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From: silk@dorm.rutgers.edu (The Silk Merchant)
Newsgroups: soc.college,misc.consumers
Subject: Question about the Scholarship Research Center (money finder)
Keywords: college question scholarship research money help
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:34:43 GMT
Followup-To: soc.college
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Question: There's this place which is advertising around Rutgers U.
which offers to find me money for college. They guarantee it. They
only give places which have no-fee applications. It's only $45. How
can they afford it? Has anyone else tried it? Is it worth even
considering it? Has anyone tried anything like it? It seems like a
good deal. Even so good as to be too good to be true. Help?

Please respond via email. I'll read these groups if I have to, but I
won't enjoy it (not very much time available, sorry to say).

Thanks.
Daniel
silk@dorm.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: jsc2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Jeffrey S. Cook)
Subject: How to Read Replies???
Summary: need help on how to read replies
Keywords: help
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 21:22:24 GMT


Does anyone out there know how to read replies to a posted message?

Thanks,
Jeff Cook
(jsc2@ra.msstate.edu)

Newsgroups: soc.college,talk.rape
From: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: fraternities
Reply-To: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago, Dept of Molecular Genetics
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 02:46:12 GMT

In article <kumgjpINNh8@corvus.usc.edu>, rone@corvus.usc.edu (Ron A. Echeverri) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.165918.10584@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>In article <cdukYxq00WB9MxSnpE@andrew.cmu.edu> es2q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Erik Warren Selberg) writes:
>>>1) If one individiual chapter does indeed have a penchant for
>>>committing rape, this does not imply that any other chapter (even of
>>>the same fraternity) does as well.
>>>2) If a Greek system as a whole has a penchant to commit rape, this
>>>does not imply that Greek systems everywhere do as well.
>>>3) If several Greek systems have penchants to commit rape, this does
>>>not imply that all Greek systems do.
>
>>By this standard, cigarette smoking doesn't cause lung cancer, either.
>
>It doesn't. EXCESSIVE cigarette smoking causes lung cancer.
>

Please find someone who smokes and read the surgeons generals warning.
(There are 4, and one has to do with lung cancer).
If that doesn't convince you, try and find a study that defines the word 
'excessive cigarette smoking'

We now return you to the discussion in talk.rape, already in progress.

Ted's point above stands.   There is a positive corrleation between frat
membership and rape.  When there is such a statistical correlation, in 
science, there are 4 possibilities.
If A is positively correlated with B,
then 
1)	A causes B      				OR
2)      B causes A                                      OR
3)	A and B are caused by something common (C)      OR
4)	the correlation between  A and B is accidental 
        (this can be excluded by tests of statistical significance).

Applying this principle to the correlation mentioned above, the possibilities
are:

Either 1) being a frat membership causes increased likelihood to rape.

or     2) people who are 'potential rapists' are more likely to join and
be accepted to frats than those who are not.

or     3) something else causes people to join frats and be more likely
to rape  (the something else could be physical, psychological, social, etc).

       4) the correlation is accidental. 
	This is not likely given the # of studies, and the sample size in
the studies.

I believe that 1, 2 and 3 are all true, to some extent.


>-- 
>..signature: defunct due to sig virus
>Reconstruction in process

Leon Gross
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV
Xref: sparky soc.college:2018 talk.rape:934
From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.college,talk.rape
Subject: Re: fraternities
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:36:09 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Apr14.165918.10584@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
> In article <cdukYxq00WB9MxSnpE@andrew.cmu.edu> es2q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Erik Warren Selberg) writes:

>>3) If several Greek systems have penchants to commit rape, this does
>>not imply that all Greek systems do.
> 
> By this standard, cigarette smoking doesn't cause lung cancer, either.
> -- 

Ted, once again your logic eludes me. What in hell are you talking about?
The first person said, if some greeks are rapists, many are not, then
you come up with that strangecomment about lung cancer. Where's the connection?
I really want to know, I'm not flaming you.
Mike
From: Isabelle.Marie-Anne.Rosso@dartmouth.edu (Isabelle Marie-Anne 
 Rosso)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: GROW UP
Date: 5 Apr 92 15:56:51 GMT
 <1992Apr2.134829.1492@midway.uchicago.edu>  
 <1992Apr4.202420.10698@husc3.harvard.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH


      Well put Ron... I'm sure everyone has more interesting
contributions to make to this newsgroup than pointless, ridiculous,
un-interesting flames.
       Besides, the debate about the fraternity system cannot be
solved. There are good and bad things about the Greek houses...some see
the former, others concentrate on the latter. Let's just give it a rest
and try to be a little more tolerant.

