HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cryan@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (scott cryan 283-4109)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: UG vs. HG chain...
Date: 27 Jul 1992 16:19:26 GMT
Distribution: usa,local
Organization: McDonnell Douglas Space Systems Company

In article <25JUL92154730@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu>, jbrodsky@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu (cool flowin gotta keep goin...) writes:

|> think it over.  If you get the UG chain, remember to get the CORRECT
|> chainbreaker for the chain.  A standard chain breaker won't work with a 
|> Shimano chain, ask around.
|> 
|>     Joel Brodsky   jbrodsky@hacks.arizona.edu
|>                    jbrodsky@seagull.tucson.az.us
|>                    jbrodsky@maria.wustl.edu
|>                    jmbrodsk@nyx.cs.du.edu

I have a Cyclo chain rivet extractor that cost my $5 (US) and works fine on my
UG chain. Just don't push the pin all the way out. Just my $ 0.02 worth.

Finster
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe)
Subject: Re: olympics - CATHY WATTS WINS IWRR!!!
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:30:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.221456.7044@physiol.su.OZ.AU> gavind@physiol.su.OZ.AU (Gavin Dixon) writes:
>Good win by Cathy Watts in the individual women's road race.

Yes, a great move combined with the strength to see it through.

> Have the others ever heard of tactics ??? 8-)
> The three Australians made a lot of the breaks in
>the race...seems like a lot of the other riders were being a bit too cagey and
>hoping for a bunch sprint.

I don't think it was their fault.  I think that the short, flat
course, combined with the lack of real teams, left only two
possibilities: a relative unknown gets away, or a bunch sprint.  With
no real climbing, there was no way for a top rider to get away by
strength alone.  Longo, Van Morsel (sp?) and Thompson were watching
each other like hawks.  They immediately jumped on any move made by
one of the other two.  On the other hand, there was no motivation for
any one of them to chase down a move by a lesser rider, and they had
no real team support to do the chasing for them.  So the stalemate up
front set up the perfect chance for someone like Watts.

It's a sad reflection on the state of international women's cycling
that the Olympic gold medal was decided on a flat 50 mile course.

John_Ampe@att.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: boop@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (joseph.a.lapenta)
Subject: Re: Bad Accident - Bad Cops
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:16:27 GMT

In article <168337796.RONEAL@lexmark.com> RONEAL@lexmark.com writes:

> 
>No flames... unfortunately further confirmation of the sad truth you've
>pointed out.  In my hometown, I know at least two of the cops there... I
>grew up with them.  All through school... lazy butts that loved to bully
>kids around, tear wings off of flys, all the stereotypical 'rotton kid'
>kinda stuff.  Now they're carrying .357's and nightsticks... makes the
>hair on my neck stand.  I swear, the only reason one of them
>joined is for the free coffee and donuts.  I'd trust them to
>watch out for my interests about as much as I trust Congress to
>eliminate the deficit.  On the other hand, my cousin's husband is
>a cop and I'd trust him with my life. 
> 
>It takes all types... but unfortunately it seems that smart, trustworthy
>people don't always make it into the police departments.
> 
>I will say this in defense of the men in blue.  They do a job
>that I would *never* consider doing.  They place their lives on
>the line each and every day - you never know when some whacko is
>going to shoot a cop for being in the wrong place at the wrong
>time.  They have been entrusted with our safety and they defend
>it with their lives. 

You absolutely right.  My big problem is that one can't tell a
good cop from a bad cop until it's too late.  Good and bad alike,
they all hide behind their badges.

>So, rather than simply writing them off, we ought to try to educate them,
>assist them, etc. whenever possible.  Cop-bashing is the in thing to do
>right now, especially since the Rodney King incident and many others that
>have come to the surface.  The utter disregard that the cops
>showed in the incident that started this thread is totally
>without excuse.  They need to be educated, corrected, suspended,
>whatever it takes for them to realize they cannot betray the
>public trust in this way. 

I would do anything to assist them.  Got any ideas?

Joe Lapenta

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Subject: Re: TDF climbs...
Reply-To: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Organization: University of Trondheim, NORWAY
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 08:59:46 EDT

Thus spoke the keyboard of ogus@gaulois.berkeley.edu (Arthur E. Ogus):
>On one of these climbs (was it Galibier?) half the pack had to get off
>and walk.  Must have been pretty steep.

I've been watching most of the TdF (a friend of my got cabel TV and he
supplied with with vidoe tapes...), but I could not see nor hear anything
about riders walking up the Galibier climb or any other climbes. Have I
missed something? Can anyone else confirm this?

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From: madine@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (G. E. Madine, AT&T-BL/AL, cbnewsm.)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Crossing the Delaware [how to make like Washington]
Summary: Guards and RULES
Keywords: with a bike, of course
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:44:59 GMT
Organization: AT&T



I'm posting this because I think some netters might enjoy
the tidbit about not breaking RULES when crossing at Easton.

