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From: dcampbel@timshel.austin.ibm.com (David L. Campbell)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Stack pickup question...
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:36:21 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin, TX

In article <1992Oct6.081611.1@ducvax.auburn.edu> swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>
>I have a Fender HM Strat.  This guitar has 2 single coil American Standard
>pickups and 1 Dimarzio Humbucker by the bridge.  The single coils sound good
>but they hum pretty loud sometimes.  I recently bought a Dimarzio HS-3 Stack
>Pickup, because it is advertised as being a noise-cancelling pickup.  I
>installed it in the neck position of the HM Strat last night.  I was
>surprised to find that it isn't all THAT quiet.  It doesn't hum as loud as
>the original Fender (middle position) but it isn't nearly as quiet as the 
>Humbucker.
>
>Any ideas?  Is this just the way it is, that Stacks are in-between single
>coils and humbuckers noise-wise?  I think I hooked it up correctly (black
>positive, green/ground wire ground, left the two connected middle wires alone
>(taped together)).

I use an HS1 in the neck position and an HS2 in the middle.  These pickups
are *alot* quieter than the single coils they replaced.  This leads me to
believe that perhaps yours is wired incorrectly.  This is very possible,
as DiMarzio humbuckers are evidently wired "backwards" relative to other
humbuckers.  When I first installed them, they seemed to pick up alot of
interference.  I had it checked out by a local guitar guru and after he
reversed the polarity on a couple of pickups, it was alot quieter.  This
struck me as strange because they didn't sound out-of-phase, but I'm not
an EE type, so I don't proclaim to know.  (Perhaps some engineer could
shed some light on the situation???)


David.
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From: mbreen@sdacs.ucsd.edu (Michael Breen)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Oh please...........
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:17:32 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdacs.ucsd.edu

In article <1bkq9hINNoc9@coral.bucknell.edu> motto@bucknell.edu (john motto `94) writes:
>In article <oepc1m600VpK41CEsV@andrew.cmu.edu>, Haw Juin Lin <hl27+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>|> [his very long article deleted]
>
>Is this stuff really necessary here?  Do we have to have this??????????????

We have to have this so people like john can post an article that is
one line long, and include the original 4000 line article.

C'mon dude, we all saw this once.  If we wanted it, we wrote it to disk,
if we didn't, we pressed 'n'.  Your article just brought the whole damn
thing back round again.
If you want to flame someone for posting too much, just give us a line or two
giving the reason for deletion, and post (like I did!).

There's nettiquite, then there's "wake up and figure it out!"
Case of the latter.

Michael Breen
singing and philosophizing
(and *not* flaming, just tired of GnR tabs too)
From: TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Alternate tunings
Date: 11 Oct 92 16:26:25 GMT
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa

I have a Deep Philosophical Question that I hope will inspire some discussion.
Which impresses you more, a guitar player who does new and interesting things b
y playing around with weird tunings, or a player who does amazing things by wor
king within the restrictions of standard tuning? I realize this is probably and
 unfair question, and I'm not sure how I feel about it. Whattya think?
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From: v088ptfu@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (HUNG LO)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Marshall Micro Stack FOR SALE
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:22:00 GMT
Organization: Leavenworth Federal Penetentiary
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Im posting this for a friend so dont yell at me

MARSHALL MICRO STACK FOR SALE
white tolex
10 watts
dual input (high/low sensitivity)
make an offer no matter how low, but nothing stupid
From: labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Heritage Johnny Smith Arch Top Guitar
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:34:59 GMT
Reply-To: labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

Heritage makes excellent guitars.  I picked out a 335 style
guitar for a friend over a year ago.  We both still love it.
Great sound & construction, great tone and playability.
  
