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From: brad@SSD.CSD.HARRIS.COM (Brad Appleton)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Dog Techniques
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:28:55 GMT
Organization: Harris Computers Systems Division, Fort Lauderdale,FL

This isn't exactly an MA technique, but here is what my dad was told
by the organizers of one of the Civil Rights Marches (in Alabama) in
the sixties. They had to prepare the marchers for three main attacks:
dogs, firehoses, and billyclubs (all in as non-violent a manner as
possible of course). Here is what they told them to do with the attack
dogs:

   If it seems certain that the dog will not retreat from you, then
   put out your arm (wrapped by some type of bandana or towel that
   the marchers were wearing) and wait till the dog firmly sinks its
   teeth into your arm (ouch). At that point, put your other arm behind
   the dogs neck, and then then very strongly and swiftly, roll the bitten
   arm back while rolling the other arm forward. This was supposed to kill
   (or at least disable) the dog by snapping its neck.

As far as other "Dog techniques" go, Ive heard that 99% of dogs have
*very-sensitive* noses and that they will retreat if they receive a
firm, direct blow to the snout. Apparently, this doesnt work for
pit bulls.

Another age old "Dog Defense" (so old it is even mentioned in Homer's
Oddyssey) is to simply sit down (or crouch) to the point where your
stature is less than that of the attacking dog. I dont know why but
supposedly the dog wont attack you then. Im not so sure Id be willing
try this one out myself though!
______________________ "And miles to go before I sleep." ______________________
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                            uunet!travis!brad          Fort Lauderdale, FL USA
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Disclaimer: I said it, not my company! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Subject: Re: Mail Order Knives
Organization: National Institutes of Health
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 03:51:17 GMT

In article <154l71INNgdm@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.215144.6829@alw.nih.gov> drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury) writes:
>>I agree.  I carry a Clipit Endura.  Love that funky Spyderco
>>edge.
>
>Yes, but how do you sharpen that funky Spyderco edge?

Well, allegedly they can be sharpened with one of those systems
employing the ceramic sticks with a triangular cross section.
But sharpening my Spyderco edges isn't an issue for me because I
would never cut anything with them except people (barring
occasional test cuts and dire emergencies).  And I don't cut
people often enough to worry about it.  Some folks use their
carry knives for all sorts of mundane chores, but I just can't
see taking that kind of risk.  You might as well hammer nails
with your Glock or trim the hedge with your Katana.
--
Richard A. Drury
drury@helix.nih.gov
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From: fyhg8422@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Frederick Y Huang)
Subject: Re: Gatorade vs. Water vs. Anything Else
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:35:34 GMT

On the subject of sports drinks:  

From what I've read (mostly from issues of Bicycling and Runner's World),
there are some advantages for these sports drinks.  For one thing, a recent
study was done which supposedly shows that sports drinks containing between
7% and 11% carbohydrates (Gatorade is about 7) get absorbed into the body
faster than plain water, so it would replace fluids more quickly.  Also,
it has the advantage over fruit juices in the type of sugars it contains.
In Gatorade, most of the carbohydrates are in the form of glucose, which 
provides energy to the body faster than other forms of sugars, such as 
sucrose and fructose.  It's these latter types that are contained in fruit
juices.  So from an energy standpoint, maybe Gatorade is good.  From a 
fluid replacement standpoint, I don't think it's any better than water.
I know of a few people who say that such sports drinks also give them
stomach aches.  (Maybe the acids in them?)

Hope this helps.

Fred
fred@uigelf.ece.uiuc.edu
From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: years for black belt
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:26:50 GMT
	<1992Jul24.152210.20460@craycos.com>
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: sog@craycos.com's message of 24 Jul 92 15:22:10 GMT


In article <1992Jul24.152210.20460@craycos.com> sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi) writes:

   In article <l6urdoINNpis@nunki.usc.edu> silverma@nunki.usc.edu (David Silverman) writes:
   >How many times does it gnerally take to pass the black belt test?
   >Someone earlier said they passed on the third try, in the art I'm
   >studying you get only one chance (of course they're pretty sure you'll
   >pass if they let you take it).

   What happens if you flunk? Do they use you for tameshigiri or something?

That might be a mercy.  At least it's over with quickly.

At the dojang where I study, testing too soon is a Big Time Bad Idea, 
and judging what "too soon" is, is really up to you.  If you've been
around the dojang enough so the instructors have some idea what's up
with you, and you're not ready, they'll generally tell you so and 
say something like, "You really need to work on X more."  If you 
choose not to take their advice, or if you haven't been coming in
to class so they don't know where you're at, and you decide to
test anyway, well...

