Newsgroups: bit.listserv.hellas
Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:00:46 EST
Reply-To:     "Kostas Blathras" <kostas@ZORO.CIS.TEMPLE.EDU>
From:         "Kostas Blathras" <kostas@ZORO.CIS.TEMPLE.EDU>
Subject:      Ekpaideush (fwd) ( kai mia erwtish )
Comments: To: hellas@brownvm.brown.edu

Kostas the Great
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  Xairetw ta plithi ,
   H Erwtish prwta :
   Poios einai o orismos prwtokosmikwn, deyterokosmikwn, kai tritokosmikwn
xwrwn, me apla logia, kai merika paradeigmata, ei dynaton ?
( P.X. To Mpangla-des einai tritokosmiko, klp.. )

  Twra sto thema ths ekpaideyshs pou thetei h filh Aleka, exw merika shmeia
kai egw ( Ta shmeia einai apo prwsopikh empeiria, kai ohi thewritika )

> From: AFILINDR%CC.BRYNMAWR.EDU@brownvm.brown.edu
>
> Mporei sthn ellada na mathainoume pente pramata mathhmatika kai fusikh AN
> mas pesei kalos kathhghths kai AN akolouthoume th desmh alla:

   Kai otan irtha edw, kai ekana image processing, kai evlepa tous allous
graduate pou akougane Fourier Transforms, kai tous ekove kryos idrwtas,
evlogousa ta pethamena tou kathigith mou sta mathimatika. ( asheta an otan ta
ekana sto panepisthmio, sthn Ellada, eiha faei to vivlio me patates sto
fourno ).

> 1.To susthma eisagwghs sto Ellhniko Panepisthmio epitrepei thn eisodo mono
> tou enos tritou twn eksetasthentwn. (130,000 eksetasthentes tha einai fetos
 kai
> oi theseis einai 40,700 kai 6,545 apo autes pane stous apofoitous twn TEL kai
> Polukladikwn pou mpainoun sta TEI xwris eksetaseis. BHMA 9.3.92).

   Exartatai, gia poio logo ena kratos tha apofasisei na organwsei thn paideia:
 1. Gia na kalypsei eswterikes anages se episthmoniko, h exeideikeymeno
    prwsopiko. Se ayth thn periptwsh, oi theseis eisagwghs, einai idh polles
   ( nomizw pws mas perrisevoun para polloi filologoi, fysikoi, dhkigoroi, klp)

 2. Gia na spoudasoun osoi theloun na spoudasoun. Eeee.. tote, prepei na
    anoixoun kai alla panepisthmia, kai na plirwnwi opoios spoudazei.

    Egw tha protimousa to 1. giati me to 2. den tha mporousa na spoudasw,
    mias kai h oikogeneia den diethete metrita...

> Apotelesma; To ena trito twn Ellhnwn foithtwn brisketai sto ekswteriko. Exei
> upologistei oti me to sunallagma pou xanei kathe xrono h xwra, tha mporousame
> mesa se liga xronia na beltiwsoume aperiorista to ekpaideutiko mas xali.

   Mporei, alla thaprepe na vazoume tous foitites na plirwnoune thn paideia
apo thn tsepi tous, pou egw diafwnw. Egw thelw na exei o kathenas tis idies
eykairies na spoudasei, asheta an o pateras tou einai matso' h ohi.

> (P. Poluxronopoulos, Paideia kai Politikh sthn Ellada, Ekdoseis Kataniwth,
>  1978)Xwria oti to ekswteriko krataei pollous apo tous kaluterous Ellhnes
>  episthmones

  Vevaiws, giati den exoun ti douleia na kanoune ama gyrisoun sthn Ellada. Ama
spoudasei o allos , Fysikos ypsilwn energeiwn, pou akrivws tha paei sthn Ellada
na doulepsei ?
   Egw pantws thn exw vrei th lysh : Tha parw treis psarovarkes sthn arhi,
kai tha paw sthn Kerkyra gia parallel/Distributed fishing sto Ionio.

> 2. To susthma didaskalias sth mesh ekpaideush einai entelws aparxaiwmeno,
 anti-
> paideutiko kai genikws aparadekto giati apokleiei thn ethelontikh summetoxh
 tou
> mathhth. Kai as mh poume tipote gia thn kserh apomnhmoneush katebatwn pou den
> prosferei apolutws tipote sthn pneumatikh anaptuksh tou mathhth. Eseis oloi
> pou apo thn prwth dhmotikou mexri thn trith lukeiou mathainate to mathhma
> "neraki", twra ti thumaste;

  -Dh dei Xrimatwn, kai aney toutwn ouden esti genesthai twn deontwn ( Lysias )
  -Dareioy kai Parysatidos gignontai paides dyo. Newteros men Xerxis,
   presvyteros de Artaxerxis.
  -Stou spitou mas tnn aylh
   gavou gavou to skyli ,
   dwstou kai gaygizei.

 ( mporei dhl. na mas piran ta geramata, alla olo kai kati thymomaste )

> upotithetai oti mas mathainane Ellhnikh Istoria. Egw meta to Lukeio ematha oti
> ontws oi Slaboi ton 6 kai 7 aiwna meta Xriston eixan nikhsei tous Buzantinous
> (oi opoioi, by the way, mono Ellhnes den htane) kai eixan ftasei mexri thn
> Peloponhso. Edw speudw na sumplhrwsw oti kata th gnwmh mou H MAKEDONIA EINAI

    Periergo pragma... Egw mecri to trito etos sto panepisthmio, thymomouna
pote vasilepse o Lewn o Isavros, h o Kwnstantinos o Pwgwnatos, alla twra
ayta mono o Kouvatsos ta thymatai ( ypoklinomai ).

> ELLHNIKH KAI TA SKOPIA DEN EXOUN KANENA DIKAIWMA NA DHMIOURGOUN TETOIES
> ISTORIESEIS BAROS MAS. Oxi tipote allo, alla mporei na bgei kaneis thn epomenh

  H Makedonia einai Soyrdikh, kai prwtevousa ths einai h Kozani.

> 7. Oi mathhtes kalountai na epileksoun thn kateuthhnsh pou tha akolouthhsoun
> sthn hlikia twn 16 etwn. Oi perissoteroi 16xronoi den einai arketa wrimoi kai
> katastalagmenoi wste na exoun apofasisei ti akribws theloun na ginoun.

   Ti na kanoume... egw ithela na ginw astronaytis, alla den ypirhe tetoia
sholi, kai etsi egina f(th)ysikos.

> 8. To panepisthmiako mpaxalo: Se polles sxoles oi kathhghtes oute kan patane
> gia tis partadoseis--profanws to exoun dedomeno oti oute oi foithtes tha pa-
> thsoun afou apousies den mpainoun outws h allws. Opoios endiaferetai, as
> rwthsei foithtes twn TEI tou Aigalew.

   Sth Fysikomathimatikh, sto Irakelio htan ligo diaforetika ta pragmata.
Syggnwmi dhladh, alla meta thn paradosh, pairname kai kana kathigith mazi mas
na pame sth marina gia frappe'.

> 9. H ktiriakh upodomh enos megalou merous tou Ellhnikou Panepisthmiou einai
> aneparkestath. Perase kaneis kammia bolta mprosta apo to ktirio ths Nomikhs
> Athhnwn teleutaia; Sthn Patra, uparxoun amfitheatra xwris sanides sto patwma,

   Sto Panepisthmio Kriths, pire to ayti mou, pws vazoun Fiber-Optic lines
se kathe grafeio. Ftwxeia katarameni.

> 10. Ta ergasthria sta perisotera panepisthmia einai elleiph.

   Nai. Giayto kai emeis ftiahname Laser kai ta poulagame sto U. of Ioannina,
giati den eihane aytoi..

> 11. Yparxei swreia "aiwniwn foithwn" (eidika Palaistiniwn sthn Patra apo oti
> lene ta paidia ekei)poukostizoun sto Dhmosio kai sthn tseph tou forologoumenou
> mia periousia, einaintroph gia to Panepisthmio kai kratane theseis tis opoies
> tha mporousan na katallaboun alloi foithtes.

  Nai, enw edw oi foithtes kostizoun mia perousia kai mish sthn tsepi twn
goniwn tous mono, kai etsi to fainomeno den mas afora.

   Kai dyo paradeigmatakia, gia na kleisw to posting, se shesh me thn
gymnasiakh, kai panepisthmiakh morfwsh ton aytoxthwnwn ithagenwn :
( oti einai se parenthesh, htan oi dikes mou skepseis ) :

   Vriskomai se ena mpar, sthn periohi twn proasteiwn tis Neas Yorkis, kai
synomilw eyharista me mia eygenestath despoinida. Se kapoia fash mou leei:

-You got some accent... where are you from originally ?
-From Greece..
-Oh, how Nice! I got a friend from India!!
-(????!!!!!)


  Twra me ta gegonota sth Yugoslavia, rwthsa mia filh mou, pou teleiwse
English literature :
-What does the word 'Macedonia' reminds you of ?
-A name of an old Black woman.
-(??????) But... what about Alexander the Great ?
-oh, He was Greek. The bible says so.
-(Mnisthiti mou kyrie otan eltheis en th vasileia sou... )



> Auta.
> Filika,
> Aleka
>
 ayta pros to parwn... ante, polla egrapsa..
  Filika,
  Kostas "Ofis"............. "Jebati, ili ne jebati kurcu vrijeme prolazi."
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