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From: mfleig@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Mark W. Fleig)
Subject: Singin The SBOS Blues
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:34:36 GMT

Well, I've had my GUS for a few weeks now, and I must say it's a fine
piece of work. Compared to my MT-32, it's lacking some of the
robustness of the straight synth, and it bothers me I can't mix both
MT-32 and GUS using SBOS.... but I'll cope.

Here's what won't work and when, but who'll tell me why:

Wolf3D:  Digitized sounds cut out before they can start. Nothing
	 but clicks and static for gunshots, screams, etc..

T2029:   All digitized sounds work fine, until an explosion. Then 
	 the explosions are the only things that will come through.
	 It's almost like once the eplosion is loaded, it wipes out
	 the other sounds completely.

Etc...:  For the most part, the digitized sounds aren't coming through
	 as they should. AAnd beleive me, I've tried all the -o
	 settings. This is with the default GUS settings, on both a
	 286 and a 486. Mind you, the 486 does seem to have an OPTI
	 chipset, could this be the problem, or do I simply need to 
	 up the memory count on the board? (Currently just 256k)

Hey, thanks.
 -mark



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From: isc10192@nusunix1.nus.sg (KOH KHANG WEE)
Subject: Re: release date of SB16 ?
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:47:32 GMT

dunguyen@ecs.umass.edu wrote:
: Hello all,
: I sold my Thunderboard a while ago, and was hoping to buy the
: Sound Blaster Pro 16 as a replacement.  Every month, I look though
: almost all of the computer magazines, and the two companies that
: keep on adversing the board do not have them.  I called in many
: times (Last 3 months of Computer Shopper) and talked to them about
: their ads, but they keep on saying that they won't get the board
: until January.  I wonder why they keep on putting it in.
: 
: Anyway, can someone tell me the real story behind this.  I have
: quite enough info about the board.  I just need the date of which
: it will be available to be purchased.  I am sure some of you who
: work for Creative Labs can release this info, can't you?
: 
: 
: Thanks!!!    Duc

it is out ! emmm... only in the states (supposedly) this from a creative
salesman..... at USD349.95 (i think). if u get it tell us about it !
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From: markus@clement.info.umoncton.ca (MARC PAULIN)
Subject: Re: GUS problems
Organization: Universite de Moncton
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:41:28 GMT

In article <92352.013252RSDASTIC@MTUS5.BITNET> Roger S. Dastick <RSDASTIC@MTUS5.BITNET> writes:
>Date: Thursday, 17 Dec 1992 01:32:52 EST
>From: Roger S. Dastick <RSDASTIC@MTUS5.BITNET>
>Subject: Re: GUS problems

>                 Star Control ][ (worked flawlessly in the 386dx/40)
>                                 (mine(386sx/20withIntel) works much better
>                                   with shadowing off, tho not perfect)