--------------------------------------
Maurice LaBiche   |   labiche@bnr.ca 
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: walsh@rcf.rsmas.miami.edu
Subject: Re: Djangology
Reply-To: walsh@rcf.rsmas.miami.edu
Organization: RSMAS
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 15:19:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.210440.13503@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>, scduncan@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Sean C. Duncan, Idiot) writes:
>I saw a Django Reinhardt album in the store today.  It was entitiled 
>Djangology or something like that.  I've been wanting to hear his stuff,
>but never knew where to start.  Is this good?  Any other recommendations?
My personal favorites are the two (maybe there are more) that he did with
Stephan Grapelli and the Quintet of the Hot Club of France. The photo on the
album cover is worth the money alone. Amazing how such geekly looking guys
sound so hip (still). Guess that's what musical staying power is all about.
The song I like the most is one called "Undecided" or something like that. It
features a female vocalist who's name escapes me
I'll look up the label, etc. tonight when I go home.
Cheers, Pat Walsh

 scd@einstein.bgsu.edu :: scduncan@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
>"The best thing to come out of Ohio is I-75." - Anonymous
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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: braunste@fjord.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (steam)
Subject: fender deluxe reverb amp
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 05:45:07 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

does anyone know how to date these amps?  i've heard there's supposed to  
be a simple way by looking at the serial number.

steam
From: ISTS024@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Leonard Watkins)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Headless Guitars
Date: 14 Oct 1992 08:59:58 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I was wanting some info on what companies make headless guitars i have a
cheap headless that has had major surgery and has become a fun playing
guitar. I know Stein....(?) makes one and Lazer by Erlwine(?) does anyone
have and idea of the cost of the Lazer i know the Steinb.. is too much
I just need info on other brands and where to locate them....e-mail address
is Ists024@uabdpo....Thanks .....L.W.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: msaleski@tegra.com (Mark Saleski)
Subject: Re: Chet Atkins music
Organization: Tegra-Varityper, Inc. Billerica, MA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:47:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.174407.18434@lsa.umich.edu> m713@hosp.med.umich.edu (Gerald Ross) writes:

  >    In  <BvypvJ.GKA@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>  dgaudet@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Dean Gaudet) writes:
  >    > I used to know a guitarist who'd play a bunch of Chet Atkins finger-picking
  >    > songs.  I liked the way they sounded... unfortunately I have no clues what
  >    > the names of the songs or albums are.  Can anyone help me?  Is there
  >    > tab available for these songs anywhere?
  >    >
  >    > Dean
  > 
  > 
  >    If you are looking for a guitarist that sounds like chet atkins you
  >    probably heard a French guitarist named Marcel Dadi. He recorded a
  >    bunch of albums in the late 70's early 80's. He might be on the Kicking
  >    Mule label.
  > 
  >    If you are looking for Chet Atkins records, be careful! IMHO some
  >    are really trash. The guitar playing is excellent but frequently
  >    they add corny back up singers and schmaltzy string sections to
  >    get a Muzak kind of sound.  Try to stick with his solo albums.
  > 

     you also might want to check out Guy Van Duser ... he has said at shows
     that his main influence when learning the guitar was Chet Atkins....
     Van Duser plays some incredible fingerstyle guitar...

-- 
 Mark Saleski                                               msaleski@tegra.com
"Unfortunately, life contains an unavoidable element of unpredictability"
        -David Lynch "The Angriest Dog in the World"

Xref: sparky alt.guitar:8871 rec.music.synth:16467
From: spence@snake.esd.sgi.com (Spencer Murray)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Buying in San Francisco
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:41:46 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA


In article <1992Oct9.113720.27808@newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de>, cseb@frodo.lfi.uni-hannover.de writes:
> Hello.
> 
>    A friend of mine will go to California and buy a Fender Princeton
> Chorus for me. I put together a list of music stores in SF from the
> information I found on the net (thanks to Rich Kulawiec, Marc Webster
> and William J. Sequeira).
> 
> 
> ---
> 
> Christian Sebeke, Univ. Hannover/LFI, Schneiderberg 32, D-3000 Hannover 1                             Tel: +49 511 762 5035                    sebeke@frodo.lfi.uni-hannover.de


