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From: ehlerswm@hackney.ecn.purdue.edu (William Mark Ehlers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Announcer's call of NLCS
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:05:02 GMT
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Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Oct15.145350.22462@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> doli@troi.cc.rochester.edu (David Oliver) writes:
>On ESPN this morning they replayed Skip Caray's (sp?) call of the final hit.
>Unfortunately I was on the phone and didn't quite get it at the beginning
>it started out like:
>Her'e's the pitch. It's lined into. One run scores. Here comes Bream...Here comes the throw...HE's SAFE!!!!!
>and then the part I remember:
>
>"THE BRAVES WIN THE PENNANT!...THE BRAVES WIN THE PENNANT!...THE BRAVES WIN
>THE PENNANT!...THEN BRAVES WIN THE PENNANT!...THE BRAVES WIN THE PENNANT!!!!"
>
>Hmmmmmm, sounds familiar?
>
>-David Oliver
>SIGN KIRBY PUCKETT!!!

	Actually, Skip took a page out of his Dad's (Harry) book....

	[Not the exact quote but very close]

	There's a big hole in right center field.  If Cabrerra can put it
	there the Braves are going to the series.  The pitch..It's lined into
	left field..Justice scores to tie the game..there sending Bream..here
	comes the throw......he's safe!!!!!  Braves win  Braves win  Braves
	win Braves win Braves win......

later
		---Mark
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From: "stephen dawson" <stephen.dawson@canrem.com>
Subject: not morris in game 4!
Reply-To: "stephen dawson" <stephen.dawson@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:42:28 EST

This IS heresey, that I am about to speak. After all, it wasn't so
much Minnesota that won the World Series, it was Jack Morris, and a
few other guys.

And Jack DID win 21 games this year.

But Morris is NOT the best Blue Jay starter RIGHT NOW. I was not
surprised at his performance in game 1. I wanted Duane Ward so badly
in the ninth inning in the first game...

David Cone is the best starter right now. As I write this, he just
wiped out the A's in the first inning.

Guzman is back, and healthy, and just pitched a one hitter over
eight innings to clinch the Jays Eastern Conference title.

Jimmy Key has been great in the last six weeks.

As I posted last week, based on September/October performance alone,
Morris would not get a start. (!).

I hope they go to Key in game four. Otherwise the Jays may need two
wins from both Cone and Guzman to reach the World Series.

    STEPHEN
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From:  (Gerry "Lurking's passe" Gryschuk)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: The Jays will CRUSH Oakland!!!!
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:58:33 GMT
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Organization: University of Saskatchewan

From article <18125@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, by zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Hovercraft Mandibles Huckabay):
> 
[Pathetic Jays Woofing by an avowed A's fan deleted ...]

Gary,Gary,Gary to sink to such lows. I thought you were above this sort
of trickery. The baseball Gods are not so easily fooled and your words
have come back to haunt you.

How about that great managerial move of pitching to Olerud instead of
Winfield? Ranks right up there with having Mark Mcguire sacrifice. Geez
me thinks Larussa is getting senile.
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From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Braves in Fulton for '93?
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:12:53 GMT
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, bm562@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard L. Trionfo) says:

>
>  I heard somewhere that the Braves will be moving to the new 
>Olympic Stadium they are building for the '96 games.  I do
>not know when they are moving, but they said it will not be
>a baseball monstrocity that Olympic Stadium in Montreal has
>been described as (I am just going on commentary, never been
>there).
>                      Rich

     I read that they wil somehow "cut it in half," whatever that means,
after the Olympics, with parking comprising the other part of the site - this
will prevent osme of the seating from being ridiculously far away.
     I imagine what will happen is that they'll wind up with a park about
45,000-55,000 in capacity, with about as many bleacher seats as in Dodger
Stadium.  Only problem I can see is being able to do that and have it
ready for '97; sounds like they'll have to wait till '98 or so to make sure
it all works.  It'll be neat to see a great longball hitter hit one into
a parking lot. (I think you can do that at Shea, from what I've seen on
TV.)
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From: steph@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)
Subject: Re: Pittsburg Fans
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 00:14:59 GMT

James Francis Thomas <jt2t+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
[snip]
>I say fair Weather Atlanta Fans because of my observations during game 5
>of the NLCS.  I was sitting next to a group of Braves fans, and I knew
>more about the Braves than they did.  They had no clue who Smith was,
>and they didn't know who Leibrandt was either.  I guess that these guys
>didn't pitch well enough this year for these fans to hear about them. 
>To add further to my amazement, they thought that the Braves had
>previously won a World Series before.  I'm glad that these folks aren't
>Pirate fans.

The Braves *have* previously won a World Series.  Most recently in '57,
-- 
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From: re4@prism.gatech.EDU (RUSSELL EARNEST)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: batting tips
Summary: Know when to say when
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:53:17 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

> In article <1992Oct8.212111.21537@news2.cis.umn.edu>, sue@gopher.ccbr.umn.edu (Sue Meger) writes:
> > 
> > I'm learning how to bat and have been practicing at a Grand Slam.
> > Please e-mail (to the above address) or post any batting tips you
> > want to share.

Tip 1; Never go to the plate until three runners are on base.



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From: ventura@camelot.bradley.edu (Brian Wawczak)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Memories From Last Night....
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:31:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: camelot.ventura.719181104
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Organization: Bradley University

Van Slyke sitting in the outfield watching in disbelief with his cap tipped 
down across his head five minutes after the end of the game.

So close...and yet, so far away.

--

ventura@camelot.bradley.edu  

"I'm a 60 minute man, and I'm ALL night long! WOOOOOO!!!"
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From: shadow@r-node.gts.org (Jay Chu)
Subject: Re: Cito Manages reasonable in Game #1
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX Information System (416-249-5366)
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:05:10 GMT

In article <7086@transfer.stratus.com> dswartz@sw.stratus.com (Dan Swartzendruber) writes:
>Yeah, right.  Letting Morris start the 9th wasn't total idiocy.  Uh-huh.
>Just out of curiousity, what is someone like Duane Ward *for* if not to
>close down the other team?  Especially in a home game.

To rephrase that.  What is carrying more than 10 pitchers for the AL series
*for* if not to use them?

If not for the help of Gene Tenance and Galen Cisco, Cito would have been
the worst non-manager in history.  People should give credits to those
two and not Cito.
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From: duren@lawday.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Mark Duren x2909)
Subject: Schott by Marge
Keywords: Pinella Schott 
Reply-To: duren@lawday.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Mark Duren x2909)
Organization: NCR Corporation, Law Department, Dayton OH
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:28:07 GMT

I am not sure its gotten much national play yet because of the championship 
series, but as a REDS fan, it is inexcusable that Marge Schott let Lou get 
away.  As of now its sounds like all she had to do was sign him three months 
ago, but maybe there is more.  A 90 win season with an infirmary for a team 
is not too bad.  Absent the exceptional Braves season, it probably would have
been enough and was only 1 win away from the 1990 Wire to Wire record.  
Even Lasorda kept his job with 99 losses! Tampa Bay or Miami ought to get on 
it and grab Lou now before Marge wakes up.

With a high probability that Bob Quinn will be gone by Columbus Day, the REDS
are rudderless as the expansion draft approaches.  It doesn't bode well for
1993 unless you're against healthy Western Division rivalries.  

Any thoughts or Post Mortems out there.  For now I am simply ...depressed.





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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: The Amazing Alex Diaz
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 17:35:09 GMT

While organizing the data for RC/27 for this season, I ran cross this line:

DIAZ,A       .111  .111  .111  22   9   5   1   1  0  0  0   1   0   0  3  2  0

By the virtue of having been caught stealing more times than he had hits and
walks, Mr. Diaz became the first player that I have seen who finished the
season with a negative RC or RC/27.  (-.28 RC, -.77 RC/27)

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From: finta@heloise.inria.fr (Lucian Finta)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Stats required
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:53:27 GMT
Organization: INRIA, Sophia-Antipolis (Fr)

Hi,
Could someone on the net provide me with
1991 basaball stats (AL & NL).
I would really appreciate.
Thanx in advance.
Lucian.
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From: G.R.Price@cm.cf.ac.uk (G R Price)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Err...John Birch?
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:50:11 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, WALES, UK.
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway


Having at one time studied American politics I thought I was
fairly well up on things, but who the hell is John Birch?
From: sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: NL OPI Final
Date: 7 Oct 1992 21:06:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard)
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In a previous article, schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt) says:

>sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard) writes:
>
>
>>In a previous article, schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt) says:
>
>>>      0.74*1B + 1.28*2B + 1.64*3B + 2.25*HR + 0.53*BB + 0.34*(SB-2*CS)
>>>OPI = ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>                              AB - H
>>>
>
>>  Specifically, what is OPI designed to measure?  I know what BA, SLG, and
>>OBP mean, but this OPI formula is.  It looks like something/outs, but what
>>is that something?
>
>It stands for Offensive Production Index.  I have tried to scale the numbers
>so that it should be "Expected" runs per 9 innings.  If you look at the
>team OPI's they are about 0.400-0.450.  This would equate to 3.6-4.05 runs
>per 9 innings.
>
>

    But, AB-H looks like outs, not innings.  Also, where do the coefficients
come from?  Are they the value in runs of a given event?  For example, is a 
single "worth" .74 runs?  

SfH
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From: mcclure@wild.ucis.vill.edu (MCCLURE HAROLD)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: WHY BOTHER TO WATCH WORLD SERIES
Date: 3 Oct 92 20:43:00 GMT
Organization: Villanova University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

One more reason why home field advantage does not necessarily predict 
who wins a playoff. Last year, the Pirates were 2-1 in Atlanta but the 
Braves took 3 of 4 in 3 rivers. Hopefully, it does not stand to reason that
the Pirates have the edge since 4 games will be in Atlanta. 

One of the reasons why World Series play has been been won by the team with
home field advantage in every year since 1987 and the first and last of those
went to the Twins:

1987: 4-0 in the DOME and 0-3 in St. Louis
1991: 4-0 in the DOME and 0-3 in Atlanta

Notice a pattern? Not only was baseball meant to be played outside, but for 
a NL team to have to play in such a ridiculously designed arena for even one
game is patently unfair. Now, watch the Braves move into the Georgia Dome and
have me eat my words.
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From: kuras@aiag.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Clemens for Gonzalez?
Reply-To: kuras@aiag.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:12:09 GMT


>>prediction: boston trades clemens.  clemens decides to become an outfielder.
>>clemens bats .356 with 60 dingers.
>>
>Naw, they'd have to sell him for that to happen, trading him just won't
>cut it.

Maybe Roger will go the free agent route, and pull a neon_Deion, by signing
as a free agent pitcher for an American League team, and a free agent position
player for a National League team.  Then, on the days that he is not pitching,
he can play a positiion for his other team.  Nike can foot the bill for his
charters, copters & limo's, and continually cut new videos of this to work
into their commercials.  

The ONLY real problem that I forsee is how Roger Clemens can be the center
of attention with regards to the spelling of his name, much like how Sanders
puts himself -"I"- in the middle of his given (Deon) name.  

Maybe if the Rocket signs with Toronto & Montreal he can do it with a french
flair to it - RogIer ClemIens??  

many ;-)'s

JoeK
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From: kevin@cadzook.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Kevin.Dailey)
Subject: BRAVES WIN!!! (Miracles do happen)
Organization: NCR MCPD Columbia SC.
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 14:30:05 GMT


	I couldn't believe that finish; INCREDIBLE!!!

	I couldn't believe Drabek was FINALLY wearing down after a strong game!

	I couldn't believe Pendleton FINALLY got a hit!

	Then, Lind, FINALLY made a mistake.

	Then, Bream, FINALLY got some speed!!  

	Who would have believed it after 8 straight innings with no runs??

	INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!!!


	[I do have a question for everyone.  What effect do you think the
	change in the plate Umpire may have had on the game if any??]

	I can't believe it but I'm glad we're in the series!  GO BRAVES!

	(Maybe I can get some sleep for a couple of nights before the SERIES!)

	I do feel for the Pirates, I was already beginning to feel what they
	must feel when we had several chances to score and failed.  I just
	felt we were down & out.  The Pirates played a good game and may have
	deserved to win. BUT, I wouldn't trade places with them for the world!


						Go Braves!!
                                                Chop the Jays!!


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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt "Some Guy" Bose)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Morris: more fuel for this debate
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:29:45 GMT
Distribution: na,local
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Oct11.144529.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
>In Game 4 of the ALCS, with the Jays up 2 games to 1 and looking to
>deal a killing blow to the A's, Jack Morris was taken out of the
>game in the 5th inning, leaving two men on with one out.  Toronto
>trailed 5-1.
>
>Any bets on whether Cito will start him in Game 7?

Yeah, but you forgot to mention how Morris knuckled down and kept that sixth
run from coming in, with that clutch double play ball he threw.  This should
prove more than anything that he is a clutch performer.

(for those of you who can't hear the sarcasm in my voice, :):):):):):)  )

Maybe Jack confused clairvoyance with deja vu (or DeMersja vu :) ) and thought
the Jays would score seven runs.

Well, one "clutch" argument down.  Now if only Atlanta would only throw Real
Pitches {tm} to Bonds so that he could hit the ball instead of chasing bad 
pitches or walking.

[NOTE: the above is not a defense of Bonds.  I think that the "streak" is 
getting to the point where it's valid.  But it's not choking, it's mediot
fabrication.  It's plainly obvious that Bonds is chasing bad pitches that he
would have laid off during the season.  He's creating a self-fufilling prophesy
by trying to slay a mythical beast.  I just wish he'd stop trying so hard.]


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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Marlins news
Keywords: speculation
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 19:19:01 GMT

In article <Bw6Gw8.EGv@encore.com> jlundy@bilbo.encore.com (Joe Lundy) writes:
>
>Lachmann's a bonehead.  I don't know how he did as the A's third base coach but
>with the Red Sox, he was no day at the beach.  Ok, I'll be fair.  He did manage
>the Mariners at one time.  Maybe he'll guide the Marlins to a less than 100-loss
>season, and certainly he'll be patient with the younger players.  That's what
>you should be looking with in an expansion manager, and I'm sure he'll do fine.
>
>Besides, who knows.  He may hire his brother Marcel (Angels' pitching coach)
>as his pitching coach.

In fact, Marcel Lachemann resigned a couple weeks ago, citing that "It's time
to move on."  The rumor is that he will join his brother.

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From: niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma)
Subject: Re: Cito Manages reasonable in Game #1
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:08:01 GMT

In <7086@transfer.stratus.com> dswartz@sw.stratus.com (Dan Swartzendruber) writes:

>Yeah, right.  Letting Morris start the 9th wasn't total idiocy.  Uh-huh.
>Just out of curiousity, what is someone like Duane Ward *for* if not to
>close down the other team?  Especially in a home game.

  Ok, then when would YOU have taken out Jack Morris. Prettty easy to say that
it's dumb AFTER Baines was rounding the bases. Especially after Morris had
pitched 6 straight consecutive scoreless innings. Remember Tom Kelly in the
7th game of the World Series last year. Some idiot he was leaving Jack Morris
in. 
  So when would you have taken out Cone last night eh? After the fifth probably.
Then you could have drained the entire bullpen and wasted a brilliant 
performance by Cone. 
  You're obviously the kind of guy who seems to think he's an expert AFTER the
fact. I think it's one thing to question Cito's move, but without the outcome
known and the given information it wasn't exactly a horrific move as you seem
to state.
By the way what difference does it make whether it's a home game or not? 
   
						Gord Niguma
						(fav player: John Olerud)

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From: herrera@athena.mit.edu (Ramon F Herrera)
Subject: The origin of the _World_ Series
Keywords: history world series trivia newspaper 
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:54:11 GMT


Can somebody explain the origin of the name "World Series"?
A friend of mine says that the first such competition
was sponsored by some NYC newspaper called "The World". 
Can anyone confirm/deny this?  Any references?

thanks,

-Ramon Herrera

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From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: game 7 drama
Organization: Clark University
Date: 16 OCT 92 00:57:43 GMT


>From: mcclure@cats.ucis.vill.edu (MCCLURE HAROLD)
>
>Kevin Eckert's descrip of themiracle in the ninth also asked if you
>thought gant hit a grand slam when the ball left the bat. I did and
>that had been my dream scenario. Question: What do you think would be
>a more dramatic ending, what did happen or the GRAND SLAM scenario???

I think the ending that we had was about as exciting and dramatic
as anything could possibly be.  Two out and the game decided on
a play at the plate that was almost, but not quite, too close to
call?  Come on.  It can't get any more dramatic.  Even the Pirates
weren't sure if he was out or safe until the Braves started 
celebrating.  You could see one of the Pirates, I think it was
Jeff King, jump up as if he thought for an instant Bream was out,
and then realized in mid-jump that he was safe and the game was
finished.

I haven't seen too many games decided with a play at the plate.
It was amazing.

I think home runs are overrated as far as "drama" is concerned,
anyway. 

But yeah, I thought Gant had hit one too, and I almost fainted
dead away.  As it turned out, the fly was just as horrible in its
effects.

Heather
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu