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From: preiser@cancer.unm.edu (Doug Preiser)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Santa Fe #3751
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:14:33 GMT
Reply-To: preiser@cancer.unm.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: UNM Cancer Center

In article <=VLGTT!PG@linac.fnal.gov>, Mark Klayum writes:
>
>I'm looking for information on the Santa Fe #3751 trip to Chicago.
>It should be arriving on Sept. 9    
>
>Anyone have schedule information as to; Times, Towns, and Places it will pass
>thru in and out of Chicago, and where it will be kept overnight?
>
>Reply or E-mail
>
>Thanks
>
>- Mark Klayum
>- Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
> 

Someone posted an 800 number a while back where you can get the whole schedule
plus daily updates.  Would someone mind posting that number again ?  Thanx.
   Internet: preiser@cancer.unm.edu          So, who's dream is this, anyway?
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From: M00209@MBVM.Mitre.Org
Subject: Re: 200-mile rail network under study in Vermont.
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:02:23 GMT

In article <EMERY.92Sep8165703@Dr_No.mitre.org>
emery@Dr_No.mitre.org (David Emery) writes:
 
>
>Humh.  I know the route from White River Junction, past Montpelier
>(but not *through* Montpelier, I wrote a paper on that in College), up
>to Burlington.  And I can understand how to get from Burlington to
>Rutland.  But how do we get across the southern part of VT?
>Presumably, there's track from Rutland to Bellows Falls.  Is this the
>old Rutland/Green Mountain RR line?
>
>This would be a super trip in the Fall, and could also make a nice Ski
>Train, particularly if they set up connections to the various VT ski
>resorts.
>
>                                dave
>
Yes, the track between Rutland and Bellows Falls is the Green Mountain Railroad
and was previously part of the Rutland main line.  It is in pretty good shape,
and a freight round trip operates over it at least 5 days a week, sometimes 6.
The Green Mountain runs passenger service in the summer and fall for tourists
between Bellows Falls and Chester, using an ex-Rutland RS-1 (or is it an RS-3?
I forget) for motive power.  In the foliage season, some or all trips continue
to Summit and/or Ludlow.  Numerous fantrips have been run from time to time on
the entire line by various organizations, especially the MBRRE.  Write to Green
Mountain for details of their tourist operation, or see me for a copy of their
flyer.  To obtain information on possible trips, join the MBRRE!  For ten bucks
how can you lose?!?
 
 
Len Bachelder        Archives Committee, Boston and Maine RR Historical Society
MITRE Corp.           Secretary, Massachusetts Bay Railroad Enthusiasts
Bedford MA 01730      Member, 470 Railroad Club
<M00209@mbvm.mitre.org>
 
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From: jmarshal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John L Marshall)
Subject: Re: Oklahoma and Florida Amtrak
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: rec.railroad
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 01:00:10 GMT

In article <HOLLOWAY.92Sep13162857@flubber.cc.utexas.edu> holloway@ccwf.cc.utex
as.edu (Bill Holloway) writes:
>
>    Does anyone know the status of the rumored reopening of the New
>Orleans-Jacksonville line or the Fort Worth-Newton, KS line?

New Orleans-Jacksonville (and Miami) service will begin with the timetable 
change in April 1993.  As far as Denver-Newton, KS-Fort Worth-Dallas service is
concerned, that is discussed in the Amtrak report that has been mentioned 
several times on here.  Skimming the report, it seems to have been pretty 
positive (no major problems to overcome.)  The question is money.  Equipment 
costs alone were estimated at about $55 million (vs. about $12 million for 
extension of the Sunset Limited to Miami).  That is why the Sunset Limited 
extension is happening so soon.  Compared to the other lines studied, it is one
of the cheapest to start up.  Again, the numbers quoted above are only 
equipment; no upgrading of track, crossing circuits, stations, etc. is 
included.

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From: pvmason@cco.caltech.edu (Peter V. Mason)
Subject: Re: railroader museums etc in Santa Monica?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:24:18 GMT

	Add the old Mt. Lowe tram line that ran from Altadena to a 
tavern at Mt. Lowe.  The old incline is still there.  Requires a hike from
Cobb estate at top of Lake Street in Altadena to Echo Mountain. See
Charles Seims beatiful book on the subject.  Available at Vroman's in
Pasadena. 
 
All the rails and overhead lines are gone but the route and some remnants
of the trestles are still there. The first 1000 ft. elevation gain was 
on the incline, followed by a Toonerville trolly line about 3 miles long.
No straight stretch longer than 250'.  The route is posted with
several informative signboards.

Peter Mason
pvmason@alumni.caltech.edu



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From: ggg9y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Garth G. Groff)
Subject: Re: Three questions
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:25:08 GMT

K-BRAKES

I just was reading an article from RAIL MODEL JOURNAL
about USRA boxcars the other day.  It mentioned that the
year K-brakes were finally outlawed for interchange was
1953.  I believe that it was supposed to have happened
several years sooner, but was extended several times.

On a related note, the C&O did a massive scrapping of 
older cars in 1952-53.  Many of these cars still had 
K-brakes.  I have long suspected that the railroad felt
they were not worth upgrading and just cleaned house.
I wonder if there are other roads out there that also
did mass scrappings at this time rather than rebuild.
Any comments from fans of other lines?
~S
--
Garth (Haridas) Groff
"Not yet famous author"
ggg9y@poe.acc.virginia.EDU         Chant "Govinda Bohlo Hare"
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From: adrian@ntmtv.UUCP (Adrian Brandt)
Subject: Re: Anybody how Metrolink is coming along?
Keywords: metrolink
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:49:59 GMT

In article <144@gallery.UUCP>, sysop@gallery.UUCP (John Powers) writes:
|>  You missed one other thing that might hold Metrolink back....
|> 
|>  Cost.
|> 
|>  It will cost me six bucks one way to ride this thing for about 18 miles and
|> then I would have to walk two miles to work.

Holy cow!  That's really expensive-sounding for commuter rail.  The
example you give is 33 cents per mile.  Metrolink ought to run at
a profit at that rate!  (as long as it isn't empty due to high fares)

Can anyone shed some more light on the fare structure?  What would
a monthly ticket for the same trip cost, what would a round-trip
ticket cost?  Rail transit in the SF Bay Area isn't nearly that
expensive!  It's more like in the 5 to 15 cent per mile range,
depending on the system and ticket type.


|>  (and they wonder why Californians won't give up their cars....)

It costs most people about 30 cents per mile to operate a car too.
And that doesn't even take into account the "true" cost of driving
that auto-users don't fully pay for directly.

-- 

Adrian Brandt (415) 940-2379
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From: wiebe@ut-emx.uucp (Anne Hill Wiebe)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: railroader museums etc in Santa Monica?
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:36:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U. Texas Center for Space Research

We are going to Santa Monica, California the last weekend in
September, and wonder if anyone knows great railroad-connected
things to see in Santa Monica ... it will be a late Saturday
afternoon, my husband the railroad buff will arrive at LAX
3:36pm with nothing to do but meet me and my daughter and friend
later in the evening.  Any thoughts?  He'd just love a railroad
museum, or are there any great engines parked there to see,
etc.?

Please reply to me by e-mail, since I don't read this group.
Thanks for your help!

Anne Hill Wiebe (anne@csrux1.ae.utexas.edu)
From: bob@1776.COM (Robert Coe)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Amtrak Stations
Date: 15 Sep 92 03:41:52 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: 1776 Enterprises, Sudbury MA

elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L. Werkema) writes:
>    I heard somewhere that Amtrak is looking at some way of moving back into
> St. Louis Union.  The station has been rebuilt into a mall of sorts, and
> Amtrak has been using an Amshack about 1/2 mile south, but there complaints
> about such an uninspiring entry to the city (who could argue with that?)  
> Does anybody know if anything more has come of it?

I'm pretty sure that St. Louis's new subway now being constructed will have a
major stop at Union Station.  That might be a compelling reason in itself for
Amtrak to want to move back.

BTW, another Northeast Corridor station that has been beautifully restored 
is the one in New Haven.  And although the station at Providence was not 
retained, its replacement is supposed to be a pretty good piece of archi-
tecture.

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From: peter@cs.vu.nl (Grunwald PD)
Subject: Re: Most spectacular passenger routes
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:25:50 GMT

ehr@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Ernest H. Robl) writes:



>Okay, how about the Semmering line in Austria?  It's southwest of
>Vienna and features 2.5 per cent grades as well as manyy tunnels.
>It's also well known for its stone viaducts, some of which are 
>double-deck (one viaduct on top of another) and on curves.  The 
>line twists back and forth over 41.5 km to cover an actual 
>distance of 22 km.

Well, it's quite nice (I have been on it very, very often for reasons which are
not interesting to tell here) but let me tell you: you can't compare it to
the Sardinia ride I mentioned before...for the simple reason that it makes too
much sense! The Semmering was, at its time, of course a great achievement, but
it was made (like it should be, of course) in order to have an as-efficient-as-
possible connection between points A and B (Vienna and the southwest of the
Habsburg empire vs. Italy, as it was)

Being on the Sardinia line, you keep thinking: something's WRONG here...
even 100 years ago they could have done this differently, much more efficient!

(the reason, as mentioned, being that the company got paid for each kilometre
 of track, not for actual distance)

Ciao,

Peter
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From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Anybody how Metrolink is coming along?
Date: 13 Sep 92 00:34:42 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <15404@umd5.umd.edu> gurd@wam.umd.edu writes:
>Does anybody in Southern California know how Metrolink is coming along.

The first three lines of Metrolink are scheduled to begin operation
in October.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov

Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: ehr@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Ernest H. Robl)
Subject: Re: Amtrack seat assignments
Summary: too many car configurations
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 03:39:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.193557.2155@merrimack.edu>, gemmellj@merrimack.edu writes:
> Hi. I'm just wondering why Amtrack does not give seat assignments on the
> reserved trains.  it sure will be a lot easier to get on board knowing
> where there is a seat waiting for you.  On all the times i took Amtrack,
> it seemed like a zoo when everyone was racing to grap a seat, preferably
> by a window.  
> Does anyone know why Amtrack does not give assignments?


I had a discussion with someone about this during my Amtrak trip in
June.  This person who said he worked for a West Coast organization
that sometimes charters Amtrak equipment said that the big problem is
that Amtrak has literally dozens of different car configurations.
Part of the problem goes back to the cars that Amtrak inherited,
which were built to dozens of different railroads' specifications.
Even newer equipment appears to have undergone a number of configuration
changes in rebuilding and maintenance.

Since a last-minute problem can mean a car substitution just before
departure, this means that the car that goes on the train may not
have the seating configuration originally intended.

While this explanation appears plausible, I still have problems 
with it.  On the segment that I rode coach, I, too, was amazed what
a zoo it was getting on, and am sure that this contributes 
substantially to station time -- and making trains late.

Even with dozens of car configurations, it should still be possible
to store these patterns in a computer.  And, though there is some
difference in capacities, it should still be possible to pre-
assign at least most of the seats.

On the other hand, when I travel by train in Europe, I normally
don't reserve a seat -- and things work out just fine.  And, in
Europe, even express trains often have station stops of just one or
two minutes in smaller cities.  During these, a total of as many as
100 passengers may get on and off a train at that point.

When I got on the Coast Starlight in Sacramento, it took them a good
10-15 minutes to get maybe 50 or so passengers on the train while
an equal number got off.  As part of the boarding process, they made
everyone -- with their luggage, of course -- run to one far end of the
platform to have their tickets checked, then sent most of the
passengers to the other far end of the train to get on.  I told
myself then, that there had to be a better way to do this.

-- Ernest

-- 

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                                         FAX:  +1  919   286-1696
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: derek@wubios.wustl.edu (Derek Morgan)
Subject: 3751 movements CHI-KCY
Followup-To: rec.railroad
Keywords: Santa Fe, 3751, steam
Organization: Division of Biostatistics, WUMS, St. Louis, MO
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:46:08 GMT

Does anybody out there have a schedule for 3751, and details such as water
stops, etc? A friend will be in the CHI area tomorrow, and is looking for some
shots.

AdvTHANKSance,

Derek Morgan
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: wdjohnso@iastate.edu (Whitney D Johnson)
Subject: Re: Santa Fe #3751
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:26:58 GMT


Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: emery@Dr_No.mitre.org (David Emery)
Subject: Re: 200-mile rail network under study in Vermont.
Organization: The Mitre Corp., Bedford, MA.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:57:03 GMT

Humh.  I know the route from White River Junction, past Montpelier
(but not *through* Montpelier, I wrote a paper on that in College), up
to Burlington.  And I can understand how to get from Burlington to
Rutland.  But how do we get across the southern part of VT?
Presumably, there's track from Rutland to Bellows Falls.  Is this the
old Rutland/Green Mountain RR line?

This would be a super trip in the Fall, and could also make a nice Ski
Train, particularly if they set up connections to the various VT ski
resorts.

				dave
From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: more on Amtrak's purchase of NY GPO
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:40:40 GMT
Reply-To: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Sep8.225617.25747@panix.com> dfl@panix.com (Danny
O'Bedlam) writes:

>	Light Rail is surface transit.  There is little chance (IMHO) that
>the city of New York would go ahead with closing the entire length of
>42nd street to traffic.  though that may be preferred by 'Auto-Free NY'.
>I think the plan involves using 1 or 2 traffic lanes on one side of the
>street.  the rest of the traffic, in both directions would have to use
>the remaining lanes.

The last plan I saw had the south half of the street closed, which I
think is 3 lanes incoluding the parking lane.  The north side would be
one-way traffic.  Interesting thing is that 41st St is interrupted at
5th-6th Aves by Bryant Park, and 43d and 44th are interrupted at Grand
Central Terminal, so I don't know how traffic going the other way
would be routed.  Maybe they are planning on that strange effect of
traffic disappearing, the reverse of traffic appearing when new roads
are opened.

