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From: truman@promis.com (David Truman)
Subject: Re: Printing to a text file
Organization: PROMIS Systems Corp.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:31:26 GMT

ref@evolving.com (Randy Fay) writes:

>Several PC word processors used to have a feature called "print to
>file" in which you could take your formatted file and print it to a
>lowest-common-denominator text file: monospaced text, spaces for
>indentation, etc.

>We'd like to do this so that we could keep original documents in Frame
>format, but still be able to have straight text files available
>on-line.  Or perhaps formatted for submissing to comp.text.frame???

>CAN YOU PRINT TO FILE IN FRAME?  Or is there a similar workaround?

>P.S. - SAVING to a text file is NOT the same thing. I know how to do
>that. It leaves you with no formatting beside CRs.

I have a thought.  You do say you're using a PC, which means you're
running the Windows version of FrameMaker.

In Windows, install the "Generic/Text Only" printer driver (if it
isn't installed already) and under "Connect", use FILE.  Then print
your FrameMaker doc using this printer, and you SHOULD get what
you want--formatted text-only files.

I haven't tried it out, so I can't guarantee that it'll work, but
give it a try.  I'm just starting out with FrameMaker, and I know
I'll have to address this issue at some point also.

Dave Truman
From: hartman@informix.com (Robert Hartman)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: how to get permuted index?
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:48:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <184835@pyramid.pyramid.com> perrotta@pyrxbooter.eng.pyramid.com (Paul Perrotta) writes:
>We're looking at moving some of documentation from Documenter's
>WorkBench (Doctools) to FrameMaker. Currently, we use Doctools to
>create a permuted index of our man pages. (A permuted index is not the
>same as a master index.)
>
>Does anyone know of a way to use FrameMaker to produce the same thing?
>
>
>-Paul

Hmmm.  So I gather that you're planning on migrating your man pages to
Frame?  Well, let's see.  As I recall, ptx (or whichever utility it is
that doctools uses) takes just the text of the NAME lines and permutes
the words.  I can't think of a way for Frame to import this
functionality (or any other functionality for that matter).  If you're
using Frame 3.0, you can set off the NAME lines in conditional text,
turn off the conditional display of all text but the NAME lines, then
save as text and run the saved text through the standard ptx | nroff
pipeline, and import the result into a Frame document.

-r
From: ckuznia@aludra.usc.edu ( Ckuznia)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: italicized Greek in equations
Date: 12 Jan 1993 14:50:10 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Does anyone know how to italicize Greek letters in an equation?  I use
Frame on Mac and HP systems.

Thanks,

Charlie

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: brighid@bass.lkw.com (Brighid)
Subject: favorite small page size?
Organization: Lakewood Corporation
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 22:38:05 GMT


Anyone out there got a favorite small page size? We're going to be putting 
out a new manual set, so it's redesign time.

Anyone got any particular horror or rave stories they want to share on
smaller page sizes? 

I'm thinking of something about 5.5" x 8.5", maybe 6" x 8.25" etc. I wonder
about cost of non-standard paper as a trade-off for more space.

While I'm asking for recommendations - anyone have anything to say about
D-ring / round ring binders as far as vendors or styles go? O-ring and
perfect bound are just not options for this project. It's going to be the
monthly supplement style of publishing.

If this is the wrong group to post these kinds of questions, can someone 
please let me know what is the appropriate group?

many thanks!

Brighid Wood

brighid@bass.lkw.com
From: hartman@informix.com (Robert Hartman)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Creating Unix man Pages with Frame
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:09:06 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1993Jan11.235617.28049@brt.com> paulk@brt.com (Paul Kennedy) writes:
>
>Has anyone out there created a filter and a set of formats that would
>allow one to create a man page with FrameMaker and then export it
>to a text file compatible with the Unix man utility?
>
>This seems retrograde but there a couple of people at my site that
>are so used to Frame that they don't feel comfortable with [nt]roff.
>Nonetheless they'd still like to create man pages compatible with
>the current man system.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Paul Kennedy
>Berkeley Research and Trading
>
>----
>
>I am just a modern guy.

The easy way to do this is to simply drop the pages into plain text and
write an awk or sed script to break out pages into separate files.
When you do this you forego the highlighting and other formatting
features of nroff man pages, but that may be of marginal value anyway,
depending on what you're documenting.  If there are no formatting
commands in a file, nroff acts pretty-much like cat.

The hard way is to write a filter for the MIF output.  Since you can't
save to MML, MIF is the only ASCII format that preserves layout, and
more importantly for man pages, text highlighting information.  I
suspect that the MIF filter is nontrivial to write.  It would have to
be site-specific as well, since only you will know what paragraph
formats you'll use to emulate the man page format.

