HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: thomas@serum.clpd.Kodak.Com (bulli@kodak.com)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: ELM doesn't accept aliases
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:08:07 GMT
Reply-To: bulli@kodak.com
Distribution: clpd
Organization: Eastman Kodak Company - Clinical Products Division

Hi Netters,

I run ELM 2.3PL16 on a SCO Unix 3.2. with MMDF as mail agent. I don't
have a system-wide aliases file for ELM but a local one in my account
- but ELM does not accept the aliases in there. I ran newalias, looked
up the documentation etc. but couldn't find any clue - can anyone out
there help me?

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From: woan@exeter.austin.ibm.com (Ronald S. Woan)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Filing by date
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:57:25 GMT
Reply-To: woan@fearless.austin.ibm.com
Organization: Austin School of Hardknocks

Is there an easy way to file your mail by month? I guess, I could do
something with filter to get it coming in by date, but I'd like a tag
by date field or some script that could go through and break up an
existing mailbox based on month.


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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Death Notice: Rob Bernardo
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 05:37:54 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Rob Bernardo, who is listed in the elm manual as a member of the elm
testing group, died earlier this month at age 40, of complications of AIDS.

I don't think that Rob had been active with elm recently, but some of you
may have known him. 
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: mlarson@corp.hp.com (Matt Larson)
Subject: Changing location of mailbox lock files?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Palo Alto, CA, USA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:45:02 GMT

I'm trying to run Elm 2.3 PL11 on an HP 9000/345 running HP-UX 8.0.
The problem is that there is no way for elm to create lock files in
the mail spool directory (/usr/mail in this case) due to lack of write
permission.  Upon startup, Elm complains bitterly with:

       Can't create lock file! Need write permission in "/usr/mail/".

Because my machine is a diskless client of a server I don't
administer, there is no hope of changing the permissions on /usr/mail
or running elm setgid.  As far as I can tell, there is no easy
configurable way to change the location of these lock files.  Is there
a workaround for this, or is the problem more complicated than I
understand it?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Matt


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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: aa680@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Vern Morrison)
Subject: Folder is corrupt!!  I can't read it!!
Reply-To: aa680@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Vern Morrison)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 04:19:30 GMT


       My UNIX site hasn't fully implemented rn yet, so I'm posting
from another account.  I just started using Elm two or three weeks
ago.  Lately, about half the time I get new mail, I'll invoke Elm to
try to read it, and I'll get a message saying "Folder is corrupt!!
I can't read it!!"  When this happens, I go to the /usr/spool/mail
directory and try to read the mail using cat.  Sometimes this works,
sometimes it doesn't.   

       When I use emacs to edit the /user/spool/mail/vern file, I
find that the screen is flooded with these characters:
^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^.  Once it was ^N@^N@, I think.  I am able to 
use ^K to delete the first line of my file, and voila!  the ^@s go
away.  I then try to use Elm to read the mail again, and I still 
get the "folder is corrupt" message.  Once I didn't--it actually
allowed me to read from the once-corrupt folder.

       Does anyone know why this is happening, and what I can do to
stop it?  I don't remember what version of Elm our site is using.
I should add that I have mail from this Free-Net account bounced over
to my Elm-using address, and that lately I've been getting mail from
CompuServe sites due to my membership in a list.  Do these things
make a difference?  Please post replies to this list or mail to my
Elm-using address: vern@cray.cba.csuohio.edu.  Thank you!
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: Replying to messages..
Organization: elektro.uucp 614-471-9416 V32.bis/PEP
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 05:15:58 GMT

The copy capability discussed below is present in elm 2.4d PL62.  It is not
present in elm 2.3 PL0 and not in elm 2.2 PL15.

