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From: kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori)
Subject: Re: Wesley and Alexander
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 00:10:55 GMT

In article <_fyjb#b.kemnitz@netcom.com> kemnitz@netcom.com (Greg Kemnitz) writes:
>In article <92105.103353AUJDW@ASUACAD.BITNET> AUJDW@ASUACAD.BITNET writes:
>>I think that Wesley and Alexander should be both ejected into
>>space
>
>Only after being tortured horribly for weeks on end.
>
>
>>
>>I can't stand either of them, and I really wonder why the producers of
>>TNG keep putting in these little snobby brats who think they can act.
                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hold on a second. I'm in perfect agreement wrt the kid who plays Alexander.
But if you're implying that Wil Wheaton can't act, I'd like you to cite
some evidence.



>Because, there is an appeal to all the yuppiescum out there who like to
>see Cute Small Children on their screens, in nice Family Situations.

"I'm going to make this *real* simple for you, Mr. Crusher. Either you
tell them the truth or I will."

"Captain..."

"DISMISSED!"

Yeah. Real nice family situation. Gotta remember to do this more often
the next time I visit home.



>Agreed.  Also, having some conflict on the show that is larger than 
>that little bratoid whining "all you are about is your *honor.*  
     
No argument from me about that.


>>if you are with me, please respond.  I hope I am not
>>the only one out there who hates these pre-puberty,
>>New Kids on the Block loving brats.

I guess self-reflection is really painful, eh?


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TNG Lifelines: From "Yesterday's Enterprise" To "The First Duty" --
  "Prior to Starfleet Academy commencement ceremonies, an in-flight
   accident destroys five ships, including the one carrying Wesley
   Crusher" -- TV Guide: Mar. 28 - Apr. 3

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From: kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones)
Subject: Re: those things on their belts
Organization: UUNET Technologies, Inc
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 22:25:20 GMT

hendrick@ctron.com (Jim Hendrick) writes:
 > Who noticed the holster ???
 > 
 > Sorry, just an avid Linda Hamilton fan. ;-)

kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:
 > Sorry to burst your bubble; that wasn't Linda Hamilton.
 > 
 > Ishara Yar was played by Beth Touissant (IMO, a highly
 > mediocre and flat actress.)

Clearly we weren't looking at the same woman. :-)

Seriously, it's interesting how many people have confused this
Touissant with Hamilton.  I knew it wasn't Hamilton (being a True
Linda Hamilton fan :>), but noted the resemblance and continued
to think I'd seen this woman before somewhere.  What other
movies/TV has she worked on?

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From: kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones)
Subject: Re: Locarno = Kirk (Spoilers "First Duty"))
Organization: UUNET Technologies, Inc
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:04:32 GMT

goodwin@orionsci (Ben Goodwin) writes:
 > The Kobyashi Maru wasn't an exam.  It was a psychological
 > test.

tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
 > IN PART.  It was not an exam per se, but it was designed, IMHO, to drive home
 > the very really lesson that *there are times you can't win*.  Kirk COULD NOT
 > accept that, and it's a sign of gross immaturity.  It served him well in some
 > ways; he might never have survived the encounter with the First Federation
 > without it, to be sure.  But it is a deep, deep character flaw, and one that
 > was exploited magnificently well in ST2.

I disagree.  Kirk had faced the no-win scenario before ST2, and
he did not freeze.  In "City on the Edge of Forever" Kirk let
Edith Keeler die, even though he paid a horrible emotional price
for it.  In "Where No Man Has Gone Before" Kirk killed his best
friend Gary Mitchell when there was no other alternative.  In
"The Menagerie" Kirk was prepared to sentence Spock to death for
his mutiny and subsequent violation of General Order 7 (?
whatever the stay-away-from-quarantined-planets order is).

I think the author of the book version of ST2 got Kirk's
motivation for reprogramming Kobyashi Maru right:

   Kirk: "I hate to lose."

