Speaker 2: ok
Speaker 2: so uh after the first topic嗯我们可以来讨论一下
Speaker 2: 第二个关于technology的话题
Speaker 2: 嗯
Speaker 2: 嗯关于人工智能我觉得现在ai is becoming very very hot topic popular
Speaker 2: and a lot of projects a lot of uh companies正在做一些关于人工智能的项目
Speaker 2: 还有很多很有意思的东西and maybe find out that artificial intelligence can do do a lot of things can do something very amazing
Speaker 2: maybe呃sometimes is very even very hard for human去做这件事情
Speaker 2: so嗯
Speaker 2: 我觉得人工智能越来越在不断的发展
Speaker 2: 嗯它可能能够做出那种类人的机器
Speaker 2: sometimes a robot can be very human
Speaker 2: and I think
Speaker 2: already some project
Speaker 2: has already [UNK] already some task has already been done
Speaker 2: for example呃那种记得有那种呃
Speaker 2: 电话订餐的那种机机器人
Speaker 2: like uh it can um help you to book a restaurant or [UNK] hotel I'm not sure
Speaker 2: but it is very human like
Speaker 2: so嗯我觉得呃人工智能在不断的发展中确实会出现这种越来越好的情况
Speaker 1: 呃所以嗯我也yeah I agree with your opinion yeah
Speaker 1: 但是就是嗯我觉得人工智能怎么说呢就是
Speaker 1: 嗯你要说真的就是我知道他is getting better and better but
Speaker 1: 就是你要说你真正去trust
Speaker 1: trust ai trust [UNK] artificial intelligence
Speaker 1: 嗯i think it's [UNK] it's it's difficult for me
Speaker 1: yeah因为因为你不知道
Speaker 1: 就是the p the people who train the ai is good or not因为你不知道你不知道去做的它的这个人是好是好的还是坏的
Speaker 1: actually there is no bad ai but bad person bad people yeah所以其实我个人对于这个东西并无持有就是怎么说呢i don't trust them
Speaker 1: yeah但是我自己做的东西i trust
Speaker 2: 呃我我确实在我确实也挺赞同你的观点的嗯现在其实
Speaker 2: 呃some projects about ai uh ai for good some uh ai for bad maybe
Speaker 2: 嗯已经有一些已经有一些项目可以模仿人指纹模仿人的人脸去破解
Speaker 2: 破解你手机的密码等等
Speaker 2: uh maybe some people can make use of this uh technology [UNK]
Speaker 2: [UNK] to do something bad for the society
Speaker 2: 嗯
Speaker 2: but i thinks嗯嗯my problem my my question is嗯can a robot like be better than human嗯
Speaker 2: for now maybe not because
Speaker 2: 呃很多现实的情况机器人无法做的很好
Speaker 2: 比如说仅仅让一个机器人去很好的打扫卫生
Speaker 2: maybe
Speaker 2: uh may maybe it can but
Speaker 2: 呃it cannot be good as good as human
Speaker 2: 呃可能确实有这个呃确实是可能在未来的十多二十年后可能它会做得很好
Speaker 2: 但是呃我觉得
Speaker 2: 可能会在某一些领域他们会做得很好
Speaker 2: 比如说一些关系到呃一些知识一一些呃
Speaker 2: 像一些类似于理论方面的
Speaker 2: I think some I heard about the news like uh a lawyer ai for lawyer can beat human
Speaker 2: something like this is like呃推理呀什么的可能有时候人类没有办法想的那么多
Speaker 2: 但是如果你把一些规则加进去了可能ai能够很好的make use of it and be human maybe some in some area
Speaker 2: but uh I think a lot of areas robots can not be human even in ten years
Speaker 2: ten years later maybe uh maybe after one hundred years or several thousand years may be [UNK]
Speaker 2: nothing will be finishing in several years
Speaker 1: 嗯对我觉得yeah you're right我觉得你说的很对但是就是呃怎么说呢就是
Speaker 1: 嗯你的观点是有一定的怎么说dependence dependence或者说
Speaker 1: 呃
Speaker 1: what important is [UNK] format of the ai或者说形态modality of the ai
Speaker 1: yeah if you think the ai is like a它是一个真的东西
Speaker 1: 如果你觉得它是一个真的的东西类似于一些机械方面的一些事情就像你说的机器人去扫地去do some cleaning or something else
Speaker 1: 可能它就做得不是很好而且你也觉得他未必也可以做得特别特别的好
Speaker 1: 但是对于一些呃虚拟的东西就as as you just mentioned like the lawyer yeah maybe呃他们可以就是做得很好但是这个实际上是有一定的
Speaker 1: 呃constraints
Speaker 1: 就是他必须在rule base的情况下就是你要有确定的rule去限制它这样的话嗯我觉得它确实可能会做得很好但是我觉得凡事有一个例外的吧就比如说像self driving car像
Speaker 1: 自驾自驾车那样自动驾驶汽车对然后它的其中一个disadvantage就是他太去遵守规则了
Speaker 1: 像比如说你前面有一个骑着自行车的人其实你可以
Speaker 1: 绕过去
Speaker 1: 但是maybe your car refuse to do that because it may obey the呃it it will be sorry it will break the traffic rule maybe
Speaker 1: yeah so is that introduce some inconvenience to you
Speaker 1: yeah
Speaker 1: 所以其实就是对于人来说像怎么说呢就是你觉得它做的有没有人好这个也要看就比如说他遵守交通规则肯定会做得比人好
Speaker 1: 但是去呃how to say break the rule to bring some con convenient
Speaker 1: to to bring some convenience
Speaker 1: 我觉得它可能不会比人做得更好不然的话我们如果说允许他们去break the rule那就乱了
Speaker 1: 嗯
Speaker 2: 嗯对对我其实挺挺赞同啊
Speaker 2: 就就关于设计算法方面
Speaker 2: 嗯可能你的模型
Speaker 2: 嗯是比如说你的模型适用于某一个area and you told the tell the ai to do something like this not to do something like this and the ai or robot will follow your [UNK] or whatever
Speaker 2: and if you tell them not not to呃break the rule and the robot will not break the rule and the car will not break the rule
Speaker 2: but so but for human嗯对于人类来说呃可能他们很灵活他们觉得这个时候我break the rule
Speaker 2: 嗯我就能够做得更好或者说我就能够更方便更便利更节省时间他们就可能会去尝试但是
Speaker 2: the the costs for breaking the rule maybe it's small it do it it's ok
Speaker 2: it's it's not uh it will not be bad for you and also for other people
Speaker 2: so um ok so maybe we go to another [UNK]
Speaker 1: yeah okay
Speaker 1: uh so let's talk about the other one which is uh child children [UNK] 孩子们应不应该用smartphones
Speaker 1: um对这个东西其实我小的时候when I was young I have some some experience because
Speaker 1: 嗯many of my friends has had smartphones but I don't
Speaker 1: yeah但是就是我觉得其实这个东西对于我来说也有好处啦
Speaker 1: 因为小的时候实际上你
Speaker 1: 嗯也没有太多需要去联系别人的地方
Speaker 1: if we just try to uh it's like set up a love relationship with some boys maybe I need the smartphone
Speaker 1: but if I don't [UNK] if如果我单身如果我并不想着去和别的男生交往只是想联系我的朋友的话实际上smartphone is not a necessary thing
Speaker 1: yeah i can use the phone in I mean at home 我可我可以用家里的电话
Speaker 1: 并不是很需要一定要用手机一定要用手机
Speaker 2: 嗯
Speaker 2: 呃和别人交往是一方面还有就是玩游戏 [UNK] which which I like
Speaker 2: 嗯so uh I I think uh one bad the
Speaker 2: one bad thing for using smartphone is like children will get addicted to the smartphone games video games
Speaker 2: yeah and uh it is very bad for their eyes for your study and maybe
Speaker 2: 他们可能会甚至还会去为了玩一个好游戏呢会去充钱然后就会浪费钱
Speaker 2: whatever which is which is bad
Speaker 2: 嗯
Speaker 2: but sometimes uh it is good because嗯you can use smartphone to呃查一些资料啊
Speaker 2: maybe [UNK] may maybe there are some a lot of software for you to [UNK] learn english like it's very convenient you can
Speaker 2: for example呃你你可能这个时候你你再比如说你用英语的单词书你去学英语的话
