From: greimann@pecan.cns.udel.edu (john greimann)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: specifically comparing NeXT with Mac...
Date: 12 Nov 92 06:30:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: udel.1992Nov12.063048.25711
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark

In article <1992Nov12.043241.1172@udel.edu> deek@pecan.cns.udel.edu (michael deerkoski) writes:
>In article <199211112223.AA01808@hobbes.cuc.ab.ca> rob@hobbes.cuc.ab.CA (Rob Parkhill) writes:
>>>>These are the latest (Canadian) edu prices for both systems:
>>> * With prices available at UCD to me to the left *
>>					      ^^^^ to the right, actually
>>					(Just to clear things up a bit)
>>> * Mail order (MO) prices used when appropriate   *
>>>>Quadra 950, 8MB RAM, No HD, 1 floppy drive      $6 514 -UCD-> $5 153
>>>>Keyboard                                        $  233 -UCD-> $  159
>>>>Monitor and VRAM (your prices -> Canadian)      $1 300 -UCD-> $1 300
>>>>(Also: Isn't it necessary to add a display
>>>>card to get 24bit colour for a Quadra?        No. VRAM is all you need.
>>						^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^					
>>My price list is wrong then. I'll have to mention that to the MicroStore
>>
>>>>200MB Hard Drive                                $  500 -MO--> $  500
>>>>Total                                           $8 547 -TOT-> $7 112
>>>
>>>
>>>>NeXTstation Turbo Color                         $5 870 -UCD-> $5 266
>>>>w/ 16MB RAM, 250 MB Hard Drive
>>>>(Comes with keyboard and mouse) (Not at UCD)           -UCD-> $  179
>>>>17" NeXT Colour Monitor                         $1 930 -UCD-> $1 825
>>>>Total with 17" Monitor                          $6 670 -UCD-> $7 260
>>
>>Gee.. thanks for hacking up my post and taking it out of context! Try 
>>
>>reading it a little more carefully and you'll see that the price you've
>>listed for the Mac is for with 17" monitor that was quoted in the previous post  
>>at $1100 with 16Meg of RAM.  So.. using US dollars.. that monitor is about 
>>
>>$650 so... the NeXTstation Turbo Color with THAT monitor price 
>>
>>for UCD should read
>>NeXTstation Turbo Color		-UCD-> $6095
>>Well well well.. the NeXT is cheaper when this price is used (why should 
>>
>>use the NeXT monitor price when the Apple monitor price isn' used?)
>>Or, if you want to be fair.. the Apple 16" Monitor goes for $1 144 (US)
>>making the Mac --->  	$7 406
>>And the NeXT price for the 17" Monitor(Sony Trinitron) is $1 825
>>making the NeXT---> 	$7 260
>>Let me grab my calculator.. yup.. those are right.. and the NeXT is still
>>ahead. And ALL prices are in US dollars now...
>>
>>>
>>>Note that now the prices are closer - but here is what may be a
>>>more fair Mac to compare with:
>>>Quadra 700, 4MB Ram, No HD                       $3 327
>>>Add 4MB Ram, 1.5MB VRAM                          $  400
>>>Keyboard                                         $  159
>>>Add 120MB Hard Drive                             $  399
>>>Apple 16" Color Monitor                          $1 144
>>>Total:                                           $5 429
>>
>>Gee.. at that price for RAM.. the monitor price used above
>>would drop to about $150.. but like I said before... that
>>price is very hard to believe.. and I would like to know
>>where I can get a 17" colour monitor and 16Meg of RAM for
>>$1100!
>>
>>>
>>>Why only a 700, which runs at 25Mhz not 33? And why only the
>>>120 MB hard drive?
>>>Simple. The NeXT requires more resources to do all it does.
>>>Compare a 700 and a NSTC. The 700 appears & responds just as fast.
>>>NeXT advocates will respond that the NeXT is doing what it does
>>>via Display Postscript. True. Can't be argued. What can be
>>>argued is the usefulness: Unless you do DTP, display postscript
>>>is nice, but not much more than that.
>>
>>Well.. how about adding in $3000 for a PostScript Level 2 laser
>>printer to the Mac.. but $1400 for the NeXT.. but I won't...
>
>Apple's Personal Writer NTR with PostScript level 2 and a AMD Am29005 RISC
>processor costs $1989 RETAIL.  You can purchase it via edu
>prices for considerably less.
>-- 
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Mike,

	I understand your Mac is on the net, correct?  So, why can't you
post news directly from your machine?  

And, oh, add another what, $160 or so for an ethernet card for the Quadra...

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