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From: afdenis@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review: "Chain of Command, Part II"
Keywords: TNG, Cardassians, Picard, torture
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:28:00 GMT
Organization: Ancient Souls Inc.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Dec26.000446.2626@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>, ruhtra@turing.toronto.edu (Arthur Tateishi) writes...
>Spoilers for CoCII


>In article <1992Dec24.180131.7419@indetech.com> janet@indetech.com (Janet Christian) writes:
>>In article <1h8f9dINNolb@gap.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
>>>WARNING:  The following post contains intense spoilers for "Chain of Command, 
>>>Part II" that the faint of heart may find disturbing.  Proceed with caution.
>>
>>>
>>> [much deleted for space]
>>>
>>>That leads me to the ending, which while praiseworthy also leads to my other 
>>>main complaint.  As expected, Picard was handed over as part of the 
>>>negotiations (though the Federation obtained far more of an upper hand than I 
>>>expected), and he regained command of the Enterprise.  What I absolutely *do 
>>>not* like, however, is how it seemed so effortless to him.  From our 
> [ more stuff deleted ]
>>
>>
>>I have to disagree with Tim's point about the time line/Picard
>>regaining command. *All* of his wounds had healed, including the bruise
>>area around his mouth and the bruises on his wrists. 

24th century medicine works wonders... remember O'Brien's broken arm (oops, 
an alien healed that, didn't he... er, well, I *know* serious injuries have 
been healed quickly by some strange device Beverly uses. Only Wesley had to 
use that exerciser on his bum arm at Starfleet Academy, and *that* was only 
so Wil Wheton could show off his biceps. :-))

>We can only
>>assume, then, that some amount of time had passed while he recovered in
>>sick bay. Also, his face was not longer gaunt, with deep lines and

I *swear* I saw dark rings that *had* to be make-up. Stewart isn't sick or 
anything these days, is he ? 

> 
>I agree. The line from Troi in Picard's ready room, "I've read your
>report." says that some amount of time had passed for his recovery.
>Also, the return of command of the E would have to go through Starfleet
>after reading his report and debriefing session. If all that time had
>passed but he hadn't had a one-on-one with Troi, it was probably a
>day or two. The after effects were clear from Picard wringing his
>hands and a generally quiet, reflective mood.

What about those dark circles under his eyes ? Did I just *imagine* those, 
or did he look pretty dragged out in that scene ? I tend to think that, in 
typical Picardian fashion, he banged out the report immediately, Bev ran 
her `Bruise-o-Matic' over his wrists and face, and he bulled his way back 
into command right over the top of any Starfleet protestations. Sorry, I 
saw it the way Tim saw it. 

-- Stephen

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From: photon!uunet!pro-magic.oau.org!mikeu (Mike Ungerman)
Subject: Re: Wow! So many new SF shows!
Organization: Pro-Magic [A Proline BBS] Orlando, FL
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 19:55:59 EST

At Magicon, the world science fiction convention, we were shown a pilot for
'The Doorway' or 'The Door', an alternative realities/dimensions type show
that could be a second season replacement, summer intro or fall series,
depending on how the science fiction world in Hollywood TV goes.

Although it had a lot of originality, it boiled down to the usual chase the
good guy while he searches for a way home through alternative plots (a
Quantum Leap through dimensions instead of time, I guess.)  The one kicker
in the plot was that one of the main characters that you bump into in
alternative realities always gets killed in each reality.  It was handled
sort of humerously, if killing could be handled that way.

Be interesting if it ever sees the light of day.
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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Michelle Forbes (Ensign Ro) not interested in TNG or DS9
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:53:06 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <matt.725660014@unidata.ucar.edu> matt@unidata.ucar.edu (Matt Hicks) writes:

>the producers of TNG and DS9 have been unable to entice Forbes 
>to reprise her role as Ensign Ro. She is, they said,"just not 
>interested." 

Obviously a typo.  It should read "interesting." :-)

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From: rccarm00@nx19.mik.uky.edu (ron c carman)
Subject: Length of contract for DSN?
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Path: nx19.mik.uky.edu!rccarm00
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 22:00:13 GMT

   Can anyone out there confirm or deny the following?

             Deep Space Nine:
                 -- has a 1.5 year contract for 39 episodes
                 -- will continue further if doing well when
                    that 1.5 years is over
                 -- was intended to bridge the gap between
                    TNG and another [as yet unannounced]
                    Star Trek series which will take place
                    on the Enterprise...
                 
   ??

   Comments?

RC Carman



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From: dascoser@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (david serchay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: DS9 in S. Florida
Date: 4 Jan 93 04:45:10 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

WFlX channel 29 will show DS9 Mon. 4, at 8 PM. WCIX channel 6, being a 
CBS affiliate and less flexable with it's scheduale, will show it Sat.
the ninth at 11:30 PM

Dascoser
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From: roberts@cpqhou.compaq.com (Robert Stewart)
Subject: Re: Troi had at least one good line! (CoC episode)
Reply-To: roberts@cpqhou.UUCP (Bob Stewart)
Organization: Compaq Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 15:56:12 GMT

>Spoilers Ho...
>
>Riker:  I'll say one thing for him, he's very sure of himself.
>Troi:  No, he isn't. <--- in a very calm almost non-chalant voice
>
>*This* to me is how she should be used.  She can see right past people's
>facads and tell how they really feel, how they probably will act and why.

Argh.  I thought it was terrible.  In the middle of a crisis, when Jellico
was taking charge and projecting confidence - trying to inspire courage in
his crew - Troi exposes him.

I'm sure that's what *I* would want if I were captain.  An empath to jump up
during a conflict an tell my crew "Don't listen to him!  He's not as confident
as he seems!" :-).
From: helene@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Helene Blankespoor)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lwaxana - Who plays her?
Date: 22 Dec 92 09:51:01 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England

In article <1992Dec20.234957.3819@netfs.dnd.ca> bvan@ncs.dnd.ca (Bryan Van Blaricom) writes:
>In article <1992Dec20.130609.1123@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> helene@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Helene Blankespoor) writes:
>>In article <92353.140742MCGLONE@auvm.american.edu> <MCGLONE@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>>>I am sorry if there is a better place to find out this info, but I
>>>am fairly new to the net, and I didn't see anyhting in the FAQ lists
>>>in here or in rec.arts.startrek.info.
>>>
>>>Please settle a bet - who plays Lwaxana Troi?
>>>
>>>A friend claims this is Gene Roddenbury's wife who plays the computer
>>>voice now and used to be the nurse on the original series.  I claim
>>>it is someone different.  Dinner is riding on this one!
>>
>>I have also heard the same thing your friends is claiming, Roddenberry's wife
>>played nurse Chapel in TOS, and is the computer voice in TNG. 
>>
>>Helene.
>
>   Majel Barrett Roddenberry played:
>
>   Number One in The Cage
>   Nurse Chapel in TOS
>   Doctor Chapel in STTMP
>   The voice of the computer in STTNG
>   Lwaxana Troi in STTNG
>
>   Those are the roles I am familiar with.  She may have had others I don't
>know about (since I wouldn't consider myself a ST trivia expert :-).

I have a suspision that she also played a background role in ST-IV like
Janice Rand did in ST-III and ST-IV.

HelenI have a suspision that she also played a background role in ST-IV like
Janice Rand did in ST-III and ST-IV.

Helene
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From: lenny@icus.ICUS.COM (Lenny Tropiano)
Subject: Patrick Stewart writes for TV Guide this week! (re: ST:DS9)
Organization: ICUS Software Systems, Austin, Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 23:28:32 GMT

With the premier episode for Star Trek: Deep Space Nine about to
be shown across most of the country this coming week, TV Guide has
Patrick Stewart (Jean Luc Picard, captain of the Enterprise) and 
Avery Brooks (Benjamin Sisko, captain of DS9) on the cover.  
Patrick Stewart will be writing for that TV Guide Episode (Jan 3rd 
issue?)

It should be interesting, but with the Paramount Blackout on DS9,
I doubt there will be anything major revealed, or anything revealed
for that matter.  Nothing that hasn't been leaked to the press via
the Press Kit.

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From: chil@fraser.sfu.ca (Keith Lim)
Subject: Re: Multiple ST Roles
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:00:59 GMT

sro@media.mit.edu (Shawn O'Donnell) writes:

>Hey, ewing@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Rick Ewing) is right--Majel Barret
>has played three species: human nurse what's her name, Betazoid
>Lwaxana, and in the Menagerie/original pilot, she played, I think, a
>Vulcan (or other pointy-eared species) first officer.  Three.  And a
>computer to boot.

No, Spock was the token alien crewmember in the pilot. "Number One" was
human, so that character is the same species as the character Nurse 
Chapel. I agree though, if we consider "the computer" as a "species", that
makes three for Barrett. (Note: actually, she isn't so much playing the
computer, but only its voice output, so even if a computer is considered a
species, this is pushing it a bit. A person's voice is not the same as the
person, i.e., is not equivalent to the person's consciousness, the mental
processes, etc. that define what a person is. But let's not get into a
philosophical discussion here.)

[BTW, there's a bit of very minor crossdiscussion happening here. Let's
be clear whether we're dicussing different *roles* or different *species*.
The latter more-or-less necessarily implies the former, but not vice versa.]

Some others I've thought of:

Diana Muldaur has played three roles (but only two species, I think)
Christopher Collins has appeared as a Klingon and a Pakled.
Brent Spiner has played an android and a human (and did he play a Borg?--
     the first one the appeared in Q Who)
Robert O'Reilly played both a Klingon (Gowron) and has appeared as a (human)
     holodeck character (in Manhunt). This may be pushing it a bit.
John Putch has played two different Benzite characters.

Of course, there's always Colm Meaney and Michael Rider.

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From: Charlie_Hutchins@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Hutchins)
Subject: Chain of Command Part II
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 04:34:45 GMT

Chain of Command. How utterly disappointing. All this talk about war, etc and
not one battle! No burning ships. No glorious victories. Nothing! When are
the producers of ST:TNG going to learn. Look at the two best two-parters:
Redemption and BOBW. Excellent stories with some exciting battle scenes to
ensure a modicum of excitement. What a waste of a good plot. So what if it
cost some money. Look at the classic series. Kirk at least, and the
producers, had a sense of glory to preserve. There is something noble about
surviving an ardous confrontation with an alien race. I thought COC, in
general stunk! Some of these bloody shows never live up to their "teasers".
Why even bother making a two parter if it doesn't offer anything spectacular.
Look at Time's Arrow. Overblown and drawl. Please don't bother saying
anything about this writer's blood lust or my "Klingon stance". Neither of
these traits are accurate. I know piles of people who were disappointed with
this show for "exactly" the same reasons. I am not alone with this criticism.
Merry Christmas!
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From: jlindqui@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Body Double for Aunt Esther)
Subject: DSN Station List, Si Vous Plait...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 22:29:53 GMT

NOTE DISTRIBUTION: I don't need off-continent flames again, or clutter the
net with requests for when DSN will be aired in Luxembourg, when it probably
won't be for a couple of years...


Now that Deep Space Nine's debut is fast approaching, could whomever is
handling the station list (with air days and times, if possible) please
post it up to r.a.s.info this week?  If someone DOES happen to know the day/
time for the cable superstations that will carry it (I know WGN-Chicago is
one, I don't which of the others might) post it separately, so that people
who get cable, but don't have a local DSN station will know when to watch...

-- 
Jason A. Lindquist		University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana

   linky@uiuc.edu	"It's so weird to see Chris on the end of the bench!"
						-- My mom
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From: kogoma@triton.unm.edu (Taki Kogoma)
Subject: Re: do we need rec.arts.startrek.dsn?
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 06:24:36 GMT
Organization: Nit-Pickers for a Better Tomorow Afternoon

In article <1992Dec25.053010.28446@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu> msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood) writes:
>Taki Kogoma (kogoma@triton.unm.edu ) writes:
>> In article <1992Dec23.183526.8439@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu> msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood) writes:
>> >Could we *suggest* (in a pushy way) that the DSN queries go
>> >into the rec.arts.startrek newsgroup for now, then change the
>> >charter/make a new group if the DSN traffic warrants it? That
>> >would take some of the pressure off of this group...
>> 
>> rec.arts.startrek?  That group doesn't exist.
> 
>That's strange. I just finished reading articles on
>rec.arts.startrek. Is there something strange going on? (Im
>very confused about this!). Can anyone explain this to me?

rec.arts.startrek was officially rmgrouped this past april as the
final part of the reorg which gave us the rec.arts.startrek.*
heirarchy.  Go bug your newsadmin to rmgroup it and make sure
rec.arts.startrek.misc is being carried in its place.



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From: mcelroy@bu.edu (Carl Mackin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Why Data has white face
Date: 24 Dec 92 13:05:52 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

>uniforms that fit

If they did make uniforms that fit, we never would have had the
"Picard maneuver" which works quite well in most situations.

-Ma
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Subject: Re: Shabang's Chains Part I.
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 18:40:17 GMT

"Shabang's Chains"?

>Ahem<  No, I think I'll leave that thought unspoken! :-)

-- 
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University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
( Now in the Boston, Massachusetts area! )

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				- A friend, about the ST:TNG episode "Legacy"
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From: aar@engr.uark.edu (Albert A. Ruth)
Subject: DSN
Summary: So exactly when is DSN first showing
Keywords: DSN schedule
Organization: University of Arkansas
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 09:27:26 GMT

Can someone tell me the date of the first episode of deep space nine? My
local network here in Arkansas is supposedly showing it on jan 9, but will
that be the first episode's debut or will that start in on the series late?




                                                   aar 
                                                   aar@engr.uark.edu

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From: roy@watson.ibm.com
Subject: Re: picards french lines
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 22:34:39 GMT
Distribution: rec
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: roy@trigger.watson.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In <1992Dec31.3208.18586@dosgate> "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com> writes:
> -=> Trogers babbled to All and look what he said! <=-
>
> Tr> "You are six years old"
> Tr> "You cannot hurt me"
> Tr> mumble, mumble
>
>Picard said "You are six years old"
>            "Weak and helpless"
>            "You cannot hurt me"
>The mumble mumble is what he are trying to decipher, and the mumble
>mumble happens to be a french child's song.
>
>
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>Jason Wong
>Calling from Markham, Ontario CANADA.  It's not cold though!  :-)
>INTERNET E-MAIL: bernie.wong@canrem.com
>
>
>.... I drank WHAT!? ~ Socrates
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I don't know french and I recited it from memory, so it is
correct, "from a certain point of view".  :-)

Regards,
Tom Rogers
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From: jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9 Preview Film
Date: 1 Jan 93 01:00:10 GMT
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland

In article <92365.135401AUTSW@ASUACAD.BITNET> <AUTSW@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>I have the full 52 minute release preview for Deep Space Nine on tape,
>along with around 40 minutes worth of Babylon 5 previews, and a short
>5 minute preview for Time Trax.

How much you would ask if you copied & mailed that to me
(inc tape & postage) ??? (I live in finland, and yes, I have NTSC-capable
videos.)

That TimeTrax thingie doesn't impress, but DS9 and B5 would be cool to
have... but they all fit to 120min tape, so what the hell... I want
it all...!
Also I'd like to get a good copy of the DS9 pilot (It comes out next
week, right?) which is 2 hours = 120 min tape.

so how much you would ask for:
2  x120 tapes. Reasonable quality.
Postage to Finland (airmail or UPS slow-mode (6 days?))
your humble charge for all this.

- Jarnis
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From: greg@Quotron.COM (Greg "Maddog" Knauss)
Subject: Re: Wow! So many new SF shows!
Organization: Quotron System, Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:53:17 GMT

goldberg@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg) writes:

>Well, I caught the tail end of a commercial for a program called
>something like 'Time Travelers', also 'coming soon'. Anyone else
>seen anything like this?

Upcoming SF shows: Deep Space Nine (Synd.), Babylon Five (Synd.), Space
Rangers (CBS) and Time Trax (Synd.)
	And, hey, "Kung-Fu"!
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From: msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood)
Subject: Re: Uniform Colors in TNG
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 06:21:16 GMT

How about this?

BLUE -- Medicine, Science. These people are not line officers.

RED -- Command, navigation. These people ARE line officers.

GOLD -- Technology, security, operations. These people ARE line
        officers. Science line officers (like DATA???) also go
        here. 

Deep Space Nine throws this all off (y'know the doctor wearing
green and whatever the first officer wears), but the uniform
rules (I guess) are QUITE different for space stations.
Actually, I like the green uniform, and wish they'd change the
Enterprise's blue uniforms over to green...

One last uniform thing: What was the grey thing with the
rainbow stripe across thtop that Wesley wore? Why dn't we see
more of these?

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From: David.Gursky@p394.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (David Gursky)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: B5
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 14:43:33 -0500

Could someone enlighten me as to what "B5" is?  I would infer from the context
of the few messages I've seen mentioning it that it is a new Star Trek series
beyond TOS, TNG, and DS9.  Please respond by e-mail, as I suspect a number of
people on this group already know what it is, and need not wade through the
extra messages.

David Gursky,
david_gursky@p394.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org
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From: jnlong@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey N Long)
Subject: Re: TROI SMUT????
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:18:12 GMT

Type-Casting at it's best!

JL