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Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: PNOC Reviving Plans for Petrochemical Plant
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:46:43 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino

MANILA, Philippines (UPI) -- Philippine National Oil Co. is holding
preliminary talks with companies from Taiwan, the United States, Japan
and France in a bid to revive five-year-old plans to build a major
petrochemical plant near Manila, the state-owned company said Wednesday.
	PNOC said in a statement it would update by early next year two
feasibility studies on the proposed complex.
	``We are still in the process of promoting the plan to investors,''
Norberto Balce, a member of PNOC's petrochemical task force, told UPI. 
``We want to have as many companies involved as possible.''
	PNOC plans to invest solely in the naphtha cracker, which would
produce propylene and ethylene and their resin derivatives,
polypropylene and polyethylene, the basic raw materials for plastics.
	It would leave the downstream plants to private investors, preferably
with each one owned by a different foreign company, Balce said.
	He declined to give an overall cost estimate for the project or say
when PNOC hoped to break ground on the complex, which would be located
30 miles (50 km) west of Manila in Limay, Bataan province, where PNOC
has its refining operations.
	``What is important now is to sit down and talk with investors so we
can see what plans they will have,'' he said. ``After that, we can know
what size cracker to build.''
	PNOC said it was discussing deals with four Taiwanese firms,
including USI-Far East, the lead backer in a $500 million petrochemical
venture that died in 1990 after nearly three years of political
wrangling in Manila.
	USI-Far East had committed to a 70 percent stake in the ill-fated
Luzon Petrochemical Corp., which was supposed to save the Philippines
more than $1.4 billion in chemical imports over 10 years and create
thousands of jobs.
	It's pullout from the project in October 1990 triggered a massive
setback in Taiwanese investment in the Philippines, from 3.5 billion
pesos ($136 million) in 1990 to 3.3 million pesos ($132,000) in 1991.
	``One of the major issues the last time around was the monopoly
issue,'' Balce said. ``People were complaining that one company would
control the industry. That's one reason we want as many investors as
possible now.''
	PNOC chairman Raul Manglapus left Wednesday afternoon for Europe to
talk with prospective French investors. He also plans trips to Japan and
Houston, Texas within weeks. Balce declined to name specific companies
Manglapus is scheduled to visit during his trips.
	Besides USI-Far East, PNOC said it was talking with three other
Taiwanese firms, including Chinese Petroleum Corp., Lee Chong Yung
Chemical Industry Corp. and the Jeffrey Koo Group of Companies.
From: lagman@CS.ColoState.EDU (annette)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: PI=Philippines???
Date: 10 Oct 92 21:59:13 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Oct10.003551.13332@crash> noelg@crash.cts.com (Noel Gamboa) writes:
>I for one couldn't figure out what "PeeEye" meant when I first heard
>it.  I hear it a lot from first generation Filipino youths here in
>San Diego.  I'm afraid the reason for using this term might be that
>they're embarassed to say exactly which country they're from, so they
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>just say "PI" and those who know what it means will know.  It's sad.
>I for one am never ashamed to say "Philippines."

	I don't think that's necessarily true.  More probably, this is
	just a term they picked up from their parents and older Filipinos.
	San Diego has a high concentration of Filipinos with military
	connections, and as Ching pointed out, PI is used mostly by
	military types.

	I have also rarely heard the term PI used back home, except
	around the bases.  I dislike it because I consider it a
	denial of our status as an independent nation.  I don't 
	think it should be used, except (as someone pointed out)
	in a geographical context.

	annette
	ps: thanks to all those who responded to my request for info
	
From: gloriad@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Gloria DeVera)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:46:06 GMT
Subject: Touring Jolo, Phil.
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino

Does anyone out there happen to know how I can reach Jolo via Zamboanga,
and if it is safe to travel there???????????????
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: jdgarcia@eos.ncsu.edu 
Subject: Re: The P.I. / RP
Originator: jdgarcia@c00000-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jdgarcia@eos.ncsu.edu 
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:40:57 GMT



  How about P.N. -- Pilipino Nation? 
  It's not a geographic reference or as "politically" sounding.



(note:  I'm not trying to ridicule the argument, just killing time.)

                                                  Caloy
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: wild stories about squareheads
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:26:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: sscvx1.8OCT199216263467
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

Gee, has anyone got any wild stories about squareheads in Asia and their
brain-damaged myopic view of Asian cultures?  While in Pattaya in Thailand
I saw large numbers of them being ripped off by the local bargirls, who
say the unkindest things about them behind their backs.

Does anyone understand why the US government continue to encourage their troops
to fuck their way around recreation sites such as pattaya, when it is firmly
established that a high proportion of the bargirls there are HIV positive?
Is it just because they figure that by the time the symptoms start, the persons
concerned are likely to be too old to be of much use to the military?

laurence
From: rbt112@phys.anu.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: The P.I. / RP
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:24:08 GMT
Organization: Research School of Physical Sciences, ANU
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.15.74

Mitchell writes;
> No offense to any Filipinos but that's what everybody called their
> country when I was there.  Maybe the more professional people
> from Manila as opposed to the poorer people in the countryside
> call it The P.I. rather than The RP. 
	Your previous article and including this addendum just shows how
narrow you understanding of us, Filipinos. But one sure thing though, you
woke up some of the sleepy newsgroup readers, including me.
							royt.
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Clark AB: here we go again
Date: 8 Oct 92 01:09:00 GMT
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <Oct07.211548.68996@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitch writes...
>Jim Kirk writes:
> 
>>Still sounds to me like you're trying to ease your conscience.  And I'm not so
>>concerned in this case with law as with morality.
> 
>>I'm always amazed by what I hear from U.S. servicemen.  It's as though you know
>>an entirely different country and people than the Philippines and Filipinos I
>>know.
> 
> 
>Look, I never tried to say the Philippines was one huge Angeles City 
>where the girls were easy or where there is no Filipino culture.
>I never said that and if I implied it, well, sorry but I too  believe the
>RP is a lot more than Angeles or Olongapo.  ( I traveled elsewhere in 
>the country, believe it or not.)
> 
>My only disagreement is that the Philippines is as much to blame
>as the G.I.'s are  when it comes to closing down these nightclubs.
>And Mr. Kirk, Captain, I'm not trying to ease my conscience.
> 
>The only Philippines I know, unforntunately, is the one around the
>U.S. bases yet  I would love to know the real country someday. 
>This ugly fact does mean that I do indeed know an entirely different
>Philippines than some who were born here, raised here, or only heard
>about what went on at  Clark.  Unfortunately, is it the dark side.

Easy to fix.  Airfare to manila is only around $1000 return from US, cheaper
if you look around, and you'll find the real country as soon as you get
of the plane.  Steer clear of Ermita while you're there.

Laurence
From: news@netnews.upenn.edu (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: US Investors Confident on Phil
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:54:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: microlab.-131092165443
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	MANILA, Philippines (UPI) -- Senior U.S. executives said Friday they
were optimistic about economic reforms under President Fidel Ramos that
have openedup foreign investment but improved infrastructure and
loosening of banking regulations are still needed.
	Maurice Greenberg, head of an investment mission composed of
executives from 27 U.S. firms, said the group would not be deterred by a
spate of kidnappings, preying mostly on wealthy members of the local
Chinese community.
	The delegation, which included aerospace, telecommunications, energy,
electronics and financial services companies, met with Ramos, his senior
economic advisers and private sector officials during a four-day visit.
	``Many members of this mission are very pleased with the talks they
had with individual sectors,'' Greenberg, chairman of the insurance-
based American International Group, told a news conference.
	``It's not going to stop there. There will be investment missions
following this one and there will be investment missions from the
Philippines to the U.S. where we can help set up one-on-one meetings
with U.S. companies.''
	Greenberg welcomed the government's deregulation of foreign exchange
restrictions and the opening up of the economy to foreign investors.
	He said Manila still needed to improve its poor infrastructure,
especially the power and energy sectors, and to modify a law allowing
the entry of foreign banks into the country.
	Reacting to the comments, Ramos said he would push for a law allowing
foreign banks majority or 100 percent ownership. The present rule allows
only a 40 percent share by foreigners.
	The president said he would seek congressional approval of a law
granting foreigners a 99-year lease on property occupied by their
businesses.
	Tariff rates would be reduced from the current 28 percent to 20
percent by July 1, 1995, and power needs are being addressed with the
construction of more geothermal plants, Ramos added.
	``We are creating now the proper business environment so that it
would be profitable and cost-effective for new companies to operate in
the Philippines,'' the president said.
	Greenberg said U.S. firms were interested in investing in the former
U.S. naval base at Subic Bay, but were waiting for a masterplan, which
is being drawn with the help of the World Bank.
	The Philippine media has exaggerated its reports on the kidnappings,
which have scared off potential investors from the region, Greenberg
said.
	``There is a law and order problem but the president addressed that
issue,'' he said. ``I think those foreign investors experienced in the
field understand some of the issues. That (kidnapping) will not be a
deterrent to foreign investment.''
From: albert@xi.mathlab.sunysb.edu (Jose Ramon Albert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Clark AB and Captain Jim Kirk
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:53:54 GMT
Organization: SUNY at Stony Brook, Dept. of Math

Once again, Mitchell Kotler writes 

> American(s) didn't create the bar scene around the American bases. ... 
> if the P.I. didn't want these night clubs and
> these bargirls infesting their country , they would've outlawed (them). ... 
> they need our money and the girls need a way out of the Philippines
> Blame the Philippine government for allowing this to go on!

While of course, this post was meant in response to 
the post of the Captain of the USS Enterprise (i.e. Jim Kirk), let
me just make three comments.  

(1) Just like in his previous post, Mitchell has tried to rationalize 
    the existence of the "bar scenes around the American bases".   This
    sounds to me like a cocaine addict saying
    "hey, i don't plant coke, i didn't invent coke, i just use them!" 
    
(2) Granted that the RP government shares the responsibility of this
    social malady, it is very superficial to think that the RP government 
    could have cracked down if it wanted to.   There is an economic interest
    involved.  But, there is politics too.   You have to understand that
    by and large, the Filipinos (being Asians) have a love for harmony in
    contrast to the Westerners' priority and love for privacy.  
    Since the US was (or should I say is?) the RP's colonial master, the
    RP finds it very difficult to say no, even if principles are
    involved.  Why do you think the debate over the US bases became
    so heated? Further, most Filipinos are still very much pro-American.
    They have not forgotten that we stood by each other at Bataan and
    Corregidor.  Many Filipinos dream of the day that they become US
    citizens.  We inherently lack a national pride and a national identity.  
    There are usually two courses of action that a weak man takes -- 
    (a) he recognizes his weakness and builds on it; (b) he resigns.
    Unfortunately, we have taken the second path and I dream of the
    day that we decide to choose a different route. 

(3) When confronted with a social problem, I believe that people should
    stop entering a blame game (for we all share the blame one way
    or the other).  It is very unproductive.   Let us just recognize
    that there is a problem and start investing time to solve it.

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From: figueroa@jimminy.serum.kodak.com (Janet Figueroa (x37973))
Subject: Filipino Restaurants in San Diego
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Summary: Information for restaurants in the San Diego area
Keywords: restaurants turo-turo Ilocano Bicol Express
Reply-To: figueroa@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:27:52 GMT


Greetings and Salutations!!!

I hope you do not mind, but I am going to ask a question very much off the
present discussions.  One of my coworkers, who is also a kababayan, is going
to San Diego for a week's training.  She would like to go to one of the
Filipino restaurants in the area.  Does anyone have good suggestions about
places to visit?  She does not mind to drive out somewhere.  She would
also like to know if there is a Goldilocks, or a place like, it to buy
pasalubongs.  Her other Filipino friends here would never forgive her if
she did not bring stuff back.

Please include the Fullerton area, for I will be visiting there for 
Thanksgiving.  I could kill two birds with one posting here.

Maraming salamat po,

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: mfrancis@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Ma. Elena Y. Francisco)
Subject: Re: PI=Philippines???
Reply-To: mfrancis@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:20:35 GMT

noelg@crash.cts.com (Noel Gamboa) writes:

>I for one couldn't figure out what "PeeEye" meant when I first heard
>it.  I hear it a lot from first generation Filipino youths here in
>San Diego.  I'm afraid the reason for using this term might be that
>they're embarassed to say exactly which country they're from, so they
>just say "PI" and those who know what it means will know.  It's sad.
>I for one am never ashamed to say "Philippines."

Where, pray tell, do you get your impression.  As a "first generation
Filipino youth" from San Diego, I do not find your reason to be
correct.  People ask me where I come from all the time and are
extremely surprised when I say "San Diego".  They are even more
surprised if I say, "Philippines" mainly because of my accent (which
is neither Filipino nor is it "Californian").

I am *never* ashamed to say that my roots are in the Phils.  I will,
given the opportunity, point this out to people.  (It does sadden me,
however, when I see or hear of people who want to deny their culture,
as one of my aunts has already done ...)

Anyway, I knew it as "PI" for a long time but that is only because 
that is how my parents and other relations referred to it.  But we
don't really use "PI" in speaking to each other ... we just refer to
it as either "home" or "'Pinas"

regards,

--
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: joel@dseg.ti.com (Joel Quejada)
Subject: DFW Get Together
Reply-To: joel@dseg.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Distribution: tx
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:05:20 GMT

This post is to (hopefully) start the ball rolling in regard to planning
the DFW Get-Together. In particular, I need to get suggestions/comments 
from all those interested about "how" to do it, i.e., should we meet at
a restaurant, get a Hotel meeting room, etc.

I have met with Dave Candelario (another DFW SCF-er) and we loosely
discussed the idea of getting a Conference Room at one of the local Hotels,
and having the food catered by Manila Mart, a Filipino restaurant in the
area. I have no idea how much such an arrangement would cost. Does this 
sound good to everyone? I would really like to hear your suggestions.

I decided to do this discussion via USENET so everyone interested can easily
read what everyone else has suggested, etc. But if you post something in
regard to this topic, PLEASE MAKE SURE you distribute it ONLY to the Texas (tx)
area.

The following people are on my list as being "interested" in attending:

	Joel Quejada            joel@emu.dseg.ti.com
	Dave Candelario         [no e-mail; send mail via Joel Quejada]
	Lorenzo Torres          torres@utdallas.edu
	Sam De Key              sdekey@natinst.com
	Apollo Silva            xxapollo@utagraph.uta.edu
	Rosana Van Der Grinten  dbgrvv@edpu07.edp.Arco.com
	Cynthia Tee             cctee@asc.slb.com

(I hope no one minded my listing their e-mail address!)

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|          UNIX Systems Analyst          |    6600 Chase Oaks Blvd.           |
|          joel@dseg.ti.com              |    P.O. Box 869305, MS 8498        |
|          (214) 575-6014                |    Plano, Texas 75086              |
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: houch@cavern.mitre.org (Jim Houchens)
Subject: Re: PI=Philippines???
Reply-To: houch@cavern.mitre.org
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:04:34 GMT

godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:

>In England, PI is the usual abbreviation for our best satirical magazine,
>Private Eye.  Certainly no-one would understand it to mean the Philippines,
>unless they had mixed with American service personnel.

Same goes for most Americans, unless they are older.

>Of course PI is a demeaning name, sounding very much like the Philippines
>are an American state (cf. RI [ Rhode Island]), or an annex of the US.
>There is little doubt that many Americans think of it in that way.
Most Americans are generally clueless about the Philippines, and are not
even aware of the influence the U.S. once had.  If I have a complaint
about Americans' attitudes about the Philippines, it's that they don't
feel more of a sense of connection to the country.  Very few feel any
responsibility, and even fewer would want to claim any connection to
it.    

>Frankly, as most Filipinos take no pride in the part Spain has played
>in their history (and quite rightly so, as Spain was the beginning of
>the long downhill slide of the RP), I'm not sure I understand why they
>have kept the name Philippines at all.  Why not "Pinland" or "Pinesia"
>or something like that

Frankly, as most Americans take no pride in the part England has played
in our history, I'm not sure why we have kept English names for many of
our political entities.  I think I'll bring it up at the next meeting of
the Cambridge city council.

-- Jim
From: houch@cavern.mitre.org (Jim Houchens)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: wild stories about squareheads
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:16:12 GMT
Reply-To: houch@cavern.mitre.org
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:

>Gee, has anyone got any wild stories about squareheads in Asia and their
>brain-damaged myopic view of Asian cultures?  While in Pattaya in Thailand
                                                        ^^^^^^^
Gee Larry, you make it to all the hot spots, huh?

>I saw large numbers of them being ripped off by the local bargirls, who
>say the unkindest things about them behind their backs.

But they just loooove the brits, right?  Can't say enough good about them!
(By the way, Larry, didn't you say the Phils was the only place where you
saw people ripping others off?)

>Does anyone understand why the US government continue to encourage
>their troops to fuck their way around recreation sites such as
>pattaya, when it is firmly established that a high proportion of the
>bargirls there are HIV positive?  

Obviously they don't encourage it.  But they do take the attitude that it
is better to teach so called "safe sex" and encourage licensing/check-ups
rather than drive prostitution under-ground.  I don't necessarily agree
with it, just like I don't necessarily agree with teaching "safe sex" in
public schools, but the idea has its advocates.
 
>Is it just because they figure that by the time the symptoms start,
>the persons concerned are likely to be too old to be of much use to
>the military?

The military is has taken a very responsible position on AIDS, with
periodic testing of all personnel, advanced medical care of infected
personnel, ban on overseas deployment on HIV+ personnel, and training.

How about those sex junkets you Europeans are so fond of?  Any HIV testing
required before boarding?

( I am being facetious.  I don't condone the exploitation of people by
anyone, military or civilian.  But generalizations about any group, be
it a particular sex, race, nationality or occupation is wrong.  I was
in the military, and take offence to your remarks, just like you might to
mine.  I have plenty of stories about the brits, but don't draw conclusions
about all brits based on them.)