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From: hatori@tansei.cc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Shisei FUJIWARA)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,rec.music.bluenote,rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: Re: "Jazzy" blues??
Date: 22 Dec 92 07:37:43 GMT
Followup-To: alt.guitar
Organization: Computer Centre, University of Tokyo

IMHO the album  to listen to is "Blue Benson".
   George Benson - guitar
   Herbie Hancock - piano
   Ron Carter - bass
   (I forgot who the drummer is, sorry)

   Check it  out!

   Tom Landman
   tom@hatori.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Travel Guitar
Date: 30 Dec 92 23:32:18 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <13@microm.UUCP> kevin@microm.UUCP (Kevin Price) writes:
>My Chiquita was built really well. The tuning keys seem to have been
>slapped on haphazardly, and are at slightly different angles to each other,
>but every other detail is top notch.  It's so perfect that I'm afraid to
>use the guitar for it's intended purpose, motorcycle road trips.  The 
>original plan was to bungee the little beast in it's case on the back of
>my motorcycle, but I'm afraid to hurt it.  It stays at home.
>This beast is pretty expensive. I think mine cost about $350 or so, but
>every since I heard of this guitar I've wanted on, so I went for it.

I bungee my Kramer Pacer strat copy (about a $1K guitar including the EMG
active pickups, original Floyd Rose whammy bar system, and extra on-board
electronics) onto the back of my Harley (in a soft-shell gig-bag case) and
regularly take it the 150 miles between my Dallas apartment and my hometown
of Wichita Falls TX with no ill results. Of course my bike has a tall padded
backrest to help support the neck of the guitar too. I've made dozens of these
trips and usually the guitar is even still in tune after the ride. I figure 
since I have all three of my prized possesions with me (my axe, my scoot, and
myself... not necessarily in that order) if I go down and crash on the highway,
the whole package is doomed anyway so what the hell? With all my gear tied
onto the bike, it sure is an attention getter.                              
Now if I could only find room to bungee my Marshall onto the luggage rack.....
-- 
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Neal Howard   '91 XLH-1200      DoD #686      CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
	      doh #0000001200
         "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
          we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
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From: shinh@nmr-z.mgh.harvard.edu (Shinjiro Hirose)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass,rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Re: Query on practice amps...
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:54:53 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: Mass General Hospital NMR Imaging Center



>I'll go on record as saying that practicing at stage volume is a drag unless
>you have a *large* space.  Otherwise it's just too loud, IMHO.  I'm probably in
>the minority here.  
>
>
>					Brian Rost @tecrus.enet.dec.com

I'm definitely with you on that one.  My hearing has been damaged enough
from gigging and practicing too loud.  I think wearing earplugs is
a good idea, but I don't like the muffled, no-high-end feeling I 
get when I use them.

But, back to the practice amp thing.  For practice alone, I think 
almost anything will do, unless you're trying to work out a specific
sound for a live performance.  I've used stereos, boom boxes, amps
specifically marketed as "practice amps," etc... As long as you can hear
yourself, you're all set.  At the moment, I use a headphone amp with 
a stereo input so I can practice with tapes/drum machine, etc.

Why would there be a "minimum wattage" for a practice amp?
(within reason, of course)

-Shin
.
-- 

Shin Hirose						1980 CB750-F
shinh@nmr-r.mgh.harvard.edu                         	1970 Porsche 914
DoD # 0670 						"the serpent was subtil"
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass,rec.music.makers.bass
From: richardr@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (SnowDog)
Subject: Re: Query on practice amps...
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:10:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.195734.14830@ryn.mro4.dec.com> rost@tecrus.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost) writes:
>
>I'll go on record as saying that practicing at stage volume is a drag unless
>you have a *large* space.  Otherwise it's just too loud, IMHO.  I'm probably in
>the minority here.  
>
>
>					Brian Rost @tecrus.enet.dec.com

Actually, practicing at stage volume can be a blast if you wear earplugs.
You have to get good earplugs or else everything will sound muffled, but
a good set will keep everything sounding clean and just reduce the volume.
The best part is that you can still feel the bass pounding away ay your gut!
...the neighbors like it too. :)

---
Roman R. Richardson   |Ibanex-RB800 Deluxe, Roland BN-60, R.Cocco Strings
St. Olaf College      |Disciple of the All-Mighty Geddy!!!
Northfield, MN 55057  |Judoka from Hell...still seeks revenge on Rene Capo
(507) 646-2639        |Claim to Fame: Had lunch with Clive Barker at McDons
From: georges.milette@synapse.org (Georges Milette) 
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: STUFF FOR SALE
Date: 2 Jan 93 20:01:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SYNAPSE BBS - GATINEAU, QUEBEC - 819-561-4321
Reply-To: georges.milette@synapse.org (Georges Milette) 

Hi to all.
        I'm posting this for one of my friends who is BROKE!!
These items could be interesting to musicians.. He has for sale:

        *1 old but still playing Fender Rhodes Electric Piano*

        *1 Roland JX8P electronic Synthesizer.. with midi Capability*


                                /*************
                                *            *
        1 KEVLAR                * Stick Bass *
                                *            *
                                *************/
                Like the one used by Tony Levin
                This one's in perfect condition, comes with case
                and two sets of new strings (these babies have 10
strings).

                ANY REASONABLE OFFERS ACCEPTED. Post to me or call

        819-663-0506---> me, in the mornings. ask for Georges
        819-243-6638---> Him, sometimes in the morning or
afternoon-->Bertrand
From: rick.franks@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Rick Franks) 
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: NEW MEMBER
Date: 24 Dec 92 13:13:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, (313)663-4173, Ann Arbor, MI, USA
Reply-To: rick.franks@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Rick Franks) 

The folks down here in Myrtle Beach SC, would like to say hello
to you up in W-NET. And would like to inform you'all we are now
cross-linking this confernece with our own BUM_NET network.
Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year...
---
 . Cam-Mail . The Chess Board BBS. Yes the Sysops Plays Guitar TOO!!
                                                                            
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass,rec.music.makers.bass
From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: fretless tips...
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 04:09:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.075822.28361@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>  
Joseph.V.Kelly.Jr@dartmouth.edu (Joseph V. Kelly Jr) writes:

> I bought a Guild Pilot Fretless a year ago, and here are some random
> hints I have come up with after a year of massive fretless playing:

That's my baby too!

> Use flat wound strings instead of regular wound strings... this
> prevents etching of the fingerboard which results in irregular play. If
> you want a little slap or a crisp sounding pop buy a set of light gauge
> round wounds.

Try Ground Wounds - they have almost all the high end of
rounds, but hack the fingerboard much less and feel
smoother on the fingertips. I like Dean Markley Medium
Lites. 

> If anyone else has any fretless tips/comments/tricks etc please
> comment.

Try using a tube preamp: it really adds "character" to the
sound of my otherwise rather sterile-sounding Guild.

Try playing the strings with your fingers located at the
end of the neck just above the "P-bass" pickup.  This
really makes the notes "cry".

I notice the action has significant effect on the
"fretless" sound. Certain string heights interfere with
getting that "crying" sound... 

One final comment: move on over from this alt group to the
official rec.music.makers.bass group!

--
Nathan Janette
PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu

Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 13:39:10 EST
From: Peter Parisi <PXP8@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Flea's tone-Sir Psycho Sexy

A while back someone asked how Flea got his sound on "Sir Psycho Sexy."

Here's what he said in Bass Player (Feb.  92): "I used an old Mu-Tron....
Its power was running out when we were recording, and I laid down a track
while someone was outgetting a new battery.  But we couldn't get the Mu-Tron
to sound as cool with a fresh battery, so we ended up keeping the track" (p.
42).
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: jes@unislc.uucp (Jon Seaman)
Subject: Re: PEAVEY!
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:27:14 GMT


Judas, a Peavey Minx is a good little practice amp.
Cheap, reliable, and easily portable.

As far as using Peavey for gigs, NOT!!!

You should be able to get a MINX for about 200 bucks.

Peace,

or

Piece

if you prefer.

Jonny Utah
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: noah@Cadence.COM (Noah Ruiz)
Subject: *****FOR SALE***** 85 Fender Jazz Special Bass *****FOR SALE*****
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:28:20 GMT




	    **********FOR SALE********** 

	    85 Fender Jazz Special
	    All black
	    Original pj style pickups
	    Original neck
	    3 way switch for neck/bridge or both, pickup settings
            2 volume controls and 1 tone control
	    Comes with strap and Fender case
	    Good condition
	    Asking $350 firm

	    Reason for selling...
		 bought a new bass and never play the Fender
		 anymore.

            Call (408) 723-8225 leave NAME & NUMBER on machine...
	    Prefer Bay Area only...

	    =Noah=


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From: sotoc@cdl02.me.msu.edu (Ciro Soto)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: FOR SALE: TR-626 RHYTHM COMPOSER
Date: 27 Dec 92 18:53:43 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: cdl02.me.msu.edu



WHAT:   RHYTHM COMPOSER  (MIDI)
MAKER:  ROLAND
MODEL:  TR-626


CHARACTERISTIC:
48 PRESET RHYTHIM PATTERNS
48 USERS PROGRAMMABLE RHYTHIM PATTERNS
40 TO 240 BEATS PER MINUTE
6 TRACKS
1 TO 16 STEPS
ACCENT (-3 to +3)
PITCH  (-7 to +7)
LEVEL (0 to +5)
DRUM VOICES: 	bass drum 1,2;snare drum 1,2,3; low,high timbale;
		low,mid,high tom 1,2; open high conga, low conga;
		open,closed hi-hat;crash,ride,china cymbal;
		cup; rim shot; hand clap; claves; mute hi conga;
		shaker; cowbell; tambourine; low,high agogo;
REAR PANEL:	Mono/Stereo out jack (R) & (L)
		Headphone jack
		Multi out jacks
		Start/Stop Jack
		Trigger Out Jack
		tape in/out jack
		Tape sync in jack
		Tape sync out jack
		MIDI IN connector
		MIDI OUT connector
		Memory Card Slot
		AC Adaptor Jack (9V)
DIMENSIONS:	400x194x55 mm
WEIGHT:		2 lb and 14 oz
ACCESORIES:	MEMORY CARD M-128D !!
		MANUALS
(NO AC ADAPTOR)

CONDITIONS:   	AS NEW



MAKE OFFER DIRECTLY TO   sotoc@egr.msu.edu
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From: rost@tecrus.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass,rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Re: Query on practice amps...
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:48:45 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


>From: whale@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stephen Schmidt)
> 
>  I have a Crate B-20, and it's not quite the minimum I could deal with but
>it's pretty close. I suspect 10 would be too few, probably the minimum is
>around 15 for my tastes. I don't think I've ever seen a bass amp with
>fewer than 20 watts made, which should suggest something...?
>  Of course, things like speaker efficiency make a difference in this debate
>also, but there's not much point in making a 10-watt amp and then putting
>a super-efficient $500 speaker in it, is there?  ;)

There *are* amps under 20 watts for bass.  The old Fender Musicmaster amps were
12 watts (but tubes) and I have a 10 watt Crate myself.  In fact, in the old
days (the 60s...ha ha) when the 50 watt Bassman was a stage amp of choice and
the Ampeg B15 at 30 watts was a popular gigging amp, 20 watts would have been
considered pretty powerful!  Fender even made a 20 watt Bassman combo (1-15")
in the early eighties, all tube.  It wasn't until 1968 or so that bass rigs
over 100 watts started showing up.

>From: michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson)
> 
>I used to have a Peavey 130 of some kind, and I think that was the minimum,  
>simply because drums are LOUD and you need to hear yourself over them.  I was  
>engaging the automatic limiter on that sucker a lot.  If the drummer plays  
>quiet for practice, then you won't actually know what you sound like until  
>you do a gig, which leads to un-amusing surprises.  Not to mention, you'll  
>eventually do a small gig like a college party (especially if you're in  
>college) and you won't have a PA--your "practice" amp will have to be loud  
>enough to play a small room alone.

I have used a small tube amp (20 watt) for small gigs and it worked fine
although not much headroom! It's plenty loud enough to be heard over a
restrained drummer, good amp for house parties where you usually can't really
crank anyway.

