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From: hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Chronic Sporadic Lameness Revisited
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:55:02 GMT
	<1992Oct13.195049.19459@u.washington.edu>
	<ldmbldINN66q@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu>
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Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
In-reply-to: clinard@cs.utk.edu's message of 13 Oct 92 20:16:45 GMT

In article <ldmbldINN66q@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> clinard@cs.utk.edu (Michelle Clinard) writes:

   >could we start a discussion of Appys and ringbone - more prone than others?
   >also in depth definition of ringbone including wives tales?

   ... I've got an American Saddlebred mare with ringbone,
   which has caused her to be mostly-retired ....  I think this was
   caused by an injury ....
   I've heard through the grapevine that ringbone can be hereditary ...
   ... I hope it isn't
   heredity in all cases, I sure don't want my mare's daughter to have it.

   My mare's symptoms suggest that ringbone can act somewhat like arthritis,
   ... exercise doesn't seem to affect it much, once the
   bones have fused.  Just an observation.

   -Michelle

My old Fjord mare has ringbone, which is the name for bone spurs (i.e.
arthritic changes) in the joints at either end of the pastern (hers is
just above the hoof).  I strongly suspect that hers came on after an
accident in which she blundered into a cattleguard, whacking herself
pretty good on those joints as she fell thru the grating, then reared
(once) to try to extract herself.  My vet has confirmed that, in
Oregon and Washington (where she studied and practiced before moving
to the SF Bay Area), cattleguards are the leading cause of ringbone.
However, some lines of horses do seem to have a hereditary
predisposition to it---mostly in the heavy draft breeds.  I suspect
that any breed (or individual) with insufficient leg bone for the
weight of the animal can be prone to ringbone (the rule of thumb I've
heard is 7" of cannon circumference per 1000 lb of horse).  I would
carefully evaluate a ringboned mare's pedigree (do any relatives have
ringbone?) before deciding to breed her.

Nansy's ringbone seems to be worst when she is kept on hard ground, or
on steep slopes (and in the coastal mountains of California, I don't
have much else, especially in the summer).  Bute helps, but her
stomach can't tolerate that.  Feeding yucca pellets also seems to
help.  According to my vet books, there isn't much else one can do for
it.  I've not heard of those joints fusing.  Basically, her ringbone
has turned a good beginner's horse into an occasionally ridden pasture
pet.

Marsha Jo Hannah		Murphy must have been a horseman--
La Honda, CA			anything that can go wrong, will!
From: radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner)
Subject: Re: Movies with 3-sectional-staff?
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 11 Oct 92 20:26:15 CDT

In article <1b1ollINN6vt@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bp652@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gil W. Lau) writes:
>
>My friend is looking for m-a movies with scenes with a three-sectional-
>staff.
    <snip>
>I can only recall one movie, but don't remember the title.  It's where
>a villager learns kung-fu from Shaolin Temple and invents the tri staff
>when he cuts some bamboo during spear practice.

You are thinking of "The 36th Chamber" also known by the hideously
inappropriate title of "The Master Killer". It's one of my favorites.

Hope that helps,
-Lauren
From: esot@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Eric Sotnak)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Two-toed boots?
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:20:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: galileo.1992Oct15.022007.10494
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <1992Oct14.193826.8548@walter.cray.com> radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner) writes:
>>> What is the purpose of two-toed boots?  (i.e. the foot is shaped like a heart)
>> [..]

>...I dunno about that last bit of history there. When I was in Japan, I noticed
>park maintenance men and construction workers wearing them as the equivalent of
>our workboots.

  Yes, and I've seen these very same day-laborer boots for sale in martial
arts stores (in the US) at about 10 times the price, and labelled "ninja
boots."


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From: neil@celia.UUCP (Neil Richmond)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: JapanToday Cultural Event in LA
Keywords: aikido, kojiki, ki, macrobiotics
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:26:18 GMT
Reply-To: celia!neil@usc.edu (Neil Richmond)
Distribution: world
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood


Here is an announcement that might be of interest to some. I don't have the
Ten Shin Dojo's new phone number yet, but if you have any questions, email
or post them and I'll try to get back to you. I will post the dojo's number
and address when I verify the phone number.

neil


Ten Shin Dojo is producing a number of seminars in conjunction with the
Japan Today Festival in Los Angeles that is going from Sat Oct 24 - Sat,
Oct 31. This is the Schedule of Events:

			CELEBRATION OF THE HUMAN SPIRIT
		presented as part of the JAPAN TODAY festival

Saturday, October 24

Time:		10:00 am
Event:		Matsuo Ryu style tea Ceremony by master Ms. Yoho KAWAI
Location:	MOA International (WSAA Building)
		8564 Melrose Ave., W. Hollywood

		Parking available at the Pacific Design Center, enter on
			San Vincente

Open to the public
Suggested donation:	$3.00


Time: 		12:00 noon
Event:		Calligraphy demonstration. In a rare live demonstration
		Master Seiseki ABE Sensei will show the connetion between
		the visual art of Shodo (Japanese Calligraphy) and the
		martial art of Aikido through the way of breathing and 
		flowing of ki. Presented along with this demonstration 
		will be an exhibit of the master's works of caliigraphy, 
		which will be displayed untill closing at 7:00 pm
Location:	MOA International (WSAA Building)
		8564 Melrose Ave., W. Hollywood

		Parking available at the Pacific Design Center, enter on
			San Vincente


Open to the public
Suggested donation:	$3.00


Time:		2:30 pm - 5:00 pm
Event:		Lecture on Macrobiotics by Mr. Shiro MATSUOKA, President of
		Japan's Macrobiotic Food Assoc., Seishoku Kyokai, and dis-
		ciple of the founder of Macrobiotics, Mr. George Osawa. The
		lecture will cover the philosophy behind macrobiotics, il-
		luminating how the preparation of the food and following a
		macrobiotic are integral to a balanced mind, body and spirit.
		Lecture will be followed by a question and answer period.
Location:	MOA International (Main Hall)
		8564 Melrose Ave., W. Hollywood

		Parking available at the Pacific Design Center, enter on
			San Vincente

Open to the public
Suggested donation:	$3.00


Sunday, October 25


Time: 		12:00 noon
Event:		Aikido/Calligraphy Exhibit. An exhibit of Master Seiseki
		ABE's calligraphy at Ten Shin Bugei Gakuen dojo along
		with photographs of the martial art of Aikido in action.

Location:	To be announced


Open to the public
Suggested donation:	$3.00


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From: schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485)
Subject: Re: So happy (Dragons and such)
Organization: SRG, Arinc Research Corp., Annapolis, MD
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 17:53:48 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.212335.14260@ns.network.com> hahn@plugh.network.com (Peter Hahn) writes:
>I'll probably be sorry for jumping into this thread, but I used to study
>a style called Pai Lum Kung Fu.  Pai Lum is an American mumbling of the
>Chinese words for "white dragon", which, as someone pointed out earlier,
>work out to something more like "Bai Lung" in Mandarin.

	I ran into a guy from W.Va. who taught a system which had Pai Lum as
one of it's "roots" (yet another one of those "absorb what is useful" jobbies)
	I was under the impression that Pai Lum was named after this Daniel
Pai guy, or given one of those typical forest names "siu lum", "jook lum",
"pai lum".

	I guess "pai's forest" is less pompous than "Grand Ultimate Fist".


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From: marcogan@student.anu.edu.au (Mark Cogan)
Subject: Re: ma movies and books
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts
Organization: ANU
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 07:37:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.203502.1@ducvax.auburn.edu>, mautzcl@ducvax.auburn.edu
wrote:
> 
> I was just wondering if anyone out there in MA-land can recommend any good
> martial arts movies - not the cheesy translated stuff, but any with decent

Actually, some of the Chinese stuff is very good for giving a good feel for
the Chinese styles. See them with subtitles to avoid bad dubbing. There is
a series about the history of Wing Chun (whose names I cannot
remember...they had Samo Hung and Yuen Biao as the lead players...)

> plots and a good representation of ma styles.  I have seen all the recent
> movies - J.C. Van Damme's library, Speakman's (which i thought was great),
> Norris', and Brandon Lee's Showdown in Little Tokyo.
> 
> Any decent ones that I missed?  I don't like the 'Don the Dragon Wilson' 
> pictures, I find them kind of cheesy...

Er, ever heard of Bruce Lee? Try _Way of the Dragon_, _Fist of fury_, and,
of course, _Enter the Dragon_.

Steven Segal's movies, especially _Above the Law_, give a good feeling for
how nasty aikido can be if done with an attitude.

If you want realism, then ignore _Big trouble in little China_. If you want
a good move, then go and see it; it rates as one of the best MA-related
movies ever made in English.

For some interesting kenjutsu, try _Blind Fury_ with Rutger Hauer. Or, if
you prefer movies in Japanese, try _Yojimbo_, _Sanjuro_, and _Revolution_,
all starring Toshiro Mifune and directed by Akira Kurosawa.

> 
> also, any good ma-oriented fiction novels out there?  I have seen the
> trashing of Lustbader's works on the net, but are there any good novels
> that are a little more realistic?
> 

Have you read Salzman's _Iron and Silk_ (which isn't realyy fiction,
but...)

