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From: mastor@gmuvax.gmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Jogger is killed when hunter mistakes him for a deer
Date: 21 Nov 92 12:58:12 -0500
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, VA.

In article <1992Nov12.164644.27311@unocal.com>, stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:
> 
> ("Associated Press) Morris, Conn.- A man jogging near a reservoir was shot and
> killed Wednesday by a hunter who told police he mistook the man for a deer.
> 
> Investigators have classified the shooting as an accident.  The jooger was on
> a dirt road near at a reservoir near a state forest. Hunting is allowed in the
> area, and the man who fired the shot was with a group of hunters."

Well, to even things out, a hunter in this area was shot and killed by his
15 year old nephew, who 'mistook his uncle for a deer.'  Gee officer I am sorry
I was driving under the influence of alcohol, but 'I mistook my car for a taxi.'
Incidently, the uncle that was shot was wearing a fluorescent vest!  I have
to question the mentality of the people running wild through the forest with
powerful rifles, and shooting at the first thing they *hear*.  But, that is
another story.

mike
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From: lowrie@advection.engin.umich.edu (Robert Byron Lowrie)
Subject: Re: Jogger is killed when hunter mistakes him for a deer
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 21:40:50 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: lowrie@advection.engin.umich.edu


In article <Bxs4MJ.Epn@monitor.com>, michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson) writes:
> In article <JQD=ml-@engin.umich.edu> lowrie@eddy.engin.umich.edu (Robert  
> > had been killed by a drunk driver, I doubt we would have gotten such a
> > response in this group.
> 
> I _hope_ you are incorrect on this point.  Drunk driving is just as  
> reprehensible.

I hope so too.

> 
> > accidents are bound to happen.  Mr. Cook should get no more punishment
> > than a careless (NOT drunk or reckless) driver.
> 
> IMO, you are just plain wrong.  Someone with a gun should know _exactly_ what  
> they are pointing at before they pull the trigger.  To do any less is the  
> same as driving blindfolded, or drunk.  This is a case of manslaughter caused  
> by _negligence_ because the reasonable precautions which should have  
> prevented this tragedy were ignored.

My point, which you deleted, is that hunting is a legal activity,
whereas driving drunk and/or blindfolded are illegal.  Therefore, I
believe, and I think generally law in the U.S. would back me up (I'm
no lawyer), is that the punishment should be less in this case.  The
reason is that driving drunk or blindfolded are *premeditated*
reckless actions, whereas I doubt (although it could be the case) Mr.
Cook *intended* to shoot "anything that moves" the day he went
hunting.  If, for instance, Mr. Cook boasted to friends before he went
hunting that he was going to shoot anything that moves, then I agree
with you.

In these cases, I've heard that the hunter truly believes the person
he/she shot was a deer; I think they call this "Buck Fever".
-- 
 Rob Lowrie
 Aerospace Engineering Dept.
 University of Michigan
 lowrie@caen.engin.umich.edu
From: stewart@wilson.Stanford.EDU (Beth Stewart)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: ITB trouble
Keywords: knees, ITB, injury
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:54:19 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: wilson.stanford.edu

Hi, this is Beth with the recurrent (actually can not get rid of) ITB  
problem).. I am reposting on rec.running because I just found out about  
it.  I wear Nike Air Pegasus and have always worn Nike and until now they  
have worked great.  I have been running for about 12 years and tri-ing for  
5.. but I am completely stalled with this problem  almost two years ago  
after being in really good shape I added to my mileage because I wanted to  
do a half marathon.  Everything was fine until during a long run about 10  
miles my knee started hurting for the first time along the outside at the  
5 mile mark.  I kept running on it (I regret that decision every day) and  
byt eh end of the run.. well my knee had never recovered completely..I  
have tried orthotics..arthroscopic (which worked for about 6 months then  
the problem came right back after my first triathlon in about 1.5 years)  
..stretching (Ihave always done A LOT of stretching--now I do more)..not  
running (I HATE that) ...chiropractic (I was seeing one for a back injury  
when my knee started, he did not help) and expensive Nike shoes (the Air  
180's I think--my knee did not like them..too soft I think)..please let me  
know if you have any ideas for me--I am Desperate!! Beth
From: berkery@emmax5crd.ge.com (jack berkery)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Racing wheelchairs
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:50:56 GMT
Reply-To: berkery@emmax5crd.ge.com (jack berkery)
Organization: GE Research Center


for information contact:

National Wheel Chair Athletic Association
3617 Betty Dr, suite S
Colorado Springs, CO 80907
(719) 597-8330

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  berkery@crd.ge.com  "The Common Sense Coach"
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From: etxjlar@eua.ericsson.se (Jorgen Larsson)
Subject: Mysterious deaths in Sweden, todays news.
Reply-To: etxjlar@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 07:50:22 GMT

Latest news about the strange disease that have killed seven, 
maybe even ten, scandinavian orienteerers:

* Yesterday the Swedish skating assiciation prohibited the Swedish national 
team from training since it was released that one of the top Swedish skaters 
has had heart problems. He's OK now but they are waiting for the doctors to 
give a solution to the mystery.

* Last years world cup winner in orienteering talks about quitting due to the 
risk of dying.

/Jrgen Larsson
From: cah@mycenae.cchem.Berkeley.EDU (Charlie A. Henze)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Runner killed
Date: 17 Nov 1992 17:35:33 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: mycenae.cchem.berkeley.edu

| The shooter is at least criminally negligent, and more likely is
| gun toting, crotch scratching, whiskey swilling in-bred hill
| billy who hangs out in the woods looking for 'runner-boys' with
| pretty mouths.

Sure, just blame the hill-billy...
Personally, I wouldn't hunt with a shotgun.  But, maybe
he didn't have a rifle?
Maybe he was hungry for deer stew (it's great if you have never
had it).  
But seriously, I think the runner should know what kind of area
he is into.  Some people have already posted that perhaps
we (runners) shouldn't assume safety in every place all the time.

For example, I don't go running into West Oakland after dark.
I'm not going push my right-to access even though they are
public streets.

-- 
Charlie Henze, cah@iris.cchem.berkeley.edu
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From: billg@meaddata.com (Bill Gottschall)
Subject: Re: Air Hurache?
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:49:41 GMT
Reply-To: billg@meaddata.com
Distribution: na,world

In article <1992Nov23.182646.11576@cs.ucla.edu>, page@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Thomas Page) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov23.160122.6484@risky.ecs.umass.edu>, giovin@medr3.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
|> |> Since Nike comments are abundant now, I thought I'd ask if anyone
|> |> has Air Hurache?  They look neat, but not too promising as a 
<stuff deleted>
|> 
|> The Air Hurache is what it is: a light weight trainer/racer for light, efficient,
|> fast runners with no stride problems.  The only problem is that overly
|> successful marketing is causing people who need more
|> support/protection/stability to buy them.  Most of us will get injured if we run
|> in Huraches.  That does not make them a bad shoe; just the wrong shoe.
|> Tom
What about the higher cut cross trainer model?  Do they provide
more support/protection/stability?  I am currently planning
to buy a pair of these for aeroibics and the occasional 5 to 10K
run.  Any comments??

-- 
Bill Gottschall        (513) 252-8194         (513) 865-6800 (EXT 6396)
Mead Data Central      GKM Systems                  Fabrication Systems
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Dayton, Ohio 45401     Dayton, Ohio 45402      ...!uunet!meaddata!billg
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: gsurbeck@eng.umd.edu (Gregory D. Surbeck)
Subject: Re: Nike Any Good? (was: Nike Air Pegasus vs. Air Anodyne)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 18:12:36 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: na,world

A few years ago I ran a cross country season in Air Pegasus.  They
were okay but nothing phenomenal.  I switched to Asics and the Air
Pegasus just didn't compare.  I have watched the Pegasus's prices go
up and up and they just can't compete with shoes in a similar price
range.  I have a friend who's Airs blew out (not Pegasus) and she
can't afford to get another pair of shoes so she has to swim (perish
the thought)!  


Newsgroups: rec.running
From: hpzg0650@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hale P Zengingonul)
Subject: Re: Anodyne/Skylon/Exult-?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:04:50 GMT

mhespenheide@pomona.claremont.edu writes:

>     Having held off from changing shoes untill the end of the season (does
>Southern California have seasons?), I'm poking around for new shoes...I
>loved my Asics Gel-Lyte III's before being forced to switch to Air Pegasus's
>for more cushioning.  However, I'm not really satisfied with the Air Pegasus's;
>they feel sluggish or "dead".  Having followed the last few posts, I'll 
>probably try some Air Anodynes or Skylon II's, but I'd like to ask if anyone
>has good/bad reviews of the Asics Exults.  Are they worht the price?  How is
>the cushioning, and how is the support?

>Thanks,
>__
>Mark Hespenheide
>mhespenheide@pomona.claremont.edu

    Mark, currently I'm using my 4th or 5th pair of Asics Exults. They're very cushiony and
durable even if you're doing high mileage. Try to get them by mail before next year because
Asics is pulling out its 'Gel' series from mail order companies as Nike did with its 'Air' line.

							Pinar
							pinar@aero.ece.uiuc.edu


Newsgroups: rec.running
From: tordm@vand (Tord G.M. Malmgren)
Subject: re:mysterious runners death in Sweden
Reply-To: TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 10:11:50 GMT


 I seem to recall they all had an infection in their heart, cos of some
reason when they were training with a cold the infection "travelled" to
the heart... The bacteria TWAR seem to be some track they think is
doing the hard work by contaminating others




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               | BITNet  : TordM@SESUF51        | and NOT of this department!
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 Department of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden (Northern Europe)
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: ead@tmsoft (Elizabeth Doucette)
Subject: doctor's advice
Followup-To: rec.running
Reply-To: ead@TMSoftware.ca (Elizabeth Doucette)
Organization: EAD MoneyHealth Inc, Toronto, Canada
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:15:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.013014.23903@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> 
mep2y@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Mary Elizabeth Purcell) writes:

>     My name is Beth Purcell and I've been running since the
>age of ten.  I currently run for the University of Virginia.
>My problem is that I have been getting pounding headaches when
>I run.  This has been going on since the summer.  

>[...]

I tried email and it bounced.

I haven't had frequent headaches, but I have had some pounding
headaches, from running.  What I found out was I needed to see a
chiropractor.  When certain vertebrae are out of alignment, they put
pressure on a nerve(s) that gave me a headache bad enough, to make me
nauseated. 

Hope this helps.

Elizabeth
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: javier@cs.toronto.edu (Javier Pinto)
Subject: Re: Type of gloves?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:28:50 GMT

>In article <1992Nov20.182510.7333@europa.asd.contel.com> pascoe@rocky.gte.com (Dave Pascoe) writes:

>   I'd just be interested to hear what kinds of gloves other runners like
>   to use.

I normally run with polypropilene gloves (LIFA), which are appropriate down
to -10 Celsius. Below that, I don't remember (it's been a while since my
last run at those temperatures).

Javier.
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Walking vs. running
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:16:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Unocal Corporation

In article <1992Nov16.224212.5312@news2.cis.umn.edu> joed@mozart.cbs.umn.edu (Joe Dalsin) writes:
>I was having a good argument with a co-worker about the value of
>walking for fitness.  He seems to think that anything short of
>a 8 minute mile can't be called a workout.  
>
>So what's the scoop?  How does walking compare to running
>for fitness value?  Calorie burning?  Weight loss? Muscle tone? etc..

Fitness: that is a relative term- fit for what?  For the challenge of
everyday life, walking is a good as running.  For a strenuous or competitive
sport like soccer or mountain climb, the more strenuous the workout,
the easier it will be to do the sport.  The faster one walks, the more fitness benefit.

Calorie burning, weight loss: walking and running are approximately
equivalent per mile done.  One gets done faster running.

Injuries: Walkers have less injuries than runners.  Less strain on body parts.
Running requires more expensive equipment- i.e. good shoes- to prevent
injury.
From: rel@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: "Turntec" Running shoes????
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:32:42 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

I was just wondering if "Turntec"(sp?) running shoes are available in North
America? Here in New Zealand they are advertised on the TV by Alison Roe
(winner of New York marathon) and Rod Dixon. Are they any good and how much do
they cost? (US$). They are designed in the US but the ones available here in NZ
are made under licence in China (what isn't these days !!). Any comments ??


Rob.
From: yogi@coombs.anu.edu.au (Michael Hanslip)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Advice on technique???
Date: 19 Nov 92 03:48:00 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.76.2

For the past few months I have been playing around with different running
techniques. I.E., stride length, cadence, amount of kick, amount of push
off of the toes, etc...
Various combinations of these result in different sore muscles later on (the 
kind of sore that tells you you used them, not over used them) and some
have induced knee pains that are debilitating the next day.

So my question to long time runners is this:

How do I develop a suitable running technique for my 4-6 km 3-5 X/week 
regime that will not lead to long term problems?
This is something I never even considered before, I just thought I would go
run.
Since I got my orthotics, my technique has changed considerably over the 8 
months. Will it eventually settle down, or what????


thanks for the help, advice, opinions, discussion or whatever,
Michael Hanslip
yogi@coombs.anu.edu.au
--
Michael Hanslip
yogi@coombs.anu.edu.au  -  mdh410@csc.anu.edu.au
From: terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Mileage meters
Keywords: mileage bicycles
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:33:26 GMT
Organization: The Lafayette Group, St. Louis, MO.

Does anyone know where you can get the 'gadget' which is attached
to a bicycle and then used to measure distances? I know they are
often used by race officials to lay out a certified course.
What are they correctly called?
-- 
  Terry Linhardt                ...!wupost!jgaltstl!terry 
                                terry%jgaltstl.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu  
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: cs631112@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs631112)
Subject: Re: Advice on technique???
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:47:31 GMT


The advice I have been following, gleaned from a combination of magazines,
books, talks with physiologists, and guesswork, is:

Your optimum stride length = your natural stride length.  There is not
much you can do to change it.

Increased speed comes from quicker turnover.  This is developed through
speedwork (running intervals slightly faster than your intended race
speed with recoveries between to allow you to keep it up.)

Endurance comes from going out and slogging miles.  Ain't no other way.

I hope this helps.
-- 
                        Joshua Engel    |\
                        President,      |/ urgatorio
                    	                |  roductions
From: mks@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com (Mark Sanders)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Open season on runners (jogger is killed)
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:48:52 GMT
Followup-To: rec.running
Distribution: usa
Organization: Grass Valley Group
NNTP-Posting-Host: b4gdy02.gvg.tek.com

Living in the beautiful Sierra foothills, I've become a lover of the
wilderness trek, be it running, hiking or on bike.  My only fears 
have been intoxicated hunters (I've seen many in CA.), kids out
'shooting' and marijuana farmers protecting their crop.  I am
a believer in the right to bear arms, but having had bullets fly
in my direction more than once, I've grown sceptical.  I try to
dress as a non-target and I keep out of the woods for the first
2 weeks of deer season, but I am always on alert.  

Any combination of kids, alcohol and guns is bad.  Had Mr. Cook
been drinking before he shot the jogger?  It wasn't in our news
at all.  Hunting is not bad.  I have responsible friends who
depend on their hunting to help subsidize their budgets (for the
skeptics, they don't have fancy guns, plan big hunting trips or
spend much money at all to hunt).  Most of the accidents that I
have heard of was by 'party' hunters.  I've camped by hunters 
who have played cards and drank most of the night, slept till
noon, then blasted the hell out of the forest in the afternoons.
During the first week of deer season, no animal (including human)
is safe in the forest.

Our vast forest lands are the best places in the world to run.
Runners, hikers, bikers, horsepeople and yes, hunters, should be
able to enjoy them. I actually get madder at anyone who harms 
the forest by littering, tearing up trails, or any other
irresponsible act.  Anybody how harms any creature or the land
through irresponsible acts should be held accountable, and in
a major way.  Some of my favorite trails went up in smoke this
last summer because of human carelessness.  This winter, the
trails in these burned out areas will erode. However, there 
are runners, hikers, bikers, horsepeople and even hunters
who care (as well as my scout troop) out working on the trails,
and cleaning up the mess.  Runners cannot change society, but 
our good example can raise the awareness of those who follow.

Mark Sanders               the Grass Valley Group   Sierra Slowpokes
mks@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com     ph: 916-478-3632         Running Club
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From: "paul sakalauskas" <paul.sakalauskas@canrem.com>
Subject: oldest race in n.a.
Reply-To: "paul sakalauskas" <paul.sakalauskas@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 23 Nov 92 00:53:08 EST

On March 28, 1993 the oldest road race in North America, "The Around the
Bay Race" will take place. It is two years older than the Boston
Marathon. It is a 30 K race. This year Bill Rodgers will be running the
race and is going to go for the course record. He will also be speaking
at a dinner the  night before. For information on the race contact
Peter Rhodes
c/o Box 68022
Blakely Postal Outlet
Hamilton, Ontario
L8M 3M7
This race is really challenging and exciting.
                 Paul
Paul.Sakalauskas@canrem.uucp
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From: preston@dawn.cs.rice.edu (Preston Briggs)
Subject: cross country results
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:08:55 GMT


NCAA Division I, District 6 results

	Men		Women
	--------	--------
1	Arkansas	Arkansas
2	U Texas		Baylor
3	Baylor		Rice

Arkansas is pretty much unbeatable at this level.
Will they win Nationals again?

Only real surprise was UT beating Baylor in the men's race.
At conference, Texas was beaten badly.

Preston Briggs
From: tarmstro@metz.une.edu.au (tarmstro)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: RESULTS: Tokyo womens Marathon
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:31:44 GMT

Tokyo Women's marathon: 15th November.

1. Liz McColgan (Brit) 2.27.38
2. Katrin Dorre (Ger)  2.30.05
3. Ramila Burangulova (Russia) 2.30.34
4. Valentina Egorova  (Russia) 2.31.27 

From: kg@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Ken Gurley)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:19:48 GMT
Subject: Re: RollerBlades
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.running

If you decide to try inline skates as another form of training, try
using CARBONIC WHEELS on your skates. One or two per skate increases
the resistance = more intense workout.

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: prom@src.honeywell.com (Greg Prom)
Subject: Re: Nike Any Good? (was: Nike Air Pegasus vs. Air Anodyne)
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Distribution: na,world
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:58:11 GMT


In article <1992Nov20.143445.1818@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> tim@cs.cosc.georgetown.edu (Tim Snyder) writes:

> Is Nike as good as it is cracked up to be?  I say, No way.

I have used Nike Pegasus and Air Pegasus for many years. The older models
were very comfortable but the ones i've gotten in the last few years dont
seem to have nearly as much cushioning. Has anyone else observed this or
did I just happen to get defective shoes?

   prom@src.honeywell.com (Greg Prom)
   Honeywell Systems & Research Center 
   Minneapolis, MN
   
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   prom@src.honeywell.com (Greg Prom)
   Honeywell Systems & Research Center 
   Minneapolis, MN
   
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