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From: danco@titan.ucc.umass.edu (DANIEL F COHEN)
Subject: Re: Sam Adams suing someone?
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:51:40 GMT

In article <1eiuqaINNsbr@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak) writes:

>   Koch already had one lawsuit against the Boston Beer Works (an
>excellent brewpub near Fenway Park-- I'll be there tomorrow) tossed
>out, and reportedly recently filed another one.  It's rumored that
>he also is filing one against the Commonwealth Brewery.  

Whatever the basis of the suit against Commonwealth, it can't possibly do
them more damage than that swill they've been trying to pawn off as beer
for the last couple years.  Almost put me off porter completely.

>My memory
>is a bit hazy as to the specifics, but I think the first BBW lawsuit
>alleged that the public would confuse "Boston Beer Works" with
>"The Boston Beer Company" (the name of Koch's brewery).  The second
>one reportedly has to do solely with the word "Boston."  I think
>the Commonwealth suit also has to do with the word "Boston" somehow.

That was the missing piece.   I didn't realize that was the name
of Koch's company.

You have rendered sense from the senseless.  A thousand thanks.

--Dan
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: jbunn@seanews.akita.com (John E Bunn)
Subject: Re: Colorado Civil Rights - Listen up!
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News + Mail
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:07:01 GMT

afd@bellcore.com (Alex F. Dietz) writes:

> Man, it's hard to believe that good beer drinking folks have such
> intolerance.  I'm seeing postings praising what's happening in CO
> and how we should all go out and *start* drinking Coors.
> 
> Keeee-riist people!  The reason we have been stuck with Budweiser, Miller,
> and Coors for sooo fricking long was this intolerant attitude applied
> to alcohol.  Prohibition was *real* - not history book fantasy.
> 
> If you honestly believe that the "Colorado Family Values" group will
> celebrate their victory and sit quietly back, then you'd best
> start enjoying Coors right now 'cause it's all that's going to be on 
> the store shelves once CFV aims it's intolerant ideals at breweries.
> 
> -A Dietz
> Bellcore, Morristown NJ
> That's NEW JERSEY - where homebrewing became legal 
> this year and brewpubs are still illegal.
> 
> 

If the Colorado referendum doesn't scare the p_ss out of you, better 
drag out the history books.  It's not just THEM, because once persecution
and intolerance become the norm, they will begin to seek other areas
to impose their life style and values.  Does any one remember the "Moral
Majority" and the potential threat they represented to the 80% of 
Americans in the minority?  An example...  We don't want to teach our 
kids about sex, let alone let them have birth and disease control.  We 
tie the hands of health care workers by censuring certain topics they may 
discuss with patients.  On the other hand we wonder why we have so many 
teen pregnancys.  Part of the reason AIDS is such a problem right now is 
10 years ago Reagan and the Moral Majority decided since the problem only 
affected gays (a lifestyle abohored by God) that the best action was to 
do nothing and let the problem clense the population of these 
individuals.  It was like a divine flame clensing America in some peoples 
minds...  Only when they began to realise the implications of the disease 
did the government decide to take up the issue in any major way.  People, 
this has a lot to do with Beer.  When THEY are done doing their work, 
THEY will come looking for YOU.  There are already people trying to 
pressure the government to affect the things you read, watch or listen 
to,  how and when you pray, and what you eat, drink and smoke.
Read about Krystalnach, Proabition, the KKK and the DEA under Anslinger.
Educate yourselves and reject intolerance in any kind.
 
JB
 
Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk hand in hand.


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From: jhoskins@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James M Hoskins)
Subject: Re: Bud
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:53:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.151750.5559@viewlogic.com> robl@macro.viewlogic.com (Rob
Limbert) writes:
>
>In article <Bxu1t6.B82@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>, crvich@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Ernest Cr
vich) writes:
>
>|>    The Boston Lager seems to be held with some high regard, but my taste
>|> buds can't seem to find any flavor in the bottle.  It is slightly better
>|> than any American megabrewed sewage, but not drastically.  Heck, the Boston
>|> Ale has a much fuller taste, almost as much hop character as some of the
>|> English pale ales.  I still fail to see the appeal of the Lager.  I'm
>|> confident some of the alt.beer readers will try to enlighten me, though. :)
>
>   I confess that I don't find Sam Adams Lager particularly exciting
>   either, but it's a good quality Pilsener, probably one of the best brewed
>   in the U.S.. And given how much abuse the term 'Pilsener' takes (Miller
>   Lite calls itself a Pilsener, for example), they deserve credit for
>   producing a beer worthy of the Pilsener designation. I tend to prefer the
>   Boston Ale (or some of Sam Adams seasonal brews, like the Winter Lager or
>   the Double Bock) myself.
>
>   One positive development, though. In New England, many restaurants now
>   offer Sam Adams as their 'Premium' beer, whereas until a few years ago,
>   they thought they were doing customers a big favor by offering Michelob
>   or Heineken. And _that's_ a big step up.


Gentlemen,

You probably both know how easily context can be lost with usenet
discussions.  The suggestion to try Samuel Adams Boston Lager was
offered in response to Heather who said that Bud Dry was her "fave"
beer.  Where better to start somone on the road to better beer drinking
than a Pilsner like Sam Adams?  I'll admit there are good, interesting
beers out there that have to be tried.  However, if you were encouraging
someone who loves Bud Dry to expand her horizons, a natural first step
is Sam Adams.   Also where I come from, Anchor Steam is about $7.50 a
six versus about $5.79 for Sam Adams.  For someone trying to improve
on the Bud products, sticker shock can be a factor.

What I like about Sam Adams: there's an incredible balance to it.

Cheers.

Jim
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: emeeks@ncsu.edu (Edward Meeks)
Subject: Has Old Heidelburg closed?
Originator: emeeks@hamby.tx.ncsu.edu
Organization: North Carolina State University Computing Center
Distribution: nc
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:08:40 GMT

Hi all,

While perusing the back page of the N&O's business section this morning,
I came across this snippet under "business doings":

	Sam Rawls has leased the former Old Heidelburg Restaurant in
Durham and reopened in as The French Quarter. The lease was handled by
Jack Kimball and Kimball & Co. Restaurant Services Co. in Raleigh.

What gives? Has the Triangle lost half of its brewpubs?

--Ed
From: brown@odin.ins.cwru.edu (Dan Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Distinguishing tastes in beer...
Date: 24 Nov 1992 04:29:08 GMT
Organization: Subversive Student Publications un-inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: odin.ins.cwru.edu

In an earlier posting hardy@ug.cs.dal.ca (S.Hardy) writes:
> This may sound utterly ignorant and naive, but I can't tell the difference
>in tastes of ANY beer...they're all the same to me. Is there some particular
>method people use to distinguish the different tastes in various brands of
>beer, or am I just genetically misendowed with tastebuds that don't work? :)

Try first differing between different styles of beer, rather than different
brands of the same style. 

EG, Guinness is going to taste lots different than Molson, whereas 
Molson doesn't taste _that_ much different than Labatts. 

-- 
Dan Brown	
brown@ins.cwru.edu
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: fugate@mayo.edu (Richard D. Fugate)
Subject: Dry yeast -Vs- Liquid yeast	
Reply-To: fugate@mayo.edu (Richard D. Fugate)
Organization: Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN. Campus
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 22:37:15 GMT

What is the benefit of using liquid yeast as compared to dry yeast?  Any home 
brew experts with opinions?
Thanks
Richard Fugate
Fugate@mayo.edu
From: wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Sam Adams suing someone?
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:12:03 GMT
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu

In article <BxzGsI.n46@nic.umass.edu> danco@titan.ucc.umass.edu (DANIEL F COHEN) writes:
|
|Can we try that one again?  Sam Adams does indeed have a brewery in Boston
|(tour cheap and highly recommended).  I haven't heard about any lawsuit, but 
|how does SA think it has any sort of claim on the name 'Boston'?
|
Samuel Adams charges for their brewery tour?  What a crock.

I have toured Yuengling, Stoudt's and Coors and none of them 
charged for the tour.  The next brewery's on my list (to tour)
are Celis, Lone Star and Shiner.  I guess I'll have to tour one
of those A-B plants one of these days, too.

Rick
From: jball@unixg.ubc.ca (Joe E Ball)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Do these brews still exist...?
Date: 17 Nov 92 02:02:41 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

Michael Colburn inquired about the continued existance of a whack of beers
from some southern place.  I don't know about today, but Blatz was
available in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, at the Liquor Commissions, at
least as of a few years back.  We used to buy it for a change, because it
was cheap - almost as cheap as domestics, about five dollars a six.  That
was about what, five years ago?  over and out.
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: hosryan@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (STEPHAN RYAN)
Subject: Anyone fance an ale?
Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University 
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 09:34:24 GMT

Hmmm, I've got a few cold V.B.'s  in my fridge upstairs! Anyone want to join 
me?  (My shout!!!0
From: machman@stein.u.washington.edu (The Machman)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Bud
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:51:20 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

hg2001@mailserver.bgsu.edu (Heather) writes:

>Doesn't anyone like Bud anymore??  My personal fave is Bud Dry.
>
>Heather

Did anyone ever like Bud?  Or were we just being hypnotized by
relentless "beer" ads.  Bud Dry is fine if you don't care whatever
is getting you drunk tastes like.  It's remarkably inefficient as
such an agent, though.  Try tequila instead.

If you enjoy beer for its taste, however, the idea of drinking
Bud Dry is laughable.  

						-- dave

-- 
 /'''   The Machman        machman@u.washington.edu        david c carroll
 c-OO                                                                      
    \                     "Big Science.  Hallelujah"
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From: cst@bork.nist.gov (Charles S. Tarrio)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Good English Ales (and What's happened to...?)
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:09:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.223823.20771@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>  
Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn) writes:
> Bass has been one of my favorite beverages for quite sometime now...I
> also enjoy Newcastle's Brown Ale and recently introduced myself to the
> pleasure of drinking Double Diamond...(I was interested to note that
> DD, like Bass, is brewed in Burton-on-Trent).  Can any of you in
> net/beer land recommend any other like ales?
> 
> Mike Colburn                         =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> Dartmouth-Hitchcock                  "Pulu-see-ba-goomba" -- Gilligan 
> Medical Center                       =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> Lebanon, New Hampshire  03756        :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-)

You might want to try:

Whitbread, Belhaven, Fuller's (London Pride or ESB), Young's (Ramrod or
London Bitter), Sam Smith's (Pale Ale or Nut Brown Ale).

Speaking of good English Ales, there are two that I haven't been able
to find for 10 years now:  Vaux Double Maxim, a nice, sweet, smooth
brown ale; and Old Bedford, a strong ale that came in 10 oz. 
widemouths.  Anybody know if these can be found in the Mid-Atlantic
or Northeast?

__________________
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From: davet@uk.sun.com (Dave Tong - Sun UK - Tech Support)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Belhaven
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:06:24 GMT
Reply-To: davet@uk.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems Ltd.

Belhaven Brewery has had more than its fair share of problems over the years -
it's been passed from holding company to holding company so many times it's
untrue. I think I'm right in saying it's currently back under the banner of
Nazmu Virani and his Control Securities outfit (but I've been wrong before)

Cask Belhaven is rare in England. The company has bought several pubs recently,
but I don't so far know of a single one that sells cask Belhaven (though they may
sell other cask ales).

Last time I was in the USA was 1988, in the Washington DC area.
You could get Belhaven if you tried - Gourmet Giant carried it.
From: goddard@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bart E. Goddard)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Colorado Civil Rights - Listen up!
Date: 17 Nov 1992 19:36:49 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: goddard@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bart E. Goddard)
NNTP-Posting-Host: o231-30.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <serb.158@polisci.umn.edu> serb@polisci.umn.edu (Scott Erb)  
writes:
> How can asking people to educate themselves (not get re-educated by  
>someone, please note) be considered closed minded or ill-informed?   
>The >trouble is,  intolerance IS what led to Hitler, the KKK,  
>McCarthy, etc.  If intolerance
 
No, just the opposite, it was led to by *tolerance* of the existance of  
Nazi's and Klansmen.  THE POINT IS THAT _TOLERANCE_ IS JUST A CATCHWORD  
AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ARGUMENT.

> is allowed to grow and spread, it could lead there again.  I can't  
>see how 
> that statement could be called closed-minded and ill-informed.  

Because it advocates speach (and thought) control (duh!), which is 
certainly closed minded, and assumes that any counter to the gay
rights movement is based on fear/hate of differences, which is the
ill-informed part.

> of yours sounds like Orwellian doublespeak 
MINE? (sheesh!)

>Also, calling another argument "drivel" -- whether the argument 
> is good or bad -- seems to be just as demeaning as you call the other 
> poster.  Really, your post seemed very confusing and ill-thought out.

