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From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: Notre Dame vs. Florida State in 1993
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:21:02 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

I'm kind of surprised that teh Citrus Bowl doesn't try to get at least one game
played there per year during the regular season.  It would be a pretty good bet
that they would seel the place out any time they could land one of the Florida 
teams (Miami, Florida or Florida State - 3.5 if you count Division I-AA UCF!)  
didn't they get Florida/Mississippi State a year or two ago?  Why was there so 
							      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
little noise made then about Florida refusing to play on the road?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


As I recall, it was Mississippi State who decided to move the game, purely for
$$$ considerations.  Their stadium in Starkville only holds around 35,000 or so,
thus the paycheck promised by the Citrus Bowl was too good for them to refuse.
Florida didn't mind because a road game became much more like a home game.  As
for FSU/Notre Dame, I guess it would be economically beneficial for FSU to move
the game to Orlando or Jacksonville.  BUT for FSU it rankles a bit as they only
recently have been able to reasonably ask other teams to play on a home and home
basis.  Bobby Bowden didn't become King of the road by choice.  If we wanted to
play the Nebraskas and the Michigans, we had to go to their stadiums, usually
with no return game in Tallahassee.  So it is real tempting, as a Nole fan, to
want to tell any team who won't agree to a home and home schedule where to go.
Now that Doak Campbell will (very soon now!) hold 72,000, that should be 
reasonably large enough to expect teams to come to Tallahassee.

Sorry for the tirade, I was really only going to answer the UF/Miss. State issue!

D. Head
From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Need computer game recommendations
Date: 16 Nov 92 07:00:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov16.070044.17414
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Well, I just bought an IBM clone to use on my dissertation, so naturally
I need to buy some computer games now.  Any recommendations on football, 
basketball, baseball, or hockey games would be appreciated.  Please reply
via e-mail.

GT
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From: jsnow@javelin.sim.es.com (John Snow)
Subject: BYU Update: BYU vs. Iowa in Copper Bowl?
Keywords: BYU football
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:08:11 GMT

The bowl picture for BYU is becoming a little clearer. The bowl BYU
goes to is still dependent upon who wins this weekend, but the
opponents in the various bowls have essentially been chosen.

Holiday Bowl - will take the winner of Saturday's Michigan State vs.
Illinois game no matter if the winner ends up as the 3rd place Big 10
team or not.

Aloha Bowl - Kansas is the likely opponent in the Aloha Bowl.

Copper Bowl - The Iowa Hawkeyes will secure an invitation to the
Copper Bowl if they beat Minnesota this Saturday. Iowa could end up as
the 3rd place Big 10 team which would have put them in the Holiday
bowl but they have been granted a release from the Holiday bowl in
order to negotiate a guaranteed spot in the Copper bowl.

If BYU meets Iowa in the Copper Bowl, it would be a rematch of last
year's Holiday Bowl in which BYU and Iowa tied 13-13.

--John


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From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: RSFC I-AA Top 10
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:29:50 GMT

This weeks top ten as seen by the collective intelligence of net.fans.I-AA:

     Team           Pts.           Hi rank        Lo Rank

1.  The Citadel     48 (3)            1              2
2t. N. Iowa         43 (2)            1              4
2t. NE Louisiana    43                2              3
4.  Middle Tennesee 39                3              6
5.  Idaho           29                5              7
6.  Marshall        21                5              9
7.  Delaware        20                5              9
8t. Samford         16                6              9
8t. Villanova       16                7              9
10. Youngstown St.   3               10             NR

Others receiving votes: Eastern Kentucky (2).

There seems to be a consensus as to who should make up the top ten this week.

Thanks to those who responded (five of us this week).  Get psyhed--the playoffs
start after Turkey Day!!

PDunn
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From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: Texas - Baylor  (I feel bad about whining...)
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:11:45 GMT

R. Jayakrishnan (jayakris@translab.its.uci.edu) wrote:
:   never whine at all. In my life, I have not seen a game that was worse
:   in officiating than this one. More so, it appeared that every bad call

So you missed UH vs Texas, Baylor vs A&M, A&M vs UH, hell Cowboys vs Giants
last year, etc...
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scott@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081
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From: alc@netcom.com (Chris Stassen)
Subject: Re: OSU beats Michigan: 13-13
Organization: The Lion's Den, San Jose
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:37:15 GMT

cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu writes:
> If a passing game of 28 of 34 for 271 yards and 1 TD is 2nd best in OSU
> history, it well says about the potent passing attack of the Buckeyes.

