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From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Jesus?
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 05:19:01 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <92277.110002KEB112@psuvm.psu.edu>, karen brown <KEB112@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> I think it is interesting that you are so hostile to hear anything that goes
> against what you think. Don't you think that's a pretty narrowminded view?
> I think if you are going to live by some philosophy you shouldn't be ashamed of
> discussing it or supporting it, instead of getting completely off the subject
> and bash someone's technique or approach. That is sheepishly avoiding the real
> issue. Maybe you should take a look at yourself and figure out what you are
> afraid of hearing....would it make you question or have to substantiate your
> way of thinking? And is that so bad?

Care to tell us who you are addressing? How about an extract or paraphrase of
the type of stuff you are referring to?

--Semhaza
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Aimless thoughts on Satanism
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 05:27:22 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <92277.110513KEB112@psuvm.psu.edu>, karen brown <KEB112@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> All of this is very intersting to me... seems you like to take a lot of quotes
> and live by them; ok maybe not live by them, but you allow what other people
> say to become a part of who you are and what you believe. What makes the Bible
> so different? That's what people do when they quote scripture and everyone
> rolls their eyes, but we should all get excited by the books or rock groups
> that have true insight and revelation? Give me a break.

Give *me* a break.

I quote a book, song, or other mode of expression when I believe the author has
made a good point, usually by saying something I have already thought better
than I could have myself. That is why they are paid professional artists and
I'm not; they can come up with nifty catch-phrases.

It's a long jump from that to blindly accepting *everything* said in one book,
which is the case with _The Bible_.

I think Scott already said this, but I have to get it out of my system.

--Semhaza
Brian:  You're all individuals! You don't have to follow anyone!

Crowd:  We're all individuals! We don't have to follow anyone!

Single Person:  I'm not.
	--Monty Python's Life Of Brian
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Semjaza, the Watcher Angel
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 06:14:42 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Recently I've been asked about the origin & significance of my name, so I'm
going to give you all the short version.

We all know that some "books" of _The Bible_ didn't make it into the official
version, right? (and some official books in one version are left out of
another). Well...

In Genesis 6:1+ there are some lines about the sons of God and the daughters of
men marrying, and giants, and great wickedness upon the earth; all this occurs
just before the Flood story (go look it up if you want exact wording). A rather
weird tradition grew up to explain these cryptic lines, that goes something
like this:

The "sons of God" (bene Elohim) were angels, who made an agreement amongst
themselves to come down upon the earth (I believe they landed on Mt. Hermon,
but this is all from memory) and mate with the beautiful human women. The
angels taught various arts to humans, and there's a whole list in one account,
but the principal thing is that they taught metal-working and warfare to the
men, and magic, plant-cutting, and self-beautification (i.e. makeup, jewelry)
to the women. They had giants for children, who were very evil, having been
conceived in an unnatural manner, and were destroying the earth. God sent
archangels to kill the giants and imprison/punish the angels, and then flooded
the earth to cleanse it (an afterthought, really).

Semjaza (various spellings exist, but this is the most common) was the leader
of the angels in the earlier version. Later he was replaced by Azazel...but
Semjaza seemed to be the pivotal character, who instigated the whole thing and
taught the "worst" arts to the humans.

I was interested in the story when I first read about it:  Semjaza was around
before "Satan" was ever used to designate a leader of fallen angels. It's a
more real story, about the pleasures of the body and knowledge tied together,
without getting as silly and symbolic as that event in the Garden of Eden.

Is it my "real" name? Well, it's not my birth name, and it's not my legal name.
But I feel that it's more real to me. It's something I chose to describe
myself, not a label inflicted upon me before I was even born. Ideally it *will*
become my legal name. I do use it off the Net, though I haven't demanded of my
parents that they use it.

