Francesco/who-killed-jfk huggingface dataset:
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1021 support.2 Q Do you still maintain the records with respect to that tracing activity?4 A I have all the names that have been traced.5 Q And they are on little cards down in your files?6 A Yes.7 Q Why have those records been maintained? Is there any reason those records have been maintained?9 A Well, because we were told to maintain them when the Watergate thing broke.11 Q I see.12 A And since then nobody will destroy anything.13 Q OK. Are you aware of any picketing at various places in the country that has been conducted by Cuban groups?16 A I was not aware of it until I was told of it. I still don't know whether this was a spontaneous action on the part of these people or whether they were instructed to do it. I tried to run that down and I have been unable to.20 Q At what locations has it been reported that pickets were located?22 A Airline offices in New York, Miami. I think another place. I forget where it was.24 Q Have you in fact been able to verify that these persons were Cubans?SECRETPhotocopy from Gerald Ford Library
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1 A Well, it is a matter of record in the AMOT historythat this indeed did take place. Now, what I have been tryingto determine is whether the On-Site Case Officer authorizedthis, which I fully doubt.2 Q Who was the On-Site Case Officer?.3 A At that time it was a fellow by the name of TonySforza.4 Q Is he still alive?5 A Yes, he is down in Miami. But I just do not knowwhether this was a unilateral action on the part of theAMOTS against the countries that were then trading withCuba, notably Spain and Great Britain and France.6 Q Other than this incident which we -- strike that.7 What kind of an investigation have you conducted?8 A I have talked to people, which is really all youcan do. There is no other way you can do it.9 Q You have been unable to determine who, if anyone,authorized this activity? Have you been able to identifyany of the persons who participated in the picketing?10 A No.11 Q With what frequency did this activity occur?12 A I don't have any idea. I only know of one instance.13 Q This was in New York City?14 A New York City and Miami.15 Q Do you know of any organized political activity that
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1 the AMOTS engaged in?2 A To my knowledge, they didn't engage in any.3 Q Any political activity.4 Do you know of any other activities that they have5 conducted within this country, they or any of their members6 have conducted within this country that we have not already7 discussed this afternoon?8 A No.9 Q Any political activities? Any operations?10 A No. Not really. Of course, we have used certain11 select individuals to what we call hand-hold defectors, Cuban12 defectors. In other words, live with them until they are13 resettled and this type of thing. And this is another activity14 they engaged in. But other than that, I can't think of any-15 thing else.16 Q Do you know of any criminal activities that have17 been attribited to --18 A I have heard of some allegations which have never19 been proven.20 Q What are the allegations?21 A The allegations concern break-ins and surveillances22 and this type of thing.23 Q Have those allegations been made with any fre-24 quency?25 A Well, I forget who it was. It was during the
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1051 Watergate trial. Some of these allegations that came out2 and I think they were carried in the Anderson column but we3 made file checks and this type of thing. One particular4 activity was supposed to have been carried out in Rockefeller5 Center in New York and it turns out it was taken out of6 context. It was a training mission and -- training exercise.7 These guys were being trained in surveillance in New York8 and they were simply asked to go into a branch of the Manhattan9 -- Chase Manhattan and to come back out and then they were10 supposed to diagram the layout of the bank. And this to some11 of them meant casing the bank when in fact it was just a12 memory exercise.13 Q With what frequency were those kinds of training14 exercises conducted?15 A Well, whenever there was an -- whenever it was felt16 that these people, selected individuals, were to be trained17 in trade craft.18 Q And did their trade craft training include such19 things as surveillance?20 A Sure.21 Q And break-ins?22 A No. Not break-ins. Nor surreptitious entry. As I23 said, in the case of this particular thing, it was misinter-24 preted as casing the bank. These exercises were given -- they25 could have walked into your office, your outer office andSECRETPhotocopy fromGerald Ford LibraryNW 50955 DocId:32275454 Page 107Phone (Area 202) 544-6000WARD & PAUL410 First Street, S.E., Washington, D.C. 20003
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1 said -- the instructor could have said two hours later tell2 me what is in that outer office? What is the layout of it?3 This is just for observation.4 Q You stated earlier none of those allegations have5 been proven. Have any of them been proved to your6 satisfaction?7 A No. I think we disproved them to my satisfaction.8 Q I take it you do not believe they took place other9 than the training exercise?10 A Oh, no. No. I don't believe they did.11 Q Do you know of any instances where members of that12 group have broken in, made any other type of illegal entry13 in this country?14 A No.15 Q Have you ever been present at any discussions of16 the legality or illegality of maintaining stations like the17 Miami Station within this country?18 A Legality? No.19 Q How about the propriety?20 A Well, to my knowledge, that really never came up.21 No one to my knowledge, has ever questioned the legality or22 the propriety of having the Station.23 Q There have been some allegations in the press and24 elsewhere about possible misuse of Cuban exiles, members of25 that community, by the CIA. Are you aware of those?
