HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jeff@madeleine.ICS.UCI.EDU (Jeff Erickson)
Subject: Re: big oh, big omega
In-reply-to: Your message of 4/7/92
Newsgroups: comp.edu,comp.theory
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:08:43 GMT


> >	f(n) = o(g(n)) iff limsup |f(n)/g(n)| = 0
> >Removing the absolute values or changing limsup to lim has no effect
> >on the definition.

> Really?  Let g(n) = n,  f(n) = -n (n even), 0 (n odd).  Then
> lim sup f/g = 0, but lim sup |f/g| = 1.

Urgh.  What was I thinking?!

Thanks.
--
Jeff Erickson    |  What's purple, commutes, and is worshipped by a
jeff@ics.uci.edu |	limited number of people?
-----------------+  A finitely venerated abelian grape.
From: r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (COMPDIGEST)
Newsgroups: comp.edu.composition
Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Naive (and tactless?) wondering (1)
Date: 7 Apr 92 09:53:31 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville


Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 18:51 EST
From: IN%"DRAPHAELY@CLARKU.BITNET"  Den Raphaely
Message-id: <01GIHYKCTSFC9KN52P@vax.clarku.edu>
Subject: Naive (and tactless?) wondering (1)
Reply-to: Computers & Composition Digest (R. Royar) <R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET>


Well, this may harvest me a lot of flack, but I was wondering:
every year there are well-publicised lists of the nation's "top schools"
(which usually feature Harvard, Stanford, Yale etc) - but as I follow
cutting-edge explorations on various lists (such as this one), I seldom
see these august institutions in the signature lines. Now - am I right?
And if so, what does this mean?

_Den-DothAFoolGoWhereIvyLeagueAngelsFearToTread?

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From: r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (COMPDIGEST)
Newsgroups: comp.edu.composition
Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Shakespearean Birthday Assignment (1)
Date: 15 Apr 92 09:25:46 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville


Date:          Wed, 15 Apr 1992 05:01:56 EDT
From:          BITNET%"R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET"  Robert Royar (C&CD Moderator)
Message-Id:    <1992Apr15.050156.1.Grendel.Lair@Cratylus>
Subject:       Shakespearean Birthday Assignment (1)
Reply-to:      BITNET%"R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET"  Robert Royar
Organization:  Department of English, New York Institute of Technology

The traditional birthday for William Shakespeare is 23 April 1564 (428 years
next Thursday).  A tradition at U of L was to hold a reading round on that day
to read through all the sonnets.  Readers signed up for it from on and off
campus, and listeners wandered in and out of the readings all day.  I invite
net readers to begin a similar tradition.

The Task

Choose a sonnet (doesn't matter if others choose the same one) and on his
Traditional Birthday (or the night before) upload the sonnet along with a
response to it.

What is a Response?

The response could be
  o  an explication,
  o  a rhetorical analysis,
  o  an impression,
  o  a remembrance,
  o  a poem of your own,
  o  a story about teaching the sonnet you've chosen,
  o  a lesson plan centered on the sonnet,
  o  a student's response to the sonnet in class,
  o  an Interchange transcript of a session focused on the sonnet,
  o  a justification for your choice,
  o  any or all of the above.

The assignment (a TGIT or a TGI(F-1)) is very open ended.  The point is to
celebrate the other side of Shakespeare's work, and to have some fun.  Perhaps
even we can discover some new ways to teach his writing.

 --Robert Royar (r0mill01@ulkyvx.bitnet) New York Institute of Technology

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From: r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (COMPDIGEST)
Newsgroups: comp.edu.composition
Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Net Interchange (2)
Date: 12 Apr 92 14:14:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: ulkyvx.1992Apr12.101452.1
Organization: University of Louisville


Date:          Sun, 12 Apr 1992 09:31:12 EDT
From:          BITNET%"R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET"  Robert Royar (C&CD Moderator)
Message-Id:    <1992Apr12.093112.1.Grendel.Lair@Cratylus>
Subject:       Net Interchange (2)
Reply-to:      BITNET%"R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET"  Robert Royar
Organization:  Department of English, New York Institute of Technology

The speed of the Shivas was 9600 baud.  That's the minimum speed for Internet
nodes.  Although some nodes run at 19200 baud or better, once you jump through
a 9600 baud node, you've effectively lost your speed advantage. I'd suspect
that the NYIT example was faster than what you could expect on Internet given
our proximity to AT&T's main trunk lines.  Probably FTP connected directly on
one (dedicated) leased line to one other site could run at 9600 faster than the
demo did, but if you've got to do that, it might be cheaper to install your own
fiber optic backbone to the remote site and run ethernet or something on it.

