From: trev@hubcap.clemson.edu (Trevor Bauknight)
Subject: Re: A fresh start. Negroes need not apply
Organization: Jes Grew Carriers -- Metaphysical Bunko Squad 
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 04:00:27 GMT

>KARLIN@BNLCL6.BNL.GOV (P.L. Cowan) writes:

>The United States is a country built on a murderous and exploitative basis.

Certainly.

>discussion of the legitimacy of the CSA is roughly comparable to discussions
>of angels dancing on the head of a pin.

Why is the USA any more legitimate than the CSA was, in principle?  You may
not believe it is, but you failed to include the question of the USA's 
legitimacy in your analogy while at the same time declaring both countries 
"morally bankrupt." 
 
>That last sentence is classic. I suppose that refusing to concede the
>plausibility of Hitler's arguments is also divisive?

As a Southerner, I can certainly understand SOME of the motivations of the
CSA, and I don't appreciate the implication that, for that reason, I would
be willing to concede the plausibility of Hitler's arguments.

>Yeah, as the LA riots illustrate. I predict that the US will erupt in a race 
>war by the middle of the next century. It is a war that has been incipient in
>this country for centuries.

Sure.  Especially since people like you continue to insult those of us who
hold to those tenets of self-determination which refer to the celebration
and appreciation of one's culture and heritage as if we don't have the 
right because we are white.  I agree with some of your points, but you're
swinging too broad an axe.   

>White southerners sought to annihilate the prospect of economic
>competition from newly freed blacks. Simple greed was their motivation, along
>with a heavy dose of racist ideology.

Among other things.  White southerners also sought equal participation in
the Federal Government, sought to retain their sovereignty and birthright,
sought to nullify laws which unfairly restricted their commerce, etc.  I 
don't mean to imply that I believe slavery was acceptable because it was a 
part of these things, but that it was only a part.  Most Southerners didn't 
own slaves, after all.  I abhor all slavery, but I can understand why those 
Southerners who did not own slaves and had no vested interest in the survival
of the institution volunteered to fight for their state and their country.  
While I might not feel this allegiance toward the USA, I do feel this way 
toward the part of the country which I love.

>beliefs. Many whites in fact repudiated slavery. However, most resorted to
>ethics of convenience, or none at all.

Objecting to being prodded by an essentially foreign group of people is not
"ethics of convenience."  It's like my own objections to your posts.  Even
though I despise slavery and racism and agree withs some of your points, I 
object to being indirectly labelled a Hitler apologist because I believe in
some of the things the CSA stood for.

 
Trevor Bauknight         trev@hubcap.clemson.edu    ...gatech!hubcap!trev
 
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