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From: chris@scan.genetik.uni-koeln.de (Christian Schetter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: LEEDS -  STUTTGART  News
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:10:47
Organization: Institute of Genetics/Dept. Virology, Cologne, Germany
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LEEDS will play STUTTGART on friday (9. oct) in Barcelona! This
decision was made by the UEFA and will be valid, if no further protest
of either team will arrive till 24:00 today. So Leeds has to decide if
they actually will officially announce their protest to UEFA, that
they only want to play in Leeds, which would of course be fair. BTW,
how will Leeds play, when their four foreigners are involved in
qualifying games for the WC?

Greetings

Chris


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From: jwk@sequent.com (John "F. Leghorn" Kramer)
Subject: Re: SOUNESS GETS VOTE OF CONFIDENCE
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 04:49:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.115444.13062@phillip.edu.au> t8914229@phillip.edu.au writes:
>doesn't a vote of confidence usually mean that they have the support
>of the board, etc.??????
>isn't it a vote of NO confidence that usually means that they DON'T have
>the support of the board, etc.?????
>
>	LIVERPOOL F.C. RULES THE WORLD FOREVER AND EVER
>	GRAEME SOUNESS RULES ALL MANAGER

In these cases, you never get a no vote. The only reason to publish a vote in
these political situations is to put up a smoke-screen while they finalise
a deal with someone. This technique has been used on numerous occasions
in and out of football (remember Thatcher?). Flames to alt.politics.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: waddlech@wam.umd.edu (David Akkarach)
Subject: Why does UNIVISION keep showing Mexican league matches?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:00:40 GMT


Has anyone got word lately from the UNIVISION folks in Miami? They've been
broadcasting (live) matches from the Mexican league for the past 3 weeks.
Unfortunately, all those games with the exception of the Leon-Puebla
were a total bore. Why haven't we seen any matches involving the high
scoring Necaxa team or even America with Hugo Sanchez?

They used to show quality matches from the Spanish and Italian leagues
rather consistently last year. The exceptions were showing the Mexican
league matches, which i remembered totaled less than a handfull of
broadcasts.

What is their policy this year? Is it they were bought by some Mexican
tv company and now are obliged to show only Mexican matches? Maybe
the tv company that bought UNIVISION owns the Puebla team also since
all the matches shown so far have involved Puebla.

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From: waddlech@wam.umd.edu (David Akkarach)
Subject: Re: World Cup Qualifying Results
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:37:03 GMT

In article <1a651tINNogj@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> pjed@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Peter Edmondson) writes:
>harin@iti.gov.sg (Harinderpal Singh) writes:
>
>>Playoff 2 (Playoff 1 winner vs Concacaf runner-up)
>>--------------------------------------------------
>
>>Its hard to say at this stage who the Concacaf runner-up will be, but considering that the favourites for the top two spots are Mexico and Canada, it is likely to be either of these countries.
>
>Just some thoughts really, but considering that the form CONCACAF team
>COSTA-RICA is in the same group as Mexico it seems highly likely that
>the direct qualifier will come from that group.  
> Of course this is great news for Australia since one the strongest
>teams will have been eliminated without the opportunity to qualify by 
>playing Australia. In my opinion the CONCACAF runner-up will probably be
>Canada or El Salvador, giving the Oceania qualifier an excellent chance
>of advancing to the next stage.
>
>

Highly unlikely since these two are the weaker teams of CONCACAF lately.
I'll tip Mexico to win the region with Honduras or Costa Rica the
runners up to play off against the Oceania winners (Aussies, most likely).
The Canadians look to be the darkhorse since they have the players
but not the organization and coaching.

-Dave
From: chris@scan.genetik.uni-koeln.de (Christian Schetter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Heinrik (?) Andersen
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:33:00
Organization: Institute of Genetics/Dept. Virology, Cologne, Germany
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In-reply-to: fischer@iesd.auc.dk's message of 27 Sep 92 02:38:15 GMT

In article <FISCHER.92Sep27023815@steiner.iesd.auc.dk> fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) writes:
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   From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
   Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
   Date: 27 Sep 92 02:38:15 GMT
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   >>>>> "Ken" == shadlin  (shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu)

   Ken> I am not sure if I have his name correct, but I am hoping someone
   Ken> can tell me what is the condition of the Danish leftback that
   Ken> was stretchered off the field in the EC semi-final against Holland.

   His name is Henrik Andersen and he plays for 1. FC K"oln. He broke his
   kneecap in an accidental clash with van Basten and the injury was
   regarded as very bad. He is reported to be making good progress "under
   the circumstances" and is now able to walk unaided. According to an
   interview in Danish "Tipsbladet" he has hopes to play after Xmas and
   would like to do a good spring for K"oln but on the other hand
   realizes that the rate of progress is hard to judge and that it may be
   he can't play until next season (fall 93).

   All of this is really sad since Henrik Andersen was playing very good
   for the national team and for K"oln and realizing his potential. He is
   27 and it may be that his chance for the "big time" has been ruined.

   /Lars
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   CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin


In Cologne everybody would like to see Henrik Andersen back in the
Bundesliga. Cologne's coach Berger mentioned, that although Andersen
may be back in February/March 93 Cologne is looking for a strong
defense player to improve at least this part of the team. An absolute
necessary precondition for this action, will be a successful trip to
Glasgow this week. Neverless I hope Henrik won't start too early to
risk the end of his career.

Christian

 















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From: laetta@uni-paderborn.de (Udo Koerber)
Subject: Murdo McLeod ???
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn, Germany
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 12:43:09 GMT

Hi there in Scotland,

as Borussia Dortmund supporter i'd like to hear
something new (after a 1-year-gap) about Murdo,

is he still playing for Motherwell ?
how are things going for him nowadays ?

Thanks and bye,
                L"atta.
From: statlab1@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Blackburn & other trends....
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:23:07 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Once more in the so exciting English Leaque an outsider is ahead.
Did Blackburn gain promotion to the Premier Division just this year?
I see a trend here that has been happening frequently in the last
few years in England; that is, a team which was just promoted dominating
the first few months of the Premier Division. Leeds last year, Man. Utd
in 1978(I think), Swansea about 10 years ago. I can't recall any more examples
but,

  PLEASE CAN ANY OF THE EXPERTS ON ENGLISH FOOTBALL FIND SOME MORE 

  EXAMPLES OF "first 2-3 months domination of teams just promoted"

  IN THE ENGLISH LEAQUE PREMIER DIVISION??

  Note: The team wouldn't have to end the leaque succesfully.

N.B. In my opinion this is unique in the world of soccer and makes the 
     English Leaque very interesting.
From: SYSMAINT%BRUFBA.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Luiz Alberto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Championship of Sao Paulo-BR
Date: 2 Oct 1992 08:35:09 -0500
Organization: Universidade Federal da Bahia - Brasil
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 Championship of state of Sao Paulo , Brazil
 *******************************************

 Group A (Oct. 1st)

  Santos         0-0   Sao Carlense
  Bragantino     0-0   Portuguesa
  Sao Paulo      3-0   Internacional
  Muller 11,30(1)
  Rai 38(1)

 Group A
 -------
Team            G    W   D   L    GF-GA  Points
------------------------------------------------
Sao Paulo       17   9   7   1    25-13     25
Corinthians     17   9   6   2    24-08     24
Santos          17   6   8   3    22-13     20
Guarani         17   5  10   2    18-15     20
Ituano          17   5   9   3    19-20     19
Palmeiras       17   5   8   4    11-08     18
------------------------------------------------
Bragantino      17   6   5   6    16-17     17
Noroeste        17   5   7   5    14-15     17
Portuguesa      17   4   9   4    17-13     17
Sao Carlense    17   4   6   7    17-21     14
Juventus        17   3   8   6    13-17     14
Botafogo        17   4   5   8    15-25     13
Santo Andre     17   2   9   6    11-19     13
Internacional   17   1   5  11    05-23     07

Group B
-------
Team            G    W   D   L    GF-GA  Points
------------------------------------------------
Ponte Preta     18  10   7   1    30-17     27
Mogi Mirim      18  12   2   4    33-16     26
------------------------------------------------
Rio Branco      19  10   6   3    28-14     26
Uniao Sao Joao  19   8   8   3    25-19     24

 Next Games :   Sunday
                Group A    Guarani       -  Palmeiras
                           Sao Paulo     -  Corinthians
                           Juventus      -  Noroeste
                           Bragantino    -  Santos
                           Ituano        -  Botafogo
                           Sao Carlense  -  Portuguesa
                           Internacional -  Santo Andre

                Group B    Novorizontino -  Aracatuba
                           Olimpia       -  Uniao Sao Joao
                           Marilia       -  Catanduvense
                           Ponte Preta   -  America
                           Sao Jose      -  XV Jau
                           Rio Branco    -  Ferroviaria
                           XV Piracicaba -  Mogi Mirim
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: waddlech@wam.umd.edu (David Akkarach)
Subject: UEFA decides to have Leeds - Vfb Stuttgart replay (3rd game)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 22:47:08 GMT

UEFA has decided to have the Champions' Cup tie replayed at a neutral stadium.
Leeds are given the lead with their home win counted, so they have a 3-0
advantage. The match Vfb Stuttgart won at home doesn't count anymore.

-Dave
From: gt0702a@prism.gatech.EDU (Muzaffer Kayhan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Turkish Soccer Results 5th Round
Date: 27 Sep 92 16:18:15 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Trabzonspor-Aydinspor:1-0

Fenerbahce-Ankaragucu:1-2

Besiktas-Sariyer:4-0

Kayserispor-Galatasaray:1-1

Bursaspor-Altay:4-0

Karsiyaka-Bakirkoyspor:2-1

Genclerbirligi-Gaziantepspor:1-0

Kocaelispor-Konyaspor:5-0
-- 
Muzaffer Kayhan
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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From: mia@crosfield.co.uk (mark allison)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Liverpool/forest (derby?) crisis
Date: 30 Sep 92 07:24:37 GMT
Organization: Crosfield Electronics, Hemel Hempstead, United Kingdom.
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laudw@warwick.ac.uk (Chris Lowe) writes:
:          fans ??? any Honest opinions??).But I reckon by next season
:          Derby will be seen as the best young side in the country,replacing
:          forest as the side with the best youth policy..With wassal,short,
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
:          pembridge,johnson,kitson,simpson where can we go wrong ??
: 
: anyway,just a few views....
: 
: The rams forever..
: 
: Darren.

Surely a good youth policy is by signing players from school and developing
them through the youth team, not by signing any young player that is rated at
over a million pounds?

Just a thought...

Mark
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From: efsv09@castle.ed.ac.uk (J Shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: LEEDS OUT and IN AGAIN
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:59:31 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

rconway@vax1.tcd.ie writes:




>Leeds are to either play Stuttgart again or are in the next round !!!


>The German team had 4 foreign players on the field at one time.


>UEFA are to make a decision on this today any news please post.


Not too sure what has been finally decided, but if Leeds do go through
they face my team Rangers in the next round. Celtic will play B.
Dortmund and Hearts have been drawn against Standard Liege.

                            James
From: cbar26@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Biggest Club in Britain (was Re: BIG ENORMOUS etc)
Date: 29 Sep 92 11:05:39 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Sep27.171955.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
> In a recent posting Ian Marsh wrote something like this,
> 
>>Here is an interesting question for you:
> 
>>What makes a club big?
> 
>>The question comes because in a recent memo Scott Jackson stated that 
>>"Rangers are the biggest club in Britain.". I'm not denying his statement 
>>but it would be interesting to know what this is based on. I think the 
>>statement could be changed depending on the basis.
> 
>>examples:
> 
>>1. Total value of club (I think it is sad when it has to boil down to money     
>                          though).
Worth loadsamoney-about 10p on an aesthetic level.
>>2. Total number of fans or perhaps average attendance
Very high when winning, very low when losing(about same as Hertz)
>>3. Stadium - size & quality
Best in Britain(at the moment:-))
>>4. Success in domestic competition
Very good esp. when the rest are crap.
>>5. Success in international competition
Crap. Kicked way to a trophy once and then got banned the next season.
>>6. Both 5 & 6 combined
eh?
>>7. history/heritage value
Absolutely nil,total embarrassment to sport.
>>8. Contribution to international team
As good as any other top team
>>9. Contribution to the benefit of football in general eg bringing through       
>>good young players.
Pretty bad here as well. Durant is the only player that I can think is worth
mentioning from the last 25 years.
> 
> 
> 	Well I would imagine Rangers qualify on the majority of these, so
> maybe we are the biggest in Britain.   
 
> Sandy Mackinnon
> University of Strathclyde
> Glasgow
> cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
> 
> 
Interesting article in the Scotland on Sunday by a top tory who wants to target
MIM fans as suitable recruits for his party. There's nothing like the "peoples"
team.
Interesting to hear about the Ibrox stockholder who was complaining about
paying fans and sponsors guests who happened to support other teams actually
being allowed to voice support for their favourites within the walls of the
fortress.
Interesting level of attendance at the MIM skol cup semi.
Interesting comments by members of the board about the Ukranians in their
employ. Such tact.
Interesting level of profit being made from the Scotland games by Mr Murray.
Interesting songs at the fortress-should they all not be wearing wellies?