	Although the box says "386sx or better recommended", GUS users with 
286 computers should not be afraid of buying the game.  I have a 286 16MHz 
and the game works flawlessly with sharp animations and WONDERFUL music!!!
I'll have to tape the soundtrack!!!  It's soooooo good!!!!!
	Looks like the game use the MOD technology to produce music and 
sounds on the SB and SBPro.  Am I right?  Maybe that's why they recommend a 
386sx or better on the box.  But for the GUS, the game doesn't have to mix 
the samples into one channel.  The result is a gain in speed, therefore the 
game is playable on a 286.  But again I have to ask: am I right?  I didn't 
hear the game on a SB or SBPro.
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From: ry01@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT YUNG)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: Sbos!=SBPRO
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:01:18 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <78212@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt3017a@prism.gatech.EDU (Guy Elden Jr.) wr
ites:
>In article <1992Dec13.010623.9510@ac.dal.ca> scoh@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>In article <c60a-lj.724212012@danube.Berkeley.EDU>, c60a-lj@danube.Berkeley.ED
U (Rasputin) writes:
>]> y'know, this question may have been asked before, but the one thing that I
>]> dont' understand about SBOS, is why does it only support SB and not SBPro?
>]> From the programs that I have seen, there is a current trend in software,
>]> especially games, to support the SBPro these days.... and I know that the GU
S
>]> has the ABILITY to support the pro...
>]>
>]>   *** rest of article deleted ***
>]>
>]
>]I have seen people talk about The GUS and SBOS not supporting the SBPRo..
>]But you are all wrong wrong wrong wrong.. See The SBPro.. is a big Sham..
>]Amnd You can ask Gravis for this...
>] But See the SBPro DOES NOT have true stereo.. Alls it is is 1 sound blaster
>]coming out each speaker.. (2 Monos).... This is true. And
>]In games That support SB Pro.. You will notice that Their is no SBpro
>]Sound file... It is the same as the Sb Sound File... Alls it does is
>]supposedly turn it into stereo...
>] Since the Ultrasound IS STereo.. When you chose Normal SB.. You ARE gettingg
>]SBpro Support... Coming out in Semi Stereo.,. Its all A Sham put on by
>]Creative labs,, And Not a whole lot of people know abou tit...
>] but Gravis does.. and Sbos v1.1, and 1.22 DOES support the SBpro..
>]But To do it.. You just chose SB in any game....
>
>   Whatever you're trying to say, you may be right, but you are wrong about
>SBOS supporting SBPro (at least in its current version).
>
>For the record, choosing SB will give you just that, Soundblaster support, not
>SBPro... I dunno where you came up with the  did, but it doesn't.
>
>And so far, SBOS only supports regular ol' Soundblaster. It is true that the
>GUS definitely has the hardware to emulate just about any soundcard produced
>so far, due to its wavetable synthesis, and stereo output, and I'm sure that
>Gravis will eventually support SBPro, since that seems to be the one thing
>people still think about in deciding to buy an SBPro over a GUS. We'll just
>have to wait and see how things go in the months ahead....
>
Does it really matter? How many programs actually support the SBpro? And when
one does, can you *really* notice any difference in sound quality?
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From: ptran@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Phat H Tran)
Subject: Re: Ordered a GUS, what do I do?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:14:06 GMT

In article <1gmncbINNmdf@agate.berkeley.edu> joak@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan A. Kung) writes:
>Okay, I done gone and dunnit.  I called up Disk-Count and placed
>an order for a GUS.  2-day shipping to get it to my house by the
>end of this week.  Cost: $129+7 US.  I checked my chips for the
>OPTi label before ordering, and thankfully, they were absent.
>
>Now what do I do?
>
>I've been reading the newsletter and this group (albeit not too
>closely, I hadn't really believed I would be getting a GUS before
>Christmas, but there it is...), and gathered some stuff, but could
>anyone with tips, recommendations, advice, etc please reply?  I'd
>like to get the card set up and running in as little time as possible.
>
>I'm wondering mostly about:
>1.  What kind of RAM specifically should I get.

You need 6*44256 chips, rated at 100ns or less.  A reasonable price
would be about $30.

>2.  What kind of software (mod-players, music-makers, patches, songs,
>    etc.) I should download.

Download all the MIDI files you can get your hands on.  A good selection
can be found on archive.epas.utoronto.ca.  In particular, grab scdemos.zip.

Also, since most MIDI files are configured for MT-32s and SCC-1s, they
might not sound correct on the GUS.  So, get WinJammer 2.2 off of
ftp.cica.indiana.edu to twiddle with the songs.

>3.  I'd like to be able to keep playing Stunts with non-internal-
>    speaker sound, and I have an AdLib right now.  Can the GUS and
>    my AdLib coexist in my machine?
>

Maybe, maybe not.  I've got my SB coexisting, but there are problems
with the Adlib compatibility.  I have to first run and then uninstall
SBOS before games would recognize my SB as Adlib-compatible.  

