Speaker 9: 就是他们他他的那个advisor不让他去实习啊或者是这样子他的research progress很慢啊
Speaker 9: 这样子然后包括呃组里面的一些呃一些
Speaker 9: 互相的一些就是
Speaker 10: 小事很多小事吧
Speaker 10: 但是因为我们组的话有因为很多外国学生他们他们成长的那个environment不一样他们知道how to argue然后会会然后我们老板也是也是很international所以
Speaker 10: 他在这方面会对我们控制control少一些
Speaker 9: 对然后我们组的话还会经常go out for pick for for someactivities
Speaker 9: like看电影啊enjoys啊marvel啊我们看很多很多电影然后我们就经常play game together
Speaker 9: 嗯上次我们去呃呃打枪啊这些很interesting
Speaker 9: 对我们留下很多的好的照片
Speaker 10: very interesting so uh i heared that your supervisor is a woman
Speaker 9: 嗯
Speaker 10: yeah i i think it's so nice because it's a
Speaker 10: i think woman may may not be that push
Speaker 10: yeah
Speaker 10: maybe maybe
Speaker 10: yeah
Speaker 9: so in our group but i think like this this is um sexism因为
Speaker 10: 你的印象里面就是说woman会比较不push
Speaker 10: yeah
Speaker 9: 但是shecome to our group [UNK]
Speaker 10: not exactly
Speaker 10: you'll see you'll you你可以自己感受
Speaker 10: if you come to our group yeah
Speaker 10: 之前我之前是想读phd来着
Speaker 10: 然后后来就感觉
Speaker 10: 就是因为人文社科phd吗
Speaker 10: 就是我之前本来本科是读的国际政治
Speaker 10: 因为我感觉就是做研究肯定要数量方面的这种东西统计学啊
Speaker 10: 或者说编程都要会
Speaker 10: 但是我感觉这方面是
Speaker 10: 差距还是很大
Speaker 10: 所以说觉得跟科研就是无缘了
Speaker 10: 所以说就转而去找工作了
Speaker 10: 对但是我其实感觉
Speaker 10: phd的话就是你以后是想去
Speaker 10: 任教啊还是说继续做研究
Speaker 10: 对或者找工作
Speaker 10: 我觉得这个不矛盾吧就是
Speaker 9: 在我们的
Speaker 10: 我们的领域我现在是做 [UNK] processing的我们的research和job其实没有那么大的区别就是
Speaker 10: 我我也可以去公司里面做工作我觉得我可能将来还是会更做一些research相关的工作
Speaker 10: 呃因为我是接触到像这些这样的圈里嘛所以我在这方面的会更加的有advantage一些
Speaker 9: 然后我去学校可能也会去也是
Speaker 9: 一个option
Speaker 10: 呃但是取决于那时候因为
Speaker 9: 嗯我还是蛮想回呃大陆的所以
Speaker 10: 如果我回大陆的话
Speaker 10: 我因为大陆的faculty position是depend on government
Speaker 10: 就是取决于他们到底有没有扩大了
Speaker 10: 有
Speaker 10: 对
Speaker 9: 所以要看当时候有没有扩大open出来然后要看
Speaker 9: 看那个那个
Speaker 9: competition怎么样所以
Speaker 9: 呃如果可以去呃
Speaker 9: 学校的话我觉得还是
Speaker 9: 非常好的一件事情因为
Speaker 9: you can do what whatever you want in university
Speaker 10: 你也可以
Speaker 9: 因为教授现在呃大家呃才刚在鼓励这些呃
Speaker 10: 教授们去做一些start but包括我看来很多教授他们都
Speaker 10: 他们都有一些business的东西然后
Speaker 9: 呃有就是它不如
Speaker 10: 妨碍你去做你what you want to do so
Speaker 9: 所以我觉得是一个非常好
Speaker 9: 好的一个独立性
Speaker 10: 好的我进去如果有机会的话
Speaker 9: 但是现在呃
Speaker 10: 但呃但是在学校有一个不好的地方就是
Speaker 9: 在我们area里面的话我们的research area的话那data很重要
Speaker 10: 然后如果你去
Speaker 9: 呃公司的话像b a t啊这些大的公司里的话
Speaker 10: 你会有更多机会去嗯你
Speaker 9: 嗯呃去呃拿到big data
Speaker 10: 这和对应的research output会很有帮助
Speaker 10: 然后包括他们在公司的话founding
Speaker 9: 什么founding会比较
Speaker 10: 不是一个problem
Speaker 10: 嗯哼
Speaker 9: 对所以你不你不你不需要care about这些
Speaker 9: 这些比较
Speaker 9: 小的事情
Speaker 10: 嗯哼
Speaker 10: 对
Speaker 10: 呃 and I heard that
Speaker 10: 呃 two days later 五月九号
Speaker 10: 好像有很多大陆的学校来这边
Speaker 10: 就是有个宣讲会
Speaker 10: 你有没有听说
Speaker 10: 哦我还没有考虑这件事因为
Speaker 10: 我现在的
Speaker 9: 主要的呃精力还是放在呃publish paper这件事上
Speaker 9: 因为呃
Speaker 9: 在我们这个领域的话就如果你去conference的话你会meet到很多的hr啊包括
Speaker 9: 那些公司包括主要是看你the people you know if you know them
Speaker 10: 你给你你把你的cv给他们然后他们
Speaker 9: 你知道你的话就不用go through这些process了
Speaker 9: 你可以其实
Speaker 9: in fact
Speaker 9: 就是说
Speaker 9: 呃那些和你很匹配的那些公司
Speaker 9: 其实就那么几家几家就就 [UNK] 而已
Speaker 9: 呃其实我
Speaker 9: 只要know people inside then你把你的简历给他们可能很快你们就match each other然后就可以
Speaker 10: 对
Speaker 10: 对
Speaker 9: 所以我觉得
Speaker 10: 呃当然这是一个给学生在university的一个机构opportunity啦
Speaker 9: 但也是可以尝试但我现在我觉得在我看来
Speaker 9: 呃由于 [UNK] 的比那些去参加
Speaker 10: 呃呃那些宣传会的话更重要些
Speaker 10: 因为
Speaker 9: graduate [UNK] 然后有phd的degree的话很多问题就没那么呃复杂
Speaker 10: 打铁还需自身硬
Speaker 10: 对对对对有点这种感觉
Speaker 10: that's true yeah
Speaker 10: so uh will you graduate on time
Speaker 10: 因为我听说就是好多延期毕业了
Speaker 10: depends on你的definition of [UNK] of on time
Speaker 9: 就是说
Speaker 10: 呃in在HongKong这个地方的话就是呃official the statement是说four years但是很多地方
Speaker 10: 包括很多美国大家都是基本上是five years毕业嘛
Speaker 10: 嗯
Speaker 10: 嗯对所以如果你认为five years是正常的话
Speaker 10: 呃还是我希望还是能五年正常毕业
Speaker 9: 但是如果你认为四年那么四年的话我觉得四年有点太有点太快了
Speaker 10: 因为我是一个bachelor进来的然后我的background是说是electronic engineering就还有很就有很多的这个
Speaker 10: new things to learn在我当我当我开始的时候
Speaker 10: 所以我就我当时给我大概定的objective就说五年之内能够graduate
Speaker 9: 所以
Speaker 9: 我希望能够达到自己目标对现在对啊
Speaker 10: 可以
Speaker 10: 但是在u s t的话我觉得
Speaker 10: 五年毕业还是蛮normal一件事情因为很少
Speaker 10: very few people can graduate in four years
Speaker 10: Mhm
Speaker 9: 然后甚至很多
Speaker 10: 像我们这个领域或者csc department他们都会quit in
Speaker 10: in middle所以
Speaker 10: 嗯所以就是说五年毕业是一能毕业是一件很很normal一件事情对
Speaker 10: quit in model的话in middle的话还挺亏的我感觉
Speaker 10: 读了两年之后就不读了
Speaker 10: 嗯但是你可以拿到一个after degree啊
Speaker 10: 哦
Speaker 10: 对
Speaker 10: 不是说你without any degree就是你有你还是有一个
Speaker 9: degree拿到了
Speaker 10: 哦那还行
Speaker 10: 嗯
Speaker 10: 对
Speaker 10: 对其实其实主要是在PHD期间那些
Speaker 10: 嗯stressful的那个mental stressful因为你做research的时候
Speaker 10: 就我之前在知乎上看到一个帖子就说
Speaker 10: 嗯how do you compare PHD and a job and [UNK] work how do you work what after working
Speaker 9: and他的回答是说
Speaker 10: 呃非常非常的relax
Speaker 10: compare to PHD因为PHD的时候你会一直想一个问题
Speaker 10: from day to night every day know even though可能是说是今天是weekend你可以去cheer up啊a bit
Speaker 10: 但是其实你的脑子里面一直是有一个问题的
Speaker 10: 然后那个问题是没有没有answer的你还你还要 [UNK] found find the answer yourself
Speaker 10: 然后这是非常的mentally stressful你不因为你不知道是什么因为有很多 [UNK] uncertainty在里面
Speaker 9: 但是job的话就不一样就是你很明确你知道
Speaker 9: 你的task是什么
Speaker 9: 然后你要达到什么样的performance
Speaker 10: 然后可能很多人都已经做出相关的performance了然后你又很
Speaker 10: 对然后这个任务非常明确然后当你完成finish这个 [UNK] task以后
Speaker 10: 你就可以enjoy your life了对
Speaker 10: yeah
Speaker 10: 对
Speaker 10: 就感觉就是很多人说这个
Speaker 10: 工作就stressful嘛
Speaker 10: 嗯
Speaker 10: 但是我觉得真的没有读phd啊累
Speaker 10: 读PHD就是真的是
Speaker 10: 毕一个是毕业的压力还有一个就是自己想发论文的话也是有压力
Speaker 10: 对
Speaker 10: 但是嗯如果能够支持下来的话主要还是你对research的interest
Speaker 10: 如果你interest这个idea的话你可能
Speaker 10: 就是虽然中间会in the middle会会觉得很stressful但是当你有output当你有有discovery的时候当你去
Speaker 10: go [UNK] 的时候当你去share with people的时候你会觉得
Speaker 9: you have value
Speaker 10: 对
Speaker 10: 就是你会觉得自己很有成就感
Speaker 10: 然后你会talk to different people然后
Speaker 9: 然后发发现呃一些
Speaker 9: 呃人和你share有有相相关的这相似的这个background和这个interest你会你们会与就是就有点像是找到知音这种感觉非常的投契
Speaker 10: 尤其是当你去 [UNK] 的时候你会很深切感受到这些然后去做presentation的时候去和别人做 [UNK] 呃communication的时候
Speaker 10: 嗯就会
Speaker 10: 非常非常的interesting所以
Speaker 10: 嗯你会发现all the things you have done is worthwhile
Speaker 10: deserve it so就这种感觉但是
Speaker 10: happiness
Speaker 10: 对
Speaker 9: 但是在那个点在那个point之前会非常非常的tough
Speaker 10: 嗯
Speaker 9: 对这就是一个当然当然也和你周围的
Speaker 9: 环境有关系就是比如说
Speaker 9: 呃如果你有很多senior的呃的一些colleague的话 [UNK] 他们可以帮助你
Speaker 10: 在很多很多方面包括在experiment方面在 [UNK] paper方面在idea方面都会给你帮助如果你有很多很多help的话你会会帮助你解决
Speaker 10: 会帮助你
Speaker 10: 在尤其是在精神上面的话会帮你解决很多很多的问题不然的话如果你是一个人在
Speaker 10: 如果只是一个人在瞎琢磨的话很容易
Speaker 10: 就是陷入到比较一个low的一个一个status里面然后这种这种情绪这种emotion会
Speaker 10: hurt your performance也会让你想 [UNK]
Speaker 10: 所以这周围的整个 [UNK] 包括整个back环境environment还是蛮重要的一件事情
Speaker 10: 对
Speaker 10: ok
Speaker 10: ok rest of the [UNK] about that
Speaker 10: and now you can discuss
Speaker 11: 这个term的话其实我的
Speaker 11: assessment呀然后和那个midterm不是特别的多其实我们平时像我们商院嘛
Speaker 11: 然后business school的话大部分都是做good work
Speaker 11: 然后就会有一些不同的什么
Speaker 11: 让你做个proposal呀然后让你做个presentation呀大部都这样的然后
Speaker 11: 嗯我们其实我觉得就是来u s t有一个好处就是我发现它很多exam都是open book
Speaker 11: 你们我不知道你们是不是open book
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 但我以前其实我觉得我本科就是
Speaker 11: 就感觉一对比这边可能是那边学期比较短吧然后就你你会被那个塞很多很多东西
Speaker 11: 我们以前的话就比较水就是我们的notes啊基本是都cover everything
Speaker 11: 然后
Speaker 11: 对对对
Speaker 11: 嗯对
Speaker 11: 就感觉还这边的话像我们商院的话是一个semester会那个break into两个terms
Speaker 11: 然后呢它就就比如说我们当时是九月啊八月底上第一个term
Speaker 11: 然后呢
Speaker 11: 十二月
Speaker 11: 截止
Speaker 11: 第二个term吧就会等于说是每一个semester会比你们稍长一点点
Speaker 11: 所以我现在其实是个midterm然后我早上刚考完了一个midterm quiz
Speaker 11: 对然后就感觉这边会我们一个课上seven weeks
Speaker 11: 然后eight weeks是第第八周是用来考试就感觉非常的intense
Speaker 11: 然后什么东西都会就挤在一起
Speaker 11: 然后以前可以水一个semester的东西就是你知道现在赶紧要读书读书然后要做project然后discuss然后就
Speaker 11: 然后在在图书馆什么的就还感觉这边还比我们之前要稍微紧张一些对对对
Speaker 11: 我感觉
Speaker 11: 商院这边就是太多group work了然后我已经很久没有写paper了真的嗯
Speaker 11: 我觉得大部分的那种group activity其实因为它很就是emphasize你的这个communication skill然后或者是说你的这个team work你怎么样去去去manage一个team或者是作为team member是怎么弄的
Speaker 11: 其实我们现在大部分做的东西其实跟我就是在面试的时候interview的时候有很多相似的地方因为interview的时候他很很经常像我们面consulting经常会抛给你一个case
Speaker 11: 然后让你在比如说一个多小时内跟你的team member然后discuss然后去给他come up with a proposal或者是一个做一个presentation所以说我觉得平时练这个练比较多其实也是去
Speaker 11: 就是模拟一个真正的一个business environment吧所以我觉得大部分它只是设计成这样一个group work其实也是比较好的我觉得还有另外一个方面来讲就是如果要是
Speaker 11: 我感觉business school的人太多了你太多individual paper的话可能老师也看不过来然后他就会给你弄成groups像我们最搞笑的就是在那个annual时候有那种
Speaker 11: 毕设嘛就是你们叫final我们叫final year project然后你们叫毕设然后呢像我们像你们这种理工科专业大部分还是一个人一个paper然后像我们的话就是
Speaker 11: 对四个人做一个project什么的我觉得一人一个paper我们那得好几百个人上千人的老师肯定看不过来对
Speaker 11: 那你觉得你现在的就是这个
Speaker 11: 呃
Speaker 11: work会不会非常的怎么着呢就是非常的
Speaker 11: 多对
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 什么是 [UNK]
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 嗯但我觉得也也挺厉害的
Speaker 11: 就感觉你说这种report就是你们这种写的这种report特别像就是我我一般就是
Speaker 11: 呃之所以搜一些他那种
Speaker 11: 就是行研就是行业报告啊什么的然后对
Speaker 11: 就感觉我一我一直都写能能写出这种report的人真的是神奇你知道就是写
Speaker 11: 嗯就是感觉很多个方面就是你要懂很多我感觉或者你要查很多
Speaker 11: 嗯就很挺厉害的
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 要么看一下其他的能不能
Speaker 11: 有聊的
Speaker 11: 呃so far你觉得就是
Speaker 11: compare mainland
Speaker 11: 啊就是本科和那个香港的那个post graduate会不会有什么不一样的感觉
Speaker 11: 我也记得我就是我最最开始的时候
Speaker 11: 然后我觉得自己英文也你就是
Speaker 11: 英文你就是读太多了的时候就感觉就是
Speaker 11: 不能有中文读的那么那么get information get那么多
Speaker 11: 然后我有的时候经常会像之前又处理很多那个新闻的那种source的话我就右键
Speaker 11: google translate然后直接就是中文看一个大概意思差不多得了
Speaker 11: 我就记得当时我高中的时候是上上英文课我们老师还是我觉得还是比较注重英文口语练习的就等于说
Speaker 11: 我初中的时候就完全是那种老师就只讲grammar然后呢只讲一些那种就是就是
