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From: poirot@aio.jsc.nasa.gov (Daniel T. Poirot)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: How will man pages be stored under GNU?
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:21:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: aio.1992Apr15.182147.14146
Distribution: gnu
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center

In article <199204151459.AA26338@trantor.uvm.edu> wollman@trantor.uvm.edu (Garrett Wollman) writes:
>In article <MIB.92Apr15092642@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu>, Michael I. Bushnell writes:
>>The GNU manuals will be in texinfo format, with a
>>conversion/installation program for adding tmac.an format manuals.
>
>Which, I suspect, very few people will use.  I think it's time for the
>GNU project to face up to the fact that Info and the UNIX Manual are
>two very different birds indeed, and it makes no sense to pretend
>otherwise.

	(stuff deleted)

How about people who want access to the GNU texinfo-style manuals, but
don't want to have to learn how to use EMACS or TeX to get a printout.

I would like to see each of the GNU utilities that has a texinfo manual
also include a .dvi file or a PostScript file so we can at least have a
shot at getting a hard copy.

I have TeX and LaTeX working and even attempted building TeXinfo, but
getting a working TeX system is not for the casual user.
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From: wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: spline for gnuplot
Date: 11 Apr 92 10:48:11 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

S_STOEHR@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Stoehr Stefan) writes:
>3 -      is there a spline function for the "data-plot" mode ????

As far as I could find when I tried, no.  However, you can get a similar
effect by using another command to compute a dense set of points between
your original points and output these to a file, then use gnuplot to
plot those points with lines between them.

The command I used was called, oddly enough, spline, and was available
on the SunOS machine I used.  I did find an implementation of it in
source form on some ftp-site, but no longer have the name of the site. 
Archie might have it.

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From: fox@cs.nyu.edu (David Fox)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Wall street speaks out on Look and Feel Lawsuits
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:25:54 GMT
Distribution: gnu
Organization: Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences

On Tuesday Judge Walker dismissed almost all of Apple's
"Look and Feel" lawsuit against Microsoft and HP.  On
Wednesday the stock market expressed its opinion on what
this means for the future of the computer industry:

		Change		Close
		------		-----
Microsoft:	+$11.875	$128.875
HP:		+$ 2.50		$ 82.375
Apple:		+$ 1.75		$ 60.50
From: wierda@ltb.ltb.bso.nl (Gerben Wierda)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Money and free programs...
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:33:28 GMT
Organization: BSO/LT, Baarn, The Netherlands

I am working on a program that I want to distribute under the GNU license. But
I would like to put in a statement a la:

	"if you like this program and you would like to pay a small amount for
it to show that, please do so"

In fact, a begging statement. not unlike shareware, but this program will be
distributed in source and if people would send money, they would do that
because they are kind and not because they get something for it.

I'd like to ditribute with the GNU license, but I also like the idea that my
efforts would possibly be rewarded financially.

????
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Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Gnu shirts and stickers?
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 00:14:24 GMT

In article <ST11W.92Apr7094957@menudo.uh.edu> st11w@menudo.uh.edu (Dennis Gray Jr.) writes:

>Does anyone have an address (internet or otherwise) for someone who
>can sell a Gnu T-shirt?  I would like to get the one with the NO
>circle over "UNIX", but also I'd like to know what else is availible.

Has GNU really produced such a t-shirt?  I see this sort of sentiment
mainly from anti-Unix-niks (Macintosh and Amiga fans and the like), so
it seems a somewhat strange product from a group producing a Unix
workalike ...

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 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  heptagons?" - Damian Cugley, on soc.bi
From: sboyle@maths.tcd.ie (Simon Boyle)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Gnu shirts and stickers?
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:14:47 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Organisation: Trinity College Dublin, League for Programming Freedom, and Church of the SubGenius. Three for starters.

In <ST11W.92Apr7094957@menudo.uh.edu> st11w@menudo.uh.edu (Dennis Gray Jr.) writes:

>...while we're on the subject, does the EFF have t-shirts?

Here's something I picked up from comp.org.eff.talk a while back...

~From: rita@eff.org (Rita Marie Rouvalis)
~Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
~Subject: EFF T-shirts
~Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.news,comp.org.eff.talk
~Keywords: special offer, tshirts, small donation


            ELECTRONIC FRONTIER FOUNDATION OFFERS T-SHIRTS


   For a $10 donation, EFF will send you a spiffy 100% cotton white t-shirt
with the new black and red EFF logo tastefully displayed on front, and
the following on back:

                  ELECTRONIC FRONTIER FOUNDATION
                           eff@eff.org

			(50's style graphic with
                         large building sitting on world)

		  Serving Cyberspace since 1990
		 

   These are the very same t-shirts that sold quickly at CFP-2!
They come in sizes XL and child's S only. Send your $10 check or
money order to

The Electronic Frontier Foundation
ATT:  Rita/ T-Shirts
155 Second Street
Cambridge MA  02141

*** Mention that you saw this posting and we will waive the shipping
    and handling fees!!!



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Electronic Frontier Foundation   | We make out of the quarrel with others,
155 Second Street                | rhetoric, but of the quarrel with 
Cambridge, MA 02141 617-864-0665 | ourselves, poetry.  -- W.B. Yeats


>-dennis
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From: alexk@otc.otca.oz.au (Alex Kowalenko)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: January Gnusletter???
Date: 6 Apr 92 09:49:39 GMT
Reply-To: alexk@otc.otca.oz.au (Alex Kowalenko)
Organization: R&D, OTC Sydney, Australia

I managed to get one "unoffical" released newsletter, though someone said should wait for the offical one.

.
.

.
.


Well those 1880 census results should be here any day now! :-)
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From: kak@polle.jyu.fi (Kari Kivel{)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Groff_me Reference manual
Date: 14 Apr 92 06:11:14 GMT
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland

Does anyone here know where I can find groff_me manual:

	-me Reference Manual, Eric P. Allman
	Writing Papers with Groff Using -me.

Kari Kivela
kak@polle.jyu.fi
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: mcgrant@isl.stanford.edu (Michael C. Grant)
Subject: Patents on interior-point methods
Organization: Information Systems Laboratory, Stanford University
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:26:30

We're developing some software here at Stanford which utilizes interior-
point methods for optimization. Karmarkar's famous LP algorithm is an
example of such methods, but it is not the one we use.

...however, I have heard that AT&T has a patent whose scope extends
over all interior-point methods; on the other hand, I know at least
some countries who specifically disallow patents on 'algorithms', such
as France. So I may not be correct on that. I do know that, after the
initial fervor over Karmarkar's algorithm in the press, AT&T quickly
squelched when the realized what a money-making tool was being given away
to/by the academic community!

Can anyone shed some light on this issue? It certainly would affect the
distribution of our work if AT&T breathes down our necks. It certainly
has enough new, original work that maybe we could escape from under the
patent, but a bunch of grad students/professors can't afford to go up
against a giant.

(Yes, I'm going today to the library to check out the patent).

(I posted to gnu.misc.discuss because of the League for Programming Freedom
announcements that occaisonally show up---so I thought this might coincide).

Thanks a lot,
Michael C. Grant
From: anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Gnu shirts and stickers?
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:17:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwm.1992Apr16.221746.18912
Distribution: gnu
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee

In article <9204160132.AA03004@pop-tarts> tower@prep.ai.mit.edu writes:

>PS: By the way, what do you think of look-and-feel lawsuits? 

How about a Look-and-Feel t-shirt?  It could have palmprints
and transparent windows in various places on it.
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From: uddeborg@sisu.se (G|ran Uddeborg)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU Make archive/chaining question
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:24:53 GMT
Organization: Swedish Institute of Systems Development

In article <s3tty4l@rpi.edu> loyr@deneb.cs.rpi.edu (Raymond Loy) writes:
>cc    -c file.c -o file.o
>ar rv libfoo.a file.o
>a - file.o
>ar: creating libfoo.a
>ranlib libfoo.a
>rm  file.o                         # Everything ok so far
>>make
>ar rv libfoo.a file.o              # Why does it do this????
>ar: cannot open file.o

What version of GNU make are you using?  I think I remember having
some problem similar to this, but it was fixed in some new version of
make.  I tried it here, and the second make says

	make: `libfoo.a' is up to date.

as expected.  This was with GNU make 3.62.
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: noye@bcrka378.bnr.ca (Janet Noye)
Subject: How do I start with gnu?
Reply-To: noye@bcrka378.bnr.ca (Janet Noye)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:48:31 GMT

Hi!  I am very new to the gnu software.  I was wondering if there was a FAQ 
available which answers some of the very basic questions like where do I get 
gnu software and which are the most up-to-date versions.

In case there is no FAQ, I am trying to compile gcc-2.1 on an Apollo and a 
RS6000.  I was wondering which versions of binutils and gas are the best to
use for this and which ftp server are they on?  Any help in getting me pointed
in the correct direction would be appreciated.

Thank you, 
Janet

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Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: jsteele@netcom.com (John Steele)
Subject: Re: GNU Lint?
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 22:28:45 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In <ABRAHAM.92Apr5123726@loke.iesd.auc.dk> abraham@iesd.auc.dk (Per Abrahamsen) writes:


>>>>>> On 3 Apr 92 19:43:38 GMT, jsteele@netcom.com (John Steele) said:

>In <1992Apr3.182448.1894@cc.gatech.edu> arnold@cc.gatech.edu (Arnold
>Robbins) writes:

>>GCC does most of what lint does.  At least one exception is
>>cross-file checking.  GCC won't catch a function declared one way in
>>one file and defined another way in another file.

>John> Which is basically what lint was designed for, no?  There are
>John> many decent ANSI compilers with good error-checking, but NONE of
>John> them can replace lint because of this simple fact...

>See the "-Wmissing-prototypes" option.  Cross-file checking of
>function declarations is no longer necessary.

This is true, but lint can do much more than just cross-file checking of
function declarations.  Besides, I work with large amounts of 'others' code,
which isn't always ANSI.  Unless you want to spend a significant amount of
time creating prototypes (automated or not), lint still has it's use.

Using Gimples' PC-Lint under MS-DOS systems (as well as others) has its 
uses in porting code to this platform also.  Having the ability to tell it
that on a given machine that unsigned chars are the default, and that shorts
and ints are the same size can save quite a bit of time porting *nix code.

Speed is also a big concern for me, and lint does its checking *MUCH* faster
than GCC, and doesn't require a FPU either.

GCC is a great compiler, but I still find quite a few uses for lint :)

John
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From: tpc@bnr.ca (Thomas P. Chmara)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: gnumake:  any control over parallelism?
Keywords: archive
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:16:09 GMT
Reply-To: tpc@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

I tried the "-j" option on gnumake 3.62, and was quite excited to watch
parallel compilation helping recover the real-time that NFS was costing me.
I'm building directly into libraries, and there's the rub:

All the compilations were done first, and the archive operations saved until
later (from this fact, I though things were going to Work Right).
Unfortunately, all archive operations *to the same archive* were parallelized
as well; this is *Not Good*:  the archives (HP-UX 8.0) were corrupted as a
result.  I build to about 7 different archive files; parallelizing *between*
files would be alright, but parallelizing *to* them is verboten.

a) Is this just a characteristic of the "-j" (I admit, getting it to work
would be non-trivial), or 
b) is it a bug, or
c) is there something I could be doing to cause this to Work Right?

Thanks...
	---tpc---

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From: ajayshah@alhena.usc.edu (Ajay Shah)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Installing GNU tools on non-Sun/BSD platforms
Date: 8 Apr 1992 00:39:23 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: alhena.usc.edu
Keywords: GNU, RCS, platforms

calyx.corp@mixcom.mixcom.com (calyx.corp) writes:

>Our company would like to use many GNU tools, but the installation process
>for many of them is taking so long, that in some cases we could have
>actually saved money by buying commercial tools that are easier to install.

Considering how great the payoff to you is, it might be well worth
installing one Sun or BSD system where you would simply open up things
and try 'em out.  Such a computer is $5k or so and it can always be
useful as a NFS server all the time.  How much is the GNU software
worth to you?

SunOS and BSD are close to the "dominant" Unix flavour around, and
they certainly make your life easier on getting all net software (not
just GNU).

        -ans.
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From: Andrew.Hilborne@newcastle.ac.uk (Andrew Hilborne)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: How will man pages be stored under GNU?
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:48:43 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

In <1992Apr15.182147.14146@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>
	poirot@aio.jsc.nasa.gov (Daniel T. Poirot) writes:
>	(stuff deleted)

>How about people who want access to the GNU texinfo-style manuals, but
>don't want to have to learn how to use EMACS or TeX to get a printout.

>I would like to see each of the GNU utilities that has a texinfo manual
>also include a .dvi file or a PostScript file so we can at least have a
>shot at getting a hard copy.

>I have TeX and LaTeX working and even attempted building TeXinfo, but
>getting a working TeX system is not for the casual user.

Hear! hear!  I am one of many people at my site who use and love
GNU utilities every day, but we are all mystified by the intricacies
of printing/viewing the documentation.  Latex isn't available on all the
platforms that GNU is, and we often have to run it twice, ...  what *is*
going on? ... we ask ourselves.

At one time texi2roff was quite adequate.  Could it be updated, and even
maintained?

--
Andrew Hilborne
From: jym@sybase.com (Jym Dyer)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Just curious.: "The Barbi Twins (TM) are the GNU Emacs of women."
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:41:32 GMT
Distribution: gnu
Organization: The Naughty Peahen Party Line
In-reply-to: ishikawa@ds5200.'s message of 9 Apr 92 10:07:32 GMT

> I hear that they have Japanized the Barbi dolls by making
> it slender or something.

=o= Barbie is already impossibly slender!  What did they do,
remove all her internal organs??? :-)
    <_Jym_>
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Subject: Re: Wall street speaks out on Look and Feel Lawsuits
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia
Distribution: gnu
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 02:42:08 GMT

In article <sld56INNaqo@agate.berkeley.edu> jbuck@forney.berkeley.edu (Joe Buck) writes:

>One of Apple's more minor claims against HP in the suit is that they
>copied the idea of a trashcan icon (you click on the trashcan to delete
>things) from Apple.  This was a very minor point in the original suit,
>but the judge did not dismiss it.

I should note that this isn't the first time trashcans have made it to
court -- this was part of the Apple suit against DRI many eons ago
regarding GEM. The suit was settled out of court and part of the
agreement was that future versions of GEM used a dumpster icon instead
of a trashcan. DRI's trashcan, by the way, was not that visually
similar to Apple's trashcan.

At least the current suit is against a company with sufficient
resources to defend itself, unlike DRI in those days (These days
they've been bought out by Novell, but GEM is fairly dead...)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: dodd@csl.sri.com (Chris Dodd)
Subject: What is Objective-C?
Organization: Computer Science Lab, SRI International
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 00:17:00 GMT

Anybody know what Objective-C is, other than `A C extension used by NeXT'?
Pointers to literature would be appreciated.

Chris Dodd
dodd@csl.sri.com
From: jbuck@forney.berkeley.edu (Joe Buck)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Wall street speaks out on Look and Feel Lawsuits
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:28:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.sld56INNaqo
Distribution: gnu
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: forney.berkeley.edu

In article <RJC.92Apr16233925@brodie.cstr.ed.ac.uk> rjc@cstr.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley) writes:
>In article <sklmsINN78e@agate.berkeley.edu>, Joe Buck (jb) writes:
>
>jb> Unfortunately, one of the things he left on the table was the "trashcan
>jb> icon".
>
>The concept of _a_ trashcan icon, or just the picture that Apple use?

One of Apple's more minor claims against HP in the suit is that they
copied the idea of a trashcan icon (you click on the trashcan to delete
things) from Apple.  This was a very minor point in the original suit,
but the judge did not dismiss it.

I don't know the judge's thinking process on this: if HP had used a very
different-looking trashcan, would it be OK?  Or is the very notion of the
interface protected?  That's the heart of the whole look-and-feel thing;
if any of the concept survives, we still have problems.  If the issue is
that HP copied Apple's picture, this would be an old-fashioned copyright
violation having nothing to do with look and feel.  We could live with
such a decision: you could copy an interface but not the detailed graphics
associated with that interface.






--
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From: rjc@cstr.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Wall street speaks out on Look and Feel Lawsuits
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:39:25 GMT
	<sklmsINN78e@agate.berkeley.edu>
Distribution: gnu
Organization: Centre for Speech Technology Research

In article <sklmsINN78e@agate.berkeley.edu>, Joe Buck (jb) writes:

jb> Unfortunately, one of the things he left on the table was the "trashcan
jb> icon".

The concept of _a_ trashcan icon, or just the picture that Apple use?

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			legal decision to be clear enough to tell...
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: mib@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Michael I Bushnell)
Subject: Re: How complete is gnu? What hardware?
Organization: Free Software Foundation, Cambridge, MA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:00:41 GMT

In article <pgf.703132146@srl01.cacs.usl.edu> pgf@usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) writes:

   I have heard for a while about the GNU project, and I was wondering:
   how close is GNU to providing a complete operating system?

Time-wise?  No comment.

   And besides the standard operating system, and emacs (which I use
   religiously) where could I find a comprehensive list of software
   (with say an 80 char description) "published" under the GNU aegis,
   including emacs add-ons like calc?

The Gnus bulletin.  The electronic version is available from
prep.ai.mit.edu, and other places, and the printed version is
available from 

The Free Software Foundation
657 Massachusetts Ave.
Cambridge, MA  02139

[You can also call them at (617) 876-3296, and they will send one out
right away.]

   Finally, what hardware will GNU run on?

Various pieces of GNU run on various kinds of systems.  Emacs is one
of the most widely ported programs in the world.  The complete system
will run on anything for which there is a free port of Mach 3.0.
Right now, that includes the 386 PC and the DEC PMAX (mips).


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