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From: ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: The meaning of "pagan"
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:16:58 GMT
Organization: Kaos Laboratories


In article <1993Jan11.182452.10128@radian.uucp>, markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr) writes...
>In article <fXGHeGr@quack.sac.ca.us> pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey) writes:

>>Yes, but no body should freak out now, because it's safe and sound in a
>>secret location in Ethiopia. Yes, that's right, and one more thing, only
>>ska beat and dreadlocks in heaven, natty dreadlock if jah know what I
>>mean.
>>
>And it was Heilie Sellassie (sp?) that set up the secret ninja team that
>snatched it out of that U.S. Gov't. warehouse, after Indy found it (how
>else did he become Holy?)! 
> 


	And anyone who was on the mailing list of the Southwest Radio Church 
(your watchman on the wall) in 1988 and 1989 got to see their great plan to 
drum up money through mail-in donations to hire a band of mercenaries to 
go to Ethiopia and kill the evil, satanic, heathen unbeliever thieves who had 
stolen the Ark, then return this most holy relic to the true keepers of the 
word of god at,(you guessed it) Southwest Radio Church! 

	Of course I don't know how they spent the money, after the intial 
mailings they never mentioned it again. I suspect that it went to aid some 
"po' widders" down at the local whorehouse or some other equally christian, 
um, "charity"......


		 - Ashley,
		looking through the 
		"Weird stuff I got in the mail"
		box again.......
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: swaim@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Parks Swaim)
Subject: Re: Why the Cross?
Organization: Rice University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 07:27:40 GMT

In article <1hufonINNht9@uwm.edu> pst@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Peter Stephen Thomas Iii) writes:
>One other point, something that always seemed odd to me:  there is so much
>emphasis upon the death of Jesus, but little on the truly big event, his
>resurrection 3 days later.  That, to me, seemed the biggest, most important
>event in the life of this prophet, yet in many contemporary re-tellings of
>the tale, this point is most decidely ignored.  Commentary?
  Easter's the day of the resurrection. According to my admittedly bad
memory, when we went to Church on Easter, both were emphasized.



-- 
Mike Swaim            | "101 Dalmations? Yeah I saw that."
swaim@owlnet.rice.edu | "You Did! REALLY? The same film?
Disclamer: I lie      | Let's stop driving! We must get out and jump
up and down and up and down and dance around and around!" Matt and Delerium
From: bwhite@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (William E. White )
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Space, the final frontier
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:15:21 GMT
Organization: Ohio University, Computer Science Department

In article <1993Jan2.100124.16342@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek) writes:
>bwhite@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (William E. White ) writes:
>
>>Let's assume you're accelerating at 8000 meters/second, which is easily
>>within range of railguns.  This takes, of course, 1 second to get up to
>>speed; in that second we travel 8000 meters (simply enough).  Now this is

>8000 meters/second is NOT an acceleration.  It is a speed. 

Oh bloody hell, I was up for twenty hours when I wrote that.  I meant
8000 meters/second^2.  Even if I wrote it as a speed (and yes I do know
the difference between a scalar and a vector as well, thank you very
much).

>This is not a
>nitpick-- someone who does not understand the meaning of the terms 
>"acceleration", "velocity", and "speed" is not qualified to talk about
>the feasablility of  various launch techniques.

Please respond to the rest of the post, then.  Again, I restate: it is
within the forseeable future that railguns will be practical means of
launch for nonmanned vehicles.


-- 
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From: ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Amazons and the Labrys - was: Re: Question/symbol
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:12:02 GMT
Organization: Kaos Laboratories


In article <2B4CAB7C.29559@news.service.uci.edu>, cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes...
> 
>Well, isn't helping out your friends kind of assumed?  I don't feel the
>need to call myself an Amazon to give any aid at all to my special
>amiga-hermana.
> 
>Blessings,
>Janis  

	Yeah, that's true, but the loyalty and duty to tribe/coven of the 
Amazons I know goes a bit farther than just giving aid to a friend. I think 
the reason for that part of their code is to force them into more conflicts. 
Remember, these are warrior women we're talking about here and a conflict is 
a sacred oportunity for growth to them! I presume that they will go into any 
conflict that they feel the Goddess has presented them with in order to win the 
reward that can be gained from it. So that part of their practice would be more 
serious to them than you and I would take the act of giving aid to a friend.

	Of course I'm speculating about most of this, because I'm not an Amazon 
myself.....

		Sea blessings......
				- Ashley
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: acsrdl@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: Re: Ritualistic questions
Reply-To: acsrdl@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:32:31 GMT

A quick answer, Paul (casspa@atlantis), taken from my copy of "The Celtic
Tree Oracle":

First month: November (after Samhain, yes?) -- Birch / Beith
		December -- Rowan (mountain ash) / Luis
		January -- Alder / Fearn
		February -- Willow / Saille
		
		March -- Ash / Nuin
		April -- Hawthorn / Huathe
		May -- Oak / Duir
		June -- Holly / Tinne
		July -- Hazel / Coll
		August -- Grapevine / Muin
		September -- Ivy / Gort
		October -- Reed / N(g)etal
	the last three days of October -- Elder / Ruis

	The blank line after February was unintentional.  If you'd like more
of the meanings, the ogham correspondences, or the rest of the "Celtic"
trees, e-mail me (I'm busier than usual and I've only been skimming news,
not reading it in depth). 

Otter
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: czarbock@cltr.uq.oz.au (Carol Zarbock)
Subject: Re: Ritualistic questions
Organization: Centre for Language Teaching and Research, Uni of Queensland, AUSTRALIA.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 11:40:56 GMT

Paul,

Seeing the world as a biological entity, (the world of scope, even if it
was not what we call the world today), *is* what preliterate cultures *did*
do.  No, we can not be certain what was done 10,000 years ago, nor even 200
years ago, but there is a certain amount of reconstruction and best
guessing that serves me well when trying to come up with something useable
for *today*.

That is one of the reasons I'm down here in Australia.  There are remnants
to be found, perhaps easier here than in some places.  Even though it may
not directly relate to my Pagan roots of ancient Great Britain, humans
throughout the world did have many things in common thought they may have
gone about things differently due to geographical or climactic reasons.

No one can *ever* say for certain what was what in the distant or immediate
past.  Nor can two people even get the same story when they see an
accident.  I just think the past is worth considering as it may give some
enlightenment on the present.

Blessed Be,
Athena

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: mark.terka@rose.com (mark terka)
Subject: Rosicrucian BBS?
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:10:53 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 01-12-93 22:03
I have this number for a Rosicrucian BBS in Oceanside, Calif (619-721-1828)
and am able to connect at 2400 baud, but that's it! I simply hang for about
15 sec and then it disconects.

Anyone else know about this?

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From: boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Space, the final frontier
Date: 4 Jan 93 14:37:38 GMT
Reply-To: boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <gate.Vi7PwB1w165w@pil.UUCP>, alizard@pil writes:

[ . . . a much more rational posting! ]

> Actually, being moderately lazy, I fed all of this (basic motion /
> acceleration equations, assignments of numbers for costs, and variables) into
> a spreadsheet for analysis.

A spreadsheet?  A SPREADSHEET?  My, what IS the world coming to?  The
equation is very simple - length of railgun = (v ** 2) / a;  the length
of a railgun is inversely proportional to the acceleration.  If you 
double the acceleration, you halve the length.  The time to accelerate
the payload is v / a, by the way.

>                             One major variable I used was acceleration in
> gravities. Run the same calculation for 25 gravities and see what track
> length you get...

	s = (8000 m/sec * 8000 m/sec) / (25 * 9.8 m/sec**2) = 261,224 m

(261 kilometers, or about 157 miles.)

	t = 8000 m/sec / (25 * 9.8 m/sec**2) = 33 sec.

>                   you should be delighted by the results.

(The temptation for sarcasm is ALMOST too much, but I'll be nice for a
change!)

>                                                           The rail gun I
> envisioned was a freight only vehicle... as I suspect that subjecting people
> to 25 Gs is a wonderful way to ruin their day.

Well, it would be a hell of a ride for the short time one remains conscious!

A.Lizard then went off into the history, evolution, and ethics of
technology, which I want to deal with later.

				- - Steve


--
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April 23-25, 1993 in Natick, Massachusetts!
From: pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey)
Subject: God's math accuracy was The meaning of "pagan"
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
	<1993Jan8.192559.29023@radian.uucp>
Date: 9 Jan 1993 19:34:35 UTC

In article <1993Jan8.192559.29023@radian.uucp> 
markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr) writes:
>In article <1ii275INN5b0@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> 
ses2@po.CWRU.Edu (S. E. Stansfield) writes:
>>In a previous article, drake+@cs.cmu.edu (Drake) says:
>>>I know this because God has promised this in his Holy Scriptures, and
>>>God cannot lie.
>>If this is true, then how come his book says that pi = 3.0?
>Aw, c'mon. 3 is perfectly good enough for a scientific approximation. The
>order of magnitude is even right!

Exactly! As they say, one digit accuracy is close enough for God! If it
doesn't fit, hammer it home. That's where the Stark Fist of Removal
comes in handy. And don't ever contract a pink to put up aluminum siding
on a round house, they can't do it, it's that one digit accuracy thing.
Super Naturals and pinks have never done well on the SAT math section.
On square houses however, their workmanship is seldom equaled. Some of
the best aluminum siding on aluminum siding on adobe I've ever seen was
done by pinks, with the aid of their Super Natural of course.
Xref: sparky alt.pagan:14903 talk.religion.misc:25060
From: SL500000@brownvm.brown.edu (Robert Mathiesen)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: The meaning of "pagan"
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 07:46:15 EST
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
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In article <C0BpBv.5EG.1@cs.cmu.edu>, drake+@cs.cmu.edu (Drake) said:
>
>In article <1i8h9lINNokv@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> SL500000@brownvm.brown.edu (Robert
>Mathiesen) writes:
>>Drake, there is no such thing as THE Christian Bible.  It's as basic as that.
>>The closest you can get are the various Bibles of ALL the different
traditions
>>that call themselves Christian, and they differ from one another in more ways
>>than a naive Christian might think.  --  Despite my own non-Christian back-
>>ground, I have spent my entire life as a scholar at a major university re-
>>searching and teaching these matters, and I stand ready to back this
statement
>>with as much scholarship as you require.  En garde??
>
>I think you need to explain what you mean here.  What you've said here sounds
>suspiciously like a "baiting" question intended to lure the target into
>making unjustified assumptions.  No thanks; what do you mean?  I suspect
>that you mean more than the inclusion/exclusion of the Apocrypha.  Are
>you referring to the different versions?  The non-canonical texts?
>
Neither.  There are five main divisions of the Christian tradition which
have survived to the present day, of which Protestant and Catholic are only
two.  The other three are (1) the Greek, Slavic and Georgian Orthodox
Churches, (2) the Armenian Apostolic Church, the Syrian Orthodox Church,
the Coptic Church, the Ethiopic Church, etc., and (3) the Syriac Church of
the East.  They differ noticeably from one another in three respects that
bear on our incipient discussion.

First, their canons of scripture (= the tables of contents of their Bibles)
differ from one another, even in the New Testament, and do so in very strik-
ing ways.

Second, the texts of individual books and parts of books may differ from
one another in striking ways.

Third, their choice of which "version" (that is, in which language) counts
as authoritative for one or another book differs in striking ways.

All this is almost completely overlooked in run-of-the-mill Protestant and
Catholic seminary training.  If you take up my challenge, we shall largely
be working from primary sources: early manuscripts in various languages, and
the canon law of the various branches of the Christian tradition.

If you refuse my challenge, I shall continue to repeat it EVERY time you
fail to recognize the great complexity of what is called the "Bible" within
Christian tradition.  It is a matter of conscience not to let historically
false statements go unchallenged when I am in a position to refute them.

Robert Mathiesen, Brown University, SL500000@BROWNVM
From: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: The meaning of Pagan
Date: 6 Jan 93 04:22:29 GMT
	<1992Dec29.161531.15956@cas.org>
Organization: Avoidance of Flames

In article <1992Dec29.161531.15956@cas.org> mlr21@cas.org (Mary Lee) writes:
   Okay, now for my questions regarding definitions:
   I had assumed (like Joel) that an atheist did not believe in a supreme
   being or perhaps that an atheist did not believe in any deity.  
   However, after looking the word "atheist" up in three dictionaries,
   I get varying definitions, and it appears that "atheist" may be limited
   to "one who doesn't believe in the Judaeo-Christian God".

Generally it means someone who doesn't believe in a God, or at least
in one like the Jewish / Christian / Moslem or Greek/Roman flavors.
Sometimes it's been used to refer to someone who doesn't believe in
the *correct* gods - back when the Roman Empire was still burning Christians,
some of them were burned because they were "atheists"....

   Given that as a definition, is an animist an atheist?

Animism, since another followupper asked, is the belief in spirits
(Latin anima = spirit), typically ones associated with animals,
plants, places, interesting stones, rivers, etc., commonly including
either worship or at least respect and maybe placating ceremonies to
keep them from being upset.

   Is a pantheist an atheist?

They're not quite orthogonal, but it's still hard to give a straight answer.
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Andrew - ask Davis Farnsworth - aka Renfield on bitl.vampyres.
He recently had his reviews published, with full accredation to both Davis and the Vampyres list out of Georgetown.
---never a humble servant,
Akasha's Servant - Myrmidon.
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P.S.  Hello JAWS - you big lurker you!
From: pyuaq@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr G S Sutherland)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: immortality
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:38:40 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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Sharon Murphy (forest@maths.tcd.ie) wrote : 

+okay... try this...
+has this idea been used before?...
+what if lestat fed from ramses?...
+would this render him immortal by day as well
+as by night?... or would it seriously fuck
+up his system?..

Anne tends to hint that the elixir is continually flowing in his veins,
so it may have an interesting effect.

+any thoughts?...

How about the effects of a vampire ingesting a mix of the potion in an
oral manner. This would no doubt restore him or her to life, and also 
de-vamp the individual since he or she would be alive again. (This is 
because we frequently get references to the body of a human dying as the
change occurs, and the elixir can restore life to a dead body...)

Finally, is Anne considering a sequel to `The Mummy', since at the end
of the book there is a footnote stating the the Chronicle of Ramses the
Damned will continue?

+forest.x

Graeme.
From: e_ruthyn@cyberden.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Bram Stoker's Dracula--Merchandise
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 08:36:36 PST
Reply-To: e_ruthyn@cyberden.sf.ca.us
Organization: Indescribable Creations

Has anyone, anywhere, seen any of the merchandise for the new FFC 
Dracula?I've seen clips from news shows showing a variety of clothing, 
jewelry, etc..all inspired by the film, and I've been trying to find 
stuff. I know all about TShirts,Trading cards, Calenders,Comic 
Books,Window stickers,etc., but I am looking for the juicier stuff. I saw 
Gary Oldman with dolls of himself as Dracula, has anyone seen these?
                          HELP!

I would appreciate addresses of stores or mail order companies who might 
have this stuff. Phone numbers would be great too. Any area is okay, I'm 
a collector, and I've been pulling my hair out!
I also know about the watch and the movie cards.Thanks to anyone in 
advance. I would prefer email to followups, unless other people are 
interested.

                        Take care how you cut yourself,it is so 
                                   dangerous.........
                                                     


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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: elinbs@admin.uio.no (Jonquil Darkamber)
Subject: Re: hmmm
Followup-To: alt.vampyres
Organization: Kaos Inc., Norway
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:00:59 GMT

In article <mjann.2jux@hotcity.COM>, mjann@hotcity.COM (Maureen Jann)
wrote:
> 
> What is the difference between "Vampyres" and "Vampires"?
>                                 \c2;)KaWsMiCkE(;

The former is spelt with an "y", and looks more fancy... ?







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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: tkelly@unix2.tcd.ie (Mithrandir)
Subject: Re: immortality
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 11:20:09 GMT

In <1993Jan4.154127.19062@maths.tcd.ie> forest@maths.tcd.ie (Sharon Murphy) writes:

>okay... try this...
>has this idea been used before?...
>what if lestat fed from ramses?...
>would this render him immortal by day as well
>as by night?... or would it seriously fuck
>up his system?..

   I reckon that the Blood of Ramses woould remain undigested within
Lestat's system. He just couldn't digest it, in the same manner as food
treated with the potion remained undigestible, even when eaten.


>any thoughts?...

   Hello fellow tcd person, BTW.


>forest.x

--
 Haggis: Haggis is a black pudding eaten by the Scots and considered not
only a delicacy, but fit for human consumtion.The minced heart, liver
and lungs of a sheep are mixed with oatmeal and boiled in the sheep's
stomach before ...Excuse me a minute... [Mithrandir/tkelly@unix2.tcd.ie]
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Friday, 8 Jan 1993 15:54:33 EST
From: MIR <IO71245@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Night Music


Has there been a posting of Night Music since Part 7??
If there have been more than this could someone please
mail me them(beg...beg...)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: tkelly@unix2.tcd.ie (Mithrandir)
Subject: This Cyberwhatsit magazine
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:09:00 GMT

   What the hell is that thing doing here??

    Pardron me, but I thought that this was a VAMPI/YRE newsgroup.
  I for one do not appreciate having said article splurged all over the
newsgroup alongside articles of relevance. Whomever it is that published
it, kindly remove this offensive thing and put it on a newsgroup that is
related to SF in some way.
  
      It has no place on alt.vampyres.

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only a delicacy, but fit for human consumtion.The minced heart, liver
and lungs of a sheep are mixed with oatmeal and boiled in the sheep's
stomach before ...Excuse me a minute... [Mithrandir/tkelly@unix2.tcd.ie]
From: drink@Nocturne.Boulder-Creek.CA.US (Dr. INK)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: This Cyberwhatsit magazine
Keywords: Great.
Date: 9 Jan 93 20:23:12 GMT
Organization: "The Enclave" -- Boulder Creek, California

tkelly@unix2.tcd.ie (Mithrandir) writes:

>    What the hell is that thing doing here??
> 
>     Pardron me, but I thought that this was a VAMPI/YRE newsgroup.
>   I for one do not appreciate having said article splurged all over the
> newsgroup alongside articles of relevance. Whomever it is that published
> it, kindly remove this offensive thing and put it on a newsgroup that is
> related to SF in some way.
>   
>       It has no place on alt.vampyres.

Great. So now we continue the chain of useless messages (mine
own included) and are silly! We should stop with mine. :)

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