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From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Cheese-Louise
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:38:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Nov23.173833.3126
Organization: insert anything here

nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>Mr. Coren writes:
>>...oh. Well are we talking about your 21st (upcoming) or the year of
>>your birth? Gets different results, y'know.

>Argh, I hate leap years. The upcoming year, not the year of my birth.

>ObMotss - what could be more queer than randomly adding an extra day
>into your year? The chronological decorating coup of the millenium.
>BTW, was Charles Fort gay? He invented a great calendar..

	Is that the one with 13 motnhs of 28 days?  Then ouy
have either one or two leap days every year (two every fourth
year except for the 100th, 200th and 300th years that still only
have one)... :-)

	The nice thing about this calendar is that the days of the
week are the same in every month --- that didn't come out right
did it?  What I mean is the 1st, say will ALWAYS be a Sunday.

	The bad thing is that there will never be a Blue Moon.
Of course there are the months that will have NO Full Moon
every now and then...

	The big question is what to name the 13th month!
The zodiac already has that taken care of - most of
Scorpio is really Ophiuchus anyway...  (the serpent bearer...
ObMotss: Was Ophiuchus gay? --- it's an awfully big serpent).

	(Waldeaux wants it named after him)

	I'm sure that the majorr opponents to this other
calendar would be the Church... the irony of course bein
that the calendar is largely based upon Pagan symbols
and numerology...  It would be nice to get the new year back
to March 21st though... or January 4th (time of perigee).

	Then there's the question - where does Memorial Day go?
And of course everyone's birthday gets reassigned... :-)

BBC
Xref: sparky soc.motss:48789 rec.pets.cats:14026
From: ren@Turing.ORG (Karen Prestemon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: gayfolk and cats
Date: 22 Nov 92 04:16:42 GMT
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.


I just want to comment that I don't know a single gay person who owns
a cat (and A LOT of my college friends have come out of the closet within
the past two years!).  I don't know a single gay person with a pet, for
that matter. My husband has a bi friend with two cats... does that count?

Anyway, how did this thread start in the first place? 

--Karen (very soon to be owner of a new kitty!) 
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From: cc4507@u.cc.utah.edu (Chucki Carpinello)
Subject: Re: Food for thought, was : Bear Crap
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Student Mail Machine
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 00:05:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.193223.8017@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:
>>>>GDM:
>>>>I realize we're probably not going to do away with the prejudice
>>>>against "overweight" any time soon; but there is no reason
>
>>Are you suggesting that tall people be felled like trees?  ;^)
>>Your analogy does not wash, m'dear.  The common perception, right or
>>wrong, is that people can control their weight through exercise and
>>diet.  With vertical stature, one gets what one's genes dictate.  No
>>amount of "Richard Simmons' Deal-A-Meal" would shorten (or lengthen)
>>people.  Only a bandsaw could do that.

	Deal-A-Meal or any other diet will do anything for a person who 
is organically overweight.
	I'm 15, and when I told myself there was nothing i could do about
being gay
and my mom started datin' an alkahalic bum, I became very depressed
and no "i-depressant" seemed to make me feel any better....  Finally
the doc put me on this crap and upped the MDD to something he shouldn't have..
nedless to say, it worked, but it made me gain about 200lbs..
	I've triied for a year to loose some weight, but I can't.. it's
horrible!  I've lost 50 pounds so i'm about 250 now...but theese
dumb rip off diets do no good.. :(

-chucki c


-- 
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		  Chucki.Carpinello@M.cc.Utah.EDU  <=>  chucki@acm.rpi.edu
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From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: What Gay Sex (was Re: How Many Homosexuals?)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:12:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.000530.29451@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
> ObMotss - after learning the word "chthonian" (from what source, I am
> ashamed to admit), I did my damndest to use it in an English paper.
> And I finally got the chance, in 10th grade, writing some silly
> exposition. My teacher never even remarked on it, just let it go right
> by.

