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From: green@cbnewse.cb.att.com (david.bruce.green)
Subject: Weighting the backs of woods
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 05:39:46 GMT
Keywords:  Too tedious, don't read. (but it might cure your slice)



Yup!  Lead tape on the back of club heads is a time honored tradition on
the tour.  Most pros are constantly tinkering with their clubs.
Lead tape is the easiest way to add small amounts of weight to the head,
AND to add it in the right place (behind the ball at impact).  It's also
easy to remove.

Now, if you really want to get down to tedious detail, the location of
the weight minutely changes the center of mass.  I remember an article
once suggested that, "when adding backweights to wooden clubs, the bulge 
and roll should be increased slightly to compensate for the increased
gear effect."  This is pretty much how I remember it was worded because
it contradicted my opinions, sort of.  I think the bulge and role RADIUS
should increase because of DECREASED gear effect, and actually I doubt it
has any perceivable effect so I would ignore the whole idea.  What might
be more perceivable is the tendancy for the backweighted portion to drop
at impact and cause the effective loft to increase.  Maybe yes, maybe no.
What I think has the most effect is where the weight is added with respect
to heel or toe of the club.  If you can move the center of mass well 
toward the heel, you will impart a slight "gear effect" hook spin even
on dead center hits.  In my experience, lead tape alone can't do this
very well.  Dynacraft, however, sells a wood with significant heel 
weight.  It's called "the Cure" as in cure-for-a-slice.

						Dave Green
						dbg@attmail.com

p.s. If I built a "slice-curing" club it would have 7 inch bulge and roll
radii, 2 degree hook face, AND way lots of heel weight.  (It NOT be 
recommended for hookers!)
From: jka@sso.larc.nasa.gov (J. Kirk Ayers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Myrtle Beach suggestions?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 22:34:44 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jka@sso.larc.nasa.gov (J. Kirk Ayers)
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 ron@sni.ca (Ron Jeffrey) writes:

>I'm making my 4th trip to Myrtle with a party of 8 including my 79 year old
>Dad and can make the following suggestions for "enjoyable/playable" courses:
>
>	Myrtle Beach National North
>	Waterway Hills
>	Eagles Nest
>	Burning Ridge
>	Indian Wells
>
>This year we're tackling some of the more challenging layouts as follows:
>
>	Buck Creek
>	River Club	*
>	Long Bay	*
>	Willbrook	*
>	Litchfield	*
>
>* - haven't played before - if anyone has experiences please share.

I spent 1/22-1/25 in Myrtle Beach and played the following courses:
	Legends Heathland(Tom Doak) - Nice layout but the greens were sparse and very bumpy.
		Slope ratings: Gold-127; Green-121; Red-N/A
	
	Marsh Harbour(Dan Maples) - incredible layout, beautiful scenery, smooth greens, and lush 	
	fairways. A "must play" in my opinion. From the blue tees this course requires shot-making 	
	ability.
		Slope ratings: Blue-134; White-121; Red-115

	The Long Bay Club(Jack Nicklaus) - super layout, waste bunkers, and long.  It was playing about 
	7000 yards with wet fairways and was very difficult.
		Slope ratings: Championship-137; Members-130; White-126; Ladies-120

	The Witch(Dan Maples) - bent grass greens, oyster shell hazards, wetlands, and interesting 	
	layout.  The front nine was closed due to standing water but the layout of the back nine was so 
	nice that I didn't mind at all.  We played the white tees the first time through then the black.  The
	course is challenging but fair. A "must play."
		Slope ratings: Black-133; White-121; Orange-109

I hope this information helps.  Buck Creek was closed due to flooding, the greens looked ok from 	
Highway 9 but the tees and fairways were underwater. We were very fortunate weather wise (65 plus 
for 3 days, 45 the 25th with no rain).  I'm already planning next years trip I can't wait.  Good Luck 
with you trip. Fairways and Greens!!!!!!!
Kirk


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From: ron@sni.ca (Ron Jeffrey)
Subject: Re: Myrtle Beach suggestions?
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf, Sietec Open Systems, Toronto, Canada
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:02:43 GMT

alan@hicomb.hi.com (Alan Greenspan) writes:

