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Chairperson (interpretation): At this time, I’ll give Mr. Anawak an opportunity to make a comment before we go into recorded vote.
Hon. Jack Anawak (interpretation): I was just thinking, well, we had already voted on it during the budget session, so it’s a little embarrassing to talk about it again.
Chairperson (interpretation): There’s a motion on the floor.
I will be requesting a recorded vote.
Absolutely no raising of the hands; we’ll have you stand up and your names will be called and recorded.
Chairman (interpretation): I’m very confused at this point. We are dealing with an issue that is over and done with. Perhaps this is just a ploy to score political points.
Okay, we’ll go for a recorded vote.  All agreed and nays will be recorded.
Please rise if you agree with the motion.
As a chair it is written in English and you know that I cannot read it.
What I have here is in English.
I could just throw it in the waste basket because I can’t read it.
It’s just in English and I’m not going to read it.
I had asked you to take a 10 minute break so that there will be translation provided.
I apologize but it’s a fact, I’m the chair and I’m sorry if you didn’t understand the fact that I cannot read English, I know we all understand the motion.
Mr. Chairman, I thought we had an agreement from all the members here that it wasn’t a requirement to go ahead and get it translated, it was pretty straight forward as to what the motion was and everyone agreed to that to go ahead and deal with it so, that’s what my understanding of what we were doing.
If you want to take a 10 minute break to get it translated for yourself, everyone else here understands what it is. You can go ahead and do that. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Chairperson (interpretation): Well, that might be the case but I was told to read the motion and it will have to be translated if I’m going to read it.
I can’t read in English.
That’s why I threw it on the floor.
It doesn’t make any sense to me.
There is a requirement to translate it.
We’ll take a 10 minute break.
>>Committee recessed at 7.22 p.m. and resumed at 7.41 p.m.
Chairperson (interpretation): We can proceed already.
Do all Members of the Legislative Assembly have copies of the motion?
Committee Motion 006 – 1(6): Delete $2,270,000.00 from Supplementary Appropriation # 5, 2001-2002, O & M from Legislative Assembly
For the information of the members.
Our recorded vote has been requested.
All those agreed will stand up and your names will be called and when your names are called, please sit down.
That’s the procedure.
All nays.
Please be seated after your names are called.
All nays, please stand up.
Mr. Nutarak, Mr. Ng, Ms. Thompson, Mr. Akesuk, Mr. Kattuk, Mr. Kilabuk, Mr. Anawak, Mr. Puqiqnak, Mr. Alakannuark, Mr. Irqittuq, Mr. Arvaluk, Mr. Havioyak, Mr. McLean.
The motion is defeated.
At this point, we’ll go back to supplementary appropriation no. 2, 2001-2002.
Legislative Assembly, Operations and Maintenance on page no. 6.
Chairman (interpretation): The total department, 2 million, 270 thousand dollars.
Total department, 2 million, 270 thousand dollars.
Chairman (interpretation): Okay. Turning the page.
Department of Finance and Administration, Operations and Maintenance, Mr. Arvaluk.
Do I understand that when we had the N.W.T there were various different departments such as the Women’s Secretariat or Women’s Department.
I guess it was to do with pay equity for work, I think. I guess, for that particular issue as the Minister stated, is that the amount of money that will be expended?
Are there any expectations that the amount will increase in the future?
Mr. Chairman, no, this is the pay equity portion of 12 million, 800 thousand dollars that is the expected amount to finalize all the settlements that are out there.
It’s the GN’s portion, the Government of Nunavut’s portion, excuse me, the Government of Nunavut’s portion of the total liabilities.
Mr. Arvaluk (interpretation): And the other thing that I understand is that 19 million, 234 thousand dollars is to do with the court case in regards to Ed Horn and that has to be paid out as well to my understanding, is that going to continue or is that the end of the pay out for that court challenge as well?
Again Mr. Chairman, that’s expected to be the final amount again.
It’s the Government of Nunavut’s portion of the overall settlement reached for the victims in the Ed Horn case.
Mr. Tootoo: Mr. Chairman, those two areas, is that the only areas that this funding covers?
