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From: wwedward@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Wayne Edwards)
Subject: Re: Jays drub Twins .... Game-10  9/4/92
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 15:03:17 GMT

In article <20165@plains.NoDak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:
>
>     Twins ........... 5 ; Blue-Jays ........... 16
>
>The Twins riding on a 4 game winning streak looked like extending 
>it one more as they scored of a David Cone wild pitch in the top
>of the 1st. However, Cone was was not to be denied of his first
>AL- victory as his team-mates massacared the Twins pitching and
>scored 10 runs in the bottom of the 4th to lead 12-4.
>
I was listening to the game as I drove through Toronto and this was the
Jay's scoring for the first three innings as I heard it: 

The Jays scored zero runs in the first inning, 8 runs in second inning (Jays 
had ten consecutive hits), and three runs in the third inning (Joe Carter
3 run homerun). 

I didn't listen to the game after the top of the fourth, so check your sports
pages for the rest...
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From: levesque@mprgate.mpr.ca (Steve Levesque)
Subject: Distribution of singles.
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 22:32:40 GMT

Anybody out there know what the distribution of singles is?

i.e what percentage of singles are infield hits, singles to LF, CF, RF.

I haven't seen this in the Bill James and Elias books I've read.


Steve Levesque

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From: rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets)
Subject: Re: Times on Base: all-time records and Frank Thomas
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:05:45 GMT

In article <BuA3o5.8Bn@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jhg8680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon  Hamkins) writes:
>rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets) writes:
>
>>In article <5592@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave) writes:
>>>Thus spake chee1l5@jetson.uh.edu (Sam Lane):
>>>>In article <5580@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave) writes:
>>>Fielders' choice is different.  FC's usually occur when the fielder could have
>>>put you out with a routine play, but instead chose to put out some other runner
>>>with an equally routine play.  It's worse than an ordinary out, in that an
>>>ordinary out at least might advance other runners ahead of you.  It is totally
>>>unlike reaching on an error, and really is due to circumstances beyond the
>>>batter's control.
>>>
>>But in certain circumstances that FC can be big.  If the batter (Jeff Branson)
>>is hitting with one out in the bottom of the ninth, runners at first and
>>third, and he grounds up the middle, just beating the relay to avoid the
>>double play, while (Paul O'Neill) dashes home for the winning run...
>
>Yes, in that case, you do help your team.  In fact, you even slightly
>help the number of expected runs in the inning.  Reposting Sherri's
>data from May, here's the list of expected runs in various situations:
>
>                  Outs
>Runners       0     1    2
>None        .454  .249 .095
>1st         .783  .478 .209
>2nd        1.068  .699 .348
>3rd        1.277  .897 .382
>1st,2nd    1.380  .888 .457
>1st,3rd    1.639 1.088 .494
>2nd,3rd    1.946 1.371 .661
>Full       2.254 1.546 .798
>
Wow! I hadn't seen this list before (it must have been in some Fielder thread).
There are some surprising things going on here, in particular expected runs 
increases by loading the bases in all cases as opposed to runners on second and
third.  This doesn't seem right since only a walk or hit-batsman  will score
a run in the bases loaded case as opposed to the 2nd and 3rd case, but then 
either of these just proceeds to load the bases.  With two out, then, an outfield single 
scores as many runs in either case, while a chopper towards second will more likely score
a run with first base open, and more likely end the inning otherwise.

So I ask, where does this info come from?  Does this study covers years of baseball?

If so, why do managers intentionally walk batters?  It would seem to be universally
counter-productive.  I guess in a close game it wouldn't matter that a team will
likely score 2.254 runs as opposed to 1.946.  The chance of the batter hitting 
directly to a drawn in first or third or to the pitcher (best case) is worth it to
put the batter on.

RStimets



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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt Bose "of Biscayzee")
Subject: Re: jays 15
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 09:58:07 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: rec

In article <1992Sep8.043327.969@panix.com> spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira) writes:
>In <lmqnp0n@lynx.unm.edu> kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt Bose "of Biscayzee") writes:
>
>>(Jays protect list deleted)
>
>>Carlos Delgado must be protected.  He is not 20, he is at least 22.  So says
>>the STATS Min. Lg. Handbook.
>
>Hmmmm.  Kurt, you haven't gotten those reading glasses your optometrist
>told you to get, have you?
>
>STATS Minor League Handbook says that Delgado was born on 6/25/72, and
>that he is 20.
>

Now, Greg, there's no reason to be insulting...

Mea culpa.  I was looking in the A-ball and Rookie league stats, where the only
Delgado is listed as 21 for the 1991 season.  I didn't think to look in the big
section, since Carlos is only in the Florida State League this season...


-- 
Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) *  kbos@carina.unm.edu * Make outs, not walks!
Keeper of the R.S.BB FAQ, and Junior Stathead {tm} * OK, so I AM the AntiChrist.
Be kind...don't disillusion the RBI-lovers. * Net.Agent, "Doublin" David Rossing
Less widely published as Noel Steere; less likely to rampage than Gary Huckabay.
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From: 890491g@dragon.acadiau.ca (Don Graves)
Subject: Re: Jays drub Twins .... Game-10 9/4/92
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 05:00:06 GMT

sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:


>     Twins ........... 5 ; Blue-Jays ........... 16

>The Twins riding on a 4 game winning streak looked like extending 
>it one more as they scored of a David Cone wild pitch in the top

	Actually it was a passed ball (two of them actually).  He did
have a wild pitch in a later inning, though.

>of the 1st. However, Cone was was not to be denied of his first
>AL- victory as his team-mates massacared the Twins pitching and
>scored 10 runs in the bottom of the 4th to lead 12-4.

	Also, they scored eight runs in the second to take a 8-3 lead (
ten straight hits that tied an AL record),
then Carter hit a 3-runner to make it 11-3.  Then it was 11-4, 12-4, 13-
4, 14-4, 14-5, 16-5, not to be a nit-pick or anything :)

-- 
--
Don Graves
Acadia University, Wolfville, N.S. Canada
don.graves@dragon.acadiau.ca || 890491g@ace.acadiau.ca
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From: gerry@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (Gerry Myerson)
Subject: Re: J. Gonzales All-time HR King
Organization: CeNTRe for Number Theory Research
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 01:52:39 GMT

I read somewhere that three ballplayers have had 40 HR seasons before 
turning 23; Mel Ott, Joe DiMaggio, and Eddie Mathews. Nice company to keep, 
but notice the absence of the names Aaron, Ruth, and Mays. 

Gerry Myerson
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From: mjones@fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Mike Jones)
Subject: Re: Ryan Award (was Re: Amazing Walk Total)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 22:29:50 GMT
Reply-To: mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Corp. Kingston NY

In article <37893@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.172127.37601@watson.ibm.com> mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com writes:
>>Periodically, the topic of Ryan retiring comes up and someone always offers
>>the opinion that they should name an award after him. This is my nomination
>>for the Ryan Award: most (H+BB)/IP.
>The problem with this is that Ryan is one of the all-time leaders
>in FEWEST H/IP, though when you add the BB his ratio looks normal.

Ooops. Sorry, just washed my fingers and I can't do a *thing* with them....
What I actually meant, of course, was (K+BB)/IP.

   Mike Jones  |  AIX/ESA Development  |  mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com

Some programs are elegant, some are exquisite, some are sparkling. My claim
is that it is possible to write grand programs, noble programs, truly
magnificent ones!
	- Donald Knuth, 1974 Turing Award Lecture
From: faa@fil.CS.CMU.EDU (Fil Alleva)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: consistency stats
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:21:41 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Sep15.025720.17243@news.iastate.edu>  
TW.N82@isumvs.iastate.edu (BOB.PEDERSEN) writes:
> This is a listing of the total number of games behind
> each team in baseball was at season's end from 1982-1991.  It
> represents an attempt on my part to measure consistency in
>  recent years.

Lets try and improve this stat. First, you measured only a
single data point (last day of the season) which is very noisy and
probably has a large variance.

