From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Raggin' on the Flyers (Re: FLYERS notes 4/1)
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:39:58 GMT
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In article <ARBOGASTW.79@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu>, ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast) writes:
> In article <1992Apr13.134219.12085@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
> >If you must know, I'm a hockey fan.  And if you're a hockey fan, this is
> >the best time of the year.  Sure, I'd enjoy it much more if the Flyers
> >were in the play-offs, but I enjoy it none the less.
> 
> Yawn. Sounds like the company line.  You have to be a member of Ziegler's 
> marketing team.

Hey, you asked me a question and I told you my answer.  If you don't
like it, that's your problem.

And try to come up with something a little different once in awhile.
Each article you post contains, "you must be part of Ziegler's
marketing team."  But since you refer to it, constantly, I'll tell
you this, I am no marketing person, but I could do a better job than
that buffoon.  If he even tried to market the NHL, the league would
be much better financially, and there never would have been a strike
to begin with.  Nor would the burden of satisfying the players fall
on us ticket buyers.

> >In case you haven't noticed, the Flyers have been making go of it in the
> >NHL for the past 25 years.  Sure, the team has missed the playoffs for
> >the past three years, but go to the Spectrum some night when the orange
> >and black is in town.  The place is packed or very near capacity every
> >night.  And it has been for as long as I can remember.
> 
> I was talking about worying about things on the ice.  Not off the ice.  
> "Hey, everybody, how about those last-place Flyers?"  "Yea, they got great 
> attendance."  

I am talking about things on the ice.  And for the past 25 years, 
the Flyers have done pretty well on the ice.  They had the second
longest string of consecutive seasons with a winning record in all
of sports.  Not bad, huh?  And as I pointed out above, even through
the past three non-winning seasons, the team still draws very well.
Excellence on and off the ice.

> >And you don't think the Flyers have improved their team for next season 
> >They have a strong young nucleus to work around and should be in
> >contention for a playoff spot in the toughest division in hockey for
> >years to come.
> 
> Joe, you jumped to your conslusion.  I never said anything about the Flyers 
> and whether they were improved.  The die-hard Flyer fan at work has been 
> crying about "rebuilding," "being tired of rebuilding" and "firing people" 
> for years (I think three years now) I'VE been the one telling him to be 
> patient.  Actually, I agree with you, the Flyers should be in contention for 
> a playoff spot in the toughest division in hockey for years to come.

You said, something to the effect of worrying about the Flyers
making a go of it in a league where 16 of 22 teams make the playoffs.
I told you they made a go of it in the past and am now telling you
they are on the right path to make a go of it in the future.  And as
you said, you agree with me.  If you want to discuss things, try to
follow along.

> >Funny, I thought the regular season was the main goal of the Caps
> >organization.  I mean, they have done so well in the regular season the
> >past few years, yet have nothing to show for it 
> 
> You just got through saying the Flyers have improved, have a dynamic young 
> hockey team, and should be in contention for a playoff spot in hockey's 
> toughest division for years to come.  Now you say the Caps have ALREADY done 
> just that, and it means nothing?  "Congatulations to the Flyers on all their 
> hard work and patience, Joe believes it means nothing."

Do you have any idea what you said in previous postings?  Is there
more than one person posting from your account?  It was you that said
the regular season means nothing.  It was a desperate attempt to cover
your butt over the fact that the Flyers won the regular season series
from the Caps.  So, if the regular season means nothing, what do the
Caps have to show for their existence?

> Oh NO, not Tocchet.  Dale Hunter's shaking already.  And trading Samuelson 
> is one of the reasons why the Flyers should do better and get a 
> playoff spot next year -- although that means little to you.

Why should Dale Hunter be shaking?  He keeps his stick in hands at all
times.  Unless the big guys from the other team are on the bench.
Tocchet's game has really picked up since the trade, and his demeanor
won't let the Pens just go through the motions and win on talent.
He's been hungry for the playofss for three seasons now.  I expect a
big series out of him.  Big Kjell ain't quick, but his long limbs
allow him to make up for lost ground as well as the quickest players.
Unfortunately, the Pens look like they will be playing the Rangers,
while the Caps will be hosting the Devils in the first round.  So we
will never know for sure what would have happened.


> Oh damn, sorry for wasting more lines Joe.  That's right apologies are not 
> necessary.  Right?

The only reason I got involved with this stupid frickin' thread is
because you posted an entire article titled "Flyers Notes" of, what
100 lines, only to add, "thank you" at the end of it.  I mean, that
was a great article.  Nobel prize-winning material.  NOT!


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