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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 92 14:41:10 EST
From:         Jerry Walsh <WALSHJ@SJUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      re: doubles again
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Yes, from Itamar.
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From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar" <itiez@CCSG.TAU.AC.IL>
Subject:      Computers and wives
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On Fri, 18 Dec 1992 G9026163@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA wrote:

>
> > Why can't your wife buy another computer?  Should wives be
> > dependent on the whims of their husbands?
> > Itamar E-Z
> > (himself a husband)
>
> Funny you should mention that.  I can't, for the life of me, get my wife
> to use my generic IBM clone, despite her complaints that mine has all the
> gadgets, and all she has is an antiquated Apple IIGS with 512K.  Should
> I be silently thankful?

Ah... It all depends on whether this is a 'local' phenomenon,
or a symptom, or a synecdoche... Does this behaviour stretch to
furniture, cloths, friends...? If this is a local phenomenon,
my unlearned advice would be to be silent. Thankfulness is something
hard to discuss (don't blame me for behaviourism, though).

IEZ

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Subject:      Inserting addresses: boilerplate/textfiles
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There was a facility in NB3 to insert addresses into a letter - the
address had to end in something like .ad-, one selected with the
cursor from a type of directory, and so forth.....

I can't find anything in the ha-ha documentation ho-ho about this for
NB4. Has anyone cracked this - making what I hope is the reasonable
assumption that it's there? I assume it's buried in the boilerplate
style option.
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From:         Tom Schlesinger <tos@OZ.PLYMOUTH.EDU>
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>
>
> Why can't your wife buy another computer? Should wives be
> dependent on the whims of their husbands?
> Itamar E-Z
> (himself a husband)
>
> On Thu, 17 Dec 1992, Dorothy Day wrote:
>
> >
> > >I wish I could convince my wife to
> > >move over from NB3 so that I could reclaim that disk space! She says she
>  needs
> > >a version that she can work on with SoftwareBridge for workplace
 conversions.
> > >        Michael Dick
> > >        DICK@SIENA
> >
> > Perhaps you could persuade her to use F1-File-Export to NB3/XyWrite III+
> > when she stores NB4 files?
> >
> > Dorothy Day, Indiana University
> > Bitnet: DAY@IUBACS
> > Internet: day@ucs.indiana.edu
>
Sioux warrior riding pony, with wife walking behind on foot, was asked why the
wife was walking.  Reply: Wife don't got horse.
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              Dec15, 92 2:33 pm

FCTMOORE@EARN.HKUCC wrote........
>
>
>
>   I report some findings in case they may be helpful to others (the tests
> were in fact carried out under NB3, and I have not yet tried them under
> NB4).
>   According to the NB3 manual (B10-20), footnote numbers in a line will
> not upset right-justification, unless the width of a number is greater
> than the width determined by the default FU setting, in which case, the
> line will go beyond the specified right margin.
>   My trials show that this is not true when the hyphen is used in a
> set-footnote delta to force numbering (or cycling symbols etc.) to restart
> on each page.  I have a line which behaves as follows.  With <<SF2,-*>>
> set at the beginning of the file, the line contains a footnote which
> happens to be the first on the page.  Duly * appears on screen.  But on
> print-out the line extends substantially beyond the right margin, although
> FU 4,4 is set (providing for a much longer footnote call than a mere *).
> Resetting to FU 1,1 makes things considerably better (and setting FU 0,0
> makes the line too short).  What happens is that with a positive FU
> setting, NB systematically inserts too many microspaces (as can be
> seen from the print-to-disk file).
>   If you abstain from using the restart-on-each page setting, this problem
> does not occur.  But this means that it becomes necessary to insert manually
> or in some semi-mechanized fashion a new delta (say <<SF2,*>>) on each page
> to restart the series.
> Tim Moore
> Department of Philosophy
> The University of Hong Kong
>

I am not able to check this properly, but I do recall something about
characters in note numbering being affected by the footnote mode
settings in the printer driver used. I think the discussion centred
around one of us who wanted a bracket around or after the footnote
number and before the note itself, but without upsetting the right
margin. Does this take matters further....?

'Twas long, long ago.....
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              University of Helsinki," at Dec 18, 92 10:31 pm

Errrrh, another thing, J-P...

There's a default to set through f1-s-o and then something I forget
which will put you to the decision of: do you want words including
numbers to be ignored or spell-checked? In the UK, this is useful for
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Mervyn E. Bennun, Law Department, University of Exeter   :
Phone: (+44) (0) 392 263 161                             :
Postal Address: Amory Building, Rennes Drive, Exeter EX4 4RJ, Devon, U.K.

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From:         "Thomas O. Mammoser" <tom9e@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Subject:      Printing multiple copies
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Has anyone had the following problem?

Using a Toshiba P321SL, when I ask NB4 to print two copies of the
same letter, it only prints one.  When I return to the print menu
and ask it to print another copy of the file, all I get is the
message "Printing done" below the command line.  When I ask it to
print any other file, I get the same message.  Nor does it help
to use typed commands rather than the menu.

