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From: jaym@hplsla.hp.com (Jay Miazga)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Golf Vacation/School Recommendations?
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:35:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: hplsla.5740027
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA


My wife and I would like to take a vacation this December
that included golf and golf lessons.  We were thinking
of about 5-7 days.

Can anyone recommend a spa/resort/club/golf school?
We'd like to stay on the west coast to keep travel
expenses down, but if there's the 'right' place to
go in the East we'd consider it.

It doesn't need to be associated with a well-known
golf course; we're more interested in good instruction
and having some other things around to do in the evenings.
She's a beginner; this will be her first serious attempt
at picking up the game, and for selfish reasons I really
want it to be a good experience.

We don't want to drop a grand a day, but $300-400 would
be o.k.

We'd really appreciate some help finding a good spot.

Thanks,

jaym
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: Jim.Buddenhagen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Jim Buddenhagen)
Subject: Mexico, Vera Cruz, Jalapa
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:21:19 GMT

My wife and I will be taking a 10 day vacation to Mexico, starting Nov. 1.
We plan to fly to Mexico City and then travel to Vera Cruz and Jalapa, 
probably by train or bus.  We would like to visit interesting and unusual
places but are not much interested in the "tourist/resort" scene.

We would be interested in suggestions and comments about things of interest,
possible lodgings, experiences, weather, etc.  from anyone familiar with
the area.

Response by email to:   jb1556@swuts.sbc.com     preferred,  or post.
I will summarize if there is general interest.   Thanks.

--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
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From: madsere@okys.infoserv.com (Rene Madsen)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Phuket
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:39:33 GMT
Organization: Brackton Ltd. Luxembourg

In article <1992Sep22.074517.18546@mailhost.ocs.mq.edu.au>, mcolthea@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au (Max Coltheart) writes:
> In article <rw.717123029@donner> rw@donner.Rational.COM (Bob Weissman) writes:
> >rog@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Roger Haaheim) writes:
> >>In rec.travel, alan@bali.co.uk (Alan Lear) writes:
> >>>
> >>> I'm thinking about spending Xmas on a hot, sunny island, rather than 
> >>> miserable England.
> >>>
> 
> The answer to this question is Australia. It is hot, it is sunny, it is an
> island, and it is not miserable.

Maybe not, but full of Aussies... (Just kiddin' even I have australian
friends)

My vote goes for Phuket though. Actually I will be spending this xmas 
there. Maybe see you there?


-- 
Rene Madsen                
Unix Systems Support/Dev.       
madsere@okys.infoserv.com
From: au109@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Craig Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Need HELP ! with housing in ASPEN, COLORADO
Date: 26 Sep 1992 20:45:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


>Does ANYONE know of any leads or can anybody offer advice on how a student
>(myself) locate housing in Aspen, Colorado from December 7, 1992 thru
>April 15, 1993 ??? - I'll be working during seasonal employment down there an
>ALL of my research thus far has turned up with NOTHING.....
>
>Thanks a bunch in advance !
>John Salomone (salomone@ndsuvm1)

John,

I bicycled thru Aspen with friends a couple of years ago.  One of our
group members took a bus tour (strange for a cycle tour, isn't it?  But
then, you had to know the guy <g>) and was told by the driver that most
workers in Aspen, year-round or seasonal had to either get lodging from
their employer, or (most likely) had to commute from one of the commun-
ities along the I-70 corridor.  If true, this would be a long commute
back and forth each day.  I will confirm that the one highway out
of town towards I-70 had tremendous traffic during rush hours (and they
weren't all that courteous to cyclists even during off-hours!)  Good
luck, but I think you're in for a bit of trouble unless your employer
already has sapce for employees...

