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From: thornton@milton.u.washington.edu (Kenneth Thornton)
Subject: Forthcoming Barnsley Books
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 21:17:34 GMT



I just received info about 2 new books by Barnsley on
Fractals. They are being published by Jones and Bartlett.
You may contact them in the US at 1-800-832-0034. The
descriptions are as follows:

FRACTAL IMAGE COMPRESSION (Dec. 1992)
Michael Barnsley and Lyman Hurd
250pp. 
ISBN 0-86720-457-5
$49.95

"This book explores the science of the fractal transform
in depth. The authors begin with a foundation in information
theory and present the technical background for fractal
image compression. In so doing, they explain the detailed
workings of the fractal transform. Algorithms are illustrated
using source code in C."

THE FRACTAL TRANSFORM (Apr. 1993)
Michael Barnsley and Louisa Anson
250pp.
ISBN 0-86720-218-1
$49.95


"This book is a sequel to the extremeley successful book by
Michael Barnsley, _Fractals_Everywhere_. Without assuming
a great deal of technical knowledge, the authors explain
the workings of the Fractal Transform (tm). The Fractal
Transform is the compression tool for storing high-quality
images in a minimal amount of space on a computer. Barnsley
uses examples and algorithms to explain how to transform
a stored pixel image into its fractal representation."
From: keven@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Keven Ring)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: Re: fractal posters?
Date: 26 Sep 92 16:06:28 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

I have a fractal poster.  I received it for X-Mas, but the company name is 
Art Matrix.  I also have two shirts by them.  No catalogue.  Here's their
address and phone:

  Art Matrix
  P.O. box 880
  Ithaca, New York  14851
  
  1-800-PAX-DUTY   or (607)277-0959 

and the poster was made by:

  Casisco Mathematics
  Burlington, North Carolina  27217

Hope that this is of help!
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: ken@psych.toronto.edu (Ken Seergobin)
Subject: Fractint for OS2
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 23:58:55 GMT

Hi,

Can I make fractint for os2 display the images as
it is drawing them?  At present, the screen goes
black while it is drawing.

Thanks,
Ken
From: vpatel@athena.cs.uga.edu (Viren Patel)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
Subject: Looking for Fractint for DOS machines
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:43:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

Hello fellow fractal enthusiasts. I have two questions:

1. What is the latest version of Fractint for DOS machines?

2. Where can I get this latest version? Ftp sites would be useful.

Thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Sameer Parekh)
Subject: Color banding algorithims
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 18:17:36 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL


	I'm looking for good ways to convert the number of iterations into a
color using a 16 color system.  Right now my algorithim works fine in low
zoom factors, but under larger zooms, it doesn't work. (This is for an
M-set.)
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Newsgroups: alt.fractals,sci.fractals
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: evolution a fractal?
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:04:48 GMT

In article <92276.233418GE0QC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <GE0QC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>From the work done in artificial life/intelligence I always assumed the
>people doing the work held the beliefe that evolution was of a fractal form,
>or atleast had an intuitive feel for it.
>I believe it is. Has there been any formal work done on this matter?
>
>Levi
>ge0qc@cunyvm
>
>"The answer is fractals..."


DNA sequences are fractal-random according to a recent article in Science.
Eukarytes and prokarytes have a different fractal measure.
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: twegner@mwunix.mitre.org (Timothy Wegner)
Subject: Re: Description of IFS fractals?
Keywords: IFS Fractint evolution
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:59:53 GMT

cathy@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Catherine T Vojtas) writes:

>I'm interested in how to create what FRACTINT calls an "IFS" fractal.
>I need to know how the matrix in a .IFS file is used to create an image,
>to incorporate into a program I'm working on involving something similar
>to Richard Dawkins' "Evolution Program".  

The best thing to do is read Michael Barnsley's "Fractals Eeverywhere" rather
than try to figure it out from the Fractint source. 

Each line of Fractint parameters defines a matrix A, and vector B, and a 
probability p. The probabilities are used to select which matrix/vector to
use each iteration.

