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From: Robert.Evans@cm.cf.ac.uk (Robert Evans)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Linking time for PHIGS programs
Date: 21 Aug 92 10:39:53 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, WALES, UK.

We're using DECPHIGS on PEX DECstation 5000/120s in a student teaching lab.  The students
tend to write a PHIGS C program, compile it - find it is incorrect, rewrite it,
compile it again, run it, alter it etc.  The usual program development cycle.  Last
year, these lab sessions were scheduled to be one hour long.  We found that the
students had great difficulty in developing their programs owing to the time the
Ultrix loader spent linking the PHIGS programs.  The PHIGSC library is about 9MB in size
and the X11 library is more than 4MB and other libraries are needed too.   Even the smallest
PHIGS program is about 6MB.

In an example I tried, the linker took nearly 4 minutes (239 seconds) to create the runnable
image.  The same program on a Sun SPARC 1 to 5 (yes five) seconds to build into a
dynamically loadable image and 12 seconds to build a static image.  The image on the
DECstation is 6591704 bytes (6448K) and on the SPARC it's 417792 bytes (416K).

Can anyone suggest a way of improving the development cycle time?  Is there a faster version
of ld available?  Can the libraries be divided to put commonly-used functions in a smaller
archive?  Why are the DECPHIGS programs so big anyway?

We're running in an ATHENA environment, the user's disc space is on a DECserver 5000 accessed
over NFS.

Thanks.
-- 
  Robert Evans, Department of Computing Mathematics,
  University of Wales College of Cardiff, Wales, UK.  +44 (0)222 874000 x 5518
  Robert.Evans@cm.cf.ac.uk                      (FAX) +44 (0)222 666182
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: max@neumann.cba.csuohio.edu (Max Polk)
Subject: Version of X windows
Organization: Cleveland State University, Cleveland, Ohio
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 02:58:59 GMT

I've tried to compile a few X windows applications (Ultrix 4.2) that
were ftp'd from various sources, and I read things like "R5 version of
X windows" and find out that there are missing headers files in
/usr/lib/X11 that describe things necessary for compilation.

My assumption is that our installed version of X windows is too low,
and that "R5" must be revision five.  Indeed, gatekeeper.dec.com
appears to feature a fifth revision.

How can I find out what version is currenly installed on our system?
The manual pages don't list what version is currently installed, and no
files are sitting around in /usr/bin/X11 or /usr/lib/X11 describing the
installation or version.
From: wnw@lhdx17.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Bill Wally)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: DEC Fortran rtl error
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:31:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.181432.7946@usho93.hou281.chevron.com>, hfwpa@usho43.hou281.chevron.com (F.W.Patrick) writes:
|> 
|> We have been attempting a to link Fortran code compiled with 
|> DEC Fortran for RISC ULTRIX 3.1 with some Fortran libraries
|> obtained from another shop. After a successful link the 
|> following msg comes out ot the Fortran run time library:
|> 
|> forrtl: severe: internal consistency check failure
|> 
|> which the end of it. Does anyone know what this msg means?
|> -- 
|> Fred Patrick, Information Technology,  
|> Chevron Petroleum Technology Co., 
|> P.O. Box 42832,                     e-mail: hfwpa@hou281.chevron.com                               
|> Houston, Texas 77242-2832           phone:  (713) 596-2647

Sometimes turning off compiler optimization fixes these kinds of problems.  We
have had similar ones with Oracle Fortran access, and now NEVER use optimization
in those subroutines that access the database (this is not a performance problem,
since the routines are mostly SQL anyway).
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix,comp.graphics
From: andy@ie.utoronto.ca (Andy Sun)
Subject: DEC's DDIF to other format converter exists?
Organization: University of Toronto, Department of Industrial Engineering
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:03:44 GMT

Hi Everyone,

Does anybody know if there is any software to convert a raster image in
DEC's Digital Document Interchange Format (DDIF) to other more common
image formats? We've have a color scanner from DEC with the DECscan software
but all it will do is write to DDIF. What I do now is to dump the window
using xwd or xgrabsc and the use pbmplus to convert the xwd/xpm files to
other formats. Any help will be appreciated.

Andy
-- 
Andy Sun (andy@ie.utoronto.ca)		4 Taddle Creek Road, Toronto
Computing Coordinator			Ontario, Canada. M5S 1A4
Department of Industrial Engineering	Phone: (416) 978-2920
University of Toronto			Fax:   (416) 978-3453
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: sybertz@brsux0.bro.dec.com (Sybertz Marc)
Subject: Re: DECnsr, has anyone any experience with it?
Reply-To: sybertz@ketje.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Brussels
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:50:07 GMT


In article <JOHN.92Aug18105157@sekrit.WPI.EDU>, john@sekrit.WPI.EDU (John Stoffel) writes:
>Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
>From: john@sekrit.WPI.EDU (John Stoffel)
>Subject: DECnsr, has anyone any experience with it?
>
>
>Our site is looking into getting DECnrs, the Network Save and Restore
>system for our Network of DS3100s and 5000s.  Has anyone out there had
>any experience using this product?  If so, could you answer some or
>all of the following questions?  Any other Backup and Restore programs
>or philosophies or even anecdotes would be very appreciated.  Thanks!
>
>What problems did you have during installation and configuration?  
>

No problem at all.
As all DEC products, the product comes in a 'setld' format which does
anything for you.
After installation, the product is ready to run.

>What backup medium are you using?

3 TLZ04

>How did this affect your network?

Backups are running at night ... and didn't gave any special problems
until today.
DECnsr allows you to use compression before the client send the
data to the server so that the network overload is less.

>How much disk space are you backing up, and how much space did the
>online file indexes use?

9 GB of used data.

This depends greatly on the type of backup you decide to do and the
change made to files to be backuped.
Here, I'm using a schedule so that I have a full backup each 3 months
and incremental each day.
All machines are divided into 3 groups, so that I have one full each month.

I have for the moment for about 4% of 9GB of indexes.

It also depends on how much time you want to keep your index on-line, that
is which browsing policy you define.
 
>Was it easy to use?  Easy to add/delete partitions from the list of
>disks to backup?  Easy for users to ask for old files to be restored?

Current version (1.1) has no motif interface but next will have (V2.0).

With the new version , it is just click. So very easy to use.

>Any other comments you think you can add?

I'm from Digital and I should recommend you to assist a full DECnsr demo
at your local DEC representation. (ask for V2.0 Field Test)

Regards,
Marc Sybertz.

+------------------------------------------+
| From : Marc Sybertz                      |
| Dept : EIS - Unix Service Center         |
| Func : Unix System Management Specialist |
| Mail : sybertz@ketje.enet.dec.com        |
| Loc  : DIGITAL - BRO (Brussels, Belgium) |
+------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: osyjm@cs.montana.edu (Jaye Mathisen)
Subject: Re: DECnsr, has anyone any experience with it?
Organization: CS
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:03:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.143203.26200@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> giltner@pogo.Colorado.EDU (Jon Giltner) writes:
>
>DECnsr is *not* a DEC-developed product. It is simply Legato's Networker
>marketed thru DEC. I don't know how much actual development DEC is
>putting into it, but I am told that DECnsr componants and Networker
>componants interact. This explains why Sun RPC instead of DCE and why
>it's not under CSLG.

I stand corrected.  I did a quick "strings" on the binary, but missed
the "Legato Systems" stuff.  My mistake.  I assumed it was a complete
dec developed product, based on something I read here earlier.

So, disregard my comments on the RPC stuff, and the HP 700 stuff, as they're
no longer applicable.

Even so, I till probably won't buy it though.  I really need to be able to do 
HP9000/700's in any long-term solution I choose.  So unless 2.0 supports it,
NSR is still out.


NSR is conceptually a great product.  The implementation lacks.
-- 
 Jaye Mathisen, COE Systems Manager                (406) 994-4780
 410 Roberts Hall,Dept. of Computer Science
 Montana State University,Bozeman MT 59717	osyjm@cs.montana.edu
From: pcl@oxford.ac.uk (Paul Leyland)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: compiling zip
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:09:56 GMT
Followup-To: comp.unix.ultrix
Organization: Oxford University Computing Service, 13 Banbury Rd, Oxford, OX2
	6NN
In-reply-to: umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca's message of 8 Aug 92 05:25:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug8.052540.27712@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor) writes:

   I want to compile "zip" and "unzip" for my ultrix. The make file's options
   are not defined for "Ultrix". There is a long list of system to select
   but Ultrix doesn't seem to be one of them, How do I compile it for ultrix?
   What system do I select as argument to make?