>I'm looking for suggested courses to play in Myrtle Beach.  I'm going
>with my Dad who's 77, so we're not too interested in killer layouts.  I'm
>more interested in playable courses with nice surroundings and in good
>condition.  I've already gotten some suggestions for:

>	Wild Wing Hummingbird
>	Long Bay Parkland
>	Heather Glen
>	Blackmor
I'm making my 4th trip to Myrtle with a party of 8 including my 79 year old
Dad and can make the following suggestions for "enjoyable/playable" courses:

	Myrtle Beach National North
	Waterway Hills
	Eagles Nest
	Burning Ridge
	Indian Wells

This year we're tackling some of the more challenging layouts as follows:

	Buck Creek
	River Club	*
	Long Bay	*
	Willbrook	*
	Litchfield	*

* - haven't played before - if anyone has experiences please share.

Personally this is the best holiday and value of anything going - have fun!
-- 
Ron Jeffrey 			Siemens Nixdorf Information Systems Ltd.
ron@snitor.uucp 		2235 Sheppard Ave. E., Willowdale, Ontario
uunet!snitor!ron        	Canada M2J 5B5       (416-496-8510)
From: bohdan.kiszczuk@rose.com (bohdan kiszczuk)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Lead tape on woods
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:29:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: rose.1993Jan26.162936.16315
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
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Date Entered: 01-26-93 11:26

G > From: gtarrant@metz.une.edu.au (GREGORY TARRANT)
G > Subject: Re: Lead tape on woods
G > Message-ID: <2843@grivel.une.edu.au>
G >      
G > 
G >      Isn't it a bit of a waste of time putting lead tape on the back 
G > of clubs. You can go through your whole set and correct the swing weight 
G > etc. etc. etc. 

G >  As you pointed out by putting lead tape on a wood you not only change
G > its swing weight you also changing its center of mass. Which can not be
G > an improvement. If you have to much weight on say the toe of the club this
G > will tend to come through last on your swing creating a slice.
    
    Why can't it be an improvement. Have you checked your driver 
lately? We are not all creted equal. Lead tape is no different than a 
hooked face on a driver, low kick, high kick shafts, stiff/regualr 
shafts, D0,D2 swingweights. If lead tape can alter a driver to better 
suit your swing, all the better. I agree if you don't have a 
CONSISTENT swing to start with, you might not realize what effect the 
tape contributed to the results.

G > 
G >  I think any one that tampers with there clubs in this way might as well 
G > put brass plugs down the tip of the shaft. This way the center of mass
G > should not change and they willn't look like an idiot with heaps of 
G > lead tape stuck on their clubs..   
G > 
    The center of mass WOULD change. Lead tape is FAR more preferable 
to lead shot/brass plugs down the shaft. It doesn't look as good but 
it is instantly customizable and removable.
    Last season I had a problem hitting the driver consistently. I 
tended to get too fast and either push or slice or both. Went to the 
range, put one piece of 1.5" tape on the back of the driver towards 
the heel and proceeded to hit balls. It fixed my problem. In fact I 
later tried 2 pieces of tape (hey if 1 piece works so well 2 should be 
really great) and couldn't keep from pulling the ball slightly. I went 
back to 1 piece of tape and everything was fine again. After an hour 
of hitting balls I went back to no tape. I couldn't believe the 
difference in the feel of the club. To make a long story short, I 
played for 2 months with 1 piece of tape and finally got to the point 
where I could remove it.
    Think of lead tape as a bandade. When the booboo goes away, remove 
the tape.
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From: milos@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Bob Milosavljevic)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: putting and vision
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:14:30 GMT
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA

In article <2936730613.11.p00168@psilink.com> "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com> writes:
>
>And putt lots of absolutely straight putts.  If you can't make 9 of 10 
>ten footers (or better) in a row, on a putt that you know is absolutely 
>straight, your stroke needs work.  See above ---COREY PAVIN.
>
>-jim
>

Unless you're putting on a pool table, this is an unreasonable expectation.
Foot prints, spike marks, ball marks, imperfections/disease in the grass,
and even the time of day are among the many factors that can make an absolutely straight
10-foot putt unsinkable. Even for the top pros, a 90% success rate from 10 feet
is extraordinary, if not impossible, and there are numbers that back this up.

-- 
Bob Milosavljevic
Intermetrics Microsystems Software, Inc.       milos@inmet.com
733 Concord Ave.                               ...uunet!inmet!milos
Cambridge, MA 02138                            (617) 661-1840 x4606
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From: fjames@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Frances James)
Subject: Re: Flying with your clubs
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:13:10 GMT

I have one of the softer flight bags for my clubs (although it is
a pretty good one).  My main advice is just to wrap your clubheads
in a towel so they don't bump each other, and then (if you want),
stuff the empty parts of the bag with clothes or something to prevent
rattling.  My parents and I have successfully transported clubs this
way from Boston to Bermuda, Florida, and California, so it seems to
work.

                       ---Frankie
From: raj@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Jewett)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:47:39 GMT
Subject: Re: Rakes _out_of Bunkers (was: rakes in bunkers)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf

> Another reason for leaving rakes inside the bunkers is so they don't get
> run over by the idiots in the carts.  No, people in carts aren't idiots,
> people in carts who run over rakes are idiots, just to be clear.

Come on, give 'em some credit...they can just as easily drive that cart
through the bunker and still nail the rake. :-)

Bob (When is this snow going to melt?)
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From: rjd1@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (robert.j.dietrich)
Subject: Re: rakes in bunkers
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:26:48 GMT

Another reason for leaving rakes inside the bunkers is so they don't get
run over by the idiots in the carts.  No, people in carts aren't idiots,
people in carts who run over rakes are idiots, just to be clear.
Bob D.
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From: mjf@eff.org (Mike Fitterman)
Subject: Re: putting and vision
Followup-To: rec.sport.golf
Organization: On Technology
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:42:18 GMT

In article <C1683q.II@world.std.com>, rsilver@world.std.com (Richard
Silver) wrote:
> 
> 
> A friend and I have been discussing putting and the need for 
> binocular vision. I believe it would be very difficult for a 
> one-eyed golfer to read the contour of a green. What do 
> readers of this group have to say about this query? 
> 
> Are there any aides that make it easier to read a green
> for someone with normal vision? Does it really help to
> hold a putter pendulum style behind the ball?

I have whats termed "lazy eye" in my right eye. This basically means I have
little to no depth perception.  Conceivably it should be hard for me to
read the subtle turns in the greens and indeed it is fairly hard.  But I am
a good putter (I am never in the fairway and have a 3 handicap).  You can
walk the length of the putt (although not in the line!!!) to get the
general feel of the slope.  But the thing I find most important is what
goes on around the hole.  10 feet and in is a really important distance to
get good at reading.   You have to know the speed of the green and the
various textures of the green and the effects it has on how you are going
to hit the putt.  I truly believe that all methods of reading the green are
about equal.  Whatever lets you see the line in your minds eye the best is
the best method for you.  Try looking at putts you already know and read
every inch of the line the break that it has.  Use that as a base to learn
all similar putts.  Hope this is helpful...

Mike
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: d90gl@efd.lth.se (Gustaf Loefberg)
Subject: Another Rules Question 
Reply-To: d90gl@efd.lth.se (Gustaf Loefberg)
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:28:45 GMT

Can you practice putts on the previous green between holes in strokeplay competition? I have always thought that you could only do this in matchplay,
but when I was looking through the rules book the other day I read this rule 
and the only way I can interpret it is that you are allowed to chip or putt
on the tee or previous green. As I have always learned that you can only do
this on the tee in strokeplay, I presume that something is wrong in my interpretation.

Gustaf 


Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: hymie@fff.chem.utah.edu (James Kleimeyer)
Subject: Questions about MIzuno Clubs
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 19:19:39 GMT



Hi-

I'm thinking of buying some new clubs, and I saw two different models of  
Mizuno irons at two different stores for the same price. The models are  
the Shadow and the Cimmaron.  Both clubs felt good when I was swinging  
them.  Each set was running for $229.  My questions: Has anyone had  
experience with these clubs, which is the better set and why, and is $229  
a fair price for 3-9, PW?  Either e-mail or post responses.  Thanks much.