Granted, if it were an argument at all.  It wasn't, it was just 
name calling, which is drivel.

Please use e-mail.

Bart
From: ccb@macbeth.umd.edu (Blake Sobiloff)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Pete's Wicked Ware!
Date: 20 Nov 92 02:08:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

Howdy all,
	I just got a fun catalog in the mail today and thought I'd share
it with you. It's a collection of Pete's Wicked Ale merchandise, including
shirts (no Millie, but there's the current label and an oval label I've
never seen before), sweats, liter steins, hats, party cups, pint
glasses, duffel bags, keychains, buttons, bar towels, mirrors, and more.
Call them at (800) 382-7457 if you'd like a copy of the catalog, or
FAX them at (415) 390-0798.

(I have no connection with the company, and I'm only doing this
because people have wanted to find out this information in the
past and (to my knowledge) were unsuccessful. Nya!)

"To say someone is 'entitled' to some- | Blake Sobiloff
thing is to say someone else is obli-  | <ccb@umd5.umd.edu>
gated to produce in his place. It is   | Laboratory for Automation Psychology
the civilian version of draft-dodging  | Department of Psychology
and leaving the sacrifices to others." | University of Maryland
                -Thomas Sowell         | College Park, MD  20742-4411
From: cnc@sweep.bt.co.uk (Colin Crist)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: The Best Beer
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:41:23 GMT
Reply-To: cnc@sweep.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom

In article 1du6fnINNq5e@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu, osullida@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Declan A. OSullivan) writes:
>> 
>> Forget Beer - Drink Guinness : No Beer ( spit, gag, retch ) Comes Near.
>> Anybody who drinks Theakston's Old Peculiar will end up functionally  
>illeterate
>> like our commentator.
>> 

If you find that Guinness outside Ireland the best beer then you're tastebuds are
culturally uneducated !

It's good in some pubs in England, however beyond that it loses all it's appeal
and is no longer that creamy drink of the gods we all come to know and love.

However, with a name like Declan, you should know this already !!!

Old Peculair is a good beer, however too many of them and your functions are impaired
in more than one way :-)

Colin
Newsgroups: alt.beer,rec.food.drink
From: marc@venus.clearpoint.com (Marc Washburn)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Winter Warmers are back!
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:04:48 GMT
Organization: Clearpoint Research Corporation

Its almost Winter and the first Winter Warmers are here...

1. Samual Adams ww -  Great Great taste...a little heavy on the alcohol content.

2. Harpoon Winter Lager - One of my favorite, definitly three thumbs up.

These are the first two i was able to get my hands on, if anybody has seen others, please post...

Marc Washburn
Marc@Clearpoint.com
Now i know why i like winter sooo much even though i hate the weather....
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:47:53 EST
From: <PBN101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: RE: EVILS

Mom, I told you not to embarass me like this in pulbic!!  And
since when did you start calling yourself Jason?

                                  Patrick


PS.  Send Money,, the cover charges at these bars are so expensive!
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: winkern@columbia.dsu.edu (NANCY MARIE WINKER)
Subject: Re: Please post 53 reasons why beer is better than womem
Keywords: 53 reasons
Organization: Dakota State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:11:51 GMT

Here is 24 of them that someone sent me the other day:

:)         WHY BEER IS BETTER THAN WOMEN
:) 
:)  1. You can enjoy beer all month long.
:)  2. Beer stains wash out.
:)  3. You don't have to wine and dine beer.
:)  4. Your beer will always wait patiently for you in the car
:)         while you go play hockey.
:)  5. When your beer goes flat you toss it.
:)  6. Beer is never late.
:)  7. Hangovers go away.
:)  8. A beer doesn't get jealous when you grab another beer.
:)  9. Beer labels come off without a fight.
:) 10. When you go to a bar you know you can
:)         always pick up a beer.
:) 11. Beer never had a headache.
:) 12. After you have had a beer the bottle is still worth 10c.
:) 13. A beer won't get upset if you come home and
:)         have beer on your breath.
:) 14. If you pour a beer right you'll always get good head.
:) 15. You can have more than one beer in a night
:)         and not feel guilty.
:) 16. A beer always goes down easy.
:) 17. You can share a beer with your friends.
:) 18. You always know you're the first one to pop a beer.
:) 19. A beer is always wet.
:) 20. Beer doesn't demand equality.
:) 21. You can have a beer in public.
:) 22. A beer doesn't care when you come.
:) 23. A frigid beer is a good beer.
:) 24. You don't have to wash a beer before it tastes good.
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: emeeks@unity.ncsu.edu (Edward Meeks)
Subject: Re: How about something new?
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:44:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.182049.27922@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jhoskins@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James M Hoskins) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.172741.12913@wam.umd.edu> zedaker@next02wor.wam.umd.edu (
>Pamela Marie Weller) writes:
>
>>How about something new?  I can't think of anything off hand to say but I
>>have seen the same subjects for the past two weeks.  New Posts Anyone?
>>
>
>Well, being something of a new reader myself, I am interested in how
>much beer a beer lover drinks.  Perhaps this is an old topic.  I
>heard that the Puritans of New England, United States, some 300 years
>ago drank about 4-5 quarts of ale per day.  Are any modern quaffers
>living up to this tradition?

Yes, I have been drinking that much a day for the past 300 years. "How?"
one might ask. Easy, I've been pickled all these years.  :)

--Ed

Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: jbunn@seanews.akita.com (John E Bunn)
Subject: Re: What to drink in Chicago
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News + Mail
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:45:24 GMT

joe@trdlnk.uucp (Joe Panfil) writes:

> Baderbrau. Brewed in Elmhurst, Illinois. Expensive but good.

By all means swill the Baderbrau.  Also go to Cicero/Berwin and look
up the Wineskeller.  It serves mostly German fare, has an impressive 
collection of bottled beers, an attached liquor store with more beers to
go an a nice little brewery operation...  We called for two kegs for a 
party one time, and by the next day when we called for them they forgot.
They drug the brewmaster out of the shower and back to the bar where 
he filled the two kegs from the 500 gallon serving tanks.  Talk about
fresh beer...  The next morning when we went back to the kegs for a cold
one we only had one 12 oz glass in each barrel.  (Not bad for a small 
party).  Also not bad because most of those people were beer virgins,
who only know Coorbudmilob.  One guest said "Gee I never knew beer had
this much taste..."
 
Cheers!  Heinrich the Bierhund

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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: bno@postman.hsn.no (BRGE NORDHEI)
Subject: Norwegian beers ( nok en gang)
Organization: Nordland College
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:35:05 GMT

To jrn!
	No, I don't think I know anybody with the name Lars Holand, but 
there is a possibility that I've heard the name before. What does he do, 
normally? How old is he? 19? 
		Brge...
PS: The cause you don't like NORDLANDSPILS gotta be, as you said, hangover 
reasons. I can't find another logical explanation. 
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: hughes@swine.cs.uiuc.edu (Eric Hughes)
Subject: Re: special export
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:24:05 GMT

Old Smyle has always had certain unpleasant effects on my digestive
system.  However, Special Ex is nice (and on sale here now  8=> )

Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: srs9@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Stephen R Stewart)
Subject: Columbia Beer
Reply-To: srs9@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Stephen R Stewart)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:54:28 GMT

I'm a student at Columbia University and I've heard that G. Heileman used too 
brew a beer called Columbia. Does anyone know if this beer is still available,
and if so where? I'm sure it's the same as all the other G. Heileman brews like
Black Label and Schmidt, but I'd love to find some just for novelty's sake. 
Or do any of you guys who have those huge can collections in your basement
have any Columbia cans?

Thanx,

Steve Stewart
srs9@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu

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* Steve Stewart                        *   In Xanadu did Kubla Khan           *
* srs9@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu          *   a stately pleasure-dome decree...  *
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: zedaker@next01wor.wam.umd.edu (Pamela Marie Weller)
Subject: "RE:colorado civil rights-listen up!", etc.  etc....
Keywords: AAAAAHHHHGGGG!!!!!!!
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:17:51 GMT

All of this started when some idiot posted something that does not belong  
on alt.beer!!!!

AAAAAHHHGGGGG!!!!   GO AWAY  GO AWAY   !!!!!
From: davet@uk.sun.com (Dave Tong - Sun UK - Tech Support)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Good English Ales (and What's happened
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:59:22 GMT
Reply-To: davet@uk.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems Ltd.

Vaux Double Maxim is still going strong in Britain.
I for one have never heard of Old Bedford. Who brewed it?