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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: The answer to the 13 balls problem
From: <B7D@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 17:41:15 EST
Organization: Penn State University

You got the right answer! In fact, in answering to the 12 ball problem, I
 solved the problem of 4 balls against other 4 balls if they are not balanced,
 although I made a writing mistake in my last post. There could be many
 different ways of solving the problem but the basic reasoning remains almost
 the same. I am going to try to explain non-balancing situation of 4 balls
 against other 4 balls in a little different way but in no intention of
 disputing your discovery:-).

    In case that 4 balls do not balance the other 4, we have the 3 groups:
 5 normal balls, 4 on the heavy side, and 4 on the light side. Let's denote
 a ball with N, H, or L to indicate from which groups it is selected in the
 following reasoning.

      A. 2H + 3L against 4N + 1L. (in the 12 ball problem, I do not have 5N
                                   so I use this but yours better)
         a. The left side light:
            Then the odd one must be light and is one of 3L on the left side.
            It is easy to tell which one is odd by one more measurement from 3
            balls if we know it is heavier or lighter.

         b. The left side heavy:
            Then the odd ball must one of 2H on the left side or 1L on the
            right side. Select 1H of these 2H and the 1L and put on the left
            side of the balance against 2N, that is, 1H + 1L against 2N.
            (Your direct measuring 2H is better, I could do that, too).

                1. Not balance:
                   The odd one must be one of 2 balls on the
                   left side, and heavy or light one depending on whether
                   the left side heavy or light.

                2. Balance:
                   The odd one must be one of 2H which is not used
                   in this measurement.

         c. 2H + 3L balance 4N + 1L
             Then the odd one must be one of 2H remained in the 4H group.
             So one more measurement will do the job of finding which one is
             heavy from these 2H.

 Duane
From: yao@ee.rochester.edu (Meng Yao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: How Turkic are the "Uygurs" (Was Re: Russian in Xinjiang)
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:53:33 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

In article <Bz4DpH.9Cr@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:
>In article <1g9s0oINNl1m@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk> rap@doc.ic.ac.uk writes:
>>From article <92Dec10.165619est.54@orasis.vis.toronto.edu>, by liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu):
>>> I got a question, besides the "turkistan from Agean Sea to Great Wall"
>>> rhetoric, how close are Uygurs and Turkish people related?  I really
>>> don't think their blood line was that close.
>>
>>If you mean genetically, the people of Turkey are not that different
>>from their neighbours in the eastern Mediterranean.  As for language,
>>I understand that Turkish and Uighur are about as different as Cantonese
>>and Mandarin.
>
>What I want to know is: how/why are the mongol/manchu languages more similar
>to turkish than to chinese? aren't the mongols/manchus mongoloids and the
>turks caucassoids?

I don't like the title of the subject, it should be the other way around,
because Uyghurs are the ancestors of the Turks. I remember in an issue
of Newsweek this year, this is mentioned as a fact.

Meng
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: test
Reply-To: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:18:46 GMT

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: rlm2s@helena.stat.uda.edu.###################### (Cosmic)
Subject: test
Organization: UGA Statistics Department
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:33:14 GMT

test
cosmic

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wlei@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Lei)
Subject: Re: A C program for 24 points poker game
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 04:50:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.235320.16861@news.acns.nwu.edu> tan@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Shufeng Tan) writes:
>/* 24-point poker game */
>

stuff deleted ...

Anybody tried to run this program by giving an input of four 9's with a 
back slash like this:

Please enter four numbers: 9 9 9 9\

It will give fun results. :-<



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zhangjg@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Jing Zhang)
Subject: Re: An Old Arithmatic Problem
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 04:20:19 GMT


Could it be 5*5 - 1^5 ?
xin xu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zeng@ecf.toronto.edu (ZENG Roger Wei Gang)
Subject: Re: Some Interesting Statistics
Keywords: audio, statistics, song, chinese, ftp
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:47:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.163257.16465@sunova.ssc.gov> jigang@dale.ssc.gov (Jigang Yang) writes:
>
>
>   Since we first put some audio files of chinese songs on anonymous ftp site
>143.202.76.24 ( April 13, 1992), we have recorded about 31000    ftp's to get 
>audio files. Those ftp's are from 2738  sites all over the world.  I did some
>statistics a minute ago. It shows the order of popularity. From this list, we
etc...
>
>#FTP   Name of the Song
>---- ---------------------------------------
> 423 B01.Red_Bright_Heart
> 370 B02.Hot_Blood
> 318 T01.Please_Follow_Me
etc ...

