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From: hawk@hawk.sps.mot.com (George Hawkins)
Subject: Re: A word on falconry, from an expert
Organization: Motorola Inc. MMTG Oakhill Austin Texas
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:55:05 GMT

I would like to pass on a passage from the book "Medical Management of Birds
of Prey", by Dr. Patrick Redic, DVM.  Dr. Redig is considered the country's
foremost authority on raptor care, and with his forgiveness I wish to quote
from this text:
=======================

Thank You Dr. Conway for the good words! It really says it all...


regards,
George Hawkins KI5X [DXCC mobile 175]
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From: tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony Zugates)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:24:58 GMT
Subject: Re: Dull birds here....
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: rec.birds

Ok, thanks Joe...

I have started buying field guides mostly.. I am not a bird-nazi
so all I really am doing is watching them for fun.. 

I dont want to set up scientific instruments, try to talk to them
or capture and dissect them to find out how seeds turn into birdie
doo-doo, you know what I mean?

Like I said, I am just looking thru binocs from various places, 
beaches, parks etc.   

All I see are mostly brown colored birds... 

Very dull indeed.


see you.

      v
Tony  Zugec
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 07:53:55 EST
From: <PXF3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: BBQ for January 1993

Hi Birders,

Usually when Dave Rintoul posts his Kansas birding column and BBQ I send him
a little note telling him how much I enjoy them.  (I _always_ enjoy them,
but don't always take the time to tell him.) This time I thought I'd give
him a public pat on the back: Well done, Dave.  Many thanks!  Paula
--
Paula Ford   | Internet: pxf3@psuvm.psu.edu  | PO Box 674
"Snaefridh"  | Bitnet:   pxf3@psuvm          | Hollidaysburg, PA 16648
Den som har droemt Udfaerd og Daad senker ej Sejl uden med Sorg,
                                  --Bjoernstjerne Bjoernson
Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: lp@well.sf.ca.us (Lily Pond)
Subject: Bird Book
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:36:19 GMT


Someone recommended a book to me and I went and lost the info! I can't
remember the specifics, but I think it was called something like The
Complete Birder (*not* the Jack Conner book of that name). I think they said
there were 4 indexes, and they may have said something about things being on
opposite pages . . .
Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: tony@zoo.toronto.edu (Anthony L. Lang)
Subject: Help with planting native sp. in Phoenix
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:57:03 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

Can anyone recommend books or articles as well as sources of plants
and seeds for landscaping with native species for the Phoenix,
Arizona area?  I have seen a lot of natural gardens in Tuscon, but
not many in Phoenix.  A friend there just bought a house there and
thankfully doesn't want a water-guzzling lawn.  I want to recommend
ways for him to get native species (including those that would
attract birds) to grow in his yard.  Thanks.
-- 

Anthony Lang
Dept. of Zoology, 
University of Toronto
Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: r0th@ellis.uchicago.edu (Dr. Samuel Conway)
Subject: How to get Redig's "Medical Management of Birds of Prey"
Reply-To: r0th@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:15:58 GMT

I was not prepared for the overwhelming response from people who want to
know how to get Dr. Redig's book, "Medical Management of Birds of Prey".
Better to post, I think, than to do a mass-mailing.

The book is not so much a textbook as a collection of notes and essays
on various selected topics.  The subject matter, however, includes most
of the common ailments suffered by raptors, and is a good guide for
any rehabilitator and/or keeper of birds of prey.

Please note!  Redig's text is not meant to be a comprehensive guide to
avian medicine!  It is to be used as a supplemental guide for trained
personnel, such as falconers and licensed rehabilitators, and cannot take
the place of professional training.

To obtain a copy, write to:
The Raptor Center
1920 Fitch Ave.
St. Paul, MN  55108
Attn:  Sue.    (the nice lady I spoke to on the phone).

Send $15 (postage included) U.S. funds for each copy of the book you
wish to order.  Be aware that the book is currently being revised, with
the second edition due out around February 1; your order will be held until
that time, and the revised edition will be mailed to you.  If you positively
can't wait, just mention in a note that you would like to have the first
edition.

The Raptor Center of the University of Minnesota is the home of the Raptor
Research and Rehabilitation Program, which is on the cutting edge of avian
medicine (er....no pun intended).  It is worthwhile to see their facility!
A tour can be arranged by phoning 612-624-4745.

This has been a public service announcement.

Disclaimer:  I am not affiliated with the RRRP or the Raptor Center at
U. of M., although I sure as hell wish I was!

----
Dr. Samuel Conway         *  "If the guest isn't singing, 'Oh What a Beautiful
National Center for       *  Morning' I don't immediately think, 'Oh, there's
Toxicological Research,   *  another one snuffed it in the night!'  Another
Jefferson, AR             *  name in the Fawlty Towers book of Remembrance.
r0th@midway.uchicago.edu  *  I mean, this is a hotel, not the Burma Railway!"

Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: tony@zoo.toronto.edu (Anthony L. Lang)
Subject: Veery in Toronto (was Townsend's Solitaire)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:57:24 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article: <josh.726790056@pogo>
 josh@pogo.cqs.washington.edu (Josh Hayes) writes:
>
>I'm surprised that veeries are that rare in Ontario. They
>were pretty thick on the ground in SW Ohio when I lived
>there a couple years ago, and it's really not that far
>from SW Ohio to southern Ontario; maybe a couple hundred
>miles tops.

VEERIES are common in the breeding season and in migration,
around Toronto but NOT on the Christmas 
Bird Census and probably not on
on any Ohio CBC either.  This was the
first ever seen on a Toronto CBC.  In fact, I don't know
if they have ever been recorded on a North America CBC.
Does anyone know?  They normally winter in the Amazon basin.

>
>It's the Townsend's Solitaire that interests me; it's one
>of my nemesis birds. I had one sighting in Austin, Texas,
>in 1987, but the ornithology professor just laughed when
>I mentioned it, so I guess it was a blown i.d. (though,
>frankly, I can't think what else it might have been).
>What is good habitat/good region to find them in?

Montane forests of the Cordillera in the breeding season, and
at lower elevations and/or farther south in the winter.
They prefer juniper berries in the winter.

-- 

Anthony Lang
Dept. of Zoology, 
University of Toronto
From: Joe.Morlan@f20.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Joe Morlan)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: Dull birds here....
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 09:16:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:125/20 - SeaHunt BBS, San Francisco CA

       ***** On 01-04-1993, Tony Zugates wrote to All *****

TZ> The reality is I'm not seeing these "colorful birds"...
TZ> whether at the park, beach, mountains, desert or alley way
TZ> etc.  sir.

What species are you seeing and how many bright spectral colors
are on each one?

TZ> The reality is, back in Penn.  I didnt even have to leave the
TZ> house!

What species did you see there and how many bright spectral
colors were on each?

I have noticed no significant difference in the number of
colorful species in different regions of the country.  Perception
of colorfulness depends on a number of factors:

1. Presence or absence of pronounced sexual dichromatism.

2. The percent of the body surface covered by bright colors.

3. The number of distinctly different bright colors on the bird.

4.  The color that covers the greatest proportion of the body.

5. The dominant bright color, if any.

6. The dominant dull color if no bright color dominates the
   bird's appearance.

7. Pattern contrast.

8.  Presence or absence of conspicuous iridescence.

For more information on methods for evaluating colorfulness in
birds I refer you to "Latitudinal gradients in colors and
patterns of passerine birds" by Stephen F. Bailey (Condor,
80:372-381, 1978).

--Joe Morlan, Albany, CA
Joe.Morlan@f20.n125.z1.fidonet.org.

--  
Joe Morlan
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"The views expressed above are those of Joe Morlan only."
From: rice@mirage.rtp.dg.com (Brian Rice)
Subject: A different "identify this bird" posting
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 04:56:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Reply-To: rice@dg-rtp.dg.com (Brian Rice)
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC.
Followup-To: rec.birds

I just posted a digitized sound sample of a birdsong to the newsgroup 
alt.binaries.pictures.misc with subject "Unknown bird .WAV".  If you
receive this newsgroup and can play Windows 3.1 .WAV files, uudecode
it and tell me what bird you think it is.

