From: rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Subject: Re: CNN CENSORS PRO-LIFE AD
Originator: rja@redwood26
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:18:07 CDT


In article <1992Jul18.145459.21807@mcs.gvsu.edu>, orr@newton.mcs.gvsu.edu (Wes Orr {Academic Computing}) writes:
> In article <BrHvJ7.8zB@cs.dal.ca> franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve "edified" Franklin) writes:
> >In <22414@oasys.dt.navy.mil> bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense) writes:
> >
> >>                          Then again, the pro-lifers aren't going
> >>to be honest about this, are they? No! They'll show bodies of miscarried
> >
> >   Well, although I would never agree with such an action, it really doesn't
> >make a difference does it? I mean, it is probably more tasteful to
> >show the bloody miscarriage, rather than the dismemberment of suction,
> >the desperation of salination, or more. 
> >   You see, especially with the salination technique of abortion ,
> >the baby is sometimes alive still when it is removed. So, now what do 
> >we have? We have a BABY - a HUMAN - a LIVE BEING that is dying. Seems
> >like a contradiction doesn't it? There have been many documented cases
> >where they didn't fully kill the unborn child in the womb, and have had to
> >leave it to die in the outer world, where supposedly by your feeble definitions
> >it has status. Does this make sense? no, clearly not... Face it, your
> >arguments are twisted and fragile, and when your definition of "human life"
> >fails to work, you try and concoct another. Lovely tactics.
> >
> Steve, I am forced to agree with you.  I have read of these accounts of 
> "unsuccessful abortions" resulting in live babies dying from the 
> salt poisoning.

Then you'll be happy to hear that the saline method of abortion is no longer 
used (see below).

  I believe I also heard of a baby surviving the 
> salting out process and being nurtured back to health.  One certainly
> must make a leap of faith by stating that the fetus is not life, is not
> human, is not worthy of our protection and that a women's choice should
> be allowed even if the act kills the fetus.  I am sickened by these arguments
> and this is a fundamental reason I have serious doubts about Clinton.
> I have some with Bush, though, as well.  I cherish the day when a women's
> reproductive choice no longer kills what I believe to be unborn children.
> I do believe the choice should be available in earlier stages given that
> the embryo should be anesthesized prior to its destruction.  This would 
> prevent any pain a living entity might have to endure.  I will end by saying
> that I value all human life and will not, for political reasons, be 
> forced to accept the assertions of either the extremes in the pro-life or 
> the pro-choice camps.

From the Minneapolis StarTribune, Sat Oct 26, 1991, p5B:

        ABORTION/ Doctor says saline method discarded
[...]
        Saline solution is no longer used as an abortion technique,
        said Dr. Mildred Hanson, who does abortions in Minneapolis.
        "Nobody uses saline anywhere," she said.  "It is accompanied
        by a risk of bleeding and also by a risk of some of that
        saline going into maternal circulation."
[...]
        Today, abortions in the first trimester usually are by
        suction aspiration.  Late-stage abortions are done by a
        surgical procedure.

        Only three or four doctors perform late-stage abortions,
        said Patricia Anderson with the National Abortion Federation.
        "There are a handful of third-trimester abortions that are
        done in instances of serious fetal anomalies or in the case
        of a pregnancy threatening a woman's life.  And only under
        those conditions," she said.
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Russ Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
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