HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: badbunny@tfsp.saic.com (Brendan Hoar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Added PT3 flow control functionality
Date: 25 Dec 1992 20:00:15 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Hello world!

If you are using PT3, a hardware handshaking modem & cable a PT3 port driver
that supports hardware handshaking and a PT3 modem driver that ends with
(RTS/CTS), this may be useful to you.  Otherwise, skip this message.

What this does is create two small routines that PT3 can install in memory and
use to call its own port drivers in order to change the status of flow control.
The macros which call these use an undocumented command called 'OVERLAY'.  This
is also how PT3.CONVERT is implemented (check out PT3.GLOBAL to verify this).

Why would you ever need to change the status of flow control?  Well, if you
quit PT3 and then return to it later without dropping your connection, PT3 will
default to flow control off.  Previous to this, the only way to rectify the
situation was to hang up and redial.  The same thing happens if you used the
PT3 Installer while you are on-line.

As usual, many thanks to Greg Schaefer for providing me with this workaround.



*** REMEMBER TO CHANGE THE TEXT STRINGS TO MATCH THE CORRECT PATH!!!

---- Add the lines below to the start of your PT3.GLOBAL file ----
*
   Additions to PT3 Global Macros here
*

@@h
  OVerlay "/h1/pt3/enable.flow"
  NOte "If CTS was high, hardware flow control is now enabled."
ex

@@j
  OVerlay "/h1/pt3/disable.flow"
  NOte "Hardware flow control disabled."
ex
---- snip ----
Then take the lines below starting with MTR and put them in a separate text
file in your PT3 directory.  Then EXEC that text file from BASIC.

MTR
2000:a9 03 4c 05 08
bsave enable.flow,a$2000,l$10
2000:a9 04 4c 05 08
bsave disable.flow,a$2000,l$10
3d0g
Xref: sparky comp.sys.apple2:26204 comp.sys.apple2.gno:747
From: toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2,comp.sys.apple2.gno
Subject: Re: Switch-It! Press Release
Date: 1 Jan 1993 07:17:41 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar) writes:

>     Switch-It!, an extension to Apple Computer, Inc.'s GS/OS, that
>     brings Macintosh MultiFinder style capabilities to the Apple
>     IIGS.  Switch-It! allows the user to load any number of desktop
>     programs (limited only by main memory) and switch between them
>     instantly.  The addition of this important new ability makes the
>     Apple IIGS computer one of the most versatile and cost effective
>     personal computers on the market today.
>...     
>     Switch-It! is closely integrated with System Software 6.0 via
>     its Inter-Application Communication features, turning the plain
>     IIGS Finder into a MultiFinder.

Isn't this just a BIT optimistic?? You compare it to MultiFinder but don't
state that co-op multitasking isn't included. Unless you've actually got
that working, I would have to say that you're misrepresenting your product
in a big way, and that's not going to help you at all.

Todd Whitesel
toddpw @ cco.caltech.edu
From: vandry@CAM.ORG (Phillip Vandry)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Patching the menu manager
Date: 23 Dec 92 03:20:24 GMT
Organization: Champlain Regional College, St-Lambert QC CANADA

nagendra@csa.bu.edu (nagendra mishr) writes:

>What's wrong with option 1?  Just do a hide-cursor so that your cursor
>is not visible.  Move it around all you want...  select things.  ShowCursor

>Besides, I think that having the cursor visible may cause problems
>with the menu code: (I think it's safe to assume that the menu manager
>is assuming that the cursor will be what is causing the picking to
>happen and so it check's it location)

>ex:
>	Assume you're navigating with the arrow keys and the mouse
>cursor is visible:

>	let's say right under the menu, the menu somehow opens, the
>cursor moves (accidently) --> takes a snapshot of screen under cursor,
>the menu is closed, the cursormoves again --> the old snapshot is
>placed on the screen ...  You're gonna have a ghost image of the menu
>left on the desktop.  Sort of like how Showpic screws up the screen
>while it is decoding pictures.

