From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig)
Subject: Re: ALL ARGUMENTS FOR PRO-CHOICE REFUTED HERE!!!!!
Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:46:47 GMT

Oh, Sam, you're a treat.  I have a feeling that people are going to
have lots of fun with you here until you get off your high horse and
realize that maybe we've already thought through the issues at least
as well as you have, and (so it would seem) probably a good deal more.

ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink) wrote (in article <1992Oct7.125912.20570@newshost.unh.edu>):
>You *didn't* read the post, did you?  The risks of abortion are over twice
>as high as the risks of childbirth.

Prove it.  Please provide a reference that clearly indicates that
aborting a two-month fetus causes severe injury to the woman twice as
often as giving birth to a nine-month fetus does.

>Second, with the risks they way they are,
>this should NOT be the primary factor.  The unborn baby's LIFE is much more
>important.

No, the woman's life is obviously much more important.

For every Truth by Blatant Assertion that you come up with, I can come
up with a TBA that states the exact opposite.  Please provide some
reasoning for your belief.

>I don't care what's legal and what's illegal, and what your definition of
>baby is...I'm talking about what *should* be.

Hee hee hee!

Who decided that YOU get to decide what *should* be?

>>>... and she will eventually regret that choice [abortion].
>>
>>Unsupported and incorrect.  A lie.
>
>Your opinion.

And your statement was more than just your opinion?  Please provide a
published reference that supports the claim that every woman who has
an abortion will regret her choice.

Yeah, you're just one of those happy caring fundies who believes in
keeping up from making our own choices, so you can make us do what's
best for our own good.  It's frustrating dealing with people like you
whose minds are so closed.  Doesn't it get dark in there?

>>>Susan Carpenter McMillan has stated:  ...
>>
>>BFD.  Just because she's quoted doesn't mean Ms/ McMillan is in
>>slightest bit correct in her assertion.
>
>Did I say she was?

Why would you have used her quote in your article unless you believed
she was at least the slightest bit correct?

>>>Deuteronomy 30:19 reminds us: ...
>>
>>Quoting select verses from the Bible can be used to establish _any_
>>point.  People have posted biblical _support_ for abortion _and_
>>murder.
>
>Those people are either ignorant or stupid, for if you take the Bible as a
>whole, it is VERY CLEAR WHAT THE BIBLICAL OPINION ON MURDER IS.

I'll grant you that -- your God killed wiped out almost everybody on
this planet with his Great Flood of Noah's time, and he incarnated
himself then let his people kill this incarnation.  Seems obvious to
me that the Bible is pro-murder as a solution to something you don't
want.

>Though it is very clear that Jesus
>has a very definite love for children.

He never married and had kids, did he?  And besides, I love children,
and I'm pro-choice.  Loving children doesn't mean I want to force
women into having them.

Besides, the Bible could have bright letters emblazoned on it saying
that ABORTIONISTS ARE EVIL MURDERING BABYKILLERS, and I wouldn't care
one whit.  The Bible was written in a time when women were property
and children were assets.

>>The rest of post is no more credible than this bit.  Filled with
>>meaningless pseudo-statistics, unattributed quotations, appeal to
>>emotion, and outright lies, it is not a collection of arguments 
>>against abortion but is rather nothing more than propaganda designed 
>>sucker the gullible and assuage the consciences of the fanatics.
>
>These are all blind assertions made at a post you didn't even give a decent
>refute to.  I'll return in kind, and not give your post any more consideration
>than this.

Oh?  You were trying to give an honest, fairhanded summary of the
abortion issue?  Not.

I read your post.  Very carefully, in fact.  I wrote three replies to
it, and trashed two of them before I sent them because I didn't feel
like getting into a petty bicker over points which I feel had no value
at all in this discussion.

There have been some decent articles by other people that have refuted
your article quite nicely.  Go read 'em, learn something.

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