HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: degraff@helix.nih.gov
Subject: Re: Sierra Club Outings duplicate post
Organization: National Cancer Institute
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:09:43 GMT

 Sorry about the duplicate posting.  I was having problems with my mailing
program.

Bill DeGraff

Disclaimer: The opinions expressed herein are not necessarily thos of the
National Institutes of Health, The Dept. of Health and Human Services, or the
US Government.
From: scsykes@ncrcan.Canada.NCR.CA (scsykes)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Canadian mail-order sources?
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:52:00 GMT
Organization: NCR Canada Ltd. Mississauga, Ontario
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

An organisation called Mountain Equipment Co-op has a mail order
service running out of Vancouver. Their prices are excellent,
return policy better than any other I've come accross, and a life 
time membership costs only $5. I don't have the address handy - 
I'll post it on Monday.
From: scsykes@ncrcan.Canada.NCR.CA (scsykes)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Best kind of stove for Turkey?
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:47:52 GMT
Organization: NCR Canada Ltd. Mississauga, Ontario
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Coleman Peak1 MULTI-FUEL accepts kerosene and is both light and
compact. Kerosene is avialable almost anywhere. The PEAK1
also accepts naphtha(sp?).
From: daryl@bovill.auspex.com (Daryl Starr)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Bay Area Skiing?
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:45:01 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Auspex Systems

Seems to me that both of you have been beaten to skiing the Bay Area first.
Wasn't there a grass skiing fad a few years back. I remember reading about
it and also saw grass skiing in a commercial. Wonder if it's still happening
here?

Daryl
From: evans@cs.arizona.edu (Richard C. Evans)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Altitude sickness preparation
Date: 11 Jan 93 02:24:46 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

Altitude sickness is wierd and very difficult to anticipate or prevent.  The
best preventitive measure is good physical conditioning (regardless of the 
activity).  I have never heard of anyone getting altitude sickness at 8500 ft
before, although I guess it's possible.  To what extent did the sickness 
develop (ie:headache, nausea, edema).  It may have been something else, such
as food poisoning or flu, but mistaken for altitude sickness.

If possible, a time-proven technique is gradual acclimation.  Just go to a set
altitude (say 7500 ft) and sit for a few days.  Then move up and sit some more.
Obviously, the problem with this technique is that it is time-consuming and
a real drag.

One method I strongly discourage is the use of medicines to offset the effects
of altitude.  These are diuretics, and can therefore increase the possibility
of dehydration.  Very, very scary.

On the other hand, you might not want to worry about it.  I have had mild
altitude sickness at 10,000 feet, and have been fine climbing for sea level
to 19,000 ft.  Sometimes it happens, sometimes it don't!!
.
From: padams@cvbnet.prime.com (cvbnet)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Sierra Club Outings
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:07:32 GMT

From article <1iihk1INNiju@usenet.pa.dec.com>, by klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee):
> |>   how does one find out about trips offered by the local chapters?
> 
> They are listed in the chapter newsletter, sent to all chapter members.
> 
   is it possible to get a chapter newsletter without being a member?
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: pburke@vms.macc.wisc.edu (Peter Burke, MIC, 608-263-7744)
Subject: Re: North Face sleeping bags /PAcks
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date:  5 JAN 93 18:08:19    

>I have a NF igloo (good to 5 deg F) Lists at $195 or so) but I got it for 125 
>on sale.  The trick with North Face equipment is to either find it on sale
>or to go to an outlet.  There is an outlet in Reading, PA and one in CA

I bought my North Face down bag at the NF outlet store in Kenosha, WI - 
paid only $170 for a bag that lists for $349.  I also mail ordered a NF 
Shockwave backpack from a store in California that had a big sale on 
that item (paid $199 instead of $379 list - outlet price was $279 at the 
same time).  About one month ago I heard that same store was selling out 
thes packs for $99 - too late for me to get another one though.

