Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Fascism Reawakens in Croatia, Charges Jewish Leader
From: stojanov@husc10.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic)
Date: 20 Aug 92 09:14:25 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Aug20.024508.9443@src.umd.edu> josip@src.umd.edu (Josip Loncaric) writes:
>
>I dispute your claims regarding Klara Mandic.  "Proof by acquaintance"
>among fellow Serbian chauvinists simply does not work.

What is the basis of your dispute?  

>
>Regarding the "Belgrade gas chamber" vs. "Belgrade gas vans", my memory
>had played tricks on me.  But, I have corrected this, and in your
>refusal to accept my corrections, you've made several incorrect statements
>yourself (dare I say you are a liar?) which I'd like you to correct.
>
>(1) Regarding prisoners being taken from Banjica to be shot:
>YOU SAY:
>>In Jajinci.  Again.  And in your last posting you claimed that 20-30.000
>>people were killed in Banjica.  So check your math.
>             ^^^^^^
>INCORRECT. Here is what I said:
>
>"Banjica", Historical Archives of Belgrade, Belgrade, 1967.
>
>This book clearly shows that (1) Germans were not working alone, (2) that
>Banjica was primarily staffed by Serbs, (3) that the concentration camp was
>funded by Belgrade municipal budget, (4) that the camp chief was Svetozar
>Vujkovic, a Serb.  Banjica camp processed over 23,000 people many of whom
>were Jews and children.  Many people were shot not by Germans but by
>Serbian guards.  The prisoner lists were kept in Serbian, in cyrillic script.


So what is the meaning of " processed?" 
Euphemism of killing ? 

>
>
>(2) Regarding Serbs doing something wrong in WWII:
>YOU SAY:
>>Mr. Simic and I are aware, but we are not going to allow you to be 
>>able to claim and remain unchallenged that Serbs were same as Croats
>>in WWII.  We did what we had to do, Croats did what they wanted to do.
>
>INCORRECT.  I've never claimed this, in fact, I said precisely the opposite:
>
>Mr. Simic wrote:
>>>	This is not to say that quisling puppet government under Milan Nedic
>>> did nothing wrong. His gendarmerie had to be involved to some degree in
>>> assisting the Germans in rounding up the Jews. This is clear. Yet, if we
>>> are discussing in good-faight here, we should not mix the leading order
>>> history with the small, Nth order effects.
>>               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>	This is the last I have to say on this question.
>>
>And I responded:
>>Small?  N-th order?  Difference is clearly there, but to say that what
>>happened in Serbia is "small" or in any sense negligible is completely wrong.
>>
>>My point in raising this issue is not to compare Serbian and Croatian
>>role in the Holocaust, but to establish the fact that most Serbs have
>>never faced this part of their history.  Failure to do so is clearly
>>demonstrated by your statements.

Mr. Loncaric.  I will find you if you insist, I have them somewhere,
your statements about gas chamber: " both were operated by local 
authorities. 
So what was this if not an attempt to compare us? 

>
>Please be accurate the next time.
>
>Josip


Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe