other angels ( turkish : teslimiyet ) is a 2010 turkish drama film , directed by emre yalgın , which follows the lives of four transgender sex workers living together in the underbelly of istanbul .

the film , which went on nationwide general release across turkey on december 17 , 2010 , will be shown at the 22nd ankara international film festival ( march 17 to 27 , 2011 ) .

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angels are autonomous beings and do not live in strict harmony with each other . throughout the ages , they have had rivalries and disputes with each other .
the archangels have a more powerful , stronger essence than guardian angels . they oversee and guide the other angels who are with us on earth .
these angels are closest to the material world and human begins . they deliver the prayers to god and god ' s answers and other messages to humans . angels have the capacity to access any and all other angels at any time . they are the most caring and social to assist those who ask for help .
supernatural beings : supernatural beings ( i . e . gods , angels , and demons ) are able to cause physical harm to each other . gods are capable of easily overpowering and destroying angels .
sacred scripture also refers to lucifer by many other names all of which describe his
fallen nature .
dominions are angels of leadership . they regulate the duties of the angels , making known the commands of god .
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* and there was war in heaven . * michael and his angels fought against the dragon , and the dragon and his angels fought back .
this was perceived as a guardian angel of a lady in quebec province of canada . the swan is a symbol of grace . there are other angels featured in this painting on the upper left of the angel ' s face .
angels were thought of as being in charge of whole communities and individuals alike .
angels are the children of god and goddess . they grew up together in heaven . like human children , they played with each other and depended on their parents . amenadiel is the oldest one and is admired by many of his siblings .
immortality : angels cannot be killed by conventional means and thus live for many years .
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the point of the angels largely seems to be to drive other points of the plot . it seems that the plot of instrumentality itself does not really need the angels—and i think you ' re right in this respect . the angels themselves are a monster of the week trope embodiment , but you ' ll notice that each one ( except perhaps matarael ) has a large influence on the events of each episode ( and often the whole series ) .
we must not confuse the works of the angels with the role of the holy spirit .
all of us have at least one guardian angel , and some of us have more than that . guardian angels guide and protect us throughout various stages of our lives . our guardian angels are here to serve us and no one else . they are our own “personal angels . ”
the angels celebrate before the throne of god every time a sinner repents and turns to god .
nigh - omniscience : being around for a tremendous amount of time , angels know many things .
unlike gods of destruction and supreme kais , angels have no need for sleep . [ 1 ]
english title : other angelssanem is a working girl sharing a flat with three transvestites in istanbul . every day she dreams of a savior who will take her away . one day a young man named gã¶khan moves into the neighborhood , and soon sanem attracts his attention . this will be the beginning of a journey during which both will question each other and their choices in life .
however , because angels are so magnificent , people have fallen into the sin of angel - worship .
superhuman reflexes : angels possess great reflexes . amenadiel was able to effortlessly dodge maze ' s attacks .
we’d love your help . let us know what’s wrong with this preview of angels by marian keyes .
the archangels have a more powerful , stronger essence than guardian angels . they oversee and guide the other angels who are with us on earth . as opposed to our guardian angels , the archangels can be in more than one place at a time . therefore , don’t feel guilty about calling upon them because you feel that others may need them more than you do . the exact number of archangels is debatable , but the four that are the most widely known are michael , gabriel , raphael , and uriel .
flight : through the use of their wings , angels are capable of flight . this includes flying to other realms , e . g . traveling from heaven to earth and back , including hell . as seen in
a devil of my word
, they are capable of using their wings in battle .
angels are immortal celestial spirits created by god . they are created to represent him and to guard his interests
thrones are the angels of pure humility , peace and submisssion . they reside in the area of the cosmos where material form begins to take shape . the lower choir of angels need the thrones to access god .
we may call upon both our guardian angels and the archangels at any time and they will come . our guardian angels are here to serve only us , and the archangels are here to serve everyone . guardian angels are present wherever we are , and the archangels can be in more than one place at one time .
sadly there are some strange notions regarding angels , and perhaps this article will help you to clear that up .
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only god is home for the love of the angels , just as he is for us . the angels must make their way home , for love ' s fire is the divine flame , or there is no warmth .
the bay of angels by anita brookner . 200 pp . new york : random house . $ 23 . 95 .
english title : other angelssanem is a working girl sharing a flat with three transvestites in istanbul . every day she dreams of a savior who will take her away . one day a young man named gã . . . see full summary »
powers are warrior angels against evil defending the cosmos and humans . they are known as potentates . they fight against evil spirits who attempt to wreak chaos through human beings . the chief is said to be either samael or camael , both angels of darkness .
dimensional travel : through the use of their wings , angels can travel between the heavenly realm , hell and the earthly plane .
in addition , the church of satan is well established under law in the usa and possibly elsewhere too . television proliferates these beliefs through such programmes as charmed , ghost whisperer , supernatural and many other witchcraft programmes that are very popular with our youth .
in retrospect , what was the point of the angels at all ? the goal of nerv and etc . was the human instrumentality project . why go through the effort of killing fifteen angels ? and even if you could say they had to establish peace for the moment to go ahead with the project , that just makes the entire plot of the angels a waste . so what was the point ?
shape - shifting : angels are capable of altering their true angelic appearance , making themselves look like humans ( hiding their large wings ) .
magnificent coding mom : ginny martin is still in lincoln after graduating from a san francisco code school boot camp last spring . she is loving up her kids and exploring job opportunities ( here and out west ) and continuing to mentor other would - be coders . java !
and even though satan has the effrontery to enter god ' s presence with the other angels ( sons ) he does so to
accuse
god ' s people . however , you will notice that satan can do no more than god allows him to do .
and the lord said to satan ,
behold , all that he has is in your power , only do not lay a hand upon his person
it is also noted by whis that there used to be 18 universes , which means there should at least be 6 more angels in the series . this could either mean that the angels could have been erased along with their universe or that without a position to fill , they fell dormant .
there was clearly some need to delay enacting third impact and instrumentality until after the final angel was dispatched , probably at the order of the dead sea scrolls ( which is never explained ) , otherwise nerv / seele would have simply commenced it as soon as they had the lance ( adam , lilith and rei were already in their possession ) . for some reason , instrumentality was only likely to work if there were no other angels alive to prevent it .
angels : the truth about gabriel , michael & raphael . lucifer , angelic beings : archangels . cherubim . powers . seraphim . thrones , dominions . beasts .
that ancient serpent called the devil , or satan , who leads the whole world astray . he was hurled to the earth , and his angels with him .
angels do not have corporal bodies but they can manifest themselves in human form . an example of this is seen in the account of lot regarding sodom and gomorrah
on december 8 , 2017 , toyotaro posted a concept art of two angels , but he stated they aren ' t official to the series . [ 3 ]
i consider angels the best book marian keyes has ever written ( although i havent yet read all her books ) . maggie is clearly the most sympathetic of the walsh - sisters . i also think that angels deals with wider themes . maggie ' s problem isnt really low self - esteem , like claire ' s and rachel ' s . she’s somehow a deeper character . i also liked the plot . in angels marian keyes is more entertaining than ever . i really laughed , especially when maggie’s family came to la to visit her . the walsh family seems to be an irish version of bridget jones ' family . marian however makes her chanters more realistic and nicer than helen fielding . angels was also a real page - turner like no other book i have read for a while has been . i completely loved it . it captured me . marian keyes has a great way of relieving the background of events little by little . first it seemed like in the book maggie ' s and garv ' s marriage broke down because they were simply tired of each other or something as shallow , but during the book it turned out there was a lot more to it . really great ! i really felt like i was maggie when i was reading the book .
to us they may seem like god himself , but to god they are as far away from his perfection as your dog is to you . we must always remember that the angels , good and bad , are creatures , they are not gods . saint thomas aquinas points out that the angels are not supernatural simply because the condition of an angel as a created being is natural to his state . god and god alone is the only supernatural being . so the bible warns us not to worship angels
in other updates : staci hutchinson is still greeting shoppers with a smile at trader joe’s on monday and tuesday afternoons , you can still find st . teresa in the window of the thrift store by the same name at 25th and randolph , i still want to be buried in my new quartz countertop , summer is still too short , pershing should still be a library , i still won’t eat a twinkie and drivers and pedestrians still need to watch out for each other . ( this from monday’s paper : “the woman was walking south in the crosswalk on 11th street when she was hit by a dodge durango turning east onto k street . ” )
the angels act as mirrors or reflectors reminding us of our true heritage as perfect light beings . these reflections are messages that , when adhere to , can raise human consciousness .
the angels nerv fought were the children of adam , who sort to instigate the third impact to reclaim earth back from the children of lilith , the lilin ( humans ) .
gabriel is sometimes depicted as a male , and at other times as a female archangel . for simplicity , however , i will just use the masculine pronoun when describing him here . gabriel is the communication angel , and we can call upon him whenever we need help with writing or speaking . clairvoyants often see him as a copper colored light .
