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From: apuri@us.oracle.com (Arvind Puri (Dr. Bombay))
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale,alt.models
Subject: Re: Swastikas
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:52:20 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation
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In article <CRUSADER.92Oct16125011@eero.it.lut.fi> crusader@lut.fi (Mikko Hy|kki) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.223426.4173@daimi.aau.dk> lhp@daimi.aau.dk (Lasse Hiller|e Petersen) writes:
>
>   Finland and swastikas -- this reminds me: didn't Finland use swastikas
>   (dark blue, on a white circular background) as national insignia until after
>   WW II?
>
>Yup.
>
>   I remember, many years ago, when I was puzzled to see an American airplane
>   (A Curtiss?) with swastikas, in a catalog.
>
>   I guess Finland stopped using this because of the nazis?
>   How did the swastika come into use in Finland as a national symbol?
>
>It was the symbol of Count XXXX ( swedish ), who gave the Finnish AF their
>first airplane.

   I remember seeing models on display at India Hobby Centre in Marine Lines,
Bombay which had swastik' decals on the fuselage and tail. Didnt really bother
anyone, as I recall. 
   I'm kinda curious, how did an ancient Hindu religious symbol for prosperity
get adopted by the Finnish AF and the WWII Lufwaffe ? 


Arvind Nath Puri 

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Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
From: stauffer@src.honeywell.com (Don Stauffer)
Subject: Modelcad
To: rec.models.scale
Posted-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 08: 42:26 CDT
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:42:26 GMT
Received-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 08: 42:27 CDT

   Is anyone using MODELCAD?  I have been using some shareware CAD software
to do model drawings for scratchbuilding.  The adds for MODELCAD sure look
good.  But then I don't always believe all I read in ads, especially for
software.  Anyway, if anyone has tried the package, I'd be interested in
impressions.
From: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: Motorcycles
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:08:37 GMT
Reply-To: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, loki@nazgul.physics.mcgill.ca (Loki Jorgenson) says:
>
>	Does anyone know of a line of scale plastic model motorcycles
>besides Tamiya?  I'm looking for 1:5-1:15 scale with a mix of styles
>(race, sport, cruiser, dirt, tour) in relatively current models.

I would like to find motorcycles in 1:24 and 1:20 scale, primarily in 1:24.  

A scale model of the Honda Goldwing with camping trailer would be nice.

Thanks.

*Paul
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From: bruceb@mpd.tandem.com (Bruce Burden)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Really spiffy (tm) zimmerit metholds?
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:59:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: devnull.2650
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX



	I am looking to zimmerit a JagdPanther, and would like comments
    from netland what really spiffy(tm) methods duplicate the zimmerit.
    Besides the metal "comb" and the "smear it on, scribe it later"
    methods, what works for you?



							Thanks,
								Bruce



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From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: Politically Correct Models
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:09:43 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Oct15.130756.29222@spectrum.xerox.com>, Sprague.Wbst311@Xerox.Com writes:
> 	A model is just that.  I am building a minature version of an
> actaul thing that existed!  It is NOT political statement of any kind,
> and it is NOT meant to offend anyone.  

As a modeling magazine editor, I once made the mistake of running a
"germanic" sport design with a swastika as part of the decoration.
In other words, NOT a historic scale model, but a fantasy-type model.
The purpose of the swastika was to place the model in the obvious
historical milieu.  Well, after the mail I received, I'll never do
it again.  It's just not worth the grief.

> 	As to Political Correctness, I am not a fan either.  I feel
> that you should avoid saying or doing something because you KNOW
> it's wrong, and you CARE about not hurting someone.  You should not
> feel you have to behave in a certain way, because it is politically
> correct.

Indeed, the scolding I received seemed designed to produce guilt, 
rather than to educate me.  

> 	Chuckle, for that matter, the swastika symbol is a lot older
> than the Nazis.  Off the top of my head, I don't remember where it
> origionally came from, but I think it was some sort of religious
> symbol at one time.

The Navajo Indians, I'm pretty sure.  Though to me it seems more likely
that the Nazis adopted it from some independent chain of descent, given
the success that the Navajo "code speakers" enjoyed against the Germans 
during WWII.
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From: dbingham@vcd.hp.com (David Bingham)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Peanut Scale?
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:15:35 GMT
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Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
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Are there any Peanut Scale (or Pistachio for that matter) modelers out
there?

