HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: prim!dave@germany.eu.net (Dave Griffiths)
Subject: Re: What's involved in a port?
Organization: Primitive Software Ltd.
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 20:57:45 GMT

In article <dillon.0ocp@overload.Berkeley.CA.US> dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon) writes:
>In article <1992Sep21.061520.6409@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno) writes:
>>
>>This is coming from someone who has never written an operating system.
>>
>>Why is it difficult to port an OS from one machine to another? I
>>understand that some aspects of an operating system must be made hardware
>
>    Four things:
>
>    Device Drivers
>
>    Device Drivers
>
>    Device Drivers
>
>    VM/MMU
>

Note that NeXTStep is especially easy to port because it is based on Mach.
One of the hardest things to port is the Virtual Memory (VM) subsystem
and Mach was designed with a portable VM system - the hardware dependent
stuff was kept to a minimum. Also NeXTStep doesn't have many drivers
compared to a lot of other Unices.

Dave Griffiths
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Date: Mon,  5 Oct 1992 17:23:06 -0400 
From: William Griffith Lakenan <wl1o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: AKCL and CLOS

    Has anyone succesfully used a CLOS system with AKCL under NeXTStep 2.2?
If you have, would you please let me know which versions of each and how
(detailed if possible) you installed it.  I've tried using the latest
version of pcl under akcl version 6.15.  I think I'm probably not
installing it correctly.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
                                                Thanks,
                                                Bill
-wl1o@sophocles.ws.cc.cmu.edu
-NeXTmail OK! 
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From: m@crito.stanford.edu (M Carling)
Subject: Re: How's Framemaker 3.0 under NeXTstep 3.0?
Reply-To: mcarling@NetForce.com (M Carling)
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 16:12:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.125802.5564@stc.nato.int> koelman@cuby.stc.nl (Ton  
Koelman) writes:
> 
> Subject line says it. Any problems?

So long as you have an ample sufficiency of memory, Frame works as well as  
it does under 2.1.

M Carling
Director, Bay Area NeXT Group
General Manager, NetForce Inc.
--
"High tech is potent, precise, and in the end, unbeatable. The truth is,  
it reminds a lot of people of the way I pitch horseshoes. Would you  
believe some of the people? Would you believe our dog? Look, I want to  
give the high-five signal to high tech."
                          George Bush, 4/25/89
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From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: Localization: HA! <warning: flame>
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:24:04 GMT

Pascal Gaudette writes
> Before people start wondering: no. NeXT doesn't ship online docs
> in any other language than english.

Does NeXT ship a complete set of printed docs in any other language but  
english?  To my knowledge, and last scanning of the product list, no.  Some  
documentation (like the 3.0 Release Notes and Upgrade instructions) is shipped  
in languages other than english, and that's part of fulfilling the promise of  
being able to compute in 7 different languages.  But for the bulk of the  
documentation needed to operate and program with the NeXT, such as the User's  
Reference, System Administration guide and other operational and user manuals,  
it's still an english-only situation.

Living up to the promise of operating in 7 languages is not impossible to do  
with a NeXT.  Given the current situation, the promise should never have been  
made to begin with.
-- 
-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
-- NeXTmail ok
From: moose@svcdudes.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: Will app developed in 3.0 run on 2.1 machine?
Date: 25 Sep 92 17:43:34 GMT
Reply-To: moose@svcdudes.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Software Ventures, Inc.

In article <1992Sep24.013143.22407@afit.af.mil> johair@afit.af.mil (John R.  
O'hair) writes:
> I have written a fairly complex number crunching rountine using IB. Once
> its performed its calculations it displays various 1D and 2D plots. I
> wrote the code under 2.2 and will use this as the basis for any further
> software development after I upgrade to 3.0. 
> 
> Since the software will also be run on machines at school running 2.1,
> my question is this: will the software modified under 3.0 work on a
> machine running 2.1? It seems reasonable that my application will not
> work if I use some of the new objects. Are there any old objects that
> have been modified such that they would cause my code to crash?
> 

Nope.  Anything written under 3.0 might use methods that don't exist under 2.x  
and this would cause a crash.  Therefore, no 3.x applications can run under  
2.x.

--
Michael Rutman			|	moose@svcdudes.com
Cubist				|	makes me a NeXT programmer
Software Ventures		|	maker of MicroPhone Pro
#include <std.disclaimer>	|	really offensive political statement
Xref: sparky comp.sys.next.software:1967 comp.unix.shell:4202
From: christos@deshaw.com (Christos Zoulas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.unix.shell
Subject: Re: *obnoxious* & *virulent* TCSH BUG! [the evil maintainer writes back]
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:37:09 GMT
Organization: D. E. Shaw & Co.

In article <x2x1H7+7&9@atlantis.psu.edu> barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) writes:
>In article <1992Oct4.211709.23321@Princeton.EDU> ramirez.Princeton.EDU!penrose (Christopher Penrose) writes:
>>
>>I hate to sound like an obnoxious UNIX geek, but it seems that tcsh users
>>are poseurs:
>
>Well if you say things like this, I can see how people might think that.
>
>>no one has noticed or fixed (to my limited knowledge) a really  
>>obnoxious bug.  When using tcsh command-line editting with lines greater than
>>the screen width, the cursor gets "lost" and edits are placed in strange places  
>>on the line.  This gives me vertigo.  I am using the binary compiled on a NeXT.
>>All our servers have succumbed to this brain-teasing binary too.  It is the  
>>foul 6.02 binary that is lurking on the archives.
>
>>Does anyone have any info regarding the maker of this evil binary?  Can I
>>submit bug reports?  Or am I just experiencing localized reality failure?
>>Should I just sit quietly and expect to be ignored?
>
>Again, please be a little more understanding when reporting bugs.
>Calling it "evil," "foul," "virulent," and "obnoxious" only get people
>mad.  A simple "I seem to be having problems with command-line editing
>on my NeXT running <os version>.  I'm running tcsh <version>, from the
>binary I ftp'd from <host>" will do.  People will be much more
>repsonsive to your problems.  I can see why you would be ignored.
>
>I've never had this problem.  I've tried to duplicate your problem on a
>NeXT running 2.0 and tcsh 6.00.  I run tcsh normally on Sun's, and have
>been using 6.02 there and have never had a problem there, either.  I
>suspect a terminal bug.  What terminal are you using?
>

As the maintainer of the evil tcsh source [but not the maker of the
evil tcsh binary], I am going to try to reply and clarify the
situation.

The terminal handling has been changed in tcsh-6.02. Specifically the
tcsh command line editor in 6.02 uses the rightmost column of the
terminal and does not use carriage return to wrap to the next line
(when possible). The advantage of this new scheme is that window system
users can cut and paste multi-line commands without splitting them [To
my knowledge no other shell does this correctly].

Unfortunately handling line wrapping this way is more expensive and
assumes that your termcap "am" [automatic margin] and "xn" [magic
margin] variables are set correctly, otherwise the screen will appear
gargbled.

Even if your termcap description is incorrect, you can use :

settc am <no|yes> and
settc xn <no|yes> 

to remedy the situation.

As David Barr said:

The key question is what terminal are you using and what is the termcap/
terminfo description for it?

christos
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From: curtis@accnxt1.tamu.edu (Curtis Johnson)
Subject: Source>Executable
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 22:40:07 GMT

Could someone please send me docs on how to turn source code into  
executable files.  I downloaded some stuff from the archives in source  
form and would like to get it up and running.  Some of them already have  
Makefile (s), others don't so could you give me a step by step  
explanation.

Thank you,


--
Curtis A. Johnson

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to carry out
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he
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From: Rex-Pruess@uiowa.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: rlogind.c source wanted
Keywords: rlogin
Date: 3 Oct 92 16:45:17 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

I haven't had much luck finding rlogind.c source which will compile/run on  
a NeXT.  I've tried uu.net & a couple of the NeXT archive sites, but I'm  
not having any luck.  Would some kind soul tell me where I might find the  
source & associated makefile?
--
   Rex Pruess, Weeg Computing Center, University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA
      NeXTmail: Rex-Pruess@uiowa.edu ......... Phone: (319) 335-5452
From: tvz@zandtwerk.Princeton.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Still can't get TeXview to read .cshrc.
Date: 6 Oct 92 11:31:56 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: tvz@zandtwerk.Princeton.EDU


When I run TeXview from a terminal window, it gets the
environment variables, but when I run it from the Workspace,
it doesn't seem to read .cshrc and hence the previewer
can't find fonts and the TeX command window can't find
inputs.