--Semhaza
Oh, I use this spelling instead of one of the more common ones because of
aesthetic reasons; it just looks better to me.
From: J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Bible Fun Fact!
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:02:49 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.

dewind@acsu.buffalo.edu (Idbil Fubar) writes in

>J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>
>>saruman@cats.ucsc.edu (Friend of Entropy) writes in
>>Message-ID: <1a2hqtINNpe5@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>
>>>
>>>Hey, heres something i found tremendously interesting.
>>>
>>>Moses has horns.  Or was always portrayed as having horns in
>>>classical religious art until the late middle ages, because of a
>>>mis-translation of the bible.  A friend of mine learned of this
>>>in an art history class.
>
>>Care to elaborate a bit?
>
>If I may...The verse (I can't remember which one) says something about
>Moses having horns in the english transliteration.  What the original text
>was saying was something about the moon (which because of it's phases
>can look as though it has horns) in connection with him at the time...

                         <<obseneties deleted>>

Before you use another work as a part of your bibliography, you might want
to know the page number or in this case, the verse.  It would be nice to be
able to look it up.  Until you supply the information, the above statement
is without merit.

Chris
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Ye Great Sinners
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 01:45:42 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Sep28.140529.7140@iscsvax.uni.edu>, marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>> Well, I seem to have been mistaken in my xtians-as-masochists idea... Seems
>> we have at least one sadistic xtian here...
>> THen again, his post was pretty masochistic...
>> I suppose this is all an aspect of the same psychological phenomenon...
>> 
>> You must accept the law of Cthulhu! (every Knee shall bow[shatter])
>> 
>> -Scott
> 
> Scott, isn't Cthulhu like a comic-book character?

Compared to Superman, he's a little taller...

Actually, he's more like a 100-foot globbering insane monster, whose imminent
awakening will destroy civilization as we know it.

--Semhaza
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: Jesus?
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:33:40 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <92276.24983.J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>dementia@cheshire.oxy.edu (Daniel Steven Reinker) writes in
>Message-ID: <1992Oct2.065819.3032@cheshire.oxy.edu>
>
>>In article <92275.81972.J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> J024330@LMSC5.IS.LM
>                       <<Dimentia's previous post deleted>>
>
>>>If what you believe is wrong, would you want to know about it?  Since this
>>>is alt.satanism, an e-mail response will suffice.
>>>
>>>
>>There is no way you could prove to me that this is wrong. You point to the
>>bible and say, look at this, you are wrong. I point to humanity, and say,
>>look at this, YOU are wrong. I am not willing to get into a battle of beliefs
>>since it is impossible to win.
>
>You didn't answer my question.  If what you believed were untrue, would you
>want to know about it?  The answer is either, "Yes," or "No."

No, the answer is not "yes" or "no". It is a loaded question. You make many
assumptions. You make the assumption that the person is able to be convinced
SHe is wrong, in your case this is surely a poor assumption.

Actually, its a stupid question, the mere fact that you have posted it assures
me that, in your case anyway, the answer is "No". You have an (IMHO obnoxious)
world-view which you insist on sharing with those who are not interested.

Advice; loose the "yes/no where do you go" questions; they are transparent, 
childish and serve no purpose; you will draw noone into religious conversation
with such antics. (Its a commonly used advertising ploy; you must watch lots 
of television)

And no "well it was just an innocent question brough on by curiosity"- this
is bullshit; I for one am tired of your antics here. Go to alt.atheism if
you want to post rubbish like this.

BARRA!!!
BARRA YE!!! 

yrs under the elder sign...
-Scott



Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: dementia@cheshire.oxy.edu (Daniel Steven Reinker)
Subject: Re: Jesus?
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:23:19 GMT

In article <92276.24983.J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>dementia@cheshire.oxy.edu (Daniel Steven Reinker) writes in
>Message-ID: <1992Oct2.065819.3032@cheshire.oxy.edu>
>
>>In article <92275.81972.J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> J024330@LMSC5.IS.LM
>                       <<Dimentia's previous post deleted>>
>
>>>If what you believe is wrong, would you want to know about it?  Since this
>>>is alt.satanism, an e-mail response will suffice.
>>>
>>>
>>There is no way you could prove to me that this is wrong. You point to the
>>bible and say, look at this, you are wrong. I point to humanity, and say,
>>look at this, YOU are wrong. I am not willing to get into a battle of beliefs
>>since it is impossible to win.
>
>You didn't answer my question.  If what you believed were untrue, would you
>want to know about it?  The answer is either, "Yes," or "No."
>
>
Certainly. But what I believe is not untrue. Thus I believe it.