The only solution I've found is to exit the program, reload, and
then print the file.  I have not tried turning the printer on and
off, but then I shouldn't have to do either of these things.

Any suggestions?

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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 92 20:36:00 EST
From:         INTENTBD@UTOROISE.BITNET
Subject:      Re: doubles again
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I had quite a spate of doubles about two weeks ago. I think others in
Canada had the same affliction. That cleared up, but I also have had doubles
from Itamar lately. That seems, sonehow, a bitter irony.

Brian Durell
University of Toronto
intentbd@utoroise
From: itiez@CCSG.TAU.AC.IL (Itamar Even-Zohar)
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Re: list of 'bugs'

I have prepared a draft of a doc describing 'innovations, lacunae,
bugs and problems'. I opened a brand new archive (NB4gen01.zip),
hoping for more people to contribute to the archive. I am unfortunately
unable to edit the extraordinary flow of new info coming everyday
on the list, but I AM planning to make a selection. A few people
also sent me privately texts for adding. So please feel free to do
that. If the archive grows, then at least new users can learn what's
up. Hopefully, with the new structure of NBI, somebody will finally
pay attention to this precious stuff.

I would like to remind members to check now and then the catalogue.
I have added some 4 or 5 other archives for NB 4.0/Lingua, all
having the NB4....ZIP format. When they get a bit 'stabilized',
I'll upload them on Simtel20 too.


Itamar
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 92 10:03:01 EST
From:         Robert Braham <RMB@CUNYVMS1.BITNET>
Subject:      Flickering LCD on Sharp
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I've just loaded up NB4 w/ lingua, etc., on a [now-orphaned]
Sharp pc-6200, (20 MB, no floppy, 286 CPU, "internal VGA").

The screen flickers terribly, something it didn't do w/ NB3.

Is this a case of Itamar's "lighter" version--I could live
without Lingua on the laptop.  Ive tried selecting different
symbol sets, but nothing changed besides those symbols.

BTW, the configuration is exactly the same as on my Trident
color VGA desktop, simply copied over to the laptop.  No doubt
there are problems resulting from this.
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Tim Moore--
I discovered this NBDTA file when looking at my virtual drive with PCSHELL
for PCTOOLS.  I was surprised!  It was reported as @NBDTA, and hence would
not show up on the NB directory.  Check it out with some equivalent viewer.
J. P. EARLS / ST.JOHN'S UNIV. / COLLEGEVILLE, MN / 56321 / JEARLS@CSBSJU.EDU
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              Florida Int. Univ." <SZUCHMAN@SERVAX.BITNET>
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Allan,
Place an FL delta at the start of each of your linked files.  Depending on the
syle used,or manual of style, sometimes a header is left that flush centers
the text.  To override this, just insert a countervailing flush left delta at
the start of each file.
Mark D. Szuchman, History, FIU
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Subject:      Review and Ascii 0
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From: Allan Needell

Can anyone confirm this behavior and explain. When I "review" a document using
NB4 the resulting review.tmp file contains pairs of MDNM deltas at the left
margin, each followed by an invisible ascii 0. The ascii 0s can be seen as
spaces if the file is viewed using the dos "list" command, or directly if you
look at the file with the Norton Utility. I don't care about the MDNM deltas;
they are easily removed. Its those pesky hex 00s that defy searches and
changes within Notabene. The reason I want to get rid of them is that they
become spaces (or worse) when uploaded as text files onto the mainframe.

Any suggestions appreciated.

Allan Needell
National Air & Space Museum
Smithsonian Institution
Washington, DC 20560  (BITNET: NASSH100@SIVM)
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              17,92 10:04 pm

Kenneth Salzberg wrote........
>
>
> Now that understand what Mervyn was talking about (One needs a _file_
> up to get the F1-l-s-t sequence to work - Even NB3 had context sensitive
> help.), I think that 4.0 has changed the procedure into boilerplate.
> Now, if you have a file, of, for instance, an address, with the name
> Salzberg.bpl in the directory c:\nb4\boiler , then when you get to the
> place in your file where you wish to insert that address, you type
> F1-[alt]l-s-b and a list of your boilerplate files comes up, including
> Salzberg.bpl.  Hightlight it, press F10, and voila!, the address is
> inserted in the file.
> 	Is this what you wanted, Mervyn?
> --Ken Salzberg
> ksalzber@hamline.edu
>

Ken, forgive me if I yell.....

YES - THAT'S WHAT I WANT - AND IF IT WORKS HOOROO HOORAY AND
HULLABALARRITY!

What put me on the downside of delight was the comment by NB UK's
helpline that they thought that the facility had gone, and this
surprised me. They said they'd experiment and ring me back when they'd
worked out an answer, and silence has followed. Clearly, this is a
consequence of transient unmanualarity, and shows that ostensible
deprovements must be considered in that context.

