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From: misra@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Boo!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: SHAKIL AHMED AZAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 10 Apr 1992 04:03:38 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: na
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In article <1992Apr9.205939.1@vaxb.acs.unt.edu> ij21@vaxb.acs.unt.edu writes:
>
>
>Attention Mr. Shakil Ahmed
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>Mr. Ahmed,
>
>
>	  I am posting this letter to the net instead of you is because there
>are some issues that all of us need to be cleared about.  While it is very
>clear that you are not willing to sign the petition (which you have every right
>to do so under the U.S constitution??) I think you should not say that you
>support AZAM. You have the right to make your decisions  when you do so
>but in the process of doing so you should also consider the emotions and
>hatred that the rest of the Bangladeshis(All except you) share about Golam
>Azam. Is it time that you reconsider your citizenship Mr. Ahmed?! Or is it the
>"Yale" in our node address!
>
>
>Bangladesh Jindabad.
>
>Asif Ibrahim
>University of North Texas
>Denton
>Tx:76201      

	Refresh my memory but I have read articles by shakil concerning this
issue and I have yet to come across any place where he has said that he      
supports Azam. And what is this attack on his citizenship? What do his 
views have to do anything with his citizenship? I think if all of you 
boast about Bd being a democracy and how lucky you are to get it, then 
perhahps you should also accept the fact that people will have different
opinions but that doesnt make them less bangladeshi than you. Your jabs
at him have been uncalled for to say the least. Actually, I think some of
you are afraid that if you actaully read what he said carefully you might   
also end up seeing it his way. But then maybe not, but you know.. you have 
that right, just the way he has his right to make sense of things. I 
remember reading one of his articles in which he said that he started
to write about this only because some people asked to via e-mail.
The least you people can do is listen to what he says and stop 
bashing him and respect his views no matter what they are. 

--misra 

p.s> You know there is the 'n' key, i hear it is used to go to the 
     next article. And shakil, hang in there.
 

Xref: sparky soc.culture.bangladesh:2371 soc.culture.indian:14209
From: ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Hindu-Muslim dialog
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:25:59 GMT
Organization: Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Please, folks !

The aim of my posting was not to create flame-wars.
(though I appreciate how easy it is to lose one's
temper on these matters.)

The matter of fact is that I've been searching for
Indian Muslim viewpoints -- and it should be no
surprise (and another subject for debate) that these
are hard to come by, compared to `mainstream' or
`Hindu' views.

The views I present here are what Muslim academics and
intellectuals in India hold. Of course, they may be quite
misleading or irrelevant -- I remind you, however, that
we who are in this discussion, are also academics, with
equally irrelevant views.

Some of the views held by the authors I present are
questionable, and some are irrefutable -- and I'm unhappy that rather than trying to separate the wheat
from the chaff, attacks are made based on the place of
employment of the author.

It should be a simple matter to point out holes in the argument without getting
emotional.

-arun gupta
ag3L@andrew.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: hassan@bcrka434.bnr.ca (Abu Hassan)
Subject: BANGLA MAGZ
Originator: hassan@bcrka434
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:24:19 GMT


        

		
	                April 1992 issue of
			-------------------

			THE MONTHLY BANGLADESH
			======================

		FIRST BANGLA MONTHLY FROM NORTH AMERICA
		=======================================

Bangladesh Publications has been publishing a regular bangla monthly
entitled "the monthly BANGLADESH' since December 1990. Over the last
one year of its existence, the monthly has improved its quality
in terms of both appearance and content. The monthly is composed in
computer using bangla wordprocessor. The publication contains news
from Bangladesh on every topic of interest starting from politics
to day to day life, government affairs, student affairs, cultural 
activities, sports and what not. The publication is very serious 
in encouraging local (north american) bangalees to write about 
various issues pertinent to us in this society. The project is
completely non-profit and oriented towards "glueing" together the 
scattered bangalee community in north america. 
                                                       

