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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 10:28:00 EDT
From:         "Stephen E. Bacher" <seb1525@MVS.DRAPER.COM>
Subject:      Re: address link
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On Thu, 9 Apr 1992 12:19:53 -0900 "David J. DeWolfe"
<SXDJD%alaska.bitnet@surname.draper.com> wrote:

>i'm attempting to link or attach to a module following the examples on
>page 35/36 of the MVS/REXX reference (sc28-1883).
>the module is being invoked, but the parm is not being passed correctly.
>
>the module i'm trying to link to is a (sas) C module and the main is
>declared as:    main(int argc, char *argv[])
>
>we're at TSO 2.1.0 . any help would be greatly appreciated.

If you were at TSO/E 2.3.1 (which we aren't either), you'd have
ADDRESS LINKMVS to play with, as indicated by other postings,
but you don't.  On top of this, C has to take parameters passed
via standard MVS conventions and munge them into argc/argv format,
so it needs that interface.  I recommend that you just call the
program or compile it as a TSO command processor and execute it
as a command.

Btw, C/370 will also take your parameter string and make it all
lowercase if it is all uppercase, no matter what you do.
The only way to pass uppercase data to C is to include at least
one lowercase character in the parameter string, if possible.
This is IBM's interpretation of the ANSI spec for handling
operating systems that (supposedly) don't have case-sensitive
parameter passing conventions.

 - SEB
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From:         310 Denis DeLaRoca 825-4580 <CSP1DWD@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject: Re: printf & /n (portability?)

>  Right.  I want a program which can communicate with itself
>  across a network.  But the ends aren't running on the same
            ^^^^^^^
>  type of machine.  Pass C structures? Ha.  Pass ints? Ha.

Isn't this discussion misplaced, the key word being "network",
use ASN.1 and then you will achieve the desired effect... that's
what SNMP does and it permits it to achieve quite a degreee of
portability.

-- Denis
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Subject: Re: printf & /n
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> quite flexible.   On UNIX,  you can use it in the traditional UNIX way;
> on CMS,  you can use it for block-mode disk I/O and 3270 screen I/O.

Can you say "Portability"? 

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From:         NAT_ANJOS@MCK01.EBT.ANRJ.BR
Subject:      Re: PO <--> PS

>Do you have a utility that catenates members of a PO dataset onto
>a PS dataset... and then does the reverse, reconstruct the PO library
>from the PS dataset?
>
>-- Denis

   You can do this with the IEBCOPY utility.

Wagner
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From:         310 Denis DeLaRoca 825-4580 <CSP1DWD@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      PO <--> PS

Do you have a utility that catenates members of a PO dataset onto
a PS dataset... and then does the reverse, reconstruct the PO library
from the PS dataset?

-- Denis
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From:         "Stephen E. Bacher" <seb1525@MVS.DRAPER.COM>
Subject:      Re: printf & /n
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On Fri, 10 Apr 1992 07:54:22 CDT
GLWARNER%SAMFORD.BITNET@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu wrote:

>I wrote my first C program on an IBM VM/CMS platform yesterday (to
>let you know where I am).
>
>Not terrible.  Sure beats REXX!

Other than the fact that C is a compiled language, WHY?????????

>Anyway, I think I am having a conceptual problem here.  In standard C,
>if I do a printf, without a \n, and then a scanf, the user input
>shows up after the printf output.  But on C370, it seems that NOTHING
>shows up until I do the \n.

This is supposed to be fixed by VM PTF UL66364 (APAR PL54700) for V1R2.
I think the fix has been incorporated into V2, but I'm not sure.
(I know that it works properly on our MVS V2R1 C/370, but I can't find
the MVS PTF number of the fix.)

>Also, is there a good "guide" to C370 idiosyncracies?

Not that I know of - the best guide to C/370 idiosyncrasies may be
this newsgroup.  You might want to ask Michael Van Norman
<ECL4MVN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> for the latest list of SHARE requirements
against C/370.  That's a good indication of the current set of
misfeatures in the product that IBM has not acknowledged as bugs.

Hope this helps...

 - Steve Bacher
   Draper Laboratory
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:40:42 CDT
From:         GLWARNER@SAMFORD.BITNET
Subject:      IBMBLIIA

I am trying to compile and link a program that I have to do SOUNDEX
coding.  I GLOBAL LOADLIB EDCLINK, and GLOBAL TXTLIB IBMLIB EDCBASE,
and then I CC SOUNDEX, CPLINK SOUNDEX, CMOD SOUNDEX, and I have a module.
                                                                 a
It works great, unless I IPL or logoff.  Then it gives me a DMSLIO201W
and says it wants IBMBLIIA, and that its undefined.

If I redo my globals, it works fine, but it should be working already!

Does this indicate that I failed to #include something?

Thanks


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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 07:54:22 CDT
From:         GLWARNER@SAMFORD.BITNET
Subject:      printf & /n

I wrote my first C program on an IBM VM/CMS platform yesterday (to
let you know where I am).

Not terrible.  Sure beats REXX!

Anyway, I think I am having a conceptual problem here.  In standard C,
if I do a printf, without a \n, and then a scanf, the user input
shows up after the printf output.  But on C370, it seems that NOTHING
shows up until I do the \n.

Can someone help me out?

Also, is there a good "guide" to C370 idiosyncracies?

I have the C/370 Reference Summary, C/370 General Info, C/370 Installation
Guide, Diagnosis Guide and Reference, and User's Guide.

Thanks for any help...


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From: TROTH@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (Rick Troth)
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Subject: Re: printf & /n
Date: 12 Apr 92 16:27:57 GMT
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>   In standard C,
>   if I do a printf, without a \n, and then a scanf, the user input
>   shows up after the printf output.  But on C370, it seems that NOTHING
>   shows up until I do the \n.
>
>As far as I have interpreted the holy scripture (ANSI C standard)
>correctly, the standard does not require that output buffer be
>flushed before the program goes to input wait. It is just common
>behaviour. And of course it's a nuisance that C370 behaves
>differently. But I'm afraid it's an unavoidable feature that
>results from the characteristics of the I/O system in 370
>architecture: one cannot output a partial line, i.e. a line
>which does not end with an end-of-line.

        More accurately,  the 360/370/390 I/O subsystem off-loads the
burden of input/output from the CPU.   CPU says "here, go do this" to
one of the channels.   If that "here, go do this" means get a single
byte,  then it's going to be considerably slower than the latest micros.

        The problem is that you're trying to get CMS or MVS to act like
UNIX or MS-DOS.   Don't do that.   They weren't designed for that kind
of processing.   (and the converse is also true)

        Now think carefully:  there's nothing in the language that
mandates that you use it in a non-block-mode fashion.   C is really
quite flexible.   On UNIX,  you can use it in the traditional UNIX way;
on CMS,  you can use it for block-mode disk I/O and 3270 screen I/O.

 Rick Troth <TROTH@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU> -------- Rice Univ, I/S VM Systems Support
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:02:00 PDT
From:         310 Denis DeLaRoca 825-4580 <CSP1DWD@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Ooops, sorry about last posting...

It was directed to Stephen Bache and not the list, sorry!

-- Denis
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Date:         Sun, 12 Apr 1992 19:42:00 PDT
From:         Michael Stein <CSYSMAS@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: printf & /n (portability?)

> Can you say "Portability"?

Right.  I want a program which can communicate with itself
across a network.  But the ends aren't running on the same
type of machine.  Pass C structures? Ha.  Pass ints? Ha.

C's portability consists of the environment it drags along,
namely UNIX (and a large effort to hid the above networking
problem).

PS: I think C has a lot of nice ideas, especially since
    ANSI C.  Someday I may figure out how to edit and
    print all those characters IBM doesn't have.  :-)
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:31:00 CDT
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From:         "815 Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980"
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Subject:      Re: America's Cup

Peter, and all others ...

Because the wind off San Diego was a bit late awakening, the
races got started about 2.5 hours late.  Thanks to daylight saving
time, there was enough light left to finish the races in sunlight,
although the boats carry proper navigation lights for night sailing.

ESPN ran an abridged report from 11:15 pm, CDT until 1:00 am.  I,
defying the clock, stayed up late and watched it.

On the challenger side, NIPPON defeated IL MORO DI VENEZIA, in a
race that only counts for pride, the Italians clinching a spot in
the finals and the Japanese heading home one $150,000.00 boom (why
does the bandwidth pig marvel so over that number) lighter.

NEW ZEALAND defeated VILLE DE PARIS by about five minutes to earn
the other challenger spot.

In today's racing, NEW ZEALAND face IL MORO DI VENEZIA and NIPPON
and VILLE DE PARIS sail for the consolation prize.

In the defender race, Buddy Melges, Dave Dellenbaugh, Kimo
Worthington, and Bill Campbell used the shifty wind experience
they developed at Geneva or Pewaukee to get a good start and sail
on the lifted tack, with AMERICA**3 leading STARS & STRIPES all the
way around the course.  They gave a clinic in the importance of the
lifted tack downwind also ... after rounding the 7th mark 36 seconds
ahead of STARS AND STRIPES, AMERICA**3 all of a sudden gybed onto
port.  The commentators were going nuts -- When you're leading, stay
between the other boat and the mark, the first rule of match racing
is to cover, bla bla bla.   Meanwhile AMERICA**3 is sailing into
much stronger wind, and once she gets the stronger wind then she
gybes to cover and finishes the race two minutes in front.

AMERICA**3 race KANZA today.  STARS & STRIPES race KANZA Friday and
AMERICA**3 Saturday.  Dennis Conner still has an excellent chance of
qualifying for the finals.

A sailor at the Lake Geneva Yacht Club taught me that gybe for the
strong wind trick two summers ago.  I was chasing him by 30 feet
and all of a sudden he gybed and overtook a boat 300 feet ahead of
him by the downwind mark.  Later he got on my case: "When you see
a boat ahead of you gybe all of a sudden look around ... he may not
be doing the right thing but you ought to check for more wind."

Speaking of Lake Geneva Yacht Club, the April '92 SAIL is the
America's Cup Commemorative Issue.  In the team profile on p. 87,
Buddy Melges is pictured wearing his Lake Geneva Yacht Club cap ...
the black-red-black pennant is our club burgee.

Steve Karlson

Get a good start and sail on the lifted tack.
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Bitnet or Internet WORDS-L?

Natalie,

     I try to read every single message, though now that I am restricted
to 2400 baud that is extrremely difficult.  I do not claim to understand
everything that meanders through the threads, but I take a shot at every
post that comes my way.

The Ronin
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From:         "PLOTKIN, ALEC DAVID" <185422285%UCIS.VILL.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Ashe and AIDS
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JESUS CHRIST

I am sorry I brought up the issue of Arthur Ashe. I was making a
statement of fact. I was not passing judgements or saying he has
AIDS because he was evil. I heard some news and passed it on.
Words-l of course blows it up into a major AIDS discussion.
Could we end the issue. I hear plenty about AIDS because
my father and others are working on a vaccine. His
friend is the Hillary Koprowski who was made famous
by the recent Rolling Stone article.



later

alec
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Goodbye

Reporteth     Anne Harwell <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>

>Back in the bad old days, we were allocated a cartain number of CPU seconds for
>a class, and if we ran out before the semester ended, we failed the class. In
>reward for efficient usage of the System 36, we were also awarded extra credit
>points for CPU seconds remaining in our accounts at the end of the semester.

     I heartily endorse attitudes like this for teaching students to
think about what they are doing instead of blinding pounding until
something looks like it worked.  (Blind pounding has its place, but it
grates on my nerves to be taught this as the primary paradigm.)  As a
counterpoint, when I took a class on the commands of the operatinG
system at Mines, we gained points for using up CPU seconds.  The
teacher's attitude was that if we weren't testing out the commands we
hadn't gained an adequate appreciation of what the commands could do
for us.  I got an 'A' for my CPU usage, in part because I also become
one the best at a multi-player game.

The Ronin
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From:         Judith Schrier <PRIMATE%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Wagner's Law
Comments: To: words-l@uga.cc.uga.edu

>Hey, Judith Schrier, are you volunteering to join the nit-pick
>squad?
Volunteering? Hell, no! That's what I do for a *living*!

>Bill's post was rather complete and Lisa will certainly be
>able to put together a good bibliography if she gets her butt in
>gear.
No question. But there was a nit, and my job is "Pick it!"

>Steve Karlson
judith, Professional Editor
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Tarmac rugrats
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On Mon, 6 Apr 1992, The Ronin wrote:

 She also found it necessary to
> explain to me that whatever my achievement, I could of (i.e. should
> of) done better.  Her remark when I won the Mathematics Achievement
> Award my senior year in high school was, "And why didn't you win the
> Chemistry Achievement as well?".

I can identify with this.  This was my father's standard response to any
achievement on my part.  In the last few years I've decided that part of
his reason for doing this was that he had a big thing about humility,
and didn't want me to get stuck on myself (not a big problem---I had a
world-class inferiority complex), and part of it was because he thought
he was encouraging me to try harder and accomplish more.  Well-intentioned
 probably, but it *did* hurt.  I used to wonder what I could ever do to
make him proud of me.

I'm still seeking my mother's approval, too, but I've gotten better
about recognizing it and at least trying to stop.
ndh
From: gtoal@castle.ed.ac.uk (Graham Toal)
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Subject: Re: nouns
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:44:07 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <WORDS-L%92041013551710@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (The Ronin) writes:
:Asketh        Janet Teuber <C0229@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
:
:> And since you mentioned "memoize" it reminded me that in word processing
:> manuals I keep seeing "to bold a text".  That one really bothered me,
:> but I couldn't come up with a succinct substitute except "to highlight".
:
:     What is wrong with "To make text bold ..."?  I had a great deal
:of fun with this when I was handed the draft of the documentation for
:an IBM-PC based package the company had written.  I used up a red pen
:making changes like this (and correcting incorrect information).  I
:was never allowed near the documentation again.
:
:The Ronin


Memoize is a useful word in the restricted sense of turning an
arbitrary function into a memo-function in functional programming
languages like ML (*).  [Memo functions have to be idempotent so
that the memo-manager can remember the arguments from every call
and the results, in order to omit the computation stage the
next time a call turns up with the same arguments. A very
underused mechanism in CS I'm afraid]

I use 'embolden' for 'to make text bold', though sometimes I wonder
whether it should be 'enbolden' to distinguish it from a text which
has been given courage :-)

Graham
(*): Actually I've never seen it in ML though it would be trivial
to implement since functions are first-class objects and can be
partially applied; I actually saw it in POP2 which is a hackers
delight of a language.  Still one of my favourites after all these
years.
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE%IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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the light at the end of the tunnel





will be turned off until further notice.



dan  (one of the many, I imagine, who will get no raise next year,
      same as all other Idaho state employees)
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 08:55:07 CDT
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From:         Frank Peters <fwp%CC.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CALLING ALL STUDENTS OF RUSSIAN
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In article <9204130938.AA10638@isis.sics.se> torkel%SICS.SE@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
 says:
>  Frank writes:
>
>>In the course of his research into computability Turing demonstrated
>>that any computable mathematical problem (some aren't...Kurt Godel
>>proved that) could be computed by a mechanical device with a certain
>>minimal set of features.
>
>  Alas, Turing demonstrated nothing of the kind.

Interesting.  What did he demonstrate with his turing machine principles
then?  Enquiring minds want to know...

>                                                 Furthermore, Godel's
>work did not at all concern computability in the relevant sense, but
>undecidable propositions, which is another concept.

Godel's work was in decidability...very much a sister field of
computability.

Both Turing and Godel did work in answering Hilbert's challenge. Godel
created the halting problem and Turing proved that it was unsolvable.

Admittedly, the details of who 'proved' what would require more time
than I'm willing to put in to clarify.  But I believe my broad
statements to be accurate if not detailed.

>  >The theory and practice behind actually BUILDING one didn't seem to
>  >interest him in the least.
>
>  On the contrary, Turing was very intimately involved in the actual building
>of the first British computer.

Turing was indeed involved in the project.  He did much of the seminal
work in algorithmic and mechanical computing.  The principles which
he developed are still basic to computing today.

But all of his work was pen and paper theory.  He never wrote a computer
program (at least none of significance) and he never constructed or
directly supervised the construction of a computer.

Voltaire had about as much participation in the writing of the US
Declaration of Independence as Turing had in the actual low level
design and building of a computer.

>  >Oh goody!  Finally a topic that I know something about.
>
>  Hmm...

Wow.  I can say that too...see:

Hmm...
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 09:43:28 CDT
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From:         Frank Peters <fwp%CC.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: words-l history
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In article <WORDS-L%92040920594207@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> Dan Lester
 <ALILESTE%IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU> says:
>On Thu, 9 Apr 1992 05:39:24 CDT Natalie Maynor said:
>>I hope that's not a threat that you are going to divorce yourself from
>>the list!!  Ra will forgive you for insulting it by getting it confused
>>with a VM system.  Ra is very forgiving.  I abuse it frequently.
>                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>True  confessions time, huh, Natalie?
>
>Hope Frank doesn't see that msg on Usenet

I see *every* message Natalie posts to usenet.  I'd read her mail but
she gets so damned MUCH of it.

I've got to keep a close eye on what these hooligan users say about me
don't I?

--Fwp, sys.nazi to the list goddess...

P.S.  Its a JOKE people.
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From:         Steve Portigal <stevep%SNOWHITE.CIS.UOGUELPH.CA@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Fitting in
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College students?  Well personally I call myself a university student
since college students are a different sort.  Grad student (hey,
if I can't drop a PhD, I can at least drop a M.Sc. in progress ;-)

And none of my names start with A.

Asteve APortigal (I got the aportigal blues)
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