Speaker 1: 呃子涵那我们刚刚
Speaker 1: 进行过了自我介绍虽然是yesterday的时候不过
Speaker 1: 嗯very happy to see you
Speaker 1: 嗯接下来其实我比较喜欢谈论一下关于education的话题
Speaker 1: 因为就是嗯我选的一个
Speaker 1: 就是我不知道你有没有这样的experience就是
Speaker 1: 呃when we are in the senior high school
Speaker 1: we always want more holidays
Speaker 1: right but呃but actually
Speaker 1: not
Speaker 1: most of how how to say
Speaker 1: 就是不我们不是每一个人就是拥有的假期都是一样的it's difference in different city
Speaker 1: also in different senior high school
Speaker 1: so呃我对这个问题实际上很curious
Speaker 1: 对所以我希望跟咱们聊一咱们聊一聊
Speaker 1: 这个这个topic
Speaker 1: 嗯就拿我的经历来说吧
Speaker 1: 呃in my senior high school
Speaker 1: we have a lot of holidays
Speaker 1: it's like呃on Saturday and Sunday we usually don't have classes
Speaker 1: 所以就是我们一般
Speaker 1: 对周五周周六周日都是不上课的
Speaker 1: and also force on weekdays
Speaker 1: 嗯我们有的时候就是会有一个叫体博课的东西实际上算是一天中
Speaker 1: 小小的放假就是we can do everything we want
Speaker 1: 就是这种这样的一个东西所以其实我觉得还是
Speaker 1: 挺好的
Speaker 1: 嗯so what about you
Speaker 2: ok 所呃所以我的假期啊跟你还蛮像的
Speaker 2: 呃on weekend we我我们可以可以放假
Speaker 2: 呃
Speaker 2: 一般来说一般来说指高一到高二
Speaker 2: 呃on weekend
Speaker 2: 我们肯定能放假
Speaker 2: 呃当然但是到了高三我记得我那一届
Speaker 2: 呃sometimes we can sometimes we can not
Speaker 2: depends on the teacher
Speaker 2: 呃sometimes呃they'll organize the event
Speaker 2: or take the exam on weekend
Speaker 2: 嗯
Speaker 2: 但是但是关于我那个学校后来后来几届的学生
Speaker 2: 嗯他们到了周末基本上都要上课
Speaker 2: 呃我记得是周日只有一天假
Speaker 2: 就半天假还是一天假
Speaker 2: 所以
Speaker 2: 呃感觉
Speaker 2: 我觉得还是呃就我而言我还是喜欢更多的假期
Speaker 2: 关于其他的
Speaker 2: 呃假期正常的假期就是五一十
Speaker 2: 五一劳动
Speaker 2: 或者是国庆节
Speaker 2: holiday should be the same
Speaker 1: I呃
Speaker 1: en yeah I also think so but for some of my friends
Speaker 1: you know
Speaker 1: for some friends in the smaller city
Speaker 1: because嗯我高中实际上是在大连念的it's a big city big [UNK] um big city nearby the seashore
Speaker 1: 嗯所以
Speaker 1: 嗯好像就大家
Speaker 1: 教育局对这个control的比较严一点
Speaker 1: 但是好像在一些smaller city such as my my friend's city
Speaker 1: 嗯他们他们的他们基本上是没有周末的
Speaker 1: 就是Saturday和
Speaker 1: 呃
Speaker 1: 和那个就是周日的上午
Speaker 1: 他们都是要必须要上课的
Speaker 1: 而且他们大概率
Speaker 1: 呃
Speaker 1: will have examinations on weekends
Speaker 1: 所以实际上他们挺stressful
Speaker 1: but
Speaker 1: i used to
Speaker 1: 嗯
Speaker 1: how to say我之前觉得
Speaker 1: it's not good it's not good at all because we we don't have time to rest
Speaker 1: but
Speaker 1: 高考的时候
Speaker 1: 他们我的朋友考上了清华university
Speaker 1: so at that time I really thinks oh I should have more class I should have less holiday
Speaker 1: so it's um
Speaker 1: I don't know what to say is however it's a good thing to have more holidays
Speaker 1: 在就是在在高考之前但是呃高考之后有的时候会
Speaker 1: a little bit regret to have more holidays
Speaker 1: 嗯
Speaker 2: 我个人感觉in my opinion
