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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: Tatami (Re: milk and ...) (English)
Date: 22 Jul 92 01:34:02 GMT
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markd@csl.sj.nec.com (Mark Dyer) writes:

>In article <1992Jul21.020519.29899@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp> kuno@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp (Yasushi Kuno) writes:

>   > One might have thought so, but whatever they were after was *inside*
>   > my PCs!

>      ... that's a mistery ... why do ants prefer your PCs?

>I had an experience with ants once that might be related. I noticed a
>trail of ants that lead behind a night stand in my bedroom. Expecting to
>find where the pesky little buggars were getting into my house, I pulled
>the night stand out from the wall. The night stand had a phone on it
>that required a transformer plug. The transformer plug was plugged into
>the wall behind the night stand and stayed nice and warm. The ants had
>appearantly decided it was the perfect place to make a nest. The whole
>colony was back there. Eggs, workers, soldiers, probably a queen
>somewhere. It was really bizarre.

>Maybe your ants were just looking for a nice warm place to hang out.

Hmmm, sources are getting mixed up here. Those were *my* ants! (but
you can have them if you want :-)

Good idea, but it happened most in summertime when it's hot enough
to fry an egg almost anyplace...

Dave

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From: mtachiba@rkna50.riken.go.jp (Masahiko Tachibana)
Subject: There's-only-one-Truth-ism? (Re: complement/compliment)
Followup-To: fj.misc
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How do you do, la..uhh, gentlemen!  It's my first post to this NG.

In article <2125@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

 [many lines omitted]

>I think this comes from two reasons. First off, it is pretty much a
>given in Japanese culture that there is one, and only one, correct
>way to do everything: thus there must be one, and only one correct
>English.  Second,      [omission]

>Dave
	You get the point.
	May I understand that your former opinion as follows?  Japanese
tends to have mentality that he/she believes or lets him/herself believe 
there's only one truth.  Too much simplification?
	Anyway, I think it explains well the behavior of modern Japanese.
One might find the same way of thinking and training of Zen-buddists.  
The tendency was expanded after Meiji reconstruction.  Centralized 
school education began and the teachers told their pupils "You are 
born to be a slave of the Emperor".  After world war II, the Emperor 
was replaced to money or a life surrounded by plenty of goods.  
	Simplification again.  Of course we have complex minds.  But why
we pursue one correct answer or solution after all?  And how can we avoid
that?  That's what I'm interested in.  	  
	For instance, the lower house passed the PKO related law. 
LDP and some opinion leaders insist that it has no problem against 
the Constitution because it works at the request from UN when a
war or conflict is over.  Some are against it because UN is not
always correct, but their voices don't seem to persuade the majorities.
	Ah, I fell into a hole of pesimistic thoughts.  
	Seriously, many countries all over the world is just in 
the identity crisis.  Where shall we go, and how?  I think we have
much to discuss.  
	I don't know this NG is proper place for that, though :-). 

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From: shiyan@miho.seiko.snet.or.jp (shiyan)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: Chinese accent symbols (was Re: Tohnyu Soup (Chinese food))
Date: 30 Jul 92 05:08:54 GMT
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I'm a Chinese from Beijing. This is my first time to post.

In article <1992Jul29.141419.27749@rkna50.riken.go.jp>, mtachiba@rkna50.riken.go.jp (Masahiko Tachibana) writes:
>     I have encounterd the same expressions elsewhere.  And, in my knowledge
> there are four intonations in Chinese.  Is it like { - , \ , / , v } ?
> If it's wrong, please tell me.  
I think you are right, If '\' is for back slash.

>     And the main question is, which corresponds to which (1, 2, 3, 4)?
(1,-),(2,/),(3,v),(4,\) $@$G$9!#(J
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From: santos@mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp (Rafael &)
Newsgroups: fj.misc,fj.news.group
Subject: Re: Please goto correct Newsgroup (Re: Tongue-twisters)
Date: 23 Jul 92 02:15:23 GMT
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In-reply-to: jiro@math.keio.ac.jp's message of 22 Jul 92 02:51:45 GMT

In article <JIRO.92Jul22115143@amber.math.keio.ac.jp> jiro@math.keio.ac.jp (TANAKA Jiro) writes lots of things that sorry, I cannot understand:

TThis answer is based on the Sobject message "Please goto correct Newsgroup".
THIS IS NOT A FLAME (tm)  :) :) :)

What we are trying to do is really go to the correct Newsgroup...
fj.life.foreigner.or.something.like.that	

Since some people questioned that there is no interest in such a group,
some of we invaded fj.misc to post.

Rafael Santos : santos@mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp
There is no copyright on this article: if you want, you can copy,
use or quote it without asking me. 
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From: hironobu@sra.co.jp (Hironobu Suzuki)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: Chinese accent symbols (was Re: Tohnyu Soup (Chinese food))
Date: 31 Jul 92 08:59:59 GMT
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In article <LAO.92Jul30192326@seven.zoo.ncl.omron.co.jp> lao@zoo.ncl.omron.co.jp (LAO Shihong) writes:
 |
 |1 -->  -
 |2 -->  /
 |3 -->  v
 |4 -->  \
 |there is no . accent.
 |
 |----LAO Shihong

Mr. He Wei Jie told me that 5 means weak pronunciation($B7Z@<(B).

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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: Instant Foods (Re: Pre-Noodle...) [ENGLISH]
Date: 22 Jul 92 01:03:25 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

markd@csl.sj.nec.com (Mark Dyer) writes:

>In article <1992Jul21.015728.29744@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp> kuno@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp (Yasushi Kuno) writes:
>   markd@csl.sj.nec.com (Mark Dyer) writes:
>   > Maybe so, but I think TV dinners must be the original "instant food."
>   > Certainly cumbersome by today's standards of what is instant, but back
>   > when they were invented... (Don't TV Dinners date back to the '50s?)
>
>       I what is the "TV dinners?"  I once heard about such stuff
>   somewhere, but I'm not sure.  Does it mean a plate which you can
>   put into an oven as a whole?  Isn't it a kind of frozen foods?

>TV dinners are, as you have guessed, complete frozen meals. In the "old
>days" they came in an aluminium tray with different compartments for
>each item. Usually there was a main item (almost always a meat) a
>vegitable and a dessert. Now everyone has microwave ovens, so the trays
>are made of plastic or cardboard that you can use in a regular oven or a
>microwave. Some things come in a pouch that you can boil in water, or
>zap in your microwave.

Left out is why they are called *TV* dinners. As I remember it this
was because people ate them on "TV trays" which were metal trays
that sat on folding legs. People didn't like to leave the living
room and go into the dining room to eat (no family rooms then) so
they would set up the TV trays and eat TV dinners as they continued
to watch their favorite program. 

Dave

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From: claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss)
Subject: Re: Chinese accent symbols (was Re: Tohnyu Soup (Chinese food))
Organization: Matsushita Electric Works Ltd., Tokyo, Japan.
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CH> 1) No accent      
CH> 2) /  accent
CH> 3) \/ accent (like a check mark)
CH> 4) \  accent
CH> 5) .  accent

LAO> 1 -->  -
LAO> 2 -->  /
LAO> 3 -->  v
LAO> 4 -->  \
LAO> there is no . accent.

LAO> ----LAO Shihong


Lao$@@h@8!"(JNi hao ma?


I learned that fifth accent from my chinese relatives. (Hey. I'm not
chinese, but my wife has taiwanese parents.:-) ). I confirmed that
with a very close friend of mine in Taiwan, He said there's a fifth
accent, but it's only "informal" and used only to end setences. 

Could someone say if there are many different ways to represent accents in
Chinese? I'm not sure who is right, since I'm not a native speaker..:-)

Chinese HEN NAN... (my intention was to say: Very difficult...:-)

Zai-Jian!

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From: kitagawa@will.ntt.jp (Masahiro Kitagawa)
Newsgroups: fj.misc,fj.news.group
Subject: Re: Tongue-twisters: was Re: NG for gaijin topics. (English)
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From: claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: Chinese accent symbols (was Re: Tohnyu Soup (Chinese food))
Date: 30 Jul 92 03:08:38 GMT
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Masa>     I have encounterd the same expressions elsewhere.  And, in my knowledge
Masa> there are four intonations in Chinese.  Is it like { - , \ , / , v } ?
Masa> If it's wrong, please tell me.  

I learned the following rule (Please tell me whether I'm correct or not)


1) No accent
2) /  accent
3) \/ accent (like a check mark)
4) \  accent
5) .  accent


P.S.: I don't know what newsgroup would be suitable to crosspost,
could someone do it for me?
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From: kuno@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp (Yasushi Kuno)
Newsgroups: fj.misc,fj.sys.misc
Subject: A Q. on PC8801 Dip-Sw. (Re: Key touches) [ENGLISH]
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:33:31 GMT
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Organization: GSSM Otsuka, Univ. of TSUKUBA, Tokyo, Japan

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davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
> Somebody just me a gomi 8801 (talk about a different keyboard!). I'm
> fiddling around with some CP/M programs I picked up year ago.
> WordStar works OK, but there is something amiss.  I can send to
> another machine OK, but when something is sent to it, it echoes back
> a character hex 11 (XOFF). Maybe it's the dip switches but I don't
> have a manual so I don't know what sw1 1-10 and sw2 1-8 are for. 

> This is a question that might well be answered by somebody in
> another newsgroup but I don't know which. Any suggestions? 

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  You see the question?  However, can those kind of things be
changed by dip-switches (on PC8801)? Just borken? Sombody knows?

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						    Yasushi Kuno
From: kuno@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp (Yasushi Kuno)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: Please cross-post to fj.Topically.Correct.Newsgroups [English]
Date: 27 Jul 92 05:14:31 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: GSSM Otsuka, Univ. of TSUKUBA, Tokyo, Japan

Hi, ...

davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
> Perhaps, but will they reply? ATME (According To My Experience) more
> likely I will get mail telling me to post in Japanese, or mail telling
> me that anything I post in English will be disregarded.

   It's a pity that you have such kind of discouraging experiences,
but I think we should overcome them from now on.

> Since I don't want to make waves, I think I'll continue to just post
> in fj.misc and/or fj.news.group where there seems to be a convention
> of posting/replying in English.

    But fj.misc has not been such kind of group until very recently!
So why not start expanding this habit one by one?

> On the other hand, if you feel that various topics should be
> crossposted to other groups within fj, why not include the
> other newsgroups in a reply? Only an idea....

    Surely I'll do.  Please wait for a while...

							Yasushi Kuno
Newsgroups: fj.misc,fj.news.group
From: ogata@etl.go.jp (Ichiro Ogata)
Subject: Re: Objection [CFD/CFA fj.life.in-japan]
Organization: Electrotechnical Lab.
Distribution: fj
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 05:13:12 GMT

In article <TOZAKI.92Jul29122427@radish.math.keio.ac.jp>
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From: claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss)
Subject: Re: Objection [CFD/CFA fj.life.in-japan]
Organization: Matsushita Electric Works Ltd., Tokyo, Japan.
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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: fj.misc,fj.rec.food
Subject: Re: Hamburg[er]s (Re: Instant Foods) [ENGLISH]
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:22:03 GMT
Followup-To: fj.misc
Distribution: fj
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

kuno@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp (Yasushi Kuno) writes:

>    Differece of "mince" and "ground" set aside, difference of
>hamburgs in USA and Japan seems interesting.  I myself feel that
>Japanese style hamburgs (with onions and breads) taste better.
>Now I suddenly recognized that all hamburgs which we purchase
>at "hamburger shops" are of American style.  Surely, all we have
>there is a patty of meat sandwitched in a bread.  But I
>sometimes make hamburgers myself at home, it means that I make
>sandwitch from Japanese-style hamburgs.  I feel it very tasty.
>Why not some Japanse hamburger chain sell "Japanese-style"
>hamburgers?   How about MOS?  Note that most "hamburg steaks"
>we order at restaurants are of Japanese style!

Now that you mention it, yes, "hamburg steaks" are Japanese style
with bread and onions, etc. I don't eat them very often so I
never gave it much thought.

>P.S. How do you visitors in Japan feel about humberger shops
>     in Japan?  Are they similar to those in USA?  I understand
>     that SIZE or DIAMETER :-) of hamburgs differ, but any others?

The only hamburger shop I eat at is MacDonald's and as far as I
remember they are the same as I've eaten in the U.S. and other 
countries. But then MacDonald's prides itself on being able to
offer the same thing all over the world.

Dave

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