Just to set the record straight:

According to the 1992 Ohio State Football Media Guide, which lists the
top five performances in a number of relevant categories, that's not
the "second best" performance in most ways.  It wouldn't make the list
(top five) in yards, attempts, touchdowns, or completion percentage.

It is "second best" in terms of "number of completions."  And what "that"
("that" being almost setting the "completions" record while not coming
close to any of the others) "says" about Ohio State's passing attack is:
it is exceedingly rare for OSU to use the short-passing game as the
center of their offense.

So spare us the smart-assed comments, eh?
-- 
Chris Stassen						stassen@alc.com
DISCLAIMER:  My employer's account, but not their opinions.
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From: mzhao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Min Zhao)
Subject: Re: Earle Bruce's record
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:12:52 GMT

In article <JOHNDOE92Nov15.002540@crispus.inmet> johndoe@inmet.com (Bus error - core dumped) writes:
>
>wait just a minute.
>
>i thought it was john cooper that acquired the 6-4-1 record his first year
>with all of those ignomious losses.  i thought bruce went to the cotton bowl
>his last year, upset arkansas, rode off on the shoulders of his players, and

          It was Texas A&M, if my memory serves me right.

>but perhaps my memory fails me ...

          We are getting old faster under John Cooper *-)
>
>-johndoe
>
From: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Illinois dignity
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:40:51 GMT
Reply-To: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Nov16.213434.1260@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (|J| Exby) writes:
|> Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
|> Path: ryn.mro4.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!news.crl.dec.com!deccrl!caen!uunet!boulder!ucsu!pogo.Colorado.EDU!exby
|> From: exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (|J| Exby)
|> Subject: Re: Illinois dignity
|> Message-ID: <1992Nov16.213434.1260@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
|> Sender: news@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (USENET News System)
|> Nntp-Posting-Host: pogo.colorado.edu
|> Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
|> References: <1992Nov16.170105.12485@netcom.com>
|> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:34:34 GMT
|> Lines: 27
|> 
|> >Oh, and while I'm at it, I'd also like to call for the end to all ethnic
|> >violence in the world, shelter for the homeless, and peace and happiness for
|> >all mankind (personkind?)
|> 
|> agreed.  increase the peace, but hell this is bigtime 
|> rivalry college football!  :-)

A UNC alum asked us this weekend if Michigan was our big rival.  We came to the
conclusion that, in some sense, we might consider them a rival, but the rivalry
was only a one-way street...
Murph

|> >kevins@netcom.com
|> 
|> ::j
|> 
|> 
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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: ND and PSU
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:26:14 GMT

Matt Shostak writes:

>The real question now is how the heck did Faust ever win even one against 
>Paterno?

Hate to break it to you Matt, but Gerry Faust's 1984 Irish squad didn't just 
beat Penn State - they crushed them.  The Irish wracked up a five touchdown 
lead in the first half.

And, by the way, Gerry was the first Irish coach since before Ara to have a
winning record versus USC at 3-2.

     - Pat
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From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: All AP & CNN/USA pollsters, read this
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:09:16 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne  FL


>Vinny Tino writes
>+ In article 26819@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu, kkc@nursing.arizona.edu (Kee  
>Koon Chua) writes:
>+ >
>+ >To all the AP and CNN/USA pollsters:
>+ >    Please use some common sense! What have TAMU done to deserve this high 
>+ >ranking? They have the SHITTIEST schedule among the top 10 teams. They  
>fact 
>+ >that they are still undefeated doesn't mean they are good. Look at their
>+ >shit schedules. Who have they played so far?? How many games have you guys
>+ >seen TAMU played so far to say that they are good (From Thurs game, they  
>don't
>+ >look like a top 25 team to me).
>+ >    Again, please use some brain when making a vote. 
>+ 
>+ AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!

>Bullshit! Who has FSU played that was any good, Vinny? GaTech? 5-5.
>And FSU was seriously in the hole against them! Clemson? maybe a 
>loosing season? Tulane? Can you say run the damn score up? Maryland? 
>another patsy. The only real team that they've played so far is Miami, 
>and they LOST. Once again they had more than sufficient opportunity to 
>write their own destiny, but couldn't put it in the endzone. Miami
>made the most of all their opportunities.

>I used to think Miami was the scum of college football. Maybe they
>used to be. But they're well behaved under Erikson, and now FSU is
>starting to lose respect. My hat's off to Erikson and his team.