> (I guess the name LUSTbader says it all, anyway...)
> 
> any help would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> btw, anybody heard the rumor that J.C. Van Damme, Brandon Lee, and Norris 
> might be getting together to do a movie?  I read about it in some ma
> magazine, probably black belt... it's either made for tv, or movie theatre
> only...i dont remember.
> 
>    
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From: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Subject: Nice combos with cat claws (or other combos)
Originator: shulick@navajo
Reply-To: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 01:51:41 GMT


Are there any good books that explain and depict good combinations using cat
claws or sai?  I'd really appreciate it.  My cat claws are coming in the mail
in a couple weeks, and I've already made up a few of my own combos which I
think are excellent to use against non-MA's.

Also, another question.  Can non-MA's learn the art pretty well?  For example,
I've not taken any martial art, but I develop my own techniques.  Can this be
fairly effective?

I just can't afford to take hapkido lessons, so are there any books that teach
it pretty well?  Or are there good self-defense books out there which a person
can learn from? I  know the absence of an instructor isn't great, but I can't
afford it.  Thanks for any info.

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From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Kimwaza - Black Dragon Kung Fu
Date: 14 Oct 1992 22:24:38 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct13.205846.26341@ms.uky.edu> bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt) writes:
> If memory serves, the 10th dan is in the system Chinese Goju that 
>Van Clief founded himself.  I seem to recall he studied for a while
>with Peter Urban, but my memory is a little fuzzy on the details.

Well, isn't that special.  If anyone has any particulars on the Van Clief
saga (especially the part about deciding he was a 10th dan in his own 
make-believe martial art), I'd love to hear them.  Sounds absolutely 
fascinating.



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From: afsar@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (JKA Shotokan)
Subject: Karate training at Northern California
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 18:28:19 GMT


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following address for training.

		Jordan Middle School Dance Studio
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		Training times: Monday and Wedsday: 7:00 to 8:30 PM.

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Karate Federation).  Chief Instructor: Hajime Yokota

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Tel: (408) 743-2078

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From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: aiki in all ma
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date:  8 OCT 92 15:51:58    


>Overall Daito-ryu Aikijujutsu is different then Aikido in the following ways:
>-Techniques tie an opponent into knots with his own limbs.(hard to describe
>on the net, but an interesting experince)
>-Hard-style breakfalls
>-Lots of Atemi (all pins end with strikes)
>-Instant pain
>-Use of names instead of numbers to describe techniques
>-Techniques that go against the joint

Another general thing I noticed was that the techniques tend to be smaller and
more sharply applied.  The equivalent movements to 'Ikkyo' in Aikido, 
for example, instead of pushing the elbow in a large circle around the 
shoulder (as one typical variant), would cut it sharply down and toward
the body, with the result of sudden pain and loss of balance rather than
a smooth circular neutralization.  

>-Brian Young

I'd be interested to see the rank requirements you were talking about if
you wish to take the time to post them.

							todd
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From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Kung Fu Masters
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:36:16 GMT
	<MARY.92Oct14220351@martinique.Cayman.COM>
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: mary@Cayman.COM's message of 15 Oct 92 02:03:51 GMT


In article <MARY.92Oct14220351@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:

   In article <1992Oct14.214128.10446@cs.tulane.edu> smith@cs.tulane.edu (Lon Smith) writes:

      Ha all, 

      First a little background, in the late 1940's four promanent master 
      flead China and went to Korea. 

   Out of curiosity, why on earth did they flee China for Korea at that 
   particular point in history?  From what I've heard, at that point most
   migration was in the other direction (i.e., away from the Japanese, who
   had very much indeed occupied Korea, and into China, where they were 
   more thinly spread).

Okay, duh, it was late, I was tired...I read this as EARLY '40s, not LATE
'40s...reverse directions and try again, thanks Marty...
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From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Subject: Clarification
Organization: Twilight Zone
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:59:03 GMT

Hi folks,

I recently posted an article where I made use of the term "Jap".  I got a
piece of mail by someone who took possible exception to my usage.  I just
wanted to make it clear to one and all that I used the term as an abbreviation
and not as a pejorative term.  Though most of you perhaps know me well enough
by now to know that I do not waste my time with nonsense like racial slurs,
I thought I'd make it explicitly clear to anyone that was not quite certain.

Sorry for the interruption.

	-Andy V.

