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From: v071rw4p@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (EMIL MARCUS)
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Subject: Re: Edberg Is In the Final
Date: 13 Sep 92 01:53:00 GMT
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     		* The Silent Swede did it again !


     In article <1992Sep13.005951.26131@mercury.cair.du.edu>, 
     	lbrahm@denver.cba.du.edu (Lans Brahmantyo) 	writes...

$ What a semifinal match today between Edberg and Chang. Edberg won it after  
$    trailing 3-0 in the final set.
$ Final score, I think, is: 6-7 7-5 7-6 4-6 6-4


     		* I dare call it "The Gentlemen Semifinal" - Michael and
     		     Stefan are among (if not) the most polite male tennis 
     		     player on the tour !
     		  Enjoyable to watch, but very, very tough and exhausting, 
     		     even more so mentally than physically !
     		  Two great champions !

     		  I wish I'd have watched their battle in Paris when Michael
     		     won his first Grand Slam title...

Emil 
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     Emil Marcus    V071RW4P@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu    MARCUS@acsu.buffalo.edu
     		
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From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Subject: Re: Chris Evert's picks
Reply-To: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin)
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 08:41:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.060300.5153@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung) writes:
> In article <1992Sep13.235142.10159@umr.edu> upul@ee.umr.edu (Upul Gunawardana) writes:
> >Well, whatever that is, during the Mazda coverage Chris Evert
> >did say that Seles and Edberg will win, and that is correct this time.
> 
> My point is that Evert *appears* to be very concerned about
> making the wrong picks and ended up picking at least four
> different people to win the women's title. She'd better be
> right in one of the picks. :-)

   I find it very tough to pick even when it comes down to two
people.  I thought Becker had the edge against Lendl, but who
would have figured that his serve would have fallen apart and
that he would be yelling at himself the whole time.  I thought
Edberg had the advantage over Lendl, but he barely beat him,
since he didn't serve so well.  I thought Sampras had an edge over
Edberg since he was playing pretty well, but I had an inkling
that Edberg might win because he would attack more than Sampras,
and that would be a completely different game than playing
Courier.  Still, Edberg lost rather handily to Sampras in the
ATP event in Cincinatti.   Of course, the whole time, I was
favoring the underdog.  I wanted Lendl over Becker and Edberg
and Edberg over Sampras.   

   I think it's safe to say that Edberg winning the tournament
was a little bit of a surprise.  True, he won the Volvo event,
but he lost to Sampras in Cincinatti, and he lost to Korda
at the Hamlet.  He also struggled through three five setters,
though his opponents played pretty well.  The key was that
he was able to come back from a break down each time, and that
had to give him confidence, and while he double faulted quite
a lot, his volley was still in top form, and playing Chang and
Lendl had to help in dealing with the pass.

   Oh, I forgot to mention other results.  Reneberg and whoever
his partner was won the men's doubles.  Woodforde and Provis
won the mixed.  Zvereva and partner won the women's doubles.
I think one of the three (women's doubles) had won three of
the four Grand Slam events this year.

   Also, Seles came pretty close to winning the Grand Slam this
year.  Imagine that.  Two women's Grand Slams in five or so
years.  I wonder if Monica can continue this or whether we
will see some new up-and-comer (maybe someone with a fantastic
serve and volley game  -- that would really be neat) from
the juniors will be the person.

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu

   
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From: lbrahm@denver.cba.du.edu (Lans Brahmantyo)
Subject: Edberg Is In the Final
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 00:59:51 GMT

What a semifinal match today between Edberg and Chang. Edberg won it after  
trailing 3-0 in the final set.

