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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:12:48 PDT
From:         Peter Uchytil <kentrox!ktxs8!peter@UUNET.UU.NET>
Subject:      Re: Proteus 1/2/3
Comments: To: uunet!AMERICAN.EDU!SYNTH-L@uunet.UU.NET

>
>diarmuid@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Diarmuid Pigott) writes:
>>I have a Proteus/2, and I know some mention was recently made of an
>>upgrade to make some /2 features available for the /1 users. Is the
>>reverse option true?
>
> Don't think so.  The Proteus/2 alrready has 8 meg of waveforms.  The
> stock Proteus/1 has 4 meg, which the E-Mu orchestral expander
> increases to 8 with selected samples from the /2.

I'm curious, what do Proteus owners recommend, getting a Pro/1 w/ orchestral
expander, or a Pro/2?  Oh, obviously I want the orchestral sounds (the SQ2's
strings aren't *bad*, but if I do much at all with 'em, there goes all my
polyphony). I guess my thinking is, if I'm sort of a pop-orchestral kind of
guy, am I going overkill with the Pro/2?  Will the Pro/1 w/ expansion give
me enough of the "bread & butter" sounds?

I know, the best way to find out is to go hunt down the boxes.  I
really should do that, but I'm not dying to get anything new at the moment.
I'm just kinda curious.

Pete
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: hgs@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Harry Salvini)
Subject: Midi Interface for Sun/SGI?
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:37:10 GMT

We had a network, which consisted of a Sun Sparc 2 driving out of it's
serial port, a serial signal, to an Amiga 2000.  The Amiga converted
the signal to MIDI, and went out it's serial/MIDI port to an EMAX II,
which contained numerout sounds.  These sounds were directed but the Sun
to go out one of the four (sub a/b) ports, to give a complete surround
sound effect.

On a computer monitor, imagine flying some kind of an airplane, and you
hear a sound behind you slightly to your left.  You turn the plane
around, and as the view changed, so does the location of the sound.

All well and good.  The problem is, we want to just send a signal out
of the Sun (or an SGI), and drive the EMAX II directly, and not mess
with the "repeater" thing on the Amiga.

Note, a subcontractor designed the system as it is now, and we want to
clean it up.  The fewer pieces of equipment to haul around, the better.

What do you, the net-land, think would be an appropriate MIDI interface
for a Sun/SGI host?

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From: diarmuid@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Diarmuid Pigott)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Proteus 1/2/3
Date: 13 Sep 1992 18:20:09 +0800
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: uniwa.uwa.edu.au
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Protologic is what I had heard about presumably. How much and where
from? And are they only for XR?
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Casio Midi Horn Wanted
From: Phil.O'Keefe@f170.n103.z1.fidonet.org (Phil O'Keefe)
Date: 1 Sep 92 04:56:22 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:103/170 - Cole Place Music Bo, Buena Park CA

In a message dated 29 Aug 92  17:09:01, Shiv Naimpally wrote:

 SN> A friend is looking for a Casio MIDI horn - he's worn his out and
 SN> needs a new one. If you have one you aren't using and would like to
 SN> sell, please post (or email me). Thanks.

     Just curious....what went wrong with his Casio? I have a DH-200 that I 
really like, and have never had any problems with it (although I would RATHER 
have a WX-7/WX-11!). I paid $29 for it NEW from West LA music about a year or 
so ago. Seems I remember seeing a ad in Keyboard or EM (in the back) about a 
place that specialises in Casio MIDI stuff...FZ-1's, DH-200's, MIDI Gtrs, 
DATs, etc. He might want to check that out. 
     Aaah, here it is: Casio closeout. (414) 784-9001. He might also want to 
check with Casio...maybe his can be repaired.

                              Phil O'Keefe



 

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From: ktou@redx.washington.edu (Toussaint)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: FOR SALE: Alesis HR16, Yamaha TX81Z, etc.
Keywords: FOR SALE TX81Z HR16 CMS401 ANGEL CITY
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:11:27 GMT
Organization: UW Information Systems

Revamping my entire setup (such as it is :-)

Alesis HR16:	US$225
	Drum Machine.  Clean 16 bit sounds.  Easy to use.  Well documented.	
	Excellent home-studio-only condition.

Yamaha TX81Z:	US$275 (Please read on ...)
	The 4-operator 8-waveform FM tone generator that has lots of creative
	life left in it.  As a bonus you also get the ANGEL CITY Library of
	sounds that I *BOUGHT* for the TX (including all documentation) AND
	The Bartleby's TX81Z patch editor/librarian (also *BOUGHT* from the
	maker and including documentation) for MS-DOS computers.  I've also
	got a couple books I'll throw into the deal.  Call for details.

CMS401:		US$100
	Basic MPU401 compatible MIDI card for the IBM-PC and clones.  All
	documentation included.

