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From: cc007001@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: WVU, and Big East Coaches  was Re: BE Pick 'em Contest: FINAL TALLY
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:48:12 EST
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Distribution: usa
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <j.d.singleton-190193085700@b648mac6.larc.nasa.gov>, j.d.singleton@larc.nasa.gov (Jeff Singleton) writes:
>     Sorry, I forgot to insert the smiley at the end.  I think we will
>   probably do about the same next year, or maybe just a bit better.  I
>   haven't gotten any reports on next year's team yet but I think Kelchner
>   will be around for one more year.  That should at least provide us
>   with a stable QB situation.  Seemingly more so than most teams, WV
>   lives and dies by it's QB.  Under Nehlen, the team actually seems
>   to perform better when they have marginal talent, but have a decent
>   QB.  It forces Nehlen to open up the offense more (as in his first
>   few years at WV when we had Ollie Luck and Jeff Hostetler but no 
>   one else on Offense.)  Defense is generally pretty good, but the
>   secondary has been known to be weak.  By the way Nehlen arrived at
>   WV for the 1980 season (as I did).  I don't think he is in danger of
>   losing his job unless WVU changes Presidents.  He is arguably the best
>   coach WV has had  - Bowden was still learning the ropes when he was
>   there - and in fact Bowden's long term success is likely a reason that
>   WV will keep Nehlen.  In other words, he's a good coach and we don't 
>   want to make a Bowden-type mistake again by letting him go.
> 

I agree with most of what Jeff says.  Nehlen's offense tends to be the
old big-10 grind it out style that puts the team in a lot of 3rd-and-long
situations.  Thus having a quarterback who can succeed in those situations
makes the team go.  Kelchner though needs to prove that he can perform in
those situations before I'll say we will have a good year.

Things will have to deteriorate pretty badly before Nehlen will get fired.
In my days of watching WVU football, both Jim Carlen and Bobby Bowden left
for better deals.  (In the past, state law allowed only 1-year contracts
from the state-supported Univ.  This has been gotten around by a separate
foundation guaranteeing the contract over a number of years.  This was
started with Nehlen.)  Frank Cignetti was semi-forced out of the head
coaching position right before Nehlen came after 3 or 4 poor years (best
records were around 5-6, worst around 2-9) and ill health.  Bowden, though,
was not let go.  He went.

Doug Saunders
WVU Fan since 1963!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Njan)
Subject: Re: Watson Brown to Oklahoma
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:35:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.194032.13912@Arco.COM> mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM (Mike Minihan) writes:
>
>He is Mack Brown's (Coach at North Carolina) brother. Mack was the
>offensive coordinator at OU when they won their Nat'l Championship
>in 1985. Mack Brown also was the guy who recruited Troy Aikman to
						    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Oklahoma. Watson has been under Jackie Sherrell at Miss. St. for the
^^^^^^^^^

I thought Aikman went to UCLA.

>Mike Minihan      mminihan@arco.com

Njan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: call for schedules (CU)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:57:25 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

In article 727986210@spot.Colorado.EDU, wilbanks@spot.Colorado.EDU (Stimpson J. Cat) writes:
>sw39+@andrew.cmu.edu (Susan R. Wagner) writes:
>
>>Colorado's schedule for 1993 is as follows:
>
>>Sept. 4  Texas
>>Sept. 11 Baylor (tentative Homecoming date)
>>Sept. 18 @ Stanford
>>Sept. 25 Miami
>>Oct. 2   bye
>>Oct. 9   @ Oklahoma State
>>Oct. 16  @ Iowa State
>>Oct. 23  Nebraska
>>Oct. 30  Kansas
>>Nov. 6   @ Oklahoma
>>Nov. 13  @ Kansas State
>>Nov. 20  Missouri
>
>All I can say is....
>If we go 4-0 out of the conference, and we're ranked lower than #5, I'm 
>going to do major surgery on all the Eastern writers to get their heads out 
>of their asses. 
>
>You "CU doesn't play anybody" whiners may shut up now. While we're struggling
>with Miami, who's your team playing? OOOOOOOOOH, Utah State is SUUUUUUUCH an
>ENORMOUS national football POWERHOUSE!!!!
>
>(I apologize for my above behavior, but, hey, we're playing a schedule that
>even 'Bama might have trouble with...even Miami! Who would win a Miami-Miami
						  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>confrontation?)
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hmmm.  Well, we Noles could certainly wish they'd both lose. ;-)  Looks like
Colorado does have a pretty decent schedule.  'Course the 'Noles have dropped
their one out-of-conference patsy (Tulane) in favor of Notre Dame, so their
schedule is rather tough too.  As for Miami, why is it that Florida State is
the only one "dumb" (??) enough to play them every year?  Keep it up Bobby;
if FSU ever does win an MNC, it has to be at Miami's expense to really be
sweet!

>
>>Susan Wagner
>>CU Buff fan in Pittsburgh PA hoping to return to Colorado or the west
>>coast as soon as possible!                                              
>>                    
>-- 
>Dylan Wilbanks, Classics major, AND NOW Environmental Conservation!
>Currently at:	 |"George Bush is Out of Time. Bill Clinton and Al Gore
>Box 1143	 |are Automatic for the People."
>Boulder, CO 80306|		-VP Al Gore, 10-29-1992
From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Alabama/Miami
Date: 27 Jan 93 12:43:05 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles

In article <c1.2@english.as.ua.edu>, c1@english.as.ua.edu wrote:

> that FSU's non-ACC games are Florida, Notre Dame and Miami, but does Miami 
> play anyone besides FSU?  This isn't supposed to be snide but an genuine 
> question.

FAMU and Hawaii (instead of SDSU, I think). Notre Dame won't play 'em,
and the SEC won't play 'em, they already have a match with the ACC.

Seems like Miami can't get "anyone" to play them.

James
From: pl05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PATRICIA L. LEBBING)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: MIAMI (everyone loves to hate) SCHEDULE
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:23:44 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Looking for Miami's schedule for next year.  I would appreciate receiving it.
Thanks.
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From: scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn)
Subject: Big Eight beats SEC on ice!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:27:33 GMT

     If you were watching SportsCenter last night you heard the news: r.s.f.c's
Big Eight reporter Scott Davis upset r.s.f.c. veteran Mark Mitchell of the SEC 
in the national figure skating championships. I think we should all 
congratulate Scott on his success. I have to admit that I had always thought 
that Manhattan, *New York* was the country's hotbed of figure skating 
excellence. Well, I guess I'm allowed some mistakes. :-)
     (BTW, I'm not kidding about the names. Scott Davis really did beat Mark 
Mitchell. Strange coincidence, isn't it?)

                                        Steve
|
-- 
    Steve Casburn (scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)
     "It is a far, far better thing that I do than I have ever done.
      It is a far, far better rest that I go to than I have ever known."
                          --Sydney Carton, "Tale of Two Cities"
From: ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: You make the call
Date: 27 Jan 1993 17:44:12 -0600
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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SCHMIDT@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jon Schmidt) writes:
   So now, let's consider one last scenario with the situation the same as
   described by TJFAN above.  This time USC runs for a touchdown as time
   expires but a SoCal receiver is flagged for clipping at the ND 25
   yardline.  ND accepts the clipping penalty, thereby negating USC's
   touchdown.  What's the call?  The game-cannot-end-on-a-defensive-penalty
   "rule" seems to imply that the game CAN end on an offensive penalty.  If
   so, the game ends at that point and ND is the winner.  However, Approved
   Ruling 3-2-3-V, above, suggests that USC would have the ball at ND's 40
   and with one more chance to win the game.

Are you suggesting that the offensive team could indefinitely prolong a game by
committing consecutive fouls (say offensive holding)?  If that's true, a team
should have it's QB look for an "advantageous" hail-mary situation first.  Then
if the QB decides he can't make the throw, a offensive lineman would tackle a
defensive lineman, and the QB would throw the ball away.  Then the offense
would get another try at a hail-mary.
-- 
Timothy Tsai ---------- Celtics Rule!!!
ttsai@uiuc.edu -------- Let's go Mets!!!
"Objectivity is the claim of liars and fools."
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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Re: call for schedules (TAMU)
Keywords: SWC, Big 8
Organization: Martin Marietta Western Internal Systems, Technical Operations
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:15:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.143152.1701@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu> conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) writes:
>In article <1993Jan18.212819.12918@den.mmc.com> kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers) writes:
>>I think A&M should have scheduled the extra week to prepare for the
>>Sooners, if possible, not their first SWC patsy.  (They don't play Texas
>>till Thanksgiving, right?)
>
>Careful who you're calling "patsy", bud.  Many times, the first SWC game
>for A&M is against Texas Tech.  This past season, it took a field goal with
>3 seconds left in the game to pull out the victory.  This year the game 
>will be in beautimous Lubbock, America, which will be a very tough place
>for A&M to win (hope that's not a woof).

I'd say that says as much about A&M as it does about TT :-)

>p.s.  I saw that buffalo checking lift tickets at Winter Park last weekend.