Probably ashamed to admit he didn't recognize it.
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From: lsg001@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Graham Wilson)
Subject: Re: Men Not Getting It
Organization: Legal Department - Coventry University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:19:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.234935.11160@psych.toronto.edu> paul@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Hastings) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov15.175029.11147@cis.ohio-state.edu>, 
>>amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
>
>>|> the classic route for straight guys to get it is having a daughter.
>
>As I understand it, it's illegal just about everywhere for men to
>"get it" from their daughters.
>Or sons, for that matter.
>
>What's all this about men not getting it, anyways?  I mean, really,
>are things that slow across the continent that so little action 
>happens?  Have you tried turning of your terminals and doing a 
>little cruising face-to-face (or some other body part)?  I mean,
>I don't have to try that hard to get it.  Why, just las-- 


** In England people are so reluctant to talk in bars. You just need
   to be very forward - That's what I do. It usually works wonders.
   He. he. Heeee.


   
-- 
         *********************************************************
         *      Graham Wilson      *  lsg001@cck.coventry.ac.uk  *
         *     LL.B.  Law  III     *     Coventry  University    *
         *********************************************************
From: owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Hate Gene (was Re: Social Democracy)
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:12:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.225857.7844@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> 
> In article <17930@autodesk.COM> owen@autodesk.com (D.  Owen
> Rowley) writes:
> >Like the rest of her ilk, Ms shore never speaks directly to
> >individuals or issues which offer substantive differences of
> >opinion from her own.
> 
> Hey, I get it!  Like you did here, huh?

No Jess, like I did in the two articles i posted last week, the ones
which didn't elicit as much as a peep from you.

You've built your reputation by posting massive amounts of reply-drek
Articles overflowing with sappy commentary and mock parental nattering.

But you never comment on the substance of what i post, you wait for 
a confrontational opportunity. You understand me well enough to know 
it will come, but you apparently don't grok that it exposes the baser
part of your nature.

> >A lovely .signature, it certainly got me to pay more
> >attention to you :-)
> Well, what a winner that must be for all concerned, at least
> them of a certain ilk.

You're really slipping Jess, you used to be able to quip better than this.

But you did remember to remove the substance I was commenting about.

Isn't there some traffic in your town you can go play in ?

LUX ./. owen


--
D. Owen Rowley {uunet,fernwood,sun}!autodesk!owen

  " It will be a cold March 17th that I celebrate the imposition of
	Romes rule, on Pagan Ireland. Erin go ppphhhhhttttttt! "
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane)
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 16 Nov 92 09:58:46 GMT

mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:

>In article <69575@cup.portal.com>, Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>[]
>  You know, the only person in this forum that I can think of who 
>consistantly, repetitively, and boorisly whines about people other
>than His Type is GDM. It's really quite boring, and probably indicative
>of some sort of insecurity.  
>  Feh.

oh no. now you've done it.  you have let the big soc.motss anti-bear
conspiracy out of the bag by criticising george.  i'm sure we'll hear
all about it now from him, though...

--mike
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Hate Crime (was Re: "Gay-Bashing")
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:10:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.46286
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <1992Nov22.030837.23856@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <46136@ogicse.ogi.edu> markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark
>Morrissey) writes:
>
>I think you deleted too much of the context, Mark.  His
>point was not to sanction violent *acts* against anyone, but
>rather to assert that even hateful *beliefs* cannot be
>criminalized.

Yes, I know that his point was not to argue about sanctioning acts
but to make clear that beliefs cannot be criminalized.  However, what
are beliefs in action?  I felt that the part I quoted left a large
latitude in its interpretation.  I wasn't really arguing with the
thought so much as the presentation.

>>How can the existence of hate crime statutes be an
>>abridgement of the rights to free expression of belief?
>
>Some so-called hate crime statutes punish not acts of
>violence but rather acts of speech.  Although most of those
>tested so far in the courts have been struck down as
>unconstitutional, this seems very likely to change in the
>near future.  He's saying, in effect, that this would be a
>very bad thing, and I must agree.

If I spend all my time espousing my *beliefs* against a certain
category of citizen (ala Tom Metzger of neo-Nazi fame) and someone
else acts on the *suggestion* of violence which I espouse, can
I be held responsible?  If I tell someone my belief that someone should
die and that person goes out and kills that person, am I responsible?

These are the types of ``acts of speech'' that I feel can be legislated.

You disagree?

Thank you for the book suggestion - I'll run down to Powell's the
day after Thanksgiving and pick it up.

