HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston)
Subject: Re: Braking Distances (was Re: Scooters and a non-flame for RKOU)
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:34:57 GMT

In article <BD.92Aug18101314@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:

>I have been reading conflicting reports lately - some say that bikes stop 
>in less space than cars, some say that they stop in more space.  I know 
>that there is tremendous variation in stopping distances among cars and 
>motorcycles, but what are the averages?

>Do motorcycles stop faster than cars?

as i recall from shopping for a bike and the old cage'n'dribblers i used to
read ('til i got better :-), the bikes were going 60-0 in about 115-125 feet,
while the cage tests were 70-0.  the best recorded at the time was a corvette
at 142 (abs-equipped); normal cages took 170-200 feet.  unfortunately, the
rags don't use the same speed, so direct comparison is out.  but i'm sure the
physics wizards here can convert this data for us .... :-)

cliff weston
dod# 0598

i love the fiamms.
the fiamms are my friends.
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Blue Jeans Bad; Leather Jeans Good
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:43:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbfsb.1992Aug14.174344.12747
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Aug13.223841.29574@serval.net.wsu.edu> bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:
>>
>> Except in my case 20-30mph low side. Bone chips in knee. Missing
>>epidermis(sp?). But the levi's came thru unscathed.
>> Go figure.
>>
>The jeans stick to the pavement and you slide against the inside of the 
>pant leg.  The fabric, not sliding against anything does not get hurt.
>Your skin agianst the fabric get shredded.  Yummy.
>
>Ride injury free,
>
>Bill
 
Thats what the doc said. So I immediately discounted it.
Now that I've heard it from a fellow DoD'r I will accept it as biblical.

 
================================================================================
 Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. DoD#564. There ain't no more.
================================================================================
From: matth@progress.COM (Matthew J. Harper)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Leaning
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:30:10 GMT
Organization: Progress Software Corp.

rct@fulcrum.bt.co.uk (Richard Taylor) writes:


>In the USA you should be leaning harder for the right handers, you`ve the
>camber of the road to your advantage. It's the lefts that should make you
>nervous.

  This makes no sense to me.

  If you have the camber of the road in your favor going into a right hander,
you get it for the left hand when you go the other way, no? (This assumes that 
you're on a two lane road like the original poster alluded to.)  

  Feel free to tell me I'm clueless, but only if you can explain why!-)

-Matth

          Matthew J. Harper ! Progress Software Corp. ! {disclaimer.i}         
   God created heaven and earth to grow barley and hops. Now he homebrews !-)  
--
          Matthew J. Harper ! Progress Software Corp. ! {disclaimer.i}         
   God created heaven and earth to grow barley and hops. Now he homebrews !-)
From: weigl@sibelius.inria.fr (Konrad Weigl)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Countersteering a shafty
Date: 21 Aug 92 08:20:47 GMT
Organization: INRIA, Sophia-Antipolis (Fr)

In article <1992Aug19.195848.2800675@locus.com>, dana@locus.com (Dana H. Myers) writes:
|> In article <1497@adpplz.UUCP> martin@adpgate.UUCP (Martin Golding) writes:
|> >
|> >God, what an incredible heaping pile of bullshit that damned Dana dug up.
|> >(Oh what a stink we generate, when we set out to excavate.)
|> >I _still_ think he (it's HE, isn't it?) has too much time on his hands,
|> >and thinks it's funny. Which it isn"t, yet, but it's getting closer.
|> 
|> You are taking things far too seriously. Lighten up. What makes you think
|> I'm a HE, anyway?

Dana, I guess we'd appreciate it if you made up your mind...
Did
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Bob Pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: best thread of the year nomination
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:09:31 GMT
Organization: Disorganized Organization


my vote for thread of the year is the one about installing new (fiamm) horns.
not because it is fun, but i think that it is something that will give 
those who installed them better "visibility."  there have been fiamm threads
before and other threads about how to ride safer, but i can't remember the last
time there was such intense positive discussion with many of the participants
going out and doing something about it. 

bravo!

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
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From: mullignj@acfcluster.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: %$*#^$! Tailgaters
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:39:56 GMT
Organization: New York University

> 
> i prefer the mafia's line: "revenge is a dish best serve cold."
> 

Didn't Ricardo Montebalm say that in Wrath of Khan?
From: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: %$*#^$! Tailgaters
Date: 15 Aug 92 03:35:42 GMT
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA

Friday August 14 1992 18:26, Ron Ih - Analog Engineering wrote to All:

 RI-AE> I was at the paintball arena a few months ago and was wondering if
 RI-AE> anyone tried mounting a forward and/or rearward firing paintgun on their
 RI-AE> bike?

Nice try, but it is a violation of Federal law to have a paintball gun
with the CO2 cylinder attached in (or on, by extension) a motor vehicle.
I think we best leave the paintball gun for its intended use. :-)

When we fly places for tournaments, they have to be broken down and
in locked cases, too, and cannot be carried on the plane. Bummer, an
"indoor" game of NoMan's Land or Football in a large passenger plane
would be awesome!

We could use the flight attendants for judges.

Paint Check!

(still, many times, I've wished I had one I could pull out of a scabbard
while riding, maybe an Orr Autococker, and light some cager up!)

John

--- GoldED 2.40.P0720+
--  
John Hamilton                  uucp: uts.amdahl.com!kennel!john
DoD #0327   ToT #11            internet: john@f8.n143.z1.fidonet.org
ZX-11 From Hell.               arpa: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG
She said, "Its either me or that ZX-11!" Too bad, I'll miss her.
From: parker@gdls.UUCP (The Dougster)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: %$*#^$! Tailgaters
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:28:58 GMT
Organization: General Dynamics Land Systems, Sterling Heights, MI

In article <DCAMPBEL.92Aug14170458@timshel.austin.ibm.com>, dcampbel@timshel.austin.ibm.com (David L. Campbell) writes:
> In article <1992Aug14.153146.16745@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm) writes:
> >
> >Last night while happily riding down the road, this cager comes up
> >behind me. 

> > [tail-gating story deleted]

> >What would YOU do ?
> 
> Two possibilities spring to mind:
> 
> [two possibilities deleted]

I'd rather have a dollar today than a dollar tomorrow--No, no, wrong
subject...I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than--No, no, that's
not it either...

I'd rather have an arsehole cager in front of me than an arsehole
cager behind me. That's it! 

I can't tell you how many times I've pulled over while riding to let
an unsafe 'gater pass me, or waved someone on to go around me when
the light turned green (Hi, Ed!). This was something I learned back in
cage ed ^h^h^h^h^h^h driver's ed: The space around your vehicle that 
is the eeasiest to control is the space in front. Place your lousiest
drivers there.

And remember, when you give up control, you gain control. (Zen)

Douglas
--
Reply-To: gdls!parker@ilium.troy.msen.com
DoD #1961    BMW #55821    Renting N56136
From: rogerc@discovery.uk.sun.com (Roger Collier - Sun - Coventry.)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Euro DoD meet
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:46:47 GMT
Reply-To: rogerc@discovery.uk.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: discovery.uk.sun.com

Does anyone know the dates of the Cologne (Koln) Bike (Motorrad) Show?

It would be a great place for an Euro DoD meeting.

Roger.Collier@Uk.Sun.COM		Sun Microsystems
					Warwick University Science Park
(44) 203 692255				Coventry CV47HS
					England



DoD#226		GSXR1100L
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley)
Subject: Re: Leaning
Organization: Microbial Pathogenesis and Motorcycle Maintenance
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:10:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.074609.20671@news.Hawaii.Edu>
 keller@hubble.ifa.hawaii.edu (Tim Keller) writes:

>        Does anyone else have trouble using peripheral (sp?) vision to avoid
>objects/potholes on the road? I've found that I have to first look at it and
>recognise that I have to avoid it, and then I can use peripheral vision to
>guide me around it. If I don't look at it first I can't "see" it with my 
>peripheral vision.
>        Is it just me, or does everyone else have the same problem?

This is my biggest problem in riding really fast. There is no question that 
when I look through the turn, keeping my head level, I can really lean to 
the bike's capacity. The problem is, I keep looking down for gravel/oil/dead 
possums/whatever. I just can't seem to judge the surface while looking 
ahead, and when I look down, my line goes to hell.

Steve - DoD # 1951
 
__________________________________________________________________________
Steve L. Moseley                                  moseley@u.washington.edu
Microbiology SC-42                                Phone: (206) 543-2820
University of Washington                          FAX:   (206) 543-8297
Seattle, WA 98195
Organization: Sophomore, Metallurgy and Materials Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 10:09:36 -0400 
From: "Carl D. Lovejoy" <cl3d+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Ceramic Vavle shims
	<1992Aug13.225632.4014@serval.net.wsu.edu>

From: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015)


>I have a _real_ hard time believing this (no pun intended).  Toughness is
>the area under the stress-strain curve and steel is pretty good
>in that respect.  The potential for catastrophic damage when a ceramic
>shim shatters is something I don't want to even dream about.
> 
>Try it in your bike, bounce off the rev-limiter a few times and let me know
>how they work.  Good luck.
> 
>Ride in one piece,
 
    The idea of course is to never reach the failure point, which I do
not think will be difficult.  As I said I am not too familiar with shim
under bucket arrangement but I would imagine that the forces experienced
by the shim is mainly compressive, which cermaics are very good at
handling.  The reason some steels are tougher then ceramics is because
they can experience more strain and thus do get more area uder the curve
even though many ceramics can attain a higher tensile or compressive
strength then steel.  
    Of course the big bugaboo between comparing a steel shim between a
ceramic shim is that I do not know exactly what series or alloy of steel
are they.  Does anyone know?