This puts the line on private right of way.  Light rail is not
necessarily surface transit but this particular line will be on street
level all the way.  Probably it will turn south at 12th Ave (West St)
and run to the Javits Center, probably using a strip taken from 12th
Ave along the east side; 12th Ave is very wide.

--Joe Brennan

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From: bill@hpcndaw.CND.HP.COM (Bill Kepner)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 14:05:05 GMT
Subject: Re: questions about the history of the Great Western
Organization: HP Network and System Management Division
From: romeo@niagara.Tymnet.COM (Michael Stimac)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Wilmington & Baltimore Railroad ?
Date: 16 Sep 92 02:16:28 GMT
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)

In article <JMD.92Sep15205945@lion.bear.com> jmd@bear.com (Josh Diamond) writes:
>
>My girlfriend is doing some architectural research on some buildings
>associated with a "Wilmington & Baltimore Railroad".
>
>I have never heard of such a beast, and grew up in Baltimore, so I'm
>a little perplexed.  Anyone else heard of it?
>

According to Edson's _Railroad Names_, there was no
"Wilmington & Baltimore" railroad. There was, however,
a "Philadelphia, Wilmington & Baltimore" railroad,
which may have been referred to colloquially as the
"Wilmington & Baltimore". 

The PW&B began life in 1837 and was absorbed into the
Philadelphia, Baltimore & Washington in November 1902.
The PB&W became part of the Pennsy 15 years later.

Edson may have an omission in this case, but he's
pretty reliable. I'd double-check the RR name.

Michael Stimac
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From: rambler@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Dan Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Has Milwaukee Road 261 left Green Bay?
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:25:01 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

wes@uf.msc.edu (Wes Barris) writes:
>In article <1992Sep08.175548.14396@mixcom.com>, Joe.Russ <Joe.Russ@mixcom.mixcom.com> writes:
>|> 
>|> Does anybody know if Milwaukee Road S-3 261 left Green Bay for the
>|> Twin Cities yet? I heard it was "suppose" to leave on Sept. 1, but
>|> haven't heard anything.
>|>  Joe R.
>|>  WISE Div., NMRA
>|> -- 
>|> Joe.Russ@mixcom.com
>
>I don't believe it is on its way yet.  When it arrives, it will probably be
>located somewhere near the Jackson Street Roundhouse in St. Paul.  When I
>hear something about it I will post what I know.
>
>-- 
>Wes Barris                                                   PH: (612) 626-8090
>Minnesota Supercomputer Center                               Email: wes@msc.edu

I heard that the 261 will be on the way soon ( like before jan 1st), 
and it will be restored somewhere up near the Soo Line's Humboldt Yard.

-- Dan Meyer

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Subject: Initials of the Jersey Central
From: bob@1776.COM (Robert Coe)
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 22:13:52 EDT
Distribution: na
Organization: 1776 Enterprises, Sudbury MA

smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:
> In article <1992Sep04.193057.8280@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com>, johnm@hpmcaa (John Mosb
> }      At this year's Winterail shindig in Stockton, there were the typical
> } "foamer" personalized plates, but two interesting vehicles.  ...
> Around here, I've seen a panel truck painted in CNJ colors, complete with
> yellow grab irons.  And on top, there's a horn from a diesel -- but I don't 
> know if it's functional...  If I recall correctly, the plates on it say 
> CNJ RR.

Obviously owned by a yokel.  A genuine enthusiast would have had the plate
read "CRRNJ"!    :^)

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From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Amtrak Stations
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:05:45 GMT
Organization: LLNL

In article <15423@umd5.umd.edu> gurd@wam.umd.edu writes:

	...

>"RENOVATED STATIONS ARE FUELING THE REBIRTH OF RAILROADS"

	...

	[On building a new Amtrak station in a to-be-abandoned Postal
Service building near NYC's Penn Station, a building that is just
above the tracks...]

	How crowded is Penn Station nowadays? With Amtrak to DC,
upstate NY, and Boston and PATH and NJ Transit and the LIRR all
converging on that spot, it must have a Tartarus of a lot of train
traffic. Has it reached capacity yet? If Amtrak starts going 150 mph
on the straighter parts of the Northeast Corridor, let's say, then it
will be needing a lot more station space. Same for expanded service
for the three commuter lines (PATH, NJT, and LIRR). While we're on the
subject of NYC train stations, is Grand Central Terminal at capacity
with the Metro-North trains stopping there? Amtrak recently moved its
upstate NY trains to Penn Station, which presumably made a little room
at GCT.

	If one knows how big that building is, one might be able to
estimate how much platform area it can have in its "footprint". Could
anyone do so?

/Loren