HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:27:56 -0500 
From: David O Hunt <bluelobster+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Holographic cryptography


I recall, from several years ago, the possibility of transmitting the
interference fringes (digitized) from a holograph of a document. The
reasoning was that this would be unbreakable w/o knowing the frequency
of the laser used.

Thoughts/questions:

1)  How accurately do you need to know the frequency?

2)  Can the fringe details give clues as to what frequency range to
    search in?

David Hunt
bluelobster+@cmu.edu
From: williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Re: drug dealers on the high seas (was Risks of Using PGP 2.0)
Date: 17 Dec 1992 04:32:06 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
Reply-To: williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums)
NNTP-Posting-Host: athena

In article <1992Dec16.151003.10710@coop.com> felixg@coop.com (Felix Gallo) writes:
>to be in the act of preparing for a crime.
>
>I'm sure the U.S. could have called the Canadians up and had them
>go through the trouble of getting a boat out and making the arrest,
>but if they're on the scene, why bother?
---
	I know it is probably too simple, but why not just inform the
Canadians when the boat makes port?  The the canadians don't need any
boat.

>  Why not make a friendly
>gesture towards our similar-minded brother nation?
---
	Maybe that nation doesn't want that type of enforcement?  Canda
has a much more relaxed attitude towards drugs.  They aren't quite
as fascist and brain-dead.  For the US to step in and enforce their
facist laws in international waters when the boat in question was
not intending to make port in the US nor originate from there is sticking
our mighty nose where it doesn't belong -- again.  And at my expense!
I don't want our government wasting my taxes fighting a 'war' that
the Governments own accounting office says is losing us money for
little or no benefit.  I doubly don't want us spending my taxes to
enforce these same pinbrain attitudes and laws on other nationals.

-wat-
--
1935 will go down in history.  For the first time, a civilized nation has
full gun registration.  Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient,
and the world will follow our lead into the future.
                         --Adolf Hitler
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: sybok@athena.mit.edu (The Rifleman)
Subject: Re: not so anonymous cash
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:29:26 GMT

In article <Bz9KxM.E6x@boi.hp.com> alien@boi.hp.com (Tom von Alten) writes:
>I don't shop there very often, but at my last visit, they asked for my name
>while I had cash in my hand.  I said, "I just want to give you money for
>this part here," and the cashier understood me well enough.
>
>"Just say no."
>
>If they're stupid enough to complain, walk.

Tell them you can't spell your name and don't know how to read or
write, but you'd be glad to give'm cash for a part you need. 

"Duh.  I don't how to write.  I forgot my name, too!"


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From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Junk mailers dirty tricks
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:51:09 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: SPSS Inc.

oppedahl@panix.com (Carl Oppedahl) writes:

>Yes.  The way you slipped up was by revealing your actual new address to
>the Postal Service when you moved.  Smart thing to do is have your mail
>forwarded to a post office box in the new location.  The junk mailers will
>learn the po box number by address correction requested, or simply by
>buying the list of movers from the postal service.
>
>But later you just close the po box, having revealed your actual new
>address only to those of your choosing.

Not quite.  Anyone who wants to, can get the boxholder's street address
from the Postmaster.

 -Steve
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From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,alt.society.civil-liberty,misc.legal
Subject: Re: New Magazine - A Sign of The Times
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:16:16 GMT
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting

bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick) writes:

>feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:

>> The Columbia River is now the most radioactive river in the world.
>> 
>> This environmental/nuclear nightmare, one of a series, brought to you
>> courtesy of General ("We Bring Good Things to Life") Electric.

>I think you meant Westinghouse, primary contractor for Hanford and
>Ranier.

I'm willing to acknowledge Westinghouse as a contributor too.
-- 
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
 
The Columbia River is now the most radioactive river in the world.

This environmental/nuclear nightmare, one of a series, brought to you
courtesy of General ("We Bring Good Things to Life") Electric.
From: vanembur@romulus.rutgers.edu (Bill Van Emburg)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Re: Monitoring
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:28:46 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

> >In article <1992Dec14.005102.7608@rose.com> robert.heuman@rose.com (robert heuman) writes:
> >>
> >>Date Entered: 12-13-92 19:40
> >>Keystroke monitoring is simply one manifestation of a problem.  I have 
> >>great difficulty with making telephone calls to various US Software 
> >>houses and their support lines where I am told that the call will be 
> >>monitored to ensure that I receive quality support... after I listen 
> >>to the musak...
> >>

I don't really understand the problem here.  Is it that the company
could record the conversation, thereby having a record of what you
said, and what they said?

I can say that, at least with NJ Bell, for whom I work, calls are
monitored for no other reason than quality assurance.  Supervisors
listen in on their employees calls for the purpose of ensuring that a
professional image is presented to the customer.  When someone's
telephone skills are not up to snuff, it's brought to their attention
so that they may correct the problem.

Perhaps someone can enlighten me to abuses of this idea, but this
purpose that I have seen is perfectly reasonable.  BTW - the plug to
listen in on the conversation is right at the agent's desk, so they
know when they are being monitored.

					-BVE
					(er..that's Bill Van Emburg)
					(vanembur@remus.rutgers.edu)
	"You do what you want, and if you didn't, you don't"
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: johnsomr@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Mark R Johnson)
Subject: Re: Monitoring
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:30:13 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

In article <1992Dec14.005102.7608@rose.com> robert.heuman@rose.com (robert heuman) writes:
>
>Date Entered: 12-13-92 19:40
>Keystroke monitoring is simply one manifestation of a problem.  I have 
>great difficulty with making telephone calls to various US Software 
>houses and their support lines where I am told that the call will be 
>monitored to ensure that I receive quality support... after I listen 
>to the musak...
>
Borland did this to me just last week.  It was "to assure quality."

>I do NOT want the call monitored, but if I want the support (help) I 
>have to subject myself to it.  I also suspect the STAFF at the company 
>end do not want the call monitored, but they have no choice.  I 
>supposedly do, as I can hang up.
>
>My question is how do I get the support required WITHOUT permitting 
>the call to be monitored?  I have, on occasion, told the support 
>person who eventually answered that I expressly do NOT WANT THE CALL 
>MONITORED.  Yet I have no assurance that my wishes are regarded.
>
>Anyone else having a problem with this practice please feel free to 
>jump in.  Also note that in my case this is almost always an 
>INTERNATIONAL telephone call, and it may in fact be a violation of the 
>law of the country where the call originates to monitor the call in 
>this fashion, even if it is NOT a violation in the US.
>
I doubt it, since the recording equipment is in California.

>Maybe we should demand the extradition of the members of the FCC board 
>to answer to us for this violation of our privacy.
>
>Bob Heuman
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From: ahm@spatula.rent.com (Andreas Meyer)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy,misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Junk mailers dirty tricks
Date: 16 Dec 92 04:49:15 GMT
Reply-To: ahm@spatula.rent.com (Andreas Meyer)
Organization: A kitchen utensil somewhere in central New Jersey

johne@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (John Eaton) writes:
> What probably happens is that the junkies run all their lists through
> an algorithm that hashes each address into it's lowest common denoninator.
> They then sort and throw out the duplicates.

Doubtful. I can't imagine they do more than is absolutely necessary;
like merge many lists into one large one. After all, the folks who sell
lists get paid by the number of addresses, so I suspect accuracy isn't
a major concern.

Personally, I'm gonna try out the rubber stamp routine... :-)

Andy
-- 
 Andreas Meyer, N2FYE                          ahm@spatula.rent.com
 If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
From: epstein@cs.uiuc.edu (Milt Epstein)
Subject: Re: Store settles suit on privacy
Reply-To: epstein@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:29:03 GMT

In <1992Dec16.013515.6624@panix.com> oppedahl@panix.com (Carl Oppedahl) writes:

>An article in a recent issue of the New York Times describes a lawsuit
>in which Mervyn's Department stores in California may be 
>eligible for nearly $6 million worth of vouchers.  The store had been
>requiring customers to reveal their telephone numbers when using 
>charge cards, but state law says customers did not have to. 
>Four customers sued, and now the store is settling.
>
>Keep up the good work, I say.

Do you recall any more details of this case?  Like, don't the
plaintiffs need to show that they were harmed in some way by having to
provide the phone numbers?  Or can they just ask for money since the
store broke the law?

-- 
Milt Epstein
Department of Computer Science
University of Illinois
epstein@cs.uiuc.edu
From: wb8foz@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (David Lesher)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy
Subject: Re: Miracle at Radio Shack
Date: 16 Dec 1992 00:54:41 GMT
Organization: NRK Clinic for habitual NetNews abusers - Beltway Annex
Reply-To: wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher)
NNTP-Posting-Host: skybridge.scl.cwru.edu

Others said:
# I just keep lots of fake
# numbers and addresses handy.  Remember back when movies still had
# dialable telephone numbers?  

Anyone who has ever lived in Cleveland uses:
	Garfield 1 2323
In fact, someone I know claims to have seen written on a latrine
wall in Nice!

{A company hawking aluminum siding has run the same commercial
for going on 25 yaers now. As they say in alt.fan.dave-berry,
I'm not making this up!}
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Newsgroups: alt.privacy,misc.consumers
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Junk mailers dirty tricks
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:51:21 GMT

->: it is possible that the mailbox service is selling your name around
->: ... they wouldn't (naturally) append a suffix).
->: 
->They receive the same amount of rent whether you get one letter a month 
->or 20 a day. It is in their best interest to keep you off junk lists.

not unless selling your name (along with the names of your companions
at the mailbox place) gets them money.  if you own mailboxes, etc.
then you have in your posession a collection of thousands of people
who are affluent enough to pay $10-$20/month to get their postal mail
somewhere else.  that's enough to make some telemarketers/junkmailers
spooge.

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From: biggles@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Matthew Barton)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: TOP TEN SONGS ABOUT FOOD!
Summary: Hurl, Lurch, Flip Flop Slip & Slide
Keywords: NOT!
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:35:31 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

Religious Vomit - Dead Kennedys

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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: Vito Bratta (White Lion)?
Organization: none
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:55:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.120140.7443@ericsson.se> etxpell@mega.ericsson.se writes:
>Does anyone know what happened to Vito Bratta (former White Lion), after they
>split up? 
>I'm sure he didn't quit the guitar just because of that...
>I think I saw something at this newsgroup some time ago, about him and Nuno 
>playing together. Correct?
>
>Cheers,
>       Pelle
>_______________________________________________________________________________
>

Last I heard, he was going solo. Supposed to have a new album coming
out anyday now.
Pax
					--Judex--
From: 00fwmyers@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Duluoz And E)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: LET'S GET PHYSICAL (NIN)...
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:25:48 GMT
Organization: Guernica

In article <18137@autodesk.COM>, davec@Autodesk.COM (Dave Cooper) writes:
> Rockers!
> 
> Track 98 of the Nine Inch Nails CD "BROKEN" has this undocumented
> song about something "Physical." (Yeah, yeah, I know there is also
> a track 99).
> 
> Is this the same "Physical" song that some creature called Olivia
> Newton John did back in the Disco Age?
> 
> Anyone know the words?
> 
> Post to me directly...
> 
> Cheers
> 


I believe it is the Adam Ant version of Physical.


> DAVE
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Subject: Re: BEST COVERS!!!
Organization: Victoria University of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 10:44:02 GMT

c162-cc@po.berkeley.edu (Chua Hak Lien) writes:

>Aztec Camera "Jump". ( It sounds like a song from a suicide. )

I'm a Van Halen fan and I think that Aztec Camera's version
was okay even though it was really slow and different to
the Van Halen version.

Jed


Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: etxtlm@sta.ericsson.se (Tomas Lindstrom)
Subject: Re: Please Help Me Place This Cover
Reply-To: etxtlm@sta.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:34:11 GMT

In article 14283@ericsson.se, etxtlm@sta.ericsson.se (Tomas Lindstrom) writes:
>In article 23391@rchland.ibm.com, ehrhart@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jeffrey Ehrhart) writes:
>>In article <14DEC199223130691@csa2.lbl.gov>, watts@csa2.lbl.gov (PAUL N WATTS) writes:
>>|> In article <1992Dec15.055214.14674@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, mad5c@uvacs.cs
>>|> Virginia.EDU writes...
>>|> 
>>|> >Would some kind soul please tell me who originally did the song
>>|> >'The Red and the Black', which the Minutemen covered for on their
>>|> >'Tour-Spiel' EP? 
>>|> >The credits say '(Bloom/Bouchard/Pearlman)'.
>>|> 
>>|> I'm pretty sure it's an old Blue Oyster Cult (sorry, I don't remember where the
>>|> umlaut goes) song.  Hang on, lemmee ask my housemate.
>>|> 
>>|> [Paul yells into the next room]
>>|> 
>>|> Yep, he says it is, but neither of us remember which album it's on. 
>>  I think the album in question is "Cultasaurus Erectus"
>>
>>-- 
>>Jeff Ehrhart
>
>
>Nope, it's from second albums Tyrrany and Mutation, 1973.
>Cultosaurus Erectus came much later, early eighties.
>
>/ Tomas
>

Whoooops!
Sorry about the bad grammer. That's how it goes when you edit a text without checking
it.
(Might as well apologies immediately, or I'll probably receive flames from yerks
saying: "Ya stupid foreigner, learn English.)

/ Tomas

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: rock@medch.b17b.ingr.com (Chris Hudson)
Subject: Re: BEST COVERS!!!
Reply-To: rock@medch.b17b.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:24:00 GMT

Why not, I've been watching this thread for weeks without posting anything:

Joanna Dean:    Gimme Shelter 
Tori Amos:      Angie
Dash Rip Rock:  I Saw the Light and Delta Dawn

Chris Hudson
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 are not my peers
From: mosk@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM (Mr Blur)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Best debut albums
Date: 19 Dec 1992 00:04:21 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: mosk@thechurch.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: thechurch.ebay.sun.com


There's two:

Marquee Moon - Television
Of Skins And Heart - The Church

in any order... :-)  

-m
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: tevonian@dcl-nxt01 (Pete Tevonian)
Subject: Re: Barenaked Ladies tour info anyone???
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:06:57 GMT

Dean_Wagner@aldhfn.akron.oh.us (Dean_Wagner) writes:

>I was wondering if the Barenaked Ladies are on tour or going on tour in the
>US, and if so, when they'll be in the Cleveland/Northern Ohio area.

Yeah, I was wondering the same thing, only about the New Jersey/New York
area. 

Oh, and by the way Dean, I just pulled Switchin' To Gilde out and popped
it into my tape deck today. First time in months, and here you have it
as your .sig. Who woulda thunk it?

:) Email me ya weenie. :)

>--
>Dean Wagner                        Nothing matters but the weekend
>Dean_Wagner@aldhfn.akron.oh.us    From a Tuesday point of view
>bx451@cleveland.freenet.edu             -Switch into Glide, The Kings

--Pete Tevonian
From: earn@portia.caltech.edu (Eric)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Please Help Me Place This Cover
Followup-To: alt.rock-n-roll
Date: 16 Dec 1992 17:31 PDT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: portia.caltech.edu
Keywords: Minutemen
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1992Dec15.055214.14674@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, mad5c@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU writes...
> 
>Would some kind soul please tell me who originally did the song
>'The Red and the Black', which the Minutemen covered for on their
>'Tour-Spiel' EP?
> 
>The credits say '(Bloom/Bouchard/Pearlman)'.
> 
>Thanks in advance.
> 
>Mike.

     Has it really been so long long that the early 70's, pre "pop" sellout
greatness of Long Island's  Blue Oyster Cult (can't do the umlaut) has been
forgotten?  The Red and the Black can be found on the Tyranny and Mutation album
and a live version is also on On Your Feet or on Your Knees.  In fact another
version of this song appears under a different name on BOC's self-titled
debut album.  If you've never heard them they produced some really loud
riffin' guitar-based rock with twisted lyrics and great hooks.  Unfortunately
everything they recorded after 1975 (and they're *still* at it) is real hit
or miss.
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: wtj@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (william.t.jensen)
Subject: If you could see me now/BOC/Badger
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:05:21 GMT


"If you could see me now" is by Devonsquare off their
"Bye Bye Route 66" album/cd, I believe it came out in
1991 or so.

The BEST description of Blue Oyster Cult's sound was
done in Rolling Stone magazine in the mid 70's. They
called their music "Cossack rock".

As far as best debut albums, no one has mentioned my
vote from November, "One Live Badger" by Badger, sort
of a "Yes" soundalike. Anyone remember???????

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: rock@medch.b17b.ingr.com (Chris Hudson)
Subject: Re: WORST COVER TUNES
Reply-To: rock@medch.b17b.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:57:01 GMT

In article <1gial3INNipu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell) writes:
|> 
|> Well maybe it's just the fact that I'm SICK AND TIRED OF GODDAMN TOP 40
|> CRAP RADIO.  They don't play any music with any real substance to it.  It
|> doesn't take chances.  I would never hear any interesting music, like Jesus
|> and Mary Chain, Beautiful South, or Misfits.  Look, most Top 40 was scared
|> to play even Nirvana's second single.."Come As You Are"  Clapton RE-making
|> a song for Top 40...well let's just say it disgusts me.
|> 
|> Mike Cornell
|> mac18@po.cwru.edu

What makes you think that Clapton was re-making the song for Top-40?  Maybe he
just decided to re-make it with a kind of shuffling blues beat.  Besides, a lot
of the popular classic rock is just TOP-40 MUSIC FROM THE SEVENTIES!  

Chris Hudson
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,rec.music.misc,alt.music.alternative,alt.thrash
From: mad5c@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Michael DeLong)
Subject: Please Help Me Place This Cover
Followup-To: alt.rock-n-roll 
Keywords: Minutemen
Reply-To: mad5c@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:52:14 GMT


Would some kind soul please tell me who originally did the song
'The Red and the Black', which the Minutemen covered for on their
'Tour-Spiel' EP?

The credits say '(Bloom/Bouchard/Pearlman)'.

Thanks in advance.

Mike.