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From: fred@mks.com (Fred Kratky)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: brochure formatting help
Keywords: interposition
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:40:02 GMT
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA

In article <1992Aug19.171548.7665@SSD.intel.com> davidl@ssd.intel.com (David Levine) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.170205.7647@mks.com> fred@mks.com (Fred Kratky) writes:
>
>[Fred Kratky suggests two documents, one 5.5 x 8.5, the other 11 x 8.5,
>and copying all the elements from each page in the little one to the
>appropriate place in the big one.]
>
>This technique works (I used to use it) but it has a couple of
>disadvantages.  The biggest problem is that when you copy and paste
>text columns, the pasted text column loses all connection to the
>others.  This can ruin your formatting if you have any paragraphs that
>begin in one text column and end in another, or if you use any
>autonumbering that spans text columns.  

I have never had a problem with formatting being ruined.  I don't know
about autonumbering, but that makes sense.

>
>To avoid these problems I modified this technique.  Instead of making
>the big document completely blank and copying the little document's
>text columns to it, I make the big document with a series of empty text
>columns connected in the appropriate order.  Then I select all the TEXT

I have two problems with this.  A lot of the articles I produce run
slightly over or under a full page so I have lots of little spaces to
fill an small amounts of text to put somewhere.  The result is that all
pages start with an article and some contain the continuation of an
article as well.  I don't think that I can create a single flow under
these conditions (or do I not understand flows properly??).

The other is that the size of my publication changes each time.  This
would mean re-arranging the flow each time (or having multiple templates
I suppose).
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From: jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Printing text-only files to disk
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:39:12 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug19.173755.23361@pony.Ingres.COM> sstark@Ingres.COM (Scott Stark) writes:
>
>Does anyone know of a way to print a file to a disk as plain text?
>Many word processing programs allow you to do this in the same
>way you create a postscript file.  This is different from simply
>saving the file as ASCII, since printing to disk also includes
>headers and footers, page numbers, etc., and puts an appropriate
>number of spaces in front of centered text, indented text, etc.
>
>Frame tech support claims never to have heard of such a thing.
>Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

The only way I've seen it done on UNIX platforms is to save the file 
to disk as a text file, with newlines at the end of each line. Then
insert NROFF commands to create the proper footers and headers. Run 
it through NROFF to create the final "print to disk." Pretty lame 
way, but it works.
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From: matt@unidata.ucar.edu (Matt Hicks)
Subject: Help, please. MIF to TeX or LaTeX or similar?
Keywords: TeX, MIF
Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:27:41 GMT

Want to turn a FrameMaker file into a TeX or LaTeX file (or some
similar option?). Originally tried to turn it into just an ASCII file,
but no method seems to retain any of the formatting, which is what
we are really concerned with. The Frame file is printed out and 
distributed as a hard copy with software. We are trying to convert it
to a nicely formatted file that can be included with an ftpable
distribution with a minimum of post conversion futzing. Suggestions?

Sorry if this question is vague; I'm a novice with all of this.
*Any* reasonable suggestions will be appreciated.

Thanks.
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From: ewoods@hemel.bull.co.uk (Eoin Woods)
Subject: Re: frame Xresources
Organization: Bull HN UK
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 11:43:06 GMT

todd@draco.macsch.com (Todd C. Williams) writes:

>I see some mention in the FAQ of 'Maker*background: white', etc.,
>and I see a little here and there about various other resources,
>but IS THERE ONE ALL-INCLUSIVE LIST of the Xresources supported
>by framemaker?  Any difference in the X and OL versions?
The offical list is in an Appendix in the Frame Reference Manual (App
D I think).

There could obviously be other undocumented ones hanging around.

Eoin.
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From: slepla@acorn.co.uk (Stephen Le Pla)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: colour proofing with frame
Keywords: colour
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:25:36 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Acorn Computers Limited, Cambridge, UK

Do you use Frame to produce colour artwork?

I need to produce my next set of manuals using the spot
colour facilities and colour graphics.

How do you proof your manuals?

Can you windows users use windows to print to standard colour printers
without using postscript?

Can you Mac users do the same?

How do UNIX users obtain colour proofs?

Mail me and I'll summarise to the net.

Steve

slepla@acorn.co.uk
From: likavec@igd.fhg.de (Jaromir Likavec)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Hypertext with FrameMaker
Keywords: hypertext
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:47:17 GMT

I want to use framemaker's hypertext capabilities as support for
management of our institute's LAN. Has anyone experience with such
application or any other realtime application that need large
documentation support.

likavec@igd.fhg.de

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: mrj@moria.cs.su.oz.au (Mark James)
Subject: Problem printing Frame docs with embedded Postscript (WRAPAROUND)
Reply-To: mrj@cs.su.oz.au (Mark James)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:14:16 GMT
Keywords: postscript

I want to print a Frame document that has an embedded Postscript
picture that has come from a scanner.  The preview image is fine
on the screen, but when I use Ghostscript to look at the printed
Postscript version of the page, the image has been wraped around its
bounding box with the left side of the image about 70% of the way from
the the left side of the box.  When I send this to the printer, nothing
comes out.  The raw EPSF file of the image prints fine.

I am using Frame 2.1X.  Is this a known problem?  Does anyone know
a workaround?  Am I doing something wrong?  Will Frame accept other
image formats?

Thank you for your time,

Mark James                                   |  EMAIL : mrj@cs.su.oz.au  |
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: jiro@shaman.com (Jiro Nakamura)
Subject: Re: Rotate Objects != 90 degrees?
Organization: Shaman Consulting
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 02:55:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.164912.29194@col.hp.com> bae@hplsdrn.col.hp.com  
(Bruce Erickson) writes:
> 
> Select the object (or objects), hit (in sequence) ^R g i
> 
> This will give you a dialog box and let you specify the rotation angle.
> 
> To use the mouse, select the object and use ^Rgt....
> 

Huh? This doesn't work on NeXT FrameMaker 3.0.... Does it work on any  
other versions

	- Jiro
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From: jackson@ess43.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Jackson)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Frame input problem under 3.1X
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:06:43 GMT
Organization: Schlumberger CAD/CAM


In article <21565@hacgate.UUCP> grover@vulcan1.edsg.hac.com (Dean Grover) writes
:
>>About a week ago, we upgraded from version 3.0X to 3.1X of frame maker
>>on our sun systems.  Now I am getting reports from users that occasionally,
>>dialog boxes (like "search") will stop accepting keystrokes.  We are able
>>to point the mouse and click in the box, but any keyboard input is lost
>>(or maybe directed to the frame document ??).  A workaround we have found is
>>to take down the dialog box and put it back up again.  Has anyone else
>>seen this ?  Since we had no such problems with 3.0X, I'm considering
>>going back.  If nobody else has this problem, I'll try and come up with
>>a repeatable senario.

>   o If you use the follow-mouse mode, then make sure these two lines
>     are in your file -- if not, add them.
>
>     OpenWindows.SetInput:   followmouse
>     Maker.olwmClickType:    False


I recently ran into this problem on my DECstation running 3.1.
I tried adding the defaults suggested in the reply.  No dice.

After many attempts to correct the situation, including logging out and
back in, rebooting my machine, calling our DECstation support person, and
*even* reading the documentation, I found the problem.  It was one of those
**DUH** things that people new to Motif (like me) take a while to figure out.

What happened was that I had recently built another application, which came
with a set of application defaults that I modified and blithely merged into
my resource database.  These defaults contained the following line:

          *keyboardFocusPolicy:          pointer


Since this line was now part of my Xdefaults, and NOT limited to its
application (like it should have been), FrameMaker was picking this up
and attempting to use it.  FrameMaker panels don't like this focus policy.
Once I shut off this resource and rebuilt using xrdb, Frame worked fine.

Now that you Motif gurus have had a good laugh, let's hope this helps
someone from making the same mistake.


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From: chchao@hplred.HP.COM (Chung-Huei Chao)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:04:34 GMT
Subject: FUN meetings' report?
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame


Hi,

Has anyone written a trip report for recent FUN meetings in Bay area?
Would you please send me a copy?

Thanks in advance,

- Chung-Huei
From: cortesi@informix.com (David Cortesi)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Drawing dashed lines
Date: 15 Aug 92 15:41:29 GMT
Reply-To: cortesi@informix.com
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Aug14.084632.5078@stc.nato.int> koelman@cuby.stc.nl (Ton  
Koelman) writes:
> 
> How do I draw dashed lines (3.0, NeXT)
> I hope it can be done...

To a small extent. Select the line and then in the tools
window, select a "Pen" color that is a striped texture.

This is the nearest approximation to a dashed line. It is
not really very good.  You can make it work if your lines are
all at multiples of 45 degrees; however you must use a
different stripe pattern for each angle of line.
From: pla_jfr@pkinbg.UUCP (joachim friedrichs,LD,)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: FrameMaker and PostScript files
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:40:29 GMT

From article <1992Aug13.154409.21097@lut.ac.uk>, by A.H.Al_ashaab@lut.ac.uk (AH Al_ashaab):
> I have a file in PostScript format and I want to see it
> (filter it) in my FrameMaker but I do not know how
> to do it and I could not find out that by reading
> the manuals so can anybody help?
Create a text rect with the dimensions you need for your ps include.
Then import the ps file in this text rect (line = paragraph). Now you
have to tell FrameMaker that it has to interpret this ascii text as 
ps code: Format Flow dialog box - select PostScript code. The text rect
becomes an object and its dimensions are the dimensions of the 
ps include.
From: kob@ixos.de (Karl Obermayr)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: FrameMaker3.1 and DECwrite
Date: 17 Aug 92 10:48:20 GMT
Organization: iXOS Software GmbH, Munich, Germany


Hello fellow framers,

we need to get some hundred pages of FrameMaker documents
using everything this fine tool provides (graphics, tables, ...)
into DECwrite. We're using FrameMaker3.1 on Sparcs.
We do not know DECwrite at all, but we're afraid that things
are not so easy.

Any suggestions how to procede!


Any answer is welcome!
Please reply by email!
Thank you very much!

Karl Obermayr

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From: A.H.Al_ashaab@lut.ac.uk (AH Al_ashaab)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: FrameMaker and PostScript files
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:44:09 GMT
Reply-To: A.H.Al_ashaab@lut.ac.uk (AH Al_ashaab)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.

Hi 
I have a file in PostScript format and I want to see it
(filter it) in my FrameMaker but I do not know how
to do it and I could not find out that by reading
the manuals so can anybody help?
it is the same for another file in LaTeX format.

Thanks for the help in advance.
and PLEASE reply in EMail

Ahmed AL-ASHAAB
Manuf. Eng Dept., Loughborough Univ of Tech
Loughborough, Leics LE11 3TU, England.
EMail : A.H.Al_ashaab@lut.ac.uk  OR     ahmed@mansun.lut.ac.uk
Tel 0509-263171 Ext. 4247       Fax. 0509-267725
From: artc@bacchus.epps.kodak.com (Art Campbell)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: FrameMaker for Windows
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:53:36 GMT
Reply-To: artc@bacchus.atex.kodak.com
Organization: Atex Publishing Systems, Inc.

In article <8Re8oB2w164w@grafex.cupertino.ca.us>, steveh@grafex.cupertino.ca.us (Steve Harding KA6ETB) writes:
|> 
|> Unfortunately, there is no filter available for Ventura Publisher.  I asked
|> Frame about this and got a song and dance about Ventura refusing to release
|> proprietary specs.
|> 
Ventura is notoriously hard to translate becasue the program breaks its docs up
into a small herd of files -- specs in one, text and tags in another, and so on.

If all you want to do is import text and apply your own styles, the import is
dead easy because Ventura doesn't have much of a word processor capability. Its
text files are almost always Word, XyWrite, or a similar compatible program.
Because the tag names are embedded in these text files, it's simple to do a
search-and-replace and bring them in through MML.

If, on the other hand, you want to open a perfectly formatted Frame document
from a Ventura file without doing any work, you do have a problem. You'll have
to build your styles and templates just as you would for any other project. 

FM has said that it is working on a filter, though. 

BTW, none of the filters in the Windows package are from Frame itself -- they
were purchased from a third party and integrated, to the best of my knowledge.
This is unlike the UNIX filters, which were developed in-house. (I don't know
anything about the Mac flavors...)
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From: pa1@educ3teradata.com (Pat Alvarado)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Problem with connecting flows
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:34:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR Corp. - El Segundo, Ca.

In article <1992Aug19.132228.9346@brtph560.bnr.ca>, trice@bnr.ca (Tony Rice P885) writes:
|> Gotta good one here:
|> 
|> I have a document which is restarting paragraph numbering in the
|> middle of the document.  After viewing the special characters I 
|> found the "curly-S-section-thingy" meaning end of flow.       
|> 
|> I aha I said, connect the two flows.  Easy right?  Wrong.  
|> 
|> All lines of the document claim to be in flow A. I cant select the two
|> areas.  The document acts as if it were 2 documents appended to each other
|> with a definite end of document where the problem is occurring.
|> 
|> Any suggestions?

The best way I found to beat this is to use the "Freeze Pagination"
feature. First select Page->Freeze Pagination and select to freeze
the pages. Each page will get broken into its own flow. Select
Page->Freeze Pagination and select to unfreeze the pages. Now all the
broken flows will automatically get connected together.

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: bobmcc@tcs.com (Bob McCormick)
Subject: Re: Master page text columns to body page
Keywords: master bodt page text columns
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:30:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.234716.12922@medtron.medtronic.com>, kate@medtronic.COM (Kate Seastone,MS-10,9295344,) writes:
|> 
|> I have created 4 text columns on my master page "Right"
|> and 4 on my master page "Left" and the style sheets are
|> slightly shifted accordingly for binding. (... fine and dandy...)
|> (These text columns all have tags)
|> 
|> But... when I have a body page using "Left" and then change
|> it to use to formats/layout for "Right", the text columns which
|> showed on the "left" body page become 'fixed' on the page an
|> I get the text columns for the "right" page as well. 
|> ie. Now I have 8 text columns on my body page, and all are 
|> slightly shifted and overlapping now.  

The key (I think) is the tags.  Are the tags on the Right master the same as the
tags on the Left master?  If they are the same (exact same number and tags) then
FM should move/resize the old Right-format columns to look like Left-format
columns.  However, if the column tags don't match, then it does a "union"
operation and you get lots of columns.

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From: gah@zoo.bt.co.uk (Geoff Hopson)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: SPARCprinter & Frame Problems
Date: 13 Aug 92 08:37:40 GMT
Reply-To: gah@zoo.bt.co.uk
Organization: BT Laboratories


We have recently purchased a SPARCprinter and have installed it OK - or so we thought. I have successfully printed off some Postscript stuff (Calendar Manager week view, some Gifs etc) but have a major problem with FrameMaker. On the printout the text does not wrap, and the font is always Courier. Is this a FrameMaker setup problem?

(Installation on a Sun Sparc 2, SunOS 4.1.2, FrameMaker 3.0)

Email or post any solutions.

Thanks in advance...

Geoff
From: kob@ixos.de (Karl Obermayr)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: FrameMaker3.1 to DECwrite
Date: 14 Aug 92 09:11:24 GMT
Organization: iXOS Software GmbH, Munich, Germany


Hello fellow framers,

we need to get some hundred pages of FrameMaker documents
using everything this fine tool provides (graphics, tables, ...)
into DECwrite.
We do not know DECwrite at all, but we're afraid that things
are not so easy.

Any suggestions how to procede!


Any answer is welcome! Please reply by email!
Thank you very much!

Karl Obermayr

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From: cortesi@informix.com (David Cortesi)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Rotate Objects != 90 degrees?
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:55:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: informix.1992Aug19.205529.20358
Reply-To: cortesi@informix.com
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Aug17.180326.10584@SSD.intel.com> davidl@ssd.intel.com 
(David Levine) writes:
> In article <1992Aug14.111156.16780@eua.ericsson.se> euakan@eua.ericsson.se 
(Theo.Kanter) writes:
> >In FrameMaker 3.0 I would like to be able rotate Objects any nymber of 
> >degrees. Not just 90 degrees. This works for lines by dragging the ends 
> >around, but is there some function which allows one to rotate objects by
> >an arbitrary number of degrees?
> 
> Use the following key sequences:
> 
> 	<Esc> g x : RotateObjectEXactlyByTypingInAngle
> 	<Esc> g i : RotateObjectInteractivelyByMousing
> 
> This used to be an undocumented feature (<Esc> x x 1 and <Esc> x x 2), but 
> now I think it's documented.

In Frame 3.01 for the NeXT, you still have to use !xx1 and !xx2.
They do, however, work.
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: tpe@IDA.LiU.SE (Tommy Persson)
Subject: Re: bibframe in OLframe?
Organization: CIS Dept, University of Linkoping, Sweden
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:03:54 GMT

>>>>> On 20 Aug 92 23:16:44 GMT, laufer@math.luc.EDU (Konstantin Laufer) said:

> Has anyone gotten the bibframe package to work with OLframe 3.1 on a
> Sparc?  It appears that the Frame cut and paste functions do not work
> inside a dialog box.  However, the bibframe keyboard macros rely on
> this functionality when generating a variable name from a key in the
> document.  Any suggestions?  Thanks,


I just noticed this lack of backward compatibility.  I am getting very
frustrated with these small differences in the different versions of
Framemaker.  

But maybe I should be grateful to frame for making it impossible to
support bibframe for OLframe.  Less work for me to do.

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