The demo was not that slow--about the same speed as RTW on a 10-net lan.

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Newsgroups: comp.edu.composition
From: r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (COMPDIGEST)
Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Time wasted on e-mail (11)
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 10:46:54 GMT


Date:          Fri, 10 Apr 1992 06:13:36 EDT
From:          BITNET%"R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET"  Robert Royar (C&CD Moderator)
Message-Id:    <1992Apr10.061336.1.Grendel.Lair@Cratylus>
Subject:       Time wasted on e-mail (11)
Reply-to:      BITNET%"R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET"  Robert Royar
Organization:  Department of English, New York Institute of Technology

My own 4am-6:30am e-mail time is often looked at ascance by the local fogey
faction.  Although, I doubt I could do much else intellectually that early in
the morning.  Reading articles would put me to sleep.  Grading papers, my
handwriting would be illegible.  I find early morning e-mail stimulates my
imagination--gets me pondering themes for the day.  (Isn't that like the Conky
Robot on Pee-Wee's Playhouse?)

Many of my colleagues have time to write papers about topics they never get
to teach, but just "can't find the time" to "waste" on e-mail to discuss the
issues we're trying to hash out about our own teaching.  I'm talking about
local e-mail here; we've no national connections at NYIT yet.

It's damned difficult getting people really engaged with e-mail.  In fact this
gives me a TGIF idea.  On the Frank Zappa list a thread emerged this week
asking how the members hook others on Zappa's music. That question seems
appropo here:

  TGIF: Explain how you've hooked another person on e-mail.  Tell a
        story/ies about an interesting persuasive technique or about a
        major conversion/failure, or

        Tell about how you were converted to e-mail and why.  Was
        there a mentor who helped you along?  Did you eventually
        surpass the mentor in e-mail expertise, or did he/she keep
        right along? How did e-mail grow into your life so that it now
        rivals the Michiganer 40-acre fungus?

*************************************
From: r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (COMPDIGEST)
Newsgroups: comp.edu.composition
Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) electronic texts (1)
Date: 14 Apr 92 09:12:06 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville


Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 09:18:25 EDT
From: seltzer@ics.enet.dec.com
Message-id: <9204131318.AA23328@us1rmc.mso.dec.com>
Subject: electronic texts (1)
Reply-to: Computers & Composition Digest (R. Royar) <R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET>

There appear to be many sources for electronic texts, but the most ambitious
and systematic is the Gutenberg Project.  Their texts are available for
ftp from mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu in two directories:
etext92 and etext/etext91

I don't recall exactly the size of Wuthering Heights.  But I believe I was
able to fit it on a couple of 8" floppy disks.  (The complete King James Bible
is 2 megabytes).

Complete Shakespeare (each play a separate file) is available by ftp from
terminator.cc.umich.edu
in directory:
~ftp/shakespeare
There are subdirectories for tragedies, comedies, histories, etc.  They are
all in compressed (.Z) format.

The Open Book Initiative also has many texts for ftp in directory
~ftp/obi

Also, Brendan Kehoe's Zen and the Art of the Internet is available by ftp from
liberty.uc.wlu.edu
in directory /pub/lawlib
in document zeninter.txt

Is anybody using these things now for composition classes?  I'm trying to
encourage the schools that my kids go to (Milton Academy, Newton Country Day,
and St. Sebastian's) to give it a try.  It would be useful if I could give the
teachers examples of how others have used this resource.

Richard Seltzer
Digital Equipment

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From: r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (COMPDIGEST)
Newsgroups: comp.edu.composition
Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) RE:  Naive (and tactless?) wondering / Crooning in the Cyberness (2)
Date: 15 Apr 92 09:34:08 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville


Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 05:42 EST
From: Den Raphaely <DRAPHAELY@CLARKU.BITNET>
Message-id: <01GITRN1NP0W9ODBP3@vax.clarku.edu>
Subject: RE:  Naive (and tactless?) wondering / Crooning in the Cyberness (2)
Reply-to: Computers & Composition Digest (R. Royar) <R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET>


Steve writes
> My first suggestion is that faculty are not on the cutting edge of
> anything
Well, surely not all persons absolutely atrophy when they are appointed to
an academic position! (Kind of a rework of Acton's Principle: Academics
atrophies and a paid appointment in academics atrophies absolutely). Now
it may well be that there is a general loss of competence accompanying
such institutionalization (we could speak of "universitalism" as a partner
to "hopsitalism"), but one would hope that of those small band of brothers
and sisters who somehow do not fall prey to such moribundization (!), a
significant portion of these would be at those schools held up to the
general populace as being of, for and by the bestandthebrightest (ee cummings
might not have written this but he would have had he grinned about spring
in the ivy leauges).

More seriously - my premise was based on the idea that Internet itself
constituted a cutting edge. And in this, I think the commercial domain
is perhaps more on the ball than academics. For instance, in Sunday's
Boston Globe, the header to the advertisment which occupies 2/3 of the
front page of the Help Wanted section (a much read section around these
parts) is "Videoconferencing Technology Is Changing The Way Business
Communicates". This is an advert for a company called PictureTel whose
slogan is "See What We're Talking About". Of course, their 'shtick' is
that videoconferencing is what makes the difference; but if one were to
explore the assumptions underlying how it is that "From Peabody to Paris
corporate users are discovering the enormous benefits of of dial-up
videoconferencing and learning new ways to solve problems and satisfy
business needs" (please - no gagging on the terminal), it seems clear
these same principles apply to Internet.

_Den-CybernessMoanster

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Newsgroups: comp.edu.composition
From: r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (COMPDIGEST)
Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) use of electronic texts in composition/literature courses (9)
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 09:25:04 GMT


Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 23:20:23 PDT
From: 08-Apr-1992 0922 <seltzer@ics.enet.dec.com>
Message-id: <9204090620.AA02328@enet-gw.pa.dec.com>
Subject: use of electronic texts in composition/literature courses (9)
Reply-to: Computers & Composition Digest (R. Royar) <R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET>

I'd be interested in finding out if anyone is using electronic texts in
composition classes, and if so how they are using them and how well that has
worked.

There are many classic works of literature available for free in electronic
form by ftp from Gutenberg and other projects.  These works include complete
Shakespeare, the Bible, Wuthering Heights, Heart of Darkness, the Federalist
Papers, Paradise Lost, Alice in Wonderland.  The numbers are growing rapidly.

I could easily imagine downloading some of these to floppy disks, giving them
to students, and then giving them assignments to rewrite, reorganize, or
modernize the language of particular sections.  I believe that such
assignments could help them arrive at a closer understanding of the original
and at the same time exercise their creative/composition talents.

Is anyone doing anything like that?

Best wishes.

Richard Seltzer

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From: r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (COMPDIGEST)
Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Crooning in the wilderness... [Was: Naive (and tactless?) wondering] (10)
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 10:43:54 GMT


Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 04:44 EST
From: Den Raphaely <DRAPHAELY@CLARKU.BITNET>
Message-id: <01GIO4GFFZIC9OCXZO@vax.clarku.edu>
Subject: Crooning in the wilderness... [Was: Naive (and tactless?) wondering] (10)
Reply-to: Computers & Composition Digest (R. Royar) <R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET>


So if I get you rightly (David, Fred, Joe) these conversations on Internet
(taking MBU as an exemplar) have a wilderness status because the domain of
interest (composition, in this case) are outside of the mainstream academic
power-structure (the status quo). And thus, even if we see ourselves as
guerrillas, they see us as gorrillas...

But are there no intersections between these electronic explorations and those
(better-trodden) 'tenure' tracks? After all, participants on MBU/C&CD publish
books, attend conferences and teach students - and the topic of the interface
between technology and humanity is "hot".

Of course, one dreadful possibility is that participation on Internet itself
susbstiutes-for/stands-in-the-way-of other (more readilly acknowledged)
productivity. In this regard, recall how many people confessed that they spend
at least 2 hours/day crooning with others in the Cyberness. I suppose I am
wondering how this Internet-thing is a legitimate scholarly activity (and I
think that it is) while it often appears to be a 2-hour coffee-break with my
good friends across the world...

_Den-ThisCyberCroonin'Ain'tNoMatineeIdle

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Newsgroups: comp.edu.composition
From: boris@dehn.mth.pdx.edu (Boris Itkis)
Newsgroups: comp.edu
Subject: Teorem prover
Keywords: expert systems
Date: 9 Apr 92 06:53:12 GMT

I need a teorem prover based on resolution paramodulation,
written in Turbo Pascal or C (C++) for IBM PC.

If somebody has info about it, please send me e-mail.

                          Thank you,
                             Boris
 
Xref: sparky comp.edu:715 sci.edu:493 alt.education.distance:86 alt.education.disabled:96
From: 852028e@aucs.acadiau.ca (Elammari)
Newsgroups: comp.edu,sci.edu,alt.education.distance,alt.education.disabled
Subject: Fourth International Conference on Computers and Learning
Keywords: CBT education learning hypermedia authoring
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:58:20 GMT
Organization: Acadia University


    Fourth International Conference on Computers and Learning
                            ICCAL'92
        Acadia University, Wolfville, Nova Scotia, Canada
                        June 17-20, 1992

The  conference covers theoretical and practical aspects of  com
puter  uses in learning. It includes topics such  as  intelligent 
tutoring  systems, knowledge based systems, evaluation,  distance 
education,  authoring  and  learning  systems,  user  interfaces, 
hypermedia,  applications, and computer assisted language  learn
ing. 
Six invited speakers include Dr. Woolf (Massachusetts, USA),  Dr. 
Shneiderman  (Maryland, USA), Dr. Petruk (Alberta,  Canada),  Dr. 
Murray  (MIT, USA), Dr. Moore (Duke, USA), and Dr. Maurer  (Graz, 
Austria).  The 45 full papers presented in the program  are  pub
lished in the Springer-Verlag Lecture Notes in Computer. They are 
accompanied  by  29  short papers  and  posters,  demonstrations, 
panels  (including major computer manufacturers), and a "Work  in 
Progress" session open to all participants.
The conference includes five workshops and tutorials on Authoring 
Systems, Artificial Intelligence and Education, Foreign  Language 
Tutoring  Systems and Learning Environments,  and  Computer-based 
semantic networks. 
A separate workshop on Computers in Science Education and  Train
ing precedes ICCAL June 15-16.
Accommodation is available in local hotels and motels as well  as 
in  the university residence. Direct transportation from  and  to 
the airport is available for conference participants.
Registration  fee for the conference is $240,  $20  preconference 
workshop, $140 individual tutorials, accommodation in  university 
residences  is $25/$35 per room per day with  single/double  bed. 
All funds are in Canadian currency. Conference fees are  slightly 
higher after May 1.

For more information contact

                         Dr. Ivan Tomek
               Jodrey School of Computer Science,
        Acadia University, Wolfville, Nova Scotia, Canada
                   tel: (902) 542-2201/ext.467
                       fax: (902) 542-4699
                    e-mail: iccal@acadiau.ca

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=========== School of Computer Science, Acadia University =============
From: boris@dehn.mth.pdx.edu (Boris Itkis)
Newsgroups: comp.edu
Subject: Theorem prover
Summary: I am looking for Theorem Prover
Keywords: expert systems
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:52:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: dehn.boris.702849159

I am looking for theorem prover based on resolution end paramodulation,
written in Turbo Pascal or C (C++) for IBM PC.
If anybody has some info about it, please send me e-mail.

Thanks
Boris
Xref: sparky comp.protocols.tcp-ip:2524 comp.sys.sun.admin:2526
From: d3ky03w@shoes.BELL-ATL.COM (Sheets)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Sun routing software
Keywords: default route, in.routed, route
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:06:17 GMT
Organization: Bell Atlantic NSI

Is this a bug with Sun's routing software (and if so, is there a patch)?

I assign two default routers to a Sun so that if router 1 is down it will look
to router 2 for any packet routing.  This did not work, but does work on
HP 9K series 300 and 700 running hpux 8.05 and 8.07 (the Suns are running 4.1.1).
If router 1 is down, the Sun will either time out or recieve an ICMP source
quench message.  The HP will look in its routing table for an alternate gateway,
whereas the Sun does not.  The Sun will allow you to enter multiple default
routers in the routing table.

The routers are Wellfleet LN and/or CN at release 5.5


Alan Sheets (d3ky03w@shoes.bell-atl.com)
From: "william mercer" <william.mercer@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Subject: cheap rarp server
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:04:11 EST
Reply-To: "william mercer" <william.mercer@canrem.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

We are running LAN WorkPlace for DOS ver. 4.0 on a handful of PCs, and
we expect that number to grow significantly by the end of this year.
We are fairly committed to LWP 4.0 because of cost, flexibility and
ORACLE client-server support.

We also have 4 UNIX-base hosts: HP 827s, HP 817s, SCO UNIX/386 and DG
AViiON AV200.  Given the choice between RARP server and BOOTP server,
the first 3 support BOOTP service only and the last supports BOOTP
service only.  Currently, the PCs don't use RARP, but by the end of the
year, I expect things will be getting messy.

Now for the question.

I would like to set up _somewhere_ on the LAN another RARP server (or
more), but would like a cheap way of doing it, e.g., on an 8088 PC with
LAN board, for example.

If anybody is aware of any software for the PC, or of any code which can
be ported to the HP or SCO platforms - heck, any cheap suggestions -
could you please direct me to the appropriate source.

Many thanks.

Jim Carroll (william.mercer@canrem.uucp)
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario/Detroit, MI
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
From: vittallo@ssd.comm.mot.com (John Vittallo)
Subject: gethostent() how does it know
Organization: Motorola LMPS
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:05:41 GMT

I am trying to use gethostent() on both a UNIX R3 V7 and vmexgen target 
VME board, but type are not working.  For example on the UNIX host which 
is named eagle,  I currently have  a hard-coded line that says 
gethostbyname("eagle") but I want to use gethostent(). What will 
gethostent use as the host in the hostfile.  Should I have an entry 
in the /etc/hosts file that says 

eagle 1.1.1.4
host 1.1.1.4 ?
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: Sun routing software
From: chuck@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Chuck Qun Zheng)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 07:48:23 GMT
Reply-To: chuck@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Chuck Qun Zheng)
Organization: Technology Strategy, Telecom Corporation of New Zealand.
Keywords: default route, in.routed, route


> Is this a bug with Sun's routing software (and if so, is there a patch)?

> I assign two default routers to a Sun so that if router 1 is down it
will look
> to router 2 for any packet routing.  This did not work, but does work
on
> HP 9K series 300 and 700 running hpux 8.05 and 8.07 (the Suns are
running 4.1.1).

You guess right. It is a bug, told by a Sun Technical Manager.  He suggested
me to use gated.  I set up gated on both Sun3 & Sun4 router (Sun3 as primary),
and can complete my rlogin across networks even when a router is down.  NFS/
kernel code can handle this situation as well, provided you got DNS right.

One sad news is that sun automounter cannot cope with this.  I am looking for
amd some time later
-- 
---------------
Chuck Qun Zheng
Telecom Corperate Office of New Zealand
Wellington, New Zealand
From: matthews@advtech.uswest.com (John Matthews)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Subject: Utility to trace processes sending packets?
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:14:43 GMT
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Originator: matthews@nethawk

Does anyone know of a utility or way to figure what processes are
sending what packets or what active sockets belong to what processes?

				John Matthews
				matthews@advtech.uswest.com
From: ian@spider.co.uk (Ian Heavens)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Subject: TCP/IP & UDP/IP throughput on FDDI
Date: 7 Apr 92 10:35:21 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK

Does anyone have figures or references for the performance on appropriate
hardware of TCP and UDP over FDDI?

thanks

ian


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Spider Systems Ltd			
Spider Park, Stanwell Street		
Edinburgh, EH6 5NG, Scotland		+44 31 554 9424 (Ext 4166)
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From: meb@BEAU.ATLANTA.DG.COM (Michael Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Subject: tcp protocols (like rpc)
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:10:16 GMT

Does anyone know of any other higher-level protocols like RPC, that run on TCP/IP?
Apollo's NCS is another example...

-----------------
Michael E. Brown
meb@atlanta.dg.com

switch( opinion ){
case MINE:
	printf( "YES\n" );
	break;
case OTHERS:
	printf( "NO\n" );
	break;
}
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
From: sss@netcom.com (Small Systems Solutions)
Subject: Re: WHOIS at nic.dn.mil
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 01:14:18 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <11285@mindlink.bc.ca> Frank@mindlink.bc.ca (Frank I. Reiter) writes:
>I've been playing around with whois and I wonder if some netland wizard could
>explain something to me:
>
>When I do a lookup on MIT.EDU (the example given in the documentation I am
>reading) there is all sorts of information, but when I do a lookup on ubc.ca or
>sfu.ca, two local universities, there is no match.

What are you looking for? The University of California at Berkeley is

	BERKELEY.EDU

and as for 'sfu', I have no idea what you mean.  San Francisco State
University? The University of California at San Francisco?

Remember the expression "Garbage in, garbage out" ???


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sss@netcom.com                                  Berkeley, CA 94707-2116

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