HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: szhang@brahms.udel.edu (Shangyou Zhang)
Subject: 4 dummy problem.  Re: Can you make it?
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:23:50 GMT

In article <Bxy0yy.1ow@news.udel.edu> szhang@brahms.udel.edu (Shangyou Zhang) writes:
>I played this hand on okbridge (A hand of GPS, if wrong 
>				please correct me):
>S AKx
>H KTx
>D xxx
>C A98x
>
>S xx
>H AQJxxx
>D Qxx
>C Tx
>
>Pass(east)-p-1d-1N(*)  -p-4H-all pass.  (*) precision 1N, 16+ with D stoper.
>
>The lead is CK.  Tell me your line of play.  Thanks.
>
>sy (Shangyou Zhang, U of Delaware)

Sorry, under a good defense, it will not make.  Let me change the problem.
>>    S AKx
>>    H KTx
>>    D xxx
>>    C A98x
>S Jxxx       S Qxxx
>H xx         H xx
>D AKJx       D xxx
>C KQx        C Jxxx
>>
>>    S xx
>>    H AQJxxx
>>    D Qxx
>>    C Tx
>
CK holds.  West switched to DK. the  switched to low S.  4H is cold now.
( I think I am right this time. )

However, if west did not play DK after winning CK, can 4H be made? I think no.

What if west leads DK, then shifts to low S, can 4H be made? I think no.

sy (Shangyou Zhang, U of Delaware)
From: doug@cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Douglas Newlands)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: nasty experience at hands of LOL's
Date: 18 Nov 1992 05:38:22 GMT
Organization: Deakin University, Geelong, Australia
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sauron.cm.deakin.oz.au

Last night I was playing matchpoints at the local club with a friend.
Our system was very basic, no negative doubles or any other silly doubles
 - we started with an 800 penalty at the 2 level and continued from there).
But such successes are not the point of the story. Later I held
AK92 J4 AK4 QJ93 at love all and heard the auction proceed

   N     E    S    W
   1C    X    XX   1S
   2C    2H   ?

Partner's 1C was better minor and 2C warned that he might be short on
defensive vaues as normal. Clearly a punt at 5C is rather likely to be
successful but let's look a little more closely. W appears to have nothing and
the doubler can't have more than a dozen points and therefore must be close to
ideal shape but on the other hand she refused spades; 2542 maybe. Where can she
develop tricks, ruff a club on table maybe but that's all.
It seems certain to go off so, manfully masterminding, I doubled. (Partner had
missed a couple of juicy ones earlier). I also thought I should lead hearts
and then play clubs after dummy had been neutered. To my horror, the rho LOL
turned up with xx AKTxxxx xxx x , dummy turned up with QJxx Qxx xxx xxx and to
rub salt into the wounds partner gave a ruff and discard later in the play so
the damn thing made.

Nobody seemed interested in my logic
nor was anyone terribly sympathetic :-(

I wonder where she learned that little trick?

doug
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From:  (martino@courier6.aero.org(Nick Martino))
Subject: Re: Some problems from the Finnish Pair Championships
Followup-To: rec.games.bridge
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:08:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.124627.2922@nntp.hut.fi>, m36150p@kaira.hut.fi (Janne
Veikko Petteri Kallunki) wrote:
> 
> Oops...I wrote to the problem 1 wrong deal but the situation is anyway same.
> This was the deal I meant:
> 
> E/ALL
> S (you)
> AK5
> Q742
> T6
> AQ62
> 
> E   S
> 2S  ?
> 
> What do you bid?
Pass.  This one is closer. 

> Is there any difference between these two hands?
>
Quite a difference.  Over a vulnerable 2S, KJx is worth almost as much as
AKx.  Therefore, the hand below is worth 3 or 4 points more than the one
above.  Actually, 2NT with the hand below is a bit of an underbid if you
play 16-18.
 
