valdez is coming is a 1971 american western film starring burt lancaster , susan clark , richard jordan and jon cypher .

the film is based on the elmore leonard novel of the same name .

valdez is coming

he captures one of the rancher’s men and sends him back with the message “valdez is coming . ”
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richard jordan plays a tanner gunman who releases valdez from his cross and is then captured by valdez in turn .
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the town constable , bob valdez , is forced to kill someone accused by frank tanner of being a murderer . valdez asks tanner for monetary help for the man ' s wife , but he is ridiculed and almost killed by tanner ' s henchmen . valdez recovers and summons up his days in the u . s . cavalry in order to fight them . valdez wounds one of the henchmen and sends him back to tanner with the message ,
valdez is coming .
you ride to mr . tanner , all right ? tell him valdez is coming . you hear what i said ? valdez is coming .
he is two men . first , there was roberto valdez , born of mexican parents in the united states territory of arizona . he was an apache tracker and worked for a stagecoach company . then there is bob valdez , a part - time constable who wears a suit and knows his place . he will need to be both men when a pissing contest with a wealthy local escalates into a war .
roberto valdez returned ,
she said . he smile
elmore leonard’s valdez is coming is the second western i’ve read and the first real western , since i gather true grit is properly considered more of an anti - western , a self - conscious ( if appreciative ) tongue - in - cheek revision of western tropes rather than a sincere instance of them .
valdez , coming off a stint in thailand ' s commercial league , came away with 25 points , but creamline was weighed down by 46 points it gave away in terms of errors .
valdez is coming was director sherin’s first movie . he had previously worked as a director on broadway and apparently was burt lancaster’s choice . his direction is anonymous and the action scenes are disappointing ; they’re sudden and rather bloody , but lack intensity . there are some similarities to john sturges ' eastwood vehicle joe kidd ( also written by elmore leonard ) and andrew v . mclaglen’s the last hard men ( without any elmore leonard connection ) . valdez is coming is more compelling than joe kidd , and less violent than the last hard men .
they tore his body . they buried his pride . but they forgot his old uniform , his sharps rifle , and his buffalo gun . find tanner , el segundo , and the 16 others . and tell them valdez is coming .
one of the american westerns shot in spain in the early seventies . like most of these productions , valdez is coming appears to acknowledge the influence of the spaghetti western without showing much understanding for it . the result is a somewhat indistinct ( if highly enjoyable ) genre outing .
juan valdez cafe has opened its doors this morning and the gorgeous smell of colombian coffee is in the air .
there are two sides to valdez . one side is bob valdez , a respectable constable , business like in his approach to handle conflicts in town . this is a peaceful , calm and reasonable valdez , one who will talk and listen and reasonably work things out . then there’s roberto valdez . there’s a little bit of charles bronson and rambo in roberto valdez . his knowledge of battle tactics , weaponry and vigilantism might make these two green with envy . i also see a little of the hulk in roberto valdez . no , he
it turns out “only good ones” is in the collection of leonard’s stories i do have ( the tonto woman and other stories ) – thanks for the heads - up about its relationship to valdez is coming , as i hadn’t really intended to read the whole volume . ( i got it for “three - ten to yuma , ” which is as great as people said . )
el segundo : [ after pausing and nervously clearing his throat ] tell me something… who are you ? valdez : i told you once before – bob valdez . el segundo : [ referring to valdez’s earlier marksmanship against his men ] you know something , bob valdez , you hit one , i think , 700 - 800 yards . valdez : [ with certitude ] closer to a thousand . el segundo : what was it ? sharps ? valdez : [ nods ] my own load . el segundo : you ever hunt buffalo ? valdez : apache . el segundo : i knew it . when ? valdez : before i know better . el segundo : you know how many men you kill these last two days ? valdez : eleven . el segundo : you counted . valdez : you better .
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a man chooses his actions ; he cannot choose the consequences . bob valdez , the part - time town constable chooses to try and bring a peaceful end to a stand - off . another man , frank tanner , chooses to use valdez ' s good intentions for his own ends . it costs the man in the middle of the stand - off his life . valdez and tanner come into direct conflict when valdez insists that the dead man ' s woman receive compensation for his death . the dead man wasn ' t the murdering , deserting soldier everybody ' d been convinced he was . valdez thinks the woman deserves compensation , but nobody ' s interested in paying - - especially tanner . so after tanner has his men humiliate valdez , he strikes back . is it justice ? is it revenge ? is it compensation ? it doesn ' t matter . it only matters that valdez is coming . it will cost frank tanner everything .
cypher will put up the rest . when lancaster confronts the man he is rebuffed , then tied to a cross and left to wander in the desert . lancaster vows revenge and sends cypher a message :
valdez is coming .
he kidnaps clark , cypher ' s mistress and the murdered trader ' s widow . she admits to killing her
“you tell him i’m coming ! you tell him i’m fucking comiiiing ! ” terence stamp in the limey is my favourite example of the type of character bob valdez becomes . he doesn ' t care about the odds , he will do what it takes to ensure those responsible do what is right or die trying . it ' s this certainty that he is right whilst having no fear of dying in its pursuit that makes bob valdez such an interesting character . the fact that he is constantly underestimated by everyone around him only serves to heigh
i was thinking about this film just this week . in a discussion on remakes , a film reviewer mentioned that someone is considering a remake of the wild bunch ( horrible , horribal idea ) which got me thinking about westerns i like and this one popped into mind . it has been years since i saw valdez is coming but i remember enjoying burt lancaster ' s performance and i remember the buffalo gun . valdez goes into my netflix queue today .
leading tanner’s men on the hunt is el segundo ( barton heyman ) , tanner’s mexican foreman who comes to his own grudging respect for valdez .
valdez asks the rancher for $ 100 in reparations for the black man’s pregnant indian widow , and in response is almost killed by the rancher’s henchmen .
valdez captures the rancher’s girlfriend ( susan clark ) , who is also the widow of the man the original black man was supposed to have murdered .
i sat down late yesterday afternoon to read valdez is coming . i never stopped until finishing it . this , this is what a western ( or any story from any genre ) should be . the characters for the most part are neither good people nor bad people , each with validation for what they do , each roaming in the gray area we all do . the main character valdez is one of the most fascinating characters i ' ve come across . after being humiliated and mistreated , he will do just about anything for vengeance and does ,
leonard did everything right , here . his sparing use of description suits the badlands of the west . the plot is simple : a small town constable wants restitution for a woman done wrong . and he ' s coming to get it .
of being a murderer . valdez asks tanner for monetary help for the man ' s wife ,
elm0ore leonard ' s valdez is coming is the first of the author ' s westerns that i have read - - and hopefully not the last . although i love the western film genre , i have read only a handful of western fiction all these years . roberto valdez is a mexican - american part - time lawman who rides shotgun for a stage line . his enemies are to find out that he has a strong sense of justice , good judgment , and a dead aim with firearms . out of self - defense , he shoots an army deserter that rancher frank tanner
when rancher frank tanner ( jon cypher ) hoodwinks local lawman bob valdez ( burt lancaster ) into shooting an innocent man , valdez is remorseful and tries to take up a collection for the widow . tanner won ' t hear of it , however , and punishes valdez by driving him into the desert with a cross strapped to his back . valdez is freed by one of tanner ' s henchmen ( richard jordan ) and , after convalescing , begins waging a one - man war against tanner , picking off his men with his trusty sharps rifle .
after a brief recuperation , valdez suits up in his old gear from his days as an army scout .
valdez recovers and summons up his days in the u . s . cavalry in order to fight them .
burt lancaster is bob valdez ( lancaster was 57 but in great shape ) , a new mexico peace officer of latino ancestry . he is forced by powerful rancher frank tanner ( john cypher ) to . kill a black man accused of murder .
taken together with another elmore leonard story from the mid - 1960s ( hombre , also an excellent movie from 1967 ) , you can see leonard playing with unusually capable protagonists from minorities ( bob valdez is latino , john russell is more apache than white ) .
“valdez is coming” is a revenge western , set in postcivil war arizona , about a man whose principles are somewhat loftier than those of the movie that contains them . it stars blue‐eyed burt lancaster , wearing a lot of dark brown make‐up , as a discriminated‐against mexican constable , and it was directed by edwin sherin , the man who directed the prizewinning stage version of “the great white hope . ” it opened yesterday at the victoria theater on broadway and at other theaters throughout the city .
in the picture of valdez , taken when he was an army scout , he had sergeant stripes on his shirt .
before valdez shoots from long distance in the valley , tanner ' s man segundo says he has already killed 5 men . after the valley ambush , when sugundo meets up with valdez , he confirms there were a total of 11 killed . however , segundo told tanner there were 5 more killed in the valley , so valdez should have said a total of only 10 .
man after man sent after valdez comes a cropper . by the time we get to the last reel and the final standoff between valdez and tanner , eleven men have bitten the dust . we see several picked off by buffalo gun in this clip (
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the setup of the situation in the first chapter was masterful as was the portrayal of tanner . the way valdez & tanner got valdez into the situation was a devilishly clever by leonard . the more i think about it , the better i like it .
this was the first time i ' ve ever read a western novel . i ' ve had a few on my to - read list but never gotten around to them . set somewhere along the us - mexico border this is a classic story of revenge . after rich local crime boss tanner causes valdez to kill an innocent man . valdez seeks retribution money for the dead man ' s wife and unborn child . tanner declines valdez by almost killing him . that ' s the wrong thing to do to valdez . i was looking for a bit more in this book though . it just seemed to
everything leonard ever wrote is worth reading . this particular book is an excellent example of an elmore leonard western novel . as engaging as any of his detroit or miami based crime novels , this book should be less than it is . the plot is of the
hardheaded old west guy gets his revenge against powerful , rich rancher guy
variety that is the base of seemingly one third of the western novels and movies ever produced . despite this fatal flaw , or flaw one would think would be fatal , this book is
what exactly is that code ? it begins with an instinct for justice : valdez kills a man for the wrong reasons , not without meaning to but certainly without wanting to , and figures that he and the others responsible owe the man’s pregnant widow reparations . the dead man is black , however , and his woman is apache , so nobody else believes they owe her anything . when valdez confronts tanner , whose wrong identification led to the shooting , with his proposals , tanner’s men test his nerve by using the wall around him for target practice :
this is a simple tale of vengeance where everybody cusses a lot , but elmore makes it interesting by developing the idea that
a man can be in two different places and he will be two different men .
what the villains in this story learn too late is that bob valdez , the part - time constable who gets along with everyone , is the same man
who had been a contract guide when general crook chased geronimo down into the madres .
that bob valdez was once
in charge of the apache police at whiteriver ,
where he could , by the way ,
shoot his springfield carbine one hell of a lot better than any of them could shoot .
prey becomes predator , and readers see the transition coming , but elmore keeps the story moving along at a good clip .
bob valdez is a small - town constable who also rides shotgun for a stage coach company . he arrives home one saturday afternoon to find that much of the town has gathered around a shack on the outskirts of town . the wealthiest man around - - a mr . tanner - - has identified a man he saw in town as an army deserter and murderer . the accused has taken refuge in the shack along with his indian woman who is pregnant . valdez attempts to defuse the situation but is forced to kill the accused man when one of the
. barton heyman deserves mention as el segundo , tanner’s chief henchman . the film is rated
this is one of those movies that time has not treated kindly in a physical sense .
an honest marshal is the only man willing to stand against a powerful but ruthless rancher .
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quiet , part - time town constable roberto valdez is called in when a mob has tracked down a black man who is accused by tanner , a rich businessman in town , of being an army deserter and murderer . roberto tries to diffuse the situation and is forced to shoot the man , who was holed up in a house with his pregnant girlfriend and turned out to be totally innocent . when valdez goes to tanner to ask for reparations for the man ' s wife , tanner ' s crew beats roberto and tries to crucify him , leaving him for
this is a simple tale of vengeance where everybody cusses a lot , but elmore makes it interesting by developing the idea that
a man can be in two different places and he will be two different men .
what the villains in this story learn too late is that bob valdez , the part - time constable who gets along with everyone , is the same man
who had been a contract guide when general crook chased geronimo down into the madres .
that bob valdez was once
in charge of the apache police at whiteriver ,
whe
a man chooses his actions ; he cannot choose the consequences . bob valdez , the part - time town constable chooses to try and bring a peaceful end to a stand - off . another man , frank tanner , chooses to use valdez ' s good intentions for his own ends . it costs the man in the middle of the stand - off his life . valdez and tanner come into direct conflict when valdez insists that the dead man ' s woman receive compensation for his death . the dead man wasn ' t the murdering , deserting soldier everybody ' d been co
this diverse list makes me think that “revenge” is about as helpful for explaining what a novel is about as “marriage” : perhaps the revenge plot , like the marriage plot , is primarily a structuring device that provides a framework in which other issues can be explored and possibly resolved .
haven ' t read that many western novels , but i doubt they come better than this short , laconic masterpiece . this is existential territory , a man being shaped by his actions . valdez ' s reaction to his circumstances seems monomanic , but is motivated by his sense of honor and justice . he is a man , but he is also a concept being formed , under the blazing sun and under the readers ' eyes . and after all this hard , violent stuff , at the end leonard lets the story fly away like a feather , while yet another decision is being made . . . brilliant .
valdez , is a wonderful action packed 70 ' s western , that should be a favorite of any fan of westerns . very well - acted and a wonderful music track . burt lancaster , as always effortlessly plays a very interesting character .
it’s a central paradox of the hard - boiled private eye that his violence elevates rather than condemns him : for us to accept that , we have to be convinced of his “private moral code , ” to believe that he kills for the right reasons . this means that though the stories are filled with action , they really turn on principle — and that is exactly true of valdez is coming . by the end of the novel valdez has killed over a dozen men , but even though by then things are more complicated than they seemed at first , there’s no doubt that he’s in the right , that we are rooting for him as he picks them off one by one in defense of himself but also of the code he can’t quite articulate but follows without equivocation .
this is a fantastic movie , driven primarily by lancaster ' s embodiment of the character of valdez - a town constable who kills an innocent man in self - defense , only to then become the subject of constant abuse by the slain ' s pursuer . valdez ' s vengeful reactions to this abuse , the episodic pacing , and the great supporting actors make this a real cinematic treat . lancaster ' s treatment of voice and body language show he is an actor of extreme talent . of further interest is the landscape of spain , which makes up the film ' s authentic exteriors .
they laughed at roberto valdez and then ignored him . but when a dark - skinned man was holed up in a shack with a gun , they sent the part - time town constable to deal with the problem - - and made sure he had no choice but to gun the fugitive down . trouble was , valdez killed an innocent man . and when he asked for justice - - and some money for the dead man ' s woman - - they beat valdez and tied him to a cross . they were still laughing when valdez came back . and then they began to die . . .
elmore leonard knows drama and this early western is that . frank tanner runs his men and his life with an iron hand . his word was good enough for a group of men to go after an innocent man and he ends up being killed by valdez in self defense . valdez goes after frank tanner to help pay the widow of the innocent man , five hundred dollars . tanner has him beaten and left for dead . now the game has changed and valdez finds that it has gone far beyond giving the woman justice for her dead husband .
valdez wants to compensate the man’s widow and attempts to collect $ 100 from the man , frank tanner , who wrongly accused the victim . tanner refuses and humiliates valdez , then has him tied to a cross when he persists . arming himself , valdez surprises tanner in his bed and asks again for the $ 100 . failing in this attempt , he takes the man’s girlfriend ( susan clark ) as a hostage , and thus begins a long chase .
i ' ve read a huge chunk of elmore leonard ' s work over the years , but this was my first western of his . seriously very glad i finally got to it , as it ' s one of his best . valdez is a lawman who gets zero respect , hired basically to do thankless grunt work . he ' s not taken seriously by the town ' s governing bodies ( or anyone else , really ) , and when they need someone to roust a black man with an indian wife , holed up in a cabin , they tag valdez to do it . valdez is forced to kill the man - - who turns out
everything leonard ever wrote is worth reading . this particular book is an excellent example of an elmore leonard western novel . as engaging as any of his detroit or miami based crime novels , this book should be less than it is . the plot is of the
hardheaded old west guy gets his revenge against powerful , rich rancher guy
variety that is the base of seemingly one third of the western novels and movies ever produced . despite this fatal flaw , or flaw one would think would be fatal , this book is quite engrossing , with decently drawn characters and crackling dialog .
i think maybe part of the shame of liking poe ( there is some shame , i think ) is the possibility that one does perhaps identify , or at least sympathize , with his narrators . yes , shelley’s creature is probably more sympathetic ; we at least see and feel his wrongs .
over time , she develops an attraction to valdez because of his tired decency , and because he treats her better than the other men she has known .
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haven ' t read that many western novels , but i doubt they come better than this short , laconic masterpiece . this is existential territory , a man being shaped by his actions . valdez ' s reaction to his circumstances seems monomanic , but is motivated by his sense of honor and justice . he is a man , but he is also a concept being formed , under the blazing sun and under the readers ' eyes . and after all this hard , violent stuff , at the end leonard lets the story fly away like a feather , while yet another
i’m surprised , really , how much fun i found valdez is coming . still , i can’t imagine reading a lot of books like this — not in a row , certainly . i also have some hesitations about teaching it : it is full of racial slurs , for one thing , and while i think it’s pretty clear not just that they are historically and contextually appropriate but also that the novel as a whole rejects the attitudes they express , that does create some pedagogical challenges . there’s also a lot about its contexts that i don’t know , and of course this is not the kind of novel that’s available in a helpfully annotated edition ! that can be rectified with research , though , and for better and for worse it does seem more “pulpy” than true grit .
it had a lot of pretty good action , but the motivations didn ' t work for me at different times . valdez ' s character was erratic & didn ' t seem complete . everyone seemed to know everyone , so the dichotomy of the perception of valdez was tough to swallow . the innkeeper knew who he was . part of the problem is that too much was taken out of the short story , i think .
synopsis / blurb . . . . . . . . . . . they laughed at roberto valdez and then ignored him . but when a dark - skinned man was holed up in a shack with a gun , they sent the part - time town constable to deal with the problem - - and made sure he had no choice but to gun the fugitive down . trouble was , valdez killed an innocent man . and when he asked for justice - - and some money for the dead man ' s woman - - they beat valdez and tied him to a cross . they were still laughing when valdez came back . and then they began
good sound and visual quality . this is one of the best performances that burt lancaster ever turned in , for my money equal to his birdman of alcatraz . he is one of those actors that like good red wine , improves with age . this has got to be up in the top five of the
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western genre . all the actors put in good performances , not a bum note to be seen . the plot is both original and interesting , the main event though is the very nature of the man ; valdez . the end of the film is both surprising and thought provoking ; those who require the usual clear cut resolution may feel let down .
written and produced by boyd kestner “little loopers” is the story of a once promising golfer named hutch mcgee ( boyd kestner ) , who after a mishap with the law , is sentenced to community service . hutch is then forced into a coaching position for “first tee” , the outreach program for children ages 10 - 16 .
this was the first time i ' ve ever read a western novel . i ' ve had a few on my to - read list but never gotten around to them . set somewhere along the us - mexico border this is a classic story of revenge . after rich local crime boss tanner causes valdez to kill an innocent man . valdez seeks retribution money for the dead man ' s wife and unborn child . tanner declines valdez by almost killing him . that ' s the wrong thing to do to valdez . i was looking for a bit more in this book though . it just seemed to be missing something and the ending was a let - down . i think it could have been much better than it was . most of the characters were poorly fleshed out . this is one of leonard ' s earlier books so maybe next time i ' ll try something newer .
the film has a steady level of excitement but is thankfully also interested in character . it’s not just marksmanship with firearms that keeps valdez going . there’s also a hidden depth of intelligence as he continues to outsmart his pursuers . it’s a battle of wits right to the end .
read this for a book club . first of leonard ' s westerns i ' ve read . pulls you in right from the start as valdez gets caught up in the persecution and death of an innocent man . valdez attempts at a civil restitution are rebuffed , again and again , until it ' s time to pull out the guns .
shot in spain , this elmore leonard story makes for an absorbing tale of pursuit and justice . the valdez of the title ( burt lancaster ) is a mexican - american and former cavalryman , who is now a star - wearing constable of a western border town . in a bungled attempt to secure the surrender of a suspect wanted for murder , he shoots and kills an innocent man .
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within the first half‐hour of the movie , bob valdez ( lancaster ) is humiliated , called a greaser , shot at and mock‐crucified , all because he wants to raise $ 200 from the white men responsible ( along with himself ) for the killing of a black freed‐man , a murder‐suspect later known to have been innocent . the money is to go to the black man ' s pregnant apache woman .
to the chivalric tradition — a tradition he shares in this country with the westerner . he is not of the people ; he is alone . his adventures are solitary statements . his commitment is to a private moral code without which no other code makes sense to him . he regularly reaffirms the code on behalf of people who don’t have one . he is the last gentleman , and to remain that he must often fight . sometimes he must kill .
( 1967 ) , another elmore leonard story that picks up some of the same racial issues . ( i didn ' t mention that the man shot at the beginning of the movie is black and his wife is indian . )
nick valdez has been writing for modern method for years , but now he ' s writing about videogames ! he likes games where you punch dudes in the face . more + disclosures
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i have actually taught city of glass in my detective fiction class : it was fun to work through something that is definitely using but then rejecting many of the tropes and certainties of the genre . unsatisfying , for sure , if what you want or expect is closure . what you say about true grit seems right to me : it makes the moves but the tone is different .
this is one of my favourite western films of all time . have read the book too . . . . years ago .
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i listened to this as a short story in the complete western stories of elmore leonard . the first chapter of this book is a cut down version of that & the rest of the book has a totally different tone . the setup of the situation in the first chapter was masterful as was the portrayal of tanner . the way valdez & tanner got valdez into the situation was a devilishly clever by leonard . the more i think about it , the better i like it . it had a lot of pretty good action , but the motivations did
this version is better , in large part because of lancaster’s performance and a fairly coherent story based on a novel by elmore leonard .
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my family and friends have had 3 holidays staying at the valdez which is close to good quality vineyards with excellent restaurants , the farmers market , good golf courses and splash planet which is great for all the family are also very close . the rooms are very spacious and quiet with attached out door patios and have every thing you will need . including sky tv . the out door pool is great to relax in on those hot summer days you often experience when staying in the hawkes bay . i have also stayed many times on business trips because the owners are very friendly and helpful with loads of local knowledge .
honour is always worth fighting for . burt lancaster stars as an ageing mexican - american lawman who erupts into a one - man army in this bold saga of retribution and redemption . when it comes to keeping the peace , former frontier sherriff bob valdez ( lancaster ) has always been the voice of reason in a sea of chaos . when frank tanner ( jon cypher ) provokes a shoot - out resulting in the death of an innocent man , valdez dusts off his old uniform , straps on his guns and vows to exact justice and vengeance at any cost .
. the first chapter of this book is a cut down version of that & the rest of the book has a totally different tone .
wuthering heights does not fit your definition . it is heathcliff who seeks revenge , and his victims are more or less innocent . if frankenstein’s monster ( with whom i strongly sympathize and identify – like me , he loves goethe ! ) is not allowed , heathcliff won’t work .
i ' d give this one a 3 . 5 to be fair . the book keeps you reading and there is the hint of interest in the characters but i feel that is a false sense of character . you feel like you are getting invested in a character but this is a western , and part of the appeal or genre characteristic of westerns is that they are the the story of a man measuring his character against nature , other men , and himself . so you are shown the character of your character . all the same , the characters in this story were
the plot is a typical elmore leonard story , in which bad guys underestimate somebody who looks regular but has hidden skills—an everyman rising to battle .
this is a dated complex . the rooms are not up to current expected standard . there is little storage for clothing and personal effects . the proprietors were terse and helped begrudgingly . the kitchen facilities were satisfactory . the cleaning staff were excellent but their efforts were spoiled by the managers attitude .
they laughed at roberto valdez and then ignored him . but when a dark - skinned man was holed up in a shack with a gun , they sent the part - time town constable to deal with the problem - - and made sure he had no choice but to gun the fugitive down . trouble was , valdez killed an innocent man . and when he asked for justice - - and some money for the dead man ' s woman - - they beat
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my husband and i stayed here during christmas holiday for 3 nights . excellent reception , rooms were very clean and spacious . the salt water swimming pool was perfect on a hot summers day . would highly recommend the valdez and would definitely stay here again .
i ' d give this one a 3 . 5 to be fair . the book keeps you reading and there is the hint of interest in the characters but i feel that is a false sense of character . you feel like you are getting invested in a character but this is a western , and part of the appeal or genre characteristic of westerns is that they are the the story of a man measuring his character against nature , other men , and himself . so you are shown the character of your character . all the same , the characters in this story were static and fairly shallow . in the end the long and the short of the book was : see this guy that seems all meek and mild ? well let me show you how absolutely a bad ass he is while i expose this guy who seems like a bad ass to be a coward . the end . despite the simplicity of the story and the lack of a strong take - away this is still an entertaining title .
mr . lancaster himself is simply beyond criticism , an enduring star whose screen personality—decent , liberal , tough , well‐intentioned—provides the shape of the movies that are constructed around him .
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but , of course , leonard isn’t really a pulp author , any more than portis is . his language goes to a purpose : in this case , the way that everything about western society — its race relations , its class disparities , its sexual hierarchies — all descend inevitably into the singular outcome of righteous bloodshed . just look at the very clever way that leonard has the image and memory of the pregnant widow gradually fade from valdez’s mind . by the end of the novel , he can barely even recall the ostensible motivation for his actions , let alone care about her welfare . the only thing that matters is revenge .
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this one happens to be a favorite ( as well as hombre ) . i have a kindle of leonard ' s western fiction . is that the one you referred to cullen ?
valdez felt his hat move and felt powder dust from the adobe brick in his eyes and in his nose and felt chips of adobe sting his face and hands and felt a bullet plow into the wall between his knees and a voice say , “a little higher you get him good . ”
western . bob valdez , an ageing mexican constable on the the south - western border of the usa , shoots and kills a black man accused of murder by local ranch owner frank tanner . however he discovers the man he had shot was innocent . based on the novel by elmore leonard .
a kentucky widower bound for 1820 ' s texas with his young son is thwarted in his efforts by a corrupt constable , a long - standing family feud , and a beautiful indentured servant .
well , this is a dandy western . it ' s lean and economical ( only about 140 pages ) , very straightforward and linear in structure ( our hero sets out to get compensation for a widow , is rebuffed and tortured , but of course turns around and comes hell - bent for payback ) , but with good meat in its sketchy but complex ( well , within the limits of hyper - macho lit ) characterization - - a scene in which we track the death of a minor character is especially nice . it ' s mostly predictable , a good example of its typ
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we don’t have books - a - million up here ! i was recently at our local chapters , which is the largest chain bookstore in these parts , and they didn’t even have a western section .
a solid revenge western , highly enjoyable but with a few flaws . the gender politics have not aged well , for one , and some of the characterizations are hit - and - miss . still , the plot is gripping , the action on point , and the dialog strong ( though leonard ' s best was yet to come in that department ) . this is often hailed as one of the great westerns , and is a darn good one . i ' ve been wanting to read it for about ten years now , and was overjoyed when i saw my local library had a copy . i read it in abou
, this is one of the two “old scout” movies lancaster made about the same time , among the best of their type . for susan clark in another western , see her with james garner in the comedy
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i like this idea about the similarity between detective fiction and western fiction . i wonder it the way that portis is “anti - western” works with certain detective fiction . are there “anti - detective” novels out there ? probably .
a very disappointing film . i thoroughly enjoyed the book which creates real and complex characters , but the film misses most of these subtleties and motivations and we are left with an average tv film . the dvd isn ' t in widescreen ( which it was filmed in ) and has so many jump cuts that it is obviously heavily edited . the two stars are because i love westerns and burt lancaster is quite good . however , overall the film is very shallow , cheaply made and not a patch on the book . if you can buy it for a £1 and can waste 85 minutes , then by all means try it but otherwise , give bit a wide berth .
, he immediately sent a copy to lancaster . lancaster was so impressed with leonard ' s storyline , he agreed to co - produce the picture with steiner . lancaster initially intended to play the evil tanner , with marlon brando playing valdez . sydney pollack was set to direct , and david rayfiel began work on the script . but that would all change .
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a solid revenge western , highly enjoyable but with a few flaws . the gender politics have not aged well , for one , and some of the characterizations are hit - and - miss . still , the plot is gripping , the action on point , and the dialog strong ( though leonard ' s best was yet to come in that department ) . this is often hailed as one of the great westerns , and is a darn good one . i ' ve been wanting to read it for about ten years now , and was overjoyed when i saw my local library had a copy . i read it in about a day . it ' s quick , simple , and a lot of fun despite the somewhat grim premise .
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cullen - - did you see the omnibus of leonard ' s western fiction ? you need that . inevitably , this reminds me that i still need to see the valdez horses , though i doubt that film will live up to lee hoffman ' s novel . . . thanks , ron ! i wonder how many other american as well as italian westerns were shot in the spanish desert . . .
elmore leonard is currently enjoying one of those critical re - evaluation periods that see a writer previously regarded as lowbrow or populist elevated to some kind of canonical great hope for literature status - in some people ' s minds . i don ' t think it makes sense in his case . this early western is impressively cinematic , but considering it ' s structured like a pretty conventional thriller it really isn ' t thrilling at all , and the themes are pretty tired if you ' ve watched more than a couple of we
no western section ? appalling ! but , then , it’s not as though you should actually have to * buy * a copy of the book , anyway . i mean , isn’t this exactly the sort of situation that steve donoghue is * here * for ?
he would say to tanner , ‘you see how it is ? the woman doesn’t have a man , so she needs money . you have money , but you don’t have a woman . all right , you pay for the man and you get your woman . ’
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kizzy : mum at 14 was a bbc three documentary about an underage mother , kizzy kay neal .

it was first shown on 11 december 2007 and was shown as the fourth and final part of the born survivor series on bbc three .

kizzy had sex for the first time at the age of 13 , and gave birth , at the age of 14 to a boy , whom she named kaylib .

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kizzy : mum at 14 will be broadcast on bbc three on tuesday , 11 december at 2230 gmt .
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kizzy : mum at 14 was seen by around 2 million viewers across several broadcasts on bbc3 earlier this year and a further 2 . 3 million on bbc1 in august .
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at the moment i am watching the documentary on kizzy the mum at 14 and my personal view is that she is a very amazing girl who suprised me about how brave and grown up she was . . . you can see how she still strives for a good life for her and her son . . . i had my little girl at 19 and i found that very hard but i dont think i could have done it at 14 she is brilliant and i say good on you kizzy ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
this has been played to death on bbc3 . at least it shows teenagers that it ' s not easy being a mum at that age and it ' s by no means glamourous .
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nine months later , she experienced another first : giving birth . since may this year , kizzy ' s been mum to her little boy kaylib . in september , kizzy went back at school , with her parents determined that she make the most of her life despite kizzy ' s self - confessed ' mistake ' . her mum kerry has even offered to bring kaylib to the school gates so kizzy can feed him .
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benefit from going to college from now on
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join date : aug 2006 ; location : was portsmouth now west scotland ; posts . . . i watch it i think she a good roll model 4 young mums how is turn her life around . . . . on kizzy the mum at 14 and my personal view is that she is a very . . .
why did anyone try to fight teen pregnancy ? because it sucks for the kid who is born to the teen mum . because a teen mum has no mental capacity to raise a child . because being born to teen mum means skid row for most of childhood .
agree teeny every scene telly on ! that aside she obviously was a lovely mum and her parents were fabulous . she was so much more grown up than i was at that age . horrible to think she got spat at in the street .
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being a mum so young has been tough for kizzy ' s family . her two brothers have been assaulted because their sister is a teen mum . the oldest was attacked with a bottle of vodka and the youngest had his nose broken . he ' s now deaf in one ear .
at de end of documentary kizzy , her moder , broders and her boyfriend michaew travew up to essex to see louie . louie wouwd not awwow michaew or her broders at de meeting and wouwd awso not awwow cameras . kizzy stated dat dis was de first time louie had met his son and it wouwd probabwy be de wast .
bbc3 is to revisit to the subject of one of its most popular documentaries with a new film on teenage single mum kizzy neal as part of a returning series of hard - hitting programmes .
the ' fwy - on - de - waww ' documentary highwights de uks ' high teenage pregnancy rate and fowwows kizzy after she weaves schoow for de summer howidays in 2007 . kizzy was born in leicester in 1992 , but wives in torbay . kizzy cwaims she got pregnant in a one night stand wif a boy named louie , whom kizzy wants to accept responsibiwity for kaywib . louie has moved to essex since kizzy became pregnant . kizzy arranged to have hersewf and kaywib baptised at easter time , her reason being to give kaywib a good start in wife .
didn ' t watch the original but watching now . what a lovely girl . she seems like a good mum .
your not the only one whos physically angry and shouting abusive language at the tv screen .
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but kizzy ' s not the only young mum in her area . torbay has one of the highest rates of pregnancy in britain and it ' s rising . kizzy says that a number of other girls in her year became pregnant and she was asked to counsel a couple of them .
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kizzy did my make up and hair for my 21st and it looked so amazing . i have never felt so confident or looked better ! kizzy is so lovely and completely
i agree this did not glamourise having a baby at 14 , but nor was it judgemental or off - putting . lools like you get quite a lot of attention if you have a baby while still a child yourself , you even get on tv .
a pregnant girl of 14 revealed yesterday that she had been asked by teachers to give advice to four of her school friends who have fallen pregnant this term .
it is claimed 11 other girls at the school also became pregnant , which the school strongly denies .
at the end of the documentary , kizzy says that she feels she let her son down , because he will likely grow up without knowing his father . what do you think about this ?
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kizzy said it had been an awkward , embarrassed encounter , with neither of them really having anything to say . but at least it provided closure of a kind ; a happy ending of a sort .
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i miss being able to get up and go out when i want to and doing teenage things . i can ' t do these things as much anymore but i do get help from mum and dad so i get the chance to be a child as well as a mum .
kizzy is neutered and getting on in years and has cataracts and a skin condition for which she receives treatment . she is the sole companion of her elderly owner who is devastated at her loss . kizzy insists on staying in the front garden so her owner puts a double lead on her and attaches her to t
tonight sees the launch of our bringing up britain season on bbc three - a collection of programmes that explore , without judgement , what life is really like for young parents in the uk . bbc three had produced a number of programmes like kizzy - mum at 14 and underage and pregnant that had been watched by many viewers . danny cohen ( now controller of bbc one ) was keen to explore the next generation of films in this area - instead of focussing purely on pregnancy he was keen to explore what happens when baby comes home .
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it ' s not just boyfriend - girlfriend ,
says kizzy .
it ' s friendship as well .
this is just as well , since kizzy has few friends among louis ' family .
' ' the fact that kizzy has had to help four pregnant girls , aged 14 and 15 , since christmas just goes to show we ' re all failing somewhere . and it ' s not just the parents , the school and the local authority – it ' s a social problem .
what a lovely lovely girl kizzy is , and a great supportive family . she is a fantastic mum and i really admire her - i don ' t think i would have coped the way she has at that age . caleb is a very lucky little man and i wish her all the best and hope her and caleb have a wonderful , happy , healthy life . xxx
kizzy believes her school takes the wrong approach by too readily giving out condoms and
promoting sex
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yeah , mature enough to get knocked up at 13 . ignorance and stupidity galore . . . what a waste of skin
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it ' s even harder without a father , and earlier this year kizzy took kaylib to southend to meet his dad . on her way home , it struck kizzy that the two probably wouldn ' t meet again .
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when it became known locally that kizzy was pregnant , she was bullied at school , as well as kicked and punched by people on the street . she even received threatening text messages . this was partly because people believed she was cashing in on her notoriety ( neither kizzy , nor anyone else in this film about her , were paid for appearing it ) .
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at 15 i found myself in a similar situation to kizzy but i had a miscarriage at 12 weeks . i ' m now 21 and about to graduate from university with a first - class degree . i don ' t regret my actions at 15 and i would have had that baby . yes it would have changed my life , but there is no reason why i couldn ' t go on to finish a degree . not all girls who get pregnant young are the type of girls people seem to think they are . i wish kizzy all the best with her exams and i hope she gets a job she loves .
kizzy ' s story is not uncommon in the uk , which has the highest teenage pregnancy rate in western europe .
he gate post . one of the leads is missing along with kizzy and therefore she is believed to be stolen .
holly , who became increasingly agitated with miss prudham during the interview , said : ' i would struggle to sleep at night ' .
s . she was amazing . had a trial with her a few weeks ago before the big day and felt so at ease w
in september 2007 , kizzy was set to go back to schoow , but de schoow said dat it wouwd be better in aww interests if she went to cowwege . kizzy aims to join de uk youf parwiament , wif her powiticaw focus being on youf and sex education . [ 3 ] in august 2011 kizzy gave birf to her second chiwd , a boy named taywor .
oh , and the only bit i didn ' t like was the sensationalist title - she actually was nearly 15 when her baby was born , not 13 ! she must have been very near 14 when she got pregnant .
i just watched this with my 7 months pregnant 15 yr old daughter it was brilliant but my daughter wasnt impresed by the 18 hr labour or the amount of stitches kizzy had to have but was inspired by kizzy and her ability and her ambition .
a buying opportunity – “we’ll buy you the pram ! ” “i’ll buy you the cot ! ” “aaaahhh , let’s go shopping ! ” the standard response from your mum and other shopaholics .
' i don ' t care what men think . i ' m not interested in men at all . i would love a sperm donor .
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of course it was heartening to see the way everyone had rallied round kizzy and her baby , but the political slant , even on the supposedly neutral voiceover commentary , was unmistakable . kizzy didn ' t have an abortion because
life is too precious
, it intoned self - righteously , forgetting that some would consider kizzy ' s specific life more precious than
life
as an abstract .
kizzy wants louis to be a part of caleb ' s life , though not as her partner . she has a steady boyfriend called michael , who ' s 18 and as level - headed and ambitious as kizzy . michael is happy to be a father to caleb .
feb 10 , 2013 - schoolgirl kizzy neal was just 13 when she fell pregnant with son kaylib . . . . kizzy , 17 - who gave birth soon after her 14th birthday - said :
when i found out i was . . . but she said :
i dealt with it and people are ok now .
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while the father of her child rejected being a dad and moved away from torbay in devon , kizzy never considered having her pregnancy terminated .
this fine documentary went beyond the grim statistics - - and beyond the lazy cliches about ' pramfaces ' - - to profile kizzy neal , a truly exceptional girl . kizzy had sex with a boy called louis when both of them were 13 and fell pregnant first time out .
one caller kizzy called in with the message : ' good luck to her ' , but another viewer had a far more poignant message .
the first programme of the born survivors series follows 13 - year - old kizzy through her pregnancy and the following six mont . . .
documentary centred around teenager kizzy neal , who became pregnant to a 13 - year - old boy who left town when he heard the news .
i ' m watching this now and we watched the original program a while ago following her pregnancy . she now wants her own place and wants to move out of her parents house , her dad has told her he doesn ' t think she ' s ready and they have to still teach her things and i wonder whether she would know any more or less about being a mum than i did at 25 ? this program has put across that she is doing a fantastic job , and it doesn ' t seem that she is doing any better or worse than any other 1st time mum
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she is a mature 14year old . agreed not sure on some of the views of family but very supportive . but i do think she will a good mum probably better than a lot a older girls who get pregnant
from that moment on , says kizzy ' s mother kerry , who is in her 40s , the atmosphere changed .
there was so much negativity about kizzy having the baby in the first place , then when he was born there was so much joy and excitement and everyone loves him .
ir which stayed in well all day and evening . i got lovely comments from people . i will for sure be using kizzy again ! much recommende
she told him she was on the pill ,
barked maggie , who lays all of the blame for the pregnancy at kizzy ' s door . louis , she says , is too young to be a father . besides , she ' s not convinced caleb is his child . she wants a dna test .
since i got pregnant , i ' ve learnt so much about contraception , abortions and sex but at school i think i had so few sex education lessons .
' ' sex education in schools isn ' t as good as it should be . kizzy said she never had any lessons , but now she ' s pregnant she ' s had two . the school has become more aware of the problem now though , and they have been brilliant with kizzy .
kizzy tewws de interviewers about mixed reactions from her friends . she says dat when her friends found out she was pregnant dey wanted babies too and , dree weeks water , dey were pregnant . not aww de reactions were positive . her broders tawk about having abuse shouted at dem and even being physicawwy beaten on severaw occasions .
documentary centered around teenager kizzy neal , who became pregnant to a 13 - year - old boy who left town when he heard the n . . .
repeated invites to louis and his family to visit caleb , and to be present at his christening , have slammed up against the formidable shield that is louis ' grandmother , maggie .
khloe kardashian ' anxious but eager ' as she gets back to work for the first time since true ' s birth . . . and her alarm goes off at 4 . 35am
hi , hope you dont mind me replying to your comment , yes it was a very long labour and lots of stiches , but kizzy says she only remembers the joy , please tell your daughter she will feel frieghtened , thats natural , but parental instinct does take over , we wish you and your daughter all the best and would love to hear from you ( about how it goes ) like wise kizzy would be only to happy to talk to her if that helps . merry xmas . . . . . . . . kerry ( kizzys mum )
though i do congratulate kizzy on her inner strength in having the baby and raising it alone , i had to question the admiration i am meant to feel . are we supposed to ignore the fact that she had unprotected sex at 13 , which ( correct me if i ' m wrong ) is the average age for girls to just be starting their periods and developing ? i am 13 myself ( 14 in february ) so i know exactly how bizarre it would be to be pregnant right now , and although i am going to try and stay a virgin until my wedding night , some of my friends ( who are not ) are sensible enough to wait until they are at least 16 . at my previous school , in our sex education that feeling was : go off and have sex , just don ' t get pregnant . while this is a good idea , it ' s still sending out the message that it doesn ' t matter if you have sex when you ' re underage , surely the law saying that you have to be 16 makes this illegal , and yet i see no punishment or at least ' ticking off ' towards those who ignore this law .
of the four other girls at her school who have fallen pregnant , two have already had abortions , one is keeping her baby and the fourth has not yet decided what to do .
definately ! not letting her and / or baby stay at the boyfriends house ? i think kizzy and her boyf have proven that they are both mature enough to take their relationship in any direction they wish to . the boyf is only 19 and looks to be doing a great job in the father role . i think that if it was your average 16 year old , you ' d obviously have reservations about allowing your daughter to spend a night sleeping over at the boyfriends , but due to the circumstances , kizzy has shown she is capable of making sensible decisions for herself and her son and as she has been forced to become a grown - up , maybe she should be allowed to act like one
i would like to congratulate the bbc on their ongoing series , underage and pregnant . the episode i watched tonight ( 11th july 2011 ) showed how young mum abby was coping with her young son riley and his dissabilities . i found it very emotional to watch but more than that , abby was a truely inspirational young girl . i would like to congratulate her on the fantastic job she is doing as a mum . i admire everything she is trying to achieve and would expect her mother is very , very proud . i am a single mum myself and for someone so young to be so nuturing and aspiring is a lesson to us all . there will be great times ahead for both of them and i wish them every hapiness .
kizzy ' s mother , kerry , 42 , said she was not surprised to hear how the teenage conception rate has shot up by 10 per cent since 1998 . she said : ' ' we couldn ' t have done more to educate kizzy . no one was to blame for her getting pregnant apart from herself . she was defiant .
documentary centered around teenager kizzy neal , who became pregnant to a 13 - year - old boy who left town when he heard the news . britain has the highest rate of teenage pregnancy in western europe , and torbay , where kizzy lives , has one of the highest in the country . the film follows kizzy through her pregnancy and the first six months of the infant ' s life as she struggles to come to terms with her enormous responsibilities and battles to get the baby ' s father to acknowledge his child .
holly willoughby became increasingly agitated with miss prudham during the interview and said : ' i would struggle to sleep at night ' . she highlighted the plight of those who struggle to receive benefits they deserve
we see kizzy getting to grips with motherhood and the very real loss of her own childhood at such a young age . we ' ll also find out if the baby ' s father , 15 - year - old louie , will make an appearance . he left town and moved to essex when he discovered he was going to be a father , and kizzy says it ' s now or never for him to get to know his baby son . but with all that distance between them , will he ever agree to acknowledge his little boy ?
just watched this documentary , thanks for the link . what a supportive family , kizzy is a lucky woman . wishing her and caleb all the best for a happy life x
as it went on , she became the target of abuse from people . she was spat at and her brothers were attacked because , her father kevin believes , she chose not to have an abortion .
the secret baby carriers – “omg ! you’re pregnant ? ! so am i ! but don’t tell anyone yet…” oh don’t you worry ; after all this time we’re now pretty good at keeping a secret .
well you silly little * * * * er , if you had used one you wouldn ' t be where you are now would you . she also says sex education at school should . . .
the new film , kizzy : sex , prams and exams , part of the second series of born survivors , will follow her as she turns 16 and juggles motherhood and school .
the caring souls – “how are you feeling ? ” “has the morning sickness get only better ? ” “is there anything at all i can do to help ? ” arguably the sweetest group of them all .
struggling to keep calm , holly willloughby said : ' do you struggle to sleep at night ? ' but miss prudham replied : ' not really . i ' m not the one who makes up the rules '
abandoned at birth - gatwick baby and jono lancaster ' s so what if my baby is born like me ? are moving portrayals of childhoods lost . steven hydes was abandoned at gatwick airport when he was 10 days old and is on a life - defining search to find out his true identity . jono has treacher collins syndrome - a rare genetic condition - and is trying to decide if or how he should ever have children .
the teenager believes that getting pregnant is considered ' ' fashionable
by some schoolgirls and fears that her peers at paignton community college have seen the support her parents have given her , and think becoming pregnant is acceptable .
in an interview at the weekend sir tom , now 75 , said he is often told he is ‘just passing as white’ and as a result he has decided to ‘get my dna tested . i want to find out’ .
i agree - she was blaming it all on kizzy when it obviously takes 2 to seal . . . thank you for sharing the link with us fmkirby , i just watched it now . . .
kizzy said : ' ' when my friends see my bump they say they wish they could have a baby , then three weeks later they ' re pregnant and don ' t know what to do .
hello , i just watched this for the first time , and was struck by what a wonderful programme it was - what a wonderful mum kizzy is , and how gorgeous is caleb ! i just wanted to send my smiles to her family and her , as it was really courageous to make the programme in spite of the narrow minded and disgusting individuals who would spit in a pregnant woman ' s face ! these people ought to be ashamed of themselves , and it shows how ignorant they are . . . kizzy is an inspiration to myself as a mother anyways , and i think she is doing a fab job , and her family are fantastic - what a brilliant support network ! big smiles x
it ' s hard to let go of your childhood , you have to break away from that , you have grow up really fast , you have to mature quickly . it ' s hard getting to grips with being a mum and how to look after your child the best you can .
yeah i watched it for the first time . would be interesting to see how everything is with her now and if she ' s still with her boyfriend . i don ' t think the programme glamourised getting pregnant especially near the beginning when it showed her in labour . well at least she ' s trying to be a good mum and get on with her life . she had quite a good attitude compared to others in the same situation . that ' s really sad about the producer / director of the programme who died . rip tricia williamson
but although kizzy may look like any other student in the classroom , she is constantly reminded of her responsibilities as a parent because of the sacrifices she has to make and what she describes as her lost childhood .
according to kizzy :
when my friends saw my bump , they said they wished they could have a baby . then three weeks later they ' re pregnant and don ' t know what to do .
kizzy makes it clear that she loves her son ( and who wouldn ' t , . . . it would be good to see a follow up programme now , to see how they are all . . .
feb 24 , 2007 - kizzy said she never had any lessons , but now she ' s pregnant she ' s had two . the school has become more aware of the problem now though , . . .
kizzy neal , of torbay , devon , who is due to give birth in may , spoke out as new figures showed that the seaside resort is one of the worst areas in the country for teenage pregnancy .
kizzy ' s father , kevin , 43 , a builder , has condemned the ' ' gang culture
which he said had developed in paignton , where teenagers hang around drinking , taking drugs and having sex .
i loved this programme for all the reasons you have stated , but i hated the fact that the baby always seemed to be in a chair in front of the telly . i wanted to get him out and play with him ! apart from that , great family , lovely boyfriend , and very mature mum .
kizzy , caleb and michael made the train journey to see louis . the viewer , however , wasn ' t quite so privileged . louis didn ' t want the meeting filmed , nor did he want michael present .
aug 8 , 2008 - despite this , kizzy , who ' s 16 now and gave birth to a healthy baby boy she named caleb , is mature beyond her years . she ' s ambitious and . . .
as calls are made for sex education to be compulsory in all schools kizzy neal , 15 , is one teenager with a lot on her plate - exams , boyfriends and looking after her seven - month - old son .
and steve jones , emeritus professor of human genetics at university college london , said : ‘on a long trudge through history – two parents , four great - grandparents , and so on – very soon everyone runs out of ancestors and has to share them .
the performers included russell brand , of course . throw something at the tv , these days , and the chances are it will hit russell brand . he doesn ' t even need to look in the mirror any more ; he just switches on the box . last week he was on boys who do comedy , the royal variety performance and the culture show , which covered his appearance at the oxford union ( and included a hilarious sequence in which a don gave an earnest critique of my booky wook ) .
the film follows kizzy through her pregnancy and the first six months of the infant ' s life as she struggles to come to terms with her enormous responsibilities and battles to get the baby ' s father to acknowledge his child .
kizzy returned to college in september , leaving her mother to look after kaylib while she studies for six gcses . she wants to be a member of parliament but if that doesn ' t happen , to be an occupational therapist .
i was thinking about the baby growing up without a dad and thought i ' d let him down . it ' s ideal to have a mum and a dad and to have a proper environment but it ' s very different for me . he ' s got as much love as he needs , even without a dad .
hi , hope you dont mind me replying to your comment , yes it was a very long labour and lots of stiches , but kizzy says she only remembers the joy , please tell your daughter she will feel frieghtened , thats natural , but parental instinct does take over , we wish you and your daughter all the best and would love to hear from you ( about how it goes ) like wise kizzy would be only to happy to talk to her if that helps .
despite this , kizzy , who ' s 16 now and gave birth to a healthy baby boy she named caleb , is mature beyond her years . she ' s ambitious and intelligent and doesn ' t conform to the teen mother stereotype .
born survivors is at the heart of bbc3 current affairs output . it ' s a fully joined - up multiplatform project , combining thought - provoking tv documentaries with short - form online content generated by the bbc3 audience ,
the bbc3 controller , danny cohen , said .
dec 10 , 2007 - she was 13 .
i didn ' t stop crying for three weeks and i was really , really scared ,
says kizzy , who is now 15 .
i knew i ' d done something wrong .
saw this when it was on bbc3 . it ' d be good to see a follow up on this , see how she is now . its not glamourising underage sex or pregnancy at all , its really off - putting . it ' d put anyone off having a baby .
when news of her pregnancy spread through the local community , kizzy was spat on and verbally and physically abused , by adults as well as by her peers . her brothers were assaulted in the street and one of them suffered a serious eye injury .
the ' fly - on - the - wall ' documentary highlights the uks ' high teenage pregnancy rate and follows kizzy after she leaves school for the summer holidays in 2007 .  show and background  reaction of friends  meeting with louie  references
i don ' t think it is fair to put the blame to a school because they are not giving enough
sex education
talks . the foundation of one ' s education should always start at home and not some place else . kids can sometimes be a reflection of the parents .
also , i ' m not sure that the father saying to her
this isn ' t what you expected when you had unprotected sex is it ?
repeatedly at her whilst she was writhing around in pain was particularly helpful . not sure what it said about the parents . . .
the presenter said : ' how can you sleep at night ? you know how important your kids are to you . that person with a young carer . that child is equally important to them . but they haven’t got their money , because where is it going ? into your pocket . ’
i didn ' t stop crying for three weeks and i was really , really scared ,
says kizzy , who is now 15 .
i knew i ' d done something wrong . thirteen is not the ideal age to have a baby .
my sister asked me if i was worried about having the baby . fairly standard , i guess . she then clarified that what she meant was whether i was worried that i’d have the baby and then realise that i wasn’t in love with my husband any more and i would ‘end up’ a single mum with a kid screwed up by a divorce . ‘um , no’ , was all i could manage…true story .
i too became pregnant in my early teens but it was in a time when young girls were given no choices . my mother decided for me and the result of clinical intervention meant a life without children . good for you kizzy . kaylib is blessed to have you as him mother .
kizzy never gave in and abortion was never an option . she likes being a mother and she has the support of her parents , kelly and kevin ( the neals seem to have a thing about the letter k ) , and her brothers kye and kierran ( see what i mean ? ) .
what an interesting story ! however , bbc , as a teacher , i know full well the people who should be watching it won ' t be at 10 . 30 pm on bbc3 . i hope you offer schools an opportunity to buy this in some way , as i am sure it would be useful to phse or child development classes .
i watched this and thought what a lovely mum she is , and what a wonderful supportive boyfriend . the whole family are really engaging , and i think the programme showed them as a normal family dealing with an unusual situation . i did really like the angle her parents took on it all - ie as a cautionary tale . i also thought they were wonderful and supportive . what a lucky little baby he is , to be surrounded by such a good family !
cot death is another word for sids or sudden infant death syndrome . this is a phenomenon where seemingly healthy infants , most before the age of six months , die of unexplained causes while sleeping . how might the experience of losing a child to sids / cot death have influenced kizzy ' s parents feelings about caleb ?
tic tac has been held up by the government as a model of good practice but kizzy ' s father kevin believes its work undermines a parent ' s efforts to instil abstinence in a child . his daughter accepts it was her mistake but her fears that having kaylib meant the
end of fun
have not been realised .
the bringing up britain season kicks off tonight with is breast best ? at 9pm . bbc three presenter cherry healey found the experience of breast feeding both painful and traumatic and with the uk having such low breastfeeding rates in comparison with the rest of europe she is on a mission to find out how other mums feel . viewers can also chat with her online during the programme .
thankyou kerry , like all 1st time mums she is nervous about the labour but knows she will be fine , thankyou for taking the time to reply . kizzy has most likely touched alot of young girls lives whether they are pregnant or not she is very brave to have taken part in the documentary series and im sure you are all very proud of her .
finally , a child learning from her mistakes , saying that schools promote sex . all teenagers hear about in the media and at school is sex . of course they will experiment . we need to get back to teaching morality , and abstinence until marriage and stop advertising sex everywhere . you can ' t even go to the shopping centre without seeing posters of women in underwear . of course this nation has a problem !
in their different ways , all the programmes paint an intimate picture of both parenting and childhood - from extraordinary personal stories to practical advice and debate programming . it ' s not just aimed at mums and dads , we hope bringing up britain will also offer a unique window into the complex , varied and sometimes downright hard lives of young parents , and the many issues they are now facing in today ' s society .
next he was on have i got news for you , where the blokey all - male panel brought out his more epicene side and he started flicking his diva - from - a - ditch hair and rolling his huge kohl - rimmed eyes at jack dee and charlie brooker . he even stalked off halfway through to go to the loo , girlishly flaunting those bendy black pipe - cleaner legs . brand is like the hermaphrodite clownfish , male or female when it suits him . he ' s completely mesmerising at the moment , a self - perpetuating paradox : the more brand you get , the more you want . recently he has blossomed , dropping the big brother ' s big potty mouth shock - and - uurgh stuff , and relaxing instead into a more intelligent persona , bubbling with barmy eloquence , skipping nimbly between the gutter and higher things . fame becomes him .
she wants a university education and a career , possibly as a probation officer , and plans to use her experience to help other girls in her situation . she agreed to let her family videotape her agonising , 20 - hour labour as a way of showing girls the painful realities of having a baby , which in kizzy ' s case included an episiotomy that required three cuts and 80 stitches .
i ' d like to have seen some searching interviews with all of the protagonists . i ' d like to have heard some statistics put to them all about kizzy ' s and her baby ' s chances in life . 90 % of young , single mothers remain on benefits for life and children born to such young mothers are statistically likely to be underachievers in everything except crime . i felt the programme was just a bit too cosy .
i was pregnant at 17 , during the final year of my a levels . there was no way i wanted a termination - i did not see my age or situation as a reason to do this . the baby ' s dad did not want to know . i faced a lot of criticism for my decisions ;
you ' ve ruined your life
,
what a waste
and
i had high hopes for you
are a few commonly used phrases that spring to mind ! i ' m 25 now . my son is seven . he was also diagnosed with autism aged two and is in an autistic unit at school . i ' ve brought him up on my own and , yes , it ' s hard work , but it doesn ' t mean your life is over . i went to university , got a first degree in film and media and am now managing media relations and pr for a political campaigning organisation in london . i bought my first house at 22 and have just completed a part - time masters degree . i resent being classed as another statistic . what is
right
for some people may not be right for others . i ' ve lived my life the unconventional way , but don ' t regret a second . teenage , single mums have so much on their plate and have to work a lot harder to achieve their dreams . they should be given the credit they ' re due . it ' s hard doing it on your own , but in no way does it mean your life is over .
i caught a few minutes of it while tidying up before going up the wooden hill to bedfordshire . very interesting stuff from the bits i saw . the father ' s gran was terrifying , and refusing to acknowledge that her boy could have any responsibility .
kids having kids
is part of life nowadays , but not a good thing . compulsory and detailed sex , moral and relationship education is needed . kizzy seemed quite sensible from what i saw of her , but she ' s in for a tough time , and her son will have a difficult start to his life .
sadly , that is so true ! i belong to aa . many years ago , this one woman mentioned her 16 / year - old daughter was pregnant . she had been living with her father and stepmother . father and stepmom made it very clear they were not going to have a knocked - up teenager living with them . the girl refused an abortion so she moved into her mom ' s place , an apartment complex for welfare cases . i was stunned when all of the women in the room were crowing how this woman was going to be a grandmoo . many of the female aa ' ers at the meeting were not single moos or welfare cases . i did not understand how
lights , camera , harp glissando - the royal variety performance was upon us again . which meant : dame kiri te kanawa making cow eyes up at the royal box while singing the national anthem , acrobats balancing on ikea shelves , gruesome twosome katherine jenkins and darcey bussell out - hoofing one another , joan rivers accidentally swearing and offering her neck up to the queen (
go on , slice it !
) - oh , and seal singing
lucy in the sky with diamonds
backed up by a whirling , gurning dog ' s dinner of dancing boys and girls , fireworks and stiltwalkers . the variety performance is so naff it has almost gone full circle and become cool again . every year it dies of overkill and comes back stronger .
this is not a new problem . growing up in a small town , there were many girls who became pregnant in our regional high school , some younger than kizzy . what they did do is integrate them into the high school , paying attention to their special needs , rather than sending them away as they would have in my parents ' day . they got the support they needed to finish school with a trade or prepared for college . there were various reasons they were pregnant , but seeing someone my age heavily pregnant in the cafeteria line was a sobering experience for me and spoke more for contraception than the dry lectures in sex education classes given by the gym teachers .