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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:55:00 EST
From:         CCDOOLE@INDSVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Re:School Newspaper

Hello All SGAnetters;

It has been some time since becomming involved with the hot topics on the system
   because I have been away in Indianapolis, IN, USA.  But, this is one topic th
   at
has captured my attention.  The first question at hand is who will pay for the
distribution of the newspaper?  If Student Government is going to fund this
project, it should be in bill form.  The purpose of creating a bill for early
funding is so you could produce a current edition.

If the first publication is a success, then it would not become difficult to
make it a part of the FISCAL budget for the next school year. I tried th im-
plement this project two(2) years ago, but, could not recieve the greatly needed
   support and [STORIES] for publication.

I would like to agree with Mr. Will Barratt that controversial stories will get
the attention of both students and the administration.  One objective that Mr.
Barratt did point out that I disagree with is ATTACKING Student Government!

The focus of the newspaper sould be . . .
If tuition is going to be raised, then what is the funding going to be used for?
   Why are the price of Student Book fee's becomming un-affordable?  What is the
Administration doing to decrease the drop-out rate of MINORITIES on campus?  Is
there a PARKING problem on my campus?

The main point that I am trying to make is that specific stories about STUDENT
ISSUES that effect your campus, and that involves Student Government, should be
the front running issues of the Newspaper.  Now if you go after the Administra-
tion, be prepared to be BLACKBALLED . . .

Eugene P. Dooley
Past Student Government President
(1990-91)
Indiana State University
Terre Haute, Indiana, USA
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From:         Jim Howard <JAHOWA01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      SCHOOL NEWSPAPERS

President, Student Government Association
Phone: (502) 588-6695

Shane -

Good luck with your paper. Students here read the campus paper to find out
about the latest news - news about student life, effects of budget cuts, new
buildings, etc. When I go through a paper, I do not turn right to the "COLUMN"
page. Too many times, columns are the subjective opinions of people
contemplating apathy, the meaning of life, challenges of being mature on a
beer drinking campus, etc. NEWS IS WHAT SELLS (actually, our independent paper
is free).(I *do* read the editorials though right after the news).

I empathize with you on this issue. In the past, the paper had been critical
of the SGA - and, unfortunately the paper can make or break you. This year, I
made relations a priority between SGA and the paper. I was invited to write a
guest column in the Freshman Orientation Issue (the only summer one
published), and they just recently ran a huge free ad for us (as a public
service announcement for a new project we just began). They really have a great
staff this year!!

Shane, I'd be happy to correspond on e-mail with you to offer suggestions,
etc. , if you'd like.

Good luck!

--JIM HOWARD
President, SGA
University of Louisville
jahowa01@ulkyvm.louisville.edu OR jahowa01@ulkyvm.BITNET
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From: mconte@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Marc Vincent Conte)
Subject: Re: School Newspapers
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 07:51:57 GMT

The student government at Ohio State just takes out full page ads about 
three times a quarter.  We call it USG Today and it acts as more of 
a newsletter.  We have a fairly good relationship with our school paper
especially now that I'm doing PR for USG.  The folks at the paper know
me from my gay activism--an asset for a change.

Marc

-- 
  Marc Conte at The OSU---SCARLET AND GrAY
       mconte@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:43:33 EST
From:         "Will Barratt" <EGBARRA@BEFAC.INDSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: SCHOOL NEWSPAPERS

Doesn't anyone else find it a little crass to focus first on what
stimulates students to read a paper rather than on what the paper
will be about?

What sells papers is easy!  Take a look at the high selling, lowest
common denominator papers which abound today.  SEX and CONTROVERSY
sell like hot cakes.  Is sex and controversy what the proposed paper
should be about?

If I were editing a school paper now (my editorships are long in the
past), controversy would be the name of the game.  The obvious
target would be Student Government (because they make the easiest
target - often because they are misunderstood) and the Administration
(that is any member of the administration (they make great targets
because they get angry so easily - and that creates more controversy -
 which sells more papers).

 OK so you want your own captive SGA paper.  Who will pay for it?
What is to differentiate it from any other captive propaganda sheet?
Alternative papers are usually healthy for a campus, but a lot
depends on the goals of the paper (and of the publishers/editors).


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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:12:25 PDT
From:         probst@SFU.CA
Subject:      Re: SCHOOL NEWSPAPERS
              "SHANE@U.WASHINGTON.EDU" at Sep 8, 92 1:25 pm

i'm not going by the pick-up rate of our newspaper (the peak), but
i know one things that seems to atract the interest of most
students is news about study conditions - for instance, a number
of departments went through external reviews, getting some very
heavy specific criticisms - this seems to be the thing that people
were eager to find out about.
--
Scott Probst: Brain and Behaviour Laboratory, Psychology dept, SFU
              Graduate Issues Officer, Simon Fraser Student Society.
e-mail: probst@fraser.sfu.ca - ph: (604) 291 3354/3181 - fax: (604) 291 5843
              "yes, well, and here we go again..." - Dr H. S. Thompson
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:25:30 PDT
From:         "Derek K. Miller" <dkmiller@UNIXG.UBC.CA>
Subject:      Re: School Newspapers
              14, 92 12:58 pm

>
> hi derek. what is the problem with the Ubyssey? i hadn't heard about
> the new paper.
>
> sp
> --
> Scott Probst: Brain and Behaviour Laboratory, Psychology dept, SFU
>               Graduate Issues Officer, Simon Fraser Student Society.
> e-mail: probst@fraser.sfu.ca - ph: (604) 291 3354/3181 - fax: (604) 291 5843
>               "yes, well, and here we go again..." - Dr H. S. Thompson
>

Well, among the major concerns was that they very rarely covered campus
issues except when they fell into controversy, and that they relied too
much on CUP, so that we heard more about other campuses than our own.

Some of the staff of the Campus Times disliked the leftie perspective of
The Ubyssey as well, and we've tried to lean more on news coverage and
less on opinion.

Those were the major things.

      :=:=> Derek K. Miller                 dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca
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From:         "Derek K. Miller" <dkmiller@UNIXG.UBC.CA>
Subject:      Re: School Newspapers
              Sep 13, 92 7:51 am

We have an interesting situation here at UBC. The 75-year-old campus paper,
published (but not editorially controlled) by the student association (the
Alma Mater Society, or AMS) is, like most Canadian campus papers, entirely
funded from two sources: the AMS budget and advertising. Recently, a group
of students and ex-students (me included) who were dissatisfied with the
quality of the current paper, called The Ubyssey, started up another, called
the Campus Times.

There are several complicating factors. The two movers and shakers behind
the Campus Times want to stay as far away from connection with the AMS
as possible, so the paper is separately incorporated, has an off-campus
post box, etc. Because the Campus Times is not an AMS publication, the AMS
sees it as competing for advertising with the Ubyssey (quite true) and
possibly costing them money (perhaps). The AMS does not permit non-AMS
publications to be distributed free in the Student Union Building, and will
prevent the Campus Times from being so - as is their right. There is also
apparently an old agreement with the University Administration to prevent
non-campus publications from appearing on campus. The Campus Times could
fall under that if pressure were to be applied. I don't know if it will.

Further complicating this situation is the fact that I am not only a writer
and Opinion Editor for the Campus Times. I am also a student member of the
University Board of Governors (elected), and thus a member of Student Council
of the AMS. I do not vote because I am ALSO employed by the AMS as a Researcher.

Any comments on the situation?

      :=:=> Derek K. Miller                 dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca
      Researcher, Alma Mater Society        thegrodd@tz.ucs.sfu.ca
      Student Board of Governors Member     thegrodd@tz.ucs.sfu.ca
      University of British Columbia, Canada
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:06:17 -0400
From:         "Carl M. Kadie" <kadie@EFF.ORG>
Subject:      Re: School Newspapers

>We have an interesting situation here at UBC.

I can think of no reason why the Student Government should be
controlling the student press. The student press should be
independent.

Moreover, the no one should be able suppress independent student papers.

- Carl

ANNOTATED REFERENCES

(All these documents are available on-line. Access information follows.)

=================
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The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms - From the Canadian
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These document(s) are available by anonymous ftp (the preferred
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  pub/academic/law/charter.can

To get the file(s) by email, send email to archive-server@eff.org.
Include the line(s) (be sure to include the space before the file
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:58:31 PDT
From:         probst@SFU.CA
Subject:      Re: School Newspapers
              Sep 14, 92 10:59 am

hi derek. what is the problem with the Ubyssey? i hadn't heard about
the new paper.

sp
--
Scott Probst: Brain and Behaviour Laboratory, Psychology dept, SFU
              Graduate Issues Officer, Simon Fraser Student Society.
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Subject:      RE: Very Interesting Software for the visually handicapped.....