Hiz Lord Dementia

-- 
"You can't help that. We're all mad here."-The cheshire cat, Alice in WL

"A mass hysteria/a megalomania/reveal Dementia/reveal"-Metallica
From: dewind@acsu.buffalo.edu (Idbil Fubar)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Aimless thoughts on Satanism
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:21:34 GMT
Organization: UB

rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:

>I am confused.

We'll try to fix that.

>Following the appearance of a certain Xian Satanist who will remain unnamed,
>discussions occurred involving the exchanges of belief systems of
>self-described "Satanists." During this discussion, I was described as "grim"
>and others expressed views full of optimism about the universe in general.

Lucifer (one of Satan's names) means Bearer of the light...he was at one time
the most powerful of the Arcangels.  Just because he has fallen (he will
rise again!) doesn't mean that he is no longer what he was.

>I am at a loss to explain how one could hold such views and call oneself
>"Satanic." Isn't Satan about darkness, death, endings? Isn't it unsatanic to
>maintain anything but the supremacy of Destruction?

Satan isn't dark.  Satanism is mostly a humanitarian (?) relegion.  That means
that what is most inportant to a Satanist (or so I have experienced) Is his/her
self.  Not a god or anything...but enjoying their life.

>We are going to die. How can anyone get around that?

Enjoy yerself before-hand...otherwise start believing in reincarnation...

>How can anyone who feels otherwise than negative defend themselves as being
>Satanic?

Because...You look down on death. Look forward to it...When we get to hell
beat the shit out of the people who treated you like that...until then
PARTYPARTYPARTY!!!

>Sigh. I seem to be short on time at the moment, but hopefully I *will* get to
>work on the FAQ, and to come up with a more coherent explanation of my
>worldview for Thyagi to tear apart.

Now then...will you be a good faq writer and basicaly put the questions
asked HERE and a short version of the answers given HERE or are you going to
give all the newbies your views on life?


>--Semhaza (The Antichrist)

Hey!  Waiting for the rapture on oct 28 at 6:00pm?  then you get to take 
over after all the good chrisians are gone...(hahahahahahaha) I think I'll
get my shotgun out and start shooting as people are lifted in to heaven!

Id
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 11:00:02 EDT
From: karen brown <KEB112@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Jesus?
 <1992Oct2.233340.17155@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>

I think it is interesting that you are so hostile to hear anything that goes
against what you think. Don't you think that's a pretty narrowminded view?
I think if you are going to live by some philosophy you shouldn't be ashamed of
discussing it or supporting it, instead of getting completely off the subject
and bash someone's technique or approach. That is sheepishly avoiding the real
issue. Maybe you should take a look at yourself and figure out what you are
afraid of hearing....would it make you question or have to substantiate your
way of thinking? And is that so bad?
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: nsz@pell4l7.alleg.edu 
Subject: Re:  Satanism and Demon Worship
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:49:28 GMT

	Would anyone out there who believes s/he has witnessed a  
phenomenon of this sort please post the experience?  I have never  
personally seen anything of the sort and was wondering where all the  
demons are.
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: The Great Martyrdom Cult
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 04:40:14 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Other members of the GMC: 
Modern Day feminists
Republicans on my (marxist) campus
Hippies in the '60-70's
Evan Marshall when he is on USENET
Wilhelm Reich
Copernicus
Radical Homosexual Groups
Timothy Leary
Modern-Day Nazis

Is this approximately correct? All these go against an orthodoxy, and are
persecuted for their beliefs because of shoving the orthodoxy's face in
the facts... (or their version anyway)

architect of the Cthulhoid apocalypse...