If you receive that newsgroup and can play some other format of sound
files, or if you don't receive that newsgroup, let me know and I'll send 
it to you in the format of your choice (within reason).

Here's all the info about this sample and the birdsong it contains.
I recorded it from the actual bird, which I never saw, on August 28,
1992, using my very ratty Sharp portable stereo and its cheesy internal
microphone.  Surprisingly, the birdsong is quite clear over the hiss
in the sample.  What you hear in the sample is pretty much what I
heard.

Several individuals of whatever bird this is spent last summer in the
mixed pine/deciduous woods surrounding Data General's parking lot here
in Research Triangle Park, North Carolina.  I never saw any of these
individuals, since they kept pretty well hidden in the trees, but their 
song was quite constant and was repeated all day, even in the midday 
heat (no, it is not a red-eyed vireo, or at least not its typical "hey
you guys, what ya doin'" vocalization).  As you might expect, the very
next week after I taped the bird, it and its compatriots departed.

I took the tape around to some local experts and got no definitive 
response, although I did get one suggestion I consider plausible
(though I omit it here so as not to prejudice the jury).

The song consists of a couple of up-down pairs of notes, a trill, 
and a concluding group of three notes.

The sample is in the public domain, although it does have sufficient
hiss that you probably won't want to start your collection of digitized
birdsongs with it.  I hope to create some really nice digitized bird
recordings if I can just save up for a synthesizer card, and a decent
jam box, and a microphone...

Let me know what you think.

--
Brian Rice   rice@dg-rtp.dg.com   +1 919 248 6328
DG/UX Software Quality Engineering
Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, North Carolina    
"If you don't know how to pronounce a word, say it loud!" --William Strunk
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: Bluebirds in winter; Common in NJ?
Keywords: Bluebirds
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:58:43 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

ka1gt@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (robert.m.atkins) writes:

>Since the topic of bluebirds has come up, how common is it to see them
>here in NJ in winter? I was out last week and was quite suprised to see
>one flying around in the cold, wet weather. I was under the impression that
>they were spring/summer visitors here.

I haven't seen any bluebirds in ages where I live (Burlington County), though
we do have some birdhouses of the "bluebird house" style, and I've seen the
houses for them at the Forsyth NWR.  Please tell yours to fly down here 
sometime. :)

-Shag (saw a Golden-Crowned Kinglet today, though)

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  Operator of ShagNet - Rutgers/NJIN dialup access for Burlington County, NJ
     Happy and informative user of a PPI 14400 FaxModem and GeoWorks Pro
       Editor of the Queensryche E-mail Digest - "Screaming in Digital"
From: steve@terminus.ericsson.se (Steve Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: Concerned about Lone Canada Goose
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:48:25 GMT
Reply-To: steve@terminus.ericsson.se
Distribution: world
Organization: Camtec Electronics (Ericsson), Leicester, England


I am not sure about your goose, but there is a small flock about 1 mile from 
my house which often does a circuit or two of the village during the hours 
of darkness.

(I think probably mostly when there is a moon but i'm not sure about this)

It's amazing how much noise 20 geese make when everything else is quiet!

Is this because they have been disturbed?


steve

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From: willner@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Steve Willner)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Bird Tapes
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:25:59 GMT
Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA


Some time ago, the net discussed two sources of taped bird songs.
One was alleged to be considerably better than the other because
songs were organized by sound, not by taxonomy, and the bird was
identified after, not before, the song.  Was "Birding by Ear" from
the Peterson Field Guide series the good one or the bad one?  And if
the bad one, what was the good one?

