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From: mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP)
Subject: Re: Inflammatory conjectures in the latest Harpers'.
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Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:28:00 GMT

In article <1grssjINNlk@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>, jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali) writes...
>...deleted 
>And on a lighter note, desi sharab is not lower than walaiati sharab
>because it does not taste as good (we all know that Murree Brewrey
>tastes the best).  Nor can you question the level and quality of
>its buzz.  No.  It is inferior to European beer because it is not
>as _respectable_ :-)  Sorry, Mirza, its just an easy target :-)
> 
>j n a

	Array Yar JIO.

	[A friend of mine from Karachi told me that HAZRAT JOUSH
	 MALIH ABADI coined this urdu word "JIO" to replace
	 cheers, prost, slut etc. 
	]

Mirza Ilyas
From: vinny@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Vinit Karandikar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: DON'T READ THIS
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:28:22 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

iermgujr@engvms.unl.edu wrote:
: THIS IS A TEST
: PLEASE IGNORE IT

believe me i did.
--

                                           
					   ---===( Vinit Karandikar )===---
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From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Brett McInnes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Wakeup Muslims
Date: 11 Dec 92 01:08:55 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
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jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali) writes:
              [A load of paranoid bullshit.]
From: cczaziz@mips.nott.ac.uk (Zahid Aziz)
Subject: Sati - origin of the practice.
Originator: cczaziz@mips.nott.ac.uk
Organization: Cripps Computing Centre, University of Nottingham
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 15:53:20 GMT

A scholarly work entitled `The Rig-Veda and Vedic Religion', by A.C.
Clayton, published in Madras, (pp. 12-13), says regarding Sati that
there is a verse of the Rig-veda (x. 18.7):

     "may they [the women] first approach the resting-place of the
     departed",

whose original Sanskrit words are:

     a rohantu yonim agre

The author then goes on to say:

     -----------------------------------------------------------------
     "By the most awful crime in the history of literature this phrase
     was altered in later times. It then read:

             a rohantu yonim agneh

     meaning `let them enter the place of fire', and by this terrible
     falsification the verse was made to justify the burning of
     widows. The exact opposite was the fact. Among the early Aryans
     the widow might marry again. ...

     "There may have been instances of widow burning in early Aryan
     times but it was during a much later period (A.D. 650-1200) that
     the custom of burning a widow with her husband's body came
     generally into force. Such a widow is highly praised in the
     Garuda Purana; she was called a sati (pronounced suttee)
     emphatically a `good' woman. Hence the modern name of the custom.
     At the same time it became customary for a widow who did not
     ascend her husband's pyre to live a life of asceticism and
     privation, and precepts sanctioning the practice were inserted in
     the later sacred books. Farquhar (in his `Primer of Hinduism')
     quotes one: If a woman's husband dies, let her lead a life of
     chastity, or else mount his pyre. (Vishnusmriti, xxv. 14)"

     ---------------------------------------------------------------------

So the practice of Sati arose from Hindu scriptures, though it was a
result of misinterpreting the original words and also of later
additions into the Hindu holy records. Therefore, it has nothing
whatsoever to do with any actions of the Muslim invaders of India.

In the final quotation above, "a life of chastity" is mentioned as an
alternative to mounting the husband's funeral pyre. How would this
have protected Hindu women against the alleged violation of their
honour by Muslim invaders?

Incidentally, the changes in Hindu scriptures referred to in this
quotation, also prove the truth of the Islamic teaching that the
scriptures of other religions were altered by their followers, in many
respects, subsequent to the original Divine revelation. (We have no
hesitation in accepting, on the basis of Islamic principles, that the
Hindu scriptures were of Divine origin, and the teachers of religion
mentioned therein were true prophets of God.)

Zahid Aziz.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: aftab@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov (Aftab Ahmad;MU-SPIN/CESDIS)
Subject: Mandir Dha dai, Masjid Dha dai
Keywords: riots, Babri Masjid
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:05:23 GMT

	Some saintly person said it:


	Mandir dha dai, Masjid dha dai, dha dai jo kujh dhaida
	daikh kissay da dil na torei'N Rub dila'N wich rhainda

	(Go ahead, and demolish whatever you like, be it a temple or a mosque
	but beware of breaking a heart 'cause God lives in hearts)

I keep wondering why so many poeple like this verse. Why didn't they
criticize it or bacame against the saint who said it.

