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From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: The Malcolm X movie
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:50:36
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
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Just saw it.

It wasn't long enough.

I loved it.

Oscars all around.

Wow.  I just sat thru 3.5 hours and didn't realize it.

Remember, we don't notice history until its passed us by.

--
Peace.
     "If we do not succeed, then we run the risk of failure."
                -- Vice President Dan Quayle, to the Phoenix Republican
                   Forum, March 1990
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From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Supreme Court and Homosexuality
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:52:48
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
	<1992Nov16.141632.11832@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
	<1992Nov16.183233.806@athena.cs.uga.edu>
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In-reply-to: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu's message of Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:32:33 GMT

heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:
	   Actually, the GA sodomy law does not single out same sex
|couples in the letter of the law. It simply outlaws sodomy (defined as
|anal or oral sex, basically). It is usually applied only in the cases
|of same sex couples (straights who get caught making out in the back
|seat of the car just get a tap on the window and told to "go home").
	   The letter of the law makes it just as applicable to straight
|couples, and even straight married couples, as it allows the state
|access to the bedrooms of every citizen regardless of sexual
|orientation. In that sense, the law itself does not discriminate.

|	   Oh, yeah. Right.  >:-(

Actually The whole thing got quite a bit of publicity about four years
ago when the Atlanta Journal/Constitution revealed the story of a man
who had already spent 17 months in jail for having (consensual) oral
sex... with his wife!

Anyway, the Attorney General fo Ga says that in any given year there
are one or two folks in jail for "sodomy" some straight some gay.

Remember many folks take sodomy to be the more biblical definition:
sex or sex-like acts (oral and/or anal sex) without the intent of
procreation. 
--
Peace.
               "I never heard of them.  But I know that rap is the
                music where it rhymes."
                         -President Bush on rapper Ice Cube, May 1992
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: cmort@ncoast.org (Chris Morton)
Subject: Re: More gun control!
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american
Organization: Northcoast Unix
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:52:33 GMT

In article <5017.117.uupcb@travel.com>, carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl
Camurca) wrote:
> 
> NA>Subject: Re: More gun control.
> 
> Look at the gun injuries in countries with very restrictive gun laws,
> i.e. Germany. They are non-existent.

Look at the firearms accident statistics for the US.  They have shown a
steady decline.  What's your point?

And if you want to examine statistics, how about the ones relating to
violent racial attacks occurring against people AT HOME.  It's disturbingly
common in the UK and in Germany.  You don't see it here.  Why?  Because if
somebody tries to kick my door down to night and beat or stab me to death,
I'll SHOOT them.  That's NOT an option open to a Nigerian in London, or a
Vietnamese in Rostock.  Unless the police in the UK have recently bought
transporters or the Polizei have decided to CARE, these folks are in a
world of hurt when somebody attacks.  They are ON THEIR OWN, with NO means
of defense.  Sounds like an attractive proposition to me....
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.legal
Subject: Redistricting
Date: 21 Nov 92 21:28:03 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Nov21.210731.22108@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dpollard@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dennis B Pollard) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.120402.1@acad2.alaska.edu> fsars@acad2.alaska.edu writes:
>>Blacks (and other minorities) are already getting districts redrawn so
>>that they get representation in governing bodies in the United States.
>
>It remains amazing to me that the enforcement of federal voting rights is 
>considered by some to be something which only benefits Blacks.  

First, the federal voting rights in question were a recent creation of
the Congress.

And, no, of course it's not the case that the racial gerrymanderingcurrently
required only benefits blacks.  Republicans benefit also.  So do lawyers.  And
programmers who design redistricting software. 

>Moreover, even 
>if such were true arguendo, it is not the job of Blacks to compel the federal 
>government to enforce its laws.  Blacks do not get benefits in society for 
>getting that which they rightfully deserve.

I, for one, am concerned about the current definition of voting rights.
It seems to imply that only a black can represent blacks -- which is an
impoverished notion of representation, and leads one to the corollary that
only a white could represent whites, etc.  
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Subject: Re: More gun control.
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 20:15:25 GMT

In article <1e7diuINNelm@news.aero.org> helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman) writes:
>In article <1992Nov15.034442.22948@oracle.us.oracle.com> you write:
>>In article <1d4udqINN9i7@news.aero.org> helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman) writes:
>>>What I propose is making possession of ANY handgun at ANY time ANYWHERE
                                             ^^^^^^^  
>>>OUTSIDE YOUR OWN HOME a serious felony with serious mandatory time.