One question, can anyone tell me how to play those audio files with .au
extension on Unix or DOS machine. I have access to SGI and Mip machine.
Thanx.
-- 
					Roger Zeng
					Engeering Science 9T5
					University of Toronto
					e-mail: zeng@ecf.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: 90908648@bradford.ac.uk
Subject: warning!
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:33:45 GMT

Don't discuss with an idiot. Other netters will wonder
which side is the idiot at all!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zheng@brahms.udel.edu (Xian-Feng Zheng)
Subject: Info needed on computer science at USF
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:55:45 GMT

Should anyone out there be from University of South Florida, please kindly give me the information on housing, job market, etc.  I am going to begin the M.S program in computer science without funding from the university in May 1993.  Please respond to this account.

Many thanks in advance.

Feng.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: lix@crsa.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Subject: Open reply to a friend
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:53:36 GMT

A netter friend wrote to me:
>> (deleted, ... I said) : I just made some D-fighters
>> very nervous -- Have you seen their personal attack on me? I did not
> bother to reply yet, let it cool down.
>
>    Yes, I am wondering why you have not counterattacked.

Sorry friend, I am replying openly without your consent. I did not reply
because at the first place, my words may be very offensive:

"Shame on you, small report maker(s)"!!!

Well, I did not expect it touches the nerves of a few D-fighters so badly.

The second reason I did not reply, is their response is so illogical, that
I am waiting for other D-fighters to correct it:-) For example, a current
GaoGan JHL wrote:

>        The SUMFN Campaign Owns Public an Explanation
>      What has happended to its "national coordinator" ?
>(deleted)
>Regards
>
>Jinghong Li
>for and only for myself

It is very funny "Owns". So another former Gaogan corrected him:
>I am not a law expert, and Raymond Luh does not owe me "an explanation".

So this former GaoGan did not send any signature to Raymond Luh secretely,
I believe. Well, he did make some good suggestions to scare former SUMFN:-)
It is more funny than any possible reply from me.

Another funny but sad response was from <zhang@BU-AST.BU.EDU>, he said:
>I am really surprised by the following poster made by Mr. Lix. Seems
>a martyr or hero is in the making. Please do not.

Well I did not, did I ? :-)

>Especially please do not use one tiny event to mix with the whole picture.

It is tiny to you and me, but his wife and two kids may not think so.

>As a veteran on the netters, my distaste for your heroic friend is...
>(why he distastes ignored, rationality of small report deleted)
>
> (deleted) it is beyond the imagination,
>at least for me, that CG's National Security Bureau would inform the "victim"
>of their investigation:-).

Well, your poor imagination may be because you have no father, no friends,
may be, not sure. Anyway, try not to betray friends, well, a friend of mine,
maybe a friend of you also, met you and me in your apartment a few weeks ago.
Are you accusing him lying?  IFCSS is collecting reports about harrasement of
CG to CSS's family, your poor imagination is certainly not helpful for this
purpose.

I am not interested in fighting fighters:-)  I am afraid of them, either
D-fighters or P-fighters. But because of hiden accusation to me, I had to
say a few words, sorry about that.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:32384 talk.politics.china:3355
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Tragic Outcome of the Fight Between "P&D Fighters" (Re: Nrews ...)
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:28:15 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <Bz2zC9.J0s@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
>Mr. Ding, if you want to bicker, remember what you said first.
...
>Don't you remember that's a follow-up to your response posted to BOTH
>...politics... and ..culture... group?
>
>Well, if you don't have much to say, then bicker around :-)

Mr. Xiong:

I only asked a question.  An answer is all I am looking for in
the follow-up.  I don't have much/not interested in bicker around in
...culture... group.  If ...politics... group, well if I got time ;-)

-- 
//Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //Go your way, be happy.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: r2jy@vax1.cc.uakron.edu (Jianqing Yuan)
Subject: Re: laughable encounter in Beijing airport
Organization: The University of Akron, Akron, Ohio
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 15:54:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.213420.1143@newsgate.sps.mot.com> dwong@chopsuey.pico writes:

>washroom (xi2 xio3 jen1 (sp?)) was.  
           ^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^                                      
>the toilet (che4 so3)!".  :-) 
             ^^^  ^^^

Gee, seems your PINYIN is terrible (100% error)....should be 'spelled' as:
 1) xi3 shou3 jian1
 2) ce4 suo3

no wonder you didn't get the directions, you probably weren't understood
anyway...shame on you!
From: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:55:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: Msu.00965150.AD510500
Reply-To: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: fun problem No.2 continued
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:00:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.191458.11621@ee.rochester.edu> yao@ee.rochester.edu (Meng Yao) writes:
>This problem can be easily generalized.
>Say there are m cars and n goats and m+n doors, there is either one car or
>one goat behind each door. No door is empty. You choose one door and the host 
>will open randomly one of the doors that have a goat behind it. Now, should
>you switch to another door or not? In either case, what's the probability of
>winning a car? You are allowed to choose only one door, so don't dream of 
>winning all the m cars.
>
I certainly will. If I don't, the host might open the door I choose and show
me a goat, which if I stick to, I'd make a fool of myself:-).

FY
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Character problem
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:44:37 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <ding.724309651@pv7410.vincent.iastate.edu> ding@iastate.edu (Y.G. Ding) writes:
>           ------       ---       /
>   |-  --- |---   |---  --|  +  -----
>   O   O|  |  |   | O   O |  O  / O
>       \|  |---   |___   \|
>           |____
>
>O stands for the square.  
>The third is a little shaky, may not valid if you have a rule, but you did not.

Well done, Mr. Ding! :-)

The third one is invalid by the original poster (the author).

The first one is incorrect if it is zhan4 (zhan4 ling3).  But it should
be easy to fix as the key is the fouth one.

-- 
//Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //Go your way, be happy.
From: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: a math problem for those who want to challenge china's math champion
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:09:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: Msu.00965152.9D6C7FA0
Reply-To: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University

In article <00965125.C67B2F40@Msu.oscs.montana.edu>, uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
>this is one of the 6 problems in the final contest of national math contest of
>1986.
>a plane is filled with any way by either black or white points. Prove that:
>there must exist one equi-lateral triangle whose 3 vertex are same color.
>
>I dont think there was more than 10 contestants that worked it out (judging by
>average sores and that it is the last one of 6 problem.)  I dont know the
>answer, which is why I didnt choose math as my career.
>
>Wei Huang --- future world No1. of xxx-ology.

I remembered clealy that i drew a latice, which looks like a line of black
points near a line of white points. If the post is exactly the contest problem,
you start with a pair of same color points, then you will develop the same
latice,----but I cannot imagine why I didn't see that big triangle at that
time. Anyone participated the national math camp in Tianjin in 1986 to confirm
the problem?                                        

W. Huang 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: test
Reply-To: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:15:49 GMT

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From: xltang@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Xueli Tang)
Subject: Is Mao a god?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:02:11 GMT


In article <313.9212151719@subnode.bradford.ac.uk>, 90908648@bradford.ac.uk writ
es:
|>
|> This is a serious qeustion, not a joke. Just imagine,
|> Chairman Mao was born on 26 December! One day after
|> Jesus was born! Was it merely coincidence? Doubtful.
|> Although both of them are dead, they always live in
|> people's hearts! Everywhere we see their pictures! Read their
|> instructions! Lots of songs and peoms are devoted to them!
|> Both of them are revered! When a SCC get exited, s/he would say:
|> "I can swear before Chairman Mao!" Cab drivers in Beijing
|> hang a mini-portrait of Mao in front of them to deter evils.
|> I am seriously considering hanging one in my room.


Just as someone has pointed out in previous posting, Xmas is just a symbolic 
date for the birth of Jesus Christ. Besides, Dec, 25 is not exactly 26 December.
I happen to have a couple of friends whose birthdays are December 26, and they
are Christians, does it mean anything? Thank God that people's fate are not
defined by their births but by what they choose to do in their lives.

As far as comparison goes, Jesus has been worshiped for about 2000 years,
and Xmas songs are worldwide. Give it a few hundred years and see if Mao's
songs are still popular. Again, what's popular does not prove anything.
By the way, don't you like Xmas songs? They are  only a tiny subset of songs
that are written for the sake of Jesus, and writers and singers are all 
volunteers.

A false god is what people think is a god, but actually it's an idol or a human
being or even could be money or anything, it does not bring any real happiness 
to you soul. An ancient wise man tried just about everything and only found
emptiness until he turned to God, the creater of all creature. May you also 
search for the real happiness.

Merry Christmas!
From: raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: fun problem No.2
Date: 17 Dec 92 07:00:32 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson
Originator: raymond@jupiter

>This problem I saw in Reader's Digest of China.
>This happened in a show. There are three doors, behind two of them are two
>goats, and behind the remaining door is a car. Of course you want to land
>on the car. Now the host asks you which door you want to have open, let's
>say you choose door No.1. At this time, the host opens one of the other
>two doors, say door No.3 and shows you that it is a goat behind it.
>Question: To enhance your chances of winning the car, should you stick
>to door No.1 or switch to door No.2 or there is no diffrence between
>the two choices? 

The problem has been circulated in many newgroups before. In fact
it has already made it to a math journal which some netter
referenced. The crux of the problem is not so much mathematics as
understanding the situation properly. The implicit thing is that
the host will never open door No.1 as well as only open a door
when the other door has a car behind. That is the extra information
that will gaurantee that, if the car is ever behind either of the
two doors(2/3 of the chance), he will show it to you by opening the
other door.
-- 
Just call me `Man'. 
"And why take ye thought for "    --   Matt. 6:28
raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: rlm2s@helena.stat.uda.edu.###################### (Cosmic)
Subject: another tes
Summary: <none>
Organization: UGA Statistics Department
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:03:00 GMT

yet another test

cosmic.
From: ftgt@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Joan chen on screen?
Date: 12 Dec 92 23:11:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: acad3.1992Dec12.151109.1
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

In article <1992Dec9.173834.28637@cs.brown.edu>,
> In article <Bz034I.3vq@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>,
> |> In article <1992Dec9.175735.1@cc.helsinki.fi> quany 
> ...............
>................
> One thing strikes me most by watching her is that her English has reached such 
> a quintessential level. She has my awe on that. 
   
I was quite impressed by her English, too.
From: jli@udecc.engr.udayton.edu (Jinghong Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Gun Shot
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:41:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: udecc.BzEu90.6xx
Organization: Univ. of Dayton, School of Engineering


Confirm - heard on Paul Harvy(?) News, the Chinese student was 
a very talented violinist.  Friends were saying he was always
a racist, made many deadly remarks against Blacks and Jews.


In article <1992Dec16.193111.1@wharton.upenn.edu> zhang48@wharton.upenn.edu writes:
>In article <92351.175731U21885@uicvm.uic.edu>, U21885@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>> 
>> According to The World Journal (Chinese Newspaper) , Wednesday , Dec.16,
>> 
>> 1992 :
>>    On Dec 15,1992 at the state of Massachusetts,
>>    A hornor student from China shot two to dead and the other four
>> wounded , by using his semi-auto rifle which was just bought at the
>> same day. After the incident , he called the police department to
>> declare the incident.
>
>Can anyone please confirm this?


-- 
- ........................................................................-
Politics is like coaching a football team.  you have to be smart enough
to understand the game but not smart enough to lose interest.
From: zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: puzzle?
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:01:20 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

xiaohan@euler.Berkeley.EDU (Xiaohan Yun) writes:
>which direction is the cow's tail points at?

The tail is not pointing at east or west or north or south! It is pointing
in the same direction as in the begining......
Unless, of course, the cow gets so pissed off by that smart ass it tries to
whip him, then the tail is changing directions all the time! 
ZZZ
From: zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Answer to fun problem No.2 and related matters
Date: 18 Dec 92 03:43:12 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

yao@ee.rochester.edu (Meng Yao) writes:

>Before the host opens one door for you, the probabilities of the two cases
>i.e., choose a car and choose a goat are 1/3 and 2/3 respectively. Let's
so far so good.

>discuss the two cases separately. Say you choose a car (1/3 probability),
>after the host opens one door with a goat behind it, the other door must
>have a goat behind it too. So, if you stick to your original choice, you
>will get the car, and if you switch you will get the goat. The chance of
>getting the car by sticking to original choice will be 1/3. Say you choose
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Not really. The argument goes wrong at this step. If it is determined that 
a goat is behind door2, then the 
probability of a car being behind door1 becomes 1/2! Therefore there is 
no need to switch.  Remember, when you open door2, you change the 
probability distribution!  The game changes completely! 

>(deleted stuff)
There is no need to go through all these reasoning. You will only confuse
yourself.

>Somebody said this is a conditional probability problem, I agree and I think
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yes, it is. Situation is, two goats and a car being behind 3 doors. The 
condition is, door2 having a goat behind it. The question is, what is
the probability of a car being behind door1?

>it can be solved with theories of conditional probability.
Solution: the probability of a car being behind door2 is 0. The probability
of a car being behind door1 =1/2. The probability of a car being behind
door3 =1/2. Therefore door1=door3.

>Meng
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan