HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rone@alcor.usc.edu (Ron Echeverri)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Story in which Spot says a bad word.
Date: 14 Aug 1992 00:19:42 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alcor.usc.edu

In article <Bswn6u.D79@world.std.com> kibo@world.std.com writes:
>Another sneak preview of Spot's forthcoming book.  No, you can't see the
>rest.  Yet.  Well, if enough of you promise to vote for me for
>President, maybe I'll post some more.

I promise to vote for you for President.

5150
I never said president of what, or when i would vote. but i promised
From: emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Would anyone care to tell me...
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:59:55 GMT
Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, QC CANADA

...just what the heck kibology is?

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Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot,alt.fan.dave_barry,alt.politics.kibo,alt.politics.elections,alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: God@Pearly.Gates.Heaven (God)
Subject: A Clear Choice
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 18:31:56 GMT
X-Posted-From: husc9.harvard.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu










        It is clear to me, as it is to many Americans, that the upcoming
presidential election is going to be one of the closest and most important
elections ever.  There is a clear choice that must be made when deciding
for whom we should vote, and that decision should be made intelligently.
We should ponder this question in particular:

        What do we want this country to be like in four years?

        Clearly there are only two viable candidates, two men who have the
ability to keep this country afloat and guide it in the direction that
is necessitated by the events transpiring all over the world.  We have a
clear choice, and let me say that to vote for some other candidate other
than one of these men would be a cop-out.  The lesser candidates in this
election have no chance of winning, and this election is far too close
for 'protest' votes.  You MUST choose between these two men.  I am of course
referring to
















                         Kibo   or      Dave Barry










        So, give this election some serious thought, and remember.













       Dave Barry                  or                   Kibo
Catchy slogan should appear here     Catchy slogan should appear somewhere else





Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology
From: bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum)
Subject: Re: Xvob
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 10:27:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.221309.26641@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> aaron@space.ualberta.ca writes:
>Kibo rot13'd is Xvob.
>
>Bob rot13'd is Obo.
>
She rot13'd is Fur
>
>How do you pronounce Xvob?
I would say "Ex-vob".  Could be something like Ex-lax, or maybe an obscure
assembly-language mnemonic (crosspost to alt.folklore.computers?  Nah.)

Bill Marcum  bmarcum@world.std.com
Calvin: "Animals sure are dumb to have all that fur."
Hobbes: "People sure are ugly without it."



Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology
From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: Kibo eats meatloaf--AND SURVIVES
Reply-To: kibo@world.std.com
Organization: Between a rock and a type specimen sheet, Boston.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 05:11:50 GMT

[]
	I used to dislike meatloaf, especially with that tomato glop on it.

	However, today, I realized that I loved stuffed peppers, but
whenever I have them I eat all the meat from the inside (with the red
glop) and leave the empty peppers behind.

	Which gives me meatloaf.

	As of today, I now eat meatloaf.
								-- K.

Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology,alt.slack
From: jfw@jfwhome.FUNHOUSE.COM (John F. Woods)
Subject: Re: Agnostics and Athiests
Organization: Misanthropes-R-Us
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 01:44:11 GMT

In <1992Aug10.203035.27768@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st890270@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (LUCIFER) writes:
>>There *IS* SCIENTIFIC PROOF that man did not exist on the planet Earth
>>within 7 days of its creation.
>Nah, it's all a conspiracy. God created the Dinosaur bones to give the 
>planet a "lived in" feel

But of course!  That increased the resale value when He sold it to the
Galactic Bankers as investment property.

Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology,comp.os.coherent
From: csuley@cs.cornell.edu (Christopher Suley)
Subject: Re: Story about Kibo
Followup-To: alt.religion.kibology,misc.test,comp.os.coherent
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:47:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.063309.432@iitmax.iit.edu>
pred@iitmax.iit.edu (Predrag S. Bundalo) writes:
[..]
>This shouldn't be in comp.os.coherent either.  Especially not here since most
>people reading this group pay for news (and email) via uunet and phone bills.
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So you mean they also get to pay for that wonderful 5 line .signature
(which appears below) each time you post?  How nice of you.

>
>Pred Bundalo
>
>:::  Predrag S. Bundalo                  Academic Computing Center     :::
>:::  Illinois Institute of Technology    Chicago, Illinois             :::
>..........................................................................
>:::  Internet:  pred@{iitmax, elof}.iit.edu, syspredrag@minna.iit.edu  :::
>:::  BITNET  :  syspredrag@iitvax.BITNET                               :::


Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology
From: klm@gozer.mv.com (Kevin L. McBride)
Subject: Re: WHAT IS KIBOLOGY? a quick quiz.
Organization: GhostBuster Central - Southern NH Usenet Access, Nashua, NH
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 15:27:33 GMT

csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu (C Squared) writes:

> In article <Bt7tJr.8GH@world.std.com> kibo@world.std.com writes:
> >[]
> >	The anser to the following question will be in the third version
> >of the FAQ, whenever I have enough time to work on it (I'm busy doing
> >two logos tonight, and I have a plate of meat loaf on my lap now, and
> >it's HOT!  Ow.)
> >
> >	KIBOLOGY IS:
> >
> >	a) a religion that considers Kibo to be both God and the Devil
> >
> >	b) a philosophy of life that says "you're allowed"
> >
> >	c) the science of studying Kibo's every move and thought
> >
> >	d) the art of asking, "Who's Kibo?  What's Kibology?"
> >
> >	e) a small penguin who tries but can't succeed-o
> >
> >	f) Other
> >							-- K.

> 	g) Who the fuck cares?


        h) All of the above.
Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology
From: clavazzi@nyx.cs.du.edu (The_Doge)
Subject: Re: Kibocolliders (was: Re: Super Conducting Supercollider)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 02:19:14 GMT

In article <25460@dog.ee.lbl.gov> sichase@csa2.lbl.gov writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.030323.23331@nuscc.nus.sg>, matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Mcinnes B T (Dr)) writes...
>>Scott: well, for heaven's sake,man, spill the beans! How did Kibo
>>explain himself? For my part, I doubt that this person is really Kibo.
>>How can you be sure that he is not an impostor?
>
>He told me I need a Fajita.  The sign at Taco Bell sayeth so.  
>
	HaH! If he'd actually BEEN Kibo, he would have told you you needed
the Shark Fin Soup.  You have been duped, sirrah!
	Glad we could clear that up.
The_Doge
ObQuote:	"Health food makes me sick!" -- Calvin Trillin

Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology,alt.smouldering.dog.zone
From: rone@alcor.usc.edu (Ron Echeverri)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Eskimo David Letterman
Date: 16 Aug 1992 15:08:21 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alcor.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug16.214829.4580@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu (C Squared) writes:
>In article <l8ticdINNac7@alcor.usc.edu> rone@alcor.usc.edu (Ron Echeverri) writes:
>>a typo for "Massachussetts".
>>           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>More likely a typo for Massachusetts.  Rent a clue.

I should rent a dictionary and refuel my flamethrower.

>C Squared
>No way, it's pronounced qed-rol-phan-tou-chi

5150
you little new england geeks think you have all the answers
Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology,alt.folklore.urban
From: bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum)
Subject: Re: David Letterman
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 09:15:27 GMT

In article <Bswnyx.EF9@world.std.com> kibo@world.std.com writes:
>[]
>	Today, at 12:46:10am Eastern US time, David Letterman said
>"Kibo" on the air.  Anyone who taped tonight's show should check this
>out, and prepare to experience so much enjoyment that your head could
>explode.
>							-- K.
>
Good grief!  He's found a way to grep television!  Next, people will start
creating alt.tv.channels the way they do newsgroups.  "Coming up next on the
Exploding Kibo Channel..."