I asked about this a couple weeks ago, and just got a
few responses from people who say they are not having this
problem.

Has anyone else run into this? Any suggestions?

Tim
-- 
Timothy Van Zandt   (609)258-4050  tvz@Princeton.EDU (NeXTMail)
Dept. of Economics,  Princeton University,  Princeton, NJ 08544
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From: frederick@parc.xerox.com  (Ron Frederick)
Subject: Webster under 3.0
Reply-To: frederick@parc.xerox.com
Organization: Xerox PARC
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 07:00:06 GMT

Hi everyone...

I just finished doing the upgrade to 3.0, and I noticed something unusual about
the Webster dictionary files in /NextLibrary/Documentation/Reference. Suddenly,
the dictionary takes up a LOT more space. Since I assume the English language
hasn't changed much in the last couple of years, I decided to check it out.

What I found is rather confusing. Instead of the old huge file containing the
dictionary, there are now two files named "CompactDictionary" and "Dictionary",
about 16MB and 21MB respectively. This feels redundant to me, but I really
don't know whether I can remove one or the other safely. Does anyone know why
there are now two files? Am I right in thinking that I can remove one of them?

Thanks in advance!

P.S.  3.0 is VERY cool!
--
Ron Frederick
frederick@parc.xerox.com
(NeXTmail acceptable)
From: birckmr@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: NeXT and IBM
Keywords: 486, ibm
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:44:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Oct1.134410.26898
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology


I heard that NeXT is going to develop NeXTStep for the IBM 486 computer.   
Can anyone confirm or deny this rumor?  If it's true, when and how much  
will it cost?  Any thing else you know would be great.   Thanks.

	Matthew Birck
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From: ramirez.Princeton.EDU!penrose (Christopher Penrose)
Subject: Re: *obnoxious* & *virulent* TCSH BUG! [the evil maintainer writes back]
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: oops
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:03:07 GMT


Scott Hess's fix (turn off 'tabs can wraparound' in Stuart 2.4) worked for my  
problem.  Thank you again, Scott!  I just thought that I'd add something that I  
said to Scott in email:  I hope that it is clear (I wish that it were self  
evident) that I really appreciate tcsh - otherwise why would I bother using it?   
Sorry if anything has been misconstrued.  Thank you for your collective help.

Christopher Penrose
effete ivy tower composeur
penrose@silvertone.princeton.edu
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From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.misc
Subject: Re: *obnoxious* & *virulent* TCSH BUG!
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:02:03 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <1992Oct4.211709.23321@Princeton.EDU>  writes:
> When using tcsh command-line editting with lines greater than
> the screen width, the cursor gets "lost" and edits are placed in strange places  
> on the line. ... It is the foul 6.02 binary that is lurking on the archives.
> Does anyone have any info regarding the maker of this evil binary? 

I made this _evil_ binary and placed it on the archives to save others
the trouble.  As noted in the README with that binary, the source for
tcsh is available at tesla.ee.cornell.edu. tcsh doesnt seem to have that
behavior on my NeXT, but by all means - get the tcsh source, make with different
options, or make changes to the source or report the bug to the person that
maintains tcsh (RTFM to get his name).

Please try not to supress your emotions, its not good for your health.




-- 
---------------------------------------------------
Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu   NeXT mail accepted
From: Brian_Pinkerton@next.com (Brian Pinkerton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: Praise and gripes about 3.0
Keywords: performance, 3.0
Date: 26 Sep 92 17:37:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.140404.22842@cube.handheld.com>  
jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:
> I was not able to attend the dev conf.  Does this mean we must have
> and believe 'inside' info, from one slide, over the public
> announcements?  Given that, how can we beleive anything NeXT says?
> It's all "marketing hype" in the end!

If I were you, I'd believe an engineer's inside info 10 times more often  
than I believed any marketing info.  This goes for any company, not just  
NeXT.  The nice thing about NeXT is that the marketing line is a lot  
closer to the truth than at other large computer companies.

The talk at NeXTWorld Expo was given about 6 months before 3.0 shipped.   
Back then, we knew enough about 3.0's performance to give developers a  
good idea of what components of the system were better, and which were   
worse.  This information is critical for deciding which tradeoffs to  
make in an application.

The exact contents of that slide were:

	3.0 Performance

	What's faster:
		Obj-C messaging overhead
		Precompiled headers
		Swaptimizer
	What's not:
		Overall performance

From an insiders perspective, let me just say that 3.0 is not perfect.   
We realize that -- we expect a lot out of our software too.  When it  
comes to deciding when to release a large software product like 3.0,  
there are a lot of tradeoffs to consider, and the final decision is  
always a compromise.

So, if you want to criticize 3.0's performance, keep in mind what was  
gained at the cost of slower software.  Keep in mind what NeXT's  
customers got for 3.0, when they got it, how much it costs, and what its  
overall quality is compared to other large software products.  Above  
all, keep in mind who NeXT's typical customer is, and what they want  
from their software.

Finally, let me say that constructive, well informed suggestions are  
listened to here at NeXT.  There's a lot we can do to improve  
performance in 3.0, and we'd love to hear your ideas.

Brian Pinkerton
NeXT Software Engineering
From: rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us (Bob Peirce #305)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Gourmet.app -- Got it working
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:30:54 GMT
Reply-To: rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us (Bob Peirce #305)
Organization: Cookson, Peirce & Co., Pittsburgh, PA

Well, I don't know why it wouldn't work with Mathematica.app in
NextApps, so I re-installed Mathematica from scratch where I wanted it.
Then I set up the link from math to /NextApps/Mathematica.app/Kernel/
NeXT/mathexe, same as before, and the bloody thing worked.  I think I
must have moved Mathematica instead of reinstalling it and mixed up the
math script.  Re-installing it fixed the problem.

Why Gourmet will run when mathexe is linked to math but
not when mathexe exists in its own right is beyond me.

-- 
Bob Peirce, Pittsburgh, PA         rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us         412-471-5320
venetia@investor.pgh.pa.us [NeXT Mail]  !uunet.uu.net!pitt!investor!rbp [UUCP]
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From: ramirez.Princeton.EDU!penrose (Christopher Penrose)
Subject: *obnoxious* & *virulent* TCSH BUG!
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:17:09 GMT


I hate to sound like an obnoxious UNIX geek, but it seems that tcsh users
are poseurs:  no one has noticed or fixed (to my limited knowledge) a really  
obnoxious bug.  When using tcsh command-line editting with lines greater than
the screen width, the cursor gets "lost" and edits are placed in strange places  
on the line.  This gives me vertigo.  I am using the binary compiled on a NeXT.
All our servers have succumbed to this brain-teasing binary too.  It is the  
foul 6.02 binary that is lurking on the archives.

Does anyone have any info regarding the maker of this evil binary?  Can I  
submit bug reports?  Or am I just experiencing localized reality failure?
Should I just sit quietly and expect to be ignored?

Christopher Penrose
ivy tower composer
penrose@silvertone.princeton.edu
From: borchers@poogh.llnl.gov (Robert R. Borchers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Window Positions in 3.0
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:08:51 GMT

Does anyone known why or how to fix the problem that windows do not stay  
put when relaunching an app. I have a cube with two monitors and leave a  
lot of informational windows, eg console, outgoing mail and addresses on  
the B&W. Under 2.1, once they were put there they reappeared in the same  
location when the app was relaunched, or I logged out and back in(which I  
do frequently going to root to fix things). Now they all come back on the  
ND sreeen and have to be repositioned every time. ~/.NeXT/.defaultsL is  
too much of a mess to dig through to actually try and see what is going  
on. Is this just a feature of 3.0? Bob


--
Robert R. Borchers
L-414
Livermore, Ca 94551
borchers@llnl.gov
NeXTmail Welcome
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From: jamast00@nx17.mik.uky.edu (john a mastrolia)
Subject: Need help with C-News
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 23:06:08 GMT

I'm installing C-News on a NeXTStation Turbo and have not been able to get it  
installed correctly.  I have complete instructions in a .ps file from a users  
group in Canada, but my problem occurrs when executing the ./doit.news script.   
When the includes C-News' version of putenv.c, the script chokes and exits  
reporting a problem with the number of variables not matching the prototype for  
the function.

Any suggestions or assistance would be helpful!  I tried compiling under 2.2  
and then under 3.0, both times reported the same errors.  Attempting to  
continue the process fails in parts of the remaining scripts doit.bin and  
again.root.

Thanks in advance.

--
John A. Mastrolia		+1 606 257-2272
jamast00@mik.uky.edu		+1 606 257-6100
deepthought!outland!jmast@ms.uky.edu 
  University of Kentucky
From: dimitri@dutiws.tudelft.nl (Dimitri Tischenko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Truth: what is it? (was: Re: Praise and gripes about 3.0)
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:10:38 GMT
Organization: Delft University of Technology

In article <1992Oct1.165220.25206@cube.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:
... stuff deleted ...
>Per my old-fashioned upbringing, in the (early) fifties, there is truth and  
>!truth.  !Truth == lie.  The statement "...is a lot closer to the truth..."  
>implies the position not the truth, and hence a lie.  I know that is out of  
>sync with the nineties, where truth is more a matter of perception than an  
>absolute, but I'm too old to change.
>
>Jim

Well, !Truth==lie is certainly not true (pun intended!). Because the
question "what is truth" is sometimes impossible to answer. For
example: "There exists another life besides the one on earth" is
this a truth? is this a lie? Maybe it can be both or none?

Just a bit of thinking.

Dimitri
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: Hal.Varian@umich.edu
Subject: Re: Indexing Newsfolders
Reply-To: Hal.Varian@umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan Math Dept
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:02:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.193819.24524@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>  
jim@ljkiraly.lerc.nasa.gov (L J "Jim" Kiraly) writes:

>In article <1992Sep24.234432.14489@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
>magnus@Fisher.Stanford.EDU (Magnus Nordborg) writes:
>>Has someone figured out what relevant index.* files one needs
>>to put in  the NewsFolders directory to get Librarian to  
>>actually index the files,

I switched to WAIS for newsfolders and mailboxes have been very  
happy with it.
 
>And, can anyone bring up a Digital Webster definition and get  
>it to print?

This works for me for text entries, but not ones with pictures.

--
Hal.Varian@umich.edu    Hal Varian
voice: 313-764-2364     Dept of Economics
fax:   313-764-2364     Univ of Michigan
                        Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: lones@lones.mit.edu (Lones Smith)
Subject: EMACS & EDIT
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:06:05 GMT


Hi,
     I heard noises on csns about the ability to use emacs commands in edit. I  
don't see this mentioned in the NeXT documentation on Edit, so I'm wondering:
1. Is it possible?
2. If so, exactly how do I get this facility (a simple preferences change?)

Still trying to understand all that the NeXT can do,

--
Lones A. Smith
Department of Economics
MIT E52-252C
(617) 253-0914
From: farach@dickens.rutgers.edu (Martin Farach)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: Gourmet.app -- Got it working
Date: 3 Oct 92 20:28:00 GMT
Organization: /climax/u2/farach/.organization
In-reply-to: tlm@iastate.edu's message of 2 Oct 92 20:57:43 GMT

In article <tlm.718059463@scl1.al.iastate.edu> tlm@iastate.edu (Dr. T.L. Marchioro II) writes:

   I haven't gotten my 3.0 yet (apparently I'll be the last man
   in North America they ship to) but I assume it *still* comes with a 
   gourmet set up for the "dinosaur days" distribution.  


No it doesn't come set up for the "dinosaur days" distribution.  It's
not included in 3.0 at all.

--
Martin Farach			farach@dimacs.rutgers.edu
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: -traditional bug
Date: 27 Sep 92 17:54:57 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu


(Will there be a comp.sys.next.bugs?)

-traditional causes <stddef.h> to fail.

Mark Adler
madler@cco.caltech.edu
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