--mark
---
Mark Morrissey     markm@cse.ogi.edu     Hate is NOT a Family Value.
"You picked a bad day.  Pat Buchanan's here, and he's passing out a
petition to get the name of the species changed to hetero-sapien..."
 - Phil, the bar owner on "Murphy Brown"
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From: bob@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Bob Lodenkamper)
Subject: Re: New Catholic Catechism
Organization: Computer Systems Laboratory, Stanford University
	<1eb4csINN3cn@alice.cs.purdue.edu>
	<1992Nov17.180448.27247@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu>
	<1992Nov18.040808.29552@spdcc.com>
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:22:34

In article <1992Nov18.040808.29552@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve
Dyer) writes: 

   It is useful to realize that 1000 years of Thomist philosophy
   yields a grindstone somewhat more sophisticated than your typical
   Bible Belt Fundamentalist shouting about "choice".

Trying for understatement of the year, I see.

- Bob
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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:37:40 GMT

stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants) writes:

>In article <Bxtpv1.B15@fig.citib.com> glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
>>
>>In article <BxsBwH.EGF@queernet.org>, rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>>|> In article <1992Nov15.162201.11450@wixer.cactus.org>, lazarus@wixer.cactus.org
>>|> (Michael Lax) writes:
>>|> |> Some of us think he's a hunk, others think he's white trash.
>>|> 
>>|> Some of us think he's both.
>>
>>I wouldn't push him off if he sat on *my* face.
>>
>Oh.  Is there a queue forming?  :-)

Yeah. I wanna sit on Greg's face too.

--
John Dorrance        * Sexyfunky Motherfuckerdiva *   thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

		I bet if you threw that ass into the air
			It'd turn into sunshine!
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From: rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: TORCH SONG (was Re: Effeminacy/Butchitude (was Re: discrimination at CMU))
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:52:10 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1992Nov19.022458.25965@netcom.com>, jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
writes:

|> The first production I saw, at Theatre Rhinoceros in San Francisco, was one
|> of the first productions anywhere - I don't believe the last two acts had
|> even been written yet.

Then it wasn't TORCH SONG TRILOGY.  It was THE INTERNATIONAL STUD.  TST was
originally three separate one-acts; they were reworked for the three-acter
called TORCH SONG TRILOGY.

(The other plays, I believe, are called FUGUE FOR A NURSERY and WIDOWS AND
CHILDREN FIRST.)

Incredibly bad theater idea #267 was implemented by Boston's Triangle Theater
some time in the mid-1980's, when they decided to put on, under the name TORCH
SONG TRILOGY, not the edited play but the three original one-acts.

Wake me when you're done, Arnold...
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG              {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!sgiblab!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:43:07 GMT

Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:

>I'd like to see some quotes from my postings to support this
>stream of unmitigated bullshit.  When those who are fond of 
>what the media purveys as the "way to look" talk about it, that's
>what is "expected." When someone like myself, or several others
>talk about what *WE* like that happens to be different from this,
>we get the line that we're trying to "force" our tastes on
>others -- as if that were possible, and as if WE weren't being
>inundated by the "mainstream" images.

>Sound familiar?

I don't have a problem with you talking about what you like. I *do*
have a problem with you cutting down on others because of what they
like. Clear enough?

>>But to hear you talk, if he wasn't positively matted with fur he
>>might as well look like the elephant man, and you'd never be able
>>to love him. Sad.

>Frankly, you don't know enough about me to make any statements
>about what I find attractive, particularly about what might
>involve my falling in love with someone.  This is nothing more
>than a particularly crude verbal swipe.

I'll agree that it was pretty harsh, but your postings indicate
that the amount of appealingness is directly proportionate to the
amount of body hair. That's a cartoon of a sexuality, and it's
pretty shallow, and easily leads to cartoonizations like the one
above. I apologise if it hurt you.

--
John Dorrance        * Sexyfunky Motherfuckerdiva *   thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

		I bet if you threw that ass into the air
			It'd turn into sunshine!
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From: jbeason@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Joseph E. Beason)
Subject: Re: Bear Crap
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:16:13 GMT

 but there is no reason
>> whatsoever -- bullshit aside -- that the much-vaunted (by others)
>> _International Male_ catalogue couldn't have a handsome,
>> muscular, 40ish Daddy type with a furry chest and a thick, salt
>> and pepper moustache -- or a late 20s Bear Cub with a nice beard and
>> a "torso-t" of fur to emphasize his pecs and abs.

