From: jfisher@NETXWEST.COM ((Jonathan Fisher))
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Subject: Re: Flowers and Hill
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:57:44 GMT
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> >I don't really _care_ whether or not Gennifer was telling the truth.  That
> >is something between her and Bill because whatever happened, there seemed
> >to be no question about consent.  I.e., if Clinton and Flowers had an
> >affair that was mutually consentual then I am not really going to make
> >an issue of that because it says nothing about Bill Clinton.  If we were
> >going to judge all politicians base upon with whom they sleep then we'd
> >run out of politicians.
>
> 	My objection is not that Bill slept around, but that he lied about it,
> even when it was obvious that he had had an affair.
>
> >Anita Hill, on the other hand, accused Thomas of a serious crime and
> >that's not something I take lightly.
>
> 	I don't either, but on the issue of credibility, the fact that she
> waited 10 years (while staying in touch with Thomas) leads me to believe that
> she wanted to ride his coattails, and that the issue of sexual harassment was
> secondary to that.
> 	She *was* in the very agency that was supposed to protect women from
> that, for crying out loud!  If I were female, I'd be chastizing her for
 putting
> her political career in front of women's rights.
>
> 	Just my opinion.
>
> Brett'

> >Anita Hill, on the other hand, accused Thomas of a serious crime and that's
> not something I take lightly.
>
> Well Julie that not something I take lightly either. If it was a crime, why
> didn't she take it through the judicial system?  That is were we deal with
> serious crime. But then again purgury is a serious crime also maybe that's
> the reason. I think that this is something that should be investigated more
> to find out which is lying. I think that maybe you won't like the outcome.
>
> --mike.....
>

Two points.  First on Gennifer.  Although it has been widely known since
February and although you guys are both too biased too care and although
America has decided anyway I thought that I would clear this up.

The evidence that Gennifer lied is too overwhelming not to notice.  In the
first place, both CNN and ABC news examined the tapes and found that they
had been altered.  Second, Newsweek investigated Gennifer's story and found
that on many, many occasions events that took place could not possibly have.
For example, the hotel that she claims the she and Bill first consumated
their relationship, DIDN'T EXIST.  It was built 3 years later.  Third,
There were liason's that she claimed where Clinton was verifiably out of town.
Fourth, 1 year earlier she not only had categorically denied having any
affair with Clinton but put forth a letter via her attorney asserting that
she would sue anyone who claimed otherwise for slander/libel.
You can still believe otherwise, but I won't.

On Anita Hill, let's examine some facts here.  She told people ten years
prior that she had been sexually harrassed by Thomas.  If you have never been
sexually harrassed and I haven't been but I've been told you feel very
embarrassed by the incident(s) and you may not and many people don't feel
like coming forward immediately.  Especially when they are likely to meet
the reactions that you guys have put forward.  On the other hand, Thomas
LIED.  He lied about not discussing Roe.  He lied about not seeing Porno movies.
Another Point.  More women had come forward to testify that Thomas has
sexually harrassed them too, but Biden declined to put them on the stand.  The
reason that I have heard and I'll bet more comes out is that the Republicans
yelled and screamed that they didn't have enough time to investigate their
stories.  The truth of course, as usual for the Republicans is that they
didn't have enough time to get dirt on the would-be accusers.

That is why I don't believe Gennifer and I do believe Anita.

Jonathan Fisher
"Clinton in '96, Gore in '00 and '04"
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