From: tonya@csa2.lbl.gov (TONYA PUONCEY)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Question:  What is the definition of "Evil"?
Date: 23 Dec 1992 13:43 PST
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Keywords: christianity vs pagananism, christianity vs satanism, symbolisms
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In article <1992Dec23.061115.24793@sobeco.com>, ladislas@sobeco.com (Ladislas A.) writes...
>I've tried to follow the thread about pentagrams and it made me wonder what
>exactly "evil" is, in the minds of the posters.
> 
>Most agree that christianity is "wrong" either because of the organizations
>that support it or by its philosophy.  Someone said that satanism (LaVey's)
>is better than xtianism because it uncovers the sacred lies (or some such).
>Some agree that "evil" is strictly a xtian concept. 



Well now, isn't this special?

So, you want to know what evil is... ask my girlfriend.  
crack is evil

but really...

The symbology of the pentagram calls to mind the Crowleyan definition of 
evil, that being that it is the one-side of a dualistic interpretation 
of a given situation or spacial-temporal relationship.  Since all 
'points' or given entities of potential (of any state of existence or 
change thereof) ARE in a multi-dimensional universe, the reflexive 
definition of good/evil is only valid in a finite set of introspective 
decisions.  The reality of the nature of being, according to AC, and 
maybe I'm the only one who thinks I see why... (or am I deluding my self 
with pseudointellectual fascism?)... would be that the interplay and 
relationship of factual, documentable circumstances would define the 
outcome of the next [n] gradations on the axis of observations which you 
choose to follow.  Hence, evil and good are irrelevant.  

Whew.

I bet that doesn't help worth a damn.  If it is any help, AC was a 
serious Xian until he fell away and became Master Therion, purportedly 
because his mother's moniker for him was the 'beast'.  So he was 
familiar with the Scriptures up and down, and refers to them constantly. 
 From my limited Anglicized King Jamesized understanding of evil in the 
Scriptural sense, 'any sin is a sin against God.'  since god is not 'in' 
hell, evil is any action directed towards removal from god/ god's wishes 
or commandments laid out in the Torah.  

If ya read _The Jesus Incident_ by Frank Herbert and someone else (I'm 
still reading it), maybe you remember Kerro Panile's answer to Ship's 
question (the spaceship that had them in hybernation units for aeons and 
became all but God) "Do you, like poets from time to time, think your 
self God?"  Kerro responds, (And yes I am paraphrasing) "God is 
everything, and since I am of the universe, hence I am God."

I feel the Zen or Hindu Brahma conceptualization is similar to AC's on a 
certain tangent, i.e., like Panille's bit, all is one, and evil is not 
really defined except through dogma, eg straying from the 8-fold path or 
something.  

So what the *** am I saying?  flip the pentagram upside down and it is 
man upside down, his head pointing towards Hell. or the emblem of the 
OES.  I don't know.  I think satanism is dumb as hell because they're 
rebelling against god but using his symbol!!  Aiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

Help me I'm melting my computer

later

T. Conlon

TONYA@LBL.BITNET
)address for now(

ps     AEROLYNDT ARE YOU OUT THERE!?!?!?!?!

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