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From: knechod@stacc.med.utah.edu (Kevin Nechodom)
Subject: BOT sensing on a 7978B 6250 bpi tape drive
Organization: University of Utah STACC
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 15:00:54 GMT

I have a 7978B tape drive that is not on maintenance.  Three days ago,
it started missing the BOT mark during the rewind.  Yesterday, it was
rarely able to find the BOT during the load, and today, what's a BOT?

There is no obstruction in the sensor assembly, and the drive
self-tests all come back with no errors.  I suspect the infrared
transmit/receive pair is going out on me.  However, the part is $135,
and before I buy it, put it in, and discover that that isn't the
problem, I was hoping to hear of any other experiences with such a
problem and related solutions.

Please note that I am NOT trying to get free HP hardware consultation!
This is an extraordinary circumstance; my 730 IS on contract, but I'm
phasing out an old HP3000.  I would prefer not to call in somebody on
"Time & Materials", but, if I have to ...

I would appreciate any kind words.

Prethanks!

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From: ian@ukpoit.co.uk (Ian Spare)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: INN on HP UX 8.02
Date: 27 Aug 92 11:46:19 GMT
Organization: Post Office iT
NNTP-Posting-Host: george.ukpoit.co.uk


I have installed the recently released INN on our HP 9000/827 running on 
HP-UX 08.02 and experienced some problems with the innxmit program, 
basically when innxmit goes for a lock on /usr/spool/news/out.going/site.nntp
a 'bad file number' messages is returned.

As a temporary fix I've stopped innxmit examining the return from the lock
request. I set the lock mechanism to LOCKF as suggested in the README as
I have all other suggested config.data parms.

Has anyone else experienced this problem ? Does anyone have a more elegant fix ?

Ian


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From: ajs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Alan Silverstein)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: ksh and HP Console?
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:19:13 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

>       ENV=~/.kshrc
>       export ENV
> 
> This will make the ksh read your ~/.kshrc each time it creates a subsequent
> shell.

Unfortunately, that applies to shell scripts too.  There's a workaround,
from Korn himself -- as follows.

	How to only read .kshrc if in an interactive shell:

	> ENV='${START[(_$-=1)+(_=0)-(_$-!=_${-%%*i*})]}'
	> START=~/.kshrc
	> 
	> Please don't ask me how this works, but it does, even in the old ksh.

	I'll take a stab at it.  How better to learn?

	Note that you can write it a little more legibly as:

	ENV='${START[ (_$- = 1) + (_ = 0) - (_$- != _${-%%*i*}) ]}'

	Now the first part:

		ENV='...'

	ENV is evaluated for parameter substitution at every use.  The
	quotes hide the value from immediate evaluation.

		${START[...]}

	An element of array START, of which only [0] is defined (as the
	name of the .kshrc file).  A clever way to yield to null in some
	cases.

		(...) + (...) - (...)

	Surprise!  Array parameter indices can be arithmetic
	expressions, not just constants.  I overlooked this completely.

		_$- = 1

	The leading underscore is just a way to insure the left side is
	not null even if "$-" evaluates to null.  This is an assignment
	statement, the parameter assigned is named "_<current flags>",
	and it gets the value "1".  And the expression results in 1.

		_ = 0

	Here, a parameter named "_" gets the value "0".

		_$- != _${...}

	Now this is ugly.  The key is that "$-" and "${...}" are being
	expanded, and then on top of that the resulting parameter named
	"_<something>" is being expanded too...  a double evaluation.
	The parameter "_<current flags>" is compared with "_${...}" and
	the result is either 1 (true, they're different, so the element
	is 0, so ENV gets set to something) or 0 (false, they're the
	same, so ENV evaluates to null).

		-%%*i*

	If "$-" (current flags) matches "*i*" (contains an "i", for
	interactive), then it is completely ("%%") wiped to null.

	If the shell is interactive, "$-" includes "i" at least, so the
	left side is "$_<something non null>" which has value "1", and
	the right side is "$_<null>" which has value "0", so "!=" is
	true (1), so element 0 is used, so ENV evaluates to non-null, as
	desired.

	If the shell is not interactive, "$-" may be null or not.  (I
	think it never is, but that might be a defect of a different
	color.)

	If "$-" is not null, "$_<something>" (1) is equal to "$_<same
	something>" (1 again) and the expression yields zero, so element
	1 is used, so ENV evaluates to null, as desired.

	If "$-" is null, "$_" (0) is equal to "$_" (0), and so on,
	likewise.

	The reason for the complexity, I think, is the need to cover the
	case where "$-" is null.

	This is so perverse, I'd never use it without most of this
	explanation.

	Don't forget to export ENV and START.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: tobor@mits.mdata.fi (Olli Airio)
Subject: Re: Infotek AM320 & HP 9000/310
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 00:19:55 GMT


The name Infotek reminded me of something I've been meaning to ask:

Due to some very unfortunate circumstances I am supposed to find a memory
expansion for HP 822. After a short conversation with HP Finland, I found
out that they want an arm and a leg for such a thing.

So, I would appreciate any pointers on finding a reasonably priced 3rd
party product.
From: kwb@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Keith Blackwell)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:13:39 GMT
Subject: Re: Unkillable processes
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

In comp.sys.hp, ignatz@wam.umd.edu (Mark J. Sienkiewicz) writes:

>   Anyway, you can probably think of bunches more-- just think "What could
>   make a process wait in kernel mode?"

After a power glitch fried our local LAN, my s300's disk had a strange
problem (though fsck never complained):  whenever a process attempted
to access a particular directory (in which I had been working during the
power glitch), that process would hang in an unkillable state.  Obviously,
it was not possible to remove the directory, since removing it requires
accessing it.  Even a "stat(2)" call would cause a process to hang.
Even after rebooting (to clean up all those hung processes), the problem
persisted.  [this happened on HP-UX 8.0, by the way]

I eventually had to use fsdb(1M) to twiddle bits on the disk so as to
"remove" that directory.  I had to keep running fsdb and fsck over and
over until I got it right.  Not a fun job.  And a very dangerous one at
that.

I never found anything wrong with the directory's inode, though it's
possible that the "flags" field may have had some flag set inappropriately
and this caused the kernel to wait erroneously.  I've never heard of
anyone else having a problem like this (and I certainly don't know enough
about HP-UX internels to explain what *really* happened), but maybe someone
else might run into the same problem.  Using fsdb is a nightmare, but it
might be the only choice available.

---
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From: ajs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Alan Silverstein)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: installing 8user license over instant ignition
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:53:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpfcso.7371279
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

> When I see a message like that, I assume there is some sort of an error...
> i.e.  don't give out warning messages for what should be the normal
> operation.

Thanks for explaining.  Your feedback is noted.  Unfortunately, the
problem is the program doesn't know if the situation is normal operation
or not.  It might really be a problem.  Sigh, that's the hard thing
about user interfaces, it's difficult to know the context in advance and
say the right thing to all users.
From: sullivan@interex.UUCP (John Sullivan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Looking for freely available compressor
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:48:10 GMT
Reply-To: sullivan@interex. (John Sullivan (CSL/MPE))
Organization: INTEREX Sunnyvale, CA.

In article <151270006@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> cba@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Brian Abernathy) writes:

>If he is running MPE/V, he might check out the INTERACT contributed library.
>Seems that I heard someone say that there is a version of ARC available.

The MPE/CSL compressors are not compatible with ARC. 

My article in "INTERACT" (this is a magazine produced by INTEREX),
August 1992, page 126, discusses all compressors in the MPE/CSL.
All run on MPE XL, and all but one run on MPE V.  LZ (a DEC port) has the
best compression on MPE V; QUARK (based on LZW, I believe) has the best 
compression on MPE XL.

LZ can be used on MPE V, MPE XL and DOS, but only compresses standard files.

QUARK compresses only on MPE XL but compresses everything but KSAMXL.  Source
is not included.

Maybe someone is selling ARC for MPE?  I have heard rumors of this for years.
I expect a CSL version of PKZIP perhaps...but I don't want to spread rumors.

--john sullivan
  INTEREX
  The International Association of HP Compuser Users
  408/738-4848  fax: 408/736-2156
From: michali@tpdhp.uucp (Paul Michali)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: daemon won't start in rc file
Summary: How do I get daemon to run in rc
Keywords: daemon rc rc_local boot-up
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:26:22 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Teleglobe

Hi all.  We have several terminal servers that sit on our Ethernet and allow
users to log into any of our systems (including a HP 9000/375).  The terminal
servers use UDP protocol to download operational software, when they are
brought up.  This requires a daemon running on one or more hosts and we have
this daemon running on a Sun but are partially unsuccessful on the HP.  I
compiled the daemon software, ran it, and test booting a terminal server, and
everything seems to work.  Next I placed the line "/etc/erpcd" into the rc
file, but the daemon isn't running after we reboot the HP!!!!???? Is there
something really stupid, that I am forgetting?  The file protection is 755
and is owned by 'bin'.  I tried the line 'if [ -x /etc/erpcd ] then /etc/erpcd'
and some other variations (even with echo stmts) and it echos that it is
being started, but when checking later, there is no daemon running!

Bottom line is that I have to type /etc/erpcd *every* time after the system
restarts.  There has to be a better way.  Any ideas?

PCM

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From: dpayton@qcinet.Gwinnett.COM (Doug Payton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: PPL Chat script
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:08:21 GMT
Organization: Quality Consultants, Inc.

On an HP9000/827 running HP-UX 8.07:

I've been playing with ppl and trying to get it to hook up with a client
of ours.  Since (according to the manual) the login script syntax is
"identical to the UUCP Systems file", I copied it from there.

When uucp'ing to the remote site, all is well.  The chat script works
past an Equinox data switch to get to the "login:" prompt and all works
fine.  In ppl, however, the remote modem picks up, we wait a few seconds,
and send a carriage return to wake up the data switch, just like uucp,
but the data switch never responds with it's "Password:" prompt.  I'll
sit and watch the modem, and sure enough the send light is pumping out
the returns, but nothing comes back.

I've tried sending multiple carriage returns.  I've used the
"expect-RetryString-expect" to no avail (the RetryString is sent, but
still just a blank stare from the data switch).  I've tried Even, Odd 
and No parity.  

I've come to an impass.  

If anyone's got an idea, I'm all ears.  E-mail your thoughts, ideas, 
or flames, and I'll post a summary (of the suggestions that work :-).  
Thanks.  (Ummm, just kidding about the flames.)

Oh, while I'm on the subject, the example "command name" to run on the
remote system to initiate SLIP is (quoting the ppl.remotes(4) manual
entry) is "ppl\shewlett running" (the \s is for a space).  "hewlett" is
the name of the system that called in, which, I imagine, I would replace
with our system name.  But what this "running" parameter?  ppl(1) give
no clues.  Typo or semi-undocumented feature?  

Sincerely,

   Angst in Atlanta

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From: hstroyan@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Howard Stroyan)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:02:14 GMT
Subject: Re: Graphics adapter crx24 and Motif 1.1
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

In comp.sys.hp, tghe337@cdc835.cdc.polimi.it writes:

> Some news wanted about interfacing a CRX24 board with MOTIF 1.1
> widgets :
> 1) 24 bits depth drawing areas and related lut manipulation
> 2) simultaneous display of image planes and overlay ( 24+8 )

I spend my time on the 3D graphics API side of things, so MOTIF is
not my strong suit, but here are some pointers.

The CRX24 serve supports 4 different X visual:
	8 bit PseudoColor (overlay) - the default/root visual
	8 bit PseudoColor (image)   - like the default but in the image planes
	24 bit DirectColor(image)   - this is what you are looking for.
	12 bit DirectColor(image)   - not particularly useful except for 
								  3d API double buffering.

Look at the manual "Starbase Graphics Techniques": 
					Chapter 22  "Using Starbase with the X Window System"
									"Guidelines for Portability "

This section discusses the SERVER_OVERLAY_VISUALS property which can be
used as a portable means of determining overlay visual availability and
usage.

This information is applicable to pure X11 applications as well as 
Starbase.  I'm not as familar with the application of the transparency
index (returned by the SERVER_OVERLAY_VISUALS property) to the Motif
toolkits.  Perhaps someone else can fill in here.

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From: okuyama@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Darin Okuyama YR)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: CD-ROM drive
Summary: HP's CD-ROM drive
Keywords: CD-ROM drive delivery time
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:39:55 GMT
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035

I just received a quote from an HP sales rep and
in this quote are estimates for delivery times.
The average delivery time for most of the equipment
is about six weeks (a little high, but I can live
with that).  The shocker was the CD-ROM drive;
11 weeks, I am not making this up.  You have to
sit down for this next one: the power cord for
the CD-ROM drive will take 14 weeks.  Does anyone
in the company realize you cannot install unbundled
software without the drive.  All this makes me
lose confidence in HP; one has to ask, are they
a serious workstation company?

What's the deal, HP?

Darin Okuyama
NASA Ames Research Center
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: franl@centerline.com (Fran Litterio)
Subject: Re: Linker selection of symbols from shared-libs
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:25:12 GMT

stuart@TIVOLI.COM (Stuart Jarriel) writes:

> Lets say I have a shared lib, libmine.sl, and there is a function in
> libmine.sl called write().
> 
> So I build my program with:
> 
> cc program.c -o program -lmine
> 
> will program use the write in libc.sl or in libmine.sl?
> 
> (actually, the answer is libc.sl)
> 
> Can I force the opposite behavior, so that my library can overwrite the
> symbols provided in libc.sl?

You should be able to use the -L option to make ld(1) look in the
directory containing libmine.sl before it looks in /lib and /usr/lib.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: sdawson@limbo.engin.umich.edu (Scott Dawson)
Subject: vhangup() (or equivalent) call in HPUX?
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 19:23:17 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: sdawson@limbo.engin.umich.edu


I have code for rlogind which I am trying to port to an hp9000/7xx
machine running 8.07.  This code tries to do a vhangup() which
according should, according to the manpage on a DECstation 5000, do 
the following:

1.  Search system tables for references to the current terminal and
    revoke access permissions on each instances it finds.
2.  Remove all references to the inode which corresponds to the
    control terminal.
3.  Invoke the kernel's device close routine to turn the terminal off.
4.  SIGHUP the process group of the control terminal.

When this is done the terminal line is initialized, no other processes
refer to the line.  The only way for other processes to access the
control terminal is through special file /dev/tty.  All other requests
will yield I/O errors (EBADF).

Does anyone know of a similar call in HPUX, or know what HPUX telnetd
and rlogind use to get clean/secure terminal with no open descriptors
to it?  The closest I can get is hanging up the terminal by setting the 
output speed to 0.  This wouldn't accomplish any of the revoking access 
stuff.  It would certainly seem that there would be something similar, 
but I can't find references to it anywhere.

Please respond in email to sdawson@engin.umich.edu

Thanks in advance,
-Scott Dawson
From: atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Randall Atkinson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: /usr/lib/X11(R4)/config for 9000/700
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:50:02 GMT
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, DC

In article <63300096@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com> kk@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Konstantinos Konstantinides) writes:

>Unsupported, but working versions for /config and the Athena
>widgets can be found in hpcvaaz.cv.hp.com via anon. ftp
>in pub/MitX11R4 or pub/MitX11R5.
>
>Yes, it is pitiful (and a major pain to retype this message
>every two days or so :-) )

Um.  The widgets libraries and headers for X11R4 (current HP release) are
there.  Imake and the config files needed are NOT there.  I wish they
were there...

Ran
atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil
From: batman@mb5000.anes.upmc.edu (William E Madden Jr.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: A few SCSI questions.
Keywords: SCSI HP705  Disk drives
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:38:06 GMT
Organization: UPMC

Ok, I lost my NNTP connection in mid-entry of the last message, so if
you get two of these, sorry about that.

I'm posting this for a friend who doesn't have Internet access yet.  We
don't follow this group, so please send replies to wemst7@unix.cis.pitt.edu or madden@cdi01s.cdi.com .  Thanks in advance.
We're developing a SCSI based device that is accessed as a raw disk drive.....  Now, onto the questions....
			-Bill

Howdy (yet again)....
    I have a couple of questions regarding the current scsi implementation on the HP705.
    a) On the data lines, is parity implemented and if so what sense does it have?
    b) Which scsi is used? (scsi-1 or the draft scsi-II standard...or something else?)  Particulars on this are:
            1) after arbitration and selection (HP is initiator) is the
        IDENTIFY message automatically sent as the next phase?
             2) is /ATN routinely set whenever a message out request
        is pending?
             3)  for random access devices, which messages and 
         commands besides the scsi-II mandatories are implemented?
              4) for the random access type target, are there any
          group 5 (12 byte blocks) commands implemented, and if so
          is the scsi-1 or scsi-II "typical" block structure
           used?
              5) for raw disc-type random access devices, is a
           FORMAT command ever used and if so, how are the returned
           data used to calculate later calls to logical block
           addresses (if used at all)?


I'll probably have more fun questions later. In the meantime, thanks
for all the help.


paul

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From: mike@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mike McNelly)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:46:21 GMT
Subject: Re: "script" broken in HP-UX 8.07??
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

> I recently updated an HP 9000 720 to HP-UX 8.07 from 8.05.  The program
> "script" (which simply logs terminal output to a file) no longer works:
> 
> I get the starting message "Script started, file is <foo>"
> and then it immediately dies with the message
                   > "Script done due to signal 10, file is <foo>"
> 
> Where could this signal be coming from?
> 
> Any advice,
> Drew
> Andrew Kompanek
> Dept of Human Genetics
> University of Pittsburgh
> e-mail: drew@chimera.hgen.pitt.edu, ak10@andrew.cmu.edu

Yes, script is broke on 8.07.  I believe there's a patch for it
available through your support engineer but I'm not certain of that
since I have limited access to these patches myself (being an internal
user).  Check with your support person.

Mike McNelly
mike@fc.hp.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: hp@unibi.uni-bielefeld.de (Harald Picard)
Subject: Info about SCSI-discs needed
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 09:26:34 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld

Hello everybody,

I need information about a HP C2230 SCSI disk, to make a disktab-entry
for a HP9k/7xx. I would also like to hear something about a HP C2247 SCSI disk.
Is it a 1GB-disc, which can be used as internal disc in HP9k/7xx?

Thanks in advance
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