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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re:  Why X _is_ making money
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 18:28:42 GMT

In article <jperkski.02jq@kentcomm.UUCP> jperkski@kentcomm.UUCP (Jim Perkowski) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.155416.17951@b8.b8.ingr.com> anthony@panzer.b17b.ingr.com (Anthony Shipman) writes:
>>In article <sterbenc-040193150223@150.130.23.185>, sterbenc@ivhs.mot.com (Joe Sterbenc) writes:
>>|> Um, guys...
>>|>
>>|> It's not challenging the Culkinator or setting records, but X is
>>|> already in 8-digit profits - in spite of the Amazing Colossal Budget.
>>|>
>>|> There is one simplereason it's not as blockbustery as y'all apparently
>>|> expect it to be. Can you name any box office smash that was three and
>>|> a half hours long? It's simply too long to be an ideal box office movie.
>>|>
>>
>>Dances with Wolves, Gone with the Wind, Dr. Zhivago, Lawrence of Arabia, Ben Hur,
>>The Ten Commandments, etc., etc.
>
>Reds, Gandhi, Heaven's Gate, and The Right Stuff. Thought I would fill in some of
>the "etc's".:)

"Gandhi" made money.  It wasn't a major hit, but it made money.  The other
three films you listed did not.  (I shouldn't speak so fast, as I'm not
sure "Reds" didn't, but it did have an awfully high budget.)

Some long films make money.  Some don't.  Some films that run two hours
or longer make money.  Some don't.  I don't know of any real evidence,
as opposed to plausible arguments, that long films are less likely to
make money, or be blockbusters.

-- 
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Name This Obscure Old Movie
Date: 12 Jan 1993 11:05:10 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu
Keywords: A song...

In article <1993Jan12.173047.19683@infonode.ingr.com> 
dianne@dianne.b24a.ingr.com (Dianne Ferrans) writes:

> Saw a movie in the late 70's (but it was probably much older than that)

Much older.

> that had a song:
>
> Sisters, sisters, there were never such devoted sisters

Sing it, Rosemary.

> many men have tried to split us up, but no one can!

Close, but not quite.

> Lord, help the Mr. who comes between me and my sister
> and Lord, help the sister who comes between me and my man!
>
> Would like a title and short plot summary....thanks!

It's called "Citizen of Oz".  It's about a girl who is 
transported (by tornado) to a land beyond the rainbow,
where she and her dog, Rosebud, have many wacky adventures.

Arne
From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Most Underrated Actor/Actress
Date: 4 Jan 93 14:28:15 GMT
Organization: Austerlitz, Gershovitz, and Carmichael

Gary L Dare writes:
>
>We saw "Green Card" and "Sex, Lies and Videotape" over the past couple
>of weeks and Andie McDowell couldn't act her way out of a bag. 

She doesn't have enormous range, but what she does she does well. As
she isn't (from the interviews I've read) the finicky, fubsy, repressed
uber-nun she generally plays, I'd say she acts rather well.

-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> One never knows, do one?
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From: cam@athena.mit.edu (Daniel Cameron Daly)
Subject: evil dead III: army of darkness
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:33:28 GMT

Does anyone know when AoD is going to be coming out?  I saw a preview for it
before the Bodyguard, and it looks like it will be pretty good/funny.
I know that there were legal troubles involving release, so I hope that this
isn't just a teaser for something that will never appear.  Any info? Thanks.


--
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From: awai@warp.UWaterloo.ca (Alex Wai)
Subject: Re: Would you pay to see it (again) on the BIG screen?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:39:57 GMT

I would pay to see
   Star Wars
   The Terminator

Sometimes the 6 story tall IMAX theatre at Ontario Place has such
screenings. Now, that's a really big screen.

