HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Hulk
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:56:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov9.195619.3767
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <69160@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>In regards to Delphi's vision of the Hulk's mental state, laughing with blood
>on his hands...why,it was right there in Hulk #400, page 46, panel 1.  I'm
>surprised no one has commented on it.

	But Peter.....we're FAR too smart to comment on the obvious.


-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.xbooks
From: rickard@anasazi.com (Ronald J. Rickard Jr)
Subject: Re: I'VE SEEN THE FUTURE.....
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Arizona USA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:32:08 GMT

In article <BxCv4u.CrL@cda.mrs.umn.edu> dardiswa@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Wayne A. Dardis 1500099) writes:
>Uplink, you're either a complete idiot or a prick.  I have yet to see
>you post anything even remotely positive.  I've come to the conclusion
>that you thrive on conflict (so i feel bad about giving you what you
>want).  You need a new hobby.  Also as a side note, please do not
>try to include yourself with the majority of comic readers on the
>net, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.  Oh and flame me all you want,
>you're meeting mr. killfile.
>-Psycho

While I usually don't get involved in this sort of discussion, I too would
like to say that I thought "uplink's" comments were just rude.  To the 
original poster of that material, all I can say is I hope you don't let
this discourage you from posting more such material in the future.  I for
one appreciate the advanced info. that fellow netters have been able to
provide.

I just don't understand how someone can judge a book, albeit a comic book,
until they have seen or read it.  

					Ron
From: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Supes:  strong != boring
Date: 13 Nov 1992 22:19:55 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


kiemschies@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu () says:

>about it. The impression I get is that if/when they do bring back Superman
>they won't put any limit on his power. I believe he is, and will be powerfull
>enough to face ANY chalange (except maybe Doomsday) INCLUDING Daxamites, while
>not being so strong as to make the story too boring. 
                                             ^^^^^^^^
Who says being too strong is boring?  So
 you're saying the following ISN'T boring?

Issue A:  Superman vs Big Bad Guy.  Whew, he won.
Issue B:  Superman vs Big Robot.  Whew, he won.
Issue C:  Superman vs Big Monster.  Whew, he won.
etc...

They should make Superman SUPERMAN again.
 No one could challenge him in a fight, so
 the stories would have to be about other
 things, like character + storytelling.

And then it wouldn't sell, and they'd have
 to change it back.  But *I* would buy it.
-- 
Francis A. Uy			Program Director, WUMD
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: LSH : is Pearson leaving, has he already left?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:10:49 GMT

Aside from those mentioned, Pearson also did some positively BEAUTIFUL work for
Hero Alliance just before the title went on 'hiatus'.  My first exposure to his
work was a two page pinup of Demon from Justice Machine in the last issue of 
their run (#7, B&W).
     Dave Van Domelen, notes that the shop I get my pulls from stopped charging
for them soon after I plunked down my $5....
From: jwlr@monet.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: D'Arc Tangent info wanted
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:27:28 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

roper@chinet.chi.il.us (Bill Roper) writes:

>D'arc Tangent had exactly one issue due to a major falling out between
>Phil and Freff.  Unfortunately, although Phil had been playing with
>the concept for years before working with Freff, the contracts he
>signed have resulted in the characters being tied up ever since.

Too bad.

I thought that issue was *wonderful*!!!!

				James Willer
[any opinions above are already registered with the federal government]
From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Hellblazer TPB (not GN)
Date: 6 Nov 92 04:25:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.BxA1MG.9rG
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1dbqp4INNidf@pollux.usc.edu> akhale@pollux.usc.edu (Abhijit Khale) writes:
>
>>From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
>
>>Heck, I'm willing to do a list of John Constantine's Living Friends right
>>now:
>>
>>-Chas
>>-Kit
>>There, that was easy, wunnit? :-)
>>And, oh yeah... Merc.
>
>
>How about his sister and niece ? And Zatanna ? I think they would count as
>friends/close relatives. 

I'll allow Zatanna, 'cause I forgot about her, but I didn't count his sister
and niece (soon to be a Hellblazer-wannabee!), in that it was a listing of
his friends, not relatives. And it was more funny to list just Chas and Kit.
IMO.

Whatever...

-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - Cthulhu and Elvis, together again! Ahh..
"Message for TJ Teru." --Roger Robot // What was the question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
dhenry@plains.nodak.edu * ud137927@ndsuvm1.bitnet * ud137927@vm1.nodak.edu
From: jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan M Lennox)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Rob Liefield: the Early Years
Date: 8 Nov 92 02:45:49 GMT
Reply-To: jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan M Lennox)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Nov8.013702.24495@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ast2r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Andrew Symons Troth) writes:
>In article <1992Nov7.001522.14352@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>>What is Rob 501's first comic work?
>>
>I can't guarantee what his first work was, but I do know that Liefeld
>drew the Hawk & Dove mini from 1988 and the secret origin of Nightshade
>in Secret Origins #28 (with *awful* Bob Lewis inks). I remember actually
>*liking* his artwork back then....*sigh*.

  The text page in the first or second issue of the Hawk and Dove mini
(which I re-read recently to remind myself of what Liefeld was once
capable) mentioned that Liefeld drew one of the D.C. "Bonus Books," 8
(or so) page inserts in several D.C. comics in '87-'88 giving new
writers and artists tryout space.  Unfortunately, they didn't mention
which one it was, and I don't have any of those comics handy.  Anyone
with a collection from that period care to check their back issues?

  It might, thinking about it, have been the one in Flash, introducing
the new Little Boy Blue and the Blue Boys (!)--I'm not sure, but the
art style on that seems (according my very vague memories) to be
somewhat similar to the style Liefeld used on Hawk & Dove.

  Anyone?

Jonathan Lennox
jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
From: jag20439@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Stiletto)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Chinese Bones
Date: 12 Nov 92 02:57:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxL1JE.1ro
Distribution: rec.arts.comics.misc
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Hi everyone--

     I have a question which has nothing to do with X-men, Sandman, or
any of the other big-time comics.  Have any of you read "The Crow",
a short 5 issue mini-series by J. O'Barr?  Anyway, I heard he's comming
out with a new series through some distributor (smaller than DC or Marvel)
and the series is to be called "Chinese Bones" or something like that.
As comics go, I thought the artwork and psychoticism were incredible in
"Crow" and really REALLY want to find out about his new series.  Does
anybody have the faintest idea?  It was supposed to come out in October,
but probably didn't (as most comics tend to).

        Thanks much,
           Josh.
jag20439@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Elfquest: Hidden Years #4 (Spoilers)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 03:28:32 GMT

>Some three years seem to have past since the end of KotBW.

Actually, this is uncertain.  At the beginning of the issue, we are told 
that it's been six years (since Rayek lost control of the palace).  Near
the end, we learn from the same source (Ember) that it's been six years
(subjective) since she left the village, which puts it at three years
since the end of KotBW.  The art allows either interpretation, even if we
assume that Elven children mature at the same rate as Humans.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   It was mentioned on CNN that the new prime number discovered
   recently is four times bigger then the previous record.
				-- John Blasik
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.destroy.the.earth
From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: The Death of the Earth (was Re: LSH: Evacuating the Earth)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 05:40:31 GMT

arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee):
>Um, that wasn't the question.  I didn't ask why Death does show up now, 
>but why Death doesn't show up other times.

Because Death doesn't appear here as a character, but simply as a symbol.
If they'd shown the Grim Reaper, you wouldn't have asked why they don't
show him at other demises, would you?

Ken, you're breaking down an unlocked door:  If you're disenchanted with
the current run of LSH and ready to find flaws, you're going to.  That's
inevitable, given that the basic premises of this title require us to
accept seven impossible things before breakfast.  I think that destroying
the Earth in this way was an oink-headed idea, but given that they did it,
they did a reasonable job of it.  And given that any level of evacuation
is as improbable as any other, I see no reason not to pick the one that
they felt made for the best story.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   'T is with our judgements as our watches, none
   Go alike, yet each believes his own
		--Alexander Pope
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: X-Men: The MovieOkay, since there's been plenty of talk about the new X-Men animated
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 03:03:25 GMT


Please  move this thread over to rec.arts.comics.xbooks.

No, I haven't seen any XTAS threads over here.
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpm.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: Sandman #44 Lavender's Blue
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 18:49:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.051139.9920@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>If ya wanna hear a really good modern cover of Lavender, try Marillion.  It's 
>on several of their albums, and I'd recommend La Gazza Ladra as it also has 
>several other 'hit' Marillion songs.

Naaah, check out the original on Misplaced Childhood, a truly excellent
album. Everything they released after that was just fluff...(everything
released *before* that, on the other hand, is utterly godlike...)

Mike (being completely irrelevant to comics, and also *very* intrigued by
the suggestion of alt.music.marillion...)
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Rob Liefield: the Early Years
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:08:45 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <BxFxGt.BB9@matilda.vut.edu.au> jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell) writes:
>A question. On the cover of NM #99 he has Liefeld AfterByrne.
>Where is the original cover from?

Ooh!  Ooh!  Obscure Trivia Lad knows!  It's the cover to Uncanny
X-Men #138.  That's the issue after Phoenix dies.  Basically,
the issue is Jean Grey's funeral, with Cyclops remembering the
history of the X-Men until that point (or, at least, the parts
of the history relevant to his and Jean's relationship).  The
issue ends with Cyclops deciding to leave the X-Men (and Kitty
Pryde joining).  Anyway, the cover had the X-Men in the background
(like the New Mutants on NM #99), and Cyclops walking away in
the foreground (like Sunspot on NM #99).  Of course, as a backdrop
for the cover of UX-Men #138, there were various covers from old
X-Men issues, whereas Robbie decided to not put in any background
at all.  Not very surprising, is it?

*Sigh*  Now you've done it.  You've made me remember the old
Claremont/Byrne days of the X-Men.  Now I'm going to be depressed
all day.

-- 
Brian Perler			bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu
Obscure Trivia Lad of the Legion of Net.Heroes
"I wanna decide who lives and who dies"
	-Crow T. Robot, "Santa Claus Conquers the Martians," MST3K
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From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thanatos)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: I'VE SEEN THE FUTURE.....
Date: 7 Nov 92 18:49:33 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In article <uplink.721126721@cwis> uplink@cwis.unomaha.edu (John M. Scheibeler) writes:
>kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER) writes:
>>HELLSTROM, THE PRINCE OF LIES:  Can you say Marvel does Hellblazer?  The
>>description is that Damian will discover that he's been lied to about lot's of
>>things.  We'll discover his true place in Hell's Hierarchy. (I was under the
>>Impression that  Marvel's Hell didn't have a hierarchy, Just Mephisto. Go figure
>	Can you say lawsuit?
Why?  Who's going to sue?  Dante Alleghieri?  His was not the first vision of
a Hierarchical Hell, but mostly acknowledged to be the best of the first
(taking a lot of his ideas from Virgil's Aeneid).  Moore stole from Dante, 
Gaiman stole from Moore, and so on.  There's nothing particulrly sue-able here.
Further, Marvel ALWAYS had some form of a hierarchy, as any longtime reader
of Doctor Strange can tell you.  Mephisto just seemed to care most about 
Earth's Superhero population, but there are much, much more than that.  Terror
Inc. goes into some depth, as well as the Rise of the Midnight Sun titles.
The main problem is that Marvel's demonic hierarchy lacked cohesive _structure._
Who could order around whom?  Who had more power?  Less power?  Perhaps we'll
finally get answers.  If you're suing on grounds that it will be a ripoff of
Hellblazer, well, you've got no grounds there.  Hellstrom is an established
character in the Marvel Universe, and this idea was a long way in coming.
Anyway, just look at the Sleepwalker/Sandman rip off, and you realize there's
no real conflict whatsoever.
	As a personal note:  Uplink, do you like ANY comics?  Just curious...

-- 
I don't mind being the smartest	    / Thanatos, DeathUrge, Master of Unknown
man in the world...I just wish it   \ Time and Space tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
wasn't this one...	       	    / It's a Zen thing... 
	-Ozymandias 		    \	 you wouldn't understand...  
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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: Sandman: More Pointless Ramblings
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 17:59:02 GMT

arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:

>Unless you want to maintain that the Fall happened at one specific date that
>some cultures have calculated wrong, this idea causes multiple-culture problems.
>Different religions date the Fall back to different times, which means that
>there was a time when Delight was Delight for some cultures and Delirium for
>others.

>Worse yet, these cultures all developed the Fall myth long after the supposed
>date of the Fall.  This would mean that Delight changes to Delirium based on a
>mythology that doesn't exist until sometime in the future, which raises
>questions like whether or not the Endless act now based on 25th century myths
>about the 20th Century.  (Alternatively, developing the Fall myth changes the
>past by retroactively affecting Delight's role, which is not much better.)
>--

>Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
>     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)

This made me start thinking.  Mythology regarding the Fall aside, is it not
possible that the Fall did happen when the world was young, and us seeing
Adam and Eve and God as the players involved is just becasue people had a
residual memory of it, and carried it over.  Remember in the 
Parliment of Rooks, Cain tells Abel something to the effect of "Children?
They weren't remotely human then, neither were we." 

Why does the Garden have to have to have been on Earth?  Why do "Adam" and 
"Eve" have to have been the first humans?  COuldn't they have been the first 
sentient life in the universe, instead of the first human's on earth (same 
relationship, just a wider reference.)  Ditto the fall of the Morningstar,
and Satan being in Hell.


Or, perhaps the only reason Del changed into teh Del we know is because she 
began to grow up, and no longer a child, she couldn't remain Delight.  What
if there was no outside catalyst, just her own growth as time passed, as life
in the universe also began to grow up.  The Endless are because the Universe 
is, and they change as the living change.  In that case, WE might be the
catalyst.  Our ancestors ancestors, and all of us who followed in the
universe.


just food for thought.

LJC
-- 
Lady Johanna Constantine | "When you remove the pin, Mr Hand
tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu    |  Grenade is no longer your friend"
Founder of the Church of Our Lady of the Perpetually Clueless
Disclaimer: The U of I doesn't give a damn or blast WHAT I do
From: pcxsws@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (S.Ward-Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: new HELLBLAZER reader...needs background...
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:53:15 GMT
Organization: Cripps Computing Centre, University of Nottingham

In article <BxFJt0.1H2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
>jordan@castor (USENET's Chuck) writes:
>
>>Brilliant choice.  I have to put myself forward as THE biggest Hellblazer
>>fan on the net, and so of course most qualified for the task at hand...
>>(insert multiple smileys here for the irony impaired)
>
>:) :) :) :)
>
 Interesting summary deleted to save band width.

>>	The books I know of that JC has appeared in are: Hellblazer, Swamp
>>Thing, The Books of Magic, the Sandman, and Doom Patrol (a single issue
>>parody-type story.)
>
>He was in a panel (wearing very little I might add) of the SECRET ORIGINS
>issue with Zatanna and Zatara's origins, and I don not know the numbers for
>these, but there is mention of a cameo appearence in the framing sequence
>of a Batman villians SECRET ORIGINS issue written by Neil Gaiman.
>
He was also in an issue of Green Arrow a couple of years back.
Ollie came to Nottingham/Sherwood forest, one female character was
apparently a witch, and John turned up in a pub, acting like a local in
the slaughtered lamb from American Werewolf in London.
You know, the "There is evil in the woods" kind of dialogue.
It was an insulting appearance.
>
Expect crossovers with the new Tim Hunter ongoing series starting in 93.

>>Hellblazer is a great comic and it'd be worth your trouble to get all of the
>>issues (they're still pretty cheap), because they all contribute to making
>>John Constantine one of the most three-dimensional characters in comics.  If
>>not that, you can start with issue 41, which is when new writer Garth Ennis
>>took over.  The quality of the stories has been a little inconsistent, but
>>I much prefer Ennis' work to the first 40 issues, especially his interpretation
>>of John Constantine's character.  (Plus, he's a Pogues fan, so he's got to
>>have good taste!)
>
>
>I too like Mr. Ennis's John, though I fear I may be in the minority on this
>issue.  I also love Neil Gaiman's take on him in BoM II.

I am an Ennis fan too. The last few issues have been excellent.
>
>>USENET's Chuck
>
>>-- 
>>                  Chuck Jordan | jordan@castor.cs.uga.edu
>>         "Is that gravy?  I thought the dog had gotten sick ..."
>>	           -- Mystery Science Theater 3000
>
>
>
>bye
>
>LJC
>-- 
>Lady Johanna Constantine | "When you remove the pin, Mr Hand
>tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu    |  Grenade is no longer your friend"
>Founder of the Church of Our Lady of the Perpetually Clueless
>Disclaimer: The U of I doesn't give a damn or blast WHAT I do

Slainte,
Steve

"A castaway under a turncoat moon"
From: petrick@dms.agames.com (Jim Petrick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman #44 (spoilers)
Date: 10 Nov 92 03:57:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: dms.1992Nov10.035726.24704
Organization: Atari Games Corporation

In article <Bx6B6t.Low@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
>Of course, I am still waiting to hear the final fate of Lady Johanna.  So
>we saw a grave.  SInce when does that mean anything?  We never even found out
>what she got from Dream after Orpheus rescue in Thermidor.  Maybe she asked
>to stay in the Dreaming after death?  Maybe she asked to stay in the dreaming
>so as to avoid death (if her luck is anythign like John's, seeing as he is
>currently between a rock ad a hard place as far as Heaven and Hell are concernedI can see where staying in the Dreaming might be a very viable choice)
>and not havign thought of Thess, I had my moeny on Johanna for Dream's
>most current lover.  I am now rethinking Thess.

I always thought that Constantine was one of those continually reborn types,
who are reincarnated over and over forever.  Books of Magic has one at the
end of time.  The Swamp Thing storyline where he went into the past had some
earlier Constantines (I think :-( ).  Hellblazer had LJC.  There was a 
reference somewhere to "Konstan-tin" or something similar in ancient Egypt.
If this is so, fact that there is a current Constantine implies that she's 
dead (although her soul is in the current John Constantine).

I'd be suprised if Thess was the current lover, given their attitudes to 
each other in the Cuckoo storyline (what was that one called?).  I seem to
recall he being rather short with her, and she more frightened than anything.

	-- jim

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