If you're interested in the entire package, float a price out there and see 
what happens.

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: rhysling@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (RHYSLING MICHAEL S)
Subject: What's a fair price for a used SY77?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:59:40 GMT

The subject pretty much says it all.  The synth in question is in perfect
condition and I'm not sure what a reasonable price is.  Have these been
phased out by Yamaha?

Please email replies to kier@gwl.com

Thanks a lot,
Kieran
From: dan@cafws1.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
Subject: OB-X and Juno-60
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:16:04 GMT

	Hello, everyone.  Over the weekend I got to play around with an OB-X
and a Juno-60.  Nice boards, but both were pretty lean on modulation options.
Each had a great sound, though.  Incredible chorusing on the Juno; too bad it
introduces so much noise.  One thing I couldn't figure out on the OB-X:  What
does the Xmod button in the VCO section do?  Also, is it just me, or does the
oscillator sync on the Xpander just suck rocks?  In playing around with some
old "real" analog synths, I've heard incredible effects from sweeping a synced
oscillator.  On the Xpander, I haven't been able to do too much with it...

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: davecole@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (David Cole)
Subject: Whatever happened to Mr. Kurzweil?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 02:48:10 GMT

Does anyone know whatever happened to the Kurzweil (Ray?) who founded various
digital technology companies, including the synth company? 

Inquiring minds want to know!

DaveCole

dcole@ua.d.umn.edu
davecole@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
From: D_NIBBY@UNHH.UNH.EDU (Dana   Nibby)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: equipment for techno/film scoring
Date: 6 Sep 92 14:36:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: UNHH.715790171.870000.D_NIBBY


I'm posting this again due to the lack of response I got in the summer.


    I have an Amiga 500 (that can sample in 8-bit and do sequencing), and
I'd like to purchase a synthesizer for it, for use in techno projects and
maybe some experimental soundscapes. I have about $500-$800 to spend on a
*used* synth, and I'm looking for suggestion. I need real techno sounds I
can work worth... So far a VFX was suggested, and maybe a Proteus.
Can someone tell me something about the Proteus and prices?
I've seen Proteus' go for $500-$600 used, but it seems some people think
you can only get them for $1000 used. Does this mean that the older model
Proteus' are *not* good for techno, or that these people don't know what

the hell they're talking about.

   I'm also looking for a used Boss DR-660 drum machine. Anyone have one
for sale? (keep in mind that they go for $375 U.S. brand spanking new)


    Also, does anyone know what synths/samplers/drum machines are used
by the dance band Orbital? I'd particularly like to know what they used
on the track 'belfast.' As far as a drum machine, I *think* it's an 808.

    Anyone know what 808 State uses for synths, now that we're on the
subject? Esp. on the track Cubic. Obviously I know what drum machine they
use... 

   Pax,

    Dana
From: foster@niblick.ecn.purdue.edu (Kirk Foster)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: For Sale - Prices Reduced
Keywords: DX7,TX7,SY22
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:36:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

Synths for sale (prices reduced)

	DX7 w/ E! in mint condition (Honest!)
	Manuals for DX and E!
	Soft case
	3 RAM cartridges                        $450 obo

	TX7 module w/many patches on IBM disks  $150 obo

	SY22 vector synth
	Yamaha and Alexander manuals
	Valhala Orchestral Card
	Sustain pedal
	Soft case                               $550 obo


	UPS COD, shipping negotiable

::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

Email responses are preferred.

Home phone (317) 743-4957
 (near Indianapolis - call at reasonable hours PLEASE)

Kirk Foster
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:34:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Broken Prophet 6.
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth

I don't know Prophets, but do know electronics.  I'd look for common
factors between the LEDs going out and the sound going, and lack of
response to knobs and such.  The first thing I'd try would be a
look at the power supply.  You could have a component in the supply that
is dying as it warms up.  If it dies faster on a hit day...

Small components like ICs and transistors can be checked with a can of
cooling spray.  (Used to be made with Freon; don't know what's out there
now.)  You'd spray at a suspect device and see if it came back to life.
For bigger components, like capacitors and transformers, the cooling spray
ain't all that likely to work.

Disclaimer: If you aren't comfortable mucking around with the innards of
electronics devices, get somebody who is familiar with such to do the job.

Pete Brooks
From: barsz@bmtlh168.BNR.CA (Peter Barszczewski)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: So, why can't I buy a pitch-shift sampler?
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:37:40 GMT
Reply-To: barsz@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ltd.


In article <NICK.92Sep15153614@vaila.ed.ac.uk>, nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick
Rothwell) writes:
|> One thing which I've still not seen on a mainstream product is proper
|> pitchshifting (shift pitch while keeping timing of sub-audible events
|> like LFO's and envelopes). Is it still prohibitive compute-wise? If
|> someone made one, matching my other requirements, I'd seriously
|> consider buying it.