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
April 1992 issue of "the monthly BANGLADESH" includes among other things


++ Detail report from Dhaka on Golam Azam's trials in GanaAdalat

++ Analysis of the flaws of Anti-Jamaat movement

++ Report of Prime Minister's visit to USA

++ Article on economic crisis of Bangladesh

++ Analysis of Refugee and Immigration Policy of Canada

++ An article on Satyajit Ray (on the occasion of his
   receiving the Oscar)

++ Report on the final of World Cup Cricket

++ Poems (Shamsur Rahman, Rafiq Azad)                                                        

++ Report on community activities

++ Regular columns on NEWS, Cultural Activities, Sports etc.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

If anyone is interested to subscribe this monthly, please send 
your mailing address along with your subscription.
Plese remember that, it is only through your patronization, 
encouragement and constructive criticism that a monthly can 
survive in a small community like ours. SO PLEASE ACT TODAY !!

Subscription rate :
------------------
6 months : $10.00
12 months : $20.00


Mailing Address :
================
BANGLADESH PUBLICATIONS
601-230 Woodridge Crescent
Nepean (Ottawa), Ontario
K2B 8G2
CANADA

Ph : (613) 828-2290

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen)
Subject: Who keeps Jamaat in power?
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
	<NAEEM.92Apr14171314@occs.cs.oberlin.edu>
	<sho7cINNm26@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 01:08:09 GMT

In article <sho7cINNm26@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> misra@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Boo!) writes:


	   Help me out here.. if this party has been involved in supporting 
   pakistan during the war then why is the Bd govt only going after the 
   leader and why not the whole party? 
------
Bear in mind that a portion of the power elite now are people who were
not involved in indeoendence war, were in London at the time, etc. It is in 
their interests to keep 1971 a distant memory. Trial, etc of Gulam Azam is
bad because next step woul be trial of others. Example: Mannan was Ershad's
religion minister. He was under Gulam Azam's command in 1971. Is it a 
surprise that he would block moves by Ershad govt to bring Azam to trial
(not that there were any).

And who is electing these people?
------
Khondker Mostaque came to power through coup. Zia came to power through coup,
later had elections in which no major figures participated (either boycott or
coercion, i do not remember which-- only exception was M A G Osmani and he 
did not have power base then). Ershad was coup. Mujib was forced dictatorship
towards end.
So by my definition: 
Elected/Mandate/etc: Mujib from 1971 t0 mid 1974
Zia: 1978ish-1983 {but many would quarrel with this as well}
Sattar: Six months? Eight? I don't remember
Khaleda: 1991-?
Over half on post independence has been some form of dictatorship

--
Naeem Mohaiemen  naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu  snm8696@oberlin  216-774-1993
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Bangladeshi man kills himself, then eats wife. Next on Donahue"
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From: mermmzh@engvms.unl.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Jamaat's rise in power
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:23:58 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln

In article <NAEEM.92Apr14171314@occs.cs.oberlin.edu>, naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen) writes:
> In article <1992Apr10.002029.22221@cs.yale.edu> ahmed-shakil@CS.YALE.EDU (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) wri>    Clearly, the current administration has a somewhat different outlook
>   > 
> Zia govt: Islamic republic declared, ban lifted on religion based parties,
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



AS FAR I KNOW THAT DURING THE WHOLE PERIOD OF ZIA GOVT. BANGLADESH WAS
A PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC. EVEN NOW BANGLADESH IS NOT AN ISLAMIC REPUBLIC.
I THINK DURING ERSHAD PERIOD, THE PARLIAMENT (ILLEGAL) MADE IT REPUBLIC
OF BANGLADESH ( DROPPING PEOPLE'S AS IT SOUNDS SOCIALIST) AND DECLARED
ISLAM AS A STATE RELIGION.

