southland publishing , inc. is a publishing company based in pasadena , california .

the company produces weekly newspapers , monthly magazines and affiliated websites throughout california and selected states throughout the u.s.

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, a smaller alternative weekly newspaper owned by southland publishing , which ceased publication in march 2009 .
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i applied online . the process took 1 day . i interviewed at southland publishing ( pasadena , ca ) in january 2015 .
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southland publishing , which was founded in 1997 and is based in pasadena , has media properties throughout los angeles , riverside , san diego and ventura counties and in five states . in los angeles , southland owns the pasadena weekly , the argonaut , arroyo monthly and playa vista direct with a combined reach of more than 300 , 000 readers .
southland is content to go smaller .  new times had a very good product that circulated extravagantly ,  said southland publisher david comden . but in the end , going head to head against the weekly didnt work .
the los angeles downtown news , which has been covering downtown l . a . for 45 years , has been purchased by southland publishing , an l . a . - based media group specializing in newsweeklies , magazines and affiliated online assets .
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what southland gets is insurance that no one else , namely riordan , can acquire the new times l . a . assets , which include the news racks and archives of articles . the antitrust settlement also gives weekly advertisers the right to cancel their contracts and go to southland instead .
the printer that just got fired by the l . a . weekly will make up for the lost business by starting two competing weekly papers of its own . southland publishing printed the l . a . weekly until two weeks ago , but will now offer its own citybeat in the l . a . basin and valleybeat for the other side of the hills .
ventana monthly magazine , our sister publication in ventura county , is largely direct mailed to homeowners with hh incomes of $ 100 , 000 . both publications are part of southland publishing , inc . a group of five newsweeklies and five magazines which include : pasadena weekly , san diego citybeat , the argonaut , arroyo monthly , new angeles monthly , verdugo monthly and life after 50 .
southland publishing itself was spawned from the sylmar - based valley business printers , which is owned by michael flannery , who is widely described as a conservative businessman who takes no interest in editorial policy . content is the purview of the left - leaning , 43 - year - old comden , who started out selling display ads for the san diego reader in 1983 , and later served as general manager of the sacramento news & review .
“it was key we find a buyer that understands and appreciates local newspapers , ” explains laris . “the immediacy , intimacy and personal relevance of the downtown news has been the cornerstone of our success . we have been a hometown paper . david comden and southland get it . i couldn’t have hoped for a better hand - off . with southland as the owner , downtown news will remain the independent voice of downtown los angeles . ”
southlands l . a . team will include newly hired editor in chief steve appleford , who lost his editing job with the old l . a . reader in 1996 , when new times came to l . a . and bought his paper for the sole purpose of shutting it down . one consultant is former weekly publisher sigman , who spent nearly two decades at the weekly before losing his job last year . southland also has hired away weekly editorial art director dana collins .
whatever the case , the monopolies are history for now . in cleveland , a new group bought the name of the closed paper and will restart it with much of the former staff . in l . a . , southland purchased the assets of the shuttered new times rag .
when it comes to print media , it seems nothing is forever anymore . however , i think i can speak for both my friend and myself when i say that we’ll continue to do this for as long as we can . so i’d like to take this opportunity to thank all the writers and editors over the years who helped shape this paper into what it is today . i’d also like to thank the ad reps who bust their asses every week to keep us afloat , as well as citybeat ’s parent company , southland publishing , for continuing to keep our ( physical ) paper in readers’ hands .
for now , it looks as though southlands entries will get by with slim staffing and relatively low salaries , as at the papers it already operates . it remains to be seen how the content will differ between citybeat and valleybeat . comden says he hopes to appeal to a younger audience .
“we’re purchasing a sophisticated property and are pleased to bring the l . a . downtown news into our family of media , ” said david comden , vice president of southland . “downtown los angeles has emerged as the most dynamic urban market on the west coast and its future is very bright . the addition of l . a . downtown news will greatly complement our coverage in greater pasadena and the westside of los angeles . ”
southland is dividing l . a . into city and valley segments . riordan plans to target upscale westside and beach neighborhoods . and the l . a . alternative press has expanded modestly and gradually from a silver lake focus and distribution area . theyve collectively learned from the experience of new times los angeles , which paid relatively high salaries to snare able journalists and competed with the weekly  and sometimes the l . a . times  for stories , distribution and advertising dollars .
but its difficult to see that mission clearly expressed in southlands uneven ventura and pasadena products . you get what you pay for ,  said one industry insider , who asked not to be named . its not very good at all . take the story in the pasadena paper , in which they essentially announced they were starting these papers in l . a . that story went on forever before there were one or two sentences in the middle that mentioned the new papers .
for the record , l . a . weekly management says that it left valley business printers , the core business of southland , for a printer with the technology to produce a higher - quality product . for years , the weekly attempted to escape valley in search of a better price . on two occasions , valley sued the weekly for breach of contract . the most recent suit was filed three years ago . valley sued for at least $ 8 million in damages , about the price of a years worth of printing . both suits were eventually settled out of court , with valley holding on to the business .
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the papers are scheduled to hit the stands in june , well ahead of another , more talked - about weekly headed by former mayor richard riordan . a third paper , based in silver lake , has been in business for about a year .
all told , a pattern is emerging in the roiling world of l . a . s alternative press . no upstart will take on the weekly citywide . instead , publishers hope to carve out profitable niches within the enormous southern california market via lower - budget alternatives .
 new times spent a fortune on staff and promotion ,  said former l . a . weekly publisher michael sigman , who is now a music publisher .  new times tried to kill the weekly head - on with the same demographic , just by thinking they were better and sharper and knew the town better . and that was a mistake .
the thinking is this : the valley has not been well represented newswise ,  comden said , in either the weekly or the l . a . times , the regions dominant daily . it seems like its gone backwards in news coverage . were hoping to reverse that trend . some 200 , 000 people voting for secession left an impression on my mind .
with a smaller circulation , hell offer lower advertising prices to neighborhood restaurants , for example , that consider the weekly too pricey . he also hopes to lure in movie and music ads and the weekly s legendary assortment of escort services , massage parlors and plastic surgeons .
and hell be assisted by the outcome of a government antitrust lawsuit against new times and village voice media , the nations largest chains of alternative weeklies .
if unfettered corporate capitalism had held sway , the l . a . market and the cleveland market ( of all places ) would now be locked up by new times and village voice media , which owns the l . a . weekly . the two chains had been competing in these cities , but last october , they closed a deal by which village voice media got l . a . and new times got cleveland and about $ 9 million .
an antitrust investigation ensued , because its illegal for companies to divide markets and create monopolies . the companies denied wrongdoing , claiming that no media monopoly had resulted . in the end , both companies paid fines and made the assets of the closed papers available for sale . it seemed an unlikely formula to fuel competition , especially because both chains had concluded that neither city could sustain two profitable weeklies . new times lost millions in l . a . both companies were struggling to be profitable in cleveland .
the other two alternatives will work with trim budgets as well . riordan , it seems , will rely mostly on freelance writers . the l . a . alternative press is virtually a husband - and - wife operation that cant afford top dollar for stories .
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as for riordan , hes pushed back the hoped - for starting date of his paper to the fall . hes talked of having his paper distributed free to homes in upscale neighborhoods  not exactly the typical alternative demographic . to attract advertisers , hes got to show that his deliveries will get past the security gate and the 150 - foot driveway .
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san diego citybeat is an alternative weekly newspaper in san diego , california that focuses on local progressive politics , arts , and music . it is published every wednesday and distributed around san diego county .
rolland has been appearing on the editor ' s roundtable , a radio show on local public radio station , kpbs , since 2004 . the addition of rolland and other local editors to the show ' s guest list led bob kittle , then editor of the san diego union tribune editorial page , and the editors of the san diego voice and viewpoint and san diego metropolitan magazine , who until then had been the show ' s only panelists , to leave the show . staff :
pasadena weekly was launched in 1984 and it covers community news on pasadena , such as city government , public safety , and events , along with opinion , arts , entertainment and dining listings , and a 8 - days listing with events scheduled for the pasadena community . it is published on thursdays and it is available only on newsstands located in the downtown area for free . it also publishes
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san diego citybeat is san diego ' s real alternative newsweekly publication . citybeat is published every wednesday with a weekly circulation of 44 , 000 . san diego citybeat has earned strong community readership by reflecting the diverse area it serves . the distribution area includes all of san diego county , from the mexican border in the south county , to oceanside in the north county .
city and community groups battle over a shrinking pot of federal anti - poverty money .
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la weekly is a free weekly tabloid - sized alternative newspaper in los angeles , california . it was founded in 1978 by editor / publisher jay levin and a board of directors that included actor - producer michael douglas . it is currently owned by voice media group , owner of
alternative weeklies
village voice , denver westword , phoenix new times , houston press , dallas observer , riverfront times , miami new times , minneapolis city pages , broward new times , and oc weekly . it is distributed every thursday .
has been the premier source for award - winning coverage of los angeles music , arts , film , theater , culture , concerts , [ and ] events .
the
, who served as its editor from 1978 to 1991 and its president from 1978 to 1992 . levin put together an investment group that included actor michael douglas , burt kleiner , joe benadon and pete kameron .
, a similar - natured bi - weekly , which had recently ceased publication .
won six first - place awards , including three by staff writer christine pelisek , who was honored as the city ' s best reporter in investigative reporting , hard news , and news feature .
staffers in 2006 that the new owners had grafted a cookie - cutter template for editorial content onto the publication .
internal cut backs have resulted in the paper eliminating the position of managing editor , letting go several staff writers and other editorial department positions , as well as cutting the entire fact checking department .
however , some of the cuts are likely attributable to philosophical differences with the paper ' s then - owners , who have since sold the chain .
former staff writer matthew fleischer said at the time that
as part of the company ' s ' plug - and - play ' management strategy , editors , writers and ad directors were moved from city to city within the chain , without regard for local knowledge . any old - school village voice media manager who resisted the metamorphosis was denounced as a ' lefty , ' a ' throwback , ' and worse . they were fired or simply fled .
now dubbed the essentials , that draws sizable crowds . in 2009 , former ' los angeles times food writer amy scattergood became food blogger at
and was later promoted to food editor . in late 2009 , the paper hired dennis romero ,
magazine , as a full - time news blogger . following the recession , in 2012 the paper added food critic besha rodell , a james beard nominee and former food editor of atlanta ' s
the paper won journalism awards before and after this transition , with two of its news writers , patrick range mcdonald and gene maddaus , winning the los angeles press club ' s nod for journalist of the year .
, ( helmed by veteran la - area newsman kevin uhrich ) and the argonaut on the westside of los angeles , and other print products in southern california .
l . a . weekly founder jay levin on the vision that started it all . l . a . weekly , december 4 , 2008 ; www . laweekly . com .
jay levin , joie davidow , michael ventura , ginger varney , bill bentley and big boy medlin ,
supported in the early days by tracy johnston and then phil tracy and a host of freelancers .
see l . a . weekly founder jay levin on the vision that started it all . l . a . weekly , december 4 , 2008 ; www . laweekly . com . ventura , varney , bentley and medlin had all previously been associated with the austin sun . see michael ventura , report from l . a . austin chronicle , october 2 , 1998 ; www . austinchronicle . com .
. . . stewart openly despised the weekly . and let ' s be honest : the weekly staff openly despised her . i don ' t think that is much of a secret to anyone in l . a . media circles . putting her in the news editor chair was like dropping a glowing load of kryptonite onto the weekly lunch table .
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local newspapers underwent shakeups last week , with one announcing major management changes and another preparing to increase its digital profile and offer buyouts to employees .
in addition , a historic weekly newspaper , the village voice , shuttered its print edition after 62 years and moved all of its operations online .
the biggest staff changes occurred last monday with the los angeles times hiring former yahoo ! ceo ross levinsohn to replace davan maharaj , who had served as both editor and publisher since march 2016 .
maharaj was fired along with three senior editors : managing editor marc duvoisin , deputy managing editor for digital megan garvey and assistant managing editor of investigations matt doig .
jim kirk , 52 , a veteran chicago news executive , was named interim executive editor . kirk served as publisher and editor of the chicago sun - times until last week .
“this is an amazing opportunity , ” levinsohn said in an interview . “the l . a . times is a bastion of great journalism . my aspiration is to draw upon the incredible amount of work that has been done here and broaden it . ”
levinsohn spent almost two years at yahoo ! , including serving as interim ceo . he also served as ceo at myspace , fox sports and rotten tomatoes .
in its own story on levinsohn’s appointment , the times portrayed the changes more like a purge than as simple staff changes , describing the three editors as being “ousted . ”
the article also confesses that the staff had suffered from “flagging morale after years of management changes on top of huge shifts in consumer behavior that have roiled the entire newspaper industry . ” the story also acknowledges that the paper has not been able to keep pace with the new york times and the washington post .
the shakeup comes on the heels of an investigative story by investigative reporter paul pringle and a number of staff writers exposing the double life of dr . carmen puliafito , who ran usc’s school of medicine , despite his alleged penchant for taking illegal drugs and wild partying .
puliafito was exposed after his 21 - year - old companion sarah warren overdosed on the date rape drug , ghb , at pasadena’s hotel constance in march 2016 . no arrests were made in that case . in fact , puliafito returned to huntington hospital six hours after the overdose , picked up warren and the pair returned to the hotel , warren told the times .
after discovering the overdose shortly after it had occurred , it was a year and a half before the times broke the story .
that led to questions about the officer involved in the case , who did not immediately file a report on the overdose .
but while those accusations were flying , some at the times were concerned about possible wrongdoing by editors in the newsroom , who many believed were holding the scandalous story for reasons unknown .
according to a story in the times , the reporters said they feared a possible conflict of interest with usc , which hosts the newspaper’s annual festival of books . the editors claimed that the story was of a sensitive nature and took time to review .
the newspaper’s human resources department cleared the two editors of any wrongdoing before they were let go .
the times is just about the only big daily paper in the region which does not belong to digital first media ( dfm ) , owners of southern california newspaper group , which includes the pasadena star - news , the orange county register , the la daily news and eight other daily newspapers .
dfm is seeking to reassign staff and hire more people to help all of their publications fulfill a “digital strategy . ”
according to the oc weekly — which is owned by another company — word of the pending changes spread in july after a memo containing that information was inadvertently left on a copier in the newsroom at the oc register by dfm chief financial officer dan scofield .
“it’s too early to say precisely how many people or positions will be affected , ” scofield’s memo states . “the goal will be based on the financial performance of the company as well as our ability to identify other potential savings . ”
previous cutbacks in the company have left small staffs at the papers , which already share content , copy editors and designers .
the memo states that management hopes to complete the buyout process sometime in september .
the company moved most of its san gabriel valley operations to a new building in monrovia last year , but the star - news has maintained an office in pasadena .
on tuesday , big changes were also announced at the nation’s premier alternative newsweekly .
executives with the village voice , the groundbreaking , left - leaning independent new york city weekly newspaper , announced they will shutter its print publication and become an online only operation .
the exact date of the last print edition has not yet been finalized , according to a spokeswoman .
owner peter barbey cited declining revenue from the print edition’s advertising as one of the main reasons behind ending the paper edition .
“when the village voice was converted into a free weekly in an effort to boost circulation back in 1996 , it was a time when craigslist was in its infancy , google and facebook weren’t yet glimmers in the eyes of their founders , and alternative weeklies — and newspapers everywhere — were still packed with classified advertising , ” barbey said in a statement . “clearly a lot has changed since then . that business has moved online — and so has the voice’s audience , which expects us to do what we do not just once a week , but every day , across a range of media . ”
the voice was launched in 1955 by norman mailer , ed fancer and dan wolf , from a two - bedroom apartment in greenwich village . at that time , the paper only covered greenwich village and slowly moved into other areas by the beginning of the 1960s . the voice has been a staple of the new york journalism world , producing as many big stories as it had launched powerful journalistic careers
writers for the voice have received three pulitzer prizes , with teresa carpenter winning in 1981 , and cartoonist jules feiffer winning in 1986 and 2000 .
wasn’t that it was printed on newsprint or that it came out every week , ” barbey said . “it was that the
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“14 pages , 19 articles , 67 ads . what should i wear to the # citybeatisover party ? ”
so read a tweet from medley of junk who , from what i can decipher , is big on fringe - right conspiracies and defending confederate imagery . they ( not sure as to medley’s gender , nor do i care enough to ask tbh ) were responding to last week’s cover , which featured a burning confederate flag .
i only point it out here because it’s not the first time someone has used the ol’ citybeat’s never gonna last or citybeat’s days are numbered chestnut to respond to us . hell , it’s pretty much carl demaio’s only comeback whenever we call him out on his nonsense . then again , he’s never been the most logical or savvy debater .
the quote above was from this column ( titled , “what is this thing ? ” ) in the very first issue of san diego citybeat on august 21 , 2002 . it was written by one of my mentors , david rolland , and 15 years later , the mission statement remains the same .
however , when it comes to contributors and content , there are very few holdovers from that first issue . ed decker’s acerbic “sordid tales” column made its first appearance and tom tomorrow’s “the modern world” brilliantly roasted the grossly inept , post - 9 / 11 bush administration . there was also an appearance from a spry music writer named jeffrey terich , who is now citybeat ’s music editor .
so yeah , sure , a lot has changed at citybeat over the years , but that “smart , bold and fun” attitude remains . i’m not writing all this in attempt to self - aggrandize or fluff our own feathers , but rather to point out just how much citybeat is the exception to the rule . just last week , as i sat down to write that issue’s “from the editor” column , the word came out that the village voice —long the exemplar of alternative news weeklies— was ceasing print operations and going digital only .
to be honest , the news hit me pretty hard . at the time the story broke , i was working out of the office of the city weekly in salt lake city . the editor there , enrique limón , is a citybeat alumnus ( longtime readers may remember him from his hilarious nightlife column , “the enrique experience” ) , and he was with me when his arts editor broke the news that we’d no longer be able to pick up a copy of the village voice from one of its signature red newsstands . we both kind of looked at each other silently and sighed . nothing really needed to be said . it’s as if we were both thinking the same thing : this is what we signed up for . we know we might be next .
but most of all , i’d like to thank our loyal readers . we’ll be having a proper celebration of our 15th anniversary in october with the release of our annual “best of” issue . leading up to that and continuing into 2018 , we will begin to unveil some new features and content . starting next week , we will begin with some early coverage of the candidates and issues that readers will need to know about leading up to the 2018 election . we will also be doing some smaller , reader service - type roundups of local news and issues ( it’s going to look amazing ) .
so rest in peace , village voice ( well , kind of ) , but to our local haters , i only have this to say : sorry , but we’re not going anywhere anytime soon .


founded in 1971 , icaro operated domestic passenger service under icaro express .

icaro air

registration details for hc - bsr ( icaro s . a . ) king air 200 -
registration details for hc - bsr ( icaro s . a . ) king air 200 - - planelogger
icaro air was an airline based in quito , ecuador . its main base was mariscal sucre international airport , quito .
this aircraft is ex - air france f - glzd , ex - air tahiti nui f - oitn , ex - air bourbon , and ex - air europa .
icaro – ? , 2011 air cuenca wasn’t the only blood spilled in ecuador this year as icaro also went belly up . well , at least , i think it’s gone . icaro actually applied to shut down on june 20 , but i haven’t seen any confirmation that it’s actually gone . i’m just going to assume that it sailed into the sunset by now . icaro will actually be sorely missed . at least , horny young guys will miss icaro a lot since it had lingerie fashion shows . don’t believe me ?
air manas was renamed to & had its first flight under the brand name pegasus asia . renamed back to air manas
eastern air lines ( 2nd ) – havana air ( swifft air 2nd usa ) boeing 737 - 8cx wl n277ea ( msn 32359 ) mia ( tony storck ) . image : 940753 .
icaro has registered its fleet in germany , citing the speed of response from the lba authority as a key advantage .
wow . that’s , um , interesting . adios , icaro , i think . if you actually are shut down by now .
so do you know when the plan is for icaro to shut down for good ? it sounded like it was just a lengthy process .
discovery air inaugurates flights between lagos and abuja using a b . 737 - 300
orange air , llc ( sanford ) is a relatively new far 121 air carrier located at the orlando sanford international airport in sanford , fl ( north of orlando ) .
the a310 was wfu some some weeks ago and is now destinated to air transat .
aviolet , owned by air serbia , using three b . 737 - 300 restarted operations
icaro is still in business after 40 years . it is serving only three cities from quito – coca , manta , and the galapagos . it withdrew from other routes when the ecuadoran government instituted fuel efficiency requirements for airlines . icaro could not afford to upgrade it’s fleet . it currently has 2 boeing 737 - 200 advance–17 airplanes , and several helicopters .
i am unable to find any recent info on icaro air that used to ( exist ? ) operate between mainland and the galapagos and allegedly were the cheapest airlines on that route . does anyone know anything about them , do they still fly , and if so where can i buy their tickets ?
air southwest – september 30 , 2011 wait , the mighty southwest has gone under ? yeah , not quite . air southwest was a little operator out of the uk with a funny story . it shut down because its primary airport went away . no kidding . air southwest started up to fill a void . when british airways pulled out of plymouth , air southwest stepped right in . air southwest tried to grow into a few different airports but nothing really caught on . in 2010 , it was bought by eastern airways . this year , plymouth’s city airport was shut down , and the original plan was to keep flying other routes . eventually , eastern decided to just throw in the towel on air southwest . eastern still operates , but air southwest is just a memory .
copyright photo : orange air . the crews stand in front of the first aircraft , former belle air mcdonnell douglas dc - 9 - 82 ( md - 82 ) n918av ( msn 49104 , ex za - ard ) .
icaro airtaxi via decio raggi , 393 forli , italy i - 47100 tel : 39 0543 - 31388 , 39 348 - 2206221 , 39 347 8825990 • fax : 39 0543 - 31388 email : ti . orebil @ ylfraci
air macau airbus a320 - 232 b - mcb ( msn 5352 ) nrt ( michael b . ing ) . image : 940422 .
eva air airbus a330 - 302 b - 16340 ( msn 1806 ) nrt ( michael b . ing ) . image : 940415 .
orange air strives to be a leading service provider of passenger air charter for commercial customers , us and international government agencies and us defense contractors providing the safest , most reliable , highest quality service and to be the most competitive 121 non - scheduled airline in the industry .
i think the biggest beneficiary is singapore airlines , which runs silk air on a bunch of these regional indonesian routes to sin and beyond .
joon ( air france ) airbus a320 - 214 f - gkxt ( msn 3859 ) lis ( ton jochems ) . image : 940724 .
italian air charter operator icaro aerotaxi is to acquire a citation vii to supplement its fleet of smaller citations . “we will catch another branch of the market due to its more comfortable cabin , faster speed , apu , separate toilet and greater endurance to reach the rich cities and markets like dubai , abu dhabi and for customers that want a stand - up aircraft cabin , ” says capt massimo bernucci .
air belgium ( 1st ) boeing 757 - 23a oo - ili ( msn 24528 ) lin ( christian volpati collection ) . image : 941392 .
there have been roumours around about marsans group buying air madrid , but marsans denied this statement about a week ago or so . . . cheers
i live in ecuador , and have not seen any news about icaro since the announcement that they asked to be dissolved in june , 2011 . the company did not pay all taxes due in 2007 and 2008 . perhaps the government is keeping them flying until they pay them .
ati - air transport international boeing 767 - 323 er ( f ) wl n395cm ( msn 25447 ) bwi ( tony storck ) . image : 940758 .
air mali ( 1st ) sud aviation se . 210 caravelle 10b3 tz - ads ( msn 184 ) ory ( jacques guillem ) . image : 941498 .
the charter airline received its air operators certificate ( aoc ) on june 3 , 2014 . on june 10 , 2014 it operated its first charter flight .
orange air ( flyorangeair . com ) ( sanford , florida ) is a new paper airline that is in the process of obtaining its air operators certificate ( aoc ) . the airline on its website is advertising as “coming soon” although no announcement has been made . the would be airline has reportedly taken delivery of the former spirit airlines ( n804nk ) and belle air ( za - ard ) mcdonnell doug ; as dc - 9 - 82 ( md - 82 ) as n918av ( msn 49104 ) . n918av was ferried from sanford to opa - locka on january 30 with an orange air tail logo according to skyliner .
eagle air of iceland – arnarflug ( 1st ) boeing 737 - 205c tf - vlt ( msn 20458 ) ( christian volpati collection ) . image : 941546 .
as azbuceadora said on # 1 , ícaro air went out of business a few years ago . urltoken would have told you if you didn ' t know it .
as a pilot program orange air partnered with the city of branson , missouri , and branson air express to serve the city as it is a major tourist destination from a number of cities across the midwestern part of the country , and a good point of origin to service an international vacation destination like cancun . after three months of preparation on may 6 , 2015 orange air started its first schedule service with 3 flights a week between cincinnati , branson , new orleans and cancun . the partnership with branson air express has been an exceptionally positive one and the projected numbers were met . now as we conclude this contract , begin the next stage of our plan .
quoting stirling ( reply 39 ) : maybe this is the opening air europa needs to expand beyond their current handful of destinations . . . . ? who else ?
was already starting , but air europa had already a history and a name in the market yet they chose not to step in . i hope they do start now !
bahrain air ( bahrain ) has suddenly ceased all operations . the airline declared voluntary bankruptcy and filed for liquidation on february 12 , 2013 . the airline operated a few days over five years and operated two airbus a319s and two a320s . bahrain air was hurt badly by the previous arab spring demonstrations in bahrain . the airline issued the following statement :
orange air ( sanford ) has announced that they are adding boeing 737 - 800 aircraft to its fleet plan and preparing to launch new destination routes slated for the fall of 2016 .
lufthansa italia – october 29 , 2011 this wasn’t so much an airline failure as it was a mercy killing . back when alitalia was in the throes of bankruptcy , lufthansa saw an opening . it already had a strong presence in northern italy with air dolomiti service to nearby munich , but it wanted more . lufthansa italia was an effort to start serving major business markets around europe from milan . the ultimate hope , i assume , was to end up taking a piece of the combined alitalia / air one and steal them away from skyteam for star alliance . it didn’t happen . alitalia / air one merged , but they stuck with skyteam . lufthansa’s air dolomiti is still a solid operation but the milan hub simply didn’t work . it was axed .
i believe that lh italia had a better brand recognition for star alliance than air dolomiti and has converted some people who were tired of the alitalia political craziness and crappy service perception ( whether or not that’s true ) .
orange air will continue to operate as a domestic and international public charter operation based in the sanford - orlando international airport . the orange air team will begin the process of changing to the new 737 fleet plan and preparing the new product slated to launch in the fall of 2016 . over the next six months we will phase out our current mcdonnell douglas md - 80 series aircraft for the boeing 737 - 800 aircraft and build our fleet on this platform .
“bahrain air held an extraordinary general meeting today ( february 12 ) at which the shareholders made the decision to announce the company’s immediate suspension of operations and to file for voluntary liquidation in accordance with the kingdom of bahrain’s commercial companies law .
branson airexpress ( branson , missouri ) has announced on social media it is expanding its relationship with orange air ( sanford ) and their mcdonnell douglas dc - 9 - 83 ( md - 83 ) aircraft ( above ) . the company is introducing four new routes on may 1 , flown by orange air ( all operated three days a week ) : branson - cincinnati , branson - new orleans , new orleans - cancun and sanford ( near orlando ) - cancun .
this is not a good time for air taxis in italy , with the country facing big financial crises but bernucci believes that the spring and summer will see an improvement . “the people that use private aircraft are still present , ” he says .
air cuenca had one leased airplane . it went off the runway and damaged the landing gear . then , the regulators determined that there was no repair plan and no source of spare parts ! so , the authority to fly was revoked . the plane was repaired and is no longer in cuenca .
nm operations were a little bit chaotic this week ( well also previous ones ) , with lots of chartered planes . they were using an air italy boeing 757 for transatlantic flights , with unanounced stops in for , as the fuel is cheaper there . also lots of delays this week . . . .
also the problem is huge in indonesia because there are so many islands , so ground transport is not an option . yet many people still choose to fly banned airlines like lion air , which has 200 fairly safe and new 737 - 900er’s . most of the other small airlines probably stay afloat using old 747’s on hajj routes .
i want to see what and how they are going to move so many passengers , reading from previous articles aena is doing a great effort to comfort the stranded passengers and working hard to get them on to other flights , being the holiday season and air madrid giving a damn for the fate of their passengers , i see some packed flights or chartered aircraft coming up soon . it was about time this happened and following the other posts in this forum , including the infamous video , it was just too much . yesterday i took my last photos of air madrid in costa rica and took a closeup of its tail secition in which you can see how flilthy the aircraft was :
the 737 is the perfect aircraft model many airlines are using to replace the mcdonnell douglas md - 80 series aircraft in airline service . the 737 is the established leader in the industry giving orange air one of the most fuel efficient , dependable and passenger - appealing solutions for success . exceptional versatility means that the 737 delivers a strong competitive advantage regardless of business model or market .
one of my best freinds from panama is stranded in bcn at this time thanks to this , i hope the spanish aac finds a way to help them out soon . on the other hand , what will this mean for ib ? i think this will allow ib to break of its sjo - pty - mad route and sjo - gua - mad into 3 separate routes , without any stops . also gives air asturias a chance to enter the market next year .
tonight , the spanish ministry of public works will operate a special flight to eze with one of the 6 retired iberia ' s b747 - 200 that were sitting in la munoza ( with a capacity of 470 passengers ) . it will depart at 2 . 30 and will do mad - lpa - eze . more special flights will follow . spanish airlines may help as well with stranded passengers , don ' t know yet the plans of iberia , but vueling has already offered their available seats on their scheduled routes . air madrid had 7 widebodies : 3 a330 - 200 , 2 a330 - 300 , 1 a340 - 300 and one a310 ( this one came surprisingly to mad last week apparently after sitting a long time in germany ) , they also operated 2 a319 for short - haul flights .
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it’s that time of the year once again where we review those airlines that had their wings clipped . last year , i said it was a pretty good year in terms of the airlines we lost . if that’s true , then this was a rock star kind of year . there were very few airlines that went under at all – this took a lot of sleuthing to dig up anything remotely interesting . next year , we’ll have some big names in continental and airtran , but this year , let’s enjoy the relative silence .
anytime an indonesian airline fails , i figure nobody cares . it’s a fairly regular occurrence over there , chances are it wasn’t exactly a safe airline anyway . this one was different . when mandala shut down in january , it said it vowed to return to the skies . how many times have we heard that ? but this time , it’s true . see , mandala is partially owned by indigo . indigo has a stake in a bunch of low cost airlines including spirit and tiger . yes , mandala may come out as
so tiger can get a foothold in indonesia . so , mandala is dead , technically . but it may rise from the grave again .
wataniya airways – march 16 , 2011 wataniya seemed promising in the way that anything in the middle east seems promising . it was sort of a premium low cost model with business and premium economy seating throughout the middle east from its base in kuwait . its base was something awesome in its own right – it flew out of a private terminal . while something this crazy could only work in the middle east , even that didn’t work . the airline lost a bunch of money and eventually was shut down , a mere couple years after it first started flying .
it is that time once again where i pause to remember all the airlines that flew off into the desert this year , never to take to the skies again . . . .
christmas is done ( though hanukkah is still raging ) , and that means it ' s time to focus on the end of the year . as i do every year , it ' s time to . . .
it ' s the end of the year , and you know what that means . as we do every year , it ' s time to look back and remember those airlines we lost . . . .
indonesian seems to be a place you hear about a lot of new start ups who don’t last , and that part of the world seems to have a number of acidents . it’s never struck me as a safe place to fly , and since the country is a bunch of spread out islands , you can understand the need for flying . is there any regulations at all in the country ? seems anyone can start an airline at anytime or anywhere in the country and no one cares .
mandala was hardly a ‘start - up’ having been around since 1969 . owned by interests linked to the indonesian armed forces until 2006 when it was sold to private investors . it’s safety record , though not perfect , was pretty good for a domestic airline operating into airports with limited approach aids in a mountainous country with tropical weather conditions . they were still operating electras and viscounts into the 1990s . bliss !
@ david sf “seems anyone can start an airline at anytime or anywhere in the country and no one cares . ” probably depends on whose hand is ‘greased’ ?
after pretty much every airline ended up on the eu blacklist , indonesia started trying to clean up its act . the problem is that they end up getting political . so they decide to ban old airplanes instead of doing a better job of monitoring maintenance . i’m sure there are other countries that are just as bad , but indonesia is so big that there’s just more opportunity for problems .
pretty much everyone is banned except airasia and garuda who flies cgk - dxb - ams .
my measure for when we lose an airline is when you can no longer buy a ticket on it . that should happen for continental in march when the two reservation systems combine . so i’m holding out on that one until next year .
a few more : amsterdam airlines ( charter ) , robin hood ( austria ) and albanian airlines .
regarding avianova , my personal opinion is that aeroflot and the [ putin ] russian government was behind the move to kill a very big threat to the national airline . in todays russia this could not be allowed . a pity and a big hit on russian consumer travel options .
doing business in russia never chjanges . investors have better and safer odds in las vegas !
ah , my favorite post of the year . pretty light this year . good / bad , depending on your perspective .
according to the houston chronicle , at the end of november 2010 , ua / co received a single - operating certificate from the received federal aviation administration , which the carrier called “another significant achievement in the integration of united airlines and continental airlines . ” urltoken
yeah but the continental name is still on some of the planes , and their website is still up and taking reservations .
no , i am with brett on this one . i have recently had some travel software try to jump the gun on calling my co # “united” for an example , and it just hoses everything up . even though the call sign is gone , co is still around and distinct enough from ua that it isn’t dead yet . furthermore , how do you decide which one is the dead one ? yes , it will be called united , but if i recall properly even the operating license is the co license just renamed united . it is the co management and largely policies in the important respects ,
lh has since beefed up flights and routes everyone through muc . so i think the experiment was somewhat of a success .
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on june 22 , 2016 vlm airlines declared it was filing for bankruptcy and ceased all operations . the closure came after the people’s viennaline announced it was canceling its acmi contract with vlm due to its non - performance .
copyright photo : vlm airlines fokker f . 27 mk . 050 oo - vlq ( msn 20159 ) lcy ( spa ) . image : 927865 .
contour airlines embraer erj 135er ( emb - 135er ) n16501 ( msn 145145 ) bwi ( brian mcdonough ) . image : 942603 .
lumiwings boeing 737 - 330 sx - lwa ( msn 25216 ) blq ( marco finelli ) . image : 942540 .
tame airbus a320 - 232 hc - coe ( msn 1339 ) fll ( tony storck ) . image : 941374 .
laudamotion airbus a321 - 211 oe - lcg ( msn 1988 ) ( airberlin colors ) pmi ( javier rodriguez ) . image : 941370 .
sierra pacific airlines ( 3rd ) boeing 737 - 5l9 wl n709s ( msn 28722 ) bwi ( tony storck ) . image : 941354 .
s7 airlines ( siberia airlines ) airbus a321 - 211 vq - bqj ( msn 2076 ) muc ( arnd wolf ) . image : 941037 .
smartwings ( smartwings . com ) boeing 737 - 8 max 8 ok - swa ( msn 43555 ) bru ( karl cornil ) . image : 941030 .
mauritania airlines international boeing 737 - 8 max 8 5t - clj ( msn 64299 ) bru ( karl cornil ) . image : 941029 .
lufthansa boeing 747 - 830 d - abya ( msn 37827 ) fra ( marcelo f . de bisi ) . image : 940915 .
loganair saab 340b g - lgnj ( msn 173 ) gla ( robbie shaw ) . image : 940890 .
dhl ( tasman cargo airlines ) boeing 757 - 236 ( f ) vh - tca ( msn 25620 ) ( jeremy clarkson ) syd ( john adlard ) . image : 940837 .
qantas freight - express freighters australia boeing 737 - 376 ( f ) vh - xml ( msn 23486 ) syd ( john adlard ) . image : 940839 .
tigerair ( australia ) boeing 737 - 8fe wl vh - vud ( msn 34015 ) syd ( john adlard ) . image : 940832 .
jetblue airways embraer erj 190 - 100 igw n304jb ( msn 19000257 ) ( blueprint ) fll ( tony storck ) . image : 940756 .
jetstar ( japan ) airbus a320 - 232 wl ja20jj ( msn 6381 ) nrt ( michael b . ing ) . image : 940430 .
royale airlines embraer emb - 110p1 bandeirante n692ra ( msn 110240 ) msy ( bruce drum ) . image : 104648 .
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lithuanian airlines boeing 737 - 524 ly - agz ( msn 26340 ) cdg ( christian volpati ) . image : 941531 .
pulkovo aviation enterprise boeing 737 - 548 ei - cde ( msn 25115 ) lhr ( spa ) . image : 924635 .
montenegro airlines fokker f . 28 mk . 4000 yu - aoi ( msn 11176 ) zrh ( rolf wallner ) . image : 941437 .
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turk hava yollari - turkish airlines douglas dc - 9 - 15 tc - jaa ( msn 47048 ) zrh ( jacques guillem collection ) . image : 941363 .
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copyright photo : paul denton . airbus a320 - 214 a9c - bao ( msn 4600 ) taxies to the gate at dubai .
the dc - 9 - 83 will operate in this sequence and then return : sanford - cancun - new orleans - branson - cincinatti .
urltoken before being forced to do so by spanish authorities , nm suspends all the operations .
wow , they yesterday said that they are relaxed and will get all soon in order , were the a / cs leased ? . . . at least some 330 will be in the market
quoting lhstaralliance ( reply 1 ) : were the a / cs leased ? . . .
the a330s and a319s will find a new home very quickly and i doubt the a343 will be stored for a long time either . . .
the long haul planes will need a looooong check before entering service with any other airline . . . .
what ' s the reason for the suspension of operations ? sorry , don ' t read spanish .
just today here in buenos aires they have big ads in the newspapers promoting their flights to europe . not a surprise at all .
and finally they realized that bad service , messy schedules and pathetic excuses for 20 - hour delays are not what latin america needs . our own airlines kick that crappy company´s ass . and ib too . hope those planes don´t take off again and that their employees are taken up by other careers , as it has been said they´re treated like sh ! t . bye nm , won´t be missed !
quoting scorpio ( reply 5 ) : what ' s the reason for the suspension of operations ? sorry , don ' t read spanish .
the spanish civil aviation authority required some weeks ago measures to improve their service , as they had heavy delays ( in some cases delays of 3 or more days ) and maintenance issues .
became a serious warning . it appears that spanish authorities had already decided about their closure .
thousands of complaints of stranded passengers during the last months didn ' t help .
they had regularly some a330 or their a340 grounded and they had to charter planes from other companies ( euroatlantic , etc . ) and even narrowbodies for their long - haul operations .
what will happen to the thousands of stranded passengers ? ? ? ? many have saved all year to transport their families to s . america and back - now their investment is gone . . . i don ' t see iberia or other airlines ferrying them back , since year end the planes are full already .
quoting beaucaire ( reply 9 ) : what will happen to the thousands of stranded passengers ? ? ? ? many have saved all year to transport their families to s . america and back - now their investment is gone . . . i don ' t see iberia or other airlines ferrying them back , since year end the planes are full already .
the spanish civil aviation authority still has to decide what to do . they have already the list of passengers .
quoting luisca ( reply 12 ) : one of my best freinds from panama is stranded in bcn at this time thanks to this , i hope the spanish aac finds a way to help them out soon .
hopefully the scaa will ensure that they get home safely . it doesn ' t appear as if they ' d have gotten home safely with
the web - site has gone off - line . . . the true scandal is they have kept selling tickets until the last minute , knowing that they have to close down . [ edited 2006 - 12 - 15 18 : 07 : 32 ]
completely agree with you ! ! ! finally we got rid of that bad company .
an emergency landing in eze due to a failure of one of their engines . the uio incident had even a topic here on urltoken urltoken
last nm flight has been operated this afternoon . there are at least 130 . 000 passengers affected by this measure . there are lots of pax who bought their tickets well in advance for christmas , before the recent problems . tonight ' s flights won ' t be operated and nm information desks are ( apparently ) closed . [ edited 2006 - 12 - 15 19 : 13 : 20 ]
aena website reports that there are still flights leaving from mad . did they suspend operations , or not ? i ' ve seen on aa2000 ' s website that a nm flight to mad just left ; obviously they don ' t want any metal getting stuck in other parts of the world , but return legs are still planned for tonight .
, have been closed and there seems to be no one at the offices .
obviously not by us , but for people caught in that mess today or expecting to go fly in the following days , i really doubt it .
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the thing is that according to nm , this is just a temporary shutdown . plus they ' re crying once again foul play and claim that information has been leaked and they might even sue the ministry . btw : can any of you access nm ' s website ? i can ' t access it , which leads me to believe that this might not be a temporary shutdown after all ( or they simply didn ' t pay the internet bill or don ' t want to put any news on this through their website ) .
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quoting iberiaa319 ( reply 18 ) : there are at least 130 . 000 passengers affected by this measure . there are lots of pax who bought their tickets well in advance for christmas , before the recent problems .
quoting ltu932 ( reply 21 ) : the thing is that according to nm , this is just a temporary shutdown .
a : if i ' d be a lessor , i ' d rather see my metal back .
here ' s the news on nm ' s shutdown in the costa rican media . urltoken ( only in spanish )
' science without religion is lame , religion without science is blind ' . albert einstein
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at the bus station , buses stop . at the train station , trains stop . at my desk , i have a work station .
i just caught a little on the news here tonight it seems aena is thinking of organizing some flights for those stranded and will get nm to foot the bill . as i said many a times before nm was not going to last and people were going to be screwed . i feel sorry for them specially those who have worked hard and paid good money to see their families , this are not rich people and now they might not be able to see them for several years . what really gets me though is how can people still buy tkts even when it was all over the news that nm was about to bust ? i don ' t see ib taking these people on as who is going to guarantee payment ?
according to elmundo . es , nm will still operate its tlc - mad flight this sunday , despite the airline ' s suspension . i wonder if the info is accurate . link in spanish : urltoken [ edited 2006 - 12 - 15 23 : 37 : 59 ]
i foresaw this happening some time or the other . they could not continue like they were for long . so many airlines are born and they go bust so i told myself nm could not be an exeption . the worst must be for all those people who wnted to visit their families in atin america who won ' t be able to ! i just hope te employees will not suffer unemployement very long . and for the aiation part i hope central america will get a strong competitor against ib for direct flights to europe ! urltoken p . s in the website . there is jsut a bulletin that is published explaining the situation ( in spanish )
quoting iberiaa319 ( reply 17 ) : an emergency landing in eze due to a failure of one of their engines . the uio incident had even a topic here on urltoken
what a bad image for the a330 . . . it will have the same image as the f100 in brail with all of tam ' s incidents
quoting rootsair ( reply 32 ) : in the website . there is jsut a bulletin that is published explaining the situation ( in spanish )
that ' s not a statement , but a cry of foul play . those who have flown
and had to put up with them , have complained . one diplomat got insulted by an
still cries foul play and that the authorities made their decisions on an arbitrary basis ? i don ' t think so .
this is what makes me feeling so sad for all those people , having been working hard the whole year long and now probably not having any opportunity to see their families this year . hopefully a solution can be found for them .
quoting beaucaire ( reply 14 ) : the true scandal is they have kept selling tickets until the last minute , knowing that they have to close down .
this is what i was thinking already the last days , as i was expecting them to go out of business before christmas . and i am sure ,
employees . i keep my fingers crossed for all of them and hope only the best for them . for this señor carillo and his closer circle , i sincerely hope , they will never ever come back into aviation business .
quoting ezeiza ( reply 37 ) : btw , on tv here they are saying that nm had approx . 300 , 000 tickets sold for the next couple of months . what will happen to those poor ticket holders ?
i guess they will be refunded . he problem will be what airline they will take as certainly all other flights are full especially for central america where we don ' t have much choice
just some speculations . i know that the european law has changed to better protect european passengers , but i don ' t know if that law provide any kind of protection in case of the failure / bankruptcy of an airline . in case the answer is no , the same situation will happen like when swissair went to the ground , worthless tickets .
if indeed what beaucaire says is right , then we may wonder if the airline wasn ' t cash strapped following all the scandals and its too quick expansion . and continuing this way , if the easy solution was just to shut down to avoid the tickets refund if any authority revealled any maintenance failures and really bad management , thus forcing the airline to the ground .
wish they had insurance like we do in canada . if you book through a travel agent then your money is guaranteed by the government of ontario , once the airline goes belly up . happened a few years ago to a charter airline here
quoting iberiaa319 ( reply 43 ) : a special flight to eze with one of the 6 retired iberia ' s b747 - 200 that were sitting in la munoza ( with a capacity of 470 passengers ) .
quoting planehunter ( reply 2 ) : i doubt the a343 will be stored for a long time either . . .
its a good thing special flights are planned . i think they ' re going down for good . hopefully us will get some planes . they need them badly . mcoflyer
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