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From: gibson@crisium.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Oilers-Flyers trade
Date: 26 Jan 1993 18:38:01 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Astronomy / Univ. of British Columbia
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In article <1993Jan25.152852.3097@mtroyal.ab.ca> caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca writes:
>In article <C1244o.HJ1@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, ummak027@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Anson Sen Sau Mak) writes:
>>>Looks like the Oilers may have finally found a cure for their anemic powerplay
>>>with the addition of Benning, an Edmonton native. They have lacked a really 
>>>good point man for a long time.
>>>
>> How about Dave Manson?
>
>Dave Manson is a career 50-point man. That's not talented enough to be an
>everyday powerplay quarterback. Brian Benning is better.
>

   Agreed ... but what about Brad Werenka?  He's looked impresive since his
   recall from the National Team, but I don't really know yet if he'd be an
   improvement on Manson or Benning on the power play.

   Brad

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From: sglenn@cmsa.gmr.com (Scott Glenn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Wings/Blues
Date: 24 Jan 93 16:12:16 GMT
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Since the Blues contact already posted the summary, I'll just throw
in a couple notes....   

First, the big fight:  Cummins and Chase went at it, and Cummins was led
to the penalty box, while Chase remained on the ice.  As a result, the
Wings were outnumbered on the ice.  Probert was double-teamed 3 times
during this brawl...first, while he was pounding on Chase, Dave Lowry   
jumped in.  Probert got loose from Chase and it was just him and Lowry.
Lowry looked like he wanted no part of this match, and just tried to cover
as Probert got in a series of punches.  Rick Zombo attempted to come to the
rescue, and was quickly seperated by Brad McCrimmon.  Probert did land one
good punch on Zombo and then went back to Lowry.  Bob Bassen then came in
to help Lowry.  Tim Cheveldae came in to help, but was met by Curtis Joseph.
That's when Cummins came back on the ice.  He will likely get a 10 game
suspension for his effort...the big question is what will Bryan Murray get?
According to the rule book as it stands, he would get a 10 game suspension
also.  Remember last year that a similiar instance occurred in with Yves
Racine came back out of the penalty box...Murray received 5 games for that
and the rule states that if the same things happens again within the next
three years, the suspension is doubled for the coach.  Murray said that at
the GMs meeting it was agreed that the rule wasn't fair because a coach can't
control a player who is in the penalty box, but he's not sure if it's changed
or not.
Also, a question for you rules buffs:  Can there be more than one 3rd man
in?  Zombo got the game misconduct for 3rd man in, Lowry and Probert got
game misconducts for fighting after another fight, but Bassen got no penalty.

It was a well played game by the Wings.  Sheldon Kennedy played on a line
with Fedorov and Ysebaert and the line was Detroit's best of the night.
The Wings outshot St. Louis 42-21, but Curtis Joseph was outstanding in the
net.

MISC:
-Chaisson (hamstring), Drake (kneecap), and Sillinger (Coaches decision)
 were out.  Primeau, Cummins, and Howe joined the lineup.
-On the 3rd St. Louis goal, replays showed the Blues were clearly offside.
 Mickey Redmond was saying it as the play developed.  
-Classic ending:  With less than a minute to play, the Wings put on a 
 furious attack to try to tie the game.  Replays of one attempt showed
 Garth Butcher holding two Wings sticks, and another Blue (who was penalized)
 jumping on the back of Steve Yzerman.
-Cheveldae stayed in the entire game, despite having a swullen eye that
 seemed to be very close to being closed.  He admitted to not being 100%,
 but Murray kept him in.
-Cheveldae needs one more win to tie him with Jimmy Rutherford for 5th place
 in number of victories in a career with Detroit.

-Scott
From: clark@canuck.harvard.edu (James J. Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Russian results 1/23-25/93
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:32:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: canuck.CLARK.93Jan27193237
Organization: Harvard Robotics Lab, Harvard University


 
Is the Kharlamov listed in the CSCA lineup related to
the great Valeri Kharlamov? Is he a good player?

Also, seeing the names of the Russian hockey teams
I was wondering if the new expansion teams should
take some of these names. Imagine, if you will,
the "Anaheim Torpedo", "Miami Metallurgists", or
the "Anaheim Tractor". Puts the "Senators" to shame!
It would also make for good logos and you could get
the Teamsters to sponsor the teams.

Jim

clark@hrl.harvard.edu
From: KOLASINSKI@FHI-Berlin.MPG.DE (Rebell ohne Schlips)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: one-sided trades
Date: 23 Jan 93 21:21:12 +0100
Organization: Dynamics of Laser-Surface Interactions

In article <vzhivov.727329147@cunews>, vzhivov@alfred.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov) writes:
> 
>           3. Joe Mullen to the Flames for who knows what.
> 
> Of course the new Flame GM hasn't shone with brilliance either: the
> already discussed Toronto trade, as well as the trade of Stephan
> Matteau (a solid up and down tough forward with some talent) to
> Chicago for Trent Yawney (a cream-puff).
> 
>                                                   Vlad the Impaler
>                                                   GO FLAMES!!!!!!!

	How about Joe Mullen to Pittsburgh for a 2nd round pick.
Who did that pick end up being?  Hard to image he has had the impact
that Mullen has had in Pittsburgh.
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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Don Cherry Coach's Corner summary - Jan 16, 1993
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 08:10:32 GMT

In article <allan.727600417@st-lina> allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) writes:
>
>Next, Don talked about league expansion, and how Toronto could only
>protect one goaltender. Don said that he himself would never trade
>Fuhr, whom he considers to be the best goaltender in the league. Potvin
>was successful earlier in the season, but word has gotten around that
>he likes to play back in the net; opposing players are learning to
>wait until Potvin goes down before shooting, and then put the puck
>into the top corner. [Note: Does anyone have any statistics which
>compare Potvin's stats in the first few games as compared with the
>last few games he played? Has his performance declined, as Don suggests?)

Unfortunately, yes.  (I say unfortunately, because I have Potvin in a pool.)
Towards the end of his first stay with Toronto this season, he was not doing
well at all, until last night, when he was called up to start against St.
Louis.  However, I can honestly say (but you know how I feel about Fuhr
anyway) that Fuhr was terribly inconsistent throughout the course of the
season.  Of course, this season of his was way better than last season, but
it is my impression that his performance from night to night was very
inconsistent; his performance, on the whole, was also not quite as good as
Potvin's, on the whole, but better than Potvin towards the end of Potvin's
first stay with Toronto.
>
>Don recommended that the Leafs trade Potvin to a Quebec-based team, since
>Don says that you will get more back from a Quebec team when you trade
>a frenchman there. The Leafs have another good goaltender (Rhodes)
>playing in St. John's, who has gone 7-0 lately, and who managed to
>win an NHL game last year when the Leafs got him to play a single
>game to make him available in the expansion draft.

I don't think this is the case...  I don't think Rhodes played at all last
season.  (Toronto played 4 goalies last season: Fuhr, Jeff Reese, Potvin,
and Rick Wamsley.)  Rhodes did play one game during the *'90-'91* season,
letting in a single goal in that start.  He's also just 23, but that is two
full years older than Potvin.

Unless Rhodes' WCHA team (Michigan Tech) had horrible defense, though, I
don't think I'd have too much faith in him.  His three seasons there gave him
GAAs of 4.20, 4.41, and 6.26.  He may be a late bloomer, though, but I'd not
give up Potvin easily.

===============================================================================
GO CALGARY FLAMES!  Mike Vernon for Vezina!  Gary Roberts for Hart and Selke!
GO EDMONTON OILERS!  Go for playoffs!  Dave Manson for Norris!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
From: zeus@aero.org (Dave Suess)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: L A KINGS FANS [Sandstrom]
Date: 22 Jan 1993 08:15:31 GMT
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Summary: He's back, with a vengeance
Keywords: Sandstrom, Kings

In article <Jan21.231534.27575@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>,
	 smith%sol.dnet@sirius.cira.colostate.edu writes:
>Sandstrom is supposed to be back tonight 21/01/93. ...

	He's back; he got the hat trick tonight (that is,
	Thursday night) in a losing effort against Vancouver,
	5-4.
				Dave Suess	zeus@aerospace.aero.org
From: jadler@cordelia.its.uci.edu (Jeff Adler)
Subject: Changes to the Playoff Format
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Reply-To: jadler@cordelia.its.uci.edu (Jeff Adler)
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:55:21 GMT


Besides realignment I think that the hockey 'gods' should consider changing
the playoff format.  I think the current system that pushes division play
does not favor the best teams reaching later rounds. I am in favor of
a system similar to that in the NBA where the schedule allows for more
inter-division play but playoffs are by conference.  

The league should consider adapting a playoff schedule where the top 8 teams
in each conference make the playoffs and then follow a 1-8, 2-7, 3-6, 4-5
format where the two division winners are automatically granted the #1 and #2 seeds while the remaining 6 slots are filled by the teams with the best records.

(I used to enjoy the game in themid 1970's with the 1-16 format but travel costs
and time zone changes would inhibit this format).
From: petrosb@pell2l19.alleg.edu (Brian Petroski)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: re:What's the record? Pens get 3 in 29 seconds!!!
Keywords: ssdd
Date: 28 Jan 93 02:33:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Allegheny College

In article <93026.202456RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> Robbie Po  
<RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> I'm just listening to the hockey game now and the Penguins thanks to  
goals by
> Murphy, Stevens, and another one by Stevens have just scored 3 goals in  
just
> 29 seconds!!! What is the record with this?  I doubt this is a reord,  
but it
> may be a team record.
> ** Rob **

____________________

The team record for fastest 3 goals is 27 seconds, set in 1972.  I'm not  
sure who it was-Andy Bathgate may have been one of them.
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From: levesque@galaxy.mpr.ca (Steve Levesque)
Subject: Derek King
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 20:49:28 GMT

Anybody know the status of Derek King.

He was scoring pretty well early in the season, but not much lateley.

Is he playing much, getting power-play time, time with Pierre Turgeon,
what line is he on.

There have been several Islander games recently were they vave scored 
a bucket o' goals, and King gets 0 or 1 point.


Thanks,

Steve Levesque
From: gibson@crisium.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Rangers' Power Play Units?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 18:57:06 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Astronomy / Univ. of British Columbia
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Who do the Rangers have playing the points on the 1st & 2nd power play units?
Patrick?  Zubov?  Djoos?  As an aside ... how has Per Djoos looked these last 2
games since his call-up?  Any chance he'll be sticking around for a while this
time?  He's got to be more of a threat than Beukeboom, Hardy, Wells, etc,
doesn't he?  Just curious ...

Brad

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From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: Flyers Dealings (Re: KENNY WREGGET MUST GO!!!)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:13:20 GMT

In article <C1IsEt.CCr@ie.utoronto.ca>, green@ie.utoronto.ca (Marc Green) writes:
> KOLASINSKI@FHI-Berlin.MPG.DE (Rebell ohne Schlips) writes:
> 
> >In article <mXmLXB1w164w@cellar.org>, darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling) writes:
> It's worth noting that in the Lindros trade, the Nordique turned down
> Sittler. They didn't want him, preferring to take a chance on this years
> draft. That tells you a thing or two about Sittler.x 

Sittler was never offered to Quebec.  The arbitrator, Bertozzi (sp?),
stated that the Flyers and Nords had to agree on another player or
draft pick, but it was not to be the Flyers '92 first round selection.
IMO, Quebec should have lost that part of the Lindros-package because
of their shady dealings.  But of course I am a Flyers fan.

> Further, the Flyers gave up two first round draft picks to get Wregget
> in the first place. All in all, the Flyers took a bath.

I do not recall what the Flyers gave up for Wregget.  But I do know
that Philly needed a goaltender and he was the best available at the
time.  Wregget did play well his first year with the Flyers.  He was
a key factor in the Flyers making it to the Stanley Cup semis.  Including
an excellent performance in the deciding game of the Patrick Division
championship series at Pittsburgh.

> >>Tocchet for Recchi? (better
> >> scorer and 5 years younger...)  
> 
> First, there is only 3.5 years difference. Second, goal scoring is about
> the same for the two. Third, Tocchet is a stand up, character guy while
> Recchi is a whiner and complainer. Lastly, given the pounding game that
> Recchi plays and his small size, it's very unlikely that he will last
> that long. I'd bet that Tocchet will be at the top of his game as long
> or longer.

Goal scoring may be the same for the two now that Tocchet is playing
alongside Lemieux in Pittsburgh, but Recchi brings a much better
scoring punch to the Flyers than Tocchet ever delivered.  And Recchi
has never caused any problems, on or off the ice, for the Flyers.  He
has been nothing short of amazing this season.  He even played with a
concussion despite being told by Flyers' physicians to rest.  Sounds
like more of a leader than a whiner and complainer, if you ask me.
And despite his physical game and lack of size, Recchi is quick enough,
and smart enough, to avoid the hard hits and cheap shots.

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From: jrmst8+@pitt.edu (Joseph R Mcdonald)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Pens Trade Rumor
Date: 22 Jan 93 00:49:29 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

The following player has been involved in all kinds of assinine trade
rumors all year:

19 Goals
33 Assists
(52 points in 47 games)
+13 (though he's not known for defense)
7 GW goals (though he's not on the top line most of the time)


Yes, its Jaromir Jagr.   If you didn't know his name, just his stats,
would you still be so interested in trading him?


The following player has been the subject of trade rumors for the last 5 
or so years:

31 Goals
29 Assists
(60 points in 45 games)
+6 (though he's a predominantly offensive player)
11 PP and 4 GW goals

Yes, its Luc Robitaille.


Why do people always seem eager to get rid of certain players no matter
how productive they are?

(The above question is rhetorical, no need to answer). 


Dean

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From: 002519m@axe.acadiau.ca (KRISTIAN AARON MACCALL)
Subject: Re: more one-sided trades
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:59:02 GMT

In article <Jan25.181308.47717@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> smith@phobos.cira.colostate.edu writes:
>From: smith@phobos.cira.colostate.edu
>Subject: more one-sided trades
>Date: 25 Jan 93 18:13:08 GMT

>Back in the early 80's I believe the Caps obtained Dino Ciccarelli for
>for Dennis Marouk (to Minnesota). Marouk went on to play one or two more
>average years. Dino was the Caps offense for years, despite all his off
>the ice problems.

>Smitty
>smith%phobos.dnet@sirius.cira.colostate.edu


Well, it wasn't that Maruk was bad - he did have a 60 goal season and a 
couple of 100 point seasons, it was just that he was at the end of his 
career and Cicarelli (definitely) wasn't!  It was surely a great trade for 
the Caps.
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From: inthalw@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Magnus)
Subject: Pens' Draft Info
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Closed Boxes
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Date: 27 Jan 1993 10:14 EST  

I was wondering if anyone out there could e-mail to me the Pens' draft picks 
since (and including) the year Bob Errey was drafted (which was '83 I believe)?
I imagine some of the Pens' fans on the net would have a yearbook or media
guide or something with this info. If that's too much to ask for, how about 
just their 1st round picks.

Thanks in advance!!

Magnus
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: J. Murphy?
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:21:49 GMT

In article <Jan27.183526.1523@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> smith%sol.dnet@sirius.cira.colostate.edu writes:
>"How To Ruin an NHL Career" by J. Murphy
>
>I started a similar thread about Murphy's future about three
>months ago.
>
>Any new thoughts or rumours on where Joe "Brains" Murphy may end
>up and when?
>

Most of the best rumours still center on Chicago...the Oilers seem
to want Krivokrasov plus a defenseman...earlier in the season...it
seemed to be Kravchuk, lately it seems they might be satisfied with
Droppa.  Supposedly they were close last week a couple of times.

The Oilers may be trying use a potential Manson deal with Detroit
and a potential Murphy deal with Chicago to wrest the best young
talent out of either team they can.  That is about the only leverage
Sather has.

The Oilers though have reached a stage where they could just let
Murphy sit for the rest of the season.

Gerald
From: nin15b34@merrimack.edu (Mike Machnik)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Hockey East
Date: 22 Jan 93 02:45:06 GMT
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA

In article <1993Jan19.192657.11392@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, culshaw@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
> Can anyone post an update of the current situation in Hockey East?
> 
> A summary of any recent games, plus a national update would be useful.

Other than the info on the college hockey mailing list (to subscribe,
send mail to listserv@maine.maine.edu with the command SUB HOCKEY-L only
in the body), it is possible to retrieve files from the list archives
that have some of this info.  Standings for all four DivI conferences
can be obtained by sending mail to the same address with the command
GET 9293CONF STAND .  I update these about every Monday.  There is also a
file with the complete DivI composite (about 900 lines) including all
scores thus far, the command for this is GET 9293COMP SCHEDULE .  You can
include more than one command in a message as it is processed by the server.

Just quickly, Maine is in first place at 22-0-2 overall, 9-0-1 in the
league.  BU is second and appears to be pulling away at 14-4-2, 8-3-1
Hockey East.  But BU has a showdown this weekend with third place New
Hampshire, a home-and-home series.  Maine returns to league play this
weekend after about a month of nonleague games, by playing a pair at
6th-place Boston College (6-11-4, 3-6-2).  The league is relatively weak
this year with most teams decimated by graduation.  Maine freshman Paul
Kariya, who was named to the all-World team for Canada in the World
Juniors, returned to action last weekend and had a goal and three assists
in two games against Clarkson, and he still leads the nation in scoring
with 14-39--53 in 18 games.  You can see much of this information in my
weekly HE updates if you subscribe to the list, along with lots of other
stuff on other teams and conferences.

Elsewhere in the nation, Harvard sits atop the ECAC standings at 13-1-1,
12-0-1 ECAC.  The CCHA is led by Miami (of Ohio), 15-6-3 and 13-2-3 CCHA, 
although Michigan (16-4-3/12-4-2) and Lake Superior (13-6-4, 10-4-4) are
not far behind.  And, Minnesota-Duluth leads the WCHA at 15-6-1 overall,
13-6-1 WCHA, but there is a dogfight among the rest of the teams.  Wisconsin
(14-7-1/11-6-1) and St Cloud (11-8-1/11-8-1) are tied for 2nd, and
Minnesota (10-7-5/9-5-4) is in fourth but still only five points out of
first and will play two at Duluth this weekend.
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:54:34 -0500 
From: Robert Angelo Pleshar <rp16+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Pens Trade Rumor
	<2227@blue.cis.pitt.edu>

from Rick Coyle:
>And so far as Domi is concerned, why would the Pens need the likes of
>him?  They have one of the bigger, if not the biggest, lineups in the
>league, and aren't the sort of team that can be intimidated.  And
>they certainly aren't going to change their style.  And lastly, Domi
>simply couldn't play on this team.  He's just not good enough.

Sorry, Rick, I have to disagree. Domi has to be a million times better
than Jay Caufield, who manages to play at least every so often. He might
even be better than Grant Jennings (wrong position though). I agree that
the Penguins really have no need for him though. Tocchet seems tough
enough to handle most folks.
Ralph

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From: dan@vicorp.com (Dan Gauthier)
Subject: Moog's play for the Bruins
Organization: V. I. Corporation, Northampton, Massachusetts
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:54:31 GMT

Actually, I'm trying to save some face here.  First, I'm sorry I sent that
recent long post about this subject to r.s.h, it was meant for the Bruins
mailing list.  But rather than cancel it, maybe it would be interesting to 
get some talk going from non-Bruin fans who have seen him play this year.
What do you think about Moog's play?

(Did I save some face?)

Oh well.  Again, sorry for the bandwidth wasted.

Dan

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