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From: ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Fun with Fundies (the addresses)
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:14:52 GMT
Organization: Kaos Laboratories


In article <1993Jan23.192526.7549@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, djd0873@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (p r u n e) writes...

>the old bearded guy in a fedora who sits in a chair and rambles his depraved
>liturgy...
> 
>	Nope, that's Dr. Gene Scott; I haven't seen him in a while.  Serious
>backwoods kook, he is.  The fundies take him about as seriously as Popoff (that
>is, they don't).  He's quite entertaining, though.

	Ah, thanks for the enlightenment, now that I know a name, I can find 
the congregation that much easier! I wonder if they have any use for several 
tons of garden compost send COD......

>Happy hunting!
> 
>p r u n e  

	And to you too! Now if I could only find Emil Gaverluck......all that 
stuff about ET being the antichrist and Spielberg the "unbeliever jew" aiding 
the take over of the earth by demons.....you know, I found a 4 ft tall plush 
ET in a Goodwill the other day and it only cost me a dollar...I wonder if he'd 
get the joke if I mailed it to him dressed in a prisoner's outfit right out of 
the Nazi death camps....nah, he ain't bright enough.....


				- Ashley,
				annoyance to fundies extraordinare.
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: wearing pagan/pentacle jewelry
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 23 Jan 93 06:25:24 GMT

In article <fYkffUi@quack.sac.ca.us> pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.204251.2609@rtfm.mlb.fl.us> 
>joshua@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Joshua Geller) writes:
>>pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey) writes:
>>>There is a reason for this. Before Christianity really, good and bad
>>>were seen as a pair, an inseparable pair. 
>>by who? the jews? the buddhists? the zorostrians?
>
>Pagans of course.
>
>Webster's II:
>evil - The word *evil* is ultimately related to the words *up* and
>*over* and to the prefix *hypo-*, "under, beneath." The basic sense of
>*evil*, which is now lost, was therefore probably "exceeding proper
>bounds" or "overreaching," and the word did not signify merely the
>absence of good.
>
>Does it all fit now?

I think making this kind of sweeping statement of a religious umbrella
term gathering cultures and civilizations from Anatolia to the New World
is going a bit far.  Suffice to say that the JCI's appear to be the
first to see EVERYTHING in such black and white terms, which may and I
think does relate to the monotheistic worldview -- there's our god(tm)
and everything that's not our god(tm), and what isn't our god(tm) is
obviously bad. 

Please note, for the metaphorically chalenged, that this is a PARADIGM
label I am using, and I am certainly not saying anything of the kind
that JCI adherents are incapable of more than dualistic thinking.

Blessings,
Janis 

P.S.: Paul, I think you may be touching on the etymology of the word
"irrational."  It's original meaning was just that something could be
expressed as a ratio of any two integers.  This was a near-religiously
held tenets of the Socratic Greek thinkers, which was ultimately
challenged and blown out of the water by the proof, worked out by the
Socratics, that sqrt(2) is irrational.  It so upset their view of the
universe that irrational came to take on the meaning we now give it --
something threatening to a worldview.  

Incidentally, like the dodecahedron, the knowledge of sqrt(2) was
suppressed by those learned enough to know it; the outside world was not
to know, as Carl Sagan put it.
From: a_weitz@pavo.concordia.ca (WEITZMAN, ANDREW)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Space, the final frontier
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:05:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

The questions about the military use of railguns is quite appropriate.
One of the first SF book to include the idea of a railgun--or magnetic
catapult, as it is called--was Heinlein's "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"
Among the concepts proposed there was the military use of a railgun
from the moon; the rebels who sought to throw off Earth domination
of the moon in the novel used large rocks encased in steel canisters
as a weapon.  When "thrown" from the catapult, these masses of rocks
would gain speed as they sped down Earth's gravity well; the velocities
they reached meant that on impact on Earth they had the blast potential
of a small nuclear weapon.
This idea was later picked up by the SDI--Star Wars--bunch and called
a "mass driver".  So the military potentials of a railgun are quite
possible.  Makes one wonder why the govt. is so hot on getting back to
the moon . . .

p.s.  This is a neat thread, but it should be moved to the SF or science
newsgroups.

