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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Is FontGDOS widely available yet?
From: Steven.Wells@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 20:50:37 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Keywords: Font,GDOS

In article <1992Sep7.123959.7379@ac.dal.ca> cordes@ac.dal.ca writes:
> 
>  Has the issue of the public availability of the FontGDOS released by Atari 
> to GENie been resolved? In particular, I'm wondering if anyone got 
> 'official' clearance from Atari to post the complete package, including the 
> required new printer drivers, to BBS's, etc.
> 
> John Cordes

I'd like to get a copy of FONT-GDOS myself, but not having access to
GEnIe (Or CIS, or DELPHI etc.) I can't get a copy!

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: Steven.Wells@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: ZOO problems (was PERFPICH.TOS v1.1 posted to a.a)
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 03:58:58 GMT


When comparing .ZOO, take into mind that the MAJORITY of users will be
using GEM, and not UNIX.  Using ZOO v2.1 from UN*X will let you
re-direct.  From versions of GEM prior to 2.05, this is not possible
with ZOO 2.1.  TOS 2.5 and above allow for output re-direction to
whatever window is currently selected, which means, you can make
programs automatically put files where YOU want them.  (Teradesk, and
I imagine some other replacement desktops also have this feature!)

.ZOO is a LOT slower than LHarc, (in 'high compression' mode) -  and
fails to get as good compression.  (The difference is so small it
hardly matters) but speed is a real problem!  

If ZOO had a redirection (which it thinks it does, but doesn't work on
GEM versions<2.05).  e.g.

ZOO.TTP  extract C:\ZOOFILE.ZOO F:\TEMP\


[Extract command | .ZOO filename | output path/filename(s))

LHarc has this, and will also create an output directory for you if
none by the specified name exists (with a prompt if so desired).


Personally, I'd rather use LZH, as I really hate waiting for things to
compress.  Uploading is a favour in most circumstances.  Why trouble
yourself with waiting longer, on top of the uploading time!?  And
then, if you can re-direct, copying files around!


On a certain BBS over here, I've uploaded over a hundred more files
than I need to be able to download anything (And, I've got unlimited
ratio anyway!)
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From: only_bbs!arthur_dent@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: (none)
Date: 11 Sep 92 01:57:00 GMT
Organization: Ouch! That Hurt!
X-mailer: Stadel 3.4a-227
X-Spam-content: irrelevant

Actually, it 
depends on your definition of accuracy.  If you use a sampling frequency 
twice that of the sine wave's frequency, it would end up as a triangle wave. 
 At three times the frequency, you would get a square wave.  Therefore, to 
retain the shape of the sine wave, you would need a frequency of at least 5 
times that of the sound itself.
From: timg@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Tim Gallivan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: GemGS 1.2 available.
Keywords: ghostscript, postscript
Date: 7 Sep 92 00:30:00 GMT
Organization: University of Texas Center for Relativity

GemGS 1.2 (a GEM shell for Ghostscript) is available on
lifshitz.ph.utexas.edu in pub/ghostscript/gemgs12.zoo. A couple of bugs
have been fixed, and it is now possible to install gemGS as an
application to display postscript files by simply double-clicking on
them. Of course, you must have Ghostscript also.

-Tim Gallivan
timg@landau.ph.utexas.edu
From: ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon Graphics
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:25:48 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

In article <5pyyc3q@rpi.edu> oyakea@vccsouth04.its.rpi.edu (Amalaye Oyake) writes:
>from Rensselaer Poly NY. Please  also send info on all ST ftp addresses and somexplanation on WHAT HAPPENED TO THE PARSEC GRAPHIC INTERFACE.

Lexicor's going to be selling one at the Glendale show.  I can't remember if
it's new/used/developer model or what though.


