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From: rich@devnet.la.locus.com (Rich Silva)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Jap Crap!!!
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:27:59 GMT
Reply-To: rich@locus.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation

In article <keauxdK0hXua8DnGpC@andrew.cmu.edu>, sb3t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Shirl G. Grant) writes:
|> 
|> Two f***in' days and Jap crap has already infiltrated this bboard.
|> 
|> Sickening!!

Why dont we leave the snobbery and the everlasting religious battle
between Harley owners and YamaHondaSaki owners out of this group.  Wouldnt
it be deligtful to have a news group without Flame Wars and Name calling?

Sigh...

-- 
Rich Silva
Locus Computing Corporation		   rich@LOCUS.COM
		  {uunet,ucivax,trwrb}!lcc!rich
       {randvax,ucbvax,trwspp}!ucla-se!lcc!rich
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Dealing with the Dealer
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:50:33 GMT

rxm8@po.CWRU.Edu (Ron Moritz) writes:

>3.  I bought a Kryptonite cable lock in addition to the fork lock.
>    Pain in the ass to put on but coils great (fits nicely into the
>    saddlebag) and gives great peace of mind.

I'd suggest taking a look at the Maxim cable locks. I've got one of
each, and the Maxim is MUCH easier to deal than the Kryptonite, which
seems to require a minimum of 3 hands to lock or unlock. The Maxim cable
is thicker than the Kryptonite too. The downside to the Maxim is that it's
harder to stow on the bike because it does not like to coil up. A double
loop about 1.5-2 feet in diameter is about the best you can do.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: randy@ninja.megatek.uucp (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: Jap Crap!!! (DEFINED)
Reply-To: megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:30:47 GMT

In article <9208271702.AA07218@panhed.psc.edu> grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant) writes:
|I do not mind at all the fact that non-Harley riders can
|contribute/post/lurk, what.have.you.

  That's mighty considerate of you.  We are very pleased that you'll let us
"contribute/post/lurk, what.have.you."  I'm adding to the "what.have.you"
category at the moment, I would imagine, since I'm not contributing to the
ongoing discussion any more than you are...

|  But the clutter brought on by who
|left what jap bike out of their signature, who rides a beamer, etc. is
|a waste of bandwith and my time.  THAT IMNSHO is jap crap to the max.

  Poor baby...  If your time is so valuable, then why bother?

|Most of us have ridden a jap bike one time or another anyway.  But the
|discussion of these bikes belong elsewhere.

  Actually, no, the discussion of these bikes doesn't belong elsewhere,
according to the last draft of the charter of the newsgroup *I* saw...

 Try again...

|(PS: I am relieved to see that I didn't start a flame war (really), and
|I may even keep my subscription!)

  Subscription??  You pay for this?

|(PPS: I have been called a bigot, and yes, I am.)

  *Honesty*... I like that...  I can't respect you for being a bigot, but I
doubt if you care, or you wouldn't be one...

Randy Davis                             UUCP: randy@megatek.com
("mean and nasty") ZX-11 Harley Pilot :-)     megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: Sportster Belt Drive Failure
Organization: Programmers Who Say Ni
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 06:56:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.205146.24375@SSD.intel.com> earlb@ssd.intel.com (Earl Brabandt) writes:
+How long does a belt usually last? 

I've heard of belts lasting over 100K.  The trick is not to
over-tighten, keep the sprockets aligned, don't ride on gravel roads a
lot.  The best things about belts is that they need no lube, hardly
need adjustment.  The worst is that replacement is 3 hours shop time!

____________________________________________________________________________
		You're never too old to become younger
			-- Mae West
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Paul Blumstein, paulb@harley.tti.com, DoD #36, ABATE, AMA, HOG, KD6LAA
            Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: jsloan@ncar.ucar.edu (John Sloan)
Subject: Re: Fork Locks (Re: Dealing with the Dealer)
Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:48:03 GMT

From article <1992Sep1.182410.26756@hubcap.clemson.edu>, by wstef@hubcap.clemson.edu (W. Gregg Stefancik):
> Compaired to American 700 series locks Master locks are toys.

I second the vote for the American 700 lock. My FLHS has locking forks,
but I still carry an American 700 to lock through the front brake
disk.  It fits perfectly through the ventilation holes in the disk.

As someone mentioned, if they want your bike, they're gonna get it,
even if it means three men and a little boy pick it up and toss it in a
truck. But the American 700 at least intimidates the small-time
thieves.

I also use a smaller American lock to secure my helmet. The locks seem
very well made and very heavy duty. I found a large selection of
American-brand locks (and also the highly recommended German-made Abus
locks) at my local hardware superstore.

--
John Sloan              "Since I've given up hope,       +1 303 497 1243
NCAR/SCD                   I feel much better."      Fax +1 303 497 1137
Boulder CO 80307-3000 USA                           jsloan@ncar.ucar.edu
Logical Disclaimer: belong(opinions,jsloan). belong(opinions,_):-!,fail.
From: jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Springer front
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:06:27 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames

"Keijo" == Keijo L{nsikunnas <krl@niksula.hut.fi> writes:

Keijo> Couple of weeks ago I saw a panhead (late 50's or early 60's)
Keijo> with a brand new springer (the same kind that is used in
Keijo> softtails). The question: is it available in one piece or do
Keijo> you have to build it from 'scratch'? If it is available I would
Keijo> also appreciate hearing the price.

It's only available as an entire kit, and runs $2500 or so (don't have
my catalog handy).  I've seen it "bolted-on" to a CB750 (truly
bizarre) and have heard that it's semi-trivial to attach to various
other machines...

--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
           '91 CB750, soon to be replaced by a '92 R100R, DoD# 0378
      "Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads." -- R & G Are Dead
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Sportster Belt Drive Failure
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:32:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.065601.6626@ttinews.tti.com> paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:
|In article <1992Aug26.205146.24375@SSD.intel.com> earlb@ssd.intel.com (Earl Brabandt) writes:
|+How long does a belt usually last? 
|
|I've heard of belts lasting over 100K.  The trick is not to
|over-tighten, keep the sprockets aligned, don't ride on gravel roads a
|lot.  The best things about belts is that they need no lube, hardly
|need adjustment.  The worst is that replacement is 3 hours shop time!

Why?  I am only a backyard mechanic, and it doesn't take me three hours
to drop a swingarm for an endless chain, why does it take three hours for
a belt change?  Anybody got a manual with the procedure?

Dave Svoboda (rubis@gagme.chi.il.us)        | "I just can't take
90 Concours 1000 (Feeling poorly)           |  this weird shit
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Being bored)         |  before breakfast!"
AMA 583905      DoD #0330    COG 939        |   -- Evo Woman
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: freek@cv.ruu.nl (Freek Beekman)
Subject: Buying a Harley in the USA?
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 08:49:01 GMT
Organization: University of Utrecht, 3D Computer Vision Research Group

Hello,

I am a Ph.D student in Holland and I'm interested in buying a Harley.
I think about a Harley of about ten years old (because of the tax I
have to pay when I want to take it to my country). I want to buy it 
in the states. I will be n Florida and North Carolina in November.
Can anyone advise me
about:

What are the prices.

How do I find a good Harley for a nice price.

Whats the best way to get it to Holland. (Rotterdam harbour)

Thank in advance for your reply!

Freek.

--
	 -   Freek J. Beekman -

	 Department of Radiology and Nuclear Medicine/3D ComputerVision
	 Utrecht University Hospital, Room E02.222
	 Heidelberglaan 100
	 3584CX Utrecht
	 The Netherlands
	 Phone +31-30-506711/506053
	 Fax   +31-30-513399
	 email freek@cv.ruu.nl

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: I voted for this group
Organization: Programmers Who Say Ni
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 06:46:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.184932.27295@mtxinu.COM> choke@mtxinu.COM (Sean Gallaty) writes:
+I voted for this group, even though I ride a Honda CB1100F and have gotten
+immemorable amounts of shit from Harley riders about it being a rice burner
+et fucking cetera.
+
+Not that you give a damn, but it had to be said.
+People who vote against a group just to snipe at the people that would
+read it are losers.

