grizzly is an american brand of dipping tobacco ( moist snuff ) that was introduced in 2001 .

it is made by the american snuff company and is available in pouches , fine cut , long cut , wide cut , and extra long cut .

grizzly was first sold in 2001 at lower prices and was originally available in long cut wintergreen ( green tin ) and fine cut natural ( red tin ) .

by the end of 2006 , long cut straight ( maroon tin ) , long cut mint ( blue tin ) , long cut natural ( silver tin ) and fine cut wintergreen ( olive tin ) were also introduced .

snuff and wintergreen pouches were released in 2008 , and also began an attempt to change its market position into an upmarket brand .

metal lids became standard in 2010 , replacing the previous all-plastic cans .

wide cut wintergreen was released in 2014 , dark wintergreen long cut and pouches were released in 2015 and dark mint long cut and pouches released in september 2016 .

as of december 2014 , grizzly was cited as the flagship brand of reynolds american with a 31.1 % market share in snuff brands .

grizzly ( tobacco )

grizzly snuff is an american dipping tobacco by the american snuff company . grizzly is available as long cut , fine cut and pouches . order today at urltoken and benefit from the best prices .
i have been dipping for 5 weeks now will get mouth cancer ? i dip grizzly wintergreen and grizzly mint . i can go through one can in 5 days
in 2008 , two new items were introduced , grizzly snuff and grizzly wintergreen pouches , placed in market with quality cues communicating a new message about grizzly’s being a premium brand . the new message reflected the change in the primary message from “everyday low price” to more of a focus on the quality , heritage and tobacco expertise found in every can of grizzly .
copenhagen is always a very good brand along with grizzly . those two are the most natural chewing tobacco in my opinion .
i’ve always been stuck to grizzly . strong flavour . powerful hit . cheap price .
i get the most satifactionout of grizzly . the acidity is better and amount of nicatine .
u . s . –grown tobacco is the primary ingredient in each of our premium tobacco products .
grizzly , the flagship moist snuff tobacco brand of memphis - based american snuff co . , is celebrating 10 years of unprecedented success . grizzly has become the best - selling smokeless tobacco brand on the u . s . market in 10 short years — something unique to the industry that has never been done before . from its introduction in 2001 , grizzly grown to command 26 . 7 % of the moist smokeless category today . grizzly accounts for 43 . 7 % volume of all long cut wintergreen , the most popular smokeless in the industry .
i ' m a grizzly wintergreen man . but every once in a while i will dip stokers . by far it is the juiciest and the longest lasting dip i ' m tried . great dip . my second favorite dip behind grizzly .
grizzly is now focused on becoming a # 1 brand within the naturals segment . many would view this as a tall order for a brand like grizzly that has only been around a short while . but , american snuff co . has been in the natural dry snuff business since 1900 , so grizzly’s roots are in naturals . american snuff co . has the know - how and expertise to provide the highest quality and best tasting natural tobacco products . with a renewed focus on premium quality , heritage , and tobacco expertise , grizzly premium natural is well positioned to better compete and continue strengthening its market position .
in early 2010 grizzly introduced metal lids across the entire product line to elevate the brand position , increase brand equity , and retain franchise adult consumers . this packaging transition has helped the grizzly brand continue its positive market share growth despite tremendous pressure from competitive moist smokeless brands . today , the moist snuff category is growing at more than 7 % , and grizzly is driving that increase .
i dip grizzly every day and it the wintergreen . i love grizzly because it calms my nerves after a long day . my first dip was grizzly wintergreen and it gave my the biggest nicotine buzz , i still dip grizzly and i still love it i remember me , my brother , and his friends hangin out in the back yard of where i lived and my brother put a dip in and so did his friend , i asked em if i could try some and i three fingered it and they said it wasn ' t a good idea for me to three finer it and i did anyways . it was amazing grizzly is my # 1 favorite by far .
dr . rodu and two colleagues at the university in birmingham analyzed varieties of moist snuff , plug tobacco and chewing tobacco that account for 95 percent of the smokeless tobacco sold in the united states .
looseleaf chewing tobacco and plug tobacco generally had less nicotine than moist snuff , dr . rodu said . factors like moisture content , additives and tobacco varieties account for the differing nicotine levels , he said .
grizzly has one of the most popular wintergreens out today , which is available in long cut , wide cut , fine cut , and pouches . - fazecain
copenhagen is by far the best , but longhorn is easily 2 or 3 maybe behind grizzly . started chewing longhorn cause of price but has a great taste .
the tobacco industry denies aiming its smokeless products at young people . it also says there is no established pattern of smokeless tobacco users switching to cigarettes .
for more information about u . s . smokeless tobacco co . or its products , visit urltoken . if you decide to quit tobacco , visit urltoken .
tobacco manufacturers have never made the information public , dr . tomar said , and other researchers have left out brand names for fear of lawsuits by tobacco companies .
with the headline : smokeless tobacco is ranked by nicotine levels for first time .
this is a loose leaf tobacco brand which comes in a wintergreen and original . it is one of the more popular chewing tobacco brands out there . - fazecain
are you a pipe person , or a tobacco person , or little of both .
copenhagen is the top seller among all smokeless products , according to the tobacco reporter .
stick with the popular brands , like copenhagen and grizzly . skoal is okay . avoid longhorn and kayak , which is nicknamed
yak ,
since that ' s what it tastes like .
do not confuse chewing tobacco ( the loose stuff that comes in a bag , like red man ) with the slightly classier dipping tobacco ( the more finely chopped stuff in a tin ) .
smokeless tobacco has the same amount of carcinogens as coffee . and just tobacco had nicotine . coffee has caffeine which are both addictive . the only real truth is tobacco is addictive , just like coffee . and think about how many people in the u . s . alone drink coffee .
johnny chewing tobacco is pretty much the same a dip . just lasts longer in my opinion .
you’re in the wrong place if you’re looking for real tobacco . we’re all about quitting here .
only 1 % of the general population get cancer from chewing tobacco , becasue not a big percentage of the population does it . what’s the percentage of people who do chew tobacco , that get cancer ?
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plus , grizzly has the best - selling wintergreen pouches in the industry with 45 . 1 % of all wintergreen pouch volume . but the growth story doesn’t end there . it began in september 2001 , when conwood company ( the former name of american snuff co . ) tested and launched a new , no - frills , high - quality product with the brand name “grizzly . ” initially consisting of two styles , long cut wintergreen and fine cut natural – grizzly was introduced at an everyday - low price and supported with a price - focused message . through 2006 , four subsequent styles — ( long cut straight , long cut mint , long cut natural and fine cut wintergreen ) were launched and were supported in much the same way . by the end of 2006 , grizzly was the number one price - value brand and the number three share of market moist brand in the u . s .
reynolds american ' s snuff brands are also performing well , with its flagship grizzly brand increasing its market share to 31 . 1 % in the third quarter , up 0 . 1 percentage point from the year - ago quarter .
the research showed moist snuff - - the only type of smokeless tobacco with increasing sales , according to the tobacco reporter , a trade journal - - has the highest nicotine levels . ' very high ' nicotine level
why tobacco ? because it affected me personally . i’m not one of these anti - tobacco zealots ( or at least i don’t try to be ) that says “everyone needs to quit – ban all tobacco ! ! ! ” that’s sort of a silly tact in my opinion . we’re all adults . if you choose to use tobacco , that’s your choice . if and when someone makes their decision then we’ll be there for them .
in much of the rest of america , smokeless tobacco is huge and getting huger . by 2013 , about six million americans regularly stuffed tobacco in their mouth , and sales were rising by about 6 percent a year .
u . s . smokeless tobacco company is the leading producer and marketer of moist smokeless tobacco . the company ' s leading brands , copenhagen and skoal , each represent more than $ 1 billion in annual retail sales .
i’m having a hard time making the leap from “defaming tobacco” to “defaming america” but i’ll let that one slide .
tobacco is a sacred , healing plant in native american spirituality . it was used long before european contact and “big tobacco” . this plant that you seem to consider a scourge is beneficial in certain types of mental illness and also parkinson’s disease . this is because of nicotine , a relatively harmless drug that promotes feelings of contentment , and pleasure . all tobacco that is not smoked , i . e . snuff , snus , chewing tobacco , etc . , is less carcinogenic than smoked tobacco . the cancer risks of tobacco , particularly dip , are overblown . tsna levels ( tobacco specific nitrosamines ) , the principal carcinogens in tobacco , can be controlled ( look at the gothiatek standards for swedish snus ) . if we focused on safer tobacco rather than letting the government find another way to take our hard earned money through tax raises , or banning it outright , which you probably support , we could make tobacco much safer than it already is , which is pretty safe to begin with . i come from a long , proud line of tobacco users , sir , and it really gets under my skin when i hear someone defaming tobacco , and in doing so , defaming america . tobacco is in my blood , literally and figuratively , as i write this . you twist the truth . you lie . citing specific cases of cancer caused by dip makes it seem that it is much more of a risk than it is in reality . but you don’t live in reality , do you ? per capita , cases of cancer among tobacco users are exceedingly rare , and the risk is negligible .
good taste , good texture , great nicotine buzz . started chewing this cause it was cheap and ended up really enjoying it . i haven ' t been chewing super long but i think this deserves a # 4 spot behind copenhagen , skoal , and grizzly
an estimated 10 million american adults use smokeless tobacco , the federal disease centers said . about 20 percent of high school - age boys chewed tobacco or dipped snuff in 1991 , an eightfold increase from 15 years earlier , the centers estimated .
copenhagen offers the most flavor of any dip i ' ve had yet . it ' s very moist . i live in a pretty country ass area , and cope ' s # 1 round these parts . ( grizzly ' s probably a far # 2 )
can ' t say i agree with grizzly topping several of the chews below it . but that is just based on personal taste preference . i started with copenhagen and that is one hell of a bar to try to reach by any company . i will say that the in mouth flavor is not horrible , but the after taste was always nasty to me . tried several flavors of this brand and always got the same aftertaste . perhaps it ' s the imported tobacco used in it ? not sure . all in all grizzly is not a horrid chew , but it definitely does not beat out skoal , redman or levi garret in my view .
i’m pretty sure this was calculated about sweden . and they’re a huge tobacco country . and not as big as the us
hey bud . i’m only 15 and i dip . one way to stop it is to start getting sunflower seeds and if that doesn’t work , smokey mountain makes a non tobacco dip that doesn’t contain nicotine or tobacco and can’t give you cancer .
i’m not going to respond to the place tobacco has in the native american spirituality as i have no frame of reference .
i sit in the corner and quietly spit my chunky tobacco juice into a thermos . i feel rebellious and dirty and unhealthy .
dr . rodu ( a doctor who has his work paid for by big tobacco ) doesn’t hold much weight around these parts .
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the study , financed by the university of alabama - birmingham , was not meant to influence the debate over whether tobacco companies hope young people become addicted to the nicotine in smokeless tobacco so that they will switch to cigarettes , said its author , dr . brad rodu .
we offer the largest smokeless tobacco selection online . we can’t keep it all to ourselves , so we ship worldwide , and we make sure the shipping is fast , so you can enjoy your smokeless tobacco as soon as possible . so , what are you up for ? swedish snus , american snuff , nicotine pouches , nordic chew , chew bags , makla , american chew or nasal snuff ? we offer it all and of course we only carry top brands such as camel snus , skoal , general , skoal , copenhagen , grizzly , jakobsson’s , thunder , göteborgs rape , siberia and many more . if you are a true smokeless tobacco fan we also offer an exclusive merchandise collection for you and your friends . order t - shirts , hoodies , sunglasses , caps and more today and let the world know about swedish snus and smokeless tobacco .
physically , it ' s more of a challenge than i thought . the tobacco stings my cheek like orange juice on a canker sore .