>The moral of this message -- LOOK FOR SALES on any equipment.(I also own a NF parka and fleece - both of which I got on sale)

Exactly.  The profit margins seem to be quite extreme on high-end gear 
(which is why is still don't own the winter bag I want)

The problem with the outlet stores is that they never get any of the 
really good stuff in: for 1 1/2 years I have tried to buy a NF Mountain 
Jacket at outlet prices, but they never get one in! A lot f the stuff at 
the outlet is actually not NF brand, but some kind of cheaper name of 
much lwer grade gear.  Pretty disapointing if you want to buy lots of 
fancy NF gear - call before you drive a long distance to these outlets!

Peter Burke                           | PBURKE@MACC.WISC.EDU 
Microcomputer Information Center      | PBURKE@Wiscmacc.BitNet
Madison Academic Computing Center     | 608-263-7744
1210 W. Dayton St., Madison, WI 53706 | 
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: "Peter Beckman" <beckman@cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Food Dehydrators and Food for Backpacking
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:21:30 -0500

jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>Has anyone used dehydrators to do dried foods for backpacking?  I've
>thought about getting one seen in a Damark catalog for about $50 [...]

I do.  The topic has been discussed here before.  I recommend AGAINST
any of the Damark, Ronco, elcheapo, etc dehydrators (The kind they
show on the "infomertials" late at night).  I've seen one, its simply a
set of trays with a 10 inch heating wire at the bottom that warms the
trays.  It takes a LONG LONG time to dehydrate stuff (some will spoil
first).

The Harvest Maid dehydrator (about $75) is FAR better.  It has a fan
to circulate air, and a variable temp control.  You can also get a
plastic tray to make fruit leathers (roll-ups) easier.

-Pete




Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Sierra Club Outings
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:25:29 GMT

In article <1if0efINNrg2@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> pstryjew@colsun.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>
>Does anyone have any experiences (good/bad) with the Sierra Club Outings 
>that they could share?  Some of the trips seem to reasonably priced and exciting.

>I have planned/taken my own trips in the past, but with responsibilities at work
>I don't have time to do extensive planning for an out of state trip.  Also, on
>my last trip, my wife accused me of leading a death march (well, the first day
>was a little much :-)).

>Suggestions on value, leaders (ones to stay away from or good leaders), 
>general trip info, etc.?  

First, it may be important to distinguish the national trips advertised in the Sierra magazine
from local chapters.  The National trips require reservations and $$ while most of the 3000 yearly
local trips in the LA area don't require reservations and are free.

>Also, what is an average age for participants?  The local chapter is mostly 
>40+ (nothing wrong with that) and don't have a lot in common with late-20yr
>olds.

This may be a different issues.  I've lead or particpated in college, company, social groups,
and the Sierra Club over the past 15 years.  I noticed an extreme drop off in the college age
particpation over that period.  I've generally felt among the youngest in the non-college trips
even though I was getting older.  So IMHO, the post-baby boom generation is less interested
in the backcountry than the pre- and baby-boom generation.
From: bob.kenyon@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Bob Kenyon) 
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Anyone with a fused ankle
Date: 4 Jan 93 09:32:00 GMT
Reply-To: bob.kenyon@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Bob Kenyon) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Freddy's Place BBS - Edmonton, AB - 403-456-4241

To: bdw+@cs.cmu.edu

BWBK>I have a fused ankle (the result of shattering my talus bone in a climbing
BWBK>fall) and I'm looking for other climbers, backpackers, or outdoor enthusia
BWBK>who have a similar injury.  I'd like to share experiences, suggestions, et
BWBK>If you have a similar injury or know someone who does, I'd love to hear
BWBK>from you.  Thanks.

Blake

I don't have as serious a problem as you have, actually much less, but I
do have a real bad right ankle. It's result of an industrial accident
about 1975, where my ankle received a bad concusion. Never has been the
same, and has less, and less strength.

This in conjunction with my high arches, which are bad enough to be
classed as a congenital defect, make for interesting packing. Somewhat
akin to beating my feet and ankles with a hammer!

As you may realize, when I instruct in hiking/backpacking, I'm well
versed in footcare.