Final score, I think, is: 6-7 7-5 7-6 4-6 6-4

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From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
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Subject: Re: Carillo
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:31:17 GMT
Reply-To: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin)
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Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park

In article <1992Sep14.150154.20389@usl.edu>, tt@swamp.cacs.usl.edu (Thitipong Tanprasert) writes:
> I heard you folks once named Mary Carillo the "Gossip Queen" about
> a couple months ago.
> I used to think that word is too strong for her (although she really
> is).
> But now I think it's too kind!
> Too many of her words are both non-sense, and just simply garbage.
> 

   It's not really a complaint, but I do find Mary's choice of
words bizarre.  For example, she likes saying that the players
are hitting the ball crisply, or that one person is hitting
a cleaner ball than the other.  She mentioned at one point that
Sampras was liquid (and Edberg, too) and Courier was solid and
liquid was beating solid.   A little strange, for my tastes.

   Pat Summerall doens't usually have much on the way of
tennis insights, and appears to be there mostly to make
humor or light comments, or ask the player-announcers what
it was like when they were playing.   Still, when a crew is
around for a long time, they aren't fired for no reason.
Otherwise, Bud Collins wouldn't have lasted as long as he has.
Still, I don't mind either Pat or Bud, though Bud can get
overexcited relating his broad knowledge of tennis history.

   What surprised me the most is that ESPN had, at one point,
resorted to a broadcast group consisting of non US-born
announcers, both of whom played tennis at the higher levels.
Cliff Drysdale and Fred Stolle are originally from South Africa
and Australia, respectively.  Drysdale has been a US citizen for
a while, though.  I'm not sure whether Fred is a citizen or not.
He spends a lot of time in the US, I think, though he does telecast
work for Australia.

--
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From: anne@boombox.micro.umn.edu (Anne Bilek)
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Subject: Strategic whining (was Re: Ramblings)
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:30:41 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota
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In article <1992Sep9.172731.26381@src.umd.edu> Charles Lin,
clin@eng.umd.edu writes:

>                            While I like Lendl, he also complains
>a lot, and it is because people like Mac and Connors can get
>points changed or influence officials, that he has gone ahead
>and started complaining.  When he first started, he rarely
>complained, but by 1985 or so, he was routinely complaining.
>Still, I tend to ignore that, and enjoy his play.  So, a lot
>of people ignore the bad parts and just look at the good.
>It doesn't make the bad parts right, though.

Yesterday in his post-match interview, Lendl seemed to indicate that both
he and Becker were using their complaining as a strategy, at least in the
5th set.  Lendl was relatively calm - only a few quiet complaints - until
the 5th set, when he absolutely exploded over some point, screaming
"Shit!" at the umpire.  Before that, I was getting pretty sick of
Becker's constant complaining that Lendl was "influencing" the calls with
his complaints.  I don't remember Becker being such a whiner in recent
years, but then maybe he was using it as a strategy, as Lendl said. 

>
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>Charles Lin
>clin@eng.umd.edu

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From: lbrahm@denver.cba.du.edu (Lans Brahmantyo)
Subject: Edberg Won the Final
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 00:28:17 GMT

Stefan Edberg won the final in 4 sets. He played much better this afternoon  
than yesterday against Chang. Sampras was having a slight problem with his leg  
though. The last set was not even close.

Final score: 3-6 6-4 7-6 6-2

He is the Number One again finally.

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From: guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu (Stanford Guillory)
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Subject: Re: US Open - General Observations
Date: 13 Sep 1992 00:20:28 -0500
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clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) writes:
>    I may be the one of the few defenders of Clark.   However, look at some
>telecast of football.   Obviously, they believe that the majority of the
>viewers know enough of the rules of football (which are quite numerous
>and always changing -- American football, that is).  I would guess that

Probably due to the fact the the 1967 Super Bowl had a Nielson
rating of 300.0! Does anybody have the ratings for the 92 open?
Thank you.

>rule, and that's moderately useful.  It would be nice if some of the
>folks were a little more accurate in their comments, however.  For
>example, in football and baseball (I think, I hardly watch either), it
>is common to know of some injury, yet in tennis, people will make
>guesses about who will win often under the assumption they are healthy.

Oh, yeah, right! I am sure that those bookies have NO clue as
to the physical condition of the participants. You did mention
that "I don't know" about injuries in other sports, so I won't go
into why injuries are announced and printed in the daily newspapers.