-r
From: davidl@ssd.intel.com (David Levine)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame,cmu.cs.framemaker
Subject: Re: Compiling a list of keyboard shortcuts
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:23:20 GMT
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel

>|> You can find them in the file $FMHOME/docs/QuickRef.doc

Note: This file is only available in the X Window System version of
FrameMaker.  I keep meaning to edit a copy for the Macintosh version,
but first I need a font with the Mac "Command" and "Option" symbols.

>The file is present, yes, but unless I missed it, the CTRL-0
>(zero) option isn't listed there.  

The ^0 command is there, in the upper right corner of the second page
(fifth line under "Catalogs").  QuickRef.doc is almost, but not quite,
all-inclusive.

- David D. Levine, Intel Supercomputer Systems Division == davidl@ssd.intel.com
  "I was walking on the Moon one day... in the merry merry month of December..."
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: hodges@huckleberry.sfsu.edu (Jack &)
Subject: BibFrame on 3.X and NeXT platforms? Success?
Followup-To: comp.sys.next.programming
Keywords: bibliographies, NeXT, FrameMaker, bibtex
Reply-To: hodges@huckleberry.sfsu.edu
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:41:55 GMT

I have had my hands on a copy of bibframe for a year now, but only yesterday
bit the bullet and tried to make it work. The keyboard macros were set up
for a Sun and I do not know the translations. Also, the README and ChangeLog
had not been modified since 2.1 (1991).

Question. Is anyone using bibframe on a NeXT who could provide me with
their sample keybdmacros file?

Question. Is anyone using bibframe with a 3.X version of FM?

Thanks for any information,

  Jack Hodges
  San Francisco State University
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame,cmu.cs.framemaker
From: steves@microware.com (Steve Simpson)
Subject: Re: Compiling a list of keyboard shortcuts
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:27:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.111053.2895@sei.cmu.edu> bjz@sei.cmu.edu 
(Barbara Zayas) writes:
>
>I've been using keyboard shortcuts for years and this one is
>new to me (it's a GREAT shortcut, incidentally).
>
>I've found that some of the keyboard shortcuts aren't
>mentioned in the FM documentation.  In an effort to have one,
>STUFF DELETED...

While I don't have the QuickRef.doc document available to X users, I do
have the fm_commands.h file (in $FMHOME/.fminit2.0.ps). This file
includes some shortcuts not documented (I believe). It takes a little
decrypting, but you'll find it well worth checking it out.
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Subject: Re: Arrow Bug
Reply-To: khor@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:43:08 GMT

In article <YOUNT.93Jan6172747@fox.ece.cmu.edu>, yount@fox.ece.cmu.edu (Charles Robert Yount) writes:
|> 
|> I'm having a weird problem with drawing arrows in 3.1X.  I can draw
|> simple lines with no problem, but if I try to draw a line with an
|> arrow, it is *invisible* on the screen.  If I change it to a
|> simple line, and it reappears, but if I change it back to an arrow
|> (left, right, or double), it disappears again.  By the way, if I print
|> one of these invisible lines, it comes out fine on the printer.

Nope not on the HPs, Mac or PC's that I use.  But it would help if
you'd specify the Operating System platform and Framemaker version
that you are using.
 
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame,cmu.cs.framemaker
From: cazander%serigate@phcoms.seri.philips.nl (Koos Cazander)
Subject: Re: Compiling a list of keyboard shortcuts
Followup-To: comp.text.frame,cmu.cs.framemaker
Originator: news@phcoms.seri.philips.nl
Organization: SERI-CEN Network Services, Philips C&P, Eindhoven, The Netherlands
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 10:41:35 GMT

Barbara Zayas (bjz@sei.cmu.edu) wrote:

: In article <1993Jan11.112017.2946@phcomgw.seri.philips.nl>, cazander%serigate@phcoms.seri.philips.nl (Koos Cazander) writes:
: |> You can find them in the file $FMHOME/docs/QuickRef.doc

: The file is present, yes, but unless I missed it, the CTRL-0
: (zero) option isn't listed there.  

Page 1, right most column, under TEXT, under Catalogs, 5th line:
	!q v, ^0	Quick Variables
              ^^ = Control Zero

Not to be messed up with '^o', on page 1, 2nd column under Miscellaneous, 3rd line.
                          ^^ = Control Oh

: Thanks.
: Barbara

: Software Engineering Institute		bjz@sei.cmu.edu
: Carnegie Mellon University

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From: cdoyle@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Candace Doyle)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:23:47 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Crashing Framemaker
Organization: Precision Risc Organization
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame

Glad you've been contacted Bob; I was the one that called in the problem
with Frame from our group, got less than adequate help (ie: what I found
was not a bug), filed a bug report and YOU got the assistance from
Frame because of a notes posting! So much for going through channels; it
looks like the way to get help is to state your problem in a public forum.
I'm just lucky you have been sharing information with the rest of us!

From: orum@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Jeff Orum)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:18:07 GMT
Subject: Re: HELP: Frustration using Tools in FrameMaker 3.1
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame

>I would like to know if there is a X resource that can be set for FrameMaker
>to retain use of a selected tool off of the Tools menu.  

Not an X resource, but if you shift when you select the tool, it will remain
active until you select another tool.

Jeff Orum
orum@cup.hp.com
From: cmhst6+@pitt.edu (Chris M Hunsicker)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: PostScript to ASCII & other Conversions
Date: 13 Jan 93 01:58:57 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Does anyone know if there is a converter from PostScript to ASCII?
I checked on the archie sites, but could not find any.

Im trying to convert from Frame to Multimate II and am having bit of a
nitemare.  First, I converted MIF to WP using Frame's filterpak, and
then
used X WP5.0 to convert to Multimate.. to be used on the multimate on 
my pc.. It didnt come through at all. Seems like miftowp adds tons of 
comments to the output and then converting the WP file to Multimate puts
all those comments into the output. From Multimate, i printed out the 
first 5 pages of my document, and got 50 pages.. with about 2 lines per
each page and lots of garbage.  
So, Im trying to save the MIF file as Postscript using Print and then 
convert it to ASCII and import ascii to Multimate.. but then im back to
step 1....

Help!!

cmhst6@pitt.edu
Xref: sparky comp.text.frame:3893 comp.windows.x.apps:1770 comp.windows.x.motif:8490
From: rfisel@informix.com (Rick Fisel)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.windows.x.motif
Subject: cut/copy/paste directly between Motif apps and Framemaker?
Keywords: Motif, Framemaker, cut buffer
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:57:42 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

Framemaker for Motif, when running on a SUN sparc IPX, does not use the 
standard X/Motif buffers for cut/copy/paste. Thus I can't cut from a text 
editor (code) and paste into documentation I'm writing. Is there a way to
configure either Framemaker or the X apps to use the same buffer (using 
defaults at run-time)? Frame Tech Support has not been much help on this one. 

Thanks,

Rick Fisel
Informix Software
From: eiswirth@vixvax.mgi.com (Steve Eiswirth)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Calibration tool in FM-Mac?
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:03:57 CDT
Organization: Management Graphics, Inc.

Do any of you know if FrameMaker (Mac) has a printer calibration capability
like Quark?  A co-worker uses Quark and I'm jealous of his calibration
extension.  What he does is prints out a grayscale test page, takes the page
to the densitometer, gets the readings, inputs the densitometer readings into
the calibration extension chart in Quark, and then the next time he prints
the grays will come out like they are suppossed to.
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: sstark@Ingres.COM (Scott Stark)
Subject: Re: Autonumbering page numbers for chapter TOC
Reply-To: sstark@Ingres.COM (Scott Stark)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:35:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.025734.29052@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> ralph@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Ralph Brandi) writes:
>I've got multi-chapter books with complex page numbers, autonumbered
>with an invisible ChapterNumber tag.  In addition to the book-wide
>TOC, the format dictates chapter TOCs.  But when I generate the TOCs
>directly from the file, all I get is page numbers, no chapter
>numbers.  The ChapterNumber tag is imported into the file
>automatically for the title at the top of the page with a reference
>on the Reference page of the original document as "Chapter <$paranum>"
>with a tag of ChapterNumberTOC.
>
>I've tried setting the page number on the Reference page to
><$paranum[ChapterNumber]>-$pagenum> and
><$paranum[ChapterNumberTOC]>-$pagenum>, neither of which work.
>The only way I can think of to generate chapter TOCs which include
>the chapter number in the page number given these circumstances is
>to create a separate book for each chapter and use the "Set Up File"
>dialog to set the prefix manually.  Has anybody got a better idea?

Answer:  no.  We had the same problem and followed the same string
of answers, including putting invisible chapter numbers on each
tag used in the TOC.  We actually got it to work when generating
the TOC from the document, but when we ran the master book file it
changed all of the numbers to zero.

This is one of the dumber things about Frame, having to create book
files for each chapter and *manually* typing in the prefix in the
setup box.  After all, computers are supposed to automate things like
this, right?

Scott Stark
sstark@ingres.com

Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: hodges@huckleberry.sfsu.edu (Jack &)
Subject: Re: Compiling a list of keyboard shortcuts
Reply-To: hodges@huckleberry.sfsu.edu
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 03:17:27 GMT

In article <C0Jt8H.Kxx@world.std.com>  Art Campbell writes:
> Uh, before you get too far into this great project.... don't forget
> about the QuickRef.doc file in /Frame/docs that lists most of the
> shortcuts (though not all -- like the ^0).... 

Interesting, I am looking through the application directories for both
FrameMaker 2.0D and 3.0 and I do not see any such documents. I am running
on a NeXT. Should that really make a difference with this kind of file?

JBH
From: webster@bnr.ca (Brent Webster)
Subject: Re: Frame no-show at MacWorld Expo
Reply-To: webster@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research Ltd
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:42:06 GMT

Our company is using Frame as the documentation tool of choice
mainly because of its multi-platform capability. I can live
without a System 7 friendly/compatible version of Frame.
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: sid@vdhc.on.ca (Sid Van den Heede)
Subject: Re: Boxed text in Framemaker?
Keywords: keycap fonts
Organization: Van den Heede Computing, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:52:52 GMT

In article <9976@fs3.cam.nist.gov> koontz@cam.nist.gov (John E. Koontz X5180) writes:
>It might be worth pointing out that there is an alternative to representing
>keycaps as boxed words.  There are fonts which represent the keycaps of a 
>standard keyboard.  Of course, you'd have to find, buy, and install one.
>The nicest looking one I know off the top of my head is a bitmapped font
>for HP LaserJets, from SoftCraft - not much use in this context.  It includes
>a shadowed keyshape around the characters.

There are several specialized fonts from Page Studio, available from Precision
Type in Commack, New York (tel +1 516 864 0167).

Their packages include all sorts of symbols, including various sorts of keycaps.
Some of the keycaps fonts contain single enclosed characters, including ones for 
Mac and NeXT keyboards.

There are four packages that contain the keys such that you can make any keycap
you want, just by typing the letters, preceded and followed by a character to
make the opening and closing part of the keycap (sort of like rounded brackets).
So, for example, if you need a Return key, type the open rounded bracket, the
letters for "Return", and the closing rounded bracket.  One of this style of 
packages contains kana keys.  These font packages are about $240, while the 
packages with the enclosed characters are about $130.

Disclaimer: I'm not affiliated in any way with either of the companies mentioned.
I only have a catalog.  So, if they'd like to send me a sample... :-)
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From: dem@fnal.gov (David E. Martin)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: UNIX-PC-UNIX Conversion - How?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 19:59:05 GMT
Organization: Fermi National Acclerator Laboratory, Batavia, IL, USA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dem@fnal.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: nhmpw2.fnal.gov

Here's what I do:

1) format a 1.44 MB diskette on my PC
2) copy the FrameMaker file to it from my hard drive
3) put the diskette in my Sun SparcStation IPX
4) as root on the Sun type "mount -t /dev/fd0 /pcfs"
5) open the file as normal (filename looks like /pcfs/dos.doc)
6) save my work when finished to /pcfs directory
7) as root on the Sun type "umount /pcfs"
8) as root on the Sun type "eject"
9) take the disk bakc to my PC and start the cycle all over.

David E. Martin
National HEPnet Management                      ||    Phone: +1 708 840-8275
Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory           ||    FAX: +1 708 840-8463
P.O. Box 500, MS 368; Batavia, IL 60510  USA   /  \   E-Mail: dem@hep.net



Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: jdb@sunbim.be (Jurgen Debedts)
Subject: Filters
Keywords: filter, winword
Reply-To: jdb@sunbim.be
Organization: BIM Information Technology N.V. BelgiumA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 13:34:16 GMT

Hey there,

Is there anybody out there who has any, hopefully succesful
expirience with the conversion of Frame documents to MS Word
for Windows, with the possibility to reimport into Frame
afterwards?

Any advise is welcome, even on commercial filters.

Thanks in advance,

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From: r.safaei@trl.oz.au (Ramin Safaei)
Subject: Re: Problem with typing in popups in 3.1X
Reply-To: r.safaei@trl.oz.au
Organization: Telecom Research Labs.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:20:29 GMT

In article 726443643@msi.umn.edu, haberman@s6.msi.umn.edu (Joe Habermann) writes:
>The manual, the OpenIssues doc, or release notes may have said 
>something about this but... I'm having trouble when trying to type 
>into popups such as the "Paragraph Format" window.  It ignores all 
>of my key presses.  
>
>I'm using Frame 3.1X on a Sun running SunOS 4.1.2.  It is being
>displayed on a 3/60 with an X11R5 server with vtwm 3.0 as my
>window manager.
>

Add the following line to your .Xdefaults:

Maker*focusOnMouse:	True

>Thanks -- and sorry if this was in the manual,
>
You are welcome

>Joe Habermann
>haberman@msi.umn.edu

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