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From:  (Thomas Mc Neill)
Subject: Re: Change to Republic
Followup-To: soc.culture.australian
Organization: Loughborough Uni. Technology
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 16:45:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.004411.1064@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>,
yootenai@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tim Millikan) wrote:

> The Royal crest appears in many different places, like post-boxes, post
> offices, all the legal statutes.  Are we to change all of these?

Since when has the Royal Crest been part of Australia Post's Logo?

> Can we afford to change all of these at this point in time?  Surely there are
> better things for all Australians to be spending their energy on than the
> question of Australia becoming a republic.

All the extra energy is wealth creating energy. Its a funny world we live
in but doing things like changing logos creates jobs in the printing
industry etc. Its simple economics.

Tom Mc Neill
Loughborough University
Leics.,UK, LE11 3TU
Email: T.Mcneill@lut.ac.uk
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: International Software Assignments
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:50:14 GMT
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From: mlaufer@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Matthias Laufer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Visiting Australia, lots of questions!!
Date: 16 Dec 1992 14:29:05 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
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Please Tricia and Jim DO tip if you think a person deserves it.
The stuff about not tipping in Oz is pure rubbish and ignorance.
People in the hospitality industry love a tip and Americans are renowned
for tipping, so keep up the good habit.
Try the North West of Western Australia!!
-Matt
From: HR-6@ia.ph.bham.ac.uk (Christopher Underhill)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Dunk Island
Date: Wednesday, 16 Dec 92 19:21:10 GMT
Organization: Physics Department, Birmingham University, England
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Hi,

   On a visit to Australia a few years back, I went to Dunk Island off the
coast of Queensland. I was told that the battle of the Coral Sea in the
second world war was coordinated from a base on a hill on this island.
What has been bugging for ages is what is the name of this hill - all I
remember is it was something like Mt Kow-ow-ow.

I'd be grateful if someone would inform me by post or mail of its
actual name.

Chris.
From: fcs$1224@altair.selu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Maintaining Australian Residency?
Date: 20 Dec 92 22:14:29 -0600
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University

Hi:

I am currently a resident of Australia but am a US citizen.  If I
am an agent of a company (or companies) in Australia, will this
maintain my residency?  I am in the planning process of setting up
an import company in the US to import Australian paintings,
drawings, and other art work.  I will not be making purchases
anywhere but Australia.

If you have any advise or information, I would appreciate it.

Thanks,

Tom
From: ch667@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Manfred K. Hanley)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: frog in montreal
Date: 18 Dec 1992 23:22:53 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ch667@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Manfred K. Hanley)
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In a previous article, cbs@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Syed) says:

>In article <BzF8Gx.9v4@mach1.wlu.ca> john7552@mach1.wlu.ca (Niall Johnson u) writes:
>>In article <BzEpJL.CBL@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> cbs@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Syed) writes:
>>>
>>>    ... The Macquarie ...
>>>    it seems to be out of print.
>>
>>Are you sure?
>>When I was last in Sydney you could obtain almost all versions.
>
>      Well, you got me. I should have checked Books In Print. ;-)
>      I only know that Dymmocks (sp?) and a couple of the other
>      big booksellers didn't have it last June.

But that's because Angus&Robertson bought the _entire_ initial
printing of the 3rd edition which had just been released. So much
for competition!

Manfred
From: mlaufer@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Matthias Laufer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Change to Republic
Date: 16 Dec 1992 14:48:04 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
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Yes Tim, let's get the country moving again. Maybe back to Victorian
times, not mentioning any states, and let's abolish unions, let's
create a wider upper class, who needs hospital cleaners anyway, let's
forget about workers' rights and let's have a union jack in our flag,
let's get some convicts from mother England or maybe shoot some
Aboriginals. Let's step back in time, let's be LIBERAL.
But most of all let's be STUPID!
Regards, Matt
From: andrew@alice.att.com (Andrew Hume)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: frog in montreal
Summary: bollocks!
Date: 17 Dec 92 05:45:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24427
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ

In article <2346@eram.esi.COM.AU>, dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall) writes:
> In article <ByszDq.ADn@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>,
>     dcartled@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Knees) writes:
> 
> | Australia does have an official dictionary, the Macquarie, which is
> | internationally renowned as being one of the stupidest dictionaries
> | ever.  The last word in the thing is "Zzzz"  as in the sound someone
> | makes while sleeping.  Really stupid.


	i am baffled by this estimation. in our lab we have several
dictionaries available and the best two are the chambers and teh macquarie.
(the oed is the ``best'' and arguably the most interesting but not for
current usage!) of course, the macquarie undeniably reflects more
slang than the chambers or the american dictionaries but this is
part of its charm.

			andrew hume
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: landmark@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Torsten K. (Landmark))
Subject: What means M.A.S.H. ?
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 07:05:56 GMT

