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From: choo@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (TOM HOO CHUIN HOONG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Important:PLEASE read.
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:29:51 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Dear fellow Malaysians,
	I have been reading from the network for a long time and is troubled
by the racist slurs and personal attacks being thrown around by some people
in the network.

	I believe that we, as Malaysians, must seek to forge close ties among
each other, no matter which sides we take in an argument. We should act as
mature adults in accepting other people's opinions, and debating both sides
of the issues...not throwing personal attacks at other people's race, religion,
or beliefs. It is unimaginable that some people among us can resort to words
like "f---" and childish retorts when the same people are studying in top \universities in the States. The same people that I am talking about not only resort
to asking people "to wash their faces in the toilet bowl 1000 times", or writing racist comments about the identities of other people, but also seek to
sensationalize sensitive issues. These people are dangerous because they will
ultimately create an atmosphere of tension among members of the newsgroup when
the objective of the newsgroup is to create fruitful discussions of certain
issues.

	We should stop replying to people like Zam because he does not seem to
understand the basic manners of discussion in the network. Because of their
behavior, much  unnecessary enery and anger have been unleashed among members
of the network when all these energy should have been channeled into discussing
all sides of the issues.

	I love Malaysia and I am not deterred by words that say I am loyal
to other countries like SIngapore, China.Of course I will be hurt when someone
calls me unpatriotic, or that I should leave Malaysia, or that I should give my
mum, sister to someone else....BUT WHAT IS THE POINT OF TALKING TO SENSELESS
PEOPLE WHO HAVE PROVEN AGAIN AND AGAIN THAT THEY ARE INSENSITIVE TO OTHER PEOPLE' FEELINGS AND HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THEM?

	Please, Boycott people like Zam. They will only create trouble when
there is none. These people are flame-starters that will jeopardize the 
relationship among races. We should work together to solve the problems among
us, not insult each other's identity.

	BOYCOTT THEM NOW!
TOM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: rtt1@cec1.wustl.edu (Rajan T Thampi)
Subject: Re: The privileges of the Sultans
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 03:32:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.211217.21774@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:

>In article <1992Apr10.133802.54380@cc.usu.edu> fajack@cc.usu.edu writes:
>>	Someone (guess who !) has been using British monarchy to justify
>>the existence of our Sultans.  However, the are A LOT differences between
>>our system and theirs.
>

>	Of course, there is a difference between the Monarchy in
>England and Malaysia.  England does not accept that many Chinese as
>her citizens; therefore, dimishing any kinds of problems that will be
>created from a multi-racial society.  Malaysia, in her kindness to the
>new immigrants, accepted a lot of Chinese, changing the whole scope of
>the Malaysian power-play.  Do you see a lot of immigrants objecting to
>having the Queen in England?  No, because they know they are lucky to
>be in England and know their fate.  But hey, gratitude is not
>something that you see in Malaysia...
>

	Man, what the hell is wrong with you?  Someone is talking about the
	differences in the monarchy system, and wham! comes this guy with the   	reply which includes racists hints at immigrants, the Chinese in 
	particular.  The original article did not even refer to the communities
	making up the two countries.  God only knows what you are learning at 
	MIT.  Is your daily routine that of leaving your apartment daily for the
	campus for classes and back again when done for the day?  Do you ever
	interact with the various no. of communities that make up the 
	institution, that add a spice to the college setting?  Is your mind 
	a one track mind that only adheres to calling people nice when their
	views agree with yours?  Use the summer to explore Cambridge or
	Boston properly...  Don't go back to Malaysia with a negative and close-	minded attitude.   

>	So what?  We should have had 11 Rulers, but the state of
>Malacca and Penang did not have a ruler once they had become
>predominately Chinese.  
>


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: A paradox?
Reply-To: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 19:32:39 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.193225.16920@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.194626.4635@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr9.234009.21417@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>>
>>If Adolf had his way, even you will be wiped out of this Earth, and
>>the whites would rule the world.
>
>	Well, Hitler was only interested in Europe.  The Asia
>continent was in Japan's sphere of incluence.  If the Axis had won, we
>would all be speaking Japanese and you know how much the Japanese hate
>the Chinese....
>

Wrong again...get your historical facts right...and don't make such allegations
such as the Japanese hating the Chinese...What prove do you have? You keep
using "ifs", how about taking reality for once. first you use Hitler, then
you talk about the Japanese conquering Asia in WWII...simply unreal, no , not
the war, i was referring to you as unreal......

>
>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 


tabk2@isuvax.bitnet
From: tloh@husc8.harvard.edu (Teck Loh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Zam Again!
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:33:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr10.183351.10937
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <s36t8INNp47@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> ST101019@brownvm.brown.edu writes:
>Well, after Zam's most recent outbursts, I sent him personal mail
>expressing my disapproval. He mailed back in his usual elegant
>style (NOT!) and I am going to share a few snippets with the net.
>
>First of all, he assumed that I was a quote stoopid Chinese unquote.
>Yes, maybe my IQ is not as high as yours, as you can tell a person's
>race from their anonymous userid!
>
>He also told me
>    chop all of Malaysia's trees down = instant G7 status.
>Isn't this interesting?
>
>He also made some references to "taking your father up your butt" and
>other such pleasantries which I'm sure scanetters know he is capable
>and willing to utter. So I shan't bore you by repeating them. Personally
>though, the most interesting thing he said was in response to my comment
>that Malaysia had a duty to the rest of the world to keep _some_ trees.
>Our dear friend Zam said in response that *I* have a responsiblity to
>keep him happy and asked me to give him my mother and sisters. Geez Zam,
>I don't have a sister, and my mother is racist so would you be satisfied
>with my 8 year old brother and my pet rabbit? I'm sorry, that is all the
>ritual sacrifice I can give to the ZamGod who is going to save Malaysia.
>
>I regret not having copies of the original charming letter so that
>everyone can sample Zam's articulate and poetic style and not my own
>feeble paraphrases. Net problem. Oh well.
>
>
>SU-LYN SEAH '94  K'91
>BOX 109 BROWN UNIVERSITY
>PROVIDENCE RI 02912
>
>3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078
>164062821480865132823066470938446095 AND A PARTRIDGE IN A PEAR TREE!

It is rather sad to have people like this in Malaysia. He claims that he is
educated. His view on most of the issues clearly tells us that he is
guy fill with complexity and contradiction. He claims that he is caring for
the future of Malaysia by supporting uncontrol logging, and playing with
racial sentiment. The use of "foul" language also clearly indicates that
he must be under extreme pressure. He claims that he speak good BM. After
reading your BM, I think maybe it is time for him to stop criticizing others
BM. ( Adalah lebih baik kalau saudara Zam balik ke Malaysia dan belajar
BM and civic sekali lagi. Jaga cuba mengajar orang lain kalau saudara tidak
boleh tulis dalam bahasa yang baik). I am just trying to recall and learn my
BM. Someone may want to correct it but not Zam, please.

Maybe it is time to take on him and debate on him so that he will not be
able to misled others. Luckily, I have many malay friends that are not like
him.
T-P Loh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darmawan  Ludirdja)
Subject: Re: East Timor Communist ? NOT!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:18:54 GMT

ST101019@brownvm.brown.edu writes:
......[deleted]...

>A teaser : The population of East Timor in 1975 was 688,000. Today,
>it is 450,000. Where do you think the rest of them went? And no,
>the answer is NOT migration. Think guns, torture and detention.
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

How do you know there is NOT a migration???????


Darmawan
dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Subject: Re: A paradox?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:26:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.174051.682@wuecl.wustl.edu> rtt1@cec1.wustl.edu (Rajan T Thampi) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.234009.21417@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>>
>>	Do you know why people like Adolf Hitler exist?  Precisely
>>because there is a need to get rid of people like you from the face of
>>this earth.
>>
>
>	By the statement above, are you implying that what Hitler did to the 
>Jews and other races which I can't think of their names right now, is right? 


	Of course not.  Only a demented person would adhere to the
Hitler's causes...

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Subject: Re: Important:PLEASE read.
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 18:11:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.200258.54398@cc.usu.edu> fajack@cc.usu.edu writes:
>In article <73635@netnews.upenn.edu>, choo@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (TOM HOO CHUIN HOONG) writes:
>> Dear fellow Malaysians,
>
> [some stuff deleted]
>
>> 
>> 	We should stop replying to people like Zam because he does not seem to
>> understand the basic manners of discussion in the network. Because of their
>> behavior, much  unnecessary enery and anger have been unleashed among members
>> of the network when all these energy should have been channeled into discussing
>> all sides of the issues.
>> 
>> 	I love Malaysia and I am not deterred by words that say I am loyal
>> to other countries like SIngapore, China.Of course I will be hurt when someone
>> calls me unpatriotic, or that I should leave Malaysia, or that I should give my
>> mum, sister to someone else....BUT WHAT IS THE POINT OF TALKING TO SENSELESS
>> PEOPLE WHO HAVE PROVEN AGAIN AND AGAIN THAT THEY ARE INSENSITIVE TO OTHER PEOPLE' FEELINGS AND HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THEM?
>> 
>> 	Please, Boycott people like Zam. They will only create trouble when
>> there is none. These people are flame-starters that will jeopardize the 
>> relationship among races. We should work together to solve the problems among
>> us, not insult each other's identity.
>> 
>> 	BOYCOTT THEM NOW!
>> TOM
>
>	I share your sentiment about the boycott.  But on the other hand,
>Zam is the only one who is providing most of the "entertainment" in this net.
>Let face it, you will think species like that will be spending its time
>rolling in the mud with other swine instead of attending MIT. (I wonder
>should the admission officer be sued for neglience ?)

	This poor, snivelling geek, yammering out his
brain-damage-induced hatred for five lines, absolutely convinced that
his words were so important that everyone (anyone) would read them --
what a pathetic sight.  We've gone well beyond the "get a life" stage
here.  It's time for euthanasia.

	Get lost, you geeky chink

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
From: fitch@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Chris the wonder Scout)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Scouts and scouting in Asia
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:02:38 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

Dear sir or ma'am,
My name is Chris Fitch.  I am a 21 year old history major at Colorado State
University in the United States.  I am a Boy Scout leader and am trying to teach my Scouts about the world they live in.

I hate to impose on you, and I appreciate any help you could give me.  I need
an address for the Scout Associations in Indonesia, Brunei, Singapore, Vietnam
(defunct but I could use some information), Kampuchea, Laos, Burma (all 3 
defunct but same applies), Thailand, Bhutan, Nepal, Mongolia, Sri Lanka,
Maldives, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Oman, Yemen, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain,'Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, and any of the
ex-Soviet Central Asian Republics, or for any Scout or leader you may know who
could help me in my endeavor.

I appreciate your time and assistance, and apologize for the imposition.
Chris Fitch
From: u3169709@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Numero Uno)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Asean from an antropological view
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:02:13 GMT

This topic has potential:

>u3169709@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Numero Uno) writes:
>> What I want to know is this:  Just how do they control that natural
>> bodily urge (read sex)?  Lots of exercises and cold showers?
>
>Well, Numero Uno, as you probably know, there are ways for girls to
>satisfy their bodily urges without actually having sex.  Lots of ways.

Ahh, but you know very well I was only teasing.  I just love to tease
them puritians, which is why I think you should have posted your reply
especially your anecdote (I had a good laugh).  I was hoping for some
postings of stories like yours.

	[ amusing story deleted to protect the innocent ]

>Many women, especially from repressive socities, will not *admit* to
>having physical desires, because "good girls don't think that way".
>But still, most have them, and if there is no "normal" way to relieve
>them, sometimes they discover things like this girl did.  I don't know
>if this is good or bad.

Yeah, show them a condom and they'll (1) giggle for hours, (2) pretend
to be very angry, (3) ignore you, (4) anything but a frank and open
discussion.  The point is that they'll do it, but you can't get them
to talk about it.

I think it's simply awful having to suppress your emotions.  I think
people should be encouraged to speak her mind and to show her feelings.
But, noooo, t'is not the Oriental way - this is bad manners at best and
being tarty at worst.  To quote someone in s.c.asean, "It's incompatible
with the Asian culture."

>I would be happy to talk about this more if you want.  I was once
>curious about the same question you asked.

I am curious, not in the perverted sense that many readers would assume,
e.g. Janet Heng, but the kind of curiousity that would drive an
Antropologist to the jungles of New Guinea.

-Num, Singaporean watcher.

ps.  I have posted your reply (except the naughty part) to s.c.asean
to solicitate more responses.  Hope you don't mind.
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From: rtt1@cec1.wustl.edu (Rajan T Thampi)
Subject: Re: A paradox?
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:40:51 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.234009.21417@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>
>	Do you know why people like Adolf Hitler exist?  Precisely
>because there is a need to get rid of people like you from the face of
>this earth.
>

	By the statement above, are you implying that what Hitler did to the 
Jews and other races which I can't think of their names right now, is right? 

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Rajan T Thampi --> Internet: rtt1@cec1.wustl.edu | Ngap Sayot! Land of the 
Lycoming College (Physics), Williamsport, PA.    | 	Hornbills.  
Washington University in St. Louis (EE),         | Liverpool F.C   
School of Engineering & Applied Science.         |   - the mighty reds forever!
N A M A S K A R A M  T O  O N E  A N D  A L L !  | Missing Bharat... :-(   
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From: C557361@umcvmb.missouri.edu (Chang TeChi)
Subject: Re: To all you weenies....
Organization: University of Missouri, Columbia
Date: 6 Apr 1992 23:14:51 CDT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
:
: 	To all you people who are taken in by the propaganda of
: certain Western countries regarding our logging, my reply to you is:
: go fuck yourself.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Tsk! Tsk! Tsk! Should go and wash your mouth with soap, my boy.
It ain't nice to talk to people on the net using such foul language.


Chang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Hereditary rulers and Malaysian Chinese
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:28:29 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <92101.143753ASCKN@ASUACAD.BITNET> C. K. Ng <ASCKN@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:

>It's my honest opinion that the intent
>to use the hereditary rulers to check Dr. M's stepping over his permitted
>bounds is not a wise move at all.  Such watch-dog function should be done
>by the opposition parties, be it be DAP, PAS, or the 46ers, in the elected
>Dewan Rakyat.

There is just one problem in using the opposition as political 
"watch-dogs" - ISA.  Dr. Chandra Muzzafar, a leader of the Aliran
watch-dog party was jailed without trial for doing just that.  He
does not even seek political power - the Aliran does not stand 
in elections, they merely "observe" the politicians and make comments.
I can see no justification for jailing this person.  I agree that
watch-dog function should be carried out by the opposition but
the problem is the opposition does not get a chance to do so.  In
fact, even non-opposition parties do not get a chance to just that.
BTW, Aliran is not the only party that has come under govt. attack.
CAP (Consumer Association of Penang) and SAM (Sahabat Alam Malaysia)
has been harrased by the govt because they are suspected of being
"anti-govt".

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From: marcos@pdx047 (Marcos O. Camargo)
Subject: An Agricultural Institute in China/Korea/Japan
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 22:53:01 GMT

I am looking for the email or regular address of an Agricultural Institute
in China/Korea/Japan.  I am interested in peach varieties that are native to
these countries.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.



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From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: To all you weenies....
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:28:31 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr14.153224.54466@cc.usu.edu> fajack@cc.usu.edu writes:
>
>>>zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>>>
>
>> 	That will change in the next few years... trust me!!
>                                                  ^^^^^^^^^
>	You are asking a lot from us !!

	Is that too much for your little brain to take?  I am sorry, I
take it back.  

>> 	I am a proponent of the Islamic Law in Kelantan, and I support
>> its implementation for every single living person in kelantan
>                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> regardless of races.  There goes your argument, down the toilet!!
>> 	
>	You are proponent of Islamic law because you know it won't 
>affect you, afterall we all know you don't belong to the humand race.

	You are the one without a single moral fiber in your bones;
that is why you are afraid that the implementation of the Islamic Laws
will affect your "social" activities.  Pimping your mom and sisters is
a serious offense in Islam, and you would not want to be caught, would
you?

>> Eat shit you self-appointed wannabe know-nothing ass-licking
>> dick-breath  cocksucking net-cop motherfucker...
>> 
>	Just when you think it is safe to read the net, here comes
>more unprintables from the always eloquent ZAM.  You know, when all of us
>encourage you to step out of MIT to explore Boston, we really don't mean 
>to urge you to visit the "Combat Zone".  Judging from the improvment of
>your vocabulary, I can see that you've been there more often than we 
>thought.

	Get lost, you anal-retentive idiot.  


>> p/s: Sorry for those who are offended by some statements in this
>> article.  The posting by the anonymous person above is invariably
>                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>> bellicose, hate-spreading, and above all, blatantly false. National
>> Enquirer probably carries more truth than this person's posting.
>> 
>	Aren't you refering yourself in here ?

	
	Your overwhelming stupidity amazes me.  I thought I have seen
just about everything, but you top yourself everytime you open your
mouth.  Please engage your brain for future activities.

Thank you.

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
From: v999s3bz@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu (---roach---)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: roach's lame excuse
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:20:00 GMT
Organization: ---Roach Motel---
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <70438@ut-emx.uucp>, omega@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (OhMeGa) writes...
> 
>Aristotle and his whole gink gangs believed in the earth being the center
>of the universe, that didn't stop Galelio from investigating the truth
>did it ? Trivially, converse is also true.
> 
you d_ck (hint: word isn't duck), why should Galelio stop from
investigating the truth?  It is because of aristotle's belief
that warranted further investigation (hypothetically speaking).
> 
>Interesting conclusion, those who think differently than you do is
>a moron. Now, atleast I was honest to come right out to call YOU
>a pile of SH*T, don't get offended, I am ONLY being HONEST. Look into
>a mirror for proof.> 
thank you.
hahahahahahaha, boy my face is kinda funny hahahahahaha.

>You know, may be if you construct your version of reality in a machine,
>it too will crash. 
> 
hey, life's short!
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