I do not see Kirk's refusal to accept defeat _before he is
defeated_ as a character flaw.  Facing death with dignity and
resignation is for people with more ego than brains.  The person
who kicks and screams and scratches and claws and fights for LIFE
will get my respect every time.

Kirk was torn up after Spock's death, but my God, who wouldn't be
given the friendship they had?

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From: kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones)
Subject: Re: SPOILEReview: "The First Duty"
Organization: UUNET Technologies, Inc
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:14:35 GMT

 > Now, Cadet Bozo decides he wants to do this manuever.  Why?  To go out in
 > style.  To make an impression.  Just like Kirk.

Ahem, this is what _Picard_ said.  He was speculating; he did
_not_ know for sure.  Wesley said that the whole team thought
they could perform the maneuver, so you can't reaonably pin all
the blame on Locarno.

 > HOWEVER, he risked all their lives, one person even got
 > killed.

They risked their own lives.  You talk as if they had no free
will.  The other tema members wanted the glory just as much as
Locarno did.

 > This wasn't a 'harmless prank' like Kirk's reprogramming.  The
 > last time it had been tried (what, 100 years before?),
 > everyone had been killed and the manuever had been outlawed.

Bah, one could easily suppose this was done to protect against
lawsuits.  There are a lot of silly rules enforced on college
campuses because some people don't know how to handle fire,
firearms, common household appliances and the like.
From: dkrause@miami.acs.uci.edu (Doug Krause)
Subject: Re: Lwaxana and computer
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 14 Apr 92 10:51:47 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Apr13.143540.913@news.larc.nasa.gov> ray@nmsb.larc.nasa.gov writes:
#I just got done watching 'Half a Life' and noticed that the computer's voice
#was not heard for the entire episode.  Can anyone confirm if this is typical
#of all the Lwaxana episodes (i.e. Lwaxana or computer, not both)?

In one episode (I wish I knew the titles as well as I know TOS) they
showed Lwaxana asking the computer where the holodeck was.

Douglas Krause                      One yuppie can ruin your whole day.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
University of California, Irvine    Internet: dkrause@orion.oac.uci.edu
Welcome to Irvine:  Yuppieland USA  BITNET: DJKrause@uci.edu
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From: runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan)
Subject: Re: A few comments THE FIRST DUTY brought up
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:38:22 GMT
Organization: HP, Cupertino, CA, USA

bbrown@willamette.edu (Brian Brown) writes:
>1)	When do kids in TNG learn Calculus?  ...
>	...  I got the impression
>	that both of them were learning in standard tracts, so why the big
>	age difference?

They were probably learning different parts of Calculus.  In elementary
school they teach you to count.  In college, I had to learn to count
again when I took number theory.

>	BYW, I have always thought that the 10 year-old learning Calc. was
>	unrealistic (that's why I remembered it), because, in general, the
>	learning facilities of children that age have not developed to the
>	point of being able to understand abstracts such as Calculus ...

The amusing part of this is that first semester calculus is just memorizing
the equations that work in certain situations (and, if you are lucky, you
also learn the theory behind those equations).  I could see teaching the
memorization part of calculus to younger childern because the memorization
ability is much better than that of an older child.

>2)	Why is Star Fleet Academy on Earth?  I always had the impression that
>	it was in orbit somewhere...

From the original Technical Manual, we have a diagram of the Star Fleet
Academy and it is a space station, hence many of Star Trek Fans will think
of the Academy as an orbital station.  However, the canonical response
now appears to be that the Academy is on Earth.  Now, it might have been
a branch of the Academy, but there was no indication that the orbital
Academy actually exists, hence another piece of non-canonical information
falls into dishonor.  <sigh>

Mark Runyan  {r.a.s. random rationalizer}
From: rabbit
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: why why why
Date: 9 Apr 92 05:40:39 GMT
Reply-To: rabbit
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc., Billerica, MA.
NNTP-Posting-Host: heretix.east.sun.com

hey people,

being new to the net i have notice one thing that bugs the hell out me.

for every question asked there are 200 replys.  come on guys. stop beating
a dead horse!!  i bet i could come up with a post with about 10 questions or
opinions. and i would start nothing but replys for about 4 months.

example:  	post:	wes sends mail (bull)
	reply:	it's not wes
	reply:	yes it is
	reply:	no it isn't
	reply:	oh yeah, wes is a jerk anyway
	reply:	no, he isn't
	reply:	yes he is
	reply:	i love and repect wes
	reply: 	i hate him
	reply:	he's not so bad	
	reply:	it's not wes
	reply:	yes it is

ahhhhhhhhhhh i going mad !!

now i am only trying to shake things up kids. i don't need any "your a jerk " replys

now i am going to sit back and watch how many replys i get. (it could take weeks)
From: andy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Andrew Hackard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Drew's Non-Spoiler Non-Review: "The First Duty"
Summary: KBVO dies...
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:40:05 GMT
Organization: Leapers For a Better Yesterday

No spoilers...

KBVO (Fox) in Austin has consistently been one of my favorite stations; they
support the Horns wholeheartedly, and they make an attempt to bring in quality
programming (MWC notwithstanding).

So, you'll understand why I was p***ed off that they showed us, not the second
act of "The First Duty", but a literal *black screen* for TEN minutes!!  We got
the picture back just in time for the bumper and third set of commercials.

Needless to say, we called the station--or tried to; not surprisingly, their
phone was busy.  Austin always has been a Trekker town. ;)

Anyway, what I saw I liked OK, but I sure wish I'd gotten to see the second
act.

[Note to anyone remotely affiliated with KBVO who might be reading this: You'd
 better have a damn good explanation for why we sat there without even a
 "Technical Difficulties" slide for several minutes, because frankly I'm not a
 happy camper, and neither are a significant number of my friends.]

-- 
--Andrew Hackard                    Disclaimer: As usual, I wasn't consulted.
  andy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu           

"The U.S. is the only highly industrialized nation that teaches eight years of 
 arithmetic, while others begin to lay the foundation for algebra and geometry 
 in primary grades."                              --Iris Carl, President, NCTM
From: Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Troi's mother and Alexandra
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 03:01:31 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <1992Apr14.092515.6975@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>

RE:  Alexander and the "cliched" concept of his not getting along with his
father...

I'm sure you're all speaking from your wealth of child-rearing experience
here.  As for me, the idea of a child who shows up on the Enterprise and is
defiant, and two months later is *still* defiant, is absolutely true to 
life.  More true to life, in fact, than most other things on Trek wherein
it always seems that character faults are "solved" within an episode or
two at most.  

Sure he's obnoxious.  So's his father.  To me, it's refreshing to finally 
see a character in a totally different situation and relationship, and one
that's not tied off neatly in time of a preview for next week's episode
wherein the exact same thing will happen, more or less.

PAD
From: ray@rss.dl.nec.com (Ray Humphrey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Question about "The Big Goodbye"
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:05:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: NEC America

I realize that "The Big Goodbye" is a first season episode, but I saw it
for the first time last night on local reruns.  My question for anyone
who knows is, why did they never deal with the intruder and its effect
on the holodeck?  The computer reported an intruder alert, several crew
members saw something strange, and the holodeck was clearly not operating
as programmed.  However, by the time they got off the holodeck and greeted
the bug-things, the episode was over.  No further mention of the problem or
the intruder was made.  Did I miss something?

Please email any responses, as the pertinence of this discussion is very
small (like, I'm the only one who cares).  Thanks in advance.

I am a recent subscriber to this newsgroup and must admit that I am out
of my league.  I love the show, but don't have the critical eye that most
posters here do.  However, for my two cents worth, the writing for TNG
displays just the sort of imagination which also pushes the frontiers of
science.  Sort of a "dare to dream" thing.  I definitely think that the
show represents one of our possible futures.  And I'm all for choosing
*positive* futures.  Keep up the good work!