However, SBOS works very well with the Stunt Island demo, so it should
work with the full game itself.  The sound is about just as good with
SBOS as with a real SB.  You may not need the Adlib.

Phat.
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From: icarus@ing.puc.cl (Eduardo Jimenez)
Subject: 2 Question About PAS 16..HELP
Organization: Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:29:49 GMT

 Hello, about 1 month I have a pas 16, great card!, sounds cool at all.

  But I have two questions...

  When I m sampling in 44 khz, enhanced stereo, 16 bit, the windows hang up....
may be my computer is some slow(I have a 386 DX 33, 106 HD).

  How can I cut the noise sounds when I put the treble until max and enhanced
stereo option, I ' tried recording to a deck from my soundcard, but it records
with the HSSSSSSSSSS......

thanks in advance 
ICARUS@MALLOCO.ING.PUC.CL
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 13:24:49 EST
From: <DXR8@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: Soundblaster Pro & Soundblaster Pro 2 ?
 <1992Dec11.142935.6529@mfltd.co.uk>

In article <1992Dec11.142935.6529@mfltd.co.uk>, sts@mfltd.co.uk (Steve Sherwood)
says:
>
>In article <1992Dec10.231208.9445@ac.dal.ca>, scoh@ac.dal.ca writes:
>|> In article <1078@dgaust.dg.oz>, brown@dgaust.dg.oz (Fred Brown) writes:
>|> >
>|> > Could someone please tell me the difference between a Soundblaster Pro
>|> > and a Soundblaster Pro 2 ?
>|> > Thanks
>|> > Fred
>|>
>|> The main difference is Sb pro V1.0 Is the origianl Crap. And Sb Pro II Is
>Crap
>|> Version 2.0... Nothing wqorth looking at.. Just stick with the GUS.
>
>Just because you own one of the other makes of sound card, doesn't mean that
>the sound blaster is crap.  The sound quality on both makes is very good.
>If you are the sort of person whojust because he has one make of something,
>everything else is crap, then why don't you go and argue in the PC v AMIGA
>wars in rec.comp.  It people like you with "Blinkers on" who keep up these
>inane and useless arguments.
>
>Steve
>--
I totally agree.  You can sure tell some of these folks own "this card or
that card" and everything else is CRAP.  If you like your card so much, tell
them how good your card is, but give the rest of us a break from the CRAP.

Brian

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From: markus@clement.info.umoncton.ca (MARC PAULIN)
Subject: Re: Will these RAM chips work on my GUS?
Organization: Universite de Moncton
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:26:54 GMT

In article <1go4j1INNned@travis.csd.harris.com> leoh@hardy.hdw.csd.harris.com (Leo Hinds) writes:
>From: leoh@hardy.hdw.csd.harris.com (Leo Hinds)
>Subject: Re: Will these RAM chips work on my GUS?
>Date: 16 Dec 1992 20:46:25 GMT

>In article <Orakel.56@sarpih.no> Orakel@sarpih.no (Jens Kr. Kirkeb) writes:
>>These won't work! The chips should say 44256-10, -08 or -07. That's 
>>256kx4bit (128Kb). Those chips you have are 256kx1bit (32Kb). Also
>>your chips is 150ns, when they should be 100ns or faster.

>256kx4=1024k (=1M) & 256kx1=256k

The chips 44C256 are 4 bit.  Therefore, they're only 128K on the GUS.  
Therefore, you need 6 chips to have a memory of 1024K with the already 
resident 256K on the GUS.
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From: krw1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Kevin Weiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: When will multichannel get equal time?
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:26:37 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <168BEC144.NETOPRBL@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu>, NETOPRBL@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu
(Christopher Lane) writes:
>What the title says.
>Why is it that every sound card company out there (except for Soundblaster)
>completely alienates PS/2 users? (please avoid such flame-bait as "ps/2's

It's simple economics.  If there were a significant market, there would be
cards available.  Even IBM has abandoned the Micro Channel in their new
consumer grade machines.