> >Problem 1
> >N/NS
> >W (you)
> >KJ8
> >KQJ8
> >AJ4
> >J85
> >
> >N   E   S   W
> >p   p   2S  ?
> >

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Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From: zilch@planb.Eng.Sun.COM (John Hoffman)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: Problems from Portland
Date: 17 Nov 1992 20:23:37 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: zilch@planb.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: planb

>> 1. None vul. East dealer. You are West: AJ9542, T, Q7, AT32
>>
>> West   North   East   South
>>                pass   pass
>> 1S-1   1N-2    pass   2D       1. 11-15 HCP, at least 4 spades
>> pass   2H      (all pass)      2. 15-17
>>
>> After West passed, South announced that there had been
>> a failure to alert, and that 2D was a transfer to 2H.
>> The director then permitted West to take back his final
>> pass if he wished.  What do you do?
>
> Pass anyway.  This is a team game.  Partner could have doubled to show
> decent values, or could have bid a new suit (non-forcing) over 1N.

Oops.  On rereading the original, I see it was Flight B Open Pairs,
not an IMPS team game.  I still pass, with awareness
that it could give us a bad result if partner has the right
6 or 7 HCP and a doubleton spade.  More likely, partner
has 5 mediocre hearts and a singleton spade.

I would have opened 2S and avoided much of this mess.
From: varvel@cs.utexas.edu (Donald A. Varvel)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: Would you re-open?  (Problem from Jeff Rubens' book)
Date: 19 Nov 1992 20:22:34 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Nov19.005001.4614@netcom.com> rudy@netcom.com (Rudy) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.204648.18476@midway.uchicago.edu> pynq@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>Matchpoints, none vul.  You hold: T9xxxx,x,-,xxxxxx
>>The auction:

>>LHO	P	RHO	Y
>>===	=	===	=
>>1D	p	1H	p
>>3H	p	p	?

>>	2) Do you bid 3S in:
>>		d) A very good field (one of Asya's home games)

>On this type of hand I would very much like to bid 2NT at my first turn
>(assuming it's for the unbid suits).  We are white and it takes off the
>pressure to decide the second round of the auction.

>[Boy, I sure hope this gets me invited to one of Asya's home games! ;-)]


Asya!  Do I get to answer this one?  Please?

A *bridge* game?  I doubt it.

You *do* seem to have a rather strong masochistic streak, however ...

-- Don Varvel (varvel@cs.utexas.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From: rudy@netcom.com (Rudy)
Subject: Orlando results 
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 08:50:59 GMT

First three Natinoals Events in Orlando being done here are the results
(partial results, anyway)

LM Open Pairs:
1. Michael Rosenberg - Michael Kamil
2. Eric Rodwell - Jeff Meckstroth
3. Daniel Boye - Asya Kamsky

LM Women's Pairs:
1. Shawn Womack - Jan Cohen

Sorry, I missed the Non-LM Pairs results.
From: kibler@turing.ICS.UCI.EDU (Dennis Kibler)
Subject: bidding problem
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:42:40 GMT

Playing 2/1 GF and no opposition how do you
recommend bidding the following hands.

Opener:  KQxx,A,AQxxx,109x


Responder: Ax,Qxx,10xx,AKQJ8

dennis
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From: greg@athena.cs.uga.edu (Greg Whitlock)
Subject: faq?
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:52:53 GMT

Is there a faq for this group?  If so will someone please forward me
a recent copy?

thanks.

-greg
From: brl@kopasker.is (Bjorgvin Runar Leifsson)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Icelandair Open
Date: 21 Nov 92 01:36:14 GMT
Reply-To: brl@kopasker.is (Bjorgvin Runar Leifsson)
Organization: Kopasker Primary, Iceland

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     The tournament will be held in the recently renovated Hotel Loftleidir 
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Bjorgvin R. Leifsson
brl@kopasker.is
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From: reha@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (reha.gur)
Subject: Re: Which inference is better, WAS - "finesse or play for the drop"
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:58:50 GMT


>
>Easly Blackwood (I think) came with the following rule: If your shortest suit
>is divided 3-1 or worse (I mean 3-1, 4-0, 2-1, 2-0, 1-1 or 1-0) then finesse.
>
>In all other situations play for the drop.
>
>This of course when there are no other indications. It was tested on many
>givs, and with a remarcable result.
>

Easley also analyzed lots of computer and hand dealt deals and
his conclusions are worth paying attention to. He concluded that you should
play for the finesse on hand dealt hands when you have no other information and
that on computer dealt hands you should do whatever was right. This is from
the the book "Expert Bridge" by Milt Steinberg(sp?).

