HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: adam@owlnet.rice.edu (Adam Justin Thornton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,alt.butt.harp
Subject: Re: ISLAMIC WORLD NEWS (28th)
Date: 4 Sep 92 01:42:20 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.arabic
Organization: Milo's Meadow

This discussion does not belong in alt.butt.harp.

Adam
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"Man is conceived in sin and born in corruption and he passeth from the
 stink of the didie to the stench of the shroud.  There is _always_
 something." -- Robert Penn Warren | Vote Cthulhu in '92! | adam@rice.edu
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Subject: Re: Answering Mr Nabil
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 19:45:40 GMT

>Are you suggesting that the Gulf Arabs were before the invasion of
>Kuwait less committed to aiding Palestinians than other Arabs?  In
>fact, they have generally represented the Palestinian cause to the
>West better than any other Arabs.  I also have to point out that
>supporting the oil embargo was a lot easier for countries like Syria
>or Yemen to support which lost no sales revenue during the period of
>the embargo.  What did supporting the oil embargo cost Arab countries
>which have no oil?
>

I am talking about all the Arab leaders in general. They pretend to support 
the Palestinians cause just to hold on to their thrones.

>
>In any case if the US is to engage in major social political
>engineering, would it not make more sense for the US to rank as a
>higher priority the eradication of the current Iraqi
>social-political-cultural system which seems the basis for major
>oppression, aggression and genocide?  De-baathification would be
>analogous to de-nazification.
>

I agree. But they had a bigger chance in establishing democracy in 
Kuwait after the Liberation.         

>The Kuwaitis and other Gulf Arabs sought the assistence of the US and
>aided the US in the liberation of Kuwait, Kuwaitis and Kuwaiti
>property from Iraqi aggression.  What is your problem with this
>behavior?  How would you have acted differently if you had been in
>their situation.
>

I don't have any problem with this behaviour. My problem is way before 
Saddam invaded Kuwait. When the Palestinian Arabs were treated like 
foreigners in the Gulf States:

1> No right for permanent residency. ( Persians are O.K>) to have citizenship.

2> No right to buy a house.

3> No right to have a business unless with a local partner.

4> Children of Palestinians who were born in Kuwait have to leave
   the country after the age of 18.

5> Deny Palestinians from obtaining a visit visa while Europeans can
   get it at the airport.

and so on ....

>
>Of course, you are more comfortable here.  Americanism is superior to
>Arab-Islamic culture and for the good of all Middle Eastern peoples
>and the world in general, Americanism must one day supplant
>Arab-Islamic culture in the Middle East and North Africa.
>

Culture does not have to do anything with it. I love my culture. It is the
greedy rulers of the Middle East who stick on their thrones forever by force
who make our culture look bad.

-- 
Nabil Idriss                           |       FOR EVERY ACTION AN OPPOSITE  
NCR - Midrange Products Division       |       AND EQUAL REACTION.
      Columbia, South Carolina         |      
email: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM |
From: ilyess@davinci.concordia.ca (Ilyess Bdira)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Spoken Arabic
Keywords: language
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:58:42 GMT
Organization: ECE - Concordia University

In article <1992Aug27.171252.23388@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mmokhtar@attmail.com (Mazen Mokhtar) writes:
>In article <3883@keele.keele.ac.uk> cla02@seq1.keele.ac.uk (R. Wallace) writes:
>
>>The countries I regularly visit are Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Palestine,
>>Morocco, Algieria, Tunisia, and Libya. Obviously, this covers a wide
>>spectrum of vernaculars. Which would be the best bet to choose?
>
>>Which would be most widely understood?

Every dialect is mostly understood in the region it is spoken,
Egyptian dialect is not by any measure the closest dialect to
Arabic, but it is understood by people who watch movies since
Egypt is the ARab hollywood..

I do not advise you to adopt any dialect because you are safer
with standard Arabic because it is understood by most people
you will meet (and certanly most people who would understand
a dialect other than theirs).

Here is a personal evaluation of the different dialects:
1)Egyptian: as far as pronunciation of letters and vocabulary it
is the farthest lanaguage to the standard Arabic, this is due
historically to the non Arab influence (Turkish, Copt, different
nationalities who ruled Egypt), People of higher Egypt are actually 
closer to Arabic although they are less understood to their lack of T.V 
exposure.

