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Subject: Re: Don Cherry suggestions?
From: hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu (William Hsu)
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:18:45 PST
Reply-To: hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu
Distribution: world

Dale Smoak:
>  
> The album listed as being by Penderecki and Don Cherry, called
> *Actions*, on Wergo, is one I'd recommend. 

I second the recommendation. It's a great record.

> This album has been reissued at least once, perhaps more than once.  Can
> others give the details on this.

I've seen two copies of this record, one on Wergo and the other on
maybe a US label. The non-Wergo reissue is missing a minute or two
of Don Cherry telling the audience to clap along to the music. 

Both the Cherry and Penderecki pieces are very fine, and very daring
for their time. The only comparable collaboration of this sort that
I've found is a record by Ilhan Mimoraglu and Freddie Hubbard. There
are sections with cutups of Manson speeches (?), electronic noises etc
separated by sections of neo-bop with Hubbard's group. Great fun.

Bill
From: mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella)
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Subject: Re: Gene Harris
Date: 12 Jan 1993 21:11:06 GMT
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Stan Jones (sjones@alfred.carleton.ca) wrote:
: Your friend might know that
: Harris's work can also be found under the name Three Sounds.

Harris also directs and plays piano in the "Philip Morris Superband".

I think of Harris as a sort of funkier (in the Horace Silver sense) and less
technically "showy" version of Oscar Peterson.

--
Marc Sabatella
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From: dheckman@novell.com (Diane Heckman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Need help finding Amos Garrett recordings
Summary: Amos Garrett
Date: 11 Jan 93 23:02:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia

Can anyone out there help me find the following Amos Garrett
recordings :
     Amosbehavin'
     Live in Japan (with Geoff Muldauer)

Either the San Francisco Bay Area or mailorder would be
good for me.

Please respond via email (dheckman@novell.com), as I don't
normally read this group.


thanks in advance-
Diane
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From: db@seachg.uucp (David Bell)
Subject: Re: Date of Johnny Winter "Live"?
Reply-To: db@seachg.UUCP (David Bell)
Organization: Sea Change Corporation, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 15:46:23 GMT

In article <gX8mwB1w165w@wndrsvr.la.ca.us> raa@wndrsvr.la.ca.us (Ramon Lopez) writes:
>jsulliva@amstel.prime.com (Jeff Sullivan) writes:
>
>> 
>> Anyway, I could not find ANYWHERE on my copy of Johnny Winter's
>> "Live" what year it was released in. This was the only one out of
>> 150+ CDs that I could find NO copyright date.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> -Jeff
>> 
>Well damn! I was all ready to tell you the date ... I ran to My room to get
>My copy of it on Vinyl! But, to My surprise, the date isnt on THAT either!
>I think I read somewhere it was 1973 ... But I dont know for sure ...
>

I checked my vinyl copy, and sure enough, no date. I checked on the album
that came after (Still Alive and Well), and that had a date of 1973, so I
would guess that "AND Live" was probably released around '72 or so.

BTW, has anyone heard his new one, "Hey where's your brother" ? It has
Edgar on a few tracks. Also, I read somewhere that he is planning on doing
a new project with Rick Derringer. Anyone else hear this ?
-- 
Dave Bell

Sea Change Corporation        
Mississauga, Ontario, Canada    
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From: mvolo@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Michael R. Volow)
Subject: Re: Dizzy's Passing
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:19:00 GMT

millerje@CS.ColoState.EDU (Jeff Miller) writes:

>>There's something to that. Like Armstrong, he seemed always to be smiling
>>and laughing. And like Armstrong, the clowing and joking disappeared
>>utterly when he put horn to lips. He was the best, and we are fortunate

>According to Miles' bio, this was the exact thing that Miles hated about the
>two of them.  He felt they were kissing up to the white press.
>[Was someone calling ELVIS a racist?]


