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From: stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Lesbian Visibility on Roseanne
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:21:09 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Nov11.195743.670@Princeton.EDU> sbgreene@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Steven Greene) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.110758.23595@hemlock.cray.com> steven@cray.com (Steven Levine) writes:
>>Even more intriguing
>>to me, her cosmetologist lover was played by Morgan Fairchild.
>
>Yes, my favorite Morgan Fairchild quote is something along the
>lines of, "What happens if the virus goes airborne?"  She uttered
>this beaut in a fundie anti-gay propaganda video a few years back
>(referring to HIV, of course).

If I remember correctly, she played a kind of devil's advocate on that show,
asking questions about AIDS that a lot of uninformed and frightened people
were asking. The answers that followed the questions (Can I get AIDS from 
shaking hands? Can I get infected from swimming in a public pool?) and her
reactions didn't seem to me to point to "fundie anti-gay propaganda." 

I've also heard that she's very active in some "non-fundie" causes, such as 
Pro Choice, etc.
From: jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Moonshine, the election, and you
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:15:24 GMT
Organization: 3L Ltd, 86/92 Causewayside, Edinburgh EH9 1PY, UK

In article <1992Nov4.182403.10018@gordian.com>,
mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:

>   Please, please, please figure it out boys and girls, it was the
> Evil Pat Twins and all they stand for.

I was watching the BBC's coverage of the election returns,
and the highlight for me was an interview with Pat
Buchanan, who was not enjoying life :-)  He was saying that
there hadn't been *enough* concentration on family values
and the threat to the American way of life from perverts
and abortion etc etc; meanwhile, the interviewer was asking
incredulously, "Surely you can't have expected anyone to
vote for that?   Surely you can't imagine that any large
number of women would vote to make all abortions illegal?"
and so on... 

--John
From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: The UNofficial Colorado address list.
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:46:18 GMT
Reply-To: entropy@world.std.com
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.

I've put together all the Colorado addresses I could find here into a
single list. 

------------------------------------------------------------------------


          ----- The UNofficial list of Colorado Companies -----

Additions, corrections, etc. may be mailed to entropy@world.std.com, or to
'boycott' at the BBS number listed below. The latest version of the list can
be found on the soc.motss USENET newsgroup. Or can be downloaded from
1-508-793-9568, type 'file' after login (type 'new' for a new account the
first time) , and then download the file 'colorado.txt' in the 'misc' 
directory.

Please tell me if any of these companies have anti discrimination clauses,
so I can note that fact. Information about brand names etc. would also
be appreciated.

The following information was compiled from information posted to soc.motss.

Companies:

Colorado Memory Systems                         1-800-432-5858
800S Taft Ave., Loveland CO 80537
Products: Colorado tape backup systems

Coor Brewing Co                                 1-800-642-6116
Golden, CO 80401
Products: Coors beer

Current, Inc.                                   1-800-525-7170
POB 2559, Colorado Springs, CO 80901

Diners Club International                       1-800-525-9135
183 Inverness Dr. West, Englewood, CO 80112

Focus on the Family                             1-719-531-3400
420 N Cascade Ave, Colorado Springs, CO  80903
(Ye Olde Family Values Fascists)

KOAA-TV Channels 5/30,Attn: John O. Gilbert     1-719-632-5030
530 Communication Circle, Colorado Springs, CO  80906
(Ran an editorial supporting #2)

Gazette Telegraph                               1-719-636-0210
30 South Prospect, Colorado Springs, CO  80903
(Ran an editorial supporting #2)

Manville Corp.                                  1-800-654-3101
PO Box 5108, Denver, CO 80217-5108

Perkins Chrysler Plymouth Alfa Romeo            1-719-475-2330
1205 Motor City Dr., Colorado Springs, CO 80906
(President of CFV, group behind #2)

Teledyne Water Pik                              1-800-525-2774
1730 East Prospect St., Ft. Collins, CO 80553-0001

Vicorp Restaurants                              1-303-296-2121
400 W. 48th Ave, Denver, CO 80216

Walter Drake and Sons                           1-719-596-3140
Drake Bldg., Colorado Springs, CO 80940-0001

US WEST, Inc.                                   1-800-usw-help
Orchard Falls Bldg., 7800 E. Orchard Rd., Englewood, CO 80111-2533

Government:

Colorado Springs Convention and Visitors Bureau 1-719-635-7506
104 S Cascade Ave, Colorado Springs, CO  80903

State Travel Bureau                             1-800-433-2656


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From: pauli@uniblab.asd.sgi.com (Paul Isaacs)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Robertson Davies
Date: 12 Nov 1992 02:40:07 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: world
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Uh!  This author really does it for me!
I just finished "The Deptford Trilogy" and now I've 
begun "The Cornish Trilogy".

I thought of you all when I came to this passage...

"...Am I shocking you, Maria?"
    "Certainly not by telling me you're one of the Gays."
    "Ah, but I'm not, you see; I'm one of the Sads, and one of the
Uglies. The Gays make me laugh; they're so middle class and
political about the whole thing.  They'll destroy it all with their 
clamour about Gay Lib. and alternative life-styles, and all love is
holy, and 'both partners must be squeaky clean'. That's putting
the old game on a level with No-Cal pop or decaffeinated coffee--
appearance without reality. Strip it of its darkness and danger and
what is left? An eccentricity, as if I stuck this spaghetti into my
ear instead of into my mouth.  Now that would be an alternative 
life-style, and undoubtedly a perversion, but who whould care?
No: let my sin be Sin or it loses all stature."

pauli.

P.S.   For whoever asked last week:
       It was I who initiated the Hepburn/Calla Lilly thread.
       To recap: I watched "Stage Door", and the line sounded 
       familiar, possibly form "Long Days Journey."  So I posted
       here for more info.
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: A fan letter (was Re: discrimination at CMU)
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:29:07 GMT

In article <1e0trhINNe5b@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>And it's not just that people seem incapable of grasping the
>difference between academic and performing arts college 
>programs, or that there's a misunderstanding about the nature 
>and purpose of theater programs.  

Some of us are graduates of performing arts programs and
have professional experience in the performing arts, and
disagree with you quite strenuously.

I rather doubt that your position on this has to do with
internalized homophobia, however.
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           Hate is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado

       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: the purpose of soc.motss (was: off-topic discussions)
Date: 9 Nov 1992 13:52:03 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Nov9.004411.5278@reed.edu> 
nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

> I know. Let's split soc.motss! Yeah! Here's what I propose:

Yippie!

> soc.motss.mean (moderated by adolphso@usc.edu)

I can already see soc.motss.mean splitting into 
soc.motss.curmudgeon and soc.motss.bitchy despite
my attempts to hold the factions together.

Arne
From: pgr@crhc.uiuc.edu (Paul Ryan)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Date: 12 Nov 1992 22:48:50 -0600
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: copland.crhc.uiuc.edu

lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:

>In article <1992Nov12.011000.11407@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  
>mritchie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael S Ritchie) writes:

>} Check out the *two* Marky mark ads right up front in
>} the latest Esquire (the one with Winona Ryder on the cover).
>} Keepers, fer sure!

>You guys cease to amaze me ...

>No one here knows a fucking thing about what Marky Mark thinks  
>of GLB issues.  

Actually, we do.  It was reported on soc.motss a while ago that some gay
fans showed up at a video shooting.  They characterized his response
to their interest as het, but friendly, accepting, complimented and not
at all phobic.

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From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Colorado's Amendment 2
Date: 6 Nov 92 09:12:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Nov6.091201.18070
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <1992Nov5.222529.20976@nevada.edu> balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.185406.3267@tc.cornell.edu>, shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>>In article <1d8r3aINN3i5@marvin.solbourne.com> gerber@solbourne.com (Andrew Gerber) writes:
>>>Boycotting all Colorado products is probably not the best way to
>>>respond to this vote.  I work for a very gay-positive software
>>>company; nearly all the employees live in Denver and Boulder; not
>>>purchasing our products will only hurt the pro-gay people.  
>>
>>I question this.  It's like saying that not contributing to
>>the Boy Scouts hurts all the boys, regardless of their own
>>or their parents personal feelings about homosexuality.
>>Sorry Andrew, but your company contributes to the Colorado
>>tax base.  I intend to boycott Colorado and all products
>>made in Colorado (to the extent that I know about them),
>>too.
>
>
>There are Air Force bases in Colorado.  Lowry AFB in Denver


Which is being closed down.  

>and the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs.

This is the big one.  Colorado Springs has Five military instillations.
the Air Force Academy, Petersonfield, Fort Carson, Cheynne Mountain and
a thingy out northeast of the city!  They are very dependent on federal
funding!  Soooooo.


  How does
>(not yet) President-Elect Clinton feel about that?  What
>would happen to Colorado Springs if he should, say, move
>the school to another state?  Lowry is mostly an education
>base as well, that's where I went to Tech School.  I suppose
>the government could save *lots* of money if they consolidated
>two training bases, say Lowry and Colorado Springs into
>Nellis AFB, NV, which is also a training base.


He could do all of this in the "name" of defense cut and he 
wouldn't even have to say "gay" when he axed a base or too!  
Don't you just love the back door way of fucking people?

>
>After all, Melinda, one should suggest solutions as well.  ;>
>
>
>Shawn

Melinda has a wonderful solution!!!  Boycott Colorado!!!!
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Political/Financial activist project...
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:59:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: PacBell.1992Nov6.215945.8511
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco

> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>Not a bad idea at all.  I mentioned a new Border's book
>store the other day.  As it happens, our other large
>bookstore, called the University Bookstore, has a very bad
>reputation for sexist and homophobic discrimination against
>its employees, and was recently the object of a boycott
>here.  Since the story broke, I had quit shopping at the
>University Bookstore.  On four trips to Border's since
>October 10th, I've spent $287 there.  I'll copy the receipts
>and send them with a letter to the management of the
>University Bookstore.  I may also still have receipts from
>other bookstores too.  It's quite true that I've dropped
>several thousand a year in the University Bookstore in years
>past.

Just be aware that the new corporate parent for Border's is
K-Mart, a company that has been less than gay-positive in the
past.  They strenuously denied that two men in an ambiguous
Fathers' Day ad were intended to be gay, and, I believe,
they refused to carry the Magic Johnson AIDS-prevention book
in their (K-Mart) stores.
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From: wolfe@wolves.uucp (G. Wolfe Woodbury)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Okay, what makes a Gay or Lesbian turn Republican?
Date: 10 Nov 92 05:06:49 GMT
Organization: Red Wolfe @ The Wolves Den
X-Md4-Signature: 8852e7113701b75985baa795b3c5d169

lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:
>
>Seriously, what were the experiences that led xxx to being a  
>Republican?

At least one lesbian/bi republican I know stays with the party in an
effort to redeem it from itself.  She is much more of a moderate, but
prefers the "republican fiscal responsibility" to the over-generous
social spending of the democrats (her words, not my opinions.)

She is hoping that a real schism in the GOP will occur between the
christian controlled far wing conservatives, and a more moderate group
of folk dedicated to the fiscal responsibility and minimizing
government.

I do agree with one of her observations:  the only reason the political
scene remains in the hands of only two parties is because of the laws
that both of those parties have encouraged/enacted to prop up the system
and limit access to other/newer parties.
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From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: fitting in, unpleasant attention
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: earnestly practicing faggots
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:19:11 GMT

in article <1992Nov9.171719.29938@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu
(yamanari) reasserts

 >	Most gays _would_ be very happy if they hadn't been
 >	homosexual and had just turned out like most of their
 >	peers.  The one generalization you can make about all
 >	of humanity:  everyone wants to fit in, or get attention.
 >
 >	I feel completely confident in saying that the attention
 >	most gays get is not pleasant.

ah, it's *so* nice to be told how one feels.  *so* nice to be told
what one's experience has been.  i see those hundreds of millions of
women, knowing they'd be happy if only they were men.  those millions
of jews, knowing they'd be happy if only they were christians.  those
hundreds of millions of people of color, knowing they'd be happy if
only they were northern european whitefolk.  those millions of people
in the cultural elite, knowing they'd be happy if only they embraced
the mass culture whole-heartedly and stopped thinking very much.
those libertarians, anarchists, and other political oddballs, knowing
they'd be happy if only they espoused bland, vaguely capitalist,
socially warm-hearted, democratic-republican principles.

once in a while, everybody has the fleeting thought that it
would be easier to be just like everyone else.  with a moment's
reflection, you realize that a lot about who you are follows
from the experiences you've had, so that if you'd been different
in some socially significant way you would have had utterly
different experiences and so would now be some incalculably
different person.  it's not like plugging in a slightly different
subprogram; it's more like building an entirely new program
on different principles.  there's no way to calculate "what if".
so you'd better value and celebrate the life you've got...

by the way, the attention i get is almost all pleasant.  even those
lgb people with plenty of things to complain about are (for the most
part) not unrelievedly immersed in hostility and threats.  there is
a lot of space in our lives for pleasure, companionship, play,
achievement, and self-respect.  

i've now read two long postings full of hostile bull-headed no-think
by yamanari.  that's my limit, so long as soc.motss brings me
hundreds of postings a day.  so long, loser!

arnold
From: max@queernet.org (Max J. Rochlin)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Boycott or Not to Boycott?
Keywords: colorado, boycott
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:46:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: queernet.BxGMpH.EDM
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1dh9a1INNgoi@crcnis1.unl.edu> cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu (cbe) writes:
>There is, rightfully, much discussion whether a total boycott of 
>KKKolorado is a proper action.  