Andrew the Wandering Jew (and SF fan)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: nancyp@techbook.com (Nancy Parsons)
Subject: Re: "Satanic Ritual Abuse"
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 220-0636
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:59:26 GMT

[cut . . . ]

>Nancy, when someone makes an accusation the burden of proof is on them.
>Until that time, we should presume they are blowing hot air.  Why?

>Because it is too easy to raise emotion against any one of a number of
>things with absolutely not a shread of evidence, and that leads to the
>witch-hunt mentality we see today in both the "Satanic" thing and also in
>other areas.

Yes, I understand the concern, but ...

Let me pose a hypothetical situation.  Jane and David, say, are both
members of the pagan community.  They were lovers, briefly, but parted
not completely amicably.  David says that Jane's taste for power, as
it were, is a little too unprincipled for his liking, and questions
her motives for being involved in Wicca in the first place.  Jane
says David is jealous of her prowess and popularity, and is casting
aspersions on her out of spite.  

David then becomes ill, and says that on several occasions he has
"felt something bad" in his apartment.  He doesn't know for certain,
but says he is afraid that Jane has something to do with it. 

How do we handle a situation like this?  If we believe that the mind
can influence physical events, then we must grant the possibility that
David's illness has been accomplished by magical means.  What kind
of proof would David be able to offer?  And what could Jane be able
to do to prove she had nothing to do with it?  

The ultimate source of the "witch hunt mentality" that concerns you
is fear.  We are not the only people who believe that it is possible
to make things happen by thinking about them.  And, human nature 
being what it is, it is unreasonable to expect that every single one
us has motives that are completely pure.  This, I think, scares some
people a whole lot.  Perhaps those fears are not wholly rational, but
we do very little to assuage them, or even address them, beyond saying
how childish they are.  

We do have a "party line" about abuse of our power, which is that it
doesn't happen, period.  Saying, or even implying that it does, is
something we just don't do.  My frustration with that silence is what
prompted my admittedly testy "axe-grinding" post.  


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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: gpmenos@firestone.Princeton.EDU (Gerard Philippe Menos)
Subject: SUBJECTS NEEDED FOR PSYCH. STUDY
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: gpmenos@firestone.Princeton.EDU (Gerard Philippe Menos)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:03:02 GMT

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:08:55 EST
From: John A. Johnson <J5J@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Food suggestions for Imbolc

I'm having a party for Imbolc and unfortunately cannot find my copy of
the Witches All, which contains Scandanavian-type food suggestions for
this holiday.  I'd appreciate any suggestions from net pagans.  -- R.
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Cloaks/Robes
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:36:12 GMT

In Barbara Walker's _Women's Rituals_, she gives directions for a very
easy ritual robe that would fit anyone -- very unisex.  When I get the
hell outta school and get a *J*O*B* with some actuall goddamend money,
I'm going to get myself a machine and make one.  (There are only two
seams to sew, but they are way fucking long.)

Blessings,
Janis 

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: jdh@math.psu.edu (Jeremy D Hall)
Subject: Re: GOD
Organization: Penn State Department of Mathematics
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 05:04:54 GMT

In article <728022574.0@iphase.fidonet.org> Richard.Willis@iphase.fidonet.org (Richard Willis) writes:
>
>               To Whom It May Concern,
>
>               There is a true god. Satan is real. Follow him and you will go
>to hell. Follow Jesus and inherite eternal life. Any questions?
>
>
> * Origin: U_PAGAN: <<<<<<<<<< RE-ELECT NOBODY! >>>>>>>>>> (1:112/29)
>

Yeah, can I get some toast with these fried eggs? (oops, right question, wrong
topic....:^) 

(Just what we need, more threats of damnation...)

Jeremy Hall
jdh@math.psu.edu
From: radzy%sradzy@jack.sns.com (T.O. Radzykewycz)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Okay, so this is dumb, BUT . . .
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:07:20 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Originator: radzy@icsib62

(I'm having trouble with my new machine.  Posted this a little
while ago, but it doesn't seem to have come across, so I'm re-posting
from the other machine.  Apologies.)

> >cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) wrote:
> >> I am so jazzed right now.  I just got a CD of the best of Wagner, and
> >> I've played the Pilgrim's Chorus from Tannhauser about a bezillion
> >> times, and I'm really having a great aural experience . . .

> vossdavi@student.msu.edu (Lisa Ann) writes:
>     Oh, Janis! That is such an incredibly bad pun!

cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) wrote:
> Where's the pun?!?!?!

Vossdavi@student.msu.edu (Lisa  Ann) writes:
>      I just figured since we pagans sometimes try to do things to help our
> *auras* and you were *listening* to music...
>      You're so good you do it without trying! Am I the only one who gets
> it?! I know I didn't get alot of sleep last night, but sheesh!

No, Lisa Ann, you're not the only one to get it.  I usually simply
sit there and snicker when I find things like this.  (Of course, my
first thought was that Janis wasn't so much jazzed as orchastrated.
But then I read further! :-)  )

Bear Blessings!

			-- radzy

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	The Incredible Radical Cabbage	|  do as ye will.
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Tribal Mother was old, and lay ill on a bed of moss and
fern.   Her hair was long and grey.   Her face was very
wrinkled.    Tamura'nun-pa thought:   How beautiful you
are, Mother, so old and wise.
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling)
Subject: Re:body paints
Reply-To: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:05:17 GMT

If you want a good strong black pigment use the age old blackist of black
pigmints used scence man discuvered te efects of fire->CARBON<- 
to get something that wont warsh off with just plane water mix it into fat
so that it wont bind with water. BTW if you put carbon in water it wont
just wash of with water. Infact you wont get it out of your cloths at all.
Carbon mixed into water is called Indean ink and nothing is more permaninte
on cloth, paper and may tack a few days to get off your skin. Thou it has
never tacken me more then two and I do have a tendincy to mack a mess on my
self when using it.

Elf-Kin
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: ailsa@wonky.UUCP (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: \
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:46:46 GMT

In article <108245@bu.edu>, uni@acs.bu.edu (Shaen Bernhardt) writes:
>
> I am shamed....
>
> Some time ago I asked for information regarding sources for ritual
> robes and or cloaks.
>
> Some (Much exhalted) alt.pagan'er replied that he/she would love
> to stitch one up for me...
>
> To said alt.pagan'er  : I've lost your e-mail address!
>
well, i sew, semi-well, and i would do it, if you paid for materials of
course.  i like doing creative stuff, but i can't afford to often cos i
can't afford the stuff to be creative with.  i need a JOB!!!

oh, by the way, sorry about screwing up the si=ubject line.  my finger
slipped.  i let my nails grow, and they get hideously in the way...
*sigh*  i hate trying to look respectable.  next thing you know, i'll
actually buy a skirted suit, and then hell will freeze over (if it
hasn't already!)

                                                -ailsa


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                           ailsa@wonky.uucp
 LIfe moves so mysterious with its cute little spins        ________
 And it's everyone's koan and door to get in        Silence \      / Action
 It's old human nature, it's cold or it's hot          =     \    /    =
 I think of you often, I like you a lot              Death    \  /    Life
 But if it's snowin' in Brooklyn                               \/
 I'd say snow is what we got.           -Ferron
From: kre@po.CWRU.edu (Keith R. Elflein)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: the next generation...?
Followup-To: alt.pagan
Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:22:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b61693.student.cwru.edu

In article <C197Kn.Bpq@encore.com>, aaldrich@encore.com (Al Aldrich) wrote:
> 
>
> BTW..Keith is it? I don't mean to sound unfairly critical, but you sound as
> if you view marriage like getting a job or something. I would hope that you
> would have discussed religion and kids and philosophies sufficiently with
> a prospective partner to resolve any such potential conflicts BEFORE
> entering into a commitment such as marriage.
> 
> Blessings
> al
> 
> 
> 
I'm sorry but i think you have gotten yourself confused. My article was one
of those spur-of-the-moment thoughts that i just had to write down. I am
not getting married anytime soon...so, you see, it is not a REAL issue for
me...yet : >)

	Blessed be,
	
			Keith


"All the Gods are one God, and all the Goddesses are one Goddess, and there
is one Initiator." 

P.S. after Janis's WONDERFUL mental image of my sig file, i think i'll
think of a new one. :)
From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Nomenclature reply:  Men are not Witches!
Date: 24 Jan 1993 14:33:24 -0500
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

In article <1993Jan19.174013.21605@csus.edu> altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim) writes:
>
>Corun,
>
>I'm unfortunately one of those poor sods who owns a skate-broom, the
>type of vehicle with no real zone of operation. Some of my scooter-broom
>friends complain of the same thing: vehicular discrimination.
>
>You know the type.
>
>Use a broom, go to jail.
>
>I have a bumpersticker on my broom that says, "Sweeping is not a crime."

