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From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Whalom Park Season Pass Special
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:48:24 GMT
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

FYI -- 

Whalom park is again offering a discount on season passes
for their 1993 operating season (and their 100th year of
operation!!) -- Only $19.93 from now until December 25th,
1992.  The passes can be bought at the Park's Admin. Office,
which is open for business daily, Monday thru Friday, from
9am to 4pm.


(PS - Thanks to fellow NETer Joe Huber for the info).
Buck
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From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: New for 93 at the Beach/Boardwalk
Keywords: SCBB.  Chance Wipe-out.
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:19:11 GMT

Jim Jensen writes:

>    Just got word yesterday that the SCBB will be replacing the Auto
>Scooters (the older set of bumper cars down by the Dipper) with a Chance
>Wipe-out.  

COOL!  I've not rode a WIPEOUT yet, but everything I've read
about the ride is super positive!!  It's a variation on the old
Chance TRABANT ride ... same idea, only the seating is slightly 
different (seats go in 'forwards, backwards' order, and the ride
is on a tilted platform).


This ride has a Themed backdrop, so it should really go well
with SCBB's overall theming.
From: jhansen@convex.com (James Hansen)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Six Flags over Texas Op. Schedule
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:09:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: convex.jhansen.718661369
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Oct9.185116.27622@engage.pko.dec.com> buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com () writes:

>Well, SFoT is open weekends until sometime in January.  Hours
>are 10am til ???  (either 8 or 6pm, I forget).

Oct 10, 17, 24, and 31 - 10:00am to midnight
Oct 11, 18, 25, Nov 1 - 10:00am to 10:00pm

>SFoT is located
>on I-30 between Dallas and Ft. Worth.  I forget the airport
>route, but basically go East until you hit I-35, and follow
>that south to I-30.  It's about a 30 minute drive from the Airport
>to the park.

No, no, no!  Take the south exit from the airport.  Pick up 183 West.
Take 360 South.  SFoT is off of 360 just south of I-30.  You should see
signs.  The name of the street is either Six Flags Drive or Road To
Six Flags (no joke).

--
James B. Hansen                                  {sun,uunet}!convex!jhansen
CONVEX Computer Corporation                              jhansen@convex.com
3000 Waterview Parkway, P. O. Box 833851
Richardson, TX 75083-3851                              Phone: (214)497-4802
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From: sld@cbnewse.cb.att.com (steve.l.dennis)
Subject: Speaking of Simulators....
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:43:52 GMT
Keywords: PC Software

There has been a couple of articles about some software due to be
released by Disney that allows you to "build" a coaster and have the
program show you a ride on your "masterpiece". The last I heard, it
was due to be out sometime this fall and I think it is called
"Coaster". Does anybody have any information on this......I just got
a new 486DX-33 and I'm hot to trot for this type of thing! Oh well,
I'll just have to be patient until my next coaster "fix". Bring on
"Texas Giant III".


Steve "See y'all in big D" Dennis
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From: Thorsten_Kitz@mk.maus.de (Thorsten Kitz)
Subject: Re: A simulated coaster ride
Organization: Mausnet
X-Gateway: MausGate/Mail 1.14
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:16:00 +0000

Hey Geoff

Geoff Allen wrote on Wed. 07th of October 1992 at 15:35 in
rec.roller-coaster:

GA> Geoff ``Should I ride Star Tours or the Matterhorn first?'' Allen

If you come early I would say "Star Tours", if you come during the day
"Matterhorn".

Bye for now,

Thorsten.
From: aq009@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David A. Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Seats: you choose vs. they choose (Re: 2nd BATMAN!! - was Re: SHOCKWVAE heads south!)
Date: 15 Oct 1992 23:31:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aq009@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David A. Johnson)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, cehagen@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu ("Christopher E. Hagen") says:

>  Kings Island:
>
>      Beast: You choose
>      King Cobra: You Choose
>      The Racers: You Choose
>      The Vortex: Depends on how crowded they are

	I've always been able to choose, even on crowded days.  (But even
if they do occasionally assign seats, at least the line breaks into "back"
and "front" sections--although they aren't labeled.)

>      The Beastie: You choose
>      Adventure express: No choice

I forget what the policy was last year, but this year they let you choose
(and the back seat is great!).  The line splits for "front" and "rear"
sections on this ride, too (and they have an extended waiting area for the
back seats, and, I assume, the front as well).  

 
-- 
_________________         David "Buddy" Johnson         _________________
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   looking for    \       "The Beast is always        /  seems to have." 
    something...   \       lurking in ambush."       /     -Mudhoney
From: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Counting of coasters
Date: 7 Oct 1992 14:20:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Well I guess I was mistaken then...If racers count twice, and
no flume rides, then I would have 36 coasters on my puny list.
OK that still is better than 30.  =)

By the way Bill, I haven't been to the Point since that bobsled
ride was "changed".  Just out of curiosity, what did they do to
it?  The impression I'm getting is that they built a building 
around it and it is in the dark or something.  

Just looking for a clue.

Mike Cornell

How do you work those editor thingys to get the ACTUAL type from
someone else's post on your post?...asked the sig.
From: cf170@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kevin R. Russell)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: A simulated coaster ride
Date: 9 Oct 1992 23:16:04 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cf170@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kevin R. Russell)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu

On  Back to the Future, important note.  All rides are not created equal.

The ride was programmed from a position known as the "hero seat"  This is
the position in the center of the ride.  To match the ride of the other
cars to the movie, they were toned down.  Try for the second level for
the best ride.  Attempt to be towards the center of the building.  

p.s. friends don't let friends ride E.T.

-- 
Kevin Russell 	
				"Read my lips, no more inflammatory messages"
				me
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From: huber@cntrol.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Unique Amusement Rides (old ones)
Reply-To: huber@cntrol.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 13:32:56 GMT


In article <1992Oct13.203216.3388@sei.cmu.edu>, mapike@sei.cmu.edu
 (Mary Ann Pike) writes:
|>If they did indeed have the auction at Conneaut Lake already, does anyone
|>know what happened to the Tumble Bug? I understand that there are only 2
|>others operating in the country (one at Kennywood). There used to be one
|>at West View; I don't know what happened to it when they tore down the
|>park.

Good question; if anyone does know who bought the CLP tumble bug, I'd be curious
also.  The other operating tumble bug, and the only one still running in both
directions, is at Whalom Park (Lunenburg, MA).

Chippewah Lake (?, OH - 10 minutes from Akron) has a tumble bug that's SBNO.

|>West View was a great park for old rides. In addition to the Tumble Bug, 
|>it had a 

|>1) Whip.  Kennywood's is the only other one that I know of, except for the 
|>   small one at Conneaut Lake)

I know of two others - Whalom Park has one, and Playland (Rye, NY) has one.
Playland also has a kiddie-whip.

|>2) Suspended sailplane ride - you could move the rudder to make the plane
|>   go in and out (or dive and rise, depending on how you look at it). 
|>   The only other one I've seen is at King's Island.

Again, Whalom has one.

|>3) Caterpillar - complete circle of cars with a cover that came over the
|>   entire train during the ride, with a blower at one point underneath. I
|>   don't know of any of these still operating, and West View had actually
|>   removed theirs before they closed.

The only one I know of in operation is at Canobie Lake Park (?, NH).

|>Also, I have never seen anything like Kennywood's Kangaroo anywhere else.
|>Is this a unique ride? What other old rides are coming close to extinction?

Far too many, in my book.  The walk-through fun house is almost extinct
in the U.S., and I've never seen another ride like Whalom's roll-o-planes
(is that the right name, Buck?).  There are only two racing carousels
left (Cedar Point and Playland), with Cedar Point's the only one that
still races (though Playland's goes much faster).

I would heartily recommend Whalom Park, Playland, and Kennywood to anyone
who enjoys old-time rides.

Joe
From: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Coaster Names
Date: 16 Oct 1992 03:42:16 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


Hey just wondering...but in Nat'l Lampoon's Vacation, what was the
name of the Revolution changed to in Wally World?

Mike Cornell
From: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Kings Dominion, and any hope for Florida?
Date: 8 Oct 1992 18:35:59 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


Bruce..I can help you out on your first question.

	Having been to KD 5 times in the past 6 years, I still
enjoy the park.  The screams are pretty good.  The Anaconda was
put in a year ago, and although I have expressed my thoughts
about it not reaching it's potential, it's not a bad ride.  It
is located over the lake, with the first drop going into
an underwater tunnel, and it has 4 loops.  The Avalanche bobsled
is the best sled ride I have ridden, although CP's is supposed
to be much better.  The Shockwave is there, The best standup
ride I have ridden.  Rebel Yell is still there, one track going
forwards, and one backwards.  And the Grizzly is still there,
I still like this one for the fact that if you come in line at 
about 30 mins to closing...you can usually just stay on the ride.
KD is one of the finer parks in that area.  Doesn't have the
themeing of Busch Gardens, nut it's got a good atmosphere.  And
as for Hersey, it should still be far superior.

Mike Cornell
From: vibrad@os2dce06.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Kings Dominion, and any hope for Florida?
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:16:48 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

Places to go from North Central Florida (I assume you are in Gainesville or
somewhere there'bouts)...

Go West, to Panama City Beach, FL, where you will find Miracle Strip
Amusement Park.  The Starliner is there, and it is an out and backer'.

(side info: They have been trying to sell the park for the past couple
of years and this year they might just have a buyer.  So this place
might expand or just sink out of existence.  The guy thinking of buying
it has a couple of local-chain arcades in the area and seeing that is 
his business, I would guess that he would leave it as is or expand it
somewhat)


Go North, to Atlanta Georgia, Six Flags over Georgia.


Go to the East coast of Florida.  I remember traveling up the east coast
of Florida a few years back and I seem to remember a couple of very small
Amusement parks there right on the beach but I cant tell you exactly where
or if they have coasters. 


Go West past Panama City Beach (on US 98) and into Destin, somewhere on the 
right side of the road (as you travel west) will be a small coaster (wooden).
Kind of reminds me of the Scooby Doo Coaster at KD in VA.  I have never 
seen it run but I have also never been over (or passing through) during the
busy season.. (Destins a nice place to visit anyway).

As far as Busch Gardens, Tampa goes: I went there in 1990 for about a 1/2 hour
and left.  The Python was a waste of steal and the scorpion was better but still
nothing worth more than one ride.

Brad
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From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 14:58:06 GMT
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Subject: Re: Disney stuff (was Re: A simulated coaster ride)
Summary: 
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curt@foundation.wpd.sgi.com (Curt Schimmel) writes:
>The ride is indoors
>in a doomed building, like Space Mountain, and the artist's rendering
      ^^^^^^
>shows a huge canon mach-up running from the ground to the peak of the
                    ^^^^
>dome.  Looks cool.  To be open in the '94-'95 timeframe.

Obviously, the ``mach'' speeds of the launch will ``doom'' all riders. 

;^)

Geoff ``Sorry, I just couldn't help myself'' Allen

-- 
Geoff Allen          \  Why is it that no one ever admits to watching Hee Haw
uunet!pmafire!geoff   \  but they all know the words to ``Where, Oh Where,
geoff@pmafire.inel.gov \  Are You Tonight?''
From: curt@foundation.wpd.sgi.com (Curt Schimmel)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Disney stuff (was Re: A simulated coaster ride)
Date: 13 Oct 1992 01:18:24 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: foundation.wpd.sgi.com

In <1b6t6pINNj0@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell) writes:


>I don't know what the Matterhorn is like, although I have heard
>it's good.  What would Mt Fiji be, it would HAVE to be steel, 
>since all of Japan's rides are.  

Well, I don't think it matters what they have in Japan.  Disney will do
what they want.  In any event, it would probably be very similar to the
Matterhorn at Disneyland: a bobsled type coaster where the trackwork
snakes in and around a scale version of the Matterhorn/Mt. Fuji.  Lots
of quick turns and dips, some in the dark; no big drops or inversions.
All nicely themed and very pretty to look at.  I generally prefer
gut-wrenching G-forces myself, but I've always found the Matterhorn
kind of fun too.

>Would Disney actually thing about
>putting in a ride with inversion elements?  

Sure.  In fact they've announced "Discovery Mountain" which will be
built at EuroDisney.  It will contain multiple inversions and a
corkscrew.  Plus the ride begins with the riders being "shot out of a
canon into space" to quote Tony Baxter, the head man for EuroDisney.
So, a Lighting Loops style launch up hill perhaps?  The ride is indoors
in a doomed building, like Space Mountain, and the artist's rendering
shows a huge canon mach-up running from the ground to the peak of the
dome.  Looks cool.  To be open in the '94-'95 timeframe.

Curt
From: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Great Adventure
Date: 12 Oct 1992 20:18:57 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


BATMAN the ride will have 5 to 6 hour long lines!  I don't care 
what the ride is, NOTHING is worth that long a wait.  But, given
the New York and Philly crazies that come up there, yeah I can
see it happening.  Well I guess I'll visit the park during Fall
Break next year, during Oktoberfest.  If I remeber right, the 
crouds aren't too bad then.  Otherwise I'll have to visit on a
Tuesday or a Thursday, correct me if I'm wrong, but those days
seem to give the least crowds at most parks.  

As for the B&M standup, is that the company that made the Vortex
standup, or something like that, I don't remember what the ride
was called.  But anyways, didn't they design the ride thateveryone was###

raving about a few weeks ago?  If so, I hope the design will be
batter than the old Shockwave.  It seemed kinda boring to me.

Another thing about BATMAN that just occured to me.  Is there a
paricular reason they are calling it BATMAN?  It seems to me that
the BATMAN name was chosen in conjunction with the movie at 
the other park, whose name once again eludes me.  It just looks
like the timing would be very bad on something like this.  Look
what happened to the old Saryavio Bobsled ride.  It was just
well out of date after the 84 Olympics.  The same type of thing
might just occur here with BATMAN.  Especially if the third
installment flops, there is no doubt that there will be another
one.  Maybe they could name it for something local that would
give it the same type of feel.  The Jersey Devil comes to mind.
Of course, the color would have to be changed to red, but it 
would seem to me like that would be a more ORIGINAL name.  But
again, this IS a Six Flags park, so I would NEVER expect ANYTHING
but originality. (yes this is sarcasm)

Mike Cornell

Looking for original coaster names..how about SwampThing?
From: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Coaster Names
Date: 14 Oct 1992 19:16:28 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


Nasty Weather phenomenon....OK here goes

The Flood
Lightning Strikes Twice - BONUS! Cool initials - LST
Monsoon
Massive Upheaval - Upheaval as in earthquake

Sorry some are for water rides, but I tried, it easier for me to
do stuff like

GORG - it'll keep people wonderig what the intials stand for,
       but they mean nothing. hehe =)

Mike "having creativity block" Cornell
From: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Coaster Cloning (was Re: Six Flags Policies)
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:45:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