David Bingham
dbingham@hp-vcd.vcd.hp.com
From: coirier@lerc.nasa.gov (Bill Coirier)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Me-110 Model
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:18:56 GMT
Reply-To: coirier@lerc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland, OH

howdy folks:

does anyone know who makes a good 1/48th scale Me-110?

i'd really like to add one to my collection.

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From: st1ec@rosie.uh.edu (Tse, Oliver)
Subject: Re: Guillows Models
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:02:00 GMT

In article <9210161937.AA12902@spot.src.honeywell.com>, stauffer@src.honeywell.com (Don Stauffer) writes...
>   One thing I do when covering a section of the plane which is metal on the
>prototype is to cover with card stock, specifically used computer punch cards.
>Some cards are only punched in a couple of columns, so almost the whole card
>is useable. The stock is ultra thin, and embosses very well for rivet detail.
>More important, some sort of plastic is added to card to resist moisture-
>induced change in dimensions.  As a result, it takes paint very well.  One
>coat of paint for a primer-sealer, a very light sand (or steel wooling), then
>finish coat.
> 
>   I also use this on model ships, and mentioned it in an article I wrote for
>Ships in Scale.  If anyone is interested I will post the issue.
> 

Yes!  I am definitely interested.  Ships?  I love ships!  Any info is most
welcome!

Oliver
st1ec@rosie.uh.edu

>PS  The thing I forgot to mention about punch card stock is that it can be
>obtained free, or at very low cost!
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
From: s325@brems.ii.uib.no (Oyvind Brusevold)
Subject: Re: Liberty shop model
Organization: DevNull A/S
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 10:07:46 GMT


In article <1992Oct7.104615.1@summer.chem.su.oz.au>, piton_m@summer.chem.su.oz.au writes:
|> Micheal:
|> 
|> It seems that there a quite a few of us [wooden and plastic model ship 
|> builders] out there, but I suspect that few have computers on our desks...
    .
    .
    .

Ok! Here is another model ship builder! For a long time i have wanted to build
autenthic models. So, eureca! My birthday present was a model from the danish
manufacturer Billing Boats. Ever heard of them? It's a beautiful model. However, it is
my first model, and I really don't know how and where to start.

So, this group turned up on my News, an it looked interesting!

Does anyone of you wooden model ships builders have any tip, like any suggested books
or something? Maybe some of you have experiences with 'Billing Boats' ?

I would bee very grateful! Don't hesitate to e-mail me.

PS. It's a wooden model ship. Size: l.o.a: 75cm, height:59cm. DS



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From: matt@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Query:  F104 kits
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:23:07 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

I am interested in building a number of models of F104 Starfighters of various
types.  What are the best models of the F104, and which should be avoided?  Has
anyone built Revell's 1/32 or one of Hasegawa's new 1/72 castings?  Is Ver-
linden's update kit REALLY worth the cost?

Matt
From: st1ec@rosie.uh.edu (Tse, Oliver)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: Die cast metal models
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:31:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct15.184134.26180@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>, ijb@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Ivan Baird CET) writes...
>Hello modellers - Does anybody know where I can get a catalogue of any
>die cast metal models? I do know there used to be such kits, but I have 
>not seen any, nor has a co-worker. I am not talking about the 
>pre-assambled kits, but rather the kits you assemble yourself.
> 
>Thanks for any assistance in this matter.
>-- 
>Ivan Baird, CET
>MicroRepair Technician      University of New Brunswick
>ijb@Jupiter.Sun.CSD.UNB.ca       ijb@unb.ca
>Cracker catcher!

Yeah, I've seen a few in a hobby store.  I think they were made by Testors.
I'm not sure since I don't build cars.  I am sure that they were American
companies.

Anyways, Pastimes Catalog has a selection of metal cars in various scales.
Call (800)372-5282 for a catalog.  This is their ordering number, but I think
they will send you the catalog anyways.

Oliver
st1ec@rosie.uh.edu
From: obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: IPMS/EAA day at U.S Air Force Museum
Summary: I'd suggest you go if you can
Date: 10 Oct 92 10:09:46 GMT
Distribution: rec.models.scale
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

In article <KARPPINE.92Oct9165154@tnds05.ntc.nokia.com> karppine@ntc.nokia.com writes:
>
>  There is a modelling event 'IPMS/EAA day' at the U.S. Air Force Museum
>  in Dayton (Oct.17). I am planning to visit the museum while on a
>  business trip, but is this event worth scheduling my visit during
>  this event? Is there any netter with experiences of previous events ?
>
>  And BTW, what is EAA ? And, yes I am also a member of IPMS (Finland).

