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From: huang2@husc8.harvard.edu (Howard Huang)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
Subject: Re: How to intercept UNIX system calls ?
Date: 27 Sep 92 17:09:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc8.HUANG2.92Sep27100942
Followup-To: comp.unix.wizards
Organization: Harvard Arts and Sciences Computer Services, Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: imtst@pitt.edu's message of 20 Sep 92 14:05:58 GMT

imtst@pitt.edu (I-ming Tsai) writes:

	   When I tried to substitute the system calls with my own functions,
       I wrote the following simple program:

	[...]

	   I compiled them (under Sun 4/470 running SunOs 4.1.2) using

		    cc -o test test.c myfunction.c

       I executed the "test", but got nothing. It didn't print my strings 
       on the screen. Any help ? Thank you in advance !

Don't name your program test.  test is the name of another program,
/bin/test, which is used in shell scripts.  You may be running
/bin/test instead of your own "test"; you can find out by using the
which command:

which test

To run yours, either rename it to something else or do

./test



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Date: 27 Sep 92 23:12:20 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
Subject: Re: Origins of Unix
Distribution: world
From: jonw@assip.csasyd.oz.au (Jon Wright)

In <lbugocINNkql@west.west.sun.com> markk@pongo.West.Sun.COM (Mark Allen Kampe) writes:

>The name "UNIX" is based on that most venerable and ancient OS "MULTICS".  I believe
>that Ken worked on "MULTICS" at MIT, and that at Bell Labs he strove to build 
>something just as elegant but much simpler.  Simpler than "MULTICS" would be "UNICS".


To understand the derivation of UNIX(tm) from Multics
	-> Someone (Ken Thompson?) described UNIX(tm) as being
	   Multics with no balls!
From: tim.meade%theweb@meaddata.com (Tim Meade) 
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
Subject: SYSTEM V FILESYSTEM
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:30:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Web BBS 1-513-436-9011 6 Lines 1200 News groups 50,000 files!
Reply-To: tim.meade%theweb@meaddata.com (Tim Meade) 

Requesting: information about the interface between the kernal and the
disk device driver in SVR4 (and also in Sun OS 4.x and Sun Solaris).
Specifically: just what calls does the kernal make to the device driver?

What we are TRYING to do is replace the standard disk driver with our
own loadable one: we want the kernal I/O requests to come to our driver
instead of the normal one.  So we need to know:  1) just what those I/O
request will be, and  2) how to get the kernal to direct them to OUR
device driver.

                                Thanx.  Tim.
                                                                                  
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
From: borrel@dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen)
Subject: Automated mail > file cat & decoding ?
Reply-To: borrel@dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen)
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 09:55:20 GMT

Automated mail > file cat & decoding ?

We need a shell script, program, gizmo that reads a mail spool file, recognizes a  
series of uuencoded images (which are not necessarily in the right order), extracts  
them, cats them in the right order, strips headers and decodes. 

Tall order?

We're running the Internet anonymous ftp site for the NOA/NESDIS wxsat waffle server  
being run by the System Support Group. Images are fed over as mail. They're not  
always in the right order and other type of mail will be interspersed. It would of  
course, also be useful to have other, plain mail automatically saved too. Ideally,  
we're looking for a mail reading agent with an IQ high enough to see the difference  
between text and uuencoded binary and to know what to do with it. Ie. read, sort,  
convert and sluice it to the right directory of anonymous ftp account.

If anyone has any tips, scripts or code that they think might help, we'd be  
etarnally grateful.


Kjell Are Refsvik <kjellr@dhhalden.no>
&
Barre Ludvigsen <borrel@dhhalden.no>
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
From: btb@NCoast.ORG (Brad Banko)
Subject: tty security
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:42:39 GMT



	I was wondering, is it possible to hide your actions on a unix
system by encrypting the tty file or some other method? It would be useful in dealing with nosy admins and the such. Any suggestions?

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux activists unite all you have to lose is you
From: haley@husc10.harvard.edu (Elizabeth Haley)
Date: 1 Oct 92 04:15:29 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Sep29.193435.12556@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>So why not bombard BYTE with letters asking them to cover free software?

I waited a couple of days, hoping one of the Regular Wizards (regwiz?) would say something, but now I have to speak...
I don't know what article inspired this reply, but it suggestes
someone was complaining that Byte doesn't cover free software. 
Surely you are Kidding?
Byte, as I remember from It's earlier days has always had tons of
advertisements, and therefore tons of *advertisers* who *pay* them
large dollars to *sell* their software products in the Pages of BYTE.
Like, say the Santa Cruz Operation, publisher of a well known version
of Unix.
Of course they're not covering free software, their advertisers would
stop sending them checks!
You may see mentions once in a while, but never regularly...
What you might want to do is check out a Magazine like the C Users
Journal, which is still somewhat commercial, but does cover the nets
somewhat.

