From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: Alright, an unoriginal point
Organization: California State University: Sacramento
Distribution: world 
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:52:58 GMT

In article <Bs5rHw.BDI@news.udel.edu> wilhited@brahms.udel.edu (Douglas Ben Wilhite) writes:
>Ok.  So one of the major points brought out in the US Constitution is that
>the government shall not dictate moral decisions except for those widely and
>most basically accepted by the people, such as the dictum against murder and
>incest.
>
>Yet those who support legislation to stop abortion are asking our government 
>to do just that.  In fact, our very own President, the symbolic figurehead of
>our constitution, is begging for the Congress and Supreme Court to transgress
>the document which has put all three parts of government into power.
>
>It is possible to argue that abortion is murder, and thus that illegalizing
>abortion simply falls as a subset of the legislation against the destruction
>of human life.
>
>But, the fact is that there is no general agreement upon whether or not a 
>human life is destroyed in the act of abortion.  One group of people says 
>yes, and another says no.

They said yes and they said no about African Americans, too. But that
didn't mean that America was right in giving into "pluralism" and
declaring them non-persons. 

Check an embryology book and you'll find out that a z/e/f is human and
alive from fertilization, not from birth. 

Answer this simple question: What makes a human body grow and
genetically differentiate? Does a dead body grow and cause its own
parts to mature and grow? Just answer with a straight yes or no,
please.   

>No scientific proof is available to support either group, because the question
>has reached the point where it deals with the idea of soul.  The debate is
>now, "Does the fetus have a soul?  Does the embedded zygote have a soul?"

Soul is irrelevant. Belief is irrelevant. Only scientific facts are
relevant. 

Scientific facts, to the contrary of your claim, _do_ show that 

1) The z/e/f is growing. 
2) Is, unlike skin, stomach, liver, cancer or wart cells, growing
several different kinds of cells from a central DNA. 
3) And is doing all of this due to commands from his/her own body.
Someone is at home in there, directing that development, until the day
s/he dies. 

How can that be happening and they not be alive? You can't do that if
you're dead, that's for sure. 

Once again, you have _yet_ to see me refer to any Bible except for
embryology data.  

>Well, does it?  If you can answer this, you must have a strong faith in some
>form of religion.  Not necessarily a standard, practicing religion, but
>a person set of beliefs.  A personal set of beliefs.
>
>Once again, our Constitution specifically states that the United States shall
>not dictate religious beliefs to its people, but rather maintain a distinct
>and well marked line between religion and state.  If you don't recognize the
>power and importance of this aspect of our government, remember back to the
>removal of silent prayer from public schools during the Reagan years.

All fine and well if you want to deal with religious extremists. 

Nothing in this response to you, comes from religion. 

In fact, I challenge _anyone_ to find where I've based my stands on
religion, in this article. 

Doug Wilhit's reasoning is correct and brilliant, but his premise has
no basis in fact.  

>Doug Wilhite
>wilhited@brahms.udel.edu
>


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1) Why is it that the pro-aborts are the least educated human beings in
the world when it comes to scientific facts? 
2) Why is it that pro-aborts were never raised to read an embryology
book before they debate? 
3) Why is it that pro-aborts never want embryologists around? 

Why ask why? --- 
- Last sentence deleted due to possible legal ramifications... 
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