You see, they seldom just outright fail someone.  They do something
much more sadistic, which is called a "conditional".  This means
that you'll get your new rank at some time in the future, when 
they've decided you're ready for it.  And then you really have to
get your act together.  Sometimes people can test (for lower ranks,
at least) and be kind of marginal and get away with it, but once
you've got that conditional slapped on you, for ANY rank, you are
going to have to get really good at whatever it was you botched
before you get your new rank.  You have to work at it with seriousness
and patience, and you never know when you'll get your new rank.  I
know of some people who had conditionals for the better part of a 
year.  Then, one day in between classes, sabumnim calls you over 
and gives you your new belt.

The system is a good one, I think.  Getting a conditional seems to
serve as a kind of reality check for a lot of people.  It's humbling, 
and it's discouraging, and some people quit after they get a 
conditional.  The ones who don't, seem to learn a valuable lesson
about letting things happen in their own time, and not based on 
the date of the next promotion test.  I don't know of anyone who
ever got a second conditional.  

I haven't ever got a conditional...yet ;-)
--


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Xref: sparky rec.martial-arts:10129 sci.med:14142 alt.folklore.urban:19301 alt.folklore.science:2774
From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts,sci.med,alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: Hot water
Date: 21 Jul 92 05:01:25 GMT
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

In rec.martial-arts, ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty) writes:
>On the same subject, I've also heard that warm or hot water is
>more readily absorbed into the body than cold.  So the
>general idea being that you should drink warm water to replenish
>your body's water after a workout.
>
>Marty

     So, you sci.med and/or alt.folklore.* people, any input on this?

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From: ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty)
Subject: Re: years for a black belt
Originator: ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:16:14 GMT

sworking@unixg.ubc.ca (Scott Workinger) says:

>But Simon, why do you care?  Does having a black belt make you a better
>fighter?  Do you think that it means you don't need to practice as hard?

>Excellence is not a destination.  It's a journey.

Excellence Is the journey. :)

Marty

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: rwt@stiatl.salestech.com (Roger Terrell)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: When is one experienced enough to teach?
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:05:32 GMT
Organization: Sales Technologies, Inc.


I've been wondering about this, so I thought I would ask for opinions....
At what rank/time/level-of-experience/maturity do you think it is 
acceptable for a person to teach in their style?  Often it happens
that a middle-ranking person moves somewhere where their martial art
is not available, but they want to continue practicing anyway.  They
may decide to start a small club so that they will have the chance
to continue practicing.  At what point do you think this is acceptable?

(No, I'm NOT planning on doing this! :-)

Roger
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From: garry@alice.att.com (garry hodgson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Light Body Techniques
Summary: could be...
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:57:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23334
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ

In article <7711@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>, achou@plasma.icsl.ucla.edu (Albert Chou) writes:


  The other technique, I'm not sure about.  You can obviously change the amount
  of effort it takes to lift you drastically by using the above strategy and
  then suddenly reverting to a tensed-up body structure, but I don't know if
  you can actually make yourself _lighter_.

Well, Michael Jordan would appear to be a good bit heavier than me,
yet he can jump *much* higher.  So he has apparently mastered the
technique of making himself lighter :-)

-- 
Garry Hodgson			A slow winter day
AT&T Bell Labs			A night like forever
garry@alice.att.com		Sink like a stone
att!alice!garry			Float like a feather
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From: dsmythe@netcom.com (Dave Smythe)
Subject: Re: C'hi Kung Training
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 09:22:50 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <EeQlA1W00iU4Q5CVwe@andrew.cmu.edu> Stephen Chan <sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>	I talked with a local guy who teaches qi gong, shiatsu and all
>that stuff. He tells me that the only qi gong systems which are
>dangerous are the ones with rapid, forced breathing.

This is essentially what I've been told.

>	I would guess that the ones with lots of bodily manipulation
>are kind of dangerous too.

Hmmm, what kind of bodily manipulation?  The I Chin Ching is pretty strenous
but I think it's pretty safe (just exhausting and painful).  The Hua To
Dead 5 animal training has quick breathing and movements, but it seems
fairly innocuous.  The Hua To Live 5 animal training has more vigorous
movement, but the worst I could see is maybe getting dizzy; but who knows.
I can see the stuff like hanging big stones from your testicles and
dragging them (I actually saw a photograph of this today -- yechh) could
be harmful, as could be licking hot shovels and stuff.  But who'd want to
do that stuff anyway?  What kind of manipulation are we talking about?
The wierdest stuff I've seen so far (limited experience, granted) is no
worse than meditating while in a headstand or suspended at the head and
feet between two chairs.  This isn't the kind of thing you're talking about,
is it?  (Actually, I've seen wierder stuff, but it's just wierd -- not
IMHO potentially dangerous).

D

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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: ddewar@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (derek.a.dewar)
Subject: Re: karate Kid III
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 08:19:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.133540.13867@sei.cmu.edu> psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:
>
>	1) Why hasn't Ralph Macchio's karate improved over the years?

