Speaker 10: yeah
Speaker 10: 呃so uh
Speaker 10: here's a question
Speaker 10: 呃就是我之前听说就是
Speaker 10: 就给小孩嘛有个玩具
Speaker 10: 对吧就是一个轨道
Speaker 10: train rail
Speaker 10: 然后左边呢是摆了一排人
Speaker 10: 右边是一个人
Speaker 10: 然后看小孩会选择把火车开到哪边
Speaker 10: 对然后那个小孩儿就把那一个人摆到那一排人那边
Speaker 10: 然后把那一排人都撞死了
Speaker 10: 对然后
Speaker 10: 就是here's a question
Speaker 10: 就是will you kill ten people to save one
Speaker 10: 就是因为我们之前也看到有很多这个
Speaker 10: 战争片什么的
Speaker 10: 就是疯狂的牺牲嘛
Speaker 10: 但是就是为了去救那一个
Speaker 10: 对但是我觉得这个问题应该是有前提的就是说如果
Speaker 10: 大家都是一样的
Speaker 10: 就是都是我们默认这个前提就是众生平等
Speaker 10: 对所以说你
Speaker 10: 有没有会觉得就是
Speaker 10: 他杀一个人要去救那一个人这样是值得的吗
Speaker 9: 就是我之前看到一个这个question the setting就是说
Speaker 9: 呃十个人在一个铁轨上玩
Speaker 9: 然后一个人是在一个废弃的铁轨上就是说它是
Speaker 9: 他就是suppose那个train一般情况下是不会到那边的
Speaker 9: 所以大家要不要去就是驾驶员我我们应不应该
Speaker 9: 那个把
Speaker 9: 把train开到
Speaker 9: 我们应该是
Speaker 9: 把train开到哪个地方去如果必须要做选择的话
Speaker 9: 我觉得
Speaker 10: which one do you prefer
Speaker 9: 这真的是一个非常hard的choice
Speaker 9: 因为如果你
Speaker 9: kill one people的话你save了十个people
Speaker 9: 这是
Speaker 10: 但是那一个是innocent的
Speaker 9: 对
Speaker 9: 所以让我选择的话
Speaker 9: if i have to make a choice
Speaker 9: i'll choose
Speaker 9: to to kill ten people
Speaker 9: 因为
Speaker 9: 呃
Speaker 9: 这里面就是涉及到一个一个cost的问题就是说
Speaker 9: 从
Speaker 9: in the short term来看的话you save the save
Speaker 9: if如果你把那个一个人给kill掉了
Speaker 9: 然后save的十个p十个people的话
Speaker 9: 那你从short term来看的话你是
Speaker 9: 呃相当于是
Speaker 9: 呃save the九个人其实
Speaker 10: pure save pure save
Speaker 10: 对pure save的是是九个人
Speaker 9: 这是从short term来看的话但是我但是如果你从long time long term来看的话你其实是在
Speaker 9: 是在一直是在宣扬或者是是在鼓励encourage一种行为就是说
Speaker 9: 呃people
Speaker 9: people who obey the rules will get punish
Speaker 9: 这是从long time来看的话就会更多的人会选择是在铁轨上玩
Speaker 9: 然后这个方这引起的代价就是说
Speaker 10: 会是
Speaker 9: 更加的就是这个影响influence会更加大就是说
Speaker 9: 包括这个如果车子上呃火车上大家都这么玩的话那么火车根本就没法开了
Speaker 10: um因为
Speaker 10: every p every person
Speaker 9: 呃就是can他们可以他们可以valid the rule然后without any punishment
Speaker 9: 他们就会disobey the rule just because
Speaker 10: they they are the dominant
Speaker 10: 这会导致有点像是多数人的暴力这种感觉
Speaker 9: 所以我觉得
Speaker 10: 我还是会选择去kill ten people因为
Speaker 10: 从
Speaker 10: long
Speaker 10: 从这个长期的这个角度来看的话我觉得benefit它是要大过于这个cost
Speaker 10: 对
Speaker 10: 然后就是刚才就是你说的是一个即又加了一个前提
Speaker 10: 他就是说那十个人是
Speaker 10: 呃没有遵守规则
Speaker 10: break the law
Speaker 10: 但是那一个人是遵守规则在废弃的上面一个玩
Speaker 10: 就我觉得觉得如果现在这种情况下呢我可能也会选择
Speaker 10: same with you
Speaker 10: 就是先把那十个人给
Speaker 10: 对开过去
Speaker 10: 因为
Speaker 10: basically
Speaker 10: 呃legally
Speaker 10: 他这样做是没有问题的
Speaker 10: 对就是首先第一个然后这个司机不背锅
Speaker 10: 然后第二个呢我觉得就是像刚才说的就是
Speaker 10: 的确社会的这个秩序需要 [UNK] 维护
Speaker 10: 因为如果我们真的
Speaker 10: 就是开过去那一个人
Speaker 10: [UNK] 而因为为了救这十个人的命的话那以后可能会有更多的人
Speaker 10: 走上铁轨他们不怕这个
Speaker 10: 那会也许会造成更大的伤亡
Speaker 10: 所以说就为了更多的人或者说维护这个制度
Speaker 10: 那么就是肯定需要
Speaker 10: 这么选择
Speaker 10: 对但是还有另外一个角度这个问题就是说
Speaker 10: 就是我觉得这个问题的本质就是说你觉得十个人的命
Speaker 10: 和一个人的命
Speaker 10: 哪个更重要
Speaker 10: 对
Speaker 10: 就是因为它没有加任何前提的话他就问了这个就是你会
Speaker 10: 杀掉是杀十个还是杀一个人
Speaker 10: 对
Speaker 10: 就是杀十个人去救一个人嘛
Speaker 10: 所以说如果你觉得十个的人命比一个人更重要
Speaker 10: 那么也许这就是worth it
Speaker 10: 但是如果一个人的命更重要的话就是如果我们觉得生命都是平等的他们没有数量的分别
Speaker 10: 那可能这个问题就是
Speaker 10: 是可以的
Speaker 10: 对
Speaker 9: 所以你 [UNK] 如果只consider这种情况的话只是说
Speaker 9: 他们both alright的话那十个人和一个人那我觉得
Speaker 9: 在没有任何一个permission的情况下我也会选择去kill一个人
Speaker 9: 因为我因为我没有我们没有建议在任何的assumptions就是加我们唯一的assumption就是说他们都对 [UNK]
Speaker 9: 因为我不就我不知道他们 [UNK] 那我就假设他们都是
Speaker 9: 因为都是呃right做都是do right thing的
Speaker 10: 对
Speaker 9: 那在这种情况下我也会选择kill一个人
Speaker 9: 但是我觉得我认为
Speaker 9: 如果if [UNK] this question makes sense的话我觉得应该会需要在不同的condition条件下去 [UNK] 考虑这个问题
Speaker 10: 对
Speaker 10: 因为就是很多电影里面嘛都是
Speaker 10: 为了救一个人就死了大量的人
Speaker 10: 对所以说我觉得
Speaker 10: 就是他如果说要去牺牲十个人去救一个人他
Speaker 10: must have a goal
Speaker 10: and他们就是想宣扬一种就牺牲精神
Speaker 10: 因为他们知道如果去救他不一定会去
Speaker 10: 不一定会死
Speaker 10: 对他们至少是有机会活着回来但是那个人如果不去救就是
Speaker 10: 肯定是死了
Speaker 10: 哦i我明白i understand so
Speaker 10: so如果在这种情况比如说那个one那个one one person可能是一个general或者比较
Speaker 10: 比较productive或者比较smart people然后ten people可能是那些比较ordinary people和common people
Speaker 10: 我们会不会为了
Speaker 10: save那个important people然后来kill十个
Speaker 10: 对这又是另外一个condition
Speaker 10: 嗯
Speaker 10: 对反正这个问题吧
Speaker 10: 就是这样就是是不是领导先走
Speaker 10: 对吧
Speaker 10: ok然后what do you think the meaning of life
Speaker 10: meaning of life其实
Speaker 10: 我我也想过我也
Speaker 10: think我也尝试过想这个question
Speaker 10: 就
Speaker 9: 呃
Speaker 10: 我觉得现在我给自己的目标goal就是说
Speaker 10: to be some to be some more who deserved to be loved
Speaker 9: 我觉得
Speaker 10: 就扯到love的话题
Speaker 10: 呃loved可能是比较general的一个就是说
Speaker 10: 就是那那个love并不一定是指
Speaker 10: 呃男女之间的那种也可以是指更大意义上的就是admire或者这些东西
Speaker 10: 或者或者respect下这些东西但是我用love这个词
Speaker 10: 嗯
Speaker 9: 来来
Speaker 10: 就是因为对因为中文里面love这个词会比较会比较general一些
Speaker 9: 对
Speaker 9: 然后我我觉得
Speaker 10: 我觉得我们
Speaker 10: 呃有有人可能会说就是包括
Speaker 10: 就是最近recently就会有这种
Speaker 9: 呃
Speaker 10: issue就是说
Speaker 10: 我们a lot就是包括jack mikethat's uh涉及其中就讨论九九六的问题
Speaker 10: 就是说whether we should work for six days from nine am toninep m
Speaker 10: 嗯
Speaker 9: 然后
Speaker 10: 这个这里面有一个涉及的核心问题其实就是
Speaker 10: meaning of life的问题
Speaker 10: 就是如果
Speaker 10: 呃我觉得我们需要给people给给给common people一些opportunity choose their life
Speaker 9: 就说我们不应该
Speaker 10: 呃强制九九六
Speaker 10: 就是因为有些人他们的meaning of goal并不一定是work就是有些人可能把work
Speaker 10: 包括我现在也慢慢地把work当做
Speaker 10: 我实现我personal value的一个一种方式
Speaker 10: 但是有些人他们的
Speaker 10: 他们的goal或者他们的meaning of life可能并不是wok他们可能是是live或者是
Speaker 10: survive或者其他其他方面的东西所以我觉得
Speaker 10: 呃九九六不应该是一个compulsory的东西是应该是给一个pick
Speaker 10: 应该我们应该给大家choice的一个东西但是如果你
Speaker 10: 真的love你做的东西比如说你你很清楚就是你的你的work是work for yourself work
Speaker 10: Not for work for the company
Speaker 10: 所以你能够明白这一点的话其实九九六也不是不能接受因为它只是你
Speaker 10: 呃你你是realize your value的一个realize your dream的方式所以
Speaker 10: 所以我觉得取这个问题答案取决于你你想要什么样生活
Speaker 10: 就是你
Speaker 9: 包括说
Speaker 10: 你就是我之前听到过一个一种讲法就是
Speaker 10: 讲投资investment其实investment是一种
Speaker 10: 呃是一种时间意义上的平衡消费
Speaker 9: 意思就是说
Speaker 10: 呃你你现在play了ok其实你是在
Speaker 9: 其实
Speaker 10: 你现在其实play是为了是因为你earn是因为你你挣得 [UNK] you you earn it
Speaker 10: 然后你如果现在work了其实是为了将来更更好的play
Speaker 9: 所以真呃所以我觉得如果
Speaker 10: 如果你看清楚这一点的话
Speaker 10: 呃那么你现在work其实为了future的play然后你
Speaker 10: 你现在work hard是为了future的better life所以
Speaker 10: 呃所以我觉得如果我们把我们的眼光放长一点的话就是我们应该
Speaker 10: 可能会更加prefer九九六但是我们应该给people的一些choice然后因为这这取决于他们怎么定义定义他们的life
Speaker 10: 然后我说回到我开始的话题就是说我为什么认为我的
Speaker 10: 我的那个life um meaning of life是说be some who deserved to be loved是因为
Speaker 9: 我觉得呃
Speaker 10: 我觉得呃不是我们的meaning其实很大程度上取决于status和取决于你的family
Speaker 10: 然后呃因为我们其实有的时候我们很难改变我们自己的这个argument或者自己的idea
Speaker 10: 但是我们会呃我们我们的value和我们的这个因为我们我们对自己的evaluation比较subjective
Speaker 10: 然后别人对我们的评价比较um objective所以当
Speaker 10: 当你得到most of people的respect的时候其实就证明就是其实就是在说
Speaker 10: you are doing the right thing
Speaker 10: 嗯
Speaker 10: 否则的话其实你有的时候如果更所以我觉得这是一种
Speaker 10: 一种给我feedback的一种方式就证明我we are I am becoming a better person
Speaker 10: 嗯对所以我觉得这种方式能够一种一这一种方式能够让我
Speaker 10: 就是得到self satisfaction就是说我我自己我对自己其实满意的因为
Speaker 10: 呃因为我得到这种feedback和这种嗯这种结果让我其实呃嗯
Speaker 10: 可能得可能会交到更多的朋友可能会生活的更好所以我觉得我现在定义的这个meaning of life就是这个
Speaker 10: 我之前以前想过这个问题就非常的伤心因为我发现就是life is meaningless
Speaker 10: 就是如果你就想得非常
Speaker 10: 特呵很靠后的话那种
Speaker 10: 就是会觉得
Speaker 10: 对吧每个人都要
Speaker 10: 积极
Speaker 10: 然后整个宇宙也要积极
Speaker 10: 所以说就
Speaker 10: 很难找到一个正儿八经的说一个
Speaker 10: very
Speaker 10: very perfect
Speaker 10: explanation
Speaker 10: 对但是呢后来
Speaker 10: 就就就当时一度就非常伤心吗
Speaker 10: 对然后但是其实到现在哲学家其实就是研究这个问题就是人活着是图啥
Speaker 10: 但是到现在也没有人可以给出答案
Speaker 10: 所以说我觉得
Speaker 10: 就是
Speaker 10: 就是先活活看
Speaker 10: 因为我发现就是
Speaker 10: 一个经历越丰富的人
Speaker 10: 他越不会去质疑自己的
Speaker 10: meaning of life
Speaker 10: 所以说肯定是
Speaker 10: 这种
Speaker 10: 呃
Speaker 10: 丰富的经历
Speaker 10: 给了他这种
Speaker 10: 自信或者给他这种勇气
Speaker 10: 去面对人生的这个结局
Speaker 10: 所以说我觉得
Speaker 10: 呃
Speaker 10: 觉得钱就是人生前半段就是比如说自己在拼搏时期在年轻的时候
Speaker 10: meaning of life就是说
Speaker 10: 保障自己经历更丰富去建立更经历更多的事情
Speaker 10: 这样的话when you get old
Speaker 10: you may be not regret
Speaker 10: and you may very
Speaker 10: very happy and very confident to face
Speaker 10: to face the end
Speaker 10: 对就是我觉得
Speaker 10: 是这样但是
Speaker 10: 你要真正说人生的意义其实
Speaker 10: 很难因为我之前有学哲学的同学
Speaker 10: 学出来一个个都是感觉
Speaker 10: 对吧我感觉哲学到最后是
Speaker 10: 人会变得有点悲观呢
Speaker 10: 所以就没有人学哲学就后来就每天乐呵呵了
Speaker 10: 大家都是学这个学很深的话就是比较
Speaker 10: 悲观so sad
Speaker 10: 对所以我觉得还是应该多做一些事啊正儿八经的事儿
Speaker 10: 比如说研究研究ai对吧
Speaker 10: 然后研究研究这种technology方面的东西
Speaker 10: 对因为这种人文东西我觉得
Speaker 10: 跟technology是息息相关的
Speaker 10: 就比如说
Speaker 10: 学学习technology的增长medicine还有medical这种
Speaker 10: 对hospital这种东西的提升
Speaker 10: 人的生命长度就改变了
Speaker 10: 觉我感觉一个人比如说
Speaker 10: 一个聪明程度是五十的人
Speaker 10: 和一个 [UNK] 一百的人他们的这个
Speaker 10: meaning of life是不一样的
Speaker 10: 就是
Speaker 10: 对我就觉得就是包括以后未来啊
Speaker 10: 如果继续比如说我没有之前也看过报道
Speaker 10: ai替换了整个人体对吧
Speaker 10: 这个人体换成金属的然后只留下你的memory
Speaker 10: 和你的这个personality
Speaker 10: 那你就是也许你还算活着吧
Speaker 10: 就是这样的话人类也许人类一生会会比原来更长