	After all, he would have prefered to demolish all these places to
save one innocent life.


Aftab [ Milay gee na gulchee'N ko gul ki khabar
	har ik punkhari yoo'N bikhHar jaa-ai gee ]	Ahmad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: imran@panix.com (Imran Anwar)
Subject: PakistaNews Text Files Until New Year - #1211
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:59:21 GMT
Organization: IMRAN: Information & Media Resources, Affiliations, Networks


OPPOSITION PROPOSALS WELCOME

Prime Minister Mohammad Nawaz Sharif said a two-member
committee has been appointed to work for consensus with the
opposition for formulation its policy on the issue of Babri
Masjid.

OPPOSITION FAILS TO ADOPT RESOLUTION

The All Parties Conference was called off without adopting any
resolution on Babri Masjid after four hours of deliberations here
at the residence of PDP leader Mir Akram.

PRAYERS DAY TODAY FOR SAFETY OF INDIAN MUSLIMS

the Muslims the world over and particularly `those living in
Pakistan will observe `Prayers Day' to offer special prayers for
the Indian Muslims on the appeal of Prime Minister Mohammad
Nawaz Sharif on Friday.

STEPS TO PROMOTE WOMEN'S EMPLOYMENT

The government is taking special measures to bring the women
in the mainstream of employment by improving their skills
through education and training in numerous fields.

MOTORBIKE INDUSTRY BURDENED WITH HEAVY TAXES

While Prime Minister's self-finance transport scheme has made
a big difference in the economic life of the people, the
motorcycle manufacturers, both in the public and private
sectors, keen to lend support to Prime Minister's efforts in
providing cheap transport to the poor and needy, are faced with
a big dilemma.

NO CHILD ABUSE IN CARPET INDUSTRY

The ILO report on the employment of children in the carpet
industry is incorrect and misleading and is based on wrong and
fictitious facts and figures supplied by quarters which want to
damage Pakistan carpet exports in the International Market.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ghayalm@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod)
Subject: Re: PAKISTAN A SUPERWAR AND GREAT PEOPLE ON THIS NET
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Distribution: soc.culture.pakistan
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:07:56 GMT

> 
>A GOOD SUGGESTION !!
>
>We certainly have the experience of rulling over India for more than 1000 years and
>hence have better qualifications to rule.  However, we have to change the name of 
>India to ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF INDIA since minorities can live more peacefully in an
>Islamic country than a so called secular country (proof: compare the number of riots
>based on religion in Pakistan (Islamic) and India (secular ???) since 1947).
>
>
>
> It certainly would solve alot of festering problems.
>|> -- 
>|> Ranjan Rai                             <rairan@ecf.toronto.edu> 
>|> Engineering Science 9T3                <rr@odin.control.toronto.edu> 
>|> University of Toronto                    
>
>Tariq Shamim
>Mechanical Engineering
>Michigan State University


Isn't that the old Hindu caste system?  My ancestors were rulers/farmers/
warriors, so I should automatically be a ruler/farmer/warrior.  Or have
you lived for a 1000 years?  Pakistan's population is less than UP
and size is smaller than HP. Pakistan is the size of one state in
the Indian union, and also Pakistan has less than 2% Hindus and Christians,
so one would expect there to be less riots.  But is that true?
What about the Sunnis/Shiites, Pathans/Mohajjirs, Mohajjirs/Sindhis and
Muslims/Ahmadi Muslims riots?  Finally there are many Pakistanis who don't
agree that Pakistan is a truly Islamic republic.


Manoj

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: nadeem@ethz.ch (Nadeem Malik)
Subject: Re: Again they singled out Pakistan.
Reply-To: nadeem@p.igp.ethz.ch
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Distribution: soc.culture.pakistan
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:34:42 GMT

Q. H. Shah (shah@orange.tutee.tut.ac.jp) wrote:

: Dear Pakistani Readers.
: Assalamu Alaikum
: According to NBC report from washington, Pakistan has 7 Nuclear bombs
: each of the capacity of one dropped on Hiroshima by USA.
: Pressler etc. things have claimed that Pakistani officials lied to
: them about this fact when they visited Islamabad.