---Zakir
From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Asian Development Bank GDP projections
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 15:08:35 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)


    Reuter, Manila, April 10 - The Asian Development Bank (ADB) gave the
following projections for growth in real gross domestic product (GDP)
and inflation for 1992 and 1993 (in pct):

                              GDP             Inflation
                       1991  1992  1993    1991  1992  1993
   NICs                 7.3   7.1   7.1     7.7   7.2   6.6
 Hong Kong              4.0   5.8   6.0    12.3  10.5   8.5
 South Korea            8.3   7.3   7.1     9.7   9.4   8.5
 Singapore              7.0   6.1   7.0     3.4   3.0   3.0
 Taiwan                 7.3   7.5   7.7     3.5   3.4   3.7

                               GDP             Inflation
                       1991  1992  1993    1991  1992  1993
 North Asia             7.0   7.8   7.5     3.0   7.0   6.0
  China                 7.0   7.8   7.5     3.0   7.0   6.0
  Mongolia            -18.0  -6.0  -1.5   130.0  50.0  30.0

                               GDP             Inflation
                        1991  1992  1993    1991  1992  1993
Southeast Asia           5.9   6.7   7.1     8.8   8.1   7.1
   Burma                 3.7   4.0   4.1    28.7  26.0  25.0
   Indonesia             6.4   6.7   7.0     9.2   9.0   8.0
   Laos                  4.0   7.1   5.9    10.4   9.5   9.0
   Malaysia              8.6   8.5   8.0     4.5   5.0   5.0
   Philippines          -1.0   2.8   4.3    17.7  13.0   9.0
   Thailand              7.5   8.0   8.1     5.8   6.0   6.0
   Vietnam               3.8   5.0   4.5    78.9  45.0  20.0

                                GDP             Inflation
                         1991  1992  1993    1991  1992  1993
 South Asia               2.7   4.6   5.0    14.6   8.9   8.3
   Bangladesh             3.3   4.7   5.2     7.4   9.1   9.2
   Bhutan                 3.5   4.0   4.6    11.5  10.5  10.0
   India                  2.0   4.3   4.8    14.4   7.5   7.0
   Nepal                  4.0   3.5   4.0    15.4  16.0  12.0
   Pakistan               6.5   6.7   7.2    12.2   8.0   7.0
   Sri Lanka              5.0   5.9   5.6    12.0  11.0  10.0
From: trivedi@curie.uchicago.edu (Anil Trivedi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: We Need A Hindu-Muslim Dialog (Was: Re: Muslim situation in India)
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:51:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Apr12.225157.21237
Organization: Enrico Fermi Institute, University of Chicago.


In article <1992Apr12.213346.26374@u.washington.edu> ngrjn@milton.u.washington.edu (V Nagarajan) writes:

>	It is clear from Prof.
>	Siddiqui's address that his intended audience was the muslim community.

First, that does not change the fact that one's credibility is diminished
from hobnobbing with those (Saudis) who blatantly violate the values
(religious tolerance) that one is preaching. 

Second, I did intend to talk about the Hindu-Muslim problem in India,
and the need for a dialog to resolve the knots. Just what audience
that one speaker may have had seems less relevant in comparison.


>	I like to read such articles 
>	in order to understand the muslim perception of the communal tensions.

I do agree with that.
Notice however, that Muslims have been talking among themselves
for a long time; ditto for the Hindus.
It is of course good to peek into each other's worlds.
However, IHMO the real need now is to talk TO each other.


>	Arun Gupta is doing a commendable job, imo.

He is. I agree wholeheartedly! 


>	Muslims may or may not be discriminated against in India.

They are. It is not good for anyone; it is weakening the whole country. 
The  time has come when we simply must discuss the issues, resolve the 
disputes,  improve the atmosphere, and really solve this problem for 
everybody's sake.

-----
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: kazi@bugs.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi)
Subject: Re: Golam Azam issue :We should have the whole picture in front of us
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:44:35 GMT

In article <scpd1INNabl@festus.ksu.ksu.edu> misra@festus.ksu.ksu.edu (Boo!) writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.143222.1@engvms.unl.edu> mermmzh@engvms.unl.edu writes:
>>
>>' Gana Adalat' or the mock trail is not unconstitutional or illegal.
>
>	tell me.. how does this work? I mean.. is it like an actual 
>trial with a prosecuter and a defendant and so on.. or 
>it the verdict already decided. I am really interested since
>this is the first time i am coming across it. Thanks..

From my understanding of this concept, and from what I have read about
the 'Gano Adalot', I assume in a 'trial' of this format the charges 
against the accused is read out and evidence is presented to a panel of 
jurists. The jurists in this specific instance were drawn from Bangladeshi 
intellectuals and included noted lawyers. Based on the evidences presented 
the jurists declare their verdict. I suppose in instances like this, the 
evidence is *thought* overwhelmimg enough to assume a presupposition of 
'guilt'. Otherwise I don't see the reason why such a trial might be
carried out. Under the assumption that the evidences are presentable in 
a court of law and the sentence is not actually carried out, I suppose
that the act is not illegal. I do not know whether there were any counsels
for the prosecution or defence arguing the case before the jury. Obviously
the defendant wasn't present in this trial. 

Are there any experts on law/jurisprudence on the net who can expound on
the legality of such actions? 

>>Aculally 'Gano Adalat' is a form of protest.
>
>	It is form of protest for what? What are you suppose to be 
>protesting against?
>

A protest for justice for all who gave their lives for independant
Bangladesh.

A protest against the inertia and criminal delinquence that permits
traitors and murderers to remain scot free.

In addition to being a protest, the 'Gano Adalot' is also a way
of focusing public opinion [and not mass hysteria], informing and
educating the many who have forgotten about 1971.

--Zunaid H. Kazi          302-456-3493        kazi@cis.udel.edu
 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: zmhasan@neumann.waterloo.edu (Z. Masum Hasan)
Subject: Burma, Bangladesh News - April 8
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:16:06 GMT




    Reuter, Dhaka, April 8 - Refugees fleeing from Burma have accused
Burmese troops of opening fire on Moslems at prayer in a village mosque
in western Arakan state, killing at least 200 people, Bangladeshi
officials said on Wednesday.
    Officials quoted a refugee, Azizul Huq, as saying the massacre took
place at a prayer meeting on Sunday ending the Moslem month of Ramadan
in Sikderpara village near Maungdaw town, where the Burmese army last
week closed down a mosque.
    "The Moslems offering Eid al-Fitr prayer fell like sitting ducks
when the troops opened fire," Huq was quoted as saying by an official in
Cox's Bazar in southeast Bangladesh near the Burmese border.
    "Our only offence was we used the closed-down mosque as the venue
for the prayer," Huq was quoted as saying.
    He said nearly 150 devotees were wounded in the attack, prompting a
new influx of Moslem refugees, known as Rohingyas, into neighbouring
Bangladesh -- now reluctant host to more than 215,000 refugees.
    Refugees alleged the Burmese junta had resumed torturing Moslems
immediately after U.N. Undersecretary-General Jan Eliasson ended his
visit to parts of Arakan to investigate claims of persecution.
    "They just stopped killing and raping of Moslems for a week trying
to show Mr. Eliasson that nothing had happened and life in Moslem
villages is normal," refugee Zafar Ahmed said.




    Reuter, Dhaka, Anis Ahmed, April 8 - Burma's embassy in Dhaka on
Wednesday dismissed claims by refugees that Burmese troops had opened fire
on Moslems at prayer in a village mosque, killing at least 200 and wounding
150.
    "We don't have any knowledge about any such incident. Such reports
appear to be a baseless propaganda against us," a senior embassy
official said.
    "There's no truth in it," he said.
    Foreign ministry sources in Dhaka said on Tuesday that Rangoon had
admitted that 37,000 Rohingya Moslems who had valid nationality
registration had fled from Arakan.
    Earlier the Burmese junta had said the Rohingyas were illegal aliens
who would not be allowed to return.
    Dhaka insists all the refugees who have flooded into southeastern
Bangladesh since early last year are Burmese nationals and must go back.
    "Ending the Rohingya influx and repatriation of the refugees will be
discussed during an expected visit to Dhaka by Burmese Foreign Minister
U Ohn Gyaw," a foreign ministry official told reporters.
    "We have received indication that the visit may take place later
this month," he said without giving details. "This is a positive outcome
of Eliasson's visit to Rangoon."
    The Burmese foreign minister cancelled a planned visit to Bangladesh
in January without giving any reason.
    "No date for his (forthcoming) visit has been fixed. We are still
negotiating it," the Burmese embassy official said.


Xref: sparky soc.culture.bangladesh:2519 soc.culture.pakistan:6706 soc.culture.indian:14760
From: m21757@mitre.org (G)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: london and the mai'm
Date: 17 Apr 92 12:49:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: linus.1992Apr17.124955.7653
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

In article <1992Apr16.151417.8823@oakhill.sps.mot.com> 
asim@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Asim Omair) writes:
> Q. How much does a redhead and two blondes cost ?


> Q. What do you call a blonde with brains ?


These types of jokes are tasteless and denigrating.

G
From: misra@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Boo!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: treatment of minority footnote
Date: 15 Apr 1992 12:41:33 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

>Minority Hiring in Bangladesh:
>
>Administration (officers)		5%
>Administration (lower rank)		3 - 5%
>Administration (secretaries)		0 %
>Customs & Excise			0 %
>Income-tax officials			1.5 %
>Military officers			1.5 %
>
>Military soldiers			0 %
>Border security				0 %
>Police, officers			6 %
>Police, rank & file			2.5 %
>Major bank managers			0 %
>
>Embassy & consulate staff		0 %
>Foreign assignments			0 %
>Home ministry				0 %
>Judiciary				0 %
>Ministry of defense			0 %
>
>Industry managers			1 %
>Industrial laboreres			3-4 %
>Recent bank loans			< 1 %

 	Are there special reserved position for minorities?
And I am amazed at the 0% i see in soliders and all other 
'sensitive' and financial positions. Oh.. my goodness
now that is equality.. i have to confess.
From: dwright@metz.une.oz.au (Denis Wright)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: recent baimela
Summary: Really?
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:40:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.154524.11900@ncsu.edu>, asaleh@eos.ncsu.edu (ASIF  SALEH) writes:
> 
>      The Bai mela of 1992 just concluded in Dhaka. This bookfair was
> significant
> in many points.

[deletions]

> 6. An all male procession was brought out under the banner of " Taslima
>    Nasreen Peshon Committee" demanding the punishment of the columnist,
> poet and
>    a wellknown feminist. It was reported that she,in her recent
> article,termed
>    the males as impotents.Details could not be gathered.
> 
> n.b. Naieem Mohaimmen(sp?), if you are reading, its your cousin.

Mygosh!  Are these male demonstrators so unsure of themselves that
they anyone must be punished for challenging their ... potency?

Bit of a psychological hangup, what?  BTW, does the Bangla word which
you've translated as "impotents" have dual connotations as in English;
can it mean "weak" or "unable to act" without having a sexual intent?

Just curious.

'bye from Oz,

Denis.
From: alam@ee.rochester.edu (Sheikh Kaisar Alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: NEW YEAR
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:48:19 GMT
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science


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From: misra@kitty.ksu.ksu.edu (Boo!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Saddam's killing and etc..
Date: 6 Apr 1992 12:17:47 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: kitty.ksu.ksu.edu

	During the gulf war, were there protests against Bd sending 
troops(in bd ofcourse) ? And has the 'islamic world' ever condemed saddam 
and his actions?
Just curious..