From: nguyen@drutx.ATT.COM (Christopher Chu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: Re: [MISC,JOKE] Desert Storm on SCV.
Summary: About logical talks
Date: 14 Aug 92 02:40:36 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Denver, Colorado


Dear SCV Readers,

I was asked by anh Long Nguye^~n to "address" and DDK in public and thus,
I have to respond. I apologize for carrying on arguments with a number of
particular netters on the net. Please delete this article as you see fit.
Thanks.
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Dear Long Nguye^~n,

In the post below, you discussed Kuwait, Israel, the UN, the Arab and the
old Soviet Union. You associated these modelistic elements with yourself,
anh Ly' Tru'c Vie^.t, SCV, anh DDK and me. Needless to say, you identified
yourself with Kuwait and anh DDK with Saddam Husein in this parallelism.
Then you asked netters to "sanction" anh DDK. Since you asked, I must reply:
(1) Your analogy may not be reasonably valid because you have assumed that
you have some "oil" to be exploited; this may or may not be the fact. And,
(2) Netters can only "address" you because you used uncourteous words such
as "stupid" and "jerk" to attack anh DDK in your public call to "sanction"
bad behaviors on the net.

Dear Long Nguye^~n, to be very sincere, your contradictory English
fragments in the article to which I am trying to respond and most of the
articles that you posted on the net were very hard to read; those fragmented,
unrelated, unclear, and sometimes contradictory beliefs, ideas, and facts
just have not flowed together in the way you organized them. As well as
I could imagine why you thought your English fragments and your articles had
addressed what you wanted to state, I can say that you have only used and
depicted logic on its surface. I am not just saying what I want to say.
I have already explained why I think the article that I forwarded below was
in serious fallacy.

I really want to tell you that I admire your efforts in socializing knowledge
of logic and formal techniques of reasoning on the net and especially in your
personal attempt to figure out a plan to save Vietnam. However, I would also
appreciate very much if you would not bring me into any of your discussions
since I think it will take me forever to point out the fallacies in each and
everyone of your invalid arguments. As far as I know, it was not only me and
many other SCV netters but also an advanced expert who had participated in the
application of "fuzzy logic" in practical robotic research that could hardly
guess what you really wanted to discuss in your articles about logic. Dear
Long Nguye^~n, these are just my sincere thoughts and objective information
in responding to your article. I do not want to argue with anyone personally;
I only state what I see. As you have publicly claimed that you are a logician,
it is very reasonable if you can point out my fallacies and disagree with me
on this post.