>Asking a few questions about what injuries may be bothering the player
>seems like good reporting to me.  It seems Shun knows more about what
>injuries plague the players than say a Mary Carillo (well, *she* might
>know).

Well, for one thing, a player will LIE if he/she has a BRAIN.

Totally stupid situation:

Reporter: Sampras, do you have any injuries that will effect your
          match against Courier.

Sampras: Well, I have I pulled hamstring, so I won't be able
         to come in behind my serve. I am going to have to beat
         Courier from the baseline today.


         
>   In general, what I dislike is the constant repetition of the score
>whenever the chair umpire has just called it.  It's as if they

Hello!?! We don't ALL hear the chair umpire. 

>believe the listener can't hear it, or can't deal with the silence.

Oh, I'm sorry, you must have a better quality TV than I. What about
at the French? (Yes! I have learned to keep score in French.)

>In Hard Courts, by Feinstein, Ted Tinling was said to have criticized
>Wendy Turnbull(?) for making obvious statements, such as "She just hit
>a ball crosscourt".  Tim Mayotte is guilty of this in replays as well.
>Just echoing what was done.  After a while, one ought to know what
>down the line and crosscourt is.  Hopefully, with experience, this
>will change.

Given the debate on who the coverage is intended for, I wouldn't
get too hopeful. There was a time when I knew nothing of tennis
and had to watch TV coverage to figure the game out. Now, every
ONCE in a WHILE, I learn something new. I don't expect the coverage
to follow my level of expertise. I have no problem with it drifting
somewhere behind it. 

>Charles Lin

Stanf

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From: narasi@cs.tamu.edu (Narasimhan)
Subject: Ranking 
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:11:50 GMT


Hi 

The top four is as follows:
#1. Stefan Edberg
#2. Jim Courier
#3. Pete Sampras
#4. Micheal Chang

best wishes 


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From: palmer@uvmark.uucp (Filaman)
Subject: Re: US Open - patch on players' shirts
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 14:06:46 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <sbmalloc.716182666@yak> sbmalloc@socs.uts.edu.au (Stuart Malloch) writes:
>I have noticed that about 80% of players at the US Open are wearing on their
>shirts a round yellow patch with a red symbol on it. Can anyone tell me what
>the patch is for and why so many of the players are wearing it?

It's from the Arthur Ashe Foundation For The Defeat Of Aids. On the Sunday
before U.S. Open's opening day, they held the Arthur Ashe Aids Tennis
Challenge. Stan Smith, Tracy Austin and Pam Shriver where on hand to give out
literature and a red ribbon (but not the one the players are wearing) at
the Arthur Ashe Foundation booth. The ATP and WTA players have responded by
wearing the yellow circle (symbolizing a tennis ball) with a red ribbon. The
red ribbon has long been a symbol for the fight against AIDS.
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From: narasi@cs.tamu.edu (Narasimhan)
Subject: U.S. Open doubles 
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 20:12:21 GMT


Hi
I would like to know what happened to Stich and John Mac in mens doubles?
did they get to the quarters? whats the scene in womens doubles?

thanks



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From: arijeet@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Arijit Das)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Tennis clothes at the US Open.
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:28:06 GMT
Organization: Drexel University, ECE Department, Philadelphia, PA



>
>2) It's common to see male players changing shirts during a match, but during
>the Graf - Sanchez-Vicario match, apparently Graf changed a skirt.  Where on
>earth did she do this?  Surely not in front of the whole crowd?  Are female
>players allowed to go somewhere indoors to change during a match?
>
>I wish the TV coverage wouldn't cut away to commercials as soon as the
>odd-numbered games are over.  Once in a while it would be fun to see what
>players do during these mini rest-periods.
>
>-- Rao Akella    <rao@moose.cccs.umn.edu, rao%moose@umnacvx.bitnet>

USA did show it all, I mean how Graf changed her skirt. Just to clear up some
confusion, she wraped her fresh shirt on and pulled off the 
old one from under.
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From: rane@apollo.ksu.ksu.edu (J O D E C I)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: the best
Summary: this was undoubtedly one of the best U.S. open's i have ever seen.
Keywords: o yes
Date: 14 Sep 92 04:17:11 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
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all i can say is that there were many great matches that were played and i really enjoyed watching it.
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From: jph@hardy.u.washington.edu (Jeff Hanson)
Subject: What's out?
Organization: Hardly any
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 22:52:59 GMT

	This may seem like a dumb question, but I have never seen a
definitive answer in any of the tennis literature I've read.