Thank you for your support.  Not all HD riders snipe at other-brand
owners.  Most of us rode other-brands before we got our Harleys.

See ya on the road!

____________________________________________________________________________
		You're never too old to become younger
			-- Mae West
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Paul Blumstein, paulb@harley.tti.com, DoD #36, ABATE, AMA, HOG, KD6LAA
            Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA
From: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Sportster Belt Drive Failure
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:52:46 GMT
Reply-To: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

--

I ran a Primo new style 11mm primary belt on my 79 FX while the motor 
was slightly warmed over stock. Worked great. Now take the same belt
and subject it to 98ci of raw HD torque. Lasted 1100 miles, which I
thought was longer than I expected. Yes, the alignment was perfect.

Drag bikes routinely break 3" open belts at the strip.

In summary, belts are great on stock or warmed over stock bikes.
They don't cut it on big motors.

FYI most belts that have a Gates P/N can be bought from an industrial
supply house for 1/2->1/3 the cost from the dealer or aftermarket
house.

CdH

<<<<<<<<<<<<   Ninety eight....don't be late  >>>>>>>>>>>>
Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Shrewsbury MA USA
dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: jdk@cs.brown.edu (Jennet Kirschenbaum)
Subject: HI
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:28:01 GMT


Hi Everyone!

Just a note to say that I've been putting lots of miles on
my '89 Sporty.  I have a question about a topic that came
up in the digest about the "hole" between 3rd and 4th gear.
I too was wondering about the best way to cope with this 
problem.  It's either over-revving in 3rd, or luggin in 4th.
This is most unsatisfactory.  Please tell me details about
changing the sprocket.

Sometimes I have a hard time believing Harley actually
made such shitty gearing.  I would imagine the new
ones are better, but I have never tried one.  In any
case, I don't plan on replacing this bike soon.

Thx in advance.
From: stafford@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Riding fatigue (was Classic Buzz)
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:23:41 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System


	Forgot.  Godfrey, I see you here.  Tell these people
	how to minimize back fatigue.  There is nobody better
	qualified from the point of experience.  Please.

	(newcomers, Godfrey can put on more miles before
	 breakfast than many would all day - and on some
	 of the most <pleasantly?> punishing machines know.)
 john
From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Our New Group
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:17:44 GMT

dboyd@informix.com (Diana Boyd) writes:


>How cool, we finally got it. Am I really the first to post here!!

Nope Diana, it's been going for at least a week, and has lots of
stuff. We even have Randy Davis (Hi Randy!) seeing if he can fan up a
flame war... He may not have started it, but he's fanning..

>My access to the mailing list was awful, I could read but had a hard time  
>following up or sending in stuff so I have been saving up all these things I  
>want to say. 

So shoot!

>Can't think of anything right now.

>Just: HI

I'm gonna try to get the 'Ol Sport to the Tuesday dinner next week,
come see it!


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'86 Concours.....Sophisticated Lady            Tom Dietrich             
'72 1000cc Sportster.....'Ol Sport               DoD # 055
^^^^^^^^^^^It *LIVES*!^^^^^^^^^^^^              AMA #524245
                                    Cool as a rule, but sometimes....
Two Jousts and a Gather, *BIG fun!*            (H. Lewis)
e-mail txd@Able.MKT.3Com.COM                   Ma Bell (408) 738-8301
Disclaimer: 3Com takes no responsibility for opinions preceding this.

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: melnick@cae.wisc.edu (Melnick Todd)
Subject: Re: Happy Happy Joy Joy
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Date: 25 Aug 92 14:31:48 CDT
Originator: melnick@sun-22.cae.wisc.edu


I am very glad to see this group!  My father has an Electra Glide Classic in a
two tone blue--looks great! My younger brother is getting a black Sportster. 
I'm looking at a Low Rider, but my dream bike is a Springer Softtail.  Of
course,if i had the $11,000 or so dollars, I'd get it.

Joy is riding a motorcycle...


Todd Melnick


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: randy@ninja.megatek.uucp (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: Jap Crap!!!
Reply-To: megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:43:28 GMT

In article <keauxdK0hXua8DnGpC@andrew.cmu.edu> sb3t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Shirl G. Grant) writes:
|Two f***in' days and Jap crap has already infiltrated this bboard.

  I think you are missing a "uck" from the work "fuckin'" in that sentence.
Need to work on that keyboard.

|Sickening!!

  Isn't it, though...  Life's a bitch, too..

Randy Davis                             UUCP: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: somebody 'splain please
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:26:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.132619.534@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, groh@omicron.cs.fsu.edu (Jim Groh) writes:
> The others were the big twin models (1340cc, 80ci.)  They have two
> major divisions, The FX??? and the FL,  The difference being the front
> end.  The FX?? have the X series front end (i.e. the sporty or sometime
> called the narrow glide) while the FL??? is the massive, wideglide front
> end.

The FXSTC has a wide glide front end.

>    FXSTC   Narrow Front end, Soft Tail Rear Suspension, Custom

     FXSTC   Wide Front end, Soft Tail Rear Suspension, Custom

Seth Zirin

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: hd non-cruisers
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:37:09 GMT

jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend) writes:

>Has HD *ever* made anything other than cruiser-based bikes (or those wierdo
>flat-track racers, etc)?  I think Buell has a great idea --
>all-american sport bike, but like HD's, it's a bit pricey.

There was the XLCR Cafe Racer back in '77 or '78. It looks _very_ nice,
and it seems like every single magazine test of the Cafe Racer had at
least one photo of the bike with the front wheel way up in the air. :-)
But it didn't sell very well, so Harley dropped it.

>BMW is similar to HD in many ways: limited selection of bikes, old
>technology updated to the 90s, etc.  However, BMW has *slowly* started
>migrating to new technology (K-bikes, paralever, wasserboxen).
>Perhaps it's time for HD to do the same? 

Maybe you missed the Evo engine and belt drives? H-D hasn't done
anything as (comparitively) radical as the K-whiner BMW, but their
updates seem to be about on par with the R series BMWs.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46       My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.      FJ1200
From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Our New Group
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:06:15 GMT

randy@ninja.megatek.uucp (Randy Davis) writes:

>In article <txd.714946664@Able.MKT.3Com.Com> txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) writes:
>|dboyd@informix.com (Diana Boyd) writes:
>|Nope Diana, it's been going for at least a week, and has lots of
>|stuff. We even have Randy Davis (Hi Randy!) seeing if he can fan up a
>|flame war... He may not have started it, but he's fanning..

>  Me???  Just because I don't happen to ride a Harley and am posting here
>means that *I'm* fanning a flame war?  Just because Mr./Ms. Shirl Grant has
>an idiotic idea about the original charter of this newsgroup (at least,
>according to the charter *I* saw posted) and I'm correcting it?

>  I'm disappointed in you, Tom.

OK, not fanning, but throwing gasoline. ;{>

>|I'm gonna try to get the 'Ol Sport to the Tuesday dinner next week,
>|come see it!

>  COOL.  Get the final bugs worked out of it?

Pretty much, I'll work on it a little more tomorrow, and I should have
it ready to be shown off. :{)

*********************************************************************
'86 Concours.....Sophisticated Lady            Tom Dietrich             
'72 1000cc Sportster.....'Ol Sport               DoD # 055
^^^^^^^^^^^It *LIVES*!^^^^^^^^^^^^              AMA #524245
                                    Cool as a rule, but sometimes....
Two Jousts and a Gather, *BIG fun!*            (H. Lewis)
e-mail txd@Able.MKT.3Com.COM                   Ma Bell (408) 738-8301
Disclaimer: 3Com takes no responsibility for opinions preceding this.

*********************************************************************
From: stafford@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Some questions from a complete neophyte
Date: 30 Aug 92 22:24:11 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System


	Oooh boy, this may be the beginning of the legendary
	longest thread.  Beware, I feel this is a trap. Too
	many goodies to believe.  

	OK, I'll draw fire while y'all get ready...
---
	Don't worry about the lifestyle shit, Kenneth.   Most
	Harley shops sell temporary tatoos to get you by.

	The reality is, if you ride a hard-tail, you _will_
	attract the most indecent kind.  Look, don't you
	wonder about guys who can get butt-rammed all day
	for fun?
---
	Where to buy?  Bring a knowledgeable Harley riding
	friend wherever you buy.  There, I actually gave
	some real adivce.  Bandwith justified.

	More?  If you are a big fellow, go for the Big Twin.
	They are more comfortable and you will look better
	on it.  They are also easier to ride.  

	Get an Evo (evolution engine) for reliability.

	I've said enough.  The rest of the advice you will
	get will embellish these simple facts with more
	than you will wish to read.

 Welcome to the Harley group.

 mad john

	OH, take a riding course.  Seriously.  No shame.  They
	are fun and may save your life.  Everyone learns something.
From: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: WANTED: 1985 XLS Roadster
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:15:26 GMT
Reply-To: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


|>Hi, by the way
|>
|>is there anybody in the states willing to write down, what the pricing of
|>1200cc sportster is, new ones and up to 5 year old. I am thinking
|>about going to the origin to buy one, but I don't know if it pays for me?
|>In germany a new 1200cc is going for about 11.600$ and I think this is
|>a little bit heavy, isn't it?--

Used 1200 Evo sporties go for between $5-6.5K in the Northeast US. 
Shipping and crating is about $1K. Where they're gonna nail ya is 
the duty. To the UK this is about 30% of declared value, and the UK
Customs people are quite aware of US prices.

You cannot add 5 gears to a four speed sporty gearbox. Why would 
you want to?

CdH
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: Sportster Belt Drive Failure
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:21:27 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

This message is primarily intended for those who own '91 and later
Sportsters with the belt drive secondary but probably applies to all
belt drive models. After about 9700 miles, my '91 XLH-1200 started
making a horrible gear-grinding noise coming from what sounded like
the transmission, but turned out to be the belt sprocket on the output
shaft of the tranny. All the splines had stripped out. Apparently the cause
was two-fold: 1) the sprocket had not recieved sufficient heat-treatment
hardening after the splines were cut and 2) the big nut that holds it on had
loosened because the one small allen bolt used to lock it down came loose.
For the '93 model year and as a replacement part, Harley now uses a retaining
plate that is held in place over the big nut with three small allen head bolts.
If you have one of these models (or any belt drive Harley for that matter), you
probably better check the front belt sprocket regularly (every 3000 to 4000)
miles to be sure that it is tight. You may even want to remove the sprocket 
to check the condition of the splines and the transmission's output shaft.
Mine went out at the very end of the 12 month warranty period (the repair was
covered by the warranty) but was in the shop so long I almost didn't get it out
before a long-planned vacation through the Ozark mountains in Arkansas/Missouri.
By the way, after the fix, the bike performed perfectly thoughout 1700+ miles
of Ozark mountain riding. (Best road was Arkansas highway 9 from Mountain View
south to the Arkansas river valley)

Keepin' the shiney shide up!!
Neal Howard
'91 XLH-1200
========================================================================

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: wstef@hubcap.clemson.edu (W. Gregg Stefancik)
Subject: Fork Locks (Re: Dealing with the Dealer)
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:03:59 GMT


As a locksmith I recommed that one use something along the lines of an
American Lock Company 700 series lock.  These can be purchased at
Home Depot for about $15.  They are a rather tough looking lock and
fairly difficult to pick.

I do imagine that most bike thieves just come up to the bike in question and
lift it into the back of a truck no rolling required.  In this case they can
deal with the lock at their own pace.  Given the time all locks will yield to
force.

-- 
W. Gregg Stefancik
wstef@eng.clemson.edu