HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: system@coldbox.cojones.com (Bryan Lockwood)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: .QWK mail reader for Waffle
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 05:25:58 AST
Organization: The Generation Gap

morpheus <morpheus@entropy.mcds.com> writes:

> If you must use a QWK reader, look at Jabber.  The best I've seen...  But the
> again, my preferred DOS terminal emulator is {COMMO}...

I don't have Jabber. But I have noticed some messages FROM Jabber popping up
in some of my newsgroups (imported from another network), and apparently
Jabber uses some non-ASCII quote character that just doesn't show up on my
Waffle system. This makes some messages (those with lots of embedded quotes)
awfully hard to read.

-Bryan Lockwood (system@cojones.com)  (1@501 WWIVnet)
"Into the trough of digital overkill I dove, raucously snorting
  and oinking."
Xref: sparky comp.bbs.waffle:5546 comp.mail.uucp:2425
From: stu@valinor.mythical.com (Stu Labovitz)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Keywords: DNS,MX,FQDN
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 16:06:27 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: (What? Organized??) - Mythical Computer Systems

abolins@visavis.cam.org (August Abolins) writes:
> stu@valinor.mythical.com (Stu Labovitz) writes:
> > _This_ is the specific reason for obtaining a FQDN in the Internet DNS and
> > having an MX record.  The MX record provides the routing information for
> > any Internet host to send email to your host, even if it is really a
> > uucp-only system...
> 
> I give up; what does MX stand for?

Sorry about spouting trade jargon.  FQDN = Fully qualified domain name.
DNS = Domain Naming System.  MX = Mail eXchanger (a type of DNS RR that
identifies an (IP-reachable) Internet host that is willing to receive your
email and which knows how to forward it onward to your site).
RR = Resource Record (a record in the DNS that contains information on a
domain or host).  HINFO = Host INFOrmation RR (contains info on your H/W
and S/W configuration).  For more information on any of these topics, you
can read one of the many books about the DNS now available on the market;
or send an email to service@nic.ddn.mil that contains the commands HELP
and INDEX (one command per line), get the appropriate Internet RFC
(Request for Comments (the Internet "Standards" documents)) and read!

Happy Holidays!

   Stuart L Labovitz                    Internet:  stu@valinor.mythical.com
    (insert standard disclaimer here)       UUCP:   uunet!valinor!stu

   Duct tape is like the force.  It has a light side, a dark side,
      and it holds the universe together.      --- Carl Zwanzig
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From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Offline Readers
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 14:57:45 MST
Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada
X-Newsreader: rusnews v0.98

rick@ricksys.lonestar.org (Richard McCombs) writes:

>> uucp+rnews:
>>   the later you install waffle, the easier it is.  is everyone just
>>   remembering the pain of their first-ever install?  mine was
> [...]
>>   I use a tiny fraction of the full waffle package, because I am not
>>   running a bbs - it's just me here.  and it's just ain't that tough!
                                             ^^^^ (argh)

> How you could get rnews to work with only one directory?

just hacking at it - unpack all the news files that WOULDN'T have gone
straight into junk into one big directory, probably keeping an index
file somewhere.  (as long as you don't have to parse that feeds file,
doing rnews is easy)

>> uucp+rnews:
>>   again, you tell me.  if I thought waffle was perfect, I wouldn't've
>>   written rusnews.  but by now we should have interfaces for every
> 
> I'd say you need to be a medium-grade hacker to get waffle up and
> running. I got it to work with little or no help.

for the case where the user has:
  one place feeding them
  no places they're feeding
  one (or many, really) phone numbers to call to their feed

this wouldn't be a big deal, would it?  to set up a custom waffle system,
that you could plug and play (answer these twelve questions: type of deal)
-- 
Russell Schulz  russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca  ersys!rschulz  Shad 86c
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: tweek@netcom.com (Michael D. Maxfield)
Subject: Re: User-Only type documentation
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 05:33:21 GMT

In article <2Z8LwB3w165w@vector0.SAC.CA.US> jon@vector0.SAC.CA.US  (Dazed N. Confused) writes:
>dwrage@ddt-archives.athens.oh.us (David William Wrage) writes:
>
>> I'm thinking of editing the USER.DOC file, it's just htat I'm too d*mn lazy t
>> really want to do it.  any ideas?
>
>     Uhm.  Why do users need to know every command, even the restricted
>ones?  Why not have a little more simplicity..
>[...]
>Users aren't stupid.  Unless they are.  And then what good are they?

Some users do get frustrated...  Heres an idea for the user that wants
more indepth information on a particular command and doesn't like wading
through the 40 k of the UserDoc on line.  Use an editor and cut out each
command description from the user.doc and save them under their command
name with no extension.  Create a directory under \waffle\help\ called
commands.  Move all these little files that you created into
\waffle\help\commands\.  On the "MENU" file in \waffle\help\ add a line
like:  COMMANDS .......... Detailed help on Waffle commands".

Now create a file in \waffle\help\commands\ called "MENU" and write into
it in 80 columns... something like:
--------------------------------------------------------------------
          Detailed help is available for the following commands
          -----------------------------------------------------

	MAIL		READ		NEW		NEWSCAN
	POST		FILES		LOGIN		...etc


          Type the command you want help on.  <ENTER> to exit
--------------------------------------------------------------------

Also, I have tried this with those commands which are longer than
eight characters, and the system will truncate the request to the
maximum dos length of eight, so a user can type "LINEEDITOR" and the
file "LINEEDIT" will be typed to the screen.
From: system@coldbox.cojones.com (Bryan Lockwood)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Helldiver is awesome!
Keywords: Helldiver,MS-Windows,waffle,reader
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 00:46:26 AST
Organization: The Generation Gap

kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle) writes:

> Gosh. Almost makes me want to grab a Computer Shopper and order a couple
> of simms, find room on my hard drive for Windows 3.1, reconfigure all of
> my Waffle stuff.... hmmm... on second thought.. maybe not :)

You'll need the simms and the disk space, but you WON'T need to reconfigure
Waffle at all. I use Helldiver sporadically.. when I want it, I run Windows.
When I don't want it, Windows isn't running. Simple.

I never did find a way to get my Waffle, along with its various extensions,
to run concurrently with Windows and still make outgoing calls, or reliably
answer incoming ones. No major loss.

-Bryan Lockwood (system@cojones.com)  (1@501 WWIVnet)
"Into the trough of digital overkill I dove, raucously snorting
  and oinking."
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Subject: Re: Better news processor for waffle?
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 07:53:08 GMT

crespin@nadir.uucp (Rudy Crespin) writes:

>>>>Has HellDiver been released, or is it still in beta testing?

>>planed for the future, but even as it stands, it is the best news/mail
>                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>reader for waffle, "period".  
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Anyone planning on porting it to vanilla DOS?  I think people should know
it's a Windows app.

-- 
     halcyon.com, Public Access Internet, Seattle, WA, +1 206 382 6245
                 "A World of Information at your Fingertips"
                 P.O. Box 555, Grapeview, WA 98546-0555, USA
                    ralphs@halcyon.com,  +1 206 955 1050
From: rick@ricksys.lonestar.org (Richard McCombs)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: ARCLIST
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 02:06:17 CST
Organization: The Red Headed League; Lawton, Ok
X-Newsreader: rusnews v0.97
X-note-to-Russell: Hey! the From: header works now!

rat@ruth.UUCP (David Douthitt) writes:

> william@cithara.login.qc.ca writes:
> 
> | > How did arj get popular?
> |
> | I like it because it's a single executeabe.
> 
> So is LHA.
> 
> | > Sure, it's compression ratios are good, but the thing is a memory hog.
> |
[...]
> Besides, ARJ is shareware as I remember - so is ZIP.  I'm considering a
> switch to LHA - Freeware - the way software should be.

ARJ only requires Registration if you are a commercial, business, or
government user.  I was temped to post a big section of the license.doc
that gives the exact details but this is getting off topic as it is.
I don't have the docs handy to pkzip but it does say when you run it
that if you find it useful etc. that you should register it. However
there is INFO-ZIP's zip and unzip and is Freeware.