Thanks.
-- 
Steve Willner            Phone 617-495-7123         Bitnet:   willner@cfa
Cambridge, MA 02138 USA                 Internet: willner@cfa.harvard.edu
  member, League for Programming Freedom; contact league@prep.ai.mit.edu
From: sandee@Think.COM (Daan Sandee)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: BLUEBIRDS, RI, USA
Date: 8 Jan 1993 23:51:58 GMT
Organization: TMC
NNTP-Posting-Host: tremor.quake.think.com

In article <1993Jan8.221754.11873@head-cfa.harvard.edu>, willner@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Steve Willner) writes:
|> 
|> In article <1ihu56INN3ur@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, drintoul@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
|> (David A Rintoul) writes: 
|> > I know that many of you know this already, but it bears repeating.  It
|> > is a violation of the Migratory Bird Treaty (punishable by a $500 fine)
|> 
|> Technically, it's a violation of the "implementing legislation"
|> and/or state laws.  I'm not a lawyer either, but I don't think it's
|> possible for an individual citizen to violate a treaty.

You may be technically correct, but I don't think it detracts from David's
argument. However, if you want a bit more accuracy :

The Migratory Bird Treaty Act (which is an Act, not a treaty)
is in United States Code, Title 16, somewhere.
The implementating legislation is in CFR Title 50.
50 CFR 10.13 enumerates all species covered by the Migratory Bird Act. 
This means all the native North American species including the House Wren
(and the Brown-headed Cowbird and the Eastern Bluebird).
50 CFR 20.71 reads :
"No person shall at any time, by any means or in any manner, take, possess,
transport, or export any migratory bird, or any part, nest, or egg of
any such bird, in violation of any act of Congress or any regulation
issued pursuant thereto."
I don't have the wording that specifies the fines, though.

|> > to interfere with the nesting of any native bird in the USA. Removal
|> > of wren nesting material would certainly qualify for this sort of
|> > violation.
|> 
|> There are various circumstances where removal of nesting material is
|> legal - where the material causes a "nuisance," for example.  You
|> would have to be a wildlife lawyer to say whether or not the example
|> given is a violation.  Even then, case law on the question might or
|> might not be clear.

It is possible that there is some vague general language about allowing
people to harass birds that are a nuisance TO PEOPLE. Acorn Woodpeckers
using your shingles for acorn storage, for instance. But I'm not too
sure. For instance, 50 CFR 21.43 regulates controlling of blackbirds and
other species if they are a nuisance to farmers : it is possible to do
something about that, but it is strictly controlled. That being so, I don't
think there is anything allowing more general (but still regulated)
harassment.
As to regulations explicitly allowing to harass one species for the benefit
of another (unprotected) species, forget it.

Daan Sandee                                           sandee@think.com
Thinking Machines Corporation
1010 El Camino Real, Suite 310
Menlo Park, CA 94025                                  (415) 329-9300
From: paul.burnett@pcs.sj.ca.us (Paul Burnett) 
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: Dull birds here....
Date: 8 Jan 93 08:32:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: PCS-BBS - San Jose, CA - 408-270-4085
Reply-To: paul.burnett@pcs.sj.ca.us (Paul Burnett) 

TO: Joe.Morlan@f20.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG

JM>I have noticed no significant difference in the number of
  >colorful species in different regions of the country.

Come now - what common California bird comes even close to matching a
Cardinal?  <G>

I moved to California 9 years ago after decades in Washington DC.  I
went nuts over all the hummingbirds that are so common here, but I do
miss having a big bright red bird....
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Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: cwerner@nyx.cs.du.edu (Craig Werner)
Subject: Concerned about Lone Canada Goose
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 13:54:09 GMT


Hello, everyone.
 
I live near Buffalo, NY, despite the address on this article.  A
couple of months ago, I heard at about midnight what I am
virtually certain was a lone Canada goose calling.  Naturally, it
was too dark to see anything, so I'll never know for sure what
the sound was.  I know nothing about the migratory habits of
Canada geese, so I couldn't figure out why this one was calling
and flying so late.  I'm concerned and curious.
 
Thanks for any and all help.
 
Craig Werner <cwerner@nyx.cs.du.edu>
From: drintoul@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (David A Rintoul)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: BLUEBIRDS, RI, USA
Date: 7 Jan 1993 12:52:22 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu
Keywords: Bluebirds

sjh@cs.brown.edu (suzi howe) writes:

[some good stuff deleted]
>a wren tried to take over the nesting box, but we removed the telltale twigs
>which stuck out of the entrance.  

Egad, another Augustinian!

I know that many of you know this already, but it bears repeating.  It
is a violation of the Migratory Bird Treaty (punishable by a $500 fine)
to interfere with the nesting of any native bird in the USA. Removal
of wren nesting material would certainly qualify for this sort of
violation.  

To my knowledge, no one has ever been prosecuted for removal of wren
nesting material from their bluebird houses, but, really, that is not
the point.  Are wrens inherently lesser birds than bluebirds?  I don't
think so, and I suspect that a house wren can provide as much enjoyment,
and eat as many insects, as a bluebird.  Sure, a house wren isn't blue,
but I don't think we should hold that against them.  

A better strategy would be to put up another box for the bluebirds,
and let the wrens do their thing too.  

>I hope New Englanders who read this posting will consider putting up bluebird
>boxes--isn't it amazing how they know they're just for them?!  :)       

I hope other New Englanders will leave their house wren boxes alone
when the wrens think that "they're just for them"....


-- 
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Biology Division - KSU     Latitude 39.18, Longitude -96.34
Manhattan KS 66506-4901                         TCN: id2418
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Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: kennym@netcom.com (Kenny Meyer)
Subject: Merlin in Griffith Park
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 05:57:47 GMT

I was hiking in Bronson Canyon on the west side of Griffith Park
in Los Angeles.  It was just at sunset and I spotted what might
have been a Merlin.  It was larger than a Mockingbird, smaller
than a redtail, about the size of a Flicker.  The tail was long
and barred.  The head was flat.  The beak was hooked (Falcon-like).
It had a dark cap that extened below the eyes.  The belly was
mottled brown and white.

Could this have been a Merlin?

Thanks
Kenny Meyer
kennym@netcom.com
Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: mvb@chopin.udel.edu (Maurice V. Barnhill)
Subject: Re: What is a Green Parakeet?
Summary: Aratinga holochlora
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:33:39 GMT

     Green Parakeet is a Mexican bird whose normal range extends to within a 
hundred miles more or less of the Texas border.  There appears to be no good
evidence on how the birds reached the Rio Grande valley, but they seems to
be flourishing there.  The ABA has not yet accepted them on the Checklist, if
that matters to you.  The scientific name is Aratinga holochlora.

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From: Joe.Morlan@f20.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Joe Morlan)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Townsend's Solitaire in
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 12:24:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:125/20 - SeaHunt BBS, San Francisco CA

     ***** On 01-08-1993, Anthony L. lang wrote to All *****

ALL> The Toronto Christmas Bird Census produced few unusual
ALL> birds.  These were mostly late birds, including a VEERY
ALL> (Catharus sp?).

That is fantastic!!!

Who saw that?  Was the bird photographed?  Is it still around??

That is probably the most unbelievable record I've ever heard of.


--  
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Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: sjh@cs.brown.edu (suzi howe)
Subject: Questions from RI, USA
Keywords: Birding Society/Cardinals
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:04:27 GMT

The following ad appeared in our local 'Reminder' newspaper:
"Kent County residents are being asked to participate in a
national survey of backyard birds conducted by the Home
Habitat Society.  Those who participate in the Annual Bird
List will be asked to complete a questionnaire concerning
the habitat surrounding their home.  For more info call 
301-447-2680."
It took a couple of days to get through, and when I did, a
rather confused lady answered.  When I asked if I had the 
Home Habitat Society, she hesitated (as if getting her brain
in gear) and said I had to send in $3 to a PO Box before I
could participate. The whole thing smacks of a scam to
me--however, I call upon the infinite wisdom of the NET --
whaddyathink??

I was keen to participate in a backyard survey because
for the first time in 28 years, I've seen NO CARDINALS
at my feeder this winter.   Has anyone else in the
area noticed this, or have an explanation?

Suzi (instigator of the Blue-ha-ha currently in progress) Howe
Coventry, RI
:)