-------------------------------------------------
T.ray            (don't say "No", just take half)
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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review: "The First Duty"
Keywords: TNG, Wesley, Academy
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:56:59 GMT

kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.230942.2304@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:

>>The difference in this case would probably have to be length of time in which
>>I'd known the "son" in question.  Picard's known Wes for about four years,
>>Locarno for a year and change.  And while extremely strong bonds can form
>>in those times (esp. the former), I'd be hard-pressed to compare them with
>>someone I *literally* helped raise to Wes's age.  

>Okay. That I can buy. 

>Personally, I think 4 years is long enough to make the bonds work -- at least
>well enough to convince me as a viewer that Picard *could* eventually
>forgive a betrayal like that (at least if Wes pulled some of the weight
>in his subsequent actions.) 

Oh, that's fine.  I think it's possible that Wes could somehow earn his
way back into Picard's good graces; but that doesn't seem to alter for me the
claim that Picard could have stacked the deck a lot more to make Wes choose
the way he did by bringing all these little possibilities up.  (That is what
originally started this, right?  :-) )

Tim Lynch
From: fritzw@cpl-mfh.UUCP (Fritz Wonnacott)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Need STNG Info -Please Help.
Date: 3 Apr 92 06:33:13 GMT
Organization: Clinical Pharmacokinetics Lab, SUNY at Buffalo

***
*** In article <1992Apr8.192316.2606@spcvxb.spc.edu>,
*** 0juan_e@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:
***

>
>To any Trekker within a lightyear of this post:
>
>    S.O.S.T.  Need information concerning Deep Space 9.
>I have heard rumors of this show and cancellation of STNG, please give
>confirmations on this.  Would greatly appreciate information on this
>subject in my E-mail -just REPLY to this post to invoke mailer, if you're
>new to InterNet.
>
>                             Thanks,
>                              Ned
>                              St. Peter's College



NOT!  Star Trek: TNG is scheduled to go at least until Season 7, then a 
possible movie series.
From: me308lab@ux.acs.umn.edu (Mechanical Eng consultant)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Why not down ?
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:49:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux.1992Apr11.204959.5249
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <1992Apr10.210627.361@pro-freedom.cts.com> pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras) writes:
>How come the Enterprise - D crew never thought to go down instead of to the
>side. Space is not restricted to sideways manuevers, so this constand
>moving to the side is odd.
>
>I have only ever seen this done in TWoK, when the Enterprise and Reliant
>are going at it.
>
>Think of it, the Big-E goes down, the Boseman misses the ship clear and eay
>the first time....
>
>Dave

ST, both TOS and TNG, have a long and illustrious history of ignoring 
the z axis.  In fact, they seem to do more manuevers in the fourth
dimention (time) than they do in the third. 

Wouldn't it be cool to see the E-D intercept a ship, or fight a battle,
where the principle vessels were in different planes of orientation?

Oops, I seem to be drifting into r.a.s.tech territory.  MAYDAY!  MAYDAY!
-- 
Tola H. Marts   \\\   ME at MN   \\\   email: TMARTS@VX.ACS.UMN.EDU

   "You'll be the mule, I'll be the plow, come harvest time,
    we'll work it out."- Nancy Griffith, _Troubled Fields_
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: bsb2u@helga5.acc.Virginia.EDU (Brian Samuel Bevins)
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review: "The First Duty"
Keywords: TNG, Wesley, Academy
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 06:37:48 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.212600.7612@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mikeh@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (michael p.herlihy) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.001430.13295@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
>>WARNING:  The following article contains critical spoiler information about 
>>this week's TNG episode, "The First Duty".  Those not wishing to be caught 
>>off-guard by spoilers before seeing the show are advised to stand clear.
>
>
>>...maneuver called a Jaeger loop...
>
>I thought this maneuver was called a Yeager loop named after:
>
> 
>
>Chuck Yeager - the first person to break the sound barrier


Yes!  The maneuver they showed in the video simulation was a Yeager
Loop.  This really exists.

