HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Rose Bowl (Was: Why Michigan Sucks)
Organization: American Math. Society
	<1992Nov18.231724.11186@guinness.idbsu.edu>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:46:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.231724.11186@guinness.idbsu.edu> betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) writes:

   >Last year I graciously offered UofM fans a wish of good luck after
   >beating my beloved TOSU Buckeyes for the trip to Pasedena.  I will
   >wish UofM luck again, although this time, you are REALLY going to
   >need it against Washington.

Why?  I thought the consensus of opinion was that Washington was
somewhat weaker this year, and that Michigan was somewhat stronger.
But then again, I think Michigan will win the Rose Bowl after losing
to TOSU, so I must be crazy anyhow.

By the way, I've taken the liberty of changing the inaccurate title of
this thread.



-Alan Harder
 American Mathematical SOciety
 Michigan Fan
 Drinker of Anchor Steam 


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jay@puppsr12.Princeton.EDU (Jay Shrauner)
Subject: Re: Bowl Matchups
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:58:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.001547.17083@den.mmc.com> kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.173158.29364@asuvax.eas.asu.edu> kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy) writes:
>>jay@puppsr12.Princeton.EDU (Jay Shrauner) writes:
>>> 5.  Fiesta Bowl--Notre Dame(7)/
>>> 
> After Arizona's loss to USC, the Trojans are the other
>contender for a bid to Tempe -- they're favored to beat UCLA and finish
>second in the conference, right?  If they also go on to beat Notre Dame,
>I wouldn't be surprised to see them leapfrog Colorado in the standings,
>and send Colorado elsewhere (Blockbuster/Gator/Hancock).
>

That could happen, but PAC-10 wise, USC is only favored to finish tied
with Stanford for 2nd, and Stanford beat them head to head plus will
probably have a better over-all record.

Jay Shrauner
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From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: AP make FSU #3
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:38:14 GMT

edward.lor (lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com) wrote:
: BTW, how come you never talk about Purdue in the r.s.f.college? Did you
: graduate?

Do you really need to ask *both* those questions together???  :^)
-- 
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From: zjsg12@hou.amoco.com (Jeffry S. Gracey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Fight songs
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:34:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: hou.1992Nov18.193459.14120
Reply-To: zjsg12@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco

An Aggie line to TEXAS FIGHT that I heard in school:


Texas Bites ! Texas Bites !
Texas Jumps up and bites my a--.	

(repeated with Texas Fights) 

and finally:

Suck it horns ! Suck it horns ! Suck my d---.
Texas Jumps up and bites my a--.
From: tunal@mizar.usc.edu (Tamer Unal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Projected bowl matchups
Date: 18 Nov 1992 15:34:32 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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subhas@charon.rutgers.edu (Subhasish Roy Choudhury) writes:


>   BOWL                 TEAM       vs.       TEAM

>4. Freedom           USC           vs.     Indiana
>                  (P10 No. 3)            (At large)

>7. John Hancock   Texas/Baylor     vs.     Arizona
>                  (SWC No. 2)            (At large)
>                  (No. 3 Coalition II)
>8. Gator          Georgia          vs.     Stanford
>                  (SEC No. 3)            (P10 No. 2)
>                                         (No. 1 Coalition II)

Thanks for the post...

It is quite possible  that Cal may beat Stanford, and USC may win
over UCLA thus making them 2nd in the Pac 10. Of course it would be
even sweeter to knock out ND after they get invited to whichever
Jan 1 game...

Geaux Treauxjans!
Beat Westwood High

PS: USC is favored by 8.5 over UCLA and Stanford only by 2.5 over Cal

Geaux Bearz too! :-)


>Subhasish Roy
-- 
Serdar Boztas
posting from someone else's account with their permission
normally at serdar@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au
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From: Patrick E Fleming <pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Division III pairings
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:56:17 GMT


Here are the first round match-ups for the NCAA Division III tourney:

        Mount Union (10-0) at Dayton (10-0)
        Aurora (9-0) at Illinois Wesleyan (9-0)
        Carleton (9-1) at Central Iowa (9-0)
        Redlands (8-1) at Wis.-La Crosse (8-0-1)
        Thomas More (9-1) at Emory & Henry (10-0)
        Washington & Jefferson (8-1) at Lycoming (8-0-1)
        Worcester Tech (9-1) at Rowan (10-0)
        Buffalo St. (7-2) at Ithaca (9-1)

--

- Patrick E. Fleming ----------------------------------------------------------
- Department of Chemistry ----------- Sometimes I see me as an old manatee ----
- Ohio Wesleyan University ---------- Heading south as the waters grow colder -
- pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ------------------------------------------
From: tweedy8432@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Northern Iowa moves to 9-1
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:32:26 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

UNI 37, Western Illinois 6

This one isn't too complicated.  The UNI defense put forth an OUTSTANDING
effort to completely shut down the very dangerous passing game of Western.
WIU had been averaging over 30 points per game, but couldn't get across
mid-field until late in the 3rd quarter, and only twice during the entire 
game.  UNI's 2nd string gave up a TD with two minutes left in the game, 
slightly spoiling a tremendous defensive game for the Panthers.

Other good news is that the offense seems to have returned.  After a couple
of dismal weekends, UNI racked up 400+ yards, mostly through the air.
Kenny Shedd had another good game with 2 receptions for 122 yards (one was
an 80-yard TD) and an OUTSTANDING 65-yard punt return.  Tight End Chris Nuss
caught 6 passes and Tim Mosely snagged a 46-yard TD pass.  (Gotta love that 
wind in the DOME!)

The loss knocked Western Illinois out of any playoff hopes as they end the
year at 7-4 and 3rd in the Gateway Conference.

The win sets up another confrontation with the Southwest Missouri State Bears.
For the last four years, the winner of this game has won or shared the 
conference title.  The same will be true this year as both enter the game 
with 4-1 conference marks. Southwest needs to win to get the automatic bid
to the playoffs. They'll have problems getting an at-large bid.  UNI would
still make the playoffs if they lose, but they certainly won't concede the
conference championship to Southwest.  Many players have expressed their
concern that the Gateway Championship comes first, then the playoffs.  I
don't look for a letdown in front of a sell-out in the UNI-DOME.

Chris Tweedy
University of Northern Iowa

"No Mom, I'm pretty sure I'll graduate THIS semester."

CONGRATS to the Iowa State Cyclones and their domination of Nebraska!!!
Let's hope this gets the critics off of Walden's back for a while.


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From: htuttle@nyx.cs.du.edu (Harry Tuttle)
Subject: Re: Excessive Celebration Penalty
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 18:50:14 GMT

In article <_bD=bq@engin.umich.edu> hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang) w
ites:
>In article <gf1Q5tO00iV384SUkn@andrew.cmu.edu> wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Wil
iam Karamo Motley) writes:
>>Who saw that Notre Dame game today?  I think that the NCAA should eithe

>>be much, much more lenient when they call that excessive celebration
>>penalty, or get rid of that call completely.  When you win in the type
>>of manner Notre Dame did today, you have every right to go beserk and
>>act bananas.  For Christ's sake, they're college kids.  Even pros
>>celebrate.  Remember when the Colts beat the Dolphins this year?  
>>
>>Will
>
>
>Yep, especially when ND got humilated in the last 2 years against PennSa
e!
>(the 1st of the two losts kicked ND out of MNC, when ND was ranked #1)
>
>
>- Louis
>
>



Gee, Louis, you're posting from the University of Michigan.
Too bad your team sucks.  No more national championship dreams for them.

Yes, Penn State may have beaten ND twice before, but they didn't this
year.  Gee, I recall ND kicking Michigan all over the field for a 
couple of years there, but you don't hear me rubbing it in, do you?

Oops, I guess I am.

"Hail to those motherf*****s,
 Hail to those big c**ksuckers,
 Hail, Hail to Michigan, the a**holes of the world."

Harry Tuttle
From: ctraynor@cs.utexas.edu (Christian J. Traynor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Texas 35 SMU 14
Date: 17 Nov 1992 09:35:53 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: usa
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In article <1992Nov16.225317.14349@chpc.utexas.edu> boisseau@chpc.utexas.edu (John R. Boisseau (Jay)) writes:


>>	Where is the Baylor-UT game to be played?
>
>Oops! I though for sure I remembered to mention that in my list of reason
>Baylor could very well ruin Texas's season this Saturday. It is Grant
>Teaff's last game, and is AT BAYLOR. The fans will be beserk (well, as
>beserk as a bunch a students at a school that doesn't even allow dancing
>on campus can get! ;-) )
>
>
>Jay
>-- 

Jay, seems to me that when I went to the Baylor-Texas game in Waco in 1990, 
there were more Texas fans than Baylor fans.  In fact I believe that is the 
case in all our conference away games except a&m.  If this continues to be
the case this year ( and it might since this game means something for Texas
other than just pride) then I don't think the Baylor fans can have that 
much of an impact.
From: jac1@ra.msstate.edu (Jennifer Cox)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Roll Tide down the Polls!
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:45:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: Isis.jac1.721881957
Organization: Mississippi State University

harbinjm@infonode.ingr.com (Mitch Harbin) writes:

>No, I saw it in person, and you folks were green around the gills for the first
>half and the fourth quarter.  Yes you did well with the wind in the third and
>when BAMA tried the finesse stuff, (reverses and  such).  But then in the
>fourth, we got back to smash mouth football and kicked your ass 10 points to
>zip.  Ain't no luck to it bub, we make our breaks.  But then you folks should
>have expected it since we kick your ass every year anyway.  Just sour grapes.
>At least Jackie is pulling for us (I listened to his postgame show on the way
>home) and at least he has some class.

If Bama has really played up to the #2 ranking it has it would have
beat State's pants off.  The fact that MSU came within 9 says that
Bama isn't as good as they think.  I mean hell...we did get beat
by LSU and South Carolina.

>One quarter does not a footbal game make.  And I think Mr. Curry held is own
>against a big mouth pop off.  James was right about some unfinished business
>from last year and we finished it off last night very well.  By the way I
>saw your freshman (under a pile of white shirts several times) and he did'nt
>last long.

Yes and I do believe I saw Mr. Barker under a pile of Maroon Jerseys
quite a few times also.  

>Just sour grapes. Coach Sherrill, now that's a man with class, pulling for the
>conference.  Maybe he will go to a class school after this year.

What are you so bitter about?  I think MSU has alot of class.  I mean
we went out and played hard just like your boys.  Ya'll just
played a little better that is all.  Anyway.  At least Sherril has
class enough to praise people that win over his team.  I don't
think you possess that same class.
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From: gtao@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Greg )
Subject: Re: fichigan fumbles
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:29:48 GMT

ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:

>In article <1992Nov15.002637.17707@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (|J| Exby) writes:

>   >I got two words for ya fichigan folk:
>   >national championship.

>   >WRONG!

>   >Sure made this illini alum happy to at least kick the wolves
>   >out of the national championship lottery...
>   >makes amends for some rather pathetic games this year.

>   >c'mon buckeys, do it to em next.  fichigan blows.

>   >::j


>Don't listen to him, people.  He's just an anti-Michigan stooge.
>Exby's anti-Michigan sentiments are well-know on the net, so take
>anything he posts about Michigan with a truckload of salt.  That'll
>make the truckload of bullshit taste better.

If you are insinuating that Michigan has a prayer at a national championship
this year, you are even more naive than you are rude and arrogant.
 

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From: mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak)
Subject: Re: Excessive Celebration Penalty
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:59:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.194508.1732@spss.com> nichols@spss.com (David Nichols) writes:
>>Oh, please.  Don't get me started on this.  Your comment appeared reasonable
>>until I read this sentence.  Any
>>Notre Dame fan will tell you that ND has gotten the benefit of many bad
>>calls, but they also have many go against them.  In fact, I think refs
>>call games differently when ND is playing.  They rarely call certain penalties
>>against Irish opponents, and could it be that
>>subconsciously they are concerned about making calls in ND's favor, and
>>therefore often bend too far the other way?  Again and again over the last
>>several years I have seen blatant holds against the Irish go uncalled.
>>This is less obvious than a bad call on a fumble or sideline call late in
>>the game that the networks show over and over on replay, but it can still
>>have a huge impact on the game.  Overall, I think the officiating over the
>>(very) long term comes out about even (although I do think the refs should
>>call at least the blatant holds by ND's opponents).
>>
>>Do you really think the refs would have made the same call in Saturday's
>>game if the roles were reversed, and the game were at Penn State?  I wonder.
>
>Yes, I think that call would have been made anywhere, at any time. If you
>have the thing on tape, go back and time how long it took to clear the
>field. That's not going to get past any officials under any circumstances.
>
>I will say that the only team I've seen that even approaches Notre Dame
>in terms of consistency of referee favoritism is Penn State, but only when
>playing at home. Notre Dame gets referee blessings at home and on the road.
>

Notre Dame does not get referee blessings any more than anyone else.  The
refs for their games usually come from some conference like the SEC, ACC,
or whatever, and these guys have absolutely no reason to show them
favoritism.  In fact, if ND gets so many gifts from the refs, why was
that penalty called at all?  I've seen so many plays where the refs
blew it in the ND opponent's favor, that I must conclude that your
assertion is based on ND-hate, not on seeing very many ND games.

>--
> David Nichols        Senior Statistical Support Specialist         SPSS, Inc.
> Phone: (312) 329-3684     Internet:  nichols@spss.com     Fax: (312) 329-3657
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From: rick@seminole.b30.ingr.com (Rick Hopkins)
Subject: FSU's uniforms
Reply-To: rick@seminole.b30.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:48:20 GMT

I caught a few highlights from the FSU - Tulane game on ESPN.  Where did 
those ugly Garnet and Garnet uniforms come from.  I think they make FSU 
look like a Division III team.  They're almost as ugly as Kansas' blue on 
blue uniforms.

rick "Garnet and Gold" hopkins
rick@seminole.b30.ingr.com

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From: dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown)
Subject: Re: Penn State Should Withdraw
Organization: University of Miami, School Of Medicine
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:46:54 GMT

In article <168A2A8EA.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com> JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>This posting is for all the Penn State assholes who said last year that
			     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Do we really need this antagonism on the net?

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From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: fsu!
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:05:07 GMT

Orin Day (oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov) wrote:
: But seriously, Duke and Tulane sucked.  Even though Duke's
: record vs. the SWC is 7-1.  Sounds pretty weak to me.  Even
: though I like A&M.

Hmmm, of the eight teams Duke played from the SWC this year, which
one beat them?  Does this mean that Duke is going to the Cotton Bowl?
How can Duke play in the ACC and still have enough room on their
schedule for a full SWC slate?

Oh, I see.  You mean lifetime.  Well, that certainly bears quite
a lot to this season...
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From: stassen@alc.com (Chris Stassen)
Subject: Re: TEXAS aTm - got screwed
Organization: The Lion's Den, San Jose
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:17:50 GMT

Kevin J. Wingfield writes:
> The Ags, also defeated Houston handidly, which manhandled Illinois,
> who also tied Michigan and who also ripped Ohio State --- the top
> two teams in the Big Ten.

The "transitive law of football" *and* "desperate distortion of actual
results."  Both in one sentence.  You oughta be proud of yourself.

> So Lee, you AP voters, and FSU leeches, that this to heart

Th' words of LEE CORSO are input to every POWER RATING system in the
COUNTRY.  It's all part of th' CONSPIRACY to undervalue th' AGGIE,
run by th' EAST COAST MEDIA.

Are we having fun yet?

	Sagarin:	Texas A&M #12
	Marsee:		Texas A&M #20
	Schmidt:	Texas A&M #14
	Dendy:		Texas A&M # 7

You should be happy that the pollsters are *already* giving an 
unblemished record more consideration than it probably deserves
(when considering the quality of the opposition and the decisiveness
of the games).
--
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From: scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn)
Subject: Hail to Those Motherf***ers...
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:55:22 GMT

  Mike Doel asks:
>Any former TBDBITL members wish to post the alternate lyrics to Hail to the
>Victors or LeRegiment(sp)?

     Mike! Take back the request! Do you remember how many of the alternate 
lyrics are outside the bounds of political correctness!? We Buckeyes will get 
flamed to no end if our horribly redneck verses are posted!
     OK, OK, I'll put the two I remember up:

     Hail to those motherf***ers!
     Hail to those big ****suckers!
     Hail, Hail to Michigan!
     The cesspool of the world!

     Hail to those intellectuals!
     Hail to those homosexuals!    ( <- see what I mean!)
     Hail, hail to Michigan
     The cesspool of the world

     There are several other versions I've heard but can't remember.
     Also, we have:

     We don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan
     The whole state of Michigan
     The whole state of Michigan
     We don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan
     We're from O-hi-o
     We're from O-hi-o (O! H!)
     We're from O-hi-o (I! O!)
     We don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan
     Unless Cooper loses, then he's fired

     (Actually, I made up that last verse, but it expresses the mood a lot 
better than the final "We're from O-hi-o" does :-) )

     Happy singing!

                                        Steve
///
-- 
    Steve Casburn (scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)
    They gave me differential calculus, and I said "Hit me again"
    So they gave me integral calculus, and I said "Hit me again"
    Now I have vector calculus, and...I'm starting to lose consciousness...
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From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Subject: Re: The NCAA Applies its Double Standard Again
Keywords: nn
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:45:40 GMT



>>First, I seem to remember Kevin Murray driving around in a 280ZX registered to
>>or leased by Bum Bright.  Second, SMU was never nailed by the NCAA for hiring
>
>bzzzzt!  Guess again..  Kevin Murray purchased that car from the $30k signing
>bonus when he signed to pitch baseball professionally.  This was in and out
> of the papers until he finally sold the stupid thing.

Perhaps you could refresh my memory on why Gerry Oher of Channel 8 in Dallas 
broke this story and showed documents that tied the purchase of the car to
Bum Bright.

>>sorority girls to "treat" recruits.  That's a rumor that came out of that whole
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>not according to the DMN.  Listed in the 80+ violations against SMU
>were $400/weekend/sorority girl.

This is complete BS.  This alleged sorority girl thing was never a formal 
charge.  The DMN, in interviewing for one of their pieces quoted recruits as
saying that it was understood that there would be sorority girls who would 
give "special treatments" during a recruits' visit.  No dollar figure was 
discussed, and there was no proof of any of it.

GT
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