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I wonder who decides to say Hunter is too drunk, you have to go, so those types of things.
Hunter could say to me, no, I’m not.
I’m just trying to make a statement here for what I’ve heard on the streets, but anyway I am just trying to point out, you know, sorry, hunters, I will use as an example.
Mr. Chairman, it is up to the employees of the licensing facility.
So, ultimately they will be the ones and the license holders will be the ones who will be charged for any potential over serving of alcohol products.
But having said that, I mean, obviously there is some, some parity, I guess, for interpretation and subjective review, I guess, that each individual would have to have and that is up to, really, the establishment to deal with their criteria and what they feel is appropriate or not.
Mr. Havioyak: Yes, I guess I will save it for the question or something like that, where you draw the lines between the two, drunk and very drunk.
But anyway, I just, you were saying, it goes case by case, I guess, depending on what the situation is.
Now, about bootlegging, in there, I just want to make a comment, maybe you could make comments after I say this.
It is about bootlegging.
You know, these bootleggers make some dollars and they make quite a bit and they put some money away and once they look at this here and they say, oh, it is only $5 thousand dollar fine, minimum.
So, I put $5 thousand dollar fine if I am going to go to court, I might as well continue bootlegging.
I am just trying to say, I guess, by saying maybe if we make it more, I do not know if it would be a bit more harsh by bringing, getting them to jail instead of having to fine them.
I am just trying to find ways, how we can make it more harsh, you know, that I am not trying to say that every person do this, but some, if I make enough money in one year that is more than $5 thousand dollars and I will continue to bootleg.
Maybe there is a way to fix that; I am sure to get the individuals, fining them on the first case, even bring them to jail for a few weeks or something.
It may be there is a comment on that.
Chairman: Thank you, Mr. Havioyak.
I guess, you know, we have put in what we think is reasonable to start, but having said that, I mean, I get anything else, I am in over the course of after implementation, we have to review to see if it is working or not or if we felt that it was too high or too low and then obviously make adjustments based on that review of the circumstances.
Just for Members’ assurances that I was not really paid off.
Does not matter what they have told you.
There were no cons in jails, innocent, too, eh?
Mr. Chairman, the Minister touched briefly on the topic that I wanted to raise and I know throughout some of the Committee’s deliberation under the Bill, there were some concerns that the maximum and minimum fines, someone said that they were not high enough.
There were other views, that’s why we have mandatory minimum fines because of the circumstances, like, who knows what could happen for something that could be a very minor offence and yet, you know, someone could end up now getting, having, because of the mandatory minimum fine of $5 thousand dollars, for example, that they get binged for $5 thousand dollars, even though it could have been a, you know, there is so many different circumstances that can happen out there on that.
I am just wondering, and I know that we have discussed with the Minister in the Committees, but I would like to ask him, as he has indicated, to review these things, and that they would determine over time, I guess, in an annual basis, to review them and say yes, we are happy with them because they were fine, or no we are going to change this because of, for whatever reason, or lower it, or reduce the minimum, or increase the maximum.
Whatever, if you can commit that they would look at doing on an annual basis?
In the Opening Comments, on the last paragraph, it talks about controlling bootlegging.
How can we find out if an individual is selling alcohol, by bootlegging?
How could we find out?
Hon. Kelvin Ng: The law enforcement officials with that matter, Mr. Chairman.
Obviously in our communities, there is general knowledge of who is in that type of illegal profession, or occupation, or trade, whatever you want to call it, but it is an issue of getting people to come forward.
Or having an individual who has evidence obtained against him, I know that they lay charges by the local RCMP’s.
Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Minister Ng. Mr. Alakannuark.
I was thinking, I know that they are bootlegging, for example, I will use myself if I try to bootleg, and if I am very secretive about it, I would never be caught.
If there was an inspector in the community at the local level than they could look around for bootleggers.
So I was quite a little bit taken aback.
I am not in support of bootlegging but the bootleggers, they sell their alcohol very secretively.
So therefore, I think that we need to strengthen this a little bit more.
Inspectors are more for licensed facilities and the RCMP is responsible for infractions by individuals for illegal sales.
Mr. Nutarak (interpretation): I am not a member of the Alcohol Committee and I am one of the people…I am not a member of the Committee that deals with this Liquor Act, that is why I do not know anything about this Bill.
As an individual person, or as a person from the outside and when you are not a lawyer, so therefore, you do not really understand the intent of the Bill. If I, no matter where I am, if I had drugs in my possession, then I could be arrested on the plane.
Or if I was the carrier, I could be arrested.
Bootleggers who sell alcohol, could I be charged if I had a possession of alcohol if they know that I am going to bootleg it?
You could be charged for illegal possession, depending on the circumstances.
Mr. Nutarak (interpretation): Yes, I am sure that it might mean the written content in English is very meaningful, but the translation in Inuktitut does not make it very clear.
If I’m staggering around and holding on to a bottle of alcohol, how would that be considered?
I was wondering if you could clarify that for me.
Hon. Kelvin Ng: That’s part of the Liquor Act but not the amendment that we’re dealing with Mr. Chairman.
Chairman (interpretation): Thank you, Minister Ng. According to my understanding if you can respond to the question, if an individual is selling alcohol, the buyer or the seller, if they’re caught, who would be charged for bootlegging, the buyer or the seller?
The offender, the seller, Mr. Chairman.
Bill 37, an Act to Amend the Liquor Act.
Are you on that page now?
I’m sure you have it in front of you.
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Chairman (interpretation): Do you agree that the Bill is ready for third reading?
Do you agree that Bill 37 is ready for third reading?
Chairman (interpretation): Bill 37 is completed.
Thank you, Minister Ng for appearing before the Committee.
You’re still smiling.
Two o’clock on a Friday.
Chairman (interpretation): I must be quite smiley today, everybody is noticing me smile today.
Mr. Speaker, there is a motion on the floor to report progress.
Mr. Speaker, you may come in now.
Chairman (interpretation): Mr. Speaker, your Committee has been considering Bill 43 and Bill 37 and would like to report that Bill 43 and Bill 37 are ready for third reading.
Mr. Speaker, I move that the Report of the Committee as a whole be concurred with.
Mr. Alakannuark seconds the motion.
Motion is in order. All those in favor?
Bill 37 - An Act to Amend the Nunavut Liquor Act – Third Reading
Bill 43 - An Act to Amend the Income Tax Act – Third Reading
Hon. Kelvin Ng: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move, seconded by the Honourable Member for Hudson Bay that Bill 37 an Act to Amend the Nunavut Liquor Act and Bill 43 an Act to Amend the Income Tax Act be read for the third time.
All those in favor?
The motion is carried and the Bill has had third reading. Item 21. Third Reading of Bills.
Mr. Quirke
Reminder of the meeting of the Standing Committee Ajauqtiit at half past two in the Nanuq Room.
The meeting of the Standing Committee for Sustainable Development tomorrow at 10:00 o’clock in the Nanuq Room.
The meeting of the Standing Committee on Government Operations on Monday morning at 10 o’clock in Tuktu.
Orders for the Day for Monday, November 3rd, 2003:
Once again to remind all the motorists to watch out for children tonight who are trick or treating.
This House stands adjourned until Monday, November 3rd, 2003 at 1:30 pm.
DAY 67
Monday November 3, 2003
Pages 4397 – 4449
Returns to Oral Questions 4071
Notices of Motions 4071
Motions 4071
Monday November 3, 2003 4071
214 – 1(6): Team Nunavut’s Cultural Delegation for 2004 Arctic Winter Games (Kilabuk) 4071
215 – 1(6): Mining Industry (Akesuk) 4071
216 – 1(6): Inuktitut/Inuinnaqtun Uqauttin (Language Week) Youth Poster Challenge (Kilabuk) 4071
217 – 1(6): Minister Ng, Thompson and Okalik Absent (Picco) 4071
696 – 1(6): Nunavummiut Today as a Government (Puqiqnak) 4071
697 – 1(6): Nunavummiut a Priority Consideration for Contracting (Anawak) 4071
698 – 1(6): Wrestling Medal Winners (Netser) 4071
699 – 1(6): Adjustments to Rental Scales (Nutarak) 4071
700 – 1(6): Concern About Income Support Policy (Havioyak) 4071
701 – 1(6): Recalling the Past (Alakannuaq) 4071