Speaker 11: 怎么说呢就是exam based或者是那种的知识点然后上高中老师会稍微好一点会经常给我们有一些oral speech啊什么的那些去练习但是我当时觉得就是呃本科第一年来香港的时候
Speaker 11: 也会觉得非常的吃力就i still remember the first two weeks就是完全
Speaker 11: 几乎听不懂嘛就是那种就是那种他语速非常快然后呢你就说不像那个你那个像那种看movie有subtitle的时候那种感觉然后我当时就是就是
Speaker 11: 完全第一二一二个星期就懵逼了坐在那里然后就看那个notes然后就直接只能看他那个power point去看他现在在讲什么那种感觉就是
Speaker 11: 就是一一二周之后就好了好很多然后渐渐的就就稍微适应一点了后来呢我也是我觉得学粤语的时候我也是这个感觉就是我当时还特意去上了一个cantonese class然后呢那个cantonese的那个那个老师就一上来给我们全部讲cantonese
Speaker 11: 然后呢他就是还教我们一些歌啊然后教我们的一些grammar教我们一些那个就pronunciation上面的方方面的东西但我当时就是完全听不懂他讲什么然后就一脸懵逼坐在下面然后只能看他的notes
Speaker 11: 然后就跟着他念那些东西然后
Speaker 11: 他如果不给我字的话我是完全听不懂讲什么的然后最后就只能是
Speaker 11: 他就是手把手地跟我讲啊这个是这个这个是这个然后我才能听懂
Speaker 11: 我觉得最崩溃的是有一次我们会有一些course是可以不计credit不计grades的然后呢就可以去选那种free elective呀那种course
Speaker 11: 然后我当时想学韩语完了以后呢我就选了一门课结果
Speaker 11: 我发现它不是普通话教的是cantonese教的就等于说是韩语跟粤语我两门都没听懂我这还幻想着我说好嘛我这一下可以学两门languages然后结果
Speaker 11: 就是一门也没学好就是哎所以我觉得我自己的语言这方面就不是的非常好
Speaker 11: 就不是非常的擅长对
Speaker 11: 谢谢
Speaker 11: 嗯对之前有一个巨搞笑的就是呃我们组有一个那个international然后那个international就是相对于我们肯定他的那个英文更更好一点嘛
Speaker 11: 然后大家就说那个who want who want do the presentation然后大家都齐刷刷看到他说oh this kind of discrimination
Speaker 11: 对然后我就对所以说其实我感觉除了那种 [UNK] seldom就是多presentation其实很多人就seldom speak up in class
Speaker 13: so what do you think呃should we ban homework do you think
Speaker 13: homework itself being to miss in the course or it is just a burden
Speaker 14: 呃i don't think we should ban homework
Speaker 14: maybe嗯
Speaker 14: maybe is就是可以选择做不做
Speaker 14: if i have already have a good understanding of the course i can choose i don't do it
Speaker 14: or just as a reference
Speaker 14: but if i
Speaker 14: 就是我理解的不太好homework可以帮我
Speaker 14: 加深一下理解
Speaker 13: 嗯哎 [UNK] 因为我们有一个教授就是he just啊ask us to do the homework but他不会收上去批
Speaker 13: you can just do it
Speaker 13: 嗯你就自愿做就好了然后
Speaker 14: no points
Speaker 13: yeah no points on that but you can do it or not
Speaker 13: but decides on yourself
Speaker 14: yeah that's cool ah we we have a preferred professor
Speaker 14: do that too exercise
Speaker 14: but we but it's just exercise we do have homework
Speaker 14: 嗯
Speaker 14: should we study overseas for master of
Speaker 14: phd
Speaker 14: what is your
Speaker 13: maybe just the first month
Speaker 13: i think it depends on on
Speaker 13: 这是个人每个人都不一样
Speaker 14: 嗯
Speaker 13: it depends and because someone wants to have overseas experience because
Speaker 13: 他更喜欢那种西方的教学氛围because is like more freedom
Speaker 13: 嗯就是更自由一点然后
Speaker 13: 更加就是pro active就会有更加积极的参与感觉但是
Speaker 13: 大陆的education
Speaker 13: environment just like more
Speaker 13: 扎实一点
Speaker 14: 嗯
Speaker 13: 就是呃
Speaker 14: 就是还有那些基就是基础课都要再学一遍
Speaker 13: yeah yeah yeah
Speaker 13: in some有一些
Speaker 13: 思政课课程
Speaker 14: 哦对对对
Speaker 14: 最近好像特别多
Speaker 13: 每次都
Speaker 13: also depends on the major就是有的专业是国内的好一点有的专业是oversea的好一点
Speaker 13: 所以我觉也可能每个人觉都不一样
Speaker 14: 对嗯also呃you feel more comfortable呃对research in English or in Chinese
Speaker 13: 嗯哼
Speaker 13: depends on the语言能力
Speaker 14: 对对对
Speaker 14: what is your plan for future i think we talk about it
Speaker 13: 万一future in plan it's to find a job
Speaker 14: yeah
Speaker 13: 然后
Speaker 14: 混吃等死
Speaker 14: so do you prefer do you prefer呃呃轻松一点的工作还是那种
Speaker 14: 就是他现在互联网公司都是那种工作很
Speaker 13: nine nine six
Speaker 14: nine nine six
Speaker 13: 嗯depends on what kind of job
Speaker 13: i think if it's something like like product
Speaker 13: manager就是产品这样的工作如果我做一个我喜欢的产品的话i defect work more but
Speaker 13: i'd rather do it voluntarily
Speaker 13: 其实我只是我希望它是一个
Speaker 13: 自由的制度就是它不是以强制我们一定要呆到九点但是我可以
Speaker 13: voluntary就是自愿留下来
Speaker 14: do you know that嗯华为
Speaker 14: i'll said the嗯the hr in 华为say that all our staff work
Speaker 14: voluntary till night um till ten pm
Speaker 13: it's not convincing in the hr says that
Speaker 13: yeah
Speaker 14: and呃so i doubt it so i asked my friends who work in华为
Speaker 14: 嗯哼
Speaker 14: 嗯and they said
Speaker 14: yes we want to stay
Speaker 14: we want to stay we we want to work
Speaker 14: uh more
Speaker 13: maybe the
Speaker 13: the company just recruit people like that and take it down like
Speaker 14: and thisthis kind of
Speaker 14: atmosphere
Speaker 13: yeah and i think the
Speaker 13: 就是有一些
Speaker 13: 就职训练肯定会有一些这方面的brain washing的东西就是而且如果它的那个
Speaker 13: 业务
Speaker 13: 就是基底就是业务那个叫什么
Speaker 13: 很高要求很高的话它会有很高的那个年终评
Speaker 13: 评估的一些
Speaker 13: 要求的话嗯
Speaker 13: then they are forced to do so they are not so voluntarily
Speaker 14: yeah yeah
Speaker 14: it is important is it important to have higher degree
Speaker 13: it also depend
Speaker 14: dependon people
Speaker 13: yeah because
Speaker 13: because i think higher degree is really
Speaker 13: great because in the uh
Speaker 13: maybe master of philosophy or phd you can
Speaker 13: just research on something you really like就是可以做一些深入的研究
Speaker 13: 然后你可以真的去做一个科研的东西可以
Speaker 13: makes difference to some
Speaker 13: to some likestudy
Speaker 14: yeah
Speaker 13: but
Speaker 13: you are not capable of doing so就是你如果没有那个
Speaker 13: 专业能力或者是没有这方面智商的话我觉得这是一件很
Speaker 13: 就是很苦的事情如果你不喜欢这件事情
Speaker 14: 对
Speaker 13: 就是没有这个必要
Speaker 14: 嗯
Speaker 14: i agree with you
Speaker 13: can you introduce your experience in your undergraduate study
Speaker 13: [UNK] ormaybe this university
Speaker 14: yeah
Speaker 14: my experience
Speaker 14: 嗯
Speaker 13: 学习啊或者
Speaker 13: 生活啊
Speaker 14: 嗯
Speaker 14: 呃in my undergraduate the courses嗯安排得很满
Speaker 14: 嗯
Speaker 14: and there are many experiment
Speaker 14: 呃so for the first two years I feel very痛苦
Speaker 13: It is better here
Speaker 14: uh it's hard to say
Speaker 14: uh I think
Speaker 14: H K S T is more free is not mandatory you
Speaker 14: you have to do this
Speaker 14: 嗯everyone have to gather together to do this experiment you can't do it
Speaker 14: alone and arrange your time alone
Speaker 14: I think
Speaker 14: it's better than like this
Speaker 14: 但是
Speaker 14: 但是在这儿的作业量并没有减小
Speaker 13: you have a lot of coding too
Speaker 14: 嗯not a lot but
Speaker 14: yes there's coding
Speaker 14: yeah
Speaker 13: like which language
Speaker 14: let me see we use the
Speaker 14: 呃java
Speaker 14: 呃matlab
Speaker 14: for recognition system
Speaker 14: and also java script and html
Speaker 14: for the computer graphics
Speaker 14: 嗯also
Speaker 14: in artificial intelligence I choose this course last year
Speaker 13: 你用什么TensorFlow
Speaker 14: 嗯TensorFlow yeah
Speaker 14: TensorFlow
Speaker 14: 这学期我喜欢那个machine learning有
Speaker 14: 前天刚做一个project就是
Speaker 14: 呃machine learning project然后
Speaker 14: 就用的那个
Speaker 14: 呃python
Speaker 13: what's subject
Speaker 13: 就是你们什么语音还是图片
Speaker 14: 没有我们选的那个project其实还蛮简单的就是在cargo上面
Speaker 14: 随便选一个那个
Speaker 14: 呃machine learning for disaster
Speaker 14: predicted
Speaker 14: who is going to survive
Speaker 14: it on titanic
Speaker 13: 啊
Speaker 13: pretty cool
Speaker 14: 但这个课实在是太坑了
Speaker 14: 它它有四个assignment
Speaker 14: 然后还有一个project然后final还占百分之六十
Speaker 13: [UNK] taking the paper exam to
Speaker 13: yeah paper exam
Speaker 14: but it highly recommended by my roommate
Speaker 14: who is from big data
Speaker 14: they they have this course last semester
Speaker 14: she said the professor is very nice
Speaker 14: very generous about the score so I choose it
Speaker 14: 嗯
Speaker 13: do you think students should have a part time job
Speaker 14: um I think it's depend also depend on the student
Speaker 14: if you can manage your time well and
Speaker 14: 呃就是
Speaker 14: 你可以兼顾好你学习和工作之间的这个关系
Speaker 14: for example my roommate she had a project part time job in subway last semester
Speaker 14: and
Speaker 14: 嗯他们课程就是
Speaker 14: 特别
Speaker 14: 就是强度特别大然后要做的coding的工作也特别多然后
Speaker 14: 他就
Speaker 14: 每天几乎都没有睡觉时间然后那天就在subway工作的时候
Speaker 14: 晕过去了
Speaker 14: 当场就晕过去我就觉得
Speaker 14: 嗯
Speaker 13: [UNK] in the school
Speaker 14: yeah in school
Speaker 14: she's she's Indian
Speaker 14: 嗯she she slept four hours every day
Speaker 14: that's
Speaker 14: yeah
Speaker 13: why why is she so hard working
Speaker 14: I don't know she's
Speaker 14: you know Indian they're
Speaker 14: very
Speaker 14: 就是在各方面他们都
Speaker 14: 特别努力
Speaker 14: 对做做project也是就是
Speaker 14: 特别认真
Speaker 14: 然后做什么都特别认真所以
Speaker 13: yeah yeah I found that they are really
Speaker 13: 嗯
Speaker 13: hard working
Speaker 14: yeah hard workingself motivated
Speaker 14: sometimes I even think that if I am not employ
Speaker 14: employer
Speaker 14: I would hire Indian
Speaker 15: kay so the question a choose is
Speaker 15: should school be an option
Speaker 15: 我觉得
Speaker 15: 学校should be an option
Speaker 15: 因为不是
Speaker 15: 我觉得那个小学
Speaker 15: 每个人一定要上但是
Speaker 15: 从
Speaker 15: 中学开始应该要
Speaker 15: be option
Speaker 15: 因为我觉得
Speaker 15: 从中学开始
Speaker 15: 同学们会大概知道what they want to do in the future
Speaker 15: or at least
Speaker 15: have stuff that their passionate about
Speaker 15: then i feel like
Speaker 15: 学校会limit their passion like
Speaker 15: 因为在学校呢我们上科学呀
Speaker 15: 我们上数学英语语文那些但是我觉得不是每个人喜欢上那些然后
Speaker 15: 毕业以后
Speaker 15: 大学毕业以后也不是每个人需要那些knowledge来
Speaker 15: 做工作
Speaker 15: 对
Speaker 15: 其实我也不太清楚但是如果我要选的话
Speaker 15: school should be an option
Speaker 16: 嗯那那那我就重新反对吧
Speaker 15: 好吧
Speaker 16: 啊
Speaker 16: 嗯
Speaker 16: actual
Speaker 16: actually我
Speaker 16: 我觉得我partly是agree with you的就是
Speaker 16: 呃我觉得从可能高中开始
Speaker 16: 呃这个时候大家基本上是十六岁以上
Speaker 16: 呃in some country
Speaker 16: 十六岁已经是成年人了对吧
Speaker 16: 就就就他们有自己的主主观或者说自己做决定的能力了
Speaker 16: 在这个时候我觉得是一个比较合适的说
Speaker 16: 呃他知道自己想要做什么但是在此之前我觉得
Speaker 16: 初中和小学这个时间
Speaker 16: 呃还是最好把学生放在学校里被管制比较好
Speaker 16: 呃
Speaker 16: 一方面是因为
Speaker 16: 其实家长都有很多都都在上班嘛那这个时间
Speaker 16: if their children are not at school
