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From: rlich@atr-19.scg.hac.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: John and Paul studio '74
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:18:16 GMT
Reply-To: rlich@atr-19.UUCP ()

Anyone have any information on _A Toot And A Snore In '74_ (1974 recording
session with John & Paul) which I've been seeing at my local "import" record
(sorry, CD) store?  I haven't seen any discussions about this.
What kind of stuff did they generate?  Good music?  Trash?  Good
recording?
From: stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: greatest hits on cd?
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:44:35 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex

From article <1992Sep2.204253.27247@udel.edu>, by galuska@oz.asel.udel.edu (Scott Galuska):
> In article <1992Sep2.132121.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
> 
>>	I've been looking, not very systematically for the two, two volume 
>>sets of the beatles greatest hits. I think one is called 1964 - 1968 and
>>the other takes up where the first left off.  Anway, I've been trying to 
>>find these on CD. I wonder if the stores are just always out of stock or 
>>whether they exist?  If not, any ideas when they'll come out on CD?
> 
> Ah, you mean the 'Red' (1962-66) and 'Blue' (1967-1970) double albums.  They
> have not been issued on CD yet.  At one point in time, (last December, I
> believe) they were supposed to have been issued on CD, but the idea was 
> scuttled (by Apple, I believe).
> 

The September Beatles book implies that despite the settlement of many
of the Apple/EMI lawsuits, Red and Blue will not be on CD n the
forseeable future.

Stephen Carter, Systems & Operations Manager, Computing Services
The University of Sussex, Falmer, Brighton BN1 9QJ, UK
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From: harold@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Harold Somers)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Harrison original or cover?
Date: 7 Sep 92 13:44:01 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In <1992Sep1.195843.8134@math.ucla.edu> dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki) writes:

>decidedly upbeat). Ray also had a hit (in major markets) with "If You've
>Got To Make A Fool Of Somebody" in 1961. R.m.b.'ers with long memories
>should recall when this song, with its haunting harmonica, made its debut
>in the hit parade.
>"If You've Got To Etc." was alleged (by Lewisohn, among others) to have
>been part of the Beatles' repertoire in their Cavern days, though I don't
>believe a recording of their rendition survived. It *was* popular among
>Beat groups in Liverpool, and it was natural that George, on holiday with

In Britain this song (or another song with the same title) was a hit for
Freddie and The Dreamers, a Manchester band whose gimmick was larking
about - Freddie (Garrity) in particular leaping around and doing silly
dances. They're still playing the clubs around here, as are several other
groups of the era (I believe you chaps over there call them "British
Invasion" bands)
From: stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Paul's Buddy Holly Event
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:38:04 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex

From article <davison.715271383@calspan.com>, by davison@calspan.com (Vicky Davison):
> 
> 
> 
> 
>    I'll be in London the first week of September, and I was 
> 
>    wondering if anyone has heard anything about Paul's annual Buddy Holly 
> 
>    event (where, when, etc.). I'd love to catch a glimpse of him coming
> 
>    or going.  Any info appreciated. Thanks.
> 
> 
>                                                Vicky Davison


Sept 9th "somewhere in London".  Ring MPL (from the states), tell them
why you want to know, ..... never know may hit paydirt.

If you do I'll let you take me with you   ;-)



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The University of Sussex, Falmer, Brighton BN1 9QJ, UK
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From: harold@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Harold Somers)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Football chants in Rev. 9?
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:30:17 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In <1992Sep8.132449.26862@zip.eecs.umich.edu> rjones@z.eecs.umich.edu (Randolph M. Jones) writes:

>In article <harold.715873736@ccl.umist.ac.uk> harold@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Harold Somers) writes:
>>In <1992Sep3.233941.23864@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:
>>
>>>In <1992Sep3.215617.9094@riacs.edu> howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (John Howells) writes:
>>
>>>>Most obvious to me is the crowd noise at a football game - "hold that
>>>>line! hold that line! hold that line!..."
>>
>>>I always thought it was "block that kick! block that kick!", but I could
>>>be wrong on this one.
>>
>>Given that it was recorded in England, I dont think the crowd noises
>>(probably taken off the telly or radio) would be from a football crowd -
>>English football crowds dont quite sound so clear as that, it would be
>>almost exclusively men's voices, and anyway
>>they wouldn't be chanting anything like hold that line! or block that
>>kick!. My assumption has always been that it is a political march or
>>rally. But I havent thought closely about what they're actually
>>chanting.

