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From: kurts@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Kurt Strain)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Re: Choosing Cables (Was  Re: Very expensive cables)
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:51:54 GMT
Organization: Outpost 1T

In rec.audio, rsd@sei.cmu.edu (Richard S D'Ippolito) writes:

<Boring response to an irritating post.>


>   So, here we are, Kurt.  As you promised I found some evidence that you were
>   having a bad day.  Is 17 points a good score?  You know, with my brains and
>   your ears, we could go farther than Dumbo...whaddyasay?

I counted 31 points, but you were too stupid to find them. 

Well my ears suffer from hyperacusis, and your brain suffers from
hyper-ego-sis.  I think you could go far, maybe you could get on a court trial
and nail people for selling improperly designed equipment like other real
important people here.  What a better way to serve humanity, Dick.  I think
you should converse with that guy who feels better buying equipment that sounds
bad but measures better.  I mean accuracy of measurement is all there is,
right? You guys are never fooled, you're too sharp for that.

 


>      "Please keep in mind that the ultimate goal [of hi-fi] is the
>      reproduction of art, and that the invocation of science, while a neat
>      parlour trick, is often unnecessary, flawed, and unreasonable."
>      --  name mercifully withheld...                            rsd@sei.cmu.edu

What a dork.  He's still using this as if we never read it before.  You 
sound like an overrun commercial for an investment firm.

"We listen to music the old fashioned way, with spectrum analyzers."


You are now added to my kill file, Dick. Sorry I assumed you were some
real PhD, I must have mistaken you for someone important.   Now as far
as I'm concerned, your ass is history.  So piss off, boy.
From: mhauser@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marc Hauser)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: vandersteen 1b comments requested
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:49:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.


BUY THEM.  

That is all....

Marc Hauser
mhauser@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
From: collin@angelo.amd.com (Collin K. Ong)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Sound City -- Mail Order
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:32:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.

My housemate bought the Rockford Fosgate RF2000 home power amp plus the
RF200 preamp from them for their package deal of $799.  The preamp was new but
the power amp looked like a demo, ie there were small nicks all over it.
There was a problem with the power amp in that the left side would heat up
tremendously until the thermal protection turned the whole thing off.  Thus
it was only usable for about 10 minutes at a time.  He called them and
bullied them (since it was used and broken) into accepting a return and paying
for the return shipping.  They originally wanted him to pay for return 
shipping and give him store credit only but since he had a good case, he
won out.  It took them (or UPS) a while to pick the thing up but the
situation seems to have worked out ok with the only cost being the trouble
of packing the thing up.
From: epritcha@s.psych.uiuc.edu (EVAN pritchard)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Mail order companies
Summary: Looking for a mail order company carrying Yamaha receivers
Keywords: mail order companies Yamaha recevier
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:27:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvCIyM.6D3
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology

I am looking for a mail order company that carries Yamaha receivers,
specifically the Yamaha RX-550 receiver.  I was looking at this one in
a local store, and they said the price was $400, and that that was the
list price.  I don't want to pay list price for anything, let alone
this.  So I am looking for a better deal mail order, because I don't
think anyone else in town (small) carries Yamaha.  

I would also welcome any comments on the receiver itself or whether I
am being too picky with the price.  E-mail would be better, as I
don't normally read this group.  

Thanks,

Evan Pritchard
From: schapple@mozzarella.journalism.indiana.edu
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: info wanted on Infinity, Advant?
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:25:28 GMT
Reply-To: schapple@ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Indiana University



I just wanted to get anyones opinion on a good pair of speakers under  
$250.  I  was thinking of buying either Infinity or Advant, but if you  
know of any others your opnions will be appreciated.

Shawn Chapple
schapple@journalism.indiana.edu
From: chiu@gpb-mac.sps.mot.com (Norman Chiu)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Boston Acoustics via Mail Order
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:28:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: oakhill.1992Sep29.202817.13190
Distribution: usa
Organization: Motorola Inc.

In article <1992Sep29.155422.23976@bmerh85.bnr.ca>,
shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:
> 
> 
> I had a quick look at a Stereo Review (Feb '92) that was lying 
> around - there were at least 3 places that advertised that they
> carried BA.
> 
   Those places are not authorized dealers of BA speakers.  I am
too in the markets of BA speakers but I just couldn't find any
mail order place that is an authorized dealer.
    Anyone cares to supply a NAME of an authorized mail order place
for BA?

-Norman
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: mci41087@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Occaisionally)
Subject: DAT prices
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 01:18:24 GMT

What are the best prices everyone here has seen for new DAT players?  I am 
hoping to be in the market for one soon, and was just curious about price 
trends.

Matt I.
From: kurts@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Kurt Strain)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:39:33 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Very expensive cables (oh Gawd, when will it end?)
Organization: Outpost 1T
Newsgroups: rec.audio

Sorry for this one last thing, but I doubt that either side is winning over the
other.  I haven't yet seen one anecdote go unclobbered nor one scientific
result held in full respect.  I think I am a good representative of
how people from the high end receive the absoluteness of information coming
from many audio engineers here and everywhere, and the way I come across
is not that unlike a few of my counterparts: we ain't making friends and
influencing people, to be sure.

Believe it or not, you aren't going to change the minds of the tens of 
thousands of audiophiles convinced that special cables help.  Why you want
to is beyond me.  How you are so sure we're not right is pretty, uh,
amazingly enlightened (yeah, that's it).

Close the damn door on this issue, please.  And try to excuse my outbursts.
(No, Richard D'something-or-other, you're still on my kill file).  :-)
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 1 Oct 1992 17:33:49 CDT
From: <U37426@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: need recommendation for preamp/amp
 <1992Oct1.132502.20157@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>

what about CARVER!!!!!!!
Newsgroups: rec.audio,misc.forsale,alt.forsale,ba.market.misc,su.market
From: tomcat@leland.Stanford.EDU (tom spearman)
Subject: High end Aiwa double cassette deck for sale
Keywords: cassette deck Aiwa
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 05:44:12 GMT

Aiwa AD-WX808 double cassette deck for sale:

Dolby B & C noise reduction
Dolby HX Pro headroom extension in Deck 2
Amorphous heads
Bias Fine Adjustor
Blank Skip (allows tape to skip over blank tape sections of over 11 seconds)
Feather-Touch full logic control with cue and review in both decks
Automatic Music Search
Auto Reverse (in both decks.  Takes only 0.3 seconds to reverse)
Auto Tape Selector
Four-digit electronic display for both decks
Fluorescent Peak Level Meter
dbx noise reduction
Normal and high-speed synchro dubbing
Record level control

This deck is awesome.  The only reason I want to sell is because
all my other equipment is Sony and I can use my Sony remote
control for all my components except my deck.  So I'm getting a
new Sony deck.  I paid over $400 for this deck about 3 years ago.
It was rated #1 by Consumer Reports in 1989 and has never given
me the slightest bit of trouble.  I still have the original
box and styrofoam packing.  By the way, it is in excellent
condition.  I am asking $200 + shipping.

Please e-mail at:

tomcat@stanford.edu

Thanks
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: re:Boston Acoustics via Mail Order
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 15:54:22 GMT


I had a quick look at a Stereo Review (Feb '92) that was lying 
around - there were at least 3 places that advertised that they
carried BA.
From: chinman+@CMU.EDU (Chinarut Ruangchotvit)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Rewriting a Sony MD
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:03:13 GMT
	<BvBErB.6Ar@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

> >> Yes.  The format employed is similar to a standard computer disk.  If you
> >> have two tracks and re-record track #1 with something longer in duration
> >> the "extra" portion will be located elsewhere on the disk.
> >> Since the MD unit has a 3 second buffer it can seamlessly splice the
> >> disjointed segments togather.
> 
> >If this is true...wouldn't that decrease playing time on many of the
> >portables reading fragmented disks because of the high frequency of
> >seeks?  It's as if there should be an optimization program like PCs have.
> 
> Only if the format is limited to writing sectors, which it isn't.  The digital
> data is in a continuous spiral, and I assume the MD format could access any 
> point on it as well as another to begin the new track segment.  Optimizing
> a HD improves only access time anyway.  Remember that the MD would catch up
> on the skip if you keep it steady for a while anyway, but what would happen 
> if after many rewrites there were a few skips in a row?  Maybe a reformat would
> be necessary then...
>          You confused access time with storage capacity.


I suppose I was a little vague...I meant that over time, after
deleting and rerecording tracks, the disk may become severely
fragmented which will force frequent track seeks while playing a disk.
Wouldn't this decrease the playing time of the MD player due to the
_battery_?  Current CD portables recommend you don't seek often or use
the shuffle option when power is supplied by the battery because of this.

Chin
From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Subject: Re: In search of the lost headphone cord
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:05:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.062338.26083@cunews.carleton.ca>, wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad) writes:

[lines deleted...]

|> I'd like to know if I
|> can get a really high quality headphone cord that's about 50 feet
|> long. It has to be able to resist tugging and pulling, and I'd like
|> to insist on thicker than average cable. Does anyone sell such an
|> item? I'm sick of these crappy radio-shack-ish pieces of junk
|> every store sells.

   Well, if you're not too nausiated by Radio Shack, you
could make your own cord from the cable and connectors that
are available from them. It's probably be cheaper than getting
a ready-to-use cord elsewhere.
   Now about all this tugging and pulling you're doing with 
your headphone cord... what are you doing, playing jump rope?

-- Tim
From: chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com (Chris Christensen)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Need Amplifier Kit
Date: 26 Sep 92 20:41:06 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <24SEP199214221444@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu> earprl@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu 
(Ron Earp) writes:

>	I need some information on a low frequency amplifier kit suitable
>for powering a low frequency speaker to high volume levels. Basically, this
>is for the construction of a Bass guitar amp. Any help would be greatly 
>appreciated. Thanks a lot!

I would seriously consider the purchase of a commercial power
amplifier,  if you are going to be out giging I like to have a well
thought out and tested design.  Not that that isn't possible with a
good kit.

-- 
Chris Christensen                  The opinions I express are my own,
chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com            and sometimes they are wrong!
916-478-3419 FAX 916-478-3887      After all, I *AM* only human.
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Help with tube amp requested.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:41:34 GMT

borowski@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Don T. Borowski) writes:
: In rec.audio, rej@sal.wisc.edu (Randy Jones) writes:
: 
: First, try wiggling the valves (tubes as we call them here).  Sometimes
: oxides build up between the pins of the tubes and the sockets, and a
: good wiggle will break through this junk and bring back operation.
: 
: Other than than, you will need a schematic and some service equipment.  A
: bad capacitor would be a likely suspect.

Or, an internal short in the tube.

Bill
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: kevinly@meaddata.com (Kevin Ly)
Subject: Surround sound (SSI's SYSTEM 3000)
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 19:16:58 GMT

I am in the process of looking for a surround sound processor.  I've found
one that is made by SSI, model SYSTEM 3000.  

Its features included:

  o  Dolby Pro Logic
  o  25 Watts RMS amplifier
  o  Music Surround and Mono-Enhance
  o  Variable Delay (15-20 milliseconds)
  o  Calibration Test Tone
  o  Subwoofer Output
  o  Three center channel models (OFF, NORMAL, and PHANTOM)
  
The price is around $350.

Does anyone out there know anything about this model?  In general, is SSI 
a very good brand to get Surround Sound processor?  Given these features,
is the price reasonable??  

I've seen some surround sound processors or receivers that have built-in 
surround sound with many surround sound options i.e. JAZZ, THEATER, HALL...etc
Do these options make the surround sound effects more enjoyable? 

Also, alone with this surround sound processor, I have found a pair of surround
sound speakers that are made by PSB.  I forget their model number, but they do
sound great.  Has anyone out there heard of the PSB brand name?  Are they
generally good speakers??

The problem is that I know nothing about audio or electronics stuff.   
If someone would give me some suggestions, I would be greatly appreciated!!

--
Kevin Ly                                                 kevinly@meaddata.com 
Mead Data Central                                   ...!uunet!meaddata!kevinly
Dayton, OH.  45401
From: simonh@amtfocus.amt.gss.mot.com (Simon Hu)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Advice needed on buying a $2000 system
Keywords: NAD, Nakamichi
Date: 22 Sep 92 23:11:54 GMT
Organization: Motorola, Inc.  GSS/AMT,  Arlington Heights, IL


 Dear netters:
 
     I am looking to spend around $2000 for my first stereo system. 
     After a few visits to some local hi-fi stores, I have come up 
     with following list:

     Receiver:     NAD 7100X, $525 (mail order)    
               or  NAD 1600 Tune/PreAmp+NAD 2400 Amp $775 (mail order)
               or  Nakamichi Receiver 1 $695 (on sale from a local store)

     CD Player:    NAD 5000  $375 (mail order) 
                   Rotel 965 $549 (local store) 

     Tape Deck:	   Nakamichi Tape Deck 2 $299 (on sale from a local store) 
                   NAD 6100  $359 (mail order)

     Speaker:      Snell J/III  $625 (on sale from local store)  
                     

     Right now, I am not too sure whether to buy NAD or Nakamichi receiver.
     I'd really appreciate any comments or suggestions on those components. 
     BTW, I mainly listen to classic and easy listening stuff. 

     The mail-order prices for NAD's are quoted by **Golden Ear** in 
     California. They obviously have the lowest price. Have you had 
     any good/bad experience with them?
     
     e-mail reply preferred.          

     Many thanks. 
  
     Simon Hu                         simonh@amtfocus.amt.gss.mot.com 
     Motorola Manufacturing Systems   
     Corporate Office, IL01-4th 
     1303 E. Algonquin Rd. 
     Schaumburg, IL 60196
From: mbk@hamilton (Matt Kennel)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Rewriting a Sony MD
Date: 1 Oct 1992 21:18:44 GMT
Organization: Institute For Nonlinear Science, UCSD
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chinman+@CMU.EDU (Chinarut Ruangchotvit) writes:
: I suppose I was a little vague...I meant that over time, after
: deleting and rerecording tracks, the disk may become severely
: fragmented which will force frequent track seeks while playing a disk.

