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From: dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re:   100 Mips Intel NeXT (moved from comp.sys.next.misc)
Distribution: world
Date: 16 Dec 92 10:24:48 PST
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <1992Dec15.142154.10812@glv.uucp> andersen@reality.glv.com (Robert Andersen) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.180303.20755@adobe.com> byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
>writes:
>> Matthew Dillon writes
>>
>> >	 Why spend major kilobucks on color NeXTStation hardware when
>> >	 I can spend a quarter of the money on a 486 box with equivalent
>> >	 capabilities?
>>
>> You couldn't get anywhere near the ColorStation's capabilities for
>> 1/4 the price.  Or even half.  You'd be hard pressed to match it
>> dollar for dollar, though it could be done if you love fiddling
>> with the gazillion primitive dip switches that are always present
>> on PC hardware to remind you how out of date their architectures
>> are.
>
>  So you know for a fact how well NS486 runs, I would like to know the
>configuration of the machine you used to base your comparison on and where you
>got a copy of NX486 from.

    The 486 box sitting at NeXT's HQ running NS486 (though it crashed a
    lot), and several NeXT engineers who stated that the thing ran faster
    then a NeXTStation Turbo.

    I dunno what kind of box that was, but nearly all 486 boxes with a
    486DX2/66 and local bus video are going to run comparably.

					    -Matt
>--
>Robert John Andersen
>(919) 380-6523 (v,w)
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>
>Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
>Inside of a dog it's too dark to read.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
From: jhenshaw@microsoft.com (Jeff Henshaw)
Subject: Insults (was: Re: standardizing NeXTSTEP)
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:22:37 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation


In article <1992Dec14.180447.1495@linus.mitre.org>
rseguine@buckeye.mitre.org (Roy SeGuine) writes...

|
| Steve Jobs is a visionary.  Bill Gates wears very thick glasses.
| 

and in article <1992Dec14.191522.2941@netcom.com>
abell@netcom.com (Steven T. Abell) writes...

| > Steve Jobs is a marketer.  Bill Gates is an engineer.
| 
| No, Bill Gates is a hacker. Steve Jobs is an exception.


CEO-slamming and praising aside, Bill Gates's company is
selling more pieces of system software each month than 
Steve Job's company has sold in its lifetime.

I love the NeXT platform.  I think that it offers many 
technical advances for the right customers.  But this kind
of insulting snobbery is tiresome.  You can brag about a
platform 'till your blue in the face (and I often praise
the NeXT platform), but when you get down to it, this sort
of bigotry has not prevented NeXT from taking a loss every
single year of its existance.

I recall in the past comments like "I'd hate to see Microsoft
port Word or Excel to the NeXT, since it would tarnish our
great platform with shitty software."  Think about it for a 
second, folks.  We all want to see NeXT succeed; maybe its
time to stop hurling insults and start thinking of productive
ways for NeXT to better itself, and make itself more attractive
to customers.  I can't personally make Microsoft support the
NeXT, but I do drop in little plugs whenever possible.  I don't,
under any circumstances, run around slamming companies and/or
CEO's in hopes of making my struggling platform do better.

The fact is that NeXT needs *every single* piece of software
and interoperability that it can muster.  You may not like 
Microsoft's marketing tactics, any you may hate its software,
BUT that doesn't change the fact that NeXT is still a 
struggling company.  You want to help it improve?  Then
offer constructive criticisms and comparisons.  Bad-mouthing
other companies and CEO's will do nothing but hurt.

Steve Jobs may be an "exception" but that certainly hasn't
helped NeXT's profits lately.  Steve Jobs may be a marketer,
but that didn't help much when Lotus was picking a platform
on which to release the new version of Improv.

Lets get back to the subject of NeXT, and how to make the
NeXT system more successful.

Sheesh.



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From: ak520@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Lucas Wagner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: Insults (was: Re: standardizing NeXTSTEP)
Date: 16 Dec 1992 22:20:47 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Ideally, a Microsoft port would not "foul up" NeXT.  Everyone
knows Microsoft, but not everyone knows NeXT.  If Steve Jobs
could get Bill Gates to support the NeXT, instead of
"pissing on it", then it would be interesting....

But, then again, this gives more opportunities for 
small businesses to emerge and create excellent products.

I still don't get what Gates' problem is.  But, then again, it
is nice not having him.  <grin>  This can be view from two
perspectives.

Lucas
-- 
Lucas C. Wagner  --  ak520@po.CWRU.edu  --  lucas@hernix.org
IRC:  Predat0r, XCalibur, Mr_Bungle  UUCP:  hernix!lucas
"What would the world be like without Diet Coke?"
From: rprice@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rodney.price)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Seagate ST3283N 244 MB drive
Keywords: Seagate ST3283N 244 MB drive
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:49:41 GMT
Organization: AT&T

I have a mono 25 MHz slab with a 200 MB drive and 20 MB
memory, and I am considering installing an external
hard drive.  The stockroom here has a Seagate ST 3283N
drive with about 244 MB of storage, so all told I'd end
up with 440 MB.  I'd like a bigger drive, but money is
an issue.  My questions are:

   o Is splitting storage between two drives a
     good thing to do?

   o Are there any known problems with this particular
     drive?  (Excessive noise, installation problems).

   o The data sheet says it has a "fast SCSI-2"
     interface.  Does that do me any good?

Thanks for your help.

Rod Price
rprice@physics.att.com
From: szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Monitor for color station?
Date: 17 Dec 92 13:20:58 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Hi all,
	Could anyone please tell me if an IZO 560 it 17" color monitor
will work with a color station?  It can view up to 1280X1024 and has a
68hz vertical refresh.  (This is a non turbo, non adb color station).

Any help will be GREATLY appreciated.  I need to buy either this a or
a NeXT monitor for some one buy this friday and this information can
save me a world of frustration.

later, John
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From: jscoggin@netcom.com (Jerry Scoggins)
Subject: Setting wait states?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:11:10 GMT

I hope someone can answer this question.  I didn't find it in the FAQ's or
the Digital Librarian's Q&A NeXTanswers.

When my TurboColor Station boots, the first line of the ROM monitor is:

  CPU MC68040 33MHz, memory 100ns

I assume the 100ns is the memory speed.  Like, no duh..  However, I 
have 4-8M SIMM's installed and they are all 70ns, as printed on the chips.  
Why does my machine think they are 100's?  I've tried swapping them 
around(only 4 banks on this machine).  I've tried zapping the PRAM by 
removing the battery for 20 minutes.  I've looked through all books and 
documentation.  Please help...

Why do I care?  If my machine really thinks they are 100's, I can boost 
my performance quite a bit by fixing this problem.  If there is a problem
with one of the SIMM's or my board, I'd like to know.  I'm still in
waranty.

Thanks mucho in advance,
++jerry(); // jscoggin@netcom.netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
From: cl50@muddnext9.cc.columbia.edu (Chengi  Lin)
Subject: Re: Shippng status of CD ROM drives
Reply-To: cl50@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: w
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:47:46 GMT

In article <Bz9oun.745@ra.nrl.navy.mil> norton@cmf.nrl.navy.mil (David  
Norton) writes:
> What is the current shipping status of the CD ROM drives?
> 
> Have those who were originally given a November delivery date received  
> their drives?  Has anyone who was originally given a December delivery  
> date received it?  Have any January deliveries arrived early?
> 
> Just curious when I should expect mine to arrive.
> 
> I'll summarize responses.
> 
> thanks
> -dave

--


My dealer told me that I can get mine at the end of the month.  I don't  
know if this is true but I would certainly like to have the CD-ROM drive  
for my Christmas gift.  I placed my order back in September and give a  
delivery date in about October but...



