HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mgd@world.std.com (Matthew G Davidson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: MIDI sale
Summary: MIDI sale
Keywords: MIDI, music
Date: 12 Nov 92 04:05:39 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

Studio Gear

Macintosh Interfaces
Opcode Pro Plus midi interface 1/3 $55
Opcode Studio Plus Two midi interface 2/6 $115
Opcode Timecode Machine smpte interface $110

Alesis HR16 drum machine $210
Yamaha KM602 six channel line mixer, $100
Studio rack - heavy grade steel, casters; not a road case, over 24 spaces BIG
$150

mgd@world.std.com or call 508.481.3771 after noon.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,news.groups
From: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes)
Subject: Re: To keep the r.m.s rename is _not_ elitist (was Re: *BAD*...)
Reply-To: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Lab - Pasadena, CA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 12:17:30 GMT

chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>An elitist attitude would be, "Those r.m.s readers are not capable of
>making a good decision, so we'll do it for them."

Sounds like what is happening to me.

>In contrast, Lazlo (with whom I agree) says, "Those r.m.s readers are
>capable of making a good decision, but apparently they didn't care
>enough to speak up; so it's their loss that they don't like the result
>of the discussion they ignored."

That is another elitist attitude. They are speaking up now (or is 113 articles
in two days enough for you?). 
-- 
Dave Hayes - Network & Communications Engineering - JPL / NASA - Pasadena CA
dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov       dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov         ...usc!elroy!dxh

Supporter (n.) - 1. Someone who will say anything.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth
From: franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin)
Subject: HELP IN PURCHASING SYNTHESIZER
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:26:47 GMT

I'm looking at purchasing a synthesizer for home useage. I play a large
amount of keyboard, and have brought up on a good piano since birth. However,
pianos lack any amount of portability, so I am looking to make a purchase
along a different line.
   I think that a digital piano is out of the question, because once again
it just doesn't have the portability, and often is out of my price range.
A reasonable keyboard for my needs would be a KORG M-1 I would guess, with
it's 8 track capabilities. Because of this, I have a few questions:

are there comparable keyboards on the market?

Is this a bad purchase to make?

How much would you expect someone to ask for a machine as such? I believe
they're 2 years old aren't theY? What's a good price? cdn? American dollars?

Am I going to saturate this keyboard too quickly? I"m a high level keyboard
player, and will be using it for performance in areas where a piano is
not available. Is it a good machine of choice for hooking up to a Macintosh?

steve
-- 
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From: AS.TLK@forsythe.stanford.edu (Timmer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: What are good multitibral sound modules for under 00
Date: 12 Nov 1992 08:13:46 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

lotter@cc.und.ac.za (Eddie Lotter) writes:
>roypn@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Pierre-Nicholas) writes:
>
>>I would recommend the Doctor Synth from Boss. I paid $ 440CAN for mine.
>>It is basically a Sound Canvas without the MT32 sounds. It has reverb and
>
>If it's from Boss, how can it be "a Sound Canvas"?  Do you mean that
>it's patch map (and the extras found on some patches) is the same as
>the Roland Sound Canvas?


Boss is a division of Roland these days.  Sounds like Roland is
getting into Detroit-style marketing (Chevy/Pontiac/Buick, Chrysler/
Plymouth/Dodge, etc.).


-Tim Kaufman
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra)
Subject: Re: Copyright on patches
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:44:01 GMT

ljnelson@unix.amherst.edu (Laird Nelson) writes:

>If anyone's interested, I can get an answer from my father...don't know if
>he'd cover synth patches, but he specializes in copyrights and intellectual
>property especially where computer software is concerned....  If there's any
>interest, I'll post.

Yes, as the original poster I'm very interested :).

--
Hendrik Jan Veenstra    hjv@phil.ruu.nl  *  How can I save my dreams
Dept. of Philosophy                      *  in the nightmare, in the flood
University of Utrecht                    *  But I try.
The Netherlands                          *
From: hcpark@owlnet.rice.edu (Howard C Park)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Workstation, 4-Track, TX81Z for sale
Keywords: Roland, W30, Yamaha, Tascam, Portaone, TX81Z, FM, Sampler, Sale
Date: 5 Nov 92 07:13:20 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rice University


For Sale:


1.  Roland W30 Workstation

16 track sequencer, S-550 compatible sampler, 61-key aftertouch, mod wheel, velocity, 80 disks w/ sounds, large display, 3.5" disk drive.

$1400


2.  Tascam Porta-One

4 channel mixer, punch-in pedal, power cord, cassette door won't close all the way, equlizers for each channel, anti-dust cover.

$250


3.  Yamaha TX81Z

Rack-mount FM synthesizer, 8 voices, 8 part multi-timbrel, 4-Op synthesis, great addition for existing keyboard (as long as it isn't a DX7) or sequencer.

$225


I've tried the minimalist approach in describing these things, but I'll be happy to entertain questions/comments on any of the above.  Also, is anyone out there interested in or know something about the Roland MV-30 Music Production System?  Just curios.

Howard.
hcpark@rice.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: hauser@netcom.com (Michael Hauser)
Subject: Emax II Prog manual and cable for sale
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:53:56 GMT

Emax II MIDI/RS422 Programmers Manual -  complete MIDI specs for Emax II
sampler including system exclusive messages.

RS422 cable - connects Emax II directly to the Mac for transferring samples at
rates much higher than the 31.25KB MIDI rate. This cable is homebrew but very
high quality and it works great.

$30 for both.

Michael Hauser
hauser@netcom.com
(415) 695-1910

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,news.groups
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: To keep the r.m.s rename is _not_ elitist (was Re: *BAD*...)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:05:03 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov:
>chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>>An elitist attitude would be, "Those r.m.s readers are not capable of
>>making a good decision, so we'll do it for them."
>
>Sounds like what is happening to me.

What color is the sky in your world?  They _had_ their chance to vote.
By choosing ignorance, they acted.  By choosing inaction, they acted.

>>In contrast, Lazlo (with whom I agree) says, "Those r.m.s readers are
>>capable of making a good decision, but apparently they didn't care
>>enough to speak up; so it's their loss that they don't like the result
>>of the discussion they ignored."
>
>That is another elitist attitude. They are speaking up now (or is 113
>articles in two days enough for you?). 

You and two others (one from Microsoft, I forget the other) are the
only people who have posted in favor of a revote.  You're loud, Dave
(which is not intented as criticism; I'm loud too), but you're only
one person, and the number of articles you've pumped out is irrelevant.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "I am truly as big a genius as all other Rush fans." -- Bruce Bufalini
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.music
From: joe@erix.ericsson.se (Joe Armstrong)
Subject: Encore demo???
Nntp-Posting-User: joe
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Distribution: inet
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:47:57 GMT

	Is their an FTPable Ecore PC demo program?

	What are your empressions of encore?

	Thanks

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers.synth
From: dgj2y@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (David Glen Jacobowitz)
Subject: Re: Serial-to-MIDI Interface
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 07:45:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.201925.5308@dunned.socal.com> cwilliam@dunned.socal.com (Chris Williams) writes:
>Since my previous posting, in which I was looking for a laptop/portable
>that supported ISA MIDI cards, I have found out about a serial-to-MIDI
>converter that is commonly used with laptops. (I think it's called the
>MIDIgator.) One problem with this is that it is not MPU 101 compatible.
>The guy at the music store says that Cakewalk and some other sequencers
>support it. This probably means I'll have to dump my old Voyetra sequencer.
>The cost of a new sequencer is probably a small price to pay - compared to
>a notebook "docking station", which can run up to $1000. If this serial-to-
>MIDI devices works, it will certainly open up the field of possible notebooks.
>
>Does anyone out there have any experience with these devices? Who makes it?
>What sequencers support it?
>

	Howdy. I know of this device. It's called a Midiator and is
made by Key electronics. There are drivers out for it for several
sequencers now, and although it is not MPU401 compatible it is
somewhat supported. MPU is becoming a lot less importantthese days.
The main drawback for this device, at least for me is that it cannot
x-mit receive SysEx. That's what a salesman once told me. So much for
sending a song to your Synths's sequencer and letting it play. So much
for Ed/Libs. It's not too cool.
	On the upside, they do have a multiport model that has four
outputs, I think, that are all _really_ independant.

					david g jacobowitz
					dgj2y@virginia.edu

					UVa School of Engineering


From: smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Jim Smith)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 17:57:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Roland's first MIDI synth
Organization: no risk to you!
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth

In rec.music.synth, keitha@spider.co.uk (Keith Aitken) writes:

    What was Roland's first MIDI equipped synth?

    Was it

            a) Juno 106,

            b) JX-3P,

            or

            c) Jupiter 6  ?

    I've a feeling it was the Juno 106, but if anyone knows any better,
    then let me know.

The JX-3P was out at least a year before the Juno 106, but I think that the
Juno-60 DCB-MIDI converter box may have been out before the JX.

                  - Jim Smith  smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com
		  And Now For Something Completely Different.

