HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: blume@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Blume)
Subject: Re: William Burroughs and Total Recall
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:05:02

>>>>> On 5 Apr 92 19:36:36 GMT, DLOWE@UA1VM.UA.EDU (David Lowe) said:


>     In 1953 William Burroughs traveled in South America in search
>of the hallucinogen _yage_, which was used in certain Native
>American rituals.  Burroughs described his expedition in a series
>of letters to Allen Ginsberg that were first published by City
>Lights Books in 1963 under the title _The Yage Letters_.  The book
>remained in print for quite some time and was widely read and
>discussed in the drug culture.  We all know what an active part
>Philip Dick played in that culture.
>      The letters intermix straightforward accounts of what
> Burroughs saw and did with brief fictional scenarios that Burroughs
> called _routines_.  On page 6 of the 1975 printing, Burroughs
> wrote:
>      Another routine: A man who manufactures memories to order.
>      Any kind you want and he guarantees you'll believe they
>      happened just that way...A line from the Japanese Sandman
>      provides themesong of story, "Just an old second-hand man
>      trading new dreams for old."  Ah what the Hell!  Give it to
>      Truman Capote.

>      This, of course, is exactly the service offered by the travel
> agency in _We Can Remember it for You Wholesale_, upon which _Total
> Recall_ was based.  None of the reading I have done on Dick discuss
> Burroughs in connection to the story, and this could simply be
> coincidence.  Are there any PKheads out there in the matrix who
> know if Dick ever mentioned Burroughs as an inspiration?

I think that _We Can Remember it for You Wholesale_ was published before _The
Yage Letters_, although I can't back that up right now.  Even if this isn't
true, I believe that similarity between Dick's story and Burroughs' routine is
completely coincidental.  A recurring theme in PKD's stories is "what is real?"
In many of his books, the "real world" is illusionary and what is initially
assumed to be unreal and false (e.g. insanity or hallucinations) turns out to
be correct.  This theme can easily be seen in _We Can Remember it for You
Wholesale_, where the implanted false memories turn out to be true.

Bill
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From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Star Wars canon stuff. Stop it please
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:29:26 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <1992Apr5.003649.8411@u.washington.edu>, by wiml@milton.u.washington.edu (William Lewis):
> at one point, and is now younger than Luke. (How do I know? Well,
> I found these old letters in my attic ... seems Leia's highschool
> boyfriend knew my great^n-aunt ... or something. _Trust_ me!)

If those letters are not stamped "canon", then it's a fairly safe
guess they'll turn out to be fakes.
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University of Technology Vienna                 vexpert!mst@uunet.uu.net
Paniglg. 16, A-1040 Vienna, Austria             ...mcsun!vexpert!mst
From: duelge@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Jason Duelge)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Jennifer Connelly (is this really r.a.sf.m???)
Keywords: Jennifer Connelly
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:59:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: schaefer.1992Apr7.185934.3078
Reply-To: duelge@schaefer.UUCP (Jason Duelge)
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics

I like JC as much as the next guy, but when i find 9
articles to read in r.a.sf.m, and EIGHT of them are
about whether JC showed flesh in this or that movie,
i start to scratch my head.  Enough already!!!

Jason

ps  Did she appear in a movie called 'Seven minutes in
Heaven' or something like that.  :)
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From: sdt8s@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Stephen Daniel Tilson)
Subject: Re: Terminator, what book?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 03:25:10 GMT

boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com  writes:
> In article <1992Apr9.102543.14074@daimi.aau.dk>, daffy@daimi.aau.dk (Per Posselt Munck) writes...
> 
> } It has been mentioned a few times that Terminator is based on a book.
> 
> If it has been mentioned, then those people who have mentioned it are wrong.
> THE TERMINATOR is not based on any book. There are novelizations of the
> screenplays to both movies (in fact, there are two different novelizations
> of the first movie -- one published in the US and one in Britain), and the
> screenplay for T2 has been published in book form, but that's it.
> 
> The original TERMINATOR story was heavily influenced by two episodes of the
> 60's TV series THE OUTER LIMITS written by Harlan Ellison, though: "Soldier"
> and "Demon With a Glass Hand".
> 
> (I'm being kind when I say "heavily influenced". They are close enough that
> Ellison would probably have won the plagiarism suit he filed, if the studio
> hadn't settled with him out of court.)
> 
> -- 
> 
> 	"Buster, this trip downriver has been truly special.
> 	 Downright Twainian in a Hitchcockian sort of way."
> 
> 
> --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)
> 
>     boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com
Regarding the Harlan Ellison angle, it's interesting to note
that some versions of the T1 video have an extra final credit:
"With acknowledgment to the works of Harlan Ellison." On one
tape I saw years ago, this title had obviously been added after
the other titles, as it was of a somewhat different typeface
and "jiggled" (the best word I can think of to describe it) as
it scrolled up the screen. 

