HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pierre@media.mit.edu (Pierre St. Hilaire)
Subject: Re: Absinthe
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:07:47 GMT

>
>Actually, absinthe's reputation is a bit overblown.  The turpenes which
>are supposed to be intoxicating are probably not in high enough 
>concentrations to have a pharmacological effect.  The real active
>component is just plain ol alcohol.  Now, back when it was hip in


	Wrong. I have tried absinthe and found it to have a strong
psychoactive effect very distinct from alcohol. It reminded me
somewhat of nitrous oxide. 

	There are liquors sold in North America under the name
"absinthe", but none of those are psychoactive. The only way to get
psychoactive absinthe legally is to buy it in Andorre, a tiny kingdom
in the mountains between France and Spain. There seems also to be a
black market for it in some European countries.


					Pierre St Hilaire 
					MIT Media Laboratory
From: MAB195@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: nutmeg experiences and info wanted
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:39:18 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

I was want of anyones nutmeg 'trips' experiences and any information concerning
the herb w.r.t hallucinations.  anything at all would be appreciated. thanks

mab195@psu m.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Nitrous Redux
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 06:32:20 GMT

In article <1b0ffpINNar6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23) writes:
>Talking to several friends in EMS (always nice to have for certain emergencies
>since they will keep things quiet...) if you were to inhale a full baloon of
>butane acting as if it were nitrous you run the risk of getting enough into
>your blood to reach fatal toxic levels.

Butane is a simple asphyxiant, and an explosive.  Apart from hypoxia,
one is hard pressed to imagine any direct acute toxicity (or for that
matter, any reason to bother with it.)

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: ibarrett@casper.cs.uct.ac.za (I G Barrett)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Destructive Drug Rehab programs
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:10:24 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town

In <61073@mimsy.umd.edu> tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes:

>zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Sameer Parekh) writes:
>>
>>and she can't take phone calls or visitors (maybe visits from relatives, but
>>no visits allowed from my friend her SO.) but letters are allowed.  I don't

>     I don't know about this specific program, but all the reports
>I've heard of programs that shut patients off from the outside world
>are _TERRIBLE._ I talked to a friend of my ex-girlfriend who'd been
...
>I'd get some friends and some guns and bust them out. This program was
>pure brainwashing, heavy on the fundamentalist Christianity.

My impression of these types of programs has always been that they are
meant to be a punishment.  You can see your relatives if you're good
sort of thing.  They don't sound very healthy to me (maybe as a last
resort?).  They can break the person if they are isolated from friends
etc. and that is probably the idea.  Turn them into nice conformist 
zombies!

I have seen families where the parents are a huge part of the problem,
but they will never admit it, so they blame drugs.  If their child dies
their hands are completely clean!

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Xref: sparky alt.drugs:17078 alt.society.civil-liberty:6283
From: jkreznar@ininx.UUCP (John E. Kreznar)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty
Subject: Re: [Republicans] On Civil Liberties and Drugs
Summary: Freedom of choice implies freedom to discriminate.
Keywords: New-Speak
Date: 15 Oct 92 06:32:06 GMT
Followup-To: alt.society.civil-liberty
Organization: Independence Industries, Los Angeles

In article <1992Oct8.204658.11871@newstand.syr.edu>, greeny@top.cis.syr.edu (J. S. Greenfield) writes:

> I guess you agree, then, that employers are entitled to require sexual favors
> in order to grant employment, that they should freely be able to discriminate
> on any basis, including race, color, creed, religion, etc., and that they
> should be able to use public whippings as a disciplinary measure (provided
> that their employess agree to this upon being hired--of course, they won't
> be hired if they don't agree...)

Freedom of choice implies that it is up to each individual to overcome
unwarranted prejudice in his selection of associates.  An attempt by
another to persuade him in this direction would be a peaceful, civil,
productive act.  An armed threat to against him, which is the purpose
of legislation, is not.

-- 
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         ---John E. Kreznar, jkreznar@ininx.com, uunet!ininx!jkreznar
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.politics.elections
From: jwh@citi.umich.edu (Jim Howe)
Subject: Re: [Republicans] On Civil Liberties and Drugs
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 09:55:30 EDT
Organization: IFS Project, University of Michigan
Reply-To: jwh@citi.umich.edu
Keywords: New-Speak

In article <1992Oct12.190054.29254@news.eng.convex.com>, gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner) writes:
|> In article <5d6-k9@engin.umich.edu> jwh@citi.umich.edu writes:
|> >>I guess you agree, then, that employers are entitled to require sexual favors
|> >>in order to grant employment, that they should freely be able to discriminate
|> >And just how many employees do you think would work for a company that
|> >did these sorts of things?  How long do you think the company would
|> >stay in business?  All the things you mention would have a severely
|> >negative impact on the costs of operation of the business.  The company
|> >wouldn't last long, unless they got protection from the government.
|>
|> 	You act as if these things weren't already going on, despite
|> 	government attempts to curtail them.  One can only imagine how bad
|> 	it would be if the practices mentioned were not currently 
|> 	proscribed.  I keep hearing this argument that says that because
|> 	descrimination and sexual harassment are bad for business that
|> 	they will wither away.  Clearly, not all that is bad for business
|> 	is eschewed by business.  One need only look at Detroit to see how
|> 	long companies can adhere to self-destructive policies.  The
|> 	behavior of American auto companies vis-a-vis the Japanese competition
|> 	was manifestly bad for business yet we all see how long it takes to
|> 	root out practices that are "bad for business".  All positions that
|> 	argue for a "pure" free market to solve all our problems forget the
|> 	impact of culture on business.  Not all business behavior is rational.
|> 	Clearly, culture contributes a great deal of hysteresis to the 
|> 	nice economic models used by the pure free market crowd.
|> 

I agree completely that not all business behavior is rational.  However,
without government support most businesses who behave irrationally will
fail.  The automakers make a perfect example.  They got the government 
to grant them special favors ('voluntary' import restrictions, etc.) and
as a result they faced less competition.  The free market won't eliminate
irrational behavior, but it will limit its scope and duration.


James W. Howe                  internet: jwh@citi.umich.edu
University of Michigan             uucp: uunet!mailrus!citi.umich.edu!jwh
Ann Arbor, MI   48103-4943
From: aphrael@cats.ucsc.edu (Robert D West)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Presidential debate Oct 24, 1992.
Date: 12 Oct 1992 03:37:01 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: us
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


It was more than a small surprise this afternoon when panelist/reporter
Sander Vanocur, a former ABC anchor and one of the men who interviewed
Kennedy and Nixon in their debate, posed his next-to-last question:

It was addressed to President Bush, and while I don't have the text
quoted, it ran along these lines: Bush, you have spoken a lot about
the war on drugs, and isn't their a possibility that we might
need to do something on a slightly different plane, that - as
Milton Friedman, among others, have urged - we need to do something
along the lines of legalization?

Bush, Perot, and Clinton all refused to accept that idea - Perot and
Clinton citing crack babies and Clinton talking about his brother
who went through a drug rehab. 

But doesn't the fact that such a question could get asked at all
in a nationally televised debate give the idea some credibility
and indicate that, however strong the WOD is, our side is having
some success?

Newsgroups: alt.drugs,misc.int-property
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: IBOGAINE: Newspaper story
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:51:38 GMT

In article <1301300190@igc.apc.org>, mmonningh@igc (Max Monningh) writes:
>"I don't like to take it," said Lotsof, who formed a small company that
>operates out of his Staten Island home, which has obtained the patents to use
>ibogaine in addiction treatment. 

Oh, seems Lotsof intends to make lotsof bucks and laugh all the way
back from the patent office.

Quick, someone go and get a patent for using (insert your favorite
hallucinogen here) in addiction treatment.

//Jyrki
From: ins199r@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Chipper)
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 04:38:17 GMT

I myself have been using N2O for a while now and have never had a real     
problem with over inflating my lungs/mouth/whatever.  The easiest way to do
it is to use a soda-siphon.  Instead of screwing in a CO2 bulb you use a
N2O bulb or 'whipped cream bulb', which are available at most supermarkets
(well they are in Melbourne anyway.  Handy huh?  :)  
The control on a siphon is easy to use (well mine is anyway. BTW siphons are
about $5-$15 at any second-hand store) and there is no real danger of 
hurting yourself.

Just my 2 bits worth.

Chipper


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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lamontg@carson.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: LSD recipies
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:43:11 GMT

u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
>>>You mean diethylamine. It is not watched, and is a common chemical
>>>used for a wide range of purposes.

I asked Shulgin about what the sticky points in the synthesis of LSD
were legal-wise, and according to him DEA is easy to get.

Would it follow that most of the amines...  methylamine, ethylamine, 
diethylamine, etc are commonly used and easy to get?

-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "'Tis an ill wind that blows no minds."
                                      -- Principia Discordia
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.atheism,talk.politics.drugs
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: We'll all burn in hell!
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 05:02:31 GMT


 I've been waiting for this for so long. (And I'm not even Catholic...) ;-)

St. Anthony

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: tkirby@nyx.cs.du.edu (Thomas Kirby)
Subject: Re: Destructive Drug Rehab programs
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 03:43:13 GMT


     I feel there can be only one reason to bar visitors and open mail,
and that is to conceal some form of wrongdoing.  I don't know if the
program an aquaintance of mine was related, but it was a rip-off.
 
     In no other area of medicine is anyone required to submit to such
humiliating treatment.  


Xref: sparky alt.drugs:16940 talk.politics.drugs:6715
From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Clinton: "I am adamantly opposed to legalization of drugs!"
Date: 12 Oct 92 07:42:32 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) writes:


>It's a "hold your nose" situation, admittedly, but I think that there
>is a definite difference in how much the two major candidates stink.

There's a difference alright.  Clinton will bring us the same Drug War on
the Constitution that Bush has, only with a different spin.  On top of that
will be a terrible anti-business climate and repressive taxes.  He's
*telling* us this now.  

As much as I'll have to hold my nose and disinfect my voting finger afterward,
I gotta pull the lever for Bush.  I tried to run a business during the term
of the last Southern White Trash.  I have not forgotten the double digit
inflation and the 25% interest I was having to pay on whatever money I could
find.  God help us with another one.

John
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: [anonymous] SASAFRASS OIL REVEALED
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: anonymous
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 14:49:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.231023.25358@u.washington.edu> ap.5810@cupid.sai.co
 writes:
>
>True sasafrass oil is very hard to find.  Most of the time, the
>safrole has been distilled out, and you get what's left.  This is
>a fact- I spent a week trying to track some down last year.
>
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 Ah yes, but sassafras trees grow EVERYWHERE (well at least in Southern
Indiana). It wouldn't be difficult to steam distill the oil from the bark.
As I think I've mentioned, the whole bark contains an average of 4% oil
and that oil contains about 70-80% safrole. I was wondering if it would be
possible to separate it by fractional crystallisation...

St. Anthony

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: [anonymous] Re: Nitrous Oxide
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
    <1av9r4INN2u6@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:42:23 GMT

In article <1av9r4INN2u6@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, burchell@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Jeff Burchell) writes:
>
>In <1992Oct6.094130.2233@u.washington.edu> ap.5288@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous) writes:
>>A while ago, someone said you could use Micronox fuel from Radio Shack.
>>I just happen to have a couple of cylinders... it says on the back
>>"must not be used as an inhalant".  I was wondering if this is because
>>it isn't pure nitrous, or is it just to cover their ass?  Also, how
>>many balloons does one of these cartridges fill?  Thanks.
>
>Ummm, to the best of my knowledge, the contents of a Micronox cartridge is
>absolutely _NOT_ Nitrous, but Butane (or an isomer of butane)  which 
>definately should not be used as an inhalant.  Period.  Go buy a Bic if thats
>your thing, but there are much much better ways of getting off.

You're confused.  The butane is in the "butane" cartrige.  Some oxidizer  (I
always assumed it was O2, but it could be N2O) is in the "Micronox"
cartrige.  When these are mixed, they burn quite well.  What [anonymous] is
considering is inhaling not the butane but the other stuff.

And don't buy a Bic.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.politics.elections
From: jwh@citi.umich.edu (Jim Howe)
Subject: Re: [Republicans] On Civil Liberties and Drugs
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 16:18:24 EDT
Organization: IFS Project, University of Michigan
Reply-To: jwh@citi.umich.edu
Keywords: New-Speak

In article <1992Oct13.162438.18326@newstand.syr.edu>, greeny@top.cis.syr.edu (J. S. Greenfield) writes:
|> 
|> At best, your argument suggests that things would be no different
|> in the absence of anti-discrimination laws--since economic coercion is
|> presumably a very powerful force that would also cause bigotted business
|> men to go "underground" (as your argument goes).
|> 
|> But aren't you at all struck that your argument as to which situation
|> is worse does not correspond at all with history?  I mean, do you
|> think that illegal KKK activities (lynchings, etc.) were more or less
|> prevalent before or after the civil rights movement?
|> 

Ignoring for the moment that many of the activities of the KKK (lynchings,
etc.) were illegal even without civil rights laws, I believe you would
find that interest in hate groups has increased in recent years and
can reasonably be attributed to the growth in government mandated
favoritism toward various groups.  This experience mirrors that of
other countries who have implemented similar policies (See Thomas Sowell's
book "Preferential Policies: An International Perspective")


James W. Howe                  internet: jwh@citi.umich.edu
University of Michigan             uucp: uunet!mailrus!citi.umich.edu!jwh
Ann Arbor, MI   48103-4943
From: caedmon@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Axeman)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: [anonymous] price of lsd
Date: 9 Oct 1992 20:48:48 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
Distribution: scruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu
Keywords: anonymous


In <1992Oct9.080030.25289@u.washington.edu> ap.5288@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous) writes:


>So, just out of curiosity,

>	how much is the price of Lewis D where you live,
>	I have heard that in adelaide , australia where ilive,
>	it is around 5

I "have heard" it's $1.66 a hit here in santa cruz, california. :)

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bagg@ellis.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Subject: Re: Heroin
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 07:01:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.120409.13417@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> bjbernstein@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
>  A friend of mine this past summer was interested in doing heroin.. Seeing 
>how half the sources out there are cencored or propaganda by the 
>government, what is the real story?

It won't do much harmful to you if you try it, although I can't
recommend it as it is illegal and can derail your life if it becomes
a priority.  The most important thing to remember is "never inject."
Injecting is bad news for many reasons (HIV and hepatitis risk,
increased addictive potential, adulterants in heroin which you
don't want in you, to name a few).  So, for your own health and
safety, smoke it if you're going to try it.

There are many good books on heroin and anyone with two brain cells
to rub together can distinguish such books from propaganda.  So
a library trip is definitely in order.  Look for more sociologically
oriented literature rather than things like "Dear Abbey's Big Book of
Scare Stories."

>Thanks..
>


    --Matt
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: machman@milton.u.washington.edu (The Machman)
Subject: Re: The Presidential Debates: Rationality Loses Bigtime
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:41:47 GMT

What the hell was that?

BTW, is this from the Grant Denn who went to New Mexico Tech, 
majored in physics?  If so, hey, how's it going?

						-- dave


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From: spmorgan@teaching.cs.adelaide.edu.au (Stephen Morgan)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: MJ in bloodstream
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:28:07 GMT

Roughly how long does marijuana stay in the bloodstream?
ie How long is it traceable for after the last use?

(replies via email if possible)

Stephen Morgan

"It's 106 miles to Chicago.  We've got a full tank of gas,
 half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing
 sunglasses...Hit it!"
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ap.5848@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous)
Subject: [anonymous] MDMA Sched 1?
Originator: lamontg@hardy.u.washington.edu
Keywords: anonymous
Reply-To: ap.5848@cupid.sai.com
Organization: Somewhere
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:44:19 GMT


1988, whereupon it was removed from Sched 1 by a court decision.

What's the history from then on? It's Schedule 1 now, right?

Yah.

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