Isabelle.Rosso@Dartmouth.edu
From: pshuang@athena.mit.edu (Ping-Shun Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Any APO brothers or sisters out there?
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:54:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: W20-575-.PSHUANG.92Apr16185400
Distribution: usa
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <70428@ut-emx.uucp> pball@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Pablo Cantu) writes:

 > Is there any one out there that is a member of ALPA PHI OMEGA (APO)?
 > [....] wondering if anyone out there is also a member of APO so we
 > can exchange ideas and information on how our chapters run and any
 > service projects you might be doing.

Hi, I'm a brother in APO, and I'm certainly happy to correspond with
people via e-mail. You might want to know that there is a mailing list
of several hundred brothers from all over the country which you can
subscribe to. The mailing list signal-to-noise ratio varies but is
generally pretty good. Although it is not a channel of communication
officially sponsored by Nationals, a good number of sectional chairs and
regional staff, etc., read it as well as active brothers.

The list is called APO-L, and it runs on Bitnet. You can easily
subscribe from the Internet, however. To subscribe, you need to send
mail to LISTSERV@PURCCVM.BITNET with the below line as the only text in
the body of the mesasge itself:

	SUBSCRIBE APO-L "Your normal name here"

Note that you do not need to provide your e-mail address explicitly,
just your actual name in real life. Since the address is a Bitnet
address, you should find out from gurus at your site what's the best and
nearest Bitnet-Internet gateway to use. If and only if there are none
and you've given a good effort trying to find one, you can address the
message to "LISTSERV%PURCCVM.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu". Note that the first
punctuation is a percentage sign, the second an at-sign.

---
Yours in Leadership/Fellowship/Service,
Ping Huang, AX chapter of APO @ M.I.T. (pshuang@athena.mit.edu)

--
Above text where applicable is (c) Copyleft 1991, all rights deserved by:
UNIX:/etc/ping instantiated (Ping Huang) [INTERNET: pshuang@athena.mit.edu]
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: gfouque@csi.UOttawa.CA (Gilles Fouque)
Subject: Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences, NYC
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 20:20:08 GMT

Does anyone has the e-mail adress of :

Weyuker, E.J.
Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences of New York University

or of any other person working there.

Thanks

Gilles Fouque
Ottawa university
gfouque@csi.uottawa.ca
From: jeremiah@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Steam Tunnel Police
Date: 12 Apr 92 16:51:37 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

One other thing I remembered about the tunnels here...  Two years ago 
there were stories of unofficial people patrolling the tunnels and chasing 
students out.  From what I was able to ascertain from those who had met 
them, it was two guys  wearing industrial coveralls, with some weird
official loking patch on the  breast pocket.  They had miners' helmets,
breathing apparatus, full sealed  face shields, neoprene gloves, big Mag
Lites, and police radios that  seemed to be wired to mics in the masks. 
They said they were from the phone  company, but something tells me they
weren't.  At least not at 2:30 am  they weren't.  
-- 
Jeremiah Wilton    "jeremiah@yang.earlham.edu"    "jeremiah@earlham.bitnet"
Newsgroups: soc.college
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Subject: CFV: soc.penpals
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Amherst
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:57:22 GMT
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From: ecomfort@engws7.ic.sunysb.edu (Michael De Paola)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Catholic University of America
Date: 12 Apr 92 01:16:07 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Originator: ecomfort@engws7.ic.sunysb.edu

Does anyone know what's going on with accounts at the Catholic University of
America?  Undergraduates were given accounts on a machine that was not directly
on the net, but used a CUA gateway to get to the machine.  Now there is no
gateway.  It appears to have a standard Internet address for mailing but I
can't telnet or ftp there.  Does anyone know why?  I'm sorry to post this
question on this news group but I don't know where else I should have done it.
If someone knows, please let me know.  Thanks in advance.
-- 
******************************************************************************
*                               Michael De Paola                             *
*----------------------------------------------------------------------------*
* ecomfort@libserv1.ic.sunysb.edu                 ecomfort@ccmail.sunysb.edu *
*----------------------------------------------------------------------------*
*         Especially for Vicki: IN%"ecomfort@libserv1.ic.sunysb.edu"         *
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Newsgroups: soc.college
From: twhr7@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Florida Com Sci Schools
Reply-To: twhr7@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 22:22:26 GMT

Does anyone know which of the universities in Florida have the best
Com Sci programs?
	Thanks in advance.  BG
Newsgroups: soc.college,talk.rape
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: fraternities
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:06:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.203345.5128@ac.dal.ca> 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
>However, by your reasoning, because you are male, you are 9 times more 
>likely to commit rape than a woman. *I* could conclude, then, that you
>are a potential rapist. All the first poster asks is for you not to generalize.
>It's really easy to turn that generalization around.