Apply the following patch:
--------------------------------------------------------------------
*** makefile~   Thu Oct  3 19:02:12 1991
--- makefile    Mon Oct 21 14:57:33 1991
***************
*** 78,83 ****
--- 78,87 ----
  bsd:
        $(MAKE) zips CFLAGS="-O"

+ # Ultrix, like BSD, but different optimise switch
+ ultrix:
+       $(MAKE) zips CFLAGS="-Olimit 999 -O"
+
  # BSD, but missing memset(), memcmp().
  bsdold:
        $(MAKE) zips CFLAGS="-O -DZMEM"
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Paul
--
Paul Leyland <pcl@oxford.ac.uk>          | Hanging on in quiet desperation is
Oxford University Computing Service      |     the English way.
13 Banbury Road, Oxford, OX2 6NN, UK     | The time is come, the song is over.
Tel: +44-865-273200  Fax: +44-865-273275 | Thought I'd something more to say.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: sys_sprute@vxdesy.desy.de (Lars Sprute)
Subject: <None>
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:12:43 GMT

Hi,

I have a problem with printcap entries under Ultrix V4.2.
My printcap files looks as follows :

#
r02ps1|lp|Kyocera P2000 (PostScript) R2 Geb. 2B:\
        :mx#6000:\
        :rm=apollops:\
        :rp=r02ps1:\
        :lp=:\
        :sd=/var/spool/lpd:\
        :sh:
#
r02ps2|Kyocera P2000 (PostScript) R2 Geb. 2B:\
        :mx#6000:\
        :rm=apollops:\
        :rp=r02ps2:\
        :lp=:\
        :sd=/var/spool/lpd:\
        :sh: 
#

lpr prints over server apollops. Every time I print a file via lpr <filename>,
lpr selects the default printer lp, which is in fact  r02ps1. Ok, but the
file is printed on r02ps2 too !

lpc stat give the following:

r02ps1:
        queuing is enabled
        printing is enabled
        1 entry in spool area
        lp is ready and printing via remote
r02ps2:
        queuing is enabled
        printing is enabled
        1 entry in spool area
        lp is ready and printing via remote

What is going on here, any ideas ?

Thanks,

Lars

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: mjr@hussar.dco.dec.com (Marcus J. Ranum)
Subject: Re: Is the 4.2a sendmail DNS-cognisant?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Washington ULTRIX Resource Center
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:43:38 GMT

>I just switched from a Sun to a DECStation 5000/200, and I'm having some 
>problems with my mailer which *may* be due to the sendmail not handling
>domain-type mail, ie mail to hosts with MX records. Sun provides two 
>versions of sendmail, one that deals with MX records and one that doesn't. 
>Does the Ultrix version deal with MX records right, and if not, can someone
>tell me where I can get sources to one that does?

	We use a different mechanism for configuring DNS/BIND or host
tables. Take a look at /etc/svc.conf and /etc/resolv.conf, and read
the manuals about "bindsetup". The sendmail we ship is definitely
MX-aware out of the box. The sendmail.cf file we ship is not quite as
nice as it could be for internet users - I recommend you take a look
at the ones on decuac.dec.com: pub/sendmail-cf

	If you're into rolling your own, there are sources for a plenty
fine version of sendmail on gatekeeper.dec.com, in pub/DEC, under the
name kj-sendmail.

mjr.
From: metcalf@CATFISH.LCS.MIT.EDU (Chris Metcalf)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: fuser equivalent?
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:52:29 GMT
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science

In article <JEW.92Aug13151106@rt.rt.sunquest.com> jew@rt.sunquest.com writes:
>I once picked up a program for Ultrix that duplicated the
>functionality of SYSV fuser.  

Perhaps you are thinking of "ofiles"; see your nearest comp.sources.unix
archive (Volume 25, Issue 72, ofiles2).  We use it here, and it's handy;
it claims to work on Sun, Sony, DEC MIPS, Pyramid, Vax, and Sequent.