>I quite clearly hear "Block that kick!" AND "Hold that line!" being shouted
>by the crowd in different parts of the song, and it sounds exactly like it
>was recorded from an American football game.  However, I have heard people
>claim that the shout is "Block that Nixon" rather than "Block that kick".
>parts 

I'll have a listen this evening and get back to you on that one...
From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Sound bytes for Let It Be
Keywords: beatles specter
Date: 5 Sep 92 01:08:28 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:

>Recently someone asserted that the talking during "For You
>Blue" was not recorded during the song, but mixed in later
>by Phil Specter.

>It was my impression (and I could be wrong) that the dialog
>mixing Phil did was limited to the bits in between songs
>("Queen says no to pot-smoking FBI members.." "I'd just like
>to say thank-you on behalf of the group and ourselves..."
>"that was 'Can you dig it' by Georgie Wood and now we'd like
>to do...").

>Could someone with access to the film (assuming the album
>version is in it, as I've forgotten) and/or some boots
>please clear this up for me?

The talking (e.g. "Go Johnny") was part of that take of the
recording.  The original "Get Back" album had another take
of the song, without the talking in the middle.  (Although at
the beginning, you hear the sound of ice in a glass, and
George has a false start on the intro solo, followed
by someone yelling "quiet please")

"That was Can You Dig It" was actually said in falsetto by
John after the released take of "Dig It".   However, Spector
edited out almost all of the song, and stuck the "That was Can
You Dig It" in at the end.  The next song on both -Get Back-
and -Let It Be- is "Let It Be".

"Queen says no ..."  is from the Twickenham rehearsal sessions.
It is the only thing from those sessions that ended up on
-Let It Be-.


-- 

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Project Manager, MIS Sales/Marketing Systems    uunet!pyramid!infmx!randall
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: williasr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Steven R. Williams)
Subject: Beatles Poll 1
Keywords: poll
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 00:14:48 GMT


:) Well, here it goes. (:

I submit this poll to any and all readers and hope that all of you with  
opinions respond accordingly. I'm going to start with a few simple  
questions, and if things go well, I will post more polls with more  
controversial questions later. Please read the response instructions at  
the end of this post... 


Question 1 : What is your favorite Beatles (group) album?
Question 2 : What is your favorite Beatles solo album?
Question 3 : Who is your favorite Beatle? (please choose one of the  
four...No fifth Beatles!!!)

Response instructions :
 1. Send all response directly to me...I will post the results in a week  
or two. My e-mail address is :  williasr@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
 2. Don't post responses (see instuction #1 for more info)
 3. You don't have to answer all of the questions...but be sure to number  
your responses accordingly...
 4. Don't be afraid to respond...you won't get flamed for your choices  
because I will be the only one to see the actual responses..
 5. If possible limit responses to one choice for each question...(Don't  
say "My favorite Beatles albums are those after Sgt. Peppers" say "my  
favorite Beatles album is...." or "just Question 1:(insert favorite album  
here)" ).
  
  
I realize the questions are kind of basic...I would like to recieve  
responses from as many readers as possible, but hey if I'm the only one  
that responds then next time I can put something like...100% of r.m.b  
readers chose George Harrison as there favorite Beatle!!!!!

Any input welcome,
Steven R. Williams
Send responses to 
williasr@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
------------------------------------------------------
"Take my smile and my heart they were yours from the start"
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: yyz@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (donald.w.coons)
Subject: Re: Explain "Come Together?"
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:18:47 GMT

In article <lb954iINN1u5@news.bbn.com> rgranvil@bbn.com (Rob Granville) writes:
>>Subject: Explain "Come Together?"
>
>In article <1992Sep13.210401.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> ,
>rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
>>Would anyone like to let me know what "Come together" is all about?
>>
>>I don't know what they're talking about... Toejam football?  Jube-jube 
>>eyeballs? Spinal cracker?
>>
>>sheesh!
>>
>That should be enough to get this thread started.
>
>Rob Granville

Didn't John write this song for Timothy Leary for his 1968 presidential
campaign. I think the story goes that he wrote the song and played it 
for Leary, and when he heard it he thought it was laughable.

 Don Coons
 dwc@wnb3b2.att.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: alex@tpocc.gsfc.nasa.gov (Alex Measday)
Subject: Solo Beatles
Organization: Integral Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:35:45 GMT

I'm posting these for a friend, Don Sauter, who doesn't have access to
USENET.

                                      Alex Measday
                                      alex@tpocc.gsfc.nasa.gov

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Back in February there was some discussion of which solo Beatles helped
out on which solo Beatles' records.  There's an instance of Paul and John 
performing together that was missed; indeed, it seems that hardly anyone 
is aware of this.  Rather than just blurting out the answer, how about 
some clues first?

The song was recorded and first released in 1973.  What's really ironic 
is that the line they sing together is based on a George Harrison quote.  
You've all heard this song *lots* of times.  Good luck.


Don Sauter
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: john@johniac.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Subject: Re: Ringo on Jerry Lewis Telethon?
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 17:26:22 GMT
Reply-To: johniac@hwperform.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstation Division, Austin, TX

In article <1992Sep9.123350.26083@medtron.medtronic.com>, kr11615@yugoslavia (Kent Roessler) writes:
|> Just heard that Ringo performed for the Jerry Lewis Telethon.
|> Does anyone know what he sang? How was the performance?

"You're Sixteen".

Actually he wasn't on the telethon itself.  They were doing a concert
that night at Caesar's Palace, and the telethon just cut over there
during the show for a remote.  Todd Rundgren was wearing a ridiculous
looking roman guard outfit, and Joe Walsh was not there (does anyone
know why?).  

Incidentally I ran out of gas on my way to the Ringo show in Austin on
8/15 :-( and when I got there, they were in the middle of "No Time
Left For You".  What did I miss? 

-- 
John Iacoletti    IBM AWD Austin    Internet: johniac@hwperform.austin.ibm.com
        My opinions do not reflect the views of the IBM Corporation
"Now I laugh and make a fortune off the same ones that I tortured, and the
  world screams, 'Kiss me, son of God'" -- TMBG
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Video: I've Got My Mind Set On You (was:  Cloud 9 questions)
Keywords: Harrison
Date: 12 Sep 92 17:28:48 GMT
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......

In article <randall.716246776@seashore> randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:
>I just saw the video for "I've Got My Mind Set On You" last night
>on VH1.  George still seems to have a lot a stage fright.  He

It's actually only "Got My Mind Set on You"

Personally, I much preferred the "arcade" video for GMMSOY.  George also did
a video for "This is Love", and "When We Was Fab" from Cloud 9.

>looked like someone was holding a gun to his head and forcing
>him to do it.  The video was one of the siller ones I've seen, 
>with various inanimate objects (doors, swords, stuffed animals) 
>dancing to the music.
>
>Question: Are there other ex-Fabs videos making the rounds on
>cable TV?  Did Ringo do one for his latest album?

Ringo, and his friends from Jellyfish did indeed do a video for 
"Weight of the World."  Nice little clip of Ringo in a circus like
setting.  MTV played it once or twice, but it has mostly disappeared
into the mist.   Of all places, it turned up on The Family Channel's
"Family Music Video Hour" a week or so ago.  

I'm sure Paul will have a boatload of videos when his new album comes
out.  George says the Japan shows were *not* filmed, (although I do
wonder where the nice looking footage from ABC's "In Concert" came from),
so professional videos on that front are highly unlikely.  As an aside, I
wonder when Paul is going to get around to releasing a collection of all his
videos?  He has enough to fill 2 - 3 tapes (including his "Back to the Egg"
special) easily.  Similarly, George has enough material from his promo films
for a nice tape.

<ESC>



-- 
..You either kiss the future or the past goodbye...
                          -- Ringo Starr (written by O'Deherty / Velez)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 01:24:50 -0400 
From: Samuel Roy Helwig <sh4j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: FIFTH BEATLE


    Ok, I'm game :-)

    I cast one vote for George Martin and one GIANT vote against Yoko Ono.

                    --Sam
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: rags@triples.math.mcgill.ca (Robert A. G. Seely)
Subject: Official release of '65 material?
Organization: Dept Of Mathematics and Statistics
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 04:01:42 GMT

(Forgive a beginner if this is a repeat note - I think I didn't manage
to send this successfully the first time, but you never know ...)

The other night the (TV) news carried an item saying that EMI planned a
release of previously unreleased material from c. 1965.  (Not a bootleg) -
Does anyone have some details about this (rumor?)?  (I have - as I guess
everyone does - a wish list of this sort, but never expected it to be
fulfilled.  Am still skeptical now ...)

-rags

Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: kp@cc.uow.edu.au (Karen Pepper)
Subject: Cow stories & bull stories
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 05:57:36 GMT

bchs1k@menudo.uh.edu (Edward S. Chen) writes:

>In article <harold.715873066@ccl.umist.ac.uk> harold@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Harold Somers) writes:
>>In <1992Sep2.035640.4694@menudo.uh.edu> edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen) writes:
>>

>[my retelling of John's "cow story" deleted]

>>
>>Although the book has got pretty negative reviews in this group, this
>>incident is reported in much the same detail in Fred Seaman's book, which
>>makes me think that there probably is some grain oif truth in his
>>portrayal of their marriage being pretty shakey during the Househusband
>>years.

>But, consider that Seaman would attempt to include enough "truth" in his
>novel to make it appear believable.  Further, Seaman would take care to
>make sure anything so easily verifiable would jibe reasonably well with the
>version John told.  (John mentions that Seaman was in Bermuda, in the question
>previous to the cow quote, so all Fred would have to do is a search through
>the entire interview for his own name!)

From what I saw of the book, there were a number of occasions where
Seaman backs up his claims with remarks that "I later found out 
that blah, blah, blah....", giving the impression that he was
privy to some priviledged inside information. However, in every
case it was stuff that I had already heard of from
previously published material, especially scandalographies.

Remember, Fred can read too.
-- 
* Karen Pepper                  *                                     *
* Moth Wrangler and Stylist     *  " Fingite me mortuum esse. Dicite  *
*                               *    aliquid belli. "                 *
* kp@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au       *                        - Petronius  *
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: ers1@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (eugene.r.schroeder)
Subject: Re: Harrison's That Which I Have Lost
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 19:02:25 GMT
Keywords: harrison

In article <1992Sep12.183801.17059@cs.rose-hulman.edu> williasr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Steven R. Williams) writes:
>
>Once while I was doing a research paper on the Gita (the basis of much of  
>the Hindu religion), I came across a passage in an introduction which was  
>amazingly similar (really quite the same) as the lyrics to Harrison's  
>"That Which I Have Lost" from the Somewhere in England CD...was this just  
>blatant plagiarism or what? I believe it was an intro by Aldous Huxley...  
>and basically contained the lyrics to the entire song...this might not  
>bother me, but I can find nowhere where George credits Huxley...maybe the  
>book was past copyright or something...
>
>Surely I'm not the first to notice this.... does anyone have any knowledge  
>or thoughts on this???