My suggestion would be to get an IBM Audio Capture and Playback Adapter,
which is a respectable 16-bit digital audio card.  It is supported under
Windows and OS/2 (though if you insist on using the latter, you'll have
lots more to complain about in terms of lack of support).  If you want
external MIDI capabilities also, get a Key MIDIator to connect to your serial
port (probably not to be supported under OS/2).  If you want MIDI and decent
sound synthesis, add a Roland SC-7 serial module.  Same GS sounds as the
Sound Canvas series, plus MIDI connectors (but also unlikely to be supported
under OS/2).  Unfortunately, none of the above options have a large base
of support under DOS (the MIDIator having the best driver availability).
Windows 3.1 is your best bet; that's were everyone is throwing their
support.
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From: simon.noel@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Simon Noel) 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: SBOS HANGS
Date: 12 Dec 92 13:04:00 GMT
Reply-To: simon.noel@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Simon Noel) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Freddy's Place BBS - Edmonton, AB - 403-456-4241

Hi all.  If possible, I'd like a little help as to a problem I have with
my GUS.  Whenever I try to run SBOS with a -x3 switch, it hangs right
after I hear "SBOS Installed".  Has this happened to anyone else?  I'm
running a 486SX-25 with EMM386 and stacker, and have played around with
all the different DMAs and IRQs, nothing seems to help.  Can anyone
enlighten me on what's going on??  This happened with both v1.20 and
v.122b.  Thanks!
From: jleon@phakt.usc.edu (Juan Carlos Leon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 Covox/LPT DAC Driver (1/1)
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:06:08 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

Oh, I missed it! Can anybody repost this driver please?
I'll really apreciate it.

Thanks!

Juan Leon
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From: ptran@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Phat H Tran)
Subject: Re: Singin The SBOS Blues
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:49:26 GMT

In article <BzB7Do.MMs@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> mfleig@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Mark W. Fleig) writes:
[...]
>
>Etc...:  For the most part, the digitized sounds aren't coming through
>	 as they should. AAnd beleive me, I've tried all the -o
>	 settings. This is with the default GUS settings, on both a
>	 286 and a 486. Mind you, the 486 does seem to have an OPTI
>	 chipset, could this be the problem, or do I simply need to 
>	 up the memory count on the board? (Currently just 256k)
>

I'm inclined to say that it's the OPTi chipset, Mark.  When I asked the
net to mail me if they had problems with the GUS (SBOS, SETUP, etc.),
7 out of 9 reported that they had OPTi-based motherboards.  The other two
people had a 1987 ZyMos chipset and one by Chips and Technology.  And, as
I recall, the C&T person solved his problem by fiddling with his Adaptec
card.

Phat.
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From: swkgohw@nuscc.nus.sg (Sir Launcelot Du Lac)
Subject: Re: SB16 Released at Last!
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:44:45 GMT

gting@fraser.sfu.ca (Gabriel Sii Kuok Ting) writes:
: 
: Sorry, but what exactly is prebuilt MIDI sounds? If you meant the onboard 
: ROM like the MT-32 (or was it the SCC-1?), then the answer is NO.

Aye, that is what I meant :)

: However, the standard GUS comes with 256k of RAM on board (exp to 1Mb)
: for which to load the MIDI patches. This is infinitely better than having
: a fixed set of instruments on ROM since newer patches can be recorded and
: used on the GUS. 
: 
Is this really better?  I mean, art there any possibilities of clashes
with system RAM?

It sounds to me that the whole thing is analoguous to having TSRs that
emulate SB, and we know what sorts of problems THAT may result it


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From: yxl5388@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Fractalman)
Subject: Re: Can you backup your system to CDs?
Originator: yxl5388@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:16:58 GMT

In article <85495@ut-emx.uucp> captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bran Muffin) writes:
>In article <1992Dec12.101143.25318@u.washington.edu> mower@stein.u.washington.edu (The Lawnmower) writes:
>>jorgense@plains.NoDak.edu (Lee A. Jorgensen) writes:
>>>In article <c60a-lj.724017781@danube.Berkeley.EDU> c60a-lj@danube.Berkeley.EDU (Rasputin) writes:
>>>)jasmith@admin1.memst.edu (John) writes:
>>>)>CD-ROM drives can you write information to the CD-DISK?  This is true isn't it.
>>>)>I have just assumed this.  I can back up my harddrive on a CD can't I?
>>>)CD-Roms are Read only.  The only possible way to do this would be to find
>>>)someone who presses CD's....
>>
>>>OR, buy the new drive that can WRITE CD-ROMS.  (of course you need a blank).
>>>problem ... ~$8000.
>>
>>ROM stands for Read ONLY Memory.  
>
>
>"Floptical" drives do NOT have to cost $8k.  I was just at the U.T. 
>microcomputer center, and got a quote on a read/write 128Meg optical 
>drive for PC-$1880, MAC-$1455.  I don't know what the media costs, but
>it can't be all that much.  These drives claim an access time of 63ms;
>not bad considering everything else (cost, reliability, longevity, 
>storage space...)  It would be a great way to store lots of digitized
>sounds (ob. soundcard ;-).

Flopticals are not CD-ROMs. There are machines that can write to special
CD's. (The gold type, like PhotoCDs.) I know people that have them. I
think most people are confused about all the different types of
magneto-optical drives on the market.

- floptical- 20 meg floppy disks
- CD-ROM drive- reads CD-ROM discs
- CD-ROM writer- writes CD-ROM discs, requires special discs. Data can
  be written to the disc once.
- WORM drive- write once, read many- requires special WORM discs. Data
  can be written on the disk and it's possible to append data onto the
  disk. Just like a hard drive without the ability to delete files.
- Optical drives- uses magneto-optical disks. Ability to erase data
  that has been written to the disk. Comes in 3.5" 128 meg or 256 meg
  versions. Or 5.25" 600 meg or 1 gig versions.

=Fractalman
From: bx955@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Todd Glazier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: Emagic Soundcard (Ensoniq)
Date: 13 Dec 1992 17:16:16 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bx955@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Todd Glazier)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, ylee@norton.uwaterloo.ca (Yuri Lee) says:

>
>Last I heard that Ensoniq decided not to get into PC sound card business after
>all. Are you sure about this ( Emagic soundcard ) ??
>
>

Well, yes I am sure I saw the ad:

"                A New Logic...

                 [insert picture here]

                       ...is coming your way!

                             EMAGIC
                             ...we make computers groove.

Distributed by:  Ensoniq Corp."

Keyboard  January 1992 pg. 105

I called a Synth Store here in Detroit, and the Ensoniq rep said the card 
would be out in January, and that it uses the Ensoniq Wavetable Sythesis chip
being used in quite a few new cards.  Actually, Ensoniq has decided to do the
total opposite of not going into the computer market, they've started a whole 
new baby corporation. Hence Emagic, dist by Ensoniq.

     
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From: wildthing@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Got GUS, now what do I do?
Date: 20 Dec 92 18:23:59 GMT
Organization: Wright State University

I just got my GUS.  I haven't installed it yet, but I was wondering if
there were any files or docs that I should get from an FTP server
before I put the board in my machine.  Any help in this area will be
greatly appreciated!!!!
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From: turkstra@smaug.cs.hope.edu (Screwtape)
Subject: GUS and Spectre PC.          
Organization: Hope College Dept of CS
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:02:42 GMT

Has anyone gotten the game "Spectre / PC" to work in SB mode with SBOS?
I can only seem to get it to work in Adlib mode...  Cool game. 
	
-- 

Chris Turkstra
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Traveling the Internet with a load not properly tied down.