Only if your experience is with the MS-DOS moron file system.  

On Unix, the Berkeley file system doesn't get all that fragmented, and
on a workstation the # of read/writes is enormously larger than on
any conceivable MD use.

: Wouldn't this decrease the playing time of the MD player due to the
: _battery_?  Current CD portables recommend you don't seek often or use
: the shuffle option when power is supplied by the battery because of this.

Yes.  But if the disk is smaller, and the head lighter the base power
consumption might be smaller.

: Chin

--
-Matt Kennel  		mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu
-Institute for Nonlinear Science, University of California, San Diego
-*** AD: Archive for nonlinear dynamics papers & programs: FTP to
-***     lyapunov.ucsd.edu, username "anonymous".
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: rmg53668@dcl-nxt53 (Ryan Martin Grant)
Subject: Re: Rewriting a Sony MD
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:59:34 GMT

Chinarut Ruangchotvit <chinman+@CMU.EDU> writes:

>> Yes.  The format employed is similar to a standard computer disk.  If you
>> have two tracks and re-record track #1 with something longer in duration
>> the "extra" portion will be located elsewhere on the disk.
>> Since the MD unit has a 3 second buffer it can seamlessly splice the
>> disjointed segments togather.

>If this is true...wouldn't that decrease playing time on many of the
>portables reading fragmented disks because of the high frequency of
>seeks?  It's as if there should be an optimization program like PCs have.

Only if the format is limited to writing sectors, which it isn't.  The digital
data is in a continuous spiral, and I assume the MD format could access any 
point on it as well as another to begin the new track segment.  Optimizing
a HD improves only access time anyway.  Remember that the MD would catch up
on the skip if you keep it steady for a while anyway, but what would happen 
if after many rewrites there were a few skips in a row?  Maybe a reformat would
be necessary then...
	 You confused access time with storage capacity.
	 - Ryan Grant
From: mbk@lyapunov.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Stereo Review (was Re: Very expensive cables)
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:37:03 GMT
Organization: Institute For Nonlinear Science, UCSD
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kester@mte.ncsu.edu (Dan Kester) writes:
: 2. In terms of choosing a cable, the most important factor is how they sound to
: you in your system.  The reasons they sound that way may or may not be of
: interest to you, but shouldn't be the determining factor in a decision.  How
: the cables measure electrically is to me not particularly interesting. Whether
: the differences I hear are due to "psychoacoustic" reasons only, is an
: interesting philosophical issue, but again not a factor in any decision.  The
: underlying physical cause of differences, whether it's crystal purity, crystal
: structure, type of impurities, grain alignment, grain boundary components,
: defect structure, or whatever, is of much interest to me.  Being a materials
: scientist I know that all these can influence the conduction of electricity
: through a material.

Shouldn't you be able to calculate to see if it will have any significant
effect other than changing good old R, L, and C?  I mean we're not doing
neutron diffraction, magneto-resistance or measuring Landau levels or stuff
like that.

My intuition is that it doesn't matter, and hence spending alot of money
for materials with specific "crystal purity, type of impurities, grain
boundary components" etc is foolish.

Sure, I'd choose the particular R, L and C that I want for psychoacoustic
reasons only, but I don't want to choose cables for psychophysicsbabble
reasons.

: Dan Kester
: kester@mte.ncsu.edu

--
-Matt Kennel  		mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu
-Institute for Nonlinear Science, University of California, San Diego
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From: tomb@hplsla.hp.com (Tom Bruhns)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: *** SPEAKER WIRES ***
Date: 25 Sep 92 16:52:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: hplsla.5070318
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA

MATGBB@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (BYRNES,Graham) writes:

>I had always assumed that the reason for twisting was to compensate
>for the directional nature of the interfering field,

That sounds about right...

> ie if one conductor
>is closer than the other to the source, the coupling will not be balanced
>and can't be removed by CMR. Twisting makes it fairly unlikely one conductor
>will be consistently in a stronger field than the other, so the coupling
>will be into the common mode.

That's OK (but not ideal) for electrical fields, but not magnetic.  
Alternating magnetic fields induce a voltage in series with a (loop of) 
wire.  By twisting a pair in a spacially-uniform field, you cancel most 
of the induced voltage by having alternate loops (projected perpendicular 
to the field) with voltages induced in opposite directions, thus 
cancelling.  I admit I've never tried measuring typical magnetic and 
electrical fields in "typical" environments to see which is likely to be 
a worse problem, but I'd bet that magnetics are worse than electrical 
unless you are running power wiring adjacent to signals.

In studio wiring, the _shielded_ twisted pair is pretty effective
taking care of both problems.  The shield is effective against
electrical and twisting against magnetic.
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