Start with a seed vector X(0) (choice is not citical, try (1,1) or (1,1,1) 
if you're using three dimensions.) Then create a sequence of vectors X(n):

   X(n+1) = AX(n) + B

(get n+1st vector my multiplying matrix A times nth vector and adding B)

where the matrix A and the vector B are randomly selected from among the
A/B sets using the probabilities. Just plot the sequence X0,X1,X2,... as
you go.

Each A/B set defines a contractive affine transformation (just like a
line ax + b generalized to more dimensions.) Each transformation represents
one self-similarilty of the final image.

I really recommend Barnsley's book, which is written at the university math
level and is self-contained and complete. It is not difficult for those who
have studied some mathematics. If you haven't studied math, you
may want a less abstract treatment. Plenty of them exist, maybe someone here 
can suggest one.
--
Tim Wegner     Fractint co-author
Internet: twegner@mwunix.mitre.org  Compuserve: 71320.675@compuserve.com
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov (Doug Walker)
Subject: Fractal Plants
Reply-To: walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:59:38 GMT

I am interested in generating fractal landscapes.  I have found the
mountain generating code but I need to also generate plants, trees and
shrubs.

Does anyone have a source for this information?

Thanks

Doug
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu (Michael L. Kaufman)
Subject: Re: Fractal Plants
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:22:43 GMT

edgar@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Gerald Edgar) writes:
>The Algorithmic Beauty of Plants, by Prusinkiewicz & Lindanmayer.

I second this. This is a great book, and the images in it are outstanding.

Michael

-- 
Michael Kaufman | I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on
 kaufman        | fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in
  @eecs.nwu.edu | the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be
                | lost in time - like tears in rain. Time to die.     Roy Batty 
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: andre@cs.few.eur.nl (Andre van der Hoek)
Subject: Symposium, call for information
Keywords: march 1993, symposium on chaos/fractals, wishes from you
Organization: Erasmus Universiteit Rotterdam
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:34:21 GMT


Hello everyone,

We're planning to organize a symposium on chaos and/or fractals
at the end of march next year. Now, we're asking you to give us
your opinion on the following question:

   Should we consider the symposium to be on chaos, fractals,
   or a combination of both.

Also we would like to know if you want a certain person to be
one of the lecturer at our symposium      and/or
if you know (or *are*) a certain who wants to be one of the 
lecturer at our symposium.

Finally we would like to know if you would come all the way down to
the Netherlands to attend the symposium.


Thanks for your attention, and we would like to hear from you.

=== Andre ===


-- 
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= Andre van der Hoek.                    E-mail: andre@cs.few.eur.nl =
= Somebody has to be brilliant, but it ain't me, although I hoped so.=
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Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: sabattin@cs.unibo.it (Paolo Sabattini)
Subject: ASK for IFS software & doc about Barnsley's Collage Theorem
Originator: sabattin@radames
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, University of Bologna, Italy
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 10:42:32 GMT



University of Bologna, 30/09/92
From Paolo Sabattini : EMail sabattin@cs.unibo.it

   I'm a student in computer science and I'm looking for documentatio
n and programs about fractals, Barnsley's theorem of Collage, and
image compression with fractal methods.
   If you have some information about this argument,please contact me
at the E-Mail address :
                              
                            sabattin@cs.unibo.it
or send me the documetation via newsgroup in alt.fractals.


     Thank you very much.
                                                     Paolo Sabattini
 



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From: ematias@csri.toronto.edu (Ummm... me!)
Subject: Re: Is there a Unix or X-Windows version of Fractint anywhere?
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Distribution: usa
Date: 2 Oct 92 02:55:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.232158.23630@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
>
>	The title of this message is self-explanatory; all I've seen
>reference to are PC versions.
>
>/Loren

   Yes, there is an ongoing version of Fractint for X/Windows.  The latest
copy will always be available via anonymous FTP from allspice.berkeley.edu.