It is extremely computationally expensive and only accurate for certain types
of voices.  Most techniques I have seen, employ some sort of de-convolution
technique where the input "excitation" (or pitch) is deconvolved from the
"filtering".  The resulting excitation function is then shifted and re-entered
into the extracted filter.  Note the quotes, the "excitation" and "filter" are
time varying and only models for extraction, they may not correspond correctly
to musically relevant signals.  This, of course, has to be done in real-time on
a 16-bit 44.1 kHz signal (two for stereo) in which pitch and filter are both
time varying.  Therefore, if you have a 10 MIPS processor you get 226
machine instructions per sample to perfrom the above operations.  That is
tricky.

A good real-life analogy would be the human vocal tract.  The "excitation" is
your vocal chords vibrating for voiced speach (eg "a") and noise for unvoiced
(eg "sh").  The "filter" is your vocal tract and nasal passage.  These two
signals are: de-convolved (seperated) using neato mathematics (like Linear
Predictive Analysis); the pitch is shifted (by adjusting the time base, like a
normal sampler); re-entered into the "filter"; and tah-dah you sound like
Laurie Anderson sounding like John Wayne.  What is also really cool with speech
is if you start to play with the "filter" you get to sound like who ever you
want.  It can be done on speech because: a) you can sample at 10 kHz and nobody
really cares; and b) Linear Prediction is a good model for speech.  Musical
signals (and from what I gather, Nick Rothwell's musical signals in particular)
do not conform to such neat models as "excitation" and "filter" like speech
does.

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From: pauls@trsvax.tandy.com
Date: 15 Sep 92 09:01 CDT
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: MIDI Hex data Editor??
Message-ID: <27300052@trsvax>
Nf-ID: #N:trsvax:27300052:000:261
Nf-From: trsvax.tandy.com!pauls    Sep 15 09:01:00 1992


Is there a MIDI HEX editor for PC's out there? Something that will read in
a MIDI file, and let you change individual bytes, then write it back out.
Kind of like Norton, but lets you ADD bytes without overwriting.

Also looking for Windows based SCC-1 editor.


Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: ted@dgbt.doc.ca (Ted Grusec)
Subject: Re: SURVEY RESULTS: What PC MIDI interface do you use?
Organization: The Communications Research Centre
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 06:07:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.052637.23516@cis.ohio-state.edu> fontana@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Fontana) writes:
>
>>Since this "survey" has no sampling validity whatsoever, what possible
>>purpose did you think, Mark, could be served?>
>
>
>I've been flamed by about two dozen people on this point.  I'm terribly
>sorry for the wasted bandwidth.  Perhaps some of you could suggest ways
>to improve things instead of simply telling me I'm a "jerk" or "sh*thead"
>for conducting the survey as I did.
>
>Net surveys are not authoritative in any way, and a lot of factors figure
>into the results.  I had assumed most people would accept this!
>Compared to some articles and even entire newsgroups, I don't think
>the survey is "trash".
>

The statement above isn't a flame (...what possible purpose...), it's
a question.  There is no way to "improve" things.  It is simply not
possible to have meaningful results out of what you did.  If you, or
anyone else has a specific item you are interested in, then simply ask
for people's experiences with that item.  This would not be, or
pretend to be a "survey", but just a request for rumours, focussed on
a named item.  Everything that happens, or can happen on the net is
nothing more than rumours, and could never possibly be anything
approaching the requirements of a "survey".  And don't be so
thin-skinned, please!  We're your anonymous friends.  So when I
suggest that you might profit in your understanding of valid reasoning
by reading an introductory text on sampling statistics, it's not a
flame or a putdown but a sincere suggestion that you might learn
something that will be forever useful to you in a great many contexts
in your daily life. And there is nothing wrong with rumours!  What's
wrong is if people misinterpret their significance.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: Mark Fontana's survey (and the RESULTS thereof)
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 17:59:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.195959.2398@dgbt.doc.ca> ted@dgbt.doc.ca (Ted  
Grusec) writes:
> In article <9209111500.AA02700@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>  
JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL writes:
>
> [Yet more diatribe regarding a "survey" of PC MIDI interfaces.]
>

Geez. If it doesn't meet your criteria for a "survey", just call it an  
"opinion compilation". If it doesn't have value for you, BFD! It has value  
for a lot of people that understand the context it was created in. Mark no  
doubt spent a lot of time putting this "compilation" together, and I for  
one am glad he did. Magazine reviews and other information media are not  
exaclty "scientific" either. Why not just drop this and move on?

Gordon


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From: kml21025@UXA.CSO.UIUC.EDU (""da Ken-ster"")
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: U-220 vs SC-55...Thanks...
Date: 14 Sep 92 04:17:13 GMT


   Well, I just wanted to thank all those who responded to my request for help
with the U-220 vs SC-55 dilemma.  I received a lot of advice and even a few    
people who offered me a lower price on their U-220's...  
 