Wha?  I missed it.
-- 
Kevin Rodgers				kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
Martin Marietta MS A16401		(303) 790-3971
116 Inverness Dr. East
Englewood CO 80112 USA			GO BUFFS!
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From: sterbenc@ivhs.mot.com (Joe Sterbenc)
Subject: Re: You make the call
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:35:19 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college

In article <1993Jan21.214529.24596@watson.ibm.com>, TJFAN@watson.ibm.com
wrote:
> 
>  Pass complete, the receiver broke off all the tackles and heading to the end
>  zone. All the ND defenders are at least 10 yards away and it looks like a for
>  sure winning TD, time runs out.
>  
>  With no hope to stop this run, one of the ND players from the sideline rushes
>  into the field (illegally of course) and tackles down the USC receiver before
>  he reaches the endzone. What's the call?

The call is touchdown USC. This is the "palpably unfair play" rule most
famous from the Rice-Alabama Cotton Bowl. If anyone who should not be on
the field of play tackles a sure touchdown, the touchdown is awarded. I
don't know what would be called if a bench player got a sack, though :).
   
>  Similar situation, suppose there is one ND defender tracing the runner. While 
>  there is no hope to tackle the runner, he face-masks him and bring him down.
>  What's the call? I believe that this won't be a USC win, probably 15-yard
>  beyond the foul and one more play? In that case, I think the ND defender 
>  makes right decision.

This would indeed be a 5 or 15 yard tackon and USC would get an untimed
play.
  
>  Answers only please. No flame or gimmick!!
 
You're a stupid kneebiter.
Try the new Popeil Pocket Fisherman!

Sorry; couldn't help myself.... 

=====
Joe Sterbenc - Intelligent Vehicle Highway Systems - Motorola
All opinions are my own, but can be rented for reasonable rates
sterbenc@ivhs.mot.com
=====
From: hpb@hpb.cis.pitt.edu (Harry Bloomberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Roon Powlus Watch
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:32:37 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1993Jan28.131711.11980@wl.com> wyborsr@wl.com (Russ Wyborski) writes:
>Being an ND alum I think that he would be nuts to choose Pitt over ND. Look
>at Alex Van Pelt. He threw for about 3 zillion yards in his career but I don't 
>think that the team won more than 5 games a year while he was there. And in the
>games against ND he got plastered pretty well.  I realize that I am biased, and
>it is difficult know what goes into an 18-year olds decision process, but I
>would think he would be better off at ND than Pitt. Hell, he would be better
>off at Miami than Pitt (and you know how it hurts me to say that!!). We'll
find out Saturday.
>
   The problem with a hot-shot QB attending schools like ND or Miami is
that competition for a starting position is much fiercer than at a
program like Pitt.  In fact, there's been numberous ND and Miami backup
QB's who have transferred to other schools just to get to play.
Kelchner at WVU is an example of this.  I think he transferred from ND
when he saw that he would never get a chance to play.  I'm sure that
others on the net can provide other examples.

   So the choice becomes, join a top-ranked program and potentially sit on
the bench for 4-5 years, or go to a hungry school like Pitt and have a
better chance to play.

   To correct the record, Pitt was 8-3-1 Van Pelt's freshman year, and
6-5 his junior year.

Harry Bloomberg
hpb@vms.cis.pitt.edu
From: martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Bo Schembechler
Date: 22 Jan 1993 19:44:35 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
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I am a senior in Comp Sci. at Michigan and I needed one more credit with
my current schedule to graduate, so I took a Coaching Football class!
Yes, I know, I know, but I'm a senior and I needed a blow-off! Lord
knows my other classes are a hell of a lot harder! Anyway, I was waiting
outside the classroom in Schembechler Hall, when all of the sudden,
Bo comes walking out from the class room. He saw about ten students standing
there, and he goes "What are you waiting out here for?"
Me, half stunned, "We're waiting for our class....."
Bo, "What class?"
All of us, "Coaching Football!!!!!"
Apparently, Bo was coming from some type of meeting, but he promised
that he was going to teach one of the classes this semester.
Kind of made my day.....

BTW, today's lecture was on NCAA rules and regulations. You wouldn't
believe how think the books are!!!! I learned quite a bit.....

					marty

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From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: License plates (was Re: Protest over FSU Mascot)
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 17:16:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.143335.27301@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu>,
conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) wrote:

> On a side note, Texas has had the availability for people to buy a 
> personalized-type plate with their alma matter's symbol on it for a
> couple of years now.  They cost about $30 more than the normal plate,
> but that $30 goes to the school's general scholarship fund.  It's a pretty
> cool way to raise some money for the schools, IMHO.  I think I'll get
> one with a Double T on it after I buy my new Lexus to give the car a 
> little bit of class :)

Well, you better hurry up and buy one, as you guys (and the tsips,
for that matter) are *way* behind the Aggies (something like
$200,000 to the scholarship fund).

James - but they don't sell 'em in Florida
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: FSU's Guest list gets longer [?]
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:37:55 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

In article 260193080638@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu, aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie) writes:
>Source: Florida Flambeau, 26 Jan 1993, Page 1
>
>Guest list for bowl bash gets longer (Mark Nessmith and Scott Danahy)
>
>FSU administrators took heavy criticism last year for footing the bill
>for 270 guests to attend the Cotton Bowl, but information obtained 
>Monday from the FSU athletict department suggests this year's bowl bash
>was even bigger.
>
>According to lists of athletic deparment and administration guests, 331
>people where selected to attend the Federal Express Orange Bowl football
>game and festivities with at least some of the coasts being covered by 
>the school.
>
>According to Susan Fell, FSU President Dale Lick's executive assistant,
>hotel rooms where provided to guests as well as a $21 allowance per day.
>The rooms cost $95 per day plus 13 percent tax. Guests where also given
>$35 game tickets.
>
>[end quote]
>.....................
>
>Everyone from/associated with FSU who paid their own way should be pissed.
>Especially since some of the invited included: the student body president,
>the faculty senate president, the president of the Tallahassee Community
>College, the president of the Florida senate, a Leon County commissioner,
>FSU's general counsel, the FSU chief of police, the Tallahasee Democrat's
>sports editor, and 10 people related to people working for the athletic
>department.
>
>Last year's price tag was $700,000. Let's see how high they go this
>year. This would be almost funny, if the university wheren't hurting
>for money.

How in the heck did they spend $700,000 on 270 people?  Based on the costs 
you listed for this year, it would seem difficult. I mean, that works out to 
$2592 per person. Maybe they paid for travel costs to Dallas too?    Seems like
much more than enough to get the person out there, feed him, house him, and
give him a game ticket.  Did they stay there for a week?

D. Head

>
>James




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From: conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt)
Subject: New SWC Commissioner named
Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:12:46 GMT


According to the Austin American-Statesman, which is a close cousin
of the Dallas Morning Enquirer, a new commissioner for the Southwest
Conference will be named.  He is Orange Bowl executive director
Steve Hatchell.  There is speculation as to when he will take over
for Fred Jacoby, whose contract is over in June (or he's retiring or
something like that).  The article lists some personal data, but
the interesting thing is the further speculation about a Big 8/SWC
alliance.  Hatchell is a CU alumnus and was their S.I.D. for several
years.  This, of course, means that there will be an immediate
alliance between the 2 conferences, that every team in every conference
will never lose another game, and that the teams will take turns 
This is truly a momentus day.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: You make the call
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:12:38 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Distribution: usa
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In article <1993Jan21.232853.10866@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn) writes:
>The game, the half, or the quarter cannot end on a defensive penalty.
>Technically, I think the answer would be that USC would get one additional play
>after a 15 yd. markoff (or, a half-the distance markoff) in either scenario.
>If there is another penalty against the defense on the ensuing play, they would
>get another chance.
>
Patrick is right n this one, so the facemasking gives the O one more shot.
>
>I have never heard of a situation such as you have described in a football 
>game;  if this really has happened before, I would love to hear the details.
>
I know it has happened before.  I think at least once in college and
profootball.  I don't recall the teams or the date, but one of them
is on film.  Networks show it once and a while in their pregame hype.
A TD is awarded in those cases.
--
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From: richter@cs.utexas.edu (Charles Richter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: These Threads are Boring
Date: 27 Jan 1993 19:22:39 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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> * Buses, trains and taxis:  Does Duke have them?  Will North Carolinians
>   use them?

No, and no.  At least not in comparison to Bahsten.

> * Where was Charlie Richter for the past eight months?

He's in hiding.  Or he's testing iced teas.  Or maybe he couldn't
bring himself to woof for Alabama, Miami, or Texas A&M and got bored.

> * Should the All-Pac-10 team have 10, 20 or 55 members?

How big is the Stanford band?

> * Animated Organs: Dick Vitale vs SDDD.

Dick Vitale?  This is the football group.  Maybe Lee Corso.
-- 
Charlie Richter   Objective System Solutions   Austin, Texas
                  richter@cs.utexas.edu
"The panic ... was not due to anything fundamentally weak in either business
   or finance.  It was confined to the market itself."   - WSJ, Oct. 31, 1929
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: These Threads are Boring
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:43:40 GMT

rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera) writes:
>
>Pre-sweeted tea, dammit!
>Coke, not soda.
>Boiled Peanuts.
>hold the grits.

New threads, and suggestions for threads:

* Buses, trains and taxis:  Does Duke have them?  Will North Carolinians
  use them?
* Where was Charlie Richter for the past eight months?
* Should the All-Pac-10 team have 10, 20 or 55 members?
* Animated Organs: Dick Vitale vs SDDD.


--Gidi