>-- 
> _____________________________________________________________________________
>|                                                                             |
>| "Nuke the unborn gay whales!" |  millerje@cs.colostate.edu  |  Jeff Miller  |
>|_____________________________________________________________________________|
Interested, Miles thinking that Diz and Satchmos' clowning were kissing
up to the white press. In Diz autobiography, "To Be or Not to Bop",
Diz remembers that he used to criticize Armstrong for the same thing.
Later on  he reflects that Louis smiling may have had a deeper meaning,
i.e., "No matter how the white man puts me down, he can never take
my music away from me." He felt more respect for Armstrong after
this reflection.

From Diz' autobiography, it can be seen that he and many other of the
1940s jazz musicians grew up in rather rough environments. They often
carried weapons such as knives or straight razors, and occasionally
had to use them.

-- 
Michael Volow, Psychiatry, Durham VA Med Center, Durham NC 27712
919 286 0411 Ext 6933               mvolo@uncecs.edu
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From: wjh@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (william.j.hery)
Subject: Re: Bluenote (was Re: on Hilton Ruiz)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:18:09 GMT
Keywords: piano jazz, Birdland

John Thomas <jgthomas@bnr.ca>               writes:
>canete@stingray.micro.umn.edu (Jose Jacala Canete) writes:
[...talking about seeing Hilton Ruiz at Birdland...]
>|> front) and I was feeling all that music in my nerves.  70 bucks for 3
>|> people, cocktails, and a whole caboodle of finger food was certainly a
>|> bargain, compared to Blue Note's 40 bucks entrance fee per person, not
>                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|> includng drinks and food.  Check it out when you're in NY!!!
>
>Are you serious?  How often do these guys charge this much? I realize the
>historical importance of the place but GEEZ! 

Neither club referred to is of any historical significance: the existing
club called Birdland is on 100th street, and is not the famous "Birdland
named for Bird, where Bird and many other greats performed in the 50s: that
club closed around 1964. I suspect that the name of the club was one of the
assets they had which was eventually sold to the current owners.

The Blue Note as a club in NY has only existed for about 15 years; the famous
"Blue Note" in jazz (besides the musical meaning) is the record company.
I think there might have been a club in Chicago called the Blue Note, but
I'm not; I also don't think it can match the real Birdland, or the Village
Vanguard, or the Five Spot as historic jazz clubs.

The NY Blue Note club is an expensive "jazz supper club" with lots of glitz
which usually books acts that can fill small concert halls and pays them
accordingly; those costs, of course, get passed on as high cover charges
for customers--and as long as folks line up for a few blocks to pay $75/person
cover to see Ray Charles in a small club, or $50 for the MJQ, they will
keep doing it. More power to the artists who can command those kinds of
prices--but at that price, I'll wait till they get to a concert hall at
half the price, with no table minimum, and no tourists talking through
the music (which seems more prevalent there than at the Vanguard or Sweet
Basil). To give you an idea of the place, they have a souvenier shop
up stairs where you can buy all kinds of gifts (tee shirts, ash trays,
pens, photos, CDs...) with the Blue Note logo at outrageous prices. The
price lists and the table menus are printed in both English and Japanese
because of the large number of Japanese tourists who go there.

Monday nights, however, are more reasonably priced, and sometimes have
more interesting music: I remember going to one Monday gig (never the same
group as the headliner for the rest of the week) for a fine group led
by pianist Renee Rosnes, featuring Joe Henderson as a sideman.

Bill Hery
AT&T Bell Labs
201-386-2362
hery@att.COM
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From: jbhuber@iastate.edu (Joseph B Huber)
Subject: Help needed: Glen Miller at Carnegie Hall
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:36:37 GMT

About 10 years ago, I taped a few selections from an old Glen Miller album
containing recordings made during a Carnegie Hall concert in 1939 or 1940. I am
quite sure that the album was on the RCA-Victor label. Unfortunately, I can no
longer obtain the album, and I did not write down the album catalog number.

I've looked around for this album, but have not found it. Does anyone know if
these Carnegie Hall recordings are available on CD?

Thanks.