2)Bedouin dialect: (I never met any of them, but I was told
that they speak a dialect that is very close to classical Arabic.
these bedouins exist in Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and within the current borders
of Israel. People of Hijaz and Najd spoke two different dialects that were also
close to Arabic before this century.
3)Maghrebi dialect: This existed in Tunisia and ALgeria before the French
invasion. After the french left, In Tunisia the french vocabulary that was
added was minimal except in some westernized minorities. In ALgeria
the effects of 131 years of French clonization was very big, but people
either speack french or their original dialect (sometimes in the same paragraph)
so you can't call that a dialect.. The original Algerian and Tunisian dialect
was very close to standard Arabic in vocabulary (although it used some 
Arabic words that are not frequently used in Mashriq) but the pronunciation
of the words (not the letters) and the speed of the speach are some major
impediments.. (examples: Lahm becomes Lham, Qalam becomes Qlam, etc..).
4) Shami dialect (given by Mr. Mokhtar).

So if you learn the major four groups above, then you will be an expert!
>
>  Shami, Iraqi and Egyptian dialects are acceptable and easily recognized.
>By shami I am refering to the dialects of Syria, Jordan, Palestine and
>Lebanon.

This sentence applies to Mashriq only (there are 100 million Arabs outside
the Mashriq. about 50%) Mashriq here includes Egypt.
The first time I watched a SYrian soap (Sah Annom) I could not understand one 
word (although by the forth episode we could understand most of what they said).

>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Are Algerian people ARABIC ?????
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:00:20 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Sep1.144932.24586@bnrmtl.bnr.ca> mokhtar@bmtlh196.BNR.CA (Mokhtar Amalou) writes:
>
>I would like to have the opinions of arabic netters about the Algerian
society roots

A very articulate and intelligent Maghrib man :) in one of my political
science classes, presented a very interesting argument today to our
professor.  The professor stated, in general, that the Arabs are all
one nationality - whether they are Syrian, Palestinian, Morocan, or
Algerian - that basically, all the North African states are considered
part of the Middle East - or a periphery of.

So this man said that it wasn't true.  That the North African peoples
are really African, despite the 'Arab invasion' - and since that eight
century span, the the mixture of Arab, French and Spanish blood has
created a diversity in their ethnic origin.

I also heard of differences of opinion depending on what country
you are from.

But we are all brothers (and sisters), right?

Anisa
From: B.Kumar@cs.ucl.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: QQQ: Islamic Answers To Uncomfortable Questions
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:42:09 GMT





It has been seen that on various newsgroups people keep raising many
uncomfortable questions about Islam, Mohammed and Quran. This pattern
has repeated itself over last several years causing too much traffic
on several cultural newsgroups which are in no way connected with
religious discussion.

To all those people who want to raise any uncomfortable probing
questions on Islam, here is compiled answers to all such questions.
This list has been compiled by observing answers over long period
of time by a panel of islamic experts (who incidentally are currently
in hide due to death threats from some tolerant followers of God ne 
Allah.:-)").


 (HEALTH WARNING: ONLY FOR SPRITUALLY INCLINED PEOPLE)







QUESTION: ^%&%#$^%(*()*^^%Y^%)(*&*)(&(*&(Y&(R^%%$^&T& ?? 
         (Actually question does not matter )

ANSWERS: Actually, you can program your computer to generate answer picking
randomly one of the theories given below: 

a) XYZ theory. ( Ruler X is unislamic, State Y is unislamic, Action Z is 
unislamic) and hence.... 

b)"Lunatic's Theory" - Action X  is actually jew's conspiracy and hence.... 

c)"Random Throw Theory" - The Crusade did  X Too, Religion ZZ did
this too, No other religion YY this too? and hence.... 

d) "Void Theory" - Actually there is no "islamic state" and hence....

y) "Barking Dog Theory"- Have you seen your own religion QQ which has
X, Y and Z, and hence....


:-) :-)  :-) for humour impaired

All flames will be passed to Mr Salman Rushdie for further action.

Cheers,

bkumar
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: lhermi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lotfi Hermi)
Subject: teston only
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 18:37:50 GMT

this is only a test--
From: hallabou@slate.mines.colorado.edu (ALLABOUN HUSSEIN RAJI )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: testing
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:38:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado School of Mines


  This is a test please ignore.
From: jcc@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Request for information
Date: 28 Aug 92 10:13:12 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Greetings to you all!
I am a graduate student at the University of Waikato in New Zealand. I am
currently doing a course in Intercultural Communication, and as part of the
course, I have to prepare a sizeable paper on a culture of my choice, describe
this culture especially with regard to how people in this culture communicate
(not just language, but non-verbal communication such as body language etc),
and how to improve communication across the cultural barrier to this culture.

I have decided to study village life in the Middle East. My family comes from
a village in the Lebanon. I would really appreciate any information at all that
anyone could provide me. Thanks for reading this, and I look forward to hearing
from some of you.