But I am nine times more likely to commit rape than a woman, ceteris
paribus.  If all you know about me is that I'm an American male, that's
a perfectly reasonable conclusion.  The more data we add to the picture
(age, fraternity membership, attitudes towards violence, attitudes towards
dating, etc.), the more accurate a prediction we can make.

It isn't a generalization.  It's a conclusion to a great deal of research.
-- 
Ted Frank          + "Question whether attorney's filing claim for 'stud fee'
1307 E 60 St, #109 +  as countersuit to paternity action was improperly
U o' C Law Skool   +  motivated required remand."  Headnote 9, Committee on
Chi, IL 60637      +  Legal Ethics of WVa State Bar v Douglas, 370 SE2d 325.
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: jho1@Ra.MsState.Edu (John Hampton Oldshue)
Subject: Naval Academy E-mail
Summary: Naval Academy E-MAil
Keywords: Naval Academy E-mail
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 06:06:37 GMT


Date: 14 Apr 92 06:06:37 GMT
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Naval Academy E-mail
Summary: Naval Academy E-MAil
Keywords: Naval Academy E-mail
Does anyone out there know how to "finger" someone at the Naval
Academy or send E-mail there. If so please reply to jho1@ra.msstate.edu
Thanks
John Oldshue
.
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: fraternities
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:02:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.203609.5129@ac.dal.ca> 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.165918.10584@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>> In article <cdukYxq00WB9MxSnpE@andrew.cmu.edu> es2q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Erik Warren Selberg) writes:
>>>3) If several Greek systems have penchants to commit rape, this does
>>>not imply that all Greek systems do.
>> 
>> By this standard, cigarette smoking doesn't cause lung cancer, either.
>
>Ted, once again your logic eludes me. What in hell are you talking about?
>The first person said, if some greeks are rapists, many are not, then
>you come up with that strangecomment about lung cancer. Where's the connection?
>I really want to know, I'm not flaming you.

I was pointing out that his comment was irrelevant to the debate.  No one
says that every single fraternity member is a rapist.  So either his
comment was frightfully obvious, or he was trying to say that, despite
the wealth of evidence, one can't conlude that fraternities cause rape.

Let's apply his exact same reasoning to drunk driving:

1) If one drunk driver does indeed have a penchant for
having accidents, this does not imply that any drunk driver
does as well.

2) If drunk drivers in one area have a penchant to having accidents, this
does not imply that drunk drivers everywhere do as well.

3) If drunk drivers in several areas have penchants for having
accidents, this does not imply that all drunk drivers do.

It's a very cute argument against prejudice against drunk drivers, no?
-- 
Ted Frank          + "Question whether attorney's filing claim for 'stud fee'
1307 E 60 St, #109 +  as countersuit to paternity action was improperly
U o' C Law Skool   +  motivated required remand."  Headnote 9, Committee on
Chi, IL 60637      +  Legal Ethics of WVa State Bar v Douglas, 370 SE2d 325.
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: tjf2b@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Timothy Fox)
Subject: Hazing (NOT on Fraternities strand)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 04:19:24 GMT


Although I'm certain that everyone in this newsgroup is sick to death of the
now-mutant "soc.college.greek" RFD, I'd like to make a request on a related
issue: hazing of pledges.

I'm researching an article on fraternity hazing, and I want to ask everyone
for stories or anecdotes about particularly creative and/or degrading
pledge initiation practices about which they've heard (or which they have
experienced themselves).

I have no desire to draw myself into the current "Fraternities" strand
fray, and I don't need statements about whether or not a particular group
encourages or discourages these practices theoretically. I only want to
hear of the rumors, legends, and actual events surrounding fraternity
hazing.

Please E-mail any relevant and interesting (none of the standard Animal House
"Thank you sir may I have another" variety) rumors about pledge hazing to 
me at "tjf2b@Virginia.EDU" as soon as possible (deadlines, you know).

I would be particularly interested in events of psychological hazing and 
pledge initiation abuse in sororities.

If netters are interested, I will post a summary to the net, but please
respond by E-mail only.

Thanks!
--
            Timothy Fox  | "He makes toys do things they would never, ever do."
     tjf2b@Virginia.EDU  |  The Gumby Heart Song (Original TV Theme)
                         |  Frank Sinatra, Jr.
                         |
Organization: Computing Technology Services, Michigan Technological Univ.
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 12:31:23 EST
From: <MKHORTOP@MTUS5.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: address for Letouneau U?

Good morning,
  Does  anybody out there know the e-mail
address for  Letouneau (spelling?) University
in Longview Texas?

                thanks in advance...
                     Matthew Hortop
              mkhortop@mtus5.cts.mtu.edu
                 mkhortop@mtus5.BITNET
From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: fraternities and drug use
Date: 17 Apr 92 11:33:25 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <703312734251@dingding.mcs.anl.gov>, madden@dingding.mcs.anl.gov (Mr. William P. Madden) writes:
> Getting off the current thread, I would like candid replies on drug use at
> social fraternities, especially during initiation and the like. I was in a 
> social fraternity in the mid to late 80's, and at that time it was quite
> widespread.
> 
> I dont regret my membership and time spent there, I live by experience, and
> there are positive and negitive aspects to any experience. Three Rhodes 
> Scholars in 5 years is not that shoddy either. :)
> 
> Bill
Hey, I'm impressed ;-). With my fraternity, we have a rule :no drugs (barring 
alcohol) in the house at any time. I myself have done mushrooms once, but that
was in the middle of the Alberta wilderness. The basic attitude taken with us
was no drugs in the house, ever, by anyone, but we can't control what members
do *outside* the house.

Mike
From: johnsond@unvax.union.edu (Dale Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Looking for Pete Bachmore, Lafayette College.
Date: 9 Apr 92 05:21:24 GMT
Organization: Union College, Schenectady, NY

I'm looking for a friend of mine from Patchogue-Medford High School on Long Island, New York.  If you have any information, please e-mail me at:

johnsond@unvax.union.edu

Thanks.
--Dale.
Xref: sparky soc.college:1937 talk.rape:891
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: soc.college,talk.rape
Subject: Re: fraternities
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:59:18 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <cdukYxq00WB9MxSnpE@andrew.cmu.edu> es2q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Erik Warren Selberg) writes:
>In regards to the flames concerning rape & fraternity involvement, I'd
>like to make a few points.
>
>1) If one individiual chapter does indeed have a penchant for
>committing rape, this does not imply that any other chapter (even of
>the same fraternity) does as well.
>
>2) If a Greek system as a whole has a penchant to commit rape, this
>does not imply that Greek systems everywhere do as well.
>
>3) If several Greek systems have penchants to commit rape, this does
>not imply that all Greek systems do.

By this standard, cigarette smoking doesn't cause lung cancer, either.
-- 
Ted Frank          + "He wanted to be the car rather than the thimble or the
1307 E 60 St, #109 +  hat."  -- District attorney explaining Marc Cienkowski's
U o' C Law Skool   +  murder with bow and arrow of Michael Klucznik in
Chi, IL 60637      +  Doylestown Borough, PA over a game of Monopoly.
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: banerji@dirac.physics.sunsyb.edu (Pratip K. Banerji)
Subject: Re: Wait Listed...
Reply-To: banerji@dirac.UUCP (Pratip K. Banerji)
Organization: Institute for Theoretical Physics, SUNY at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:13:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.174515.5183@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Gregory.Park@dartmouth.edu (Gregory Park) writes:
>we all know the real studs go to dartmouth. the ivy league of the ivy
>league

Oh yeah?


-- 
Pratip K. Banerji/\banerji@max.physics.sunysb.edu/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-pbanerji@sbccmail.BITNET=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

>:*)	Bozo the Clown
From: h2m@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (JA)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Steam Tunnels
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:37:53 EST
Followup-To: alt.folklore.college,soc.college
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

In article <43924@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>,
gfritz@sage.cc.purdue.edu ("Happy Fun Ball") writes: 
> That's what I hear about Purdue's steam tunnels.  One of the Deans of
> Students told me that you can be charged with trespassing if you're caught.  
> Local legend has it that the punishment is so swift and severe that you don't
> really know what hit you -- one day you go get your mail, and you find a 
> refund for your tuition.  Pretty harsh.
> 

WOW!!!!!!

They'ed give you a refund of your tuition that easily!?!?!?!?!?!?

WOW!!!!!!      :)

later....
ja

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