Speaker 2: 嗯你可能呃你遇到一个不不懂的单单词就是在那里做个记号但是一些软件它可以很方便的把它放到一个单独的地方然后你每次可以很方便地查阅你不会的一些词
Speaker 2: something like that
Speaker 2: but I think most of children will use it to play or to chat with girl or boy whatever
Speaker 2: and so so um and which is bad
Speaker 2: but
Speaker 2: um my concern is
Speaker 2: 嗯现在越来越多的人都用都在用smartphone
Speaker 2: 嗯很多小孩越来越多的小孩他们可能才小学几年级三四年级already have a smartphone
Speaker 2: what if my children don't have smartphone and
Speaker 2: [UNK] tell me oh daddy uh my classmate has already has smartphone they all have why I cannot have
Speaker 2: like that have to sometimes it's really yeah
Speaker 2: maybe uh uh我的孩子可能会有逆反心理如果不给他买smartphone
Speaker 2: 当时我其实个人觉得smartphone嗯it's like利啊弊大于利
Speaker 1: yeah I I think so yeah
Speaker 1: 但是就是说起利呢我觉得怎么说利也不是特别的必要的
Speaker 1: 因为呃as you mentioned that the convenience to have smartphone yeah that's the point but
Speaker 1: we all we we can also have like学习机电子词典yeah [UNK] electrical dictionary is that is that
Speaker 1: 呃so嗯所以我觉得就是嗯我们有那个实际上可以替代smartphone里面好的一些功能就是里面不是不可替代的
Speaker 1: 所以呃怎么说呢我觉得嗯利也没有那么的利但是弊是真的很弊
Speaker 1: 对这个是嗯我对这个事情的一个看法所以我们观点比较一致
Speaker 1: yeah we both think it's it's not a [UNK] necessary thing for the children to have smartphones
Speaker 1: yeah
Speaker 2: yeah so
Speaker 2: 呃it's it's round [UNK]
Speaker 1: it's ok
Speaker 10: okay so uh do you think do you think children should use smartphone now
Speaker 9: 呃
Speaker 10: 我认为还是
Speaker 10: 我可能过去就是在我们这个讲 [UNK] 而言smartphone并不是一个
Speaker 9: 很普遍的一个
Speaker 10: 一个现象
Speaker 10: 但是因为现在technology发展了嘛所以现在几乎everyone have have有一个
Speaker 9: 嗯smartphone然后即便是现在的小孩也有也也在用smartphone嗯
Speaker 9: 但是呃上上次我们和我们组的来自台湾的
Speaker 9: 朋友colleague也也也也讨论这样一个issue
Speaker 10: 在他在他们看来的话他们还是觉得很必要的因为他们他们的在他们
Speaker 10: 就是在现在这个generation台湾generation的话
Speaker 10: 呃几乎每个人都小每个child都有一个smartphone
Speaker 10: 所以他们的concern就是说如果大家都有almost everyone in the class have a smartphone然后except you的话你会觉得非常的alone你会被孤立
Speaker 10: 所以他们从mental issue的角度来看的话是需要smartphone的
Speaker 9: 但是呃但从我的角度来看的话
Speaker 9: 嗯
Speaker 10: 因为我有我有一个sister然后
Speaker 10: 我的sister也呃我也有一个nephew
Speaker 10: 然后nephew的我的外甥的话他现在正在读小学
Speaker 9: 呃目前的话他是没有呃smartphone的
Speaker 10: 因为
Speaker 9: 在我们那个城市的话
Speaker 10: smartphone似乎也没有特别的因为呃
Speaker 10: 大多数时间你在学校的话会有会需要上课
Speaker 10: 顶多就是课间去玩一玩手机但是现在我们我们并没有遇到像他那样的问题就是大家都有然后你没有的这样一种状况所以我觉得
Speaker 9: 目前来看的话我还是支持呃不要有嗯嗯智嗯smartphone因为
Speaker 10: 因为有smartphone的话你因为尤其是小孩子特别容易被一些东西给误导尤其是在他们没有甄别能力的时候
Speaker 10: 很容易很容易被一些事情给带歪了或者这样子所以我觉得没有smartphone的话我们会他们会在我们的control之下然后
Speaker 10: 呃第二点就是如果你玩smartphone玩多了话一个是影响你的这个呃学习study还有一个是影响你的eyesight就是影响你的视力
Speaker 9: 就是我觉得现在的近视程度是越来越高了就是现在小孩开始近视的
Speaker 9: 年龄也是become smaller and smaller所以
Speaker 10: 嗯如果能够不给他们手机的话这也是一种一种recipe
Speaker 10: yeah
Speaker 10: and uh i think uh you're right because look at four of us we both have uh glasses
Speaker 10: yeah
Speaker 10: 呃一个是影响视力肯定的就是我感觉啧手机是最影响视力其次就是学习
Speaker 10: 就你学习已经用眼很多了too much
Speaker 10: 但是说你还要看手机呢就是so tired so you maybe
Speaker 10: get近视
Speaker 10: 然后我是感觉就呃我小时候也是
Speaker 10: 我是初三的时候
Speaker 10: 刚刚有手机
Speaker 10: 然后但那个手机呢就是only for phone call
Speaker 10: not any game uh or something like that
Speaker 10: 然后基本上的话就是
Speaker 10: 看看看看有没有短信对吧当时小孩聊天嘛都短信然后还有就是打电话用
Speaker 10: 但是等到到了高中的话就大家就开始iphone四好像当时就出来了
Speaker 10: 对然后啧就大家就开始用手机然后就又去班班里有QQ群什么的
Speaker 10: 就是当时如果you don't have a smartphone maybe you are
Speaker 10: 对just like you said you're lonely
Speaker 10: and you're separated from the from the crowd
Speaker 10: uh so i think it's necessary
Speaker 10: yeah because at that time I I have already get glasses in my eyes is hurt so I think it doesn't matter呃and呃that's very important because呃some of us who don't have a smart phone they maybe
Speaker 10: 呃就是平常真的没什没话聊对而且当时高中吧大家压力都很大所以就基本上就是玩手机
Speaker 10: 但是现在我有个表弟也用现在是在读初中对然后他说他们班现在是都有都有这个smart phone
Speaker 10: 然后对平常但是不允许带到学校
Speaker 10: 就是他们只允许在weekend的时候然后回家玩
Speaker 10: 然后一样的就我感觉跟我们当时一样其实我们当时也管但只是大家都偷偷玩对然后就是在只是在学校玩的话就是只是在学校严禁的话在家里面玩我觉得也是可以的
Speaker 10: 因为这样的话就首先是we should have some time to relax and then呃we should have some time to focus on study
Speaker 10: yeah so我觉得这种这种方式是可行的但是我觉得小孩是肯定要有一个有一个是肯定的
Speaker 10: 对但是我也听说就是之前有个报道说Steve Jobs
Speaker 10: 他是不让自己的小孩接触任何这个electronic devices的
Speaker 10: 所以我觉得就因为他讲而且很多就是之前报道说很多成功人士都是不让自己小孩从小用手机的
Speaker 10: 因为他们可能也是有道理因为小孩还是应该多读书因为像如果长大了以后大家可能会被
Speaker 10: 很多事情去分散注意力就没法这么集中了所以我觉得还是应该珍惜小时候时间这也是一方面
Speaker 10: 对
Speaker 9: 嗯对我觉得你说的很对然后呃
Speaker 9: 对如果小孩子小的时候我觉得可能也不一定需要但是如果像到middle school啊high school的时候
Speaker 9: 就是当他们有自己的意识和自己自我认知的时候肯定是需要一个手机的所以我觉得我可能会采取一些措施比如说
Speaker 9: 怎么样去平衡你的
Speaker 9: play和study的时间比如说呃可以建立一种比如说我的想法可能是建立某种机制比如说
Speaker 9: 呃你每次考试然后达到某个分数我会给你一些credits然后当这些credits你可以用在周末去玩对你可以像这样打游戏一样你的分你的score越高你的你周末玩的时间越多然后你的
Speaker 10: 当你的performance开始下降的时候你你的credit变少了你周末也就不能再玩了我会我会去建议这种方式就是我可以允许你玩但是你会你可以你需要告诉我我会控制你的时间
Speaker 9: 嗯对然后
Speaker 9: 就是rest of the time的话你需要去study或者是我们可以organize一些outdoor activity啦对其实如果能有那种呃有点像是课程表的这种 [UNK] 然后就把自己的
Speaker 10: 每天时间都organize一下包括就会非常非常高效会就是说我们
Speaker 9: 就是play是allowed的但是要under control under就是你要学你要学会控制自己然后第二点就是我们要
Speaker 9: 用play的方式去motivate你去study
Speaker 10: 嗯
Speaker 10: 我觉得我是这种想法
Speaker 10: 对我觉得可以的然后再下一个问题的话就是呃就是之前我就不是去腾讯面试嘛
Speaker 10: 然后那个他们也问了一个问题就跟这个问题一样就是说呃你比较喜欢哪一种手机
Speaker 10: 就是苹果还是华为对对我觉得他这边不是问IOS or Android
Speaker 10: 对你你觉得怎么样苹果还是华为
Speaker 10: 呃我这这是非常的 [UNK] 的一个question就是因为
Speaker 10: 我个人是第一台手机是iphone四后来就用了iphone六s后来就一直在苹果的这个这个system里面所以我已经
Speaker 9: 这是我的habit已经跟苹果很相关了然后我就有的时候很难去transfer到就是去adapt到一个新的device里面
Speaker 9: 然后之前我在买这台ten s啊之前我也在考虑到底要不要用华为包括我的roommate也也suggest我去买华为他就说呃支持国产吧
Speaker 10: 嗯
Speaker 10: 但是当时还有一个新闻就是
Speaker 10: 是叫P三零pro吧
Speaker 10: 啊
Speaker 9: 当时的嗯新闻还是炒得很热就是就是
Speaker 10: 拍照
Speaker 10: 就是说拍照photo taking有多好多好多好然后我真的拿去去到深圳的那个store里面去看了一下拍了一下然后我我不喜欢i don't like it
Speaker 9: 所以compare to苹IOS的话然后因为在这之前我们出去玩的时候我用我
Speaker 9: 呃我们my friend的手机拿来拍了一下就是说
Speaker 9: 我感觉那个photo拍出来是非常非常pretty非非常非常nice的
Speaker 10: 但是
Speaker 10: 华为的手机我不知道是不是我不会用这个Android system然后我就拍出来的就很
Speaker 10: shit like a shit
Speaker 10: 所以我就
Speaker 10: 嗯我就对他的那呃啧
Speaker 10: 就是喜欢度就特别特别低
Speaker 10: 因为我也是一直用苹果
Speaker 10: 对但是就我爸妈都是用华为的就是都是用这个安卓也不一定华为有三星
Speaker 10: 对就我感觉啧三星它是一个比较
Speaker 10: 比较全面比较这种方便的一种系统因为它可以直接跟电脑连
Speaker 10: 然后你有什么东西就可以直接电导到电脑上然后包括有什么文件可以直接从电脑拉进去就像个usb一样
Speaker 10: 但是苹果感觉它是一个比较封闭的系统就包括这个macbook还有ipad和这个iphone它就自己形成一套体系
Speaker 10: 对然后有的时候我就想就之前嘛想导点东西到电脑上就是不大方便
Speaker 10: 对
Speaker 10: 然后但是我感觉就苹果用起来的话还是
Speaker 10: 就包括这个耐用性就用个几年都没事儿
Speaker 10: 然后还有就是这个
Speaker 10: 整个的操作系统都是真真的是比较方便
Speaker 10: 对uh so convenient so I also choose iphone and就之前为什么要选择这个Android的一个原因很大一部分原因就是
Speaker 10: 他有two two cards就是双卡双待
Speaker 10: 对因为就是来来Hong Kong了之后很经常你要用内地的号的话不大方便就需要换卡什么的对但是现在好像苹果也出了这个
Speaker 10: 对苹果也出了这个所以我觉得还是苹果比较好
Speaker 10: 然后back to the interview
Speaker 10: for [UNK] 呃他们就说就我当时的答案就是说
Speaker 10: 就我用我我比较向往的IOS但是我感觉就是华为是一个就政商界的成功人士这种大佬使用的对他maybe have some political meanings
Speaker 10: 对他就是一个政治正确的这么一个东西对而且他其实我感觉性能也不错反正对就是啧就这样
Speaker 10: 嗯还有一个方面我觉得一个是
Speaker 9: 为什么大家用华为的一个原因是说华为有很多的series嗯然后有很多的price range你如果就中国的就中国的average的salary而言的话
Speaker 10: 肯定还是用大多数人还是选择会用华为用华为的很多的
Speaker 9: 两千块钱就可以买一个比较呃good的手机了就是能够能够get的to most of your like the your functions and everything you need
Speaker 10: 所以这也是但是苹果的就starting price就非常非常高所以这也是一个一个门槛
Speaker 10: 嗯
Speaker 9: 然后至于你刚才说的呃你说I IOS比较封闭然后我觉得我还是蛮认同的呃其实封闭有它的advantage呃有它的有它的disadvantage有它的advantage比如说
Speaker 9: 你如果用苹果的macbook pro再加上你iphone或者你用ipad的话这之间的那个呃connection就非常的方便比如说我只用air drop就可以把我的相机呃
Speaker 10: 呃照片直接传到我的电脑里边然后互相之间的transfer也是非常非常的convenient的就是说但是假如说你说如果是一个呃windows的那个那个mac呃windows的那个laptop的话可能就会
Speaker 10: 传输就会比较很难比较很多很多很多遇到很多麻烦的问题对
Speaker 10: 对因为我的那个我笔记本是联想的所以说就会遇到这个问题就很烦
Speaker 10: 对是的会有这种问题
Speaker 9: 所以
Speaker 10: 对
Speaker 10: so呃next question
Speaker 10: next question呃就是你有没有看过很多就是科幻电影
Speaker 10: 就是比如说什么终结者啊还有这个黑客帝国之类的
Speaker 10: iron man呢钢铁侠
Speaker 10: 啊iron man对那也算
Speaker 10: 就是你有没有你觉得这个AI最后会
Speaker 10: 变得变得就是非常呃advanced的然后去统治dominate human being吗
Speaker 10: 对这是一个非常非常interesting的话题然后很多人也会关注还有人关注 [UNK] 就机器人的问题就说
Speaker 9: 机器的intelligence会达到一定的 [UNK] 或者是达进化到一定程度的时候它就会有自我的self conscious [UNK]
Speaker 10: 但我觉得这个是很扯的一件事情因为因为我们本身就在build的这些system嘛包括健身机器然后所谓的这些东西都太遥远了因为现在机器能
Speaker 10: 能做的或者是能做得比较好的其实
Speaker 10: 相当于是我们因为那些是是那些比较low level的一些功能比如说主要是在感知possession这块
Speaker 10: 就是如果是那些low level比如说像像是photo啊in face这些因为机器看到的是比较就是那些素点然后那些就是说
Speaker 10: 即便是狗啊猫啊他们其实也能认就是需要并不需一定需要人才能做但是像那一些比较高级别的一些reasoning的一些
Speaker 9: 呃一些任务的时候机器其实就很难很难这个包括现在的
Speaker 10: 研究就是希望能够在这些方面有所有所improvement
Speaker 10: 但是还是一件非常非常难的事情因为
Speaker 9: 嗯
Speaker 10: 因为机器就是
Speaker 9: 它其实
Speaker 10: 非常非常的
Speaker 10: 的naive就是
Speaker 9: 目前我觉得大家有点像是太over at estimate就是说我们的我们有一些improvement有一些进展有些progress但是还没有到那步
Speaker 9: 然后包括现在机器在能做得好的就是expection level然后
Speaker 9: 只要是
Speaker 10: 环境变化一点比如说之前老吹牛就是说什么face recognition啊或者在哪个地方能超过human performance的但其实那只是在限定域限定条件下的
Speaker 9: 但人人的话就可能能在更各种各样的复复杂环境下比如说在一些加了比较多噪声啊包括noise啊或者是在
Speaker 9: 一些很极端的环境下面的话人的performance依然会很很好但是机器的话就它会drop的特别快
Speaker 10: 所以他只是在限定域的限定的情况下它会比较好但是对
Speaker 10: 离真正的human intelligence和
Speaker 9: 和这个
Speaker 10: 真正能够达到
Speaker 10: 甚至是三岁小孩的那种程度还是非常非常遥远
Speaker 10: 对
Speaker 9: 然后
Speaker 9: 呃包括就是
Speaker 10: 像电影里面那种JARVIS的那种
Speaker 9: 这种 [UNK] system
Speaker 10: 嗯
Speaker 10: 其实是我们组研究的重点
Speaker 10: 哦
Speaker 9: 然后我们我们确实非常非常地希望能够做到这一点但是我们觉得这还非常非常遥远
Speaker 10: 就是它是一个long term的goal
Speaker 10: 嗯
Speaker 10: 能够做到当然我们如果有JARVIS然后你就blah blah跟他就 [UNK] 就直接用语音发command然后它能理解everything然后它能帮你做分析这个
Speaker 10: 太厉害了就是我们希望有一天真正能达到但是
Speaker 9: 从目前的practical的角度来看的话还是非常遥非常非常遥远
Speaker 9: 你呢
Speaker 10: 我是感觉我以前看这个 [UNK] 我觉得很近
Speaker 10: 因为之前不是有个AlphaGo吗AlphaGo不是那个play different [UNK] like
Speaker 10: 呃中国像中国围棋啊或者说象棋都能赢吗就我感觉这些都是比需要high intelligence的东西然后它能完成我觉得可能它的智能已经很高了
Speaker 10: 对然后啧我之前还一度比较担心这个但是听你说完就感觉还是我不是我们这代人该担心的事对
Speaker 9: 关于AlphaGo的话就是你下过围棋就知道其实围棋的话有点像是你在下每每一步之前你会做一个simulation
Speaker 10: 对
Speaker 10: 就是你会估计一下这个你下的好不好
Speaker 10: 嗯
Speaker 10: 但是这个好不好是非常非常确定的因为你就要不然就是输要不然就赢嘛就是这个结果是很确定的然后你的选择也是就那么就那么多
Speaker 10: 嗯
Speaker 10: 就是它其实和和就是很早之前什么深蓝吧deep blue就会就打败人类
Speaker 9: 因为那个是base比较小但是blue的话就是就 [UNK] AlphaGo的话因为这这围棋这个它的这个可选择的地方特别大它的它的base特别大
Speaker 10: 所以没有办法就是把所有的跑一遍所以它需要一些譬如说这个 [UNK] 包括这个 [UNK] 的东西在里面能够就是说估计出这个好不好
Speaker 10: 所以他的他他可能可以做的原因是因为它的
Speaker 10: base其实是固定的就是你可以算到一个虽然虽然说虽然说它特别特别大可以是说我们可能没有办法去simulation这么多东就是在有限时间里也没办法simulation这么多东西但是
Speaker 9: 但是他的还是他的整个的这个结果reward也是非常非常确定的整个的规则rule也是非常非常的固定的
Speaker 9: 对所以在这种环境下机器超越人类我觉得是迟早的事情就是只要是在这些比较
Speaker 10: 就是你可以去做仿真可以去做非常非常明确的规则然后去去去模拟这种环境下你就是暴力去计算就好了之前的遇到问题就是说
Speaker 10: 哦我们没有那么多的competition resources就是我们没有clusters of aGPU我们没有
Speaker 9: 这个呃good algorithm like you know快速quickly的非常非常quickly的把这个
Speaker 9: [UNK] 呃这个policy或者说叫就那种下棋的方法都用到
Speaker 10: 嗯
Speaker 9: 但是因为有那些deep learning啊跟AlphaGo出现的话就是我们之间algorithm我们都很快的学习到
Speaker 10: 怎么去下就是因为我们可以很快的去做simulation啊做做那些确定的一些因为
Speaker 10: 这个结果很确定就是他在这边 [UNK] 非常非常确定然后它的规则也很确定
Speaker 9: 所以我们可以 [UNK] 这件事情当然就是说它
Speaker 9: 它本身的achievement是非常高的但是大家有有点太过于
Speaker 10: 对因为因为不是可能就是从一个一个general的角度来看的话就是你不知道what happened behind所以你会觉得
Speaker 10: 他可能用了一些很神奇的东西但其实并没有太多神奇他就是做仿真就是他只是用了一些比较好的eristic和一些一些funding去估计更好的估计这样一件事情
Speaker 10: 懂了
Speaker 11: 你家里有没有用过那种smart啊什么speaker啊就是
Speaker 11: 那种智能音箱
Speaker 11: 你用的是什么牌子呀
Speaker 11: 嗯哼
Speaker 11: 我觉得就是这种这种什么AI speaker就是这两年特别特别的火然后去年的时候我就看那个百度它有一出一个叫做小度音箱然后他那个就
Speaker 11: 就是so called啊说自己定价定价几百几十几完了以后现在做活动你抢的话只要八十九就是你知道可以看出它那个成本其实非常非常的低
Speaker 11: 然后呢就是我当时是参加活动人家送的完了以后回家了以后吧
Speaker 11: 对回家了以后呢就体验就感觉现在的这个怎么说呢在这个content的方面和它就是就是那种
Speaker 11: 呃怎么说呢vocal recognition方面其实做的还是就是technology方面不是特别特别的达到我们的requirement
Speaker 11: 就是有的时候它的不能就是recognize你这个phrase是什么意思然后你的这个是具体地在refer to他哪一个音乐的名字呀它很多经常在
Speaker 11: 呃怎么说呢我老说它在耍智障
Speaker 11: 就是那种那种感觉你知道吗就是感觉用户customer experience并不是特别特别好现在
Speaker 11: 然后还有一个就是感觉怎么说呢很多都是在抢这个噱头它可能只是一个非常普通的蓝牙音箱然后它只能识别
Speaker 11: 就是你的一点点然后他就给你贴个标签说是你什么智能音箱
Speaker 11: 对然后我感觉那个使用体验就是它经常是被被像像什么这种什么qq音乐库啊那种什么百度音乐库啊然后呢都是在那个里头去抓内容的然后就其实content方面也是做得不是特别的好
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 嗯我感觉这好像叫做那个多轮对话功能
Speaker 11: 就是像比如说我们现在跟siri讲话你有的时候它比如说你问一句它答一句你再问一句它可能还是会base on之前那个 [UNK] content
Speaker 11: 但我之前使用那个那个小度音箱也是就是你必须得唤醒它然后跟他说只给一个指令
Speaker 11: 然后就感觉这个它的语言处理和这种理解方面还不不够智能对而且我之前还有遇遇见一个特别的就是啧
Speaker 11: annoying的一个一个现象就是它有的时候我没有叫它它就
Speaker 11: 就是说嗯我在听着就这种呢它就感觉
Speaker 11: 给我的一感觉就是一个是说它可能对一些就是noise的处理不是非常的好另外一个就是感觉它是不是listen to me all the time然后会不会就是
Speaker 11: 在privacy方面的那种concern比较多就比如说
Speaker 11: 它会不会就是
Speaker 11: 一直在记录着我说什么一直在没准还就是mark down我在说什么然后去可能我觉得company可能说
Speaker 11: 我把这个作为一个learning的一个一个一个process它不断地去understand your your your personal preferences然后去serve you better
Speaker 11: but
Speaker 11: 这其实对于customer来讲是一个privacy concern就是我没有一个明确的呃指示告诉你什么可以听什么不可以听什么时候你应该是嗯
Speaker 11: 听着我的指令什么时候你是完全要
Speaker 11: 就是
Speaker 11: 忽略我说的什么所以后来我爸就特别烦它
Speaker 11: 我爸就说那谁知道那个录了什么那个该听不该听的呀然后就就拔了
Speaker 11: 对
Speaker 11: 就感觉这还是一concern我觉得还有一个就是
Speaker 11: 之前聊到这种smart devices就比如说我们的这个手机
Speaker 11: 你有没有感受到就是有的时候你说就是你聊一些天儿的时候你再打开淘宝他有的时候会给你
Speaker 11: 弹出来
Speaker 11: 跟你那个相似的
Speaker 11: 就比如说我我们聊芒果它有时候弹出来就是那个你你上面的那种top display就是芒果呀什么的就是这还挺可怕的
Speaker 11: 就然后
Speaker 11: 对它在收集你的信息
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 然后好像说有一些function是可以把这些什么
Speaker 11: 那个收集信息关掉的但是我觉得就是
Speaker 11: 我感觉还还是挺concern的呢就是这些privacy方面的问题
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 嗯手机的话我是会 [UNK] 问siri就是weather是什么
Speaker 11: 然后问siri
Speaker 11: 哦你看现在就有siri
Speaker 11: 对他就会用这个siri会问一下非常basic的事情然后呢
Speaker 11: 但是我电脑好像没有试过因为我感觉
Speaker 11: computer最还是比较熟悉就是手打是最快的而且
Speaker 11: 我总感觉他如嗯
Speaker 11: 说if it's wrong then i need to like retype again so why waste time
Speaker 11: 然后我诶对了我想问你就是你的电脑那个camera你有没有挡住他
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 是吗
Speaker 11: 贴一个东西在上面
Speaker 11: 没有
Speaker 11: 我还是比较多同学那什么的然后我也就是
Speaker 11: 就是有的技术可以实现像我们的camera旁边不是有一个小的一个light嘛然后你要是平时如果要是嗯就是
Speaker 11: on camera的话它那个比如说会亮绿灯但有一些城市可以改成就是你其实是在录
Speaker 11: 但你的那个light是没有on的
Speaker 11: 所以说就
Speaker 11: 顿时怎么说呢就是一些疑心病比较重所以我就把它给打上了因为我之前看过一个电影就是说
Speaker 11: 有一个男的然后就是就怎么说在 [UNK] 屏幕面了面前做了一些不可告人之事吧但是被录下来了然后就被勒索啊什么的
Speaker 11: 对所以我觉得我大多数同学都会挡上
Speaker 11: 对
Speaker 11: 嗯就贴一个贴纸在上面嗯
Speaker 11: 我就感觉我学了这个
Speaker 11: 这学期学了一些privacy的东西以后就觉得啊
Speaker 11: 这个人变得我我觉得自己变得疑心重好重这感觉各种地方都
Speaker 11: 之前我们有说
Speaker 11: 就是呃你知道就是China government会implement一些devices在street上面然后去monitor它的citizens
Speaker 11: 对就比如说他的那些cameras
Speaker 11: 然后呢
Speaker 11: 我不知道这个东西现在也没有implement但是是说要建一个叫做personal credit system又或者personal [UNK] credit program意思就是说
Speaker 11: 你的personal的behavior会被记成就是是好的倾向的还是不好的倾向的然后比如说你这样你的话可以建一个你的personal portfolio就是这样的话government的可以看
Speaker 11: 你你那个这个人比如说因为如果你表现不好了可以说不给你坐高铁不给你那个什么限制你的出行啊什么的如果你好的话可以说比如说
Speaker 11: 你有利于申请你的哪些东西哪些哪些好处啊然后我就看着他举了一些examples就比如说
Speaker 11: 呃如果你buy alcohol就是在super market里面buy alcohol你的那个credit rate就会被降低
Speaker 11: 如果你就比如说呃做些好事啊或者说你及时的pay in你的你的tax啊或者什么的你的credit rate会增加
Speaker 11: 所以说就是我们当时上privacy课的时候老师就说其实现在是慢慢慢地在建立一些这种credit system就会去evaluate你的citizens
Speaker 11: 但这个时候就会想说你的privacy concern就是你的citizen是不是aware到你这个事情然后还有就是你citizens就是有没有权利去choose它会不会被valuate
Speaker 11: 对就感觉还是挺那个啥的
Speaker 11: 就现在没有没有说对
Speaker 11: 我这边还听就是怎么说呢就是
Speaker 11: 你有你会不会觉得就是technology未来会抢掉human的一些work
Speaker 11: 就是technology会跟
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 嗯对这点我确实是
Speaker 11: 这其实是一个我就是ibm面试的时候一个问题
Speaker 11: 就是他会问我们就是那个就是AI对于这个这个这个什么就是行业的冲击呀这怎么看
Speaker 11: 然后感觉他当时后来就是跟他们就是也做了一下分享然后那个面试官说的话确实很大 [UNK] 是这样你去怎么retrain你的worker
Speaker 11: 然后你是怎么样去就是reallocate your human resources
Speaker 11: 对就感觉还挺重要的但是
Speaker 11: 总感觉这个东西就是
Speaker 11: 总总会有先有人流血
Speaker 11: 对应该大部分的人对
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 嗯
Speaker 11: 但其实现在感觉
Speaker 11: 我我我当时就觉得
Speaker 11: 科技真的是
Speaker 11: 这是一个大的新的发展方向所以我当时才选的那个
Speaker 11: 这个专业就稍微
Speaker 11: 稍微去科普一下自己这方面的知识要不然像我之前学那个supply chain
Speaker 11: 就感觉如果你纯做logistics的话现在其实发展的方向非常的窄
Speaker 11: 因为你就比如说只是做大宗货货货运你天天就面对的是你的航航班怎么安排啊什么的
Speaker 11: 但是我当时在做的时候我的领导就会让我做一些帮助他们去upgrade他们system前期会收收集很多新的信息就感觉明显都是大家都go digital
Speaker 11: 然后大家都会有什么digital transformation呀然后什么IT什么system upgrade啊什么的这些感觉是比较后台都会有 [UNK] 的所以我觉得
Speaker 11: 就是读的这个专业稍微地转换一下思维
Speaker 11: 对但我也
Speaker 11: 但我也觉得就是technology is not always the key problem就是你怎么样去manage你的technology就是你会用到
Speaker 11: 就是那个适合的technology才会比较的那个什么
Speaker 11: 对
Speaker 11: 对因为我感觉就是现在科技发展总会有一帮特别顶尖的就是
Speaker 11: 像这种搞这种
Speaker 11: 对对对就是会把这个实现的
Speaker 11: 对就是感觉得前期确实得了解然后你知道怎么用
Speaker 11: 然后用完了以后会发现也许他并达不到我的requirements像刚刚那个小度音箱一样对
Speaker 11: 所以说就是long way to go呀
Speaker 14: um do you trust artificial intelligence
Speaker 14: of course i trust it
Speaker 14: i think it's really helping our lives and in mind在本科的时候嘛我看到有一个实验室they're working like brain
Speaker 14: brain and in love electronic and using AI to
Speaker 14: interpret the脑信号
Speaker 14: 嗯
Speaker 14: so they can help the people to
Speaker 13: data disabled to
Speaker 13: 就是来转那个轮椅
Speaker 13: 这是通过解释他的脑信号来知道他们想要往哪里走
Speaker 14: so that they can use the brain呃brain information to
Speaker 14: guide the wheel
Speaker 14: yeah
Speaker 14: i think it's really cool
Speaker 14: that's cool
Speaker 14: yeah这是真的有在帮助
Speaker 14: people就是有在帮助
Speaker 14: human life so i really trust it [UNK] but i think it's need to be
Speaker 14: 规范一下就是有一个standard to规范这个行业包括一些数据的使用因为
Speaker 13: it's it's easily to be abused so
Speaker 13: yeah
Speaker 14: but
Speaker 14: generally i trust artificial intelligence
Speaker 14: 嗯
Speaker 13: so do you think robots are better than humans
Speaker 14: um
Speaker 13: it depends i think on some aspect they are
Speaker 14: for example uh they
Speaker 14: deal with data is more efficient than human
Speaker 14: 嗯and because
Speaker 14: storage more information
Speaker 14: yeah
Speaker 13: 人人的记忆比较
Speaker 14: 有限
Speaker 13: yeah limits
Speaker 14: 嗯但是人也有比robot
Speaker 13: 强的地方就是
Speaker 14: 嗯人可以就是做出改变做出一些创新但是
Speaker 14: robot
Speaker 14: 嗯不可以他们只能就是follow human's rules
Speaker 14: what human want them to do
Speaker 13: follow the principle
Speaker 13: so i think it's good to [UNK] combine nation
Speaker 13: to work together
Speaker 14: 嗯
Speaker 13: what is your favorite smart phone
Speaker 14: i don't know but i like
Speaker 13: I like I actually like的ios system就是我觉得那个ios系统很好but
Speaker 13: 苹果手机is liked like a bit of over over prized有点品牌溢价有点高
Speaker 13: 嗯
Speaker 13: and华为is really doing a good great job these these years and it's making better like
Speaker 14: [UNK] photographs就是拍照更好然后it's like leica有莱卡的cameras
Speaker 13: 嗯
Speaker 13: so
Speaker 14: i don't think i i think on the system i like ios i prefer ios and but on the telephone
Speaker 14: i think apple is losing it to the [UNK] i think华为is doing better就是我觉得系统系统的话ios更好一点
Speaker 14: and what what's your favorite smart phone
Speaker 14: 嗯actually i I i agree with you i like ios system because
Speaker 13: 嗯即使你用了很久也不会出现卡机这种现象
Speaker 13: 嗯但是also it's a bit pricy so
Speaker 13: 嗯
Speaker 13: pricy a little [UNK] 高
Speaker 13: also and android that i
Speaker 14: 嗯定了个闹钟
Speaker 13: do you think [UNK] Google should use your location
Speaker 14: uh
Speaker 14: is
Speaker 14: i think the question is do I allow google to use my locations
Speaker 14: 呃
Speaker 14: sometimes uh if i want to get something uh nearby me or
Speaker 14: uh something need my location
Speaker 14: I would allow it to use but not always
Speaker 13: like it's used
Speaker 13: 就是每次使用的时候it asks for your permission
Speaker 14: uh
Speaker 14: yes
Speaker 14: uh normally I don't allow it to use but if i want to use their [UNK] 我就把它打开
Speaker 14: 嗯
Speaker 14: 前几天我看了一个电视剧
Speaker 14: 就是通过那个呃facebook的location来破案的
Speaker 14: 其实还是有点用
Speaker 14: 嗯但是
Speaker 14: 怎么说呢就是还是跟
Speaker 14: privacy有关的还是
Speaker 14: 谨慎一点好
Speaker 13: yeah they should respect people's privacy
Speaker 14: yeah
Speaker 14: uh so what about you
Speaker 13: I totally agree with you
Speaker 13: and so do you send a social media
Speaker 14: uh yeah
Speaker 14: I use uh before I come to Hong Kong i only use uh social media in mainland
Speaker 14: wechat
Speaker 14: and uh 微博
Speaker 14: 就是
Speaker 14: 嗯后来来了香港以后用了
Speaker 14: 呃开了facebook还有instagram
Speaker 14: 但是我觉得等回去以后
Speaker 14: 应该又用不上
Speaker 13: because of the wall
Speaker 14: yeah
Speaker 14: does social media is the feature for connecting people
Speaker 13: um yes some some some sort of
Speaker 13: i think it's just
Speaker 13: 就是人们在more and more using the
Speaker 13: 呃social media呃into而不是就是线下去见面butit also kinds of
Speaker 13: 啊beats the陌生人社交嗯It's kind of [UNK] so maybe in the future it will
Speaker 13: 呃就是提高陌生人见面的
Speaker 13: 程度然后可以降低陌生人交流的一个难度
Speaker 14: 嗯
Speaker 13: so it's
Speaker 13: it's gradually
Speaker 13: connecting people in different aspects i think
Speaker 13: 呃do you think it's becomes the place for hate speech
Speaker 14: hate speech oh that's
Speaker 14: that's horrible
Speaker 14: because
Speaker 14: 嗯
Speaker 14: 因为网络网络暴力现在
Speaker 14: 越来越严重了就是how to control嗯how to control people to express their themselves
Speaker 14: no it's not control it's not about control it's
Speaker 14: 嗯how to make people be responsible for what they said
Speaker 13: yeah so i actually agree with the实名制
Speaker 14: 嗯
Speaker 13: yeah but it's sort of it's said like
Speaker 13: in the western media it's like就是侵犯人权but
Speaker 13: 对对对
Speaker 13: it's actually is making making a regulations for the people to be responsible for their speakings so我觉得是还有用的一个东西吧
Speaker 14: 嗯支持实名制
Speaker 14: 嗯do you heard about the uh
Speaker 14: yeah yeah abusing cat
Speaker 13: yeah i i thought about that
Speaker 14: yeah everyone is talking about it but
Speaker 14: i think the girls
Speaker 14: 就承受了她
Speaker 14: 超过她应该承受的那个
Speaker 13: yeah yeah I agree with you yeah I think the he he is her
Speaker 13: personal information is posted in L G one
Speaker 14: yeah
Speaker 13: posted
Speaker 13: and someone just
Speaker 13: 的 [UNK] 真正的恶魔是将 [UNK]
Speaker 13: the the lies from the legal high I'd like [UNK]
Speaker 14: yeah and every
Speaker 14: all her information like uh linkedin profile and her name and her id
Speaker 14: is post online i think it's
Speaker 14: totally unfair to her
Speaker 13: it's a violation to her privacy
Speaker 14: although what he did what she did is
Speaker 14: 嗯
Speaker 13: she's doing something wrong
Speaker 13: it's it's true but you have to 就是你可以 [UNK] 一些法律行为或者说
Speaker 13: because i think
Speaker 13: 呃
Speaker 13: the girl是可能has a bigger [UNK] has violated the
Speaker 13: legal in the hongkong
Speaker 14: yeah
Speaker 13: 香港是有法律管这个事情
Speaker 13: yeah but she didn't did do it inHong Kong
Speaker 13: she [UNK] just make hate speech in the weibo and making the titles like Teng Xun and making the titles香港科技大学to
Speaker 13: 来造势用用title来造势i don't think it's really good behavior
Speaker 14: 嗯
Speaker 13: uh maybe she's
Speaker 13: 可能是因为情绪化的原因吧
Speaker 14: 对但是
Speaker 14: 其实她也可以理解
Speaker 13: yeah
Speaker 14: 因为
Speaker 13: but the outcome is就是结果很难去预测就是因为群体的力量太大了
Speaker 14: 对所以
Speaker 14: 网上的那些
Speaker 14: hate speech还是
Speaker 14: 需要实名制让他们来
Speaker 13: 对
Speaker 13: to be responsible for the
Speaker 13: 就是我觉得非
Speaker 13: 就是大家自由讨论时候可以like free speech we can talk about who's right or who's wrong的
Speaker 13: you can't就是just
Speaker 13: 辱骂别人you can't insult others
Speaker 14: 对
Speaker 13: it's not good
Speaker 14: 可能就是会毁掉别人的一生
Speaker 13: yeah that I think [UNK]
Speaker 13: I think it's it's really not good good thing
Speaker 14: I do agree
Speaker 13: yeah someone is doing this on purpose就是他故意去煽动一个言论去煽动这个hate speech我觉得大家就很容易被
Speaker 13: 利用He is making use of these um internet people
Speaker 13: because they are actually easily就是emotional就是很emotional就很情绪化然后大家又不用负责的话他就很容易被其实很容易被利用
Speaker 14: 对很容易被
Speaker 13: 其实真的很吓人的事情
Speaker 14: 真的很吓人想想那个后果感觉
Speaker 14: 就是远比他应该远比他应该得到的惩罚要
Speaker 14: 严重得多more severe
Speaker 13: yeah
Speaker 13: So should children use smartphone
Speaker 14: uh the question actually my my niece
Speaker 14: she start to use呃smartphone when she was
Speaker 14: three years ago and now she is
Speaker 14: ten
Speaker 14: i think it's really not good because she's really addicted to某音
Speaker 13: 某音
Speaker 14: yeah
Speaker 13: i think it's real it's something
Speaker 13: 就是也需要regulation去限制的 [UNK] because i think in the
Speaker 13: 呃the other app快手就是
Speaker 13: people all like
Speaker 13: young girls they are
Speaker 13: 就是
Speaker 13: 会发布一些堕胎的video
Speaker 13: in the early stages but it's restricted now but it happens in the early stages and还形成了一个风潮
Speaker 13: so people following to do that and they are happy that the have done the堕胎
Speaker 13: I don't know it's it's it's scary so i think it's needs to be regulated and also their
Speaker 13: time on these videos on these social media should be restricted
Speaker 14: yeah
Speaker 13: 就是有一些未成年人沉迷系统
Speaker 14: 嗯
Speaker 14: what is your favorite programming language
Speaker 13: I don't have favorite programming language but I used C plus plus a lot
Speaker 13: 就是c加加会用的比较多一点and
Speaker 13: I don't know what whatever you [UNK]
Speaker 14: I
Speaker 14: I don't have favourite language too
Speaker 14: I tend to use the java if i don't know what to use and also if it's about a data I use python
Speaker 14: yeah data processing and data cleaning
Speaker 14: 嗯
Speaker 14: what are the pros and cons
Speaker 13: pros and cons
Speaker 14: I think i am not capable to evaluate
Speaker 14: 嗯maybe python is more
Speaker 14: 简洁一点
Speaker 13: 它还有更多的封装库
Speaker 14: 对然后但是嗯java的话就会比较繁琐了
Speaker 13: 对的就是
Speaker 13: 空格you know alignments I don't know就是那个空格好烦啊因为it's you get to go wrong
Speaker 13: you know that was [UNK] by the time so you就是调那个调那个东西对我来说很难
Speaker 14: 嗯python里的吗
Speaker 13: python就是它不是就是它的他的loop都是那种空两格空两格
Speaker 13: 嗯嗯嗯
Speaker 13: 我的代码是非常messy的
Speaker 13: 就I don't like python
Speaker 14: should we ban
Speaker 14: all source of media for a better society
Speaker 13: I can't actually understand this question what what kind of media is it
Speaker 13: I don't think we we should ban media but because
Speaker 13: it's about信息对称就是you have to make some information open to the
Speaker 13: 就是大家让大家知道这些东西让大家去understand the information and understand what's happening now
Speaker 13: 但是这是maybe some information如果没有加regulation就出去的话很容易会引起一些
Speaker 13: 就是不好的understanding所以这是为什么需要装墙啊because in that sense there is a lot of
Speaker 13: 就是反政府言论啊
Speaker 13: and i think it如果就是没有
Speaker 13: 足够的理性critical thinking的人看到这个东西的话他会比较容易去产生一些
Speaker 13: 不好的政治行为
Speaker 14: 嗯对
Speaker 13: do you think some day people can immigrate to Mars or other planets
Speaker 14: um maybe anything can happen will happen um
Speaker 14: Mars
Speaker 14: other planet
Speaker 14: 呃我觉得呃
Speaker 14: 如果真的可以就是有适合居住的环境on Mars或者other planets的话也是一个
Speaker 14: 也是一个选择
Speaker 14: 看主要看环境怎么样吧就跟你选小区一样
Speaker 13: yeah I think maybe you people can but这是要看有没有一个place that's suitable for human beings like
Speaker 13: 就是the air the atmosphere
Speaker 14: yeah
Speaker 13: is important so
Speaker 14: 如果feasible的话我我觉得可以去的也可以减少burden on earth
Speaker 13: 对啊
Speaker 13: have you seen any like science scientific
Speaker 13: I don't know就是科幻作品
Speaker 14: 嗯嗯
Speaker 13: yeah there are some topics some events and
Speaker 13: but we we should really
Speaker 13: 呃cherish the environments就是珍惜我们现在拥有的环境而不是一味的去
Speaker 14: 对对对
Speaker 13: because it's I think it's just a second plan like就是for people就是如果未来真的
Speaker 13: environment恶化得很厉害的话就是我们可能需要immigrate to another place
Speaker 13: 嗯哼
Speaker 14: 嗯I think um
Speaker 14: 就是the purpose to go to immigrate to other planets is not
Speaker 14: 希望不是因为就是地球住不下去了就是所以要移民到别的星球而是因为就像就像去旅行一样
Speaker 14: 我偶尔去那边旅行一下或者我移民到那边然后偶尔回来看看这样子比较好
Speaker 14: 而不而不是因为我们pollute our planet and we can't live in it any more
Speaker 13: yeah I think so I think so like
Speaker 13: 嗯就是那个Alita就那部电影然后它就是其实底下就是已经被废弃了的一个城市
Speaker 14: sorry
Speaker 13: I know that that looks great and
Speaker 13: I think we should just就是珍惜我们的地球
Speaker 14: 嗯
Speaker 13: 嗯哼
Speaker 16: ok we choose technology
Speaker 16: and the first question is do you trust artificial intelligence
Speaker 16: AI are becoming more and more human like are robot better than humans
Speaker 16: um [UNK] I don't that trust artificial intelligence
Speaker 16: first of all
Speaker 16: uh
Speaker 16: ai这个东西它是garbage in garbage out
Speaker 16: 然后他这个这个黑盒子里的东西就是说呃我们没有办法控制它
Speaker 16: 这是我们不能说呃控制它的输出是什么我们只能通过改变它的input来改变它output
Speaker 15: 嗯
Speaker 16: 但如果是这样子的话我觉得嗯首先这个东西它的准确率没有人就是很难保证
Speaker 16: 我如果说是一个非常非常重要的东西的话我觉得我是不敢交给他或者说我至少要有人来double check对吧
Speaker 16: 那那那那如果这样的情况之下嗯既然已经我已经有个人要double check了我还要它干什么呢
Speaker 16: 然后然后至于就是uh robots are better than humans我觉得在一定的情况之下是ok的因为可能有一些环境之下
Speaker 16: 呃比如高温度特别特别高的地方或者特别特别干的地方或者比如说海底下就是压压压强特别大的地方
Speaker 16: 我觉得这个地方你用一些robots来替代人来工作是可以的因为因为你本来人也没办了办法去那个地方工作
Speaker 16: 所以就是它扩大了这个可以工作的空间那我觉得它总是件好事吧就是多总归比较好
Speaker 16: but but如果是让它来替代一些人很日常的工作我觉得嗯我觉得我还是更相信人一点
Speaker 16: 你觉得
Speaker 15: 我我也觉得我会更相信人但是我对这个问题的意见就是why not trust ai
Speaker 15: 因为呢
Speaker 15: technology is developing every day
Speaker 15: and it's actually很快那个他们的发展速度都是很快的然后我觉得五年之内ai会control our world
Speaker 15: 哦不是五到十年吧五年太快了但是我觉得那个ai的发展速度很快然后at one point it will be part of our life
Speaker 15: then rather than being suspicious towards ai why not just trust them cause after all ai is also something that we create human created right
Speaker 15: so yeah and i also think that robots are better to do work that human cannot do like deep under the sea or like desert or like even go out to the space
Speaker 16: 对就像你刚才讲的说你觉得ai会统治世界但是你都已经有这种想法了你为什么要trust他们
Speaker 15: 但是呢我觉得control the world it's a bit too far
Speaker 15: it's like
Speaker 15: ai will be part of our life in the sense that we have smart phone like 我们都有手机我们都都有电脑
Speaker 15: 那未来我们都会有一个ai
Speaker 15: 对ai会ai是is part of our life will be part of our life
Speaker 15: and if it is part of our life why not just trust it like do you trust your smartphone like你发信息的时候你会trust他会发信息给你的朋友对吧
Speaker 16: 对就是但是比如说我不知道你在国在别的地方会不会有这种像担心
Speaker 16: 但其实在美国也好中国也好我相信在世界各地你的所有信息都是被监控的
Speaker 16: 所以所以我们当你需要谈一些很敏感当然我我声明我没有什么很敏感的信息
Speaker 15: 啊真的吗
Speaker 16: no such
Speaker 16: ok trust you
Speaker 16: 但是但是
Speaker 16: 你真的要讲一些非常敏感的信息或者跟特别敏感的人有沟通的时候
Speaker 16: 你应该把这些所有科技的东西全部都拿掉
Speaker 16: 就是只能人跟人之间它才是真正在
Speaker 16: 那那其实我觉得smart phone is really powerful computer is power but AI is actually more powerful
Speaker 16: 那一个这么powerful的东西
Speaker 16: 他他他一定是一个双刃剑就是他用得好肯定是一个很好的手术刀
Speaker 16: 但是他如果被坏的坏人利用起来
Speaker 16: 那也是很可怕的一一个东西就
Speaker 16: 所以我觉得就是
Speaker 16: 嗯until
Speaker 16: 某一个什么部位或者某一个什么机构能够保证说
Speaker 16: 认证说某一个AI是ok的它是
Speaker 16: 符合fx的它是
Speaker 16: 它的整个学习方法把它输入的那些就是用来训练的那些东西都是好的
Speaker 16: 我觉得只有在这种情况之下我才能够敢去trust an artificial intelligence
Speaker 15: me you persuaded me ok let's move on
Speaker 15: 嗯what is your favourite smart phone which one is better than the other IOS versus android
Speaker 15: um其实我不太了解IOS和android的difference
Speaker 15: 我对我来说他们都是一样的东西所以
Speaker 15: 但是如果我要选which which smart phone my like
Speaker 15: I will say I like SAMSUNG
Speaker 15: 因为 I'm from Korea
Speaker 15: 如果要选smart phone的公司我会但是要选IOS或者android我
Speaker 15: 不能选择因为我就不知道它们的区别是什么
Speaker 16: 嗯
Speaker 16: 讲一下我我认识到的
Speaker 16: ios会更封闭一点
Speaker 16: 封闭
Speaker 16: 就是就是它的功能会比较少因为它不开放给其他的开发者去给他做修改所以说它的就是只有苹果公司能给你提供功能
Speaker 16: 那相比android它因为所有人都可以去修改它
Speaker 16: 所以就是有更多可以定制这是个性化的一些东西在里面
Speaker 16: 但是比我感觉比较慢吧就是
Speaker 16: 对但是会会比较慢或者说你必须要不停地去清理内存就that is很麻烦
Speaker 16: 对然后安然后ios我觉得就用起来会舒顺畅很多
Speaker 16: 但是我也没有什么preference其实其实我两个手机都在同时用
Speaker 15: 啊同时用
Speaker 16: 呃因为我在
Speaker 16: 做 [UNK] capital的时候那个时候我们经常要review一些新的startups
Speaker 16: 那这些startup他们常常在内地的话都是他们做一个 [UNK] neo application呃either on android or ios
Speaker 16: 所以我们在看这些项目的时候我们就必须要试用他们的产品吧
Speaker 16: 所以我会同时就是下载一个他的安卓version然后再下载一个ios version然后我就 [UNK]
Speaker 16: 对所以我我的我的那我的apple账户上面下载了各种乱七八糟的东西
Speaker 16: 就我觉得我觉得我觉得我觉得苹果公司肯定觉得我是个神经病
Speaker 16: 嗯
Speaker 16: 下一个问
Speaker 15: 下一个问题吧
Speaker 16: 呃should google be using your location
Speaker 15: 嗯
Speaker 16: the first
Speaker 15: OK
Speaker 16: 呃我觉得应该随时告诉我他在 [UNK] 在用以及
Speaker 16: 我应该享有我
Speaker 16: location的记录的所有权I mean
Speaker 16: whenever I don't want anyone know about this i can delete it from the cloud or这样我我我觉得得最好让我做到这一步我觉得ok我会比较放心
Speaker 16: 不然总觉得很危险
Speaker 15: 对对我觉得他们的用途their purpose of knowing my location i'm curious like
Speaker 15: if they are doing that to provide a more personal life service then i'm okay with
Speaker 15: but then if they are doing that for their own benefit i'm like um not really like what do I get from providing you my my my location right
Speaker 16: 但是我呃我觉得这可能是同时的就是它会以它会以说I I can suggest a restaurant around you and
Speaker 16: 来吸引你吗share your location
Speaker 16: 那但是他们之后如果就像我刚才说的他可能积积攒下来他会做更多的分析比如说这个人他经常在什么地方出现
Speaker 16: 那他可能会是一个什么样的人但我觉得如果他已经了解了这个程度我觉得非常的可怕
Speaker 15: 对
Speaker 15: 我也觉得
Speaker 16: 对所以所以我我时常是关掉
Speaker 15: gps
Speaker 16: ps但只有当你打开地图或者其他的时候才才才才打开gps
Speaker 15: 对对
Speaker 15: do you use any social media
Speaker 15: does social media is the future for connecting people or it becomes the place to for hate speech
Speaker 15: 我现在用facebook instagram wechat whatsapp and kakao talk
Speaker 15: 然后我觉得
Speaker 15: yeah for connecting people is good
Speaker 15: but then for interacting with people 那我也那我不太清楚
Speaker 16: 我其实主要就是用WeChat
Speaker 16: 嗯为主其实因为我other council我我当然也有
Speaker 16: 然后但是我基本上不更新就是不会不会在上面发消息因为可能我我跟我熟悉的人更多都是在WeChat上而且
Speaker 16: 我我因为我我知道有一些人他们是在WeChat上的那个moments他们发一遍然后一样的文字一样的图片然后再在Facebook上发一遍我觉得我觉得就好麻烦而且会让我觉得说这个人是
Speaker 16: 还ok了他可能有两边都有很多朋友啦但是我就会觉得这件事情让我觉得特别麻烦所以我会觉得说如果将来有一个什么软件能让我在那个上面发然后同步到两边我觉得ok
Speaker 16: 那我会很很愿意用但是现在的话我就只愿意发一次咯
Speaker 15: 嗯
Speaker 16: 对然后
Speaker 16: 呃跟我觉得跟同学交啊跟别人交流是
Speaker 16: 非常对的确有实现这个功能因为经常其实莫名其妙的就有一些小学同学然后加过来然后我就
Speaker 16: 很开心又能找到他了因为可能你可能生活真的是再也不会有交集的但是好歹这个这个social media或者这个social network
Speaker 16: 还是可以让我们莫名其妙的就就联系到一起然后
Speaker 16: 其实我觉得哪怕你们将来也并没有什么合作哪怕可能
Speaker 16: connect之后也就connect了也没有足够的交流但是
Speaker 16: 这种感受或者说诶我会会让我觉得还挺好的然后关于那个
Speaker 16: the place for hate speech
Speaker 16: 我觉得会有啦其实但是它会不一样就是我们当时在我跟我同学有讨论过这件事情就是因为there are so much these applications
Speaker 16: 你可能在WeChat moments上面发的是可以给你老板看的内容或者给你朋友看的内容
Speaker 16: 你在instagram上发的可能是其他的内容就是like your totally different personality on different platform
Speaker 16: 所以我觉得可能它就会有一些这些platform就让就是就是就是接收了这些negative的信息那我觉得
Speaker 16: 没有什么不好的其实
Speaker 15: 对
Speaker 16: 对我觉得因为每一个有理智的人他是会维护自己的形象的那我相信
Speaker 16: 很多正常的人在facebook上是不会乱乱说话
Speaker 15: 对对
Speaker 16: 对你在we WeChat上也不会乱说话乱说话
Speaker 16: 所以我觉得当正常保保证了一些正常的讨论的空间然后也有一些一些一些network来让我们
Speaker 16: 只倒垃圾情绪垃圾我觉得这样很好啊
Speaker 16: 对
Speaker 15: 对诶呦
Speaker 15: 嗯哼
Speaker 15: if it doesn't harm us then you know why not express your hate
Speaker 16: yeah
Speaker 15: but then i feel like like connecting with with people that part is half and half
Speaker 15: because it is true because of social media我可以跟在海外的朋友或者在海外的妈妈爸爸
Speaker 15: 联系但是问题就是我跟我我我旁边的朋友们也是用来social media来联系的
Speaker 15: 然后这个现象越来越严重like
Speaker 15: I think it order the more I depend on social media to跟别人交通
Speaker 15: 对所以我觉得at some point we wil forget how to communicate person to person
Speaker 15: because we're so used to expressing our emotions is are so used to communicating using using social media
Speaker 15: but like when I meet my friend after like one week like face to face I'm like
Speaker 15: hi um let's go back to follow you know you know what I mean right对我觉得这时候会
Speaker 15: 这个是一个问题对
Speaker 16: 我我跟我室友经常就是他在那个房间我在这个房间然后我们也不说话就直接
Speaker 16: 我们就用表情用emoji
Speaker 15: eh hum
Speaker 16: 对吧然后然后然后于是乎正常表达都无法表达就是就直接发一个
Speaker 16: emoji过去对是的所以
Speaker 16: 就你我觉得也会让我们的沟通能力退化了其实
Speaker 15: 对对
Speaker 15: only when i feel like as a human being interacting with another human being是很是个很重要的事情因为对我们
Speaker 15: mental health来说我们是跟其他人一起沟通来长大的嘛
Speaker 15: 然后because of
Speaker 15: social media we do the less and less it makes like before asking how are you like when I meet a friend is the common thing是很经常的 [UNK]
Speaker 15: 如果我跟我朋友见到的时候我们就第一句话就是how are you
Speaker 15: 但是现在呢如果别人问我how are you我不知道怎么回答um I'm ok I'm fine you know what I mean yeah
Speaker 16: yeah
Speaker 15: 嗯
Speaker 15: should children use smartphone
Speaker 16: uh
Speaker 16: what do you think
Speaker 16: I don't think children should use smartphone
Speaker 16: uh especially children
Speaker 16: 我把children会就是在我的大脑海里面我觉得children应该是
Speaker 16: 小学及以前都算children
Speaker 16: 我觉得从初中开始可以算teenager
Speaker 15: 嗯那小学一到六年级都是children
Speaker 16: 我可能愿意切到四年级
Speaker 16: 我觉得在在这之前其实
Speaker 15: 嗯
Speaker 16: 嗯
Speaker 16: 嗯我可能是偏见啊can be但是我觉得那个时候小朋友还不知道是特别的不知道自己想要干什么
Speaker 16: 但是smartphone他功能太强大了
Speaker 16: 所以
Speaker 16: 他们可以上网他们可以呃用各种applications
Speaker 16: 然后他们可能会被很多不同的人触及到
Speaker 16: 然后就就我觉得是一件非常危险的事情就我我我我其实这个人非常I非常against
Speaker 16: 非常powerful的technology to不是那么强的人
Speaker 16: 我觉得这种事情都很危险所以我觉得可能四年四年级之后
Speaker 16: 呃当学校的教育然后the parents also taught taught them you know you can't speak with strangers
Speaker 16: you can't go
Speaker 16: out too early and don't come back
Speaker 16: I think所以当他们人的生活有了一定的规则的时候我觉得这是至少它避免了一部分非常危险的事情因为
Speaker 16: if you have a you know friend on maybe QQ and you don't know him
Speaker 16: and他突然说你来什么maybe去中环一下吧
Speaker 16: 我觉得我们这个时候可能会在我们这个年龄that's okay
Speaker 16: 但是我们是知道如果你只有四年级的话you can't do that
Speaker 16: 嗯对
Speaker 16: 那我觉得至少得他们学会了说我们不能做这些事情我们才能给他这个powerful的工具去玩
Speaker 15: 对我也我也agree
Speaker 15: 但是我觉得如果if we can limit the功
Speaker 15: if we can limit smartphone's 功能
Speaker 15: 那我们应该可以let let children用smartphone的因为呢现在如果你看的话
Speaker 15: both爸爸和妈妈都工作那然后工作到很晚但是小学呢就是到五点就放学了嘛
Speaker 15: 那五点到爸爸妈妈回来家的时间有个空
Speaker 15: 那把对我来说如果我是妈妈的话我会担心但是如果我的孩子有smartphone可以跟我一起沟通的话我会比较安心一下
Speaker 15: 所以I think it's really up to the
Speaker 15: up to the smartphone的功能
Speaker 15: 如果我的smartphone呃如果我孩子的smartphone没有那个可以上网啦那些但是只有可以跟我来通话的话就可以
Speaker 16: 所以我们会希望有一个children's smartphone的产品专门拿来用
Speaker 16: 我觉得可以
Speaker 15: 嗯
Speaker 16: 差不多了
Speaker 15: 差不多了
Speaker 18: 我嗯我觉得提到education
Speaker 18: 我想问你一个
Speaker 18: 你有没有玩过中国式家长
Speaker 18: 对呀
Speaker 18: 听过吗
Speaker 18: 好吧
Speaker 18: 这个
Speaker 18: 哦啧嗯没关系那个
Speaker 18: 我觉得we have the same background就是都是从
Speaker 18: 中国实际上的环境下面成长起来的
Speaker 18: 对homework肯定
Speaker 18: 有很
Speaker 18: 呃
Speaker 18: 其实刚刚从你的名儿当中也听出来的
Speaker 18: 你的高三跟我高三其实差不多
Speaker 18: 嗯第一个问题
Speaker 18: 是对于ban homework
Speaker 18: 我觉得这个要分阶段
Speaker 18: 就是嗯
Speaker 18: When you are in when you are in the primary school
Speaker 18: junior school
Speaker 18: 这时候作业可以有
Speaker 18: 因为那个时候
Speaker 18: 嗯study pressure还不是很大
Speaker 18: 但是我我觉得
Speaker 18: 特别是高三那段时间应该让我们自由
Speaker 18: 自由地复习
Speaker 18: 所以
Speaker 18: 所以那个时候
Speaker 18: 最好是不要留个人留家庭作业比较好
Speaker 18: 自由复习之类的工作
Speaker 18: 对没错非常认同
Speaker 18: 但是现在好像没有改观
Speaker 18: 我们也是
Speaker 18: 所以我们没有享到这样的我们没有享受到这样的待绿待遇跟福利
Speaker 18: 这个问题已经很多人问过我
Speaker 18: 你我觉得你们更你们更想知道是为什么不在国内读研究生要跑到香港来读研究生
Speaker 18: 这显而易见嘛
Speaker 18: 这边
Speaker 18: 的国际环境更好啊
Speaker 18: 那你
Speaker 18: 而且我也而且我非常喜欢这样open的文化
Speaker 18: 氛围
Speaker 18: 这种在除非你在北京或者上海才有可能接受到这种
Speaker 18: 来自嗯foreign culture
Speaker 18: 的
Speaker 18: 的那种
Speaker 18: 什么来着渲染不是
Speaker 18: 熏陶什么的
Speaker 18: 对
Speaker 18: oh my home is in Shenzhen so it's very near
Speaker 18: my home
Speaker 18: This the main reason
Speaker 18: uh yes
Speaker 18: did distance is the
Speaker 18: almost the main reason why i choose Hong Kong
Speaker 18: 嗯明白你意思
Speaker 18: 所以你所以你应该是一方面有
Speaker 18: reason come from parents and一方面reason come from career
Speaker 18: ok
Speaker 18: 嗯你在这边有
Speaker 18: 有那种
Speaker 18: 嗯怎么说呢
Speaker 18: 是是氢气之类的东西啊
Speaker 18: 昂
Speaker 18: 你有没有觉得one year有点短
Speaker 18: 嗯
Speaker 18: 哦
Speaker 18: 特别是在我们这种二十出头的年纪
Speaker 18: 用一年的时间换三年的
Speaker 18: 嗯master degree更划算一点
Speaker 18: 是的
Speaker 18: 那看来你也是
Speaker 18: 也喜欢那种
Speaker 18: um
Speaker 18: 有国嗯那种更加open的
Speaker 18: ok
Speaker 18: 就想体验新的不同的生活
Speaker 18: 对这也是我来
Speaker 18: 这也是我选择这边的
Speaker 18: 另另外一个原因啊
Speaker 18: 我认识两三个local吧
Speaker 18: 最大的好处就是他们可以教我cantonese
Speaker 18: 深圳很多都是外地的移民啊
Speaker 18: 你不知道吗
Speaker 18: 就每当节假日的时候深圳这边的几乎就是一座空城
Speaker 18: 大家都回自己的家乡去了
Speaker 18: 我们也差不多
Speaker 18: 嗯但是这并不但是我说实话过去几年用的粤语用在大陆用的粤语用的并不是很多
Speaker 18: 嗯真是吗
Speaker 18: mandarin english cantonese altogether都一起用
Speaker 18: 所以有时候我有想问他问请问我的local朋友
Speaker 18: how to say this in cantonese他们就会告诉我
Speaker 18: 然后就get到啦
Speaker 18: 这样就
Speaker 18: 我觉得有他们的帮助能够加快自己对在本地的那种融合
Speaker 18: 应该更小大概
Speaker 18: 你猜一下
Speaker 18: 还可以再往前
Speaker 18: 大概两千年吧两千年左右吧
Speaker 18: 应该是零一还是零二啊
Speaker 18: 嗯
Speaker 18: 说吧
Speaker 18: 你们哦
Speaker 18: 那个其实你应该能从你的问题里面就应该
Speaker 18: 明白深圳的校服这一个短语本来就有点矛盾
Speaker 18: 校服肯定是一个学校的啦
Speaker 18: 但是他们居然会经常说深圳的校服
Speaker 18: 这就说明
Speaker 18: 全深圳的学校都穿一样的校服这是真的
Speaker 18: 从小学一直到高中
Speaker 18: 没有logo logo是
Speaker 18: 嗯
Speaker 18: 那个logo
Speaker 18: 是深圳市统一制定的logo
Speaker 18: 嗯没有
Speaker 18: 那个logo我我忘记长什么样子了反正
Speaker 18: 它有两套one suit for summer one suit for winter
Speaker 18: 哎你觉得很好看吗
Speaker 18: 我觉得很一般
Speaker 18: 不过现在可能变好了
Speaker 18: 校服是吧
Speaker 18: 质呃质量还不错
Speaker 18: 怎么说呢
Speaker 18: 就比起
Speaker 18: 呃
Speaker 18: 其他的校服来说
Speaker 18: 质量真的蛮好的
Speaker 18: 穿的时候没什么感觉
Speaker 18: 就是你知道吗就是
Speaker 18: 我去别的城市
Speaker 18: 啊旅游啊之类的东西的时候
Speaker 18: 就看到说诶
Speaker 18: 怎么中学生穿这种衣服
Speaker 18: 诶怎么那些人穿那种衣服
Speaker 18: 对其实就是我去别的城市旅游的时候才发现