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From: rip@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Richard Phillips)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Chic Charnley
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:12:31 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh

What would any interested parties reckon about Chic returning to Thistle.
His disciplinary record was always awful but he usually got into trouble 
over what he said rather than did.
I think that John Lambie has been the only manager to control him to any extent
and his days at Firhill have been the most succesful of his career.
Maybe it is too easy to forget all his bad performances but it only takes one
piece of magic to create a goal and if you win 1-0 you can forget the other 89
minutes.
On the other hand maybe Thistle have now got above his level in playing 
terms and can no longer afford to have a bad boy on the books while enjoying
the spotlight of the premier league.
From: shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Germany-Brazil
Date: 15 Dec 1992 00:21:12 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Does anyone know anything about a friendly match to be played this
week between Germany and Brazil???
-What day is the game?  
-What time (always thinking about satellite TV possibilities!)
-Where is the game being played?
-Are both teams expected to bring top line-ups?  

Any info would be great.

Thanks,

Ken Shadlen
University of California at Berkeley
shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu
From: richard@pyra.co.uk (Richard McCormack)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Owls v Villa
Date: 14 Dec 92 11:08:35 GMT
Reply-To: richard@pyra.co.uk  (Richard McCormack)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Ltd.

In <9212101737.AA06595@agattu.dcs.gla.ac.uk> centonzs@dcs.gla.ac.uk (centonzs) writes:

>|Subject: Re: Owls v Aston Villa

>This was quite a
>grudge match for The Owls. 

Not so much as last year I'll bet when we gave them a 2-3 thumping, ahh!
I remember going on Holiday that day, Villa were two down and it was
looking a bad, then Good ole Dalian did his stuff (shame he only played
one game all season) and we won 2-3.

> I'd like some report about how unlucky we were.  Was it crap ref'ing ? Dalians goals offside ? Did we have certain penalties

Hardy Har Har !


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From: cep@cs.nott.ac.uk (Charlie Pearce)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Current capacity at Anfield
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:29:09 GMT
Organization: Nottingham University

In article <9212141304.AA28562@hydra.prl.philips.nl> collins@prl.philips.nl (Donie Collins) writes:
>
>Could someone tell me what the capacity of Anfield is ?.
>
>I was under the impression that it was around 38,000 until I read that 
>43,688 had watched yesterday's game against Blackburn Rovers.

I think it was actually 43,668, which is just about capacity. Liverpool built
a new stand on top of the one adjacent to the Kop, called the Kemlyn Road
Centenary Stand. Of course the capacity will drop a bit when they stick seats
in the Kop.

Sorry to be fussy about 20 people.

Charlie
From: TSAKETO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Greek League Results
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:06:03 GMT
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit MI  U.S.A.


 
Results  12/20/92
 
   DAY 14
 
AEK Athens- Kalamaria  = 2-0
PAOK      - Olympiakos = 0-0
ARIS      - PAO        = 0-1
OFI       - Pierikos   = 3-0
Korinthos - Iraklis    = 1-1
Panaxaiki - Larisa     = 1-0
Apollon   - Edessaikos = 3-0
Doxa      - Xanthi     = 2-2
Athinaikos- Ionikos    = 0-1
 
 
2. STANDINGS
 
                     POINTS   W D L         GOAL
 1. AEK  Athens       38     12-2-0        38 - 10
===========================================================
 2. OLYMPIAKOS        31      9-4-1        24 -  7
 3. PAO               27      8-3-3        32 - 11
 4. OFI               27      8-3-3        26 - 10
 5. IRAKLIS           26      8-2-4        23 - 18
 6. ARIS              23      7-2-5        20 - 16
 7. PAOK              20      6-2-6        21 - 18
 8. LARISA            19      5-4-5        12 - 13
 9. PANAXAIKI         18      5-3-6        20 - 21
10. DOXA DRAMA        17      4-5-5        19 - 23
11. APOLLON           17      5-2-7        13 - 21
12. XANTHI            16      4-4-6        17 - 29
13. EDESSAIKOS        15      4-3-7        21 - 35
14. ATHINAIKOS        13      2-7-5        13 - 18
15. IONIKOS           12      3-3-8        12 - 21
16. KALAMARIA          9      1-6-7         8 - 21
17. KORINTHOS          9      1-6-7         9 - 29
18. PIERIKOS           8      1-5-8        13 - 25
 
Tony Saketos
tsaketo@cms.cc.wayne.edu
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From: glennm@hpman010.uksr.hp.com (Glenn Mackie)
Subject: Stan Bowles..whatever happend to
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 11:08:30 GMT
Organization: UK SMPC, Manchester
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

	I suppose this question will only apply to readers in the UK as it
	concerns a recent Channel 4 programme "Without Walls".

