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From: nilles@plains.NoDak.edu (Allen Nilles)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Vader's weakened character
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:44:13 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1bclj8INNt8d@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> ST201714@brownvm.brown.edu writes:
> I've always wanted to discuss with people:  DOes anyone else notice how
> Vader's character "weakens" as the movies progress?  I mean, in SW...he was
>presented as being VERY powerful, and undefeatable, to a point.  Then in TESB,
>we are introduced to the EMperor, and suddenly we see Vader as weak, and
>submissive, and he is even wounded in a duel with Luke.
 
If you have had any martial arts training, you could see how
this relates. When I first started, my sensei looked, well, *unbeatable*
but as I advanced I could see his mistakes.This could be the same thing,
as Luke advanced in his training and knowledge Vader looked less
*unbeatable*

> Then in ROTJ, Vader is
> totally restricted.  Everything done, is carried out on the Emperor's orders,
>and Vader, to me, comes off as a lackey (sp.?).  Here Luke defeats him, and he
>dies. It was just disappointing to watch probably the best villain created
>weaken and die.  It wasn't even an admirable death...the Emperor would have
>died in the explosion of the DS (Luke would have lasted long enough to divert
>the Emperor's concentration).  Any comments?

I think this is just due to the increase of inportance of the Emporer. In
ANH he was just *there* In the next 2 movies is import increased. Well
that is just MY $.02.

Allen Wrench
From: g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Archive Update
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:59:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw4ynz.4GC
Reply-To: g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Originator: gamg6900@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:
>	The Jedi script has been updated. I guess there were numerous
>errors from the original creator, due to the inacurracy of the scanner
>he used. Also he had the Lando death scene in it. The updated script
>is the movie, and the Lando death scene can now be found in the file:
>/starwars/Scripts/Jedi_Revision.Z 
>	Also a question on the Jedi script.  The format is different
>then the other 2. Would people perfer to have them all match? If I get
>a big responce on the positive, I will but the effort in to re-edit it.

Hey, what's the deal here? I spent 22 hours of my time making sure the
Jedi script exactly matched the shooting script of the movie. If you want
to have another version that exactly matches the final movie, fine, but
I wanted the shooting script to be made available. The script is, after all,
what the movie was made from, and not just a written version of the movie.
Some people (like me) enjoy seeing how the scripts evolved from draft to
draft to final movie, and you have removed that information. The format is
different because I exactly reproduced the shooting script including scene
numbers (scene numbers are cool -- check the appendices of 
_The Making of Return of the Jedi_ or the complete mess of the shooting 
script for TESB). If you want a sanitized version I still have the original
Microsoft Word document and it would take about zero time to make an
information-poor version.

When I posted the script I also asked that I be informed of any errors, so
I would appreciate if someone would forward a list of these "numerous errors"
to me. The few email messages I did receive were all due to network
transmission errors.

					Annoyed Greg Martin
					g-martin1@uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: pm3z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Paul Joseph Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Next Swars movie
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:52:44 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Dann Cutter writes:
> I can't really say where I got this but... this is just to confirm any
> doubt: There is another SW movie (series) being made. Can't say any more...

    Not to attack the poster of this article, but this is one hell of a
loaded statement to make around here... (this is also how rumors get
started!)

------------------------------------------------------------
Paul J. Mitchell                  Carnegie Mellon University
pm3z@andrew.cmu.edu                 Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
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"I'm going to Disney World!"
The views expressed are those of the author only.
From: rku45136@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rajiv Udani)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Fall of the Republic-question
Summary: sw
Keywords: sw
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:52:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw8FCC.54w
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


A few years a go I got a synopsis/outline of Star Wars-Episode III. It is
called 'Fall of the Republic'. (actually, i think i remember seeing it posted
on this newsgroup last spring). Well, my question is:is this legitimate? It is
has a red cover and says it is from 1983. Also, is this a real 'collectors'
item/is it worth anything?

thanks
rajiv
From: pm3z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Paul Joseph Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: No more movies?
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:01:16 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: barmiyan@wam.umd.edu (Amy Rebecca Ewing)
Subject: Lucasfilm address
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 15:47:58 GMT

Could someone please e-mail me the address for Lucasfilm? I don't
want the address for the fanclub, I want the one for the company
that produces the movies, approves the books, etc. 

thanks,
brian
barmiyan@wam.umd.edu

Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: dufortm@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Dufort Michel)
Subject: Tie-fighters' BIG side panels
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 15:00:31 GMT


	Do you remember "The last StarFighter"?

	The gunner had some sort of computer graphics projected
	on the panels of the ship so he still could see the enemy,
	even when they were behind those same panels.

	What about the Tie-fighters? I know they could go faster
	than the X-wings so that they could always have a sight of
	what they were shooting at. Still, those big 'solar' panels on the side
	of the ship must block a lot of the view. If an X-wing came from
	your blind spots... 

	At least in the X-wings you can turn your head like in a car
	but in a Tie-fighter, you're in a bubble, completely surrounded.

	Any fighter-pilot with an opinion on this?

						Michel Dufort
From: hofle@cs.utexas.edu (Andrew Christopher Hofle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Star Wars font??
Date: 9 Oct 1992 02:59:09 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.cs.utexas.edu


Anybody out there know if there is a font like the one used in the 
immortal StarWars title for the mac?  If so, know where I can get it?

Thanks alot!

Post or e-mail to hofle@cs.utexas.edu
From: ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink)
Subject: The real story on the new ROTJ script
Organization: Turkey Hall
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:39:54 GMT

Okay, guys, let me clear things up.  I sent in the changed version of the
ROTJ script.  The differences are as follows:

	Approximately ten scanner errors -- things like a "1" being scanned
		in instead of an "I", and a comma instead of a period, etc.
		Only about TEN of these.

	The Lando scene was taken out and put in a separate file.  This
		wasn't even my doing -- I just moved it to the end.

	The page headers (page numbers, etc) were taken out.  This is the
		biggest change, and the only worthwhile one.  The format is
		now such that the script reads straight through with no
		page boundaries or anything.

That's all, folks.  So if you'd like to download a copy of the script in this
format, fine, if not, it is no big deal.  *NO* significant changes were made,
and NOTHING was changed in the content, wording, or anything else of the
script itself.
-- 
"Ha--uh, uh, uh, uh, huuuhhhh?"                           -- Sam Stoddard
"YYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA...HA...HA...HA...HOOOOEEYY!!!"    -- Goofy
"Ahweehrwyyhwhryrhwwehrwehrwrhwherr...."                  -- Dick Van Dyke
"Yerhudurdhrrdrhudrtdhtudhrtduhtddhrtur...."              -- Sebastian
"Yabba dabba doo!!"                                       -- Fred Flintstone
"Habba, habba, ha-hhhhhaaaaa...."                         -- Jackie Gleason
"HABBA HABBADA HABBADA HABBADA, what goes here?"          -- Professor Jacoby
From: z_totahmc@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Book out?
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:21:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: ccsvax.1992Oct8.122120.1425
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

DOes anyone know when the ne Zahn book will be out?  Are there any  other
books besides Zahn's out there? Im new to the Star Wars new 
merchandise out.  What's out there?  How do I join the fan club?
 


My dad was a small claims court jester
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Luke's lightsaber
Date: 16 Oct 92 11:45:38 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
In-reply-to: albusacc@eos.ncsu.edu's message of Fri, 16 Oct 1992 03:42:28 GMT

>>>>> On Fri, 16 Oct 1992 03:42:28 GMT, albusacc@eos.ncsu.edu (ALEXANDRIA LIN BUSACCA) said:

albusacc> Originator: albusacc@c00504-119rd.eos.ncsu.edu


albusacc> I was watching ROTJ & noticed that during the scene at the
albusacc> Rancor pit when Luke uses his lightsaber to fend off his
albusacc> attackers all the lightsaber does is either knock then over
albusacc> or push them out of the way.  In ESB when Luke and Vader are
albusacc> dueling Vader cuts off Luke's hand.  Is there some special
albusacc> reason why the lightsaber does not do any damage to any
albusacc> other part of the body except the hands, also in ROTJ when
albusacc> Vader & Luke duel for the second time Luke slices off
albusacc> Vader's hand.  (Like father like son ;} )

Becaues Jedi wouldn't have gotten a PG rating with body parts flying
about. 


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From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Lynch directing SW (Re: Cast of 'Prefix' T
Date: 15 Oct 92 07:13:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Oct15.001333.2312
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

In <1992Oct14.132715.21955@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au>
braca2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BRAY CHRISTOPHER) writes:

>pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras) writes:
>
>>>If it would have been anything like Dune (Long Version), ROTJ
>
>>Ohhhhh......Ick !!!!  Jedi like Dune ????  Let me guess, Jabba would be a
>>large facelss worm that snakes through the sands of Tatooine, both Rebel
>>and Imperial forces (or at lest the actors) would not have a clue, and, the
>>the film's most touching scene, Yoda, just before his death, instructs Luke
>>on how to properly scream at the Emperor....
>
>Hey dickwad, dont insult a great movie.  RotJ would be nothing like Dune,
>for starters Lynch probably would have not written very much of the script
>(one of the reasons Dune is soooo far out), and would have had some input
>from Lucas, creating a very well rounded, fascinating film; and I agree
>it would have surpassed any other sf film around.
>
>hook


Well, as for dickwad, sorry, you have obviously mistaken me for you. And as
for Dune....I did *NOT* insult a great movie....Dune, as a movie, sucked!