Charlie Smith
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.   csmith@dsac.dla.mil                             .
.   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org                      .
. { dsac | bluemoon | n8emr }!elektro!charlie       .
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In article <1992Aug12.001625.8583@chinacat.unicom.com> chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal) writes:
>In article <avalon.713544542@coombs>
>	avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) writes:
>>Is it possible to include more than one copy of a letter you have
>>recieved in a reply with proper attribution or one copy of sevral
>>different letters ?
>
>The latter is quite simple.  Use the T)ag command to mark all of the
>messages you want to include, then set the cursor upon the message to
>which you want to R)eply.  When asked `Copy message?' say No.
>
>If you are placed into the builtin editor, simply say:
>
>	~m
>
>If you are using an external editor, then run the `readmsg' command.
>For example, if your external editor is `vi' then say:
>
>	:r!readmsg
>
>Either command will bring all of the tagged messages into the editor
>buffer.
>
>(I think this functionality was in 2.3.  Sorry I can't verify it, my
>sources have been scrubbed.  Somebody please correct me if I got this
>wrong.  If not, it will definately be in the next release, along with
>a couple of other small improvements to the `readmsg' utility.)
>
>-- 
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>Unicom Systems Development   | have their day.  Let the chips fall where they
><chip@chinacat.Unicom.COM>   | may.  I'm going to Disneyland.  -Timbuk 3
From: jdell@zenobia.mit.edu (John Ellithorpe)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: elm doesn't work right with openwindows
Date: 14 Aug 92 03:20:09 GMT
	<1992Aug13.022902.11002@ddsw1.mcs.com>
	<1992Aug13.195205.8452@das.harvard.edu>
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

On 13 Aug 92 19:52:05 GMT, adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) said:
> Article-I.D.: das.1992Aug13.195205.8452
> ...
> I'm running SunOS 4.1.1 and Openwindows 2 with Elm 2.3 PL11.
>
> I tried to get elm to start up with the window system (by editing
> .openwin-init).
>
> Now, elm starts up, the menu at the bottom displays, and the list of
> message headers does not.  I can read messages, by typing retrun, I
> can set the message to a new number, even after reading messages, I
> can't get elm to show me the headers.
>
> Calling up Elm in a shelltool still works.  ^L, suspending elm, and
> reentering do not get my messages to show up.
>
> Any advice?
> In my .openwin-init, I changed:
> shelltool -Wp 575 227 -Ws 593 461 -WP 159 833 +Wi  &
> to
> shelltool -Wp 575 227 -Ws 593 461 -WP 159 833 +Wi elm  &
>...

Well, I don't think the problem is OpenWindows.  The shelltool probably
just isn't setup right.  But anyway, I'm running on Sparcs with SunOS 4.1.1
and ELM 2.3PL11, but use xterms.  I just startup with:

xterm -T Elm -e elm &

and this works fine.  One question, if you just use: shelltool elm &, does
that work?

John Ellithorpe
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: nikki@trmphrst.demon.co.uk (Nikki Locke)
Distribution: world
Subject: ELM and SCO Unix
X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.14 $
Organization: Trumphurst Ltd.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:07:55 +0000

I am looking for a decent mailer to use with SCO Unix 3.2.2. I have 
obtained the sources for elm 2.3 (USENET) (but I haven't applied any 
patches).

I am unable to find a suitable configuration to use with mmdf (the SCO 
mailer) - in particular, using /bin/mail as the mailing agent means the 
Subject line (and some other header information) is placed in the body of 
the message rather than in the header.

What mail agent should I be using ?

Also, Configure gets a little confused about strspn and strcspn - it 
thinks SCO doesn't have them. Also rename.

Please reply by mail, as I am not a regular reader of this newsgroup.
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From: syd@dsinc.DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,news.answers
Subject: Changes to the Monthly Elm Posting from the Elm Development Group
Keywords: diffs monthly elm posting
Date: 15 Aug 92 03:58:44 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc., Huntingdon Valley, PA 19006

Archive-name: elm-monthly/diff

*** o.elm.monthly	Tue Jul 14 21:15:59 1992
--- elm.monthly	Fri Aug 14 23:57:17 1992
***************
*** 15,21 ****
  this posting or Elm itself to elm@dsi.com (dsinc!elm).  See the
  README section of this posting for info on some Elm 2.3 FAQ's.
  This posting generated:
! Tue Jul 14 21:12:53 EDT 1992
  
  Current release version: Elm 2.3 PL11
  	This version was released at patch level 0.
--- 15,21 ----
  this posting or Elm itself to elm@dsi.com (dsinc!elm).  See the
  README section of this posting for info on some Elm 2.3 FAQ's.
  This posting generated:
! Fri Aug 14 23:57:05 EDT 1992
  
  Current release version: Elm 2.3 PL11
  	This version was released at patch level 0.
***************
*** 171,176 ****
--- 171,182 ----
  to etc (or make a symlink)).
  