That's why god made the farm'n'fleet catalog.  Not much skin, but I can cope.
From: rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Oprah 11/19
Date: 21 Nov 92 01:29:20 GMT
Return-Path: <amail.amdahl.com!rich.bellacera@juts.ccc.amdahl.com>

Mrs. Walter Smith.  I tried to send an email directly to you but it bounced
twice.  If you can possibly send one to me I can possibly retrieve a return
address for you.

Thank you.
Rich
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From: rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden)
Subject: Re: Military info needed
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, Ca.
	<19921112164502ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>
	<1992Nov13.170045.899@PacBell.COM>
	<KINGDON.92Nov14122626@east-win.east-wind.org>
	<KINGDON.92Nov16144940@east-win.east-wind.org>
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:00:03 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <KINGDON.92Nov16144940@east-win.east-wind.org> kingdon@east-wind.org (Jim Kingdon) writes:

       I *CANNOT* post to soc.motss, but you might pass this on. Not only
   will they try to use the UCMJ sodomy statutes against gays, the word is
   out that will try to use the "False Official Statements" offense against
   gays and lesbians who come out after the ban is lifted, since they did
   sign a statement when they entered the service that they were not gay.
   Gays in the closet in the military should stay there even after the ban
   is lifted unless they want lots of trouble.

People who come out after the ban is lifted could possibly get away
with it by saying they were telling the truth at the time, and found
out they were gay later.

Don't know how well it would work, but it's one possibility...
--

  - Ronald Hayden

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: What Gay Sex (was Re: How Many Homosexuals?)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 17:03:51 GMT


In article <1e8dcmINNhsh@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
ai888@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Flesher) writes:

>Sex at home. That's not very _gay_. I want to have sex in a 
>hotel ballroom (what better place to hold some balls), in orbit 
>over Florida (the sight of that huge peninsula drives me wild), 
>in a condom factory (while the first gay presidential candidate 
>stages a photo-op, condoms flying like flags behind him). 
>You get the idea.

Sure I do.  You're dizzy with autochthonous impulses.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden)
Subject: Re: the purpose of soc.motss (was: off-topic discussions)
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, Ca.
	<1992Nov16.033112.1805@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca>
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:50:35 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Nov16.033112.1805@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno) writes:

   By the way, that was a really dense posting.

Being the person who wrote the posting was clearly sincere (whether or
not he/she had a good point), this seems a really unnecessary comment
on your part.

--

  - Ronald Hayden

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From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: DECUS Meeting in Las Vegas
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:24:07 GMT

In article <By5F8G.272@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu>, jeh@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Jim Hubbs) writes:
> 
> For those people attending the DEC User Society symposia in
> December being held in Las Vegas, Nevada:

  You horrible slut! Like you didn't get "showed" out enough
at InterOp! This reminds me of a quote attributed to Marshall
Rose in Carl Malamud's _Exploring the Internet_ "There are
two classes of people, goers and doers," referring to the
conference folks who go to have fun, and the doers who stay
home and actually get work done (like USENET, for example).
  Given your behavior at InterOp, I guess you must be a
Goer and a Doer -- you and that McKay character...

:-)
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
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From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Subject: Re: Schedule Conflict
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:14:15 GMT

Tim Smith (tzs@carson.u.washington.edu) wrote:
> I see on the soc.motss Secret Homosexual Conspiracy Mailing-list Calendar
> that my shift for posting pro child-molestation stuff to annoy Clayton
> Cramer is coming up.
> 
> Due to an oversight on my part, I have a conflict then.  Thursday, I'm
> supposed to be cruising the local elementary school to find boys to
> convert, and Friday I'm supposed to be stuffing letters for the
> "Release Jeffrey Dahmer" effort, so I need to ask someone else
> to handle my shift here.  Gene?  Jess?
> 
> Thanks in Advance,
> --Tim Smith

Tim, like all homosexuals, is so far out of touch with Mainstream
AmeriKa (tm), that he's forgotton that Thursday is a legal holiday
and schools will be closed.  So he can spend all of Thursday
writing about what he would have been doing.  Since he won't
have to report for work Thursday, he can cover his Friday schedule 
late Thursday evening.

Mike Drayton      mdrayton@sr.hp.com       Hewlett-Packard Co.
                                           Santa Rosa, California
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