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From: jg4n+@andrew.cmu.edu (Julie Marie Goodliffe)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Fwd: Poetry Suggestion
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:52:34 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I think that this mistakenly came to me:


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Try 

kipling's

IF
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: One-joke books
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:55:42 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: le01167@portal.lasc.lockheed.com (Ron Nadel (x2025))

In article <26AUG199207464935@portal.lasc.lockheed.com>, le01167@portal (Ron Nadel (x2025)) writes:
>>The only one that comes to mind right now is Knutson FLATTENED
>>FAUNA, a field guide to roadkill.

>I don't know if this is a 1-joke book.  Although the theme is a
>take-off on field guide books etc., I find he has different parodies
>throughout the book so it doesn't get too monotonous.

It's a one-joke book.  The ability to tell the same joke in several
dozen ways--eg, predictably wry comments about the inappropriateness
of various animals' responses to danger and predators--does not make
it a multi-joke book.

I've come across a serious biological study of vacant lot fauna.  In
case anyone is interested, I can look it up.

Knutson has another book out now, FURTIVE FAUNA, a field guide to the
ticks, mites, fungi, and so on that live off of you.  Not as outrageous
as FLATTENED FAUNA, but still a delightful and humorous read.  At least
if you don't mind learning the truth about the face mites living inside
your eyebrows and other such buggers.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: drm@esl.com (Don McGregor )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Books on Disc
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:45:14 GMT
Reply-To: drm@esl.com

It's more fun than a rainy afternoon spent browsing through Powell's  
and probably a whole lot cheaper...it's the Desktop Library CD-ROM.

Walnut Creek CDROM is selling a disc choc full 'o books for only  
$39.95, plus $5 shipping and whatever taxes.  Everybody from  
Aeschylus to Yeats, Bulwer-Lytton to Wilde, Austen to Tolstoy.  Over  
140 authors in all.  The books are in plain ASCII text format files.   
Curl up in front of your CRT and peruse _Wuthering Heights_ or  
_Zarathustra_ when your brain refuses to become deeply, deeply  
concerned about that fandango on core your code is doing.  

The overall effect is very impressive.  You can fit a whole lot of  
stuff onto 600+ MB of disc.  This one includes, as near as I can  
figure, parallel directories for the books with the same contents,  
one with the books in compressed format and one with uncompressed  
text.  The uncompressed text directory is 280 MB. It's a wonderful  
thing when storage media outpaces the ingenuity of those trying to  
fill it up.  

Most of the titles are the two or three "greatest hits" for the  
author.  You get _Pride and Prejudice_ and _Sense and Sensibility_  
for dear Jane, _Gulliver's Travels_ and "A Modest Proposal" for  
Swift, _Anna Karina_ and _War and Peace_ for Tolstoy.  Well-read  
rabbers will find a lot of familiar territory.  There are still some  
interesting nooks; Jefferson's letters and some other writings, _The  
Japan That can Say No_, and an extensive collection of DWM's from  
Greece and Rome...Plutarch, Plato, Tacitus et al.  You probably  
snoozed through the section on those guys in High School and had a  
bad hangover in College, so here's your chance to catch up. Try  
finding them at the local WaldenBooks anyway.

It might be interesting to sacrifice a few hundred meg of disk space,  
use a text indexing and retrieval program, and perform text searches  
to come up with that learned and apropos quotation from Shakespeare for  
your Usenet postings. 

The disc is ISO 9660 format.  They include some Windows, DOS and  
Amiga utilities.  I have a NeXT so the worth of the utilities is  
unknown to me.  You can contact Walnut Creek CDROM at 1547 Palos  
Verdes, Suite 260, Walnut Creek CA 94596-2228; 1-800-786-9907;  
1-510-947-5996; FAX 1-510-947-1644; Email rab@cdrom.com. I have no  
connection with the company.  

--
Don McGregor
drm@esl.com  
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: Why I read the Economist
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 10:50:44 GMT

Jeremy Henderson writes:

	I'm surprised to have seen no mention of the one US news magazine
	that is intelligent, informative, well-written, and entertaining.
	I refer, of course, to The Nation. The regular columns by, in
	particular, Christopher Hitchens, Alexander Cockburn and Edward
	Said are streets ahead of anything found in The Economist and its
	ilk.

Yes, I have been surprised at the mindless and inordinate amount of attention
that TIMESWEEK has been getting -- as though they were the only sources of
news. I cannot wait to read the soon to appear thread on USA TODAY. I
thought that Matthew Huntbach had the Economist dead to rights -- aimed
at Six-Formers, although that description wil pass over most Merkun heads.
Personally, I miss TIME & TIDE. Lady Rhondda's rag was beautifully printed,
and had the most interesting competitions. Of the American pop weeklies, 
PEOPLE magazine is the least pretentious and has rather good film reviews.
certainly their standard of writing is quite superior to TIMESWEEK. Of
course, their straightforward style might not appeal to the pseudo
intellectual RAB mindset.

						Fido
From: doland@mammoth.com (Doug Doland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Titles for Tom Maddox Biography Needed
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:58:32 GMT
Organization: Mammoth Data Structures

O wheeee! R.a.b. is such lovely delightful fun! "Wot larx," as Joe the
Blacksmith would say. Books are lovely! lurvly! lerfly! I've read seven
books lo this week past. How about you, little fanny-worn-down???

I'm-a clappin' real fast using only my fingertips. Can you do that, my
whimsical, postdoctoral friends? I'll bet you can [wink, wink].

Can anyone help me name my Tom Maddox biography? Shimmy your little
antique pince-nez up your oily little nosie-kins and batten down yer
thinking caps, matey. Oh, Dan'l, stop, you're so abominably literal! Mr.
Godwin will think you're the veritable missing link! O the humanity! O the
ontology! O the taxidermy! O poop! I'm such a grouch today.

"I'm so witty, I'm so witty and pretty and gay..."

Tommy, can you hear me? Tommy, can you see me? You will, o' course, get
final peeky-boo of the galleys, but what do think of this:

        TOM MADDOX: THE ZIT WHO MADE MEDICAL SCIENCE WEEP

                                                        Boi, boi.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: alison@wsrcc.com (Alison Chaiken)
Subject: Buckdancer's choice
Organization: W S Rupprecht Computer Consulting, Fremont CA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 04:25:21 GMT

	Anyone know what this phrase means?  It is both the title of a
James Dickey poetry collection and is mentioned in the song "Uncle
John's Cabin."

	Everyone else who read this group a few years ago seemed to
know what a reiver was, so I trust that dozens of you know the answer
to this question, too!

-- 
Alison Chaiken 				alison@wsrcc.com
(510) 422-7129 [daytime] 		or chaiken@cmsgee.llnl.gov
(510) 422-7300 [FAX]
Live fast, die young, leave a long publication list.
From: manes@bu-pub.bu.edu (Michelle Manes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The Literary Canon
Keywords: Greeks race Cramer foolishness
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:33:09 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <11983@optilink.UUCP>, cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:

|> What is with liberals?  Why are they so stupid?
|>
|> For the same reason that you think the Greeks weren't white -- you
|> are a liberal, and therefore brain-damaged.
|> 
|> Oh that's right, Beethoven and Cleopatra were black.  The light
|> bulb was invented in Africa, and whites are a genetic experiment
|> conducted by blacks.  Got anymore Afrocentrism to vomit?
|>
|> Teacher?  Me?  More ignorance.
|>
|> 
|> No, just an asshole.  And an ignorant one at that.


And to think I was wasting my time arguing with this guy...


michelle (not a liberal no matter how you care to define me --
I don't even vote.  :P)

-- 
Michelle Manes		|	"What should I be when I grow up?"
manes@bass.bu.edu	|	"Honest."
			|	-Robert M. Pirsig
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Why I read the Economist
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<12125@optilink.UUCP>
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:26:53

In article <12125@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:

   In article <jyc.715401688@Leland>, jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis) writes:
   >    I seem to be the only person so far posting to this topic who lives
   > in, or at least who will admit to living in, Palo Alto, and I don't see
   > what all this fuss is about.  We Palo Altans have never considered
   > ourselves to be above the common people.  Indeed, it is an article of
   > faith with us that we should treat those who aren't fortunate enough to
   > live here exactly as if they were our equals.

   Except when desiring to enter a public park owned by the City of
   Palo Alto.  Of course, race has nothing to do with the policy,
   oh no. :-)
   -- 
   Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
   Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
   prohibition won't work.

I welcome this opportunity to disagree with Clayton Cramer, since I
usually agree with him.  The park in question is Foothills Park,
the land for which was donated to Palo Alto by Dr. Russell Lee, the
founder of the Palo Alto Medical Clinic.  To use the land for a park
it had to be developed at considerable expense.  When this expense
was determined, the City of Palo Alto asked neighboring cities
and possibly neighboring counties whether they wanted to participate.
When none did, the park was reserved for Palo Alto residents.  None
of the other Palo Alto parks has any restriction.  By the way,
Stanford University, where I live, was also one of the entities that
declined to participate in the development of the park.

I think we deserve what we got.

By the way one of the incidental expenses of developing Foothill
Park was making sure it was entirely clear of land mines.  Dr. Lee's
well known public spirit had extended during the Korean War to allowing
SRI to test the use of dogs there for finding nonmetallic land mines.

SRI was very sure that all had been removed, and indeed none were found.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: Life's too short. Was: 1930s Science Fiction
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:22:35 GMT

Jeff Davis writes:

	Dan'l DanehyOakes writes:

		[I wrote and was mis-attributed to Tom Maddox]

			I've tried for almost 12 seconds to come up 
			with a broader umbrella for science fiction 
			than man's relationship to science and can't. 
			Please enlighten me. 
        
		[A thoughtful and only occasionally insulting article 
		on the uses and realms of science fiction deleted]

	I thank you. Eleanor thanks you. And my dog Falla thanks you.
	I believe this thread can no claim to have served its purpose.
	                          ~~~~~~~~

No claim? Is this the infamous "no fault, no claim" policy from our
resident Reb Without a Cause? There is a level of politesse about this
thread that is fast becoming nauseating. It is to the Mad Dog's credit
that he tried -- albeit somewhat feebly -- to inject a little invective
into the discussion. Why are we all so damnably namby-pamby? Where are
the Drydens of today? Lets put an end to this snivel. The net cries out
for a more robust style of discussion.  For starters, lets compose a 
pastiche to one of Dryden's best. I'll supply the title, *Mac Dogsnot*.

			Arf arf,

							Fido
From: sph0301@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu (Kate Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: couple Ross Macdonald queries
Date: 4 Sep 1992 13:07:17 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Texas School of Public Health

In article <h=mnv2l@lynx.unm.edu> rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires) writes:
>From: rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires)
>Subject: couple Ross Macdonald queries
>Date: 4 Sep 1992 05:30:06 GMT
>I've started _The Underground Man_.  It is taking place in Santa Teresa,
>which I seem to recall is the same town Sue Grafton's character lives in.
>Is this correct, and is this a real town in CA?

Not having my atlas at hand, I can't say whether Santa Teresa actually
exists...I would suspect not because Sue Grafton's Santa Teresa is actually
a thinly disguised Santa Barbara.

kate
From: tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: ENTROPY & IRONY
Date: 27 Aug 92 08:15:35 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

In article <87130@netnews.upenn.edu> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
>In article <33bnf2l.richh@netcom.com>, richh@netcom (richh) writes:
>>All right, *you* come up with a better title for a biography of 
>>Thomas Pynchon.

>MINDFUL PLEASURES

	Sorry, that one was used for a book of essays about Pynchon.

-- 
				Tom Maddox
		    	    tmaddox@netcom.com
		   "I swear I never heard the first shot"
                Wm. Gibson, "Agrippa:  a book of the dead"
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,talk.philosophy.misc,sci.classics
From: davidf@golem.uucp (David J. Fiander)
Subject: Re: I need a word
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 16:49:46 GMT

According to rauchway@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Andrew Rauchway):
>Since the OED doesn't appear to have this term and is therefore mute on its
>provenance, I'm guessing that the term "straw man" comes from the English
>Guy Fawkes celebration, in which the foiling of the Gunpowder Plot to
>blow up Parliament is commemorated.  Folks burn straw effigies of Fawkes.
>Therefore a straw man is a phony representation of an opponent or opposing
>argument that is set up merely to be destroyed.  Or something like that.

Well, the Concise OED (which is all I can afford) doesn't have
provenances at all, but it does have "man of straw".

	1. an insubstantial person; an imaginary person set up
	as an opponent.  2. a stuffed effigy.  3. a person
	undertaking a financial commitment without adequate
	means.  4. a sham argument set up to be defeated.

- David
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Sea Stories
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 00:27:08 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

"We Didn't Mean to Go to Sea", by Arthur Ransome.
From: Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca (Crawford Kilian)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Douglas Coupland, who is he?
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:07:30 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

The new book by Douglas Coupland is titled Shampoo Planet. I don't know much
about him, but in radio interviews he's engagingly articulate.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Forster (was Re: MFK Fisher (Re: Bang, BANG, B-A-N-G!)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:12:13 GMT

> mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto) writes...

> I believe that Forster's own sexual
>awakening occurred during his time in India.  Forster may well have
>agreed with Hemingway, though.  He stopped publishing after PASSAGE,
>because he wanted to write about homosexual themes, and felt that
>books on that subject would not be accepted.

In his introduction to the Folio Society edition of "A Passage
to India," Michael Holroyd writes:

    "'A Passage to India' is dedicated 'to Syed Ross Masood and
    to the seventeen years of our friendship'.  In the novel,
    the relationship between Fielding and Aziz recalls some-
    thing of this special friendship which rescued Forster from
    what his biographer [P.N. Furbank] calls a life 'full of
    aunts and tea-parties and little jokes and chocolate hares'.
    With Masood, a charming and princely-looking Muslim, Forster
    fell in love deeply but silently, since unlike himself
    Masood was not homosexual.  When, years later, he did
    suddenly reveal his love, Masood replied laconically: 'I
    know'.  These feelings for Masood were more intense than
    his devotion to his mother and utterly different from any-
    thing else he had felt before.  He became more open in
    expressing emotions and more exploratory, breaking through
    barriers of class and colour, and experiencing a few homo-
    sexual affairs that made him feel 'a grown-up man'.  His
    debt to Masood, he wrote, was 'incalculable'.  Without him
    'A Passage to India' would never have been written."

Forster met Masood in 1906, and first traveled to India in 1912.
He began translating his Indian experiences into a novel in the
Summer of 1913, but switched in the autumn to "Maurice", the
homosexual novel that wasn't published until 1971.  He resumed
"A Passage to India" after World War I and completed it after
another visit to India in 1921.

-- 
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From: jjh00@outs.ccc.amdahl.com (Joel J. Hanes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Sea Stories
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:26:50 GMT
Reply-To: jjh00@OUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Joel J. Hanes)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


My copy of _An_Oxford_Companion_To_Ships_And_The_Sea_
has greatly added to my understanding and enjoyment of
nearly all wooden-ships sea stories.

Or, for a more schematic view, you might like Royce's
_Sailing_Illustrated_
---
Joel Hanes
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: spb0457@zeus.tamu.edu (SubGenius)
Subject: Re: Time for Burgess?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:42:00 GMT

Karamchedu writes...
> 
> Interesting to come across someone who is reading Burgess (the first one I
>know apart from whom I've suggested to read Anthony Burgess).   I read some
>of his books: The Enderby series, Clockwork series, 1985, Piano Players,

[deletia]

+-------------------------------------SubG-------------------------------------+
"Clockwork series"?  Since when is there a sequel to _A Clockwork Orange_.
Closest I can think of is _Clockwork Testament_, which was actually an Enderby
novel.

















-SubG

Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:15267 rec.humor:27352 alt.folklore.urban:22461 rec.arts.sf.misc:2751
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.humor,alt.folklore.urban,rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Agnostics and Athiests
From: rocher@husc8.harvard.edu (Jean-Marc Rocher)
Date: 29 Aug 92 17:33:55 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Aug27.145103.14601@ncmicro.lonestar.org> ltf@ncmicro.lonestar.org (Lance Franklin) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.194259.853@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay) writes:
>}In article <1992Aug25.153404.2055@ccs.QueensU.CA> 3005904@jeff-lab.queensu.ca (Colleen Davis (Dexter)) writes:
>} >>>>>>>IF THIS DOESN'T STOP, IM GOING TO START THE WORST CASCADE EVER.
>} >>>>>>WHILE EATING THIS SLOP, I SEWED THE FIRST BROCADE BEAVER.
>} >>>>>BILE FITTING RIG STOP, LIE SPEWED THIRST LIVER !!!!
>} >>>>IF YOU MUST CONTRIBUTE, AT LEAST DELIVER...
>} >>>WHO MAY I ATTRIBUTE TO THIS BEASTLY SLIVER?
>} >>TO SPAY A LUTE IN A GREASY RIVER
>} >DAMN CASCADERS THINK YOU'RE SO CLEVER
>} I WILL NOT CASCADE; NOPE, NO, NEVER
>WOULD YOU, COULD YOU, ON A TRAIN?
WOULD YOU, COULD YOU, IN THE RAIN?
>
>
>
>Sam I am!

					...Jean-Marc Rocher
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The Literary Canon
Keywords: Greeks race Cramer foolishness
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:41:22 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <94999@bu.edu> manes@bu-pub.bu.edu (Michelle Manes) writes:
>
>And to think I was wasting my time arguing with this guy...
>

Wasting your time?  Never!  What a welcome diversion from the "tales o' the
sea" thread.  

Now, back to whether all Turks are fat ...



-- 
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu

Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things.
            -- J. Danforth Quayle  
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: tilden@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Robert Tilden)
Subject: Re: I give up...
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:34:20 GMT

Hi,
        Thanks for the information. I'm glad I gave everyone a chance to
show off a bit of knowledge! Actually, I *did* look in Nortons, but my
search was complicated by the fact that the fragment of _Dover Beach_ did
not include the first line. It did not occur to me to check Bartlett's, but
I will do that if I run across a similar question in the future.
        There is the further question of why I didn't recognize the
fragment in the first place. Besides having a memory like a sieve, I really
don't think I ran across it in high school- it was the late '60s and we
were doing in-depth analyses of popular song lyrics... College was for
engineering, not much literature...

Better late than never!

-Bob    tilden@nuhepl.phys.nwu.edu

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: kamorgan@athena.mit.edu (Keith Morgan)
Subject: Re: New book by SNL's Father Guido Sarduce (sp?) ?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:37:00 GMT


	Mike Godwin writes:

	The first name is Don. The last name is not Lazlo--it's Novello. Don
	Novello is the creator of the characters Lazlo Toth and Father Guido
	Sarducci.

	Barrie Trinkle adds:

	And the brother of U.S. Surgeon General Antonia Novello.


The propensity for uniforms must run in the family.

Keith 




--
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kamorgan@athena.mit.edu       |                          H.L. Mencken
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From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: Sea Stories
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:52:10 GMT

John F. Hughes recommends:

	"Shackelton's Boat Journey," by Worsley. 

In the history of polar exploration two men stand out, both born about
the same time. Fridtjof Nansen for the North and Ernest Henry Shackleton 
for the South. It is our good fortune that they were both writers of some
distinction, and both sailors of great skill. I believe they should be
allowed to tell their own stories.

	*FARTHEST NORTH* (1897, English translation) by Fridtjof Nansen

        *SOUTH* (1919) by Edmund Henry Shackleton.

It is interesting that biographers of Nansen include a Shackleton and a 
Scott. 

							Fido