  
+ 	On 386bsd, the shell that is shipped with the system, ash, does
+ not work for sending messages within Elm.  Mail messages have headers only
+ and no body.  Replacing the shell with bash (from GNU) seems to solve the
+ problem.  The bash shell is in the 'etc' distribution of 386bsd.
+ 
+ 
  Why does my mail to Dave Taylor bounce?
  	His new address is limbo!taylor, or, taylor@intuitive.com
  
***************
*** 268,273 ****
--- 274,280 ----
       a result of user input should linger on the screen	until the
       user enters the next command, as happens on the index
       screen.  Currently	they disappear too quickly to be read.
+      [fixed in 2.4]
  
  EB21 System_call() in src/syscall.c presumes that a system has
       SIG_CONT because SIGTSTP is defined.  On CCI systems this
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Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 2.4 Release: Oct 1,1992
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From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: elm folder format
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:22:33 GMT
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA

hook@eagle.geog.ubc.ca (Chris Hook) writes:
>Can anyone give me an idea as to what elm is looking for in the
>so-called mail folder format.
Elm 2.3 is a bit picky, to avoid being fooled by a 'From ' line in
the body of a message.

It wants the 'From ' lines to be of the format
'From user-name-string date-stamp'

where date stamp must be in the format ddd mmm hh:mm:dd [ttt] yy[yy]

it must have either 5 or 6 fields (7 is a no no for 2.3 (two timezone
fields such as MET DST).
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Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 2.4 Release: Oct 1,1992
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer)
Subject: Thank you
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 14:35:25 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


To Everbody who answered my plee for help,

Thank all very much!  14 replies and counting, I get the idea! :-)

Cheers,
Ithlial

               The only good Troll is a dead Troll

			   Collary:

          Trolls regenerate - There are no dead Trolls
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,demon.ip.support
From: cliff@demon.co.uk (Cliff Stanford)
Subject: Re: ELM and SCO Unix
Organization: Demon Systems Ltd.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 11:31:08 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

nikki@trmphrst.demon.co.uk (Nikki Locke) writes:
: I am looking for a decent mailer to use with SCO Unix 3.2.2. I have 
: obtained the sources for elm 2.3 (USENET) (but I haven't applied any 
: patches).

	You should!  They're available for anon ftp from
ftp.demon.co.uk.

: 
: I am unable to find a suitable configuration to use with mmdf (the SCO 
: mailer) - in particular, using /bin/mail as the mailing agent means the 
: Subject line (and some other header information) is placed in the body of 
: the message rather than in the header.

	If you have the TCP/IP add-on, the simplest way to configure elm
is to use /usr/lib/sendmail which is a front-end for submit.
		Regards,
			Cliff.

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From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Death Notice: Rob Bernardo
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:27:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: lokkur.1992Aug19.112736.1660
Organization: Inland Sea

jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:

>Rob Bernardo, who is listed in the elm manual as a member of the elm
>testing group, died earlier this month at age 40, of complications of AIDS.

Damn.

Is there a place we can send condolences, contributions in his name, etc?
-- 
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  members of it who are dead."
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From: bfl@duke.cs.duke.edu (Brian Loss)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Filter question
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:05:05 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

I am trying to use the filter program but am having a problem.  In order for
my mail to be visible on any machine I login to, forward all mail to a host
who's mail directory is mounted on all other hosts.  The problem I am having
with filter is that of how to leave messages in my mailbox.  If mail is sent
to a host other than the one which has its mail directory mounted on all
other hosts (and my .forward sends mail to filter) then when filter leaves
the mail in my mailbox, it's going to be visible only on that particular
machine.  Does anyone know how to solve this problem?  Thanks in advance.



Brian

P.S. Sorry if this is a FAQ.
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From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Attribution enhancement, maybe?
Keywords: attribution reply forward
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:15:19 GMT
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA

dinn@ug.cs.dal.ca (Michael 'Moose' Dinn) writes:
>Could we also add something like %w for when the message was sent, %z for
>the subject of the message, etc., to these fields?
No, not before 3.0.
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Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 2.4 Release: Oct 1,1992
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Attribution enhancement, maybe?
Keywords: attribution reply forward
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:15:02 GMT
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA

adam@flicker.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes:

>In article <1992Aug19.151729.29784@DSI.COM> syd@DSI.COM (Sydney S.
>Weinstein) writes:
>Ok, heres an idea for an enhancement for the next version. Currently,
>.elm/elmrc has a single line controlling attribution.  Since most of
>my replies are done with r(eply) not g(roup reply), I leave this set
>to "You wrote."  But when I send a group reply, I'd like this to
>automatically change to "%s wrote:"

># attribution string for replies ('%s' is the author of original message)
>attribution = You wrote:

>/* hypothetical addition
># attribution string for group replies ('%s' is the author of original message)
>group_attribution = %s wrote:
>*/

>Would something like this be tough to add?
Probably not, but its not in 2.4.  Actually, for reply you may want
to say You wrote, but for forward you would want the group_attribution,
so I think the group_ is a bad name choice.
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Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.3PL11
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 2.4 Release: Oct 1,1992
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: rob@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (Rob Vaughn,302 Thurston Hall,50637,2730428)
Subject: Location of temporary mbox problem
Originator: rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:49:47 GMT

Our current computing environment consists of almost 30 RS/6000's, a half
dozen Suns, and two Convex C210's, not to mention numerous PCs and Macs.
To help make life in this distributed environment easier we are slowly
trying to migrate mail onto a single Sun server, and by using NFS mounts
and POP mailers allow access to a user's mail from any of our machines.

To date Elm (v2.3 PL11) hasn't posed any problems, but I've finally run
into one.  Elm's idea of checking for the existance of the temp mbox file
to prevent multiple sessions is a good one, but now we've run into the
complication of keeping simultaneous sessions from happening on multiple
machines.

My original plan was to store the temp files in /usr/spool/mail/tmp instead
of /tmp, and since /usr/spool/mail is an NFS mounted file system on all the
machines, all the machines would use the same temp file space and thus
only one session of Elm could be running on only a single machine.

Unfortunately, keeping the temporary box on the server means lots of
network traffic, and hence Elm runs considerably slower.  So I decided
that we could store the temp file in the user's home directory, which
satisfies the requirement above but still gives speedy response, provided
the user is on the same machine that their home directory is on
(99.9% of the time this is true.)

Unfortunately, any and all attempts to get the temp file to be stored
somewhere consistant in the user's home dir has failed.  '~/.elm/' doesn't
work, nor does '.elm/' (if the user isn't in the same directory that the
other Elm session is running in it creates another file.)

I would rather not modify any source code unless necessary, since it means
work every time we upgrade Elm, although that may be the only way.  Any
suggestions or insights otherwise are appreciated.

Rob


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From: root@candle.uucp (Bruce Momjian)
Subject: Re: Possible to loose incoming mail?
Organization: a consultant's basement
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:33:42 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

David Barr (barr@pop.psu.edu) wrote:
: 	What kind of file locking did you specify?

I am the original poster.  

I just reran 'Configure' and it reported I don't have flock(), and it is
going to use .lock files.  I assume that prevents other elm's from
losing my mail, but maybe my mail deliverer doesn't use the same locking
scheme, and that may be why I lost that mail.

My system does have lockf(), and an fcntl() locking call, plus the
ability to specify mandatory or advisory locks, but I don't think elm
uses them.

Does this make sense?
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From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: attribution flaw?
Keywords: attribution reply forward
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:17:29 GMT
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA

mal@genrad.com (Mike A. Long) writes:

>Either I don't quite understand the purpose of attribution, or there is a 
>flaw with the feature (I am unsure if it is due to design or implementation).
I think you don't understand the purpose.

Attribution, is to attribute the text you are including.  Since the person
who sent you the message wrote it, the attribution always belongs to them.
Its not a 'Dear person', that would be a salutation, not an attribution.
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Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 2.4 Release: Oct 1,1992
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm