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From: ptyshih@watnow.uwaterloo.ca (Paul T.Y. Shih(Taku))
Subject: Re: "Do you mind if she's a virgin or not?"
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:32:28 GMT

In article <sJB=H4+@engin.umich.edu> chyang@australorp.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
>
>If she is not a virgin, fine for me too.
>It tells me this girl wanted to have sex and probably enjoys it.  Actually,
>that  is not so bad.  In fact that is probably pretty good (for certain 
>people at least.)  
>

	Can't agree more. Actually if a girl from Taipei remains virgin
	after she reach 25, either she's from a very conservative family,
	or she has some personality problems, or she has some personal
	probelms. Same for men. And I think that is too unhealthy.


	Paul


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From: ptyshih@watnow.uwaterloo.ca (Paul T.Y. Shih(Taku))
Subject: Re: "Do you mind if she's a virgin or not?"
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:41:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.014449.26417@cs.cornell.edu> wbchen@cs.cornell.edu (Wang-Bor Chen) writes:
>
>               +---+      +--+
> Men always    |   |      |--|
>               +---+      +--+         / |
>                         ---+---      /  \  0  | 0     _|  |_
>                         /  |__      /    \____|       _|  |_
>                        / \ |                          _|  |_
>                       /   \____                        |  |
>
>
>
>         WB,Chen
>         -------

	Come on, you know that women do this more often.
From: u235@rex.chb.uokhsc.edu (Yung-Jin Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: "Do you mind if she's a virgin or not?"
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:17:43 GMT
Organization: University of Oklahoma Health Sciences Center, OKC
Originator: usenet@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu

In article <BxHGM5.Guv@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> ptyshih@watnow.uwaterloo.ca (Paul T.Y. Shih(Taku)) writes:
>In article <sJB=H4+@engin.umich.edu> chyang@australorp.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
>>
>>If she is not a virgin, fine for me too.
>>It tells me this girl wanted to have sex and probably enjoys it.  Actually,
>>that  is not so bad.  In fact that is probably pretty good (for certain 
>>people at least.)  
>>
>
>	Can't agree more. Actually if a girl from Taipei remains virgin
>	after she reach 25, either she's from a very conservative family,
>	or she has some personality problems, or she has some personal
>	probelms. Same for men. And I think that is too unhealthy.
>
>
>	Paul
>
	Virgin or not is nothing to do with conservative family
	or personality problem.  A virgin should be proud of
	herself.  If what paul said is true, what about the nuns of
	Catholic?  Do they all have personality problem?  I strongly
	believe Paul has serious personality problems.   Yung-jin
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From: tsay%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Chey-Woei Tsay)
Subject: Re: Reduldant and stupid obligatory military service
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:34:02 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept


I just read the book "Subtle is the Load -- Enstein's Science and Life".
It's funny to find out that Enstein also avoided military service
on purpose. According to the book, he did this because he was
terrified by the soldiers in a parade who followed the line without
own thought.

tsay
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From: bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca (Luc Bauwens)
Subject: Re: KMT campus spying activities in the U.S.
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 18:39:21 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <9231222.17195@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
>I dare Tim Chuang (and others who agree with him) to name *ONE* country in
>the world which did not spy on their citizens involved in anti-government
>activities overseas!
 
Hmmm...

Well, I am pretty sure that my own country does not care about what I
might say or write about its domestic politics, nor about the people
I would associate with, etc..., etc...  

And I am pretty sure that most countries of the world are like that,
with the exception, of course, of a few paranoic governments.

But of course, it's the sort of thing that cannot ever be proved, 
because if country x does not spy on its citizen, then there are
just no traces of spying; it's not that there will be traces of
not-spying...  So, the question above is just plain manipulative
in the way it is formulated.

If you can't win in the issue, let's manipulate the language, right? :-)

>(of course, I don't have to remind you of the publicity of Clinton's anti-US
>activity in UK.)

So what?  Was that ever held against him?

Luc B


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From: pan@arete.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Victor Pan)
Subject: time to make money!!
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 18:20:39 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523


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From: mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: KMT campus spying activities in the U.S.
Date: 5 Nov 1992 09:38:43 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

		Campus spies from Taiwan in UCLA
								May 29, 1991

Mr. Lai Shiao-Lee was arrested along with the other four
in the recent crackdown of freedom of speech on May 9, 1991 
by Taiwan KMT (KuoMingTung or Nationalist) government.  He was later
released.  Mr. Lai said that, while he was detained by Investigation
Bureau(IB) of Taiwan, the interrogators told him that IB
has been "observing" Mr. Chen Jen-Ran who is one of the arrested and
a former graduate student of UCLA, and Taiwanese Student Association
(TSA) of UCLA for several years.  The interrogators also mentioned
the names of several current UCLA TSA members who are on IB's
blacklist.
	
According to the most recent news report from Taiwan, Investigation
Bureau has openly claimed that they have been "observing"
Mr. Chen since he participated in a Taiwanese study group
in UCLA.   This "observation" work and the collection of names 
apparently are done by some campus agnets in UCLA. 

The four arrested people was originally charged with article 2.1 of
the notorious Statute for the Punishment of Sedition which would 
automatically sentence them to death if convicted.   Due to domestic and 
international protest and pressure, the charge was reduced.   However, 
the four arrested people are still facing jail term up to ten-year.
From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Taiwan News (late)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:06:48 GMT

In article <9231621.6858@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:

>When is last time you went to HongKong?  The term used to be a racist term
>describing "white" people, but it has since become an "acceptable" and
>"politically correct" term for describing "white" people.  Europeans in Hong
>Kong refer to themselves as "guei lo", the term is no longer a racist term.
>To your surprise, I was talking to an European working in Taiwan, and
>the very first time I met him, he called himself "guei lo".

Just this doesn't mean that it isn't a racist epithet.  The Koreans in Japan,
before World War II, probably referred to themselves as "Chosenjin"(sp) as
well, but that doesn't mean that that is not a racist epithet.

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From: idpt167@tpts1.seed.net.tw
Subject: Hello from Taiwan
Organization: Seednet Information Service Center
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1992 09:17:45 GMT


Hi,

This is a test post from SEEDNET, Taiwan.
Please let me know if you can read this posting via e-mail.
Thanks.

--
Hsu-Ku "Bruce" Ying                E-Mail: idpt167@tpts1.seed.net.tw
Software Engineer                  TEL: 886-2-2452227 ext. 352
ARMAS Computer Corp.               FAX: 886-2-2452218
2F #9 Lane 327 Sec. 2 Chung-Shan Road, Chung-Ho City, Taipei, Taiwan
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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Reduldant and stupid obligatory military service
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 23:55:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.132210.20093@doug.cae.wisc.edu> kao@cae.wisc.edu (Chengheng Kao) writes:

>Remenber Einstein is a Jew and the German were not very kind to Jew. Second,
>the German army was loyal the the king of German not to the people at that
>time. ( I hope I remenber the  German history correctly.) Third, the German
>army was an offensive force and the ROC is a offensive force. In my opion, the
>third point makes the greatest difference, an offensive force is going to
>start a war , to start the killing, but a defensive force is to protect their
>homeland, protect its family and wife.

I think the second point, if your implication was that the Taiwanese army is
loyal to the Taiwanese people, not to the regime, is then disputable.
Premier Hao (who still has the power of the military on his side, in the
forms of allies as commanders) has publicly stated that the army will *not*
protect a Republic of Taiwan should Taiwan become independent.  To me, that
is a strong declaration that the army is loyal to the present regime, not to
the people.

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From: ptyshih@watnow.uwaterloo.ca (Paul T.Y. Shih(Taku))
Subject: Re: KMT campus spying activities in the U.S.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:07:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.153247.17242@oakhill.sps.mot.com> kenw@austlcm.sps.mot.com (kenw) writes:
>
>
>I am stunned by the incredible reasoning behind this posting. Let me remind you 
>two things.
>  
>(1) Just because everyone is doing it does not justify any evil. 
>
>(2) Just beacuse God allows it to happen does not mean it is good. 
>
>
	I am stunned by your follow-up too. Let me remind you two things.

