From: z_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd
Subject: Re: Why are their level limits?
Date: 25 Aug 92 15:04:04 CST
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Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1992Aug25.112934.12268@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>, gajensen@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
> In article <1992Aug24.205643.12256@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>, jwwalden@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (P'relan) writes:
>> In article <1992Aug24.142442.12248@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>, gajensen@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
>>> In article <1992Aug24.163644.10293@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, kevin@sherman.pas.rochester.edu (kevin mcfadden) writes:
>>>> 	Ok, this may be a faq but it has been a nagging problem.  What justifies the limiting
>>>> of levels and classes of non human race characters?  Certainly not their racial benefits.
>> I also allow any
>> race to become any class or to be dual classed or multi-classed so you don't
>> have to choose a non-human to have a multi-classed character and as DM I can
>> always throw in nasty surprises (so, you thought this was just an orc, did you? 
>> well, he's a 17th level fighter with a vorpal blade - have fun! :-). 
> 
> Yeah, this is a good way to make players paranoid all the time. Great tactic
> for those of you who have complacent players.

	I've always allowed humans to be multi-class. I don't allow dwarves,
halflings, or half-orcs to be mages, though.

>> As to the second problem, do you ever play campaigns that last centuries? 
> 
> No, not anymore, and the one I was in before really didn't count as it was
> monty haul. I put that in because the worlds that the characters will be
> adventuring in have lasted for centuries, and in alllikelihood, will last for
> centuries more. In such a world that has existed for centuries, the demi-humans
> would already be at the power levels I described. They would be the ones in
> power, and you would probably have a world that is mostly run by demi-humans.
> Human cultures would be very weak in comparison. 
> 
>> and I rule that non-humans, because of their long lifespans,
>> aren't as interested or concentrated in gaining levels throughout their entire
>> lifespans as humans sometimes are so there aren't any elven mages whose levels
>> have to be given in exponential notation.
> 
> I don't think I can buy this, you will always have the exception to the rule.
> (One reason why there are such things as Dark elves.) In each of the demi-human
> races you will have those that go against the norm and go power-crazy. You
> can't simply say that because a race is a certain way that all members of that
> race will not adventure long enough to get to the levels I described. And,
> those would be the people who really ran the show around them. 

	IF the races are balanced, the adventurers will generally all live
about as long, regardless of race, unless they retire. IF the races are
balanced, an elvish mage is no more likely to reach 20th level than a human
mage is. Now, if they retire *after* reaching 20th level, the elf will of
course still be around in a couple of centuries. But he still isn't of a level
that a human can't get to with 10-15 years of hard work.

	But, the races are NOT balanced.

Brandon Cope

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