Bill Marcum  bmarcum@world.std.com


Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology
From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr)
Subject: Kibo and KFC?
Organization: Population Research Institute
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 14:38:31 GMT

	Rumor has it that Kentucky Fried Chicken has been Kibo-ized.
They have scorned their traditional named in favor of the more hip-sounding
"KFC" name.  ("Yo, let's go down to KFC and get some wings!" sounds much
more hip than "Mommy, can we go to Kentucky Fried Chicken!?")
	Rumor has it that KFC now really stands for "Kibo Food Court".

--Dave
-- 
System Administrator, Population Research Institute    barr@pop.psu.edu
I'd rather be rich than stupid.       |       Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.
Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology,alt.folklore.urban
From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: David Letterman
Reply-To: kibo@world.std.com
Organization: Between a rock and a type specimen sheet, Boston.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 04:47:20 GMT

[]
	Today, at 12:46:10am Eastern US time, David Letterman said
"Kibo" on the air.  Anyone who taped tonight's show should check this
out, and prepare to experience so much enjoyment that your head could
explode.
							-- K.
From: rone@girtab.usc.edu (Ron Echeverri)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: plumbing tip
Date: 18 Aug 1992 23:20:22 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu

In article <Bt7t08.7vx@world.std.com> kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes:
>BTW, the toilet has been fixed for the last two weeks.  Also, BIFF has
>been thrown out of my bathroom, since he violated his lublease which
>said "No kids."  He was found to be one.

Does this mean i have to wait till i'm 21 so i can move to Boston?

5150
c'mon kibo. where ELSE would i move into?



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From: rone@alcor.usc.edu (Ron Echeverri)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Eskimo David Letterman
Date: 16 Aug 1992 14:33:01 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alcor.usc.edu

In article <UGDIUY@taronga.com> arielle@taronga.com (Stephanie da Silva) writes:
>So how do you pronounce Kibo?  With a long I or a long E?  Is it
>Kee-bo or Kai-bo?  I looked it up in my American Heritage and it
>weren't there.  

The American Heritage isn't hip enough to have Kibo in it.  You must look it
up in one of those old crusty and LARGE Webster's.  It'll say something about
being a geographical place somewhere in Africa, but i think "Africa" is just
a typo for "Massachussetts".

Oh, and the book says it's pronounced "keebo".  But it's such an old book,
you just really don't know if that pronounciation is correct or not.


5150
talk much, say little.  besides, i still think it's pronounced "sauerkraut"
Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology,alt.fan.warlord,alt.stupidity
From: rone@alcor.usc.edu (Ron Echeverri)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Kibocolliders (was: Re: Super Conducting Supercollider)
Date: 12 Aug 1992 17:29:30 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alcor.usc.edu

In article <25426@dog.ee.lbl.gov> sichase@csa2.lbl.gov writes about Leader Kibo:
)He seems to be one of those folks who are famous for being famous - kinda
)like Charles Nelson Riley or the Gabor sisters.
)
)-Scott
)--------------------
)Scott I. Chase			"The question seems to be of such a character
)SICHASE@CSA2.LBL.GOV		that if I should come to life after my death
)				and some mathematician were to tell me that it
)				had been definitely settled, I think I would
)				immediately drop dead again."      - Vandiver

 This is worthy of inclusion into your .sig, Kibo. Whaddya think?

5150
what about Larry "Kib... er, Bud" Melman?
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From: csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu (C Squared)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Would anyone care to tell me...
Date: 15 Aug 92 11:02:10 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Originator: csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu

In article <Bt0Cx9.7Ft@world.std.com> kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes:
>In article <1992Aug15.010818.13645@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu (C Squared) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug13.235955.20413@CAM.ORG> emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend) writes:
>>>Would anyone care to tell me....just what the heck kibology is?
>>>
>>Yes
>
>Well, not exactly.  You forgot the clause about William Shatner's chest wig.
>
Oops, sorry!