--
James Kleimeyer
FFF Research Center, Dept. of Chemistry
University of Utah    SLC, UT 84112
(801) 581-7168   hymie@fff.chem.utah.edu  (NeXT Mail)
From: ian@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Ian Watson)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 09:21:52 GMT
Subject: Re: Flying with your clubs
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, CCSY Messaging Centre, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf

Whatever you decide to use for packing, the best single piece of advice I'd
give is to make sure the clubs are insured.  It's the only way to guarantee
that you will not have to pay for new clubs later.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ian Watson, HP Cooperative Computing Systems Division at Pinewood, England
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: WVOSS@novell.com (Wes Voss)
Subject: Re: Too Cold to play in Utah...
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:10:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.203308.8299@fcom.cc.utah.edu> hymie@fff.chem.utah.edu (James Kleimeyer) writes:
>From: hymie@fff.chem.utah.edu (James Kleimeyer)
>Subject: Re: Too Cold to play in Utah...
>Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 20:33:08 GMT
>In article <WVOSS.120.0@novell.com> WVOSS@novell.com (Wes Voss) writes:
>> Hello!
>> 
>> I'm new to this newsgroup and just wanted to drop a line and say hello.  
>(See 
>> above... <G>)
>> 
>> I've been suffering this weekend. We've been getting dumped with snow  
>this 
>> week in Utah. (We are currently at 550% of average snowfall for  
>January..)
>> Anyway, for some reason, I was coping well with the end of the golf  
>season 
>> pretty well till this week. Now, I turn on the tube, and it's golf  
>reruns, 
>> and golf video infomercials, and I got Pennick's book for Christmas and  
>am 
>> finishing it right now. (GREAT BOOK! by the way..)
>> 
>> Anyway, even though I am the worlds WORST player (36 strokes is never 
>> enough! <G>), I enjoy the game and look forward to the ongoing  
>discussion.
>> 
>> Wes
>> 
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> Wes Voss
>> Internet: wvoss@novell.com
>> Standard Disclaimer: Yeah, these are my opinions,
>> and no one elses... You know the rest...
>> --------------------------------------------------
>
>IT'S FINALLY STARTING TO MELT!!!!! (only 10" on the ground)
>
>Now's the time to head to Bonneville and play for free.  Lots of casual  
>water. Flags are still in place (presumably to keep X-C skiers off the  
>greens).  Now there's finally a use for those ugly orange balls. :-) 
>--
>James Kleimeyer
>FFF Research Center, Dept. of Chemistry
>University of Utah    SLC, UT 84112
>(801) 581-7168   hymie@fff.chem.utah.edu  (NeXT Mail)

Hey! Some of us play with ugly orange balls year round! It's the only way I 
can find my ball! <G>

My windows her at Novell look out over the provo municipal course (East 
Bay), and there are always X-C skiers out there... Got my clubs out and 
started polishing them last night.

Meet you at Boneville! <G>

Wes

--------------------------------------------------
Wes Voss
Internet: wvoss@novell.com
Standard Disclaimer: Yeah, these are my opinions,
and no one elses... You know the rest...
--------------------------------------------------
From: vallille@emr1.emr.ca (Roy Vallillee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Steve Jones
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:22:38 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

John MacTavish (johnmac@mks.com) wrote:
: Does anyone know the status of Steve Jones. I have not seen his name mentioned
: lately. Is he hurt? Can someone post his status

I don't know, maybe he is preaching in some small town somewhere.  He was 
pretty heavy into the religous thing.  I had him in my pool last year and
obviously he cost me big time.  Actually, as mentioned in one posting he 
did suffer an injury to his hand (read in Golf Illustrated) although they did
not mention when he was coming back.                    ROY 
: JoHn
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: bohdan.kiszczuk@rose.com (bohdan kiszczuk)
Subject: putting and vision
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:54:19 GMT
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Date Entered: 01-21-93 13:50

R(> From: rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver)
R(> Subject: putting and vision
R(> 
R(> A friend and I have been discussing putting and the need for 
R(> binocular vision. I believe it would be very difficult for a 
R(> one-eyed golfer to read the contour of a green. What do 
R(> readers of this group have to say about this query? 
R(> 
R(> Are there any aides that make it easier to read a green
R(> for someone with normal vision? Does it really help to
R(> hold a putter pendulum style behind the ball?