People just refuse to realize that some people have no choices in the
types of vehicles they drive.....er, fly. It's a simple Law of Metaphysics.
Nature abhors a vacuum.

>I've just learned to live with all the honking and swerving.

We do what we can.

Bb,
Corun



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  Dark Horde by birth  |           is coming from you.
    Moritu by choice   |			J. Flanders
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From: cokin@phakt.usc.edu (Darren Cokin)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.binaries.pictures.tasteless
Subject: Re: Whale Puke [was: Elemental Oils]
Date: 21 Jan 1993 00:36:49 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

In article <1993Jan21.014605.14048@csus.edu> altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim) writes:


>(Does the stuff stick to your foot, or just sort of slide off?)

Neither.  It's a solid.  Kinda like pummice stone, filled with holes.  

I'd like to explain how I know that, since it's kinda strange.  Many years
ago I saw an ambergris episode of Batman.  ("Holy Ambergris Batman!")  I think
penguin or someone was stealing it.  It stuck in my mind because just days
before I saw the episode I read an Encyclopedia Brown book where Encyclopedia
proved that Bugs Meaney (how the hell did I remeber that name?) stole the
ambergris from Encyclopedia's client, because Bugs claimed he found it on the
ocean floor, and rolled it ashore.  Encyclopedia then pointed out that 
ambergris floats.

I can't remember the name of my best friend in gradeschool, but I remeber this
from then.  WHY?  Fuck it....

                                                       Darren
From: alizard@tweekco.uucp (A.Lizard)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Space, the final frontier
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 20:19:39 PST
Organization: Tweek-Com Systems BBS, Moraga, CA (510) 631-0615

a_weitz@pavo.concordia.ca (WEITZMAN, ANDREW) writes:

> The questions about the military use of railguns is quite appropriate.
> One of the first SF book to include the idea of a railgun--or magnetic
> catapult, as it is called--was Heinlein's "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"
> Among the concepts proposed there was the military use of a railgun
> from the moon; the rebels who sought to throw off Earth domination
> newsgroups.
> 
> Andrew the Wandering Jew (and SF fan)

Remember that the INTENDED use of the catapult described in the Heinlein
book was to deliver cargo in the form of wheat to Earth. Almost ANYTHING
can be used as a weapon, regardless of original intention...

As for moving the thread, given its relevance to long term human survival
and to preserving and reclaiming the eco-system of planet Earth and other
goals that pagans are at least nominally interested in, I started the
thread and I'm not interested in moving it anywhere. However, I have
no objection to crossposting it into the sci.space and other related
newsgroups... 
Blessed Be,
A.Lizard

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Newsgroups: alt.pagan,talk.religion.misc
From: uphrrmk@gemini.oscs.montana.edu (Jack Coyote)
Subject: Critical Thought
Summary: Measure twice, cut once.
Reply-To: uphrrmk@terra.oscs.montana.edu (Jack Coyote)
Organization: Never Had It, Never Will
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:33:12 GMT

In alt.pagan, cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) and adams@spss.com
(Steve Adams) write:

Janis>I can say plainly that I don't know any catholics and never have
Janis>that actually think too long on that old line about transubstantiation.

  (as another person raised catholic)... a lack of critical examination seems
to be the rule rather than the exception for most religions. In regards to
Catholicism/Christianity, it is easy to see why a careful examination of ritual
cannibalism/diabolism is not easily faced (turning a death cult into a life
cult entails paradox).

  Please note that this tendancy is NOT religion specific, esp. those of you
with spudlings. (Would you deny anyone the chance to learn as you did?  The
long way home often is most interesting.)

Janis>I mean, it TASTES like a cracker, for God(tm)'s sake!  How the HELL is
Janis>this going to be someone's flesh?  

Steve>How?  Remember that the host retains the 'accident' of bread and the blood
Steve>retains the 'accident' of wine.  Not that I beleive it.

  Allegory & metaphor (never mind that the priesthood are too thick too get it)
Always recall (if you wish to follow Jesus(tm)) that his primary method of
instruction was the parable.

Tell us a story Unca' Jesus!                    Flames to alt.dev.null


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