HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: boisseau@chpc.utexas.edu (John R. Boisseau (Jay))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: TEXAS vs. ou
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:01:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC

In article <1992Oct8.180308.22496@utdallas.edu> dostalik@utdallas.edu (Bill Dostalik) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.154659.23682@chpc.utexas.edu> boisseau@chpc.utexas.edu (John R. Boisseau (Jay)) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct7.021833.14973@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> curran@nsslsun.nssl.uoknor.edu (Brian Curran) writes:
>>[lots of drivel deleted ]
>>
>>>You can count?  Gee, I knew Gov. Richards was improving higher education,
>>>but I am truly amazed!  You count better than your cousins at College
>>>Station :-/.
>>
>>And finally another attack on HIGHER education. Like there is such a thing
>>in Oklahoma. Sheesh. ;-) 
>>
>>Jay
>
>Actually, OU's freshman class this year ranked 7th in the U.S. for incoming
>national merit scholars and 1st among all U.S. public universities.  The new
>pres., Van Horn, seems tobe making good things happen at Oklahoma.

Oh, yeah? Well how much did OU pay THEM to go to OU? ;-) Looks like a scandal
to me... I bet the admissions office gets investigated soon! ;-)

Actually, that is pretty impressive. Texas typically places first among
public universities and second overall in National Merit Scholars enrolled, 
and therefore must be first or close to it in how many they admit every
year. This is all very irrelevant, however, as non of the Texas football
players _I_ have met were National Merit Scholars... ;-)

Jay


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From: milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Milleman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Scores
Date: 10 Oct 92 21:11:15 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

Can someone start posting scores. I'm stuck at work and can't get the scores    from today's games. I know the important scores (or at least as far as the Dawgsare concerned): UGA won, Tennessee lost!!
Thanks in advance.

-- 
                                                The Rickster
                                                milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu
The only thing in life that you get
for free is your feelings hurt.
From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:20:56 GMT
Organization: Buffalo Stampede

In article <16879D9DB.CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
>So now the question is:  Do the tea-sips think of us as their biggest
>game?  (Naw, probably OU, and OU probably thinks of Nebraska, and
>they think of .....)

Colorado!  Er, uh, Utah State.
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116 Inverness Dr. East
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From: taoc@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Chi-Chih Tao)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: #1 Washington vs #2 Penn State
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:51:31 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <Bw2wtn.DuF@encore.com> jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett) writes:
>News-Software: NN 6.4.16
>
>   Nothing beats DA CANES.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  1992 National Championship, here we come again.   Catch us if you can.

What a jerk!  You aren't even a team member of this year's CANES, what
qualify you to say "Catch us if you can"?

Oh yeah, if you are that proud of DA CANES, may be you should SERIOUSLY
CONSIDERING a schedule with NO Division I-AA teams!

Before that, I think DA CANES spent a few extra weeks to pray for luckiness
to sneak by PennState and FSU, thanks to all these push-over I-AA opponents
which give them really a BIG break to have extra time praying and woofing...

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: AP Top 25 (Was Re: Miami Can Not Be De
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: world,local
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:07:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.131736.3828@arizona.edu> kkc@nursing.arizona.edu writes:
>Come New Year's Day and Washington will probably play #3 Michigan and who will
>Miami play this time? Nebraska again or Colorado????

Colorado is still unbeaten.. so don't count them out yet. So is A&M, the
team that beat mighty Walsh! & co.

Njan
From: jm21@prism.gatech.EDU (Jim Marks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: NOT! (was Re: Virginia WINS)
Date: 12 Oct 92 05:07:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <Bvxv6M.8xv@rice.edu> rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera) writes:
>
>Congratulations to Clemson on the best come-from-behind win I can ever
>remember seeing.  I even cheered for them :)
>
There must be something about Clemson getting their running game cranked up
in the second half.  They did that against Tech in the second half; for a 
while there, I thought they were going to run off with the game.  Against
Virginia, however, they looked like they figured how to open up their 
offense enough to be effective.  They actually completed some passes :-)
Up to now, I think their lack of offensive balance has been their biggest
problem (not exactly an original insight there, is it?).

Anyway, I couldn't believe this game.  It was almost like Virginia went
to sleep after they got that big lead.  Wish they had done that against
us :-(
>
>go jackets!   (and why the heck did Maryland score 26 points?)
>-- 
>Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu
>"The 'wall of separation of church and state' is a metaphor based on bad
> history, a metaphor which has proved useless as a guide to judging.  It should
> be frankly and explicity abandoned." - Chief Justice William Rehnquist


-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dbayer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Daniel L Bayer)
Subject: Re: Bo wants back!! Was: John.Cooper.must.die.die.die
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:35:09 GMT

Ohio's for sale, Bo,  pleeeeeeeeze!!  (At least for the price of a buy-out of 
Coop's contract...)
From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Wisconsin at Iowa
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:01:47 GMT
Organization: American Math. Society

In article <1992Oct5.173235.3614@doug.cae.wisc.edu> tsau@cae.wisc.edu (Johne Tsau) writes:

   >Am I the only one who feels that Wisconsin at Iowa this week will be
   >tougher than Ohio at Wisconsin?  Wisconsin has a history of playing
   >OSU hard, but when was the last time UW beat Iowa at home?  Iowa
   >is hungry for a win now (if not hungry for some confidence back), and
   >Iowa is not as bad as their record shows.  Afterall, all of their losses
   >were to Top-20 teams I believe...

   >Wisconsin will have to play no(few) mistake football I think to win in Iowa
   >City.  Eliminate the penalties, make smart passes, and don't make
   >turnovers.  Iowa is solid enough on offense to take advantage of
   >most mistakes.

   >BTW, does anyone have team statistics for the Big10? Thanx...

   >--
   >Johne...   Kariel the Margrave

I think this could be a very interesting game!  Iowa and Wisconsin
will both be looking at this as a game they cannot afford to lose.
Likewise the MSU Michigan game.

-Alan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: Pre-Game:Longhorns-Aggies Thanksgiving
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:10:06 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1992Oct13.090110.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> 11rpotter@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:

> The Longhorns Beat Sooners with no questions!
> 
> 	This is time to discuss and talk about the game between the 
> Longhorns and the Aggies!  Will the Longhorns beat the Aggies on the
> Thanksgiving Day?  

  No.

> 	Of course, there are few reasons that the Longhorns are ready
			^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  You got that right!

> to beat Aggies:


> 
> 	1.  Have Aggies for Thanksgiving Dinner

  Too tough.  I prefer beef.

> 	2.  Home Advantage "Home Sweet Home"

  A&M is 3-1 in Memorial Stadium since '84.

> 	3.  Can handle against Aggies' defenese

  Not sure what this means, but I'm sure it's wrong! :-)

> 	4.  Desire to beat Top 10 team after loss to Syracuse and Miss. St.

  I'm sure TCU has a lot of desire to beat Miami.  It's not bloody likely, 
though.

> 	5.  It's time for the Longhorns to go COTTON BOWL '93!!

  Win one game against a half-decent opponent and you think you're God's gift to
the SWC again.  Here we are in mid-October, and you're talking Dallas.  If you
can beat Baylor, Tech, and UH, then you may have room to talk.  Do calm down.
It's WAY too early to think about Thanksgiving.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dbrod@eng.clemson.edu (Douglas Brod)
Subject: Re: ACC This Week: Predictions and Such
Reply-To: dbrod@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:52:22 GMT

In article 23027@ncsu.edu, jvbutera@grad01.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera) writes:
>(Benjamin H. Cowan) writes:
>(RICHARD D CURRIN) writes:
>(Robert John Butera) writes:
>*
>*  Ok... I'll say it...
>*
>*  "It's probation time again, Y'all!"
>
>You see, this is EXACTLY why Clemson can't fire Hatfield.  He was brought
>in to clean house first, then win a few games.  I think this quote is
>FAR more appropriate to a school like SYRACUSE these days....
>
Hey Jeff, when are they going to fire Ellis? (Clemson's basketball coach for the non-ACC)
We're on (self-imposed) probation in basketball for the Wayne Fuckingham (your nickname) scandal.

Doug Brod
dbrod@eng.clemson.edu
"Everybody and their mother is getting a Sun account"
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:17:31 EDT
From: <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: AP Top 25 (Was Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!)
Distribution: usa
 <TOMA.92Oct12142345@db.TC.Cornell.EDU> <71007@hydra.gatech.EDU>

Just because team a beats team c by 1 point and team b beats team c by 20
points doesn't make team a better than team b by 19 points.  Geez, whoever
uses this argument is very, very stupid!!!!  Did you ever hear of a team
having an off week?????  The Raiders beat Buffalo by 17 points this week.
The 49ers lost to Buffalo by 3.  Geez, are you saying that the Raiders are
first, a better team then the 49ers and 2nd by 20 points????????????
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Okay, and for all you people who want me to use a college argument since this
is a college.net.  Penn State beat Maryland by 41 points.  Pitt lost to
Maryland by 13.  Geez, somehow I don't think Penn State is going to beat
Pitt by 54 points!!!!!  Washington is undefeated, Miami is undefeated.  Take
your pick, but don't use stupid arguments like Miami beat Arizona by one point.
Miami won the game - game over.  They dropped from No. 1 to No. 2 - now they've
made up for it.  They're back up to No. 1 or in a tie if you count the split
polls.  They earned the way back to the top.  Enough said.  Miami is No. 1 ----
this coming from a Lions fan, ick!
                                            -Rob
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mln@sunkj.larc.nasa.gov (Michael L Nelson)
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:01:18 GMT

cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell) writes:

>>	Virginia and VPI, however, is a good example of a one-sided rivalry. 
>>UVa is always VPI's biggest game, but Cavalier hatred has been reserved
>>for the less than masculine baby-blue of UNC, accompanied by that
>>distinctive Tar Heel stench.  Virginia has no real football rivalries

>John, let me say first that I agree with you 100 percent. But, you
>may have just re-ignited one of last year's flame wars. :-)

Yes, he might have.  :-)

If UVa doesn't care about the rivalry with Va Tech, there seems to
be an awful lot of negative things said about VT from UVa woofers.
And very little disparaging remarks (or references at all) about
UNC.

UNC has its own cow college rival right next door to it; UNC
doesn't really need UVa to have good rivalry.

UVa might as well accept that Va Tech is the best they are going
to do for a rival and get on with it.  

Excuse me while we try to rebuild our football program, and let
me get back to you with that rival thing...

I would also like to take this opportunity to point out that
Va Tech still has the lead in the series.

Michael Nelson
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 19:29:03 GMT
Organization: VMark Software, Inc.

Alright fans, let's hear your arguments!!!  Who in the world can deny that
the Miami Hurricanes are the #1 team in the nation, without a doubt???
Not only are they undefeated...
Not only have they beat a number of ranked/tough opponents...
But...

In successive weeks, they have taken down #3 Flordia State, and now, they
have travelled to #7 Penn State, and beat them on their own turf...

Who has played tougher opposition???
Who has beaten the toughest competition???

THe Hurricanes, that's who...

They can no longer be denied, Washington is good, but they have not had to
face the trials that Miami has had too...

Give them their due..

They are #1....

-- 
David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 
VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: lein@garage.bae.bellcore.com (John Leinaweaver)
Subject: Re: All these Penn State Predictions
Reply-To: lein@bae.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 13:10:06 GMT

In article <92281.015347KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu>, Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> In article <1992Oct6.224235.13737@walter.bellcore.com>,
> lein@garage.bae.bellcore.com (John Leinaweaver) says:
> 
> >It's interesting to see that so many people have so much knowledge
> >about Penn State and where they should be ranked when they:
> 
> >    a) have not seen them play a game
> >    b) can not name 3 players on the Nittany Lion team
> >    c) couldn't even describe the type of offence they are running
> >       this year or how many pass att/game they are averaging.
> 
> Speak for yourself.
> 
> ------------
> Kurt Ludwick
> ------------

I can


John L
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: blythes@cs.rpi.edu (Stephen Blythe)
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:50:17 GMT

In article <JOHNDOE92Oct8.085730@squid.inmet>, johndoe@squid.inmet (johndoe) writes:
|> In article <92281.224513MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu> mark rieker <MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|> >
|> >	Lehigh vs. Lafayette !!!
|> >
|> >This year will be somewhere around the 113th game between the two.
|> >
|> >C'mon guys, sombody should have known this!  And why not any Lehigh
|> >posters to put this up?
|> >
|> 
|> well, the subject is Biggest Rivarly in the Country, and i think the fact
|> that no one else mentioned this is a testament to the fact that it is not a
|> nationally recognized rivalry, even if it is one of the oldest.

Actually, the point is that it is *the* oldest in the country ... even if you
include all IA ,IAA, II, III schools as well ....

-steve

  ==================================================================
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  Dept. of Computer Science        |  "where Hell is getting
  Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute |      colder ..."
  blythes@cs.rpi.edu        	   |
  ==================================================================

 My views do not necessarily reflect those of the bozos surrounding me.

				"NO MORE
			       BU__ SH__"
From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: PSU is Overrated!!!!!!
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:12:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: rice.Bw87w3.3nv
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rice University

In article <92290.000035KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.194736.24485@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>,
>ldr@lightnin.Columbia.NCR.COM (Dale Robbins) says:
>
>>Kurt, I thought the Clemson tigers were MNC in '82.  Beat the dog out of      e
>>someon
>>in the orange bowl.
>
>But what did the POLLS think?
>

I think there's some confusion here.  It might just be people
getting their years off by one.


MNC by AP FINAL POLL (after bowl games)

1980  Georgia   (beat #7 Notre Dame 17-10 in the Sugar Bowl)
1981  Clemson   (beat #4 Nebraska 22-15 in the Orange Bowl)
1982  Penn State (beat previosuly undefeated Georgia 27-23 in Orange
Bowl)

Note that in 1982, PSU was #1 with an 11-1 record and SMU finished
#2 with an 11-0-1 record.

