HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: Leaning into it
Reply-To: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 15:03:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.164323.24212@walter.cray.com>, kjberte@cray.com
(Kurt Bertelsen) writes:
|> 
|> >In article 22360@porthos.cc.bellcore.com, fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM
|> (Richard Pierson) writes:
|> >
|> >>Doesn't everybody learn from a dirt bike first...
|> >
|> 
|> No. I learned on my ex-bosses Goldwing.
|> 
|> ---
|>
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|> Kurt Bertelsen              I am Connor MacLeod of the Clan MacLeod.

  JEEZE..That kinds like getting your private pilots license
  with a 747 isn't it ??

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From: ggrevera@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (George Grevera)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Hydraulic Press Needed to Remove Fork Seal?!?
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:39:51 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hi.  I have to change the fork seals in my '81 Honda CB650.  The Clymer book
says that, "Disassembly of this model's (i.e. models since 1981) front fork
should be entrusted to a Honda dealer.  In order to disassemble the fork the
oil seal in the slider must be removed with special Honda tools and a hydraulic
press."

I called the dealer and he said that he never heard of any bike requiring this
but then again, he didn't let me talk to a mechanic.  Does anyone know if this
is true or extremely difficult or requires special tools?  Thanks.

George
ggrevera@gradient.cis.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer)
Subject: Re: 105 MPH (was Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist on Skyline Blvd.)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:44:01 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: HP Design Technology Center, Santa Clara, CA

In article <1992Oct12.223052.22825@microunity.com> ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray) writes:
>And of course one must apply the "Alices' four-second Rule"* when bragging
>about Sears lap times- take your best time, and subtract four seconds
>and brag to the crowd at Alice's that that's what you "usually do".

  Seriously?  Sheesh, it's been a loooonng time since I've been to Alice's
on anything but my bicycle.  When I used to go up there, not to many people
knew Sears even existed.  "AFM??  Didn't they used to own Harley?"

  I believe it, though.  

  Actually, it seems you could eliminate the bullshit by grabbing a copy
of Citybike from the stand next to Alices and see where the bragger finished
in their last race.  
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: I won? (NOT!)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:28:39 GMT

In <1992Oct7.000215.3424@news.columbia.edu> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) writes:

>In article <viking.718343559@vincent1.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:

>>Amazing what you do when a national background check is about to be
>>done on you, isn't it?  Until now, I didn't even care.

>	What prompts the background check? Should I wonder about some tickets
>I never told my insurance company about?

	First, I went through the background check to get a handgun
purchase permit.  Yeah, I know all the arguments for the right to keep and
bear arms, but I went through it anyway.  I just wanted to buy another
.45 to keep my Ruger Old Army company when the woman and I went out
shooting.  Second, if your insurance company finds out about something
you didn't report, they will accept it and jack your rates.  Two stories:

	1) I grew up on a farm.  This involves heavy equipment.  One poor
day, my father borrowed his brothers pickup and trailer to drive five
cows to the stockyards.  Coming off the highway, he finds an idiot
stopped at the end, evidently trying to decide if the flashing red light
means to stop until it quits flashing or perhaps hyptnotized by the
regular pulsations of said light.  He stays there.  My father, in a
truck with several thousand pounds of swinging beef behind him, hits
his bumper.  "tink"  Total damage was less then the deductable.  The
inssurance information was exchanged, Dad promises to pay for the
damages, etc...  Everybody leaves happy.

	An entirely different insurance company takes this opportunity
to remove coverage on the stock truck!  First, no claim was ever filed.
Second, the stock truck was never involved in any way with any insurance
claim for over twenty years!  Third, the insurance company got word of
an accident that the police didn't know about!  Screw 'em.  We went
with a different company and lived happily ever after.

	2) A friend's father related this.  He sold insurance for
Company X for twenty years.  He has three sons, all of whom were in
accidents within one year.  His coverage was dropped by Company X,
even though none of the three accidents were determined to be the
fault of any of his sons!  This is his policy, BTW, which covered
the car, not the drivers.  He's still accident-free after 30 years,
and because his sons had the misfortune to be hit by DWI and one
under-age driver he gets his insurance dropped.

	Just so you know, insurance is a scam where you pay to
be victimized.  If you have none of my previous rantings on the
subject, ask me for an accident report.

<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"I see angels on Ariels in leather and>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | chrome, Swooping down from heaven to >
<viking@iastate.edu      | carry me home."   ---    R. Thompson >
<ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee.>
From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harley Fashionable == Deaths
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:36:22 GMT
	<Stafford-081092081314@stafford.winona.msus.edu>
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Distribution: usa
Organization: Chemistry Dept., Harvard University
In-reply-to: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU's message of 8 Oct 92 14:15:19 GMT

>>>>> On 8 Oct 92 14:15:19 GMT, Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU said:
>>>>> davet@loowit.wr.tek.com wrote:

Dave>   The Hurt study found no significant difference in incidence of death
Dave> or injury due to brand, type, or style of motorcycle.