Speaker 16: 没有人会管他们他们会在家里可能做一些奇奇怪怪的事情
Speaker 16: 就就会比较麻烦
Speaker 16: 呃就一方面是把他们都聚集在一起
Speaker 16: 至少不会出什么太大的乱子
Speaker 16: 那至于他们是学了知识也好
Speaker 16: 还是跟同学们交流或者有兴趣的人在一起拉帮结派
Speaker 16: i think it's all fine
Speaker 16: 但我觉得就是最好还是把他们管起来在可能初中及以前
Speaker 16: 所以我觉得
Speaker 16: 呃如果是
Speaker 16: 对对我的我觉得我们的all difference是在初中这个阶段嘛我觉得其实这段时间虽然
Speaker 16: 只有三年但是
Speaker 16: 呃它还是涉及到叛逆的这个问题
Speaker 16: 对啊i think it will be better if
Speaker 16: they are put in the
Speaker 16: school
Speaker 16: 对但是
Speaker 16: 嗯其实我在我我我我小时候一直在想一个问题就是
Speaker 16: 就是极是不是有一些人他反正也不需要这么多知识
Speaker 16: 然后可以让他们
Speaker 16: 直接开始学一门手艺
Speaker 16: 对吧然后他们将来也可以
Speaker 16: 就是靠这个手赚钱
Speaker 16: 但是我后来
Speaker 16: 我后来想明白了一个点就是
Speaker 16: actually我们不止是在学校学knowledge
Speaker 16: 我们也在train our skill to communicate with each others
Speaker 16: 然后我们也会
Speaker 16: 可能有更多的exposure to different background因为我们如果只跟我们家里人接触
Speaker 16: 或者说跟我们
Speaker 16: 小区里面的人接触
Speaker 16: 的话那可能我们是很局限的就是大家都在类似的阶级阶层或者
Speaker 16: 做着类似的事情
Speaker 16: 但是如果我们在不同的学校啊然后可能我的同学他他爸妈是做
Speaker 16: 服装的
Speaker 16: 可能另外一个同学爸妈是做
Speaker 16: 还有珠宝的
Speaker 16: 对那那可能虽然你爸妈是老师但是你也能很早的接触到说
Speaker 16: 诶其实有不同的人生我觉得呃
Speaker 16: it's kind of great thing
Speaker 15: 对我也同意你like i agree with your opinion but then我觉得
Speaker 15: 很可惜因为
Speaker 15: like after we have born we have we need to go to
Speaker 15: 幼儿园然后小学然后初中然后高中然后大学
Speaker 15: what i feel like the pathway is too
Speaker 15: concrete that it limits our freedom to choose
Speaker 15: that's why i feel like初中should be an option
Speaker 15: because i've i should say by going to school we can interact with people from不同的环境
Speaker 15: 然后
Speaker 15: 我们也可以选怎么沟通with别人and这些的东西但是我觉得如果school become an option那我们也会有其他活动来做这些东西了
Speaker 15: 因为我觉得
Speaker 15: this society just had one way and i felt like that's很可惜对
Speaker 15: 我们或者我们后
Speaker 15: like after generation and our previous generation we just walked them pathway
Speaker 15: and I feel like these limits creativity in some sense
Speaker 16: 啊是的我觉得很同意这件事因为
Speaker 16: 我我们有蛮多的同学还在大学之后就很
Speaker 16: 很lost
Speaker 15: 对对对
Speaker 16: 就他们不知道接下来该干什么因为过去的十几年所有的路都是铺制好的
Speaker 16: need to
Speaker 16: read your books listen to teachers
Speaker 16: and that's all
Speaker 16: 但是
Speaker 16: 但他们进入大学之后就会
Speaker 16: 就不知道自己到底想要干什么
Speaker 16: 然后
Speaker 16: 以以及就是在高考的时候
Speaker 16: 然后你必须要选一个专业来吹
Speaker 16: i don't know
Speaker 16: [UNK] what this major means
Speaker 16: i don't know what what i can do after i graduate
Speaker 16: from this major
Speaker 16: 所以我觉得对你说的其实也挺好就是我们应该
Speaker 16: make it an option but
Speaker 16: find more options
Speaker 15: 对对对
Speaker 16: 那我们找到可能更多的一些
Speaker 16: exposure to different like
Speaker 16: works of life and
Speaker 16: 通过这种方式可能更早的让大家找到自己的目标
Speaker 16: 对对
Speaker 16: 而且是一个
Speaker 16: 做选择了一个非常及时的training其实我现在也有一点这种感觉就是
Speaker 16: i always wanted to find rich job is better is the best
Speaker 16: uh keep
Speaker 16: googling
Speaker 16: 呃
Speaker 16: how much i can learn in each of the jobs
Speaker 16: but
Speaker 16: actually我我有的时候会觉得说
Speaker 16: 我其实不知道我自己到底喜欢哪一个
Speaker 16: 其实我不同的internship我都我都有做过就是private [UNK] 也有啊啊 [UNK] 也有啊
Speaker 16: [UNK] 倒没有啦但是大概我有个印象
Speaker 16: 但是你知道我说我真的喜欢哪一个其实我觉得我丧失了这种
Speaker 16: 感受的能力对我觉得其实嗯你这是你提到一个非常
Speaker 16: 重要的问题我觉得嗯真的是是这样的
Speaker 16: 嗯你你你当时会会不会就是因为你的background是
Speaker 16: 可能不同的国家那你会不会就是说看到不同国家的各种体制
Speaker 16: 当时有没有自己做一些什么调整
Speaker 15: oh
Speaker 15: can you say one more time in englishmaybe
Speaker 16: i mean i mean you uh i mean you born in Korea and grew up in Shen Zhen and you also uh
Speaker 16: [UNK] in hong kong
Speaker 16: so you have exposure to different
Speaker 16: i mean uh the
Speaker 16: the regulation or the
Speaker 16: the schedule of students in different places and you have friends all over these three places
Speaker 16: so have you ever like
Speaker 16: choose part of
Speaker 16: the
Speaker 16: 呃
Speaker 16: 好的一部分from
Speaker 16: made clear and choose other
Speaker 16: 好的一部分from
Speaker 16: made in China
Speaker 16: 然后来organize你自己的一个路路径你有试图这么去搞过
Speaker 15: 我希望
Speaker 15: 我I我希望I did that
Speaker 15: but then I couldn't because when I was in actually at a quite well when I was in深圳本地小学
Speaker 15: 因为我就从小就说普通话然后就是在深圳上本地小学对我来说不是个挑挑战
Speaker 15: 因为我的普通话那时候是跟其他同学一一样的嗯level一样的水平
Speaker 15: 所以那时候还可以但是我的挑战就是
Speaker 15: 来香港以后因为我是在从说普通话的环境suddenly change to English English
Speaker 15: speaking environment
Speaker 15: 然后对我那时候就
Speaker 15: 那时候我很讨厌英语
Speaker 15: 我觉得如果我一直留在中国上小学中学高中的话我现我现在
Speaker 15: 我应该
Speaker 15: maybe I could have done better or like I could become a better person
Speaker 15: because of bad challenge I didn't need to overcome
Speaker 15: 因为我觉得在香港大部分的同学们上课的时候会
Speaker 15: 会举手问问问题呀然后跟老师们一起对话呀那些的但是我就是
Speaker 15: 因因为我小学就在中国中国不是那样的文化嘛
Speaker 15: 所以我来香港
Speaker 15: 也不也不会ask question or
Speaker 15: or talk with teachers because of my childhood experience or my childhood environment
Speaker 15: 对所以我觉得
Speaker 15: 所以我觉得小小学的experience
Speaker 15: 对你以后的experience的影响很大
Speaker 16: 所以你会希望你当时要是在香港读的小学可能换过来中学在深圳又会更好是吗
Speaker 15: 应该吧我不太清楚
Speaker 15: 对
Speaker 16: ok我们换下一问题吧
Speaker 16: 呃
Speaker 15: It was about uniform right
Speaker 16: Is uniform boring it kicks away students' creative
Speaker 16: 呃我觉得是啊而且
Speaker 16: 而且国内诶especially in in Shang hai
Speaker 16: uniforms非常丑非常丑
Speaker 16: 跟
Speaker 16: 跟韩剧里面的uniform完全没法比
Speaker 16: 然后我们就是很多网上的传言说这是老师刻意要把
Speaker 16: 制服做得特别丑然后以以免
Speaker 16: 发生早恋吧哎呦诶不可以make sense
Speaker 16: 就就该早恋的还是会早恋啊然后不早恋大家还是会读书啊这跟你穿的到底好不好看有什么关系
Speaker 16: 但是我觉得你嗯我觉得他把他这个他觉得他当然一方面好的是说
Speaker 16: 可能他让你把心思花在学习上啊这是老师的说法
Speaker 16: I think
Speaker 16: 我觉得
Speaker 16: 把一个人的品味培养出来或者说
Speaker 16: 或者说你要注意自己的appearance我觉得也是很重要的
Speaker 16: 尤其是将来工作或者跟别人交往的时候那我觉得这一点为什么要在
Speaker 16: 学校呢就整个扼杀掉了我觉得
Speaker 16: 不make sense
Speaker 15: 我跟你的想法很不一样
Speaker 15: 诶我觉得
Speaker 15: 如果我现在i think back i feel like uniform was good and like it was efficient
Speaker 15: like
Speaker 15: when i wake up我我起我早上起床以后那我不用花时间来选
Speaker 15: 今天要穿什么呢明天要穿什么啊那样的想法我我直接可以穿我的校服那就简单那
Speaker 15: that time to get ready for school was just five to ten minutes because the clothes was there
Speaker 15: 然后现在高中毕业了来大学我们没有校服
Speaker 15: 那我我现在看我的closet我没有那么多的衣服那怎么办呢我要去买那要花钱也要花时间
Speaker 15: 然后the funny thing is that like we wear clothes to show creativity to show who we are
Speaker 15: the thing is like this influence us too much to the point where我不想穿
Speaker 15: 我不想穿昨天穿的衣服因为如果我穿的话
Speaker 15: people will think that i am poor or people will think that I am a boring person who just wear same type of clothes
Speaker 15: but因为对我觉得校服是boring但是it was more efficient and we could've use a time to something else
Speaker 15: 如果你看steve job的话他每天就穿一样的衣服嘛他说因为这个因为他想利用他选
Speaker 15: 衣服买衣服的时间来做其他东西然后我也是同意的
Speaker 16: 但是我觉得就是每个人可以stick to one [UNK] suit
Speaker 15: Uh
Speaker 16: 但是你可以让每个人用自己不一样的
Speaker 16: 没有必要说所有人就是这样
Speaker 16: 我觉得其实形成一个文化说大家觉得每个人穿的衣服的风格在那儿你不大变不不去变化可以接受我觉得那就可以了为什么所有的人都要穿成一样的你知道吗
Speaker 16: 呃我觉得如果穿成一样很好看也就算了可以
Speaker 16: 我觉得我觉得在在大陆真的太丑了
Speaker 15: 那个我也同意
Speaker 16: 对
Speaker 15: 对对嗯
Speaker 16: 但我觉得其实其实其实其实creativity这件事情嗯有一些我们班上学艺术的人就是
Speaker 16: 呃我们初中初中的时候有一些人他是想想走艺术特长生嘛因为国内有的就是你画画很好呀或者你唱歌跳舞很好也可以进不错的学校
Speaker 16: 然后他们那群人其实也会强行在就是弄一点花样在校服上
Speaker 16: 嗯我觉得我觉得你很难讲说是不是因为它扼杀了creativity但是我觉得它这至少它是一个不鼓励你去拓展这方面
Speaker 16: 能力或者skill的一个行为
Speaker 16: 对我觉得尤其是国内的这个情况就是人特别多然后嗯缺乏就一直都很缺乏这个创新的意识我觉得
Speaker 16: 不见得大家真的没有就是不会但是我觉得就是因为人太多然后你必须要筛选然后导致了你的教育体系教出来的人他很小的时候就把这个能力自己给
Speaker 16: 关掉了对所以我觉得啧如果是一个改变的话让大家自己去做这件事情我觉得可能是一个比较好的创意或者说
Speaker 16: at last show the the the the uh the [UNK]
Speaker 16: you know
Speaker 16: messageto to the students you can do this kind of thing
Speaker 15: 对那那个部分我也同意
Speaker 15: 我觉得校服
Speaker 15: 是ok的但是
Speaker 15: you need to allow people to like make changes or like alter a uniform a bit not make every single one of them the same
Speaker 16: 我觉得我们再换一个
Speaker 15: 再换一个好吧
Speaker 15: 再选一个
Speaker 15: 你来选吧
Speaker 16: 行
Speaker 16: 呃第七个吧
Speaker 15: 第七个
Speaker 15: 嗯
Speaker 15: should children with learning disability be accepted into mainstream schools
Speaker 15: 我说
Speaker 15: 我先说um我觉得
Speaker 15: 对这个问题我的意见是一半一半
Speaker 15: 也有好处也有坏处那好处是什么呢就是我们
Speaker 15: 大学毕业完以后在
Speaker 15: society will encounter不同的地方然后啊不同的人们然后其中也会有
Speaker 15: people with disabilities
Speaker 15: 所以从小时候就可以跟
Speaker 15: 可以
Speaker 15: 练习跟不同的人们一起活一起学习一起玩就是好处对未来来说
Speaker 15: 但是坏处就是
Speaker 15: It will affect your your pays of studying for example you understand class
Speaker 15: with a person who cannot hear what what teacher is saying
Speaker 15: then of course the class will be a lot slower and
Speaker 15: 对
Speaker 15: 嗯你懂我意思了吧
Speaker 15: 我不知道怎么说
Speaker 15: 怎么说一个好
Speaker 16: 我理解
Speaker 16: 你理解就好
Speaker 16: 因为我小学的时候我们班上就真的有这种同学然后
Speaker 16: 其实老师对他的态度就是放弃的状态只是
Speaker 16: 我觉得那个时候可能就是制度也没有特别好
Speaker 16: 然后附近也没有就是这种特殊学校还没有建起来
Speaker 16: 然后我们班上就会有那么两个
Speaker 16: 完全没有在学的人然后你也没有办法怪他因为
Speaker 16: 可能是就是有点问题就也不是听不见也不是说不出但是
Speaker 16: 有一些问题
Speaker 16: 对所以
Speaker 16: 呃
Speaker 16: 嗯这是
Speaker 16: 其实他倒不会影响到我们学习因为老师会直接放弃他们
Speaker 16: 因为因为那个时候老师标准就一定是你们班出了多少特别好的成绩
Speaker 16: 或者说如果要算平均分的话基本上也是默认把这些特殊情况的人给拿掉了
Speaker 16: 所以老师没有这种incentive to
Speaker 16: 帮助他们
Speaker 16: 对但我觉得就是从我们的角度所以呃我的我的经历里面从我们角度其实
Speaker 16: 我觉得还就是就是没有影响到我们很多
Speaker 16: 然后也让我们
Speaker 16: 认识到说其实社会上有很多这样的人存在
Speaker 16: 然后我觉得有一点
Speaker 16: 怎么说从我们角度来说是ok的但是我只是觉得从他们的角度来说其实很崩溃因为
Speaker 16: 因为他这个时间它真的真的只是在
Speaker 16: 延长的幼儿园一样就是没有人在真的教他东西
Speaker 16: 然后他也不知道这群人到底在干什么他每天坐在教室的最后面
Speaker 16: 然后做自己的
Speaker 16: 就玩自己的手或者做奇怪就是
Speaker 16: 就是我觉得所有时间都是浪费掉了
Speaker 16: 那那可能他在我们 [UNK] 镇上的学校里面花了一年的时间
Speaker 16: 可能远远达不到他在特殊的学校里面可能一周或者一个月
Speaker 16: 能够学到的东西多我觉得让他
Speaker 16: 过早的和
Speaker 16: 跟他差异特别大的人接触
Speaker 16: 不是一个好的
Speaker 16: 让他融入社会的一个过程
