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From: wyborsr@wl.com (Russ Wyborski)
Subject: Lion's demise
Organization: Warner Lambert / Parke-Davis
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:43:37 GMT

 I was at he Silverdome yesterday to watch the Lions lose to Tampa
Bay. It really was pretty aggravating. Some of my impressions from the game.


        1) The Lions have absolutely no running offense. The got all of 70
yards rushing yesterday. Every time that Sanders got the ball there were 2-3
Bucs waiting for him. There was one time that he actually had a hole to
run through. I'm surprised that he didn't stop out of shock to look at it .
They have to be able to run some to be successful. Either that or they have
to go back to more of the 4 WR look and ditch the TE.

        2) The passing game works pretty well for the most part. Except that


they never look tohrow to the TE or not much to Barry in the Flat or on a delay.
There was one play yesterday when Peete forced into the endzone when he had no
one between Barry and the endzone in the flat. The pass protection was better
than it has been up to this point.

        3) Peete has developed into a very good QB. He made some very nice tosse
s and there were more dropped passes than bad mistakes by Peete. However, he
made one major boo-boo that lost the game. Then Lions had the ball on the
10-yard line with 10 seconds to go and no time-outs. Instead of throwing the
ball into the endzone on first down, when there would have been a chance for
another play if he missed, he dumped it off underneath to Perrimen at the 5
and Perrimen was unable to score of get out of bounds. So the clock ran out
with the ball on the 2-yard line.  That was really a poor, poor decision on
his part.

        4) The defense has given up 0 points in the 3rd quarter this year
but has given up 51 points in the 4th quarter. That's not how you win games.

        So next week they play the Saints at home. If they lose that game
the season is as good as over. At least that would free up my Sundays to
work on the house.
From: evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - CIT Network Operations)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Can MIAMI  go undefeated again? was: Can Bills go 16-0?
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:04:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct4.235238.10019@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes...
>Why don't you be serious! If the Bills would have won, all
>you Bill fans would have been boasting, woofing nation
>wide. Give the credit where credit is due. True,it was
>only one game and not the SB. Please remember YOUR OWN
>advice next time the Bills have a run going again.
>Ed and I thank you for your support.

John, get a clue. When have you ever known me to be a woofer?

Please don't compare me to a bunch of freshman dweebs like that
one guy, Chet Zeshonski. :)

If we would have won, I would have said, "We beat the Dolphins *again*."


Doug

                                  |                              Doug Evans
                                  | State University of New York at Buffalo
                                  |             evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
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From: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Steelers in the News
Organization: Clark University
Date: 2 OCT 92 02:40:30 GMT

I hope all the Pittsburgh fans out there caught the segment on the team
in NBC's pre-game show last Sunday. They of course spoke about Cowher's
Pittsburgh roots along with other prominent players from western Penn.
Members of the team (especially Ilkin and Little) gave alot of
appreciation to Cowher for his personal approach to coaching

Has there been any talk in Pitt. about building the Steelers their own
stadium? Three Rivers is still a good venue for the Pirates, but I'd
love to see a more appropriately-sized stadium (on natural turf!) for
football. I realize that with the newspaper strike in Pitt. there
probably isn't much talk about things like this...

On another note, the latest issue of SI has Neil O'Donnell featured
with a few other young quarterbacks in an article about up-and-coming
QBs. There's a nice shot of O'Donnell on the cover page, which will
soon be adorning my room.

See you in the Dawg Pound!

Bart
From: v130pwbq@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Miami @ Buffalo
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:47:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

As a diehard dolphin/football fan I thought I would enter my .02 cents on 
this weekends game at Buffalo. No matter how much I am a fan of the dolphins,
I must admit that the dolphins won't beat buffalo until they meet in Miami.
Buffalo should win for the following reasons.

       1. High takeaway/giveaway ratio 
       2. Explosive Offense (Reed has been known to play well against Miami)
       3. Home Crowd (Buffalo is one of the toughest cities to play in)
       4. Improved Defense (Still not great but better with Bruce back)

If Miami is to pull the upset they will have to do the following

       1. Control the tempo and keep Buffalo off the field by running well.
       2. Bills secondary is no match for Marino's arsenal.
       3. Create turnovers
       4. Put pressure on Kelly. ( Brian Cox with 5 sacks must continue)
       5. Defensive line must Control line of scrimage and stop Thomas.

Personally I believe that this sunday's game will be won by Defense unlike 
past shootouts. Bills 27 Miami 24.

As for Dallas going to Philly, they'll leave with a loss. Eagles D is too tough.
And KC should beat Denver. Elway hasn't had a touchdown pass for quite a while.

