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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Psychedelic effects of Flenfluramine
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:29:36 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Nov13.203342.28823@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahead@nyx.cs.du.edu (Adam Head) writes:
>According to Meyler's Side Effects of Drugs (10th ed 1984) in addition
>to Flenfluramine's (Ponderal, Ponderax) well known side effects of
>sedation and sleepiness the drugs is reported to have been abused
>leading to 'euphoria, de-personalization and perceptual changes'
>following the ingestion of up to 400mg.  Three from eight subjects
>receiving 240mg reported 'psychedelic states'.  Hopefully those
>reporting these effects could tell the difference between
>toxic psychotic states following amphetamine overdose and LSD-type effects.

It's spelled "fenfluramine".  This abuse was rather widespread in
South Africa, where the drug had been available over the counter.
This is why (unfortunately) the drug is now a controlled substance.

>This form of the drug is a mixture of S and L isomers.  Nichol's 
>rats have suggested the S isomer to have MDMA-like effects as well
>as similar neurotoxicity (not proved to be harmful to humans).

I can never keep the dextro/levo and R/S, D/L matter straight in my head.
Dexfenfluramine, the dextro isomer, is being tested alone as an appetite
suppressant.  Apparently, the serotonergic actions (at least on appetite)
are almost solely associated with the dextro isomer.

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: LILMARA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Martin Lilly)
Subject: Re: freezing mushrooms in liquid nitrogen
Organization: Yale University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 09:25:46 EST

In article <1992Nov18.091609.5076@cs.uow.edu.au>
u8802411@cs.uow.edu.au (Malcolm James St Clair) writes:
 
>
>	It's about that time of year so I was
>wondering if anybody has had experience preserving
>mushrooms.
>	I have only ever heard that they must be
>consumed fresh (AFOAF has had dried ones but they
>weren't all that good)
>	So i was thinking maybe its the process of
>freezing that destroys the goodies. If so then maybe
>fresh mushrooms could be dropped into a thermosflask
>of liquid nitrogen, and then placed into a regular
>freezer.
>	Has anybody tried this ?
>By the way does anybody know the pressure and
>temperature that foodstuffs are freeze dried at ?
>
Don't freeze moist mushrooms- you will be sorely disappointed by the slimy,
black goo that results. The main enemies of psilocybin are light and oxygen.
Drying at low temps (<150 degrees F) until the shrooms are hard crackers will
not affect potency adversely; these can then be stored in single dosage
seal-a-meal aliquots in the freezer for at least a year.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.config
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (non-carbonated)
Subject: RFD?:  alt.drugs.lsd
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Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:12:19 GMT


Recently on alt.drugs in article <1992Nov17.112103.4021@wkuvx1.bitnet>
jagged@wkuvx1.bitnet proposed a group seperate from alt.drugs devoted
to LSD.

Considering a healthy portion of alt.drugs is now currently devoted to
the discussion of LSD, and often times debates arise between proponents of
so-called "consciousness-expanding" drugs likes LSD and proponents of
"hard drugs" such as cocaine or heroin, it seems to me logical that a
group specifically devoted to LSD would save a lot of time and a lot
of bandwidth for a lot of people.  Much of the conversation
surrounding LSD revolves around familiar "newbie" questions, such as:
the efects of vitamin C and LSD, flashbacks - reality or theory, urban
legends, etc.  If there were a seperate group for LSD, a FAQ could
easily be created to supplement the familiar alt.drugs LSD faq
available at sites like ftp.u.washington.edu to answer these
questions.

If this group were created, I think it only appropriate that it stay
as partf of alt.drugs (ie:  alt.drugs.lsd), as many sites censor
alt.drugs, and of course, lsd fits nicely as a drug.  If someone is
already censoring alt.drugs there is no reason a group revolving
around lsd should not be censored at the same site, thus it should
remain within the hierarchy.

This is not really a formal proposal hence the "RFD?" in the subject,
and I am not a net.expert like many readers of alt.drugs, thus I don't
feel I should be the one to officially make the proposal (I also don't
know how to newgroup, so....)

At any rate, IMHO, it is an excellent idea that the lsd discussions be
seperated from alt.drugs into a seperate group, and I for one believe
the idea is worth consideration, so, please consider it!

