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From: mox@vpnet.chi.il.us (William Moxley)
Subject: Re: THE NEWEST IN SHAREWARE!!
Organization: Vpnet Public Access
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 05:58:56 GMT

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From: robertk@starl.miami.fl.us (Robert Klace)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.ads
Subject: Re: Your one stop GRAPHICS shop!
Date: 7 Jan 93 01:34:40 EST
Organization: Starlight BBS Miami Fl

I for one prefer GIF over most other formats because of it's intersystem
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For that matter, I've even made utilities for proccessing GIF files. Such as to
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many GIF viewers for the Commodore wern't designed following all the standards
for GIF, and thus don't handle EXHD's very well.

Also working on a program to convert interlased GIF's to standard (minus EXHD's
if it had one). 

So yes, people still use GIF. I wish more would!
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From: jk87377@cc.tut.fi (Kouhia Juhana)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.ads,comp.graphics,comp.graphics.animation,comp.sys.amiga.graphics,alt.graphics.pixutils,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Your one stop GRAPHICS shop!
Date: 6 Jan 93 09:27:05 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
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In article <1993Jan5.193218.6394@a.cs.okstate.edu>
jmccorm@a.cs.okstate.edu (MCCORMICK JOSHUA C) writes:
>
>> > Do people use GIF images anymore?  I have gone to JPEG myself with
>> > important 24bit images saved at 100% boosted quality settings.
>
>You bet they do. Outside of the internet world, GIF is still *the* method for
>storing pictures. I hate to start any kind of flame war here, but JPG's a
>a lossy compression method that is often used improperly, resulting in
>pictures with severly butchered quality. 

Even in the Net it is easy to make poor jpeg images.
For example if person use 'xv' to make jpegs from the scanned
images; according to JPEG FAQ article they are 8bit quantized
images, not 24bit images as should be.

That is, even gifs of respectable images are better than xv-made
jpeg images.

xv is very popular viewing program; I wonder why such bad bug
is left to such program. I have contacted to the programmer of xv
on this in hope to get things better.


>For the reasons of conversion time, and quality loss, JPEG will never
>become *the* format for images, IMHO.

It doesn't take very much time to convert jpegs in reasonable
computer.
About the quality: loss of quality in gifs is greater than in jpegs
(this is the fact, not opinion).


Juhana Kouhia
From: gene.frazier@filebank.cts.com (Gene Frazier) 
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.ads
Subject: THE NEWEST IN SHAREWARE!!
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:46:00 GMT
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Subject: Blitzkrieg BBS
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:46:15 GMT

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From: prestonm@cs.man.ac.uk (Martin Preston)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.ads,comp.graphics,comp.graphics.animation,comp.sys.amiga.graphics,alt.graphics.pixutils,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Your one stop GRAPHICS shop!
Date: 6 Jan 93 13:18:45 GMT
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Distribution: inet

In <1ie8l9INNnpd@cc.tut.fi> jk87377@cc.tut.fi (Kouhia Juhana) writes:

>xv is very popular viewing program; I wonder why such bad bug
>is left to such program. I have contacted to the programmer of xv
>on this in hope to get things better.

To be fair to 'xv' it makes it perfectly clear that it is only an 8-bit
piece of software, and never makes any claims about anything else, so its
not really a bug, just not something it tries to do.

On a related note JPEG is a compression method, not an image file format,
so its not likely to become an 'image standard'.
You can compress TIFFs using JPEG compression, but its still a TIFF, not a
JPEG file. In the same way RLE is a simple compression method, not an image
format, even though some programs put out .rle files.

Martin

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From: dejesus@saturn.nwc.navy.mil (Francisco X DeJesus)
Subject: Re: Your one stop GRAPHICS shop!
Organization: Science Applications International Corp.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:55:31 GMT

In article <Ad-Robot.aokv@bobsbox.rent.com> Ad-Robot@bobsbox.rent.com (Robotic Posting Menace) writes:
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From: povlphp@uts.uni-c.dk (Povl H. Pedersen)
Subject: Re: Your one stop GRAPHICS shop!
Organization: UNI-C, Danish Computing Centre for Research and Education
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:25:00 GMT

In <1993Jan5.193218.6394@a.cs.okstate.edu> jmccorm@a.cs.okstate.edu (MCCORMICK JOSHUA C) writes:

>From article <bobl.aw4c@bobsbox.rent.com>, by bobl@bobsbox.rent.com (Bob Lindabury - SysAdmin):

>> > Do people use GIF images anymore?  I have gone to JPEG myself with
>> > important 24bit images saved at 100% boosted quality settings.

>You bet they do. Outside of the internet world, GIF is still *the* method for
>storing pictures. I hate to start any kind of flame war here, but JPG's a
>a lossy compression method that is often used improperly, resulting in
>pictures with severly butchered quality. 

Well, GIF is lossier. GIF only stores 8-bit pictures, that is 256 colors.
I have a 24-bit video card, and I do not touch GIF pictures. The quality
is too bad. And many pictures that is half the sizew in JPEG format is
much better.

>Because of the quality loss, I don't touch JPG unless I have to.  

As mentioned above, for 24-bit systems GIF is the worst standard.
JPEG has been unpopular on DOS machines for some time because of the
bad dithering/translation to 8-bit color that was the standard of the
free GIF viewers. And DOS machines is just VERY SLOWLY being equipped
with decent video cards (that is 24-bit). 

>If I need to save space and I don't want to even remotely touch the quality of
>a picture, I convert to .PCX then ARJ it up.

If you start with bad quality there is less quality to give up.

>For the reasons of conversion time, and quality loss, JPEG will never
>become *the* format for images, IMHO.

Conversion time (here I think of compression/decompression time) is one
of the things that is irritating about JPEG. But machines becomes faster,
and as more users gets 24-bit video there will be a need for a 24-bit
image standard. And it is there, and widely used. Just look in the 
alt.binaries.pictures.<insert favourite x-rated group here>.
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From: Me, Myself & I
Subject: Re: Your one stop GRAPHICS shop!
Organization: My Organization
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:14:34 GMT

dejesus@saturn.nwc.navy.mil (Francisco X DeJesus) writes:

>In article <Ad-Robot.aokv@bobsbox.rent.com> Ad-Robot@bobsbox.rent.com (Robotic Posting Menace) writes:
>>
>>                           -=* ANNOUNCING *=-
>>
>>                       T H E  G R A P H I C S  B B S

>[... long list of nice features deleted ...]

>>
>>   The Graphics BBS currently runs on an IBM AT at 8mHz with 4 meg of

>Yikes! Is that one over-taxed machine or what?

Actually, I've seen an IBM XT bbs. Not that it actually lasted that long or
anything. Heard it blew up after 3 days.

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Newsgroups: alt.bbs.ads
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From: peinhebe@phobos.unm.edu (Patrick Einheber)
Subject: Galaxy Express Three Nines
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 22:04:35 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

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From: mcng@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Markus Ngus)
Subject: Re: Your one stop GRAPHICS shop!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:02:21 GMT

Where do you get your 3d files ???  from what source...  I run a graphics BBS
in toronto and am trying to build on the 3d objects library.

Mark
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