Francesco/who-killed-jfk huggingface dataset:
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TOP SECRET1.  Springfield "03 rifle, that probably would have struck me as being unusual, but I did not see the inventories of all the caches.2.  Mr. Johnston. Would you commonly or routinely see cables from the Director, especially on the AMLASH operation?3.  Mr. Halley. No.4.  From the Director to whom?5.  Mr. Johnston. TO JMWAVE.6.  Mr. Halley. My recollection is, other than specific requests to put in caches, that there wasn't any cable traffic7.  between Washington and JMWAVE on that particular operation.8.  Mr. Johnston. I am searching through my notes --9.  Mr. Halley. Right.10. Mr. Johnston. The Committee does not have copies of the file of AMLASH. That is at the Agency. Let me, if you'll11. accept it as a fact that there was a cable in early December 1963 from the Director to JMWAVE directing, using the crypt12. AMLASH and directing that a cache be supplied him, including an that, itemizing two rifles with telescopic sights.13. Mr. Halley. Than kind of a cable I may or may not have seen. In other words, that would have been a fairly standard14. Logistics kind of thing to get a cache and it would have come up on my briefing chart for the month, the operation, a number15. of days before the operation was launched, I would have had a briefing with all of the paramilitary and maritime officersTOP SECRETNW#:55510 DocId:32423433
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TOP SECRET1 and our COMINT, ELINT and other specialists to look at the OV2 and make a decision as to whether the operation should go or3 not go. At that point I probably would have known that it was4 a cache, that it contained weapons, that it was in support of5 a headquarters run operation.6 Mr. Johnston. Do you recall on or about 7 or 8 December7 1963 a stop being put on operations, certain operations that8 went into Cuba?9 Mr. Halley. I don't recall that specific timeframe, but10 there were periodic ups and downs in the number of operations11 that could be run. We would get policy guidance to stand12 down for a period of time, that once one of those things came13 out, I think that we had a series of discussions, I think with14 Washington, and appeals, that if there was a standdown, and15 we had to say something, who were dependent on us in Cuba16 for food and a continuing flow of weapons, that we couldn't17 have them preparing these caches and risking their lives to18 come to the reception points and not be able to meet the19 schedules.20 Mr. Johnston. Do you recall, though, in the period of, 121 and 2 December, headquarters first authorizing certain22 operations and then calling off the operations, and specifically23 cables which said, and I quote -- pardon me, I don't quote.24 The operations being called off, "pending major top level25 Cuban-Caribbean policy review scheduled early next week which.TOP SECRET
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TOP SECRETProna (Area 202) 343-40001 should provide basis for decision.2 Mr. Halley. I don't recall your specific dates or your3 timeframe, but the point I would like to leave with you is that4 there were several periods like that where we had upsand downs,5 and yes, I do recall standdowns on operations.6 Mr. Johnston. You don't recall a standdown within two7 weeks of the assassination of President Kennedy.8 Mr. Halley. I am sorry, I don't. You know, I accept that9 it occurred, but you know, there were so many of those during10 the three and a half year period of time that I don't recall11 that specific one.12 Mr. Johnston. What does the phrase "higher authority"13 generally mean in Agency cables?14 Mr. Halley. Well, at that particular point in time, I15 think higher authority was a euphemism for the President and16 top level policy decisionmakers at the NSC 40 Committee level.17 Mr. Johnston. And again, you don't recall knowing in18 the same time period, December 1963, that you were cabled that19 the headquarters procedure was to present the infiltration20 procedures to higher authority.21 Mr. Halley. Well, I have forgotten the date when this22 transition took place. As of a fixed date, in the course23 of this operation, we had to supply all of our infiltration24 oparations a month in advance. I'm sorry, I just don't25 recall when that went into effect. Prior to that time weTOP SECRETNW#:55510 DocId:32425439
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TOP SECRET1 pretty well scheduling these ourselves, but then a requsat2 came in that we put these in a month in advance. Bo So as I3 told you before, if I wanted to run a schedule for October, I4 had to have it in in Washington with all of the Ops plans5 by I think the 15th of September.6 Senator Schweiker. Did a former ambassador William7 Pauley, a man called Willian Pauley, who at one time owned8 properties in Havana and now living in Miami, did he ever9 finance some of the operations that you are aware of out of10 Miami, William Pauley?11 Mr. Halley. Yes, I know BELL Paulay. He was involved in12 in my time, in one specific operational activity. I don't13 think it would be proper to hay that he financed it, however.14 Senator Schweiker. This is the one weere people were15 killed in a boat raid?16 Mr. Halley. Well, we don't know what happened to t17 My recollection of the operation is that Bill Pauley wa18 approached by Life Magazine, and this was involved with an19 Individual by the name of John Martino, because this has co20 up recently. The Committee has asked me about this before i21 told them at first I couldn't remember the name, and I had22 to go back and conduce à file search, and I came up with23 John Martino's name, who had been involved in gambling casin24 in Cuba.25 Martino was in touch with a number of Cubans whoTOP SECRET
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TOP SECRET1 claimed that they had access to two soviet missile technicians.2 Pauley brought this operation to the Agency, and the Agency3 agreed that we would cooperate with then in pursuit of this4 operation.5 Senator Schweiker. And Time-Life did some funding for6 it, too?7 Mr. Halley. Well, they were involved, but they did not8 fund it. My recollection is Pauley made the boat available,9 the Flying Tiger, which was his yacht, we paid for the gas and10 oil for that particular boat, and we provided all of the other11 equipment that went into the operation. Pauley went on that12 vessel down to the launch point. The men were launched in a13 small infiltration boat. It took off, went off toward the14 Cuban mainland, and were never seen or heard from since then.15 We never had any reporting on them.16 Senator Schweiker. Was Pauley involved with other17 operations with you folks, or is that the only one?18 Mr. Halley. That is the only operation that he was19 involved with the Agency. He, however, was very helpful in20 terms of providing advice on various people that he had known21 from his long involvement in Cuba. He was useful in providing22 introductions to various people that we wanted to meet. I23 recall on one occasion he introduced me to a prominent Cuban24 that I wanted to meet. He brokered that.25 Pauley, on his own, gave money to various Cuban groups.TOP SECRET
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TOP SECRETunrelated to what we were doing. He was also a participant in the raising of the initial ransca for the members of Brigade 2506.Senator Schweiker, here is an article - rather than me rand It, I'll give you a chance to zean it. It is Claire Booth Luce. As you know, she is on the Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, and has been for some time, and Bill Colby was her chief of station when she was ambassador to Italy. This story came to me not through the paper, frankly, but from Mrs. Luce personally, expressing her concern. It subsequently did appear in a paper and I did not release it. Mrs. Luce specifically released it to Betty Beale, and the reason it i relevant here is that from what I read here, the group the is referring to is probably the DIE group or some part of the DHE group in Now Orleans, and while that is not too clear, she did associate Mr. William Paulay with it. But that i somewhat confused, because you said he wasn't involved in any osher operation other than the one you mentioned..Mr. Halley. Well, I'm -- Mr. Pauley, I know Mr. Pauler and Mrs. Luco are friends. They see each other, or they usen I haven't seen them in a number of years, but they used to be in the same social circuit, so I am sure that Mr. Pauler recounted a war scory in his contacts, so sho is probably aware of the general operation to get the two Soviets oQUE O Cuba. That is the only operation that he ran with us durinTOP SECRET
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TOP SECRET1 my stewardship of the station.2 Senator Schweiker. There is a vast difference of recollec3 tion between the two on what happened. She very strongly4 recollects that in addition to the thing that you described,5 which is a matter of record, by the way, with the Senate6 Committee, it is a matter of Committee record, in addition to7 that, that this is in it also.8 Rather than read the whole thing, you might read the9 paragraphs I have outlined. She feela vary strongly about it.10 She has called me several times about it. She is absolutely11 certain of her information, and her Cuban source doesn't want12 to talk for fear of his life.13 (The Witness reads the document.)14 Mr. Halley. No, that doesn't ring any bolls. I cannot15 put that in any context,16 Let me go back to this Pauley business. I think at one17 time, one other thing that Pauley did for us, I think he18 provided an opportunity for us to pick up some cargo in tho19 Dominican Republic to provide cover for one of our vessels shot20 we were using at that time for infiltration operations in the21 area but those are the only chings that I can remember off22 top of my head.23 Senator Schweiker. You see, where he says here that24 contact with a group, the story goes on to say that this25 group supplied a tape and pictures of that contact, and thisTOP SECRET
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TOP SECRETSPhone (Area 202) 344-60001 FBI did not follow them up, which is a rather serious charge2 itself, and that is why I wonder if there is some DRB relation-3 ship here with Bringuier.4 Maybe you can give us that case officer's name, Seymour.5 Mr. Bolten. Which one?6 Senator Schweiker. The case officer for the DRE group.7 It would have to be the one at the time when Oswald was8 in New Orleans, which is -- when was that?9 Mr. Johnston. The fall of '63.10 (Discussion off the record.)11 Senator Schweiker. Going on, I didn't follow the final12 question on DeBstada, your detail man to Customs.13 Were you aware that he was doing some investigating14 after the Kennedy assassination?15 Mr. Halley. No, I don't have any firsthand recollection16 of that.17 Senator Schweiker. And the way you were structured, would18 he be the logical person to, if somebody asked for either a19 name check or some follow-up --20 Mr. Halley. He would have been the logical person if he21 had something specific to pursue or he would have been the22 logical person to put a question to if we were looking for23 atmospheric, you know, what the Cuban community was thinking.24 Senator Schweiker. How about Julio Lobo?25 Mr. Halley. He's the sugar king.TOP SECRET
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TOP SECRET1 Senator Schweiker. He's the sugar king there.2 Did he assist with any of your operations, either financially or in terms of his people or in terms of his organization3 Mr. Halley, My recollection of that, there was no direct4 contact between us and Julio Lobo. We did have various5 Cuban investigative and research groups that we were working6 with. My belief is that one of these groups must have been7 tapping Lobo for his knowledge of the sugar market, because8 we were constantly making projections of where the sugar crop9 was going in Cuba, because that impacted on the stability of the10 Cuban economy. In other words, when it was a good crop, you11 could figure that Castro's going to have millions of dollars.12 When he didn't have a good crop, this was going to impact on13 where he wanted to go with building the revolution.14 Senator Schweiker. There is another name that I believe15 had some relationship with him, maybe businesswise, James16 Coyswell, de Caldwell.17 Mr. Halley, Caldwell. I think that was the fellow that18 was employed by the Agency at one time.19 Senator Schweiker. Right.20 Mr. Halley. Who was --21 Senator Schweiker. What was his project at that point?22 Mr. Halley. He was working here in Washington. He was23 on the Cuban project to Washington. He was primarily concerned24 with economic activities and how pressure could be put on it.25 TOP SECRET
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TOP SECRET1 Cuban economy.2 Senator Schweiker. And how about an Antonio Veciana,3 a Cuban name?4 Mr. Halley. Yeah, I think he's the owner, one of the5 part owners in the restaurant in Miami called Las Violinas.6 Senator Schweiker. At one point he worked for --7 Mr. Halley. Could you spell the name?8 Senator Schweiker. Maybe I'm not pronouncing it right.9 v-e-c-i-a-n-a.10 Mr. Halley. I think that's the fellow who used to11 run the restaurant called Las Violinas, and he was involved12 with a number of Cuban exile groups. I think he was connec-13 ted with the second front of the Escambrai, but that is off the14 top of my head. We'd have to do a trace.15 Senator Schweiker. Did David Phillips, during yourtenure there, have any assignment in Cuba?16 What was his relationship at the time of this period?17 David Phillips? That's head of the Retired --18 Mr. Halley. Yes, at that point in time he was station:19 in Mexico City, and my recollection was that he was involved20 in covert operation activities against Cuba out of Mexico21 City, and he may have been involved in operations against the22 Cuban embassy in Mexico City. I am a little vaguer on that23 on the first part.24 I know we had some travelers going down to Mexico City.25TOP SECRET
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TOP SECRET1 and their point of contact frequently was Dave Phillips, but2 most of those fellows were dealing with propaganda distribution3 but he could well also have worked against the installation.4 At that time he was not the station chief. He was a5 secondary figure, I guess, at the station.6 Senator Schweiker. Did Howard Hughes or his organization7 or Intertel, assist you in any operations, and I am going to8 exclude for the moment Mr. Maheu, who we know had a very9 specific role, excluding the Maheu situation with Giancana10 and Rosselli that I think you are familiar withy --11 Mr. Halley. Yes.12 Senator Schweiker. To your knowledge, did Howard Hughes,13 Intertel or any of his other groups or associations assist14 or work with you in the Cuban operation?15 Mr. Halley. Not with the Miami station that I am aware16 of.17 Senator Schweiker. Well, I'm not talking about --18 Mr. Halley. Well, back here in Washington that could be,19 but I have no knowledge of it. I can only answer it out of20 the Miami context.21 Senator Schweiker. At one point in time, probably when22 you first came aboard, there was a Lt. Colonel Samuel Kailis,23 who was military attache to the Cuban embassy.24 Does that make ring a bell?25 Mr. Halley. Yes, it does.TOP SECRET
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NW#:55510 DocId: 32423435410 First Street, S.E., Washington, D.C. 20003TOP SECRET59Senator Schweiker. What role was he playing when you came aboard?Mr. Halley. He either came about the same time that I arrived in Miami, and he was in fact the number two fellow at the Opa Locka debriefing center. We had an inter-agency debriefing center set up at Opa Locka. The head of the center was a CIA officer. His principal deputy was Kale. He was the general administrator of the program and he supervised the military personnel who were on detail to the center, and there were debriefing people there for positive intelligence, and when they found someone who was particularly knowledgeable or had some operational exploitation, they would relay them to us.Senator Schweiker. Was he ever detailed to CIA or was he strictly Army intelligence?Mr. Halley. No, at that time he was an Army officer working on a joint project that wasn't a detail assignment. He was just assigned to Opa Locka.Senator Schweiker. Purely Army, but working with you cooperatively.Mr. Halley. Well, I think what happened, unlike most overseas, a table of organization was drawn up for the Opa Locka centers, and it was agreed that the head of that center would be CIA, so we assured that way that the deputy of the center would be a military.TOP SECRET
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TOP SECRETofficer. Therefore Kale was assigned to that. He continued to receive his pay, quarters, and other allowance through the military establishment.Senator Schweiker. What about when he was at the Havana embassy?You are talking about, I guess, after he left the Havana embassy.Mr. Halley. Yes, I am talking about the period 1963 forward, and as I recall, he must have been there up to the end of my tenure there. I have forgotten when he left. I have no knowledge of his activities in Havana. That was before my time. I simply know that he served in Havana, that he was a social acquaintance of a number of the officers that I knew in the station, but I had no firsthand knowledge.Senator Schweiker. How about Robert Brown or Colonel Nichols, the same question, Robert Brown?Mr. Halley. Senator, you'll have to give me something more than Robert brown. That doesn't give me anything.The other was what, Colonel Stelmoker?Senator Schweiker. Colonel Nichols, he was also at the Havana embassy at some point in time.Mr. Halley. I would have no knowledge of him.Senator Schweiker. There was a group called Colala Fantasma. Are you familiar with that group?Mr. Halley. I have heard the name.TOP SECRET
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TOP SECRET1 Senator Schweiker. And it was a project where two2 American pilots were killed. The group conducted some para3 military operation.4 Mr. Halley, That doesn't ring a bell, but the Celula5 Fantasma is a name that I've heard. I can't put it into any6 broader context for you. It certainly was not one of our7 operations.8 Senator Schweiker. That was really my question.9 Do you recall -- was there anyone using the name or10 cryptoname of Bishop for you at any point in time in terms of11 the cuban operations, either Morris Bishop or some other12 Bishop?13 Mr, Halley. That name doesn't mean anything to me.14 Senator Schweiker. Here is a sketch of a person. Does15 this sketch look like anyone that might have been associated.16 cuban operations, either pro-Castro of anti-Castro?17 (The Witness looks at a sketch.)18 Mr. Halley. No, it doesn't. I mean, there is something19 about the face that is familiar, but I can't put a name to20 it and it doesn't ring any bells with me in relationship to21 cuban operation.22 Senator Schweiker. We'll ask Seymour.23 Seymour, how about you, any recollection?24 Mr. Halley. Is it supposed to be Cuban or an American?25 Senator Schweiker. I think an American, but I'm not clear.TOP SECRET
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TOP SECRET1 on that, someone who did do some work in the Cuban activities,2 supposedly on the anti-Castro side.3 Mr. Bolten. He has very regular features, so he could4 be almost anybody, you know.5 And like John says, it is a sort of -- he could be familiar.6 No, I wouldn't place him with anyone I know.7 Senator Schweiker. Go ahead.8 Mr. Johnston. Do you recall Director McCone visiting the9 station in early December of mid-December of 1963?10 Mr. Halley. Mr. McCone made a couple of visits to11 Florida. I'm not sure it would be fair to say that he12 visited the station. My recollection of that is he came to13 Florida. He was put in the property that we had, we had14 conversations with him out at that property, but he didn't15 come out to the physical plant, that is, our station premise,16 and in most cases he was usually en route to or coming back17 from somewhere.18 Mr. Johnston. Do you recall such a visit in December or19 1963?20 Mr. Halley. I can't pin it down to that timeframe. In21 other words, my memory is McCone came to Miami several times.22 Mr. Johnston. Well, let's put it in the timeframe of23 short period after the assassination of President Kennedy.24 Mr. Halley. I cannot put it into the timeframe, I just25 can't. All I can tell you is McCone came down to Florida onTOP SECRET
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TOP SECRET1 a number of occasions. You know, if you asked me what your2 Impression, I don't know, maybe three, four.3 Mr. Johnston, Do you recall anyone from headquarters4 coming down to visit with you in December 1963? Again, this5 is shortly after the assassination of President Kennedy.6 Mr Halley. Do you have the chronology? Was Harvey7 still --8 Mr. Johnston. No, it was Fitzgerald.9 Mr. Halley. Okay. No, I don't, because Harvey periodical10 when he was in used to come down at the time of the Orange11 Bowl game. I do remember going to or Orange Bowl game with12 Harvey. 50 I would have to say no, I dont13 But Look again --14 Mr. Johnston. Well, let me just back up.15 Do you know -- did you have any discussions with anyone16 from the headquarters staff about the effect of the assassi17 of President Kennedy on Cuban operations?18 Mr. Halley. Well, it seems to me Logical that there may19 have been some sort of discursion at that time, but I don't20 recall it. You know, you have to get some in this kind of21 text. It was a pretty scream of people siting from Washington22 to stim. I came to Washington on a regular basis. There were23 be times when I would come up onto every two weeks. There24 would be times when I wouldn't be up here for six weeks, and25 this was à very active period. I was working 14, 15, 16 inTOP SECRETNW#:55510 DocId: 32423435
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TOP SECRET1 a day, seven days a week, and a lot of this is a blur to me.3 So when you say do you remember McCone coming, yes, I do remember that. Can you put it in a time frame of 7 to 85 December, no, I can't.6 Mr. Johnston. Can you put it in the timeframe of shortly7 after the assassination of the President?8 Mr. Halley. I can. You know, you asked me, did anybody come down to visit you in the December timeframe. That's why10 I asked youabout who was the chief because I do recall going to an Orange Bowl game with Harvey one year. Des came down,12 Fitzgerald came down a couple of times, but I don't remember him ever coming in the Christmas timeframe, you know?14 Mr. Johnston. Do you recall having discussions with --15 and I take it your answer is yes -- do you recall discussion between you and someone from headquarters about the affect of17 President Kennedy's assassination on the Cuban operation?18 Mr. Halley. I am sure that there were such discussions19 you know, where is the program going to go, how are we going to be tasked.21 But if you think, whatever, where, Washington or22 what, I couldn't whimper it up for you.23 Mr. Johnston. Do you recall such a discussion with director McCone?25 Mr. Halley. No, I don't.TOP SECRET
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TOP SECRET1 Mr. Johnston. Do you recall such a discussion with2 Mr. Helms?3 Mr. Halley. No, I have to come back to the basic point.4 I don't recall this kind of specific conversation with a5 particular individual, but I am sure that these kinds of6 conversations must have taken place with nomebody from Washing-7 ton or when i was up here in Washington.8 Mr. Johnston. Let me show you the cable that you looked9 at previously before we went on the record, which is WAVE Cable10 8130 of 24 dovember 1963, and the copy we have is barely11 legible. The gist of that in the last numbered paragraph12 reports information WAVE obtained on an individual named13 Rodriguez in Dallas, and also, I think, reports, 15 you και14 read through the poor Xeroxing, that Rodriguez was thought to15 bo antiekennedy.16 My question being, where would you have gotten that17 kind of information?18 (The Witness reads tho docmment.19 Mr. Hallay... doll, to bà lonust with you, I can't load20 the nosoje. It says read Paca 2. av21 go up and took up who the man i Tite is one of Literally22 thousands of cryptonyars across my deska23 It looks tume like NOU L24 Mr. Johnston. Les's yo ors the secord25 (Discussion off the record.)TOP SECRET