HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: atul@nynexst.com (Atul Chhabra)
Subject: Re: Shortwave Radio (for Randy Morgan)
Reply-To: atul@nynexst.com
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 21:04:16 GMT

In article 2B3C216D@mechanic.fidonet.org, Randy.Morgan@f20.n3603.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Randy Morgan) writes:
>For sale - a Sony ICF-2010 shortwave radio in excellent condition. >
>Asking $200 (goes for $350 new), I'll pick up shipping to you.  Contact me
>through this conference or at (813)786-8944. ...
>
>Randy...
>
>--  
>Internet: Randy.Morgan@f20.n3603.z1.FIDONET.ORG

I am interested in this radio. I tried calling the phone number but there was no
Randy Morgan at this number. I tried emailing to Randy.Morgan@f20.n3603.z1.FIDONET.ORG
but I haven't gotten a response yet. Randy, if you are out there reading this 
newsgroup, could you please respond to atul@nynexst.com or call me at 914-644-2786.
Thanks.

--Atul



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From: dlaro@lonestar.utsa.edu (David O. Laro)
Subject: Re: another approach to f
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 04:59:32 GMT

In article <1hnoq7INN1li@bigboote.WPI.EDU> gkd@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Gregory K Doerschler) writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.062941.3205@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> dlaro@lonestar.utsa.edu (David O. Laro) writes:
>>
>>I'm pretty well convinced, from operating 11 meters for a few  years,
>>that Texas police can and do make arrests for using CB for just that
>>purpose [passing "smokey" reports]. (I don't think they like your flashing
>>your lights after you've just passed a radar trap, either, whadayawannabet?)



>up representing all of those who challenged the fines.  Using a defense
>which referenced Paul Revere's midnight ride warning Massachusetts
>that "the redcoats are coming" to argue that Americans have a longstanding
>tradition of alerting one another to authoritarian presence, all of the
>cases were dismissed.  The whole affair even made the front page of
>"The Hartford Courant."

Hmm.  This is an interesting thread we follow.  A comparison to Paul Revere's
famous "redcoats...." warning.  Wasn't there a big difference though?  I mean
the redcoats were shooting and otherwise harassing the citizens.  The speed
cops are just looking out for our safety and enforcing the laws we pay them
to enforce.  If we attempt to aid lawbreakers, then we are probably guilty
of something, maybe just interfering with a police officer in performance...

Naw, I wouldn't go to court to fight that charge.  Not because it's easier to
pay, but because I couldn't keep a straight face while proclaiming my
innocence.  I have this character flaw...can't lie well.


    ---David
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From: "tim cassidy" <tim.cassidy@canrem.com>
Subject: houston oilers
Reply-To: "tim cassidy" <tim.cassidy@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 31 Dec 92 17:11:17 EST

could only find one freq for the oilers in my magazine pile

houston oilers wireless misc  175.8

check out the pop comm's 1992 summer communications guide for a
complete listing of most NFL,NHL,baseball etc...

hope this helps and isnt too late
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: gregs@hotcity.COM (Greg Stramback)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: Mystified newbie: CB? How?
Date: 30 Dec 92 11:30:17 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Dec29.201333.19203@psg.com>, justin@psg.com (Justin Norman)
writes:
>
>Greetings, I own a BC 200XLT and was wondering why I can't
>pick up CB channels?  Possibly a different type of modulation
>or something?   Unfortunately I am not to familiar with 
>the electronics world, hence do not know enough to answer
>my own question.   
> 
>Is there a mod I can do?   I can't remember off the top of
>my head but I think CB is 16mHz to 25mHZ.
>
>thanks!
>jn
>
>justin@psg.com
1.  your scanner is designed to receive FM, and not AM modulated signals, with
the exception of the aircraft band.  2.  the low band coverage on your 200xlt
runs from 29-54MHz, and CB runs from 26.965 to 27.405 MHz.  

greg
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: another approach to f
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 07:12:58 GMT

dlaro@lonestar.utsa.edu (David O. Laro) writes:
: In article <H4ggwB3w164w@k5qwb.lonestar.org> lrk@k5qwb.lonestar.org (Mr. Lyn R. Kennedy) writes:
: 
: I'm pretty well convinced, from operating 11 meters for a few  years,
: that Texas police can and do make arrests for using CB for just that
: purpose.  (I don't think they like your flashing your lights after you've
: just passed a radar trap, either, whadayawannabet?)
: 
: Or, maybe I'm wrong...tell me there's no way it can be done!  I've a friend
: who spent a few dollars because it was done to him...

If so, then it is a Texas law. I also expect that the FCC might have something
to say about that. States cannot regulate what you transmit - that is the
exclusive providence of the feds.

It is even uncertain whether the states can prohibit your monitoring
various frequencies. I don't believe it has ever been tested to the
level of the supremes. For that matter, it is questionable whether
the feds can prohibit monitoring various frequencies.  Who knows when
that law will be tested.

Bill
Xref: sparky alt.radio.scanner:3565 alt.folklore.urban:32449
From: bergman@panix.com (Mark Bergman)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Amusing QRM story
Date: 4 Jan 93 01:08:07 GMT
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC

In article <C0AqLB.DAK@wang.com> dbushong@wang.com (Dave Bushong) writes:
>walsh@optilink.COM (Mark Walsh) writes:
>
>>Cops in Lancaster, PA got to listen to jingle bells
>>this Christmas season.  At first, they were amused
>>as it only was heard on the output of their repeater
>>when a weaker station was coming in, but it did not
>>go away.  The FCC quickly tracked it to the home of
>>a little old lady who had a musical Christmas
>>ornament that had malfunctioned in a most bizarre
>>way, and she lives only two blocks from the police
>>department repeater.  The FCC confiscated the
>>device, and told her that they would either fix it
>>or would pay her for it.
>
>>Any other good QRM stories out there?
>
>What a great UL.

Ahhh, but a True UL (if you believe the liberal elitist
media). This story was reported by the AP. I trust their
fact-checkers better than the Net fact-checkers!

>-- 
>Dave Bushong, Wang Laboratories, Inc.   Amateur Radio Callsign KZ1O
>Project Leader, OCR products            kz1o@n0ary.#noca.ca.na
>Internet: dbushong@wang.com


----
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718-855-9148

bergman@panix.com
{cmcl2,uunet}!panix!bergman
From: Dan.&.Rex@f4016.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Dan & Rex)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Monitoring America (Book)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 13:28:15 -0600

Re: Monitoring America (Book)
 

     The latest edition of the book called "Monitoring America" has just
been released.  This book offers the average scanner listener with a good
over-all variety of frequencies to monitor.

->Dan McNulty
From: hhh@phoenix.oulu.fi (Harri Hatunen)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Pro 200x + HB232
Date: 1 Jan 93 10:48:46 GMT
Reply-To: hhh@zombie.oulu.fi
Distribution: alt
Organization: University of Oulu, Dept. of ShitWare

Some time ago there was talk about a computer interface for pro
2004-6.
   If I remember right, it was a test version (build-it-yourself). 
Could someone tell, if it is for sale and what's the price.
TNX hhh@zombie.oulu.fi
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
From: dml@athena.mit.edu (David M LaMacchia)
Subject: Maryland frequencies?  
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 01:23:06 GMT

Does anyone have a listing of frequencies for the Montgomery County
area of Maryland? (I picked up the DC freqs from the archive site).
I'm specifically interested in fire/rescue/police channels.  I'll only
be in town for a short time and I don't have my frequency listings with
me....

Thanks a lot in advance.

--dave
From: davea@hotcity.COM (Dave Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: Receiving Scrambled Transmissions
Date: 1 Jan 93 16:54:56 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <1hve80INNk4k@uwm.edu>, retzer@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Joe J Retzer)
writes:
>I've been monitoring a local small town police dept. recently and came 
>across some interesting transmissions. While 95% of all transmissions
>are easily heard, every once in a while something unusual happens. 
>Specifically, I hear the squelch open for approximately 5 to 15 
>seconds but nothing, save for static is heard. After that the dispatcher
>comes back with an answer that is easily understood. I was wondering
>if some type of scrambling device is being used and if so, is there a
>way around it? Again, this is a rather small town so I'd be very 
>surprised if it was anything too sophisticated (ie. expensive).
>

That (scrambled or more likely digital transmision by the moble unit.
Dave
From: bsherman@mthvax.cs.miami.edu (Bob Sherman)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: 800MHz Trunked Radio System Signals
Date: 31 Dec 1992 21:18:25 -0500
Organization: Not much!
NNTP-Posting-Host: mthvax.cs.miami.edu

In <1992Dec31.071404.18652@samba.oit.unc.edu> Kirk.Smith@launchpad.unc.edu (Kirk Smith) writes:

>I wouldn't worry much about the transmit section of a trunked radio,
>as most newer radios can be programmed with transmit inhibit, or worst
>case scenerio, with a Tx offset that is out of range and the PLL won't
>lock on (thus no Tx).

Or they can be programmed with the incorrect connect tones..



>The bigger problems are:

>2)  Getting a tech to program it.  I don't imagine they make the
>    programming equipment available to the general public (Motorola
>    doesn't, unless you meet their requirements, and pay through the nose
>    for the radio interface box, cable, and software).  So you say
>    you'll let them program it.  Fine, if they'll actually do it.
>    You'd probably be stuck buying from the same dealer that your
>    municipality bought from to get the codes right, and they may
>    be reluctant to do this.

Lets sort this out. The Motorola programming software, radio interface box,
cable etc. is available for sale to anyone who wants to pay for it. Any
dealer can order it for you. Motorola has the codes for ALL Motorola 
trunked systems in their computer, and any authorised Motorola shop
knows how to get the information downloaded into your radio. The tech
does not have to know the codes, just the ID of the system.. However it
is a fair bet that most techs know the codes for the local systems in
their area. If he will give them to you or not is another story...

There are many other ways to get the proper codes depending on who you
count among your friends.. and how much they like you!! :-)

At least one other radio manufacturer also will sell their programming
software to any customer, along with cables etc..

-- 
   bsherman@mthvax.cs.miami.edu |                         | MCI MAIL:BSHERMAN 
   an764@cleveland.freenet.edu  |                         |
From: upsetter@mcl.ucsb.edu (Jason)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: Pro 200x + HB232
Date: 2 Jan 93 23:11:23 GMT
Distribution: alt

In <HHH.93Jan1124846@phoenix.oulu.fi> hhh@phoenix.oulu.fi (Harri Hatunen) writes:

>Some time ago there was talk about a computer interface for pro
>2004-6.
>   If I remember right, it was a test version (build-it-yourself). 
>Could someone tell, if it is for sale and what's the price.
>TNX hhh@zombie.oulu.fi

I've been using the HB-232 with my PRO-2004 for several months and it
works great...but I'm biased.  I was part of the group that developed
the HB-232. 

You can get an HB-232 kit including all parts, PCB, and
software for $169.95 from:

COMMTRONICS ENGINEERING
PO Box 262478
San Diego, California  92196-2478 
Voice Orders ONLY: (1:30pm - 5:30pm, PST):  (619) 578-9247  
Computer BBS & FAX: (6:00pm - 1:00pm, PST):  (619) 578-9247

Commtronics also sells assembled and installed units.  I believe EEB
also sells the HB-232 installed.  EEB's phone number is (703) 938-3350.

If anyone wants more information on the HB-232, email me and I'll send you
the advertising blurb from Commtronics. 

Jason Hillyard		upsetter@mcl.ucsb.edu
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From: bennett@erich.triumf.ca (P.Bennett)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: - - - Freq. of Realistic FM Cordless Room Monitor (help request) - - -
Date: 28 Dec 92 22:28:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: erich.triumf.ca
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1hn04uINN6oa@shelley.u.washington.edu>, neutron@stein.u.washington.edu (   ) writes...
> 
>	I have one of these REALISTIC (Radio Shack) Cordless Room Monitors,
>	and I would like to use my scanner as an additional monitor. The 
>	monitor can be switched to 2 different frequencies. Can anybody help 
>	me with these 2 frequencies? I opened it, and found two crystals (?)
>	with the numbers 16.630 and 16.620, but these numbers did not
>	work in my scanner.
> 

It's hard to make high frequency crystals, so it is common to multiply
from a lower frequencies.

Since many low-power radios, including wireless phones, operate around
49 MHz, try 16.63 x 3 = 49.89 MHz, and 16.62 x 3 = 49.86 MHz.


Peter Bennett VE7CEI                | Vessels shall be deemed to be in sight
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From: root@olwejo.UUCP (Bob Kupiec)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Antenna for 49Mhz HELP NEEDED
Date: 28 Dec 92 21:01:29 GMT
Organization: Olwejo - Private UNIX System

Does anyone have any good recommendations for a scanner (BNC) antenna for
49Mhz?  As you all know, this is cordless phones.  Would buying a cordless
rubber duck antenna help much?  Are there any homebrew ideas that you may
use to improve reception?

Thanks for your help.
-- 
\/\  Bob Kupiec - Amateur Radio Packet: N3MML @ wb3ftp.#epa.pa.usa.noam  /\/\
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Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
From: stevek@netcom.com (Steve Kile)
Subject: Re: 800MHz Trunked Radio System Signals
Organization: Netcom Communications - San Jose, CA
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 03:51:59 GMT

In article <27DEC199216291972@utkvx2.utk.edu> pratt@utkvx2.utk.edu (Mark E. Pratt) writes:
>In article <92360.134725PJB113@psuvm.psu.edu>, me <PJB113@psuvm.psu.edu> writes...
>>As more and more services switch to trunked systems, I'm sure the scanner
>>companies will eventually develop scanners with trunking capabillities. 

I had hoped the scanner manufacturers would develop scanners for trunked
systems but the word I am hearing is that monitoring the digital trunking
channel may not be legal. (Course nobody listens to cellular either.  :-) )

>I heard someone on the net talking a while back about boards you could by that
>converts your scanner into a trunking radio, ie, it receives and translates the
>computer data signals and automatically switches your frequencies.  There was a
>board for the motorola trunk system (which my county uses), and another for, I
>believe the GE (or the EF Johnson, I cant remember which)

I have heard rumor of this as well.  If anyone has any info I'm interested.

Wonder how long it will be before some of the 800 MHz stuff hits the surplus
market?

Steve, N0FBL
----
stevek@netcom.com
From: djc@terapin.com (Don Coco)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: 800MHz Trunked Radio System Signals
Date: 27 Dec 92 06:48:32 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Dec26.160901.26708@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, rdale@nyx.cs.du.edu
(Robert P Dale) writes:
>In article <djc.2x61@terapin.com> djc@terapin.com (Don Coco) writes:
>>Well I am rather upset by our fire department going to this new system. 
While
>>I realize that they need more channels I feel that I have the right to listen
>>to public services.  Apparently they feel differently.
>
>That's an interesting viewpoint I've heard at several fire scenes since
>Toledo went up to 800...  I'm assuming that you're being sarcastic, but
>I have talked to some who think that TFD just moved up to keep
>monitors off the air!  I've tried to explain the massive 
>benifits of a trunked, computerized system over the old VHF but
>that never works.
>
>I'll admit that I sure do miss monitoring like I used to, but if
>I were a firefighter I sure would appreciate all the benefits of
>the new system (realizing that it is not a "right" to have to have
>uncoded, easy to listen to broadcasts for the general public...)
>
>Rob
>--
>Robert P. Dale                          <>      rdale@attserv.atms.purdue.edu
>University of Toledo                    <>      74010.302@compuserve.com
>Meteorology/Emergency Services          <>      N8GSK@K9IU.IN.USA.NOAM

Well I've listened to this type of comms since the sixty's and have observed
many changes over the years.  My first scanner was a Baircat 210 as I recall.
I agree with you that the trunked radio system is necessary here.  My hope is
that it will work well.  I am still awaiting the forms and hope I can buy a
radio from the city so I can continue to monitor the fire department here.  I
don't know if other citys here are going to buy new radio systems.  They
probably are going to see how well it works for Oakland first.
From: schuster@panix.com (Michael Schuster)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: Icom modifications
Date: 31 Dec 92 14:01:28 GMT
Distribution: alt.radio.scanner
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Dec31.063259.21537@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> meyer@server.cs.jhu.edu (Me) writes:
>	I have a ICOM R-1 scanner, and was wondering if there are 
>any modifications available for it.  In particular to increase scan speed,
>increase memory size, allow NTSC output (or wide frequency output).

A British firm somewhere offers an internal BFO upgrade which replaces
the internal batteries.

There are very few mods available or planned ... the radio is a horror
to work on because of the tight, tiny construction.

-- 
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: another approach to f
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Distribution: alt
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 06:23:36 GMT

derek.buchler@channel1.com ("derek buchler") writes:
: 
: I think that it would be illegal to do such a thing since it is illegal
: to broadcast anything about police activity and law enforcement.   What
: you are suggesting is the equivalant (sp?) of my radar dector going off
: and then picking up my CB mike and relaying the info.  This is
: definitely a no-no.
 
It is? It has been a rather commonplace practice for the last 30 years.

I know of no one who has ever been cited for such a practice.

Bill
From: cscon0151@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: What freq do these operate at?
Date: 29 Dec 92 18:33:40 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

Has anybody heard of a wireless device that will broadcast a video signal
throughout a house?  It is supposed to allow other viewers in the house to
watch the same program or movie or whatever.  I believe in plugs into the RF
out of your VCR.  It then passes the VCR's output thru to the TV and also
broadcasts the same signal, on some frequency, that allows other properly
equipped TVs in the house to watch it also... I believe I saw the device
in DAK....

Anybody heard of it, or have any info on it????

I wonder if my neighbors use one......*grin*

Later...


Brad Steinman
University of Toledo Computer Services
cscon0151@uoft02.utoledo.edu
From: gregs@hotcity.COM (Greg Stramback)
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: 800MHz Trunked Radio System Signals
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:05:18 GMT
Organization: BBS

In article <1hm8a6INN4ig@mthvax.cs.miami.edu>, bsherman@mthvax.cs.miami.edu
(Bob Sherman) writes:
>
>>In article <92360.134725PJB113@psuvm.psu.edu>, me <PJB113@psuvm.psu.edu>
writes
>...
>>>As more and more services switch to trunked systems, I'm sure the scanner
>>>companies will eventually develop scanners with trunking capabillities. I
>>>strongly believe that the same thing is true with digital encryption. Too
>>>much money is involved in communications monitoring for it to go down
>>>the tubes just because of trunking and encryption. -PJB
>>> 
>>>These are only my opinions.
>
>I think many of you are overlooking the obvious.. When trunking systems
>become a way of life in your area, and you want to monitor them, do what
>we did in this area. Just purchase a piece of equipment that is 
>compatible with the system(s) in question, ie: Motorola, GE, Johnson,
>Standard etc.. and then you can monitor to your hearts content.. You just
>select which fleets, (announce groups), sub-fleets, (talk groups) you
>want to listen to and bingo, all of the other junk disappears, and you
>hear every message loud and clear.. I agree this is more costly than
>a scanner, but it works, where a scanner fails. 
>
>-- 
>   bsherman@mthvax.cs.miami.edu |                         | MCI MAIL:BSHERMAN 
>   an764@cleveland.freenet.edu  |                         | 

well, this is all fine and dandy, but you have to get the rig programmed
properly.  i know a few techs that program the things, and they're not all that
easy to program, and you need to have them programmed IDENTICALLY to the other
radios in the system.  furthermore, since the rigs can transmit as well as
receive, more often than not you need to be either licensed to operate /
monitor the system, or you need to have a signed letter of approval from the
local police cheif, fire cheif, etc.,.  if the rig isn't programmed correctly,
it will either have the same usefulness as a scanner programmed to all the
frequencies, making it very difficult to monitor, or it will have no use at
all, if the programming makes it unable to locate and lock onto the data
channel, thus making the radio silent, with no transmissions to monitor.

greg
From: PLAWS@UAFSYSB.UARK.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: Buying advice wanted re: PRO-2024
Date: 3 Jan 1993 11:18:44 -0600
Organization: University of Arkansas, Fayetteville
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

On 3 Jan 93 02:28:50 GMT you said:
>without 800 MHz coverage.  So, I guess my questions are:
>
>   - Is there anything to beware of about the 2024, other than the
>     band coverage?
>
Can't answer this--someone else will, no doubt...

>   - What exactly am I missing in the 800 MHz area, besides cellular
>     phones (which I couldn't care less about)?  (I live in Delaware County,
>     PA, in the suburbs of Philadelphia if anybody has specifics.)
>
*Lots* of places are moving to 800 MHz to take advantage of trunking
technology (although it could be used on lower freqs., it isn't).
According to _Monitor America_ 2nd Ed., only the City of Philadelphia
*appears* to be making plans for 800.  Delco PDs look like they will
be moving to 500 MHz (UHF-T band--500-506=TV19).  Neither of these may
be accurate...

>   - I know nothing about other brands.  Is there anybody else that makes
>     a scanner under, say, $200, that I should consider?

Some mailorder place (Texas Towers?  CEI?) recently had Bearcat 200xlt
on sale for $209.  Maybe someone can post more details... The BC200xlt
is a 200ch HH w/800, Air, etc.  I have one and like it a lot.

Good luck!

Peter Laws,
Associate Editor (Arkansas)
RCMA _Journal_

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