Sincerely Yours,

Chris
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| From: longn@lauto.lmc.com (Long Nguyen)                                    |
| Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese                                         |
| Subject: [MISC,JOKE] Desert Storm on SCV.                                  |
| Message-ID: <m0mIXdi-35H0WNC@lauto.lmc.com>                                |
| Date: 13 Aug 92 06:22:00 GMT                                               |
| Sender: cuong@haydn (Cuong T. Nguyen)                                      |
| Reply-To: lotus!longn@sequent.com                                          |
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| To all SCV netter,                                                         |
|                                                                            |
| I am calling for SCV's sanction on DDK similar to UN resolution to Iraq.   |
|                                                                            |
| To enlight SCV, I would like to make analogy of the coming up actions      |
| as the Desert Storm against the antagonist DDK who should face sanction    |
| from SCV.                                                                  |
|                                                                            |
| About two weeks ago DDK blatantly jumped out to challenge Longan with a    |
| Math test.  Similarly two years ago, Iraq blatantly invaded Kuwait over    |
| oil dispute.  As it turned out, oil was not the motive but annexation      |
| was the real motive of Sadam Hussein.                                      |
|                                                                            |
| What was DDK motive on SCV?  Was he really protecting the validity of      |
| Logic or selfishly after his fame?  As we all witnessed, he never          |
| addressed directly to Longan's post but introduce his own challenge to     |
| show off under disguise.  If Longan co-operated and solved the challenge   |
| then SCV would witness meo` khen meo` dai` dduo^i.                         |
|                                                                            |
| > Actually, I could if I want to represent the problem's solution in full. |
| > Thanks for you wondeful job anyway !!                                    |
|                                                                            |
| > I was interested in Computability and Complexity for sometime when I was |
| > an undergraduate. I am sure there are a lot of people on the net who     |
| > are doing research in ALGORITHM and COMPLEXITY THEORY will soon respond  |
| > to your interest of dicussing the NP completeness. Personally, I have    |
| known                                                                      |
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| > I don't try to shoot you down like the turkey ...                        |
|                                                                            |
| This netter did not intent to shoot Longan down because:                   |
|                                                                            |
| 1. Longan will be gone after posting How to Save VN.                       |
| 2. DDK needs Longan's co-operation to show off.                            |
|                                                                            |
| Now, Longan does not co-operate, DDK is trying to save face with his Arab  |
| world.                                                                     |
|                                                                            |
| >May I take this opportunity to encourage LN to continue his series        |
| >of posting in logic and philosophy to prove his claim on net              |
| >as the logician. Long Nguyen had written:                                 |
|                                                                            |
| So DDK (Sadam Hussein of SCV) wants to withdraw from Kuwait but demanding  |
| terms under the threat of Scud missle attacks.                             |
|                                                                            |
| >So far I have finished two posts to back up my claims on LN last          |
| >Friday ... The next one is also in the series ... numbered as THREE and   |
| >followed by FOUR, FIVE, SIX ... LN !!! If you commit to adapt yourself    |
| >for the better then the series will be automatically terminated ...       |
| >LN !!! You have been warned ... Post whatever you like ... but please     |
| >be careful would you ???                                                  |
|                                                                            |
| I am calling UN resolution to be enforce, DDK must withdraw out of Kuwait  |
| UNCONDITIONALLY or face military action from the Allies.                   |
|                                                                            |
| Let's revisit DDK's real motive:                                           |
|                                                                            |
| >DDK, The only Vietnamese in Edinburgh...                                  |
|                                                                            |
| >What is this single mailing list about ??? Can you put my name on the     |
| >distribution list, anh Ti'n Le ??? I am still hee hee single and          |
| >available ... Anh DDu+'c !! You have recruited one for him already !!!    |
| >Thanks in advance !!!                                                     |
|                                                                            |
| In face of increasing opposition from SCV (the UN), DDK has switched       |
| target and attack HandsomeStranger who would coincidently fit the role as  |
| Israel. This was the last resort to rally the support from his Arab world. |
|                                                                            |
| I respectfully ask HandsomeStranger to ignore much of DDK's nonsense and   |
| limit exchanging with DDK to stay out of his cheap trick.                  |
|                                                                            |
| Another coincident, anh Chris Chu seems to fit the role of Soviet who is   |
| Iraq's arms supplier.  I formally asked anh Chris Chu to address DDK.      |
| You seem to be the only one on SCV that DDK would listen too.              |
|                                                                            |
| I asked all cao thu~ vo~ la^m on SCV to address the jerk DDK and ask him   |
| to shut up for awhile until he can contribute to SCV.  I have charged him  |
| stupid, arrogance, useless, ... with proofs but his automatic defense ego  |
| has shut himself out of sanity.  He would not listen to me any more.       |
|                                                                            |
| To simplify the matter, I provide one more new idiot proof about DDK:      |
|                                                                            |
| My post, How to Save VN, has not yet posted but DDK already elaborated     |
| about it.  His nonsense led him talking about things that he doest not     |
| know nor understand.                                                       |
|                                                                            |
| >herewith for  Long Nguyen's consideration who self claims a logician      |
| >and wants to introduce his plan to save VN with his logic. What a         |
| >illogical claim !!!    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^         |
|                                                                            |
| HOW STUPID CAN A PERSON BE TO SPEAK OUT THESE WORDS?!?                     |
|                                                                            |
| There are many more idiot proofs about DDK that can be presented but they  |
| will cost me much time and clobber the net.                                |
|                                                                            |
| Longan - Kuwait with a lot of oil.                                         |
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