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From: dean@vexcel.com (Dean Alaska)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Sleep Dirt
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:09:50 GMT
Organization: VEXCEL Corporation, Boulder CO

In article <1992Sep29.092726.14539@cs.com> larry@cs.com (Larry Spence) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.171355.2738@vexcel.com> dean@vexcel.com (Dean Alaska) writes:
>>
>>Keep in mind that Sleep Dirt was one of the Warner records that was
>>mixed by Warner people without FZ's input. 
>
>Did they really get the multitracks and remix it?  I always got the
>impression that Warners had released incomplete rough stereo mixes that had
>been done by FZ.  
>
They didn't _get_ the multitracks.  They own them.  Physically and legally.
Thats how normal recording contracts work.
>-- 
>Larry Spence
>larry@cs.com
>uunet!csccat!larry 

Some of the stuff on the Warner records (Sleep Dirt, Studio Tan & Orchestral
Favorites) was scheduled for release on Lather/Leather/Crush All Boxes
(or whatever).  I think these mixes were from FZ.  Other songs were pulled
from masters at the studio and mixed by them.  These songs may have
never been mixed down yet because FZ either wasn't ready to, or wasn't
going to, release them. Thats how I have heard it.  Anyone heard it
different?
-- 

		dingo in boulder	(dean@vexcel.com)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: krmorrow@vax1.tcd.ie
Subject: cancertubes
Organization: Trinity College Dublin
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:45:27 GMT

Frank has cancer of the prostrate, I read it in the 
Independent.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: chuck@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Mark Andrew Hawling)
Subject: Re: Sleep Dirt
Keywords: fingers, stuck
Reply-To: chuck@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Mark Andrew Hawling)
Organization: none
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:27:35 GMT

In article <gq25RB2w165w@bluemoon.rn.com> buzzsaw@bluemoon.rn.com (Patrick Buzby) writes:
>chuck@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Mark Andrew Hawling) writes:
>
>> In article <1992Oct2.205508.17497@cs.com> larry@cs.com (Larry Spence) writes:
>> >In article <RABIN.92Oct1204618@nuthatch.CS.Yale.Edu> rabin-dan@cs.yale.edu w
>> >>This might be a good place to post a recollection I have about a Zappa
>> >>interview from about the time of `Sleep Dirt' (+/- 2 years). 
>> >
>> >
>> >He definitely had/has the gtr with neck pickups, I don't recall if
>> >it was used on those tracks.  I always liked the fretless guitar on
>> >"San Berdino" -- are there any other Zappa tunes using that guitar?
>> >
>> "Down In the Dew" uses the fretless for the whole tune.
>> 
>> Mark
>
>  How did you hear "Down In The Dew"?  If I'm not mistaken, this song was 
>part of the planned 'Lather' box set and has yet to be released on any 
>official album.  If you managed to get a bootleg copy of 'Lather', I'd be 
>curious to hear what the music is like, since it has a few other non-album 
>tracks ("Duck Duck Goose," "Lather," and early versions of several 
>late-70's Zappa songs).
>
>     Pat Buzby           "Fried ice cream is a reality!"-George Clinton
>     Grove City, OH      "Music is the best."-Frank Zappa


It is has been released on several things including Lather, leatherette. 
It has also appeared officially on "The Guitar World according to FZ" cassette,
which was also bootleged as "Guitar Hernia". 

I know someone  who bought the Lather Box (I didn't because I'm in Australia,
and it cost something like $120), and thats where I have heard it but I only
own a awful tape by now. Still most of this stuff is easy to find nowdays
(well at least down here) because of the release of all the Warner Brothers
rip-off albums on CD finally, so Leatherette is appearing going fairly cheap.


Mark



Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Date: Sat,  3 Oct 1992 02:16:47 -0400 
From: Brian William Carroll <bc2u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Yellow Shark?

  Does anybody know if Yellow Shark is going to be performed in the U.S.
and if so, what cities?

Brian 

Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk (Paul Mather)
Subject: Re: Fillmore East---Is "Willie The Pimp, Part 2" *really* omitted on CD?
Organization: Centre for Applied Obfuscation.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:33:44 GMT
X-Posted-From: sol.sees.bangor.ac.uk
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fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller) writes:
> In <RABIN.92Sep30105421@epic.CS.Yale.Edu> rabin@CS.Yale.Edu (Dan Rabin) writes:
> 
> >Paul Mather speculates that the omission of `Willie the Pimp, Part 2'
> >from the CD version of `Live at the Fillmore East' is just a matter of
> >labeling.  
> 
> >It is not.  The music is not physically present on the CD.  The
> >fuzz-tone guitar solo from the LP is missing, and there is a break in
> >the music before the next song, which there isn't on the LP.  The
> >printed timings are a lie.

Well I'm glad that's been cleared up.  I did sorta suspect the CD timings,
especially since the "Willie The Pimp, Part 1" CD track includes a
goodly slice of "Latex Solar Beef" at the start.

> Mather also suggested that I "just listen to the LP"  I'm sorry, but I
> don't feel like going to the antique shop to purchase it and the requisite
> turntable.

Well Heller, it looks like you'll have to keep on moaning then... ;-)

Now that I know for sure that the LP has extra material on it, perhaps
I should schlepp down to my local antique dealer (record shop) and pick
it up?  Have to be careful it doesn't crumble into dust in my hands
though. :-)

Cheers,

Paul.

PS: One of these days I MUST get myself a CD player.  I'm getting sick
having to tape my FZ CDs on other people's players just so I can listen
to them when I want. :-(

-- 
e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk

If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: rabin@CS.Yale.Edu (Dan Rabin)
Subject: Re: Sleep Dirt
Reply-To: rabin-dan@cs.yale.edu
Organization: Computer Science, Yale University, New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:46:18 GMT

This might be a good place to post a recollection I have about a Zappa
interview from about the time of `Sleep Dirt' (+/- 2 years).  He said
that somebody had built him an electronic gizmo that took a single
note from the guitar and played a chord based on that note.  I believe
that the chord stuff in `The Ocean is the Ultimate Solution' fits the
description of the action of this gizmo.

I also recall that he said he had a guitar with pickups in the neck
for playing behind the fretting finger, and that parts of the `Inca
Roads' solo on `One Size Fits All' were played this way.

Can anyone confirm these recollections?

  -- Dan Rabin (rabin-dan@cs.yale.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: bdowning@mary.fordham.edu (Brian Downing)
Subject: Re: Sleep Dirt
Organization: Fordham University
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 07:31:00 GMT
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In article <RABIN.92Oct1204618@nuthatch.CS.Yale.Edu>, rabin-dan@cs.yale.edu writes...
>This might be a good place to post a recollection I have about a Zappa
>interview from about the time of `Sleep Dirt' (+/- 2 years).  He said
>that somebody had built him an electronic gizmo that took a single
>note from the guitar and played a chord based on that note.  I believe
>that the chord stuff in `The Ocean is the Ultimate Solution' fits the
>description of the action of this gizmo.
> 
>I also recall that he said he had a guitar with pickups in the neck
>for playing behind the fretting finger, and that parts of the `Inca
>Roads' solo on `One Size Fits All' were played this way.
> 
>Can anyone confirm these recollections?
> 
>  -- Dan Rabin (rabin-dan@cs.yale.edu)

 I can't confirm the first but I do remember reading an entire article
on FZ's guitar. There are Marcus Berry pickups inlaid into the
fretboard and I believe he's used them for quite a while now. They
seem to allow a much faster sequence of notes tp be played (the speed
of the left hand alone compared to having to coordinate it with the
picking of the right) and it seems to produce a softer note (less
bite). 

brian downing bdowning@mary.fordham.edu fordham university new york city
Yow!  I'm having a quadrophonic sensation of two winos
 alone in a steel mill!
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: rabin@CS.Yale.Edu (Dan Rabin)
Subject: Re: Fillmore East---Is "Willie The Pimp, Part 2" *really* omitted on CD?
Reply-To: rabin-dan@cs.yale.edu
Organization: Computer Science, Yale University, New Haven, CT 06520-2158
	<1992Sep30.144646@sees.bangor.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 10:54:21 GMT

Paul Mather speculates that the omission of `Willie the Pimp, Part 2'
from the CD version of `Live at the Fillmore East' is just a matter of
labeling.  

It is not.  The music is not physically present on the CD.  The
fuzz-tone guitar solo from the LP is missing, and there is a break in
the music before the next song, which there isn't on the LP.  The
printed timings are a lie.

This is a major disappointment to me, as I was looking forward to a CD
with the concert's continuity restored.  

  -- Dan Rabin (rabin-dan@cs.yale.edu)
From: sweet@skat.usc.edu (Rob Sweet)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Playground Psychotics
Date: 1 Oct 1992 10:11:26 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu
Keywords: new release

In article <1992Oct1.164706@sees.bangor.ac.uk> mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk (Paul Mather) writes:
>Just got a flyer today from a major UK Zappa dealer.  In it are details
>of the new _Playground Psychotics_ 2CD which they say will be "in yer
>door Oct 12."
>
>The track listings are:

	[ titles deleted ]

>Zanti Serenade
 ^^^^^

	I knew it!  Frank Zappa is an Outer Limits Freak!

Rob Sweet       sweet@skat.usc.edu

"If the first step in a long journey is the most difficult, what is 
the NeXTStep?"  -  RS
From: ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk (R Clement)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Movie Recommendations....
Keywords: zappa movies
Date: 27 Sep 92 13:06:33 GMT
Organization: The University of Leeds, School of Computer Studies

In article <62JPRB1w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> jfreund@mindvox.phantom.com (Jim Freund) writes:

>200 Motels is where it's at.  Accept no substitutes (including Baby Snakes).
>
>Are you sure that video is 200 Motels, the movie itself?  I've never seen
>it available, though I recall seeing a video >about< 200 Motels.  (The
>real thing stars Ringo Starr (as an ersatz Zappa), Throdore Bikel and
>Keith Moon, among others.

This video (200 Motels) is very easily available in the UK. Even the local
(Leeds) Virgin store had one, and I picked it up at Tower Records in Picadilly
Square.

I've also seen "The Making of ..."

Cheers,

Ross-c
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: creilly@vax1.tcd.ie
Subject: re: cancertubes
Organization: Trinity College Dublin
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:53:45 GMT

actually, it's prostate
From: mike@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (Cosmik Debris)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Sleep Dirt
Keywords: fingers, stuck
Date: 4 Oct 92 23:01:28 GMT
 <RABIN.92Oct1204618@nuthatch.CS.Yale.Edu> <1992Oct2.205508.17497@cs.com>
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Canterbury, New Zealand

In article <1992Oct2.205508.17497@cs.com>, larry@cs.com (Larry Spence) writes: 
> He definitely had/has the gtr with neck pickups, I don't recall if
> it was used on those tracks.  I always liked the fretless guitar on
> "San Berdino" -- are there any other Zappa tunes using that guitar?
> 
> -- 
> Larry Spence
> larry@cs.com
> uunet!csccat!larry 

The album "One Size Fits All" has a couple of tunes played on the fretless.
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: jfreund@mindvox.phantom.com (Jim Freund)
Subject: Re: Newspaper Review of Yellow Shark
Organization: [Phantom Access] / the MindVox system
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 01:54:46 GMT

You mention the opera was broadcast live on German TV -- does a tape exist
of this?

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From: cjohnson@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Carl A. Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Knowledge is power...
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:34:44 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Originator: cjohnson@rodan.acs.syr.edu


	You know, after observing this post for three weeks, and posting to
it twice, there is one thing that still baffles me...

		How can most of the people who post here possibly justify
their postings?  I mean, 4 out of 5 people in this group (at least, who post)
simply do not have a large base knowledge of Piers Anthony.  This, to me and
I am sure others, seems rather ironic since this IS alt.FAN.piers-anthony.
Notice the emphasis on the word:  FAN.  

	Why complain without proffering a solution?  Well, here's a solution:
every one in this newsgroup go out and buy yourselves a copy of Bio of an Ogre.
Then, yes, call 1-800-HI-PIERS and subscribe to the newsletter.  Then, read
any and all author's notes that you many have skipped in the past.  You see, 
very simple to do yet for some reason this seems a large task to some.  By the
way, Carlos, I have been a subscriber to the newsletter since no.1.  So, I
know about HI-PIERS.  

	There has already been other comments about the lack of PA knowledge
w/in the PA fan group.  I am not alone on this issue.  

	Come on Piers fans, lets get with the show... do some homework.

	By the way Battle Circle IS truly awesome.  Hey, does ANYONE out there
know anything about those 5 karate books w/ Fuentes (where to aquire)?  Don't
even consider mentioning Booksearch... I know about that.

	Well, that's all the steam being blown today...  Later, people.

				Carl, Ogre in Training...

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From: ueh@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Eric Hausgaard)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Re: fractal mode
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:21:46 GMT
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology

In article <Sep.29.23.22.42.1992.13541@remus.rutgers.edu> ledzian@remus.rutgers.edu (LEDZIAN) writes:
>
>Does anyone know when the sequal to Virtual Mode, Fractal Mode, is
>going to be released if at all?
FRACTAL MODE is already out, it was good like Virtual Mode, (If you liked one, 
you'll like the other...) The next in the series is Chaos Mode....

Check your local Waldenbooks....
A


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From: seedman@iastate.edu (Williams, Remo Williams)
Subject: Re: IMHO??
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:53:40 GMT

In <1992Sep30.113845.20935@rchland.ibm.com> kolb@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Branden Kolb) writes:

>I = In
>M = My
>H = Humble
>O = Opinion

IMHO, IMHO stands for the same as above but the H stands for "Honest".

						-=- seedman

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From: cjohnson@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Carl A. Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: The best PA has to offer...
Keywords: Incarnations, Fuentes, Macroscope
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:57:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Originator: cjohnson@rodan.acs.syr.edu



	Hello everyone!  This is my first posting to a newsgroup anywhere,
anytime, anyhow, etc...

	I know the best...

	PA's best series is, of course, the Incarnations of Immortality.
No other series produced by the great one or anyone else can ever compare.
The power and raw emotion that is fed into those novels is amazing.  There
is no substitute.

	Now, who was complaning about too much sex in the last two books...
Every iota of foreplay/intercourse/afterglow pertained to the story and 
contributed to the overall effect.  I will however digress and admit that PA
occationally goes overboard on detail (Actually describing defication/urination
in the Mode Series).

	Has everyone read Macroscope???  Please do!  It is the pinnacle of 
PA's Science Fiction writing.  Because he writes very little PURE Science
Fiction, that is not saying much...  Nonetheless, it is a very good book.  
Read it.

	I own all of PA's books, most of them in HC & PB, except...

			The books he wrote early in his career with Roberto
Fuentes.  They are about karate and there are 5 books in the series.  Anyone,
with the knowlege, let me in.

	By the way, does everyone know about PA & Fuentes' newest?  If not, 
I'll inform later...

					-Carl-

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From: rsimmons@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Bass)
Subject: BattleCircle
Originator: rsimmons@napier.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 23:11:07 GMT


      I've been reading this newsgroup for a couple of weeks now and one thing
I've determined is that most people feel that PA's books get worse after the
first three.  I still think that all of his books are good, but they do tend
to get a little repetitive or lose a bit of quality.

      However, BattleCircle is different for this reason:

		PA kept this trilogy down to THREE books!!

      Not only this, but it is an excellent series.  If you haven't read it, I
suggest that you do.  It's set in a post-nuclear era and is simply superb.  If
you have read it, I'd like to see your opinions on the net.         

      This is the only three book trilogy I've seen by PA but would like to 
know if there are any others out there.  I'm sure others would too.


	They call me Bass.
From: jgostin@eternal.chi.il.us (Jeff Gostin)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Re: IMHO??
Date: 3 Oct 92 14:35:46 GMT
Organization: The little node that could...

C09615DK@wuvmd.wustl.edu writes:

> What is IMHO?? I've seen it somewhere else, and I'm not even sure that it's a
> But someone please tell me anyway.  Thanx.
IMHO is net-speak for "In My Humble Opinion"

                                   Jeff

...From a tiny little node called Eternal!
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Date: Sunday, 27 Sep 1992 20:35:34 EDT
From: <IO20393@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Re: Incarnations

I have to agree that there was too much emphasis on sex in the Incarnation
series, (and in fact, most of Anthony's books)  but the series was one of the
best I've ever read. (including Xanth)  It was very specific and hada
definateending point.  That is one of my problems with Xanth.  Great books,
but there will never (at least it's highly unlikely) be a grand finale.
I've been reading other postings on this group, and it seems that most of us
agree...the Xanth novels are deteriorating.   TCOHP was fair, but cheesy.
Anyone else agree?  I tend to like Anthony's more "serious" (if there
is such a thing) books, instead of the ones (like TCOHP) that go for the
obvious pun or titillation.

amy rae

*Great spirits have always met violent opposition from mediocre minds.*
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
From: cclark@trentu.ca (J. Chris Clark)
Subject: Trilogies...
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Organization: Trent University Computer Services Department
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:32:00 GMT

Well, you've remebered the Ox-Orn-Omnivore series, and the Tarot series,
but I haven't see anyone mention The Cluster-Viscious Circle-(can't recall
the third one).  I never actually read this series, so I'm not sure what the
order is, or if it was an "official trilogy".  
BING!  "Chaining the Lady" was the third one, I believe.  Anyway, these are 
older books, dating to at least the Omnivore/Tarot era.

Just thought I'd show off what reader (not die-hard fan) can recall.  :)

Chris

flames > /dev/null

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From: cjohnson@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Carl A. Johnson)
Subject: Fractal Mode
Originator: cjohnson@rodan.acs.syr.edu
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 11:01:22 EDT


LEDZIAN (?) Writes:
>From: ledzian@remus.rutgers.edu (LEDZIAN)
>Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
>Subject: fractal mode
>Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
>
>
>Does anyone know when the sequal to Virtual Mode, Fractal Mode, is
>going to be released if at all?
>

	Fractal Mode is and HAS BEEN released in Hardcover since July of this
year!  Because it usually takes a year for a book to go from HC to PB, look
for Fractal Mode in PB sometime next summer.
	Ask your local bookseller, it is possible that they are just plain
out of stock.  Most places will happily order your book and have it for you
within a week free of excess charge.
	I am originally from New Hampsire, so I have no doubt that if we had
it, you will have it too.

						-Carl-
					(Ogre in Training!!!)

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From: E.A.Kendrick@bradford.ac.uk (EA KENDRICK)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Re: IMHO??
Date: 30 Sep 92 11:38:32 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 91730762@ccw203

IMHO (In My Humble Opinion)

tara -


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