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From: landman@hal.COM (Howard Landman)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: Cubensis
Date: 11 Jan 93 06:56:22 GMT
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>In article <1993Jan5.233617.12010@trl.oz.au> s.mathers@trl.oz.au writes:
>>There is a species which grows here called
>>Psylocibe Subaerignosa (spell?) which is related to Cubensis,

In article <1iin1cINN9fd@bang.hal.COM> landman@hal.COM (Howard Landman) writes:
>Maybe you mean Psilocybe Subaeruginosa?  I've heard of this, I'll have to
>check my reference materials.

OK, here's what I've got.  Unless you really wanted Panaeolus subbalteatus,
I don't know where the "sub" prefix came from.  However ...

"Aeruginosus" means "covered with verdigris", according to Cooper, A Guide
to British Psilocybin Mushrooms, 2nd Ed., Hassle Free Press, London? 1978.
Verdigris is the green or greenish-blue coating that forms like rust
on brass, bronze, or copper. "In this country [Britain], Stropharia aeruginosa,
a mushroom carrying a 3" flattened-convex, blue-green cap and Stropharia
semiglobata, which is ..., may be commonly found in the late summer and autumn.
These, along with ... are believed by many authorities to be active.  At
present I can find no conclusive evidence, but expect that they will only have
a slight effect when growing in this country."

Stamets, Psilocybe Mushrooms and their Allies, Homestead Book Co, Seattle WA
1978, p.106 (description) and p.50 fig.31 (photo) talk about Stropharia
aeruginosus.  "Caution is definitely recommended for all the members of this
group."  This is because they are hard to identify correctly.  This is the best
source I have for this species.  The picture is large and clear.

There are a few references to Gymnopilus aeruginosus in the literature, for
example Ott & Bigwood, Teonanacatl, Madrona Publishers, Seattle, 1978 p.88
"Psilocybin has also been found in G. aeruginosus (Peck) Singer, but not in
15 other Gymnopilus species, including  8 collections of spectabilis (20).
However, unidentified indoles have been detected in G. spectabilis (4)."
The indicated references are:
4.  Anon., The Turn On Book: The Synthesis and Extractions of Organic
    Psychedelics. Sacred Mushroom Press, Gamble Gulch, CO 1969
20. Oss & Oeric, Psilocybin: Magic Mushroom Grower's Guide.  And/Or Press,
    Berkeley, CA 1976

I've got Oss & Oeric on my bookshelf.  Yes, the 1976 edition.  As far as I can
tell, neither the genus Gymnopilus nor the species G. aeruginosa or spectabilis
appear anywhere in it.  So this footnote (20) appears to be totally bogus.
Perhaps it's just a typo.  I was somewhat surprised because otherwise
Teonanacatl seems fairly well-researched and -written.

At least 8 other books on psychedelic mushrooms make no mention of this
species at all.

Overall, this doesn't look like a species I would feel comfortable with.  It's
hard to identify, only sparsely analyzed in the literature, and there are
conflicting opinions about its psychoactivity and toxicity.  Sounds like
Russian Roulette to me.  Why bother, unless you're doing research?

	Howard A. Landman
	landman@hal.com
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From: farif@halcyon.com (David John Kunz)
Subject: Re: Cubensis
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:00:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.233617.12010@trl.oz.au> s.mathers@trl.oz.au writes:
>Anyone know about or seen a report on harmful substances in
>Cubensis mushrooms?  There is a species which grows here called
>Psylocibe Subaerignosa (spell?) which is related to Cubensis,
>so I figure if nobody knows anything about the later, they
>will have a better chance of knowing something about the        
>former (Americans in particular).
>
>Thanks.

Sorry I don't know anything much specifically about P. subaeruginosa (my
*guess* as to a more likely spelling), but just because two mushroom
species are related doesn't mean they contain the same compounds, or
that even if one is safe that a relative will be safe.  I keep harping
on about the Amanitas, I know... but some of them are edible and tasty,
others quite deadly; and they're related to one another by genus.

Not all Psilocybes are psychoactive.  And the Psilocybes are one of a
few genera that really have fuzzy sort of borders between them.
Psilocybe cubensis, for instance, used to be classified under the genus
Stropharia.  Some of the Psilocybe relatives are really poisonous.  Not
to mention some superficial look-alikes, but I've said enough about
*that* I suppose.. :)

I'd just advise that you not apply info about one species to some other
species.  If there's a mycological society in your area I'd suggest
contacting it.
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From: mathers@sibelius.trl.OZ.AU (Steven Mathers)
Subject: Cubensis
Reply-To: s.mathers@trl.oz.au
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:36:17 GMT

Anyone know about or seen a report on harmful substances in
Cubensis mushrooms?  There is a species which grows here called
Psylocibe Subaerignosa (spell?) which is related to Cubensis,
so I figure if nobody knows anything about the later, they
will have a better chance of knowing something about the        
former (Americans in particular).

Thanks.
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From: mch6@ellis.uchicago.edu (Huitzilopochtli)
Subject: Re: Current InHome pricing?
Reply-To: mch6@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:27:00 GMT


Concerning the availability of smart-drugs (esp. Piracetam, Vasopressin, and Hydergine), what are the most succesful importers, their adresses, prices and any other related information.  I have seen many conflicting posts on these subjects, and would love to see one from people with first hand experience.

	Also, if anyone has experimented primarily with Ginko and DMAE-H3 or other, currently available over-the-counter smart drug-like substances, I would appreciate hearing about their experiences with dosage abd synergistic effects of these with Vitamin B sources.

	The third and final request is for anyone who has tried to do some OBJECTIVE experimentation with smart drugs.  What are the controls that can be used to show the efficiency/effect of the smart-drugs

These are all questions of a friend who would like to A) find some smart drugs and B) do some work with them in a low-scale personal experiment.  If I get a fair repsonse to this, and there is sufficient interest (yes even if only one person cares, that is still sufficient) then I can post his results at a later time.

Thanks in advance.
From: williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: Aphrodisiacs (Was Re: question: )
Date: 11 Jan 1993 04:29:34 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
Reply-To: williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums)
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In article <1993Jan10.222120.8713@trl.oz.au> s.mathers@trl.oz.au writes:
>|> 	Fact 2 -- Incidence of lung cancer for tobabacco smokers is *lower*
>|> among those who also smoke *pot*.
>
>Judging from the slant of your post, I presume you mean this the other
>way around.
---
	I mean it *exactly* the way I said it.  Among those who smoke
tobacco, those who smoke pot are protected somewhat by the pot with a lower
incidence of lung cancer.


>|> 	Fact 3 -- a Study was done of those who had lifetime pot smoking
>|> habits in Jamaica.  No increase of lung cancer was found.
>
>This, to me, would be the only significant statistic you have quoted.
>How large was the sample.  Is this a bonefide test, or did you
>just hear about it from a friend of a friend? 
>Another question.  'No increase in lung cancer was found.'  Do you mean
>increase over non-smokers, or increase over tobacco smokers?i
---
	This is documented in "The Emperor Wears no Clothes" a book by
Jack Herer, I believe.  It was no increase over non-smokers.  There is
quite a large population of ganja smokers in Jamaica.

>|> 	Anyway, the evidence so far is that not only does marijuana smoking
>|> not cause cancer, but may actually lessen its occurance in some cases!
>|> 
>
>Breathing particles of anything into your lungs on a regular basis just
>has to be bad for you, regardless of how much fun it is.
---
	??? Says who?  Can you document this?  Do you have a shred of proof
for this statement?  I can think of several examples to the contrary,
so your blanket statement is obviously ill-informed.  Nothing "just
has to be".  
--
1935 will go down in history.  For the first time, a civilized nation has
full gun registration.  Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient,
and the world will follow our lead into the future.
                         --Adolf Hitler
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From: rlglende@netcom.com (Robert Lewis Glendenning)
Subject: Re: Aphrodisiacs (Was Re: question: )
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 05:18:11 GMT

Fifteen or 20 years ago, there was a Science article which looked at the IQ
of Rastafarians after about 20 years of MJ use, and compared the scores to
those of high school (maybe college?).

No differences.  

Rastafarians smoke a LOT of dope, daily, for many years on end.  If that doesn't
lower IQ, casual use won't do much.

I was surprized.  I would think that constant CO, etc. pollutants would do more
to lower brain power by themselves?

Lew

-- 
Lew Glendenning		rlglende@netcom.com
"Perspective is worth 80 IQ points."	Nils Bohr (or somebody like that).
From: scotts@math.orst.edu (Scott Settlemier)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: mixing psychoactives
Date: 12 Jan 1993 11:17:05 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services - Oregon State University
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I'm curious what the effects may be of mixing psychoactives. Specifically,
what would happen if one took MDMA, psilocybin or LSD, and Indosol (? some
drug that frees one from much anxiety)? What about the ever present drug
alchohol? How does that mix with others?
Also, just how hard is it to produce these drugs? Are the forms that appear
on the street made by competent people or is it often full of possibly
dangerous impurities?


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From: bdd@onion.eng.hou.compaq.com (Bruce D. Davis)
Subject: Re: Aphrodisiacs (Was Re: question: )
Organization: Space Academy
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:37:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.215853.9865@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Joseph.V.Kelly.Jr@dartmouth.edu (Joseph V. Kelly Jr) writes:
>In article <jah.725821957@mits>
>jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:
>
>>    At least the dried female flowers of Cannabis sativa L. are reported to be
>> very effective when smoked.
>
>Except in the long term. Excessive use (eg: smoking a joint 3 or more
>days a week, for 1 or more years) results in a lower sperm count in
>males (which some may regard as a benefit -- but to quote the Meaning
>of Life ... ummm), not to mention the gradual inhibition of the sex
>drive (and most other drives) classified as "amotivational syndrome"
>aka the longterm stoopids.
>
>taken from a citation of a citation from some AMA study (recent... oooh
>1988!)
>
>demolition.joe@dartmouth.edu

Wrong! nearly everything you said above is W R O N G!!! (except maybe the 
lower sperm count, and i say 'who cares' when you've been voluntarily
sterlized?!?! vasectomy 15 years ago...)

taking each point separately:

"Excessive use":	what's the norml useage?!? (pun intended) 
			"excessive" for some people would be one toke!
			for another, 3 joints a day would be standard, as was
			the case for me during my college days...(there were
			many other drugs contending for neuronal access, but)
			
"gradual inhibition of the sex drive": this just ain't so! as jani said, MJ is
			a VERY definite aphrodisiac (it: "makes my dick so hard
			a cat couldn't scratch it!" :-)

"amotivational syndrome": this 'condition' is actually quite common, but MJ doesn't
			in and of itself cause such apathy. mj can deepen one's 
			feeling of "it ain't no big deal", and make you "want to"
			sit and listen to music for hours on end, but it doesn't
			'cause' this response! changes are pretty good the person
			afflicted with A/S would have found a way to become 
			amotivated without using mj at all!

from my experience mj doesn't *CAUSE* the longterm stoopids, if one is already
dim, mj certainly doesn't help! but in the case of norml folks with active mental
lives, mj is about the greatest gift God gave to man...

methinks the AMA is part of the WoD...

peace!
-
bruce (spin doktor)
From: williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: Aphrodisiacs (Was Re: question: )
Date: 8 Jan 1993 15:26:56 GMT
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In article <1993Jan7.222905.9445@trl.oz.au> s.mathers@trl.oz.au writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.051811.20325@netcom.com>, rlglende@netcom.com (Robert Lewis Glendenning) writes:
>Rastafarians smoke a LOT of dope, daily, for many years on end.  If that doesn't
>Yeah, but what about incidence of lung cancer.
---

	Fact 1 -- not one lung cancer case has ever been recorded by the CDC
(Center for Disease Control) here in the US.

	Fact 2 -- Incidence of lung cancer for tobabacco smokers is *lower*
among those who also smoke *pot*.

	Fact 3 -- a Study was done of those who had lifetime pot smoking
habits in Jamaica.  No increase of lung cancer was found.

	Speculative evidence:  While marijuana was found to cause lesions in
the lungs similar to cigarette smoking -- and these lesions, in cigarette
(tobacco) smoking were found to be pre-cursors to lung cancer, lung
cancer was not found to develop from the marijuana-caused lesions in
any case.  The reasons for this may involve both herbs.  Tobacco contains
radio-active isotopes that are known to be cancer causing.  This apparently
is an inherent part of the plant.  These isotopes do not occur in pot.
Second, pot is a bronchial tube dialator.  It was used as an asthma
treatment for many years in *smokable* form.  Friends of mine who have
asthma and also smoke also tell me it prevents, lessens or stops their
asthma attacks.  Anyway -- as a dialator, it opens lung passages *more*
and allows them to 'air out', not trapping particles in the lungs.

	Anyway, the evidence so far is that not only does marijuana smoking
not cause cancer, but may actually lessen its occurance in some cases!

-wat-
--
1935 will go down in history.  For the first time, a civilized nation has
full gun registration.  Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient,
and the world will follow our lead into the future.
                         --Adolf Hitler
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From: ebenami@igc.apc.org (Etan Ben-Ami)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Current Oregonian Mushrooms, also
Date: 5 Jan 93 01:15:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1519500011:000:1843
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!ebenami    Jan  4 17:15:00 1993


   A friend of a friend recently laid some of the current crop of
Oregonian chanterells (yeah, right!) on me.  Nice California gold
tops, purplish grey stems.  Very nice, indeed.  A friendly meal.
I would recommend them to anyone in search of a loving experience.

   Now for the question.  My girlfriend is recovering from a nerve
graft done approximately a year ago.  Her recovery is nearly complete,
bless it all, but she still takes 150 mg/day Elavil for pain suppression,
plus 20/mg day Prozac for depression, plus Percardia (spelling uncertain)
and Rellafin (spelling uncertain) for arthritic pain and suppression of
reflex sympathetic dystrophy.  --- Yeah, she had some heavy problems, but
they're getting much better.  Does anyone out there in psychoactive land
know what sort of prescription drugs should not be mixed with said
Oregonian treats.  Given the mix of prescription medication, particularly
the weirdness of Prozac combined with tricyclics, I am inclined to
recommend more healthy pastimes -- such as the smoking of medicinal
or sacramental herbs.  But this is merely a bit of prudence without
any special information.  It's not the sort of thing you can ask
your family doctor or neighborhood witch doctor about.

   Another interesting situation.  Said girlfriend seems to experience
no effect whatsoever from smoking marijuana and has in fact given up
on it.  Even before her medical situation brought on the load of
pharmaceuticals, she never got high off grass once.  Was considered
a curiosity by her friends, who would feed her copious quantities of
prime weed to their amazement and no avail.  Any information on this
phenomenon would be welcome.

   Well, it's getting hard to keep on typing .... must have overeaten
... the recommendation holds, along with the request for information.

          -- Etan Ben-Ami
From: hawleylm@apple.com (Lorin Hawley)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: Aphrodisiacs (Was Re: question:)
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:59:43 GMT
Followup-To: alt.psychoactives
Organization: Apple Computer

In article <jah.725821957@mits>, jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen)
wrote:
> 
> kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) writes:
> 
> >I always find that flowers work well.
> 
(deletions)

Korean ginseng, in any form. It really does work. Try it.



Lorin Hawley
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From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Vasopressin Synthesis?
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 14:46:23 GMT

In article <V5kswB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> dlupul@ersys.edmonton.ab.c
 (Darren Lupul) writes:
>In an attempt to thwart high prices, and difficulties in acquiring 
>prescriptions all the time, how feasible is it to synthesize Vasopressin
 
>While on the topic, how about the synthesis of Piracetam, Oxiracetam. I 
>guess for Hydergine you would be getting pretty close to LSD, so that 
>might not be wise with respect to legal risks.
>
>
>Darren Lupul              dlupul@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 


 If you can perform peptide synthesis, then I suppose you're all set as
far as vasopressin goes. Piracetam, etc. isn't too terrbily difficult.
Hydergine isn't so hard as actually making LSD. It's simply hydrogenated
ergot alkaloids (hence HYD/ERGine), although I'm not quite sure how this
isdone either...

St. Anthony

--
          / N \   O                   Mi vsi smo krizhani,
         |   \ |  || Ph               chlani izbrani
         |   | |_O-C-C-OH             mesarskega ceha...
BZ        \ / /      Ph                            aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: jesse@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Jesse Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: Aphrodisiacs (Was Re: question: )
Date: 12 Jan 93 03:43:53 GMT
Organization: Temple University
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: 	Fact 1 -- not one lung cancer case has ever been recorded by the CDC
: (Center for Disease Control) here in the US.


All a media hoax, huh? I thought that lung cancer thing was too weird to be
true....
:) Not a flame; just couldn't help myself... (:


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From: bsn@world.std.com (Brent S Noorda)
Subject: Re: LSD and MDMA - Where are they found
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:10:08 GMT

Etan Ben-Ami <ebenami@igc.apc.org> writes:


>Suggest you go the nearest rave / trance dance and ask someone 
>who's really tripping out if they've got any they can spare.

>I took my girlfriend to Sensorium in Brooklyn for New Year's ...
>After we got through the fifty foot unlit plastic tunnel and emerged
>into serious strobe lights & noise, I had some explaining to do
>regarding psychedelics and the habits of people who take them.
>-- Etan Ben-Ami

Rave/trance dance?  Do these things happen?  Where's the nearest
fifty-foot plastic tunnel to Boston?

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From: thinman@netcom.com (Technically Sweet)
Subject: Re: Leary, Manson, Kleps and other questions...
Organization: International Foundation for Internal Freedom
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:34:34 GMT

At this point it should be remembered that 

	1) Roman Polansky & Sharon Tate were the local Hollywood
	   start organizers for the Bobby Kennedy '68 presidential
	   campaign.

	2) Bobby Kennedy was shot several times from overhead by
	   a man who was in front of him.

	3) Psycho & satanic cults like Manson Family are marvelous 
	   fronts for intelligence operations because you can do 
	   absolutely anything and people will cluck their tongues 
	   and say, "Oh those satanists, what will they think of next".

	   Alistair Crowley worked for British Intelligence 
	   most of his life. - unsubstantianted rumor

-- 

Lance Norskog
thinman@netcom.com
Data is not information is not knowledge is not wisdom.
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: mathers@sibelius.trl.OZ.AU (Steven Mathers)
Subject: Re: Aphrodisiacs (Was Re: question: )
Reply-To: s.mathers@trl.oz.au
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:21:20 GMT

In article <lkr7a0INNiak@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums) writes:
|> >Rastafarians smoke a LOT of dope, daily, for many years on end.  If that doesn't
|> >Yeah, but what about incidence of lung cancer.
|> ---
|> 
|> 	Fact 1 -- not one lung cancer case has ever been recorded by the CDC
|> (Center for Disease Control) here in the US.

Doesn't prove anything one way or the other.

|> 
|> 	Fact 2 -- Incidence of lung cancer for tobabacco smokers is *lower*
|> among those who also smoke *pot*.

Judging from the slant of your post, I presume you mean this the other
way around.
I can believe this simply because if a MJ smoker smoked as much as a
your average cigarette smoker, he/she would be permanently stoned.
You smoke less -- you get less lung cancer.

|> 
|> 	Fact 3 -- a Study was done of those who had lifetime pot smoking
|> habits in Jamaica.  No increase of lung cancer was found.

This, to me, would be the only significant statistic you have quoted.
How large was the sample.  Is this a bonefide test, or did you
just hear about it from a friend of a friend? 
Another question.  'No increase in lung cancer was found.'  Do you mean
increase over non-smokers, or increase over tobacco smokers?

|> 	Anyway, the evidence so far is that not only does marijuana smoking
|> not cause cancer, but may actually lessen its occurance in some cases!
|> 

Breathing particles of anything into your lungs on a regular basis just
has to be bad for you, regardless of how much fun it is.
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