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From: aaron@jessica.stanford.edu (Aaron Wallace)
Subject: Re: Tastes gross/more fattening (repost (last attempt only got ~1 site))
Keywords: (hex encoded ASCII) 3A 2D 29
Organization: Academic Information Resources
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 02:27:51 GMT

In article <890139w.702661419@aucs> 890139w@aucs.acadiau.ca (John Weatherbie) writes:

> [Yes, again, the great Is Windows an OS debate, rearing its head again...]

>OS/2 is a great operating system, Windows is a program that runs under OS/2 and DOS. Get it right!!! Buy OS/2 and forget the term UAE.

Just a question: If I were to write an OS/2 app with the following code in
it, what would happen (let's assume 16-bit PM api)

xor	ax, ax		<- wait--is this code in a code segment?
mov	ds, ax		<- selector 0 is typically invalid
mov	bx, 0ffffh	<- and what if the segment is < 64K
mov	[bx], ax	<- and who says we can write to it, past the hard end

; If I'm here w/o a 'fault', I just zeroed out a random chunk of memory...!

Okay, maybe it's not called a UAE, but it's some kind of processor fault.
Or OS/2 is lying to you (there are three potential faults in this code).
Or the memory protection isn't turned on.

Reality check: most Win apps which UAE under Windows will do something
similar under OS/2 2.0.  The difference may be that OS/2 2.0 recovers more
gracefully; this has to be tested in the field first.  The fact is that
in most cases a UAE is saying that the application did something bad, typically
loading an invalid segment register, read/writing past the end, or
writing into a read-only place.  Changing the OS to OS/2 can't fix a bad
app (i.e. one that doesn't quite get its far arithmetic right).

Admittedly, there are cases where conditions cause Windows itself to
UAE, such as low memory or programs passing bad parameters to Windows.
There are also a few bugs in the Windows kernel which cause UAEs.
Undoubtedly, there are bugs in Win 3.1's kernel and OS/2 2.0s.

Even fixing all this, there's only so much any OS can do when an app
contains code like that I've written above.

Anyway, Win 3.1 and OS/2 2.0 are both cheap--you can have both for under
$100, and I imagine quite a few people will use both as the need arises.

Aaron Wallace
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
From: bwong@beach.csulb.edu (Bradley Wong)
Subject: HELP! Win 3.1 dies in setup mode
Summary: What's the problem with "standard mode?"
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 00:04:07 GMT

Gates was wrong. It arrived a 11:30AM 8-)

I can NOT get past the 93% second diskette setup mode where win 3.1
goes from DOS setup to windows setup. 

All I get is:

   Standard Mode: Fault in MS-DOS extender
   EC=0000 CS=0053 IP=232F ...

Naturally, there's not enough 3.1 to run in real or enchanced mode.
The trouble-shooting sections have no answer.

I've tried going from no config.sys or autoexec.bat files to my normal
ones w/o success in standard mode. I've tried both the original himem.sys
and emm386 programs and the "updated" ones posted to many BBSs.

This is on a Microgeneration 486-33 ETEQ-motherboard w/Mr. Bio and 
16Mb ram (and currently Windows 3.0a with MPC extentions).

I went back and un-tarred my 3.0 backup and noticed that 3.0 gives me
a standard mode abort message of:

   Protected-mode violation;
   try running in real mode.

This, again with both max and minimum config.sys and autoexec.bat files.

So, I reloaded DOS 5.0 from the distribution disks and reloaded the
original 3.0 diskettes, and still get the protected mode violations.

Last time I can remember having run in standard mode OK was with DOS 3.1.

Help!  Any body got a hint? MS's help line is BUSY, BUSY, BUSY!
From: slc@a2.cim.cdc.com (Steve Chesney x4662)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Win 3.1 and PC-Kwik?
Keywords: cache
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:52:20 GMT
Reply-To: slc@a2.cim.cdc.com (Steve Chesney x4662)
Organization: Control Data

I use a recent version of PC-Kwik disk cache (the one that knows how to 
loan extended memory to Windows 3.0).  Will it work with windows 3.1?
-- 
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From: robert@solan.unit.no (Robert Schmidt)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: Win 3.1 PC speaker MM driver?
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:54:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: ugle.1992Apr16.185401.10172
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr11.051025.105077@zeus.calpoly.edu>, jwu@zeus.calpoly.edu (John Shih Jen Wu) writes:
 > In article <2030@transfer.stratus.com>, leadfoot@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (Mark Curtis) writes:
 > > what happened to sndtool.  Sndtool 2.4 gave me a GP error, 2.5 said it
 > > couldn't load the driver said "Bad Karma".
 > 
 > I had the same problem. The Windows Speaker driver seems to interfere
 > with Sound Tool's speaker driver. I just unloaded the Windows driver
 > and the "Bad Karma" problem ended.
 > 
 > -- 
 > =========================================================================
 > John S. Wu (Engr Mgt. / Mech Engr) ===>  jwu@nyx.calpoly.edu
 > California Polytechnic State Univ., School of Business, MBA Program 
 > San Luis Obispo, CA 93401


Where did you get this speaker driver?  Is it available from any ftp sites?

-- 
Regards from Robert Schmidt, PC C/asm is my game, fast graphics is my 
pain  -  Watch for my VGA/SB demo!
     e-mail to robert@solan.unit.no
 snail-mail to Stud.techn. Robert Schmidt, stud.post 170,
               Norwegian Institute of Technology, Trondheim, NORWAY
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
From: becap@cs.mcgill.ca (Brian CAPSON)
Subject: Re: Win 3.1
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:13:53 GMT

In article <56932@cup.portal.com> Darla@cup.portal.com (Kuby - Downs) writes:
>Microsoft's advertising deceitful? Well I hope not! I've invested a fortune
>in software already!  I've read on this net that WFW 2.0 is NOT compatable
>with the 3.1 Windows upgrade. If this is true, why haven't we heard this
>0efore now?  Do you mean to tell me that Microsoft didn't even test it's
>own products on 3.1? I find that very hard to believe.
>
>
>Also included on this list was PC Tools v7.1!  Can someone
>tell me why in the ham sandwich I should spend $50.00 to
>upgrade to 3.1 just so I can have MORE problems.. NO THANKS!
>
>
I would put little faith into most things that you read on the net.
WinWord 2.0 works fine in Windows 3.1, in fact it works MUCH better than
in Win3.0, as do most programs. It's well worth the upgrade.

- Brian


Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
From: rww@kepler.unh.edu (Richard W White)
Subject: Re: Matlab
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:59:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr4.020816.20166@rice.edu> acp@barred.owlnet.rice.edu (Adrian C Penisson) writes:
>Does anyone know if there is a Windows version of Matlab?  
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Adrian Penisson
>
>
No, As far as i know, there is not a Windows version of Matlab,
    Has anyone had any success, running Matlab as a dos window???


Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
From: donnel@helix.nih.gov (Donald A. Lehn)
Subject: Re: Why go to 3.1 if 2.0 works
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:14:21 GMT

In article <2379@accucx.cc.ruu.nl> nevries@accucx.cc.ruu.nl (Nico de Vries.) writes:
/>In <1992Apr12.060438.25404@unixg.ubc.ca> twong@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong) writes:
/>>...
/>>well as the OS/2 products that's coming out. And a lot more companies
/>>have stepped forward to say they will be coming out with a OS/2 version
/>>of their program to make use of the 32 bit. I can't wait till I get the
/>>CorelDraw for OS/2 or the Borland C++ (among the others planned) because
/>>they sure can use the speed and power! :) Can't ever be satisfied with
/>>more power.
/>And what about LOTUS 123 for OS/2 2.0, Wordperfect 6.0 for OS/2 2.0,
/>WATCOM C 9.0 for OS/2 2.0 (available NOW!!!) and those other 800! companies
/>working on OS/2 2.0 software (Windows only has slightly more, about 1000,
/>working on Windows 3.1 apps).
/>
/>
/>>Thomas.
/>
/>Nico de Vries

But what about the fact that Microsoft and Borland have sold more Window's
development packages (SDK, C++ for Windows, Visual Basic, Turbo Pascal for
Windows, QuickC for Windows etc...) than there are copies of OS/2 (all
versions) in use.