Geoff...
	My problem with the SF clones is the fact that they 
usually try to hide the fact that they are clones.  Why did they 
have to make the GASM three feey higher than the Shockwave? who
cares.  Why wasn't the GASM just called Shockwave..it's the same 
ride.  Oh, maybe they wanted to give the impression that they
are different, but they aren't.  They are fooling the public
when they do this.
	Another problem that occurs is when people decide to 
vacation somewhere, and decide to take in the local SF park, they
see that it has the same rides as the one back home.  I'm not
an ACEer, yet, and I still make trips with my family to a park
not in the Philadelphia vicinty in order to try something new.  
If I went to a SF park and found that it was the same as SFGAd
ride wise, I would be very upset that I spent my $50 on something
that I would only have to drive 45 mins to.

that's all 4 now

Mike "pretty soon they'll all be alike" Cornell
From: aq009@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David A. Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Unique Amusement Rides (old ones)
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:46:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1bfg4hINNcmk
Reply-To: aq009@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David A. Johnson)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, mapike@sei.cmu.edu (Mary Ann Pike) says:

>2) Suspended sailplane ride - you could move the rudder to make the plane
>   go in and out (or dive and rise, depending on how you look at it). 
>   The only other one I've seen is at King's Island.

I wonder how many of these there are around.  They look so incredibly old,
especially in the shadow of modern rides.  They've got a really simple (but
effective, I guess) design to them.  

I know of another place that has one of these: Holiday World in Santa
Claus, Indiana.  (It's America's oldest theme park, you know.)
-- 
_________________         David "Buddy" Johnson         _________________
      "I'm       \     aq009@cleveland.freenet.edu     /   ...no one
   looking for    \       "The Beast is always        /  seems to have." 
    something...   \       lurking in ambush."       /     -Mudhoney
From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Six Flags Policies (was Re: Coaster Names)
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:44:14 GMT
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

>As for KD not letting you ride the Rebel Yell in whatever seat you
>want, I think they don't have the room for it.  There's no room
>in the station.  It's been a while since I've been to KI so correct
>me if I'm wrong, but I think the Racer has a bit more room in the 

Just so no one is confused, King's Island and King's Dominion are
operated by the King's Entertainment Corporation.  I see the
note title says "Six Flags Policies".  That is not applicable here.


>If I recall correctly from the queue line for the GASM, the 
>Shockwave is the same ride except the lift hill on the GASM 
>is three feet higher. WOW-WE-WOW! I sure am impressed.

The GASM and the Shockwave 7-loopers are NOT the same ride
in any way, shape, or form.  Sure, the both have a 1st drop 
distance of 155', and the same order of the 7 loops, but the
similarities end there.  The first drop angles are entirely
different, as are the track superelevation and distances
between elements.
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From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 16:51:34 GMT
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Subject: Re: Dale "quote" English -- Update
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buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com () writes:
| Dale "I love all Arrow Coasters" English has had a 
| revelation, and has seen the light!!  Dale reports
| "Man, that Scwarzkopf Looping Star was a dynamite little
| coaster!!  I had to get used to the positive g's pulling
| me forward in the loop (the lack of horse collar restraints
| allow for more body movement under g forces), and I hit my
| head a couple of times, but after I got used to it, I loved
| it".  

It was only a matter of time.  I knew he'd come around. ;^)

Geoff ``I've actually ridden more Schwarzkopfs than Arrows'' Allen

(And I've never ridden one of the Arrow multi-element extravaganzas!)

--
Geoff Allen          \  Please remain seated and keep your hands and arms
uunet!pmafire!geoff   \  above your head at all times.  Enjoy your ride.
geoff@pmafire.inel.gov \
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From: sysop@elan.glassboro.edu (Ken Denton (Supervisor))
Subject: What's this Wild One Mania?
Keywords: wild one maryland
Organization: Glassboro State College, Glassboro, NJ
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:25:44 GMT


	Anyone have more details on the Wild One Mania in Maryland?  I have 
never even heard of the park, so I don't know what's there.  I will be going 
to Phall Phun Phest in Knoebels on Saturday, and would be interested in 
going to Largo, MD if it sounds good.

	Thanks in advance for info.

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