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From: davei@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Mr D Ingles)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Re: Midi song - "Borderline - Madonna"
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:26:24 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

In article <1468@bbx.basis.com> scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker) writes:

>Yes.  Try the federal copyright code itself.  It is well written and
>not too obscure.  It takes into account future technologies.  It
>considers any machine readable embodiment of a musical work
>to be copyrightable.  When I read it, I thought it was rather clear
>that a sequencer data file would be covered.

Is this copyright code available on the net anywhere as a text file ?

>
>>Someone told me that
>>copyright on a piece of music covers any 2 notes in a sequence of that
>>piece of music.  If this is the case, I would say that the majority of
>>music is breaking copyright. 
>
>Obviously this is not true for a music copyright.  Perhaps he was
>refering to sampling two notes of a recording which would make more
>sense but is still bogus as far as I know.

They were reffering to sequenced data.  They said that if any part of
the sequence could be recognised as sounding the same as a piece of
music which had been copyrighted, then it could be considered to break
copyright rules.  After hearing this I put the spanner in the works by
pointing out that you cannot actually hear a midi data file so you can't
actually compare it with the original piece of music.  They all of a
sudden had to dissappear to an important meeting and hung up. 

I can understand how a photocopy of a music score can be breaking
copyright rules as visually they appear to be the same.  Trying to
compare a computer data file with a sequence of soundwaves though leaves
me somewhat puzzled - it is a bit like comparing a photograph with the
original object. 

Davei
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay)
Subject: Re: Vintage Synth Re-Issues, what do you think?  Would you buy?
Summary: doubtful.
Organization: Atomic City
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:31:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.020719.21799@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> eirikur@ranger.enet.dec.com (Eirikur Hallgrimsson) writes:
>You know, playing around with a Fender synth. has made me think about applying
>their vintage guitar re-issue concept to synth marketing.....

Don't go away folx, tomorrow he invents the glass jackhammer. (Actually, that's
a good name for a band....Glass Jackhammer....hmmmm.....)

>Ok.  TR-808, what else?

I disagree about the TR. It'd be too expensive to rebuild, and inevitably 
people would claim that it didn't sound "right."

>Roland D-50  (mucho temptation to ask for cleaner PCM and a few other things)

Harg! Glub blug dip woot-boof wammie! (Translated: Phoo! I'm sorry they built
these the FIRST time!)

>Moog MiniMoog

No one would trust the circuit board layout unless Moog did it himself....

>Moog Taurus pedals (original, not II)

Not enough demand, I don't think. But I wouldn't mind owning one. The II and
III really sucked bad canal water by comparison.

>Moog PolyMoog

No way never. UNLESS you figured out a way to go from one board per voice
(72 of them!) to one CHIP per voice, and preserved the unique architecture
of the machine. But I would expect it not to be a big seller, alas. (Time
for me to see if I can get Kurt's Polymoog to listen to my CV sequencer....)

>Elka Synthex		HAD MIDI, even then.

I'd want to try out one of these, you betcha. They were nice machines.

>Rhodes Chroma, but not the Polaris

Bosh, my good man! Bring them BOTH back, for two different audiences.
I'd never own a Chroma-- too heavy and clunky. But a Polaris with a
lighter case and a keyboard that sensed aftertouch (and maybe eight
voices rather than six) I'd snap up in a jiffy. 

>Gleeman Pentaphonic?  (Now I'm getting silly)

No, you're not. We need more clear plastic see through synths!

>What would your list of re-issues look like?  Would you buy them?

Hmmm. I'd bring back the ARP Quadra and the Roland GR-500, and I'd
own one of each. The Yamaha CS-80 MUST be buildable in a more efficient
hardware design nowadays....

Hell, a PolySix with the Korg MIDI retro would make a good MIDI analog
synth for people who were starting out. Alternatives for people with
little to spend would be the Sequential SixTrak (a great machine for
the price even today) and the Korg MonoPoly (MIDI it and get outa the way!).

I'd LIKE to say the Mellotron, but hell, I did the math-- it'd be easier to
put enough memory in a K2000 for 35 eight-second samples in mono, and just
play one THAT way. Actually, you could even duplicate the rotary voice-blend
controls on the Mello with a K2000, too....




-- 
metlay            | 
                  | "God damn you, Metlay. God damn you to hell."
                  | 
metlay@netcom.com |                                 (d. harkless)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: koelman@cuby.stc.nl (Ton Koelman)
Subject: Re: Sam Ash Email?
Reply-To: koelman@stc.nato.int
Organization: SHAPE Technical Centre, NL
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 11:21:06 GMT

In article <92272.135438MRLCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>  writes:
>  Is there any email address for Sam Ash Music in N.Y. or anywhere else?
> Could you please mail me the number or post it. Thank you.

Is there *any* music store on e-mail?
(just curious)

--
Ton Koelman   e-mail: koelman@stc.nato.int (NeXT Mail Welcome!)
SHAPE Technical Centre, P.O. Box 174, 2501 CD  The Hague
The Netherlands  (voice: 31-70-3142429, fax: 31-70-3142111)
From: mark@yvax.byu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: MIDI stuff for sale!!!!
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:58:12 -0700
Organization: Brigham Young University

The following equipment is for sale:

	Roland A-50 MIDI controller keyboard

	Kurzweil PX-1000 professional expander

	Boss DR-550 16 bit drum machine

	Kawai Q-80 digital midi sequencer

	Akai PEQ-6 programmable equalizer

I am posting this for a friend so please do not reply to me. 

Call Dan at (801) 224-4991 if you're interested.
From: davei@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Mr D Ingles)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: MIDI Songs.....
Keywords: MIDI
Date: 3 Oct 92 11:43:54 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

In article <BvI25p.KvJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pms26964@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (CS223 GRADER) writes:
>If the MIDI file was made by someone on the net just "playing by ear" and

Or "playing by sight" even. A blind person could 'play by ear' just as well as
a non blind person can 'play by sight'. I believe that the majority of piano 
tuners are blind as they can take advantage of 'playing by ear'

>sharing the file with others, is it really copyright infringement if he just
>posts it to the net?  

I don't believe it is, that is why I am trying to find out about it.

Davei
From: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Korg MS-20 Synth & SQ-10 Seq For Sale
Date: 25 Sep 92 14:13:02 GMT
Reply-To: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)
Organization: Heurikon Corporation, Madison, WI

Mark Sullivan writes:
>Two old analog Korg workhorses for sale:
> 
>Korg MS-20 Monophonic Synthesizer (2 oscillators, patch bay)
>--$100 (plus shipping) or best offer
>Korg SQ-10 Analog Sequencer (the one with 3 rows of knobs & lots of
>patch points)
>--$100 (plus shipping) or best offer

The person who doesn't snap this up bigtime is a major chump. These
pups are a bargain at three times this price. Go to it, kids.






Greg [who *isn't* selling his two. Not now, anyway]
--
I've never had much real control over things. The music of pianos, for example,
is the dead world where I loved the machine of my small freedoms, one of the 
crowd in his best clothes despite the weather, the Eastern snow like the 
distinct sound of pianos over the airfield. The music lifts and swells.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: johnd@lloyd.Camex.COM (John Duesenberry)
Subject: Korg Wavestation AD price??
Organization: Camex Inc., Boston MA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:42:34 EDT

Opinions solicited: is $1595.00 a reasonable price for a new Korg
Wavestation AD? Does anyone know of a mailorder dealer with a better
price?
Organisation: European Space Technology Centre (E.S.T.E.C)
Date: Tuesday, 6 Oct 1992 09:48:44 CET
From: <ATONI@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Korg DSS1 keyboard/sampler/synthesizer

.. Excuse my ignorance .. but WHat is a mutha (.. or whatever) !!!

Ciao
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: glatz@emily.uvm.edu (Terry A Glatz)
Subject: To Brand. Reply to AT4033
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:26:19 GMT

I believe I payed around $600 for the AT4033. I can't find the sales slip.
I know the wife hit the roof when she saw the new toy. Geesh, women......
 
I can find out the exact price. I will call Advance Music tomorrow.
 
-Terry Glatz.
 
P.S. Once again, sorry for not replyuing by E-mail, the friggin editor wont  
     work, ACK!
 

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 09:56:00 EDT
From:         WSCOTT@ACS.WOOSTER.EDU
Subject:      Re: Midi song - "Borderline - Madonna"
Comments: To: SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU

Davei writes: " you cannot actually hear a midi data file so you can't
actually compare it with the original piece of music."

These arguments don't wash. You can't hear a CD or a vinyl LP or a videotape
unless you use a peice of equipment to translate them. They're still
subject to copywrite restrictions.

Bill Scott
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: robelr@ucs.indiana.edu (Allen Robel)
Subject: Re: EM reviews the Alesis ADAT... and loves it
Reply-To: robelr@mythos.ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:18:01 GMT

In article <2949@news.cerf.net> maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice  
Shihadi) writes:
> > 
> >> What happens to the other tracks when lets say track eight is being
> >> recorded on?  
> 
> A)  The other tracks are being re-written to which means more likelyhood
> of drop-outs.
> 

I'm not so sure that this is true.  According to the EM
review (hmm, or was it Keyboard), each of the tracks are 
COMPLETELY separate and independent and there is no
possibility of the behavior described above.

allen
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: ochikubo@mamacass.etdesg.trw.com (Craig F. Ochikubo)
Subject: Re: U-20/U-220 patch editors...hmmmmm.
Keywords: PCM, U220
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 05:34:08 GMT

In article <92Oct2.131029edt.47992@neat.cs.toronto.edu> hector@cs.toronto.edu (Hector Levesque) writes:
>In article <67046@cup.portal.com> Randomizer@cup.portal.com (Aron Fingers Nelson) writes:
>>So a PATCH editor exists because the U-220 refers to PATCHES as a collection
>>of parameters which reference TIMBRES to channels etc...
>>You are correct in saying that there is no program available to edit
>>the PCM samples or original tones.
>
>That's what I thought too until I saw something advertised in KEYBOARD
I think they have machine now that allows you to blow your own PCM sample
cards.  Just dump a sample to the machine, insert a blank card and prgram it
like a PROM chip.
From: Rob.Rosen@West.Sun.COM (Rob Rosen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Mellotron samples?
Date: 1 Oct 1992 06:26:50 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Rob.Rosen@West.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: sunwest1.west.sun.com


	I want a Mellotron, but without the weight and expense.  Options 
appear to be a sampler or a synth which has a Mellotron flute/choir/strings/
cello patch available that's *good* (i.e. has the proper amount of 'grunge'
in the waveform).

	Anyone know of any good Mellotron samples/patches?  Taking a lead from
some of my customers, I'll probably buy the synth/sampler which supports the
best Mellotron sound.

	thanks

	Rob
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: eirikur@ranger.enet.dec.com (Eirikur Hallgrimsson)
Subject: Keyboard feel (was: Re: CZ101 for sale)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:59:02 GMT


In article <BvAnuC.5ns@cdsmn.mn.org>, plate@cdsmn.mn.org (Doug Plate) writes...
>music store.  The keyboard!!  Amongst the most cheesy keyboards I have
>touched.  The original Mirage being another example of a strange feeling
>keyboard. 

Ah, yes, the original Mirage keyboard.  In dynamic Sponge-O-Vision.  I loved
it, and only regret that I didn't grab one at the time.

One weird thing that I have noticed about keyboards is that the velocity curve
on the sound that you are listening to influences how the keyboard feels. This
mapping must be pretty subjective: the only instruments that really feel right
to me playing the factory patches are the CZ-1 and the Chroma.

Another hard-to-factor-in thing is familiarity.  I know some people who have a
very hard time migrating from one computer keyboard to another, the new one is
always "much worse, really terrible" at least until the next one comes along
:-)   I experience that a bit, myself, but I'm aware of the phenomenon, so I
give each new keyboard some time.

Subjective things are so weird.  I hated the action on the Obie Xk, but got one
anyway because I needed a flexible controller but didn't want to spend much.  I
got used to it after a while, and now it doesn't seem odd even in contrast the
the piano sitting next to it, or a more standard unweighted keyboard.

The Chroma feels like it would be really clunky to play, when it is
powered-down, but switched-on, and with the gain turned-up, it really lives and
breathes.

Eirikur Hallgrimsson   |    "Rhodes?  Where we're going, we don't need Rhodes!"
eh@ranger.enet.dec.com |
PATHWORKS for Macintosh|

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: mpdavis@unccsun.uncc.edu (Michael Parker Davis)
Subject: Equipment darwinism
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:22:55 GMT


I am considering adding a synth in the next few months.  Currently I have 
a YAMAHA V50 which essentially is 2 TX81Z's, an RX-11, a simple 8trk seq.,
and an effects processor.  I have enjoyable FM.  I really like string/orch.
music, which my V50 is only fair at.  I seek great orchestral sounds, and a
great sequencer (yeah I guess I'll stick with hardware), and really great
in your face KORG type sounds.  My only choices right now seem to be an 
01/WFD workstation, or a wavestationEX (yeah no sequencer).  I realize
I would have to augment the factory waves for orchestral work on either.
I also realize I should move towards a PC based sequencer.  What would 
I do with current sequences (in hardware), and does the 01WFD's seq.
offer an IBM readable format, and standard midi files.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: Bob.Weigel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Bob Weigel)
Subject: RE: 8bit vs 16 bit
Keywords: One more comment!
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 08:18:22 GMT

	Another useful point on this subject... first of all, there are
about 65,00 possible values in a 16bit word, not 4,000 which would
correspond to a 12 bit value.  Anyway, to the folks trying to relate
magnetic tape media to digital bit equiv's....not so trivial.  The
magnetic media has several different specs which relate to sound quality-
signal to noise ratio (self explanitory), dynamic range (ratio of the
smallest signal which will produce a detectable change in the media TO the
largest signal which still lies in a range where reasonably linear responses
are occurring....in other words, something not too close to saturation, where
an increase of signal gives NO change in the media.), Wow, Flutter (which are
usually more related to the drive unit than the tape itself.)  Of course, if
a noise reduction circuit is employed, then that can drastically change
the SN ratio.  The noise level in tapes pretty much "masks" their dynamic
range potential until such a system is employed.
	Meanwhile, a high quality 8 bit system (NO, that's not an oxymoron)
has only one standard. (If it really has 8 bit wave data, AND an 8 bit
volume control).  The machine will have 8 bit dynamic range, or about 48 db.
The SN ratio will be the same.  NOT SO with magnetic media....and not so
with most so called "8 bit machines" either.  Often, as with the mirage, a
filtering element enters the picture, which improves the SN ratio, while
adding some signal distortion....which actually means the SN ratio didn't
improve, it just got tranformed into something less obnoxious. :-) And, as I
discussed with the K1, I think they might have used a somewhat better than
8 bit volume circuit, which improves the dynamic range.  I could be wrong,
but the point is they could have.  Manufacturers of tape decks give SN
ration specs as high as 59 db or so, which would be almost 10 bit.  Since
the noise floor is also a rather limiting factor on how soft of a thing
you can pick out, the dynamic range is probably about the same.  Using the
noise reduction stuff (dolby, dbx) specs go to about 78 db.....more like a
13 bit eqiv.  and with dbx, around 92 db I think, though you introduce yet
some new kinds of distortion, which I don't like much.
	Thus we begin to understand why many synth manufacturers don't
give very complete audio specs....they don't know how to calculate them. 
There are so many different factors.  I don't think my K5 or K1 had any
listed.  The K5's were probably to dependant on what you were trying to do
with it, and the K1's they were probably too ashamed of! :-)  -bob


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From: ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk (R Clement)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Sony Hi-8mm Digital Recording ... for Ross
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:51:00 GMT
Organization: The University of Leeds, School of Computer Studies
Originator: ross-c@csparc13

In article <9210012121.AA06755@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL writes:
>
>
>You apparently do not exist, at least that's what Manchester's header told
>my mail server...
>

Very strange. Or, should I say, usual for usenet.