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Newsgroups: alt.fractals,sci.fractals
From: hakehoe@icaen.uiowa.edu (Heath A. Kehoe)
Subject: Re: MAC woes
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:16:17 GMT
 
 
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Characters:  the code for GIF files is "GIFf" (case is significant).  You
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

Newsgroups: alt.fractals,sci.fractals
From: ian@inf.ethz.ch (Ian)
Subject: Re: evolution a fractal?
Reply-To: badcoe@uk.ac.bristol.bsa or badcoe@ezrz1.vmsmail.ethz.ch
Organization: Dept Biochemistry, University of Bristol, UK
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 18:20:42 GMT


In article <92276.233418GE0QC@CUNYVM.BITNET> GE0QC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
>From the work done in artificial life/intelligence I always assumed the
>people doing the work held the beliefe that evolution was of a fractal form,
>or atleast had an intuitive feel for it.
>I believe it is. Has there been any formal work done on this matter?
>
>Levi
>ge0qc@cunyvm
>
>"The answer is fractals..."

What on earth do you mean by this?
What part of evolution ?
Fractal in what way ?


Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: twegner@mwunix.mitre.org (Timothy Wegner)
Subject: Access to alt.fractals
Summary: How do you access alt.fractals from bitnet
Keywords: bitnet access alt.fractals
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:55:58 GMT

Rollo Silver, the author of the fractals journal Amygdala, would like
to participate in alt.fractals and sci.fractals. He has BITNET access. Alas, I
am only smart enough to type "nn" on my system and I have access to the 
newsgroups with no concept of how it works. Can this conference be accessed 
via BITNET, and if so how? I will be happy to relay the answer to Rollo and
post also on the FRAC-L conference, where I am sure there are other BITNET
folks who would like to know.
--
Tim Wegner     Fractint co-author
Internet: twegner@mwunix.mitre.org  Compuserve: 71320.675@compuserve.com
Newsgroups: alt.fractals,sci.fractals
From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Subject: Is there a Unix or X-Windows version of Fractint anywhere?
Organization: LLNL
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:21:58 GMT

	The title of this message is self-explanatory; all I've seen
reference to are PC versions.

/Loren
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From: vpatel@athena.cs.uga.edu (Viren Patel)
Newsgroups: alt.fractals,sci.fractals
Subject: DOS Fractint Found! (Was: Looking for Fracint for DOS...)
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:03:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

I would like to thank all those who answered my questions. For the benefit of
others who would like to know:

The latest version of Fractint seems to be 17.2, though some mentioned 17.24
(any difference?) and even 18.0.

Fractint is available through anonymous FTP
   site: wuarchive.wustl.edu
   directory: /mirrors/msdos/graphics
   files: frain172.zip ==> executables (400000+ bytes)
          frasr172.zip ==> source code (700000+ bytes)

I suppose it is available at other ftp sites also (through mirrors etc)

Again, thanks to everybody who reponded.


						V. Patel
						vpatel@athena.cs.uga.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fractals
From: vwulpen@cs.kuleuven.ac.be (Henk Van Wulpen)
Subject: Fractint for Macintosh ?
Organization: Dept. Computerwetenschappen
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:52:14 GMT

Hi,

   a friend of mine was pretty impressed when I showed him the fractint-
program (He should be, too ! =)). Unfortunately, he doesn't have a PC.
His question : Is there a Macintosh-version of Fractint (or a similar,
i.e. excellent, program) ? Where is it available and can I download it 
for him ?
   Thanks !


Henk

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From: levene@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (Robert A. Levene)
Newsgroups: alt.messianic
Subject: Re: Very Old Question For Rob Levene
Date: 5 Oct 1992 13:32:41 -0500
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Laura Manninen writes:

> Chabad has declared the Rebbe dead. (I'm afraid I threw away the newspaper
> where I saw that...)

My friends in Chabad inform me that the Rebbe is alive, and even
addressed his community this past Rosh Hashana.  Perhaps your
newspaper's translation was faulty.

