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From: chaz@vicorp.com (Charlie Hileman)
Subject: oppose bike paths - why?
Organization: V. I. Corporation, Northampton, Massachusetts
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:14:37 GMT

I read the article recently posted on the net to Clinton opposing bike
paths.  I've been commuting to work both in big cities and small towns
for many years, and I can understand some of the points.  But why
oppose bike paths so strongly?

In my own area, there are old railroad beds that are now converted to
bike paths.  I ride on the regular roads most of the time, but I
certainly enjoy riding on the path, away from the fumes, noise, and
dust.  I know there are more obstacles, and potentially more
accidents, and I slow down accordingly.  Most of the accidents I have
seen on paths involve little kids, dogs, novice bikes, roller skaters,
and careless bikers with walkmans.  Still, I consider such an accident
far less severe than one with a car.

If the government sees bike paths as the solution to getting bicycles
off the road, this is a problem.  But if bicyclists' concerns are
effectively represented for regular roads (wider roads with bicycle
lanes, respect for bicyclists, etc.), then is there any reason to
oppose bike paths, which give so many novice bikes, pedestrians,
children, and even regular bicyclists (going a little slower) pleasure
and respite from the foul-aired fossil fuel hunks of metal always on
my back?

	--Charlie Hileman			ARPA:  chaz@vicorp.com
	  V. I. Corporation			UUCP:  uunet!vicorp!chaz
	  Northampton, Massachusetts
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: praetzel@marconi.waterloo.edu (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: Results of Need Help, Deraileur Problem
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:32:46 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.090811.2965@titan.ksc.nasa.gov> severn@titan.ksc.nasa.gov writes:
>1. Bullseye pulleys _DO_ spin easier than the stock pulleys on the newest
>Shimano Ultegra, so the comment about stock pulleys being of much better design
>is NOT true.
   I would like to expand on this a bit.  Bearings lubricated with oil rather
than grease, non-sealed bearings compared to sealed ones ... and many other
things will spin easier with your fingers but when you are on the bike it is
a different matter.  I keep reading about people feeling the difference between
Bulleye pulleys when there is no way they could.  99.9% of their force is
being expended against the road or other mechanical losses.  Of that tiny
fraction that is left the Bullseye pullies will be a few percent different
when compared to normal bushing type pulleys.  Feel that?  No way.
  I would argue that stock pulleys are of a far superior design than Bullseye
ones.  They are cheap, last a long time, work well, take no maintaince to 
speak of even though they dissipate slightly more energy.  But then if you
ride a Bullseye equiped deraileur thru the winter my bet is that without a
lot of maintaince you will be much better off with stock pulleys.
 - Eric
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: maxwell@sun44.synercom.hounix.org (Allan Maxwell)
Subject: Re: Signalling right turns
Keywords: hand signals, traffic law, cycling
Organization: Synercom Technology, Inc., Houston, TX
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:14:21 GMT

If I recall correctly (it has been close to 10 years), the Texas
*driver's handbook says that auto drivers must, obviously, use the left hand
for left-turn, right-turn, and stop should their cars signalling system fail.
However, bicyclist and motorcyclist should indicated a right turn using
the right arm as you have discribed.  I have used this method with success
for eight or more years now with only one incident.  While commuting to 
school with my then roommate who happened to be from California (where the
laws may differ), I signaled a right-turn with my right arm.  He turned
left and to this day argues that I am signalling for a left-turn anytime
that I point either of my arms staight out.

*or whatever the handbook (the one with the stoplight on the cover) is called


Allan Maxwell
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Subject: Re: Tour de France (from l'Equipe):  Stage 18
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:10:32 GMT

Trying to see who's paying attention, Brent? :-)

In article <25362@sophia.inria.fr>, seales@taquilee.inria.fr (Brent Seales) writes:
 > The Tour de France
 > Stage 18 (Thursday, July 23)
 > Montlucon - Tours
 > (212 km)
 > 
 > Almost everyone finished in the peloton except:
 > 127. Rondon A. (GAT)		     3' 54"
 > 128. Moreels S. (LOT)		     6' 30"
 > 129. Kokkelkoren M. (BUC)	     7' 20"
 > 130. Quevedo F. (AMA)		     7' 21"
 > 131. Harvey D. (BARK)		 3h 12'  6"
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Well, ya know, he was only a domestique for LeMond, so when His Hero
Gregbo dropped out, I guess he just couldn't muster the energy to continue.

I hear the "Harvey Bark" is a good way to scatter the cheering, interfering,
bystanders, though...

-- 
/\        Ilana Stern DoD#009 | Whoever first said, "Things are seldom as they 
  \_][    ilana@ncar.ucar.edu | seem," was wrong.  Things are usually as they
      \_______________________| seem.  Otherwise, they wouldn't seem that way.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,can.general
From: eric@tfs.com (Eric Smith)
Subject: Re: Hand numbness after extended cycling
Organization: TFS
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 05:09:58 GMT


One more thing that might help:  Adjust the seat and handlebar heights
and angles such that your wrists bear less of your weight.  The same
numbness once happened to me and that seemed to solve the problem.

When it happened to me, I couldn't even unlock the door to my house.
My hands were more or less useless for a week.  (I told everyone, "I
seem to have lost my grip." :-)

I was wearing good bicycle gloves, so they alone don't prevent it.  I
think the main factors are probably the weight on your wrists and the
stiffness of the bicycle.  If it's a racing bicycle, and if you are a
top-heavy person, it might be a serious problem.  The stiffness is
probably a big factor because a stiff bicycle transmits more vibration
to your hands.  But the weight borne by the wrists is probably the
biggest factor of all.
From: adamr@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Adam Richman)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: contact number for Loose Screws?
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:58:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, San Diego

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From: chapman@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Larry Chapman)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:25:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: what floorpump to buy?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles


I use my lips.  When they wear out, they just grow back in a few days.

-- LSC
From: berman@nlm.nih.gov (Lew Berman)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: cleaning and lubricating a chain
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:08:58 GMT
Reply-To: berman@nlm.nih.gov
Organization: National Library of Medicine

I've been told by my local bike shop that dawn detergent and regular 10w40
motor oil are good for cleaning and lubricating the chain.  Agree or
diagree?

Thanks,

Lew Berman
From: mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:55:37 GMT
Subject: Re: Tunturi Bikes
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

In rec.bicycles, ccoprbm@prism.gatech.EDU (bruce mccullough) writes:

> I have recently purchased a bike named Tunturi and understand that it is
> manufactured by a Swedish company that makes stationary bikes. My question
> is - Does anyone else own one of these? I think in all its not a bad bike
> but it just misses the mark.

Is this the same bike offered on closeout from Damark?  I have a friend who
bought a $1xx (normally $3xx) Shimano 200 GS equipped MTB from them, and I
*think* "Tunturi" was the brand she said it was.  She also said it was
originally marketed by Sears, according to Damark.  I've seen it once - looks
like your basic 200 GS bike (a la Specialized Hard Rock) to me.

Have I just insulted a great Finnish bicycle company by confusing it with
something else entirely?  I do recall buying a bike from Sears once long ago,
being told it was made in japan, and had a name that my mind remembers a
"Tenteki"...

--------------
Marc Sabatella
marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
From: d3a132@pnl.gov (Carl P Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Help! Knee Pain
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:35:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: oracle.1992Jul29.153539.5454
Reply-To: d3a132@pnl.gov
Organization: Battelle Pacific Northwest Laboratories

In article 9171@osf.org, david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.153118.16936@oracle.pnl.gov>, d3a132@pnl.gov (Carl P Baker) writes:
>
>|> 
>|> The other major problem is caused by incorrect fit on the
>|> bike.  You need to find a Pro-shop with equipment like the
>|> fit-kit to position you on the bike.
>
>Your chance of finding a Fit-Kit outside of the U.S. is slim. (the original poster lives in the French Maritime Alpes).  Fit-Kit is some American techno-fix for the 'Pro-Bike Supermarket' which isn't.  A good bike shop should be able to advise on fit anyway.  Cleat's are a good one to watch for knee pain - esp. clipless pedals.
>
>David.

Maybe one of these days I will learn to look at headers and find out where
people are from :-)!

Carl P Baker
cp_baker@pnl.gov
509-375-2724

Disclaimer: Any opinions expressed here are not necessarily
those of anyone in particular. Further, my employer is not
responsible for any opinions herein, or for any...(humorous
slam of employer deleted in the interests of)...
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: pauls@icecreambar.css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Subject: Re: Hub bearings
Organization: University of Michigan
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:16:24 GMT

In article <3702@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> jwgst2+@pitt.edu (James W  
Gourgoutis) writes:
> Dear Rec.bicycles:
> 
> 	I just got my new wheelset today from Nashbar for my MTB project.
..
> axels seem kind of tight.  The rear hub is VERY tight.  Are these axels
> supposed to be used this way, or should I adjust them?  I have heard  
about
> running new hubs a little tight to "bed in" the new bearings and races.   
Is
> this the reason that these hubs are tight?  Please advise!!!!  Thanks!

Hubs are left tight while building so that the wheel does not rock in the  
truing stand.  Otherwise it's tough to get to close tolerances.  They just  
forgot to adjust them when they were done.  One reason why a local dealer  
is sometimes a better bet.  But you should just make the most of it, call  
them up, bitch them out, and tell them to send you a couple free cone  
wrenches...
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Question on history of Bridgestone
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:08:02 GMT

bv575@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Pamela J. Turner) writes:
>So does anyone have a Bridgestone racing bike?  Do you recommend
>Bridgestone?  What other racing bikes would net-land recomment?
>Pam
I have a Bridgestone RB-1 that I bought about two weeks ago.  It is an
excellent bike and I highly reccomend it.  The geometry is absolutely perfect,
the best I've ever ridden and that includes custom steel frames, carbon fiber,
and aluminum.  The RB-1 has Ultegra components and an Ishiwata steel frame.
I paid $999 for mine.  I did have some probelms with my wheels coming out of
true but that was probably the shops fault.  Still I would have the spoke
tension checked out just in case.  The best thing to do is find an RB-1 (or RB-2) and ride it.  You'll see what I mean.  I also have a Bridgestone MB-2 
mountain bike and love it as well.  Feel free to ask me any questions you might
have.
-Terry

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: Are You a Bikaholic?
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:03:52 GMT

RADDAMSW@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK writes:
>Sriously though, I often find myself unconciously relaxing my arms and legs a
>little whenever the car goes over any bumps in the road!

Kinda hard to get your butt off the seat in anticipation, tho...:-)
-- 
<> Bob `Bear' Geer <>  bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com                           /  <>
<>                 <>   (this *often* works)       __o      o   ,______/o  <>
<> Salt Lake City, <>  speaking only for myself,  -\<,     <\   ,__/   >   <>
<>          Ootah  <>  one of my many tricks      O/ O  __ /__,       /    <>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Subject: Re: Holy Moly! '93 Cannondale/Shimano
Reply-To: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Organization: University of Trondheim, NORWAY
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 11:21:51 EDT

Thus spoke the keyboard of Donald Jackson Pickett <dp32+@andrew.cmu.edu>:
>
>Just got a quick peek at the '93 Cannondale catalog (three seconds
>before the steroid guzzling freak at the counter grabbed it back). Some
>highlights:
> 
>* Their top of the line road bike is now 19 pounds. I remember a lighter
>fork with an oversized head tube.

Do you have some more information about the road bikes? What I like to know
is the model names and the equipment on those bikes.

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+
* I went back to my mother,           * Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes           *
* I said, "I'm crazy ma, help me!"    * University of Trondheim            *
* She said, "I know how it feels son, * The Norwegian Institute of Tech.   *
* 'cause it runs in the family."      * Division of Physical Electronics   *
*       - The Who, Quadrophenia       * e-mail: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no  *
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tssmith@netcom.com (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: stats on TdF in years past
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 22:03:47 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Jul25.013108.5888@midway.uchicago.edu> holz@midway.uchicago.edu writes (about the TdF):
[...]
> The number of victories for different countries (ie citizens of different
> countries):
>
>         France:         36
>         Belgium:        18
>         Italy:          8
>         Luxemburg:      4
>         Spain:          3 (4 with 1991, 5 unless indurain Screws up 1992)
>         Swiss:          2
>         Pays-BAS (?):   2
>         USA:            3
>         Ireland:        1

Pays-Bas is the French way of saying Low Countries, which means what we
call in English "Holland", which means Nederlanden (I think). Oh well,
just say "Netherlands".  BTW, there's an adminstrative unit in the east
of England also called Holland.  The county seat is Boston.  Aren't
place names fun?