-- 
			Chris Metcalf, MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
			metcalf@lcs.mit.edu   //   +1 (617) 253-7766
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: payman@iti.org (Payman Parastaran)
Subject: Fortran for DecStation/Ultrix
Keywords: ultrix,fortran,f77,decstation
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:24:50 GMT

Hello,

Our site is interested in getting fortran for our DecStation 5000/200 running
Ultrix.  Does Dec supply Fortran 77?  If so, at what price?  Are there other
software houses who sell fortran?  (prices please-- for comparison)

Thanks,

--
                       ___________________________________________________
 Payman Parastaran    / payman@nwu.edu....................(312) 274-0897 /
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Northwestern University, Evanston, IL.	     Department of Physics & Astronomy
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: fingerhu@ircam.fr (Michel Fingerhut)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: FTP problem??
Date: 17 Aug 92 07:01:17 GMT
Organization: IRCAM, Paris (France)

hahryar@crc.ricoh.com (Shahryar G. Hashemi) describes failures to ftp a file
out of a DEC to a SUN or a MAC and asks:
>Anyone ever experience this problem??

Yes, sort of.  We can't ftp anything _out_ of any of our ultrix 4.2/RISC
machines out to the internet while we can do it from, say, NeXTs on the same
LAN.  Connection breaks out after anywhere between 20-100Kb.  Our Ethernet
is interfaced to a specialized 9600 baud line via a cisco box.
Xref: sparky comp.unix.ultrix:6246 comp.unix.wizards:3617
From: boyd@prl.dec.com (Boyd Roberts)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.wizards
Subject: Re: A confused tar process...
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:21:22 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Paris Research Laboratory

In article <1992Aug14.153439.12182@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>, drich@sandman.lerc.nasa.gov (Daniel Rich) writes:
> 
> The next step is the part that I am not sure how to do on Ultrix.  You
> need to enter a kernel debugger, and force a return from the routine
> that is waiting.  Since you have probably already sent numorous kills
> to the process, this should force it to terminate.
> 

I glad that you've given _precise_ instructions.

Waking up processes with a kernel debugger (or adb) is just plain
dangerous; it may not even be possible.  I hope we've all read
the comment above sleep() which states that the caller should be
prepared for the sleep to return prematurely.  For this reason,
patching the wchan to `lbolt' (or something similar) may not work
and the machine will panic if you forget to patch the wchan
hash table/chain.  Patching its p_pri may not work either.

In short:  Don't try this at home kids...


Boyd Roberts			boyd@prl.dec.com

``When the going gets wierd, the weird turn pro...''
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: hirai@cc.swarthmore.edu (Eiji Hirai)
Subject: Re: Who is using my ftpd
Organization: Swarthmore College Computing Center, Swarthmore, PA, USA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:24:00 GMT

spa@fct.unl.pt (Salvador Pinto Abreu) writes:
> replace your ftpd with a "nicer" one that does more logging, such as the
> one on wuarchive.wustl.edu.

Yes, this is what I did.  If you need logging or anything more than a bare-
bones ftpd, definitely get wuarchive.wustl.edu:/packages/ftpd.wuarchive.shar.
You'll never turn back.

--
Eiji Hirai <hirai@cc.swarthmore.edu>    :     :    :   :  : :: ::: :::: :::::
Unix Hacker for Swarthmore College      :     :    :   :  : :: ::: :::: :::::
Computing Center, Swarthmore, PA, USA.  Copyright 1992 by Eiji Hirai.
I don't speak for Swarthmore College.   All Rights Reserved.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix,comp.mail.misc
From: ccfj@hippo.ru.ac.za (F. Jacot Guillarmod)
Subject: Help!  Newbie questions about mail on Ultrix in Mozambique.
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:23:27 GMT

I've been volunteered to set up a uucp dialup node on an Ultrix system
at Eduardo Mondlane University in Maputo, Mozambique at the end of this
month or early September.  I've never set eyes on a (modern) Vax, let
alone Ultrix, but have experience with SunOS and SCO Xenix, so I'd like
to get a few reassuring words before setting out.

My intention is to set up normal point to point uucp dialup to link the
university in Maputo with one of our dialup systems (a Sun ELC) here at
Rhodes University, and to install smail-3.1.26 as the "smart" mail
transport with elm and pine as the user interfaces.  Are there any
tricks or subtleties with getting these packages working under Ultrix?
Should I be looking at a different approach?  What's the Ultrix
documentation like?  Does Ultrix support the 'compress' and
'uncompress' utilities? (I've been caught flat footed once before with
an NCR :-()  Anybody got an Ultrix kermit excutable they'd allow me to
FTP from their site?  And, once the email link is working, the guys up
there will be pretty much on their own as regards Ultrix support - are
there any (low volume) mailing lists they should keep an eye on?
Usenet news isn't really an option for them at this stage, unless I
install something like the recently posted 'bsnews' (boot strap news)
for a tiny feed.

The email addressing structure will be something like
"user@dzowo.uem.mz" - where 'dzowo' is the node name of the relevant
Ultrix system, 'uem' stands for Universidade Eduardo Mondlane, and 'mz'
is the ISO-3166 abbreviation for Mozambique.  I'm busy organizing name
servers, setting up MX forwarders (kudu.ru.ac.za) and getting the MZ
domain registered with the NIC, so as to bypass any uucp bangpath
stupidity or uucp map craziness.

There are apparently Vax systems running VMS on other parts of the
campus - is there some way of transferring mail between these systems
using something like uucp?  i.e. is there a VMS uucp package?  Is it
domain smart?  Does it work?

Thanks for any help - it's in a good cause...
-- 
  F.F. Jacot Guillarmod     PO  Box 94     \        |     ccfj@hippo.ru.ac.za
  Computing Centre       Grahamstown 6140   \      /     +27 461 22023 xt 284
  Rhodes University        South Africa      ;___*/   33 18 30 S | 26 31 45 E
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: bibhas@pico.engr.mun.ca (Bibhas Bhattacharya)
Subject: Using mouse input in xterm/DECterm, possible?
Keywords: mouse
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:28:23 GMT

Hi,
I was wondering if it's possible to incorporate mouse in a curses
programming. I was once told that a possible way would be to go through
some of the X386 source codes to find out how X gets the mouse input.
I have a slight hope that perhaps xlib could be used to read from mouse.
Is there any other possible system calls (read/write) that can allow me to
read from mouse?
Thanks.
Bibhas.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: faashb@ohpspd.com (Fe A. Ashburner)
Subject: Re: WordPerfect 5.0
Organization: Ontario Hydro Power System Planning Division
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:44:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.155939.5488@trentu.ca> ccksb@blaze.trentu.ca (Ken Brown) writes:
>I'm having some problems with WordPefect 5.0 running under Ultrix 4.2.
>
>The problem is that wpport (used to define ports for wp printers) cannot be
>accessed once it is created.  The program logo appears and then the error
>message;
>
>	Error:file in use
>
>This is stragne becaue the file is NOT in use.  The only way around this is
>to delete the file wpport.def, fire up wpport and enter all the port
>definitions.  This is a real drag.  WordPerfect annot provide an answer.
>
>Anyone have similar problems and/or a solution?


 Yes I have the same problem.

 Wordperfect claim its problem with Ultrix file locking.

 However  if after creating or updateing wpport.def you do the following

	cp wpport.def wpport.sav
	rm wpport.def
	cp wpport.sav wpport.def

the wpport.def should then be unlocked. 
For some reason you must rm wpport.def before you copy the saved version back
or the file remains locked.

While this is still a bit of a Kludge its a lot better than entering all the 
port info again.



Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: boyd@prl.dec.com (Boyd Roberts)
Subject: Re: pg and echo don't work any more on Ultrix 4.2A, why ?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Paris Research Laboratory
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:50:48 GMT

In article <2314@inasys.UUCP>, behe@inasys.UUCP (Bernd Hentig) writes:
> 
> echo '\033[0m' on any Unix flavour I know (even AIX !!!) sends the proper
> escape sequence to the terminal (this time it resets the video attributes).
> 

Perhaps `any Unix flavour I know' == varients of System V.

The only _portable_ use of echo is when it's invoked with
no options and arguments that contain no \ characters.

Anyway betting that <esc>[0m will do the right thing every
time is one sure way to get burned.  If you must, use tput(1)
but even that opens up portability problems:

    ; whatis tput
    tput not found


Boyd Roberts			boyd@prl.dec.com

``When the going gets wierd, the weird turn pro...''
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix,comp.graphics
From: timper@well.sf.ca.us (Timothy Roger Perkis)
Subject: Stratavision 3d as a renderer?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:36:00 GMT


I'd like to use the Mac Stratavision 3D ap as a renderer for my own
algorithmically generated models. Using their import functions, I
don't have access to the graphic object primitives they support. Has
anyone hacked their model file format, or know a way to import a
model which uses their primitives?
Or alternatively, is this a dumb approach and should I be looking else-
where for a renderer?