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From: paul@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Paul Asmar)
Subject: Re: Rypien?  Is he the next Schroeder 
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:37:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.122048.4711@ncsu.edu> tphili@eos.ncsu.edu (TEEBU  PHILIP) writes:
>
>Rypien is a pretty accurate deep passer and is getting much better at
>reading defenses.  But I see him having two major flaws:  1) he is a
>fairly immobile chap and 2) he tries to "force" balls into coverage.
>

Give the guy some credit.  You didn't bring this up last year when
he tearing up defenses right and left.

>Last year his lack of mobility was hidden by the fact that he was never
>touched, but obiviously with injuries and age catching up with the OL, he
>certainly will not get the kind of protection he did last year.  No QB
>can expect that kind of "maximum protection".

I don't think so.  Last year he played his heart out, maybe even beyond
his ability.  He even showed some mobility, but most importantly he got
the job done, especially in pressure situations.  That's what matters.

>Many times, Rypien tries to force balls into coverage.  Lets not forget 2
>years ago against SF in the NFC Divisional Playoffs.  The Redskins drove
>inside the 20 3 times in the 2nd half before throwing critical interceptions.
>Even last season, his lack of patience cost the Dallas game.

You're pointing to a couple of his off games.  He can't have a great game
all the time.  Anyway, this is only the first game of the season.  See how
he does the rest of the way.  This was one of the likely losses for the
Redskins this year.  After all, don't you expect them to split with the
Cowboys?!  In which case, they should lose in Dallas.

>Rypien ... is he a Jay Schroeder??  No probably not that bad(nobody is that
>bad, probably Marinovich if he couldnt beat out Schroeder), but I dont
>believe he is in the Joe Montana/Phil Simms mold either.

This is proposterous (sp?).  Give credit where it's do; Rypien was one
of the top (maybe the top?) performers at QB in the NFL last year.

>My suggestion ... trade Rypien right now.  You will never get anything more for
>him than right now.  Trade him to the Raiders, they need a QB.  Get Nick Bell
>and a young offensive lineman.  Start Cory Conklin at QB and begin a 2yr
>rebuilding process.

It's a good thing you're not the Redskins owner :-).

>Many thanks for letting me vent frustration at a poor MN performance!

It will pass.  Try not to be too delirious!


					- Paul
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From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: Washington, DC Games (WAS: Games on TV)
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 15:21:21 GMT

In article 15769@athena.mit.edu, chico@athena.mit.edu (Thomas A Weston) writes:
>Does anybody know what games are going to be shown in Boston?  I can't seem to
>find any information on it.  I'm particularly interested in whether or not the
>Niners/Bills game is on here.
>
>Thanks in advance.


Actually, it would be helpful to post what games will be seen in the various
areas covered by the Net.Readers ... I'll kick things off (pun intended  :->)

13:00	WUSA (CBS-Wash.)	Atlanta at Washington
	WBAL (CBS-Balt.)	Atlanta at Washington
	WRC  (NBC-Wash.)	HOME TEAM BLACKOUT RULE
	WMAR (NBC-Balt.)	LA Raiders at Cincinnati

16:00	WRC  (NBC-Wash.)	Buffalo at San Francisco
	WMAR (NBC-Balt.)	Buffalo at San Francisco


Source: Washington Post ... all times Eastern Daylight (GMT-4)


Bob - hoping for a better performance than that seen in Dallas   :-)

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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: Joe Montana and other QB's
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 13:10:55 GMT

In article <Bu0q56.GEs@acsu.buffalo.edu> v118jxyk@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Live Fast, Die Young!) writes:
>
>game.....with a pass to his own lineman and 20 flags thrown in his face.  I
>think that Joe Montana should retire going out as a well respected QB, rather
>than be known as someone who kept wanting to play, even if he was physically
>unable to do so.  This idea that he is going to come back and start again like
>the years when he won the SB's is not very likely, and even if Joe Montana does
>return, alot of people will remember this incident of him not allowing the
>younger generation to play, and it will ruin what has otherwise been a very
>good career.  

You are looking at the whole thing from a fan's perspective. Look at it
from the athlete's point of view. An athlete loves the dirt, the sweat,
the hardwork and the 'big moment' pressure lot more than the fan
following and the media hype. So Joe wants to try like a warrior. People
are going to remember him for greatness (for leading SF to the many
SB's) and his effort ('The tough man who tried to beat
the odds'). Who knows.. Considering how tough Joe (the TD after a sack
became very 'montanish' during the 89, 90 seasons) has been in the past.. 
I think the fervent desire to stretch physical limits is evident in 
lots of games .. Larry Legend, Jumbo Connors and Skyhook Kareem 
are few names that represent this desire to play hard instead of 
chickening out on the way down. 



Ramesh Hariharan

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From: herreid@plains.NoDak.edu (Todd J. Herreid)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: A VIKING WOOFER!!
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:53:03 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


            MINNESOTA VIKINGS ARE A MAJOR THREAT!


After the beating of the Green Bay Packers last Sunday the
secret is out in the open.  THE VIKES ARE FOR REAL.  I am
sure that the folks in Detroit are concerned about the game
next Sunday.  Let me tell you---don't worry----the Vikes will
probably whack the heck out of the Lions.  This year the
Minnesota Vikings will be whacking most if not all the teams
they meet.

There is clearly a new attitude that has swept over the
Viking locker room and finally.........................

THE PURPLE PEOPLE EATERS ARE BACK!!!!! (woof)


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GGGGGGG    OOOOOOO

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 V         V      I       K  K    E        S         !!
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From: tphili@eos.ncsu.edu (TEEBU  PHILIP)
Subject: Rypien?  Is he the next Schroeder 
Originator: tphili@c00483-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: tphili@eos.ncsu.edu (TEEBU  PHILIP)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:20:48 GMT


Let me state this up front:  I love the Skins and hate the Giants,
Eagles and especially those punks from Dallas.


Rypien??  Last year, he had an incredible year.  He was sacked only
four times.  There were in a few games last year where he didnt even
get touched.  If you give a half-way decent QB that much time, certainly
he should lead you to the Super Bowl.

Rypien is a pretty accurate deep passer and is getting much better at
reading defenses.  But I see him having two major flaws:  1) he is a
fairly immobile chap and 2) he tries to "force" balls into coverage.

Last year his lack of mobility was hidden by the fact that he was never
touched, but obiviously with injuries and age catching up with the OL, he
certainly will not get the kind of protection he did last year.  No QB
can expect that kind of "maximum protection".

Many times, Rypien tries to force balls into coverage.  Lets not forget 2
years ago against SF in the NFC Divisional Playoffs.  The Redskins drove
inside the 20 3 times in the 2nd half before throwing critical interceptions.
Even last season, his lack of patience cost the Dallas game.

I will attribute Rypiens poor play on Monday night to a lack of training camp,
a failure to establish the running game and general poor play by the OL.
But I seriously doubt if Rypien will ever lead the Skins back to the SB again
because I dont believe he is a superstar QB.  To win an SB, you need a
superstar at QB.  I know what youre going to say, the Skins have never had a
superstat at QB, yet they won the SB three times.  Clearly, they played
inferior teams.  As noted by some of the scores of the games.

Rypien ... is he a Jay Schroeder??  No probably not that bad(nobody is that
bad, probably Marinovich if he couldnt beat out Schroeder), but I dont
believe he is in the Joe Montana/Phil Simms mold either.

My suggestion ... trade Rypien right now.  You will never get anything more for
him than right now.  Trade him to the Raiders, they need a QB.  Get Nick Bell
and a young offensive lineman.  Start Cory Conklin at QB and begin a 2yr
rebuilding process.

Lets look at the NFC.  Two teams have already retooled for the 90s: Dallas
and yes SF.  A couple of teams are going to be real comers: Minnesota and
of course Barry Sanders and the Lions.  Lets say Philly wins the SB this year
(I know ... a disgusting thought), no way they repeat ... I see the NYGiants
part II for them.

Either begin to retool now or retool later.  I choose now.

Many thanks for letting me vent frustration at a poor MN performance!


From: keithg@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Keith Glasson)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 11:32:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Red&Gold....The End
Organization: work
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Red&Gold
"The team that leaves Al Davis 'just wishing, baby'"

-- 
Peter Greco <greco@lclark.edu> | 
-------------------------------- 
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	Considering some of the moves Red&Gold has made the
	last couple of years, it wouldn't suprise me to see Joe
	wearing a black jersey before too long.


RonnieLott
"The guy that just left...."
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From: elambert@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Eber Lambert)
Subject: Raider Inversion Syndrome
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:37:43 GMT

Some sort of planetary alignment thing:

Schroeder has a near awesome day and the Raiders cant run, the Raider
defense melts like butter to a mediocre set of Bengal runners, and fumble
the opening kick off in OT after "cant do it Jay" leads them to a must 
tying TD drive in the final minutes of the 4th qtr.

So who do we blame now?

Plata y Negro.... 0-2 and feelin blue
From: eiswirth@vixvax.mgi.com (Steve Eiswirth)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Will Irvin Play on MNF?
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:17:03 GMT
Organization: Management Graphics, Inc.

I'm a big Michael Irvin fan.  Have any of you from Dallas heard whether he'll
play at all on Monday?
From: mannk@fshvmfk1.VNET.IBM.COM (Ken Mann)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 13:46:54 EDT
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Timm Rosenbach
Reply-To: mannk@fshvmfk1.VNET.IBM.COM
Organization: IBM
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: Usenet 3.0

I read in the local paper that Rosenbach was hurt in the Tampa game.
What is the extent of his injury??

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: 49ers roster question
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:13:13 GMT


	I was wondering if good 'ol option QB Darian Hagan had made
	the 49er roster as a WR/DB/KR or something like that.  I hadn't
	heard about him in awhile.  Could someone fill me in on his
	status?  Please e-mail -- I don't read this newgroup much.
	Thanx!

	Jazzy J
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Subject: Instant Replay
From: bggreenberg@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Brian Greenberg)
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:30:39 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

        I'm really suprise  that I didn't see this discussion yet.  If you saw 
last nights game it is clear that the NFL needs instant replay back.  Not only
did the ref blow the call he screwed it up twice.  First of all, it was not
caught it was a trap.  And secondly, if  (a big if) it was caught  he was
certainly down  on contact.  Not only did this play give the Skins the much
needed momemtum  switch it also gave them a touchdown.  I do agree that replay
takes way too much time, but  I think it is a great addition to the game.


         I do however think that the NFL should do this allow each team to have
two calls looked at per half.  It must be a reasonable play so that they cannot
use them as time outs.  Also to avoid this only allow two time outs per team
per half.

What do you all think?
-Brian
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From: rskirsky@athena.qualcomm.com (Ray Skirsky)
Subject: Steeler query
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Originator: rskirsky@athena.qualcomm.com
Reply-To: rskirsky@qualcomm.com
Organization: Technological Hierarchy for the Removal of Undesirables and the
		Subjugation of Humanity.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:42:59 GMT


Would someone either post or email me the address of the Steeler Digest?

Also, I'd appreciate the address and/or phone number of the Black and Gold
Brigade (Southern California Steeler Fan Club).

Thanks
Ray Skirsky
rskirsky@qualcomm.com
Organization: Doctoral student, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: centry@athena.mit.edu (Jae H Nam)
Subject: Re: Philadelphia Eagles question
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:02:11 GMT


In article
<1992Sep14.151557.16479@athena.cs.uga.edu>
(joseph.m.dakes) writes:

>Yes, Ben Smith is rehabing his injured knee (similar to Randall's).
>The rehab did not go well at first, but from last reports it has been
>improving.  There is a very slim chance that Smith will be back this
>year.

	I'm just wondering.  Is this the kind of injury from which
a full recovery is possible?  I mean, how much of his speed and leaping
ability will he be able to regain?  I hope he makes it back 'cuz we
REALLY need him with Izel "Toast" Jenkins out there.
("Man...burnt like toast again...good 'ol Izel...")

	Can someone update me on what figures Keith Jackson and the
Eagles are negotiating at?  It'd be great if we could get him signed.
From: baker2668@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Charger's Offense
Date: 15 Sep 92 11:33:46 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I have a question about the Charger's Offense.  It is obvious that the three
best players are the running backs: Bernstine, Butts and Harmon.  Why can't
they all be on the field at the same time?!?!!?  Or at leat two at a time.  Why
not line up Butts as the FB with Bernstine as the TB.  Then line up Harmaon as
a scat back or even a wide reciever.  Or even line 'em up in the Wishbone!!! 
Having all three on the field would have the defenses around the league
confused at what will happen next.  This old system of rotating them in one at
a time has to go.


Bill Baker

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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: TNT Announcers / Bronco Comments
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 01:49:39 GMT

The announcers for the Bronco game last night were some of the worst I've
ever heard.  Among the idiotic things I can remember were:

1. "John Elway is the winningest COACH in..."

2. Referee signals illegal forward pass and the announcer declares "Oh, there
   was an illegal man down field."  Not only should he know the damn signals,
   but he should have seen that Elway was passed the line of scrimmage anyway!

3. "Karl Mecklenburg, number 71" (For those not in the know, Meck in #77)

4. Numerous sentences which made no sense whatsoever...

Anyway, I was amused that these guys were actually getting paid to bring me
such cluefull information.

As for the game...

Well, lets call it winning ugly.  I won't deny that we looked real weak on
offense.  REAL weak.  But still, if you give Elway 3 minutes to make up a
3 point defecit, he'll do it almost every time.  The offensive line looks
really bad and it seems to be affecting Elway's confidence (of course) and
as a result John looks pretty bad too.  A few other notes...

- Should have been ahead 21-0 after 15 minutes.  On the first LA possession,
  we scored 7 points.  On the second, we got a turnover and started at the
  35 yard line -- no points.  On the third, another turnover put the offense
  at the 16 -- again no points.

- Defense looked very good early and stayed strong as the game progressed.
  They were out on the field a LOT and did not seem to tire much.  They
  obviously missed Atwater, hopefully he'll be back next week.

- Daluiso showed that he was worth the extra roster spot.  Each of his 4
  kickoffs were touchbacks -- the first almost went through the goalposts.
  He probably saved us at least 10 yards per kick compared to Treadwell.

- Rookie free agent Arthur Marshall had two big catches in the final drive.
  No questions about Elawy's confidence in the rookie.  He made a great run
  after the last catch to get to the 7 yard line.

- Reeves FINALLY came up with something to get us in from the goal line.  On
  2nd and goal, Elway faked the handoff up the middle and gave it to Reggie
  Rivers on the reverse.  Rivers walked in.

- THE RAIDERS SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-)
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From: gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Who's got the toughest schedule?
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 06:33:16 GMT

tb> Tony Bechtold

tb> The 49ers probably have the toughest schedule again this year.

  Doubtful. I've heard the Broncos have the toughest schedule, based on last
  year's standings.

  Here's both team's schedules, you can figure it out:

  Broncos
  home: Raiders,Chargers,Chiefs,Seahawks,Oilers,Jets,Giants,Cowboys
  away: Raiders,Chargers,Chiefs,Seahawks,Eagles,Browns,Redskins,Bills

  49ers
  home: Falcons,Saints,Rams,Bills,Eagles,Dolphins,Buccanneers,Lions
  away: Falcons,Saints,Rams,Giants,Jets,Patriots,Cardinals,Vikings

  Let's be adult, OK?

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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: New Cowboys
Keywords: Haley
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 03:26:55 GMT

In article <m2rngnj.xtifr@netcom.com> xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters) writes:
>In <1992Sep8.154158.17855@odin.corp.sgi.com> barnes@cowboys.esd.sgi.com (Jim Barnes) writes:
>
>>Charles Haley is a GREAT addition............
>>What FOOLS gave him up???????????????
>>hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
>
>[raising hand]
>
>That would be us fools over here.  The SF 49ers.  I gotta admit, I was
>not too pleased about losing him, but what the heck.  He *wanted* to
>play for Dallas, and the Niners are known for giving their players what
>they want (at least, more so than most teams).  Though this struck me as
>a trifle excessive.
>
>Fortunately, Tim Harris is quite good, and actually seems to *like*
>being a Niner, unlike Haley.  It almost makes up for the loss (assuming
>that Harris can stay out of jail...).
>-- 
>Chris Waters    | the insane don't | NOBODY for President!
>xtifr@netcom.COM| need disclaimers | Because Nobody's perfect!!

You're inferring that the Niner fans are fools.  In reality, it is the
Niner management that made the choice or agreement to trade Haley.
I personally liked him as a football player, but not as a person. He
appeared to be too sulking all the time, but he was/is still a great
player.  IMHO, Tim Harris is good but not better than Haley.  

Besides, the Niners' will do just fine without Haley and the Cowboy's
got a good deal.
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From: v130pwbq@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Christian Okoye & Robert Clark
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:12:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <haverdin.716048688@judy.cs.iastate.edu>, haverdin@cs.iastate.edu (Mike Haverdink) writ

>Also, what do the Dolphins think of Robert Clark?  He's on my fantasy team,
>and I'm hoping that he will see a lot of playing time, especially since
>Clayton is out for awhile.  Is he better than Duper?

Robert Clark got the 3rd receiver spot on the roster beating out Tony Martin,
I believe, don't quote me. He is a good receiver and will most definitely be 
seeing alot of passes thrown his way now that Clayton is on IR. Duper is still
one of the top 10 receivers in the NFL and getting better every year. He will
be crucial to the passing game now that Clayton is out. I haven't heard how
long he is to be on IR, but hopefuuly it won't be long. He had the same problem
with soreness in his neck last season but was able to play all 16 games. So
hopefully it isn't that serious.

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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Smith is NOT Sanders is NOT Thomas is NOT...
Keywords: n
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:04:57 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Sep10.194346.20651@bnr.ca> patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.173528.5603@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com>, robert@landru.mtc.ti.com (Robert Treese) writes:
>|> In article <1992Sep10.145345.16369@bnr.ca> patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power) writes:
>|> but your attempt to put down the Cowboys OL shows that either you know 
>|> nothing about football except for stats or that you just want to bash the
>|> Cowboys.
>|>
>
>      Chill...please.  I've been a 'Boys fan for many a moon.  I didn't
>say anyone of them was bad, did I?  I just pointed out that there back-


Now they're even calling each other Cowboy bashers. I'm amazed Bill Manigione-
Smith didn't jump on this one before I did.

Can't people just leave it as both Smith and Sanders are great backs(as is
Thruman Thomas) and its too tough to call who is the best? this over 
analysis trend on this group is getting out of hand.



Russ Smith
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