It says other departmental over-expenditures, I’m just wondering if there is any other, what those expenditures were, that are not covered under those two sections.
No, Mr. Chairman, its just those two items in this particular portion of the supplementary appropriation, Department of Finance.
Department of Finance, Operations and Maintenance, not previously authorized. 19 million, 234 thousand dollars.
Total department 19 million, 234 thousand dollars.
Chairman (interpretation): Turn the page.
Department of Health and Social Services, Operations and Maintenance not previous authorized. 2 million, 648 thousand dollars.
Comments or questions, Mr. Arvaluk.
My understanding is, for the Department of Health and Social Services, they had, in 2001-2002 over-expenditures for Emergency Medical Attention in the amount of over 70 million dollars, on top of that there is over 2 million dollars that had to be expended again and my question is; the amount of money that is going to be expended, 2002-2003, is that amount of money going to be enough?
Do you think that amount of money will be sufficient, so, there won’t be another Supplementary Appropriation to approve next year?
Chairperson (interpretation): Thank Mr. Arvaluk.
Mr. Chairman, in respect to the current year, Mr. McLean brought up the issue in the legislature earlier on exactly what we’re expecting with the Department of Health and Social Services.
We know, as indicated, that they will be coming back for an additional appropriation for the current fiscal year.
This time, we’re working at trying to finalize what the amounts are and obviously to work with the Department of Health to try to identify where those problem areas are and help them to hopefully to work towards maintaining and minimizing some of the needs that they might have financially.
Mr. Arvaluk (interpretation): My last question, Mr. Chairman.
The Air Ambulance, they have a contract with the Air Ambulance, Department of Health and Social Services has a contract with the Air Ambulances such as First Air and Kivalliq Air.
Do you have anything in place whereby all the airlines are able to provide air ambulance services or do you have any contingency plans whereby they can go by scheduled airlines and do you expect that you will need to spend as much money?
Mr. Chairman, I know that the Department of Health and Social Services does have some requests for proposals out for air transportation services right now and they are doing some evaluations for several requests for proposals in that area throughout Nunavut.  I don’t know right now what the outcome of that will be, but I’m certain that you know, they will be making some decisions on that and hopefully, taken into account obviously not only the service but the cost efficiency as well.
Chairperson (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Ng. At this time I don’t have any more names.
The Department of Health and Social Services, Operations and Maintenance not previously authorized. 2 million, 648 thousand dollars.
Total department, 2 million, 648 thousand dollars.
Chairman (interpretation): Turning to page 2.
Schedule 1, Operations and Maintenance. 24 million, 152 thousand dollars.
Chairman (interpretation): Opposed.
Turning to page 3.
Appropriation required, 24 million, 152 thousand dollars.
Total Appropriation, 24 million, 152 thousand dollars.
Chairman (interpretation): Carried.
Page, I mean Bill 15. Going back to Bill 15.
Hold on. In the legislation, in your binder, Bill 15; Supplementary Appropriations Act no. 5, 2001-2002.
Chairman (interpretation): Clause 2.
Chairman (interpretation): Clause 3.
Chairman (interpretation): Clause 4.
Chairman (interpretation): Clause 5.
Chairman (interpretation): Clause 6.
Chairman (interpretation): Clause 7.
Chairman (interpretation): Page 3.
Schedule 1, Total Supplementary Appropriation, 24 million 152 thousand.
Chairman (interpretation): Bill 1, I’m sorry. Bill 15 as a whole.
Chairman (interpretation): The Bill 15 could be read for the third time.
Chairman (interpretation): Bill 15 is carried and it stands for third reading.
We have to smile once in a while because it’s Halloween today, tonight.
Mr. Akesuk, I don’t want you to pretend to be me tonight because you already won a prize.
Chairman (interpretation): At this time, we will move to Bill 16 Supplementary Appropriations Capital.
Capital #2 2002-2003.
Does everyone have it?
Supplementary Appropriations Capital #2 2002-2003.
Do you have it with you? Okay.
Legislative Assembly Capital, not previously authorized.
Office of the Clerk, 100 thousand.
Chairman (interpretation): Total of the Office of the Clerk 100 thousand.
Chairman (interpretation): Total department 100 thousand. Agreed?