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:23:42 GMT

In article <Bx9ECw.2u4@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> smithj@sr.hp.com (Jim Smith)  
writes:
> Ken Shirriff (shirriff@sprite.berkeley.edu) wrote:
> : In article <1992Nov5.030317.10383@jato.jpl.nasa.gov>  
dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov writes:
> : >>So where were these hordes of r.m.synth posters who oppose the  
change?
> : >Apparently most of them were not aware of the vote until it was too  
late.
> : 
> : Well, I for one am a r.m.synth poster who was not aware of the vote  
until I
> : saw the current discussion.  I went back and checked and there were  
indeed
> : calls for votes in rec.music.synth with the subject: "3rd CFV and VOTE  
ACK:
> : rec.music.makers.* groups".  Since I don't read rec.music.makers or  
care what
> : happens there, I skipped over that posting and didn't learn about the  
vote.
> : Perhaps the CFV subject line should make it clear to whom the CFV is  
relevant?
> : 
> : Ken Shirriff					 
shirriff@sprite.Berkeley.EDU
> 
> I think that Ken is making a very significant point here.  I saw all the
> postings in question, but then, I read everything on r.m.s.  
> The mention of rec.music.synth was buried after all the legalese  
gobbledygook
> and three other irrelevant proposals in the posts.  No wonder it was  
missed
> by many.  Try naming it "CFD: RENAMING rec.music.synth" and see what  
happens!
> 

I don't know what happened to my post, but this one echoes my sentiments  
pretty closely - except I *didn't* read the CFV message. I didn't think it  
pertained to this group, as the group wasn't mentioned in the subject.  
Cross-posting and re-posting happens all the time, and when you scan  
hundreds of subject lines a day it's easy to miss one that is at best  
remotely related to the group you're reading.


> Ahh, too late...
> 
> Why does this remind me of a corporate raid?

Does feel like that doesn't it?

Gordon

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: RapMaster --> MIDI ?? (I'm serious)
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:58:52 GMT

I expect to get a Casio Rapmaster (RapMan? whatever) for xmas and was
wondering if anyone could point me to information on MIDIfying the gizmo.
 
I figure if the SK-1 can be MIDIed, maybe the same is true
for the Rapmaster.
 
Please post any info, as others may be interested.
 
Thanks much!
 
--Eric
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers,comp.music
From: Eirikur Hallgrimsson <eh@ranger.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Re: Oberheim Matrix 1000 module questions
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A725A7D6B704C0D8@rahab.ljo.dec.com>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 10 Nov 92 17:54:30 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:52:30 GMT

Re: Oberheim Matrix 1000 module questions

In addition to the (good, I use it) support in Galaxy, there is
support in X-or, (good, I have seen/used it).

It's true that Oberheim is pining for the fjords,
but these units are VERY common (for a synth)
and have mostly standard components in them.
I consider it a low-risk investment.

Eirikur
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: steven@abekrd.co.uk (Steven Glenister)
Subject: Re: YAPR - SY22 Patches
Organization: Abekas Video Systems, Reading, UK.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:45:32 GMT

In <65LXTB2w164w@cellar.org> emrys@cellar.org (mitch gorman) writes:


>	Yes, it's yet another patch request!

>	I am looking for new patches for my SY22.  Unfortunately, I do not
>have ftp access, so I'm looking either for someone to mail me patches that
>they have/use, or for a mail server archive site.

>	TIA!

>		Mitch
>		emrys@cellar.ORG
>		cellar!emrys@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com

>------
>emrys@cellar.org (mitch gorman)
>The Cellar BBS - (215) 654-9184

I would like some patches for my SY22 but I don't have the software to
download from my ST to the synth. Can anyone help ? I can get patches
from ftp sites, if I know the addresses, if somone could sent me some
download software.

Thanks ?  Steve.

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From: Jawara@Applelink.Apple.COM (Ron Drake)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Any Word On Billy Preston?
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:48:59 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.synth
Organization: Me, The Whole Me and Nothing But

I'd appreciate any news on what happened to Billy Preston. He was due to
be sentenced in L.A. on Oct. 16th. Did he get time? Probation? Community
service? Where is one of the world's greatest synth players?

Thanks.

Ron Drake
From: aaron@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Copyright on patches
Date: 10 Nov 92 10:13:45 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Certainly in the UK it was only recently that electronic data of the sort
being discussed could actually be copyrighted and I believe that the legal
position in the US was in flux for a goodly while. 

Here the problem was that there were two main categories of copyrighting. 

The first is inventions that may be patented (a form of copyright). These
are, in a sense, ideas that may be physically implemented rather than purely
speculative or simply ideas. I.e. a mathematical technique cannot be patented
but a new and revolutionaty form of toothbrush may.

The more emphemeral realm of ideas limited those things that could be 
copyrighted, presumably so as not to impede the progress of science as
that mathematical technique could also not be copyrighted. But the list
was of those things that *could* be patented and no one had heard of computers
at the time, and so software when resident in the computer was exempt.
The computer company could, of course, copyright a listing of the software
program such that printing it out from the electronic data would then
constitute an offence.

They are still having difficulty coming up with a good definition but
in the US the ground-breaking case was the 'look and feel' case which 
would suggest that copying someone's *distinctive* patch and attempting to
*sell* it commerically would be illegal. (That piano patch is ok)

		Aaron Turner		aaron@minster.york.ac.uk
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: alexander publishing
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:04:14 GMT
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <517@asylum.UUCP>, dnibby@asylum.UUCP (Dana Nibby) writes:
|> 
|> 
|>  Where can I buy Alexander Publishing books? (need one for an ESQ-1).
|> Also, is there any FTP site that has ESQ-1 patches? I've looking at a few
|> sites that had ESQ directories which were all empty. Someone told me to get
|> patches on a pay system, but I'd rather just buy a cartidge if I'm going to
|> have to pay for conect time. Are there any books that have patterns for
|> the ESQ-1? I thought that'd be a neat idea, instead of spending mucho $$$
|> on back issues of the Transoniq Hacker, looking for patches.

The MIX bookshelf has books from Alexander and others, patches, samples,
etc.. Their number is 1-800-233-9604.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,news.groups
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Followup-To: rec.music.synth,news.groups
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:49:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.160627.26923@daimi.aau.dk> rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
>>I just want to hear it once. I know you can do it. Just say "The subject  
>>line could have been worded in a more obvious way". I know you think it  
>>doesn't matter since the people that didn't read the message are obviously  
>>"ignorant" and "lazy". But can't you simplay say that it was poorly done?
>Come back when you have found a subject line that clearly indicates,
>for ALL involved groups, that they are involved.

"rec.music.* reorganization and renaming".

(or "alt.music.*/rec.music.* reorganization and renaming", if you want to
count the alt groups).
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,news.groups
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: To keep the r.m.s rename is _not_ elitist (was Re: *BAD*...)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:54:46 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen):
>According to chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg):
>>According to gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen):
>>>According to Lazlo Nibble:
>>>>If it happened because nobody in the group was paying attention -- as
>>>>seems to be the case here -- I'd shut up and accept the result.   
>>>What a completely elitist attitude.
>>No.
>It's elitist because the only class of people that understood the  
>implications of the articles are those who are intimately familiar with  
>net guidelines, and a subject line that was descriptive would have  
>prevented that.

False on both points.

Point zero: Using the phrase "class of people that understood" implies
that this class is exclusive and limited.  Not so.  It actually refers
to the class of people that _choose_to_know_ how the net runs, and who
show an interest in same by reading news.announce.newgroups.  In other
words, it is like the "class of people who vote for president".

Point one: It doesn't take being "intimately familiar with net
guidelines" to participate in a vote.  All it takes is reading
news.announce.newgroups and, if a vote catches the attention, following
the directions found in the call for votes.  It's not brain surgery.

Point two: A descriptive subject line would not have prevented this
after-the-fact carping.  Which is not to say that I oppose descriptive
subject lines!  They are valuable.  But realize also that they are not
magic.  They cannot give personal initiative to the terminally
short-sighted and apathetic.  People who simply _do_not_care_ how
Usenet is run will not take action until they see an immediate threat
to their personal convenience -- i.e. when the vote has passed -- and
that's too late.

>It's not that people didn't care to vote - it's that they didn't know  
>there was a proposition before them. 

All they had to do was read news.announce.newgroups.  They didn't.  By
all objective evidence, they did _not_ care ... enough.

There is no cure for _intentional_ ignorance.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "I am truly as big a genius as all other Rush fans." -- Bruce Bufalini
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: srfergu@rufus.erenj.com (Scott Ferguson)
Subject: Re: *BAD* FOLKS SHUT UP FOR ONCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: Exxon Research & Engineering Co.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:15:42 GMT

     PLEASE!  PLEASE!  I think we need a CFV on creating a new group
     for this stoooooopid thread. Stop pissing and moaning, or at least
     take it somewhere else. I'm having a lot of trouble finding
     the many useful posts in here!!!

     Does the term, "Signal-to-Noise Ratio" mean ANYTHING to you people?

-- 
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Scott Ferguson                        Exxon Research & Engineering Co.
Project Engineer                      New Jersey
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"Always bark at a dog."
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