From: vinny@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Vinit Karandikar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: India protests Iranian call for Islamic unity on Kashmir
Date: 27 Sep 92 23:29:55 GMT
Organization: Temple University
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Ruchir Godura (godura@bitbucket.cis.udel.edu) wrote:
: Vinit writes, in connection with Adil's English:
: >
: >Do you, call the stuff written purportedly in English reproduced at the
: >top of this posting argument ?

care to answer this ?

: >Be honest with yourself:
: >Do you understand what this line means:
: OF COURSE I do. And you've got to be pretty stupid not to understand it
: either.
: >
: > >>The clarion call of Kashmir for the freedom is why supported by the Islamic 
: > >>Countries as an Islamic Problem?
: >
: In the Queen's English : Why do the Islamic countries support the
: clarion call for Kashmir's freedom as an Islamic problem ?
:

hahahaha,
you mean to say that he is asking us that question (rhetorically or
otherwise)!!!
My dear pompous 'not so stupid' friend,
if that is your interpretation of his argument,
i have nothing left to say.
Read his message over again 
a) with this interpretation of yours 
b) in context with previous messages sent back and forth and 
if you convince even YOURSELF that, that was what he wanted to get across, 
you should be able to sell ice to an eskimo.
moreover, you mention that one should try to understand his argument and
i asked (reproduced by you at the top of your message) whether you call
that argument.
you seem to have forgotten that.

when someone puts up random secessionist slogans on the net one's choices 
are to
a)ignore him
b)offer him psychiatric services
c)join him
d)jeer at him
e)confront him with counter secessionist slogans
f)argue/reason with him (what is there to reason with a guy who says
  'make kashmir free' or something along that vein. I mean at that
  point, the guy isn't even saying why. just shouting slogans)

you choose option a 
i choose option d
why not agree to disagree ?
why be disagreable?

: >It's a situation where one is unable to comprehend even the basic tenet
: >on which his argument rests. The only thing left then is to hack at what
: >he used to form the hideous thing.
: >In anycase since this is an English based newsgroup, one should atleast
: 
: Really ? Where is it mentioned that posters on this group should have
: immaculate command of English ? Read soc.culture.turkish, and you'll
: find people writing in Turkish .. read s.c.telegu .. 

whoever spoke of "immaculate" command of English.
these are merely imaginary ideas in your cranium.

: >make some basic efforts to get others to understand what one is trying
: >to get across in that language.

would also appreciate if you had read this line before typing the
junk above this (read my lips: basic efforts NOT queens english and
NOT immaculate english)

: He does seem to be making an effort .. and if you can't understand, ask
: him to repeat, or keep quiet .. DONT ABUSE. Would you like it if

when you're posting a response to the net, commonsense dictates (you exemplify
that it is not common, but we won't go into that) that you make sufficient
effort so the other person understands what you're talking about.
I dont think thats asking for too much.(nobody is asking for immaculate 
or queen's english again.)
You dont require rules or "posters" to say that.

:-)
in retrospect, i do agree however that i shouldn't have been SO 
harsh on him.

: >Drilling someone's rear, merely for poor language skills may be
: >objectionable but this goes way beyond the definition of
: >poor language skills and is INCOMPREHENSIBLE.
: 
: Incomprehensible to those who do not make an effort to understand.

Even to those who claim to have (mis???)understood.

: >: Ruchir.
: >
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: >                                           ---===( Vinit Karandikar )===---
: 
: Ruchir.
: 
: *******************************************************************8
: PS . Thanks for the flame ... Just luvved it !!!!

odd coincidence !!!

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