How about if you generated a stat. that reported the days spent
in 1st place, 2nd, 3rd etc... If you wanted to boil it down to a
number you could give 1st place one point, 2nd place two points etc.

Then of course we could just look at the winning percentage of each team
over the last 10 years.
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Personal Attacks on the Net
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:32:03 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Distribution: na

In article <1261.2ab051b7@atlas.nafb.trw.com>  
mspede@atlas.nafb.trw.com writes:

>  On a new local sportstalk radio show (LA area), the two jocks were  
discussing 
>  major awards.  Their first proposition was that Eck must win  
either MVP
>  or Cy Young (I had no big problem with that).  But, according to  
them,
>  Cecil is now a major contender this year due to those 31 hrs and  
massive rbi
>  totals.

Why?  Eckersley deserves either award only slightly more than Fielder
deserves MVP (in fact, I'd be less likely to give him MVP than
Fielder).  Why?  First off, he has pitched 66 innings.  I can't
see someone who played that little getting an MVP.  (Unlike some
folks, though, I have no problem, in principle, with starting
pitchers winning the MVP.)  As for Cy Young, I'd give it to Clemens,
though a few other folks (including Eck) deserve to be considered.

I'm sure someone radio stations in Toronto are pushing Morris for 
the Cy Young. After all, he is 18-5 :)   Amazing what you can do 
despite a 4.19 ERA on a winning team.   The Jays are averaging 
almost 6 runs a game when Morris pitches.

--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  
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From: wilbanks@spot.Colorado.EDU (Dylan the Wonder Pup!)
Subject: Baseball Czar Needed!!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:21:09 GMT

Now that the last non-puppet commissioner has been forced out, and a 
puppet and mouthpiece of the owners is coming, I think it is time for 
Congress to step in against the (greedy, blood-sucking leeches who only 
want to rob us fans of our precious commdities and tradition so that 
the entire NL can remain as geographically bad as the NFC West and treat
their hired help as expendable pieces of trash and cause the players to 
turn into greater assholes than they already are - wouldn't it be nice 
if just ONE player - Kirby Puckett or George Brett or SOMEBODY - come
out and say, "Ya know, I play baseball for the SHEER fun of it and 
I don't need a $100 million contract to make me look like a stud." 
Anyway, I digress....) owners and complete the task they were going 
to do back in 1920 - create a federally-appointed "baseball czar". 
A czar who cares about tradition and could keep the owners from 
being ridiculous idiots and trade franchise players for no-names. 
A czar against wild-card playoffs. A czar who will be fair and impartial
and have so much power ha can be fair and impartial.

Since baseball is in violation of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act anyway,
Congress could do it. 

Let's save baseball!!!!!

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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt Bose "of Biscayzee")
Subject: Re: The Monthly Cecil Fielder Thread
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 04:34:03 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Sep03.130920.14982@dlogics.com> trr@dlogics.com (Tim Ringwood) writes:
>Jose plays for Jose, and has
>since I saw him in A ball. Cecil plays for the Tigers, and sometimes his
>stats suffer for it. 
>
BWA-HA-HA!  Right...Cecil Fielder, noble sufferer of undignified wrongs, tragic 
figure putting personal glory.  Go ahead, Tim; this is something I think we'd
all be interested in hearing.  Puts the team and its goals ahead of any and all
regard for personal glory.  C'mon.  Show us Cecil, the man, the myth, the martyr
of Detroit.

As for your math background, maybe if you didn't let yourself be fooled by the
relative uselessness of RBIs, you wouldn't be down on stats theory.  Of course,
political posturing fools you, so why not RBIs?

	
-- 
Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) *  kbos@carina.unm.edu * Make outs, not walks!
Keeper of the R.S.BB FAQ, and Junior Stathead {tm} * OK, so I AM the AntiChrist.
Be kind...don't disillusion the RBI-lovers. * Net.Agent, "Doublin" David Rossing
Less widely published as Noel Steere; less likely to rampage than Gary Huckabay.
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From: jimdean@bnr.ca (Jim Dean)
Subject: Re: Japan Central League
Originator: jimdean@bcrks81
Reply-To: jimdean@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 10:41:41 GMT


Hiroshi,

    Thank you for posting results of Japan Central League games.  I
believe that there is another league in Japan (the Pacific League?).
Please, can you post results from that, also?

-- 
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From: twap8@isuvax.iastate.edu (Mike McNarney)
Subject: Re: Cubs' Mike Harkey hurt
Reply-To: twap8@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 01:13:47 GMT

In article <Bu9oFz.1tG@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jds23971@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Neff) writes:
>twap8@isuvax.iastate.edu (Mike McNarney) writes:
>
>>Cubs announcer Thom Brenneman said in today's (Sun) radio pregame that
>>pitcher Mike Harkey fell down the dugout stairs before today's game
>>and blew out the tendon in his left knee. He has been transported
>>to Northwestern Memorial Hospital for treatment. The announcers had
>>no further information, only pointing out that Harkey seems to be
>>injured all the time. 
>
>
>Ok you're not going to believe this.
>
>The latest  rumor on Harkey's injury (I also originally heard that he fell in
>the dugout) is that he actually hurt himself doing cartwheels in the
>outfield before the game.  This guy could sprain a finger picking his nose.
>I guess he was trying to become the next Ozzie Smith.  Instead he looks
>like the next Bozo the Clown.
>
>Couldn't happen to a better bunch of guys.
>
>Jeff Smith
>
>Cubs 1993 record:   0 - 162

Cubs announcer Thom Brenneman confirmed during tonight's game that Harkey
was indeed doing cartwheels when he blew the tendon. He underwent surgery
today (Tues), and will be back by spring training at the earliest. Ouch.
On a positive note, both Brenneman and Ron Santo were consumate pros, not
ragging on Harkey for being the twit he appears to be. 

-Mike
twap8@isuvax.bitnet
From: jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: MLB Magic Numbers for Thu, Sep 10th, 1992
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:55:27 GMT
Organization: Joseph TeleCommunications Enterprises; Berkeley, California, USA
Via: JTC Enterprises Major League Baseball Department (Statistics Division)
     JTC Enterprises Sports Sector (Information Department)


     MAGIC NUMBERS OF DIVISION LEADERS FOR THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 10, 1992

          [NOTE: Includes all of yesterday's games; i-idle yesterday
           z-won yesterday or split a doubleheader; EL-eliminated.]

NATIONAL WEST		 MN	        	NATIONAL EAST		 MN
Atlanta	Braves		z--		        Pittsburgh Pirates	z--
Cincinnati Reds		 16		        Montreal Expos		 19
San Diego Padres	 16		        St. Louis Cardinals     z14
Houston Astros          z 8		        Chicago Cubs             13
San Francisco Giants      2		        New York Mets             7
Los Angeles Dodgers	zEL		        Philadelphia Phillies	z 1

AMERICAN WEST		 MN 		        AMERICAN EAST		 MN
Oakland Athletics	z--		        Toronto Blue Jays	z--
Minnesota Twins         z19		        Baltimore Orioles	 20
Chicago White Sox       z18		        Milwaukee Brewers	 18
Texas Rangers		z 8		        New York Yankees        z 9
California Angels         4		        Boston Red Sox            7
Kansas City Royals        4		        Cleveland Indians       z 7
Seattle Mariners	 EL		        Detroit Tigers            6
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From: tjs@earth.wustl.edu (tom sullivan)
Subject: Re: Cubs Make-Up Game Scheduled?
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:45:46 GMT

In article <BuBEJI.LK3@mail.boi.hp.com> rdetweil@boi.hp.com (Richard Detweiler) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.190356.8801@gtephx.UUCP> bentzr@gtephx.UUCP (Richard S. Bentz) writes:
>>
>>Following the
>>3-game San Diego series (at home), the Cubs finish the season playing
>>home and away series with each of their eastern division opponents.
>>This only adds up to 161 games (132 + 29).
>>
>>I presume that the missing game was postponed due to inclement weather. 
>>Is it against a divisional opponent?  If so, when is the double-header
>>going to be played?
>>
>>What's the scoop?
>>
>>Rick
>>-- 
>>Richard S. Bentz        AG Communication Systems        Phoenix, Arizona
>
>
>It's a makeup game with the Cardinals for a washout at Chicago so I would
>think it would be made up during their Sept. 18-20 series at Wrigley.
>

