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The plans are very helpful and they will be reviewed by the consultant.
But we also want to look at cost sharing if we can.
If we could cost share with the Federal Government it would be a lot easier for us to finance any projects, along with potential O&M operations.
So it would be easier for Nunavummiut to absorb the costs of operating the facilities.
So if we could make it a joint facility, holding both territorial and federal inmates it would be a lot more cost efficient for the territory as a whole.
So we want to review that, along with the plans that have been put forward by the communities.
But, I look forward to reporting back on the progress, before the next fiscal year.
Mr. Havioyak: That's excellent clarification because the communities have expressed interest.
It's very important that we look at this very closely I guess, to make a good plan.
I always say, just because an individual committed a crime, it doesn't mean we can't rehabilitate them.
We want to make sure there are tools in that place to make sure they get the services they need, in the areas like you said here, focusing on healing.
So that's good to hear.
Just one more thing I just wanted to ask a question on is the outpost camps.
The outpost camp, I am sure all of us want to say the same thing about crimes that aren't as serious, the ones that are three to six months to a year shouldn’t be sent to jail, but rather send them out to these outpost camps.
We talked about this for the last few years now, but I am just wondering if this was written to each community to see if there was any interest expressed out there. How was it advertised, or are you prepared to, if it hasn't already been advertised, are you prepared to get out and look for some proposals on this.
Because I am sure that, each community has one or two individuals that have skills to operate outpost camps and maybe proper equipment that they already have to date which departments could use. Koanaqutit Itsivautaq.
Hon. Paul Okalik: Koanaqutit Itsivautaq.
To date there has been no advertisement but we can institute an advertisement program to solicit requests from people that may be interested, and hopefully with your help, we can get more outpost camp operators.
But we will also advertise, as this really helps, not just the community as a whole, but especially the offenders.
Koanaqutit Itsivautaq.
With respect to correctional institutes that get too overcrowded.
There is a plan here to build or to expand or to build another correctional institute.
But looking at other avenues and the fact that the Baffin Correction institute is always too overcrowded, and people have to be sent somewhere else.
If we look at it Nunavut wide and we look at the criminals and the reasons.
There is no mental psychiatrist in Nunavut who might be able to assist in this field.
I think we should be able to look at finding out whether these criminals are supposed to be in jail, or are there other avenues that they might be able to use.
Are they just continually to be put into jails even though they might be using other services such as a psychiatrist.
There is no psychiatrist in Nunavut.
I think that is part of the problem.
With respect to your smaller criminal problems, they are also the reason why the overcrowding exists in the correctional facilities. There has to be a study done on this. With respect to the criminals, we have to find out whether they have to be in these correctional facilities.
We have to do a review and try and find out as to whether they should really be in there or not.
We are not too sure how else we might be able to assist them but as people of Nunavut we have to do more with respect to the inmates.
As we are trying to come up with funding for correctional facilities, we do want to see a healing program integrated into this new correctional facility.
There hasn't been a study on this, a study with respect to whether they should be there or not.
Perhaps the health staff or doctors can be involved in trying to find out whether these inmates should actually be incarcerated.
A lot of inmates have mental problems and they have to be dealt with by Inuit Qaujimajatuqangit.
They have to be dealt with by being given advice from elders.
They also have to be talked to and given advice as to what their problems are and try and find out in this way if we are going to try and plan this to be included in the healing program.
This is going to be a very slow process.
This is a major problem in the Nunavut communities with respect to mental problems.
It is a big problem in the Nunavut communities.
It exists in different regions, not just in one region.
We are all aware that even if an inmate is not supposed to be in jail, they are put in jail anyways, because of a lack of other services.
We have to try and find out what the problems are and do a study on this to try and find out about mental health issues.
With respect to our elders, our grandparents used to be the ones that would give us advice as to what our problems are.
There is no one like this anymore, we used to be given advice by these people.
Myself as a leader, I can't do anything such as advising younger people with their problems, but the only thing that I work on are my responsibilities to the Legislative Assembly.
…technical difficulties…I am sorry I got off the subject a little bit.
I just wanted to thank you, it would be better to give it to the Chairman.
Chairperson (interpretation): Okay we can hear you now.
We couldn't hear you properly.
I just wanted to remind the members that if you have a comment to make, you have to talk about the community justice and corrections on the capital estimates.
That's what we are discussing right now.
Branch summary and the Department of Justice.
Please try to stick to the topic.
Mr. Iqaqrialu do you have a question.
I was trying to use up my ten minutes, and make a comment.
There will be some questions later on. Because we are allotted ten minutes to talk about anything that we wish to speak about on this subject.
Under capital estimates, perhaps if we don't look at the capital estimates right now, perhaps there could be a study done on the inmates that go through the justice system, instead of putting out a bunch of money like this. Let’s see if we could do a Nunavut wide study to see what kinds of illness they have mentally before we could put them in jail.
Yes, we all know that if we are going to be using our traditional knowledge, there wouldn't be correctional facilities and so on.
We try to prevent people from going to jail, we have probation officers and those types of positions.
We also have justice committees in the communities that can help those people before we send them to jail.
We do have preventative counselling for them in the communities with the justice committees.
But we have no choice that some of them have to go to the correctional facilities and for those that require psychiatric help what we have been doing is the Minister of Social Services is doing that with the mental health workers.
I know that some of them have no choice but to go to the mental health facilities when they are a danger to themselves and the public.
I have been working a few years as a Justice of the Peace.
As people of Nunavummiut, we feel sometimes that some people that are incarcerated should not be incarcerated.
There should be a study as to how we can prevent those people that shouldn't be incarcerated.
Perhaps for the minister’s consideration, there should be more money for psychiatric help.
Hon. Paul Okalik (interpretation): Yes, we could probably do a study on that or a reassessment of that but it has nothing to do with capital estimates.
It has got to do more with the O&M department.
I have to deal with the capital estimates and that is what we are trying to do.
We always try to think of ways to do stuff like what the member was saying.
Mr. McLean is not here.
Mr. Chairman, it has been about two years now since we were given a tour with Maliganik Tukisiniakvik.
They told us that there isn't enough room in that building and we have seen it for ourselves like Mr. Iqaqrialu said, I think he was with us at that time.
It seems like there were also some people that were in there and they had an office that was inadequate.
At that time, it was under the direction of Jack Anawak and we understood that there should be a courthouse built.
I am very happy that this is at the planning stage at the court house because it is an inadequate building.
I'll have questions later on.
That is it Mr. Chairman.
I just want to remind the members that we are doing capital estimates for Community Justice and Corrections.
We are under 5-8.
Please try to stick with the subject.
I have questions but I just have a brief comment.
The federal inmates down south also have to be here in Nunavut.
The reason they are planning this is so federal inmates can come to Nunavut to be with their people.
I could understand that this planning stage is good right now.
Mr. Chairman, can I ask a question.
I have a question to his opening comments, Mr. Chairman.
Chairperson (interpretation): Perhaps if you want to speak for your ten minutes, you could go ahead.
You can't go beyond ten minutes but you could make opening remarks for ten minutes and then ask questions later on.
You could go ahead and ask a question. Ms. Williams.
My question is, under the opening remarks from the minister, they said that they would like to combine their correctional institutional planning.
When the federal inmates are allowed to come to Nunavut, would it be okay for that to happen.
I wonder, they have different regulations and I just wondered if we would have any problems with that.
Some of them are summary offences.
There are people in Pembroke that can take healing programs at the federal penitentiary and we would like to continue that when they bring the inmates here.
But at the beginning I would like to say that some of them are dangerous criminals and we wouldn't be able to bring them here.
I just want to let the members know this.
We aren't going to bring all of them up here, we can't take on the inmates that are dangerous.
Only the ones that aren't as dangerous as the other ones.
We will leave the inmates that are a danger to the public in the federal penitentiaries, those that have a long list of criminal activities.
Maybe I will try to ask this question in English. Just in case I wasn't clear.
My question was, if Correctional Services Canada built an institution with Nunavut Correctional Services, and we get federal inmates in this institution, wouldn't it mean that we have to follow their policies more than our own.
Because their institutions run differently than ours.
That was what I was trying to ask.
Chairperson (interpretation): Thank you, Ms. Williams for the clarification.
That will have to be discussed with Correction Services of Canada, but as I said in the outset, the current facility in Pembroke for example, is quite flexible, they allow for healing services from elders.
So, so far it has been quite flexible, even though they are in jail, they still get services that we also provide here in Nunavut.
So in some cases they receive better services than what we provide here.
So hopefully we’ll combine the two and get the best results.
Chairperson: (interpretation): I have no more names on the list.
We’ll go to the Capital Estimates Mr. Iqaqrialu.
I would like to go on to the questions instead of making comments from my heart.
My question is on the funding slated for vehicles, 35 thousand dollars.
Chairperson: (interpretation): I’m sorry, we’ve haven’t gone through the pages yet, Mr. Iqaqrialu.
I would like to make a general comment from my heart, very briefly and I’ll ask questions later on.
Yes, we’re discussing the topic of building a Court in Iqaluit, although I’ll make it brief, according to my experiences, down south, last summer, I have found out about an inmate who wanted to get a visit and I know that family has to gather money and go visit their son down south in the penitentiary.
We had to assist the individual to pay for his plane ticket and it was very expensive because that institution or the penitentiary is quite far from our communities.
According to the Inuit traditional knowledge I know that it’s not incorporated in there in the Nunavut government, it’s time that we start incorporating Inuit Qaujimajatuqangit and I’m sure that we’ll have to utilize it in the future and incorporate it.
If we get a penitentiary in Nunavut, we will have to send the families down to see their inmates or their family members in a penitentiary.
However, in my own viewpoint if an individual is not dangerous to him or herself or the public that we can advise him and deal with the issue. If they are dangerous, they can be incarcerated but if they are not dangerous, I would advise that they are dealt with through Inuit traditional knowledge.
I just wanted to point that out and also I have a few questions later on, so that’s my brief comment but I do have few questions later.
Chairperson (interpretation): I didn’t hear a question. If you would like to you may go ahead.
My question is how much money do they pay annually in leasing the court house.
We are now working on our Capital Estimates, if you would like an answer on our O & M we can leave it open for you and we’ll deal with the operation and maintenance when we do our main estimates, so therefore I cannot respond to you because this is not a Capital Estimates question.
We are now dealing with Capital Estimates.
You could correct me if I’m wrong, so don’t hesitate to correct me.
On Capital Estimates, I do have a question, in regards to the court house lease.
I wonder how much it will cost for our current Court House for a year to lease it.
So if that’s an O & M question you can correct me.
Chairperson (interpretation): Mr. Minister had stated that he does not have the information in front of him.
He doesn’t have the information for the annual lease of the Court House.
But he stated that he could deal with that during O & M. Yes, you can ask those questions when we go page by page.
Do you have any further questions or are you done, Mr. Iqaqrialu.
Mr. Iqaqrialu (interpretation): So that you won’t be reprimanding us let’s go on to the pages for the Capital Estimates.
Chairperson (interpretation): We’re on that page.
We’ll start off with the page we’re on.
Total for Capital Expenditures, on page 5-6, registration court services, 100 thousand.
Turning to page 5-7 Registration court services.
Buildings and works, headquarters region.
Nunavut total headquarters, 100 thousand. Total Capital Expenditures, 100 thousand.
Yes, I would like to have that question elaborated again.
For the year 2007, this is set for 2007 where we will be expending 100 thousand annually.
Will the Federal Government be funding us or contributing to the funding.
Is that why it’s like that.
Yes, so that it won’t be forgotten in the future and we will know that funding has been set aside for the sole purpose of the planning phase.
Although we do have plans in the future, we don’t want the funding to be forgotten.
So this funding has been set aside so that we could leave it open. I can tell you for the next year we won’t be building the Court House.
This is the planning stage.
If there was funding available, we would like to start the construction.
So therefore, this funding has been set aside so that we could be prepared for the future, although it’s identified for this year.
Just to inform the members we are on page 5-7. Page 5-6 is coming from here, from page 5-9.
Do you have any further questions, Mr. Iqaqrialu.
I was just wondering if this 100 thousand dollars could have been used, I could have used it.
Although it’s in the planning stages, it probably won’t be used so I was wondering why it is like this.
Yes, we want to be open and available, when we are not we just lose out annually.
So therefore, when we look at corrections we want to be fully prepared.
If we had started the planning stages earlier on, we would have started the construction by now.
We just want to be open and available for the future.
Once the funding is made available, we would like to use the funding for the planning stages of these projects.
Chairperson (interpretation): It’s clear now.
Total Capital Estimates, 100 thousand dollars.
Headquarters, total building and works and total capital expenditures.
Page 5-8.
Community Justice and Correction.
Total capital expenditures, 620 thousand dollars.
Total Headquarters region, 490 thousand dollars. Total buildings and works 490 thousand.
Page 5-10. Community Justice and Corrections.
Equipment acquisition.
Total Headquarters region, 130 thousand dollars.
Total equipment acquisition, 130 thousand dollars.
Total capital expenditures, 620 thousand.
Mr. Iqaqrialu (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am starting to get confused.
I think I had some comments on 5-9.
I think we are on to 5-10. Is that correct.
Chairperson (interpretation): We are done with 5-9.
Mr. Iqaqrialu (interpretation): I had a question on 5-9.
I didn't realize we moved onto 5-10.
Chairperson (interpretation): You can continue Mr. Iqaqrialu.
Thirty five thousand for a vehicle.
I would just like to know who will be utilizing the vehicle.
Chairperson (interpretation): We are on 5-9.
Are you on 5-9.
There is no vehicle on 5-9.
It doesn't talk about any vehicles.
Chairperson (interpretation): Minister I think has a response or a comment.
The number is different but the 35 thousand for vehicles is for transporting inmates to and from jail…
Chairperson (interpretation): We were on 5-10, we’ve completed 5-9 and equipment acquisition under 5-10.
I think Mr. Iqaqrialu you might have a question on 5-10.
Do they not have a vehicle already.
Is that why this money is allocated for this.
Chairperson (interpretation): Do the members agree.
Total headquarters 130 thousand total equipment acquisition, 130 thousand.
Total capital expenditure 620 thousand dollars. Agreed.
Go back to page 5-5.
Total Capital Expenditures, 720 thousand.
I would like to thank the Minister for appearing in front of the committee and his staff, his officials.
Nora Sanders and the guy on your left. Thank you and I’ll try to remember your name for next time.
Ms. Williams (interpretation): Mr. Chairman.
We would now like to deal with Minister Thompson’s opening remarks.
You can start with your opening remarks to the Committee of the Whole. When you are done, I can close.
Hon. Manitok Thompson (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman and Committee members.
For 2002-2003, the Housing Corporation has been allocated Capital funding of 17.7 million dollars.
This is an increase of 3.7 million dollars from 2001.
The Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation also provided funding of 4.3 million for modernization and improvement projects.
The grand total for Capital 2002/2003 is 22 million dollars.
Mr. Chairman I am pleased to announce that, with these additional funds, the Corporation will be able to construct at least another 52 Public Housing units during the 2002/2003 construction season.
This continues to add to the 200 additional units we have put into service over the last two years.
These 252 units bring the total public housing unit count up to 3,845.
We will spend just over 10 million 160 thousand dollars in this project area.
This year we are also bringing our M & I program back up to historical levels.
Over the last two years, we have sacrificed our existing stock to increase new construction.
The Corporation owns over 3,400 units.
Many of them are in need of repair and renovation.
We also have about 20 Weber units left to retrofit.
Each retrofit costs about 150 thousand dollars.
Twelve of these units are slated for retrofitting this coming construction year.
We will spend 8.83 million dollars in this project area.
This includes Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation funding.
In total, 835 units will be repaired or renovated during 2002/2003.
Adding the retrofits, this total is 847.
Our other capital expenditure areas include Homeowner programs, Mobile Equipment funding and Fire Damage Replacement funding.
These programs have not changed from 2001/2002.
Their capital funding remains the same at 3 million dollars in total.
Homeowner Programs.
The programs are Nunavut Down payment Assistance Program, which is NDAP.
Home Repair Program.
Senior Citizens’ Home Repair Program.
Mobile Equipment Funding, 400 thousand dollars is available for this program.
Fire Damage Replacement, 600 thousand dollars is available for this Program.
Allocations for this program are at the Headquarters level.
The Corporation does not carry insurance on its single homes and duplexes.
This Program provides funds to repair or replace fire-damaged units.
To date this level of funding has been enough.
Mr. Chairman, we are looking forward to another important year for housing in Nunavut.
I look forward to your comments and questions in reference to our Capital Plans for 2002/2003.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman and Committee Members.
Members what is your wish.
Mr. Arvaluk: Mr. Chairman, I would like to report progress.
Chairperson (interpretation): Mr. Arvaluk please repeat.
We would like to report progress at this time.
Chairperson (interpretation): This is not debatable.
Thank you for your opening remarks.
Mr. Speaker can return to the House at this time.
Mr. Speaker, your committee has been considering Bill 12 and 13 and Minister’s Statement 96 1(5).
Mr. Iqaqrialu seconds the motion.
Clerk (Mr. Quirke): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Meeting of the Regular Caucus at 6 o'clock.
Orders of the Day for Tuesday November 20, 2001.
Ministerial Statement 96-1(5)
This meeting stands adjourned.
>>House adjourned at 5.41 p.m.
Tuesday November 20, 2001
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Speaker: The Honourable Kevin O’Brien, M.L.A.  Legislative Assembly of Nunavut
Tuesday November 20, 2001 4
100 - 1(5): Extension of Workers' Compensation Board Intergovernmental Agreement (Ng) 4
101 - 1(5): Canadian Coast Guard Auxiliary (Anawak) 4
279 - 1(5): Suicide of Taloyoak Youth (Puqiqnak) 4
280 - 1(5): Expansion of Kitikmeot Boarding Home-Yellowknife (Alakannuark) 4
281 - 1(5):Manitoba Delegation Acknowledgement (Thompson) 4
282 - 1(5): Clyde River High School Graduation and Recognition of Qikiqtarjuak Residents (Iqaqrialu) 4
283 - 1(5): Relationships of Kivalliq Businesses & Mayors with Manitoba (McLean) 4
284 - 1(5): Kivalliq MLAs & Mayors Meet Manitoba Delegation (Anawak) 4
285 - 1(5): Closure of Nanisivik Mine & Arctic Bay Impact (Williams) 4
286 - 1(5): Iqaluit District Education Authority Meeting (Tootoo) 4
287-1(5): Expansion of Kitikmeot Boarding Home in Yellowknife (Havioyak) 4
288-1(5): AGM of Iqaluit District Education Authority (Picco) 4
282 - 1(5): Income Support Clients and Hours of Employment (Nutarak) 4
283 - 1(5): Meetings with NTI on NNI Appeals Board (Tootoo) 4
284-1(5): WCB Services in Nunavut (Iqaqrialu) 4
285 -1(5): Plans for Expansion of Kitikmeot Boarding Home (Havioyak) 4
286-1(5): Specific Initiatives for Youth of Nunavut (Puqiqnak) 4
287-1(5): Review of NNI Policy Completion (McLean) 4
288 - 1(5): Funding for Suicide Prevention (Iqaqrialu) 4
289-1(5): Involvement of Arctic Bay-Nanisivik Working Group (Williams) 4
290-1(5): Review of Kitikmeot Boarding Home-RFP (Alakannuark) 4
291 - 1(5): Hours of Both Spouses Required to Qualify for Income Support (Nutarak) 4
292-1(5): Update on Human Resources Tracking System (Tootoo) 4
013 - 1(5): Status of 2001/2002 Capital Expenditures (Havioyak) 4
05 - 1(5): Medical Travel and Choice of Airline (Alakannuark) 4
11 - 1(5): Review of Bill 9 - Change of Name Act 2001 (Nutarak) 4
043 - 1(5): WCB Annual Reports 1999 and 2000 (Ng) 4
044 - 1(5): Legislative Assembly Retiring Allowances Fund (Speaker) 4
045 - 1(5): Incremental Costs - Cambridge Bay Sitting May 2001 (Speaker) 4
Bill 12 – Appropriation Act No. 1, 2002/2003 – Consideration in Committee - Nunavut Housing Corporation 4
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