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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Termcaps (was: Comm question)
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:12:59 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

rgt@kepler.unh.edu (Richard G Tomasso) writes:

>Anyway, my reason for posting this is that we just covered termcaps in my
>advanced systems programming class...
>Was there a trade-off made because of incompatibilities(sp) b/t termcaps, or
>was it just an oversight, or what? Will it be changed for 2.0? Will the ENTIRE
>termcap entry for the various terminals be included, or just an abbreviated/
>most-common-features list be used?

Take a look at system/termcap/vt100.tc, it lists the codes GeoComm equates 
with various functions.  There are about 54 functions GeoComm can relate to,
and some of them are not implemented in the vt100 emulation.

I think the semicolon-for-comment bit was just put in 'cos of GEOS being coded
in assembly (they use the ; to denote a comment, last time I checked), without
much thought to its use in termcap files.  I think it was an oversight.

Since there's not a whole heck of a lot that can be done in the way of hacking
GeoComm to deal with the semicolons more effectively, I've started looking at
the idea of finding (or writing) a unix termcap entry for a terminal, real or
mythical, that supported a decent range of features WITHOUT using those pesky
semicolons, and then hacking one of the less-used termcap (.tc) files in
GeoComm (since it won't accept any extra terminal types) to equal _that_ type
of terminal.  A bit of work, yes.  But it's at least theoretically feasible,
and might be a good solution to the bug.

-Shag

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From: hernani chaves <HERNANI%BRUERJ.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: No subject entered
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:36:21 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us

subscribe pcgeos-list Hernani A.F. Chaves
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: "Bruce A. Moon" <bmoon@eis.CalState.EDU>
Subject: Re: PC/GEOS posters
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:36:49 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us

I noticed my name is listed under about 4 permutations: Bruce Moon, .ruce
Moon, druce Moon. My e-mail address is correct; however, I have noticed
some messages are "echoing". Could this be the reason? ( I don't notice
any echoes in today's postings).
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: millerm@uwwvax.uww.edu
Subject: Re: My PCGEOS Christmas list
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:36:01 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us

  Ah, time to add something to the Christmas list...........

  The IMAGE importer should have more formats than PCX, EPS, TIFF.  AMI PRO
has a nice little installation tool that let's you pick which formats you want
to support.  Then you pick by using a scroll box in the program what type to
look at / suck in.

  And secondly, an installation program which allows you to pick what you want
installed.  I know people like Solitaire but I have seen SO MANY OF THOSE games,I really don't want to waste the harddrive space or even see it in the Express
menu.  Again, the AMI PRO installation is really nice in that regard.

  Whys?  I use a lot of GIF, WPG images and it would nice to bring those in.
Also, I hate to go thru the installation and then go thru numerous directories
deleting files; Solitaire, etc., still shows up in the Express menu of course.

No flames...just wishes.  And NO I don't want anyone to go work on these.  I
would rather have 2.0 out the door.............           Regards, M&M's
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: zagar@chester.cms.udel.edu (Randy [Java Man] Zagar)
Subject: Re: Future of geoworks
Reply-To: zagar@chester.cms.udel.edu
Organization: Marine Studies, University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:30:23 GMT

In terms of the future of GeoWorks, I think a grass-roots campaign is in order.
A dirt-cheap way to get people to use GeoWorks is to put together some dirt-cheap
8086 (or 80286) machines and create a graphical BBS shell somewhat akin to what
Compu$erve has done with it's CIM application.  If you get a couple of good-sized
BBS's to support this with you, and if the machines are cheap enough then just about
everybody can get one and start doing BBS-type things.  Then once they have the
machine (and the GeoWorks environment) They'll want to do other things with it...

In summary:

   We need to provide a justification for people to use GeoWorks.  A really
cheap GeoWorks box and the software needed to hook into a good BBS should be
a good enough reason.  Internet-for-the-Masses is just starting to pick up
steam, and we just need to supply the cheapest-and-best way to let people
hook up.

Just my $0.02 worth,

  -Randy


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| Internet: zagar@Chester.CMS.UDel.Edu        between seeing something and   |
| Bell-net: 302/831-1139                      knowing what to do about it.   |
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Developing (was re: new apps)
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:47:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.024230.16592@sfu.ca> mtichy@fraser.sfu.ca (Martin
Tichy) writes:
[...]
>I guess I'm in between the dream and normal work target.
>
[... Description of cool system deleted to protect the innocent...]
>
>hee hee hee.  I'm not bragging.

Gee, I think this modern age has produced a new Freudian category:
	Machine Envy

:-),
	John



Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Memory available to GEOS
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:14:24 GMT

In article <Bz9Aqw.7JC@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> xmas@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mark A. Stevens) writes:
[...]
>Well, I'm not too happy at the moment.  I bought a Bocaram/AT with 2M
>to be used as expanded (not extended) memory for my 286 clone
>(Packard-Bell), so I could improve the performance of pc/geos without a
>lot of money to upgrade.  I finally had to disable the thing because I
>was getting lock ups!  Now that I'm back to 640K, it doesn't lock up.
>(Thanks to all who helped me isolate this problem.)  Has anyone else
>had AT machines with expanded memory lock up or corrupt data stored in
>memory?  By-the-by, it passed it's memory test.

There are a great many memory boards out there on the market.
Unfortunately, often they are only tested quite cursorily for true
compatiblity by their makers (i.e. instead of making it 'right' they make
it 'good enough' (to run with major programs X, Y, Z, etc.)).  They may do
something just a little different or not at all.  For a parallel example, I
have an HP IIP printer and it always worked great with all of the software
that I used.  I started using GeoWorks Pro at home and it's famed printing
wasn't looking to good. I assumed that it was a bug in the printer driver.
Well after much testing, I finally got around to testing my computer's
serial port and found out the it was defective.  It turns out that all of
the other programs that I'd used to print with didn't push the flaky
hardware enough to expose the error.

>Now, what?  Does Geoworks have a place that I could call and ask, "Do you
>have problems with x and y running pc/geos?"  AOL and a call that got to
>a person at Geoworks helped me, but it seems that the problem is not very
>well documented.  I like pc/geos.  It's the only GUI my wife can use
>(take that Windows!) and my kids like it.  Should I try running as
>extended memory?  Thanks.

As always, the best place to ask is on AOL (there are a number of hardward
and software compatiblity issues groups).  You can also talk to GeoWorks
Customer Support.  GeoWorks tries to get weird hardware setups put together
in-house so that an engineer can figure out a work around or at least
enough information to say "This will never work because...".  In general,
this is a never ending battle due to the tremendous number of little
companies out there doing their own things.

Good luck,
	John
	johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU

P.S.	Standard employee disclaimers apply.
From: visbieda@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Christopher Bieda)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: True Type Fonts
Date: 16 Dec 92 02:46:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <9212151400.aa17312@pandora.sf.ca.us>, <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us> writes...

>Is there any way True Type fonts can be used in Geoworks ( either as is, or by
>use of a font conversion program)?

Yup.  Atech has a program that converts among most of the known PC-hosted
formats, including the Nimbus technology used by GeoWorks.  Can't recall the
name of the program, tho'.  Fontmonger is another converter that works with
TrueType, but I'm not sure Nimbus is a vlaid destination.
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: Lee Mazanec <R2LAM1@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU>
Subject: Re: getting off this list
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:36:49 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us

Signoff pcgeos-list
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From: mtichy@fraser.sfu.ca (Martin Tichy)
Subject: Re: Stuff to throw in 2.0
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:48:00 GMT

> Hmmm... I've been using "exit to DOS" for ages now, I even leave
> files open in the apps, and I haven't had problems.  Out of
> curiosity, why don't you like using that option?
> 
> -Shag
 
Well, I don't like it because it doesn't save settings for new stuff.
Sure if you set up the windows exactly the way you want and then exit
to dos you'll get the same thing when you load up again.  It does not
however let you have defaults.  If I were to open up another directory
window in overlapping mode it will default to the same annoying
window size. and covers a location on the desktop that I need to be
able to see.  It's a pain to have to resize and re-position a window
everytime you open a new one.
 
If you have a setup you like to use often and one day you exit to dos
when your setup has changed the next time you boot up you get the
changed setup not the setup you like.  I use a little thing I found
called save state or something.  It saves the state of the desktop.
So if you have one you like you can always restore it.


Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: fadickey@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU (Fred A Dickey)
Subject: Re: COOMMODORE GEOS/ PCGEOS
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:18:38 GMT

I would be very intterested in a Comodore GEOS <-> PC/GEOS conversion
program.  My housemate has a C-64 running GEOS and we would like to be
able to exchange fonts, docs, and other VM-files (like Geodraw files).  So
if someone finds a converter, please let me know where it is or what its
archive name is.