On the topic of Cohens new book "Law of Total Tricks" subtitled "How
to hestitate for long periods of time in high-level competitive auctions",
I think it is truly a great technical book. But practically speaking
the simplified version of the LAW (bid to the level of combined trump
between you and your partner) is all you need for 99.9% of most competitions.

reha
From: bpwing@phoenix.princeton.edu (Ben Wing)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: Reopening decision
Date: 17 Nov 92 09:43:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: apadravy.48628
Organization: Princeton University
X-Subliminal-Message: You can quit reading news anytime you want.

In article <9211161347.aa27259@Paris.ics.uci.edu> kibler@turing.ICS.UCI.EDU (Dennis Kibler) writes:
|
|In rec.games.bridge you write:
|
|
|>You hold:
|
|> T7 J86 AT843 984
|
|>in a Board-a-Match game, red vs white, RHO is dealer.
|
|>Auction goes:
|
|>RHO Partner  LHO   You
|>P   1S 3H P
|>P   D  P  ???
|
|This will be fun as I have just read Cohen's book on the Law of Total
|Tricks (To Bid or not to Bid). Criticisms of my reasoning and
|application of the LAW (as Cohen is fond of saying), are welcomed.
|
|
|  Partner has a good hand (15+) and no more than 6 spades.
|So we have 7-8 spades. LHO has 6-7 hearts and his partner
|probably has 2, giving them 8-9 hearts.  So I estimate the
|number of total tricks to be 16 maybe 17. If we can make 4 spades,
|they will be down 3-4. If we can make 3 spades, they are down
|2-3. If we can make 2 spades, they are down 1-2. Hmnn, ---
|  Makes it easy no? I pass like a shot.
|
|Well has the LAW made this an easy problem?

Note that 3Hx down 3 is not a good score vs. 4S making, at this vulnerability.
3Hx down 1 vs. 3S making is not a good score either.  I think I would just
bid 3S at this vulnerability.  Maybe pass at other vuls, but too many
possible disasters as it is.

ben
--

"Can't we all just get along?"
From: kibler@turing.ICS.UCI.EDU (Dennis Kibler)
Subject: Re: Reopening decision
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:49:29 GMT


In rec.games.bridge you write:


>You hold:

>	T7 J86 AT843 984

>in a Board-a-Match game, red vs white, RHO is dealer.

>Auction goes:

>RHO	Partner	LHO	You
>P	1S	3H	P
>P	D	P	???

This will be fun as I have just read Cohen's book on the Law of Total
Tricks (To Bid or not to Bid). Criticisms of my reasoning and
application of the LAW (as Cohen is fond of saying), are welcomed.


  Partner has a good hand (15+) and no more than 6 spades.
So we have 7-8 spades. LHO has 6-7 hearts and his partner
probably has 2, giving them 8-9 hearts.  So I estimate the
number of total tricks to be 16 maybe 17. If we can make 4 spades,
they will be down 3-4. If we can make 3 spades, they are down
2-3. If we can make 2 spades, they are down 1-2. Hmnn, ---
  Makes it easy no? I pass like a shot.

Well has the LAW made this an easy problem?

dennis
From: avl0@cine88.cineca.it
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Looking for MSDOS programs
Date: 19 Nov 92 11:47:34 +0100
Organization: CINECA, Italian Interuniversity comp. centre

I'm sorry if this is a FAQ!
Does someone know a *GOOD* MSDOS program playing bridge? 
I know two of them but they seem very weak pleyers.
...Or must I infer that it's harder to make a bridge program than a chess one?
		thanks in advace
-- 
"To be                     /// Marco Voli
 or not to be             /// Supercomputing Group
 that is the problem"    /// CINECA  Interuniversitary Computing Centre
 W.S.                   /// via Magnanelli 6/3 - 40033 Casalecchio (BO) ITALY
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From: ddowney@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (douglas b downey)
Subject: Bridge pc games
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: rec.games.bridge
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:00:56 GMT

I'm having difficulty finding a bridge freebie for the pc.  Can anyone
direct me to an ftp site or bulletin board?