You got it.... There was a rain out earlier in the season, and it will
be made up as a double header on the 19th of September. I'm bummed, 
because I got tickets for the 18th, which was the originally announced
make up date.

tom
From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Eldred still hot!!!
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:54:15 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology


In article <1992Sep14.174825.27884@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R  
Krueger) writes:
>    Sunday, Cal Eldred and the Brewers dominated Baltimore 3-1. The line was
>    9IP, 4H, 1R (earned), 1BB, 12K.    
 [stuff deleted]
>    Eldred has not allowed a run in 66 of the 71 innings he's pitched in and
>    has only given up 3 runs in his last 52.67 innings. For the year he's 
>    8-1 with a 1.26 ERA. 71IP, 52 H, 21BB and 45K. 
>    Surely he won't continue to
>    pitch this way, but with Navarro and Wegman he should give the Brewers a
>    hell of good start to a solid rotation next year (assuming Bosio takes
>    the free-agent route).
> 
>    Although the Brewers are all but out of the division race, it was nice 
>    to see the Crew try to take the O's with them.
Yeah. Too bad Garner decided in April that the Brewers needed to have  
'veteran' pitchers in the rotation and sent Eldred down for another year at  
Denver.

john rickert
rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
From: hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks)
Subject: Re: Fielder
Organization: NSSL
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:33:17 GMT

In article <11SEP199214292038@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch) writes:
>In article <BuF25H.7q1@zoo.toronto.edu>, rising@zoo.toronto.edu (Jim Rising) writes...
>>Out of curiosity, is there anyone on the net who would really rather
>>have Fielder then either Thomas, McGuire, or Olerud?  Short answers
>>are preferred.
>
>I think that if we're talking about a one-year thing, I'd take Cecil over
>Olerud.  Olerud is one of the few guys in the league who is as immobile as 
>Cecil, so he loses any defensive/baserunning advantage, and all other
>factors being equal, I'd probably be willing to trade the OBP for a higher SLG.

Of course, this year, Olerud's outslugging Fielder as well as getting on base
more often.  Through 6 September,

BATTERS        BA   SLG   OBP   G  AB   R   H  TB 2B 3B HR RBI  BB  SO SB CS  E
OLERUD,J     .299  .467  .387 116 381  59 114 178 25  0 13  54  57  46  1  0  7
FIELDER,C    .236  .450  .312 130 496  63 117 223 19  0 29 108  56 130  0  0 10

Harold
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National Severe Storms Laboratory/CIMMS (Norman, OK)
Cal Ripken   April-August   .249 BA  .355 SLG  .329 OBA
Cal Ripken (1 Sep.- 9 Sep.) .152 BA  .182 SLG  .222 OBA
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From: doernber@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Joey Doernberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Saturday Dodgers vs Giants Tix for sale
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:00:30 GMT
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA

1, maybe 2, tickets for Saturday's Dodgers vs Giants game at
Candlestick Park.

These are excellent seats right behind first base.

The particulars:
Sat., Sept. 19, Noon game
Lower reserved, Section 11, row 13

I'll sell them at $10.25 each, same price I paid when I ordered them
6 months ago.

I'll also tell you where the free parking is!

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From: pablo@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Pablo A Iglesias)
Subject: Re: Clemens getting credit for shutout?
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:55:59 GMT

In article <24811@oasys.dt.navy.mil> bouchard@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Roger Bouchard) writes:
>I had a nice arguement with my son about Clemens getting a credit for
>shutout last Monday against Texas Rangers 3-0. My son claims that a
>pitcher must complete the game (9 innings) to get a credit for shutout.
>I thought today in baseball the pitcher need at least 7 innings to get
>it with relief pitchers finishing up. Who is right?

Your son.


-- 
Pablo