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From: susanc@rice.edu (susan chacko)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Curious observation.
Keywords: Is it just me ?
Date: 18 Aug 1992 22:23:00 GMT
Organization: Rice University

+vijay@rels.uiuc.edu (Vijay R) writes:

>I find this amazing - the balance Indian women have been able to maintain in
>their dress-style. Indian men seldom wear traditional clothes, especially
>not to classes but Indian women have somehow managed to maintain their
>traditional pride as depicted by their wearing saris and churidars even though
>those outfits are not part of the local wardrobe. 

Eons of evolution, in theory, should have developed a traditional garb
that's perfectly suited to the temperature, humidity, and occupation
of the local residents. The traditional cotton salwar-kameez, for example,
is light, loose, comfortable in the hottest or most humid weather,
practical whether walking through mud puddles or running for a bus,
provides a good lap for children and small animals, washes easily,
and provides good coverage in these times of holes in the ozone layer.

Mundus (the kind with the neat folded fan at the back), ghagras, 
and churidars share most of the same attributes.

The sari, while retaining some of these advantages, rates somewhat
lower on the practicality scale, since when worn gracefully it covers
the feet, thus making bus-catching impractical unless one hitches it
up, which would cause aesthetic problems. The nine-yard sari is 
definitely practical for sprinting, though the effects of having
nine yards of material wrapped around you in humid weather are not
entirely pleasant. Aesthetically, though, and especially in a formal
environment, saris are hard to beat, and are economical too, since 
one can produce a variety of outfits just by wearing it 'regular' style, 
Gujarati style or Coorgi style.

On the other side of the gender barrier, mundus and kurta-pyjama 
would appear to have evolved to similar heights of optimization.
My informants on the other side of the gender barrier tell me
that they're unbeatable for comfort. And really, kurta-pyjama
is not as different from trousers and shirts as, say, a churidar-
kurta is from a skirt-and-heels.

Few of these outfits, male or female, are really practical in 
Midwest winters, of course. But even in the midwest, summer
does eventually appear. And the climate of Houston or Miami is
remarkably similar to Bombay. Yet one very rarely sees any male wear
a kurta to school or work. Churidars abound, and even some saris.
So why is traditional Indian clothing taboo for men?

Susan.



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From: balarama@cae.wisc.edu (Prabhu Balaraman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: CULTURAL VOLUME -3: CALL FOR CONTRIBUTIONS !!!
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:34:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Aug14.123445.20964
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering


				Yes, we mean it!!

		 CULTURAL VOLUME -3: CALL FOR CONTRIBUTIONS !!! 

     Hello All!

       We are a bunch of net.culture.enthusiasts who would like to
       keep alive a fine tradition initiated by Dr C.P.Ravikumar,
       that of collating and editing a "SCI Cultural Volume". Dr C.P.R
       coaxed and cajoled our very own net.writers, both closet
       and confirmed, into contributing some very good literary
       and cultural articles for the first two Cultural Volumes,
       and we humbly attempt to do the same for "Cul Vol 3". So,
       friends, heed this call, let your creative talents loose,
       and help show the world what we've got!

     Looking forward to hearing from you. Please send e-mail

     Prabhu Balaraman (balarama@cae.wisc.edu)
     Ajay Divakaran   (divaka@rpi.edu)
     Plus an anonymous net.culture.enthusiast!
  --------------------------------------------------------------

     Yo all ye folks on SCI,
     heed, for contributions, this call.
     For we plan to produce CV-3,
     by the start of coming fall!

     Bury that hatchet,
     pick up a pen instead.
     For, a pen is mightier,
     it has been said!

     Be warned, this posting will recur,
     to nag, remind and pester,
     until enough articles to fill CV-3,
     we manage to muster!