	Craig
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: holbrook@apollo.HP.COM (Alan R. Holbrook)
Subject: Re: u: ual unjust policies
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:37:31 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Sep29.231753.21701@gateway.ssf-sys.DHL.COM>, jdavis@ssf-sys.DHL.COM (Jim Davis) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep23.023300.28851@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
|> >"brian malanaphy" <brian.malanaphy@execnet.com> wrote: 
|> >->Re:  Absurd Family Emergency / Bereavement Policy
|> >
|> >this rant is tired.  many airlines dropped their bereavement fares
|> >months ago, and such news made the newspapers (you do get newspapers,
|> >don't you?)
|> >
|> >why do you think you're entitled to a discount, anyway?  if you were
|> >interested in being prepared for these emergencies you'd have money
|> >put away for this purpose.  this sort of savings is often called a
|> >"nest egg."  try it!
|> 
|> What a CROCK!  He was justifiably upset about the lack of a discount.  I 
|> read 2 newspapers a day minimum and don't recall ever seeing anything about
|> them being dropped.  Your comment about "being prepared for these..." I think 
|> is unwarranted and in bad taste.>
|> >--
|> ># henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
|> 
|> 

The original poster's rant, although I didn't save it and can't quote it, had the
definite flavor of "I'm _owed_ a discount by the airline in this situation".  
Henry simply pointed out to him that the airline has not only no _legal_
requirement to provide bereavment discounts but no _moral_ obligation either.
I fail to see that Henry's comments were either a crock, unwarranted, or in bad taste.
Unless, of course, you're one of that growing majority who feel that there is no
relationship between rights and responsibilities...

Wake up and smell the coffee, friend.  As Heinlein, amongst others, said, "There
ain't no such thing as a free lunch."
From: nbeck@weber.ucsd.edu (Nathaniel Beck)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Exchanging money in Europe
Date: 28 Sep 1992 14:58:33 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu
Summary: Use your visa card

Before I left on a recent trip to France, Germany, Switzerland and
Belgium, I posted a question on changing money (into water?, ah the
US dollar). On the basis of my experience, it seems that there is a
clear best way to do this, at least for these countries.

Every town had one (usually more) ATM's. As did the airports.
Withdrawals from these machines were converted at NY money market
rates (same as for a credit card purchase.) We never had any
difficulty finding a machine, no matter how rural the area (I can
say this with confidence only for France). We just prepaid the Visa
account to avoid finance charges. I also note that visa cards vary
in their cash advance charges. My card from a credit union has no
charge. Given the current rates of interest being paid on checking
accounts, you can get essentially free currency conversion at the
best rates with no commission using this method. 

Next time I won't even bring along a few dollars worth of foreign
currency, since all the airports had machines. (I guess I would tuck
away a $100 Traveller's Check just in case!)

Will post a more intereting discussion of the trip when time
permits.

Neal

-- 
Neal Beck 
Dept of Politcal Science, UCSD
beck@ucsd.edu
Dislaimer: The Regents pay me (in scrip?) to distribute my opinions!
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: nadel@attatash.aero.org (Miriam Nadel)
Subject: Re: Travel to England: Certify the camera????????
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:11:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.163359.12888@sol.UVic.CA> klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen) writes:
>While you're waiting in the airport for the flight which **leaves** the USA,
>go to the "US Customs Office" (there must be one, due to symmetry -- if 
>you're leaving the USA from this airport, passengers are entering the USA at 
>this airport), and show your camera to them, and they will issue a certificate 
>that your camera (serial number 123456789) **and** lens(es) were part of your 
>belongings **before** you left the USA.  Repeat with other expensive serial-
>numbered stuff you are taking with you -- Rolex, cellular phone, portable FAX.

Actually, there isn't necessarily a US Customs Office you can get to.  At LAX,
so far as I know, the only US Customs Office is in the International Arrivals
building.  And is back in the area where people are arriving and they don't
let anyone in.  

All of the international flights I've taken have left from the normal
terminals and there isn't a US Customs office in those terminals.  

I haven't worried about it because I have a little card for my camera with
the serial number and date of purchase that Canon sent me (and it was a cheap
camera anyway and I don't spend lots of money overseas).  But maybe you
should call Customs in your city and check out what you should do.

Miriam Nadel


Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: sivesh@rebels.b23b.ingr.com (sivesh pradhaan)
Subject: Bad experience with DOLLAR rent a car
Reply-To: sivesh@rebels.b23b.ingr.com
Organization: DAZIX An Intergraph Comp. (Huntsville, Al.)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:08:29 GMT

Hi folks,

Last Labor day week end I had a very bad experience with Dollar rent a car at
Orlando airport. We had made our car reservations weeks in advance and were 
given a confermation # as well. My flight was reaching Orlando at 11:55pm and 
I had mentioned this to the Dollar agent while making the reservation. Well, my
flight arrived at 12:30pm and I reached at the Dollar counter at the airport at
about 1:00am! The Dollar agent at the counter said that even though I had a 
confirmed reservation, they could not give me any car as there was no car 
available. They did not offer any further assistance to me in finding a car. 
Unfortunately, all the car rentals at the airport, and the ones with courtesy 
phones at the airport, were booked and all they had was mini vans for 
exorbitant price.

I ended up renting a mini van and reached the hotel at 4:00am!!!

I want to know if any one else has had such an experience? I am going to write
to the Dollar management and let's see what is their response. What are the
rights of a consumer when he/she is a victim of over booking?

I'll really appreciate any response on this.

Thanx

-Sivesh

sivesh@rebels.b23b.ingr.com
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.australian
From: steve@fulcrum.oz.au (Steve Taylor)
Subject: Re: Revolting Animals (Re: Loud irritating obtrusive tourists.)
Organization: The Fulcrum Consulting Group
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:48:32 GMT

In <1992Sep28.204547.7371@news.Hawaii.Edu> gerard@caliban.soest.hawaii.edu (Gerard Fryer) writes:

[... stuff about cane toads deleted ... ]

>The introduction of these toads into the Oz was specifically to reduce
>the fly population.  As is usually the case that introduction backfired

Um... No. Cane toads were introduced to combat pests in the sugar cane
fields. This backfired, and the toads have become a real pain in the ass
in Queensland, and are spreading to other areas.

>- the toads also ate dung beetles, with the consequence that
>pastureland (if anywhere in Oz can be graced with that title) was
>covered with dung heaps.  The dung heaps grew grasses which cattle
>wouldn't eat, so pastureland was destroyed.  Ever resourceful, the
>aussies introduced the giant dung beetle (from where?).  

As for the dung beetles, Australia has native beetles which cope very nicely
with kangaroo shit and the like. They couldn't cope with cow shit, however,
causing the aforementioned dung piles. Australian scientists looked around
until they found dung beetles which *could* cope with cow shit in an arid
climate (I forget where they found them - somewhere in Africa, I think), and
introduced them to Oz. This is one of the cases where introducing a biological
control has worked out well. Cane toads were not involved.

>This beast is
>so strong that if you hold it in your cupped hands it can force your
>hands apart and escape.  Eaten by a toad it could break out of the
>stomach cavity...

Where did you get this? From "Ripleys Believe It Or Not" or something?

>Gerard Fryer  (g.fryer@soest.hawaii.edu)
>School of Ocean & Earth Science & Technology
>University of Hawaii at Manoa

				
						Steve Taylor
						steve@fulcrum.oz.au
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: kmludvic@eos.ncsu.edu (@color(DarkViolet)@b(@large(@i(The Admiral))))
Subject: Re: Driving from San Fran to Las Vegas
Originator: kmludvic@c00392-346dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: kmludvic@eos.ncsu.edu (@color(DarkViolet)@b(@large(@i(The Admiral))))
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:30:26 GMT


Excuse me! My relatives who live out in California called it that .
A thousand pardons.....
I will know better next time!
Lest I look like an out of towner like I **REALLY HATE** Esp caoming from a 
tourist town myself(Annapolis ,MD)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: STU@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Good Crab Restaurants In and Around Baltimore
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:02:16 GMT

Well, it isn't exactly Baltimore, but Cantler's Riverside Inn near
Annapolis is the best on that side of the Bay Bridge.  If you will be
there next Friday, I'll buy you a beer.  /Stu Bell
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: pjf@sei.cmu.edu (Priscilla Fowler)
Subject: advice on walking (hiking) in England
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:43:30 GMT

I will be visiting my son who is attending university in London
in early November.  We would like to take a trip to somewhere
outside London (no more than 2-4 hours distant) where it is
quiet and we can, from a B&B or small hotel, do day hikes for two
or three days.

The B&B/hotel should be close to train or bus transportation
and be a place where one can sit around in the evening and
read a good book, or do a puzzle, or play a game etc.  My
son has had enough nightlife in London and so is ready to
take a quiet few days off ... ;)

Any recommendations about location, etc? hotels or B&B's?
Is the weather still good enough to be outdoors (we don't
mind cold, but pouring rain is something else).

Thanks!

PS: We've already "done" London, Stonehenge, Bath, Bristol,
Chester, etc.  
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: duck@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Lauriston)
Subject: Re: Salt Lake City
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: rec.travel
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:50:48 GMT


Not much to see in SLC.  Don't miss the bizarre Church of Latter-Day
Saints (Mormon) Disneyland-style tourist attraction in the basement of
the Tabernacle.  Great skiing in season.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: South Pacific in December
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:05:40 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1aigp1INNls5@fido.asd.sgi.com> leej@sgi.com (Lee Jones) writes:
>In article <BvG7A5.3DC@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>>
>>
>>  Both my company and that of my wife will have a December shutdown so 
>>  we want to go on vacation then.
>>
>>  We would like to consider the South Pacific, either French Polynesia
>>  /Society Islands or maybe Bali (and we were even looking at a nature
>>  tour in Borneo).  We have already been to the Great Barrier Reef but
>>  we might consider a return.
>>
>>  We want a relaxing vacation (i.e., not too strenuous or hectic) but
>>  some hiking or opportunities for nature-study (birdwatching, marine
>>  life etc) or cultural tourism would be good.   A plus would be access
>>  to a trained naturalist, anthropologist, for interpretive purposes
>>  but this is not a requirement.  
>>
>>  We were looking for recommendations for *small vessel* (NOT big cruise
>>  ships) visits to these places, OR resorts near places of interest to
>>  nature or culture study.  
>>
>>  Thanks very much in advance,
>>
>Ah!  What you're looking for is CEDAM, in Croton-On-Hudson, NY.  Call
>914 information.  They run field trips/vacations for folks that go to 
>interesting places (including the South Pacific) and do field work for a 
>professional, with professional guidance.  Their list of available trips is
>quite fascinating.  I've never done one, but I've talked to people that 
>have (mapping the coast of Scotland, doing lemon shark research in the 
>Bahamas, chasing fish around a reef in Bonaire) and they also said it was 
>a extremely fun and rewarding experience.  
>
>Depending on your moxie and financial status, you can deduct portions of 
>your cost from your taxes on account of you're supporting non-profit research.

  This sounds like Earthwatch.  But note that you are expected to *work*
  on such vacations.  A perusal of my original posting, above, reveals
  such adjectives as "relaxing".   "Study", as in visiting a penguin
  rookery and having a naturalist explain some of their habits, or spending
  a day photographing them is one thing; spending two weeks with a 
  clipboard having to take notes, and having to pay for the privilege,
  is something else altogether.   


---peter
From: keithw@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Keith Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Grindelwald reminiscence
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:10:26 GMT
Organization: Martin Marietta

In article <1992Oct6.140121.8561@engage.pko.dec.com>, bechtler@asdg.enet.dec.com (Laurie Bechtler) writes:

|> The area was incredibly beautiful. 

I visited the area last Nov. and just "beautiful" doesn't do it justice. Majestic 
breathtaking, awesome, unbelievable and magical are more like it. The combinations
of mountains, lakes, trees, log cabins and riding the trains along and thru the
mountains resulted in a scenery I will never forget. Unfortunately we were not
allowed to go to the glacier "city" at the bottom because it was closed for then.
We did hiked up the town to see the start of the glacier. Again, the view was
majestic. I would highly recommend Grindewald to anyone. It's also a popular ski
resort.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Keyna Safari Info Wanted
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 03:30:49 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <1992Sep30.170329.8674@ncar.ucar.edu> marcia@virga.ucar.edu (Marcia Politovich) writes:

>For those folks who want safari info for Kenya and/or Tanzania - 
>consider just going over there and renting a car, staying at 
>the lodges in the parks. 

I agree with this wholeheartedly.  It is somehow more exciting to spot 
your own lion,  giraffe,  Elephant than to have a guide find one for you.
Also you can save money entering the parks as, with a Kanyan registered 
vehicle, you can pretend to be residents and pay the resident entrance fee.
This is a third of the 'tourist' fee. If they ask for your residence papers 
just say they are being processed.  Everyone knows how long this can take 
in Africa so you should be OK.  Of course 'Joes car hire' on the side 
may be a giveaway.