The two Dutch (oops, another word) riders would have been Janssen in
1968, and Zoetemelk in 1980.  Anyone want to guess what Zoetemelk is
in English (Netherlands readers not eligible)?

The three US winners were, of course, Limmon, Limmon, and Limmon.

(Parenthetical note:  I've been a pretty severe LeMond basher in the past,
but was truly sorry that he had to drop out this year.  Hope he comes
back next year, or, better yet, for one of the autumn classics.)

> Well, that`s all I have time for now. If there is any interest, I could type
> some other stats.

Sure.  Great stuff.

> Happy riding

> Jim H

--Tim (tssmith@netcom.com)

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: langston@src.umd.edu ()
Subject: Bay Area Ride Suggestions Needed
Originator: langston@hendrix.src.umd.edu
Organization: Systems Research Center, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:02:39 GMT

	Hi everyone.  I'm going to ship my bike out ahead of me for my
summer vacation in the Bay Area.  I'm looking for suggestions for good
(mountain) bike rides there.  I did the Mt. Tam fire road the last time
I was there.  Any suggestions appreciated!
-- 
Richard Langston (langston@src.umd.edu)  (w) 301 405 6597 (h) 301 572 4817 
computer systems specialist/systems research center/university of maryland
   All that is left of my reason, are holes in the kness of my blues
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker)
Subject: Is it ok to soak cluster in gasoline?
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:49:30 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

 A pawl seems to be sticking intermittently on my rear SunTour 600 cluster.
I figured leaving it in a bucket of white gas with some moderate agitation
would clean up the problem.
 I just wanted to get some quick international feedback on the advisability
of this idea.

 P.S. I know, no smoking around the project.

 Thanks!


-- 
*******************************************************************
 paul@panix.com                            COMPULITE GRAPHICS
brooklyn, ny, usa                         Design & Consultation
*********************************************************************
From: manish@thinker.almaden.ibm.com (Manish Arya)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Presta to Shraeder tire valve adapters
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:21:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM Almaden Research Center

Has anyone found a presta to shraeder tire valve adapter that works
well?  I've only tried one, which a bike shop gave me for free
when I bought a bike.  It is a short piece of threaded aluminum
without any gaskets.  I've tried 3 different "car tire" pumps
with the adapter with no luck; the air always leaks quickly while
the pump is securely attached.

I bought a compact bicycle pump which lets me inflate the presta
tubes directly, but I'd like to also use the air compressor I
have at home.  If these valve adapters are all unreliable, then
I'll probably just change the tire tubes someday to a shraeder type.

- Manish Arya, manish@almaden.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jdm@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Jim Moore)
Subject: Re: But this one goes to 11
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 17:22:26 GMT

stek@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu writes:

>Big downhill sprint next month.  Is there a freewheel made that
>has an 11?  I have a Shimano 600 freehub (non hyperglide) also.
>Does anyone make an  11 for these?

>Paul Stek
>Stek@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu

Another route you might consider is a bigger chain ring. It
was reported that Phil Anderson used a 55T (or was it 56T?) to win a 
sprint in a downhill finish in this years Tour Du Pont. Greg LeMond 
appeared to have the stage, but spun-out in his 53x12.

jim
From: ssands@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Steve Sands)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Womens saddles
Keywords: Womens saddles
Date: 21 Jul 1992 16:28:00 GMT
Reply-To: ssands@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Steve Sands)
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Originator: ssands@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu


Would someone please send some recommendations on comfortable womens saddles..
My wife is not happy with the saddle she has..it's an Avocet, dont know which
one.  I know that someone compiled some stats on the comfort of saddles a while
back..anyone still have a copy of the results?  Thanks!

