Francesco/who-killed-jfk huggingface dataset:
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money not for itself but for prestige. After all, Verges's father was of the founder of the Communist party, Reunion, member of the French Assembly.His brother is the head of the Communist party of *the title* "right now."He grew up in this sort of French Left-wing upper class, which in France is a hereditary Left which goes all the way back to 1848 or before. Some families were extremely distinguished. They really had.And he is in that sort of/ *thing* very much respected, just as you might respect, Flander family. You know that a member of such and such a family obviously must be Left because his grandfather and his greatgrandfather were.(Maspero again)Maspero fits just into that category.(That same Leftist heritage)That's right.(Does he run his operation on a self-sustaining commercial basis)More or less except that for instance he published a book on China recently, which the Chinese subsidized. I suspect that he has received some aid from the Italian Communist party. The Italians look with great favor on him because of his openness, his critical approach, his Anti-Stalinism. Andersson says he got money from the Chinese for this book on China.Verges has tried desperately to smear him with the Chinese, but apparently the Chinese didn't give a damn.(You said that the Trotskyists seem to be moving in on Maspero)Yes.(Would they be giving him any kind of financial aid)I really doubt it. The Trotskyists generally are poor. I don't think so. I think that what it is, is that he is really short of hands, short of manuscripts, short of people who can think and produce something. And here are these Trotskyist-leaning intellectuals who don't have any outlet, so naturally... It's just that he doesn't have any sectarian feelings against them, so more and more tend to come in.(Andre Belge)Never heard of him.(Neither have I in Nigeria)Oh, Imokay is a student. He's no bureau man at all. He was a student at the university of Enuka. He distributed the magazine.He never did anything else.
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He nuver did anything else. Just a student, graduttaxxja he has graduated nov. I think he is working in the government somewhere.((Did he get paid))No- oh yes, he did, he got a commission on subscriptions. He got 30 some subscriptionsfrom students at the university, in one week, as I recall which was unheard of. Just a student, and just be sheer chance he handled the magazine.((Mme. Miichele Mestre))Oh, My, Michele Nestre szansantazkaxx Madame Mestre I don't know anything about. Michel Mestre is one of Maspero's people. I thought it was a man. I've never met hin, don't know anything about him. I know there is a Michel Mestre who has written a number of books on the Congo- for Haspero. Had nothing to do with Verges although Verges did put out feelers to get this person, man or woman, to work for Revolution. He wasn't successful. It was part of his general campaign of leaving Maspero with no authors at all.(Rosalinde Ainslie)She's married., She works for the East German news agency APHS She is obviously connected with the South African Communist party. She is a member of the Congress Alliance in South Africa and she is married to an Indian.She has some children and she lives here in London. She comes from a wealthy family in South Africa, I imagine. She was found by Patricia Magowan Pinheiro to work for Revolution. That flopped, after a short period. They didn't know which way to go, to stick with the Algerians or stick with Verges. The business of the magazine being pro-Chinese by no means was obvious, nor even clear in Verges's mind/ The magazine wasnt pro-Chinese-for an awful long time, It wasn't a question of being pro- Chinese. Certainly not when I was hired. It was Algerian, that was all.((Americans attending subversive sabotage school in Prague))I never heard of a subversive sabotage school in Prague. The Americans (who ware) that I have known going through Prague have gone to Havana.((Between Moscow and Havana en route))Yes. I go don't know anything about a subversive sabotage school. I don't doubt that there might 'bo one. I imagine there's one in Washington too.((I never heard of it. Either one))(Laughs)((Current addresses of some of these people))Well, who do you want? Chên now, has no address. He sleeps around
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everywhere. He literally was sleeping on my floor at one point.If you had told me, I could have brought my book. I gave you people whomI contacted on my trip.HamsaI can give you his- 74 Hassent Roadt London NW 11FALN- they have an office here in London., I don't have much.Mamani, P 35, Plateau Sallorca, 121 Rue Mouridosk,Algiers. I have a bigger address book at home.Ghana((You mentioned Dubois. Do you know very much about his group in Ghana)Dr. Dubois had a number of people around him but he was an elderlyman; he was more interested in producing the African Encyclopoedia thananything else, which he did set up before his death. His wife is nowone of the directors of Ghana television. She is a Ghana citizen, she hasrenounced her American citizenship. There are a number of people who areclose to her or were close to Br. Dubois such as Dr. Alpheus Huntonwho is an American Negro who has written on Africa, washed and works forthe enclyclopoedia, Ghana Institute He was a member of the Communistparty of the US. I think Shirley Graham may have been a member. CertainlyDr. Dubois became a member several years before his death. At the time ofhis death he was extremely pro-Chinese and was very unhappy. His wife,Shirley Graham Dubois, is very pro-Chinese. There is William Gardner Smith,an American Negro writer, who works for Ghana radio and who worked with meat the AgenceFrance Presse in Paris. Smith is close to Shirley Graham,or was. Harfield, There is a girl by the name of Maya Angelou, who wasmarried, still married but separated, to form representative of the PAC,# South Africa, in Accra. He has been removed from his post for misappropria-tion of funds- Musisi Make. Those are the ones that I know of.(Subsidiary question- Hammer and Steel Group ))The Hammer and Steel group in Boston is an alleged Chinese group thatoperates in Boston, former meters of the US Communist Party.After a period of inactivity has suddenly become active and not more thana few days ago, while I was out of the country, without any effort on mybehalf they had my address here and I received two of their publications.Two recent publications, here in London, which were sent to my Londonaddress. So someone here someplace, has sent them ny new address.Very interesting that they should have it. We had an exchange with the Revolution, but I had not kept this up. They have just formed aso-called New England party of Labor which is supposed to be the Chineseparty, Marxist-Leninist party, and is opposed and they give the reasons for
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their opposition to the progressive labor group and to the POC, Provisional Organizing Committee for a new Marxist-Leninist party which was an old pro-Albanian group. Progressive Labor is of course a split-off the Communist party and split off because of the Cuban revolution and civil rights question and so forth. *POC* almost has a large number of Negro and Puerto Rican members, the majority of them. PL has a number of Negro contacts extremely active in the South but has made some serious mistakes. They had people in Monroe, North Carolina, after Williams, taking Williams place they had a white man, which is a ridiculous thing to do. They didn't understand what "black determination" nationalism means.This new Hammer and Steel group, which has been a sort of group without a party, has now announced the formation of this New England Party of Labor which they hope will be the nucleus of a new Chinese Communist Party in the United States. But I don't know anything about them. (sic!!)(Switzerland)How long were you in Lausanne.DecemberFrom March, 1963, to September of '63. Then I used to go back every month.((What contact did you maintain there))With Andersson.((Did you have any American contacts))No. What do you mean- with the American Embassy?((Any Arab contacts))No. Just the people that came in and out of Andersson's place. But I didn't. Being an American I was very much aware of the fact that everybody was suspicious of me. So I made it a point not to bother.((You talked about Drapeau Rouge. Red Flag))(laughing) Who is John Llewellyn Davis! That sounds like something out of- - - The Drapeau Rouge group is a group of young, French students, university and licee students who had been connected with the youth group of the JSU which is the PSU, the Nenni Socialist Party in France. This was their youth group. They were dissatisfied with- - for instance, the Belgian section, Arras. One of the boys had been in Chen's philosophy class in Licee had got in touch with Chen and he had given them advise and helped them to form this group, etc
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or to continuethey entertained the group and it produced a news letter. He had promised then money, they put out one issue, and he never got any money. I heard that they were in contact with the Clichy group down and were seeking some sort of recognition there, and among the things that they had promised they did a self-criticism admitting that they had done wrong to have accepted Kir’s supervision and saying that they will never do this again.((John Llewellyn Davis, you say who the hell is he))Yes.((We talked about Pablof Is this Michael R))He is a member of the Trotskyist IVth International - or was. He has been expelled for his heretical views, not that they all don't have heretical views, but his were extremely pro-Algerian. I think he has become an Algerian citizen. He is Belgian, I believe, or Dutch, but think it is Belgian. He was arrested in Holland. He worked for the FLN during the War, went to Algeria, was arrested in Holland, spent some time in Jail, was released, went to Algiers with his wife and became very active in the Bureau de Biens Vacantes, and then later the Bureau of the Socialist Sector. His mifflumen has been of an ideological nature and he has very close ties with the Yugoslavs, and despite his Trotskyism and he has now been expelled, he is also not at all persons non grata with the Soviets, He has a group called Pabloites.((How did he hit on Pablo))This was his nom de guerre, I suppose.He represented for a while a majority tendency in the international Trotskyist movement. helped by the American SWP Socialist Workers Party. Finally expelled. I don't know the ins and outs of the Trotskyists very much.((When did you first run into him))I heard of him for years. The first time I saw him in the flesh was sitting in a cafe in Algiers. I never had anything to do with him. He used to hang out in a cafe which was right under the offices of Revolution Africaine, which was sort of a center for European Leftists and whatnot. It was called the Cafe((Did he ever have anything to do with Revolution))He made have had something to do with it later with Harbi but not under Verges.((I meant in Europe, not Algiers.))No, no, nothing.
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# (Do you know anything about the formerly dissident PDP of Montreux)The Pro-Chinese Communist party of Switzerland)They've got it wrong. There's only one pro-Chinese Communist party and that's the so-called *Baxter Parti Comuniste Suisse*, started in *Verve*, not Monteaux, *Vevey*, *Nestle's* headquarters. Headed by Gerard Buillard, a small businessman who has become a member of the PLP, that the Compurist Party. Then to Albania last year, summer, as a tourist, and sold the Albanians on the idea of supporting a breakaway Marxist-Leninist party. He came back to Switzerland and with five people formed this Swiss Communist Party, which grew, they often 35 people. Andersson was hostile at first, but when the Chinese took a more benevolent view on it in Berne, he went along, and he may have received some money from the Chinese, I don't know. But we know that he received money from Albania.He became increasingly quarrelsome, he was very much worried about Anderssa becauset Andersson was printing his newspaper, *L'Etincelle*, The Spark. He owned this offset press in Lausanne Anderson also was recruiting people for the group and he has more connections inside the Communist party, the PLP, than Bulliard did, since he had been only a recent member. The Lausanne group became larger than the Verve group. I don't know what happened after that. But then, relations deteriorated rapidly and both the Albanians and the Chinese realized that they had made a drastic mistake.Builliard then phoned the Albanians and the Chinese in Berne and told them that if he didn't receive 3000 francs by a certain time of day that he would denounce Andersson to the police. Obviously, he didn't receive the 3000 francs and he went to the police, Apparently they knew more than Builliard about him. Then he got a delegation and went to the Federal Council, to the Parliament in Berne, and they made an open public request that this foreign agent, this Swedish national, who had taken advantage of Swiss hospitality, be expelled. The Federal Police came in. They banned and there was the gneral blowup. They didn't get very far, except that now it is suspected that he is more or less subsidized by the Swiss police, that he is keeping going and his group, is down to about 15 people, according to Andersson.He obviously has a small amount of money which he is not getting, from the Chinese. He told Andersson, he proposed that Andersson retire from politics, if he would be paid the sum of 5,200 Swiss francs,The reason for this was he wanted to keep the nimeograph machine that he had given him and he was deducting I think he wanted 7,000 francs altogether for his exit from politics.
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but he was willing to deduct the price of the mimeograph machine.He didn't receive that either. No he can't be considered very (important).At one point, to show you how silly he is, he was in contact with Kevin?DELVIN!Delman of Radio Free Europe, in Munich, asking him to organize a meeting for him there. This I found out through the Congress for Cultural Freedom people. with his furniture business and his wine business. He also sells wine. and persons involved in ((Relationship of Revolution with the Leftist review in Great Britain)They didn't particularly agree with the views of Revolution but they were sympathetic neverthess. They are leftis, some inside the Labor Party, people like Belogh, Thomas Batte, one of the economic advisers, very well connected there. They helped us here for a while. Hansa Alavi had friends (among them).Dennis Phombeah also knew the editors, Perry Anderson, Roger Murray, who is now in Ghana, professor Hodgkins of the African Study Sustitute in AccraThere was no connection other than that, sympathetic cooperation.They were willing to help. Their views are quite different. They're not Communists. We weren't Communist either.((They didn't buy space. You just swapped ads))Yes. That's a normal arrangement between magazines. You exchange advertising.((Movement for Colonial Freedom)Movement for Colonial Freedom is the same We got very little real cooperation from Movement for Colonial Freedom. We exchanged ads, they promised to accept subscriptions on our behalf but John Eber, who is the Secretary), was very much afraid that he might lose Algerian support, because Movement for Colonial Freedom depends on getting support from all different African countries, Asian countries, etc.Therefore anything that might be anti-governmental in terms of Algeria he was very much afraid of. He is an ex-Communist. He told me - "What are you doing going around with Phombeah? He has been here with Harbi, the week before you come with him. Which side are they on?" Phombeah walked in just as he was saying this, and overheard it. He was very embarrassed, he had to go on with it. Phombeah said, "I'm just helping all the brothers- -" (laughing) He was hopeless.
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I have both children home now. This is mid-term, so the little boy is out.My exact address Stockley Hall an apartment house on Prince Albert Road, 21-31 engrance. 4th floor.Cannot give definitive answer for some time, would advise- play it reasonably safe, maintain access you have or could reestablish.My problem short range. I need money by next week. I have people who want me to write things. The things about *Revolution*, nobody particularly will care about. That's no embarrassment to anybody.Not even to the Chinese. Andersson said in fact they would be rather pleased with it, if somebody would finally get this off their backs, because they can't say anything at all. I'm committed to write the article for *Encounter*. There's a letter, which is appearing in the current issue of the *China Quarterly*. The question is what to do with the *Atlantic Monthly* people.I've got to arrange something quickly. I didn't expect the situation to crop up quite so quickly as this. It was relatively well taken care of when I left here, with my brother-in-law but my wife has gone and fired up, louced up some things with her brother which makes it extremely difficult. I can probably get some more money, but not very much more out of the *Encounter* people. They have already given me a large sum of money, more than they expected, expected Atlantic Monthly to come through and pick up pocket of it, which they never did. Now it is a question of exchange of letters. So far as *Revolution* concerned, - I can continue this article, but I have the problem of getting money. That should be self-evident.Anyway, I shall try to hold things off. I'm going to try to see if I can arrange somethingas a temporary emergency measure this afternoon. Jif I can and if I'm successful, then everything will be fall right for till the end of next week.(I can let you have $200 this afternoon.)That would certainly be a great. That would be very helpful. That would solve my needs-- Thirty-five pounds. How muchis £35, in dollars?((Under $150.00))That's what, I need. That's what I actually needy Immediately. I take care of that I'm off the hook until next week. Now I've got to go and clear myself with Lasky of *Encounter*. You haven't been in touch with Lasky in any way, have you, with these *Encounter* people?(NO)
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Well, somebody has. Some very strange - you see the Congress for Cultural Freedom are sort of pushing in the background, and I know vaguely that they have the idea that maybe, that I might like to take a job with them in Paris. Personally I'm not terribly keen on some of the things the Congress for Cultural Freedom does. Some things are not too bad, besides the pay. But worse still, my wife would just about blow sky high over the Congress for Cultural Freedom, even though she knows *Chi Quarterly* and *Encounter* were subsidized by the Congress for Cultural Freedom. *Encounter* is no longer. But there has been a lot of hankypank going on between them. Even the letter- I told you about the letter. They did everything possible to try to keep the editor of *Chi Quarterly* to keep from printing the letter, telling him all sorts of reasons, that it would blow my cover completely, and then the money that I got from *Encounter*, Lasky, said well, maybe you won't write anything at all. I don't know, why give me any money at all, send me off to write.((I don't know. You're talking mysteries to me))As I say there are verious people who are hovering around and since I've been back, now here is the truth, he hasn't bothered to really, to find out what I have.((Couple of questions occur to me-- you mention the possibility of going to Paris to work for Congress for Cultural Freddom...Would you also be interested if things worked out, in going back to Algeria)Oh, yes.(To stay)Sure. Certainly. All I need is a proper cover, one that is not that's very hard. The suspicions of these groups are extremely slight. There was a feklow, we haven't mentioned. You've probably heard about Dr. Robert Ramsey who was an American who was in Zanzibar. He's now locked up in jail in Algeria. He may be a Negro although I doubt it. I've never met him. I think that he's white, Member of the NAACP and all sorts of things. I forget what he's a doctor of M.D.He was sending out letters in favor of the Zanzibar revolution.Then he claimed he was expelled from Kenya by sinister forces. He didn't have a US passport. He was here without a passport, For a short time the National Council for Civil Liberties gave him some support and the next thing I knew he was in Algeria. Now what is game is, and whether he is just a crackpot God knows. Everything-Revolution and revoltionary movement brings forth such a bunch of screwballs as one can only see inside
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a madhouse, you know. I(He's now in jail?)Now in jail, in Algeria no charges against him. I understand the US Embassy is trying to get him out (laughing). I don't know whether Dr. Ramsey was actually an agent of some kind, although he had too many confusions to be really a good agent. Yes, too confused. There was too much wrong. In any case, what I found was that people were generally, if you had something to do and didn't live too lavishly, though Africans don't question too much on money. This business of feathering one's nest goes on all over Africa, apparently in Algeria now more than ever.Andersson said there are large transfers of money Algerian francs into Switzerland being bought up by the opposition even still for their own purposes, one day.Yes, Algeria would be fine-- provided I could find some reasonable- any kind of a newspaper assignment, a vaguely Left thing, better than anything else. but the more innocuous the better.(You said once before, you fit well in Algeria, you didn't fit well in Black Africa)I could move throughout Africa, but one has to chart start ones-thing. Forinstance, for me to go to Ghana would create, at this point, innumerable suspicions, but to go to Algeria when I have people like Georges Arnoux who is a very close personal friend, they would welcome me, and try to find something for me to do .That would be easy, to arrange. And from there I have South African friends. With both PAC and ANC and MK, I have very good contacts. Wherever they have offices I can move inside. But one has to have some reasonable sort of thing. On this trip I used some of the Afro-American journals, the magazine (Encounter) which was quite successful in some places.In fact Griffa said, "why don't I have this magazine. They send it to Berges and don't send it to me." Nevertheless with Griffa there was some suspicion. And I had the opinion-- I'm not paranoic and I don't like playing cops and robbers- or go for cloak and dagger stuff, but I had the opinion that somebody was watching me, was following me when I left there, which was one reason why I didn't see all the people I was going to see.I knew some Trotskyists there who (could) give me some stories about Griffa's organization - they're on the fringes of it, etc.- but I just didn't go to see them because I thought that Griffa might have someone watching to see where I was going. He wouldn't like the connection with Trotskyites, anyway.
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((I'll be away. . closed on Monday. Washington's birthday))Oh, my God, is it?((You'll have to buy a cherry pie this week end))The kids know all about the cherry tree.((Can you come on Tuesday))Yes. But my coming in and out of this Embassy is not the best thing in the world. Right over there are the Indonesians, whom I know.Around the corner are the Cubans who know me very well. All it would take is one Cuban to see me walk in here.... I can always concoct a reason but . . I don't know how many people are watching. For one thing, certainly the British Home Office, they've had me under surveillance ever sinceI've been here . There's no doubt about that. I got a tip on that from tim EnnalsMark Bagel of the National Council of Civil Libertiesiac.British may be allies and all, but get all....As far as my wife is concerned, she is by no means a dyed-in-the-wool Communist. She is not a Communist at all, never has been, but she would not like that in the slightest.. . I cantget her to understand. .