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From: pcl@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul Chiao Liu)
Subject: Ding resistance of 26x1.4" tires?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 19:54:41 GMT

Hi,
I've been thinking of switching from Ritchey Quad 1.9" tires on my mtb
to a narrower, lighter, road-style tire, maybe a Ritchey Tom Slick 1.4".

My question here concerns rim dings.  How hard can you ride 1.4" tires
without getting dings?  Is pumping them up to max pressure (maybe 90-100
psi) sufficient to avoid dings on curbs, large potholes, or when offroad
traversing small rocks or ruts? Does it almost guarantee no dings? I
weight about 150 lbs, in case that matters, and carry another 10-15 lbs.
of water, tools, food, etc. typically, and I'm not especially a
"power" mountain biker, hanging air, or anything like that.

I'm probably being paranoid, but I do like the security of knowing that
a 1.9" tire pumped up to 70-80 lbs. will keep my rims round and smooth if
I happen to not see something. The reason I'm thinking of switching is
that a lot of my riding is on-road, but I still like taking the odd
detour.

I'm sure if you're really careful you can avoid these problems (like all
those off-road roadies), but I'm just curiously as to what the likelihood
of a ding is when you can't avoid obstacles.

Thanks.  Email or posting is fine. Hope you feel this is the right
newsgroup. Posting guidlines seem to suggest that.

Paul Liu
pcl@power.stanford.edu

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: dangold1@iastate.edu (Daniel M Goldman)
Subject: neck ache/recumbents
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:22:50 GMT

I caught a comment in the neck ache debate about an FAQ (?) 
on recumbents.  Can anybody tell me what this stands for,
what it is, and how to participate?  
  You can e-mail or post your answer(s).  thanks -DmG

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul J. Schinder)
Subject: Re: r.b.mtb???????????????????????????????????
Followup-To: news.groups
Reply-To: schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 01:45:13 GMT

In <1992Aug27.011949.9971@cc.umontreal.ca> cholette@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Cholette Martin) writes:


> What about rec.bicycles.mtb???  ('nuf said!)

What about it?  If you (collectively, those of you who've been posting
about since the vote results were announced) want it, one of you get a
copy of the USENET guidelines and go through the RFD/CFV/vote process.
Just like Les and Bruce did for the new hierarchy.

And move further discussion of this to news.groups (where followups
are directed).

>Michael Bertrand, TKE, KX.
>Share the Trails... Peace on Dirt!
>cholette@jsp.umontreal.ca
--
--------
Paul J. Schinder
NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Saddle sores
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 04:08:23 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: rec.bicycles.misc

On one of my earlier rides this year I managed to get an
entire double string of saddle sores. They took a couple
of months to get over. 

Originally I tried treating them with antibiotic ointment.
This only worked to a point. Then I tried always riding
with talcum powder. This finally worked or else time took
care of the problem.

So: does anyone have a better cure for saddle sores?

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.tech
From: mmf@evolving.com (Mark Frazier)
Subject: Re: Cycling Gives Me A Neck Ache -- Recommendations??
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:40:21 GMT
Organization: Evolving Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker) writes:
: >In article <1992Aug25.012051.18138@indetech.com> lzs@indetech.com writes:
: 
: >>   I have a problem that is interfering with my enjoyment of cycling. If
: >>   I cycle for more than about 2 hours, my neck and (esp) shoulder muscles
: >>   start to KILL me!! And for the next several days, I have to take anti-
: >>   inflammatories and pain killers. Not good!!!
: 
: 
:  Additionally, I have found that behind the neck lat pulldowns have strengthen-
: ed muscles in the upper back/neck area. I _think_ this has also helped my
: former problem. It certainly hasn't hurt as I very rarely have pain in this
: area anymore.

Lat pull downs are designed to develop lat muscles, the ones which give
the inverted triangle look when you work out alot. The muscle you really
want to concentrate on is the trapezius (sp?). The muscle(s) which span
between your shoulder blades and up to your neck. Lat pull downs only work
these minimally. Two better exercises would be:

	1) standing shoulder shrugs with dumbbells. Hold heavy (I use at least
		55 lbs) dumbells on each side, and raise up your shoulders, keeping
		your arms straight. In other words, shrug your shoulders. For quick
		development, do double sets. That is, one set with heavy, then reduce
		weight by ~33% and do another set IMMEDIATELY. These are not very
		fun to do.