In the North and Central Eastern PA region you can cross at:
Port Jervis (don't know, should be O.K. on U.S. 6);
Milford, PA (walk bike);
Dingman's Ferry (ride bike, may have to pay a toll and suffer
    through a lecture from the PRIVATE owners of the toll bridge);
Delaware Water Gap on Interstate 80 (long walk, but you get to experience
     the the bouncing bridge as the 300000lb tanker trucks roar by);
Portland (ride bike on pedestrian bridge);
Belvidere (supposed to walk but there is a guard at only the NJ side);
Easton (both bridges, both must be walked, guards at both ends
     of "free" bridge are especially alert and work well as a team if
     you try to ride across--they are especially proud to have been
     alert enough to stop the RAAM riders a few years ago and ensure
     that they comply with THE LAW);
Riegelsville (I haven't tried this one.  There is a short guarded bridge
     that poses no safety concerns.  I don't know what THE RULE is though);
Milford, NJ (same as Riegelsville);

Gary E. Madine, Allentown, PA
gem@aloft.att.com  
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Bicycle helmets (was Re: Ontario government ...)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 18:02:27 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Jim, _I'm_ big at 6'4" and 195 lb.s -- YOU are huge! :-)

A lady I know was riding in San Francisco and she looked the wrong
way at the wrong time. A pedestrian walked off the curb against the
light and she struck her.

Believe me that the damage to my friend was much more than to the
pedestrian -- even though she was wearing a helmet she struck face-
first and broke her jaw and palate among other things. Damned
lucky she didn't break her neck too.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general
From: arpepper@math.uwaterloo.ca (Adrian Pepper)
Subject: Re: Ontario government releases revised bicycle policy
Organization: University of Waterloo Math Faculty Computing Facility, Ontario.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:02:35 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.164249.8929@zooid.guild.org> gaea@zooid.guild.org (Mother Nature) writes:
[...]
>
>I think bicycle helmets are a great idea, and I think that all "serious"
>bicyclists (defined as bicyclists who do a lot of road riding, racing, or who
>go very fast) should wear one. But I would hate to see them mandatory, it
>would really put a damper on just taking my bike down to the store, or going
>for a leisurely evening ride.  

People seem to be ignoring the fact that mandatory helmet laws might
result in a lot of bicycles remaining in garages.  That is, if the
speaker above were in fact an infrequent cyclist who did not own a
helmet at all, they might keep leaving their bicycle in the garage
since they never got around to spending about fifty dollars on a
helmet.--A cost which may seem more than would be reasonable for them
to spend on a bicycle, let alone an accessory.  (Assume they have a
thirty-year old CCM one-speed in their garage...)

I do not know what the solution is.  Should proof of helmet ownership
be required when purchasing a bicycle?!  I truly believe that any fines
assessed for not wearing a helmet should be refundable towards the
purchase of a helmet.  But that is not likely to happen.  Presumably
during the phase-in period police will give "warnings", and perhaps
"summons" (such as you get for a bad tyre or a missing headlight in a
car).  But eventually, the police are only going to enforce a traffic
law which allows them to collect revenue.

The conflict-of-interest resulting from fine collection is too heavily
entrenched within the North American law enforcement system.  An entity
allegedly trying to reduce instances of offences should not profit by
catching people committing such offences.  If Bob Rae ever intends to
make any lasting change that most people would applaud, perhaps he
could begin changing this situation in general in Ontario police
forces.  Fines collected by a police force should not be seen by that
force.  This current practice encourages speeding traps, parking traps,
(helmet traps(?)) etc, rather than having police working towards zero
speeding, zero illegal parking, etc.  That is, they enforce
sporadically, in order to encourage a normal level of offenders which
they can then periodically "raid" in order to collect revenue.  (If the
laws themselves are actually silly, that is an even worse problem...)

Of course, helmet fines could always be collected at the hospital...

I have worn a bicycle helmet for over twelve years, but am not
convinced that laws making them mandatory are a good idea.  But I do
find it distressing that young people are dissuaded from wearing
helmets by some sort of "image-conscious" thing.  But then "image"
often has little relation to "law-abiding", anyway.  Maybe what we need
is a campaign aimed at eight-year-olds telling them how stupid bicycle
helmets are...8-)

Adrian.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: Barbora Deschenes <BRAB@UNB.CA>
Subject: Re: Mountain Co-op
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:13:26 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.224300.13840@r-node.gts.org> marcelg@r-node.gts.org (Michel) writes:
>In article <1992Jul26.233559.14551@sol.UVic.CA> jpanusa@sol.UVic.CA (John Panusa) writes:
>
>I'm a very happy customer of MEC.  They design most of the clothing and
>equipment they carry, as well as carrying most of the major outdoor
>equipment brands.  A note about their pricing policy: companies have
>stopped supplying MEC in the past because of the very low markup
>compared to other stores.  MEC is big enough now (300k members) that it
>has the clout to avoid such scenarios.
>
Oh yeah? They used to sell Blackburn racks(to put panniers on) but
Blackburn refused supply them so now they carry their own cheesey
brand....cheaper but not as good.....don't sit on them whatever you do.
....Barbora (barbora@unb.ca)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King)
Subject: Re: funny stretch pants
Organization: Reasoning Systems, Inc., Palo Alto, CA
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 18:39:15 GMT

In article <23JUL199222120733@iago.caltech.edu> lmh@iago.caltech.edu (Henling, Lawrence M.) writes:
> In the 'morning briefing' of the sports section of the LA Times of Sunday, 
>July 19 is a reprint of some comments by
> Mark Purdy of the San Jose Mercury News.
> He discusses the proposed realignment of pro baseball and suggests some other
>realignments, one of which is:
>
> "The Tour de France bicycle race should be realigned onto the Santa Monica
>Freeway - during rush hour. We would definitely see how many of those guys
>in the funny stretch pants are real men."

The bicyclists would have two serious problems:

  * exhaust fumes

  * the traffic would slow them down unmercifully

although i suppose the cyclists could think of the cars as stationary objects
and do slalom runs.  Is there a bike slalom in the Olympics?

-dk
From: bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: TDF climbs... Part II
Date: 27 Jul 1992 06:35:41 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigriver

In article <9207252357.AA10004@hplomg.hpl.hp.com> BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:
>I don't know why you attack with such invective Bruce.

OK, Jobst, I will tell you(and others on the net) why I hacked you.

It is for many reason, mostly because you are very hypocritical about
your actions on this net.  You vicously attack postings on this net
for reasons that you yourself display in your own postings.  You scold
people for not giving facts and then you fail to provide facts to back
up one of your own arguments.  One minute you say that you are correct in
an argument because the Pros do it and the next minute, to win a point
you say that you can't rely on such information because the Pros are
paid to use it.

For some reason you feel a need to launch vicous attacks on persons
on this net and use every trick in the book to make them look bad, this
includes stating half-truths, exaggerating and just plain lying.
Face it Jobst, just like everyone else on this network you have opinions.
You seem to show little respect for other people on this network and
your condescending tone has seriously damaged this group as an open
forum.  Many netters have expressed reluctance to post to this newsgroup
because of the fear that you will mount a vicious attack against them!

Remember, unless we are talking about past results of the Tour de France
(TIOOYK), it is just opinions, not truths, just opinions!

Enough said,

Bruce

ps - don't worry about me getting to Europe this year, it is just
a question of which invitation to accept(France, Switzerland or Italy?,
how about all three!)
From: Christine_Code@mindlink.bc.ca (Christine Code)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: "Waxing" a chain
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:39:37 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> scott cryan 283-4109 writes:
> 
> Msg-ID: <1992Jul24.162135.27342@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>
> Posted: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:21:3
> 
> Org.  : McDonnell Douglas Space Systems Company
> 
> I have been waxing my chains for a year now (man that sounds very ... ) and I
> don't think I will ever go back to using Tri-Flow or any other spray-type or
> drip on lube. Besides, I like how quiet it is having waxed chains. I have
> Shimano 105 (uniglide) components and not a single problem with shifts. Just
> my $ 0.02 worth.

I've been waxing my chains for the last 10 years or so and I will never go back
to spray or drip on lubes, either.

Advantages of chain waxing:

My chain stays clean - doesn't attract and hold road dirt.  I can grab my chain
with my bare hands and there will be no grime on my hands at all.  Wonderful!

Chains last longer when you wax them as road dirt doesn't get in between the
links and wear things down.

A waxed chain stays waxed for quite a long time, especially if the weather is
good.


Disadvantages of chain waxing:

You'll need to re-wax frequently if you ride in the snow or on streets that
have been recently salted.

If you're going to ride across the country, how and where will you wax your
chain?   I usually camp when I tour by bicycle and I'm not willing to carry a
double boiler and extra wax.  So I bring some drip-on chain lube when I go on
long tours, just in case.     Usually I only need to use the drip-on stuff if
I'm caught in a severe rainstorm and ride for hours in it.



There's my 2 cents!

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general
From: gregory@cs.sfu.ca (Gregory Sidebottom)
Subject: Re: Bicycle helmets (was Re: Ontario government ...)
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:56:04 GMT

In article <25JUL92.10843318.0078@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CZ94000 <CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> writes:

   In article <1992Jul24.164249.8929@zooid.guild.org> gaea@zooid.guild.org (Mother Nature) writes:
   >
   >I think bicycle helmets are a great idea, and I think that all "serious"
   >bicyclists (defined as bicyclists who do a lot of road riding, racing, or who
   >go very fast) should wear one. But I would hate to see them mandatory, it
   >would really put a damper on just taking my bike down to the store, or going
   >for a leisurely evening ride.
   >
   I disagree completely with you on this point.  
	[stuff about how you can whack your head going slow deleted]

It should also be noted that infrequent cyclist are more likely to
crash their bikes.  

