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From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: NIN PHM cover
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:57:10 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>>     A better question for you netters: what the heck is on the cover of
>> Ministry's album The Land of Rape and Honey? I've been meaning to ask this
>> for some time.......
>
>I finally figured that one out a year ago...
>
>
>If you look closely enough, it looks suspiciously like a dude with a broken
>nose (nose bleeding) lying down in intense pain after getting the shit beaten
>outta him.....

I think he looks slightly dead to me.

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From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Interview with Blixa Bargeld [1/2]
Date: 24 Jan 93 18:36:07 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>>3.  Did anyone here see EN live before?  If so, how was it?
>
>Ask Ben Cox. I know he did, describing it as one of the loudest things he'd
>ever heard in his life (right up there with Skinny Puppy in ear-splinter
>capacity) :).

A close friend of mine (a VERY avid show-goer, ranging from hardcore to
industrial) claimed that when he saw EN live a couple years ago, it was
positively the LOUDEST show he has ever seen.  He said that they were
incredible, and would do anything to see them again.

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|   like you love to, but never will again.'                  |    2 3      |
|  'The struggle between God and man breaks    -Kazantzakis   |             |
|   out in everyone.'                                         | Renaissance |
From: jvc0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (James Carrier)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Ministry sample sources
Date: 28 Jan 93 02:04:27 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <scupin.728111870@spot.Colorado.EDU>, scupin@spot.Colorado.EDU (SCUPI
N  JONATHAN RAYMOND) writes:
>
>         In "Jesus Built My Hotrod", the "Let's hit the fuckin' road"
>         sample is from "Blue Velvet", after Martin Sheen has kidnapped
>         the main character.
>
>                                       +don

martin sheen? - are you on mars?




dennis hopper
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:44:33 CST
From: Bones, <U38956@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: SPVideos (was:Re: chris & cosey)
 <1993Jan25.000123.26230@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>

Yeah, I saw Worlock at C-street in Champaign, at it's not any worse than your
typical splatter movie. Sheesh.  I also saw Testure, and it had a disclaimer
at the beginning and info versus Vivection.  I saw a third video at The Dome
Room in Chicago that featured Ogre crwling around with third degree burns,
but I didn't catch the name or the music (it was muted.. .)

Bones
From: pdm@ucrmath.ucr.edu (paul moore)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: MBM sample IDs wanted
Date: 25 Jan 93 00:08:25 GMT
Organization: technology>>works

In article <81281@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt5986c@prism.gatech.EDU (John P Arnzen) writes:
>not too long ago, someone here said that a lot of the samples on Satyricon
>were from some film called 'Dark Star' i think.  has anybody seen this film?
>kinda curious to go see if i can find it to maybe rent it or even buy it if
>i have to.  what's it about?


   I found a copy at Blockbuster.  Very bad 70's sci-fi comedy with 
the following lines taken:

   "Mark at 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, drop.  Drop.  DROP!!!"
   "How do you know you exist"
   [possibly the female voice saying "look and listen"]
   "Think we'll find any real inteeligent life out there?  Who cares."
   "Let there be light"  [70's idea of a computerized voice]

  I would rent it, not buy it.

Also, the stuff at the end of one track that has a guy saying 
"I'd take a belt and whack" is from the Monkees' Head.  

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From: jester@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jester)
Subject: Re: Neubauten new release follow-up
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:20:40 GMT

>>>Is there a definite release date?
>>My local record store said feb. 2 as the release date
>>could't get here soon enough!
>I'm not sure.  I think I saw Feb. 13 on the list of new releases.  Any
>confirmations?

The College Music Journal has the new release
"Tubula Rosa" on Mute Records set for February 19th.

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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:54:16 CST
From: Bones, <U38956@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: PIGFACE RETURNS Feb 20, 1993!

That's right, this was just anounced by the Cabaret Metro, Chicago:

The return of Pigface on Feb 20, 1993!

Bones
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From: pa_aml@meceng.coe.northeastern.edu (Andrew Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Ministry tour
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:53:19 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Northeastern University

I believe that the Ministry tour is all over and done with.
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From: orpheus@next05cville.wam.umd.edu (Grant Jeffrey Barrus)
Subject: re: Dave Kendell
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 03:46:32 GMT

All I can say is (giving my undeserved 2 cents) is that Kendell's gone and  
Sunday nights on MTV are a much happier place.

Not that MTV's such a great place to begin with.
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From: drewb@torolab4.vnet.ibm.com (Drew Birtwistle)
Subject: Meat Beat Manifesto - versions of Strapdown
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 20:54:36 GMT
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Reply-To: drewb@torolab4.vnet.ibm.com (Drew Birtwistle)
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research
Keywords: Meat Beat Manifesto

Can anybody tell me where I can find the version of
Strapdown used in the video?  I have the versions from
Storm the Studio and Armed Audio Warfare -- the video
version is less noisy and has more samples -- disco music,
etc.  The video is GREAT by the way.


Drew Birtwistle	
drewb@torolab4.vnet.ibm.com
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From: smith@ecs.comm.mot.com (Jeff Smith)
Subject: Re: Cop Shoot Cop/ Sister Machine Gun
Organization: ex525
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:10:27 GMT

pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis) writes:

> Yeah, I felt the same way.  I also felt the same way about Machines of Loving
> Grace.  PHM wanna-bees.  I really have no interest in either of these bands.

Really?  I didn't get this at all.  MOLG have, IMO, a far more natural, 
unsequenced sound (they do, in fact, use many "real" instruments) which is not
the case at all on PHM (the new one has a bit more of this, at least guitars,
but it's still not the same).  Did you listen to the whole thing, or just a
single.  I've heard that there's a single that was mixed by Trent and sounds a
bit like his music, but I've never heard it myself.

jds

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From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell)
Subject: Re: New Compilation
Organization: University of Illinois School of Music
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:17:00 GMT

In article <C17GCw.9B3@dcs.ed.ac.uk> awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford) writes:
>Another gem of information gleaned from the swamp of drivel that is the
>NME...
>
>This one might interest fans of what, depending on your point of view, is
>either industrial or "that namby-pamby, not industrial at all, death-disco,
>heavy-metal commercialised crap that all the teenies spend so much time
>talking about in this group while they should be discussing *my* favourite
>groups instead". Apparently East West are releasing a new comp next week
>(in Europe at least - dunno about the US situation) called _Hot Wired
>Monstertrux_ (ghastly title) "featuring tracks by Nine Inch Nails,
>Consolidated, Ministry, Meat Beat Manifesto, Young Gods, Front 242 and

This is really pretty hilarious...a "monster truck", in US parlance, is a
big 4-wheel-drive offroad vehicle with a serious steroid problem, frequently
found in very loud (wonderful noises at these, btw) events called "Monster
Truck Rallies" which are generally attended by people who would most likely
have _absolutely_nothing_ to do with the above-mentioned bands. The typical
monster-truck fan gets into Billy Ray Cyrus, not Unca Al...:)
	Of course, _I_ like monster trucks, but I'm not interested in them
as vehicles. Musical instruments, on the other hand...:)

D.A.C. Crowell
Computer Music Project/School of Music
University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign
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From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Ministry samples Nine Inch Nails !
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:10:54 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>Hmm...is this single available easily, or is it an import or what.  I haven't
>seen any Ministry singles anywhere, and I would like to buy some :)

Haven't seen this one yet in stores.  Don't know if it was released or not.
The only place I've seen and heard it is at my radio station.

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|  'You should be with us, feeling like we do  -Perry Farrell |     1       |
|   like you love to, but never will again.'                  |    2 3      |
|  'The struggle between God and man breaks    -Kazantzakis   |             |
|   out in everyone.'                                         | Renaissance |
From: u6066061@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: J.G. Thirlwell
Date: 28 Jan 93 11:33:44 +1100
Organization: The University of Melbourne

In article <1993Jan26.011520.26820@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, wgns@troi.cc.rochester.edu (C. Wiggins) writes:
> Some questions:
> 
> Is J.G. Thirlwell involved in anything currently?  
> Is Foetus dead?  
> Could someone give me a list of everything that J.G. Thirlwell had a hand
> in?  I want to own everything he's touched.

He has recently relased a couple of albums under the group name "Steroidus
Maximus" (sp?).  Most Excellent!  Big band sound spiced up with an industrial
edge. Both albums are a 'MUST purchase'.  On a couple of tracks J.G.T. is
assisted by the guy from "Pig" (is he also from KMFDM?).  If you like the
"Steroid..." albums you may also like 'Praise the Lard' by "Pig". 

J.G.T. has also been mixing tracks on other peoples albums - But the only one I
can recall at the momment is the Nine Inch (yawn) Nail's CD EP/Single/thingy 
from the latest album...It has a blue cover...uhm...   Oh, and the tracks he
(JGT) remixed are fantastic (pity about the rest of the music by NIN).

JGT has done some other things but I can't recall them right now...


Seeyaround

drew.

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From: mason@netcom.com (Mason Jones)
Subject: Re: Make Sampling Legal...
Organization: Charnel House
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:50:45 GMT

ramirez.Princeton.EDU!penrose (Christopher Penrose) writes:
: Mason Jones writes: 
: > I view copyrights in a purely utilitarian manner. They are protection,
: > pure and simple. While the philosophical discussion of originality and
: > the lack thereof is interesting, it's not clear how applicable it
: > really is. Yes, a copyright requires that the work be viewed as
: > 'original,' their concern re originality isn't as deep as yours. It's
: > a matter of whether you really as though using a piano, for example,
: > automatically makes a work unoriginal. To believe that it does is a
: > rather astonishing bit of anal-retentiveness.
: 
: Heavy, but still a house of cards.  By composing with a piano, you are
: engaging a rigid compositional environment.  To many potential audience
: members, EVERY piano piece, regardless of the composer, sounds stunningly  
: similar;  There are many people with this sort of perception.  The polyphony,
: the pedals, the sound quality, are all delimitations.  The compositional use
: of a piano is a major act of appropriation.  Try building an instrument out of
: pure concepts, implement it with a computer, and writing music with it.  Even
: this process will cause you to reference all sorts of history.  I certainly
: believe that a composer who uses piano is ununique along several dimensions.
: If this makes me anal-retentive in your eye, then I am convinced that you drag
: huge dangling hemmorrhoids through the supermarket. :) Touche!

Now you've restricted your terms a little bit, and I'm more prepared to
find some redeeming qualities in what you say. ;-) There's a difference
between calling something unoriginal because it uses an existing
instrument, and saying that there are necessarily characteristics of
the instrument which will naturally cause similarities in compositions.
Theoretically, of course, I'm sure it's possible to quantify the number
of possible unique compositions for the piano. It has a finite number
of keys and pedals (this ignores the variations in performance, of
course, which aren't the issue here).

So we're not in such disagreement as we might have imagined...


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From: edklein@well.sf.ca.us (Ed Klein)
Subject: Re: Dave Kendell
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:29:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.034632.14129@wam.umd.edu> orpheus@next05cville.wam.umd.edu (Grant Jeffrey Barrus) writes:
>All I can say is (giving my undeserved 2 cents) is that Kendell's gone and  
>Sunday nights on MTV are a much happier place.
>
>Not that MTV's such a great place to begin with.


Excuse me?  I'm certainly not a fan of Dave, but I can't imagine how you
find their subsequent line-up of "guest hosts" to be an improvement.  Except
for the two guys in Soul Asylum, who seemed like they were stoned, all the
others just sat there and read the cue cards in a nice flat monotone,
without much emotion at all.  At least Dave looked like he was enjoying
himself most of the time, though he couldn't interview his way out of a
paper bag.  But he was fun to watch.

--------
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From: awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Cabaret Voltaire--opinions?
Date: 21 Jan 93 12:54:18 GMT
Reply-To: awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford)
Organization: The University Of Edinburgh - Department Of Computer Science

And lo, cnc@balboa.eng.uci.edu (Christopher Christensen) spake unto the
masses saying:
>
> I just picked up CV/'The Living Legends' on CD and I was wondering
> if any CV afficianados out there could give me their opinions of
> this disc..  basically, does this give me a good sampling of their
> best earlier work?

It's not a *bad* compilation, but I wouldn't say it shows you the group at
their best, except in a few tracks. This is mainly due to the disc being a
collection of singles and B-sides, rather than a "Best Of", so there's good
stuff and there's bad stuff. It's not a disc I listen to very often, I tend
to stick to the albums.

As for what the best overview of early material is...hmm, well _The Golden
Moments Of Cabaret Voltaire_ on Rough Trade is, if it's still available, a
step up on _Living Legends_ and it's a reasonable sweep over their early
material including some album tracks. The one I'd really recommend though
is the _Listen Up_ double disc set. Now while this is notionally a set of
rarities and previously unreleased material, it's got some really good
stuff on it, gives a broad overview of pretty much their entire output from
1978 or so right up to, oh, I'd guess about 1985, and manages to really
capture the feel of the band without actually duplicating material. So
unlike _The Golden Moments_, which becomes redundant as soon as you've
bought all the albums, it's one you can keep and cherish until death :-)

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From: jvc0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (James Carrier)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Its in my brain now
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:23:21 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>I know this sample is also on the Big Sexyland album, though (which I'm almost
>positive predates Stainless Steel Providers). Sure it's Luc Van Acker, and not
>something that both groups sampled?
>
>hafnir.


i could be mistaken, but i think a split second also sampled it on "the
paralax view.  don't know the source though.


james
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From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell)
Subject: Re: what i've heard from alien.
Organization: University of Illinois School of Music
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:04:38 GMT

In article <PA_AML.93Jan25163737@dec17.coe.northeastern.edu> pa_aml@dec17.coe.northeastern.edu (Andrew Lewis) writes:
>Is'nt it _The Book of The Law_ not _The Book of Lies_???
>
>(that Psalm 69 refers too....)

_The Book of Lies_. _Liber AL vel Legis_ (or, more well known as "The Book of
the Law") only has three chapters, _Lies_ has 91 little epigrammatic verses
called "chapters" by Crowley.
	Take it from a recovering Thelemite. I oughta know...:)

D.A.C. Crowell
Computer Music Project/School of Music
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Subject: <None>
Date: 25 Jan 93 09:22:14 EST

TEST
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From: hafnir@athena.mit.edu (Mr. Hafnir)
Subject: Re: Its in my brain now
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:32:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.221845.7984@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Adam J. Weitzman) writes:
|>In article <C17x0p.FyE@javelin.sim.es.com> pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) writes:
|> >
|> >I'm looking for the sample source to the samples in Meat Beat Manifesto's
|> >"Helter Skelter".  "It's in my brain now", "Helter Skelter", and "Roger Copy".
|> >Any ideas?
|> 
|> "It's in my brain now" is Luc Van Acker, from the remix of "TV Mind" that was
|> on the B-side of Revolting Cocks' "Stainless Steel Providers" EP. Dunno
|> about the other two.
|> 
|> 					- Adam J Weitzman
|> 					  weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu
|> "All our life is spent in this permanent brainwashed contempt."
|> 	- Meat Beat Manifesto

I know this sample is also on the Big Sexyland album, though (which I'm almost
positive predates Stainless Steel Providers). Sure it's Luc Van Acker, and not
something that both groups sampled?

hafnir.
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From: eddie@solan.unit.no (Kjetil Valstadsve)
Subject: About FLA and Robocop
Followup-To: 18380 FLA and Robocop [7] Bones,              
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 11:59:09 GMT

Bones writes:
>In Mindphaser, the sample that goes:
>"OCP cybernetic industries---state of the art destructive capabilities"
>or something to that effect is from Robocop.
>
>Just an interesting tidbit
>
>Bones

That's Robocop 2, not Robocop. Actually, it seems all the samples in Mindphaser
is from Robocop 2, from "Jesus... had days like this", through "OCP ---- cyborg
technology", "state of the art destructive capabilities" and (on the 12" mix),
"commanded by a unique combination of software and organic systems" to "cyborgs -
cybernetic organism, we use living human tissue" and some mumblings about "--- ---
criminal".

Other interesting sources include Aliens (on "Resist" from Caustic Grip): "Bio 
readouts are all green, looks like she's alive", Hardware (on "Laughing Pain" -
I think - on the "The Blade" album): "Christ, Moe, somebody ougtha help these
people"). There is also what I suspect of being a Malcom X quote on The Blade:
"Take them out, motherfucker, it's a ----", plus an unidentified (as of yet):
"I don't think that the real (something) has even started yet".



Kjetil Valstadsve, eddie@solan.unit.no
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From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Its in my brain now
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:05:12 GMT


I'm looking for the sample source to the samples in Meat Beat Manifesto's
"Helter Skelter".  "It's in my brain now", "Helter Skelter", and "Roger Copy".
Any ideas?
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From: johns@hpqmola.sqf.hp.com ( John Struthers)
Subject: Re: New From The Grey Area
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:47:46 GMT
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Al Crawford (awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk) wrote:
: Out now...
: Zoviet France		Collusion (*)

Hi Al:
      Have you heard this CD - any comments?  How does it 
      compare with their earlier releases ....

      Thanks,  John 
      
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