702 – 1(6): Pangnirtung Trip Concerns of Pangnirtung Residents – Rent and Power (Iqaqrialu) 4071
703 – 1(6): Launching of Rocket – Concern of Communication (Williams) 4071
704 – 1(6): Suicide in Nunavut Higher than Ever (McLean) 4071
705 – 1(6): NTI Annual General Meeting in Sanikiluaq (Kattuk) 4071
706 – 1(6): Fund Raising Program for Joamie School Cultural and Land Program (Picco) 4071
707 -1(6): Pangnirtung Trip (Kilabuk) 4071
Return to Oral Question 598 – 1(6): Update on Fuel Situation in Hall Beach (Kattuk) 4071
676 – 1(6): Art Classes for Students (Nutarak) 4071
677 – 1(6): Late Payments for Power Bills (Iqaqrialu) 4071
678 – 1(6): Oil and Gas Exploration (Anawak) 4071
679 – 1(6): Starting Up an Outpost Camp (Puqiqnak) 4071
680 – 1(6): Update on Nanisivik Mine Cleanup (Williams) 4071
681 – 1(6): Kitikmeot Patients a Priority of the Lena Pederson Home (Havioyak) 4071
682 – 1(6): NPC Housing and Capital Projects (Tootoo) 4071
683 – 1(6): 2003 Deficit of Power Corporation (McLean) 4071
684 – 1(6): Inuit Hired as Counsellors (Alakannuaq) 4071
685 – 1 (6): Polar Bear Study (Nutarak) 4071
021 – 1(6): Bill 42, An Act to Amend the Labour Standards Act – COW Review of Bill (Iqaqrialu) 4071
147 – 1(6): Qulliit Nunavut Status of Women 2002/2003 Annual Report (Kilabuk) 4071
030 – 1(6): Extended Adjournment – Notice (McLean) 4071
030 – 1(6): Extended Adjournment (McLean) 4071
Bill 40 – An Act to Amend the Northwest Territories Credit Corporation Act – Third Reading 4071
Bill 33 – The Tobacco Control Act – Third Reading 4071
Bill 42 – An Act to Amend the Labour Standards Act – Third Reading 4071
Honourable Olayuk Akesuk, Mr. Ovide Alakannuark, Mr. Jack Anawak, Mr. Donald Havioyak, Mr. David Iqaqrialu, Honourable Peter Kattuk, Honourable Peter Kilabuk, Mr. Glenn McLean, Mr. Patterk Netser, Mr. Jobie Nutarak, Honourable Kevin O’Brien, Honourable Ed Picco, Mr. Uriash Puqiqnak, Mr. Hunter Tootoo, Ms. Rebekah Williams.
Speaker: I would like to call on Mr. Alakannuark to say the prayer this afternoon.
Minister’s Statement 214 – 1(6): Team Nunavut’s Cultural Delegation for 2004 Arctic Winter Games
Mr. Speaker, as the Minister for Culture, Language, Elders and Youth I am pleased to announce the names of the youth who have been chosen to join team Nunavut as the Cultural Delegation for 2004 Arctic Winter Games in Wood Buffalo, Alberta.
The Cultural Delegates we will be sending are; Olivia Tagalik, Joe Owingayok, Freida Nibgorarsi, Mary Nibgorarsi, Charlotte Kuksuk, Natasha Tattuinee, John Paddy Illungiayok and Leo Ussak.
These youth have been given the opportunity to travel to Wood Buffalo, Alberta for the Arctic Winter Games from February 28th to March the 6th and demonstrate Nunavut’s traditional arts.
People from across Canada as well as from around the world will be attending or participating in the games and will have the opportunity to see these young people performing and visual artists from Nunavut.
Team Nunavut Cultural Delegation gives youth the opportunity to promote Nunavut and showcase out rich heritage.
It also offers these youth the chance to travel and learn about the rest of the world.
It is our responsibility to instil pride in who they are and where they come from.
We must nurture them and provide them with opportunities to grow and learn.
It gives me great pleasure, Mr. Speaker, to provide such an opportunity to the youth of Nunavut.
Minister’s Statement 215 – 1(6): Mining Industry
Good afternoon my constituents.
Mr. Speaker, recently the 7th Nunavut Mining Symposium was held here in Iqaluit.
The Symposium provided an opportunity for industry, government, Inuit organizations, community organizations and delegates to update each other on the current status of projects, regulatory issues and many other subjects.
(interpretation ends) Feedback from industry and other participants was extremely positive.
This symposium attracted 130 delegates and resulted in new training and science committees being formed.
Also, prospectors from several communities were present to display samples and promote their grassroots exploration ventures.
I would also like to take this opportunity to provide Members with an update on mineral exploration activities within the territory.
As you are aware, Mr. Speaker, the current status of Nunavut’s mineral industry marks both the end of an era and a beginning of a new one.
All three operating mines in the territory are now closed and in the reclamation process.
These closures mark the end of a quarter-century of mining in Nunavut.
(interpretation) But a new era of increased investors confidence has also begun.
Since 1999, exploration expenditures have risen from $35 million to a projected $90 million for this year.
Three exploration projects are in various stages of the permitting process and the first of those projects could be in production within two years.
(interpretation ends) Finally, Mr. Speaker, my department will soon be completing a discussion paper titled Towards a Mineral Exploration and Mining Strategy for Nunavut.
This paper will provide government with the framework to build a comprehensive mineral exploration and mining strategy that reflects our vision.
This document will be based on a comparative approach with policy from a wide variety of jurisdictions and it is intended to promote dialogue leading to a final Government of Nunavut strategy on exploration and mining.
Minister’s Statement 216 – 1(6): Inuktitut/Inuinnaqtun Uqauttin (Language Week) Youth Poster Challenge
Mr. Speaker, in order to ensure the survival of our traditional Inuit language and Inuinnaqtun, our youth must be made aware of how important language is to our culture.
They must be encouraged to speak from as early an age as possible, and we must reinforce pride in their traditional language throughout their schooling.
As part of the Department of Culture, Language, Elders and Youth’s contribution to Inuktitut and Inuinnaqtun Uqauttin, we invited youth from throughout Nunavut to submit posters expressing what the traditional language means to them.
The department received hundreds of posters from across Nunavut.
Four were selected, one from primary, elementary, junior high and high school levels.
It gives me great pleasure to announce the winning posters; Joseph, Kilabuk, grade three, from Alookie School in Pangnirtung promoting the message “I like the Inuktitut language because it is our language”; Kyle McLean, grade six, from Rachel Arngnammaktiq School in Baker Lake with the message, “Keep our culture alive”; Kathleen Merritt, grade eight, from Alaittuq High School in Rankin Inlet, telling people “When you talk to your children in Inuktitut, it keeps our language alive”; and Bobby Misheralak, grade 10, from Inukshuk High School in Iqaluit letting people know “Inuit don’t have to loose their language.”
The intention of the contest was to find a message that captures how youth of Nunavut feel regarding the traditional Inuit language and share this message with the rest of the youth in the territory.
We are delivering their message of pride with traditional Inuit language, from youth, for youth.
Mr. Speaker, the department is currently working on new initiatives for Inuktitut and Inuinnaqtun Uqauttin 2004, which will contribute to the promotion of Nunavut’s traditional language.
I invite my colleagues and you Mr. Speaker, to view the work of the four winners of the youth poster challenge, which are on display in the lobby of the Legislative Assembly.
Their posters have been reproduced as full size posters that have been distributed by the department to all schools in Nunavut.
Minister’s Statement 217 – 1(6): Minister Ng, Thompson and Okalik Absent
Mr. Speaker, I would like to inform the House that Minister Thompson, Minister Ng and Premier Okalik will be away for part of this afternoon but they should be here around 4:00 this afternoon.
Member’s Statement 696 – 1(6): Nunavummiut Today as a Government
Mr. Speaker, I rise today to talk about Nunavummiut and my constituents to be able to try to reach the goals of what the needs of the people are.
On April 1, 1999 when Nunavut became a Government, the nineteen of us were elected to represent the people of Nunavut.
Those first few years were very important for us and for the people of Nunavut.
The people out there were hopeful that as Members of the Legislative Assembly that we were given the task to do things that they needed for us to do.
We have been here for four years now representing the people of Nunavut and now the people expect, since the time we became Members, that they would have more strength and be able to stand up for ourselves and to be able to negotiate with the Federal Government.
Mr. Speaker, I am especially proud of our ancestors who worked very hard to try to stay alive and they looked after their children in a cold climate.
If it was not for them, we would not be here and I am very grateful for that.
At that time when we became the Government of Nunavut, we have seen many changes such as Legislation that has nothing to do with the people of Nunavut and the things that we did not expect.
When we created ITC it was an entity that we created to create a future for our people.
Mr. Speaker, the issue of same sex marriage is a topic we are dealing with today.
When there is, Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my Statement.
Mr. Puqiqnak (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you Members.
When we were growing up we used to go out hunting together as friends, male to male.
I know we did not think about any other thing except to go hunting.
So, I would like to be able to ask my fellow Members to be a friend with me and to stand up and be friends together.
We are very good friends, according to our Inuit Qaujimajatuqangit, we are just friends, we are both hunters and we want to go hunting together.
In short, there is a law according to Inuit ways, but then the law does not say anything about having to marry each other and to adopt children together. That is not what it says according to Inuit Qaujimajatuqangit.
There are different things that come about now since we became a Government.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to say to the Members of the Legislative Assembly, we were elected to this House to represent our Constituents.
We do not have to approve things that we do not want to approve in this House.
We know that there are two women here at the Legislature who cannot live together, but if they were really good friends, they would have the same point of view.
We too, as males cannot live in the same house.
Even if it is like that, we are all friends.
So, when we get new laws as a Government from other Governments, we are told to approve laws that we did not create and I feel that we do not have to agree with the people who are telling us to approve the Legislation that we are not going to use.
Member’s Statement 697 – 1(6): Nunavummiut a Priority Consideration for Contracting
First of all I want to recognize Jean Kusugak, whom I call my sister-in-law in the old Inuit naming tradition.
I am named after the little one over there, who is her son.
And Steve Maksagak, who is also the Mayor of Repulse Bay.
Just a couple of days ago during question period, the Government kept stating that they are going to be giving priority consideration to local contractors and companies in awarding contracts.
Sometime today, or some other day, I am going to be asking questions regarding the number of contracts that were awarded to locally owned companies or businesses for construction, etc.
This has been mentioned in more than one place during our Session.
I am very glad that a contract was awarded in Rankin Inlet for the health facility.
But what I would like to know is how many other communities were treated in this manner when awarding contracts to construct buildings?
We have heard that this is the case for more than one Minister.
If we give full support to the locally owned businesses, then please, award those contracts to the locally owned businesses, as a Government, so that we as a government will practice what we preach.
Member’s Statement 698 – 1(6): Wrestling Medal Winners
During this past week we had delegations from communities to compete in wrestling.
(interpretation ends) Mr. Speaker, I am very pleased to share with the Members today the results of this weekend’s wrestling territorials which took place in the Inukshuk High School here in Iqaluit.
Mr. Speaker, the team from Coral Harbour once again, demonstrated its strength and dedication winning a total of 12 medals this weekend and capturing first place overall.
Truly a dynasty, just like the Montreal Canadians.
Mr. Speaker, the gold medal winners were, be quiet. Mr. Speaker, the gold medal winners were Davidee Adams, Patrick Adams, Johnny Eetuk, Abraham Owpaluk, Erica Shimout and Joanne Nakoolak. The silver medal winners were Logan Kadlak, Nicotee Nakoolak, Troy Netser, Bernice Alogut, and the bronze medal winners were Matthew Netser and Laura Kadlak.
Mr. Speaker, Patrick, Johnny, Nicotee, Erica, and Joanne will be competing on Team Nunavut in next year’s Arctic Winter Games.
I want to pay tribute to the hard work of their coach, Coral Harbour resident and teacher, Bruce McKitrick, who has demonstrated great leadership for the team.
Mr. Speaker, the Inuit of Coral Harbour have consistently shown that the strength that comes from believing in yourself can take you to the top.
I ask all Members to join me in congratulating the team on their successful results.
Member’s Statement 699 – 1(6): Adjustments to Rental Scales
In Nunavut, there has to be an adjustment to the rental scales for public housing.
We know that there has to be operations and maintenance dollars but there are people who cannot find a job but still have to pay rent as long as there is a wage earner who is residing in that rental unit.
A young person who is 15 years old will have to pay a portion of the rent and the Housing Corporation has a policy where it says that they can only get a rental unit when they’re 19 years old.
There has to be an adjustment to the rental scale so that the 15 year old and the 19 year old discrepancy can be resolved.
I did hear that there are probably going to be no further adjustments made from the one that became implemented last year in January.
If we were to urge our Premier to look into this policy, I believe that we will have to table a motion so that there could be a re-adjustment in this age bracket.
Member’s Statement 700 – 1(6): Concern About Income Support Policy
Greetings to those in Kugluktuk and those who are viewing the session and we’ll be coming home soon.