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Mr. Arvaluk (interpretation): The District Education Authority, if they’re going to be participating then you have to let the other communities know that we are in the planning stage of designing, will you let them know what you would like to see within that building.
Is that what you do?
Yes. The District Education Authority usually spearheads the design and we’ll reassure them again that they can participate in the design of the building.
Kivalliq. Total. Kivalliq. $ 11 million 953 thousand.
Opposite page, Kitikmeot Region 9-8.
I have a question, first of all to you, Mr. Chairman.
If we can go to Appendix C-21 in regards to Kitikmeot list of capitals.
Chairperson (interpretation): Yes you can raise questions.
The capital estimates for 2003-2004 and up to 2008.
Looking at the breakdown, first of all I’d like to thank Lorne Levy and the planner.
They were in Gjoa Haven this past summer.
I’m using Gjoa Haven as an example.
For the other school it has no gym, no kitchen.
What they usually do is they have to go to the other school in order to utilize those facilities.
This causes problems amongst the teachers because there’s lack of space for one school and it creates problems for the students and the teachers.
Sometimes they end up arguing because there’s only one facility so I’d like to ask the minister if, because we’re looking at 8 years.
2007-2008 if they’re planning to be completed; we’re at 2002-2003.
When you look after the whole education in Nunavut it’s shocking to see that it’s going to take a long time to complete those.
Right now they’re encountering those problems.
We’ll be getting more students and they’ll be growing up.
Why is that so far away; the target date?
Don’t you find that kind of long for that target date to be 2008?
Because in the meantime we’ll be getting more students and they’ll be growing up, because presently they’re lacking those facilities anyway.
I guess it’s normal.
Yes, as I said we have to look at the numbers of the students, minimum number of students.
They have not reached the number of students that would be considered dangerous as they have not reached the limit yet.
What I’m trying to say is there’s only one gymnasium in that school and teachers like, a teacher wants to use that gymnasium at first and than the other ones says, we had it reserved for that same time, they reserve their space for, they’re going to keep on reserving it for another eight years.
Isn’t it going to create animosity amongst the teachers?
The reason it’s okay that way at this time, there’s only about 180 students in that school, in Quqshuun Ilihakvik school and there’s a minimum of 246 students.
So for the eight years, not for eight years, it’s only for five year period that is planned because it’s not going to increase the number of students in that five year period.
Okay, if you think its okay, I’ll go along with you.
Under Kitikmeot region, it’s says that in the Kitikmeot hospital, in 2002/2003 they have $210 thousand for NAC student accommodation and there will be another $2 million in 2003-2004 and again in 2004/2005 another $2 million.
Is it because of safety, is that why it is there?
Do they really have to get that student accommodation?
It’s just says the hospital replacement under NAC.
I’m sorry Mr. Chairman under Cambridge Bay, Kitikmeot region the Inuktitut part is, there’s a mistake under NAC it’s Nunavut Arctic College not the hospital, but it says hospital in Inuktitut.
I’m sorry Mr. Chairman the Inuktitut syllabics there’s a mistake on there it says hospital, instead of Nunavut Arctic College because there is symbol missing and it says hospital.
Mr. Puqiqnak (interpretation): Mr. Chairman, I’m not trying to put down the people in the Kitikmeot but I want to help my people in the Kitikmeot region but I don’t understand Nunavut Arctic College accommodation, is it in a dangerous state now?
Does it need to be built?
Do you really have to build in the accommodation of the students, because there are other priorities besides student accommodations?
Don’t they take priority, the schools?
Just before he responds to that I would like to make a motion to finish the Department of Education and when we finish that we can adjourn even if it’s after 6:00.
So we will try to finish the Department of Education’s Capital Estimates.
Mr. Puqiqnak (interpretation): My question is, it’s not quite six o’clock yet.
And we have to complete the Department of Education.
My question was I’m not trying to put down the people of the Kitikmeot communities.
I know I have to help them but in Cambridge Bay, in 2003/2004, and 2002/2003, and then 2004-2008, there’s some funding allocated for Nunavut Arctic College student accommodation.
Does the student accommodation take priority?
Do they really need to build student accommodation in Cambridge Bay?
I’m just wondering why that takes priority?
The people, as I said last year, we have to include Nunavut Arctic College when we plan our Capital Estimates.
And the students at Nunavut Arctic College really wanted accommodation because there’s people that want to go to school in the Kitikmeot Region.
They were sent back to their communities because of the lack of accommodation, so this is one of the priorities that they requested.
That is why we have to build accommodation.
Under Cambridge Bay, it’s got the hospital accommodation.
I would like to talk about the $2 million 250 thousand dollars, because in Inuktitut the information is wrong.
Why does it say hospital instead of Nunavut Arctic College?
Why do they have to replace the hospital accommodation?
That is what I wanted to ask.
Mr. Arvaluk (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I agree with my colleague.
Even with the error, if that amount is okay and if it is clear what it is for it is not breaking any rules.
That’s what I wanted to correct.
I don’t have any other comments.
But there’s a typo and I’d like to delete it.
Can I ask I question?
Do we all agree that we are going to deal with important papers such as the capital estimates with the wrong information on them?
Chairperson (interpretation): There’s already clarification there that there’s just a typo on there.
We are under Education.
Mr. Nutarak (interpretation): I would like to ask the Minister if he’s going to have that typo corrected before we agree to these.
Yes, if I understand properly, just before we complete today, or afterwards, it’s just a typo in syllabics and I apologize but perhaps if he can make his question clear.
Mr. Nutarak (interpretation): We are dealing with Capital Estimates for the Department of Education in one book.
Before we complete the whole book of Capital Estimates can he correct that?
When we have another session we will have it corrected.
I want to talk about some issues in regards to Kitikmeot as well my constituents in Kugluktuk.
As I stated earlier, the students from the elementary schools who are moving on to high school, just to raise a concern on that because the high schools are beginning to get filled up.
How will we address the need for larger high schools?
How do you solve the problem when there is lack of space in the high school in certain communities?
I have heard and I was visiting the high school in Kugluktuk and the principal raised the concern that the high school will start to get smaller because there would be more students involved in the future.
Perhaps before the next Capital Estimates in the next year it would be possible to try and solve this problem of over crowding.
In the member’s constituency looking at the number of students and the maximum amount of students that it could reach, they have not reached that critical amount in that community yet.
The number of students that we heard does not require the class or school to be bigger.
Mr. Havioyak: Okay then, he might be right maybe it’s just an update for me.
How long ago was it when you got those numbers that you had there?
When did you get the information that you have in front of you?
The reason why I’m asking, I just met with them last week and one half ago about and it might be a concern in the very near future.
So maybe we have two different pieces of information from the department, in the region, I don’t know.
I’m just trying to get a feel of where we’re at here Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
I think it was just a little while ago I think it was just a month that we spoke with them.
Mr. Havioyak: Well what I have is more recent than what you have when you say this month.
Mine was about a week and a half ago. But to me, what they are telling me is that there will be some over crowding in the high school because the elementary students will be moving to the high school so they are worried about that.
That’s why I’m trying to point this out to you now, maybe to get a true fix before it happens next year.
So, maybe it should be looked at very closely right now and get that current information.
Hon. Peter Kilabuk: Yes, Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
The reason why we are, like I said earlier, Mr. Chairman, the priorities that we’re working from is the direct result of the current utilization of safety and health standards that we have before the concerns of my colleague from Kugluktuk, we have many schools that are well over 100% utilization of the existing schools.
With that so, if we were to prepare for my colleague, schools with that over 7 %, then we have on top of our list the current utilization of 168%.
So there’s a significant difference in the utilization in different schools in different parts of Nunavut.
I’m glad to say that we are addressing the community with 168% utilization through our capital plan.
I would also have to say C 21 has to be corrected because there’s a typo in there as well.
I think it’s two times that we have seen typos in the syllabics for the estimates.
Maybe we have to try to make sure that the Inuktitut is read by each minister to ensure that the syllabics are corrected.
Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask a question.
Just before we agree to those Capital Estimates, we will agree with it right now and then have that corrected.
Can we report progress at this time?
Chairperson (interpretation): We already had a motion to continue until we’re finished with the Department of Education’s Capital Estimates.
The minister stated he would correct the syllabics or the typos under Cambridge Bay, under Nunavut Arctic College student accommodation.
We already agreed to the motion that was put to us earlier on to complete the Department of Education and to continue until we are finished with it.
If you have any questions, Mr. Iqaqrialu, you can ask?
Yes we all know, too, exactly what this funding is for and which community it’s geared for.
It’s for Nunavut Arctic College student accommodation and everybody knows that even though there’s a typo in syllabics.
We shouldn’t use it to delay the discussions here.
Chairperson (interpretation): Yes, I already mentioned that.
Anymore questions for that page.
Going back to that same page, 9-8, Kitikmeot Region.
Total Kitikmeot, $4 million 573 thousand dollars.
Just a short question Mr. Chairman.
Under Cambridge Bay, is there a 5 year capital plan there whereby the student accommodations are planned for a 5 year period or just for one year?
Chairperson (interpretation): Yes, I’m sorry I didn’t see your hand up Ms. Williams.
I’m sorry, I apologize.
For the Cambridge Bay, it’s in the Capital Estimates.
Ms. Williams: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My question was, was that Item was in the 5 year capital plan?
It’s coming from the 5 year capital plan so it’s incorporated in there.
The reason why I asked that question is because for the Qikiqtarjuaq School plan there is always a plan for Qikiqtarjuaq and then it’s deleted.
What I’m thinking about is that, there are students from Arctic College do have rooms at the hotels but the students just don’t have room.
So, I just wanted to get that clarification.
Mr. Iqaqrialu (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman and I also would like to thank the member for Quttiktuq for clarifying the matter.
We have been planning for 2 years for the extension of our school but just last year we started deliberations on Cambridge Bay and now Cambridge Bay is also getting another one instantly. Last year they got another planning project, our community has been planning for the past 2 years, and there is nothing in our capital estimates, up to 2008.
I am not very pleased about that.
I think it’s time that we should reconsider this because some communities are getting more projects than the other communities and some other communities never receive any projects.
Last year we allocated $14 million dollars to Cambridge Bay and now were allocating $2 million dollars again while the other communities are not receiving any projects or capital estimates.
I was wondering if your department can make better plans to make sure the capital estimates are spread out equally to all the communities.
Just to clarify in regards to Qikiqtarjuaq request and also capital plan estimates.
Ever since Nunavut was created, we’ve never had a 5 year capital plan and he said that that project was never included in the 5 year capital plan to date. But one thing I remember very clearly, I remember speaking to the member here in regards to the issue he was speaking about and also I have stated to him in regards to his concern and I told him that we know about his concerns and my officials know about his concerns that community has.
But in today’s capital estimates to date, I just want to clarify to the member that it never included that community in the 5 year capital plan.
Mr. Iqaqrialu (interpretation): After having discussions with you, you never incorporated their project into the capital plans?
The communities, we would like to work closer with the communities in regards to their requests and their concerns and we would like to address their concerns, if they have that kind of concern. Also my colleagues are aware of all the concerns and they relay the concerns to our department - on top of the members representing their communities. The communities themselves keep close consultation with those to make sure where we’re at, and also as I have mentioned before there was no capital plan item for the Qikiqtarjuaq School.
As we both know the minister and I have had at numerous times had discussions about this and we’ve had a number of correspondence in regards to this.
For the Cambridge Bay request when did the NAC student accommodation come up? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
I have heard ever since Nunavut was created, they have been requesting the student accommodations since then.
Since they have been requesting this item, as we’ve been requesting our item all along, why has ours not been incorporated into the capital plans?
My responses will be very clear. Because of the priority list we’ve been working on this kind of thing for three years. We’ve been working the priority list for the past three years, so that’s why it’s there.
Cambridge Bay allocations if the funding is inadequate for Cambridge Bay perhaps they can reallocate it to Qikiqtarjuaq.
Nunavut Arctic College board of governors have identified the need and this is for the whole of Nunavut.
This is going to be utilised for all of Nunavut.
If we’re going to change it to Qikiqtarjuaq, it’s impossible because of the priority listing and we have to follow the estimates that we had agreed to. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Chairperson (interpretation): Any further questions, Mr. Iqaqrialu.
Mr. Iqaqrialu (interpretation): Last one, I would like to thank the minister, because I still have many opportunities to speak about Qikiqtarjuaq, so therefore I just want to thank the minister.
On the Cambridge Bay Nunavut Arctic College students' accommodations; when I was there in 1999, or early in 2000, we did a tour of the current facilities over there and they were awful.
We were all there, and they're horrendous, you know and I’m glad finally something’s in the plan for Nunavut Arctic College in Cambridge Bay. It’s a regional issue, it’s just not for Cambridge Bay, it’s all of Nunavut, programs over there, and people from Nunavut can apply for it.
And the issue of the Nunavut Arctic College residence in Cambridge Bay, I think it’s finally been addressed. It’s been on the plan for seven or eight years and when I was in Cambridge Bay, when we were learning to be MLAs, we were listening to the students say how poor the accommodations were over there. There were two students from, I think somewhere in the Baffin, taking a social worker course and I remember them saying how poor the accommodations were
So, I’m finally glad to see half decent accommodations being planned for Cambridge Bay and for Kitikmeot Region and also for the Nunavut Region.
And I know money’s tight.
And we need more of it.
There’s a tremendous shortage of student’s facilities here.
My constituents just lately were coming over here to go to school and accommodations are almost impossible to find.
I’m getting to my questions here.
In Rankin Inlet, again, a couple of my constituents are down there to take the Business Management Course and they had to leave their families behind.
Is there any long term planning?
My question to the minister, is there any long term planning on Nunavut Arctic College facilities for Iqaluit, and for Rankin Inlet also?
Yes there is a long term plan.
Does this include married accommodations, single accommodations; the whole issue here?
People don’t have to leave their families three thousand miles away when they come to a place.
So, when you’re doing your strategic planning with Nunavut Arctic College, you are planning for married facilities, single facilities, just generally all kinds of facilities?
The plans that we have include everyone for everything, for families, and for singles.
We have been working with the Board of Governors from all the regions to review what the needs are.
When the queen was here last month, when were here to make a presentation, I brought one of my constituents over as an escort.
He went to high school here in the early 80s.
He stayed at that residence out there.
I forget the name of it, but the big green building.
He was really excited about coming back to Iqaluit.
I said you have to stay in the residence because there are no hotels left.
He stayed there and I went over to visit him.
He was saying that the building hasn’t changed in 22 years.
It’s not bad but it still isn’t good.
It was good years ago.
It was a lot better than most houses but times have changed.
Are there any plans in the works to renovate that building and bring it up to new standards within the next few years?
There’s going to be more of an influx into this community than most.
You’re going to get an influx into Cambridge Bay.
You’re going to get more of an influx into Rankin Inlet but here you’re going to have more of an influx because of the programs that you’re running.
Are there any plans to fix that building up in the future?
Quite a while back, maybe I’m making it sound like a long time ago.
But when there was the Arctic Winter Games, the old Ukiivik Residence was renovated.
Part of it was renovated.
They put new carpeting and restructured some of the areas.
To date, the old Ukiivik Residence is not a priority in our planning stages.
If you look at the whole of Nunavut, there are a lot of priorities that are more urgent.
I’m trying to keep this short.
But this is the capital of the territory whether some of us like it or not.
The fact of the matter is, whether we like it or not, more people are going to come here to go to school because you’re running more programs.
This is not like the south where we have an abundance of private homes that people rent rooms from.
The fact of the matter is if you go into this market in Iqaluit today, any community, probably ninety percent of them and try to rent a place to live; it’s almost an impossibility.
We’re trying.
The government’s trying it’s best to provide housing for everybody.
But our issue now is social housing and government staff housing.
The fact of the matter is if someone wants to come from a community and go to school over here on their own it’s impossible.
The government can’t and the private market out there is impossible to.
If a private market says okay I’m going to build twenty apartments for students to stay in and the government subsidizes those apartments and living accommodations it’s going to cost probably 2 or 3 times more than if the government went and built their own accommodations like they do in universities in the south where they have residences on campus.
So there’s a cost savings.
I think the government has to provide the role of providing living accommodations for students when they come in here to go to school.
So what I’m saying to you is that there is going to be more of a need for us to provide residences and accommodations for any kind of student in Nunavut and even in the capital.
So I’m hoping that, I know money is tight and just because I’ve seen a little tiny bit of money being spent in Cambridge Bay for the Kitikmeot Region.
I think it’s time to look at that old residence that students stay in.
It’s time to upgrade it.
When people come in from out of town you want them to have a happy place to stay in, not just jammed in like cattle.
That’s all my comments.
That was just a comment more than a question, Mr. Chairman.
That’s all I have to say.
Mr. Arvaluk (interpretation): Some of the comments that I wanted to make have been voiced already by my colleague from Baker Lake so I’ll just follow up on some of the other issues.
For some of us we have noticed that the Arctic College students, I do know that there are private companies and so on out there who make contributions.
But the Arctic College programs are open to the residents of Nunavut and they advertise through Nunatsiaq News and through other media to attract students who might want to take on some of these programs.
But if a student has a wife or a husband and children they’re automatically not eligible because they don’t have any accommodations for family.
And even though we say that education is a priority for Nunavut we do come across those situations.
I think there definitely has to be a review done on what options there are for students who want to continue their education.
The situation today, we have twenty two million dollars that we use for social assistance.
We’ll spend a portion of this money for continuing education.
I think that we’ll have to come to a balance here somewhere.
If we’re not going to educate because we don’t have accommodations then we’ll have to balance it somewhere else and reallocate those funds to another program so that people become more self-sufficient in another way.
I’m talking especially about the young couples who have not completed their grade twelve but are now realizing that they need an education in order to get a job and in order to be productive.
We’re talking about young families who are trying to provide for themselves.
We as a government will have to give our support for those young families who have not completed their high school.
There are thousands of them out there and they’re not going to get anywhere without going into college or university.
We should be concentrating on the people wanting to get back into the education system.
There are not enough government accommodations to house those students.
I hear the same comments coming from the last two speakers.
And I’m pleased that they are concerned about accommodating students.
For the information of the members, there is the Board of Governors who we work with today to prioritise the capital needs.
The Board of Governors know exactly how many they need in each region.
They know how much accommodation is required to house the students.
In the three regions, all three regions priority is accommodation for family type students.
That is the same priority that was raised by the three regions but I would like to remind the Members of the Legislative Assembly that we are going to be working closely together and I have said it repeatedly here in the House that we are now working closely with the Nunavut Arctic College staff and other departments.
I’m just trying to balance the situation here.
My colleagues were very eloquent in voicing their concerns and views.