Well, I don't think that would happen. QuickDraw II is smart enough not to
smear up the screen with the cursor if QD calls are used to draw and erase the
menu.

But, elaborating on your suggestion, I would need to know a few things first.
I read up on how the event manager treats custom pointing devices, and it is
indeed very well done.

But I also noticed that, when using a custom pointing device, you never
actually tell the event manager "Okay, I'm using my custom routine now" and
"Okay, I'm disabling my deivce. Put the mouse back in".

There must be a way so that the event manager knows when to abandon the mouse
in favor of the alternate device.... Unless they are both active at the same
time, which would be very chaotic.

And do the mouse routines in the Misc Tool set automatically use whatever
custom pointing device the event manager is using? If not I'm not sure this
would work for custom menus.

Of course rewriting MenuKey and calling the DefProcs myself would be the best
solution, but I guess it seems pretty impossible.

Finally, assuming I get this thing working, what do you think would be the best
way to handle conflicts (eg OA-S for Save and OA-S to open "Special" menu).
Use the option key instead? Control?

*Phew*
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>******* better yet  ********************

>make a new device driver which responds to key events, and fakes the
>mouse around the screen whenever you hit option or command or
>whatever.

>****************


>Nagendra

>Nagendra@csa.bu.edu
From: dsdd@okcforum.osrhe.uoknor.edu (Roy Barrett)
Subject: Re: WANTED:  Your original 65816
Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:11:52 GMT

John D. Baker (jdb8042@blkbox) wrote:
: I'm looking to acquire 1 (maybe 2) 65816's for use in my
: //e in place of the 65C02 since I've received reports that
: this switch is possible.  (If I can get more than one, I'll
: try the other in my Franklin ACE 1000).

The 65816 is not pin-compatible with the 65c02 in any way, shape, or form,
the GS 65816 has more pins, and the WDC 65816, which is in ZipGS/TWGS doesn't
come close to the IIe 65c02 socket. I have a 65816-14 that is about the size
of my thumbnail in front of my face right now.

: Failing that, I've seen Digi-Key mentioned as a source for
: 65802's and 65816's.  I take it that this is a special-order
: item as I see no mention of it in their catalog.  (Yes, I 
: know they're expensive, but I want block memory moves for
: my device drivers (CardZ180 command processor)

DigiKey doesn't have them, I don't think, try WDC, 1-602-962-4545

: 
: Thanks in advance.
: 
: 
: John D. Baker  ->An Apple CardZ180 Z-System nut//
: Internet:  jdb8042@blkbox.com            jdbaker@taronga.com
: UUCP:      nuchat!blkbox!jdb8042         ...!taronga!jdbaker
: BBSs:  JOHN BAKER on Z-Node #45 [(713) 937-8886],
: The Vector Board [(716) 544-1863], PIC of the Mid-Town [(713) 527-8939]
: Karnage: "I am certainly very happy for you, but--WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!"
:
From: jimmys@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Jimmy Shaw)
Subject: Shell Utilities
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.gno
Reply-To: jimmys@ics.uci.edu (Jimmy Shaw)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 1 Jan 93 13:01:20 GMT

I was wondering if there anyy shell programs (EXE)that will play
sounds files (Raw, ACEd, rSounds, etc) and display pictures
(APF, 3200, etc.)  I've checked the usually places like cco,
wuarchive, etc., and didn't find any.

Thanks in advance.

Jimmy
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From: mdavis@pro-sol.cts.com (Morgan Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.gno
Subject: Re: Why csh? (Re: unshar needed & sh dis...)
Date: 26 Dec 92 21:53:47 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-sol], Rancho San Diego, CA

In <bazyar.725291516@teal> bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar) writes:

>bird@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (j.l.walters) writes:
>
>>Don't know if it applies, however, it really galls me under ORCA
>>to not be able to type: emacs fi f2 f3, ... and not be able to
>>type ^XN to access the next file f2, etc.
>
>  I suspect that's a problem with the IIgs port of emacs.  

Actually, you CAN type:

        emacs f1 f2 ... fn

in ORCA.  And you can access each file by using ^XX, not ^XN.

>It could also be that the functionality is there but has a different
>key mapping.

That's exactly the case.  If you're used to GNU EMACS or Jove, you'll find
MicroEMACS bindings to be different.  It is worth reading the manual, or at
the least just doing a describe-bindings (or whatever the function name is).

 /\/\  Morgan Davis Group (619/670-0563)
/ /__\  Internet: mdavis@pro-sol.cts.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.gno
From: goo@cwis.unomaha.edu (Kent Radek)
Subject: Re: IIGS Server
Keywords: gno, server
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:25:59 GMT

vandry@CAM.ORG (Phillip Vandry) writes:

>I wrote a program that lets you do remote access by modem, fully automated.
>It would also work with a null modem cable (you would have to type ten
>initializing keystrokes from the IIe so the program think you are a modem)
[...]
>There are limitations (anybody can call and format your hard disk all they
>like, so it's not good to actually OPEN your computer :).

>If you want it, I can put it on cba2

How hard would it be to add a password request?  Post it!  :-)

goo
From: vandry@CAM.ORG (Phillip Vandry)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.gno
Subject: Re: IIGS Server
Keywords: gno, server
Date: 30 Dec 92 18:50:48 GMT
Organization: Champlain Regional College, St-Lambert QC CANADA

goo@cwis.unomaha.edu (Kent Radek) writes:

>vandry@CAM.ORG (Phillip Vandry) writes:

>>I wrote a program that lets you do remote access by modem, fully automated.
>>If you want it, I can put it on cba2

>How hard would it be to add a password request?  Post it!  :-)

>goo

All right. The UNIX system here is currently in ruins so it will have to wait
until rz is working again (probably a day or two). I'll post it then. Right
now I'm lucky the news system is working (sort of...)

BTW, Jawaid, you said you would upload MuGS, rz, and updates to the serial
drivers to pinny (as you call it :). I found only MuGS.
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From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Subject: Re: TelCOM ftp site
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 06:42:45 GMT

zane@ddsw1.mcs.com (Sameer Parekh) writes:

>	I looked in /pub/apple2/gno in pindarus.cs.uiuc.edu and I couldn't
>find MuGS or telcom. Is it somewhere else? Thanks. (I saw sz there, but no
>rz-- is that available somewhere?)

  I just placed MuGS (MuGS1.00.shk) and telcom (telcom.bsq) into the
/pub/apple2/gno directory on pinny.  I will be uploading rz, along with
updates to the GNO serial drivers, to pinny sometime tonight.

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From: fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.gno
Subject: Re: unshar needed & sh discussion (was Re: cc ... & dmake)
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:55:57 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <bazyar.725048507@teal> bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar) writes:
>  If anyone can find the sh-less unshar, I'd be happy to port it.

I ported it a while back, and updated it recently to handle some other
stuff (like illegal file names).

I'll post it sometime.

> Jawaid Bazyar              |   Ask me about the GNO Multitasking Environment

-- 
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[ Above opinions are mine, Amdahl has nothing to do with them, etc, etc. ]
From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.gno
Subject: Re: On the subject of SwitchIt..
Date: 29 Dec 92 14:53:23 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.

dsdd@okcforum.osrhe.uoknor.edu (Roy Barrett) writes:

>My news server is really messed at the moment, and I can't get to csa2, so
>since all this SI! talk has been going around, what does SoftSwitch do? It
>multitasks P8 programs? I tried it once, and it looked okay, but I couldn't
>get it working.. 

  SoftSwitch switches between P8 programs on a IIgs.  It's pretty limited
but does what it does fairly well.