	In tennis, when is a ball out or in?  I mean, what part of the
ball & what part of the line do you use?  Both ball & line are fairly
thick objects, but I have never known anyone to address this fine point.

	I used to call balls in if any part of the ball seemed to touch
any part of the line, but I found that this put me at a disadvantage
because most people seem to use the center of the ball & the center
of the line.

	Also, does anyone know the details on how the electonic line
judges work in this regard?

		Jeff Hanson (jph@u.washington.edu)
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From: prakash@cs.mcgill.ca (Prakash Panangaden)
Subject: Re: Trivia of interest-- Borg
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 02:28:11 GMT

In article <graham.715605044@galois> graham@maths.su.oz.au (Graham Matthews) writes:
>>a drop volley clear the net.  Borg went on to win the
>>fifth set 8-6, and his fifth consecutive Wimbledon title.
>
>Small correction. Borg won the last set 6-4 I think. The amazing
>thing about the last set is that Borg served 82% (ie: 82% of his
>first serves went in) in this set!
>

Actually Charles was right it was 8-6 not 6-4.  Another amazing stat,
Borg lost 3 points on serve in the 5th set.
Prakash
From: milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Milleman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: US Open SPOILERS: Men's 4R, Women's QF
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:49:10 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Sep9.105837.1591@corax.udac.uu.se> chris@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Christian Bartholdsson) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.045037.11346@iti.gov.sg>, dlee@iti.gov.sg (Dennis Lee) writes:
>> I still haven't heard the result of the much-anticipated Becker-Lendl
>> 
>> 4th round clash.  From the results, I think we can take it that Edberg is
>> 
>> clearly *not* at his best, having to struggle through a 5-setter. 
>
>Maybe so, but this was actually the first time *ever* that Edberg beat Krajicek,
>who has for some reason always been a difficult player for Edberg.
>
>- chris@minsk.docs.uu.se

A big serve is always a problem causer. Edberg has always had a difficult
time with big servers. He also seems to find particular players
that only he has big troubles with - the name Slobobadan Zevojinovich (sp?) 
comes to mind.

					    Rick
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From: GE.TEG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tito E. Gervacio)
Subject: Clash of the Titans, 92 US Open
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 01:42:40 GMT


 Saturday, 9/12/92
 6:42 p.m., Pacific Daylight Time


      The U.S. Open Men's Singles Final will treat  us  with
 two of the most talented tennis players on the tour today.

      Edberg's win over  Chang  proved  his  big  heart  and
 intelligence.   Sampras was so superior over Courier in the
 other semi-final match, he can be a real threat to  win  it
 all this year.  We hope he is okay. He looked injured after
 the last point, or was he just tired?

      Enjoy, feast over, Sunday's big game!

      And looking forward, we'll  hear  more  arguments  and
 repartees about who is best in tennis.
                                               -TEG
From: kleung@terapin.com (Keith Leung Keith Leung)
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Subject: Jen Capriati
Date: 6 Sep 92 23:55:27 PST
Organization: BBS


     Someone wanted to know what happned to Jennifer Capriati.  Well, she
lost to Patricia Hy.  That is all I know, maybe someone else has more info
on the match.

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From: nick@socrates.umd.edu (Nick Lemberos)
Subject: doing away w/ net calls
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:30:43 GMT


Did anyone else hear McEnroe saying that USTA was going to vote on
dropping officials  at the net?  If it hits the net and goes in,
it is good...if it hits the net and goes out...its a fault.

Dont know how much it would actually change the game. (how much
did "allowing" double hits change things?)

I think it is a pretty radical reaction for what could be solved
electronically easier than any other aspect of tennis.


comments?

nick

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From: clc5q@hemlock.cs.Virginia.EDU (Clark L. Coleman)
Subject: Re: US Open Prize Money
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:37:12 GMT

In article <95966@bu.edu> robrod@csa.bu.edu (Roberto Rodriguez) writes:
>In article <1992Sep14.173115.18911@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> stan@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Stanley Kim) writes:
>>The US Open may be the richest tounament, but the ATP championships give
>>the most prize money to the winner right?  Anyone know the actual amount?
>>1 mil? 2 mil?
>
>Didn't the Masters Tournament give something like 2 million to the
>winner?  I recall Pete Sampras won it after the US Open back in '90.  At
>that time he seemed undefeatable.


The Compaq Grand Slam Cup, held in December, gives out $6,000,000 in prize
money.  There is an offer (by Compaq?) to sponsor a women's event with
$4,500,000 in prize money, but the WTA is debating whether to accept it,
as they had said earlier that they would reject less than equal prize money.

Qualifying for the Grand Slam Cup is on the basis of performances in the four
grand slam events only.  The winner gets $2,000,000, the finalist $1,000,000,
the semifinalists $500,000 apiece, the quarterfinalists $250,000 apiece, and
the 1st round (round of 16) losers get $125,000 apiece.  Pete Sampras won
the inaugural event in 1990 over Brad Gilbert, and David Wheaton beat Michael
Chang last year.  The 1990 event was boycotted by Boris Becker and Mats
Wilander, who saw it as a threat to the ATP Tour World Championships, which
are held in November.

The ATP Championships feature the top 8 players in the world, based on the
computer rankings just before the tournament (not just grand slam event
performances.)  The #1, #4, #5 and #8 players are assigned to one group,
and the #2, #3, #6 and #7 players to the other group.  They play a single
round robin, and the top two players from each group advance to the semis,
whose winners play the final.

Winning a round robin match earns 60 ranking points and $60,000. Winning a
semifinal match earns $220,000 and 125 ranking points.  Winning the final
earns $625,000 and 175 ranking points.  An undefeated champion would get
480 ranking points and $1,080,000.  Last year, Sampras was 2-1 in the round
robin and then beat Lendl and Courier to win, so he got 420 points and
$1,020,000.  (Each participant gets $55,000 plus their actual earnings.)
The total prize money is $2,250,000.  All of these numbers are for the 1991
event.

There is also a doubles version a week later, with less prize money (total
of $1,010,000) and the same rating points as above.
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From: clc5q@hemlock.cs.Virginia.EDU (Clark L. Coleman)
Subject: Re: US open trivia
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:59:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.212500.685@morrow.stanford.edu> mou@nova1.stanford.edu (Alex Mou) writes:
>The four semifinalits are seeded 1 to 4. Has this happend before at US
>open? If yes, I doute it is a frequent case. Anybody knows how often
>this happens?
>


I heard the CBS announcers say that it last happened in 1985 on the men's
side. McEnroe beat Wilander and Lendl beat Connors in the 1985 semis,
then Lendl won his first Open over McEnroe.
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From: twromero@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Michael Lin)
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Subject: Re: US Open Prize Money
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:17:37 GMT
Organization: McGill Research Centre for  Intelligent Machines
Originator: twromero@damrod.mcrcim.mcgill.edu


In article <1992Sep14.173115.18911@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>, stan@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Stanley Kim) writes:
|> The US Open may be the richest tounament, but the ATP championships give
|> the most prize money to the winner right?  Anyone know the actual amount?
|> 1 mil? 2 mil?
|> 
|> 


   Isn't it the Gram Slam Cup that offers the winner 2 million while 
   giving $1 million to the finalist. I don't think the ATP championship
   offer that kind of money!

michael

ps. Charles Lin or Sheung Cheung, can you confirm this?
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