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Hon. Ed Picco: Because the projects we are looking at right now are active projects.
We've already approved the money before for the plan that's going on in Igloolik, there's no money in the budget now for that.
Right now there's no money budgeted for this year, so that's why it's not showing up there, that's why in your book you have an appendix A-19.
So you can see where the money is being spent as we get through this cycle.
Because it's not an active project this year, James.
Page 10-7.
Total for Baffin, 5 million 530 thousand.
Chairperson (interpretation): All those opposed.
Total Keewatin, 25 thousand, do you agree.
I have a question I'd like a clarification and I would like to be understood properly.
In Keewatin, in Repulse Bay the health centre is being established by the Hamlet, the foundation for the health centre.
The Hamlet Council was talking about the foundation and the minister was saying that he was working closely with the hamlet councils of the Nunavut communities.
So I would like to find out from his department are they planning closely together.
Is he consulting the hamlet councils closely in respect to the foundation of the health centre that’s going to be built in Repulse Bay.
Mr. Chairman, the member’s correct.
We had to put 700 thousand dollars in the budget last year for the functional program for the facility.
It’s seventeen years old.
The barn-shaped building leaks.
There are problems with the windows and when I was there two months ago there was actually a leak.
There was a hole in the roof that was leaking.
There are apartments for nurses and dental therapists so we need to build a new facility there.
We have been working, Mr. Chairman, our community consultant actually was in the community.
We’re doing the functional program review now and the next step is the programmer will be back in the community to consult with the hamlet and mayor on exactly the design that we are bringing forward.
This is again a similar situation to what the member for Amittuq and Mr. Arvaluk was talking about earlier.
The retrofit in the capital plan last year we put 700 if it’s not clear on this book right now for approval here.
So hopefully there’ll be no more project administration put forward for the capital planning next year.
Do I understand you that in the year 2002-2003 you will start the initial stage of that work.
Mr. Chairman, we hoped that by March 31, 2002 that the functional program and the design for that facility would be complete.
And then that would be one of the things that we would be bringing forward for consideration to the members and to the Assembly for our projects for next year.
Total Keewatin, 25 thousand.
Total Kitikmeot, 30 thousand.
Total Buildings and Works, 5 million 585 thousand.
Carried. 10-8.
Total Qikiqtaaluk Region, 115 thousand.
There’s a variance here.
Kivalliq, Qikiqtaaluk and Kitikmeot are different. The 115 thousand they talk about for equipment and vehicles.
The vehicles that you will be purchasing, do you look for the cheapest vehicles.
Do you look for the cheapest vehicles to purchase and how much does one vehicle cost approximately.
Mr. Chairman, under the equipment and vehicle services there are some vehicles and some are medical equipment as needed in the health centres.
But on the equipment, vehicle purchases are in terms of Nunavut Government guidelines and we’re making sure we’re getting the best value for the dollar spent.
Mr. Arvaluk (interpretation): Do I understand for example that just looking at 80 thousand, I think we’re still on Qikiqtaaluk Region. Qikiqtaaluk Region, 115 thousand.
How many vehicles does that usually purchase.
Mr. Chairman on average it's about thirty, thirty-five thousand for a van.
For the rest of the money it would be for medical equipment, the diagnostic equipment for our health centres.
This 115 thousand dollars, which community is it going to be geared towards.
That's one of the things that will done within the department.
They would look at the needs, for example if the community needs a new incubator, that would be purchased for the community which needed new diagnostic equipment.
Then it would be purchased. So it's prorated and prioritised based on the need at the community level.
In this case for the Qikiqtaaluk region it would be all the Baffin, so it could be any one of the 13 communities in the Baffin region.
Mr. Iqaqrialu (interpretation): Thank you, I would like to see this vehicle money for my community, I'm serious I would like to.
Because I would like to see this funding or the budget go to a smaller community.
One of the things we've been able to negotiate with the federal government is for our home community care, under that program we're training people in every community that takes care of people who are shut in and each community would get a vehicle so the member's community will be getting a vehicle under that program for sure.
What's your wish.
Total Qikiqtaaluk region, we're on page 10-8, 115 thousand any other questions.
Total Kivalliq region, 80 thousand.
For equipment and vehicles I would like to make a comment on that.
The health centres require proper vehicles.
And I know that, the health centre vehicle is usually two wheel drive and they don't have four wheel drive so they require four wheel drive.
