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From: rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Amtrak Stations
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:37:34 GMT
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
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In article <15423@umd5.umd.edu>, gurd@next04wor.wam.umd.edu (Daffy Duck) writes:
|> The Washington Times, devoted almost its entire money section Today
|> (Sunday, Sept. 13) to Amtrak's stations and how they are helping the  
|> company increase ridership.

It's very surprising that The Washington Times, the mouthpiece of
an extremist right-wing organization, would extol the virtues of 
the government-run Amtrak.   Still, it's a good article.

The article failed to mention the total gutting and reconstruction
of Boston's South Station, which reopened in November 1989.
Like Washington Union Station, South Station has become a destination
for many people who are not taking trains.   Its food court is
quite popular among people who work in the adjacent financial 
district.

The station's owner, the Mass. Bay Transportation Authority (MBTA)
is about to start construction on an intercity bus terminal 
which will replace several existing bus stations scattered 
around the downtown and Back Bay areas.  Unfortunately, this will
be built above the existing open-air rail platforms.   It will
increase the station's usefulness, but (in my opinion) reduce
its architectural and esthetic value.

Ron Newman		rnewman@bbn.com
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From: rl@ferris.cray.com (Randy Lambertus)
Subject: Re: Most spectacular passenger routes
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 7 Sep 92 03:08:15 CDT

In article <2450@tymix.Tymnet.COM> romeo@niagara.Tymnet.COM (Michael Stimac) writes:
>
>Just to throw a curve in this discussion, I'll offer a different
>opinion. Everyone's comments on this question assume that what
>makes a train ride "spectacular" is nature's scenery.
>
> (text deleted....)
>
>One of my best thrills was riding south on this line from
>New York 2 feet from the driver (but still technically not
>_in_ the driver's cabin). 
>

  I agree with you Micheal. I rode the Metroliner from NYC to
Washington DC standing in the front, next to the engineer and
I think that it is as close to driving a train as you can get.
We even hit a pigeon in Philly doing about 50. I think most
of us always try to get to the front whenever possible. I sat
behind the engineer from Grand Central to New Haven on the old
United Aircraft Truboliner, and usually get the front car on
the NYC subways and PATH so I can look through the front door.
The tunnels are very interesting. Scenery is nice, but railroad
scenery is even nicer!


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From: ggg9y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Garth G. Groff)
Subject: Re: List of surviving US steam locomotives (part 2/2)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:14:59 GMT

RE: EISENHOWER LOCOMOTIVE

Coincidencees.  I just happened to pick up a copy of
ARMY RESERVE MAGAZINE (Volume 38, Number 2; second 
issue of 1992--no month noted) during my break.  It
had a article on preparing the Dwight D. Eisenhower
for movement "last summer" (1991?) from Green Bay to
Abilene for the Eisenhower Centennial.  To summarize, 
the engine was borrowed by the National Archives for
display during the celebration.  Members of the
1150th and 1152nd Transportation Companies of Wisconsin
got the engine ready for movement on its own wheels.
Four soldiers rode in one of the coaches to provide
lubrication maintenance (and presumably some security).
The article has a brief history of the engine, but 
mainly relates the soldiers' experiences and feelings
about the project.  There are four photos.

~S
--
Garth (Haridas) Groff
"Not yet famous author"
ggg9y@poe.acc.virginia.EDU         Chant "Govinda Bohlo Hare"
From: drw@esl.com (Dave Waters)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Maintainance on CalTrain?
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:08:28 GMT
Followup-To: rec.railroad,ba.tranportation
Distribution: usa
Organization: ESL Inc.

In article <1992Sep10.120052@wsl.dec.com>, gnn@wsl.dec.com (George
Neville-Neil) wrote:
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> 	Does anyone out there know who is in charge of maintainance
> for CalTrain?  Specifically motive power and rolling stock?  I'd like
> to have a little talk with them.  I'd also like to get a copy of their
> recent logs since they should now be a matter of public record.
> 
> Thanks,
> George

Amtrak currently is the contractor operating the commute service which is
owned (?) by the Joint Powers Board (counties). One would assume they
inherited the maintenance records from Caltrans (CA Dept. of Trans.) who,
when they operated the service, contracted with the SP for maintenance. SP
appears to still do the actual work. Good luck!
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From: inky@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (barbara.l.leone)
Subject: Maple Lead
Keywords: Falls
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 11:48:06 GMT

I am planning a trip to Niagara Falls in the
Spring, 1993 and would appreciate any information
on the Amtrak route (Maple Leaf) New York to
Niagara Falls.