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From: cd741@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Andarti)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: coke..
Date: 21 Nov 1992 16:33:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cd741@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Andarti)
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In a previous article, jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen) says:

>cd741@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Andarti) writes:
>
>>No...I'll try to make this easier...  How much coke per day
>>would someone have to use to make their nose collapse/disolve?
>>A half ounce?  At a cost of *at least* $3500 a week?
>
>   Are you really too stupid to realise that not everyone is paying street
>prices for their drugs? And since you seem to be such an expert, would you
>tell me the exact amount of cocaine that is needed to rot one's nose away
>in daily nasal use? In milligrams, please.
                        ^^^^^^^^^^
Now who's being stupid?  Or are you just suggesting that you can't
figure out the number of milligrams in a half ounce?  Let me know
what street dealer will sell *you* an ounce for $1000...

And since you are obviously not sharp enough to catch the
meaning in the abouve, I'll spell it out for you:  coke is
sold in *grams*, sometimes tenths of grams (for the poor 
and desperate) never *milligrams*.  $1000/oz is not a street
price......  Get it?

You don't have to be an *expert* to figure this out.
>
>   Cocaine has a fast metabolism. Of course they would OD, if they took all
>of it *at once*.

What I'm asking is that in order to ingest enough to collapse,
or even just eat ahole in one's septum, who a user have to do
so much shit that they are ingesting it constantly...I mean
snorting a line every minute, every five minutes, what?

P.
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From: jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen)
Subject: Re: "ex" smokers of MJ
Organization: Microdata Oy
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:51:52 GMT

cpsa@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Stefan Aeberhard) writes:

>	Perhaps life is all just a mass delusion ? And perhaps 
>	MJ helps some to make their own `local/personal' delusions ?

   Very possible. Definitely.

>>All a mass delusion?  No way.  Too many well-verified accounts of
>>marijuana experiences verging on the hallucinatory for that... as I'm
>>sure fellow netters will confirm.  
>	Definitely.

   I didn't claim that nobody has ever had hallucinatory or psychedelic
experiences with cannabis. I was asking whether anything can be gained
by using it. As for the bit about people beginning to write deep
philosophical essays abput pot once it's legalized, I'd like to point
out that nothing prevents them from doing so now. However, none of the
profound psychedelic writers of the 20th century have, to my knowledge,
devoted a single chapter to cannabis.
--
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		  Religion is the DMT of the masses.
From: veggie@works.uucp (The Deth Volkswagen)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: LSD Murder
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:14:15 GMT
Organization: The Works BBS - Informational Archives - Est. 1985

There was an interesting tidbit in this weeks Newsweek, on page 10... 
It's under the _CRIME_ section, and the Headline is "Jell-O Murder"... 
The text of the article follows:

"Who laced Richard Alfredo's Jell-O? In 1990, the Westport, Mass., man 
died of a heart attack after eating the wiggly dessert served by his 
girlfriend Christina Martin. There was no autopsy. But after hearing 
reports that Martin had talked to drug dealers about killing her lover, 
police exhumed Alfredo's body - and found huge doses of LSD in his blood. 
Then Martin's daughter Teasha said she - not her mother - poisoned 
Alfredo because he had sexually abused her. But Mom was found guilty of 
"The Jell-O Murder" anyway."
 
OK. No my question is... Just how likely is this? First of all, I know 
for a fact that there has never been any confirmed incidences of death by 
OVERDOSE of LSD... There's been Urban Myths, but that's all. When you 
consider that the LD-50 for LSD-25 is approx. 1,400 MILLIgrams, and the 
average dose of LSD-25 is 100 - 200 MICROgrams... It seems highly 
unlikely that you're gonna die from it. Also, that is only the Estimated 
LD-50, since, Like I said, no one has ever died from it. Anyway. 
 
     I was also under the impression that LSD was almost undetectable in 
the bloodstream. Does this change after death? I doubt it. Did Newsweek 
simply fuck up in their reporting of the incident? Probably. 
 
Anyone have any thoughts on the matter?
 - Veg
From: trailmix@cs.montana.edu (Foster)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Drug testing for Mushrooms
Date: 18 Nov 92 02:50:11 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717


Is there a drug test for Pscillosybin (sp?) Mushrooms ?  And if there
is, is it part of a standard drug test ?  What about methods of
avoidance ?  Any help would be appreciated.
PeacE
-- 

Slade Foster   Montana State Univ.   trailmix@fubar.cs.montana.edu 
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From: lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: Brands of LSD
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 06:03:57 GMT

ringo@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Ringo) writes:
>lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:
>
>>Seen it.  Not sure exactly what its called, and meant to ask actually.  It
>>looks sorta like a "plastic blotter paper" with little bulges in the
>>plastic for each hit.  But probably the second most popular LSD is microdot
>>which are just very small tablets. 
>
>Interesting. I'd never seen a microdot, though I had heard of them. I have
>had (though never taken) small tablets which I was told was mescaline. As
>I recall they were purple and pretty tiny. What does mescaline look like?
>That?