i can ' t believe i ' m saying this , but i just cannot get into this book . i ' ve been plugging away for days and days , i ' m only like 1 / 3 of the way through , and i am just not interested . this doesn ' t seem as fun as the other walsh family books .
its adherents often use christian terminology such as
guardian angels
to describe consultation with the dead or evil spirits . the angels they are referring to , were until recent years , called
spirit guides
or
familiar spirits
and are clearly demonic , pagan and occult in origin . in an attempt to clear up this confusion for christians is the reason for this article . i hope that it will spread some light on the reality and truth of god ' s holy angels whose role is to minister to god and his people .
it is comforting to know whom and what you have working on your side . angels and christians are partners and allies in the spiritual warfare in which we find ourselves . they assist us to dislodge satan from his stronghold in the world . when intercessors come together and prayer prevails it brings powerful angels to aid and assist us to hinder the workings of satan (
in dragon ball z : resurrection ‘f’ and dragon ball super anime , the angels of hell are a group of angels that watch over frieza in hell . presumably they serve under king yemma or at least he has some authority over them as he is able to give permission to goku to travel to hell in order the recruit frieza for the tournament of power .
we’ve had a lot of questions over the past few weeks about what the new codex means for some of the galaxy’s less “by the book” chapters – specifically , forces like the noble blood angels , the stoic dark angels and the ferocious space wolves . here’s what you need to know , if your space marines force is made of warriors from one of these chapters :
demon / hell - forged weapons : these weapons are able to injure and kill angels . in
take me back to hell
, amenadiel is fatally injured by a demon knife .
the angels also achieve one of anno ' s goals of telling us that , well , humans are even worse . the fact that the angels are actually just acting on instinct—the instinct to return to lilith—and not actually destructive ( with a couple exceptions ) shows us that humans are really the strongest villains in the series . ( a nice bit of grey area there . )
i consider angels the best book marian keyes has ever written ( although i havent yet read all her books ) . maggie is clearly the most sympathetic of the walsh - sisters . i also think that angels deals with wider themes . maggie ' s problem isnt really low self - esteem , like claire ' s and rachel ' s . she’s somehow a deeper character . i also liked the plot . in angels marian keyes is more entertaining than ever . i really laughed , especially when maggie’s family came to la to visit her . the walsh family seems
“we want to thank everyone who has helped us with everything . we couldn’t have done this without all of you , ” christine wrote . “you are all angels somewhere out there . ”
flaming sword : the flaming sword ( and its component azrael ' s blade ) can eradicate angels . the angel would be permanently gone , no heaven nor hell , and cannot be resurrected .
so , to answer your question : no , the angels weren ' t strictly necessary . but the plot points they drove and the scenarios they created were critically important parts of the series .
their white hair , occasionally puffed sleeves and pastel skin gives them a striking resemblance to the supreme kais as well , giving angels a strong visual link to all factions of the godly establishment .
when we read revelations chapters 2 and 3 , we can see this clearly :
to the presiding spirit of the church in ephesus
. the
presiding spirit
= literally ; angels .
despite their subservient nature to the gods of destruction and supreme kais , they hold a designation above that of the gods , as zeno spared the angels from being erased in the tournament of power .
the sword of gilead .
is an avenging angel revealed to eddie russell in 1990 . read more about him in the new book : the sword of gilead & the book of angels below .
along with the word of god , the power , and the gifts of the holy spirit working on our behalf , we also have countless millions of angels at our disposal in the same way that jesus did when he was arrested in gethsemane . . . .
do you not suppose that i can call on my father to provide at a moment ' s notice more than twelve legions of angels
and it is this encounter that dominates our christmas celebration . however , appearances of the angels are usually brief and formal . they are aimed at improving our relationship with the lord rather than attracting attention to themselves
it becomes clear ; satan is not an equal and opposite of god as claimed by many ! just like all the other angels he was created by god and therefore by definition , he is not god . satan is a creature and therefore he is subject to god like all else in heaven and earth and he has no more rights or power than god allows . popular ( new age ) thought adopts the concept of yin and yang and believe this to be perfect balance and harmony . however , it is self evident that this is erroneous thinking ; even the law of physics testifies to this in that darkness is merely and absence of light , and therefore , unlike light dispelling darkness , darkness cannot enter light nor extinguish it . the only outcome of the war between good and evil in this thinking is perpetual war due to the neutralizing of this equality . hence there will never be peace with a yin and yang concept or any other new age or occult philosophy , but , it does keep us entertained and hollywood in business .
it ' s a shame marian keyes is marketed as an author of fluff because most of her books explore women ' s lives and traumas with warmth and humour . the only reason this gets 3 instead of 5 stars is my brain automatically rejects any book set in hollywood where the majority of characters are not sociopaths trying to out - sociopath each other in a kafkaesque dystopia . ( only with more money and narcissism )
unfortunately , just like all the good angels , the evil ones and the devil himself have also been relegated to the area of myth by many christians whilst the non - believers are very much aware of his reality .
i would recommend reading any of marian keyes books . angels is no exception . it ' s fun , irreverent , witty and tells a few home truths in marian keye ' s typical dry , irish and magnificent way .
angels are a reference to heavenly beings or messengers . call them
agents
if you will . they serve on inner planes of reality to create protective force - fields around human beings who request such protection . they also reflect the quality of true perfection ( our real inheritance ) of soul to the consciousness to inspire them to align themselves with that perfection of the source of all life . note : the angels are not to be confused with
guides
.
seele couldn ' t let adam ' s children instigate the third impact because then they couldn ' t control it themselves so destroying the angels as they appeared was needed to ensure that seele ' s could execute their plans without interference .
if we ever think of the angels at all it would probably be around christmas time when hymns and carols seem full of their presence . in many homes , shopping centres and city malls around the world you will find a christmas tree topped by a star or by a plastic angel . but how often do we consider these magnificent creatures at other times of the year ? at this special time of year even non - believers get caught up with the warmth of love and friendship and somehow we know that there is something more going on than plastic angels and booze . none - the - less , it ' s a pity that the angelic is a subject that is rarely talked about , thought of or taught in catholic circles in recent times and yet there is a wealth of spiritual assistance available to every christian in the body of christ who are surrounded at all times by a great cloud of witnesses ( heb . 12 : 1 ) .
brookner gives another twist to the question of what it means to enjoy freedom when zoë & apos ; s mother collapses into a grave but mysterious illness , leaving her daughter to ponder the possibility of returning to a life confined to the bell jar of her parent & apos ; s helplessness and passivity . & apos ; & apos ; we should keep each other company , as if this had always been intended , & apos ; & apos ; she imagines . & apos ; & apos ; no word of love , other than our own , would be there to lend support . . . . our fate seemed ineluctable . & apos ; & apos ; this possibility is removed by another twist in the plot , but while zoë is freed from a life fettered to her mother & apos ; s needs , she is left profoundly alone in the world . freedom from attachment , the novel suggests , is no freedom at all .
nevertheless , the angels do seem to have limits as to how far they are willing to push the nerves of the deities they work alongside and serve , as whis has been seen sweating nervously some times when beerus looked at him seriously and noted that no one should annoy and / or anger a god of destruction , zeno , future zeno , or the grand minister , not even an angel like him . although angels are never afraid to take action , especially when subduing their gods of destruction .
in the manga , whenever the angels are in zeno ' s presence ( except the grand minister ) , they would give their respects to the deity by bowing their heads , putting their right fist to the ground and kneeling with their right knee .
these are the highest order or choir of angels . they are the angels who are attendants or guardians before god ' s throne . they praise god , calling ,
holy holy holy is the lord of hosts
. the only bible reference is isaiah 6 : 1 - 7 . one of them touched isaiah ' s lips with a live coal from the altar , cleansing him from sin . seraphim have six wings , two cover their faces , two cover their feet , and two are for flying .
archangels are generally taken to mean
chief or leading angel
( jude 9 ; 1 thes 4 : 16 ) , they are the most frequently mentioned throughout the bible . they may be of this or other hierarchies as st . michael archangel , who is a princely seraph . the archangels have a unique role as god ' s messenger to the people at critical times in history and salvation ( tb 12 : 6 , 15 ; jn 5 : 4 ; rv 12 : 7 - 9 ) as in the annunciation and apocalypse . a feast day celebrating the archangels michael , gabriel and raphael is celebrated throughout the church sep 29 . a special part of the byzantine liturgy invokes the
cherubic hymn
which celebrates these archangels and the guardian angels particularly .
it stands to reason that if god is for us everything that is of god is for us too . we are never alone as much as we may think that we are . god ' s angels are ever present to help us in all that we do .
invulnerability : angels have been shown to be immune to to earthly damage and cannot be killed by anything that could kill a mortal . however , for an unknown reason , lucifer becomes mortal when around detective chloe decker . when away from her , his invulnerability returns .
( although non catholics do not accept this book as canon of scripture , the book of tobit is a magnificent insight into the role of angels that was richly expressed in hebrew angelology and belief . the catholic church accepts tobit as part of the canon of scripture ) .
the angels possess unfathomable might , having power beyond the gods of destruction and creation skills similar to the supreme kais . so far , they have shown an assortment of mystical abilities , such as warping , magic materialization , divination , healing , resurrection and space - time manipulation .
