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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Mario Bailey's progress in Houston?
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:49:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.030804.28170@henson.cc.wwu.edu> steves@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Steve Schunzel) writes:

   I am a big Washington Husky fan and am wondering how Mario Bailey is
   coming along with the Houston Oilers.  I would think he would excel in the
   run and shoot, being that he is a small, fast receiver. Could anybody tell
   me his progress, or if he has a shot at starting.

Mouse Davis, along with the talent selection components of the Lions,
Falcons, and Oilers, have strongly suggested that the "small fast" tag on r&s
receivers is completely bogus.  I don't understand why people keep talking
about it.  I rather suspect that Toon and Rice would fit in very well with
any one of those three teams.

Bill
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From: andy@sunbird.central.sun.com (Andy Knipp Metro SE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Perry weighs in..
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:03:47 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
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at 322 lbs today,  in Halas Hall, Lake Geneva.  Perry is 
expected to sign a contract,  hopefully tomorrow.  He could
play against the Lions.

BTW,  for those of you who know Chicago,  I am looking for a
place to be taken to lunch by the infamous lions-fan Bill MS
(who really lives in Chicago but uses his UofM account to
post),  after teh Bears defeat the Kittens,  err Lions.  

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From: patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power)
Subject: Re: Redskins Suck!
Reply-To: patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:06:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.133236.19980@news.bucknell.edu>, lesher@news.bucknell.edu (T. Lesher) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug31.042957.21118@novell.com> rjmathia@la.sjf.novell.com (Robert Mathias) writes:
|> >
|> >I haven't seen any of the Cowboys games this pre-season but I know they
|> >couldn't have played as bad as the 'Skins all pre-season.  At times the 'Skins
|> >1st team defense has looked ok, but the offense is completely out of sync.
|> >I'm sure for all Cowboy fans, it will be a wonderful game, but I don't see
|> >anyway for my 'Skins to be ready for this game!
|> >
|> >
|> >
|> >Bob Mathias
|> >rjmathia@Novell.com
|> >CSERV: 70340,165
|> 
|> As much of a skins fan as I am, I have to agree.  Besides, it seems like
|> the 'Skins (my favorite team) always have a tough time with the Cowboys
|> (my least favorite team).  Look at last year...  Maybe if I had the
|> motivation, I could dig up some stats for the last few years on 'Skins-
|> Cowboys matchups... or could someone else?


    Here's one key statistic:  The 'Boys have played in 7 MNF season openers
       (most in NFL) with a 6-1 record.  The 'Skins are 2nd with 6 appearances
        and a record of 1-5.  


        <x>  Paycek
        < >  Irvin
        < >  Step



     Go Cowboys!
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Thu,  3 Sep 1992 12:09:00 -0400 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: STEELERS (and other starting QBs)

>NYG:	(can't remember his name---not Simms)

oops. apparently at this time, Simms *may* be the starter due to an
injury to Hostetler.
(see the "Re:Giants QB situation" thread)

--Vernon.
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 15:28:42 -0400 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Steelers: Bubby vs Neil
	<1992Aug25.141639.868@visus.com>

on an interesting Bubby note, here's a little story a friend of mine is
fond of:

My friend was sitting in a bar here in Pittsburgh, when in walks...yep,
you guessed it, Bubby. Bubby proceeds to walk over to one of the female
patrons in the bar and hits on her--grabbing her ass in the process.
Turns out this particular female patron came equipped with a boyfriend.
:D A fight ensued (the bubster didn't fare well, hehe) and when it was
broken up, the owner threw Bubby out, despite his vehement protests of
"Buh...don' ya know who uh AM?!" hehehe.

--Vernon.
From: smorris@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Morris )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Lions News
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:45:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center

Hey, got some response!  Saw quite a few good questions and comments
Based on those, some followup:

Jerry Ball - They've been taking it real slow with Ball (he didn't
play in the first two ex-games), but as far as I know, he's OK and
will be near 100% for the start of the season.

Secondary - I forgot about Sheldon White still holding out.  He, like
NT Pete, might have a tough time making the team.  Maybe they could
package those two in a trade.  Melvin Jenkins did walk out of camp
for about 3 days a couple weeks ago whining about renegotiation.
But he's back (no reneg) and everything is OK.  Willie Clay was a
corner in college, but is considered one of those 'tweeners', not
fast enough to play corner but not big enough for safety.  However,
he knows how to play DB real well (I think he had 9 ints last year)
and should do well in nickel and dime zone situations.

Running backs - I think Dozier is going to be out until baseball
season is over.  Word I hear is he really wants to play baseball.
Unless he's really stupid, he's got to realize by now the Lions
are not going to pay him anywhere near what he's asking and are
fully prepared to go on without him.  I think Byron Sanders was
cut because he's just too small.  I think they want Barry's back
up to be a fullback type for blocking and short yardage situations.

Receivers - I don't think Campbell will be cut.  I'm sure they
would like to trade one, but if they can't, I think they'll take
the best players strategy.  Keep 8 WRs and only 2 TEs and RBs.

Defensive Line - I don't think they feel they need Pete to back up
Ball because Owens did a good job when Ball went down last year.
They also have a rookie free agent named Bernard Wilson who has
supposedly looked good.  Barring a trade for an OL (Spindler and
Hunter would be most likely to go), there isn't a spot for Pete
even if they cut Wilson.  As far as Spindler playing is pass rushing
situations, no way.  Word is he is pro bowl caliber against the run,
but can't rush the passer to save his life.  Key to the pass rush
is keeping Cofer healthy.
Pritchett's injury is not supposed to be serious.  He should be ready
for opening day.

I haven't heard one word on Tracy Hayworth, good or bad.  Anybody
know anything?

I think the Lions are DESPARATE to make a trade for at least one
starting quality guard.  They would have to get very lucky to find
someone on waivers, even after the final cut down.  I think they
will find a way to get someone, either by trading draft picks or
the players that have been mentioned, even if they have to give up
more than the guy's worth.

Ron
From: stephenl@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Stephen Lamar Legate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: PREDICTIONS
Summary: Got to get my hat in the ring...
Keywords: crystal balls
Date: 1 Sep 92 04:41:18 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.



Well, everybody seems to be doing this, so...

NFC WEST

1. San Francisco	I hate to pick 'em, 'cause I HATE 'em.  But nobody 
2. New Orleans		else in the division has an offense worth crap.
3. Atlanta
4. Los Angeles

NFC CENTRAL

1. Minnesota		Minnesota will suprise everybody, including themselves.
2. Detroit		Barry Sanders is the best back around, but Rodney 
3. Chicago		Peete ain't gonna help him enough.  Ditka's gonna chew
4. Tampa Bay		a cubic buttload of gum.  Wyche will kick Testaverde in
5. Green Bay		the ass, but the rest of the Bucs will still bite.

NFC EAST

1. Dallas		Aikman, Irvin, Novacek, and Smith are the most powerful
2. Philadelphia		offensive tandem in the league.  Cunningham and Walker
3. Washington		are gonna mix well.  The 'Skins are still solid.  Timm
4. St. Louis		Rosenbach is a star on the rise.  Handley looks more 
5. New York		like an accountant than a football coach.

AFC WEST

1. Denver		Elway's gonna do it again, with a little help from the
2. Kansas City		fastest and hardest-hitting defense in the league.  
3. San Diego		People keep picking the Chiefs because they've got 
4. Los Angeles		a "real quarterback" in Krieg.  But I've actually
5. Seattle		watched the man play.  Feh.  Chargers on the rise.

AFC CENTRAL

1. Houston		Moon & Co. are gonna whomp tail in the weakest
2. Cleveland		division in the league.  Kosar is still worth 
3. Pittsburgh		something.  Pittsburgh *might* be on the rise. 
4. Cincinatti		Shula Jr. is a decent coach, but the team still sucks.

AFC EAST

1. Miami		Marino wants a ring, and Humphrey's gonna try and get
2. Buffalo		one for him.  Buffalo is on the slide.  The Pats and 
3. New England		Colts are better than they look (but that ain't sayin'
4. Indianapolis		much).  The Jets are all fart and no shit.
5. New York

AFC PLAYOFFS:

Buffalo----\
	     Buffalo\
Kansas City/	      Denver\
	     Denver-/	     \
			       Denver
	   Houston\	     /
San Diego\	    Miami---/
	   Miami--/
Miami----/


NFC PLAYOFFS:

Washington\
	    Washington---\
Detroit---/		   San Francisco\
	    San Francisco/		 \
					   Dallas
	   Dallas-\			 /
Detroit--\	    Dallas--------------/
	   Detroit/
Minnesota/


AND IN DA BOWL:

Denver 35  Dallas 17

And Elway retires in glory...

-Chundarr the Prognosticator,
From: athos@apple.com (Rick Eames)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Seifert High?
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:39:01 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Aug29.071842.19688@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM
(John P. Gloria) wrote:
> 
> In article <athos-280892113459@athos.apple.com> athos@apple.com (Rick Eames) writes:
> >I just can't believe he named Steve "Not Doing Well" Young as the official
> >starter over Bono *and* Montana.  This will be a dismal season.
> >
> I hope Steve Young has as many dismal games like tonite's,
> Aug. 28.  Although I opt for Bono, if Young can connect with
> Rice like he did tonite, then let him take the Niner's all the
> way until he falters.  At this point, put Bono in.  I am
> hoping Montana can play, but I wouldn't bet money on it.

We'll see. The Seahawks aren't that great a team, however.  If it takes
Rice for Young to be worth anything, that *scares* me.  

I just see Seifert doing some really strange things this year (the
treatment of Montana is just one of many...).
--
Rick Eames
athos@apple.com
My opinions are my own, thank you very much!
HERSCHENSOHN for US Senate.  Just say "No" to 6 years of Boxer!
From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Is there going to be a Dolphins/Patriots game?
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:34:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

The Patriots-Dolphins game this weekend has been cancelled.
They tried to reschedule the game in NE, but couldn't reach
an agreement and also the field was torn up due to a recent
concert. So, they'll play the game in October during the
bye week.
From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: BEARS CUTS.....
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:32:56 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

andy@misha.central.sun.com (Andy Knipp Metro SE) writes:

>The Bears have cut the following players to get to the 47 man
>roster limit:

>DE Eric Kumerow,
>DB Maurice Douglas
>WR Glenn Kozlowski
>RB James Rouse
>QB Paul Justin
>TE Todd Harrison
>WR Eric Wright
>LB Mike Stonebreaker
>(another FA LB)

Any word on whether the Bears will try to resign any of these players
after putting someone on the injured reserve?  

I hate to see Kozlowski go.  He is really a great special teams player.
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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: Terminology question
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:34:19 GMT

In article <vamplew.714190846@probitas> vamplew@probitas.cs.utas.edu.au (Peter Vamplew) writes:
>I know this is a pretty stupid question, but I've never been able
>to get a decent answer to this. Why does the fullback stand in
>front of the halfback? (and I don't want 100 messages saying "So
>he can block for the halfback").
>
>What I mean is that the name seems confusing. It would make more sense
>to have the quarterback, then the halfback and then the fullback, right?
>
>I know that halfbacks tend to be called tailbacks now, which lessens 
>the problem, but it still seems odd. Back in the dim dark mists of the
>past, was the fullback ever the guy furthest back from the line of 
>scrimmage? If so, when did this change?
>
The Fullback stands in front  of the Halfback because of the introduction
of the "I"  formation  (circa late '50's or '60's?)  which supplanted the
"T" formation from which  the terms come.  I am not certain about the or-
dering of the players,  but  in a typical T-formation running play,  that
sequence (Fullback, Halfback, Quarterback) of players is what the defense
sees with either the Fullback being the lone blocker, or the Fullback and
Halfback both blocking on a keeper.
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From: AMDCE1@ysub.ysu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Status on Bennet
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:19:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: ysub.168549F4E.AMDCE1
Organization: Youngstown State University

Has anyone heard any news about Cornelis Bennet being close to signing or what?
Or how about Mckellar???  sure hope Mr Polian gets these boys signed quick
cuz the bills need them.
 
Brad
 
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From: LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu ()
Subject: news???
Organization: Vanderbilt University 
Distribution: World
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:54:51 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

The Broncos have claimed Daluiso off waivers, I see :(
Is he just going to do kickoffs, or is Treadwell out of a job?
From: nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Physical Graffiti)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: This season surprises.
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:56:27 GMT
Organization: Houses of the Holy

In article <Derek_Juntunen.07id@abcd.Houghton.MI.US>, Derek_Juntunen@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Derek Juntunen) writes:
> Who does everyone think this seasons big surprise will be?
> Here are my picks:
> 
> 1.  Minnesota
> 2.  Tampa Bay
> 3.  NY Jets
> 
> Any thought?
> 
> -- Via DLG Pro v0.995


Here's a thought to ponder.  Are the Bears still one of the the elite
teams in the league with Ditka running one of the most unimaginative
offenses ever?  If the Bears do well and win the division is that to
be expected or  is it a big surprise and an upset?

Nitin
-- 
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Wear Your Heart on Your Sleeve Department:
Go Bulls, Go Bears, Go Broncos, Go Blackhawks.
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Hilgenberg Trade Official
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:42:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.201817.7178@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff) writes:
> mocnik@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com writes:
> 
>>The trade is done, according to WGN - Chicago and WKNR - Cleveland, 
>>Jay Hilgenberg to Cleveland for a conditional 4th round draft choice in 1993. 
> 
> AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Just what the Bears need - to get rid of a proven offensive
> lineman.  I sure hope Jerry Fontenot can handle the job full-
> time...
> 
> A "conditional fourth round pick" for a Pro-Bowl center?  I would
> have hoped for more.


Or was he an ex-Pro-Bowl center? TO me, the word 'Pro-Bowl' is
misused. People keep using that term in front of
over-the-hill football players who once went to the Pro-Bowl 
and are no longer that good. On top of that, some players make
the Pro-Bowl on reputation for 2-3 years after they are over
the hill. 

For example, Leslie O'Neal of the Chargers. He is 
playing nowhere close to the form that sent him to the pro-bowl
a few years ago.
And yet the moron announcers keep calling him a pro-bowl def.
player. He no longer is a pro-bowl player. Its like calling
Greg Olson (Atl. Braves) an all-star catcher all his life. 

I don't know if Hilgenburg went to the pro-bowl last year. If
he didn't, the Bears did not trade a pro-bowl center. Maybe 
Hilgenburg was giving a quick snap, and Ditka noticed that..
who knows.


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Date: Thu,  3 Sep 1992 12:31:05 -0400 
From: Thomas Oligino <to0b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Giants QB situation

> 
>I heard, I think on ESPN, that because of a nagging injury, Phil Simms will
>start this weekend instead of Jeff Hostetler.  Anybody else heard this or can
>confirm this?
>-- 
>BERNSTEIN,AVRON P
>Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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>Internet: gt6390a@prism.gatech.edu

WWOR sports reported WED night that Handley has not decided who will
start and may not decide untill game day. I think he knows it will be
Simms and doesn't want to answer questions all week about who will be
the starter in week two if Simms beat the Niners.


Tom Oligino
Carneige Mellon University
Go Giants
 

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From: elambert@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Eber Lambert)
Subject: Re: San diego starter at QB? 
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:33:05 GMT

voracek@macdfv.dfrf.nasa.gov (David Voracek) writes:

>watched part of the game...who is the starter at QB for
>the season.... 

>humphrey? or gagalino.... humphrey had a pretty good game

>dave


According to the San Diego Onion this AM Ross is going with the Gag-ster
at #1.

el
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From: melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill)
Subject: Re: Minnesota RB question
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:51:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.121554.889@meaddata.com> daled@meaddata.com (Dale Drummond) writes:
>What's the running back situation in Minnesota this year?  Will Nelson
>be the starter?  Thanks.
>
	No way! :) Terry Allen will get most the playing time, with Roger
	Craig, and Nelson getting some time also. People in Minnesota should
	be able to shed more light on it than I being ehre in Wisconsin...

								Mark
								GO VIKINGS!


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From:  ()
Subject: Go Broncos
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics, Denver
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:32:30 GMT

There isn't a team in the AFC (and probably the NFC (east) )
that has a prayer against the Broncos this year - especially
the Raiders in the opener at Mile High Stadium!

Next year is here!

GO!

- Bob    - Bronco Fan
         - Raider Haider

Broncos 77
Raiders 2

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From: michaelh@netcom.com (Michael Hernandez)
Subject: Re: signings, holdouts
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 17:59:10 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Aug26.204228.20712@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.1541.15152@execnet>, al.sorhaindo@execnet.com (al sorhaindo) writes...
>
>>It would be good to have a list of significant players who are still not
>>in camp. May anyone add to this list?
>> 
>>Thomas Everett   Steelers
>>Waters           Eagles
>>Erik Howard      Giants
>>Eric Moore       Giants
>>Michael Irvin    Cowboys
>>Jay Novacek      Cowboys
>>Terrell Buckley  Packers
>
> Brian Noble      Packers
>
>JGH

Keith DeLong       49ers
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From: skywalker@DINO.QCI.BIOCH.BCM.TMC.EDU (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: COWBOY'S CUT'S
Date: 26 Aug 1992 18:23:30 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Howard Hughes Medical Institute

Cuts by Dallas:


Bernard Clark  LB
Chris Hall     S
John Terry     G
Jay Hillman    FB
Pat Evans      TE
Anthony Butts  DB
Anthony Green  WR

Dallas receives a two-week exemption for Tolbert, Kupp and Maurice Crum.
The Cowboys also traded rookie guard Rod Milstead to Clev. for a undisclosed 
draft pick nent year. One more player will be cut today to get under the 
60 man limit. It's going to be tough getting down to 47 next monday.
Jason Garrett has been named as the 3rd QB ahead of Kupp.

Upcomming Events:
Dallas vs Chicago Fri. 7:00 CDT  (Not even TV here) :-(  

Hold-outs:  

Mike Irvin       WR
Mark Stepnoski   C
Jay Novacek      TE


Go Cowboys !!!

Tim

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