Go Dolphins (12-4 in 92)

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From: alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad)
Subject: Re: EAGLES WILL GO 16-0 IF ANYONE DOES
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:03:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.191643.12032@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> aperkins@lonestar.utsa.edu (Aaron B. Perkins) writes:
>
>THE EAGLES ARE THE BEST TEAM IN THE NFL BY FAR AND WILL GO 16-0 AND WIN THE
>SUPERBOWL AND THE SCORE MON WILL BE AS FOLLOWS:
>
>                                EAGLES 42
>                                COWPUSSIES 3
>
>
>
>BARKLEY,JULIUS,CUNNINGHAM,BARNETT,BOL.......NOW THOSE ARE SOME BAD ASS DUDES

OOPS--didn't see your comment on the Monday night game.  BTW, IMHO it's too
early for you to start woofing it up.  Wait till Monday Night, then woof.

Joel
From: v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (JONNY B. GOODE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Mark Clayton (answer)
Date: 29 Sep 92 09:32:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BvBtFL.KG0@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v134junv@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Donald A Martin) writes...
>============================================================================
>The dol-foons might as well play the jills, because they are sorry anyways
>and will get beat no matter who they play.  Wait til they play a decent
>team. 3 and 0...... what a joke!


	What?  The Jills?  The 'dol-foons'??  Who are you insulting?  Both?
Please try and speak English so at least we can understand your flames!  (:

Jonny B.
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Tue,  6 Oct 1992 15:03:17 -0400 
From: "Joseph E. Beck" <jb8n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Give Cowboys a 'lil credit



>Philly is my second favorite team, but Dallas deserves some credit.
>They were able to gain productive yards against one of the best 
>defenses of all time, in their backyard.
Yes they were, but it was high risk yardage.  Dallas had very little
luck at pulling off 4 yard running plays (if you discount Smith's long
run at the end of the first half his average looked really pathetic),
and instead had to rely on medium and long passes.  When they work
you get lots of yards, but you have a high risk of interception.  So
you can gain lots of yards but it's not likely you can sustain a
drive.

	joe
From: dsj@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Daniel Scott Janecek)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Majik Favre update
Date: 30 Sep 1992 22:21:31 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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From article <1992Sep30.130914.15300@cis.ohio-state.edu>, by martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens):

> 
> My best guess is that Favre will retain the starting job when
> Majkowski comes back.  Against the Steelers, Favre played better
> than Majkowski has since '89, and if he continues to perform well
> I see no reason to put Majik back in.  My main concern is that
> Favre is young.  Can talent and enthusiasm overcome inexperience?
> Comments?  Opinions?
> -- 

	I would have to disagree with the above statement. After
watching all 4 GB games, I must admit the Favre did indeed outplay
Majik, but was he actually GOOD? In the Pitt game, Favre had good
stats, but take away Sharpes 76 yard TD catch, and your down to Favre
throwing ~ 4-7 yards per COMPLETION. Granted, this my not be to
Favre's fault, maybe Holmgren kept the passes simple. But if he did,
he had a reason for it, and Favre being a good QB is not one of them.
Holmgren sounds as though he is unsure of Favre, or so his quotes
would read. He is still saying Favre needs A LOT of work and that he
would prefer to have a more expirenced qb starting. 


			dan
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From: rex@cs.washington.edu (Rex Jakobovits)
Subject: 49ers vs. who?
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 21:38:19 GMT

can someone supply me with this info:
	who are the 49ers playing sunday?

much obliged,

  --rex

-- 
	Rex Jakobovits (rex@cs.washington.edu)
	Dept. of Computer Science
	University of Washington
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From: s1dlr@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel L Rose)
Subject: Haynes
Keywords: Haynes
Reply-To: s1dlr@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel L Rose)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:21:43 GMT

Anyone have any info on the possibility of Haynes return for the Packers game?