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From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Subject: Re: Accents
Organization: Exile Government of Bramming
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 18:53:25 GMT

  Am I really the only one that prefers a movie where the germans
speak german, the english english and the french french? I find
the use english with german accent instead of german to be 
ridicules.
-- 
Jesper Lauridsen        | Je ne suis pas un voyou
rorschak@daimi.aau.dk   | Je suis Monsieur Hire
From: masticol@cadenza.rutgers.edu (Steve Masticola)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: PEEVES at MOVIE THEATERS !
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:01:00 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

cb366@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark B. Bendiksen) writes:

>I realize it's not his fault, but I am the patron and he is
>the employee, and therefore HE IS in a position to
>deal with my complaing. You know as well as I do
>that instead of back-talking me, he should tell me
>thanks for notifying him of the problem and then
>he should go notify the proper person (projectionist,
>manager, whoever). 

The following response works well for back-talking minions:

1.	"What's your name?"
2.	"What's your manager's name?"
3.	"I want to speak to your manager. _Now._"

I'm feeling _very_ peevish this morning, so...

ObMooviePeeve1: Other quote people's unquote trash. The philosophy
		seems to be, "The generic ethnics are paid to clean
		up my garbage, so I can throw my shit all over
		the place, and to hell with everybody else."

		Such cretins should either get a clue, or stay far,
		far away from my movie theater.

ObMooviePeeve2: This applies only to movies screened at colleges. The
		sound systems are uniformly awful. You'd think they
		could afford at least a good pair of Peavey :-)
		speakers and a decent amp. Instead, they use some
		Soundesign $99.95 stereo with plastic speakers, that
		they found out on the curb. They also crank hell out
		of the gain, so that the characters sound like they're
		talking through a fan.

		At Rutgers, the	Discount State University of New
		Jersey, I can understand this; they've blown their
		budget on shiny (and shoddy) new research center
		buildings to impress the state government suits. But
		it's true even at places like the Princeton Summer
		Cinema, a show that has a gate of perhaps $1000 on a
		good night, and is operated by a veddy, veddy wealthy
		school. 

- Steve (masticol@cs.rutgers.edu).
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From: mlh@eddy.austin.ibm.com (Mike Haskell)
Subject: Re: top-grossing movies
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:37:31 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <1993Jan5.1489.36055@channel1> "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com> writes:
>   Here are the estimated weekend top ticket sales for 1992 according
>to Exhibitor Relations, with distributor and total gross.
>
>   1. "Batman Returns," Warner Bros., $163.7 million.
>   2. "Home Alone 2: Lost in New York," Fox, $145.8 million.
>   3. "Lethal Weapon 3," Warner Bros., $144.7 million.
>   4. "Sister Act," Disney, $139.6 million.
>   5. "Wayne's World," Paramount, $121.6 million.
>   6. "Basic Instinct," TriStar, $117.2 million.
>   7. "Aladdin," Disney, $114.8 million.
>   8. "A League of Their Own," Columbia, $107.4 million.
>   9. "The Bodyguard," Warner Bros., $88.2 million.
>   10. "The Hand that Rocks the Cradle," Disney, $87.59 million.

With the recent discussion about X, it would be nice if someone on the net
could post the cost of each film to produce/distribute/etc .

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From: kimp@rpi.edu (Phil Kim)
Subject: Re: Most Extreme Aspect Ratio?
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:04:28 GMT

An aspect ratio, 3:1, is the most extreme aspect ratio used.  I 
think It's a Mad Mad Mad World was "supposedly" filmed at 3:1 aspect 
ratio.
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From: (Joseph D. Barrus)
Subject: Re: The Weird List
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:36:15 GMT


In article <1ihvg0INNdtj@meaddata.meaddata.com> georged@meaddata (George Dibos) writes:
>You can add "Union City" -- a Barton Fink-flavored absurdist/surreal
>comedy starring Debbie Harry of Blondie fame.  Came out in 1980, 81, or
>82.  Definitely strange...
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Ahh,  Debbie Harry reminded me of another.  Videodrome.  Definately strange as well.

JDB
From: sahle@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Eskinder Sahle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Weird Movies
Date: 5 Jan 93 06:51:42 GMT
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA


Hi everyone:

Thanks for all the suggestions.  The list of weird movies so far is
below.  If you can think of more, please add....

Thanks,
--------------------------------------------------------------------

	1984
        The 5000 Fingers of Dr. T.
	A Clockwork Orange
        Alphaville
	Apocalypse Now
        After Hours
        Bambi Meets Godzilla
	Barton Fink
	Bagdad Cafe
	Blade Runner
	Blue Velvet
	Brave New World
	Brazil
        Comfort and Joy
	The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover
        Delicatessen
	Dracula
        Eating Raoul
        El Topo
        Fahrenheit 451
        Female Trouble
        Harold and Maude
        Heathers
        Holy Mountain
	Kafka
	LA Story
        The Man who Fell to Earth
	Naked Lunch
	Night on Earth
        Phantom of the Paradise
        Pink Flamingo
	Poison 
        Privilege
	Raising Arizona
	Repo Man
	Rumble (sp??) Fish from Coppola...
	Santa Sangre
	Shakes the Clown
	Slackers
	Stranger than Paradise
	Swimming to Cambodia
	Wild At Heart
From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Movies you were forced to see
Date: 5 Jan 93 23:42:06 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <1993Jan5.115053.2470@vixvax.mgi.com> eiswirth@vixvax.mgi.com (Steve Eiswirth) writes:
>	Broadcast News - one of the most overrated movies ever.  Holly Hunter
>	is clearly a member of the non-actors guild.  Wm. Hurt was the same
>	character for the nth movie in a row.  Albert Brooks was the only
>	good thing in the movie.

Tastes differ, I guess.  I thought this was the best movie of the year
it was released, and that Holly Hunter was one of the best things in it.
The general critical consensus agreed with me.  I saw it several times.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov
From: jdooley@maemaster.eng.uci.edu (John R. Dooley)
Subject: Re: How to Succeed in Business...
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:44:46 GMT
Distribution: rec

In article <JBA.93Jan5221412@kix.ai.mit.edu> jba@ai.mit.edu (Jonathan Amsterdam) writes:
>Last night I saw the wonderful film version of Frank Loesser's _How to
		      ^^^^^^^^^
>Succeed in Business without Really Trying_.  It's well-paced and funny,
>and Robert Morse is absolutely delightful.  I have a few questions about
>it:

100% agree.

>
>1. It seemed to be a little scant on music.  How many songs were cut from
>   the original show?

The songs cut from the play were:
Happy to Keep His Dinner Warm (sung by Rosemary and the Women's Chorus)
Coffee Break (sung by many members of the Cast)
The Company Way (the reprise sung by Frump)
Paris Original (sung by Rosemary)
Cinderella, Darling (sung by Schmittie and the Women's Chorus)
Love From a Heart of Gold (sung by Rudy Vallee and Heddy)

	* I think that's it, 5 songs dropped *

Added:
Rosemarie singing "I Believe in You". 

>2. I know from what has been written about _Tru_ that Robert Morse did not
>   appear on Broadway between _How to Succeed_ and _Tru_.  What *was* he
>   doing?  Something theatrical, I hope--he has a great talent.
>

He was in a few movies ... but I can't remember any titles off the
top of my head.  One's something of a cult classic though.

>3. Michele Lee, the female lead, looked awfully familiar.  I have this
>   funny feeling she was on some 60's TV show.  Was she?  What else has she
>   done?

I think she's in Knot's Landing or some such prime time soap.
She played opposite Dean Jones in "The Love Bug".

John D.
From: erobinette@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: commercials (was Re: PEEVES at MOVIE THEATERS !)
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:46:11 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

> The tape for one of the more recent Bond films had a John
> Cleese Schwepps commercial involving secret agents at the 
> beginning of the tape. Very funny.  I also tend to like
> it when the tape has a commercial that is somehow tied to the
> film. 
I agree with the sentiment here. But you all missed the best spot: John
Cleese's subliminal advertising Schweppes ad that precedes "A Fish Called
Wanda" :)

Eric Robinette
erobinette@desire.wright.edu
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From: fontana@condor.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Fontana)
Subject: Re: PEEVES at MOVIE THEATERS !
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:42:04 GMT


Kouhia Juhana writes, regarding movie theatre peeves:

    >>*when the copy of the film is bad (scratchy, etc.)

    >>*when the projectionist doesn't have the film focused, sound
    >>adjusted, etc.

    >>*when the sound from the movie in an adjoining theatre is turned
    >>up so loud that it interferes with what you're seeing

> Is somebody collecting these?
> I would like to forward them to a newspaper or such.


I don't really find these complaints to be thoughts of a genius-
aren't they basic, common sense-type expectations?  I doubt you'd
take anyone by surprise by publishing a list of them.


    >>*when the copy of the film is bad (scratchy, etc.)

Well, you can avoid this situation.  Even with careful handling, any new
print is going to show signs of wear after a month or two of about 35
showings per week.  If you want to see a beautiful print, see the movie
within the first week or two.  Most quality theaters (not necessarily
an oxymoron) do run prints through a film cleaner periodically during
the longer engagements.

Of course, if you're seeing movies at the dollar house, damaged prints
are almost a given, especially since second-run theaters tend to
play the more popular pictures, which have already been run through
the mill 6-8 weeks in a first-run house.

You'll also see more film problems on the art circuit, since these films
are distributed on a much smaller scale.  Often only a few prints are
struck, and these must endure all sorts of abuse from being run on
many varieties of substandard equipment in older theaters...
(To give an example, the Drexel North here in Columbus is running
reel-to-reel projection using Simplex projectors dating from 1934!)
Also, some art distributors use cheap film stock (Orion comes to mind;
aren't they having some financial difficulties right now?)
On the other hand, Miramax prints have generally been pretty good.


Mark
--
 "IF YOU SEE ONLY ONE MOVIE THIS YEAR..."  |  Mark A. Fontana, CIS Dept
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From: jondr@sco.COM (Karen Silkwood's car)
Subject: Re: Coppola's DRACULA
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 17:02:21 GMT


s1mbm@isuvax.iastate.edu (michael bruce mcdonald) writes:
>I think that your views about the relationship between culture and politics are
>very, very wrong.  I suppose you'd want to say that the *extremely* pejorative
>view of Gypsies in *Dracula* has nothing to do with their mass slaughter in
>the Holocaust, or with the German government's recent attempt to ship Gypsies
>"back" to Romania, but such political events are *closely*, profoundly related
>to the steady current of pejorative depictions of these people in works of
>culture, pejorative depictions that go back at least to the Middle Ages.
>By depicting Gypsies as less than fully human, Coppola (and Stoker before him)
>is perpetuating a cultural practice that has a *direct and pernicious*
>bearing on socio-political events.

the only pernicious practice in "dracula" is coppola's overuse of the tired
cliche of the swarthy gypsy servant.  in fact, most of "dracula" was
composed of tired cliches, dragged out for another spin through coppola's
filmmaking cuisinart.  this is why i can't believe anyone is attempting to
seriously critique this film - it is so obviously composed of half-baked
inanities that attempting to ascribe any malevolent socio-political thrust
to it seems like a total waste of time!  i doubt the writer had more than
five fully functioning neurons anyway.  so, you're going to have a hard time
convincing me that there was any malicious forethough involved.  i see it
more like "well, we're doing a film about dracula who's in transylvania, so
who would be carrying his bags?  well, gypsies of course!  didn't you see
the original film version?"  etc etc etc.  you might as well say that a
modern remake of "frankenstein" featuring torch-carrying villagers is a
deliberate slap in the face towards arsonists who have willingly put
themselves into therapy and are seeking to atone for their crimes.

it's a tired routine, mr mcdonald.  you're better off spending your energy
wondering why a show like "48 hours" which purports to be an objective
journalistic program aired such crap like their special on LSD two nights
ago.

-- 
Jon Drukman (God's personal DJ)                 uunet!sco!jondr   jondr@sco.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I was an infinitely hot and dense dot.
From: sahle@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Eskinder Sahle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: The Weird List
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:31:15 GMT
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA


Hi all:


Thanks guys for the suggestions on weird movies: the list I've 
compiled so far is below--please add if you can think of any other.

Thanks again
Ahmed
-----------------------------------------------------------------
The WL:

	1984
	A Clockwork Orange
	Apocalypse Now
	Barton Fink
	Bagdad Cafe
	Blade Runner
	Blue Velvet
	Brave New World
	Brazil
	The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover
	Dracula
	Hyunsuk Seung
	Kafka
	LA Story
	Naked Lunch
	Night on Earth
	Poison 
	Raising Arizona
	Repo Man
	Rumble (sp??) Fish from Coppola...
	Santa Sangre
	Shakes the Clown
	Slackers
	Wild At Heart
From: anthony@panzer.b17b.ingr.com (Anthony Shipman)
Subject: Re: Movies In the Public Domain
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:28:26 GMT

In article <138330001@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com>, stachnik@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (George Stachnik) writes:
|> I'm interested in movies that have passed into the public
|> domain.  Does anybody have a list?  I was told recently that
|> nobody owns the copyright to "It's a Wonderful Life", which
|> I found hard to believe.  Can anyone confirm or deny?  Are
|> there any other films of note that are in the public domain?

I hope this won't be too long winded, but as I grew up I was a TOTAL movie-head,
especially movies from the 30's and 40's. And I had never even HEARD of this film
until it suddenly (in early `80s) started appearing on practically every TV
channel around Christmas time. I read/saw somewhere (and I honestly think it was
on Siskel&Ebert) that the company that owned "It's a Wonderful Life"'s copyright
had let it run out and it was in the public domain, so therefore, every TV
station could own a copy and show it at-will without paying for the rights.

But this is all from memory and personal experience, so don't blame me if it's
wrong.

Anthony
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From: datta@cs.uwp.edu (David Datta)
Subject: Re: It's A Wonderful Like (Was Re: Movies In the Public Domain)
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 05:17:17 GMT

It was written:
: |> didn't have to pay money for, and, like the Wizard of Oz, it's probably
: |> more popular now than it was when it first came out.   I forget who

It probably isn't very popular now either, it is just free. Big
difference. I personally wouldn't mind if it was NEVER broadcast 
again.

This piece of trash movie is on an average of 30 times a week around
christmas around here (and that is not counting cable!). Not being able
to get cable where I live, I spend a lot of time watching videotapes
between thanksgiving and christmas.
-- 
-Dave datta@cs.uwp.edu
	"Such abuse would be illegal and is therefore unlikely." 
		- FBI Director William Sessions
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Subject: Re: Q on A Few Good Men: Poison???
From: thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:37:05 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <1993Jan6.005505.28065@nosc.mil> barrus@cod.nosc.mil writes:
>>
>Cruise knew that Nicholson thought he was correct on this and
>shouldn't have to hide from the truth.  This is why Cruise struggled
>to decide whether it would be worth risking his career to try to
>make him admit it on the stand.  Nicholson only wouldn't admit it

Something I don't understand - why was Cruise risking his career?

I thought lawyers were only allowed to ask questions of witnesses - so
if he asked Nicholson if he had fabricated evidence or ordered a Code
Red, surely Nicholson only had to say "No"?

That's not the same as accusing someone.

-- 
    Thomas Beagle | thomas@datamark.co.nz           Work: 64 4 233 8186
Datamark Intl Ltd | thomas@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz     Home: 64 4 499 3832
 Technical Writer | Yes, I do have long ears, a black nose, and a tail.
From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: PEEVES at MOVIE THEATERS !
Date: 12 Jan 93 23:22:19 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church) writes:

}In article <1993Jan7.183616.4623@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mgrimes@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael Grimes) writes:
}>I thought of this topic when I was browsing through alt.peeves.
}>
}>What are some of the things that drive you nuts when you go to see a movie at a
}>theater?
}>
}>1: People who have to talk constantly, especially if they have to narrate the
}>whole damn film to their stupid companions!

}In all seriousness. If you were on a jury and someone was being tried for
}brutally murduring one of the big mouth jerks wouldn't you vote aquittal?

Not only that, but I'd vote him a sizable reward for the service done for
humanity.

--James Preston
From: barb@ufycorp.Unify.Com (Barbara Kane)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Quiz question
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:23:31 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

In article <726149174.26676@minster.york.ac.uk> sjbuckle@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>
>   2. What does Audrey Hepburn call her cat in "Breakfast at Tiffany's" ?

       Her cat's name was Cat.


Barbara Kane                                             Unify Corporation