	It was basically a musical score written by some composer I've never
	heard of and was a tribute to his beloved QPR and in particular that
	seventies superstar Stan Bowles. It featured some great clips of Stan
	scoring goals and of the QPR team of Francis, Thomas, Givens etc who
	nearly won the league in 1976 (dig those groovy sideburns).

	Towards the end it showed some newspaper clippings reflecting the
	demise of Bowles' career, the famous one of him with a topless page
	three girl, an interview where he admitted taking stimulants and
	finally the news that he requested a transfer from QPR. Whatever
	happened to this wayward genius as I don't recall seeing him playing 
	for any other team and as far as I know he isn't connected with 
	football today. He did have a reputation as one who liked the booze
	so maybe this proved his final downfall. I suppose he merits a
	documentary in his own right. I can remember him playing for England
	but I don't think he won that many caps.

	Glenn Mackie


Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: nasir@j.cc.purdue.edu (mail)
Subject: Re: Maradona or Pele.
Organization: Purdue University
 OF COURSE PELE, MARADONA HAS NOT EVEN ACHIEVED ANYTHING
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:59:46 GMT

A MARADONA HATER
BBB
.
:
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: andersen@s1.elec.uq.oz.au (Hans Andersen)
Subject: Michael Laudrup
Organization: Dept. of Electrical Engineering,University of Queensland
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:22:29 GMT


When I was in Denmark last summer people seemed to think that Michael Laudrup
would never play for the national team again; something about him not liking 
their style of play (?).  It sounded to me like it was more pride than reason.

Does anyone have any news on this situation?

It seems a pity that a player of his calibre will be forgotten because of politics.  Of
course he will be remembered in Denmark and Barcelona but unless he appears in
an international competition ...  

Another great Danish player, Alan Whatsisname, arrived a little too early to be 
really noticed, although some might argue that he inspired younger players to
make Denmark the team it is today.  That's not to say that DK the best but 
compared to where they were before they're going pretty well.

Someone claimed that Michael was one of the best players in the world which seemed 
to me to be a case of naive nationalistic arrogance (otherwise rare in Denmark:-) but I 
would love to be proven wrong.

Michael Laudrup has the chance in 1994 to make a permanent mark.

- Hans Andersen  (Ex(?)-Dane)

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: Juergen.Schaepker@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Juergen Schaepker)
Subject: Re: [RESULTS] German Clubs in Europe & 2. Bundesliga
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:37:16 GMT

timh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Timothy James Hatfield) writes:


>>Real Zaragoza - Borussia Dortmund  2:1
>>1:0  Poyet
>>1:1  Chapuisat
>>2:1  Brehme p.k.
>      ^^^^^^

>Is this Andreas Brehme (#3 for Germany) or someone else ?

Yes, it's THE Andreas Brehme that played for Germany and scored in the
WC-final '90.

Bye
From: mam18@sparrow.cs.uofs.edu (Michael A Martinov)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: C1 results
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:05:51 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing Sciences

In article <136@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP>, ohayon@jcpltyo.jcpl.co.jp (Tsiel Ohayon) writes:
> Group A:
|> 		P W D L GF GA DIF PTS
|> O. Marseille    1 1 1 0 5  2  +5   3
|> Glasgow Rangers 1 1 1 0 3  2  +1   3
|> Club Brugge     1 1 0 1 1  3  -2   2
|> CSKA Moscow     1 0 0 2 0  2  -2   0

                                 /\
                                 ||

Is this figure correct?  5+1-2-2 isn't 0.
From: centonzs@dcs.gla.ac.uk (centonzs)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: >>
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:07:05 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.
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With Nottingham Forest seemingly glued to the bottom of the Premier League,
does it seem likely that they will be relegated??

I say not. 'Tis true that the Forest defence is weaker due to the departure of
Des Walker to Italian pastures and Darren Wassall to 'sheep' pastures, and the
sale of Teddy 'Hitman' Sheringham to Spurs has weakened the attack (even tho'
we made a 100,000 pounds profit..). However Forest have continued to play
attractive football and with a reasonable slice of luck (RE (esp!) Gary Crosby's
strike against Arsenal) instead of the pooey luck we've been having recently,
we can claw our way of the foot of the league... but it may help if the teams
above us don't win when we win and we go nowhere!!

Neil Webb's return from Man Utd & the brilliant defeat of Leeds at Elland Road
give an insight of all that's bubbling under the surface and is ready to show
itself (Was Nigel offside?? - I think NOT!) Add a established striker and
there's no chance of relegation.

I know that football (Being a 'funny old game') is highly subjective, but all
supporters in the know would like to see Forest stay in the top flight because
of their attractive style of play. Personally I would like to see the likes of
Wimbledon relegated instead :-)

Of course come April I may be eating my words and be paying for a cut price 1st
Division season ticket for next season (Brian's job is safe...) but a loyal fan
of The Reds I will remain.

|> I don't think they will get relegated either, after all, Sheffield
|> United have had worse starts to the season in the last couple of years.
|> They still managed to finish mid table at the end.
|>
|> Mind you, Villa still beat them ...(manic laughter till fade...)
|>
|> Salv C.
Date: Tuesday, 15 Dec 1992 11:52:55 CET
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Rivals (or, who do ya hate?)
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)

etxjdry@caddie.ericsson.se writes:
>In article 29522@castle.ed.ac.uk, Rupert_The_Bairn@ed.ac.uk () writes:
>|puerta@mcs-next-10.stanford.edu (Angel Puerta) writes:
>|> In article <Bz3CM9.IG0@dcs.ed.ac.uk> gsin@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Garry Sinclair) writes:
>|> >

[not so important rivalries deleted]
>
>Sorry to tell you this boys, but you're both completely wrong. The rivalry
>between Svenljunga IK and Tranemo IF is world known all over the county of
>Kind (Sweden).
>
>/John
>
And then there is PVCV and FC De Meern, whose playing grounds are on the
opposite sides of the street, just halfway (well almost) Vleuten (where
PVCV is from) and De Meern.

PVCV are a class higher at the moment ;-).

Cheers,
Karel
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Subject: Re: Great Britain National Teams
From: mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell)
Date: 11 Dec 92 14:43:46 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <FROM.92Dec8234750@tuborg.nork.auc.dk>, from@nork.auc.dk (From Danmark!) writes:
> In article <1992Dec8.163523.6848@gw.wmich.edu> statlab1@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> 
>>   Here is something I have been wondering about for many years.
>>
>>   Why does FIFA and UEFA allow Great Britain to be represented with 
>>   four national teams? 
>>
>>   Why doesn't any country complain about it?
>>
>>   What do the readers of this list think about it?
>>
>>   Stavros.
> 
> Kinda makes me wonder to! Maybe it's because the game came out of Great
> Britain? First you would have to define what justifies the existence of
> a national team. I understand why Scotland have their own team. After all
> scotland has a separate football league. I don't know whether or not the
> same applies fore North. Ireland and Wales

Wales have the Konica League of Wales, Engl*nd have the Premier league AND the
football league, Scotland have the Scottish Premier League, and Northern
Ireland has the Smirnoff Irish league. All 4 have separate football
associations as well.

> But if N.I. and Wales don't
> have their own leagues, then I'd say, that their situation is similar to
> that of the Catalans (spelled right?) in Spain, except that Catalonia don't
> have a national team. Which brings me back to Stavros question :
> 
> Quote: " Why does FIFA and UEFA allow Great Britain to be represented with 
> 	 four national teams? "
> 
> I'd like to know why too!!
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
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From: minsk@chmsr.gatech.edu (Brian Minsk)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: who won Sao Paulo vs Barcelona?
Date: 13 Dec 92 15:29:59 GMT
Reply-To: minsk@chmsr.gatech.edu (Brian Minsk)
Organization: ISyE - Ga Tech

Does anyone know who won the Toyota Cup in Tokyo - Sao Paulo vs. Barcelona?

Please email me with the results - my father-in-law from Sao Paulo is dying
to know (its his favorite team).

Thanks - Brian       minsk@chmsr.gatech.edu
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From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: : Ayr United v St.Mirren
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:53:44 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell) writes:

>In article <1992Dec8.151214.1377@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>, k8wq@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (MCCALL) writes:
>> 
>> Could someone please give a more detailed report of what happened on 
>> Saturday at Somerset Park, re Ayr United v St. Mirren.  To win 2-0 was a
>> wee bit much for me but for St. Mirren to get 3 players sent off !?! A near
>> riot at Somerset ?  This intrigues me as last time there was nearly a riot
>> was when they increased the price of the pies.
>> 
>well the story goes something like this....

>in the first half, st mirren were all over united, but couldn't score, then,
>in first half injury time, Ally Graham scored for Ayr. 

A bit more..Graham promptly dropped his shorts in front of the fans.

>The second half was
>fairly quiet until the last eight minutes, when saints had a player sent off
>for a foul on Gordon Mair. 

Paul Lambert it was. He'd already been booked It was a fairly wild attempt
and probably deserved the second booking.

>The saints players thought mair had 'acted' to get
>the guy sent off. 

As did most of the St Mirren fans.

>Then Tommy walker scored for ayr to make it 2-0, then saints
>Barry Lavety was sent off for, you'll never guess, another foul on Mair.

Far less a foul than Lambert's tackle and Lavety hadn't been booked.
At this point the St Mirren fans started chanting 'Cheat!" at Mair.
Presumably the ref thought it was retaliation.

> Chic
>Charnley became saints 3rd player to get a red card for an
>off-the-ball-incident. ie, he punched out someone. That's about it really.

Inevitable I suppose. It was for spitting although no one apart from the ref
saw it.
This prompted outrage amongst the fans who started throwing stuff onto the 
pitch forcing play to stop.

After the match, Jimmy Bone cast doubts on the ref's parentage and was involved
in some sort of scuffle.
His main complaint was that an Ayrshire referee shouldn't be refereeing a
game involving an Ayrshire club.

Apologies to Stewart (and John for using his posting) for not posting this
sooner. I had a copy of the match report from the local Paisley paper (very
unbiased of course :-) ) but our scanner's bust.

Dave

Well..looks like the Saints are face life in Div2 next year :-(
They play Hamilton on Saturday who are one point behind them but with a
game in hand. A loss to Hamilton will drop them down to 4th place and a big
gap is starting to open up at the top.

Brechin..here we come!!

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Subject: Re: NORWAY
From: mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell)
Date: 14 Dec 92 10:12:14 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1992Dec12.121356.24199@dhhalden.no>, Staalebj@dh.halden (St}le Bjerkeng) writes:
> Can't aynone write somthing about the norwegian soccer!
> 
> I'd really like to hear what opinion the other countries have about 
> the norwegian soccer.
> 

judging by the performances of the national side these days, norwegian soccer
nust be in a good way....

i have seen all their games in the world cup qualifiers on tv

they should have got 20 against san marino
deserved to beat holland
should have scored more IN san marino
lucky against the english...but so what...

> 
> St}le.
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From: reds@gribb.hsr.no (Svendsen, Trygve       7-95)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: World's best referee
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:58:44 GMT
Organization: Rogaland University Centre

In article <1992Dec14.123434.20446@fel.tno.nl> leeh7@fel.tno.nl (Ed van Leeuwen) writes:
>From: leeh7@fel.tno.nl (Ed van Leeuwen)
>Subject: World's best referee
>Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:34:34 GMT

>Dear Soccerers,

>In this contest-rich time, there should be some
>room left for an award for the world's best
>referee. 

>I know: for most of the net it is easier to have
>a price for the world's worst referee, but I do
>not want to be the initiator of that.

>Any ideas?



>                                        Regards,

>                                        Ed.

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>===============================================================================

It must be that Dane, Peter Mikkelsen. Whenever I've seen him refereeing
he has created a pleasant atmosphere with the players. I can't remember a 
serious mistake either.
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From: bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring)
Subject: Re: The best defender in the world!
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 11:52:29 GMT

Staalebj@dhhalden.no (Mr. Bjerkeng) writes:

>The best defender in the world is without a doubt RUNE BRATSETH

Are you joking? What about Adri van Tiggelen (he played for Holland in Sweden
and was the best Dutch player in the tournament)?
This man has the best tackle I've ever seen, he's experienced with his 35
years, he's still very fast and, although a very thin man, physically very
strong. His nickname in Holland is 'de spijker', which means 'the nail' (a
nail on which you smash a hammer, not the kind on top of your finger).

Van Tiggelen was also part of the Dutch team that became European Champions
in 1988. He now plays for PSV and next year probably will be his last year
to play. You'll see him again in the Champions League (he was suspended against
Milan, for a red card against Porto).

Greetings!


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From: andres@minerva.ece.drexel.edu (Andres Lebaudy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: top ten teams in the world
Date: 12 Dec 92 16:42:41 GMT
Organization: Drexel University, Philadelphia PA

>: |> You must be too young not to have ever seen Pele play.  Gi'me a break,
>: |> I'd rather have one Pele in my team than 2 Maradona.
>: |>
>: |> Nelson Muller
>: 
>: Remember one thing:  Pele played 20 years ago, while Maradona is a player of today, in a much
>: tougher football environment.  Therefore, Maradona is the player of all times.
>: 
>
>	Much as I hate to get involved in some yesnoyesnoyes cascade, I
>have to agree with Nelson about this one. It's easy to imagine that the
>football played today is somehow "tougher" than it was 20 years ago,
>but this is only due to improved physical conditioning, improved
>training techniques, improved footballs (! yes, amazing but true) etc.
>Anyone who tries to say that Pele played 20 years ago and so wouldn't
>be the best player in the world if in his prime today is missing the
>point that today Pele would have access to the improved techniques of
>preparation in the modern game. And he would stand a head and shoulders
>above Maradona, Mattheus et al. He had it all, skill, vision, strength,
>ability in the air or on the ground, was a great leader and a great
>sportsman.
>

Unfortunately for me, I haven't had the pleasure of seeing Pele play, so
I'm in no position to make an argument for either side.  Even though I
am a native of Argentina and hence, heavily biased towards the Maradona
side, I'm willing to conceded that Pele was the better player.  However,
you would have to be absolutely insane to take *one* Pele over *two*
Maradona.  Pele would have to be at least twice as good as Maradona.
This, I'm afraid, is simply impossible.


Andres