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│  488 │ comment │ mynameishere │ 2007-02-22 14:48:18 │ "It's too bad. Javascript-in-the-browser and Ajax are both nasty hacks that force programmers to do all sorts of shameful things. And the result is--wanky html tricks. Java, for its faults, is fairly clean when run in the applet environment. It has every superiority over JITBAJAX, except for install issues and a chunky load process. Yahoo games seems like just about the only applet success story. Of course, back in the day, non-trivial Applets tended to be too large for the dial-up accounts people had. At least that is changed." │ [454927] │ ['It','s','too','bad','Javascript','in','the','browser','and','Ajax','are','both','nasty','hacks','that','force','programmers','to','do','all','sorts','of','shameful','things','And','the','result','is','wanky','html','tricks','Java','for','its','faults','is','fairly','clean','when','run','in','the','applet','environment','It','has','every','superiority','over','JITBAJAX','except','for','install','issues','and','a','chunky','load','process','Yahoo','games','seems','like','just','about','the','only','applet','success','story','Of','course','back','in','the','day','non','trivial','Applets','tended','to','be','too','large','for','the','dial','up','accounts','people','had','At','least','that','is','changed'] │
│  575 │ comment │ leoc         │ 2007-02-23 00:09:49 │ "I can't find the reference now, but I *think* I've just read something suggesting that the install process for an Apollo applet will involve an &#34;install-this-application?&#34; confirmation dialog followed by a download of 30 seconds or so. If so then Apollo's less promising than I hoped. That kind of install may be low-friction by desktop-app standards but it doesn't compare to the ease of starting a browser-based AJAX or Flash application. (Consider how easy it is to use maps.google.com for the first time.)<p>Surely it will at least be that Apollo applications will run untrusted by default, and that an already-installed app will start automatically whenever you take your browser to the URL you downloaded it from?" │ [455071] │ ['I','can','t','find','the','reference','now','but','I','think','I','ve','just','read','something','suggesting','that','the','install','process','for','an','Apollo','applet','will','involve','an','34','install','this','application','34','confirmation','dialog','followed','by','a','download','of','30','seconds','or','so','If','so','then','Apollo','s','less','promising','than','I','hoped','That','kind','of','install','may','be','low','friction','by','desktop','app','standards','but','it','doesn','t','compare','to','the','ease','of','starting','a','browser','based','AJAX','or','Flash','application','Consider','how','easy','it','is','to','use','maps','google','com','for','the','first','time','p','Surely','it','will','at','least','be','that','Apollo','applications','will','run','untrusted','by','default','and','that','an','already','installed','app','will','start','automatically','whenever','you','take','your','browser','to','the','URL','you','downloaded','it','from'] │
│ 3110 │ comment │ davidw       │ 2007-03-09 09:19:58 │ "I'm very curious about this tsumobi thing, as it's basically exactly what Hecl is ( http://www.hecl.org ).  I'd sort of abbandoned it as an idea for making any money with directly, though, figuring the advantage was just to be able to develop applications a lot faster.  I was able to prototype ShopList ( http://shoplist.dedasys.com ) in a few minutes with it, for example.<p>Edit: BTW, I'd certainly be interested in chatting with the Tsumobi folks.  It's a good idea - perhaps there are elements in common that can be reused from/added to Hecl, which is open source under a very liberal license, meaning you can take it and include it even in 'commercial' apps.<p>I really think that the 'common' bits in a space like that have to be either free or open source (think about browsers, html, JavaScript, java applets, etc...), and that that's not where the money is." │ [3147]   │ ['I','m','very','curious','about','this','tsumobi','thing','as','it','s','basically','exactly','what','Hecl','is','http','www','hecl','org','I','d','sort','of','abbandoned','it','as','an','idea','for','making','any','money','with','directly','though','figuring','the','advantage','was','just','to','be','able','to','develop','applications','a','lot','faster','I','was','able','to','prototype','ShopList','http','shoplist','dedasys','com','in','a','few','minutes','with','it','for','example','p','Edit','BTW','I','d','certainly','be','interested','in','chatting','with','the','Tsumobi','folks','It','s','a','good','idea','perhaps','there','are','elements','in','common','that','can','be','reused','from','added','to','Hecl','which','is','open','source','under','a','very','liberal','license','meaning','you','can','take','it','and','include','it','even','in','commercial','apps','p','I','really','think','that','the','common','bits','in','a','space','like','that','have','to','be','either','free','or','open','source','think','about','browsers','html','javascript','java','applets','etc','and','that','that','s','not','where','the','money','is'] │
│ 4016 │ comment │ mynameishere │ 2007-03-13 22:56:53 │ "http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2853515&CatId=2511<p>Versus<p>http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?family=MacBookPro<p>These are comparable systems, but the Apple has, as I said, roughly an 800 dollar premium. Actually, the cheapest macbook pro costs the same as the high-end Toshiba. If you make good money, it's not a big deal. But when the girl in the coffeehouse asks me what kind of computer she should get to go along with her minimum wage, I'm basically scum to recommend an Apple." │ []       │ ['http','www','tigerdirect','com','applications','SearchTools','item','details','asp','EdpNo','2853515','CatId','2511','p','Versus','p','http','store','apple','com','1','800','MY','APPLE','WebObjects','AppleStore','family','MacBookPro','p','These','are','comparable','systems','but','the','Apple','has','as','I','said','roughly','an','800','dollar','premium','Actually','the','cheapest','macbook','pro','costs','the','same','as','the','high','end','Toshiba','If','you','make','good','money','it','s','not','a','big','deal','But','when','the','girl','in','the','coffeehouse','asks','me','what','kind','of','computer','she','should','get','to','go','along','with','her','minimum','wage','I','m','basically','scum','to','recommend','an','Apple'] │
│ 4568 │ comment │ jwecker      │ 2007-03-16 13:08:04 │ I know the feeling.  The same feeling I had back when people were still writing java applets.  Maybe a normal user doesn't feel it- maybe it's the programmer in us knowing that there's a big layer running between me and the browser...                 │ []       │ ['I','know','the','feeling','The','same','feeling','I','had','back','when','people','were','still','writing','java','applets','Maybe','a','normal','user','doesn','t','feel','it','maybe','it','s','the','programmer','in','us','knowing','that','there','s','a','big','layer','running','between','me','and','the','browser'] │