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From: syscrc@pickle.gsu.edu (Randy Carpenter)
Subject: HELP...problem with BSD Popper compile
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:12:15 GMT

We're trying to get BSD Popper working on SGI IRIX 4.0.1 and are getting
the following error.

  % make
        cc -O -DBIND43 -DHAVE_VSPRINTF -cckr -lbsd -c pop_dele.c
        cc -O -DBIND43 -DHAVE_VSPRINTF -cckr -lbsd -c pop_dropcopy.c
        cc -O -DBIND43 -DHAVE_VSPRINTF -cckr -lbsd -c pop_dropinfo.c
        cc -O -DBIND43 -DHAVE_VSPRINTF -cckr -lbsd -c pop_get_command.c
        cc -O -DBIND43 -DHAVE_VSPRINTF -cckr -lbsd -c pop_get_subcommand.c
        cc -O -DBIND43 -DHAVE_VSPRINTF -cckr -lbsd -c pop_init.c
        cc -O -DBIND43 -DHAVE_VSPRINTF -cckr -lbsd -c pop_last.c
        cc -O -DBIND43 -DHAVE_VSPRINTF -cckr -lbsd -c pop_list.c
  Fatal error in: /usr/lib/uopt  Signal 10 - core dumped
  *** Error code 10

Help!

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From: ti@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de (Matthias Kloas)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Problems with Smail & pipe
Date: 9 Nov 1992 14:44:04 GMT
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
NNTP-Posting-Host: buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de
Keywords: smail

Hi,

I have problems some problems with smail and i am looking for help.
I installed smail (3.1.28) on our Network (NeXTs running NS 2.1). Everything  
works fine except one alias:

BeNG: "|/usr/server/catmail -L BENG -f"

This alias should pipe the mail to catmail.
Unfortunaly smail comes up with an the following error message:

director aliases: matched BeNG, aliased to "| /usr/server/catmail -L BENG -f"
write_log:no valid recipients were found for this message
write_log:"| /usr/server/catmail -L BENG -f" ... failed: (ERR_104) director  
aliases: security violation

Obviously there is something wrong with my configuration, but I don't  
understand what.

Any help is appreciated.

Matthias

---

Matthias Kloas
ti@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de
Institut fuer Energietechnik
Technische Universitaet Berlin
From: les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: What features would _you_ like in a mailer?
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:38:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: chinet.BxJ38A.5Fv
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX

In article <pauln.720877298@nuustak> paul@tantrum.csir.co.za writes:
>
>We are planning to develop a new, all-singing, all-dancing mail system.
>This will run over a mixture of IP and Novell networks, interactive and
>batched dial-up links,  It will integrate DOS and Unix workstations, as
>well as Windoze and OS/2, etc.  It will have gateways to SMTP, MHS, fax
>and anything else that we can think of (maybe even X.400).

>We have had a few discussions internally about the features that we would
>like, and have come up with a whole lot.  However, if there is anyone who
>has a specially favourite mailer feature (apart from prescience), we would
>like to know about it, so that we can consider it.

(1) Ability to attach arbitrary files.  Complete MIME functionality
should not be required on all platforms - just a minimal subset of text
or binary where binary types are not expected to be understood by other types
of machines.  It should be possible to detach the components of a MIME
message to individual files without having specific knowledge of the
content type built into the mailer.  The typical need is for people with
similar machines and software to be able to share platform-specific data
with the mail system being used as a simple transport mechanism.

(2) "Forms" functionality where a message can be sent out with a
specific format where the answers are forced into designated postions
when someone replies.  This is useful for machine-parsing answers.

(3) A clean split between the user agent and transport layers such
that any method of moving files between machines can be used.  This
means a well-documented file-level representation.  Something like
BSMTP with MIME attachments would be easy to integrate with existing
platforms, but something that mapped to X.400 body parts might work
too.   

(4) Transport layers should work for individual or site use and should
run over straight dial-up lines as well as network links or SLIP.  That
is, a transport should exist that would move a single user's mailbox
from a hub site (perhaps a unix host) to his local machine (perhaps
a notebook PC) on the order of dial-up POP.  A variation should allow
retreiving multiple mailboxes on the same call (perhaps from a machine
on a small PC network), and of course another variation would be used
when acting as a remote host (i.e. where the addressing notation directs
the mail to a different machine). Obviously uucp should be a possibility
for this, but perhaps not the only one.  The transport should be simple enough
that a DOS TSR is possible for scheduled background calls.  
 