Rob
From: Harvey.Smith@p0.f1.n7002.z8.FIDONET.ORG (Harvey Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.messianic
Subject: Re: Judaizers in Colossians
Date: 25 Sep 92 23:19:22 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 8:7002/1.0

To :B Tiffany@pbs.org

>> (1) The group in question taught things focusing on the elemental spirits
 
>> of the universe.
> 
> TA=>What does that mean?  Why does this mitigate against Judaizers?
> 
>> (2) They were into angel-worship.
> 
>> (3) They were into ascetic practices ("self-mortification"; "do not 
handle
>> this, do not taste that, do not touch the other"; "forced piety";
> 
 b=>You're just wasting your time, Harvey.  I explained all this in 
 b=>great detail

Yup anyone could see the above, but since you brought it up i will not need 
to.  Judaism definitely did not do such.  We believed in the worship only of 
the one True God, worship of angels was and is forbidden, they followed 
astrology, signs, etc...  Judaism did not.  Judaism definitely did not and 
does not believe in self mortification except on Yom Kippur, and that is a 
biblical injunction.

The only thing i would addd to your list, is that God would never command 
Israel to any of the above things, which are an abomination to him.  That 
makes it plain and simple..

The folks at Collosse were by nature philosophers and Astrologers, and they 
believed in Self and not God...


--  
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From: topcat!tom@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com (Tom Albrecht)
Newsgroups: alt.messianic
Subject: Re: Clean and Unclean  n
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:52:47 GMT
Organization: Applied Presuppositionalism, Ltd.

Donna.D'Iorio@f7022.n124.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Donna D'Iorio) writes:

>     The point for believers is not so much how one may celebrate a
> bibilical Yom Kippur these days, but how *G-d* will continue to fulfill
> His **mo'ed** "set times" or "appointed times" with Israel.  For the
> spring feasts have seen prophetic fulfillment, and the fall feasts are
> yet to be prophetically fulfilled by G-d.

Interesting theory.  The new covenant points to the fulfillment of the
spring feast (which does in a general sense) in the context of the coming
of Messiah.  But where in the new covenant does it differentiate between
spring and fall fulfillment.  Where does the new covenant teach that one
(spring) has been fulfilled while the other (fall) hasn't?

Besides, what does all this have to do with the ritual requirement and the
MJ and rabbinic belief that the feasts can still be observed within the
context of the new covenant without the shedding of blood?

I would appreciate a thoughtful, biblical analysis.

Thanks.

--                       The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand,
Tom Albrecht             until I make thy enemies thy footstool.
                         The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of
                         Zion: rule thou in the midst of thy enemies.
                         Thy people [shall be] willing in the day of thy power,
                         in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the
                         morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth. (Ps. 110:1-3)
From: Bill.Carlson@p0.f18.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Carlson)
Newsgroups: alt.messianic
Subject: Out Of Context Zohar Passage Clarifi
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:07:01 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/18.0 - Midrash, Denver CO

To: levene@aplpy.jhuapl.edu

 RAL> Date: 5 Oct 92 12:47:04 GMT
 RAL> Organization: Johns Hopkins University
 RAL> Message-ID: <9210051246.AA11189@aplpy.jhuapl.edu>
 RAL> Newsgroups: alt.messianic

                 -=> Quoting Robert A. Levene <=-
 RAL> A friend of mine wishes to submit the following:
 RAL> 
 RAL> -!--- BEGIN

     Tell your "friend" thanks for the information.  However, while I
     appreciated the commentary on the Zohar, the ref.'s I gave are
     found only in the Amsterdam Zohar, (which are markedly different
     than any other version), and was a word for word quotation of the
     English found there.

                  The Jewish Encyclopedia further says,
     in Vol. 12, page 261: 'The Cabala, on the other hand, especially
     the Zohar, its fundamental work, was far less hostile to the
     dogma of the Trinity, since by its speculations regarding the
     Father, the Son, and the Spirit, it evolved a new trinity....'"

