HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kleber@husc10.harvard.edu (Gwydden)
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
Subject: arribution line
Summary: Change follow-up attrib. line?
Date: 8 Sep 92 00:45:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc10.kleber.715913142

Apologies for my last post; its answer was in the FAQ list, which I've since
been sent.  A question not answered there, though: when following up an
article, can you change the attribution line to something other than
"In article <message-id>, person@address (Real Name) writes:" ?

--Michael Kleber                 I don't have an overactive imagination...
  kleber@husc.harvard.edu        I have an underactive reality...   --EG
From: fish@daacdev1.stx.com
Subject: can you delete from your $F folder ???
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:39:00 GMT

 can you delete from you $F folder - like in the elm
 mailer you can go into a folder and kill messages

 fer instance i like to save the FAQ from groups often
 and want to kill the old one after i grab the new one
 and the only way i can do it is by manually editing the
 file

 any chance this will be a future feature?

			fish
--
John R. Vanderpool                INTERNET: fish@daacdev1.stx.com
NASA/GSFC                         VOX: 301-513-1683                
Hughes/STX Corporation            FAX: 301-513-1608
"fools in love, they're less than zeros, I should know..." -jjjj
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: tgreen@iastate.edu (Todd Greenfield)
Subject: Re: The future of NN - good news (send me patches)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 02:03:37 GMT

In <rawdon.716088429@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:

>Moreover, I have noticed that sometimes nn does not merge groups which the
>init file specifies should be merged.  That is, I can enter nn one time and
>the groups will be merged as I specified, and then enter it a little later
>without making any changes to my init file at all, and they are not merged.
>This, of course, is rather annoying...

>Fixing all this would be at the very top of my "wish list" for nn.

I've noticed the same thing.  I think what happens is that the
groups get merged if the first group in the list has unread
articles, but otherwise not.  I haven't verified this though.
From: guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes)
Subject: Re: why can't you use your own $PAGER in nn???
Originator: guckes@medusa
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:06:29 GMT

fish@daacdev1.stx.com writes:

>why can't you use your own $PAGER (more or less or whatever)
>in nn? the builtin just doesn't cut it (is it supposed to repeat 
>the first two lines when it scrolls and you have to hit three
>keys to go to the top {G1<ret>} )

Use "^" to return to the top of the article you read.
Use "?" to see the short help screen.
Use ":man" to read the manual.
Use "man nn" at shell level to RTFM.

Add smilies as preferred. :)
From: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin)
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
Subject: Re: arribution line
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:45:06 GMT

In <3885@sapwdf.UUCP> wohler@sapwdf.UUCP (Bill Wohler) writes:

>guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes) writes:

>>In some article (I forget which)
>>kleber@husc10.harvard.edu (Gwydden)
>>writes about changing the attribution line:

>>>when following up an article, can you change the attribution line to
>>>something other than
>>>"In article <message-id>, person@address (Real Name) writes:" ?

>	THE MOST IMPORTANT line you can have in your .nn/init is:
>	set include-art-id false

Actually, I disagree, but that is the primary option in changing the
generated distribution line.


--
Arthur L. Rubin: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (work) Beckman Instruments/Brea
216-5888@mcimail.com 70707.453@compuserve.com arthur@pnet01.cts.com (personal)
My opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employer.
My interaction with our news system is unstable; please mail anything important.
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: The future of NN - good news (send me patches)
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:22:06 GMT

peter@zeus.dialix.oz.au (Peter Wemm) writes:

>After talking with Kim on a few occasions about maintenance and future
>development of NN, this was the result..

>From: storm@olicom.dk (Kim F. Storm)
>To: Peter_Wemm@zeus.dialix.oz.au

>Peter,

>I would appreciate if you took over the maintenance of nn 6.4.
>I have something for the group menu "almost ready" - but it has
>been in that state for the last year, and I have to dig into some
>old archive tapes to dig out the sources.  Let me see what I can do

My thanks to you and Kim both.

As to the disposition of the two unofficial patches (17/18)_ --

Given that many sites have already accepted them, I'd take them as
official and follow them up with patch 19 ASAP to do any needed
cleanup to bring them to "official" format (even if it only changes
a comment or two to mark them as legit).  Then grab the other fixes
people have and go from there.
-- 
Steve: #1 of human beings on the Zwicky list
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: dba3k@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Daniel Burton Avery)
Subject: nnmaster and active file
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:09:02 GMT

I have just finished installing the entire nn system, and with
out any apparent problems.  However, when I typeed "nn"
I I got was a once-only screen and then nothing.  I assume this
is normal.  However, nnmaster , when involked, complains that
it cannot access the active file.  Just what IS the "active"
file?  It's been driving me insane.

Thanks in advance!
From: wohler@sapwdf.UUCP (Bill Wohler)
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
Subject: Re: arribution line
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:37:20 GMT
Reply-To: Bill Wohler <wohler@sap-ag.de>
Organization: SAP AG, Walldorf, Germany

guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes) writes:

>In some article (I forget which)
>kleber@husc10.harvard.edu (Gwydden)
>writes about changing the attribution line:

>>when following up an article, can you change the attribution line to
>>something other than
>>"In article <message-id>, person@address (Real Name) writes:" ?

>Take it away, Bill !

  normally, because of time restraints, i can usually only reply to
  those questions that are already in the faq.

  as brian says in his .signature:

	THE MOST IMPORTANT line you can have in your .nn/init is:
	set include-art-id false

  that's the only variable i've messed with as well.  others, listed
  in the POSTING AND RESPONDING TO ARTICLES section of the manual,
  include:

  append-signature-mail, append-signature-post,
  default-distribution, follow-distribution, post-distribution,
  edit-response-check, editor, include-art-id, include-full-header,
  included-mark, mail-header, mail-record, mail-script, mailer,
  mailer-pipe-input, news-header, news-record, news-script,
  orig-to-include-mask, pager, query-signature, record, response-check-pause,
  response-default-answer, save-counter, save-counter-offset, save-report,
  spell-checker.

  check out the ones that sound appropriate in the man page.

  you could also modify the aux script to muck with the attribution
  line (see faq "Can the signature come from a different file or
  program?" for more details).

Bill Wohler <wohler@sap-ag.de> <sapwdf!wohler>
Heidelberg Red Barons Ultimate Frisbee Team
Xref: sparky news.software.nn:1159 comp.sources.bugs:231
From: rhoward@matd.gatech.edu (Robert L. Howard)
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
Subject: Re: About the patches
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:46:35 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute

peter@zeus.DIALix.oz.au (Peter Wemm) writes:

>Kim has given me the go-ahead to take over the maintanance of NN, and I'm 
>starting off trying to ease the transition back into regular patches and
>fixes.
:
>There are a few things under consideration so far:

At one point in time I heard that the filename expansion stuff
(for saving, selecting groups, etc.) was going to be library'ized.
I know that folks in the elm development group were interested in
that.  What is the status on that?

Robert
--
| Robert L. Howard              |   Georgia Tech Research Institute     |
| robert.howard@matd.gatech.edu |   MATD Laboratory                     |
| (404) 528-7165                |   Atlanta, Georgia  30332             |
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
| "See, when the GOVERNMENT spends money, it creates jobs; whereas when |
| the money is left in the hands of TAXPAYERS, God only knows what they |
| do with it.  Bake it into pies, probably.  Anything to avoid creating |
| jobs." -- Dave Barry                                                  |
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: epstein@sparc9.cs.uiuc.edu (Milt Epstein)
Subject: Re: <None>
Reply-To: epstein@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 02:10:15 GMT

In <5974.2ab362fa@hayes.com> peter@zeus.DIALix.oz.au (Peter Wemm) writes:

Nothing!  About 50 times!

Gee, do we really want someone who posts 50 blank articles to be
taking over the maintenance of nn?


( :-). :-) :-) :-) :-)
Hey, it's a joke!!!  See the smileys???  I'm just kidding!!!
No offense intended, I just couldn't resist!!!
I'm sure it was just a mailer barf, or a newsfeed running amok!!!)


Seriously, I think nn is great, and I'm delighted to hear that someone
is taking over the maintenance of it (and sounds like there are lots
of good ideas).

-- 
Milt Epstein
Department of Computer Science
University of Illinois
epstein@cs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: dba3k@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Daniel Burton Avery)
Subject: nnmaster and active file
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:10:04 GMT

I have just finished installing the entire nn system, and with
out any apparent problems.  However, when I typeed "nn"
I I got was a once-only screen and then nothing.  I assume this
is normal.  However, nnmaster , when involked, complains that
it cannot access the active file.  Just what IS the "active"
file?  It's been driving me insane.

