cemetery without crosses ( french : une corde ... un colt ... , italian : cimitero senza croci ) , also known as the rope and the colt , is a 1969 french-italian spaghetti western film by robert hossein , its director , co-screenwriter and star .

cemetery without crosses

the success of these films also led to hossein obtaining the financing for cemetery without crosses .
cemetery without crosses is now available on blu - ray and dvd combo pack from arrow video .
the rope and the colt ( cemetery without crosses ) ( une corde , un colt . . . )
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trailer - original trailer for cemetery without crosses . in italian , with optional english subtitles . ( 4 min ) .
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cemetery without crosses . i ' m like it very well done movie . i ' m a western and spaghetti western fan .
the rope and the colt ( cemetery without crosses ) ( une corde , un colt . . . ) ( 1969 ) - rotten tomatoes
arrow video usa gives the deluxe treatment to the long - neglected french escargot western cemetery without crosses on blu - ray / dvd combo .
cemetery without crosses aka
the rope and the colt
aka
une corde , un colt . . .
aka
cimitero senza croci
[ blu - ray ]
cemetery of crosses spares few words and relies instead on stylish action sequences and elegant , atmospheric cinematography to achieve its ends .
if you ' re content to watch a french - italian western that doesn ' t star clint eastwood or lee van cleef , then perhaps you might like
cemetery without crosses .
a disappointment , yes . but , strangely appealing .
grotesque rabbit stew . split - second shootouts . endlessly spinning roulette wheel . scavenging a frying pan from the ashen remains of a burnt house . the world is a cemetery without crosses , a place of living dead just waiting to be buried .
this week at the b - movie clubhouse arrow us has been nice and given us some dvds so i picked and french / italian western from 1969 called cemetery without crosses ( aka the rope and the colt / une corde , un colt ) .
cemetery without crosses
has plenty of crosses in the cemetery . this is what i would call a minimalist
spaghetti western
. simple revenge kidnapping story , with minimal dialog . i really would have liked to see the characters and screenplay developed a bit further . the editing , which is rather choppy , makes this seem more like loosely connected vignettes . the stunt work is some of the most unconvincing i have ever seen , and the blood looks like nothing more than red paint . a downbeat ending was somewhat of a surprise , but overall
cemetery without crosses
must be considered as nothing more than a slightly better than average
spaghetti
. - merk
vincedeau : “perhaps most european , or french , in cemetery without crosses is the bleak pessimism that permeates the film . even granted the tendency for spaghetti westerns to focus on low ethics , venality and cruelty , hossein’s narrative paints a particularly dark picture . ”
cemetery without crosses — as you’ll note — begins in black & white , and as the credits for the film roll we find ourselves watching three men raising dust on horseback because they’re being chased by members of the rogers clan , a wealthy cattle ranching family .
cemetery without crosses is a darker breed of western , bleak and melancholy in tone amid the explosive set pieces . it also boasts an outstanding score by composer andré hossein ( father of robert ) and the catchiest of themes , sung by cult figure scott walker .
what a stellar ' pasta ' western cemetery without crosses is . it was a co - french - italian production and accents key features of the genre with delicate precision . nothing is heavy - handed and i found it an exceptionally well realized story impressively shot by henri persin . the arrow
inspired by the international success of the dollars trilogy , and dedicated to director sergio leone , cemetery without crosses offers a gallic spin on the spaghetti western formula thanks to its star and creator , robert hossein ( best - known to english - speaking audiences for his role in jules dassin s rififi ) .
it’s not leone - esque , not a typical “spaghetti” western , if it even in fact is one . nor does cemetery without crosses draw from the american style . it’s a unique and rare movie that is if nothing else a unique cinematic statement and a rare chance to indulge in a rare french quinine .
interview with robert hossein - in this short archival interview , robert hossein quickly explains what inspired him to shoot cemetery without crosses . the interview was conducted for the french television program cote d ' azur actualites , and first broadcast on april 17th , 1968 . in french , optional english subtitles . ( 3 min ) .
and dedicated to sergio leone , cemetery without crosses presents a gallic spin on the spaghetti western and succeeds largely on the strength of hossein ' s ability to weave together an overwhelming sense of melancholy with explosive set pieces and andre hossein ' s stellar original scre along with scott walker ' s tremendously effective theme song . hossein shares writing credit for the film with claude desailly , though dario argento is also noted as having involvement with the film ' s script ( note : hossein has stated that argento contributed not more than a couple dozen lines to the script ) . originally released under the title the rope and the colt , cemetery without crosses is a true tribute to leone ' s films and hossein deserves credit for having crafted a film that remains faithful to leone ' s ability to create emotional resonance and outstanding set pieces . cemetery without crosses feels authentic and , if you surrender yourself to it , it will linger in your psyche long after the closing credits .
arrow video sheds clarifying light on dario argento’s elusive and hallucinatory deep red , without compromising the film’s unnerving bottomlessness .
cox also said that cemetery was “the one film to prove that the italian western was not solely sergio leone’s . ”
cemetery without crosses ( u . s . a . ) | cimitero senza croci ( italy ) | una cuerda , un colt ( spain ) | friedhof ohne kreuze ( germany ) | haudat vailla nimeä ( finland ) | cemitério sem cruzes ( brazil ) | kato apo ton ourano tou texas ( greece ) | the rope and the colt | death valley gunfighters
cemetery without crosses is a fairly typical “spaghetti” western revenge scenario , but what is different is that the movie shows revenge to be a fruitless endeavor that has consequences and a high price to be paid ; the heroes don’t just lose their way and ultimately their lives , but also their very humanity . it’s one of the most morally conscionable the genre ever had to offer .
at the heart of cemetery without crosses is a desire to evoke a pitch black response to life at the limits . there are no goodies or baddies in this , just mystery and the grim realisation that most character’s fates have probably already been mapped long ago . the philosophical nature of the work lends it an authoritative air , and offers a rewarding – if uncomfortable – watch .
cemetery — which features great cinematography by henri persin — also features an evocative background score by hossein’s father , composer andré hossein .
location report - presented here is an extract from the french television program cinema with raw footage from the shooting of cemetery without crosses as well as clips from archival interviews with robert hossein , michele mercier ( maria caine ) , and serge marquand ( larry rogers ) . the episode was first broadcast on february 29th , 1968 . in french , with optional english subtitles . ( 8 min ) .
we here at night flight hq consider ourselves lucky then , all these decades later , to be able to see cemetery without crosses today , and have arrow films / arrow videos to thank for it being so lovingly restored and treated with the utmost respect ; now we can all decide for ourselves where hossein’s film should be placed in the pantheon of all the great spaghetti westerns ( or “baguette westerns” ) .
remembering sergio - in this brand new video interview , actor and director robert hossein recalls how cemetery without crosses came to exist , and discusses his admiration for sergio leone . ( the great italian director shot the sequence in which manuel and the rogers are seen eating together ) . the interview was conducted exclusively for arrow video on february 25th , 2015 . in french , with optional english subtitles . ( 6 min ) .
cemetery without crosses is a grim but stylish tale of revenge gone wrong . that isn ' t really a spoiler since some of the first dialogue in the film heavily foreshadows the dangers of vengeance . dialogue is sparse overall in cemetery , and the film conveys more in a downcast expression or a black glove than a turn of phrase . robert hossein starred , directed , and co - wrote , doing a fine job across the board . it ' s not a groundbreaking spaghetti western , but it does deliver on its promises of clever staging , inevitable betrayals , and violent confrontations .
as prepared by the fine folks at u . k . - based arrow films , this blu - ray / dvd release is filled with arrow ' s usual extras that are far too often saved for blockbuster films . while cemetery without crosses may not be a blockbuster , for fans of spaghetti westerns it will unquestionably be one of the genre ' s finer examples and an inspired film dedicated to one of the genre ' s true icons .
cemetery without crosses — aka une corde… un colt… ( france ) and cimitero senza croci ( italy ) , among other titles internationally , including the rope and the colt and death valley gunfighters in the u . s . — is a french / italian / spanish co - production , a “baguette western” lensed at the height of the european western craze , and you’ll find it streaming over in our arrow video collection over on night flight plus !
as an actor , hossein was famous for starring in the controversial forbidden priests ( 1973 ) and the historical romance of the angelique films ( 1964–1968 ) , which numbered five , with his cemetery without crosses co - star michele mercier . hoessein doesn’t look like your typical movie gunslinger , not even of the european variety . he’s short , doesn’t look particularly tough or mean , his features are a little funny , but hossein is appealing and has a great screen presence .
there’s an interesting and perhaps apocryphal story still in wide circulation which makes the claim that sergio leone actually played the part of the hotel desk clerk in cemetery .
“he always had to be first to shoot . not out of a thirst for money or revenge… something else drove him to dare , to fight . by now , time was running out . there was no time to think , to live… there was only time to hate and die . a rope was ready to be tightened . a coffin was ready to be shut . a six - shooter was ready to judge . an entire desert was ready to become a great… cemetery without crosses . ”
the closing card reads “dedicated to sergio leone . ” leone was a big influence on hossein , though his presence isn’t felt all that much on the finished film . still , leone is alleged to have actually directed one scene unaccredited and appears in a cameo role . hossein had been cast as the sheriff in leone’s masterwork once upon a time in the west , but a last minute change kept him from the picture . one thing that cemetery without crosses shares with leone is that it an auteurist film , a rarity amongst the “spaghetti” western genre .
made as a tribute to the legendary sergio leone - who in the same year would make one of , if not his best film , ' once upon a time in the west ' - robert hossein ' s ' cemetery without crosses ' takes place in a seemingly desolate wasteland , it ' s protagonist a tortured gunslinger who lives in a ghost town and coolly puts on a single black leather glove whenever he is about to exact swift gunslinging justice against his foes . it is an unforgiving setting where unforgiving things happen and the characters are stuck hopelessly in the middle .
lead actor robert hossein became one of the few actors to direct a “spaghetti” western in which he also starred . the french - born hossein had been directing films since 1955 , and would go on to helm a well received version of les miserables in 1982 , but cemetery without crosses would mark his only foray into the western genre and he makes the most out of it . hossein added a unique stamp on the genre , creating such a memorable film that i would argue that hossein deserves a place in the top - tier of the genre just for this credit .
frayling — who has penned a number of books on spaghetti westerns — also writes , in his preface ( dated october 2005 ) to spaghetti westerns : cowboys and europeans from karl may to sergio leone ( originally published in 1981 ) that “dario argento… went on to co - write among others cemetery without crosses and the five man army before becoming the sergio leone of italian horror films , ” and so his calling argento a co - writer on the film seems to confuse the matter even more , and actually calls into question whether he may have been wrong about leone’s participation as an actor as well .
disc # 1 - - cemetery without crosses 1 . scene 1 [ 6 : 40 ] 2 . scene 2 [ 6 : 43 ] 3 . scene 3 [ 6 : 48 ] 4 . scene 4 [ 8 : 47 ] 5 . scene 5 [ 9 : 03 ] 6 . scene 6 [ 7 : 05 ] 7 . scene 7 [ 8 : 36 ] 8 . scene 8 [ 6 : 13 ] 9 . scene 9 [ 7 : 51 ] 10 . scene 10 [ 9 : 14 ] 11 . scene 11 [ 7 : 33 ] 12 . scene 12 [ 6 : 04 ] 13 . scene 13 [ : 01 ]
cemetery — a dark , sometimes melancholic spin on the spaghetti western genre’s familiar revenge storyline — feels like a french - language homage to italian director sergio leone’s dollars films ( the film is even dedicated to him ) .
cemetery without crosses ’s newly restored image is sharp and detailed , doing full justice to the gritty texture of robert hossein’s locations . one scene at a smoky saloon could have easily degenerated into unintelligibility with a sloppy transfer , but arrow’s preservation ensures that the shots pop with all the little set elements and wardrobe eccentricities hidden within the clouds of dust . it’s not a terribly saturated restoration ( with the exception of some incongruously vibrant blue skies ) , but that’s in keeping with the emptied - out vigor of hossein’s world . the soundtrack is hushed but exacting , and in general the dubbed voices ( one version in italian with dialogue by dario argento , another in english ) are integrated organically into the sonic space .
is likely to disappoint a fair number of eurowestern fanatics . haunted and defeated even in triumph , manuel by design lacks the commanding presence of the most memorable spaghetti western anti - heroes . coupled with the film ' s disinterest in action setpieces , occasionally long stretches without dialogue , and a tone that ' s astonishingly dour even by the genre ' s standards , viewers expecting a more traditional spaghetti western may find themselves without something immediately appealing to embrace . though i admire and respect
like sergio leone ' s westerns , the images in cemetery without crosses of the american west as a bleak and desolate place are what capture and hold your imagination while the story of vengeance plays out . also like leone , there is a recurring musical theme that heightens everything that goes on . it isn ' t morricone , but it has its own charm , a classical guitar backed by an organ , fits right in . overall this is spaghetti western with its own unique identity . instead of just men perpetrating violence , this film uses its two female characters as wielders of gun violence to pretty cool effect . in this film you got to be pretty tough , whether man or woman , to to make it to the classic conclusion .
ginette vincedeau’s dvd essay “western without americans , ” which accompanies the 2005 dvd release by arrow films , compares hossein’s directorial style to the then - recently released films of fellow french filmmaker jean - pierre melville ( particularly 1967’s le samouraï , and 1969’s le cercle rouge ) .
she also claims that cemetery “did respectable business when it was released in february 1969 ( attracting almost one million spectators in france ) , ” but then sums up its failings by stating “it left hardly a mark on film history , whether as a french production or as a western . ”
the extras are outstanding , including a 2015 interview with robert hossein , where he says that he was to appear in sergio leone ’s once upon a time in the west , but was under contract to do a film , which ended up being madame with sophia loren . speaking of leone , hossein says that leone asked to direct a sequence and that uncredited sequence is the outstanding dinner scene at the rogers’ ranch . also included is a fantastic segment from a french television news show that visited the set of cemetery without crosses during the filming , it is in black and white with english subtitles . in the news segment they interview hossein and mercier and also actor serge marquand ( larry rogers ) , who appears in a cast after breaking his leg falling off a horse , which is shown on the presented footage . outstanding release in both quality and quantity , if you don’t have it yet , pick up this masterpiece !
consider the familiarities . there is a bullying , patriarchal family forcing neighbours from their land and building a mammoth empire for themselves while ruthlessly eliminating anyone in their way . there is a second family , victimised and downtrodden by the former , who want revenge for the brutal killing of one of their own . there is a town , policed by a corrupt lawman , and populated by people filled with fear who are unwilling to stand up to the patriarch boss . and finally , there is a taciturn lone gunman , called upon to exact the revenge the victimised family cannot manage on their own . here ' s a storyline we ' ve seen countless times in westerns , both american and european , over the years and which can provide an entertaining , if somewhat predictable narrative . but , if you have popped cemetery without crosses into the old machine and are settling down to witness another conventional revenge flick , you will be mightily , and pleasantly , surprised .
hossein — who expresses his regret that he was never able to appear as an actor in any of leone’s films — met with leone in almeria , and it was there that leone filmed a dinner sequence ( providing one of the only moments of comic relief in the film ) which hossein then inserted into cemetery .
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the movie begins in black and white and slowly moves to color , though in the end it returns to its b & w roots . however , the movie is not about black and white ; as is typical of the genre , it is grey . there are no easy answers , even the “good guys” are not without stains on their souls ; the difference here is that it is more fully explored .
the “spaghetti” western is often dismissed as an inferior film genre , but that has been changing in recent years . there is a link between the celebrated art films of europe and the more “uncultured” westerns seen simply as entertainment movies . the cast is small , the dialogue nominal , volumes are spoken without the aid of words ; this was often a result because “spaghetti” westerns were filmed without sound to be dubbed into a myriad of languages . not just the faces , but the whole film has a naturalistic appearance to it . the camera seems to be always moving . the cinematography is often ignored in the euro - westerns , but was often bold and distinctive . the artistic touches are many , but i am always fond of the “spaghetti” westerns that wear their european art film ambitions or influence on their sleeves front and center as to better appreciate it .
illustrates the dichotomy between contemplated violence and actual violence . hossein’s characters are conflicted by their basic morality and the utter immorality of the actions they ponder ( and ponder ) . these scenes are portrayed using leone trademarks like close - ups of grim faces or eyes and accompanied by very dramatic music . eventually , all the characters choose violence , but not without long , long deliberation . this does have the effect , i came to see , of making the resulting violence seem more sudden and jarring . in truth , i found the film miserably / painfully slow ( and wondered why the film had such a strange title , which seemed to have nothing to do with the film’s actual plot ) until the final third , which contains some iconic western imagery and some very effective violence . the entire movie seems satisfied to be effectively leone - ish .
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the rogers family are rich and powerful cattle and land owners . the caine brothers - ben , thomas and eli - rebel against them and steal a shipment of gold coins . the rogers are used to settling their affairs personally and kill ben , while the other two manage to escape , although their house is burned down . maria , ben ' s wife , has only one wish : to avenge her husband ' s death . only one person will help her to achieve this end : manuel , a lonely gunfighter who accepts to help her due to his past relationship with maria and ben . manuel decides to kidnap diana , the rogers ' beloved daughter , and maria obliges her father and his three sons to humble themselves on ben ' s grave and ask for forgiveness . however , both the rogers and the caines ' plans for each other go awry . . . with tragic and deadly results .
he always had to be first to shoot . not out of a thirst for money or revenge . . . something else drove him to dare , to fight .
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released : january 25 , 1969 ( france ) starring : michèle mercier , robert hossein and guido lollobrigida hossien stars as a leather - clad killer , drawn into a tragic kidnap / murder plot by his former flame michelle mercier . an almost totally visual film with perhaps not more than two dozen lines of dialogue .
ramon il messicano ( 13 . 11 . 1966 ) [ maurizio predaux ] ita . avi
une corde , un colt 1968 - de avec robert hossein , complet . fr
maria ( michele mercier ) , widow of the slaughtered ben caine and ex lover of manuel , is equally three dimensional . exhibiting equal quantities of despair and determination , she fills the screen with her stoic suffering . what is more , in a welcome break from spaghetti tradition , she is not here merely to pretty the place up . so often female characters in the genre are relegated to vamp or victim ; rarely being allowed to exert more than a superfluous influence on the heart of the proceedings . but here she is the driving force behind the narrative and a character of central importance .
lastly , the theme of revenge , while at the heart of the story , is questioned and approached from a very different angle to the average western . manuel states early in the piece that ' vengeance never ends ' and his words prove to be prophetic as each action causes an escalated reaction and the brutality from all sides spirals out of control .
all these facets make this film stand out from most of its contemporaries but that is not to say it doesn ' t contain all the attributes you would expect from a western of this period . it is gritty , sombre and violent , with fist fights and plenty of gunplay . there are bad guys and good guys , although the lines are a little blurred and there is enough pace and action on the whole to keep the most impatient action fan happy . there is even , i ' m delighted to say , a role ( if fleeting ) for lorenzo robledo ; a face that always makes a true spaghetti fan feel right at home . what ' s more , it ' s a role where he avoids getting killed or tortured too . and you don ' t see that very often .
the real difference here , and the reason this film sits among some of the genre ' s best , is the level of subtlety it allows itself and the questions it asks us . the characters are allowed to express real emotions ( albeit silently ) and the themes at play in the seemingly familiar storyline are given just enough of a twist to make us think . it is still a western and an action film . but it is a thoughtful action film ; with genuine drama . and that ' s a pretty good and welcome combination .
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film is dedicated to sergio leone who also directed the dinner scene of the movie .
sergio leone was supposed to play the role of the hotel desk clerk in the film but was eventually replaced by chris huerta . christopher frayling now admits that when he reviewed leone ' s performance in the movie , he was watching a very bad print , and didn ' t realise that he had mistaken chris huerta for sergio leone . however , he maintains that
everyone
he spoke to when researching his book on leone , claims that leone played the part for the cameras . if we are to believe
everyone
, then maybe leone ' s version of the hotel clerk scene was shot but not used , and instead replaced by chris huerta ' s version of the role .
dario argento is credited as a co - writer in most international prints , but has according to hossein nothing to do with the film .
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this western finds manuel ( robert hossein ) visiting his friends only to discover the husband has been murdered in a feud between two rival families . he promises the widow he will kidnap the daughter of the other family to avenge the killing . manuel manages to apprehend the girl , and the widow has the girl raped . she offers the young woman back to her family in exchange for a decent burial for her murdered husband . the family of the kidnapped girl rides into town for the inevitable showdown in this violent story of murder and revenge . ~ dan pavlides , rovi
hossein has clearly studied leone a lot , maybe a bit too much . the movie is trying to evoke a similar melancolic atmosphere to something like once upon a time in the west , but while
west
felt like an opera , this feels like a stage rehersal that drags out a bit too much . hossein ' s face is perfect for the material , but the rest of the cast is not particulary exciting to watch . not a bad effort , but lacks more strenght to become more memorable .
an anomalous
baguette western
( a term coined by alex cox ) from the late ’60s comes to home video , and it’s a revelation of harsh , melancholy fatalism .
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after her husband is lynched by bandits , maria ( michele mercier ) turns to manuel , an old friend played by robert hossein . initially reluctant to become involved , manuel soon infiltrates maria ' s enemies and forces a showdown .
hossein has crafted a film with sparse , intentional dialogue and devoid of distractions . it ' s a film where every sound seems to be another character , yet those sounds are often something as simple as the creaking of wooden planks as someone walks along or the sounds of a gentle breeze in a not so gentle scene . it ' s a remarkably effective sound design courtesy of guy villette that weaves its way into marie - sophie dubus ' s patient , lingering editing and henri persin ' s naturalistic lensing .
hossein himself is tremendously convincing here as manuel , while mercier steals the show as maria , a woman whose emotions vacillate between hope and despair yet who is constantly compelling throughout the film .
well developed paté / spaghetti western co - produced by france / italy and shot in almeria , as usual .
after finally seeing this in a very good print i believe it to be one of the best of the non leone spaghettis . it ' s a shame that a lot of these forgotten westerns are only available in multi generation copys because it really affects ones perception . i originally saw this in a vhs dub that was just a shade above unwatchable . what a difference a clear picture and sound track makes . vintage 60 ' s spaghetti music and cynical noir like script . very simple , nothing
spectacular
but everything works and it moves at a good clip . good cast with the french leads and some spaghetti regulars . the scene where hossein plays the music box while brushing up on his shooting skill is a high point . every spaghetti fan should check this out . only available in a japanese import . great stuff .
this movie is great . how dare they give this a 6 . 2 !
only a different western . using the classic rules of genre . but who could not be reduced at this rules . because it is a gray , silent , precise story . like a mediteranean story of justice and revenge . because the meet of viewer with michele mercier and robert hossein has nothing with the memories about angelique series . because michele mercier gives a character , with each subtle nuances , remembering more the greek tragedies than a western . because the cinematography is great . and the story has a special flavor . a film a bout duty and love . clear , precise , special .
as others have stated , a minimalist western that has a unique look . the ' ghost town ' is awesome , the mood is downbeat throughout . unusual in it ' s over - all ' look ' . i liked it very much . it certainly is different from the norm in a lot of ways , the music is superb , the acting is good esp . hosssein ' s black clad leather gloved gunfighter . recommended for italo / euro western fans . not recommended for a new comer ' s introduction to spaghetti westerns simply because it falls far outside what would be considered a ' typical ' spaghetti western in execution / form & characterizations . the french influence is clear & not a bad thing imo . btw the rancher ' s blonde daughter is incredibly hot too bad she didn ' t get more scenes . however her role is pivotal to the film ' s course . i have this one in my collection & imo certainly in the top 20 euro westerns ever made . it is a ' horse of a different color ' however & not for everyone .
what may interest a number of viewers about this spaghetti western is that dario argento is given credit as one of the writers , though reports state that he actually had nothing to do with this movie . whether he was involved or not , the end results are really strange . there is some good stuff here - the movie has a great deal of atmosphere , from the ghost town set to even the interior of saloons . the musical score is also well done , whether the scene calls for something loud or something more subdued . however , the script needed a lot more work before shooting began . the story , what there is , moves at an incredibly slow pace . also , the story is frequently confusing right from the start , leading to a number of moments when you wonder what exactly is going on . if you are a spaghetti western fan of great patience , the movie does have some rewards , but even then you ' ll see that it could have been a lot better .
overall , this one was unexpectedly good . having seen all of leone ' s work , most of corbucci ' s , and a decent amount of lesser - known spaghetti westerns , i went into this one not expecting a lot . it has a great opening scene and is obviously well - written ( thanks dario . ) the main theme is a little different than other italian westerns . more similar to an american western in plot . i wanted to see a little more violence , but it ' s got a few shootings and the ones it does have are awesome . a little tame , but very entertaining overall . a must see for argento fans . 7 out of 10 , kids .
let ' s get one thing straight right from the giddy up . . . . . . . . . . .
rancher ben caine is pursued by several horsemen . they catch him outside his home , hang him and force his wife to watch .
they are the rogers family , rich ranchers who want his land and cattle . caine ' s brothers go seeking revenge , but return with gold , in payment for the cattle . the brothers are satisfied by this , and they leave . his wife , maria , wants revenge . she seeks out her old lover , a gunfighter named manuel . manuel tells her he does not believe in revenge , and he will not help her .
in spite of saying this , manuel goes to the rogers ranch and is hired to work there . he secretly sabotages their operation , stampeding horses and killing men . maria does not know he is there , and she still wants revenge . she kidnaps the daughter of old man rogers . her plan is to kill the men when they come for the daughter . caine ' s brothers show up again . when they learn of the plot , they go back to rogers . they reveal maria ' s plan , and return the daughter for more gold . the rogers men beat maria .
manuel goes to see maria , and finds her dying . after she dies , he goes back to confront the rogers gang . he faces off alone against all 4 rogers men in the middle of the street . he shoots them all dead . as he is turning to leave , he is shot dead from behind by the daughter .
, because you know , the french , is a late 1960s western done in the style of sergio leone but written and directed by popular french actor robert hossein , who also stars in the film . the leone influence is everywhere : in the framing of shots , the music , the storyline , the performances , and the stylized use of violence . in fact , leone actually “guest directed” a single scene in the film , and was originally supposed to play a bit part .
never adds up to more than the sum of its parts . while aspects of the film are fascinating , this is another example of the old saying , “it knows the notes , but not the music . ”
trivia footnote : although he is credited as a screenwriter on almost every version of this film , our old pal dario argento did not contribute to the screenplay in any way . writer / director / frenchman hossein claims it was a marketing gimmick dreamed up by overseas distributors .
the main reason to recommend this odd film—and i do recommend it , heartily—is the inspired cinematography by henri persin . though dealing with subject matter that is ugly , this film is very beautiful to look at and every shot is a well - composed painting . the film opens in black and white and after the credits slowly goes to full color . it’s an effective choice ; viewers get the impression of a history book full of early daguerreotypes being brought to life . at movies’ end , the image changes back to monochrome , as if the filmmakers are placing the events back into the past . i am not in the habit of recommending a film based solely on this one element , but as martin scorsese is fond of reminding us all… pictures ! they’re called pictures !
this dichotomy at the heart of the film is mirrored in the score , which is wildly erratic , jumping back and forth between overproduced , operatic superhero music and low - key , acoustic strings . near the end of the film , a main character mounts his horse and , as he rides , the music rises to fever pitch and we expect the character to don a crude superman a cape and to fly into the air . it’s that crazy .
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wow you were very distracted indeed . thank you for the interesting post . an interesting treatment of violence . did it seem more plausible or realistic ? i feel bad but i could never get into any spaghetti westerns ( unless silverado counts ) . i do love leone ' s once upon a time in america , though . not sure why i adore one of his films and can ' t sit through the others . this is unrelated but i was wondering if you ever read / taught / watched the prime of miss jean brodie . it ' s a little movie , not much visually but always sticks with me . i think things are going on in there that other stories don ' t like to talk about . it ' s so harsh . . . and good .
prime of miss jean brodie is a terrific film , certainly ahead of its time . it was on turner classic movies just last week .
cool , thanks for your take , jb . it makes me really happy to hear coming from an english teacher / old movie buff . it had such an insightful screenplay . i think jean brodie is the most heartbreaking woman character i ' ve known , and sandy one of the most important . i love that she cries at the end .
the fade to color / / fade to monochrome is very interesting . park chan - wook tried something similar for lady vengeance . on the dvd release you have the option to watch park ' s original cut , in which the entire film gradually fades to monochrome during its 2hr + runtime . a fascinating choice , indeed . i wonder why more notable directors have not utilized / experimented with this technique .
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the film opens in black and white as three men are fleeing a group of men , one of the men ben caine ( benito steffanelli ) , who is wounded separates from the other two and heads to his small ranch where his wife maria awaits him . the men who were giving chase are the rogers family and their gang . at the ranch , they grab ben up and hang him as the hysterical maria sobs as the grim spectacle unfolds . the father of the rogers clan will rogers ( daniele vargas ) says , “let’s go men , i want the other two caine’s , let’s go , ” as they ride off in pursuit of the other two men , thomas caine ( guido lollobrigida as lee burton ) and eli caine ( michel lemoine ) . thomas and eli evade the men , but perched on a hill above their ranch , they see it burnt to the ground . they return to find maria burying ben and go in and split the money they had stolen from the rogers , who in turn had stolen and sold their herd .
maria with her part of the money in hand , goes to a ghost town where a man from her past lives and she offers her portion of the money to help her get revenge against the rogers . the man manuel first refuses to help maria saying , “you believe in revenge , but i don’t . it never ends . ” after maria leaves the money and vacates , manuel who lives a lonely existence reaches into a small cupboard that holds a music box that contains a black glove , on the cupboard door is a photo of ben , maria and manuel . the glove is that of a man in manuel’s violent past , a man who lived by the colt , but has stopped the killing , but dons the black glove again , for love .
thomas and eli end up at the ranch of the rogers’ and are beaten severely by the rogers’ , until tomas tells them , $ 2000 to get her back . ” will allows only thomas to leave , holding eli as collateral that thomas will return with the girl . the rogers’ pay maria a visit and after manuel returns dianna to her father’s ranch he goes to get maria and leave for a new life together .
a man who has quit fighting , is asked by the women he had left , but had never stopped loving , to strap on his gun and seek revenge for his friend ben , but he does so mostly for the woman who had broken his heart when he had left and upon returning had found her married . manuel lived symbolically in a ghost town , all alone and living in a broken past of love lost . “i remember when you first went away . i shouldn’t have married ben . but you… you never came back . ”
a movie that has been in dire need of a proper english language release , and thanks to arrow video , here it is in all its blu - ray glory . the print used for the most part is outstanding , with the only issues being the generic hand - held opening sequence , which is due to the filming process and a few scenes where the scope of the picture is impacted because of the colors and background being impossibly vast and lacking a bit of definition , again partly the fault of the original process . the sound is superb and is synced properly . the film begins in black and white and switches to color around the 3 : 26 mark and remains colorized until the end , when it resorts back to black and white .


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the ots-38 stechkin is a 5-shot , double-action revolver , in production and service with the russian army since 2002 and russian internal troops since 2012 , chambered in the silent 7.62 × 42 mm sp-4 cartridge .

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stechkin ots - 38 i remain convinced that this stechkin is a gas seal revolver . perhaps you can find a review stating that it is not .
the rimless sp - 4 silent ammunition loaded into 5 - round ots - 38 flat clip .
ots - 38 revolver , right side . hammer is lowered and safety is off .
ots - 38 revolver , right side . hammer is lowered and safety is off .
what won ' t they think of next . . . . . . . ots - 38 stechkin silent revolver urltoken most likely not be able to find one at bud ' s . . . . .
. the ots - 38 is one of the last designs by the late i . ya . stechkin , a famous russian gun designer .
ots - 38 revolver , top view with cylinder opened for reloading . note the most unusual way the cylinder opens .
ots - 38 revolver , top view with cylinder opened for reloading . note the most unusual way of cylinder opening .
it ' s a silent revolver , but it isn ' t necessarily lethal past 30 feet .
ammunition is rimless , it is loaded into ots - 38 using special flat clips that hold 5 rounds together .
the revolver was designed by igor yakovlevich stechkin , who was one of the most creative arms designers in history . he was essentially the q of kgb and gru , designing machine pistols that actually look like pistols as well as cigarette lighter derringers and of course the ots - 38 that bears his name . stechkin died a year before his revolver made it to the production line .
i remain convinced that this stechkin is a gas seal revolver . perhaps you can find a review stating that it is not .
this compact double - action revolver was designed by the late igor lakovlevich stechkin . try to pronounce that name with a gut full of vodka . this little baby uses a system similar to the nagant revolver - the cylinder moves forward when the gun is cocked , tightening the seam between barrel and cylinder . and the ots - 38 uses specially designed 7 . 62x42mm silent ammo . the reduced volume of gases expended with the discharge of the ots - 38 makes for a very quiet gun and extreme accuracy .
stechkin’s ots - 38 was built by the tskib soo ( central bureau for sporting and hunting arms , a division of famous kbp organization , located in tula , russia ) on request from russian fsb ( federal security service ) .
smith & wesson . 38 double action revolver decorated by tiffany & co . for the colombian exposition of 1893 .
ots - 38 revolver , left side . note that hammer is cocked and locked by manual safety . the button that controls built - in laser sight is visible above the trigger guard .
designed by igor stechkin , manufactured by the kbp instrument design bureau c . 2002 - today .
the ots - 38 ( оц - 38 ) revolver is one of the most unusual revolvers ever made . it was developed by the tskib soo ( central bureau for sporting and hunting arms , a division of the famous kbp organization , located in tula , russia ) by request from the russian fsb ( federal security service ) . because of its specific nature , ots - 38 is a limited production item , and is being used by various special purpose law enforcement units . the ots - 38 is an integrally silenced weapon , which produces almost no sound and absolutely no flash upon firing . it is built as an alternative to the pss silent pistol , and uses the same special , integrally silenced ammunition , known as sp - 4 . the ots - 38 is one of the last designs produced by the late i . ya . stechkin , the famous russian gun designer .
ots - 38 revolver , left side . note that hammer is cocked and locked by a manual safety . the button that controls the built - in laser sight is visible above the trigger guard .
the ots - 38 ( оц - 38 ) revolver is one of most unusual revolvers ever made . it was developed by the tskib soo ( central bureau for sporting and hunting arms , a division of famous kbp organization , located in tula , russia ) on request from russian fsb ( federal security service ) . because of its specific nature , ots - 38 is a limited production item , and it is being used by various special purpose law enforcement units . the ots - 38 is an integrally silenced weapon , which produces almost no sound and absolutely no flash upon firing . it is built as alternative to
they also don ' t cycle the special
plunger bullet
ammunition that this revolver fires . technically , the revolver isn ' t silent , the ammo is ! the advantage is that it is practically
silent
, whereas suppressors of the time were quiet but still plenty audible within a building .
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that is about the only thing that makes no sense to us in the design of the ots - 38 stechkin . it has been said that this has to do with the nature of the cartridge cases and alignment with the barrel that is mounted in line with the bottom chamber of the cylinder .
no the nagant uses a cylinder that cams onto the barrel to close the cylinder gap and seal in propellant gasses . the ots - 38 uses special cartridges that seal in the propellant .
a very interesting design brought to us by the stechkin automatic pistol guy , the ots - 38 was developed from an earlier model designed for vietnam tunnel rats , which fired tungsten birdshot rounds for some reason . this revolver’s rounds are only similar in that they are completely silent , using a low amount of gunpowder located behind a piston inside the case , meaning no gas is actually released when firing the gun , producing no sound or muzzle flash . the gun itself being a revolver also means no spent cartridges can be heard dropping on the floor .
. noiseless and flameless shot is made due to special sp - 4 cartridges with power gases localized in the case . the ots - 38 revolver can be rightfully called noiseless , since the noise level when making a shot and dry firing is practically identical .
the similarity between 7 . 62x38r and the crimp on the stechkin cartridge , coupled with the wide gap behind the cylinder convinced me that this revolver is , indeed , of the gas seal design .
it’s called the ots - 38 stechkin revolver , and it fires from the bottom cylinder like a chiappa rhino in order to provide a much lower bore axis . this allows the revolver to transfer the recoil into the center of the shooter’s hand , more in line with the muscles of the shooter’s forearm . it has an integral laser sight where the barrel would normally appear on a revolver , and as we mentioned in the introductory sentence , it has a safety that blocks the hammer when cocked in order to deliver a single action first shot .
thanks , i hadn ' t found that review before . given that , now that we have a modern remake of the welrod , it would be interesting to see it tested against the ots - 38 .
would like to know more about the
silent
ammunition . looks like it fires just from the power of the primer .
nosorog revolver , 9mm makarov . only revolver i know of besides the mateba that has the bore aligned with the bottom chamber in the cylinder .
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to 38 special as a nagent 32 caliber revolver . i am not sure a 1858 remington 45 back powder with percussion caps would be a better gun to have in a fight ,
the sp4 round is a silent piston design . no gas is released , and the projectile is subsonic . it ' s no comparison to even a silenced 22lr . the loudest sound would be the hammer falling on the firing pin . the welrod fired at 73db , the ots - 38 is guaranteed to be quieter because it has no escaping gas at all .
interesting . i suppose a silent firearm would be useful if you didn ' t have the element of surprise & are out of reaching distance .
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udar revolver . chambered for 12 . 3x50r and 12 . 3x22r . they made a smaller revolver that was basically the same design , but chambered for 9mm makarov .
i like it . finally a lefty friendly revolver that ' s not a charter .
the pre - cocked hammer can be set on manual safety . this enables to carry the revolver with a cocked hammer . the provided safety eliminates accidental discharge with the cylinder open or not fully closed , with the revolver dropped or struck . due to barrel location beneath the cylinder , the shooter’s hand is steady at the moment of firing providing the best accuracy and deliverable rate of fire . the ots - 38 also features an optional integral
in this stechkin , even though headspace may not be perfect , i don ' t doubt that the gun can be fired without the clip , but it may not be as reliable .
this revolver is a silent weapon . the effective range of fire is 50m . the fired cases are kept in the cylinder thus ensuring the absence of sound of fire . the cartridge employs a captive piston so there is no flash or loud report upon discharge .
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as said above , ots - 4 is fitted with integral laser sight . it is also fitted with traditional fixed iron sights , that have contrast white inserts .
“so i flicked off the safety of my suppressed snub - nosed revolver and emptied five rounds of 7 . 62 into the target , each one so silent that you would have thought i was dry - firing the gun . i had a spare moon clip of 7 . 62 ready to go . ”
ots - 38 resembles a traditional double - action revolver but it has many uncommon features . for the start , it has a more or less common exposed hammer with double - action trigger , but the action fitted with ambidextrous manual safety which allows for safe
cocked & locked
carry , for fast and accurate first shot . next , the ots - 38 fires from the bottom chamber of the cylinder , as opposed to most revolvers that fire from upper chamber . therefore , the barrel axis of ots - 38 is relatively low and muzzle jump is minimal . the large cylindrical housing , located above the barrel of ots - 38 , contains an integral laser pointer / sight . the cylinder fixture is also of most unusual nature . the cylinder axis is hinged to the frame at the front , so once cylinder release ( at the left side of the frame ) is pushed forward , the cylinder can be swung open to the right and forward ( while on most modern revolvers cylinders are swung down and to the left ) . upon the opening of the cylinder , an automatic ejector partially withdraws the clip with rounds ( or empty cases ) from cylinder . this unusual cylinder mounting is essential to provide minimum play between the firing chamber in cylinder and barrel throat , since the sp - 4 bullets are of pure cylinder shape , and thus cannot self - align itself with the barrel upon firing , unlike most conventional bullets that have conical or ogive nose shape . since
yeah
law enforcement
lol i like it . finally a lefty friendly revolver that ' s not a charter .
i have not come across a similar revolver so far . to say exceedingly interesting is an understatement . very ingenious too .
weapon gun firearm revolver handgun pistol double action swing out smith wesson 1978 . 44 . 44 magnum american america united states usa
weapon gun firearm american america united states usa ww1 pistol handgun revolver double action swing out . 45 . 45acp smith wesson 1917
the quiet knight is a primary weapon for the stealth class in blitz brigade . it is based on the russian ots - 38 and has an integrated suppressor . it does average damage for a stealth weapon , more than the heisenberg 9 , and is silenced just like most of the other weapons for the stealth . it also has a decent rate of fire and critical chance .
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edit : the problem with these silent guns though is that no matter how quiet they are , you could still be left with a screaming target . check out the field manual on sentry removal , none of the techniques illustrated involve firearms .
jesse mccree’s revolver is double action . for those of you have no idea what that means ( which is probably half the fandom , let’s be honest , so don’t feel bad ) , a single action revolver requires that the hammer be pushed back down after every single shot . think of any old western with the main hero’s revolver . he / she hits the hammer after every single shot .
weapon gun firearm pistol handgun revolver british great britain united kingdom uk english england double action holland and holland h & h . 577 manstopper oddity antique 1870
also not to mention that
silent
guns don ' t really exist , screaming target or no , because without alternative methods of propulsion , even suppressors produce over 120 db , and would be heard , but are more used to prevent exact locations from being determined from sound .
i didn’t know this gun until today , although i can say that its system was known during the late 70s or the early 80s at least ( i cannot remember on what type of firearm at this time , regretfully , but it seems to me it was used to propel some darts or explosive arrows ) . however , you’ll find a very similar system conceived to arm the powerful spring of a british silent spring antitank rocket launcher designed in 1942 , and named piat ( standing for “projector , infantry , anti tank” ) . the spring of this rocket launcher could be armed by a piston itself powered by the gas of a blank cartridge ( a 32 acp is my recollection is good ) . once the spring was thus armed , then it could be released by an all ordinary trigger , so as to push a bomb very similar to a mortar shell ( see urltoken ) . otherwise , i doubt this stechkin silent revolver could be a really efficient weapon capable to kill or even seriously wound an opponent with a single shot .
the revolver is not silenced and gas seal is of little consequence because it is the cartridge that is silenced using a piston / self - seal mechanism .
good question ! it ' s too complicated and , when firing double action , it adds a lot of effort to the already long trigger pull . you are also stuck with the limited ammo capacity of a revolver . a 7 or 8 round revolver in a respectable caliber , say . 357 , is a bulky thing . a 9 shot 9mm will disappear in your pocket . also , revolvers aren ' t more reliable than a modern automatics . this is coming from a revolver guy who prefers a wheelgun for hunting and plinking . i carry a 10 + 1 automatic in . 45 acp that ' s roughly the size of a six shot revolver for serious social purposes .
mp - 412 rex revolver . . 357 magnum , polymer frame , top - break action . made specifically for the american market , but bill clinton fucked us over again .
the revolver features a number of unusual features . the barrel is mounted below the axis pin , the cylinder pivots out to the right , and it features a manual safety catch .
unfortunately , we will probably never see this revolver or its ammunition available in america . it’s not that common in russia either , as less than 300 of these were made between 2002 and 2012 .
somebody pointed out that there was a semi - auto pistol that fired similar rounds , though i don ' t know how and can ' t click that link at work . either way , some cool firearm tech came out of russia , from these
silent
piston - rounds to ak - type rifles that worked under water and fired
harpoon
type bullets .
the unique crimp on the nagant revolver 7 . 62x38r cartridge has the purpose of projecting slightly beyond the cylinder to seal the barrel - cylinder gap when the cylinder is moved forward in the gas seal design .
the other thing you might be thinking right now is , “that sounds cool , but you said snub - nosed . i’ve read enough of your shit over the years about silencers and revolvers to know it can only be done on a nagant revolver where the cylinder provides a seal with the barrel to prevent gas leakage around the cylinder . so this is a threaded - barrel nagant - type revolver , right ? ”
in short , the “sealed revolver” idea , in actual practice , is simply underwhelming . that being the case , the nagant system is relegated to a curiosity - it ' s just not worth the trouble .
there is one thing all of them have in common that is ; they all really want the pistol to work every time when the need it . a conventional revolver is more like to work than any other pistol .
considering the gap between the cylinder & frame , and the similarity of the cartridge mouth to the original nagant revolver ammo , and the need of the cylinder to clear the barrel , the actin must work similar to the original nagant .
a double action revolver ( mccree’s peacemaker ) does not require the hammer to be pushed back down after every shot and functions almost like a semi - automatic handgun . this means every time you apply pressure to the trigger , a bullet is coming out .
manufactured by holland and holland in england c . 1870 at the earliest - serial number 455 . . 577 / 14 , 75x20 , 90mmr british revolver six - round cylinder , double action . you might have guessed , but this pistol is fucking huge .
why don ' t more revolvers use the sealed chamber and barrel system of the nagant revolver ? i think the nagant pistol is probably one of the ten worst mass produced pistols of the last 150 years . we can tell you have never fired one .
luxurious twenty shot double action pinfire revolver with carved ebony grips , double barrels and folding trigger . the cylinder has two rows of ten chambers . the hammer alternatively strikes the pins of the cartridges in the upper and lower rows , firing through the respective barrel .
i get your point about the cylinder having to move back to allowed it to swing in and out without fouling the barrel but still doubt that it uses nagant type breech sealing . the comments by ` cheaper than dirt ` are clearly in error anyway as they state that the cylinder moves forward when the gun is cocked - check the photograph above and you ` ll see that the cylinder is forward with the revolver uncocked . a second point is that they state that the reduced volume of gases expended with the discharge . . . . . makes for a very quiet gun . . . . . . if any gases were expended the gun would not be silent . the cartridge is specifically designed to not ` expend ` any gases and therefore does not require the revolver to have any form of gas sealing . a third point concerns the comment in the full article that
the gun can be loaded with loose ammo or five at a time with a metal clip
. i think it may safely be assumed that the ` metal clip ` is an absolute necessity in order to fill the very large gap between the cylinder and the recoil plate . cheaper than dirt have no example of either the revolver or it ` s ammunition for sale and it would seem that they are commenting on the gun only .
the gas seal system functions best ( probably only , barring some novel chamber to cylinder sealing mechanism ) with cartridges that have brass protruding beyond the bullet which can be fire - formed to seal the chamber / forcing cone / barrel from gas . such ammo is not common , and if new cartridges of the sort were produced for , say , 38 . spcl , they would be noticeably more expensive due to the additional step in production .
i am certain that my reasoning will not convince all who hold other views . however , i will let them take up the matter of the revolver ' s operation with one of the gun ' s sellers in the usa , cheaper than dirt , in ft . worth , texas . their description says :
i ` m sure the cartridge used in this revolver was mentioned in a previous ifg topic . . . . what goes around , comes around i guess . for details of the cartridge used and other ` interesting ` russian guns and ammo check - out this link : urltoken . . . ges - e . html
smith and wesson model 586 l - comp in . 357 magnum with vz grips . a 7 round double action revolver with a ported barrel which decreases muzzle flip . this makes for a great conceal carry choice due to it’s shortened 3
barrel and squared ‘boot’ grip . manufacture - @ smithwessoncorp @ vzgrips photo taken by - @ john _ wizemans _ world
s & w was loading a captive gas cartridge in . 38 way back in viet namn . they were used in 38spl revolvers for clearing tunnels . i wonder how the atf will handle this issue since it is the ammo that is silenced and not the weapon . will each round require paperwork and a tax stamp ? they will probably just require the tips to be painted green and ban it . we will probably have to watch sarco , century and aim surplus for this one , but buds has class 3 license , so they might have some eventually .
the sp - 4 is a unique type of cartridge . it builds on the russian
piston driven
projectile design of older cartridges , and uses a
piston
to seal the gases within the cartridge . therefore , no gases escape the barrel when fired , resulting in a silent discharge . the piston seals against the case bottleneck . presumably the gases slowly leak from the spent cartridge over time . the amount of powder beneath the piston is relatively small , as show by the cutout images . the tip of the piston centers the trailing end of the bullet . the bullet appears to be no more than a slug of the wadcutter design with a brass / copper sleeve to align against the rifling :
also , consider that loading and unloading the nagant isn ' t all that easy . you had to pull the ejector rod out and then over . then you had to open a loading gate . at this point , you ' re using the same loading style as a single action revolver . that isn ' t popular among folks who want to be able to reload sometime this week .
the nagant revolver is an overly complex system with a crappy trigger . in order to make the cylinder move forward to seal the forcing cone , the action has to 1 ) rotate the cylinder to put the live round behind the barrel , 2 ) move the cylinder forward to seal the chamber , 3 ) pull the hammer back to the cocked position 4 ) allow the sear to release the hammer .
the bullet diameter is 7 . 62mm . the overall case length is 42mm . so it’s slightly longer than an empty piece of brass from your ak or sks ( 39mm ) , but unlike those rounds there is no bottle neck ; it’s pretty much a rimless straight wall case . the other unique concept here is that the cylinder opens out on the right hand side of the revolver as opposed to the left .
very interesting ! the under - the - cylinder - axis barrel is used by others , but i do like the way the cylinder swings out . at first glance , it seemed like there was a large gap between the cylinder and the recoil plate , but with the
half moon
system of holding the cartridges , it makes sense . wt they don ' t mention is the way the cylinder swings into the frame , but the side of the barrel is not relieved for the cylinder to pivot into the frame without hitting the barrel . since the revolver is silenced and a big source of noise in a revolvers is the gap between the cylinder and barrel , and since it is a russian revolver , and since there is such a vague description of the forcing cone , etc , i am suspecting some kind of gas seal design . it would be interesting to handle one !
but the ruger , being a single action , could use an ejector rod to remove spent cartridges , where the double actions could not - they needed the half moon clip to eject empty rimless cartridges . there is a shoulder ( as opposed to a step ) in revolver cylinders , and a 45 acp case would only go in so far . headspace may not be reliable , but this doesn ' t mitigate against the gun being fired at all .
i ' ve been making underhammer pistols for a few years now , along with two underhammer schuetzen rifles and a hunting rifle , as well as sidelock guns , but always in the back of my mind was that idea of marrying the short and long arms into one . i examined everything from the dragoon flintlock , the civil war era revolver with shoulder stock , the smith & wesson model 320 , but mostly the numerous versions that were produced as underhammers . finally , this summer , i dove headlong into the project .
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nice find vikram , very close resemblance to the mateba semi - auto . the link doesn ' t say how they seal the gas . personally however i don ' t think nothing can beat their own nagant . tc
i ` m sure it doesn ` t use the nagant sealing system because there is no need for a gas seal . there is minimal gap between the cylinder and the barrel - it fires from the bottom cylinder . what looks like a barrel at the ` normal ` location is the housing for a laser .
it does look like the ammunition itself , sp - 4 , is silenced .
three distinct applications are made from this design - the first obviously being clandestine / sof applications where silence is paramount . to this end , the russians designed the spp pistol for the ammunition . the pistol has a floating chamber with a 2nd buffer spring to eliminate metal - to - metal slap against the barrel and slide .
grumpy wrote : i ` m sure it doesn ` t use the nagant sealing system because there is no need for a gas seal . there is minimal gap between the cylinder and the barrel - it fires from the bottom cylinder . what looks like a barrel at the ` normal ` location is the housing for a laser .
that the upper housing is a laser sight and the firing cylinder chamber is the bottom one is quite clear from the provided description .
i am noting again that , as the cylinder swings out , if there is minimal gap between the barrel and cylinder , the right side of the barrel needs to be relieved or the cylinder needs to move backward , or else the cylinder will jam on the barrel before it can be swung out .
there simply is no reason to design a cartridge like that if the case mouth is not being used as part of a gas seal system .
i don ' t think that the
half moon clip
operates any differently than the originals did in the colt and smith & wesson 1917 revolvers , and that is to provide positive headspacing for rimless cartridges .
in this design , there is an additional advantage that was also present in the original 1917 design - they acted as a sort of speed loader . the original 1917 revolvers could have been made with a step in the chamber so the 45 acp case could headspace on the case mouth as they do in the pistol . ruger did that with their single action that came with interchangeable cylinders in 45 colt and 45 acp .
i see the large gap between the recoil plate and cylinder as another evidence of a gas seal action . i ' ve handled my brother ' s smith & wesson model 25 enough to know that a gap that large , much less the rebated rear of the cylinder , is not necessary for half moon clip use alone .
but i still maintain that there is every reason to believe that such a cartridge is designed for gas seal operation . and while you do have a point about the cheaper than dirt description , they sell more than enough nagant 1895s to know what a gas seal action is .
read vikram ' s post . it ' s
gas seal
only as it seals the gas within the case . the bullet is not driven by the powder gases , but by the piston .
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the ammo for this gun is really cool . basically a piston pushes out the ammo , keeping it very quiet .
well , yes , guns do silence you . no matter where you are !
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belgian takedown . . . then he heaves his body weight into the hips of the sentry while pulling up on the ankles . this technique slams the sentry to the ground on his face .
they ' re useful even if you have the element of surprise , especially since most modern suppressors hide muzzle flash . very effective if you ' re firing from an elevated position or from multiple angles , as the other guys won ' t know where to shoot at , let alone who to shoot .
a really quiet suppressed gun - bolt action 22lr rifle where the only mechanical noise is the firing pin - is doing 110 db at best , that is pretty loud compared to the above , especially considering that the decibel is a logarithmic unit .
you would definitely hear it - but in the case of these
assassination guns
, if you used them on a busy city street , the target will collapse screaming and as you say no one will have any idea where the shot came from , allowing the shooter to escape undetected .
reportedly the suppressor functions optimally within the first 10 – 15 rounds fired . for those who prefer dry numbers i can inform that the american oss ( office of strategic service ) , according to a document dated february 12 , 1945 , performed a measurement on noise from suppressed weapons to help evaluate their own just finished prototype , hi - standard automatic pistol calibre . 380 acp . all measurements are performed at a perpendicular angle 10 ft . from the muzzle .
from the document it can be seen that the average noise level of the welrod pistol was at 73 db , hi standard . 380 acp at 81 db and hi - standard . 22lr at 71 db . in comparison , a non - suppressed calibre . 32 acp pistol , has a noise level of 105 db .
if we look at more modern data , . 32 acp is quoted as being at 153 . 5 db , almost 50 db more than the value quoted in the 1945 report . this implies that the value quoted for the welrod must be significantly less than reality .
in order , the individual shots of the 5 - round string were measured at : 125 . 0 , 124 . 5 , 124 . 5 , 123 . 8 , and 125 . 0 db . the overall average was 124 . 6 db .
this makes it around 10 db louder than the best suppressed 22lr pistol , a very significant difference .
so it ' s just a big lead cylinder ? seems like that would be inaccurate .
the bullet is a steel cylinder , with a soft driving band to engage the rifling . accurate enough at the 30 feet or so range it was meant for , and effective against steel helmets or soft body armor .
also check out the russian s4m , it has similar ammo but is a double - barreled derringer . the short barrel and low muzzle velocity basically guaranteed that point - blank range is the only place where it could be effective , and as such it was used exclusively as an assassination pistol .
wikipedia has no pic , so i found one on google for you guys .
i ' ve seen one of these before , our old neighbour had one . : d
i live in russia , so no . one american couple that took pictures of everybody did , though .
a guy just showed me a link for the delisle carbine actually . $ 2500
they have a semi - automatic pistol which fires the same ammunition , the pss - here ' s a very good sadj review .
average noise levels of 124 . 6 db make it louder than a properly suppressed 22lr pistol , for approximately the same muzzle energy . the pss is however much more compact and easy to conceal , and its steel bullet is presumably a better penetrator which causes a more severe wound .
pretty awesome considering a revolvers ability to retain brass combined with a silencer for lower sound signature .
the webley fosbery was also technically able to be accept a suppressor due to its odd design , although i ' m pretty sure it was never actually modified to accept one .
trivia : fosbery won the victoria cross while carrying a pistol he designed himself .
so i ' m assuming it works like the 1895 nagant ? which is also russian . . .
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nope . in fact there is no silencer to attach to the barrel . the sound and flash of each round is fully contained within the cartridge case . inside the case is a piston . after firing the piston seals the cartridge’s neck . this eliminates the noise , smoke and flash by acting as a barrier after the round is touched off . in essence , each round acts as its own silencer .
this particular round was designed to be effective at up to 100′ and the sound signature is said to be at 110 db with no muzzle flash . it is a rimless cartridge and fed via moon clips .
“ah hah , but in the intro , you said it was 7 . 62 . that’s a rifle round . is this the only error you made ? ”
the principle behind the ammunition , however , was designed by the people who literally went to the moon , or at least helped out in some way . aai ( aircraft armaments , inc . ) corporation located in hunt valley , maryland , designed ammunition based on this principle almost fifty years earlier for use with the quiet special purpose revolvers ( qspr ) , a modified s & w model 29 that fired suppressed in the tunnels of vietnam .
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7 . 62×42 mm sp - 4 five - round moon clips , swing - out cylinder , six o’clock barrel , integral laser sight , double action , manual safety .
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…by the way , take also a look at the “captive bolt pistol” , invented in germany in the early 20th century , whose system is very similar too . urltoken
so , i’m not gonna be able to go down to cabela’s and pick up fifty rounds ? : - ) frankly , penetrating a steel helmet at 20 meters is quite commendable . i’ve fired . 380 rounds that wouldn’t come close .
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colt python’s in . 357 magnum with a 6
barrel : a pair of old school and high quality six shot , double action revolvers that were first produced in 1955 and discontinued in 1999 , the python is known for being one of the finest revolvers ever produced due to it’s tight lock up , crisp trigger pull and close distance between the cylinder and the forcing cone which greatly helped with accuracy .
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manufactured by s & w c . 1978 - today , engraved by jerome c . glimm . . 44 magnum six - round swing - out cylinder , double action , 6 . 5″ barrel with full lug , birdhead rosewood grips . a stainless finish variant of dirty harry’s model 29 . basically a clean harry .
if you look at mccree when he shoots , his left hand never goes near the hammer until he fans it .
what i’m getting at here is this…there is literally no reason for mccree to fan the hammer other than for the cowboy aesthetic that he holds so dear . and no , this isn’t him acting stupid or pretending to be stupid . it’s just his style .
the first retailed by wilkinson & son , 27 pall mall , london , no . 461 , circa 1855 , the second by underwood , 56 haymarket , london , circa 1870the first with octagonal sighted barrel engraved ’m . gen . l , cunynghame c . b . ’ along the right flat and signed in full along the top - strap , cylinder and foliate scroll engraved frame , the latter engraved with the serial number on one side , arbor - pin catch , blued safety - strap , trigger - guard , butt - cap with hinged ovoidal butt - trap cover , brazier patent rammer engraved ‘joseph brazier’s patent no . 750’ , gilt trigger , and chequered figured rounded butt , the metal surfaces overall finely decorated in indian gold koftgari flower - heads and foliage , the cylinder with symmetrical scrolling foliage , and in fine condition , london proof marks ; the second with bright fullered blade double - edged at the point and stamped with maker’s details on one side , hilt with white - metal mounts including guard engraved ' sir a . cunynghame from his son h . c . ’ , and natural staghorn grip , in original leather scabbard . 13 cm barrel and 20 . 3 cm blade .
designed as the second model hand ejector , upgraded c . 1917 to supply the us expeditionary force with standardized . 45acp guns during ww1 . . 45acp six - round cylinder , reloaded using two half - moon three - round clips , swing out double action . seen here with a neat ammo pouch and a cartridge box . not a colt m1917 , always second guess what you read on the internet .