How nice. And how are we supposed to practice with the damn things. I suspect
the neighbors would not be amused if I decided to practice inside the house.

>Yes, I am as familiar as you are with the Constitution and the Bill of
>Rights. I've been an ACLU member for at least 20 years. We specialize in
>that stuff, as you're probably aware.

No, the ACLU seems to think that there is only one Amendment in the Bill of
Rights, the first. They haven't done anything on search and seizure (RICO)
or the Fifth lately.

>I don't see any difference between keeping handguns OFF the streets and
>making it illegal to shout 'fire' in a crowded theatre. They are both
>a reasonable limitation that balances the absolute Constitutional
>right with a citizen's need to feel safe and secure in his person and
>property.

I do. And so do man others. Besides which, the problem with firearms is that
criminals use them. It's already illegal to use firearms in commission of
a crime. Criminals don't obey the existing laws; what makes you think they
will obey new laws. If they obeyed the laws, they wouldn't be criminals, would
they?


-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
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From: moncrg@aix.rpi.edu (Gregory Donald Moncreaff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.legal
Subject: Re: D.C. Statehood
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:29:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY

is there any capital district in any modern state that has no
residential areas? outside of the official residences of some
of our elected officials, is it even desirable to have people
residing in the capital? if the founding fathers designed the
street layout so that they roads were wide enough to hold off
mobs with a few armed men, you would have thought they would
have planned the other bit too. it probably would have cut
down on graft, if ever so slightly, also...
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From: spinoza@next06wor.wam.umd.edu (Yon Bonnie Laird of Cairn Robbing)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.legal
Subject: Re: D.C. Statehood
Date: 21 Nov 92 05:27:21 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <BxzC0J.GzF@unix.amherst.edu> ddsokol@unix.amherst.edu (D.  
DANIEL SOKOL) writes:
> How about just incorporating DC into back into Maryland and thus solving  
all
> of the problems.  DC gets its senators and congressmen and nobody has to  
worry
> about giving NY City and LA their own seats in the senate.
> -Danny Sokol
> Amherst College
Not to rain on your parade or anything, but what makes you think that  
Maryland would particularly want it back? 
The state just had to cut $150 million from the budget (from education  
budgets in Prince Georges and Montgomery counties, actually), and they'll  
have to either raise taxes again, or cut more spending to make everything  
balance. At this stage of the game, the District of Columbia would merely  
be another drain on tax revenues, not to mention the problem of being the  
murder capital of the country. Oh, and then there's the fact that half of  
D.C. was donated by Virginia, which, though it might want the D.C.  
football team (the Redskins), it seems a lot less enthused about getting  
the District itself......................



shalom

jeff
From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: More gun control!
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:47:56 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <5017.117.uupcb@travel.com> carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) writes:
>NA>Subject: Re: More gun control.

>Look at the gun injuries in countries with very restrictive gun laws,
>i.e. Germany. They are non-existent.

For another example, let's look at Mexico - right next door and laws
even mroe restrictive than Germany's.  Ooops.  They have plenty of gun
injuries.  Maybe your idea isn't so good after all.

>Don't you think, the danger of an explosion will _de_crease with
>increasing the amount of dynamite piled?

I guess you know as little abot dynamite as about guns.  Dynamite is
pretty stable.  Increasing the size ofd the pile has little or no
effect on the likelihood of explosion.  What you do have to do is keep
it away from fires and other explosions.  That's easier for one big
pile than many little piles.




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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: Could this possible be true?!
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 12:47:10 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american

As quoted from <3339@voodoo.UUCP> by das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz):

> This definitely is one of the most bizarre rumors I've heard recently:
> 
> A friend this weekend told me that an acquaintance of his from Missisippi
> told him that there is a movement in the South by the KKK and others of their
> ilk to reinstitute slavery!  Anyone heard of this?

ANYTHING is possible.  Major Owens introduced a bill to repeal the 2nd 
Amendment too.  I wouldn't worry TOO much about it.

Besides, I have an acquaintance at Colt.  I'll bet a Malcom X commemorative
CAR-15 would sell like hotcakes.... :)

Seriously, you can propose to vote on anything.  You can even go so far as to
vote to do ANYTHING.  Actually DOING it gets more complicated when somebody
kills you every time you try.  Nobody's going to stand for such a thing,
including a lot of Whites.

This just sounds like the typical ranting of the fringe of the White supremacist
fringe.  It isn't even the STRANGEST thing I've heard in the last six months.

I'm Co-Moderator of FidoNet RTKBA (Right to Keep and Bear Arms).  We recently
pitched a whole boatload of Posse Comitatus types out of the echo (group) who
refused to obey the rules.  One of their infractions was to post large amounts
of deranged information regarding how the government was "persecuting" the
White supremacist that was involved in the shootout with Federal Marshals in
Idaho.  One of their claims was that the HUNGARIAN ARMY was on maneuvers in
Idaho, practicing to do all sorts of nefarious things, presumably including
gun control, miscegnation, and fluoridation of the water.

These folks are just $0.50 shy of a dollar upstairs.  I wouldn't ignore them
completely, but there are REAL dangers a LOT closer to home....


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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:38:58 EST
From: Windsor A. Morgan <NHT@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.legal
Subject: Re: D.C. Statehood
Distribution: usa
 <1992Nov16.191434.29445@cbnewse.cb.att.com>
 <1992Nov19.040730.8038@henson.cc.wwu.edu>

In article <1992Nov19.040730.8038@henson.cc.wwu.edu>, n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu
(James Douglas Del-Vecchio) says:

>ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis) writes:

>>who cares about this "homeland" thing, this isn't south africa.  the issue,as
>> it, is to give full constitutional rights to people living in the district
>>columbia as are accorded people in alaska, wyoming, rhode island, etc.  these
>>hts would apply to *all* living in the non-federal areas of d.c. regardless
>>their ancestry.  the fact that current residents of d.c. are mostly af-am is
>>why people like pat buchanan [who called d.c. statehood as two "affirmative
>>action seats in the senate"], et. al. are opposed to it.  sounds like
>>racism to

>An excellent reson to oppose it is that it would mean that people in
>L.A., NY, or anywhere else would have only a fraction of the voting
>power as people in DC.

>Two Senators for that one town would be a real injustice,
>...unless of course, every other comparably large city will also
>get two new Senators of their very own in the bargain.

>Two brand new Senators for every Rockford Illinois in America,
>Four each for Detroit and Seattle, etc, etc, etc...

Of course that won't happen, but what is wrong with an amendment to the
Constitution granting the District the number of U.S. representatives that
it would normally be entitled to (with full voting powers, not just a
delegate), and not granting the District any Senators?

'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.legal
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Motives (was Re: The origin of AIDS)
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:41:30 GMT
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	<BD.92Nov17072042@fluent.UUCP> <ISBELL.92Nov17230217@panther.ai.mit.edu>
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH

isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:

>bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:
>|isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:
>|>How's this:  I'll bet all you smart people can come up with five
>|>reasons why someone would try to create or distribute this disease.
>
>|I notice, however, that *you* are unable to come with
>|a single one.
>
>No, you noticed that *I* did not list any.  This does not mean that I
>cannot come up with any or that I have not come up with any.  I'm
>sure, upon reflection, that you will see the difference.  
>
>In fact, coming up with reasons aren't too difficult.  One only has to
>explain the behaviour of participants in the Tuskegee Experiment, the
>gassing of kurds, the cleansing of "inferior" tribes in former
>Yugoslavia, the herding and systemic killing of Native Americans, the
>SS and any of a number of such events.  No matter what side of the
>Aids Conspiracy Theory(tm) you land on (or if you don't really care,
>like me), there is hardly a dearth of precedents for abominations.

And yet, when directly challenged to list some motivations (a challenge
you set for yourself, I might add), you list a bunch of previous
abominations and somehow expect that to prove your case.

Your post doesn't address the one issue it purports to address - what
is the supposed rationale for the invention/distribution of the AIDS
virus?

