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From: wang@ocf.berkeley.edu (Albert Sze-Wei Wang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: Studio Proteus and Nausicaa
Date: 21 Aug 1992 19:01:32 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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        Eric Shen brought up an interesting point to me in private email
dealing with the whole thing of what looked like "nyah nyah I know something
you don't know."  First, I'd like to say that appearance was unintentional.
When someone posted asking about SP and Viz, there was no way anyone who
knew the answer could possibly tell him because of its sensitive nature.
Yeah, I guess that I could have either ignored it or even left it undone,
but rumors develop very quickly and I have enough respect for SP and Viz
that I thought if I said something people wouldn't start making stuff
up.  You'd be surprised how easy it is to make up something really evil
and attribute it to rumor.  Hell I know there's been a ton of unfounded
rumors flying around locally dealing with Mike and Dave and I am fairly
certain neither Mike or Dave started them.  In the past month I have gotten
sick and tired of all the BS rumors being thrown around locally and have
just had enough of all of it.
        The next thing Eric brought to my attention was what looked like
I had "preempted" Greg Scanlon's post.  I had been intimately involved in
the negotiations and after the happy agreement was reached saw a post that
I thought needed an immediate response.  I didn't know when Greg would
post and decided to post immediately stating that the problem had been
resolved and to await Greg's post for details since Greg was our official
fountain of knowledge.  I'd like to point out that Greg and I are friends
and are working together to communicate with Japan to bring people over
for the next Expo.  There was certainly no ego involved and I would like
to apologize if it looked that way.  Well, I apologize profusely for this
waste of net space and I'll try not to do it again.


Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.  :)


Albert
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From: michael@izumi.DIALix.oz.au (Michael Studte)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: intron depot
Distribution: world
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 15:47:03 GMT
Organization: JAFWA, Cal-Animage Zeta, Perth, Western Australia


In article <1992Aug11.113530.1@vax1.umkc.edu> cbjuland@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
 > 
 > Intron Depot is listed for $39.95 according to Dark Horse.  Yet Manga-chan (the > new mail order company) list's the Japanese version for about $22.70.  I can't
 > beleive Dark Horse will be charging almost $20.00 more for providing it in
 > English.  (It's an art book, will there even be that much text???)

You think you got trouble. :) I pre-ordered a copy, and am now stuck
with paying my local comic dealer the equivalent of US$50 for it (add
in all the shipping and all) and I now find out I could get it through
Bret for way less than half that. <sob>

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From: kchang@orion.oac.uci.edu (K_Shibuya)
Subject: Basara
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Organization: Cal-Animage Epsilon
Date: 19 Aug 92 10:39:23 GMT

If you like good Shojo manga, Basara is really good for a reading enjoyment.
The author/artist is Tamura Yumi and the manga is under Flower Comics.
Take a look at it for the story is really interesting. If you want a brief
summary, just ask for it.

Katsumi Shibuya
kchang@orion.oac.uci.edu
From: chiu@ucsee.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: video girl ai 5
Date: 20 Aug 1992 17:03:03 GMT
Organization: University of California Society of Electrical Engineers (UCSEE)
Distribution: world
Reply-To: chiu@ucsee.Berkeley.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsee.berkeley.edu
Summary: Hong  Kong Job
Keywords: VGA
Originator: chiu@ucsee.Berkeley.EDU

In article <16vmtiINN3mk@agate.berkeley.edu> ph111-dz@violet.berkeley.edu (david mou) writes:

>Now that you have VGA#5.  Hold on to it.  I know some people in Osaka's 
>been looking.  Make them beg.....

Of course for people in the states, you might consider lookin' into some
chinese book stores since DX edition of banned compiliations are still
available in chinese. (Though I can't guarentee that portions of material
that caused them to be banned remains intact in DX edition)

>    davmou@ocf.berkeley.edu  ph111-dz@violet.berkeley.edu   studio 3x3  ^ ^

>                     David "wanna Gundam poster?" Mou
From: Mike.Woo-Ming@um.cc.umich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: (none given)
Date: 15 Aug 92 01:46:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: um.rec.arts.manga.15195951
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From: pearl@remus.rutgers.edu (Starbuck)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: Kikuchi = Asamiya ?!
Keywords: Kia Asamiya
Date: 15 Aug 92 20:34:24 GMT
Organization: the Worlds Welfare Work Association, Rutgers Anime division

In article <16i024INNrh8@agate.berkeley.edu> chiu@ucsee.berkeley.edu writes:

 > In article <906mr1-.albertw@netcom.com > albertw@netcom.com (Albert Wong) writes:
 > 
 >  > >Someone please quell/confirm this rumor that was mentioned to me.
 > 
 >  > >        'Haruhiko Mikimoto confirmed during Anime Expo that
 >  > >         Michitaka Kikuchi and Kia Asamiya were one and the
 >  > >         same person'
 > 
 > Believe it. Dave M. brought it up during the 'meet the guests' session
 > on Friday night of AE92. Mikimoto sensei (THE GOD) stated to the effect
 > that although they're not friends, but he does know him (Kia) and 
 > that Kikuchi and Asamiya are the same person. Patrick, Dave M. K Chung,
 > and I were there. (Of course Dave M. was more interested in finding
 > out if Kia/Kikuchi did SweetParty)
 > 
 > -Dave C.

Ok.. This will be added to next month's ram FAQ.


Ever dilligently,

Steve
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From: wang@ocf.berkeley.edu (Albert Sze-Wei Wang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: intron depot
Date: 18 Aug 1992 05:39:46 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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In article <XmaHPB4w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> lonewolf@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Benoy Koshy) writes:
>cbjuland@vax1.umkc.edu writes:

>- Intron Depot is listed for $39.95 according to Dark Horse.  Yet Manga-chan (t
>- new mail order company) list's the Japanese version for about $22.70.  I can'
>- beleive Dark Horse will be charging almost $20.00 more for providing it in
>- English.  (It's an art book, will there even be that much text???)

>What's even worse is that Intron is already in English so Dark Horse is 
>doing absolutely nothing and making $20.00 US for doing absolutely 
>nothing.

Jeez.  Are they doing direct importing then?  Are they even going to touch
the original and do something like wipe out the Japanese text?  It almost
sounds like they're directly importing them and reselling them for profit.
At this rate it's worth it to find someone who's going to Japan and simply
have he or she bring back Intron Depot... maybe with the Ranma game for the
SNES your friends own...  :)


Albert


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Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
From: chedberg@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Re: Orion Translation Job
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:36:14 GMT

	Well, my hope is that they'll do the same type of job on Orion as they
did on Appleseed. They referenced their work in the margins, so that even if
they couldn't fit stuff into the actual storyline, the fans would know where
they mythology behind the story lay. I mean, I would have been lost without
that, and I know a fair bit about Greek mythology. Shirow is a scary guy!
					-Chris Hedberg
From: qdny@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Translated manga for sale
Date: 15 Aug 92 15:40:21 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

I'm selling off a lot of (English) comic books to clean out my
apartment, and some of these are translated manga so I figured I'd
mention it here.  See rec.arts.comics.marketplace (gee, somebody
conserving bandwidth!) for the list or Email me if you can't get
r.a.c.m. 

The primary manga items I have for sale are almost-complete sets of
Xenon and Area 88, and a complete set (only 9 issues, though) of Justy. 
I also have a few single issues of various other titles.

By the way, does anybody know about how much Akira #1 (English) goes for
these days?  I have that for sale as well but haven't listed it yet
since I figured it might actually be worth something more than about $1.

Bruce Hahne
Cornell University grad student
Internet:  bruce@atto.ee.cornell.edu
Bitnet:    qdny@crnlvax5

"Who wants to be toast first?"
- Lum, preparing yet another lightning blast.
From: ph111-dz@violet.berkeley.edu (david mou)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: video girl ai 5
Date: 20 Aug 1992 08:59:30 GMT
Organization: studio 3x3, a.b.
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <Bt97B7.1CE@jrd.dec.com> doi@jrd.dec.com (Hitoshi Doi =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCRVowZj9OO1YbKEI=?= ) writes:
>I have no idea who many of these new characters are, but I didn't find
>anything in there that would cause it go out of print..
>
There are, in my conjecture, 2 possible reasons.  Shonen Jump and PTA.
I can't imagine what I would do if I read VGA #5 15 years ago.....

>Why did Youta dump Moemi for Nobuko?
I think it's the other way around.  Youta didn't get anywhere with Moemi,
and Nobuko just popped out and was all over Youta.

>Why did Ai lose her memory?
>
I don't think it's "why" as much as "how".  There was this one big mess in 
vol.3 where Ai had to get regenerated (the first of many Ai regeneration
processes to follow).  The manga could have ended shortly after, but 
supposedly the hormone overdosed youths of Japan demanded it's continuation.
So the manga went on, and H, and on....  The OAV might end sooner thou.
We might not see any Nokuko at all (just guessing here; haven't read AnimeV
for a while).

Now that you have VGA#5.  Hold on to it.  I know some people in Osaka's 
been looking.  Make them beg.....

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From: tkim@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Tonghyun Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: Kikuchi = Asamiya ?!
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:41:02 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <TETSU.92Aug18063221@loafer.kutsuda.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp> tetsu@kutsuda.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp writes:
>Hm, there must be a misunderstanding. As far as I know, it's incorrect.
>Once they used to use the same pen-name, i.e. ASAMIA Kia!
>They used to work together under the same name,
>but KIKUCHI started his anime-works under his own name.
>Now each of them is working on his own way.
>So we can say that KIKUCHI Michitaka used to be ASAMIA Kia
>(ASAMIA used to be ASAMIA, of course :-p)
>but anyway they are not the same person now.

Nope. Kikuchi started working as an animator BEFORE Asamiya published
any manga and Kikuchi always used his name for any anime related
projects.


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From: wang@ocf.berkeley.edu (Albert Sze-Wei Wang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: Orion & Battle Angel Alita
Date: 18 Aug 1992 05:30:35 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbang.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug3.215610.1519@wdl.loral.com> dcb@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (David C Blume) writes:

>Also, I'm very anxious to see how Orion is translated.  I think the publisher
>made the right choice in translating Orion instead of Ghost in the Shell.
>Orion is fresh, and will be very entertaining.  American comics don't need
>another cyber-punk storyline right now.  Orion is my favorite work by Shirow
>to date...

I liked both GITS and Orion, however, Orion is even MORE difficult to translate
correctly than Ghost in the Shell.  If all the Taoist-Buddhist-Kojiki-
mythological-cultural elements are left out, I will be very VERY upset.
My friend who helped me write the Ghost in the Shell article for Animag
wouldn't even consider working on Orion.  If whoever is doing the English
rendering chooses to make things up instead of rendering a proper
translation, I will be even MORE upset and urge people to boycott it.
Just as I didn't buy Viz's Lum because it wasn't loyal to the original,
I won't buy Orion if it's done poorly to the original manga.

Buy the manga!  Learn Japanese!  :)


Albert

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From: tkim@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Tonghyun Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: Orion Translation Job
Date: 23 Aug 92 06:38:41 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Aug23.053212.19240@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Vampire Hunter C) writes:
>			ORION #1 (of 6)
>			Story, art and painted covers
>			by Masamine Shirow.
>			Translation by Fred Schodt
>			(author of MANGA! MANGA!) and
>			Toren Smith.


Looks like the two BEST translators in the industry are working on the 
project. :) That makes the future of translated Orion quite a bit
brighter. 


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From: wang@ocf.berkeley.edu (Albert Sze-Wei Wang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: Orion & Battle Angel Alita
Date: 20 Aug 1992 17:50:09 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbang.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug19.000219.21156@sura.net> wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes) writes:
>In article <16q1trINNsg@agate.berkeley.edu> wang@ocf.berkeley.edu (Albert Sze-Wei Wang) writes:

[Stuff about Orion tough to translate deleted]

>Well, if it makes you feel better, Dark Horse claims that Toren is running
>around tracking down all of referrences in Orion, so hopefully he's
>trying to be as faithful as possible.

Let's hope so.  Remember how Urusei Yatsura had plays on words in Japanese?
Guess what Orion has as well?  You're going to have to know the Japanese
colloquial definition to certain sounds, but yet the kanji's are different
and mean something else.  Shirow planned it that way through the entire
manga and had selected the kanjis carefully to reflect tools he was using
in the mythology soup.  I honestly don't know how in the hell they're going
to translate all of that accurately without simply ignoring the double 
meanings and sticking simply with the kanji.  You can never get enough of
Shirow.

>Yeah, right!  Easier said than done!  Particularly since this is a manga
>most native Japanese have trouble with!

Yeah, it's like they'll say "You remember the scene with the nuclear weapons
in Orion?" and the person who will not have really read it will say "There
were nuclear weapons in Orion??" to which the response will be, "No,
Shirow's nuclear weapons...."  Lovely.  The sound is nuclear weapons but
the kanji and what it actually is in the manga is something else.  And it
goes through the entire manga that way...


Albert


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From: chiu@ucsee.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: Kikuchi = Asamiya ?!
Date: 15 Aug 1992 04:09:40 GMT
Organization: University of California Society of Electrical Engineers (UCSEE)
Reply-To: chiu@ucsee.Berkeley.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsee.berkeley.edu
Summary: It's TRUE
Keywords: Kia Asamiya
Originator: chiu@ucsee.Berkeley.EDU

In article <906mr1-.albertw@netcom.com> albertw@netcom.com (Albert Wong) writes:

>>Someone please quell/confirm this rumor that was mentioned to me.

>>        'Haruhiko Mikimoto confirmed during Anime Expo that
>>         Michitaka Kikuchi and Kia Asamiya were one and the
>>         same person'

>>Riiiiiight....  I'm inclined to NOT believe this.  It seems that Kikuchi 
>>might be _great_ friends with Asamiya, but the same person?!  Nah....

>>Well, is the rumor correct or incorrect (please give some evidence).

Believe it. Dave M. brought it up during the 'meet the guests' session
on Friday night of AE92. Mikimoto sensei (THE GOD) stated to the effect
that although they're not friends, but he does know him (Kia) and 
that Kikuchi and Asamiya are the same person. Patrick, Dave M. K Chung,
and I were there. (Of course Dave M. was more interested in finding
out if Kia/Kikuchi did SweetParty)

-Dave C.


Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
From: albertw@netcom.com (Albert Wong)
Subject: Re: Kikuchi = Asamiya ?!
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 00:46:52 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <mBFHPB7w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> vchan@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Victor Chan) writes:
>Someone please quell/confirm this rumor that was mentioned to me.
>        'Haruhiko Mikimoto confirmed during Anime Expo that
>         Michitaka Kikuchi and Kia Asamiya were one and the
>         same person'
>
>Riiiiiight....  I'm inclined to NOT believe this.  It seems that Kikuchi 
>might be _great_ friends with Asamiya, but the same person?!  Nah....
>
>Well, is the rumor correct or incorrect (please give some evidence).
>

Did not Haruhiko Mikimoto spill the beans that Kia Asamiya and
Mitchitaka Kikuchi are the same people?  Go bug, Tonghyun Kim, he has
the low down...I was in the video rooms at AE92. ~_~

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From: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: Homosexuality, shoujo manga, etc.
Date: 22 Aug 92 04:02:19 GMT
Reply-To: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: "Ki" Extenders of Ultimo


Conty writes:
 >To tell the truth, most people here (college-age
 >males) are not into shojo manga at all.  Their loss.  :-)

You mean rec.arts.manga?  This is a strange thing to say.  There
are certainly a lot of "college-age male" shoujo manga readers on
r.a.m, though the topic doesn't crop up as often as it could.
(Too busy reading about Toren Smith, I guess!  Whoever the hell
he is.)

When you say it's a "loss" that people don't read shoujo manga,
are you referring to any titles in particular?  For starters,
going out and browsing thru Hana to Yume, Ribbon, etc. is a
trifle embarassing for some people (including now-famous male
manga artists).  Some people don't have Japanese-literate
sisters, girlfriends or wives who will buy them, either.

Can you recommend any 100% shoujo titles?  The primer needs more
shoujo recommendations.

The shoujo manga that I do see in the course of my 'normal' manga
reading, I like (mostly).  Ume Momo Sakura comes to mind (it's
now over ;_;).  I also like quasi-shoujo artists like Kitagawa,
Takahashi and Takakuro Atsuko.  But some shoujo stuff seems to
be in non-shoujo magazines just for filler and obligatory 'variety',
and it shows.

Back to the subject:, homosexuals obviously do turn up in other kinds
of manga, and not just effeminate-looking okama types.  In Oss!! Karatebu,
a manga drowning in its own machismo, we have the Majima brothers, Boku
and Sabu (Boku is the "dead bone" serial killer, Sabu is a master of
toujutsu and one-time leader of Roppongi Troop).  They have a gay and
incestuous relationship.  (They're not stereotyped, everyone in OKB is
majorly screwed up in some way or another. ^_^  Not that I could care
less about such political correctness concerns.)

BTW, please don't post noise about where r.a.m is, etc., go through
the normal channels to change the FAQ.  R.a.m doesn't need more noise
to scare off the rapidly diminishing Japanese readership.


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From: genef@netcom.com (Gene Fornario)
Subject: Re: intron depot
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 16:06:51 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I might want to mention that Manga no Mori was selling autographed copies
of Intron Depot for $100 at the San Diego Con.

Gene--

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From: dcb@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (David C Blume)
Subject: Re: Kikuchi = Asamiya ?!
Keywords: Kia Asamiya
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:37:21 GMT

>chiu@ucsee.berkeley.edu writes:
>- 
>- Mikimoto sensei (THE GOD) stated to the effect
>- that although they're not friends, but he does know him (Kia) and 
>- that Kikuchi and Asamiya are the same person.

Funny.  Both of him get credit for the Silent Mobius Movie #1.  Both of him
must enjoy that!

--David
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