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From: news@sequent.com (News on Muncher)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Maury Povich Show: She Wants To Be White
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:48:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Apr13.174840.5534
Organization: .

In article <1992Apr13.005510.1@mscf.med.upenn.edu> mills_j@mscf.med.upenn.edu writes:

>in case you were, I gotta ask.  What is white music?  Lawrence Welk?  But

 Nice try.  Which black musician did Beethoven and Bach copy?  This is
 white music.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:4545 talk.politics.misc:18009
From: imcc@cs.strath.ac.uk (Iain McCord)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Blacks Are Not Cost Effective
Date: 13 Apr 92 10:01:24 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Scotland.


  It should perhaps be noted that imprisoning someone is a service required
by those who do the imprisoning, not by the prisoner.

		~~~~~/\~~~~~
Iain McCord	~~~~/()\~~~~	Mon Apr 13 11:01:22 WET DST 1992
		~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: timlee@public.btr.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: School Choice Re: Tinika's Story
Date: 5 Apr 92 20:56:57 GMT
Reply-To: timlee@btr.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american

robart@agora.uucp (Robert Barton) writes:
|
|  Interesting story.  There was a movement here in Oregon a couple years ago
|to allow parental choice in schools but it was voted down, with the
|opponents' main argument being that the schools would practice "discrimination".

Rich people already have a choice:  either their assigned public school,
or any nearby private school.  Poor people often don't have such a
choice -- they can't afford the private schools.

Self interest on the part of public and private school administrators
and teachers slimes up any discussion on school choice.  Private
schools want voucher money, and public schools don't want to lose
their monopoly.  A school voucher initiative hasn't even gotten on
the ballot in California, but private and public schools are already
trying to get their students to convince their parents to sign petitions
or not sign petitions to put it on the ballot.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:4504 talk.politics.misc:17659
From: guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu (Stanford Guillory)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Blacks Are Not Cost Effective
Date: 10 Apr 92 08:06:50 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: bach.crhc.uiuc.edu

news@sequent.com (News on Muncher) writes:

>In article <1992Apr8.172730.6800@meaddata.com> lisat@meaddata.com (Lisa Turner) writes:

>>|>   likely to commit criminal acts."
>>
>>     ... But, whites are more likely to be mass murderers and demise and
>>     enslave whole races of people. She needs to check out what cost
>>     her own race needs to bear.

>  What makes you so certain that  she's caucasian?

The fact that she is trying to pass the buck?

Stanford S. Guillory
sguillor@pcocd2.intel.com
From: daj@reef.cis.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Maury Povich Show: She Wants To Be White
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:31:33 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

In article <1992Apr13.174840.5534@sequent.com> news@sequent.com (News on Muncher) writes:

#  Nice try.  Which black musician did Beethoven and Bach copy?  This
# is white music.

The fact that a white man wrote it doesn't mean it belongs to white
people.  If you want to take credit for Bach and Beethoven, then
you'll also have to take credit for the Spanish Inquisition, Hitler,
the African slave trade, Jeffrey Dahmer, and George Bush.

David


Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:4543 talk.politics.misc:17993
From: robart@agora.uucp (Robert Barton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Unconstitutional federal spending
Date: 12 Apr 92 09:25:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.1992Apr12.092556.2358
Organization: Organization

In article <Yds5mya00WBKE2MrAm@andrew.cmu.edu> dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway) writes:
>   robart@agora.uucp (644)    
>>>host of social programs that EVERY other industrialized nation (with the
>>>exceptiopn of S. Africa) in the world has.
>>>
>>>Any disagreemnet with this last solution?
>> 
>>  Yes.  It's unconstitutional.
>
>Where, prithee, tell me, is it unconstitutional to provide these things?


  I believe it is Article 1, Section 8.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 07:48:57 EDT
From: <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: F**k y'all

  I think now I have your attention.  Why don't we just change the name of this
network to soc.culture.african.american.discrimination, because unless someone
is dissing us because of our color you people don't seem to care or respond!
I posted something about Arthur Ashe and the fact that this network is
silent about the AIDS issue. I have also posted a while back about drugs and
guns and what it is doing to us and again, little to no response.  But let
someone come on here and call us names, incompentent or say that we are
"not cost effective" and one hundred posts come out of the closet.  OUR
BIGGEST PROBLEM NOW IS OUR INABILITY TO LOOK PAST DISCRIMINATION AND LOOK
INWARD.
  Aids is something that we are doing to ourselves.  I, in this post, do not
care if it was an experiment gone haywire (which I believe to be the case), the
fact is WE are getting the disease in numbers that are disproportionate to our
representation in the population.  Why is it our fault?  Well except for cases
like Mr. Ashe's, the ways to contract AIDS can be avoided.  As I said in the
previous post, our teen pregnancy problem and AIDS go hand in hand, if our
teens continue to practice unsafe sex, AIDS will eventually kill us off.  Drugs
and guns are killing us off.  If a 14 year old kid is asked "what do you want
to be doing at 25?" and he answers "Be alive", then something is really wrong!
(Washington Post, this past Sunday, or maybe last Sunday).  Is that all
we have to hope for.  We can't blame "Uncle Charlie" and "The Conspiracy" for
everything!  I have lost a Godfather due to AIDS and a brother due to Black
on Black crime and I am sure there are many of you out there who can likewise
attest to the fact that if we don't WAKE UP we aren't going to survive far
into the next century!  It is up to us, the future leaders of the Black
community to do what the current leaders of the Black community are failing to
do, and that is address the problems that are plaquing us.  Yes, we should
still fight racial discrimination whereever it rears its ugly head, but we
should also look within and fight Black on Black violence, we should educate
our people on the dangers of AIDS and how to prevent catching it, we should
inform our young boys and girls about the shortsightedness of having babies
before you are emotionally and mentally ready, we should inform ALL our people
of the fact that by doing drugs we are playing into "The Conspiracy's" hands,
and finally we should impress on our young that EDUCATION is the way to uplift
the race!   I am disappointed in this network for our failure to talk about
these issues.  Discrimination against us should be fought at all times, but
is that all we are about?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: lisat@meaddata.com (Lisa Turner)
Subject: Re: Blacks Are Not Cost Effective
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:21:09 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article ,  writes:
|> In article <1992Apr7.232404.17407@petunia.csc.calpoly.edu>, dgross@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Dave Gross) writes:
|> |>   Excerpted from _Napa Writer Blames Blackness for Crime_
|> |>   by Ron Sonenshine
|> |>   San Francisco Chronicle (April 6, 1992)
|> |>   --
|> |>   A Napa author has filed another salvo in the burgeoning race war,
|> |>   arguing in a new book that the nation's annual $300 billion crime tab
|> |>   is essentially a black problem for which blacks alone should pay.
|> |> 
|> |>   "I'm not saying all blacks are criminals.  But blacks are, after all, more,
|> |>   likely to commit criminal acts."
|> 
      ... But, whites are more likely to be mass murderers and demise and
      enslave whole races of people. She needs to check out what cost
      her own race needs to bear.
  


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From: alves@celece.ucsd.edu (Ralph Alves)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: RE:F**k y'all
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:51:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UCSD Division of Engineering


     The poster had some good points to make. To me, it seems that
there aren't enough SPECIFIC problems being discussed. Most of the
discussions have been about who we are and who we're not. It's
almost as though we're still trying to define ourselves after all
these years. We complain about being put into categories by others,
yet we seem to be labeling ourselves in terms of how we speak, how
we look, what music we listen to, etc.
     I don't think many would disagree that we are a diverse
people. Some groups think we need to find our cultural identity
through history. They think we could solve all our problems, change
our existing condition by re-writing the records. I wish it were
that simple. I don't wish to knock anyone, I hope scholars continue
to find conflicting evidence, but does it really matter if
Cleopatra was Black? We don't need to justify our existence. Who
started that game? If my father was a killer does that mean I have
less right to exist than the child of a saint? I don't know about
you, but I've changed a lot in the last three centuries. 
     We have so many of our people rhetorically divided, arguing
about theory. I don't remember the person who posted the story
about the street-corner dealer that was driven off by a
neighborhood alliance, but I think that was a good example of the
specific problem I'm talking about. The poster of F**k y'all also
brought up some specific issues.
     The members of that drug-infested neighborhood might have been
made up of people who like/hate rap, are religious/atheists, light-
skinned/dark-skinned, gay/straight or whatever. The important thing
is that they saw a specific problem and agreed on a specific
solution. I think we all need to stop long enough to recognize
exactly what is bothering us at this very moment, in our own
environment. What is the immediate problem facing each of us? We
are diverse, so the particular problems will be diverse. Can we
solve the problem ourselves or do we need help, if so, from whom?
Can a friend help us or do we need a representative/leader and if
so, how do we contact her/him?
     If we know what the specific problem is and are able to do
something about it and choose not to, then we are the problem - it
really doesn't matter how it all got started, or when.
     To the people who can speak real street talk - write something
positive for those who understand it. To the historians - don't
write just for us on the net who are mostly very literate. Let
those with a marginal reading capacity enjoy your discoveries.
Don't publish only for your colleagues. I'm not saying that nobody
is dealing with the real world - I would never assume that. I just
want to be able to say that we have some control of our lives
without having someone tell me that I'm an over 35 conservative who
never had to pay his dues.
	Ralph Alves
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: st902523@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (David Miller)
Subject: gay right
Reply-To: st902523@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:20:12 GMT

I'm Black and heterosexual and I'm a Pan-Afircanist.  McCoy Tyner writes that
he doesn't think gay rights belong on the agenda of BLacks in our struggle for upliftment.  My personal opinion on this is how can we come together as a 
people with the same goal in mind if we ignore some becuase their sexual
preference is different from ours (as individuals). If we are ever going to 
come to a collective power, everyone must try and unify with everyone else--
regardless.

Maybe it's me but I just fail to see how promoting gay rghts will infringe on
the right of the heterosexual community.  They are Black people just as the 
rest of us.  They are just as oppressed as we are.  As a matter of fact, they are a little worse off because their sexual differs from what's the norm and 
what's accepted.

I don't go out protesting for gay rights necessarily but my philosophy is this:  Everyone to their own as long as they don't get in my way.  When the issue of
gay rights begins to impede my progress adn search for equality and success (
if it eer could)  THEN I'll begin to have a problem.

Peace
From: rb3a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rhonda E. Burton-Arnold)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: African Blood Prerequisite?
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:51:44 GMT
Organization: Vice President for Academic Services, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>In article <f9nE02G70fgr01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>
kls30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com write
>s:
>>Nice try, but Beethoven and others had some African blood.
>>During the time of Beethoven it was very commmon for African royalty
>>to be in Europe.  There are numerous poets, composers, etc. with
>>African blood.
> 
>  Good reasoning.  Having Afrikan royalty present in Europe during the
> 16th Century makes all great Europeans part Afrikan.   
> 
>  There are numerous "poets, composers, etc" without too.  Can't you
> admit that a Caucasian is capable of greatness without "African blood"?

I interpreted this just as it was stated..."There are numerous poets,
composers, etc. with African blood" who were great...what's wrong with
that?  I fail to see where anyone was saying that African blood is a
prerequisite for Caucasions to be capable of greatness, or that because
Blacks were in Europe that all great Europens must be part African.

There was discussion about a year ago about Beethoven's ancestry...I
recall from the posts the description of Beethoven is that he had a very
dark complexion, wirey beard and stubble, wooly hair, and an extremely
wide nose and thick lips and was defined as "a very ugly man", by those
who did the labeling and defining.  I didn't keep copies of the thread,
but it was extremely interesting and opened my eyes.  

All too often, when Blacks take credit for our contributions to society
as a whole or even to the fine arts in general, insecurity takes over to
conclude that we "Black people" are trying to steal what was stolen and
concealed from us in the past.
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Black History Week Postings
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:20:43 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory


I've been pretty lame about that recently.  Sorry, I'll do better
starting now.  Below is April 1 thru April 12.

Today is Monday April 6, 1992. [I wish]

(My comments are in brackets:  [])


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

April 1      Dr Charles Richard Drew, scientist,  discovered blood plasma.   
             North Caroline Mutual opened doors for business, 1899

April 2     

April 3      Dr Matthew Ricketts, first Black man elected to Nebraska State
                Legislature (from Omaha), born 1858 [actually, this may be
                1958--anyone have any info?]

April 4      Dr Martin Luther King Jr, civil rights leader, assasinated
                1929 - 1968

April 5      Booker T Washington, educator and founder of Tuskegee Institute,
                born 1856 - 1915

April 6      Matthew Henson explorer in expedition of six to reach North
                Pole, 1909

April 7      Billie Holiday, blues singer, born 1917 in E. Baltimore

April 8

April 9      Paul Robeson, actor, scholar, singer, born 1898 - 1976

April 10 

April 11     Spelman College founded 1881
             Percy L Julian, chemist whose research helped create drugs
                for treatment of artritis, born 1899

April 12     Civil War began at Fort Sumter, Charleston SC 1861

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From: dale@dale.CAM.ORG (Dale Wharton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Wordsworth on L'Ouverture
Date: 13 Apr 92 01:54:11 GMT
Organization: none

William Wordsworth, once England's poet laureate, composed
several "sonnets dedicated to liberty."  It surprised me
to learn that 190 years ago--in August 1802--he wrote this
one to a historic figure who may be almost forgotten nowadays,
the Haitian liberator Toussaint L'Ouverture:

TOUSSAINT, the most unhappy Man of Men!