Experimental Aircraft Association - I think it's primarily for homebuilders
and designers of kit & limited production aircraft.

I went to Dayton when they hosted the IPMS/USA nationals, and the arranged
museum tours were *great* IMO.  The IPMS chapter seems to be very strong and
well respected by the museum.

	Bob     (IPMS/USA #4157)
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From: barney@sol.usc.edu (Barney Lum)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale,alt.models
Subject: Re: Swastikas
Date: 16 Oct 1992 16:33:59 -0700
Organization: USC University Computing Services, Los Angeles
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Summary: Direction of "rotation"

apuri@us.oracle.com (Arvind Puri (Dr. Bombay)) writes:

>   I'm kinda curious, how did an ancient Hindu religious symbol for prosperity
>get adopted by the Finnish AF and the WWII Lufwaffe ? 

If the symbol you're typing about is the same as the one I'm thinking about, 
it's "opposite" of a swastika.  That is, the swastika seems to rotate (due 
to the "thrusters") counter-clockwise while the Hindu one goes clockwise?

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From: gse@ida.liu.se (Goran Sedvall)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: HELP! SdKfz 11/SdKfz 251 tracks
Date: 15 Oct 92 08:21:42 GMT
Organization: CIS Dept, Univ of Linkoping, Sweden

bruceb@mpd.tandem.com (Bruce Burden) writes:



>	Silly me, I bought a model of a SdKfz 11 and was surprised/delighted
>     to note that the model was sent with Model Kasten tracks. However, 
>     after looking at the components, I realized that I hadn't the slightest
>     idea how these tracks are assembled. Does some kind soul have an old
>     set of instructions that could be sent to me? (the SdKfz 251 was
>     based on the SdKfz 11 chassis, so the tracks are the same).




>							Thanks,
>								Bruce


If the tracks are cast in resin, which I suspect, I usually heat
the parts in hot water or with a hairdrier and form the tracks
to the requiered shape. Then I glue the parts together and on
the wheels. It is very easy, but don't heat the parts over open
flames.
Goran
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
From: stauffer@src.honeywell.com (Don Stauffer)
Subject: Re: Peanut Scale
To: rec.models.scale
Posted-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 08: 39:53 CDT
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:39:53 GMT
Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 08: 39:36 CDT

   Yes, here's another, though I haven't built one for a couple of years,
while moving to a new house and building shop.  I build all types of flying
scale, as well as shelf scale.
 
   Since no one else has answered the question on what are they, I'll take
a crack.  Peanut scale models are small flying models, usually flown during
indoor meets (although some contests do feature outdoor peanut).  While
there are several rules, the main one is that the wingspan must not exceed
13 inches.  Pistachio are smaller, but I don't remember the exact size,
since I haven't built one yet.  Peanut is hard enough for me.
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
From: whs70@dancer.uucp (22501-sohl)
Subject: Re: Politically Correct Models
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 16:59:40 GMT

In article <13OCT199220375024@rosie.uh.edu> st1ec@rosie.uh.edu (Tse, Oliver) writes:
>Someone mentioned political correctness in models.  Let me ask you folks a
>question.  What do you do with those swastikas and things you find that
>may offend people when placed on models?  I mean if you live in Europe and
>happen to be building a model of the Bismarck and want to make it as accurate
>as possible, do you hedge and not put that huge swastika on the bow?

I have really had it with this "lets be sensitive to every possible
sensitivity anyone might have" crap.  If someone is so screwed up in the
head and is offended by the swastika on a model ship or airplane then
I sure am not going to worry about it.  

Really that's all I'm going to say about it.  With so many millions
of people on this earth, there's prbably a nut case of some type
that would be offended by almost anything.

This isn't meant as a flame to the poster, just my hope that this type
of issue doesn't find a home in this newsgroup.  Build whatever you
like and detail it as accurately as you please and NEVER let someone
else censor your hobby!

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From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Me-110 Model
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 10:38:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.204725.4379@spectrum.xerox.com> msprague@superior.mcwbst311b (Mike Sprague) writes:
>> The Fujimi 1/48th scale Me 110 is a very nice kit ...
>> I used the Superscale Me 110 decal sheet to do mine.
>> Nice decals.
>
>Thanks for that tip.  I also have the Fujimi 1/48th scale model
>of Me 110.  The swasticas in the pictures on the box were marked
>out, which didn't bother me, but they had also destroyed the swastica
>decals, which annoyed me a great deal!!
>

	Where did you buy this?  Had the kit passed through Germany?
	In Germany it is illegal to display Nazi insignia and you will
	find any swastikas on box tops are marked out.  Removing swastikas
	from the decal sheet isn't one I'd heard of.  Maybe your local
	store has a P.C. saboteur.

	Alec Chambers
From: dhaltom@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Douglas Haltom - Max)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Jap. Mech Models
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:16:31 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I am looking for modellers who enjoy doing the Japanese mechs!

I am new to the Philadelphia area and am interesting in joining the

local IPMS (ex. Buena Vista IPMS [s.f. calif.]).

I have a pretty good supply of mechs [10-20 unbuilt]

that I got from the San Antonio Model Shop in Mountain View California.

They are an excellent source.  The store is the largest model show

{sp  'shop'} I have ever seen.  If anyone would like the address let me

know.

Max Haltom
UNIV. OF PENN. WHARTON SCHOOL
BSE MECH. ENG.
BS ECONOMICS - MGMT

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From: pfoss@cmsa.gmr.com (Pete Foss PO/46)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: Politically Correct Models
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:57:07 GMT
Reply-To: pfoss@cmsa.gmr.com
Organization: Skymasters RC of Michigan

At radio control scale compititions in France, you can leave off swastika's, etc. from
a scale model of a German plane and the judges are not allowd to deduct points.
You can leave off anything that would "glorify" Nazi Germany.
From: sham@cs.arizona.edu (Shamim Zvonko Mohamed)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: Politically Correct Models
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:28:52 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Oct15.130756.29222@spectrum.xerox.com> Sprague.Wbst311@Xerox.Com writes:
>	A model is just that.  I am building a minature version of an
>actaul thing that existed!  It is NOT political statement of any kind,
>and it is NOT meant to offend anyone.

I consider myself a pacifist, and I have no illusions that the planes I build
models of caused a lot of misery and suffering. People don't seem to understand
that if I build a model of a particular plane, I am not trying to glorify war,
or the Nazis, or whatever; I like planes, I like building models, I like flying
them, and I like looking at them. I used to try to explain this to people, but
now I've decided that if anyone wants to take offence, that's their problem;
the people whose opinion matters to me already know my views, and I don't have
to justify them to the rest.

(Although I have to admit that during Desert Storm, there seemed to be a lot of
jingoistic fervour around - it was so intense that I had to stop going to the
hobby store, and I removed my models of current Allied planes from my displays.
Nevertheless, make no mistake: I did that for my conscience; I don't want
someone else telling me what I am allowed to display, or how I should feel.)

>	Chuckle, for that matter, the swastika symbol is a lot older
>than the Nazis.  Off the top of my head, I don't remember where it
>origionally came from, but I think it was some sort of religious
>symbol at one time.

Yes, it's long been a holy symbol in Hinduism (you will still find swastikas
inscibed on Hindu temples in India), and actually dates back to before it was
an organised religion - about 2000 AD if I remember correctly.  The swastika
(along with a few others like the ankh) is one of the few really ancient
symbols we have. It's a pity Hitler co-opted it for his regime.

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From: abennett@athena.mit.edu (Andrew A. Bennett)
Subject: Re: F-4 Phantom (British)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:57:51 GMT

In a related vein; once I saw a decal set which said "Colonial Air Force";
the person who showed them to me said they were patterned after a practical
joke committed on a British phantom by an American hangar crew.

Does anyone know where I can get a set of those decals?

Many thanks,

-Drew

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From: carey@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Charlie Carey (carey@moefine.lerc.nasa.gov))
Subject: Re: What's so big about IPMS?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
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Date:  8 Oct 1992 14:07 EDT  

In article <1992Oct7.182244.23920@news.columbia.edu>, dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis) writes...
> 
>   I have only vaguely heard of IPMS. What is it all about? Why join?
>What are the costs and the benifits?
> 
>DanZ
> 

Social = you can meet others with similar modeling interests and see their work 
	steal their techniques, ...
Competative = Most local chapters have contest or shows. See how good you are 
	when compared with othen the subject of your models ( all that good
	research you do before you build it?). Sometimes speakers, historians,
	or veterans are featured in meetings.

All the above are benefits of LOCAL membership.

For national membership, there are national contests/conventions annually
(Atlanta next July) and a magazine with articles on model building, want ads
notices of regional conventions, etc. Much less commercial than Fine Scale
Modeler.

THe membership card will sometimes get you a discount on models and supplies.


Charlie Carey #5282
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