HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Pickford as Desmond:  in closing
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:43:20 GMT

In article <ldonovINNoo4@spim.mti.sgi.com> dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>Bullshit.  Matt has shown much more intellectual capacity in this last
>exchange than you have shown in the past four years worth of whining
>nonsense.

If you say so.  Let's hope Matthew's on a roll...

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz)
Subject: Re: Anagram program
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 06:17:52 GMT

In <1992Oct12.181600.20654@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:


>In article <1992Oct12.155204.14037@macc.wisc.edu>
>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>Honey, if this doesn't work, *I* for sure ain't gonna find
>>the problem in the source!

>I deleted jess (perfectly good word, but no fun for
>anagrams on my own name) and such words as joss, which even
>I am too lazy to look up.

If you got internet it isn't usch hard work.  All you need
is a Webster server.  

Attempting to connect to webster server 128.100.1.105...Established.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Definition of joss...
joss \'ja:s, 'jo.s\ n [pidgin E, fr. Pg deus god, fr. L - more at DEITY] : 
   a Chinese idol or cult image
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I did that without leaving emacs.
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From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Date: 11 Oct 92 06:29:33 GMT
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ

In article <1992Oct11.041906.3741@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>at the risk of sounding like the clueless white boy I might very well
>be, could someone explain to me how soc.motss is a particularly white
>forum?

for the same reason that all non-soc.motss/bi groups on usenet are strayt
forums.  Think about how you define queer safe space.  now extrapolate.


Ry
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From: gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: More trivialization of red ribbons
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:25:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carlson Library, Univ of Toledo

In article <1992Oct14.121930.7750@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Oct14.112359.20506@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
> rcrice@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (roger.w.crice) writes:
> 
>>I noticed last night before the VP debate, when the families 
>>of the candidates were being seated, that Marilyn Quayle was
>>proudly wearing a pink, perhaps white, ribbon on her lapel.
> 
>>Is there any speculation as to what THAT was all about?
> 
> All it means is that she was outfitted by Norman of Sears.

     That would have been a plaid/polyester ribbon, attached to a geeky "My
name is Mrs. Potatoehead" name badge.
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Out in a snap (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 11:58:06 GMT


In article <1992Oct13.102523.5600@panix.com> mara@panix.com
(Mara Chibnik) writes:

>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) caught the typo:

> >If Eamonn or Fred will sense me sources, I will put them up
> >for anon ftp on my machine.

>If they "sense" you the sources, maybe you could put them up 
>for anon esp and save wear and tear on the net.

Ha ha ha.  I completely missed that.  Anon esp, that's pretty
good; just think mget stuff and voila, you have it.  Hm ..
yoo hoo, mget thaaang ... gotta love them bytes.

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From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Tired and Impatient (was Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 18:32:30 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Oct14.183409.22436@tc.cornell.edu> <ldoun7INNr11@spim.mti.sgi.com>
  <1992Oct15.012809.7194@spdcc.com> <ldr7f1INNguq@spim.mti.sgi.com>
  <67806@cup.portal.com>

George Madison takes the Pollack Style to new dimensions:

>FWA writes:
>>Now, here's a question for you... If you were given the opportunity to
>>have a one on one lunch with Jesse Helms, would you take the invitation?

>Only if I were wired with enough explosives to make sure he'd be
>nothing but assorted red splotches on the walls.

>George D. Madison

You kids and your Martyr Complexes.  There *are* ways of whacking *him*
without whacking *yourself* too, y'know.

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
From: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Restaurants in SF
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:08:36 GMT
Reply-To: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Organization: sgi
NNTP-Posting-Host: tattoo.mti.sgi.com


Though I am loath to give away the names of restaurants I like (I hate
crowds) I will give some highlights of restaurants I really like in SF.


Gevas - This Carribean restaurant on Hayes is quite wonderful.  The menu
is very interesting with many unusual ingredients and uncommon dishes. 
The staff is very friendly, and you can almost always get a table.  The
service is typical for Carribena restaurants (read: slow) but aside from
this, the restaurant is quite wonderful.  Warning: Do not ask for anything
to be made very spicy.  This makes the food rather difficult to eat (and
this is from someone who loves his food very spicy).

Mifune - This noodle shop in Japan center is rather good.  The service
is quick, the food is filling and the price is right.  A good place to
go before catching a movie at the Kabuki.

Anchor Oyster Bar - This is on Castro near 19th.  This small restaurant has
a regular oyster bar menu with seafood and fish specials every evening.  I
have never seen a repeat of a special, and they are always interesting.  
Since there are only 5 small table, and a counter, do not come with a group
of more than 4.

Shensons - This deli, out at Geary and 15th, is not the best deli food in
San Francisco, but it is closer to a NY deli in atmosphere than anything I
have seen in California.  They have metal shelves covered in arcane kosher
foods.  The customers are old russian jews.  This is the place to go in SF
to learn about deli culture.  Quite a find.

Khan Toke - At Geary between 23rd ave and 24th, Khan Toke is the best
Thai food I have found in SF.  Not only is the menu more interesting than
most, they have gone to a lot of effort to make the atmosphere authentic
Thai.  The only problem is that you might want to bring a flashlight to
read the menu.

Pauline's - Great Pizza on Valencia.  True NY style pizza.  Their pesto is
to die for. This is pizza place worth sitting in and eating.  Hint - even 
if you do not want a salad, order a bread stick.


I used to put Star's Cafe on my list of favorite restaurants, but the last
couple of times I have eaten there, I have been really disappointed.

I could go on, but I will not tell all of my secrets.

Jeff
-FWA
From: cjr10@cccvm.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Russell)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:52:30 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corp.

In article <1992Oct14.041117.7984@wam.umd.edu>
lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:
 
>In article <1687F1062B.CJR10@CCCVM.CCC.AMDAHL.COM> cjr10@cccvm.ccc.amdahl.com
>(Chris Russell) writes:
>} Problem is, just about everyone, gay/straight, white/black, etc. can
>} lay claim to injustices done to them by some other group, somewhere
>} in history.
>
>What Utter Bullshit!  "Other people have problems, you don't see THEM
>complaining, do you?"  That's like Dan Quayle saying, "I remember that day when
>the milkman didn't come and we had to drink orange juice ..."
 
I don't think your paraphrase of my statement reflects correctly what I
was trying to say. By all means, I advocate action to address current-day
inequities against both minority groups and individuals.
 
Chris Russell /gay/white/male/agnostic/half-polish/half-english/
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Motsser-authors (was Re: Motssers in history)
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:05:58 GMT
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Nelson Minar:
>You'll also find a poem of Mr. Crew's titled "A Gay Psalm from Fort
>Valley" in an anthology of lesbigay poetry titled "Gay and Lesbian
>Poetry in our Time", ed. Carl Morse and Joan Larkin.  ...
>I thought about trying to put together a list of motssers who have had
>things published. ...But then I started thinking some more and realized 
>that a list of published motssers would be quite large.

Truly.  And the list of their publications would be even larger.  To quote
a recent posting by a certain Louie Crew in misc.writing:

     The last 1456 publishers to look at my work have averaged 2.1
     months deciding. ... The last 440 to publish my work have
     averaged 6.7 months between acceptance and publication.

("The last 440"?  Some of us are jealous.)

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   a good hourly wage.  If so, he or she should probably rethink the whole
   business and get into another line of work."  --Tom Maddox
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: Steve Christensen <stevec@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Jason Priestley
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:42:59 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

Matthew Melmon, mattm@apple.com writes:
>This has come up before, but I didn't pay much attention because of
>the following shocking fact:  while I *do* know who Marlene Dietrich
>is, I do *not* know who Jason Priestly is...
>
>Singer?  Actor?  Sports celebrity?  

He's on Beverly Hills 90210...

steve
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: psp@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (P.S. Powledge)
Subject: Re: Tired and Impatient (was Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel, NJ
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:06:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.023616.7924@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <ldrticINNn6h@spim.mti.sgi.com>
>dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>
>>However, wasting bandwidth for exchanging insults is not
>>worth anybody's effort...
>
>In my opinion, that's a value judgment best left to those
>whose effort is involved. 

Yes, I think Jess got this exactly right. I think it's a mistake to 
regard all flaming as noise. Just like other kinds of posts, some 
flames are entertaining and/or well-thought-out, and others fail one
or both of these tests.

And even when they're not particularly fun to read, I think flames may well
serve a highly constructive purpose for the person posting and reading 
them. I can think of many times that I've worked something out in my own 
head by arguing about it with someone else. I'd be willing to bet this 
happened a lot with men who responded to Sarver here.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: pc@linus.mitre.org (Penny Chase)
Subject: Re: Anagram program
Organization: Research Computer Facility, The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA
	<1992Oct15.013059.9348@macc.wisc.edu> <1469@dosbears>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:12:56 GMT

In article <1469@dosbears> drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston) writes:

   In article <1992Oct15.013059.9348@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

   >Can you tell some more about this.  As someone who seriously
   >considered popping $2500 for the (printed) OED2 when it
   >first appeared, and having a CD-ROM drive, this intrigues
   >me.  Is $895 a list price?  Do you know the format of the
   >disk?  Do you know where can I find out the details, if you
   >don't happen to have them?

   The article mentions that the search software actually takes up
   more room on the cd than the dictionary! 

I wonder if they are including the indices.

   Searches can be limited
   to the etymological, phonetic, definition, or quotation sections
   of an entry. Chronological variables can be used to find words
   that appeared within a certain span of years. And so on. The
   article is what PC Mag calls a "first look", not an actual
   review, and it doesn't mention other platforms.

Unlike Jess I never considered buying the printed OED2; I always
wanted the CD-ROM version, precisely because it has the search
software.  The search software was developed at the University of
Waterloo and uses PAT trees (a data structure which provides greater
flexibility that inverted indices, namely that you can search on the
definition).

A Macintosh version is supposed to come out next year, according to
OUP's glossies.  I don't know the format of the CD-ROM and if there's
one available for Suns.  The software and dictionary should be Sun
compatible since before OED2 was printed, it was available on a Sun
on-line at Waterloo for the members of the New OED encoding effort.

By the way, the primary reason OUP encoded the OED was not to make it
available on CD-ROM, but to be able to generate OED2 and future
versions via computer.  Originally they intended to optically scan in
the OED and manually tag and clean up the OCR, but it turned out that
it would be cheaper to manually type in and tag the OED, which is what
they did.

Not much motss relevance here, sorry.

	Penny




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From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: More trivialization of red ribbons
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:27:09 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <cornell.718961731@vivaldi> cornell@inoc.dl.nec.com (Cornell Kinderknecht) writes:

>Barbara Bush had on a ribbon when she was seated before the beginning
>of the debate on Sunday night.  After she sat down, the camera was
>still on her and she looked at her ribbon like if she was checking if
>it was in place.  I didn't notice later if it was still there since
>she is known for the "great disappearing ribbon act" of the RNC.

>This was on C-Span that we got to see her being seated.

I saw the debate on C-SPAN, too.  The ribbon was still there at the end
of the debate -- one of my friends watching with me said that George 
was probably going to have a cow as soon as he got off stage!


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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Ann Lander's YUCK!
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 14:15:32 GMT


In article <1992Oct14.152734.10511@infonode.ingr.com>
norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris) writes:

>Hmm, you get to submit and dominate all at the same time.  WHAT FUN!!!

Aye, has its virtues.

>>The only men I've ever been with who didn't
>>want to get fucked were gay.

>Same here.  I think it's because their wives/girlfriends
>won't consent to use a dildo on them.