>James


Who has FSU played that was any good????  You don't get around much do you?
FSU won the ACC by beating 8 teams, 6 of which have been in the top 25 at
some point during the season.  Ga. Tech?  They were a legitimate top 25
team until they lost Shawn Jones and other key players to injuries.  Yes
FSU was in the hole against them, but they came back and won it.  Miami was
in the hole to FSU 19-3 in 1987 and came back and won.  Does that mean Miami
sucked that year?  The fact that FSU was 14 down to then #15 Ga Tech and
came back to win says something.  Clemson has also had injury problems and
when FSU played them in Clemson they were much tougher.  I notice you "forgot"
to mention NC State, #13 NC State, who we beat in Raleigh.  How about #22 UNC?
And of course Miami.  You're right we lost.  But I wouldn't exactly say Miami
"made the most of all their opportunities".  How about when FSU gave Miami
the ball at their 5 yard line and the "powerful" Canes couldn't even manage
a field goal.  Also you might want to check the punting statistics and I
think you will find that Miami's punter had a busy day just like FSU's.

It doesn't concern me in the least whether FSU has your respect.  They're a
damn good football team and most other sane people in the country know it.

D. Head
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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: Michigan - National Championship - Not with Moeller
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:12:11 GMT

In article <4=F=CXA@engin.umich.edu> chyang@exemplum.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
>
>In article <BxtCDL.37M@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, jones@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (William P. Jones) writes:
>> As a UM alumnus, I was very disheartened to hear Gary Moeller say that 
>> guaranteeing a spot in the Rose Bowl was more important than having a
>> chance to win the National Championship.
>
>	Although I don't like the tie.  I think Moeller did make the
>right decision under the circumstance.  The team was struggling.  If they
>had gone for the win and not make it.  They would have to go to OSU in order
>to get the ROSE BOWL bid.  And that is always a pretty tough game with the
>way the Michigan is playing, they might not even make it to the ROSE BOWL had
>this happened.  

	All of this might have been moot if the idiot hadn't insisted on
	going for two when ahead 19-15.  As you will see in my Big Ten
	Review, I just can't understand this decision.  By kicking and making
	that extra point, he would have forced Tepper's hand when Illinois
	took the lead back with just over two minutes to go.  Plus, why
	in the hell would you STILL go for two after a five yard penalty
	puts the ball back near the 10 yard line!!!  What are the odds
	of crossing the goalline from there, given one shot?  I felt like
	I was watching a stupid Big Ten team doing something stupid in the
	Rose Bowl!!!  Dumb, dumb, dumb...

	Of course, Michigan should have been ahead 35-3 at halftime had
	they held onto the ball...
-- 
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From: pbwhite@rodan.acs.syr.edu (White)
Subject: Da 'Cuse
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 16:00:30 EST


Food For Thought - Last time a Number One ranked team decided to step foot
indoors for a game against the 'Cuse they went out licking their wounds.
It was Nebraska in 1984 losing 17-9 .  I can only wish the same fate to 
the Hurricanes.  Let's go 'Cuse!  
(We need all the pre-game woofing we can get, 'cause don't know how long 
we'll get a chance on Saturday!)

This is the biggest game in Syracuse since we upset #7 Penn State 20-18 in
1959.  Let's hope it's another!
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From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Subject: Re: Which one of these quarterbacks should get the Heisman
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:50:09 GMT


>In article <1992Nov12.232608.418@u.washington.edu> tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
>>
>>		Comp Att Pct  Yards Yard/Game TD
>>	QB A    176  308 57%  2084    232     11
>>	QB B    137  261 52%  1823    217     13
>>
>>Above are this years' stats of two of this country's finer college quarterbacks.
>>One is recognized as the leader in the race for the Heisman Trophy, while one
>>has gone largely unrecognized.  Which one SHOULD be the Heisman favorite?
>>
>>QB B is Gino Toretta.  QB A is darkhorse Heisman candidate "Dandy" Dan 
>>Freiburger of SMU.  Let's take a closer look at the two QB's.
>
>[details omitted]
>
>This comparison is irrelevant.  Remember last year?  Desmond Howard won
>the trophy (I think so, yes?) but in a comparison similar to the one
>above, Washington's Mario Bailey had the superior stats, and his team
>was undefeated.  Why did Howard win?  It was decided back in September
>that he's the front runner, he got lots of hype, and he had an outstanding
>season.  Freiburger has better numbers, but his team is 4-6.  Lyndon 
>Larouche has a better chance becoming the president of the United State
>than Freiburger has of winning the Heisman award.
[rest deleted]
>-- 
>Ali R. Vali - reza@magellan.ae.utexas.edu

Hey, they're biting again!

GT

Vote Larouche in '96
From: ds4@soc4.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Bowl Alliance Question
Date: 19 Nov 92 03:00:35 GMT

When can or cannot a team use its veto power over which bowl it goes to?
From: lpc4@po.CWRU.Edu (Lawrence P. Colucci)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: OSU beats Michigan: 13-13
Date: 22 Nov 1992 23:47:56 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


I don't see how anyone can say that Cooper "went for the tie" when
there was so much time left on the clock.  Any decent coach would have
taken the sure points and been totally justified in expecting his
defense to give him back the ball.  Moeller, on the other hand, did
a nice job of acting in the final minute while time was running out.
In the end, all things are supposed to equal out - ND going for the
tie takes away Michigan's bid for a Nat. title, Michigan going for
the tie takes away OSU's chance to make their season (which was played
yesterday)... Does this mean that OSU now goes for a tie in the Citrus
Bowl, and what effect will that have on Florida (assuming they play).
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Decline Rose Bowl? (was: "Re: HAWKEYE BOWL CHANCES")
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:48:13 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1992Nov19.151121.18146@netcom.com>, alc@netcom.com (Chris Stassen) writes:
> Brett says:
>> Schools can always say "no".  Didn't a Big Ten team refuse to go
>> to the Rose Bowl one year?  (Another team went...)
> 
> You're correct.  Ohio State won the Big Ten outright in 1961, but
> turned down the Rose Bowl bid.  The Faculty Council voted 28-25 to
> not permit the team to attend, complaining that they were ``upset
> over the fact that the image of Ohio State is that the school is
> merely an appendage of the football team.''

	Ahhhh.  Those were the days.  :)

	(Referring to the Big 10 Championship, of course! :)

Brett
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From: ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: HAWKEYE BOWL CHANCES
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:11:32 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu

demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>	I seem to remember an awful Michigan team (6-5) accepting a bid to play
>BYU (yuck, when they were 12-0 against high school teams), and losing.  Letting
>BYU claim #1 at 13-0.
Yepp.  The WAC was not a strong conference in 1984, sort of like the Big-10
this year.  Well, maybe not that bad.  :^) :^)



-- 
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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Olanda Truitt (was: Re: Bama 30, Miss. State 21)
Keywords: Pitt
Organization: Buffalo Stampede
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:18:21 GMT

In article <92321.091038JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu> <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>Olando Truitt--who will
>continue to make opposing D's miserable for years to come--made
>a sensational grab in the end zone for MSU's first TD.

How much eligibility does Olanda (sp.?) Truitt have remaining?  I
thought he played 2 years at Pitt before transferring to MSU.
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From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: PAC-10 is ACC of College Football
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 05:00:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.041811.24421@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n8443916@henson.cc.wwu.edu (John Gossman) writes:
>
>	The 8 bowl eligible teams in the Pac-10 are 19-4-1 against
>all non-conference foes, with two of the losses being to #1 Miami 
>and #3 Texas A&M (and each of those could have easily gone the
>other way).  But as a result of pummeling each other, only UW
>will be going to a major Bowl (well Stanford may get into the
>Blockbuster, but that has more to do with Penn St. being weak and
>Bill Walsh than respect for the Pac-10).  
>	I wish we had a 64-team tourney like in basketball.  Then
>we could hear the pollsters (especially the damned coaches, UW #13
>get that s***  out of here) say "Wow, 6 Pac-10 teams in the Sweet

Don't forget that it was the same damn coaches who gave the NC to
UW last year! Last year they were the good guys, eh?

Now that things have turned around, PAC10 (UW) weenies have come out
attacking the polls!

>	Of course, that would add 5 more weeks to College Football
>season (hmmmm, maybe not so bad after all).
>
>	-JG

Njan
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Big Ten bowls: all three of em : ( (okay, four with PSU)
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:47:39 GMT

In article <BxvBBo.LA1@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy  
Peppler) writes:

> 	I think the Peach is pretty much a pipe dream for any of these
> 	Big Ten teams.  I heard a radio report this morning that
> 	Mississippi State has been lined up for it, and I'd imagine
> 	they want another team from that neck of the woods.

The Peach gets to select the third ACC bowl team (though it 
doesn't have to be the third place team) under coalition 
rules, so I seriously doubt that the Peach would pass up a
team like UNC for a Big-10 team that's had a mediocre (for
them) season.

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