HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ied1@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ingrid de Beus)
Subject: QL:DoS, alternate ending
Reply-To: ied1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:53:23 GMT

Hi, guys.  A little while ago (at least, to my newsfeed), Beth Hlabse
posted a bit of the original script for Daughter of Sin, part I.


spoilers, ho..


Script dated Sept. 8 1992



There's all kinds of intense stuff, but I'll just cut to the chase
and mention that during the fire, in *that* version, Mrs. Fuller 
appears in the hallway, which keeps Sam's attention focussed inside
the house, delaying his immediate escape.  What *wasn't* in that
version, was Lita Aider's scream "Get away from me!" or whatever.  But
could it have been in response to *also* seeing Laura Fuller in 
the midst of the flames? 

ingrid-

p.s. thanks for posting that, Beth.

-- 
	Ingrid Elvire Maria de Beus a.k.a. ied1@midway.uchicago.edu
	My old .sig was quite pessimistic, so here's an improvement:
	 a Blake's 7 quote that works as a Quantum Leap reference!
      "We've come at the worst possible time -- of course."  (Kerr Avon)
From: cole@unix.SRI.COM (Susan Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: MELROSE PLACE NOTES (11/11)
Date: 18 Nov 92 02:05:56 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, California

In article <17423@mindlink.bc.ca> Gordon_Wong@mindlink.bc.ca (Gordon Wong) writes:
>Comments regarding Melrose Place (11/11/92):
>
>[1] New character: Jo Reynolds (Daphne Zuniga) So what did viewers think of
>    the new character? At the beginning, she had a chip on her shoulder, and
>    I didn't like her. She loosened up by show's end. But she seems like a
>    character who could handle herself.

I don't like her.  In real life, I think a personality like she displayed
when looking at the apartment would have gotten everybody saying "No, thanks"
to her pretty irrevocably pretty fast.  I didn't think think her mellowing
out or the revelation of her troubles in New York were very realistic.

Is the Sandy character out of the show for good?  I thought she was at
least more interesting than the married couple or Rhonda and Matt (?).

>[3] The unbelieveable parts:
>
>    [a] When did Jake start having this problem with the water (when both
>        his and the apartment above are using the hot water, the one belows
>        gets the cold water)? If this was true, then why didn't Jake get upset
>        when there were TWO tenants in the apartment before (Sandy and
>        Rhonda).

Just another convenient TV device, thought up for this episode.

>[4] Questions:
>
>    [a] When the wife was abused by her husband, shouldn't they have called
>        the police, rather than getting patched up at Michael's apartment.

That should have come up.  We can pretend that they talked about it after
that cut-away scene where his wife cried that she still loved him, and that
they decided to give him a chance to turn himself in (to the hospital, anyway --
are they then required to tell the police?).

Personally, I find these social-crisis-of-the-week shows a bore.  Let's see,
abortion (handled extremely gingerly), race issues, miscarriage, stalking,
gay bashing/discrimination.  I guess they have a Big Social Issue about every
other show.

>    [b] The advertised apartment for rent was for another apartment. Did
>        someone else move out? Or are there some tenants that live there but
>        who the viewers never get to see.

>    [c] Doesn't this seem like a common theme: Michael does something to
>        upset Jane, or Michael doesn't agree with something Jane suggested,
>        then by show's end, Michael sees the light.

I find them tiresome and unrealistic.

>    [d] Billy waits up for Alison too much ... me thinks ... he's just like
>        a parent waiting for the kid to come home.

Or a protective big brother.

I like Billy and Allison the best of all the characters.  They are almost
realistic.  Everyone else is either a token or a cardboard cutout.  

Of course, Billy, though immature on the surface, is the one who deep down
is Really There for Allison and I suppose if the show lasts they'll get
together or at least flirt with the idea (pun intended).
From: sbc@po.CWRU.Edu (Scott B. Casteel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: QL stories?
Date: 23 Nov 1992 03:48:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


I only got to read one small part of the LeapTreks. I would 
appreciate it if someone could e-mail these stories to me. I 
really liked Leap of Faith and would like to have the other two
stories. Thanx in advance!
-- 
Scott Casteel <<sbc>>
   "Wanna make somethin' out of it?"
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From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B)
Subject: Re: What series were not produced in LA?
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:03:25 GMT

Many people mentioned shows shot in Vancouver.  Stephen
J. Cannell set up shop up there, apparently, so most of his
shows are done there (Wiseguy, Hat Squad, Street
Justice, etc.).

Forever Knight takes place in (and seems to be shot in)
Toronto, right?  I'm pretty sure that's where that tower
is.

The Equalizer really was shot in New York City.

Dark Justice is done in Barcelona, I think.  That's pretty
wild.  It takes place somewhere in the US (from all the
flags on the courthouse buildings), but I don't think
they say where.

Lots of Crimetime shows have strange credits (Sweating
Bullets is a "Canada-Mexico" joint venture, etc.). 
Anyone know the scoop on some of these things? 

ab
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv,oh.general
From: jtripp@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John L Tripp)
Subject: Re: The Ghoul/Ghoulardi (Cleveland)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 07:55:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.144802.23686@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> roth@csoadm.enet.dec.com
 (Lee Roth) writes:
>
>Now for a regional query. Cleveland, to be specific.
>
Much stuff deleted, about watching a movie and some of the strange things done
"to" the movie (as opposed to being in it originally).

>Now for some questions...based on my dim recollections. Regional experts
>from Cleveland, this is your cue...
>
I'll only answer some of your questions. First of all, let me shock you by
telling you I remember ghoulardi from TOLEDO tv, Fall 1964 and earlier.
I was about 10, and I remember how he used to blow up stuffed animals
w/firecrackers. I couldn't believe the stuff he used to do. We would sit
there and laugh wickedly as we saw each stunt coming. I don't remember
anything other than the firecracker stuff. It must have made such an im-
pression that it blocked out everything else.

>  1) Was the character name described above 'The Ghoul' or 'Ghoulardi'?
>     What was the name of his show?

Ghoulardi, definitely. I think they just called the show "Ghoulardi".


>  2) I heard that the original dude left/was fired/was cancelled and a
>     poor imitation followd for a short while... this may explain the 2
>     different names in #1 above. Can anyone clarify this?

I remember hearing he got fired for some of the outrageous things he did, but I
don't really know that. But judging from what I remember, how would they NOT
fire him, especially way back in the 60's?

   3) Was the original guy's name Ernie Anderson? I heard after leaving
>     the show he went to Hollywood and was doing voiceovers for TV shows
>     like Charlies Angels. I thought I saw 'Ernie Anderson' on the
>     credits for "America's Funniest Videos" as the announcer... is this
>     him?
              I don't got no idea.

>  4) What TV station in Cleveland did this run on? (I believe it is now
>     defunct.)
              I still don't go no idea.

>  5) Any dates as to when this stuff was on the air?
        I remember it from the early 60's. We left Toledo in Fall, 1964,
        so then and earlier.
>
>  6) I heard that viewers frequently sent in the props to be blown up;
>     some already fitted with the 'charges'. Heard a story that one of
>     these viewer contributions turned out to be a hefty one, more like
>     'ordinance' than a firecracker and it tore up part of the studio.
>     Did this really happen? Is that what got him removed from the air?
            I STILL don't got no idea!
>
>As I said, my memory is somewhat faded... any corrections, facts, other
>stories, etc. would be greatly appreciated.

Don't worry about your memory. You know what they say about Woodstock-
  If you can remember it, you probably weren't there.
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From: fielden@spot.Colorado.EDU (j. a. fielden)
Subject: Re: Jackson's movie
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:38:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.164935.1736@rayssd.ssd.ray.com> d8b@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Boudria) writes:
>My husband caught the tail end of the Jackson's Movie last night and I have
>a question.  We started discussing all the Jackson's and what they're doing
>now.  We know there were eight kids - two girls (LaToya and Janet) and six
>boys (Michael, Randy, Marlon, Tito, Germaine and .........).  That's the

Try nine kids 3 girls and 6 boys
all the ones you have listed  plus

Rebbie -- girl had a r&b hit a few years ago called Centipede

and the mystery Jackson whose name I can never remember not even
after seeing all of the Jacksons.

>problem, we can't think of the name.  While we were trying to think of it
>we started to pay real close attention to the movie and never heard them
>say the name (and we watched for about an hour).  So does anybody else know
>the last Jackson's name????  And why didn't they say anything about him in
>the last hour???  And why did all the kids call their father Joseph and not
>Dad????  Inquiring minds want to know.
>
>Denise

I wondered about that too.
From: Wedge@cup.portal.com (Craig Teruo Matsumoto)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Columbo : Bird in the Hand (Some Spoilers)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 23:12:45 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)


Thank God!  I waited all summer to see whether the "new"
Columbo format ("No Time to Die") was a permanent change.  Luckily,
it wasn't.

Mild spoilers follow:



























"A Bird in the Hand" was a catchy, gimmicky story that thankfully
went back to a variation of the old format.  I'm not a big fan of
Tyne Daly or Greg Evigan (actually, I don't like either one at all),
but they did a decent job.

So maybe they've given up on the "new" format, or maybe it was a one-time
experiment to begin with.  For "Bird," the music and the script
were even by Columbo veterans -- Dick de Benedictus and Jackson Gillis --
suggesting a return to more familiar ways.

One subtle thing that I really liked:  in the new movies, the sergeants
have been like straight men to Columbo, with an attitude like,
"Oh, that wacky lieutenant, what is he looking for now?"  Sort of like
they're trying to emphasize how eccentric Columbo is supposed to be
(as if we couldn't figure that out.)

This time, they went back to the old way, having other policemen get
impatient with him.  I don't know, I just like it better that way.
Columbo's character isn't all that subtle to begin with; it's nice
*not* having other people in the show pointing him out to us.

The ending was nice, too.  Only problem is, I've thought of that
haircut clue myself, and I've been trying to think of a way it could
fit in a Columbo story.  Now it's used.  Oh well.

One criticism comes to mind -- personally, I'm getting sick of mystery
shows with clues that are on videotape.  Everything that happens in
_Columbo_ seems to be videotaped for one reason or another.  In this
case, they had to make a real stretch to do it, too, by making the
football team's own film crew come out.

The videotape clue is a nice tool, but it's getting tiresome.
Nonetheless, this latest _Columbo_ was enjoyable and reasonably
painless.  I liked it.  Anybody else?

                                      -- Craig Matsumoto
                                         wedge@cup.portal.com
From: zornow@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Claudia Zornow)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:18:59 GMT
Subject: Re: The Ghoul/Ghoulardi (Cleveland)
Organization: HP SSD R & D
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv

alcorn@ces.cwru.edu (Justin Alcorn) writes: 

>>      We believe there were both: "Ghoulardi" was the original on channel
>>      8 here in Cleveland from around 1962 until late 60's. This was
>>      followed by "The Ghoul" on UHF Channel 61 (?) This was early 70's
>>      (probably).

> Yes, I remember the Ghoul - horror movies with funny voice-overs!
> I think it was 61 - Kaiser Broadcasting

That sounds right.  I watched the Ghoul in the early 
70's on WKBD-TV ch. 50 in Detroit, and that may have 
been a Kaiser station (it certainly was an independent).

Claudia
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
From: il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh)
Subject: Re: Picket Fences -> Mention of masturbation?  Oh boy.
Reply-To: iho@cac.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Tacoma
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:58:00 GMT

falkenha@ug.cs.dal.ca (Craig R. Falkenham) writes:
> Was I the only one who was really surprised by the frank conversation on
> 11/13's episode of Picket Fences dealing with masturbation?
> 
> "Since you have no boyfriend, and you're not in any relationship, I'd have
> to say that any sex you're having is ... ampidexterous?" (paraphrased)
> 
> (Later)
> 
> "Do you ever think of me?"
> "Once.  When you were thinner."

I missed this episode, so I can't really judge.  Was it somehow more
frank than the talk about the serial bather?  Even more frank than the
audio recording of the serial bather masturbating?

-- 
Il Hwan Oh                              | "You live and learn.
Computer Facilities Manager             |   At any rate, you live."
University of Washington, Tacoma        |            -- Douglas Adams
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
From: rick@sadtler.com (Rick Morris)
Subject: Re: Energizer Bunny's resume
Organization: Sadtler Research Laboratories
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:32:02 GMT

In article <By6A1v.K2s@news.udel.edu> nan@ravel.udel.edu (Nanette Reisor) writes:
>In article <By18I7.5Lu@ddsw1.mcs.com> dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com (DWT) writes:
>=>Has rec.arts.tv ever had a canonical list of the Bunny's appearances?
>=>I've started one from memory in no particular order:
>=>
>=>The Lone Ranger (leaves a battery instead of a silver bullet)
>=>Really White laundry additive (bunny gets bleached)
>=>Alfred Hitchcock's theme song and outline
>=>Chateau Marmoset wines
>=>Tres Cafe international coffees
>=>Airedale air freshener (bunny wears gas mask)
>=>Sputnik beet drink (weightless bunny spins about in mid-air)
>=>Chug-a-Cherry soda pop (bunny joins dancer upside down on ceiling)
>=>Optiphone long distance (bunny knocks over set divider)
>=>alarm! soap (bunny in raincoat interrupts shower)
>=>HiPS (on the Adventure Channel -- all-female SWAT team show)
>=>Dance with Your Feet (romantic movie)
>=>Marceau Soulenaire's underwater special (bunny is submerged in scuba gear)
>=>Nasatine decongestant
>=>Firmatene anti-diarrheal (bunny is parachuting past balloon)
>=>Ligamint liniment (bunny gets X-rayed and shows bones inside)
>=>Olga Montero and Her Magic Harp
>=>an Olga Christmas [ever call the 800 number?]
>=>Sitagin suppositories
>=>Rottenbrau yuppie beer (bunny knocks mug over and head of foam turns out
>=>			to be plastic prop)
>=>
>=>Which have I missed?
>=>
>
>Darnital (sp?) for headache relief
>

How about those pork rind chips hawked by the football player?

-Rick.
-- 
Rick Morris                            Email:  rick@sadtler.com
Sadtler Research Labs, Philadelphia   -But I speak for myself
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From: helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: LAW & ORDER question
Date: 20 Nov 1992 18:55:16 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

In article <kf3F48m00iV1A2PlYn@andrew.cmu.edu> "Carol A. Buckner" <cb30+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Anybody know if they're writing the officer out of the script that was
>shot on Wednesday's (11/18/92) show? If so, why? I liked his character. 

My understanding is that Paul Sorvino wants to pursue his singing career.
I know, it sounds strange, but that's what I read in at least two
separate articles in the L.A. Times in the last several weeks.

And yes, he was one of the major reasons for watching the show.
He was certainly my favorite character, but Michael Moriarty and
Richard Brooks are wonderful too. When they give Brooks a chance
to stretch, he's great. And Steven Hill (Stone and Robinette's boss)
portrays a wonderful, world-weary resignation.

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From: sallylb@netcom.com (Sally Smith)
Subject: QL Cancelled -- NOT!!! -- and convention
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:08:40 GMT

First off, everyone calm down, QL is *NOT* in imminent danger of
cancellation.  Remember, folks, I've always warned you in the past
when things were looking bad, and I'll continue to do so when it's
warranted, with complete info on what to do. I remind you that people
have been trying to bury QL ever since it's been on the air. Trust
me, I'll tell you when it's time to panic. :-)

Still no solid convention news, either. Believe me, I'll be among the
first to know when there is, and I'll tell you guys as soon as I do.
I've been serving as the net.Leap.info.source for over 2 years now,
and the QL folks trust my connectivity and discretion. Accept no
substitutes, believe no rumors.

Lastly, sorry I haven't been around much lately, but heavy mundanity
took over there for a while. Unfortunately, my unread mailbox got so
big that Netcom archived and compressed it, and I haven't gotten it
uncompressed yet, much less read it, or answered it. Similarly, I
don't have the time to read all the back articles in these newsgroups,
so if you asked me anything, I won't have read it. Hopefully I'll be
able to keep up better now. I just hate it when real life interferes
with important things like netnews. :-)

Remember, Scott's on Arsenio today (Mon. 23rd) and QL is 2 hours long
tomorrow Tues. 24th, with the conclusion of the trilogy, parts 2 and 3
together (hmm, a trilogy in 2 showings, go figure...).

Sally


-- 
Sally Smith (510)790-0608  sallylb@netcom.com (I was sally@tardis.tymnet.com)
I'm unemployed--these opinions *must* be mine!
"Don't investigate this too closely." -- Don Bellisario, re: "Quantum Leap"
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: QL: FORM A NEWSGROUP ALREADY!!!!!
From: gutierrez@mdcbbs.com
Date: 20 Nov 92 07:13:26 GMT
Organization: EDS Unigraphics, Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: gutierrez

In article <1992Nov16.083234.29480@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) writes:
> 
> 
> 
> Am I the only one sick of having to sift through QL posts every
> day?  This is really getting out of hand.  I feel that a news
> group handling only Quantum Leap would be a great idea, and a 
> way to clear up this board.  Just my $10 dollars worth.
> 


You're not alone, friend, that's for sure!  I like QL, BUT, really
now.......ENOUGH ALREADY!!  Sheesh!  I open up this newsgroup to
read and participate in tv-related topics, not just QL.

So there!

Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
From: rwarren@vax2.concordia.ca (Rosemary A. Warren -- Montreal, Quebec, Canada)
Subject: Re: Jackson's movie
Summary: Michael Jackson's character  
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  Jackson
Organization: Concordia University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:04:00 GMT

In article <BxzIzn.L2E@tegra.com>, nad@tegra.com (Nancy Durgin) writes...
>I think in order of age they go:
> 
>	Jackie, Tito, Jermaine, Marlon, Michael, Randy
> 
>with the girls mixed in there somewhere (I think Janet is between Michael
>and Randy).
> 
>There was also a 3rd girl named "Rebie" or something like that.  She got
>married before they moved to California, against the wishes of her father.

The order of the boys is correct.  Rebbie was #1, before Jackie; LaToya was
#5, between Jermaine and Marlon; and Janet is the baby, after Randy.

>For my own question, were there 3 or 4 actors playing Michael?  Did they
>switch briefly to an older teenage Michael (the one who was complaining
>that he was ugly), or was that just the middle Michael made to look older?
>I thought the second Michael looked too old in a lot of the scenes.  I think
>he was playing age 9-14, and he looked more like 14 when he was supposed
>to be 9.

i'll have to check that one out myself officially this weekend, but I could 
have smacked Wylie Draper (Mikey as adult) a few times!!  Why did he have 
to get so bratty and moody?!?  i'm inclined to say 3.

"All the colors of the world should be
 Lovin' each other whole-heartedly ..."
	The Jacksons, "Can You Feel It?"

Rosemary Warren		rwarren@topaz.concordia.ca
Montreal's Favorite Jacksonmaniac !!!
(and founder/president of the Peacock Power Fan Club)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
From: jps4800@tamsun.tamu.edu (John Parrish Schweers)
Subject: Re: NX: Twice Next Week!
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:36:41 GMT

In article <Bxo89J.4A@fang.att.com> kimi@fang.att.com (Kimiye Tipton) writes:
>For those who don't read TV Guide cover to cover:
>
>Northern Exposure will be on twice next week-- the regular Monday
>night slot featuring Holling meeting a surprise daughter played
>by Valerie Perrine, and on Friday night at 10 p.m., a repeat
>of "Russian Flu", episode 1.5, in which Joel's fiancee' Elaine 
>comes to visit in the midst of a flu epidemic.  Must-see for 
>fans who missed the first season, especially those who've been

Apparently, CBS is doing this with several shows.  I watched the pilot for
Picket Fences and it was played the next Monday on CBS Late Night.  Not all
affiliates show the late night stuff.  This has also led people to believe that
NE has gone into syndication, which it hasn't.  It hasn't been on long 
enough.

-- 
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
John Schweers                         jps4800@tamsun.tamu.edu
                                      Aggieland, Texas
"Technology high, on the leading edge of life."
From: dfk0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (David F. Keppel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: NewGroup ALT.LOVEBOAT
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:38:30 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <By5K9L.GtG@world.std.com>, kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) w
rites:
>In article <92327.230218BTM105@psuvm.psu.edu> <BTM105@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>How about alt.loveboat for a newsgroup?
>
>Not unless you let me create alt.tv.small-wonder, alt.tv.woops,
>alt.tv.dangerous-women, alt.tv.amazing-discoveries, alt.tv.cop-rock,
>alt.tv.the-grudge-match, and alt.tv.tennessee-tuxedo-christmas-special.
>
Add these to the list; alt.richard.pryor.show; alt.nancy-walker.show;
alt.brady-bunch.reunion.christmas.special; alt.lola-falana.show.
alt.its-about-time.show (anyone else remember this?) alt.lawrence-welk.any.
holiday.specials

note: the pryor show was a pilot that never aired.
walker's show aired only one time

any more exclusives?


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