--
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Bldg.37 Rm 3D20                            FAX:   (301) 496-8419
National Cancer Institute / NIH            Email: donnel@helix.nih.gov
Bethesda MD 20892
From: nevries@accucx.cc.ruu.nl (Nico de Vries.)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: Windows NT is Vaporware ( was Re: Why I'm sticking with Windows)
Date: 16 Apr 92 07:55:28 GMT
Organization: Academic Computer Centre Utrecht

In <sj0ioINNao4@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> bewhite@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (The Cleaner) writes:

>randy@rss.dl.nec.com (Randy Bullard) writes:

>>Give me a break.  Windows NT is a promise, vaporware, hand waving, blah blah blah.

>  Y'know, I just had a thought.  Suppose, just SUPPOSE that MS feels that
>OS/2 is a threat to the customer base they have already established with
>Windows 3.0 and now 3.1.  What better way to try and ensure that you
>keep the users using Windows than to promise a new operating system
>that is more capable than OS/2?  Of course, whether the OS ever actually
>appears is not really that important...
I don't agree. If NT wouldn't arive at all OS/2 2.1 would be there and
Windows would lose anyway. I am pretty sure MS is realy working hard
on creating NT. Probably not on scedule but it will definitely come.

>  Just a thought people I'm not trying to accuse MS here.  But you may
>want to use the software that's here now rather than wait for what
>is promised.  This is the only strategy that makes sense to me.
You are right of cource. But Windows 3.1 is here now. (OS/2 2.0 has
some ordering problems because IBM expected less orders so it will
be a few more weeks). Windows 3.1 is perhaps not as advanced as OS./2 2.0
but if most users don't care thats not going to help them. And MS
marketting is smart enough to promis something even better to lose
fewer customers.


>  Bruce White(bewhite@matt.ksu.ksu.edu)

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From: martin@patricia.verfahrenstechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Martin Hepperle)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: Adlib under Win 3.1?!?!?!?
Date: 11 Apr 92 10:47:14 GMT
Organization: Institute A for Mechanics, University of Stuttgart, Germany

In article <hstj7s=@lynx.unm.edu> cvance@vesta.unm.edu (Chad Vance) writes:
>What is the Adlib driver under Windows 3.1 usefor if you can't use
>the .wav files?  WHy can a SIMPLE built in PC speaker use the .wav
>files but the Adlib can't?  I don't get it!  
>
>Or am I installing the Adlib driver wrong?  HELP!!!!
>
>		Hasta,
>			Chad
>

The original AdLib has offers no possibility to output or record
samples. It only has a synthesizer chipset and can output sound
(aka music) generated by this synthesizer.
The Soundblaster differs from the Adlib board in having an additional
DAC chip which can output sampled sounds (plus an ADC to record
samples).
So: If you have an Adlib board you cannot record or output wave files,
because they contain nothing but sampled data. You can use MIDI files
only.

BTW. The Microsoft speaker driver seems to be limited to a sample length
of 64 kB. Maybe they better should have hired Aaron Wallace or have
licenzed his DSOUND.DLL  :-)

Martin.
From: mgjones@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Mike 'Felix' Jones)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: SoundBlaster on Exit.
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:07:24 GMT
Organization: FLX Software

In article <1992Apr14.215910.10524@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, nsus_cif@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Nick Susch) writes:
> quit windows, it leaves my Soundblaster in a state of "dissarray". Thats is,
> after windows quits, my Soundblaster card make a buzzing, static type sound.

I had this problem too.  I had just attributed it to the fact that I
had a Sound Blaster Pro and was using the Sound Blaster 1.5 driver. 
My guess is it's a bug in the driver.  I have yet to have the problem
since I installed the SBPro drivers.

---
Mike "Felix" Jones                    "Power doesn't make you good, Dave.
mgjones@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (VAX)    It just makes you powerful."
mgjones@sacder.nshore.org (My PC)            - from Scanners II
From: john.will@satalink.com (John Will) 
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: RE: WHY GO TO 3.1 IF 2.0
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:34:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Satalink Info Systems - Huntingdon Valley, PA - 215-364-3324
Reply-To: john.will@satalink.com (John Will) 

TO: jjm13@po.cwru.edu
JM.Well, any DOS program running under Windows goes directly to the hardware.
  .Windows doesn't know or care that your comm software is using the com port.
  .Thus, you don't have to set anything in Windows for the software to work.

BUZZ, WRONG!  Windows 3.x in enhanced mode "virtualizes" the comm ports,
your comm software only thinks it's talking to the hardware.  That's how
TurboCom is able to work it's magic.

JM.DOS programs running under OS/2, on the other hand, interact with the 
  .hardware by way of OS/2 virtual device drivers.

Sounds a lot like Windows, at least in enhanced mode.
---
 . KingQWK 1.05 . Save this message ! You may need it !
                                                                                       
Xref: sparky comp.windows.ms:12042 comp.sys.mac.misc:8889
From: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: PC is cheaper than MAC (Yeah, right.)
Date: 9 Apr 92 03:23:07 GMT
Reply-To: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)
Organization: Peirce Software
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


In article <1992Apr8.024206.23737@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu> (comp.windows.ms,comp.sys.mac.misc), stangel@sunc2.cs.uiuc.edu (Mike Stangel) writes:
> I hope to God we never see a ResEdit for PCs.  Making hackers out
> of thoughtless college Freshman has been nothing but a pain in the
> neck for those trying to put secure software in public computing
> sites.  I refer specifically to those who think it's funny to alter
> the results of course software which is given to the students for
> free.  I assure you my PC version of the software will be MUCH more
> secure.

If this course software is written in-house, you can easily add a
simple self-check to assure that important resources haven't been
tampered with.  

It's trivial to add this in.

--  Michael Peirce         --   peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
From: altman@sbpmt.cs.sunysb.edu (Jeff Altman)
Subject: Re: Win3.1 Delay ..
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:56:10 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.173245.1@cstp.umkc.edu> lcsim@cstp.umkc.edu (Lin-Chow Sim) writes:
>Hi!
>

>I also wonder if anyone out there has used AllType (by ATech) to convert Type
>1 to TT fonts?  How's the result?

AllType versions 1.0 and 1.1 do not correctly convert Type 1 fonts to TrueType.
Atech is currently Beta Testing a version which they claim will do it \
correctly.  I will let the net know when I get my copy.


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Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
From: bdeskin@cognos.uucp (Bob Deskin)
Subject: WinQVT 4.77 and Windows 3.1 Problems
Organization: Cognos Incorporated, Ottawa CANADA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:10:26 GMT

I have the following problems with WinQVT 4.77 or 4.78 and Windows 3.1.
These occur when I connect to a local BBS. I'm using a SmartModem 2400. I
had none of these problems under Windows 3.0. Other than these, I'm very
pleased with 3.1.

1) Once WinQVT comes up and I select my telephone number, it seems to take
longer to start resetting and initializing than it did in Windows 3.0. 
Perhaps 2 or 3 seconds.

2) Occasionally, when I get a connection, all I get is garbage noise.

3) After I have hungup, when I go to leave WinQVT, I get a dialog box that
says "You have a live phone connection. Do you still want to exit?" Even 
clicking on Hangup doesn't help. The line is disconnected by the way, so 
something isn't being detected correctly.

Any help or ideas would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

-- 
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(613) 738-1338 ext 5003       P.O. Box 9707, 3755 Riverside Drive
FAX (613) 738-0002            Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA K1G 3Z4
UUCP: bdeskin!cognos          bdeskin%cognos.uucp@ccs.carleton.ca
From: sarnold@bgsu.edu (G. Steve Arnold)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: Deep thoughts
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:45:39 GMT
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.

hardarso@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Kari Hardarson) writes:

> 4)  Now that Truetype fonts are here, does that mean printers should
>     have less intelligence built in?  What is the cheapest printer that
>     will do full credit to documents created in Windows 3.1?  More 
>     specifically:  Is there any point in buying an HP-III when a 
>     Canon Bubblejet can print Truetype fonts?  (Which I presume it can).

	The point of True Type fonts being built in is that not only 
your postscript or HP laser printer, but your canon bubblejet and EVEN 
your lowly $150.00 bargain basement 9 pin dot matrix printer can use 
and print them beautifully. (I use a 9 pin regularly -- not a laser,
but good enough for now. You wouldn't believe the quality you can get
from a 9 pin by using ATM or TT...)

steve

-- 
   The only difference between a Communist        G. Steve Arnold
   and a Socialist is that the Socialist will     Dept. Math and Stats.
   only confiscate the resources that are         BGSU
   profitable.                                    sarnold@andy.bgsu.edu
                        "Keep circulating the tapes"
From: ccastd2@prism.gatech.EDU (Dale Phurrough)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Ctrl+Alt+Del w/ Win 3.1
Summary: Ctrl+Alt+Del in Win 3.1 warm boots my machine!?
Keywords: windows 3.1
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:00:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

According to the manuals, if you press Ctrl+Alt+Del in an application it is
supposed to kill the application.  Well when I do it, my computer warm-boots.
Does this key sequence only work when the application is frozen?  Does it
only work in 386 enhanced mode?  I have a PS/2 50Z (286) 3 megs.

--Dale

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Internet: ccastd2@prism.gatech.edu
Organization: Computing Technology Services, Michigan Technological Univ.
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 14:27:17 EST
From: Robb <RKKISTLE@MTUS5.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Modem/3.1 PC Speaker driver

I have a cheap internal 2400bd modem.  In the past if two devices contended
for it the modem would lock up.  No problem...just avoide the contention.
Now, however, the modem locks up after a while when the 3.1 PC speaker driver
is loaded.  The modem responds with "OK" and even pretends to dial--but it
seems to be forgetting to pick up the phone line!  Weird.  My external
modem does not have this problem.  The only way to reset the modem, BTW,
is to power down.  Thanks ahead if anyone can help out.
From: acoles@bwdls59.bnr.ca (Andrew Coles)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Win3.1 prob: Incorrect System Version
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:06:21 GMT
Reply-To: ACOLES@BNR.CA
Organization: BNR Woodline, Ottawa

After installing a new video drives into windows 3.1, any time I try to 
bring up a DOS shell, I get the message 'Incorrect system version.  Run 
the windows setup program again'.

What does setup have to do with this and how do you get it to fix the
problem?

I'm running on a generic 386 - 25mhz, 8 meg ram, MS-DOS 5.0

Help!!

ACOLES@BNR.CAA
From: WDH2@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Windows 3.1 Bugs?
Date: 10 Apr 92 23:37:43 GMT
 <1992Apr8.214033.26879@ms.uky.edu>
 <1992Apr9.173838.6748@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
Organization: Penn State University


I have not been able to use File Manager to launch an Excel 3.0 worksheet in

Windows 3.1.  I gives me a nasty-gram to the effect: "cannot open or print
document.  Open the application that the document was created in and open
the document there." Must I place the Execel directory in the path
statement, Good Lord it's big already|?

Another question regarding SMARTDRIVE.  Wow, on bootup the virus check
(McAffee's Scan) really flies, but when I am finally in windows (is it me or
is 3.1 taking longer to boot up) the hard disk is performing a heluva lot of
disk seeks (yes, I have a large permanent swapfile).  What is going on?

I must say that Print Manager is much speedier.  I gave it up when using 3.0
in favor of PrintCache, but I'm back to PM.

Has anyone else had problems with shareware programs from CICA on 3.1?  My
favorite - APPBAR is producing the 3.1 UAE --> "General Application
Error" nastygram.  To be kind to 3.1 unlike the UAE -- I dont have to reboot.
It would be a shame if all/many of those marvelous shareware creations at CICA
and elsewhere would be scrapped.


Louie Reynaldo
Department of Chemistry - Penn State
"Our excited stated are highly degerate."
Disclaimer: "I claim nathing|"  -- Sgt. Schultz in Hogan's Heros
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
From: gunther@world.std.com (Gunther W Anderson)
Subject: SoundBlaster Pro Drivers for Win 3.1
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:37:19 GMT

I just talked to Creative Labs Tech Support, after a few days of busy
signals, and they told me to either call their BBS or download the
files from Compuserve.  Their BBS has also been busy for the past
few days, so I ventured into compuserve.  It is in Library 1 of
the Multimedia Vendors' forum (MULTIVEN), and is called SBPW31.ZIP.

So, if that's all you need, give those poor techs a break and go
straight to compuserve.

By the by, I also discovered (was told) how to pronounce Brown Wagh --
It's 'brown way'.

Be seeing you,
Gunther