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From: annius@sif.research.ptt.nl (Annius Groenink)
Subject: Re: Falcon 040 so soon? (was Re: Tramiel's got
Organization: PTT Research
Distribution: world,local
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 09:06:46 GMT

raist@rmece02.upr.clu.edu (Ricardo Hernandez | 802-36-4453) writes:

>  You guys can't be very serious believeing Atari promises.  I can buy
>the A4000 at a dealer NOW.

I can by a TT second hand NOW. (And I'll probably be way better off than with a
Falcon if what I want is multitasking)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: Your Conscience <dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Macro program for the ST?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:42:24 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

I'm trying to find a Macro Program for the ST. You know, a Desk Accessory or 
TSR that will allow me to hit a keystroke and have that activate menus, move 
the mouse automatically, and so on.

Does anything exist?
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra)
Subject: Re: Programming Language
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:34:15 GMT

naffara@crc.ac.uk (Dr. N.A. Affara) writes:

>OK, I have narrowed down my choice of language to learn to either:-
>Hisoft Basic 2
>or
>GFA Basic v3.5

>*I* thought that Hisoft was one of the "best" producers for serious stuff
>(like Microprose for sims) and did give good support.

>Some people disagree with this.

>So, which would you suggest?

Maybe you shouldn't make too big a problem of the choice. GFA is decent, as
is probably HiSoft... I've programmed for 3 years in Omicron basic (which
is not always too decent :) and I had loads of fun, learned lots of
programming tricks, learned all about GEM, VDI and AES, etc. I've written
GEM-applications of which I'm sure noone can tell they're written in basic,
etc., etc.
IMO (and I'm sure I'm not the only one), there will come a day when you want
something stronger than basic and you'll switch to (e.g.) C (like I did :).
In the meantime just make sure the basic you buy does what you want it to
be able to do (e.g. run on a Falcon) and don't worry too much about all the
pro's and con's. It's largely a matter of taste - GFA-freaks will tell you
never to buy HiSoft and the other way around. There can hardly be any
'truth' as to what the 'best' language is. Buy a good one (and there hardly
are bad ones nowadays), stick with it for a few years, learn how to program,
learn the ST (GEM et. al.) and then (after a few *years*) decide what you
*really* want from a programming language. By then you'll have enough
experience to know what you want and to know where to look for it.
And maybe you'll discover that the language you have does exactly what you
want - so you stick with it for another couple of years - or maybe the
rest of your life :).


--
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  |  hjv@phil.ruu.nl  |   You look for your dreams in
Dept. of Philosophy   |                   |   heaven, but what the hell are
University of Utrecht |                   |   you supposed to do when they
The Netherlands       |                   |   come true...?
From: bq035@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Jepson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: looking for Atari BBSes
Date: 10 Oct 1992 01:06:19 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bq035@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Jepson)
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   Is there a comprehensive list of Atari-oriented BBSes available? In
particular, I'm looking for something in Southern New England, close to
or in the Ocean State, Rhode Island.
   Thanks in advance...
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From: mikec@praxis.co.uk (Michael Chace)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Pure C ?
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:54:02 GMT
Organization: PraXis Systems plc, Bath, Avon UK

Hi Folks,

I had someone ask me the other day where is it possible to
obtain the 'Pure C' compiler for the ST ?

Anyone know ? Address, and 'phone number of supplier would
be useful.

Many Thanks,

Mike
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: morgado@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: PhotoChrome, GIF to RAW and PBM - HELP!!!
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 14:42:07 GMT


I've been trying to convert GIF files to RAW format to be able to view them
using PhotoChrome, using the PBM utilities available on a.a.u.e. 
I've attempted to do this in two ways.

1) giftoppm pic.gif > pic.ppm
   ppmtoraw pic.ppm > pic.raw
   The above steps I perform from within tcsch on MGR and MiNT. I then use
   PhotoChrome on pic.raw and the program hangs after about three mins. By 
   hang I mean the pink scan line stops half way up the screen and nothing else
   happens. Reboot is needed.

2) giftoppm pic.gif | pnmscale -xysize 320 200 | ppmtoraw > pic.raw
   Again performed from within tcsch on MGR and MiNT. This is the suggested
   method in the docs that come with ppmtoraw! In this case I get an error
   ...unknown magic number... from within pnmscale. This is strange since the
   man page for pnmscale says it can take any of ppm, pgm and pbm as inputs.

I've also tried both methods with several gif files without success. I have not
tried method 1) with a gif file that is actually 320x200, so I don't know if
that would work.

Any help would be gratefully received.

Carlos


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From: glennj@wam.umd.edu (James Richard Glenn)
Subject: FOR sale -- printer and scanner
Followup-To: glennj@wam.umd.edu
Summary: printer and ST scanner for sale
Keywords: printer scanner for sale
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 04:11:51 GMT

Star NX2420 Rainbow Printer:  24-pin dot matrix, 222 cps high-speed draft,
	167 cps draft, 55 cps NLQ, 7 fonts, color printing.  Printer cable
	included.  $200 plus shipping

Golden Image Hand Scanner:  B&W scanning, 400 dpi, Touch-Up included, hardly
	used, Readpic OCR included too.  $125 shipping included


--Jim Glenn

Respond to (in order of preference):
	glennj@wam.umd.edu	(Internet)
	(703) 978-3937		(Telephone)
	J.GLENN7		(GEnie)
	73617,3030		(CompuServe)
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	Annandale VA 22003
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Monkey Island II
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 18:36:22 GMT
Keywords: game

In article <Bvoxws.FGB@iat.holonet.net> wilsont@orac.holonet.net (Timothy Wilson) writes:
>andrew@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>
>>I understand that Monkey Island II would not be converted because LucasFilm
>>Games did not want to compromise the brilliant graphics and sound that both
>>the IBM and Amiga versions had for the lower standards that the Atari ST 
>>offered.  
>WHAT!!? I've played the amiga version of MI2...
>i sure didn't count any more than 16 colors!!!
>besdies.. Lucas film needs to learn the tecnique of "anti-aliasing"
>so does Seirra On-line for that matter.
>
>they use alot of High contrast colors, and definately not more that 16.
>if its the sound they are worried about.. then why is it on an IBM?

Because nowadays, any IBM gamer with a little extra cash (which is most of them)
has a Soundblaster card, or something similar to enhance their sound output. The
Soundblaster, while it's not the greatest sound I've ever heard on a PC, is
still pretty impressive.


-- 
"Dammit Jim, I'm a free man, not a number!"
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: BWWL@ibm.rz.tu-clausthal.de (Wolfgang Ley)
Subject: Re: Macro program for the ST?
Organization: Rechenzentrum der TU CLAUSTHAL
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:41:57 GMT

In article <9210071842.AA21101@photon.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Your Conscience <dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
 
>I'm trying to find a Macro Program for the ST. You know, a Desk Accessory or
>TSR that will allow me to hit a keystroke and have that activate menus, move
>the mouse automatically, and so on.
>
>Does anything exist?
 
Hi!
 
There exists a good macro-recorder. Get the file "macrec.lzh" via FTP from
"ftp.tu-clausthal.de" (139.174.1.3) in /pub/atari/systools/other/
 
Bye,
  Wolfgang.
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From: mwtilden@math.uwaterloo.ca (Mark W. Tilden)
Subject: Re: Chaos on atari.archive!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:39:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.122024.15321@cs.nott.ac.uk> dpg@cs.nott.ac.uk (`Grave' Dave Gymer) writes:
>the files are still in New/chaos.arc, New/chaos1.msa, and
>New/chaos2.msa.  Of course, Jeff Weiner may have moved them into
>Games!

Got 'em.  But what the hells an 'msa'.  What do I use to unpack them?

Is all.


-- 
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From: naffara@crc.ac.uk (Dr. N.A. Affara)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Programming Language
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:45:58 GMT
Organization: MRC Human Genome Resource Centre

OK, I have narrowed down my choice of language to learn to either:-
Hisoft Basic 2
or
GFA Basic v3.5

*I* thought that Hisoft was one of the "best" producers for serious stuff
(like Microprose for sims) and did give good support.

Some people disagree with this.

So, which would you suggest?

A few requirements:- 
1. Cheap as possible (GFA in front there, but don't you get other stuff in the
Hisoft pack which are extra for GFA?)
2. Falcon compatible (Hisoft is, don't know about GFA. I want to use the 
program on a ST or Falcon but not *necessarily* to use the programs I make on
both.)
3. Easy to learn (I am a complete beginner and wouldn't know where to start!)
4. Preferably able to run from 1 floppy. (I haven't got a hard drive yet, I'll
probably get one with the Falcon *when* I can buy one!)

Thanks *very* much for the help, I'd be well and truly f*cked without your
help!!!  (I would have to go by what they say in adverts! Not a good idea :-) )

Phil
(E-mail naffara@uk.ac.crc)
-- 
Kryten (When Cat says why don't we raise the defensive shields?) "A superlative
suggestion sir,with only two drawbacks: one,we don't have any defensive shields
and two,we don't have any defensive shields.I know that,technically,that's only
one drawback,but it was such a big one I thought I'd mention it twice".
From: okes@essex.ac.uk (Oke S)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Case Design for Falcon
Date: 10 Oct 92 14:25:28 GMT
	<annius.718622758@freyr> <BvvvzM.CyK@iat.holonet.net>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Essex, UK.
In-reply-to: wilsont@orac.holonet.net's message of 10 Oct 92 02:23:45 GMT

In article <BvvvzM.CyK@iat.holonet.net> wilsont@orac.holonet.net (Timothy Wilson) writes:

>Whats the Big deal about the case design?
>that and the 'mushy' keyobard have got to be the 2 lamest gripes!
>(welll. in my opinion.. you are entitiled to yours of course.. )

The case design is a purely practical thing to me. As I shift about in my
chair, I move the keyboard about too, to make the typing as fast and
comfortable as possible. If it's attached to the machine, that's hard to do
(esp. as the cable on my HD is only about a foot long.)
My other gripe with the STFM is that the keyboard is just too high up. I'm
typing this on a Sun type 5 keyboard, and I have it as flat as it will go.
That way the desk supports my wrists. When I type on my ST my wrists float in
mid-air. Very tiring.

>I don't know, but You can _really_ feel a major differnce is keyboards?
>I can sorta tell a difference, but it doesn't bother me to the point of
>" ARARGH not an ST keyboard! where's my poison!! "

Yes, there is a big difference in keyboards. The standard STFM/E keyboard is
no better than a Spectrum in my opinion. When I heard about the kits for making
ST keyboards feel better, I bought one as soon as I saw it, and it's a BIG
improvement. Instead of 'mush, mush, mush' it's more like 'clunk, clunk, clunk'.

So the case design _and_ keyboard quality are very important to me. I would not
wish to buy another machine in the same case as the ST. It might even make the
difference between buying a Falcon and a clone.

--
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like it and keep a copy for your own use, you owe me $20. Please pass it on
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From: jvance@maxwell.oac.uci.edu (Joachim Vance)
Subject: Re: german to english translator
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 12 Oct 92 08:17:46 GMT

esj@harvee.billerica.ma.us writes:
>is the author of ger2eng19 on the net? 
>has there been an update to this program?

  An upgrade of the program isn't really as necessary as an update of
the dictionary.  
  Can anyone upload a good German to English dictionary that they've
updated to be used with the ger2eng program?

--
Joachim Vance (The Underdog)
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From: mae@otter.hpl.hp.com (Mark Eve)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 08:39:51 GMT
Subject: FAQ: Wanted - GEM to IMG conversion program
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st

Address of any ftp site with a GEM to IMG image conversion program is all I'm
after.

Regards,

Mark Eve.
From: okes@essex.ac.uk (Oke S)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Summary of "which programming language"
Date: 10 Oct 92 14:14:47 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Essex, UK.
In-reply-to: sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz's message of 10 Oct 92 10:14:06 GMT

In article <1b6adeINNcul@golem.wcc.govt.nz> sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:

>I do think you are making a very big mistake in going into Hisoft Basic 2 it
>is not a world standard like GFA and there will be very little support for it,
>as for one thing Hisoft don't support there users, and I should know,
> I wrote to them about Bugs and Admissions in Hisoft Knife ST, there reply was
>get lost we don't wish to know..

>Also there was/is more world wide support for GFA than the Hisoft products,
>also the speed of GFA has to be seen to be believed, its faster than compiled
>C...??

Yes, but you are forgetting that GFA uses dodgy ways of achieving its
speed - translation: it's dirty, and I have heard rumours that it's
MiNT-hostile. Whereas I have always found HiSoft Basic to be fast, friendly to
use and it has the advantage of having the compiler as an integral feature of
the package, rather than an optional extra. I have GFA 3.5, obtained from a
ST Format coverdisk, but after trying it out for a couple of hours I never
went back to it. Whereas I have used STOS basic (don't laugh) and HiSoft for
over 4 years.

I have never had any trouble with support from HiSoft, as I have never needed
any.

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From: sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Jaguar
Date: 17 Oct 1992 00:20:57 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

In article <1992Oct15.034421.10607@bsu-ucs.uucp>, 01mbmccabe@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>What's a Jaguar?   i assue something like Genesis or Nintendo?  Detail
>please.....Is it worth a hoot?   (Hint:  It's all in software support.)
>
>			-Matt

Well I thought these were cars made in the U.K....:-)..

Roger............     sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
From: chu@acsu.buffalo.edu (John C. Chu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: FALCON ? READ THIS !!!
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:53:27 GMT
Organization: UB

It seems to me that all this guy proved was that he knew more about
the Falcon than the guy he was quizzing. While that's regrettable and
somewhat unprofessional of Atari, that says nothing about the quality
of the machine.

After reading this article, I just have one question:

Can someone explain to me why the author of the article seems to feel
that the Falcon is not a very good machine because it has features
that other computers have (to use his words, "The Falcon is an Ape")?

Does this mean the Amiga and the ST are also not very good machines
because they followed the Mac's lead in having a graphical user
interface? (Of course, to extend this further, Apple "paid homage" to
Xerox.) So if the NeXT is considered a good machine, any machine that
has DSP and a GUI should automatically be looked on disparagingly?

Were the 2nd generation Amigas bad computers because Commodore decided
to give them an "ST-style" (:-)) numeric keypad? :-) :-)

Of course not. Having a numeric keypad is generally considered an
improvement.

(My Amiga history isn't that great. But if I remember correctly, the
first Amiga keyboards didn't have a numeric keypad, but later ones
did, in the "standard" (i.e., VT terminal, PC keyboard) layout.)

Frankly, I don't understand why he characterized the Falcon in the
negative manner for having features that people want. It seems to me
that the computer industry evolves exactly by this process. First, the
expensive machines have some feature and eventually it becomes
available on some machine at a lower price point.

So, will some one please explain (if you're going to be inflammatory,
please use e-mail) why this is such a bad thing?

					john
From: g.coulter@daresbury.ac.uk (G. Coulter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Falcon Speed?
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:02:12 GMT
Reply-To: g.coulter@darebury.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK

I am trying to find out which cpu will be fitted in the
new Atari falcon machines and roughly how fast the machine
will run. in MIPS if possible

Gary. 
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From: hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu)
Subject: Re: Falcon 040 / Windowing UNIX
Organization: SAR Systems Development & Processing, JPL
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 07:20:00 GMT

In article <klamer.718386914@mi.el.utwente.nl> klamer@mi.el.utwente.nl (Klamer Schutte) writes:
>That should be very nice, to have X run under (over) MiNT. But a few problems
>first have to be solved:
>
>1) Memory. Running a complete X setup (server, xterm + shell, application,
>	window manager) likes a lot of memory. I only have seen this running
>	on virtual memory systems -- probably the way to go. But this will
>	exclude all ST models (because of 4Meg real memory limit, and no
>	virtual memory models). TT, Falcon, ST+68030 can be made to run
>	with VM. Does MiNT support this yet?

MiNT doesn't support paging or swapping yet. At this point, I think swapping
could be added fairly easily, but I'm not sure I'd want to run that way.

>2) Connection method. X likes a decent network to connect server and 
>	clients. Basically, TCP/IP and DECNET are supported (major).
>	Is such a beast available for MiNT? (OK, for starters sockets may
>	do. But see 3.)

>3) In most business setups networks are heavily used; one of the strengths
>	of X is (IMHO) the power to run on every machine from your
>	local display. However, for decent performance one want ethernet,
>	or similar speeds. Is this available for many ST's? And does
>	MiNT support that?
>
>OK, to be true -- i should check MiNT again. Last experience with a very
>early version.

2 and 3 seem closely related. MiNT currently does not support sockets, tho
it does have uni- and bi-directional pipes. Wrapping a Unix-domain socket
interface around this would be trivial at the library level, which would
at least get you running with server and local clients. Full internet
socket support would be nice, but requires a lot of work and a lot of code.
Also, the only interfaces one could reliably expect to be available are the
MIDI port, centronics port, and 68901 serial port. On the Mega STe and TT
you add the Z8530 serial ports, but there doesn't seem to be any standard
for the available ethernet hardware. The best approach to addressing this
problem would be to collect all the ethernet boards that are available and
try to develop a functional equivalent to the Packet Driver software
interface standard that's used on MSDOS. There is PD code available to
support ethertalk and most of the Appletalk protocols. I don't know of any
PD code that directly implements Localtalk, so running localtalk on the
8530 ports is still a problem... For the rest, all you need is someone with
a bit of knowledge and enough time. I'm sure someone with a copy of the
Inside Appletalk book could cover the last hurdle as well...

-- 
  -- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

California, land of dreams. For many, moving out to CA is their first step
toward fulfilling their dreams. For most of them, it's also their last.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: euaanu@eua.ericsson.se (Arto Nummelin)
Subject: Fax number to Joppa
Reply-To: euaanu@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 05:53:26 GMT

Does anybody out there in netland know the fax number to Joppa?
I would like to know since I've been thinking of
ordering a fax modem from them.

Thanks.
/Arto

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