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From: holland@geop.ubc.ca (Stephen Holland)
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Subject: Re: Help needed with storyline idea
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Date: 5 Jan 1993 18:38:34 GMT
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In article 15075@nwnexus.WA.COM, branch@halcyon.com (Frank Lee Branch) writes:
>This is a quick guess, but in Star Trek 5 didn't Kirk assault a
>terrorist take over of a joint outpost with phasers and on horseback.
>Certainly if Star Fleet had real marines or commando's this would be an
>awfully silly gesture.
>
>Frank Branch

It sure was.  Then again, Star Trek V was an awfully silly movie.  I've found that
the best way to deal with integrating the movies into the Star Trek universe is to
just ignore them.  Treat them the same as the animated series and the novels: lots
of fun, but not part of the "real world" of Star Trek.  (yes, "real world" is in
quotes for a reason....)

steve holland  (the man with no diacritics)

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From: jsq002@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Proton/Photon torpedoes
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:59:08 GMT


     Ok, ok...I realise my error...the Empire would have PROTON torpedoes,
     not PHOTON torpedoes...I also noticed the difference as a child, but
     that WAS quite a while ago, after all. Realised my error last night 
     as I was reading _Heir to the Empire_...*ACK*...

     Jason
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From: hinson@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Jason W. Hinson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: course of the Enterprise?
Date: 12 Jan 93 23:24:23 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department



gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO) writes:
<
<Any scientists to be out there: Please update me on the so far known
<potential of wormholes. Last thing I heard they couldn't prove that they
<even existed. Think they speculated in this being the only possible way to
<make time travel possible though. Something about taking a wormhole ride one
<way, and travelling back in a normal way? I also seem to recall that
<wormholes could be stabilized and stretched by using electric fields...
 
 
Well, I'm no wormhole expert, but...
 
From what I have heard, and trying to put it in general terms, wormholes
were "invented" by taking the effects that you wanted the wormhole to
have and working backwards to find out how space time would have to be
"warped" in order to produce those effects.  There is absolutly no reason
for such a strange area of space-time to exist naturally, and in fact
the existance of such an area would somehow (can't remeber specifics) go
against a certain theory in particle physics (again, I can't remember the
exact theory that is contradicted).  I should mention that I remeber being
told that the contradicted theory itself holds some doubts, but in
experiments the theory seems to be correct.
 
Sorry I can't give specifics, but I got this from a talk I attended on the
subject of wormholes, and I didn't take notes.
 
Anyone have more to add?
 
 
-Jay

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From: tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo)
Subject: Re: Excelsiorclass ship that was blasted in DS9
Keywords: DS9
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:29:57 GMT


POSSIBLE SPOILERS AHEAD!!!





















gsnow@clark.edu (Gary Snow) writes:

In article <1993Jan6.045524.747@sol.cs.wmich.edu> 52kaiser@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Matthew Kaiser) writes:
>hiya i've just seen Deep Space Nine and the begining was **Fabutastic**
>
>but i'm curious did anyone catch the NCC designation and the name of the
>Excelsior Class ship that had its saucer section blasted by the Borg?
>
>also does anyone know what other classes appeared besides the
>Excelsior and Ambassador classes? 

I didn't catch the NCC number, but the ship was the USS Melbourne...does
that ring a bell?

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From: cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Colin J. Wynne)
Subject: Re: "Final Mission"
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:27:50 GMT
Organization: Washington & Lee University
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What kind of rediation, you ask?

*Very* heavy gamma sources.  That's about it.

CJW

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From: 52kaiser@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Matthew Kaiser)
Subject: Re: Rio Grande pulling the Cardassians...
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:29:41 GMT

CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP000) writes:

>In article <tomcat.726618996@cwis> tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo) writes:
>>Okay..I hope this isn't a repeating question...but how can the Rio Grande,
>>the Runabout class shuttle, tow a Cardassian warship via tractor beam?
>>
>Gee, maybe their warp coils were producing a warp field that made them
>light enough to be towed. :)

gee doesn't anyone remember their Newtonian physics?

no matter how heavy the darn thing is; a little can push
the  object --in space-- provided he pushes long enough
to get the momentum

the Rio Grande wasn't flying very fast remember
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From: MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF)
Subject: Re: Warp Speed Info PLEASE!!!!!
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:18:10 GMT
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In <1icultINNqp8@uwm.edu> ckalin@csd4.csd.uwm.edu writes:

> 
> Pardon me if this is the wrong newsgroup for this, but does anyone have THE
> difinitive formula (or formulae) for warp speed (i.e.: WF 2=10*speed of
> light)?  I own the ST:TNG Technical Manual, which lists SOME warp speeds,
> but I cannot extrapolate a formula from them.  A: They are integer
> approximations. B: Even if they were exact, there is no data for above Warp
> 9, and this is where the curve supposedly starts changing.
> 
> This data in the ST:TNG Tech Manual invalidates FASA's W^3 and W^5 and even
> shoots the stuff from Leon Myerson's WARPTE.TXT down the tubes.  Does anyone
> have _canon_ information?

The answer is simple : WE_DON'T_KNOW!! The mystery remains unsolved, all we
can do is list the limitations introduced in various TNG episodes and hope some
kind soul tries to shed a little light on this:-)
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*** WHAT WE KNOW SO FAR ***

-In "Where no One Has Gone Before," Geordi says the Enterprise will need
 300 years to travel 2.7 million light-years. This is supposedly warp 9+

-In "Q Who," the ship would have needed 2 years 7 months to travel from
 Borg space [7,000 light-years away] back to the Federation [at warp 6?].

-During the 1st and 3rd seasons of TNG, the ship visited distant "real"
 star systems, then returned to Earth later the same year. The episodes
 were "Encounter at Farpoint" and "Who Watches the Watchers", the star
 systems were Deneb (1,800ly. away) and Mintaka (2,500ly.), the ship
 returned home in "Conspiracy" and "Best of Both Worlds pt.II." This 
 translates to a velocity of 2,500-3,000c - presumably warp 6 again.
 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
MARCU$
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From: cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Colin J. Wynne)
Subject: DS9 SPOILER: Shedding Mass?
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 19:53:01 GMT
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Does anyone here have the technobabble that O'Brien came up with for
making DS9 lighter in preparation for breaking orbit from Bajor towards
the mouth of the wormhole?

My first reaction was -- you've got to be sh*tting me!!

Upon further speculation, however, there is the following:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but what they did was to put up a 'subspace
field' which made the station lighter.  Now, obviously the station does
not have warp drive, but that does not necessarily mean they do not have
warp *engines*.  Specifically, in TOS photons were warp powered, whereas
phasers were not, and from TMP and thereafter, the reverse seems to have
been the case.  Either way, since DS9 has both types of weapons, one can
safely assume that they have warp power reactors on board the station. 
So, they could have created a low power warp field -- i.e., extant, but
not sufficient for warp travel, esp. since they don't have warp guidance
software or drives to control the vector of warp travel anyway -- around
the station.

Now, I know this is not in any way canonical, but several people on this
net have hypothesised about reduced mass in subspace to help overcome
inertia problems in travelling at superluminal speeds.  If we accept this,
then we could say that the low power subspace (i.e., warp) field would
generate some of the correct effects (e.g., reduced mass, certain particle
emmissions, etc.), without actually causing warp travel.  Anyway, then the
thrusters would have been sufficient for moving the station.

Please, I'd like to hear some comments on all of this, as this is one of
the major tech things present in DS9.

CJW


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From: mls@wuee1.wustl.edu (Michael L. Schirmer)
Subject: Re: Turbo Lifts
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:00:33 GMT

In article <katherim.726524564@sfu.ca> katherim@fraser.sfu.ca (Katherine Merle Mason) writes:
>I have a couple of questions regarding turbo lifts:
> 
>1)  Why is it that there is always a turbo lift there when someone desires
>    to enter one?  We know from turbo shaft sceens that there is not a 
>    turbo lift on every deck and we know from sceens inside turbo lifts 
>    that they don't travel quickly enough that there would not be some i
>    lag time.
>
>2)  Why do persons in turbo lifts never have to wait for a turbolift in
>    front two let people out?  We know there is more than one lift in a
>    shaft, so why are they never in conflict?  What if someone was using
>    one shaft to go down, and someone else was going up in the same shaft?
>    It seems that there would be no way to avoid a collision and bring
>    both parties to their destinations.

According to the TNG Tech Manual(as canon as you want it to be), there are
two parallel main vertical shafts which connect to horizontal networks on
each deck.  There are also main horizontal links on decks 8,10,25 and 31
to connect discontinous vertical shafts (after all, the main shafts between
decks 1-12 would fly right out of the primary hull if continued below deck 12).
There are an average of 10 cars in service at all times.  During peak usage
times (such as change-of-shifts), the number is doubled.