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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: websterm@uproar.enet.dec.com (Mike Webster)
Subject: Re: Countersteering a shafty
Reply-To: Mike.Webster@ime.mts.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 08:38:43 GMT



 I've not noticed any difference between shaft/chain bikes w.r.t.
 contersteering.

 RD350LC Cornered well, contersteering invaluable at high speed.
 GS850G  this one didn't want to go round coners at all.
 XT600E  easyest bike to corner, really flips into corners.
 XJ900F  Handles well if somewhat ponderously, counterseers well.

 Just an example of 2 chain and 2 shafties I've owned.

 Mike Webster. London UK.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Subject: Re: Going into the closet
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 03:42:32 GMT

>
>Look here you sniveling little shit.  I'm not the one going around
>stealing other people's numbers.  And since the KotL has been posting
>daily I would bet that he is also reading his mail.  Perhaps he
>didn't have time to get to you yet.  Of course, I realize that the KotL
>maybe having work to do has inconvenienced you so greatly that you
>simply had to go out and grab your own number since you are far, far
>too important to have to wait.  The least you could have done was
>pull the list over from cerritos.edu and picked a number that no one else 
>was using...
>
>-- 
>| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
>| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
>| "If I was worried about who saw me, I'd never get   | '81 CB750C            |
>| nekkid at all." -Ed Green, DoD #0111                | '88 Bianchi Limited   |


A)  The KotL was on vacation.
B)  The FAQ does not mention cerritos.edu.  Perhaps it should
C)  Lighten Up.  If you have a real problem with me then let's
    take it off line.
D)  Remember  that at no time do the fingers leave the hand.
E)  Only drink alone or with other people.

Jack Waters

I don't believe in free medical care because I've never seen a doctor
who worked for free.

Jack Waters
  
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: etlanar@slartibartfast.ericsson.se (Alan Arthur)
Subject: Re: Leaning
Organization: Ericsson Cellular Division
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 09:38:17 GMT

In article <71371@apple.Apple.COM> thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson) writes:
>datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:
>
>>YES YES YES!  I am exactly the same.  When I lived in Penhill, the road went 
>>down and then round to the left.  I could do 60-70 easily but coming back the 
>>other way, only 50ish.  Weird ain't it?
>
>This is probably because the radius of the turn is greater when turning left
>and riding on the left side of the road.
>-- 
>Paul Thompson    Apple Computer    DoD #47    Would you remember a 1-line .sig?

Whoa! Surely when you're riding on the left, and turning left, the radius is
at its smallest, and the turn tighter??!

(...quick raise asbestos shield...)

 
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EMail : etlanar@deep-thought.ericsson.se                  MEMO : ETL.ETLANAR
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Re: RE Mr. Small
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
Distribution: rec
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 21:55:06 GMT

On 16 Aug 1992 12:31:01 -0700, rkou@corvus.ucs (Roger H. Kou) said:

Roger> I think I shall do something about this. Mr. Small please stay put.
Roger> My lawyer will speak to you.
       ^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^ ^^^^
A sure sign of the terminally stupid.

Roger> PS:I am a student, I got all the time in the world to make
Roger> somebody's life miserable. heck, in LA, that's my given right.

No wonder so many people want to limit access at educational
institutions.  Does anyone else think that school seems to start
earlier every year?

--
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA
shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov                    Of course I don't speak for NASA
 "There's no kill like a guns kill." LCDR "Hoser" Satrapa, gunnery instructor
                       "A kill is a kill."  Anonymous

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From: mparsons@fleming.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Countersteering a shafty
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:22:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: gazette.14100
Reply-To: mparsons@fleming.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons)
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Originator: mparsons@fleming.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <ramarren-140892085504@kops.apple.com>, ramarren@apple.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug13.220924.2802530@locus.com>, dana@locus.com (Dana H.
|> Myers) wrote:
|> > 
|> >   statement about counter-counter-steering(?) on a shafty
|> > 
|> 
|> Thet thars jest about the most ridiculus thang I've read since 
|> Lance Holst' last article.

Yeah, I really enjoyed his last article . . knowing he had burned
hit butt when the bike seat shorted with the battery!! bwahahaha!!! ;-)

Mark

-- 
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mparsons@bcm.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Tony Wang)
Subject: Re: Posted for Anonymous
Keywords: Humor????
Reply-To: twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Tony Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:32:14 GMT

In article <BsL1G6.906@solbourne.com> markb@solbourne.com (Mark W. Bradley) writes:
	<Posted muble jumble from an "Anonymous" person deleted>

>0122:Tony Wang:NY:twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu:REALLY shouldn't be in
>this group. I mean polo DoD shits?

	Good thing whoever wrote this did it anonymously, or else I
would be honored bound to wear my new Polo Shirt (whenever it comes
in) and play Polo in the manner of my Mongolian ancestors, using his
severed head as the ball. Of course, I have my suspects. 

>0172:Gretchen Hitselberger:NY:gretchen@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu:REALLY
>threatend to kill #0666

	That was a dangerous give-away. Let's see #0666 = Lazslo.
Gretchen said she would kill him via e-mail, not net. I was hired to
do the deed. Hmmmmm, guess I'll have to find out another way.


Tony Wang

DoD#0122					This sig under construction
AMA#450147				
					
twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: cars-v-bikes
Reply-To: jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 19:10:01 GMT


In a previous article, steve@bucolix.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier) says:

>jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker) writes:
>>In a previous article, blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) says:
>>>jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker) writes:
>>>>In a previous article, blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) says:
>>>>>How about 1/4 mile times? Aren't cars down into the 4 second range?
>>>>Sure.  My car will do the quarter in 4.2 seconds at 420 mph on unleaded
>>>>regular.  Has a 60-0 stopping distance of 4 feet too.
>>>I'll use small words so you can understand.  Top Fuel.
>>Thank you.  Those small words help.  With top fuel, it'll do it in 2.8
>>seconds at 650 mph.
>
>Oh yeah?!!!  Well *my* bike does quarters in negative time!  And it stops
>before it starts, too!!!  So there! :-P
Yeah?! Well...........hmmmmph.  
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------>DarkMan-------->
Case Western Reserve University,  Cleveland, Ohio            DoD #650
Anyone know where a mechanical engineer can get a job?
From: spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Countersteering a shafty
Date: 14 Aug 92 23:09:56 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

dana@locus.com (Dana H. Myers) says:
> In article <daved.713802198@convex.convex.com> daved@convex.com (David Dorfman) writes:
> >In <1992Aug13.220924.2802530@locus.com> dana@locus.com (Dana H. Myers) writes:
> >
> >>Who else has discovered that countersteering does not appear to work
> >>correctly on shaft-drive motorcycles?
> >
> >It Sure works just fine on my shaft drive ST1100. Maybe your not doing it right?
> 
> Hmmm, I've had two people say "It works fine on my bike". The bikes are
> both have longitudinal crankshafts (BMW R bike and Honda ST1100); this
> must have something to do with cancelling the shaft effect.

OK, here: `It worked fine on my old bike'. A 1981 Yamaha Seca 750.

....paul

-- 
Paul Spencer                 Silicon Graphics Advanced Graphics Division
spencer@sgi.com                                Mountain View, California
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Turning (NOT about Countersteering!)
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:43:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: i88.1992Aug20.184348.27640
Distribution: usa
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL

In article <1992Aug20.151201.29798@philabs.philips.com> mja@philabs.philips.com (Michael Amato) writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug19.000035.10152@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston) writes:
>|> In article <marcl.714166715@os-d> marcl@os-d.isc-br.com (H. Marc Lewis) writes:
>|> >egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
>|> >>In article 4765@balrog.ctron.com, tavares@danville (Jack Tavares) writes:
>|> 
>|>             [anomalous difficulty with left turns deleted]
>|> 
>|> i thought the reason people had an easier time with lefts was that they had
>|> a better view of the road ahead, whereas the right turns are blinder.  at
>|> least, that was my experience on the blue ridge parkway :-)
>|> 
>|> >BTW -- The Washington State motorcycle exam runs the tight-U-turn-in-a-box
>|> >exercise in a clockwise direction.
>|> 
>|> pennsylvania runs them (three figure-eights :-(  ) counterclockwise; i did
>|> them clockwise and had to repeat it.
>
>Cliff, how do you run a figure eight clockwise, I thought a figure eight
>includes both clockwise and counte-rclockwise directions, or do you do them
>differently in penn. :-)

Oh!  You mean you're supposed to cross in the center, instead of backtrack
to finish the second loop?
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
George Bush claims to have neglected domestic issues in favor of foreign policy.
    Looking at Iraqi civilians, I'm glad we didn't have his full attention.