As a person of some practice, perhaps it should be pointed
out (or up, if that's what yer into or what's into you) that
a dildo does not and cannot pass for the Real Thing.  Being
straight does not make a man stupid (usually), and it's at
least as likely, I think, that men would be more intrigued
by flesh-and-blood love pistons than plastic ones.

(Speaking of Jeff Stryker, I love the phrase "love piston"!)

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Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Birthday Greetings (was Re: Ah, Fashion.)
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:08:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.BvvEMs.6FD
Organization: Open Communications Forum

his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM (Howard Solomon) writes:
> So, why not just post birthdays with years and have a tabulated list?

                                         B - 12/26/60
                                        HS - 79
                           BS/Astrophysics - 82
 said "fuck it" to MSCS and got a real job - 85


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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Ella (was Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 22:39:42 GMT


In article <1b7ercINN1pp@mizar.usc.edu>
adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

>Of course Ella is a big name in jazz, but she pales in
>significance next to Billie Holiday.  Hell, all jazz singers
>with the exception of Louis Armstrong pale in significance
>next to Billie Holiday.

Apples and oranges, I think.  Blues != jazz.  Billie Holiday
is the ultimate blues singer, and though far from alone in
the mastery of that art, she's today's quintessence of it.
I agree Ella's not in that class and never was.  In terms of
ballades, Ella could never have laid a finger on Sarah
Vaughn, either.  But (as Steve mentions) scat singing, Ella
did that as no other, I think.  This alone does not an icon
make, arguably.  But it's the purest form of jazz singing, I
think, because jazz is -- if nothing else -- the improvised,
spontaneous live chamber music of modern times.

>> Bingo.  From the evidence here, I think it involves crossing the age
>> of 26 or thereabouts, but there may be something cognitive involved,
>> too. :-)

>Each new group
>of 18-24 year olds does *not* create the world from scratch.

But that's Steve's point: they don't realize this until they
reach real adulthood, which (just a little) later.

(Brace yourselves, John Dorrance is getting ready to use the
 F-word again!  :-)

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From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:30:23 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <1atdfaINNt8k@mizar.usc.edu>,
adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
> My birthday is December 9.

Same as E. Schwarzkopf.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes)
Subject: Re: Why you people alienate so many...
Organization: Thinkage Ltd.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:52:54 GMT

In article <ldoui0INNqp9@spim.mti.sgi.com> dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>
>and Arne.  Then, when other people come to their rescue, Matt started to
>taunt them as well.  We all know that this does not work, but with many
>years of usenet under our belts, we know that this does not work.
>
>However, if you read the last couple of days worth of Matt's postings, you
>will see that he is trying to stay on topic.  However, BBC has been insulting
>him in return.  Not commenting on his words, but just insulting.  Jess is 
>being condescending (as per usual).  Melinda is siding with the Cabal (as 
>per usual) without reading what he is saying.

of course any of the more calmer, level-headed people around who would
be able to "dampen" cabal extremism have long ago entered the newbie
into their killfiles. consequently we do not know if/when he becomes more
lucid.
he/they killed off any potential allies, he/they must live with whatever
is left.

because i am an optimst and actually expect people to change with time,
i make a point of removing specific killfile entries after a couple months.
but most people are far too busy to keep an eye on the feotal development
on a daily or weekly basis.

>I have some advice for y'all.  Try reading what he says, and drop the

assuming i can SEE what he says.
like i say, he starts by begging to be put into killfiles, he cannot
expect instantaneous recognition when he develops a little lucidity.

those cabalists who stuck with it throughout are naturally going to
view any recent writings through a "bias" of all previous writings.
a newbie's best chance may actually be with those who stopped reading
long ago -- we havent been saturated so thoroughly that we read
into recent writings the older image.

he still has a least a month to go in my killfile.

there are even cabalists who get regular tune-up memberships in my killfile :-)
i found this approach seems to work when you find yourself started to
get impatient with a, perhaps prolific, writer -- tune out for a while!
their writing appears to have improved when you return (even if it actually
hasnt really changed at all)

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