Presumably, the incredible Enterprise computer can effectively route cars
through the shafts so as to avoid collisions.  Because of redundant networks,
any almost any point can be reached by at least two ways.  So that takes care
of the waiting for others to move.  As to why people don't have to wait for
lifts, I guess the computer senses them moving toward the doors of the turbo
lift and sends one to get there before they reach the door.  That is, unless
they decided to have a conversation with someone, in which case the computer
delays the lift until the script calls for it.  :)  Probably the best reason
is that TV time is expensive and we don't want to watch people waiting for
elevators.

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From: cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Colin J. Wynne)
Subject: Re: Rio Grande pulling the Cardassians...
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:50:17 GMT
Organization: Washington & Lee University
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Well, there *is* still that little problem of inertia.  Ships may be
weightless, but they are not inertialess.   Still, I'll believe that a
Runabaout can tow a Cardassian (not easily, but possibly).

CJW

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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: More Holodeck
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 05:43:54 GMT

In article <C0EKEA.6u2@ccu.umanitoba.ca> jcurrie@ccu.umanitoba.ca (James Gordon Currie) writes:
>          Hmmm... An NCC-1701-D inside the Holodeck...
>
>          I *think* an episode did this, can't remember. BUT, I do know 
>that one of the novels deals with just this kind of situation (_Boogymen_).

Nope, hasn't been done in an episode. The brige of the NCC-1701 (the original)
was created by Scotty in "Relics". And there was "Remember Me" in which Dr.
Crusher was stranded in a warp bubble, and there was a illusionary NCC-1701-D
in the bubble...


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From: ru+@CMU.EDU (Rudolph R. Zung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Stardates
Date: 5 Jan 93 08:59:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.ofGReCC00WB2MWq9E9
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Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>mannerl@kenyon.edu wrote:
>: 
>:  This is just a dumb guess, but Stardates look just like Julian dates.
>: 
>:                                             J.H.M.
>
>I heard at that the dates are set up in the format of century-season-
>episode-.shift of day{?} what ever that means.  I think that it
>has to do with the breakdown of the "day" in sections.
>--Mac

I read this somewhere and I can't remember where I read it from. The second
digit in the stardate is the episode season. The numbers after that
indicate when in the season the episode takes place. The last digit is
figured out by the writers as to which part of the episode week that
that the event takes place. A note of trivia here: whenever someone
dictates something into the log without a stardate using the keyword
supplement instead, it really means that the writers couldn't be bothered
to calculate the stardate, so they just wrote in "supplement" instead.
(kind of like GNDN)

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From: mjv8557@eafs000.ca.boeing.com (Mark J. Vandiver)
Subject: Re: Excelsiorclass ship that was blasted in DS9
Organization: be41t
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:03:30 GMT

Clayten_Hamacher@mindlink.bc.ca (Clayten Hamacher) writes:

>>>but i'm curious did anyone catch the NCC designation and the name of the
>>>Excelsior Class ship that had its saucer section blasted by the Borg?
>>
>>HEY!!! Knock it off, some of us haven't seen the first episode yet, it
>>doesn't start here till Thursday........please put SPOILERS in your
>>subject line!
NCC 3181 was the name of the saratoga.ZZ
>Don't worry, it's not a spoiler.. It's 'almost' the same scene (different
>angles etc.) that we saw when the borg came to earth..A bunch of dead
>starfleet ships and the borg shooting the ones that were still alive. It has
>nothing (directly) to do with the plot of the show.

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From: adrian@cs.hw.ac.uk (Adrian Hurt)
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Subject: Re: More Holodeck
Date: 8 Jan 93 10:02:49 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <C0Dztt.7K6@mach1.wlu.ca> mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u) writes:
>khill@vax1.umkc.edu wrote:
>: 							So, lets suppose I want
>: to bring the good-ole NCC-1701D to its knees.  I enter the HOLODECK and
>: run an Enterprise NCC-1701D program, I then enter that HOLODECK and run
>: another Enterprise NCC-1701D program, I then enter that HOLODECK and run
>: another Enterprise NCC-1701D program, etc. (you get the picture).  Something
>: tells me that eventually the Enterprise would run out of memory and come to
>: its knees!!
>: 
>Nice idea, but I have a hard time believing that the main computer would 
>allow the holodeck computer to commandeer all of its memory, causing a
>failure.

I don't know.  The ship already exhibits features from "Hitch-Hiker's Guide
to the Galaxy", e.g. the turbo-lifts which know where to be when people want
them, the replicator which puts out something almost, but not quite, entirely
unlike tea unless you give it explicit instructions (e.g. "Tea, Earl Grey,
hot") and an Infinite Improbability Generator (see p.77 of the Technical
Manual if you don't believe me).  A computer which can be brought to a
standstill by the holodeck would fit right in.  Mind you, I'd do it by
recursion - tell the computer to run a program replicating the NCC-1701D in
real time, including a replica of itself running the program.

:-)

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From: muellerm@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Marc Mueller)
Subject: Heavy/Light Cruiser
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:10:55 GMT






>>Shari L Brooks wrote
>>
>>As I recall, (correct meif I'm wrong here) the Enterprise is somewhat
>>the equivalent of a Navy heavy cruiser.  [At least the original one was]
>>
>	I'm not sure this assumption would work even in the original
>series.  The logic is thus: even in the original series, the _Constitution_
>class ships were *THE* gems of StarFleet; to me, this would indicate a bit
>more capability than the average ship, albeit the fact they classified the
>ship in their own terms as a heavy cruiser.  I think the term *battleship*
>would tend to be more appropriate (and it *CERTAINLY* would in the case of
>the 1701-D . . . which, indeed, in _Yesterday's _Enterprise__ they did term
>the ship as just that very thing).

In naval tradition a cruiser was a heavily armed but lightly armored ship
built for speed. The designation of light or heavy referred to the size of
the guns not the displacement or armorment. A light cruiser carried a large
number of smaller caliber guns and had a role of protecting the battleships
against destroyers and torpedo boats. A heavy cruiser carried large caliber
guns for greater range to harass enemy battleships and so on.

The battleship, being heavily armored and armed, was dedicated to fighting
other battleships and anything else that was slow enough for it to catch.

IMHO the Federation would send out cruisers for exploration and retain
would rarely be seen in unexplored space.



V/R

Marc Mueller, LT USNR
From: as547s429@sycom.mi.org (Aaron Smith)
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Subject: Holodeck
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I have a question about holodecks.. I read the tech manual on this, but it 
didn't really answer the question on how it is able to make a (lets just say) 
10 foot room into 30 feet.. Like in the very first episode of TNG, (mabey it 
was the second..) Data was in the deck and Riker came in and met hime for the 
first time.. data was across the river and in the woods a ways.. How would 
that be possible in such a small room?? And in the episode where Barclay was 
using the holodeck to recreate his fellow officers, he was off sleeping in 
the woods on the other side of a building when Deana, Geordi, and Riker came 
in the deck, which was on the other side of the building... I have thought 
about this many times, but haven't been able to come up with a logical 
answer..  Ands whats to prevent something like this happening?? If a person 
is in there and we'll say 100 yards from the door, and someone else comes in??

Aaron
From: msaletni@jade.tufts.edu (Michael J. Saletnik)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Excelsior class ship that was blasted in DS9 (Spoilers)
Date: 9 Jan 93 17:17:10 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

Spoilers - Control L


I took a good long look at this scene.

>In article <VFq3wB5w165w@ailanthus.com> tallman@ailanthus.com (Robert Oliver) writes:
>   jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) writes:
>   > >The third and fourth ships appear in tandem, in an attack
>   > >formation, breaking starboard towards the Borg cube. They are an
>   > 		     ^^^^^^^^^
>   > 		       port
>   > 
>   > >Ambassador-class and a Nebula-class. 

That ship looks very much like an Ambassador class except for one
thing.  Its saucer has the phaser ring found on Nebula and Galaxy
class starships.  With Yesterday's Enterprise as a reference, the
Ambassador class does not have those type of phasers.

Also, was that a Grissom/Biko type ship I saw getting toasted through
the windows of the Saratoga?  At first I thought it was a Galaxy class
without the Saucer, but then I noticed the one single frame that
showed the primary hull section blown off and flying past the Saratoga.

					Michael
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From: jvigneau@cs.USS.Enterprise.mil (Joe Vigneau)
Subject: NCC-1701D vs. Death Star
Organization: Not Much
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:54:15 GMT

Subject says it all...
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