Chairman (interpretation): Turning the page.
Human Resources Capital, not previously authorized.
Directorate 150 thousand.
Chairman (interpretation): Total Directorate.
Mr. McLean: Mat’na Iksivauta.
How long has the Government of Nunavut been in that building?
Mr. Chairman I believe that the government has been a tenant in that building since April 1, 1999 although it was through the divisional board of education, I understand at that time.
So they’ve been in that building since April 1, 1999 when we occupied that building it wasn’t up to standards or it wasn’t meeting our needs at the time.
That was when we as a legal official entity took it.
I’m sure that the board, the divisional board would have been there prior to April 1, 1999.
I can’t tell you how long that and its also my understanding that the Housing Corporation was also a tenant there, as well so there were agencies funded by the government and I couldn’t tell you how long they had been tenants in that building.
Are we paying for the whole cost of the improvements or is the tenant contributing any of the costs.
Yes, as you know, Mr. Chairman, in this particular trigram building, the lease is in this particular spot.
There was, at one point, some plans for Human Resources to pay out 756 thousand dollars in total, for tenant improvements and as well, CLEY had also identified an amount of 452 thousand dollars, which is still in this Supplementary Appropriation.
After some negotiations with the landlord, we went through Public Works, they came to an understanding that has led to this request for 150 thousand dollars this current year and what will happen is that, the 756 thousand dollars from Human Resources has been deleted for the Capital Plan for next year.
So in effect, you know, by moving forward this project and through the negotiations it saved the government 600 thousand dollars, instead of paying 756 next year we’ll end up paying this 150 this year.
This is still along with the 452 with CLEY, of course and the building was brought up to standards to allow for both departments to function from leaseholds in that building.
Chairperson (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Ng. I have no hands up.
We are still on page 5, Human Resources Capital.
Total department 150 thousand.
Chairman (interpretation): Okay turning the page.
Not previously authorized 1 million 438 thousand was approved on June 11, 2002.
I understand that it was approved by the government to purchase the Sivumut Building and the Government of Nunavut expects to assume the existing mortgage.
This 1 million 483 thousand, is that just the initial payment and how much percent is this payment from the total price.
Mr. Chairman, the overall purchase amount is basically 7 million 325 thousand dollars.
The 1 million 483 thousand dollars is a down payment.
There’s an assumable mortgage, with a balance of 5 million 842 thousand and 17 dollars and this was as May 31, 2002.
And how this came about, Mr. Chairman, is that we were tenants in the building and through the lease agreement we had the right of first refusal.
There was an offer made by another developer to the owners, and we did a financial analysis of the purchase of the building.
It was deemed to be a significant saving.
This was a building that has been reported as a significant premium to the government in one of the auditor general’s reports.
I believe our calculations show that we had been paying 18 to 26% premium on our lease costs, so it was cost effective for us to initiate this purchase.
Are there other plans, rule me out of order Mr. Chairman, if I asked my questions, maybe related, maybe not.
Are there other plans to purchase the other offices in other communities that we have been leasing and grandfathering from the N.W.T. times that you’ve been leasing to purchase it?
Like for example, in Coral Harbour, we have four office spaces in one building and I believe that we have been paying approximately 10 thousand dollars a month for a room leased by the government and that has been there for approximately 15 years.
The 10 thousand a month times 50, you know, times 12, times 50 , you know what I mean.
It‘s an exorbitant cost to the government and not the fault of this government.
Is there plans also to purchase some of those buildings that should have been yours in the first place.
You are in order.
Mr. Chairman, it would be on a case by case basis, depending on what was in the lease arrangements.
If we did have the opportunity and it was cost effective to do so, such as what we found through the assessment on this particular building, then we would obviously initiate that.
If it wasn’t deemed to be beneficial for the cost value perspective for the government, then we wouldn’t undertake that.
But first of all, I mean obviously, the owners would want to have to want to be able to sell to us or somebody else as in this case, that allows the right of first refusal.
Mr. Arvaluk: Mr. Chairman, last question.
You do have inventory of these office spaces in the other communities and you probably know the conditions and what you’re paying through the finance department.