Thanks,
Barbara Leone
bll@hotld!att.com

Newsgroups: rec.railroad,ba.tranportation
From: johnm@hpmcaa (John Mosbarger)
Subject: Re: Maintainance on CalTrain?
Organization: HP Cardiology Business Unit - McMinnville, OR
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Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:15:05 GMT

Dave Waters (drw@esl.com) wrote:

> Amtrak currently is the contractor operating the commute service which is
> owned (?) by the Joint Powers Board (counties). One would assume they
> inherited the maintenance records from Caltrans (CA Dept. of Trans.) who,
> when they operated the service, contracted with the SP for maintenance. SP
> appears to still do the actual work. Good luck!
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

     Apparently maintenance is performed by SP at Roseville.  I have seen
Caltrans FP40's dead-in-train heading west from there.  I understand that
these engines are not to be run as a powered unit in any consist.

> Dave Waters
> WA6AWZ
> E-mail: drw@esl.com or 73277.311@compuserve.com
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From: leveret@warren.demon.co.uk (Nick Leverton)
ReplyTo: leveret@warren.demon.co.uk
Subject: Re: Railfan Plates
Distribution: world
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Organization: Indexed; Access: Random.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:22:15 +0000

In article <1992Sep04.193057.8280@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com> johnm@hpmcaa (John Mosbarger) writes:

>     At this year's Winterail shindig in Stockton, there were the typical
>"foamer" personalized plates, but two interesting vehicles.
[...details of nattily painted motor vehicles...]
>                                                                   Now that's
>hardcore!

The famous British railway photographer and diesel-hydraulic fanatic
John Vaughn used to use a Ford Prefect which was painted in the
then-standard British Rail Blue, and with a nameplate from a Western
class d-h painted on.

I can't remember which Western he commemorated, but I was always very
disappointed that it wasn't Western Prefect ...

Nick Leverton
-- 
"Government spending on the |  Lies, damned lies and Department of
 railways has increased."   |  Transport press statements.
From: elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L. Werkema)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: CSX in Columbia, SC
Date: 9 Sep 1992 03:41:19 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L. Werkema)
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In a previous article, kwyatt@ccscola.Columbia (Kershner Wyatt) says:

>Identification please--
>
>Lately, there has been a new addition to the normal SD-40-2 traffic running
>behind my house.  It is on the Columbia, Newberry, and Laurens section of CSX,
>here in South Carolina.  The unit appears to be a SD-40-2, painted red and
>medium yellow with the big letters SF.  I have seen it four times
>now, but never in a position to get a really good look at it.  It sounds in
>pretty sad shape.  Generally working coal drags, in second or third position,
>never lead.
>
>Ideas?

Hmmm...that sounds like a unit painted in the SPSF post-merger paint scheme:
black roof, red and yellow "warbonnet."  Santa Fe's post-merger painted units 
only had the "SF" painted on them, SP's only had "SP" painted on them.  
Unfortunately, no SD40-2's survive in this scheme.  The only SF-lettered units
which survive are the 15 or so C30-7's Santa Fe traded back to GE before they 
got repainted.  CSX has leased several of these C30's, so if the engine you 
saw had an 8000 or 8100 class number, that's what it is.  
  If it really is an SD40-2, I don't know what it is.  SP only had SD40T-2's,
and Santa Fe's have all been repainted.
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From: CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Via
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:24:19 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <1685EA27F.M00209@MBVM.Mitre.Org> M00209@MBVM.Mitre.Org writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.151458.17134@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
>inky@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (barbara.l.leone) writes:
>
>>I have travelled the northern and southern routes
>>on Amtrak and have enjoyed it...I would appreciate
>>any information on train travel across Canada on
>>the Via.
>>
>VIA runs the "Canadian" three days a week between Toronto and Vancouver via
>Winnipeg, Edmonton and Jasper.  They have recently upgraded the service.  The
>train typically sells out months in advance (especially in the summer).  East
>of Toronto, you can connect to it by Amtrak from New York or by VIA from
>Montreal or Ottawa.  An overnight stay in Toronto may be required - I forget
>the schedule details.  Amtrak NY-Toronto of course runs once a day;  VIA runs
>I think 6 trains a day between Montreal and Toronto and I think 4 a day from
>Ottawa.  If you want a TRULY transcontinental trip, you can take a VIA train
>between Halifax and Montreal overnight any night except Wednesday.  The service
>alternates day;  one day it is the "Ocean" via Campbellton, the next the
>"Atlantic" via Saint John.   If you liked Amtrak, you'll LOVE VIA!!  ENJOY!
>
The westbound "Canadian" leaves Toronto at 12:45 Tuesday, Thursday,
and Saturday.  Same-day connections are available from Montreal,
Ottawa, Windsor, or Sarnia.  An overnight stay in Toronto would be
required if you were coming from New York.

The eastbound "Canadian" arrives in Toronto at 21:50 Tuesday, Thursday,
and Saturday.  No same-day connections available.