-Scott
Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.evil,alt.pagan,alt.magick
From: auer@cs.swarthmore.edu (David S. Auer)
Subject: Re: Comments on: LIBER CHAOS by Peter Carroll??
Organization: Swarthmore College, PA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 05:15:53 GMT

In article <66907@cup.portal.com> Tagi@cup.portal.com (Tagi Mordred Nagashiva) writes:
>I recommend against the book.  I think Carroll's works are rip-offs
>without references and he doesn't have the quality of a Crowley to
>make up for it.  You're better off with Spare, Grant or even Gray.
>Good luck.
>
>Thyagi
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>Ok, so its cross-posted to Hell and back.  I figured I'd say hi!  :>

I respectfully disagree.  Lewis Caroll is awesome beyond belief.

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Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Military and Satanic Organizations
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 05:37:55 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

> An interesting fact;
> Ever notice that both the founder of the Church of Satan (Anton LaVey) and
> the founder of the Temple of Set (Micheal Aquino) had police/military
> careers previous to their careers (and concurrent in Aquino's case I believe)
> as religious leaders? LaVey was a Police Photographer and Aquino was a
> Lieutenant Colonel in the army.
> Does anyone else see anything in this, or is it just me who sees the common
> thread of authoritarian/personal anarchy in the philosophy of these, the
> two biggest "Satanic" organizations...
> Hmmm. L.Ron Hubbard was _supposedly_ a navy fighter pilot (This is not clear)
> 
> Anyone getting the picture yet. What is it that the military and religions
> have in common?
> 
> thoughtfully yrs (under the elder sign)
> -Scott

I've thought about this myself. I have the impression that one or other (or
both) of the groups were proud of having members in well-placed "respectable"
careers such as the military, implying that the military is a "real" job and
someone who is an officer and believes your teachings, well that's really
something. I could be wrong on this though.

I don't think all religions share a lot with the military, but I can see the
association with CoS, and probably ToS as well, since it's a daughter
organization. _The Satanic Bible_ puts a lot of emphasis on a person being
valued by their accomplishments and their power in society. It strikes me as
having the potential to be extremely hierarchical--make that regimented. Sound
familiar? I thought it would.

The CoS used to have an entry in the Army's book of religious needs of the
unwashed masses of the soldiers, didn't they? Do they still? Does anyone know
what it takes to get such an entry?

--Semhaza
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Jesus?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 18:03:40 GMT

In article: <1992Oct06.000500.3391@microsoft.com> Tom Fleehart

>Didn't your god give us free will so we could choose our own path?

Yes, that's why I prefer OS/2 and Unix over MSDOS and Windows.

>We have chosen our path, please go away.

When you're finished bashing Christianity and Christ, I will.

>Tim

Chris
Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.evil,alt.pagan,alt.magick
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: Comments on: LIBER CHAOS by Peter Carroll??
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:59:06 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <66907@cup.portal.com> Tagi@cup.portal.com (Tagi Mordred Nagashiva) writes:
>I recommend against the book.  I think Carroll's works are rip-offs
>without references and he doesn't have the quality of a Crowley to
>make up for it.  You're better off with Spare, Grant or even Gray.
>Good luck.
>
>Thyagi
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>Ok, so its cross-posted to Hell and back.  I figured I'd say hi!  :>

I have read one of Carroll's books (actually a double volume),"Liber Null &
Psychonaut". While Tagi is correct in asserting that it has no references,
and most of the theory is taken from other authors (Crowley, Grant, Spare;
though _credit_ is given to many of these), I found it an excellent work.
To get such a broad view of the many magickal traditions one would have to make
a great investment in a library. Also, most authors of treatises on magick are
somwhat obscure, and quite expensive. I have seen some of Grants work go for
$50 or more; I have _never_ seen Spare's books on magick, though I have seen
his art. Also, though Carroll is no great writer of prose, he does have a knack
for getting to the point, cutting through the bull that authors such as Crowley
like to throw at you. If you are an admirer of the Cabalah, his book(s) are
_definately_ not for you.
My estimation; probobly a great newbie book, also valuable for the advanced
practicioner; Iplan on getting a copy as soon as I can..