THX,  dlr
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: NFL_1992 Scoreboard: Results for Week 5 Predictions
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:20:50 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
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Here are the results of the computer program's predictions for Week 5.
The computer predicted 6 of 12 games correctly, which is worse than
so-so.
===



        
                     Week #5 Game Predictions


       Green Bay      _10   21          New Orleans    _13   22

     @ Atlanta        _24   27        @ Detroit        __7   18



       Chicago        _20   24          Dallas         __7   20

     @ Minnesota      _21   26        @ Philadelphia   _31   24



       Washington     _24   33          L.A. Rams      _24   13

     @ Phoenix        _26   11        @ San Francisco  _27   33



       Indianapolis   _24   13          Miami          _37   23

     @ Tampa Bay      _14   21        @ Buffalo        _10   38



       Kansas City    _19   22          N.Y. Giants    _10   23

     @ Denver         _20   15        @ L.A. Raiders   _13   21



       New England    _21   12          Seattle        __6   18

     @ N.Y. Jets      _30   19        @ San Diego      _17   16
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
From: martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Majik Favre update
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:09:14 GMT
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science


From the 9/30 USA Today:

"QB Brett Favre is expected to make his second start for the
Packers Sunday at Atlanta, giving Don Majkowski (ankle) another
week to heal.  'There's still a lot of bleeding and discoloration
in the ankle,' coach Mike Holmgren said of Majkowski.  'I would be
surprised if he progressed to the point where he could play.'
Favre, obtained from Atlanta in the offseason, is looking forward
to playing the Falcons:  'It will be fun to go back and be on the
other sideline.  I have so many friends on that team.  It would be
fun to beat them.'"

My best guess is that Favre will retain the starting job when
Majkowski comes back.  Against the Steelers, Favre played better
than Majkowski has since '89, and if he continues to perform well
I see no reason to put Majik back in.  My main concern is that
Favre is young.  Can talent and enthusiasm overcome inexperience?
Comments?  Opinions?
-- 

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Rating the QB's
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:24:11 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


I agree with what some other people said earlier.  Trying to rate qb's is 
trying to quantify the unquantifiable.  As stated before, the rating system
evaluates PASSING only.  Nothing in the formula takes into consideration
field generalship, leadership, great play ability, # of championships, ability
to come from behind, durability, motivation, etc.  No matter what system you
have, you will always be able to say, "Oh yeah, well qb X is better than qb Y
because X had all those interceptions, and besides, Y won two championships
and X won only one."  You simply can't quantify it, no matter what FORMULA
you use.  Also, what about the fact that not all quarterbacks call their own
plays.  This again shows that the ratings only evaluate PASSING, not QB'ing.
-- 
BERNSTEIN,AVRON P
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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From: martens@laurel.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Re: Packer news
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 17:04:56 GMT

In article <22816@optima.cs.arizona.edu> dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.213449.15489@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:

>>McGee 
>>who now does the Packer radio color commentary was pretty upset with 
>>the Bengals Tim Krumrie because he said Krumrie continued to 
>>twist Majik's leg after he was down.  In fairness to Krumrie, Majik 
>>did fumble on the play and he may have been trying to keep Majik from 
>>recovering the ball.

>That's a bunch of bull from McGee.  Majik was not down - Krumrie was
>just trying to sack him.  Simply homerism - anyone who has watched
>Krumrie play knows he is intense but never dirty.

According to the Packer Report or Packer Plus (sorry, can't remember
which), some Packers thought Krumrie was twisting the leg, and that's
what caused the brouhaha immediately after the play.  I didn't see any
evidence of it on TV myself.  The reporter writing the story said he
thought Krumrie held the leg for an unusual length of time in the
pile, but saw no twisting.
-- 
	Where did Neil Bush learn his values?  From his family?

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 13:36:04 -0400 
From: Christopher Glenn Huegle <ch44+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: IRON CURTAIN

A few interesting facts about the Steelers....
Barry Foster leads the league in rushing
Jeff Graham leads the AFC in recieving yardage
Mark Royals is last in punting average
Rod Woodson has half of the sacks so far this year
Which means he only has one, since they only have 2
O'Donnell gets the job done
The Steelers have a good passing attack w/o their best
     reciever-Eric Green
Hoge hasn't done much all year.
The Steelers dominated the clock so far this year.
They have been coughing up the ball WAY too much, they
     should have shut out the jets, but gave them a
     couple of scores on turnovers.
The Steelers have outscored the opposition 47-0 in the
     second half so far this year
A major part of the DB's practice is devoted to reciever
     type drills that just work on catching the ball.
Rod Woodson has been unbelievable so far this year in
     his all around game.
Rod seems to just now be reassuming the role of kick/punt
     returner
Greg Lloyd hasn't done much.
It still would have been nice to have Lipps.  The passing
     game now has to rely on Graham/Stone/Cooper until
     Green gets back.   Ernie Mills has had a few key
     catches, but the Steelers still don't think he has
     the right stuff yet.
The Steelers stand a good chance at going at least 6-0
     since they have Green Bay, Cleveland, the Cincinnati,
     all of whom, the Steelers are better than.

                    Thas all I can remebver now.