Speaker 16: 我觉得最我觉得最重要的是你在所以虽然你去的是特殊学校但是
Speaker 16: 你要有就是你要有认同感就是ok世界上
Speaker 16: 有很多跟我一样的人所以
Speaker 16: I am not
Speaker 15: alone
Speaker 16: alone对
Speaker 16: 我我们可以一起就是他可以在特殊的学校里面跟他们一起学习也好一起怎么样也好他也许
Speaker 16: 永远都达不到正常普通人的这个
Speaker 16: 学学习之后的能力但是我觉得从他个人来看
Speaker 16: 他在特殊学校里面能达到的一定比他在
Speaker 16: 普通学校里面要好很多
Speaker 16: 对所以我是觉得
Speaker 16: 这种做法根本就
Speaker 16: 嗯
Speaker 16: 那就就不太好了当然我的我的这个the whole story is based on他们是智商不是很很好
Speaker 16: 但是我觉得如果是可能听力或者一些这种这种能力的话也许呃通过一些设备的辅助
Speaker 16: 可能放到主流的学校是合理
Speaker 15: 对对我也同意因为
Speaker 15: 我高中的时候也是有那个特殊的student
Speaker 15: 然后那我们
Speaker 15: 我们我们学校怎么照顾他们就是我们有个peer mental program
Speaker 15: 就是说
Speaker 15: 一个正常的学生跟一个特殊的学生一起上学一起下学然后午饭也一起做呃所以
Speaker 15: 那个在在学校的hole program you I'm with a
Speaker 15: person with disabilities to let I help them through out and stuff
Speaker 15: for I think if the school is capable to provide those kind of service or have those kind of program
Speaker 15: 那就是可以的
Speaker 16: 我觉得
Speaker 15: 对因为我的
Speaker 15: 嗯嗯
Speaker 16: 那你当时有观察到他们是
Speaker 16: 一个很好的状态吗还是说他们会就是因为因为我不是这些人I I don't know whether I can feel like them
Speaker 16: 所以我不知道他们看到这种情况他们会觉得很温暖
Speaker 16: 觉得还有一个
Speaker 16: 有一个朋友一直都跟我在一起
Speaker 16: 还是说他会觉得
Speaker 16: 他还是他是被特殊对待的所以他很崩溃了就是为什么我要面对这样的
Speaker 16: 情况为什么
Speaker 16: 一直要有一个人来帮我我却自己不能做这些事情
Speaker 16: 我我不知道就是从我们角度可能说
Speaker 16: 很好
Speaker 16: 但是从他们角度我觉得啊这又是一个非常复杂的
Speaker 16: [UNK] 问题
Speaker 15: 那那我也不能说什么了因为我也不是他们嘛
Speaker 15: 但是我觉得
Speaker 15: the key in potent thing is sure that you understand them and to tell them that you are not alone
Speaker 15: 因为我有一个特殊的朋友嘛她
Speaker 15: 她在学校自己生活的时候和跟
Speaker 15: 其其他人帮助她的时候会很不同的
Speaker 15: 比如说他们在
Speaker 15: 学习的过程中会会suddenly be angry and like just shout in the middle of the classroom
Speaker 15: Then it's better to have someone next to her
Speaker 15: to let calm her down and that's okay it's ok everything is ok then to just leave her alone
Speaker 15: you know what I mean so I think that's the key difference
Speaker 18: 第一个问题好奇怪呀
Speaker 18: the same
Speaker 18: 呃其实
Speaker 18: 男的女的都有
Speaker 18: 呃
Speaker 18: 有跟两个人一起玩过也有四个人一起玩双双打跟单打嘛
Speaker 18: 我们都有玩过但是我觉得i don't think
Speaker 18: boys and girls should play on the same sex um it's better to
Speaker 18: mix them up
Speaker 18: 可就是就是就是
Speaker 18: 混啊可以混合在一起那样会更好一点
Speaker 18: 呃especially
Speaker 18: um one girl and and a boy and one girl and one boy
Speaker 18: 呃
Speaker 18: 因为在打网球的时候
Speaker 18: 如果要双打的话double player
Speaker 18: 一个在前面一个在one is in the front one is in the back
Speaker 18: 这样男女会比较好嗯协调比较好
Speaker 18: 所以我觉得
Speaker 18: 可以呃
Speaker 18: 嗯还是比较好的
Speaker 18: 嗯男女分工不是男女搭配干活不累嘛
Speaker 18: 其他原因other reasons嗯好像没有
Speaker 18: which sport is the best
Speaker 18: 嗯你
Speaker 18: 但是体育课是怎么样过来的
Speaker 18: oh cool
Speaker 18: 那你八百米能跑多久
Speaker 18: 八百米
Speaker 18: 八百米你能跑多久
Speaker 18: really
Speaker 18: three to four minutes
Speaker 18: 呃我觉得
Speaker 18: for a girl like you don't exercise that often it's very unbelievable
Speaker 18: yes
Speaker 18: which one is the most challenging
Speaker 18: absolutely soccer
Speaker 18: yes
Speaker 18: 好像是英国的足球不是不是好像是吧
Speaker 18: 嗯我以前打但是到了大学学了网球之后就再也不玩篮球了
Speaker 18: 差不多吗
Speaker 18: 嗯没有玩过
Speaker 18: 对
Speaker 18: 不过我在大学的时候倒是挺常一个人对着墙打
Speaker 18: 蛮有意思
Speaker 18: 你也去过那里
Speaker 18: 然后就走了
Speaker 18: 好吧
Speaker 18: 嗯一般现在很现在呢
Speaker 18: 因为我最近也有很多project要来了所以都没有时间玩了
Speaker 18: 对啊
Speaker 18: 嗯不做有氧运动
Speaker 18: 其他都做
Speaker 18: 有氧就是典型的就是跑步啊
Speaker 18: 就是最典型的有氧
Speaker 18: 呃力量训练其他
Speaker 18: 我觉得第三个问题非常有趣可以探讨一下
Speaker 18: do you think China
Speaker 18: um
Speaker 18: in the next twenty years
Speaker 18: world cup世界杯吗
Speaker 18: yes football
Speaker 18: so oh i think you你真的
Speaker 18: 嗯
Speaker 18: completelyhas no idea about sports
Speaker 18: in the future
Speaker 18: you mean question three
Speaker 18: well you mean uh it's [UNK]
Speaker 18: the probability of this event happens is almost zero
Speaker 18: pardon
Speaker 18: conclusion about China China team
Speaker 18: 哦China team真的
Speaker 18: 嗯
Speaker 18: 我
Speaker 18: 我只是截取网上那些观点不是我个人吐槽啊
Speaker 18: 他们说国足
Speaker 18: 要拿世界杯冠军简直比
Speaker 18: 比什么还难啊
Speaker 18: 就很难
Speaker 18: 对但是背后的原因
Speaker 18: It's hard to find a reason behind this
Speaker 18: 所以我也不知道为什么
Speaker 18: Let's move on question four
Speaker 18: 嗯
Speaker 18: what do you think of e sports such as
Speaker 18: 哦我知道了
Speaker 18: 你you have no idea about e sports
Speaker 18: 呃
Speaker 18: maybe you don't know the full name of e sports that means
Speaker 18: electronic sports
Speaker 18: yes i think you must heard
Speaker 18: [UNK] um yeah something
Speaker 18: as you as you
Speaker 18: that it
Speaker 18: 是啊我觉得你一定听过
Speaker 18: 撸啊撸
Speaker 18: Dota
Speaker 18: 这些就属于e sports game
Speaker 18: 那也属于一种
Speaker 18: 唉那也不错
Speaker 18: mobile phone or in PC
Speaker 18: cool
Speaker 18: ok got it
Speaker 18: 嗯but do you think the e [UNK] will in the Olympic games
Speaker 18: in well in fact it in fact it has
Speaker 18: been a item in the Olympic games
Speaker 18: em可能不是
Speaker 18: 可能还没正式的但是好像已经
Speaker 18: 有这种就之前不是有过一个比赛在鸟巢举办的好像
Speaker 18: 所以我觉得
Speaker 18: so I think the possibility is very large
Speaker 18: it depends on the person who attended the game
Speaker 18: 如果有我喜欢的
Speaker 18: 嗯你一定知道
Speaker 18: 博尔特
Speaker 18: 对短跑冠军
Speaker 18: 有而且他经常打破自己的记录
Speaker 18: which is very cool
Speaker 18: 你对他的速度有一个
Speaker 18: 概念嘛
Speaker 18: 就是短短跑不是one hundred meter嘛
Speaker 18: 嗯嗯你猜你猜一下他跑多少秒
Speaker 18: 或者你有没有跑过这种短跑
Speaker 18: competition
Speaker 18: 五十米我都要跑
Speaker 18: wait
Speaker 18: 如果你五十米都要跑
Speaker 18: 十几秒的话
Speaker 18: 那你八百米是怎么做到三到四分钟的
Speaker 18: 那
Speaker 18: 那我跟你说一下
Speaker 18: 其实他一百米
Speaker 18: 可以在十秒之内完成
Speaker 18: 是吧
Speaker 18: 你平常用这种方式减肥啊
Speaker 18: but you are an exception
Speaker 18: ok
Speaker 18: 可能有一些
Speaker 18: 未知的原因就这样发生而神神奇的就瘦下来了
Speaker 18: 那我觉得推举运动来说最好的
Speaker 18: 嗯yes the best the best way to keep fit is
Speaker 18: exercise特别是有氧运动其实你可以就是
Speaker 18: 出汗出汗就对了其他运动都可以不用做了
Speaker 18: 多吃
Speaker 18: 还是要多吃蔬菜这种
Speaker 18: 因为你你肯定会饿嘛
Speaker 18: 所以
Speaker 18: 多一些蔬菜那边的东西少减少点肉还是可以减下来的
Speaker 18: but anyway I don't know how to lose weight because I have never been fat
Speaker 18: since the age of five or six
Speaker 18: 我就一直这么瘦
Speaker 18: okay呃就好像就是小小时候很胖
Speaker 18: 七八岁以前吧
Speaker 18: 上了初上了小学不知道几年级开始就一直
Speaker 18: 胖不起来呀
Speaker 18: 是吧
Speaker 18: okay
Speaker 18: just just sit there and study study study all day long
Speaker 18: 他们就是我是他们都说高三那时候高三那时其实是一个人体重最最高的
Speaker 18: 最高时期吃鸡
Speaker 18: 嗯
Speaker 18: do you think men can do better sport than women
Speaker 18: 我觉得这个问题不应该这么问呢
Speaker 18: yes嗯
Speaker 18: in some fields of sports actually woman really do better than men
Speaker 18: 比如说李娜哦跳水也是
Speaker 18: 嗯对对对
Speaker 18: 我好像听说好像跳水对体重体重如果轻的话掉进去的时候溅起的水波纹就会小很多
Speaker 18: 还有
Speaker 18: 还有我最喜欢的网球明星之一李娜也是
Speaker 18: 嗯手臂肯定要很灵活但是她打的就是很好也不知道啊
Speaker 18: 所以在这在这方面还是
Speaker 18: 有有一些
Speaker 18: some women really do better than men
Speaker 18: 嗯那这倒是
Speaker 18: 因为像你刚刚说那个是属于
Speaker 18: very competitive sports
Speaker 18: 需要的那种
Speaker 18: 力量更多一点
Speaker 18: 所所以就对muscle身体上的muscle会很有要求
Speaker 19: 好那么我们今天来讨论的话题呢是中学有没有bedtimes
Speaker 19: 嗯这bedtimes是什么呢就是刚刚我才知道原来就是睡午觉的时间
Speaker 19: 那么在我看来睡午觉的时间是非常的重要
Speaker 19: 为什么呢因为我自己就是每天都在睡午觉
Speaker 19: 你看我们一个一个人吃完午饭之后呢然后他的血液都主要流向了胃部
Speaker 19: 这个时候呢他的大脑就会缺少养分
Speaker 19: 大脑缺少养分就会使人变困
Speaker 19: 人变困了呢就要睡午觉
Speaker 19: 所以这个时候呢
Speaker 19: 就需要一个bedtimes
Speaker 19: 如果没有bedtimes呢就会有很多严重的后果
Speaker 19: for example
Speaker 19: 人们就会比如说人们在开车的时候
Speaker 19: 他就有可能发生车祸
Speaker 19: 然后如果是当学生呢他如果做题的时候呢就有可能会算错数
Speaker 19: 呃那所以我觉着睡午觉的时间是很重要的那你觉得呢
Speaker 19: but I don't agree with you
Speaker 19: 呃for your first point呃
Speaker 19: 我们呃就是我认为呢人们一般都是time in consistent的他们一般都有present bias
Speaker 19: 所以在他们当中他们做决定的时候呢他们有可能只考虑到呃他们当前的状况而不会考虑到他们的未来
Speaker 19: 比如你看如果学生们
Speaker 19: 呃不被强制睡午觉他们可能会用这个时间来写功课
Speaker 19: 这个时候呢他们下午上课的时候可能就会很困
Speaker 19: 然后呢就不利于他们下午啊就是有精精充沛的精力来去听课
Speaker 19: 所以呢其实如果
Speaker 19: 强制他们睡午觉他们在中午就会得到很好的休息
Speaker 19: 然后他们下午上课的时候可能就会精神饱满
Speaker 19: 呃然后因为
Speaker 19: 还有present bias的人通常都会做处理嗯就是不能够全面地考虑问题
Speaker 19: 然后老师们一般通常在为学生做决策的时候呢都是time consistent的
Speaker 19: 然后他们这时候做出的决定
Speaker 19: 一般都是呃从长远来看对学生更有利的
Speaker 19: 如果让学生们强制睡午觉其实可以
Speaker 19: 就是从长远来看可以保证他们下午听课的质量
Speaker 19: 呃and for your second point you mentioned that
Speaker 19: 呃
Speaker 19: 呃学生们只能趴着睡午觉但是我个人的经历呢就不是这个样
Speaker 19: 嗯因为我中学的时候呢其实是生活在寄宿制学校
Speaker 19: 然后其实我们每个人都有自己的床位
Speaker 19: 然后当我们吃完午饭之后可以散步回宿舍然后躺在床上休息
Speaker 19: 呃这样其实就避免了
Speaker 19: 你刚刚提到的说人只能趴着睡午觉的情况
Speaker 19: 呃然后呢你
Speaker 19: 就是通过这个点呢我也看得出学校的基础建设是非常的重要的
Speaker 19: 呃因为这些in呃infrastructure呢其实是保证了学生们可以
Speaker 19: 呃有更好的需要学习和休息的机会
Speaker 19: 嗯正如你刚才所说呃这是一个learning的process
Speaker 19: 然后learning呢其实是需要一定的过程而且是需要呃人们的监管
Speaker 19: 对嗯就是他老师们需要给学生做出一个典范做出制定规则这样才会有助于他们更好的呃learning就是学习怎么样管理自己的时间
Speaker 19: 它management呢其实不是人类与生俱来的也是需要人们通过不断的教育啊通过人们的督促才会养成良好的习惯
Speaker 19: 呃比如你看我最近卖保险的朋友呢在读的一本书叫做高效能人士的呃七七个素质
Speaker 19: 然后你看这也是他们
Speaker 19: 成立读书会的原因呢我觉得就是可以通过不断的学习才能来完善自我
Speaker 19: 你看如果完全放手交给中学生们自己决定自己的实践而没有老师来给他们
Speaker 19: 进行在旁边进行指导这个时候呢他们有可能就会走弯路或者误入歧途
Speaker 19: 然后呃他们其实就未必能够养成良好的习惯但是如果有老师在一旁监监督督促他们睡午觉呢这个时候他们就可以
Speaker 19: 呃这个时候他们就可以呃就是逐渐的养成良好的习惯然后从中获益
Speaker 19: 呃是的但是呢我觉得人们处于不同阶段的时候呢他们的心理呃状况是不一样的呃这个就好像说
Speaker 19: 你在小时候的时候呢其实有法律存在你长大了依然也要有法律存在因为人们的处境不同人们做出的decision是不一样的
Speaker 19: 呃it's case by case
Speaker 19: 呃我觉得有些时候呢
Speaker 19: 呃就是完全通过自我学习其实呃不一定能够达到好的效果这也是为什么呃就是在有道德规范的基础上仍然需要有法律的监督
Speaker 19: 呃
Speaker 19: 就是有时候有一些外界的强制力来保证实施呢其实是
Speaker 19: 嗯会让社会运行的呃运转的更好
Speaker 19: so should we still
Speaker 19: 呃
Speaker 19: no it's not呃necessary呃because I think bed time for university students it not that important
Speaker 19: 呃
Speaker 19: because they are busy with other things not like in middle schools
Speaker 19: they should呃highly concentrate on their school work
Speaker 19: 呃they should
Speaker 19: 呃他们一般都会就是上午和下午都在专心上课然后其余时间应该是做功课
Speaker 19: 然后中午的时间要得到良好的休息
Speaker 19: but for university student this is kind of different
Speaker 19: 比如说香港在讲的呢就是大学五件事
Speaker 19: 也就是说大学要完成的任务呃不只是有听课
Speaker 19: 比如同时还有做兼职工作啊然后参加社团活动啊然后拍拖啊等等
Speaker 19: 呃然后就是
Speaker 19: 大学的生活相对来说比较多元然后人们的就是全呃生活的重心也不完全是在
Speaker 19: 课程上这个时候呢其实午觉的时间就不是那么重要
Speaker 19: 对相比之下就是因为他们下午也不一定是要完全concern on their course work
Speaker 19: 呃so they don't need to have bed times
Speaker 19: okay so do you know um there is a recent documentary by BBC
Speaker 19: 嗯是这样的最近有一个纪录片是英国的一所呃著名的私立中学
Speaker 19: 他们有 [UNK]
Speaker 19: 呃就是来自上海的中学老师去他们那里进行就是教学实验然后他们把学生呃randomly divided into two groups呃
Speaker 19: 然后one group呢是for control at the other group for experiment
Speaker 19: 然后这个实验呢就是中学老呃有有有一些学生呢是
Speaker 19: 使用传统的授课方式就是英国传统的授课方式
Speaker 19: 呃继续由他们的英国老师来教他们然后另一些学生呢
Speaker 19: 呃是由来自上海的这些老师用比较中相对中国化的应试教育来教导他们然后
Speaker 19: 在呃这个实验进行一段时间之后呢他们会对学生的能力进行全方位的考察
Speaker 19: 然后得到的结果当然是令人呃非常意外的
Speaker 19: 那也就是由来自中国老师教导的学生呢其实能呃能力的各方面其实都远高于由英国呃老师教导的学生
Speaker 19: 嗯这从另一个方面呢也说明了其实应试教育也不是完全不对的
Speaker 19: 呃其实在应试教育的同时他培养了人们就是各方
Speaker 19: 全方位的能力啊比如说怎样处理不同的task
Speaker 19: 呃然后同时在面对task的时候怎样
Speaker 19: behave very efficiently
Speaker 19: 对嗯所以我觉得就是
Speaker 19: 中学的教育呢其实呃
Speaker 19: 把更多时间放在course work上其实没有坏处而且中学的course work相对来说都是比较基础的
Speaker 19: 它有助于人们了解这个世界了解这个社会
Speaker 19: 对嗯这个时候呃就是把精力更多的放在学业上其实没有什么问题
Speaker 19: 呃没有呃is voluntary but uh I believe most of them呃do have bedtimes yeah
Speaker 19: 呃但是呃just I mention uh previously呃我们学校是可以躺着睡午觉的不一定要趴着睡午觉
Speaker 19: yeah
Speaker 19: and you know呃我们学校也是一个呃对呃在全国以素质教育出名的学校对我们侧重的并不是应试教育
Speaker 19: 对但是其实我们在
Speaker 19: 呃做好应试教育的同时呢也会全方位的培养学生的素质然后我也认为这也离不开睡午觉
Speaker 19: 因为睡午觉呢让大家可以在完成功课的同时还同时具有呃充沛的精力来参加课余活动
Speaker 19: 呃I believe for middle school students their times are呃relatively regular
Speaker 19: 那他们的时间表其实都是相对来说是比较
Speaker 19: 呃死板的没有太多的灵活性比如他们的课程表都是已经安排好的然后老师布置的作业的数量其实也都是
Speaker 19: 呃认为在晚上就是饭后的时间可以完成的数量
Speaker 19: 呃然后
Speaker 19: 嗯其实不太会出现你刚刚所说的他们需要呃使用睡午觉占用睡午觉的时间来做作业的情况
Speaker 19: 对
Speaker 19: hi
Speaker 19: 可以吗
Speaker 19: okay
Speaker 19: okay yeah maybe we can talk about it more
Speaker 19: 呃so
Speaker 19: 嗯对啊然后其实我不知道你的中学是怎样然后我的中学呢其实
Speaker 19: 对上午会上四堂课然后下午会上两堂课
Speaker 19: 然后接下来呢就是呃吃晚饭的时间啊然后就是大家会做作业这样子
Speaker 19: 然后做作业的数量和内容都是相对来说比较固定的然后大家也都会用晚上的这段时间来做作业
Speaker 19: 呃不太会有人出现就是做不完作业的情况
Speaker 19: so how about you
Speaker 19: 嗯
Speaker 19: 嗯但是
Speaker 19: 嗯
Speaker 24: so today we know i
Speaker 24: even from primary school a the students has been going full out of homework
Speaker 24: 他们可能做作业
Speaker 24: 好
Speaker 24: 一放学回去就要做做到晚上十一二点
Speaker 24: 嗯and some believe that we should ban homework
Speaker 24: and do you find homework is actually helpful
Speaker 24: or is it just a burden
Speaker 24: 哎很大的负担
Speaker 2: i see um
Speaker 2: homework of course
Speaker 2: will help
Speaker 2: uh students to like understand
Speaker 2: 理解他们现在所学的知识
Speaker 2: 嗯
Speaker 2: but but because i think now a lot
Speaker 2: a lot of chinese students
Speaker 2: so because
Speaker 2: uh so what you were call some match competition
Speaker 2: 他们的压力很大
Speaker 2: 呃
Speaker 2: so in order to have a good grades in exam so
Speaker 2: uh teachers will assign a lot of homework
Speaker 2: to students so which cause a lot of burden
Speaker 2: and of course
Speaker 2: so
Speaker 2: um so i think this question can be
Speaker 2: 呃转化成呃
Speaker 2: 我觉得做作业做做作业肯定是有助于学生理解
Speaker 2: 知识并且也有助于他们在考试中取得更好的成绩
Speaker 2: 就换换句话说你如果没有做作业你你是很难
Speaker 2: 去理解这些东西然后你很难在考试中考的高高分
Speaker 2: 但是homework并不是
Speaker 2: 越多越好这是肯定的
Speaker 2: because
Speaker 2: if more no more homework you do the less time you will you you will uh you will have to like
Speaker 2: 总结你现在所学的东西这些知识
Speaker 2: if you just keep doing homework
Speaker 2: you were like you do
Speaker 2: you'll i think you will forget the thing
Speaker 2: write it in your homework
Speaker 2: 那你做的题你可能并不会都记得应该只会记得一点然后你又不花时间去总结
Speaker 2: 可能这并不是一个最好的方式去
Speaker 2: 呃去掌握知识并且
Speaker 2: 在考试中取得高分
Speaker 24: 嗯yeah i think i agree that homework is necessary to gaining the basic knowledge
Speaker 24: and help to develop some basic skills
Speaker 24: but i as you know the situation in china has becomes something like
Speaker 24: 呃作业就是为了训练你
Speaker 24: 适应它的考试制度
Speaker 24: 所以很多学生做作业只是学会了怎么去考试但是考完试以后他们还是不会做
Speaker 24: 它作业本身想要给他们的那个技能
Speaker 24: 所以我觉得就有点变味了
Speaker 24: and the other burden i think like
Speaker 24: instead like many chinese children
Speaker 24: like they are pushed to study
Speaker 24: some extra curricular activities
Speaker 24: even something that they don't really like
Speaker 24: or something called兴趣班哎很多家长让他们去学乐器学画画学体育
Speaker 24: like that is something i trying to
Speaker 24: actually giving them better profile
Speaker 24: and they like
Speaker 24: like approaching a higher education
Speaker 24: so i think this not the kind of burden as well
Speaker 24: so even say like if we take away some homework from their schedule
Speaker 24: the parents still try to fill in something to their life
Speaker 24: 就是填鸭式
Speaker 24: 嗯放一些东西让他们做
Speaker 24: in because of delay i couldn't
Speaker 24: there are many
Speaker 24: parents also wanted to consider sent children abroad to study
Speaker 24: but not only master phd even like college
Speaker 24: high school
Speaker 24: even at a very young age
Speaker 24: but just about like master or phd so how do you think
Speaker 24: like sending the children abroad to study for a higher degree
Speaker 2: 嗯
Speaker 2: i think it first嗯
Speaker 2: eh first of all i want to say is it is good it is good for
Speaker 2: for students to study abroad for the
Speaker 2: 但是呃也要考虑到maybe some students他们可能
Speaker 2: 并不是并不是喜欢这个他们比如说
Speaker 2: 比如说我举个例子有一些学生他们他们可能比较喜欢
Speaker 2: 音乐那么他们可能会create a new brand for themselves but in this case they don't like to go abroad to study maybe
Speaker 2: 搞音乐是对他们来说是更好的选择so in this case maybe not
Speaker 2: but um in general if you go aboard and study you'll first you have experience and next you have like
Speaker 2: a degree in uh oversea
Speaker 2: university which is good for your career and everything
Speaker 2: so in general is good
Speaker 2: i think now in most cases um people go
Speaker 2: just go for a job so
Speaker 2: if you have overseas experience it is
Speaker 2: of course is good
Speaker 24: yeah
Speaker 24: 我相信海外经历对于学生来说应该是一个
Speaker 24: 闪光点
Speaker 24: uh highlight in their life
Speaker 24: but i also see like many students they like struggle with the language of the country
Speaker 24: and sometimes maybe they just give a look into the academic language
Speaker 24: that they need to
Speaker 24: uh they don't give a look anything else they need for life
Speaker 24: 所以他们可能在那个国家生活
Speaker 24: 很长时间但是呢他对那个国家的文化
Speaker 24: 习惯几乎可能没什么了解
Speaker 24: 然后
Speaker 24: 甚至有时候因为
Speaker 24: 学生一个人在海外太孤独没有朋友
Speaker 24: like they may do something silly
Speaker 24: or they can even get involved into crimes
Speaker 24: like
Speaker 24: even there are no like
Speaker 24: parenting guidance among them
Speaker 24: yeah they can be a
Speaker 24: risk or even like
Speaker 24: book of temptation they can fall upon them
Speaker 2: yeah
Speaker 2: and now now can be a thing yeah
Speaker 2: um yeah and science students may feel lonely when they are abroad
Speaker 2: 但我感觉现在嗯比如说去US
Speaker 2: 嗯会有已经会有一些比如说大陆的组
Speaker 2: 你到你你不管到哪一个学校你都会有他们都会有自己来自大陆学生那个组你可以和他们去交流
Speaker 2: 呃还有一点我想说的是
Speaker 2: uh before uh i mean in my
Speaker 2: in my undergraduate study
Speaker 2: i never consider go to Hong Kong or or US or whatever
Speaker 2: cause uh because at that time think i'm not good at cause English
Speaker 2: so i i think it's it's better it's a it's a good way for me to stay in mainland to have a master or whatever or even or PHD
Speaker 2: just in main mainland but
Speaker 2: 但我突然得到了一个机会能够来u UST然后我我考虑了一下我觉得还是值得值得尝试然后and i start learning English
Speaker 2: i think because it is very necessary for me to survive in this
Speaker 2: or otherwise i cannot understand what people say i cannot talk
Speaker 2: so
Speaker 2: uh and finally i realize it is ok as long as you try try your best you can you can make yourself like适应适应你所去的环境
Speaker 2: 所以
Speaker 2: 主要还是看个人的决心对所以我还是想说如果
Speaker 2: 对于对于students他们如果并不想
Speaker 2: 呃并不想去go abroad
Speaker 2: 并不想去海外学习他们就想他们真的就是只想待在mainland or哦待在他们自己的祖国
Speaker 2: 那我觉得也是ok的
Speaker 2: 我不过不要太刻意去force他们去做他们并不想做的事情
Speaker 2: 但那我想说是in general go abroad is is good
Speaker 2: yeah
Speaker 2: but maybe for some family they没有谁都have money to support their children make that depends
Speaker 24: 嗯我同意这个观点
Speaker 24: and actually i feel that you have mentioned like the mutual assistance groups
Speaker 24: like in the us so they may probably help the students get adapting into the environment
Speaker 24: and i believes like
Speaker 24: it will be helpful
Speaker 24: to help the students like
Speaker 24: um getting to do the right thing
Speaker 24: and they can develop friendships as well
Speaker 24: 嗯另外一个事情我觉得也可能要看学生个人的意愿
Speaker 24: like some of them
Speaker 24: yeah as you said they may love their home country more than the others
Speaker 24: and
Speaker 24: properly they have better friend circles like in their home country
Speaker 24: and they can develop quite well
Speaker 24: with their society of the culture
Speaker 24: 我觉得他们也
Speaker 24: 留在中国也是一个很好的选择
Speaker 24: in i wanted to also see something very funny here it said that like
Speaker 24: 嗯many students may have part time job while they study
Speaker 24: and would you think that it's helpful
Speaker 24: to develop their career
Speaker 24: like对他们的职业发展
Speaker 2: yeah
Speaker 2: 嗯part time job can
Speaker 2: can help you like
Speaker 2: so first you have some internship experience
Speaker 2: so uh it's it's better it will make you cv looks better of course
Speaker 2: but it depends like which kind of part time job
Speaker 2: it's like oh maybe you just go to
Speaker 2: the coffee shop to to serve people
Speaker 2: but in that case you just earn money
Speaker 2: or you can go to some company to do part time job which can help you
Speaker 2: which is related to your major
Speaker 2: can help you done some experience
Speaker 2: uh i think uh the later
Speaker 2: 后者肯定是有帮助的前者只不过是挣一份钱而已
Speaker 24: 嗯but as i understood
Speaker 24: like while i was in australia i see many students they can only find part time jobs in places like restaurants
Speaker 24: like cafe
Speaker 24: or maybe
Speaker 24: like
Speaker 24: they are the
Speaker 24: stuff at the supermarkets like他们是在收银台收钱
Speaker 24: 或者是like搞清洁
Speaker 24: so do you think that kind of part time job like will it getting them experience anyway
Speaker 24: even though they are not like really related to their major
Speaker 2: 嗯
Speaker 2: 觉得这要看情况
Speaker 2: 嗯
Speaker 2: maybe
Speaker 2: uh my suggestion is you can do it of course it is it is ok and you can
Speaker 2: you can like you can experience the society like how people work
Speaker 2: and you can talk with the
Speaker 2: the guy in restaurants you talk with your boss you can learn something of course
Speaker 2: uh but
Speaker 2: my suggestion is don't spend too much time on this it's like if you
Speaker 2: you have seven days a week and if you like spent five days on that
Speaker 2: you you don't have extra time to to to do your own stuff
Speaker 2: right
Speaker 2: so if you are
Speaker 2: uh cause some students may be um
Speaker 2: if you go abroad you need
Speaker 2: uh money but
Speaker 2: maybe
Speaker 2: for some family
Speaker 2: 呃
Speaker 2: a lot of family they are ok to support that but
Speaker 2: is is still a lot of [UNK] money to
Speaker 2: uh you need to have a living
Speaker 2: in our [UNK] country so sometimes you you can do a bit it's ok
Speaker 2: um and i think you can
Speaker 2: you can learn something
Speaker 2: learn something which is different from the internship in the company some company
Speaker 2: you can learn something different
Speaker 2: 嗯
Speaker 2: but my suggestion is don't do it don't spend it
Speaker 2: don't spend too much time on that
Speaker 24: uh yeah i think that's a good idea because like our main purpose to go abroad is to study
Speaker 24: and maybe at least to
Speaker 24: pass all the courses to get a grade
Speaker 24: 嗯
Speaker 24: and if you spend too much time really working on part time
Speaker 24: yeah
Speaker 24: i think that will be
Speaker 24: i really interfere with your the most study schedule
Speaker 24: and sometimes it doesn't really worth it to do so
Speaker 24: and also the money your earn from your part time it's like just
Speaker 24: drop of water in the sea or九牛一毛哼
Speaker 24: 可能不够钱用
Speaker 24: 不过我觉得
Speaker 24: 就像你说的它作为一种社会阅历让我们去
Speaker 24: 接触这个国家的
Speaker 24: 人
Speaker 24: 情
Speaker 24: 风土
Speaker 24: 都是有点好处的
Speaker 24: 嗯
Speaker 24: 然后我们可能想要谈一点有关于
Speaker 24: 特殊教育的
Speaker 24: now you know like their students with disabilities or maybe
Speaker 24: listen or hearing impairments
Speaker 24: 所以他们听不见看不见
Speaker 24: 然后
Speaker 24: 他再问如果他们被
Speaker 24: 接纳入那种正常的学校
Speaker 24: 那对于他们会不会
Speaker 24: 比较困难
Speaker 2: 嗯
Speaker 2: 嗯
Speaker 2: i think uh if if for students they cannot
Speaker 2: they can not learn in the normal school
Speaker 2: it's
Speaker 2: better not send them to be school schools
Speaker 2: for one thing is of course
Speaker 2: they cannot understand what teachers are saying because maybe they have a hearing problem or like
Speaker 2: some problem with their eyes they cannot
Speaker 2: see they cannot learn normally with
Speaker 2: the other students
Speaker 2: better not send them
Speaker 2: 对because they cannot learn another thing is
Speaker 2: i
Speaker 2: feel like if it's in the primary school a lot
Speaker 2: a lot of students will like
Speaker 2: tease
Speaker 2: tease this forever lot laughed at this kind of students
Speaker 2: it is also not good for their mental health
Speaker 2: so
Speaker 2: it'sbetter to send to a special school
Speaker 24: yeah
Speaker 24: i know like campus bullying is somehow a common thing not only in asia but probably in europe us as well
Speaker 24: but the other thing is just like
Speaker 24: uh sometimes like
Speaker 24: it maybe found that
Speaker 24: the special schools like teach the things way too simple
Speaker 24: or maybe seemingly that they are not satisfied with what they've learned
Speaker 24: and here they also mention something called learning disabilities
Speaker 24: which is a not well recognize disability
Speaker 24: or handicap
Speaker 24: 嗯所以说
Speaker 24: 可能还有一些我们
Speaker 24: 可能不是很公认的一些
Speaker 24: 嗯残疾
Speaker 24: 症
Speaker 24: 那对于他这些学生我们又应该如何呢
Speaker 2: i i think i think it should have a some special special school for it i i
Speaker 2: still don't suggest
Speaker 2: to send them to a normal school
Speaker 2: if if they can learn something if they cannot like at at least like twenty percent of what teachers
Speaker 2: teach
Speaker 2: they they can go i think
Speaker 2: i'm afraid they cannot they just like doing nothing
Speaker 24: and you know like damn maybe students like
Speaker 24: they would just constitute in class
Speaker 24: or maybe with we call them他们有多动症
Speaker 24: 可能根本没办法好好听课也干扰其他学生学习
Speaker 24: 但是我们也一直不知道嗯这些学生是否应该送去那种特别学校
Speaker 24: because
Speaker 24: they just can't
Speaker 24: like kick the order of the class
Speaker 24: like with that willing now make sense to a
Speaker 24: sense students like that
Speaker 24: like attack them as special
Speaker 2: yeah
Speaker 2: agree
Speaker 2: um i think it's better to have a special schools
Speaker 2: 特殊的学校
Speaker 24: 嗯
Speaker 24: 或许可能我们对这些病症还需要有一个更详细的了解
Speaker 24: 因为不同的disability
Speaker 24: like they actually like
Speaker 24: very different in nature
Speaker 24: and may probably we have to set many different type of
Speaker 24: like impairment schools
Speaker 24: in
Speaker 2: ok i think
Speaker 2: stop
Speaker 26: um actually i want to be a PHD student in the united states呃
Speaker 26: 怎么说呢就呃
Speaker 26: uh i found a a job in Shanghai
Speaker 26: and um that is a university of
Speaker 26: or you can say a college
Speaker 26: 是上海师范大学天华学院然后嗯我教的那门课就是我的本科专业是 [UNK] early childhood education
Speaker 26: 所以我本科就等于二加二嘛然后研究生研究生在这边读了一年所以未来它那个学校的计划是培养师资三双师资所以我可能说
Speaker 26: 嗯学校会培养我去美国那边读博但是我会有
Speaker 26: uh eight years八年服务期在那个学校所以就可能如果我签了那个
Speaker 26: 呃嗯
Speaker 26: 就是说协议的话可能未来就要在上海了
Speaker 26: 所以我是非常有读博的打算的但是我还没有选好它的方向可能是early childhood education or higher education
Speaker 26: 然后
Speaker 26: 呃我未来的plan肯定是当一名college teacher university teacher嗯我从小到大就
Speaker 26: 只是想当老师所以一直目标比较明确然后我的性格也是
Speaker 26: 适合当老师的那种类型因为我比较有亲和力然后我比较喜欢小孩因为
Speaker 26: 大学的时候就是学学前教育的嘛
Speaker 26: 嗯
Speaker 26: it's important to
Speaker 9: 你为什么想去美国读PHD呢
Speaker 26: 第一是因为那个学校
Speaker 26: 它的合作项目是中美培养所以老师肯定是输送在美国然后有几个学校可以选择看我的GRE的成绩因为以前有托福成绩就不需要了然后
Speaker 26: 嗯包括我这边是因为现在有研究生在这边也是等于免托福看我考GRE的情况如果考得好可能会去
Speaker 26: 叫伊利诺伊香槟吧嗯如果差一点可能去不同等级的
Speaker 26: 然后
Speaker 26: 嗯去美国还有原因是我对它比较熟悉
Speaker 26: 自己
Speaker 26: 是嗯自己最大的
Speaker 26: 就是
Speaker 26: 可能有点疑惑的地方就是因为我父母我是独生子女父母在
Speaker 26: 中国的话
Speaker 26: 嗯我是觉得我还是挺想陪伴他们的可能这几年会
Speaker 26: 嗯
Speaker 26: 不管是我比较孤单
Speaker 26: 嗯我父母也是比较孤单一点
Speaker 26: 嗯我去美国还有一个因还有一个原因是我有不少同学在那边这样的话到时候大家可以一起travelling
Speaker 26: 或者是一起
Speaker 26: study啊都会有更多的
Speaker 26: 可以有更多的交流空间吧我觉得嗯
Speaker 9: 就是那对于你们这个
Speaker 9: 对于教师teacher这个职业而言
Speaker 9: 呃那个phd是不是一个必须的一个一个title
Speaker 26: 嗯这个不一定我是这么想的如果呃
Speaker 26: if you choose elementary school or
Speaker 26: senior high school uh maybe you do not need to have phd
Speaker 26: 嗯但是现在
Speaker 26: 中国有一些城市比如说深圳像深圳中学像清华大学附中学像这种很好的附中我觉得
Speaker 26: 我看到的呃硕士最底线然后有博士和博士后都有虽然我不知道他们可以教什么但我觉得应该都可以教
Speaker 26: 然后嗯看你所在的地方吧如果说我在上海的话这本来就是一个
Speaker 26: 非常international国际大都市我觉得人还是要不停的去学习嘛
Speaker 26: 就尤其是作为一个老师的话
Speaker 26: 嗯你
Speaker 26: 你得更新自己的知识你得update然后你再传授给学生再说
Speaker 26: 现在我觉得国家重视教育
Speaker 26: 如何才能
Speaker 26: 就是真正的把学生生源啊包括师资拉上来就是
Speaker 26: 需要更多优秀的人才他们愿意乐意去从从事教育行业因为现在
Speaker 26: 包括我们以前填志愿的时候很多人不愿意去填老师或者是受到
Speaker 26: 一些影响是说读师范的呀
Speaker 26: 可能会
Speaker 26: 嗯拿到工资少一点其实这是有些偏见的
Speaker 26: 然后那国家如何去
Speaker 26: 调整呢那我觉得应该先从师资这块就是
Speaker 26: 让更多优秀的人愿意去
Speaker 26: 做这块然后那那就会像有更多的类似于深圳中学啊这样的
Speaker 26: 中学呃他们对于老师也是不停地培养给工资那大家肯定都愿意去从事它
Speaker 26: 然后像在上海这样的城市的话那我觉得自己
Speaker 26: 个人的发展空间也是比较大的所以读个博还是非常
Speaker 26: 需要的再说现在因为我如果读学前教育的博士的话
Speaker 26: 这个在全国的博士点只有十啊我的母校是一个就十几个所以是比较少的那你你找导师各方面也是比较困难的
Speaker 26: 那如果你去美国读博的话
Speaker 26: 你的选择会多一些
Speaker 9: 对我呃我之前有想过当
Speaker 9: 教师当老师或者这样子
Speaker 26: 嗯
Speaker 9: 但是一个问题就在于老师的
Speaker 9: 收入实在太低了
Speaker 9: 这是这是对我在我了解到这个这些信information而言的话我觉得
Speaker 9: 这是一个很大的一个问题就所以这就是最近中美贸易战
Speaker 9: 然后
Speaker 9: 那个华为ceo任正非也在说嘛就是说
Speaker 9: 呃人才才是第一位的嘛就实在是
Speaker 9: 但是要培养出那人才出来的话需要很多很多老师但是现在问题是老师的新
Speaker 9: 嗯的师资就是他们的
Speaker 9: 这个salary太低了所以很很多人都
Speaker 9: 不愿意去做这件事情
Speaker 9: 所以我我我会认为就是现在如果你想要做的话就
Speaker 9: 有很多很多的
Speaker 9: difficulty然后再很多人的现实的一些困难
Speaker 9: 会会我认我会所以我觉得
Speaker 9: 呃你在
Speaker 9: 你在考虑把
Speaker 9: 把那个teaching作为你的一项作为你的一个职业而言的话是不是没有就是没有考虑过啊你的这个
Speaker 9: 这些
Speaker 9: 就是这些经济上面的一些
Speaker 9: 呃负担之类的
Speaker 26: 这些我考虑肯定会考虑的嘛我是觉得
Speaker 26: 呃
Speaker 26: 既然你教育这个行业作为主业的话那你做副业的话比如说可以
Speaker 26: 进行呃online teaching
Speaker 26: 或者说那种blended teaching就是
Speaker 26: 有一些教育机构现在不是需要呃线上培养什么的吗
Speaker 26: 比如说我之前就找到一个
Speaker 26: online teaching但是我
Speaker 26: 就是最终没有加入它因为它让我做课件但是我自己是比较想来教学的
Speaker 26: 它是一个
Speaker 26: 海外华文的那种机构就是
Speaker 26: 总部是在呃我想想在
Speaker 26: Seattle
Speaker 26: 然后在西雅图那边的话有一个总部就等于
Speaker 26: 那边有很多大概学龄前孩子他们需要接触华文
Speaker 26: 他们的中文说得不好
Speaker 26: 那么就有这样的媒介是我可以去
Speaker 26: online teaching去教他们这样有一笔副业的话我觉得
Speaker 26: 经济上的问题不是非常大
Speaker 26: 然后
Speaker 26: 嗯最我觉得作为一个女生来说我的
Speaker 26: 就是我对于我自己职业的规划包括人生规划我不是那种非常想
Speaker 26: 就成为一个非常
Speaker 26: 呃out going哦不是outstanding的人
Speaker 26: 然后我就是想有一个比较
Speaker 26: 呃好的家庭就找就是组建一个好的家庭然后
Speaker 26: 嗯
Speaker 26: 就是
Speaker 26: 这份职业能给我带来
Speaker 26: 价值感
Speaker 26: 就可以了
Speaker 9: 嗯
Speaker 9: 呃对我觉得
Speaker 9: 教育确实是一个
Speaker 9: 我觉得呃我我给自己将来可能potential的因为我现在没有毕业嘛
Speaker 9: 那我毕业之后可能potential的两个方向一个是一个是education一个是medical care
Speaker 9: 我觉得这两件事情是
Speaker 9: 是那个
Speaker 9: 呃目前china面临的很大问题因为
Speaker 9: 呃对于我就是我是一个从农村然后一路读书上来的孩子但是
Speaker 9: 呃对于很多很多很多的family来而言他们尤其是那些比较破的一些山村
Speaker 9: 他们其实并没有那样一种好的条件去学习所以我觉得如果
Speaker 9: 呃结合我现在的一些
Speaker 9: 呃advantage比如说我现在做的这个like [UNK] processing可能
Speaker 9: 可能将来这些技术可能
Speaker 9: 可以应用在这方面可能去
Speaker 9: 呃普及这些
Speaker 9: 呃比较好的教育或者说将来能够帮助更多的h k呃
Speaker 9: 能够教育更多的孩子我觉得这件事情还是非常
Speaker 9: valuable的对然后第二件事情
Speaker 9: 所以我觉得这是给我我可能将来potential的方向之一
Speaker 9: 对然后
Speaker 9: 当然最主要的目前的给我当然还是
Speaker 9: 先先先拿到phd degree
Speaker 26: 你可以的没有问题
Speaker 26: 嗯
Speaker 26: 可以可以
Speaker 26: 换什么节目或者说是其他的一个主题都可以
Speaker 26: 就有没有你擅长的也行啊
Speaker 26: 呃我我聊一聊这个
Speaker 26: 呃experience in my university吧
Speaker 26: 我觉得
Speaker 9: 现在呃正在在university的那个
Speaker 9: 就比如说我们学校而言
Speaker 9: 就 [UNK] 而言我觉得它是一个特别特别的
Speaker 9: 比较
Speaker 9: 呃有点太过于
Speaker 9: 价值观过于单一了就是说我们的给我非常清楚我们只要optimize这个gpa就好
Speaker 9: 然后if呃如果你有high gpa你可以study aboard你可以拿很多scholarship
Speaker 9: 你可以做很多很多你想要的事情可是
Speaker 9: 就是在这个university环境里面那么对于这个学校
Speaker 9: 呃而言它可能关他可能focus在这个学生的这个比如说他们的publication上面还有creation上面
Speaker 9: 对我觉得对于学校而言这是一个好的choice但是对于学生而言
Speaker 9: 我们呃我们的那个
Speaker 9: 话其他方面的这个呃这个
Speaker 9: ability并没有得到任何并没有得到一些
Speaker 9: 呃关注和培养
Speaker 9: 和增强
Speaker 9: 呃比喻比如说我觉得我们学校就
Speaker 9: 呃比较的太过于
Speaker 9: exercise那个
Speaker 9: 呃在mathematica啊还有physic这些比较
Speaker 9: 理性的学科上面而在一些
Speaker 9: 比较social啊那些 [UNK] philosophy呀这些其他东西呀我觉得整个学校没有这样一种
Speaker 26: phenomenon就是
Speaker 9: 我是觉得在这里面我觉得只有就是当你
Speaker 9: 呃step out the university以后你会发现这个世界就是这个整个
Speaker 9: society的这个value是非常非常非常的多元化的
Speaker 9: 就是你可以你可以成为一个scientist你也可以成为一个
Speaker 9: 呃musician你也可以成为一个artist就是
Speaker 9: 我觉得在这一在这一点上面我们学校做的呃
Speaker 9: 不怎么样因为也是跟我们的这个history有关系因为我们
Speaker 9: 呃嗯我们的学校在这个这些所谓的叫文科的一些那些专业上就非常非常weak
Speaker 9: 使大家都只只就要做那个实验只要大家就要publication就是这种感觉
Speaker 9: 然后还有一些
Speaker 9: 还有一种我觉得大学里面还
Speaker 9: 很多大most university和比较
Speaker 9: 呃欠缺的东西一个就是就是那种innovation吧
Speaker 9: 因为我觉得我我知道的圈里都是说
Speaker 9: 呃就是说有很很多很多很明确答案的
Speaker 9: 就是说比如比如说给你一个creation你知道教你怎么去to solve this这个creation
Speaker 9: 给你一个
Speaker 9: 呃给你setting你需要怎么样去finish this task
Speaker 9: 就是这样一个setting是非常非常明确的但是比如说当
Speaker 9: 当我做phd的时候我发现
Speaker 9: 呃很多很多problem都是open的就是你没有一个你需要去
Speaker 9: 呃
Speaker 9: 用你的logic用你的
Speaker 9: 呃那些logic就是用一些你的in呃你的你的mind去
Speaker 9: 整个去set up the problem first
Speaker 26: 嗯
Speaker 9: 然后再去想how to solve this problem
Speaker 9: 对所以其实呃has it has to be done step by step
Speaker 9: 就是呃然后之前我觉得我在这方面遇到很多很多的 [UNK] 问题就是困难因为
Speaker 9: 之前的问题都是非常非常的明确的然后就你只要focus在使用的某某个step然后把这个step做到最好就可以了
Speaker 9: 可是在这个真实的去做research的时候你需要有的时候需要考虑整个整个的over overall picture然后
Speaker 9: 然后把很多很多东西搭起来所以我觉得这方面是我嗯在之前的
Speaker 9: study的过程 [UNK] 呃接到接接收到的训练比较少的部分
Speaker 9: 我觉得呃
Speaker 9: 对我觉得如果
Speaker 9: 呃学校能够在这方面有一些更多的attempts更多的一些呃emphasize的话可能会帮助学生呃能够更好的发展他们自己对
Speaker 26: U S T C是这样我的初中同桌就是在那边了然后呃以前是在少年班学然后现在身在美国读博
Speaker 26: 所以我对U S T C比较熟
Speaker 26: 然后嗯呃怎么说呢你说了U S T C那我就说说我的我的大学吧我的大学是
Speaker 26: Anhui Normal University安师大安徽师范大学听过吧应该在不是在合肥在芜湖
Speaker 26: 然后
Speaker 26: 嗯就我那届的时候我们这个early childhood education它是有呃二加二的这种合作项目
Speaker 26: 然后我当时因为分数就是考的
Speaker 26: 当年高考没考好分数就是低了一点然后我走征集了然后就然后上了这个专业
Speaker 26: 然后它是两年前两年在虽然是在UST啊不虽然是在Anhui normal university
Speaker 26: 当时我们 [UNK] 就是他们有普通班的学前教育专业和我们班课程设置不太一样的
Speaker 26: 因为我们就是比较倾向于美式教育它会把比如说中国的有呃呃比如说geography像这样的课程比如说我们还学过大学代数
Speaker 26: [UNK] 东西还有大学物理虽然我物理一向就是非常差的那种所以我学的是文科嘛
Speaker 26: 然后那些全部学得比较呃完全就是就可以说是每一点都涉猎一下因为虽然说是教孩子们但是嗯因为孩子有五大领域包括科学啊
Speaker 26: 社会呀像阅读啊之类的就比较重要所以我们学的很全
Speaker 26: 然后 [UNK] 后来那两年去美国的时候也是
Speaker 26: 学了很也也是比较全但是我们还有一些比如说美国历史
Speaker 26: uh American's history呃然后还有一些呃一些课程比如说
Speaker 26: 类似于我们现在学的专业tesl [UNK] teaching当时teaching english as second language
Speaker 26: 所以就呃学的只要是比如说语言领域它会把第二语言习得
Speaker 26: 他会把你们上面的呃理论全部讲完然后如何时间如何做lesson plan全部都是有的
Speaker 26: 然后比如说我们选那个fine arts的那门课嗯fine arts里面
Speaker 26: 那个arts里面不仅有美术不还有音乐嘛之类的我们上课的时候不仅要做lesson plan然后还会
Speaker 26: 比如说呃有些教学法给你老师有一个嗯就比如说那个大屏幕然后上面有音乐然后
Speaker 26: 呃 [UNK] 我们根据那个音乐想象画出画面然后你画出画面以后你你如何引导孩子们也是做这样的事情呢就比如说举个例子是这样的
Speaker 26: 然后嗯我就感觉这四年学下来 [UNK] 我们我们学的东西比较杂然后
Speaker 26: 呃他们普通的学前教育专业就前两年的话肯定得学钢琴我们后面在美国学钢琴的
Speaker 26: 呃当然我钢琴学得一般因为我以前以前学的是我学的是民族乐器就二胡
Speaker 26: 然后那钢琴我接触不多就不太也弹得不太好
Speaker 26: 然后但是整体来讲这四年嗯我以前是一个不是一个自信的人但是这四年让我变得比较自信了一点
Speaker 26: 嗯我觉得
Speaker 26: 这怎么说每个人身上都有闪光点嘛所以说呃我们还是要能看到自己和对方就是好的地方
Speaker 26: 呃我就感觉这四年最大变化还有点就是我变得比较独立这这
Speaker 26: 呃嗯毕竟从中国到美国我第一次做跨洋航班就是
Speaker 26: 就是那个去美国的时候在呃san francisco好像是好像是那个地方
Speaker 26: 然后当时我的托运行李差一点就不知道托哪儿去了那时候英语没有现在的这样好
Speaker 26: 所以就非常的焦虑虽然有几个同学跟我一起但是我们大家都不熟都不知道托运行李都乱七八糟的那种然后我一个好朋友就是我室友他
Speaker 26: 嗯当时中途的时候被抽去安检了然后他的手机也没什么电了当时我非常着急因为我跟他是最好的朋友他我就不知道跑哪儿去了还好后来又一起找到那个飞机场了
Speaker 26: 所以我觉得呃其实其实四年那个一些知识理论知识的话我觉得学得最多的是呃如何做lesson plan如何教学如何
Speaker 26: 怎么说呢就是改变性格的会比较多
Speaker 9: 所以你觉得呃是美国united states对你的变化影响更大一点还是 [UNK] china的education对你影响更大一点
Speaker 26: 都有那我觉得嗯不能大哪一边更大的问题可能受影响的不一样比如说在美国的话影响我的是那种
Speaker 26: 更加就像你说的 [UNK] 就是那种可能我发散思维的我brainstorming会比较多呀
Speaker 26: 嗯老师上课讲一个讲一个知识点我会比如说我自己可能就会画出那个brainstorming那张图然后多想一些知识点包括我教学的时候我也会让孩子们
Speaker 26: 呃我们在美国主要是针对呃小学生和呃学前儿童大概是零到八岁这个阶段呢
Speaker 26: 所以我们也会想如何让孩子们发散思维
Speaker 26: 嗯这一点是在美国训练比较多的然后在中国训练比较多
Speaker 26: 呃我们因为不是普通的学前教育班也不是教育学普通的教育学所以没有那么的呃循规蹈矩我就觉得嗯
Speaker 26: 正好我当时是也是班委嘛所以可能就是做事儿多一点
Speaker 26: 我觉得呃在学习上嗯学得比较全这个是我最大的感觉
Speaker 4: so
Speaker 4: 我们来聊聊跟运动有关的一些事情
Speaker 4: 对
Speaker 4: 今天我们的topic呢是聊一下
Speaker 4: which sport is the best
Speaker 4: 就是哪一个运动是最棒的运动
Speaker 4: 你觉得
Speaker 4: 好没关系我来讲
Speaker 4: 我其实我个人也蛮喜欢playing basketball的
Speaker 4: 那我觉得打篮球
Speaker 4: 呃最吸引我的地方就是you know
Speaker 4: it's a it's a very if efficient sports
Speaker 4: 为什么我说是very [UNK] efficient呢
Speaker 4: 是因为
Speaker 4: basketball is a team sport
Speaker 4: 就一个团队的
Speaker 4: 团队的就是
Speaker 4: 一场游戏可以有at most ten people
Speaker 4: 对吧
Speaker 4: 在一个场地所以去玩
Speaker 4: 那不像是其他像是
Speaker 4: 棒球啊
Speaker 4: baseball啊soccer呀之类的
Speaker 4: 虽然人数也是差不多大概是十来人左右但是他们需要场地都非常大
Speaker 4: basketball只要一个非常小的
Speaker 4: 我这种相对小的一个场地就可以
Speaker 4: you know many players play together and have fun make friends
Speaker 4: 对所以
Speaker 4: 对然后再加上我个人呢
Speaker 4: 呃从
Speaker 4: 很小的时候就是kinder不是kindergarden从elementary school的时候呢
Speaker 4: 就觉得就喜欢开始打篮球但那时候呢是投不到篮筐的
Speaker 4: 对然后慢慢地渐渐地就是长高长高
Speaker 4: 然后就诶two point shots and three point shots
Speaker 4: and then gradually yeah
Speaker 4: 就是慢慢的就
Speaker 4: 把各种篮球相关的东西基本功什么的都
Speaker 4: 就练得比较好所以就比较喜欢打篮球
Speaker 4: 那我个人呢是不喜欢badminton的
Speaker 4: 啊
Speaker 4: 找到女神
Speaker 4: ok所以你们认为
Speaker 4: 运动最最重要的就是
Speaker 4: 结交异性
Speaker 4: 就是made a another gender就是你的觉得最重要的事情
Speaker 4: 了解
Speaker 4: 那这样的话如果以这个角度为考量的话呢我个人应该也不会选择basketball
Speaker 4: 对可可能会选择一些
Speaker 4: 呃swimming sports
Speaker 4: 就是约女生去游泳
Speaker 4: 对
Speaker 4: 那感觉也不错
Speaker 4: 可以游泳池也不能穿的太多
Speaker 4: 好吧不如我再问一个问题好了
Speaker 4: 来哪一种sports你觉得是最difficult
Speaker 4: 就是
Speaker 4: i mean
Speaker 4: 如果你今天是
Speaker 4: 假设今天你什么运动都没接触过
Speaker 4: so which one is the first sports
Speaker 4: you think
Speaker 4: 就是依你的
Speaker 4: 状况你觉得是最难去达到一个
Speaker 4: good player的level
Speaker 4: tennis
Speaker 4: 嗯哼
Speaker 4: 就我我认为我要分两两部分来看
Speaker 4: 就是如果是日常生活的运动的话就是我会觉得说
Speaker 4: 就是校园里面或是什么之类
Speaker 4: 呃the more common sports的话我认为
Speaker 4: 最difficult的是
Speaker 4: for me it's table tennis
Speaker 4: like a
Speaker 4: 所几乎所有的
Speaker 4: I mean because i'm like kind of like a
Speaker 4: involve in the basketball team
Speaker 4: 所以我自己的体力呀或者是移动的速度啊我自认为自己是哎还不错的
Speaker 4: 对但是所以基本上
Speaker 4: 所有的racket sports像是badminton像是tennis或是像是
Speaker 4: 啊什么之类的bat baseball
Speaker 4: 就是因为像棒球就是挥棒然后跑所以那其实对我来说就哎就是
Speaker 4: 第一次 [UNK] 诶已经比average的人都还要还要高很多但是我第一次接触table tennis的时候
Speaker 4: 就觉得这个是不是我的个人的一项运动就是我我我认为它不需要
Speaker 4: 因为它要做的就是就是一张桌就是就是 [UNK]
Speaker 4: 所以你并不需要一个非常
Speaker 4: uh how to say
Speaker 4: 非常敏捷的
Speaker 4: 一个移动我认为啊就是小幅度的移动就你不并不像是
Speaker 4: 打play badminton的时候你要在整个场地上你是要用
Speaker 4: 脚去很快速地移动的
Speaker 4: 所以就是变成是你上半身的这些控制然后
Speaker 4: 就当它那个table tennis的那个球又很小很轻
Speaker 4: 相对于其他的baseball啊或者是呃羽球就像羽球很轻但是像网球那球都比较重
Speaker 4: 所以table tennis比较不是一个吃
Speaker 4: 吃力道的一个运动
Speaker 4: 我觉得
Speaker 4: 好这是我个人的一个opinion但是我觉得就是common所有来说table tennis对我来说是最
Speaker 4: 最difficult最hard to
Speaker 4: uh be a good player
Speaker 4: 对但是然后另外一方面就是说其它的不是比较不是common的运动呢我认为最对我来说最难的是
Speaker 4: 呃
Speaker 4: 那个是什么那个
Speaker 4: 那个高空跳伞我不知道算不算运动
Speaker 4: 就是嚯就是那种说要从高空滑翔滑翔翼或者是anyway any sport like jump from a
Speaker 4: mountain or jump from an airplane or jump from top of a building
Speaker 4: this kind of sports 对我来说都是
Speaker 4: 呃
Speaker 4: 最最难的运动
Speaker 4: 因为我本身有惧惧惧高症就I'm a too afraid of height
Speaker 4: 所以我永远都是
Speaker 4: 基本上就是我如果从一个几五楼十楼的高高的高度向往下看我就会腿软
Speaker 4: 对所以i mean this kind of sport is too hard for me
Speaker 4: badminton对就我来说的话就是
Speaker 4: playing badminton是一个不太需要学我从来没有really learn how to play
Speaker 4: 对就是哦give me a rocket
Speaker 4: hit the ball and run like
Speaker 4: 告诉我那边是界限球不要出界然后打到球
Speaker 4: 对就是没有人之后教我诶我要怎么挥啊有些人正确的
Speaker 4: how do you use the rocket is like you need to use a [UNK] 来一个
Speaker 4: i don't know like你你需要
Speaker 4: 呃以最轻松的方式去甩你的手臂好像这些方式并不是
Speaker 4: 并不是就是你要是去甩你的手臂而不是去去用手手臂的肌肉去真的去打那个球
Speaker 4: 就如果要真的打出很就是high speed的那种
Speaker 4: 球的话真的是要去用用又不知道什么姿势然后去甩甩那个甩那个杆子
Speaker 4: 每当我 [UNK] 这种训练就是
Speaker 4: 然后就觉得诶好像还可以
Speaker 4: 就比如说有些跑的比较慢的
Speaker 4: some people其实can not move very fastly so I can play with them play
Speaker 4: play play that you know
Speaker 4: like I hit there and hit here yeah
Speaker 4: 所以有我觉得这是一个就是没什么学然后kind of play well的一个运动how about you
Speaker 4: ok
Speaker 4: 我的话跟你相反
Speaker 4: swimming对我来说不是一个
Speaker 4: 呃
Speaker 4: 非常easy的一个运动
Speaker 4: 我我自己是觉得
Speaker 4: 是跟我的
Speaker 4: 身体的特质有关系
Speaker 4: I'm too my my my body's too dense
Speaker 4: like呃how to say high density
Speaker 4: 就我的觉得我身体的密度可能比较高可能因为我我我完全没办法在放松的情况下去浮在水面
Speaker 4: 这些不是说就这样哦你就这样放松的话你就会float you like easy be float on water right
Speaker 4: 所以我我我从小就很难做到我一定要
Speaker 4: 就是
Speaker 4: move my leg very hard or whatever I could I don't know [UNK] on the water
Speaker 4: I cannot do it like very relax and then I can do something very [UNK] beyond the water
Speaker 4: I don't know why but
Speaker 4: 但我觉得是
Speaker 4: 应该是
Speaker 4: 呃可能是我又比较怕水我不知道对
Speaker 4: 好
Speaker 4: 是
Speaker 4: 不如我们来聊一下下一个也蛮类似的话题
Speaker 4: 就who is your favourite
Speaker 4: 运动员
Speaker 4: 嗯
Speaker 4: 为什么为什么你会喜欢
Speaker 4: 这些
Speaker 4: 刚刚念出来那几个player
Speaker 4: 到这个我
Speaker 4: 我我大概觉得就是
Speaker 4: 老 [UNK] Stephen Curry
Speaker 4: 就觉得I know I think Stephen Curry kind of change the style of how people play basketball
Speaker 4: like uh在他之后呢大概开始就觉得诶three point shot这是一个更有效率的一个得分方式
Speaker 4: 所以与其选择再去投一些中距离大家会选择把把射程拉远然后去外面投一些诶其实也不会说对他们对他们这种你知道他们都累积 [UNK] 两百多公分
Speaker 4: 对他们来说其实其实就是很简单的比较轻松的一个投篮所以
Speaker 4: 我觉得他有点改变的这种篮球生态
Speaker 4: 对那我自己
Speaker 4: yeah
Speaker 4: 早期的时候是什么时候呢
Speaker 4: junior high school的时候那时候我最喜欢的play的的篮球员是
Speaker 4: 是Allen Iverson
Speaker 4: 对然后我喜我觉得他他的影片都非常帅他的过人都
Speaker 4: 他的过人非常的我觉得讲犀利
Speaker 4: 对就是因为他 [UNK] 他的kind of cross over就会让你觉得哦这是可以把你晃到真的快要晃到倒一样那时候他偶像就是他所以
Speaker 4: 那所以造成一个现象就是
Speaker 4: [UNK] play basketball
Speaker 4: like all the ball always be with me
Speaker 4: 对就是就是就是我我比较粘球因为我想要就是多做一些cross over的动作
Speaker 4: 所以就会把球一直连身上然后想要把人晃倒之后再上篮得分
Speaker 4: 对然后我我是到了后来到
Speaker 4: 大学的时候正式加入一个比较嗯
Speaker 4: 比较怎么样
Speaker 4: 比较有系统的basketball team的时候才慢慢开始改变我
Speaker 4: 就是我打篮球的一个习惯就是尽量的不要去抢太多的球
Speaker 4: 然后share the ball with others and then
Speaker 4: 学着去就是怎么样去organize打怎么移动这件事情
Speaker 4: 对因为再说打的位置是呃p g就是point guard对所以
Speaker 4: as a point guard你去走你怎么样去呃
Speaker 4: 透过你自己的移动然后造搓球的移动来帮助大家去在场上做移动我觉得这个是
Speaker 4: 对 [UNK] 就是因为我当了p g之后那时候我渐渐的就会
Speaker 4: 我的偶像就变成Stephen Curry对因为Stephen Curry其实不是一个
Speaker 4: 不是一个common的p g他的得分能力快要比得分后卫还要强
Speaker 4: 对所以真的觉得诶这样子的一个这样子的一个选手其实也蛮蛮蛮蛮有特色的对
Speaker 4: 是我来讲最后一个我喜欢的player啊
Speaker 4: 但我喜欢这个player并不是因为他的skills而是
Speaker 4: anyway我喜我喜欢Jeremy Lin对因为Jeremy Lin他是可以算是第一个在
Speaker 4: 也不是第一个也算第一个姚明之后的第一人我觉得就是在nba打出一个蛮好的成绩但也比较 [UNK] 一点
Speaker 4: 就 [UNK] 的时候是什么时候啊
Speaker 4: 是喂是高中吗不是
Speaker 4: 是高中吗
Speaker 4: anyway yeah高中的时候对那时候他打他在尼克队New York Knicks打出了所谓的Knicks sanity的一个成绩
Speaker 4: 对那时候整个整个台湾整个
Speaker 4: tv show整个来个everything is all about Jeremy Lin
Speaker 4: 然后所有的转播一定都是尼克打什么的就全部都整个台湾都是Jeremy Lin所以
Speaker 4: 然后那时候还有什么各种投票啊什么best sport star player啊整个台湾都是鼓吹的去投Jeremy Lin
Speaker 4: 对然后我本身觉得Jeremy Li打球是一个比较像是我自己在打球的风格
Speaker 4: 就是非常的嗯怎么讲非常的
Speaker 4: 就你看他在打球有点像他在打 [UNK] 的感觉
Speaker 4: 就是他的他的他的切入也没有什么特别运球也还好
Speaker 4: 然后是诶稳扎稳打的样子诶 catch a shock或者是诶运营下来然后
Speaker 4: 对
Speaker 4: 但我就觉得就是就我觉得when I when I'm seeing like he's playing I feel like
Speaker 4: like he is really really playing something we are playing
Speaker 4: 就是你看其他的nba player就是你会觉得哦干
Speaker 4: 嗯well like就是就是你看其他nba player在打球的时候你就觉得这个根本不是我们的level就是
Speaker 4: 就是因为太太壮了或者是这个spin spin move太强太夸张了
Speaker 4: 说这个什么fade away啊或什么之类的根本不是我们做得出来的一件事情
Speaker 4: 那你看Jeremy Lin打球就觉得诶this is something what I can do的感觉他的得分方式他的
Speaker 4: 各种某种诶信心啊或者什么之类的就是他也不是特别的壮但他就敢敢自己进去进去然后跟那些人you know you know like
Speaker 4: I mean two hundred over two hundred two hundred centimeter um centimeters people like
Speaker 4: 跟他们撞来撞去对所以我觉得我是蛮欣赏他的他的
Speaker 4: 哦他的故事也还蛮蛮励志的啦对吧所以我其实还蛮欣赏他这个人
Speaker 4: ok
Speaker 6: ok maybe we stop
Speaker 6: 呃should we study overseas for master
Speaker 6: or phd degree
Speaker 6: 你怎么认为
Speaker 5: 我觉得他的意思是说
Speaker 5: 我们要不要去海外读master
Speaker 5: 嗯当然或者phd也算算在内嘛
Speaker 5: 嗯
Speaker 5: 然后其实就是觉得看你自己的一个
Speaker 5: preference
Speaker 5: 你说你更加喜欢中式的一个教育
Speaker 5: 嗯当然还指的是高等教育
Speaker 5: 嗯然后还是说更喜欢西方的那种
Speaker 5: 高等教育这两个还是有有比较大区别的
Speaker 5: 对
Speaker 5: 然后我觉得
Speaker 5: 现在国内的环境的话还是很多单位还是有一点嗯名校的一种嗯
Speaker 5: 一种向往的所以它会更喜欢overseas的一些
Speaker 5: 学校
Speaker 5: 呃尤其是美国的一些名校啊对排名top五十的那种
Speaker 5: 嗯
Speaker 5: 我觉得对于他们会比较有吸引力
Speaker 6: okay嗯我说一下我的一个
Speaker 6: Uh opinions呃看法嗯
Speaker 6: 呃我觉得其实都是个人的选择吧就是说不管是overseas还是在国内其实呃都是各有优劣的吧
Speaker 6: 嗯呃如果是在我个人看来呃如果是单纯的phd学位的话phd学位的话可能去有一些呃oversea的背景的话
Speaker 6: 可能会更加开阔你的一个事业以及打开你的思路包括题目的一些选择呀方向的一些选择呀包括一些新的idea啊
Speaker 6: 因为可能有不同的一些culture之间呃一些一些思想的碰撞可能会有更多的一些灵感或者idea出来
Speaker 6: 哦但是
Speaker 6: 国内的话这几年呃在phd这方面就是尤其是AI领域其实进展也是蛮
Speaker 6: 蛮巨大的
Speaker 6: 呃但是在我个人的一个看法我会觉得国内的这些呃phd的研究方向
Speaker 6: 就是还是过于呃集中
Speaker 6: 对大家会稍微比较功利一些
Speaker 6: 啊没有那么多的diverse的diversity对
Speaker 6: 所以如果譬如说你的长期的career plan是譬如说是要去industry
Speaker 6: 呃maybe你就直接如果想留在美国的话maybe你就去
Speaker 6: 国外如果想在中国发展的话那就在国国内如果你想在academia发展的话
Speaker 6: 我个人还是觉得应该有一些oversea的背景会比较好
Speaker 6: 因为academia其实是一个呃全球化的一个呃
Speaker 6: 一个一个一个一个类似的这种氛围
Speaker 6: 嗯
Speaker 6: 所以你之后有什么计划吗what is your plan
Speaker 5: 对我感觉我接下来的plan
Speaker 5: 就是比较近一点的
Speaker 5: 应该是
Speaker 5: 有机会的话找一个实习
Speaker 5: 找一个internship
Speaker 5: 嗯感觉呢在香港的话
Speaker 5: 嗯相比在内地学校读博
Speaker 5: 或者读研
Speaker 5: 有一个有一个劣势应该是就是实习呃不是很方便
Speaker 5: 对但是即使是对phd来说当然是对于我这种类型phd来说以后
Speaker 5: 以后应该多半会进工业界而不是在学术界待所以
Speaker 5: 嗯internship还是很重要的
Speaker 5: 嗯所以短期的目标应该是呃找一个好一点的实习然后充实一下自己的背景
Speaker 6: 嗯目前呢我没有特别多的一个嗯计划其实我其实就是希望能够尽快
Speaker 6: 把我的啊research topic确定下来然后可能呃潜心钻研就是能够publish a paper之类的能够希望能够尽快的呃毕业拿到学位
Speaker 6: 对
Speaker 6: 之后计划再说吧
Speaker 6: 嗯
Speaker 6: it is important to have a higher degree
Speaker 6: 你你你怎么看
Speaker 5: 嗯
Speaker 5: 我觉得当然之前对于phd的话有一些
Speaker 5: 嗯
Speaker 5: 有一些迷思是觉得那个phd还是很有光环的一群人然后真的做了phd学生之后我觉得都都挺苦的然后大家都是普通人phd压力也大然后
Speaker 5: 嗯本科就毕业之后去工作的人压力也挺大的所以所以我现在看法是觉得phd就把它当作一份工作就好了
Speaker 5: 嗯所以也没有必要一定要追求一个高的学位
Speaker 5: 因为高学位的话并不意味着你这个人就一定比其他人更优秀
Speaker 5: 嗯只能说你可能在某一个领域上还是做出了一定的成绩的
Speaker 5: 嗯但是其他人工作的人的话虽然没有博士学位但是可能人家还是在自己的专业领域里也是有成绩的
Speaker 5: 嗯所以我的观点就是这样
Speaker 6: 嗯
Speaker 6: 我觉得呃it depends
Speaker 6: 就是
Speaker 6: 跟个人的一个人生观价值观比较有关系吧
Speaker 6: 嗯当然也看你所从事的领域或者行业
Speaker 6: 嗯呃就是说如果譬如说如果你是从事呃互联网比如说一些前端后端开发的话呃
Speaker 6: 其实it's actually it's not necessary to have a masters or phd degree嗯
Speaker 6: but if you want to do um
Speaker 6: to have a job in AI
Speaker 6: related um area
Speaker 6: i i think a higher degree will be important
Speaker 6: 呃因为呃如果从事人工智能方向的研究的话呃它还是有很多关于呃专业知识方面的一些要求
Speaker 6: 这个其实是跟一些呃high degree是比较相关联的它并不是说一些技能你就可以被呃在技校里面培训出来的
Speaker 6: 嗯
Speaker 6: 嗯
Speaker 6: can you introduce your experience
Speaker 6: in your university
Speaker 5: 嗯好
Speaker 5: 我大学的经历吗
Speaker 5: 我其实
Speaker 5: 嗯
Speaker 5: 高中的时候呢然后那个时候选大学嗯也没有认真地选
Speaker 5: 主要是目的是不想留在四川上大学
Speaker 5: 嗯还对上海比较有
Speaker 5: 有向往所以就
Speaker 5: uh so so我就选了I choose the
Speaker 5: 复旦university
Speaker 5: 然后选了engineering这个专业
Speaker 5: 嗯
Speaker 5: 进去之后呢嗯刚开始也是不太喜欢去 [UNK] 呢
Speaker 5: 嗯虽然自己一直以来都读的理科是读的science嗯但是后来那个经过一段时间的
Speaker 5: 嗯hard working然后觉得自己其实对这个东西还是有一点特长的嗯
Speaker 5: so I continue
Speaker 5: study uh engineering
Speaker 5: and
Speaker 5: 最后来了
Speaker 5: h k ust然后继续读engineering
Speaker 5: 嗯
Speaker 5: 对这是学业方面的经历嘛
Speaker 5: 然后大学生活
Speaker 5: 嗯还是比较colorful的
Speaker 5: 对然后参加各种society
Speaker 5: 或者一些
Speaker 5: 嗯
Speaker 5: 有意思的一些竞赛
Speaker 5: competition然后结交了很多的friends
Speaker 5: 嗯嗯还有一次出去嗯做exchange student的经历
Speaker 5: 嗯整体来说还是过得比较嗯
Speaker 5: 嗯colorful
Speaker 6: 嗯那我说一下我的一个呃大学的经历吧呃我的本科是在合肥呃中国科学技术大学嗯
Speaker 6: 嗯
Speaker 6: 呃学校里面有三分之一的学生在本科期间其实都是想要呃出国的也就是overseas uh studies
Speaker 6: 嗯所以呢就是大家在本科期间基本上的一个
Speaker 6: 节奏都还是比较单一的可能就是刷成绩然后考完gre考托福
Speaker 6: 啊然后到了大三可能大四就开始准备一些呃申请可能会写一些c v r写一些ps然后还有一些uh competition letter
Speaker 6: 等等然后去准备一些呃申请然后大学的生活主要就是围绕呃学习
Speaker 6: 呃当然也有一些社团活动嗯但是感觉合肥整个城市其实是比较闭塞的呃
Speaker 6: 所以其实呃
Speaker 6: 大家也没有太多的一个呃选择它不像其他北京上海大城市那么丰富吧
Speaker 6: 就是有一些社团活动但也就是还是种类选择可能是比较少的吧
Speaker 6: 嗯然后有一点就是呃学校的学风其实还是蛮纯蛮蛮蛮好的嗯
Speaker 6: 嗯大家都比较hard working呃然后呃学校里面的professor们也都非常的尽职尽责嗯
Speaker 6: 然后所以科大的学生都有一个特别啊特别呃突出的一个特点就是特别的靠谱对对知识的追求会比较的嗯
Speaker 6: 执着特别靠谱吧嗯
Speaker 6: 嗯
Speaker 6: should kids have
Speaker 6: Wednesdays off
Speaker 6: school
Speaker 6: 嗯你你能理解这句话的意思吗
Speaker 5: 我们是不是讨论一个一个topic讨论两个问题
Speaker 6: 对但是但是还可以再继续讨论一下
Speaker 6: 嗯
Speaker 8: I think the best sports for diet is swimming
Speaker 8: cause呃它是一个有氧运动然后它可以
Speaker 8: 就是锻炼到全身的肌肉然后啊
Speaker 8: 嗯在我的认知里面sports是分成有氧跟无氧的然后有氧就是你可以嗯长时间就lost at嗯
Speaker 8: 就是可以长时间持续的运动然后无氧的话你是需要短时间的刺激
Speaker 8: 然后去
Speaker 8: 嗯让你的肌肉更加的
Speaker 8: 得到锻炼
Speaker 8: 嗯I think it's okay because你在游泳锻炼的时候你是就是在improve那个你的基础代谢量然后
Speaker 8: 如果你摄入的热量跟基础代谢量几乎相等的话其实你是会逐渐的瘦下来因为你
Speaker 8: 你消耗的是脂肪然后你锻炼的肌肉但是你摄入的热量的话
Speaker 8: 就是可能并不足以弥补你消耗的缺口
Speaker 8: I think
Speaker 8: I think I think yes
Speaker 8: because I think man can do
Speaker 8: 呃better in生理上
Speaker 8: 就是他们的男人的生理结构其实决定了他们的strength and some advantages they they're than woman in sports
Speaker 8: 呃I think maybe the kind of sports that needs flexibility
Speaker 8: 啊瑜伽
Speaker 8: 就是感觉体操类会不会也
Speaker 8: maybe男子的体操是更powerful更strength的一点可能woman才能体现那种阴柔之美
Speaker 8: 嗯
Speaker 8: 嗯my favorite sport is swimming
Speaker 8: because I think就是在水里面游的话感觉很轻松然后不像跑步那样流很多汗
Speaker 8: so it's more relaxing for me
Speaker 8: 嗯
Speaker 8: maybe you can step by step
Speaker 8: 嗯比如说你一次游多十米这样逐渐去克服然后你会发现在深水区其实你的浮力是比在浅水区还要大的so呃you
Speaker 8: you就你不用害怕你会沉下去
Speaker 8: and maybe you can呃just swim alone
Speaker 8: 就是浮在那些边边你有机会可以扶住它们的地方然后你一觉得你要沉下去或者是你不想游了你就马上扶着那个边边休息一下