EdinburghNLP/nunavut-hansard-plusplus huggingface dataset:
Even though the resources and funding we get from the Federal Government is limited, we are trying to give them more assistance and we believe that we will be able to do so.
Therefore I apologize, we were unable to complete that, and that's why Chesterfield Inlet and Repulse Bay can't access their gravel pit.
But it is evident that once we are able to divide up the funding amongst the communities I am sure it is going to help them build their access roads or to extend their present roads.
We know their predicament in Repulse Bay and they need to access their gravel pit in the upcoming years.
Mr. Anawak are you finished.
Yesterday during the formal sitting of the House I asked you a question.
The reason I didn't ask the question is because we didn't have a chance to review the capital estimates and we have to approve them today.
Looking at the estimates, Pond Inlet is not included in the capital estimates.
There is nothing for Pond Inlet and some communities get more than one project.
I am sure they are necessary for those communities, but the projects that have to be done, in some cases there are more than one for some.
Once these are completed will you start looking at the needs.
For example, in Pond Inlet we really want to see the completion of our arena.
As you said before, we will try and work in all the communities.
One community is going to receive three projects according to the estimates as they are written.
Once they are completed will you start moving to the Pond Inlet arena.
Does that mean we will wait for another ten years.
We thought it would be completed when we saw the officials come into Pond Inlet to meet with the Hamlet Council.
Once as the required projects are completed in Nunavut it seems like the government just focuses on some of these areas and I don't know why they don't pay attention to some of the priorities that we have.
It seems you are too overly concerned about some of the other communities under your direction.
We also have to consider other communities in Nunavut and their needs are the same as the other communities.
Getting back to the arena, as you have said it will be dealt with, and there is a plan for 2007 that they will start reviewing it, so that they can distribute the funding more equally across Nunavut communities.
You'll be looking into it.
After the year 2007 we will be getting the project that we want.
Are you willing to review some of these issues that I am raising.
I am not too pleased about it because some of the capital projects are not distributed evenly.
Hon. Jack Anawak (interpretation): If you look at the 2007 capital plan for the Pond Inlet recreation hall it will be in the design phase in 2004 and built in 2006-2007.
It is budgeted there.
They are dealing with it in the next fiscal year.
Looking at this we expect we'll start working on it in 2005-2006.
We know that Pond Inlet requires it.
The way the process is at this time we can't give capital funding right away, instantly.
But we have to assess the community first.
We will keep in contact with the community on the development of this but we have set aside funding for it in the 5 year plan.
Seventy seven thousand, 2004-2005, 850 thousand 2005-2006 and 2006-2007, 1 million 620 thousand.
I am sure I overlooked it in the capital estimates.
I forgot to look at the end of the page.
The only thing that I saw was a sewage lagoon.
I just overlooked that.
But I still have a question.
We spoke about heavy equipment to build access roads or roads.
There is a plan in Pond Inlet through Parks Canada and under the direction of the Minister of Transportation.
They are trying to build access roads to the recreational facilities and fishing areas in Pond Inlet.
I still don't see it perhaps I am overlooking at it.
Is it somewhere else.
I was wondering if you will be providing capital dollars for that this upcoming summer.
When I talk about the 4.2 million dollars it is not in this document.
We will be getting it from the federal government in the near future.
If we were to give Pond Inlet part of this funding from the 1 million, it would be up to Pond Inlet as to where they would use this funding.
This 1 million dollars that we will be getting every year will be allocated towards communities on an equal basis.
But with respect to the funding that we'll be getting from Parks Canada this would be placed into one pot and then we would want to see it used towards access road activities and it would be up to the communities as to which area it would go.
I do not have too many questions but just a comment with respect to the Hamlet of Pond Inlet.
They are not too happy when they try to ask questions of the minister's department and they do not receive responses.
If he can make available what is not in this capital estimate document it would be very much appreciated. Even if we were just to use it for our own information I would like a copy of this.
Minister Anawak.  Hon. Jack Anawak (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Our staff have spoken with the hamlet and the hamlet should be aware of our plans.
They also have a copy of this document that I have before me.
Mr. Nutarak (interpretation): I think I am getting out of context here but I think he had mentioned that Pond Inlet is aware of these issues and this document.
So in the next sitting period with respect to this concern of mine, I would like to find out tomorrow when this document that the minister is referring to was forwarded.
Perhaps Doug could answer that question.
Doug Sitland.
With specific reference to the arena and the hall during our community consultations in March, April and May it was certainly raised as an issue.
We've addressed that issue in the 5 year capital plan.
As well we undertook a study to evaluate the condition of these buildings and our study says in fact that the buildings were beyond economic retrofit.
Meaning that it would cost as much to retrofit them as it would to build brand new facilities.
The community was presented with that report and we've addressed it in the capital estimates.
So that is where we are now and as the minister indicated, the community does have a copy of the capital estimate document.
Mr. Nutarak (interpretation): I have no more questions.
Chairperson (interpretation): Any more questions.
Before Mr. Puqiqnak asks his question Mr. Arvaluk would like to raise a comment.
I move that we keep going with our session until we conclude the Department of Community Govt. & Transportation.
Chairperson (interpretation): Mr. Arvaluk would like to continue beyond the allotted time.
Before I raise my question, I have a short comment to make on this department on behalf of my constituents.
For the year 2002/03 I understand we will be getting responses to my concerns, but the capital funding that will be used will be over budget in the next capital period.
Under the capital projects in the communities that lack recreational facilities I raised this question before in regards to community wellness as well.
As we are getting closer to the Christmas season, we do desire more wellness in the community.
I have a question, under the allocation title if there is an emergency situation…
Chairperson (interpretation): Thank you, at this time we are on general comments, so when it is time to ask you question you will be allowed.
We are just looking for general comments at this time.
This concern is about First Air.
The community of Taloyoak wanted to find out about the First Air schedule for their community.
Are they going to upgrade the airport so that the First Air flight will be able to land in Taloyoak.
From what we have heard from the Kitikmeot, we were informed in Cambridge Bay by First Air that they would purchase two planes and these two planes would be doing a scheduled flight to all the communities, but they would have to expand the airstrips in some of the communities.
Hon. Jack Anawak (interpretation): Thank you for informing me of this, Mr. Chairman.
If there are no more general comments, we’re under 7-6 at this time. 7-6.
Mr. Puqiqnak, please proceed.
I was trying to ask this question earlier.
For Buildings and Works, 7 million 892 thousand.
I do not see a five year capital plan on this page.
I’m concerned about lack of facilities in some communities, the lack of recreational facilities.
I do not see a plan for these facilities.
Under the allocations can we use the emergency funding for recreational facilities, for community halls or recreational facilities.
Can we do that.
He has a question under 13 million 850 thousand.
Hon. Jack Anawak (interpretation): I’m sorry I didn’t quite understand your question.
I was talking to my colleague.
My question is under the five year capital plan.
It does not say anything about recreational facilities.
I don’t see anything under Community Government and Transportation where they would build a recreational facility.
Could we get some assistance by way of contributions.
Can we borrow some money so that we may be able to build recreational facilities in some of our communities.
How can we use this contribution.
Can we put it towards building a recreational facility.
Hon. Jack Anawak (interpretation): The funding for 13 million is already put towards the other capital programs.
But with respect to communities, their recreational facilities are quite small in your region, in the Kitikmeot Region.
We have made health and social issues a priority and they were given priority to use the capital funding.
Part of the reason that we can not put any more contributions towards recreational facilities at this time, I have spoken to the community that if they get a surplus and if we can get more funding through other sources, we have talked about addressing recreational issues.
But the communities also want more access roads.
So we must try and find more funding outside of our department and I cannot say as to where we might be able to get this extra funding and I cannot say as to what year we might be able to use this extra capital funding.
But with the closer consultation with the communities we will plan with the communities as to where the capital expenditures may be best utilized.
Mr. Puqiqnak (interpretation): Just a comment.
I'll be expecting in the Kitikmeot that our Community Government & Transportation staff will speak to the Hamlets and to work closely with the Hamlets and give them this information.
I feel it is important that they are well informed and perhaps your Deputy Minister could put something together for our communities so that they are better informed of what is being done.
I feel it is really important that there is good communication.
We are on 7-6.
Total capital.
Community Govt. & Transportation.
Branch Summary. Community Govt. & Transportation.
Total capital expenditures, 13 million 850 thousand.
I haven't asked you yet.
Turn to page 7-7.
Community Govt. & Transportation. Branch Summary.
Page 9-5. Total Qikiqtaaluk region, 3 million 305 thousand.
Carried. 7-8.
Turn to page 7-9.
Total Kivalliq region, 2 million 315 thousand.
Carried. 7-10.
Total Community Government & Transportation.
Total Kitikmeot, 2 million 272 thousand.
I don’t have a substantiation sheet under granular material.
Will that be used for Chesterfield and Repulse Bay.
This program would be used for communities that need granular material.
When you’re going to speak to each other up at the witness stand just press the mute button.
Total Kitikmeot Region, 2 million 272 thousand.
Under 7-10.
Total Buildings and Works, 7 million 892 thousand.
Chairperson (interpretation): Opposed. Carried. 7-11.
Community Government and Transportation. Branch Summary. Community Government.
Equipment Acquisition. Total Qikiqtaaluk region, 72 thousand. Agreed.
Chairperson (interpretation): I apologize, I didn’t ask if there were any questions.
Do you have a question.
Total Kivalliq Region, 622 thousand.
In Chesterfield Inlet and Coral Harbour I have a question regarding the dump trucks.
We have a company in Chesterfield Inlet and Coral Harbour that has equipment.
Would the hamlet be able to use that money for other equipment such as a sewage truck.
Is that already provided in the community.
We discussed with these communities as to what they needed and it would be fine for them to use this money for that but the problem would be if the other equipment they wanted is more expensive than what is identified here.
Election time is coming up for municipalities and I know some candidates will be campaigning and trying to support the businesses in the community.
So some concerns might come up regarding not having proper sewage trucks or other equipment.
In Chesterfield Inlet they put in 125 thousand dollars for a dump truck.
I know the dump truck doesn't work well but we have companies that can provide that service.
So if the community decided they needed another piece of equipment I think he agreed that money could be used that way if that was the community's decision.
That was my response.
If the community decided that they wanted to purchase another piece of equipment they would have to make that decision before the deadline.
We are on Total Kivalliq region, 622 thousand dollars.
Total Kitikmeot region, 480 thousand.
Total equipment acquisition, 1 million 174 thousand.
Total Headquarters region, 400 thousand.
Total Qikiqtaaluk region, 3 million 223 thousand dollars.
For my information, under various regional bulk funding, what areas is this money used for.
I'll get Mr. Sitland to respond.
Each region is given a regional bulk fund.
It is divided into all non-tax based communities.
The funding is intended to be used for open play spaces, road, land and site development.
But it is unconditional funding and communities can use that as they see fit.
I have a question regarding Headquarters.
It is on the same page.
Chairperson (interpretation): You are free to ask the question.
We are still on the same page.
Ms. Williams (interpretation): My question is regarding recreation facility projects in headquarters.
I would like to get some clarification as to what they mean by recreation facility projects.
When we met last spring we discussed this in great detail.
This 300 hundred thousand was for hockey arenas and other facilities to assist communities if they needed to make some repairs in their recreational facilities like a swimming pool or an arena.
This is to assist communities in doing some repairs or it could also be used for a zamboni or other equipment.
We are on Total Qikiqtaaluk region, 3 million 223 thousand.
Turn the page to 7-13.
Total Kivalliq region, 913 thousand dollars.
Three hundred and 40 thousand for a bulldozer.
When we were reviewing the capital estimates we discussed this and I'd like to raise a question as to what this will be used for.
It is something else.
My question has to do with the airstrip.
I'll bring it up when we get to that area.
Chairperson (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Nutarak for clarifying that.
Total Kivalliq region, 913 thousand.
Total Kitikmeot region, 248 thousand.
Total contribution, 4 million 784 thousand dollars.
Mr. Puqiqnak (interpretation): The total capital expenditures, 13 million 850 thousand.
In the estimates what would this be used for.
What is the 13 million going towards.
Is it Kitikmeot.
I don't see it in a substantiation sheet.
The total contribution is 4 million 784 thousand.
The total capital expenditures, block funding is 13 million 850 thousand for all of Nunavut.
When we were discussing the department, in 7.6 under capital expenditures there’s building and works, 7 million 892 thousand, equipment acquisition, 1 million 174 thousand, contributions, 4 million 784 thousand and the total is 13 million 850 thousand.
Chairperson: (interpretation): We’ll get back to 7-13 Total capital expenditures, 13 million 850 thousand.
Carried. 7-14, Community Government and Transportation. Branch summary. Transportation.
Total capital expenditures, 3 million 200 thousand.
Carried. 7-15. Community Government & Transportation.
Branch summary. Transportation.
Buildings and works. Total Qikiqtaaluk region, 1 million 620 thousand.
My question is about Nanisivik, seeing that they are going to be closing down Nanisivik, there are highway upgrades, I just wondered if that 200 thousand dollars could be used for something else instead of doing the highway upgrades.
I’m not sure how we can use it but perhaps maybe we can use it for Arctic Bay.
Chairperson: (interpretation): Thank you Ms. Williams.
If the member for those three communities can think of ways to use it some other way instead of having it used for highway upgrades, they can give us suggestions.
The road going up to Nanisivik from Arctic Bay we expected it was going to be at least two more years before the mine closed and we would still have to use it.
So if the hamlet has alternatives it is up to them.
Chairperson: (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Minister.
We’re on total Qikiqtaaluk region, 1 million 620 thousand.
Total Kivalliq region, 1 million 95 thousand.
We have an airport garage upgrade in the amount of 400 thousand dollars in 2001-2002.
It’s one of the oldest garages in Nunavut and it’s a wooden structure and it was built in the time of MOT.
I have been there quite a few times and they used two by sixes and two by fours on that garage and sometimes they use it for welding and whatever and if there was to be a fire, it’s very dangerous because its all a wooden structure and it is probably pretty dry.
How come the department of transportation doesn't have a plan to build a garage that is up to the Canadian code.
Hon. Jack Anawak (interpretation): Perhaps if I can get them to explain.
Yes, we realize that it has to be replaced.
Perhaps Doug could explain.
Mr. Sitland: Yes we did do some work on the garage in the summer of 2001.
It was the original intention to retrofit or rehabilitate this building, but our study work has concluded that again, this is beyond economic feasibility so we want to look at actually replacing this garage.
Now the replacement cost is far greater than what is shown in there, so we need to look carefully at that.
We have some decisions to make as to whether we can afford to do that in 02/03.
We have some funding there and we will begin work on design for sure.
Total Kivalliq Region, 1 million 95 thousand.
Carried. 7-16.
Total Kitikmeot Region, 125 thousand.
Mr. Havioyak: Let me get an explanation here.
On the runway extension I know they already have jets going in there and maybe you can explain what that extension is for.
Are they trying to get longer or bigger planes, is that why they are extending the airstrip in Cambridge Bay.
Hon. Jack Anawak (interpretation): Kelvin wanted the Concorde or something…
Perhaps I could get Mike to respond to that question.
At the present time both 727 and 737 jets go in with load restrictions because of the length of the current strip.
So it is good that we are looking at the possibility of a small extension so they can go in with a full load.
Mr. Havioyak: You are saying that...the reason that I am laughing is because when you go down the 5 year forecast, let's see, next 5 years there is going to be another million dollars spent on this.
Right now you are saying that because of the loads you need to use 100 thousand dollars to improve it so that they can have a legal landing. Is that what you meant.
Can you explain again because when you go further down there is another million dollars 2-3 years down the road.
Hon. Jack Anawak (interpretation): What it would be right now, as Mike pointed out a 727 or a 737 cannot go in with a full load, so what we are looking at is ensuring that any plane like the 727 or 737 can go in with a full load.
So that’s why we are looking at studying the possibility of extending the runway to ensure that those two jets can go in with a full load.
Chairperson: (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Anawak.
How long have you had that restriction or this present condition and what made you decide that you no longer want load restrictions for those aircrafts.
Mr. Ferris: We inherited that from the GNWT.
We’re looking at the enhancement of transportation within Nunavut so that the three regional hubs, or the three main hubs would be Cambridge, Rankin, and Iqaluit with improved feeders off of those into each and every community in Nunavut. So it's part of that and it would only be after we’ve looked at the ramifications of this study and design.
We have allocated 1 million to increase that capacity but those jets have gone in under limit, under load limits since day one, that’s why sometimes they over fly Cambridge because their too heavy to land.
For the people of Nunavut to be able to have a safe airstrip in Iqaluit anywhere, I understand that is very important.
But the planes land in Pangnirtung, Kimmirut, Pond Inlet and these airstrips are very close to the houses.
How come the dangerous airstrips are deferred and than the ones that don’t need it right away are given priority.
I think the members know that the airstrips in Pangnirtung and Kimmirut are close to the houses.
I know that they have to be replaced or moved.
We can extend this airstrip at the cost of 1 million dollars.
This is very different from new airstrips, in terms of costs.
When the plane arrives with a full load we know that the goods or the material that will be sold will be less expensive.
That’s why we have started this but our department will be looking for additional funding on top of that from the federal government’s transportation department.
We will be lobbying ACAP for more funding so that we can work on the more expensive airstrips.
Chairperson: (interpretation): Thank you, Minister Anawak.
I hear you, it’s the central regional communities that serve these other communities in the area, but also maybe you already know most of the communities in that region also get direct flights from the City of Yellowknife.
You mentioned that from that community the freight goes out to the other communities in that region but again keep in mind that they do get those flights from the City of Yellowknife.
I guess this is just a comment, I just want to point that out.
That was just a comment we’re on that same page. Total Kitikmeot region, 125 thousand.
Mr. Puqiqnak (interpretation): I have been concerned about this issue but my colleague has let it out because this is very close to our hunt and it’s very close to me and I do think along that line and I’m very happy to hear someone else thinking along that line. I know that we have to support all Nunavut residents and to make all the communities healthy.
At times we tend to put funding into some of the programs that don’t’ really need it more than the others sometimes.
When that happens you have to extend the airstrip in the year 2002-2003 and also to 2003 –2007.
It’s in the capital plans.
What about the airstrips in the smaller communities and airport terminals in the smaller communities, they are full to capacity and there is no funding for that and we’d like to see some funding geared towards small community terminals.
Sometimes the passengers have to wait outside when the two planes arrive at the same time, the terminal is filled to capacity, there’s no room to sit down, it’s just standing room at times only. So can you start looking at the terminals for the airports rather than extending the airstrips.
Chairperson: (interpretation): Thank you, Mr. Puqiqnak.
Hon. Jack Anawak (interpretation): Thank you. Yes, Cambridge Bay does receive a direct flight, Canadian North carries the cargo and Ken Borek will distribute to the other communities.
I don’t think Kenn Borek has a direct flight from Yellowknife to Cambridge Bay.
I just wanted to point that out and also we have been looking for some funds so that we can expand the terminals through ACAP.
I think it was last year we were supposed to get more funding from ACAP.
Right before the ACAP was being dealt with there was a federal election and ACAP discussions were incomplete.
Therefore we could not get any funding but we will still try to acquire some funding.
I know the Chairman's constituency now has a new terminal so we are starting to focus on all the communities.
But I want the member to be aware that especially in the larger communities we will use their priorities, but we will look for additional funding from ACAP.