     So, yo all ye folks on SCI,
     heed, for contributions, this call.
     We need your two cents worth,
     and we are counting on you all!     
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko)
Subject: Re: A Man From Tone
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:28:26 GMT



S.Nag gives me cause for much alarm
As he drools over his copy of Mast Ram
Twitching strangely and and chanting Amarjyothi
Beating off into his verminous dhoti
A candidate for the funny farm?
From: tmohan@iastate.edu (Thyagarajan Mohan)
Subject: Testmail
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 02:52:44 GMT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: adaga@black.clarku.edu (anand daga)
Subject: test
Organization: Clark University (Worcester, MA)
Date: 14 Aug 92 23:12:07 GMT

sorry
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From: raja@magic (Raja Seth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Fair and lovely: Remember that face cream ?
Keywords: color skin
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:17:32 GMT
Reply-To: raja@ctron.com
Organization: Cabletron Systems Inc.,


In response to the e-mails I am receiving : pointing out that there are
many Indian words  of European origin :

May be. But 'caste' is in English. Suppose the author had chosen to 
talk about the etymology of 'jati' that will be quite acceptable. 
But the name 'caste' never existed for the varnas until the Europeans
 decided to understand 'jati' in their own way. It
is their own understanding of the varnas and hence 'caste' 
should NOT be used as the basis for understanding the Indian system 
of varnas. 'jati' or 'varnasrama' existed long long before 'caste' 
as a word. Existence of many portuguese or European words in the Indian
languages is not proof enough.

Hope this is clearer.

regards........raja



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| The company I work for has no claim or liability
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| Morality is self-imposed, legality is enforced.
| In the modern world, legality is replacing morality !
| Or is it really modern ?
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| I hate legality for it makes life more complicated. 
| But what I do with my morality is my own business.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Subject: I didnt know my humour was this bad .....
Reply-To: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 19:36:46 GMT


I tried my level best to make my  posting (punning on mr. chadha ?)
in which I `was looking for ****'/(looking for a girlfrient over TCP/IP).

But then I got a serious response from an american.  (She requested that
I do not disclose her identity.  I decided not to disclose the contents
itself.  The poor lady, was embarrassed, to no end.)  I am posting this is
as a DISCLAIMER-like informative announcement.

I am NEVER SERIOUS. (but who knows?).  So if I announce that I am following
bhagavan Arindam, or something else, do NOT believe me.  It is a failure
to be humourous.  I know I am criminally liable for having  brought SCI and
its `contents' to abominable levels, and total disgrace to the indian community
in general.  But, then, hey! everyone must be given a chance, time amd time
again, till he improves.  (I didnt say `he/she', and you know why).

You are free to email me (after seeing each posting of mine) to confirm if
 my latest  attempts at humour became another SLV-D1 launch.  I
guarantee that I shall reply immedietly to clarify.


Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
From: shivakl@ctrvx2.vanderbilt.edu (LAKSHMANAN SHIVAKUMAR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Info required on the status of tax exemption bill
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:29:00 GMT
Organization: Vanderbilt University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Can anyone educate me on the status of the tax bill proposed 
in the congress that exempts grad students from taxes?  The
tax bill is HR4418.  The last info I got on it was that it 
had been combined with another bill and that it was to be voted 
upon at the senate.

Thanks in advance,

Regards,
Shivakumar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: akc@research.att.com (abhijit kumar choudhury)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: query about customs regulations
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:36:17 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.indian
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories


If a woman coming from India on a non-immigrant visa (H-4/F-1/F-2)
wants to bring some of her jewelry ( more than can be worn on her
person while travelling ), should it be entered in her passport ?  If
she doesn't, the Indian Customs could claim that she is importing gold
when she goes back for a visit and charge her duty on the ornaments,
right ?  Does anyone out there have any experience with this ?
I'd appreciate some advice ( please send email ). Thanks !

abhijit choudhury
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From: shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: INFO REQD: source for Indian CDs in Bay Area?
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:47:44 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

What is a good source for Indian CDs in the SF Bay Area (preferably
South Bay or South-East Bay)?  I'm mostly interested in classical and
light-classical stuff.

There used to be the old Shreemati's which had a >200 CDs, but which
has regrettably gone out of business.  I have also heard of some store
up in Milpitas which has CDs. Any details?

Much obliged,
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Silicon Graphics Inc.			Phone:	+1-415-390-2072
From: pvittal@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: NOMAN from VJTI
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:54:45 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services


hi 

I am Noman Rangwala  from VJTI, Bombay. I would like to get in touch with

Renuka - university of iowa
tarun	- marquette university
please mail to


noman@blackstone.eece.unm.edu

thanx in advance

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: skc@Turing.ORG (Shriram K. Chaubal)
Subject: Re: Indian babes ....
Followup-To:  poster
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:19:51 GMT

>
>I think I am kinda lost . What's happening in this discussion anyway?

Do you really care ??? *grin*

Shri


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From: sprasad@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Joining Tulane - want information
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:26:04 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

Dear Netter,

I am joining Freeman Business School at Tulane University this fall.  I need to
get in touch with someone in Tulane preferably someone in business school.  
I want to know if someone can pick me up at the airport, I am comming on 22nd
August.

Thanks in advance.

S. Prasad
SPRASAD@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU
Phone: (419) 475 7756 (Home)
       (419) 539 6031 (Office)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Subject: Re: why satti is practiced
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:07:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.175936.11045@cs.wayne.edu> uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar) writes:
>
>Hmmmm.  It is now clear to me that you do not view sati as concept, but
>as a inhuman practice as it is practised today.  I am arguing , was and
>shall, that there is nothing immoral or barbaric about the concept of
>sati itself.  But, you are more down to earth, concentrating on sati
>as it is practised today and was practised yesterday.

Please educate me. How is Sati (as practised today) different from Sati 
(as practised yesterday) ? Perhaps the only difference is that it was 
voluntary back then and has become a tradition today. 

>But I still do not approve of the usage of the word
>SUICIDE with reference to sati (inthe theoretical discussion)
>(leave aside the practise as it is today).

Please tell me what Sati was like 'yesterday' and we can then compare 
if SUCIDE is the appropriate word to associate with it or not.

>Not just you, but a whole lot of people use suicide to
>describe sati.  Though the origins of sati (in the
>scriptures) -- sati immolates herself to avoid the
		    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Could you give me another synonym for the above other than 'sucide'.
I can't think of any other. 

>humiliation -- are different, hinduism `modified' it, if you get what
>I am talking about.          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You mean 'modified' it to the status of Murder ?

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From: dheeraj@cs.umd.edu (Dheeraj Sanghi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Abortion and the status of women
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:57:34 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In an article alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:
>In an article sanghi@wam.umd.edu (Dheeraj Sanghi) writes:

>> So far, I have not compared the status of women in India and in US. Thus
>> the above comments are quite irrlevant to the whole discussion. If you
>> are interested in discussing my views of US, we should do it over the
>> e-mail.

>Why not on the net ?

Because I don't have so much time as you seem to have.

>You seem to bring out South African comparison in your
>argument. What's wrong if Rohit brings out the comparison of 
>the status of women in India to that in US ?

Let me include the comment of Rohit to which I had replied above.

	> There is nothing wrong in being westernised, if that is what
	> people want. But it is crazy for Indians, who come from the
	> land of Buddha and Gandhi, to be apologising to the US.

Now, this doesn't seem to be comparison of status of women in India and
US, or does it, Alok. (He had indeed compared to some extent in another
post, but that is besides the point.) Actually, there is nothing wrong
in comparing the two societies. I am sure we can learn a lot from the
comparison. But such a comparison was largely irrelevant to the original
discussion, and I didn't have time to get involved in an extended
discussion. I would, of course, like to learn from other posters, if they
were to compare the two societies.


>> If you want to judge the culture and civilization of a people you can find
>> that out by the status and conditions of the women of the country. - Nehru
>
>Status of women appears to be the worst in Uttar Pradesh - Nehru's home state.

Even worse than, may I suggest, Rajasthan ??


>Nehru had double standards when it came to status of women.
>I wouldn't want to see a quote from him on this issue.

So, I shouldn't post a quote from him. As you say, Sir. I will change my
.signature.

>
>Alok


-dheeraj
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rgm4@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Raghuram G Murtugudde)
Subject: Re: Why India abstained from endorsing the use of force?
Reply-To: rgm4@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Raghuram G Murtugudde)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:20:52 GMT


 I think the Yougoslav republics have voted for independence and it's not 
 really an internal matter anymore. Serbs are getting help from outside and
 a proxy war is being run. I don't think India is so wise to abstain from
 the vote just because they want status quo in Kashmir.
 
 If I say Kashmir is still a part of India  I will be opening a whole can
 of worms. But ethnic cleansing that's being carried out in Bosnia and
 Herzegovina calls for international intervention without any doubt, in
 my  opinion. India's abstention just goes to say that India can never
 stand up and say anything on its own in public. India manages to look
 inadequate in its stand on most issues. 

 US has officially declared that Pak is supporting terrorist activities
 within India and abstaining on the Serbian issue because of Kashmir
 makes it seem like India has something to hide rather than any ideological
 problem. China claims to be staunchly against use of force in any situation
 and hence its abstention. 

 The point is that, India has to take a stand with a clear statement about
 why it is doing so. Foreign policy has never been a strong point of any
 government since independence. It is time to put some able person in this
 seat rather than an inadequate politician like Solanki or even PVN Rao.

 I have avoided the issue of Kashmir but I think the situation in Bosnia
 definitely needs to be resolved even if it means use of force. Of course,
 India's abstention is not as bad as the hypocracy of George Bush who was
 screaming just a while ago about how the world looked up to him for
 leadership. I guess, what's now a cliche is unfortunately true: the poor
 muslims being summarily executed have no oil to offer the architect of the
 NEW WORLD ORDER.
 Raghu
From: mukesh@virus.mips.com (Mukesh Vyas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Capital Max
Date: 17 Aug 1992 16:49:29 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: virus.mips.com


  Hi,


  In relation to the overwhelming response to my posting on "Capital Max" I would
  suggest you folks to contact Rajiv Gupta at :

        Tel   : 415-941-9714
        email : gupta@hplrg.hpl.hp.com


  Mukesh Vyas

>
>
> Hi netters,
>
> Here is some investment information I would like to share with you.
>
> Last year I heard about Capital Max, an investment management company
> in India,  that invests primarily in Indian companies. It offers
> equity to NRIs on a preferential basis.  Fundamentally Capital Max
> uses the fact that I am investing in foreign currency to buy shares at
> par, and then immediately turns around and sells the shares at the
> higher prevailing market rates.  The returns are completely
> repatriable.
>
> I heard about Capital Max from a friend and at that time the company
> only invested for a select group of clients.  I delved deeper into the
> company and liked the approach and service they offered. I decided to
> invest in Capital Max and my rate of return so far has been more
> than 40%. The returns are supposed to be as high as ** 60% **  if you
> elect to keep them in Rupees. And in either case Capital Max does not
> report to the IRS. So you could choose to make it tax free :-)
>
>
> Mukesh Vyas
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>    Phone : Home   : (408) 736-9741
>          Office : (408) 524-8459
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>          Sunnyvale, CA 94086
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> -- I haven't lost my mind -- it's backed up on tape somewhere.





Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Icarus)
Subject: Re: Icarusong Volume I. -- Icarus.
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:24:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.135614.10765@Firewall.Nielsen.Com> mgundeko@pcserver2.Naitc.Com (Murthy Gundekota) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.225118.25372@colorado.edu> paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Icarus) writes:
>>1] In response to some requests for all articles and because of my
>>   irrepressible narcissism I commit the unthinkable: 
>
>Seems like it's time for
>alt.culture.indian.kerala-catholic-narcisst-writers
>;-)
>

1] Everything except the catholic bit.
   It would have been nicer if you hadnt brought in my religion, 
   presumed or otherwise.

>Stay warm and pontificate cool,
>
>Murthy

2] Still, I must admit its not a bad idea, maybe ahead of its time,
   but it has merit. :-)
   
3] Stay Cool.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rajkumar@ece.orst.edu (Rajkumar Vedam)
Subject: Re: Where Programmers are...
Originator: rajkumar@coho.ECE.ORST.EDU
Keywords: Programmers, Statistics
Organization: Oregon State University, Corvallis
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 22:03:28 GMT


In article <1992Aug12.214522.16908@cc.tut.fi> jk87377@cc.tut.fi (Juhana Kouhia) writes:
>
>In article <10455@wrgate.wr.tek.com> nagesh@loowit.wr.tek.com (Nagesh
>Rao) writes:
>>
>>Software Developers and their Managers by country in 1990
>>---------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>Country			Programmers	Managers 	Total
>>-------			-----------	--------	-----
>>USA			1,693,200	253,980		1,947,180
>>USSR			1,445,000	216,750		1,661,750
>>India			1,252,500	187,875		1,440,375
>>China			  990,000	148,500		1,138,500
>>Japan			  850,000	127,500		  977,500
>
>
>Maybe this is explaned with the size of population.
>I would like to see a similar list listed as percent
>from the total population of country.
>
>I think (guess) India is far at bottom with China.
>
>Where was Finland? Augh.  :-)
>
>Juhana Kouhia


Relative figures of merit are important in
some cases. It is beyond me to speculate
why an absolute figure of merit will not
suffice here !


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