-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
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From: fsars@acad3.alaska.edu (Allen R Sparks)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.legal
Subject: Re: D.C. Statehood
Date: 22 Nov 92 01:47:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: acad3.1992Nov21.174724.1
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

In article <17109@umd5.umd.edu>, spinoza@next06wor.wam.umd.edu (Yon Bonnie Laird of Cairn Robbing) writes:
> Not to rain on your parade or anything, but what makes you think that  
> Maryland would particularly want it back? 
> The state just had to cut $150 million from the budget (from education  
> budgets in Prince Georges and Montgomery counties, actually), and they'll  
> have to either raise taxes again, or cut more spending to make everything  
> balance. At this stage of the game, the District of Columbia would merely  
> be another drain on tax revenues, not to mention the problem of being the  
> murder capital of the country. Oh, and then there's the fact that half of  
> D.C. was donated by Virginia, which, though it might want the D.C.  
> football team (the Redskins), it seems a lot less enthused about getting  
> the District itself......................

Virginia's donation was returned.  Only Maryland's donation is still a
part of D.C.  I got it mixed up BTW, and received some email
correcting my last post.  Thanks to all.

As for your other arguments about tax revenues, you're probably right.
I don't think that D.C. has much of a tax base.  Congress does pour a
lot of money into that area though.  That's why I don't feel that the
residents are oppressed as some would have you believe.  === Al Sparks
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: lashlepi@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Phillip Lashley)
Subject: Re: Motives (was Re: The origin of AIDS)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:13:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

From nstn.ns.ca!news.cs.indiana.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!bu.edu!dartvax!fluent!fluent!bd Fri Nov 20 18:40:18 AST 1992
Article: 939 of soc.culture.african.american
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Motives (was Re: The origin of AIDS)
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:41:30 GMT
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Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH

isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:

>bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:
>|isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:
>|>How's this:  I'll bet all you smart people can come up with five
>|>reasons why someone would try to create or distribute this disease.
>
>|I notice, however, that *you* are unable to come with
>|a single one.
>
>No, you noticed that *I* did not list any.  This does not mean that I
>cannot come up with any or that I have not come up with any.  I'm
>sure, upon reflection, that you will see the difference.  
>
>In fact, coming up with reasons aren't too difficult.  One only has to
>explain the behaviour of participants in the Tuskegee Experiment, the
>gassing of kurds, the cleansing of "inferior" tribes in former
>Yugoslavia, the herding and systemic killing of Native Americans, the
>SS and any of a number of such events.  No matter what side of the
>Aids Conspiracy Theory(tm) you land on (or if you don't really care,
>like me), there is hardly a dearth of precedents for abominations.

And yet, when directly challenged to list some motivations (a challenge
you set for yourself, I might add), you list a bunch of previous
abominations and somehow expect that to prove your case.

Your post doesn't address the one issue it purports to address - what
is the supposed rationale for the invention/distribution of the AIDS
virus?

-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
From: mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: IGNORE STROMER!!!!!
Date: 24 Nov 92 02:16:52 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <kf4J7s200iUzE6PEwR@andrew.cmu.edu> wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu (William Karamo Motley) writes:
$BROTHERS AND SISTERS,
$
$
$PEOPLE, IGNORE STROMER!!!!!!
$
$
$HE GETS OFF ON THIS ATTENTION WE GIVE HIM. 
$ANY POST OF HIS IS NOT WORTH A RESPONSE.
$

Even if it's so stupid, that it's funny?



-- 
Malcolm Diallo Moore, CIS-Univ. of Minn.                mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu
				            	    moor0009@student.tc.umn.edu
"Aww, nigga! You know you all that and a          malcolm@mermaid.micro.umn.edu
	bowl o' grits!!"  - Ice Cube       
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Subject: Re: More gun control!
Organization: Bowling Green State University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:16:02 GMT

<What's wrong with a concealed weapon?....stuff deleted..Or do you consider
<it a better idea for me to walk down the street with my M-1 Grand slung over
<my shoulder than to have my Glock concealed?

	If you are not an undercover cop why the hell would you carry 
a concealed weapon? Would it make you feel macho? 

Chris Hill