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(CRC). I have seven, to work with you, with me, with the people who aregoing to carry out the activities, with the people that I designate.Nothing of that is being done. Then what they want is to work alone.""I will not continue. I will not continue from the time I return toMiami. I have gone on for five months, struggling. I cannot accept thissituation. I have tried to pull together those groups as asked in theWhite House. I haven't succeeded in crouping any rore, because - I want tospeak clearly in order to remain good friends always because you haveprevented it. The students haven't joined, not because of no politicalreason, but perely because you support thes: directly. Presumably the ideais that in this way the security of this nation is better safeguarded.A Consejo was desired to serve as the coordinating group and to provide areans by which the United States would not appear to be intervening in Cuba.If there is to be a Consejo, it must have all the dignity of a Council.""When I try to form a Council, grouping all elements together, theydon't join because they are talking directly with your people - and thereis an office for that purpose in Fiami - which deals with all the ren whowant to work, who want to do things. This is all indecendent of the Council.And some work for a destruction of the Council. I cannot tolerate this. Ihave a son who is a prisoner; either I know the plans, and I knew the sareuverand the problems that they are going to carry out, or I, when I arrive inMiami, will say, "No," and send word to washington. Let them do without me.There will be someone who will submit to these things, but not I.""And of the four items that remedy-promised me to resolve, there-have not been resolved any, and I find syself in the dark. And I as verysorry. I am not going to comprcrise the security of this Nation, butneither ar: I going to compromise the situation of these boys. When theydisappeared, lost their lives, etc., I was confronted with "And you are thepresident of the Council." I cannot remaine in this way..""I haven't been able to group together anything. I was promised thatthe magistrates would all incorcorate together (into the Council), butthat rascal ALALAU is working against the Council and I have reason tobelieve that he is doing it with Agency support, otherwise how would he payfor his politicsl denunciations." I responded, that I believed this couldnot be true. He shouted, "I have expressed my position te you, and I wantyou to get an answer when you can. If these problers that I have set forthdo not have an irmediate solution, I a not to know and to dispose ofrelative actions to be taken, then how, in view of ry situation, must I do."He asked about the plan for clandestine sabotage action by corrandoraid, that he had given us, and what had core of it. I replied that he rustrealize that the study of such a plan necessarily was slow and must beconsidered by rany. He said he was convinced that there was no intention ofaccepting such plans, and that while now we discuss such plans, we lose out."I cannot accept this situation, nor would you."
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SECRET-6-He then said that he could go ahead and dissolve the Council, and let such organization go ahead and do as it pleased; that he couldn't preside over a reaningless council; that this was not a throat, but he would step out. I reassured him that he was highly esteered in Washington and it was necessary that he continue as head of the Council. He replied, "But they disregard re."He reiterated that he had planted four problems, none of which had been resolved; reiterated that is hul planted the proramia problem a long time ago, but that propaganda continues independent of the Council and people are not out like those to the Congress of students in Sao Paulo, where they repeat tinga like parrots which don't go with Latin American audiences."I have asked for arms; either give us massive aid, one, two, three million - whatever is necessary, because this is to destroy Communism, and we'll take our plans. And we'll furnish the dead, for we can do no more. We must work in agreement, because now each time that I speak, it's "we shall see, we are going to study," - and nothing happens. No, no, I shall not preside over another Council existing under these circumstances. I have often spent 24 hours without sleeping, trying to pull together the groups, and meantime, problems arise on all sides. Why? Because so long as other prouse get support, they won't enter the Council. The MR? is in contact with you and getting arms; now the Unidad Revolucionario. I retain the ridiculous one. Already I've suffered a lot and have a son who is a prisoner. And I've talked a lot during these days, and I keep on being a puppet, but worse than a pumpet, because a puppet is moved, but I'm not even moved.""Therefore, I say to you that the groups that want to work with us, you, the chief of that group, and I, we ought to resolve all these questions; for example, with the chief of the military group, because he has pulled together the professional army and the rebel army (elements) and the army of liberation, such as Varela, Botus, Sino and the boys, who have come from the brigade." He declared that SOTUS is a fighter, is willing to return to Cuba, and that he had great confidence in SOTUS.I assured him that the legalization of SOTUS' residence would be arranged, and that Fr. Hurvitz informed me that he believed something could be acre for the other three returnees whose names IT. Firo had given se.Dr. Miro reiterated that he rust speak clearly, that he could not continue thus as a travelling president without having anything to give to his people- nothing to the underground through Council action; nor could he be ignorant of plans which he opposed where Cubans go out to die, and then having their relatives come to him as responsible. He declared, "I don't want to live on a budget, preside over an administrative office, receive people, tell ther lies, saying, "We shall see." The men who areSECRET
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-7-here (in Council) representing organisations must know something of whatthey are going to do and if they ask for 40 rifles, I must be able to say,"Here they are" - not to give arms directly into their hands - but througha contact for this. Othervise you people make your plans, and I'll retirefrom everything. And be assured that never, never will I say a single wordagainst the Agency or the United States, nover, nor explain reasons whichshouldn't be explained."If I cannot have the responsibility that I should have, I shall notland myself to what may result in a tragedy. None of the problems I haveplanted have been resolved, not that of the registrates nor that of theEucumbrey, nor the money to the underground, has been resolved, not theplan of propagamla that I gave you. I cannot continue to sit in an office,While you continus operating, as you wish, with my silont consent. You maychoun someone else like Pr. Godoy, who is asking for arms. Choose andsee whether his nate will save Cuba. You are going to create another Fidel,who is nothing.I reminded him that I had my talks with him only ton daya before, nottwenty, and that I could talk to no one in Washington until a week ago andhad to have rany conversations with many people, and that his proposalscould not be resolved in such a short tire. He returned to the arecrontthat "plans of action de discussed jointly; that it there were objections,that the objections be discussed. He said there had been no objections sofer to discuss; nor objections to propaganda plans. He was to have contactwith a representative of C.I.A. to meet with representatives of organiza-tions that want to collaborate, and with Dr. Viro - nothing developed onthat he declared that he should have knowledge of the activities ofthose that don't want to collatorates and said euch day there will be more,because they want to gain the power for therselves, to act on their ownaccount. He said he knows there is a "Jim" and a "Robert" and others thatare doing things.I assured hir he sust realize that there were any problems involvedin his proposals and that tire was essential to work then out. I remindedhim of his conversation with Mr. Goodwin and the latters' staterent to theeffect that there could be no thought in the foreseeable future of a mili-tary operation against or invasion of Cuba. Miro countered by referring tohis conversation with the President on 18 July and his (Miro's) complaintof inactivity. He said the President proposed the recruiting of Cubans indifferont units of the Army for training so as to utilise ther: at theopportune tine, and that the officers would be invited to our militaryschools. Miro said he had gathered sore of the military together and in-forced them of this cffer, and the next week he was called to discuss therecruiting, which he aproved. Ther General Hershey went to see him athis house, telling him that Cubans wouldn't be sent to Berlin or any suchplace but kept in the U.3. available for use later. Piro said, "If thereis to be no invasion, then let's utilize the underground, which needs armsand roney..STORET
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SECRETHe again repeated, "There rust be rassive propaganda; secondly armas we shall furnish the dead, but I need to know "ilov are we going to die." He commented that he was going to ask that his photo,raph not be put on the cover of a certain sagasine because he didn't know whether he was going to continues that in the present circumstances he didn't see how be could continue. Again I urged that he rust do so, ard that I felt certain that we could maolve sure of his proposals, probably not to the extent that he desired, but at least in part, but that tire was necessary to accomplish this.He repeated that the Council needs to have strection taken in Cups, but the Agency koens on undertaking actiora without any connection with the Council. Further, that he must have the reann for conductiong propa- panda, such as outlined in the "Operation Grietn." lle asked so when could I give him sore answers. I replied that during the current week I expected to have reetings in which these matters would to discussed the Departcent of State, with Mr. Goodwin, with representatives of the Agency, and that I hopod that surething would be resolved, but that he must realize that rany people are involved in such matters and solutions are not reached quickly. Ile reiterated that he had to keep telling his organisations "wait a little longer and that this was becoming onlarrassing.Then he brought up his proposal of having him and the Council go to Cuba, saying "perhaps it would be advantageous that I die in Cuba, that the Council ask recojmition from Cuban soil and the military aid of the United States - all to take place within 48 hours. He added, "I have told you of the reaction of Cardinal 3rellran, "We have done very badly in the Cuban affair."I rerinded hir that despite the urgency that we all recognized in the Cuban situation and its threat to the United States and all the Azericas, there are rany other world problers - Laos, rerlin, atc., - which also occupy the attention of our government cecnle.Then I said I wished to take advantage of our meeting to ask him for information relative to his current budget, first, did he believe that there were any people receiving a salary fra the Council who might also be getting financial aid from. H.E.. He said, "No, I would never partit that. Then he declared that he had two ways of opertin; when he absorted the personnel of the various organizations into the CRC, either to cut off their salaries suddenly, or to put ther to work for their ways that the "norina" (cayroll) crew a little bit tecause he had to take in certain neoule, and that he considered is alsorbing them was sccording to the rolicy of C.I.A. Then he declared that the raxire benefit received by rofugees from. H.F.W. was $100 per faily per month, and that no where here could a farily live on a hundred a ronth. Hence, he did not feel that he could cut off the people on the staffs of the Chic organizations, and send ther. to the H.E.W. Therefore, they were assigned to the different
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SECRET-8-"The money for the underground is ruch and contact is doubtful, an excuse. The problem of Cuba costs a lot of crey! The people of the Escambray - it's difficult to deliver artis to them? But we are going to run that risk. The arts are going to be lost? Well, risks sust le taken." Pirc again referred to the groupe that didn't want to collaborate with the Council but would collaborate directly with the Agency stating that he had opposed it and still opposed it; that he received a very affectionate letter asking hin to try work out all the problers tetveen us and accept a solution, and that a representative would be designated to work with hing that I had appeared and he had spent two very pleasant days with re; that I wan very understanding; that twenty dayn had peased of great anxiety. ("lict twenty but ten," I intermosed.) iis auld ho figured that probably ha ight have arts and hein for the underground and know about plans of action and had felt stremthened. "Eut" he said, "now I feal knocked down. lone of the plans or propaganda proposals have been accepted, none. The firing wall in Cuba continues functioning, 31 dead in 3) days. ly resimation has been written long ago, and I am ready to submit it as soon as I return to Hlar.1."I declared that he must not do that, that he must have patience., that it takes time to resolve these things; He replied that he has been waiting since April und rontioned all the sufferin he had gone through, attacks by everyone, rothers of prisoners and dead, the Arerican Press, Fortune, Time, Lifo, New York Times, etc., all against hin alom; with ALABAU Trellos, and othoras and that he had supported all of this in silence. He had been asked it it were true that there was no air sumrort and had not answered. "The other time I kept my lips closed with absolute faith, the next time I shall have my eyes open and have rany questions. I don't understand how you people can deal with sore of these unknown Cubans."He said, "I've given many proofs of loyalty to you, that they attribute to me the other day in Miari that "there would be an invasion in a tow days", that is not true. I have a tapo recording of what I said which was "very soon (without ventioning any date) in Cuba there would be unveiled the great Pascuas (resurrection) of the Fatherlerd. And the press has mis- interpreted Pascuas as the Pascuna de Navidad (Christsas)."Thus the press comes out with staterents attributed to Dr. Piro that the invasion will take place by Christras, completely a lie and nothing like what I said. I conceded to Dr. Iiro that he had suffered a trerendous number of attacks in silence and that the pross had over a period of time core out with critical remarks. I asked his. If he planned to pass through Washington before returning to Miami and he said he didn't have money for such expenses, that his wife was terribly worried about their son, but that he would have to remain in New York until Wednesday to attend the luncheon for all the editors of the Latin A:erican press, who want to con- verse with him, to help with propaganda but witicut costing the U.S. a cent.COOGET
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-10-cormissions within the CRC: finance, propaganda, clandestine, rilitary,organisation, etc. The ones who are no good or don't want to work, hesaid, he would cut off, but that he couldn't just fire sareone suddenly.He then said saluries were small @ $200, $225 per conth as an averageexcept for particular individuals, such as his assistant Aragon, a verycapable person, and the chiefs of the various organizations who work "fulltize" and receive $400 each; further that he planned to give each organiza-tion approximately $700 per month for their operating expenses, somo less,some a little more - (MRR, Rescate, 30 de Nov, 20 de Faye, AAA Independ-ientes, Kontecristi).When I questioned whether the Pontecristi organization was still inthe CliC, he said it was, that only Justo Carillo had dropped out of theCHC but the group remained in and had a new head. He added that he hadjust had a request from Carillo to provide his (Carillo) with a thousanddollars; that Carillo had photographic copies of some checks that he hadpaid, to Waldo Frank for propaganda activities against Cuba and thatCarillowaa naking reimbursement but Miro said he didn't consider he hadto give it to CarilleReturning to the budgot, Kiro Said, "There are the various employees;there is the item of trips; there are the military people grouped underthe military commission - I cannot let the suffer risery. There are nostudents on the payroll because they are being supported by you (theAgency). And right there a difference is established between those inthe Council and those who receive money from the Agency directly, whichis more than that received by ry people. See how you (the Agency) with-out intending to, and for reasons of insecurity, are going to destroythe Council." He then stated that he had placed Alvarez Dias, who hadbeen Minister of Finance, in charge of finance matters because he (Miro)could not be everywhere, and to make certain that no expenses were paidon which they were not in agreeront, and which Paula would carry out.I quarried whether Paula would continuo as accountant, and Miro said,"certainly, as accountant." He said that everyone has been coring to him(Mirc) with all kirds of pleas for money and therefore it was nocessaryto have Alvarez Diaz in here so that he and Paula night resolve the financematters. Miro added words of praise for Paulu, "It's like I want to havefor each section of the Council, like I wanted Conte Aguero to handlepropaganda, but since he is receiving money from you (the Agency) hedoesn't want to. I have to have someone to take this load off of re; firstas in Naval affairs, someone to lock for boats, arms, etc."I asked about Festre for propaganda and Miro replied that restre isno good, never was of value; that he had been put in charge of the propa-ganda commission previously and given $48,000 ronthly, but had done nothing.Then he launched into a criticist of the Swan propaganda; that it was ashare, handled by Batistianost Fernandes VARELA, a Catholic, SuaresHernandes, a senator in the epoch of Fatista. He nared another (soundedSECRET
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SECRET-11-like Chau Killer) a bad person and a Batistero. Firo said he had asked that Swan to stopied but, since they work directly, these people are defended. He added wryly that he wished they (the Ager.cy) would defend him (Piro) that way.He said they (the Agency) had posed the proble: five months ago in Plari relative to Joaquin, Jagerio, a Cuhan who was working with the Council and has worked regnificently, but then he accepted work with the C.I.A. and continusa doing this (and do a whatever he leases) - intel- 11,ence, arms, recruiting, etc. - and will have nothing to do with the Cowicil.Again Miro declared that he had the highest regard for Paulo and couldn't desponse with: hir; had even proposed his nare to be the lagistrate of the Tribunal of Accounts in the futuro covercent of Cuba. I added by understardim, that Paulo had done an excellent job, particularly sontioning his handling of paying depender.ta, a reticulous and arduous task. Firo exciaired that he had never considered replacing Paula but poroly needed Alvarez Diaz to handle dotails with Paula. He nold everyone in 11 knows it is Pula who has the porey to rake payments by check, and that he thought it would be better for the people to get pay-rente in cash and sign a receipt; that sometimes sckmore Light rob Paula and then people will auk "from where docs this money core, since the Cubano have no roney,"Then Dr. Miro said he would like to clarify any doubtful questions. I asked whether he had received any other communication from the Encambray group. He replied that he had not, but that the one had core through the Montecristi group and they cortinued to aek hi for this ares aid. I asked whether any changrs or additions had been rade in the Council at the October 10th Leeting. He replied that the FRP had not answered his in- vitation bucause they were working with the Agency, and that the nev group, the Union Revolucionario, had replied that they did not, because they have a dologate in Washington who is seeking direct contact with U.S. Goverrrent Agencies.Miro then declared that in order to call a Council reeting, he had to have a press conference or a press release (about calling a CRC resting) but Prio, ALABA, and everybody vero against all this, and were doubtful whether to come or not to core. "I talked with Conte Aguero and with Ar- reliano many hours. Arreliano is a fuehrer; if things aren't done as he wants, he won't go along. Moreover, he has a strong anti-Anmerican sentiment. I talked to ther, but they said, "No." "There were two proble at their lack of confidence in the Coverrmert, and ry contradictory view that we want to be with then (with. U.S.). I would like to have had to call a Council peeting alrost by force. Therefore I decided to have no meeting and no press conference, and to come here (to New York City). There vaa no session //
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SECRET-12-"The Fastistianos are very well organized and also the Frio followers, waiting for re to do something, and I cannot do anything. I'm like St. Lawrence, roasted on one side and fried on the other."I asked whether the Cow oil was looked upon too ruch as a political entity rather than a unifying medium. Miro replied, "Those people (Prio, Alabau, etc.) want to obstruct the ones who are fightin: Castro through the medium of the Council. They are divided into two greurs: (1) Politicians; Prio, Alonso Pujol; those that wart to be the directors; (2) The groups that want to act within Cuba who don't want to Join CÁC but rather to deal directly with: you neonle in order to have the power tomorrow in Cuba; necple only of action, but not of corzon sense and wo cannot roan much to the future of Cuba; they would cause another eга like that of Fidel, who is rothing but a student. That is extremely dangerous. You give these people the reans and if one of them over-throws Fidel he is the one who assumes power. He ray be a good ran of action but only 24 or 25 years old and not one who can orient Cuba in the way of democracy. After reaching 40, people think differently. Fighters are capable of currying out the action you give them to do, but not to govern,//Dr. Miro continued to dwell on :is concern as to the future if these young fighters are given a free hand to do as they please, that care sust be taken as to who is supported, that those people are the ones who don't want to work with us; that the RP hopes that it will be the ore who will lead tomorrow in Cuba, that caos of the future will be sorething to which you the U.S. has contributed by supporting such clements.Dr. Miro corrented in further detail his views and again hartered on the manner of using funds to avoid being like the ostrich. "Everyone knows where the money is coming from ami o have to be carefnil of the fore. Everyone does not know of you, but of where the help is coming from""We are the politicos of the war against Castre," affirmed ir. Firo. Let a military rar function as chief of staff as long as the zilitary action against Castro continues, but then the civil action rust be carried out by non-military cen,"He added that during the sortening-un action against Castro, Le rust take good care of the ranner in which the action is taken to avoid exposing the .S. support; and that he considered that the collateral, incependent groups were not safeguarding it; so we are losing the now as you (U... Agencies) deal with each of those crours. Arc Le rust not lose, we rust vin.SECRET