Thanks in advance!
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: kurt@dna.lth.se (Kurt Swanson)
Subject: New-group-action
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:17:34 GMT

I would like to patch newsrc.c to allow rn style "ynYN" querying,
which is simple, except that I don't wanted unsubscribed newsgroups to
be left out of .newsrc.  This way one can do all sorts of
unix-manipulations on .newsrc, greps, sorts, etc., in order to find a
news group.  I tried changing ":" to "!" in the section that relates
to newgroup queries, but this does not work....

I am surprised that no option allows new groups to be unsubscribed
that keeps it's name in .newsrc....

Is there a higher reason for this?  (maybe a programming limitation?)

Does anyone have an idea how this might be done?
-- 
Kurt Swanson, Dept. of Computer Science,
Lunds universitet.  Kurt.Swanson@dna.lth.se
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: kris@tpki.toppoint.de (Kristian Koehntopp)
Subject: Re: The future of NN - good news (send me patches)
X-Copyright: (C) Copyright 1992 Kristian Koehntopp -- All rights reserved.
		 Reproduktion, auch auszugsweise, ausserhalb elektronischer,
		 nichtkommerzieller Datennetze nur mit ausdruecklichem,
		 schriftlichem Einverstaendnis des Autors.
Organization: Toppoint Mailbox e.V.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:03:40 GMT
X-Excuse: X-Copyright wegen Emma, Suedwestpresse und /C'T/DISKUSSIONEN.

In <1992Sep10.193554.22281@uunet!fdls!agdept> walker@uunet!fdls!agdept (Walker) writes:
>everyone.  Those who have installed UNOFFICIAL PATCHES can go back to 16
>and move forward from there.

Please _DON NOT_ create a major chaos as in "we have
nn6.4.unofficial 18" or "nn6.4.official 18". Do not reuse patch
numbers that have been in use anywhere.

I suggest one of the following:

- Repost unofficial 17 and 18 as official patches _with no
  modifiactions at all_. Begin to work at PL 19.

or

- Start at nn6.5, where the 5 indicates a major change in
  support, not in software.

I suggest you use solution 1.

Kristian, running "official" 6.4.16.

-- 
Kristian Koehntopp, Harmsstrasse 98, FRG W-2300 Kiel, +49 431 676689
"Look up!"
	-- Asylum
From: Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM (Richard M. Mathews)
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
Subject: Re: The future of NN - good news (send me patches)
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:18:51 GMT
Organization: Sunsoft Inc., Los Angeles, CA.
NNTP-Posting-Host: astro
Originator: richard@astro.West.Sun.COM

walker@uunet!fdls!agdept (Walker) writes:
>We chose to only install the OFFICIAL PATCHES through patch 16.  My guess is
>that many other sites have also done the same thing.  So, it is suggested
>that the next OFFICIAL PATCH be 17, and it assume that the user has OFFICIAL
>PATCHES 1 thru 16 installed.

I agree.  But the problem is that unofficial patch 18 updated the patchlevel
file.  I would not want to see a situation where having source labeled as
patchlevel 18 might mean you have either of two different versions of the
source.  The next patch should be patch 17, but it should be identical
to the unofficial patch 17; and the same goes for 18.  After reposting
those patches, new patches should start at 19 (and it is important to
repost the old ones because there are so many sites which ignored them).

Something ugly about this is that unofficial patch 17 did *not* update
the patchlevel as I recall.  Despite the ugliness, I would suggest the
the official patch 17 still be identical to the unofficial one.  That
isn't too bad because we know that patches 18 and on will correct the
ugliness.

     Richard M. Mathews			F oster 
					 E stonian-Latvian-Lithuanian
Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM		  I ndependence and
					   F reedom!
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: cos@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Ofer Inbar)
Subject: Re: my nnmaster won't collect articles anymore, help!!!
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:55:24 GMT

vander@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (John R. Vanderpool (NASA/GSFC/STX)) writes:
>it doesnt' want to collect articles anymore - i'm using 6.4.16 with
>connection to a NNTP site - see Logs below - it apparantly had a little
>trouble late last week connecting to the NNTP host but that was just
>a net problem that has since been resolved but that's about when all the
>trouble began
>
>nnadmin stat sez:
>Master:
>initialized:   Apr 27 09:44
>last_scan:     Sep  3 16:18		# today is Sep 9 !! -fish
>last_size:     63544
>no of groups:  1574
>	    
>
>Articles:   12561
>Disk usage: 426 k
>		  
>Blocked groups: 1368			# this jumped to 1368 after some
>					# of my nnadmin attempts -fish
>Ignored groups:  33

  I was just about to post a problem we're having, when I noticed that
someone else appears to be having exactly the same problem.  About
three days ago, there were a few "giving up on NNTP server" entries in
the log, and then nnadmin went on a mad spurt of removing newsgroups,
several hundred of them, all of which were marked IGNORED.  It then
refused to continue collecting any articles.
  Over the past few days, I've repeatedly killed and restarted the
nnmaster.  I've even rebuilt the GROUPs file and initialized the
database twice.  Each time, nnadmin collects happily for a while, and
then it just stops for no apparent reason.  I tried running with -t or
-D, but got no indication of why it suddenly stopped collecting.
(Incidentally, running nnmaster -t and then tail -f Log lets you see
the same display as nnmaster -D).

  A bit of history...
  We've been running nn6.4 ever since pl14 was out, and updated to
pl16 when that appeared.  It's been running on an HP9000/850 HPUX 8.0,
reading news of a remote NNTP server.  Never any problems.
  Just over a week before the problems started, we got an HP9000/750
(also HP-UX 8.0), and recompiled the nnmaster to run on that machine.
The 750's disks are NFS mounted to the 850, and both machines have an
nn client sharing the database on the 750.  These two machines are
upward binary compatible, btw.  Things ran flawlessly for a week, then
it blew up.

Any ideas?

  --  Cos (Ofer Inbar)  --  cos@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu
  --  WBRS (BRiS)  --  WBRS@binah.cc.brandeis.edu  WBRS@brandeis.bitnet
 Brandeis University Computer Science Department         (617) 736-2700
 415 South Street, Waltham MA, 02254-9110        System Admin: 736-2717
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: kurt@dna.lth.se (Kurt Swanson)
Subject: Re: can you delete from your $F folder ???
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 06:32:28 GMT

fish@daacdev1.stx.com writes:
> can you delete from you $F folder - like in the elm
> mailer you can go into a folder and kill messages

Yes, "C"ancel the message.  RTFFAQ.

> any chance this will be a future feature?

Not a chance.
-- 
Kurt Swanson, Dept. of Computer Science,
Lunds universitet.  Kurt.Swanson@dna.lth.se
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: mho@stacken.kth.se (Magnus Holmberg)
Subject: Re: New-group-action
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, NADA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:19:02 GMT

In <1992Sep14.131734.3492@lth.se> kurt@dna.lth.se (Kurt Swanson) writes:

	.
	.
	.

>I am surprised that no option allows new groups to be unsubscribed
>that keeps it's name in .newsrc....

>Is there a higher reason for this?  (maybe a programming limitation?)

>Does anyone have an idea how this might be done?


	You might want to set the variable keep-unsubscribed...

		- MH
From: fish@daacdev1.stx.com
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
Subject: personal to bob@snuffy.dracut.ma.us (Bob Smith)
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:55:19 GMT
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center

thanx for the letter about my nnmaster - i have no idea how it
got out of wack   -fish  

my email to you bounced so i had to post (you were the only
reply)
--
John R. Vanderpool                INTERNET: fish@daacdev1.stx.com
NASA/GSFC                         VOX: 301-513-1683                
Hughes/STX Corporation            FAX: 301-513-1608
"fools in love, they're less than zeros, I should know..." -jjjj
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: zhao@adx.adelphi.edu (Bin Zhao)
Subject: empty news group not really empty
Organization: Adelphi University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:13:49 GMT

Hi:

	We are using nn, rn, and trn here. But with nn, even when some
news groups are not empty, nn will still reports empty. Any clue how
to fix this problem. I check the nn doc PROBLEMS and it says it would
happen but doesn't say how to fix it. Any help will be much appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

--Bin

Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: crooks@crooks.b11.ingr.com (Steve Crooks)
Subject: Re: The future of NN - good news (send me patches)
Reply-To: crooks@crooks.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:37:18 GMT

peter@zeus.dialix.oz.au (Peter Wemm) writes:
>Last year,  Larry Bouzane <larry@garfield.cs.mun.ca> posted an unofficial
>patch 17 and patch 18.  They solve many of the more serious problems that
>were left in patch level 16.  As a lot of sites (That I know, at least)
>are using these, I am a little uncertain about what to do with them.
>I am tempted to repost them as "official".  I am also tempted to merge them
>into a more complete, unified, "fixit" patch - this would require removal
>back to pl16 source. I feel this might an un-necessary complication, and am
>leaning towards just making them official.  How do people feel about this?

I don't care whether they are repackaged as "official" or just stamped
as "official as is", but I would like to see them reposted.  I never
applied these patches specifically because they weren't official, and I
would guess that other people had the same reaction.
--
--Steve Crooks                                      crooks@crooks.b11.ingr.com
      "Consequences, shmonsequences, as long as I'm rich."  -- Daffy Duck
From: john.Latala@Waterloo.NCR.COM (john Latala)
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
Subject: news group selecting in nn
Date: 8 Sep 92 04:43:37 GMT

How about a startup screen that displayed newsgroups the same way as
articles in a newsgroup are displayed?

You could select a number of groups, read them, then go back for more
groups as you wanted. When you did a quit all the unread groups would me
marked as read and nn would quit.
--
john.Latala@Waterloo.NCR.COM

/EARTH is 90% full, please delete anything that's not needed ...
From: ric@updike.sri.com (Richard Steinberger)
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
Subject: HELP: nnmaster won't start after patch 17,18
Summary: nnmaster won't start!
Keywords: nnmaster
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:15:16 GMT


	I have just installed nn patches 17 and 18.  Now when I try
to restart nnmaster, I get this message:

/usr/local/lib/nn/nnmaster invoked with wrong user privileges

Yes, I am root when I invoke the command.  Can anyone help with this?
All I have done is "make all", "./inst u", then try to invoke nnmaster.

regards,

	ric steinberger
	ric@updike.sri.com

PLEASE REPLY DIRECTLY TO ME, AS NN WILL NOT BE UPDATING UNTIL NNMASTER 
STARTS!!!!


Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes)
Subject: Re: arribution line
Originator: guckes@medusa
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:52:18 GMT

In some article (I forget which)
kleber@husc10.harvard.edu (Gwydden)
writes about changing the attribution line:

>when following up an article, can you change the attribution line to
>something other than
>"In article <message-id>, person@address (Real Name) writes:" ?

Yes. (cf above)
The attribution line is part of the articles "body".
Thus it should not affect the transfer of the article.
As for changing this attribution line permanently
you may call for Bill Wohler to answer that.

Take it away, Bill !

Sven@some.other.host | Join the league for short sigs, NOW!
From: jstewart@alfred.carleton.ca (John Stewart)
Subject: Re: New-group-action
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:55:17 GMT

In <1992Sep14.131734.3492@lth.se> kurt@dna.lth.se (Kurt Swanson) writes:

>I would like to patch newsrc.c to allow rn style "ynYN" querying,
>which is simple, except that I don't wanted unsubscribed newsgroups to
>be left out of .newsrc.  This way one can do all sorts of
>unix-manipulations on .newsrc, greps, sorts, etc., in order to find a
>news group.  I tried changing ":" to "!" in the section that relates
>to newgroup queries, but this does not work....

>I am surprised that no option allows new groups to be unsubscribed
>that keeps it's name in .newsrc....

This option isn't needed because the nngrep command (included with the nn
software distribution) can list all the newsgroups available on your system.
Try typing

      nngrep -a
-- 
John Stewart -- Computing and Communications Services, Carleton University
Internet: jstewart@ccs.carleton.ca or Mr.Canoehead@algonquin.carleton.ca  
"Why can't we just forget about our constitutional problems and go canoeing?"
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: chaw@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (S. S. Chawathe)
Subject: `Save in the same file as the last time'?
Keywords: nn help save 
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: news
Date:  8 Sep 92 00:51:53 GMT

I know how to set the save-file for a group using the init file.
I was wondering if there is any way to set this to `same as last
time'.  What I want is that if nn prompts me for save file xyz
and I override it to use abc, then the next time I save an arti-
cle in that group, nn prompts me with abc instead of xyz.

Thanks,

-Chaw

_________________________________________________________________
Chaw@cs.Stanford.edu                                 tat tvam asi


Newsgroups: news.software.nn,news.software.readers,comp.sys.mac.wanted