Speaker 2: I see呃for some students is better for them to呃have more classes
Speaker 2: because I think students most students are lazy
Speaker 2: maybe I'm not no most I think可能有一部分的学生他们比较懒
Speaker 2: 他们如果没有在周末要上课的话他们可能就就play video games or whatever
Speaker 2: 但是对于对于一些比较自觉的学生
Speaker 2: 可能可能有好处可能也有坏处
Speaker 2: 呃好处的话就是因为因为一般周末周末他们上课的
Speaker 2: 我听说上课比较少很多是拿来考考试
Speaker 2: 对于我对于我高中的那个学校
Speaker 2: 然后考试的话有助于他们自己巩固知识
Speaker 2: 嗯查漏补补缺知道自己哪一些薄弱的地方哪一些
Speaker 2: 就是就就就各种你可以知道你自己的问题
Speaker 2: so嗯for呃I think this in this case for all students that呃it is good for them
Speaker 2: but sometimes呃for me I will feel呃
Speaker 2: 啊how to say I I don't like it I really don't like it I don't like exams
Speaker 2: so
Speaker 2: 嗯I think sometimes呃maybe more exams may not be very good
Speaker 2: maybe just take a few exams is enough so呃用周末来来休息呃
Speaker 2: 或者说也不是休息就是不是完全的休息我们还是会自己再做一做练习再巩固一些知识
Speaker 2: 这样子的话也未必是一个坏事
Speaker 2: 可能你能考上清华的朋友就算他们周末不要上课他们一样能考上清华
Speaker 2: 他们只是自己更自觉然后花了更多的时间
Speaker 2: I do homework啊study啊whatever
Speaker 2: that's my opinion
Speaker 1: 对呀so what do you mean is that
Speaker 1: it is my [UNK] 呃how to say我的命运
Speaker 1: for I cannot go to清华university for my whole life
Speaker 2: 嗯不能这么说也可能是高考没有考好
Speaker 2: 呃但是我不得不说我不知道你的朋友是怎么样有一些人真的是很有天分
Speaker 2: 他们他们注定就是会去清华除非就是高考真的考砸了
Speaker 1: 是的some of my friend is like that they really efficient
Speaker 1: and really
Speaker 1: they didn't work hard but
Speaker 1: 就是考得很好
Speaker 1: 好气人的
Speaker 1: 嗯
Speaker 1: 所以现在
Speaker 1: 七分钟过去了我们要不然讨论一下下一个话题
Speaker 2: okay so呃about the topic two
Speaker 2: 嗯I'm always thinking if it's the right choice to pursue phd because now I'm in the first year of phd
Speaker 2: and during my undergraduate study I never ever think about pursuing phd that's the last half year or last year I think
Speaker 2: 嗯because I got the phd offer
Speaker 2: 呃我一直在考虑要不要要不要接下这个offer
Speaker 2: 呃because at that time I cannot choose呃may I should not say I cannot I cannot
Speaker 2: maybe I not able to
Speaker 2: choose a very good lab in my UG and I cannot to get the呃go to [UNK] university
Speaker 2: so since I already have this offer I think
Speaker 2: 可能我就试一试读phd然后但是因为
Speaker 2: 我觉得可能对于很多人的心理来说就是你一旦已经接受了一个东西你就会尽量去想着
Speaker 2: 好的方面也不会去想坏的方面
Speaker 2: 所以经过这一些自我调调理自我思考感觉phd maybe
Speaker 2: maybe it's a good choice for me
Speaker 2: so呃but I'm not sure because i think um if you have a master degree maybe it's good
Speaker 2: 嗯because for somebody呃they are good at engineering
Speaker 2: or whatever maybe they do want they want to do project instead of research
Speaker 2: so嗯
Speaker 2: for me I think both are ok
Speaker 2: what do you how about you
Speaker 1: 嗯
Speaker 1: if you say that you're not
Speaker 1: suitable for a
Speaker 1: um actually do PhD
