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From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Rollie's assistants in the news
Keywords:  Villanova, Xavier, Loyola Marymount
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:08:51 GMT

jfw1@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (james.f.whitehead) writes:

> The local paper (Asbury Park Press, for you Springsteen fans)
> carried a small item to the effect that Villanova and Pete Gillen had
> met about Rollie's old job there.

> Anybody know more?

ESPN reported that Villanova made an offer to Gillen which was less than
what he now makes at Xavier.  He came back with a counter offer.  They
expect the two parties to work things out.


Mark




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From: dwest@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dan West)
Subject: Re: Mr. Basketball: How many repeats?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:09:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.052028.29835@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> mthorpe@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Matthew Thorpe) writes:
>
>   I was wondering how many H.S. players have been named Mr. Basketball
> (or whatever it is called in each state) more than once.  Someone
> told me that Chris Corchiani was Mr. B twice in Florida.
> Are there any more?
>
>-thorpe

	Jimmy Jackson was twice in Ohio.



-- 
					... Dan West
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From: msherrick@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: CBS: NCAA TV better than NFL?
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:58:42 GMT

I, like many writers, am not all that happy with the quality of CBS's 
NCAA TV coverage. Nevertheless, I would argue that NCAA coverage is 
generally much superior to TV coverage of the NFL. No matter how big 
the other games, fans are force fed the local NFL team whether they want 
it or not. Also, there is relatively little game switching with the 
NFL broadcasts. By contrast, the bigger game was usually offered by 
CBS in the early rounds of the NCAA, and they always tried to show the 
end of exciting games. Thus, I would argue that the TV coverage of the 
NCAA was generally better than that of the NFL. Comments?

Mike Sherrick

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From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Re: Laettner on Arsenio Hall
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:05:35 GMT
Organization: My Daddy, My Doggy, and Me
X-Bytes: 

Normally, the topics to which this newsgroup sinks not only don't disturb
me -- some of them are actually sophomorically funny. However, the 
variations on "Christian Laettner is gay thread" are not only unfunny,
stale and infantile, they betray a nastiness that really should be
confined, one piously hopes, to the confessional. Gay bashing is not
just uncool...it's as vile as racism. You may think that there's
nothing wrong with it: Laettner is obviously heterosexual, it's just
a little school yard taunting. But intolerance is on the rise in this
country and I'd hope, at least, that a forum dedicated to sports and
fun could be a little refuge from it. 

If that is insufficient to stem those posts, then please recall that Laettner 
is no longer part of the college game....take it somewhere else.
-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu>  
You know, there's many a damned fool woulda swallered that.
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From: bd344@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael N Bastedo)
Subject: duke bashing:  please give it a rest
Reply-To: bd344@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael N Bastedo)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 18:14:46 GMT


(ms. linda, still in a state of joy over the amazing blue devils)

would you people please give it a rest?  "oh, they should have lost to
kentucky."  "oh, they should have lost to indiana."  "oh, they only won
because the ncaa wants them to."  "oh, they only play so well because billy
packer likes them."  all this crap about officiating is pure sour grapes,
and it doesn't fool anyone.  i'm sick and tired of this.  duke won.  you
hate laettner?  you hate hurley?  they took this game against michigan 
because of a TEAM effort, including solid contributions from both hills,
parks, lang, etc.  laettner is not duke.  i'm sorry michigan lost.  i felt
bad for them.  but all this bitching and moaning about officiating is really
stupid and annoying.  duke worked their ASSES off to win this championship,
and they won it, and they deserved it.  the people who constantly ride 
laettner about being a bad sport could stand a little work themselves on
graciousness when you lose.  

i'm sorry, i was just very annoyed, and i wish people would knock it off.

"root for the dream team...fight, blue devils, fight."

                                               --ms. linda  
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: IU's comeback.
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:34:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr6.113437.10675
Distribution: na
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin - Madison
Originator: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Apr6.145432.2918@meaddata.com> bobj@meaddata.com (Robert Jones) writes:
>
>Is the Big 10 going to be the Big 2 next year or what?  IU loses only
>Anderson and Meeks, and I think we've heard enough about how great the
>Fab 5 are.

Ohio State will have enough returning talent to give people some fits.
Iowa brings back their entire team, and although their talent is never
respected, all that experience could result in a contender.  Michigan State
has enough guns that they could pull another 1990 - and IMHO, they may be
better off without Steininga (he screwed up a lot this year).  Minnesota
has most their team back, and if they learn to win on the road, watch out.
Purdue has a lot of young talent plus a JUCO, and could make a quick move
if these people contribute right away.  Wisconsin probably can't contend
but will have the best backcourt in the conference, which will certainly
give some teams trouble.  Illinois probably has about the same chances as
Wisconsin, although they will have some shooters in Wheeler, Pierce, and
maybe Kaufmann.  Northwestern, as usual, will be lucky to win 4 games.

Now to justify my Wisconsin backcourt arguement before someone flames me
for it:  Webster is the only true point guard left in the Big 10 next year.
Rose and King are good, but neither are true ball-handlers.  Reynolds and
Bailey/Graham could be OK, but we know how consistent they are.  With
Webster and Finley, I think that Wisconsin has the edge.  Now for some
inside players...

-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Spurs -- UNLV/San Antonio?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:02:11 GMT

	Now that Tarkanian is coaching the San Antonio Spurs, think he might
	add some former UNLV players to his squad?  Let's explore the
	possibilities:

	He's already got Sidney Green.
	He could convince Reggie Theus to come back from Europe.
	He could trade for Armon Gilliam (quite possible)
	He could trade for Larry Johnson, Stacy Augmon, and Greg Anthony
	(quite impossible)
	He could pick up Anderson Hunt & Freddie Banks from the CBA.

	The Spurs -- Runnin' Rebels-South.  :)

	Jazzy J
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From: George.Harris@bbs.oit.unc.edu (George Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Congraduate to Duke.....NOT!
Date: 11 Apr 92 21:18:07 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <12005@ns-mx.uiowa.edu> welin@icaen.uiowa.edu (Wentsung Lin) writes:
>
>The college Basketball season finally over, and this year's big
>winner is the NCAA and the ref's.  No, Duke did NOT win the Final
>Four.  Other teams just lost to the ref's.
>
>One final thought, I have no respect for those who try to make up
>stupid excuses instead admitting the wrong doings.  

	Does anyone else find the juxtaposition of these two statements to
be hilarious?  First Lin is making up stupid excuses as to why Indiana and
Michigan lost, and then claims to have no respect for those who make stupid
excuses.  Take out a loan and lease a clue!

>W.T.L.
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From: dwest@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dan West)
Subject: Re: Gillen spurns another suiterJust as he had done to job offers from Notre Dame and Virginia, and
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:47:20 GMT

In article WELACK@MIAMIU.BITNET writes:
>interview offers from Ohio State and Texas A&M, Pete Gillen told Villanova
                       ^^^^^^^^^^
	I haven't heard this but I assume that this is for a assnt.
position.

-- 
					... Dan West
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From: Robert Poortinga <poorting@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: knight out at IU
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 10:54:51 -0500

In article <1992Apr9.185344.14073@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> bernstei@acorn.. (James Bernstein) writes:
>Pat Knight, that is.  The 6-6 redshirt sophomore was kicked off the team  
>by His Old Man, The Mentor, after he had been arrested for public  
>intoxication early Wednesday morning.

Ok, let's start a contest.  Where will Pat Knight transfer to?  I'll stick
my neck out and state flatly that he will go to Evansville and play for Jim
Crews.  Of course, Pat's dad may see things differently and send him to
Miami to play for Drill Sgt. Joby Wright to get a little discipline in his
life.

Any other ideas out there?


Bob "Mr. Charisma" Poortinga
(poorting@silver.ucs.indiana.edu)
From: n5ppm264 (Charlie Board)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: NCAA by conf. 80-92
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:55:44 GMT
Organization: bnr

In article <rslltINNb8e@agate.berkeley.edu>, cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu (Ryne Sandberg) writes:
> 
> 
> Indiana     12- 8-4-3-2        24-10
> Iowa        11- 4-2-1-0        15-12
> Illinois     9- 4-2-1-0        11- 9
> Purdue       9- 2-1-1-0        10- 9
> Ohio St.     8- 4-1-0-0        10- 8
> Michigan     7- 3-2-2-1        17- 6
> Mich. St.    5- 2-0-0-0         6- 5
> Minnesota    3- 3-1-0-0         6- 3
> 
> Keady and Henson have taken a lot of heat for not doing well in the tournament.
> It seems all Big-10 teams have similar win-loss ratio except Indiana and
> Michigan with the 2 recent runs. Iowa has been to the tournament 12 straight
> times! Indiana missed once but somehow they have 10 losses + 2 crowns = 12??
> I dont know if Ayers will share the heat for failing to reach the FF with 2
> consecutive B10 champs.
> 
> 
Well, 1980-92 is 13 seasons so Indiana does add up (2 titles+10 losses+
1 at-home=13).

