Speaker 18: 哦原来校服不是统一的
Speaker 18: 真的
Speaker 18: 这是我当时
Speaker 18: 几岁 [UNK]
Speaker 18: 有的感受那个时候我才知道哦
Speaker 18: 那个时候我才逐渐的意识到原来深圳的校服
Speaker 18: 只是 [UNK] 原来像我在深圳是统一但是
Speaker 18: 在其他城市是不统一的
Speaker 18: the same clothes every single day
Speaker 18: 哦
Speaker 18: 这个问题
Speaker 18: 我们当时的是
Speaker 18: 我们当时是这样解决的
Speaker 18: we have uh we have designed our own
Speaker 18: clothes for our class
Speaker 18: class clothes
Speaker 18: but
Speaker 18: um
Speaker 18: when i was in the primary school the school [UNK]
Speaker 18: we
Speaker 18: all of us to wear
Speaker 18: uniform every day
Speaker 18: but那又怎么样呢我们还是有自己的自己的班服所以我们会在
Speaker 18: 嗯班级聚会的时候穿
Speaker 18: 你说的
Speaker 18: 是你刚刚说的归属感
Speaker 18: 有啊
Speaker 18: 个性
Speaker 18: 这个到
Speaker 18: 我们没有想那么多呢
Speaker 18: 其实我们也有跟学校
Speaker 18: [UNK] 么我好像我们好像有跟学校抗呃
Speaker 18: 不能叫抗议
Speaker 18: 写封um application
Speaker 18: 能不能申请每每周五什么的
Speaker 18: 自己穿自己的衣服
Speaker 18: but
Speaker 18: be refused
Speaker 18: 没有成功过
Speaker 18: 所以还是
Speaker 18: 嗯我是后来才知道原来深圳的校服在全国都这么famous
Speaker 18: 大二开始有这种萌芽
Speaker 18: 但是
Speaker 18: not very clear
Speaker 18: 到了大三
Speaker 18: 才渐渐
Speaker 18: 意识到先把
Speaker 18: 语言成绩考了再说
Speaker 18: 考完之后
Speaker 18: 然后就有了目标啦
Speaker 18: 然后就来这边了
Speaker 18: 嗯你呢
Speaker 18: 是啊
Speaker 18: 啊你用一个月时间说准备G math
Speaker 18: 嗯那那你准备雅思也准备了几个月
Speaker 18: 看得出来你的底子不错
Speaker 18: 其实刚刚有一个原因你也谈到了就是时间
Speaker 18: 嗯
Speaker 18: 因为因为在这个年纪时间很宝贵
Speaker 18: 呃两个字regret a little bit regret
Speaker 18: 就是
Speaker 18: 我感觉我在大学嗯本科那种是就是
Speaker 18: 放松版的高中生活吧
Speaker 18: 也只能这么说吧不像这边嗯差别太大了
Speaker 18: 我
Speaker 18: 其实谈到的不是你觉得很紧嘛我觉得很松了
Speaker 18: 一几乎一天一门课有时候一天还没有课
Speaker 18: 你如果平常做一下那些project
Speaker 18: 到deadline之前就不会那么赶了
Speaker 18: 嗯那可能是因为前期你觉得很闲对不对
Speaker 18: 可能business那边跟我们engineering不太一样吧
Speaker 18: 冒冒冒昧的问一下
Speaker 18: business那边的活动
Speaker 18: 一般都是什么样的活动啊
Speaker 18: 班级聚餐那种
Speaker 18: 哦
Speaker 18: 你们那种场合对服装有没有要求
Speaker 18: 哦
Speaker 18: 哦因为我经常在Cornell看到一群business students
Speaker 18: 穿得非常formal
Speaker 18: 啊我们没有啊
Speaker 18: 难怪
Speaker 18: 嗯
Speaker 19: 嗯good morning everyone the talk um the topic we are will going to talk about today what the best sport for diet嗯在我看来呢呃
Speaker 19: 这个最有助于减肥的这个运动当然就是睡觉了
Speaker 19: 因为在睡觉的时候呢人们没有在吃东西也没有在喝水所以人们是没有能量的摄入的
Speaker 19: 这个时候呢人们还在不断的呼吸所以只有能能量的消耗
Speaker 19: 然后如果人们睡足够长的时间呢他们就会渐渐地瘦下来
Speaker 19: 不知道你觉得怎样
Speaker 19: 嗯我觉得不是这样的
Speaker 19: for fixed period of time呃人们如果睡觉的时候它的能量消耗相对来说是比较低的
Speaker 19: 然后如果他在做别的事情呢其实它的能量消耗会超过他睡觉
Speaker 19: 啊所以其实呢呃如果比方说同样给我十二个小时
Speaker 19: 然后我如果用它来睡觉那么我十二个小时过后我吃东西会比较少
Speaker 19: 但是如果给我十二个小时然后让我让他来做功课那么十二个小时之后我可能会感觉到非常的困
Speaker 19: 非常的难过然后这个时候我就会会吃很多的炸鸡然后这个时候就会功亏一篑
Speaker 19: 所以从这个角度来看呢我觉得睡觉是最好的减肥运动
Speaker 19: 嗯那我觉得应该是
Speaker 19: 正如我刚才所说其实睡十二个小时是一个不错的选择
Speaker 19: 而且还可以呢把这个睡觉的时间分为两部分其中一部分呢是晚上
Speaker 19: 然后一部分呢是用来睡午觉
Speaker 19: 对
Speaker 19: 呃对有科学实验表明了
Speaker 19: 呃对睡觉的时候呢
Speaker 19: 人们的身体呢相对来说比较放松
Speaker 19: 然后呢这个时候呢其实是有助于这个嗯呃呵
Speaker 19: 噢其实我是没有呃scientific evidence的no那你觉得睡觉呃呃如果睡觉不是一个比较最好的运动那么什么会是最好的运动呢
Speaker 19: um yeah
Speaker 19: 嗯
Speaker 19: 嗯
Speaker 19: 嗯
Speaker 19: 嗯
Speaker 19: and besides swimming i think jogging is also very good uh sport for diet呃人们在跑步的时候呢正如你刚才所说这也是一个有氧运动啦然后其实
Speaker 19: 呃它的额心肺功能呢也都是在呃就是是
Speaker 19: 受到强化的然后同时呢它也是让人们的那个身体呢进行全方位的这个呃锻炼
Speaker 19: 然后其实也是一个不错的这个选择然后我也有知道很多人呢每天都在跑步
Speaker 19: 然后在跑步的时候呢他们就会变得比较就会渐渐地瘦下来
Speaker 19: 比如呢你像我的这个jesus supervisor
Speaker 19: 呃I know he啊jogging every morning
Speaker 19: 然后他其实原来是很胖的然后渐渐的呢他的身体就瘦了下来然后现在呃他已经是非常的这个
Speaker 19: 消瘦对
Speaker 19: and
Speaker 19: 嗯
Speaker 19: oh no I don't think so I think呃对
Speaker 19: 对于世界纪录来讲呢应该是男性的呃每一个项目的世界纪录呢可能应该都是高于
Speaker 19: 水水平应该是高于女性的
Speaker 19: 对我觉得
Speaker 19: 嗯就是这个应该是由男女身体上的这种差异以及他们就是
Speaker 19: 激素的分泌造成的就是因为男性呢在远古时期更多的是
Speaker 19: 呃会进行这种呃打猎呀然后这种体力上的运动而女性呢其实
Speaker 19: 用到呢在母系社会呢更多的是用来培育儿童
Speaker 19: 对
Speaker 19: 然后这个时候呢就使得
Speaker 19: 呃男性在呃呃呃
Speaker 19: 就是身体上的身体素质会不断地受到强化然后只有
Speaker 19: 呃就是身体比较强壮的男性才会被留下来而不被淘汰掉然后久而久之呢
Speaker 19: 呃
Speaker 19: 男性的身体的功能可能就会在运动方面的功能就会强于女性
Speaker 19: 嗯
Speaker 19: 因为这个样子就是
Speaker 19: 正如我刚才所说因为男性和女性身体结构上的差异呃so if we divided them into uh
Speaker 19: by gender
Speaker 19: then呃我们可以知道就是他们
Speaker 19: 呃就是不同的这个极限分别是怎样的
Speaker 19: 然后同时这也可以让人们意识到就是说
Speaker 19: 呃在有些方面就是男女是其实是有一些差异的
Speaker 19: 对然后但是呃
Speaker 19: you know uh for some kind of sports maybe woman
Speaker 19: do it better than men
Speaker 19: uh yeah
Speaker 19: uh for example like yoga i believe uh
Speaker 19: 女性的身体的这个柔韧程度会更好然后呢她们嗯对
Speaker 19: 相对于瑜伽的一些动作呢她们
Speaker 19: 更容易比男嗯比男性呢更容易完成
Speaker 19: 对
Speaker 19: 呃你有最喜欢的运动员吗
Speaker 19: 嗯好哇我最喜欢的运动员呢是一个足球运动员
Speaker 19: 然后他叫罗纳尔多然后呢大家不要把他和现在的这个c罗搞混对
Speaker 19: 我喜欢的罗纳尔多呢是一个巴西人他现在已经不再踢足球了
Speaker 19: 但是他对足球的影响呢是非常的深远的
Speaker 19: 嗯然后他最辉煌的战绩呢是在两千零二年韩日世界杯的时候
Speaker 19: 然后对他为巴西队呢打进了八粒进球
Speaker 19: 然后这个呢是现在世界的记录
Speaker 19: 哦不这个世界纪录其实是在最近被一个德国人给破掉了
Speaker 19: 呃但是呢呃他带领
Speaker 19: 巴西队夺得了那届世界杯的冠军
Speaker 19: 嗯
Speaker 19: no我是一个非常专一的人
Speaker 19: 然后我一般不轻易改变自己喜欢的对象而且呢呃I think from呃
Speaker 19: perspective of history呃he made a lot of influence
Speaker 19: 呃对它对人们
Speaker 19: 对踢球的这个理解足球的理解啊然后对足球战术的这个运用的改变
Speaker 19: 都是非常的深远的
Speaker 19: 嗯我还有看篮球啊
Speaker 19: 然后呃羽毛球啊网球啊乒乓球啊
Speaker 19: 呃还有赛车啊还有赛马啊
Speaker 19: 对不如我们来聊聊赛马这项运动
Speaker 19: 呃你有在看赛马吗
Speaker 19: Oh you have been to happy valley
Speaker 19: So do you like happy valley
Speaker 19: 嗯哼
Speaker 19: 呃why
Speaker 19: Oh that's why it's called happy valley right
Speaker 19: So people are always happy there
Speaker 19: 嗯but呃if people lose their money will they them be still happy or or or they will be sad
Speaker 19: 诶你说到老人家哦我知道C U HK那有一个professor嗯他是专门研究赌马的然后他有一个statistical model然后这个model帮他赢了很多钱有整整五千万港币
Speaker 19: 对然后你知道这个事情是怎样被爆料出来的呢就是他和他的团队呢分赃不公然后他的团队呢觉得oh it's so unfair why i get so little money
Speaker 19: 然后他就向媒体爆料说我们原来有
Speaker 19: 对建立一个statistical model然后用这个来predict呃对赛马的结果
Speaker 19: uh yeah it it's legal as long as you can uh yeah em
Speaker 19: 呃professionals呃in jockey club
Speaker 19: so you know呃在赛马会呢其实他们也是有雇佣很多的精算师啊然后统计师啊来给他们建这个赛马的模型
Speaker 19: 然后用来预测赛马的结果这也是他们怎样来计算这个赛马的赔率
Speaker 19: 呃不过他们其实有考虑很多因素就是除了一些客观因素还有一些主观因素比如人们看到这个马的名字啊比如有一只马叫巴基之星啊这种然后他们就会呃非常喜欢买这只马嗯
Speaker 19: 然后这个赔率然后呃所以他们会计算出一个赔率
Speaker 19: 如果你算的这个赔率比它更准然后你就会发现套呃套利的可能性比如说你认为这个马的赔率会被高估或者低估然后这时侯你就可以分别就买进和卖出然后就会赚到钱
Speaker 19: 呃no i believe呃就当媒体把这个事情爆出来之后呢C U HK的那一个呃教授呢就不再用他这个模型来赌马了呃but你知道他已经赚了很多的钱yeah
Speaker 19: 呃对有新闻讲他好像是有十七套房产这样子
Speaker 19: uh no uh i don't think so呃但是这其实给我们了一个很好的启示就是呢学好数学很有用especially for statistics uh if you know statistics very well then you can earn a lot of money
Speaker 19: for example you can [UNK] the jockey club
Speaker 19: 呃yeah i think about it before and i used to build a model with my friend but i lose a lot of money
Speaker 19: 嗯it's a true story
Speaker 19: 呃有啊对呃比如呢其实我每周三和周日呢都会有去赛马然后在赛马的同时呢还都顺便有买六合彩
Speaker 19: 然后呢在the recent Easter holiday you know there is something called金多宝啊那就是说
Speaker 19: 呃六合彩的奖池呢会被扩的很大呃然后这个中奖的数额投奖的数额呢会达到一亿港币然后那一次呢其实我有买六合彩然后你猜我中到了几等奖
Speaker 19: 嗯no i got a lot maybe i'm the yeah only one who won the头奖
Speaker 19: 呃no呃because i have uh passion
Speaker 19: with with academic research and i know this is this research is about a [UNK] natural language processing and i think ai is the future呃
Speaker 19: of the world so i like to contribute a lot uh contribute my my my my effort to the
Speaker 19: 嗯
Speaker 19: 对那我们不如来说回赛马那你去赛马的时候呢嗯对你你是自己去还是和别人一起去啊
Speaker 19: ok然后那你看赛马的时候会很激动吗因为你刚才有说到说人们就是有一些呃yeah senior people they will be very uh excited and shocked and so will will you do that
Speaker 19: 嗯哼
Speaker 19: ok那你看其他体育比赛的时候会不会感到很激动呢
Speaker 19: ok
Speaker 1: 嗯还有我们聊一下啊technology
Speaker 21: ok
Speaker 1: 所以
Speaker 1: 嗯
Speaker 21: do you trust呃artificial intelligence AI
Speaker 1: 对这个也是我一直很想问你的问题但是我觉得我可以先先说一点
Speaker 21: 嗯哼
Speaker 1: 就是我其实一直都不太
Speaker 1: 不知道对于其他人来讲啊就artificial intelligence到底是什么因为我自己也是慢慢接触它的
Speaker 1: 但是我接触的就是
Speaker 1: 实际上有点早了所以我以前忘了我之前对它的看法了
Speaker 1: 但是就是
Speaker 1: 之前就会
Speaker 1: 有人就会真的就是有疑惑说
Speaker 1: 嗯说will AI replace human in the future
Speaker 1: or
Speaker 1: Just something like this
Speaker 1: 所以我也不知道就是说因为我觉得你做linguistic的可能
Speaker 1: 对AI
Speaker 1: 可能我觉得不是特别的了解其实我很想知道
Speaker 1: 你们对于这个东西的一些看法呀之类的
Speaker 1: 就是如果说你trust你trust它吗或者说你
Speaker 1: Do you really think AI will replace human being in the future
Speaker 21: 嗯哼
Speaker 21: 我觉得这是
Speaker 21: 呃AI的话因为平时其实离我们的领域是很远的对就是其实日常生活中我们会
Speaker 21: 比较少的接触到可能我们唯一接触到的就是那种
Speaker 21: 呃siri啊或者是
Speaker 21: 那种百度地图啊那么什么人工导航啊那种就
Speaker 21: 大概有这种呃浅浅的印象说大概什么是AI
Speaker 21: 但其实说
Speaker 21: 比如说是真的去很接触到它背后的一个运作机制的话其实是很少
Speaker 21: 就从目前的这个呃stage来说我们肯定还是相信AI的
Speaker 21: 因为它还处于我们的一个control的范围内
Speaker 21: 但是我觉得如果它lose control
Speaker 21: 呃未来可能会有一天它会
Speaker 21: 呃replace people而且而且有可能会对human being有一些更大的影响也说不定
Speaker 21: 对
Speaker 21: 因为我知道就是
Speaker 21: 之前的话像我们出入境嘛
Speaker 21: 就是本来出入境的话那里都是一排工作人员
Speaker 21: 就是它会人工的去看你的这些证件啊什么的然后但是现在的话其实很多都是去啊都是有机器还有就是有那种ai机器人在那里走走走走
Speaker 21: 对就是都是会嗯怎么说就是通过一种比较
Speaker 21: 先进的一种手段去帮一直接处理这个呃passport或者是这些呃通行证之类的东西对
Speaker 21: 所以我觉得就是慢慢的其实这些比较先进的technology已经在取代一部分人类的工作了
Speaker 21: 所以就在找工作过程中我有在想那其实什么样的工作是比较呃具有不可代替性的就是比如说就算未来
Speaker 21: ai真的已经发展到很很厉害的地步了的话但你做什么工作你是可以不被取代的我有在想这个问题
Speaker 1: 嗯对但是就是有一个说法就讲说
Speaker 1: 人工智能实际上就是你有多少人工就有多少智能
Speaker 21: 嗯嗯
Speaker 1: 就说实际上就是when someone when something requires too much artificial staffs it's not
Speaker 1: it's hard to be intelligence
Speaker 21: 嗯嗯嗯
Speaker 1: 这实际上是我的一个个人观点就是嗯很多时候你做一一些事情如果他需要太多的人工去达到
Speaker 1: 就是想要的那种机器人的那样那样的层面实际上很多时候我们不会打算去做那个的
Speaker 1: 就比如说像check passport这种事件实际上它的
Speaker 1: 其实它的这个动作很简单
Speaker 21: 嗯
Speaker 1: 然后也非常容易所以说它很轻易的就会被取代但比如说像你作为教师授课啊这种实际上它是一个很难的一个过程它对于
Speaker 1: 他对于
Speaker 1: 就是robot的想要自己去做这件事情实际上是很难的他必须要员工给一些guidance
Speaker 1: 所以说实际上这是一个非常昂贵的一个东西
Speaker 21: 对
Speaker 1: 对所以说这个是我觉得是很难被replaced掉的
Speaker 1: 然后提到trust的这个问题怎么讲呢就是之前有过一个joke
Speaker 1: 就是说说如果一个如果一个robot想要想要伤害人类
Speaker 1: 我们需要做的就是拔掉它的电源
Speaker 21: 但如果它已经学会自己供应电的话怎么办
Speaker 1: 对呀这也是
Speaker 21: 自己安一个太阳能电板
Speaker 1: 嗯
Speaker 21: 也对哦这也是一个问题
Speaker 1: 所以就是
Speaker 1: 总归
Speaker 1: 嗯我觉得lose control这件事情相对来说还是比较的
Speaker 1: 怎么说
Speaker 1: 也不能说是比较有难度就是说
Speaker 1: 嗯相对来说还在比较可控的范围内
Speaker 21: 嗯
Speaker 1: 但是
Speaker 1: 就是现在也在讲说
Speaker 1: AI for social good
Speaker 1: 就是你要
Speaker 1: 远用用人工去引导AI去做一些
Speaker 1: good stuff就是不要引
Speaker 1: 不要说引引导它去做坏的事情就一定要把AI
Speaker 1: 放到好的人的手里去掌控它
Speaker 1: 对这样的话相对来说一定会往一个好的direction去发展的
Speaker 21: 嗯嗯
Speaker 21: What is your favorite smart phone which one is better than other
Speaker 21: 还有什么N9
Speaker 21: Should google be using your location
Speaker 1: Should google be using our location
Speaker 1: It's like a question about privacy
Speaker 21: yeah
Speaker 21: I think it's okay because呃it
Speaker 21: When it is collecting my information
Speaker 21: It can help me do something like guide me to somewhere
Speaker 21: So I think
Speaker 21: Sometimes it it can
Speaker 21: It can use my location
Speaker 21: But not all the time
Speaker 1: If you allows it to use maybe you can not control it
Speaker 1: It's like when you need it
Speaker 1: Of course they can use it but
Speaker 1: Actually when is like
Speaker 1: 嗯你也没有用谷歌google的服务然后但是google就在用你的location去
Speaker 1: 这实际上我一直在想他用的location有什么用呢I'm not that important be fair
Speaker 21: 但是怎么说这是之前现在有出过新闻吗就是说呃我们的手机不是自动开了一些麦克风的权限嘛然后他能够录到你平时说话的声音
Speaker 21: 就比如说我们现在讲话但其实我们手机里面有个app它是在默默的录下我的录音然后可能会有人在 那边collect