Speaker 10: 等于说这时候人的这个meaning of life可能又不一样
Speaker 10: 对所以我觉得
Speaker 10: 就是
Speaker 10: 就是以专门研究philosophy可能是
Speaker 10: 就是可能是无法直接的达达达到这个研究的目的
Speaker 10: 反正你如果研究technology去真正
Speaker 10: 促进这个的发展促进这个人类社会的发展可能会更更接近这个目标
Speaker 10: 对我
Speaker 9: 在这一点上还是蛮同意你的就是说我觉得研究philosophy的话其实有点脱离实际了
Speaker 10: 就是你研究philosophy
Speaker 9: 就是太过于
Speaker 9: 抽象abstract
Speaker 9: 当然就是当你太过抽象的时候你没有任何的
Speaker 10: make a really
Speaker 10: difference的话你可能会觉得
Speaker 10: 其实你其实没有做太对了就是没有说没有做真的contribution了
Speaker 10: 你其实只是在bullshit
Speaker 10: 对
Speaker 9: 然后
Speaker 9: 至于你说的五十到一百的话五十个人五十岁和一百岁的人的生命价值
Speaker 9: 是不一样的我是
Speaker 9: 是
Speaker 9: 我觉得这一点的话我觉得并并不取决于生命的长度
Speaker 9: 我觉得
Speaker 9: 呃我认为
Speaker 9: 我认为还是要找一个meaning of life
Speaker 9: 我也思考过这个问题就是我也思考过就是说
Speaker 9: but in end大家都会die
Speaker 9: 所以为什么why why we need to live呢
Speaker 9: 所以这个问题取决于你因为
Speaker 9: 一个问一个question就是一个issue就是说
Speaker 9: 我我们
Speaker 9: 首先我们我们希望make the assumption that we我们不能die out
Speaker 10: yeah
Speaker 9: 是因为我们有family我们有我们有friends我们我们
Speaker 9: show our respect to ourselves and the我们需要珍惜我们的生命所以我们不能够死
Speaker 9: 对所以我们在这个前提之之下我们我觉得我还是
Speaker 9: 去讨需要去讨论
Speaker 9: 就是说
Speaker 9: 我们的meaning是什么然后你你的你的argument是说我们
Speaker 9: 我们边边看边走
Speaker 9: 呃我也尝试过这个阶段
Speaker 9: 然后我觉得
Speaker 9: 这个有点
Speaker 9: 不够
Speaker 9: 对不够specific没有很明确的这个feedback
Speaker 9: 然后
Speaker 9: 这其实相当于是好像是说
Speaker 9: 我我认为还是要找一个比较specific的goal这样的话你可以明确知道呃
Speaker 9: 而且这个goal必须是long term
Speaker 9: 你的如果只是说边边边看边走或者说我们我们下次也也一样的所以我们需要work hard
Speaker 9: 那你只是给自己当前的这个阶段订了一个目标
Speaker 9: 对但是你我觉得这个这个这个这个goal这个goal就是这个meaning还不够不够大因为我们需要定义meaning of life
Speaker 10: 所以
Speaker 9: 所以work只是一一部分了
Speaker 9: 然后
Speaker 9: 对我觉得
Speaker 10: 更多的是feedback
Speaker 9: 对我觉得所以我觉得meaning of life要
Speaker 9: 定的大一些
Speaker 9: 然后
Speaker 9: 我觉得还是
Speaker 9: 要有这样一个
Speaker 9: 要有这样一种
Speaker 10: 思维吧或者说thought一直要去思考think about the problem
Speaker 10: 嗯
Speaker 9: 然后more slowly to you你可以
Speaker 9: 你可以不停的换
Speaker 9: 就是你可以再到呃a temporary one
Speaker 9: and if you found that's useful you can keep it
Speaker 9: [UNK] 否则的话你可以
Speaker 10: 对switch
Speaker 9: 对但是你当你
Speaker 9: 当你experience的会给你feedback的时候你会知道
Speaker 9: whether我我们是不是要换until you find the the the real one you
Speaker 9: 你真的是觉得那就是你的目标
Speaker 10: yeah
Speaker 9: 对而且第二个就是我觉得有了目标以后
Speaker 9: 就是人生会更加有动力和
Speaker 9: 明确你where are you going否则的话你其实就是
Speaker 9: 可以过一那种状呃就是当你回到 [UNK] 的生活也没有任何的
Speaker 9: problem你可以
Speaker 9: 玩手机玩一天或者是去
Speaker 9: 颓废一天也没有什么关系因为
Speaker 9: 嗯因为这只是其实主要取决于你goal就是你有没有goal有没有feedback
Speaker 9: 而如果你有feedback你知道这个是negative的那你就会improve it
Speaker 10: yeah
Speaker 9: 对否则的话你没有feedback negative的话没有negative reward的话
Speaker 9: 你的reinforcement就撑不起来
Speaker 10: yeah
Speaker 9: 就是我现在做的问题呵呵
Speaker 9: 所以我觉得
Speaker 9: reward还是蛮重要的
Speaker 10: 嗯
Speaker 9: 对我觉得
Speaker 9: 这之前我只需要我的看法
Speaker 10: good
Speaker 10: go
Speaker 10: ok
Speaker 11: 所以你是这种觉得游泳的话是比较就是你的汗已经出到游泳池里了自己是清爽的是不是
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 塔门普台
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 不知道love and pace吧哈哈
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 对我其实非常喜欢hiking就是我之前刚来香港的时候我们会有一个orientation week然后呢就教大家怎么在香港玩
Speaker 11: 然后很多同学是会就是那个去那种pub呀club呀这种但是我就属于那种
Speaker 11: 我属于那种比较喜欢看阳光的人然后呢就是觉得还算比较refreshing吧然后我就去了很多很多的山我当时幻想着说我就是可以
Speaker 11: 四年在香港走了所有的hiking troll但是是不可能的然后但我给你推荐一个就是你知道
Speaker 11: 嗯太平山那边嘛没有去过吗就是港大那边从那个Hong Kong U的后山有一个那个爬山的径可以直接上到太平山上面
Speaker 11: 大概走半个小时就到了而且那个属于那种呃不用特别上极上极下下的就是它就非常的
Speaker 11: 容易走然后走一圈可以看到那个港岛那边的景致而且非常的适合你就是那种出汗非常少的那种啊
Speaker 11: 对不会像爬麦理浩径那么的那个累对对对
Speaker 11: 对还有一个推再给你推荐一个
Speaker 11: 叫也是在港岛上面叫那个
Speaker 11: 对大潭水塘是在那个鰂鱼涌
Speaker 11: 你知道北角那站嘛北角再往再往前一站是北鰂鱼涌站从那边直接上山就
Speaker 11: 挺好看的对对对然后呢下山的话是在
Speaker 11: 那个坐小巴去坐mini bus去 [UNK]
Speaker 11: 山叫做
Speaker 11: good question
Speaker 11: so the name of the mountain I forgot but对但是那个地方叫做大潭水塘
Speaker 11: 大潭水塘
Speaker 11: 对大潭水塘
Speaker 11: 对是以前就是
Speaker 11: 在那个
Speaker 11: 英属殖民时期修的
Speaker 11: 而且就是人特别特别少
Speaker 11: 就是VIP的那种感觉
Speaker 11: 香港爬山就是经常这种感觉看不到人特别少
Speaker 11: 功能性就是以前是真的是就是水库
Speaker 11: 对对对对
Speaker 11: 但是我现在听说seventy percent那个就是我们的这个drinking water都是from Guangzhou
Speaker 11: 对我觉得香港这个hiking还是挺好玩的你你之前有没有那个camping啊
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 啊你可以租啊
Speaker 11: 外面
Speaker 11: weekdays
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 爬山
Speaker 11: 我觉得蛮不错的之前我就
Speaker 11: 在香港就是camping过一次然后那次经历我们还看到流星了呢
Speaker 11: 就在西贡那边
Speaker 11: 在去年去年的时候
Speaker 11: 但是我是跟我朋友就是自己那个就是去那种rental company然后去去租他的那些设备
Speaker 11: 然后就
Speaker 11: 呃not very expensive啦就是几几百几百块
Speaker 11: 一人摊下来的话两三百块
Speaker 11: 对然后但是就是坏处就是要自己背过去
Speaker 11: 然后我们当时没有经验
Speaker 11: 然后就
Speaker 11: 防潮垫什么的就是
Speaker 11: 防潮垫垫完了以后还是硬吗
Speaker 11: 我们下面的话就直接放了睡袋
Speaker 11: 然后就没有再垫多垫几个垫子所以那一那一晚上几乎是
Speaker 11: 就是潮倒不潮就特别硬
Speaker 11: 对然后但是我去的那个
Speaker 11: 那边的那个营地挺好的就在西西西西贡那边然后叫湾仔西还是湾仔南
Speaker 11: 两个都有然后他是我第一次见这么好营地就是它旁边是有那种流动水的
Speaker 11: 还有厕所的
Speaker 11: 然后但是你走两
Speaker 11: 就是像我们这种
Speaker 11: 没有就是厕所
Speaker 11: 他建好了厕所
Speaker 11: 然后带你走两步出来以后就是海
Speaker 11: 所以说就非常非常的convenient对
Speaker 11: 湾仔西
Speaker 11: 对在西贡那边
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 嗯特别特别好
Speaker 11: 挺好的
Speaker 11: 那你除了这个hiking然后你刚才说swimming你有去过学校的那个swimming pool吗
Speaker 11: 说它的view非常好吗还是说它的那个就是它的facility啊什么的非常好
Speaker 11: 所以说是那种就是那种就是像网红无无边际游泳池的那种感觉吗
Speaker 11: 啊
Speaker 11: 但是你扒着那个崖是可以看到海的吗
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 是是因为现在特别的冷吗
Speaker 11: 你知道它它多深吗你知道它那就是最深的地方多深吗
Speaker 11: 就是深水区会会有很深吗因为我
Speaker 11: 啊
Speaker 11: 你会游到最最最里面吗
Speaker 11: 恩
Speaker 11: 我现在属于我的那个level还在于我脚能站着地我心里才会比较踏实的那种那种level的对
Speaker 11: 所以就我不太敢去游游泳池因为我之前坑过我同学
Speaker 11: 就是我不是你知道那个深水区到浅水区有个坡嘛我在那个坡的时候有点踩踩下去了然后我就
Speaker 11: 对挣扎然后我把旁边同学摁下去了
Speaker 11: 你可以游回来
Speaker 11: 我已经
Speaker 11: 就是就是已经成为竖直了
Speaker 11: 就变成了vertical已经不是 [UNK]
Speaker 11: 对所以说我当时就比较慌张就不敢游了嗯
Speaker 11: 如果它能提供什么浮飘的话我觉得我还是可以去
Speaker 11: 啊真的
Speaker 11: 啊
Speaker 11: 学校
Speaker 11: 哦
Speaker 11: 那可以
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 啊就pay extra attention
Speaker 11: 哦
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 是而且最近下雨
Speaker 11: 你有去过学校的gym吗
Speaker 11: but我
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 学生宿舍
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: how small
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 可能是因为没有什么器械没人愿意去
Speaker 11: 而且应该也是因为new open
Speaker 11: 啊
Speaker 11: 啊也是嫌远对对对
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 嗯对
Speaker 11: 我之前因为我我是现在开才刚开始学那个tennis
Speaker 11: 然后呢它有一些tennis court会在那个海边嘛对那边的就几乎没有人反而是LSK这边就定了很多
Speaker 13: do you think our universe is real
Speaker 14: maybe
Speaker 14: if
Speaker 14: we are real maybe we're universe is real or maybe is all fantasy
Speaker 14: we are all living in others fantasy
Speaker 13: it's like we are living in a二次元世界we are made by someone
Speaker 13: in更高维度
Speaker 13: 对对对嗯
Speaker 14: yeah and he is just looking us like this
Speaker 13: the黑镜黑镜got one [UNK] episode like this
Speaker 13: I don't know if you see it
Speaker 13: is it黑镜
Speaker 13: yeah黑镜got one episode that's the
Speaker 13: two a couple呃对one couple
Speaker 13: find a whole civilization
Speaker 13: 在冰箱里
Speaker 14: uh is that黑镜
Speaker 14: I remember it's it's love robot and death yes I see this that this one is interesting
Speaker 13: yeah yeah yeah this one is very interesting and
Speaker 13: maybe this is us呃我们住在别人的refrigerator
Speaker 14: yeah
Speaker 13: 呃
Speaker 14: 嗯
Speaker 14: do we have free will
Speaker 13: of course
Speaker 13: we have free will
Speaker 13: um
Speaker 13: I think everyone have has free will and
Speaker 13: 你知道之前讲什么卢梭不是讲什么人类是什么带着枷锁
Speaker 14: 卢梭
Speaker 13: [UNK] 就是人生而自由却却却又
Speaker 13: 却又什么无往无往不在枷锁啊
Speaker 13: whatever
Speaker 13: 对I think呃I think
Speaker 13: we have we'll have free will but we have to cater the
Speaker 13: 自由意志in the
Speaker 13: civilization就是我们需要把我们的自由意志来放到整个就是
Speaker 13: 呃society里面然后让它cater to the needs of the society
Speaker 13: so
Speaker 13: 嗯还是有吧对
Speaker 14: 嗯
Speaker 14: our
Speaker 14: free will is the living under the
Speaker 14: whole
Speaker 14: society moral system
Speaker 14: or yeah
Speaker 14: so it's not totally free i think if if it's totally free
Speaker 13: 那世界就乱套了
Speaker 14: 那真的是
Speaker 13: so what is freedom
Speaker 14: what is freedom
Speaker 14: freedom is you can do whatever you want you you are not
Speaker 14: 没有被任何东西束缚就是
Speaker 14: 你不会因为
Speaker 14: 你不会因为
Speaker 14: 呃
Speaker 14: 你不会因为要上班所以
Speaker 14: 嗯但是也没有绝对的自由吧
Speaker 14: 你不会因为要上班所以你就不能去旅行
Speaker 14: 嗯如果你合理安排你的工作
Speaker 14: 那你也可以和
Speaker 14: 就是抽出那么几天
Speaker 14: 去旅行
Speaker 14: 但是
Speaker 14: 嗯
Speaker 14: 没有自律就没有自由
Speaker 14: 还是
Speaker 13: when i see freedom我就想到了那个
Speaker 13: i don't know勇敢的心
Speaker 14: 啊
Speaker 13: and
Speaker 13: the actor just said
Speaker 13: freedom
Speaker 13: 这是i think it's like
Speaker 13: first of all it's like human rights就是
Speaker 13: 那个需要有基本的生存空间
Speaker 14: 嗯
Speaker 13: yeah and then you talk about freedom like you can do whatever you like like woman can
Speaker 13: 呃
Speaker 13: 又可以工作也可以去做一些house wife but it's according to their will