:   I feel that US may be planning to force UN to use economic sanctions
: on Pakistan just like it did with Iraq and Libya. There was no mention 
: of India, Israel etc.

[deletion]

What's new?

some months ago there was a fierce debate on SCP about Iraq and the Gulf War,
and its implications. I said then that it was inevitable that the same tactics
would be used by USA+helpers to destroy any Muslim country that seeks independence
and shows signs of advancement. I said that I feared the worst for Pakistan. 
I also said that in persuit of this cause, Israel would seek closer cooperation
with India, and a propaganda war would be a prelude to any invasion/destruction
etc of Pakistan, as with Iraq. 

The ink had not dried, as they say, before the first of these predictions were
fulfilled -- India announced close ties with Israel. And now a propaganda war
is beginning.

My scenario is that USA will seek to dstroy Pakistan and India (which is fears
as a regional power and future economic giant) by starting a skirmish on the 
Kashmir boarder by 'unknown' mecenaries, or some suitable lies like that. (In
reality it will be Isreali commandos.) 

The future of the subcontinent will depend upon how sensibly the two countries
react to this situation. The omens are not good.

Nadeem Malik
: --

:          Shah

:          TOTEMO ISOGAHIKU NARIMASHITA
:          SHIGOTO GA OOI MON DESU KARA
From: rajesh@huey (Rajesh Raman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: TODAY! TODAY! DEMONSTRATION - PAKISTAN EMBASSY - Re: PERSECUTION OF
Date: 20 Dec 1992 06:07:23 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: huey.wpi.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Pervaiz Hasan (P.Hasan@cs.ucl.ac.uk) wrote:
: Bismillahirrahmanirrahim
: 
: Assalam-o-alaikum Brs & Srs,
: 
: Are the muslims not concerned that their Sister are getting raped that their
: brothers are being tortured, and their children are being abused and killed.

  Are not all human beings your brothers and sisters. Islam doesn't
  preach inequality, if I am correct. Follow Islam properly before
  asking others to do so. You should be equally appalled when any
  sister of yours gets raped. Aren't your sisters getting raped in
  Muslim countries ? In Pakistan, wasn't someone there a big rape
  case just sometime back. 
 
: The issue is not just the mosque, the issue is the muslim blood
being so cheap.
  
  It's not that Muslim blood is cheap. The blood of poor people all
  the world is considered cheap. Their lives expendable. Work for
  world peace and not only peace in Muslim countries and peace for
  Muslims.

: Remember that the Prophet (saw) said that the blood of a muslim is worth more
: than the Ka'aba and all its surroundings.

  The blood of a muslim is worth more than any religious book.

: Think about the armies we have and the millitary might we possess, and yet
: they do nothing but clean their weapons and target practice. Their orders from
: the corrupt leaders is not wage Jihad but to suppress their own people from
: calling for Jihad and Islam.

  Hey! Why do you want to call for Jihad, man? Why do you want to kill
  people ?

: 
:   It is the duty ie fard of the Muslim governments to do everything
: in their power to come to the aid of Muslims in India ;especially
: those governments who are in close proximity to the area,like
: Bangladesh and Pakistan.We would like to encourage the Pakistani
: government to take the following measures:

  Will you answer this question ? The Pakistani govt has promised to 
  compensate the Hindus who lost stuff in the killings in Pakistan.
  The Indian govt has promised to rebuild the mosque. Why can't you
  just let things be ?

: 
:   2)Pakistan should lobby the Gulf States to impose a total trade
: ban(especially an oil embargo) on India and expell all Hindus in their
: territories.

  Well then shouldn't the same thing be done to Muslims in India ?
  Of course not. You don't expel your own people because of what
  some other people did somewhere else.

:   3)Additionally they should lobby all Muslim countries to break off
: diplomatic ties with the murderous Indian regime.

  Hey! What's murderous about the present Indian govt that isn't about
  the Nawaz Sharif govt or the Saddam Hussain govt ?