,^MrSpock^

Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: saucc00@DMI.USherb.CA (Dudy)
Subject: Launching DOS program
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke departement Math-Info
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:39:40 GMT

Hello all,

I'm trying to do something (up to now without success) that maybe one
of you has ever done.

I wanna be able to launch my unzip program by clicking on a zip file icon.

Up to now, I'm able to launch PKUNZIP by using a program called L_Maker
(by Steven Foster).  In my GEOS.INI file I assign the *.ZIP files to
PKUNZIP's proper token created by L_Maker but I can't figure out how
to specify a filename to PKUNZIP.  

here's a part of my geos.ini file to clarify all this:

	[fileManager]
	filenameTokens = {
	   *.ZIP       = "GCDa",0,"GCAL",0
	}

I did assign GCAL,0 to PkUnzip so when I click on a .ZIP file, it
launches pkunzip but it doesn't specify the .ZIP filename so I get
PkUnzip's help screen.

Am I missing something, 'cause I find it quite hard to do something that
seems quite simple.

Can somebody help me?

Thanx in advance...

Christian 
-- 
"Il y aura alors une grande detresse, telle qu'il n'y en a pas eu
depuis le commencement du monde jusqu'a ce jour..."
						   (Matt. XXIV, 21)
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Deleting stuff (was: My PCGEOS Christmas list)
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:11:58 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

millerm@uwwvax.uww.edu writes:

>Also, I hate to go thru the installation and then go thru numerous directories
>deleting files; Solitaire, etc., still shows up in the Express menu of course.

Sounds like you need to delete "token.db" and re-run Geos, causing it to look
real carefully and see which apps/games/etc it _really_ has.  After deleting
stuff I didn't want, adding stuff I did want, and moving Perf out of the
extras directory, I nuked "token.db" and re-started.  My "startup" menu looks
nothing like the stock one. :)

-shag

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From: HCLIMER%UTCVM.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (Harold Climer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: How do you use GEOS?  How would you like to use v2?
Date: 20 Dec 92 00:37:02 GMT
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us


              I am a student working on a Second B.S. in Mecahnical Engineering
Thermal Science. ( Fisrt B.S. Physics)
              I have used GEOS/GEOWORKS  since Version 1.0 came out for the
Commodore 64/128. I upgraded when the 128 Version came out,and still use
GEOS128 V. 2.0 from time to time if my PC is otherwise occupied
( ie transfering files from the schools IBM mainframe  etc.)
              I have used   GEOS/GEOWORKS mostly for writing reports for
Physics/Engineering. I have used GEOCALC,GEOWRITE,GEOPAINT.and GEOCHART to
do this on my 128. An since I obtained GEOWORKS PRO this semester I have used
it in a similar way.
                    I have not used GEOCOMM and do not intend to use it until
it is upgraded to include other transfer protocols such as ZMODEM and KERMIT;
also because at present I have only one COM port which I have to share between
my mouse and my modem.
                    Hopefully Version 2.0 will include a better version of
GEODRAW. At least as good a toolbox as the C128 v 2.0 has. ie Pixel Edit and
an eraser, fill icon,spray can icon etc. Until this time  IMHO is is good only
for rudimentary drawing. Also need ellipses.


                                            Harold Climer
                                            Physics Dept.
                                            U. Tennessee at Chattanooga
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: new geos apps
Summary: I'm offended!
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:54:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.225156.4429@crash> johnlee@crash.cts.com (John Wiley)
writes:
[...]
>In working with the first release products, I noted some minor glitches
>and annoyances.  My impression was that CS had some difficulty in
>working with the GW environment.  This raised the question in my mind
>of whether GW were witholding some OS info, in the way MicroSloth has
>recently been accused of doing.  The GW games are all uniformly slick
>and smooth in contrast to the first release CS set.  But then, the
>team at GW has been working with the 1.x development environment for
>considerably longer, I'd guess.

Ack!  I'm deeply offended at the implication that I (being a part of
GeoWorks and feeling personally responsible for it's actions (which may or
may not make sense :-)) have done anything like purposefully witholding
information from any ISV/partner/whatever.  Obviously, it can be difficult
for someone to develop with sketchy documentation (being that there was
little technical documentation at that time, etc.).  You have to remember
that it can take some people awhile to really get in the groove of
developing in a truly object oriented manner.  It's hard for some to
unlearn the years of habits/intuitions/etc. that they have worked so hard
to gain through experience developing for traditional systems.

Anyways, don't take this as a personal flame.  I'm just being bristly this
morning. :-)  I just wanted to make it clear to everyone that integrity is
a very important thing at GeoWorks.  It makes no (business, let alone moral
and/or ethical) sense to withold information.  For the system to thrive,
great application's/libraries/etc. must come from many people (there are
many reasons for this).  The only place where it doesn't make sense is if
you're trying to be a proprietary/monopolistic.  In this day and age of
'open systems' many companies play lip service to providing various levels
of 'openess' but still have a very definite desire to monopolize if given
any opportunity.  Eternal vigilance is required.  By all means, please, if
you think that GeoWorks is/was acting in any way which does not exhibit
exemplary qualities, let me know.  Understand that we're all just human and
make mistakes too.

Thanks,
	John
	johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU

P.S.	My *personal* opinions.  GeoWorks speaks for itself.

Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: Valo Roman <valo@cvt.stuba.cs>
Subject: Unsubscribe
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:36:35 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us

	Please, remove me from the pcgeos mailing list.
Thank you.

Roman Valo
UNIX System administrator
Slovak Technical University
Bratislava
Czechoslovakia

E-mail:valo@cvt.stuba.cs
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: How about ... part II
Reply-To: doug-taylor+@osu.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:01:36 GMT


Some more off-the-top-of-my-head ideas for third-party GEOS
developers:

How about a hypertext development/presentation system, except that
instead of just opening text when you click on something you can open
drawings, spreadsheets, databases, GeoComm sessions ...

How about a complete suite of TCP/IP utilities (assuming that v2.0
provides the necessary connectivity).  Things like tn3270, ftp (with
an optional GeoManager-like interface, of course), finger, ping,
rexec, and setclock.

How about client/front end for SyBase or some other high-end SQL
server.  This should have a robust script language and allow the
developer to paint screens, create hot buttons, etc.  (I realize that
this would be a pretty high-end app, but I'm dreaming here.)

-- 
   Doug Taylor                         |   Nothing real can be threatened.
   The Ohio State University           |   Nothing unreal exists.
   doug-taylor+@osu.edu                |            - A Course in Miracles
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Compliments to JDM
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:56:22 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell) writes:

>Well, to keep my head from swelling, I showed your message to a few people
>in the office and they all had a great time making fun of me... :-)  They
>also made a bunch of threats to tell the world what I'm really like. :-)

Tell the people in your office that we'd be more than happy to have them
_all_ on comp.os.msdos.pcgeos! ;)  All the way up to Brian D. himself. :)

-Shag

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From: Hilmar Bvhm <hilmar@hades.enet.dec.com>
Subject: pcgeos-list
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:35:52 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us

SIGNOFF PCGEOS-LIST
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: 2.0 wish list
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:31:51 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk Rocketeer) writes:

>     Rulers in GeoDraw.  I'm not particularly talented artistically,
>but I use MacDraw at work to good effect because of the rulers.  I can
>put things exactly where I want them, and make them exactly the size I
>need.  Rulers in Geodraw would make my home stuff easier.

There are some PD rulers (english and metric) and a protractor floating
around, I snagged them from FTP.  You might want to grab them.  I think
they're in the form of clip-art, so you can cut-and-paste them into a 
GeoDraw document whenever you need them, and move them around freely within 
the document.

-Shag

PS - they're on mir.eco.utexas.edu, /pub/geos/ecst/rulers.zip, and are
probably somewhere on the Simtel-20 mirror sites too.

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From: gnd@idaho.amdahl.com (Greg Darnell)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Subscribe
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:01:20 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corp., Rexburg, ID


In article <9212151359.aa17217@pandora.sf.ca.us>, someone writes:
> 
> subscribe pcgeos-list someone
> 

Give us a break, will ya!  Out of today's 15 articles at my site, 3 (20%!)
were subscribe or unsubscribe from the pc-geos list.  Not only that, 
those 3 were the only _incoming_ articles from pandora.  If you're
going to have a bidirectional gateway, set it up to filter out all the
crap first!  If you can't handle that, just forward the newsgroup
articles to the list unidirectionally - so far there has been more
noise than information coming from pandora.

Greg
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: cartnaj <cartnaj@eagle.safb.af.mil>
Subject: Subscription
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:36:15 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us

SUB PCGEOS-LIST CARTNAJ@EAGLE.SAFB.AF.MIL   JOSEPH CARTNAL