As for Iowa, where in the world did you get that 12 straight figure? 
Try 2. They missed in 1990 and 1984. Maybe you heard something about
12 straight post-season..no, that wouldn't work either because if they
made the NIT in '84 & '90, they would have AT LEAST 13 straight 
post-seasons (they not only appeared in '80 but made the final 4).
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From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Subject: Re: Rollie named as UNLV coach!?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:44:34 GMT

In article <11991.29e04b9f@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> egras@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:

>Generally the players at Villanova were very intelligant and
>articulate.  Most players chose Villanova for its academic reputation
>(I beleive its admission requirements are around 1100-1150 minimum SAT
>score.)

	You'd be hard-pressed to find more than six basketball players
in Villanova with this high SAT score...

	I'd say the average score of 950 would be more like it for
most of the players...

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From: mjk@icf.hrb.com (Michael J. Kelley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Championship Game notes
Date: 7 Apr 92 07:24:30 GMT
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.

Notes from tonights game:

Both teams weren't at 100 % and the coaches had to make adjustments to their
games as far as substitutions and matchups went. 

I felt that both teams were well prepared for the game. Michigan did an 
outstanding job in shutting down the Duke fastbreak.  

Duke did a much better job on the boards than they did against Michigan in 
the game played earlier in the season. Grant Hill had some outstanding
offensive tip-ins. (A case of the forwards not boxing out. To eager to get out
on the break.) 

Duke did a great job getting back on defense and didn't allow Michigan to get
any transition baskets. Especially in the first half when Duke shot the ball so
poorly. 

I don't understand why Michigan didn't shoot the ball from the outside more.
Jackson swished a three early in the game. Michigan just didn't seem to be
looking for the jumper. They tried to drive or jam it inside. I think they 
were trying so hard to take advantage of the mismatch on Hurley or trying to
get the ball into Weber that they weren't looking for anything else.
(Weber did the most damage in their first meeting by rebounding missed shots 
and sticking them back in.) 

Michigan did such a nice job moving the ball around against Cinci and it just
wasn't happening tonight. I think maybe the freshman each wanted to be the
hero and tried to do too much instead of letting the came come to them. It also
could have been the incredible pressure applied by the Duke defense. Duke's
defense has been tenacious all year long and was definitely a factor tonight. 

In looking at both teams, 9 out of the 10 starters will be back next year. The
only non-returner being Leatner and with Parks taking over for C.L., Both teams 
should be tough next year. 
 
                                                              Mike Kelley
                                                              HRB Systems
                                                              St. College, Pa.

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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: WOLVERINE'S can PLAY the game!
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:06:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.141634.3697@gw.wmich.edu> x90townsen12@gw.wmich.edu writes:

   The Wolverines can talk the game, but can they play the game?

   Believe me, they can PLAY the game!

   Now there's only one last team to convince.

   Duke is goin' down!

Jim O, this guy isn't from Ann Arbor, so it doesn't count against us, does
it?

Bill
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From: yl44729@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ricker)
Subject: Re: Kentucky News & a little Duke stuff
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:13:34 GMT

fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:

>Also, Pitino reported recently, that were Mashburn to be ranked in the
>top 5 next year of potential draft choices, he would counsel the
>Benign Mash to move on. Curious addendum: Pitino receive 0 votes
>for Coach of the Year honors among AP voters. And Mash received 0
>votes for POY. In tournament play, through 4 games, Mash was the leading
>scorer and 2nd in rebounding. Eheu. Weeping and gnashing of teeth. "There 
>is no justice!" cry the rocks our tears spill upon.


What's more outrageous is that Bob Huggins of the Cincinnati Bearcats wasn't
even a finalist.  I thought that for sure he'd be a contender for Coach
of the Year.  How about the Tulane head coach, I thought he would get a few
votes too, but he didn't.
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From: keving@ecs.comm.mot.com (DX557 Kevin Gay)
Subject: Re: Gritter's Purdue Hoop Scoop
Organization: trunking_terms
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:19:44 GMT


It's about time to start looking at Keady's ability to "develop" players
throughout college - he makes good teams from mediocre talent - but it's
very difficult to point out examples of players whose overall game he
really improved more than playing at Div I would do anyways.  However,
there have been sveral complete failures (Trice, McNary, Riley, Clyburn,
Painter, and so on ) especially recently.  This is evident by the lack
of Boiler alums with significant playing time at the pro level - you can't
tell me BJ Armstrong was better than Everette Stephens or that Matt Bullard
should be playing regurlarly while Jimmy Oliver awaits the axe.

Seems all the blame falls on the "attitude" of the player or his 
inconsistency - excuse them for being human.  I admire Keady's integrity and
"team" concept - but wasting athletes like Trice is no fault but the
coaches.

KJG
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: What a crappy Championship game
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:18:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Apr7.205438.7465@talon.ucs.orst.edu> navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre -- Botany and Plant Pathology) writes:
>if the opposition play like a bunch of stiffs.  Still this has to be one of the
>weakest championship teams ever to have such a dominating season. I'm not so
>much knocking Duke, as I am knocking the rest of college basketball.  Lets
>hope for a better year next year.

How come so many people are saying this(specifically people at work but other
guys on the net too)? Look at Duke's club for a minute, Laettner, G. Hill and
Parks are #1 picks, all but Parks certain lottery picks(and I think he'll be
one too). T. Hill can probably be a #1, Hurley will be(if Bogues was Hurley
will be). Davis and Lang aren't exactly chopped liver, and this team beat 
UNLV last year with essentially the same club and Vegas had 3 high picks last
draft, plus Elmore Spencer who'll be a #1 this year. Duke is loaded with 
talent. I think they just wore down a bit, but they beat a team with bigtime
talent by 20 points, I see nothing wrong with that.

>Anyone see the comments about the officiating on Firestone's show?
>They all seemed to agree that the refs were way to tight, and that the
>NCAA should loosen em up. In particular they seemed to think the technical
>against Knight was ridiculous--and very costly at a critical point in the game.


The Knight T I agree with, and as I already posted I thought Inidana got the
raw deal against Duke, but in the game with Michigan I really didn't see
much wrong with the officiating. The one call that I wanted to see that wasn'ty
made was on the opening tip when Laettner hit/grabbed Webber's wrist and then
backtapped to his teammate.This is about the 3rd team I've seen him do it and
pull it off. Chris Mullin does it alot, but recently got called for a foul
when doing(which according to the rules it is foul) and so he's being more
careful. I would have liked to see that called just to prove the refs were
watching Laettner closely, since he does do alot of things the refs seem to
miss. I didn't see more than a couple of elbows and one blow to the head
on a scree from him, but I saw just as much from the Michigan kids.

The game wasn't pretty but it was still entertaining, i wanted Michigan to
win but I respect Duke for what they accomplished. They have a great program
although they still got aways to go to match John Wooden's records.



Russ Smith
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From: yl44729@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ricker)
Subject: Re: Dilemma
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:33:42 GMT

fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:

>Interesting dilemma:

>Imagine a college player who steals a car and is sent to jail.
>Off he goes. End of career. Imagine a 14 year old who joy rides in
>a car with his buddies. They are caught and he is sent to a detention
>center for a couple of weeks. Does the kid have a record? What would
>you think of your coach if he later recruited him? Or an opposing
>coach? Would "your" coach be doing the compassionate thing and
>an "opposing" coach be doing a cynical win-at-any-cost thing?
>Is there an age limit for that sort of crime? 15? 16? What if the
>kid was a brawler. Does violence earn the kid the ash heap? What if
>it was violence connected with drugs? Or sex? Several years ago,
>there was an 11 year old on our street pushing a baby carriage:
>what if one of these 14 year old fathers, unable to cope with the
>stress of fatherhood, knifes the girl during an argument about
>whether or not she should have the baby? Crime, we are constantly
>reminded, is increasing. I have heard statistics that indicate
>that at least 1 in 9 black kids will eventually do time. That is
>flabbergasting. So, where is this post going? To a concrete 
>example.

>A kid from Louisville signed with South Carolina last fall. A swingman
>with enormous potential. His girl friend broke up with him and in
>a fit of depression, he broke into her apartment, stabbed her, and
>then attempted suicide. South Carolina immediately dropped him cold.
>In the detention center, he finished up his high school requirements,
>got some much needed counseling, passed his ACT boards, and is now
>ready, but for what? What is the wisdom of the net on his situation?
>There was an article in the local paper on him and his troubles. 
>He seems intelligent and more articulate than one would expect. He
>doesn't shirk his responsibility and has apologized to South Carolina
>for "embarrassing" the institution. So, imagine you're a coach and
>the kid approaches you for a shot. What would you do?
>-- 
>Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu>  



Life is tough and sometimes you don't get a 2nd chance.  It's a very 
unfortunate situation, but he blew it and now he'll pay for it.  You can't
blame South Carolina for dropping him.
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