Excuse me if I have made any gross errors.
Also excuse me if I singed anyone who didn't deserve it...
From: young@wattle.dg.oz (Philip Young)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
Subject: Re: unix prompt
Date: 2 Oct 92 05:20:39 GMT
Organization: Data General Australia

Miloslav Blazek (milos@lion.ics.muni.cs) wrote:
: >
: > Do any of you know how to set up the Unix prompt (analogous to the DOS set
: > prompt $p$g) so that whenever a user change directories, the new directory
: > path shows up along with the prompt?  It has been a nuisance having to type
: > 'pwd' all the time.
: >
: 

If you're running bourne shell, include this in your .profile file ...

-------------------------------- cut here -----------------------------------
cd()
{
  chdir $1
  PS1="
`pwd`
$ "
}
cd
-------------------------------- cut here -----------------------------------

Now, whenever you issue a cd, you wind up with, for example...
 
/usr/lib/X11/app-defaults
$

This has the advantage of displaying your working directory without
consuming half of the current command line if you're in deep.

-- 
Philip R. Young                   | Definitely my own opinions, but they are 
Data General Australia Pty. Ltd.  | public domain, so feel free to adopt them.
 
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
From: terry@cs.weber.edu (A Wizard of Earth C)
Subject: Re: tty security
Organization: Weber State University  (Ogden, UT)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 01:56:08 GMT

In article <Bvo734.9M@NCoast.ORG> btb@NCoast.ORG (Brad Banko) writes:
>
>	I was wondering, is it possible to hide your actions on a unix
>system by encrypting the tty file or some other method? It would be useful
>in dealing with nosy admins and the such. Any suggestions?

I think you mean encrypting the data stream that goes *through* the tty
instead of the tty itself, since encrypting the tty itself could probably
be painful.

The answer is "sure!".

The shell will have a hell of a time understanding you, however, unless you
decrypt it on the UNIX side.  Ask your system administrator for help.  He
will know how to decrypt on the UNIX side.

Next question:

"h0w d0 i 3ncrpyt mi s3ssi0n s0 UNIX can r3ad it but th3 guy with r00t
 can't 3v3n tho i kn0w h3 can r3ad my tty qu3u3 0ut 0f /d3v/km3m?  I am 2
 c00l 2 b3 a crack3r... i just want it 4 s3curity... y3ah, y3ah, that's
 th3 tick3t..."

8-).


					Terry Lambert
					terry@icarus.weber.edu
					terry_lambert@novell.com
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From: jacksonk@rolls.cs.rpi.edu (Keith Jackson)
Subject: Re: getcwd(3) and realpath(3) substitutes in GNU++ ?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:42:15 GMT

In article <!clzfgj@rpi.edu> jacksonk@polaris.cs.rpi.edu (Keith Jackson) writes:
>I've been trying to get a program to do the following :

>    o   find the current working directory from which program was
>	invoked (not the directory in which the binary resides
>	from argv[0])

>    o   find the canonical pathname of a filename given as an argument
>	(of course, if the CWD can be found, using stat(2) and CWD,
>	this info can be derived)

>Unfortunately the library functions getcwd(3v), getwd(3), and
>realpath(3) aren't in the gnu++ libraries on our system.  Using
>another compiler is not an option, nor is invoking pwd(1), etc.,
>from within the code acceptable due to time constraints.  Anyone
>know of a good general solution?  (i.e., ANSI C++ likely to be
>supported under GNU++.)

>E-mail suggestions please.  I'll post a summary.

Well, I got some responses and tried them.  Here's a summary :


I was helped by the following people:

    "J. David Peet" <peet@oolong.la.locus.com>

    "A Wizard of Earth C" <terry@icarus.weber.edu>

They basically had the same idea, to use stat(2) to get the inode of ".",
chdir(2) to ".." and run opendir(3v) and readdir(3v) to scan the directory
for an identical inode number, record the name, and continue up the tree to
the root (or is that down? ;^) )  J. David Peet gave a caveat about mount
points, though.

Well, this method works as long as you stay on the same filesystem, but if
one of the directories on your path is a mount point, then you're moving to
a different device and the inodes are completely different.  Basically, the
way to get around this is to stat(".") and stat(".."), then compare the
st_dev fields.  If different, when you scan the directory above, ignore the
d_fileno field in the struct dirent structure and just use the name entry
as an argument to stat(2), checking the inode and device number against
that of the last time you ran stat(".") to match the directory to the name.

So far it's worked.  I've tried traversing various mounted filesytems and
symbolic links (since it's stat, it completely ignores symbolic links.)

If anyone's interested, I'll mail you the test program I wrote which
uses this method to get the current working directory (along with copious
debugging info.)
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards,comp.os.linux
From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Subject: Re: Linux activists unite all you have to lose is your DOS
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:19:53 GMT

In article <jim.717832265@ferkel> jim@ferkel.ucsb.edu (Jim Lick) writes:
>In <1992Sep29.193435.12556@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>>So why not bombard BYTE with letters asking them to cover free software?
>
>>Any one know what there address for comments is? (Why do I suspect they
>>don't know what e-mail is?)
>
>letters@bytepb.byte.com

Well I guess all isn't lost quite yet :-)

Is there an official Linux BBS list? This would be a good thing to send
them.

(I wonder what OS bytepb runs...)
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards,comp.lang.c,comp.unix.aix
From: gbnewby@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Gregory B. Newby)
Subject: 'make' woes (won't catch secondary dependancy)
Followup-To: comp.lang.c
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:32:47 GMT

Greetings, wise ones.  I'm surprised that 'make' doesn't catch
this problem, and would be very excited to hear of a good 
solution or workaround.

I have a header file that #include's another header file.  I
would like for my 'make' to catch whether either of them are 
modified.  Here is a very simple example of what goes wrong
(of course, what I'm doing is a bit more complicated....hence,
just putting "test.o: h1.h h2.h" will work in this example,
but will not give me the freedom & capability I need to be
happy):

1% cat makefile
.c.o:
        cc -c $*.c -I.

test.o: h1.h

h1.h: h2.h

2% make
        cc -c test.c -I.

3% touch h1.h

4% make
        cc -c test.c -I.

5% touch h2.h

6% make
`test.o' is up to date.

Get it?  Any workaround or syntax that I missed would be appreciated!
I replicated this problem under AIX on a PS/2, SunOS 4.0, and Irix.
GNUMake doesn't have the problem, but it also didn't catch whether the
files were up to date or not (that it, it compiled anyway!  No
matter what!  Perhaps someone here installed GNUMake wrongly...). 
Thanks!!!
  -- Greg Newby
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From: hughesk@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Kirby W. Hughes)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux activists unite all you have to lose is your DOS
Date: 30 Sep 92 02:32:33 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

Could you please stop changing the subject line? (posts about BYTE and
tex/word)
Some of us use a kill file to ignore that crap.

Thanks,
Kirby Hughes
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
From: james@unidata.com (James Powell)
Subject: inetd.conf - how to use %A _and_ an argument list
Organization: Unidata, Inc.
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:53:54 GMT


Hello, Oh Lofy Keepers of the Silicon Flame... I praise thee and beg of thee
an answer to my little question here:

I have a server which is launched by inetd. My inetd.conf entry looks like:

UDT_server_test	stream	tcp	nowait	root	\
/home/users/james/ofs/UDT_server/UDT_starter %A -d200 -sNFA.SERVER

(line split for the reader's comfort).

The inetd.conf manual entry on my SunOS 4.1.2 machine tells me that I must
provide argv[0] in the argument list, and that if I want the %A argument, it
must come first. If I put it second (where it would be argv[1]), all of my
arguments are passed just fine _except_ the %A comes through literally. If
I put it first, argv[0] is correctly filled with the server program's name,
and argv[1] is correctly filled with the peer's address, but that's _it_. The
rest of my arguments are lost.

My question should be plain: how can I use both %A _and_ other arguments in
my /etc/inetd.conf entry? Thanks!
  -James-
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
From: brc@halcyon.com (Brian Cartmell)
Subject: SCO and remove?
Organization: Encryption
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:18:50 GMT

   Ive got a friend who did a rm on his unix box which runs SCO UNIX,
and was wonderding if anyone knows of any software that could help
recover his files.

Brian

 
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
From: tmike@cmptrc.lonestar.org (T. Mike Howeth)
Subject: Re: Locking out users
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 18:26:11 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <32717@adm.brl.mil> isakoh@zpcp53.att.com writes:
|               ... Note that root MUST be excluded from this or you'll be in
|BIG trouble.

If by 'root' you mean superuser, then check the NUMERICAL ID, not the text 
login name.

Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
From: brc@halcyon.com (Brian Cartmell)
Subject: Quota Warning Messages
Organization: Encryption
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:32:34 GMT


  I was wondering if anyone can help me, Ive setup quotas but when you
got over them no warning message is displayed until you hit your hard
quota.   Anyone got any ideas, Ive looked for some daemon but have found
none.

Brian

PS: please reply via mail

Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
From: cecchinr@fox.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini)
Subject: Question: How to send output to another AUDIO device?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:33:52 GMT

Hello all,

  Quick question:

  I rlogin into another machine and set the DISPLAY variable to my
machine.  I run an X application that has some audio output.  The
audio is being sent to the audio device on the host machine and not
*my* machine.  This makes sense, since the audio is being played via the
"play" demo program found in /usr/demo/SOUND (this program explicitly
opens the audio device on the host machine).

  In an application I am building, however, I want to have the ability
to look at the DISPLAY environment variable and send the audio output
to the audio device on the machine indicated by the variable (not the
host machine).  

  Am I going to have to go down to the socket level and implement this
myself or what?  I gave the AUDIO man page a quick look, and it doesn't
mention anything about environment variables, etc.

Thanx,
Ron

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From: heller@.cs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards,comp.os.linux,comp.os.os9,comp.sys.m68k
Subject: Looking for *source* code for a DVI to 24pin printer driver
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:33:13 GMT
Reply-To: heller@.cs.umass.edu ()
Followup-To: comp.unix.wizards
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

I am looking for a TeX/LaTeX printer driver for a BJ-300/330 printer. 
This is Canon's "BubbleJet" ink-jet printer and it emulates an LQ-850
type 24pin printer.  I know of a MS-DOS dvi24pin program, but I don't
run MS-DOS (all that was in the archive was a MS-DOS .exe file) - my
system is a 68030-based system running OS-9/68000.  C source code for a
generic UNIX system should compile under OS-9/68K - OS-9 is very much
like UNIX.



Please reply directly via E-Mail - I don't read news.


Robert Heller
InterNet: heller@cs.umass.edu
FidoNet:  1:321/153
CIS:	  71450,3432
BIX:	  locks.hill.bbs
From: thayer@cs.columbia.edu (Charles Thayer)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
Subject: Re: Remote hostname
Date: 3 Oct 92 15:22:56 GMT
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science

>I have the following code that gets the remote hostname from the finger 
tcp_wrapper, getpeername(2).

>Does anyone have the source code to finger?
telnet quiche.cs.mcgill.ca. and login as archie.

just rewrite fingerd or ftpd.

/charles
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From: doug@tisdec.tis.tandy.com
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:23 CDT
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
Subject: Re: Orphaned Response
Message-ID: <51600004@tisdec.tis.tandy.com>
Nf-ID: #R:cc.curtin.edu.au:1:tisdec.tis.tandy.com:51600004:000:901
Nf-From: tisdec.tis.tandy.com!doug    Sep 30 17:23:00 1992


> /* ---------- "Origins of Unix" ---------- */
>
> G'day all
>
> I'm trying to find out what UNIX stands for, and if in fact it stands
> for anything or if it is just a name, where it originated from.
>
> If anyone has ANY info on this could they please mail me back as soon as
> possible as i need to know rather urgently.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Cya..

Story goes that the name was coined by Brian Kernighan.  Ken Thompson
and Dennis Ritchie had both worked on the MULTICS project and wanted
to produce something similar for themselves after the project was
cancelled.  So they developed a small operating system that contained
some of the better features of MULTICS.  It had no name until one fine
day they were showing it off to Kernighan so then told them that what
they basicly had was a UNICS, as castrated MULTICS.  The name stuck.

     Doug Scott                             doug@tisgate.tandy.com
From: navarra@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (John Navarra)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
Subject: Re: Choosing an unused pty
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:40:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Oct1.144022.13917
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <17984.Oct103.54.5692@virtualnews.nyu.edu> brnstnd@nyu.edu (D. J. Bernstein) writes:
>Try pty 4.0, comp.sources.unix volume 25. There's a $100 reward for
>anyone who can break pty security. It's been 7 months and nobody's
>claimed the reward.
>
	That's because $100.00 bucks is not much of a reward! ;-)

-tms


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Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards,comp.os.linux
From: radel@bach.udel.edu (Todd Radel)
Subject: Re: Linux activists unite all you have to lose is you
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:06:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.193435.12556@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>So why not bombard BYTE with letters asking them to cover free software?

How about sending something to _Communications_Of_The_ACM_, or some
other magazine more devoted to hobbyist/academic readers? 


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From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards,comp.os.linux
Subject: Linux activists unite all you have to lose is your DOS
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:34:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: murdoch.1992Sep29.193435.12556
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.

So why not bombard BYTE with letters asking them to cover free software?

Any one know what there address for comments is? (Why do I suspect they
don't know what e-mail is?)

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From: pnarayan@cs.tamu.edu (P S Narayan)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
Subject: COntroller question
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:36:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University

I need some information on Emulex MD21 controller. Anybody having info please
let me know at pnarayan@neuron.tamu.edu

Thanks
From: wp@orion.erls01.siemens.de (Wolfgang Prediger)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
Subject: unsubscribe
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:31:28 GMT

Please, remove my name (address) from your digest-list

wolfgang

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