>Couldn't you create a "Compatiblity" Aux type for some SI programs and have
>programs in seperate windows? if it writes to the screen, it's incompatible,
>but those "Mac-like" programs that follow all of the "Hell Laws" (aka the
>Apple Human Interface Guidelines) will be able to run in seperate windows..

  There are several (many) other problems, which are all listed in 
the Switch-It! DEMO documentation.

>Jawaid, I thought you said that the SI! Icon was like the Mac Multifinder..
>It SURE doesn't look like one to me.. ;)

  When did I say that?

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From: jeremy@hal.isc.toronto.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Tentative date on 1.1?
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 14:00:38 GMT
Organization: IBM Canada RS/6000 Support Center

In article <1992Dec23.232754.26136@slab.slip.uiuc.edu> derek@slab.slip.uiuc.edu (Derek Taubert) writes:
> Jawaid and I are pretty sure that once the socket support it completed, we
> should be able to take most of the TCP utils and simply compile them.  :-)
> This includes ftp, telnet, smtp, nntp, whatever (yes, even an NFS server).
> When info on the FST's become available, I hope to do an NFS FST so that the
> IIgs can also be a NFS client.

This would be very nice!!  What about something like pcnfs (or pcnfsd I guess
it would be on the //GS).  This looks like a _very_ ambitious project so I
understand some of the time limitations but I am curious about whether this
could be done also.

You know being set up as an NFS client, I could steal some of the .5GB drive 
that the 386 running OS/2 beside me has.  Now that would be a good use!

Jeremy Rand
RS/6000 Support
From: huang1@husc11.harvard.edu (Howard Huang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.gno
Subject: Re: Why shouldn't you use csh?
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:38:34 GMT
Organization: Harvard Arts and Sciences Computer Services, Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: bazyar@teal.csn.org's message of Wed, 30 Dec 1992 08:19:10 GMT

bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar) writes:

   >(PS: Another thing to try, find a Sun workstation and do a man on csh.  The
   >     man page TELLS you you shouldn't actually try to use csh for writing
   >     scripts... What's the point?)

     Where?  Could you quote the relevant text?  The csh manpage is _large_ :)

The last paragraph of my manpage doesn't quite say that, but does say:

     Although robust enough for general use, adventures into  the
     esoteric  periphery  of  the  C  shell may reveal unexpected
     quirks.

Hm.

 
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From: taob@r-node.gts.org (Brian Tao)
Subject: Re: cc ...
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX Information System (416-249-5366)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:09:30 GMT

    Soenke, I tried out your new 'cc' on the agrep (approximate grep) source
files I downloaded from comp.sources.unix.  Just as an exercise, I unpacked
all the files and then did 'cc -O -v *.c'.  To my surprise, all the source
files (about a dozen of them) compiled without a single error under GNO/
ORCA 1.2, but that's it.  Nothing was linked so I didn't get an 'agrep'
executable.  I tried 'cc *.o' afterwards (which started to link them),
but it gave an error about a code segment being larger than a bank.  It
gave me a 1.2-meg (!) binary anyway.  I can run it, but nothing happens 
(doesn't crash the machine either).  I should also point out the resulting
binary is very sparse (only takes up about 80K or so of disk space).

    Is there some flag I should be setting?  Or maybe just get a newer version
of ORCA?  :)
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From: daveh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dave Huang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.gno
Subject: Re: TelCOM ftp site
Date: 28 Dec 1992 20:35:38 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: daisy.cc.utexas.edu

In article <bazyar.725524965@teal> bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar) writes:
>/pub/apple2/gno directory on pinny.  I will be uploading rz, along with
>updates to the GNO serial drivers, to pinny sometime tonight.

Cool, so you got rz working? And I just re-ported it last week :-) The
one I've got can't keep up with 19.2Kbaud and seems to have occasional
problems at 9600 though...
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From: vagrant@vpnet.chi.il.us (Guy Umbright)
Subject: Re: Moria port for the GS
Organization: Vpnet - Free Usenet access
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 04:03:34 GMT

Jimmy Shaw (jimmys@bonnie.ics.uci.edu) wrote:
: I was wondering if anyone is currently working on porting the moria
: to the GS.  Not the old version by Jason Harper (I think he was the
: one,) but a new port from the newest version (5.xx?)

: With the promise of Orca/C 2.0 and gno 1.1, this monsterous task
: is perhaps finally possible... (Well, I am hopeful :-)

: Jimmy

Yes,  I am working on the port!   It is running (mostly) but I have
some bugs to work out yet.  I cant seem to get enough time to work on it
though...
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From: Tom Christiansen <tchrist@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: Shells
Originator: tchrist@pixel.convex.com
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 02:36:53 GMT
Reply-To: tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen)
Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Colorado Springs, CO
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

From the keyboard of bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar):
:>That's named pipes as UNIX implements them, isn't it?
:>Well, most of that stuff is a wish list anyway.
:
:  The socket interface is probably equivalent in functionality; I've
:considered named pipes, but sockets are much more flexible and
:named pipes aren't used anymore, really.

"named pipes aren't used anymore"?  i don't think that's accurate.

--tom
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What a terrible thing to have lost one's mind.  Or not to have a mind
at all.  How true that is.  --Dan Quayle
From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.gno
Subject: Re: cc ...
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:14:11 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.

taob@r-node.gts.org (Brian Tao) writes:

>    Soenke, I tried out your new 'cc' on the agrep (approximate grep) source
>files I downloaded from comp.sources.unix.  Just as an exercise, I unpacked
>all the files and then did 'cc -O -v *.c'.  To my surprise, all the source
>files (about a dozen of them) compiled without a single error under GNO/
>ORCA 1.2, but that's it.  Nothing was linked so I didn't get an 'agrep'
>executable.  I tried 'cc *.o' afterwards (which started to link them),
>but it gave an error about a code segment being larger than a bank.  It
>gave me a 1.2-meg (!) binary anyway.  I can run it, but nothing happens 
>(doesn't crash the machine either).  I should also point out the resulting
>binary is very sparse (only takes up about 80K or so of disk space).

  It sounds like there is a very large global array (hash table?) in
the agrep source- that's what usually creates sparse executables.
In that case, you'll need to use ORCA's large memory model.

>    Is there some flag I should be setting?  Or maybe just get a newer version
>of ORCA?  :)

  Well, you definitely should get ORCA/C 2.0 when it comes out; C 1.2
had some nasty problems.

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From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Subject: Re: Why csh? (Re: unshar needed & sh dis...)
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 13:51:56 GMT

bird@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (j.l.walters) writes:

[oops!]
>BSD was very much in advance of AT&T Unix, however, with the advent
>of ksh, this IMO is not at all true now.

  I guess I missed a csh debate or two in school :)  I'm very interested
in examples of why csh might not be reasonable to base GNO's gsh script
language on.

>As a person that is PANTING to come up with the money to buy GNO,
>and will in the near future, I really will expect ksh like things
>when I do spring for the price. Please let me know if ksh is NOT
>going to be part of the GNO future so I can start beating my head
>against the wall now.

  Heh :)  It depends on what you mean by 'ksh like things'.  gsh
is a very extended csh (i.e., tcsh) but currently does not have
a script language.  I've finished the next GNO version's gsh parsing
subsystem and implemented 'foreach', and if y'all can convince me
that csh is brain damaged in some way, I'm all ears.
  BTW, Albert Chin is working on a graphical ksh shell that mimics
the NeXT environment.  What I've seen so far is very encouraging.

>Don't know if it applies, however, it really galls me under ORCA
>to not be able to type: emacs fi f2 f3, ... and not be able to
>type ^XN to access the next file f2, etc.

  I suspect that's a problem with the IIgs port of emacs.  
It could also be that the functionality is there but has a different
key mapping.  Morgan Davis (IIgs uEmacs guru) can assuredly answer
this better than I can.

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