Hello everybody,
i have a little question ! I think M.A.S.H is only an abbrevation,
but I don't know the meaning (it has something to do with the
army, i believe). Please, don't write me, that i can see it on TV
(at 6:00 in Qld.). Thanks for your reply.

bye, Torsten

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* Torsten Kerschat         |  E-Mail-Address:                                 * 
* TU - Berlin              |  landmark@cs.tu-berlin.de                        * 
* Fachbereich 20           |  landmark@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de              *
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From: garbe@smith.phys.ucalgary.ca (Greg Garbe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Travel Info
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:20:23 GMT
Reply-To: garbe@smith.phys.ucalgary.ca (Greg Garbe)
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada

Hello Everyone,

	I posted to rec.travel to try to get this info but got not
replies, so I thought I would try here.  My wife and six month old 
are planning to visit Australia for two to three months arriving in
the first part of Feb.  I have a list of specific questions on rail travel,
hostels, costs, and bank procedures which I could use some help on.
If you would like to help, please e-mail me and I will send the list
(no since wasting bandwidth).  Thanks in advance.

Greg Garbe

garbe@phys.ucalgary.ca
From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: frog in montreal
Date: 20 Dec 92 23:13:00 GMT
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA
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In article <24427@alice.att.com>,
    andrew@alice.att.com (Andrew Hume) writes:

| current usage!) of course, the macquarie undeniably reflects more
| slang than the chambers or the american dictionaries but this is
| part of its charm.

Quite correct.  The Macquarie defines the Australian language, as opposed
to say the British language or the American language.  So, to those who
slag off at the Macquarie, do you want to speak British, American or
Australian English?

-- 
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dave@esi.COM.AU                ...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: lightw@cetra.trl.OZ.AU (Liron Lightwood)
Subject: Re: Aussie phones (was Re: Optus)
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:42:24 GMT

amoss@shuldig.cs.huji.ac.il (Amos Shapira) writes:

>While I liked very much the phones which take both phone-cards and money
>I found the public telephones are not convenient for calling overseas.

>The practice I used when I called home from N.Z. was to call them and give
>my parents the phone number I'm calling from and hang up.  They did the rest,
>this saved me money needed for more important things but also save my parents
>the double charge for reverse-calls.  Same is possible from any pay-phone in
>Israel.

Australian payphones do not display their real phone number, as is the case in
other countries such as Israel.

I guess this is to prevent people from making international reverse charge
phone calls to payphones (which I have heard stories about).

>In Australia, just in order to have a reverse-charge call I had to call the
>operator, give her the number I'm calling from (why? can't she see it on her
>computerised panel?) and the "type of telephone"(!) (which wasn't available
>in the booth many times) and then hang up and hope she will know what she was
>doing (most of the times it didn't work and I ended up calling direct).

I remember this was the case in around 1977 even with ordinary phones
(i.e. you had to hang up and they'd call you back a few minutes later).
These days, when you make a reverse charge call (at least within
Australia) they connect you straight away.   How long ago was it that you
had to wait for the operator to call you back when making a reverse charge
call?

>Just for comparision, during the night time a call from Israel to Australia
>costs 1.2~ US$ a minute.

Wow.  The Israel-Australia call is A$2.40 a minute, and there's no
concession!

Liron Lightwood                     Internet : r.lightwood@trl.oz.au
Telecom Research Laboratories       Phone : +61 3 253 6535
770 Blackburn Road                  Snail : P.O. Box 249 Clayton 3168 Australia
Clayton  Vic. 3168 Australia        Disclaimer : My views are not my company's
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: ravis+@cs.cmu.edu (Ravindran Supramaniam)
Subject: info. reqd.:easy way to send money
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:28:09 GMT

Hi there,

I would like to know whats the easiest way to send
money to folks in autralia. Read "easiest"
as fastest, convenient and minimum transaction charges.

Since I am not a regular reader of this newsgroup 
please mail the replies to me (ravis@cs.cmu.edu)

Thank You.

Ravi



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: aen@cs.brown.edu (Ann Nicholson)
Subject: Re: Visiting Australia, lots of questions!!
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:05:44 GMT

In article <1g9f45INNm27@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ag301@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tricia Schmidt) writes:
>Jim and I would like to sincerely thank all of you for your
>excellent suggestions.  
[stuff deleted]
>The tip about not tipping is also great.  Jim has a very large
>number of books about tourism in Australia, and none of them
>so far has mentioned that we should not tip.
[stuff deleted]
>Hope to hear from you all soon, and thanks again for your
>excellent advice.  We promise not to swim with alligators
>or tip waiters!

