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From: malc@equinox.unr.edu (Malcolm Carlock)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Get_token calls nested greater than 20 deep
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:47:18 GMT
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno  Campus Computing Services

A user of ELM 2.2 PL16 on our system, a Sun 4/280 running SunOS 4.1, has
intermittently been seeing messages of the form

	Get_token calls nested greater than 20 deep.
	Emergency exit taken! All temp files intact.

His .elm/elmrc file follows.  Anyone know what's causing this to occur?

calendar = /users/somewhere/magoo/calendar
editor = vi
escape = ~
fullname = Maurice M. Magoo
receivedmail = =received
maildir = /users/somewhere/magoo/Mail
pager = builtin
prefix = >_
print = pl -q %s 1>&2
sentmail = =sent
shell = /bin/csh
localsignature = 
remotesignature = 
sortby = Received
alwaysdelete = ON
alwaysstore = OFF
alwayskeep = ON
arrow = ON
ask = ON
askcc = ON
autocopy = OFF
bounceback = 0
copy = OFF
forcename = OFF
forms = OFF
keepempty = OFF
keypad = OFF
menu = ON
movepage = OFF
names = ON
noheader = ON
pointnew = ON
promptafter = ON
resolve = ON
savename = ON
softkeys = OFF
timeout = 600
titles = ON
userlevel = 0
warnings = ON
weed = ON
weedout = 	"*end-of-user-headers*"
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: paul@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu (Paul Pomes - UofIllinois CSO)
Subject: Re: Elm 2.4 Announcement and 'Comment'
Reply-To: Paul-Pomes@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:35:50 GMT
Keywords: elm

devet@win.tue.nl (Arjan de Vet) writes:

>It's already available from:
>
>	ftp.win.tue.nl:/pub/mail/elm2.4.tar.Z (131.155.70.100)
>
>Docs in PS format:
>
>	ftp.win.tue.nl:/pub/mail/elm.ps.tar.Z (131.155.70.100)

Now on uxc.cso.uiuc.edu in the pub directory.

/pbp
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: (?) compiling elm on NeXTs
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 03:59:17 GMT


In article <1992Oct1.121939.21366@pilhuhn.ka.sub.org>
hwr@pilhuhn.ka.sub.org (Heiko W.Rupp) writes:

>emurphy@cs.uno.edu (Edward Murphy) writes:

>>some functions are being defined twice and it's causing the make of elm  
>>2.3.11 to crash. here's a snippet of the make session that has the  
>>/bin/ld: multiple definitions of symbol _strpbrk

>strpbrk is defined in one source file (grep for it) - comment it out
>and everything works fine. 

Here's how.  I haven't tried it under NS 3.0 (waiting for Elm 2.4);
=====
Notes on compiling Elm on NeXT/Mach 2.1

The man pages go in /usr/lib/man/mann by default; if it
doesn't exist already, su needs to create that directory.

While running Configure:

   When asked about more compiler flags, answer: -bsd
   -fwritable-strings .

   When asked about additional libraries, answer: -lsys_s .

   When asked about where the cc library is because
   Configure can't find it, answer: /lib/libsys_s.a .

Before running make:

   In <elmdir>/src/opt_utils.c, comment out STRPBRK, because
   it's defined in libsys_s.a .  (I have a copy in which
   this has been done.)

   Manually add a #define STRPBRK to config.h .

Then go ahead with make all as noted in Instructions.


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From: pvanheus@frodo.cs.uct.ac.za (P A van Heusden)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: < in Elm
Date: 6 Oct 92 09:55:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: frodo.pvanheus.718365308
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town

When I press '<' in Elm, it tells me it is scanning for calendar entries.
I'm not quite sure what is going on here, since the manual has no extra
info. Could someone enlighten me?

Peter
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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Help with .SIG's
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Organization: U. Munk's private BBS
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 04:27:46 GMT

linda@uni-paderborn.de (Linda Floren) writes:
: >>>>> "Carlos" == Carlos Domenguiz <carlos@dorsai.com> writes:
: 
: Carlos> How can I import or use .SIG files in e-mail messages I send
: Carlos> out..
[...]
: 
: If You use elm, You have a file .elm/elmrc.

Or not :-)
If not type o and > within elm, and you have an $HOME/.elm/elmrc.
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: ewilliam@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Esther Williams)
Subject: Re: Full Name
Organization: Dept. of Psychology, Univ. of Illinois, Urbana
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:14:31 GMT

On our system in my .cshrc file, I have:

setenv NAME " xxxxxxx "

The xxxxxx is my full name.  You do have to have the quotes and the
variable name NAME must be uppercase.
The xxxxxx can be anything and it is what appears in my From: line of my
mail.  
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: bvaughan@lotka.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan)
Subject: converting CMS NAMES to aliases.text
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:20:13 GMT


We are trying to move people in our office from a CMS MAIL system on an
IBM mainframe.  One of the things that made some people reluctant to move
is that they have large CMS NAMES (usually called USERID NAMES) files that
contain a combination of address book information and aliases for e-mail. 
I wrote a little awk program to extract an aliases.text file from a CMS
NAMES file.  

In case anyone else is facing the same problem, I thought I would post it
here.  To use it, ftp the names file to the Unix system and type:
nawk -f translate userid.names > aliases.text

If your latest version of awk isn't called nawk, type 'awk' instead.  If
you want to append to an existing aliases.text, use >> instead of >.  This
assumes you call the program translate and your names file is called
userid.names.  After running translate, remember to run 'newalias' to
update your alias database.

CMS 'nicknames' are always uppercase; this awk program leaves them
uppercase, but elm ignores case in looking up the alias so it doesn't
really matter. 

I hope this saves someone an hour or so of work.  I'm a Unix and awk
novice, so please forgive any stylistic inelegance.

Barbara Vaughan

Cut here-------------------------------------------
BEGIN { linesin=0;fullname="";add2="" }
{
linesin += 1
if ($1 ~ ":nick\.")
  {
   if (linesin > 1)
    { if (fullname == ""){fullname = " = "}
      printf "%s%s%s%s \n",nickname,fullname,add1,add2
      fullname = ""
      add2 = ""   }
   nickname = $1
   add1 = $2
   add2 = $3
   temp = sub(":nick\.","",nickname)
   temp = sub(":userid\."," = ",add1)
   temp = sub(":node\.","@",add2)
  } 
else 
  {if ($1 ~ ":name\.")
    {
      fullname = $0
      temp = sub(".*:name\."," = ",fullname)
      temp = gsub(" *:p",":p",fullname)
      temp = sub(":phone\.*"," ",fullname)
    }   
  }
}
From: rkl@csc.liv.ac.uk (Richard Lloyd)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: elm 2.4.0 RESIZE BUG
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:20:53 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University

I knew that when resize support was added to 2.4 (I put it in myself into
2.3 PL 11), that they'd forget about LINES and COLUMNS :-(

I compiled 2.4.0 on an HP 9000/720 running HP-UX 8.07 and uncovered the
following bug:

* Run a small xterm (e.g. 40 by 20).
* Start up elm 2.4.0 inside that xterm.
* Resize the window (e.g. to 80 by 40).
* Mail a message (which fires up vi in my case).

When vi starts up, it thinks the terminal width and height are 40 by 20 (the
small size) and NOT the new 80 by 40 size !!!

Here's the fixes to curses.c to get around this:

*** curses.c.cln	Sat Oct  3 23:58:48 1992
--- curses.c	Tue Oct  6 14:32:01 1992
***************
*** 113,118 ****
--- 113,120 ----
  static char _terminal[1024];              /* Storage for terminal entry */
  static char _capabilities[1024];           /* String for cursor motion */
  
+ static char linesenv[16],columnsenv[16];  /* Storage for env vars */
+ 
  static char *ptr = _capabilities;	/* for buffering         */
  
  int    outchar();			/* char output for tputs */
***************
*** 272,277 ****
--- 274,285 ----
  
  	*lines = _lines - 1;		/* assume index from zero */
  	*columns = _columns;
+ /* RKL bug fix */
+         sprintf(linesenv,"LINES=%d",_lines);
+         putenv(linesenv);
+         sprintf(columnsenv,"COLUMNS=%d",_columns);
+         putenv(columnsenv);
+ 
  }
  
  SetXYLocation(x,y)


All the fix does is to set LINES and COLUMNS to their appropriate values when
a resize occurs - seems to fix the problem. BTW, if you use "elm -K" for
hpterm invocations of Elm: this gets around the "bad arrow keys" problem
during that Elm alias edit. We use a shell script around Elm that cases on
$TERM to pick out terminals that need -K.

Finally - a little advert:

This "fixed" elm.2.4.0 for HP-UX systems is available on our anonymous FTP
site, ftp.csc.liv.ac.uk (138.253.42.172), as the compressed archive file
/hpux/Users/elm-2.4.0.tar.Z.
 
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Elm 2.4PL0 under NeXTstep 3.0
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:07:35 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


Change one thing, you might get away with it.  Change two
and you're doomed.  So the new elm 2.4 has a much changed
Configure script, which among other things does not find
all the headers it needs at the right times.  And the new
NeXTstep 3.0 puts headers in unusual places (gets less like
Unix every day, I swear).

Unfortunately (Syd tells me), there are no NeXT folks on
the Elm development team.  Elm 2.4 isn't going to compile
under NS 3.0 without some significant changes, I fear, but
I'm not especially expert.  I've made some progress by
editing config.sh after running Configure, but I've run
into a brick wall called symbols multiply defined, for example:

/bin/ld: multiple definitions of symbol _dbm_open
../lib/libutil.a(ndbz.o) definition of _dbm_open in section
(__TEXT,__text)
/lib/libsys_s.a(ndbm.o) definition of absolute _dbm_open (value
0x5002378)

and similar symbols in ndbz.o.  It looks like the libutil.a
library is built earlier in the compilation and is
necessary.  But /lib/libsys_s.a is the NeXT compiler library,
which one presumably does not want to diddle.

All of this is *way* down the list of compiles, at the point
where elm itself is being linked.

From comments in the code for ndbz, it seems to be a
"better" ndbm (I don't know what either one does).

Now what?  Maybe one dispenses with ndbz and lets ndbm
muddle along in its own fashion, but I have no idea how to
do that or what the ramifications might be.

If you're working on this or know more about it, I'd like to
hear from you.

It's kind of a pity, 2.3 worked so easily under NS 2.1.
Since the 2.3 binaries run fine under 3.0, I can run 2.3 as
long as I need to, but updating to 2.4 would be nice.

Any help would be appreciated.

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: FILTER: Will it run on SCO XENIX?
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 21:02:04 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, Canada

This was originally posted with <can> distribution, which didn't get me too
far, so I thought I'd try one more time.... 

This deals with a problem using filter...

I note in the filter guide that I can't use filter because I don't use
sendmail, but it does try to work, as something is certainly reading the
..forward file and executing filter.... perhaps this will help:

From: <MAILER-DAEMON@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>
To: real-kmcvay
Subject: mail failed, sending to address owner

|------------------------- Failed addresses follow: ---------------------|
 /usr/bin/filter ... failed: transport file: failed to open output file: Permission denied
|------------------------- Message text follows: ------------------------|

The question is "what program is trying to open the output file?" This was
generated by sending myself a message via elm. Is the output file
/usr/spool/mail/kmcvay?

Could this be a permissions problem, rather than a filter problem? Here's
what I find in /usr/bin:

-rwxr-sr-x   1 root     bin       224225 May 10 13:17 elm
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root     bin        38794 May 10 13:17 filter
-r-sr-xr-x  10 root     root      195108 May 10 13:37 smail

Any obvious answers here? Anyone out there who has filter working without
sendmail?



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From: wb8foz@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (David Lesher)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Elm sales pitch...
Date: 6 Oct 1992 02:39:05 GMT
Organization: NRK Clinic for habitual NetNews abusers - Beltway Annex
Reply-To: wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher)
NNTP-Posting-Host: skybridge.scl.cwru.edu
Keywords: elm

I'm helping out a friend. He's trying to convince the powers_that_rule
at his bitbucket that elm would be a Real Good Idea on their new
org-wide mailserver. (They presently run {ugh} /bin/mail.)

While I can write up something, I'm also looking for any spiel that
others have used, especially if it worked ;-}

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From: berrin@cs.dartmouth.edu (Berrin Yanikoglu)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Calendar entries
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:56:58 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Hi,

I wouldn't think I would post here :) , but here we go. Does
anyone know this feature of elm about extracting calendar 
entries from received mails? I think it's neat and useful, but
it's kind of a hassle as it is since the calendar entries in 
messages should be preceded by an arrow in the beginning of
a line. Is there anyway to change this so that entries of the
form "->month/date" could be extracted from anywhere on a line
in the message or even better, without even the arrow?

Thanks a lot in advance, :)

berrin
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: hamjavar@carina.unm.edu (Farid Hamjavar)
Subject: ispell
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 05:42:42 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


Article: 7398 of comp.mail.elm
From: samson@prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk (Mark Samson)

>Elm 2.4 includes this functionality through ISpell.  It's an option
>just before you send a message (like edit headers, etc.).
>
Please can you explain what ISpell is and where it is available from. Will
it be included with Elm 2.4 when it is released in October.

Thanks - Mark


'ispell' in our environment is form gnu.

Here are first few lines of the man-page :

----8<--------------------------CUT------------------------------->8----
   NAME
     ispell - format of ispell dictionaries

   DESCRIPTION
     Dictionaries for ispell(1) come in two formats: raw, and unhashed.  The
     hashed dictionary is generated by buildhash (see ispell (1)) from the raw
     dictionary, and is not described here.

     A raw ispell dictionary (either the main dictionary or your own personal
     dictionary) contains a list of words, one per line.  Each word may
     optionally be followed by a slash ("/") and one or more flags, which
     modify the root word as explained below.  Case is significant in the
     root word, but ignored in the flags.  The dictionary does not need to be
     sorted.

----8<--------------------------CUT------------------------------->8----


Farid Hamjavar



Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen)
Subject: Filter and Reply-To
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:51:01 GMT

It looks like the when Filtering out messages, the Reply-To: header
takes precedence over the From: header, even if I am only searching
for the the From: header.

Is this supposed to be the case?

Thanks for any help  .. . .

john
 

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From: rchrd@netcom.com (Richard Friedman)
Subject: Re: elm vs sendmail
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 16:29:23 GMT
Organization: Applied Parallel Rsrch (Berkeley)

wb8foz@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (David Lesher) writes:

>At least one person has written a script to marry elm & nn.  Alas, I
>never got it to work.  Ask in news.software.nn to see if anyone can
>furnish the name & source...
>is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
I found the script in news.software.nn FAQ, but it is true, it
doesnt work.  In fact, I have discovered that it seems that
whenever you specify a mailer with nn other than sendmail,
it doesnt work.  I'll take up the matter with the nn newsgroups.

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From: rchrd@netcom.com (Richard Friedman)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: elm vs sendmail
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:19:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Oct5.201920.5025
Organization: Applied Parallel Rsrch (Berkeley)

James B. Wilkinson <wilkins@cs.cofc.edu> writes:

>I must be missing something.  I thought that elm is a user agent, and
>sendmail is a transfer agent, and those are completely different things. 
>Can someone straighten me out?

Elm can be called as a batch command :
   elm -s <subject> <mail_address> < <text_file>

If you have established elm aliases, you can supply
an alias as <mail_address>.  However, sendmail doesnot
recognize these aliases.
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: dlr@well.sf.ca.us (David L Racette)
Subject: elm manual
Keywords: elm and manual
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: us
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:54:05 GMT


Can someone opint me to where to get the elm manual?
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: emurphy@cs.uno.edu (Edward Murphy)
Subject: (?) compiling elm on NeXTs
Organization: University of New Orleans
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:19:50 GMT

howdy.

had a problem that i thought ya'll might be able to help with. seems that  
some functions are being defined twice and it's causing the make of elm  
2.3.11 to crash. here's a snippet of the make session that has the  
crash...

/bin/ld: multiple definitions of symbol _strpbrk
opt_utils.o definition of _strpbrk in section (__TEXT,__text)
/lib/libsys_s.a(strpbrk.o) definition of absolute _strpbrk (value  
0x5003050)
*** Exit 1
Stop.
*** Exit 1
Stop.

i'm running on a NeXT. I did supply the special options as per the  
instructions (i.e. -bsd and -lsys_s).

any help would be greatly appreciated.

ed murphy
emurphy@cs.uno.edu

ps: i'm also getting a lot of message in the form is 

syscall.c:257: warning: argument passing between incompatible pointer  
types

while it's compiling. are these anything to be concerned about?

ed
From: plarkin@iphase.com (Patrick Larkin - MIS)
Subject: Users' Guide for Elm?
Organization: Interphase Corp. 
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:01:44 GMT

I've just recently changed employers and my new company runs 'elm' as the preferred
user interface to mail (end-users = non-technicals to engineers).   Well, I'm supposed
to be coming up with a training outline for them, and I'm kinda lost....
I've read the man-page(s) for elm and I can use it pretty well.  However, I am
looking for more information on the 'nuances' of elm for our more "advanced" users
(e.g. how-to-configure/meanings-of  ~/.elm/*).
As suggested in the man-page, I want to:

SEE ALSO
     The Elm documentation package, including: The  Elm  Users  Guide,
     The  Elm  Reference  Guide, The Elm Alias System Users Guide, The
     Elm Forms Mode Guide, The Elm Filter Guide, The Elm Configuration
     Guide

Anyone know where I can get these?  Any other good sources you might recommend? 

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From: scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: Elm 2.4 Announcement and 'Comment'
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:41:44 GMT

syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein) writes:

>Ok, I have release Elm 2.4 to the archive sites, and to
>comp.sources.unix.  When the archive sites place it for public
>release I do not know, but I know that one has already (.nl).

A copy is now available on ftp.msen.com in /pub/packages/elm2.4.tar.Z.
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