 	...deleted...

OK, so where does one draw the boycott line?  Do you boycott Colorado
as a vacation spot, do you boycott Colorado based companies, or do
you boycott any company that has a presence in Colorado?  What about
boycotting businesses that do business/sell products in Colorado?

...Max
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From: ric@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Graffiti 404-972-4999)
Subject: Re: The Gay & Lesbian BBS List -- November 1992
Summary: Correction on Graffiti BBS
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:35:12 GMT

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mudge@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (MUDGE BRIAN WAYNE)
Subject: Re: What to do about Colorado
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:35:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.210903.25141@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dbrownfi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas P Brownfield) writes:
>
>Just out of curiosity....if, for instance, the Congress were to pass some sort 
>of national non-descrimination/civil rights law that included sexual 
>orientation...would that override Colorado's amendment?
>
>Doug "Not a Legal Major" Brownfield

    The legal heirarchy is roughly as follows:

     THE US CONSTITUTION AND AMMENDMENTS (SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND)
       The Supreme Court of the US
         The Legislature (The House and Senate)
           The President
           STATE CONSTITUTIONS (AMMENDMENT 2, THE PRESIDENT CANNOT AFFECT)
             State Supreme Court
               State Legislature
                 State Governor
                 (SOMETIMES, LOCAL CHARTERS/ HOME RULE PROVISIONS FOR 
                  COUNTIES/CITIES, CAN OVERRIDE SOME LAWS PASSED BY
                  THE STATE LEGISLATURE, BUT NOT CONTAINED IN THE STATE
                  CONSTITUTION)
                  County Charter
                    County Wide refferendums
                    City Charters
                      City Wide refferendums

  so, no, the local constitution would have no effect on the civil rights
legislation of any kind, passed by congress.  Certain powers are reserved to
the states, but civil rights protection is not one of them.
  The US constitution is the highest ranking law, congress may not override
it, nor contravene its wording, ammendments, or intent.
  The President may not overturn a law that exists at the state level, except
to enforce a law that exists at the federal level (actually, s/he is required
to do this by the constitution.)
  It should be mentioned that this is theory, rather than actual application.
  Americans of Japaneese descent were treated horribly by the US govt. during
WWII, and yet the Constitution should have protected them from unwarranted
search and seisure, imprisonment without trial, and unequal protection under
the law.

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From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson, Buchanan, Helms, VOTE!!!
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:42:02 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <1992Nov10.142018.37863@watson.ibm.com> jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:

>ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark):
>> Me too.  I'd really like to fuck his tight ass.  Of course, I'd have
>> to give him a chainsaw enema first.

>why?  we want it to hurt!

Then give him an _alum_ enema ... for that nice, _TIGHT_ feeling.


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From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Twice Fucked (Colorado gays)
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:47:42 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) wrote:
> 
>But it reminded me that for OR:9 it was much easier 
>to convince people that it was hateful and a bad thing
>in general, whereas CO:2, particularly *by* *comparison*, 
>seemed much more agreeable since it 'merely' denied 
>'special rights' to homosexuals.

Could we learn something from the tactics used here?  We
*know* we don't want "special rights."  Could an initiative
be written up saying what the fundamentalists are making
people believe they are for (No special rights for homosexuals),
so that we in effect beat them to the punch.  In other words,
something which says specifically that no "special rights"
are to be granted to any group on the basis of sexual orientation...
merely equal protection shall be granted on such a basis.

This could put the opposition on the defensive, because they
merely claim they want us to have what they consider "equal
rights."  When we agree, they have to come up with some less
reasonable objections to the legislation.

Could this work?  Could some lawyer/politician write
such a thing?

Am I barking up the wrong tree?

Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu

Hate, bigotry, and discrimination are not family values, even in
Colorado and Tampa.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: Mouse Balls
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:38:43 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

What next are we going to see posted from Apple?

Send your mouse balls to Craig Shergold?  :-)


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