	2) standing upright rows. While standing, hold a curl bar (with weights!)
		with your hands close together and palms turned toward you. Lift the
		curl bar until the backs of your hands touch your chin.

	You'll know immediately which muscle is getting worked.

More importantly, have you considered going to a chiropracter first?

MMF
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld)
Subject: Re: Hints on commuting by bike?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:15:21 GMT

In article <ldnyytc@rpi.edu> garrem@aix.rpi.edu (Matthew Olsen Garretson) writes:
>The place I work doesn't have a shower or locker room, but I still want to
>commute by bicycle. Are any of you in the same situation? If so, how do you
>handle it?  Do you ride dressed for work or do you change in the bathroom?
>How do you handle being sweaty from the ride?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Matt
>-- 
>Matt Garretson                       :-)                          garrem@rpi.edu


When I faced this problem, I carried with me a change of clothes and a
wash kit; I then went through the sort of sink-sponge-bath routine
that those staying in Europe's cheaper hotels will be familiar with.

Suits, and the like, can often be stored at work; same for grown-up
shoes.
-- 
Michael Feld                         | E-mail:  <feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
Dept. of Philosophy                  | FAX:     (204) 261-0021
University of Manitoba               | Voice:   (204) 474-9136
Winnipeg, MB, R3T 2M8, Canada	                     
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: ncherry@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (neil j.cherry)
Subject: Riding a MTB in sand
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:39:52 GMT

(Sorry if this is the wrong place, but just say where and I'll move it there.)

How does one ride a MTB through sand? I have a Schwinn High Plains with 2.0"
tires and I lowered the pressure to about 25#s. I can get the front tire to
go exactly where I want, but the rear tire squiggles. If I back off the
power I stall, if I add more power I spin and sqiggle. I could walk, but that
defeats the purpose of cycling ;-}.

NJC

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: robertb@kronecker.mit.edu (Robert Becker)
Subject: Re: MTB: Re: Frequency of flats
Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics, Cambridge, MA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 13:18:41 GMT

>In article <JYM.92Sep1182448@remarque.mica.berkeley.edu> jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:
>>=o= Since putting Mr Tuffys in my tires three years ago, I have
>>had only one flat, and that was from a 1.5" nail that somebody
>>had left pointing upwards in my path.
>>    <_Jym_>
>
In article <1992Sep2.151434.11832@panther.mot.com> ronf@panther3.panther.mot.com (Ron Feigen) writes:
>Do these tire liners add a lot of weight/rolling resistance? 
>

No, they don't add a lot.  Each weighs about 1/4 pound, which to me
-- 

---------------
Robert Becker, Secretary, 2-332      Dept. of Mathematics, MIT
Cambridge, MA  02139-4307            (617)253-1797
From: galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon)
Subject: Re: Philadelphia gets bicycle cops.
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 22:09:33 GMT
Organization: Connemara - Computing for People
Keywords: Yay!
X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.0.1 12/13/89)
Status: OR

In article <l4gnrvc@lynx.unm.edu> samjones@carina.unm.edu (Pipps the Odious Mr.) writes:
>
>	Albuquerque has four bicycle cops (one is dating my neighbor, so 
>they're around my house a lot).  I was skeptical at first, but it seems 
>to be doing well.  Like Philidelphia, we started with four, but I heard 
>we're training eight more.
>	If bike police are doing well here, they must work well
>anywhere.  Albuquerque is anything but a bike town.  They're a really
>good idea in the big eastern cities.

The bike cops in ABQ tend to operate in the most pedestrian and traffic
intensive parts of town - the university area, the 'old town' plaza
(historic & tourist trap), and downtown.  They are very mobile & pretty
visible, and appear to be a lot more approachable and human than a cop
in a car.  (but they don't have the high point-of-view that a cop on a
horse has - horses are good in crowds for that reason.)

I have had the dubious pleasure of having a bike cop do an ID check on
me - while I was in my car!  He spotted an expired registration sticker,
watched me drive around the plaza & park, and pedalled over to check my
paperwork. (MVD had failed to send a new sticker - he let me go when he
saw the emissions test receipt :-) - nice guy, & very professional.)