-- 

-Brian Bevins
bsb2u@virginia.edu
bevins@cebaf.gov
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 08:40:59 CDT
From: Nancy Bulinski <U27468@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Patrick Stewart article

In article <rccarm00.702610742@mik.uky.edu>, rccarm00@mik.uky.edu (ron c carman)
says:
>
>From an article in a local paper about Patrick Stewart, written by James
>Brady.  Just a few quotes from him which are, I feel, worthy of comment:
>My comments are enclosed in []...
>
   -------- much deleted ------------

>   "Retire?" I asked.  "Well," he said, "my contract is up in 1993, and
>I'm planning to do classical theater, 'Lear' and 'Macbeth'.  I'm the
>right age now to play the heavies."  Does that mean au revoir to the
>Enterprise?  "I'd be balmy to do that," he said.  "But if we do a sixth
>season, we might work something out."
>
>          [If contracts expire in '93, that pretty much]
>          [shoots down the rumors of a seventh season. ]
>
>|rccarm00@ukpr.uky.edu       ||  What you have chosen is at hand.'      |
   Actually, this could work out to the benefit of "Number 1"...
Wasn't there an episode where Riker did some soul-searching about
how long he would be content to be "Number 1" and not "Captain"?

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From: lllowen@netcom.com (lllowen)
Subject: Re: Picard remembers Starburst (minor TFD spoiler)
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 01:30:12 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <aelman.702602908@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> 
aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman) writes:
>
>Or _maybe_, just _maybe_, it was a legend at the school and common
>knowledge among the cadets.  There are a lot of examples of stories
>being passed along from one class to another at colleges -- why should
>Starfleet Academy, especially as a military-style academy, be any
>different?  Picard probably knew of the "legend", and Geordi's mention
>of the coolant interlock happened to click with his memory of this
>story, and he realized what the Nova squadron had been trying to do.
>
>It seems perfectly reasonable to me that someone moderately familiar
>with the methods and history of the flight team at Starfleet Academy
>-- which it is perfectly reasonable to assume that Picard was --
>should remember a routine that spectacular with so many cues.  

I would think that if that were the case, the Superintendent would have
thought of that during the hearing.  I am not arguing your point, because
I do agree that it might be a SF legend, but the hearing committee should
have figured out that's what they were attempting IF it were a "legend."
--

-Lon   (lllowen@netcom.com)
From: cortese@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: What if?
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:17:40 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.052831.24308@zeus.franklin.edu> iacovone@zeus.franklin.edu (Daniel R. Iacovone) writes:
>I know it has been over 2 years since the Borg encounter, but I must
>get this off my chest.
>
>What if the Borg managed to get to Earth and the Enterprise failed?
>
>Would the result be
>
>The Assimulated States of AmeriBorg.
>
>OBorgO
>AlaBorga
>IoBorg
>KenBorgy
>Borgissippi
>CaliBorgnia
>New Borgey
>New Borg
>New Borgshire
>DelaBorg
>
>I think you get my point.
>
>flame me at
>iacovone@zeus.franklin.edu
>Columbus, Ohio.
>

No flames, but as a former PA resident, I'm shocked and enraged (right)
that you ignored such a side-splitting knee-slapper as Borgsylvania.

Regards,
Janis C.

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From: dwk1@kepler.unh.edu (David W Kimball)
Subject: Re: Parallel Universes
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:45:57 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.111142.1728@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> njm@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
>
>
>In response to your recent posting on parallel universes, I would like to add:
>
>WHO CARES!!!??
>
     They do!

>Stop bickering over an argument that cannot be solve!

     How do you know it can't be solved?

>Go on with your lives!

     What lives?  :-) :-)

>Get off the computer and go do something spontaneous!

     Like drop an atomic bomb on Mankato State U.!

(sorry, but I *hate* it when someone tries to dictate to the whole group
 what they should and shouldn't be allowed to argue about)


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