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From: kovar@world.std.com (David C Kovar)
Subject: Looking for western instruction in the Boston area
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: ne
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:52:30 GMT

  I'm looking around to see who teaches various forms of western riding
in the Boston area, particularly reining. If you know of any instructors
or trainers, I'd appreciate hearing from you. If you know people that
I should stay away from, I'd like to hear that as well. I know about
Bobby's Ranch (hi Karen!). This probably isn't for an immediate need,
I'm just seeing what my options are.

-David
From: dbwebe@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: re: mechanical hackamores
Date: 18 Aug 92 08:35:16 CST
Distribution: usa
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

In article <1992Aug18.084357.23619@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman) writes:
> In Article 8258 dbwebe@bb1t.monsanto.com writes:
> 
                 {stuff deleted}
> 
> 	WHOA! Hold it there, partner! Before you go attacking someone 
> personally 

> 		{stuff deleted}


	Tracy, partner, if you can't be open to others viewpoints 
	and observations within a constructive conversation without 
	considering them 'personal attacks', I think you need to chill.
        I'll post nothing further on this subject as you are obviously
	not interested in anyone elses input.


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From: AS.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon)
Subject: Re: Irish - small horse, so what ? (Re: more olympics)
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:52:22 GMT

>All those here who express astonishment or are pleased at the good performance
>of a small horse like Irish seem completely to forget the little bouncing
>rubber-ball Jappeloupe (I think that's the right spelling). Him being maybe
>15h (?). But he still won everything in site, maybe 6-8 years ago.
>
>Mike

And what about that mare, from Sweden?, that won the Bronze at L.A.
in 1984? She wasn't all that big either. Wasn't her name Jessica? Or
was that the rider?

Courting Alzheimer's,

-gwyn.gordon@forsythe.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: Catherine Rogers <rogers@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: ADVICE NEEDED ABOUT A SKIN CONDITION
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:37:56 -0500

In article <14152@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> jhelms@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Jill Helms) writes:
>
>I was wondering if anyone out there has seen a similar skin condition on their
>horse as Bliss is now exhibiting. 
>
>Within the past three weeks, my 4.5 yo Appendix horse has developed what appears
>to be some kind of a flaking skin condition.  The areas affected are on his neck
>and down to his chest.  They are generally smallish patches (about 4-5 cm in 
>diameter) and are characterized by a gray flaking on top of the coat.  There is
>no evidence of irritation of the skin, as far as I can tell.  When I try and curry
>it off (because I at first thought it to be something that he got into when turned
>out, like spider webs or a fungus), the large flakes disappear, but more comes up
>from under his coat. >
>Jill Helms
>jhelms@cephalo.bcm.tmc.edu 

This sounds very similar to  something my horse used to get,
especially in summer i think.  I believe my trainer said it
was a fungus, but i'm not positive.  He got it sometimes on his
neck and something simlar on his stomach where the hair is more
sparse, and there it would also scab up, presumably because the
flies were biting there and irritating it more.  The treatment for
both was very simple.  Keep petroleum jelly on the area until the
condition goes away.  The petroleum jelly keeps the dry flaky skin
supple so it won't crack and in addition keeps the flies off of it
so they won't irritate it.  I don't know if that's a cure or not
though.  You may be just treating the symptom, not letting it get
worse until it goes away.  It worked for us at any rate.

by the way,  i remember ear mites being a  big problem when the 
ears were clipped for shows especially.  If you rub a small amount
of baby oil on the inner surface of the ear (stay away from the ear
canal though )  before turning out the horse they are not a problem.
I don't know why this works (too slippery, tastes bad to bugs??)
but it definitely does!!  Of course clean out the ears well with
a soft cloth first.  This was a real problem for Kiowa (my horse)
because the mites would make his ears bleed and he really hated it.

cathy rogers
indiana university


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From: Mike.Hoffmann@sniap.mchp.sni.de (Mike Hoffmann)
Subject: Re: Equestrian out of Olympics??
Organization: Siemens-Nixdorf AG, AP 712
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 15:02:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.212433.2299@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> jlevy@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (janet.s.levy) writes:
>Is this the reason the announcer said that equestrian events were
>being considered for being dropped from the Olympics?  I was interested
>to hear the reasoning behind this.  Does anyone know the story behind
>this controversy?

No. This discussion has been going on for a long time. And the FEI with
the charming Princess Anne isn't really doing anything against it.
I can only speak about the situation in Germany, but the scandals - 
especially those around P. Schoeckemoehle - hurt eqeustrian sports a lot.

Non-riding people who would normally have wanted Eq. events in the Olympics,
just for pure pleasure or genereal interest, have turned around, because
they feel that it is enough that sports-people hurt themselves with doping,
at least the horses should be left alone.

I can almost understand that attitude. Although of course this would continue
wether at the Olympics or not.

This year was only the start, with the Jumping Finals for the first time
not taking part in the Stadium. They *said* it was because of the preparations
for the evening Closing Ceremony. IMHO, except for the quadrille of the
Spanish Policia, the show was the pits anyway.

But it is the most definite warning sign yet.

Only one day after  the Olympics Antonio "money-greedy slimebag" Samaranch
has stated that the professionalization (read: commercialization) will
continue and be expanded.

Thus we will see sports that only apply to a minor number of watchers on TV
will drop out and I would almost bet that others will appear that have no
place there. American Football? Yeah!
And all the time neede for commercials will cut down on the time left for
broadcasting sports as well, so let's cut some more.

I predict Olympics consisting of the 5 top-attendance sports. Soccer, Tennis,
US Football, Baseball & Athletics. 

Mike
-- 
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INTERNET: Mike.Hoffmann@sniap.mchp.sni.de
"Bosnia has no oil [as opposed to Kuwait]." (unknown citizen of Sarajevo)
From: regard@sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Hunt Seat Hand position
Date: 13 Aug 1992 13:14:44 -0700
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdde.sdd.hp.com

In article <1992Aug13.121729.3423@desire.wright.edu> sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
>
>I need some assistance from some of you 'hunt seat' people out there.
>
>are showing in hunt classes with their hands in the 'doggie paw' position,
>very low on the withers.  These people seem to be winning.  Since I am
>helping my girl friend's daughters with their riding, I was telling them
>to ride the way I have been trained.  Is this just a local thing?  Should
>I change my technique?


Ask some judges in the area.  They can tell you if the regional/local 
standards have changed, or have any say on this point.  Some things are just
taste, and tastes change.  Some things are written into the rule books.
Since the judges are making the judgements, they are the ones to answer
you with authority.

Adrienne Regard
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: alan_c@cix.compulink.co.uk (Alan Chapman)
Subject: Re: hunt seat equitation
Cc: alan_c@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: alan_c@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 00:45:44 +0000

du
 
Whilst on the subject of teaching/training one thing I've found
suprising (bearing in mind I work Fridays at one riding school whilst
having dressage lessons at another - purely due to the standard of
the available horses) is that it is only the 'advanced' students that
are taught to get horses on the bit and therebye having a light
contact with the horses mouth. I personaly (and this is the opinion
of a local freelance instructor) think that it is important that
everyone is taught to ride with th horse on the bit as soon asx they
are capable of understanding its importance.

Alan.

'pologies for the spelling I've just arrived home from  a barbeque
(150 miles form home) - the horses weren't invited )-:
From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold)
Subject: Re: Wing Chun style...help!
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 11:28:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.070938.8767@alw.nih.gov> drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury) writes:
>In article <10345@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:
>>A related subject, to open this up to other folks...
>>
>>From my current perspective, it looks as if most throwing techniques are
>>inherently circular in nature. Comments? Counter-examples? If so, and if
>>your style tends to be rather linear in nature, what role do throwing
>>techniques occupy in your system?
>
>I don't think of throws as inherently circular.  I think we tend
>to *practice* throws that way.  Big, extended, circular motions
>are easier to learn, and lots easier on training partners, so we
>mostly do throws that way in training and in sport forms.  But in
>combat, throws assume a much more linear aspect.  Or at least
>the circularity becomes very, very tight.  In a real fight, I am
>not throwing just to make my opponent lie down.  Sometimes that's
>all you can manage, but it leaves you facing a groundfight with
>no particular advantage.  No, what I want to do is drive my
>opponent's head (or some other vulnerable piece of anatomy) into
>the ground as quickly and with as much force as possible.  It's
>a form of striking, really.  It seems to me that the motion that
>gets this done best is usually more linear than circular.  Quick
>up and down, or better yet, just down - boom.
>--
>Richard A. Drury
>drury@helix.nih.gov

My (limited ;-) experience (some years of TKD followed by Sil lum KF,
currently training Jiu Jitsu) says that most (not all) throws are
based on arcs & circles.  We use what we call the 'small circle
theory/technique' for many throws, which relies on leverage.  A
'large circle' throw needs more physical strength, so often beginners
start with throws slowly, large circle based, and tighten up their
technique with time / exprience to a small circle based one.

Of course some throws (for example when one is pushed and flows with
the push to throw the opponent - sorry I don't have the English word
for it :-) are linear, and also work as advertized.

Regards,
Thor
From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Help ! Need feet of DEATH !
Date: 18 Aug 92 02:15:15 GMT
	<Pad-q2-@engin.umich.edu> <16p8qhINNq1i@agate.berkeley.edu>
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU's message of 17 Aug 92 22:22:09 GMT


In article <16p8qhINNq1i@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:

  >In article <Pad-q2-@engin.umich.edu> cschum@engin.umich.edu (Corey Joseph Schumacher) writes:
  >>Do a roundhouse kick with the hip turned over 45 deg, and then another
  >>turned over 90 degrees.  The first will come near the elbow, and the second
  >>should come in above it, even though they're both targeting the ribs somewhere.
  >
  >Oh, you overstretched punchy-kicky types make me ill.  If I turn my hip over
  >90 degrees for a roundhouse kick, I'm lucky if I can hit anything above knee
  >level.

Sour grapes.  Pfffft.  Razz.  :-P

  >P.S. :-)

:-) back atcha.
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From: zakis@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr J Zakis)
Subject: Re: Summary of Korean Terminology for TKD
Organization: Monash University (Caulfield Campus)  Australia
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 00:47:21 GMT

In article <9200@travis.csd.harris.com> brad@SSD.CSD.HARRIS.COM (Brad Appleton) writes:
>Wow - many thanks to all of you who responded to my request for
>Korean terminology for TKD. There are too many of you to thank
>individually, but that does not mean I appreciate your replies
>any less.
>
>
>              A Summary of Korean Terminology for TaeKwonDo
>
>                        compiled by  Brad Appleton
>

Great stuff, and a rare chance to see some of these terms.  Some
of the masters expect you to know these things but seldom use them
in training.  I have in fact a list of terms to be known for
various black belt gradings which are mostly exclusive of these.
I may be persuaded to scan them for posting.

You left out only one great one

Il sok pil sai   -  One strike must kill.

Regardless of the fact that TKD sparring is based on continuous
attacks, the philosophy of il sok pil sai is pary of the TKD
culture.


-- 
John Zakis
zakis@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au
From: silent1@netcom.com (Tapani J Otala)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Book Reccomendations
Keywords: books,bookstores
Date: 18 Aug 92 01:29:32 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <KRYSTEK.92Aug17164320@alcor.bms.com> krystek@alcor.bms.com (Stanley Krystek) writes:
>In article <Bt39J5.3K7@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick) writes:
>
>>   The best book I've seen yet (My bibliography is up to 140 pages long,
>>   with 10 citations per page) is John Corcoran and Emil Farkas's
>>   "Martial Arts:  History, Traditions, People."  It is out of print now

Speaking of books... I'd be interested in hearing recommendations
on good books about jujitsu. Also, pointers on good (MA-wise)
bookstores in the San Francisco Bay Area are welcome.


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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: CA.FER@forsythe.stanford.edu (Jennifer Gates)
Subject: Re: The Christian MA
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:34:39 GMT
Re: Christian anti gay post...

Wow. What was the point? just that they are all bad, well get real.

I was just at a great Paegen (Witches) wedding a few weeks ago and
we had gests who were all kinds of interesting people. This is just
another religion (one that happened to be in europe before
christianity came). So lay off on the religious stuff and lets keep
to martial arts here...

Fer
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: pipkinsj@cpqhou.compaq.com (Jeff Pipkins )
Subject: Re: Wing Chun style...help!
Reply-To: pipkinsj@cpqhou.UUCP (Jeff Pipkins )
Organization: Compaq Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 16:49:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.215145.21512@uwm.edu> ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty) writes:
[big sniperooni here]

>Depends what your defintion of grappling is.  Infighting itself is
>many times considered grappling by definition.  I can definately say
>that the Sticky Hands, which is unique to WC, is considered grappling.
                                 ^^^^^^

Well, first off, I should say that I'm not a WCer, and also I'm not
prepared to define "grappling" right now.  ;^)   But anyway, the sticky
hands exercise and others like it are not exclusive to WC -- there are
other "infighting styles" that do this as well...

[D. Poore:]
>>Perhaps some of the other WC people will come out of the closet and give
>>you their impressions too...

>Carefull when using those "coming out of the closet" terms!

Oh, nooooooooo, not the "coming out" thread again!

(I get this mental picture of a TKDer telling his sabumnim that he's
been secretly practicing WC all this time, and he's just not comfortable
with one foot way up in the air...)

>>Perhaps some of the other WC people will come out of the closet and give
>>you their impressions too...
            ^^^^^^^^^^^

BTW, what kind of impressions to WC people do?  ;^)


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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Hips in aikido
Keywords: wristlocks
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:10:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: unisql.3477
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Aug18.221450.26651@cs.brown.edu> tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus) writes:
>[ good stuff deleted ]
>  Do you agree Wharfie ?

	yes, except that I did claim that the hips weren't used as a fulcrum...
It seems to me that when I've see this technique demonstrated in aikido, the
hips simply block uke's movement and force him to follow the lead in such a
way as to loose balance, as opposed to simply stepping forward.

	When I do tsurikomi goshi I always end up with a sort of koshi-garuma
with uke's arms crossed... :-)  (Koshi garuma is the "hip wheel", and can
be described as rolling uke over your lower back...)
								wr
From: tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Speed of a Brick Breaking Blow
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:04:28 GMT
Reply-To: tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <1992Aug20.075556.160@news.uwyo.edu> rtravsky@news.uwyo.edu (Rich Travsky) writes:

>One tidbit this week covers breaking a brick in karate. It states
>...
>
>The problem with these little gems is he (Boyd) never says where
>he gets these things from. I'd sure like to see more of whatever
>he's quoting from on this one.

I recall that the Guiness Book of Records carried some figures concerning
tamashiwara.  I think they calculated that it was weel nigh impossible
for any of the breaking feats they documented to be done.

Bit like bumble-bees flying I suppose.

tommy
From: sv6f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Steven  Velasquez)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Help ! Need feet of DEATH !
Date: 19 Aug 92 03:47:29 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <shane-170892125028@a-mac.psy.uq.oz.au> shane@psych.psy.uq.oz.au (Sha
ne Brown) writes:

   Greetings !
      First, forgive me for my trashy tabloid headline style subject
   line 8). I don't really want feet of DEATH (I'd have both feet in

My personal opinion is that you can't condition the instep (the part of
the foot you're talking about) enough so that you can kick as hard as
you like.  In other words, you can kick a lot harder than your instep
can stand it, if you're hitting a hard object, and I don't think that
you can condition it in such a way that you can really let loose without
injury.

I don't know that the Muay Thai experience really contradicts this.
I know they do blast away without wearing pads, but I don't know
what their injury rate is.  I do think that conditioning is worth
doing.  Insteps have lots of relatively small bones and a lot of

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I think Mary is right about not being able to ever condition the
instep to the point that it could withstand the full force of your
kick into something hard like an elbow.  As for the Muay Thai folks,
I'm not sure but I've always been under the impression that the striking
surface is the shin not the instep.  In Uechi-ryu, we condition the shins
to the point that padding is in general unnecessary (except in case of
injury).  It has been my experience that a conditioned shin against an
unconditioned forearm/elbow will easily win and crush the block.  A
conditioned shin vs. a conditioned forearm/elbow, well,.... it depends
on the relative level of conditioning, although more often than not
nothing happens and play continues.

As for conditioning the limbs, the Okinawan invention of the makiwara
board is very useful especially for the knuckles and pointed toe kicks.
Good old knuckle push-ups are an absolute minimum.  As for the legs,
the shins can also be conditioned using the makiwara, but I prefer a
rolling pin rolled up and down the shin or any other part of the
anatomy that needs to be hardened :-).  Realistically, the instep
can be conditioned but it is very difficult and painful.  Check out
the foot of a place kicker for example.

The simplest advise for saving the instep from damage is to avoid
kicking elbows with them.  The thighs make a much softer target and
rarely does an elbow get that far down.

Steven Velasquez
University of Virginia
Dept. of Physics
Velas@virginia.edu
From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Rope as a weapon ?
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:01:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: martiniq.MARY.92Aug20100127
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: ami-tox@cup.portal.com's message of 20 Aug 92 02:15:29 GMT


In article <64319@cup.portal.com> ami-tox@cup.portal.com (Enrico Ami-tox gilberti) writes:

   Are there any MA out there that utalize ROPE as a weapon ? 
   I remember reading an article about it but have forgoten where. 

Try hojojutsu.  It's not used as a weapon, exactly, though...
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From: dccarr@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (david.c.carr)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Rats and Martial Arts
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:30:54 GMT
Organization: AT&T

From article <1992Aug19.203024.29488@sei.cmu.edu>, by psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell):
> 
> Now of course if Stephen were a Hindu (better still a yogi) he would
> understand that the best way to deal with the attack is to understand the
> opponent fully.  Actually, funnin' aside, I think this is exactly why 
> a religion like Christianity is inappropriate to the original core of what MA
> is all about.  In many "eastern" religions (where "eastern" includes Taoism,
> COnfucianism, Hinduis, Buddhism...) there is a *very real* notion that all of
> these creatures are indeed manifestations of God.  And in that light, say to
> the yogi, there is an optimal way of dealing with each creature, depending
> upon your understanding of God and the creature.


I'm not a Christian, and I disagree strongly with a lot of what
Stephen has said lately (he's free to attest to that)

BUT I'm not a yogi, I'm a long way from enlightened, and
if any creature (human or otherwise) came at me with intent
to do me harm (IMO), I'll get the hell away from it if possible
or I'll do my best to stomp it into the ground - manifestation of
God or otherwise.

Just because it's one of God's creatures (however you define her)
doesn't mean it isn't going to hurt you.


Dave Carr
isshin shorinji ryu okinawa te
ronin, wa bun bushi no michi
"Don't push the river, but don't pull no punches."
david.c.carr@att.com
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