Because he's crap :-) Well basically, he doesn't do karate, and only 
trained up for the film to get his pitiful techniques up to scratch.
I thought they could have used some better camera angles to make the 
techniques look slightly better.

>I found it really disconcerting to see him getting his butt kicked all the
>time, even though he has been under the care and tutelage of a master for
>years presumably.

Yup, but I thought his character became so naive, I was kind of hoping he
would have had some sense kicked into him, but alas no. The plot went on..

>	2) I haven't been to tournaments, so perhaps some of you can fill
>	   me in: is it common to have "light contact" tourneys and then
>	   allow big take downs and full-force strikes without consequences?


Over here in Europe, WUKO Rules are for controlled contact, but quite 
a few heavy techniques get through, sometimes because the guy walks onto
them, but usually, the offender gets a haisoku, or wazari against him.

The one part of the plot I found completely crap was the :
The Champion only has to fight the final match, bit.
If only.....

Derek A. Dewar
AT&T Network Systems UK Ltd.

ddewar@ihlpb.att.com
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Diff. betweeREAD/NEWn Eastern and Western thought
Date: 30 Jul 92 04:55:11 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1992Jul29.205628.292@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_hilbornrs@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>What's the difference between Western and Eastern thought?
>
>This is an example of Eastern thought:

[Somewhat modified anecdote originally told about Miyamoto Musashi deleted.]

>
>This is an example of Western thought:

[Anecdote as it would be modified by Sergio Leone deleted...]

>
>The difference between Western and Occidental thought is that Occidentals 
>recognize mastery and Westerners have to have everything proven.

I think you're a little dis-orient-ed. Perhaps the confusion is Occidental?

Steve
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: v32397c@saha.hut.fi (Juha Kajanen)
Subject: Re: Books on Chi/Ki  
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 05:34:10 GMT


# william@pilikia.pegasus.com (William Kwok)  wants books that
# talk about Chi (in Chinese) or Ki (in Japanese).

# sworking@unixg.ubc.ca  (Scott Workinger) suggests:
# "The Tao of Tai Chi Chuan" - Jou.

# kckbxr@next08pg2.wam.umd.edu (Robin Hood) points out that William:
# might want to try "A Dictionary of the Martial Arts" by Louis  
# Frederic, translated & edited by Paul Crompton.  The Publisher is 
# Charles E. Tuttle Company. Inc.
# 28 South Main St.
# Rutland, Vermont 05701
# USA

# And I think a very appropriate addition to such a list is:
# _The zen Way to the Martial Arts_, 

There are also couple of books from Tohei sensei:

	Tohei, Koichi
	- Ki in Daily Life
	- Book of Ki: Co-ordinating Mind and Body in Daily Life
	- Kiatsu

and from Maruyama sensei:

	Maruyama, Koretoshi
	- Aikido with Ki (Supervised by Tohei sensei)

//juha

	/     Juha Kajanen	jkajanen@vipunen.hut.fi    / 
	/			v32397c@saha.hut.fi        / 
	/     Helsinki University of Technology (HUT)      /             
	/ Laboratory of engineering geology and geophysics /
From: lund@ssd.kodak.com (Nate Lund)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Mail Order Knives
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:05:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: pixel.1992Jul29.220533.4246
Organization: A little...

In article <10005@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:
>>>In article poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:
>>>>I broke the top off of a Gerber MarkII. And it wasn't very difficult. 
>
>Naw, I just stabbed it into a 1" piece of pine, and off it snapped.
>Piece of shit if you ask me.

Well, there is a reason that axes tend to be more blunt and more
malleable than daggers...  :-)

I snapped the tip of a knife _removing_ it from wood.  I gave it
a slight twist as I pulled, and was surprised to hear it snap.
Since it was my father's knife, there was additional remorse beyond
the simple value of the knife.

I've been thinking about getting a Spyderco Clipit Endura serrated,
but have been a little concerned about the 'evil assault weapon'
psychosis coupled with the sue happy culture, and how it might
look in court.  "Your Honor, he was carrying a _serrated_ knife
_designed_ for _concealed carry_!!!"  Gasp.  Shudder.

Nate
nlund@kodak.com
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From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: years for black belt
Summary: More rite of passage than true physical or technical readiness per se.
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 29 JUL 92 12:13:17    


acevedo@mit.edu (Raul Acevedo) writes...

>In article <MARY.92Jul27162650@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM
>(Mary Malmros) writes: 
> 
>   You see, they seldom just outright fail someone.  They do something
>   much more sadistic, which is called a "conditional".  This means
>   that you'll get your new rank at some time in the future, when 
>   they've decided you're ready for it.  And then you really have to
>   get your act together.  Sometimes people can test (for lower ranks,

>I've often thought that "promotion" like this is better than the
>standard test.  Any other comments? 

When it comes down to it, after all the reasons have been analyzed,
I think it comes down to ritual.  The test is a ceremonial event,
a rite of passage both public and private.

It really has nothing neccessarily to do with skill and technique goals.
I'd have to ask 'why doesn't your instructor already  know what
you can do and what you can't do, why does he/she need to test you 
in a public event just to know what you can do ?'  Unless of course
the test is for a license to be a demonstrator or performer.

If the only legitimate test of your skills and limitations is a 
rank test every few months or years, what's going on in training ?

Otherwise, physical and mental challenges could easily be set up in 
practice without linking them to formal public testing procedures.   

For the ostensible goal of establishing someone's performance
capacity at skills and conditioning, behavioral goals could easily
be set up and met in the course of training.  The only thing missing
would be the crowd and the circus atmosphere of the ceremonial.  
But that aspect is an important part of the culture in many schools.

						kind regards,
							todd
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Subject: karate Kid III
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:35:40 GMT


Okay so KKIII just came to TV and I watched it finally.  It was panned so
badly in reviews that I didn't bother with it when it came out.  I really
didn't mind it so much though, even though it's weaknesses were aplenty. And
so I have some questions:

	1) Why hasn't Ralph Macchio's karate improved over the years?

I found it really disconcerting to see him getting his butt kicked all the
time, even though he has been under the care and tutelage of a master for
years presumably.

	2) I haven't been to tournaments, so perhaps some of you can fill
	   me in: is it common to have "light contact" tourneys and then
	   allow big take downs and full-force strikes without consequences?

I also found it disconcerting not only at how bad Ralph Macchio was, but how
*much* worse he was than the competitor in the competition.  Clearly
Macchio/Larruso did not deserve a title, at least not on the basis of skill.

My rewrite of the sequel would have placed the hero on a much higher level if
possible.  Hell, they make Morita look really great (even though he knows no
martial arts), certainly they could have done the same with the lad.  

	3) I am also curious if any of you have had experience with a truly
	   evil instructor, like the character (Kreese) in the movie?

So many people are looking for "Kwai Chang Caine," but I wonder how many times
that ends up being a some real low life.  I think there are innumerable
sheisters out there.  

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From: dccarr@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (david.c.carr)
Subject: Re: karate Kid III
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:07:24 GMT

From article <1992Jul23.133540.13867@sei.cmu.edu>, by psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell):
> 
> Okay so KKIII just came to TV and I watched it finally.  It was panned so
> badly in reviews that I didn't bother with it when it came out.  I really
> didn't mind it so much though, even though it's weaknesses were aplenty. And
> so I have some questions:
> 
> 	1) Why hasn't Ralph Macchio's karate improved over the years?

Or Larruso's attitude - I couldn't stand the character's over-hormoned,
over-emotional whining.

> 	2) I haven't been to tournaments, so perhaps some of you can fill
> 	   me in: is it common to have "light contact" tourneys and then
> 	   allow big take downs and full-force strikes without consequences?

Here in the midwest (Chicagoland and roundabouts), takedowns
are not allowed.  Full-force strikes are grounds for either your
opponent being awarded 1 point (2 excessive contact points and you're
disqualified) or immediate disqualification - referee's choice.


Dave Carr
isshin shorinji ryu okinawa te
ronin, wa bun bushi no michi
"Don't push the river, but don't pull no punches."
david.c.carr@att.com
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From: seah@fraser.sfu.ca (Simon Seah)
Subject: cinema monk's weapon
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 08:03:00 GMT

In yet another of those silly kung fu movies I chanced to watch,
I saw this shaolin (or whatever) monk carry a honking huge polearm.
It was essentially a metal staff with a ball like thing on top made of
curved metal bars, and had chains depending from it.
This was quite a long time ago, so I've forgotten what movie it was.
A friend of mine tells me it's a real weapon (ie. it did exist at one time).
My question is, what is it?  Gimme a name or point me to a book.

Thanks

Simon
-just for fun
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From: mrb@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (m..bruncati)
Subject: Judo and Tai Chi?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:14:44 GMT



Greetings,

Tomorrow I'm taking my first Judo class, at the school where 
it is taught they also teach Tai Chi.  I want to know if there
would be any conflict between the two styles - In other words
is this a stupid idea? I mean I'm looking
at Tai Chi for it's overall health benefits and Judo as a more
immediate means for conditioning and
self defense (by immediate I mean years as
opposed to Tai Chi - the 20 year exercise) plus I'm very
interested in Tai Chi and it's something I can do when I'm
80.  

I'm 36 and was involved with TKD a few years back
but kept getting injured but don't believe that Judo and Tai Chi
would be too physically taxing for me (famous last words).
Any input would be greatly appreciated.


Michael
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