Dave
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: pinette@fraser.sfu.ca (Gandolf the 23rd)
Subject: Re: Returning Jedi
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:44:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.093501.9307@vax.oxford.ac.uk> fraser@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>In article <92278.022649MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu>, MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu writes:
>> re: Return (or Revenge) or the Jedi:
>> 
>> I always thought that the 'return' was by Luke, who so well recovered from his
>>... 
>> But looking at the title with Anakin (or the Jedi in particular) as making a
>> return does look rather interesting...
>> ...
>> 
>> Mike
>> ---
> I believe that in French the title was _Le Retour *du* Jedi_ (singular), and
>have always supposed that the Jedi doing the returning was Anakin; after all, 
>it is he who kills the Emp. and so overthrows the Empire - there was no way 
>Luke could have done that.
> In ANH incidentally I think the new hope is Luke - Leia says that Obi Wan
>is "my only hope", but in fact it is Luke who rescues her, blows up the DS and
>eventually indirectly helps bring down the Empire.
> Just my HO, 
>
>Rich.

Well of course Luke is the new hope....at that time of the story, it 
is believed that there are only 3 jedis left....2 of them were in
hiding and were getting pretty darn old (Yoda, OB1, and Vader).
Luke being 'strong with the force ..like his father' was without
a shadow of a doubt, the new hope.....As for the return of the jedi,
I believe the title is simply a paradox between the father and son team.
Just a thought.



Quote of the day..
'Master Yoda, I can't pick up my peas!'
'Use the fork luke!...It will be with you....always.'


---------------------Gandolf.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: rutled@bnr.ca (Philip Rutledge)
Subject: WANTED:  STAR WARS CARDS
Reply-To: rutled@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:34:58 GMT

If you have any O-Pee-Chee versions of the Star Wars, Empire, Raiders of
the Lost Ark or  Superman,  the Movie  trading  cards and are willing to
trade or sell please contact me at rutled@bnr.ca

Keep in mind I'm looking for the O-Pee-Chee (ie:  produced in Canada) as
opposed to the Topps (ie:  produced in the USA) versions of the cards.

Thanks,
Phil

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......................................................................
Philip Rutledge (rutled@bnr.ca)                  Bell-Northern Research
"Stupid, Stupid rat creatures!!" -- Fone Bone                   Bone #2
......................................................................
From: zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (John Grabowski)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Vaders death
Date: 11 Oct 92 03:08:49 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Jeffrey Jon Kabbe (yyrkoon@morris.engin.umich.edu) wrote:
: 
: You're all wrong about Vader's death. He died from one serious effect that
: has hounded thousands like him: Dramatic effect.
: 
: Deal with it.
: 
: Jeff



*I* always thought he died because his eggshell-head cracked open...


John
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: dgoldman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Daniel Robert Goldman)
Subject: Re: Vader's Death
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:52:09 GMT

sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter) writes:
>By the way, exactly how well-trained in the Force does one have to be 
>before one earns the privilege of having one's body dematerialize upon
>death?  Any theories?

Well, here's my 2 cents:  Although we do not know Obi-Wan's age, we know that 
Yoda is several centuries old (is it 800?  Somewhere around there), and when 
Luke says "You can't die!"  Yoda says, "Strong am I with the Force, but not 
that strong."  (OK, I'm paraphrasing:  I've only seen it 3 or 4 times, and not
recently).  So my theory is, although Yoda cannot prevent death, he can 
postpone it.  When he could no longer hold on to life, the body which had been 
held together by the Force simply dissolved.  It's not too far-fetched to be-
lieve that Obi-Wan was also considerably older than the average human, because
he could use the Force in the same way.

So here's the problem with that:  Why doesn't Darth Vader dematerialize too?
And for that matter, why does he need that special armour to keep him alive?
I think the best explanation is that the Dark Side of the Force has the
opposite effect: it causes decay.  This is also why the Emperor is so decrepit.
I once tried to put together a timeline of events prior to the films, and the
one thing that didn't fit was how the Emperor got to be so damn old.  I think
he is described in one of the novelizations as a "young Senator" before he
starts his bid for power, which I interpreted to mean no older than 35, and
Luke and Leia are around 20 in SW, maybe 25 by ROTJ, so even if didn't turn 
Anakin for 10 years after he became Senator, he could only be 65-70 (and 
probably younger).  The only reasonable explanation was that he aged very 
quickly after mastering the power of the Dark Side.  (A similar effect is 
described in the new SW comics, but it had occurred to me before I read them. 
Feel free to use them as justification if you like to think of them as canon, 
but I don't.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Date: Fri,  9 Oct 1992 03:52:33 -0400 
From: Edward John Sabol <es2j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Archive File updates

Scott,

I have about 5 megabytes of sounds from Star Wars, Empire, and ROTJ for
the Macintosh. Would you be interested in them for the SW ftp archive?
There has been some interest in sound files in the newsgroup. They are
all very good quality sounds. I guess the real question is whether you
have the room? I believe I read a message a while back where you said
you had less than 4 megs. I bet you have even less now. Have you gotten
any more space yet?

Later,
Ed
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: tigerman@athena.mit.edu (Guillermo E Gutierrez)
Subject: Re: pictures.
Keywords: 	Does anybody know where I could get good pictures of SW-related
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:18:20 GMT

	Also, does anybody know what name and code I need to get into
vab02.larc.nasa.gov?  I heard they have some decent SW pictures there.

		Thanks in advance
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars,alt.mythology
From: lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim)
Subject: Re: ROTJ-Lynch, ROTJ-Soap Opera
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:56:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.164319.27084@njitgw.njit.edu> bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:

>Well, not knowing much about what Graves, et. al., have said, I
>can't really say much about that.  I suppose I also shouldn't
>have assumed all the realtionships were pre-defined, but they
>sure seemed to have been (at least, from what I've been told).
>I certainly don't think that the Greek writers went around
>arbitrarily making random characters relatives for no apparant
>reason.  But then again, I could be wrong on that, as well.


	Welll, you could be right about Greek writers/playwrights not suddenly
relating two hitherto unrelated characters. My grasp of classical lit has
molded over sinced graduation. But according to Robert Graves et al., a great
deal of Greek myth and legend sprang from the collision of matriarchal and
patriarchal cultures-- for example, all of the stories about Zeus' affairs
with goddesses and queens and so forth represent a priest-king's conquest of
the local priestess-queen. Something like that, anyway. But this matter has
drifted way out of r.a.s.s (note crossposting).

	I do think that some of the classical writers arbitrarily invented
characters who were related to other, pre-existing characters; for example,
in _The Libation-Bearers_, by <mumble> (Aeschylus?), there appears 
Chyrsothemis, a daughter of Clytemnestra and Agamemnon who isn't referred to
anywhere else in mythology or classical lit. But then, see my last sentence
from the previous paragraph.


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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: pjm6z@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Dave Lister)
Subject: Re: No more movies?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 20:46:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.183114.1108@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim)) writes:
>In article <mumble> wool8657@mach1.wlu.ca (john woolsey 9209 U) writes:
>
>>I remember hearing somewhere that Lucas said he would film movie VII when
>                                                                  ^^^
>
>Just to be picky, that should be movie I, since the next movie should
>be the start of the first trilogy.
>

Why, what makes you the authority of which trilogy Lucas will do next if
he even does one at all?  Personally I see absolutely no point to the
first trilogy even being put onto the screen.

Dave Lister
lister@virginia.edu

-- 
"On the one hand we have Holly a computer with the IQ in excess of 12 thousand
 who has a total grasp of astrophysics.  On the other we have Lister, who, and
 let's be fair, is a complete and total gimp."
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: redfive@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Vian Lawson)
Subject: Re: Marquand
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 02:02:28 GMT

In <Bw4uKM.7CE@acsu.buffalo.edu> v113np2v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (George D Emmons) writes:

>Yup, died about two-three years back. AIDS-related, pneumonia, I
>believe. It was printed in the LFC newsletter.

Yes, and no.  His obituary (in the papers over here) said his death was
caused by a massive stroke.  So sad in one so young ...

>                                    George...

Cheers,
	Vian.
-- 
  "They've shut down the main reactor"   /  ^  \  Vian Lawson. 
  "Oh no!  That means we'll have to     |  \ /  | Otherwise known as  
  react on our own ..."                  \_____/ redfive@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Archive News
Date: 12 Oct 92 08:00:29
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu


The Empire script is now available. Also, the .VOC sounds have been 
removed.
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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Book out?
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:46:55
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: z_totahmc@ccsvax.sfasu.edu's message of 8 Oct 92 18:21:20 GMT

>>>>> On 8 Oct 92 18:21:20 GMT, z_totahmc@ccsvax.sfasu.edu said:

z_totahmc> DOes anyone know when the ne Zahn book will be out?  Are
z_totahmc> there any other books besides Zahn's out there? Im new to
z_totahmc> the Star Wars new merchandise out.  What's out there?  How
z_totahmc> do I join the fan club?

The third Zahn book should be out in May 93

The fan club address is

            The Lucasfilm Fan Club
            P.O. Box 111000
            Aurora,  CO  80011
            USA

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