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Cost Differences???
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:38:57 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Oct06.180144.2780@srg.srg.af.mil> schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485) writes:
>In article <13385@texsun.Central.Sun.COM> dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>>I don't know anything about anti-traditionalism per se, but my concern is
>>solely pragmatic, and has to do with expediency.  I have little patience with
>>self proclaimed masters who leave much to be desired, but surround themselves
>>with the aura of special knowledge.  Poltical expediency, in this case, is
>>secondary to expediency in winning the fight.  Emphasis is on "martial."
>
>	Some traditional teachers are willing to take challenges - so if you
>doubt that it works, you can test it for yourself. If they lose, then maybe
>they're charlatans - they win, then maybe they *do* know something you don't.
>	In fact, I understand that when MA wasn't such a mainstream pastime,
>folks had to prove their ability in combat before opening a school. The
>Kuoshu tournament which was mentioned on this newsgroup is something from the
>"old days" when schools proved their martial ability by beating up on each
>other.
>	It's all very traditional. :-)

I am told that William Leonard and Eric Smith accept challenges on
behalf of Sin The'. They can be found through the Sin The'
Shao-Lin school in Lexington, KY. Messrs. Leonard and Smith
are ranked as masters in the Shao-Lin system taught by
Grandmaster Sin The', so they would provide one empirical
test of the validity of the 'master' naming convention.


Xref: sparky rec.martial-arts:13159 rec.arts.tv:19646
From: glm@Unify.Com (Gary L. Manning)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Kung Fu TV series
Summary: Kung Fu was cool!
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:52:34 GMT
Organization: Unify Corporation, Sacramento, California

In article <67309@cup.portal.com> Randy_A_Winney@cup.portal.com writes:
>
>Why would anyone interested in martial arts want to watch that piece of
>crap? I remember reading an interview with David Carradine in which he
>said he had never had any real martial arts training and was high on
>LSD most of the time they were shooting that series...
>
>winney@dal.mobil.com

I enjoyed the series because of the stories, the scenery, and the
camera work, not necessarily because David Carradine stared in it.  It
is quite probable that many other actors could have done as good or
better a job playing the part of Caine.  I have seen some of his other
work and with the exception of "Circle of Iron" it has all been pretty
bad.

"Kung Fu" was my first exposure to Eastern philosophy and martial arts
and a major reason I started studying Jujutsu.

gary

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From: neiberg@raman.ECE.CMU.EDU (Leonard Neiberg)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: aiki in all ma
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:24:45 GMT
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon

In a feeble effort to contribute to the Aikido/(Aiki)Jujutsu commentary, I'd 
like to comment on the "Aikido=big circles, Jujutsu=sharper techniques"
thread.  My only goal here is to testify to the effectiveness of the
"Aikido=big circles" style and not to dispute the power of the more sharply 
applied (Aiki)jujutsu techniques.  Here's a recap of the salient commentary from the net so far:

>>Another general thing I noticed was that the techniques tend to be smaller and
>>more sharply applied.  The equivalent movements to 'Ikkyo' in Aikido, 
>>for example, instead of pushing the elbow in a large circle around the 
>>shoulder (as one typical variant), would cut it sharply down and toward
>>the body, with the result of sudden pain and loss of balance rather than
>>a smooth circular neutralization.  
>
>	This is why so many Aikidoka (and some Jujutsuka) are technically
>	weak.  The broader the circle, the bigger the doorway to escape and
>	the weaker the technique even when uke does not escape.  When you
>	have the same technique done to you both ways, the difference is
>	immediately apparent and none too subtle.
>
>	Of course, many Aikioka actively avoid the fiercely effective methods
>	that are the true legacy of Aikido.  Whatever floats yer boat.
>
>	-Andy V.
>>
>>>-Brian Young

As I've stated, I do not debate the effectiveness of (Aiki)jujutsu
techniques.  However, I do disagree with the "big circles are easy to escape
from" idea.  Certainly, sloppy application of any technique will allow uke
to escape and/or counter.  However, the big circles of Aikido are not
inherently flawed; rather, they seem (IMHO) to facilitate movement of the
uke.  Aikido, as practiced by my Sensei (a tiny Japanese woman) is all
rooted in movement, not so much in the brute effectiveness of joint locks
(although that is available).  If movements in Aikido are shortened, the
joint locks become the focal part of the techniques.  Big movements
facilitate throws which are the truly deadly part of Aikido-- according to
my Sensei, all throws, if performed well, should allow nage to throw uke on
his/her head (of course, we use ukemi skills so we don't have to practice
that part).  

Aikido and (Aiki)jujutsu are both testimonies to the basic effectiveness of
the techniques, whether applied in small or large circles.  The two arts
simply seem (IMVHO, and given my non-infinite experience) to concentrate on
different facets of the basic techniques, both of which are effective and
neither of which is superior.

BTW:  This is a U.N. enforced "no-flame" zone...

		Len


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