                         Chris
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: The EAGLES have landed OR Cowboys caught with pants down!
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:14:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.171348.25923@unet.net.com> asgari@ssc01.unet.com (Asgari Roger) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.043023.18749@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
>>FINAL SCORE:
>>Eagles:  31
>>Cowboys:  7  Ouch...
>>
>>Whip a tie, I O, get along little doggey, your misfortune and
>>none of my own. :-)
>>
>>Now let's see, the Eagles dropped a bomb on the Cowboys.
>>It was disguised as a superior overall, balanced offense/defense.
>>True, Cunningham's overall stats were not great, but they
>>certainly alot better than Aikman. Aikman is a FRAUD! The
>>space ship that dropped him off on this planet better come
>>by on the next shuttle and pick him up. :-) Man, what a CHOKER!
>>
>>Herschel came thru when needed. WHAM BAM, How do you 'MAM!
>>I love it when the Cowboys lose. I don't why, but I just do.
>>It must have something to do with all these American Pie Shit
>>or something. :-)
>>-- 
>>  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
>>  Let us be thankful for the fools; but for them the rest
>>  of us could not succeed.  -   Mark Twain
>
>		Listen old chap, atleast Troy tossed for over 200 yards,
>	I believe Cunningham only passed for 124 yards. True,  Troy was
>	intercepted 3 times, but Cunningham did not have an interception
>	free night either.  
>
>		A well deserved  victory by all accounts for the eagles;
>	however, what amazed moi was the simple fact that da Pokes had 
>	more offensive yards than the birds. Not the most important stat
>	but there you have it.
>
>
>		GO COWBOYS!!!!!!

When are you folks ever going to learn! Numbers on STAT SHEETS
DO NOT WIN GAMES. Repeat after me, STAT SHEETS DO NOT WIN GAMES.
I love it when ESPN shows the 300+ passers; 100+ rushers, etc.,
and they indicate a (won), (loss) by the player/team. It is
amazing how often there is a (loss) by the name. So, I really
don't give a rat's ass to a sour apple who passed for what, or
who ran for what. Who WON. Thank YOU!

Since you addressed my as an old chap, I gather you must be a
sniveling, snot hanging, mouth full of wires, kid. :-)

-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
  Let us be thankful for the fools; but for them the rest
  of us could not succeed.  -   Mark Twain
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles Destroy Dallas !!!
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:44:39 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <1ar3ocINNfm0@shirley.cs.widener.edu> austin@cs.widener.edu (Jeff Austin) writes:
>
>Hell, most people will even say that the Cowboys
>self-destructed.

No, they won't.  Or at least I won't.  The Eagles won the game fair and
square, hats off to them for an impressive second-half effort.

>Anyway, it's always a real
>nice pleasure to see the birds put a nice ass-whipping on the Cowgirls.

Get a life, Jeff.  I say that only because it appears you haven't figured
it out in the last year.

Anyway, about the game, I was pretty disappointed by the fourth quarter,
but that was about it.  The Cowboys held their own for most of the first
three.  After the first interception, I had a sudden flashback to the
24-0 game last year.  But the Cowboys showed how much they've matured in
coming back to score and tie the game.

The Cowboys were moving fairly well, better than anyone has against the
Eagles this year, I think.  The problems came down near the red zone, what
with the INT, and the strange play-calling at the end of the first half.
The defense played well in the first half, but just couldn't keep it up
throughout.

I haven't gotten through all the messages yet, but I'm sure I'll see a lot
more woofing.  There's reason for it, too.  At the same time, though, I
was happy to see the Cowboys put forth the effort in what was a tough
situation, instead of folding.  I didn't expect them to win this game,
and sure enough, they didn't.  But they're going to win a lot more this
year, and if Philly hangs on to the division lead, as they probably
will, they had better get use to having Dallas on their heels.

Daniel Welch
From: tokuno@carson.u.washington.edu (Ken Tokuno)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49ers/Rams
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:02:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington

mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:

>>Also, give credit to Rams.  Yes they have had a couple awful years,
>>Everett has had little confidence, but it was nearly this same line
>>that broke Everett in the first place.

>I don't know what you're referring to here, but I was told that the
>Rams OL was old, slow and untalented this year.  They sure didn't
>look it yesterday.

I think the reference is to the 1990 NFC Championship game when Everett
went down without even being touched.  Also, just to add my 2 cents, I
agree that this DL is much better against the run than in mounting a pass
rush.  That plus the inexperience of the secondary is, IMHO, the main
problem that the defense is having this year.  I suspect, unlike years
past when the defense was in good shape from the outset, this team will
jell a few more weeks down the road.
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