That sounds like microdot.  I doubt that synthetic mescaline is on the
market anywhere, so I'd expect it to be some kind of gooey cactus
extract if you did find it.

-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases."
                                      -- Robert Anton Wilson
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: msherman@zeus.UWaterloo.ca (Marc Sherman)
Subject: Random Drug Testing
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:30:01 GMT

The University of Waterloo, Department of Systems Design, recently initiated a  
Random Drug Testing program.  According to a spokesperson, students and faculty  
will be asked at random to sample new restricted and banned narcotic  
substances.  While participation is said to be optional, students are advised  
that failure to participate will be noted on academic transcripts.

Oh yeah, ;^>

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From: lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LSD Murder
Date: 20 Nov 92 07:42:46 GMT
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'

civl097@csc.canterbury.ac.nz writes:
>It would seem to me that the insides of a corpse and the residual blood in 
>particular would be a particularly harsh environment, a veritable decaying
>stew. Wouldn't this rapidly destroy any LSD present (metabolites included)
>making the claimed analysis on an exhumed body impossible? 
>Any forensic pathologists care to comment?

At a wild guess, I'd say that with no blood circulation, there would be
areas where the LSD would be somewhat preserved.  And if there were reasonably
large quantities injested then there might have been enough left in those
areas to detect it.

And a corpse is at least a nice cold, dark place to store it =)

-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases."
                                      -- Robert Anton Wilson
From: jagged@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: IMPORTANT, LSD!!
Date: 17 Nov 92 11:21:03 CST
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

I have been reading this news group for some time now and I have
really benifitted(sp?) from the info. I know this has probably been
brought up before but I can't resist. Why can't we start a LSD News
Group. It probably has been shot down before but why not? I mean I
monitor this group daily and I see that at least 25% of what is posted
is about LSD. I think this would clear up the group for other things
and give us "Trippers and Wannabe Trippers" a chance to converse with
out the clutter of the other postings. Please if any of you have any
influence at all on the net please send messages and get something
done, (that is if you want to) I have only my opinions and preferences 
to go on. Send any intelligent replys to the address below. Flames are
nonproductive so send them else where...

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From: dlr@well.sf.ca.us (David L Racette)
Subject: Re: Jell-O Killer Gets Life Term (LSD-related)
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 04:23:22 GMT


The key word as slf said is poisoning. The lethal dose for LSD is actually
unknown in humans. Could the halluncinations produced enough stress to cause
a heart attack? Yes possibly in someone succeptable. Sounds more like
sensationalism to me. I would l;kie to see the coroners report and how the
toxicological studies were actually done.
From: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com (Joe Whittemore)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Anonymous posting service?
Date: 19 Nov 92 05:30:17 GMT
Reply-To: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com.UUCP (Joe Whittemore)
Organization: LES Engineering in Westfield, Ma.


Does one for this group still exist?

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From: cd741@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Andarti)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: coke..
Date: 18 Nov 1992 15:59:18 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cd741@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Andarti)
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In a previous article, jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen) says:

>cd741@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Andarti) writes:
>
>>Sounds like someone was yanking your chain.  These people 
>>must have been very rich to afford so much coke so why
>>didn't they get plastic surgery??
>
>   Because they had spent all their money on cocaine? Perhaps because not
>all cocaine users are rich?

No...I'll try to make this easier...  How much coke per day
would someone have to use to make their nose collapse/disolve?
A half ounce?  At a cost of *at least* $3500 a week?  In fact,
could they even do enough to have this happen without ODing?
I would guess that, if this account is true, these people were
shoving alot more than coke up their noses.
>
>>Seems like people like to dispell only the propaganda that
>>they want to (ie stryc in LSD).  Lets try to be rational about
>>all of it...
>
>   Yeah, let's.
>--
>Jani Heinonen		jah@mits.mdata.fi		Finger for PGP key

P.
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  It's kiss or kill" - X
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: "Amy Young Leith" <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: ULTIMATE ACID MOVIE!!
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:37:00 -0500

In article <petersen-151192022247@elvex33.acns.nwu.edu> petersen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jim Petersen) writes:
>This thread got this far and nobody has mentioned John Waters??
>FEMALE TROUBLE!!  The ultimate acid movie.
>Also, it may be passe, but 'Pink Floyd The Wall' still stands the test
>of time. I wouldn't turn it off if someone wanted to watch it...
>Finally, don't forget about the evening news. Better than a lot of
>movies!

Anything BUT Jacob's Ladder.  

But movies aren't my preference.  Channel surfing is REALLY
interesting.  Not like things aren't disjointed enough, but when you
have three second flashes, you can REALLY make up some good "whole
stories."

Late late LATE night MTV, or something stupid like Nick at Nite.

amy
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From: bowman@reed.edu (BoBoRamDos)
Subject: Re: Shroom advice needed...
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 03:30:42 GMT

In article <Ef2l4mG00VAw46IlVX@andrew.cmu.edu> "Daniel S. Efran" <de0t+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.alt.drugs: 18-Nov-92 Shroom advice needed... 
>Eliot Frick@camelot.brad (371)
>> My question is simple:  What should one expect when using shrooms?
>> I have heard that there is vomiting involved.  True?
>False, as far as I know.  Perhaps you're thinking of mescaline?

Also false.  Perhaps you are thinking of peyote?  Mescaline itself would not
likely make one vomit.  Nice dry chunks of gnarly desert cactus have been
known to lead to, ah, colorful results.

later,
bobo              In seeking the unattainable,
bowman@reed.edu            simplicity only gets in the way.
A geek, by any other name...
From: jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: "ex" smokers of MJ
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:15:50 -0500

In article <1992Nov14.114618.29569@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, mleayr@nyx.cs.du.edu (matthew leayr) writes:
> 
> Hi,
>      I know several people who used to smoke large amounts of marijuana
> but no longer touch it because it "freaks them out too much" or they "cant
> handle it". When quizzed as to why they don't smoke anymore, they are often
> reluctant to even talk about it and shrug it off. This puzzles me.
> Are there others out there who used to use grass, but no longer do for
> these
> or similar reasons?? Does anyone else know people similar to those I'm
> describing?? One guy I know will be with others when they are smoking,
> joining in the experience, but will refuse to smoke, despite his having
> been a regular smoker about a year ago. His reason is that he "starts
> thinking about things too much" whatever that means.
> 
> Matt.

	My experience was the development of "free-floating-anxiety"
	after several years of on-off again smoking. Extremely
	unpleasant. Essentially, the *FEAR* centers of the brain
	just turn on for no apparent reason, in isolation from
	any other effects. Reasoning that there was no cause for
	fear didn't help one bit. After a few such episodes I
	simply quit the weed and will never use it again. Now,
	this is a personal thing, and I have nothing against
	people who still smoke ... except that they get kinda
	thick after a while. As an aside, the cognitive improvements
	which took place during the first few months without the
	weed were almost like getting high in and of themselves.
	Reefer is easy to over-use, but the ill effects seem to
	go away once you stop using. That's more slack than
	alcohol will give you.

-- Jim
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez)
Subject: Re: "ex" smokers of MJ
Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics, Cambridge, MA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 01:19:39 GMT

In article <jah.722033314@mits> jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:
>aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:
>
>> That's funny. Does the same thing to me. Always has. I could never
>>understand the big deal made about it.
>
>   Perhaps it's all just a mass delusion? It does help with relieving tension
>and combatting some forms of anxiety. It also sometimes makes the surroundings
>seem a little more interesting and occasionally induces funny thoughts.
>However, it is neither as demonic or glorious as it is often claimed to be.

All a mass delusion?  No way.  Too many well-verified accounts of
marijuana experiences verging on the hallucinatory for that... as I'm
sure fellow netters will confirm.  One really has to accept that what
some drugs do is quite variable.  With marijuana there may be both a
"learning" effect -- people who only smoke a few times might not have
intense experiences -- and a "burnout" or acclimatization effect --
people who originally had far-out experiences while high may no longer
after a while.  Maybe you guys just burnt out before you caught on.  :-)
Seriously, I think it's all quite complicated and someday, when it's
legal, people will write complicated tomes theorizing about it.

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From: tendico@hubcap.clemson.edu (Todd Endicott)
Subject: Re: ULTIMATE ACID MOVIE!!
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:12:02 GMT


Give "Brazil" a try. Directed (written also?) by Terry Gilliam, the
animator for Monty Python. Utter, out-and-out madness and mindfuck.
-- 
Todd Endicott
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