Les Mikesell
  les@chinet.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: Chris McNeil <cmcneil@mta.ca>
Subject: All-in-1 mail, POPMail
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A726A3D8FC010108@rush.mta.ca>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 11 Nov 92 16: 49:44 GMT
Organization: Mount Allison University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:47:20 GMT

I don't know if this is the right place for this question but if it is
not could someone please direct me to a better place to post it.

We are currently using popmail ( POPMail, Eudora, NUPOP as clients) on
our campus as our mail solution for PC's and like it very much. We are a
a DEC site and Dec is trying to get us to switch to all-in-1 mail. Can
anyone that has used the above comment on it.

 I like POP mail due to the fact that it is TCP based, enclosures are
fairly standard (ie lots of sites in the world can handle binhexed
enclosures), is free and is simple (ie no SMTP gateway as are required in
non TCP based mail systems).

Also can anyone tell me how to sign up tothe POP mail list. I know there
is one but I don't know where.

Thanks
Chris McNeil
Network Manager
Mount Allison University
Sackville NB Canada
cmcneil@mta.ca
From: mcmanus@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu (THE RED FOX)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Help with PMDF!
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:40:11 GMT
Reply-To: mcmanus@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu
Distribution: world,local
Organization: UofA Hardware And Computing Knowledge Society
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4

Grettings and Salutaions! Netters;

I am requesting help with the following problem:

I need to know how to take a WordPerfect document with
both text and graphics upload the ducoment to the vax
and mail it to another network in such a manner that the
reciever can down load the document from their vax into
their WordPerfect.

I am a student at the University of Arizona.
I know the University Vax cluster uses the
PMDF with the VAX/VMS mail utility. We use
procomm to transfer files.

Can someone help me with this problem?  The catch
is the file contains both text and graphics.
Your help would be of great assistance.

Thanks,

Tim McManus
mcmanus@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: marka@syd.dms.CSIRO.AU (Mark Andrews)
Subject: Re: Inter-Network Mail Guide
Organization: CSIRO Division of Mathematics and Statistics, Australia
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:46:36 GMT

In article <Bx9F6x.EK8@comp.vuw.ac.nz> Andy.Linton@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Linton) writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov5.024040.13063@kirk.bu.oz.au>, bambi@bu.oz.au (David J. Hughes) writes:
>|> C.V.Copas@lut.ac.uk writes:
>|> 
>|> >Well it doesn't SEEM to be a FAQ, so here goes. I wish to get mail to an
>|> >Australian machine
>|> >which I can verify is on the Internet by using <nslookup>. However, all my mail
>|> >vanishes into oblivion without any feedback to myself. Nor am I able to <ping>
>|> >the machine. Therefore, I have reasoned that I need to supply a routing node
>|> >specification, yes? Question: do any tools exist for determining that node? 
>|> 
>|> 
>|> You can use nslookup to find the MX relay host for your target.  Many
>|> hosts down here are in the DNS but don't actually connect to the net
>|> (ie. similar to usage of UUCP in the State etc.).
>|> 
>|> If you can't get it through the MX gateway, you can always drop the
>|> postmaster on that host a line to find out why.
>
>I mailed Conn about this and it transpires that he and I can telnet to port 25 on
>the machine but not ping it. There is no MX for the host concerned but there
>is an MX for dsto.gov.au which points to fang.dsto.gov.au first and then to
>yoyo.aarnet.edu.au
>
>e.g.
>
>$ telnet csd0.dsto.gov.au 25
>Trying 131.185.10.4...
>Connected to csd0.dsto.gov.au.
>Escape character is '^]'.
>220 CSD0.DSTO.GOV.AU TGV/MultiNet SMTP service ready.
>helo bats.comp.vuw.ac.nz
>250 CSD0.DSTO.GOV.AU ; Hello bats.comp.vuw.ac.nz, pleased to meet you.
>vrfy postmaster 
>250 CSD Postmaster <postmaster>
>quit
>221 CSD0.DSTO.GOV.AU TGV/MultiNet SMTP service complete.
>Connection closed by foreign host.
>
>But if you 'ping' it you get:
>
>$ ping csd0.dsto.gov.au.
>ICMP Host Unreachable from gateway dsto.gw.au (139.130.176.2)
> for icmp from bats.comp.vuw.ac.nz (130.195.8.13) to csd0.dsto.gov.au (131.185.10.4)
>
>I suspect it's some sort of security measure in the router but it's a little
>strange.

Not all that strange. DSTO is Defence Science and Technology Organization.
I would expect them to prevent any unknow traffic from crossing their
routers.

Mark.
From: mcdonald@dallas.sil.org
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: All-in-1 mail, POPMail
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:04:52 CST
Organization: Summer Institute of Linguistics, Dallas Center

In article <BxKqA8.ADA@rice.edu>, dboyes@is.rice.edu (David E Boyes) writes:
> In article <1992Nov11.154720.28785@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> Chris McNeil <cmcneil@mta.ca> writes:
>>We are currently using popmail ( POPMail, Eudora, NUPOP as clients) on
>>our campus as our mail solution for PC's and like it very much. We are a
>>a DEC site and Dec is trying to get us to switch to all-in-1 mail. Can
>>anyone that has used the above comment on it.
> 
> In one word: don't. All-in-1 is fine *IF*:
> 
>   a) you have significant machine and personnel resources
>      available to manage it and it's databases

Sorry, but you are a victim of the Allin1 MAIL bad name choice fiasco.  I
would agree wholehardily that Allin1 Integrated Office System would be an
extremely bad choice for him in this situation.  However, he is talking
about using MAILWORKS (aka Allin1 MAIL for xxx).  Mailworks does not take
much more resources than VMSMail.  It is a little harder to set up, but
once its up it is very clean.

>   b) you are willing to accept the limitations and syntactical
>      complexity involved in getting the Mail-11 transport to cope
>      with non-DEC network software and protocols

Sorry, but neither Allin1 IOS or MAILWORKS uses Mail-11.  They are both
based on Message Router (which is now provided under the DECNET end-node
license).  A gateway is needed to get to the rest of the world, however, of
which there are several.  The best is from Innosoft.

>   c) can afford the licensing cost for significant numbers of
>      microcomputer clients.

If you are already running Pathworks, then there is no additional licensing
fee.  Mailworks for DOS comes with the PATHworks for DOS client license,
and MAilworks for MAC comes with the Pathworks for MAC client license.

******************************************************************************
Dan McDonald                    * UUCP      ...utacfd!dalsil!mcdonald
Dallas Computer Services	* Internet  mcdonald@dallas.sil.org
Summer Institute of Linguistics * ATTmail   sil!mcdonald
7500 W Camp Wisdom Rd           * SILnet    MCDONALD@AM@DALLAS
Dallas, TX 75236                * FAXnet    (214)709-3387
USA                             * POTSnet   (214)709-3389
******************************************************************************
x.400: C=US; ADMD=WESTERN UNION; O=SIL; DDA.ELN=62897168
      include "VMS MAIL: DAN.MCDONALD" in text for automated delivery :-(
******************************************************************************
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From: tron@Veritas.COM (Ronald S. Karr)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: Problems with Smail & pipe
Keywords: smail
Date: 10 Nov 92 06:22:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: Veritas.1992Nov10.062258.29204
Organization: VERITAS Software

In article <1dltfkINNj93@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE> ti@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de (Matthias Kloas) writes:
>I have problems some problems with smail and i am looking for help.
>I installed smail (3.1.28) on our Network (NeXTs running NS 2.1). Everything  
>works fine except one alias:
>
>BeNG: "|/usr/server/catmail -L BENG -f"
>
>Unfortunaly smail comes up with an the following error message:
>
>director aliases: matched BeNG, aliased to "| /usr/server/catmail -L BENG -f"
>write_log:no valid recipients were found for this message
>write_log:"| /usr/server/catmail -L BENG -f" ... failed: (ERR_104) director  
>aliases: security violation

Most likely, your aliases file is world writable.  Smail doesn't allow
files or commands to be listed in world writable aliases files.  You can
either change your aliases file, or you can change smail to allow world
writable files.  To change smail to allow world-writable files, copy the
source file samples/generic/directors to /usr/lib/smail/directors and
edit it as you see fit for other localized changes.  In the aliases
director, set "modemask=0" rather than the current "modemask=002".
-- 
	tron |-<=>-|		ARPAnet:  veritas!tron@apple.com
      tron@veritas.com		UUCPnet:  {apple,pyramid}!veritas!tron
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: dboyes@is.rice.edu (David E Boyes)
Subject: Re: All-in-1 mail, POPMail
Organization: Rice University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:53:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.170800.47@dallas.sil.org> mcdonald@dallas.sil.org writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.154720.28785@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>, cmcneil@mta.ca (Chris McNeil) writes:
>> We are currently using popmail ( POPMail, Eudora, NUPOP as clients) on
>> our campus as our mail solution for PC's and like it very much. We are a
>> a DEC site and Dec is trying to get us to switch to all-in-1 mail. Can
>> anyone that has used the above comment on it.
>We are using MAILworks (aka Allin1 MAIL for xxx) and like it very much.  It
>runs on our MACs, PC's, dumb terminals, and X terminals, so anyone can move
>between platforms and still get at his mail. 

Is your network primarily DECnet or IP? We looked at Pathworks
not too long ago, and a significant number of the advertised
features weren't available over IP, just DECnet. Pathworks (over
IP or DECnet) also has problems with routed networks rather than
the bridged model DEC prefers. It (Pathworks) tends to use
broadcasts for resource discovery, although I'm told that a
forthcoming version will use directed multicast or a Hesiod-like
tool to find stuff.

>Dan McDonald                    * UUCP      ...utacfd!dalsil!mcdonald
>Dallas Computer Services	* Internet  mcdonald@dallas.sil.org
>Summer Institute of Linguistics * ATTmail   sil!mcdonald


-- 
David Boyes
dboyes@rice.edu
From: kevin@cfctech.cfc.com (Kevin Darcy)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: a!b@c
Date: 12 Nov 92 00:55:08 GMT
Organization: Chrysler Financial Corp., Southfield, MI

In article <1992Nov11.171241.20094@news.acns.nwu.edu> skrenta@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Rich Skrenta) writes:
>I used to think that a!b@c meant "give the message to a with address
>b@c" (Perhaps that's what smail 2.5 did?).  Lately I've been seeing
>lots of address binding @ the other way:  "deliver to c with address a!b".
>
>In other words, which is it:
>
>	a!b@c	->	@c:a!b
>	a!b@c   ->	@a:b@c

From RFC 976:

2.1  Hybrid Addresses

   There are (among others) two major kinds of mailing address syntax
   used in the UUCP world.  The a!b!c!user ("bang paths") is used by
   older UUCP software to explicitly route mail to the destination.  The
   user@domain ("domain") syntax is used in conformance to RFC-822.
   Under most circumstances, it is possible to look at a given address
   and determine which sort of address it is.  However, a hybrid address
   with a ! to the left of an @, such as a!b@c, is ambiguous: it could
   be interpreted as (a!b)@c.d or a!(b@c.d).  Both interpretations can
   be useful.  The first interpretation is required by RFC-822, the
   second is a de-facto standard in the UUCP software.

   Because of the confusion surrounding hybrid addresses, we recommend
   that all transport layer software avoid the use of hybrid addresses
   at all times.  A pure bang syntax can be used to disambiguate, being
   written c.d!a!b in the first case above, and a!c.d!b in the second.
   We recommend that all implementations use this "bang domain" syntax
   unless they are sure of what is running on the next machine.

   In conformance with RFC-822 and the AT&T Message Transfer
   Architecture, we recommand that any host that accepts hybrid
   addresses apply the (a!b)@c.d interpretation.

---

There you go -- RFC 976 tells you that

	a!b@c	->	@c:a!b

amidst whining about not using hybrid addresses at all. :-)

>And what of:
>
>	b%a@c
>
>Is there a standard which addresses this?  Are most sites giving
>@ higher precedence, or !?

RFC 1123, Section 5.2.16:

---
              An embedded source route is sometimes encoded in the
              "local-part" using "%" as a right-binding routing
              operator.  For example, in:

                 user%domain%relay3%relay2@relay1

              the "%" convention implies that the mail is to be routed
              from "relay1" through "relay2", "relay3", and finally to
              "user" at "domain".  This is commonly known as the "%-
              hack".  

---

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: jv@mh.nl (Johan Vromans)
Subject: Re: Mail-Server
X-Md4-Signature: 6e5259106300efef1d095ddf7aaa4def
Organization: Multihouse Automation, the Netherlands
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 10:12:18 GMT


In article <9211080554.AA11978@malibu.sfu.ca> chim@sfu.ca (Alan Chim) writes:

> I'm trying to set up a Mail-Server (ie. someone sends me a message
> with a certain subject, and the machine will automatically send that
> person a file triggered by that particular subject).

--> How to get the Squirrel Mail Server Software via anonymous FTP:

    *	Site:		ftp.eu.net
	Login:		"anonymous"
	Password:	your own email address (you@your_domain)
	File:		mail/mserv-3.0.tar.Z

    *	Site:		ftp.cs.ruu.nl  [131.211.80.5]
	Login:		"anonymous" or "ftp"
	Password:	your own email address (you@your_domain)
	File:		/pub/UNIX/squirrel-mailserv.tar.Z

--> How to get the Squirrel Mail Server Software via e-mail:

    NOTE: In the following I have assumed that your mail address is
	  "fred_flintstone@stone.age.edu"; of course you must substitute
	  your own address for this.
	  ** PLEASE USE VALID DOMAIN ADDRESSES. DO NOT USE ADDRESSES **
	  ** WITH ! and @ MIXED !!!! BITNETTERS USE USER@HOST.BITNET **

    *	Send the following message to mail-server@nluug.nl

	begin
	path fred_flintstone@stone.age.edu (SUBSTITUTE *YOUR* ADDRESS)
	send mail/mserv-3.0.tar.Z
	end

        (Alternatively, you may request "mail-server" instead of
        "mail/mserv-3.0.tar.Z". This will send the most recent, maybe
        yet unreleased, version of the server software,

    *	Send the following message to mail-server@cs.ruu.nl

	begin
	path fred_flintstone@stone.age.edu (SUBSTITUTE *YOUR* ADDRESS)
	send UNIX/squirrel-mailserv.tar.Z
	end

    The path command can be deleted if we receive a valid from address in your
    message. If this is the first time you use our mail server, we suggest you
    first issue the request:

	send HELP

-- 
Johan Vromans				       jv@mh.nl via internet backbones
Multihouse Automatisering bv		       uucp:..!{uunet,sun4nl}!mh.nl!jv
Doesburgweg 7, 2803 PL Gouda, The Netherlands  phone/fax: +31 1820 62911/62500
------------------------ "Arms are made for hugging" -------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: help on IP address
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<1992Nov5.153349.13260@nwnexus.WA.COM>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 22:01:44 GMT

Ralph> == Ralph Sims <ralphs@halcyon.com> 

 Ralph> Dig has proven especially useful, and is used by the folks at
 Ralph> the NIC more than nslookup, it seems.

I don't know about the NIC, but I use dig in preference to nslookup.

 Ralph> And then there's a 'simple' (for somebody) trick that you can
 Ralph> use in your login profiles:
[wrapped for clarity]
 Ralph> alias ptr echo \!$ \| awk -F. \'\{printf \"set
 Ralph> q=PTR\\n%s.%s.%s.%s.in-addr.arpa\\n\",\$4,\$3,\$2,\$1\}\' \|
 Ralph> nslookup

The dig equivalent to this is:

alias ptr 'dig -x'

dig is great.  It's on venera.isi.edu, though I don't remember the exact
directory, it should be pretty obvious.

Other nice things about dig come from its nature as a command-line tool;
you can use whatever shell command-line editing you're used to, unlike
with nslookup.

Example: to look up MX records, then HINFO, for a particular machine:

nslookup:
> set q=mx
> foo.bar.dom.
[results]
> set q=hinfo
> foo.bar.dom.
[results]

dig:
% dig foo.bar.dom. mx
[results]
% ^mx^hinfo
[results]

And my favorite dig trick (thanks Randal):
% dig . ns +aa @nearest.root.server > /var/domain/root.cache

Since dig outputs its results in BIND file format (complete with
comments, prefixed with ';') it's great for piping/appending stuff (say,
doing a manual zone transfer to a file so you can prime your secondaries).
--
Christopher K. Davis      | ``Usenet seems to run much like the Kif (or,
<ckd@eff.org>   EFF #14   |   for the TV generation, Klingon) high command.
System Administrator, EFF |   Whoever takes action and can be heard wins.''
+1 617 864 0665  [CKD1]   |   --Peter da Silva <peter@ferranti.com>
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: comptec92076@camins.camosun.bc.ca
Subject: History of Internet
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:46:56 GMT

Hello all,

   I am doing a report on the history of the various networks, (Internet,
Usenet, Telenet etc...) and would appreciate it if anyone could E-mail me any
text files or names of FTP-sites that would carry any relevant information.

 Thanks in advance to all who reply,

Jason Vaux
From: James.Gorak@mixcom.mixcom.com (James.Gorak)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for method to send from internet to compuserve
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:36:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.

In <RBRUNNER.92Nov9172210@hopi.sedona.intel.com> rbrunner@sedona.intel.com (Richard Brunner~) writes:

>This is probably described in a FAQ to some newsgroup:

>	How can I send internet mail to someone on compuserve?

Address to the CompuServe subscribers ID-number@compuserve.com.
Replace the "," in the ID-number with a ".".
-- 
James.Gorak@mixcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc