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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: sad thought (soapbox warning)

Replieth      Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>

> Would you consider running for the school board in my district?:-)

     The Machiavellian side of me says it would take at least two
people 'in the know' to make this work.  One runs for the school board
and makes proposals for changing the curriculum that upsetrs the
parents.  The other(s) would then be part of the parent group that
rises up to 'throw the rascal out', quietly subverting the group of
parents into introspection and action at home.  I am not yet up to
playing the martyr at the moment and I lack the children to be one of
the parents, so I guess I will have to pass for now.

The Ronin
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From:         Rita <rita%EFF.ORG@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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        Well, I have to admit I'm not too big with the recycling bit.
Mostly
because I don't have a whole lot to recycle.  I don't use pen and paper
that
much, and I'm into the re-use part at home.  I shop at a Coop where they
*glare* at you if you don't bring your own shopping bags.  They also keep
most dry goods as bulk items, so I just bring in my own containers and
fill 'em up.  I've been using the same honey squeeze bottle for about a
year
now.  Unless I do some sort of raging housecleaning bit, Nico, the cats,
and
I produce less than a kitchen bagful of garbage a week.

Rita
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From:         Tony Harminc <TONY%VM1.MCGILL.CA@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: S T R E S S ! !
              6 Apr 1992 13:25:11 +0000 from <huddle@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU>

>-scott (who's mother loves him so much, she just sent a TSE brochure for
>Easter, along with a stuffed bunny)
>
>TSE - Testicular Self Examination

Doubtless the traders at the Toronto Stock Exchange would be amused to
hear this.  Hmmm... gives new meaning to the TSE 300 and the TSE 35 (stock
indexes).

Tony H.
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Reflections on the matter of language change

> On Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:02:33 CDT Natalie Maynor said:
> >> >I meant to add The Ronin to the list of the wise at least 24 hours ago.
> >> >I've liked everything you've said on the topic!
> >>             ^^^^^^^^^^
> >> >   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
> >> LINGUISTS all over the world are embarrassed: GHETTO SLANG???????
> name calling diminishes your argument... for you see, since you have been
> pontificating as a LINGUIST, perhaps you will do the honor and be consistent:
> that is, you make all the tried and true arguments from mainstream  american
> linguistics (which we are supposed to honor, evidently) but when you get
> caught using a nonlinguistics term such as SLANG, well, it is nitpicking.
> so tell me, what is slang?

Is this addressed to me or to The Ronin?  I'm confused.  I'm assuming it's
to The Ronin since he's the one who mentioned slang.  I don't think I've
said anything about slang, although I'm not quite sure why you're calling
it "a nonlinguistics term."
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         "Aaron Dickey, The Happy Spore"
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Subject:      Re: CompuServe Flat Rate - New

60 msgs per month? Tsk, then someone ought to sue Rush for false advertising
and make a ton of $$$...then buy a SPARCstation, have your house rewired for
TCP/IP, etc....

Or are you confusing CIS with Tragedy?

--Aaron
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Hello???
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> a) A vague bit of help is better than none at all.  I didn't know that someone
> of your Oracle-like Wisdom would be around to reply.  If I had known, I would
> never have stooped so low as to try to help someone.

Why?  I make wild pronouncements about computerly matters on the list all
the time, knowing that there are quite a few gurus on the list.  That's
one way I learn -- one or more of them will usually correct me when I
say stupid things.  (I like the pun -- but I bet it wasn't intentional.
I bet you didn't know that Frank went to an Oracle workshop not long ago
and now is in charge of Oracle stuff on an administrative Sun.)

> b) The term 'sys.nazis' is common amongst us young arrogant hooligans who take
> valuable CPU time away from the important users such as yourself.  The term is

I don't think Frank has any problems with a lack of CPU time. :-)

> However, I do know one sysadmin at one certain site. You might be surprised at
> the drawing on the wall of his office of a himself hacking away while wearing
> an SS uniform.

Frank doesn't settle for mere pictures -- he keeps a sword in his office.
You think I'm kidding, don't you?  He sometimes threatens beagles with it.

