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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:07:37 EST
From:         Scott Hammer <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>
Subject:      Mea Culpa (Christmas Songs)

I made two egregious errors in a previous posting:

1) In the subject line, I include the phrase "Christmas Song's" when, in
   fact, I meant "Christmas Songs."  I HATE it when other people do this,
   and so I suppose I should be furious at myself, slap myself across the
   knuckles with a ruler, and send myself to bed without any supper.
   Consider it done.  :)

2) Compounding the previous error, I failed to make any mention of Christmas
   songs in my posting.  Herewith:

     HAMMER'S QUIRKY NON-CANONICAL TOP TEN LIST OF FAVORITE CHRISTMAS SONGS

10) "Fum, Fum, Fum," for pure rowdiness.
 9) "I'll Be Home for Christmas"  for sappiness -- what the hey.
 8) "Hallelujah" from _The Messiah_ for sheer power and a great tenor part.
 7) "The St. Stephen's Day Murders," performed by Elvis Costello and the
     Chieftans on the _Bells of Dublin_ CD for quirky humor.
 6) "The Rebel Jesus," performed by Jackson Browne and the Chieftans, also
    on the _Bells of Dublin_ CD for anti-Christianity.
 5) "Glory to God" from _The Messiah_ for dynamic range and peace on earth.
 4) "The Holly and the Ivy," sung by the Boy's Choir of your choice for
     pure aching beauty.
 3) "Adestes Fideles," arranged for choir, orchestra, and organ, with the
    organ descant in the final verse for sheer power again, and 'cause we've
    got to sneak some latin in somehow.
 2) "Hark the Herald Angels Sing," as sung by any congregation you care to
     visit on Christmas Eve, just 'cuz it sounds so pretty that way.
 1) "Silent Night," arranged for two voices and acoustic guitar, as performed
    Auf Deutsch by me and my sister (command performances arranged upon
    request) -- I know its immodest of me, but I don't care! :)

-Scott "Schlaf in Himmlischer Ruhe" Hammer
 College of William and Mary
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:06:06 EST
From:         RTURNBUL@TOROVM1.VNET.IBM.COM
Subject:      Punk

>Dearest Bob,
>    I never called classical, jazz, folk, etc. "wienie" music Bobby.  I
>simply stated that the stuff you people listen to (for the most part) would
>make me kill myself.  Also I don't just listen to punk/hardcore it just
>happens to be my favorite.  You followed the punk scene for a bit?  What
>punk scene did you follow, the punk scene at the mall with the 10 doller
>tapes and 15 doller cd's.  I hate to inform you but Siouxie ain't punk, at
>least she ain't no more.  Her punkness ended when she signed her name on
>the dotted line and started exploiting, exploiting away.  God it must be

Well, I never claimed Siouxie still was punk. I personally think that the
stuff she's putting out today is equally original and good as anything else
she's done; though it certainly isn't punk. The point was that Siouxie started
with the punk scene and is still around...Not many can claim that (that's fine
if you don't think Siouxie deserves to be around, but I find it interesting
that not a great deal of bands continued on).

Siuoxie and the Banshees were definitely part of the early punk scene though.
Have a listen to their first album _The Scream_ (uh, I think my memory serves)
and songs like "Mirage" and "Into The Void" (no, not the Sabbath song).

Oh, and as for your cutesy remarks and unfounded generalizations...? Nah, they
don't piss me off. Why should I waste my time...They do help people ignore what
you're trying to say though.

Bob Tee
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:53:39 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      PRESIDENTIAL MUSIC

Hey maybe Bush will leave some of his Peter Gabrial cd's behind at the
the Whitehouse and who knows maybe Billy will like it and get off that
Michael Bolton stuff...Whadya think............:-) :-) :-).....L.W.
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Date:         Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:46:48 EST
From:         "Fletch F. Fletch" <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject:      Another reason to hate eMpTyVee

My apologies to David and any others who may have wanted to watch the
Pearl Jam Unplugged show on MTV. I had said it was gonna be on at 10:00
EST Friday night, nope instead I got this kuki Kennedy bitch. Even though
they advertised every 10 minutes all week that all the Unplugged shows were
at 10:00, they decided to put PJ on at 9:00 and REM at 9:30.

Needless to say, I didn't get to record or watch it. Anybody else that
recorded it wanna make me a copy and trade me something for it? I got an
extra Mr Bungle CD or I can make tapes of anything I have. Let me know.

BTW, I did catch the last 3 songs by REM, and even though, generally I don't
care for REM, I did like them in the Unplugged form.

Seeya,
Gary
 "What's up, Normie?"
 "My nipples, it's freezing out there."
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:51:27 EST
From:         "Michael Lehnertz (Drummer)" <TZJ101@URIACC.URI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Rick Danko album
              10 Dec 1992 23:06:07 +22320401 from
              <frenkel@CUCIS.CIS.COLUMBIA.EDU>

   Beats me, but a friend of mine drums for him quite a bit.



                                        - Drummer -
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:59:00 EST
From:         WERT7176@SNYPLAVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: punk rock stuff

Date sent:  14-DEC-1992 15:49:40
>From:  IN%"ALLMUSIC@AUVM.BITNET"  "Discussions on all forms of Music"  8-DEC-19
   92 20:43:24.34
>To:    IN%"BEHR5606@SNYPLAVA.BITNET"  "Behr 5606", IN%"SHEP3686@SNYPLAVA.BITNET
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   ron Williams"
>CC:
>Subj:  RE: punk rock stuff
>
>Unbeleivable, you put down a band like Queensryche and rave about shit like
>the Dead Kennedys.
>
>Ever consider a lobotomy?
>
>Mark A. Badolato
>
>*******************************************************
>'In the immortal words of Socrates who once said "I drank what!!??!?"
>        -- Chris Knight "Real cool guy"

Dear Knight Rider,
    No I've never considered a lobotomy because that would make me as brain
dead as you.  I never put down Queensryche, though now given the chance I
think I will.  I'm not an expert on them but from what I can tell they're
just another shit metal band who aren't doing anything different than any
other shit metal band.  Also I never raved about "shit" like the Dead
Kennedys, because in fact I'm not a fan of the Dead Kennedys.  Have fun in
the mall with your 15 year old girlfriend sporting leather to your plight.

-Ben
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Date:         Sun, 13 Dec 1992 11:04:18 EST
From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Glass and Christmas music (not related!!! Ugh,

>OMC - I love Christmas music - singing it, listening to it...What's your
>favorite holiday carol and why?

  Why, Libby Doe, of course!  For all the obvious reasons.

                                        -Tim
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:30:00 EDT
From:         Another message from Rosemary! <RWARREN@TOPAZ.CONCORDIA.CA>
Subject:      Re: childhood music

>I remember once listening
>to CKGM's top 300 songs of all time. As they counted down I heard songs that I
>really liked (America's "A Horse With No Name", Golden Earring's "Radar Love",
>"Hotel California", etc.), but was really hoping that Deco's disco version of
>the Star Wars theme would be number 1 (how embarassing). When they hit number 1
>the announcer got me all excited as the first syllable was "ST"...I was crushed
>to then learn that it was "Stairway To Heaven".

huh?  perhaps this was a different countdown.  i also listened to ckgm's top
... of all time, and the number one song was -- wait for it -- 'BEAT IT' by
you-know-who.

"The Jackson 5 is history (in the books I mean)
Did a lot of things for me ..."
        Jermaine Jackson, "Rebel With a Cause"

Rosemary Warren         rwarren@topaz.concordia.ca
Montreal's Favorite Jacksonmaniac !!!
(celebrating Jermaine's 38th birthday)
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:42:24 EST
From:         RTURNBUL@TOROVM1.VNET.IBM.COM
Subject:      Northern Pikes

Keith was wondering:

>I don't know if this has been answered already but are the Northern Pikes still
>in existence??  I have their disc and like it a lot but I've heard absolutely
>nothing about concerts or new albums... ever.  Any info would be great. Thanks.
And Libby asked:

>And... Bob Tee... have you picked up Northern Pikes latest, _Neptune_... word
>is that it's not bad, but it sounds more like 15 singles than an album.

Well, _Neptune_ is their fourth and most recent album. Has a real catchy single
in "Twister", but that's all I've heard. I could be tempted to get it anyway
though, since I liked most of their last one _Snow In June_. They are still
with us Keith, saw them live last summer and they do a pretty decent job.

I'm toast in this town...Off to Montreal for 2 weeks. Have a great Holiday
folks. When I return I will post a long due review of Sonia's blues tapes,
Marsha "acing pre-law exams are a snap" F's a cappella tapes and ZZAJ indie
tape. Marsha your tapes are at this moment winging towards Jericho...

Bob Tee
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:01:54 EST
From:         Scott Hammer <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>
Subject:      Merry Christmas

Thanks to shrewd annual-leave-planning, combined with the generosity of
Holy Mother Commonwealth of Virginia, I don't have to come back to work
after today until January 4, 1993.  So I'll wish you all Happy Holidays,
and I'll meet y'all back here (virtually) after New Year's.

At the risk of offending the non-Christians among us (including myself):

"In the beginning, was the Word,
 And the Word was God, and the Word was with God.
 And the Word became flesh, and dwellt among us,
 Full of Grace and Truth."
                        -- John 1:1-2,6

Wishing Peace and Joy to you and yours this Holiday Season.

-Scott "Spiritual" Hammer
 College of William and Mary
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:54:19 MST
From:         Thumper <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      Re: punk rock stuff

Wart claims:

>I really don't think the majority of the people
>on this list know more about punk or hardcore than myself, although if
>there is someone out there please enlighten me with your wisdom.

I'll put $100 on Michael...

- Carol
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 11:48:34 EST
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From:         Mick Jeffries <MICK.JEFFRIES@UKWANG.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      re: childhood music & HI!

Well, this looks like a good place to jump in.  I'm Mick Jeffries, here at the
 splendid University of Kentucky in the middle of rolling horseland and wot-
 not. I'm thrilled to find these music discussion groups altho' they pose
 the serious threat of forever distracting me from my work at hand! :-)
I've found a curious thing to have happened with regards to "childhood music":
That is, a number of the things my parents listened to have come back to me,
years later.  I'm forever impressioned by having heard John Denver, Eagles,
Herb Alpert and the Tiajuana Brass and Neil Diamond in my dad's car.  Let me
say that overall, these are out and out faves these days ('cept for TJB!) but
I do have a soft spot for them. I love, from time to time, to root through my
parents recs to see how my tastes might have shifted or grown.  Unfortunately,
I have to face the fact that they just weren't too hip at all, music-wise, (I
have no idea where my rabid interest comes from): lots of Montovani, 101
STrings, some Perry Como, mostly e-z listening string recs.  I have found the
occasional bossanova rec, tho', and Astrud Gilberto has become my eternal love.
Classical was foreign to me, until around the age of 20.  I started out checkin
' top 40 AM (radio was thrilling, I thought) and on to FM.  Then there was RUSH
. They grabbed me like so many others and launched me into a long, long
introspection and revelation about modern music.  My tastes at that time veered
towards Metal, (when Metal was so uncool that only Judas Priest would dare to
call themselves metal; most bands avoided the term like the plague) Blue Oyster
Cult struck a resonant chord as did more schlocky stuff like Sammy Hagar.
Eventually, I moved on (as I believe most metalheads do) and fell flat into
Pink Floyd, Yes, King Crimson, Genesis and the whole art rock thing.  Floyd
still seems to me one of the greatest of bands (in their vintage years) and
I keep recs. by all of the above, tho' I don't listen too much to them any
more (note: exception is King Crimson, the embodiment of genius IMHO). From
there, it's just been ever expanding in all directions: I found jazz and
reveled in Ellington, Miles, Bird, etc.; Classical draws me to the 20th
Century--Ligeti, Hovhaness, Cage; ---Gamelan Orchestras, Patsy Cline, Sinatra,
Eno, Public Enemy and on and on.  I'm thrilled to have ears.

Currently, I'm quite stuck on:

The Wedding Present -- "seamonsters"
Rain Tree Crow (frmr members of Japan)
Helmet -- "Meantime"
Jackson 5
Antonio Carlos Jobim (anybody know a really great version of "Wave"?)

Sorry to blab so long,  I'll look forward to discussions here!

Mick Jeffries mick.jeffries@ukwang.uky.edu
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Date: Tuesday, 15 Dec 1992 13:57:29 CST
From: <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>
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Subject: Re: punk rock stuff

In article <01GSB7LMARIG9EGREM@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu>,
WERT7176@SNYPLAVA.BITNET says:

>Dear Maniac-at-Large,
>     Hardcore/Punk isn't the only thing I listen to either guy.  What's up
>with Dicky Mo?

(Oh good....Weirdwart here thinks I'm living in the same fantasy dimension
 he is. Not that I would know what the hell a "Dicky Mo" would be in the
 first place-unless he's making some crack about his,or my,or anybody
 else's manhood-but it's rather amusing that solipsism such as this still
 exists on the net. So much for coherence.)

      ** Chris Krolczyk,esq.  * DISCLAIMER: My opinions are in **
      ** Maniac-at-Large      * no way endorsed by the Univer- **
      ** U19807@UICVM.BITNET  * sity of Illinois at Chicago.   **
      ** u19807@uicvm.uic.edu * So much for frivolous lawsuits.**
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:57:16 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: we have come for your children

On Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:35:00 EST <MCINTYRE@MSUPA> said:
>I have a friend who has two sons that he exposed to a lot of Jethro Tull.
>He says they used to march around singing "Aqualung".  Except they didn't
>realize that was the name of the song.  So when the elementary school
>teacher asked, "what's your favorite song?" and the kids answered,
>"Feeling like a dead duck", there was a hastily summoned parent-teacher
>conference.

My two off-springs are crazy about Koko Taylor's Wang Dang Doodle the 5 yr old
wanted to take it to daycare, so everyone could sing along, their also B.B.
King fans they like "Every Day I have The Blues" and Muddy Waters "I'm a
Man". Now that they live with the ex-ninja-spouse they are singing Achy
Breaky and some shit called "Boot Scootin Boogie" I had them on the right
track. While i'm on the subject the other day we were playing a little
party and my kids were there and the 5 yr old played my small headless the
whole time, he stood by the amp closed his eyes and stomped his feet, he got
mor attention than we did, he wanted to be plugged into the amp he got upset
becasue he could not be heard..............L.W.
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:37:36 EST
From:         Steve Kilpatrick <ST402658@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: _Blow Up_

>Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:12:00 EST
>Reply-To:     Discussions on all forms of Music <ALLMUSIC@AUVM.BITNET>
>From:         MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET
>
>_Blow Up_ bears a 1966 release date.  According to the liner notes for
>_The Yardbirds_ compilation, when the band recorded the music for the
>film, both Jeff Beck and Jimmy Page were in the band, which might
>account for the heaviness of the music.  Beck has said he was
>embarrassed to break his guitar, feeling that it was a Pete Townshend
>rip-off, but the director insisted.  I don't remember if Page is
>visible in the movie.  Good excuse to watch it again, I suppose.
>

The track is called "Stroll On", and is a re-worked version of "Train
Kept A-Rollin'. Beck and Page play twin lead guitars (one of the few
recorded tracks with this line-up, as Beck quit soon after), with
former rhythm guitarist Chris Dreja on bass. In the film, though,
Jimmy Page is playing (miming) bass. There are a few tracks from this
period (after bassist Paul Samwell-Smith left, and Page joined as the
bass player [!]) - my favorite is "Psycho Daisies".

>John McIntyre
>Physics - Astronomy Dept
>Michigan State University

Steve Kilpatrick
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:28:00 EDT
From:         Another message from Rosemary! <RWARREN@TOPAZ.CONCORDIA.CA>
Subject:      Re: Vinyl vs Tape vs. CD vs...

>Apart from CD's
>being a complete ripoff in some stores (17.99 for some plastic, aluminum, and
>paper?!?!) does anyone have any comments regarding the actual sound quality
>of digital vs. tape vs. vinyl? I think that the quality of a CD is greatly
>altered by the player (not just a little.)  Other than that, I don't really
>have any comments, besides the fact that some of my DDD CD's sound completely
>empty.  Any comments?

ok michael, i'll bite.

i am a VINYL JUNKIE.  a sizable percentage of the world's oil
supply is sitting in Jackson Square.  why so many records?  i'll tell you why:
THEY SOUND BETTER.  Tapes are either muddy or TOO LOUD.  and i once had an
acquaintance who was terribly proud of her corrupt-disk player (she even bought
_Bad_ on CD to impress me!) but i didn't have the heart to tell her how brassy
the music sounded and how DEAD it was between tracks -- like the machine had
died!  michael sounded so hollow and artificial (saves the flames, please!)
compared to the record sitting at home.  corrupt disks are too perfect --
save them for CD-Rom, where their 600
megs of storage makes sense!  give me static!  give me skips!  skips give
CHARACTER to the music! (yes some of my second-hand records skip -- not badly)

(besides a good portion of the Jackson Five and early Jacksons (epic) stuff
never made it to the corrupt-disk stage -- it was pretty much vinyl only back
then)

one of the major reasons that
corrupt-disks have become so popular is because the "record" manufacturers (why
do we still call them that?  cdn-made vinyl records went to dodo-land) earn a
higher profit on those rainbow doo-hickeys than on chromium dioxide or those
nice black things i blow my paycheques on.  (to me those long boxes are pretty
stoooopid)

yes hardware probably makes a difference:  jackson square is home to a
4-year-old Sanyo mini-stereo with am/fm, turntable, double tape decks, cd
plugs (if i ever give in and buy a cd player) and baby speakers.  i have the
volume on 1.5 out of 10 and it's pretty loud, unless a tape is in and then i
must jack it up to at least 2 to even hear it.  i know when i had my ge
portable record player (ok stop laughing everyone) that the same records were
at a barely acceptable volume when set at the halfway mark.

now if only we can convince the music makers (companies and artists) that
corrupt disks should be the exclusive domain of software companies.

"Well, I'd like to be with you,
 And you know it's Friday too ..."
        Janet Jackson, "Escapade"

Rosemary Warren         rwarren@topaz.concordia.ca
Montreal's Favorite Jacksonmaniac !!!
(who will answer her mail until dec 23)
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You made way too much sense there, Rev. Dave.  You ought to watch
out for that -- there are people who would be put in serious jeopardy
if too many of us started thinking like rational adults.

Besides, you had the temerity to actually defend the one thing that
scares the daylights out of these Nazis: having fun.  They've never
had fun, and see no reason why you should.

They *have* had power, and they like that fine.

Yes, I am definitely in a "them" and "us" mode.  But, you know what?
That may very well be a rational view of the world.

Hell, Merry Christmas to you and even to them.  My kids just called
saying that they were going to arrange a string of lights on the
roof that said "EAT ME".
+-------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
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| crispen@foxy.boeing.com       |      Campus Crusade for Cthulhu      |
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Date:         Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:38:42 EST
From:         Darcy Clark <03249587@MINMET.UQ.OZ.AU>
Subject:      Re: Acid Jazz

 A local show here in Australia had an article on 'Acid Jazz' (the Noise-SBS)
 - they defined it as Jazz combined with various other musical elements such
 hip-hop beats etc.. I'm not sure if they were correct
                    Darrcy Clark
                    03249587@minmet.uq.oz.au
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:31:00 EST
From:         WERT7176@SNYPLAVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: You guys

Date sent:  15-DEC-1992 17:25:26
>From:  IN%"ALLMUSIC@AUVM.BITNET"  "Discussions on all forms of Music" 15-DEC-19
   92 00:58:33.79
>To:    IN%"BEHR5606@SNYPLAVA.BITNET"  "Behr 5606", IN%"CRAIGHM@SNYPLAVA.BITNET"
     "HARRIETTE CRAIG", IN%"SHEP3686@SNYPLAVA.BITNET"  "CHRIS SHEPPARD", IN%"TRI
   C6536@SNYPLAVA.BITNET"  "Vincenzo A. Tricozzi", IN%"WERT7176@SNYPLAVA.BITNET"
     "Ben Werth"
>CC:
>Subj:  Marsha knows what's up!

Marsha you are my newest love.  Tell Timmy that you graded my paper and I
spelled everything right.  These heated debates are getting to sweaty for
me, so I might drop out, but hold on that wouldn't be cool because there
would be no one left to fuck with the masses.  Now I see I must stay.
Hardcore, rhymes galore, and we're all whores.

Love,
ben

ps- weren't you on the Brady Bunch?
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