And you probably could see whether they are worth renting for that amount and of course, if you are leasing from the owner and if the owner does not want to sell, you also could break your contract, like if it’s not being in the best interest of the Nunavummiut.
Will you be, how close, my question should be; how close are you in, how are you, I’ll speak in Inuktitut…
(interpretation): Are you monitoring the buildings or evaluating them to make sure whether it’s better to lease them and rent them or to purchase them so I was wondering if you have done those kinds of evaluations.
Please try and keep to the topic, to the capital supplementary appropriations.
Mr. Chairman, it actually isn’t the Department of Finance that owes the payments for the leases or does the administration, the policies that surrounds these leases is the Department of Public Works.
For the offices they do have an inventory of the leases, obviously they administer it and they review it on a regular basis and when situations arise such as this, then they bring forward the request for the decision.
The Department of Finance is obviously involved in evaluating, along with the Public Works staff, the cost benefits and recommendations whether to proceed or not.
Chairperson (interpretation): Thank you, Minister Ng. I have no more names on the list we will go back to Public Works and Services, Capital, not previously authorized. 1 million, 483 thousand dollars.
Chairman (interpretation): Total department total Operations and Maintenance, 1 million, 483 thousand dollars.
Chairman (interpretation): Total department, 1 million, 483 thousand dollars.
Chairman (interpretation): Page 7.
Community Government & Transportation, Capital, not previously authorized.
Community Government & Transportation, 3 million, 7 hundred thousand dollars, under special roles.
Are we on Page 7?
Chairperson (interpretation): Yes, page 7.
I would like to elaborate on the translations in Inuktitut.
Kimmirut, for a new sanitation site, 4 hundred thousand or 4 million thousand or 4 thousand?
So, just lower down.
Kimmirut.
New sanitation site again.
Those are the translations in Inuktitut.
These two are the same are they not, in Kimmirut, these new sanitation sites.
Perhaps the finance minister can elaborate to me the difference between the two and clarify to me. Although we understand it maybe he could clarify that so that translation could be corrected.
I know we’re under total department but it is a good question, so I will allow it to proceed.
I thank the member for pointing that out.
We had it pointed out earlier and we had found out that for item no. 4, Kimmirut, it is actually the new arena – design/construction, of three thousand dollars negative for that particular item that is wrong in the Inuktitut version.
Looking at this, 107 thousand dollars are over and above the appropriation.
Is this the complete figure yet?
Is this still under construction?
My concern is that I would like to see this completed.
You are probably aware of this, maybe the Minister of Community Government and Transportation knows about this as well.
Because up to today, it’s still not complete and the 107 thousand dollars is a remedial cost.
It looks like this amount is not enough.
I want further clarification on this.
Can the minister can clarify it for me.
So, this way I’ll have a clearer idea of this when I get home.
Mr. Chairman for all of the CGT projects that are negative adjustments, the total of 620 thousand dollars, what happened was the amounts were approved for a carryover into the current year, the 2002-2003 year.
But what actually happened was, that the Department of Community Government and Transportation did pay out invoices in the past current, sorry in the past year 2001-2002 year.
So in effect the carryover wasn’t required for this current year because the actual work had been paid for, or portions of the work had been paid for last year.
So that’s why this adjustment is here.
I guess I should go onto say that, it doesn’t mean necessarily that the jobs are finished, it is current year carryover so the work would be still continuing on this year.
That’s very clear now are you finished Mr. Havioyak.
Department of Community Government and Transportation Capital, special warrants.
Community Government, I’ll call both of them after we approve the other one. 3 million 700 thousand special warrant, agreed?
Chairman (interpretation): Going onto not previously authorized 3 million 934 thousand do you agree.
Chairperson (interpretation): Moving onto page 8, total Community Government, 3 million 700 thousand.
Chairperson (interpretation): 3 million, 934 thousand. Agreed?
Chairperson (interpretation): Transportation 1 million, 400 thousand. Agreed?
Chairman (interpretation): Not previously authorized 47 thousand do you agree?
Chairman (interpretation): Total Transportation 1 million 400 thousand do you agree?
Chairman (interpretation): Total Transportation 47 thousand, do you agree?
Chairman (interpretation): Total department 5 million, 100 thousand, do you agree?
Chairman (interpretation): Total department 3 million 981, thousand, do you agree?
Chairman (interpretation): Moving onto the next page, 9.
Culture, Language, Elders and Youth Capital not previously authorized.
Culture, Elders and Youth; 452 thousand do you agree?
Other comments I’m sorry.
So I apologize again.
Total Culture, Elders and Youth 452 thousand, do you agree?
Mr. Arvaluk (interpretation): I want clarification that the Trigram building was used by other departments too, and the new department, for example, when CLEY moved, there was some reconfiguration within their new offices and how about when CLEY moves to another building, or if another department moves, will it be up to the liking of that particular department?
Is that the usual case when different departments go to the building?
There are certain criteria that Department of Public Works and Services uses for office requirements, set space, finished material etc. that I’m not able to speak to but I certainly know that.
If they don’t meet those specifications and there are requests put out for estimates in the process of going through the funding process to try and identify how to address those needs.
Mr. Arvaluk (interpretation): Yes, they will keep them to the standards and criteria if it doesn’t meet the standard criteria of the Department of Public Works and Services, then it will have to be altered so that it meets those standards and criteria.
How are you now trying to settle the departments into permanent places so that we will not have to appropriate 452 thousand dollars on a yearly basis when we are moving around Iqaluit?
Please try and stick with the item here.
Generally yes, I mean obviously if the government doesn’t take a significant tenant improvement then in the end, it will revert to somebody else.
They want to make sure they maximize the benefit from that.
In this case for the Trigram building, the CLEY department has already said that there is sufficient office space for the next ten years for them for their departmental needs as a result of this project.
Chairperson (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Ng. That was the only person I had on my list.
CLEY, Culture, Elders and Youth not previously authorized 452 thousand.
Chairman (interpretation): Total department, total Culture, Elders and Youth 452 thousand do you agree?
Chairman (interpretation): Total department 452 thousand do you agree?
Education capital not previously authorized Corporate Services 48 thousand.
Is there comments do you agree?
Chairman (interpretation): Total Corporate Services 48 thousand dollars.
Total department 48 thousand do you agree?
Chairman (interpretation): Page 11.
Department of Health and Social Services Capital special warrants for Directorate 3 million 475 thousand dollars.
I just want to ask a question on this 2 million 420 thousand for current term fixtures and equipment for the three health facilities in the Kitikmeot, Kivalliq and Qikiqtani.
In the Kitikmeot and Kivalliq there’s a little over a million dollars each and then 200 thousand for Qikiqtani.
I know that these hospitals and health centres have even started construction on, they started a little bit of construction on the on in the Kivalliq.
Instead of buying equipment, furniture and fixtures why is that stuff being bought and ordered now before the construction of the facility pretty much has been started.
In fact Mr. Chairman there’s a in the Kitikmeot situation as well the foundation work is well underway for both the Kivalliq and Kitikmeot centre projects.
It’s important to note right now that they are approaching final design, nearing 100% design completion and at that time the specific (FFE for short after this), the furniture, fixtures and equipment have to be identified, in order to find out if there is no mistake or there is no specific issues of, for example, x-ray equipment, incinerator equipment that have to be installed during the construction phase.
So they have to be matched up, otherwise you end up with a significant costs afterwards in trying to make modifications to meet the equipment needs.
Chairperson (interpretation): Thank you, Minister Ng. You finally provided very good answer and we understood it clearly.
To go back to Health and Social Services for Capital, Directorate, Special Warrants. 3 million, 475 thousand dollars.
Any other comments. Do you agree?
Chairman (interpretation): Not previously authorized, 2 million, 420 thousand dollars.
Chairman (interpretation): Directorate. 3 million, 475 thousand dollars.
Chairman (interpretation): Not previously authorize, 2 million, 420 thousand dollars. Do you agree?
Chairman (interpretation): Total department, 3 million, 475 thousand dollars.  Some Members: Agreed.
Chairperson (interpretation): Not previously authorized, 2 million, 420 thousand dollars.
Turn the page to page 12.
Nunavut Housing Corporation. 10 million, do you agree?