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From: barrett@add.itg.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: Other reloadables besides Aerotech?
Date: 29 Dec 1992 20:12:20 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Incorporated, Austin
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Buzz, this note to you bounced with a user unknown error????

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>>  The Aerotech 29/40-120 system uses 1, 2 or 3 propellant 'slugs' and
>>cardboard tube spacers.  Nothing is ever left 'loose' in the casing.
>>This is the same for delay elements.  You have thicker or thinner
>>elements, depending on the delay time, and cardboard tubing to take up
>>the extra space.  The 18 and 24 mM reload systems are handled in the
>>same manner.  And by the way, there is twice as much propellant between
>>the 29mm 'E' (40NS) and 'F' (80NS) reloads.  However, the 'G' reload is
>>only 120NS, not 160NS.  It uses 3 of the propellant slugs versus 2 for
>>the 'F'.

  Buzz, how do the cardboard spacers work?  Do they keep the flame off
of the top surface of the top propellent grain (assuming that the
cardbord spacer is on top).  How do you ignite the top propellant grain
if it is not at the top of the casing?

  If the cardboard spacers are at the bottom, then ignition would be
straight forward, but the bottom surface of the bottom propellant grain
would be exposed to the flame.

  Either way, a strange burn profile would result.  That may explain the
wierd sputters that you hear with the Aerotech reloads (which I find
annoying; reminds me of Jerry Irvine's motors).


Stu Barrett  barrett@add.itg.ti.com
TRA#1277  NAR#4341
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: 8' rockets..
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:27:13 GMT

CT80@music.mus.polymtl.ca (Steph) writes:
: 
: We are a Montreal-based amateur club building experimental rockets.
: Our first one was 16kg, just over 5'.  We are currently working on
: a second one which should reach around 26kg, 8', complete with its
: own inboard computer and all the hooplas.  The problem is this :
: the only clubs that we _know_ of that also make these kind of rockets
: are in Europe.  Last year we had to fly oversea just to launch our
: rocket (using a French booster, too).  Problem is this : it's not
: very practical for us, and *I* couldn't go cuz the travel fares were
: way too steep for me.  So I'm looking for people, addresses, anything,
: anyone..  there has to be other clubs like us in North America!  If
: you know of a place, if the place is you, or if you know there is
: another, better suited newsgroup than this one, please let me know.

It sounds like you are going far beyond model rocketry and High Power
Rocketry.  If so, then you will have a difficult time finding kindred
souls. There are one or two universities that have student projects
using liquid fuels or rockets constructed out of metal. I do not recall
which schools they are, however.

Getting a license to experiment with such rockets in the US is extremely
difficult.

Bill
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: jackson@sn.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: 8' rockets..
Reply-To: jackson@sn.jsc.nasa.gov
Organization: Organization, City, State, etc.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 00:12:47 GMT

: We are a Montreal-based amateur club building experimental rockets.
: Our first one was 16kg, just over 5'.  We are currently working on
: a second one which should reach around 26kg, 8', complete with its
: own inboard computer and all the hooplas.  The problem is this :
: the only clubs that we _know_ of that also make these kind of rockets
: are in Europe.  Last year we had to fly oversea just to launch our
: rocket (using a French booster, too).  Problem is this : it's not
...........................
It sounds like you are going far beyond model rocketry and High Power
Rocketry.  If so, then you will have a difficult time finding kindred
souls. There are one or two universities that have student projects
using liquid fuels or rockets constructed out of metal. I do not recall
which schools they are, however.
 
Getting a license to experiment with such rockets in the US is extremely
difficult.
 
Bill
...................
I think this depends on what state you are in, I dont think here
in Texas there are state laws restricting any kind of rocket
building as long as you are not in a city or county that restricts
fireworks, and maybe not even then.
 
.......................
Al
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: Jim Cook <J.Cook@ENS.Prime.COM>
Subject: Re: hot glue
Reply-To: <J.Cook@ENS.Prime.COM>
Organization: Prime Computer, Inc.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 22:43:02 GMT

In article <1hvn2iINN417@transfer.stratus.com> det@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com
(David Toland) writes:


>...  BTW, I learned this from cdt, who's
>done far more model rocketry than I, and I measure my experience
>in decades.  If he says a construction method doesn't work well,
>I believe him!  His models don't come apart very often, ...

That's because NAR trustees don't build them very often.  
Helps with your batting average.

;}
From: barrett@add.itg.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Rocket R&D:  New Address
Date: 28 Dec 1992 22:03:42 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Incorporated, Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: powder.add.itg.ti.com

John sold Rocket R&D to a couple in Illinois.

New address:

  Rocket R&D
  308 E. Elm
  Urbana, IL. 61801
  217-344-2449
  217-344-0327 (Fax)

They have a pretty good set of products; Aerotech, ISP, THOY, etc.  I
talked to the new owner and he has been in the hobby for over 30 years.

I like them because they carry THOY products, which I think are great
kits.  They also take Visa/Mastercard so you can "close the deal" over
the phone.  All in all a good place to buy discounted rocket stuff.

Usual conflict of interest disclaimers apply.

Stu Barrett  barrett@add.itg.ti.com
TRA#1277  NAR#4341
From: 161685732@vill.edu (JOE PRYSZLAK)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: high power rocket launcher
Date: 24 Dec 92 00:04:00 GMT
Organization: Villanova University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Dec23.190312.29460@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes...
>161685732@vill.edu (JOE PRYSZLAK) writes:
>: I recently bought an Aerotech model rocket kit (the Initiator to be exact) and
>: I would like to build my own launcher for the thing, since Aerotech charges
>: a bit too much for theirs.  Does anyone have any plans for a good rocket
>: launcher for E-G engine rockets?? 
>: Message-ID: <23DEC199210352822@vill.edu>
>: Organization: Villanova University
>: News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
> 
>The Initiator is quite light. I have seen them launched from the model
>rocket style "sawhorse/rod" type launcher - using a sheet metal disk as
>a blast deflector.
> 
>If you want something heavier, I believe plans were printed on one of the
>issues of The Tripolitan (before it became High Power Rocketry Magazine).
> 
>Bill


If you could please give me the issue number and a place I can get back issues
I would greatly appreciate it!  Thanks you much.
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: jsvrc@rc.rit.edu (J A Stephen Viggiano)
Subject: G Engines are Back!
Organization: RIT Research Corp
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:43:17 GMT

As of right now, Aerotech G engines are shipping. I just received a G40 from
Rocketman, with a few interesting changes to the packaging:

     1.	A green sticker on the front advises that sale to those under the
	age of 18 years is prohibited by Federal law. Because the sticker
	covers the usual caution statement at the bottom of the blister side
	of the package, the more salient information from this notice is
	repeated on the sticker.

     2.	There is a new, happy, addition: the California Fire Marshall's
	good housekeeping seal! (Remember the older packages that had a
	white dot covering the seal on packages containing Gs? This one's
	still got the white dot, but the MR-501 seal appears rubberstamped
	thereon. Hardly news, but still nevertheless great for our
	California friends!

Also included, for your reading amusment: a photocopy of a fax from AeroTech
president Gary Rosenfield, explaining that sale to infant minors can get
the retailer, the distributor, and AeroTech into very, very serious trouble.
He asks that the driver's licenses of purchasers be not only checked, but
that the number be recorded on the sales ticket. "Your strict adherence to
these sales restrictions is critical to avoid . . . being subject to
substantial fines," it closes. It would have been nice if he would have
added that cooperation for just a little longer might also help get things
cleared up a little faster, by not getting any CPSC personnel pissed off.

Anyway, now back to the regularly scheduled discussion of the RES (Reloadable
Engine System) situation.

John Viggiano, jsvrc@rc.rit.edu
NAR 25615
From: st1ec@rosie.uh.edu (Tse, Oliver)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Homemade Photoetching... Photocopy
Date: 29 Dec 1992 12:56 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Hey folks, just got the February '93 issue of FSM and saw that P-47 article.
The writer mentioned the July 1991 FSM issue where they talked about homemade
photoetching.  Anybody willing to xerox this article for me if I send them a
SASE and some money for copying?  How about the guy that I gave my Fletcher
plans to?  Anyone still available during winter break?  Thanks and adios.

Oliver
st1ec@rosie.uh.edu

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From: abennett@athena.mit.edu (Andrew A. Bennett)
Subject: Colonial Phantom Decals
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 16:33:36 GMT

Thanks to Andrew Davies, I have found them!

They are made by Maintrack Models in the U.K. and can be purchased directly or
via Mil Slides Models in the U.K.

The pertinent information is as follows:
	Clearfix Phantom decals, 1/48 scale, part #D483 or MAD483  3.50 (sterling)
	Clearfix Phantom decals, 1/72 scale, part #D724 or MAD724  2.95 (sterling)

Maintrack is at (44) 424-437428
(sorry, no address)

Mil Slides is at:
Mil Slides Models
24-28 Cromwell Road
Redhill
Surrey, RH1 6HS


-Drew

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From: abennett@athena.mit.edu (Andrew A. Bennett)
Subject: MilSlides (was Re: Colonial Phantom Decals)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:04:40 GMT

It seems that MilSlides has moved, and left no forwarding information.

Anyone know what happened to them?

(BTW: I ordered teh decals directly from maintrack)

-Drew

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From: c34657b@saha.hut.fi (Tuomas Viljanen)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: MilSlides (was Re: Colonial Phantom Decals)
Date: 31 Dec 92 07:59:31 GMT
Organization: The Nibelungenlied Incorporated

In article <1992Dec30.170440.8275@athena.mit.edu> abennett@athena.mit.edu (Andrew A. Bennett) writes:
>It seems that MilSlides has moved, and left no forwarding information.
>Anyone know what happened to them?

I've heard the company has gone bust.



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From: rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Randy J. Ray)
Subject: Re: Tamiya T72M-1 Update + rumors
Organization: US WEST Communications, Inc. -- Denver, CO
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:16:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.165720.20940@sj.nec.com>, paul@hagar.tdd.sj.nec.com (Paul Gordon  x3856) writes:
>   On the subject of detailing kits, has anyone compared the Eduard and
> Entropy Maxim products. The Entropy Maxim version is three times the price
> of the Eduard version.
>   Also, what has happened to OnTheMark over the last year or so? There have
> been no new releases. They were promising M1, BMP, etc detailing kits for
> this year. Are they having financial problems?
> 

I have seen the Eduard set, but not the other. I have not looked closely at the
Eduard set.

As for Mark, well, business has been good. Really good. So good, in fact, that
he spends almost all his time filling orders, and is behind on his new 
products. But he will have them out within 6-8 weeks, he told me. BTR-70/80,
the BMP sets, M1 and M2 (I think), and some 1/25 scale stuff for the large
kits. He is also planning on redoing part of the original BRDM artwork to fit
the DML kits (it was originally for A.E.F. Designs' kits), with a few added
pieces maybe for the variants. More news as I get it (which is weekly, since
he lives only a few miles from me).

Randy
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From: aq479@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul E. Sincaglia)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Paint age
Date: 28 Dec 1992 22:33:28 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


I have been out of modeling for some time and have recently
re-entered the hobby.  I have begun going through my old
"shit" (some of it is just that) including allot of paint.

Is there any problem in using paint that is up to 7 yrs old?
Some of the paint I have is Humbrol stuff that is at least that
old.

thanks
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Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
From: spiff@netcom.com (Mark Schumann)
Subject: Source for anime kits?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 09:02:31 GMT

A while ago someone posted the name of a mail-order place in the midwest(?)
that carries hard-to-find mecha kits.  I, of course, have lost the address.
Could someone please repost, or email?  Thanks.


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From: mikes@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Sheumaker)
Subject: 1/35 scale cars
Followup-To: res.models.scale
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:04:18 GMT

Does anybody know if there are 1/35 scale car models available? Specifically
BMW or Mercedes? These are for a diorama. I want to show an M-1 smashing a
German's car on a street during a REFORGER.

Thanks to all......
Mike Sheumaker
.



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From: obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: Paint age
Date: 29 Dec 92 06:55:46 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

As for 7 year old Humbrol - it depends on the container.

I've sucessfully used humbrol that was older than that, but it was either
in factory-sealed tins or transferred to glass during the long wait.

You'll know when you try to use it.  Even if there's still liquid
present, sometimes it just wont shake/stir properly.  I'd advise anyone
with aged paint of any brand to put in into one of those paint-shakers
(or make one from a pad-sander) for quite some time before opening it.
If you're spraying, then I also reccommend letting it sit for a while
after shaking. Stirring does not add as many bubbles as shaking, but
shaking does not fool you by making bad paint *seem* to mix.

I've also had Humbrol that was bad the day I bought it, which is why I
essentially always immediately put it into Polly-S/Floquil bottles.
If shaking sounds OK and it's _never_ been opened, then I think the
tin's probably fine.

	Bob 
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From: ChazL@county.lmt.mn.org (Chaz Larson)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: Paint age
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:34:06 GMT
Reply-To: ChazL@county.lmt.mn.org (Chaz Larson)
Organization: LaserMaster Corporation

In article <1hnvboINNkfe@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, aq479@cleveland.Freenet.Edu 
(Paul E. Sincaglia) writes:
> I have been out of modeling for some time and have recently
> re-entered the hobby.  I have begun going through my old
> "shit" (some of it is just that) including allot of paint.
> 
> Is there any problem in using paint that is up to 7 yrs old?
> Some of the paint I have is Humbrol stuff that is at least that
> old.

The Tamiya acrylics I had laying around for close to 7 years were fine when I 
opened them.  Some had to be soaked in solvent for a bit to loosen the dried 
paint that was sealing the lids on, but once they were opened they were all 
fine.  I can't speak for oil-base enamels.

chaz

..must think...bubble pipe will relax me and I think...
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From: aq479@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul E. Sincaglia)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Acrylic paint: Opinions
Date: 3 Jan 1993 14:59:57 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous post I asked about Tetors ne Model Master Acrylic
line.  As I prefer using the water based paints, I would really
like an assessment of all acrylic paints suitable for modeling
rom all of you folks.

Which of the paints are the best and the worst and for what 
reasons......etc.

Please post the replies, they will probably shed allot of light
for all of the modelers who read this board.


thanks

skigs

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From: aq479@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul E. Sincaglia)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: 1/32 tread plate
Date: 28 Dec 1992 22:34:33 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Does anyone make 1/32 scale tread plate (diamond plate) like
the stuff on commecial and fire trucks?


-- 
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From: thorn@phoenix.radonc.unc.edu (Jesse Thorn)
Subject: Re: On posting for sales & etc
Organization: Radiation Oncology, NCMH/UNC, Chapel Hill, NC
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:40:17 GMT


Lets see the list - sounds like you have some interesting kits.

--Jesse
QUIT

--Jesse
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From: sheehan@ucs.indiana.edu (Mark C. Sheehan)
Subject: F-4G camouflage (cross-post)
Followup-To: rec.models.scale
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:34:49 GMT

Hi. This is a cross-post from the AIRCRAFT@GREARN listserv. If any of you
can help Ireneusz, please send direct e-mail to me and I'll cross-post it
to that list. (I've lost his e-mail address or I'd give it to you.)

Thanks.

-Mark 
==========================
>Hi all! My questions is dedicated to aircraft camouflage specialists.
>I'm going to make an F-4G Phantom II model, that was produced by
>Italian firm Italeri. I have doubts about paints colours given by the
>kit producer in assembly manual. F-4G 'Wild Weasel' is from 35th TRW
>39th TFTS USAF, and the colours are as follows:
>   camouflage: radome tan  - F.S. 33613
>               dark green  - F.S. 34079
>               olive drab  - F.S. 34087
>   bottom is painted in flat white - F.S. 37675
>Rather strange colour set.
>
>I've made a small research about Phantom camouflage painting and found
>that colours could be like this:
>   camouflage: sand        - F.S. 30219
>               dark green  - F.S. 34079
>               green       - F.S. 34102
>   bottom:     light gray  - F.S. 36622
>Am I right?
>The only F-4 that looks like painted with use of radome tan is in 1992
>Hasegawa Catalog, and it's an RF-4G of JSDAF.
>
                 Ireneusz Jakobik, Szczecin University - Poland
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From: mcdermot@itd.nrl.navy.mil (John McDermott,119,7673770,)
Subject: SCRIBER FOR RECESSED PANEL LINES
Reply-To: mcdermot@itd.nrl.navy.mil
Organization: Information Technology Division, Naval Research Laboratory
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 20:45:56 GMT

Can anyone comment on the effectiveness of the scribers sold for cutting
recessed panel lines? I have seen them for sale by MicroMark and Squadron. Has
anyone tried them or is there an equally effective alternative (besides buying
only those kits that already have recessed panel lines)?


John McDermott
From: waldrop@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Acrylics
Date: 31 Dec 92 09:43:34 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

Does anyone know if it is safe to use more than one brand of acrylic paint on
the same model? For example, Tamiya and Polly-S? Also, does anyone know of a
good silver or other metal color in acrylics?
Thanks,
Larry Waldrop
waldrop@ucbeh.san.uc.edu 
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From: Joe.Russ <Joe.Russ@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: Re: On posting for sales & etc.
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:08:03 GMT


>3. Is there any interest in a scale conversion utility for the
>Macintosh? I have one in the works that I am programming and want to
 
There is one available, at least for the popular model railroading
scales. It's called Conversion which will cover everything from Z
through G scales along with a number of other weights and measures. I
got it from a the local Mac users group disk of the month. I believe
it's freeware.
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