The tours often use big old 4x4 army trucks.  Bumpy and noisy and dusty.
Great for the Safari mystique and high vantage point but not so comfortable.

Of course most Safari companies will have a couple of locals to pitch the
tents and cook your meal....


-- 
Derek Tearne. -- derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz --  Fujitsu/ICL New Zealand -- 
Some of the more aware dinosaurs were worried about the environmental
consequences of an accident with the new Iridium enriched fusion reactor.  
"If it goes off only the cockroaches and mammals will survive..." they said.
From: 21329KAD@MSU (Kim Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Florida
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:19:57 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

>> Be aware that it's a four hour drive to Key West from Ft.
>> Lauderdale.  It can be longer if there is traffic on the
>> road going down there.

>Also keep in mind that there's only one road to the keys, U.S. 1, and it is
>also the main road to Homestead and Florida City.  It is my impression from
>the newspaper that driving through that area is still very difficult and
>there are road blocks at which you may be turned back unless you demonstrably
>have legitimate business in the area.

I don't know if there are still roadblocks (an awful lot of people still
go down to the Keys to dive) but there is STILL a way around it.  You
can still fly into Key West or  Marathon and not have to deal with the
mainland part of 1 at all.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: duck@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Lauriston)
Subject: Re: Car Rental in San Francisco
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:39:02 GMT


Alamo is generally the best deal.  Weekly rate, unlimited mileage.
Don't rent a Geo Metro, they're not really strong enough to deal
with the hills.  Alamo's number is 800-327-9633, but I don't think
you can dial that from Ireland.  415-347-9911 is the direct number
for the San Francisco Airport branch.  If you're not flying into
SFO, call 415-882-9440 instead.
From: jis@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (jishnu.mukerji)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: London Subway Pass - Zone 1
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:03:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsj.1992Oct1.220306.20689
Organization: AT&T

In article <Bv5rHz.KIr@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> laura@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Laura M. Edwards) writes:
>In article <RBS.92Sep25134113@mink.uk.ac.ed.aisb> rbs@aisb.ed.ac.uk writes:
>-Also I think there are restrictions on Travelcards
>-that they can't be used during morning rush hour
>-(or there are Peak and Off Peak tickets, can't remember).
>-
>One day Travelcards are good after 9:30 am and until the line closes.

You can get Peak and Offpeak one day Travelcards. The Offpeak ones are
valid after 9:30am and are considerably cheaper than the Peak ones
which are valid all day. I used both varieties (on different days of
course) week before last. Another neat thing about Travelcards is that
they are also valid on Network SouthEast Suburban Trains after some
time in the morning (I forget what time).

Jishnu Mukerji
jis@usl.com
From: "Gil C. Cruz" <gil@thumper.bellcore.com>
Subject: Looking for vacation lake town in NY
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 12:25:54 GMT

We're interested in finding a quaint town on a lake in NY, perhaps
something on Lake Champlain.  We have discovered Essex, NY 
which is just about perfect although we would like something a little
closer to New Jersey.  If you're not familiar with Essex, it is a small
town, quite old it seems, not too many houses, a bunch of year round
residents.  There is a ferry that runs between it and Vermont.
It's right on the lake with views of the mountains in Vermont.
Anyone know of similar towns further south?  Thanks.
gil

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis)
Subject: Re: Driving from San Fran to Las Vegas
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date:  1 Oct 92 23:17:26 GMT

kmludvic@eos.ncsu.edu (@color(DarkViolet)@b(@large(@i(The Admiral)))) writes:

>I hope you have fun I really LOVE the West coast and was just out to Frisco 
>this past spring!


   I'm terribly sorry, but you must have been mistaken.  There exists no
locality by that name in the state of California.  I can assure you in
fact that you may examine the entire state inch by inch with a
magnifying glass and will not uncover so much as an abandoned village
with that name.  Perhaps you ended up in Texas or Florida by mistake.

                      Archly,

                               Jon (Native Californian)