Francesco/who-killed-jfk huggingface dataset:
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Todays date is August 9, 1976, the time is 1615 hours, the personto be interviewed is Doris Ann Duafala, DOB 08/24/55, 1800 Sohn Road,Aliquippa, Pennsylvania, phone 412-375-1013, attends Edonboro StateCollege where she will be a senior this fall, majoring in sociology,College address: Douglas #2, Heather Apartments, Edenboro, Pa. 16412.Present during the interview is D/Sgt. S. Michaleski and D/Cpl. R.Swain, Montgomery County Police.Code:D = DuafalaM = MichaleskiS = SwainM - Ok, Doris go ahead and go back to when you first met GinoD - I met Gino last summer, he and some of his friends came intowhere I work and I dated him all last summer, he kept in contactwith me after I quit work and went back to school and then whenI came down here again this summer, I went out with him once ortwice and he would come in to see me at work.M - You say some of his friends, do you know their names?D - Sully, Jason's brother, Jason, Patrick ShermanM - Sully, who is Sully, do you know his full name?D - No not positive, but it might be David Sullivan, I'm not sureM - David SullivanD - It might be, but I'm not sure.M - Well, how did it come that you met GinoD - Well I work, uh and his place is just down theroad, they stopped in for a drink and we talked to each otheryou know, and he asked me if I needed a ride into work the nextday, which I did, he took me to work and then we just startedgoing out.M - Did Gino indicate to you where he lived at?D - Bethesda, or what ever it isM - BethesdaD - yeah, he lived in a condominium thereM - Do you know the address:D - No, Gino would never give me his address or his phone number,he didn't want me to know
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M - Would the name Pooks Hill ring a bell?D - NoM - How about ProminadeD - No, he has a good friend down there who owns a restaurant that probably would know exactly where he livesM - do you know who that friend is?D - no, I know that is where Gino worked quite oftenM - Would you recall the name of the restaurant if I happened to mention it to youD - noM - he never mentioned the name of the restaurant to youD - noM - but he said he lived in a condominium in BethesdaD - uh huh, I'm pretty sure that is what he said, I'm pretty sure that is what he told me, I never really, Gino just always wanted to keep a lot of things to himself so I never really questioned him too much. I didn't ask where he lived or anything like thatS - How did you get in touch with himD - I never did, well either I called Gino's Classic Cars or else I didn't get in touch with him. He usually was the one who would get in touch with me.M - do you think that he was mixed up in something that wasn't exactly on the up and up?D - yesM - what makes you feel that way?D - just for the different times when he wouldn't give me his phone number of his address. He said he didn't give it out to anybody, and at times he said he wished he could tell me things but he just couldn't and a awful lot of times he indicated things but didn't come right out and sayM - such asD - uh, right off I can't thinkM - did he ever make any trips to New YorkD - did IM - did he
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D - of yes he didM - frequently or infrequentlyD - Uh, pretty frequently, as a matter of fact he was just there, a couple times this summer his partner lives in New York and Gino went there quite often and he spent a good deal of time in California recently.M - how recently?D- oh, I guess it was, well it was my second semester of school, you know, which was this past term, so it must have been in February, March, AprilM- Did he say why he went to California?D- I was under the impression it was for art, looking for cars and things like thatM - did he drive out or fly out, do you know?D - I think he, I'm almost positive that he drove back because that is when he bought his second LincolnM - that is the one that he presently ownsD - yes, he owns two presently, and he drove it back and I'm not exactly sure how he got out there.M - the uh, back up a little bit, you mentioned that you had seen Gino's truck go down the road, Monday and uh that is the brown one, did it have Maryland tags on it or?D - yes it didM - it had Maryland tags on itD - well, uh, you knowM - you assume it was Maryland tagsD - well, I've been in it before and I am almost positive it had Maryland tags on it. I believe he bought it off somebody in Pennsylvania, but it did have Maryland tags on itM - you don't know who he bought it from do you?D - noM - do you recall the name of Gino's partnerD - JasonM - Jason
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D - he uhM - you don't know his last name,do you?D - no, but I know where he livesM - you doD - up at, by, near Coney Island, his house is right on the waterM - you don't by any chance have the addressD - no, his last name may be Sullivan but I am not sureM - could you describe him, have you ever met him?D - Oh, yes, several times, Gino and Jason and I went out to dinner and Jason whenever Jason was in the area, Jason and Gino would stop in to see me and I talked to Jason a few times over the phoneM - Could you describe Jason to me?D - he is a nice looking man, gray hair, medium build, I'd say he is about 5'8", 5'9", blue eyesM - about how old?D - I would guess 45M - how much would you say he weighed?D - uh 160M - uh huh, you have been to the house up thereD - yesM - is Jason married, do you know?D - no, he may have been married at one time, but presently he is not married, he has a housekeeperM - do you know her nameD - I can't remember it, I did. meet her, but I can't remember her nameM - but you say the house is located in New York, Coney IslandD - down from Coney, it is in BrooklynM - BrooklynD - yeah
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-5-M - Did Jason ever tell you what kind of business he was in?D - no, uh, I questioned Gino one time as to what Jason did and Gino evaded the question and another time I asked Gino how come if they were partners, how come it was Gino's Classic Cars and uh you know Gino just said, not to ask questions and made a joke of it as he usually doesM - to your knowledge, did Gino carry a lot of money on him?D - alwaysM - alwaysD - alwaysM - can you give me an estimate of how muchD - no I neverM - a couple of hundred dollarsD - sometimes even more than that, he always you know had quite large sums on himM - uh huh, who did Gino have working for him, you know immediate workers, right there all the timeD - Patrick just quitM - PatrickD - Sherman, just quitM - what did he look like?D - uh, red hair, long, very long mustache, fairly heavy, he was short, 5'7", 5'8"M - do you know why he quit?D - uh, Gino said that it was because he felt that he was holding Patrick back and that Patrick was more or less in a rut and Patrick said that he had a lot of things on his mind and Gino had a lot of things or his mind and it was better for both of them if they split. Patrick was back in the area, Patrick had been in a hospital and he came back, a matter of fact he was in Sunday night, the night before the last when I saw Gino and then he also came in with Gino's brother uh and sister-in-law with Patrick when he came in last MondayM - do you, have you been inside the building up thereD - oh yes
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M - does he have a lot of cars in thereD - well uh, he used to have three usually three in the showroom and he had about three in the back that he was working on and I don't know if he did sell that Cadillac or if it was stolen or uh, there had been a car in the paint roomM - now did you hear that a Cadillac was stolen in the paint room from CaliforniaD - I had heard that only through reading the paper, as a matter of fact someone else called my attention to it, I didn't even know and I couldn't understand why Gino didn't mention it to me that Monday when he was in. Because from the way I understood it, the robbery happened on Friday or Saturday night and Gino was in here Monday and I couldn't understand why he didn't say anything to meM - you say he had some stuff stolen from the showroomD - that is what, I was told from other peopleM - did he have a large number of people hanging out up thereD - no, he also had another boy working for him, a young kid, named Jay, Jerry, Jack his name was Jack. I think he was only about 16 or 17M - do you know where he lived atD - no, he was just a young kid and then of course the uh man who lives next door he re-does furni, he refinishes furniture, he would come over occasionally and the man who has the garage just down from him would come down, but other than thatM - did Gino ever indicate to you that he commuted, commuted between BethesdaD - oh yesM - that is a long driveD - yes it is, I often asked him why he didn't bother to get an apartment or house up here, but he didn't want toM - did he ever say whyD - noM - did he ever say why he got located here instead of down in Bethesda, his businessD - he said that he felt this was a better location because of its where it was in relationship to New York and Philadelphia and
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D - some other places, just general it was a better placeM - why wouldn't New York and Philadelphia necessarily be a good location to be close toD - I don't knowM - you don't knowD - I'm not positive, but I think Gino was thinking of moving out to the coast very soonM - out to the coast, why do you say thatD - he, uh, liked it out there and he said something to me about moving out there and that uh in talking to his brother that you know the just of the conversation about moving out to the West CoastM - which brother came to visit himD - Joe, the baby in the familyM - Joe, where was he from?D - ConnecticutM - Connecticut. Did Gino ever buy you anything?D - oh yeah, uh he sent me roses and little thingsM - did he ever buy you any jewelryD - no, not that I can think ofS - I'm just curious, when we first started talking about him, you mentioned the fact that you felt there was something, something wasn't quite right about what Gino was doing and you spent some time in the shop and everything, did you have any idea what that might beD - no, I uh, I never, I often wondered about it and I even mentioned it to my sister, my sister had advised me to stay away from Gino, butS - well, why did you tell your sister if she advised you to stay away from GinoD - just that I thought he was doing something illegal that I thought he was mixed up in something, I don't know what just carsS - you must have had some guess or somethingD - parden me
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-8-S - you must have had some guess or somethingD - no, it was just you know, I thought it was very odd that he would never give me his phone number or things like that and well impression of other things, everything seemed very odd to meS - for instance, what types of things did you questionD - uhS - don't miss understand, we're not trying to divulge any evidence against Gino in any way,M - we're trying to find out who did this to himD - right off, I just cant thinkS - what about his partner, did he every say anything about himD - no, not anything muchS - how often did his partner come down here, about, that you knowD - oh, not that often, they would call each other quite frequently you know, like once every day, they would call each otherS - once a dayD - probablyS - when you say not that often, how often do you meanD - uh, lets see, I'd say once every few months Jason would be down cause as far as I know Jason may have been down twice this summer to my knowledgeM - how recently, what is the most recent time that he was downD - he was definitely down here in June because he stopped in to see me, but he may, I'm not positive, I think he was taking a plane out of Baltimore and I think he stopped in, I think Gino had taken him to the airport, but I'm not positive about thatS - out of Baltimore to where, back to New YorkD - I have no ideaS - going back to the very recent past, the last time that you saw Gino was say about two weeks agoD - uh huh
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S - and he stopped in and was with whoD - his brother Joe and his sister-in-law and Patrick ShermanS - OK, did you get an opportunity to talk to himD - yeahS - what did the conversation involveD - oh, they were giving me a hard time before and like being very funny towards Gino and you know they were teasing him about you know things like that, that was basically the, other than general, his brother had bought a new car and he had brought it down for Gino to look at it to see what Gino thought was and the conversation just jumped around about cars and that was about itM - what type of car was that, do you knowD - it was something like a Vega, something like thatM - he bought it here in Maryland orD - no, well his brother bought it in Connecticut and wanted Gino to see it and they were on there way to uh Virginia Beach or one of the beaches for a few daysS - did Gino every during the time you said, that you were trying to break off the relationship, at least slow it down some, uh at any time during when you were having a good relationship, did he ever give you any indication of how his business was doing or anything like thatD - uh, Gino always tried to make everyone think that he was doing very well, you knownS - was that including youD - yeah, occasionally he would you know make a joke if I don't get this car sold that I'm not going to have you know, you know some money, things like that, but usually he would try to make it sound as if he was doing very well and he would try to you know show off his money, try to be very extravigant with his moneyS - when you were dating Gino, last summer, about how often were you seeing himD - about every week and he would take me almost every weekS - once or twice a week, something like that
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-10-D - well, I'd see him, you know I would see him two, three, maybefour times a week and then, uh, Gino did buy me a piece ofjewelry, he bought me a charm for a charm braclet, they hada going away party for me but that was just you know everybodyhad bought me, Gino wouldn't always take me out on my day offbecause a lot of things would come up that is another thing thatI couldn't understand is uh we would make plans to go somewhereand all of a sudden he would call me up that afternoon and sayI'm sorry but I must go to Philadelphia for I must go here, hejust made a recent trip to Philadelphia as a matter of fact, uhhe stopped by to take me with him, but I already had anotherdate, so he leftM - did he say why he was going to PhiladelphiaD - no, cars usuallyM - this is sort of personal, but did he every purpose marriageto youD - yeah, we had talked about itM - uh, would you say he lived above his means or within his meansD - I don't know what his means wereM - did you get the impression that maybe he is a high roller,do you know what I mean by high rollerD - uh, yeah, In some ways I think he was and in other ways Idon't knowM - did he gamble any to your knowledgeD - when he was younger he gambled but he didn't gamble any moreM - but the time that you have known him, your knowledge he hasnever gambledD - no he quit gamblingM - how do you know that he gambled when he was youngerD - well he told me stories about you know when they used to goto the race trach and you know things like thisM - how much, what do you mean by when he was youngerD - either just getting out of the service or while he was in theserviceM - did he ever explain to you how he came into money to set uphis businessD - no, and I never really asked him, Patrick was always saying
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-11-D - that Gino worked very hard for everything that he has gotten. Patrick I think was trying to advise Gino to get out of what he was doing, I don't know what Patrick, when Patrick was drinking or Patrick would tell me how you know he wishes Gino would just quit all this and I don't know exactly what Patrick meant by quitingM - did Patrick go by a nicknameD - noS - when was the last time that you say Patrick was with Gino and them, where is Patrick now, do you have any ideaD - in VirginiaS - do you know where in VirginiaD - noS - a guessD - no, he may be working in construction, but I'm not sure, it is either construction or at a garage something like thatS - does he have any friends, relatives or anyone that he dates around hereD - Patrick, no, I don't know of anybody that he would keep in contact withS - does he have a carD - uh a Chevy, I believe it is a Chevy, that Gino had given himM - did Gino have a bookkeeper or a Secretary of anythingD - no, he had one years ago but she and he hasn't replaced itS - two or three years agoD - uh, I guess quite a few you knowM - let me ask you this or maybe you can give us some kind of an answer, or a speculation anyway, since you have known Gino and dated him and so forth, did he ever indicate to you or did you ever get a feeling that maybe there was somebody out to get himD- no, but uh, not so much Gino, but I knew Jason has had a couple stunts with people in his neighborhood really and they had gone as far as doing damage to cars and things like this, and I knew Jason wasn't too well, you know slashed roof tops and things like this, I knew things like that, but as far as Gino not I didn't know of anything
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-13-D - car rental at the Airport because that is where friends friends brother, Sully, I think it was Sully that runs itM - what airport, do you know?D - The Baltimore, baltimore-WashingtonM - Does the name Fran O"Brian right a bell?D- noM - How about McGowan?D - noM - How about the name Joe Nesline?D- noM - How about Charles Tourine?D - noM - did he ever make mention of an individual by the name of Charlie the Blade?M - to your knowledge did Gino ever carry a gun on him?D- noM - To your knowledge was he ever fearful for his life?D - noS - Did you ever have any indication at all that he was in a financial bind or for some other reason he might want to double cross his partner or anything like that?D - noS - we know he garbleD - I don't think Gino would every doublecross Jason, they were very close andM - let me ask you this, do you think Jason would ever harm Gino?D - noM - why do you say that?D - I don't think he would, they seemed to get along very well and they seemed to be very close in their business
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M. - Why would Jason do something like that?D - some disagreements in the neighborhood, and you know he had killed a lot shurbs and they in return drove nails in his cars or something like that and went back and forth, but as far as Gino, no, I don't know of anythingS - Has Gino ever been married, do you know?D - he told me he wasn'tS - had he everD - he told me he had never beenM - let me show you a couple of pictures and see if you recognize any of these people. do you recognize those two individuals?D - noM - you don't know them, how about these two individualsD - that is Gino, but I don't know who the girl is, this most have been taken recently thoughM - Why do you say that?D - I recognize the suit that Gino has on, it just got that within a yearM - you don't know who the girl is. Are you sure that Gino lived in BethesdaD - Gino would always just refer to it as outside of D.C. and then just recently he had been more specific where he was living and I know Gino has a housekeeper or somebody, because Patrick told me that Gino had somebody coming in and all the time watching his dog and watching the house for him and Gino didn't get along well with his neighbors as far as I knowS - why do you say thatD - because they always complained about where he parked his cars occasionally I guess he would drive the older cars home and he would want them right on the lawn close to the house and he told me several times when people would come over and try to fight with him he would tell them off and as far as I know he wasn't close to anybody down there, with exception of the man who owned the restaurant, I know heM - he was close with this guy who owned the restaurantD - Gino, always, not always, I know he rented some cars through the
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S - Was it a social relationship too?D - yes, I don't know for sure but it seemed like Jason would usually call the shots and Gino would usually Jason had more to say about the businessM - was there ever any indication as to who actually owned the business?D - I took it that they were partnersM - Partners, 50 50. Did the name Stanley Tashoff ever arise?D - Is that his lawyer?M - yeahD - yesM - have you ever met his lawyer?D - noS - what contex did it come up in?D - uh, problems with the place, the city would say he had to have such and such and he would contact StanleyM - The 75 Lincoln, the white one I believe it was, do you recall seeing that one?D - No, it wasn't white, one was beige and the other was silver, wasn't it.M - silver, OK, the one with the tag number GINOD - yes that wasM - which one did he bring back from California?D - the beigh one, it was tan color, cream color interior was the one that he had driven backS - that trailer that his truck was pulling, describe it for me so I know we are talking about the same trailerD - its uh white and it has Horseless Carriage Carrier written on itS - about how big is it?D - I think it is an 18 wheeler, I'm not sure, but I think it isM - we just came by his place of business and we saw this big tractor trailer parked in the back, without the tractor, does that belong to Gino?
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-15-D - he had twoM - he had two of them?D - yeahM - you don't know where the other one is?D - did that one say Horseless Carriage Carrier on it?M - no, this is a pretty big one it takes a tractor to pull an eight wheelD - OK, this one, this is the one that I just told you about that I believe I saw last Monday nightS - did you get any impression at all, you must have had some impression because you said it wasn't Gino driving it so what kind of impression led you to believe it wasn't Gino?D - the man in it didn't look like GinoS - what did he look like?D - I honestly can't tell you, I honestly can'tM - Does the name Bill Bogley ever come up in conversation, how about a name Ronald, Ronald Smisek? How about a guy by the name of Knohl?M - Did Gino seem to be upset over the fact that he had three of these cars stolen?D - no, not at allM - he didn't?D - no, that is why probably the reason he didn't mention it to meS - he never mentioned it to you?D - never, not once did he say anything about it. He was in an extremely good moodS - Is Gino going with anybody now since you all have kind ofD - not that I know of, Gino is very set with me, I plan, uh and going to talk with him, but when he came here to pick me up that one time and take me out, he was very upset with me that I already had another date and you know he was in the bar and he tried to joke around with me and try to get me to come over sit with them and his brother mentioned going out to dinner together and I just made light of it and Gino was a littleNW 88326 Docld:32266807 Page 36