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From: jbeekman@prodigy.bc.ca (Joerg Beekmann)
Newsgroups: trial.test
Subject: Re: Ignore: Re: I AM _STAN_, HEAR ME _ROAR!_
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:25:33 GMT
Organization: Prodigy Technologies Corp.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0

This is more of a test of sending
Newsgroups: trial.test
From: s92068to@sfc.keio.ac.jp (Tetsuya Ohnishi)
Subject: test
Organization: Keio University Shonan Fujisawa Campus, Fujisawa Japan
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 11:09:07 GMT

test

tetsu

This Is The Second Sending To This Newsgroup!!
Newsgroups: oh.general
From: tmcdonal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Terry McDonald)
Subject: Help needed with terminal - Viewpoint/60
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 04:57:31 GMT

Searching for "switch" info on the Viewpoint/60.
If anyone has manuals or switch mapping, would 
you please e-mail me?

Thanks for your assistance.

tmcdonal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu


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From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
Newsgroups: oh.general
Subject: Cartoons for sale
Date: 24 Dec 1992 11:15:38 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: tsunami.berkeley.edu

Hi!  I hope this is the right oh. newsgroup to post for-sale ads.  Anyway,
Now that I have trimmed down my cartoon collection to only the very best
and out-of-print, I would like to share them with manga fans of the world.
By sending me ONE DOLLAR, you get a 10-page sample (with English subtitles!)
of cartoons by Maruo Suehiro, a man of profound artistic inspirations.
If watching movies like Akira gave you an amphetamine-high, why, these
will instantly rocket you into crack heaven.  You won't be disappointed.
If you are interested, send cash or money order with a self-addressed,
stamped envelope to:

Henry Robertson
2206 Durant Ave. #5
Berkeley, CA 94704

One dollar is not a very big risk to take, folks.  If you would like a 
complete catalog to get an idea of the selection, feel free to e-mail me.
I'll be here over winter break.

I look forward to hearing from you....
From: jfraser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jane Fraser)
Subject: Infoport - call for input
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: oh
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:16:34 GMT

In August 1992, Columbus accepted the invitation of the United Nations
to establish a Trade Point Center (or ``infoport") as part of a global
UN project called the Trade Efficiency Initiative.  Columbus will be
one of 16 sites around the world and the only site in North America.
Each Center will feature the use of video teleconferencing,
interactive information networks (offering bulletin boards, market
data, and trade information) and the use of electronic data
interchange (EDI), and related technologies.  The goals are to make
available and showcase paperless trading and to overcome many of the
traditional obstacles created by geographic, language, regulatory, and
commercial barriers. 

In the next item, I'll post a summary of information on on the
Columbus Trade Point Center. In this item, I'm asking for your help. 

Columbus Mayor Lashutka appointed a task force to prepare a
preliminary design.  Our plan so far is that the initial stages of
infoport will include (1) on-line access to trade information, (2) a
commercial and cargo transaction system, and (3) education, training,
and facilitation.  In later stages we might want to include other
services such as: a working group to share information on
international standards, telework centers to support telecommuting,
multimedia applications, and satellite connections. 

I am a member of the task force and I've been asked to solicit input
on (1) ideas on specific services that could be part of infoport and
(2) resources to support infoport services. 

If you want to help with ideas or resources, please respond by sending
me one page describing (1) your idea for a service that infoport might
provide, and/or (2) resources you can offer to make infoport happen.
You may send brochures, etc., on your organization, but the one page
will probably get more attention. 

You can respond to this request (1) by sending me a printed one page,
(2) by sending electronic mail via CompuServe to 75300,2251, (3) by
sending electronic mail via Internet to fraser-j@eng.ohio-state.edu,
or (4) by using your personal computer and modem to call the local
bulletin board Strictly Business!  (614-583-9250, 8/N/1); upload your
response (in the new uploads file section) or leave a message (in the
Infoport message section) addressed to Jane Fraser. 

We anticipate receiving many exciting ideas for infoport; therefore,
we may not be able to include your idea in initial infoport stages,
but we also plan to establish working groups that could proceed to
design later stages of infoport. Thanks for you help. 

Please distribute this message to others who might be interested. 

Jane Fraser, Co-Director, Center for Advanced Study in
Telecommunications, The Ohio State University, 210 Baker Systems, 1971
Neil Avenue, Columubs, OH 43210.  614-459-7209 (voice), 614-292-7852
(fax), fraser-j@eng.ohio-state.edu. 
Newsgroups: oh.cast
From: chollifi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (C Ann Hollifield)
Subject: CAST Roundtable
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: oh
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:33:33 GMT


CAST ROUNDTABLE

Jan. 6  --"The Uses and Gratifications of Personal Telephone Networks"

            John Dimmick, Professor, Department of Communication

Professor Dimmick will present the results of his research on telephone usage
and personal telephone networks. In two recent studies conducted in Ohio, Dr.
Dimmick uncovered three factors in telephone gratifications: instrumentality,
sociability and reassurance. He will discuss those findings as well as his
development of a typology of personal telephone networks.

The Roundtable will be held from 4:30-6:00 p.m. at the Ohio Legal Center, Room 
115, 33 W. 11th Ave.

Parking is available in the parking garage just north of the Ohio Union on N. 
High St. From the garage, walk south on High Street past the Union and the Law 
School, and turn right (west) onto 11th. The Ohio Legal Center will be on your 
left. No reservations are necessary. Roundtables are free and open to the 
public.

For more information, call Sue Brown at 292-8444 or Ann Hollifield at 292-0080.
Newsgroups: oh.cast
From: lyndon@unbc.edu (Lyndon Nerenberg)
Newsgroups: can.uucp
Subject: Re: can.domain
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:15:36 GMT
Distribution: can
Organization: University of Northern B.C.

> My personal hope is that the domain space committee can be managed
> in the same way as IETF Working Groups. Participation open to anyone
> who is interested. (Perhaps limited to residents of Canada.) Decisions 
> by consensus. There is no voting process. It is up to the chairman and
> participants to arrive at a solution that satifies all parties. This 
> model seems to have produced many workable standards for the IETF.
> I don't see why it couldn't work here.

I like this in principal, however there will have to be some mechanism
in place to make a final yay/nay decision.

What I would like to see is an elected group of people who make the final
call on an application. The decision would consider input from can.domain
discussions, the mailing lists, and whatever other information sources
are considered appropriate.

The first group (of five?) could be elected at the Net/93 conference
this coming summer. (Where is it, BTW?) That gives us five months or
so to work out the election details, etc.

> Well we could send email directly to the domain discussion mailing list.
> But my understanding is that membership is limited to "by invitation" so
> you might not see any resulting dialog. Having can.domain at least gives
> us a public forum.

Even more reason to come up with an elected group.

--lyndon
Newsgroups: can.uucp
From: eah@xenitec.on.ca (Ed Hew)
Subject: can.domain
Organization: XeniTec Consulting, Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA
Distribution: can
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 07:21:48 GMT

In article <BzHEDy.Ep1@wimsey.bc.ca> sl@wimsey.bc.ca (Stuart Lynne) writes:
>
>Assuming a reasonable consensus, I will ask Ed Hew (in his capacity as
>Canadian UUCP Map Coordinator and as the UUCP liason to .CA Registry)
>to issue a newgroup control message to create can.domain in about one
>week's time, in keeping with accepted practice within the "can" hierarchy.

I've had a number of people convince me that can.domain can serve
a useful purpose in bringing current .CA domain committee policies
to the eyes of the readership, and to afford that readership with
an easy mechanism for making their opinions directly available to
all within the committee who care to look.  If my recent email is
any indication, we can look forward to some lively and very important
discussions.  Input from the grass roots, including the UUCP part of
Canadian networking, can and should be quite useful in forming future
directions for the utilization of the .CA namespace.

I can add a couple of interesting recent developments.

I've been asked by the head of the .CA domain committee to establish
and operate a bi-directionally gated mailing list for the benefit of
those without access to USENET News in some form.  I'll build it once
can.domain actually exists and post the details therein.

Stuart's proposal stated:

: It is hoped that new .CA subdomain registrations will be posted
: as they are approved.

I'm pleased to confirm that these will indeed be available and
posted on approval.

                --ed            (Ed Hew)
--
        Canadian UUCP Map Coordinator           <path@cs.toronto.edu>
   ==>  UUCP liason to .CA Domain Registry	<registry@cs.toronto.edu>
        XeniTec Consulting Services             <edhew@xenitec.on.ca>
From: lyndon@unbc.edu (Lyndon Nerenberg)
Newsgroups: can.uucp
Subject: Re: can.domain
Date: 22 Dec 92 17:32:13 GMT
Distribution: can
Organization: University of Northern B.C.

eah@xenitec.on.ca (Ed Hew) writes:

> all within the committee who care to look.

And that seems to be the crux of the problem, does it not?

Perhaps the first posting to can.domain should be the current membership
list of the .CA Namespace Cabal. That would make it a bit more difficult
for them to hide like they have been doing for the last five years.

Posting new domain registrations to can.domain is a nice publicity
stunt, but does *nothing* to address the problems we've had with the
Invisible Namespace Committee. I very much support the mailing list
gateway, but if we cannot the people making the decisions to PARTICIPATE
in useful discussions, then this whole exercise is a waste of bandwidth.

I will support the creation of can.domain if and *only* if they agree
(in this forum) to maintain an ongoing dialog with their "customer base"
via the can.domain group and any and all other electronic means.

Marry Christmas

Lyndon Nerenberg
Sr. Operating Systems Programmer
University of Northern B.C.
Newsgroups: can.uucp
From: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck)
Subject: Re: Eating killed animals (was Re: Gun Control Petition)
Reply-To: Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:29:29 GMT

g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu (Rosemary Waigh) writes:

>In article <viking.724916100@vincent2.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:

>>	At the back end, you first take your scalpel or X-acto knife
>>(replacing blades is easier than honing a scalpel multiple times).  Cut
>>the bottom of the sack off.  That should be done in one stroke.  The
>>testicles fall out of their own accord, dangling from their tendons.
>>Grab the whole mess, wrap it in a simple half-hitch knot, pull it snug,
>>and cut below the knot.  Shake some sulfa powder into the now-empty sack
>>and you're done with that end.  A good individual can have this done in
>>about ten seconds.  Inject any anti-biotics that may be necessary for
>>that particular herd to prevent catching the pnuemonia your neighbor's
>>herd has, for example, and let him loose.  Total time?  Thirty seconds
>>if you're slow about it and take his temperature too.

>Again, is any anesthetic used?  Is the procedure done by people with
>veterinary training?

>A while back I posted excerpts of an article from _Cattleman_ magazine,
>a Canadian beef industry journal, in talk.politics.animals.  The article
>indicated that both the surgical and elastrator methods of castration caused
>some pain.  
      ^^^^^

>To me what you have described is abusive, and is comparable to what is
>documented in _Diet_for_a_new_America_.

Are you *really* implying that any medical procedure that has an
element of pain is *abusive*??????

Does that mean dentists are *abusive* ?

How about nurses when they poke your arm several times trying to find
a vein when they need blood?

How about any surgical or medical procedure on animals or humans that
causes pain? I could list hundreds.

According to you and your *book* -- *pain* of any kind is now
considered abusive. 

Loony tunes!
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics
From: derry@beaufort.sfu.ca (Andrew Derry)
Subject: Re: UI Benfits Cut
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:55:07 GMT

dmccrea6@mach1.wlu.ca (doug mccready F) writes:

>Art Ollin has fallen into the trap of not believing in what the UIC was for
>in the first place - it was to help those who were having to support a
>family during a crisis. Most collectors of UIC now are not in that
>situation. How do you solve that? The present step is a positive one even if

I'll be the first to admit that I don't know a whole lot about the
hows and whys of things like UIC, but it seems to me that if UIC was
meant for those who were having to support a family during a crisis,
then shouldn't one of the criterion for eligibility for UIC be that
you are supporting a family?

Wouldn't the easiest way to solve it be to add that criterion?

>it might hurt some people because the thinking which is rampant in this
>country MUST be changed - we must accept personal responsibility to save for
>our own misfortune and STOP looking to government to solve ALL SORTS of
>problems for us. I would gladly help those who are legitimately in need

Are you advocating the stopping of the UIC program in general, then?

As long as we are forced to pay into UIC while we work, it doesn't
seem unreasonable to expect something in return.  (ie: the assurance
that I will still get money, even if I lose my job - no matter how I
lose it, as the name suggests)

>I may not be for the present PM but I think that FTA and GST have been
>inspired policy (which the PM messed up by not following advice, ie. not
>taxing everything at a lower rate, including food, etc. and not putting into
>place proper retraining programs). As an economist I would advocate those
>policies again and again - just not the way they were implemented here.

Not being an economist, I can't say much, but it seems to me that
higher taxes for higher income individuals (and companies) would be
better that the GST which causes everybody to pay equally when clearly
they cannot equally afford to pay.

--
Andrew Derry - derry@sfu.ca


Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics
From: dmccrea6@mach1.wlu.ca (doug mccready F)
Subject: Re: UI Benfits Cut
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 12:03:35 GMT

In article <5DEC199220423169@reg.triumf.ca> olin@reg.triumf.ca (ART OLIN, TRIUMF INET 128.189.128.2) writes:
>>Jim Robinson  robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com writes:
>
>> 
>>It should be noted that people who quit their jobs for a "just cause" will
>>still be able to collect UI benefits.
>> 
>I think you've bought in to Mulroney's scapegoating again, Jim. 
>Most likely at the present unemployment level anyone who quits
>will have their job filled by someone on UI. If all these voluntary
>quitters (UI stats put this at 6%) just keep their jobs instead, it
>won't significantly change UI  payments. In fact it may marginally
>raise them since the present rules say they can't collect for

>In terms social policy, with a shortage of jobs a little work sharing
>
>The real Conservative agenda here is to increase the power of your
>boss by taking away the  support. If they cut your wages by 40%
>you can no longer say that you can get the same on UI. And there
>are plenty of good reasons to quit that don't fall within the
>government's guidelines.
>