God be with you,
John Corban.
jcc@waikato.ac.nz

ps. if anyone is interested in writing to me, my address is: 16 Forest Lake
Road, Hamilton, New Zealand.
From: malek@pi.titech.ac.jp (Zidouri Abdelmalek 03/95)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: QQQ: Islamic Answers To Uncomfortable Questions
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:51:31 GMT
Organization: Tokyo Institute of Tech., Precision and Intelligence Lab., Japan
In-reply-to: B.Kumar@cs.ucl.ac.uk's message of 25 Aug 92 22:42:09 GMT

In article <2913@ucl-cs.uucp> B.Kumar@cs.ucl.ac.uk writes:

[Only stuff that is WORTH reading is  NOT deleted]

>   
>   QUESTION: ^%&%#$^%(*()*^^%Y^%)(*&*)(&(*&(Y&(R^%%$^&T& ?? 

[and this line below which should be read bi-al-arabia wa bi-tasaruf:
 such that  k -----> h]

>   bkumar
>   ----------------------------------

  
Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:3505 talk.bizarre:28609
From: rdc@netcom.com (Rachel Dafni Christy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: ISLAMIC WORLD NEWS (28th)
Date: 3 Sep 92 00:34:30 GMT
Organization: 'Ex-Biology Grad Student, Student of Life.

rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:

>Democracy or not, Roger, Isreal is in FLAGRANT VIOLATION of dozens of UN
>resolutions, including the very resolution that created the Isreali state.
>
>And until there is an Arab government in this area co-existing with the 
>Israeli government, they will still be in violation. regardless of what 
>the arabs do, if Israel does not allow the creation of a Palestinian state,
>they are in violation of international law.
>

Incorrect.  Israel had long agreed to a Palestinian state as the UN
suggested.  Israel agreed to the 50% split.  The arabs refused.
Later, Israel agreed to live with only 20% of Palestine.  The arabs
refused.  These offers span from the 1920's to 1967, each time the
arabs refused the existence of a Jewish homeland or negotiations.  I
have the precise areas and dates that the Israeli's were willing to
accept if you'd like.  It is common knowlege and public fact that the
Arab nations were the onces refusing the UN resolutions.  

Further, I might add that 3/4th of Jordan is Palestinian and that
Jordan is the palestinian state.

so, once again suck eggs you homosexual anglo-saxon freak.

hugs.
-- 
--
cj gypsy
Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:3487 soc.culture.african:4508 soc.culture.afghanistan:922
From: merigh@cpac.washington.edu (Mohamed Merigh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Re: Egypt and Muslim countries to uplift Human disaster in Somalia
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:05:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: bailey.MERIGH.92Sep1150518
	<BtwzoB.Jrs@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
Organization: Univ. of Washington, Seattle



	Conclusion:

		A psychoanalysit's couch is not the only place to produce 
		material like this.

Moh&
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.afghanistan
From: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta)
Subject: Re: Egypt and Muslim countries to uplift Human disaster in Somalia
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:33:46 GMT

In article <180cl7INNr7d@shape.mps.ohio-state.edu> hermi@shape.mps.ohio-state.edu (Lotfi Hermi) writes:

I love this guy's postings! They just make my day! :-) :-) 
Look at some of the stuff he writes below:

>"Give to Jihad and leave the hungry to die. " said the paramount Cheikh.
>"Cheikh Ibn Taymiyya was comparing Islam's dignity to the death of a few 
>thousand," the paramount Cheikh added. 
[....]
>Speaking to a large crowd of revolutionary guards, the Grand Mufti of Egypt 
>added," In Islamic jurisprudence, you are allowed to sacrifice two thirds of
> the population so that the other third can live under the banner of Islam." 
[....]
> the " sanctity of the blood of a Muslim is more sacred than the 
>house of Allah, but what can we do, we have to prioritize our goals." 
[....]
> "Some people might argue that the ongoing war in Bosnia 
>is not a Jihad," he said,"but we say that the one who dies defending his 
>wealth is a martyr, the one who dies defending his honor is a martyr." 

If you dare flame him, I will flame you..:-) :-) :-)

-- 
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Bitnet:   kautaj@iubacs.bitnet         
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:3499 talk.bizarre:28549
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Re: ARAB/IRANIAN --Harmony
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 16:33:38 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati


kamran hakim says:

[stuff deleted]

>To promote love and harmony between Islamic countries the religious leaders
>MUST stop interfering with politics and MUST refrain from agitating the 
>emotions of the masses of their followers. Religious leaders must focus
>on their task which is the spiritual development of the community. A
>spiritually developed community will of necessity be capable of erecting
>a very capable government. 
>
>Therefore, Islam's effect on politics MUST be through the betterment of 
>the characters of individual Muslims rather than direct interference with 
>politics. Implementation of the laws of the Qur'an in any country whether 
>Shi'ah or Sunni without the presence of the most fundamental religious 
>characteristics such as truthfulness, mercy, justice, respect, tolerance, 
>etc..., etc..., in the hearts of the individual members of that society, 
>and the members of its government is like a body without a soul or a house 
>built on sand. It will only be a source of hate, resentment and disharmony 
>both within and abroad as clearly exemplified throughout the Muslim world.
>
>The goal in this reply has been to make an observation and not criticism.
>
>Warm regards,
>
>Kamran Hakim

I quite agree, with kamran. Islam will be a failure if people don't want to
practice it. I know of one country where the zakat system has been a complete
joke, there are two reasons for that. The haves do not want to give to the
have nots, and the money that is receieved is not properly distributed by the
ones in authority. They pocket the money for themselves. So basically kamran is
right, if people stop telling the truth, loving their neighbors, taking care 
of their families, being merciful to others, respect other people, then the
society is nowhere.

sincerely

zafar

Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.afghanistan
From: buis@buengc.bu.edu (Biomed Dept I.S.L.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: spelling error/?
Date: 28 Aug 92 07:40:51 GMT
Reply-To: buis@buengc.bu.edu (Lou Buis)
Followup-To: soc.culture.bulgaria
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <keadbka00WBOQ9=oV8@andrew.cmu.edu> jo25+@andrew.cmu.edu 
(Jerry A Okoko) writes:

>Excuse me guys for a moment while you debate the lingering qestion of
>Macedonia-- But exactly does this one guy keep referring to Bulgaria as
>Boulgaria? Any special reasons? 


	The guy is probably Greek and is using the Greek orthography 
	by mistake to write English.

	In Greek Bulgaria is written: Boulgaria (note that B is "beta" 
	and is pronounced "V", and the stress is on "i")

	ou -  (omicron, ipsilon) is pronounced "u" (similar to French "ou")

	Bulgarian in Greek will be: Boulgaros (pronounced Vulgaros, with
	the stress on "u")


	Regards,

		Lou
From: lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Their Highness - the Bored Bulgarians (was Re: Re:.... Macedonia)
Date: 2 Sep 92 08:44:13 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <1992Sep2.000139.16411@sarah.albany.edu> es182@albnyvms.bitnet writes:
>I'd like to second Plamen Petrov's request. Enough already of the
>macedonian question. Is there nothing happening in Bulgaria (!) of
>interest to the people on this list?

Instead of seconding and "thirding" requests, can't you write something? I'm
pissed off people who wait passively, and on top of everything are angry that
the REST don't provide enough information for them to enjoy. Apart from 5 -
10 - (max) 15 netters, who wrote about their impressions from Bulgaria, the
prices, the yogurt discussion, about forgotten days from our history and
few other topics, NOBODY else even tried to contribute ANYTHING for the
group. But, of course, have the guts to complain - "It's somehow boring and
it has nothing interesting". Maybe we have to wait the BTA, the Bulgarian
Government, the Academy of Sciences and all other Bulgarian institutions to
start sending special reports for their Highness - The Bored Ones. What a
hypocricy ... 


Luben

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From: vassil@mary-ann.cs.wisc.edu (Vassil Peytchev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Help needed
Keywords: Boston, Sept 4-5
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:08:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

A friend of mine is going to take the GRE test on Sept.5 in the Boston area.
She has to drive there on the 4-th, so she needs a place to stay for one night.
If anyone can help her, you can reach her by e-mail at zornitza@max.muhlberg.edu
or you can e-mail me. Her name is Zornitsa Atanassova.

Thanks in advance,

Vassil
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From: vassil@mary-ann.cs.wisc.edu (Vassil Peytchev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Pomaks
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:22:21 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov) writes:

>In article <9208311723.A5696pu@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
>[deleted]
>>essential reality that there lives in Western Thrace a much bigger 
>>Turkish minority. The 'Pomaks' are also a Muslim people, whom all the 
>>three nations (Bulgarians, Turks, and Greeks) consider as part of 
>>themselves. 

>Could you please explain why they are considered Greek? 

Because there are Pomaks in Greece, which, as we already know, is one of the 
most uniform countries (with regard to ethnicity). Apart from the sarcasm,
many Pomacs used to go south during the winter with their sheep, and they knew
Greek (i.e. those with whom the Greeks came in contact were bi-lingual).
In Greek posts on the net however, when discussing the Muslims in Western 
Thrace, it has almost always been stressed that the Pomaks in Greece speak 
Bulgarian.

[...]
>Regards

>Luben

Regards,

Vassil
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From: ehganm2@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Nikolay Mehandjiev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: Daily News from BG
Keywords: Radio Free Europe, Radio Liberty, daily reports
Date: 2 Sep 92 11:10:17 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England, M13 9PL.

In article <vassil.715396302@cs.wisc.edu> vassil@mary-ann.cs.wisc.edu (Vassil Peytchev) writes:
>vassil@cs.wisc.edu (Vassil Peytchev) writes:
>
>>All you have to do is e-mail a message to `RFERL-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu',
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