Speaker 21: 然后他能听到你在说什么然后这些可能会去做一个big data的一个处理比如说你今天提到哦你的衣服好好看你的绿色衣服好好看我好想买一件
Speaker 21: 然后他收到你这个信息他可能会在各个平台给你放投放对应的广告比如说像淘宝他就给你推一下你这件衣服的一个一个website之类的然后就吸引你去买
Speaker 21: 其实等于说他是在用你泄露的这些信息然后再为自己去获得一些利益这样子之前不知道是三六零还是哪一家人还就有爆出过这个新闻
Speaker 21: 说他有一点这样的问题
Speaker 1: 啊我在我在那个wechat和那个很多地方都见过就是有人说淘宝会这么干
Speaker 21: 对对
Speaker 1: let me let me see I want a red shoes I want a pair of red shoes
Speaker 1: do something
Speaker 21: 你中文讲的然后我有一双白色的鞋然后今天晚上打开淘宝看看哎呀妈呀白色的鞋一堆
Speaker 1: 但其实这种事情就是怎么说呢
Speaker 1: 只要它是for social good也是也还不错但是嗯我不知道诶反正对我来说privacy这件事情
Speaker 1: 怎么讲了就是他别跟我的钱搞上关系我都没什么
Speaker 21: 好像好像之前还是哪一家公司的那个摄像头就家用摄像头就比如说呃家里我们会放一两个摄像头去做监控嘛
Speaker 21: 然后呢也有时候它好像会自动开启它会自动开启然后录下你的一些片段它会之前就是有客户反馈说觉得这个东西侵犯了他们的隐私
Speaker 1: 对这个肯定是会有隐私的问题的
Speaker 21: 然后好像也不知道为什么就是突然间那些摄像头它会自己开启然后会去录一些你的这些生活的东西
Speaker 21: 所以就感觉可能是因为科幻电影看得太多会对于这方面会有一点担心就是有点怕他发展的太
Speaker 21: 太厉害了然后就失去了人类对它的控制
Speaker 1: 嗯我觉得你的担心也是有道理
Speaker 21: 呵
Speaker 1: 因为可能是我我不太就是我没太多想过这些事情
Speaker 1: 嗯对但是我觉得摄像头平白无故开起来这个
Speaker 1: 确实有点吓人
Speaker 21: 对就很怕被拍它到什么不该拍的东西
Speaker 1: 因为我我也不是一个平时在家里喜欢喜欢穿得很全套的人
Speaker 21: 嗯do you use any social media
Speaker 21: does social media is the future for connecting people or it becomes the place for hate speech
Speaker 1: hate speech哦就是一种恶意的言论rumour或者是
Speaker 1: 怎么讲呢我觉得it depends就是像我的
Speaker 1: how to say我的我也不是hate speech吧我就是有的时候会complain一些东西但是我不太想让我的朋友们知道
Speaker 21: 嗯
Speaker 1: 对但是我一般做这个会在我的微博里
Speaker 21: 嗯嗯呵呵ok
Speaker 1: 对因为微博很多时候它其实没有那么的close就是you can you can
Speaker 1: uh how to say关注
Speaker 1: 就是someone you you don't even know
Speaker 21: 嗯嗯
Speaker 1: and also your friends it's hard for your friends to know which which which kind of you uh
Speaker 21: you know what I mean
Speaker 21: 嗯
Speaker 1: 就是
Speaker 1: 嗯我觉得有的时候而且就是我的朋友他们其实很多人都不check他们关注的人的
Speaker 1: 他们一般都check那个热门hot tree
Speaker 21: 对
Speaker 1: 之之类的这种东西
Speaker 1: 所以我有时候可能会在微博里面抱怨很多东西
Speaker 1: 好像我们组里面就是外国的师兄我也不知道然后
Speaker 1: 对我们我就是my group is like um mixture
Speaker 1: soso many foreigners and also
Speaker 1: uh some of them are chinese but maybe just half of them
Speaker 21: 嗯
Speaker 21: so
Speaker 1: it's like
Speaker 1: for my likeness they don't know my account of微博
Speaker 1: and also for the foreigners they don't even use微博
Speaker 21: 嗯
Speaker 1: so it's good place to listen to
Speaker 1: 就是抱怨一些事情但是也也不是说对他人有恶意就是说对自己了但是你又不想把自己脆弱的一面展现给他们
Speaker 1: 其实对我来说那是一个很好的地方但是说connection这个方面肯定是像whatsapp啦因为local就是hong kong people这边都在用
Speaker 21: 嗯嗯
Speaker 1: 后像we wechat呀
Speaker 1: 像wechat呀这种东西就是我们像我们大陆的学生在用了嘛我觉得这种for connection就是很好的但是它其实有一点
Speaker 1: 就是for close friends you know what I mean
Speaker 1: so就是它实际上就是对于一些东西啊说又
Speaker 1: 不利于去表达的东西你懂我的意思
Speaker 21: 嗯嗯嗯
Speaker 1: 对
Speaker 21: 我有在想这个问题应为我觉得就有些人在社交平台上他可能会发一些自己个人的想法
Speaker 21: 但他其实发这个东西的时候他内心是很矛盾的
Speaker 21: 像他一方面他不想让人家知道他有这个想法
Speaker 21: 比如说可能我今天其实很难过很难过但是我又不想让人知道特别是不想让某些人知道我今天怎么怎么样
Speaker 21: 但是同另一方面呢我又想让特定的一小部分知道
Speaker 21: 比如说我想让我的很好的朋友让他知道说我今天发生什么可能你在发的过程中其实是一个需要寻求安慰的一个过程
Speaker 21: 对所以如果说是微博的话现在它之所以能发挥这种就是大家很很多人在上面发的这些呃比较算是有一点点负能量的东西
Speaker 21: 这是因为很多人已经不再用微博了
Speaker 21: 就是在使用微博的群体在
Speaker 21: 呃很很大范围的在缩削减大家都跑到微信那边去了
Speaker 21: 所以就是微博它其实可以满足大家的一种这种心态
Speaker 21: 就是
Speaker 21: 我又想发给别人看但是我又不想被太多人看到
Speaker 21: 所以就是只有很小的一部分人可以看到但是又确保呃还是有人看得到
Speaker 21: 而且我有个地方可以宣泄我的情绪
Speaker 21: 所以它会有一个这样的作用
Speaker 21: 然后
Speaker 21: 关于这个什么social media is the future for connecting people
Speaker 21: 我觉得它已经不只是future它现在就已经是了
Speaker 21: 对
Speaker 21: 就是我们现在其实跟其他人联系大部分都是先用social media
Speaker 21: 然后再in person
Speaker 21: 所以我觉得就是其实它已经是起到这样的一个作用了
Speaker 1: 嗯这个我也这么觉得就尤其是
Speaker 1: 其实我像我们在香港的话打电话给mainland的人就很贵所以我们一般会那种语音啊或者视频
Speaker 1: 就流量很便宜
Speaker 21: 嗯对
Speaker 21: Should children use smart phone
Speaker 1: Should children smart phone
Speaker 1: 啊this is an easy question maybe we can talk a bit
Speaker 1: 所以我觉得就是小孩子
Speaker 1: Yeah
Speaker 1: 我想我想先问你一个问题你是什么时候用你的smart phone
Speaker 21: 我是初一
Speaker 1: 嗯
Speaker 1: 我也差不多我是初二
Speaker 21: 啊
Speaker 1: 对我觉得就是
Speaker 1: 嗯怎么说呢就小学生感觉不是很有必要用
Speaker 21: 对主要是因为我们那时候真的是还没有这么发达
Speaker 21: 我我们前段时间的时候手机还没有在到像现在这么发达
Speaker 21: 然后其实我现在就是我们身边如果有小学小孩子的话其实很多已经拿着拿着手机了
Speaker 21: 或者是拿着平板
Speaker 21: 就会在家里玩这样子
Speaker 1: 是的但是就是
Speaker 1: 感觉他们像小学生他们就是connect的这种需求不是很大
Speaker 1: 这是我感觉有的时候家里可能住在一个一个社区
Speaker 21: 嗯
Speaker 1: 然后喊一声就好了
Speaker 1: 或者是直接打电话到
Speaker 1: 就是让自己的家长打电话到对方家长那里其实就
Speaker 1: 相对比较方便
Speaker 21: 嗯
Speaker 1: 可能初中初中生可能就要去补习班啊这样的还有一点
Speaker 1: 就是可能需要
Speaker 1: 打电话沟通这样的一个需求
Speaker 21: 嗯嗯嗯对我也觉得
Speaker 1: 然后
Speaker 1: 而且就是小的时候像我初二的时候虽然拿了手机但是我可能
Speaker 1: 就是如果爸妈都在家我可能一周都不看一下
Speaker 21: 我那时候是用来看小说
Speaker 21: 难怪我中考考得这么差
Speaker 1: 我不知道因为因为我不知道因为可能是北方相对比较
Speaker 1: 我不知道是闭塞还是
Speaker 1: 这是发展的那种tempo比较慢
Speaker 1: 就是
Speaker 1: 我
Speaker 1: I don't even know what is流量
Speaker 21: 嗯哼really ok
Speaker 1: 对然后就是我是
Speaker 1: 高一的时候才知道有这个概念的
Speaker 21: 啊
Speaker 1: 真的然后因为之前在电脑其实你
Speaker 1: 就是你不太需要care流量这个东西
Speaker 1: 然后用手机我当时就
Speaker 1: 完全不知道我对手机的当时的作用就是
Speaker 1: 拍照片打电话发短信
Speaker 21: 嗯
Speaker 1: 对然后对我来说就是it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: 就是你有你有手机和没有手机是没差
Speaker 1: who cares
Speaker 1: 那种感觉
Speaker 21: 是啊其实是这样
Speaker 2: okay so let's talk about technology um so now nowadays let's see one of the most
Speaker 2: like one of a hottest topic in this world is artificial intelligence
Speaker 2: so what do you think about artificial intelligence like what do you feel like um
Speaker 2: 人工智能会将未来会变成什么样子
Speaker 24: yeah first of all I would call of the recent topic you talk so it is something that is actually going to help people
Speaker 24: especially those like are less able to do something
Speaker 24: 就像你之前说那个人工智能的遥控器它能够按照它的嗯学习还有它的储存去搜寻那些
