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From: billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp)
Subject: Re: 1st Re: Jesus of Nazareth
Organization: LA&W RR
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 15:22:10 GMT

In article <4424@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:
>In article <1992Nov2.174117.1267@bony1.bony.com> billg@bony1.bony.com
>(Bill Gripp) writes:
>
>>In article <4393@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon
>> Ehrlich) writes:
>
>>>I can't believe that all movies producers have no knowledge about
>>>their culture.
>>>I never saw in any movie a person asking maria , or any other saints,
>>>to go to god and recomend him so and so, but I saw so many times
>>>persons praying to maria and asking her all kinds of actions :
>>
>>I can see that in addition to being totally ignorant about Christianity,
>>Gideon is also naive when it comes to the film industry.
>>
>>Have you ever heard the word STEREOTYPE?  Since you are so convinced by
>>Hollywood's portrail of Christianity, you have no objection to their
>>portrayal of Jews as being cheap, rich, cheaters, with big noses right?
>
>I'll not take hollywood as a reliable source about other cultures.
>but since the hollywood producers are rooted in the christian culture
>I do expect them not to err CONSTANTLY as to basic notions of their
>cultures.

The stereotype of a Hollywood producer happens to be Jewish!  If you
want this point really brought home, watch "The Producers" with Zero
Mostel and Gene Wilder (produced by Mel Brookes?).  

The stereotype you are refering to is not of a Christian but of a Catholic.
The opinion of Protestants as to Catholics varies from Catholics are not
true Christians to some Catholics are/may be Christians.  In any case,
Protestant see those who pray to saints as idolotors.  Only G-d is
deserving of our prayers and worship.


>I heared several hundreds times , persons in some trubles asking some
>saints to help them , and i never heared anyone saying :
>
>Oh maria ( paule, jesus, christopher or any other saint) please ask
>god to help me.

While people who do this do exist in the Catholic and perhaps Eastern
Orthodox groups, Protestants do not pray to saints either for direct
assistance or intervention.  It is highly questionable whether people
who pray to saints are Christian since this is not part of Christian
dogma.  Just as Rabbinic Jews do not consider Messianic Jews Jews,
Christians do not consider those who pray to saints Christians.

If you insist that these saint praying idolitors are Christians (which
they aren't), then by the same logic you accept that  Messianic Jews
practice a valid form of Judaism.
From: capistra@andromeda.rutgers.edu (M P Capistrano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: just had to say it...
Date: 12 Nov 92 05:24:05 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.



Dear whoever,

	How come people think that Hermes and Aphro
are going out when they're NOT actually going out?!
Geez, ask Hermes and he'll tell you!  However, Aphro,
I think, misses Hermes.

	They're a good couple by the way!
People should understand though that they are just
close friends.  They could be more than that, but,
Hermes "does not know!"  Gee, things can be very 
complicated sometimes.  (Aphro doesn't know however
if she should still talk to Hermes since she was 
kinda led on by Hermes and Hermes didn't know what
to say and kinda ignored it).

	Oh well...

				-The-confused-one-


(ps:  sorry, i just had to say/write this to get it
out of my system.  sorry if i confused some people.
you can comment on it if you want-no flaming though).
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:10372 soc.culture.turkish:11349
From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: I am not wasting another minute, Mutlu/Serdar whoever-you-are
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:30:00 GMT
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos)
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis



Edward Wiener writes:
>      Best of luck, Nick.  Don't forget to bring
>      back some trophies from your hunting expedition.
>      I wouldn't mind hanging Mutlu's stuffed cranial
>      chamber on my living room wall.

  What, all 0.25 cubic centimeters of it?

M.
                                                                                                                        
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis)
Subject: Re: Macedonian Recognition after US elections.
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 18:39:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.160938.16119@walter.bellcore.com> ddc@nyquist.bellcore.com (Daniel Chukurov 21324) writes:
>
>	The best thing would be to split up the Skopje, have a referendum
>	and let people decide which country do they want to join: Bulgaria,
>	Greece, Albania or Serbia. As it now stands, recognition of
>	"Macedonia" can only bring problem into the area.


        The most meaningful proposal for the long term *interests* and 
        *desires* of the people living there.

        Instead of having a not viable state, which tries to survive
        the internal erruption by selling irredentism against its nei-
        ghboring countries to its own suffering people, a split of
        the type:

        Serbia     30%        (demographics, faught for it)
        Albania    30%        (demographics)
        Bulgaria   30%        (old demographics)
        Greece     10%        (    "   , buffering the "dog" of Ottoman
                                                                shadow)


        The only losers will be the power thirsty who will lose one
        more power center. And the cancerous growth, Ottoman leftovers,
        will have gone for ever from the Balkans.


                      " E PLURIBUS UNUM "


        Are we going to repeat the political miracle which lead to
        the 1st Balkan War?


           "LETS ERADICATE THE TERM BALKANIZATION FROM THE
                        WESTERN DICTIONARIES"


        Gr
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From: iptsiant@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Panagiotis Tsiantopoulos)
Subject: Re: Clinton, Bush, or Perot for Greece?
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 08:09:51 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Technische Fakultaet.

In article <1992Nov2.231637.21103@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU>, 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU () writes:

|> 	How bad does it get in the army in Greece. How bad does it get for 
|> someone that expects to do 6 months ?

There is no "6 months" any longer. From March 1st, 1993, we shall do 12 months.
 


|> 
|> >was in the Nomos Aitwlias & Akarnanias. It is just across the water from
|> >Preveza. At the time when I did my stint there, it was designated as a
|> >NATO forward base.
|> >
As far as I know, I am from Agrinion, about 20 km distance from that air base, there were some AWACs in earlier years, but nowerdays there is no plane. I may be wrong, but last summer there were no flights.

|> >Spyros G.
|> 
|> 	George
|> 

Panos Tsiantopoulos.
From: dk0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DIMITRIOS KOUVATSOS)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: "5.1 Gav\*0" surrenders its "palik" skirt and legs to "6.8 Ka
Date: 8 Nov 92 03:23:32 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <9211072106.AA21635@kocrsw06.delcoelect.com>, c23st@kocrsv01.delcoele
ct.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
>dk0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DIMITRIOS KOUVATSOS) writes:
>
>> Hasan B-) Mutlu (hiding in the sera@zuma.uucp chickensuit) writes:
>
>> >Poor "Gav*0" has walked full force into a "Young Turk Web" in Michigan
>> >(yet again). Well, anyway, during World War II Armenians were carried away
>> >with the German might and cringing and fawning over the Nazis. In that
>
>> Somebody please update this ITASP (Idiotic Turkish Artificial Stupidity
>> Program) to that Mr. Gavras is a totally different Greek person than the one
>>it
>> refers to, and that it should not knee-jerk "Gav*0" for every "gav" string
>> that appears in anyone's name... And again, the Armenians are to blame and
>> nia, nia, nia... just so much plain turkish idiocy...
>
>MUTLU.EXE only has 3 characters for first name? Ex: "Tri", "Zap",
>"Pol", "Gav". It occasionally allows for aliases ("sipa", "tamtam")
>but by and large it is brain dead.
>
>This is Mutlu idiocy. As the case has been on the net, most Turks on
>the net (with a few memorable exceptions ("LEAVE HASAN B MUTLU
>ALONE")) don't care much for him....

I have not seen any Turks on the net, with but one exception only, ever
disagreeing, let alone condemning, 'cosar/mutlu/argic'. Much as you seem to
want to absolve and sympathize with the Turks, allow me to interpret silence
for what one well should - for agreement.

>
>Spiros
>

Dimitris Kouvatsos
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Subject: Dionush den douleuei...
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:33:55 GMT

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Ksanasteila messages sto scg, sthn parapanw dieu0unsh, 
auth pou sou stelnw kai twra maze me th dikh sou...

Den pane re gamoto... ti tous exw ftaiksei??? 

0eleis na sou dwsw thn telnet addess mou, na kaneis 
edw login se ena account ma0htwn pou mporw na sou dwsw
(exw panw apo 100 axrhsimopoihta) kai na prospa0hseis
na steileis monos sou?

Nikos Gavrielatos
gavriel@socrates.umd.edu
From: dk0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DIMITRIOS KOUVATSOS)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: European Stereotypes
Date: 12 Nov 92 04:24:10 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Nov9.145544@imhfhp16.epfl.ch>, gavrila@imhfhp16.epfl.ch (Spyros
 Gavrilakis) writes:
*///*
>
>The BBC Radio 4 program called Eurofile carried an item about the
>results of a survey done recently throughout Europe.

Poor 'Gav*0' - oops, 'Gav*2' (Gav*0 and *1 specified already!). Your ignorance
cramps my conversation. Now, where were we? Let's return to the Armenians,
shall we?

>
>sg
>

dk :-)
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From: efstse@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu (Serafim Efstratiadis)
Subject: Newspaper Vartan front page headline: "FUCK OFF CLINTON" !!
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:42:39 GMT

The pseudo-state of Dektash in the Turkish occupied northern Cyprus
openly cursed and condemned American President-elect Bill Clinton
with a notorious headline in the pseudo-state controlled newspaper Vartan:
"FUCK OFF CLINTON" because he simply said the the Turkish occupation is
downright ILLEGAL. Well, that's not news, boys. Anyone with elementary school
reading skills can find out this by reading the United Nations resolutions on
the Turkish occupation of Cyprus since 1974.

No further comment.

Serafeim.
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From: gavrila@imhfhp16.epfl.ch (Spyros Gavrilakis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: European Stereotypes
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:55:44 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne



The BBC Radio 4 program called Eurofile carried an item about the
results of a  survey done recently throughout Europe.
These results show that the Europeans in the west tend to sleep
more than those of the East. The Belgians sleep the most and
the Greeks the least. The Portuguese  work the longest - this does
not imply that they are the most productive. The Brits watch most
tv - an average 4h 13 (or 30) mins per weekday - which is not that
surprising since they have the best tv in the world. The Scandinavians
spend most time with their children - 5h per day.

--------------------

The Int. Herald Tribune carried a small item 3-4 weeks ago
saying that according to a Swedish specialist (forgot her name)
the Italians are the best lovers in EC. She actually recommends
to women to offer themselves by going on hols to Italy. I was
reminded of this article since a German publication gave last week
an endorsement to the Italians as the best in this respect.

sg
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish
From: macrakis@osf.org (Stavros Macrakis)
Subject: Re: The Best Language :-)
Organization: OSF Research Institute
	<1992Oct26.035813.7369@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
	<MACRAKIS.92Oct30120322@lakatos.osf.org>
	<1992Oct31.035518.10173@jack.sns.com>
Date: 5 Nov 92 13:18:40

I said:

   >There are ambiguous cases.  In Turkish, in some cases, you can analyze
   >certain endings as either forms of the verb "to be" (imek) or as

In article <1992Oct31.035518.10173@jack.sns.com> trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh) writes:

   This is wrong. In Istanbul/Anatolian/Azeri Turkish, -imek is never
   written by itself. -di -mish are probably what you had in mind:
	   KaraydI --> Kara idi
	   KaraymIsh -- Kara imish.

I should have said "the hypothetical verb *imek", and yes, I had
examples like the above in mind, which are regular formations of the
-di and -mish forms from the i- stem.

	-s
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From: iptsiant@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Panagiotis Tsiantopoulos)
Subject: Re: Proteivw akoma mia fora [Re: Alpha-vita(alphabet)]
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 08:39:37 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Technische Fakultaet.

In article <1992Nov3.134315.8099@eecs.nwu.edu>, efstse@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu (Serafim Efstratiadis) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov2.230924.20842@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU () writes:
|> >>Loipov, to exw pei dekades fores alla etci paei kaqe fora. Grafw kapou 5
|> >> xrovia
|> >>me lativikous xaraktnres kai to kalutero movocnmavto alfabnto pou exw
|> >> katalnjei
|> >>eivai to parakatw. Oco ki av procpaqncei kavevas paw ctoixnma de qa brei
|> >>kalutero.
|> >>
|> >>a b g d e z n q i k l m v j o p r c/s t u f x y w
|> >>A B G D E Z H Q I K L M N J O P R  S  T U F X Y W
|> >

Re pedia, pou na grafate diladi ke sta tifla. An pairnate enan epeksergasti koimenon (p.x Windows sta ellinika), de tha ta brazate katholou pera.

Alla de pirazi, etsi opos grafete den ksexnate ke tin orthografia.Kalo k' afto.


Panos Tsiantopoulos.

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From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: 1st Re: Jesus of Nazareth
Date: 4 Nov 92 07:03:05 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <1992Nov2.174117.1267@bony1.bony.com> billg@bony1.bony.com
(Bill Gripp) writes:

>In article <4393@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon
> Ehrlich) writes:

>
>>I can't believe that all movies producers have no knowledge about
>>their culture.
>>I never saw in any movie a person asking maria , or any other saints,
>>to go to god and recomend him so and so, but I saw so many times
>>persons praying to maria and asking her all kinds of actions :
>
>I can see that in addition to being totally ignorant about Christianity,
>Gideon is also naive when it comes to the film industry.
>
>Have you ever heard the word STEREOTYPE?  Since you are so convinced by
>Hollywood's portrail of Christianity, you have no objection to their
>portrayal of Jews as being cheap, rich, cheaters, with big noses right?

I'll not take hollywood as a reliable source about other cultures.

but since the hollywood producers are rooted in the christian culture
I do expect them not to err CONSTANTLY as to basic notions of their
cultures.

I heared several hundreds times , persons in some trubles asking some
saints to help them , and i never heared anyone saying :

Oh maria ( paule, jesus, christopher or any other saint) please ask
god to help me.

I'll not trust the Indian movies industry as to other cultures , but
if They repeat expressing the idea that people at India do pay
attention to the Cast (casta) a person belongs to and never
demonstrate a case when that point was ignored by Indian society then
I'll take it as a proof that Indian do consider a casta origion to be
of importance.

 Shalom  gideon
From: gavras@acs.bu.edu (alexis gavras)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: There is only one "Gav*0".
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:08:05 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: gavras@acs.bu.edu

>   And that is me, Nick the Gav*0, your old friend, Mutlu-Malak .
>So dont use it for anyone else except myself. Gke Gke ?
>
>Nick Gavrielatos
>To Sixameno Plasma
>gavriel@socrates.umd.edu

I agree. He used Gav*0 on you first, so it's yours. I'd challenge our Resident 
Virus to stretch his imagination and come up with something different for me,
but it seems that he can only retain in whatever mind he has the first three 
leters of any given last name. To ask him to handle more than that PLUS actual-
ly create something new would be requesting him to transcend his severely limi-
ted mental capacity, so I suppose I shouldn't bother.

                      Cheers,

                               -Alexis

"Without music there would truly be reason to go mad."

                                    -Tchaikovsky
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: "5.1 Gav\*0" surrenders its "palik" skirt and legs to "6.8 Kaz"
Date: 7 Nov 1992 15:06:32 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

dk0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DIMITRIOS KOUVATSOS) writes:

> Hasan B-) Mutlu (hiding in the sera@zuma.uucp chickensuit) writes:

> >Poor "Gav*0" has walked full force into a "Young Turk Web" in Michigan
> >(yet again). Well, anyway, during World War II Armenians were carried away
> >with the German might and cringing and fawning over the Nazis. In that

> Somebody please update this ITASP (Idiotic Turkish Artificial Stupidity
> Program) to that Mr. Gavras is a totally different Greek person than the one it
> refers to, and that it should not knee-jerk "Gav*0" for every "gav" string
> that appears in anyone's name... And again, the Armenians are to blame and
> nia, nia, nia... just so much plain turkish idiocy...

MUTLU.EXE only has 3 characters for first name? Ex: "Tri", "Zap",
"Pol", "Gav". It occasionally allows for aliases ("sipa", "tamtam") 
but by and large it is brain dead. 

This is Mutlu idiocy. As the case has been on the net, most Turks on
the net (with a few memorable exceptions ("LEAVE HASAN B MUTLU
ALONE")) don't care much for him....

(and, Hasan, we don't get soc.culture.* here... your qualifier is
harmless (not that you understand what I'm talking about but...).
Do you still get news at AT&T (not *you* you, everyone else)).

Spiros

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Subject: Mutlu ton pairneis- this is a test
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:33:33 GMT

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Einai duo bdomades twra pou den erxontai ta mails mou
gamw tous mailers sas gamw... kai apo panw bgainoun kati
mounopana kai stelnoun fake mails me to diko mou onoma...

Kai dinoun to dikaiwma se auth th poutanomaimou ton mutlu
na pairnei aera... kapoios mou esteile ena mail kai mou 
eipe pws egrapse o mutlu pws mou spasane leei th muth...
poios, pou, pote, pws? Giati den to kserw egw?  

Molis gurisa apo tsimpousi edw sto DC me ton Koutsougera
pou episkeptetai apo new orleans, kai meta apo 3 margarites
ais0anomai pio... sixamena....

Giauto rixnw test sto scg, me thn elpida pws 0a ftasei...
Ama den ftasei, GAMW TON OTE SAS KAI GAMW TIS GRAMMES SAS!!!

Nikos Gavrielatos
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From: iptsiant@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Panagiotis Tsiantopoulos)
Subject: Re: 3rd Re: jesus of Nazareth
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 09:52:54 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Technische Fakultaet.

In article <4426@bimacs.BITNET>, ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:
|> In article <Bx5BDA.Dqw@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de>
|> iptsiant@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Panagiotis Tsiantopoulos) writes:
|> 
|> >(When I was 13 months old, I was very ill. The doctors didn't give me
|> >any chance.
|> > My parents decided not to let me die wihtout being a
|> >christian (sorry, I don't know the word for vaptisi/greek or
|> >Taufe/german..).
|> >Three days later I was allowed to go home.
|> >
|> >Panagiotis Tsiantopoulos.
|> 
|> My conclusion out of the above story is : Panagiotis Tsiantopoulos's
|> doctor  demonstrated a higher talking ability than a medicine ability.
|> 
|> I have 2 questioned I'll like Panagiotis Tsiantopoulos to answer:
|> 
|> 1. Don't you think that the real reason you was saved are  those 2
|>    shouts of the kuku bird near your window? Or may it was the
|>    peniciline shot you got? or the barking of your dog ?
|> 
|>    Fact:  I passed a similar experience about that age, my parents
|>           DID NOT vaptisi/greek me , neither did they Taufe/german me
|>           and I am , thank G od, a live !
|> 
|> 2. sending the above misionaity staff to this Jewish forum is un polite
|>    , to say the least, Do you Panagiotis Tsiantopoulos, considered
|>    your unacceptable behavioure to be the outcome of your
|>   vaptisi/greek or Taufe/german  too  ??
|> 
|> 
|> Shalom   gideon ehrlich

Answer 1:

It was my parents belief in God that saved me. I am sure, your parents did something similar: pray, hope, ... It is enough if there is some hope.

Answer 2:

I think, sending this posting was not meant as 'missionaity staff' or anything like that; I do not remember the topic of the first ever followed-up posting. Excuse me, it was not my intention to show you the 'stairway to heaven' or to change anyone 's mind. I simply expressed my thoughts, and I hope you are the only one who felt disgusted of this posting.

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