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1 A No.2 Q We received some correspondence and I have seen some articles that suggest that the Cuban community is sort of a resource that is occasionally tapped by the CIA for various operations in this country.6 A You mean this country?7 Q Yes. Picketing was one example. There were also some other examples of unusual activities. Do you have any knowledge of use by the CIA of Cuban nationals or exiles for any type of operation within this country?11 A No.12 Q Do you know whether or not the Agency has provided any financial support for Cuban businessmen in this country?14 A No. Not to my knowledge.15 Q Other than the maintenance of cover?16 A No.17 Q Establishment of businesses?18 A No.19 Q No?20 A No.21 Q In the course of our discussions today we discussed the AMOTS, the AMDUKES, various political front groups, revolutionary front groups. Are there any other emigre, Cuban emigre groups in the Miami area which have been supported by the Agency, either financially or otherwise?
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1 A Not to my knowledge.2 Q Are you familiar with the appendix that was attached to Mr. Colby?s statement?4 A Yes.5 Q Did you have some role in drafting that?6 A You mean the Miami Station thing?7 Q Appendix J, entitled, "The Miami Station".8 A Yes.9 Q You wrote it?10 A Yes.11 Q It has a familiar ring about it. There are references to indigenous organizations, emigre organizations. Are13 there any others other than the ones we have been discussing?14 A Not to my knowledge. There are, you know, if you want to call it an organization, we did, you know, subsidize16 the hell out of Juanita Castro.17 Q Yes, I am familiar with that.18 A You are familiar with all that and that is by the board now, too.20 Q She was doing --21 A Propaganda.22 Q -- propaganda broadcasts.23 A Yes.24 Q Do you have any personal knowledge of what kind of intelligence-gathering activities are conducted in the Miami
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109area now by the Miami Station?A There are no domestic activities at all in the Miami Station. All Cuban activities have been moved back here to Headquarters. The Miami Station now is completely and solely involved in the intelligence in the Caribbean.Q Does the Miami Station -- I beg your pardon -- does the Headquarters component that now handles the Cuban situation in Miami run any agents in the Cuban community?A No. Well, let me explain that to you. We do have a career agent who has been with us for a good many years. in Miami and we do use him to contact relatives of Cubans who are still in Cuba. I mean, relatives who are in the U.S. who have relatives in Cuba.Now, this is done principally with the idea of a recruitment target, determine weaknesses or strengths, this type of thing. He does contact these people all over the United States. If we come across an individual that looks like he might be recruitable, or perhaps we could even double him, we will, after we make our preliminary assessment, and we find out where relatives and these types of people are, we will ask this career agent or instruct him to go contact these people, be it New York, New Jersey, Chicago, or what-ever.So you use Cuban, now citizens or aliens in this country, as access agents.
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1 A Right.2 Q Just like foreign associates would do.3 A Exactly.4 Q Are there any more people like Bernard Barker who5 are contract employees of the Agency who still work in the6 Miami-Cuban community?7 A No. None.8 Q That entire apparatus has been --9 A Has been dismantled.10 Q -- dismantled. What is the current size of the11 Miami Station?12 A I really don't know but it runs between 11 and 14,13 as far as I know. I think it will be ll by the next fiscal14 year.15 MR. MANFREDI: Off the record.16 (Discussion off the record.)17 MR.MANFREDI: Let's go back on the record.18 BY MR. MANFREDI:19 Q There are presently no Cuban Ops being conducted out20 of Miami?21 A No. All Cuban Ops. are being conducted out of22 Headquarters.23 Q And even from the Headquarters location there are24 no paramilitary operations?25 A No.Photocopy fromGerald Ford Library
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SECRETQ No covert -- well, there is some propaganda activity being conducted still?A On a very small scale, and the covert action facility that we had, the radio, taped program, is being terminated by 30 June. So for all practical purposes, it is terminated now.Q The Miami Station is under official cover.A Yes.Q And it has been decreased to how many people?A Between 11 and 14.Q And it has absolutely no responsibilities with respect to Cuba?A Absolutely none.Q And its responsibilities are entirely directed to other Latin American countries?A To Caribbean countries.Q Caribbean countries. And I trust that there are other Agency stations in the Caribbean?A Yes.Q Well, I have no further questions, Mr. Sturbitts.If you have anything you would like to add you are welcome to do so.A No, I have nothing.Q I want to thank you on behalf of myself and the Commission for your cooperation.SECRETPhotocopy from Gerald Ford Library
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SECRET1 A Sure.2 Q I am sorry we had to take so much of your time.3 A That is all right.4 Q Thank you again.5 (Whereupon, at 3:35 o'clock p.m., the taking of the6 deposition was concluded.)---Photocopy from Gerald Ford LibrarySECRET
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2025 RELEASE UNDER THE PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY ASSASSINATION RECORDS ACT OF 1992JFK Assassination SystemIdentification FormDate: 8/27/201Agency InformationAGENCY: ROCKCOMRECORD NUMBER: 178-10003-10001RECORD SERIES: ASSASSINATION FILEAGENCY FILE NUMBER: ASSASSINATION MATERIALS--MISC. ROCK/CIA (9)Document InformationORIGINATOR: CIAFROM:TO:TITLE: MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD, SPECIAL GROUP MEETING 20 SEPTEMBER 1962DATE: 09/20/1962PAGES: 1SUBJECTS:*   ANTI-CASTRO ACTIVITIES*   CIA*   CLANDESTINE OPERATIONSDOCUMENT TYPE: MEMORANDUMCLASSIFICATION: SecretRESTRICTIONS: 1CCURRENT STATUS: RedactDATE OF LAST REVIEW: 07/15/1993OPENING CRITERIA:COMMENTS:
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178-10003-10001MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD OF SPECIAL GROUP MEETING OF20 SEPTEMBER 1962There was discussion of FIRE FLY. Its use over Kamchatka was disapproved. General Carter raised the possibility of using it against Cuba, and State appeared enthusiastic. (General Carter does not feel that any operations which DD/R has been considering have been prejudiced by this discussion.)There was some discussion of the balloon operation over Cuba, but action was deferred until next week. In the meantime, State is most anxious that it be arranged for the exiles to do this and that they not come running back to Miami immediately. The question was also raised as to whether the exiles could still obtain helium.The next ambassadorial counter-insurgency team will go to Africa. The chairman will be Carl Hummelsine. We are to drum up a candidate.In presenting the North Vietnam plan next week, CIA is to include the requirement for an overflight to gather radar information. In connection with the whole North Vietnam operation, State seems determined to have no overflights over Laos and no involvement of Chinese Nationalist aircraft or personnel except possibly Chinese pilots in sterile aircraft with South Vietnam credentials. State plans to balance very carefully the risks versus the potential gains. DD/I is to prepare the same sort of assessment on the North Vietnam operation as on Tibet.The Air Libya item was approved as presented.The support to the Apra Party in Peru approved as presented.On Tibet, to be acted on next week, Secretary Rusk is absolutely bent on getting the Indians cranked in.SECRETNW 50955 DocId: 32204614 Page 2
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General Carter briefed the meeting on the provision of the security advice to the President of Colombia.General Carter read the CIA memo on CINCARIB communications problems. The meeting expressed delighted surprise at our capability. We are now a full-fledged member of the State-Defense group which is considering this problem.On Nicaragua, a memo is to be prepared for the Acting DCI-describing the degree of Cuban involvement, particularly in the shipment of arms to Nicaragua by way of Honduras. This memo will also cover Communist infiltration of student and laoor and a discription of CIA activities in these same fields.There was a long discussion of the role of USIB in recommending countries to be placed on the counter-insurgency list. Full account to be gotten Ton To::: Parroti.There was discussion of the Southeast Asia status report, concentrating on strategia hamlets, the Montagnards, and the bad press situation in Saigon.General Carter called attention to the memoranda on the North Vietnam presence in Laos. The question came up as to whether there was an SNIE in the works on this. This subject is to be keptcurrent, especially in view of the 6 October deadline.State and Defense announced that they had now sen the counter sturgency dortre papers to everyone in the field.Theme was a suggestion that it was time for a progress report he South Vietnam intelligence capability,SECRET
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2025 RELEASE UNDER THE PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY ASSASSINATION RECORDS ACT OF 1992JFK Assassination SystemIdentification FormDate: 8/27/201Agency InformationAGENCY: ROCKCOMRECORD NUMBER: 178-10003-10016RECORD SERIES: ASSASSINATION FILEAGENCY FILE NUMBER: ASSASSINATION MATERIALS--MISC. ROCK/CIA (10)Document InformationORIGINATOR: CIAFROM:TO:TITLE: MINUTES OF MEETING OF THE SPECIAL GROUP, 30 AUGUST 1962DATE: 08/30/1962PAGES: 4SUBJECTS: CUBADOCUMENT TYPE: PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMENTCLASSIFICATION: SecretRESTRICTIONS: ConsultedCURRENT STATUS: WithholdDATE OF LAST REVIEW: 07/15/1993OPENING CRITERIA :COMMENTS:v9.1NW 50955 DocId:32204599 Page 125
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# 178-10003-1001630 August 1962MEMORANDUM FOR RECORDSUBJECT: Minutes of Meeting of the Special Group, 30 August 1962.PRESENT: Gun ral Taylor, Mr. Johnson, Mr. Gilpatric, General Carter, General Lemnitzer, and Hr. BundyColonel Steakley was present for Items 1-3.Mr. Pford Herbert was present for Items 4-6.1. ReconnaissanceA. DOD Peripheral FlightsThe peripheral flights were approved as presented. It was noted that LOLLY would involve only a single aircraft as opposed to the previous two plane flights in this area. As to LUCETTE and MICHELE, it was pointed out that these flights would not be flown while the Soviet niclear test prohibited zone was still in effect. In response to a question from Mr. Johnson as to why these flights were 40 rather than 50 miles off the coast, Colonel Steakley said that the distance selected was a variable, depending on the purpose of the flight and other conditions.B. LaosGeneral Taylor asked if anyone cared to reopen this matter. Mr. Gilpatric presented the Defense position. In view of the Soviet transport circraft stand down and the indications that the Communists were at least going through the notions of carrying out the agreement, Defense was in favor of not reopening the matter until the 75 day withdrawal period was over and an evaluation had been made of the degree of Communist compliance. General Lemnitzer, while willing to take the risk of waiting, said he would like to make it clear that from the military point of view it was most important that we have good informa- tion on Communist activities. These flights are our prime source of hard information. The consensus of the Group was that this subject would not be reopened until after the 75 day withdrawal period was over.c. Overflights of South Laos(1) Colonel Steakley pointed out that there was one problem in connection with a flat prohibition on photo flights over Laos, At present, EF-101's based in Thailand must overfly the southern panhandleUNMARKEDNATIONAL SECURITY INFORMATION
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enroute to execute missions in South Vietnam. He proposed that thegeneral policy te wodfiled to permit high altitude overflights (35,000feet) to and from South Vietnam, by planes based in Thailand. It wasbrought out that the average activity level was about two missions aboutevery three days. There was agreement that photo reconnaissance ingeneral against guerrilla targets was difficult but that this made itall the more important to do all that we can, These flights areessentially covert; as, current agreements preclude the filing of flightplans for photo aircraft. Mr. Johnson said that the Department waswilling to go along with this activity, but felt that the matter hadto be reviewed by higher authority cue to his very explicit previousinstructions to the contrary. The Group's decision to approve thisspecific exception to the prohibition against photo flights over Laoswas later reported to higher authority.(2) In discussing the matter above, the desirability ofredeploying the aircraft to South Vietnam was mentioned. This matterwas referred to Defense for further examination. It was also recognizedthat the South Vietnamese might well be given some indigenous capabilityfor photo reconnaissance. It was also suggested that possible Laosoverflights, after the 75 day period had clapsed, wight well be put inthe standard overflight category rather then being handied as a separateitem.D. The ELINT flights from Thailand were discussed and approvedwith the understanding that they would use the specific routes indicatedΕ. The Agency's monthly forecast wes reviewed and noted. Allof the flights contained therein had been previously approved. GeneralCarter mentioned that there might be an additional requirement forflights over Cuba.F. The destroyer surveillance mission DESOTO was discussed andapproved. It was pointed out that the ship generally operates 20 milesoffshore, but closes to 12 miles under certain conditions. The Grouprequested that they be informed if any of the various ELLNT operationspicked up unusual indications.G. The Group reviewed certain submarine activition and approvedthem as presented.2. Resupply of the MeesGeneral Carter raised the question of exactly how approval shouldbe obtained for arus and ammunition resupply missions to the Keos. Itwas agreed that this was a matter for consultation between the Departmentof State and CLA, and need not be referred to the Group for decision.
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### 3. Soviet Signal Intelligence ShipsThe Growo considered an outline plan for "communication" with Communist crews. The general consensus was that this plan did not fall within the purview of the Special Group, It was referred back to 3 for further development. The matter will be discussed at a State-JCS meeting to be held in the near future. Mr. Gilpatric also expressed interest in seeing a more detailed development of the concept. Mr. Bundy pointed out that we should be careful where such activities are pursued. Generally speaking, they should be limited to the high seas or international air space. General Carter raised the point that this concept should not be stretched to include defection operations on land. This is a highly skilled operation which requires special attention and control. The Group took no particular position for or against the concept in referring it back to Defonso.### 4. ChileThe Group reviewed the two Agency papers. Mr. Johnson stressed the necessity for concealing U.S. participation in this operation and also expressed some concern about the possibility of the Radicals pulling out prematurely and bringing the government down. The Agency mentioned the desirability of policy-level conversations with suitable Chileans so that they would be aware of the future political arrangements which it is felt would be to the common interests of Chile and the United States. The Group approved the recommendation in paragraph 5 on page 7.### 5. Dominican RepublicThe Group noted this paper. Cenoral Carter urged the Department of State to continue to press the interim goverment on the desirability of holding early elections.### 6. PanamaMr. Johnson said that State concurred in the general thrust of this paper, but would like to limit the continuation of the program to a three-month period during which time it would be reviewed in detail by State and CIA. The Group approved the proposal with this reservation.### 7.General Lemnitzer stated that Mr. McCone had called him and posed a possible requirement for low-level photography of critical Cuban targets. Ceneral Lemnitzer said that from the military point of view this was feasible, utilizing either RF-101 or F8U aircraft flown by U.S. pilots from various bases of carriers in the Caribbean area.
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EVES CILYuse of Cutan pilots would involve a delay of some months due to the precise training required. General Carter pointed out that we are accustomea to doily of overflights in any case and that the possibility of Cuban protests should not dissuade us from making these fiights if they are necessary. It was pointed out that other types of photo-graphy, while useful in pinpointing critical targets, do not give sufficient detall for precise identiiication of certain types of equip-ment. After some discussion, the Group agreed to take cognizance of this matter and requested that it be reopened at an appropriate time when specific targets and information neers could be identified.8. It was agreed that the Agency would present a paper concerning Action Against North Vietnam at next week's meeting.***General Taylor did not have an opportunity to review these minutes prior to his departure.![Gerald R. Ford Library stamp]Julian J. EwellColonel, USADistributionMr. JohnsonMr. GilpatricGeneral CarterGeneral Taylor![photocopy from the Gerald R. Ford Library]
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178-10003-100902025 RELEASE UNDER THE PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY ASSASSINATION RECORDS ACT OF 1992JFK Assassination SystemIdentification FormDate: 8/27/201AGENCY: KISS/SCOWAgency InformationRECORD NUMBER: 178-10003-10090RECORD SERIES: CHURCH COM.AGENCY FILE NUMBER: 7506462 (2)Document InformationORIGINATOR: NSCFROM:TO: RECORDTITLE: MINUTES OF MEETING OF SPECIAL GROUP (AUGMENTED) ON MONGOOSE, 9/6/62DATE: 09/06/1962PAGES: 5SUBJECTS: CLANDESTINE OPERATIONSOPERATION MONGOOSECUBAN EXILESANTI-CASTRO ACTIVITIESDOCUMENT TYPE: MEMORANDUMCLASSIFICATION: UnclassifiedRESTRICTIONS: ICCURRENT STATUS: RedactDATE OF LAST REVIEW: 07/16/1993OPENING CRITERIA :COMMENTS: Attached to 1781000310069. Unmarked but probably TOP SECRET.v9.176NW 50955 DocId:32204525 Page 1