Speaker 1: i don't believe it because you do better job than me
Speaker 1: 呃我啊就是
Speaker 1: for me I decided to be a PhD from four years ago
Speaker 1: 啊所以我很早之前就在计划
Speaker 1: actually i should be well prepared for it
Speaker 1: but i didn't do a good good work I think
Speaker 1: 嗯所以说我觉得首先
Speaker 1: 既然我们选择了一定要有信心然后我说一下我为什么觉得要读PhD
Speaker 1: 就是在我的价值观里在我的value里面我觉得
Speaker 1: [UNK] extreme things are good
Speaker 1: 就是我觉得你如果你人生在世你无法将一个东西了解到一个极致的话那么你这个人存在的意义就是不完整
Speaker 1: 对这是我对于我来说的一个东西吧
Speaker 2: 嗯呃那我的问题是你觉得读了PhD就能把这个问题做得很好就是
Speaker 2: 你有可能是当然
Speaker 2: 可能对你来说你想
Speaker 2: 嗯定了一个方向之后你一直想做这个
Speaker 2: you want to keep working for this topic maybe
Speaker 2: and after the graduate you also want to do this
Speaker 2: so maybe you can do it very good you can be an expert in this area
Speaker 2: 呃
Speaker 2: 但我觉得有很有可能你会换一个方向你不得不换一个
Speaker 2: maybe sometimes artificial intelligence is not hot
Speaker 2: not popular and you have to change because no you cannot get funding
Speaker 2: for AI project
Speaker 2: 所以have to change
Speaker 2: 呃
Speaker 2: 但是我觉得你说的也有道理有一些人确实喜欢把一件事情做好就是既然我做它了我既然我
Speaker 2: 呃既然我已经在这个领域里面有了一些研究呃we should not give up maybe we keep doing this we make it better
Speaker 2: because if you just do a master maybe just do a few research about a topic and then you you graduate and then you don't do it you go to company you do other project
Speaker 2: so呃如果你是一个phd你可能会
Speaker 2: 呃更多的去钻研一个东西可能你会喜欢上它
Speaker 2: 可能你会
Speaker 2: 呃做的更好但是
Speaker 2: 嗯关于极致的问题我可能不是很赞同就是
Speaker 2: 首先你就算一生都在做它你未必能做到极致
Speaker 1: 嗯yeah actually I think so but呃maybe my
Speaker 1: how to say my expression is not accurate
Speaker 1: yeah it's that because I say in English I should say in Chinese
Speaker 1: 呃呃我是觉得就是你
Speaker 1: how to say
Speaker 1: something you pursue it for your whole life
Speaker 1: is that呃even though you're not a phd you're just a master or bachelor
Speaker 1: 嗯你去做一件事情你要就是
Speaker 1: such as you find a job and you do this kind of job for your whole life
Speaker 1: for your for your whole career
Speaker 1: life so
Speaker 1: 也都是在你用一辈子的时间就是追求一个东西
Speaker 1: but for for companies if you do the management
Speaker 1: 嗯it doesn't like the you do something about the [UNK] about the science
Speaker 1: it's totally different things
Speaker 1: so在公司里面更像是和人去追求人与人之间关系的一个机制
Speaker 1: 但是对于我来说啊it's too complicated so i prefer some poor things I I prefer some simple thing
Speaker 1: simple things it's like for example做科研
Speaker 1: 这种东西对我来说就是可能稍微简单一点的
Speaker 1: 这种东西只是说你去嗯for your whole life你你去pursue一些什么什么东西嗯
Speaker 1: 我觉得可能
Speaker 1: for p between people and science I prefer science
Speaker 1: so that's why I choose to be phd
Speaker 2: so呃for me I think why phd is good maybe呃
Speaker 2: phd能给我带来能为我之后的职业规划
Speaker 2: 奠定一个更好的基础
Speaker 2: I really don't think I like do research
Speaker 2: 嗯I have to do research sometimes I feel this feeling this way
Speaker 2: I like to play I like to do something interesting
Speaker 2: maybe呃I think如果你一直做一个research如果你一直钻研一个东西
Speaker 2: 它你一直你一直你可能你一生都在做这个这个东西当然肯定这个东西是很难做的it's very difficult
Speaker 2: 嗯
Speaker 2: so呃sometimes it's quite boring because you don't have progress
Speaker 2: 呃if you want to do I think someone someone would like to do it
Speaker 2: but for me I don't like this [UNK] process
Speaker 2: I want to do something in interesting maybe
Speaker 2: 呃for me呃a master is is is a good choice because
Speaker 2: 呃after I graduate I can go to company I can do interesting projects maybe useful for
Speaker 2: the the the people and something else
Speaker 2: and the for for research I have to do these things for someone but you know
Speaker 2: after you can make progress on your research it is interesting it it is it it's not interesting sorry it maybe it's it's
Speaker 2: it's呃sense of achievement
Speaker 2: 嗯它会它会让你感到很开心你做了它有效果有成果你就感到很开心
Speaker 2: that's what I want
Speaker 2: 呃but you have to admit that sometimes it's boring
Speaker 2: is like you cannot you cannot make progress [UNK] sorry呃yeah
Speaker 2: 呃but but really呃for me I don't like work I don't like I don't like working
Speaker 2: I like playing sometimes
Speaker 2: I think for everyone but I I I have to work
Speaker 2: yeah that's that's my opinion
Speaker 1: so for for now I'm I feel so it's such a pity
Speaker 1: 因为我们没有办法以后
Speaker 1: 似乎we're pursuing the different career
Speaker 1: you prefer company I prefer university当然对于我来说可能university也很难
Speaker 1: 可能我只能prefer研究所
Speaker 1: 但是嗯怎么说呢就是我觉得如如果你是这么想
Speaker 1: 嗯maybe you you're more suitable for the company
Speaker 1: in company you will feel better
Speaker 1: 因为其实做research就在高校里面很大部分时间感觉is too boring yeah
Speaker 1: because my my uncle and my aunt are both professors in a university
Speaker 1: 所以他们实际上过的都是那种很boring的生活
Speaker 1: 对但是
Speaker 1: what I [UNK] pursue is that because I can have my own time I can do my own stuffs if I if I like
Speaker 2: 嗯I like go to maybe呃not I like I think the benefit of go to university to become faculty is
Speaker 2: 我我我们可以就是有更多的时间我们不会被公司压榨不会熬熬夜不会加班
Speaker 2: 呃it's and maybe you'll have a week to finish or maybe not a week maybe you'll have several months half a year several years to finish your project
Speaker 2: and you can arrange this time by yourself sometimes it's several weeks and months and you don't need to stay up late
Speaker 2: 嗯可能你只要呃好好安排好自己的时间周末你也可以和你的
Speaker 2: 家人一起去外面玩啊然后你只要
Speaker 2: maybe you work hard for several days and your project finish and you are free
Speaker 2: something like this this this is good but呃I like I like company呃for one thing is呃
Speaker 2: maybe you can do interesting project
Speaker 2: but another thing which is more important I can make more money
Speaker 2: after admit that yeah嗯
Speaker 2: for for university [UNK] faculty you can also do interesting project
Speaker 2: because you can cooperate with companies they have project you can you can do
Speaker 2: and you have power to arrange your students you can [UNK] your other students
Speaker 1: yeah but呃for me the only disadvantage is that we I cannot earn much money in the university
Speaker 1: in the mainland China but for in Hong Kong is okay
Speaker 1: the salary is the start of salary is very high
Speaker 1: 啊我要说什么来着
Speaker 1: I forgot what I want to say
Speaker 1: so呃shall we just stop here
Speaker 1: okay so let's pause
Speaker 1: okay
Speaker 10: 呃所以我们接下来可以聊聊关于education的问题
Speaker 9: 然后因为education是一个
Speaker 10: 一个一个topic带着所有的全世界都会用
Speaker 10: 这么关注的一个问题
Speaker 10: 嗯比如说
Speaker 10: 我们一个比较debatable的一个一个话题就是
Speaker 10: 嗯美国和中国的教育到底是
Speaker 10: 哪嗯哪个更哪种更好
Speaker 9: 然后
Speaker 9: 呃
Speaker 9: 我个人现在是比较prefer US education
Speaker 10: 呃并呃并呃并不是说Asian education不好但我是觉得
Speaker 9: 呃US education的话会比较
Speaker 10: 嗯motivate people就是给给大家更多freedom去做他们大家想要的事情可以
Speaker 9: 呃当然就是说他鼓励大家去be yourself instead of
Speaker 9: be someone
Speaker 9: they would like you to be
Speaker 9: 所以我是觉得这这种理念对于学生
Speaker 9: 对于孩子的成长非常重要
Speaker 9: 然后在Asian在我们亚洲的话呃
Speaker 9: 它的评价体系比较单一就是大家都是
Speaker 9: 呃就是呃look at score
Speaker 10: 就是都只看分数
Speaker 9: 所以我是觉得
Speaker 9: 呃对于
Speaker 10: 就这一点而言的话
Speaker 10: US [UNK] education is better
Speaker 9: 然后how about you
Speaker 10: okay
Speaker 10: 呃as for me我觉得
Speaker 10: 我很欣赏美国的教育体系
Speaker 10: 对因为本来我研究生是准备这个go to America
Speaker 10: 对apply for a for a school dream school
Speaker 10: 但是就是我们学校不是跟克莱有个项目所以说就直接过来读研了
Speaker 10: 对然后后来就是直接找工作了也没有去
Speaker 10: 美国但是因为我有很多同学都去美国读了
Speaker 10: 就感觉他们在美国是
Speaker 10: 的确能呃learn something
Speaker 10: 学到很多东西并且就是
Speaker 10: 也是比较先进的一些理念吧
Speaker 10: 对所以说我还是很欣赏美国的这种高等教育尤其是phd阶段的教育
Speaker 10: 对因为大家知道就是现在中国的高校要教授嘛招教授的话
Speaker 10: 都是要招美国的phd然后最好是这个
Speaker 10: 的QS前二十的
Speaker 10: 这种phd比较吃香
Speaker 10: 对但是
Speaker 10: 就是但是对我个人来说
Speaker 10: 就是如果我以后有了babies
Speaker 10: 所以我我觉得他这个基础教育阶段应该还是会想让他留在
Speaker 10: 这个China
Speaker 10: 就是因为呢
Speaker 10: 就是我感觉
Speaker 10: 就是我有同学是从美国一从高中出国之后
Speaker 10: 就一直在美国呆着
Speaker 10: 然后到最后研究生他读到博士一路这么读下来
Speaker 10: 就我感觉如果你不在这个就是不在呃
Speaker 10: 中国接受基础教育的话
Speaker 10: 可能就是我们的就是思维跟
Speaker 10: 中国人就不大一样了
Speaker 10: 对我就感觉就是这也许会更好但是我觉得
Speaker 10: 如果他能在
Speaker 10: 中国接受基础教育
Speaker 10: 就是basic education的话
Speaker 10: 他可能跟我们这种思维会比较接近比较好沟通一些
Speaker 10: 对and i think the
Speaker 10: the chance the the chance in China is
Speaker 10: much more than America
Speaker 10: because it's a very fast developed
Speaker 10: country
Speaker 10: 呃so uh i prefer
Speaker 10: my my children my next generation
Speaker 10: can have [UNK] education in啊China in mainland
Speaker 10: yeah但是我也觉得美国的教育是的确是很优很优秀的对
Speaker 10: 嗯我觉得还蛮蛮同意你的说法的
Speaker 9: 但是呃我我的
Speaker 9: 我的point是说
Speaker 10: 我认为在中
Speaker 10: 就是如果你不在中国接受那些elementary school啊basic education的话
Speaker 10: 那你就语文比较chinese就是说
Speaker 10: 因为美国它是一个建国时间很短的一个国家
Speaker 10: 像中国有一个非常非常long的history就
Speaker 9: 包括我们的很多我们很多我们自己的东西包括poems啊包括
Speaker 10: 呃那些history啊呃就是
Speaker 10: 我们的history啊包括那些three kingdoms啊我们有很多很多故事
Speaker 10: 然后有很多很多谚语
Speaker 10: 然后如果没有如果不接受中国的教育的话你可能很难去
Speaker 9: 去欣赏这些东西然后很难去明白
Speaker 10: 就是这些这个condition behind的这些
Speaker 10: 字面上的literal meaning
Speaker 9: 所以对我觉得如果没有这些的话我觉得就
Speaker 10: 就不是一个real chinese
Speaker 10: 就是你可能是一个a b c或者是
Speaker 10: 你会你you can you can speak chinese but you are not chinese
Speaker 10: 就这种感觉
Speaker 10: 就没法融入这个大家的生活环境
Speaker 10: 对对
Speaker 10: 接不了梗
Speaker 10: 对
Speaker 9: 这是一方面
Speaker 10: 对
Speaker 10: 我但我是觉得中国的这个就是
Speaker 9: 就整个的文化的积累和积淀还是很还是很重要的一个事情
Speaker 9: 就对于一个真正的中国人而言
Speaker 10: 呃so how do you feel to read phd in in ust
Speaker 10: 呃phd in ust
Speaker 9: 呃i think phd的话
Speaker 10: really especially in ust
Speaker 9: 它很取决于你who are you supervisor
Speaker 10: 因为因为ph因为ust的话它是偏美式的
Speaker 10: 那种风格
Speaker 9: 它不像是其他
Speaker 10: ctu他们都是偏英式就是说
Speaker 10: 他们有committee然后
Speaker 10: 呃有很多 [UNK] 都是committee做的
Speaker 9: 但是ust的话就是说
Speaker 9: 很多事情都取决于你的supervisor你的supervisor
Speaker 9: 对你有大影响理力包括你的整个的
Speaker 9: 读phd的过程然后包括你将来的
Speaker 9: 将来的那个
Speaker 9: 呃人脉或者是social social social的那个relationship这些都
Speaker 9: 都跟你的 [UNK] 发展有很大关系
Speaker 10: 所以我觉得
Speaker 9: 主要取决于你的老板是怎样子的
Speaker 9: 然后我觉得在我们组的话还不错因为我们我们我
Speaker 9: 虽然说我们我们呃我老板比较过去比较push
Speaker 9: 但是他现在但是他有一个好处就是他比较open
Speaker 10: 就是他可以去接受引进新的想法他鼓励你去做你自己想做的事情
Speaker 9: 只要as long as you have result to show to her
Speaker 9: 对我觉得
Speaker 9: 在我们组的这点还是比较open然后还有就是
Speaker 9: 我们组会比较international一点就不像有些组里面全部都是chinese students
Speaker 9: 然后对因为如果全全部是chinese students那那个文化就比较单一
Speaker 9: 像我们组的话因为有很多international school students的原因我们有印度尼西亚的有
Speaker 9: 呃有Korean的所以大家的culture background都不一样然后我们可以看到
Speaker 10: 呃就是
Speaker 10: 就有更多的topic就更多的知识可以互相分享因为我们来自不同的country
Speaker 9: 然后
Speaker 10: 还有一点就是
Speaker 9: 呃
Speaker 10: 这种所谓的freedom会比其他组更强一点就是会强调
Speaker 10: 呃就
Speaker 9: 就是来自导师的压力不会像那么大然后因为
Speaker 10: 有点像是depends on yourself然后不会说
Speaker 9: 呃这是你的工作方你的working lifestyle可以很自由你可以比如说早上很晚才来啊晚上很早就就走
Speaker 10: 你也可以白天不来也没有关系
Speaker 10: 你可以一个月都不出现也没关系的只要你有output
Speaker 9: 这是
Speaker 9: 我们老板不会很关心这一点第第二点就是
Speaker 9: 在这个internship方面的话他也是比较
Speaker 9: open的就是我们组如果你
Speaker 9: 如果你申请到了
Speaker 9: uh [UNK] the internship you can go as you like
Speaker 9: 不会说我们因为老板不放人而你就走不了这种情况
Speaker 10: 就
Speaker 9: 这种情况就是我室友当时我的roommate经常经常会有就有complaint to me就是说啊我们