C Squared
From: csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu (C Squared)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: WHAT IS KIBOLOGY?  a quick quiz.
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:10:14 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Originator: csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu

In article <Bt7tJr.8GH@world.std.com> kibo@world.std.com writes:
>[]
>	The anser to the following question will be in the third version
>of the FAQ, whenever I have enough time to work on it (I'm busy doing
>two logos tonight, and I have a plate of meat loaf on my lap now, and
>it's HOT!  Ow.)
>
>	KIBOLOGY IS:
>
>	a) a religion that considers Kibo to be both God and the Devil
>
>	b) a philosophy of life that says "you're allowed"
>
>	c) the science of studying Kibo's every move and thought
>
>	d) the art of asking, "Who's Kibo?  What's Kibology?"
>
>	e) a small penguin who tries but can't succeed-o
>
>	f) Other
>							-- K.

	g) Who the fuck cares?

C Squared
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers
From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle)
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 17:24:07 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

mellon@iti.org (Ted Lemon) writes:
>>Say you are writing an e-mail user interface..  how do you select
>>recipients to a message which is being composed?  With a window'd
>>interface the program could include an address book where the user
>>keeps names & addresses of people s/he communicates with.
>I'm sorry, but this is an incredibly bad example.   The domain of all
>people I might send EMail to is very, very large; putting it on a
>point-and-click menu would be a very bad idea.   I'd much rather be able
>to type in the address and use fuzzy pattern matching and/or command
>completion against a list of valid addresses I'd used before to correct
>any speling erors.

       Global Village's FAX software for their Teleport modems offers a
point-and-click addressing mechanism with both groups and pattern matching.
It's straightforward for the simple operations and powerful enough for
mailing lists.  FAX, being a more modern technology than E-mail, seems to
be provided with more modern user interfaces.

					John Nagle
From: tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:57:36 GMT
Reply-To: tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen)
Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Colorado Springs, CO
Originator: tchrist@pixel.convex.com
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

From the keyboard of cyberoid@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Jacobson):
:I find the equation of GUI with duncedness to be laughable.

Risible though it may be in theory, in practice, that's how it works.

:Design better GUIs.  Fix the network to permit access to
:graphical interfaces.  Go the next step to the virtual
:interface.

Yes, that would help.  But it's simply not being done.

:Retreat to line commands?  Preposterous.

The preposterous notion here is that we should be forced to use an
interface that lets us get less work done than we were previously able to
do, and is less configurable, modular, extensible, and automatable.

GUIs as generally implemented today are like the emperor with no clothes.
They are clearly a step backwards in software technology.  We're told
they're a priori "better", merely because you don't have to know
anything to use it.  Bah!

Perhaps I should have entitled my essay "GUIs as Generally Implemented
and Pushed on Us by Non-Technical Salesmen Considered Harmful".

A program with separable API, CLI, and GUI modules is much better than a
monolith carved in stone.  And preferably for both the CLI and the GUI
UIs, you can drop in different modules depending on the O/S and shop
preferences.  The programmer needs metaUIs for the CLI and GUI aspects.

For example, on UNIX, the CLI is pretty standard: 

    cmd [-options] [input files ...]

although commands like indent and dd both violate these in different
ways.  You'd perhaps like to be able to plop in a VMS CLI.

The GUI UI should be selectable from many possibilities, depending on
whether you're on a Mac, a Motif or OpenLook shop, or a curses-addressable
terminal.  The programmer should program in a metaGUI which usually
doesn't care.  Obviously some things do not lend themselves to certain
interfaces, like doing scientific visualization on a curses-only interface.
But many things which currently require fancy graphics boxes don't.

xmh is a fine example of something that would have greatly benefited
from more modular, configurable design.  

