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From: thart@cix.compulink.co.uk (Toby Hart Dyke)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP for the ST and LAN Server
Reply-To: thart@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 14:14:00 +0000


In article <1992Dec30.175909.2268@zooid.guild.org>, kovarski@zooid.guild.org (-
Mark Kovarski) writes:
>
>Has anyone out here experiemented with TCP/IP for the Atari ST. I remember
>seeing a file on a german FTP site that was called, I believe, TCP_IP.LZH.
>How does it implement TCP/IP? Is it done via the RS-232 port? What I want
>to eventually do is to network my PCs with the Atari that I have.

You can use a version of the KA9Q package, of which there are several for
both the ST and the PC.  You can specify the interface you wish to use,
which would usually be the serial port.

There is a new version at atari.archive.umich.edu in the telecomm directory
called n890421.lzh, though there are others as well. As for PC versions,
there are loads!  You can definitely find one at ftp.demon.co.uk .


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From: rchan@terapin.com (Ronald Chan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Compress.ARC
Date: 1 Jan 93 05:42:56 GMT
Organization: BBS

Well, people... I just downloaded compress.arc like everyone suggested.  I am
having problems getting it to run.

The program itself had a .prg extender, so I just run it... it just "hung." 
Then I renamed it to compres.ttp and passed "filename.ext" to it like it said
in the instructions.  It gave back "filename.ext.Z already exists; Not
overwritten." and just "hung" again.  Then I chopped off the extender and
passed just "filename" and no messages... just hung there.  I assume it crashed
since the file was only 900 bytes, and I could not even get a keyclick... a
sure sign of a crash.

Then I thought it might be NeoDesk and went back to regular desktop.  Same
thing happened.

Then I chucked the GEM altogether and tried a CLI (PCommand.prg) and typed the
command "compress filename.ext" and the same thing happened.

Is this an old version?  Should I be getting compress LZH or ZOO?


|| Ronald Chan [rchan@terapin.com]
|| A Pocket Knight  *-{-----------
From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (steve wells)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: More about the Falcon
Date: 21 Dec 1992 19:10:04 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Are you impling that the Falcon cant sample at 48 Khz? Or at standard CD
rate (44.7 I think)?  That's bad. What if you want to edit DAT tapes at
--

If the software supports it, it will handle anything from about 5Khz, to
50Khz, 8-bit, or 16-bit sampling!

(50Khz, 16-bit samples sound PRETTY good, use this Falcon 'Dolby' effect,
it sound better than pretty much anything else available!)  Unfortunately
it also gets pretty large!  (1meg every 20sec's of sampling, or probably
more....)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: paetau@mits.mdata.fi (Rasmus Paetau)
Subject: Re: Command Line Interpreters
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 21:23:57 GMT

In article <1hgspiINNmfi@golem.wcc.govt.nz> wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>Dunno about easy to use.  
>
>> 2) Supports batch files
>> 3) Supports environment variables
>> 4) Has an efficient command set
>
>Everyone seems to like this UNiX thing.  (Pointless really, buy a 
>WIMPS machine, then immediately stuff UNix onto it, and use it as default
>but....)
>
>So, since you obviously don't want to use the Atari as such, why not buy
>a UNix Machine??  (GEM programs don't usually work too well from CLI, 
>unless GEM is booted first, and then they have been known to complain,
>although, not much 8-)

No, that's not at all how it is.. I just want to use the CLI as a
shell in a BBS system, and PCOMMAND that is there now isn't my idea of
a great CLI. So I _DON'T_ want to use my atari any other way than it
is, it's not even my machine I want the shell for..

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> |  o     I wouldn't have time to eat it.    Zaphod B.     |       ||| TARI  |
> | \_/    Steve Wells - Wellington, New Zealand.           |      / | \      |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon030, resolutions, TRUE color, and DSP
From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (steve wells)
Date: 23 Dec 1992 00:20:29 GMT
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
 <1h2r5bINNqv5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu><1992Dec21.013725.5791@cc.umontreal.ca>,<72179@cup.portal.com>
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
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All computers have to start somewhere, when the MS-Doze machines were
released, just about all that was available for them, was the nice slow
Operating System (PC-DOS or something similar it was called back then).
and a couple of spread-sheets etc.

The Falcon is basically a new-beginning for Atari, and there is already
a lot of software currently available that will work okay on the Falcon.
(A lot won't, but that's the price you pay for advancement).  

*If* the thing takes off, you can bet your a** that people *will* write
software for the thing!

Comparing computers is a pointless waste of time, people will buy the
computer which has the features that *they* are most interested in, or which
will be of most use to them.  


As someone so well stated previously, they are only computers anyway, it's
not as if they were relations, or (as said) a religion!).  Jset seen /thread

Just lumps of plastic, metal and silicon.  


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 | O O    If I told you how much I needed this,            |       |||       |
 |  o     I wouldn't have time to eat it.    Zaphod B.     |       ||| TARI  |
 | \_/    Steve Wells - Wellington, New Zealand.           |      / | \      |
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From: mppi76@cd4680fs.rrze.uni-erlangen.de (Harald Schoenfeld)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon
Date: 2 Jan 1993 15:24:06 +0100
Organization: Regionales Rechenzentrum Erlangen
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mppi76@cd4680fs.rrze.uni-erlangen.de (Harald Schoenfeld) writes:
>You don't have TT-low and TT-high on the Falcon 030.

Oh, sorry you have TT-low. I tried it yesterday...
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From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: What makes a computer "exciting"..?
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 23:13:26 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <72180@cup.portal.com> <1992Dec22.125539.4044@cc.umontreal.ca>

>>Wow, a 386 clone is about as exciting as watching re-runs of "Designing Wom
>Tell me about yesterday's technology while you're at it...

     3 lessons to be learned...

     1. A processor is not the only thing that makes a good computer.
     2. A 486/66Mhz does'nt necessarily mean 'loads of fun'
     3. Yesterdays technology was only 24 hours ago. :-) 

Very good points..!

Ok..  for a somewhat different discussion.. what exactly is it that
makes a computer "exciting"..?

Pattie Rayl doesn't like PCs because of the way they look. She
likes the looks of the Mac, so I guess that for her, the physical
appearance of a computer would be what is "exciting"..

A lot of people like to compare specifications.. is a 32 bit bus
better or worse than a 16 bit bus running with a CPU that can
implement "look ahead" caching..  in that respect, the internal
aspects of a computer are what are "exciting"..
 
Others are excited by what the computer can actually do in
"real world" applications..

The Falcon is "exciting" because it combines a lot of features
that are either "leading edge" or have the potential for unusual
applications.

A VAXcluster might even be "exciting" for some people because of the
idea of multitasking a lot of processes and the system resources associated
with a large system.
 
To me, a '386 clone IS exciting, because I can use it to play
Red Baron on the Sierra Network and shoot down (or get shot down
by) friends from all over the country, something that can't
be done with any other kind of computer at the moment.
 
So, what is it that makes a computer "exciting"...?

BobR
From: sam_s@NeXT.com (Sam Streeper)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Game Workbench, Dave B and other things...
Date: 30 Dec 92 21:15:40 GMT
Reply-To: sam_s@NeXT.com


An observation:  Game Workbench sounds great.  I would love to have it on my PC  
or my NeXT.  A few years back I would have loved to have it on my ST.  I would  
argue that the Atari is a great place to pick up programming experience in  
graphics and small operating systems; most of the great Atari programmers have  
been able to use their skills as a basis for lucrative jobs on other platforms.   
It's also a comparatively painless marketplace to learn nasty business lessons;  
sure you've wasted your time (haven't we all...) but you're wiser and I doubt  
you're several hundred thousand dollars in debt, which is the cost of failure  
in marketplaces with higher expectations.

I'm sure your experience in graphics, engines, and object libraries will serve  
you well.  Perhaps GW-PC?  GW-Genesis?  Perhaps another product entirely, but  
the important thing is to pick up the pieces and take advantage of your  
experience.

I just remembered a great quote from Sam Kinnison (rest his soul):
"Of course you're starving, you live in a $#@*&% desert! Move to 
 where the food is!"

-sam

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: root@uunet!scarrow (Superuser)
Subject: Re: Second floppy on Falcon
Organization: TCI
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 05:35:38 GMT

Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes: <72073@cup.portal.com>
>j> WHAT??? NO EXTERNAL FLOPPY????
>>Why not connect a Floptical to the SCSI-2 port? Try this on the Amiga 1200..
>
>How about $300 as a reason..?
>

While I don't have a schematic for the Falcon, I assume it still uses a Floppy
Controller Chip and still has the Yamaha chip. If this is the case, is there
reason a person couldn't just daisy chain one in to the 34 pin cable that goes
to the internal floppy drive?

Even if they didn't run the trace from the Yamaha for DS1 (vs. DS0), you could
always run one with a wire.

I am assuming that they didn't pull the same trick they did with the XL/XE
(concerning Joystick ports 3 & 4 and that "extra" 16K of RAM). The XBIOS and
thus GEM probably would still support it just fine, and if it don't, it's in
RAM on the Falcon (loaded in from Disk), so thats no problem.

Next subject: The LAN connector.

Does anybody know how to put Ether-Net on a Falcon? (So it can be connected
to my Unix Box?) I've never heard of "Local-Talk" before, and I don't own a
Mac.
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From: mlake@irscscm.UUCP (Marshall Lake)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: BlackMail for Falcon030
Date: 29 Dec 92 17:44:03 GMT
Reply-To: mlake@irscscm.UUCP (Marshall Lake)
Organization: Internal Revenue Service, Washington, DC

Anyone interested can get information concerning BlackMail, a Voice
Mail System for the Atari Falcon030 by sending email to info@doa.com


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: ilaskey@cix.compulink.co.uk (Iain Laskey)
Subject: Re: Lynx games
Reply-To: ilaskey@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 12:56:00 +0000

>to put this message.  I suspect that I might be getting a Lynx for
>Christmas (although it could be a Nintendo Gameboy, too...  Hmmmmm), and
>am interested in opinions on which games are "must-gets", which suck,
I'd recommend Toki, Klax, Blue Lightning and Gates of Zendocon. 

IMHO, steer clear of Electrocop and Guantlet 3. 

There are many more cartridges available than most shops tend to carry.
I find mail order (in the UK) is the best way to buy. The carts are a
lot cheaper in the US now I believe. I wish the UK prices would drop
to the same levels. Some games cost as much as #35UKP with cheapest
being #20UKP.

I believe there are some files available for FTP with cart reviews
and other info. I'm not sure where from.

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   I don't want to start any blasphemous rumours,                    
   But I think that God's got a sick sense of humour - ML Gore
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   ilaskey@cix.compulink.co.uk | Iain R Laskey | Atari ST & Unix user
From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (steve wells)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon030, resolutions, TRUE color, and DSP
Date: 21 Dec 1992 06:04:30 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

> Ed, I can buy a 386 DX 25 MHz clone with an 85 meg HD, 8 expansion slots,
> a 3.5" 1.4 meg drive, a 5.25" 1.2 meg drive, and a SVGA monitor for
> $799.
> 

Please, tell us where, the best I've seen for that sort of config' is
about $1400!


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 | O O    If I told you how much I needed this,            |       |||       |
 |  o     I wouldn't have time to eat it.    Zaphod B.     |       ||| TARI  |
 | \_/    Steve Wells - Wellington, New Zealand.           |      / | \      |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon030 -- Truth not Fiction
From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (steve wells)
Date: 23 Dec 1992 00:14:36 GMT
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Yeah right anyone is going to answer all those questions!

Just sound like another non-Falcon supporter.

(As for the bits about making things faster, it's pretty obvious, they
have the ability to make things better, faster, cheaper, and smaller these
days, so everyone is doing so!  You'd be pretty stupid not to if you
could!)

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 |  o     I wouldn't have time to eat it.    Zaphod B.     |       ||| TARI  |
 | \_/    Steve Wells - Wellington, New Zealand.           |      / | \      |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: martini@heaven7.in-berlin.de (Martin P. Ibert)
Subject: Re: The Path of True Enlightenment (was Re: Piracy of software)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:38:48 GMT
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dmb@case.ai.mit.edu (David Baggett) writes:
> In article <11420@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> warwick@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
> >Piracy is the problem.  But it isn't a problem with the users - the
> >problem isn't "People are too dishonest".  The problem is "Software
> >is easy to copy".  You'll not easily change either of these factors.
> Unfortunately, however, you stray from the True Path of Enlightenment
> here, and begin espousing the virtues of pagan gods and false prophets!

Holy SHIT could it be this doesn't make ANY sense at ALL?

I know no major software vendor could have survived without software piracy,
and you know it too ... so come off it, already.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: tries@obelix.kph.uni-mainz.de (Volker Tries)
Subject: Re: ICD Host Adapter
Organization: Institut fuer Kernphysik, Uni Mainz
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 14:06:41 GMT


In article <3_800_842_fidonet2b317272@Kralizec.fido.zeta.org.au> you write:
>Original to: andrew@minster.york.ac.uk
>In a message of <10 Dec 92 10:20:18>, andrew@minster.york.ac.uk (3:713/602)
>writes:
>
> a> I have an ICD host adapter and I'm trying to format a Quantum 105S.
> a> However, I don't have the correct configuration file for this drive, my
> a> formatting software (from ICD) only has Quantum 80S.  The software is
> a> about 4 years old!  Does anyone have any suggestions for formatting this
> a> drive.  I keep getting Sense Code 38 at the moment.
>
>Get new software!  - you don't need to know what it is - to format a scsi
>device you just tell it to format itself.  The ICD s/w you have is obviously
>_dangerously_ old.
>
> a> -Andrew Hague
>
>btw new ICD s/w is free.
>\`miff`                                                       /|\
>
 Where can I get the new ICD Software?

Thanx    Volker

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TRIES@OBELIX.KPH.UNI-MAINZ.DE
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From: maze@cs.tu-berlin.de (Michael Zuhl)
Subject: Re: the "real" Gemulator 2.0 featu
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:52:08 GMT

volker@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de ( Volker A. Brandt ) writes:

> In article <A54526@MS.maus.de> Julian_Reschke@ms.maus.de (Julian Reschke) writes:
> >Darek Mihocka (darekm@microsoft.com) wrote:
> >>... in the case of
> >>ST Magazin, got a total idiot to do the review which ended up being full of
> >>incorrect statements ...
> >
> >Speaking as one (other) freelance author for 'ST Magazin'
> 
> Well, Julian, in my personal biased one-sided opinion, YOU are the only one
> of ST-Magazin's authors who is NOT a complete idiot.  (Well, maybe Laurenz
> Pruessner on one of his better days :-)

This is not only your opinion!

	Michael

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From: dmb@case.ai.mit.edu (David Baggett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ATARI and US!
Date: 29 Dec 1992 08:07:03 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: case.ai.mit.edu

In article <afonseca.2y5x@terapin.com> afonseca@terapin.com (Alberto Fonseca) writes:
>Well I just wanted to say that instead of writing all these messages that seem
>to say "ATARI SUCKS", or anything close, we should be talking about the
>positive things that we have as ATARI users.  

What's wrong with doing both?   Why should we pretend that Atari is
doing fine?  Why should we allow more people to be deluded?  Why should
we alloe Atari to get away with murder?

>And for
>those of you who have become frustrated with ATARI, and have moved on to other
>platforms should just stop posting in this group and post in the group of your
>own computer.  I think we need to get rid of all of this negativity towards our
>computers and our computer company.  

As long as there are people here with this fascist notion, I'll NEVER
stop posting the truth about Atari here.  It is exactly when people
start painting a ridiculous rosy picture -- trying to rewrite history
and suck more suckers into a losing market -- that "those of us who
have become frustrated with Atari" feel compelled to inject some
sobering reality into the newsgroup.  Sorry, but it's a free net.
I will NOT censor myself just because YOU can't stand to read bad
things about your company/computer/religion/etc.

>I read a message by someone who said that
>ATARI Corp has an advantage over the other platforms, which is its users
>loyalty.  I think we need to keep this loyalty intact, and even increase it if
>we are to have what we want.  

No, what you NEED to do is stop tolerating CRAP from Atari, thereby
forcing them to shape up or, as the the saying goes, ship out.

>Of course we all want something more from our
>computers, and I'm sure that this newsgroup will help you to find whatever you
>need in terms of information about what you can do to improve your system.

Right, and some of us who have strayed from the Rightous Atari Way have
contributed a lot of the help, information and software you refer to
here.

>So the bottom line is:  GO ATARI!

I would LOVE to see Atari thrive again.  If they could turn it all
around (e.g., by selling the company to competent management), I'd be
their biggest fan again.

Dave Baggett
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From: mppi76@cd4680fs.rrze.uni-erlangen.de (Harald Schoenfeld)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: Falcon compatibility
Date: 2 Jan 1993 15:19:04 +0100
Organization: Regionales Rechenzentrum Erlangen
NNTP-Posting-Host: cd4680fs.rrze.uni-erlangen.de

treno@dist.dist.unige.it (Bertucci R. ) writes:

>Hi,
>Is there anyone who can e-mail me a list of ST-Software that
>can run on Falcon030?

Oh, this list would be very long :-)

To be seriuos: Many games have problems, but applications that work on
the TT will shurely work on the FALCON, too. And some that don't work
on the TT work on the FALCON, too. 
-- 
Harald Schoenfeld (hs@cnve.rrze.uni-erlangen.dbp.de)

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