From: lib1p@jane.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.religion.misc,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: did I like miss your point?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 22:42 CST
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In article <1993Jan5.190522.12770@dcs.warwick.ac.uk>, simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Simon Clippingdale) writes...
>livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes (of Madalyn Murray O'Hair):
> 
>>> I still don't see anything that would justify a charge of
>>> imposing her will on anyone.
>>>
>>> jon
> 
>lib1p@jane.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
> 
>> You wouldn't.
>>
>> I don't say that to inflame anyone.  Fact is, you're as fanatical about
>> O'Hair as fundies are about Xtianity.
>>
>> Come back when you've opened up your mind enough to discuss it and not make
>> stupid jokes out of peoples comments.
>>
>> Tammy
> 
> 
>Well, this kind of outburst is all too reminiscent of a recent thread and
>is exactly the distinguishing feature of a closed-minded fanatic in my book.
> 
>Mr Livesey asks you to justify your unsupported assertion that Ms O'Hair
>imposes her will on anybody (having made the rather reasonable argument
>that lobbying legislatures is normal democratic process and can't be
>termed imposition of will), and in response you accuse him of the very
>conduct which you so signally exhibit yourself, viz:
> 
>Don't address the point, just dismiss it with an admirably closed-minded,
>not to say unjustified ad hominem "You wouldn't."

Yes, you are right.  

However, when I start to discuss a topic, and all the
other person does is pick something out of an example, twist it up, blow it
all out of proportion, and then not address my statement....in fact, totally
ignore my statement......then I am not
likely to want to logically argue any other further statements made by this 
person.  Why should I waste my time?

You obviously missed the post to which I am referring.

Or are you as "dense" as Jon?


> 
>Accuse Mr Livesey, without any grounds as far as I can see, of being a
>fanatical O'Hairist, closed-minded and the author of `stupid jokes' which
>I must somehow have missed.

No shit!

You obviously are not as "dense" as Jon or else you would not have
caught on to the fact that you missed something.  Perhaps, if there were
questions in your mind you should have just stated so.

> 
>Perhaps you should consider accusing Stephen Doe of having an emotional
>attachment to Christianity (one of my recent favourites).

Who?  And why would I care?

> 
>Before you tell me that I obviously sleep regularly with Ms O'Hair, 

Why would I do that....you are not talking about O'Hare...you are talking
about Jon and Me....and you sure don't sleep with me.....:)


>...........let
>me say that I am quite prepared to believe that she *is* a fanatic, having
>heard various unflattering things about her from within the atheist ranks.

And....

> 
>But you need to offer some *evidence* that it is so, and you need to deal
>effectively with legitimate criticism such as Mr Livesey's looks like for
>all the world to me.

Please refer to my post before this one where I do discuss this.

At the beginning of this thread, Jon stated something along the lines that
I should read her stuff and see her speak.....I have.....it is from this
that I have formed an opinion of her.  This is my opinion.  I do not expect
anyone to agree with it.

I also stated to Jon that, I didn't know where he lived, but where I do she
has gone quite far in attempting to impose her will on an area of the 
country that has VERY DEEP religious roots....to the point moving out of the
realm of government and into public and private sectors.  When I showed an
example of how deeply rooted Xtianity was here, he picked up on the example
and made some stupid crack.  

It is at this point that I ceased carrying on the discussion and told him
to come back later when he is willing to discuss the subject.  This is
where you piped in ... obviously not knowing the history of this discussion.

I am not going to repeat my previous post.  Backtrack and find it.

Tell me Simon, in the same situation, would YOU be willing to carry on 
the discussion?

Tammy


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