I'll go on record as saying that practicing at stage volume is a drag unless
you have a *large* space.  Otherwise it's just too loud, IMHO.  I'm probably in
the minority here.  


					Brian Rost @tecrus.enet.dec.com

					508-568-6115

	****************************************************
	*						   *
	*  The above does not reflect the opinions of	   *
	*  my employer.					   *
	*						   *
	*  If music is outlawed, only outlaws will be      *	   
	*  musicians.					   *
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Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass,rec.music.makers.bass
From: fdeck@vyasa.helios.nd.edu (francis deck)
Subject: Re: Volume (was Re: Query on practice amps...)
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:14:16 GMT

Yeah... high SPL's are one of the reasons I got out of rock and
into jazz and classical music, though those can be quite loud
too.  Hearing damage from high sound levels is a cumulative
and irreversible effect, and ultimately it will ruin your
musicianship (you can't hear what you really sound like) and
also your enjoyment of music.  I decided that losing the
ability to enjoy music would be a fate worse than death, so
I am willing to back off on the dB's as an investment in my
ears.

I think a lot of rock bands manage their rehearsal time very
poorly... they're just jam sessions, and are used to force
the individual musicians to learn their part.  I think you
should only crank up to concert volume as a "dress rehearsal"
after you've worked out all of the technicalities of a song.
Furthermore, "woodshedding" on scales should be done alone
at very low volume with absolutely no effects boxes so you
get audible feedback on your technique.  The effects can
hide defects in your technique, and you'll advance much more
quickly if you get over those problems.

f.deck
From: darkshot@rock.concert.net (Michael B Garrett -- Chudys)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Re: Flea's tone-Sir Psycho Sexy
Date: 30 Dec 92 04:49:29 GMT
Organization: CONCERT-CONNECT -- Public Access UNIX


A Mu Tron is a 70's era effect pedal, in fact a pretty good one. (Actually
Mu Tron made a lot of stuff, but bass players used the "envelope follower"
the most, with a pedal phase shifter running a distant second in popularity).

Envelope followers are pretty neat bass effects, if not used often. The one
I had (in the 70's) was an Electro-Harmonix "Zipper", modified with a tuned-
tank circuit so's it would handle bass freqs better. Later, Electro-Harmonix
came out with one especially for bass, called (natch) "Bassballs".

It sounded pretty keen, but only in small doses (like any special effect).

For those that may not know, an envelope follower is (and you are warned that
this is an oversimplification) effectively a dynamically-controlled filter,
sounding something like a distorted wah-wah in its effect. I.E., the harder
you hit the string, the wider it wahs. Very expressive, if used correctly,
which they almost never were, hence the fact that most folks don't know what thehell it is B-)....

'Shot
From: tsheiskanen@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Midibass???????
Date: 30 Dec 92 15:00:38 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

Does anybody know about midi-basses. Im too bad a guitarist to buy a
midi-guitar. Besides, I think you could use the different techniques playing
bass as new approaches to midistuff...

TSHEISKANEN@hylka.helsinki.fi
From: hannahc@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: BASS TAB (GNR) For Sale
Date: 4 Jan 1993 00:44:51 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Reply-To: hannahc@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.rose-hulman.edu

I have the Bass Tab for Use Your Illusion I & II for sale.
I will sell them for $35.00 + postage and handling for both.
or $20.00 separately, or the best offer I receive.
Send replies to   

hannahc@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu

List Price $24.95 each.
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From: rost@tecrus.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass,rec.music.makers.bass
Subject: Volume (was Re: Query on practice amps...)
Date: 23 Dec 92 00:33:20 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Dec22.181053.12038@news.stolaf.edu>, richardr@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (SnowDog) writes...
>Actually, practicing at stage volume can be a blast if you wear earplugs.
>You have to get good earplugs or else everything will sound muffled, but
>a good set will keep everything sounding clean and just reduce the volume.

Right, but then you need this huge PA just to hear your singer.  Think about
the logic of having to wear earplugs because the volume is hazardous to your
hearing...bad enough that live volume levels have to be so high.  Yeah, I like
it loud but not REAL F**KING LOUD.


					Brian Rost @tecrus.enet.dec.com

					508-568-6115

	****************************************************
	*						   *
	*  The above does not reflect the opinions of	   *
	*  my employer.					   *
	*						   *
	*  If music is outlawed, only outlaws will be      *	   
	*  musicians.					   *
	*						   *
	****************************************************
From: Joseph.V.Kelly.Jr@dartmouth.edu (Joseph V. Kelly Jr)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Re: Flea's tone-Sir Psycho Sexy
Date: 30 Dec 92 04:17:20 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0b1@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <92364.133910PXP8@psuvm.psu.edu>
PXP8@psuvm.psu.edu (Peter Parisi) writes:

> A while back someone asked how Flea got his sound on "Sir Psycho Sexy."
> 
> Here's what he said in Bass Player (Feb.  92): "I used an old Mu-Tron....
> Its power was running out when we were recording, and I laid down a track
> while someone was outgetting a new battery.  But we couldn't get the Mu-Tron
> to sound as cool with a fresh battery, so we ended up keeping the track" (p.
> 42).

What the hell is a Mu-Tron?

I saw the bassist for Rollins Band use some kind of pedal to get a
similar
sound... the amount of wah filtering increased the louder he played the
notes.

I've also seen bass Crybaby Wahs advertised in various magazines.

--joseph "demolition@dartmouth.edu" kelly
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: bryce@sdf.lonestar.org (Bryce Hamm)
Subject: Beginner Question
Organization: Best lil' ol' Pubnix in Texas
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 21:11:26 GMT

I recently (just this week) purchased my first bass guitar
i really didnt know what i was doing, just wondered if this
was a good choice and if i was taken..

I had two choices.

1 4 string Ibeniz(sp) for 255$ off of the original of 539$
1 4 string Fender for 265$ off of the original of 589$
i got the fender.
is that a good choice for a beginner
and does anyone reccomend any good books on learning
the bass, i wanna learn how to read both the music and tabature

thanx
bryce@sdf.lonestar.org

Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass,rec.music.makers.bass
From: barsz@bnr.ca (Peter Barszczewski)
Subject: Re: Volume (was Re: Query on practice amps...)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: 23 Dec 92 10:54:26

In article <BzpwMs.HEn@apollo.hp.com> deal_j@apollo.HP.COM (John Deal) writes:

> I am with you Brian on this one.  I have fought so many volume battles that I
> feel like a French soldier at Verdon in 1916.  In one of the bands I am 
> currently in I finally got "The Marshall Man" to turn down and the drummer
> not to mike his drums only now the lead vocialist who pumped his volume up
> to get over the above, will not come down.  Now we have massive feedback
> problems (now muliple singers with mikes everywhere).  We are considering
> packing away our main PA and bring out the old Kustom.  We have already 
> unplugged one of the 2 mains.  During this high volume time, IMHO our music
> has suffered because one guitarist can not maintain his sweet Fender tone and
> I can not maintain my non-compressed bass tone at this level and everybodys
> nerves are on edge from the constant feedback.

> Also, our rehearsal volume has been much louder than our STAGE volume since we
> are playing in a much larger room with more people (hopefully !!) and the amps
> /PA are not pointing at each other like in the rehearsal space.  And with our
> current ratio of about 10 hours of rehearsal for every hour playing out, the
> rehearsal volume is a much bigger factor in hearing damage than playing out.

At least I'm not the only one.  I also suffer from two guitarists who
cannot and will not play at more reasonable volumes.  I can understand if
you have a 100 watt marshall lead with no master volume, but if you are
using primarily transistor amps/pedals then what's the point ?  As for
bass, I find that if you diddle with the EQ you often don't have to
increase your volume.  However, with the massive feedback you are talking
about I doubt this would help.  One trick I've used is to tape a rehearsal
"live" (2 mikes) and play it back.  Notice how all you can hear is
Marshall-man ... notice how you can't hear the kick.  Then play a song the
band loves ... notice how you can hear everything ... notice how you can
hear the kick.  Notice how sometimes the guitars are *subtle*.?

Note also to solve your feedback problems you should EQ each out.  You
probably don't want to tell anyone else in the band this!  Let the feedback
make them turn it down.

Regards,
--
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