From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: Is this wrong, or what?
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:24:14 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Distribution: ba
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:

}In article <0ff403sdc81i00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston) writes:
}> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
}> }In article <b0bC035Qc7Bq00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston) writes:
}# }# Secondly, even if I assume that the man was guilty, I wouldn't really
}# }# be outraged at what you describe.  The man clearly was a valuable
}# }# employee of the company; why shouldn't they honor him for that service?
}# }# What does his child molestation have to do with what he did for the
}# }# company?  Oh, I might question the appropriateness of so honoring him,
}# }# given that he molested a daughter of an employee, and I might suggest
}# }# that the medal wasn't really proper under those circumstances, but I
}# }# don't think I would be outraged.
}# 
}# }Of course not.  You aren't outraged about child molestation.  WHAT
}# }IN THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?  You must not know any of the victims
}# }of this sort of thing.
}# 
}# True.  Which is why I am able to be reasonable and rational in my
}# approach to the situation, rather than to emotionally knee-jerk and
}# assume the worst as you do.  Look at it this way:  Suppose, just SUPPOSE
}# for an instant that the unthinkable happens and you, Clayton, are
}# unjustly and completely falsely accused of child molestation.  Who
}# would you rather have on your jury, someone like me who waits for all
}# the facts before making a conclusion, or someone like you and Phil who
}# assume that arrest equals guilt?  
}# 
}# --James Preston

}Arrest plus self-execution equals guilt.  A person who denies the
}charges is demonstrating that, at a minimum, he is concerned
}enough about his reputation to fight back.  A person who saves the
}government the cost of a cell and trial isn't concerned about his
}reputation in the least.

How do you know?  How the HELL do you you that?!?!?  Who made you
a god that can look into a man's mind and know what he thinks and
what motivates him and what drives him to a desperate act?

}I'm a firm believer in innocent until proven guilty, or until
}they confess.  Suicide when those sort of charges are pending against
}you is a form of confession.

Jeez, I knew that you had a rather closed mind, but this goes beyond
all bounds of what I could have ever conceived was possible.  You have
the utter gall to decry television as the "opiate of the masses", and
then turn right around and spew this total bullshit?  You complain
about other people being enslaved by the media, and then turn around
and demonstrate that you don't even have the rational capacity to admit
the possibility that other people's minds might work just a little 
differently than yours?  You bring shame to every book ever written
just by admitting that you read.  

You quoted my question above and then strangely failed to answer it.
Honestly now, which of us would you rather have on your jury?  Me,
I'm willing to bet that with a mind as thoroughly incapable of seeing
more than one possibility as yours, you've never had the privilege of
serving on a jury.

--James Preston