	(1)Just because everyone is doing it doesn't mean that it is
	   a bad thing to do.

	(2)The reason why god allow it to happen is because it is
	   worthwhile happnening. Which means that it is not necessarily
	   bad.


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From: dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby)
Subject: Re: KMT campus spying activities in the U.S.
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 06:58:33 GMT

tchuang@cello.ecn.purdue.edu (Tim D. Chuang) writes:

>Is the Kuomingtang justified to abuse human rights just because other
>countries do it?  Are any countries justified to abuse human rights?  If
>you believe human rights violations are a necessary evil, what would you 
>think if your your own rights are violated?  Would you be willing to just 
>take it and assume that it is a part of the natural order of things?

Monitoring anti-government activities is human right abuse????

That beeps me.  :)

Also, if other countries do it, too, that does justify KMT, simply because
even if KMT wasn't ruling the island, the *other* government (who ever it
might've been) will probably do the same.  What do you want?  no government?

-- 
1)-----------------------Rev 6:8 "... They were given authority over a quarter
of the Earth, to kill by the sword, by famine, by plague, and wild beasts."
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From: kao@cae.wisc.edu (Chengheng Kao)
Subject: Re: Reduldant and stupid obligatory military service
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Date: 9 Nov 92 12:26:56 CST
Originator: kao@sun-28.cae.wisc.edu


In article <BxGJ9A.JDx@ecf.toronto.edu>, huangs@ecf.toronto.edu (HUANG SUNG CHING) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov8.132210.20093@doug.cae.wisc.edu> kao@cae.wisc.edu (Chengheng Kao) writes:
|> >
|> >army was an offensive force and the ROC is a offensive force. In my opion, the
|>                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> 
|>      ROC is an offensive force?  That is the first time that I have heard of
|> it.  I do not know that we have the ability to "retake" Mainland China.
|> 
|> 



To all the netters who think ROC army is not loyal to the people and who 
think ROC army is aggresive in nature.



As a veteran, I take your doubts personally and I feel very much
insulated. I hope you come to your conclusions out of ignorance 
instead of malice.

Allow me to remind you my personal observation in the servce. My
personal experience may be limited but there are no reason to doubt its 
generality.

I don't care what politians say about the purposes of the ROC army. Judging
from the intellengence of the enlisted men, the characteristics of ROC army
cannot be defined by a single person.

In current time, there is no way you can ask the enlisted men to engage a
war against their will. They are much more sophisticated than that. 

In other countries, other times, may be you can fool the people into
war, but not now in taiwan.

I don't means to imply the ROC army is gun-shy or something, given 
the right reasons I believe the ROC army can be the bravest army in
 the world.
From: idpt167@tpts1.seed.net.tw (PC_USR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Today's News
Date: 5 Nov 1992 23:36:24 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Follow-up to Message-ID: <92311.095102NTITT041@TWNMOE10.BITNET>

Wang Chien-Hsuan shall be a candidate for legislator in the *north*
region of Taipei city.  His competitors include fellow KMTer's
Kuan Chung and Ting Shou-Chung.

--
Hsu-Ku "Bruce" Ying                E-Mail: idpt167@tpts1.seed.net.tw
Software Engineer                  TEL: 886-2-2452227 ext. 352
ARMAS Computer Corp.               FAX: 886-2-2452218
2F #9 Lane 327 Sec. 2 Chung-Shan Road, Chung-Ho City, Taipei, Taiwan

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Date: Thu,  5 Nov 1992 18:17:20 -0500 
From: Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Asian votes on the presidential election
	<gong.75.720954710@dutw34.tudelft.nl>

Mr. Gong,
    
            We don't always win. I believe that we Asian must believe in
self-reliance because our governments demand that we rely on ourselves.
I also beleive that tthis self-reliance has made most of us selfishly
materialistic. The problem in the Black-American community is something
that we can only assume. Until, you live under those conditions(any
condition) one is only an outsider looking in. 
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From: u235@rex.chb.uokhsc.edu (Yung-Jin Lee)
Subject: Re: "Do you mind if she's a virgin or not?"
Originator: usenet@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 05:50:22 GMT
Organization: University of Oklahoma Health Sciences Center, OKC

In article <1992Nov9.220043.9968@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pchang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pei-Yuan Chang) writes:
>In article <sJB=H4+@engin.umich.edu> chyang@australorp.engin.umich.edu (Chung H
>siung Yang) writes:
>>
>
>>    Anyway, my feeling is when I get married, I will want to be married
>>to a woman who have experiences, able to be assertive, and knows exactly
>>what she wants.  This way, life is much more fun.  If the person I married
>>to happen to be a virgin, fine!  If she remained a virgin because of her
>>own will and not societies norm.  If she is not a virgin, fine for me too.
>>It tells me this girl wanted to have sex and probably enjoys it.  Actually,
>>that  is not so bad.  In fact that is probably pretty good (for certain
>>people at least.)
>>
>
>Honey, I agree with you.  Why marry a virgin (no matter male or female)?  They
>must be dull at lovemaking!

	Dull?  What a joke!  I don't want to speak for all men here.
	However, it is definitely NOT true and I can guaranttee it
	from the point of sexual feeling.  Gee, I think we probably
	move this topic to alt.sex.  Although I have a lot to say,
	I just can't say any more here....  Christine, I am afraid
	that you don't understand it at all.  YJ

>
>Besides, someone said that men will say they don't care whether their wives are
>virgins or not in mouth, but in their minds...Mm..., totally different.  Well.
>
>To men: you honeys, we are going to 21th century...
>
>--Christine
From: blee@digi.lonestar.org (Benjamin W. Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: KMT campus spying activities in the U.S.
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:56:05 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications, Plano Tx.

In article <9231412.15685@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
>To the Canadian:
>
>If you're not Chinese, then, shut your mouth up!
>
>Didn't your mother teach you not to get involved in other people's
>domestic dispute?
>
>-- 
>1)-----------------------Rev 6:8 "... They were given authority over a quarter
>of the Earth, to kill by the sword, by famine, by plague, and wild beasts."

This got to be one of the BEST article around s.c.t this year.
Sometimes I couldn't believe the behavior and temperament that some of us
have. Well, just another one of those days I guess.

To Joyous, not to discourage you, but PLEASE, don't spoil all the image
for us. I don't have to BEG, do I? Listen, learn, then speak up, OK? You
can only do one thing at a time.
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From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Subject: Re: Reduldant obligatory military service
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:59:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.152216.3994@vax.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov2.141320.11074@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
>> 
>> 	First of all, even though I did serve in the military, I had
>>	...
>> 	service"). Even though I was in a very comfortable position,
>> 	I have no problem in labeling that time as wasted.
>
>	** Sorry, YK, I am just picking on you.

	Oh, no problems, I am used to it now :-)

>	   To my reasoning, only a fool can waste his time. Confucius said:
>	...

	Well, I must be a fool then. I always think if I can choose where
	I can serve the country can be better off. Therefore, I conclude
	that the time was wasted because the country did not get the best
	of me. Wasting time is a subjective perception, I am glad that you
	feel your time is not wasted. You would not be serving your duty by
	teaching how to take advantage of geologic history during combat
	condition, would you? :-)

	As Mr. Confucius' saying, well, I haven't pay much attention to
	him for a while now. Is he still trying to find an official position
	in the government? He should simply join the military service unit
	to fullfil his dream :-)

Yung-Kao Hsu

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From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Subject: Re: Reduldant and stupid obligatory military service
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:15:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.173402.18590@hellgate.utah.edu> tsay%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Chey-Woei Tsay) writes:
>
>I just read the book "Subtle is the Load -- Enstein's Science and Life".
>It's funny to find out that Enstein also avoided military service
>on purpose. According to the book, he did this because he was
>terrified by the soldiers in a parade who followed the line without
>own thought.


	There are at least two persepectives in this.

	Einstein is admired for his contribution to the science
	and not his personality. I think we too often expand our
	respect to one's contribution/achievement to the area that
	has no ground for.

	Secondly, given that Einstein is a Jew (it really doesn't matter
	that he is a Jew but being a Jew he would be more aware of the
	reality of the situation), and the time he was in Germany is before 
	pre-World War II, it is quite reasonable for him to reach this 
	decision.

Yung-Kao Hsu
From: selina@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca (Selina Glynn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: [youth] teenage parenthood in China
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:34:07 GMT
Organization: Defence and Civil Institute of Environmental Medicine

In article <1992Nov8.011122.19573@leland.Stanford.EDU> chungdan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Zhong Qi Iao (Daniel)) writes:
>     The seven-o'clock Chinese language news talked about teenage
>pregnancy in Taiwan.  What a deterioration of western winds to China!
>I believe that (I complained a lot about this in certain discussion-
>groups) it is the responsibility of every adult -- especially those
>adults who think that they are adult and see romantically/sexually
>liberal movies and magazines.  They create a market and culture for
>the young to get exposed to.  And look! their young gets infected with
>ideas which their society had to deal with.  And money cannot pay to
>remedy this.
>
>						Zhong

It's very interesting that you called this age old phenomenon "a
deterioration of western winds to China".  In the "good" old days, people got
married at very young age.  After that they were given the recognition as 
adults.  It wasn't that long ago, when people recognized that teenagers
were sexually active and were ready to get married.  Now we don't want
teenagers to get married but want them to suppress their natural needs.
Unfortunately, it wasn't the western winds that caused problem, it happened
all the time except we have never accepted it as "normal teenage
behavior".  The only difference is, in the west it is more acceptable.
I can remember teenage pregnancies ten, fifteen years ago.  It might not be
recognized as a problem, but it happened even back then.  Don't kid
yourself that teenagers had more moral control back then.  

But I do agree the movies, ads, and magazines keep throwing at young people 
these days.  You can't have it both ways.  On one hand most people think 
Miss Hongkong, Miss Asian, stars are respectable.  Unless people discredit 
these activities, you can't stop young people from using their bodies to 
made a quick buck.  In short, I don't think morality is a problem, but
commercialization of romantical/sexual activities are.



Selina
-- 
	Selina Wong-Glynn, DCIEM, Canadian Forces Base Toronto 
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        or uunet!mnetor!dciem!dretor!selina or nrcaer!dciem!dretor!selina
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From: nhuang@cs.ulowell.edu (BuBuBuBill. Bat Man? no, i am one of the x-men)
Subject: Re: Do you mind he is a virgin or not?
Keywords: Like a virgin
Organization: X-MEN STUDIO
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:56:02 GMT

In article <28106@castle.ed.ac.uk> ifan@festival.ed.ac.uk (Shen I-Fan) writes:
>
>Until you have a scientific way to examine.
>

i only need a woman to prove that i am, who wants do it? ;-)
btw, any female read this newsgroup? no no, female politician is not counted,
never.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: pchang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pei-Yuan Chang)
Subject: Re: "Do you mind if she's a virgin or not?"
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:24:27 GMT

Ya!  You are absolutely right!

Besides, to the one relating lovemaking and AIDS: dear, don't you wear a
condom?  Please don't be so stupid, ok?

--Christine
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Shanghai from M.I.T.
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 21:10:39 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

A few articles ago I've post some info. about anonymous FTP to M.I.T. to
get a copy of xmahjonng.  Thanks for someone who correct my previous mistake.
I'd post everything here once again:


(1)  ANONYMOUS FTP TO export.lcs.mit.edu
(2)  bin
(3)  cd contrib
(4)  mget xvmah*
(5)  quit
(6)  uncompress <file>.tar.Z
(7)  mkdir <file>
(8)  cd <file>
(9)  tar xf ../<file>.tar
(10) xmkmf
(11) make depend
(12) make

The EXACT filenames are xvmahjongg+.tar.Z and xvmahjongg.tar.Z, resp.  The
1st file is merely an add-on so most of you do not need it.  This version of
xmahjonng runs on color X, grey-scale and monochrome X.  As far as I know,
that things runs on almost all UNIX platforms, under SunView, Motif, OpenLook,
.....

I guess it also runs on NeXT as well.


- Louis



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