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From: txa95@isuvax.iastate.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:36:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Oct9.213619.5398
Reply-To: txa95@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa

In <1992Oct9.184054.6074@odin.corp.sgi.com> yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang) writes:

>In article <1992Oct9.174235.9024@news.iastate.edu>,
>txa95@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>|> In <1992Oct9.163201.19625@odin.corp.sgi.com> yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu
>Chang) writes:
>|> 
>|> >In article <BvtzKu.1n5@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli
>|> >Pan) writes:
>|> 
>|> >|> About one month ago someone was kindly enough to post the result of math
>|> >|> Olympic, but unfortunately I didn't see any one from the 30% education
>|> >|> budget place. Something got to be wrong.
>|> 
>|> >May be that something went wrong was 30% education budget was spent evenly
>|> >among the students. Take ROC's living standard into consideration, the
>|> >tuition and fees for public and private universities is almost nothing.
>|> 
>|> >Anyone who wants to go to college and passes the test can go.
>|> >No matter how poor you are, no matter what your background is red or black.
>|> 
>|> It is the same in mainland China. Anyone who wants to go to college
>and passes
>|> the test can go. No matter how poor you are, no matter what background you
>|> have. Plus, there is absolutely no tuition in China!!! "red or black"
>has not
>|> been a factor in college admission in China for more than 10 years. It is
>|> interesting to see people from Taiwan always think the current China as the
>|> China in Culture Revolution. What causes that?

>I did not accuse china of anything. All I said was what taiwan does.
>So, it was great that china has a better system than that of ten years ago.

>It is interesting to see people from china always being so defensive of the
>faults they had in the past or they have now. What causes that?

I was not defending anything. I was just telling the fact.

If you insist I was defending China, my answer to your "What causes that?" is: 

   Yes, China has a lot of faults, but very often not as described by people
   abroad, who are misinformed by media/government/liars from China 
   intentionally or unintentionally. That's why some people from China like 
   to point out the truth.

I remember sometime before somebody posted an article, saying that Taiwan's
economy miracle was boosted by billions of US aid. Quite some Taiwanese
argued about this point, stated some fact. That's the way how people get
to understand each other and reduce hostility.
From: yfeng@tssmed.hsc.usc.edu (Jeffrey Feng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Teaching in China:Info needed
Date: 9 Oct 1992 15:21:22 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: tssmed.hsc.usc.edu

In article <BvtI9v.L14@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wallace@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ranger) writes:
>I am looking for information that could help me find a job in China
>to teach english?  Does any one out there have info they could send me.
>I would like to thank you in advance.

In China, English is taught in universities as well as in specialized language
colleges. In the specialized language institutes, the emphasis in on language
teaching and research whereas in universities languages are taught as optional
courses, although in most universities they also have language departments.
The graduates from specialized language institutes usually work as 
translators, interpretors in different government ministries, companies, and
tourist agencies, etc. Some of the graduates may also pursue other careers
such as business, foreign trade, economics, or foregn relations, etc. In
general, students in language institutes receive more rigorous training
and proactice of the language so that by graduation time they can speak and
write the language they learn very well.

In universities, language teaching is a subordinate subject. Students majoring
in other subjects learn a foreigh language as a means by which they may
pursue graduate studies overseas. So English is such a hot subject that
everyone wants to learn it.

So what kind of institutions do you want to work with?
Here is some info you may need:
You may directly contact the institutions you want to apply for English
teaching position. Or you may contact the Foreign Expert Beaurou in
different places. Please send your resume also.

Here are some institutions you may be interested:
1. School of Western Languages
   Department of English
   Beijing University

2. Department of English
   Beijing Foreign Languages Institute

3. Department of English
   Beijing Second Foreign Languages Institute

3. Department of English
   Beijing Normal University

4. Department of English
   Shanghai Foreign Languages Institute

5. Department of English
   Xian Foreign Languages Institute
  
In the past five years, China has implemented a zip code system like that
of the U.S., but I think if you send correspondence to the above places
the post office will be able to deliver them. However, you'd better
use detailed addresses if you can find out from your university libraries.

Good luck!! 
To apply for a position to
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: txa95@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Reply-To: txa95@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:42:35 GMT

In <1992Oct9.163201.19625@odin.corp.sgi.com> yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang) writes:

>In article <BvtzKu.1n5@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli
>Pan) writes:

>|> About one month ago someone was kindly enough to post the result of math
>|> Olympic, but unfortunately I didn't see any one from the 30% education
>|> budget place. Something got to be wrong.

>May be that something went wrong was 30% education budget was spent evenly
>among the students. Take ROC's living standard into consideration, the
>tuition and fees for public and private universities is almost nothing.