> out.  It will also keep me from having to post responses like the above to
> the list.

But I enjoyed the exchange!
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: music-math relationship

Asketh        "815 Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980" <TA0SHK1@NIU.BITNET>

> You do have two hands, don't you, Tushar?

     But that would only get him past undergraduate economics.  He
will need many more hands to get past the graduate courses.

The Ronin
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: free press

Reporteth     "Aaron Dickey, The Happy Spore" <AXD7104@ACFCLUSTER.NYU.EDU>

>coverage in this campaign, but a person that bothers to go to any effort will
>have no trouble finding information on the candidate's positions.  The weekly
>newmagazines, especially _Time_, have done quite well in this respect thus far.

     My problem with _Time_ is that they are very good at reporting
what was said in the last couple of weeks, but very poor about
remembering what was said two years ago.  I compared _Time_,
_Newsweek_, _The Wall Street Journal._ and _The Economist_, and _Time_
came in third, just ahead of _Newsweek_.  _The Economist_ easily had
the most in-depth (and most prophetic) analysis on the U.S. situation.
I knew more about the major local races through _The Economist_ than
through the local papers.

>                                                              If she's too
> damn lazy to seek out any information, then she probably shouldn't vote,
> because people like her are too dangerous to our political process.

     If she is too lazy to seek information, she is probably too lazy
to find the time to vote.  (Lisa had already said that her roomie
wasn't going to vote.)  I am not seeing how she is a threat worth
doing something about.

>                                       If a person didn't bother to vote, then
> I'd ignore everything that person ever had to say, unless it was a request of
> some sort (i.e. Social Security check didn't come or personal matters like
> that).  Then the public would really learn that they need to get involved.

     But a very similar process is already in action.  If you give
money to a candidate, you had better believe he remembers.  Do you
like how that works?  People who volunteer time, effort, and/or money
get priority treatment.  I bet it is pretty close to what you are
suggesting.

     If you are serious about 'forcing' people to vote, then I might
find you dangerous w.r.t. our political process.   The USSR had a very
high turn-out for its elections.  Didn't seem to help the process.

     People who want to get something done get involved as it is.  Is
your suggestion going to make people like Lisa's roommate more
informed, or would they just herd over to whatever was the popular fad
and reinforce it blindly?  Things can get worse.  A lot worse.  Think
carefully before you start trying to implement significant changes.

The Ronin
From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
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Subject: Re: slang
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:42:08
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In-reply-to: Nancy Harwood's message of Sat, 11 Apr 1992 18:50:17 -0500

Nancy wishes enlightenment:

   Does anybody know an origin for the slang term "cool beans"?  It's
   currently very popular among my students, and seems to be a favorable
   comment, but no one seems to know where it originated.

Well, considering that I've been saying it for, oh, about 15 years at least
(I'm now 28), I'd have to say *I* coined it.  I'd never heard it before I
started using it.  'course, it could have just spontaneously combusted upon
the slang scene and I was just one of many vehicles ... but I prefer to
think of it as mine alone.  

//anne, daring to fly//
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Subject:      Re: Steve P., I apologize, The Ronin
              12 Apr 1992 23:36:38 GMT from <gtoal@CASTLE.ED.AC.UK>

On Sun, 12 Apr 1992 23:36:38 GMT Graham Toal said:
>In article <WORDS-L%92041218141103@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
>WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (The Ronin) writes:
>>Steve,
>>
>>     I have done a careful rereading of my postings about STD's agree,
>>I owe you and the list an apology.  My thoughts were poorly formed and
>>clearly offensive with respect to classifying children as a disease.
>
>Quite right too.  Children are not a disease; they're a virus - passing
>on your genes to other unsuspecting children in another 20 years or so...
>
I appreciate the tone of Graham's defusing post in reponse to the Ronin's
unnecessary apology... I'm Catholic and thus certainly don't share his views
about unwanted children...but I thought he expressed them very wittily
by making the analogy with STD's....to me it was funny, not offensive...
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From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET%UGA.CC.UGA.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Mother Teresa
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> You can always count on college kids.  20 names, and only who has
> anything to say, and she is 16 on the list.
>                               Bill Sjostrom

Have you actually heard her speak??? If you've heard her once, you've
heard her 1000 times...She's not a good speaker.

When some friends grad from Yale a few years ago, Stephen Hawking was
the commencement speaker.  He had lost all powers of speechby then,
of course...so there was no speech.My favorite commencement!

Karen
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From:         "Peter Larimer @ U.N.H." <P_LARIMER%UNHH.UNH.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: America's Cup
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Captain Karlson, I missed the coverage yesterday, what happened? Has Dennis
been relegated to the dry dock?

Pete
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From:         "Aaron Dickey, The Happy Spore"
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Subject:      Re: Mail bar codes

::barely restraining myself from asking, "Why would you want to?"::

Chris--

There are programs for the Mac that will create these codes and put them on
envelopes for you.  If you're willing to fork out a few $$ for a little wand
you can read them too, as well as UPC codes, and all sorts of neat stuff. It's
much fun for the kids on a rainy day. :)

--Aaro
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From:         Captain CAAAAAAVEMAN!!!!! <ARHODES%DREW.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Fitting in

In article <tfilt199487@drew.edu>, The Ronin <WHITERJ@MSCD.BITNET> writes:
> Inquireth     Adam M Hartfield <AHARTFIE@DREW.DREW.EDU>
>
>> Are there any other college students, lurking or not (adult
>> education counts too)?
>
>      The Ronin is a part-time undergraduate at a college (no graduate
> level programs here at Metro).  And The Ronin only has one 'A' in his
> name, and that is the second letter of his middle name, which he
> doesn't use anyway.
>
> The Ronin
>
        As Adam knows, I am an undergrad.  And if all all goes well,  I
will be a graduate this May.

                          |_
                          Oo\ Alex
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Well, really.
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>
> > Rats!  Where did everybody go?  Here it is Thursday night, with a
> > holiday tomorrow when I don't have to get up at 4:30 a.m., and I'm here
> > all by myself?  I'm almost desperate enough to try to come up with a
> > definition of slang.

POSTING TO THE RESCUE, THE RONIN REASSURED:
>
>      No need to get drastic, here.  The Ronin was in class and then
> attempted a COBOL student, but he is back on the terminal for a couple
> of hours.

Oh, good...I feel better.  I was also contemplating grading some of the
papers that have to be graded before 7:30 a.m. Monday...naaah, I knew
someone would come along and save me from that.
ndh
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Brazilian gleanings?

Stumbleth     Tushar Samant <tushar@ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU>

| >>a spanner in the works when I try to talk to someone from The
| >   ^^^^^^^
| >   don't you mean 'wrench'?
|
| "Spanner" is what he means.

     But Tushar, he claimed to be using American English, so 'spanner'
is incorrect.  IMHO it should be 'monkey wrench', not merely wrench,
anyway.

| They are exclamations. My guess is that "begorrah" means "by god".
| When is the Erin go bragh explanation coming ?

     Once again you fail to listen closely.  The 'Erin go bragh' was
emended to 'Erin go braghless'.  Substitute an explanation for 'Erin
go bragh' into the emended quote and it is explanationless.

The Ronin
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE%IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Update on Pre-Clam Slam
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              8 Apr 1992 19:24:00 MDT from <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>

On Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:24:00 MDT The Ronin said:
>Sayeth        Rita <rita@EFF.ORG>
>
>> leather jacket -- I suggest we all post exactly what we're wearing tomorrow
>> so we can find each other more easily (and better hog bandwidth).
>
>     Does that mean no nude posting in Cambridge, tomorrow?
>
   Couldn't "what we're wearing" include an empty set?  And besides, its
always possible to be wearing something at first....

dan, who will miss the bash, unfortunately.....but the ticket would cost
me $1248 to get there for it....though could make it....so I'll go to the
dentist instead.

dan
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From:         "PLOTKIN, ALEC DAVID" <185422285%UCIS.VILL.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Odder and Odder
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Steve,

It is not more awful that Ashe has AIDS. I was just commenting on the fact.
I enjoy tennis and he is an ambassador of American Tennis. He was also the
first black to win Wimbolden(sp.)


later

alec
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From:         Adam M Hartfield <AHARTFIE%DREW.DREW.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CALLING ALL STUDENTS OF RUSSIAN
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>>
>>BTW, when you say Webster's, do you mean a real Merriam-Webster or
>>one of those imitators that's taken advantage of a lost trademark?
>>
>I'm not sure how to spot the imitators.  This is "The Merriam-Webster
>Dictionary" published by Pocket Books, a division of Simon & Schuster, Inc.,
>copyright 1974 by G & C. Merriam Co.  Is that an imitator or the real thing?
>
>>--Adam
>
>Janet

Sounds like a hybrid--maybe MW didn't want to go through the trouble
of printing a paperback edition, so they contracted out to Pocket
Books.

--Adam, wondering why he's blathering on about it
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Did It!
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I just made it through the mail.  Then I realized that our bitnet link
is down (as usual).  That means that I'll be getting duplicates of lots
of the mail I just went through. :-(  The point of this note is to let
you know that almost all of the delivery-error messages were from France.
Now I'm vanishing, possibly for most of the day and night.  Don't
anybody say anything interesting while I'm gone!
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
From: gtoal@robobar.co.uk (Graham Toal)
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Subject: Quote of the day
Date: 10 Apr 92 07:49:08 GMT
Organization: Robobar Ltd., Perivale, Middx., ENGLAND.


Since our Quotemeisterin has abrogated her responsibilities, I thought
I might take over for a while.  The new QotD service will attempt to
find words-relevant quotations rather than just opening some book of
quotations at random...

Quote of the day:

       "What do you read, my lord?"
                                   Polonious
       "Words, words, words"
                                   Hamlet
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From:         "The harder I work, the behinder I get"
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>After I logged off while ago, I kept thinking that there obviously must
>be a U.S. customs gate when leaving the country -- for various reasons.
>I guess it's just one more gate in the mess of lines and gates.

	Yeah, but you don't have to go through it because you're an American
	citizen.  At the US-Canada border, *only* the receiving country has a
	gate -- as a citizen of one of the two, I don't know what they do with
	citizens of third countries.  For us, it's a snap ('where were you
	born" "are you bringing in cigarettes or alcohol" "enjoy your stay").

>>      And for the question about how a country could enforce a ban on
>> going to another country, all the country would have to do is examine
>> the stamps in your passport on the way back home and deny access.

>How many times has a customs agent actually looked at the stamps in
>your passport?  I don't remember a single time.  Besides, it seems
>these days that most countries don't bother stamping passports anyway.
>I guess some of the ones considered most "dangerous" would be the ones
>to stamp passports, though.

	I'm pretty sure that some Arab countries still check to see whether you
	have an Israeli stamp on your passport.  The only time I've really seen
	the official check carefully was when I was leaving England -- he
	looked for my 'entry' stamp, and carefully place his 'exit' stamp
	overlapping it.  Some sort of 'closure' I suppose.

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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      fresh meat

>There is, by the way, a big difference between fresh meat and spoiled meat.

While I would be the last to play down the enormous punch packed in this
devastating repartee, I would also like to point out something which has
begun to irritate me a bit. I am all for the spirit of fun, and all in a
family and what have you, but I do wish that if some nerds like me indulge
in a discussion which IS serious to us, they should be given a chance,
without the teasing scenes of one's schooldays replayed. ("Darn, why does
he keep going on with that tiresome old thing ?")

Now the above witty line applies to a cryptic "you know who you are", so
it is kind of difficult for me to object to it, but one doesn't reply to an
argument by saying "Oh yeah ? Then your face looks like a pig's bum". More
embarrassing than saying it is commending it afterwards. Just the kind of
thing calculated to make everyone look like puny little characters patting
each others' backs.

(Since I am on this topic, I might as well unchest other things. Like for
instance saying "Oh, are we jealous, Torky-worky ?". Address the question.)

In short, DON'T rush to put the most trivial construction on what people
say. And please don't reply with trivialities once in a while.

tushar
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