Speaker 24: 一些想要看的频道我觉得这是一个就很好的创意也是一个确实能够帮助一些行动不便的人
Speaker 24: 特别记忆力不太好的老人家会很受益
Speaker 24: in I believe like artificial intelligence is something that also helpful to learn about the human logic and
Speaker 24: the neuron structure as well大大脑神经还有它的结构因为可以帮助我们可能
Speaker 24: 更好的去学习人类思维的本身也更好的了解我们人类自己
Speaker 24: 嗯虽然也可能有很多争议觉得人工智能发展太快的话它们可能会使我们人类会败给机器
Speaker 24: like if you get the machines too smart oh maybe someday we can't handle them
Speaker 24: and they would get together like those scientific films
Speaker 24: they'll [UNK] to destroy human beings but I don't know
Speaker 24: like对maybe scientific [UNK] theories behind them
Speaker 2: 嗯ok so what do you think you do you feel like um
Speaker 2: 人工智能有一天就是um I I think now in some area人工智能已经能够做到比人类要好
Speaker 2: 在在某一些领域呃比如说我知道之前有一些新闻关于关于一些法律的案件人人工智能做得更好还有一些甚至癌症的预测
Speaker 2: 在某一些癌癌症上人工智能 [UNK] 他们他们通过联合各个的各个的模型它能够让这个预测的结果比some expert要好
Speaker 2: 嗯但是你觉得人工智能未来会就是发展到最好之后它能够它它是真正能够对人类好还是对人类
Speaker 2: 就是他们可能会会觉得ok so we are the best we can we don't need human and anymore do you think this will happen or not
Speaker 24: 嗯
Speaker 24: yeah actually I'm kind of interested like in this field for a long time as well
Speaker 24: so you know like
Speaker 24: there were computer [UNK] design to play chess
Speaker 24: 就能够下棋的电脑like from [UNK] called deep blue and later like we have alphago阿尔法狗
Speaker 24: yeah i know alphago with very powerful like it won the top
Speaker 24: chess player in the world
Speaker 24: I think even the competitor found it so hard to beat alphago
Speaker 24: 然后我觉得
Speaker 24: 对现在的人工智能它已经因为有一个网络的功能like it can network with many other resources instead of just a single machine
Speaker 24: so i know that it's more powerful in terms of resourcing
Speaker 24: 它确实能够得到更多的资源去处理它面对的问题所以它的学习的速度确实令我们很吃惊
Speaker 24: 当然我觉得它对于帮助我们去解决一些专业领域的工作应该有很大意义像你说的那个
Speaker 24: 癌症预测or some kinds of the legal work
Speaker 24: or even accounting I heard in big four companies like they have been employing AI in dealing with their accounting work
Speaker 24: and they found it actually quite useful in identifying problems from the financial report of the companies
Speaker 24: um somehow those professional accountants feel that they are relieved
Speaker 24: but yeah they are probably they are not going to have the job any more
Speaker 24: in as you said that if one day artificial intelligence will it go into depth stage and say that they are powerful enough to like solve everything in the world
Speaker 24: it probably it is sounds like human being laid aside because they don't need to think about anything on their own
Speaker 24: yeah that would be kind of degrading for the human being
Speaker 24: 我觉得对到了哪天人类可能因为不用思考的东西的人类的大脑功能肯定要退化好多
Speaker 24: 但是我觉得嗯目前的人工智能技术还不能在情感方面嗯和人类比拟
Speaker 24: i [UNK] yeah any AI objects or technology can not yet well develop emotions
Speaker 24: and I don't think they can well like express something like love anger or sadness
Speaker 24: or afraid
Speaker 24: even though those things like are believed to be useless for AI
Speaker 24: but i feel that's like essential elements in a [UNK] society of humans
Speaker 24: 我我觉得嗯因为人人类社会还是需要很多的情感表达
Speaker 24: 所以才有人类很灿烂的文明我相信这个是人工智能目前看到所创造不了的
Speaker 24: 而且按照大部分人对于人工智能发展的思路来说我觉得他们不会把这个功能加到人工智能上面
Speaker 2: actually yeah you're right uh like
Speaker 2: everything related to [UNK] my emotion
Speaker 2: um are like very difficult
Speaker 2: for artificial intelligence we cannot
Speaker 2: do the the real already [UNK] empathetic
Speaker 2: like check box which can understand
Speaker 2: what do you think and which can response you
Speaker 2: like just
Speaker 2: 正确的回答
Speaker 2: 正确的让
Speaker 2: 呃正确回答能够让你感到舒服
Speaker 2: 或者是能够
Speaker 2: 就是准确的切中要害
Speaker 2: it is very very very
Speaker 2: hard
Speaker 2: um
Speaker 2: 但是有一点要有一点我想
Speaker 2: 我感觉的是
Speaker 2: 呃
Speaker 2: artificial intelligence can really like
Speaker 2: like some某一天他们会反对人类
Speaker 2: it's depends on what you
Speaker 2: depends on your codes
Speaker 2: you
Speaker 2: you code them to make them defeat human
Speaker 2: they will defeat human
Speaker 2: you if you don't code them in this way
Speaker 2: it's ok
Speaker 24: 哦yeah I think they have a very famous move called Asimov
Speaker 24: like three base principles阿西莫夫三定律like they regulate the robots and not to rebelled against human being
Speaker 24: but yes I know like sometimes their will
Speaker 24: [UNK] or some ambitious person uh wanted to achieve something on their own
Speaker 24: 嗯如果人人工智能被用于去实现某些野心的话它有可能被设计为违反这些定律
Speaker 24: 然后可能会对人类造成很大的伤害
Speaker 24: 我想这个可能也需要最终人类自身的智慧去设计一个机制
Speaker 24: like they have to develop a government system or some kind of the international
Speaker 24: agreements to
Speaker 24: handle this kind of issue
Speaker 2: 嗯but now I feel like um
Speaker 2: yeah it is like some movies like you code in this way but actually robot do it in another way
Speaker 2: it's like kind of like change the the code in their in the body
Speaker 2: but I feel like it is almost impossible yeah
Speaker 2: um but um maybe I'm not sure
Speaker 2: but i feel like for now at at at least for now if you don't code them to to like defeat human to do something bad
Speaker 2: it's ok for now ok
Speaker 24: um so I believe it's something just like the nuclear weapons if we know nuclear weapon is very destructive
Speaker 24: so they do have international treaties like not to use them
Speaker 24: especially towards those who don't own this kind of power
Speaker 24: and yet we still can't totally prevent some politicians like wanted to threat others like with that kind of power
Speaker 24: 所以就像很多的科技一样我觉得人工智能它有一个两面性
