From: steven@advtech.uswest.com ( Steve Novak)
Subject: Re: [ACLU] Reproductive Freedom
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:29:33 GMT

> = (John E. Kreznar) writes:
>> = (Carl M. Kadie) presents the writings of the ACLU:

>> Published by the Department of Public Education
>> American Civil Liberties Union
>> The Right to Choose: A Fundamental Liberty

>Pro-Choice Loses a Round

How do you figure?

>It used to be that you had a choice on whether to support abortion
>counseling.  Now, unless you have evaded the clutches of the United
>States Government, you no longer have that choice.  Within the space
>of a week, a judge declared the so-called ``gag rule'' invalid, and
>United States President-elect Bill Clinker announced that he would
>sustain such a policy.  This means that part of your toil is applied,
>by way of taxation, in support of abortion counseling, whether or not
>you would so choose on your own.

Oh, get a life.  What paTHETIC, childish whining.  Are you saying that
except for *abortion*, there is NOTHING in the federal budget you
disagree with?  This is such an asinine argument that I don't mind
pointing it out again :).

>The irony is that many self-proclaimed ``pro-choice'' people consider
>this change to be a victory!

It is, you horse's ass.  Even if YOU don't agree, pro-choicers sure as
hell consider taxes for abortion counseling to be a good thing.

Additonally, all that removing the gag rule did was allow the DOCTOR
instead of a NURSE to give that counseling.  Kindly point out what huge
expense has been added to the office visit.

>> You can help preserve the right to choose by urging
>> your Congressional representatives to support federal protection of this
>> right for all women, without exception, through the Freedom of Choice
>> Act and the Reproductive Health Equity Act, and by letting your state
>> legislators know that you support reproductive choice.

>Seeking government help to safeguard personal choice is like hiring
>the fox to guard the chickens.  The whole _purpose_ of democratic
>political government is to supplant _personal_ choice with
>_collective_ choice.

We're not a democracy.  We're a republic.  Learn some things before you
snivel all over us again.  In fact, our Constitution and system of
government is to PREVENT tyranny by the majority.  Else, minorities
would still be working the fields and we'd have a caste system, with the
elite made up of white Protestant right-wing assholes...which IS what
happened until the Civil War, and of which vestiges still exist.


>> "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude.... shall exist within the United
>> States." 
>>                       -- The Thirteenth Amendment

>If a person's toil is applied, without that person's consent, through
>taxation, toward an end that that person does not approve, how does
>this differ from slavery?

HAW HAW HAW.  Are you serious?  

>If civilization is to have a future, it must include widespread
>respect for simple human dignity: allowing the other person go his or
>her own separate way in peace.

Exactly.  Mind your own business and quit venting your hatred on poor
people stuck between a rock and a hard ass.



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