John> That was then and this is now, where 0-60 in < 3.5 seconds is universal
John> for super plastic bikes.

Anyone can get in over their heads on the street on ANY motorcycle
manufactured regardless of the braking or acceleration ability of the
hardware.  I don't care if it is able to leap tall buildings in a
single bound...  most accidents result from inadequate mental or
physical skill.  Any motorcycle has the potential to get you in
trouble if you don't respect YOUR limits.
--
Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu>         MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18
Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.  "It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want to..."
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harley Outperforms ZX11, Film at Eleve
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:18:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: megatek.1992Oct16.161824.4029
Reply-To: randy@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California

In article <1bmng9INN6te@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
|there aren't tapping the performance of their bikes, anyway.  The only
|reason to squeeze 5 more hp out of the engine, or shave 0.1 seconds off
|some lap time is for the magazines.

  I thought it was to lend credibility to bench racing... :-)

|Besides, it will be years before the economies of scale allow a
|start-up to compete with the Japanese on cost, and it may not even be
|necessary.  Harley has no trouble selling bikes at twice the cost of
|imports.  The domestic market will probably bear a higher price for an
|American-made sportsbike than for an import.

  The domestic market is already bearing a higher price for an American
sportbike, ala Buell.  Of course, not everyone will pay double for
an American sportbike unless it can compete on a performance level (most
people's definition, I think its safe to say, Chuck, including this engineer)
with its competition.  And to pick a nit - at least one sportbike is "made"
in the US, at least as far as major assembly is concerned - the ZX-11.

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy
From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harley Outperforms ZX11, Film at Eleven
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:21:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Oct14.222127.16402
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <1992Oct14.175536.23624@rtsg.mot.com> 
svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:

>In article <1992Oct13.020852.7884@tcsi.com> 
>markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer) writes:

MK:
>|I don't get it.  If you don't like the bikes Harley builds why would
>|you want to be in the "Harley club"?

DS:
>Maybe because we would like to have the reliablity, aftermarket, resale
>value, lifespan, and chiefly American origins.  That particular combination
>is unique to Harley, and certainly attractive to me.  But I can't stomach 
>paying that sort of money for a bike that handles below my requirements, 
>and is uncomfortable for me to ride.  That's certainly why *I* would like 
>Harley to build sport bikes.  Do you understand now?

Thank you, Dave.

>Dave Svoboda (rubis@gagme.chi.il.us)        | "I just can't take
>90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  this weird shit
>84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  before breakfast!"
>AMA 583905      DoD #0330    COG 939        |   -- Evo Woman

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
is proud to announce the adoption of a 1986 1000 LeMans
does anyone have a spare 18" front wheel?
"Un de mes plus grands plaisirs est de jurer Dieu quand je bande."
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: To Mid-Atlantic Run Respondents
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:48:44 GMT

In article <Bw6n0v.Ky8@unix.amherst.edu> nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (NATHANIEL ROBERT MENDELL) writes:
>
>Hello everyone --
>
>My name is Nathaniel Mendell and I am currently writing a thesis on my/our
>favorite subject: motorcycling.  I want to create a fair and comprehensive
>definition of our sport and contrast it to the stereotypical image of
>bikers.

That's fine, but part of the stereotype is that motorcycling is
strictly a sport.  For many of us, the term "sport" doesn't apply.
For a few of us, a motorcycle is the sole form of motorized transport.
Calling motorcycling a sport just makes it that much easier for
someone else to justify eliminating it as unnecessary.
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
From: root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Dont shoot until you see...
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:16:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: elektro.1992Oct13.221622.7245
Distribution: usa
Organization: Why do you suspect that?

In article <1992Oct13.133953.1618@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mikeh@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (michael p.herlihy) writes:
>In article <BD.92Oct12132918@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
>>john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton) writes:
>>
>>>I have many times read reports of shootings where a police officer put a clip
>>>of 9mm into a drug-user and eventually said perpetrator bled to death, but
>>>not before beating shit out of police officer.
>>
>>Does this belong in alt.folklore.urban?  I don't believe anyone,
>>PCP or not, beats the shit out of a cop after taking a *clip* of
>>9mm (maybe, if the clip only had 1 bullet in it).
>
>I had a friend who was in the Israeli army during the Yom Kippur war.
>He told me a story about when his unit was ambushed.  After they took 
>cover in a wadi they were charged by the enemy.
>
>This one guy was shot 4 to 5 times and kept on coming.  Finally,
>he took this guy out with a head shot.  I guess people are
>reluctant to shot someone in the head. (I know I would be).