I know that the health centre vehicles have two wheel drive.
So that they can go through heavy snow, especially when there's an emergency they should be four wheel drive so therefore I'm requesting that you consider buying four wheel drive because in one of my communities all they have is two wheel drive vehicles.
The member makes a good point, just in consultation with the staff, indeed that is the case that the vehicles going into the communities will be four wheel or all wheel drive.
Chairperson (interpretation): Thank you, any other comments.
Total Kivalliq region, 80 thousand. Do you agree.
Total Kitikmeot region, 80 thousand. Do you agree.
Total equipment acquisition, 275 thousand. Do you agree.
Total capital expenditures, 5 million 860 thousand. Do you agree.
Mr. Havioyak: That number also comes out on the appendix A-20, 5 million 860 thousand.
When you look at the Kitikmeot region for the next five years there's nothing planned there, it concerns me, I'm just wondering if you are communicating with the Kitikmeot communities.
There's nothing planned and I know we raised some issues about the facilities there. It seems like when you look at the page like this, it seems like we're ignored in that region, so is there something planned for the next five years for our region there, some type of facilities because I've been raising it for the last few months and nothing's showing.
It concerns me.
I concluded with these comments six months ago at the last sitting and there is nothing showing here.
I want some explanation from the minister on that.
Mr. Chairman. It depends on the age of the building. In the Kitikmeot for example we've built Gjoa Haven, Kugluktuk, Taloyoak all brand new buildings, in 1984 to 1998.
For example we are planning on replacing the facility in Cambridge Bay, we've installed the tele-health equipment in two communities in Cambridge as well as Gjoa Haven.
It depends on the facility itself, Mr. Chairman for our capital planning, and what the capital needs will be in that region.
Chairperson (interpretation): Mr. Havioyak
I hate to mention this, I'm not against what Cambridge Bay wants to do, again, I'm in support of what they want there.
Again you mentioned another Cambridge Bay Project.
Replacement for Cambridge Bay for next year, it's not showing here anyway.
Is there something here that I should know.
Hon. Ed Picco: Kelvin didn't want it in there, no, Mr. Chairman the facility in Cambridge Bay, as well as the facility in Rankin Inlet and the one in Iqaluit are being developed through a partnership with the three development corporations and therefore don't appear in our capital plan.
The total of capital expenditures, I cannot agree to it myself and I won't agree to it myself because of this 450 thousand that's going towards Pangnirtung.
I'm sure that it's going to misplace our plans for upcoming years.
I feel that if Pangnirtung is going to be taking away what the other communities such as Igloolik were going to have, we are not giving the true facts to the public.
If we had planned ahead in the past for the Pangnirtung health replacement, I would have liked to have seen it in the previous plans but according to A-19, 450 thousand is all on it's own all the way up to 2007, and there's nothing after.
Looking at Qikiqtaaluk region total, 5 million 645 thousand, this 2 million is in there and it’s not towards Pangnirtung.
And it’s down at the total, it’s included in the total only.
So I think there might be a problem occurring here.
Two million 525 thousand, it’s the same as what Igloolik was going to get.
So I’m sure that there’s going to be a problem and one program will take away from another project.
When you make a one year plan in the future I would question the process or what your department is doing.
But just now because I don’t understand this situation I won’t be able to agree to it.
Chairperson (interpretation): Total Equipment Acquisition.
Total capital expenditures, 5 million 860 thousand.
Are you saying you won’t be able to approve it.
A member wants to reject this.
Member for Uqqummiut, 5 million 860 thousand.
Total Capital Expenditures.
Member for Uqqummiut, Mr. Iqaqrialu, please clarify yourself.
What did you say.
If we’re not going to approve this, the ones we’re reviewing now, Mr. Iqaqrialu would have to make a motion and have a vote and that’s the only way we can do it.
If there is no motion on the floor that’s why we just agreed to it verbally.
Chairperson (interpretation): Yes, Mr. Iqaqrialu is opposed.
Is that what you’re saying because one member opposed.
I understand the Member for Nanulik is trying to say if I understand him correctly that we need a motion to reject.
I know you have the number of the members who agreed and I opposed.
And I will oppose it.
How do you expect me to make a motion.
Mr. Chairman, just for a clarification purposes I don’t think the numbers against the total amount and if you vote for example if the members voted against this project, the ones in Igloolik or Pond or any other projects couldn’t go ahead.
I think the member has a concern with the 450 that’s sitting in the capital projects.
I think his motion would be just about the 450 and not about the other projects.
Second point, Mr. Chairman, I want to maybe give him another explanation for the 450 and that is next year or this fall the member will have an opportunity with the other members to add to that budget.
Because that’s the money I’m only using as my planning target right now, the 2.7 for the Igloolik.
Another place for example is the facility in Repulse, which can come back into the capital plan.
It’s not something that magically appeared or disappeared within the plan.
So I hope that’s a better explanation of the motion the member is trying to make and I wanted to ask him to put that forth please.
Chairperson (interpretation): Yes, that 450 thousand was approved already, only one person opposed.
Okay 10-8. Total Capital Expenditures, 5 million 860 thousand.
Going back to 10-5. Department of Health and Social Services.
Program summary. Detail of expenditures. Total Capital Expenditures, 5 million 860 thousand.
I would like to thank the minister and his officials for appearing before us this afternoon.
What is the wish of the committee, Mr. Arvaluk.
I would have proposed a motion to extend before six, but it's after six now, I think it's a little late, so I would like to hear from the Chairperson if it's too late.
I would like to report progress after Sustainable Development makes their opening remarks.
We were supposed to make a motion before six so we can't do it now. I'm sorry I forgot about it.
For that reason I would like you to report progress.
Chairperson (interpretation): Time went really fast, about 100 miles an hour today, our clock went too fast.
The motion is not debatable. All in favour to report progress.
The Speaker can come back to the House now.
Your committee has been considering Bill 12 and would like to report that Bill 12 is still under consideration and would like to report progress and Mr. Speaker I move that the Report of the Committee of the Whole be concurred with.
All those opposed. The motion is carried.
Members, before we conclude for the day, I will say when Mr. Picco raised a point of order I believe it was a point of clarification, so that's the way we'll deal with it.
Meeting of the Management Services Board at half past six in the Tuktu boardroom.
Orders of the day for Tuesday, November 27, 2001.
Minister's Statement 96-1(5)
The House stands adjourned until November 27, 2001 at 1:30.
>>House adjourned at 6.13 p.m.
Tuesday November 27, 2001
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Opening Prayer 2056
Ministers' Statements 2056
Members' Statements 2057
Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery 2058
Oral Questions 2059
Reports of Standing and Special Committees 2077
Tabling of Documents 2091
Notices of Motions 2091
Notices of Motions for First Reading of Bills 2091
Motions 2092
Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters 2093
Report of the Committee of the Whole 2130
Orders of the Day 2131
Tuesday November 27, 2001 2056
117 - 1(5): Ministers' Absence From House - Thompson & Kilabuk (Ng) 2056
118 - 1(5): Nunavut Status of Women Council Office (Kattuk) 2056
332 - 1(5): Working Together (Alakannuark) 2057
333 - 1(5): Nunavummiut: Most Generous Donors (Tootoo) 2057
340 - 1(5): Indeterminate, Term and Agency Nurses in Nunavut (Tootoo) 2059
341 - 1(5): Dental Therapist for Baker Lake School (McLean) 2061
342 - 1(5): Surgery Schedules & Issues (Nutarak) 2063
343 - 1(5): Medical Travel Cost Options (Iqaqrialu) 2066
344 - 1(5): Length of time to Hire Social Workers (Irqittuq) 2068
345 - 1(5): Future Mine Openings (Puqiqnak) 2070
346 - 1(5): Priorities for Status of Women Council (Williams) 2072
347 - 1(5): Transportation for Agency Nurses (Tootoo) 2073
348 - 1(5): Dental Visits to Communities (Havioyak) 2075
Committee Report 012 - 1(5): Selection Process for the New Chief Electoral Officer 2077
Committee Report 013 - 1(5): Nunavut Income Support Policy Review 2082
052 - 1(5): 2001 Auditor General’s Report (Speaker) 2091
Motion 014 - 1(5): Appointment of Chief Electoral Officer (Iqaqrialu) 2092
Bill 18 - An Act to Amend the Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act - Notice (Ng) 2091
Bill 12 – Appropriation Act No. 1, 2002/2003 - Consideration in Committee 2093
Tuesday November 27, 2001  Nunavut Hansard
Honourable Olayuk Akesuk, Mr. Ovide Alakannuark, Honourable Jack Anawak, Mr. Donald Havioyak, Mr. David Iqaqrialu, Mr. Enoki Irqittuq, Honourable Peter Kattuk, Mr. Glenn McLean, Mr. Jobie Nutarak, Honourable Kelvin Ng, Honourable Kevin O’Brien, Honourable Ed Picco, Mr. Uriash Puqiqnak, Mr. Hunter Tootoo, Ms. Rebekah Williams.
