From: rafiq@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (RAFIQ ANWAR)
Subject: Re: RFD, s.r.i.ahmadiyya (Back to the Issues II)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:23:02 GMT

alsaggaf@athena.mit.edu (M. Saggaf) writes:


>In a post to news.groups on Tue, 27 Oct 1992, I wrote:

>"References: <nahmed-271092102011@amac179.acns.nwu.edu>,
> 			<nahmed-271092143129@amac179.acns.nwu.edu>,
>	 		<nahmed-271092155409@amac179.acns.nwu.edu>

>"First, I must remind everybody not to waste the bandwidth posting
>articles with several levels of of quotes, or posting the same article
>several times. Sending three identical articles to the net in a few
>hours, each of which is 250+ lines long, is a waste of time and money,
>and few people would bother to read beyond the first one anyway. (The
>message IDs of those articles are listed as references in the header,
>take a look at them)."

>In a later post on Sat, 31 Oct 1992, nahmed@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (NAWAZ
>AHMED) wrote:

>NA> References: <ALSAGGAF.92Oct30142933@carbonara.mit.edu>
>	<nahmed-301092201722@amac179.acns.nwu.edu>

>NA> In article <ALSAGGAF.92Oct30142933@carbonara.mit.edu>,
>NA> alsaggaf@athena.mit.edu (M. Saggaf) wrote:

>[another article of mine quoted by Mr. Nawaz, deleted for brevity]

>NA> MR.SAGGAF WHERE IS PRINCIPLE STAND OF SAVING BAND WITH. THIS ARTICLE OF
>NA> YOURS APPERS TWICE. MINE WERE ALL DIFFEREN FROM EACH OTHER WITH
>NA> ADDITIONS.DONT YOU KNOW HOW TO ACT ON WHAT YOU PREACH.


>NA> NAWAZ AHMED
>NA> NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY


>Well, I had intended not to respond to the above, but then I thought
>that a reply would serve as an illustration of the difference between
>baseless allegations and founded ones, a distinction some of the
>participants in this discussions apparently lack the knowledge of.
>Hence, I must ask you to excuse the digression.

>First, my original article was intended to be a gentle reminder to
>everybody participating in the discussion not to waste the bandwidth
>of the net in unnecessary quotes and mega-articles that are identical
>or have analogous contents, since I had noticed a multitude of such
>articles apparently from people under the mistaken impression that a
>larger volume of articles would be perceived as the voice of the
>majority and would sway public opinion in their favor -- regardless of
>the contents of such articles. I for one try to avoid posting to the
>net unless I have something new to add, I realize that listening to
>someone "beating a dead horse" gets to be boring after a while.

>Second, since I intended Mr. Nawaz' articles to demonstrate my point,
>I referred to them in my article (though politely and without even
>mentioning his name). But since I never allege anything without proof,
>I cited the message IDs of his posts in the references (since they
>uniquely identify the posts) and urged people to take a look at them
>at the end of the paragraph in which I mentioned them (take a look at
>that paragraph above).

>Now that's what I call a 'founded' allegation (although it wasn't
>intended to be an allegation really, just an illustrious example). Mr.
>Nawaz, on the other hand, made the charge that I was not practicing
>what I preach and that I posted an article (the one he quoted) twice.
>He never produced any evidence that I did so, such as a message ID or
>the like (he couldn't, since I posted that article only once). Now
>that's what I call an 'unfounded' charge, and while it could be either
>with a malicious intent or just an honest mistake (e.g. a problem with
>his newsfeed), it is nonetheless an _unfounded_ allegation. So here it
>is again, in a nutshell: an allegation is unfounded unless accompanied
>with a proof.

>Sorry for the digression, but the relevance of this is the obvious
>analogy between the above and the 'unfounded' allegations of Mr. Rana
>against the moderators of soc.religion.islam. I sure hope spreading
>unwarranted charges is not a habitual practice of the proponents of
>*.ahmadiyya.

>Take care,

>--
>/M. Saggaf
> alsaggaf@athena.mit.edu


Mr., do you have anything better in life to do?

Regards;
ANWAR RAFIQ

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