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   |||    Ed Krimen
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  / | \   E.KRIMEN (GEnie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: aeg03@rrz.uni-koeln.de (Jan T. Kim)
Subject: Re: IBM Emulators
Reply-To: kim@vax.mpiz-koeln.mpg.dbp.de
Organization: Regional Computing Center, University of Cologne, F. R. Germany
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 18:03:47 GMT

In <1992Sep15.145802.23374@newshost.lanl.gov> hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson) writes:

>In article 7407@oz.plymouth.edu, oddjob@oz.plymouth.edu (Andrew C. Stoffel) writes:

>>Does someone have a list of IBM-"emulators" for Atari ST series

>Andy, others in this group may add their $.02, but the only PC emulators that I
>know as being currently supported are the ICD AT-Speed and PC-Speed units which
>are priced around $400 and $200, respectively.  I don't believe the SuperCharger
>(sold by Talon?) is supported any longer although you might still find the units
>for sale.  And frequently you may find a PC-Ditto II hardware board for sale as
>well as the PC-Ditto software only solution (works but very s-l-o-w).

>There is not a tremendous market for PC emulators anymore because you may now
>buy a standalone PC for not much more than the cost of these emulators.

>Anyone know of any other PC emulators?

I've heard about ATonce, sold by Vortex. I just checked, they are
in the directory of the Duesseldorf Atari Messe of this year with
ATonce listed as their product, so it seems it's still supported.
I have no idea about its performance or price though.

Greetinx, Jan

 +- Jan Kim -- X.400:    S=kim;OU=vax;O=mpiz-koeln;P=mpg;A=dbp;C=de -+
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From: sm86+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stefan Monnier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Thank you Darek for your support of the ST
Date: 5 Sep 92 16:01:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.ceeId=i00awGM7BUZY
	<1992Sep5.190008.22539@csi.uottawa.ca>
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Poor Darek !

No matter how good he is at programming, it is of no use if
he is really as stupid as he seems to be !

Such a waste ! Bad luck !

	Stefan Monnier

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: aeg03@rrz.uni-koeln.de (Jan T. Kim)
Subject: Re: Why no floppy port on the Falcon??
Reply-To: kim@vax.mpiz-koeln.mpg.dbp.de
Organization: Regional Computing Center, University of Cologne, F. R. Germany
Distribution: world,local
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 13:00:37 GMT

In <1992Sep9.222135.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> dtarico@violet.ccit.arizona.edu writes:

>Can anybody give a good reason why the Falcon would not have an external
>floppy drive port? [...]

I've been surprised by finding out about that too,  and  I  can't
offer  any  explanation.  Could  any  competent  soldering expert
comment on the chances to add a port for an external disk  drive?
In  principle  it  should  be  possible  in  terms of hardware, I
assume. However, it may be difficult to hack up the Falcon TOS to
deal  with the additional drive, if the programmers of the Falcon
TOS assumed there would never be a drive B:

Greetinx, Jan

 +- Jan Kim -- X.400:    S=kim;OU=vax;O=mpiz-koeln;P=mpg;A=dbp;C=de -+
 |             Internet: kim@vax.mpiz-koeln.mpg.dbp.de               |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: wilsont@orac.holonet.net (Timothy Wilson)
Subject: How to 'become' an atari devleoper?
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 07:05:41 GMT

What is needed to become a developer for Atari machines?
I am not really "anyone" (no business...soon though) so i didn't
want to get laughed at if i'd acutally call atari.

Is that the correct approach? just call them first?

i assume paperwork would follow, and various "large" developer fees?

what did all you developers go through?

(atari is an hour away from my house... so thats not a problem...)

Timothy.
From: rost@rgb.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Is UMich Archive Still Around?
Date: 10 Sep 92 12:11:37 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Just a followup...I have been able to make contact again.  For some reason
everyone here at DEC lost ftp access to UMich for a week or two, but looks OK
now.  Thanks for the help, all.

					Brian Rost @rgb.enet.dec.com

					508-568-6115

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From: joeadato@tcpbbs.pcn.org (Joseph Adato)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Help needed
Date: 15 Sep 92 02:07:10 GMT
Organization: TCP BBS, Cleveland, Ohio

ghola@cc.tut.fi (Aittokallio Petteri) writes:

> 
> I need a program to convert PC (ms-dos) files into atari format. Anybody
> know where I could get it from?
> 
>    Help would be much appreciated.
> -- 
>  Ghola
>  Email: ghola@cc.tut.fi


exactly what type of IBM files are you trying to convert?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: malay@sae.com (Bob Malay)
Subject: Re: Spectre GCR
Reply-To: malay@sae.com
Organization: Template Software
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:12:53 GMT

In article e1TVqB1w165w@tsoft.sf-bay.org, bbs.ruscal@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Russel Mar) writes:
>paul@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Paul Harris) writes:
>
>> In article 2250@fnnews.fnal.gov, jhf@d0xs1.fnal.gov (John Featherly) writes:
>> > 
>> > 
>> > |> System 6.0.5 works best under Spectre GCR.
>> > |> 
>> > 
>> > I've tried 6.0.7 and 6.0.8 which seem to boot with Spectre V3.  Sound does 
>> > work however (silence or hangs).  Does anyone know what the latest version 
>> > Spectre software is up to?  Anyone use Mac 6.0.8 software regularly?
>> > --
>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >    John Featherly                                    jhf@d0xs1.fnal.gov
>> >    D-Zero Experiment at Fermi Lab                        (708) 840-4508
>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Spectre is still at 3.0 (unless I've really missed something big...) and has 
>> for quite a long time.  Hopefully the fabled '3.1' will be comming out soon (
>> then, I've been thinking that for quite a long time..:).
>> 
>> -Paul Harris
>> paul@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu
>
>#############################
>I've been using 6.0.8 with Spectre 3.0.  Sound works ok (Including 
>SoundMaster).  So does TrueType and AutoDoubler.  Is anyone running 
>TrueType on 6.0.5 ?  i am not sure if it was supposed to work with 
>anything less than 6.0.8...
                    ^^^^^  are your sure that sound works on this version?? I've
got 6.0.8 but never used it because of the lack of sound. So is this the real
story:

               6.0.5  --> sound
               6.0.7  --> no sound
               6.0.8  --> sound


????

Bob Malay





From: Curt.Fluegel@f47.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Curt Fluegel)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Communications Software
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1992 23:02:03 -0600

 It will not be released until early next year, but you can get it direct from
the company (at a cheaper price) before its official release...  I dont have the
# off-hand, its on GEnie and in the latest AEO issue...                    Curt

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: burglin@opal.mgh.harvard.edu (Thomas Burglin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: multisync monitor (vga) for ST ?
Date: 11 Sep 92 04:43:00 GMT
Organization: Molecular Biology, Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hi, I am interested in getting a color Multisync monitor, i.e. 
so that I can view all resolutions i.e. monochrome (high)
and medium and low color on the same monitor.
And it should have an autoswitching powersupply that
can handle it when I move back to Europe, and since it
s a multisync, it's probably VGA compatible as well.
Please reply by email, if you have any experience with such monitors, 
or know how one could hook up a VGA monitor, such that
it works properly with an ATARI ST 
Thanks 
Thomas Burglin
burglin@frodo.mgh.harvard.edu
From: kjohnson@castor.cs.uga.edu (Kristopher Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Use of Falcon's DSP?
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:43:28 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <etxansk.716051298@garbod20> etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se writes:
>
> I read in Atari ST User (a UK magazine), issue #37, about the
>DSP chip in the new Falcon computer. 
>
> If I remember it correctly, they claim that the DSP can handle
>eight sound channels, but also that there are four DMA stereo 
>channels.
>
> I don't get it, is the DSP responsible for DMA, or are there
>two types of sound synthesis in the Falcon (DMA _and_ with the
>DSP)?
>
> Also, does anyone know if the DSP will make the Falcon unique
>when it comes to manipulating graphics? (At least as long as
>no other computer or video game company decide to use this
>standard DSP chip for their product.)
>
> Anders Skelander

The Falcon has an SDMA processor which will handle all the sound
stuff including, if needed, routing the sound data to the DSP for
any special processing.  In other words, no, the DSP isn't 
directly responsible for handling the Falcon's 8-channel, 16-bit
sound.  However, if you want 8 (or more) completely independent
channels, then you will need to route the data through the DSP and
the DSP I/O port.  The Falcon's SDMA processor will handle sampling
2 channels at a time through the stereo audio input and mixing
down 8 channels to 2 channels for stereo output all by itself.

Yes, the DSP will allow some rather impressive uses for manipulating
graphics, although "unique" is a bit subjective.  According to Atari,
the Falcon's DSP operating at 32MHz will yield as much as 25MIPS,
although that too is a bit subjective.  However, things such as 
real-time raytracing and very fast 3D rendering are examples of
what a DSP is capable of.
From: jimw@cup.portal.com (james jim woomer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Uses for ST520 monitors?
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 20:43:21 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

What can I do with an SM124 and an SC1224 monitor that
I bought with an ST520.  I have an IBM system. Can I 
modify the conector in any way to use them for my 386 system?
Any other suggestions?

Thanks

Jim Woomer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: PERFPICH.TOS v1.1 posted to a.a
From: rlcollins@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins)
Date: 5 Sep 92 14:25:29 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <19920904.034505.695@almaden.ibm.com>, cae@vnet.ibm.com (Cornelius Caesar) writes:
> In <1992Sep03.202923.16021@convex.com> William Rosenkranz writes:
>>please don't post self extracting archives. people without ataris may
>>want to look at it (ie read the documentation). use arc, zoo or lharc.
> 
> Though I haven't tried it myself yet the documentation of STZip 2.0
> says that the created self-extracting archive is still a valid ZIP file
> and thus can also be viewed at or extracted by STZip.
> Of course if the new inflation algorithm has been used (which is a
> necessity for self-extracing files) you cannot use Zip 1.1.

     Yes, it does work. At least the version of zip we have on our vax
works. It says that there are extra bytes at the beginning of the, but
it doesn't mess anything up.

     Acutally I prefer self extracting archives, then I don't have to
hope I have the right program to extract the archives.

Later.......

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From: ken@isgtec.com (Ken Newman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Mac OS vs. TOS (was Re: Falcon Graphics
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:38:39 GMT
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc., Mississauga Ontario

In article <1992Sep8.154930.7364@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Your Conscience) writes:
< >>     But don't forget, a command-. would have canceled that dialog box
< >>so you wouldn't have had to reboot.
< >
< >Ah, but of course!  Command-. why didn't I think of that logical keysequence :
< Um, guys, that's "Command .", as in period, at least it is for all our macs 
< here in the lab...


Um, even better, if he had dragged the icon of the disk to the trash
after he ejected it, it never would have put up the dialog box. :-)

--

ken@isgtec.com   [ ...!uunet.ca!isgtec!ken ]  Ken Newman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: jhurwitz@access.digex.com (j. hurwitz)
Subject: WAAC AtariFest 92' October 10 & 11
Keywords: Atari shows buy sell trade midi musioic demos software vendors
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: all
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 12:21:44 GMT
Expires: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:00:00 GMT


                        WAACE AtariFest 92

   The Washington Area Atari Computer Enthusiasts will sponsor
W.A.A.C.E.  AtariFest 1992 on October 10 and 11. The show will again
be staged at the Sheraton Reston Hotel in Reston, VA. Show hours will
be from 10 am to 6 pm on both days. In addition to the shopping
bargains available from over thirty vendors there will be a full round
of demonstrations, tutorials, and seminars.  A banquet on Saturday
evening will feature a special speaker on Atari matters and Current
Notes Magazine's "Author of the Year" award. Special mixers will cap
off the evening's festivities. The 1990 and 1991 editions of the show
attracted approximately 2000 visitors. 

The Sheraton Reston Hotel is a spacious, attractive facility located
in a parklike setting near Washington, DC. The hotel is offering a
special room rate of $59 per night plus tax to 'Fest attendees. Call
1-800-392-ROOM or 703- 620-9000 for reservations. Be sure to mention
W.A.A.C.E. AtariFest '92. The number of rooms available at this
special rate is limited, so make your reservations early.  The price
that W.A.A.C.E. will have to pay for the exhibit space is directly
tied to the number of hotel rooms that are rented out. 

If you have any expectation at all of attending the event we would
like you to reserve a room for Friday and Saturday nights.
Immediately following the 1991 show Charles F.  Johnson of Codehead
Technologies announced that W.A.A.C.E. '91 was the most profitable
outing that they had ever had, anywhere. For eight years W.A.A.C.E.
has provided a complete Atari experience. 1992 promises to be in that
same tradition. For additional information please contact: Russ Brown
via GEnie (R.Brown127), by voice number - (703) 803-6126 (Please do
not call after 10 PM EDT), and/or Email to jhurwitz@access.digex.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: jhurwitz@access.digex.com (j. hurwitz)
Subject: Re: Falcon Graphics
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 12:32:21 GMT


>>In <Bu1Dyu.IA0@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> gbcusg@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (I. Barnett) writes:
>>
>>>In your post, you say that the latest Mac LC (the LCII) is better that the
>>>Falcon.  Where do you get this from?  The LCII is a 16 Mhz '030 : tie.  It will
>>
>>It's in the eye of the beholder whether TOS  or  the  Mac  OS  is
>>better.  I  just  don't  understand why so many beholders in this
>>group deem the Mac OS better...
>>
>>Greetinx, Jan
>>
>
>Try using the Mac for a while.  If atari had enforced O/S rules like apple
>does, like the standard 'FILE' and 'EDIT' menus, you would be able to use
>any application without any new knowledge like you can on the macv (to a
>certain extent).  What it boils down to is that the mac & ST came out at the
>same time but look at how far the Mac O/S has come compared to TOS.  Not
>only has apple constantly upgradaed and improved all facets of their os, 
>but they have encompassed it all in a single package (especially in system
>7).  Let's compare adding new fonts: on the mac,  you drag the font file(s)
>to system folder and you're done.  On the ST, you have to get into arcane
>GDOS files like assign.sys and extend.sys.
>
>Darren King, GBC. email :: gbcusg@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca
>
>

The MAC OS was upgraded beause it sucks!. The reason they never had to change
TOS so much is cause it was reliable. I don't go for a company that won't let 
it's developers and or users customize their software and computers. Apple 
wants everything to look the same. Besides, there is a UNIX boycott aginst
for runnig aroound and slapping everyone with Look-Alike law suits.

Even the MAC Bible slashes Apple and their lame OS...

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From: hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra)
Subject: Re: Falcon Graphics
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:30:43 GMT

aeg03@rrz.uni-koeln.de (Jan T. Kim) writes:

>In <1992Sep6.123221.11986@access.digex.com> jhurwitz@access.digex.com (j. hurwitz) writes:

>>The MAC OS was upgraded beause it sucks!. The reason they never had to change
 [...stuff deleted...]
>Very well said! While the Atari officials may be clowns, as  Mark
>K.  sees  it, the Apple guys are much worse.
 [...stuff deleted...]

What's all this fuzz about Atari vs. Mac? There are several threads dedicated
to this same, rather boring, subject... First of all, some people just *like*
the Mac better than the ST, other the other way around. No problem, let
everybody choose the machine s/he likes best. Why quarrel about it? Shouldn't
we all be sensible enough to understand that there is no 'best', etc. etc?
Second, if someone doesn't like the Atari's, what the ^&* is s/he doing in this
group - you'd better read the Mac-groups. At least *I* don't feel the need to
start an 'Atari is superior'-thread in one of the Mac-groups. Third, I use both
a ST and a Mac (and use them *very* much) - I think both have their pro's and
cons, as have the dreaded PCs (and the Sparc I'm typing this on :).
So could we please stop this (IMO) silly discussion of 'my daddie's car is
bigger than your daddie's' and return to the subjects this group is meant for.
Please.

greetings from Holland to all Atari, Mac, PC, Unix, Vax,... users,
Hendrik Jan


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Department of Philosophy              -------------------------------------
University of Utrecht                     All opinions expressed above
The Netherlands                               are pure coincidence