   Howeve, the overwhelming trend of the advice I received, though admitting
that the U-220 was a good piece of equipment (especially at $495 or less), 
kept saying, "go for the Sound Canvas and you won't regret it!"  So, I now
have one of them on the way, and I can't wait  (Ooh excitement! Excitement!)
(Ken in middle of purchase paradise...)

   Thanks again for all the help...

						Ken
From: ccavers@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Cam Cavers)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: MIDI Wind Instrument
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:22:04 GMT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

I'm orginally a clarinet and saxophone player who has never really learned how
to properly play the keyboard; while I will eventually get keyboard lessons, I
would like to play music the way I know the best.

So, can anyone give me any info on any or all of the MIDI wind instruments out
there? Approximate price, features, on board voices, etc would be nice. I don't
really need anything fancy, as I would mostly like something to play a lot of
real-time input into a sequencer with, but don't hesitate to respond if you
have anything in the $1000 plus range, too...

So far, I have heard a bit about the Windjammer, I think, and some Casio
horn...

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:01:28 CST
From:         "Rod L." <WEBERLOI@MAX.CC.UREGINA.CA>
Subject:      Re: Wanted: FTP sites for standard MIDI files

If you want to find all of the ftp sites with Rush song-files do the following.
..

     from your terminal type   "telnet 132.206.2.3" (enter)
                               at the login requester log in as "archie"
                               then type "prog Rush"
         The screen will then fill up with all ftp sites that have rush files.
     Use your (-) on the keypad to clear screens.  You can then print your scre
en to the printer or write the ftp sites down.  the ftp sites usually have an
 address such as eg...132.34.56.7 ect...  If you need any more help give me a
shout.    Later...
                   Rod L.
From: hicksm@hindmost.lpl.arizona.edu (Mike Hicks)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: PRICE LIST REQUEST
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:39:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.


	Hello Folks!  Could someone please post or email
	me a recent version of Ken Sheriff's used equipment
	price list?  

	I would very much appreciate it!
				
						-Michael Hicks
From: metlay@PHYAST.PITT.EDU (metlay)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: What is this microwave thing?
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:36:29 GMT


From: KTHY@UNB.CA (kathy edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: What is this microwave thing?
> 
> Dear omnipotent users of this group,

You rang, madam?

>    I was hoping someone could help me. My husband just picked up
> a new microwave which he said would make life much more pleasant.

It will, ma'am. For HIM, anyway. SSHHHWWUMMMMEEEEOOOWWWWMMMMMM>>>>>

> The strange thing is he has put it in his studio rather than in the
> kitchen. Also I looked at it and I can't figure out where you put the
> food in. It has a pretty, red dial and it looks neat but he won't
> let me read the instruction manuals to figure out how to use it.

Believe me, you wouldn't enjoy the read.

> Can anyone give me an idea how this thing works? Thanking you in
> advance, I remain, yours sincerely, Kathy Edwards

Kathy, I am the shameless cad who sold that device to your husband,
and I must confess to you now, since he apparently lacks the courage
to do so, that the Waldorf MicroWave he just bought is (alas! alas!)
not a device for warming food at all, but a synthesizer. He neglected
to inform me that he was trying to slip it into the house under the
guise of a household appliance, even as he neglected to inform me 
that the address in Maine to which I sent it was actually a drop-point 
so he could walk it through Customs by hand. You appear to be married
to an archfiend of terrifying magnitude, baser perhaps even than myself,
and I offer you my humblest condolences. 

Please take comfort in the fact that Alan is now one VERY happy camper
(all the more so because he sweet-talked me into selling the damn thing
for $100US less than I could have gotten elsewhere, the bum), and that
you will no longer have to hire a handyman to strip paint off the walls.
My advice is that you buy a set of shooter's earmuffs and take up stress
relief techniques, to save your sanity. Good luck.

> P.S. I thought Waldorf made hotels?!?

Wrong Waldorf, I'm afraid. These people make noise toys for noise boys.

Regards,
 
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dr. michael metlay          \ TEAM-METLAYISM OF THE WEEK (from N. Rothwell):
atomic city                  \ "Neeed." As in, "I know I have a huge rig of
                              \ twenty synths and a computer I don't know how
metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu \ to use yet! But I Neeed a K2000, too!"

PS. Why did I sell it, you may ask? Well, believe it or not, I own a box
that can make even more horrendous cacaphony than the MicroWave can. But
don't worry; Alan won't be able to sneak a Prophet VS past you as a food
processor with a joystick, I promise. The piano keys are a dead giveaway.
From: ruska@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Dave Ruska)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:00:43 GMT
Subject: Re: Musician's Friend (was Mail Order Prices)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA