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From: scott@bell.b17a.ingr.com (Scott Bell)
Subject: Re: Japan outplayed USA ? *NOT NOT NOT *
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:27:43 GMT

In article <Bs40B0.K6@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, MULLEN@scorpion.ag.uiuc.edu (Evil Twin) writes: 
|> Does not compute.  In a match Team A plays great fundamental ball.  Team A gets
|> a lot of digs and blocks.  Team B wins.  Now if Team A did so well, but Team B
|> wins, doesn't that mean that Team B must have outplayed Team A?
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

        Not necessarily. In games that were as close as Japan vs. USA game #5,
        a couple of calls made for you instead of against you can be the
        deciding factor.  Team A( Japan ) can play excellent fundamental
        vb, but if they can't convert or get a couple of calls against them,
        Team B( USofA ) can take it.

        Then again, there is always luck... ;)
|> 
|> Tony -
|> --
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 Get With It USA!
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From: Eric.J.Baumgartner@dartmouth.edu (Eric J. Baumgartner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Under the Net & Out of Bounds
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:42:02 GMT
 <1992Jul19.152853.24623@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu> 
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 <1992Jul22.153340.8169@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>  
 <GEOFF.92Jul22130637@wodehouse.flash.bl
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <GEOFF.92Jul22130637@wodehouse.flash.bellcore.com>
geoff@flash.bellcore.com (Geoffrey Clemm) writes:

>Funny, we used to take pride in accurately passed spike returns, ace serves,
>and such like.  To each their own (:-).

That all gets boring after a while. Kamikaze defense is MUCH more
exciting. Play the ball first, worry about landing later...

Eric Baumgartner                   *  ebaum@dartmouth.edu
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From: Eric.J.Baumgartner@dartmouth.edu (Eric J. Baumgartner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Under the Net & Out of Bounds
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:47:53 GMT
 <1992Jul19.152853.24623@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu> 
 <4977@transfer.stratus.com> <1992Jul21.121111.8668@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu> 
 <1992Jul22.153340.8169@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>  
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Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <GEOFF.92Jul22130637@wodehouse.flash.bellcore.com>
geoff@flash.bellcore.com (Geoffrey Clemm) writes:

>    On the other hand, I have played USVBA tournaments where they
>    explicitly said "going into the adjacent court at any time is a fault".
> 
> This has nothing to do with playable areas, this is just Rule 9, Article 6:
> "Contacting the opponent's playing area with any part of the body except
> the feet is a fault.  Touching the opponent's playing area with a foot
> is not a fault providing that some part of the encroaching foot or feet
> remain on or above the center line."

No, I said adjacent court, as in "the next court over" or "the other
pool". Not the court of the opposing team. I hate this rule because it
usually applies even if there is no match being played in the other
court, and really limits a good defensive team's ability to chase down
balls.

Of course, then there's playing in YMCA gyms that are so small they say
"first row of bricks up the wall is in" and let you serve from 6 feet
within the court. Or where the the curtain separating two courts is so
close that anyone with an outside approach slips or gets tangled. Might
as well be wallyball...

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From: kaabrown@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (K. A. Brown)
Subject: Endicott/setter
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 15:16:31 GMT


I heard on the TV last night that the starting setter was ill.
I don't get the triplecast so I don't know if she started or not, but
she didn't look like she was feeling too well from the clips I saw.

What did you all think about the game.  The digging by the
Japanese was phenomenal.  Their blocking has really improved
since the last time I saw them play. 

I was impressed with the hitting  and setting of the USA,
but what happened to the defense?

There were some terrific rallies weren't there.

I wish I had a VCR.

GO USA!
From: robp@landru.network.com (Rob Peglar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: bouncing the ball/time before serve
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:54:17 GMT
Reply-To: robp@landru.network.com
Organization: Network Systems Corporation

The current FIVB/USVBA reserve rule(s) are a little complex.

Here are the guidelines.
1.  Each player (including substitutes) are allowed one reserve
without sanction per game.  A 'reserve' is a single service attempt
that has been terminated by the referee and awarded a replay; usually
occurs when the server tosses the ball in an effort to contact it
and chooses to let the tossed ball become dead (e.g. hit the floor)
before legally contacting it.

2.  In the same term of service, if a reserve has been allowed, that
player cannot allow the tossed ball to (again) become dead.  Sanction-
side out, illegal service.  (No card)

3.  In a subsequent term of service, if a reserve has (already) been
allowed that player (in any prior term of service), and the player
(again) allows a tossed ball to become dead, the sanction is an
individual yellow card (IYC) - warning.  

4.  Any subsequent allowance of a tossed ball becoming dead (in the
same term of service as #3 above or any subsequent term), the sanction
is an individual red card (IRC) - point or sideout.  

5.  (as you may have guessed)  If the player repeats #4 (again), the
sanction is an expulsion.  That takes care of that player for that game.

Whew.

So, in synopsis;

1.  First term of service; ball tossed and dropped (BTOD) - reserve.
    Replay signal, scorer notates, new beckon, new 5 seconds.

2.  Same term of service; BTOD - side out (no card).

3.  Next term of service; BTOD - yellow card.

4.  Any term of service; BTOD - red card.

5.  Any term of service; BTOD - outta here.

Number 2 is tricky, because it only applies to the first term of service
that a reserve occurs on.  Very frequently, you will see #1 followed
by #3, because the server didn't do 2 BTOD's in the first term of
service.


Is that enough?

Later,

Rob

Rob Peglar
USVBA National Referee
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From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Japan outplayed USA ? *NOT NOT NOT *
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:29:02 GMT

In article K6@news.cso.uiuc.edu, MULLEN@scorpion.ag.uiuc.edu (Evil Twin) writes:
>In <1992Jul28.155641.610@ee.gatech.edu> wung@eecom.gatech.edu writes:
>
>> In article Kos@news.cso.uiuc.edu, MULLEN@scorpion.ag.uiuc.edu (Evil Twin) writes:
>> >As to the statement of Japan outplaying USA.  If the protest wasn't upheld
>> >who would have won the match?
>> >
>        [...sigstuff...]]
>> 
>> Wait a second, the Japanes team got shellacked by the USA team this past
>> year.  They were 0-2 in matches against the US, 0-6 in games.  In terms of
>> overall ability, the US is far superior than the Japanes, but they just plain
>> outhustled the US team.  They got a bunch of digs and blocks and were able to
>> play great fundamental ball, i.e. passing, hitting etc.  So yes, the Japanese
>> outplayed the Americans, but the American talent was good enough to win even
>> though they played like shit.
>> 
>        [...sigstuff...]
>
>Does not compute.  In a match Team A plays great fundamental ball.  Team A gets
>a lot of digs and blocks.  Team B wins.  Now if Team A did so well, but Team B
>wins, doesn't that mean that Team B must have outplayed Team A?
>
>Tony -
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>
>Evil Twin -                                                       one_spike
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Not if you take into account the talents present on both teams.  The bottom
line is, the US should have trounced the Japanese on paper and didn't.  The Japanese 
overachieved and the US underachieved, particularly when it comes to the basics of the game.  So I would say the Japanese outplayed the Americans because the match should not
have been close at all.

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From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Lori Endicott
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 04:38:45 GMT

In article 29089@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu, umlehner@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mike Lehnertz) writes:
>
>   What? Lori Endicott wasn't setting for the US team? Are you sure?
>There must be something wrong with her. She is probably one of the best
>setters in the world. Not the best blocker, but hey, she's only 5'9"
>tall. Or should I say short? Anyway, how can they bench her? The nerve
>of that coach to bench the cutest woman on the team. Is she married?
>What about Daiva Tomkus? She's a cutey too! Zowie!	
>
>   30 minutes til the start of the Women's game.
>
>
>                                             - Drummer -


Sounds to me like you need to subscribe to the Plyboy channel or some such cable
entertainment channels more than you need to subscribe to the triplecast. 8-)

Apparently Liskevych like the way Setterlund sets, and he may also be playing
psychological games with Setterlund and the Japanese.  You know, home girl
playing for the big bad americans.  Or, Endicott may have had problems blocking,
but I thought she was one of the best blocking setters around.  Oh well, I've
given up figuring out Liskevych, I leave that to the pros.

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From: pyle@intellistor.com (Norm Pyle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: USA v. Japan comments
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:48:48 GMT
Organization: Intellistor, Longmont, CO

In article <Bs2t0y.L9@cs.columbia.edu> swfc@cs.columbia.edu (Shu-Wie F Chen) writes:
>
>USA didn't lose because of the officiating.  They lost because Japan
>outplayed them.  
>
I agree they didn't lose because of officiating.  But they didn't get
outplayed by Japan, either.  They won the match, remember?  They played
poorly, but well enough to beat Japan.  They lost because of Samuelson's big
mouth.  Of course, someone will make the point that they shouldn't have been
at match point in the first place.  Karch, its not too late!

Norm
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: VolleyBALD...
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:45:43 GMT

Time to change the name of the newsgroups to rec.sport.volleybald.

Gerald
From: dchan@cisco.com (Derek Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Volleyball in East Bay?
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:37:32 GMT
Organization: cisco Systems, Incorporated
X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message are those of an
	      individual at SRI International, and do not necessarily
	      reflect those of the company.

Does anyone know of any drop-in volleyball night  in the east bay area?
(Hayward/Fremont/Union City)


Derek
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From: ethchen@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Edwin T. Chen)
Subject: USA vs Spain Results???
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 07:19:08 GMT


Anyone know the results of the match with Spain last night?  Only
caught four games of it.  Thanks!

Ed
From: robp@landru.network.com (Rob Peglar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: bouncing the ball/time before serve
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:34:13 GMT
Reply-To: robp@landru.network.com
Organization: Network Systems Corporation

In article 15770001@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com, tomp@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Tom Parker) writes:
>In rec.sport.volleyball, robp@landru.network.com (Rob Peglar) writes:
>
>>The current FIVB/USVBA reserve rule(s) are a little complex.
>
>They sure are.  What are they trying to protect against?
>
>tom parker


It all started during the early 1980's, when the Brazilians (and others)
started using the jump serve in competition.  

Remember, before the current FIVB rules, one was allowed as many reserves
as desired.  The 1st referee had the power to rule a delay by doing
this, but this was never enforced.  The jump serve's most difficult aspect
is the toss.  Even international-level players often had to take a reserve
during _every_ service attempt, _every_ term of service.  This had a
measureable impact on match duration.  The FIVB is _very_ concerned about
match duration, both its absolute duration and its variability, because
(mostly) of television.

So, after the 1988 Seoul games, the FIVB decided to do something.  After
changing the penalty for intentional delay from a timeout to a team yellow
card (sanction), they (FIVB) determined this rather arcane method to
track reserves, putting the onus upon the players rather than penalize
the team.  It also gives the 1st referee a predetermined sequence of
events (and sanctions), making it cut-and-dried (although complex) and
eliminating almost all judgement.  Now, the reserve is just an observation
play rather than a judgement play.  

From a practical standpoint, I have never myself issued, nor have seen
issued, a red card for reserving the ball.  In fact, I've never gotten
beyond step 1 (normal replay) for any one player in any one game.  The
players are just told, "don't reserve more than once" and they don't.  It's
really easy from the player's standpoint.


So, that's the history.  

Rob Peglar
USVBA National Referee


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From: templin@grayling.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Fred Templin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Volleyball in Boston area
Date: 23 Jul 1992 17:23:39 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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In article <l6tnpbINN35@aludra.usc.edu>, melson@usc.edu (Mike Melson) writes:
|> 
|> Hi -
|> 
|> I'd like to know if anyone can tell me how much volleyball one can
|> expect to find in the Boston area (Burlington actually). I'm
|> considering taking a job out there (but only if I can find enough
|> volleyball - a person's got to have their priorities, right? :)
|>

Mike, having lived in the Southern NH area for several years, I can
assure you that you've got nothing to worry about. There's PLENTY of
competitive six-man indoor play during the fall/winter/spring, and
you can normally take your pick of 2-4 sand/grass doubles tournaments
per weekend (within reasonable driving distance) in the summer. Also,
as you get to know people in the area, you'll start learning
where the good after-work leagues and open gym play is held. A
good starting place would be to contact Yankee Volleyball, which is
the subsidiary of USVBA which runs the tournaments in the greater
Boston (New England) area. Does anyone have the Yankee phone #?

Fred 

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From: schneid@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Schneider)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: my feet are killing me!
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:47:30 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Lately I've been playing volleyball 3-4 times a weeks, and my feet are
killing me.  I'm intending to buy new shoes in about a month, but I'm
wondering if anyone has had any luck with some sort of foam (or other
type) inserts.
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From: tomoo@hpmctt.mcm.hp.com (Tomoo Taguchi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Japan vs. USA (spoiler, ruling)
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:22:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: HP Cardiology Business Unit - McMinnville, OR

scott@bell.b17a.ingr.com (Scott Bell) writes:
>
>       Where do the individual pools now stand? Is the US completely out,
>       or were these prelim games?
> Get Vertical!
> Scott

No, the Japan game was the first for the US.  They still play Canada,
Spain, France, and Italy.  Hope they can get their act together.  Anyone
hear an update on Ivie's condition?  It's rather ironic that Ivie's
replacement, Samuelson, was the deciding factor in the match.  Aside
from his two yellow cards, I thought he played a good game with some
great kills and digs.

Tomoo
Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 11:32:52 -0400 
From: "Zafrir E. Gan" <zg03+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: USA vs Japan
	<1992Jul27.133047.13637@Princeton.EDU>

> Nippon 13, USA 13: Japan wins a point on their own serve. This puts
> the score at 14-13 for Japan. Bob Samuelson apparently receives his
> ___2nd___ yellow card of the game! This should mean a point for 
> Japan.....and the match!!!!! But the head ref thinks this is his
> first yellow despite the down ref 
> arguing that it's the 2nd. Play on.

I kinda thought that the ref just wanted the game to continue instead of
ending it on a silly technicality that attempts to suppress emotions on
the court.  Unfortunately,  he did give a second warning which
technically means that the match should have been over so I think he
just dismissed the whole situation (extremely brave).

> USA 15, Nippon 14. A 10 is set to Timmons on the right side. He
> drives it home for the kill, but the down ref calls it a back row
> attack! Sideout. Replay shows that Timmons is clearly behind the line.
> Game should go to USA.

Was that the real score when that happened?  Anyway, the ref called what
he thought he saw, and that can't be protested or replayed.

> 16-all. Japan serves. During play, one of the Japanese is in the net
> and the down ref calls it. He does so apparently by blowing his
> whistle, walking to the right side of the net (the USA side)...

I didn't really hear any whistles.  It looked like someone on the US
side may have lifted the ball in the attempt to play it.  Apparently the
Japanese players thought that a late call was made on that (a late call
was previously made in the match).  the ref  called a replay, maybe
again wishing the game to be played out on the court rather than a rule
book.
I don't know what happened with the down ref, but since the 1st ref was
ignoring him for most of the time, who cares?

Does anybody recognize the 1st ref?  Is he Italian?  Did he ref a US vs
USSR match last year where both coaches claimed he was incompetent? I
don't know, but I kinda like his style of shoving technicalities aside.

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From: jim@ljkiraly.lerc.nasa.gov (L J "Jim" Kiraly)
Subject: Re: USA v. Japan comments
Organization: NASA/LeRC
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:16:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.134848.21825@intellistor.com> pyle@intellistor.com (Norm  
Pyle) writes:
>In article <Bs2t0y.L9@cs.columbia.edu> swfc@cs.columbia.edu (Shu-Wie F Chen)  
writes:
>>
>>USA didn't lose because of the officiating.  They lost because Japan
>>outplayed them.  
>>
>I agree they didn't lose because of officiating.  But they didn't get
>outplayed by Japan, either.  They won the match, remember?  They played
>poorly, but well enough to beat Japan.  They lost because of Samuelson's big
>mouth.  Of course, someone will make the point that they shouldn't have been
>at match point in the first place.  Karch, its not too late!

Weeeelll, I really thought that the down referee was a total ass and was making  
calls that were border line vindictive.  The head ref (who was dismissed from  
further events) was at fault for not controlling the down ref- but I really  
have to lay a lot of blame on the down ref.  If I were prone to speculation, I  
might speculate that he was hoping to help his pool B team by keeping better  
Pool A teams from making the quarterfinals. Touches that were and were not  
called preferentially, balls that were in called out, and Timmons "over the  
line" when he wasn't.   

I saw the match live (yes I actually ordered the TRIPLECAST), and the TV  
coverage wasn't good- but it was good enough for single frame playback to catch  
a lot of really outrageous calls.  In one case Nagagaichi went in to the lower  
portion of the net after spiking (and while the ball was still in play) right  
in front of the down ref- who was very upset when Samuelson pointed out that it  
wasn't his block but the Japanese who were in the net.  After this happens  
repeatedly, you tend to get emotional and 

Yes, of course, the Japanese played very well and the US could have certainly  
played a lot better- but it is really tough to overcome a referee giving your  
opponents 2 or 3 points a game.
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