-- 
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UUCP: ...!rwsys!ricksys!rick,   {backbones}!ricksys.lonestar.org!rick
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From: matthias@oln.zer.de (Matthias Watermann)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Update on Helldiver
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 15:36:02 GMT

In <11519@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> rhys@cs.uq.oz.au (Rhys Weatherley) writes:

>anyone who despises Helldiver? :-)

Hmm, I'm just testing your program and I see that it catches all of the system
resources: all other tasks (e.g. the clock) are stopped by Helldiver and it's 
impossible to switch windows while Helldiver is scanning the newsgroups-dirs.
This search, BTW, takes a =very= long time, once I had to wait for about 15 
minutes (!) when Helldiver found a newsgroup with about 3.000 msgs.

Another point is: I couldn't find a simple way to navigate through a topic 
(responses and replies to replies etc.). The sorting by subject as helldiver 
does seems to be a little step into the right direction (although it takes lots
of time). But a full threading-support would be much better, I think.

>For the future, I hope to have version 1.08 released by the end of January,
>which adds a few requested features and fixes a few bugs.  After that, I'll

The main thing, IMO, would be to increase the performance (giving back idle-time 
etc.) Another nice feature would be an automatic word-wrap within the editor.

>Cheers,

-- 
	Matthias
Xref: sparky comp.bbs.waffle:5424 comp.mail.uucp:2380
From: system@freds.cojones.com (George W. Hayduke)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 10:35:44 AST
Organization: Radio Free Fredbox

martini@heaven7.in-berlin.de (Martin P. Ibert) writes:

> barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) writes:
> > there is no .UUCP DNS registrar, and I don't think there ever should be.
> > the .UUCP hack should just die a slow, painful, agonizing death, to be
> > replaced by more sane domainized addresses.  (like .edu, .com, .us, etc)
> 
> Okay, NOW you are kidding, aren't you? I mean, to say .edu is a SANE
> domainized address must be joke. The only sane top-level domain on your
> list is .us, all other deserve the same fast (!) death that .uucp and .bitnet
> deserve.

Don't forget to inform .sub.org that they can no longer be in .org, ok?
G'bye.

(Look at the bright side -- .arpa is gone.)



      Fred Polsky v1.0, who has been known to handle under George.
            "This is Usenet. Facts are irrelevant here."
 The Fredbox +1 907 344 8437  system@freds.cojones.com  Anchorage, Alaska
Sean "Bandwidth" Ryan's favorite BBS, with lots of neat texts and lunatics.
From: larry@Birdsong.Suvl.CA.US (Lawrence T. Hardiman)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Update on Helldiver
Date: 29 Dec 92 14:51:20 GMT
Reply-To: larry@Birdsong.Suvl.CA.US
Organization: The Birdsong Company, PO Box 2031, Sunnyvale CA 94087-2031

In <D76iwB1w165w@berry.Cary.NC.US> pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) writes:
>larry@Birdsong.Suvl.CA.US (Lawrence T. Hardiman) writes:

>> Lessee here? What is the agenda? ...Cary, NC. Ahhh? Is that where the 
>> IBM company has a development laboratory for OS/2 stuff???
>Yes.
>> Ahhh? Pat, do you work for the IBM company?
>No.
>No hidden agenda here.  I'd simply like to see a native OS/2 version of
>Helldiver.

Just testing! :-)

So, I do have another question.
My understanding is that OS/2 will run Windows applications "out of the box".
If this is the case, then why would anyone want (need) to write 2 platform 
specific implementations of a FreeWare newsreader for Waffle? 

Answering my own question: To get implementation experience on OS/2.

Regards,
  larry.

-- 
--
Larry@Birdsong.Suvl.CA.US
From: coneill@polarbear.rahul.net (Chris O'Neill)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Archive-Server Requests to Halcyon.COM
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 18:17:38 CST
Organization: Polar Bear Heaven BBS - Rankin Inlet, NWT

> > Most failed requests to the archive-server (ANY archive-server)
> > are due to incorrect format of the request....
>
> And as I discovered last night, don't append a signature because the
> server craps out with too many errors.

I've yet to figure out how to get my system to NOT append a signature (yeah, I
know...  I'm a real dummy!), but I'm using the begin-end workaround.  Here's
what I do...

begin
get waffle/whatever/neatstuf.zip
end

The "end" tells halcyon to stop processing, so it doesn't barf on my signature
lines.

Chris

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Polar Bear Heaven BBS, Rankin Inlet, NWT | !@#$@^ computer that turned it
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From: krobt@mom.nova.com (Robert Klotz)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: User-Only type documentation
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 14:52:30 CST
Reply-To: krobt@mom.nova.com (Robert Klotz)
Organization: Nova Research Inst., Norman, OK, USA

jon@vector0.SAC.CA.US  (Dazed N. Confused) writes:

> dwrage@ddt-archives.athens.oh.us (David William Wrage) writes:
> 
> > I'm thinking of editing the USER.DOC file, it's just htat I'm too d*mn lazy
> > really want to do it.  any ideas?
> 
>      Uhm.  Why do users need to know every command, even the restricted
> ones?  Why not have a little more simplicity..
> 
>      NEW   - read new messages
>      RN    - like NEW, but one-key only
>      READ  - Read messages on current newsgroup
>      POST  - Post message on current newsgroup
>      MAIL  - read your mail
>      FILES - download section
>      LIST  - Recent callers
>      STAT  - Your Status (change config, etc)
> 
> 
>      What else do users do, commonly?  Not much else..  I don't see
> much of a reason to document commands more than the above, either.
> Users aren't stupid.  Unless they are.  And then what good are they?
> 

you had better document BYE or you will have them longer than you ever
wanted.

 
Xref: sparky comp.bbs.waffle:5638 comp.bbs.misc:1649 alt.bbs:7760 news.software.readers:2574
From: pls@cibecue.az05.bull.com (Paul Schauble)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.bbs.misc,alt.bbs,news.software.readers
Subject: Offline readers
Summary: Looking for a database reader
Date: 29 Dec 92 09:53:54 GMT
Organization: Bull HN Information Systems, Inc., Phoenix Product Division

Changing the subject, since this thread has long stopped being about Waffle...

I'm looking for a database oriented offline message reader. By this I mean one
that doesn't work on a packet by packet basis, but which copies the packets int
into a running database.

What's available that I should look at?

    ++PLS
From: gwp@dithots.Gwinnett.COM (George W. Pogue)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Mail Servers...
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 17:28:30 EST
Reply-To: gwp@dithots.Gwinnett.COM (George W. Pogue)
Organization: Deep In The Heart Of The South!


  Does there exist a list of mail servers on the net? It would be nice to
  have a list of all available file request servers for access.

  bill

  ps: it might be better to email me since my current host is munging 
  news feeds.

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From: mikey@slic.cts.com (Mike Shirley)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: TMAIL114 released but not announced here
Date: 28 Dec 92 00:32:01 GMT
Organization: Muth Valley Bell  (619/390-SLIC BBS; V32bis)

Here's a copy of the posting in MSDOS-ANN:

Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 18:05:11 EST
From: dcs@witsend.tnet.com
To: MSDOS-Ann@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil
Cc: rschulz@cs.ualberta.ca, dcs@witsend.tnet.com
Subject: TMAIL114.ZIP - TMail: Mail/news shell for UUPC or Waffle BBS
Message-Id: <5089.w8sdz@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil>
Summary: Reposted by Keith Petersen

I have uploaded to WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil:

pd1:<msdos.uucp>
TMAIL114.ZIP    TMail: Mail/news shell for UUPC or Waffle BBS

TMail is a mail/news shell for use on 80x86-based personal computers
running DOS or something like it.  TMail also won't run on 8088 or
8086-based machines.

If you are already using UUPC's mail or PCElm, you can start TMail
right up.  All three mailers are interchangeable, although TMail
will handle much larger mailboxes than the UUPC mail program.

TMail supports an online help facility and is menu-driven using a
mouse.  Although I use UUPC, TMail should work with just about any
connectivity software.  TMail is shareware, although I have decided
to license TMail FREE to real-live charitable organizations.  If you
represent one, drop me some e-mail and I'll fill in the details.

Should you discover a bug in TMail, please do me the courtesy of
narrowing the circumstances enough that I have a chance of
reproducing it and then send me a report at <dcs@witsend.tnet.com>.

------------------

I've sent off a query to the author as I don't have FTP access.
Wonder if halcyon or remote.halcyon have it yet.

Anyone know anything about this reader?

--
     Mike, WB6WUI   //   INET:  mikey@slic.cts.com   //   GEnie: SLIC
From: kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: .QWK mail reader for Waffle
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 00:03:14 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: Iowegia Public Access Usenet/UUCP, Clive IA USA.

nrc@bsbbs.columbus.oh.us (N. Richard Caldwell) writes:

> Yes, passable.  I've been using it since it's been available.  Although 
> it leaves a lot to be desired, it has been servicable and my callers have 
> gotten a lot of use out of the it.

Well, glad it has helped someone. You definatelt had better luck than
I with Wafmail.

> No, I mean "just about any BBS."  What I'm suggesting would be
> compatible with QWK doors already in service in the DOS BBS world and
> others that could developed for the USENET world.  What you're suggesting
> would be compatible only with "RNEWS doors" which would probably never
> see the see the light of day outside the USENET world.

I'm not too concerened about outside the USENET world. I have no desire
to write a Bill Clinton-everything-to-everyone off-line reader system.
But, what I am suggesting has been altered somewhat. See below.

> What would the advantage of that be?  RNEWS may be an even worse
> format for offline message batches than QWK.  RNEWS doesn't allow
> for the difference between mail and news and doesn't provide any of
> the basic facilities for user interaction with the BBS that QWK does
> (news, bulletins, new files, board id, welcome, goodbye, subscribe, 
> unsubscribe).  Add to that the fact that there are currently no
> true offline RNEWS readers and there will never be as many as there
> are QWK readers.  No offense, but it sounds like you're talking about 
> a big effort to reinvent the wheel for no good reason.  

Naw, the wheel exists, C-news overview format. It's used by threaded
news readers, which do exist in true form. Rys has done excellent work
with his HellDiver packet format, and that is what I am going to
support. It does allow for the difference between mail and news, and it
is based on C-news overview format. The "basic facilities" of QWK you
describe seem more like bells and whistles to me, not neccessary for an
off-line reader. Except maybe subscribe and unsubscribe, which isn't
such a bad idea.

--
Kevin Houle     kjhoule@iowegia.uucp
From: tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory Youngblood)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: HELLDIVER running with Win-OS2
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 10:25:54 CST
Reply-To: zeta%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
Organization: TCS Consulting Services

 I just got and tested HELLDIVER 1.07.  Much praise should go to Rhys.
 That looks like an EXCELLENT program.  Some minor things to work out, but
 they may be there already, I didn't read any of the docs.

 One problem.  has anyone gotten this to run with OS/2?  I'm running the GA
 release.  It seems that WINOS2 is not allowed to spawn a dos session so that
 when I try to reply or follow up to a post, the HSEND (or something like
 that) couldn't be run and I was trapped. 

 Any ideas?  Or am I out of luck until I get OS/2 2.1 installed?


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From: dfox@fennec.com (Scott Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Chrome
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 07:37:25 CST
Reply-To: dfox@fennec.com
Organization: Fennec Information Systems / Orbital Data Haven II

pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) writes:

> In all the discussion of Helldiver and other newsreaders for Waffle, no
> one has yet mentioned Chrome.
> 
> Does anyone know if Chrome is still in development?  Or has it been
> abandoned?  I haven't heard any news about it in over a year.

I've tried looking for Chrome...Can't seem to find it. Maybe it's the
best instance of VAP0RWARE...

vap0r-ware (adj.) A piece of software that everyone talks about but
                  never happens. 

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Xref: sparky comp.bbs.waffle:5426 comp.mail.uucp:2382
From: djk@boombox.apana.org.au (David Keegel)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 19:30:02 +1100
Reply-To: David.Keegel@apana.org.au
Organization: Private site, Melbourne, Australia.

ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:

>It is relatively easy to set Waffle up for mail.  It is relatively easy
>to find a site that will route your mail for you (sometimes this might
>be a half-dozen bangpaths down the pike, but...).  It is also easy to
>define your smarthost as : myhost!hishost!bighost.

Wouldn't you just set smarthost to "hishost"?  If hishost doesn't know
what to do with arbitrary mail (by implication it doesn't), it should
use bighost as a smarthost.  If not, complain to postmaster@hishost.

The problem with smarthost: hishost!bighost is that mail for myneighbor
(ie: myhost!hishost!myneighbor!user) goes up to bighost.  And if all
of hishost's feedees (is there a proper word for that?) as leaf nodes,
neither hishost or any of its feedees (including myhost) need to know
about pathalias or anything -- they just know who they talk to.

-- 
David Keegel	Home:	<djk@boombox.apana.org.au>  Tel: +61 3 593-1460