Speaker 24: 可能最重要的还是要控制人类的欲望还有人类遵守法律的决心
Speaker 24: 以及它们为人类整个整体未来的福祉考虑
Speaker 2: ok ok so we change another subtopic um um analyze like which is not artificial intelligence
Speaker 2: 呃是什么是你最喜欢的手机嗯更细化的说是你更喜欢安卓还是ios
Speaker 24: umthis very good question honestly because I was the user of both operation system
Speaker 24: 嗯其实我最早用手机的时候用的是诺基亚 [UNK] yet they still have the brand for probably do something
Speaker 24: like more at once like the five G technology
Speaker 24: 嗯然后我看后来就使用开始用iphone然后后来我再回到香港的时候我就用安卓用华为的安卓
Speaker 24: um I think like at the beginning ios totally [UNK] Android
Speaker 24: because like the the movements and the [UNK] and even the UI design on the iphone is much better than Android
Speaker 24: and also like they have less bug
Speaker 2: 嗯哼
Speaker 24: and later on like I find out iphone didn't progress than much
Speaker 24: it while the android devices like they are incorporating many more functions
Speaker 24: 所以那个安卓集团后来有那些按指纹触控啊人脸识别甚至有那个经常触控n f c
Speaker 24: so this getting it more powerful
Speaker 24: and actually like the Huawei I owned like they have even more functions than iphone than I had
Speaker 24: so somehow
Speaker 24: that's why I feel like the Android is getting better and better because it is an open system open source
Speaker 24: system that can incorporates the intelligence form different institutions and individuals
Speaker 24: 当然有人不断去开发它我觉得它的功能真的越来越完善虽然安全性我还是不知道
Speaker 24: yet I believe iphone to be a safer o s
Speaker 24: because I heard on these six engineers who know the original code
Speaker 2: okay yeah I agree with you actually I also feel like ios
Speaker 2: 他们的系统都呃差不多都一个样他们确实会有在更新他们的系统但是他们的功能或多或少都还是那个样子
Speaker 2: um but one thing I am not satisfied with Android is
Speaker 2: 嗯我感觉他们的系统用着容易卡我感觉你可能也能体会得到比如第一年还好一般来说是到
Speaker 2: the second year or the third year should have like some卡顿
Speaker 24: oh I see
Speaker 24: actually like I only use my huawei for one year
Speaker 24: it's already suffering some kind of problem as you mentioned
Speaker 24: it's not saying about like
Speaker 24: like being stuck or or slowing down
Speaker 24: more about like the
Speaker 24: the battery is dying down much faster than before
Speaker 24: 安卓系统可能它有一个设计就是它的电池消耗太快了
Speaker 24: 经常一天要冲两三次以上才能保证正常的使用
Speaker 24: 这也是我觉得它的一个比较不好的缺陷
Speaker 24: and the other thing
Speaker 24: is maybe the securities stuff
Speaker 24: [UNK] the security because
Speaker 24: as a open source system like it can vivid e c a to effects by the virus
Speaker 24: and
Speaker 24: even today i don't know like if they are
Speaker 24: that many virus as before
Speaker 24: when we were using PCs
Speaker 24: but still like
Speaker 24: when i have to use Android device
Speaker 24: um I really have too like
Speaker 24: having the antivirus program running
Speaker 24: I will show they before I do security
Speaker 24: level of the usage like banking
Speaker 24: at the phone
Speaker 2: 嗯
Speaker 2: yeah I agree with that
Speaker 2: yeah
Speaker 2: so
Speaker 2: ok another thing is should google use your location
Speaker 2: you areagree with that
Speaker 24: I think that's a
Speaker 24: matter of privacy um
Speaker 24: 就是如果我们开那个定位
Speaker 24: 这是应该很多很多
Speaker 24: app都在实际上用的一个功能
Speaker 24: 可能国内的美团也好携程也好
Speaker 24: 它们也需要滴滴也好它们需要用这个功能去
Speaker 24: 就帮助你去更快的使使用他们的服务
Speaker 24: but like in this sense I think it's acceptable to a degree
Speaker 24: if we don't turn their function on
Speaker 24: and when allowed
Speaker 24: the corporate collectors information so we will be able to
Speaker 24: [UNK] use the service as convenient as they promoted
Speaker 24: and yet I know there is some kind of it privacy issue
Speaker 24: because like the corporate does know about the
Speaker 24: your daily movements
Speaker 24: then they can literary know l where you go every day
Speaker 24: and what your order
Speaker 24: and they can even guess like what time you normally go home
Speaker 24: and if those information are leak out to the criminals yeah there can be a lot of threat to to security of the public
Speaker 24: 你不想每个人的行踪都被跟踪得这么细致
Speaker 2: 我其实我其实同意这一点
Speaker 2: 嗯
Speaker 2: uh
Speaker 2: yeah they they record your location so that's like
Speaker 2: what if like your [UNK] location information get hacked by some guy
Speaker 2: then
Speaker 2: 如果他们会要对你做出一些不好的事情的话就感觉好危险特别是你只要我一想想
Speaker 2: 我是每天所有的我如果打开了我的定位我每天所走的地方都被知道的话
Speaker 2: 确实就是at my personality whatever will be can be predicted by this [UNK] location and and this solve them
Speaker 2: can be predicted
Speaker 2: by install location information but another thing is that if is some app get your
Speaker 2: location and they can recommend you something for example
Speaker 2: uh uh a [UNK] app like you go to this and they will recommend you something [UNK] 美美团
Speaker 2: 呃你到了这个城市你定位一打开我们就可以推荐你一些这当地的好吃的东西
Speaker 2: it so this is a a good thing
Speaker 24: 对我也赞同这个功能其实很好很好用
Speaker 24: but i believe companys like美团like they better probably have a law regulating this matter
Speaker 24: for example like those tracking of location shall be only keep for certain months
Speaker 24: and
Speaker 24: if it's more ideal they better not keep their history locations
Speaker 24: so I
Speaker 24: your privacy would not be having that risk of leaking out
Speaker 24: 所以如果他们
Speaker 24: 不要记录过多你的行踪信息我觉得
Speaker 24: 有这样的法律去规定
Speaker 24: 那样他应该会是更加容易
Speaker 24: 少一点为我们带来危险
Speaker 2: yeah I agree
Speaker 2: so so we just stop here
Speaker 4: 哦所以我们现在来换掉一些跟technology有关那些topic
Speaker 4: 那你听过artificial intelligent AI吗
Speaker 4: 所以你是相信
Speaker 4: like AI可以kind of
Speaker 4: 击败那个人类就是有一天可以甚至replace像你讲的你是相信它可以replace human的
Speaker 4: 是我同意所以
Speaker 4: 像你刚才讲的self driving car这个问题其实最有名就是那个
Speaker 4: 就 [UNK] 问题就是反正你在两条路的时候
Speaker 4: 有一边可以
Speaker 4: 嗯有一边会撞死五个人
Speaker 4: 对吧你如果往左转一到一个叉路
Speaker 4: 你往左转你会撞死五个人
Speaker 4: 你往右转你会掉下悬崖
Speaker 4: 那这时候这self driving car应该要选择去
Speaker 4: kill that five people
Speaker 4: 还是往下右转牺牲自己呢
Speaker 4: 对吧
Speaker 4: 所以做两边其实都 [UNK]
Speaker 4: [UNK] doesn't make sense
Speaker 4: 对
Speaker 4: 那如果是你你认为如果在这种状况的时候
Speaker 4: 你认为一个好的self driving car应该要做怎样的一个decision
Speaker 4: 呃这是突发状况
Speaker 4: 就在一个砰然后突然有一个人冲出来了
Speaker 4: at at that stage你只能方向盘往左或往右嘛
Speaker 4: 但往右是悬崖诶
Speaker 4: 往左你会冲进冲进一个很多人的地方一定会有很多人死亡
Speaker 4: then what do you make your decision
Speaker 4: 是
Speaker 4: 我我是认为
Speaker 4: 百分之九十的人都会都会往左边去去撞那些人
Speaker 4: 就是应该说他们在做在这个情况下他们就不会 [UNK] 他们只会想到往右会会是悬崖会挂掉
Speaker 4: 就他们并不会想到往左可能造成更多人伤亡这件事情
Speaker 4: 对我不知道但是
Speaker 4: 就你今天你今天一个AI的一个self driving car在做这个decision的时候
Speaker 4: 你如果选择你往右摔下去绝对不会有人买你的车
Speaker 4: 对吧as a as a as how to say customer
Speaker 4: why need buy a car
Speaker 4: 会去让我让我这个驾驶人死掉嘞
Speaker 4: 对吧你如果是选择做这个decision我怎么可能spend my money to
Speaker 4: you know
Speaker 4: 去买你这个产品
Speaker 4: 对但是你今天
Speaker 4: in like ethical way你如果今天宣传的时候在这情况下的时候我会往右转去撞死的
Speaker 4: 大家也觉得eh sounds weird
Speaker 4: 对吧所以
Speaker 4: [UNK] 我觉得我这是一个这不是technology相关的问题我我认为再过五年十年
Speaker 4: like uh AI can drive better than human
Speaker 4: I mean average of humans
Speaker 4: but still
Speaker 4: like
Speaker 4: 因为不同人在面对这种 [UNK] 这种
Speaker 4: 这种抉择的时候他们是base on their own decision
Speaker 4: 对吧so they need to pay they need to have responsibility to what decision they've made
Speaker 4: 最最终不管他选择哪一个他死一个他 [UNK] 死是他要做这个决定的所以他要负责任但是如果今天有一个AI的system的话
Speaker 4: 那
Speaker 4: 这个决定其实是universal的
Speaker 4: 对吧就是今天只要任何人用这个system全世界一几几个billion的人全部都要做这个decision
Speaker 4: 那这里就是就有点怪而且像刚才讲的其实也不知道是谁要付这个responsibility
Speaker 4: 对吧是开发的工程师呢those soft engineer who develop these systems
Speaker 4: 需要这些负责任呢还是那个driver
Speaker 4: 对或者是的我不知道你怎么看
Speaker 4: 哦我自己觉得像是一般比如说你去跳伞的时候什么之类他会告诉你
Speaker 4: 你要签了就是我 [UNK] 这个这个东西存活率九十九点九九
Speaker 4: 啊你要签你要用那你就要签签代表什么意思就是你死了不管我的事
Speaker 4: 对就是你一签下去之后就your life depends depends on
Speaker 4: yourself
Speaker 4: so whatever accidents
Speaker 4: 你就是要去负这个责任
Speaker 4: 对因为是你要用这个产品就像我我自己是觉得这才是一个比较
Speaker 4: make sense的一个东西就比如说今天全部的车子都有self's driving的这个function
Speaker 4: 那驾驶人是自己可以决定我要不要去按那下那个button然后说诶开启self driving motion
Speaker 4: 对吧那
Speaker 4: 我自己是觉得愿意使用这个function的人应该是要负一些责任的
Speaker 4: 或者是说之类的不然的话这样你也很难讲就是比如说嗯
Speaker 4: 比如说今天今天一个
Speaker 4: 一个company他想要他就是这个这样子的一个功能那如果这个company要负所有责任的话
Speaker 4: 那
Speaker 4: 去那其其实是可以very easy to destroy this company
Speaker 4: 你懂吗就是如果今天这个company是要负一百啪的责任那我今天如果是它的对手
Speaker 4: i mean their enemy i can easily [UNK] destroy them
Speaker 4: because i can make i can attack them and then make all the accident happens and then it will bankrupt
Speaker 4: because
Speaker 4: 所有这些东西跟性命相关的事情绝对不是
Speaker 4: 一个小事
Speaker 4: 就一两件事情就可以直接把你的
Speaker 4: fame你的所有的一切trust customer trust毁灭一旦
Speaker 4: 所以我觉得在开始之前一定要先理清就是哦如果愿意使用这个产品的话到底是要责任归咎谁不然的话太容易
Speaker 4: 比如说特斯拉好了Tesla
Speaker 4: is easy to [UNK] just crush everything of their
Speaker 4: their their their fame in in few days
Speaker 4: 嗯
Speaker 4: 是讲到这self driving car其实我个人觉得
Speaker 4: 我个人觉得其实它其实是有难易之分
Speaker 4: 就是some parts are easy some parts are hard easy part makes like
Speaker 4: 可以在短时间内我认为三到五年就可以fully functional的
Speaker 4: 就是在呃高速公路上的的这种使用
Speaker 4: 就是比如说self driving car uh the most difficult part i think is
Speaker 4: 就是那些控制就是避障
Speaker 4: 就定速啊换车道啊这种东西其其实是一个相对简单的一些东西那其实在高速公路上尤其是像是大
Speaker 4: 大城市大大区域较大的国家像是美国或是中国这种很很长时间是需要那种大卡车在高速公路上移动这种其实very easy to be replaced by
Speaker 4: [UNK] AI because there is no risk
Speaker 4: 并没有好比较少的几率会突然的有人走出来
Speaker 4: 或者是有一些红绿灯这种转弯或是什么之类的这种所以高速高速公路上其实是
Speaker 4: 一个非常简单的一个scenario
Speaker 4: 对那我认为self driving的话现在就是卡在
Speaker 4: 一般的用卖车的时候这个你不能说哦我这台车only for freeway
Speaker 4: right我卖这台车就是要
Speaker 4: 这个人
Speaker 4: 那里开嘛所以他必须要应付各种情况各种雪地呀呃呃高速公路啊市区啊路道啊小路窄路宽路全部都anything need to be
Speaker 4: uh
Speaker 4: involve in [UNK] scenario所以我认为这是一个比较困难的的点
Speaker 4: 对所以我认为短期内三五年内那种运输车在highway上面的东西一定都是
Speaker 4: automatic
Speaker 4: 对但是这种在市区跟跟人又比较靠近跟
Speaker 4: 你懂吗就是more close to people's life
Speaker 4: ah in the city
Speaker 4: 这种这种
Speaker 4: 我认为就比较会比较没那么快
Speaker 4: 对
Speaker 4: 嗯
Speaker 4: ok这个其实我有很多可以讲因为我有一个you know I have a sister which is younger nine years old younger than me
Speaker 4: and我的generation呢我们是没有smart phone的她的generation呢she is grown up with smart phone
Speaker 4: oh she is not grown up with small phone but her classmate is grown up with small phone
Speaker 4: 她的那个世代在我们这个世代没有手机是一件非常正常a very common thing
Speaker 4: if you have small phone means you are rich right at our generation but in her generation
Speaker 4: if if you don't have smart phone you are weird
Speaker 4: 所有的人百分之九十九就是应该叫九十五part九十percent以上的人呢都有smart phone
Speaker 4: 所以当你没有smart phone的时候就变得很奇怪的一件事情而且所有人的社交啊
Speaker 4: 社交的机制都改变就像我们之前绝对不会是交换facebook交换instagram来交朋友
Speaker 4: 我们是有什么我们一定有家里的连家里的电话号码
Speaker 4: 交朋友诶你要跟最好朋友你一定有他家的电话号码吧然后you will also remember the birthday
Speaker 4: 并不是remind by facebook right and also
Speaker 4: anyway the the top thing is different
Speaker 4: 然后
Speaker 4: 嗯下课之后如果大家想要聊天也比较困难所以所以可能会 [UNK] 相约会出去
Speaker 4: 出去玩或者什么之类的都是比较实体的东西所以交朋友是要靠这些东西
Speaker 4: 但是
Speaker 4: 在我妹妹那个这个这个年代交朋友就跟网络非常相关的
Speaker 4: 就如果你们没有手机的话你就没办法加入line的群组
Speaker 4: 就你没有办法了跟同学下课之后继续聊天
Speaker 4: 那可能有些像我妹给我讲就是说some people say something in the group in your line group
Speaker 4: and all of they know it only she doesn't doesn't know it
Speaker 4: 所以很多事情发生了但她不知道她就觉得被排挤的感觉
Speaker 4: 好那这就回到what my parents think
Speaker 4: 我的父母呢觉得哎你哥哥没有手机你哥哥在长大 [UNK] 国中高中有手机吗没有吗
Speaker 4: and why you need one
Speaker 4: and if you I give you a smart phone means what it may um influence your study
Speaker 4: 就我父母觉得给手机就会造成呃小孩子不专心
Speaker 4: 对
Speaker 4: 那这个东西我想大家都应该是同意的
Speaker 4: 就因为有手机会就是各种诶花的多时间在手机上面所以会
Speaker 4: 比较
Speaker 4: 比较那个但是我我我后来是担任的角色是我去persuade my parents to give my [UNK] sister a cell a smart phone
Speaker 4: 然后my mom is very exist非常坚持不要不要给
Speaker 4: 对那我我我后来是真的是觉得this is generation difference really
Speaker 4: like if I were her
Speaker 4: 我不希望我自己是一个在一个九十五percent的同学同班同学
Speaker 4: everyone has smart phone but I am the
Speaker 4: only five percent don't have smart phone
Speaker 4: i mean make make me so weird right
Speaker 4: 所以我说还是诶就觉得我我我是支持这件事
Speaker 4: yeah children should have smart phone
Speaker 4: because it help them to grow up mentally healthier
Speaker 4: and you should like你应该是教他怎么样去smartly use smart phone
Speaker 4: 而不是去就是禁止他去使用这种东西
Speaker 4: 对啊这是我的我opinion
Speaker 4: 所以我完全同意就是
Speaker 4: like
Speaker 4: i don't think a parents can forever ban their kids to using smartphone
Speaker 4: 所以在某一个时间点他们一定会开始使用手机
Speaker 4: 所以
Speaker 4: 就是我我一开始很不了不理解我父母的关系就是说哦上大学以后we get into get into the good university then you can get a smartphone
Speaker 4: 我真的很不了解这个观念就是说
Speaker 4: 就是自进一个好大学
Speaker 4: doesn't mean anything
Speaker 4: like i saw so many example like进入university之后then
Speaker 4: because they don't play any computer games before and that
Speaker 4: get addicted to it
Speaker 4: never study
Speaker 4: 然后经过了四年之后
Speaker 4: 他们的grade就是从
Speaker 4: 诶进来的时候诶 [UNK] 看到top ten percent
Speaker 4: 然后慢慢地慢慢地越玩越玩越晚然后到最后就是连毕业it's hard even hard for them to graduate
Speaker 4: 所以我自己是觉得嗯
Speaker 4: 但这不是我主要的concern吧就我自己的concern还是说就
Speaker 4: when my sisters complain to me like about
Speaker 4: 她的一些
Speaker 4: 生活班上相处的状况
Speaker 4: 她跟我说哦
Speaker 4: 她有一个哦因为我我我父母有给她一个智智障性手机
Speaker 4: you know the phones only can dial the number and call someone you know when we [UNK] we when we are [UNK] children that that kind of phone
Speaker 4: 他们只可以给她这种
Speaker 4: stupid phone
Speaker 4: 所以she told me how embarrassed she take out this phone in front of
Speaker 4: her classmates
Speaker 4: 所以我完全可以理解这是一个怎么样的一个feeling
Speaker 4: 就是当每个人都是
Speaker 4: 呃touch screen
Speaker 4: right呃the first time is第的第一次见面的时候第一就是哎
Speaker 4: let's adding Facebook
Speaker 4: 然后我的我妹要怎么样呢从口袋那边拿出一个智障型手机来我给我你的电话号码吧对哦就是这种就是我们认为反正造成一种社交的一个barrier
Speaker 4: 就我认为就是对于一个 [UNK] 一个小孩子的成长
Speaker 4: 就是这种事我觉得就一定会造成一些影响所以后来反正我就是基于这个主要是这个理由啦倒不是什么
Speaker 4: 什么啊会
Speaker 4: 会那个沉迷游戏呀什么之类的我是基于这这个理由我就觉得
Speaker 4: 就是应该还是一真的是要给她一个智慧型手机
Speaker 4: 好
Speaker 4: ok
Speaker 5: okay
Speaker 5: 嗯我们讨论过education之后
Speaker 5: 接下来我们想要讨论一下关于technology的话题
Speaker 5: 嗯
Speaker 5: 首先
Speaker 5: 嗯作为Phd的学生而且我们都是在AI领域的
Speaker 5: 呃
Speaker 5: 算是业内人so do you trust artificial intelligence
Speaker 5: 嗯当然从这个角度是说
Speaker 5: AI现在越来越human like
Speaker 5: 嗯嗯就是你
Speaker 5: 相信AI吗然后
Speaker 5: 会不会担心
Speaker 5: 嗯AI会嗯hurt us就是会伤害我们
Speaker 5: 嗯或者会做出一些antihuman的事情
Speaker 6: 哦
Speaker 6: 我个人认为啊嗯
Speaker 6: AI
Speaker 6: 它是一项
Speaker 6: 呃
Speaker 6: 技术base a technology and we hands a technology it's still human
Speaker 6: So whether the technology will be good or bad
Speaker 6: It will depends on the people who create it
Speaker 6: Of course AI can evolve they can learn by themselves
Speaker 6: So there will be some kind of呃factors
Speaker 6: 这是有可能会失控
Speaker 6: 嗯但是一开始的出发点还是觉是由啊AI背后的人的一些ethics道德等等来决定的
Speaker 6: 啊所以AI其实它是有一定的risk
Speaker 6: 会可能会非常的evil甚至会伤害到人类的一些呃利益
Speaker 6: 但是嗯
Speaker 6: 我觉得所有事情其实都是一个evolution
Speaker 6: 就是哪怕是我们human being其实也只是整个你可以认为是生物界或者说某种
Speaker 6: 呃存在的形式而已啊只是说我们在过去的
Speaker 6: 呃进化当中我们是一个优胜者
Speaker 6: 那ai它虽然是由我们创造的created by us but maybe there are another special species它们也有可能是一个特殊的物种它有可能会取代我们
Speaker 6: 所以我觉得
Speaker 6: 不知道拭目以待吧对
Speaker 5: 嗯
Speaker 5: 所以嗯你刚才的话呢啊remind me of a example
Speaker 5: ah i remember some
Speaker 5: em it's a project啊that's an这个paper就是关于怎么用啊CV的一些方法嗯去辨别homosexual
Speaker 5: 从从图片上去辨别这个人是不是哎呀homosexual当然这个project本身是facebook的
Speaker 5: 从技术上来来说是没有难度但是呃可能从这个intention的角度来说嗯那这个project的
Speaker 5: authors可能嗯存在着一些呃
Speaker 5: 歧视homosexual的一些问题存在所以就像你说的
Speaker 5: 嗯um使用ai的人是evil的但是ai ai这项技术本身嗯it's not evil
Speaker 5: 嗯所以我也同意你的观点嗯那它我们能否呃trust ai嗯其实是说我们能不能相信
Speaker 5: um humanity能不能相信人性
Speaker 5: 啊但我觉得这个
Speaker 5: 就是要因
Speaker 5: 呃因事而立it depends
Speaker 5: 嗯不同的啊事情的话要um
Speaker 5: 呃就需要单独来说
Speaker 5: 嗯就是这样然后
Speaker 5: 嗯
Speaker 5: 你你会认你认为就是robots就是说机器人啊会在
Speaker 5: 会一定比humans要好吗然后如果说你认为嗯它
Speaker 5: is better
Speaker 5: 嗯他会在哪些
Speaker 5: 领域
Speaker 5: 超过人类呢
Speaker 6: 嗯
Speaker 6: at the current stage of
Speaker 6: robotics
Speaker 6: 呃
Speaker 6: 其实是
Speaker 6: 有一些技术方面的领先
Speaker 6: 比如一些工业机器人
Speaker 6: 呃他们可以做大量的
Speaker 6: 重复性的工作
Speaker 6: 啊而不会感觉到疲惫
Speaker 6: 啊嗯他们只会消耗电力
Speaker 6: 啊不会感到疲惫所以在某些方面在这些方面他们是可能会比人类更强一些的
Speaker 6: 但是啊
Speaker 6: 呃涉及到creativity啊创造性啊
Speaker 6: 或者说甚至是审美相关的一些东西的话目前来说啊
Speaker 6: 呃机器人背后的这个技术可能还不具备让他们具有那些呃认知能力或者说更高级的一些呃人人工智能把他们不具备这种能力
Speaker 6: 啊所以可能他们没有办法从事这方面的一些
Speaker 6: 一些一些工作
Speaker 5: 嗯
Speaker 5: 嗯关于你说到的
Speaker 5: 嗯机器人没有审就是没有审美这一点呢
Speaker 5: 啊i believe current technologies are
Speaker 5: moving on this direction啊就是比如说我说一个example
Speaker 5: 有人在
Speaker 5: um用机器去
Speaker 5: um生成一些
Speaker 5: posters
Speaker 5: um你知道
Speaker 5: 嗯淘宝
Speaker 5: 的双十一节
Speaker 5: and a lot of posters for the products
Speaker 5: 呃they are not generated by
Speaker 5: um persons they are generated by machine
Speaker 5: um
Speaker 5: 而且从外观上来看
Speaker 5: 呃审美并不差
Speaker 5: 这可能
Speaker 5: possible reason就是
Speaker 5: 这个用来训练这个machine的
Speaker 5: 呃
Speaker 5: 这个training set本来就是人挑选出来的已经有一定那个
Speaker 5: 呃没关的一些图片呃各种海报
Speaker 5: so i think that i'm um
Speaker 5: robots can um
Speaker 5: in some degree it can um replace um
Speaker 5: some positions and which and
Speaker 5: 就以前只有人类才能够胜任的现在
Speaker 5: 呃robots也能够胜任了
Speaker 6: but here i want to add something um
Speaker 6: for me i think um审美其实是有一些内容和表达的
Speaker 6: 呃
Speaker 6: 呃you have mentioned that machine can generate some beautiful pictures
Speaker 6: but actually
Speaker 6: i think we have no sense
Speaker 6: of what
Speaker 6: um
Speaker 6: beauty is
Speaker 6: you just like
Speaker 6: um
Speaker 6: 我觉得他们只是
Speaker 6: 他们没有思想
Speaker 6: 所以其实他没有一套完整的道德标准呃审美的标准
Speaker 6: 针对每次欣赏其实是当你不懂的时候
Speaker 6: 其实当你不懂是什么是美的话的时候其实
Speaker 6: um
Speaker 6: 我觉得
Speaker 6: 我觉得我觉得
Speaker 6: 对
Speaker 6: 我觉得可能
Speaker 6: 不太不太不太嗯
Speaker 5: 嗯我明白您意思就是说robots没有它一个审美的标准它
Speaker 5: everything he learns is what we told him
Speaker 5: 所以他只学到的是怎么
Speaker 5: 去生成更 [UNK]
Speaker 5: 更相似的内容而已
Speaker 5: 嗯
Speaker 5: 那么嗯第二个问题是嗯do you [UNK] use any social media
Speaker 5: 嗯你使用一些什么社交网络呢
Speaker 5: 嗯然后
Speaker 5: 你认为社交网络是
Speaker 5: 呃the future for connecting people
Speaker 5: 嗯
Speaker 5: 或者说
Speaker 5: 社交网络只是一个大家宣泄there
Speaker 5: 嗯hate speech的地方
Speaker 6: 哦
Speaker 6: i use social media a lot
Speaker 6: it's kind of like one part of my
Speaker 6: daily life
Speaker 6: for example wechat
Speaker 6: ah weibo qq
Speaker 6: and it's
Speaker 6: actually a
Speaker 6: normal way for me to
Speaker 6: connect me with my friends and my family
Speaker 6: 我觉得其实人和人之间是需要沟通和联系的
Speaker 6: 但是现在大家其实散布在不同的地方
Speaker 6: 社交平台或社交网络它给我们提供了一种渠道可以把大家进行一个
Speaker 6: 呃
Speaker 6: 不限制距离的一个连接
Speaker 6: 而且他们有很多很丰富的功能例如呃you can do a a video chat or just voice chat
Speaker 6: and when you do vedio chat you can see the person
Speaker 6: 所以一切都是非常近距离的
Speaker 6: 我觉得这个带来的感受是非常棒的
Speaker 6: 至于说有没有有一些hate的情绪
Speaker 6: 哦我觉得还是
Speaker 6: 因人而异吧得跟咱what's
Speaker 6: the personality
Speaker 6: person that is using
Speaker 6: those tools
Speaker 6: 就是工具本身它还是没有任何的一个偏向性的
Speaker 6: 还是有它背后所使用它的人的一些性格甚至修养来决定的
Speaker 6: 呃有些人就喜欢在上面散布一些负能量
Speaker 6: 有些人会散布正能量
Speaker 6: 我觉得没有一个定论吧
Speaker 6: 嗯anyway我
Speaker 6: 我还是比较支持就是social media can like make us closer
Speaker 5: 嗯
Speaker 5: 对
Speaker 5: um like you said uh social media是一个非常棒的tool能够
Speaker 5: 能够让我们彼此close to each other
Speaker 5: um
Speaker 5: 当然你也提到了这个social media上存在一些
Speaker 5: 呃负能量
Speaker 5: 哦这一点的话我又想补充比如说
Speaker 5: ah social media
Speaker 5: 呃最常出现的一种情况就是
Speaker 5: 很嗯非常多的rumors
Speaker 5: 嗯有很多谣言
Speaker 5: 从social media上散布开来然后大家开始um
Speaker 5: like crazy呀还有就是疯狂的
Speaker 5: 呃转载那些内容然后
Speaker 5: 其实背后的话可能也是存在一些嗯
Speaker 5: hate所以
Speaker 5: 才会去相信这些谣言
Speaker 5: 呃进而进而宣泄自己的一些
Speaker 5: 呃情绪
Speaker 5: 嗯
Speaker 5: 呃当然我认为这个是regular regulation的问题是这个social media
Speaker 5: 呃缺乏
Speaker 5: 管理嗯缺乏一个管制的手段
Speaker 5: um so um
Speaker 5: so i don't i don't think that's um
Speaker 5: social media has a
Speaker 5: 嗯
Speaker 5: 就是社交网络可能
Speaker 5: 并不是一个啊
Speaker 5: 它实际上还是一个非常
Speaker 5: 呃beneficial的一个tool
Speaker 5: 嗯关键要看大家怎么用它以及um
Speaker 5: the regular um
Speaker 5: 就是这个社交网络的
Speaker 5: 管理者是怎么管理这个网络的
Speaker 6: 嗯我同意我觉得很多事情都是有一套规则的社交网络它是一个工具
Speaker 6: 但是嗯
Speaker 6: 他也有可能就是说被背后的一些人性做嗯
Speaker 6: 就是带歪了所以他任何时候我们是需要一些规则的
Speaker 6: 或者说法律因为他们本身没有道德所以他可能需要一些法律法规来规范一些东西
Speaker 6: 人是可以有道德的也可以有法律的是互补的但是对这些工具而言我可能还是需要一些
Speaker 6: 呃规定好的一些提前预定好pre define的一些
Speaker 6: regulation or laws to
Speaker 6: um restrict
Speaker 6: 呃the use
Speaker 6: of the tools
Speaker 8: um do you think you should study your [UNK] for a master degree like um studying now
Speaker 8: um i really [UNK] it because
Speaker 8: i think um oversea degree is very important for for starting um for
Speaker 8: 就是找工作会比较好
Speaker 8: and also it has the advantage of shorter time to finish the [UNK] study career
Speaker 8: 呃然后我选择香港是因为我之前的大学离家太远了然后我现在想离家近一点
Speaker 8: um also I think
Speaker 8: it's a very valuable experience for me because
Speaker 8: 呃虽然我是在粤语区长大的但是呃香港还是有一种different
Speaker 8: different environment
Speaker 8: from the mainland
Speaker 8: 嗯
Speaker 8: what is your plan for future
Speaker 8: 嗯why uh
Speaker 8: i also will
Speaker 8: go back
Speaker 8: to guangzhou and
Speaker 8: 就找工作就先从summer internship
Speaker 8: 上面找起然后在秋招然后再找一份
Speaker 8: 比较满意的工作吧
Speaker 8: 希望可以找得到
Speaker 8: 嗯
Speaker 8: oh can you introduce
Speaker 8: your experience in your university
Speaker 8: um I finish in Shandong University
Speaker 8: 呃山东是一个对我来说已经算是很北的一个地方了
Speaker 8: um I first um um就是不能适应它的climate之类的就
Speaker 8: I think I cultivate my independence in my undergraduate study because
Speaker 8: 呃那在那你真的是无依无靠的感觉一开始过去然后我的国语还没有这么的标准
Speaker 8: 就会被同学们在开玩笑之类的都
Speaker 8: um I remember I was sick and the first time when I um就是在我参加军训的时候我就已经水土不服病得很厉害
Speaker 8: 然后呃actually my parents is in Shandong province travelling then but
Speaker 8: they decide to they decided that leave me alone and let me to um face the difficulties myself so um
Speaker 8: 就是他们有想过回来济南带我去看病但是最终他们还是决定让我自己一个人去
Speaker 8: 独立去面对这件事情所以我也开始哈一个人去看病一个人什么呃it's
Speaker 8: it's very fresh to me and I think
Speaker 8: 嗯就是克服了之后会觉得自己真的有在成长
Speaker 8: 嗯你提到北语很小嗯但是山大挺大的
Speaker 8: it has eight campuses in Shandong province and six in济南 um one in威海one in Qingdao so it's very large but
Speaker 8: 嗯我觉得他虽然很大但是很老
Speaker 8: actually um it's has a long history
Speaker 8: but I think maybe you can嗯就装修一下就更好了我觉得太老了确实是
Speaker 8: 嗯我觉得你说比如说你你是来自于广东然后你去山东学习其实我虽然这个但我觉得也有点类似于那种oversea study
Speaker 8: 因为你也是去一个很远的地方但是肯定
Speaker 8: 但是肯定环环境的话环境确实和嗯
Speaker 8: 和跟国外比起来那肯定好融入得多了嗯所以我有一个问题就是
Speaker 8: do you think it's better to um study overseas as early as possible
Speaker 8: um
Speaker 8: um actually I think
Speaker 8: it depends on your language level
Speaker 8: 就是如果你的语言水平ok了