Make sure you check out Gelb Music 415-365-8878. Depending on
how far south of SF you're willing to go, check out Green Valley
Music in Watsonville.

spence@sgi.com
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: m713@hosp.med.umich.edu
Subject: Bartolini Pickups
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: m713@hosp.med.umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan Math Dept
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:38:19 GMT

I need the address and phone number of Bartolini Pickups. I have
a 1982 Ibanez F hole guitar with the stock humbuckers on it. I want
a more traditional jazz sound. I like the P-90 sound. Any suggestions
thanks.
From: fishnets@soulsteppin.Corp.Sun.COM (Emily)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Exquisite Corpse
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:16:59 GMT
Reply-To: fishnets@soulsteppin.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: soulsteppin.corp.sun.com




Please excuse me if this is a FAQ, but no one in alt.music.alternative
had the answer.  At the end of Bauhaus's Exquisite Corpse, there
is an old man talking out his young darling growing up, going off
to school, etc.  Does anyone know where this came from?  Is it from an
old movie?

Thanks!
__
\/ Emily
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: nbrao@athena.mit.edu (?????)
Subject: Re: Sisters of Mercy history
Keywords: history, Sisters of Mercy, Sisterhood
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: alt.gothic
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 04:49:10 GMT


|> been given.  The US release date will be some time in June.

Someone oughta fix that date there.  :)

|> *******************************************************************************
|> Give me one good reason... Give me just a little logic.  S.o.M.
|> mail william@sage.cc.purdue.edu
|> *******************************************************************************

Just a little logic?  Is there another version of this song?  I thought it was
"Give me more ssssssssssssssssssss.......   amphetamine logic"

Nhan
From: rji@nyquist.cs.nott.ac.uk (Rob Ingram)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Death - goth, live music etc.
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:23:49 GMT
Organization: Communications Research Group

In article <718889741.27738@minster.york.ac.uk>, pete@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
|> 
|> > The Nosferatu audience may be very committed,
|> > but they are also very small - only about 40 people - and this is Leeds !
|> 
|> Audiences everywhere are down. Live music at a local scale seems to be
|> in a terrible slump at the moment - I usually average a couple of gigs
|> a month (mostly not Goth ones, admittedly) but haven't seen anything to
|> tempt me out since the Sisters at the NEC... e.g. the Duchess has had a
|> very poor selection recently, at least nothing much to tempt me 30 miles.
|> I blame all that anonymous rave crud. 
|> 
|> Maybe now all the underscrotes are back at university things will
|> improve a bit, but this has been the thinnest musical summer in living
|> memory in this part of the world!
|> 

This summer has been bad but here in Nottingham things are looking up
for the new term. As I mentioned in a previous message Christian Death
are playing Rock City on Hallowe'en and on December the 8th there is a
`Christmas Nightmare' featuring Rosetta Stone, Creaming Jesus, END-G and
others. For a few months now Rock City has been running concerts on
Saturday nights along side their so called alternative nights, most of
the bands being goth bands but with a few others scattered in between. 
The Marionettes are playing one of these nights soon and also of interest
are Ministry on Nov. 17th. So if you are into the newer goth bands
Nottingham is looking up for the next couple of months.

			Rob.

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From: meep@starbird.WPI.EDU (A Son of the Silent Age)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Bauhaus
Keywords: final concert
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:05:46 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: starbird.wpi.edu

In article <24=vH$rz!9@atlantis.psu.edu> cramer@mahler.psu.edu (Michael R. Cramer) writes:
>In article <BvtEED.G73@acsu.buffalo.edu> bsherman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Brian C. Sherman) writes:
>>wider distribution?  Who are Nemo Records?  Why isn't this a Beggar's Banquet
>>release?  Do they have more Bauhaus shows?
>
>I bought it late in August in a Tower Records store in Philadelphia. At
>first I thought it MUST be a bootleg, as it wasn't on Beggars Banquet,
>but upon opening it I was amazed at the quality. The sound is fantastic!!
>And they waited an awful long time to release it if it was a bootleg. I  
>still kinda think it must be a bootleg though

As I understand it, Nemo is a new imprint owned by Beggars Banquet, so it's
still a BB release (sort of). I don't know why it took so long to come out.
Maybe they figured there wouldn't be much demand for it, since there's
already a concert album.

