HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Re: Why not ferry trains?
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:03:10 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes) writes:
>Tim W Smith <ts@cup.portal.com> writes:
>>	Has anyone considered ferry trains?
>This is real big in the Seattle area to go from Seattle west to the
>Olympic peninsula

>I like 'em.

They're great things. They have one major problem. Capacity. A moderate
sized ferry like the Coho or the Walla Walla  holds 200 cars or so, and
perhaps 1,500 or so walk-ons. They take 15-30 minutes to cycle loading and
unloading.  They're also relatively expensive to operate and maintain.

They work wonderfully in Washington because they're low-capacity
transportation to areas that aren't heavily built up, or the only
alternative to areas where it's technically impossible to build roadways. 

(This is why the Olympic Peninsula is still as pretty as it is -- the ferry
capacity is a self-limited valve that inhibits development. If they doubled
capacity, in 10 years it'd look the same as Redmond or Everett, which'd be
too bad).

Imagine replacing the Bay Bridge with a fleet of car ferries, each capable
of 1,000 cars with an (unrealistic) cycle time of 15 minutes. Now imagine
the morning commute.

A ferry train, say from San Jose to Sacramento, would probably operate a lot
like the Sydney-Anacortes ferry. Show up 90 minutes or so ahead of a sailing
for loading, and spend 30 minutes or so unloading at destination, plus
travel time. In other words, you could drive to Sacto faster (which is not
true of Anacortes...)

These things tend to sound great, but if it was a good idea in practice, it
probably would have been done by now. Ferries work in the Washington area,
but it's an area that has a lot of unique factors -- the georgraphy makes
alternatives difficult (or impossible), the population densities have
arranged themselves around the ferries in a pretty efficient manner (not
suprising. If the Bay Bridge went away permanently, you'd see a noticable
population shift from the east bay), and the populace up there has learned
to deal with ferry schedules, ferry lines, ferry deadlocks, ferry downtimes
and all of the other inconveniences. Ferries have their own set of problems
that you don't see until you use them for a while. Try, for instance, to try
to get from Everett to Port Townsend after a 10PM end of a baseball game on
a thursday night.

Ferries don't fix things. Tehy're not panaceas. Like most complex,
real-world problems, what you end up doing is swapping out an old set of
problems with a new, improved set of problems. The only question is whether
those new problems are 'better' or more tolerable. Here in the Bay Area, I
don't think ferries are practical. Romantic, yes. Practical, no.

chuq (I love ferries)


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Newsgroups: ca.general,alt.california
From: nagel@Cigna.COM (Mark Nagel)
Subject: Re: Looking for 'theme' towns in California
Organization: CIGNA FIRST, Irvine, CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:12:07 GMT

In <1992Sep30.223507.12666@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:

>And what's it name where Hitchcock filmed The Birds.

I believe that was Bodega Bay.
-- 
Mark Nagel <nagel@cigna.com>	| DISCLAIMER: Any resemblence of these
Network Administrator		| opinions to those of CIGNA are purely
CIGNA/FIRST			| coincidental.
          (Don't start vast projects with half-vast ideas)
Newsgroups: ca.general
From: melissa@spanky.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Melissa Probst)
Subject: San Luis Obispo
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:19:36 GMT

My husband and I are heading up to San Luis Obispo for a long
weekend in a few weeks. Anyone have any suggestions for 
sights to see and places to dine?

Thanks,

Melissa


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Melissa Probst
System Administrator
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
4800 Oak Grove 301-250D
Pasadena, CA 91109

email: melissa@spanky.jpl.nasa.gov
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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: ca.general,ba.general,alt.california
Subject: Re: Looking for 'theme' towns in California
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:35:54 GMT
Followup-To: ca.general
Distribution: ca
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Sep30.011710.26001@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>Bodie?  

When's the last time you've been to Bodie?  Sure it's a ghost town but it's
become such a tourist attraction that it almost reminded me of "Pirates at
the Carribean" at Disneyland.  They *claim* that the town was left such that
it still looked occupied but it just looks too set up.

Still it was quite interesting.  What made it more interesting was when a
couple of fighter jets buzzed the town.  It's was probaby Yeager.
-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira     | Auspex Systems | "Auspex does not share my opinions.  |
| johnf@auspex.com | Santa Clara CA |  So Why am I still working here?"    |
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Newsgroups: ca.general
From: rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao)
Subject: our school problems
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: ca
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 06:54:48 GMT


It is my impression that California schools' financial problems are
worse than other states' schools.
If that is true, why?
-- 
Robert Chao
Oakland, California
Newsgroups: ca.general,ba.general
From: dhosek@hmcvax.claremont.edu
Subject: Re: our school problems
Organization: Harvey Mudd College
Distribution: ca
Date: 4 Oct 92 09:46:36 PDT

In article <2ACF197C.2176@ics.uci.edu>, bstarr@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian Joseph Starr) writes:
> In <BvL4JC.Gq5@well.sf.ca.us> rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao) writes:
> I think part of the problem is that we had so much farther to fall than
> most other school systems.  I mean, the UC system was probably the best
> state university in the nation.  It was very well funded, and, I suppose,
> that made it an obvious target when it came time to slash the budget. As
> you know, California is also suffering more than usual in this current
> "downturn", and, on the average, our situation is worse than the nation.
 
>>It is my impression that California schools' financial problems are
>>worse than other states' schools.
>>If that is true, why?

Another part of it is that local schools are funded largely
through property taxes. However, prop 103 (or whatever the number
was) which froze property tax levels has resulted in rather
dramatically choking off this source of funding. The property tax
battles for school funding are waged in other states as well, but
none have quite the uneven battleground CA has.

-dh
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: San Luis Obispo
From: marcos.della@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (Marcos Della) 
Date: 4 Oct 92 23:59:00 GMT
Reply-To: marcos.della@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (Marcos Della) 
Distribution: ca
Organization: The Batchelor Pad PCBoard ~ Long Beach, CA ~ +1 310 494 8084

MP> My husband and I are heading up to San Luis Obispo for a long
MP> weekend in a few weeks. Anyone have any suggestions for
MP> sights to see and places to dine?

Hi there... Just left SLO after 8 grueling years at Cal Poly... My list of
places to go is a little on the short side since while I was there, I was a
typical starving college student...

Anyway, Morro Bay is a wonderful place to visit (15 minutes from SLO out
Hwy 1) and has several good restaurants.  Also has a nice beach and a
lovely embarcadero where you can always find good food to eat.

As for SLO itself, well, I was a beer drinker and also enjoyed good food.
Spike's Place (on Higuera in the Creamry) was the place that I visited most
often.  As for other nice eating establishments, well, there was
McLintocks, one in SLO (a small bar/restaurant) and one in Pismo Beach (a
huge "fortune 500" type of restaurant).  The Assembly Line (also on
Higuera) is a nice place to eat and features a large salad bar and "award
winning" ribs as well.

As for other places to visit, Availa Beach is a nice place to "catch some
rays" and relax.  Sycamore Hot Springs provide a secluded hot tubs in the
evening on the side of a hill.  Natural springs and the like...

LOTS of other things... If I could have found a full time job there, I'd be
living there insted of up in Santa Rosa...

Marcos (marcos@zippy.sonoma.edu)


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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: ca.general,ba.general
Subject: Re: Looking for 'theme' towns in California
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:31:17 GMT
Followup-To: ca.general
Distribution: ca
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Sep30.004456.25150@riacs.edu> dream@windchime.arc.nasa.gov writes:
>
>	You might try Mendocino, along the Northern California
>	coast, where "Murder She Wrote" is filmed.  It has a
>	definite old New England flavor to it.
 
We'll ya learn something new everyday.  I didn't know about "Murder She
Wrote" being filmed there.  Just south of Mendocino is the Heritage House
where "Same Time Next Year" was filmed.  It is a group of cottages overlooking
the ocean.  Each one has a name.  The one used in STNY is called "Next Year".
This place is one of the most romantic places I can think of for an 
aniversary get-away.  Yet another movied filmed in the area was "The Russians
are Coming".  It's a hilarious movie with Jonathon Winters and Alan Arkin
that showcases the scenery in the area quite well.  My late grandmother,
cousin and late godmother are all in it.  Mendocino also is the town in which 
the wonderful restaurant "Cafe Beaujolais" exists.  It should not be missed 
if you are in the area.

If you are a photographer an beautiful shot can be had as the sun is setting
over the ocean.  From the south, across the bay and the Mendocino Headlands
you can take a picture of the Mendocino peninsula and the town.  For a
few minutes the sun reflects off the windows in the shops lining the street.
It's pretty incredible.

-- 
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| John Fereira     | Auspex Systems | "Auspex does not share my opinions.  |
| johnf@auspex.com | Santa Clara CA |  So Why am I still working here?"    |
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Newsgroups: ca.general
From: alan@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Alan S. Mazer)
Subject: Re: our school problems
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:20:54 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.000741.10990@odin.corp.sgi.com> pal@wpd.sgi.com writes:
[out of order]
>Pity the facts don't fit the theory, eh?  Oh well, I don't suppose
>that'll trouble Kim too much, given that she obviously formed her
>opinions before asking for the facts.

Hey, cheap shot!  Kim may be misinformed, but don't blame her.  This same
information comes from a lot of different sources.  If it wasn't the
prevalent viewpoint from our politicians and a lot of other people, it
wouldn't be highlighted in a national magazine.  And if everyone thoroughly
researched the facts before posting anything this net wouldn't have any
postings at all.

That said, my own experiences with illegal immigrants have been largely
favorable.  One that comes to mind is a conversation I had (in my less than
perfect Spanish) with a man who came to this country from deep in Mexico.
He had scrubbed floors at night for years while he worked his way through
school in Mexico so that he could become a teacher.  When he finally got
his degree he couldn't get a job because he didn't "know anyone" and he
didn't have enough money to "buy" one.  He was here trying to earn enough
money so that he could go back to Mexico and get a teaching job.  Do you
think this guy is just going to kick back and soak in government welfare?
I doubt it.  When I talked to him he was willing to do any kind of labor
here to get the money to live his dream down there.  And he's educated!
How many of us after getting our degree would be willing to pick berries
14 hours a day so that we could use it in the future?  Personally, I think
we need more people like this guy.
-- 
 
-- Alan                        # Mountain Dew and doughnuts...
   ..!ames!elroy!alan          # because breakfast is the most important meal
   alan@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov     # of the day.
Newsgroups: ca.general
From: phw@genghis.borland.com (Peter Weyzen)
Subject: Theme Towns in CA
Summary: Santa Cruz 
Originator: phw@genghis.borland.com
Organization: Borland International
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:14:29 GMT

couldn't followup to the original, so here goes.


Try Santa Cruz - it's got a beach boardwalk, used to be murder capital, 
got a really cool downtown (well, soon it will).  Films made here:
"Lost Boys" and "Killer Klowns".

-peter

-- 
Peter Weyzen      /  "Some day my log will have
phw@borland.com  /    something to say" -Log Lady
Newsgroups: ca.general,ba.general,alt.california
From: holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Holly Wise)
Subject: Re: Looking for 'theme' towns in California
Organization: Lockheed Santa Cruz, CA.
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 15:58:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.011710.26001@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:

>Bodie?  Or is that too real?  Maybe Calico. ;^)

>--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
>  Acting Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
>  Scientific Programming
>  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
>Seeking Books to buy:  Bongard, Pattern Recognition
>                       Imhof, Cartographic Relief Presentation
>                       Books on or by Benjamin Whorf

What about Downeyville?  It's my favorite town.
-----
holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com
Newsgroups: ca.test
From: jarnold@spot.wrc.xerox.com (jeff arnold esc1-318)
Subject: Re: test
Organization: Xerox
Distribution: ca
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:33:15 GMT

just a quick test.
  ___ __  _   _ _  _
   / /_  /_) /_) \/
(_/ /__ / \ / \  /

Tue Sep 29 18:32:08 EDT 1992
From: aviani@merlyn.cmc (James Aviani)
Newsgroups: ca.test
Subject: test
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:12:58 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Rockwell/CMC

This is a test
From: pete@ent-img.com (0000-Pete Carah(0000))
Newsgroups: ca.test
Subject: Test
Date: 26 Sep 92 17:17:44 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: CST Entertainment Imaging

This is a test to see if  our nntp config is right yet.
-- Pete
From: pete@ent-img.com (Pete Carah)
Newsgroups: ca.test
Subject: Testing again
Date: 26 Sep 92 18:16:35 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: CST Entertainment Imaging

Well, is the full name right this time?
also, what is the path like...

-- Pete
Newsgroups: ca.test
From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Subject: Re: testing. oh boy
Organization: Titan Linkabit
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:19:30 GMT

Testing testing testing!
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Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
Titan Linkabit					cts!dale!npm
3033 Science Park Road
San Diego, CA 92121
Newsgroups: ca.test
From: root@dale.cts.com (USENET News Account)
Subject: Re: testing. oh boy
Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:27:47 GMT

I'm beginning to rejoice slightly now.
Newsgroups: ca.test
From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Subject: Re: testing. oh boy
Organization: Titan Linkabit
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:35:43 GMT

Hello Dally, well hello dally!
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Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
Titan Linkabit					cts!dale!npm
3033 Science Park Road
San Diego, CA 92121
Newsgroups: ca.test
From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Subject: Re: testing. oh boy
Organization: Titan Linkabit
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:17:55 GMT

well, yes.  And if this test works there will be MUCH rejoicing.
--
Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
Titan Linkabit					cts!dale!npm
3033 Science Park Road
San Diego, CA 92121
From: sisson@Teradyne.COM (glenn sisson)
Newsgroups: ca.test
Subject: test posting
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:12:10 GMT

test posting.. 6250
Newsgroups: ca.test
Subject: Another test...
From: marcos.della@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (Marcos Della) 
Date: 4 Oct 92 23:59:00 GMT
Reply-To: marcos.della@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (Marcos Della) 
Distribution: ca
Organization: The Batchelor Pad PCBoard ~ Long Beach, CA ~ +1 310 494 8084

Could someone quote this message (completely with header and the like) and
repost it here?  I am trying to regulate the output format of an offline
reader so that it isn't abusive to the rest of the world...

Marcos (marcos@zippy.sonoma.edu)

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From: huang@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Bo Huang)
Newsgroups: ca.test
Subject: Re: test
Keywords: test
Date: 30 Sep 92 06:44:15 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <BusE5J.CG1@huey.jpl.nasa.gov> brad@huey.Jpl.Nasa.GOV writes:
>test test

Test, please ignore.

Newsgroups: ca.test
From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan )
Subject: Re: testing. oh boy
Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:51:04 GMT

Rejoicing mildly...
From: schneide@scubed.com (Steve Schneider)
Newsgroups: ca.test
Subject: test post
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:53:49 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: S-CUBED, A Division of Maxwell Labs; San Diego CA

Testing, testing, 1, 2, 3.

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From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Newsgroups: ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Re: No on 9
Date: 3 Oct 92 01:18:13 GMT
Organization: Memes-R-Us
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.


phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) babbles:


>>>So you have evaded again the point -- unlike Jews,
>>>homosexuals are disliked by many for precisely WHAT they are
>>>and do.

>>This can be said for black, white, yellow, red people.
>>However, this does not validate this train of thought. You
>>cannot discriminate against some- -one who is not harming you
>>without being a bigot, no matter how many other bigots you
>>find who agree with you that they are "offensive".

>So, when a potential dating "partner" is too tall/short/skinny/fat/
>quiet/lod/etc. for your tastes, and you discriminate because of this,
>and since they have done you no harm, you're a BIGOT???

When you start systematically discriminating against them and broadcasting
your intolerance, yes, I'm afraid so.

Making a personal and private choice not to associate with a given individual
for private reasons is a far cry from publically broadcasting your hatred and
encouraging others to join your little campaign.

Using words like "Jews" and "homosexuals" is a far cry from "a potential
dating partner is too tall/short/skinny/fat/quiet/lod/etc.", no ?

Can you say "inflammatory" ? Sure you can.	(-:


>Wow, what a train of thought.

Phil, at least my train has a starting point and a destination.

Yours, I'm afraid, merely loops. Again, and again, and again.


>Gee, this is fun.

I suspect you confuse this serious discussion with playing games for points.
This isn't fun ... it's a serious matter involving life, death, freedom and
other issues which, fortunately, nobody relies on you to support. If we did,
our rights as human beings would soon be gone.

The more I read your babble, the more I wonder who's paying you to practice
your obfuscatory nonsense. You seem to do nothing but post. You don't post
from your place of work. You don't appear to have a life. One has to start
to wonder if this _is_ your work.


-- richard

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From: David.Anderman@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: ca.politics
Subject: California Aerospace Forums
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Sep 21 1992
Date: 29 Sep 92  08:36:28

California's Aerospace Industry To be the Focus of Forums
 
    The California Space Development Council, a coalition of
pro-space organizations in California, is sponsoring a series of
forums during October to discuss the future of the aerospace
industry in California, and the future direction of America's
space program. 
    On Saturday, October 3, at the Riverside Central Library, 
in downtown Riverside, a congressional candidate forum will be
hosted by the Inland Empire Space Group at 10 am. Among the
candidates invited to the forum are Congressman George Brown,
the current chairman of the House Committee on Space and
Technology, and Dick Rutan, the pilot of the Voyager
around-the-world aircraft. The candidates will address the
issues of preserving aerospace jobs in California, and the
future of the nation's space program.
    On Thursday, October 8, at 7:30 pm at the Reuben H. Fleet Space
Theater in Balboa Park, San Diego, congressional candidates will
discuss aerospace issues and the space program. The event will
be hosted by San Diego L5, a chapter of the National Space
Society.
    On Saturday, October 24, at 10am, at the Sandman Inn, in Santa
Barbara, a forum on the future of the California aerospace
industry will feature representatives of industry and political
figures.
    The general public is invited to attend all of these events and
admission is free.
    For more information on these events or the California Space
Development Council, please contact David Anderman, Events
Coordinator for CSDC, at 714/524-1674.
 

--- Maximus 2.00