>Anyway, could you elaborate a little further on that 6-stereo tracks you
>recorded on Hi-8mm.  I assume it was digital since you indicated a 32KHz
>sample rate.  Respond here (I think others will be intrested, as well) or
>to me by direct E-Mail.  Also, even if you respond to r.m.s., please send

Many of the Sony Video-8 machines have a hi-fi track which is ~32khz
digital. Some of the higher end machines (I'm guessing the one I was using
was an EVS900) have a feature where you can record audio over the image 
part of the tape as well. [Disclaimer: It wasn't mine, it belonged to a 
human-computer interaction laboratory]

I suspect I can guess what you are hoping, and I'm going to have to disappoint
you. You CAN'T playback more than one track at once. You can't use these
machines as a true multitrack recorder, because even though you can record
tracks individually, there is no physical way to mix the tracks. Also, you
can't playback one track while recording another. (* PLEASE correct me if
I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure *)

Thinking back to when I used the machine, you MAY have had to switch a
switch to get into this multi audio mode. Given that, there were two arrows to 
select tracks and a display showing 6 tracks and which one is current. All
sound recording and playback is to the current track.

What you can do with these machines is record a large amount of sound 
onto a very compact tape - 24 hours of digital sound onto an 8mm videotape.
I'm pretty sure that even before Hi-8, or whatever they call 
that which the EVS series has and previous models didn't, isn't neccessary
for this as I have seen older models with the same facility.

I have a tape somewhere which is a backup of all my original recordings
up to the time I used this machine. Haven't got the 8mm video player, but
in an emergency .........

These machines are common in every country I have visited. Probably your
local Sony dealer can show you one. Somewhere I have a letter from Sony
itself telling me that the new EVS series will not have sampling rates
higher than 32khz (this was before I got to play around with one).

Cheers,

Ross-c
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: og@access.digex.com (Gary Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Midi song - "Borderline - Madonna"
Organization: Personal Account - Digital Express Greenbelt, MD
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:16:48 GMT

I'd also like to get these MIDI files to uyse with Trax 2.0 and my Mac. Is
there an ftp or e-mail site for them? - Gary

-- 
- Gary Goldberg og@access.digex.com Bowie, MD KA3ZYW
And NO organization to represent. ' ... Free, free at last ...'
Info on 'The Simpsons'? Let me know.

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: hmikola@polaris.utu.fi (Hannu Tapio Mikola)
Subject: Re: PC-Based Hard Disk Recording
Organization: University of Turku, Finland
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 20:57:07 GMT

I have less than perfect experiences of inside-the-case cards. SB Pro amplifies
every hard disk seek at about -55dB level. Pro Audio Spectrum is far better but
sacrifies from a constant and relatively high noise level (from -65 to -75 dB).
So you are better off with a good tape deck and scissors (laugh!). There is no
cheap and easy solutions to digital direct-to-disk HiFi sound. You are propably
not going to do it without an external A/D-converter and expensive analog front
end.

If we only got an IBM/ISA DAT-adapter with a coaxial digital connectors to our
DAT-machines... (has anybody seen any?)

Hannu Mikola  hmikola@utu.fi
From: sef@sef-pmax.slisp.cs.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re:      K2000 Questions
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:14:24 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon


    I don't think it's currently possible to keep all this on your computer and
    download via a SCSI connection (faster than MIDI), but this may be an
    option in future software.
    
I was wrong, or at least a bit out of date, in this earlier statement.  The
1.28 software ROMs for the K2000 do support transfer of samples via SCSI
using the SMDI data transfer format.  This is available in Passport Alchemy
and Opcode MAX on the Macintosh.  Don't know if there's any support on
IBM-flavor PC's, Amiga, Atari, etc.

The new software, with new and considerably improved patches and demos, is
now being shipped in newly-manufactured K2000's (including, I think, all
rackmounts), and the ROM upgrades are or soon will be available to current
owners at minimal cost.

So one good option to a dedicated hard disk on the K2000 itself, at least
for Mac users, is to put a big disk on the computer instead.

-- Scott

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