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From: maffeis@ifi.unizh.ch (Silvano Maffeis)
Subject: Re: elm 2.4 and xterm
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 06:19:02 GMT

In article <CKD.92Oct5210542@loiosh.eff.org> ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) writes:
>The solution is to use:
>
>XTerm*titeInhibit: on
>
>which causes the ti and te codes to have no effect (not switch you to an
>alternate screen buffer, etc).  I prefer this behavior, as it solves
>similar "problems" with less, emacs, and other termcap-aware programs.

I also tried this. Ok it works, but what about other programs I start
in the same xterm which rely on ti and te? I don't think it's the right
way to brutally switch off this nite functionality...

silvano

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: 2.4 so far
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc., Huntingdon Valley, PA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 03:23:36 GMT

Summary of what I've seen so far for 2.4:

Ok, here is what I have seen from this news group and my mail
box so far...

AIX 3.2 seems to have the usual teething pains on Configuration.
Albiet they are getting more minor with each release.

Next 3.0 seems to be confused, we need some expert help here.

HP-UX seems to be showing a few flaws, and we seem to be taking
their 'differences' to the hilt and making mountains out of them.
So far, resize is the biggie there.

SVR2 may be missing a definition for size_t causing ndbz not to
compile, SVR2 people many need to add -Dsize_t=int to the ccflags
in Configure.

There is a bug in alias display where the number of aliases is less
than the number of messages, its fix will be in patch 1.

I knew TI/TE was not right, but so far haven't received any better
solutions, all I can say, is my Sun display is much happier, so now
that I have effected every one else, perhaps some one will fix it.

But, no one has hit me with any 'drop dead problems'  So, we seem
to be in better shape than the 2.3 roll out.

With what little I have, I am not planning to roll out a patch 1
right away, I plan to give it a week or so and see how things go.

PS: UUNET now has the 2.4 source in their mirror directory.
its in /networking/mail/elm
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,comp.mail.headers,comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.uucp
From: mjma@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (michael.j.matthews)
Subject: PMXTERM Encoding Algorithm
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:36:41 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: pmxterm encode

HELP,

Does anyone know the encoding algorithm xbtoa used by PMXTERM
the UNIX mailer product by ATT EasyLink. If it is proprietary
I am out of luck and this product should be ostrasized form the
Open Systems community.

Is it kermit perhaps? It's not uuencode.

I need to interface with this product.

Thanks in advance,


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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: no messages
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:29:27 GMT

hamjavar@carina.unm.edu (Farid Hamjavar) writes:
>Is there a way you can cut yourself off from outside world as far as
>messages concern in ELM?  Something like   ":set nomesg"  in VI.
!mesg n

:-)

(the shell command mesg works just fine for it)
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Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 2.4 Release: Oct 1,1992
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From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: mh folder -> elm folder
Date: 26 Sep 92 16:34:20 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <1992Sep26.153931.902@zip.eecs.umich.edu> ayman@eecs.umich.edu (Ayman I. Kayssi) writes:
> How do I translate my mh folders (directories with 1 message per file) to elm folders?

how about cat?
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: lingy@jonah.its.rpi.edu (Dan)
Subject: mime?
Summary: MIME for elm available?
Keywords: mime, multimedia, elm, mail, sound, color, graphics
Reply-To: lingy@rpi.edu
Organization: Somewhere Special
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 13:57:37 GMT

Hi there,
	 Does anyone here know where I could get elm to work with MIME 
and also is it hard to patch elm to be able to do MIME mails? Plus
have anyone done a better encryption for the elm package like
a public key algorithm for it? Thanks

Dan
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: elm 2.4.0 RESIZE BUG
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:58:43 GMT
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA

rkl@csc.liv.ac.uk (Richard Lloyd) writes:
>I knew that when resize support was added to 2.4 (I put it in myself into
>2.3 PL 11), that they'd forget about LINES and COLUMNS :-(

>I compiled 2.4.0 on an HP 9000/720 running HP-UX 8.07 and uncovered the
>following bug:

>* Run a small xterm (e.g. 40 by 20).
>* Start up elm 2.4.0 inside that xterm.
>* Resize the window (e.g. to 80 by 40).
>* Mail a message (which fires up vi in my case).

>When vi starts up, it thinks the terminal width and height are 40 by 20 (the
>small size) and NOT the new 80 by 40 size !!!
Well, it doesn't act that way on my system, and in fact, the LINES and COLUMNS
hurts other things (resize the window while in VI, start another process...)

So, the problem is: If you want support for LINES= and COLUMNS= in 2.4,
someone has to tell me how to decide what OS's to put it in for, and what
ones I don't need it for.  

Possible suggestions:  Do I need it if the system call to return window
size returns 0 sizes?  (I would think so)

But when else?

Until I know when I need it, and so far it seems to be HP-UX,
so I could always put it in with a #ifdef for HP, (someone needs to tell me
what that ifdef is also)

then, I cannot add it.
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Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
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From: yyg8104@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Y. Yang)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Help to get back the alias
Summary: help needed, alias lost
Keywords: alias lost, hit B key
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:56:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvCn2C.8Bn
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


Hi, there. I am rather new to ELM. I put quite some alias names and have been
using them for a few weeks for my mails. Today after I typed "elm" command,
I was promted as before by the question "... need a mialbox... creat it?".
I usually hit "n" key for the question. But today I mistakenly hit the key
of "b" ( or maybe "B" if it's case sensitive ). Then all the alias I put
into the elm are gone, though they still appear when you type "L" for a list
of the alias. But when you send mails, they get bounced back and if you ask
to check if a person exists in the alias, you get NO answer.

Any one can kindly tell me what's wrong with it? And how to recover all the
alias, if there is a way. Thanx a lot in advance for your help.

Y. Yang
UIUC, Illinois,USA
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Elm 2.4 aliases and also problem with ispell
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:38:24 GMT
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA

cherny@ibg.colorado.edu (Stacey Cherny) writes:
>I've just installed Elm 2.4 PL0 and I have a couple of questions about
>it.

>(1) Is there a way to create aliases which are architecture
>independent, since on our systems users share home directories across
>two different architectures, DEC/Ultrix and IBM-RS/6000?
>Alternatively, can Elm be told to look in a different file or
>directory than ~/.elm/aliases* for aliases?  Elm 2.3 aliases were
>architecture independent, so this problem never arose.
The aliases were supposed to be architecture independent.  DBZ was
supposed to be architecture independent.  There was an 'early' comment
during the development that there was a problem, but no one continued
or followed up, so I assumed it was their problem and not a real one.
I cannot check it here, so I am dependent on others to find where the
problem lies in our lib/ndbz.c and submit a patch to me to restore
the architecture independence.

Someone who can reproduce the problem, please help out and look into
it. The goal was for it to be indepentent of architecture.
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Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: hwr@pilhuhn.ka.sub.org (Heiko W.Rupp)
Subject: Re: (?) compiling elm on NeXTs
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:19:39 GMT
Organization: The Home of the Pilhuhn

emurphy@cs.uno.edu (Edward Murphy) writes:

>some functions are being defined twice and it's causing the make of elm  
>2.3.11 to crash. here's a snippet of the make session that has the  
>/bin/ld: multiple definitions of symbol _strpbrk

strpbrk is defined in one source file (grep for it) - comment it out
and everything works fine. 
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From: chris@visionware.co.uk (Chris Davies)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: automatic copy??
Date: 30 Sep 92 07:29:58 GMT
Organization: VisionWare Ltd., Leeds, UK
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

The Meach (meachem@acsu.buffalo.edu) wrote:
: [...]  We run 2.3 PL8, and it automatically saves
: copies of my replies to the folder of the person to whom I am replying,
: just with copy set to ON in my elmrc.  Is it different in other versions?

Well, we're (still) on 2.2pl16 and it works here fine, too.

Chris
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: Pathaliases and UUDOMAIN
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 13:17:08 GMT

boyd@shmop.cs.fsu.edu (Mickey Boyd) writes:
>We are running a fairly vanillia system of Sun3/4's, SunOS 4.1.1, 4.1.2, and
>soon to be 4.1.3.  We use the Berkley sendmail (instead of Sun's).  Other than
>that, we are stock SunOS.  While running Configure, I was confronted with a
>couple of questions to which I had no answer (not even a good guess).  Thus,
>could anyone tell me what response I should give to the following:   

>--

>Give the full path name of the pathalias
>data file? [/usr/lib/nmail.paths] 
>Pathalias data file /usr/lib/nmail.paths doesn't exist.
>Use that name anyway? [y] 

>Where does the uumail-style 'domains'
>file live? [/usr/lib/domains] 
>* (Here it complained that /usr/lib/domains did not exist, and I told it to 
>use that name anyway, as above).
Best answer I can give is  /dev/null

In 2.4 (next weekend will I have work to do to get it out :-) ) the
whole concept of routing is gone, so the questions are also gone from
Configure.

>BTW, the only gripe that has come out of the ELM testing we have done (prior
>to installation) is that the "up" and "down" functions use vi bindings (in
>addition to arrow keys).  Several EMACS folks pointed out that ^p and ^n (up a
>line and down a line in EMACS, repectively) don't seem to be bound to anything,
>and could be provided for those that use this editor.   
Actually, its kind of the other way around.  Both vi and Elm use the 'non control'
variant of the old ASCII cursor motions (pre arrow key days) which were hjkl, for
left, down, up, right.  Thus the use of j and k.  The arrow keys, in 2.3 and 2.4
(and it won't change until 3.0) are only valid, (without local hacks to the code)
for ANSI and HP terminals.  It pre-dates arrow keys.
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From: liu@scs.leeds.ac.uk (L Xing)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: ELM (2.3 pl11) loses my mails?
Date: 1 Oct 92 09:56:16 GMT
Organization: The University of Leeds, School of Computer Studies
Originator: liu@csparc1


Do you have experience to lose messages which you did not read and delete with
ELM as mailing tool?


I have. 


I know I received a lot of messages but I logout with read them this morning.
About ten minutes later I logged in again but I could not find them. They 
were a paper in PS format and they might be huge. Is that the reason to lose
them? It is ELM misaction or my computer system misation? Any one has the same
experience?


 Thanks

Singh 
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: mazzolav@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Schlomo)
Subject: Imake
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:25:08 GMT

	I am having problems with trying to figure out how to set up my
Makefile using configure.  I was wondering are there any versions of elm 
out-there in net land that has a version of elm that uses imake.

-Andrew Mazzola
 mazzolav@craft.camp.clarkson.edu
From: dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Stupid .sig tricks
Date: 3 Oct 92 02:32:19 GMT
Organization: Data Factory Services, Harrisburg, Pa.


 In article <1992Sep28.145218.22863@Princeton.EDU>, spencer@fish.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun) writes:
 > >What about more than one sig file? I have my elmrc pointing
 > >to .signature and use a random select in my .profile to pick one of
 > >the several .sign.nnnnn files and move it to .signature. This gives me
 > >a "random" sig every time I log in.
 > >
 > >Anyone else doing anything interesting with their sig?
 
 > In a long-expired article, I posted a Perl script I wrote.  Not only does
 > it handle the attribution line for me (it indicates the date of the
 > original message and the full name of the sender, WORD-WRAPPED at 75
 > columns, not one humongous line), it also picks from one of my 15-20
 > .sigs EVERY TIME I send mail, so that every time I send mail, I could
 > have a different .sig (i.e. it's not just changed when I login).

I utilize the 'fortune' unix program to provide a local sig for my mail.
I have a cron job that hourly does a simple:

/usr/local/fortune > /usr/acct/sysop/dave/.lsignature

So, every hour the sig gets changed for something different. Since I
have a rather large fortune data file the choices are many and varied.
Since some of the fortunes are fairly large I limit the function to the
.sig attached for LOCAL email only although using fortune -s would
produce one that is generally 2-3 lines long and would be usable for
mail going off site. 

Ahhhhhhhhhhh, the joys of Unix :)


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From: guest@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au) (Baby I'm the one! :-)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: elm vs sendmail
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:38:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: monu1.1992Sep27.183841.13238
Organization: Monash University, Australia.

rchrd@netcom.com (Richard Friedman) writes:

>I am a user of both elm and the usenet reader nn.  Unfortunatly,
>nn uses sendmail to send mail while reading usenet items.  There is
>a variable that can be set to tell nn to use something else.  However,
   ^^^^^^^^
Could you please tell me what that variable is?  thanks

Duc

>it  always assumes that whatever else is being used, it works like
>sendmail... that is, the TO: line in the text  fed to sendmail gives
>the destination.  If I try to substitiute elm for sendmail it wont work
>because elm requires     elm {-s subject} user < text
>Is there an associated elm product that acts like sendmail that I
>can use here.  I want to use elm for sendmail because I have many
>aliases that only elm recognizes (in aliases.text), and it would
>be nice to be using the same mailer in everything I do.
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From: meachem@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Meach)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: automatic copy??
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:12:35 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <Bv7BBw.np@mach1.wlu.ca> sweaver3@mach1.wlu.ca (scott weaver 9209 U) writes:
>In article <GHC7XEJ@math.fu-berlin.de> guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes) writes:
>>jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
>>
>>>I know you can have copies of your outgoing mail automatically saved, 
>>>by setting copy to ON in the elmrc. However, that only seems to work
>>>when you are the one initiating the message.
>>>
>>>How does one get a copy of your reply to a message automatically
>>>saved?
>>
>>A "reply" to someone's mail is a special kind of your mail.
>>Thus it is saved as part of the outbound mail.
>>Have a look at your options menu to see where the mail is stored.
>
>Also, after you have typed in your letter, but before you send it, if you
>type in 'c' (copy), it will normally copy the letter directly into the
>folder named after the login you are sending to.  Then type in 's' (send) to
>send off your letter.  This is probably not as automatic as you would like,
>but it works fine for me.
>--- the Dream Weaver (aka Scott)

I feel as though I'm operating from another planet, but perhaps it is just
a different version of elm.  We run 2.3 PL8, and it automatically saves
copies of my replies to the folder of the person to whom I am replying,
just with copy set to ON in my elmrc.  Is it different in other versions?

Jo Meachem
meachem@acsu.buffalo.edu
From: peter@merlin.acadiau.ca (Peter Steele)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Priority header recognition bug
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:56:51 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

I posted this before but we had news problems so I don't know if
it made it out or not. The problem is best illustrated by the
following header lines:

--> (** This message is tagged Urgent **)
--> 
--> To: peter.steele@acadiau.ca
--> Date:         29 Sep 92 15:03:32 ADT
--> Subject:      test
--> Priority:     normal

This message was sent to me from pegasus mail on a novell network. It
tries to be neat and aligns the date, subject, and priority lines. However,
as you can see, elm interprets the priority line as "urgent" instead of
normal. If this line is changed to

--> Priority: normal

elm reports it correctly. I'd have to qualify this as a bug in elm....
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: cherny@ibg.colorado.edu (Stacey Cherny)
Subject: Elm 2.4 aliases and also problem with ispell
Organization: IBG, University of Colorado, Boulder
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 06:41:10 GMT

I've just installed Elm 2.4 PL0 and I have a couple of questions about
it.

(1) Is there a way to create aliases which are architecture
independent, since on our systems users share home directories across
two different architectures, DEC/Ultrix and IBM-RS/6000?
Alternatively, can Elm be told to look in a different file or
directory than ~/.elm/aliases* for aliases?  Elm 2.3 aliases were
architecture independent, so this problem never arose.

(2) On our DECstations, running Ultrix 4.2, after running ispell,
single letter Elm commands only take effect after hitting return.
This problem does not occur on the RS/6000.  Any ideas?
From: llew@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Lok C. Lew Yan Voon)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: how to use filter prog?
Date: 3 Oct 92 03:04:38 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu


i've checked the man pages but i'm not sure i understand what's
going on. the notation is the worst i've seen.
like when they've:

	rule ::= if (...

i assume the in my file the line actually doesn't include the
"rule ::=" part?

i don't have easy access to the paper manuals.
can someone post or email me an example file for some trivial
and easily understandable rules?

thanks,
lok
From: s897460@rubicon (Alicia Ng)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: how to define pathfile
Keywords: pathfile help
Date: 2 Oct 92 08:19:22 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: rubicon.bf.rmit.oz.au

Sorry I haven't got a manual for elm.  By the way, is there any on-line
manual for elm in the system.  Thanks !

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