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From: barb@meaddata.com (Barb Bruns)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: 1993
Date: 21 Dec 1992 18:15:39 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: moe.meaddata.com

Or even better, when communities build away-from-traffic riding trails (bike
trails, running paths) between residential areas and the corporations?

Barb
From: mas@icf.hrb.com (Mark A. Singer)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: 19ft. Stock Trailer for sale
Date: 21 Dec 92 09:32:23 EST
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Dec19.063754.6276@desire.wright.edu>, sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
> In article <1992Dec18.112108.19861@icf.hrb.com>, mas@icf.hrb.com (Mark A. Singer) writes:
>>    19FT. CIRCLE J Stock trailer for sale::: like new condition, good tires
>>    manger and large tack compartment. Gray with white roof.
>> 
>>                                      Ask for Dan at (814) 355-7205 day
>>                                                     (814) 355-0917 evenings
> 
> This is a prime example of the complaints several of us have about 'for sale'
> postings.  There is NO price, (how on earth am I going to determine if I'm
> even interested) and NO location, (where is it, California or Maine?).  
> 
> Sue



    SORRY, I guess you can not make one mistake without being flamed. I
    thought horse people where nice. If you would look up the area code
    you would find it is in Penn. and if you call the number you would find
    out the price. I know that most of you would use company watts so it
    would not cost you anything.
    
        Wingate Penn.
        $ 5,500
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: More on bowed tendons
Date: 22 Dec 1992 22:10:45 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Debbie Levine (deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu) wrote:

: If you use pillow quilts (wash them a couple of times to make them 
: manageable) and flannels, you are quite unlikely to wrap too
: tight.

Triple Crown makes thick quilts with velcro.  Wilsun may as well.
I've had a set for years now and find them a boon in wrapping.  Mine are
also red, which hides some of the inevitable stains.  Most tack shops
don't carry the velcro quilts as a stock item, and they do cost a few
dollars more.  IMHO, they're worth it.

Karen

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: fburton@nyx.cs.du.edu (Francis Burton)
Subject: Re: Drugs in racing?
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 11:52:44 GMT


In the UK the rules regarding drugs are more strict. I recall an incident
a couple of years ago when a horse was disqualified after failing a drug
test which proved positive for (I think) caffeine.  It turned out that the
horse had been given half a Mars bar (=Hershy (sp?) bar) by a stable lad
before the race! 

I personally believe it is not in horses' best interests to race with
either Bute or Lasix - if the horse requires pain-killers because of minor
lameness then it shouldn't be raced at all!  Of course, the welfare of
horses is not of prime importance in racing.

--
Francis Burton      Physiology, Glasgow University, Glasgow G12 8QQ, Scotland.
041 339 8855 x8085  | JANET: F.L.Burton@glasgow.ac.uk  !net: via mcsun & uknet
"A horse! A horse!" | INTERNET: via nsfnet-relay.ac.uk BITNET: via UKACRL
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From: alan_c@cix.compulink.co.uk (Alan Chapman)
Subject: No subject 
Cc: alan_c@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: alan_c@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 00:06:00 +0000

A Happy New Year to all, wherever you are.

Alan.

alan_c@cix.compulink.co.uk

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jd@rust.zso.dec.com (John D'Addamio)
Subject: Re: Arab+Andalusian<>Lipizzan
Keywords: Arab, Andalusian, Lipizzan
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - DECwest Engineering
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 20:17:35 GMT

In article <1hnp76INNa0@agate.berkeley.edu> amarch@garnet.berkeley.edu (Anne Marchant) writes:
>
>I am on the board of directors of the US Lipizzan Registry and
...stuff deleted ...
> I'd also be
>happy to answer any questions anyone has about Lipizzans.  
>
>Anne Marchant
>

Well, I do have a question about the breed name and you sound like a good 
person to ask,so here goes. I have always been confused about what the
breed name really is and what the correct plural is. I was always taught
to use the German word Lipizzaner. I believe the singluar and plural for
this word are the same in German. 

But, the US Lipizzan Registry uses the word Lipizzan as the name and you
used Lipizzans as the plural. In English books/articles, I frequently see
both Lipizzans and Lipizzaners used as the plural. In fact, I have seen
both terms used in the same paragraph!

So, I have two questions:
	1. What are the historical reasons behind the USLR's choice to 
           Anglicise the Lipizzaner breed name?
	2. What is the correct or preferred plural of the word Lipizzan?

Thanks
John
From: amarch@garnet.berkeley.edu (Anne Marchant)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Arab+Andalusian<>Lipizzan
Date: 28 Dec 1992 20:48:38 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Arab, Andalusian, Lipizzan

A Horsey New Year to All!

I am on the board of directors of the US Lipizzan Registry and
we've been getting some inquiries from folks who want to
register their half-Arab, half-Andalusian as Lipizzans.  Since
we've gotten a number of inquiries, this (mis-)information must
be coming from some widely available source.  Has anyone heard
that an Arab+an Andalusian=Lipizzan???

To set the record straight, the USLR only registers horses that
have a five generation pedigree of Lipizzans from the established
lines (Favory, Pluto, Conversano, Neopolitano, Maestoso, Siglavy,
and Tulipan).  They will register as a half 
Lipizzan, a horse with one purebred parent.  Contrary to popular
belief, Lipizzans are not derived from Andalusians--these breeds
have some common ancestors.  And although the Lipizzan has some
Arab blood (as do many modern breeds) the breed has been established
for 400 years.

I sincerely hope that folks have not been misled into breeding
their Arabs to Andalusians or vice versa thinking that they'd
have a registerable Lipizzan foal (although I'm sure that makes
a nice cross).  I would expect that the foal would be registerable
as a half-Arab--I don't know if the Andalusian registry accepts
half-bred or part-breds.

I'd appreciate any tips on how this rumor started.  I'd also be
happy to answer any questions anyone has about Lipizzans.  For
more information, write:

USLR
Rt 4 Box 89Y
Amelia, VA 23002

Anne Marchant

-- 
Anne Marchant, Lone Tree Lipizzans, 6221 Lone Tree Way Brentwood,
(northern) CA 94513, (510) 516-0821
amarch@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: Ruth Vale <rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Rear-face horse trailers - dealers?
Originator: rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:03:45 GMT


Can anyone give me specific names/addresses of dealers who handle
rear-face horse trailers?  The only information I have at the moment
is the name of a dealer in New Zealand which is just too far from
central Ontario :-).  I'm looking for pictures, engineering details,
specs for the hauling vehicle, maintenance costs, etc. and prices.
Is there a market in used rigs of this type?  Anywhere within
a day's drive of here is ok - i.e. northwest U.S. northern New York
State, Michigan and even as far as Ohio.  A Canadian dealer in
southern Ontario or eastern Quebec would be preferred but I'll
take what I can get.  N.B. This is reasearch, with a future purchase
in mind in the next year or two.

Thanks,

Ruth
-- 
=============================================================================
  I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am
    not sure you realize that what you understand is not what I meant.
=========================== rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca ======================
From: steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King) 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: more on bowed tendons
Date: 27 Dec 92 16:22:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: IDC BBS - Alameda, CA - 510-865-7115
Reply-To: steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King) 

To: tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu

TS | 	The subject of blistering with regard to bowed tendons was just
TS | brought up so I thought I'd respond.
TS | 	Blistering is no longer considered to be of any therapeutic use
TS | for treating bowed tendons.  All it does is scar the outside skin and
TS | cause more damage to the leg but in another area.

Atually, veterinarians have now learned both blistering and pin-firing 
have no therapetic use for any horse problem.  Now that we know they do 
nothing, they're continued use is just cruelty.

steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King)
                 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: laura@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Laura Bremen)
Subject: Test
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Distribution: md
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:12:57 GMT

Test.

-- 
Laura Bremen 				laura@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
Homewood Academic Computing		(410) 516-8096
Johns Hopkins University
From: steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King) 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Farm software?
Date: 24 Dec 92 04:34:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: IDC BBS - Alameda, CA - 510-865-7115
Reply-To: steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King) 

To: rdrob@med.unc.edu

RR | Is there such a thing *anywhere* such as a software package that might
RR | help keep track of individual farm animals?  I find myself in need of
RR | something to keep track of worming schedules, vaccinations, dosages, farrier
RR | schedules, etc.  
RR | If anyone has any thoughts/ideas about this, I would appreciate if you'd 
RR | drop me a line.


Check out HORS (the Horse Owners Record System), a $25 shareware program 
available from its author:

         Jo Eltzeroth
         11800 Breton Court, Suite 22B
         Reston, VA 22091

steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King)
From: gnd@idaho.amdahl.com (Greg Darnell)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Brags Re: Happy Solstice
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:15:44 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corp., Rexburg, ID

In article <1992Dec21.191012.738@cas.org>, mlr21@cas.org (Mary Lee Raines) writes:
> 
> Today is Solstice.  

and Solstice is happy - my wife's Trakehner gelding named Solstice, 
that is.  Her Solstice finished 27th in the country out of 770 horses
competing at 4th level dressage, with an average score of 62.788%, in 
his first full year of competing at 4th level.  He also finished third
at 4th level dressage in American Trakehner Association rankings.

I am particularly proud of horse and rider since they got to that point
in Idaho, where the nearest instructor is 3 hours away, so that they get
at most two lessons per month, and my wife had never ridden above second
level before moving here.  I am also proud that they have reached this
level without ever having a professional trainer on his back since being
green broke.

I just had to brag to an audience that would appreciate their
accomplishment - most people here have never heard of dressage.  I can
only take credit for lungeing him when my wife is unable to work him,
and for being driver, groom, maintenance man, groundskeeper, stall
cleaner, etc.  The rest was accomplished by their year-round hard work.

Greg
-- 
 Greg Darnell    Amdahl Corporation    143 N. 2 E., Rexburg, Idaho 83440
  UUCP:{ames,decwrl,sun,uunet}!amdahl!tetons!gnd          (208) 356-8915
  INTERNET: gnd@idaho.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: prescott@rtsg.mot.com (Audrey Prescott)
Subject: Wilson blankets
Summary: blankets
Keywords: blankets
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:59:02 GMT

I was wondering if anyone out there has heard of Wilson blankets.
My friend gave me their number from an advertisement in some horsey
magazine so I gave them a call.   The same person that founded Triple
Crown also founded this Wilson Blanket Company a few years back.  Also,
the lady who has played a large part in making the blankets for triple
crown for 16 years has now worked for Wilson Blankets for 4 years.
The man I spoke with on the phone, who was VERY knowledgable, told
me they are basically the same styles as Triple Crown blankets, and 
described the blankets to me.  Sure sounded just like a Triple Crown.
They had really good prices too!!  $132 for the winter blanket if you
ordered it direct from them.  It retails for $175 in the tack stores,
and according to my catalog, the comperable Triple Crown is $181.
I love my triple crown blankets that I use on my other horse.  They
have lasted three winters and are going strong.  We just bought a new
horse and he needs an 84" blanket.  He was off the charts in most 
of my catalogs!  So I went ahead and ordered this Wilson Blanket - they
have sizes clear up to 94 or 96 - some gigantic size like that.

I was just wondering if anyone has had any experience with this company 
and their blankets.  Please let me know!
If anyone wants their number, let me know via e-mail.  I don't want
to seem like I am promoting a product on the net.  Just want people's 
experience with this complany.  Thanks!

Audrey Carroll
prescott@rtsg.mot.com


AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!   MANY HAPPY TRAIL RIDES, SHOWS, AND JUST
PLAIN GOOD OLD HORSE FUN TO ALL!
From: mike.may@rochgte.fidonet.org (Mike May)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Seeking Information on Norwegianfjord Horses
Date: 29 Dec 92 18:48:36 GMT


>>   Well I might be able to help your friend out a little bit.  I am the
>>   Registrar of the Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry.  I have some phamplets
>>   available if he/she is interested.  Also the NFHR puts out a quarterly
>>   newsletter/magazine called the Fjord Herald.  It is full of interesting
>>   articles each issue.  Have him/her give me a call and I will see >>  
what I can do for them.  716-872-5199

>Good Heavens!  Another Fjord person on the net!  And, one who's
>actually part of the Fjord "establishment".  I guess I'm going to have
>to be more careful about the Fjord info and advice that I give out,
>huh?  ;-)  Glad to have the company!

Hi Marsha,

   I don't think that you will have to be too concerened with any information
you give out.  I just read through some of your file and you seem to have a
pretty good handle on things in the Fjord world.  ;-)

  You have three nice looking horses there BTW.  I only have one 6 yr old mare
named Malla.  She was imported from Norway in 88.  My daughter Niki and Malla
have completed the requirements for the "Excellence Award" offered by the
NFHR.  Malla is the first one to win it so far. She also has recently
completed her requirements for the "Versatility Award" too.  If you get the
Fjord Herald, and I assume you do as you are a member of NFHR then you can see
a few pictures of Niki & Malla in the last couple of issues.

       Mike

PS.  Nice to see that there is at least one other Fjord owner that has access
to a network.  I am actually only connected by way of a bridge we have from
FidoNet to the internet.  Do you have a modem and PC at home too?  If so there
is an excellent "Echo" on FidoNet called EQUUS.  I am the Co-Moderator of that
echo.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: clever@sequent.com (Cathy Cleverley)
Subject: Thoroughbred Stallion Prospect for sale
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems (Canada) Ltd.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 17:31:23 GMT


I am posting this on behalf of Kingsbrook Farms.  I am no longer
working there, so any interested parties could contact the farm
manager directly.~

FOR SALE - Quiet Canadian~ (Vice Regent - Demure x Dr. Fager)

Dark bay, coming four year old stallion.  His half brother, Quiet
American (Fappiano - Demure) is standing at stud in Kentucky.~

He has a wonderful temperment, is straight and a reasonable mover.~

He can be seen at Kingsbrook Farm in King, Ontario~

Asking price is $10,000 Cdn~

Contact Tom Jay at Kingsbrook - (416) 727-5989~



Cathy~
clever@sequent.com
--
Cathy Cleverley                                 clever@sequent.com
Sequent Computer Systems (Canada) Ltd.          +1 416 629-4000
"An expert is anyone more than 100 miles~
from home with a set of slides"
From: patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov (Patty Howell)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Brags Re: Happy Solstice
Date: 21 Dec 1992 22:00:43 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alpha.larc.nasa.gov

In article <10348@tetons.idaho.amdahl.com> gnd@idaho.amdahl.com (Greg Darnell) writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.191012.738@cas.org>, mlr21@cas.org (Mary Lee Raines) writes:
>> 
>> Today is Solstice.  
>
>and Solstice is happy - my wife's Trakehner gelding named Solstice, 
>that is.  Her Solstice finished 27th in the country out of 770 horses
>competing at 4th level dressage, with an average score of 62.788%, in 
[...]
>-- 
> Greg Darnell    Amdahl Corporation    143 N. 2 E., Rexburg, Idaho 83440
>  UUCP:{ames,decwrl,sun,uunet}!amdahl!tetons!gnd          (208) 356-8915
>  INTERNET: gnd@idaho.amdahl.com

HEY CONGRATULATIONS!
From: mike.may@rochgte.fidonet.org (Mike May)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Seeking Information on Norwegianfjord Horses
Date: 27 Dec 92 11:56:22 GMT

CA> A friend without net access has recently acquired a Norwegian fjord
CA> horse,
CA> and is seeking information about it (which seems to be hard to come
CA> by). He
CA> is particularily interested about the horses history (esp. how it came
CA> to be
CA> imported into the United States), breeding, but general information
CA> would
CA> also be appreciated.
CA> 
CA> Anyone out there know any good references or anything about this breed?
CA> Thanx in advance.

  Well I might be able to help your friend out a little bit.  I am the
Registrar of the Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry.  I have some phamplets
available if he/she is interested.  Also the NFHR puts out a quarterly
newsletter/magazine called the Fjord Herald.  It is full of interesting
articles each issue.  Have him/her give me a call and I will see what I can do
for them.  716-872-5199
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: mary@boulder.watson.ibm.com (Mary McHugh)
Subject: Re: Kudos to Kyle Karnosh
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 17:59:09 GMT
Reply-To: mchugh@watson.ibm.com (Mary McHugh)
Organization: IBM TJ Watson Home for Tired Hackers

I second the KUDOs.  I was on vacation when I read the Chronicle, so my kudos
are a bit late.

Mary McHugh
From: ae361@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sonya Paetzel)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Transporting my 4-legged friends
Date: 31 Dec 1992 13:05:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


I was just wondering if anyone out there can recommend a 
reputable horse transporting outfit.  My primary concern
is finding one that takes the horses comfort and well-being
into consideration while en route.  The horsey magazines
seem to be filled with various ones but Id really like
some input from some of you as to which are the best.
Thanks,
Sonja
Feathers & Kai (who may be moving to Iowa with me in
    the very near future...)
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: 19ft. Stock Trailer for sale
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:47:17 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1992Dec21.093223.19873@icf.hrb.com>, mas@icf.hrb.com (Mark A. Singer) writes:
> In article <1992Dec19.063754.6276@desire.wright.edu>, sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
>> In article <1992Dec18.112108.19861@icf.hrb.com>, mas@icf.hrb.com (Mark A. Singer) writes:
>>>    19FT. CIRCLE J Stock trailer for sale::: like new condition, good tires
>>>    manger and large tack compartment. Gray with white roof.
>>> 
>>>                                      Ask for Dan at (814) 355-7205 day
>>>                                                     (814) 355-0917 evenings
>> 
>> This is a prime example of the complaints several of us have about 'for sale'
>> postings.  There is NO price, (how on earth am I going to determine if I'm
>> even interested) and NO location, (where is it, California or Maine?).  
>> 
>> Sue
> 
> 
> 
>     SORRY, I guess you can not make one mistake without being flamed. I
>     thought horse people where nice. If you would look up the area code
>     you would find it is in Penn. and if you call the number you would find
>     out the price. I know that most of you would use company watts so it
>     would not cost you anything.
>     
>         Wingate Penn.
>         $ 5,500
> 

Sorry, Mark, didn't mean to sound nasty, but we've had several discussions
on the net about postings of things for sale that have no location and no
price, I guess you missed them.  As it is, I don't have access to a wats
line, I don't call long distance about items if I don't know enough about
them to know whether I am interested or not.

Sue
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: pcorley@hsc.usc.edu (Pamela M. Corley)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Need two ISBNs
Date: 21 Dec 1992 18:37:54 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: hsc.usc.edu

The ISBN # for "Horses Seldom Burp" is 0-498-02575-6.
Publication info: San Diego: A.S. Barnes; London : Tantivy Press
c1982.  112 pgs.  Full title is: "Horses Seldom Burp: How to Keep 
Them Happy and Well" 

I doubt that "Introduction to Bridge and Target Training" has an ISBN #.
The ordering address is: Kayce Cover, 8466 N. Lockwood Ridge Rd., Suite 142,
Sarasota, FL 34243.  The price listed is $11.90
(from "Equus" December 1992 pg.32)

Pam Corley
-- 
Pamela M. Corley		Internet: pcorley@phad.hsc.usc.edu
Information Specialist
From: lbm@avs.com (Linda B. Merims)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Sources for horse books
Date: 29 Dec 92 16:46:28 GMT
Organization: Advanced Visual Systems Inc.
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X-Posted-From: phobos.avs.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Thank you!  Thank you!  I've been looking for just such a list.

Incidentally, "ephemera" means things like catalogs from old
auctions.  These are valuable, for example, to Morgan people
because some of the only known photographs of famous old horses
are present in the auction catalogs from a farm dispersal.

Incidentally, two interesting facts about Barbara Cole:  she's
a long-time Morgan breeder, and when she lived in Massachusetts
she worked at MIT as Norbert Wiener's ("Cybernetics," etc.)
Administrative Assistant.

Linda B. Merims
From: steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King) 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: At stud
Date: 25 Dec 92 05:51:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: IDC BBS - Alameda, CA - 510-865-7115
Reply-To: steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King) 

 Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
 From: steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King)
 Subject: Offered at stud


                             CLEVELAND BAY
                        "The English Warmblood"

                        WHEELGATE'S LORD CHARLES
             A Cleveland Bay Stallion Imported From England

 16 hands 2" - 14" knee and 9" cannon - 1 of 25 purebreds in USA/Canada

             Offering size, substance, and athletic ability
               for Dressage, Jumping, and 3-Day Eventing

      Also, several Thoroughbred-cross Charles offspring for sale.

 Stud Fee: $1000

 Steve & Mary King
 Wheelgate Farms
 18405 Bywood Dr.
 Cottonwood, CA 96022
 (916) 347-3410
                                                                                        
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