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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: DV/X announcement
From: mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92 23:23:07 PDT
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

sarima@tdatirv.UUCP (Stanley Friesen) writes:

> In article <mark.702250627@snark> mark@snark.itc.gu.edu.au (Mark Hessling) wr
> |Is the special introductory offer for registered customers available to thos
> |of us who are registered for QEMM only ?
> 
> Yes, or at least that is what I was told by the man on the 800 line.

The man on the 310 line told me any registered of ANY QOS product
qualified.  I suppose that means you could go out and buy a $45 copy
of Manifest, and then spend $100 on DV/X, for a total of $145 if you
don't currently own any QOS product.

I asked him if he really meant ANY QOS product and he said yes, any
QOS product.



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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: mblum@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Cerebus)
Subject: DV/X over Localtalk??
Keywords: dv,x,localtalk
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 00:12:23 GMT

Does anyone know whether Desqview/X can use X-windowing over a
Appletalk/Localtalk network?

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: A4422DAB@vm.univie.ac.at (Erich Neuwirth)
Subject: NFS as PD
Organization: University of Vienna
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 17:31:33 GMT

is there any NFS client software in the public domain available,
compatible with DesqView and/or DesqView/X?



Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: valley@gsbsun.uchicago.edu (Doug Dougherty)
Subject: Re: demacs un dv?
Keywords: demacs dv
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:44:01 GMT

kemp@chinook.convex.com (Phil Kemp) writes:

>Some time ago I seem to recall a thread on running demacs under
>desqview. I checked the FAQ and found nothing. Is it possible? And if
>so how does one set up the correct environment.

demacs was compiled with DJGPP, right?  Assuming that to be the case,
what you have to do is get the GO32 patch from georgetown.navy.mil
(or something like that - I haven't actually done it, so I don't know
exactly what the address is).  The patch allows DJGPP compiled programs
to run under DV.

There is also a new version of DJGPP (1.6) coming out RSN.
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humor impaired)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: RE: DV/X AND THE 8514
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:44:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

-> According to my DV/X fact sheet, it does indeed support the 8514/A
-> adapter.
->
-> But who wants an interlaced 1024x768x256 display when you can get a
-> non-interlaced display using SVGA for a lot less money?

 8514/A, though now defunct, is a documented standard.  There are still
a lot of 8514/A cards available, some clones are not interlaced.  XGA
cards are still comparatively rare.

 VGA stops at 640x480x16, at least as far as IBM is concerned.  There's
no problem pushing to 800x600x16, but beyond that the card manufacturers
exercise their ingenuity.  Someday VESA compatibility will be
meaningful, but until then DV/X would have to have dozens of different
drivers, which might/might not work with various groups of cards,
depending on chipset, available RAM, manufacturer...
From: spring@cicero.spc.uchicago.edu (Yeow Meng Thum)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: DV and serial port communication
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:49:29 GMT
Organization: SSPPCC, University of Chicago

I have encountered two problems with Desqview.

1.	I have DesqView running Kermit.
	I am serially connected to a mini through COM1, my modem is COM2.
	Telling Kermit to use COM1 hands the machine.

2.	I repeated what I did above, this time using my modem. Kermit runs
	fine but a screen-capture TSR loaded earlier will not response to 
	its hot key ALT-W.

I will be all ears.

Y M Thum
From: David.Deitch@p0.f411.n133.z1.FIDONET.ORG (David Deitch)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: My Mouse Can't Dance
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:48:37 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:133/411.0 - (GIS)Atlanta, Atlanta GA

On Tue, 07/Apr/92 at 23:14, Erich Neuwirth said this to All:

 EN> It seems to me, from the manual and the setup program, that my
 EN> mouse should work w/o the driver hogging any memory at all. Anyone
 EN> got any ideas why it doesn't?

     That is for the bus mouse.  For a Logitech serial mouse, use the regular 
MS mouse driver.

          David Deitch, (GIS) Atlanta
 




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From: benny@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kaidi Weng)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: DesqView/X
Date: 1 Apr 92 21:44:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: mailer.1992Apr1.164433.28977
Distribution: na
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center


OK, it's April 1, 1992.  Anyone heard anything about DesqView/X?
Shouldn't they announce about their product today?(well, may be today
isn't over yet, they could announce that right before midnight).
Or this suppose to be an April Fool's joke?  :)

(too anxicous to see the product that I would believe anything people say
to me.  ;)

Kaidi.
(pardon me if there's spelling/grammar mistake).
From: cornet@duteca.et.tudelft.nl (Jan-Pieter Cornet)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: Upgrade, revisited
Date: 10 Apr 92 11:35:24 GMT
Distribution: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering

dkl@xcluud.sccsi.com (David Karl Leikam) writes:
>	On the subject of upgrades, I noticed in a local store today, Qram
>version 2.0, and was wondering about whether/how to upgrade?
> 
>   I have 1.0 and don't use it, since it can't really do too much with my
>hardware EMS 3.2 setup. Only 4 mappable page frames, so it moves just a
>little bit of stuff high, and still doesn't give me enough space to run
>adequately-sized Desqview windows. (From which you can gather that I don't
>use DV either.)
> 
>   Details:  386SX, AMI Bios, SCAT EMS chipset, not running QEMM386.