Someone earlier stuck USoCal in the list.  USC finished the season
in the final AP poll ranked #2 in 1978 (USC was 12-1, Alabama #1
at 11-1 - Alabama beat previously undefeated PSU), and 1979 
(USC was 11-0-1 and Alabama #1 at 12-0).  Note that in 1978 USoCal was 
the UPI national champ.
-- 
Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu

"...this thing of separation of church and state is a figment of some infidel's
 imagination." - Rev. W. A. Criswell
From: drogers@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (David Rogers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: The Bowl Alliance
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:03:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <1992Oct11.222931.13923@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
doli@troi.cc.rochester.edu (David Oliver) writes:

>Where does Miami play if they finish the season #1, according to the bowl 
>alliance?   

In the Orange, Sugar, Cotton, or Fiesta, depending on which matches them
against the next-(available-) highest-ranked team.  According to the current
polls, this would mean against 'Bama, since Washington and Michigan would meet
in the Rose.  Of course, 'Bama may lose to Tenessee this weekend, etc. ,etc.,
etc.

Does anybody know what happens if the "next-highest-ranked team" would create
a re-match (e.g. FSU vs. Miami, not that I want the chance to lose again!)?
-- 
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From: tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson)
Subject: Re: Who is number 1?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:56:51 GMT

ldr@lightnin.Columbia.NCR.COM (Dale Robbins) writes:

>In article <1992Oct5.202915.25303@athena.mit.edu> aviksroy@athena.mit.edu (Avik S. Roy) writes:
>(stuff deleted)
>I think Michigan should if the victory is anywhere near convincing.  If Penn St.
>beats Miami, I don't think Penn State will move up to #2, because Michigan will
>continue to rout its opponents.  However, if Miami gets through its schedule,
>who could it play?  Tennessee, maybe.  A&M, maybe.  But with Fla. State out, and
>with Penn State out (if Miami beats them), there isn't a really good team for
>Miami to play.  Therefore, the Rose Bowl will be the national championship once
>again.  (And just a few years ago, you guys were all making fun of Pasadena.)

I don't think so.  I predict a Stanford upset of U-Dub.  Then the question
becomes, does Stanford pole vault over a unbeaten team that beat them, A&M.
To me it only improves A&M claim, i.e. it improves their schedule.

I know that Stanford has improved, but so has A&M.  They just still play
at the level of their opponents.

At least if it comes down to the last drive, they can win it, unlike a team
in Florida.  Sorry fsu, but the scenerios(sp?) were to much a like. :):)
(Remember, I said if it comes down to the last drive, all else was different)


>(stuff deleted)

>I object to your discription "really good team"!  Let me expound on one one of
>the evidently "so-so" teams mentioned above.  
>Tennessee has outscored their opponents 163-48.  The only one to score more than
>14 points was Georgia which was ranked ahead of UT at the time.  This is through
>5 games.  Avg score is then 33 pts to 10 (round up).  This was against two
>ranked teams.
>Now lets look at some of the other unbeaten teams

>Team		PF	PA	Avg diff	No. ranked opp
>Wash		104	41	26-10		2
>Mich		165	55	41-14		1
>Miami		89	30	22-8		1
>T A&M		105	68	21-14		0
                                                ^^  I thought Stanford was
                                                    ranked and maybe Tulsa.

>Ranked opp. were at time of game....

Where are the opponents now?  This will continue to change as the season
goes on and should be updated as we go.  Just because a team wasn't expected
to do well by the sportwriters before the season started means little.


Todd
tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu

>There are others but these are the major players in your scenario.  Now, choose
>for yourself if there are any teams better than UT now.!!!!!!

>Dale Robbins
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 02:53:55 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <cam.718915801@milton> cam@milton.u.washington.edu (Cameron Ritchie) writes:
>OK, I'm confused....
>
>Miami doesn't lose to Arizona in Miami by the score of 7-8, and 
>(rightly, IMHO) gets dropped in the polls.  (BTW, for all you folk
>who keep saying the UW-Cal score was 7-7 at the half, wasn't Miami
>*losing* to Arizona at the half? A football game lasts 60 minutes.)
>UW, on the other hand, beats top-25 Cal by 19, and also gets dropped
>from the #1 spot.  So, just how many points does UW have to win
>by to overcome the bias towards east coast teams?  100? 1000?

If you agree that Miami dropped because of the Arizona game, then you should
also agree that they should improve with back-to-back victories over #3 and
#5/7.  Miami didn't look great against Arizona, and were punished. 
Washington didn't look great against Cal, while Miami look extremely 
impressive in winning back to back games against top 10 opponents. (Ok, you
want to argue that they didn't look impressive.. Fine.  However, how can
you argue that what they accomplished wasn't impressive??  Oh yeah, I guess
it is hard for Washington, as they haven't even really played much top 10 
competition lately)
>
>Cam
>
>P.S. Tennesee vs. Arkansas = Crummy game of the week???  You Vol's
>fans have been awful quiet....


-- 
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