Doug
From: mertes@vax.sonoma.edu
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: JANE A. *IN MAINE* READ THIS :->
Summary: LOST EMAIL ADDRESS
Date: 7 Oct 92 08:44:17 GMT
Organization: Sonoma State University


			Jane A. in maine post me cause I lost your 
email address, I copied the ones down that you told me would work, however,
neither one I copied down works, I cannot get through. Hmmmm what a bummer!

I hope you get this one!!!!

laters
I have  a plane to update your selection of music.....:-)
From: ssimpson@zeus.calpoly.edu (the Dragon)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Vlad and the Dark Theatre
Date: 10 Oct 92 23:59:46 GMT
Organization: USDA Forest Service

cg841@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matt L. Carlson) writes:
>
>I've heard of a group called Vlad and The Dark Theatre, but I 
>haven't been able to get ahold of anything by them.
>Have any of you heard them?  Are they any good?  WHERE CAN I GET
>AHOLD OF THEIR STUFF???  I have the same questions for a group
>called London After Midnight
> 

I just recently picked up their Matters Of Life And Undeath CD.  They're on
Bader Records out of Illinois, but I've no address for you (sorry).
They're not bad; not entirely polished yet, but it grows on you in a way.
Their sound is similar to a union of pre-Mindcrime Queensryche with a
dancable beat and Anne Rice overtones (of sorts).  They're definitely a
"theme" band, though; very much into their fangs.  Check a local record
store and see if they can order it, or check yourself in the mighty Tome
most larger stores have out and see if you can find it listed.  Oh, and I
just have the title of The Dark Theater for the band on my CD.

   --the Dragon


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From: cg841@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matt L. Carlson)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Vlad and the Dark Theatre
Date: 7 Oct 1992 04:53:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I've heard of a group called Vlad and The Dark Theatre, but I 
haven't been able to get ahold of anything by them.
Have any of you heard them?  Are they any good?  WHERE CAN I GET
AHOLD OF THEIR STUFF???  I have the same questions for a group
called London After Midnight
 
Thanks all..
 
Matt..
From: ajs90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Suter AJ)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: swans discography
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:06:42 GMT

In <1ahndiINN6mo@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> smv3@po.CWRU.Edu (Sean M. Vadas) writes:


>I only have White Light... and Love of Life but I was told that
>they put out a maxi-single that covered Joy Div's 'Love Will Tear Us
>Apart'.  Does anyone know anything about this?  How readily available
>is it, no one hear in Cleveland seems to know much about it.

I saw the vidoe to this on  a music program in the UK a few years ago.
I assume it was released as a single and hence might be availble on
mail order import from the uk. Other than that I haven't a clue I'm
afraid to say. 
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: wolf@cheshire.oxy.edu (Clinton Richard Wolf)
Subject: Re: Gothic-type magazine
Keywords: what was the title?
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:15:46 GMT

In article <Oct.16.16.32.14.1992.29822@dimacs.rutgers.edu> armhold@dimacs.rutgers.edu (George Armhold) writes:
>
>I recall a magazine that used to be devoted to short story-type
>fiction, usually of a gothic, Lovecraft-like nature.  Very appropriate
>for the October season.  I can't for the life of me recall the name of

 GAH! He mentioned 'gothic' and Lovecraft in one sentence!!!!

 Kill him, HWRN... kill him NOW.

-- Clint (hey, you should see how I react when someone mentions Bacardi and
         ingrown toenails in the same sentence. Brr.)

Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: t89par@tdb.uu.se (Par Svensson)
Subject: Re: swans discography
Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:36:54 GMT


: In <1ahndiINN6mo@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> smv3@po.CWRU.Edu (Sean M. Vadas) writes:
: 
: 
: >I only have White Light... and Love of Life but I was told that
: >they put out a maxi-single that covered Joy Div's 'Love Will Tear Us
: >Apart'.  Does anyone know anything about this?  How readily available
: >is it, no one hear in Cleveland seems to know much about it.
: 
Yep, that's true. They even released two 12":s containing the song. The
one on red vinyl contains LWTUA sung by Gira + 2 other songs. The black
vinyl version features both the red version and one with Jarboe on vocals.
It's not too common, at least not in Sweden, but you spot it once in a while.
BTW, if you liked WLFTMOI, get 'The burning world'!

/Par
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: voeckler@ipc1.rrzn.uni-hannover.de (Jens Soenke Voeckler)
Subject: Re: New Rubicon / Love Like Blood
Organization: RVS, Universitaet Hannover, Germany
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 11:57:22 GMT

sut@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Secure Unix Team KID01) writes:
: In article <841@dsbc.icl.co.uk> Secure Unix Team KID01 <sut@dsbc.icl.co.uk> writes:
: >In article <1992Oct7.160528.19545@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE> Boris.Wirtz@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de writes:
: >>I just listened at my record store to the new releases of Rubicon and
: >>Love Like Blood.
: >>
: >hmm, just a thought, but both these bands have the same names as Killing Joke
: 
: songs! (whoops). "Love like blood" was on Nighttime and 'Rubicon" on Brighter
: than a Thousand Suns.

I guess, Boris did not mean Killing Joke; he refers to some German alternative music
bands. "hypnobeat" at Siemensstr. xx, 7xxx Lauf, Germany, is the distributor for
those groups, also be available via Rough Trade Records. For more information concerning
the groups and "hypnobeat" refer to the ad in the independent music magazine "Zillo".

By the way, I was looking for the title "Love Like Blood"; now I know.
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From: rji@nyquist.cs.nott.ac.uk (Rob Ingram)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Death - goth, live music etc.
Date: 16 Oct 92 10:37:02 GMT
Organization: Communications Research Group

In article <850@dsbc.icl.co.uk>, sut@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Secure Unix Team KID01) writes:
|> In article <719087415.16447@minster.york.ac.uk> pete@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
|> 
|> hmmm, reminds me when I was a humble steward at Leeds Uni and Nik "top of the
|> pops" Kershaw sold about 5 tickets for a 1500 gig.

I once saw Every New Dead Ghost here in Nottingham (their hometown remember)
and there was me, my three mates and about two others who actually endured
the supports long enough to see END-G, then we had to endure *them* for about
30 minutes.
I have actually seen them again since then and I can honestly say they
haven't improved one bit.

			Rob.

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From: sut@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Secure Unix Team KID01)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Death - goth, live music etc.
Date: 13 Oct 92 09:10:19 GMT
Organization: ICL Bracknell, UK

In article <718889741.27738@minster.york.ac.uk> pete@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>
>-bat. says (in his excellent review of Nosferatu):
>Purely as a matter of interest, were the Nosferatu audience old enough to
>have remembered that style of Goth first time round, or were they young kids? 
>
>> The Nosferatu audience may be very committed,
>> but they are also very small - only about 40 people - and this is Leeds !

My memory may be a bit rusty but 40 people is more like a full house for
the Duchess of York. I went to Leeds a couple of years ago and it seemed like
Goth had died a bit, even the Faversham was different, (used to be the
watering hole for the Mish).

Just out of interest but since SoM have been touring have they actually 
played any gigs back in Leeds, I know that even when the Mish were touring
around the world they would still play to a private audience at the 
Warehouse.

calv "don't wear my pointed boots anymore" Austin
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