american snuff co . has been a memphis - based business for more than a century , first starting operations in 1900 . the company is soon to open its state - of - the - art new manufacturing facility in memphis , constructed in 2011 , and has recently expanded operations in clarksville , tenn . celebrating its 10th anniversary , grizzly is leading the way with innovative products that are an integral part of reynolds american’s total tobacco portfolio .
a study released by the surgeon general in 1992 asserted that 75 percent of the 30 , 000 new cases of oral cancer reported that year were caused by cigarettes and smokeless tobacco . an industry group , the smokeless tobacco council , contends there is no scientific evidence linking smokeless products with cancer .
but in recent decades , dwindling opportunities for overt manliness have many of us spittin ' like there ' s no tomorrow , and chew remains a force for millions of americans—a large majority of them male , according to the cdc . this i could have guessed . my freezer has been filling up with these hockey pucks of tobacco i order online , and the logos are almost comically macho : a grizzly bear , a rifle , a longhorn bull—everything but a scrotum .
for the first time , university researchers here have published the nicotine levels of top - selling brands of snuff and chewing tobacco in a leading dental journal .
if you’ve not started and you “want” to get into dipping , i’d suggest a non - nicotine / non - tobacco version . there are several here : urltoken
tobacco opponents are pressing for regulation of cigarettes by the food and drug administration by arguing that nicotine is a drug and that companies manipulate its content in cigarettes .
skoal long cut straight and copenhagen , another united states tobacco product , ranked next , with levels of 3 . 33 percent and 3 . 2 percent , respectively .
levi garrett makes loose leaf tobacco , which comes in a mail pouch and is chewed on rather than sucked on , which makes it different from most of the other brands on this list . this is by far the best quality loose leaf tobacco , with great flavor and cut and it is available in most stores . - fazecain
husky to me is about like taking half a can of timberwolf and half a can of grizzly and throwing it in the same package . it was never a very good snuff , and left a weird aftertaste . the flavor did not last very long either . it was not the worst dip i tried but it was not far from it either . .
learn the lingo . a pinch of tobacco is called a
hog ,
a
hammer ,
a
dinger ,
or a
ham hock .
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no , i ' m just using it for spit ,
i say , taking out my tin of copenhagen .
i ' m testing out chewing tobacco .
list of the top 10 smokeless tobacco brands in my opinion , based on quality , flavor , price , variety , popularity , nicotine content , and availability among other aspects .
i have dipped for 30 of my 45 years of life . dipped skoal for about 20 years , grizzly about 5 years and now buy stokes by the tub . it is cheaper but juicer and has more flavor . i ' m past anything that gives me a buzz . skoal didn ' t even give me a buzz and i haven ' t spit in about 25 years .
before you take a pinch , tap the top of the tin three times to condense your tobacco . use three fingers to grab your dip from the tin , chopstick - style .
hello , does anyone know of a tobacco free nicotine pouch manufacture ? i am starting a company and need a product similar to urltoken and appreciate any help on this matter . thanks
i’ve chews for a few years now and i don’t see a problem with it . i have never heard of anybody that i know that has had cancer from tobacco products either .
smokeless tobacco went into decline for a couple of reasons , including the rise of cigarettes and fear of disease . ( doctors of the day probably incorrectly thought the spit was spreading tuberculosis . )
red seal competes in the discount category and comes in both long cut and fine cut . it ' s known for offering real american value and has 25 percent more tobacco than leading brands .
if mint or fruity flavors is your thing in a chew , this brand is definitely for you . i ' ve always seen skoal as us smokeless ' hybrid line . skoal definitely has the most assorted of flavors to choose from , and they are all reasonably good . of course everyone is going to have a least favorite and a favorite . its no copenhagen but its also far better than timberwolf and grizzly .
i’ve not researched the details of that particular case so i can’t comment . i’ll simply say this… while i clearly hate big tobacco , if i were on a jury where someone was suing them i’d most likely rule the same way . not because tobacco wasn’t at fault but because i’d have a hard time awarding the case to the marsee family for something sean chose to do to himself .
what i have issue here is your rather ignorant statement that i “probably support” the outright banning of tobacco . that couldn’t be further from the truth . believe me , don’t believe me… your choice .
the concentration of nicotine in smokeless tobacco is higher than that in cigarettes , which ranges from about 1 . 5 to 2 . 5 percent , according to food and drug administration figures . but experts who have studied the intake of nicotine in cigarette smokers , pipe smokers and those who use smokeless tobacco , have found that the amount is consistent . it averages about 20 to 25 milligrams a day .
skoal long cut wintergreen , a type of moist snuff made by the united states tobacco company , had the highest nicotine level of 11 brands analyzed : 3 . 35 percent of its total dry weight .
introduced in 1934 , skoal is the number two premium moist smokeless tobacco brand in the u . s . it comes in fine cut , long cut and two different pouch forms – skoal pouches and skoal bandits . skoal guarantees freshness through its distinctive freshsnap can , which features a “guaranteed fresh until” date on the bottom . like all of our products , skoal is made from 100 percent american - grown tobacco .
i have been on and off of chew for the last 13 years , i’m now turning 40 in a few months , i’ve quit cold turkey for over a year before . but after a friend offered some went back to it . my wife wants me to quit , its a hard thing to just give up . i started chewing redman long leaf while i was deployed to iraq . and changed its up to skoal and now grizzly .
this one should be number one . it ' s smooth on the mouth , has great flavor , tastes natural , has a natural feeling buzz ( unlike grizzly or skoal which feels chemical ) , has a great kick , you can dip it all day and do it again tomorrow with no soreness , and the cut is second to none . you can always get the perfect pinch , and can count on it being smooth no matter what .
but i get it . in my social circle , chewing tobacco elicits universal disgust . it brings to mind marrying your second cousin , jaw cancer , and cups of warm brown spit at awful frat parties long ago .
what if we don’t want to quit ? leave us alone tobacco isn’t even bad like it’s addictive yes but i’m 35 been dipping since i was 12 and there is nothing wrong with me dentist can’t even tell i dip… .
i have been told to quit chewing by someone who had a cigarette hanging from their mouth . my point is that people get so caught up in how tobacco causes cancer they don’t see the whole picture . i’m trying to see the point of view from all these people that are anti - tobacco but i just cant seem to get head that far up your a * * . let people make their own decisions and let them make their own decisions .
how the hell is it a slim chance ? according to urltoken 19 . 2 % of men alone died in 2010 from tobacco usage . how is this not risky ? that’s nearly a fifth of the men who died in 2010 .
another brand that i don ' t see how it is this low on the list . kodiak has been around for a little while now , and back when i was a young boy was very cheap . i think you could get a free can with the purchase of a can of something else ( can ' t remember which brand ) . their wintergreen is much better than grizzly ' s to me , and the cut of the tobacco isn ' t bad either . it is easy to pinch and the flavor lasts for a reasonable amount of time . the only problem i had with kodiak was that from time to time you would by an in date roll and it would be completely dry , but that was far and few between .
i believe dip can cause cancer but i also believe it’s a very slim chance , in fact research has shown that smokeless tobacco causes cancer in 1 % of the general population . i don’t think you need to worry about cancer guys .
alan kizer , a spokesman for united states tobacco in greenwich , conn . , said he had not seen the study and could not comment on its findings . but he did say that smokeless products were known to vary in nicotine content .
a third tells me ,
there are more of us than you think . i live in a small connecticut town where a lot of people work in finance . and the gas station here has a whole fridge full of smokeless tobacco .
just because the flavor of a dip seems to be non - harmful , make no mistake about it – these products contain tobacco and nicotine ! ! ! they are not safe alternatives to cigarettes , they are addictive and they can cause cancer .
can you please put that somewhere else ?
my wife asks . she points to the brown lump of tobacco on the sink . damn , that is a sad sight . a clear sign that i ' m on the verge of addiction .
my editors—who are all from texas , for some reason—were shocked that a yankee like me had never tried it . they prescribed a fix : take oral tobacco ( street name :
dip
or
chaw
) for a month and report back .
physically , it ' s more of a challenge than i thought . the tobacco stings my cheek like orange juice on a canker sore . and i have no control over my wad . it ' s supposed to stay compact , but strands of tobacco migrate all over my mouth . the spit builds up fast . i put my empty poland spring bottle to my lips and do my best . but instead of the bullet i ' ve seen ballplayers emit , i let loose a messy , chin - dribbling drool .
i obviously need some guidance . i search the internet for
how to chew tobacco .
the first piece of advice that pops up : don ' t start . the web is loaded with images of receding gums , caramel - colored teeth , missing jaws , and white patches called gator lip , along with testimonials on how smokeless tobacco is absolutely , positively not a safe alternative to smoking . ( the centers for disease control and prevention reminds us that it might contain delicious arsenic , lead , and mercury . )
max shea—who works in international equities at cantor fitzgerald—tells me he dips when he has to work late nights writing reports .
you ' re not going to fall asleep with tobacco in your mouth , no matter how many years you ' ve been chewing it .
i smoked for 11 years , started dipping skoal berry for about a month , before i educated myself on what i was doing to myself . when i discovered swedish snus , i then realized that the addictive burn and buzz from skoal was really all the chemicals that they added , and had nothing to do with tobacco at all . now my i’m slowing cutting back , not because i’m forcing myself to , the boredom of dipping general loose snus and the lack of chemical additives is naturally allowing my body to stop tobacco products all together . and being that swedish snus is considered to be a food , it’s against their laws to allow anything bad to be put into their product except water , tobacco , salt , humectants , and flavouring . i think it’s the best first step in quitting dip .
dr . scott tomar , a smokeless - tobacco specialist with the centers for disease control and prevention in atlanta , said that he had not seen the study but that it was important because it was the first to give nicotine levels by brand . first ties to brand names
i ' m not rabidly opposed to oral tobacco . i now understand its appeal very well—the buzz , the ritual , the oral fixation , the history . i understand the possibility—according to some research—that it ' s not as dangerous as cigarettes ( a position that remains controversial ) .
spitting is the most controversial part of smokeless tobacco . it ' s the part my family hates most , thanks to the half - filled diet coke cans i often forget to clean up that dot the tables of my apartment . miraculously , no one has yet taken a swig .
red seal is a dip which is manufactured by u . s . smokeless , the company that manufactures skoal and copenhagen . with cans that have 25 percent more tobacco than normal cans , it is a great dip to either start out on , or to dip every day . - fazecain
copenhagen , born in 1822 , was among the first brands of moist smokeless tobacco on the market , and today remains the most authentic and best - selling premium product in the category , with retail sales exceeding $ 1 billion per year . it ' s available in original fine cut and long cut , as well as in copenhagen pouches . copenhagen is also known for freshness , with a “sell by date” stamped on the bottom of every can , and for such distinguishing features as its traditional metal lid and fiberboard can . like all of our products , copenhagen is made from 100 percent american - grown tobacco .
and yet not all smokeless tobacco requires spitting . i figure it ' s time to test out some saliva - free versions . first , i try a tin of dry snuff . snuff is powdered tobacco you can ingest by snorting . it ' s got a long history—beethoven and napoleon loved to carry around boxes of it—but snuff just reminds me of cheap , dirty - looking cocaine . when i sniff a little mound , it makes my nose burn , then i sneeze repeatedly . i can ' t get over the brown powder all over my hands . i look like i just came in from plowing potato fields .
: my late husband , who died 3 days before his 80th birthday , quit cigarettes altogether & went with tinsley thick tobacco to chew . he had always used it at events where no smoking was allowed . he was very neat & discrete about his use , never spitting in a group , etc . he was very disciplined .
i ' m stuffing in bigger hogs . you can spot the swelling in my cheek , perhaps conveniently foreshadowing the tumor i ' ll eventually develop . the lumps of tobacco affect my speech . they make me sound—appropriately enough—like i have a kentucky drawl . the phrase
nice to see you
comes out
nahs to shee ya .
urltoken is dedicated to helping people who are trying to quit the addiction of chewing or dipping tobacco . the quit forum is administered by 7 ex - dippers whose goal is to allow people to gain the same freedom from chewing they have attained . disclaimer : any advice given is from personal experience only and should not be considered medical advice .
you’ve got every right to be offended for me “defaming tobacco” . people being offended seems to be a national past time these days . i speak from personal experience . i hated being an addict to the stuff and i’m proud that i was able to to quit . i was weak and now i’m stronger and better off without it in my life .
i could go on for days but i’m going to let dr . rodu do the talking for me . i’ve had way too many relatives die of shit causes that dipped to believe that it causes cancer . i promise that the fda providing these false numbers is a ploy to make the christian anti - tobacco extremists happy and you have fallen for it my good man .
she ' s a sport . she agrees . taking a pinch of the skoal mint in her lip , she grimaces . but nothing like her expression as she watched me begin my habit . the reality is less repulsive than the idea . she spits—
pfftoo , pfftoo .
she looks at me and smiles , flecks of tobacco on her teeth .
give us a kiss ?
then , with alarming speed , comes the nausea . i don ' t throw up—a common dipping - tobacco rite of passage—but i feel profoundly uneasy , like i ' m in a two - seater airplane bouncing through a snowstorm above buffalo . i sweat . light hurts my eyes . i space out , staring at my iphone and trying to remember why i took it out . i burp repeatedly .
latest conference call hints at a brighter future for u . s . tobacco companies . while many challenges remain , the company is primed for a better year ahead as it counters cigarette volume declines and grows its e - cigarette business . here ' s what reynolds american ' s management team wants you to know about its progress . all quotes are taken from the oct . 12 conference call with analysts .
i first got interested in it while researching companies ,
one tells me . he prefers not to use his name , since he ' s in the closet at both work and home ( where he keeps the tins hidden in the basement , away from his wife ) .
the smokeless - tobacco market was growing . i justified my habit because i told myself i was doing research .
i’m brian currently 27 and dip 2 1 / 2 – 3 cans a day of kayak lc winter green and have been dipping almost 19 years somthing has got to give for health and financial reasons . i don’t want to try fake tobacco i did that for 10 months in 2012 . i don’t want a crutch i want to be freed from this bondage . anyone have any advice or helpful scriptures .
our companies are also building for the long term and that means investing in platforms for sustainable growth in an evolving environment as part of our strategy to transform the tobacco industry . this too is paying off . . . . vuse production capacity is still being ramped up and i would remind everyone that the company will continue to make substantial investments on vuse in the fourth quarter in line with the brand’s expansion .
tastewise , i ' m prepared for the worst . one helpful internet commenter warned that dip tastes like
big foot ' s dick .
another : like
a rodent exploded in my mouth .
but actually , i find it more weird than gross . the clean taste of mint mixes with the dirty tobacco—it ' s an odd paradox , like i ' m licking an ashtray filled with tic tacs and marlboro butts .
i honestly feel terrible for any one that gets addicted to chewing . i have chewed for years by choice some times i go for months without any tobacco or nicotine and other times i go threw 3 cans a day but its all based on if i feel like it . i could stop today and never touch it again . but i still chew because i know i can stop at any time and the buzz is great !
in fairness this is blog about quitting . i have no intention of quitting and just happened to stumble across this page heading decided to troll . i love a good debate though so here we go . why would you make a comment about my misplace capitalizations and not about why you chose tobacco as your scapegoat and not one of the million other health concerns that scientists have told us is killing us ? no more trolling simply seeking answers .
but the public has a right to know . so i forge ahead . i stumble onto a youtube channel founded by a man who calls himself the dip doctor . the doctor is perhaps not the best person to dispel chewing - tobacco stereotypes . he wears a camouflage cap adorned with a confederate flag . his t - shirt reads pure white trash . he owns a company called mud jug that sells portable spittoons with names like backwoods badass outlaw .
as you might imagine , a large number of users are baseball players and good ol ' boys . but according to my admittedly unscientific research , it ' s also catching on among wall streeters . i ' ve met several finance guys who semi - secretly keep a tin in the back pocket of their suit . smokeless tobacco is big enough that it ' s the target of a crackdown . by 2017 , ten major league stadiums will have banned it .
ok guys lets be honest here your chances of getting mouth cancer are low . remember cancer is treatable if found early . i do monthly checks and i recommend you do it too . chewing tobacco and dip don’t cause mouth cancer or any cancer for that sort . it may effect it but it’s not the main cause . everybody wants you to stop dipping because they think it looks nasty . well they have to suck it up and deal with it . cancer is an overgrowth of cells and last time i checked dip and chew don’t do that… smoke does . so nobody should stop dipping because a man in a white labcoat says stop dipping and chewing tobacco just because he’s paid to say that . do what you want to do . i’m 25 and i’ve dipped since i was 16 . i have no health problems and i’m active and fit . i also go through a can a day . do what you want .
there’s really no right or wrong one , but you wanna start probably with something that isn’t real strong as using weaker tobacco gives your body time to get acclimated to the nicotine . the strongest ones ( ones you should avoid ) are mint , wintergreen , southern blend , and in many cases , straight . i’d say go for something pretty mild at first like skoallc cherry or wolf peach . then start out with baby pinches and work your way up to your most comfortable serving size .
this is hilarious . the guy who is “fighting to keep us healthy ” is to caught up being an english teacher advance his cause . it’s people like this that make me sick . quit drinking soda they cause health issues . quit eating gluten it’s bad for you . unless you grow your own food and raise your own cattle you’re eating shit that has man - made chemicals in it that’ll probably all bad for your health so why pick on tobacco ? is it because they’re successful ?
smokeless tobacco damn near killed me . if not physically then mentally and emotionally . it’s something that i did for 16 + years and when i quit there was very little info out there that spoke to me , the dipper . there was ( and continues to be ) a ton of info for smokers . i , and the other founders of ktc , set out to build a community where people who were looking to quit could come and get support , get questions answered , etc . that’s what we’ve done .
best snus i ' ve come across . harder to find but definitely worth it . not really a chew , comes in portioned pouches and just sits in your lip but you can swallow normally . i just tell people i have gum in if they ' re not tobacco friendly , and i can use it all day at work . personally i go for the mint ( blue can ) but the other flavors are either too potent or nonexistent . i like the mint flavor a lot , complements the snus flavor well .
next i test out an increasingly popular product called snus . snus started in sweden , where they remain hugely popular . they ' re little individual packets of tobacco , each one the size of a chiclet . you tuck the snus into your upper lip , not the lower , because it ' s the scandinavian way . there ' s some evidence snus might be a tad healthier than chew , though i wouldn ' t bet my insurance premium on it . regardless , they cause much less saliva . you rarely if ever need to spit .
i’ve never joined conversations before but after reading some comments thought i would chime in…i’ve been chewing since i was 12 and am now 53 . . i’ve never had any tobacco related health issues . . that being said , it is obviously addicting and not “good” for you . . so if you’ve never tried it . . don’t . just because nothing has happened to me so far doesn’t mean anything won’t happen to you . every body is different and reacts different ways…my advice is run your own life and don’t let any addiction run it for you……
the moderation in the cigarette volume rate of decline is terrific news for all u . s . tobacco companies . reynolds american ' s volume declined 2 . 9 % in the quarter and industry volume declined just 2 . 7 % . the company ' s core cigarette brands - - camel and pall mall - - performed even better : pall mall volume decreased 1 . 5 % and camel volume increased 3 % . management expects industry volume to decline 3 . 5 % for the year , a significant improvement from last year ' s 4 . 6 % decline .
i have been reading up on the history of my new habit . native americans chewed tobacco leaves for centuries . after columbus , european settlers took to the new drug , with popularity reaching its height in america in the nineteenth century . in 1842 , charles dickens visited our shores and was thoroughly grossed out by what he called the torrents of
yellow rain .
he noted there were spittoons everywhere—in courtrooms , hospitals , the senate . and in the white house , where the president ' s inner circle often ignored spittoons and just
bestowed their favors
on the carpet .
i started with grizzly , then copenhagen ( both were wintergreen ) and then i saw i could get stokers straight dip for $ 2 . 65 and i could get two for the price of one . for me , that wasn ' t a bad choice . every tin i buy of stokers is completely full and tightly packed so they seem to be consistent , and it is always fresh and good quality because it doesn ' t fall apart when i pinch . hell i almost took half the tin with one pinch because it was so well packed . it is very strong . i guess i can ' t say i like it like want to taste it or crave the flavor but i guess it ' s one of those things that you acquire a taste for . it smells terrible because it ' s so strong but overall , i feel like people aren ' t giving stokers credit . i once tried a tin of rum flavor skoal and i got it for dirt cheap . it was loose and not packed as tight as my stokers and it tasted like ass . i don ' t know how to describe it other than i couldn ' t dip it it was so bad . it may have been a bad tin but until a quality skoal tin . . . more
hey wesley – if you’re looking to quit but still want to continue the “act” of dipping , there are several products available that contain no nicotine and no tobacco that would be perfect for you . you can find them at the following link which will also give you reviews , coupons and ingredients . urltoken also , when you’re ready to quit , i’d urge you to join our forum at urltoken where we’ve got over 19 , 000 members that “get it” cause we’ve all been right where you are . it’s the best resource available to get questions answered and support from people who know what you’re dealing with .
i know a lot of people do not like snus . me personally , i really enjoyed the flavors of camel snus but the fact they only make it in spitless pouches is what deters me from this product . if they were to package in loose grain cans like other snuff companies or at least put more packets in their tins i believe they would be a bit more successful with this product . it was not a horrible idea , and as i said i liked their flavors . i think robust was the one i enjoyed the most . frost was also on the same page for me . just not enough tobacco for the price it costs . plus i always had to put in like 3 packets just to get a feel from it . so weak nicotine , needless to say . kind of surprising coming from a company that produces one of the strongest cigarettes on the market .
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reynolds american ' s adjusted eps for q3 was $ 0 . 95 , up 10 . 5 % from the year - ago quarter as the company worked on its core brands and new products .
for some time now , our strategy has been to strengthen the operational performance and profitability of our core cigarette and moist snuff businesses . as you can see from today ' s report , these efforts are really paying off . earnings and margin are up across the board and our companies ' key brand remained a powerful force in the competitive marketplace .
better volume and higher pricing combined for solid earnings growth in the third quarter . adjusted eps for q3 was $ 0 . 95 , up 10 . 5 % from the year - ago quarter . management shifted its focus to camel and pall mall - - the two core brands that it will retain after its planned merger with
- - resulting in higher market share for both brands . the company recently changed pall mall ' s packaging , giving it an enhanced look and feel to emphasize its premium quality .
these brands ' strong performance contributed to 10 . 5 % earnings per share growth . the stock is up more than 10 % since the quarter ' s results were reported . .
since lorillard ' s blu e - cigarette brand will be jettisoned when the merger is completed , reynolds american is counting on its vuse to capture a large share of the emerging e - vapor market . already available in nearly 70 , 000 retail outlets , vuse ' s distribution will be further expanded in the early part of 2015 . the brand will require further investment to increase production capacity , though management has not yet specified how much additional investment will be necessary to complete vuse ' s nationwide rollout . however , cameron expects that vuse will be profitable by the middle of 2015 , thus creating a tailwind for earnings growth .


pt lion mentari airlines , operating as lion air , is an indonesian low-cost carrier .

based in jakarta , indonesia , lion air is the country 's largest privately run airline , the second largest low-cost airline in southeast asia after airasia and the second largest airline of indonesia , flying to more than 79 destinations in indonesia , singapore , malaysia and saudi arabia , as well as charter routes to china , hong kong and macau .

established in 1999 , lion air has seen tremendous growth in the past several years , having acquired over 100 aircraft with nearly 500 more on order .

the airline has repeatedly broken records for largest aircraft orders , such as its $ 24 billion order for 234 airbus a320 jets , as well as its $ 22.4 billion order for 230 competing aircraft from boeing .

the airline signed agreement with us-based aircraft manufacturer boeing for 50 737 max 10 passenger jets worth $ 6.24 billion in june , 2017 .

the airline is the 2nd largest customer of boeing .

it had once been criticized for poor operational management in areas such as scheduling and safety , although steps have been taken to improve its safety : on june 16 , 2016 , the european union lifted the ban it had placed on lion air from flying into european airspace .

lion air operates over 100 boeing 737-800/900 er aircraft .

the airline has been characterised by its rapid expansion and the success of its low-cost business model .

the airline holds minority shareholdings in associate companies based in thailand ( thai lion air ) and malaysia ( malindo air ) .

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both air asia , thai air asia , and air asia x enjoy a much higher ranking than lion air .
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the european commission updated the eu air safety list , clearing zambia , air madagascar , citilink , lion air and batik air from the list .
munding – the big question is . who really owned lion air . it created wings air , batik air , malino air ( jv with nadi of malaysia )
thailand features towards the bottom of air safety with 4 of the airlines operating there getting 2 or less out of 5 stars for safety . ( these were orient air , nok air , thai lion air and kan air )
lion air ( also known as pt lion mentari airlines ) is a jakarta - based budget airline . one of southeast asia’s largest low - cost carriers , lion air operates over 70 domestic connections as well as regional flights to more than 100 destinations within the asia pacific region . established in 1993 , lion air is the parent company of subsidiaries batik air and wings air , and is also associated with thai lion air and malaysia’s malindo air
the two companies were featured alongside afghan airline kam air , scat airlines in kazakhstan and lion air in indonesia .
lion air recently improved its safety rating from 2 stars to 3 stars , because it is now 10 + years since any passengers died on a lion air flight ( unlike garuda indonesia , trigana air and susi air ) .
lion air has prepared a special program called lion air passport for its frequent flyers . every passenger gets to automatically join lion air passport after purchasing his / her first lion air flight ticket . with lion air passport , passengers can earn as many points / miles as they can and redeem them with certain rewards . besides rewards , the lion air passport members also get access to lion air’s airport lounge called lion king lounge . passengers who want to become a member of lion passport card ( lpc ) must be at least 17 years old and submit three lion air boarding passes , for either one - way or return flights . the lion air passport membership is offered in two types , which are lpc blue and lpc gold .
with the additional 50 737 max jets , lion air now has more than 428 orders for next - generation narrowbody aircraft consisting of 178 a320neo family aircraft for full - service subsidiary batik air , and 250 max jets for low - cost arms lion air , thai lion air , and malindo air .
all the larger airlines fly this route ( airasia , citilink , garuda indonesia , lion air , sriwijaya air ) .
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the data you quote for 2014 relates to lion air in indonesia , also .
lion air is middle of the range for on - time performance and reliability .
there are no thai airlines on the eu blacklist , but lion air the indonesian parent company of thai lion air is ( as are nearly all indonesian airlines ) . thai lion air is a thai run subsidiary and has a perfect safety record .
the decision could potentially lead lion air to buy more planes , analysts have said .
lion air confirms $ 6 . 2b deal for boeing 737s , flags 787 jet order
boeing gets record $ 22 billion order from lion air - nov . 17 , 2011
interestingly , lion air was removed from the eu blacklist this june ( 2016 ) .
infants traveling on lion air must have the form of indemnity signed by the parents .
lion air may require that passengers with special needs or disability travel with their assistant .
lion air is also indonesia’s largest domestic airline in terms of passenger numbers and our clients fly lion air all the time , e . g . 240 flights in 2014 .
source : capa fleet database note : orders listed are for the group and will be divided between lion air , batik air , malindo air and thai lion air . some aircraft could also potentially be leased to carriers outside the group by leasing subsidiary transportation partners .
the rate of expansion slowed at all three of lion group’s low cost airlines – lion air , thai lion air and the turboprop operator wings air . the fleet at the main lion air brand only expanded by three aircraft , while wings added four turboprops . the group’s jv in thailand added six aircraft , which was fewer aircraft than initially planned .
all the larger indonesian domestic airlines – airasia indonesia , citilink , garuda indonesia , lion air , sriwijaya air – fly this route .
lion air connects you to over 36 destinations and operates up to 226 flights daily . soon , you’ll be able to fly extensively throughout the asia pacific region with lion air .
lion was the worst , coming in the bottom 10 in the world who got one star . i would not fly lion air .
lion air planes at soekarno - hatta international airport . ( afp photo / adek berry )
also known as the pt lion mentari airlines , it is associated with thai lion air and malaysia’s malindo air . its frequent flyer programme is called the lion air passport club . it operates over 100 boeing 737 aircraft and offers two different classes ; business and economy class .
for your information , the number of accidents thai lion air had in 2014 was zero .
lion air started operating in 2000 and services more than 36 destinations , mostly in indonesia .
lion air also make the sultan hasanuddin airport as a hub for flights to eastern indonesia .
more aircraft for lion air ? amazing . any idea about how many they could use ?
obviously , the strike caused widespread outrage among those air passengers who were left stranded at indonesian airports . on earlier occasions lion air had also disappointed air passengers by ( unexplained ) delays . in fact , lion air has one of the weakest scores in terms of departure punctuality .
if the batik and lion applications are successful , the lion group also plans to begin the process of seeking an exemption for wings air .
air , all of which operate in indonesia , as well as budget airline malindo air in malaysia .
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that would enable thai lion air to add 11 domestic and nine foreign destinations , darsito said .
lion air commercial director edward sirait said some passengers had been taken to a hospital in denpasar .
lion air ' s self - imposed shutdown will be effective from may 18 to june 18 .
boeing [ nyse : ba ] and the lion air group today announced a commitment for 50 737 max 10 airplanes at the 2017 paris air show .
our clients usually prefer to fly other airlines to sorong because the other airlines ( garuda indonesia , lion air , sriwijaya air ) are often cheaper .
lion air will be a launch customer for the 737 max 10 , lion air group president director edward sirait confirmed to reuters . he did not immediately provide the number of planes it has ordered .
indonesia ' s lion air set a boeing order record with $ 22 billion worth of 737 jets .
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“even if you book the first flight in the morning , lion air will still be delayed . ”
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lion air is the group’s original airline and remains by far the largest . however , lion air faced regulatory constraints in 2016 which prevented it from launching new routes for several months and registering additional aircraft .
thai lion air are a completely separate company and it is unfair and misleading to compare the two .
im taking lion air for the first time from palangkaraya to jakarta . is it a reliable airline ?
lion air is negotiating a deal for four , nine - seat jets with us - based hawker beechcraft , which builds special - mission , business and trainer aircraft , lion air spokesman edward sirait said .
zidane wrote : these incidents all relate to lion air in indonesia ! thai lion air who fly out of udon are a different company and have had no problems with safety , as far as i know .
lion air is negotiating a deal for four , nine - seater jets with us - based hawker beechcraft , which builds special - mission , business and trainer aircraft , lion air spokesman edward sirait told afp .
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now i see that thai lion air flight from surat thani for not that mutch money . but with google i found that thai lion air is on te blacklist of europe . that sounds not good to me .
rescuers at the crash site of a lion air plane off the indonesian resort island of bali last month .
as for lion air suspending it services to a number of destinations , the kppu said it was an “abusive act by a business in a dominant position” . lion air currently controls 40 percent of the indonesian market .
in what you mentioned i see a political issue in the ranks of the government rather than lion air .
private indonesian carrier lion air ordered 201 boeing 737 max aircraft in 2012 and placed options for another 150 .
while lion air ' s expansion is grabbing attention worldwide , the company still faces difficulties with its image .
following today ' s update , all airlines certified in zambia are cleared from the list , along with air madagascar and three airlines certified in indonesia ( citilink , lion air and batik air ) . in addition most aircraft of iran air are allowed to resume operations to the eu .
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but that spotty safety record has not curbed the ambitions of rusdi kirana , lion’s media - shy founder and chief executive . on thursday , lion air introduced the full - service batik air , which will serve both domestic and international routes . despite being a low - cost carrier , lion air already dominates indonesia’s domestic air travel market , with a 40 percent share , according to analysts .
lion air flies to over 70 domestic and 36 regional destinations with 226 flights daily . its top destinations include :
indonesian carrier lion air has cancelled orders for seven airbus a320s , including five of the re - engined a320neo .
domestic flights dominated by lion air , international flights dominated by garuda . - scci - singapore chamber of commerce indonesia
requires a reconfiguration , adding cost , since lion and thai lion are lccs with all - economy configurations .
the lion air group currently has an active fleet of 125 aircraft , according to capa’s new fleet database . this includes 123 aircraft in indonesia – 94 at lion mainline 29 at wings air – and two in malaysia at malindo .
indonesia as a country is banned by the eu , not the airlines . airlines can apply for exemptions , and exemptions have been granted to garuda , indonesia air asia , mandala airlines , batavia air , premiair ( charter ) , airfast ( charter ) , lion air , batik air , citilink .
whilst i wouldn’t fly lion air due to safety concerns , i wanted to point out re : the 500 orders .
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indonesian budget carrier lion air has ordered three more airbus a330 - 300s , analysis of the airframer’s backlog has revealed .
in 2015 thai lion air serviced 4 . 6 million passengers , accounting for a fourth of thailand ' s market .
a lion air plane taxis after landing at denpassar international airport in bali march 23 , 2017 . reuters / thomas white
the rest of the group currently operates only 10 scheduled international routes . this includes eight for lion air , one for thai lion and one for the indonesian full service subsidiary batik air . the group’s fifth airline , wings air , is a regional operator in indonesia and only serves the domestic market .
lion group added 15 aircraft in indonesia in 2017 – a modest figure given the huge size of indonesia’s domestic market . along with the eight additional aircraft at batik , lion air expanded its fleet by three aircraft while wings air added four aircraft .
the other five narrowbody aircraft taken by lion group this year include the one 737 - 800 for lion air mentioned earlier in this report and four 737 - 800s for its malaysian affiliate malindo air . ( the lion group also has taken 12 atr 72 - 600 turboprops so far in 2015 , all of which have been placed with indonesian regional carrier wings air ) .
but three more of the variant have been added to lion air’s total , airbus has disclosed in its latest backlog revision .
the most likely breakdown will see lion air take nine 737s in 2014 , thai lion eight aircraft , malindo seven aircraft and batik six aircraft . but again this is subject to change as the year unfolds because lion is a nimble group .
a significant portion of the outstanding orders will not go to lion air indonesia . some will go to malindo ( reported to be taking the majority of the remaining 737 - 900er orders , if it can get out of its mess of low loads ) , some will go to the upcoming lion air thailand , and lion air vietnam is said to be in the works .
the budget airline had high flight frequency - - 490 domestic flights and 42 international flights per week - placing it the third largest in number of air passengers after lion air and garuda indonesia .
the lion air group , owned by rusdi kirana , remains the dominating force in indonesia ' s airline industry . with its three units ( lion air , batik air , and wings air ) the group carried 20 . 5 million air passengers in the first half of 2016 , controlling 48 . 4 percent of the market in the first half of 2016 , followed by the garuda indonesia group , and the sriwijaya air group . edward sirait , president director of the lion air group , said the group ' s market share has grown 5 percent over the past year . this is remarkable considering that the global and domestic economy remained somewhat bleak .
so far lion group’s indonesia - based full service airline subsidiary batik air has taken all of the group’s a320s . batik is again earmarked to take all of lion group’s a320 family aircraft deliveries in 2017 – including a mix of ceos and neos . lion prefers to focus on a320s at batik while maintaining all - boeing narrowbody fleets at lion , thai lion and malindo .
indonesian carrier lion air in the week of 25jun17’s oag schedules analyser has filed planned boeing 737max 8 operation , tentatively . . .
lion air is one of the biggest low - cost carriers in indonesia . with a strong fleet of boeings and airbuses , today lion air serves 183 domestic and international routes . in order to give the best service to its passengers , lion air offers two types of flight classes , economy class and business class . thanks to its dedication to the aviation industry , lion air has received awards from skytrax world airline awards as the world’s best low - cost airlines cabin and world’s best low - cost premium seat .
lion air already has three a330 - 300s , powered by rolls - royce trent 700s , which were ordered in late 2014 .
airlines that incorporated in lion air group has also received the iata standard safety assessment ( issa ) which ensure aviation safety standards .
he called on lion air not to act in any way that may lead to unfair competition and harm consumers . ( ags )
quoting karelxwb ( reply 1 ) : more aircraft for lion air ? amazing . any idea about how many they could use ?
/ - - boeing [ nyse : ba ] and the lion air group today announced a commitment for 50 737 max 10 airplanes at the 2017 paris air show . the announcement , valued at approximately
there are two other airlines from indonesia that have been taken out from the ban list , batik air ( lion air ' s sister company ) and citilink ( a subsidiary of garuda indonesia ) .
after sensing the efficiency of fuel use on boeing 737 - 900er aircraft , lion air also tried to operate boeing 737 - 800ng since 2012 . the boeing 737 - 800ng owned lion air has a single - class configuration and can carry as many as 189 passengers . until now lion air has 32 units of boeing 737 - 800ng . with the recent addition of boeing 737 - 800ng on lion air ' s fleet , it will allow the airline to offer more non - stop flights at affordable rates to many destinations .
sriwijaya air came in third with a market share of 10 . 4 percent , followed by garuda’s low - cost subsidiary citilink ( 8 . 9 percent ) and lion air ' s wings air ( 4 . 7 percent ) . indonesia air asia , a unit of the malaysian budget airline , had a 4 . 4 percent market share .
kevin as i said it appears to be indonesian standards that are at fault so if you are going to continually refer to the indonesian part of lion air it is only fair to compare like for like . lion air 1 star safety rating air asia indonesia 2 star safety rating so not a
much higher
ranking at all .
from malaysia , lion air services direct flights from major cities to various destinations in indonesia including jakarta , surabaya , solo and bandung .
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passengers with a pregnancy above 28 weeks are required to sign a form of indemnity ( foi ) from lion air before the departure .
lion air . . . . . . think before you fly . . . - udon thani thailand forum - udon thani , thailand
or , as noted before , the other option is to take the
lion air
brand and expand elsewhere in the region .
“if the protection of air passengers against safety risks so requires , the commission could then propose to include one or more air carriers from thailand in the air safety list , ” the commission said in a statement .
' lion air can request permits for the flight routes again right after the revocation takes effect , '  said muzaffar . he added that the transportation ministry revoked lion air ' s and batik air ' s flight route permits based on inspections conducted by the ministry ' s air transportation directorate inspectors . during the process , he added , the transportation ministry carried out examinations on airports and verified the violations commited by lion air . ' we have summoned the airline company authorities and showed data of all the violations we found , '  said muzaffar .
a sizeable widebody operation could unlock a new phase of growth for the lion air brand . lion air has seen its rate growth slow significantly over the last two years , ending an extended period of remarkable growth which saw it overtake garuda as the largest airline in indonesia .
jakarta - based lion air ( jt ) flies to about 40 destinations within indonesia , as well as other points within asia and the middle east . the airline has hubs located at jakarta ' s soekarno–hatta international airport ( cgk ) , surabaya ' s juanda international airport ( sub ) , batam ' s hang nadim international airport ( bth ) and makassar ' s sultan hasanuddin airport ( upg ) . lion air primarily flies planes configured with just an economy class cabin , although it also has some two - cabin ( business class and economy class ) planes . the airline also operates some subsidiaries , including batik air , thai lion air , malindo air , wings air and lion bizjet .
passenger traffic growth is expected to slow further in 2015 as lion air is only planning to add one narrowbody aircraft for the entire year . the lion group plans to take over 60 aircraft in 2015 but has only allocated its original subsidiary , lion air , four deliveries – including one 737 - 800 and three a330 - 300s . according to the capa fleet database , lion air received a 737 - 800 in aug - 2015 , its only delivery so far this year .
the air safety list contains airlines that do not meet international safety standards , and are therefore subject to an operating ban or operational restrictions within the european union . following the update , all airlines certified in zambia are cleared from the list , along with air madagascar and three airlines certified in indonesia : citilink , lion air and batik air . in addition most aircraft of iran air are allowed to resume operations to the eu .
lion air currently operates boeing 737 - 900er , boeing 737 - 800ng , boeing 747 - 400 and airbus a330 - 300 aircraft . to accommodate the high demand for air transport , lion air chose single - aisle commercial aircraft with highly efficient for domestic flights as well as commercial aircraft with double aisle for international flights that can accommodate many passengers .
the positive performance of lion air so far this year is remarkable as the company experienced some
turbulence
in 2016 , most notably the strike that was staged by lion air pilots . in may 2016 about 300 lion air pilots went on strike , leaving thousands of air passengers stranded for hours across several indonesian airports . pilots conducted the strike over the delayed payment of their travel expenses . on 3 august 2016 the airline fired 14 pilots who were considered to have masterminded the strike .
in 2012 the lion group carried 44 . 8 % of domestic passengers in indonesia , including a 41 . 2 % share for lion air and a 3 . 6 % share for wings air , according to indonesia ministry of transport data . the group was unable to grow its share compared to 2011 , when it also carried a 44 . 8 % of total domestic passengers including a 41 . 5 % share for lion air and a 3 . 3 % share for wings air .
poor crew resource management and an unstable approach contributed to a runway excursion involving a lion air boeing 737 - 900er on 20 february 2016 .
lion air during the month of may and june 2017 is expanding service at pekanbaru , including additional domestic routes being offered . . . .
lion air earlier this month has launched additional scheduled charter service to china , extending network coverage to xi’an . from 04aug16 , . . .
lion air yesterday ( 10jul16 ) commenced new charter service on manado – guangzhou route , operating every 5 days . this scheduled . . .
sirait targets to see a further rising market share for the lion air group in the remainder of 2016 , hopefully touching a + 10 percent growth pace . the group ' s lion air is the king among indonesia ' s low - cost carriers . it carried 14 . 7 million air passengers in the first six months of 2016 , followed by other low - cost carriers citilink indonesia , sriwijaya air , and indonesia airasia .
last june , the european commission ( european commission - the executive eu / ec ) has revoked the blocking of batik air and lion air . revocation is an acknowledgment of the progress to the national aviation industry .
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lion group took three a330 - 300s in late 2015 . airbus currently does not list any additional a330 orders for lion , but lion is expected to take additional a330s in late 2017 . lion could be using deposits initially placed for a320ceos to expand its a330 fleet .
rusdi kirana , left , chief executive of indonesia’s lion air , and fabrice bregier , chief executive of airbus sas , right , pose for the media with france’s president francois hollande in paris , march 18 , 2013 , after lion air placed its $ 24 - billion airbus order .
another six airlines can only fly to the eu with specific aircraft types : afrijet and nouvelle air affaires sn2ag ( gabon ) , air koryo ( democratic people ' s republic of korea ) , air service comores ( the comoros ) , iran air ( iran ) and taag angola airlines ( angola ) .
lion air later this month plans to offer new scheduled charter service to hainan island , as the airline plans jakarta – haikou nonstop . . .
in the first quarter , thai lion air will start its maiden flights to trang , khon kaen , and phitsanulok in thailand , he added .
achmad said all seats for umrah flight was filled . last year , lion air also serve umrah from madinah to banjarmasin and makassar - madinah .
of these airlines , garuda indonesia ( 5 - stars ) has the best rating , airasia ( 4 - stars ) is second best , citilink , lion air and sriwijaya air are equal third ( 3 - stars ) .
lion also has the option of leasing out aircraft to other carriers as the group has established a singapore - based leasing company , transportation partners . transportation partners so far has only placed aircraft with airlines within the lion air group . but the new lessor recently established a sales and marketing division and plans to eventually lease aircraft to airlines outside the lion air group .
the lion group says it transported an estimated 36 million passengers in 2013 across its three indonesian subsidiaries – lcc lion air , regional lcc wings air and full - service carrier batik air . this includes approximately 35 million domestic passengers as lion and wings are predominately domestic operators with only eight scheduled international routes . batik , which launched services in may - 2013 , currently only operates domestically but is planning to expand into the international market in 2h2014 .
passengers are offered a great selection of menu from around the world , with indonesian cuisines as one of the all time favorites . to make these meals , lion air teams up with lion boga , one of the subsidiaries of lion group . with its sophisticated and high - quality kitchen , lion boga can ensure that every meal is served in maximum quality .
lion air in last week’s schedule update filed additional new service to saudi arabia from late - october 2017 , on board boeing 737max 8 . . .
lion air earlier this week has received its first boeing 737max 8 aircraft , few days after the airline filed initial operation for the aircraft . . .
four lion air pilots were arrested on drug charges in 2012 — one testing positive for crystal meth hours before he was due to command a flight .
lion air commerce director achmad hasan said the public demand for umrah has increased . lion air continue to be committed to provide the flight .
we will serve umrah flight twice daily or 12 times a week ,
said achmad to harian nasional in jakarta , friday ( 2 / 12 ) .
for this umrah flights , lion air will operate a full three airbus a330 - 300 . two units are operated regularly and only as a backup .
following a spate of air disasters in 2007 , indonesia’s civil aviation chief , budhi m suyitno , told a canberra conference the nation’s air safety record was “woeful” .
airasia is now trying to push into the indonesian domestic market , where it has a very small presence . the lion air group dominates the indonesian domestic market with nearly a 50 % share of the market compared to less than 2 % for indonesia airasia . the lion air group includes regional subsidiary wings air and within the next few months will include a third indonesian carrier , batik air , which will operate on domestic trunk routes as a full - service carrier .
the european commission said iranian state carrier iranair can resume flights in the eu , along with indonesian budget carrier lion air , a major buyer of airbus and boeing jets , which has been removed from a safety blacklist . the decision could potentially lead lion air to buy more planes , analysts have said .
thai lion could also have been an outlet for aircraft initially intended for indonesia , but lion group instead decided to slow its expansion in thailand .
the european commission updated the list of airlines that do not meet international safety standards and are banned from operating within the european union . following the new update , indonesia ' s largest privately run airline lion air , along with citilink and batik air , as well as , all airlines certified in zambia , air madagascar and most aircraft of iran air are allowed to resume operations to the eu .
the lion air jet carrying 110 passengers and seven crew crashed into one of three cows that were wandering on the runway in gorontalo , on sulawesi island .
lion air is an indonesian low - cost carrier based at jakarta - soekarno - hatta international airport . commencing operations in 2000 and based in jakarta , lion air is the largest privately - owned airline in indonesia . the lcc operates a network of scheduled passenger services throughout south east asia and the middle east .
lion air from 21oct17 is adding new nonstop service to saudi arabia , with the offering of makassar – jeddah service . from 21oct17 , airbus . . .
lion air from october 2017 is adding new routes to saudi arabia from various secondary airports in indonesia , scheduled to be operated by the new . . .
lion air starting this week is introducing medan kuala namu – kuala lumpur service , with first flight scheduled on 24may17 . boeing 737 - 800 . . .
lion air starting next month plans to introduce a surabaya – kuala lumpur service , on board a boeing 737 - 800 aircraft . the airline . . .
lion air next week will boost operations at solo , including the launch of 4 domestic and 1 international route . planned new route from 30sep16 . . .
even the country’s largest budget carrier , lion air , is on the list , making those $ 110 flights from bali to jakarta a little less appealing .
the business competition supervisory commission ( kppu ) will summon airline company lion air over the alleged cancellation of flights on several routes without tendering a clear explanation .
the latest fleet of wide - bodied aircraft belonging to lion air is the airbus a330 - 300 . this aircraft use the rolls - royce trent 700 engines and configured in a single class that can carry as many as 440 passengers . brought in november 2015 , lion air has three airbus a330 - 300 aircraft .
the purchase underscored the explosive growth of lion air as it struggled with a troublesome safety record , raising wider questions about air safety in indonesia , one of the world’s fastest - growing aviation markets . the european union has banned lion air from flying there , and the crash was one of several accidents involving the airline since it began commercial operations in 2000 with a single leased boeing 737 - 200 .
poor service : workers prepare a lion air b737 - 800 aircraft parked on the runway at soekarno - hatta international airport , tangerang , on aug . 19 , 2015 . the transportation ministry on tuesday revoked the permits of three flight routes of low - cost carrier lion air and its full - service carrier , batik air , on account of several violations . ( kompas . com / yoga sukmana )
however , challenging market conditions prompted lion to pursue a slowdown in deliveries . lion has taken broadly one 737 per month since the beginning of 2016 .
capa has never included lion its list of long haul low cost operators as lion’s 747 - 400 has never been used for regular scheduled international operations .
tiyo – i would say that 9 hours is pretty low for a low cost carrier . but then again , lion air is no normal low cost carrier .
lion air during the month of january 2018 is offering scheduled charter service to korea , operating every 4 days . boeing 737 max 8 aircraft is . . .
lion air next week further expands domestic service from solo , as it introduces 4 new nonstop service on daily basis , with boeing 737 - 800 . . .
lion air this week added new domestic nonstop routes from jakarta , commenced on 15nov16 . from jakarta , the airline operates 1 daily flight each to . . .
edward sirait , the president director of lion air group said the airline is projected to dominate traffic from east and south asia countries to the southeast asia region .
in addition , four lion air pilots were arrested by the police in separate incidents in 2011 and 2012 for possession of drugs including ecstasy pills and crystal methamphetamine .
quote : lion air already has 700 planes on order and expects to have ordered 1 , 000 aircraft within two to three years , kirana said in march .
boeing and airbus will have their hands full with delivering all those 737s and a320s , having a third supplier should accelerate lion air ' s growth even faster .
lion air was the launch customer for the 737 max 8 via its malaysian subsidiary malindo air and was already the single largest customer for the 737 max , with 201 frames on order . the additional 737 max frames bring its order to 251 frames in all , and lion air will now potentially be a launch customer for each of the 737 max 8 , 737 max 9 , and 737 max 10 .
an additional six airlines are subject to operational restrictions and can only fly to the eu with specific aircraft types : afrijet and nouvelle air affaires sn2ag ( gabon ) , air koryo ( democratic people ' s republic of korea ) , air service comores ( the comoros ) , iran air ( iran ) and taag angola airlines ( angola ) .
the best of a bad lot are either bangkok airways , thai or air asia .
the airlines whose flight route permits have been revoked are travel express , tri - mg intra asia airlines , sriwijaya air , air nam and kalstar aviation—which lost two routes .
jakarta . the growth of indonesian air travel slowed to 2 . 3 percent in the january to june period this year , in line with slowing economic activity , with budget airline lion air losing some of its market share to flag carrier garuda indonesia .
the airline offers a membership scheme for frequent flyers known as the lion air passport club . members earn air miles to set against ticket costs as well as having an increased baggage allowance , a priority check - in and access to a private lounge .
in april , a lion air plane belly - flopped into the ocean just short of the runway off the resort island of bali . all 108 people aboard survived .
ed – yeah , but lion air is privately owned so i can’t imagine these are ever used for state purposes . i really think it’s just a jeddah shuttle .
the leasing company stated on 1 - jul - 2016 that it “expects to get busier in 2h2016 as the lion group diversifies its sources of capital” . transportation partners pointed out that the recent removal of lion air and batik air from eu ’s blacklist opens up “traditionally more conservative areas such as the german banking and kg funds market” .
while lion air will likely again receive several aircraft per annum in the coming years it has been looking at returning and leasing out its oldest 737 - 900ers . lion’s first batch of 737ngs will reach their tenth birthday in late 2016 and 2017 .
the lion group has previously stated that it does not see a role for the lion air brand on routes over four hours , with the exception of saudi arabia . the group’s strategy generally envisions using full service subsidiary batik air for medium haul markets such as north asia and india . batik currently only operates domestically and to neighbouring singapore .
the lion group’s expansion in indonesia slowed in 2013 as it focused on spooling up its new affiliates in malaysia and thailand . there will be more growth for malindo air and thai lion air in 2014 but , as the group will take significantly more aircraft compared to 2013 , there will be an opportunity to pursue faster growth in indonesia .
lion also has ambitions of establishing new affiliates and subsidiaries , following the model of rival lcc group airasia . the lion air group is launching malindo , a joint venture carrier in airasia’s original home market of malaysia , on 22 - mar - 2013 .
lion air this past week launched 2 new routes to china , operating as scheduled charter service . on board boeing 737 - 900er , the following is the . . .
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lion air , indonesia ' s largest private carrier , is considered so dangerous , it’s barred from flying into eu countries . ( adek berry / afp / getty images )
rapidly expanding lion air is indonesia & apos ; s top discount carrier , holding about a 50 per cent market share in the country , a sprawling archipelago of 240 million people that & apos ; s seeing a boom in both economic growth and air travel .
also the ban has been lifted for air madagascar . i wonder if that will sign the end for the air france and air atlanta icelandic leases and what their future will hold ( neighbouring réunion island and mauritius both seem to be thriving with respectable fleets for their location )
malaysia’s malindo air part 1 : network model emerges . focus on international market expansion & klia
air asia was not in our case even though they had many counters at dmk airport .
add to that the financial aspect of the entire setup : looking at the kinds of fares lion air is able to charge on many of its trunk routes , i wonder how sustainable this is . buying power maybe on the increase , but the main reason there is such a boom in air traffic is that air travel has effectively become cheaper than travel by bus , train or ship . that does however not imply that air fares can sustain the massive cost picture lion air must be dealing with . i have the distinct impression that the financial burden is becoming so heavy that the only way forward for the lion air group is continue a massive expansion in hopes of continuing to outrun increasing financial obligations . the question is for how long the company will be able to keep doing this .
even without the ill - conceived price floor , lower domestic growth for lion air was inevitable given the overall slowdown in the indonesian market over the last two years . lion air also has limited opportunity to further grow its market share as it already exceeds 40 % , a relatively high figure given indonesia has such a large and fragmented domestic market .
the lion group is expected to allocate lion air , which previously took an average of about 10 737ngs per year , more aircraft deliveries in 2016 . but the rate of capacity and passenger growth is unlikely to reach the levels achieved between 2008 and 2013 .
bertrand grabowski , head of aviation at german bank dvb , said it had financed several planes for lion air and was
very impressed
with its growth .
i am very confident that lion will grow further to be a successful regional airline .
the other four airlines are now in various stages of the iosa certification process . batik and malindo are expected to be added to the iosa registry within the next couple of months , followed by lion air in jul - 2016 and wings air in sep - 2016 .
the lion airlines passport rewards program allows customers to earn loyalty points immediately after booking flights . the program includes frequent updates and several other benefits for lion air passport members . some of the benefits you enjoy include free lions air tickets , priority airport check ins , priority boarding for economy class passengers , and an increased allowance for baggage weights . the generous rewards program receives favorable ratings from both lion airlines customers and commercial aviation experts .
lion air received its first 737 - 900er in april 2007 , the aircraft arrived with a special dual paint scheme that combined the lion air emblem on the vertical stabilizer and the boeing design colors on the fuselage . aircraft with an efficient use of fuels could reduce carbon emissions by 4 % , so that the possibility of bringing a smaller carbon footprint every time you travel with the b737 - 900er . this mighty aircraft can fly about 500 miles above the sea , up to 3 , 200 nm ( 5 , 925km ) to the aux tank . lion air is the first user of boeing hybrid aircraft in asia . lion air took delivery of 15 units of other b737 - 900er aircraft in december 2008 that the overall aircraft are configured in economy class with a total of 215 seats each plane . and until now , lion air has 71 boeing 737 - 900er aircraft .
lion air allows passengers to bring baggage weighing up to 15 kilograms for domestic flights and 25 kilograms for international flights , at no cost . however , the number of pieces you can check in at lions air counters vary depending on the route , travel class , and ticket terms and conditions . lion air online booking helps you determine the baggage you can bring on board and the baggage you must check in at the airline customer service counter .
poor service : workers prepare a lion air b737 - 800 aircraft parked on the runway at soekarno - hatta international airport , tangerang , on aug . 19 , 2015 . the transportation ministry on tuesday revoked the permits of three flight routes of low - cost carrier lion air and its full - service carrier , batik air , on account of several violations . ( kompas . com / yoga sukmana ) ( kompas . com / yoga sukmana )
as lion is in the lowest of indonesia’s three airline categories it can offer lower fares than airlines in the medium or high categories . but the difference in the minimum fares are relatively small , resulting in a narrower gap in fares between lion and other carriers . lion air has been impacted and has been losing market share to other carriers .
lion air later this month is adding a trio of new charter routes to china , originating from denpasar , with a mix of boeing 737 - 900er and airbus . . .
in addition to small - bodied aircraft , lion air also has a boeing 747 - 400 aircraft which is the first largest fleet owned by lion air . brought in 2009 , the aircraft which is also known as the jumbo jet has four engines and can fly at a speed of mach 0 . 85 or 909 kilometers per hour and capable of flying at a maximum distance of 13 570 km to 15 , 000 km . currently lion air has two boeing 747 - 400 aircraft , and the aircraft can carry 506 passengers .
batik air is the only a320 operator within the lion group . the indonesia - based full service , predominantly domestic airline also operates 737s but has started reducing its 737 fleet .
quoting hb - iwc ( reply 18 ) : that does however not imply that air fares can sustain the massive cost picture lion air must be dealing with . i have the distinct impression that the financial burden is becoming so heavy that the only way forward for the lion air group is continue a massive expansion in hopes of continuing to outrun increasing financial obligations . the question is for how long the company will be able to keep doing this .
one industry commentator has questioned how air france received a six - star rating when pilot error caused a 2009 crash killing all 228 passengers and crew , while indonesia’s largest airline lion air received two stars with no fatalities . urltoken editor - in - chief geoffrey thomas responded :
bangkok . thai lion air , the thailand unit of indonesia ' s largest budget airline lion group , eyes to cater to 5 . 5 million passengers in the mekong country this year as part of its effort to claim a third of thailand ' s domestic market .
brett sent this to my business associates in jakarta . . they all fly lion air… . they were laughing , i think… but , on 2nd thought maybe that was controlled crying…i heard
rich – the funny thing is , i’d probably fly lion air as well . but i’d probably be a little nervous about it when i got on the airplane… just a little .
wonder if lion air now will start operations to any place in europe as they now are allowed to fly in eu airspace and have new build a330 - 300s in their fleet .
lion air maintained the largest market share in the domestic aviation sector last year , securing some 45 percent of 76 . 6 million domestic passengers , according to data release . . .
lion air & apos ; s general affairs director , edward sirait , said the plane had 95 adults , five children and a baby , along with seven crew , on board .
all 101 passengers and seven crew on the lion air flight survived , although dozens were said to be injured and at least seven were taken to hospital with head wounds and broken bones .
lion air general manager of services ary azhari said that last year already serve umrah flights from makassar to medina . umrah pilgrims potential of this area reached 4 , 000 people per month .
lion air , which had just one plane a dozen years ago , signed a world - record commercial contract worth $ 21 billion for 230 boeing 737s with the us manufacturer in november .
a dana air jet struck an apartment block in the lagos , africa’s largest city , killing 153 people and an allied air cargo plane veered off a runway into a minibus , claiming 10 lives .
the group’s original airline , indonesia - based lion air , added only three 737 - 800s in 1h2016 , giving it a fleet of 113 aircraft . lion has been the slowest - growing of all the group’s airlines over the last two years but remains by far the largest .