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From: kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: Iowa State U. Code of Computer Ethics (was Re: Babak Sehari ...)
Originator: kadie@eff.org
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:06:51 GMT

This is a critique of Iowa State University's Computer Ethics policy.
Its due process protection is excellent. Its freedom of expression
protection is not as good as it should be. Its privacy protection is
unclear. It does not say how much users participated in policy
creation.  It has contains several items that seem redundant or that
don't make sense. (This suggests a lack of review).

Due process:

It says: "Violations of the University Code of Computer Ethics are
treated like any other ethical violation as outlined in the Student
Handbook and applicable faculty and staff handbooks."

I think this is a great way to tie the computer into general University
procedures.

Freedom of Expression:

On the plus side it says: "ISU policies regarding the appropriate use
of university facilities and the ethics of personal behavior apply to
the use of all forms of electronic communication."  It's great that
computer communication is equated with other communication media. It's
too bad that prohibitions are mentioned without mentioning rights. For
example, most universities guarantee their community the right to be
free of censorship.

Also, the policy forbids the use of newsgroups, email, etc for
"political purposes" without defining the term. The term is so vague
that it could be used to ban much (most?) computer communications. The
policy could be much improved by finding the specific Iowa State law
that motivates this restriction and quoting it exactly. (The law
likely forbids some specific partisan political uses.)

Privacy: It says "Viewing or using another person's computer files,
programs or data without authorized permission is unethical behavior
and an invasion of that person's privacy." But it doesn't say
explicitly if this applies to the University as well as to users. The
policy could be improved by providing explicit privacy protection from
all eyes, official and unofficial.

Other items:

It says: "Copyrighted software must only be used in accordance with
its license or purchase agreement." This confuses copyrights with
licenses. It should say: "Copyrighted software must be used in
accordance with its copyright. Licensed software must be used in
accordance with its license."

Also, this item on copyright seems redundant given that the another
long section of the policy also covers copyright.

Finally, a nitpick. I think the policy could be improved by removing
the word "ethics". To me, "ethics" is about things you don't have to
do, but that you should do. This policy is about things you have to
do; it is about about "rules", not "ethics". Unless Iowa State
University has a tradition of calling its rules "ethics codes", I
don't think it should apply the term here.

- Carl
-- 
Carl Kadie -- I do not represent EFF; this is just me.
 =kadie@eff.org, kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =
Xref: sparky alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk:3866 comp.misc:4782 sci.psychology:4917 comp.security.misc:2458 alt.psychology.personality:397
From: kevin@eye.com (Kevin Stokker)
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,comp.misc,sci.psychology,comp.security.misc,alt.psychology.personality
Subject: Re: REPOST of Hacker Personality Characteristics
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 20:42:29 GMT
Organization: 3D/EYE, Inc.  Ithaca, NY

I would be really interested to see a profile like this on the
personality characteristics of chess players!

kgs
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,news.admin.policy,news.admin.misc
From: skunz@iastate.edu (Steven L Kunz)
Subject: Re: Babak Sehari postings -- iastate.edu is dealing
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:00:16 GMT

In <1993Jan7.155051.20843@eff.org> kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie) writes:

>2. Massive autoposting likely violates the University's likely
>prohibition on substantially disruptive actions. [...]
>[...] (Massive autoposting also likely violates the ISU computer policy's ban
>on "rude" postings. But this ban is, in my opinion, illegal because it is
>unconstutionally vague and broad.)

For a point of reference on what we are talking about here ...

From Iowa State's computer ethics statement:

    The following guidelines govern ethical computer use at Iowa State
  University:

  ...

      #  ISU policies regarding the appropriate use of university facilities
       and the ethics of personal behavior apply to the use of all forms of
       electronic communication.  In addition, users of any electronic
       communication facilities, such as electronic mail, networks, bulletin
       boards and newsgroups, are obligated to comply with the restrictions
       and acceptable practices established for those specific facilities.
       Certain types of communications are expressly forbidden.  This includes
       the random mailing of messages; the sending of obscene, harassing, or
       threatening material; or the use of the facilities for commercial or
       political purposes.

   ...

-- 
Steven L. Kunz
Networked Applications | Usenet News Admin.
Iowa State University Computation Center, Iowa State University, Ames  IA
INET: skunz@iastate.edu     BITNET: gr.slk@isumvs.bitnet
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: jnomina@andy.bgsu.edu (A.P.K.)
Subject: jobs
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 08:36:54 GMT


I've been looking for work for a little while now, and
never having had a job in the civilian sector, I was
somewhat flummoxed (sp?) about everything.  Anyway, as
I'd mentioned in a couple of other news.groups, I'd
be posting any good news here.  And I've got some
good news now, in a sense, so...................  :)

Obviously, I got a job.  It wasn't what I'd been looking
for, but I'm NOT complaining.  In fact, it really wasn't
even a job I applied for, but having heard about it, I
jumped to get it, and I got it.  I'm going to be teaching
a "C" language class at a prominent area tech school.
Sure, it's only part-time, and not enough to pay my bills
in and of itself, but hey, it's a start!  Now if I look
into one or two other part-time positions that I know
of, and ensure them that part-time is better than no
time, perhaps everything will work out well!  (I'm in
a position of HAVING to take a semester off for ...
personal reasons, one semester away from my BS in CS.)

Of course, I've gotta take the bad with the good, and there
is one slight bit of bad news in all of this.  From what
I've seen in all of my interviews and such to date, everyone
with whom I've interviewed is using messy-dos clones.
Since I'm a hard-core Apple(r) user, and since my university
is a hard-core Apple(r) platformed university, I've almost
NO experience with the clone world.  It appears as though
I'm going to have to get a clone of some sort in order to
do some of my work at home (like grading, preparations, etc)
IF I want to be able to do such things at home ... as well
as to force myself to actually LEARN all the in's and out's
of the clone world.  <sigh>  But I suppose that God (whoever's
version is correct, being primarily agnostic) really DOES
work in bizarre ways sometimes.  Just before Christmas, I
got a call from Sears (Inc., or whatever) and they were
seeking applications for credit cards.  Well, no means no,
but the girl on the other end had such a sweet voice that it
weakened my defenses and I said it was okay for them to try
to give me one (thinking that I wouldn't be approved).  Well
I was, and I just received the card in the mail a couple of
days ago, and if it seems that I really MAY need a small
clone of some sort, well, I've been provided with a means to
an end, if necessary...

It all works out in the end, I guess.

Jim



Xref: sparky alt.good.news:1185 alt.flame:17595 alt.stupidity:3548
From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (MAWENZI lieutenant of Kibo)
Newsgroups: alt.good.news,alt.flame,alt.stupidity
Subject: What new innovation, software or products do you want to see?
Date: 5 Jan 93 04:59:09 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4


No answer is stupid, eh? You underestimate us.
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: Andrew McCallum <andrewm@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: I DID IT!!!
X-To: DANIEL DRUCKER
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:24:00 GMT

From daniel@mertwig.uucp (Daniel Drucker)
>Andrew McCallum <andrewm@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>
>> From sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Sgt. Kleper)
>> >Just thought I'd "spew" (Can't
>> >get used to that word.)
>>
>>     I can.  I use more references linking vomit to the mind than what's good
>> for me.
>>
>>     Makes you think.
>
>Andrew, what do you do when not posting?

    Thinking.


    Thinking, sulking, or getting in trouble.


    Yeah.  I have no life at the moment.

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    .sig's are neat,                   | Andrew McCallum
    .sig's are fun,                     \ andrewm@zooid.guild.org
    .sig's tell where to flame someone.  |andrewm@terranet.cts.com

            SUPRESS THE POOR, SAVE THE RICH, KILL THE STRANGE
From: andrewm@zooid.guild.org (Andrew McCallum)
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
Subject: Re: I shoulda just done it...
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:19:00 GMT
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
X-To: JARED QUINN

From jarqui@scorch.apana.org.au (Jared Quinn)
>Andrew McCallum <andrewm@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>|    Yeah.  Maybe I can do that now since I got kicked off my other spewing
>|conference (NaNet-Teen).
>
>Yeah get out there... tho I must admitt I had after 6 months of  being
>dateless  decided to give up actively looking and wake up to realise I
>am a failure, then just as I had given up, Peta asked me out...

    Just as I had given up, I found alt.kids-talk.

>Think  i'll  change my sig alot now...  The same sig gets boring after
>tooo long...

    Not mine.

---
    .sig's are neat,                   | Andrew McCallum
    .sig's are fun,                     \ andrewm@zooid.guild.org
    .sig's tell where to flame someone.  |andrewm@terranet.cts.com

            SUPRESS THE POOR, SAVE THE RICH, KILL THE STRANGE
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: jarqui@scorch.apana.org.au (Jared Quinn)
Subject: Re: Emm... 'morning
Organization: Craggenmoore public Unix system , Newcastle , Oz
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:17:39 GMT

sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Sgt. Kleper) writes:

|I'm 15. Why don't we just keep a file somewhere that has all current active
|members of alt.kids-talk

Ok.. I have one here called KIDS.EMA  on my hard  disk  (not  on  this
system),  that  I have added people who seem to write a lot in here, I
will  add  more  while reading this area today and post it later on...
and maybe weekly updates to it??? tho we  wont  need  it  that  often,
we'll see how it goes... 

-Jared

-- 
Jared Quinn
---------------------------------+--------------------------------------O---O-
jarqui@scorch.apana.org.au       | A great philosopher once wrote:        i
3:622/401.0@fidonet.org          | Naughty,  Naughty,  Very Naughty!    \___/ 
---------------------------------+--------------------------------------------
Tought/Quote of the Day:
If you've seen one city slum, you've seen them all.
SPIRO AGNEW
	

Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: jlpicard@austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker)
Subject: Fighting
Originator: jlpicard@woofer.austin.ibm.com
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:25:56 GMT
Reply-To: jlpicard@austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Object Technology Products


An event on the teevee show _Home Improvement_ last week leads me
to ask alt.kids-talk: How do you (and your parents) handle things
when you get in a fight?

Scenario (from _Home Improvement_): Another kid was teasing Brad
(called him a "diaper-baby"), so Brad punched him, resulting in a 
fight, the principal sending a note home, etc. Brad ended up being
grounded. The father's advice was that Brad should "learn to laugh
with the other kid."

I think the father's advice was highly unrealistic, as I think 
we can all remember past experiences wherein we were teased/insulted
mercilessly by another kid to the point where, if we _didn't_ punch 
them, we later wished we had.

So, I ask you:

When (if ever) do you think it's proper to take a swing at someone?

What do your parents tell you about fighting?

What do your parents do when you get in a fight?

What do you think is the best way (if such a thing exists) to avoid
getting in a fight?

Last week I asked similar questions on misc.kids and got some interesting
responses from parents...I think it would be cool to get some input from
"the other side".

Please email me (or post, if you can't email) and I'll summarize the
responses, along with the responses I got from parents. All responses
will be anonymous, unless you tell me that you don't care.

With your help, this could be an interesting little summary, so let me
know what you think!

Thanks!

Craig

-- "You will have the tallest,    Craig Becker, Object Technology Products --
--  darkest leading man in               Internet: jlpicard@austin.ibm.com --
--  Hollywood."                     IBM TR: jlpicard@woofer.austin.ibm.com --
--   - Merian C. Cooper to Fay Wray               VNET: JLPICARD at AUSVM1 --


-- 
-- "You will have the tallest,    Craig Becker, Object Technology Products --
--  darkest leading man in               Internet: jlpicard@austin.ibm.com --
--  Hollywood."                     IBM TR: jlpicard@woofer.austin.ibm.com --
--   - Merian C. Cooper to Fay Wray               VNET: JLPICARD at AUSVM1 --
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: Andrew McCallum <andrewm@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Feet  was Re: I shoulda just done it...
X-To: SGT. KLEPER
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:59:00 GMT

From sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Sgt. Kleper)
>There's an idea. There are some pretty weird groups out there.

    Here in Ontario, there's ont.personals.whips.and.rubber.chickens.

    Go figure.

---
    .sig's are neat,                   | Andrew McCallum
    .sig's are fun,                     \ andrewm@zooid.guild.org
    .sig's tell where to flame someone.  |andrewm@terranet.cts.com

            SUPRESS THE POOR, SAVE THE RICH, KILL THE STRANGE
From: andrewm@zooid.guild.org (Andrew McCallum)
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
Subject: Blow me
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:49:00 GMT
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
X-To: ALL


    Blow me away.  We just beat out alt.tastless.jokes today.

---
    .sig's are neat,                   | Andrew McCallum
    .sig's are fun,                     \ andrewm@zooid.guild.org
    .sig's tell where to flame someone.  |andrewm@terranet.cts.com

            SUPRESS THE POOR, SAVE THE RICH, KILL THE STRANGE
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: jarqui@scorch.apana.org.au (Jared Quinn)
Subject: Re: I shoulda just done it...
Organization: Craggenmoore public Unix system , Newcastle , Oz
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:14:59 GMT

arbrown@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Amy Brown) writes:

|	Hmm, my dad is fourteen (!!!) years older than my mom, but then
|they both married late.  And my boyfriend is four years and eight months
|older than me, and we seem to be doing okay.  I guess it's the age of the
|people involved as well as the relative age.  I mean, thirteen vs nine
|seems a lot more significant than twenty-one vs seventeen, or better yet,
|thirty-four vs thirty.

Yeah as I said, I cant see anything wrong with it...

Just outa curiosity, how long  have  you  been  going  out  with  your
boyfriend?   I  can't  see  myself  going  out  with someone that much
younger  then  me,  i've never known a 9 year old to be able to hold a
relationship... and personally I can't stand casual relationships,   I
never get envlolved unless I'm serious...

-Jared
-- 
Jared Quinn
---------------------------------+--------------------------------------O---O-
jarqui@scorch.apana.org.au       | A great philosopher once wrote:        i
3:622/401.0@fidonet.org          | Naughty,  Naughty,  Very Naughty!    \___/ 
---------------------------------+--------------------------------------------
Tought/Quote of the Day:
Ill play with it first and tell you what it is later.
MILES DAVIS
	

Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Sgt. Kleper)
Subject: Re: I shoulda just done it...
Reply-To: sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:03:56 GMT

Andrew -

I got a test on that stuff tomorrow. Just thought you might like to
know. Course III right? I think I finally got it.

-Scott
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: arbrown@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Amy Brown)
Subject: Re: ...
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:51:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.233857.21352@zooid.guild.org> Andrew McCallum <andrewm@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>From daniel@mertwig.uucp (Daniel Drucker)
>>Forget all that. Pretend its the day it happened. Now pick up the
>>phone (assuming you have home news, and not on a dialup), dial her
>>number, and ask her out.
>
>    BAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahaahahahaaahaha... ha.. .a... .. .... . ..
	Danny Drucker is just an amusing guy, ain't he?  Read alt.flame
sometime :-) .  Just kidding.  But my brother finally managed to kill him!
Neat, huh?

Amy


Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: zhu@athena.mit.edu (Erin Zhu)
Subject: Re: Age in relationships
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:38:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.132226.1380@lds.loral.com> kurnik@lds.loral.com writes:

>My girlfriend and I have a similar situation.  I'm 26 and she's 16.

Try 17 and 33...

  --Erin
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: arbrown@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Amy Brown)
Subject: Re: Feet  was Re: I shoulda just done it...
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:15:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.234348.1672@ultb.isc.rit.edu> sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>In article <C0G0pD.5tw@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, arbrown@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Amy Brown) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan6.091219.90898@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>>
>>	Oh yes!  My boyfriend gives awesome foot massages!  Your feet
>>are kinda attached to the rest of your body, so when your feet feel
>>good, your whole body feels good!  It's a wonderful concept.
>
>Your nose is attached to the rest of your body too. Try rubbing a girl's nose.
	Oh god.  You know what I mean...  Like, nerves or whatever.
Besides, after a certain point it doesn't matter _what_ you rub, it
feels good anyway!  ;-)  But I guess you have to get her to like you
first, eh?
>

Xref: sparky alt.kids-talk:1632 misc.kids:32131
From: patth@panix.com (Patt Bromberger)
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk,misc.kids,sun.childcare
Subject: Re: Predict your next child`s sex
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:08:07 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Distribution: na
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC

In article <1993Jan7.213338.11822@lincroftnj.ncr.com> reg@lincroftnj.ncr.com (51351[efw]-Regina Mackiewicz(MT4799)1374MT) writes:
>when you say age with Chinese Reckoning does that mean the chart has been
>altered to use the Chinese way of counting age??  i showed this chart
>to a chinese co-worker and he wanted to know if the ages represented where
>the western or chinese way of age.  for instance, in western years
>i'm 33 but according to chinese i'm really 34.

Gee, my sister and brother-in-law wasted all that time taking her
temperature every morning, just to be able to determine the gender of
their child - they already had two girls and they were delighted when
Matt was born!

No, the thermometer was not from China!  :-)

-- 
Patricia Ann Bromberger                            patth@panix.com
I shall go out in my slippers in the rain. And pick flowers in 
other people's gardens And learn to spit. -- "Warning" by Jenny Joseph
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: arbrown@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Amy Brown)
Subject: Re: Bleh
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:18:26 GMT

In article <biddy.03ss@ping.actrix.gen.nz> biddy@ping.actrix.gen.nz writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.155702.876@scorch.apana.org.au> jarqui@scorch.apana.org.au (Jared Quinn) writes:
>> 
>> Andrew McCallum <andrewm@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>> 
>> |    Homework time.
>> 
>> Poor you.. I dont have ANYTHING to do...
>> 
>
>Neither - we haven't even started school yet!!
	Yeah, _and_ you're in the middle of summer!  Some people have
all the luck!  



Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: Andrew McCallum <andrewm@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: ...
X-To: DANIEL DRUCKER
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:28:00 GMT

From daniel@mertwig.uucp (Daniel Drucker)
>Forget all that. Pretend its the day it happened. Now pick up the
>phone (assuming you have home news, and not on a dialup), dial her
>number, and ask her out.

    BAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahaahahahaaahaha... ha.. .a... .. .... . ..

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    .sig's are neat,                   | Andrew McCallum
    .sig's are fun,                     \ andrewm@zooid.guild.org
    .sig's tell where to flame someone.  |andrewm@terranet.cts.com

            SUPRESS THE POOR, SAVE THE RICH, KILL THE STRANGE

Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: jarqui@scorch.apana.org.au (Jared Quinn)
Subject: Re: Bleh
Organization: Craggenmoore public Unix system , Newcastle , Oz
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:57:02 GMT

Andrew McCallum <andrewm@zooid.guild.org> writes:

|    Homework time.

Poor you.. I dont have ANYTHING to do...


-- 
Jared Quinn
---------------------------------+--------------------------------------O---O-
jarqui@scorch.apana.org.au       | A great philosopher once wrote:        i
3:622/401.0@fidonet.org          | Naughty,  Naughty,  Very Naughty!    \___/ 
---------------------------------+--------------------------------------------
Tought/Quote of the Day:
Its not the size of the ship, its the size of the waves.
LITTLE RICHARD
	

Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
From: jarqui@scorch.apana.org.au (Jared Quinn)
Subject: Re: I shoulda just done it...
Organization: Craggenmoore public Unix system , Newcastle , Oz
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:22:50 GMT

jcbarthe@rodan.acs.syr.edu (John C. Barthelmes) writes:

|Wow, this story sounds really familiar to me. I have never in my life gone
|out with someone my own age either. I once (a while ago) went out with a
|girl a year older than me, but that didnt work out. The others have been
|either 2-3 years younger than me. The best one (right now) is 1 1/2 years
|younger than me. Her name is Jenn. She is wonderful!!!  =)
|					John

How old are u? (if you dont mind)  Nah, girls older then me never work
out... not many relationships for me ever work out...  this  has  been
the  best one ever for me... and things look like there sticken... tho
I  dont  have  a  clue  what  to  do..  my  best  friend  and Peta (my
girlfriend's) B'days are on the same day!!! 7th Febuary...  I will  be
going to Peta's party for sure now coz she asked first... tho my  best
friend  is havin a huge bash...   Jennifers... hmm I could tell you  a
few story's about Jennifer's that I have liked/gone out with...

-Jared
-- 
Jared Quinn
---------------------------------+--------------------------------------O---O-
jarqui@scorch.apana.org.au       | A great philosopher once wrote:        i
3:622/401.0@fidonet.org          | Naughty,  Naughty,  Very Naughty!    \___/ 
---------------------------------+--------------------------------------------
Tought/Quote of the Day:
Ill play with it first and tell you what it is later.
MILES DAVIS
From: daniel@mertwig.uucp (Daniel Drucker)
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk
Subject: Re: fantisize
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 16:21:30 EST
Reply-To: daniel%mertwig@uunet.uu.net  (Daniel Drucker)
Organization: Abnormalities of Reality

gpt@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (gabe.p.torok) writes:

> 	I'm looking for any guy out there that's
> willing to write to me.  Tell me that your gorgeous,
> tall, dark, and have green eyes.  I want to 
> fantasize about you day and night, and dream about
> the day we can finally meet.  Please write to me if
> you can fulfill my dreams.  What do you like to do?
> What are your interests?
> 			Aliza

Wow...if this isn't bait I don't know what is...and if it isn't write
me.



--
Daniel Drucker        N2SXX       Coconut seashells whispering to me
daniel%mertwig@uunet.uu.net         "Forever, forever, my Coda..."
Newsgroups: alt.kids-talk