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Bob Kenyon                             FREDDY'S PLACE BBS
Edmonton, AB. Canada                   (403)456-4241

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////


 * SLMR 2.1a * Windoze! Convert your perfrectly good IBM into a Mac!
From: jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Best kind of stove for Turkey?
Date: 9 Jan 93 00:57:03 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <15252@ncrcan.Canada.NCR.CA>, scsykes@ncrcan.Canada.NCR.CA (scsykes) writes:
> Coleman Peak1 MULTI-FUEL accepts kerosene and is both light and
> compact. Kerosene is avialable almost anywhere. The PEAK1
> also accepts naphtha(sp?).

MSR has two multi-fuel stoves.  A kerosene and white gas one called
the Internationale and a (get this) FIVE fuel stove that burns
unleaded gas and practically everyting else.  Fuel tanks are external
on both.  The internationale is $54 and the five fuel one (I think
it's called X-GX or something) is $79 in the Campmor catalog.
-- 
jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
James Miller

_chicchai .sig no ho ga ichiban iin janai ka..._
             Enlightenment Happens?
From: rjudy@dime.cs.umass.edu (Judy Ruot)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Anyone climb Mt. Washington recently?
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:43:21 GMT
Reply-To: rjudy@dime.cs.umass.edu (Judy Ruot)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <1993Jan5.235229.25539@tessi.com> allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:
>cindy@kolob.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Cindy Lee) writes:
>
>>Hi folks,
>>Some friends and I are headed to Mt. Washington (New Hampshire) on January 16th
>>to take a peek from the top.
>>I just wanted to know what the general conditions have been, 
>>e.g. lots of snow, wind, etc.
>
>Going to Mr. Washington in the summertime is best recommended.  In January, I
>would have extremely STRONG reservations having anyone go to the top.

I agree with that. If you do insist on hiking up, register at the
Pinkham Notch camp (they may not let you hike it at all) make sure you bring 
appropriate severe weather
gear, no matter how sunny it may be when you start.  Don't even try
this if you are inexperienced and don't know of the potential dangers.
Even in the summer they recommend carrying winter clothing and survival
items for forays in the hillier areas of the white mountains. Mt.
Washington has recorded the highest wind speed ever. It's very severe
up there in the winter. this is no casual afternoon jaunt you're
thinking of here. 

>
>I have no idea as to the experience level of you and your friends, but the
>tone of your posting suggests a casual approach about climbing to the top.
>Due to the usual high winds and unpredictable storms which can blow up without
>a moment's notice, I would strongly, STRONGLY recommend that you please NOT
>go to the top.  There is a lot of danger up there this time of year.

   Well, put; nuff said.

jd
From: evans@cs.arizona.edu (Richard C. Evans)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Best kind of stove for Turkey?
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:01:37 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

I suggest the MSR Internationale or X-GK II stoves.  Finding fuel for them 
should present few problems.  Be sure and get the maintenance kit to go with
it.  Impure fuels really gum up a stove.

As an aside, have you checked the most recent travel restrictions in Eastern
Turkey?  It seems like every time the Kurds act up, (which is often), the 
Turks close the area to foriegn travel...
From: tilley@fsh.UUCP (Tom Tilley)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Sierra Club Outings
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:23:20 GMT
Reply-To: tilley@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale

In article <1993Jan7.082010.22847@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:

>Remember when the bear comes, you only have to walk faster than your wife.

Indeed, the age of chivary is long dead!  :-)

Tom.
#--------------------------------------------------#
| Tom Tilley                                       |
| Internet : tilley@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com   |
From: Ecology Center <ecologycntr@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Date: 11 Jan 93 10:15 PST
Subject: Re: Food Dehydrators and Food for Backp
Nf-ID: #R:1993Jan9.163002.46267@kuhub.cc.u:1692748595:cdp:1449600058:000:905
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!ecologycntr    Jan 11 10:15:00 1993


I second the endorsement of the Harvest Maid dehydrator. 

It costs about 80, around these parts (sf bay area), but that's about
the cost of two weeks worth of flavorless packaged backpacking food. And
with the drier, you get to make things like:

dried kiwis
dried strawberries
dried black olives (which, with dried bell pepper and a leather made of
any bottled (or homemade) tomato pasta sauce, gives you _real_ pasta
sauce which is ready to eat in <5minutes @ 10,000')
beef jerky marinated rather than smoked, meaning fewer calories used
masticating plank-like pieces of former cow.

The chief advantages of the harvest maid are the fan, which dries things
faster than just the heating coil; the thermostat, which allows you to change
the temperature at which you dry (though I usually just set it to maximum, about 140 F), and the expandability: you can put up to 12 trays on the thing.

$0.02

chris
From: ford@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Harry Ford)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: North Face sleeping bags /PAcks
Date: 4 Jan 93 11:37:03 GMT
Reply-To: ford@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Harry Ford)
Distribution: na
Organization: ADVANCED DOUBLE HULL DESIGN TEAM

In rec.backcountry, brodesky@td2cad.intel.com (Michael Brodesky) writes:
>        I plan to pick up a North face sleeping bag and Pack. I would
>like to spend about 120 to 180 for the bag and the same for the pack.
>Any recommendations?


    I have a North Face Cat's Meow (long). It costs $145.00 in the Campmor
catalog. They list it as good down to 20F, but I find 25F to be a better
low range for this bag. All in all I've been real happy with it.

Harry
From: hall@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Hal F Lillywhite)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Altitude sickness preparation
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:20:50 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

In article <29623@optima.cs.arizona.edu> evans@cs.arizona.edu (Richard C. Evans) writes:
>This is interesting. I have never been one for homeopathic medicines, but AS
>might be a good example of where homeopathic medicines are uniquely suited.
>I'm taking a team of 12 Venture Boy Scouts to 11,000 feet (they are aclimatized
>to 4800 ft) in March and would be willing to do a field test (assuming their
>parents don't object).  A few questions:

>1.  What is the physiological effect of coca?
>2.  Are there side effects?
>3.  How can I get the medicines?
>4.  What dosage?
>5.  How do I set the test up so that it is scientificaly valid?

Well, 12 subjects is a rather small sample size, I wouldn't expect
to get any really meaningful results from this.  However if you want
to do the test anyway you should do a double blind test to avoid the
placebo effect:

1.  Get somebody to make up 12 numbered doses of "medicine."  Half
must be placebos and half the substance under test.  They should be
numbered randomly and neither you nor the scouts can have any idea
which is which.

2.  Give each scout a numbered dose, keeping track of who gets which
number.

3.  Keep track of who gets symptoms of altitude sickness and how
severe.

4.  *After* you return match up the symptoms with the numbers and
with information as to who got placebos and who got the real thing.

5.  Do the appropriate statistical analysis to determine if there is
a difference with a good confidence level (eg. 90%).  I can help
with this if you want.  Be aware that this is where the small sample
size will hurt, only 6 in each group is not likely to give any
statistically meaningful results.
From: hall@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Hal F Lillywhite)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Cold Weather Clothing (was Anyone climb Mt. Washington recently?)
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:08:08 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

In article <lkohagINNm85@news.bbn.com> clacey@bbn.com (Chris Lacey) writes:

>  One time my bro' & I were just above the boot spur, -15F or so, 
>20-30mph winds, good visibility.  We stopped for some grub and by the time 
>we finished the winds were strong enough to blow my bro' off his feet (& then 
>some) & vis. was down to nothing.  I had wool pants over fake pile over heavy 
>poly over cotton briefs & by the time we got down into the trees (maybe an 
>hour or two) my crotch & thighs were numb.

Except for the cotton briefs (which hold moisture near certain
sensitive anatomical features - you might consider replacing them
with some form of synthetic) you were wearing some very good
insulation.  The problem was undoubtedly the wind which can reduce
insulation value of clothing to a fraction of what it is in still
air.  I might suggest you add some good wind resistant pants over
the insulating layers.  This would greatly improve their effective
insulating value in windy weather.  Goretex is good if you can
afford it.  However the legs usually tend to sweat less than the
upper body so even cheap vinyl can be very useful.  cf _Hypothermia
and Other Cold Injuries_ by Wilkenson, Bangs and Haywood (my memory
may fail me on the exact title and spelling of authors names but it
is on the reading list Eugene posts periodically.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap
From: klwright@eos.ncsu.edu (KENNETH LEE WRIGHT)
Subject: 486/33MB & 250Mb Tape
Originator: klwright@c00373-247dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: klwright@eos.ncsu.edu (KENNETH LEE WRIGHT)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:27:05 GMT


Forsale


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                          IDE Controller, 2s/1P. Less than a year 
                          old. $475. with 4MB Ram add $75. with
                          8MB RAM add $150.

250 MB 1/4" Tape Drive    Made by Sanyo. Internal drive unit with 
                          includes controler, software, cables and
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                          months old. $250.


All prices are Neg. Please Call (919) 954 - 8647 Ask for Jeff
or e-mail klwright@eos.ncsu.edu please include phone number.

thanks 
ken
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap
From: crisp@netcom.com (Richard Crisp)
Subject: Re: CEI (Watkins Johnson) VLF receivers for sale
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:25:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.190207.16045@netcom.com> crisp@netcom.com (Richard Crisp) writes:
>I have two military VLF receivers made by CEI (Watkins Johnson these days).
>One is the model 355 the other is the 357. Both have remarkable sensitivity,
>capability of accepting 50 or 1000 ohm antennas (loop vs wire) and are
>designed for 19" rack mounting. They have SSB and AM demodulators and 
>a complement of IF filtering ranging from 150Hz to 50khz.
>
>These babies are built well and like most WJ stuff, look like they
>could withstand a burst of fire from a .50 cal machine gun. They are all
>solid state too.
>


I should add that despite the fact that these are really rugged, they are
not giant boat anchors. They are about 4" tall and are standard 19" 
rack mount. 

I also have a WJ amplified speaker for them as well I didn't mention
in the previous posting. It has the same styling and has a selector
switch that allows up to 6 (I think) receivers to be connected to it.

I will not sell it alone, but for an extra $50 you can have it with the
receiver of your choice. If you want  both receivers, I will throw in the
amplified speaker unit for free.

Some folks have asked what the receivers are good for. Well I find that
there are a of navigation beacons in that range as well as several
military RTTY stations. There are also travellers advisories as well
as aviation advisories in the frequency range they cover (DC to 600KHZ).
I have picked up all of this from my QTH in Cupertino Ca. Of course
there are many longwave broadcasters in Europe that the folks on the
East Coast of the US may  be able to receive.

My favorite use for them is for subcarrier work on the military FM
wideband systems. 

At any rate they are well made, have lots of gold plated connectors etc
and work well and are in good shape.


-- 
Richard Crisp                 Cupertino, Ca.                crisp@netcom.com
(415) 903-3832 wk                                         (408) 253 4541 fax
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap
From: stickler@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Patric M Stickler)
Subject: WANTED: Inexpensive HF Rig
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:07:21 GMT

I am looking to buy an inexpensive HF rig. The only requirements are that it
be fully functional (not in need of any repair or "missing" parts), and works
on 80-40-15-10 meters. I would prefer a tranceiver, but also will consider a
transmitter/receiver pair. 

Please reply via email to psti@wsoy.fi


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  WSOY - Information Systems Division    do not necessarily reflect the
  Helsinki, FINLAND    (psti@wsoy.fi)    official views of my employer.
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From: gklein@cattell.psych.upenn.edu (Garrett Klein)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap
Subject: WANTED: 4CX300A Tubes
Date: 13 Jan 93 03:59:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

As the title states, I am looking for 4CX300A tubes - preferably new ones.
If you have any that you want to sell, just leave me your asking price.

Thanks in advance,

Garrett, WZ3G


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University of Pennsylvania |  H:215-222-8752  W:215-898-8584  N3KZ:215-898-8538
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap
From: mellob@cary112.its.rpi.edu (Yesemite Sam)
Subject: RE: Military Surplus 
Reply-To: mellob@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:58:00 GMT


             Fair Radio Sales Co.
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap
From: sschend@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steve E Schendel)
Subject: SCOM 6K for sale
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:53:45 GMT

A couple of people pointed out that I put the wrong model number down for the 
repeater controller for sale.
I have a SCOM 6K repeater controller for sale.  $400 OBO.
If you would like additional information on the SCOM controller, either EMAIL 
me or contact me at 798-0118.