HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jongsma@esseye.si.com (Ken Jongsma)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: "Factory Air"
Date: 15 Aug 92 12:57:14 GMT
Reply-To: jongsma@benzie.si.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Smiths Industries

In <1992Aug14.075205.25453@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman) writes:

>As opposed to what?

Dealer or aftermarket installed. Generally considered to be inferior to
factory air because of one or more of the following:

   1) Undersized engine cooling system
   2) Undersized engine charging system
   3) Requires rerouting of engine wiring and/or vacuum hoses
   4) Inferior vent controls. Either uses non-air controls with
      an "A/C" switch or replaces factory vent control with
      aftermarket unit.

Note that it used to be standard for Japanese cars to be shipped sans
air with the importer ("X" of America) or dealer installing the a/c.
Given that 80-90% of the cars sold in the US have air, they may be
installed at the factory now.

Sales sleaze have great line about how you can't tell the difference.
Bull. They like the massive commission they get. A/C is a big profit
maker.


-- 
Ken Jongsma                                          ken@wybbs.mi.org
Smiths Industries                               jongsma@benzie.si.com
Grand Rapids, Michigan                      73115.1041@compuserve.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough)
Subject: Re: $758 for an oil change?
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 20:24:00 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Aug18.181916.22971@bnr.ca> jcyuhn@crchh574.BNR.CA (James Yuhn) writes:
>   
>  The Taurus has no grease fittings, so one doesn't 
>  require a front end lube. 
 
Danger Will Robinson. The absence of zerk fittings doesn't mean the
front-end doesn't need to be lubed. It just means the manufacturer
was too cheap to put grease fittings in the grease points! Instead,
with many cars, the drill is to pull the plug, put a fitting in,
pump the grease, and replace the plug. Or, for the finicky among us,
to pull the plug, add the fitting pump the grease in, leave the fitting,
get another fitting for the next grease point, pull the plug...
 
And the next time, it's a normal lube-job (or what used to be normal,
'cause it seems that ALL manufacturers now cut the corner on zerk
fittings).


Greg
From: bragg@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Aquatic Joe)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee Holdbacks?
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:06:51 GMT
Organization: The Green Circle Of Vengence

In article <omjtj5s@fido.asd.sgi.com> lauro@kauai.esd.sgi.com (Lauro B. Manalac) writes:
> Or, maybe I should just get
>the Explorer. Inquiring minds want to know. Well, at least, my wife's & mine
>want to know.

What ever you do, DONT'T buy an Explorer!  That's the wosre excuse for a vehicle
I've seen in a loong time!  If you don't get the Grand Cherokee, get a regular
one, they're much better!

-- 
Adam Bragg                  |  Tick: Hand Grenade Man? What's your super power??
bragg@freezer.cns.udel.edu  |  HGM: Super powers? Bah who needs them? I have
darkwing@ravel.udel.edu     |        HAND GRENADES!
                          SPOON!
From: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: RE: INTEGRA SUSPENSION.
Date: 22 Aug 92 13:27:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 

-> Well if this is the case, how can you tell the struts have given way.
-> I have 33K on my 89 LS, and the ride is still fine, as far as I can
-> tell.

  Well, it all actully depends on where and how you drive your car, some
people's shock and springs will last longer than yours.  If your drive
fast, take turns at high speeds, go over bumpy or bad roads, or have
been over potholes, it needs to be changed.  It's hard to tell if you
need new struts or springs because it's so gradual, many people don't
notice it, and that's why many people don't replace the shocks until
70,000 miles.  BUT, if you were able to test drive a BRAND NEW 89'
INTEGRA, then you would notice the difference.  I have a 91' GS w/ 25k
on it, I went in and test drove a new 92' GS at the dealer and could
notice the difference.  If you were to get new ones, you would notice
the difference.  If you get any, make sure you get HIGH-PERFORMANCE ones
like Toqico's or Koni's.  They probably will run you about  $260 for the
front pair and  $152 for the rear pair  (plain Tokico high-performance).
Tokico Illumina (adjustable gas shocks) are even more:  $332 for front
pair and $264 for the rear pair.  Or even better yet, BILSTEIN shocks
for the European ride:  $478 for the fron pair and $218 for the rear
pair.
  When changing shocks/struts it's always best to do all four of them so
they won't wear down unevenly and alter the ride.  It costs alot for
changing shocks/struts, but after all, that's one of the things your car
rides on....