Architect of the Cthuloid apocalypse...
-Scott
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 11:04:31 EDT
From: <WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Bible Fun Fact!

Moses also practiced serpent-worship, cattle mutilation, blood magic, and
human sacrifice; Exodus makes quite a good read for people interested in
really vicious "old gods" and their high priests.

Bill Ellis
FOAFtale News
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Jesus?
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 05:09:21 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Another post I'm making for Scott...

--Semhaza

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
:I think it is interesting that you are so hostile to hear anything that goes
:against what you think. Don't you think that's a pretty narrowminded view?
:I think if you are going to live by some philosophy you shouldn't be ashamed of
:discussing it or supporting it, instead of getting completely off the subject


Look you dimwit, this is alt.satanism; if anyone is hostile it is because they
are sick & tired of closed minded morons like Marshall, Colvin & presumably
yourself trying to convert us to their obnoxious belief systems. 

:and bash someone's technique or approach. That is sheepishly avoiding the real
:issue. Maybe you should take a look at yourself and figure out what you are

The real issue is that fundie morons like Colvin, MArshall & presumably
yourself should find another place to self-flagellate.

:afraid of hearing....would it make you question or have to substantiate your
:way of thinking? And is that so bad?

If any of 
these jokers actually had anything to add to the newsgroup besides thinly
disguised evangelism, I would be happy to entertain their "thoughts".


:All of this is very intersting to me... seems you like to take a lot of quotes
:and live by them; ok maybe not live by them, but you allow what other people
:say to become a part of who you are and what you believe. What makes the Bible
:so different? That's what people do when they quote scripture and everyone roll
:s their eyes, but we should all get excited by the books or rock groups that ha
:ve true insight and revelation? Give me a break.

You are an _IDIOT_!!!!!!!!!!!!
What do you think the damn fool quotes are a parody of!?!?! WHat makes the 
bible so different? Well, noone has gone & killed millions over a metallica
tune or the principia discordia or Liber Null. Also noone lives there lives
in blind obedience to Metallica's "Eye of the Beholder" (though if more did
we would have less intolerant fools around) Also these books are _current_
at least...
Most important, the message is different; do you honestly think I live my
life by any of these sayings because of the _source_? If anything I quote
because these are others who happened to express what I think in an eloquent
way, unlike biblical drivel which is quoted because it is the "word of god" 

Thanx for wasting my time and disk space...
-Scott (just Scott)
From: locklin@henry.ece.cmu.edu (Scott Locklin)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Yeshua?
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:17:27 GMT
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Oct6.081144.1@opie.bgsu.edu> bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
>
>Why do you guys even bother arguing with locklin?  I think we all agree that
>the idea of xianity is completely absurd, and that the arguments locklin uses
>are the same old moronic arguments that these people have clung to for ages.
>
>I think that the atheism FAQ contains a nice rebuttal of any argument locklin
>would like to make, so why don't we all e-mail him a copy of it?  When locklin
>can come up with an issue that is not addressed in the atheism FAQ, then I am
>sure that we will all be more than happy to spend a little time shattering it,
>but otherwise, we shouldn't let him waste our time.
>
>--Joshua

Gee, this is the first time (on this newsgroup) that I have been mistaken
for a Christian.

This FAQ was much appreciated in any case. I suggest you send it to Colvin
& Marshall.

Marshall's an alt.atheism masochist as well, so it may not do him any good.

servant of Cthulhu...
-Scott
Newsgroups: alt.satanism