--

Rajesh Raman

--

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: hasan@cs.washington.edu (Shams Hasan)
Subject: Re: DEMONSTRATION - PAKISTAN EMBASSY - Re: PERSECUTION OF MUSLIMS IN INDIA
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 08:50:14 GMT

In article <dbose.724639534@khamsin.aem.umn.edu> dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose) writes:
>P.Hasan@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Pervaiz Hasan) writes:
>
>>Bismillahirrahmanirrahim
>
>>Assalam-o-alaikum Brs & Srs,
>
>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>>	  MUSLIMS OF INDIA, WILL THEIR CRY GO UNHEARD !!!!
>
>
>
> THE CRY OF MUSLIMS IN INDIA WILL CERTAINLY NOT GO UNHEARD BUT
>
> YOUR CRY TO DEFAME HINDUSTAN WILL SURELY GO UNHEARD .
>
>
>
>
>>  It is the duty ie fard of the Muslim governments to do everything
>>in their power to come to the aid of Muslims in India ;especially
>>those governments who are in close proximity to the area,like
>>Bangladesh and Pakistan.We would like to encourage the Pakistani
>>government to take the following measures:
>^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>YOU CALL THAT "GOVERNMENT" < I CALL THEM A BUNCH OF BASTARDS WAITING
>
>FOR THE ARMY GENERAL TO KICK THEM OUT >
>
>	HA HA HA !!!!

HO HO HO, MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU  TOO !

>
>
>>  1) Break off diplomatic relations with India;maintaining any
>>relationship with a government presiding over  a vicious onslaught
>>against Muslims is totally unacceptable.
>
>
>WE ARE NOT VERY KEEN TO HAVE A RELATION WITH YOU .
>
>WE DON"T WANT OUR DIPLOMATS TO GET HARASSED IN PAK.
>
>	SHAME SHAME PAKISTAN !!!!!
>
>>  2)Pakistan should lobby the Gulf States to impose a total trade
>>ban(especially an oil embargo) on India and expell all Hindus in their
>>territories.                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>
>WHAT IF INDIANS EXPELLED ALL THE MUSLIMS FROM THEIR TERRITORY ?

THEN THE NAZI HINDUS SKINNY ASSESS WILL REALLY BE IN THE SLING. KAPISH ?

>
>
>>  3)Additionally they should lobby all Muslim countries to break off
>>diplomatic ties with the murderous Indian regime.
>
>
>	HE   HE   HE   !!!
>	F**k YOU MAN !!!

WELL SAID !  COULDN'T EXPECT A BETTER SUPERLATIVE FROM U ...

>
>
>>  4)If Pakistan's Generals really want to undertake some
>>comprehensively Islamic action,then they should use all means
>>necessary to the lives,property and honour of Muslims in India.
>
>
>THEY CAN"T DO ANYTHING BECAUSE THEY ARE SCARED !!!
>THEY HAVE HAD BAD EXPERIENCES WITH INDIA !!!
>
>
>
>>DEMONSTRATE!!!!DEMONSTRATE!!!!DEMONSTRATE!!!!DEMONSTRATE!!!!DEMONSTRAT
>
>
>
>COME COME !! ALL MUSLIMS ! WASTE YOUR VALUABLE TIME FOR NOTHING !!!!
>
>
>
>		HINDUSTAN ZINDABAD !!!!!
>
>


Best Regards,
Shams Hasan.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: izaz@cbnews.cb.att.com (sheikh.izazul.haque)
Subject: Re: Where is our brotherhood?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:32:09 GMT

In article <lihioeINNsq7@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu>, hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:
> 
> For some reason, modernists believe that the only way of defining
> "modernism" the way it is defined in the West!
> 
> Now, if it has "already" been defined and is being practiced elsewhere,
> then how  in the world can it be called "modern"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> Sir, "modern" is that when you break away from all established 
> practices (e.g. those in West or in our countries), and define
> some examples that serve as a beacon for the rest of the humanity.
> 
> If we are following the precepts of others, then it can be called
> anything except "modern".

Thats just plain ridiculous!

Izaz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: FUCK ALL PAKIS
From: arafiq@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Asif Rafiq)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:10:05 GMT
 <1992Dec11.020310.14376@beaver.cs.washington.edu> <Bz9MBy.KH0@sunfish.usd.edu>
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

shariq@charlie.usd.edu writes:

>In article <1992Dec11.020310.14376@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, hasan@cs.washington.edu (Shams Hasan) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec10.041104.19058@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> ousi_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Omer Usmani) writes:
>>>In <ByxvLI.H51@dcs.ed.ac.uk> maya@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Mohammed Ayaz) writes:
>>>
>>>>In response to my article number 24852.
>>>
>>>>This bastard writes
>>>
>>>>>>  Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1992 22:24:06 -0500
>>>>>>  From: Jai Shri Ram <mukulg@edu.umd.wam>
>>>>>>  To: maya@uk.ac.ed.dcs
>>>>>>  Subject: fuck all Pakis
>>>>>>           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>>  Fuck you, mother fucker, and fuck your fucking country.
>>>>>>  bhan ke lund.
>>>>>>  maa ke lund,]
>>>>>>  gaand chuda betichod.
>>>>>>  haraami desh ki haraami aulad, ter lund pe keede.
>>>>>>  teri bhan ki choot.
>>>
>>>
>>>>So are you going to do something ?
>>>
>>>>MAIL MAIL MAIL THE HARAMI.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   Maadarchod Ki OOlad, Rundi DA Pootar, Khasi ki olad.
>>>
>>> Teri maa mai na choodoo, Bhainchod mai nay teri maa or bhaina chod chod kay
>>>maar daloo!!
>>>
>>> Gaando ki olad tum kis say phaada lay rahay ho ????
>>>
>>> Jao Ja kay Ram Ram karo!!!
>>>
>>>   Ram Ram teri bhond main gaiy ki raan !!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>Omer...
>>>
>>>P.S; Care to reply...
>>



Reading this string of comments from "educated" Pakistanis and Indians,Hindus and/or 
Muslims, it is little wonder why India and Pakistan are still "third" world 
countries. There is a code of ethics in every religion and society and I believe 
they are there to be observed.

Participants should refrain from using the net for this kind of remarks, I 
believe all the time invested by individuals on the net deserves a better 
return.  



Asif
From: silatman@hls.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: The Lesson, The Test, The Death
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:30:08 GMT


   Don't challenge Islam. This life is a test so that you may
improve in your spiritual attributes. The material is immaterial.

   Our reality is that we are SOULS.
 
   We are all locked into our present existence so that we
may undergo a TEST.

   The test is that of complete submission to God, without
bringing your own conjecture in between. The world is not
a place for resting. It is a place for movement in the cause
of Islam, and it will always be a place for hardship, specially
for a muslim. Once you say the kalima, the test starts.
For others, who deny Islam, they have already failed, and
they are set up as an example and allowed to play around
for a while, and presented to you as a test. 

   The process of learning is as follows:

   1. You come to a Lesson.
   2. If Allah swt blesses you, then you understand the Lesson.
      Otherwise, it is wiped off from your mind, and you
      are left to wander.
   3. You live the Lesson. This is when you are presented
      with a Test, without which the process of learning
      is not complete. That is why, as soon as you enter
      Islam, you will be presented with tests and hardships,
      and challenges to your ego.
   4. When you have passed the Test, you have been able to 
      kill something bad that existed in the past with you
      before you faced the Test, and are now reborn,
      a cleaner person than before.

    Other faiths, those who are now married to the world,
have taken the Test out of their curriculum, and operate
on a doctrine married to this world. Within the base truths
that their societies operate on, they do achieve some
success, but they have no Grace from God, and their
building is built on shaky foundation. Those societies
are in Denial, and will not escape their ultimate fate.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: nd3375@meibm5.cen.uiuc.edu (Nishit Dey)
Subject: babur's view about the people living in Indian sub continents:wq
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:46:20 GMT

This are the few paragraphs from a article published in The New York Times,
date dec 11, 1992, page A10.



For centuries after, Muslim invaders ruled large chunks of india, allying
themselves with hindus when convenient, obliterating hindu influence when
necessary. Babur, the first of the Mogul kings, who marched into India
in the early 16th century, saw opportunities for booty but remained singularly
unimpressed by his conquest.
        "Hindustan," he wrote dimissively, " is a country that has few pleasure.
        "They have no genius, no comprehension of mind, no politeness of mannerg
or executing their handicraft works, no skill or knowledge in design or
architecture, they have no horses, no good flesh, no grapes or musk melons, no
good fruits, no ice or cold water, no good food or bread in their bazaars, no
baths or colleges, no candles, no torches, not a candlestick.




Any comments?


Nishit


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