Title: _WhiSpeG___Dec_6_THU_5_00_PM___6_00_PM__Berlin_Tim
Category: Working_Groups

Author: Ethernian
Date: 2018-11-27T23:45:09.764Z

Hello all!
We are planning our first kick-off hangout call of WhiSpeG - Whisper Specification Group.
Agenda:

Broader look over messaging solutions. Is whisper deprecated? (I think - it is NOT)
Review whisper specification efforts already made by others.
What do we have about whisper besides the code?
What do we expect from whisper specification.
Move from Telegram to Riot?
ToDos & Roadmap.

Please share your thoughts before the meeting here:


HackMD



[WhiSpeG] Agenda and Preparation Matherials - HackMD





Here is doodle to find the time slot.
===> UPDATE:
Doodle is closed. The Call time is on
 When:
Dec 6 2018 - Thursday
5:00 pm - 6:00 pm (Berlin Time)
8:00 am - 9:00 am (San Francisco Time)
**Where:
===> UPDATE 2:
Hangout (deprecated)   => Zoom



 atoulme:

Antoine Toulme is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
Topic: Whisper spec meeting
Time: Dec 6, 2018 8:00 AM Pacific Time (US and Canada)
Join Zoom Meeting
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Meeting ID: 521 536 173
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===>
Currently we are 13 person from different corps and projects.
If you are interested to get in touch, let me know.

Author: boris
Date: 2018-11-28T15:17:05.379Z

It looks like more effort into Whisper is going to be eclipsed by some Web3 Foundation work https://github.com/w3f/messaging/blob/master/README.md

Author: Ethernian
Date: 2018-11-28T20:27:44.440Z

It looks like more effort into Whisper is going to be eclipsed by some Web3 Foundation work

Yes, we are currently talking exact about it. If you are interested, I could add you into Telegram group.

Author: ligi
Date: 2018-11-28T20:52:12.212Z

I could add you into Telegram group.

can we please stop using a closed source apps for communication inside this space? There are alternatives like [matrix]

Author: Ethernian
Date: 2018-11-28T20:55:15.633Z

ok. valid concern, will take it in account next time.
The problem is, that some discussions start from ad-hoc conversation of two people.

Author: 5chdn
Date: 2018-11-28T20:58:22.404Z

Use Wire for ad-hoc conversations. 
Re: whisper, from what I understand it’s not only the Web3 Foundation but also Status IM interested in that research “beyond” whisper.
Edit: Just realized how funny this is, we are discussing messengers in the whisper thread.

Author: Ethernian
Date: 2018-11-28T21:18:13.829Z

5chdn:

Re: whisper, from what I understand it’s not only the Web3 Foundation but also Status IM interested in that research “beyond” whisper.


we have Status & ConsenSys people in chat (and one big corp more - possibly they will reveal their name later. Unsure how official their participation is now). Plus authors from other messaging protocols.
Possibly it will make sense to merge the chat into some other existing one.

Author: Ethernian
Date: 2018-12-01T20:35:16.006Z

The call time is fix now.
 When:
Dec 6 2018 - Thursday
5:00 pm - 6:00 pm (Berlin Time)
8:00 am - 9:00 am (San Francisco Time)
Where:
Hangout.
The link will be posted here and in TG group ~1 day before the call.
Here is the link to (already closed) doodle poll.
Agenda:

Broader look over messaging solutions. Is whisper deprecated?
Review whisper specification efforts already made by others.
What do we have about whisper besides the code?
What do we expect from whisper specification.
Move from Telegram to Riot?
ToDos & Roadmap.

Do you have suggestions and more agenda topics? - Let me know.

Author: wschwab
Date: 2018-12-03T09:25:20.377Z

@Ethernian Do you want this to be just for folks seriously involved in Whisper development, or is it also intended for sideline spectators?

Author: Ethernian
Date: 2018-12-03T10:44:24.161Z

@wschwab,
The call is free to join, and we need need both:

people who need whisper specification (users)
people who develop whisper and other messaging protocols (developers)

Author: andytudhope
Date: 2018-12-05T17:25:31.711Z

Ethernian:

Is whisper deprecated?


This makes me sad. Status uses it in production, as does Bloom for something entirely different, as do some other interesting and technically advanced projects. I would like to see that removed from the agenda so the focus is on more useful topics like “what we expect from the whisper specification”. That is,

Is whisper intended really just for DApps, as Gav and Parity have always said, or should/can we use it for broader communications? If it is just for DApps, is it not already sufficient?
If we can’t use it for broader comms, then do we need another spec (i.e. what is starting to be discussed between Status, the W3F and others) for secure person-to-person messaging and, if so,
What should the properties of this new spec ideally be such that it meets our needs as an ecosystem/community?

I have already suggested we use the #whisper topic to discuss this, but got told off for doing so. I still maintain that actually using the protocol is the best way to:

Ask better questions.
Understand what the current capabilities really are so as to drive informed dicussion about further development.

Author: Ethernian
Date: 2018-12-05T18:44:05.257Z

andytudhope:


Is whisper deprecated?
This makes me sad



Hey, this is a question! There is a “?” at the end of the sentence!
I personally think, it is NOT deprecated!

Author: Ethernian
Date: 2018-12-05T23:46:14.975Z

atoulme:

Antoine Toulme is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
Topic: Whisper spec meeting
Time: Dec 6, 2018 8:00 AM Pacific Time (US and Canada)
Join Zoom Meeting
Launch Meeting - Zoom
One tap mobile
+16699006833,521536173# US (San Jose)
+16468769923,521536173# US (New York)
Dial by your location
+1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose)
+1 646 876 9923 US (New York)
+1 877 853 5257 US Toll-free
+1 855 880 1246 US Toll-free
Meeting ID: 521 536 173
Find your local number: Zoom International Dial-in Numbers - Zoom


Guys, it is Zoom instead of hangout.
Please share your thoughts before the meeting here:


HackMD



[WhiSpeG] Agenda and Preparation Matherials - HackMD





cc @ligi