You know what, fellow? I have a Tandon 286AT, but with a screaming full
320K of useable EMS4. I get DOS windows upto 640K (also because of the
Hercules video adapter), under DV. You'll have a blast programming on
my machine.

And I'm in a filantropic mood today, and I'm prepared to use your grumpy
old 386sx machine. No sweat, we just swap machines, and you'll be happy,
OK?

Oh, yeah, BTW, I'll probably install QEMM386 on your machine as soon as
it arrives to make if 500% more usable... and DV, of course


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From: cornet@duteca2.et.tudelft.nl (Jan-Pieter Cornet)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Running windows apps under DVX (was: no longer using DV or QEMM)
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:42:07 GMT
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering

dkl@xcluud.sccsi.com (David Karl Leikam) writes:
>In article <23330021@hplsla.hp.com> davidr@hplsla.hp.com (David M. Reed) writes:
>>I am certainly no authority, but in response to this comment:
>># (2) DV does not support Windows in 386 enhanced mode.
>  Alas, not so. There are some Windows-based applications which *require*
>enhanced mode in order to run at all.  One that comes to mind immediately
>is PageMaker 4.0.

Yes, and another one is EXCEL.

But I wonder, since it is possible in DV/X to run windows apps directly,
ie. without having to load windoze itself (or so I'm led to believe,
please correct if I'm wrong), wouldn't it be possible to run these
Win-386-Enh only programs under DV/X?? Has anyone tried?

That would be a terrible good reason (for some) to upgrade to DV/X.

Thanks,
-- Jan-Pieter
cornet@duteca.et.tudelft.nl
 
PS. Yes, I'm still using that grumpy '286, but I'm asking this for a friend
    without Net Access but with a Job and a Computer (mind the Caps).
From: pentangl@spdcc.com (Scott Moir)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Telix + Wordperfect = Crash
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:45:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Apr10.164547.7019
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

I am running a 386/33 with 4Meg and DV 2.4 and QEMM 6.0 and I am
having a problem. When I attempt to run Telix and Wordperfect 5.0
at the same time, the system locks up. It I bring up Telix first,
WP5.1 asks me if other versions of WP are running. If I say no
and the program comes up, it drops my modem (running on port 3).
If I bring WP up first, when I attempt to bring up Telix it freezes
while attempting to initialize the modem.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance,
Scott

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From: hen3ry@cactus.org (Henry Velick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: My Mouse Can't Dance
Date: 6 Apr 92 05:49:35 GMT
Organization: Only When Necessary


 
Here's one for all the DV mavens in the audience: I've been using
DV/QEMM for a couple of years now, most recently on a 486-33 under
DOS 5 and 4DOS. Upgraded a while back to 2.42/6.02. Few problems.
Love it.
 
Last week, I finally put a mouse on my system. A Logitech Series 9
serial mouse, to be precise. If I tell DV (via setup) that I have
variant 3, that is, "Logitech (w/o MS driver)" then a mouse cursor
will appear on all screens and menus, but will not respond to any
mouse movement or button presses. If, instead, I load the MS
driver (in low memory, since it won't load high, grr), and tell DV
to use variant 2 (MS driver w/any of a multitude of rodents), the
mouse works fine, albeit with less RAM available than should be.
 
It seems to me, from the manual and the setup program, that my
mouse should work w/o the driver hogging any memory at all. Anyone
got any ideas why it doesn't?

- Henry
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: RE: DV/X AND THE 8514
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:57:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

-> So you don't consider it meaningful that there are VESA drivers
-> available for 90+ percent of all SuperVGA cards ever made, and
-> virtually all current SVGA cards are VESA capable (about 3/4 via 2-3k
-> TSR drivers and 1/4 via VESA in ROM)?

 No, I don't consider it to be meaningful.

 If you want to limit yourself to VESA's 800x600 mode your 90% figure is
apt.  However, most cards are compatible enough for 800x600 without the
need for VESA.  I haven't seen many cards that would do the higher
modes, or even bothered to implement the modes in ROM instead of TSRs.

 DESQview doesn't support VESA, and Bob Perry of Q'deck tells me they
have no intention of supporting VESA.

 Your mileage may vary.
From: andyross@infopls.chi.il.us (Andrew Rossmann)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: My Mouse Can't Dance
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 19:42:26 CDT
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

burton@asdsun.larc.nasa.gov (John Burton) writes:

> system with DOS 5 and NDOS (4DOS from Norton) and a Logitech
> Mouseman (bus version). I never *was* able to get the mouse
> to work with option 3, but as long as the Logitec driver was

  From what I've heard, the Series 9 mice default to the Microsoft
protocol at the hardware level. You are probably best off using option 2.

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From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Stealth stolen when in Windows!
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:20:06 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

I  am  running  QEMM  6.02 with the stealth option on so I have enough high
RAM  to  get all of Netware Lite up there. When I run Windows 3.0 and start
a  DOS  shell  the  ROM's re-appear! (checked with Manifest and debug) If I
actually  have  anything  loaded  high in the stealth area then the DOS box
will  crash  the  machine.  The machine is an AMI BIOS'ed 486/33 EISA based
system.

Has anyone else noticed this happen?

Is Stealth incompatible with Windows?

I really need all the high RAM I can get!


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BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@rtf.bt.co.uk
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: kemp@chinook.convex.com (Phil Kemp)
Subject: Re: DV/X AND THE 8514
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:28:07 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <396.70.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)  writes:

>-> So you don't consider it meaningful that there are VESA drivers
>-> available for 90+ percent of all SuperVGA cards ever made, and
>-> virtually all current SVGA cards are VESA capable (about 3/4 via 2-3k
>-> TSR drivers and 1/4 via VESA in ROM)?

> No, I don't consider it to be meaningful.

> If you want to limit yourself to VESA's 800x600 mode your 90% figure is
>apt.  However, most cards are compatible enough for 800x600 without the

I don't think 800x600x256 is the issue here. I suspect that the real
problem is 1024x768x256..

>need for VESA.  I haven't seen many cards that would do the higher
>modes, or even bothered to implement the modes in ROM instead of TSRs.

Well, my ATI OEM 1024 has a vesa mode for 1204x768x256.

> DESQview doesn't support VESA, and Bob Perry of Q'deck tells me they
>have no intention of supporting VESA.

That's funny, I just talked to them yesterday and they said that the
vesa drivers are being worked on... I pressed the fellow and he
indicated it would be 'weeks' and not 'months' before they are ready.

> Your mileage may vary.

True enough. Just as a side note there are some internal QOS people
just as interested in hi-res support for the ATI chip set.  They are
looking for the paying public to convince the development team to step
up and build these drivers.

PK


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From: nevries@accucx.cc.ruu.nl (Nico de Vries.)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: pcweek, what a joke!!!
Keywords: dv/x pcweek ziff-davis
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:41:52 GMT
Organization: Academic Computer Centre Utrecht

In <bill.702752873@chaos.cs.umn.edu> bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu writes:

>'m surprized. did i miss it? did no one see the coverage in pcweek
>concerning the release of dv/x?
>well here it is in it's entirty:
>QUARTERDECK last week shipped Desqview/X, an X Window system for DOS PCs...

>that sit !
>and on the back page even.

>but windog s* get almost the whole mag and a separate printing also ~(:{)
>makes me mad ~~~~~~~

>b i l l

>--
>bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu

When I received the small booklet about DesqView/X a long time ago I
thought it would be the OS of the future (or program manager to avoid
DV/X is not an OS flames). It looked superior and if it had run it
would have been superior. I had already some planning on software for
the system. 
Now after Windows 3.1, OS/2 2.0 and all those impressive talks about
NT and OS/2 2.1 (which I take with a grain of salt but many consumers
are going to believe) I think DV/X will only be interesting for a specific
segment of the market. I expect DV will raise the prices of its products
to make sure they urn enough memory with it.
I no longer believe in DV/X althought I have been a believer for quite
a long time. I am afraid many people will agree with me.
Due to the specialistic market of QD (only MS-DOS improvers) I think
they are going to have a hard time, a very hard time.

Nico de Vries
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From: bassoon@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: DV/X and OS/2 2.0--Request for info
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:31:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: vax1.1992Apr15.103106.1727
Organization: Mankato State University

A question for those who continually post to this newsgroup--

I am considering revising my current setup, either updating to DV/X or
IBM's OS/2 2.0.  Both are new programs, and I realize there is considerable
debate as to which is preferable.

My equipment, software, and how I use them:

I have a Northgate 386--20 Mhz computer with 67Mb hard drive.

I use the computer for word processing and outlining lectures (60% of the
time), database (25%), graphics (music editor--10%), and communications (5%).

I use DV 386 to transfer information between text-based programs, and to
increase productivity, so that I can edit while downloading files or printing
files, or interrupt a word-processing session to go to a database for
information, and then return to the original session.

I use 4dos to provide more room for DESQview, and for other utilities that it
provides--like adding file descriptions, moving files without additional
utilities, and enhanced directory, copy, and delete options.

I do not use Windows because I like the flexibility and _adaptability_ (and
speed) of DOS programs that I use.  I used a Macintosh for approximately 18
months in addition to MS-DOS, and found that GUI programs frustrated me at
every turn. Anytime I wanted to do anything beyond the normal parameters of a
program, I was thwarted by a manual which was a tutorial instead of a true
reference. The only way to answer questions was to call up the software writer
(things like: how to get page numbers in footers to print in a different font
than the text in Microsoft Word).

I do not use Unix or Unix-based programs, other than those which I encounter
dialing into various bulletin boards.

What I am looking for:

A better way of dealing with files.  Shells that I have tried to use seem to
conflict with DV (or my set-up) in one way or another.  I have tried the DOS
Shell in MS-DOS 5, the PC-Tools Shell, DShell, and DVTree.  I abandoned each
in a relatively short period.  I have tried 4files, a file manager for 4dos
which works (apparently) quite well with 4dos, but it crashes under DESQview
(the current version is apparently a beta test version without full
capabilities.)  The one thing I liked about the Mac was the way in which
files were linked to applications, and the ease with which documents could be
moved from one directory (folder) to another or deleted; Shells like those
listed above don't provide an adequate means of doing this, or if they do, it
would take me so long to figure out the manuals and instructions, that I would
be remiss in fulfilling my other job duties.

Does either DV/X or OS/2 2.0 help in this regard?

Any help or suggestions would be welcome.  I note that DV/X and OS/2 2.0 are
both available for ca. $100.  I would prefer, naturally, not to buy both and
have one turn into shelfware.

Thanks in advance.

John E. Lindberg
Music Department
Mankato State University, Box 5
Mankato, MN 56002-8400
From: theall@gdalsrv.sas.upenn.edu (George A. Theall)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Beta-testers wanted for an alarm clock for DV
Date: 12 Apr 92 13:52:08 GMT
Organization: Social Science Computing, University of Pennsylvania


   DVAlarm is a DV-specific alarm clock I'm developing. It offers up to
9 alarms, takes up 25K of conventional memory, and will be public domain
when finally released. I'm looking for a few people to help beta-test it. 
If you're interested, please send email dvalarm@gdalsrv.sas.upenn.edu. 
You'll need uudecode and DV v2.20 or better. Thanks in advance,


George
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: portuesi@tweezers.esd.sgi.com (Michael Portuesi)
Subject: Re: Ok, should I upgrade to DV/X?
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 18:16:13 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.031702.24154@xraylith.wisc.edu>,
bodoh@xraylith.wisc.edu (Daniel J. Bodoh) writes:
|> Video is also slow, but don't blame QOS for this.  The PC
|> video architecture is not designed for GUIs.  You don't want
|> to use the 256-color version of the X server if you have a
|> standard SVGA card.  The 16-color serverv is tolerable.
|> Scrolling is definitely slower.  Again, if you want 
|> the same quality of video that you see on your favorite
|> Unix workstation, get ready to throw money at your
|> computer -- look at the graphics coprocessor and
|> accelerator boards out there.


And people thought that I was crazy for wanting to buy
an 8514 display (which has hardware features for accelerating
X windowing) instead of SVGA.

Of course, in order for graphics coprocessors and accelerators
to be useful with DV/X, DV/X either has to have built-in support
for the acceleration features, or have custom drivers to use
them.  They just don't work like magic.


m.


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From: bodoh@xraylith.wisc.edu (Daniel J. Bodoh)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Broken DV-specific prgs in DV/X (was Re: Received my DV/X)
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:35:28 GMT
Organization: Center for X-ray Lithography, UW-Madison

In article <1992Apr13.040440.28863@midway.uchicago.edu> valley@gsbsun.uchicago.edu (Doug Dougherty) writes:
>Maybe DVSI WN should have a colors command, to change the colors in a
>window by remote control...  (Is this possible?)

Maybe.  I'll have to study the API.  Some of the WN subcommands will
not work as expected in DV/X.  WN FRAME N gets rid of the frame, but
the inverse doesn't seem to work.  WN HIDE will iconify the window.
WN RAISE is slow, and will not de-iconify a window.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview