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From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Discussion on Malaysian sultanate amendments
Followup-To: soc.culture.singapore,soc.culture.asean
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:31:49 GMT

The tone is not really inviting discussing but jus quote the Newspapers. 
I would like to commen on the latest news.

Dr. Mahathir will pass the constitutional amendment even without the
concent of the Kings, contrary to the constitution.

DAP do not vote in the end because of this discrepency. The rule of law
should be obeyed and Lim Kit Siang agree to this even though he dislike
the ruling, after all he is still a lawyer.

: fleets of cars, must go.  Special wards in hospitals reserved for the
: royalty would be open to the public.  Dr Mahathir would no longer seek a

It would mean that the kings will not even be entittled to what an ordinary
citizen can get.
: weekly audience with the king.  There would be no more state funds for
: the upkeep of royal yachts, and no more allocations for work on royal
: homes.

: By the end of last week, Dr Mahathir had moved forward the big guns.  In
: future, he said, funds would be given to the royalty only in strict
: accordance with regulations.  In effect, this means the withdrawal of
: many millions of dollars from the royal purses.

: Each day fuller stories of alleged royal misdemeanours have emerged. 
: One sultan is said to have been in the habit of opening fire on vehicles
: careless enough to come close to royal motorcades.  Another is said to
: have sold timber concessions worth millions of dollars to pay debts.
	The properties of the kings are the property of the state governments.
By letting the property rot, will be a great disservice to the state.

How about the governers, the yang di pertuan negaras of Sabah, Sarawak, are
they also not entittled for the privileges?
	Why should the kings be the only ones targeted? Shouldn't the other
heads of states also affected?

Question of immunity only during official duties is very hard to establish so
was not implemented in all other countries. Do you know that the President of
Singapore also have full immunity? So are the other heads of state in Malaysia,
and other commonwealth nations, and even all the royalty of the Britain, unlike
Malaysia where the immunity is only for the Sultans.


: There have been tales of manslaughter and in one case, murder, with
: allegations made in parliment that a sultan killed his golf caddie.
This was a very old story but only come out now. You may wonder why?

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
Subject: Re : Lecturing Lecturers
From: cvadrgkw@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
Date: 26 Jan 93 11:42:00 PST
Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Nntp-Posting-User: cvadriak

Hello!  I also face that kind of problems here reagrding lecturers that can't
lecture.  The university here doesn't have the kind of "training" program that
you have for your Lousy lecturers.  Here, what all of do is to go straight to
the department office and bitch about that lecturer.  We'll bitch and bitch
till the matter is rectified or that lecturer changes his style!  

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From: winston@kuamp.kyoto-u.ac.jp (SEAH Winston)
Subject: Re: S`poreans own Modems
Reply-To: winston@kuamp.kyoto-u.ac.jp
Organization: Applied Systems Science, Kyoto University, Kyoto, JAPAN
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:32:12 GMT


Singapore is the first country to provide ISDN services nationwide. You just
have to apply (and of course pay for it). Take a walk to the ComCentre at 
Orchard Road if you want to know more. 

Winston
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From: tchua@soda.berkeley.edu (Terence Chua)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
Subject: Re: Where is the best - Singapore Food
Date: 25 Jan 93 02:58:55
Organization: QMW Department of Laws
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In-reply-to: mathias@solomon.technet.sg's message of Sat, 23 Jan 1993 06:19:34 GMT

The USENET Guide To Solid Singaporean Makan... I *like* it...


Can we have a category(s) for countries other than Singapore as well, for 
us poor overseas people?

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: elltankw@nuscc.nus.sg (Tan Kok Wan Peter (Dr))
Subject: Re: Differences between Singaporen Cantonese and Hongkong Cantonese ?
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 07:57:00 GMT

ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk (W.H.Watt) writes:

: > (or even Taiwanese Hokkien).  Interestingly, the Taiwanese refer to
: > Hokkien as Taiwanese.
:              ^^^^^^^^^
: 
: I thought the Taiwanese call Hokkien "MIN NAN HUA".
: 
Yes, in Mandarin.  But I've seen it called `Taiwanese' in English
publications from R.O.C.  Perhaps there is a R.O.C. person who can clarify
for us?
                                          Peter
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
Subject: More News from home please!
From: cvadrgkw@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
Date: 28 Jan 93 09:28:22 PST
Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Nntp-Posting-User: cvadrgkw

Hello fellow users,  I would greatly appreciate if news from home regarding the
economy, new campaigns, new developments in all areas, and new policies be
posted for the "Clueless and Homesick" people like myself.  

Thanking you in advance!

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: wuys@cs.rpi.edu (Yi-Shin Wu)
Subject: Memory chips in Singapore
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:08:59 GMT


A fellow student asked me where in Singapore is a good place to
buy chips (not potato, but computer...specifically memory chips).

Since I've left home for a few years, I thought I'd better 
check it out on the net. So if you know the answer, please
email or post on this news group.

Thanks!

Xref: sparky soc.culture.singapore:570 soc.culture.asean:9325
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore,soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Discussion on Malaysian sultanate amendments
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:46:13 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <27JAN199313401677@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg>, sa2263263@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg (ROLAND U) writes:
> In article <1993Jan27.022443.26974@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes...
>> 
>>How come they have more power than even our present kings? EVen much richer?
> Richer ? Perhaps. More power ?? Certainly not. If they had more power, the

	Actually, I believe that QE2 does have more power than our kings,
relatively speaking.  If I remember correctly, she has veto power, in fact she
has veto power in the commonwealth countries that recognise her as head of
state (ie, like Australia, etc etc).

> papers there are most definately not going to get away with their reporting.
> Besides, the royalty there do not interfere with the government at all.

	You are right about this tho.  Well, don't interfere much anyway... 
They are under so much public scrutiny that they can hardly do anything
without someone knowing about it...  Makes it kinda hard to interfere when you
know the public will be crying for your head...  
	Ciao.

-Tai "just pointing out a fact"
ps: where's animemuck mud anyways?  wanna go take a look see...
From: liu@cs.unc.edu (Alan Ve-Ming Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
Subject: Re: Mentality of Singaporean (Grossly over generalization)
Date: 27 Jan 1993 19:21:53 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ganglion.cs.unc.edu

In article <1k6lsuINNrpt@falcon.natinst.com>, fellow@natinst.com (Osbert Tan) writes:
|> In article <C1Ix5G.Go6@news.iastate.edu>, s_perera@iastate.edu (Sunil M Perera) writes:
|> > In article <1993Jan27.135016.9507@philabs.philips.com> ncl@philabs.philips.com (Nai-Chi Lee) writes:
|> > >
|> > > [Sabo (heroic ?) stuff deleted]
|> > ng interesting has happened)
|>
|> At the risk of making some overly generalised statements, I will attempt to
|> point out the importance of Freedom of speech, and the lack of in Singapore.
|> 
|> Simpliest way to silent dissents is to shut 'em up, and the attitude 
|> propagated by the Singapore political culture can be observed from this
|> newsgroup. Yes, you have the right to complain and it is IMO an inalienable
|> right. However, do not assume all administrators will respond the way you've
|> speculated, I know, I have spoken to some them. We silent oppositions,
|> silent dissents, s
|> At the risk of making some overly generalised statements, I will attempt to
|> point out the importance of Freedom of speech, and the lack of in Singapore.
|> 
|> Simpliest way to silent dissents is to shut 'em up, and the attitude 
|> propagated by the Singapore political culture can be observed from this
|> newsgroup. Yes, you have the right to complain and it is IMO an inalienable
|> right. However, do not assume all administrators will respond the way you've
|> speculated, I know, I have spoken to some them. We silent oppositions,
|> silent dissents, silent people who have shown the slightest disrespect to
|> Singapore (and/or any ornaments that is remotely symbolizing Singapore).
|> Sure, it is effective, but at what cost ?
|> 
|> Are we so weak in our cognitive ability that we can not tell right from
|> wrong, that we have to silent the WRONG ? Attack, argue, dispel, yes, but
|> silent ? All these when Singaporean themselves are arguing for a more open
|> society, open minded governing ? So are Singaporeans not ready to step into
|> the new era afterall ???
|> 
|> -Osbert


I believe the point in question here is *how* we present an opposing point of
view rather than allowing dissent.  Freedom in expressing a different point of
view is acceptable.  Abusing your audience with offensive, highly emotional 
language is not.  I recall a quote (but not the source) defining democracy
as "the right to be wrong, not the right to do wrong".  This certainly applies
here.  Nai-Chi did not write to the administrator to "shut" him up.  Rather
he objects to the vulgar and quite immature manner of the post, which makes no
attempt at rational argument, but instead, cusses like an army recruit stuck with
weekend confinement after doing guard duty the night before who has just found
out that his best pal has made away with his girlfriend of 5 years.

Al
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Keong)
Subject: Re: Best views of the island?
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:22:46 GMT

engp2065@nusunix1.nus.sg (Won-Soon Lau) writes:

> Well you can take the MRT (aka subway) to the Eastern or Western part of
> Singapore.  Most of the journey will be above ground so you can see a lot
> of stuffs.  There are several tourist attractions along the way too so you
> might want to stop by and check them out.  To have a good view of the
> city you can either go to Mount Faber or check out the "Compass Ross"
> restaurant at Raffles City's Westin Hotel.                      ^^^^ 
                                                           Don't mean to 
                                                           nitpick - but I 
                                                           think it's Rose.

I have another suggestion - go to the financial district on Shenton Way and go 
into one of the top floors of the building like 6 Battery Rd, Straits Trading 
Building etc. and look out the window from the 40th floor. You should get a 
magnificent view of the waterfront there....... that is provided you do not 
get chased out by the long-sleeve-white-shirts-and-tie types! :-)





v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Keong)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: sa2263263@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg (ROLAND U)
Subject: Re: Mentality of Singaporean (Grossly over generalization)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 07:29:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.025848.12637@leland.Stanford.EDU>, underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes...
>In article <1k6lsuINNrpt@falcon.natinst.com> fellow@natinst.com (Osbert Tan)
>writes: 
>Come on.  We are talking about Singapore.  What does Singapore have in
>common with China and Taiwan?  They are all run by a single party that is
>dominated by Chinese-cu blowhards.
> 
>In _none_ of these countries is there _any_ respect for individual liberties
>and freedoms that are so prevalent in the United States of American and
>Japan and the rest of the Free World.  For some sick reason, there is the
>disgusting need in Chinese-cu culture to silence opposing ideas, to _kill_
>those who have opposing ideas, etc.
> 
>I'm surprised that more Chinese-ge children, reared in Chinese-cu culture,
>haven't committed suicide due to these conditions.  _Know_ the difference
>between China and Japan; not _all_ Orientals-ge are the same.  Western-cu
>society is a gorgeous super-nova; Japan-cu culture is a Rising Sun.  Chinese-cu
>culture is this dark piece of crap somewhere on the other side of hell.
> 
>It _is_ pretty dark in hell, isn't it?
> 
>>Are we so weak in our cognitive ability that we can not tell right from
>>wrong, that we have to silent the WRONG ? Attack, argue, dispel, yes, but
>>silent ?
> 
>Hey, sister!  These are Chinese-cu people that we are talking about.
>Look again at the societies that Chinese-cu culture has created.
> 
>Does Mr. Tan see any Chinese-cu nation where there is respect for differing
>opinions?  No way!  At least, not untill hell freezes over.
> 
>It _is_ pretty hot in hell, isn't it?
> 
>> All these when Singaporean themselves are arguing for a more open
>>society, open minded governing ? So are Singaporeans not ready to step into
>>the new era afterall ???
>>-Osbert
> 
>See above.
> 
>Have a nice day!
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Interesting theories. A lot of opinions and speculations. So where's the facts ?
You must realise that soc.culture.singapore is full of Chinese. So unless, you
are prepared to back up your opinions with facts, kindly refrain from such 
allegations. BTW, why don't we talk abt it in soc.culture.asean....I'm sure
that there must be many Chinese there who would be more than willing to
discuss this matter with you...


Roland U.
sa2263263@ntuvax.ntu.sg " We Shall All Die "
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: isc20390@nusunix1.nus.sg (CHONG KAH YUEN)
Subject: Re: Meaning of `Sekali'
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:49:58 GMT

Tan Kok Wan Peter (Dr) (elltankw@nuscc.nus.sg) wrote:
: 
: 
:                                       27th Jan. 93
: Can I just get some response about a Singlish word `sekali', sometimes
: spelt `scully'.  This I take to be of Malay origin, but in Malay it means
: `once' (> se = satu = `one' + kali = `time').  This is obviously not the
: sense in which it is used in Singapore English, e.g.
: 
:      Sekali he come in, he'll kill me.
:      I smiled at her.  Sekali she thinks I'm interested in her, gone case.
: 
: Can you give an appropriate gloss to the word?  What are its origins?
: 
:                                     Peter Tan

I think the meaning of sekali is " Suddenly or all of a sudden if something
totally unexpected happens and..".

Somewhere along those lines is the meaning. (I think, Sekali I wrong,
very malu)
								John F Chong

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From: v053t8r8@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (DESMOND)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
Subject: Lodging Prices in Boston
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:59:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hi! I'm planning to be in the Boston area visiting professors at MIT sometime
soon, and was wondering if anyone could suggest an affordable motel not to far
from the Univ. 

Thanx

Desmond Seow
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: L.T.Chia@lut.ac.uk (Liang Tien CHIA)
Subject: Re: S`poreans own Modems
Organization: Loughborough University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 15:03:56 GMT

Keywords: 

From Chris Wee..
Computer Science, University of California at Davis


About Modems and working at home... Is there a govt policy that don't 
encourage working at home... Please Comment...

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From: goh@bode.usc.edu (K.C.Goh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore,soc.culture.asean
Subject: S'pore Food : Really that good? Was: Where .. best - Singapore Food
Date: 24 Jan 1993 12:19:21 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bode.usc.edu

In article <C1AMwn.5Hp@newsserver.technet.sg> 
mathias@solomon.technet.sg (Mathias Koerber) writes:
>About this whole "Where is the best ... thread":
>
>I think, with all those people reading (and posting to) this group we
>have here the potential to do great things. We could start
>collecting recommendations for "The One and Only Authoritative
>Guide to SIngapore Food" and outdo any guide just published in
>book form.

This may be a bit anti-social of me but..

As a Malaysian who has had the chance to stay a few years in Singapore,
I'd like to point out that most supposedly "Singaporean food" is
no different than Malaysian food, (e.g. Satay, Chinese Fried Mee etc.)
and that (IMHO) the best places to find these dishes would 
actually be in Malaysia. 

In fact, is it not true that most Singaporean versions of these dishes 
are bland, homogenized versions of the "real things" found in Malaysia 
(probably in some roadside stall in rural Penang island)?  B)

As they say, some food for thought, as you compile ""The One and 
Only Authoritative Guide to Singapore Food".

Regards,

K.C. Goh
From: tchua@soda.berkeley.edu (Terence Chua)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
Subject: Re: 1st non-S'porean but S'pore-bred ( I hope )
Date: 22 Jan 93 03:44:56
Organization: QMW Department of Laws
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: yu@plains.NoDak.edu's message of Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:48:56 GMT

I have bad news for those who don't already know - the Coleman Street
ACPS is shutting down. They're moving to the Barker Road site when
they finish refurbishing that estate. I managed to get a last look at
ACPS last summer before I came back to London, so at least I've paid
my respects. 

The Bukit Timah MGS will be coming up soon, replacing Mt. Sophia -
we're going to have two distinct zones of influence, one around Bt.
Timah and the other the Dover Road campus.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore
From: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Subject: Re: S`poreans own Modems
Reply-To: khor@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:09:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.174512.1768@nuscc.nus.sg>, law30056@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN KEN HWEE) writes:
|> TEE LUNS (tee@ecf.toronto.edu) wrote:
|> : In article <1993Jan23.173121.17930@nuscc.nus.sg> isc20390@nusunix1.nus.sg (CHONG KAH YUEN) writes:
|> : >Errrr.. The idea is to have ISDN in Singapore (by 2000 AD) thats the
|> : >idea... when , how and who will have the system up is still not confirm.
|> : 
|> :    Hmm.. I remember distinctly, an exhibit at the Singpoare Science Centre
|> : in the Lower Exhibition Hall of the OmniPlanetarium/OmniTheatre building
|> : (the area where you lounge around waiting to see the Omni-Theatre movies).
|> : It was about ISDN, and it claimed that Singapore already has completely
|> : implemented the first stage of ISDN - i.e. everything between switching
|> : stations - and that you can get terminal adapters which convert what the
|> : switching station sends to the plug in your wall back into digital. What
|> : was not yet implemented was the second stage - that of converting the
|> : analog user-lines over to digital so that the terminal adapters are no
|> : longer necessary: you get digital data right out of your wall.
|> :
|> Methinks that's correct.  It's a matter of time.  I think 5 years should
|> be about it.
|>  
ISDN requires 4 wires.  Open up your phone jack and check if you
have 4 or more wires.  Given S'pores efficiency coversion could be
just a blink away.  But if you have only 2 wires...that is another
story.

...Kyle