>Anyone who wants to go to college and passes the test can go.
>No matter how poor you are, no matter what your background is red or black.

It is the same in mainland China. Anyone who wants to go to college and passes
the test can go. No matter how poor you are, no matter what background you
have. Plus, there is absolutely no tuition in China!!! "red or black"  has not
been a factor in college admission in China for more than 10 years. It is
interesting to see people from Taiwan always think the current China as the
China in Culture Revolution. What causes that?
From: qinyi@uk.ac.man.cs (Yi Qin (BCW PhD))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Where are the Japanese?
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:27:31 GMT
Organization: University of Manchester, UK
In-reply-to: zzhang@electron.rutgers.edu's message of 8 Oct 92 03:44:18 GMT


>Looking at the names of posters, I am suprised to see that very small
>percentage of people who post in this group are Japanese. Why is this?
>Where are the Japanese?

They are in soc.culture.japan, if there is one.
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:22:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.Bvv1DA.FE5
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Oct7.182231.2149@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:
>
>Don't worry, as long as there are people with Chinese heart, China will
>be there. Simply look back 5000 years of history.

Running a government is of no difference from running a business.
You hurt one person, if this person is timid or simply powerless,
he will have no choice but to knee. Then you hurt a generation,
they will scorn at you. There will be new borns. It takes time for
the new born to grow up. But if the government is not changing,
most probably you will hurt new generation again.

Heart is the most tender part of the body. You can hurt it without
even touch it, not to mention hit by bullet or "hot staff (re4
jia1 huo)" of our Vice President Wang Zheng.

You attitude is very much like China's state run business. Who cares
about you customers. As long as I am here, the business is running.
But the business is going to doom if there is a competition. When 
people find a good place to live, they don't want to come back and
suffer. It is just so natural.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wallace@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ranger)
Subject: Teaching in China:Info needed
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:32:16 GMT

I am looking for information that could help me find a job in China
to teach english?  Does any one out there have info they could send me.
I would like to thank you in advance.
			  -Matthew-University of Illinois-

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From: szhang@bcm.tmc.edu (Shide Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Info needed!
Date: 11 Oct 1992 03:11:11 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: bcm.tmc.edu
Keywords: lao2 wu4 shu1 chu1

One of my friends, who is now in china,  is trying to come to the US as lao2
wu4 shu1 chu1 (labour export? Sorry I don't know how to translate) and she
ask for my help, but I know nothing about lao2 wu4 shu1 chu1. Can someone
send me info about it. The questions I need to ask are below:

1. What's the formal(official) English tranlation for lao2 wu4 shu1 chu1?

2. What kind of visa my friend should apply for.

3. What's the general procedure for such an application and documents
required.

4. My friend is a chef qualified as chef class C ( san1 ji2 chu2 shi1) in
China, if someone on the net or someone you know has the same background
as my friend and has come to the US as lao2 wu4 shu1 chu1, please share
your or your friend's experience with my friend, she needs it badly!

5. As a friend who is willing to help her to make her dreams come true,
what can I do for her? Any suggestions? (I am a J-1 holder)

6. I was told that the first step is to find an employer who's about to
hire you and ask the employer to write an invitation. My question is what
kind employer we should seek for so that his/her invitation will not be
easily ignored by the government (Chinese and American)

Any information will be greatly appreciated!

szhang@bcm.tmc.edu
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Qin Kuai (Re: Oct 1, our National Day)
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:56:01 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers

jamesou@liverbug.hsc.usc.edu (James Ou) writes:
> ... Apparently, my ancestors hated
> "Qin2 Kuai4" and his wife so much that they put two flour sticks
> together to symbolize the couple and deep-fried them. ...

I heard the story when I was young. It never occurs to me that why
his wife is involved in this case. Maybe his wife is like Nancy Reagan?
Also, considering his statue in those days, QK must have concubines,
right? Now how come they are not put together in the YouTiao?

Steven
------
328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: vli@mpr.ca (Vincent Li)
Subject: Re: Traditional vs Simplified Characters
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 22:39:17 GMT

In article <mvdvalk.719227962@bosporus> mvdvalk@cs.utwente.nl (Martijn van der Valk) writes:
>All I asked for, was one valid reason for using jiantizi. I got the following
>arguments:
>
>	o  The world is constantly changing, so why not change the script?
>
>	o  Only 'snob. monks' can learn fantizi. The people had better learn
>	   jiantizi.
>
>I do not consider those arguments valid by any standard.
>
jiantizi is a "labour saving" device. There are less strokes to write and is
quite convenient when you are in a hurry (or even if you are not). The
comparison should really be made between the written English script and the
printed type fonts.