I've heard that the "Canadian" is completely sold out only for the
westernmost part of the trip, from Edmonton or Jasper to Vancouver
(of course, that's the part most people wouldn't want to miss, but
if you should happen to be interested in going from, say, Toronto to
Winnipeg, don't be discouraged by reports of sell-outs).

Just nitpicking on Len's reply, but the Halifax-Montreal service is
every night except Tuesday.  The "Ocean" leaves Sunday, Wednesday, and
Friday, and the "Atlantic" Monday, Thursday, and Saturday.  Another very
nice trip is the "Chaleur" between Montreal and Gaspe.  Same days
as the "Atlantic."

I've been on all of these trains, and I have a timetable here next to
my terminal, so feel free to ask for further details.

Tom Box
CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
From: 31ochs@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: CSX in Atlanta(kinda long)
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:13:54 EST
Distribution: na
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Sep8.115133.23520@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, cab@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (carl.a.benevit) writes:
> In article <1992Sep6.035245.5150@gw.wmich.edu> 737ochs@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>>> Plus those GP39-2's CSX acquired from D&H/Guilford (ex-Reading):
>>> 12. D&H/Guilford grey
>>> 13. D&H blue & grey "lightning stripe"
>>> 14. Reading green and yellow
>>I believe there was also a green and yellow lightning stripe, I remember
>>seeing it one afternoon(no camera of course)
> 
> 	?
> Reading GP39-2's had yellow stripes on hood nose and hood tail with
> green on rest of engine (yellow #'s centered on long hood).
> 
>>These (GP39-2)were originally Reading 7400-7419, and then D&H same numbers,
> 
> Original Reading #'s 3400-3419, D&H 7400-7419.

OK, thanks, didn't know that. I knew they were 7400's before they came to
D&H.
As far as the green and yellow lightning stripe, I remember seeing one once
on a CSX train. I don't think it was the Reading green with yellow nose
stripes and the number on the long hood, I believe it was similar to the
blue and yellow one, but I could be wrong. It's been several years since I
seen it, and my memory about it is fading....

Also about my post, I noticed a mistake concerning some of the engine series,
just for you nitpickers, the 8700-8709 are the SD60's not 8600-8609.
8600's are the ex-Chessie SD50's. I didn't notice it until today.

Fred Ochs
31ochs@gw.wmich.edu  (vax)
ochs@sol.cs.wmich.edu (unix)
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From: eddie@railnet.nshore.ORG (Eddie Van Huffel)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Updated timetables
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 15:09:27 EDT
Distribution: na
Organization: Railnet BBS +1 216 786 0476

R.Todd.Minsk@dartmouth.edu (R. Todd Minsk) writes:

> In article <186isdINNsc4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
> jwj2@po.CWRU.Edu (Jerry W. Jordak) writes:
> 
> > 
> > I live in Cleveland, OH, and use a Conrail Pittsburgh Division timetable
> > with my scanner to track train movements, etc. However, the timetable
> > is dated 1/15/89, and since that time CR has changed some radio channels,
> > abandoned a couple lines, etc. Is there any chance of obtaining a current
> > timetable thru Conrail? Has anyone tried this before? Would they go along
> > with it? Any info would be greatly appreciated.
> > 
> > Thanx,
> > -Jer
> 
> Yards where crews originate/terminate, and especially those where the
> crew caller is, often have copies of employee timetables or timetable
> updates (known as "General Orders" on Conrail). Sometimes they are out
> in the open in or near the crew room, or you might find a generous
> sympathetic employee who will unofficially give some to you.  Doing so
> will be trespassing and stealing, so use your own judgement.
> 
> Todd Minsk, ferro-bibliographer


I have found that the time to look for the timetables, if you don't want to 
get too picky, is the time around the Daylight to Standard and vice=versa 
times of the year, when new tables are issued.  Employees are very generous 
with their old tables, if you ask, otherwise they are discarded.


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From: dfl@panix.com (Danny O'Bedlam)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: more on Amtrak's purchase of NY GPO
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:56:17 GMT
Organization: Panix, (New Yawk City)

In <1992Sep4.035611.22525@redsox.bsw.com> campbell@redsox.bsw.com (Larry Campbell) writes:
>Is this to be a surface line, or a subway?  If surface,
>is the entire width of the street to be closed to auto
>traffic?

	Light Rail is surface transit.  There is little chance (IMHO) that
the city of New York would go ahead with closing the entire length of
42nd street to traffic.  though that may be preferred by 'Auto-Free NY'.
I think the plan involves using 1 or 2 traffic lanes on one side of the
street.  the rest of the traffic, in both directions would have to use
the remaining lanes.
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From: gemmellj@merrimack.edu
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: need train song recommendations
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:58:53 GMT
Followup-To: rec.railroad
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA

In article <7475@skye.ed.ac.uk>, ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Ken Johnson) writes:
> 
> `Coronation Scot', of course.
> 
> -- Ken "daaaa, du-daaaa, du-du-du-du-du-daaaa,
>    du-daa-daa-daa-du-daa-daa-daa-daa DAAAA" Johnson
> 
> 
> -- 
> //// Advice to dieters:         ////  Ken Johnson, A I Applications Institute
> ////   Never eat more than      ////       80 South Bridge, EDINBURGH EH1 1HN
> ////   you can carry.           ////                 E-mail ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk

> ////              -- Miss Piggy ////     phone 031-650 2756  fax 031-650 6513


What about the song about Charlie getting stuck on the MTA (now the MBTA)
because he did not have enough $$ to get off it.  I don't know the
name of the song, but I think that some one in net land might.
From: rrw@elden.cse.nau.edu (Bob Wier)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Black Mesa gif
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:55:37 GMT
Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ
Originator: rrw@elden.cse.nau.edu

On the recently made available gif image of the Black
Mesa and Lake Powell, it's now on a different machine.

Try anonymous ftp to:

      rainbow.cse.nau.edu (134.114.64.24)
      in the directory /geo

  at least it was there 5 minutes ago!

  filename BMLP.gif

  ENJOY

 - Bob Wier

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                   College of Engineering
      Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff Arizona
  Internet: rrw@naucse.cse.nau.edu | BITNET: WIER@NAUVAX | WB5KXH
From: bruceb@mpd.tandem.com (Bruce Burden)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Need address for the "Friends of the Cumbers & Toltec"
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:37:34 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX





	Hi. Would some kind net.person either post or mail me the
     address for the Friends of the Cumbres & Toltec RR? 

	Also, can anybody make an informed statement as to whether
     the rotarys will open Cumbres Pass in '93?





							Thanks,
							   Bruce



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From: wes@uf.msc.edu (Wes Barris)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Has Milwaukee Road 261 left Green Bay?
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:13:40 GMT
Reply-To: wes@msc.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: AHPCRC, Minnesota Supercomputer Center

In article <1992Sep08.175548.14396@mixcom.com>, Joe.Russ <Joe.Russ@mixcom.mixcom.com> writes:
|> 
|> Does anybody know if Milwaukee Road S-3 261 left Green Bay for the
|> Twin Cities yet? I heard it was "suppose" to leave on Sept. 1, but
|> haven't heard anything.
|>  Joe R.
|>  WISE Div., NMRA
|> -- 
|> Joe.Russ@mixcom.com

I don't believe it is on its way yet.  When it arrives, it will probably be
located somewhere near the Jackson Street Roundhouse in St. Paul.  When I
hear something about it I will post what I know.

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From: rambler@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Dan Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: RE: Vancouver to Seattle by Amtrak
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:25:02 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

carl_henderson@um.cc.umich.edu (Carl Henderson) writes:
>In article <10SEP92.18560497.0067@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, CZ94 <CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> writes:
>> 
>> In article <8353@orbit.cts.com> rambler@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Dan Meyer) writes:
>> >CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94000) writes:
>> >>
>> >>From the Summer 1981 VIA timetable (which also lists Amtrak routes
>> >>into Canada):
>> >>
>> >>0700        Vancouver              2344
>> >>0724        New Westminster        2313
>> >>0800 (arr)  Blaine                 2212 (dep)
>> >>0818 (dep)                         2210 (arr)
>> >>0845        Bellingham             2145
>> >>0926        Mt. Vernon-Burlington  2105
>> >>1020        Everett                2011
>> >>1045        Edmonds                1947
>> >>1130        Seattle                1915
>> >
>> >This is not a train; it is Amtrak's Thruway service. Probably a 'hound.
>> >
>> Please note the date I gave above -- 1981.  I'm pretty sure it was a
>> train, on the verge of being axed.
>> 
>> Tom Box
>> CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
>> 
>Yes there was a train for a while.  I remember seeing its Superliner consist
>stopping in Bellingham in August, 1981.
>
>Carl

Ok ok ok ok.

I do understand that this was at one time an Amtrak train. 
the post that prompted all of this is long gone, but someone 
wanted to know if there was (currently) a passenger rail connection
between Seattle and Vancouver BC. 

Thanks to all of you who responded.
- Dan Meyer
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From: jneal@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jonathan Neal)
Subject: Cab-Riding on the NEC
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 04:44:45 GMT


Recently, some folks in rec.railroad were involved in a discussion about
how, on some Northeast Corridor Trains, one is able to sit behind the cab,
and see it through a glass barrier.  On what type of trains is this
possible? I would guess that on the Turboliners, since part of the the
coach section is in the lead engine, it is possible. But on other Amtrak
trains, how is this accomplished? I have not seen nor ridden on any trains
where this can be done.  I am very interested, because if this is true, I
will be the first person in that seat on NEC trains upon which I travel...

Jonathan Neal

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