From: xzh@eddy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Xiang Zhou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Zhou En-lai and his characters
Date: 16 Nov 1992 14:50:45 GMT
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In article <1992Nov15.061943.20594@news.acns.nwu.edu>, zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov13.195651.983@news.acns.nwu.edu> carl_@nwu.edu  writes:
|> >In article <1992Nov13.122657@IASTATE.EDU> zeng@IASTATE.EDU (Shaohui Zeng)  
|> >writes:
|> >> I would like to know something more about Zhou. I am impressed by the fact 
|> >> that he was loved by so many people. Even Mao did not achieved this. When
|> >> Zhou died in 1976, I was a child. I was curious why so many person wept for
|> >> his death. My parent wept at home. I don't think this was only to show to 
|> >> anybody. 
|> >
|> >I don't think Chinese really loved him. They just used this event to express  
|> >their unsatisfactory and anger towards the government then. I don't think a lot  
|> >of Chinese have a clear idea about what a particular leader/senior government  
|> >official is. Take Zhao Ziyang and Hu Yaobang for example. Many Chinese did not  
|> >like them until they died or stepped down. Zhao was first attacked by students  
|> >for curruption. Later, he is miraculously supported by the students and others.
|> >So, it is the goverment and system that people dislike. As long as you are  
|> >kicked out of that system, people start to show sympathy and support.
|> >
|> >Similar things are happening in Russia too.
|> >
|> >> Is it really because his unselfish that he was loved, revered ? I don't think
|> >> this is the only answer. As I know, In the Red Army year, Zhou was head of 
|> >> "Te4 Ke1", whose task is to execute traitors and sabotage. Nixon gave some
|> >> viewpoint about Zhou in his famous book. One character of Zhou, I think there
|> >> will be little doubt, is cunning.
|> >> I will appreciate it if anyone can contribute more about Zhou.
|> >> 
|> >
|> >I feel pity for Zhou. He was abused by Mao. He lived like a dog.
|> >
|> >Carl
|> 
|>   Maybe Zhou has some faults, but he has achieved a lot of things that most of
|> people cannot achieve.  Put aside his role of counterbalancing the extreme
|> left wing, he, as recognized by many world leaders, is a very respectful
|> diplomat.  And most of people I know respect him before and after his death. 
|> A survey was published about 1 decade ago of 'who you respect most', I
|> remembered Zhou is the run-away winner.  
|>   Zhou may live a life try to please Mao and honor the Chinese people at the
|> same time, but without his efforts, China could only be worse than she already
|> is.  It is perhapes not a very comfortable life, but I believe he did it not
|> for his own personal gains alone.  Saying he lived like a dog is a deep insult
|> to someone you really donot know much.  This kind of arbitray criticism is out
|> of character; is an abuse of freedom of speech; and is a typical example of
|> what some of netters are doing.
|> 
|>   Brian 
|> 
|>   


     A wonderful point. I just point out that Carl has a abusive charater and 
I couldn't agree more with Brian.
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