From: anthropo@carina.unm.edu (Dominick V. Zurlo)
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 01:57:51 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: usa

In article <hill.715462676@galena12> hill@rtsg.mot.com (Karen Hill) writes:
>yorton@turtle11.rtsg.mot.com (James J. Yorton) writes:
>
>>Not really.  If the scout leader is *forced out* because of, say his
>>minority status, that's a form of discrimination.  Parents have every
>>right to have their child associate with whom (or without whom) they wish.
>>If they don't like their child to have a gay scout leader and they
>>decide to pull that child out of that troop, how is that discimination?
>>They're pulling the child out *voluntarily*.  I'll use an example I used
>>before: Thirty some years ago, some parents wouldn't have wanted their
>>child to be near a scout leader who was African American.  Who should leave?
>
>So the scout leader's rights are more important than the scouts rights because
>he is a leader or because he is an adult or because he is gay and supposedly a
>minority now?
 No, that's what the BSA policy is as it now stands.  Th is was in answer 
to your remarks (I think it was yours??)
>
>>C'mon, it's the same as the military ban.  It is said that some people
>>would have trouble working/living in close quarters with gay soldiers.
>>(Years ago the same argument was used with blacks too.)
>>Should we boot out that soldier, despite their outstanding service
>>record and contribution to this country, or should the person who
>>is homophobic or racist leave or be reassigned?
>
>Does being homosexual exclude one from obeying the rules and adhering to
>the standards of the organization to which they have chosen to belong?
 No, but then no lesbigay I know of is asking for special privleges, 
just thje same ones, and the same rights.
>
>>This whole thing could be solved if the individual who is prejudiced
>>would find out why they harbor those feelings with regards to
>>something that is really nobody's business.  Then nobody would have
>>to leave.
>
>If it's nobody's business, then why is there such a huge gay/lesbian movement
>and why is there a gay rights agenda and why are their "rights" to behave as
>they please being forced on society. If it's nobody's business, then 
>it should not even be an issue. 
 Because of things like this.  Because of people in Georgia whao are 
gay and practice sodomy being locked up for two years, and yet
a straight couple practicing sodomy is released by the same judge
for bein straight.  When the laws of this country represent 
equality and when there is real equality, then there will no longer
be a gay rights movement.  That's like asking why there's a womens'
movement.  It shouldn';t be an issue.  But because lesbigays do not
have the same rights, and routinely get fired and hounded and gay-bashed
all for being gay, and no other reason, then it will be an issue 
for lesbigay's.
>
>>Whether it's racism, sexism, anti-Semitism, or homophobia,
>>bigotry is bigotry no matter how you slice it.  It is a
>>learned behavior and it can be unlearned.
>
>Certainly true. Any behavior can be learned or unlearned. Homosexuality is
>a behavior and can be unlearned as well as learned. 
 
Back to the is homosexuality a behavior question.  Still no answer.  Prove 
it is a behavior, and your statement is true, Prove it is not and your
statement is false.  We can not prove it one way or another right now.  
I do not believe I ever chose my sexual orientation.  It was ther, 
just as I am a man, I am homosexual.  My lifestyle, and learned behavior
is one of the many in the gay communities.(there are more than one)
>
>Let us not forget that what the gay/lesbian movement is asking is for
>rights based on their behavior and not their humanity.
 No, we are asking for rights based on the simple fact that we are human.
we are people.  No matter our behavior.  The US constitution does not 
seperate lesbigays from equal rights.  In fact it states "All men are
created equal..." not all men but homosexuals.  And BTW What is your
definition of humanity?  Esp. if lesbigays are not a part of it?
>
>-Karen Hill

CHristianity is a learned behavior, you must "see the light."  If it can 
be learned, it can be unlearned.  

Dominick V. ZUrlo
Eagle Scout
former Confraternity of Christian Doctrine Teacher (4 years)
(That's CCD- SUnday School for Catholics0