     Also, of the English translators, who worked on the first English
     translation this century, Dr. Paul Levertoff himself started a
     Chassidic Tri-Unity Orthodox movement. (Ref. The History of Jewish
     Christianity pg.141, by Hugh Schonfield -{author of the Passover
     plot}.

          I would suggest that your friend, short of getting a
     Amsterdam version of Zohar, might like to see the entire subject
     discussed more fully in: The Great Mystery -or- How Can Three Be
     One, by Rabbi Tzvi Nassi/Hirsch Prinz.  Somewhat as well in:
     Messiah, A Rabbinic And Scriptural Viewpoint, by Burt Yellin.  And
     should he not be able to find these, I'm sure that Harvey Smith
     would be willing to sell him them from his Shule store-house.
     (plug :-)

          Sorry though he went to all that trouble for a misconception
     on his part though; but I did save the post to disk. :-)  Perhaps
     instead of my just mentioning, (on occasion), that these
     particular quotes are only in the Amsterdam version - I should
     note it each time that I post one of these quotes, (which I'll
     start to do, being convinced that this is a good idea).
          You might also mention, that when he says:

     RAL's friend> ...It could easily be understood as an effort to
     RAL's friend> deceive and/or mislead.

          -I find it is usually good to follow the Mitsvot of Torah
          before making such claims against another.  It helps to
          ascertain if one really has a case, before trying to 'second
          guess' the motives of another.

          Other than that, why don't you try to get 'your friend' on-
          line here?  He sounds quite knowledgable.  What is his name
          btw...?

... 012 Sh'ma Yisrael: HaShem - El*hienu - HaShem ECHAD! ... 210            
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From: allenmk@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (The Not So Tall Adventurer)
Subject: Re: My Heritage
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 06:29:37 GMT

Harvey.Smith@p0.f1.n7002.z8.FIDONET.ORG (Harvey Smith) writes:

>And you have your head in the sand.  It is done always.  On gentiles and 
>jews.  So now we have the actual case.  Gentiles get circumcized because 
>they were taught it keeps women from getting cervical cancer. Certainly 

Women don't get cervical cancer because their sons are circumcised?  I'm a
Gentile and I've never heard this.  In fact, the only reason I've ever heard of
for circumcision is that given in the Old Testament when God establishes it as
a symbol of His covenant with Abraham.  But that's just one Gentile's point of
view.

Melinda Allen
-- 
Melinda K. Allen                  The LORD is close to the brokenhearted 
allenmk@ucsu.colorado.edu       and saves those who are crushed in spirit.   
allenmk@tramp.colorado.edu			               Psalm 34:18
From: btiffany@pbs.org
Newsgroups: alt.messianic
Subject: Re: Maimonides on the Trinity
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:17:24 GMT
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

#3318

Subject: Re: Maimonides on the Trinity  - (was( old) Question For Rob Levene)
From: levene@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (Robert A. Levene)
Date: 25 Sep 1992 07:02:14 -0500

>> Maimonides, the greatest rabbi and codifier of your "fundemental principles"
>> of Judaism - stated that it was false that the Christian concept of the
>> Trinity involved "belief in another diety,"
> 
>I think you're confusing what's permitted for Jews to believe
>and what's permitted for gentiles to believe.  To which
>statements of Maimonides do you refer?
> 
>Some codifiers would say that for gentiles, belief in a mandatory
>intercessor or "assistant" to G-d would be OK, others still call that
>idolatry.

This sounds so much like Greek philosophy .. but then, that is where
Rabbinic Judaism has its roots.

Truth is not relative, Rob, and it doesn't do anyone any good to believe
a lie.

God has made *the* way to Him.  We cannot invent our own ways -- our little
"point systems" -- and expect God to accept them.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

     /\
____/__\____		Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth and
\  / || \  /		the life; no one comes to the Father, but
 \/--++--\/		through Me."
 /\  ||  /\
/  \ || /  \					-- John 14:6
----\--/----
     \/			-- Bruce Tiffany