Steve Sands
ssands@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu



Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: akkana@netcom.com (Akkana Peck)
Subject: Re: Putting your bike on a diet
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 05:36:37 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Summary: reduce bike weight to jump higher

Re losing weight on the bike vs. losing weight on your body:

Rider weight and bike weight aren't the same thing.  Assuming a
non-suspension bike, bike weight is unsprung, rider weight is sprung.
As any book on vehicle handling will tell you, reducing unsprung weight
is more beneficial than the same reduction in sprung weight.

To take this to extremes: consider a bunnyhop.  You jump up and pull the
bike after you.  The distance you can jump is a function of (1) how high
you can jump (independant of bike) and (2) the ratio between your inertia
and the bike's inertia.  In other words, you want the ratio of the bike's
weight / your weight to be as low as possible if you want to do a lot of
jumping.  As a relatively light (compared to the "average" mountain
biker) rider who's addicted to jumping, I'm concerned with how much
my bike weighs.  If I lose weight myself, I improve my power/weight but I
hurt my inertial advantage over the bike unless I put the bike on a
radical diet at the same time.

Finally: someone already mentioned the problem of portaging the bike.
Important if you do cyclocross or if you have back problems ...

	...Akkana, MTB pilot-in-training
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: ULTRA marathon cycling
Date: 27 Jul 92 03:38:27 GMT

As has been discussed here at great length in years past, motorpacing
is a total sham with today's ability to computer model three dimensional
compressible flow (air).  A wind screen analogous to the windshield of
a convertible car, that blows the hair of the passengers forward with
great force, can be designed to push a bicyclist forward with such
force that above a design speed, the brakes must be applied to prevent
collision with the lead vehicle.  This was the case with John Howard's
land speed record.  The pedals were only there as a sham because the
gear ratio was so great that at walking speed, the speed at which drag
from air, friction and rolling are a minimum, the bike could not be
propelled even a short distance.  Hence the pedals could not contribute
to propulsion in any credible amount.  The gear ratio was selected to
be great enough to not throw the rider at top speed, nothing else.  He
was towed up to a fairly high speed where the wind screen's push became
effective.

I don't see why such a bike should even have a chain.  It is a dangerous
mechanical component that forces the rider to make useless movements that
disturb safe forward motion.  These bikes, for some reason do not use a
freewheel.  Probably because coasting would unmask the charade.

There are many stupid stunts and motorpaced records rate high in that
respect.  On the other hand I would welcome tandem paced "steher" track
races as they had in the ancient days because that is bicycling and
teamwork.  This effort is an aerodynamic stunt with similarities to
marathon dancing.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: sbixby@cup.portal.com (Steven W Bixby)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: ULTRA marathon cycling
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 13:53:35 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <22034@venera.isi.edu>

Dennis Allard (and others) take offense at a comment I made....
>sbixby@cup.portal.com (Steven W Bixby) writes:
>> I bet I could too, (for a few seconds, anyway) if I was mashing a huge
>> chainring and drafting an 18 wheeler......  Seems like he could all but sit
>> back and watch the scenery go by without pedalling....!
>
>If you think you can beat Secrest, either paced or unpaced for anywhere from
>two to eight days, then why don't you give it a try.  He currently holds
>the unpaced cross continental record of under eight days.  (unpaced)

Oh, don't worry, I wouldn't have a chance in hell of riding anything near like
Secrest, no worry at all.

But what kind of a record is he setting when he rides behind a specially
designed and implemented drafting vehicle?  An 18 wheeler, no less? As at 
least one other person suggested, motorpacing, as he did, is a sham.  I would
think that just about any half-serious rider would be able to get up to a
consistent 50+ mph speed when using a big chainring and a cyclist-sucking
vehicle to propel him/her to high speed with minimum drag.  Then the feat
becomes more aerobic exercise than it does high-speed cycling.

Although most of what I know of Secrest I learned through the net, I have a
great deal of respect for what he does.  I just think using a big truck as
a specially implemented drafting vehicle makes his latest feat less meaningful.

Finally, my first response was that of jest - I didn't and don't like to flame
people - it's pointless.

  -swb-  (sbixby@cup.portal.com)