From: jbfink@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Adder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: RE : SINGAPORE LAWSE (sic)
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:47:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: miavx1.1992Oct8.004735.13408
Organization: Legion of Dynamic Discord

In article <wsuasB2w165w@student.business.uwo.ca>, vickeong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Jiun-Wen Keong) writes:
> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) the cry-baby writes:
>  
> GL> I insulted your government, not your people.  
>   > And less of the "Godfrey" please, it's laurence or Dr. Godfrey 
>   > if you prefer.
>   >            [ and cry baby stuff deleted........]
>  
> Osbert, and my dear colleagues on s.c.a., this man here just 
> wants attention. He probably has nothing better to do - 
> something we say in Singapore : 
>  
>       Jia Pa Bo Sai Pang !!!! (in Hokkien) 
>  
> so he starts insulting us all with his very much flawed logic. 
> Ignore him. He actually admitted these attention-grabbing 
> tactics to one and all in his earlier posting. 

OK..  I'll admit that Dr. Godfrey did go out of line with some of his shall we 
say um, less "proper" postings regarding willies and the like.  However, you 
all rode the wagon along with him.  (The Gap?  Please!)

I must say that I mostly agree with him.  The Singaporeans amongst us here in 
s.c.a. will of course put up a hue and cry and say "No!  They are not part of 
our culture; they will never understand why it is this way."
Go ahead.  Use that excuse. 


>  
> We do not like people dictating our every move, and our 
> government did realize that and has been steadily giving us 
> our freedom as they deemed fit. All you human rights activists 
> will cry foul as soon as you read this - but the western 
> notion and ideals of fundamental human rights CANNOT be 
> transplanted from culture to culture and nation to nation at 
> anybody's wimp and fancy. You have to realize what the 
> intrinsic nature of our society is - we (I say we in the 
> general sense) were brought up to respect our elders, honour 
> their teachings, guidance and act on it, WITHOUT QUESTION. And 
> these are the exact rudiments of the Confucian ethics our 

I just *know* I am going to get flames up my delicate body regions for this 
next remark, but it must be said.  You remember Europe back in, oh say, the 
1920's and 1930's?  There was a nation (actually, a couple of nations) filled 
with people who didn't question their elders nor their government.  As a 
result, the greatest tragedy of human existance; the attempted genocide of an 
entire group of people.  Why did nations filled with otherwise seemingly 
intelligent, kind, fun-loving people DO this?  Because the government told them 
so.  This then is the danger of believing and trusting everything your 
government says.
This happened in an Asian country, too.  Remember?  The Greater East Asian 
Co-Prosperity Sphere?

(I know Singapore is NOTHING like this, but it COULD'VE been).

QUESTION EVERYTHING.  BELIEVE NOTHING WITHOUT SERIOUS SCRUTINY.

> government has been promoting as we matured as a nation. 
>  
> While I sometimes question the wisdom behind the petty laws we 
> have, I NEVER thought they were stupid. There is a flip side 

Face it.  Some laws ARE stupid.  In the American town of Oxford, Ohio, there is 
a law (I believe) that dictates that a woman may not undress/be naked in front 
of a PICTURE of a man.  An actual MAN, no problem.  But not a photograph!  
Please, someone convince me of the wisdom of this.


adder

Remember: QUESTION EVERYTHING.  Including what you have just read.
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