It is a similar situation with "The Inner Light" which is credited
to George and published by Northern Songs.  The words are a direct
translation from the Tao Te Ching, as George discusses in the book
"I Me Mine"

Gene
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles,rec.music.cd
From: mcodogno@nyx.cs.du.edu (Maurizio Codogno)
Subject: Re: New Beatles CD - False Reports in UK
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: Beatles CD
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 07:07:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.080102.4162@syma.sussex.ac.uk> stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter) writes:
>Press Reports of New Beatles Album
>==================================
>A front page story on this week's (6th Sept 92) Sunday  Times 
>reports  that a "lost" collection of Beatles songs is due  to 
>be released, having been "rescued" from the "vaults" in Abbey 
>Road.
>
>This report was even picked up by the BBC and reported during 
>the day.
>
>The 'fuss' led me to set my principles (ie distaste at nearly 
>all UK gutter press) to one side and see what the story  was.  
>I needn't have bothered.
>
>The  "exclusive"  simply pads out the list of  the  "treasure 
>trove"  that was being "dusted down this week",  which  turns 
>out  to  be exactly the same as  the  ever-so-nearly-released 
>SESSIONS  album from 1985(?). 
 
Oh, yeah. This "news" (??) came into Italy, too. On the Sunday edition
of _La Stampa_, they said: (translation is mine, as the (!)s  )
 
     An unpublished record from Beatles

A collection of "lost" songs by Beatles, forgot in EMI vaults since 60s,
has been found, and will be published in a CD which will be issued
next year. Among the recordings, there is one of the first trials of
the group's drummer Ringo Starr to sing "If You've got Trouble", 
several versions of "Leave that kitten alone" (!) sung by John Lennon
and "That means a lot", performed by Paul McCartney (photo). From EMI
vaults, Tthe original Beatles' version of "How do you do it?" and "Bad
to me" popped out, which the Liverpool group gave out (!) to 
other groups like the Pacemakers and the Dakotas. For this occasion,
Apple, therecord company founded by Beatles, and EMI have put aside
the long legal battle in which they are opposed since years, and are
collaborating.


Sorry for the poor quality of my translation: the point I
would let known is that no matter how much original prss release is
wrong, the news is still worse - and then urban legends came out.
 
ciao! .mau.
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: custd@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Scott Dreher)
Subject: Let It Be sessions
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:54:45 GMT

We are currently trying to locate a copy of the 1969 Let It Be sessions
on video. Does anyone know if it is still in print? If so where can it
be found? Thank you.
From: doh@cis.ksu.edu (Kyung-Goo Doh)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Korean Beatle Albums from the 70's?
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:01:45 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University, Dept. of Computing and Information Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: draconis.cis.ksu.edu

In article <1992Sep14.194629.23392@samba.oit.unc.edu> northcot@med.unc.edu  
(Robert W. Northcott) writes:
> At a flea market recently I picked up copies of "Abbey Road", "Yellow
> Submarine", and "Let it Be" that are in very poor quality paper sleeves
> with versions of the American release covers on them and this is in turn
> in a cellophane sleeve.  There is what I was told is Korean writing along
> the bottom front and back and the label name is "First".  They also have
> dates of 1970 in big letters on the front.  Do these strike a chord (no
> pun intended) with anyone?  Fill me in, they are in VG condition.  What is
> their collector status?

Maybe none. They must be counterfeits.

Only legitimate releases of the Beatles LPs from 70's in Korea are
Abbey Road(~74), two Blue and Red greatest hits packages(late 70's), 
and some compilations(even later). 
The sound quality and package of Abbey Road was pretty good.
(This was my first Beatle album.) But the quality of Blue and Red album
were really aweful - even worse than conterfeit versions. 
I bought them and then never listened to them again.

All the other albums were available as counterfeits. So what he got from
flea market must be counterfeits. There were tens of different pressings
of counterfeit Beatle LPs available throughout the 70's.
The legitimate record companies in Korea did not do a good job to satisfy
rock music fans in those days -- very limited selection and slow in 
releasing new LPs. So the counterfeits were everywhere for almost anything
that were released in the US or Europe. The prices were also very cheap --
less than a dollar. :-))  (I used to have hundreds of those.)
I have not been able to find any counterfeits in Korea these days. :-(
All we can find is those legimate versions on CDs.
Most notably Sgt Peppers' .. was in the cute box!!! 

Kyung-Goo Doh
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: Explain "Come Together?"
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 02:04:01 GMT

Would anyone like to let me know what "Come together" is all about?

I don't know what they're talking about... Toejam football?  Jube-jube 
eyeballs? Spinal cracker?

sheesh!

skip