I know one guy that swears by "blue blocker" type of sunglasses. Any 
amber sunglasses should increase the contrast of the green 
significantly. I use amber goggles for night skiing and wouldn't ski 
without them.
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From: milos@ra.camb.inmet.com (Bob Milosavljevic)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: putting and vision
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:33:50 GMT
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.

In article <2936730613.11.p00168@psilink.com> "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com> writes:
>
>And putt lots of absolutely straight putts.  If you can't make 9 of 10 
>ten footers (or better) in a row, on a putt that you know is absolutely 
>straight, your stroke needs work.  See above ---COREY PAVIN.
>
>-jim
>

Unless you're putting on a pool table, this is an unreasonable expectation.
Foot prints, spike marks, ball marks, imperfections/disease in the grass,
and even the time of day are among the many factors that can make an absolutely straight
10-foot putt unsinkable. Even for the top pros, a 90% success rate from 10 feet
is extraordinary, if not impossible, and there are numbers that back this up.


-- 
Bob Milosavljevic
Intermetrics Microsystems Software, Inc.       milos@inmet.com
733 Concord Ave.                               ...uunet!inmet!milos
Cambridge, MA 02138                            (617) 661-1840 x4606
Xref: sparky rec.sport.golf:4447 misc.forsale:36349
From: niyer@frc710.intel.com (Narayanan Iyer - EPG)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf,misc.forsale
Subject: For Sale: Ping Zing Clones - $200 or BO
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:34:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intel Corporation

Two week old set of Tour Model Z's 3-PW.

Asking $200 or Best Offer

(916) 987-7247 - Home
(916) 356-3288 - Work

niyer@pcocd2.intel.com
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From: john@sequent.com (John Vander Borght)
Subject: Re: Another Rules Question 
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: sqnt
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 17:42:49 GMT

d90gl@efd.lth.se (Gustaf Loefberg) writes:

>Can you practice putts on the previous green between holes in strokeplay competition? I have always thought that you could only do this in matchplay,
>but when I was looking through the rules book the other day I read this rule 
>and the only way I can interpret it is that you are allowed to chip or putt
>on the tee or previous green. As I have always learned that you can only do
>this on the tee in strokeplay, I presume that something is wrong in my interpretation.

You may practice on the previous green as long as you are not holding up
play by either being late to tee off on the next hole or blocking someone
behind you from playing.  But, at many tournaments there will be a statement
in the tournament sheet barring this.  The US PGA and PGA Tour have that as a
rule for all their tournaments.

John Vander Borght
john@sequent.com
-- 
"Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty!"
John Vander Borght
john@sequent.com
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From: rjd1@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (robert.j.dietrich)
Subject: Re: february golf vacation?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:55:30 GMT


> My question is how far south would I need to go to find
> suitable weather considering the fact that it's February?
> 
> Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated and specific
> tips on where to go with the best chance of playing would be welcomed.

The weather is usually like here (NJ) except it's 15 degrees warmer.
I've been to NC twice and had good luck with weather.  What I do is
throw the clubs in the trunk and keep driving til it's warm enough
to play.  February is the off-season in Va/NC/SC so you can just
drive up and check in even at well known places like Pinehurst.
Good luck,
Bob D.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: johnmac@mks.com (John MacTavish)
Subject: Golf Clubs
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:17:20 GMT

Does anyone out there have Ping Eye 2's for sale? I would incure any shipping 
costs. I have Mizonos for sale that someone might want. 

Post or mail 

John(johnmac@mks.com)
From: gately@pilot.njin.net (Brian Gately)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: february golf vacation?
Date: 23 Jan 93 08:32:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	I have a week's vacation which begins on 2/1/93.  I'm
considering driving to the Virginia/North Carolina area and I
hope to get a chance to play some golf.

	My question is how far south would I need to go to find
suitable weather considering the fact that it's February?  Is there
really a sweater season or is that just an exaggeration?

	Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated and specific
tips on where to go with the best chance of playing would be welcomed.

						bg
From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Rakes _out_of Bunkers (was: rakes in bunkers)
Date: 24 Jan 1993 18:48:12 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona
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Periodicity:  7 minutes.

				--Blair
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