PLease e-mail.

Doug Downey








Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From: sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Steve Myerson)
Subject: Problems from Portland
Keywords: Just two fewer mistakes...
Organization: Raytheon Company
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:00:24 GMT

These hands are from the Flight B Open Pairs in Portland, Maine (Nov 14).

Get any two correct and you win the event.

1. None vul. East dealer. You are West: AJ9542, T, Q7, AT32

West   North   East   South
               pass   pass
1S-1   1N-2    pass   2D       1. 11-15 HCP, at least 4 spades
pass   2H      (all pass)      2. 15-17

After West passed, South announced that there had been
a failure to alert, and that 2D was a transfer to 2H.
The director then permitted West to take back his final
pass if he wished.  What do you do?

2. Both vul. South dealer. You are East: T74, KJ52, K7, Q975

West   North   East   South
                      1D-1     1. Shows at least 4
dbl    1S      dbl-2  1N       2. Responsive, 6-9 HCP
pass   5D      ?

Your call.

3. NS vul. West dealer. You are West: Q863, J63, 632, AQ6

West   North   East   South
pass   1C      2N-1   3H       1. 6-12 HCP, at least 4 spades and 4 diamonds
3S     4H      pass   pass        with at least 9 cards total in the 2 suits
?

Your call.

4. Both vul. South dealer. You are North: QJ95, T97, AKT762, void

West   North   East   South
                      1S-1     1. 11-15 HCP, at least 4 spades
pass   2C-2    2H     pass-*   2. artificial, forcing to game
3H     ?                          opener may not pass short of game
                                  2C bidder may pass short of game on misfit

* - To help with the bidding system:

  double - would be for penalties
  2S - would show 5
  2N - would show a heart stopper
  3m - better than minimum opening plus a suit

so the pass says only 4 spades, no heart suit or decent stopper,
not a distributional hand, and on the low end of the HCP range (11-13).
In other words, your basic garbage balanced opener with 4 spades.

5. NS vul. East dealer. You are South: 9, J4, AK7654, JT94

West   North   East   South
               pass   ?

Do you preempt or not?

Steve Myerson (sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com)
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:38:25 -0500 
From: David Reeve Sward <sward+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: NEW MONSTER

Excerpts from netnews.rec.games.moria: 15-Nov-92 Re: NEW MONSTER by Scot
Salmon@jlc.mv.com 
> No more than a WoWB would kill any other monster.  His mushrooms moves normal
> speed (just does not deign to chase intruders).  The WoWB might kill it by
> causing sufficient damage, but on that logic, one could use a WoWB to kill
> an AMHD.

Hey! I *have* killed several ?MHDs with the WoWB...

Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
From: scot@jlc.mv.com (Scot Salmon)
Subject: Re: ULTIMATE GHOST (Muhahaha)
Organization: John Leslie Consulting, Milford NH
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:31:54 GMT

In article <t4w1!q-@rpi.edu> petitc@rpi.edu writes:
>The Grim Reaper:
>It can...gaze to disenchant

Can any normal monster do this?  Like maybe the Balrog?  It seems like an
especially nasty attack, especially for a monster you can't beat in one or
two rounds. 

I mean, you can back off from a disenchanter bat or mold or whatever if you
need to, but gazing...nasty.

-- 
"Man himself is so unlikely that if he did not          | Scot Salmon
 exist, his possibility would not be worth discussing." | scot@jlc.mv.com
                                    - Damon Knight      | 101010 222 52 2A...
From: f1toyl@uta.fi (Topi Ylinen)
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
Subject: Re: Mages Priests -- the battle continues
Date: 20 Nov 92 09:37:55 GMT
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

In article <1992Nov19.175429.28234@muddcs.claremont.edu> dgreen@jarthur.claremo
nt.edu (David Green) writes:
>In some article "Joseph E. Beck" <jb8n+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>->Yes, the [identify] scrolls take up an inventory slot, but mages
>->have to use a slot for Word of Recall scrolls.
>
>So do priests.  What's your point?

How long do you normally stay underground? I tend use some 50 identify spells
per _ONE_ WoR scroll. Yup, always identify everything which might be useful.
That would mean you'd need to carry a *REAL LOT* of identify scrolls as (ever
heard of weight limits?) as opposed to a minimum of 2 WoR scrolls.

Der Wanderer
Magic-user, level 39
Currently at 6500'
Mages rule o.k.

Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
From: jhpace@eos.ncsu.edu (Jerrold H. Pace)
Subject: compilng Xmoria
Originator: jhpace@c00749-400wi.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jhpace@eos.ncsu.edu (Jerrold H. Pace)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:57:42 GMT


I got the new Xmoria off of ker. as soon as I saw the post, but I seem to be
missing the explanation on how to compile it.  I run the program on a DEC 5000/
25, with Unix 4.2a and a color monitor.  Yes, I know how to uncompress and 
how to untar, but I need to know how to compile the programs.  Please e-mail
me - I plan to be out from Nov. 25 to Nov. 30.

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From: greyhelm@cis.ksu.edu (Karl S. Hagen)
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
Subject: Re: Moria ftp sites
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:50:19 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: cygnus.cis.ksu.edu

abaddon@supr.scm.liv.ac.uk (Kevin o donovan) writes:

>What ftp sites contain the sources for the latest version of Moria? The latest
>version I've found for my machine (Atari ST) is 5.22, and I quite fancy
>compiling my own version.


     As far as I know the only official site for Moria is:

      ftp.cis.ksu.edu    pub/Games/Moria    

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From: mjb@acsu.buffalo.edu (Matthew J. Bernhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
Subject: Proposal: Beefing up "Holy Word" V
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:28:28 GMT
Organization: UB


	Well, it's about that time for another Holy Word update.   As always,
the proposal:

Changes to Holy Word:

	- Reduce the failure rate by 10-15%, from around 80% now.

	- Add the following powers (right now Holy Word Dispels Evil, Removes
Fear, Cures Poison, and Restores 1000 HP):
	Call Light, Prayer, Protection from Evil, Remove Curse, Sanctuary, 
Turn Undead, and Randomly Restore a Stat.

	Now, we have two new thoughts this time around.

	1. Some readers have argued that the priest class is currently too
powerful, and that changing Holy Word would only accentuate that.  This is
clearly an open point of discussion, and one that is worth encouragement.
However, in relation to Holy Word, my opinion is that it should not be used
as the handicap to offset any advantage a priest might have.  Why?
	- I find it inconsistent and unfair to those players with priests out
there (yes, this includes me ;-) ) to have to wait until level 39 to receive
a pathetically useless prayer.  It is this that I am trying to correct.
	- How effective a handicap is a defective Holy Word, when it does not
enter into prominence until level 39?  What handicap is there for the previous
38 levels?
	
	2. There was a suggestion (from jhf@acsu.buffalo.edu, if memory serves)
to incorporate Blind Creature into Holy Word.  Three questions come to mind:

	- How should it be implemented? (Outward in 8 directions, area effect,
or what?)
	- How difficult would it be to implement?
	- Should it be implemented?

-- 
Matt Bernhardt
University of Buffalo            If it is to be, it is up to me.
mjb@acsu.buffalo.edu
From: f1toyl@uta.fi (Topi Ylinen)
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
Subject: Re: NEW MONSTER
Date: 16 Nov 92 08:26:41 GMT
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

In article <sf1M75q00iUx03TWEo@andrew.cmu.edu> sward+@CMU.EDU (David Reeve Swar
d) writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.rec.games.moria: 14-Nov-92 Re: NEW MONSTER by
>Christopher J. Petit@nug 
>> 20d25. It can open doors, kill weaker creatures and breed explosively. It is
>                                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>ick!
>

So what? If I want some treasure, I use a wand of clone monster a couple 
of times on some dragons other than black (no "R" armour UC)....
Most young dragons are not much tougher than Gelatinous Cubes for me.

--

Der Wanderer
Magic-user, level 39



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