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From:         SHANE@U.WASHINGTON.EDU
Subject:      SCHOOL NEWSPAPERS

Our student government is publishing its own weekly newspaper in response to
rising advertising rates and near-hostile treatment of our SGA by the
campus paper.  My question:  what's the most popular column/feature of your
paper?  What's going to get the student body to pick our paper up?
Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

--Shane Burnett
--University of Washington, Seattle
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:11:30 EDT
From:         David.Englander@UM.CC.UMICH.EDU
Subject:      Removal

PLEASE remove me from this conference.  I am no longer involved in SGA affairs.
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From:         Michael Friendly <FRIENDLY@VM1.YORKU.CA>
Subject:      Re: Decoding "garbage" in mail

Until I get my NeXT connected to the network, all I can do with
encoded mail from next-l is send it to the bit bucket.
I suggest that unless there is a serious reason for sending
NeXTmail to the list, it should be sent as plain text ASCII
as a courtesy to those who are not reading it on NeXT machines.

Michael
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From:         "Jay P. Weidner" <jpw@MINIVAN.VETMED.WSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Decoding "garbage" in mail (Next Mail)

Michael,

Your explanation is correct, sort of.  If you type plain text in a
"NeXT Mail" document, it will come across as ASCII text okay with one
exception.  The line lengths are often too long to fit conveniently
on standard 80 character terminals.  When you click on "Non-NeXT
Mail", the text is converted to ASCII with approximately 72
characters per line (I don't remember the exact number but think it
can be changed).  After writing this, I tested it to check and my
Next Mail came across fine on my 80 character DOS terminal.  I'm not
sure exactly what's going on and have had inconsistent luck with
sending NeXT Mail to non-NeXT users.  After sending and receiving 300
+ mail messages to my boss, who was on sabattical leave in Europe
last year, I came to the conclusion that it is easier just to hit
"Non-NeXT Mail" each time before sending it out.  After a while it
becomes a habit and prevents a lot of confusion on the other end.

I'd spend more time on this to try to figure it out, but too busy
right now.  Maybe someone else will fill you in with the *really*
correct info, but the jist of what I said above is more or less on
the right track.  I do know that your two messages were not identical
(as you will probably find when you read them on your NeXT, since I
can see the difference on mine.)


Jay P. Weidner, DVM
Dept. of Veterinary Clinical Medicine & Surgery
McCoy Hall
Washington State University
Pullman, WA 99164-6610

Phone:  (509)335-0812 or (509)335-0711

FAX:    (509)335-0811    (This is a Fax Modem, please send
                          high resolution mode if possible)

e-mail:  jpw @ minivan.vetmed.wsu.edu  (NeXT Mail Accepted)
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:45:05 BST
From:         Arash Farmanfarmaian <arash@SBCOC.COM>
Subject:      Re: Calendar Software

Hi Dan,
	You must be kidding. Calendascope positively "s***ks". And
anyhow, the company has been in Chapter 7  (liquidation) for at least
a year. A better product, and hopefully improving by the day, is
PencilMeIn by Sarrus Software (though still in Beta form)

Arash F2
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Date:         Sun, 6 Sep 1992 17:19:47 EDT
From:         Sergei Naumov <serge@SLOTH.ASTRO.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Decoding "garbage" in mail

Hello, everybody!
Please, answer, who knows, is there a version of Mathematics for Sun with
SunView (or with X). I'm very looking for it! Please ...
Thanks,
	Serge	serge@sloth.astro.unc.edu
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:00:52 -0500
From:         "J. Cunningham" <jkellyc@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Windowserver weirdness...

Hello all,

Everything was fine until a reboot...Then, I needed to login as root.

           !!!!!!!!!BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

Each time I try to login as root the Windowserver dies(?) after Terminal
autolauches, but before the Workspace appears.  Each attempt to login as
root shows up as a root login when the "who" command is given from a different
account.  (One for each Terminal autolauch?)

Two other machines developed a similar (post reboot) problem, so I think I
inherited the problem from elsewhere.  (Like a fool, I didn't concern
myself until it happened on MY machine.)

Any and all help appreciated.  Please respond by e-mail and I'll post the
suggestions/solution for posterity.

                 These NeXTs sure do keep you entertained.

Randomly, Kelly Cunningham
<deviate@lipschitz.sfasu.edu><f_cnnghamjk@ccsvax.sfasu.edu><jkellyc@tenet.edu>
   NeXTMail (encouraged)       VMS Mail (better than Mail)  Pine (beats Mail)
        Help! I've fallen into network hell and I can't reach my beer!

p.s. I apologize if this seems like a flame, it's not.  I just try not to
take any of this too seriously. Cheers.
p.p.s. Will Pine run on a NeXT?
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From:         Ivan Strand <ivan@XENIAL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Decoding "garbage" in mail

Hi,

If you were able to decode Schietekat's message, he had three
suggestions for decoding mail messages, one of which was by copying
the encoded portion of the meassage message in mail then typing the
following in a terminal window:

paste | ( mkdirs /tmp/DecodeNeXTMail ; cd /tmp/nextmailthings ;
uudecode ; (cat .tar* ; rm .tar*) | uncompress | tar xf -; open . )

This a nice piece of code, and it works well except for two things:
1) Its an incredible pain in the ass to type; and
2) it will not work unless the directory you change to is the one
which you created.

Solution:
Open (or make) with the Edit app the file .cshrc in your home
directory. (Note this file is named "period cshrc" and you can see
these so-called "dot files" files by opening a terminal window and
typing "ls -a" at the prompt.)

Add or put the following line in the file (You will probably have an
alias or two in there already if the file exits, just add this one
after the last one listed.):

alias	decode	'paste | ( mkdirs /tmp/DecodeNeXTMail ; cd
/tmp/DecodeNeXTMail ; uudecode ; (cat .tar* ; rm .tar*) | uncompress
| tar xf -; open . )'

(Notice the substitution of "DecodeNeXTMail" for "nextmailthings' in
Ray's script.


Notice also: there are <tabs> between alias and decode and decode and
'paste...i.e.: alias<tab>decode<tab>'paste...
and note the backslashes around the command.

You can be sure you have it right by coping the line from this
message and pasting it in your .cshrc file, then you will never have
to type it!)

Next, save the file .cshrc as modified

Now, open a terminal window and type:

source .cshrc

at the prompt. (This forces the system to reread the file .cshrc and
get the new entries.)

Now type

alias

All your aliases will now be listed in your terminal window,
including decode.


O.K., that's all the hacking you need to.


Now, the next time you get one of those messages just

1) copy (Command c) the portion from 'begin 666" to "end", inclusive.
2) Open a terminal window and type decode at the prompt
After some system bumping and thumping around, you will have a
directory on your screen containing the decoded file which you can
now open and read by

3) double clicking on its icon.

(Last note for unix wienees. I originally used an alias of dc for
decode, but I realized that this would disable /bin/dc, the nerds
desk calculator.)

Thanks, Ray, for the script.

ivan strand
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Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 1992 17:56:08 EDT
From:         Sergei Naumov <serge@SLOTH.ASTRO.UNC.EDU>

Hello, everybody!
I'm looking for Mathematica for Sun and SunView. Does anybody
know something about it and in general, what versions of
Mathematica is possible to find out?
Thanks,
	Serge	serge@sloth.astro.unc.edu
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 09:21:11 EDT
From:         michael@AFS.COM
Subject:      Re: Decoding "garbage" in mail

>As one who has occasionally been guilty of sending out this type of message, I
>think this is would be the most appropriate plan of attack for NeXTMail ->
>NeXTMail messages, otherwise, look for the big triangle around the mailbox on
>the 'deliver' button and think twice before clicking it

Here's a question:  My default to send is Non-NeXT mail.  If I choose NeXT mail,
 then
enter only text (no font changes, no attachments, etc.), does the message get
 encoded or
not?  Mail does not put the big triangle in the Deliver button if I only enter
 text into a NeXT
mail message.

I'm sending one copy of this message as Non-NeXT mail.  I will send an identical
 copy as
NeXT mail, but with only text, in a single font, and with no attachments.  My
 theory is that
they will come through identically, except for the line following this
 paragraph, which is
intentionally different.  Somebody let me know what happens; I have no real way
 to test
this here.

>>> This is the NeXT mail version. <<<

Thanx,
Michael
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