But two questions occur to me:

1.  There may be a lesson in how you learned about the .bpl extension.

2.  Is it possible to distinguish between different sets of
boilerplate files? Everything presumably goes into \boiler, in the
same way that user dictionaries go into \spell. In v. 3, one used
different directories for boilerplate files. I would not like to find,
for example, that addresses in two very different lists which once
were kept separately now go into the same scouse.... I hope "boiler"
means less than it might do!
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>
> 2. I absolutely despise, hate, deplore, reject, etc. (I'm not using the
> Thesaurus here since it always says insufficient memory any way) the way NB4
> handles columns. I wrote a "matching test" yesterday (I realize it's a
> pedagogical cop-out!) and thought I would go crazy trying to handle the
> cursor; it's so very poorly designed. I used to use it a lot, but now....
> The use of home and end keys in this "novel" way introduces a element of
> unanticipateable spontaneity in cursor control.
>
>         Michael Dick (DICK@SIENA)

I strongly concur with the above.  It's one of several things that now work
less reliably, less predictably, and more tediously.

>
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Now that understand what Mervyn was talking about (One needs a _file_
up to get the F1-l-s-t sequence to work - Even NB3 had context sensitive
help.), I think that 4.0 has changed the procedure into boilerplate.
Now, if you have a file, of, for instance, an address, with the name
Salzberg.bpl in the directory c:\nb4\boiler , then when you get to the
place in your file where you wish to insert that address, you type
F1-[alt]l-s-b and a list of your boilerplate files comes up, including
Salzberg.bpl.  Hightlight it, press F10, and voila!, the address is
inserted in the file.
	Is this what you wanted, Mervyn?
--Ken Salzberg
ksalzber@hamline.edu
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              from"PARKINSN@CA.MCMASTER.CIS.SSCVAX" at Dec 17, 92 5:10 pm

PARKINSN@CA.MCMASTER.CIS.SSCVAX wrote........
>
>
> Well, some things in 4.0 are problematic, but there is no comparison between
> the upgrade to 3.0 from 2.0 and the one to 4.0 from 3.1.  Nota Bene, and the
> world, is simply more complex.  I've been on the phone with NBI a few times
> and have resolved most problems.  I have faith in the future, more now than
> a few months ago.  Most problems Mervyn reports have to do with a couple of
> things he really likes, and all of us have our like and dislikes, but 4.0
> is still flexible enough to compensate for this.  Some people bemoan the loss
> of the "info" command.  That's a drag, but I hardly ever used it because the
> manual was simply better.  I think it's still too early to pass judgment on
> 4.0 since NBI are aware of many problems and are working to fix them.  And,
> for the academic, it simply does so much more than those "other" programs.
> There, I've voiced my opinion, and now I'm setting "nomail" for a week
> while I go on vacation!
> Ted Parkinson
> McMaster University
> Hamilton, Ontario
>

In our department, we have a saying: "If it is not neccessary to
change, it is necessary __NOT__ to change."

In the light of this, I distinguish between bugs (which I can forgive
as we're all only human and I'm sure that efforts will be made to fix
them) and deliberate decisions with no benefit that I can see. But
someone has pointed out that some changes follow Lingua improvements;
not being a Lingua user it would be petty if I did not concede that
this might bring them into the "necessary" category.

Grimly, I add this: There is, however, no such thing as a buglet; it
may be a mere midge dancing in the summer sun to one person, who never
useth the feature; but to another who dependenth thereon it may be a
malarial mosquito.....
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              "G9026163@SSCVAX.CI

I've been trying to send a FAX to NBI today but the number just
seems to ring and ring.  Has anybody been able to contact them
during their moving period?  Is there a new FAX number?

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Andrew Rippin
Religious Studies, University of Calgary, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Phone: 403-220-5886               email: ARippin @ acs.ucalgary.ca
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 92 22:31:38 IST
From:         "J-P Takala, University of Helsinki,
              Sociology" <JTAKALA@FINUHA.BITNET>
Subject:      separators, NB, Orbis
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Got a familiar looking table for
Separators for Words, Sentences, and Paragraphs
SE:3
....etc
from Mervyn. (Was it really supposed to be in nb3's DEFAULT.SET? Why
haven't I been punished--or in which way have I been punished--for
not having it, at least for quite some time now?)

Anyway, it did not seem to affect the way Orbis (format 1) treated
hyphens.  I added the separator definitions to NBCUSTOM.SET, restarted
NB and created a brand new test Orbis textbase.  The result was the
same as I described earlier.  "Eeva riitta" would not find "Eeva-Riitta"
but "eeva-riitta" would, and that's just the way I like it, and I hope
this is taken as a feature and not a bug by those who are fixing this
thing until it's perfect and flawless.

BUT. I guess that this hyphen thing (which I like) is _of a piece_
with commas and (as I now notice) even hard spaces being treated as
parts of words (which I would rather not see).  And now that I'm
looking at it, I see that also the period gets treated as part of
the keyword, as in a Finnish date format: "18.12.1992", which I also
rather like than dislike.  Periods I can only spot in cases where a
regular alphanumeric immediately follows.

I've heard nobody confirm or disconfirm these things about commas and
hyphens.  Mervyn, does your Orbis treat hyphens as separators?

j-p takala
jtakala@cc.helsinki.fi
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From:         Lloyd Goldwasser <goldly@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
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apologies for the just-sent, wrongly-addressed signoff note

l.g.
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