed JBL separates - JBL T51`s in the doors and T05's in the
dash, and used the T05's passive xovers. Do you have power windows? If so,
you'll have trouble fitting the T51's or just about any decent driver in the
door and behing the factory grill (BTW the T51s are 5.25"). It's a good fit
otherwise, and the sound from the set is great! Those titanium tweeters bring
out the highs, alright.

I've got the hatch and fitting speakers into the factory locations is tough,
to say the least. I squeezed a pair of 6x9's in there. You'd have to fashion
your own mounting apparatus to support them behind the factory grills, though,
as the originals are screwed to the grills and the grills can't support any
sort of decent driver. If you go with a set of 4x6 or 5x7 plates, those should
fit nicely. If you have a sedan, I believe 6x9's fit in the rear deck no
problem.

If you decide to go with aftermarket amps, you can fit them under the seats.
I put an amp and 3way xover under one and a 4ch amp under the other.
(for the hatch; the trunk of the sedan has some good amp mounting areas). As
for a head unit, if you have the premium sound w/eq, its probably worth keeping.

I hope this is of some help to you.

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