Other nice touches - each bike cop has a regular police car, with a
rear-mount bike rack - so they can work the tourist area in the
afternoon and easily migrate to the university area after dark. 

Using a car as well as a bike may seem wierd, but it works out that they
use the bike to patrol the beat, and the car to do paperwork, commute,
and whatever - secure and transport suspects, I guess. (commute? - we
have a pretty successful take-home cop car policy here - having one
driver per car quadruples vehicle longevity.)

I've seen a bike cop's car with their bike secured in the back seat
- which is set up as a mini holding cell & is thus hard to get into
(well, out of anyway) - and I've seen three cop bikes parked in a large
entryway of a restaurant - locked up with handcuffs! :-)

--
Denis  McKeon                            Good.   Fast.   Cheap.
galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu                       Pick two.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: etxorst@eos.ericsson.se (Torsten Lif)
Subject: Re: Recumbents (was Re: Cycling Gives Me A N
Reply-To: etxorst@eos.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 10:43:30 GMT

In article 27978@panix.com, dfl@panix.com (Danny O'Bedlam) writes:
>	Yes, I mean how well cars can see me.  On the bike I have today I
>sit above the auto drivers line of sight, but lower than LOS of most
>truck drivers.  Different recumbents Ive seen situate the rider at different
>heights.  Of course I would prefer to go for one that is higher.  Height 
>seems somewhat dependent on the width of the rear wheel.  I would insist on
>having a wheel nearly the same size as I use now.  I need more information,
>however, until I become comfortable (dont know if I made that clear in my
>previous post) with recumbents, not to mention riding them s'more.

A "racing" recumbent which is designed for minimum aero drag will use
small wheels and place you at a next-to-flat-on-your-back position.
Other than to provide a maximum ludicrocity factor, this does little to
improve your visibility (nor vision). A 'bent designed for "real-life"
riding is different, though. Your head is then no lower than it would
be if you rode an upright bike with the most extreme kind of aero bars.
Of course, on the upright, your rear would then be higher than your
head which could arguably lead to better visibility, but all-in-all the
'bent is easily as visible as an upright.

Of course, another question is if you REALLY want to be more visible,
given the kind of attention some have reported from beer-chucking
rednecks. :-(

>***********************************************************************
>* Danny O'Bedlam  = dfl@panix.com = cmcl2!panix!dfl = Danny Lieberman *
>* PO Box 3131 Church St Station, New Yawk, New Yawk, 10008-3131 (usa) *
>***********************************************************************

---
 Torsten Lif
 Ericsson Telecom AB, EO/ETX/TX/AD
 S-126 25  STOCKHOLM, SWEDEN
 Phone: +46 8 719 4881

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: les@sail.stanford.edu (Les Earnest)
Subject: Grumble!
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organizatoin
Distribution: rec.bicycles.misc
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 23:21:50 GMT

The new r.b.* newsgroups are all functioning well except this one,
which many people seem to be treating as the replacement for the old
rec.bicycles.  For example, I find multiple postings on the following
misplaced threads.

  Discussions of chamois shorts and certain bicycle brands (both new
    and old), which should be in rec.bicycles.marketplace.

  "Traffic rules" and "Ignorant cyclists" are grist for rec.bicycles.soc,
    not this group.  In fact, some of the "Traffic rules" discussion
    has correctly moved there, leaving this disconnected segment behind.

Instead of blindly posting followups, please direct your postings to
the right newsgroup.  If you feel compelled to leave a trail, cross
post your article to both the correct group and the preceding one,
fill in the "Followup-to:" field with the new newsgroup, and mention
the move in the text of your article.

I'm happy to see that the split is generally working, but please don't
assume that "misc" is for discussing any miscellaneous topic -- just
those that are not covered elsewhere.

In case you haven't seen the r.b charters yet, here they are again.

---------------------------

rec.bicycles.marketplace: Bicycles, components, ancillary equipment and
services wanted or for sale, reviews of such things, places to buy
them, and evaluations of these sources.  Not for discussion of general
engineering, maintenance, or repair -- see rec.bicycles.tech.

rec.bicycles.tech: Techniques of engineering, construction, maintenance
and repair of bicycles and ancillary equipment.  Not for products or
services offered or wanted -- see rec.bicycles.marketplace.

rec.bicycles.rides: Discussions of tours and training or commuting routes.
Not for disussion of general riding techniques -- see rec.bicycles.misc.

rec.bicycles.soc: Social issues, cycling transportation advocacy,
laws, conduct of riders and drivers; road hazards such as potholes,
dogs, and sociopaths.

rec.bicycles.racing: Race results, racing techniques, rules, and
organizations.  Not racing equipment -- see rec.bicycles.marketplace
or rec.bicycles.tech.

rec.bicycles.misc: General riding techniques, rider physiology,
injuries and treatment, diets, and other cycling topics.

--
Les Earnest                                  Phone:  415 941-3984
Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
From: hoppe@cs.cornell.edu (Bruce E. Hoppe)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Saddle sores
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:50:28 GMT
Distribution: rec.bicycles.misc
Organization: Cornell University, CS Dept., Ithaca, NY

Thomas H. Kunich writes:

|> Originally I tried treating them with antibiotic ointment.
|> This only worked to a point. Then I tried always riding
|> with talcum powder. This finally worked or else time took
|> care of the problem.
|> 
|> So: does anyone have a better cure for saddle sores?

My best cure for chronic saddle sores was to use real chamois shorts,
cleaned after every ride, with chamois cream applied before every ride.
Applying chamois cream to the sores also seemed to help when I used
synthetic chamois shorts.
   It was several years ago, but I think I also once had excellent
results using A&D ointment on a set of saddle sores...

Bruce Hoppe
hoppe@cs.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.tech,rec.bicycles
From: biswick@ms.uky.edu (Chad Hall)
Subject: Re: Wheel truing I need advice
    <1684E807F.M23231@mwvm.mitre.org> 
    <1992Aug25.200946.15374@samba.oit.unc.edu>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:59:26 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

Richard.Banks@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Richard Banks) writes:


>I need both my front and rear wheels trued on my 18-speed 26 in.
>Mountain Bike.  The bike shop charges $4.00 per wheel to do this.
>Is this reasonable?  Are there any home methods that I can use that
>will be effective?  Thanks.

  Four bucks isn't too bad if you don't really have any idea what you are 
doing with a wrench. It's very easy to turn the wrong one and get a flat spot
in your rim. Also, the shops generally have more sophisticated equipment than
the average rider will. I've tried to true a rim with a crescent wrench once 
out in the middle of nowhere, and I'm not looking to repeat that performance
any time soon.

Biswick.
From: sdoran@wyatt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steven Marcotte)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Brake squeal! Auggghhh!
Date: 26 Aug 1992 13:26:10 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: wyatt.ksu.ksu.edu


  I've got Trek 850 that has a very distinct problem.  When ever I apply
the back brake, even slightly, it makes a very loud squealing.  What can
I do to fix this?  Its driving me crazy. 
 
Steven Marcotte
sdoran@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis)
Subject: Re: Hints on commuting by bike?
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 06:04:54 GMT

Sweat is surely one of the biggest bugaboos in North America, we have a
whole industry dedicated to surpressing it (nd possibly giving users a
welcome/unwelcome dose of aluminum).  In any case my philosophy is that
if you don't publically admit to doing it in public no one will no that
you have sweated profusely that day.  Just make sure that there is no
obvious visable salt deposits on your face or glasses (easily
accomplished with a wash cloth), change after you have had some time to
cool down (wear cycle cloths because good clothes can get muddy or
greasy cycling and because cycling wear is generally more comfortable
than buisness clothes).  However even if you can't change, wear your
work clothes and most people will never know.  As for sweat, even at -20
I find it intorlerable to go so slow that I don't.

Robert
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: jblaine@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu (Jeff Blaine)
Subject: Florida State Bike cops
Followup-To:  poster
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Keywords:  cops
Reply-To: jblaine@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University
Distribution:  world
Date: 30 AUG 92 20:23:55    

Just a note because I saw something here about Philly bike cops:
Florida State University has adopted and started using bicycles as a form 
of campus transportation along side the cars they only used previoiusly.
As a wary campus goer, I am quite pleased about this.  The FSU police were 
very restricted while in their cruisers seeing as there are only about 3 
small streets that run through campus.  Now, with the mountain bikes 
purchased, the police may roam as they please, and I think they have fun 
too! :)

I would suggest this to anyone who has any pull with the police on their 
campus, which is any student at any university.  Cruisers just don't cut 
it.

-=jb=-
jblaine@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Hints on commuting by bike?
Date: 27 Aug 1992 15:44:18 GMT
Organization: Rice University, Houston

>In article <ldnyytc@rpi.edu> garrem@aix.rpi.edu (Matthew Olsen
>Garretson) writes: 

>>The place I work doesn't have a shower or locker room, but I still want to
>>commute by bicycle. Are any of you in the same situation? If so, how do you
>>handle it?  Do you ride dressed for work or do you change in the bathroom?
>>How do you handle being sweaty from the ride?

In article <1992Aug27.001159.11425@micor.ocunix.on.ca>
ve3pak@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Alayne McGregor and Brett Delmage) writes: 
>1. Have a shower before you leave home, and use anti-perspirant.

I put more reliance on a good deodorant--stops the growth of the odor
causuing bacteria. 

>2. Ride in comfortable cycling clothes. Carry your work clothes with you.
>   Leave your shoes at work if possible (they're awkward to carry).

I use a trunk rack by Jandd for a rain suit and a pair of street
shoes. 

>3. Do NOT overdress! ...

Amen!!!

>... it is possible to ride in work clothes, ...  

I do and work in an office, so too casual is not an option.

>It becomes more difficult if your commute is over 5km 

I think it depends a great deal on the average daily weather where you
live.  I do it in hot, humid weather (5 mos/yr) at about 8 km.
Anything more and I would resort to cycling clothes and a shower or
your spit bath at the end.  So I think 5 km is a little pessimistic.

>or you're a fast (or sweaty) rider.

I save the fast for the ride home, and sometimes add miles to the
homeward bound leg.  Gives me some more time on the bike, benefits of
exercise, and any other excuse I can come up with to justify being
outside. 

>Personally, I think the worry about perspiration is overdone. 

Again, Amen!



-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: samjones@carina.unm.edu (Pipps the Odious Mr.)
Subject: Re: Recumbents (was Re: Cycling Gives Me A Neck Ache -- Recommendations??)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 21:36:30 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Aug26.035842.17102@panix.com> dfl@panix.com (Danny O'Bedlam) writes:
>
>	Get a recumbent.  I've been thinking a lot about recumbents
>recently, and just this evening tried one out, not exactly the first
>time, but easily the first time without any assistance.  It will be
>better for your neck, and better for your back.  I'm still not sold
>on the VISIBILITY thing, but I need more information.

	Visibility depends on what you mean.  On a recumbent (unless it's REALLY
low profile), the rider's eyes are usually less than half-a-foot lower than they
are on a safety bicycle in tuck-and-roll (tuck-in-roll?) position.  The majority
of the cyclists body is lower, but the rider has his head higher than his body,
rather than at the same elevation.
	If you mean other people seeing you, I'd also say that's not a big 
problem.  I really can't say what recumbents look like to a car -- I don't 
drive -- but it seems that a recumbent would be about as easy to see as a 
safety, easier if you have a flag (which I mean to get some day).  A recumbent
seems much more likely to be noticed by a motorist than a safety bicycle.  I 
know I've had much fewer close calls with cars almost crushing me.
	In short, it's not a problem.
					YOS,
					(Squiggly upside-down-
					rightside-up signature)
					Sam Jones

-- 
	These opinions are not those of my employers.  In fact, they are not 
mine.  They're yours, and you're projecting them on me because you're unable to
take responsibility for your own thoughts.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: wilt@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Scott Michael Wiltamuth)
Subject: Re: Brake squeal! Auggghhh!
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:30:12 GMT

In article <17gic2INN6u2@wyatt.ksu.ksu.edu> sdoran@wyatt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steven Marcotte) writes:
>
>  I've got Trek 850 that has a very distinct problem.  When ever I apply
>the back brake, even slightly, it makes a very loud squealing.  What can
>I do to fix this?  Its driving me crazy. 

Try cleaning your rim with a damp cloth or maybe a little soap.  If you got
any chain lube on the rim, that would definitely result in the squealing
you describe.

--Scott
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.tech