Art Ollin has fallen into the trap of not believing in what the UIC was for
in the first place - it was to help those who were having to support a
family during a crisis. Most collectors of UIC now are not in that
situation. How do you solve that? The present step is a positive one even if
it might hurt some people because the thinking which is rampant in this
country MUST be changed - we must accept personal responsibility to save for
our own misfortune and STOP looking to government to solve ALL SORTS of
problems for us. I would gladly help those who are legitimately in need
through my church - indeed, I watched one family suffer multiple
unemployment (three laid off at once) with only the youngest daughter still
holding a job - I have helped there and I can say that family never depended
on UIC because they went out and made their own jobs while they were looking
for employment (painting friends houses, going out and asking farmers if
they could help, etc.) The Church also helped them so they did not need BIG
DADDY GOVERNMENT to make them dependent for life which is what UIC
encourages.

I may not be for the present PM but I think that FTA and GST have been
inspired policy (which the PM messed up by not following advice, ie. not
taxing everything at a lower rate, including food, etc. and not putting into
place proper retraining programs). As an economist I would advocate those
policies again and again - just not the way they were implemented here.

Newsgroups: can.general,talk.politics.animals
From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Subject: Re: Better to be slaughtered than never to have lived? Re: Meat eaters (LONG)
Keywords: Meat Vegans vegetarian food
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:08:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.172603.20369@cdf.toronto.edu> g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu (Rosemary Waigh) writes:
>In article <schuck.724481107@sfu.ca> Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes:
>
>"poultry, pigs or calves never see the light of day until they are taken to 
>the slaughterhouse... For three months at a stretch, pregnant sows are confined
>to stalls scarcely larger than their bodies.  To reduce stress and activity, 
>totally confined animals are kept in darkness except at feeding time...
>"The new ways are solidly established.  About 95 per cent of egg laying hens,
>virtually all ... turkeys and half or more of beef cattle, dairy cows and pigs
>are maintained in some type of factory system."  (James B. Mason, "Industrial
>Pigs, Mechanical Chickens:  How Corporate Animal Factories Breed Poisoned Meat
>and New Pollution", _Vegetarian_Times_, March 1980, cited in Victoria Moran,
>_Compassion:_The_Ultimate_Ethic_).
>

Granted it's been a few years, but I've lived near/worked on farms most of
my life. I have never witnessed the conditions described here. Dairy cattle
I've seen live in pastures and come to the barn (of their own volition) for
milking. Beef cattle roam ranges until they're rounded up for slaughter. 
Every hog farm I've seen had outdoor pens with sheds for them to get out of
the weather.

>
>Better to have never lived than to live the kind of life led by livestock on
>farms and then killed.

Still another reason to prefer wild game to domestic meat.

Jeff Achenbach
Xref: sparky can.general:6133 can.politics:11012 talk.politics.animals:10522
From: amdunn@mongrel.UUCP (Andrew M. Dunn)
Subject: Re: UI Benfits Cut
Organization: A. Dunn Systems Corporation, Kitchener, Ontario, Canada
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 14:33:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.235045.5253@sol.UVic.CA> dmanke@sanjuan (Dennis Manke) writes:
>
>Why should taxes rise? Currently there is a whole lot of people
>(self employed) who get away without paying for UIC which as you
>have recognized is a welfare system and not an insurance.
>
>If UIC where really UIC and the welfare aspect was
>funded through general revenue, then you would pay a ***LOT***
>less in premiums and probably less in taxes (if you believe there
>won't be a tax grab) since it would get rid of the loop hole that
>self employed people have (they would pay their fare share for the
>welfare part + if they elected, they would pay for UIC in some
>appropriate insurance bracket that covers in total their risk).


Why would it reduce the cost?  If it were really UIC, as you suggest,
and self-employed people paid UI premiums, they'd be entitled to
claim benefits if they became unemployed.  Which probably happens more
often to self-employed people than to others.



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Xref: sparky can.general:6165 can.politics:11044 soc.culture.canada:9626
From: grayt@Software.Mitel.COM (Tom Gray)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: No More Sheltered Work Shops
Date: 23 Dec 92 14:54:26 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.


The Ontario (NDP) government has announced that it intends to close
all sheltered work shops for the developmentally handicapped (the latest
euphemism for the group which was previously called the mentally
retarded). The government intend to close the work shops in favour
of "community" solutions.

So far the government's actions have been to delete five million from the
budget for work shops and provide two million for "community" services.
The government does not have or intends to provide a defintition of
a "community" service. Instead it expects the "community" to come up with
services which it will fund.

Rumour has it that the NDP government intends to implement the same policy
with the psychiatrically impaired although no such policy has been announced.

Essentially, the policy is to remove the government from services to these
groups and the institution of a new policy of politically correct rhetoric.




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