  Whether the rural Milk-maid by her Cow
  Sing in thy hearing, or thou liest now
Alone in some deep dungeon's earless den
O miserable chieftain!  where and when
  Wilt thou find patience?  Yet die not; do thou
  Wear rather in thy bonds a chearful brow:
Though fallen Thyself, never to rise again,
  Live, and take comfort.  Thou hast left behind
    Powers that will work for thee; air, earth, and skies;
  There's not a breathing of the common wind
    That will forget thee; thou hast great allies;
    Thy friends are exultations, agonies,
  And love, and Man's unconquerable mind.
--
dale@dale.cam.org     M O N T R E A L     Te souviens-tu?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: clg1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Christopher L Gray)
Subject: Re: Maury Povich Show: She Wants To Be White
Keywords: You beta bet...
Organization: The Deephouse Project
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 00:06:05 GMT


From: mills_j@mscf.med.upenn.edu:

>Okay, I can understand the Gheri-curl thing (least I can see where it 
>would be acting white), but you lose me with this "white music." idea.
>You probably weren't being totally serious when you wrote about it, but
>in case you were, I gotta ask.  What is white music?

To me, there is no *white* music per se, but the common netter understands
what I mean..i.e..rock.. I don't want to argue semantics.
Rock is a mutation of rock-n-roll, the real thing.

>Is blues white music?

NEVER EVER let those words pass again.
If people here in the Delta heard that, they would hunt you down.
Blues progressed from negro spirituals, which came from field hollers(slaves)
which mutated from Afrika!


>Every blues concert I've been
>to (from B.B. King to Bobby Bland) has had predominantly white audiances,
>and most blues performers (black or white) have at least some white mu-
>sicians backing them.


>It certainly  doesn't make the music *white*.  Country music
>is an attempt by whites to sing the blues.  Just listen.
>Why can't music just be music?  Can't we have at least
>one thing in this country that people aren't always trying to bleach or
>color?

Ok..question for you... when are we going to see this Utopia where nothing is
judged or labelled?

I believe that Blak ppl created it all.


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From: kls30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kent L Shephard)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Maury Povich Show: She Wants To Be White
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:46:54 GMT
Reply-To: kls30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Apr13.174840.5534@sequent.com> news@sequent.com (News on Muncher) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.005510.1@mscf.med.upenn.edu> mills_j@mscf.med.upenn.edu writes:
>
>>in case you were, I gotta ask.  What is white music?  Lawrence Welk?  But
>
> Nice try.  Which black musician did Beethoven and Bach copy?  This is
> white music.

Nice try, but Beethoven and others had some African blood.
During the time of Beethoven it was very commmon for African royalty
to be in Europe.  There are numerous poets, composers, etc. with
African blood.

Not trying to claim credit only set the record straight.
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 20:32:34 CDT
From: <U49146@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: F**k y'all

>
>
>In article <92105.074857KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>, <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> says:

>>silent about the AIDS issue. I have also posted a while back about drugs and
>>guns and what it is doing to us and again, little to no response.  But let
>>someone come on here and call us names, incompentent or say that we are
>>"not cost effective" and one hundred posts come out of the closet.  OUR
>>BIGGEST PROBLEM NOW IS OUR INABILITY TO LOOK PAST DISCRIMINATION AND LOOK
>>INWARD.
>
>Okay, I agree with you here.
>
>

Sorry but after reading that again, I don't think I really agree.  If you take
the past infront of discrimnation out, then I do.

Sofia
From: mmoore@ux.acs.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: F**k y'all
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:54:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux.1992Apr16.205407.25110
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <92107.081344KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
$In article <92106.203234U49146@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U49146@uicvm.uic.edu> says:
$>>>BIGGEST PROBLEM NOW IS OUR INABILITY TO LOOK PAST DISCRIMINATION AND LOOK
$>>>INWARD.
$>>
$>>Okay, I agree with you here.
$>
$>Sorry but after reading that again, I don't think I really agree.  If you take
$>the past infront of discrimnation out, then I do.
$
$  I apologize, I meant "pass" not "past", sorry!  But by reading the sentence
$you can see that I, in no way, mean to infer that discrimination is in the
$past!

No no no!! You had it right the first time!

When you look past discrimination that means you are not concentrating on
discrimination, you're overlooking it. You were right when you said that people
on scaa basically are too worried about stupid motherf&*$(#s coming on here
talkin bout "White is beautiful, black ain't shit" and aren't concentrated
enough on issues worthy of discussion. 

A drawing, to wit:

		    DISCRIMINATION
					      -------------> O   <-INWARD	
 ^   ^	      -------------------------------/
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