From: rika@informix.com (Rika Tsitsinia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: The Legality of Arming The Aegean Islands (was Re: Q&A, II)
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:21:39 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Aug25.150300.2842@das.harvard.edu> alex@fermat.uucp (Alex Gerbessiotis) writes:
>>Article 9457 of soc.culture.greek:
>>From: aras@eceris.ece.ncsu.edu (Caglan M. Aras)
>>Subject: Re: The Legality of Arming The Aegean Islands (was Re: Q&A, II)
>>
>>In article <Aug24.174139.39966@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug24.042619.15373@ncsu.edu>, aras@eceris.ece.ncsu.edu 
>>>(Caglan M. Aras) writes:
>>>>
>>>>Also, if these treaties were overridden, why doesn't a single Greek come up
>>>
>>>Every few months, the Turks on the net question the legality of the arming
>>>of the Aegean islands by Greece. So, some Greek netter provides details.
>>>Then the Turks respond with a flame war.
>>>
>>
>>IS this what you call a detailed piece of information? If it was
>	A detailed piece about the legality of the  positions of the
>	Greek Government can be found no where else but in the archives
>	of the Turkish Parliament (around July 1936). Check the speech
>	of the then Turkish Foreign Minister Rustu Aras
>	related to  the ratification of the Montreux Convention
>	(also check the text below).
>>responded to so many times, you probably have it in a file. Go ahead and
>>post it, I promise I will give it an objective review. If you don't have
>>it or don't have the proof, then stop the claims and get the arms out.
>>
>>Caglan M. Aras			| Robotics and Intel. Systems Lab.	
>>RISL- Box 7911			| aras@eceris.ece.ncsu.edu
>>North Carolina State University | ph: 919-515-5405
>>Raleigh, NC 27695		| 
>>
>>
>Well,  long time ago i replied to a similar request, so i can just
>repost it here.

	And Mr Gerbessiotis once more posts his article.
    In the next 2 weeks we are going to be flooded with posts from
    turkish netters, not addressing the article, and insisting that
    Greece has no right to arm these islands or those islands,
    any islands, etc.
    
	Last time after a similar exchange Mr Mutlu had insisted that
    Greece has no right to militarize the Dodekanese islands eccording
    to the Lausanne treaty. I replied via net that the Lausanne treaty
    could not have included the Dodekanese islands since they became
    part of Greece in 1947. BTW, Mr Mutlu had started by "Have you ever
    read the Lausanne Treaty?" As if he had. No matter what, he did
    not honor us with a reply. Note that I don't want to knock on
    Mr Mutlu particularly. All other turkish netters do the same.

	Let's see if we will not have a flame war this time and that
    Mr Aras will make the honest effort to verify the facts posted by
    Mr Gerbessiotis and, when the same question arises in 6 months,
    he will defend the greek posisition, enlightening his country-(wo)men.
    Or will rebutt him with a well documented article answering all
    his points and showing that he has done his research.

	My problem is different, though: how does it happen that
    ALL the turkish netters are misinformed on this issue? Obviously,
    the turkish government pushes this misinformation, BUT in a
    democratic country with freedom of press, how come there is no
    journalist that will write an article examining the greek side
    and researching the things that Mr Gerbessiotis just posted?

	There can be only one conclusion: there is NO FREE PRESS
    IN TURKEY, the press is controlled by the government, and
    therefore, Turkey is not a democracy.

	Turkish netters: you can easily rebut me in one of two
    ways:

	(1) show that Mr Gerbessiotis is wrong by well documented
	    research.

	(2) show an article in a turkish newspaper (any newspaper)
	    that argues that Turkey is wrong and that Greece is
	    right in the militarization of the Greek islands.

	The ball is in your court now.

	Georgios
	

	
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