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I do not think the communities have the same standard design.
Perhaps if you could answer this question as well.
Like I mentioned the arenas are sort of standardized, perhaps somewhat different in some communities but most of them are standard designs.
That is not too much of a problem whether the design is standard or not.
As soon as the funding is approved then we will order the material and as soon as the material arrives in the community then the construction would start immediately.
I spoke with the Hamlet Council and asked them about the lot and they have since changed the place where they are going to build the arena.
For this reason I think they have to clean up the garbage site at this time.
Like we all know as soon as the budget is approved and there is some funding to do the clean up of the garbage site, we hope that as soon as the capital estimates are approved by the Legislative Assembly we would order the material for the construction and for the clean up of the garbage site.
When the material comes into the community the construction would start immediately.
This will be a little bit different question that I will ask the minister.
Some arenas in the communities have problems with the ice.
Sometimes the ice conditions are not adequate and they can only start putting the ice into the arenas later.
I just wondered whether they would be putting artificial ice into the arena in Kimmirut.
I just wondered if they would be able to provide us with artificial ice for the arena in Kimmirut.
We feel that at this time, I have already spoken to someone in Rankin Inlet and we were talking about the subject in Rankin Inlet.
I am just talking about Rankin Inlet at this time.
The Hamlet of Rankin Inlet has extra funds that they have collected themselves to provide artificial ice.
At this time we don't have any arrangements with another private company to do the same thing for the arena in question in Kimmirut.
I also talked about this before, that I know that the communities have different weather patterns in each community.
So I can't really say right now that we would provide artificial ice for that arena but perhaps maybe in the near future we would be able to provide artificial ice for the community arenas but at this time we can't say that we can do that.
Mr. Nutarak do you have any comments or questions.
Mr. Nutarak (interpretation): I have a question Mr. Chairman, about the 900 thousand dollars for Kimmirut.
Is Kimmirut a new arena, is the design completed.
I think it is about 9 times more than the Pond Inlet plans.
Why is it so much more.
Ms. Keenainak.
Ms. Keenainak (interpretation): Thank you Mr. Chairman.
Regarding the 900 thousand dollars for the design of the Kimmirut arena, when the design is completed then they would order the material for the arena and the construction of the arena.
They have to do the foundation of the arena as well.
That is what the money is going to be used for.
Chairperson (interpretation): Thank you Ms. Keenainak.
I am sorry for pronouncing your name wrong.
Are there any more questions.
Mr. Nutarak (interpretation): Lastly Mr. Chairman, I just wondered why the plan and design for Pond Inlet is only 100 thousand and the Kimmirut design is way more, 900 thousand dollars.
Because the arena is included, the material that has to be ordered for Kimmirut.
In Pond Inlet it is just for the planning and the design of the new arena retrofit.
After we do the planning and the design we would provide further funding thereafter.
In Kimmirut it is the construction part of it but in Pond Inlet they do not include the construction.
Mr. Nutarak (interpretation): We are talking about the two arenas and I think I understand the one is more expensive than the other is.
One is less than 50 thousand.
I just wondered if it is the size that makes the difference in funding.
Hon. Jack Anawak (interpretation): Yes, thank you Mr. Chairman.
I forgot to mention that because the other one does not produce ice, I have used that arena before in Pond Inlet and for that reason we feel that the arena in Pond Inlet has to be retrofitted.
The arena in Kimmirut is the same standard size but I realize that some of them have been expanded, but perhaps to use Coral Harbour as an example.
They got an arena and they did an expansion by using their own money.
It is a standard size.
Perhaps if you are going to be responding Mr. Minister, you could just keep your comments limited.
I would like to ask a question about artificial ice that could be put into any rink.
I would like to know if there is going to be artificial ice in the arenas, how is this going to be done.
I believe that this is going to happen in my community as well.
I would like to know if there is going to be artificial ice for all of the rinks.
Hon. Jack Anawak (interpretation): At this time we have not put in any plans as to which community would receive artificial ice, but we have mentioned Sanikiluaq and Rankin Inlet and Cambridge Bay.
Because we do not have enough money in the capital estimates, but the question that I have asked myself is exactly when we will be considering when we could help the arenas to get artificial ice.
Perhaps to install something that freezes the ice faster.
As the Member for Rankin Inlet, we have a mining company, WMC working close to the community of Rankin Inlet.
Perhaps the companies usually look for ways to not have to pay taxes, so perhaps they won't wait for us and try to help out by providing infrastructure or providing artificial ice for our community.
I will use this as an example.
The WMC mining company, I have asked them myself to see if they could consider putting artificial ice into the community of Rankin Inlet or at least see if they could help getting artificial ice.
So if some communities have companies close to their communities, instead of waiting for us or instead of just asking the government, they could perhaps do the same thing.
As a government we do not have that kind of funding as of yet and we just have a limited budget for all the communities and the whole region of Nunavut.
So this is what they can do.
We are under detail of capital, Baffin region.
We will be getting into the Kivalliq and the Kitikmeot regions.
I know that all the communities are equal in Nunavut.
You mentioned, I feel for example, five years have passed and the arena in Kugluktuk cannot be used until January.
I am sure that you are aware of this and we cannot use the arenas until late winter.
I feel that we should know all about these.
I apologize, I stated that it takes longer for the ice to form in Kugluktuk.
To me you are Mr. Savioyak.
Hon. Jack Anawak (interpretation): I was stating that a private business owner approached us to see if there would be a possibility of a P-3 project happening in Rankin Inlet.
We said to him that we would look into this further, namely Rankin Inlet and Cambridge Bay, in each region.
I was using these regional centres as an example.
All the surrounding communities do go to these communities.
They have regional sports happening.
I did indicate to WMC that we would look into working together and he meant to take on this project I said that we might be able to provide some contribution into the project.
The project that I am talking about may not go ahead as planned, as we have not allocated any funding for that project.
It is only in the planning stages at this point in time.
We are trying to see how we could construct an arena at the cheapest cost so that they could run more efficiently in the communities.
We all know that sports are very good for young people and for that reason we are looking into this matter further.
We have not said that we would go into this project immediately.
Rankin Inlet and Cambridge Bay are two regional centres and for that reason we have discussed this item as well.
My question is to the Kitikmeot.
I will raise another question.
The Member for Natillik asked me to raise this question under the Kitikmeot region and I will raise my question then.
One of the first arenas built in the Kivalliq was built by Arviat.
They had a great SAO there by the name of Ralph King who through his fiscal austerity and good planning they had a surplus and they built their arena from the Hamlet surplus.
He is not with us any more today but I feel that he was a visionary and he worked to make the communities independent.
It was probably one of the earliest forms of community empowerment, taking their surplus and building their own arena.
After that happened, the old GNWT saw that building arenas in communities was a great idea and they had lots of money at the time so they started building arenas all over Nunavut and we are where we are today.
I think we can all agree that they provide an outlet in a community that really helps the community mentally, physically and every other way.
I cannot believe sometimes the debates that we get into about artificial ice and who gets it and who doesn't get it.
Like, my colleague from Sanikiluaq, they spent I don't know how many millions of dollars putting in a facility there and when they build facilities in that part of the country there is obviously a need for artificial ice.
That's how I guess this debate got started, because he could only use his arena for four to six weeks a year.
Now if we are going to build arenas that are not functional and turn out to be bingo parlours and dance halls, well then so be it.
But in a place like Sanikiluaq I think that I can sit here, and I live in Baker Lake, but I think they need artificial ice.
Because I know how important an arena is to the community in regards to utilizing it and I think if Sanikiluaq can utilize their arena for six or seven months of the year, I think it would probably help everybody.
Maybe some day we will have a few NHL players come out of this country, because I certainly think that if we give them the tools that they will be able to do it.