While I would agree that tipping is not as "compulsory" in Australia
as in the US, it is still not uncommon. My brother is a waiter (at
Mario's cafe in Brunswick St - pause for nostalgia about Lygon and
Brunswick Sts...), and I know that tips form a reasonable proportion 
of his income. I think that tipping should be some function of how 
much money you have, how much you enjoyed the meal, how good the 
service was, and how poor the waiters/waitresses look :-).

Ann Nicholson

Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: hart@madhatter (James A. Hart)
Subject: Re: What means M.A.S.H. ?
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 23:41:18 GMT

landmark@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Torsten K. (Landmark)) writes:
: Hello everybody,
: i have a little question ! I think M.A.S.H is only an abbrevation,
: but I don't know the meaning (it has something to do with the
: army, i believe). Please, don't write me, that i can see it on TV
: (at 6:00 in Qld.). Thanks for your reply.
: 
: bye, Torsten
: 
: --
: * Torsten Kerschat         |  E-Mail-Address:                                 * 
: * TU - Berlin              |  landmark@cs.tu-berlin.de                        * 
: * Fachbereich 20           |  landmark@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de              *
: * Germany                  |  landaiaj@w250zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de               *

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Mobile Army Surgical Hospital, but nothing to do with Australian Culture!

Name:        Jim Hart    N6JSS
InterNet:    hart@donald.etdesg.TRW.COM 
                         I'd rather be LANDSAILING!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: uab1018@dircon.co.uk (Frank Leonhardt)
Subject: You can hear me!
Reply-To: uab1018@dircon.co.uk (Frank Leonhardt)
Organization: The Direct Connection on-line service, UK
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:42:39 GMT


Thanks to everyone who replied to my earlier post via email 
- I have replied to everyone but mouse <mouse@appleoz.apple.oz.au> 
bound for some reason. It seems that there was a several week 
delay before posting arrived there before - probably fixed. 
Thanks again, Frank (No more replies, please!)
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From: andrew@alice.att.com (Andrew Hume)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: frog in montreal
Summary: i acquiesce
Date: 19 Dec 92 23:03:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24451
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ

In article <BzHxEI.wD@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, dcartled@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Knees) writes:
> ...
> The Oxford makes sure that its usage is up to date in the entries for
> its smaller dictionaries, to which I *assume* you refer.  I doubt that
> you have a complete 20+ volume edition of the complete Oxford English
> dictionary (second edition) in your lab.  Perhaps your lab would be well
> advised to spend the (relatively small) sum of money required to obtain
> an Australian version of the concise Oxford.  ...
> David Cartledge 


	i did not know of the australian version of teh oxfords; i will
attempt to find one and perhaps purchase it. our lab has an eclectic
set of dictionaries -- it does include the 20+ volume 2nd ed of the
OED (and a magnificent ``book'' it is, too). as a matter of taste,
i still prefer the Chambers over the normal, smaller Oxford.

	i think we agree to differ; thanks for the pointer to the
Oxford variants.

			andrew hume
From: ia@trinidad.inria.fr (Isabelle Attali)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: customs
Date: 15 Dec 92 11:20:18 GMT
Organization: INRIA, Sophia-Antipolis (Fr)


Hello,
	I will visit australia soon and I would like to know if
I can bring goods such as wine and french pate's.

Any advise ?

Isabelle
From: ch667@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Manfred K. Hanley)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Christmas Carols
Date: 20 Dec 1992 07:20:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: frog@pos.apana.org.au (Manfred K. Hanley)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, boardman@CS.ColoState.EDU (andrew boardman) says:

>
>Seized by a sudden bout of nostalgia, I'm looking for words
>to an Aussie Christmas Carol I heard in my youth. Although
>much has escaped me, I can hum it (only faking a few notes ;)
>and the chorus goes something like:
>
>"Six white boomers, snow white boomers,
>Racing Santa Claus through the burning sun;
>Six white boomers, snow white boomers,
>On his Australian run."

Heh... sure brings back memories. I've got that very song, er, sung by
Australia's own cultural jack-of-all-trades, Rolf Harris. Unfortunately
it's back home so I can't find out what the words are. It does make
for some very interesting Christmas carolling when everybody else is
playing the old faves, though!

Manfred
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: ggm@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (George Michaelson)
Subject: Re: customs
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 23:20:34 GMT

ia@trinidad.inria.fr (Isabelle Attali) writes:


>Hello,
>	I will visit australia soon and I would like to know if
>I can bring goods such as wine and french pate's.

You will have to declare alcohol above and beyond a duty free limit and
pay tax. I'd bring something like a ready-to-drink Margaux which would
command a price here of AU $200+. (I hope duty is calculated on price
paid and not local value...) Australian wines might taste different to
french varietals but on a dollar-for-dollar basis you really want to
bring big names to get value for money. AU $25 gets you a VERY
drinkable bottle.

Pate is really not a good idea. In general, meat and dairy produce is a bummer
because of the listeria risks associated with non-cooked food.  I'd avoid
charcuterie altogether. You can buy reasonably eatable imported meat and cheese 
anyway, brought in by agents who get lab tests on the batches on entry.

Cakes, Buscuits, tinned or bottled produce should be okay. Confit d'oie might
get through, you'd want to be prepared for it to be confiscated.

Coffee is viable if ground. Apparently a weevil lives in even roasted beans
brought in whole. 

Leave the poodle home. Even if tinned.

	-George
--
                         George Michaelson
G.Michaelson@cc.uq.oz.au The Prentice Centre      | There's no  market for
                         University of Queensland | hippos in Philadelphia
Phone: +61 7 365 4079    QLD Australia 4072       |          -Bertold Brecht
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: cbs@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Syed)
Subject: Re: frog in montreal
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:59:44 GMT

In article <24427@alice.att.com> andrew@alice.att.com (Andrew Hume) writes:
>In article <2346@eram.esi.COM.AU>, dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall) writes:
>> In article <ByszDq.ADn@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>,
>>     dcartled@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Knees) writes:
>> 
>> | Australia does have an official dictionary, the Macquarie, which is
>> | internationally renowned as being one of the stupidest dictionaries
>> | ever. 
>
>	i am baffled by this estimation.


    Me too. The Macquarie is a real work of scholarship, and unfortunately,,
    it seems to be out of print. I'd compare it very favourably with the
    much longer and costlier Canadian Encyclopedia - both serve the same
    functions in some ways - of documenting things particular to the
    country - while the Macquarie has loads of general purpose international
    words in it too. I think this dictionary is an important bit of cultural
    sovereignty exercising! :-) :-) 

-- 
--- 
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               cbs@.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Brown-Syed)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: andrewt@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Taylor)
Subject: Re: Things to do in Hobart???
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:48:22 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <2524@eram.esi.COM.AU> dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall) writes:
>Quite so.  I must've been thinking of something else raided for its fur.

The Thylacine was not killed for its fur, it was hunted because it
was thought, probably unjustly, to kill livestock.  

Andrew Taylor
From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Things to do in Hobart???
Date: 18 Dec 92 02:10:27 GMT
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA
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X-Witty-Saying: "Mobius strip - see other side for instructions"

In article <1992Dec8.132550.23268@webo.dg.com>,
    cpalmer@dingo.rtp.dg.com writes:

| >I think you are confusing the devils with the tigers.  The Tassie Tiger
| >is indeed extinct, due to humans thinking they had a better right to
| 
| Is not!!

Quite so.  I must've been thinking of something else raided for its fur.

Or are you saying the tiger is NOT extinct?  In which case I beg to differ.
It is indeed extinct, but alleged sightings have been made, and there is
at least one scientific investigation going on.

Please elaborate upon your "Is not" response...

And yes, the referenced article is old, but had only just arrived here,
yet I have seen other followups.  Some site close to me must have
problems.  Big problems.

-- 
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
dave@esi.COM.AU                ...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: boardman@CS.ColoState.EDU (andrew boardman)
Subject: Christmas Carols
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:15:03 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department


Seized by a sudden bout of nostalgia, I'm looking for words
to an Aussie Christmas Carol I heard in my youth. Although
much has escaped me, I can hum it (only faking a few notes ;)
and the chorus goes something like:

"Six white boomers, snow white boomers,
Racing Santa Claus through the burning sun;
Six white boomers, snow white boomers,
On his Australian run."

Thanks for your help,
		-- skye (posting from her husband's account, as per usual)


-- 
"I come from the land Down Under,            |
Where women glow and men plunder.            |         skye
Can't you hear, can't you hear that thunder? |aboard@statsun.stat.colostate.edu
You better run, you better take cover"       |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: rowlands@ra.csc.ti.com (Jon Rowlands)
Subject: Re: Sidney (sic)
Reply-To: rowlands@csc.ti.com (Jon Rowlands)
Organization: Texas Instruments, SPDC, DSP Technology Branch, Dallas
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:25:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.170017.15148@spock.UUCP>, drizzt@spock.uucp (Neela
Jacques) writes:
> >There must be a place in the U.S. spelled 'Sidney', right?
> >Near New Iork maybe?
>  You're close it's actualy near noo york!!!

Yitzak Charlie Eve enclose Urdu gnu yak. Please excuse the spelling.

earguards,
Noj
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: uab1018@dircon.co.uk (Frank Leonhardt)
Subject: Can you hear me?
Reply-To: uab1018@dircon.co.uk (Frank Leonhardt)
Organization: The Direct Connection on-line service, UK
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:54:22 GMT


Could anyone reading this is New Zealand or Australia please 
mail me? I am pretty sure anything I post gets losts before 
to gets that far. I've tried everything else I can think of 
to find out, hence this direct appeal. Thanks, Frank.
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