Speaker (Mr. O'Brien): I would like to ask Mr. Puqiqnak to say the opening prayer, please.
Speaker: Good afternoon, Mr. Deputy Premier, members.
Ublukkuut.
Minister's Statement 117 - 1(5): Ministers' Absence From House - Thompson & Kilabuk
I wish to advise members that the Honourable Manitok Thompson will be absent from the House from November 27 to 30, to attend the Federal-Provincial-Territorial Housing Ministers meeting in Quebec City.
Also, Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise members that the Honourable Peter Kilabuk is ill today and will be absent for today.
Minister's Statement 118 - 1(5): Nunavut Status of Women Council Office
On Monday morning I was honoured to join Nunavut's Status of Women Council Member Annie Tatty, in cutting the ribbon to open the first Nunavut Status of Women Council office.
The office is located on the second floor of the Igluvut Building here in Iqaluit.
A phone number will be announced soon.
Sally Webster, the newest member of the council met with other members for the first time during these meetings.
I would like to extend a warm welcome to her and all council members.
Their meetings over the past few days have focused on reviewing the Status of Women Act and prioritizing their activities.
A booklet on Breast Self Examination is in the works with funding from Health Canada for breast cancer initiatives.
I thank the council members for inviting me to meet with them and I look forward to hearing more about their discussions.
I ask members to join me in supporting the council as they continue their important work in their new office.
Member's Statement 332 - 1(5): Working Together
I would like to rise today to speak from my heart.
I am happy today to rise and speak about how we can support each other using Inuit Qaujimajatuqangit.
We have to think about our ancestors because they work very hard to be able to support their families.
They helped out whoever was in need.
That's the way we should be doing it too for ourselves and for our children.
If we can do this it will be very good for all of us.
Thank you very much Mr. Speaker, for letting me make my statement.
Member's Statement 333 - 1(5): Nunavummiut: Most Generous Donors
Mr. Speaker, last year about this time, I rose in the House to inform members that Nunavummiut had been calculated to be among the most generous charitable donors in Canada.
Mr. Speaker, according to Statistics Canada today, Nunavut is now in the top spot of all provinces and territories with a median donation of 340 dollars to charities in the year 2000, and PEI Mr. Chairman, was in second place.
The largest increase in donors was recorded in Nunavut, up 9.5%.
Total donations went up by 14.1% in Nunavut and over 1.5 million dollars was donated by Nunavummiut last year.
Mr. Speaker, last year I spoke about how this level of generosity was a testament to the kindness and the spirit of our neighbours and our communities.
Even as we continue to struggle with poverty and social issues that are daunting at the best of times, news like today reminds us of the decency of our people.
Mr. Speaker, I would ask all members to join me again this year in helping to ensure that Nunavut remains the most giving of all Canadian jurisdictions in the year 2001.
I would like to recognize my constituency assistant Geela Pitseolak and I would like to thank her for assisting me.
The other member from Rankin Inlet is not here, so I would like to recognize the people from Rankin Inlet behind me.
My aunt, Annie Tatty who is a member of the Status of Women Council.
Also on the other side, I have constituents Sandy Kusugak, who was recently appointed as Chief Electoral Officer for NTI.
They are both from Rankin Inlet and are my constituents.
Also Diane Tiktak.
The members that I spoke about in my minister's statement are here today and I would like to welcome them to the House.
They are Madeleine Komoartuk, Annie Napayok, Rhoda Nanuk, Leah May, Annie Tatty, and Rhoda Arreak and Helen Maksagak who are not here.
Also here is Sally Webster who is a new member of the council.
I would like to recognize a person from Taloyoak, she is also a member of the Status of Women Council.
I am sure she will be doing a good job to represent the people of Taloyoak, Rhoda Nanuk.
It gives me great pleasure to recognize a constituent of mine, the Minister of Culture, Language, Elders and Youth already did it, but I would also like to add that she is very active in the traditional economy.
Some of the beautiful wall hangings you see in this Assembly are marketed by Sally Webster.
I would like to recognize Sally Webster from Baker Lake.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to begin by welcoming in the gallery a well-known entrepreneur, a businesswoman and a constituent of mine, Mrs. Natsiq Kango. Welcome to the gallery.
I’d also like to welcome to the gallery the team from Canadian North.
You will have other introductions today from the people from Arviat.
So I will introduce Kelly Kaylo from Canadian North, next to Kelly is Eva Onalik, next to Kelly on this side is a new flight attendant, Mr. Speaker, we’re very proud of Canadian North for the hiring of northerners to be flight attendants.
One of them is present, Mr Anawak already introduced one. I will introduce and welcome Mr. Gary Phillip.
And next to the other flight attendant who’s already been introduced is Mr. Dan Cain, I’d like to welcome them to the gallery.
If not I have somebody from my own community to recognize.
We have Sandy Reinehanner, Deputy Mayor and also the nurse-in-charge from Arviat, Sandy welcome.
Haddie Alagalak, hamlet councillor and also our trusty SAO Darren Flynn.
Question 340 - 1(5): Indeterminate, Term and Agency Nurses in Nunavut
Mr. Tootoo: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question today is for the minister responsible for Health and Social Services.
Mr. Speaker, we’re all aware of the fact that in Nunavut, here in Iqaluit and every community in Nunavut is facing severe shortages of nurses in the communities.
I’d like to ask the Minister of Heath and Social Services how many nurses we have in Nunavut and out of those nurses how many of them are indeterminate and how many of those nurses are agency nurses. If he has exact numbers that’ll be fine or if he’s got percentages that’s fine as well.
Mr. Speaker, in the Baffin I’ll give them by region.
In the Baffin we have 54 indeterminate positions, in the Kivalliq we have 21 and in the Kitikmeot we have four for a total of 79. Term positions Mr. Speaker, we have four in the Baffin, we have nine in Kivalliq and we have none in the Kitikmeot for a total of 13.
Mr. Speaker, we have a total of 145.5 nurses in all of Nunavut and we also have one nurse under a mentorship program.
It is a pleasure to get numbers for questions when you ask the minister. Nice to see.
Mr. Speaker, the minister I believe indicated and I’m not sure if there were a total of 145.5 nurses throughout Nunavut, and roughly 92 of those are term or indeterminate.
So I guess that leaves about 50 or so that are agency nurses.
I’d like to ask the minister what the difference in cost is between an indeterminate nurse and an agency nurse.
Mr. Speaker, an agency nurse is a nurse we would bring in, what we would call a locum.
An agency nurse would go into a community when we have a shortage or we don’t have a nursing position or an indeterminate or a term position in that place.
They actually fill in.
In that case, Mr. Speaker, using an agency nurse is very expensive.
You hire the nurse from an agency, a nursing agency, it could be the Nightingale Agency as an example, and that person comes in for six or eight weeks and is paid their salary and everything is paid to the agency.
It is more expensive to do that than to have an indeterminate or a term position.
Mr. Speaker, I guess looking at the numbers almost a third of our nurses are agency nurses and considering that they are much more expensive as the minister indicated, what exactly, if the minister could indicate, what kind of benefits or what are the terms of employment differences between an indeterminate nurse and an agency nurse.
Mr. Speaker, an indeterminate or a term position nurse is an employee of the Government of Nunavut.
An agency nurse, who is a temporary hire, would work for the Government of Nunavut almost like a freelance position.
They would be the employee of an agency, like I mentioned earlier the Nightingale Agency.
What we have put in place Mr. Speaker, as the House knows, is a 24 thousand dollar supplement, a market labour supplement, to increase our term and our indeterminate positions.
Mr. Speaker, as the minister indicated we are all aware of the 24 thousand signing bonus for indeterminate nurses.
It appears that we still have a third of our nurses that are agency nurses and it is costing us quite a bit more.
I would like to ask the minister, for these agency nurses as he basically had indicated, they are freelance, and they are hired on an as and when type basis.
Is it up to the individual or the agency or the nurse to get themselves to and from where they are working or is that a cost that is borne by the Department of Health and Social Services as well as their accommodations for those agency nurses and so on.
Mr. Speaker, we have had some very good success in the last three months with our nurse recruitment for indeterminate and term staff.