You would kill him, but not shoot him in the head ??  Only problem I
can see is that *usually* the head is a smaller target.


Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  csmith@dsac.dla.mil  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers 411, BK Ohio V
BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff
            {  Friends don't let friends shoot 9mm's  }
From: pdsmith@bbn.com (Peter D. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: DooD (was Re: 105 MPH (was Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist on Skyline Blvd.)
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:57:49 GMT
Reply-To: pdsmith@spca.bbn.com (Peter D. Smith)
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In article <BvvKs4.2Gz@spdg.com> rwaters@spdg.com (Rolland Waters) writes:
>You forgot "Denyers of Data"!  You stoopid piece of incompetent,
	        ^
		hmmpph.

DoD stands for "People Who Can't Spell (or Count)"


				Peter D. Smith

DoD #6260 "Mom"
From: smennitt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stuart Mennitt)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: close call! & a question
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:01:01 GMT
Reply-To: smennitt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stuart Mennitt)
Distribution: usa
Organization: NavSurfWarCen, CarderockDiv (ex-"Taylor Model Basin")

In rec.motorcycles, root@june.cmp.rpi.edu (J.R. Ordon) writes:

>I stopped, but her rear bumper hit the tip of my front tire, the handlebars
>went full lock right. I didn't dump it, and I gave the bike a close look-over
>and nothing seemed dented or bent. I took the bike out for a test drive , I was
>in the city now and didn't get over 40 mph, the bike drove fine, but now the
>handlebars seem slightly out of alignment . When going straight, the bars are
>turned slightly to the left. Is this something that can be easily repaired,
>or is something major, like getting a new set of forks?

    The easiest repair would be to have a friend drive into the front
wheel from the *left* side under other wise similar circumstances.
    I sounds like the forks just got twisted slightly in the triple
clamps.  Assuming the forks, wheel, axle, etc are not bent, this is
a simple fix.  Start by putting the bike on a center stand and loosening the
axle.  Then loosen any fork brace and lower triple clamp.  Slightly
loosen the upper triple clamp, enough to support the forks but allow
them to twist if need.
    The test (which should be performed before anything else, BTW):
The forks should be parallel.  This can be checked best by putting a
known flat surface on the male portion of the forks.  If the forks are
twisted, the surface won't lie flat on the tubes.  This can also be
eye-balled, but the shine on the tubes makes it tough.
    Twist the handlebars relative to the wheel until the forks are parallel.
Tighten the upper triple clamps and check again.  Tighten the lower
triple clamps and check again.  Remove bike from stand, bounce front
end several times, hold wheel straight ahead, and tighten axle.  Replace
fork brace if applicable.  Make a final check.
--____________________________________________________
]    Stu Mennitt     smennitt@oasys.dt.navy.mil       [
]     David Taylor Research Center, Bethesda, MD      [
]       (But, of course, I live in Virginia)          [
]        ** My DOD is bigger than your DoD **         [
]    '82 XV920 Virago             AMA #_3_2_2         [
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From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: ok, who's pretending to be STUPID... (
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:57:02 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 607@elektro.cmhnet.org, root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) writes:
>>
>>The main drawback of the increased popularity of motorcycling is that
>>rec.motorcycles SNR is increasing  :^) at an exponential rate.
>                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Bzzzzztt!!  Ed:  do you *really* mean more signal and less noise ???
>                 The world wonders.

See my reply to Ravi's post where he mistakenly used that term.  This
was a reference to that.

People, we cannot hope to catch all the subtle references in this group
if we don't ALL read EVERY post.  You must all empty your kill files
immediately.

BTW - 
> Followup-To: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.com

My newsreader can't find that group.  Did I miss the CFV?

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: <None>
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Date: 16 Oct 1992 06:22:25 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62003.student.cwru.edu

In article <1992Oct15.170607.683@halfdome.sf.ca.us>, bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us
(bob pasker) wrote:
> 
> [v pnaabg erzrzore n ebg13 guernq ba e.z. qbrf nalbar ryfr erzrzore
> bar?]
> 
Abcr, vs sbe ab bgure ernfba guna gung jbhyq cynpr n erfgevpgvba ba
gur ahzore bs crbcyr jr'q or noyr gb bssraq. :-)\

| Dean Cookson / dbc@po.cwru.edu / 216 754-1834 | DoD #207  AMA #573534|
| Case Western Reserve U. Computer E. and Sci.  | KotNML  /  KotB      |
| "You can lead the house to order, but you     | '81 CB750C           |
| can't make it think"  -William Weld (Gov. Ma.)| '88 Bianchi Limited  |
Organization: CUNY/UCC VM Systems
Date: Wednesday, 30 Sep 1992 13:30:14 EDT
From: Robert Chambers <RMCCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Repost for info on bike
Distribution: na

Look for the manufacturers tag on the frame where the steering "column"
goes through it.  you will usually find both model name and year of
manufacture for the bike.