“outlaws & angels” puts any disappointment felt about quentin tarantino ’s recent , bloated western “ the hateful eight ” into perspective . this western too focuses on a group of morally grotesque folk spending most of their time under one roof , while encountering pain as means for revenge , as distinctly shot on film . but the difference between tarantino and his endless imitators has always proved vast , especially when a budding filmmaker cribs his style to shallow results . a movie hopped up on the period piece sadism within tarantino’s regurgitation cinema , “outlaws & angels” gravely mistakes tarantino’s audaciousness for its own originality .
but in a sea of grimy indie westerns , especially ones that started with the same genre canvas ( last year’s “ bone tomahawk ” comes to mind , and is far more innovative ) , “outlaws & angels” is a thoroughly ugly example of when “tarantino - esque” is the most generous compliment .
in addition to the above two answers , ner / seele had to wait until they discovered the lost lance of longinus in the antartic ocean before they could begin instrumentality . this did not occur until after the angels began appearing , so they were obliged to battle at least some of them !
much like zeno and future zeno , whom they serve , the angels are remorseless and indifferent , not caring at all about the lives of others . that includes not only mortals , but also the gods themselves . however , as amoral as they may be , angels can lend their assistance to others , such as whis re - winding time for goku for a second chance to finish off frieza ; another is when whis tells future trunks and future mai that he is going to go and alter the future timeline by warning future beerus of goku black and zamasu ' s zero mortal plan .
st . thomas aguinas tells us that because angels are referred to as a company and not a race they cannot procreate ; they are pure spirit beings with no need of a body or its attributes . in wahtever body they might have appeared are only apparant bodies for our comfort when encountering them .
i hated this book so much words can barely describe it . i have always rated marian keyes books very highly in the past , and have loved other books in the walsh family companion series , but i don ' t know if this book was an exception or if i read the others too long ago to really remember them . my main problem with this book was the plot , or lack thereof . it took me so long to finish this book and the main reason for this was that almost nothing happened plot - wise . in terms of story , it really didn
the role of the angels and the role of the holy spirit are very different even though they are companion roles in our lives by assisting us to build the church and in establishing the kingdom of god where we live . the difference lies in that the role of the angels is to administer material affairs . the role of the holy spirit is to reveal the mind of god and to make jesus known . matthew 4 : 11 shows this distinction clearly ; jesus was
led
by the spirit ,
taught
by the spirit , and
filled
with the spirit , but he was
i hated it . i hated the way she wrote as it wasn ' t challenging in anyway . i hated the storyline as it was predictable and made me fall asleep . i hated her characters they were so boring bland and the same as any other basic characters . the main reason i hated it was for the meaning behind it ( that i got at least ) it implied that for women to succeed and be successful in life they must get married . oh wait no now women should have children or else they ' ve failed at life and at being a women . forge
roy learns that his political opponents plan to disbar him for an ethical lapse , but he vows to remain a lawyer until he dies . in a friendly rapprochement , he gives joe his blessing , until joe reveals that he has left harper for a man—he has been living for a blissful month with louis . stunned and angry , he demands that joe end his gay relationship at once . ethel comes to observe him in his misery . joe ' s wife , on the other hand , spends her days at the mormon visitor ' s center watching a diorama of the mormon migration featuring a father dummy who looks suspiciously like joe . when prior drops in to conduct research on angels , a fantasy sequence ensues in which louis and joe appear in the diorama . the formerly silent mormon mother comes to life and leaves with harper , giving her painful but valuable advice on loss and change .
disappointing . i have loved other keyes novels , but this one is slow . nothing happens , nothing happens , nothing happens for far too long , mostly because the main character doesn ' t want anything , so she ' s not trying to do anything , so you get endless descriptions of her pointless days of hanging out . it ' s quite a long slog through the middle part . and keyes seems to think los angeles
wackiness
makes up for all that , but it does not . at the end it gets pretty good , but i ' m frankly surprised i ma
deceased people who still possess their bodies are referred to as
angels
, the only difference from their living selves being that they possess a halo over their head and can grow white wings . examples of this include goku and vegeta during the majin buu saga , and frieza during the universe survival saga .
cherubim rank after the seraphim and are the second highest in the nine hierarchies or choirs of angels . the old testament does not reveal any evidence that the jews considered them as intercessors or helpers of god . they were closely linked in god ' s glory . they are manlike in appearance and double - winged and were guardians of god ' s glory . they symbolized then , god ' s power and mobility . in the new testament , they are alluded to as celestial attendants in the apocalypse ( rv 4 - 6 ) . catholic tradition describes them as angels who have an intimate knowledge of god and continually praise him .
this book drove me insane and maybe that ' s why it took me two weeks to read such an easy novel . i wanted to slap maggie , the supposed
heroine
and i didn ' t relate to her at all . i couldn ' t stand how she bounced from one extreme to the other with reactions and emotions . i wanted to slap maggie for her stupid behavior ( what was the scene when she freaked out in front of troy ? ) and when she was too insecure to speak up for herself . . . even so much as to not eat . i thought the epilogue was ridiculous
if the heroine of & apos ; & apos ; the bay of angels & apos ; & apos ; has found a fulfillment of sorts , it is because she has come to recognize that happiness is possible only when its limitations are fully recognized and accepted . with this caveat , free will finds its proper exercise .
the beginning of & apos ; & apos ; the bay of angels & apos ; & apos ; ( as well as other themes and details in the novel that will be very familiar to brookner & apos ; s regular readers ) certainly suggests that she is recycling the same material . but brookner is in fact shifting , in subtle and highly interesting ways , the terms of the dilemmas she habitually sets forth and dramatizes . & apos ; & apos ; the debut & apos ; & apos ; begins with the proposition that virtue will ultimately be rewarded in life , as it so often is in the novels of dickens , and looks at the consequences that unfold as this proposition is challenged by experience . but & apos ; & apos ; the bay of angels & apos ; & apos ; is up to something different : the lesson its heroine , zoë cunningham , draws from her reading is & apos ; & apos ; that i need make no decisions on my own behalf , for destiny or fate would always have had the matter in hand . . . . there were no stratagems to be undertaken . one had simply to exist , in a state of dreamy indirection , for the plot to work itself out . & apos ; & apos ;
angels have incredibly impressive intelligence , and have a considerable amount of knowledge regarding the world of deities , godly ki , and the intense training needed to ascend to their level , though far from being omniscient . as a result , whis , being beerus ' mentor , has since taken the role of a martial arts instructor for goku and vegeta . angels are also among the most powerful warriors in existence , as every single angel holds power much greater than the gods of destruction that they mentor . the grand minister , who is apparently the strongest angel , was said by whis in the manga to be virtually the strongest warrior in the multiverse .
disappointing . i have loved other keyes novels , but this one is slow . nothing happens , nothing happens , nothing happens for far too long , mostly because the main character doesn ' t want anything , so she ' s not trying to do anything , so you get endless descriptions of her pointless days of hanging out . it ' s quite a long slog through the middle part . and keyes seems to think los angeles
wackiness
makes up for all that , but it does not . at the end it gets pretty good , but i ' m frankly surprised i made it all the way to the end .
resurrection : angels are able to bring back souls from hell to insert them into recently deceased bodies . in
wingman
, amenadiel brought malcolm back from hell moments after he dies . in
infernal guinea pig
, lucifer brought abel into the body of bree garland . however , they require their wings for this power .
nerv ' s goal all along was the preservation of humanity so stopping the angels falls along their goals , the human instrumentality project was seele ' s secret goal to force the evolution of man though creating their own third impact that they could control , because the human instrumentality committee oversaw nerv it was also nerv ' s secret goal .
angels appear as humanoid creatures with pale blue skin , white hair , violet eyes , and various heights . each have a blue halo around their necks , with the exception of grand minister , whose halo floats vertically behind his head . their clothing bares similarities to zeno , while the patterns on their clothes resemble the gods of destruction they serve .
saint michael the archangel isn ' t a saint , but rather he is an angel , and the leader of all angels and of the army of god . this is what the title
archangel
means , that he is above all the others in rank . st . michael has four main responsibilities or offices , as we . . . continue reading
lucifer , then known as samael , was thought to be god ' s favorite until he rebelled . god cast him out of heaven , condemning him to rule hell for all eternity . the rest of the angels continued to reside in heaven and try to act in god ' s will . in 2011 , lucifer voluntarily abdicated , leaving hell with no leader .
also , the angels tend to be well - mannered and well - humored , respecting mortals and gods alike , and treating them as equals during a conversation . despite serving the gods of destruction , they are also lorded over by the equally high - ranking supreme kais , and tend to refer to them by title as well , in addition to their names .
no job is too big or too small for any of the angels . they are very real beings of god’s light who are here to shine for us . they bring us protection , comfort , relief , and understanding far beyond what mere words can express here . remember , all you need to do is to ask for their assistance , and they will be there for you .
after prior suffers an episode at the visitor ' s center , hannah takes him to the hospital . there , the angel descends , and prior wrestles her . he succeeds , and is granted entry into heaven to refuse his prophecy . in heaven , which resembles san francisco after the great earthquake , prior tells the angels that despite all his suffering he wants them to bless him and give him more life . the angels sympathize but say they cannot halt the plague . he tells them should god return , they should sue him for abandonment . back on earth , his fever broken , prior tells louis he loves him but that he cannot ever come back . harper leaves joe for the last time and sets off on an optimistic voyage to san francisco to begin her own life .
the bible only mentions the names of four angels from the countless millions that have been created . they are , gabrielle , whose name means ,
god is mighty
, michael , whose name means ,
like god
, raphael , whose name means ,
god heals
, and lucifer , whose name means ,
light bearer
. all of them were created good !
this is exemplified several times , as the grand minister announces universal destruction with a smile , vados prompting champa and beerus to fight on their birthday , mojito chuckling after the destruction of his universe and his fellow gods , and perhaps most notably of all , whis ' s open and nonchalant mockery to the gods of his universe , as , when his father declares the angels of the universes are the only beings to be spared by the two zenos , he simply states his position is different than theirs , and laughs at them , establishing that despite having spent hundreds of millions of years at beerus ' side , angels do not tend to involve themselves emotionally with anything or anyone , except perhaps , with each other . however , there are some exceptions to this . for example , it has been shown that universe 10’s cus is shown having fun with her fellows rumsshi and gowasu . she was also shown deeply grief - stricken when her universe was erased from existence following team universe 10 ’s elimination from the tournament of power . additionally , during universe 6’s erasure , vados bows to champa as a sign of respect . campari was worried about his god of destruction and supreme kai and he seemed to be involucrated in his team as he was , at some point , shocked , by some eliminations of universe 3 . in the manga , he also lied to zeno about what mule said , to potentially spare his gods from being erased . sour also looked solemn after his universe was erased and did show some respect for the efforts of some of his universe ' s team members .
have many varying different roles and functions to assist the christian here on the earth . not only do they minister to god before the throne day and night but they also convey god ' s messages to his people . some have specific roles and are created to perform specific tasks such as the guardian angels of countries , territories and individuals . although this subject is too vast to enter into here , perhaps this short article will allow you to study the subject further .
if the word lucifer is taken as a reference to satan , then satan was not an angel . according to the qur ' an satan belonged to a group that was created from fire . he did move around in the company of angels , and at one time was a pretty good being . unlike angels who do not have the ability to disobey god , satan and others like him do - just like human beings . his name at the time was iblees . it is only after the creation of adam and eve , when god ordered those present to bow before adam , iblees who was present in the gathering , refused to bow . when god asked him why he did not bow , his answer was that he ( iblees ) , having been created from fire , was better than adam who was created from the dust . it was in that moment of disobedience that he came to be known as satan . as one can see , he was no angel .
superhuman strength : angels possess great strength and are far stronger than humans . lucifer has displayed this on multiple occasions , notably by lifting humans off the ground with one hand or by sending them flying across rooms . presumably they are more powerful than demons , as mazikeen was unable to defeat amenadiel when she battled him in the lux bar , with him essentially toying with her throughout the fight . however , lucifer , who had previously matched amenadiel in a fight , was nearly beaten by mazikeen .
plain yoghurt at room temperature . . that ' s how the sisters describe maggie the protagonist , and it describes how i felt about the book and the characters . the book is quit slow in my opinion . i found the characters a bit bland , which is a surprise because i used to like the walsh family . and i guess i still do . maybe that ' s why i like the second half of the book better , where the family gets more involved in the story . the characters from la were just a little stereotypical and in many ways predictable , and i didn ' t really care for any of them . i like keyes ' books because they ' re normally easy to read and fun but also has some depth . this one . . . well , it just wasn ' t as fun as other books by keyes . and the serious part of the story drowned in a slow and not as interesting story about working and partying in la .
this book drove me insane and maybe that ' s why it took me two weeks to read such an easy novel . i wanted to slap maggie , the supposed
heroine
and i didn ' t relate to her at all . i couldn ' t stand how she bounced from one extreme to the other with reactions and emotions . i wanted to slap maggie for her stupid behavior ( what was the scene when she freaked out in front of troy ? ) and when she was too insecure to speak up for herself . . . even so much as to not eat . i thought the epilogue was ridiculous . . . she might as well have written
and everyone lived happily ever after .
i do not recommend this book . it should have been light and funny and an easy read . . . instead it was exasperating and i had to drag myself through each page . i skimmed more than i prefer and couldn ' t wait to finish it . i ' m happy to move on . . .
3 . 5★s angels is a light , humorous chick lit novel , which entertained me a lot . following the break - up of her nine year marriage to garv , dublin resident maggie walsh jets off to los angeles to spend some time with her friend emily o ' keeffe . emily , a talented script writer , has been struggling for a couple of years , trying to break into the la movie industry . in short time maggie is drawn into the crazy lifestyles of los angeles wannabes , which become great sources of amusing anecdotes . underneath
garage sale angels : brad vifquain is eternally grateful to community members who packed the four - day garage sale he hosted this summer . it was overwhelming , said the 53 - year - old in need of a new heart . he felt the love of old friends and strangers and the money raised went to pay for dental work he needed to complete before a transplant . he’s already planning his next fundraiser because he’s still strapped for cash . but he says this : “i know i have hundreds of people praying for me and this is priceless . ”
nita brookner & apos ; s famously depressed oeuvre , now in its 20th iteration with & apos ; & apos ; the bay of angels , & apos ; & apos ; harks back to a time before prozac and its pharmaceutical cousinry were common household expedients . imagine , just for a moment , what would happen if brookner & apos ; s anomie - bedeviled heroines could only get the therapy they are clearly in need of : the whole oeuvre itself might lift and disappear like the fog that hung over so much of their native london in the 19th century .
i have been given a big pile of books from my step mum , many of which are marian keyes . a few years ago i read a few marian keyes books and i couldn’t remember which ones i had read from the blurb on the back… probably not a good sign . i am also not a huge fan of “chick lit” . about three chapters into this book i realised i had read it before . i couldn’t remember what had happened , but i was able to guess / remember most of the plot before it happened . the story follows maggie , who has a big loud irish family and a husband . who to be honest , we never really found out much about . from what we do learn , he seems like a really decent bloke . they are on the verge of breaking up as they have barely spoken to each other for months and seem to have some underlying problems that we don’t know about until later on in the book . maggie realises he’s been seeing someone else and leaves him , which pleases her family , who don’t like him ( i still don’t really know why… ) . she then travels out to la to see a friend of hers and stay there for a month to get her head together . her friend emily is out there writing scripts which keep getting rejected… we then follow them , emily trying to get a script accepted , and maggie trying to get her head together by sleeping around with a male friend of emily’s – a self confessed tart that she falls for then gets annoyed when he doesn’t ring , and emily’s gay friend lara . eventually she sorts out her issues , we find out what caused the split between her and her husband , and she ends up going home back to her husband . despite the lesbian sub plot which was mildly interesting , this book was a bit slow . it seemed to take ages to get going , and i didn’t really like many of the characters , they were either stereotypical or predictable , ( and not because i had read this years before… ) this type of book is not usually my thing , too much shopping and not enough real people talking to each other about their problems . a nice bit of entertainment , easy to read , but not really my cup of tea .


maría del pilar bardem muñoz ( born 14 march 1939 ) better known as pilar bardem is a spanish film and television actress .

she is the mother of academy award-winner javier bardem .

born to performers rafael bardem and matilde muñoz sampedro in seville , bardem began her screen career in 1965 .

she was a regular in the television series compuesta y sin novio ( 1994 ) , hermanas ( 1998 ) , el inquilino ( 2004 ) , and amar en tiempos revueltos ( 2005 – 2007 ) .

bardem is the recipient of the goya award for best supporting actress , the premios ace for best supporting actress , the valladolid international film festival award for best actress , and two spanish actors union awards for her performances .

pilar bardem

carlos encinas bardem ( born 1963 ) is a spanish actor and son of pilar bardem and brother of mónica and javier bardem ( best known for the 2007 film no country for old men ) .
pilar was named after a sister who died of meningitis a couple of years before she was born .
that ' s how the young bardem came to know the world of performance art , pilar says , adding that he scored his first role at age 5 when a production had a last - minute need for a child .
spanish actor , born in las palmas de gran canaria on march 1 , 1969 . he comes from a family dedicated to the world of interpretation , his mother is the actress pilar bardem , is also nephew of juan antonio bardem , and grandson of actors . it was the first spanish actor to be awarded an oscar .
view full version : the whitest oscars ever . . . except for bardem !
penelope cruz , javier bardem welcome baby no . 2 : it ' s a . . .
in a curious twist , pilar ' s third child , javier , died soon after his birth , from a condition that prevented him from digesting food ; she had a fourth , whom she also named javier .
well , some americans think that hispanic is race , therefore to them bardem is of hispanic race .
actually bardem and his family are from the canary islands , who look a bit different than mainland spanairds .
madrid - - when javier bardem was a toddler , his mother , pilar , dragged him by the hand to the backstage doors of spanish theaters as she searched for work . she was a young actress , trying to separate from an abusive husband at a time in spanish history when women separated from their husbands only at death . javier was 2 .
this profession , alone , gives you total space and freedom ,
pilar bardem said in an interview at her agent ' s apartment in madrid , where she was seated on a thick , comfortable sofa among antiques from old spain and ceramics from morocco .
no one questions your ideology , no one criticizes your sexual orientation , married or not , you can work .
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i bet if javier bardem took a 23andme test he ' d turn out more european than many americans on here . : laugh :
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carlos bardem won the 2008 spanish actors union ' s
newcomer award for a male
( categoría masculina ) for la zona . [ 1 ]
in person , pilar , tall and silver - haired , is warm and electric . she wears a cavalcade of silver jewelry , with one or two rings on every finger . she laughs readily and creates personable familiarity with those around her , quickly telling an interviewer , for example , to address her with the informal
tu .
in the year 2011 , bardem confirmed that it will be
bad
the next film in the series of james bond , to be released in 2012 .
i bet if javier bardem took a 23andme test he ' d turn out more european than many americans on here . : laugh : do you mean north americans ? : cool :
their father is canarian ( indeed a good cause to be so exotical ) his mother , pilar bardem , was a veteran not - much succesful actress and model from a theatral family , f . e . she ' s the sister of a reputed commie film director . her histerical political activism against irak war and spanish gov support , brieft in the catchphrase
no a la guerra
( not to war ) revolved against herselft in the catchphrase
no a la guarra
( not to the pig female , that is , not to the dirty woman ) . : d
bardem ' s sister , monica . . . i remember her more attractive , probably she ' s not aging well : urltoken urltoken bardem ' s brother , carlos . . . i greatly apppreciate his presence on spanish films , it ' s a good actor , or , at least , fits very well in his roles . . . in fact i prefer him over his young brother . urltoken urltoken
well , some americans think that hispanic is race , therefore to them bardem is of hispanic race . there is no hispanic race because they are not mixed thoroughly enough , it ' s still merely a culturo - linguistic group .
i suppose bardem is darker than the average
white american
. he also speaks spanish , so it ' s easy to understand why he is not considered
white
. doesn ' t matter what genetic studies say , ordinary people don ' t care about that .
javier bardem ' s evolution . at later stages , he ( product of swarthy roles make - up and sun tanned skin ) show more latino than ever but for example in the more relevant 16 y . o . pic his look is clearly europid and somewhat eastern . urltoken
shot dance steps to the orders of john malkovich and mondays in the sun ( 2002 ) , third tape of filmmaker fernando león de aranoa , bardem offered a new opportunity to show off their interpretive resources . goya attained with this paper award to the best actor of the year .
yes . but from a cultural point of view , jewishness seems to be less alien to america - which is meant to be a western and predominantly christian society , right ? - than southern european people and more precisely the iberians . . . . bearing in mind that franco and portman are considered
whiter
than bardem , and the former shows vague semitic traits in his phenotype . its a worrying thought . genetically the most european out of the 3 would be by far bardem , because the jews are only 30 - 50 % european and don ' t even cluster with europeans in genetic plots . : thumb001 :
the bardems are a legendary acting dynasty , sort of the barrymores of spain , although actors here are not quite treated as royalty . la bardem , as she is often called , is also a proud mom and a pistol of a woman whose well - lived life has been one of adversity , trail - blazing , politics and superstition .
i suppose bardem is darker than the average
white american
. he also speaks spanish , so it ' s easy to understand why he is not considered
white
. doesn ' t matter what genetic studies say , ordinary people don ' t care about that . javier bardem isn ' t darker than north europeans ( when he ' s not tanning ) , and his facial features are caucasian . very few americans would mistake him for not being white on appearance . one of two things happened with the article : 1 ) the person who wrote it is hispanic , or a
cultural marxist
, and wants to equate the spanish with hispanics 2 ) the person who wrote it is just dumb . .
they girl looks jewish , but jews do cluster with s euros , after all . . . the guy could easily be a mexican or other latin american . . . that ' s precisely what i ' d think he was if i saw him . . . the middle picture guy perhaps looks slightly more
white
. bardem ' s sister , monica . . . i remember her more attractive , probably she ' s not aging well : urltoken urltoken bardem ' s brother , carlos . . . i greatly apppreciate his presence on spanish films , it ' s a good actor , or , at least , fits very well in his roles . . . in fact i prefer him over his young brother . urltoken urltoken
spaniards are more genetically indigenous to europe than most europeans ! ! ! they have much less neolithic affinity and haplogroups g , j , e , and t than italy and greece and less than even france has . and autosomally , very little
moorish
influence . if javier bardem isn ' t white , then 90 % of white americans aren ' t white either .
it is freedom she values , having grown up in a spain emerging from devastating civil war and living under the repression of a fascist dictatorship . ( she was born just days before generalissimo francisco franco sealed his rise to power by defeating spanish republican forces ; her late brother , juan antonio bardem , one of spain ' s most renowned filmmakers , was jailed for his anti - franco politics . )
they girl looks jewish , but jews do cluster with s euros , after all . . . the guy could easily be a mexican or other latin american . . . that ' s precisely what i ' d think he was if i saw him . . . at monica i basically agree with you , otoh carlos bardem is simply too tall and naturally strong to pass easily for the average latino .
but as the saying goes , behind every great man is a great woman . in this case , it just so happens to be bardem ' s mother , one of spain ' s most recognizable names and sought - after talents , who will be on hand for the ceremony to support her son , just as she was when he was nominated for his first oscar for his lead performance in 2000 ' s
before night falls .
yeah , it ' s him that i said look slightly more
white
, the other one
javier
could easily pass for a mexican though . i ' d guess he was mexican or latin american before i ' d guess spanish . the carlos guy , looks
more
white , but he could very easily be a latin american imo , there are many in s california who look just like that . at monica i basically agree with you , otoh carlos bardem is simply too tall and naturally strong to pass easily for the average latino .
what the fuck ! how stupid . however i think comparing him to franco and portman is not too smart either . they´re without a doubt white as well . yes . but from a cultural point of view , jewishness seems to be less alien to america - which is meant to be a western and predominantly christian society , right ? - than southern european people and more precisely the iberians . . . . bearing in mind that franco and portman are considered
whiter
than bardem , and the former shows vague semitic traits in his phenotype . its a worrying thought .
the international film festival of cannes in its 2010 edition saw you raise the award statuette for best actor , shared with elio germano . on that occasion , thanked the audience and had a souvenir to penélope cruz ,
i share this joy with my friend , my companion , my love , penelope , i owe you many things and i love you
. . . some critics mentioned that bardem , fully 41 - year - old , only the bear of the berlinale is missing . in the 2010 oscar awards , it was nominated for her role in alejandro gonzález iñárritu ' s biutiful movie .
in 2004 crossed another major role in his career : the of ramón sampedro , the galician quadriplegic who ended his life in 1998 with the help of some close people , in the film of alejandro amenábar sea in . bardem became a masterful interpretation of a man who spent thirty years bedridden in a bed claiming her right to die with dignity . the performance earned him his second copa volpi of the mostra venetian , granted in september of that same year , as well as the award for the best actor at the european film awards , held in december in barcelona , and the goya award for best actor .
urltoken the oscar nominations are in , and award watchers have pinpointed a troublesome detail : except for spanish - born javier bardem , all of the nominees are white . this would seem to be a step backwards , particularly since last year ' s best actress nominees included gabourey sidibe and mo ' nique for precious . what kind of society considers white to an israelian jew like natalie portman or james franco but dumps on a non white minority category an european raised in a wealthy family like bardem - who hardly could ever have experienced any kind of discrimination by the american whites - ? i can understand the confusion with penelope since she is quite woggish and actually part gypsy , but this is just silly . : rolleyes2 : its not only the accent that put them apart . long time ago , martin and charlie sheen had to change their original spanish names in order to be accepted as
whites
and therefore succeed in their respective careers . yes , apparently , in american popular culture - this is not the case of educated people , as a rule - you can´t have a spanish name and be considered white at the same time , despiting the genetic evidence . having a spanish first name myself , the sole idea of step on america with my pasty white skin and my brit accent and being considered a minority is just mind blowing . someone should do something - apart from blaming the damn jews . ( note that this is not an american bashing thread . thanks . )
no , 30 - 50 % is if you are looking at haplogroups . autosomally ( ashkenazi ) jews are 85 % european . if you want to go by haplogroups , then 30 % of spaniards are jews and moors . you can ' t have it both ways . if you want to make ydna hg ' s the standard , this makes iberians 30 % arabic and jewish . if you want to go by autosomal data , then it makes both jews and spaniards european . . . so , which is it ? can ' t have your cake and eat it too , you have to have a single standard . . . genetically the most european out of the 3 would be by far bardem , because the jews are only 30 - 50 % european and don ' t even cluster with europeans in genetic plots . : thumb001 :
in the year 2000 became a new award for the spanish actor . it was at the venice film festival , where the jury , chaired by the director milos forman , awarded the volpi cup for best actor for his work in before night falls ( rather than dark ) , by the american director julian schnabel . his portrayal of cuban writer reynaldo arenas also earned the award for best actor of the year awarded by the national board of review , a prestigious association of critics based in new york . in december , was nominated for golden globe , prize , regarded as the first step toward the hollywood oscar , as a candidate for best actor drama of the year , along with actors of renown as tom hanks ( castaway ) , who finally won the award , rusell crowe ( gladiator ) , michael douglas ( wonderboys ) and geoffrey rush ( quills ) . also the national society of film critics in the united states granted its annual award for best actor for his role in the tape of schnabel . on february 13 , 2001 , at his home in madrid , met the news that his name would include among the five candidates for the oscar for best actor actor of the year 2000 .
this is a lottery and , sometimes , the lottery is not for millionaires , but for the workers . i consider myself a worker in this profession
, the first spanish actor who got a nomination for the film award for excellence , the hollywood oscar said . finally , bardem not collected the prized statuette , which went to the new zealand actor russell crowe for his performance in gladiator , although yes it received the spirit award for best actor of independent cinema .
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today , of course , he ' s scoring some of the most coveted , or at least most interesting , roles in hollywood and european cinema , including his oscar - nominated turn as psychotic killer anton chigurh in
no country for old men .
it ' s his work in the coen brothers ' adaptation of cormac mccarthy ' s violent , meditative novel that has earned him a raft of prizes this award season - - including critical accolades and the screen actors guild prize - - and has positioned him as a front - runner in the category at sunday night ' s academy awards .
now 68 , she was a feminist before anyone in macho spain knew what that was ; for years , she fought for labor rights for actors , civil rights for women , a more liberal catholic church .
why can ' t women be priests ?
she demands to know .
why should they only wash the clothes and make the food ?
in 2003 , her demonstrations against the american - led war in iraq , which spain ' s then - government supported , got her tossed out of the spectators ' gallery in parliament where she and other actors had shown up in
no - to - war
t - shirts .
she is a cancer survivor two times over and raised , alone , three children ( javier is the youngest ) to become very successful adults .
all the while , she pursued a busy acting career : she has appeared in nearly 100 movies , including pedro almodovar ' s
live flesh
with javier , and several television series . she also works on stage .
the theater is like going to a convent ,
she told the spanish daily el pais .
you enter two hours before it starts , to meditate ; you have to repeat the same litany over and over ; you have to get along well with your companions because , if you don ' t , everything is a living hell .
speaking to the times , she added that she likes the stage especially because all is erased with each performance .
there is not a constancy ,
she said .
you return the next day and see something different , depending on the moods of the people involved and the connections you make with the audience .
in addition to her late brother , her parents were stage actors who traveled all over spain to perform . her eldest son , carlos , is an actor and writer , and her daughter , monica , was an actress who now owns a popular restaurant , where the dishes are named after the family ' s movies . ( croquetas
jamon jamon
is especially popular . )
what the fuck ! how stupid . however i think comparing him to franco and portman is not too smart either . they´re without a doubt white as well .
well i guess ignorance will never entirely die , even as society ' s opinions and labels come and go .
he should change his name in the usa to xavier bartlett . : laugh :
there is no hispanic race because they are not mixed thoroughly enough , it ' s still merely a culturo - linguistic group . and even from a culturo - linguistic point of view , countries like mexico or argentina - dont get me start on the iberia peninsula - are almost completely different to each other , even opposites in certain aspects . the obvious lack of homogeneity in the so called
hispanic family
accentuates the artificiality of the term .
whoever wrote that article is wrong anyway . hailee steinfeld is part black and filipino .
ok a jew
offending
spaniards ( and including themselves into the
european world
) . where is the new ? ! this is happening for the last 500 years since their expulsion from our huge domains . indeed they live are spiteful and an insidious race . : ) by :
deb weinstein
urltoken nigger , please . . . urltoken white nose ! . . . . . whoops , i mean , white pride !
urltoken white nose ! . . . . . whoops , i mean , white pride ! she looks like a quadroon .
it depends on the jew . israelians like n . portman tend to have a noticeable orientalid admixture . only ashkenazi jews could be considered mostly genetically european . not that i care . she´s very pretty , i´d marry a woman like her if it wasn´t for her beliefs , which like in most jewish people seem anti - european orientated .
no , 30 - 50 % is if you are looking at haplogroups . autosomally ( ashkenazi ) jews are 85 % european . if you want to go by haplogroups , then 30 % of spaniards are jews and moors . hmmm . . . what ? ? jews are autosomally 30 - 55 % european only , i wasn ' t talking about haplogroups , i was talking about autosomal actually . as for the 30 % jews and moors by haplogroups , i don ' t know where did you get this , but if you add j2 + j1 + e + t spaniards have less than countries like austria or france . you can ' t have it both ways . if you want to make ydna hg ' s the standard , this makes iberians 30 % arabic and jewish . that is not true at all . first , there is no jewish haplogroups , but near - eastern . second , like i said earlier , if you add up the frequency of haplogroup j + e + t in spanairds , it is less than other europeans countries such as austria or france , to mention a just a few . see the study of the 30 - 50 % european admixture in jews :
the researchers were able to estimate that between 35 and 55 percent of the modern ashkenazi genome comes from european descent .
our study represents the largest cohort of ashkenazi jews examined to date with such a high density of genetic markers , and our estimate of admixture is considerably higher than previous estimates that used the y chromosome to calculate european admixture at between five and 23 percent ,
bray says . if you want to go by autosomal data , then it makes both jews and spaniards european . . . autosomally , jews are only 30 - 50 % european , and they don ' t even cluster with other europeans , contrary to spaniards who cluster with french , see the jews at the bottom : urltoken
just compare the dodecad ancestry components of jews and spanairds , see for yourself , almost double of european : ashkenazies : - north european : 16 . 8 % - south european : 33 % - near - eastern : 23 . 7 % total euro : 49 . 8 % spaniards : - north european : 38 . 1 % - south european : 47 . 7 % - near - eastern : 3 . 0 % total euro : 85 . 8 % source : urltoken gc & hl = en & authkey = cpgxtqqm # gid = 0
lol ! ! ! ! i quote a published study by a renowned geneticist and you post a google spread sheet doc , and a picture of pallantide ' s you saved on image shack ? rofl ! ! ! : pound : what an astute and serious
researcher
you are . . . . : rotfl : just compare the dodecad ancestry components of jews and spanairds , see for yourself , almost double of european : ashkenazies : - north european : 16 . 8 % - south european : 33 % - near - eastern : 23 . 7 % total euro : 49 . 8 % spaniards : - north european : 38 . 1 % - south european : 47 . 7 % - near - eastern : 3 . 0 % total euro : 85 . 8 % source : urltoken gc & hl = en & authkey = cpgxtqqm # gid = 0
as for the evidence about spaniards ; it comes from the most most cutting edge genetics labs in the world , it ' s proven not even speculation . if you want the data here , just ask . here it is , france has more e + j than spain , compare pages 41 and 43 : urltoken no , you presented not data regarding autosomes . that ' s in reference to hgs . are you retarded ? they use 1 million snp ' s actually . read again :
our study represents the largest cohort of ashkenazi jews examined to date with such a high density of genetic markers , and our estimate of admixture is considerably higher than previous estimates that used the y chromosome to calculate european admixture at between five and 23 percent ,
bray says . they are exactly saying the previous study used hg ' s but in this one , when using autosomal they had : :
researchers looked for close to one million single nucleotide polymorphisms ( snps )
high linkage disequilibrium can come either from an isolated population ( for example , an island whose residents are all descendents of shipwreck survivors ) or the relatively recent mixture of separate populations . bray and his colleagues did find evidence of elevated linkage disequilibrium in the ashkenazi jewish population , but were able to show that this matches signs of interbreeding or
admixture
between middle eastern and european populations . the researchers were able to estimate that between 35 and 55 percent of the modern ashkenazi genome comes from european descent . if not , then please present the study . i have just presented some of the most credible work on this subject in the world . you have presented some picture off the internet which corresponds to no data . you lose , again . btw , just ask if you want the spanish data here . i can dig it up for you . you want studies on jews ? here : urltoken urltoken urltoken urltoken urltoken
lol ! ! ! ! i quote a published study by a renowned geneticist and you post a google spread sheet doc , and a picture of pallantide ' s you saved on image shack ? rofl ! ! ! : pound : what an astute and serious
researcher
you are . . . . : rotfl : actually this is based in the behar et al . study , see how ashekanzies are a mix of middle - eastern and european : urltoken source : urltoken urltoken
here is another study ( autosomal again ) , jews intermediate between europeans and middle - easterns : jews intermediate between middle eastern and european populations ( kopelman et al . 2009 ) fairly interesting that at k = 5 a palestinian cluster emerges , and jews show mixed affiliations with this cluster and the european one . this is also consistent with the idea that different jewish populations have a levantine element in common , and have also undergone admixture with european ( or more properly european - like ) populations . a weakness of the study is that it does not look into gentile populations in the region between italy and palestine . the main issue in jewish origins is no longer whether they are of middle eastern or european ( or european - like ) origin . it seems pretty clear by now that they are both . the main issue is to determine the origin of their middle eastern and european components . this study does offer some new insight by showing the affinity between jews and palestinians at k = 5 ( purple ) ; however the origin of the european ( or european - like ) component remains elusive . urltoken link : urltoken
the autosomal genetic distances ( table 1 ) do not show any particular resemblance between the jewish populations . eej are closer to italians in particular and to europeans in general than to the other jewish populations . all of the distances , apart from one , differ from zero by more than twice their standard error . a difference between two distances can be considered meaningful , if it is more than twice their largest standard error . the differences between the distance of eej from italians and their distances from the other jewish populations are meaningful according to this criterion , and the same is also true for all the non - jewish populations except for greeks and russians . in fact the distance between eej and italians is the smallest distance in the matrix . a multidimensional scaling plot of the genetic distance matrix ( figure  ( figure1 ) 1 ) captures the proximity of eej to italians and other european populations . the same is also true for the neighbor joining tree ( figure  ( figure2 ) . 2 ) . it should be noted that multidimensional scaling plots are a way to present graphically the intricate relationships of genetic distance matrices . as such they are necessarily less accurate than the matrices on which they are based . in order to understand the genetic affinities of a particular population , one must examine its distances in the matrix itself , not in the plot . the same also applies to the neighbor joining tree . the bootstrap values indicate the robustness of the clustering , but not the significance of individual genetic distances . urltoken
it doesn ' t matter , it ' s irrelevant , 30 % of iberians still have jewish or moorish ancestry . it doesn ' t matter what your little pdf
beginners guide
says about hgs . it ' s about clades and subclades , not overall hgs . just let me know if you want the actual information , i ' ll be happy to dig it up for you . lol i know what study are you talking about , and it ' s based on hg ' s , not autosomal . yes , you idiot , my point exactly , it says y chromosome ( hg data ) , not autosomal data . again , you are making a complete fool of yourself , because you didn ' t even know that the y chromosome is not autosomal ! ! : rotfl : what a retarded you are . you don ' t even know how to read . it actually says the contrary :
our study represents the largest cohort of ashkenazi jews examined to date with such a high density of genetic markers , and our estimate of admixture is considerably higher than previous estimates that used the y chromosome to calculate european admixture at between five and 23 percent ,
bray says . also , 1 millions snps isn ' t shit , and is not
high density
. 1 million snps was considered
high density
a few years back , that in and of itself shows the caliber of the study and the data . . . hmmm . . that study is actually from 2010 . 1million snp ' s is very high for autosomal data . some of your links don ' t even work , the ones which do say things like this :
our analysis indeed revealed higher european admixture than predicted from previous y - chromosome analyses .
and chart ashkenazi jews with other southern europeans . some others are duplicates . you are manipulating , and you know it . that ' s not what it says . it ' s not my problem if you are a retarded and don ' t know how to read . you have yet to post any autosomal data whatsoever . 1 million snp ' s is actually autosomal data . all of the studies that i posted are based on autosomal data . but let me know if you want that data on 30 % of spaniards having sephardic jewish and moorish admixture . i know what study are you talking about , and it ' s based on y - haplogroups , not in autosomal .
bullshit , it ' s not autosomal you moron . . . this is directly from the study you got this graphic from :
the population genetics of jewish populations has been considered primarily from the perspective of the y chromosome and mitochondrial dna
you certainly have the comprehension level of a nonwhite , because you still haven ' t figured out that y chromosome and mtdna are not autosomal . i have told you this at least 30 times now . like some stupid ape you don ' t understand it , despite being told over , and over , and over . . . here is another study ( autosomal again ) , jews intermediate between europeans and middle - easterns : jews intermediate between middle eastern and european populations ( kopelman et al . 2009 ) fairly interesting that at k = 5 a palestinian cluster emerges , and jews show mixed affiliations with this cluster and the european one . this is also consistent with the idea that different jewish populations have a levantine element in common , and have also undergone admixture with european ( or more properly european - like ) populations . a weakness of the study is that it does not look into gentile populations in the region between italy and palestine . the main issue in jewish origins is no longer whether they are of middle eastern or european ( or european - like ) origin . it seems pretty clear by now that they are both . the main issue is to determine the origin of their middle eastern and european components . this study does offer some new insight by showing the affinity between jews and palestinians at k = 5 ( purple ) ; however the origin of the european ( or european - like ) component remains elusive . urltoken link : urltoken
the autosomal genetic distance analysis presented here clearly demonstrates that the investigated jewish populations do not share a common origin . the resemblance of eej to italians and other european populations portrays them as an autochthonous european population . a study conducted in a new york college in the 1920s point to the same ashkenazi - italian similarity on basis of physical characteristics . freshmen were asked before they knew one another to indicate the origin of their fellow students . forty percent of the italians were taken to be ashkenazi jews , and the same percentage of ashkenazi jews was adjudged italians [ 24 ] . eej seem to be mainly italian ( roman ) in origin , which is easily understood , considering the historical evidence presented above . the high correlation between the autosomal genetic distances and geography and the reduced correlation when eej are taken to originate from the land of israel reinforce the european origin of eej . in fact the correlation of the autosomal markers with geography is higher than previously described for 49 classical markers ( 0 . 503 ) or ~ 300 , 000 autosomal snps ( 0 . 661 ) in europe [ 25 ] . if for comparison , only non - jewish european populations are included , the correlation is lower , 0 . 689 , but still higher than the above mentioned correlations . it is also interesting to note how using the three geographic alternatives for eej , changes the correlation , when only european populations are included . the correlation remains almost the same , 0 . 679 , for rome but drops to 0 . 490 and 0 . 571 for warsaw and jerusalem respectively ; further emphasizing the correct geographic origin of eej within europe .
bullshit , it ' s not autosomal you moron . . . this is directly from the study you got this graphic from :
the population genetics of jewish populations has been considered primarily from the perspective of the y chromosome and mitochondrial dna
you certainly have the comprehension level of a nonwhite , because you still haven ' t figured out that y chromosome and mtdna are not autosomal . i have told you this at least 30 times now . like some stupid ape you don ' t understand it , despite being told over , and over , and over . . . hahahaha what a moron . this is from my study :
background : genetic studies have often produced conflicting results on the question of whether distant jewish populations in different geographic locations share greater genetic similarity to each other or instead , to nearby non - jewish populations . we perform a genome - wide population - genetic study of jewish populations , analyzing 678 autosomal microsatellite loci in 78 individuals from four jewish groups together with similar data on 321 individuals from 12 non - jewish middle eastern and european populations
lol i know what study are you talking about , and it ' s based on hg ' s , not autosomal . nope . it ' s autosomal , you have no idea what i ' m talking about . it clearly shows that 30 % of spaniards have moorish or sephardic jewish ancestry . you don ' t want me to show you do you ? you are scared aren ' t you ? ? lol ! ! ! what a retarded you are . you don ' t even know how to read . it actually says the contrary :
our study represents the largest cohort of ashkenazi jews examined to date with such a high density of genetic markers , and our estimate of admixture is considerably higher than previous estimates that used the y chromosome to calculate european admixture at between five and 23 percent ,
bray says . hmmm . . that study is actually from 2010 . 1million snp ' s is very high for autosomal data . lol ! ! nice english there corky . . . this
study
for all i know doesn ' t exist , because you haven ' t provided any link to it at all , and i ' m sure you have a good reason for it - because the study is not on autosomal data . it says that it ' s y chromosome data . ydna is not autosomal . . you have no idea what you are talking about . lol ! ! 1 million snps is
alot for autosomal
? : pound : what a complete moron you are . you have no idea what you are talking about . is not
alot for autosomal
. you are just confirming ( once again ) what an uninformed idiot you are . the truth is there is far , far more autosomal dna than allosomal dna in the human genome . 44 chromosomes of autosomal dna , 2 of allosomal . lmao you poor , poor idiot . . : rotfl : 1 million snp ' s is actually autosomal data . all of the studies that i posted are based on autosomal data . no they are not , you moron , even the studies themselves say they are not . . . once again :
the population genetics of jewish populations has been considered primarily from the perspective of the y chromosome and mitochondrial dna
. we ' ve established what that means , right corky ? ? not autosomal . . . i know what study are you talking about , and it ' s based on y - haplogroups , not in autosomal . no you don ' t . you are just scared for me to post it , it ' s autosomal . . .
you idiot , 678 microsatellite loci . . . that ' s not even a significant number to test . . . you have no idea what you are talking about . . testing 678 loci is insignificant , and that ' s jack shit compared to the fact that most all of the study is based on ydna and mtdna , which is stated in the study . you are over your head again , and have zero idea what you ' re talking about , again . . . hahahaha what a moron . this is from my study :
background : genetic studies have often produced conflicting results on the question of whether distant jewish populations in different geographic locations share greater genetic similarity to each other or instead , to nearby non - jewish populations . we perform a genome - wide population - genetic study of jewish populations , analyzing 678 autosomal microsatellite loci in 78 individuals from four jewish groups together with similar data on 321 individuals from 12 non - jewish middle eastern and european populations
this
study
for all i know doesn ' t exist , because you haven ' t provided any link to it at all , and i ' m sure you have a good reason for it - because the study is not on autosomal data . here is the link : urltoken not about autosomal data ? how about yes : background : genetic studies have often produced conflicting results on the question of whether distant jewish populations in different geographic locations share greater genetic similarity to each other or instead , to nearby non - jewish populations . we perform a genome - wide population - genetic study of jewish populations , analyzing 678 autosomal microsatellite loci in 78 individuals from four jewish groups together with similar data on 321 individuals from 12 non - jewish middle eastern and european populations . it says that it ' s y chromosome data . ydna is not autosomal . . you have no idea what you are talking about background : genetic studies have often produced conflicting results on the question of whether distant jewish populations in different geographic locations share greater genetic similarity to each other or instead , to nearby non - jewish populations . we perform a genome - wide population - genetic study of jewish populations , analyzing 678 autosomal microsatellite loci in 78 individuals from four jewish groups together with similar data on 321 individuals from 12 non - jewish middle eastern and european populations . no they are not , you moron , even the studies themselves say they are not . . . once again :
the population genetics of jewish populations has been considered primarily from the perspective of the y chromosome and mitochondrial dna
. we ' ve established what that means , right corky ? ? not autosomal . . . background : genetic studies have often produced conflicting results on the question of whether distant jewish populations in different geographic locations share greater genetic similarity to each other or instead , to nearby non - jewish populations . we perform a genome - wide population - genetic study of jewish populations , analyzing 678 autosomal microsatellite loci in 78 individuals from four jewish groups together with similar data on 321 individuals from 12 non - jewish middle eastern and european populations .
eej are europeans probably of roman descent who converted to judaism at times , when judaism was the first monotheistic religion that spread in the ancient world . any other theory about their origin is not supported by the genetic data . future studies will have to address their genetic affinities to various italian populations and examine the possibility of other components both european and non - european in their gene pool . the historical sources listed above show that conversion to judaism was common in ancient rome among all ranks of the roman society including the imperial families . it is thus unlikely that the original roman population did not constitute a significant portion of the proselytes . what else can explain the resemblance of eej to a general sample of italians in this study and to more local samples in the two array studies [ 53 , 54 ] ? in all three studies the genetic affinities of the ashkenazim are very similar to the affinities of the italians , with the ashkenazim usually being a bit more distant from the other populations , as can be expected from a population that underwent a stronger genetic drift . it is thus unlikely that the ashkenazim are a mixture of people from different places in the mediterranean basin , unless current - day italians themselves not only have absorbed foreign genetic contributions , but actually constitute such a mixture , and this seems unlikely as well . the very high correlation ( 0 . 926 ) between the genetic distances of eej and geographic distances , when the latter are calculated from rome , also supports the origin of eej from italy or its vicinity and not merely from the mediterranean basin . the similarity to italians was also evident when several italian populations from different provinces were included in a comparison based on classical autosomal markers . most italian populations were closer to eej than all other populations ( data not shown ) . my comments on the papers by atzmon et al . [ 53 ] and behar et al . [ 54 ] are in the discussion . studying autosomal haplotypes will indeed contribute to revealing the ancestries of populations , but in order to gain meaningful insights one ought to study at least several loci and ensure that sample sizes are adequate , this may entail more effort than studying single snps , and i am not sure that the affinities between the populations are going to be depicted more accurately . i changed the phrasing in methods to make it clearer that the formula of reynolds et al . was only used for the calculation of the tree . urltoken
maybe the person who wrote it is mestizo and wants to be spanish but knows they aren ' t , so they decided to drag iberians into the non - white group to make themselves feel better .
here ' s the carlos guy . i promise you , he looks identical to many mexicans : urltoken urltoken urltoken
they ' re canarian . the canary islands has significant guanche ancestry , and guanches were related to moroccan berbers .
always be careful not to throw fellow countrymen under the bus in order to appease ( mostly foreign ) critics , there are
odd
or atypical looking people everywhere , especially when considering those with strong cm elements .
here ' s the carlos guy . i promise you , he looks identical to many mexicans : hahahaha is true ! ! ! this canarian man reminds me the features of your face , especially when you do not dye your hair . urltoken totally agree : )
hmm , apparently not :
the islands were conquered by mostly andalusians and some castilians at the beginnings of the 15th century . in 1402 , they began to subdue the native guanche population and the guanches were initially enslaved and gradually absorbed by the spanish colonizers . after subsequent settlement by spaniards and other european peoples , mainly portuguese , the remaining guanches were gradually diluted by the settlers and their culture largely vanished .
they ' re canarian . the canary islands has significant guanche ancestry , and guanches were related to moroccan berbers .
seriously ? my hair is many shades lighter than that , and my eyes are blue , i ' m also about 25 years younger , have a far more narrow nose , and far more prominent brow . i also have lighter skin , different shaped eyes , and a cleft chin . this man is your kinsfolk mr hispanic , not mine : d hahahaha is true ! ! ! this canarian man reminds me the features of your face , especially when you do not dye your hair . urltoken totally agree : )
maybe the person who wrote it is mestizo and wants to be spanish but knows they aren ' t , so they decided to drag iberians into the non - white group to make themselves feel better . correct . after that reason are many of the attackers to spaniards in the internet ( most of them from americas , mestizos or sudacas as we call them ) . we have in this same thread an example of these hordes . there is another group , also , not amerindian mestizos but jewish . i gave the specific reason in this particular case in my previous post .
hmm , apparently not :
the islands were conquered by mostly andalusians and some castilians at the beginnings of the 15th century . in 1402 , they began to subdue the native guanche population and the guanches were initially enslaved and gradually absorbed by the spanish colonizers . after subsequent settlement by spaniards and other european peoples , mainly portuguese , the remaining guanches were gradually diluted by the settlers and their culture largely vanished .
do you know what ' absorbed ' means ?
yes , it means they are spaniards . . . still scared for me to post that study ? or do you want to see it yet ? ? : d do you know what ' absorbed ' means ?
there is another group , also , not amerindian mestizos but jewish . . i agree , spaniards seem to be a fairly mixed group indeed . . . . i can ' t think of another group which became so mixed from traveling to other parts of the world , and other parts of the world traveling to it . . . i guess that ' s what makes spaniards the
true lords of the earth
. . . that is what you said , right don ? ?
has any neutral party been persuaded by either side of this argument ? at spanish issues , neutrality is not allowed , moreover , it could be taken for a coward form of treason by both sides . : d
why did the retard savang change his avatar ? he looked so badass and scary with the old one . i almost shit on my pants . a true internet warrior with his lol ! ! lol ! ! . if this is the aryan race i want to be australoid vaya tipo más anormal , este se debio comer unas buenas ostias en el cole
i agree , spaniards seem to be a fairly mixed group indeed . . . . i can ' t think of another group which became so mixed from traveling to other parts of the world , and other parts of the world traveling to it . . . i guess that ' s what makes spaniards the
true lords of the earth
. . . that is what you said , right don ? ? porque no te vas a tomar por el culo de una vez subnormal ? : confused :
doesn ' t look like it . . . just looks like a few hispanics doing what they do best , whining and talking shit . . . there is an actual argument urltoken going on in this thread ? : cool :
eej are europeans probably of roman descent who converted to judaism at times , trotsky , chagal , einstein and so on were long lost centurions . aye . makes sense , that . urltoken ave caesar ! ! ! ! the historical sources listed above show that conversion to judaism was common in ancient rome among all ranks of the roman society including the imperial families . an intelligent person would have written ' not absolutely unknown ' . sounds like the posing of weirdos like tony blair ' s sister in law and cat stephens , converting to islam today . or like various crazies on this very forum who change religion every week or so . i seriously doubt that you can get an entire ethnic group with such a beginning of individualist religious window - shoppers , never mind one with such strict endogamy and integrity as the jews . it is thus unlikely that the ashkenazim are a mixture of people from different places in the mediterranean basin , unless current - day italians themselves not only have absorbed foreign genetic contributions , but actually constitute such a mixture , and this seems unlikely as well . it is blatantly obvious that sicilians do constitute a graeco - phoenician - italo - siculian mix . and it is as well known that the canaanites share a pelasgian element with much of the mediterranean littoral . these two facts alone explain the similarities which you exaggerate here . most italian populations were closer to eej than all other populations ( data not shown ) . : d they girl looks jewish , but jews do cluster with s euros , after all . . . wasp genetics bigshot , they let you in universities typing like that ? ! urltoken he has my hair . must have been one of my great great . . . great r1b uncles that had a bit of fun with his guanche great . . . granny . : suomut : : p