 Erich Lim
 erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us
                                                                                                           
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Subject: Personal to johnson@wrs.com
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 07:25:41 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

Regarding the Hotrod Mailing list.  Your site has been bouncing mail
since 07/07.  I've tried placing you back on the list several times
only to have mail bounce back.  Mail from you is OK.   

John
-- 
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From: paul@maruba.tdd.sj.nec.com (Paul Gordon  x3856)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Mail Order Tires
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:42:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NEC-AM TDD, San Jose, California


  I am think about order tires via mail order from The Tire Rack. My only
concern is getting them mounted and balanced. Have other people used mail
order for tires, and did they find their local tire stores would fit them?
The two places I tried were not interested in doing it and instead attempted
to sell me tires.

  Thanks,

    Paul
From: thatchh@hplsla.hp.com (Thatch Harvey)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:16:42 GMT
Subject: Re: T-Bird turbo coupe
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.autos




          The Ford factory repair manual could be the best option for you.

I bought the one for my Merkur. It comes from a publication department at
Ford, and has some excellent sections on diagnostic procedures and how to
narrow down possible causes etc. There is a lot of theory on noise, vibration
and harshness, and flow charts on troubleshooting. Try 800-782-4356.


                      Thatch Harvey
From: dlou@troi.UCSD.Edu (Dennis Lou)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Does anyone like the new Prelude?
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:56:07 GMT
Reply-To: dlou@ece.ucsd.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, San Diego


In article <1992Aug12.170735.24996@natinst.com>, davoli@natinst.com (Russell J. Davoli) writes:
|> I also took a short test drive in one, and was really underwhelmed by the
|> interior and dash.  The Prelude has a number of indicators set off to the
|> passenger side of the dash, much like my '86 200SX, and I find that under
|> most conditions I either can't see them or don't notice them.  Some people
|> may not care since I think all of those indicators were "idiot lights", but
|> it seems stupid to me that if you're going to the trouble to add an indicator
|> of any sort to put it where the driver may not notice it.  I guess it
|> encourages you to always have a codriver to watch those lights. :-)

I too dislike gauges and lights on the passenger side of the dash.

However, I would like to point out that there is one case where having
a guage on the passenger side is preferable.

On the Lotus Super Seven, the speedometer was on the passenger's side;
this, in my opinion, is where it belongs.  Passengers deserver entertainment
and co-pilots need to compute time/speed data.  If you can't tell you are going
too fast or too slow, there is something wrong with you.

Flame away :-)

-- 
Dennis Lou   "Give me my tach, oil pressure and temp guage and I'll be happy"
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: meiboy@tsoft.sf-bay.org (MeiBoy of UCU)
Subject: Re: $758 for an oil change?
Organization: The TeleSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 7958
Distribution: usa 
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 22:15:55 GMT

In article <jimf.714411983@centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>In your previous posting you mentioned that independent mechanics
>might screw up your car.  My dealer's mechanic did me the favor of not
 ^^^^^
Already had a car screwed

>screwing on my oil cap tight enough and it eventually vibrated off.
>If I hadn't caught it early that could have been an engine-killer
>mistake, and that was while doing a simple oil change!
>
>The dealer mechanics usually aren't much better than independents
>(sometimes they're worse) -- they just charge more for both the parts
>and the labor.
>

The dealer does have a 90 day warranty on anything they do.

>jim frost
>jimf@centerline.com
From: terst1+@pitt.edu (Timothy E. Rapp)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: New '93 Nissan Quest Stats!
Keywords: minivan, wagon, 1993, new
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:49:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: blue.4949
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

(Taken directly from Nissan Quest 1993 Glossy.)
* = standard
o = optional
							  MODEL
Mechanical Features					XE	GXE	
-------------------------------------------------------------------
3.0-liter SOHC V6 engine				*	*
Sequential multi-point fuel injection			*	*
Front-wheel drive					*	*
Electronically controlled 4-speed automatic		*	*
	overdrive transmission
Independent front suspension with stabilizer		*	*
	bar/beam rear axle with leaf springs
Power-assisted rack-and-pinion steering			*	*
Power-assisted brakes (front vented disc/rear drum)	*	*
Anti-lock Braking System (ABS)				o	o
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Air conditioning					*	*
Rear air conditioning/rear heater controls		o	*
	(requires Power package)
Power rear quarter windows				n/a	*
Cruise control						o	*
Power sliding glass sunroof w/tilt feature and shade	n/a	o
Side and rear privacy glass				o	*
Dual liftgate with opening glass hatch			n/a	*
Aluminum alloy wheels					o	*
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Power Package - includes power front windows,		o	*
	dual power mirrors and power door locks

Convenience Package - includes privacy glass, Deluxe	o	*
	AM/FM/cassette stereo audio system, cruise
	control, luggage rack, lockable under-seat
	storage, leather-wrapped steering wheel, and
	illuminated passenger visor vanity mirror
	(requires Power Package)

Luxury Package - includes Digital Touch Entry System	n/a	o
	(illuminated), 4-way power passenger seat,
	auto lamp, Premium AM/FM/cassette audio system
	with 8 speakers and subwoofer, and captains chair

Leather Package - includes leather seating surfaces	n/a	o
	(requires Luxury Package)

Exta Performance Package - includes 3500-lb towing	o	o
	capacity, alloy wheels (XE), 215/70R15 tires
	(205/75R15 are standard), full-size spare tire,
	heavy-duty battery and radiator, tuned springs
	and shock absorbers, and rear stabilizer bar
	(requires optional ABS)
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Engine Type				VG30E SOHC V6
Displacement				3.0 liters (2960 cc)
Horsepower @ rpm (SAE net)		151 hp @ 4800 rpm
Torque @ rpm (SAE net)			174 ft-lbs @ 4400 rpm
Compression ratio			9.0:1
Valvetrain				2 valves/cylinder
-------------------------------------------------------------------
	Exterior Dimensions (inches)
Wheelbase				112.2
Overall length				189.9
Overall width				73.7
Overall height				67.7
Tread width Front			63.4
Tread width Rear			63.4
-------------------------------------------------------------------
	Capacities and Weights
Interior volume (MVMA)			126.4 cu. ft.
Fuel Tank (gals.)			20
EPA Mileage Estimates (Hwy/City) mpg	23/17
Curb weight (XE/GXE) lbs. est	 	3783/3970
Towing capacity (lbs.)			2000 (without extra perf. pack)
--------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: bdboyle@erenj.com (Bryan D. Boyle)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.sport,rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.vw
Subject: Re: reliable cars
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:50:40 GMT
Organization: Exxon Research and Engineering, NJ

In article <1992Aug18.170909.12764@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> tgpt_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tom Guptill) writes:
>I _HIGHLY_ recommend an '81 or later Rabbit Diesel.  I know someone who has
>750,000 miles on one he drives daily, I had one that I sold with 305,000
>miles on it (it still got 40-45 mpg on the hwy) and I currently own one with
>about 125,000 miles on it.  (My _new_ one.)  They're cheap to run, reliable,
>can use most parts from 81-84 water cooled VW's, and sound like a school bus
>when you start them in cold weather.  (Who could ask for more?)  And I never
>had any trouble with the old one in cold weather--even if I didn't plug it
>in at -10f.  If you have any questions about the car, get in touch with me. 
>Anyone else have any long-lived diesels out there?
>
1980 Diesel Rabbit #1 (callaway turbo conversion) 235,000
1980 Diesel Rabbit #2 (ex-wife got it...at last count) 350,000
1984 Diesel Rabbit #3 240,000 (wrecked on slippery road on way to
airport)
1988 Golf 145,000 

Nah, don't know of any long-life cars....:-)
 
Bryan D. Boyle     | Opinions are mine, not Exxon's...
Senior Engineer    | Twisted Pair : 908 730 3338
Exxon Research and | Through the Air: Cherokee N7068W
Engineering Co.    |
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From: trung@sundance.SJSU.EDU (Trung Tran)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: TOYOTA's timing belt
Keywords: Timing belt, 60000, crankshaft...
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:09:05 GMT
Organization: San Jose State University - Math/CS Dept.

I hope someone out there with some expertise on this can help me.  For the
last 2, 3 years, my brother just keep telling me and other TOYOTA owners to
replace the timing belts in our cars after the cars get 60000 miles.
Apparently, some mechanics had told him that the TOYOTA Camry (1985 ..?)
have had some problems with the timing belt.  After 60,000 miles, the
timing belt will very likely be broken, thus, causes the crankshaft to be
bent (???) which will kill the engine.  I swear this is what my brother
keep telling me and everyone else.  I'm getting quite annoyed and worried.
My question is that is this really true?  I can't really see how the broken
timing belt will bend the crankshaft!!!

The other thing is that even if this is true for 1985 TOYOTA Camry, it
doesn't mean that it will happen on all other TOYOTA models.  Shouldn't
TOYOTA come up with a fix to this already?  I've put almost 90,000 miles on
my 89 Supra and I'm pretty sure the timing belt has not been changed yet.
Should I?  Besides, I feel quite stupid to bring the car to the dealer and
tell them to replace the timing belt for no apparent reason, then, I have
to pay them hundreds of dollars too.

If someone has any information on this subject, please enlighten me.  And,
I promise to pass it on to my brother if it's fault information.

Thanks...
-- 
Trung Tran	(408) 924-5106
trung@sjsumcs.SJSU.EDU
Math & Computer Science Dept.
San Jose State University
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971)
Subject: Re: Toyota dealers holdback & getting a fair deal.
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 07:35:23 GMT



Did you ever consider a Chevy S-10. or even a full sized Chevy truck?
I know you could get a much better truck from them and still have a
couple grand left in the bank.  Also if you check the bluebooks I think
you will find the GM trucks will be worth a lot more at trade in time.

Remember Chevy Rules
Dennis

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From: leo@avs.com (Leo O'Donnell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Radar Detector: which one?
Date: 23 Aug 92 14:00:54 GMT
Organization: Advanced Visual Systems Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
X-Posted-From: aurora.avs.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


    Recently, I've found that my favorite way to drive to work
    has become inundated with speed traps. There seems to be
    two kinds; side of the road, and sneak up behind. I'd like
    to keep my driving-record clean, so I'm looking to buy a
    detector. There are a lot to choose from. In your opinion, 
    which one should I buy?

Leo O'Donnell                Email: leo@avs.com
Advanced Visual Systems      Voice: (617) 890-4300 ext 2120
Waltham, MA
From: maurice@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Maurice Liang)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: SF Auto Show
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:52:28 GMT
Organization: HP Pacific Technology Park - Sunnyvale, Ca.


 The San Fransisco Auto Show is ususally held around Thanksgiving at Moscone
 Center in SF.

 The LA show is usually held the last week of December or the first week of
 January.  

 Maurice <Viperholic> Liang
From: charles@c3pe.c3.com (Charles Green)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Looking for wider tires/wheels for '90 Accord
Date: 19 Aug 92 03:04:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: C3, Inc.

Hi,

The original tires on my '90 Accord DX (185/70R14) will need to be replaced
in a few months.  I'd like something with more traction so I don't spin my
wheels in first gear as much getting into the metropolitan rat race, and also
for general safety concerns (emergency cornering/braking).

To me (no expert), that means wider tires.  I'm curious whether anyone out
there has mounted wider tires, and whether they've had any problems with them
rubbing the fender (I don't want to do any bodywork).

If this looks doable, I'd like to get the 'correct' width of wheel for the
tires - not just something in an 'acceptable' range.  Given a choice, I'd
rather not have alloy wheels - I notice lots of glue spots where wheel weights
used to be, in addition to the usual concerns over mounting techniques, etc.
I've heard that there is a 'combination' wheel of some sort, with a steel
rim and an alloy body; does anyone know whether such a beast is available in
the Honda's geometry?  Any remarks on plastic/fiberglass(?) wheels??  For
my purposes, plain ol' steel would be fine.

So, if you know someone who carries wider wheels for Hondas, or have any
experience with wider tires on the current Accord generation, I'd like to
hear - I'll happily summarize any Emailed responses.

Thanks,		Charles Green		charles@c3pe.acs.com
From: dwjz@bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: P175/65-14 winter tires - HELP
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:15:59 GMT
Reply-To: dwjz@bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

I bought a 1992 Civic EX-V (that's an EX for our American friends) last
April.  With winter approaching (I am in Canada, after all), I need to 
buy a set (4) of winter tires.  Here's the problem: the tire size is

P175/65HR14

a _very_ nonstandard size, to say the least.  Nobody, and I mean nobody,
here in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, sells winter tires in this size.
Even Bridgestone Canada hasn't heard of the Bridgestone RE85 all-season 
tires that are currently on the car.  Does anybody have any idea who 
sells good quality winter tires in this size?  Let me know by e-mail or 
in this newsgroup.  I'll mail-order them if I have to.  Thanks a million...
-- 
dwjz@bnr.ca  Voice: +1 613 763-8217  Disclaimer: my opinions only  
From: tracye@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Tracy Evans)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:00:06 GMT
Subject: Re: Ford vs Chevy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971) writes:


                        The 426 Hemi of MOPAR, and the old 427 of FORD.
Unfotrunatly neither of these mills are made today.

ahh, If you look around, I think you will find the 426 is still in production
and I believe the 427 might be too...

tracy
From: simon@wlbr.iipo.gtegsc.com (Mark Simon)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Toyota markup
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:24:26 GMT
Followup-To: ahh@moji.uucp
Distribution: usa
Organization: GTE Federal Systems

In article <1992Aug19.040229.18212@moji.uucp> you write:
>
>	I'm shopping around for a new Toyota Celica here in New York
>state.  Does anyone know what a typical dealer markup is for this car
>(assuming no trade-in)?  Is there any other way to find this out
>besides risking being zombified by the salespeople?
>
>Thanks.
>
>-- 
>Andy Heffernan		$BJ8;z(J	ahh@moji.uucp (uunet!glyph!moji!ahh)

Andy,

Go buy Consumer Car Guide and Edmund's Car Guide from your local
stationary, magazine, or book store.  Check out dealer COST (not list)
for the options you want, then offer any Toyota dealership $600 above
dealer cost for the car.  

The sleazeperson will whine that they need to cover other costs like
advertising.  Tell him to take it out of the $600.  I bought my '91
Celica GT this way in Dec. '90 (actually, the dealer wanted $660 more
and I relented).  I saved over $2,500 this way (better than the $1,000
rebates off LIST that the dealerships usually offer).

Good luck.  The Celica is a great car.

-- Mark
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From: tgpt_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tom Guptill)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.sport,rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.vw
Subject: Re: reliable cars
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:21:33 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Aug21.160424.18930@aa.cad.slb.com> wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson) writes:

[Plymouth slant 6 stuff deleted]


>This trash doesn't belong in rec.autos.sport!  Quit mindlessly spraying this stuff
>to 5 different groups.

Nor does this belong in rec.autos.vw.

-- 
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|CPU Box 277445 U of R | tgpt_ltd@db1.cc.rochester.edu       |
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From: mas6d@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (M. Anne Shackelford)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.sport,rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.vw
Subject: reliable cars
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:57:34 GMT
Reply-To: mas6d@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department

I am graduating from school and am interested in purchasing a small reliable car
- preferably hatchback.

Do you have recommendations of cars to consider buying and cars to consider NOT
buying.


Thanks,

Anne
mas6d@cs.virginia.edu
From: mikem@rgb.com (Mike Mages)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: test
Summary: bleck
Keywords: foo
Date: 18 Aug 92 02:04:52 GMT
Organization: RGB Spectrum

This is only a test. Had it been an actual message, we would
have asked for a Morris Minor.