Maybe Harlan Ellison came close to taking action, but didn't
follow through. Or maybe Hemdale or HBO Home Video realized
they were opening themselves up to a messy legal situation.
Does anyone know anything else about this?

Steve
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the risk successfully until no enemies are left: and then you will become
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From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Star Wars canon stuff. Stop it please
Date: 3 Apr 92 11:17:20 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <mwttddh@rpi.edu>, by cleggp@aix.rpi.edu (Paul Jason Clegg):
>>In article <1992Mar31.154954.8803@cs.rose-hulman.edu> mortoncp@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Christopher P Morton) writes:
>>>I'm all in favor of that.  However, do we consider "Heir to the Empire"  

> Why don't we classify it, then, as "canon until proven guilty"?

I think the more useful method would be to treat it as a dangerous
disease, put it in quarantine, and quietly forget it.

(Note: I did not use that "c****" word)

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University of Technology Vienna                 vexpert!mst@uunet.uu.net
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From: cleggp@aix.rpi.edu (Paul Jason Clegg)
Subject: Re: Mistake at beginning of T2
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:05:36 GMT

In article <VZJTiB2w164w@miracle.com> jess%miracle@merk.com (Shi'nayne) writes:
>
>It is also mentioned in the first movie, I believe, that the time travel
>machine was destroyed after Reese came through it.  So another one must
>have been built that would allow non-organic material through it???

Yeah, I remember that, but didn't we find out that in T2, the human rebels
weren't able to destroy it, and the computer sent T1000 through, and then
the humans got it back, and sent the reporgrammed T800 (Arnie) thru?

...Paul

|FQT 1.10| Jesus saves sinners and redeems them for valuable prizes.

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From: awalsh@mta.ca (Andrew Walsh)
Subject: Re: The Blood Of Heroes
Reply-To: awalsh@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:08:37 GMT

I saw it in surround at a friend's house. The coolest part by
far was when the chainman would spin the chain around and it
actually WENT AROUND in surround. Way cool. Great idea for a sport
too. No need to replace Monday Night Football though, but have it
with an Arenaball game. What a doubleheader!!

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From: gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...)
Subject: Re: Ending of ALIENS...
Organization: Ursa Minor Beta, 402-476-8047 @ 2400
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 01:35:11 GMT

fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson) writes:

>First off I don't think the company could have programmed
>a NAVY (Marine corps) ship to do something not in the orders.
>I get the impression from the book and movie that "Bug Hunts"
>are a somewhat common occurrance in the Colonial Marines.

They are using the term "bug hunt" in the sense of computers and other
electronics.  "Is this going to be a stand-up fight [battle], sir, or
another bug hunt [debugging]?"  It is quite possible that Hudson didn't
know what a "xenomorph" was.

>It is possible that the queen had one "Stuck" to her after
>breaking free from the egg sack.

It also is not impossible that the queen could have laid a new one
during the time that she was hiding in the dropship.  The "egg tube" may
have just been a device to allow placement of the eggs, and not part of
the whole reproductive process of the queen.  They are aliens, after
all.

>Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063
>Internet: fist@iscp.belcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist  

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From: grieb@girtab.usc.edu (Charles Grieb)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Beyond the Rising Moon ? (low budget movie)
Date: 13 Apr 1992 22:54:40 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu

Beyond the Rising Moon.

Has anybody heard of this movie?  It was very low budget, and produced
about 85-87.  I met the group shooting this, in Virginia (?) at the
Atlanta World SF Con.  They did a presentation of what they had
done before (some very impressive local ads for radio stations
and shoe stores) and they showed a lot of slides from the film.
All of the slides were of effects, they were primarily doing
large scale models and in-camera effects.  They looked extremely
professional.  The few slides of live action did not promise much,
however, and the lack of any actual film was disturbing.  They said
they were shooting in 16mm.  At the time the movie had a different
title, a single word (the name of the main character) that I forgot.

I would not have thought much about it except in about 89 what was
obviously the same movie showed up in an article in American Cinematographer,
but with the new title "Beyond the Rising Moon".  The article was
about shooting effects on a very low budget.  I then subsequently
found it listed in one of the video review books under that title,
the review did not like it.  Despite that, I would like to see it.
But I cannot find it anywhere and it is not in any video catalog!

All I know of the plot is the main character is a woman who is an
android or something and the discovery of an alien ship (a big
sphere with spikes like a sea urchin) by a big evil corporation.

Anybody know anything else about it?

Bill Spitzak
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From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: The Culkinator!  Re: Batman vs. Spiderman
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 01:54:49 GMT

In article <2186@transfer.stratus.com> jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com writes:
>
>Ah, but that's a minor problem compared to the far more 
>interesting matchup: if Dennis the Menace squared off against
>Calvin, who would win?

What about both Dennis and Calvin vs. the Macauley Culkinator?!
Talk about violent!
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Stupid Threads
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:54:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


     This newsgroup has really sucked lately.  
     Could we start talking about something better than "I Think That
     Batman Could Beat Up Superman Could Beat Up Universe Man, In
     Charge of the Entire Universe Man..." ??  Come on.

     The StarWars speculation was going for a while - good, intelligent
     speculation about What Comes Next.  Now?  It's degenerated into the
     worst kind of nitpicking flame-counterflame discussions.  

     I'm not trying to tell anyone NOT to post what they want.  But
     check out the dir for this newsgroup in the last two weeks.
     "T2 - Why Didn't Sara Die?" "T2 -  Mistake at the Ending" 
     "Tightsman vs Capeman who would win?" "Star Wars Canon Stuff -
      FLAMES!!!"  That's it.  

     I know I'm gonna get flamed for this but I don't care.  Maybe it
     will generate some REAL discussion - not the vindictive adolescent
     crap currently calling rec.arts.sf.movies "home."

     If you agree with me, SPEAK UP.  I don't wanna be the only one
     to get flamed, and maybe we can CHANGE SOMETHING. 


          ^Scott Gorcey, v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu^
From: stoen@cs.widener.edu (Terrence Stoen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Death Star vs. The Sivar (From WC I, SM 1)
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:58:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Widener University Department of Computer Science, Chester PA
NNTP-Posting-Host: marge.cs.widener.edu

Read the title, go figure!

-- 
You will die, slowly- DURASSSSSSS-
-Gowron from Reunion.
From: William.L.Fink@UM.CC.UMICH.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: SF-LOVERS Digest   V17 #164
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:53:46 GMT

del
mess send to Kristen_precht
Whats the story?  I thought that EEOB was meeting tomorrow
at 2.  Should be no problem, except that I'll be late to taht
one because of the Exec. Comm.
From: kim3@husc10.harvard.edu (Jason Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: T-1000 vs. The Blob?
Date: 12 Apr 92 06:50:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr12.025010.10981
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <92101.174932TJS107@psuvm.psu.edu> TJS107@psuvm.psu.edu (Sime) writes:
>In article <8r5tqt=@rpi.edu>, cleggp@aix.rpi.edu (Paul Jason Clegg) says:
>>
>(Gosh I hate threads like these...)

I used to, but I think they're great now.

>Seriously, they are getting a bit away from the movie concept.
>Perhaps there should be an alt.who.would.win group???

Now *there* is an idea!! I second that motion!

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Jason Y. Kim                        |             "It is very cold in space."
kim3@husc9.harvard.edu              |                                  --Khan
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From: iluvls@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (James E Parks)
Subject: BATMAN v.s. NIRVANA
Originator: iluvls@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 18:29:20 GMT

I just wanted an opinion, if Batman were to get in a 'rumble' with Nirvana,
who would win. Remember, kurt can swing that guitar pretty hard.
		     JAmes

		      P.S. This is to the people who flamed me when 
		      I talked about stupid arguments on rn. Note the
		      heavy sarcasm in the above posting.
From: deb@loni.ucla.edu (Debjoti Sensharma)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Aliens Uncut Question
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:21:41 GMT
Organization: UCLA Laboratory of Neuroimaging

In article <92101.143746TAB129@psuvm.psu.edu> TAB129@psuvm.psu.edu (Todd Alan Bobenrieth) writes:

>I recently saw the uncut version of Aliens and noticed that at the end it
>didn't show the egg opening that I heard about. Is it true that an egg did
>that at the end or did I hear wrong? Any word on this would ease my mind
>about it. Anyway, if Aliens was an A+ movie without the other footage,
>it must get a new rating that goes beyond A+ completely intact.
>Just my two cents worth.

Yes it does sound like an egg opening. I dunno if it was in the original 
release or not.  The director's cut is superb.

Debjoti
From: pgf@usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Could Batman beat the T-1000?
Keywords: Buford, pass me that extra straightjacket
Date: 11 Apr 92 18:58:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: srl05.pgf.703018690
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana

egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:

>In article <1992Apr9.000948.19138@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@isis.cs.du.edu (andy) writes:
>>
>>Ob. sci-fi:
>>Who would win:  Darth Vader or the alien guy in the Bugs Bunny cartoons?

>Why, the Martian, of course!  He's got that disintergrating gun, after
>all!

Personally I think Servalan would beat all of them... in fact they're
both probably clones she had made for some devious plot...

--
Phil Fraering pgf@nasa12.usl.edu 318/365-5418
"How about a dragon that breathes neutrons instead of fire?  Kills the
elves, leaves the buildings intact..." - Nick Szabo
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From: fal20643@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Capt. Frank A. Lauro)
Subject: Re: Batman vs. your mother
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:25:09 GMT

All things considered, my mother would kick Batman's ass.  =)
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From: kim3@husc10.harvard.edu (Jason Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Could Batman beat the T-1000?
Date: 12 Apr 92 06:35:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr12.023558.10980
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <204681@unix.cis.pitt.edu> seawasp+@pitt.edu (Ryk E Spoor) writes:
>In article <kw4th##@rpi.edu> cleggp@aix.rpi.edu (Paul Jason Clegg) writes:
>>In article <19944@castle.ed.ac.uk> asr@castle.ed.ac.uk (Angus "Fluffy" Rae) writes:
>>>>In article <1992Apr9.005014.22428@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>, egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes...
>>>"Oh goody! My Illidium Pew-36 Explosive Space Modulator"
>
>>Minor Point:  I think it was "Plutonium Pu-238 Explosive Space Modulator".
>
>	Nope. _Alludium *Q*-36 Explosive Space Modulator_.

This is exactly what I hear.
>
>>How about Robocop vs. Batman?  Both are heros/vigilantes...
>
>	Batman. Robo, tough as he is, has no imagination compared to Bats.
>Batman would glitch him up 72 different ways.
>
I agree here too. Jeez, even Clarence Boddicker managed to trash Robo.
And that little dweeb in the second movie did it even worse!

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From: ottoh3@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM (Otto Heuer #3)
Subject: [Star Wars] Ages (was Star Wars canon stuff
To: rec.arts.sf.movies
Posted-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 17: 52:00 cst
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:52:00 GMT
Received-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 18: 50:49 CDT


Richard Mulac writes:

> someone stated how SW has Luke being 20
> years old and Leia being 18 years old.  In ROTJ Luke and Leia are twins
> born at the same time.

Simple.

Leia had to spend two years dead for tax purposes.

(ducks bricks)

		--Otto "HACK-MAN" Heuer
From: jwelnak@xraylith.wisc.edu (John Welnak)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Star Wars canon stuff. Stop it please
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:28:36 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Center for X-ray Lithography, UW-Madison

In article <92104.231728ACPS0685@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> ACPS0685@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca (SCOLENO) writes:
>
>Anyhow one of the most interesting speculations, IMHO, had
>Han Solo being *THE OTHER*.  The person's reasoning was that
>Han was an illegitimate son of Vader's, and Luke's half-brother.
>Han never knew who his parents were, of course (Lucas once said
>something about Han being abandoned by space gypsies as a child...
>don't remember where I read it though).
>And although Han, already in his late 20's or early 30's, would be too old to
>become a Jedi, his children might be strongly gifted with the Force.
>Yoda said there was another HOPE, not another JEDI. (I'm pretty sure this
>last line is an exact quote from the article).

i could be wrong, but i was under the impression that leia was the HOPE.
i've heard that the trilogy after sw is supposed to be about her adventures
or whatever and the trilogy before sw is supposed to be about obi wan and
vader.

just my $0.02 worth.

(sorry if this has been discussed to death, just subscribed to this newsgroup)


>
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From: napalm@next04cville.wam.umd.edu (Warren L. Mohn)
Subject: Re: T2 is *so* full of holes - Here's another one!
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 10:17:05 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.051054.14813@neptune.inf.ethz.ch>  
qvortrup@inf.ethz.ch (Michael Qvortrup) writes:
> And here is yet one more. (Even though Slartibartfasts one was refuted).
> 
> Remember the scene at the lab, where the police is making ready to  
attack
> the house, and Arnold is at the window firing the rather heavy machine  
gun?
> 
> Take a *good* look at the ammunition belt of the gun. This is a rapid  
fire
> gun. Now, oughtn't the belt move when the gun is fired? Thought so. Then
> why doesn't it?
> 

It doesn't move because that is not the actual ammunition. This mini-gun,  
(and M-134, I believe) and most other mini-guns, has a kind of ammunition  
casing.  What you see is this casing and the ammunition is moving up  
inside of it into the chamber.  If you took that casing away, you would  
see the bullets moving.