Now the circumstances surrounding the Rankin artificial ice, a group of business people in that community have decided upon themselves that, hey we can extend the season here for another two or three months, run hockey schools and people from my community can go to the hockey schools and Arviat and things like that.
Bring the expertise up north rather than try to send 20 or 30 kids south to hockey schools.
So artificial ice I think, for the cost involved of anywhere from 250 to 300 thousand dollars is a good idea in some communities.
I know that Sanikiluaq probably can't raise that much money to contribute towards artificial ice.
We went through this earlier in the week in regards to the Cambridge Bay School and they want a larger gym, and that is a regional centre and they can afford to contribute some of the costs of this project.
On the Rankin Inlet scene, I go through there and the guys say, Glenn you know artificial ice would be great in Rankin Inlet because we could run regional hockey schools, territorial trials and other functions.
They could probably raise or somehow finance that project.
But then again there are probably other communities that can't afford to raise that kind of money as much as a Rankin Inlet or a Cambridge Bay or an Iqaluit or a place like that.
I think that the department has to form a policy on artificial ice, and if a community can fast track and raise more money than another community then I think it should be considered.
When we built these buildings 15 or 20 years ago, we didn't think we would need artificial ice, but like we heard the minister say, global warming is a fact and if we are going to build these facilities then we should build them so that we can utilize them for what they are for.
I think looking at 250 thousand to put artificial ice into a community arena to utilize it for the children that we keep talking about in the future of our great territory, we should look at things like this.
When the arenas are closed down they turn into bingo parlours and I don't think that's what we built them for.
We built them for health reasons.
I myself don't know where my community is on artificial ice, it hasn’t been a topic yet, because we live farther inland and it is colder and we have ice by the end of October until the end of May.
We seem to be content that 7 or 8 million dollars is enough ice for us.
But I hope the department would draft a policy, but when you are drafting that policy you people at the table have more northern experience than anybody.
You know that the climate in Sanikiluaq is a little warmer than the climate in Resolute Bay or the climate in Kimmirut is a little warmer than in Grise Fiord.
I think it is something that we have to move forward to and I really don't know what all the debate is about.
I think artificial ice is a reality of life now in the arctic.
I know many people down south would probably laugh at us, a lot of the arenas down south have ice for 12 months of the year.
Like I say, some day if we can agree and a policy is in place that we can install artificial ice through corporate donations or community fund raising or through bingo's which are always being held in our community halls, that some day we may have some NHL players come out of Nunavut, which I would be very proud of.
So when you are forming a policy on artificial ice, leave it open, let's not say because so and so gets artificial ice, I should get it.
That's where I am getting back to what I earlier said where the first arena in the Kivalliq was built by someone with vision and it was a great idea and they used their surplus where all the arena after that came from the government.
Sometimes we shouldn't always run to the government to do everything.
Like the Bathurst Mandate says, self-sufficiency, let's stand up on our own two feet and if a community can raise 20 or 30% of the project, let's not jump on them, let's support them.
We are under Baffin region.
We enjoyed your words, Mr. McLean.
In looking at an experiment like trying to see if artificial ice is affordable, if we had the ability as a department I wouldn't hesitate in an instant to look at an arena that we would be building if the capital budget was approved for Kimmirut.
I fully agree with the member that is probably another area that we should look at very soon, whether it is Kimmirut or Cape Dorset, because they are further down south than most of the communities.
So, again, I fully agree with the member that just spoke, let's not get too hung up on a particular number in a community but let's look at common sense issues and come up with ideas that basically serve the needs of that community or serves the needs of Nunavummiut.
So I thank the member for his comments because it is something that we have to look at now.
I was just driving down yesterday in the water, I mean this is the beginning of April and when I was growing up late May was usually the time that we started walking in water.
So those kinds of things we have to think of and certainly I will be asking for the members' comments about when we are developing a policy in areas like artificial ice.
We will go back to Baffin region.
Total Baffin region.
Are there any more questions regarding the Baffin region. If there are no more questions.
Under Pangnirtung sewage lagoon, capital estimates 2000/2001.
Eight hundred thousand and future years, 2 million, prior years 400 thousand for a total project cost of 3 million 200 thousand.
We have regulatory bodies in place right now like the Nunavut Water Board, Nunavut Impact Review Board.
I suspect that this project was recommended by them.
Ms. Keenainak: Thank you Mr. Chairman.
The regulatory bodies have been consulted on this particular project.
The Nunavut Water Board recommended the construction of this new sewage lagoon or was this initiated on behalf of your own departments.
Chairperson (interpretation): Thank you Mr. McLean. Mr. Ferris.
In Pangnirtung we have been dumping raw sewage into a little holding pond.
There is no holding pond and it has been running down into Pangnirtung Fiord.
So we have been under environmental instructions for some time to put a proper facility in place and that's why it is a priority item in the planning cycle.
Chairperson (interpretation): Thank you Mr. Ferris. Mr. McLean.
I hope the Nunavut Water Board has been involved in this and they approve of what's being constructed here, because if they don't then we are going to be in a situation where we are here in Iqaluit.
Mr. Chairman, as Rosemary pointed out the regulatory authorities have reviewed the project and it does fit within the parameters that they have given us.
Mr. McLean: Is there a plan for Nunavut or all the sewage lagoons that we have.
Is there a master plan for what communities are involved this type of projects because with the regulatory bodies in place now and they are being very good at what they are doing lately according to the newspapers.
Is there a plan for all of Nunavut to make sure that no rules or laws are broken and no lakes or rivers are polluted at this time.
Or is your department working on one.
I have to listen closely to what you say and I have to keep this thing pressed, although it is a tiring job.
Mr. Ferris: The Department is starting to look very seriously at a long-term program for sewage and how it is treated.
We are looking at other options because our belief is before long dumping sewage in holding ponds is not going to acceptable.
I was involved in briefing this week with the Federal Treasury Board on the Municipal infrastructure dollars and they have what is called the Municipal Green Plan and there will be dollars.
We do not know amounts but there will be dollars in there to do environmental work in the area of sewage.
In the area of providing safe waters in the communities and in the area of sanitation and we will follow up on it very closely.
Thank you, Mr. Chairperson.  Chairperson (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Ferris.
Do you wish to add to that Mr. Anawak.
Hon. Jack Anawak (interpretation): Looking at the figures here for Pangnirtung, that might not be necessarily be that much.
If any of you have been in Pangnirtung you know the terrain.
It might be even better for us to ask Peter Kilabuk, the MLA for Pangnirtung how that came to be where the sewage lagoon might be, and why it might be.
If that is ok for the Member for Pangnirtung.
I believe he has the best information to give us information on.
Before he responds I would like Mr. McLean to speak.
On dumps sites after sewage lagoons.
Mr. Kilabuk, Member for Pangnirtung.
Please give us that information.
Hon. Peter Kilabuk (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairperson.
Thank you to our fellow member for raising this question and asking for my input.
What happened in Pangnirtung was we were looking for a location for our sewage lagoon, which was right above the dump.
So we located a certain part of the land that would be a sewage lagoon but at the time I happened to be the Chairman for the Fisheries and Oceans Committee and there are extreme high winds that occur in Pangnirtung and it is very close.
But we noticed anyway that during the summer time because due to the high winds we get sand storms and we saw that this water reservoir soon be ruined if it stayed in that location.
Then the Fisheries and Oceans people that I had worked with said that they have to close down that water reservoir because of the pollutants that were coming out from the tailings from the fish plant.
But if you look at Pangnirtung it is very mountainous and if you look at it by the shore.
There is an adequate looking spot over there that is not to close to the community itself.
So I hope this explains a little bit on what history was behind the sewage lagoon and the water reservoir and what the factors were in relocating that sewage lagoon.
Chairperson (interpretation): Thank you Member for Pangnirtung.
I think he can understand the situation by now.
Total Headquarters region.
Old dumps like plans and closure plans for instance.
Flying into Rankin Inlet you happen to fly right over the dump there and it is one of the ugliest sites in Nunavut.
When we are flying over you can see bags of garbage and barrels and smoke drifting over the community.
Then I get on a plane and fly this way.
I was at one of Ed Picco’s neighbour’s house the other night visiting and he had his window open and I had the nice beautiful evening with the smell of burning rubber and garbage whiffing in to the kitchen.
You can really appreciate it.
Such a beautiful view outside his neighbour’s window spoiled by the burning garbage.
I know that the burning garbage has been a big issue in this community and I know it is probably going to be a big issue in Rankin Inlet.
Again is there any kind of plan in place for dumpsites in Nunavut to locate them probably less desirable areas at the end of airstrips or in neighbourhoods and stuff like that.
Is your Department working on a policy again on fixing some of dumpsites that are less appealing to people.
You were given ample time to do to your general comments.
At this time we are under capital estimates.
We are in detail on capital estimates.
I think you should stick to the subjects to the detail of capital because you were given ample opportunity for general comments and general questions.
Detail of capital.
Capital estimates.
Total Baffin region. 4 million and 205 thousand.
My memory is not as good as it use to be years ago.
When I make opening comments I can not put everything there because it might take me three hours.
So I wish you would be patient with me when I am going through the detail and asking question because when I see old dump sites and stuff like that than my mind comes alive again.
Then I would like to ask more questions.
The questions that I ask are very important to me because I am not trying to do anything out of the ordinary.
Good of you to inform me because I too have procedures to abide by as your Chairperson.
It is my responsibility to follow procedures.
Mr. Anawak do you have further responses.
At this time it used to be that we just use to go ahead and burn our garbage.
I do not think we are aware of what we dump nowadays, be it pop cans or just everything brought to the dump.
It is burnt and probably some of it is affecting the atmosphere.
I think we have to be ecologically aware.
Although we have not discussed this in our Department it is an on-going concern.
With the Federal Government we have to be more environmentally aware and correct.
Perhaps the Minister of Health and Social Services can help us come up with ideas that we can do to fund raise to be more ecologically correct and to be more healthy toward our environment.
We need to see if we can use other options aside from just burning our garbage because this is quite a health hazard although our landmass is a huge amount.
All this pollution has to be a concern and because it should affect everyone’s future.
Because of these reasons one would think using common sense and by listening to Mr. McLean that burning garbage adjacent to communities is not so good unless perhaps they relocate farther away.
But no matter where the location is ultimately smoke rises and it still created pollutants and we have to start considering things in that light.
I am taking about whether we can get an incinerators which is a more healthful way of dealing with garbage especially when you have to burn garbage for things like paper and pop cans.
Especially when they are so numerous.
You have to be environmentally aware of these things.
I just want to repeat that to the Member.
Chairperson (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Minister Anawak.
Back to total Baffin region. 4 million 205 thousand.
Hon. Jack Anawak (interpretation): Where do you get your numbers.
They are different from mine.
I have 4 million 478 thousand.
Chairperson (interpretation): Mr. Anawak under capital estimates.
Page 7-5.
It is probably the same in English.
Did you find it yet.
Let me find out if he can find his.
Hon. Jack Anawak (interpretation): I am sorry.
I was looking at another binder.
Total Baffin region. 4 million 205 thousand.
All those against.
Next page. 7-6. Community Government & Transportation branch summery.
Kivalliq region.
Total Kivalliq region. 512 thousand.
Total Kitikmeot region. 280 thousand.
Mr. Akesuk (interpretation): I am sorry Mr. Chairperson.
I just want to ask on behalf of Nattilik MLA.