	[more stuff about how modern helmets are comfortable deleted]

   Some morons used to yell "funny"
   remarks at me because of my helmet, but they're so commonplace
   nowadays that that "problem" has virtually disappeared.

In the three years that I've been wearing a helmet, I've never had any
'funny' remarks yelled at me.  In fact, I feel good about wearing a
helmet and I think I look pretty good in it.  I feel like yelling
'funny' remarks to people who don't where helmets, and I'm not alone.
One day I forgot to bring my helmet when I was checking out a mountain
bike race, almost everybody I encountered yelled "where's your
helmet?"  I really felt out of place, and unsafe.

   I wouldn't go further than the end of my driveway without my
   helmet on.  I've never needed it, just as I've never needed my
   seat belt.  But I think doing without either is foolish.

I've crashed and whacked my head pretty hard a few times while riding
out on mountain trails.  Once I hurt my neck pretty bad, but I didn't
even get a head ache.  I'd hate to think what would have happened if I
wasn't wearing a helmet.

Greg
-- 
Greg Sidebottom,                                      | There's not a word that
Expert Systems Laboratory, Centre for Systems Science | goes here that rhymes
Simon Fraser University, Burnaby BC V5A 1S6, Canada   | with anything. -CVB
From: bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Spontaneous blow-outs
Date: 29 Jul 1992 18:20:57 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigriver

In article <9207290226.AA04577@hplomg.hpl.hp.com> BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:
>Ron Larson writes:
>
>> The Velox rim tape is great.  I use to use a plastic rim tape but
>> discovered high pressure pushed it far enough into the spoke holes to
>> fracture the rim tape length wise and create a sharp edge on the tape
>> that actually sliced the tube.
>
>The plastic tape of which you speak must be Michelin yellow tape.
>I have had it crack lengthwise and have seen others with the same
>problem.  Cool Stop and Specialized tape works well with my rims.
>It is reusable and easy to lift off to give access to spoke nipples.
>I recommend it.  I find sticky tapes a pain to install and remove.
>
>jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com

I second the recommendation for the Cool Stop plastic rim tape.

Bruce

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: apm@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Andrew Merritt)
Subject: Re: UK Track Bike  (LOTUS Monocoque)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NSG-PWD, UK.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1scd1 PL4
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:23:33 GMT

There has been a lot of coverage of Chris Boardman's performance and
the monocoque bike over here.  Most refer to the bike being designed
and developed by Lotus Engineering, with no mention of Mike Burrows
who has been working on the bike for several years.  One exception was
"The Financial World Tonight", on Radio 4 last night, which even had
an interview with Mike.  

An interview on the radio this morning referred to the bike as the
Windcheetah, which sent me looking for my copy of Richard's Bicycle
Book, which confirmed what I had thought; that Mike Burrows designed
and built the Windcheetah SL, a recumbent tricycle also known as the
Speedy.  The same book, the 1989 edition, also has a picture of an
experimental design by one Mike Burrows, a monocoque bicycle with a
single bladed front 'fork'.  The text said that monocoque designs were
not allowed for UCI sanctioned events, but expected that this would
change.

This raised the following questions:

Is the Olympic Individual Pursuit a UCI sanctioned event?

Have the rules been changed in the last 3 years regarding the
eligibility of monocoque frames?

Are monocoque designs legal for time trials or road races?

By the way, in case it didn't get covered elsewhere in the world,
Chris Boardman set a new record time of 4.24.?? in yesterday's heats,
and he was coasting for about the last quarter of a lap.

As far as the way the bike works, the explanation I heard is that the
airflow over the frame, between the cyclist's legs, is laminar and
the lack of tubes means less leading edges to create turbulence.

Andrew
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: akins@flamingo.cis.ohio-state.edu (gregory adkins)
Subject: Re: Behemoth
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:12:06 GMT

The internet address for Behemoth is:

WORDY@bike.lab.sun.com

He's also on GEnie network and America on Line as WORDY.
You can read stories about histravels and technical updates ...
when you contact these boards.*

*from 8/91 Bicycling
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From: varvel@cs.utexas.edu (Donald A. Varvel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: contact number for Loose Screws?
Date: 31 Jul 1992 14:45:17 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <36347@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> adamr@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Adam Richman) writes:
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Being a bit of a loose screw myself, I would appreciate a
summary of responses.

-- Don Varvel (varvel@cs.utexas.edu)