--tom
-- 
    Tom Christiansen      tchrist@convex.com      convex!tchrist

One word sums up probably the responsibility of any vice president,
and that one word is 'to be prepared'.  --Vice President Dan Quayle
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.x,comp.human-factors
From: "David Herron" <david@twg.com>
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Sensitivity: Personal
Encoding:  57 TEXT , 4 TEXT 
Conversion: Prohibited
Organization: The Wollongong Group, Inc., Palo Alto, CA
Conversion-With-Loss: Prohibited
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:21:15 GMT


GUI's are (potentially anyway) a vast improvement over CLI driven software.
It requires less cognitive space/effort for a user to navigate through the
options in a window'd interface than it does to navigate a CLI'd (or even
CURSES) driven interface.  This is because there is constantly a representation
on the screen of the current status, while in the CLI model (and to a lesser
extent the CURSES model) the user must be able to visualize a lot of things.

To a computer expert (I've been programming for 19.5 years now) this 
visualization is second nature.  In order to design/write/debug software
we must be able to visualize computer processes.  Most people do not have
that sort of background and thus have a hard time with it.

This may be the source of the comments that

	Unix is user hostile
or	Unix is hard to use/learn
or	I shouldn't have to be a programmer just to format my text
or	&c...

A lot of your comments are good.  Not all the world, after all, is a GUI 
screen.  Some of is VT100's (or worse) and other parts are shell scripts
running at 3AM from cron.




"It has been noted that GUIs make simple things simple, and complex ones
impossible."

This need not be true ... there's a design principle called "80/20" which
may be the cause of this result, though.

"Being needlessly forced to click the mouse over a menu will
slow down the expert user who is more comfortable with a keyboard
interface."

This is also not (always) true.  In TOG's book on user interfaces he
claims they (Apple) studied this and found that users on keyboard driven
interfaces were generally slower than ones on mouse driven ones.

In any case ... with a keyboard interface the user generally must
remember all the options, and getting them wrong means retyping.
Say you are writing an e-mail user interface..  how do you select
recipients to a message which is being composed?  With a window'd
interface the program could include an address book where the user
keeps names & addresses of people s/he communicates with.  The computer
remembers the spelling of everything, reducing errors from transcription
etc etc.  Fewer errors means it is more likely the job will be done
right the first time, meaning fewer times when a message will have
to be re-addressed and re-sent.

With a CLI (curses) interfact, there generally is not enough bandwidth
between application & screen & user to present the address book as
a scrolled list.  So usually the user must type things by hand, etc,
leading towards more errors, and so on.


<- David Herron <david@twg.com> (work) <david@davids.mmdf.com> (home)
<-
<- "ISO is really just another politically correct one-world fantasy
<-  of the U.N." -- Gordon McLachlan (LAN Computing, Aug 1992, p. 37)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.x,comp.human-factors
From: markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Hunk)
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 02:08:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.181915.2357@twg.com> "David Herron" <david@twg.com> writes:
>To a computer expert (I've been programming for 19.5 years now) this 
>visualization is second nature.  In order to design/write/debug software
>we must be able to visualize computer processes.  Most people do not have
>that sort of background and thus have a hard time with it.

Speak for yourself.  When I write software, I derive it via purely algebraic
manipulations with little or no regard to what process is actually going on.

For instance, the Tower of Hanoi solution below is typical of what I do.  I
don't even need to bother testing or debugging it, since I already PROVED
it will work (under the assumption that long integers are 32 bits, that the
parameter N (below) is <= 31, that you're compiling with an ANSI-C compiler,
and your system has sufficient memory.).

I haven't the slightest idea what it's actually doing and never even bothered
trying to visualize it.  All I know is that it works.

/* Towers of Hanoi solution.  Non-recursive. */
#include <stdio.h>

/* Move a stack of N objects from tower A to C, using B */
void Hanoi(int N, char A, char B, char C) {
   unsigned long X = 0; char D;
   while (1) {
      if (N&1) D = B, B = C, C = D;
      for (; N > 0; N--) X = (X + 1) << 1;
      for (; X&1; X >>= 1, N++) D = A, A = B, B = D;
      if (X == 0) break;
      printf("Move %d from %c to %c.\n", N + 1, A, B);
      D = C, C = B, B = A, A = D, X--;
   }
}

main() { Hanoi(3, 'a', 'b', 'c'); }
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