From: kevin@liebe.uucp (Kevin Brawley)
Subject: Re: THE IMPLICATIONS OF ABORTION ON OUR SOCIETY
Organization: Liebe Company
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:00:14 GMT

roby@brahms.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:

>>The warning is mine to dish out.  Pro-Death is my response to being
>>repeatedly referred to as "Anti-Abortion".  If you decide that
>>
>>Kevin Brawley

>What's wrong with the label "anti-abortion"?  I would think 
>that if you are against abortion, then this would be a 
>non-detrimental label for you.

I am not "Anti-Abortion".  I am for abortion if the mother's life is
at stake.

>The "pro-life" label seems awful vague to me.  

Simply because you close your mind to the fact that we are dealing
with abortion.

>Does this mean you are against wars because lives are lost?

I thought you knew the issue was abortion.

>Does this mean you are against capital punishment because a life is taken? 

I thought you knew the issue was abortion.

>Does this mean you are against euthanasia?

I thought you knew the issue was abortion.

>Or does it simply mean that you think life is grand?

I thought you knew the issue was abortion.

>In the same way, the "pro-death" label is too vague.

I thought you knew the issue was abortion.

>Now let's get back to the issue of how to handle preganncy.  
>The "pro-life" camp is for:
>birth choice
>adoption choice
>The "pro-life" camp is against:
>abortion choice

>So if you want a label that specifies exactly what one stands 
>for then, you would have either "pro-birth-and -adoption-only" 
>or "anti-abortion".  The latter is easier to say, and should 
>have no more negative connotations than the label "anti-stealing".

>The "pro-abortion" camp is for:
>birth choice
>adoptioon choice
>abortion choice
>and against nothing.

>So if you want a label that specifies exactly what one stands 
>for then, you would have either "pro-birth-adoption-and-abortion" 
>or "pro-all-choices" or "pro-choice" for short.  The latter is 
>easier to say.

>Note that the label "pro-abortion" is improper because it implies 
>that abortion is generally preferred over birth and adoption, which 
>is not the stance of this group.  "pro-abortion-choice" would 
>also impart an incorrect meaning in the same way.

>Note that the label "anti-abortion" seems proper since 
>it implies that abortion is considered less good than the 
>birth and adoption choices, which is the stance of this group.

>But... on the other hand, some people in the "pro-choice" camp 
>also consider abortion less good than birth and adoption, so 
>the term "anti-abortion" is too vague and not useful in 
>delineating the two camps.

>Damn, this is trickier than I thought it was when I started...  :-)

>OK. let's try "anti-abortion-choice".  That should work. 
>It defines the stance of one group without also describing 
>the position of members inside the opposing camp.

Nope.  The choice should be there if mother endangerment is involved.

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