Speaker 13: 就是而不是说就是社会环境
Speaker 13: 就逼迫他去做这样一件事情
Speaker 13: so i think freedom is the give you is to给你一个空间去选择给你一个自由的空间去选
Speaker 14: is true freedom possible
Speaker 14: true freedom possible
Speaker 13: i think it's possible
Speaker 13: 呃我觉得这个要看
Speaker 13: 我how do you define就是自由这个东西
Speaker 13: 就是如果说自由就像我we have talked talked about it's like
Speaker 13: 呃under the society and this whole system我觉得这个freedom是可以是available的是
Speaker 13: 是feasible in the future
Speaker 13: 呃但是如果you you are talking about absolute freedom i don't think it's possible
Speaker 13: 就是绝对自由是不存在的
Speaker 13: 就是如果对
Speaker 13: somebody's totally freedom into others it's like [UNK]
Speaker 13: so只是相对的自由是feasible的
Speaker 14: 嗯
Speaker 14: i know agree
Speaker 13: what is the best moral system
Speaker 14: well
Speaker 14: the best moral system is hard to define
Speaker 14: we are improving our moral system everyday
Speaker 14: and i don't think there's best now
Speaker 14: there's
Speaker 14: 就是还没有一个最好的已经存在的
Speaker 14: 就是也是每天都在改变
Speaker 13: yeah it's changing
Speaker 13: changing就是随着社会的发展the moral system is also developing
Speaker 14: 对
Speaker 14: 嗯
Speaker 13: what's the meaning of life
Speaker 14: 啊
Speaker 14: the meaning of life is
Speaker 14: 就我现在这个阶段而言我觉得是你想做什么就可以做什么
Speaker 14: 就是实现
Speaker 14: 真正的自由
Speaker 13: 实现真正的自由
Speaker 13: 从心所欲
Speaker 14: 对
Speaker 14: 对
Speaker 13: just like
Speaker 13: yeah just like have the ability to do everything i want and就是
Speaker 13: 可能首先让我们这个阶段要实现的就是Financial Freedom就是财务自由
Speaker 14: 嗯
Speaker 13: 然后and may be in the next stage we can realize other freedom
Speaker 13: 就是有其他的能力去做一些想做的事情and to do something meaningful to
Speaker 13: to自己and社会and the maybe anything
Speaker 13: 就是做一些自自己觉得有意思的事情
Speaker 14: 嗯
Speaker 13: Do humans have a soul
Speaker 13: Do [UNK] have a soul
Speaker 13: Do humans have a soul
Speaker 14: Do humans have a soul maybe
Speaker 14: 呃
Speaker 14: I am a human but I'm not sure I have soul or not
Speaker 14: Is soul really exist
Speaker 13: because我们都是无神论主
Speaker 14: 嗯对对对
Speaker 13: yeah we are know我们都是唯物主义者
Speaker 14: 对呀就是就是这些
Speaker 14: 肉体器官组成的不知道有没有
Speaker 14: 那种的
Speaker 13: Maybe you can find soul like differently就是可能是一个
Speaker 14: 思想
Speaker 13: yes思想like mind
Speaker 13: yeah
Speaker 13: then it's it's exist
Speaker 14: maybe
Speaker 14: or
Speaker 14: soul is就是
Speaker 14: 嗯在物理上存在的你可以
Speaker 14: 你死了以后真的可以看到一个灵魂从你身上飘走吧
Speaker 13: we could know that's until我们死了
Speaker 14: 但是别人死的时候我们也没看到
Speaker 14: oh maybe soul is really exist but
Speaker 14: only death people can see it so we don't know
Speaker 14: do animals have soul
Speaker 14: 一样的道理啊
Speaker 13: yeah the same
Speaker 14: [UNK] in the dead we can see the soul
Speaker 13: 嗯
Speaker 13: ok next what is gravity and how does it work
Speaker 14: you should ask Newton
Speaker 14: 问问牛顿啊
Speaker 14: 对伽利略
Speaker 14: 呃都忘光了
Speaker 13: yeah我也忘光了
Speaker 14: 不如搜一下定义了
Speaker 13: you know it's like呃
Speaker 13: the earth is having some kind of force就是and人们就会受这个force的影响
Speaker 14: 被吸在地上
Speaker 13: yeah they are follow yes
Speaker 13: it's a content number like九点八
Speaker 14: 嗯yeah yeah yeah
Speaker 13: 加速度对吧accelerate
Speaker 14: yeah
Speaker 13: I don't know any other I'm poor in physic
Speaker 13: universe
Speaker 13: universal
Speaker 13: 平行世界
Speaker 13: actually the [UNK] about
Speaker 13: 平行世界
Speaker 13: yeah spoiler
Speaker 14: 不要再给我剧透
Speaker 14: 我明天就要去看了
Speaker 13: yeah [UNK] parallel universal because
Speaker 13: 嗯
Speaker 13: I think it may maybe exists because like we are facing difference kind of
Speaker 13: 选择就是我们有很多有很多选择的方向and maybe different directions leads to a
Speaker 13: different cosmo
Speaker 13: 就是不一样的选择就会带我们到一个新的
Speaker 13: 环境就是because
Speaker 13: 在一个重大的point然后你做了一个different choice
Speaker 13: 你就会到了另一个parallel
Speaker 13: cosmo
Speaker 13: do you understand it
Speaker 13: 这是可能
Speaker 13: 某一件事情在这个点有两个分支
Speaker 14: 嗯
Speaker 13: 然后你做的这个选择也就进了这个平行空间那你做
Speaker 13: 第二次玩you are in another one
Speaker 14: 嗯
Speaker 14: 听起来有点像听起来有点像black mirror最后一步那个可以做选择的那个
Speaker 14: 就是你选择怎么做
Speaker 13: yeah I I think it it
Speaker 13: it's possible and since it's
Speaker 13: definition is the parallel就是parallel就是两个不可以相交嘛
Speaker 14: 嗯
Speaker 13: they would never know
Speaker 13: 至少我们不可以去deny它的存在就是我们不可以去证明它不存在
Speaker 13: yeah so it maybe
Speaker 13: existing
Speaker 14: yeah
Speaker 14: interesting
Speaker 13: are religion and science could [UNK]
Speaker 13: why or why not
Speaker 13: 宗教和科学是不是兼容
Speaker 14: 嗯我觉得不冲突啊
Speaker 14: 来自不同宗教的人也可以就是
Speaker 14: 共同一起研究
Speaker 14: 一起做研究做research
Speaker 13: 对我觉得有很多就是researcher他们同时也是个religion的一个信徒
Speaker 13: 我觉得这个不冲突就是而且
Speaker 13: 随着science的发展其实religion很多的教义也在
Speaker 13: developing
Speaker 13: them not compatible and
Speaker 13: I think some someone
Speaker 13: 就是有一个物理学的我忘了是谁就是有一个名人说
Speaker 13: 他觉得上帝是存在的
Speaker 13: 就是一个物理 [UNK]
Speaker 14: 物理学家
Speaker 13: 物理学家I I forgot
Speaker 14: 他那他证明出来了吗
Speaker 13: 就是至少我们不能wecan't proved that
Speaker 13: God does not existso
Speaker 13: 就是所以就是
Speaker 13: 也可以compatible吧
Speaker 14: 嗯嗯
Speaker 13: what is love
Speaker 13: love is
Speaker 14: what
Speaker 14: what is love
Speaker 13: love is
Speaker 14: and do you do you have you seen the commercial
Speaker 14: the the foryeah what what do you [UNK]
Speaker 13: I don't know love is like
Speaker 13: like you have someone you admire嗯就是有一个人活成了
Speaker 13: someone you want to be maybe
Speaker 13: 就是你看到一个人他活成了你想活的样子and you are just admire him
Speaker 14: 嗯
Speaker 13: and
Speaker 13: that maybe love
Speaker 14: 但是也有人说爱是互补的
Speaker 13: yeah
Speaker 13: it's depends on different people就是每个人有不一样的喜欢的点because
Speaker 13: maybe someone would like some like the people who
Speaker 13: has the personality she doesn't have but
Speaker 13: 还有一些人就会觉得他
Speaker 13: like similar person
Speaker 14: 嗯
Speaker 13: 有可能
Speaker 14: 我觉得人
Speaker 14: 人生来就是自私的但是爱就是让你
Speaker 14: 嗯愿意为那个人做
Speaker 14: 愿意为那个人做任何事而不求回报
Speaker 14: don't ask for
Speaker 14: 嗯give back
Speaker 13: 哦我觉得你比我更加
Speaker 13: 单纯一些I don't think peoplecan do anything for her lover for or for for his lover
Speaker 13: because就是我觉得这是一个
Speaker 13: 互利共赢
Speaker 13: no [UNK] you can't say that that's就是也不能说的那么物质but it's like互利共赢的一个关系就是
Speaker 13: 我欣赏你你欣赏我and we are together and we are trying to
Speaker 13: get bet就是一起变成更好的人but not like I'mdoing things for you
Speaker 13: 就是
Speaker 13: 我我做事情为你就是it's like我愿意的but
Speaker 13: i'm not
Speaker 13: 我不是因为你可以为我做任何事情所以和你在一起而是因为我喜欢你这个人所以才和你在一起
Speaker 14: I don't know
Speaker 14: I agree
Speaker 15: and for the topic [UNK] sport and the question is should boys and girls play on same sex team
Speaker 15: 我觉得
Speaker 15: 不不太清楚这个问题但是我觉得如果我要选的话
Speaker 15: no I don't think boy and girl should play in the same sex team
Speaker 15: because first of all our physical abilities different so like as a team you
Speaker 15: you need to corporate and work together and fight together right but then if you're abilities are different then I feel like
Speaker 15: 那个会很难一点
Speaker 15: 一起 [UNK] 运动的话比较会难
Speaker 16: 嗯我觉得看情况就是
Speaker 16: 呃some of the
Speaker 16: sports games are like everyone needs to be strong or everyone needs to be uh fast
Speaker 16: 但是有的可能是more about team work
Speaker 16: 那在这样的情况之下我觉得男生会有他们比较好的一些特质
Speaker 16: 嗯
Speaker 16: 然后
Speaker 16: 你girls also uh good at other things所以我觉得如果是类似于这样的项目的话其实
Speaker 16: 两 [UNK] 就还可以了就
Speaker 15: do you have an example of what type of sports maybe
Speaker 16: [UNK] 如果badminton它其实可以说混双
Speaker 15: 啊对对对
Speaker 16: 那这样情况一般可能大力的这个就是男生负责嘛然后往前需要非常灵活的可能就一个女生在负责我觉得
Speaker 16: 你我我不能说就是就一定比两就一定打得比两个男生好但是我觉得
Speaker 16: that's okay就就就这样的team是okay的嗯
Speaker 15: 嗯好的同意下一个问题
Speaker 16: 呃
Speaker 16: which sport is the best or which one is the most challenging
Speaker 16: basketball
Speaker 16: this is other sport um
Speaker 15: 就是
Speaker 15: 篮球或
Speaker 15: 足球
Speaker 16: 其实我没有什么preference
Speaker 15: 我也没有
Speaker 16: 我是一个很宅的人
Speaker 16: 就
Speaker 16: 就基本上
Speaker 16: 就很奇怪我我爸我爸我爸就非常
Speaker 16: 喜欢运动然后他各种什么
Speaker 16: 篮球
Speaker 16: 足球羽毛球我觉得他反正跟球当然相关的他都喜欢去玩
Speaker 16: 呃是我就不喜欢可是
Speaker 16: 受到他的影响我可能会更喜欢篮球一点吧
Speaker 16: 对因为我觉得
Speaker 16: 足球这件事情
Speaker 16: 嗯
Speaker 16: 就是场地特别大
Speaker 16: 然后大部分的时间都在跑步
Speaker 16: 就我觉得技术性没有篮球那么强
Speaker 16: 这可能是我爸给我的偏见对
Speaker 15: 我觉得
Speaker 15: 足球比较难一点因为刚才你说
Speaker 15: the football pitch are lot bigger and you need to run a lot right that's like is
Speaker 15: physically more demanding所以会更累然后更累就是更难吧
Speaker 15: 对那就是我的想法因为我
Speaker 15: 上
Speaker 15: 高中的时候篮球和足球两个都玩过
Speaker 15: 然后我觉得篮球更好玩因为那个
Speaker 15: the basketball court is lot smaller so there's more interaction with your teammates and more
Speaker 15: you feel more competitive and you want to like win this game however the soccer is like
Speaker 15: running from one end to the another end is like很久然后很累所以我就
Speaker 15: 啊我不想玩了那样的感觉所以我觉得challenging
Speaker 15: 足球更challenging但是好玩就是篮球吧
Speaker 16: ok同意同意
Speaker 15: 同意同意嗯
Speaker 16: do you think China will have the winner of the World Cup in next twenty years
Speaker 16: 呃
Speaker 16: 还是我先噢就我不觉得我我不相信
Speaker 16: i [UNK] think first of all
Speaker 16: the the parents don't
Speaker 16: don't don't really let their children to do what they want
Speaker 16: 其实现在很多
Speaker 16: 就是少年足球因为我我我知道国内有这些情况
Speaker 16: 然后我也比较熟这个事情就是很多都是爸妈很想他完成自己的梦想
Speaker 16: uh [UNK] it's the father who wanted to be a uh football player
Speaker 16: 然后他push他的小孩去去踢足球
Speaker 16: 我不排除说有些人也真的爱上了足球了但是其实
Speaker 16: 这个动机是是不可持续的
Speaker 16: 就是
Speaker 16: 就就是真的想玩的想想想玩足球然后很有天赋的人很可能他爸妈希望他读书然后真的被就是爸妈很支持他踢球的人可能不是那么talented的
Speaker 16: 所以我觉得嗯就是整个这样的一个 [UNK] 就是筛选的机制就很难选出合适的人
Speaker 16: 这是第一点然后第二点就是其实国内
Speaker 16: 我觉得这个文化就是大家没有那么
Speaker 16: 把运动员作为一个很好的出路在家长的心中
Speaker 16: 所以我知道有很多初中或者小学他们踢得很好的人面临高考的时候全部都荒废掉了
Speaker 16: 那我觉得就如果我我就是这种体制没有很好的变化的话
Speaker 16: 我觉得
Speaker 16: I mean parents have no incentives to to to support this thing
Speaker 16: 那就再见了
Speaker 15: 我我不太了解中国内地的情况所以我
Speaker 15: 不知道说什么but then if I need to like voice out my opinion it really depends on how much
Speaker 15: 政府想support or not然后我觉得是未来的二十年嘛
Speaker 15: 因为because sports especial World Cup is becoming more and more competitive in a sense that
Speaker 15: a component is to be
Speaker 15: rich and have a good image
Speaker 15: and that the way one way to obtain these very good image is through winning the sports game and World Cup is one of the sports came along with the Olympics right所以我觉得
Speaker 15: 未来的二十慢慢政府会越来越对
Speaker 15: 运动那些情况
Speaker 15: more supportive I feel like
Speaker 15: and if the government become more supportive
Speaker 15: there's a chance the govern
Speaker 15: 中国很大人也很多那
Speaker 15: 足球天才一定会有啊
Speaker 15: 对so as long as the government is [UNK] is willing to support and like
Speaker 15: get those like天才out of the school
Speaker 15: then why not like there's a chance
Speaker 16: ok呃I I I just one uh add one point因为
Speaker 16: 其实国内现在因为
Speaker 16: 习主席非常支持足球
Speaker 16: 哦那就导致其实有很多现在很多中学和小学都在
Speaker 16: 做这件事情
Speaker 15: 嗯
Speaker 16: but the
Speaker 16: tricky point is that
Speaker 16: 就是因为大家太想做这件事情嘛
Speaker 16: 所以他们会在小小孩子很小的时候开始
Speaker 16: 教他们各种技巧
Speaker 16: and
Speaker 16: 呃呃呃他们就靠这些tricks
Speaker 16: 来来赢得可能十二岁以前的各种国际比赛
Speaker 16: 所以如果你去看这种
Speaker 16: 呃分年龄段的
Speaker 16: football international team呃competition
Speaker 16: 那这种情况下就是可能基本上十二到十四岁是一个分水岭
Speaker 16: 比这个小的
Speaker 16: 中国的表现都超好
Speaker 16: 然后比这个大的就完蛋了
Speaker 16: 就是就是就是就是大家会很想要出成绩
Speaker 16: 而以至于他们
Speaker 16: 并没有一个非常
Speaker 16: 科学的培养体系it's like
Speaker 16: but it's like
Speaker 16: 我我我直接在小学的时候教你微积分来做一些题目
Speaker 16: 你会了之后但是you just hate it
Speaker 15: 啊ok
Speaker 16: 那那那那那你将来并不想做这件事情
Speaker 16: 那就完蛋了所以我觉得有就是even if government to want to do this
Speaker 16: 这些教练他们的做法也是会使得这件事情非常难办成所以
Speaker 16: I just [UNK] is impossible
Speaker 15: 啊我懂了我懂了
Speaker 15: 在韩国也是那个比较相相似的情况
Speaker 15: 但是那个整个team来说就是跟中国差不多
Speaker 15: 但是那个team里面有那个特殊的两三个player那他们是跟其他人目的不一样的然后是他们
Speaker 15: 把韩国足球
Speaker 15: team more successful in a way so yeah
Speaker 15: ok
Speaker 15: what do you think of e-sports such as mobile legends l l d [UNK]
Speaker 15: pork ok games do you think it will be in the olympic games
Speaker 16: 呃I think
Speaker 16: I don't I don't think they should be in the olympic games I
Speaker 16: I don't know I just um
Speaker 16: I think they can have their own olympic but
Speaker 16: i don't feel like they are sports I I don't I don't feel that e-sports are sports
Speaker 15: there there's no sweat
Speaker 16: I我我完全不理解为什么它们是能算做体育就是
Speaker 16: 就是我觉得它就是脑力活动啊
Speaker 16: it's it's more about the strategies especially in these games
Speaker 16: 呃呃 you you need to do
Speaker 16: something first and other things later
Speaker 16: and you need to choose different you know strategies to do this
Speaker 16: 我觉得这是一个非常脑力相关的东西
Speaker 16: 那你为什么要把它放在体
Speaker 16: sports sports这个里面我觉得
Speaker 16: 没有必要非要强行地把它放在一起it can be different it can be
Speaker 16: this
Speaker 16: 这这这呃as important as sports but
Speaker 16: 我不知道为什么它一定要放到
Speaker 15: 嗯
Speaker 16: 奥林匹克去
Speaker 15: 对我也觉得我我觉得那个sport和e-sport是完全不同的category我也
Speaker 15: 就是一个connection between those two might be
Speaker 15: is a team thing
Speaker 16: ok
Speaker 15: ok never mind [UNK]
Speaker 15: 忘掉忘掉
Speaker 15: 嗯let's move on to a next question cause I [UNK] same opinion
Speaker 15: what do you think Paralympics sports for handicaps
Speaker 16: 就是
Speaker 15: 啊就是说那个是那个对特殊人的奥
Speaker 15: 特殊特殊人的Olympics for example [UNK]
Speaker 15: [UNK] a people with no leg
Speaker 15: but then they also can compete in the
Speaker 15: in the in the running competition by [UNK] by using their will chairs and stuff what do you think about this
Speaker 15: 我
Speaker 15: 我觉得有这些会好但是
Speaker 15: 人们like一般观众or public对这些活动的interest不是那么高
Speaker 15: 所以我觉得 [UNK] and difficulties of continuing this every year make us Olympic the whole nation the whole globe is like
Speaker 15: pay attention to it right
Speaker 15: but for Paralympics like
Speaker 15: most people don't know it's happening or like
Speaker 15: they just don't care about it
Speaker 15: it's good that我们
Speaker 15: 我们给这些人个chance to let show their talent
Speaker 15: but then at the same time
Speaker 15: if there's no demand that the pipe doesn't really matter right is the sad reality
Speaker 15: 啊
Speaker 16: 嗯我是觉得我就从这些player的角度来说我觉得有这么一个东西其实还挺好的就是就是就是因为大家对于 [UNK] 这件事情非常的认可
Speaker 16: 那那他比如说如果我我天生有一定的残疾
Speaker 16: 这导致我完全没有办法说我也获得一个Olympic maybe champion的这个
Speaker 16: 这个这个机会我觉得就
Speaker 16: 会让这一部分人可能就活在一个非常
Speaker 16: 嗯
Speaker 15: dark situation
Speaker 16: yeah那那那如果我们给他们这样一个机会的话我觉得还是挺好的
Speaker 16: 至于我觉得至于你说的那个关注度其实
Speaker 16: if if people really cared about this kind of competition it's it's it's it's super good
Speaker 16: 嗯
Speaker 16: but even if we don't really care i think the players really careand and i i i think that's that's is that fine
Speaker 15: that's the important thing right the player cares
Speaker 16: yesso那我觉得其实
Speaker 16: 就是就它就是一个Olympic也好它就是一个另外的
Speaker 16: 就是非常有reputation的一个名字也好我觉得其实都可以其实就像我们
Speaker 16: 你说头脑的Olympic也是一样的就是我们在用Olympic这个brand
Speaker 16: 来衍生出各种不同的竞技那我觉得它本身首先会激励别人去
Speaker 16: dig deeper uh their
Speaker 16: strength
Speaker 16: maybe you are
Speaker 16: 呃
Speaker 16: 好的
Speaker 16: thinker
Speaker 16: maybe
Speaker 16: 你体能很好然后maybe你有其他的强强项那就是大家都知道Olympic这个这个这个brand下面可以做一些
Speaker 16: 全球性的活动来其实我觉得也挺好像像什么物理也是Olympic数学也是Olympic
Speaker 15: 你说的好
Speaker 15: 嗯
Speaker 15: what is the best possible diet
Speaker 15: 跳绳
Speaker 15: 真的吗
Speaker 15: 真的真的我我那个高中的时候每天跳了三千个然后一个月之后我i lost
Speaker 15: four to five
Speaker 15: kg
Speaker 15: 每天就跳对one month三千到四千个
Speaker 16: but
Speaker 16: but我听说
Speaker 15: 嗯
Speaker 16: 对膝盖不是很好
Speaker 15: 啊但是这个问题是diet嘛
Speaker 16: ok but but there are also other options like swimming like
Speaker 16: i don't know
Speaker 16: 呃可能还会有别的你你你应该比较关注这个啊
Speaker 15: 呃啊对啊爬山也很好
Speaker 15: 你还年轻嘛你
Speaker 16: 就是
Speaker 16: 就是你的膝盖上面有一个什么关节啊不知道叫什么他说一旦磨损之后就就不行了所以我就
Speaker 16: 我我甚至
Speaker 15: 嗯
Speaker 16: everyday i
Speaker 16: 我上楼的时候我是用爬的但是
Speaker 16: 每一次我要下楼的时候我都是用电梯的就是
Speaker 16: 很伤膝盖
Speaker 15: 啊好吧好吧是你it's your own problem ok
Speaker 15: 嗯
Speaker 15: i think time
Speaker 15: is up
Speaker 16: 嗯
Speaker 18: 看出来了
Speaker 18: which one is your favourite
Speaker 18: mobile phone system
Speaker 18: yes
Speaker 18: 嗯
Speaker 18: 我也是那种
Speaker 18: 你是果粉吗
Speaker 18: 我是我也我是那种三件套
Speaker 18: 嗯
Speaker 18: 目前来说还是Mac
Speaker 18: 稍微占上风一点点
Speaker 18: 因为
Speaker 18: 我待我待在它
Speaker 18: 打造的那个生态圈里面
Speaker 18: it's hard to get out
Speaker 18: 而且未来还听说
Speaker 18: ipad可以做扩展屏幕
Speaker 18: 作为Mac的扩展屏幕
Speaker 18: 这那不就更好了吗
Speaker 18: 对啊
Speaker 18: 这个对我觉得这种closed form
Speaker 18: 的这种idea很棒所以嗯我也算是一名
Speaker 18: 差不多吧不能说不能说很忠实
Speaker 18: 更像那个
Speaker 18: 我们
Speaker 18: 就是
Speaker 18: 嗯我刚刚听到的
Speaker 18: 呃
Speaker 18: 你们这种没有
Speaker 18: 做syntax的东西
Speaker 18: 讲什么呢
Speaker 18: 啊所以你学的还基本上都是全business的knowledge
Speaker 18: 我明白了你们应该用那些来做
Speaker 18: data processing嘛差不多
Speaker 18: 那你们这个不是ai吗
Speaker 18: 你们一般prediction什么东西
Speaker 18: 那还有没有别的
Speaker 18: 嗯这样啊
Speaker 18: 其实我也是蛮好奇商科的同学天天都在干嘛
Speaker 18: 因为在图书馆看到那有几台电脑是专门为那些
Speaker 18: 商科同学准备的
Speaker 18: 就是两块屏幕对接在一起的那种电脑
Speaker 18: 股票分析嘛然后经常看到有人
Speaker 18: 应该是商科的同学吧在那边
Speaker 18: 盯着两副股票图看
Speaker 18: 对
Speaker 18: 我估计嗯to be [UNK] well
Speaker 18: uh this semester i have class named
Speaker 18: just
Speaker 18: machine learning
Speaker 18: just uh
Speaker 18: i have a lot of class in machine learning所以
Speaker 18: very
Speaker 18: very AI
Speaker 18: 你想听吗
Speaker 18: 其实你刚刚说的也差不多
Speaker 18: 这是neural network
Speaker 18: 搭建它
Speaker 18: 训练它
Speaker 18: 用它
Speaker 18: 不过我们的数据跟
Speaker 18: 嗯我应该明白我们虽然我们都会用到那些model
Speaker 18: neural network什么的
Speaker 18: 但是我们的区别就是就是business跟我们做engineering的区别可能还是在data
Speaker 18: 你们的data可能是那种
Speaker 18: 呃要用于商业分析的data
Speaker 18: 我们的data是那种
Speaker 18: 图片
Speaker 18: 应该这个也是一个
Speaker 18: 那o ocr那种已经做出来了我们就没有
Speaker 18: 图像识别已经被做到烂了
Speaker 18: 我还想问你个问题
Speaker 18: 因为在syntax这一块还有一个还有一个领域叫做
Speaker 18: block chain的 [UNK]
Speaker 18: 我想知道的是block chain在你们那儿
Speaker 18: 怎么用
Speaker 18: 啊隐私啊
Speaker 18: 那你啊
Speaker 18: 你们知不知道这个project或者知道这里面是干嘛的
Speaker 18: ok
Speaker 18: 因为这因为这玩意还是