-- 
Joe Huber 
(jbhuber@iastate.edu)        | Capt. James T. Kirk on the 2nd law of thermo: 
Dept. of Mech. Egr.          |  "It's not a hundred percent efficient,
Iowa State University        |   but nothing ever is."
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From: glad@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Clayton Glad)
Subject: Ornette bio?
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 06:00:29 GMT


Okay, I've seen a couple of references to the content of Litweiler's 
new book on Ornette here lately, but my local (and reliable) retailer
tells me that it's not due in the stores until APRIL.  What gives?
Are you guys reading galleys or is this available already?

-- Clay
                         "Mancini is a god."
                              -- Steve "Mr. Lucky" Sando
From: mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella)
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Subject: Re: Benny G.; racist?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 01:09:00 GMT
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jhurley@husc3.harvard.edu wrote:
: When the argument 
: is put in this essentialistic way, all we have to do to see how 
: ridiculous it is is to turn it over; is Yo Yo Ma, or Wynton Marsalis,
: commiting cultural thievery by playing European classical music?  

I virtually never get involved in these discussions, but I would like to point
out that European classical music was doing quite well financially before
Wynton and Ma got involved, and there is no popular conception that these two
invented the music they plat.  I am not sure you can say the same about R&B and
Elvis.  Stated another way, no white musician has suffered from Wynton's
popularity.  But by appearing to take credit for inventing rock&roll - credit
that almost assuredly belonged to a group of people that was mostly
African-American, a better case can be made for Elvis' "cultural thievery".

On the other hand, I have to wonder what Elvis could have done differently.
With theivery, there is usually the conscious effort to take something you know
doesn't belong to you, and incidentally deprive someone else of it.  It is not
clear to me that Elvis did anything wrong by playing rock&roll, and it is also
not clear to me that it is his fault a lot of people idolized him.

--
Marc Sabatella
marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
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From: jajo@e.kth.se (Jan Johannesson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Niels-Henning Orsted-Pedersen (NHOP)
Date: 5 Jan 93 10:54:02 GMT
Reply-To: jajo@e.kth.se (Jan Johannesson)
Organization: KTH, Royal Institute of Technology, School of Electrical Engineering

Tremendous bassplayes, one of my personal favourites among all the fantastic
musicians i've been listening to. I have seen his trio twice this autumn here i
Stockholm and he never disappoints me. The trio consist of NHOP, Ulf Wakenius -
Guitar and Adam Nussbaum - Drums, formerly Alvin Queen on Drums. This guitarist
- Swedish Ulf Wakenius is also a very fine musician and a guitarplayer with 
great technical abilities.
 
Jan Johannesson			|	"Man kan har roligt utan sprit,
jajo@e.kth.se			|	 bara man har en korv av skit"	
The Royal Institute		|	 
of Technology			|	 	Tycho Brahe, 1546-1601
From: bweiner@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Benjamin Weiner)
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Subject: Re: ALbert King Reccomendations
Keywords: Albert King recommendations
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:06:41 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

jan@cci632.cci.com (John Nicowski) writes:
>The premiere Albert King list, in my opinion is:
>	Born Under A Bad Sign: includes Crosscut Saw, Kansas City, Pretty
>	Woman, the title cut, etc.  The very essence of King, and one of
>	the greatest blues recordings ever.  Made it to CD recently, as
>	did Jammed Together (see above).

I agree utterly and hopelessly.  What a great album.  Many of the other
Stax albums are good too, like "Years Gone By."  I don't like some of the 
60s-70s stuff with too many keyboards and backup vocals though.  On the
other hand the song "Cadillac Assembly Line" has a string section and
it's killer.

>	Live Wire / Blues Power: simply awesome live blues guitar.

>	Door to Door (w/ Otis Rush): almost too much talent for one CD.

And here I'd like to chorus in with something in the FAQ: See them now!
A summer or two ago I was lucky and got to see Albert King live, outside, 
free, on Penn's Landing in Philadelphia.  His show was amazing, and the
entire audience was on its feet.  The blues made some converts that night -
also, I sure as hell don't remember what movie or other thing I would have 
gone to instead, and I bet the friends I towed along remember King Albert.
R.I.P.

- Ben
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From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: The Tonight Show
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:23:34 GMT


Don't know how many of you caught the Tonight Show last night.  Branford 
and the band played some Dizzy tunes to mourn his death, and then they 
had.... Kenny G come out and play his trash.  The incongruency of scene
just bums me out.  A genius dies and they get Mr. Sominex to play.

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From: maysee@ss1.af.mil (Eric E. Mays)
Subject: Re: Recent Jazz
Reply-To: maysee@ss2.sews.wpafb.af.mil
Organization: U.S. Air Force
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:00:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.090943.2863@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu>, ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Robert H. Yang) writes:
|> Hi,
|> 
|> 	I've been listening to some "basic" jazz for a couple years now,
|> Coltrane, Bird, Diz, Miles, Sonny Rollins, Monk, etc.  I wondered what
|> more "recent" jazz recordings I might be interested in.
|> 
|> 	Actually I kind of liked Miles' incursions into funky rhythmic
|> genres.  Dizzy's work with Afro/Latin music seems interesting too.  But I
|> guess I'm really looking for some of the more "straight-ahead" work.
|> Sorry I'm not as tremendously educated in this genre as I'd like to be.
|> 
|> 	BTW I was also saddened to hear of Dizzy's passing.
|> 
|> Rob
|> --
|>    Rob Yang (Pittsburgh, PA, U.S.A) RYANG@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU
|>                           Systems Engineer
|> 

   Roy Hargrove and Wynton Marsalis are two jazz artists I would 
recommend.  I also like Marcus Roberts, Tony Williams, and
the Harper Brothers.

Eric
From: prich@monk (Paul Richardson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Dizzy has passed
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:16:02 GMT

I was told via email that Dizzy passed today.

--

/pgr

She's got Jungle Fevah... - Stevie
email: Paul_Richardson@next.com
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From: burger@sphinx.ece.wisc.edu (Dick Burger)
Subject: Chet Baker
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison; Electrical & Computer Engineering
Date: 3 Jan 93 23:49:56 CST

   i was eyeballing the two chet baker - russ freeman box sets from mosaic 
records.   does anybody out there have these?  if the sound quality is ok,
i thought the live set might be better.  i haven't heard a whole lot of c.b.,
haven't even seen "let's get lost", but i like his tone.  the little bit
i've heard of the early 50's mulligan-baker sounds interesting to me, but
is a tad stiff.    thanks for any recomendations on the baker-freeman sets.
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From: mciver@alpo.cs.colorado.edu (William McIver Jr.)
Subject: Re: Dizzy Gillespie
Organization: Universtiy of Coloardo, Boulder
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:48:51 GMT

In article <C0JLtI.7u1@rice.edu> mcmahon@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael G. McMahon) writes:
>In article <8602@laas.laas.fr> doucet@ripolin.laas.fr writes:
>>	Another Dizzy worthy record is from a Parisian concert in 88 or 89:
>>	Dizzy and Max Roach in duo. I saw this on TV.
>>	I've seen the CD some time ago (so it exists): the question is
>>	does it _still_ exist ?
>>	Forgot the name, sorry...
>>	
>   I assume it's still in print.  It's called (strangely enough) Max
>Roach + Dizzy Gillespie - Paris 1989.  A&M CD6404.
>   It's technically a 2 CD set, but 33 minutes of disk 2 is an interview
>of them talking about (and listening to) Bird.  Interesting the first
>couple of listens, but don't expect 2 full discs of music.
>   It's one of those discs that I think is great, but I don't listen
>to very often.  Not sure why.
>
>-- 
>There is a level of cowardice lower than that of the conformist:
>  the fashionable non-conformist.   -ayn rand


One argument for getting this is not really because of 
Dizzy.

This recording contains most, if not all, of Max's well-known
rhythmic motifs.  If you ever seen Max in solo concert - which
I highly recommend - you will hear what I'm talking about.


WJM
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From: billrich@caspian.ext.vt.edu (Bill Richardson)
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Subject: Re: Concert:Anson Funderburgh HELP
Date: 4 Jan 93 14:50:56 GMT

In article <seale.725733189@bcserv> seale@bcserv.wustl.edu (Seale (Jeff))  
writes:
> Anson Funderburgh & the Rockets are playing in St. Louis at
> Off Broadway on Jan. 21st. I have only heard one of their songs
> (which I like) and was wondering if anyone out there had seen them
> and could recommend the show. Also, Johnny Winter is coming the week
> before, is his show worth catching lately?
> Thanks,
>  Jeff      Email jeff@grserv.wustl.edu

I saw Anson in Dallas last month in a bar.  It was a good show.  He has a  
good old harmonica/vocalist man.  Definitely the "texas" blues sound  
though.
From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Recent Jazz
Date: 11 Jan 1993 20:49:53 -0600
Organization: Educational Computing Network
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And most all those artist mentioned by Marc do something "straight
ahead" in the usual sense of the word, but perhaps with a few more
liberties that you won't get in the neo-cons.

You really should try On Broadway, by Paul Motian.  There are two
volumes, but a friend of mine heard Joe Lovano mentioned a third volume
with Lee Konitz.  Paul Motian's band consists of Bill Frisell and
Lovano, and on the Broadway's there is Charlie Haden.  But the music is
all standards that everyone from Ben Webster to Charlie Parker to every
singer in jazz have played a million times.  But played in a way that no
one has played.  They have a very open concept in how they phrase and
play time on that.  But they always keep the form, in fact, Charlie is
most straight ahead thing on that series.

Jeff
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From: ghfick@acs.ucalgary.ca (Gordon H. Fick)
Subject: Re: Dizzy Gillespie
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 05:37:37 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

Three recent reissues on Savoy give us fine examples of Dizzy's
art:

Groovin' High (SV-0152) with Bird, Dexter Gordon, Sonny Stitt,
Milt Jackson, Ray Brown...1945-1946..36'38"

School Days (SV-0157) with great vocals from Joe Carroll and
Melvin Moore...1951-1952..27'46"

The Champ (SV-0170) with J.J.Johnson, Coltrane, Kenny Burrell
...1951-1952..36'27" 

all highly recommended..

I also support high ratings for the "Massey Hall" and "Bird and Diz"
-- 
Gordon H. Fick - Department of Community Health Sciences
University of Calgary - Calgary, Alberta CANADA T2N 4N1 - (403) 220-6939
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From: rstump@itchy.geog.albany.edu (Roger Stump)
Subject: Re: looking for a cd
Organization: Syracuse University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 21:12:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.181622.1514@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> mingus@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Damballah Wedo) writes:
>"Infant Eyes" was written by Wayne Shorter. It is a haunting, beautful
>ballad. I don't know any other versions besides his original. Here's the
>data on that:
  [...]
>Great players, great tunes ("Speak No Evil", "Fee-Fi-Fo-Fum", "Dance
>Cadaverous"), great album. DOn't know if it's made it to CD yet. Would
>be criminal if it has not.            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>-- 
>Marcel-Franck Simon             	mingus@usl.com, usl!mingus

Yes, it's Blue Note CDP 7 46509 2 -- so I guess it won't be necessary to
press charges against the folks at Blue Note. :-)

Definitely one of the best of the mid 1960s Blue Notes.
-- 
Roger Stump  (rstump@itchy.geog.albany.edu)
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Subject: Re: ALbert King Reccomendations
From: erkamp@JANUS.ARC.AB.CA (Bob Erkamp)
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:57:38 MDT
Reply-To: erkamp@JANUS.ARC.AB.CA
Organization: Alberta Research Council

I would strongly recommend "King of Blues Guitar". Here is the tracks

LAUNDROMAT BLUES                               
OVERALL JUNCTION                               
OH, PRETTY WOMAN                               
FUNK-SHUN                                      
CROSSCUT SAW                                   
DOWN DON'T BOTHER ME                           
BORN UNDER A BAD SIGN                          
PERSONAL MANAGER                               
KANSAS CITY                                    
THE VERY THOUGHT OF YOU                        
THE HUNTER                                     
I ALMOST LOST MY MIND                          
AS THE YEARS GO PASSING BY                     
COLD FEET                                      
YOU SURE DRIVE A HARD BARGAIN                  
I LOVE LUCY                                    
YOU'RE GONNA NEED ME                           

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