HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kannan@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Kannan Subramanian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: General Body Meeting of the M.S.
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:33:23 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523


Just one more on this thread before the net.cops arrive. 

Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy) writes:

>More misinformation. At the cost of hundreds of dollars to the
>net I have to set this right. My backyard, such as it is, is
>as Sridhar, V announced elsewhere "hundreds of miles" from Durham, 
>NC (250 mi. or so due North.) There was a cat-loving sister or 
>maybe two, who claimed to have passed  near my abode near the Alamo 
>at a time when filial duties kept me busy. So careless. At least, 
>Icarus is busy with his sorry excuses. What gives?


Well, ok. I've been off SCI for long stretches this summer and have
probably missed far too many of Sridhar's informative posts. 

At any rate, so you're in Washington DC ?  I may well have passed 
within that stone's throw from your real (corrected) backyard, this 
time on July the 5th, all depending on the stone and the throw of course,
not forgetting the backyard.  

Several "near misses" on that trip. Do they sell "bajjis" at this Mall? 
Pramath put the idea in my head that if you meet a fellow net.denizen, 
then somehow, the meeting isn't complete if that plate of bajjis isn't 
polished off. Have run into only two net.people though. 

Rao bought me orange juice at ASU and we talked about Louisville, Sunil
Arya and Ajay Palvayantheeswaran. Which brings us to the punchline of our 
cover story (to beat all previous pickup lines), "I _have_ eaten bajjis with 
Palvayantheeswaran!"

>Rest assured that proximity (stone's throw from The Mall :)
>was how the email put it) of the fairer member of the Chacko
>clan (note clan does not imply siblinghood) notwithstanding, 
>when it comes to conferences my ignorance is total.  It may have
>been in rourkela for all I know. Poison ivy only strikes the 
>second time around. Did you visit Minnesota recently?

Never mind the conference. Poison ivy _was_ mild. 

So Icarus did not bite. :-(

kannan

ps - never been to minnesota. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Subject: Re: Men like Gandhi and J.P : Era of Herosim : 
Keywords: Gandhi , Freedom Struggle
Reply-To: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:14:23 GMT


Amar clearly broached this topic to `mess around'.  Anyway...


In article <1992Aug25.182436.17535@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mrv@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (madhukar.r.vadyala) writes:
>>What bugs me is the total glorification and deification of individuals  and
>>organisations without giving due credit to the other forces at work.
>>Amar Ananthapadmanabha
>
>As a matter of fact, Adolf Hitler and his world wars too are indirectly
>responsible/have enhanced the prospects of freedom for India.  This

I doubt the effect of WW II oin enhancing India's Freedom .  I remember
hearing ABOUT various rumours that floated during WW II, that germany guaranteed
british peace (i.e., there would be no battle of britain) and french freedom
if INDIA was handed over to Germany & Japan.

>Coming back to Gandhi, it is hisorically always true that  only a few
>get the credit.  Here exposure and publicity are the keywords.  I donot 

There is no question about the fact that Gandhiji SINGLE-HANDEDLY
helped congress become an all-india force, in the sense that
people did not look elsewhere for their quest for freedom.
If Gandhi never existed, then we would have had a hazaar netaji
bose, and a hazaar bhagat singhs, and a dozen lokamanya tilaks...
All `leading' the people to freedom `in their own `way'...
Gandhiji 's congress was a umbrealla organization to
begin with.  soon, it transmformed into a gigantic monolith.

>know what would have been the course of history if gandhi was not there,
>but he is an exceptional person.  He had the guts to stand against 
>Britishers.  His idea of self reliance and non violence make more
>sense now than ever.  Gandhi and Nehru together made some
>blunders  too.
>
>I wish Subash and sardar patel and others like them lived longer.
>
>V. M. Reddy



As for Lokneta JP Narayan, I have little knowledge of
his pre-independence struggle for a better india...


Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)

P.S. give way to the in-house historians of SCI, who are
	I suppose dusting books in the library...
From: gopal@rwja.umdnj.edu (Srihari Gopal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Grandmother needs company to Bombay/Coimbatore
Summary: Grandmother company Bombay
Keywords: Company
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:24:54 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, Piscataway NJ

Attention all people who are travelling to Bombay or Coimbatore within the
next couple of months.

My grandmother speaks only Tamil and Telegu and needs company from New York
City area to Bombay or Coimbatore in the next few months.

Please let me know if anyone can help out! Thanks
Srihari Gopal
gopal@rwja.umdnj.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: trivedi@yukawa.uchicago.edu (Anil Trivedi)
Subject: Re: Reply To Arindam: General Matters
Organization: Enrico Fermi Institute, University of Chicago
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:40:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.150819.6872@menudo.uh.edu> mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU writes:

>at> GENERAL NOTE: Covenant-Breakers are those who accept the authority of 
>at> Bahaullah, but not that of the later leadership of the Bahai faith.
>at> If you truly believe *only* in Bahaullah, you are as good as expelled
>at> from the community. [Even limited analogies help. It is a little bit
>at> like the Vatican's approach towards Christ: you didn't get very far
>at> with the Popes by believeing in Christ alone.]

 > [Covenant-Breakers] are given all the dialogue in the world. 

A LITTLE LESS VERBAL SOPHISTRY, PLEASE! 

That dialog is to give them the opportunity to accept the mainstream 
position and recant their own. But do they remain accepted members of 
the community if they *continue* to disagree with the mainstream after 
the dialog has run its course?

Forget the terminology. Tell us:
(1) How well-accepted is someone who does not believe in *some* of the
teachings of Bahaullah? 
(2) How well-accepted is someone who accepts the authority of Bahaullah,
but not of the later leaders or the present institutions?

 > They are termed Covenant-breakers only when they start trying to 
 > force their interpretation on others and create a schism. 

What do you mean by "force" here: at the knife- or gun-point?
Don't you simply mean "advocate"? Why not let them?

Surely, a religion with ambition and promise to unify all mankind
should begin by setting standards on how to accept dissent and
minority views. Wouldn't you think?

 > As an individual he can continue to hold whatever belief he holds.

Consider a Bahai person within a larger Christian, or Hindu, or Muslim
community. Someone like yourself or Mark Towfiq. Now Bahais won't consider
it very fair if that community told that person just to "hold whatever
belief you hold" as an individual. They want him to be able to advocate
his beliefs to others as well.

Why should Bahais not extend *EXACTLY* the same priviledge to *THEIR*
minorities as well?

Please look inwards, please face the truth, please try not to be slick
and smooth with words, and please do purify yourself before you lecture
to others. I am sure that Bahaullah would have agreed with that advice.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: misra@vijay.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Vijay Kumar Misra x4018)
Subject: Re: ***** KHALISTANI JOKE *****
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:43:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.085209.8070@cc.uow.edu.au>, g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh) writes:
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BTW you can replace sardar by sindhi bihari bhaiya madrasi etc ... and have
fun. Please no more khalistani jokes. It hurts some people.

Vijay
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: acube@eecg.toronto.edu (Aditya Aggarwal)
Subject: Papers invited for IEEE conference on Networking
Organization: University of Toronto
Distribution: na
Date: 23 Aug 92 19:44:13 GMT





	                      CONFERENCE
				
				 ON

                         COMPUTER NETWORKING
                    


			 Dates Dec. 10&11 1992

			  

			      Venue

                            Gajjar Hall
			    Law Garden
			     Ahmedabad
			       India

				BY
                       IEEE  COMPUTER SOCIETY
			     GUJARAT




Last Dates
   

   For receipts of Abstracts Sept. 15th.
   Intimation of Acceptance  Sept. 30th.
   Receipt of Full Paper     Oct.  30th.


   e-mail No  for further information ieee@iimahd.ernet.in

   Fax No.    91 272 05381
From: ravi@cup.portal.com (Ravi - Kumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: F1 visa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 13:34:41 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

My brother went through a similar situation from Madras consulate recently.
Appreciate any responses in this regard.

Thankyou,
Ravi Kumar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Subject: Re: Interested in a sexy desi girl
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:53:47 GMT

Nimmi cries out furiously:

>Can someone tell us as to which part of India do people
>have this last name? I am trying to get an idea of this
>species/character(apology to others with this last name).

Andhra Pradesh. anyway i am straight and am looking only for females.

sorry.

Suresh  :)
From: sphanda@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (surinder.phanda)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Air India had good service
Summary: Air India and Good Service
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:46:10 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <RENJEN.92Aug17112812@puffin.nimbus.com>, renjen@nimbus.com (Sanjeev Renjen) writes:
> I have flown Air India numerous times on the Pacific route ie Tokyo to Bombay and 
> was very happy with the service. I am an Indian too. Sometimes we Indians
> just expect too much out of Air India. Have you ever seen the service on 
> the american carriers on the Pacific route? It is bad.
> 
> Sanjeev

As fee-paying customers, I don't think it's ever "too much" to expect 
anything in terms of service from an airline such as Air India or any 
other major institution (eg, bank, restuarant etc).If anything, Indians 
(particularly in India) don't demand a very high level of service, as a 
result they normally have to be satisfied with they get rather than what 
they would like or want. In a recent survey, by a consumer magazine, 
Air India was listed last for service, with BA in front and Virgin Atlantic
4th. 

Surinder Phanda
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:30111 soc.culture.tamil:1857 alt.culture.kerala:218
From: misra@enterprise.ksu.ksu.edu (Boo!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: EMAIL ADDRESS OF PANTNAGAR UNIVERSITY WANTED
Date: 2 Sep 1992 12:38:47 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: enterprise.ksu.ksu.edu

trivedi@curie.uchicago.edu (Anil Trivedi) writes:

>This was inappropriate. Pantnagar is in U.P.; while a case can
>be made that the question belonged in soc.culture.indian,
>posting it to Tamil and Kerala specific groups made no sense.

	One could make that arguement only after assumeing that people
in those groups dont have an answer to the questions. I dont think that would
be a fair conclusion. If people are sooo uptight about what is posted on 
their groups then perhaps they should have it moderated. I dont see the point
in having groups unmoderated and shouting when someone posts something on it.

>-----

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: vysyaraju@evax11.eng.fsu.edu
Subject: looking for varanasi kiran...ramjee
Organization: Famu/Fsu College of Engineering
Date: 4 Sep 92 10:33:13 EST

dear kiran ,
iam here in tallahassee, florida. you can contact me at 904 222 5898.where
ever you are please come in contact with me. awating your reply.

ramjee.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.women
From: godura@mercury.cis.udel.edu (Ruchir Godura)
Subject: Re: looking for ways to meet opp sex
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 19:09:58 GMT

In article <POPAT.92Aug28120731@image.mit.edu> popat@image.mit.edu (Kris Popat) writes:
>
>> Mark, your input will not be appreciated here as long as it is critical,
>> or even honest.  For an outsider to be appreciated, you must write only
>> of the past glories of India, the spicy food, the colo(u)rful clothing,
>> and the exotic dance and music.  Glowing drivel about the Hindu spirituality
>> is also welcome.  Frank discussions about the culture however, are strictily
>> taboo, and will elicit the rage of all the "defend-India" zealots who are
>> too narrow-minded to see the options presented by other societies.
>> 
>> Ed Crick
>
>No, Ed, I've seen quite a bit of frank, honest criticism of things
>Indian in this newsgroup.  The reason you're not "appreciated" is not
>that you are an outsider, or that you discuss "options presented by
>other societies."  The reason is much simpler.  Your postings tend to
>be rude and inflammatory.  As a result, you've lost any credibility or
>good will you might have had, and, perhaps unfortunately, even if you
>now post soemthing reasonable it will probably not be well received.
>You've brought it on yourself, and should not expect anything
>different.
>
>Kris Popat
>MIT Rm E15-355  Cambridge, MA  02139

  I would like to add to that. I presume you're not an Indian. Now,
  basic courtesy demands that when you are discussing a people or
  culture that is not yours, you take extra pains to be polite. Americans
  do criticise drawbacks in their culture ( ?!! ), politics, etc., but
  would they like it if someone from India or some other nation started
  telling them what was wrong with America ? They wouldn't.

  From the tone of your comments you betray not only this disregard for
  basic civilised behaviour, you also display an apalling ignorance of
  India. One wonders as to the motivation behind your rabid statements
  on the net .. are you really so idle as to have no other work to do ?
  In every other posting you go about casting doubts on the intelligence
  of Indians. This really doesn't deserve comment, but makes me feel you
  have some grouse against Indians .. are you in danger of losing your
  funding ( if any ) to an Indian, or do they just make you feel stupid
  in class, and you enjoy the anonymity of the net to hit back ?

  The reason that the crap you write attracts so few retorts is that we
  ( read Indians on the net ) do have better things to do than argue
  with someone who has displayed his skewed sense of equanimity on the
  net. ( Read : Let barking dogs bark. 
		If you kick them they will only howl louder.
       )

  No regards,
  Ruchir.

  I consider this matter closed from my end.
From: shankar@vttcf.cc.vt.edu (S. Shankaranarayanan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Sonia's book on Rajiv
Keywords: Sonia Rajiv Book
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:28:23 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA

In article <1992Sep3.230550.5373@colorado.edu> manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu) writes:
>
>who cares?
>
>Njan
If you don't, doesn't mean nobody does, Sir.

Shankar.
From: rnk@cbnews.cb.att.com (ram.n.kumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Delhi Court Halts Bofors Probe!
Date: 4 Sep 92 12:40:45 GMT
Organization: AT&T

>>In article <17176@ulysses.att.com>, bala@ulysses.att.com (Bala Krishnamurthy)
>>>apnews reports:
>>>           NEW DELHI, India (AP) - The Delhi High Court today halted all
>>>investigations into alleged corruption in a $1.4 billion Swedish
>>>           Chief Justice G.C. Mittal and Justice Satpal also annulled a
>>>government request to Switzerland and Sweden, seeking their
>>

One swedish citizen (Mr. Chaddha?) who is suspected of illegally getting
kickbacks (Indian taxpayers' money you know), files a peition
in an Indian court.

What happens?

An Indian court, which is supposed to serve India and Indian taxpayers,
uses Indian constitution as the basis, to giv a swedish citizen a fresh
lease on dear life.

Folks,
That's India.
Celebrate. Cut a cake; Sing  a song. Do whatever you like.


Indian citizens abroad, you have a lot to cheer about.
Now that the Indian court has set such a nice example,
the western courts will follow this example and serve YOU
better (not just in terms of affirmative action and the like;
they may even protect you if gulp down their taxpayers' money!
(Disclaimer: Try at your own risk!!)).


Separatists, Punjbais, Kashmiris and everyone else, please listen to
the court's real message. This judgement
is one great reason why you should continue to be part of India
and not secede. After all, in India, where courts bend backwards to
protect a helpless swedish citizen, despite all the evidence to support
the theory of illegal transactions, you will have nothing to fear
about, as INDIAN citizens!!

OR, just for argument's sake is the message just the opposite?
If you do manage to secede and become "foreign" citizens, you'll
be better served (special VIP service) by Indian courts?

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My organization has nothing whatsoever to do with the above views.
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In case the petition that the Delhi High Court used to halt Bofors,
was not filed by a swedish citizen, my sincere apologies.
You see, this whole Bofors thing is a huge pond with muddied water,
as an average person, I am unable to remember all the details.
May be that is why more and more dirt stirred up every step of the
way. Who knows?
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:29888 alt.sex:28029 sci.med:16648 talk.politics.misc:42935 talk.religion.misc:15279
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,alt.sex,sci.med,talk.politics.misc,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Does masturbation reduce intelligence? (Was Re: Is it correct th
Keywords: puzzling questions
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:19:04 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <1992Aug26.160040.3456@tamsun.tamu.edu> peram@cs.tamu.edu (Suresh B Peram) writes:
>It is most important to feel that whatever you are doing
>is the right thing to do.  Feelings of guilt could be
>harmful to the mind and consequently to the body.  So, do
>whatever you want so long as you thing that you are doing
>the right thing and you would feel that you are on top of
>the world.  Same goes for masturbation.

My dear fellow, in the human species, guilt feelings seem to
be absent only in the psychopath.  Now I'm not saying that
masturbation is rightly the subject of guilt, but consider
what you are saying in the light of that information.  Surely
there is a good social purpose for guilt feelings and we'd
on balance be worse off if no one felt guilty for the bad
things they do.


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From: av2@ukc.ac.uk (A.Varshneya)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Sati is for our good!!
Date: 3 Sep 92 08:46:27 GMT
Reply-To: av2@ukc.ac.uk (A.Varshneya)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <754@iac.uunet.uu.net> iac!meha@uunet.uu.net writes:
>Hey, you have been hanging around too many men that you have not realized
>that women are the ONLY 'intelligent' ones, period!!!
>- Meha             

:-) Being a gentleman, I can only smile and nod. :-)

Atul

A man opened a door for a women.
"You don't have to do that because I am a lady.", the liberated women said.
"Right", the man replied, "I did it because I am a gentleman."
From: raj@utkvx3.utk.edu (S. KANAKA RAJ)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Life of Guru Nanak
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:44:00 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	I thought it would promote a better understanding among people who
follow different faiths if we know the lives of the spiritual saints of all
those faiths. After all each one of them realized and practiced only one
doctrine: that is knowing the Unknown. But we who are half-baked fight among
ourselves nullifying the effort of those giants. Let us take the noble ideas
from all corners, no matter who utters them and let us respect each other's
belief during the period that we have been allowed to stay on this earth and
in this cage of flesh.

	If there is enough interest, I will post the life of Shri Guru Nanak.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu,soc.culture.tamil
From: chandra@cannelloni.cis.ohio-state.edu (B Chandrasekaran)
Subject: Re: SAMSKRITHAM or SANSKRIT
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:26:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.161817.883@cis.ohio-state.edu> paranand@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (murahi paranandi) writes:
>
>Here are some more I have been irritated to my bone all my Door Darshan life.
>
>1.	ROOS		for Russia	oooooohh..
>2.	MISHR		for Egypt	Yukh!...
>3.	ADHAAAM		for Adam	eh...e

Does Dordarshan use the above terms in their English language
broadcasts or only in their Hindi ones?  If the latter, then there is
really no basis for complaint.  I was in Egypt recently, and found
that they refer to their country in Arabic as El Misr, so I don't see
what is wrong if Indian TV refers to Egypt by the name Egyptians use
to refer to their own country.  Similarly, I suspect that the Russians
refer to their land as Roos.  Adam is an englified word.  In Arabic,
Adam is Adham or something to that effect.  (Remember Abou Ben Adhem,
literally, Abu son of Adhem?).  I suspect that the Aramaic or Hebrew
pronunciation is closer to the Arabic one than to the English one.
Again I see nothing wrong in Indian TV in Hindi using a pronunciation
that is closer to the original.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Subject: Re: Tall Tales from Hell -- Icarus. [Possible cascade]
Reply-To: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:21:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.200325.8776@colorado.edu> paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Icarus) writes:
>>    [bulshit deleted]
>>  where do you get this bulshit from? this SCI is not your perantal property...
>
>2] Go rub your face in a used bidet stool,
>   get rid of that awful taste,
>   quench your burning thirst for liquid waste,
>   after that stay bottom-fused and sedate cool.
					    ^^^^

AH !!!!!!	I panicked a bit not having seen the magic
word in the first few lines of the famous 2].  I wondered if the
greenhouse effect had taken its toll on paul!

Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)

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