Speaker 18: 虽然出现挺久了还是
Speaker 18: 比较神秘
Speaker 18: 对一一
Speaker 18: 据我据我所学到的关于block chain的
Speaker 18: 那些东西
Speaker 18: 几乎都是在金融方面应用的
Speaker 18: 我不这我就不懂了
Speaker 18: 我不知道因为 [UNK] 他是
Speaker 18: 他要的哪他要探索需要哪些text我都
Speaker 18: 我不是很很清楚
Speaker 18: 是的
Speaker 18: privacy啊你有没有考虑过呢
Speaker 18: 因为
Speaker 18: 这也是有可能的
Speaker 18: 这个这个啧这个很难很难讲的呀很真的很难讲
Speaker 18: 因为你想
Speaker 18: 如果你需要那些robot
Speaker 18: 那进入你的生活的话
Speaker 18: 他们肯定是是要collecting your data
Speaker 18: 才能够为你
Speaker 18: more personalized this
Speaker 18: 但是这些data一旦被他们collecting之后
Speaker 18: 就是你的privacy
Speaker 18: 所以
Speaker 18: 嗯
Speaker 18: 这个
Speaker 18: 真的很很难讲
Speaker 18: 如果你愿意让他collect
Speaker 18: 你就相当于把自己的privacy交给他了
Speaker 18: 但是如果你不让他collect他就无法为你制定more personal
Speaker 18: 的一些service
Speaker 18: 所以这基本上还是要靠
Speaker 18: AI这些AI背后技术的大厂做一个
Speaker 18: 客户隐私的保证
Speaker 18: 嗯
Speaker 18: 嗯
Speaker 18: 哦这样啊
Speaker 18: 你
Speaker 18: 你这么一说倒提醒我了
Speaker 18: 其实我之前也一直嗯早在
Speaker 18: 思考这个
Speaker 18: 为什么香港人用alipay比较少没不那么主流
Speaker 18: 一开始我一直以为可能是
Speaker 18: 大家觉得没有
Speaker 18: 用credit card那么方便
Speaker 18: 可能他们还考虑到自己的privacy
Speaker 18: 他们是不是会更愿意相信银行而不愿意相信第三家
Speaker 18: 第三方公司像支付宝这样
Speaker 18: 明白了
Speaker 18: 原来如此啊
Speaker 18: 你们是调查过是嘛
Speaker 18: 我呀
Speaker 18: 那还没实现呢
Speaker 18: 不过
Speaker 18: 有第三方软件可以实现
Speaker 18: 只不过官方还没实现
Speaker 21: I have let's talk about sports
Speaker 21: should boys and girls play on same sex teams
Speaker 1: uh sex teams
Speaker 21: 嗯其实我觉得无所谓吧
Speaker 21: 就
Speaker 21: 不管是不是同一个性别的我觉得都都ok
Speaker 1: 但是我觉得在muscle啊strength方面可能
Speaker 1: 就是男生确实有先天的优势
Speaker 1: 对但是比如说有一些sports是相对来说比较比较静态的比如说
Speaker 21: 静态
Speaker 1: 对比如说chess
Speaker 1: 这种东西它虽然也是sports还有就是打麻将
Speaker 21: 啊打麻将
Speaker 1: 对我觉得这种就就其实男女差别不大
Speaker 21: 对我觉得只要不是太competitive的其实就都ok了
Speaker 1: 对但是就是怎么说呢但是我觉得
Speaker 1: 就是像这种差异还是需要就是看到的比如说男女混合
Speaker 21: 嗯
Speaker 1: 这种的比赛可能就是它它需要去
Speaker 1: 它需要assign in how many boys how many girls the ratio should be巴拉巴拉
Speaker 21: 嗯
Speaker 1: 对我觉得可能需要就是有这种的规定
Speaker 1: 嗯
Speaker 1: 嗯which sport is the best which one is the most challenging
Speaker 21: basketballand so
Speaker 1: this question is for boys
Speaker 21: I I Ithink so
Speaker 1: uh let's go to the other one
Speaker 21: ok
Speaker 21: do you think china will have to winner of the world cup in the next twenty years
Speaker 21: 嗯un
Speaker 21: no
Speaker 1: i don't think so
Speaker 21: honest
Speaker 1: 对因为现在整体的环境就不是那种向上的环境
Speaker 21: 嗯
Speaker 1: you know what I mean 就是
Speaker 1: 不是说所有人都说呀win win weneed to win
Speaker 1: we want them we we want to do win the first prize of 巴拉巴拉
Speaker 1: 就是
Speaker 1: 没有这样的环境
Speaker 21: 嗯
Speaker 1: 所有人都觉得哎it doesn't matter just [UNK] who cares
Speaker 1: 就是嗯嗯你们你们都输过你们都输给过那些小国家了就肯尼亚好像是
Speaker 21: 嗯嗯
Speaker 1: 那个都输了你还有什么不能输的
Speaker 21: 无所谓啦
Speaker 1: 对我就觉得其实就是
Speaker 1: 感觉就是how to say Chinese soccer ball team has already
Speaker 1: make our upset so
Speaker 21: 嗯哎yeah
Speaker 21: i agree因为怎么说就是其实中国人自古就是比较中庸的就是没有说特别强的那种竞争的那种
Speaker 21: 嗯
Speaker 21: 那种想法而且我们这边就集体主义比较严重啊不会像
Speaker 21: 外国人一样的就是个人主义他比较严重的话他可能想赢或者个体想要赢的那个心会更强烈一点
Speaker 21: 然后其实我们现在已经很佛了就是大家每个人都很佛就是可能不太会care这方面的一些问题
Speaker 1: 嗯
Speaker 21: 啊下一个问题是什么呢
Speaker 21: what do you think of esports
Speaker 21: oh
Speaker 1: oh esports do you play esports
Speaker 21: no
Speaker 21: so let's skip this
Speaker 21: ok
Speaker 21: what do you think uh
Speaker 1: what's this
Speaker 1: um i don't know it's also [UNK] for me
Speaker 21: sport for candy capes
Speaker 1: oh maybe the six one is good
Speaker 1: what's the best sports for diet
Speaker 21: 哦吼吼吼i think
Speaker 21: swimming
Speaker 1: swimming
Speaker 21: yeah
Speaker 1: [UNK] is yoga
Speaker 21: yoga ok
Speaker 21: so so you do yoga daily in daily life
Speaker 1: yeah but um it's like twice a week or three times a week
Speaker 21: um
Speaker 1: but like it's it's not kind of
Speaker 1: diet it's
Speaker 1: 就是我觉得他已不只是减肥了就是它可以让你的身体
Speaker 1: 就更放松
Speaker 21: 嗯嗯嗯
Speaker 1: 对然后我觉得实际上瑜伽本身是不减肥的就是你知道你知道有一种yoga叫hot yoga
Speaker 21: 哦
Speaker 1: 就是you you will do yoga in a very hot room making a sweet march and就是这种它是可以减肥的对我来说
Speaker 1: 但是我觉得swimming确实好像说蛮减肥但是我我
Speaker 1: 游的不好我只能游大概五六米
Speaker 21: 其实就是怎么说呃游泳的话它其实比较消耗体力
Speaker 21: 然后如果说你一直在游的话好像说是可以减肥的就减某些部分的肥肉因为我有个有个friend他就是他就是通过游泳然后瘦了很多对
Speaker 21: 但是其实除了游泳以外就是除了除了做这些sports其实更重要的还是饮食方面的问题
Speaker 21: 因为其实如果你做了很多sport然后你就回去吃很多东西的话其实也没有太大的用
Speaker 21: 对
Speaker 1: 嗯
Speaker 21: 所以感觉可能各方面都要吧就各方面都要平衡一下
Speaker 1: 嗯
Speaker 1: 也对确实但他们就是有的人讲说说了for diet maybe seventy percent is
Speaker 1: 其实control your what do you eatorhow much you eat
Speaker 1: like
Speaker 21: 嗯
Speaker 1: and the other thirty percent is to
Speaker 1: exercise more or
Speaker 21: yeah
Speaker 21: 因为我们控制不住自己的嘴所以就才需要去更多做一些运动
Speaker 21: 对
Speaker 1: 中国晚饭一般会忍不住吃好多
Speaker 21: 我也是
Speaker 1: 对我就是很喜欢我特尤其是晚饭特别喜欢那种高糖高热量的东西比如说McDonald这种东西
Speaker 21: 对我也是因为我本身就很喜欢吃甜的东西嘛然后就可能偶尔会忍不住吃一些甜的东西然后就诶感觉感觉就是来了香港之后又变胖了
Speaker 21: 对因为那时候那时候大四因为很忙嘛像同时有两篇 [UNK] 要写然后写完之后就感觉自己已经气到不行了就很
Speaker 21: 就那时候感觉自己有点瘦然后到了这边之后就是刚开始没有那么大压力嘛
Speaker 21: 嗯
Speaker 21: 然后你知道人一没有那种stressed就会吃很多然后就很容易变胖
Speaker 21: 对
Speaker 1: 嗯也是吧
Speaker 21: 嗯
Speaker 1: 然后
Speaker 1: 呃do you think man can do better sports than women
Speaker 21: yeah i think sobut it depends on different sports
Speaker 1: 呃if if those sports requires much
Speaker 1: how how to say it relies much on the strength the musclehow to say the the weight maybe
Speaker 21: 像这种举重啊这种那明显就不行了
Speaker 1: 但是吧我觉得还挺难但是就怎么说呢我说这是我觉得是一个average的一个状态就是你肯定会有女生
Speaker 1: 要一个女生要比
Speaker 1: 某些男生强的时候就是但是可能那些那个那些女生都属于那种outstanding一枝独秀的那种感觉他不能说是average都比那个 [UNK]
Speaker 21: 起码我就不行
Speaker 1: 像我觉得像tennis那个部分就是我不知道你知不知道有有一个
Speaker 1: 美国有一个双胞胎运动员是那个大大v和小v嘛
Speaker 21: 那我有听过小v的名字
Speaker 1: 对她们就是她们她们的力量就很强然后发球非常的快就是这种实际上可以媲美男运动员的
Speaker 21: 对
Speaker 1: 但是她们
Speaker 1: 就是不是每个人都可以成为大v小v
Speaker 21: 是的
Speaker 21: 而且她们是经历了很长时间的训练但是其实我们日常生活中是不可能有这种境界的所以其实从生理构造来说就是男生的力气本来就要更强一点
Speaker 21: 就比女生
Speaker 1: 就是说起这个我觉得很有趣的就是好像男生的屁股更容易更翘
Speaker 21: 真的吗为什么呀
Speaker 1: 我也不知道就是就是像我ex boyfriend他的屁股就很翘
Speaker 21: 是天生的还是后他有锻炼
Speaker 1: 就是the structure of boy就是他们那那一块儿会直接把他们的屁股托起来或者说
Speaker 1: 这么爽
Speaker 1: 就是我也不知道反正是反正我之前有看过一个像那种talk啊
Speaker 1: 他们就讲说说你屁股上的肌肉实际上跟你屁股那部分的 [UNK] 的那个长的怎么样有关系对然后有有一些骨骼的那种结构就适合
Speaker 1: 说屁股那里就是肌肉力量比较大就像比如说像black man
Speaker 1: 他们就是天生了这样的优势所以他们的短跑
Speaker 1: 或者是那种jump类的就是都会比较天生比较有优势就是因为
Speaker 1: 就是屁股那里的肌肉比较发达
Speaker 21: 啊原来是这样子
Speaker 21: 啊搞得我等一下都想去健身
Speaker 1: 我一直希望我的屁股可以翘一点
Speaker 21: 我也想啊就是但是我们平时在久坐嘛就是坐太久了其实很容易就会变得很扁平
Speaker 21: 然后你需要多做那种这样的一个运动
Speaker 21: 然后可能就做这样一个action的话好像说会屁股会翘一点
Speaker 1: 我们都是压平的是吧
Speaker 21: 对呀真的是啊因为你每天都这样了
Speaker 21: 就这样坐
Speaker 21: 你你如果你能够每天都保持你要不就这样的一个动作会坐着
Speaker 21: 这那你应该没太大问题
Speaker 1: 哦我觉得那可能就要累死了
Speaker 21: 对
Speaker 21: 而且我们不可能一直维持这个动作
Speaker 21: 而且特别是我们写东西的时候我们肯定会坐下来写
Speaker 1: 诶那你在科大有健身吗
Speaker 21: 其实我来科大之前的那个暑假是有的
Speaker 21: 就是那个啥都有在健身在我家那边
Speaker 21: 但是来了这边之后发现作业的量超乎我的想象
Speaker 1: 诶那你们你一般健身的话是有do you那个if you want to
Speaker 1: how to say健身
Speaker 21: 嗯
Speaker 1: Do you want to go to the gym or just go to the how to say the playground like this
Speaker 21: Oh I go to the gym because
Speaker 21: 呃before we can reach the playground we need to go downstair
Speaker 21: And the stair is very long
Speaker 1: 对
Speaker 21: 然后那个那个那个stair其实我不是很喜欢因为它太高了
Speaker 21: 然后就走下去的过程中觉得有点
Speaker 21: 有点那种terrify的感觉所以就不是很喜欢
Speaker 21: 然后其实本来我一我是大学生我是很喜欢操场这种地方
Speaker 21: 对我们会在操场跑步
Speaker 21: 但是就是因为这条阶梯的问题所以就没有去playground这样子
Speaker 1: Oh I see
Speaker 1: But for me the playground is
Speaker 1: The only advantage is that it's near the seashore
Speaker 21: 嗯
Speaker 1: So when you running you can you can
Speaker 1: watch the sea and also you can hear those
Speaker 1: How to say the the waves
Speaker 1: 啊我觉得这个就
Speaker 1: 呃还还挺还挺少的
Speaker 21: Maybe next time we can feel it together
Speaker 21: After i complete my assay
Speaker 21: Yeah
Speaker 1: 哦我觉得assay真的太折磨人了
Speaker 1: 对我觉得
Speaker 21: I want to go die
Speaker 1: 是的这是呃他们有的人讲说如果你总是熬夜的话那你就要减少你的 [UNK]
Speaker 1: 怎么怎么说就是就是当然说呃熬夜增加运动量是好的
Speaker 1: 但是比如说如果在你一个比如说you're extremely [UNK] sleeping或者是你觉得
Speaker 1: you if you your hard to breathe
Speaker 1: Sometimes if you stay up late too too much you will free it's hard to breathe so in that case is is
Speaker 1: It's [UNK] you'd better not to do more exercise
Speaker 1: Because it's bad for your heart
Speaker 1: 对然后他们说这种情况其实很有可能
Speaker 1: 猝死啊这种增加这种risk
Speaker 1: 可以在你之后觉得好一点的时候可能比如说你在这种时候
Speaker 1: What do you need is to sleep more然后在你sleep之后
Speaker 1: 可能你需要增加锻炼但是不是要说在你非常
Speaker 1: tire的非常sleepy的时候去锻炼这样反而不好
Speaker 21: yeah呃to be honest when we need to stay up late maybe for a single day
Speaker 21: It means that ways we we need to do a lot of homework
Speaker 21: 哦the assignment so we don't have a time to do exercise
Speaker 21: so嗯这怎么说呢就是
Speaker 21: 如果说是真的已经到熬夜很多天地步的话其实是
Speaker 21: 没有时间去做这个
Speaker 21: 做这个运动
Speaker 21: 但是就是当你很闲下来的时候
Speaker 21: 又好像就会比较少来学校
Speaker 21: 那你就没有那个去做运动的心情就会这样
Speaker 1: 嗯
Speaker 24: yeah
Speaker 24: today let's talk more about some interest topic or maybe the news of [UNK] thinking