-- Vince

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vli@mprgate.mpr.ca        |-) It works well under pressure: Another thing
                          |-] you can say about your pillow. -- Mr Boffo
From: U16788@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Can you find any error here? (Was: Improve your English)
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:22:19 GMT
 <9210071720.AA06907@einstein.physics.buffalo.edu>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

:-)   ------>   :-(
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: eluo@engr.latech.edu (Erming Luo)
Subject: Who is from Hefei,Anhui?
Keywords: 
          Is there anybody from city of Hefei,Anhui
 
          or Hefei University of Technology? 
Reply-To: eluo@engr.latech.edu
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:53:07 GMT

          Looking for your responding my friends.

          Erming Luo From LA Tech. 10/13/92
From: AXP900@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Chinese Student Protection Act
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:12:36 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

I just finished reading the text of the Chinese Student Protection Act.  I
have a suspicion that this is a political football.  The catch in the Act
is that the President can at any time before July 1, 1993 deem it safe for
the citizens of the PRC to return to China and the act is null and void.  This
is great, President Bush can have a hay-day about his record on Human Rights,
(after he took a beating in the last debate over the Eagleburger-Skowcroft
visit in July 1989 he needs something.) and in June 1993 or January 19, 1993
if he wants to, he can please his old buddies in Beijing and declare it
safe to return.  What a sweet deal for everyone...except of course all of
the soon-to-be-unemployed Students and Scholars who have their precious green
cards but NO JOBS, that is of course if the US Government can still remember
four years ago when TAM happened.  Think twice, as the old addage goes..
"Don't count your chickens (or PR's) until they hatch."  and that will be
in July 1993.


Wade Sheen
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: A statement on who paid for my effort
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:03:00 GMT

So far, all the 9201 effort is completely paid by myself.  I did not ask
for any donation from our 9201 colleagues or the Chinese government or
the Chinese people.  Since I love the Chinese people so much, I just 
use whatever energy/resource I have to keep the effort going.

However, I have never said that I hated the USA as a country.  The US is
a young, promising country.  I just hate some dirty politicians in the US, 
just like I hate those blood carders.

I have no official relationship with any government agency in China.  However,
since the Chinese government employees are part of the Chinese people, and
since I love the Chinese people so much, I do have considerable contacts with
various types of the Chinese people out there in China.

John Cornett made a good point: most of the Americans are not rude.  Because
they are people.  Similarly, I can tell the world that the majority Chinese
people are not as terrible as those Chinese students in the US--refugees are
refugees!

With people, you always win; against people, you always lose.  History has 
proven this.  It is my firm belief that those students' political life is 
dead--how can people find a dancing stage for refugees?  Currently those
students are used by some dirty US politicians as political tools.  But tools
are tools.  Moreover, in the future, they even do not have a chance to sell 
themselves as tools.  For example, after Deng Xiaoping dies (should be very 
soon), if the Shannon Yeh compatibles control the Chinese government, those 
students will have nothing to sell in the US!  My friends and I do NOT care 
the China/US relationship when principles are violated--anywhere they like--
go to Vietnam again? fine; go to Korea again, fine; or even go to the desert,
we would Fong4Pei2 Dao4Di3!

To those students, please do NOT tell me how great you are--how come you
are refugees now?

To the US government, if they think that those blood carders can really 
influence anyone in China, they are desperately wrong!

shannon
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu)
Subject: Re: New topic: What do you eat and how do you prepare your food?
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 04:24:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.025441.4895@cbfsb.cb.att.com> wa2ise@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (robert.f.casey) writes:
>In article <liqiang.718248207@kramden> liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li) writes:
>>eat? How do u prepare your food? How long does it usu take u to prepare
>>your dinner?
>>
>>I'd like to welcome comments from everybody: Chinese, non-Chinese. My under-
>>standing is that most people do some cooking. 
>
>I'm just an ordinary generic white American, and I never cook.  Don't even
>have any food in my apartment.  I always eat at: Company cafeteria, McDonalds,
>Other resturants if with friends, or eat at my parent's house when I'm 
>visiting there.  I moved a few months ago to this apartment; I haven't even
>figured out where the supermarkets around here are.  
>Please note that most American males are not taught how to cook (in school,
>or at home).  
>I know that one could save some money by cooking, and not eating out, but
>I don't want to go to that much trouble and also don't want to deal
>with the yucky mess to clean up afterwards.  
>===========================================================================
>499.99 years ago, Columbus discovered America.

   Hi, I guess you would change your mind when you get married.
   You will help your wife in the kitchen. If you became a father,
   you will cook or prepare meals for your children because no dadies
   would like to see their sweets yelling for hungry. Cooking is not
   really hard work (sometimes depends on what kind of dishes you
   want to cook). Even you would find cooking is  enjoyable at  
   leisure time.  It's something enjoy life?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
Subject: Re: Tuition from Parents (was Re: Fax to Mr. Bush ...)
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:51:41 GMT

In article <92Oct15.043957.26096@acs.ucalgary.ca> zhangy@enel.ucalgary.ca (Yuejin Zhang) writes:
>Let's look at the question in another way:
>
>1) One has owned tuition to Chinese people  20,000 Yun/MSc ?
>2) Studing in the west, he has owned more tuition to XXX people
>   (Putting the number here for goverment subsidies YYY /PhD).
>
>Now, he has two debts to serve ... .... There seems some problem
>to reason along this line. 
>
>-- 
>    Yuejin Zhang	zhangy@enel.ucalgary.ca

The word "owe" is not a very good one. As mentioned earlier, Chinese
college students are part of Chinese people. The connection between
the Chinese college students and all Chinese people is more than money.
The reason for us to discuss the source of the education support, is
simply recall some fact. No one tells anyone to pay the debt. 
What anyone wants to do is all up to this person. The fact is onthing
more than fact.

Talking about PhD study here, the research done by the graduate student
covers the cost for the student. The graduate students here are 
far low underpaid. This should be a well known fact.
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:49:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.Bvv2nB.Gy4
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Oct9.011419.110867@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mj05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MO JIANCHENG) writes:
>
>Who are the D-fighters? The Garbage? I do have a question why someone
>is always shouting "6.4". I took pat in the whole thing in that time,
>but by now, I don't have anythng to say. I understand  our
>government, it made some mistakes, but it did the right thing in 6.4.
>Blood came out of our bodies, only we have the right to say! 

You have to prove that either you or your family were shot in
6.4 before you have the right to say so. My opinion is that even
your family member was shot, you still have no right to say so.
Only the one who was shot can say so. Of course, most of them
can say nothing anymore.

It is my belief that it is unjust for those people who died in 6.4.
They certainly deserve an apology, if not a revenge. I don't
think history should forget this infamous massacre.

>Think about it, the killing was done by two groups, the first is the 
>D-fighters. Personally, I hate the D-frighters, they sold us, all the 
>pure students, to get some .....? Anyone fires at me? If you were in 
>hundreds of thousand miles away in that time, please shut up!

That is your emotion, but not logical. I don't think you can prove
that the killing was done by two groups. At least we didn't see
the bullet from the other group. Your statement is a speculation
and is not supported by evidence, therefore has no merit.

D-fighters did not sell you. They are just like you, ordinary people.
They were as powerless as you. They wished they could do something,
but they couldn't. They were in hundreds of thousands miles away,
therefore their support to you should be appreciated. You are not
going to abuse the sympathy of the world, aren't you?
From: jtang@hardy.u.washington.edu (J. Tang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Forward: Shen Tong?
Date: 10 Oct 92 06:21:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct10.062134.5457
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <9210100527.AA10189@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> phsjjc@emrycc.cc.emory.edu (JAMES J. CEN) writes:

[Stuff about Shen Tong and the outcome of the Protection Bill deleted.]

>	AHKCUS did not bring this issue up during the lobby efforts of IFCSS
>for fear of jeopardizing the passage of the Protection Bill.  

Is this your conjecture, or are you speaking for AHKCUS? I don't even
think you are a member of AHKCUS, let alone the speaker for the
organization. Please be clear next time, for the sake of that respectable
organization.

1) Shen Tong's act and whether it was irresponsible etc were brought up
   in some local media during the lobbying.

2) No matter what Shen Tong's motivation was, the fact remains that he
   is an oversea CSS going back and got arrested. That motivation has no
   relation with the passage of the bill, but the fact does.

J. Tang
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27939 soc.culture.hongkong:12587 soc.culture.taiwan:14406
From: chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: "Get out of the way :-)"    (Was: Re: SURVEY)
Date: 15 Oct 92 06:10:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.Bw5Fss.Is3
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung) writes:
>However, simply because of past disagreement with Matloff, I don't think
>it warrant the kind of suspcion you have.
>
>Just couldn't help thinking of the saying: lead, follow or get out of
>the way.  
>
>C.W.Chung       Objectivity Inc.      Object DBMS (ODBMS)   Tel: 415/688-8023

While most people see SC{C,T,HK} as discussion groups which provide
people with fora to talk about things back home. There was,
unfortunately, one person who used to treat these groups as some kind
of battle ground, complete with conspiracy and strategies.

When such a person suddenly re-appears and offers a service to the
netters, one can not help but ask: Why? why is s/he doing this?

I am willing to believe that, by some miracle, such a person can suddenly
become a saint. That is why I am still wating for a straight answer.  

Talking about "get out of the way", please remember my question was
directed to someone else, not to you, Mr/s. Chung.

Now would you, Mr/s. Chung, "get out of the way" please? :-)