$1100 sounds way too much for a bike that small and old.  If you find out
what exactly the bike is, try to find the blue book value for it and
haggle from there.

For $1100 you should be able to buy quite a bit of bike.

Robert
DoD191
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: Harley Sportbikes
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:04:39

"egreen" == Ed Green <egreen@east.sun.com> writes:

egreen> In article 92Oct15140744@porky.sono.uucp, mayer@sono.uucp (Ron Mayer) writes:
>  HD should build yuppie swimwear?
egreen> They don't.

They do, however, produce huge amounts of other yuppie-style stuff,
including HD undies, HD piggie banks, etc etc.  I've yet to go into an
"official" HD dealer that didn't have more floor space for
HD-emblazoned goodies than they did for bikes.  Compare that to the
place I bought my Nighthawk, which had an accessories dept that
covered about 400 square feet of floor and almost 50 bikes on the rest
of the floor.

I think HD could manage to find some folks to build a sportbike *for*
them, and market the damn bike.  How about Britten down in New
Zealand?  Think he could be "talked into" building a HD-powered,
no-frame, carbon-fiber monster-bike?  I think so...

egreen> In a situation where
egreen> it will alienate and offend your loyal customer base, it is
egreen> idiotic.

So all those harley-gnarlys who go to the San Jose mile, etc etc,
don't care about performance bikes?  What about the XLCR's resale
value?  Buell's market?  There are obviously lots of folks who want a
HD-powered (or any american-manu powered) sportbike.

egreen> Of my rhetorical questions above, Sun building mainframes is
egreen> the most analagous in this respect.  Sun has been "preaching"
egreen> client-server computing and open systems for 10 years.  For
egreen> them to build a mainframe with a proprietary operating system
egreen> (which they certainly *could* do) would be idiotic.

Mainframes a d-e-a-d dead.  Sportbikes aren't.  I think HD-cruisers
are more like mainframes -- the only thing keeping them alive is a
small number of *WELL*funded people who refuse to buy new technology
because they like how comfy they've gotten in their old, outdated,
"colorful" equipment.  I feel a comparison between harley-gnarleys
and MVS hackers coming on strong...




--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
                              '92 R100R, DoD# 0378
"I love the iPSC/860.
The iPSC/860 is my friend." (repeat until your code runs...)
From: tcora@PICA.ARMY.MIL (Tom Coradeschi <tcora>)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: How to break-in new rings?
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:57:19 GMT
Organization: Electric Armts Div, US Army ARDEC, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ

shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
>In article <BvoFBK.Lv2@news.dtc.hp.com>, jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer) writes:
>> Scott said:
>> > One method I've heard of is to drive at around 3-4000rpm in top
>> >gear, and then apply maximum throttle.  Do this a few times to properly
>> >load the rings, and get a good seal.
>> 
>>   This is almost universally considered the correct way to break 'em in.
>
>Perhaps for rice.  3000-4000 rpm means 70-93 mph on my bike.  My mechanic 
>suggested keeping the rpm below 2500-3000 for the first 300-500 miles after 
>a ring change.

A "ring change"? Sounds like an "oil change". Is this something you do
regularly, Seth?

:-}
-- 
 
                tom coradeschi    <+>    tcora@pica.army.mil
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: MSF Sticker = bisexual?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:21:52 GMT

In article <1bhchtINNs4c@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>I caught this little tidbit in talk.politics.misc (looking for Perot's
>book, which appears to have been posted there in its entirity):
>
>Newsgroups: talk.bizarre,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.homosexuality
>] 
>] Which reminds me, for all the gay men out there: the Navy Base Moffett
>] Field mandatory motorcycle safety course attendance sticker on my ID
>] card shows a motorcyclist in a surround of one of those cute little
>] upside down triangles that have become all the rage in .siggies here on
>] Usenet.  I think its outrageous that the same Navy that bans gays from
>] service turns around with subtle subliminal ads for the non-heterosexual
>] lifestyle. 

The triangular emblem on MSF card is a different color and a different
shape from the "gay" pink triangle.  I wonder what Moffett's look like.  

The reflective MSF decal I got is a square rather than a triangle.  I looked
for a pink reflective triangle last time I was at Road Racer, but they were
all sold out. 


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