	[] James C. Lin		[] SEAS, Columbia University
	[] Internet:	cl50@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu  (No NeXTmail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
From: kenny@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca (Kenny Leung)
Subject: Re: cube question
Reply-To: kenny@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:45:46 GMT

In article <Bz87EE.7EF@research.canon.oz.au>  
greyham@research.canon.oz.au (Graham Stoney) writes:
> In my hardwarespeak, motherboard and backplane are synonymous.
> I was referring to the board at the back of  
the unit (hence backplane) into
> which all the other boards plug (hence motherboard); what do you mean by
> "motherboard"?.
> 
> regs,
> Graham
> -- 
> Graham Stoney
> Canon Information Systems Research Australia (whew!)

Judging by the original post, the person who asked the question thinks that the motherboard is the main CPU.  I answered in the same context.

I also think that the main CPU should be called the motherboard.

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Kenny Leung                      
Campus Consultant                
University of Alberta            
kenny@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca 
audix x5537                    
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Subject: Re: SCSI tape drive problems
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 02:59:28 GMT

In <1992Dec9.163228.8922@doug.cae.wisc.edu> spy@dpls.dacc.wisc.edu (Mark W. Spychalla) writes:
| 
| 2) I also have a
| 
| Exabyte EXB-8200 8mm Cartridge tape drive.
| 
| I can create tar archives just fine on the device: "tar cvf /dev/rxt0  
| files"
| It also reads them just fine:                      "tar tvf /dev/rxt0"
| However, the append function fails:                "tar rvf /dev/rxt0  
| moreFiles"
| 
| I believe this fails because 8mm drives cannot perform a backspace one  
| record
| followed by a write record.  Does anyone have a 8mm drive which reliably
| performs the appending of files to a tar archive already on tape?  Can 8mm
| drives perform the append function?

None of the 820X or 850X drives can do the tar style append
operation.  Most DAT drives do it fine.
--
Let no one tell me that silence gives consent,  |   Dave Olson
because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
From: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl
Subject: Re: DSP chips....
Organization: G.R.O.S.S.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 11:16:03 GMT

In article <1gbf9mINN7nq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner)  
writes:

> Did anyone ever built a software modem for DSPs?

I.link from germany did (Voice and Fax are finally there, data will be later (they  
say Q1 93, but they have a *very* bad record). Anyway, the box is running here, and  
since yesterday the software seems reasonably OK.

Write to info@ilink.de

-- 
Gerben Wierda                 Tel. (+31) 35 833539
  "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there."
  From the Talmud(?), rephrased in Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland".

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
From: pspriet@xlan.fdn.org (Paul Spriet)
Subject: Black Box ?
Reply-To: pspriet@xlan.fdn.org
Organization: X&LAN - Bordeaux, France.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 09:16:14 GMT

Has anyone heard about Black Box. I do not know what it is (soft or hard?)  
and what it is for. All information welcome.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
From: tacchi@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mark G. Tacchi)
Subject: Re: hard drives for Next
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:25:38 GMT

In <1goqqpINNc66@parsifal.umkc.edu> ben@bigben.umsl.edu (Ben Pflanz) writes:

>Hello,
>   I need some information about external hard drives for my Next.  I am  
>looking for one in the $500-$600 price range.  I will summerise all  
>responses I get.




  There was some trouble emailing this so I just posted instead. -MT

Ben,
  I recently purchased a 535MB 3.5" Maxtor drive that has been refurbished
and cost me $1066US.  It is a half height drive and came in a very nice looking
(black) full height housing.  Included in the housing is the power supply.

  The place I got it from is  Corporate Systems Center (408) 737-7312 in
Sunnyvale, Ca.

  One downfall was that they only had white SCSI2-SCSI1 cables so I ordered
mine from NeXTConnection for $35US.  BTW-  CSC was charging $60US.

  Give these people a call and ask for their latest price list.  They carry
quite a few drives and other storage devices at very reasonable prices.

See ya!
-Mark


-- 
Mark G. Tacchi                                    tacchi@next01.cc.umanitoba.ca
  Unix Support Group                                        (NeXT Mail Welcome)
  University of Manitoba Computer Services
 "My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
From: uunet!lkba!lkb (Larry Blische)
Subject: Re: 1.23GB Hard Disk? - temperature data
Reply-To: uunet!lkba!lkb
Organization: LKB Associates, Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:16:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.015904.6667@leland.Stanford.EDU> m@crito.stanford.edu  
(M Carling) writes:
> In article <8f9BQs70Bwx58cYLA=@transarc.com>  writes:
> > There is a 1.23GB HD (that's right 1.23 GIGABytes) manufactured by  
> Toshiba
> > some of the specs are 12 ms Average Seek Time, 512KB Read Ahead Cache  
> Buffer,
> > 10MB/sec Fast SCSI-2 Interface.
> > 
> > I am planning to install it INTERNALLY in my Next Station,
> > 
> > anyone out there have had some experience with it? any advice?
> > any heat problems?
> 
> In general, if you put a drive of 1GB or greater capacity in a slab, you  
> should be concerned with heat dissipation. Be absolutely sure that there  
> are no (even slight) obstructions to air flow, and that the room is not  
> too hot.
> 
> M Carling
> Director, Bay Area NeXT Group

I installed one of those Toshibas 3 days ago into my NeXTstation Color.  It  
replaced the 406 Mb Seagate.  The air temperature measured between the heat  
sink fins by a 6 inch industrial thermometer changed from 92 degrees to 96  
degrees.  I didn't measure the room temperature at the time but it usually  
is in the 65 - 70 degree range.
-- 
Larry Blische              uunet!lkba!lkb
LKB Associates, Inc.
3118 Dunglow Road
Dundalk, Maryland 21222-5304 USA
From: alex@fiskville.mc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: MAC vs NeXT modem cable???
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:55:29 GMT

Daniel Cwiertniewicz writes
> Essentially these cables are the same...until you want speeds above
> 2400.  I don't proclaim to understand these things yet (I just got
> my NS a month ago), but if you need hardware flow-control (which high
> speed modems tend to require) then there are a couple of extra lines
> that need to be connected.  Simple enough job, I think the wiring spec
> is in the back of one of the manuals that shipped with your system.
> If you can't find yours I'll bring mine in tomorrow.
> 
> ---
> Daniel Cwiertniewicz				Phone:	(313)-577-0787
> Systems Analyst, Networking Support Group	Fax:	(313)-577-8787
> Computing and Information Technology		E-Mail:	DCWIERT@WAYNEST1  
or
> Wayne State University				 
dan@foghorn.pass.wayne.edu


I have been using a SupraFAX v.32bis modem with the macintosh cable  
(supplied) on my '040 cube for some time with no problem.

--
***************************************
Alex Currier
Texas Union MicroCenter
University of Texas at Austin

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From: m@crito.stanford.edu (M Carling)
Subject: 1.23GB Hard Disk?
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 01:59:04 GMT

In article <8f9BQs70Bwx58cYLA=@transarc.com>  writes:
> There is a 1.23GB HD (that's right 1.23 GIGABytes) manufactured by  
Toshiba
> some of the specs are 12 ms Average Seek Time, 512KB Read Ahead Cache  
Buffer,
> 10MB/sec Fast SCSI-2 Interface.
> 
> I am planning to install it INTERNALLY in my Next Station,
> 
> anyone out there have had some experience with it? any advice?
> any heat problems?

In general, if you put a drive of 1GB or greater capacity in a slab, you  
should be concerned with heat dissipation. Be absolutely sure that there  
are no (even slight) obstructions to air flow, and that the room is not  
too hot.

M Carling
Director, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
From: meyergru@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Uwe Meyer-Gruhl)
Subject: Re: CD-ROM causes system panic
Keywords: Upgrade bug
Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware
Originator: meyergru@hpradigc.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 09:00:21 GMT


In article <1992Dec14.130658.4752@cyantic.com>, mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) writes:
|> In article <Bz64Lt.9z1@world.std.com> ferguson@world.std.com (Jon E Ferguson) writes:
|> >When I mount the Jewel of the Matrix CR-ROM, the Workspace refuses to
|> >show me any of the files.  When I look at it from a terminal window,
|> >I can get directory listings, but they are messed up: There is no
|> >".." directory, instead there is a directory named "?". The rest
|> >of the files in a directory are all lowercase, and truncated after
|> >a dozen characters or so.
|> >
|> >The fun part is, if I try to read any of the files in any way, I
|> >get a system panic.
|> >
|> >At first I though it was just a messed up disk (though I found this hard
|> >to believe).  Then I tried mounting an old Next Demonstration Software
|> >CD-ROM (Q3 1991), and as soon as the system mounted it, I got a system
|> >panic.
|> >
|> >I am able to read my 3.0 and Educational Software Sampler CD-ROMs
|> >just fine, so I am inclined to believe it has something to do with
|> >the format of the other two disks (Rock-Ridge extensions perhaps?).
|> >
|> >Has anyone else been having trouble reading specific CD-ROMs?
|> >Has anyone else ordered the Jewel of the Matrix CD-ROM, and were
|> >you able to read it?
|> 
|> I have tried reading several CD's for Sun with no success.  The Workspace
|> just spits them back out with no information as to why.
|> 
|> I have seen much discussion, but little good information concerning this
|> problem.
|> -- 
|> 
|> Mark T. Dornfeld                              Voice: (416) 234-9048
|> CYANTIC Systems                               Facsimile: (416) 234-0477
|> 101 Subway Crescent Suite 2103                Email: mark@cyantic.com

Yep, that's a know bug with Upgrade_3.0.app. It doesn't copy the
CDROM.fs correctly. Just copy that over from your NeXTSTEP 3.0 CD,
and you are done. This bug does not turn up with the NS CD itself,
since it has a NeXT filesystem on it, not an ISO type.


cheers, Uwe

Uwe Meyer-Gruhl                      Confucius say: 
Lehrstuhl Informatik IX              "Unlucky to play leapfrog with unicorn"
Technische Universitaet Muenchen     email:MeyerGru@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE
Orleansstr. 34, D-8000 Muenchen 80   tel: ++49 89 48095-209

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software
From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch)
Subject: Extending the cable from the NSTC to the soundbox
Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware
Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management
Date: 20 Dec 92 18:29:14 PST

Public Service Announcement:

Because I found the fan noise of the NSTC  to be  a minor nuisance, I recently
got  myself  a  13W3-male-to-female  10'  cable  extender  from  InMac's  (Sun
division) for about $140.  This  allows me to also  put my  external harddisks
further away from my work-place, further reducing the noise level I am exposed
to.  Neither the  image on  my monitor,  nor the ADB keyboard  appears to have
been adversely affected.

Although I am not  accepting any responsibility if you  try this, too,  it has
worked for both me and Karl Reuss (thanks Karl for trying this first), despite
NeXT's suggestion that one should not do this.

/ivo
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
From: kenny@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca (Kenny Leung)
Subject: Re: cube question
Reply-To: kenny@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:07:20 GMT

In article <BywxLx.Lvx@research.canon.oz.au>  
greyham@research.canon.oz.au (Graham Stoney) writes:
the cards (CPU board,
> NeXTdimension board) all have edge connectors at their l 
ower back that need to
> plug into the motherboard. Not to mention the power supply that has to
> Graham Stoney
> Canon Information Systems Research Australia (whew!)

Just to clear this up, you don't have to plug power into the motherboard (it gets it off the backplane) and you don't have to plug the dimension board into the motherboard either.  That's what the backplane is for.

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Kenny Leung                      
Campus Consultant                
University of Alberta            
kenny@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca 
audix x5537                    
ar this up, you don't have to plug power into the motherboard (it gets it off the backplane) and you don't have to plug the dimension board into the motherboard either.  That's what the backplane is for.

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From: hjwulfso@unix.amherst.edu (Harris Wulfson)
Subject: Direct to Disk Recording?
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:33:53 GMT

Does anyone use a NeXT to do multitrack recording of music? What hardware and
software is required to do this? Is there any integrated sequencing/recording
software (like StudioVision on the Mac)? What is the cost of everything?

--
Harris Wulfson
hjwulfson@amherst.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,alt.rush-limbaugh