Here's to Fergie and Bomber in the Scotland team.
McStay is over-rated, but still the best midfielder Scotland has got.
Collins should be playing left midfield for Scotland.
Celtic as a team are playing crap but the strips are nice.

Desparately seeking a win
Chris
From: ay00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ALI YILDIRIM)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Turkish Soccer League - 6th week
Date: 4 Oct 92 21:55:10 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Turkish Soccer League - 6th week results

        Altay          - Fenerbahce      :  0 - 1
        Galatasaray    - Trabzonspor     :  1 - 1
        Konyaspor      - Besiktas        :  2 - 2
        Sariyer        - Genclerbirligi  :  1 - 1
        Gaziantepspor  - Karsiyaka       :  1 - 0
        Bakirkoyspor   - Kayserispor     :  0 - 0
        Aydinspor      - Bursaspor       :  0 - 1
        Ankaragucu     - Kocaelispor     :  0 - 3

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From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tim Chown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Liverpool v Chesterfield
Date: 27 Sep 92 16:12:59 GMT
X-Phone: +44 703 593257

In <FISCHER.92Sep25031917@steiner.iesd.auc.dk> fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) writes:

>His name is Torben Piechnik and he's a Danish international. He signed
>for Liverpool Wednesday, played for the reserves team Thursday, and
>then had his debut in the league Saturday. I'd say that this is not
>the ideal situation for a player, so maybe you should give the guy a
>chance before calling him a mistake or a bad player. You have, after
>all, seen him play only once. Even the best players need a bit of time
>to adapt to a team.

Yes, you may be right.  He did look slow, and made 3 or 4 clumsy body checks
rather than tackles.  I noticed a few of these in an Italian game last week;
is this a Continental style, as I rarely see English league players doing it?

It was nice to watch Lazio-Genoa today and see some real passing soccer,
but sad that Gazza went off injured.

Tim
From: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: DENMARK v IRELAND - TICKETS WANTED
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:02:30 GMT
Reply-To: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

--

In article <1992Sep29.133721.1@vax1.tcd.ie>, jbrogan@vax1.tcd.ie writes:

|>As the Denmark v. Republic of Ireland match in Copenhagen on October 14th
|>next is a sell-out and the F.A.I. have only received an allocation of 
|>4,200 tickets which have been taken up, could any Danes out there tell
|>me if there is any possibility of buying tickets in Copenhagen prior to 
|>the match?  If so, what prices?
|>
|>There seems to be a large number of Irish fans travelling to Copenhagen 
|>without tickets and hoping to buy them on the black market.

The F.A.I. have a  waiting list of 700 and rising.  They didn't even bother
advertising the fact that they were accepting applications such was the 
demand.  Fortunately I got mine yesterday.  I sent money in August.  One
of the guys I usually travel with has got tickets from Copenhagen through
a relation but apparently they're very scarce in Denmark.

There's a small chance I might have spare tickets.  It looked like my
application was going to be refused by the F.A.I. and the guy I'm
travelling with applied through a different channel.  He hasn't got anything
yet though.

I believe the F.A.I. gave priority to 

1 Travel Agents

2 Regular away fans

3 People going to Spain


I qualified under the latter 2.  There are still trips available that guarantee
tickets but these are at prices way beyond the pockets of most fans.  It's
much much cheaper to make your own way there - Shannon - Copenhagen via 
London - IR#78 + STG#139 total #215 (allowing for exchange rate differences).
We've booked a twin room for #40 in a hotel but will try and move to the
hostel or guesthouse after the first night.

I'm sure thousands will travel without tickets.  I'd recommend going around the
Travel Agents next week.  They have tickets and may cut their losses if
they can't sell their packages.

BTW there are still plenty of tickets available for Seville but 5,000-6,000
are currently travelling and this could rise if fans decide to opt for
Seville rather than Copenhagen.


       Gary Spain, DEC, Galway, Ireland   - spain@galvia.enet.dec.com

  On being a football fan: "I am aware of the downside to this wonderful 
  facility that men have: they become repressed, they fail in their 
  relationships with women,their conversation is trivial and boorish, they 
  find themselves unable to express their emotional needs, they cannot relate
  to their children, and die lonely and miserable. But you know, what the hell?"
								   Nick Hornby 
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