Speaker 24: like our universe
Speaker 24: or something like what is our real world like so do you thing our universe is real the the universe of the world we live in is real
Speaker 2: yes well why not it's real
Speaker 2: 呃我觉得它很真实啊因为你每天发生的事情然后我
Speaker 2: 因为因为之前学的一些知识我也能知道能从出生到成长经历的一些事情都是有理论支持的
Speaker 2: make me feel real
Speaker 24: yeah but there is some very funny theory that I learns like you know artificial intelligence very well right
Speaker 24: and you probably play vedio game [UNK]
Speaker 24: then then in the video games you probably use one of the role to kill another or to a completion project
Speaker 24: 所以一个角色它在游戏里面它可以做很多的事情
Speaker 24: 然后这里有一个打游戏的人在控制那些角色去
Speaker 24: 做这些事情
Speaker 24: and some times like it feeled is very funny say that probably we are those figures in the games
Speaker 24: and being control by someone higher
Speaker 24: and we are
Speaker 24: like set up to like accomplish some tasks or kill some other roles
Speaker 24: we think that's possible
Speaker 2: why I think is so impossible
Speaker 2: well be because I can control myself
Speaker 2: like like I just I can control myself to walk from where to where from somewhere to another place
Speaker 2: and I can also control myself watch to to play to [UNK]
Speaker 2: something yeah
Speaker 2: so that's why I feel it's it's real
Speaker 24: yeah so this coming into another question say they do we actually have free will or like the freedom
Speaker 24: and is true freedom very possible like how do you insure that like you are not
Speaker 24: actually be in control by some invisible force
Speaker 24: or
Speaker 24: achieving I can interpret like this
Speaker 24: 所以因为我们打游戏
Speaker 24: 我们知道我们可能想要控制这个人物去做什么但其实有时候我们不去控制这个人物
Speaker 24: 这个人物还是能够按照那个游戏的设定区域做一些事情
Speaker 24: 所以他们也是可能有一定的free will的虽然可能是在游机游戏设计者的那个脑中
Speaker 24: 所以我们其实是有一个完全的free will吗
Speaker 2: 嗯如果我们没有完全的free will
Speaker 2: 那么
Speaker 2: 呃sometimes you are feel like you are control by
Speaker 2: by someone or by [UNK] something yeah by anything
Speaker 2: right
Speaker 24: 嗯
Speaker 2: but do you feel like sometimes you are not control by yourself
Speaker 24: 嗯naturally [UNK] like that but I would not say
Speaker 24: I'm not being control by myself
Speaker 24: it is rather to say they
Speaker 24: we are controlled by the consequence of our previous choice
Speaker 24: for example
Speaker 24: like if you are not prepared at all for [UNK]
Speaker 24: 可能你一个学期完全没有学习然后到了考试前一天
Speaker 24: 还是没有去学习然后你差不多是去裸考的
Speaker 24: 然后这个时候你可能没办法被之前所做的选择
Speaker 24: 嗯或者说你之前所这所带来的结果你已经没办法改变
Speaker 24: 虽然你可能去很努力的
Speaker 24: 去去做考试但是我觉得可能不会很好
Speaker 24: and you can really controlling on your own
Speaker 24: and the other thing
Speaker 24: 嗯it's like for example
Speaker 24: 嗯you
Speaker 24: 嗯
Speaker 24: or break a law or even just say that in a natural science like you add something wrong to a chemical
Speaker 24: and they actually [UNK]
Speaker 24: and they hurt you it's something that that is not totally
Speaker 24: even you said that like
Speaker 24: 嗯I don't know about
Speaker 24: the fury of those fashions
Speaker 24: but I did it and it calls its frozen and it hurt me
Speaker 24: and destroy something
Speaker 24: and yet so we don't really totally have free will in that sense
Speaker 24: 因为它也是一个受结果控制的过程
Speaker 24: 我们不能改变那个物理定律然后有时候就是我们不知道那个物理定律但是它犯了错了就肯定要
Speaker 24: 造成一些后果
Speaker 24: 然后我们也只能选择承担这样的后果
Speaker 2: 嗯
Speaker 2: I still feel like
Speaker 2: so在第一个情况
Speaker 2: 关于考试的这个情况
Speaker 2: so first you can you can control yourself to study [UNK] during a whole semester
Speaker 2: and you can also choose not to study
Speaker 2: so it's it'sthisis like you control yourself
Speaker 2: and the至于最后考试的结果那只不过是一个
Speaker 2: 是只不过是一个
Speaker 2: 这你之前有没有学习的一个
Speaker 2: 导致的一个结果吧你是考得好还是考得不好这和之前你所做的东西有关联
Speaker 2: but it doesn't means
Speaker 2: you [UNK] not control yourself
Speaker 2: you you controlyourselfdoing the [UNK] exam you can
Speaker 2: you can你可以控制你自己
Speaker 2: 在在做题的时候做这道题这道题做不做什么什么样整个过程你还是在control yourself
Speaker 24: 嗯
Speaker 2: 至于另一个
Speaker 2: 另一个例子
Speaker 2: 嗯
Speaker 2: 另一个例子是什么呢
Speaker 24: 呃就说可能是一个化学反应但是你不知道那个
Speaker 24: 嗯某两种化学物质不能加在一起然后你把它加到一起了然后爆炸了或者怎么样
Speaker 24: 造成了很大的破坏
Speaker 24: 那种可能你也控制不了结果虽然我们是自己去选择但是有时候
Speaker 24: 我们因为不知道它背后的原理
Speaker 24: so it can like cause damage and hurt us
Speaker 24: 你要in some inevitable destructive is
Speaker 24: results
Speaker 2: 嗯so in this case you
Speaker 2: you can control yourself not to add it you you addand in
Speaker 2: it cause science [UNK]
Speaker 2: 呃
Speaker 2: 呃it is like a
Speaker 2: the natural seems that you can buy this twochemical
Speaker 2: stop
Speaker 2: 那它们会造成一些不良的反应造成爆炸和各种情况
Speaker 2: 这这是自然自然
Speaker 2: 怎么说
Speaker 2: 这是一个科科学
Speaker 2: 科学上它就会造成的爆炸你只是做这种尝试
Speaker 2: 所以我不不明白为什么
Speaker 2: 这就是不能control
Speaker 24: 嗯
Speaker 24: like maybe it's more validity to the matter of Thomas Wang
Speaker 24: 我说可能这个free will更有一个时间上的问题
Speaker 24: 因为例如说like
Speaker 24: if you have the whole semester like of course you can study and
Speaker 24: do whatsoever effort you want to put in
Speaker 24: but when it actually come to the last day yeah you won't have the choice than much
Speaker 24: so the space of choices much limited
Speaker 24: and the other one is the
Speaker 24: the experiments
Speaker 24: of course before you add something into the chemical
Speaker 24: yeah it is
Speaker 24: totally safe
Speaker 24: but like since you don't know about the consequence
Speaker 24: and you don't know they it can't be added to
Speaker 24: like [UNK] miss together
Speaker 24: and once you like did the action so there's no choice
Speaker 24: or limited choice
Speaker 2: what'stheresult
Speaker 24: yeah
Speaker 24: so that's why I understand freedom to be like
Speaker 24: for example like
Speaker 24: freedom is to
Speaker 24: do whatever you like without the need of taking some horrible consequence
Speaker 24: but according to the nature of science
Speaker 24: like it's not possible to
Speaker 24: of [UNK] some like miserable results if you actually like disobey the rule
Speaker 24: there's some other things like they are involve here
Speaker 24: site
Speaker 24: like what do you feel it the best moral system
Speaker 24: or道德规范
Speaker 2: 嗯
Speaker 2: 道德规范
Speaker 2: oh isee呃
Speaker 2: 呃now
Speaker 2: 呃I I see
Speaker 2: for my understanding
Speaker 2: 呃you should do something that not
Speaker 2: that's what we called道德
Speaker 2: 所以we should like not just
Speaker 2: selfish we should consider others
Speaker 2: so so for example你如果
Speaker 2: 随地吐痰
Speaker 2: 你就会
Speaker 2: 你就要你就要感觉到我这个行为可能会对别人造成一些困扰
Speaker 2: 就是吐让别人感到恶心
Speaker 2: 所以你就不会去做它
Speaker 2: 你可能一时方便我我不用去找
Speaker 2: 我呃another place to to do this
Speaker 2: so just do it
Speaker 2: immediately it's it's of course it's convenient for you but it's not convenient
Speaker 2: or not goodfor otherpeople
Speaker 2: so you don't do it
Speaker 24: yeah so it's better the previous question
Speaker 24: so safe for example like if we believe like we are totally free to do whatever we like yeah
Speaker 24: we can spilt everywhere or [UNK] everywhere right
Speaker 24: this most convenient for us in this [UNK] freedom will be it to be but yet it would affect others
Speaker 24: 因为我们谁做的每一个选择
Speaker 24: 都会影响其他人
Speaker 24: 也可能真的就是影响公众的健康安全
Speaker 24: 所以还是需要有一个像你说的那种道德规范甚至是一个法律
Speaker 24: so a moral system has to be established to say嗯
Speaker 24: 来to maintain the good order offer society [UNK]
Speaker 24: should be allowed and something [UNK] should be encourage and something should be banned
Speaker 2: or I start to
Speaker 2: understand what you [UNK] like
Speaker 2: you are control by something
Speaker 2: you are control buy the the rule by the法律
Speaker 2: these kinds
Speaker 24: yeah exactly
Speaker 2: I feel like we need to be control in this way
Speaker 2: but it is it is not like we we are in the
Speaker 2: 我我我我们像是别人游戏里面的player一样
Speaker 2: 这个啊我感觉到有点荒唐了
Speaker 2: 但可能说
Speaker 2: 呃we are we are control by yourself of course but we also need to understand something we cannot do
Speaker 2: it is also like we control ourselves我们控制自己不要随地吐痰
Speaker 2: 不要pee around
Speaker 2: like this
Speaker 2: it is also you if you think [UNK]
Speaker 24: yeah
Speaker 2: we also control in ourself
Speaker 24: OK
Speaker 24: in actually as we mentioned the moral values
Speaker 24: and many of them they are quite related to religions
Speaker 24: you you heard like maybe in we are just like eastern or christianity so
Speaker 24: they have the scriptures
Speaker 24: and they have the moral standards being written there and has been practiced for thousands of years
Speaker 24: and [UNK] many people
Speaker 24: believe we are those moral value comes from
Speaker 24: in today we also have science like the
Speaker 24: use through the way of experiments
Speaker 24: to explore some furies of matters
Speaker 24: and wanted to explore more about the war but do you [UNK] like
Speaker 24: the religion and science on something like totally incompatible
Speaker 24: 在科学和宗教是不是完全不能兼容因为我我们也相信
Speaker 24: 就宗教也是刚像刚才那些道德定律的
Speaker 24: 基本来源也持而且也实现了很多年了
Speaker 24: 嗯科学的话只是用另外一种方法去找出一些规律特别是自然事物的规律你觉得这两者之间
Speaker 24: 会不会是不能兼容
Speaker 2: 嗯
Speaker 2: 嗯
Speaker 2: 嗯我觉得他们不会完全不能兼容
Speaker 2: 所以呃一方面
Speaker 2: I do like this two things
Speaker 2: 科学和宗教
Speaker 2: they are using different way to look at this world
Speaker 2: so for宗教来说
Speaker 2: 它们可能是去
Speaker 2: 呃思考
Speaker 2: 呃
Speaker 2: 去去思考如何
Speaker 2: 可能可能是如何能够让自己过得幸福和快乐
Speaker 2: 或者说能够
Speaker 2: 呃给予
Speaker 2: 呃给予这个世界更多的爱
Speaker 2: something maybe something about love like you cannot hurt
Speaker 2: other people or you cannot
Speaker 2: like kill some animals
Speaker 2: they also lives like this
Speaker 2: 他们相信有一个上帝他
Speaker 2: 呃但但是我觉得这并不是一个
Speaker 2: 呃
Speaker 2: 这这并不是一个坏事可能在科学上
Speaker 2: 这并不能成立
Speaker 2: 但是对于个人来说
Speaker 2: 比如说你相信有一个神的存在他可能会引导你
Speaker 2: 引导你做一些好的事
Speaker 2: 呃or maybe you can it it is also a thing to motivate yourself to
Speaker 2: to keep going
Speaker 2: keep walking some like this
Speaker 2: 但是但但是它不能说它跟科学完全的不相容
Speaker 2: of course science
Speaker 2: maybe not support like the this [UNK] of the guard
Speaker 2: but呃but
Speaker 2: 呃sense may can [UNK] other things maybe you don't care about
Speaker 2: for for us we don't need to care about it
Speaker 2: 我觉得如果不能兼容的话是要么
Speaker 2: 要么有 [UNK] science
Speaker 2: 要么就是有宗教
Speaker 2: 但是它完全可以并存
Speaker 2: 作为一个人
Speaker 2: 作为一个每一个人
Speaker 2: just like for myself
Speaker 2: 呃
Speaker 2: that happen naturally in these world like the science
Speaker 2: [UNK] 物理定律或者是一些
Speaker 2: 化学试剂它加它能够产生气体
Speaker 2: 我我完全相信这些但我完全也可以理解一些some people believe in god
Speaker 2: like they they feel like god is rule on us and we can go like
Speaker 2: 遵循神的指导啊这样我我完全可以理解所以我觉得还是可以
Speaker 2: 共同存在
Speaker 24: um yeah I agree of the part that you said like originally something like trying to make the people like that they would have
Speaker 24: more love and more considerate on the others
Speaker 24: and actually like in practice like science [UNK] in many part of the world for many years
Speaker 24: in the other thing like I may have mention in my personal belief is that like in the view religion itself在宗教的观点看来
Speaker 24: 上帝不是我们
Speaker 24: 选择去相信他的存在而是说他确实在存在然后呢
Speaker 24: 人是从他那里去接收到一些启示或者说用更能够通俗的话说启发inspirations之后
Speaker 24: it is something like
Speaker 24: people believed to receive from
Speaker 24: some source that is not verified by science
Speaker 24: and it's like the exercise some kind of belief or in a religious term called faith信心
Speaker 24: so they practice those things that they are inspired
Speaker 24: and hopefully they can be verified by in science later on
Speaker 24: and this is something probably seem like very marvelous
Speaker 24: [UNK] 人家觉得很神奇很不可思议的部分
Speaker 24: 然而可能这是我觉得对宗教的一个更正确的理解
Speaker 24: 但是如果这样你觉得我们能够用什么方法去感觉到上帝是真的存在
Speaker 24: [UNK] 你认为有方法吗
Speaker 2: 嗯for now like I am afraid may not
Speaker 2: may maybe later yeah science can help you help these people [UNK]
Speaker 2: um I'm I'm not sure but now I'm [UNK]
Speaker 24: yeah sometimes maybe in person like I can say
Speaker 24: we can compare some of those regulation
Speaker 24: with what is research in science although those simple are very rare or a few
Speaker 24: but yet like
Speaker 24: it is possible in a long run
Speaker 24: but after all like
Speaker 24: in the matter like to believe god exists it's not something that they can be
Speaker 24: like repeated or experimented by science
Speaker 24: so yeah this is still something that we cannot like totally apply the principle of science to
Speaker 24: verify the religious matters
Speaker 9: 好next session我们聊一聊关于freedom的话题吧
Speaker 26: 嗯哼
Speaker 9: 呃你觉得什么是freedom
Speaker 26: 自由啊
Speaker 26: 呃freedom
Speaker 26: 比如说we we we we talk together
Speaker 26: 这就是一种自由
Speaker 26: 然后呃
Speaker 26: 我觉得自由是一种
Speaker 26: 是一种非常发自内心的一种感觉就
Speaker 26: 不不是说你在哪儿不是说你在一个房间呃
Speaker 26: 呃in
Speaker 26: in a room or呃
Speaker 26: on playground虽然说
Speaker 26: 可能playground那个空间大一点但是我觉得跟你的内心感受是不一样的
Speaker 26: 我觉得真正的自由就是说你
Speaker 26: 不你你你自己做
Speaker 26: 一件事你自己内心得到了解放
Speaker 26: 你自己觉得很有价值感
Speaker 26: 我觉得这就是freedom
Speaker 26: 可是当呃
Speaker 26: [UNK] 比如说
Speaker 26: freedom比如说
Speaker 26: 呃一个人想杀人了那他把另外个人杀了他那这这是不是他的自由呢
Speaker 26: no这
Speaker 26: 所以自由是在什么样的前提下才算是自由呢
Speaker 26: 呃
Speaker 26: 你必须在
Speaker 26: 呃法律啊law允许的范围内还有
Speaker 26: 呃you cannot
Speaker 26: 呃
Speaker 26: 你不能去背叛别人的
Speaker 26: 别人的性命
Speaker 26: 你不能去违背这个世界的nature这个世界的rational
Speaker 26: 对吧
Speaker 26: 这个我觉得这是一个
Speaker 26: 这
Speaker 26: 就是除去这些之外应该就可以获得自由了
Speaker 26: 你呢
Speaker 26: 呃我呃
Speaker 26: 我觉得
Speaker 26: 自由是一个特别
Speaker 26: 呃怎么说呢
Speaker 9: 我其实对这个问题不是很很clear
Speaker 9: 但我觉得呃
Speaker 9: 比如我因为我 [UNK] 有很多很多confusion
Speaker 26: 嗯哼
Speaker 9: 就是呃
Speaker 9: 自由到底是什么就是你就是你要给它一个定义嘛或者给它一个限制嘛
Speaker 9: 一个比较比较easy的限制就是说我们把它只要在
Speaker 9: law里面的你都可以做然后在law外面的不可以做
Speaker 9: 这是一个比较
Speaker 9: general也可以可以做一个定义就是说这是这是非正
Speaker 9: 嗯
Speaker 26: 但是我觉得呃呃有的时候自由也会和平等就是会有冲突
Speaker 26: 然后
Speaker 9: 比如说
Speaker 26: 呃就比如说一个比如说美国的学校吧他们为了所谓的叫discrimination original
Speaker 9: 就是中种族歧视的问题他们他们是他们设定了一些原则比如说呃
Speaker 9: 对每一个种族的这个比例设定一些限制那这到底是他们自由呢还是是不是这是不是属于他们自由的
Speaker 9: 就是说他们到底
Speaker 9: 他们他们其实他们设定这些呃这些这些规则是不是他们自由的比如说呃一些我为了照顾的一些少数群体或者是就是讲那个呃就讲说
Speaker 9: 呃比如说给女生或者一些少数民族呃
Speaker 26: 加分
Speaker 9: 加分或者是有一些不同的这个衡量标准这这个这是他们的自由但是他们这个自由是不是真的是他们应该有的自由呢
Speaker 9: 还是说因为这样自由其实会导致呃discrimination是其实你这种freedom带来是另外一种
Speaker 9: 另外 [UNK] 呃in quality的问题所以我觉得
Speaker 9: 就是自由就是在under under呃在法律环境下面的话其实他们并没有任何 [UNK] 任何的law可是这样一种
Speaker 9: 东西是不是就是真的是他们可以去做
Speaker 26: shall we meet the born with priority
Speaker 9: 所以我的我的我的I what I mean is就是说
Speaker 9: 呃当自由和其他的比如说呃平等
Speaker 26: 嗯
Speaker 9: 冲突的时候which side we should we should stand就我们应该怎么样去做这个选择
Speaker 26: 嗯
Speaker 9: 对
Speaker 26: 我觉得这是一个非常非常open的question然后我我自己本身比较confused
Speaker 26: 是
Speaker 26: we can chooseanother one
Speaker 26: and maybe um five
Speaker 26: do animals have a soul
Speaker 26: I think我觉得human have a soul
Speaker 9: 因为我们能够很明显的感觉到我们的brain和我们的physical有的时候是不是是不一样的
Speaker 9: 就是我们的
Speaker 9: 这是我们的也比如尤其是呃我不知道我就随便瞎讲一讲
Speaker 26: 嗯哼
Speaker 9: 比如说当我们dream的时候我们会有一个imagine world在这个imagine world你可以do whatever you want
Speaker 9: 那我觉得这是就灵魂它需要有一个somewhere to live
Speaker 9: 就是你需要
Speaker 9: 因为我们作为一个nature people我们作为一个well educated citizen我们在这个world在这个real world里面需要obey很多rules
Speaker 9: 那我们在我们的这个soul的话我们可以变得很free就是你可以你可以它可以很很free就是想做什么做什么想
Speaker 9: 呃想呃想要
Speaker 9: 什么都可以有什么所以我觉得soul还是我觉得我觉得是我们是有而且我们
Speaker 9: 必须要有一个soul否则的话我们会live的非常非常的terrible
Speaker 26: 嗯哼
Speaker 9: 我们需要有一个地方我们可以cheer up我们可以
Speaker 9: 非常非常happy否则的话我们太也太悲惨了
Speaker 26: do animals have a soul
Speaker 26: I think呃我不觉得我不知道我
Speaker 26: 呃
Speaker 26: 我觉得
Speaker 9: this is not important
Speaker 9: for me
Speaker 26: 你觉得你觉得 [UNK] 有没有灵魂
Speaker 26: 我觉得humans and animals um both have soul
Speaker 26: 嗯这个soul怎么讲呢我觉得
Speaker 26: 它是soul我不仅是灵魂吧可以说是能不能在世界上找到另外一个跟你所
Speaker 26: 跟你思想跟你三观跟你跟你想法各方面比较呃匹配的呃不管是人还是物一些东西呃然后我觉得animals还是也是有soul的
Speaker 26: 虽然我不能指出特别
Speaker 26: 就是说特别
Speaker 26: 嗯实际的例子但是我记得有一个例子是说有一个女孩子救了丹顶鹤
Speaker 26: 然后那个丹顶鹤然后女孩子沉下去呃沉在沼泽里然后那个丹顶鹤一直在哭泣
Speaker 26: 哦我觉得
Speaker 26: animals they have a soul呃嗯他们也也懂就是哦别的别的物种
Speaker 26: 那你觉得soul到底是个什么呢
Speaker 26: soul
Speaker 26: 嗯
Speaker 26: soul我觉得这是
Speaker 9: 灵魂
Speaker 9: 就是灵魂就是你的这个
Speaker 9: 这个这个
Speaker 9: 思路思想思维了
Speaker 26: 那也不能算是就是
Speaker 26: 换一个话题
Speaker 26: 换一个换一个
Speaker 26: 换换一个简单一点的吧你选
Speaker 26: is the most important purpose in life is happiness你觉得世界上最重要的你来这个世界最重要的目的是为了开心吗为什么
Speaker 26: the most
Speaker 26: 什么是important
Speaker 26: 嗯嗯
Speaker 26: um my name is王欣怡欣怡is very happiness so my my father um my parents
Speaker 26: 呃they want me to be happy everyday 嗯但是呢我自己
Speaker 26: 我自己我觉得我来到这个世界上的意义并不是只为了happiness嗯我觉得更多的是去
Speaker 26: 活出一个世界上仅有的唯一的一个我吧
Speaker 26: 然后
Speaker 26: 我当我刚来到这个世界的时候第一个要去感知的就是我parents就是我的mother啊
Speaker 26: 嗯我觉得那个时候对我来说最重要的东西应该是
Speaker 26: 一种安全感吧然后到后面我呃when I grow up我觉得比如说company陪伴啊比如说love
Speaker 26: 比如说
Speaker 26: 嗯比如说刚才我们提到一些education的话题包括一些technology像呃像multi media这些都是陪伴我的对我来说意义很重大的东西
Speaker 26: 呃因为如果我没有这些的话我觉得我的生活不会colourful的
Speaker 26: 嗯对于现在的我来说可能是
Speaker 26: 嗯because I will be a college teacher
Speaker 26: 所以我的value的话一定是
Speaker 26: 给呃give
Speaker 26: um students more um knowledge
Speaker 26: 嗯然后帮他们树立健康的三观
Speaker 26: 我觉得这个是对我来说呃目前来说important purpose吧
Speaker 26: 还有我当然我得先把自己的工作学好
Speaker 9: 我其实呃happiness呃它是is true就是
Speaker 9: 部分而言就是
Speaker 9: happiness是最重要的
Speaker 26: 嗯哼
Speaker 9: 因为
Speaker 9: 呃就是从生理上而言的话就是当你开心的时候你的身体状态会比较好就是呃笑一笑十年少就是你会变得比较年轻
Speaker 26: 然后你的整个当你的life比较当你当你的当你比较happy的时候你的整个
Speaker 9: 呃状态会比较好你的思维会比较活跃然后你的这个
Speaker 9: 身体的机能也会比较健康然后这是生理上来讲的然后呃然后另外一个角度讲就是
Speaker 9: 呃
Speaker 9: 心理上来讲就是happy就是有一个呃一个 psychology心理学的分支讲那个body and thinking就是讲body and thinking的时候
Speaker 9: 呃你的就是当你look at the positive side的时候你很多很多事情都会做成功然后当然就是当就是其实这种很悬就是
Speaker 9: 同样一个事情总是有two sides当你你你比如时候看你你如果呃关注在
Speaker 9: positive side的话其实你很多时候事情你的这个life就会变得更加的meaningful更加的这个colorful
Speaker 9: 但是你如果你只如果一直关注在它的negative side的话你其实会lose很多东西它同时你也会变的人会变得更加更加消沉
Speaker 9: 所以我觉得呃being happiness是一种可以让我们的生活变得有意义的一种非常重要的
Speaker 9: 一个方面一种方式所以我觉得可以尝部分的说我们的最重要的生活是变得 [UNK] 变得更加开心
Speaker 9: 因为比如说你假如说你要很多很多cat company你要很多很多
Speaker 9: 我想说我要很多很多money但是我们要money是干嘛呀所以我们要变得happy当然我们想变happy有很多的方式对吧就是
Speaker 9: 呃你可以呃
Speaker 26: make money
Speaker 26: 赚钱是一种方式
Speaker 26: 你可以 [UNK] 变得happy然后你可以travelling你可以变得happy
Speaker 9: 你可以呃呃唱歌你也可以更happy你可以去呃
Speaker 9: 去那个呃hiking你可以更happy所以我觉得然后你有很多很多的friend你也可以更happy所以我觉得
Speaker 9: 在我们的人生当中我觉得happy是呃不能少的所以我觉得这其中一个
Speaker 9: 一个重要的一个目的我觉得也可以说的通
Speaker 26: 嗯
Speaker 26: 我觉得他是 [UNK]
Speaker 26: uh i agree with you就是你说那个
Speaker 26: 人在兴奋的时候做事效率会比较高嘛然而不是因为说人在兴奋人在开心的时候会多分泌多巴胺嘛所以就是
Speaker 26: 嗯他会更集中注意力然后呃也会
Speaker 26: 就就成功的概率会更大一点然后我就比较赞同这一点的然后还有你刚刚说的有很多方式啊
Speaker 26: 呃对对我们可再换一个换一个就ok了
Speaker 26: 嗯我们就可以讨论最后一个话题刚才没说清了
Speaker 9: 你可以说你可以先说
Speaker 26: 嗯kill
Speaker 9: would you kills ten people to save one uh you you won't why
Speaker 26: 嗯哼当我刚看到的时候我以为是kill
Speaker 26: uh kill one people to save ten people
Speaker 26: um
Speaker 26: will you
Speaker 26: uh i will not
Speaker 26: uh why
Speaker 26: uh because
Speaker 26: [UNK] you can see the number ten and one
Speaker 26: uh which do you choose you need to诶你你you want to save one or save ten uh firstly just say this number
Speaker 26: 啊
Speaker 9: so here你made了一个assumption就是说
Speaker 9: life is equal
Speaker 9: 所以你认为十个人会比一个人好
Speaker 26: no life is not simple but uh first part嗯
Speaker 26: if you just focus on number ten and one you we will choose what you will choose to save ten not to save one but if you
Speaker 26: uh as some other information like uh that one people is
Speaker 26: 习近平国家
Speaker 26: 嗯i i just i just give an example
Speaker 26: um not习近平but um very uh famous people uh maybe
Speaker 26: uh scientist
Speaker 26: and uh you are on a [UNK] a a a a ship and that ship will sink will will will sink down然后呃
Speaker 26: which one you want to do you want to save you want to save that
Speaker 26: um scientists or just common people uh that ten common people
Speaker 26: maybe you uh
Speaker 26: are think over
Speaker 26: but uh if i were
Speaker 26: uh [UNK] but i will choose
Speaker 26: um maybe if there there are eleven people i will choose
Speaker 26: i will give them a uh uh dice
Speaker 26: yes我会给他们一个骰子可能让他们自己去判断自己的命运
Speaker 9: a dice
Speaker 26: yeah
Speaker 26: 色子呃骰子骰子对对对我觉得呃
Speaker 26: 不论你你让谁哪十个人去
Speaker 26: go die我觉得没有人愿意吧因为命运是掌握在自己的手里那我觉得
Speaker 26: 啊我做不出那么残忍的事情那就由上天决定吧who uh will die who will save
Speaker 9: 嗯
Speaker 26: 嗯
Speaker 9: 嗯我是当时看到这个问题我觉得
Speaker 9: 嗯这是取决于你的situation
Speaker 9: 就比如说
Speaker 9: 呃如果说这十他们都是equal他们都是make make something correct但是你们一定要
Speaker 9: 呃去 [UNK] 杀了一些对
Speaker 9: 呃那我觉得十杀十个人去save一个人是非常非常的不合理的
Speaker 9: 但是如果这个问题有意义的话我们就需要做一些judging就需要有一些assumption
Speaker 9: 就比如说那一个人是呃do something correct 但是那个十个人就是
Speaker 9: 非常非常的naive然后他们就是呃
Speaker 9: 当时看到课本上的一个问题就是说有十个人在一个废弃的deserted的的一个一个铁轨上玩嘛
Speaker 26: 嗯
Speaker 9: 但是那个一个人是在啊说错反了
Speaker 9: 那一个人是在那个那那abandon的这个
Speaker 9: 呃这个railway上玩但是那个一个人呃十个人是在那个
Speaker 9: 呃还在运行的一个铁轨上玩但你当时火车必须要开一驶向一边的时候你会选择救十个人还是救一个人
Speaker 9: 我觉得这种情况下这个
Speaker 9: question会比较meaningful否则的话我觉得
Speaker 9: 呃这个会比较boring我觉得在这种情况下我会考虑一下我可能还是会kill十个人去save一个人
Speaker 9: 因为当你save一个人的时候你save的是thousands和millions people而不是只是
Speaker 9: 而不是只是save一save了一个人你save的是这个rule和save了这个system
Speaker 9: 如果你把你如果 [UNK] 呃如果鼓励encourage people去做那些
Speaker 9: 呃呃那些呃
Speaker 9: 这种breaking the rule的事情的话那么
Speaker 9: 那么那些做到那些那些做得对的人
Speaker 9: 得到的是penalty而不是reward
Speaker 9: 所以我觉得这件事情是非常不合理的是因为这样的话会有更多人去把这个系统的规则给破坏掉这样的话
Speaker 9: 整个系统就会break down你就没有办法再去任对人们有任何的约束力了所以我觉得这时候我宁愿kill ten people也不也不会
Speaker 9: 愿意去kill那个一个人我觉得因为那个
Speaker 9: 呃save那一个人save的是million of people而不是save只save那一个人
Speaker 26: 这个你是加了一个权限很很
Speaker 26: 怎么说一个比较极端一点的例子在上面了但我觉得如果只是按照诶一般来理解的话每个人的生命都平等的为什么
Speaker 26: 就算他是scientist他是artist
Speaker 26: 可是你其他的common people你也有它的价值啊比如说那个有一个人他是农民那我为这个国家呃我付出了什么我种地我为大家呃
Speaker 26: 我为国家
Speaker 26: 就是培养粮食啊
Speaker 26: 什么的如果我我就是一个普通的教师我虽然没有人家scientist那么那么厉害
Speaker 26: 呃可以为人类的technology science做贡献但是我自我自己培养了下一代啊呃所以我觉得每个人都有他的意义
Speaker 26: 然后还有一个就是呃我们可以想的稍微的简单一点
Speaker 26: 就为什么非要kill kill kill ten people to save one呢这个one可能不是people啊我们可以想得别的东西我们可以想到
Speaker 26: 呃呃the universe
Speaker 26: 对吧它没有后面既然没有说
Speaker 26: 是什么的话我可以假设嗯我们虽然杀十个人但是救了全世界我觉得那个
Speaker 26: 嗯二零一二吧就那个电影上面
Speaker 26: 哦我就觉得那个最后一幕很震撼
Speaker 26: 我最后拯救了the universe
Speaker 9: ok ok
Speaker 8: um do you think that
Speaker 8: should children use smart phone
Speaker 8: um actually I don't think so because I think smart phones can um um
Speaker 8: 我觉得会让学生沉迷于这个手机可能是chatting呀or嗯
Speaker 8: mobile phone games
Speaker 8: 我觉得这个会影响他们的学业因为
Speaker 8: 小孩子对自己自我的管
Speaker 8: 自我管控能力不是很强所以为什么很多系统防沉迷系统都是针对十八岁以下的孩子
Speaker 8: 我觉得在什么阶段应该做什么事吧呃
Speaker 8: 嗯um as a child is better for you to um
Speaker 8: study hard but not
Speaker 8: um play more time play computer games or play smart phone games
Speaker 8: 呃所以我觉得在这个自我管控能力不是很强的
Speaker 8: 呃孩童时代应该
Speaker 8: 呃被禁止使用手机
Speaker 8: um I think
Speaker 8: 呃就是一味的禁止可能会起到反作用
Speaker 8: [UNK] uh i agree with you that children would might not have self discipline so we must give them guidance or some restrictions
Speaker 8: 就是不是一味呃这不是完全的禁止比如说你可以设定
Speaker 8: 嗯他做完作业可以奖励玩一个小时或者是怎么着的
Speaker 8: um also so I think
Speaker 8: children might use phones to
Speaker 8: um contacting their parents
Speaker 8: 嗯就是很容易走丢啊我觉得孩子可以给他们配一个
Speaker 8: 配个老人手机
Speaker 8: 就专门让他们联系父母的
Speaker 8: 就
Speaker 8: 嗯
Speaker 8: 就um I think
Speaker 8: 就是你要告诉孩子为什么不让他玩手机
Speaker 8: 嗯就让他们知道
Speaker 8: 嗯手机其实有很多就对他们这个年纪的人会有很多的
Speaker 8: 呃不好
Speaker 8: 那我觉得现在科技这么发达如果嗯就想联系父母
Speaker 8: 的话不一定非得给他们一个smart phone可以是一个
Speaker 8: 呃智能手表啊之类戴个手环这样也可以让父母就可以locate到他们在哪里然后这样其实
Speaker 8: 呃就就我觉得就能起到很好的作用
Speaker 8: 更多smart phone对孩子意义也可能还是娱乐吧
Speaker 8: 嗯
Speaker 8: 所以我觉得在school time的时候可以不让他们带手机就是回家的时候
Speaker 8: 在父母的guidance下可以使用一小阵子
Speaker 8: 嗯
Speaker 8: um and you use any social media that social media is the future for connecting people
Speaker 8: Um I I actually spend
Speaker 8: most of my time in on social media and
Speaker 8: um i usually use
Speaker 8: like we chat and微博
Speaker 8: um
Speaker 8: i think social media is an access for me to connect my friends and know
Speaker 8: what is going on in this world嗯
Speaker 8: 嗯我觉得
Speaker 8: social media其实应该还是促进了人们的connections吧
Speaker 8: 毕竟你现在可以跨国跨什么可以视频可以face time
Speaker 8: 然后就比以前方便了很多也可以容易联系了很多
Speaker 8: 但如果你把所有时间都花在
Speaker 8: social media上面那肯定不行因为
Speaker 8: 你这毕竟是一个虚拟的
Speaker 8: 比较虚拟的东西啊就就如果是大家面对面坐下来你还玩手机的话那就
Speaker 8: uh kind of losing respect
Speaker 8: 嗯
Speaker 8: um do you uh
Speaker 8: uh how do you think the function of
Speaker 8: 嗯嗯比如说微信的朋友圈还有微博的好友圈之类的
Speaker 8: do you think uh it's a better way for you to understand others' world or more of a way for you to show your world to others
Speaker 8: um actually i think uh like the就是朋友圈的话它其实是
Speaker 8: 也不一定是完全了解那个人但起码是那个人update他的生活然后呃就如果你们比如说你跟你的好朋友隔了好远好远
Speaker 8: 就可以通过朋友圈了解一下他的近况
Speaker 8: 嗯就但是我还是觉得线下的见面会
Speaker 8: 比只是点赞朋友圈要来得更直接
Speaker 8: uh so social media uh for you is more like some thing to connect with people that you are familiar with
Speaker 8: 呃不像去和陌生人的交友不需不会使用到这些social media
Speaker 8: uh yeah because呃我觉得social media对我来说是一个比较私密的东西
Speaker 8: 就是是我愿意说什么我才会在social media的上面说就是这是一个我愿意展示的自己然后我也不太愿意陌生人去
Speaker 8: 观察我或者是了解我什么
Speaker 8: 那你你觉不觉得在线上的话social media可以
Speaker 8: 拉近我们的距离可以strengthen our relationship但是在线下的话如果你和一个朋友见面你手里老玩着手机你觉不觉得会
Speaker 8: 疏远我们之间的距离
Speaker 8: 对当然会就是所以说线下就是因为线上其实呃我觉得是弥补了不能线下的一个
Speaker 8: 手段吗就是因为你不能线下所以你才会在线上联系
Speaker 8: 而当你有机会在线下联系的时候当然是要enjoy your time
Speaker 8: 呃don't wasted on your smart phone or social media
Speaker 8: 嗯so I think
Speaker 8: 呃you may believe the嗯呃you may believe social media is a
Speaker 8: better [UNK] a good thing for a better society right
Speaker 8: oh yeah
Speaker 8: 嗯
Speaker 8: so what about you
Speaker 8: 呃我也觉得社交媒体对于现在来说其实是一个可以让
Speaker 8: 是一个可以让社会发展的更好的东西就是
Speaker 8: 嗯尤其在自媒体时代我们这样可以让
Speaker 8: 信息交流更加的便捷而有资源共享更加的方便
Speaker 8: 嗯
Speaker 8: 我觉得那个什么事情都有它的pros and cons就看我们怎么对待和利用吧我们
Speaker 8: 可以把就是社交媒体它是一个工具我们人类作为它之上是要好好利用它让它
Speaker 8: 为之我们所用而不是被他呃不是被它沉迷被它陷进去
Speaker 8: 嗯那那我有一个问题就是你刚刚提到了social media可以提供信息
Speaker 8: 但其实它提供的很多都是碎片化的信息就是
Speaker 8: 比如说你会看很多公众号的文章articles但是你未必可以沉下心来读一本书
Speaker 8: 但其实书本才是一个比较完整的一个
Speaker 8: 信息或是知识体系那你觉得这种碎片化的信息
Speaker 8: 呃
Speaker 8: 就是对我们是有害还是有利
Speaker 8: 呃I think it's a better flash
Speaker 8: because when I mention the information I mean the
Speaker 8: news I mean the
Speaker 8: information that can that呃the news happened around us
Speaker 8: 呃我觉得书本上的东西虽然是很系统化但是它是
Speaker 8: 它是是是之前published的就是一个书它讲的可能是
Speaker 8: 故事或者一种事情我我关注对于我个人来说我关注的信息更是
Speaker 8: 新闻性的东西是我们周边发生了什么
Speaker 8: 如果没有这个social media我觉得我不是那种会
Speaker 8: 喝杯茶看个报的人所以我可能对于我了解这个世界来说就非常的有限
Speaker 8: 但是就是碎片化信息可能会降低人们的思考能力
Speaker 8: 就是你接触的信息太碎片了你的大脑可能没有时间去把它整理
Speaker 8: 或者归纳到了一个框架里面去
Speaker 8: 所以可能呃很多都是useless的information你觉得这个观点
Speaker 8: 对你来说是
Speaker 8: 我觉得那些信息
Speaker 8: 不仅像你说的碎片化而且还有很多是fake的还有很多虚假的
Speaker 8: 这得看我们如何把握了吧
Speaker 8: 我们肯定不能把它当成the only呃data source
Speaker 8: 我们也会要学会去辨识然后
Speaker 8: 如果想了解一些东西也要去
Speaker 8: 呃肯定去找别的更专业的渠道
Speaker 8: 嗯