Francesco/who-killed-jfk huggingface dataset:
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who were unsatisfied with the reformist tactics the Social democraticDtactics of the EFA and EDAfx youth. He got in contact with the magazinehe wanted material to reproduce in Greek. I suppose he did. I tookone year of Greek and I know nothing of modern Greek, I could just aboutmake out the title.Pierre Valluny(?)is a Canadian Communist who was setting upa thing called *Revolution Quebequoise*. He was dissatisfied with Chartaia.He had been saxs close to Chartain and he was going to be holier thanChartain. He worked for La Presse, which was on strikeSydney NANASINGHE was a Cedonese Trotskyist ia member of the tuathLanka Sama majacommittee of the bakisama Hamaya party before it split. the militant partto 50 more likely 25of it split. He distributed I think 25 copies of *Revolution*, each issue.I understand that his group of the Trotskyists were more pro-Chinesethan the pro-Chinese wing of the Celinese Communist party. He tried to getus to take their magazine in exchange.That covers all of the real addresses that I have.((At this poist let's take stock of you. Is your kid back in school?))Yes.((You're not under pressure))No. Thank the Lord, I've got that off the hook for a little while.22 ((You have largely answered the question- What is the functionof the Advisory Board of Revolution))Nothing more unless it was to give prestigex to the enterprise. Thisis why it keeps growing larger and larger. First it started out as aneditorial board, then he changed the title, to advisory board. then hecalls it permanent collaborators. I don't know why. He claimed thatunder French law you had only exemption from seizure if you were reallyFrench - now I do know what it was- one issue of the magazine vasseized in France. That was No. 7 which had Ho Chi Minh on thecover. It wasn't seized for Ho Chi Minh but because of an article onReunion and the French West Indies. It was a platonic seizure, more in thevay of a warning. The seizure order came down after the matazine had beendistributed. There were virtually no copies picked up-. Undistributedand returned copies were seized but the money wasn't seized. That's aboutthe nicest way you can seize a magazine. It was a warning. And he feltthat an editorial board made af up of foreigners didn't give him enoughprotection in France. That was the reason for changingx to permanentcollaboration.
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They certainly are quite active. For instance, the Colombian I mentioned-I still can't think of his name-- but his daughter was put in an Albanian school. Poor girl, about eleven years old, and she didn't know a word of Albanian and most of the Albanians didn't know Spanish. She has managed to suffer through a year of it. 8 It is very interesting to talk to this little girl, now about 12, she was in Cuba, where you might think of the revolution as extremely informal lax in many ways easy-going. It's a libertarian type of revolution. Certainly it hasn't had the puritannical type of after-period that one finds in most revolutions, certainly ba and thess-the-puritans in China which proves a great obstacle for the Africans who go there. They are virtually unable to keep African students because of the fact that there is no sex. They used to let then go to HongKong and they would all come back with syphilis and gonorrhea to the great disgust of the Chinese. This girl, who seemed to tisk like Cuba, in Albania was shocked by the degree of formality of relationships and for instance she said that at the beaches in Cuba all the beaches were open, anybody can t go to the beach. In Albania they have, as I suppose you find in many Communist countries, high officials, middle officials, low officials and then just plain working people. (21This to her was (shocking). The wasn't aware of politics as such and that is what made talking to her so interesting.((What do you think of Cuba nowadays?))I know one thing, that the PSC has virtually been defeated in every way, the old Communists. I was very much involved, obviously, the Cubans who were my friends xaxe Communists. I suppose that one of the things that made the Cuban revolution attractive was that it wasn't doctrinaire.For Americans, college students, the young people, it after all of the years of disenchantment about revolution as such, the Cuban revolution looked like a romantic thing. It was extravagant. All these bearded fellows coming out of the mountains, and anyone who went to Cuba coulnd't help but feel the contagion.nf((I think there was a sympathetic feeling within the States because it was not alien to our own revolutionary background, the idea of little menhiding behind trees shooting at the Redcoats.))Eight. Only they were shooting at Batista's troops who were armed by the United States. This is one of the things that many Americans are unable to realize, how deeply involved the US is with these military regimes.It has obviously been exploited fromtheer point of view, but from the popular imagination, we just don't think of it.
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# The Fidelista youth were not Marxist. They are more so today thanthey were before, but they have had this experience of dealing with theUnited States - I have had a lot of arguments with them about it.For instance when they came to the United States ini- 48 March of 59,you remember, Felipe Pasos (?) came, Fidel went to Washington and he weatto New York and it was extraordinarly badly handled. Christian Herterwouldn't see him at the State Department. He insisted on taking a hotelsuite, rather than do that. Certainly it wasn't an official visit buta lot of people have gone to Washington xxx. Then it was a questionof whether the Cubans wanted money or not. The Cubans claimed,. . that they asked for $3,000,000 on short term credit, just a stop-gap    and that this was turned down cold. until they made some guarantees    about American property. From that point on I think that their attitude    towards the United States was one of expecting, looking for the worst.    They were able to work out a few arrangements with axfax Americancompanies    concerning take-over. Each time, they were vetoed by the State Department    or someone else, who said don't go into this, because we want to have a    solid front, no one should make an agreement with them otherwise.    It was provocation and counterprovocation. They would do something    then there would be American xxtinn reaction, then a Cuban counterreaction    until it was real escalation, diplomatically, to the point at which it    fell completely into the hands of the Russians. That could have been    short-circuited and prevented. They really are not happy where they are    now. They want some independence, of oven the Soviet Union. Ideologically    they are not very happy with the Russians. They have managed though to    maintain incredible independence, not signing the nuclear test ban agreement,    they have never made any anti-Chinese statements at all, though Fidel    came very close-- he did in one of the statments where Kruschev mentioned    peaceful coexistence, and said that there had never been disagreement    with the Russians over the missiles .xxxxxxxx In actual fact they were    boiling. They were furious about the missile business. This left a bad    taste in their mouths. The Escalante business, you know the president    of the old & PSC was going to take over and create a faction which would    displace the romantic revolutionaries, if you will. It failed but that    didn't mean that Carlos Rafael Rodriguez and more capable technocrats    inside the party didn't continue. They failed. Now Carlos Rafael who    had the highest place of the old Communists is out as you know. And almost    all of then went out at this point.
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I am always struck by - Grippa said, for intance, of Guillermo Cabrera Infante, the Cuban Cultural Attache in Brussels, whom I know very well, that: "he's an anti-Communist". Which is true. He is a nationalist. That's all. And that's the one thing that keeps him there. But he and many of the people like Carlos Franqui and around Carlos Franqui and Haidee Santamaria. her husband, who is the Minister of Education, thoy are liberal, in their views about the arts, they are non-dogmatic, non-doctrinaire, Leftist if you will, but Leftist by situation and circumstance,They represent, if there is anyone in Washington who still has a sober about Cuba and mind/who is not completely filled with venom/or - and/frustration- about Cuba, they would, I think, represent the real hope of reaching a *modus vivendi* in the future. They are the real heirs, I think, the peoplewho will take over. I do not think the PSC can do it. They have the mass support in the country behind them. It is always said, that If anything ever happens to Fidel and the slightest suspicion that it was done by a communist, there wouldn't be a Communist left alive in the Island in about five hours. These were many people who felt that the Communists would have liked to do this. At one time it became almost a hysterical rumor spread around that the Communists wanted to kill Fidel.The bitterness that I found against the old Communists was because they were compromised with Batista. Even now, this explains their pro-Chinese stand. But that can't go very far, either. Because they are not doctrinaire. The Chinese have been extremely flexible in dealing with Cuba - they can't offer them very much - and they can't push them, so they have been easy-going. The handling of the October crisis between the Russians and the United States when they got kiex together over the heads of the Cubans, was an insult. Being a small country and semi-colonial, it was a colony, it has an exaggerated sense of its national rights. This was, in terms of Cuba, sot the worldxxbaixafxxx, situation in general, for the *penapis*. it was the only way to solve the October question, it seemed to be the only way, but in the terms of Cuba that was one of the grave mistakes of the Russians. The way the handled it. They didn't seem to soften the blow for the Cubans.((They're very sensistive people.))Right. And they've never forgotten it. They have nourished lots of hopes about DeGaulle and the possibility of trade with France. Trade is increasing, but they've tried desperately to get DEGaulle to visit Cuba which he wouldn't do. He would do lots of things against Washington, but there are certain limits (laughing), and that's one of them.
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#I know that's one of the things in back of their minds, in Paris.about,Every French delegation to Havana, even one just recently, I heard thatFidel went around sayings- why doesn't De Gaulle come and visit us.xThere is a Gaullist group, France -Cuba (?) , not the Commsunist,butthere is a Communist organization, There is also one inside of theconcerned with Cubagovernment party and they have made recommendations for increasing trade.One of the things also encouraged is the increase of Spanish trade.Ironically one of the heroes of Cuba is Franco, because he continuedand th you know when we go to Madrid, there is always trouble on the mental revolutiontrade"I have a feeling that the Spanishattitude has some influence on the French. I would imagine that they hopethat eventually this will be communicated to the West Germans.Cuba certainly, I feel, if they did have sxekatsex diversification oftrade and an opening horizon because so many problems with the United government orStates become emotional problems that no matter what the head of theState wants to do, you've got the problem of how to put it before theCongress and public opinnon, which has been so sensitized to it that thisis the problem of American statesmanship that you don't have in any otherplaces. De Gaulle but even he wouldn't go beyond a certainpoint.Another thing, Algeria. Probably only DeGaulle cold have reached asettlement.i((In two minutes, that's your prognosis for future Duh US-Cubanrelations.))It depends *very* much on the United States. I think, I know, there areelements in Cuba who are more than willing. But they don't want to bepushed. The trouble is that when a Cuban talks to America, the next questionis "when are you going to get rid of the Red regime," or something like thatThat is the end of dix the dialogue. I would inxgain*x*xx imagine that itwould have to be through talks. I understand this is one thing thatthisCuban-Carlos Moore, the Afro-Cuban boy who is extremely anti-revolutionary-he says he wants a real revolution. He worked in the Foreign MinistryWhat heat one time. He used to claim that Dorticos and pups people aroundwasDorticos are very very anxious for a rapprochement with the United States.That they would love to have contact. I certainly know that Dr. Roa, ForeignMinister, wanted somehow to have contacts, more direct contacts. He hashad a problem too, that in public he couldn't say anything, and wheneverhe was in New York he was boxed in.ż((I don't want to start a debate but you say that the -- when are yougoing to get rid of the Red regime-- this is the a reflection of the
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Similarly, isn't sensitivity that you spoke about. Zsaźzzzeażży the Cuban population sensitized in such fashion as to come up with a comparably provocative and xxd dialogue-ending remark.))It seems a little bit less. One of the problems is that of Cubad immigration. There isn't in Cuba, to the best of my knowledge, a broad anti-Americanism. Always in even in Fidel's speeches, he makes a distinction between the American government and the American people. Than There is a very open nuance about the Cuban counter-revolutionaries. They may be counter-revolutionaries but they also happen to be uncles, cousins, nephews, and almost everybody has some one among them, from Fidel on down.((The exiles in Miami and elsewhere))That's right. They are relatives. Just as the treatment for instance of the people at the Bay of Pigs- which was extraordinary. In many countries they would have been in our country, they would have taken them all out and shot them. There they weren't albowed to beat them; they said they "had been misled" and so forth. This wasn't really for propaganda, this was a feeling. I have seen it happen over and over againThey might shoot someone. They did, they shot three people, a Batista sergeant and some others. It was an incredible gaffe thx*xxxxwid to include among these people an old Batista torturer. He was shot and protected.I have been told by people who have been there recently that you have only to say that you are an American to get a sympathetic audience around you immediately. People want to discuss with you, why did they do this, that. You see they can hear Miani. They listen to the American radio all the time, and they listen to radio SWAN. I heard Radio SWAN in Cuba. Radio SWAN MASxA was a CIA radio operated off of Swan Island off of Nicaragua and island which is claimed by Nicaragua but in actual fact is possessed by the United States (laughing). The Nicaraguans have never been able to persuade us to leave. We just have some sailors on it. They built this enormous sadio which broadcast to Cuba. It wasn't an official radio. It was called Radio SWAN. It was a CIA operation. It was so crude, it was really pathetic, the type of thing-- people are starving, that type of thing. Now this was directed at Cuba and when you have propaganda like that - it is very little that can be confirmed. You say people are starving, and they are able to go out andbuy something. There was a lot of racist material in there about Congolese troops stationed in Central Cuba. There were no Congolese troops. This short of attitude came out later. During the time of the Bay of Pigs operation thefthe press releases vare incradth
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going to be Machiavellian, my God you don't do it like that, you know. The best propaganda is the one that comes closest to the truth, that just slightly goes off, you don't have to push the point.In any case, I do feel that there are an enormous number of people in Cuba and inside of the government, particularly among the old 26th of July Kaxanaxx people, who would be - they don't want to make a capitulation to the United States. They want an independent government. They would like trade. They would like to get out of the dependence on the Soviet Union such as it is. They have managed to keep from being swallowed up by the Russians just by enormous effort on their part.Do you think that both sides have committed themselves so far that it is impossible to have any kind of rapprochement or normalization of relations without a feeling that one side or the other or both, had been forced to capitulate? I don't think it's true any more. To a certain extent recent months brought a sort of cooling down in Cuban'-American relations, though there have been continued charges about Venezuela, and it is certainly true that the Cubans were encouraging the Venezuelan FALN. They certainly gave financial support not so much in the way of arms, I think, but money, and in a guerrilla campaign you get your arms anyway from the police and the army, from the army that'ssurrounds you. That's the easiest way.I have the feeling, nevertheless, that the Cubans are somewhat disappointed, disillusioned, about their ability to agitate these revolutionary groups elsewhere in Latin America, their ability to carry any effective revolution, just as the Alliance of for Progress has proved to be a great disappointment to many people in Washington so has the Cuban open solidarity with other, almost any, revolutionary movement in Latin America, proved a disappointment.On the other hand, the Cubans are not going to issue a statement saying that we will not export revolution. Certainly the first yearsof the (Cuban) revolution, they did some extremely insane things, with expedition to Haiti, expedition to Santo Domingo, expedition to Panama, remember, and they had to send people in to Panama to get them to surrender. The people in Santo Domingo were just slaughtered. In Haiti they were slaugtered also.
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((Probably got them by Black magic in Haiti))A messy situation. On the other hand, every once in a while Duvalier makes overtures. He's not beyond anything.Well, if you want to get in touch with me again, you have only to give me a call. I don't imagine that anything much will happen. If I'm not there just say that Earl called, or something like that. But do avoid giving this address or telephone number. I imagine with my wife working now for the TunisignsIndonesians((It would be someone else answering))me.It would be thaxmatex I dont think I'm quite going to set up shop down Leo Labedz Company Rightslaway.((Again, I do appreciate your cooperation))No. Thank you.
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# DISPATCHCLASSIFICATIONSECRETPROCESSINGTOChief, VBINFOChief of Station, LCPIPIT;Chief, KUWOLF: Chief, KUDESK: Chief, FEFROMChief of Station, LondonSUBJECT LCHARVEST/KUDESK/MHSFAWN Revolution Mailing ListACTION REQUIRED REFERENCES1.  Transmitted herewith is one copy of the cards that constitute the mailing list for Revolution. These were borrowed from Richard GIBSON and copied in the station. GIBSON's wife, who compiled the cards and was responsible for distribution of Revolution (and to whom, therefore, they more properly belong) is not aware that GIBSON has "loaned" the cards out. They were returned to GIBSON's flat the same day he brought them in for copying.2.  We have not made any attempt to count them. There are several thousand. A few comments will be in order about some of the marks and notations that appear on the cards.3.  One general category is "Promotional". The first bunch of sheets - about twenty, it appears - are in this category. They are marked "Promotional" or "PR". These were sent out gratis either to induce publicity, or to encourage new subscribers, or to make friends happy. (Presumably, Robert WILLIAMS and several others are in this category).4.  Thereafter, the cards run in categories of one sort or another, with given countries generally lumped together. Those where the address was obviously stapled onto a card are some of those that were taken from Frene GINWALA's Spearhead mailing list. Some are marked "ex-Spearhead"; which means that the name came from the Spearhead list, and the person subsequently subscribed on his own, after a little promotional treatment.5.  The coded symbols, unfortunately, GIBSON could not explain, since this was his wife's territory, rather than his own. The first set of letters obviously refers to the country (e.g.,UK/). Other numbers and letters are not clear. The name that appears apart from the name of the subscriber usually indicates who arranged the subscription (this may be an agent, or something like a gift subscription). For instance, S. V. LEE is Sheldon LEE, who handles![photo of dispatch showing classification and processing details]![photo showing date and dispatch number]latt.
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CONTINUATION OFDISPATCHSECRETOKLA-42,604some subscriptions. Expiration dates are obvious. "Private"merely means that someone ordered a subscription directly,himself, rather than through an agency.6. Any further questions relating to the list can be   included in any subsequent contacts with GIBSON: if they merit   inclusion, and if it seems likely that he will know the answers.7. We note that the list's accuracy cannot be guaranteed,   especially after the time when the GIBSON's parted ways with   Jacques VERGES.8. At some time, the SMOOTHERS may ask us for this list.   We would appreciate being advised as to whether Headquarters   would like us to acknowledge having it.George H. KATZENBACHAttachments:HerewithDistributionsChief, WE w/att h/v2-COS, LCPIPIT w/o att2-Chief, KUWOLF w/o att2-Chief, KUDESK w/o att2-Chief, FE w/o att