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Can you shorten your questions or your preamble before you ask the question.
Because you talked for about five minutes.
Hon. Jack Anawak: I didn't say that we would not take them up.
Obviously if we are going to help fund a program that the community wants to do, we have to make sure that it's not going to negatively affect the community.
For the member's concern about, let's say Rankin Inlet, the Rankin Inlet swimming pool was initiated by the community and funds were raised by the community and I believe that it is operated by the community without necessarily the involvement of the government.
What I said about swimming pools, what I was referring to was that there are portable swimming pools, that the GNWT had at one time where they had portable swimming pools and then the money ran out so they weren't putting them up any more even though the portable swimming pools were still in the communities.
If the community wants to try and go back into the portable swimming pool program, then we would want to take a look at their proposal where they spent some of the money and if we could help out.
But what I can say is that whatever project we may want to do under this program we again, we do not want to place undue financial burden on the hamlet as a result of us assisting on something like this.
Because again, to go back to the member's comment earlier, we are also looking at, as he said, the municipal financing, we are having a municipal financing review, to see how communities could better utilize the funding that they get from the government, or to have more freedom on the funding that they get from the government.
This would allow them to maybe do more projects like what we are discussing here.
I have been giving you a lot of freedom but I am going to have to stop some of the questioning.
Three hundred thousand dollars planned for five years will be about 1.5.
The 300 thousand for recreation facilities does it have a limit to the 300 thousand or can you add some more to it for contributions or grants.
Chairperson (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Nutarak. Mr. Minister.
At this time the funding is allotted for five years.
This would be for pilot projects for communities that have other sources of funds.
Only 300 thousand has been allotted and I cannot go beyond the 300 thousand dollars without the approval of the cabinet.
Mr. Nutarak (interpretation): I would like to ask for further clarification.
There is 1.5 million allotted over five years.
Hon. Jack Anawak (interpretation): What I am saying is if we are going to get supplementary funding added to the 300 thousand, I have to get approval for that.
What you have in front of you is a budget of 300 thousand dollars a year for 5 years totalling the 1.5 million.
Mr. Nutarak (interpretation): Under the capital estimates, if it's 1.5, would it be allotted for five years.
In this budget, as I said, you are being asked to approve only the 300 thousand dollars.
The rest is just in the planning process.
Chairperson (interpretation): Any further questions.
There are no more names for questions.
Hopefully one last question.
When the department receives these proposals, I guess will it look at any possible impact that a change in a facility could have.
If you change the purpose of a facility, there's different codes and things that have to change as well and I'm just wondering if that's something as well that could have other costs other than just the amount under that project that's listed there.
It could have additional implications on the department and I'm just wondering if that's something that is taken into consideration when reviewing these proposals as well.
Hon. Jack Anawak: Mr. Chairman, if a community put forward a proposal, and I think the communities are sophisticated enough to understand that if they put forward a proposal, they would have to ensure that those kinds of things are taken into account before they even give it to Community Government and Transportation.
However, should they fail to do so, then we would take a look at it. But I would think that the hamlets are knowledgeable enough about those particular concerns that they would have that covered before they even come forward.
Further questions.
Mr. Chairman, I know how, you know when someone wants something really bad, they really rush, something looks good, they may in haste, you know, overlook something, and that's why, just in that case, I know that a lot of these facilities, you know, the government, through the department could end up being potentially liable if something were to happen.
So it's for that reason I ask that these kinds of concerns are something that they look at and ensure are met.
I didn't hear a question there.
If you want to make a comment.
Hon. Jack Anawak (interpretation): Hamlets today are more knowledgeable in this area and we can also help them with their proposals.
We have district offices that can deal with different proposals in their regions.
I know that they are capable of making more sophisticated proposals and before they go into the department, they usually ask for assistance in drawing up their proposals. (interpretation ends) Once a community comes forward wanting to put forward a proposal and wants our assistance to look at the kind of concerns that the member has, then obviously we're here to help.
But, again, I repeat, I think the hamlets are sophisticated enough to understand those kinds of concerns.
Chairperson: Thank you, Mr. Anawak.
I'm not sure if the minister answered earlier or not but I'd just like to know if the department would still be interested in receiving proposals for the 2001-2002 year to access funds under this program in this year or is it gone and they should wait until next year.
I'd just like to wonder that, because I don't want to go and ask my community if they have something that they could put forward if there's no room to do that this year.
Obviously we have not determined where any of this might go but keep in mind that if a community comes forward then we expect that community to be in a financially stable condition to be able to expend some money for something like this.
Are there any further questions.
Are there any further questions, comments. I'm sorry, Mr. Alakannuark.
I think the majority of the requests are for support to hockey arenas.
I heard earlier that this is for recreational facility projects and it's to help initiate projects.
Could we apply for funding to actually build facilities.
That will be my last question.
Hon. Jack Anawak (interpretation): Not directly from this funding but there is other funding available which you could request from the regional office.
I don't know whether you would go to the Kitikmeot or from Keewatin regional office as your constituency is from both.
You would ask Community Government and Transportation in your region, for instance Kane Tologanak is now Superintendent in the Kitikmeot and Shawn Maley in the Keewatin and Timoon Toonoo in the Baffin.
This is just for a pilot projects, not for a regular project.
I've finished questioning and then the minister just mentioned that this is specifically for pilot projects, after previously saying that it's open for applications.
I think that's what my colleague Mr. Alakannuark was asking if it's for community recreational facilities if they want to come up with their own money and their own stuff that the minister outlined they could apply for it and my understanding is that the minister said that this is specifically for a pilot project.
I'd like to know if communities can apply based on all the criteria that the minister went over and over in telling us on this money or is it already going to a specific pilot project.
Hon. Jack Anawak (interpretation): I apologise that you misunderstood.
What I said was if they want to get an arena or if they wanted to partake in a hockey tournament because all the regions play hockey tournaments, they do not necessarily apply from this line item. (interpretation ends) I apologise if I did not make it clear.
I just said this to create something, not to apply for, if a certain number of people want to go play hockey in the community or attend the summer games that happen every year.
That would come under, that funding would come from the regional centres, such as the one in Cape Dorset, Rankin Inlet and Cambridge in combination with Kugluktuk.
So, it has nothing to do with those, that money that we use to help the summer games or hockey games because that would come under O&M.
At this time we are still under 300 thousand. Since we started the committee of the whole, it's now 5 to 6 million dollars that the members want but we cannot go over the 300 thousand line item here.
Total headquarters 300 thousand dollars.
Chairperson (interpretation): I want you to know that 7-7 and 7-8 are all under Qikiqtaaluk, so we'll just go on because these two pages are one.
Let's move onto 7-8, Community Government and Transportation.
Branch summary, community governments.
Total Qikiqtaaluk region, 150 thousand.
Chairperson (interpretation): It's carried.
Total Kivalliq region, 158 thousand. Are there any comments.
Chairperson (interpretation): Page 7-10.
Community Government & Transportation branch summary.
Total Kitikmeot region, 1 million 685 thousand.
Chairperson (interpretation): Total buildings and works, 6 million 303 thousand.
Community Government, equipment acquisition.
Total headquarters, 100 thousand.
Chairperson (interpretation): Nays.
Total Qikiqtaaluk region, 480 thousand.
Mr. Chairman, I'm just wondering, on the fire trucks that are being purchased, are they on some kind of a cost shared basis with the federal government.
Hon. Jack Anawak: This is hamlet equipment.
Totally hamlet equipment so, no this is Nunavut Government solely.
Chairperson (interpretation): Total Qikiqtaaluk region, 480 thousand.
Total Kivalliq region, 320 thousand.
It is carried. Total equipment acquisition, 900 thousand.
Page 7-12, Community Government & Transportation, branch summary.
Community Government Contribution.
Qikiqtaaluk region, 1 million 838 thousand.
Open the page to 7-13.
Total Kivalliq region, 931 thousand.
Chairperson (interpretation): Total Kitikmeot region, 308 thousand.
In the granular program, the 60 thousand dollars, where is that put in place because it seems like a small amount. If my community wanted to use that, how will that be used.
Hon. Jack Anawak (interpretation): If I could ask Mr. Sitland to respond.
Chairperson (interpretation): Mr. Sitland.
The 60 thousand in there, there's a similar line item for each region.
It's for the department to be able to establish programs to manage granular resources in all the communities.
We are aware in Kugluktuk that you have to do a winter haul and sometimes that's not the best way to obtain granular resources and we need alternate ways to look at this.
But there are also many other problems in other communities that we have to look at and this is just sort of the start I would say of a multi-year program to get a better handle on managing granular materials.
I understand your answer.
Thank you for your response but as you know, we get gravel from an island seven miles away. I'm just wondering, is it in this amount or is it in another funding category, I just want to make it clear, perhaps it's in another funding category.
When we go and get gravel, it's far away but I'm just wondering where is this funding that we can use for gravel hauling.
For generally operations and maintenance, I'll call it, we provide funding through regional block funding which is meant for site development, road works and those types of things.
So every year through the regional block fund, which is shown as a line item there, every community is allotted certain amounts of funding for general O&M type gravel needs.
For capital project needs, gravel materials are purchased or crushed or obtained on a project by project basis.
So if for example, if one department had a project that required granular resources, in the capital estimates for that project it would include an estimate to obtain the gravel.
Chairperson (interpretation): Thank, Mr. Sitland.
Mr. Havioyak do you have any further comments.
Mr. Havioyak (interpretation): I just want to use myself for an example.
Suppose I'm a contractor and I do a winter haul seven miles away from the community in Kugluktuk and this cost 100 thousand dollars.
If this project, perhaps for site development, if I used up the 100 thousand dollars in the community of Kugluktuk, and go over by 40 thousand dollars, where can I get another 40 thousand to complete the project.
He stated it is to be used for other communities.
I'm just using this for an example because this amount, it seems like a small amount if I had a 100 thousand dollar contract where else can I get the additional 40 thousand.
Hon. Jack Anawak (interpretation): Yes, as Doug Sitland said if, for example, if the Department of Education is going to build a school, if the foundation is going to be gravel, that part of funding would be in the contract.
The money would be included for the foundation of the building.
But if it's used for just the Hamlet Councils, it would be geared towards municipal use.
Perhaps maybe I did not quite understand you but if we're going to come up with funding for granular programs to build the foundations of schools the money would come from the Department of Education.
We would know ahead of time what your project would be during the summer time, we would know what the budget is.
If the region is going to come up with programs or projects, whether it be Education or Sustainable Development, yes, the funding would be within their budget.
Mr. Havioyak (interpretation) : Thank you.
I think I understand your answer.
If we had a plan for a project that we want to work on for that summer period, the cost of the gravel would be included.
Chairperson (interpretation): It was for further clarification, but I will allow you Mr. Minister if you'd like to respond again on the 308 thousand dollars.
Hon. Jack Anawak (interpretation): Every time I respond, more questions come out.
Yes, if we're going to be hauling gravel for Kugluktuk, if it was to be 50 thousand for the municipality. But if they're going to be building a school, and if they needed an additional 50 thousand for gravel, we would have already used 100 thousand as part of that for the school.
Well, we do have to ask questions to the appropriate minister so we'll know what the details are behind these numbers.
The 60 thousand is quite small.
I think 60 thousand dollars would be enough for one granular program because the number is quite small.
If it’s just enough for one community or project in the Kitikmeot, which one will it be.
If I can recall correctly, and before the creation of the Nunavut Government, the hamlets were asked by DPW to get gravel that would be used over the winter.
Then if the hamlets had to use some of this gravel, they would have to buy it back from the Department of Public Works.
That didn't quite make sense to us as a Nunavut Government.
So what we did is we reorganized the whole thing. If the hamlet makes some gravel, then it would considered their own.
With this government, they don't have to buy it back from a government department.
So over the years, the hamlets would put together this gravel and they won't have to buy it back because the previous way that was co-ordinated didn't make any sense to us.
I will be asking my question again so that it will be clearer.
In the Kitikmeot area for the granular program, which communities can access money through this program whether it be Kugaaruk or Uqsuqtuq or Kugluktuk or Cambridge Bay.
Which community is slated to use these funds.
Let me do a little bit of whispering first.
You were talking about a gravel crushing program and your question, I don't believe there is any slated for your region but there is one in the Kivalliq area.
In here in the Inuktitut version, the way I understand it, it says a gravel crushing machine, that's why I'm asking those questions because of the way it's written in Inuktitut.
Hon. Jack Anawak (interpretation): We apologise.
We're talking about gravel here, we're not talking about machinery.
Now it's clear all of a sudden.
We're on total Kitikmeot region, 308 thousand.
Chairperson (interpretation): Any nays.
We'll then move on.
Total contributions, 3 million 77 thousand.
Total capital expenditures, 10 million, 280 thousand dollars.
It is carried. Moving on to page 7-14.
Transportation, total capital expenditures.
We'll then move onto 7-15.
Page 7 -15 before we agree to all the contents that are summarized on 7-14. Page 7-15, Community Government and Transportation, branch summary, transportation, buildings and works.
Total Qikiqtaaluk region, 1 million 565 thousand.
Community Government & Transportation, branch summary, transportation.
Total Kivalliq region, 430 thousand.
Total Kitikmeot Region, 310 thousand.
Mr. Havioyak (interpretation): How many dollars is it on the appendix A-16.
Is it part of that for this year.
Just for clarification here, I'm using the appendix A as an example I guess on A-16, is it this 310 thousand on page A-16.
Is part of it there.
Mr. Havioyak (interpretation): Mr. Chairman, I'm looking at it if we discussed it in the 5-year capital plan.
I haven't seen what I wanted to see.
That is why I wanted to bring out what I wanted to bring out in the 5-year capital plan.
It is not part of this page.
I was wondering as to when I would see this dollar figure.
Hon. Jack Anawak (interpretation): I apologize, I didn't quite understand your question.
Chairperson (interpretation): He was referring to appendix A-16.
We're not at 7-16, we're referring to Appendix A-15, or A-16.
His question is in regards to the 5-year capital plan, and the reason why he brought it up is because he didn't see what he was looking for.
Mr. Havioyak (interpretation): Thank you. If it's all right, you are aware, or your staff is aware, in Kugluktuk, there is a project near the airport, where would this be put in the 5-year plan.
We should be in line with airports.
Well he's asking those questions because he knows what's needed in those communities and he will need a response and he was referring to the 5-year capital plan.
That is a question and the minister will have to respond to the question.
Hon. Jack Anawak: Can I just ask which particular project he’s referring to Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Havioyak (interpretation): It is a garage at the airport, storage for vehicles that are utilized at the airport.
Where will it fit within the 5-year program.
Some of the items might not all be here because we get funding from the federal government.
Usually what we do is we ask the federal government and then when it's approved we finally get the money and prior to the approval by the federal government we cannot put it into the capital estimates.
We will look into your question and we do know that Kugluktuk is going to grow.
We'll keep an eye on it and I think the reason why it's not here is because we haven't heard from the federal government yet on the funding.
Any further questions, comments.
If you want to ask another question or comment please put up your hand so I will recognize you.
My arm is a little bit short.
If we don't hear and if we're not here as to where the process is gone, it's good to hear your response.
Mr. Havioyak you seem to be waiting when you don't put up your hand so I don't know whether you want to make additional comments or not.
We'll then go back to 7-16.
Three hundred and 10 thousand.
Total Kitikmeot region, 310 thousand.
Total buildings and works, 2 million 305 thousand.
Going on, Community Government and Transportation, branch summary.
Transportation, equipment acquisition.
Total headquarters region, 85 thousand.
For the members we are dealing with financial issues.
I think you have to respond to the questions because of course we have to know exactly where our money is going.
Please pay attention because you might agree to something that you might be opposed to later on.
Total Qikiqtaaluk region, 210 thousand.
Transportation, total Kivalliq region, 50 thousand.
Total Kitikmeot region, 20 thousand.
Total equipment acquisitions, 365 thousand.
Chairperson (interpretation): Opposed. Carried.
Total capital expenditures, 2 million 670 thousand.
Going back to 7-6.
I mean 7-14.
Transportation, capital expenditures, 267 thousand.
I think there was some money, left on what it is over here.
I guess it used to be 3 million but now it's 5 million for the year.
So last year that 2.6 million dollars for 2001-2002, if the federal government gives us some more money, would that number go up.
Hon. Jack Anawak (interpretation): Yes, I'm sorry.
If we were to get some money from the federal government, it would go up.
Mr. Chairman, I just want to say that the Department of Education and Health and Social Services have brought some delegates here.
The delegates are over here. (interpretation ends) I would like to acknowledge the people from the Healing Symposium from all across Canada, so…(interpretation)…I just wanted to mention that.
All of the people in the gallery, please be welcome.
Also those people that were here from my constituency, they have left already so.
The question of Mr. Nutarak, did you get your response.
Mr. Nutarak (interpretation): Yes. Thank you.
Chairperson (interpretation): We are on page 7-14, 2 million 670 thousand.
We can get back to page 7-6.
Community Government 10 million 280 thousand.
At this time, getting back to page 7-5.
Community Government & Transportation, program summary.
The capital is completed.
What is the wish of the committee at this time.
I'll ask Enoki what the committee’s wishes are.
Now that we have completed Community Government and Transportation I'm not really sure, maybe you can ask the committee again if it would be okay for us to conclude for the day.
Community Government and Transportation’s capital estimates have been completed and a member wishes to report progress and this is not debatable.
At this time I would like the Speaker to come to the chambers.
I'm sorry I forgot to take a vote.
We can get the Speaker to come back.
I'm sorry Mr. Minister.
The Minister of Community Government and Transportation and his officials, I would like to thank them for appearing before our committee.
Hon. Jack Anawak (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman for letting us give you some answers and I will have somebody else come in for the main estimates tomorrow.
Chairperson (interpretation): Thank you Mr. Minister, Mr. Ferris and Mr. Sitland.
Speaker: Returning to the Orders of the Day. Item 20. Report of the Committee of the Whole.
Speaker: Do we have a seconder. Mr. Kattuk.
There is a motion on the floor. All those in favour.
Meeting of full caucus tomorrow morning at 9 o'clock in the Nanuq boardroom.
Orders of the Day for Tuesday March 20:
Bill 2 – Supplementary Appropriation No. 2, 2001-2001
This House stands adjourned until March 20 at 1.30.
>>House adjourned at 5.48 p.m.
Tuesday March 20, 2001
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